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Joe Rogan Experience #2097 - Jeff Dye
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Hey, Jeff Dunn.
joe rogan
How you doing, fellas?
jeff dye
Thanks for having me, man.
joe rogan
My pleasure, brother.
jeff dye
I'm a big fan, so...
joe rogan
You were very funny last night.
unidentified
It was fun.
Oh, thanks.
jeff dye
It was fun to see it.
I was telling them before you got here that, like, it's very rare that I got a little nerves.
joe rogan
Yeah, that club's weird.
jeff dye
And so when I came out, I was like, yeah, this is a big deal.
It's been a while since I've had some nerves, and I was coming out there going, oh, it took me like about 30, 40 long seconds to really dial in and go, all right.
I was kind of having it out of my head going, Joe's watching, and I hope this goes well, you know, because it's such a beautiful club.
The bar's high.
joe rogan
Yeah.
jeff dye
Oh, that whole crowd's going, oh, we're going to see everybody, Tom Segura, Joe Rogan.
joe rogan
You follow Brian Simpson, too, who's really fucking on fire right now.
jeff dye
It was just very, very...
It was just cool.
It was cool to be in there.
You got a torch?
joe rogan
Yeah, there's one right there.
jeff dye
Oh, that's a torch too?
Look at you.
joe rogan
You got all the gadgets.
Shout out to Foundation Cigars.
They actually made us some Comedy Mothership logo cigars.
They're really good.
Is it out?
Yeah, here.
Try this one.
Sorry.
It might be almost out of juice.
jeff dye
Got it.
joe rogan
But, um...
Yeah, I get it.
I was nervous when I first did stand-up there, too.
jeff dye
Yeah, it's like that.
joe rogan
It was my first set there.
It was weird.
I was like, are we really doing this?
jeff dye
Yeah, it's in your dad.
Your daddy there.
joe rogan
We were talking about this for two years.
jeff dye
Yeah.
joe rogan
And then all of a sudden, we were doing it?
Like, we were all shitting our pants.
Every one of us backstage was like, fuck.
jeff dye
Yeah.
It's such a cool place.
joe rogan
But the thing is, like, we had been doing so much stand-up.
jeff dye
Yeah, yeah, your whole life.
joe rogan
To get weirded out by this one set for some reason.
jeff dye
It's special.
joe rogan
Yeah, it felt like the audience was like that too.
They felt a little weirded out too.
They were like, wow, this is real.
They got to be there at the very first show.
jeff dye
I used to feel like that at the store a bit.
I would literally crush at the Laugh Factory 25 minutes before I walked over to the comedy store and then I was like, I hope Adam sees this.
For whatever reason, the store has...
I think every comic has some sort of weird issues with the comedy store.
joe rogan
For sure.
jeff dye
All different things, but I don't know how or why.
joe rogan
Dude, when I was a kid, when I was 21, when I first started doing stand-up, people would talk about the Comedy Store like it was Mecca.
Like you had to make your pilgrimage.
This was where Richard Pryor came from.
This is where Sam Kinison came from.
It was Mecca.
jeff dye
Yeah.
joe rogan
And you only heard about...
You know, like, this is the spot.
There was no other one place you had to go.
Like, you could go to Catch.
You could go to Catch a Rising Star, which is in New York.
You could go, which is a great club.
You could go to the Improv and Melrose.
That was a great club.
It's all great.
unidentified
The store.
joe rogan
The store was Mecca.
jeff dye
Yeah.
joe rogan
And when you got past there...
Dude, I was already on a television show when I got past.
And when getting on a television show was cool, it was cool to be on TV. Like, wow, I can't believe I'm on TV. This is nuts.
But the real thing for me was when Mitzi passed me.
I was like, oh my god, I think I'm a real comedian.
I'm a real professional.
In the beginning, the few years, you feel like such a fraud.
jeff dye
Any stage time.
joe rogan
Yeah, you're learning it as you go.
You're not really sure if you're going to make it.
Some of your jokes suck.
Now and then, though, you get one that pops.
You're like, God, I need more of those.
I need more like that one.
jeff dye
That's why so many comics go edgy or dirty soon.
joe rogan
Of course.
jeff dye
Because they're like, at least a reaction's better than bombing.
joe rogan
Exactly.
jeff dye
I'd rather that than silence.
joe rogan
And there's always some subjects that just have built-in laughs.
There's some subjects that you pretty much can't fuck it up.
It's a topic that people like to laugh just at the top.
jeff dye
I feel like every comic when you start, tell me if you found this to be true.
Of course, they all start with the, I know what I look like, or I look like, that you hear that version of that.
Right.
Or they come up with some sort of song lyrics.
Because songs are poems.
joe rogan
Yeah.
jeff dye
And they're metaphors.
So for whatever reason, every comic is like, I was listening to this song the other day.
joe rogan
Yeah.
jeff dye
And the lyrics, you're like, yeah, because it's a metaphor.
And you're going to take the most literal route on this writing to make yourself sound smarter than the artist.
But it's like...
It's kind of like, trying to get to you and that monkey.
And you're like, he's trying to get to a monkey?
unidentified
And you're like, no, that's the radio edit of booty.
jeff dye
You know, they can't say trying to get to you and that pussy or booty or whatever.
The real lyric is a thing.
joe rogan
Well, it's just pop culture, too, right?
So you really, you're terrified to talk about something that people don't know about.
You don't want to have to explain something while you're, because then you have to get their full attention.
It's not an immediate, like if you wanted to bring up LeBron James, you say the name LeBron James, everybody knows who LeBron James is.
It's an instantaneous reference.
unidentified
Absolutely.
joe rogan
But if you want to talk about some weird sect of the Christian church that you grew up in, you're like, what?
jeff dye
What?
joe rogan
That's a fucking black belt joke.
jeff dye
You're not there yet.
joe rogan
You're not ready for an esoteric subject.
You're not ready for any weirdness.
jeff dye
I had a comic tell me the other night.
We did this corporate event.
I don't want to say his name, because, you know.
But he's just new.
That's all.
He's not guilty of being unfunny.
He's not guilty of being a bad guy.
He's just guilty of being new.
joe rogan
Yeah, like we all were.
jeff dye
And he goes, what do you think about this joke?
And it's this wildly insensitive joke about the Bible and Mary.
And it's a gross oversimplification, but it's also just latently disrespectful.
And that's okay.
You know, Louis wants to do that joke.
You want to do that joke.
Some people want to limp in on that subject.
You can do it.
And I go, you can't.
You know what I'm saying?
He's looking at me like, what do you mean I can't?
I go, no.
joe rogan
You're not ready for that.
jeff dye
Two months in, you're trying to tackle that?
It's not going to work.
joe rogan
You're doing an abortion joke in your first five minutes?
Settle down.
jeff dye
These people have no idea who you are, and you're like, it's not going to work.
joe rogan
Leave that to Bill Burr.
Leave the abortion joke to Bill Burr.
jeff dye
Maybe not month one, bud.
joe rogan
You don't have any idea what you sound like.
You don't have any idea how other people are perceiving you.
It's chaos up there.
It doesn't seem like it should be.
I feel like we understand it more than most people, which is why so many people think they can do it.
But even we kind of barely understand it.
Like, I understand how I do it, but there's a lot of guys, I see them like, I don't know what you're doing, but it's hilarious.
Harlan Williams.
jeff dye
I love Harlan.
Harlan Williams.
He's so silly.
joe rogan
He's so silly.
unidentified
Yeah.
joe rogan
When you watch him on stage, like, if you wrote that out.
jeff dye
Oh, yeah.
joe rogan
It would not make any sense.
jeff dye
Sir, can you please look away?
I'm trying to perform up here.
I'm fucking dying.
joe rogan
He was on Kill Tony and he brought a checkbook and started just writing checks to people for like a million dollars and it just became this running gag.
It was hilarious.
jeff dye
He had Jeff Ross roast a roast.
He pulled out a roast, and he put two little googly eyes on it, and he goes, I want you to roast this roast!
And that's only Harlan can do that.
joe rogan
Only Harlan.
jeff dye
If anyone else did that, I'd be like, get this dog shit out of here.
But Harlan Williams, it's perfectly his voice.
joe rogan
I've known that guy for probably 25, 26 years.
He's always been super cool.
No one hates Harlan Williams.
No one.
You will never meet anybody who doesn't like Harlan Williams.
jeff dye
He isn't like, but is exactly like Norm Macdonald, where he's got his own thing.
joe rogan
His own thing.
jeff dye
And they're both Canadian, and they're not similar, but they're both these unique, one-of-a-kind men.
joe rogan
Yeah, he doesn't vary.
unidentified
Yeah.
joe rogan
He's always that guy.
He's always like this super sweet guy.
That guy offstage, onstage.
Hey, fella!
What a great club!
jeff dye
You pumpkin pie haircut freak!
He improv'd that on the movie Dumb and Dumber to Jim Carrey.
And it stays in the script.
That's how...
joe rogan
Yeah, no, that's Harlan.
jeff dye
He's such a fun guy.
joe rogan
But, like, I don't know how he does it.
Imagine being Harlan's comedy coach.
Like, I don't know what to tell you.
jeff dye
Yeah, just do you, dude.
joe rogan
Yeah, I don't know how to tell you.
William Montgomery's another one.
Have you seen William?
He's a young guy from Austin.
He was in L.A. for a while, then he came out here.
His comedy is so...
I wish I could, like, do one of his bits, but I don't want to give up some of his material.
jeff dye
Oh, you got a kid that works at Mothership who I'm obsessed with.
And I don't know if he'll be a star.
I don't know.
I've never been able to predict any of this shit.
Which one?
If you'd have asked me if I'd have thought a lot of these people that became stars are stars.
I'm not a good read of this.
But I do know a brilliant comic when I see one, a Casey Rocket.
joe rogan
Oh yeah, he's very funny.
jeff dye
Well, here's the difference.
For me, here's the difference, is when you watch me, you go, oh, I know who Jeff's inspired by.
You know, he likes Patrice, he likes Norm, he likes these truth-tellers, and he loves The Simpsons.
And if you know that formula when you watch me, you go, that's what this guy liked.
That's what he watched, you know?
Um...
No one's doing what Casey Rockett's doing.
joe rogan
No.
jeff dye
So at least it's different enough that you, like, whether you love it or hate it, you go, I've never seen it before.
joe rogan
Well, even if you, well, first of all, you should appreciate that, but then also appreciate that whatever he's doing, it's funny right now, and he's gonna get better.
jeff dye
Yeah.
I love it.
joe rogan
It's gonna get even more better.
jeff dye
I watched him, and I don't know if you'll like me saying this, he didn't do too great on the show that I watched, and I'm in the back going, whatever that is, sign me up.
I'll watch that.
joe rogan
He varies, but he does well a lot.
He does well a lot.
He's got real potential.
He's a funny dude.
jeff dye
He did like six minutes on Jimmy Carter.
Kid's in his 20s, and he's doing Jimmy Carter jokes.
And I'm in the back on, no one's gonna...
Because, you know, it was like a bar show in Manhattan Beach, and they want some race hustling jokes or whatever.
joe rogan
Oh, yeah, if you're doing a bar show in Manhattan Beach, that's...
Boy, that's hit or miss.
jeff dye
It is hit or miss, yeah, for sure.
joe rogan
Boy, those are good for, like, just stress testing the vehicle, though.
jeff dye
And who cares?
If the joke doesn't work, you can, you know...
I watched you last night for...
Probably 30 minutes of the hour that you did.
It seems like you're having a lot of fun.
joe rogan
I'm having a lot of fun.
jeff dye
Is this new, or is this a...
I mean, I've seen you a bunch of times, but I mean, like, it's been a few years, I think, since I got to see you on stage.
And you seem like you're having so much fun.
joe rogan
I'm having a good time.
jeff dye
That's inspiring to watch.
joe rogan
Yeah, well, first of all, you know, I'm in a place where I can do whatever I want, so I'm doing as much stand-up as I want.
And I'm doing it specifically just to make the stand-up better.
Like, that's how I think about it.
All I'm doing is, like, I treat it like, well, what is the most important thing of it?
The most important thing is the show.
Like, try in some way to, like, always tweak it.
Always make it better.
Figure out what you're doing.
jeff dye
Add a thing.
joe rogan
And to have all this opportunity for stage time at the club, I basically set up a residency in my home city.
jeff dye
Yeah.
It's perfect.
It's pretty sweet.
It was fun to watch.
It's fun, dude.
joe rogan
It's fun.
jeff dye
I like seeing that more than I like seeing a lot of things in our business.
I love it.
I like comedy so much.
joe rogan
I do too.
jeff dye
I went on the road with this guy named Kermit Apeo from Washington State.
Yeah, a road dog and a really talented guy.
He won Seattle International Comedy Competition, which when I first started comedy, that was a huge deal to us up in Seattle.
And he brought me on the road.
I was terrible.
I was a terrible open-miker that got some laughs.
I was a king of the open-mikers in Seattle.
And so he brings me on the road to open for him.
And he goes, you know, the only reason I'm bringing you on the road is you make me like stand-up comedy again.
You're so excited about it, and the way you don't shut up about it, and you wanna tell jokes, and you wanna write jokes, or you tell me, like, hey, last night after that bit, have you thought about adding this?
And, like, you make me remember that I like it.
And I do feel like, and I've been doing comedy since 2005, I do feel a little bit of that, where I'm looking for someone to...
I loved being in that green room and hanging.
I love this.
I love the stand-up part, but that's really fun.
I don't want to just perform and go home.
I want it to be in the comedy.
joe rogan
Yeah.
jeff dye
I don't know.
I like that part of it.
joe rogan
Yeah, we feed off each other.
That's the reason why I created the club.
We were already performing out here.
We started performing out here in November of 2020, indoors.
And it was sketchy.
There was a feeling of sketchiness.
I remember we got really high one time, and I went on stage.
I was like, this is so not safe.
It's like the middle of COVID. And they have indoor shows packed.
The social distancing had sucked my dick.
There was no social distancing.
It was just packed.
Everybody was just going out like they were going out.
jeff dye
I love that.
joe rogan
How many of you guys have had COVID? Like fucking half the crowd already had it.
And we're fine.
Yeah, it was wild times, but what we needed was a home base.
And I was like, this place that we're at, the Vulcan, which is a really fun place to play, and a really fun place to see stand-up.
It's a real fun room.
But I wanted to do it where we had full control of it.
It was just comics.
We have a group of humans that are really good at an art form, and I say, what do you think we should do?
And everybody's suggestion got in there.
The reason why the ceiling is the height that it is, because I took Louie.
And Louie went and looked around, and he goes, can you lower the ceiling?
And I said, I think we can.
Can we lower the ceiling?
And I brought over the construction guys.
I'm like, what can we do?
And like, yeah, we can get it down three more feet.
He's like, get it down as low as you can get it.
We just wanted to make sure that we could see from the balcony.
That was the critical thing.
Like, make sure the ceiling didn't impede the view from the balcony.
So we got to right where it doesn't.
And then it really tightened the room up.
But he also told me...
Because comics like to hear that sound of echo, but that sucks.
It sucks for the sound.
You want the sound to be as clean as possible.
You should make everything almost like a sound studio.
Have you done the old Ice House?
jeff dye
Yeah, I love the old.
No one bombs there.
joe rogan
All that hardwood that pops.
The comedy pops there.
It's also great crowds out there, too.
But the structure of the building adds to the sound.
But you don't really necessarily want that.
You really want the actual laughs and everybody to hear everything you're saying.
Clearly.
jeff dye
Wait, do you think there was a problem with the ice house in the old way?
Like the way it was too easy and popped?
joe rogan
It wasn't a problem because it was a really small room.
But it would have been a problem in a slightly larger room.
It gets slightly larger and those echoes get weird.
They get weird in corners.
That's one of the things about the Vulcan.
I've had friends come to the show.
And they would go, we couldn't hear right where we were.
We had to move.
I go, what was the matter?
Everything was echoing.
I was like, oh, no, really?
So I guess there was like, you know how sound works and hard surfaces and corners.
If you're in like the back of, you know, a little corner area and sounds coming from a speaker pointed a specific direction, it's probably not set up for comedy is what I'm trying to say.
So we decided to just set it up.
From the jump.
jeff dye
It's great.
joe rogan
Like the best way we could, you know, the whole tunnel system, the whole, there's an elevator.
jeff dye
It's perfect.
It's literally, you've made, it's a masterpiece.
joe rogan
So when we opened it, it was nerve-wracking.
It was like, what are we doing?
jeff dye
Me and my buddy Brant, this was literally last weekend.
I think it was last weekend.
We're playing a club, and the club's great.
I don't want to name it because I'm about to say something that's not great about the acoustics.
But he gets on stage, he's crushing, and he's doing all these little bullshit savers, you know?
Like, well, that did better last week.
You know those little things you say after a joke does bad?
And the crowd's looking around going, what is he talking about?
So then he does another joke, and then he's like, alright, you guys don't like...
And he keeps narrating, but like, Brant, you're crushing, but I can't talk to him, he's on stage.
And so then I get on stage, and I'm like, fucking tough crowd, man.
What's going on here?
joe rogan
Oh, you can't hear them.
jeff dye
Couldn't hear.
I thought I was doing bad, and Brant's like, that was amazing.
And then Brant was doing amazing, and he thought he was doing bad up there.
So we came up with a cymbal for the next shows.
joe rogan
How far was the audience from you that you couldn't hear?
jeff dye
We heard laughs.
We heard laughs.
But we just don't, we're used to a sound as a comedian of what killing is.
So, you know, we get laughs on every sentence.
Doesn't mean you're killing.
And so we were just saying this.
So me and Brian came with like a code.
We're like, alright, this means don't worry about it.
You're doing good.
And if it is that the joke sucks or the bit sucks, we'll do this.
Like, hey, it's you.
It's you that is...
But you need to know, is it me or is it the crowd?
joe rogan
You got like a line coach.
jeff dye
Yeah.
But it's because that sound is so important.
If you think you're doing bad, and the crowd doesn't think you are, or vice versa, that's a problem.
joe rogan
Bro, did you watch any of the Zoom comedy people tried to do?
jeff dye
Joe, I was one of the Zoom people.
No!
I had to, dude.
I had to.
joe rogan
Hey, I would have done it.
jeff dye
I would have done it.
I had one corporate event that was like $10,000 corporate that was supposed to be in a theater.
And then they're like, well, we can't now because COVID. So I'm thinking, I just don't give that money or they're going to have to reschedule for another time.
And they go, but we can do it on Zoom.
And I was like, well, that's 10 grand.
And I would do it.
It was terrible.
joe rogan
So you did a corporate gig on Zoom.
jeff dye
Yes, and I couldn't hear them because their things aren't on.
It's a bunch of people.
joe rogan
Oh my god.
jeff dye
Dude, it was a nightmare, Joe.
Also, I gotta say it's really nice for me to be here because during COVID, I was like enemy number one in Los Angeles in a lot of ways.
joe rogan
Really?
jeff dye
I'd have people at my house.
I was like, I'm not doing this shit.
I was like the only guy who was actually putting on his story like, I'm not doing this.
I'd go to coffee shops.
I'd wear a mask when I'd be one of those guys.
I'd wear the mask in the store, but then I'm gonna drink my coffee.
I'm gonna drink it through a mask.
So there were comics who are now cool with me again, but at the time were like, can you believe Jeff Dye is just not taking this serious?
I wish I lived in a place like this or Florida or something during that lockdown.
joe rogan
Well, I kind of saw what was going on In the beginning, but I was hoping that we would come out of it and it really would just be a couple weeks and everything would be back to normal.
But when it got to a month and there was no talk at all about reopening, and then there was talk about it might be six months, it got real weird.
And then there was the George Floyd riots.
And then there was the lines outside the gun stores.
And I was like, okay, I see where this is going.
I'm getting the fuck out of here.
So I came out here in May of 2020. That's when I first started looking.
Found a house.
Moved in August.
So that quick.
In August of 2020, I'm like, see ya.
And it was in the middle of my Spotify deal.
The beginning, excuse me.
Not even the middle.
Spotify deal hadn't even started.
It started from out here.
jeff dye
It was weird.
joe rogan
They were like, what the fuck are you doing?
jeff dye
As from us, going, what do you mean he's moving?
Also, you're a weed guy.
We're going Texas?
He's going to go to Texas with the weed?
joe rogan
Well, apparently it's decriminalized here in Austin.
Praise Jesus.
Then I heard that Ken Paxton is trying to sue the city of Austin, who I've met is a very nice gentleman.
Ken, how dare you?
jeff dye
What's he suing it for?
joe rogan
I don't know.
I think it has something to do with the marijuana laws.
Listen...
Maybe it has something to do with something other politically, like they sue you for this so you refund the police.
I don't know how all that shit works, but there's a lot of weirdness when it comes to that.
Ken Paxson sues Texas cities, including Austin, for decriminalizing weed.
Dude.
jeff dye
But why, Ken?
joe rogan
This is stupid, Ken.
Don't get involved in this.
This is a dumb perspective.
The whole law is dumb, and it was based on fraud from the very beginning.
If you look at the history of why marijuana is illegal, it goes back to William Randolph Hearst and Harry Anslinger.
They conspired.
That's the reason why they made movies like Reefer Madness.
They wrote all these stories in the newspaper about marijuana and how marijuana was causing blacks and Mexicans to rape white ladies.
jeff dye
Which turned out not to be true.
joe rogan
They made this shit up.
Well, you know, you can find instances.
There's a lot of people.
But the point is that they made all this shit up just so they could stop hemp because they had come up with a new method of processing hemp fiber.
There was a new machine that was invented called a decorticator.
And the decorticator allowed them to economically effectively process hemp without using slave labor.
See, when they stopped using slaves and then when they started picking cotton, people moved from hemp to cotton.
But cotton sucks compared to hemp.
Hemp is a way better cloth.
It's way more durable.
It's like, my friend Todd says it's like an alien plant.
Because it is like an alien plant.
There's nothing like it.
You could use its fiber to make clothes.
It's the best clothes on earth.
Like the most durable, like I have a hemp jujitsu gi, that fucking thing never rips.
When I get caught in gis, these motherfuckers, like after like a few months of hard rolling, this thing start getting loose.
And they start ripping.
And you know, if you had a gi for a year or two years, it's probably got a ripper tuning in already.
The hemp keys don't rip.
You can take hemp paper, and you can barely tear it.
jeff dye
Really?
joe rogan
It's weird.
jeff dye
I've never known less about a subject than hemp or any of this stuff.
joe rogan
I got fascinated because my friend Todd McCormick had a hemp stalk on his table, his desk table.
And he goes, pick this up.
And I pick it up, and it feels like there's nothing there.
It's like styrofoam.
But it's hard, like oak.
jeff dye
Yeah, it's interesting.
joe rogan
It's a fucking weird plant.
You can make houses with it.
They use something called hempcrete.
And it's hemp and it's mixed together with some sort of a solvent or something that solidifies it.
And it's way more durable than wood.
jeff dye
A living house.
joe rogan
It's stronger than concrete.
It's crazy.
unidentified
It's wild.
joe rogan
It's a crazy plant, dude.
And the fact that it's illegal because it makes people happy and makes food taste better.
Shut the fuck up.
unidentified
Yeah, yeah, yeah.
jeff dye
Just shut the fuck up.
joe rogan
It's stupid.
It doesn't kill anybody.
Alcohol's killing people every day of the week.
They're dying of liver poisoning.
Everyone's dying of opiates.
Fentanyl's killing everybody.
Weed kills nobody.
I've always said the best way to get killed by weed is you take a 35-pound bag of it and drop it on your head from a CIA drug plane.
jeff dye
That's how people die from it.
joe rogan
That's how you die from weed.
Shut the fuck up.
jeff dye
I had a buddy who was flying, he was driving from Boston, Randy Valerio.
He was driving from Boston with marijuana products.
But it was medicine in Boston, you know?
And he's driving, he's moving to LA to live.
And as he's driving through Texas, he gets pulled over.
So it's legal in Boston, and it's legal in LA, and it's considered medicine in these two places.
But if he takes his medicine through Texas, Yeah, you can't.
Felony charges.
joe rogan
Yeah, it's Schedule 1. It's a real drug.
jeff dye
It's crazy.
joe rogan
Well, it's a dumb thing, man.
Like, this is not a dumb country.
We're super educated now.
We have amazing access to information.
This is not 1930. This is not a confusing time.
This is a time where we know exactly what things do.
Now, This is also important to say.
Some people should not smoke weed.
Some people should not eat weed.
Some people should not do any psychedelics at all.
Some people have mental health problems already.
Some people are prone to schizophrenia.
And I've seen people fucking snap from weed.
Really?
Yes!
I've not seen that.
I think it's important to talk about.
Look, it's just not me.
But I've seen people, like Alex Berenson wrote this book called Tell Your Children, and it's all about, there's like a certain percentage of people that take high dose THC that experience psychotic states.
There's this lady in LA who stabbed her boyfriend 108 times off one hit.
He gave her some crazy, super potent weed.
She went wacky, stabbed him 108 times, and the fucked up part is she only got two years probation.
jeff dye
Yeah, that's wild.
joe rogan
Two years probation.
jeff dye
That's a whole different problem.
That's a different problem.
That's a crazy problem.
joe rogan
We were just like, imagine if it was a dude.
jeff dye
Oh, God.
joe rogan
And his excuse was, I got high.
jeff dye
Hey, you're getting weed.
unidentified
I was high.
joe rogan
I had to stab her 108 times.
Like, what the fuck?
You're in jail forever.
jeff dye
Women complain about all these social issues, but you know where women crush us?
Courts?
joe rogan
Yeah.
jeff dye
Dude, in the courtroom, there's no bigger privilege than being a woman.
joe rogan
And by the way, no one, no one gives a fuck if your wife beats you up.
jeff dye
Oh, at all.
joe rogan
At all.
jeff dye
A baseball player in the 90s, Chuck Finley, got beat up by his wife, and he's like, I don't want to hit her back.
I'm a big guy, you know?
So he just called the cops.
unidentified
He just takes it.
jeff dye
Yeah, he took it.
He just called the cops.
But then if you read all the people commenting, like, oh, come on, dude.
You can't...
joe rogan
Yeah.
jeff dye
Just let her hit you, dude.
joe rogan
Just block.
unidentified
Yeah, block.
joe rogan
The problem is you should never be around anyone who wants to hit you, whether it's a friend or whether it's a girlfriend.
You should never be around a person that wants to strike you.
jeff dye
At all.
unidentified
At all.
joe rogan
That's just the rules.
It's like we all have...
We all sometimes are angry, but you don't express yourself that way.
unidentified
Right.
joe rogan
It's stupid.
jeff dye
You know my favorite Joe Rogan moment?
One of?
joe rogan
What?
jeff dye
Everybody references your podcast.
People reference the UFC. They reference your comedy.
On Fear Factor, when that guy...
You don't get to hit people to that girl.
joe rogan
Oh, yeah.
jeff dye
And then he tried to defend his wife's honor.
You go, no, no, no.
If you guys want to hit each other at home, you can do whatever you want.
But you don't get to hit people just because you're upset.
And then he tried to come to you, and you grabbed him.
And everyone realized real quick.
I mean, maybe at that time it wasn't public knowledge how trained you were at fighting and stuff.
joe rogan
All I did was grab his neck.
jeff dye
Yeah, but you shut it down quick.
No TV host has ever shut down a conflict that fast.
joe rogan
Well, that guy they'd warned me about.
jeff dye
Oh, really?
joe rogan
He had a history of violence, and he had done some violent things on some other reality shows.
jeff dye
Dude, it was amazing.
They were like, fire the security on the show.
Joe's got this.
joe rogan
There was no security.
That was part of the problem.
That was around maniacs.
jeff dye
That was a big show.
joe rogan
Yeah, yeah, yeah.
There was zero security.
There was zero security.
There was me and a bunch of random maniacs that were trying to eat bull dicks and jump off buildings.
jeff dye
We don't need security.
joe rogan
And some of them were super sketchy.
That guy was...
He maybe could have hit me.
He was thinking about hitting me.
When he got in his face, his body was so tense and he got so close to me.
The thing about, people have to realize about getting punched, this is very important to know, sucker punching works because your reaction time is far slower than action time.
Action time is very fast.
It's probably five to ten times faster than reaction time.
So if I go like that and I hit you, by the time you register that I've turned my shoulders and that my fist is heading in your direction, You're hit, and you're going to get knocked out.
You're going to be unready for it.
Your jaw's going to slide back.
Your head's going to snap sideways because you're not resisting it.
Your brain's going to wash around inside your head, and you're going out, unless you're a tank.
You're a big fucking Samoan dude.
unidentified
And then he's going to look at you and go, mate, what a fucking terrible thing you've done.
joe rogan
And then he's going to eat you.
jeff dye
Joe Rogan says, sucker punch.
That's what I got from that.
I got a sucker punch if I'm gonna win.
joe rogan
Well, just sucker punching is something that people do.
So if someone gets that close to you, even a trained fighter has to be prepared for a sucker punch.
jeff dye
Didn't it kill Houdini?
joe rogan
No, no, he got punched in the stomach.
He had a gag that he would do where he would let people punch him.
But I think there was something else wrong with him, too.
He was doing a lot of weird shit.
jeff dye
I know, I'm jumping around a lot.
joe rogan
Yeah, he had appendicitis.
jeff dye
Isn't that kind of funny?
We just get up there and do jokes.
But a magician will do a trick and then be like, also, someone come punch me!
That's not a magic trick.
That sounds like something a frat guy, like a big Samoan guy would say.
Someone punch me.
joe rogan
But there's like no magic to it that will really work.
Like if someone says, kick me, there is no magic that's gonna save you.
jeff dye
That's so silly.
joe rogan
There's no magic.
You can't tighten up your abs and let me kick you.
jeff dye
This is my magic trick.
joe rogan
You're gonna get really injured.
jeff dye
You think you punch good?
I'm a magician.
unidentified
That's so stupid.
Fabricadabra!
joe rogan
Francis Ngato will put liver punching you.
unidentified
Fabricadabra!
jeff dye
David Blaine will do that.
He'll do seven things that you're like, this guy's a witch or a warlock or something.
But then he'll be like, and now I'm going to live in a box above New York City for a month.
And you're like, don't do that.
That's not magic.
joe rogan
He made me stab him with an ice pick.
jeff dye
I stabbed his arm with an ice pick.
joe rogan
I went through his arm to the other side with an ice pick.
jeff dye
Yeah, I saw that.
He did that to Ricky Gervais or something, and Ricky Gervais is just like, why?
That's the best answer to most magic.
unidentified
Why?
joe rogan
This is the answer to the Houdini thing.
It says, on Friday morning, October 22nd, in his dressing room at the Princess Theatre in Montreal, he was punched hard in the stomach by an excitable McGill student, Jay Gordon Whitehead, who wanted to test the theory that Houdini was capable of withstanding hard blows to the abdomen.
A week later, Houdini was dead.
jeff dye
Excitable.
joe rogan
Is that really what killed him or was it appendicitis?
Did you say it was appendicitis, Jamie, that you read that?
jeff dye
Great headshot.
joe rogan
Maybe you can rupture someone's appendix with a punch.
jeff dye
Oh, so that's how it happened.
joe rogan
Which is the inflammation of the odominal wall.
His appendix was removed, but the poison from the ruptured appendix was already in his bloodstream.
jeff dye
Jeez.
joe rogan
Maybe, I mean, it makes sense.
I know guys lose their spleens from really bad accidents.
You can, you know, if your body gets damaged, they could remove your spleen.
It might be like it fucks your appendix up, too.
I mean, it makes sense if something's hitting it.
jeff dye
These UFC guys, I mean, the blows they take for this kind of stuff.
joe rogan
Dude.
You get too accustomed to it.
It's so normal for me to see guys fight.
It's weird.
It's real weird.
Like I'm super accustomed to it.
But it really is shocking.
jeff dye
It is.
joe rogan
If you just step back and watch like a real high-level fight, the impact.
jeff dye
It's terrifying.
unidentified
Shocking.
jeff dye
If it was dogs, it'd be illegal.
Like, you watch UFC fight, you go, you know, we couldn't do this, if this was dogs.
Like, I can't believe, I can't believe what, and there's people gathering around, people, I'm gamblers, you know, and you're just going, I don't think that this should be allowed, but they do it.
joe rogan
I know, it's wild.
When, every now and again, I mean, it always, I'm always aware of how dangerous it is for the fighters, and how wild it is to see, and But every now and then someone would get really injured.
And when I'm like, oh shit.
Like when Chris Weidman broke his leg.
I was like, oh shit.
Or when Anderson Silva broke his leg.
jeff dye
That's the one I'm thinking of.
He had that clean break on his shin.
joe rogan
They both had it.
This is the craziest thing.
It's only happened four times in the UFC. And two times have been with Chris Weidman.
jeff dye
Oh really?
Crazy!
I don't know who that guy is.
I don't watch a lot, but I saw the silver one and I go, eugh!
He was striking him and he broke his leg.
That's the one I saw a lot.
joe rogan
Weidman was UFC middleweight champion at the time.
That's Weidman, and he was defending his title against Anderson, who he beat in the first fight.
And then Anderson just threw that.
jeff dye
So gross.
joe rogan
Oh, so disgusting, dude.
And he had hurt it on a check earlier.
unidentified
Boom!
joe rogan
Yeah, it just gave out.
Chris said that he checked it earlier, and he thinks that it'd hurt.
Like, check means when Anderson throws a kick, you lift up your leg and you try to get it where his shin hits the top of your, like, right below your knee.
Because that's, like, indestructible.
jeff dye
Oh, okay.
joe rogan
So it's like, what's the weakest point?
The middle of your shin, if it hits that top area of the knee, that top area is not giving.
unidentified
Yeah.
joe rogan
Because it's also, it's like, you can take a shot like that pretty hard, but in the middle of the shin, you got all that crazy leverage, and down there where Anderson broke his, think of how thin that is compared to the bones at the top.
So something had to give.
It happens all the time.
Well, not all the time, but...
jeff dye
You see it?
joe rogan
It's happening a lot more now because so much stuff is filmed.
I've seen a dozen of them at least.
It does happen.
jeff dye
I used to work at this moving company.
It used to be super rare.
And, you know, when you work at a place like a moving company or like, you know, any of these kind of jobs where they just hire criminals.
People with criminal records are like, you want to make 20 bucks an hour?
Just load up this big rig with frozen groceries.
I've had a lot of those jobs when I was young because I didn't go to college.
You could tell me if this is real or not, but it's an unreliable source, but this guy's a guy who used to be in the Marine Corps, and they used to tell us, you know, you're gonna get punched.
You wanna get hit in the face, you wanna get hit right here.
And we always picked the face.
Does that make fight sense?
Or is this guy just trying to be cool at the warehouse?
joe rogan
I don't think he knows what the fuck he's talking about.
jeff dye
Okay, fair enough.
That's what I'm saying, these guys were like...
joe rogan
Yeah, I take it in the gut all day long over the face.
jeff dye
Really?
joe rogan
Yeah, but the thing about the face is it puts you out.
If someone's gonna just hit you, if you know you're gonna get hit and you get to choose where you get hit, you take it in the stomach and you prepare for it.
It's still gonna suck, but you could take a few.
If you get punched in the face by the right guy...
jeff dye
He told us that.
It blew our mind.
joe rogan
I don't think he knows what he's talking about.
jeff dye
I think he was trying to be a tough guy.
It depends.
joe rogan
If someone hits you in the liver, like if you get someone who's really good, you know?
Like Ryan Garcia, he's got this nasty liver punch.
Oh God, he hits people, they just blap!
You know, like Canelo Alvarez has a wicked liver punch.
When you have that shot, it's like a left hook that's kind of almost partially an uppercut.
You know, instead of coming, it's like a body left hook and they'll slam it right here.
Right here with the ribcages and the livers right below it.
Oh my goodness.
It's the worst feeling.
You get like electrocuted.
Your whole body shuts off.
jeff dye
It's so crazy.
unidentified
It's like a kill switch.
joe rogan
It is a kill switch.
It really is.
And some guys are masterful at hitting that kill switch.
jeff dye
You know the sad part about this is, Joe?
What?
What?
It's been 30 years, probably?
25 years I've been telling that story?
I heard if you had to pick between the face and the thing, you'd take the face.
No, no, no.
joe rogan
Don't let somebody punch in the face.
Yeah, you go unconscious.
You lose your vision.
Yeah, you want to be able to see.
You'll recover from a body shot.
You might not recover from getting punched in the face.
jeff dye
Yeah, there's a lot of buttons in your face.
joe rogan
Like, you've seen slap fighting.
They get slapped unconscious.
Just a slap.
And they're ready for it.
And they're like professional slappers.
jeff dye
Are you shocked that's a sport?
joe rogan
Yes!
jeff dye
That comes up on my Instagram things, and I'm going, what are we doing?
joe rogan
Yeah, and the UFC owns it, so I'm like, okay.
jeff dye
And there's like big guys that like, you know, they look like my neighbor, Rick, you know, who are just like, now they're pro athletes.
joe rogan
I do have to admit though, I watch those fucking clips.
I'm one of those idiots.
jeff dye
The pro athletes.
He's putting chalk on his hands.
joe rogan
He's got rubber bands.
jeff dye
He looks terrible.
joe rogan
He's training it.
jeff dye
He looks like he's at my dive bar, the chimney sweep, just going, all right.
joe rogan
One of the dudes, they were like, what are you going to do with the money?
I'm going to get my wife some new titties.
jeff dye
Yeah, that's a good answer, though.
What's the best answer you've heard?
joe rogan
That's the best answer.
jeff dye
You interview all these guys after that.
What's the best one?
joe rogan
What's your favorite?
I never ask what they're going to do with their money.
jeff dye
I know, but what's a thing you heard afterwards where you're like, oh, I like that kind of...
joe rogan
Oh, Derrick Lewis.
My balls was hot.
It has to be number one.
It has to be number one.
Derrick Lewis just beats this dude and then takes his pants off.
And he's standing in the octagon with no pants on.
And I'm interviewing him.
I'm like, Derrick, congratulations.
Why'd you take your pants off?
He goes, my balls was hot.
I go, I understand, sir.
Derrick Lewis, Derrick, why'd you take your pants off?
unidentified
My balls was hot.
joe rogan
I understand.
jeff dye
I understand.
We weren't ready for that one.
joe rogan
Jarek is the man.
I was ready for it.
jeff dye
It's so funny.
joe rogan
I mean, my job there is just kind of, you know, I'm not in any way a comedian when I'm interviewing fighters.
That's a completely different role.
I never try to make anything funny, ever.
My job there is just to get out of them the best expression that they can give.
jeff dye
They're the star.
joe rogan
That's it.
It's just me trying to get it out of them.
That's all it is.
Always.
So, like, I've never, like...
jamie vernon
Connors is pretty good, too.
joe rogan
Yeah.
Oh, Connors is amazing.
No, go for...
unidentified
Look what's next for me, Joe.
I'm gonna get that second bell.
Where the f*** is it?
jeff dye
Oh, yeah, I remember this.
I remember this, yeah.
And he was right.
unidentified
Oh, yeah.
joe rogan
I'm sure you'll get your second bell.
unidentified
But listen.
I've spent a lot of time, Joe.
Slating everybody in the company.
Backstage, I'm starting to fight off everybody.
I've ridiculed everyone on the roster.
I just want to say from the bottom of me heart, I'd like to take this chance to apologize to absolutely nobody.
jeff dye
Legendary.
There it is.
unidentified
That's pretty solid.
joe rogan
Yeah, because that was what he envisioned.
He envisioned him standing there with those two belts.
And he made it happen.
He really did it.
Like, there's something to that fucking Oprah horse shit.
jeff dye
No, it works.
joe rogan
Of like manifesting things.
unidentified
The universe, yeah.
joe rogan
The secret, you know, something to that.
There's something to it, but it's not guaranteed.
Yeah.
Oh, yeah, yeah.
jeff dye
But believing it works.
unidentified
Yeah.
joe rogan
There's something to it.
There's something weird to it.
jeff dye
You carry yourself in a different way.
Yeah, for sure.
I've noticed that just with getting off the bottle, just my comedy's gotten better.
Things like that.
But it's just me knowing, oh, I'm in my right mind now.
Yes.
I got something now to prove kind of thing.
Not to make Conor Greger about myself, but there is a thing about getting your shit together.
joe rogan
Yeah, seeing it and making it happen.
You know?
Like, there's something to that.
It's not, again, it's not guaranteed.
It's like it's a part of the equation.
This is what I like to think about.
It's not like you live in a land of only fate.
It's not like you can just make things happen with your mind and random things don't happen to people.
It's all those things.
Random things do happen to people.
Some people are more fortunate to people.
A lot of it is luck.
A lot of this whole thing is luck.
The energy you put out there in the world probably has an effect on the life that you live.
And if you really truly believe that you can do something and you go for it, People applaud it.
They love it.
They love to watch it.
They love to see it.
And when you make it, it gives everybody else hope that they can do it.
jeff dye
100%.
unidentified
That's the reason I like basketball, like Jordan.
jeff dye
We saw someone accomplish something and we go, hey, they did that thing.
What could be my thing?
joe rogan
Yeah, there's part of just seeing someone who is the best at anything or just extraordinary at anything.
It makes you realize that people can do wild shit, man.
And it might not be the people that you're around.
It might not be the people that you surround yourself with.
But just knowing that those other people are out there in the world, you know that there's a higher bar to set.
You could do it in whatever field you're doing.
You watch a Mike Tyson fight from the 1980s.
Just the idea that someone could be that guy was so crazy.
It made you think that you could get better at everything you do.
jeff dye
Well, and it's not like Tyson had some silver spoon.
joe rogan
The opposite.
jeff dye
Yeah, so you go, look at him.
Yeah, the opposite.
I'm sure you know everything about Tyson.
I'm not going to tell you anything you don't know, but I love they did that documentary where he's like, he's being so sweet about his coach, and he's going, I'm nothing.
I'm like a piece of shit, you know?
And they let me live in their house, and he's teaching me boxing, and they're being so nice to me, and these white people, and they're letting me sleep with them in the house, and they're feeding me, and I'm thinking, I'm going to rob these motherfuckers.
unidentified
His instinct was still like, they didn't lock the house up.
jeff dye
I just love his mentality.
They took a straight kid guarding pigeons from his buddies, and he could be that.
I'm never going to be a boxer, but I could go, maybe I could do something great.
joe rogan
Do you ever see the movie The Color of Money?
It's Tom Cruise and Mary Elizabeth Mastrantonio and she plays his girlfriend.
She's so fucking hot.
She's so young and hot.
It's with Paul Newman.
jeff dye
I hate watching movies that are older but with hot chicks.
joe rogan
Oh, she was so hot back then.
jeff dye
Because now I know that they're not alive no more.
joe rogan
I think she's still alive.
jeff dye
Well.
joe rogan
But anyway, point is she's an amazing actress too and she played his girlfriend and she was talking to Paul Newman and she had this chain around her neck.
And Paul Newman was like, where'd you get it?
And she's like, oh, it came from Vincent.
It was Vincent's mom.
It was Vincent's mom's.
And then he goes, did he give it to you?
She goes, no.
When I was with my ex-boyfriend, we stole it from his house.
So she was still wearing Tom Cruise's mom's chain that she stole from his house while they were dating.
jeff dye
It's insane.
joe rogan
But it was cool.
It was like, whoa.
Just to know there's vipers like that out there.
jeff dye
Yeah, we can all be the viper.
joe rogan
It's in us.
Tom Cruise plays this genius pool player that's probably autistic.
And this is the girlfriend.
The girlfriend is just like a total hustler.
Just controlling him, steering him, you know, completely in control of Vincent.
And if she leaves the room, he panics.
It's really wild.
jeff dye
I feel like I know some women like that.
unidentified
Oh, yeah.
joe rogan
They're the fun ones.
This is Mary Elizabeth Mastrantonio.
It's a great fucking movie.
jeff dye
You know, I watched, I'm gonna slaughter the name, but I was at Terry Bradshaw's house on Christmas and he likes these old movies.
So he puts in like, it's something like I'll see you in St. Louis or meet me in St. Louis or something.
It's an older movie.
And I'm there, I got like, you know, some cigars and we're just watching.
He falls asleep.
I'm watching this movie.
This kind of goes back to what I was saying.
I like to watch old films with beautiful women like that.
Because Judy Garland's on the screen, and she's just so pretty and sweet and nice.
I'm falling for Judy Garland in the movie.
Oh, she's beautiful.
I was like, I'm gonna look her up, you know, see what she's...
And I was like, I'm about 40 years late, and she's just going, oh, yeah.
But that's how dumb I am.
I'm getting a crush on a woman that's been gone for 30 years and also didn't age great.
joe rogan
Well, don't you ever imagine living life back then?
It's like living with children.
unidentified
Oh, for sure.
joe rogan
Like, people back then were like, culturally, they were like children.
But it's kind of sweet.
Yeah, kind of sweet.
jeff dye
I know it's a mushrooms idea.
I'm a big mushroom guy, but like, I always, I don't know how, when you do new mushrooms, When I do Mushrooms, I'm with my friends.
We're usually in the woods, camping or something.
I don't like to go to concerts.
I don't want to be on Mushrooms.
joe rogan
Too much randomness.
jeff dye
Yeah, I can't do that.
Noise.
I don't want to hear a guy I don't know well.
I want to be around some people I love.
I want to be around.
But I was thinking about like...
In the old days, we'd ride our horses, and we'd have a little picture of our lady back home, and we'd clean up the horses, and we'd make some food, and we'd whatever, and we'd go, I wonder what's going on out there?
What do you think's going on out there?
We might talk about it a little, call it a night.
We had our responsibilities, we had our little things.
You knew your girl, and you knew some girls in town, but you knew your woman that you loved and your family.
And then it's like, now I don't wonder what anyone's doing.
Can't even escape my ex-girlfriend's breakfast post.
We know there's got to be some happy medium.
Those guys knew nothing.
Kind of a sweet time.
joe rogan
Kind of a sweet time, but which one would you choose?
jeff dye
I'm only thinking I want that because I got now.
joe rogan
Yeah, it's nonsense.
It's like, what do you want to do?
Go back to being a chimp and throw shit at each other?
jeff dye
Maybe.
joe rogan
Because they were probably like, what are these people going to live in houses?
jeff dye
Yeah, but maybe.
joe rogan
You know, that was one of the things that Genghis Khan...
jeff dye
You'd crush it as a chimp, Joe.
unidentified
I don't know if you know that.
jeff dye
You'd get to be Joe Rogan of the chimps, I'm pretty sure.
joe rogan
When Genghis Khan, like, one of his titles was He Who Rules and All...
It was like something about felt houses.
So they had such disdain for people who lived in houses.
jeff dye
Look at them, fat cats with their houses.
joe rogan
Yeah, they all lived in tents.
They lived in felt tents.
So they never had houses.
They thought you were a pussy if you lived in a house.
jeff dye
Yeah, you're too protected.
joe rogan
Yeah.
And you think about how horrific the Mongol Empire was and what they did.
The Mongols killed somewhere around 50 to 70 million people during Genghis Khan's life.
They reduced the population of the planet by 10%.
They changed the carbon footprint, dude.
jeff dye
I think Hitler gets too much credit.
That's the one everyone knows.
Everyone wants to reference Hitler.
Nobody's talking about Napoleon or...
joe rogan
What about what Stalin did?
jeff dye
Mussolini or Stalin or even the Mongol...
Like, you know what I'm saying?
Like, those ones don't get enough kind of like...
You know, like...
joe rogan
I used to have a joke about it.
Like, that you could be a pirate for Halloween.
Like, you know how crazy it is?
Like, pirates are some of the most fucking evil creatures that ever existed.
jeff dye
They're the most famous rapists.
joe rogan
Yeah.
jeff dye
That's what...
You go, what do pirates do?
joe rogan
Yeah.
jeff dye
Rape and pillage.
joe rogan
Rape and murder.
jeff dye
Rape is the first thing...
joe rogan
Yeah.
jeff dye
You should be able to be...
joe rogan
It's synonymous with the title.
It's like priest child molester.
You think about it.
jeff dye
Don't cancel the white girl with the Indian headdress at Halloween.
You should be canceling the pirates.
joe rogan
That was not a fair comparison.
There's way more pirates raped than priests.
Probably all pirates raped.
jeff dye
Oh, for sure.
joe rogan
Priests that are pedophiles, it's probably only one out of a thousand.
What are you gonna do?
jeff dye
Romance them?
You're only in town for a couple days, Joe.
I gotta get this stuff, I gotta bang somebody, and I gotta get on the boat.
joe rogan
Yeah.
jeff dye
I don't have time to take her out to dinner.
joe rogan
Well, they just took over things and killed everybody.
That's what they did.
jeff dye
So do you think you'd prefer the old times?
No.
joe rogan
No, no, no, no, no, no, no, no.
I'm a realist.
The old times were horrific.
You died from everything.
jeff dye
You'd have been a man of that time.
joe rogan
Yeah, for as long as I lived, there's no way I'd be like this at 56. I would be already murdered.
unidentified
That's true.
jeff dye
Somebody would have.
joe rogan
Somebody would have got me.
I would have been zigging when I should have zagged.
I would have caught an arrow.
Somebody would have fucked me up.
jeff dye
You know why?
Because I'm a talker.
joe rogan
Yeah.
jeff dye
I wouldn't have been the fight challenge guy.
joe rogan
That doesn't always work, man.
Sometimes they just cut off one of your hands.
jeff dye
Oh, for sure.
There'd be some props.
joe rogan
After you talk too much, just cut off one of your hands.
Not even kill you yet.
jeff dye
Shut that guy up.
That's what they say.
joe rogan
Cut off your hand.
Just to let you know, like, bro, this is so serious.
jeff dye
Well, like when I watch the cowboy movies, right?
I really love cowboy stuff.
When I watch those, I don't identify with the lead cowboy.
I don't identify with the gunslinger.
You know what I identify with?
When they go into the saloon and the guy's like, boys, what do you have?
And he's like wiping down a glass.
What are you guys at?
Pour the whiskey for you guys?
And then when you guys start fucking shooting, I think I'd be that guy.
And they'd be like, I like Jeff's bar, you know, that he's got...
You want to swing by and see Jeff?
He's always got a little joke for you, and he's got the whiskey in the glass.
I identify with that guy, and that guy's life's not great.
joe rogan
No.
jeff dye
But I think I could do that.
I think I'd survive that way.
joe rogan
That's a good way to be.
That's the best job in Old West, is the bartender guy.
As long as nobody breaks a bottle over your head.
jeff dye
I got no problems with anybody.
You guys start fine and go, hey, I'll clean it up when you guys leave.
joe rogan
Your problem being a bartender in the old west is you're a little too fucking handsome.
jeff dye
Would that affect me?
joe rogan
That would be an issue.
Yeah, the girls would be talking to you and then the guys would want to kill you.
jeff dye
Did you ever work the road road?
I don't know much about your comedy career before you were very successful.
joe rogan
Yeah, I did the road.
jeff dye
So I have a joke that I put in my act whenever I'm in a small town.
It's just in Norfolk.
And I was like, I'm looking for a Norfolk experience.
You guys know what it's like.
A beautiful girl will flirt with me.
Her big boyfriend will beat the shit out of me.
And then I'll get out of here.
That's every small town.
That's how it works.
Some girl, she's hot, but she's got tattoos and a zanny problem.
And then some girl's like, you were talking.
I was like, she's talking to me.
So maybe that would happen.
joe rogan
Well, there's girls that likes to stick their pitbulls on men.
That's what it is.
jeff dye
One of those chicks.
joe rogan
And they have a boyfriend who's a pitbull.
jeff dye
Yeah.
joe rogan
And they get excited by their man.
Fight for me.
Dude, that's real.
Yeah.
Those girls get you into trouble.
jeff dye
There was a girl that, the best sexual chemistry I've ever had with a woman.
And I hate cliches.
I told you this last night.
I don't like anything I've heard before.
So you know the old stupid, like, the crazy ones are the best sexually.
I mean, you know.
joe rogan
That's cliche sucks.
jeff dye
I know.
There's nice girls that are freaks.
They're really good at that.
Yeah, exactly.
So, but this girl, I hate to say it, you know, she was easily the best sexual chemistry ever.
But she broke into my house.
And she, you know, and she also would climb the gate in, like, a Vegas dress.
You know, I mean, she was the best sexually, but, like, she was a psycho.
joe rogan
Yeah.
jeff dye
A crazy person.
joe rogan
My friend Tony says that, uh, exotic and neurotic.
Are closely related.
Or not, you know, psychotic rather.
Psychotic and...
Jesus Christ.
What happened to my voice?
Psychotic and erotic, right?
They're completely interconnected.
jeff dye
They flirt with that line, yeah, yeah.
joe rogan
They're in there together.
Tony Zara, shout out to Tony.
Yeah, I'm like, he's dead right.
There's something about the energy that someone would have that's so unique and so aggressive sexually, like some girl who's just behaving like a complete nympho, psycho, and you're like, oh my god, this is wild.
jeff dye
And when you're a young guy- Wild is sexy, yeah, yeah.
joe rogan
You're free.
I can't believe this is how...
But you don't have good preservation instincts because you wouldn't be friends with a guy like that.
unidentified
Right.
joe rogan
That's a crazy person.
jeff dye
Yeah, but we talked about it.
We like crazy people.
joe rogan
Yeah.
jeff dye
They're fun.
joe rogan
They're fun.
Crazy people are fun.
A lot of my friends are legitimately crazy.
jeff dye
It's a problem, but it's fun.
joe rogan
Yeah.
It makes things, it's like, how much can you control the crazy?
It's like, do you have a Ferrari?
Yeah.
That Ferrari has 700 horsepower.
Do you know how to drive that?
Like, how much can you control that crazy?
Because occasionally you're going to fucking spin out around the corners.
jeff dye
One of my best friends is a crazy person who, I love him, but he, you know, I can't tell you how often there's some situation where I go, hey, bud.
joe rogan
Right.
jeff dye
You know, we can't do that again at a comedy club, you know?
Yes.
But he is the guy that I promise you, probably my only friend, who if I went to his house and goes, hey, something bad happened.
We got to get rid of this body.
He would just be like, all right, let's do this.
And I mean, he really would.
And that's scary a little.
joe rogan
Yeah, it is.
But that's the kind of humans you want.
Because all these rules that we have are all just created by humans.
We've agreed to them as if they're unbreakable doctrine.
Listen to me and listen very carefully.
If the power goes out for too long.
All those rules are bullshit, and that guy who will bury a body for you is the kind of person you want on your team.
jeff dye
100%.
Also, if the power goes out, I'm probably gonna show up to your place.
joe rogan
I got a spot for you.
jeff dye
Be in the gym.
joe rogan
Yeah.
jeff dye
Go, can I just be in your gym?
joe rogan
I've thought about literally setting up a ranch out here, just specifically for if things go sideways.
jeff dye
I think you're pretty set up.
This place is safe.
joe rogan
It's not that safe.
Dude, if things go sideways, it's not safe anywhere.
We have to understand that this society that we have that stays civil and beautiful and equitable and we have all this change that's happening in the world, this is only possible if you can get goods and services to people and if people have access to information.
It is not hard to shut that off.
If the power went out in this country, if someone attacked the grid and just destroyed our power grid and destroyed our satellites, if there was a coordinated effort by multiple superpowers to just destroy our satellites, destroy our grid, we would be in chaos quickly.
jeff dye
Pretty fast, yeah, yeah.
joe rogan
Quickly.
Very quickly.
And then, if it lasts too long and there's some sort of a hostile military takeover of the country...
You're living in a totally different world than the one you live in now.
Now you live in China, and you never thought that was possible.
You thought that, you know, you would be able to just exist here and demand universal basic income, and you would have all these ideas in your head about the border wall is racist, and this and that.
And then all of a sudden, you live in a world that's unrecognizable.
And that's just an example of what could happen if someone acts, if a human being does something which is very similar to what other human beings are doing right now all over the world.
What's happening right now in Ukraine, what's happening right now in Israel, that is human beings launching bombs at people they've never met.
That's happening for sure.
The idea that that is not gonna happen here is just stupid.
It's stupid.
If you're living in Gaza right now, Think about that reality.
Think about the reality of where you used to sleep at night is now rubble.
Everything around it is rubble.
If you're lucky, and you can see that because you're alive.
jeff dye
Yeah, but some women have to deal with cat calling, Joe.
joe rogan
Listen, it's always good to move forward.
Like, it's always good to call out bullshit, but at a certain point in time, you need perspective.
You know?
Don't clean your bathroom while your fucking house is on fire.
You know?
Figure out what the fuck we need to do to make sure we don't blow ourselves up.
And that's just if humans act.
The real thing is stuff from somewhere else.
The real thing is asteroids.
That's the real one, kids.
If you look at the moon, that's us.
The moon is pelted, pelted by asteroids.
There's craters everywhere.
You look at every other planet that we could see, they all get hit.
You look at the surface of our planet, There's craters everywhere.
Everywhere.
This fucking place gets hit a lot.
unidentified
I don't like to think about space for those reasons.
joe rogan
Nobody likes to think about it.
jeff dye
Well, because I can't control anything but me, right?
And so if I can't even control the people in my...
You know, the governor.
Can't even control that guy.
Space just seems so big.
Going like, oh, an astronaut.
What are you going to do?
What's the plan for an asteroid?
joe rogan
There's no plan right now.
I think they've got some theories of how to do something, but last time I spoke to someone who's an expert on the subject, he said it was about 10 years away from them being able to actually Successfully divert asteroids.
And then also, you've got to spot them all.
Some of them are coming from behind the sun, and apparently the way the gravity of the sun works, because it's so massive, it distorts the view of things that are coming from behind it.
jeff dye
Yeah, the asteroid goes, how about a sucker punch?
You know, just a little sucker punch to Earth.
They won't be ready.
joe rogan
That's what it is.
That's what it is.
Bro, have you ever looked at the size of our sun in comparison to Earth?
jeff dye
Yeah.
joe rogan
And then looked at other suns in comparison to our sun, the biggest suns that are out there.
jeff dye
I didn't know there was other suns.
That's where I'm at, educationally.
I didn't even know there was other suns.
joe rogan
Well, stars.
Other stars.
Stars are suns, basically.
But the really big ones are bigger in proportion to when you see Earth and the sun.
When they see the sun and it, they're bigger than that.
These things are so big.
jeff dye
I hate Neil deGrasse Tyson or whatever that guy's name is.
I hate you.
You suck.
In my opinion, I think you're a bozo.
But he did say a really interesting thing once where he was talking about aliens.
It might have been to you.
joe rogan
Why do you hate them?
jeff dye
Uh...
Well, he said this thing, I'll get to that in a second.
He said, he goes, he's talking about life on other planets, and he goes, saying that there isn't life, you know, other than us, is like taking a thimble of ocean water and going, look, there's no whales.
There's no whales in here.
And it's really like, that's a great analogy.
Like, of course there's life out there.
joe rogan
Yeah, most likely there's life.
So this is just showing the relative sizes.
jeff dye
Oh my gosh.
joe rogan
So you go all the way from Earth to the Sun, and now Sirius A, and then look at this one.
Look at Polux.
And look at this one, Arcturus.
Now look how much bigger they are than the Earth.
Look at this one.
Look at that one.
Aldura.
jeff dye
Where's this guy?
joe rogan
No, no, no, no, no, no.
Wait.
Just wait.
Look at this motherfucker.
jeff dye
What's that?
unidentified
Is that God?
joe rogan
That's a blue hypergiant star called Pistol Star.
jeff dye
One's just called God.
joe rogan
Bro, no, look.
It keeps going, dude.
unidentified
What is this one?
joe rogan
No, these are the stars.
This is how crazy the universe is.
Look at that one.
Stevenson.
No, no, no, no.
We're not done.
Look at the size.
jeff dye
No, no, no, no.
unidentified
Bro, look at the size of a black hole.
joe rogan
Supermassive black hole.
Look at the size of this one.
jeff dye
This is blowing my mind.
joe rogan
Bro, there's black holes out there that are the size of galaxies.
jeff dye
Joe, if we were on mushrooms right now, I would be quiet for about four minutes after this, just going, okay, can you give me four minutes to just look at your roof for a second?
For sure.
That's insane.
joe rogan
Dude.
Look at the size of these galaxies, too.
220 light-years across.
1,862 light-years across.
Look at this one.
54,000 light-years across.
There's us.
105. Milky Way.
Do you ever been to a place where you can really see the stars at night?
jeff dye
Yeah, that's one of my favorite things about being like...
joe rogan
Camping?
jeff dye
Camping out in the...
Just how dark and beautiful it is.
It's really beautiful.
joe rogan
It's wild, right?
When you go, that's up there all the time?
jeff dye
Do you think aliens...
Do you think aliens are looking at us going...
This guy's, he's all losing his mind over a slam dunk.
You know, he's going like, they're all, everyone on this planet is going, that guy slam dunks the best.
When you look at the world like, the universe like that, and you go, all these earthlings are wearing the same shirt as that guy that dunks the best.
Not the guy that survives the best, not the guy that can feed the most or is the most noble.
We're all losing our mind about the guy that made the most three-pointers.
joe rogan
Well, I think it all has to do with war.
That's what I think.
jeff dye
How so?
joe rogan
I think the desire to be good at competitive athletics The roots of it are all in war.
It all started in war.
That's what I think.
And I think that that instinct to dominate and to get better at one-on-one competition or team competition all started from tactics and strategies in war.
And that desire, that human reward system is still in our heads.
And we know that we don't want to do that anymore.
So we have to find other ways of doing it.
jeff dye
A little game.
joe rogan
Yeah.
So I think the aliens would realize, like, oh, their human reward system got hijacked for something that doesn't even matter.
Right.
Like, I play pool, right?
I love pool.
And when I play it, it's like, if you watch it, it's like, why do you give a fuck if the ball goes in the hole?
jeff dye
Well, it's the goal.
joe rogan
That's so stupid.
Right.
But it's...
This coordinated mind effort thing that ignites that part of the brain that wants you to be good at war.
That's why we love competition.
It's like a built-in reward system in our mind.
And then also, if we're a society that's constantly looking to innovate, we're constantly looking for people that are Pushing the boundaries of whatever they do, whether it's music, whatever they do, comedy, pushing the boundary, like someone who's at the front of the line just out there chasing it, because that sort of applies to society as a whole.
So if someone's doing that in a very public sphere, like playing in the NFL, it excites the energy of the people to do more things.
I think it's like a tribal reward system that's in our head, too.
jeff dye
Like a little mini...
joe rogan
Yeah.
So I think the aliens would recognize that.
jeff dye
I hope.
joe rogan
I think they would say this is probably a normal progression of, you know, territorial apes, then territorial apes with nuclear weapons, and then territorial apes that eventually evolve and then go out into the stars.
That's probably, it's probably how it always has to happen.
jeff dye
Neither one of them died, and that one's better.
joe rogan
Because I don't think with competition, I don't think you ever get the kind of innovation that you have today.
Or that you've probably had in the past.
I don't think you build the pyramids without competition.
There's something about that aspect of the human spirit that we want to compete, we want to win.
That fuels us in a way that people are embarrassed by, I think, sometimes.
It's one of the things they hate about Trump.
We're winning.
We're always gonna win.
We're winners.
jeff dye
They're losers.
I like that about him.
They're all losers.
If you read his book, I don't read any books.
I listen to books.
joe rogan
Yeah, I listen to books mostly.
jeff dye
I listen to about 10,000 books a year.
That's what I'm doing.
Joe, I'm reading...
Ten books a day.
joe rogan
I heard there's another guy who does that, too.
jeff dye
Oh, yeah?
Kindred spirit to me.
So I listen to one book probably every week and a half.
Because Audible, you can crank them out.
I'll be playing video games or driving or on an airplane or something.
So I just listen to a lot of books.
And I'm trying to think why I brought that up.
What were you saying before the book?
joe rogan
Trump winning.
jeff dye
Oh, yeah, Trump's book.
Thank you, Jim.
joe rogan
The Art of the Deal.
jeff dye
He's always talked like that.
Even before he was a president.
So if you know that that's just kind of how he is, you'd have totally understood that that's how real estate guys talk.
My building's the best and it's the biggest.
They go, it's not the biggest.
They go, it's the best hotel.
That's how he is.
So once you know that it isn't like...
He's lying or anything.
That's how the man is.
joe rogan
Also, he comes from a different era.
And by the way, he was celebrated forever.
jeff dye
Forever.
joe rogan
And then they turned him into a monster for the presidential campaign.
Before that, oh, he turned himself into a monster.
Initially.
Because he was claiming that Obama was from Kenya.
jeff dye
That was a tough hill to die on, too.
joe rogan
Here's my take.
Who gives a fuck what patch of dirt you're born on?
Are we trying to pretend that he was some embedded...
jeff dye
It was a strange one, that one.
joe rogan
Yeah, was he like an embedded enemy operative that was going to ruin the country?
jeff dye
Because I'm not an Obama guy by any means, but I remember being like, I don't care where it is.
joe rogan
It's a weird thing to care about.
Like, why do you care?
Especially Obama.
I mean, Trump was a lifelong Democrat.
Like, most of his life he was a Democrat.
Which is a weird thing to care that this one guy who's...
Listen, put policy aside.
I've said this a thousand times, I'll say it again.
That's the best president we've ever had.
He's the best representation of what we would hope we would want the world to see of America.
Very highly educated, well-spoken, even-keeled, emotionally balanced, brilliant man.
Not too black!
But also pulled himself up from hard times, single mother, very likable, very charismatic.
So all those things...
And you care what patch of dirt he was born on.
You should really care.
What are the policies?
What's good?
What's bad?
What's good for business?
What's bad for business?
What's good for the world order, the economy?
What's good for international relations?
That's what you should be king of!
Why do you care about what he's born?
jeff dye
And that's the adverse problem with Trump, is that nobody's looking at the policies.
They're just going unlikable, talks from the hip.
And so it's the reverse problem.
We have a guy who I think...
I like Trump for being America first, and I like that he's honest and unapologetic about the way he talks about other people.
Like, if you don't like a guy, you don't like a guy.
But he's so unlikable that that's what works against him.
joe rogan
The media also, you've got to realize that for all these years, all these years, they were pushing this...
Bullshit about this Russia collusion.
They were talking about the Steele dossier, this fake thing that the Clinton campaign funded.
They were doing all these things to demonize him.
At the same time, they were lying about the Hunter Biden laptop.
It's just you got spoon-fed some bullshit, unfortunately.
And on top of that, he's an easy guy to hate.
So it's both of those things.
jeff dye
He doesn't try to be.
He never played the game.
joe rogan
Yeah, he's definitely got some stretches of the truth.
jeff dye
You know if I was Joe Rogan, you know who I try to hang out with all the time is?
joe rogan
Who?
jeff dye
George W. Bush.
joe rogan
Oh, right.
jeff dye
I think he'd be a cool guy to hang out with.
joe rogan
He might be depressed.
He might be just painting, thinking about all those people that died.
unidentified
Yes, exactly.
jeff dye
I like to think that he's playing catch.
joe rogan
Thinking about a million dead Iraqis.
That's one of those ones, dude.
If I was president while the Iraq was responsible for that, and I was still alive, I'd be like, check please.
I don't want this fucking vibe on me.
There's no way you're having good days.
If you're a conscionable person, look, we know that weapons of mass destruction shit was bullshit.
We know it now.
It's universally accepted.
That's why that war was started.
jeff dye
For sure.
And Obama, I mean, he's got a lot of deaths on his...
joe rogan
A lot of drones.
jeff dye
Yeah, a lot of drones.
A different type of...
Ramped up that fucking sky robot.
He went for the record.
joe rogan
The sky robots with missiles are the scariest, dude.
jeff dye
I know.
Every Sam Tripoli tweet that I see is of, you know, some robot chasing a soldier and then touching the soldier and blowing.
joe rogan
You imagine in Yemen...
jeff dye
Like a video game.
joe rogan
Imagine being in Yemen and you're on your way to a wedding.
And there's a whole line of you driving towards this wedding, and you're like, what are the odds we get nuked from the sky?
jeff dye
Pretty good.
joe rogan
Pretty good odds.
jeff dye
That's gotta be scary.
joe rogan
To be in a line of cars headed somewhere in Yemen.
jeff dye
I just meant George W. seems cool, you know, with the baseball and the cigars and the beers.
joe rogan
Yeah, yeah, yeah.
jeff dye
I don't want to think about that part of it.
joe rogan
Your cousin's a terrorist, and he happens to be in the third car back.
unidentified
Can't do that.
joe rogan
He's just here for the wedding.
jeff dye
Yeah.
joe rogan
Don't let the cousin come!
He's got metadata!
jeff dye
You should stay home, Andre.
joe rogan
You know, because that's what they did with some of those drone attacks.
They attack metadata.
unidentified
I know.
jeff dye
I don't know what metadata is.
joe rogan
This is what it is.
So if you are texting from a cell phone, if you're calling from a cell phone, they can locate that cell phone.
They can triangulate the area where that cell phone is.
There's been times where they just send a missile to that cell phone.
unidentified
To that cell phone.
jeff dye
Oh my god.
He's in a cafe?
joe rogan
You could be, that cell phone, your baby could be sitting in the crib playing a game on your phone.
Like legitimately.
And the number of people that are Just innocent civilians versus the number of targets that get killed by drones is off the charts.
jeff dye
You don't even know what your dad does for a living.
You don't even know how he's making money.
joe rogan
You're a baby.
You're like watching a YouTube video.
jeff dye
Oh my gosh.
joe rogan
You get hit with a missile.
jeff dye
This is why America's great, is that...
I don't, you know, we have the luxury of, at least I do, I have the luxury of not thinking about that all day.
joe rogan
Yeah, you know the people that think about it are the drone operators.
They go through a very bizarre state of PTSD, apparently.
See if you can find anything on that, because I was reading something about that, like that's a weird PTSD that the drone operators get.
jeff dye
To be separated from it?
It's like playing Call of Duty all day, but you're really killing people?
joe rogan
Yeah, people are really done.
You're watching it on a screen.
jeff dye
I don't think he would want me to say his name.
I won't say his name.
But he was like, I met this guy for...
I'm pretty good at making friends pretty quick.
I'm just chatting him up at the bar in San Diego.
Military guy.
He's all jacked.
He just seems like a cool guy.
He's like, oh, I know your comedy, man.
You're friends with Josh and blah, blah, blah.
So I just chop it up with him.
I'm probably talking to this guy for minimum five minutes.
And I go, what do you do, man?
He's like, oh, I'm in the military.
And I was like, you know, San Diego.
So I go, oh, thanks for your service.
I do the whole thing.
I go, you want to see?
I was like, yeah, I didn't think anything of it.
He pulls up on his phone a drone attack that he did, and it looks like a video game.
That's the only context I have of what a video game would look like.
And there's a guy here, a guy here, a guy here, and he gets the one guy.
The two guys run away, and then a dog was right next to that guy.
The dog's fine, too.
And he was gone.
See that?
Got that guy, and...
Even the dog lived.
And those two guys next to him, I got him.
But I've never seen anything like this in my life.
And I look at this guy and I go, wait, wait, that guy's dead now.
He goes, yeah, that was, I did that.
Like, literally, like, last week.
And he's showing it to me on his phone.
He's got, like, a saved file to a stranger that he met five minutes ago.
joe rogan
I don't think that's legal.
unidentified
Really?
joe rogan
I bet that footage is, like, highly classified.
jeff dye
Really?
joe rogan
Yeah, I bet you can get really fucked up.
jeff dye
Well, it's good I didn't say his name, huh?
jamie vernon
The conclusion of a study on it done in 2021, and right here it says, uh, because if they admit psychological issues, they're gonna probably- they could lose their job.
unidentified
Oh.
jamie vernon
So there's not a lot of known- It's like the concussion thing in the NFL. Yeah, like they're saying in this whole study, they know there is something here, but because it's really hard to study and it's all secret.
joe rogan
I mean, I think it has to be a thing.
There's no way you could be able to launch missiles out of a robot in the sky and accidentally kill 80% civilians.
jeff dye
And feel nothing, yeah.
joe rogan
Yeah.
What is the actual numbers of civilians killed in drone strikes?
I know we've done this before, but I can never remember.
But it's kind of nuts.
It's not like it's 50-50.
jeff dye
Yeah, yeah.
Yeah, that'd be great.
joe rogan
50-50 is like negotiable.
jeff dye
About half, you know?
joe rogan
You know, the guy's a really bad guy.
He's gonna kill a million people with a nuclear bomb.
We could bomb his apartment building and kill a few unfortunate folks that happen to be in the vicinity, but we have to get them.
jeff dye
That's why it's good to be a comedian.
joe rogan
Oh my god.
jeff dye
The decisions I have to make.
joe rogan
So much better.
jeff dye
Yeah.
joe rogan
It's so much better.
jeff dye
But also just the thinking about, you know, because the guy that I'm referencing, he didn't make those decisions.
He's been trained to do that.
Someone else has to make that decision.
joe rogan
I just don't think he's supposed to show people that video.
I don't think you're even supposed to have that video.
jeff dye
I haven't shut the fuck up about it since it happened.
That was like four years ago, five years ago.
I was gone.
I just couldn't believe it.
joe rogan
It's what?
It's fucking nuts.
Yeah, there's so many of those videos now.
You can see so much war footage now.
jeff dye
How do you see all this stuff?
I remember a long time ago, they showed you two girls, one cup.
joe rogan
I thought it was Red Band, yeah.
jeff dye
But your reaction was like, man, this is nothing.
I've seen...
And then what you referenced, we all, as fans, go, what is he talking about?
And then we find that stuff, we're going, holy shit.
joe rogan
Yeah.
jeff dye
But what is the...
I don't even know what the dark web is.
joe rogan
Well, you don't have to go...
I don't do that.
Oh.
Just on Instagram alone.
Now?
Yeah, Instagram's bananas now.
jeff dye
But back then, you knew where stuff was.
joe rogan
Okay, hold on a second.
U.S. airstrikes killed at least 22,000 civilians since 9-11.
So that's the number of people that were killed.
But what's the percentage?
Because there was a crazy percentage of casualties that were not...
You know, they're just civilians.
jeff dye
Oh, no!
joe rogan
Right, but I'm saying, what is the percentage?
There was a percentage number.
Something nuts, like over 80% civilian deaths.
jeff dye
You'd think it'd be like 400, right?
You go, oops, 400. Not, oops, 22,000.
joe rogan
The death this year was during Trump, 2017, when at least 4,931 civilians were likely killed, the vast majority in coalition bombings of Iraq and Syria.
unidentified
Jesus.
joe rogan
However, going by maximum estimates, 2017 emerges as the worst year for civilians with up to 19,623 killed, almost all in the bombing campaign against ISIS. Death toll from US airstrikes, 387,000 civilians who are believed to have been killed by all parties during the War on Terror.
Wow.
jeff dye
I take it back.
I get why the aliens go, oh, I get why he likes the guy that dunks.
joe rogan
Yeah.
jeff dye
That guy did way better than this.
joe rogan
Yeah.
Unfortunately, no one can imagine a world without that stuff.
That's what's crazy.
If you said to people, what are the odds there will be no war in five years?
Everyone's going to say, fucking zero.
Okay, here it is.
Suggest that civilians make up between 7.27% and 15.47% of the deaths in U.S. drone strikes in Pakistan.
Hmm.
jamie vernon
This doesn't include just those three places.
It doesn't include Afghanistan, Iraq, Iran.
joe rogan
Hmm.
I've heard it like way skewed in the other direction.
jamie vernon
I'm also under the assumption that this data isn't going to be most prevalent in a search.
joe rogan
Right.
But it seems like there's got to be somebody who compiled that.
jamie vernon
I'm looking, but I still like getting lost in different websites that are old from 2014 when people were talking about this a lot more.
And there's nothing just like saying the number right up front.
joe rogan
It's a crazy way to kill people.
It really is.
Ultimately, we're probably going to look at this the way we look at cannonballs.
You know?
Like, cannonballs now are ridiculous.
Because we have missiles.
Why would you use a cannonball when I could just- Can you get a ball wrecking through them?
We have hypersonic missiles.
Hypersonic missiles are a real thing that human beings have created.
They can change direction in the air.
jeff dye
That's amazing.
joe rogan
You can't figure out where the fuck they're going, and by the time you do, they've already hit.
jeff dye
Yeah.
joe rogan
They go faster than the speed of sound.
jeff dye
Imagine a cannonball coming at you.
You go, he's still using this?
What is this?
joe rogan
Yeah, so, Murphy misfired claim that 8 out of 10 US drones missed their target.
jeff dye
8 out of 10?
jamie vernon
They're saying that this is not the correct quote.
He fucked up by saying that.
joe rogan
It's not accurate.
jeff dye
I'm glad they made it the headline, you know.
That's good for guys like me.
unidentified
Yeah.
joe rogan
Either way.
Civilian death toll is calculated between...
So here's the other problem, too, that I've been told.
The problem is a lot of times when they get their death numbers, they're getting them from the ground.
They're getting them from people on the ground, and whether it's ISIS or whoever, will exaggerate the amount of civilian deaths.
Okay, and so to make it look terrible that I mean this is one of the reasons why you know like Hamas does things in hospitals Yeah, you know, they just killed those guys in hospitals the other day So don't they live under the hospitals and stuff or like that's where the base is supposedly I don't know enough to comment on that But I do know that that's what they've always said these guys operate in places where you can't bomb like hospitals Yeah, it turns out that was true in this case they killed these three guys in a hospital That was true over a five month period in Afghanistan over a decade ago.
Wow.
unidentified
That 8 out of 10. 8 out of 10. So what did he get in trouble for saying it for?
joe rogan
So what were you mad at Neil deGrasse Tyson for?
jeff dye
I'm not mad at him.
I'm annoyed that a man of science...
Would say things like, you know, I like to get my information from smart people.
I like to think that a guy like him, who's very smart, would say a smart thing that has no emotions linked to it.
You know, like you like to think like, give me the facts, you know, give me some stuff.
joe rogan
Which he does with a lot of things.
jeff dye
Yeah.
joe rogan
Yeah.
jeff dye
Used to really like him a lot.
And then you'll say something like, you know, someone will say, well, like, biologically, we have a male and a female has chromosomes, different chromosomes than a man.
You can look at the bones of a man and the bones of a female.
And despite what's going on in your emotions and in your soul or spirit or whatever we want to label it, if we're just talking about the biological makeup of something, we can put them into two categories.
joe rogan
Yes.
jeff dye
Forget what your spirit is or your essence or how you feel.
If we're just looking at the meat and bones and cells and chromosomes of something, we can make biological arguments that there is a male and a female.
And then his argument goes, why do you care?
What do you mean, why do I care?
You're the man of science.
You should tell me.
That should be your argument, is that if we're just looking at biology and not the spirit of someone or whatever, the feelings.
And instead his argument is, why do you care?
I care.
I want you to tell people facts about things scientifically, not just go, what does it matter?
You go, well, when you go on about the cosmos, people don't go, why do you care?
We care.
Like, that's not a good scientific argument for things.
And he's really jumped ship on science, as a science guy.
joe rogan
Yeah, it's bizarre, but it's a mind virus.
And it's a mind virus that demands compliance.
You have to comply to this ridiculous new ideology.
And a part of that, and this is where it really annoyed me about his argument, was that that should apply somehow to sports.
jeff dye
Oh, yeah.
joe rogan
And this is where this is going.
This is why it's so crazy.
That is absolutely insane.
That's absolutely insane.
This is not saying that people shouldn't be allowed to be transgender.
Of course they should.
You're allowed to do whatever you want to do.
jeff dye
We can treat them nice, but then also have facts.
joe rogan
But you cannot just say you're a woman and compete with women in sports.
And if you support that, scientifically, that is untenable.
Just scientifically, with the amount of data that we have about the differences between males and females in sports, The gap is so wide that you're going to have your outliers, your extraordinary females, and your weak men, and they're going to kind of cross over.
jeff dye
They love to use those examples.
joe rogan
Yeah, but those examples aren't valid because if you take a biological male of normal athletic ability competing against a biological female...
Who is elite of elite.
The biological male has massive advantages, especially in things like combat sports.
So they just passed a thing allowing biological males to identify as females and box females.
jeff dye
That's crazy to me.
joe rogan
And I don't know what parameters they have.
You can't just be making weight.
Because if it's just making weight, like, holy shit, are you testing testosterone levels?
Are you making sure?
Because what are you doing?
What are you doing?
jeff dye
There's a reason it's separated.
joe rogan
It's so crazy to let them do this because there are people that are legitimately transgender and they, again, should be able to do whatever they want to do.
But there's also people that are out of their fucking mind.
jeff dye
Be reasonable.
That's all it is.
joe rogan
And there's people that literally, if you allow them to pretend to be a woman and beat women up, they will do it.
jeff dye
Yep.
Well, it's funny.
I use Brendan Schaub.
In the bit, I'm doing it on my special, The Last Cowboy in LA. I have a bit where I talk about Fallon Fox, right?
Because I used to be one of these guys.
I'm a comedian.
I want everyone to laugh.
I want to be the clown.
People go, they say, I saw the clown, it made me happy.
Going to work tomorrow, happy, you know?
So I used to be one of these guys that goes, I don't, you know, I don't know, ask someone else.
That used to be me, from Seattle, going, hey, I don't know, I don't know.
And they say, can you believe they're letting a woman fight in UFC? She's a biological male who...
joe rogan
It wasn't in the UFC. It was in a smaller organization.
jeff dye
And then I say to myself, hey, I don't have no opinions.
But then you watch it, and it's like the one girl in the corner, I'm D'Amica.
And then they go, versus Fallon Foxx.
And I was like, oh, maybe I have some opinions.
Wait, they're gonna let them fight?
Yeah.
That's when you start going, maybe I do have some...
And you saw the fight.
And I go, alright, I formed a few opinions about this subject.
joe rogan
It looked like domestic violence.
jeff dye
It was crazy.
unidentified
You like that?
jeff dye
We don't like it.
joe rogan
And then you hear the voice, and you're like, what the fuck?
jeff dye
But you can't watch that and then still be like a tepid guy who's like...
Oh, you know, I don't really have an opinion on this.
Let them do what they want.
joe rogan
Back then, Neil deGrasse Tyson wasn't chiming in like this.
unidentified
Ever.
joe rogan
No.
He got caught up in that same silly mind virus.
Look, it doesn't mean you're not a compassionate person that recognizes that there's a whole wide variety of human beings that feel different than you.
jeff dye
Sure.
joe rogan
And we should be open-minded to that, for sure.
But you should also protect women.
You should protect women's sports and protect women that are forced to, in high school, in college, and even in some professional sports, forced to compete against people that have significant physical advantages.
And I bet a lot of those people are out of their fucking minds.
How about tell me what percentage of them have mental issues?
jeff dye
Right.
joe rogan
What percentage of these people that are doing this have mental issues?
It's probably a lot, and you're allowing them to get all this credit and all this extra love.
jeff dye
Yeah.
joe rogan
Because people lean in.
You've seen comics lean into their audience and become a different person because they develop a certain audience and they're kind of like, oh, I'm going to lean into that.
People lean into everything.
jeff dye
Right.
joe rogan
They'll lean in to being a woman.
You know, they just decide.
They're like, look at all the love I get from being a woman.
You put the lipstick on, oh girl, you look so good.
Thank you, baby.
jeff dye
Yas queen.
joe rogan
And then you're all cosplaying.
And they lean into it.
And there's also legit trans people.
There's legit people that really should be a woman.
Nature just fucked you.
You got a shithand of cards.
Or got all jumbled up or whatever it was.
jeff dye
And you go, why do you care?
Well, I'll tell you what.
If I had a daughter that's trying to get a swimming scholarship, like, then you care.
joe rogan
Then you care.
jeff dye
You start to say, well, I'd like someone smart and famous and someone who could be on a thing like this to maybe say these things instead of just going, well, why would you care?
Some people care.
There's people that care about these subjects.
joe rogan
Ari sent me this karate fight the other day.
jeff dye
I'm already in.
joe rogan
Between this guy and a girl.
And it's so quick and so violent.
It's so disturbing.
It's so disturbing that someone let this happen in the first place.
And I think they're both black belts.
jeff dye
Okay.
joe rogan
And this guy manhandles this lady so quickly and so awfully.
If you can't find it, I'll find it.
You want me to send it to you?
Let me see.
They're both wearing white karate geese and they're standing apart from each other.
jeff dye
Oh, here it is.
joe rogan
Look at this.
unidentified
Oh!
jeff dye
That first one was...
joe rogan
Bro, this is like...
What's that last one?
He's a dick.
He's a dick.
jamie vernon
What was the leg thing she's doing here?
jeff dye
She's tapping.
joe rogan
She's just tapping.
jeff dye
Yeah, but that last part...
joe rogan
And then he just bitch slaps her to the ground.
That's the difference between males and females when it comes especially to combat sports.
It's not fair.
There's not a world where that's fair.
jeff dye
Not a world.
And if you do think that this is fine, you know, make a men versus women NFL. Let's just do that.
Let's do it.
The men would win 60 years in a row.
We'd be like, we won the championship again.
The field would just be covered of broken women.
Like, I broke my finger.
joe rogan
I'm waiting for trans men or trans women in the WNBA. When that starts, yeah.
Bro, that all of a sudden would be an exciting game.
jeff dye
I'd watch.
Yeah, we got dunks now.
joe rogan
Not just that, but you got freaks.
It's a wild freak show.
jeff dye
And you know what it is?
joe rogan
Seven foot dudes with lipstick on.
jeff dye
Even if there was a woman who was so good at women's basketball that she could compete in the NBA, I would say don't let her do it.
joe rogan
Well, you're gonna get knocked around.
jeff dye
Yeah, because it's also like, well, that's not what we're doing here.
joe rogan
Right.
jeff dye
Otherwise, then the men could go play with you because they're good enough.
joe rogan
Did you see this...
I think he's a professor somewhere in Canada.
He's a 50-year-old man who identifies as a teenage girl.
And so he's competing with teenage girls in swimming.
jeff dye
I've not seen this.
joe rogan
And they let him change in the same changing room as the teenage girls.
jeff dye
See, these are the things that matter.
joe rogan
So they let this 50-year-old man whip his cock out.
jeff dye
Yeah.
joe rogan
And be naked.
jeff dye
That's wild.
joe rogan
In the presence of teenage girls.
So they apparently they like put curtains up to try to shield it.
50 year old trans swimmer shared locker room while competing against teens.
The girls were terrified.
And look at that crazy fuck.
jeff dye
Yeah, this is...
joe rogan
This is so nuts that anybody would allow that.
jeff dye
Someone might be listening to this and go, oh, come on.
This is like an isolate.
Yeah, but even if it happens once, don't you think that's too much?
joe rogan
This is just like the Fallon Fox thing.
When that happened, I was outraged.
I was like, this is ridiculous.
That's a guy.
And people got so mad at me.
And I was like, this is a wild thing to get mad at.
I'm not getting mad at someone for being trans.
Right.
I'm getting mad at someone for lying and not saying they were trans for two fights.
Yeah.
Look, if you're a trans woman and a biological female agrees to fight you, I feel the same way that I feel when someone's going to ride a bull.
Like, I wouldn't recommend it, but if you want to do it, I support your right to do whatever the fuck you want to do.
There's a woman who fought in the UFC, Ashley Evans-Smith, and she actually beat Fallon Fox.
She beat her.
She mounted her and pounded on her, but she's a really good fighter and she made it to the UFC. Where she lost to Raquel Pennington, who is the current UFC Bantamweight Champion.
So she's a legit fighter.
But it starts with that.
And if it keeps going, if you can really...
There's enough people that promote this term, minor attracted person.
That term is so crazy to me.
It almost feels like a 4chan troll that just went amok and just like free bleeding.
You know, free bleeding was a 4chan troll.
I think it was, right?
Didn't it start off as a 4chan troll?
So they decided to pretend that real feminism is just letting your vagina just leak blood into your pants and it's proudly showing off your sweatpants.
unidentified
Unsanitary.
jeff dye
It's ridiculous.
And some women started doing it!
That's crazy.
joe rogan
And some women started doing it.
jeff dye
But now imagine me going, why do you care, Joe?
joe rogan
Yeah.
jeff dye
Oh, so a 50-year-old's change in front of a 16-year-old in this...
joe rogan
Why do you care?
jeff dye
I think we should care.
joe rogan
Yeah.
jeff dye
If it happens even one time.
Let's say it doesn't become this bigger social issue.
It shouldn't happen once.
joe rogan
Well, this is the question.
Do pedophiles exist?
jeff dye
100%.
joe rogan
Yes.
Do perverts and sex offenders exist?
unidentified
Yes.
joe rogan
They exist.
These are real things that we know are in the human race.
jeff dye
Yeah.
joe rogan
If the possibility of someone that Is one of those things.
jeff dye
Yeah.
joe rogan
And all they have to do is say they're a woman.
jeff dye
They have access to dishonesty.
joe rogan
You had a Willy Wonka golden ticket to go wherever you want.
You just have to say you're a woman.
You don't think that a serial pedophile would do that?
If all of a sudden he can say it, he can just say I'm a woman.
Did you see the guy who won the LPGA tournament stop?
It's not an LPGA. Whatever it is.
jamie vernon
Yeah, I mean, it's...
joe rogan
Oh, sorry.
Women's golf.
jamie vernon
Yeah, it sort of matters, but that's also...
I was just reading about it.
joe rogan
So this dude just decides he's a woman.
Puts his skirt on.
jeff dye
It's happening a lot lately.
joe rogan
Doesn't change his appearance at all.
And just murders this woman's golf.
jeff dye
He didn't change anything?
jamie vernon
No, no, no.
I said he did a reassignment surgery.
joe rogan
He had it?
jamie vernon
Yeah.
joe rogan
Oh, okay.
jeff dye
Well, at least she's hot, you know?
jamie vernon
Haley Davidson.
joe rogan
So you have to go through the surgery.
Wait a minute, is that the same one?
jamie vernon
Yeah.
joe rogan
Let me see.
jamie vernon
This story went back to 2022. I didn't know that it's been going on for a little while.
joe rogan
I thought the one just happened.
jamie vernon
This one just happened.
joe rogan
Oh, this one just happened.
jamie vernon
It's an LPGA qualifying event.
joe rogan
Oh, okay.
jamie vernon
That's when they add the LPGA to the headline, it makes more news than when you say NNXT. That's why you shouldn't believe everything you see on Instagram Reels.
unidentified
Yeah, that's where I'm guilty.
jeff dye
I'll hear a guy tell me a thing in a warehouse 20 years ago, and I'm going, is that true?
unidentified
Exactly.
joe rogan
It always happens.
So, is this the first transgender woman to win golf tournament?
jamie vernon
I believe so.
To win an event, yeah.
And then what happens, though, by winning this event, she earns an opportunity to play more, which could lead to an LPGA qualifying spot.
joe rogan
Yeah.
jamie vernon
She did win money.
joe rogan
Let me see.
Yeah, that's the person.
jeff dye
Yeah, man.
There she is, huh?
joe rogan
Wild.
jeff dye
Let's see her next to some other gals.
There you go.
jamie vernon
The claim also is that by after having all of the surgeries and stuff, lost 15 miles an hour on club head speed, which is...
jeff dye
A lot?
jamie vernon
You could gain that back, I guess, but I don't know.
joe rogan
Yeah, well, that sounds like a lot, but also I bet...
jeff dye
Jamie, why do you care?
joe rogan
But don't you think it's still probably faster than the women's?
jamie vernon
Yeah, so the average for a man, it was saying, is about 115 on the PGA Tour, and the average LPGA is about 95. And it doesn't say where they were before or after.
joe rogan
Also, is that what he said, or was that what was measured?
jamie vernon
This is just average in general.
It's not, you know, it's just right here.
joe rogan
You definitely lose something.
If you're on estrogen, and you have your testes removed, hee hee.
Claims.
jeff dye
She lost 15 miles per hour.
jamie vernon
Her own math.
joe rogan
You're not going to say, I have a fucking huge advantage.
I've been a dude my whole life.
Yeah, you're not going to say that.
jeff dye
They love to do that.
joe rogan
Oh my god, I've lost 15 miles an hour.
I'm basically a woman now.
jeff dye
Don't worry about it.
joe rogan
I won the tournament just because I'm awesome.
jeff dye
Yeah, yeah, yeah.
Courage.
What I lack in head club speed, I gained in bravery.
joe rogan
Yeah, and not having wide hips.
There's a lot of things with hips like the shape of hips you don't generate the same amount of power like women kickers There's such a vast difference between a woman kicker and a man kicker.
It's kind of stunning And I wonder if a lot of that has to do with the shape of the hips.
Because if you get a woman who is like 135 pounds and ever hit a bag, and then you have a man who's 135 pounds and hit the bag, the difference is so stark.
jeff dye
Oh, yeah.
joe rogan
You're like, this is crazy because your legs are carrying around all day long.
jeff dye
Right.
joe rogan
But there's a lot of other shit going on.
There's tendon strength.
There's bone density.
There's the shape of the hips, I'm sure, too.
But it's also like there's also something that happens to the human body when it evolves or it develops, rather, with testosterone.
Like, you're going to be stronger forever.
You're never gonna go back to what it would be like if you had been born a woman.
It's like taking steroids for 20 years, hardcore, that literally turn you into a guy.
jeff dye
And be like, I have no advantage.
joe rogan
I'm done.
I'm not taking steroids anymore.
We're the same.
That's crazy.
You were cheating your whole life.
If you got caught doing that in the UFC, You're fucking banned.
You're banned for two years.
And if you get caught again, I think you're banned for six years.
It's something wild like that.
So if you're just like taking testosterone your whole life, your whole life, and all these other women are, you know, just fucking being normal and cheerleading and going to parties, you're competing against them.
unidentified
That's insane.
jeff dye
I know a girl who's a professional foosball player, Kelsey Cook, the comedian, Chad Daniels' girlfriend.
I don't know why I said that, but anyways, I love them.
And she's talking about foosball.
I find it interesting because I don't know anything about foosball.
And I go, oh, this is probably one of those sports where the men can play with the women because it's foosball.
And she goes, I hate that I'm admitting this to you because she knows I'm a guy, a man's guy.
And she goes, men have an advantage in foosball.
And I go, even foosball?
And she goes, yes, because it's like that torque of a man's arm versus a woman's arm.
Even the arm.
She goes, the men can hit it harder, the spin rate.
So even something as what we might think is a frivolous kind of thing like foosball, even that, there is just so much of a difference.
joe rogan
How about chess?
Men have an advantage in chess.
jeff dye
Really?
I did not know that.
joe rogan
Yeah.
jeff dye
How?
joe rogan
I don't know.
jeff dye
Yeah, that's interesting.
joe rogan
I don't know, but for whatever reason, maybe it's more men do it.
I don't know what it is.
Maybe it's the mind, the way the mind works.
It's different.
The competitive mind.
jeff dye
Yeah.
joe rogan
Men have a large and consistent advantage over women in spatial ability of which chess relies to a large extent.
And this is a difference in average, not just at the high end.
The male advantage is present pre-puberty, is present across cultures and time.
Another one is pool.
The best professional female pool players never win male tour events.
jeff dye
Interesting.
joe rogan
They're allowed to enter them.
Men can't enter women's events, but there's certain major events that women enter all the time, but they never win them.
jeff dye
Well, a smart man would say, why do you care?
Why do you care who's better?
joe rogan
Because it's a statistic and it's a sport I care about.
unidentified
It's important.
joe rogan
I think it's interesting.
Look, there's a lot of women that are really good and they can beat a lot of men.
They beat a lot of men.
But when they get to the very top, like when you're playing through a pool bracket...
You know, say if there's a hundred or so professionals that are in this tournament, they're playing in this double elimination bracket.
So you lose once, go to the one-loss side, you lose there, you're out of the tournament.
So you're running against killer after killer because there's a hundred professionals there.
And there's a high likelihood that someone gets a bunch of good rolls, you scratch on the break, a bunch of things happen, a person runs out a lot, and you lose, you know, seven-nothing to some person, and that person happens to be a chick.
That's totally possible.
You could lose to a woman.
But over the course of the tournament, that luck will wear out, and the elite male players will beat the elite female player.
jeff dye
It's weird.
I didn't know you were so into pool.
Where do you play pool?
I play here.
Like you personally.
Oh, you play.
joe rogan
I have tables here, but also, you know, I'll go places where I can play.
I play at Amsterdam Billiards when I'm in New York City.
unidentified
Hmm.
joe rogan
Yeah, I'll go to pool halls.
jeff dye
Yeah, that's such a bar game.
joe rogan
It is a bar game, but the type I play is like tournament professional style pool.
It's a different kind of pool.
It's not like eight ball.
I play mostly nine ball and ten ball, and it's a rotation game.
I have not, but it looks very difficult.
It's fucking huge.
That table's gigantic, and the balls are little, and the holes are little.
jeff dye
And it's confusing.
joe rogan
Yeah, I don't understand it.
jeff dye
We were in Thailand.
We were like, let's play pool.
We walked over there.
We're like, this is a different table here.
joe rogan
Yeah, I don't even know what to do.
I don't even know how it works.
I like watching it, though.
It's cool when they're really good at it, because I know how hard it must be to be doing that.
They used to make a shit ton of money.
But there was one guy over there that was a big top guy that got busted fixing a game.
unidentified
How?
joe rogan
They caught him on camera.
They got a hidden camera.
See if you can find that story.
Because he was like a top dog.
jeff dye
Just put the ball in with his hand?
joe rogan
Well, you just miss.
jeff dye
Oh, I see.
joe rogan
Yeah, it's not hard to do at all.
jeff dye
Wait, what do you mean?
joe rogan
So that doesn't- You could fix a pool match.
So say if I'm a gangster and you're a killer pool player and you're gonna play some guy.
And I was like, Jeff Dye, I got a proposition for you.
I'm going to give you $100,000 to blow this game.
So you're the favorite in the game.
So maybe there's a lot of people gambling.
jeff dye
I'd be good at losing.
joe rogan
Yeah, you lose on purpose.
That's how it works.
You can lose on purpose.
So is this the story?
jeff dye
I thought that was when he was fixing it to win.
joe rogan
Dennis Taylor is caught cheating.
No, it's not him.
What did he do?
unidentified
I wonder how he got caught cheating.
jamie vernon
He just literally added a ball.
jeff dye
That's hilarious.
joe rogan
Are you allowed to climb on the table?
jeff dye
Look at this guy.
And he touched the...
jamie vernon
Look at his goofy glasses.
joe rogan
Are you allowed to climb on the table?
jamie vernon
This might have been a celebrity match, I feel like.
joe rogan
Oh, it looks like they're all laughing.
Yeah, yeah, yeah.
No, it's not that.
It was like a bribery scheme.
He was caught fixing snooker games, and it became a criminal investigation.
Because there's so many people that gamble on snooker.
jeff dye
Sure.
jamie vernon
Ten people charged, that kind of thing?
joe rogan
Yeah, that's probably it.
jamie vernon
Match fixing scandal?
joe rogan
Yeah.
How long ago was this?
jamie vernon
Last year.
joe rogan
Oh, no, this is a new one.
jeff dye
Ten Chinese players.
joe rogan
Oh, wow.
Listen, pool players are dirty.
They're dirty people.
Not all of them, but a lot of them.
It's a game where dudes will dump you.
You have to have a really good relationship with your backers, and you've got to spread money around if you win.
You've got to make sure that people don't dump on you.
Because if there's a lot of gambling involved, like say if you and I were in a match, and we're two top players, And you've got a bunch of people that are coming from fucking Cincinnati and Kansas City and Chicago.
They're coming to watch this match and there might be a half a million dollars on the side.
unidentified
Sure.
joe rogan
It might be more.
It happens all the time with top plays.
John Higgins, that's the guy.
Banned for six months but cleared of match-fixing.
Not guilty.
jeff dye
Tough to prove, maybe?
Isn't it weird that gambling is so prevalent in sports now?
joe rogan
What did he say though?
He said something, like they were talking to him about fixing the game.
There was a recording, right?
jamie vernon
I'll look into this, yeah.
joe rogan
He was also like a very beloved player.
jeff dye
Interesting.
jamie vernon
But the point is that like, you know, that can- Undercover reporter discussed the possibility of throwing frames?
joe rogan
Yeah.
Okay.
Mooney discussed the possibility of throwing frames, which is like fixing a game, like missing, with the undercover reporter.
the news of the world's Mazur Mahmood, for weeks before the trip to Kiev.
Unbeknownst to Higgins, Mooney had taken him to Kiev specifically to discuss the matter of throwing frames, but had not raised the possibility the subject might come up until minutes before the meeting started.
Mills said he was unimpressed by Mooney as a witness and found much of his account highly implausible.
jamie vernon
Hmm.
joe rogan
ruling that he should be banned from the sport for life whoo his lawyer said in a statement mr. Mooney bitterly regrets being caught up in the news of the world's entrapment and is unresolvedly sorry for the impact this sting that sting had on snooker and mr. Higgins in particular interesting it is fascinating There were some lies.
jeff dye
How...
Latent gambling is now.
Where it's like, I'm not that I'm not like an old man or anything, but I, you know, they used to act like nobody was gambling on football or basketball.
And now they'll just have the spreads right up on the screen.
They're just like, here's the betting lines.
DraftKings.
I mean, it's pretty, like, it's like weed, I guess.
Like the way the government's like, we're just gonna get in on this.
joe rogan
Yeah.
Well, that's the right way to do it, especially in America.
Look, gambling's dangerous.
It's dangerous.
I've seen people go fucking crazy gambling.
I know people who are gambling addicts.
It scares the shit out of me.
But I think it should be legal, just like I think weed should be legal, and I think alcohol should be legal.
I think you should be able to be responsible with your own decisions and make your own choices and get your fucking shit together.
The problem is not gambling.
The problem is gambling addicts.
Because I can go and gamble, and I'm smart about knowing that this is very addictive, and I do it, and I'll get the fuck out of here.
And it was kind of fun, and then I live my life.
jeff dye
You're not going to lose your house.
joe rogan
But I know people that gamble constantly.
jeff dye
I know some guys, yeah.
unidentified
Constantly.
joe rogan
Dana White's a maniac.
jeff dye
Really?
But Dana's not going to lose his house either, so it's like he can...
unidentified
Hey man, he even gambles.
jeff dye
I like guys like that.
joe rogan
We went to visit him at the Red Rocks Casino, and at one point in time he was down $600,000 playing blackjack.
unidentified
That's insane.
joe rogan
And he wasn't even nervous.
jeff dye
Really?
joe rogan
He wasn't even sweating it.
jeff dye
Wait, he was gambling on blackjack?
That's a weird thing.
That shows you might have a problem.
My buddy Josh, I go, I think you have a gambling problem.
He goes, no, I don't, dude.
I go, you just bet four grand on women's, you know, Utah State college best, just because it's on.
And he's like, yeah, I think you got a point.
Maybe I do have a problem.
I was like, if you're betting on this, you don't even know if these girls are good.
joe rogan
But that makes watching a game so much better, too.
jeff dye
Yeah, yeah, for sure.
joe rogan
If you could just be reasonable about it, you know, if you bet on a game, just bet, you know, whatever you can afford.
If it's a hundred bucks, bet a hundred bucks.
It's gonna make it more exciting.
jeff dye
For sure, yeah.
joe rogan
Come on, you fuckers!
Come on, you fuckers!
jeff dye
I'll pay a little to care.
unidentified
Yes!
joe rogan
You care so much more.
If you have a steak in it...
You're down to a nose, son.
jeff dye
You want another one?
Yeah, I'll have another one.
joe rogan
I crush it.
That's a little too down to the wire.
jeff dye
A little too close to my nose.
Thanks, brother.
joe rogan
The trimmers are on the back of that sucker.
jeff dye
You ever, uh, I tried to buy a Terry Bradshaw, like, I was like, you know, he's a guy like you.
I brought you cigars because I don't, I figure, you know, just a man-to-man, I want to get you something nice.
joe rogan
Thank you.
jeff dye
Appreciate that.
It's not like I thought you'd see the cigars and go, oh, what is that?
You know, just bring you something.
You know, it's nice.
It's what gentlemen do.
joe rogan
Yes, thank you.
jeff dye
So for, uh, I go to Terry Bradshaw's house, one of these things, and I was like, I wanted to get him something for Father's Day, so I got him, like, these nice cutters, you know.
A few hundred bucks for these cutters.
It's like, what's the nicest cutters for cigars?
And he's like, thanks, man.
He reads the card.
Thanks, bub.
Love you.
And then I go to...
Later on, I'm at the ranch.
He's got this huge humidor.
40 of those cutters just laying around.
He's got the nicest of everything.
I've never seen nothing like this.
This is wild.
joe rogan
Yeah, that's a Calibri.
It has a little cutter on the back.
It's nice.
jeff dye
Multi-purpose.
You can't fly with this, though.
joe rogan
No, you can't, right?
They probably wouldn't let you.
jeff dye
I've lost a lot of torches at airports.
joe rogan
Oh, you can't fly with a regular torch?
jeff dye
Yeah.
That's hilarious.
Yeah, just that.
You can't...
joe rogan
What's the difference between that and a regular lighter?
jeff dye
No idea.
joe rogan
You got the wrong side.
jeff dye
Can you fly with...
No, I got it.
joe rogan
Oh, you were about to light the side you cut.
Oh, you're right.
I was, right?
jeff dye
I just cut it too deep.
joe rogan
Yeah, why can you fly with a regular lighter and you can't fly with a torch?
jeff dye
Can you fly with a regular lighter?
joe rogan
Can you?
unidentified
Yeah.
joe rogan
I think so.
Yeah, Jamie says yes.
I don't think Jamie knows.
unidentified
I don't work at the TSA, but I've never heard of anyone getting stopped for it.
joe rogan
You know what used to drive me crazy?
You know what used to drive me crazy?
You can't bring a pool cue.
Is it out?
Here.
It might be out of gas.
unidentified
Thanks.
joe rogan
You can't bring a pool cue on a flight, but you can bring a skateboard.
jeff dye
I didn't know you couldn't bring a pool cue.
joe rogan
No, no, it's a weapon.
jeff dye
Did not know that.
joe rogan
I was like, did you know how easy you kill someone on a skateboard?
Mm-hmm.
Skateboard's heavier.
You could fuck somebody up with a skateboard.
jamie vernon
You can bring two lighters.
joe rogan
Aha!
Zippo lighters without fuel.
jamie vernon
Don't check them.
joe rogan
Disposable and Zippo lighters without fuel are allowed in checked bags.
jeff dye
Oh, checked bags.
joe rogan
Yeah.
Lighters with fuel are prohibited in checked bags unless they adhere to the Department of Transportation's exemption, which allows up to two fueled lighters if properly enclosed in a DOT-approved case.
You have to put your fucking lighters in a bomb case.
jeff dye
Just doing that.
joe rogan
How often are lighters going off randomly?
jeff dye
It's like a dollar.
joe rogan
When did...
When was the last time a Bic lighter just randomly lit on fire?
Fucking never.
jeff dye
More Teslas blow up on fire than lighters.
joe rogan
Yeah, I've never heard a single instance.
jeff dye
Well, but I don't think you can carry it on.
Maybe that's all I know.
I don't check bags.
joe rogan
I remember it used to be the case.
I just thought they'd relax that.
The fucking shoe thing is so stupid.
jeff dye
I can't believe they're still doing that.
joe rogan
One dickhead tries to blow his shoes up.
One guy.
jeff dye
I was laughing about, this is an old current event, but when it was a new thing that we had to take our shoes off for TSA, like after 9-11, George Bush was like, even I will be going through TSA checkpoints for Air Force One.
I was like, no!
Not you.
joe rogan
Fucking liar.
jeff dye
We should be able to trust you.
joe rogan
That's a lie.
jeff dye
Yeah, he was going, even me.
No, you won't.
joe rogan
That's so crazy.
unidentified
If I can't trust the president on Air Force One.
joe rogan
Imagine that you have to have the president checked because he might be a terrorist secretly.
jeff dye
That was just the visual of it was ridiculous.
Checking his dick.
Yeah, yeah.
joe rogan
Do you see the ones that they scan your whole body where you see your hog and everything?
jeff dye
No.
joe rogan
There's some that the TSA people can literally see the size of your dick.
I don't think they use them anymore.
jeff dye
How do I get the job of just being there, you know?
joe rogan
Just want to see the people.
See if you can find that.
Because they show the images of what it looks like for a human.
So you don't see their face, but you see their dick.
jeff dye
Oh, wow.
joe rogan
How crazy is that?
jeff dye
I got to see a Bill Burr bit in real life.
joe rogan
Look at that.
jeff dye
Oh, yeah, that is weird.
joe rogan
See the man's dick?
jeff dye
Yeah, that's me, actually.
unidentified
Crazy.
jeff dye
Yeah, that's weird.
joe rogan
Crazy.
jeff dye
So, I was at LAX. This is years ago, and it's when the big scan, the thing went around your body.
And I see Bill, and he's at CSA, and I've known him for, I've known of him, and he's known of me since, like, 2008, because he played Giggles Comic Club in Seattle when I was, like, a young comic.
I go, hey, Bill.
He's like, hey, Jeff.
And he's, like, clearly irritable.
And he's like, he's just waiting at the side, and I'm going through the thing, and a guy comes over to him, he goes, hey, if I could just get you to stand over here next to the machine, because he's refusing the big scan around thing.
joe rogan
Yeah.
jeff dye
And he's like, he's like, yeah, no, I know you don't want to do the machine, but just stand.
He goes, what kind of defeats the purpose to go stand by the fucking machine?
You know, like, he's like, that's the machine I don't want to be in, now you want me to stand by it?
But I got to watch the whole thing happen, I'm kind of like, this is like a Bill Burr bit in real life.
Getting to watch it happen.
I'm sure he's gonna talk about this like on stage.
It was kind of fun to like just kind of see a bit formulate.
joe rogan
Yeah, Ari used to do that too.
He made them all check him down.
jeff dye
He'd refuse it?
joe rogan
Yeah, he would not go through the machine.
jeff dye
I mean, I don't think it's great for you.
joe rogan
It's not.
It can't be.
jeff dye
And we fly all the time.
joe rogan
It can't be good for you, right?
jeff dye
If you're doing it three or four times a week...
joe rogan
I think the radio one is different.
The one they do now is not an x-ray.
I don't know what it used to be.
What did it used to be?
Like, what was the original ones?
jeff dye
Metal.
joe rogan
The thing about those kind of things is they really don't know how bad they are for you until it's too late.
unidentified
Sure.
jeff dye
Yeah, we won't know.
joe rogan
Until ten years down the line, you realize, like, oh, that stuff kills you.
jeff dye
Well, cigarettes was like, you know, doctors would be like, oh, it calms your nerves.
jamie vernon
What's a millimeter wave?
joe rogan
I've never really heard that.
Millimeter wave body scanner was developed at the Pacific Northwest National Laboratory.
So what's the dangers?
Privacy concerns.
That's because it can see your painter.
Possible health effects.
Here we go.
Millimeter wavelength radiation is a subset of the microwave radio frequency spectrum.
Even at its high energy end, it is still more than three orders of magnitude lower in energy than its nearest radio toxic neighbor, ultraviolet, in the electromagnetic spectrum.
As such, millimeter wave radiation is non-ionizing and incapable of causing cancers by radiolytic DNA-bound cleavage.
Due to the shallow penetration depth of millimeter waves into tissue, typically less than one millimeter, acute biological effects of irradiation are localized in the epidermal and dermal layers and manifest primarily as thermal effects.
There's no clear evidence to date Of harmful effects of the vaccine.
I'm sorry.
I mean other than those caused by localized heating and ensuing chemical changes.
Yeah.
Maybe.
jeff dye
Ain't that a funny one?
joe rogan
Maybe.
Yeah.
Maybe.
Hopefully.
Hopefully it doesn't hurt you.
unidentified
Yeah.
joe rogan
Sounds like they think it doesn't.
But what did they used to use?
jeff dye
A lot of words.
joe rogan
What was the original one?
What were the original TSA radiation machines?
jeff dye
I mean, I think it was just a metal detector, right?
I mean, they were just like...
joe rogan
Bro, have you ever seen the hands of the x-ray technicians from back in the day?
unidentified
No.
jeff dye
Just from operating it?
joe rogan
No.
Yeah, the women who used to run it.
So back then, when you were an x-ray technician, you would have to test the x-ray to make sure it's calibrated, make sure it's working right.
So the way they would do it, they would x-ray their own hand.
jeff dye
Oh my gosh.
joe rogan
Yeah, with no...
jeff dye
And then over time...
joe rogan
They did it a lot.
Yeah.
They did it a lot.
jeff dye
They got little...
joe rogan
So their fingernails are falling off.
Like, look at that.
jeff dye
Oh my gosh.
joe rogan
Yeah.
Hand of an x-ray technician at the Royal London Hospital showing damage of radiation exposure.
So this is from 1900. Why does it say...
unidentified
Oh, I see.
joe rogan
Bro, they didn't know any better.
jeff dye
Right.
That'll be us someday with something.
Cell phones or...
joe rogan
Have you ever seen those ladies that used to put loom on watches?
Uh, no.
jeff dye
Cyanide is used for that, right?
joe rogan
No, no, no, no.
It's radioactive.
I think it's radium, right?
jamie vernon
No, they're called the radium girls.
joe rogan
Yeah.
jeff dye
They sound hot.
joe rogan
They use it in tubes.
So what happened was these women, they would lick their paintbrush.
You know, because you lick your paintbrush sometimes.
And they would lick their paintbrush to try to form a better tip so they could do it better.
And every time they did it, they got radium in their mouth.
unidentified
Oh my god.
joe rogan
And they would get horrible cancers, and they're fucking, you know, a lot of them died.
Like, see that image of that lady where her jaw was rotted off?
unidentified
Oh yeah!
joe rogan
Yeah, that's from radium.
Girls who licked radioactive paint.
jeff dye
You just remind me of the funniest thing I've ever seen on morning television.
unidentified
What?
jeff dye
So, you know, when you have to play a comedy club, sometimes they...
This reminds me of it.
joe rogan
Okay.
jeff dye
Like, you know, in the mornings, they make you do these morning televisions sometimes to go promote.
No, it never brings anyone to the club.
joe rogan
Right.
jeff dye
And morning TV is so corny.
Everything they say is like...
They're like, we got funny guy Jeff Dye here, and then you say something really vanilla, and they're like, whoa!
They're always so easy to offend the morning show people.
It sucks.
It's a terrible thing we have to do.
I'm waiting.
I'm hungover.
I've got sunglasses.
I'm just like, I can't believe I have to do this stupid show.
And they cut to a thing.
So I'm watching on the TV what the morning thing is.
It's in San Francisco, and they cut to these art vendors that are out on the side of the thing.
And she's like, I'm here with a local San Francisco artist, blah, blah, blah.
He's a glassblower, and he's got all of his glassblowing things behind him.
It's the funniest thing I've ever seen on morning television.
Lady goes, she goes, isn't it true that glassblowing is really hard on your lungs, and it's hard on your vision, and it's very dangerous.
It takes years off of your life.
And this guy, without missing a beat, he goes, yeah, but to die...
A little sooner to put my art into the world is worth it.
I was like, wow, that's beautiful, right?
That's like really beautiful.
And then she goes, what do you make?
He's like, mostly bongs and dildos.
And she's like, back to you in the studio!
It was the funniest.
Like, he went from being profound to just dropping.
joe rogan
His art form is bongs and dildos.
But just the idea of saying that, to die sooner, that's hilarious.
jeff dye
Yeah, it was a beautiful one-two punch of, like, yeah, just have my heart in the world.
Bongs and dildos.
joe rogan
Yeah, that's like a dude from a movie.
Like, so you probably heard something like that in a movie.
It's like, it's too profound.
jeff dye
I was thinking these poor girls, they're going, yeah, but you know, I painted a lot of clocks.
joe rogan
Yeah, no one told them either.
I think that radium, that loom on clocks and watches, it was like, nobody had ever done that before.
jeff dye
Was it like glow-in-the-dark or something?
joe rogan
Yeah, glow-in-the-dark.
They do it now in glass tubes, so like, if you get a tactical watch that's like, um, A good example is Marathon.
Marathon makes these military-grade tactical watches that are super durable, and they have radium tubes in it.
So no matter what time of night it is, pitch blackness, you look down at that watch, and it doesn't have to be glowing in the dark.
It just glows.
It's lit up.
So like loom on a regular watch, like when it has loom painted into it, what happens is when you're in the sunlight and in the flashlights and studio lighting and whatever, fluorescent lighting, it charges that paint.
And so then when you go in the dark, then it glows.
And it glows for like a little while, like a few hours maybe.
jeff dye
Yeah.
joe rogan
This shit never goes out.
But it's these little glass tubes.
So you can find like a marathon watch.
I think it's radium.
unidentified
Radium.
joe rogan
I think it's that same radioactive shit.
It's just in a gas form that's encased in a tube.
And I think it has a half-life of 20 years.
So I think it glows for 20 years on your wrist.
jeff dye
It's pretty sweet.
No wonder it's jacking up their chins and noses and stuff.
joe rogan
Oh dude, it has to wreak havoc if you're licking that thing every day.
Like, that is just some fucking nuclear space dust.
jamie vernon
One of the articles I was just reading about it said that they liked it so much, they were also painting it on their face, fingernails.
jeff dye
Oh, gosh.
joe rogan
God damn it.
jeff dye
Yeah, they're like, I get free radium at work.
joe rogan
Oh, I don't need dye makeup anymore, and their fucking eyes run out of their head.
jeff dye
Isn't it funny?
I have so much radium, I made it eyeliner.
joe rogan
Show me a Marathon Watch.
jamie vernon
I was just trying to find it.
joe rogan
I couldn't find that.
Marathon Divers Watch Loom.
jamie vernon
Marathon Watch.
joe rogan
Just write Divers Watch Loom.
jeff dye
You have a big watch, I noticed, last night.
joe rogan
This is just a digital watch.
So that's what it looks like.
And then we see it at nighttime, that's what it looks like.
So it's always lit.
It's pretty fucking dope, actually.
jeff dye
I don't think I've owned one, but I've seen that for sure.
joe rogan
It's just, I love those things.
I love watches.
And there's another company called Ball.
B-A-L-L. They make way cooler looking watches.
The Marathon watch is like, tactical, military-style watch, but ball watches, they make these killer dress watches.
But that's all got the loom, too.
So that looks like that.
jeff dye
That looks great.
joe rogan
Oh, yeah.
And it's a dope watch.
jeff dye
Yeah.
joe rogan
Like, look how cool that looks.
Ooh.
And it's also radioactive.
But apparently it's completely, it's encased.
You have no fear of it hurting you.
And if it breaks, it just dissipates in the atmosphere.
jeff dye
If it breaks, you lick it a bunch.
Just sniff it.
joe rogan
Just sniff it and get superpowers.
jeff dye
Hey, my tongue's glowing.
joe rogan
Yeah, I can see through walls.
I know things now.
jeff dye
Free radio.
joe rogan
You were telling me you were a Bigfoot guy?
jeff dye
Big Bigfoot guy.
joe rogan
Tell me about this.
jeff dye
Here's the problem.
joe rogan
Well, you grew up in an area.
jeff dye
Yeah.
joe rogan
You're in the Pacific Northwest.
Yeah.
That's Bigfoot country.
jeff dye
That is.
I think that's the only reason I'm so into it.
joe rogan
Yeah.
jeff dye
Also, here's the thing you gotta know about talking about me.
It's not ever funny, and it's just something I like so much that it ends up me giving you the same arguments you've heard a billion times.
joe rogan
Yes.
jeff dye
Oh, it's Gigantopithecus, came over the Asian plane, it's a bipedal hominid, it's just, you know.
And then at the end, and everyone of my friends has experienced it, Harlan Williams just experienced it when I was on his podcast.
Anytime I talk about Bigfoot, it ends up with me just going...
Please, Joe, can you just say it's maybe a possibility?
Like, that's what it always ends up being.
joe rogan
Yeah.
jeff dye
You said it's...
I remember you one time going, there's nothing out there.
Didn't you say that about Bigfoot?
joe rogan
Hunters don't see it.
That's why I don't believe in it.
jeff dye
Some hunters do.
joe rogan
No, not many.
jeff dye
People that see it are usually loggers, hunters, natives, people that are out in the woods.
joe rogan
There's another problem.
Another problem is dusk.
You see things at dusk or at dawn.
It's very confusing.
Bears walk on two legs all the time.
I have personally watched bears walk on two legs, and if I didn't know any better, and if it was a dark environment, like it was dusk, like you barely can see, I would think it's Bigfoot.
jeff dye
Right.
joe rogan
Yeah.
But I do think Bigfoot existed.
There's some insane number of Native American words For Bigfoot.
Sasquatch is just one of them.
There's a bunch of them.
There's a bunch of Native American words for this one animal that's fake, but all the other words they have are for real animals.
They don't have a bunch of dragons.
They don't have like mythical creatures in Native American mythology, but they do have this one giant man thing.
That definitely existed.
jeff dye
At some point.
joe rogan
At 100%, Gigantopithecus was a real animal.
It was 8 to 10 feet tall, bipedal hominid.
It was a huge gorilla-looking primate that died off somewhere around 100,000 years ago, but they don't know really for sure.
jeff dye
100,000?
joe rogan
Yeah, but they don't know for sure.
The thing about it is it's like...
If you only find fossils from 100,000 years ago, you could assume that this animal at least lived then.
But you don't know when it went extinct.
You might find some new fossil like 10 years from now, they might find some new site, and wait a minute, these are 20,000 years old, or these are 30,000 years old, or these are 50,000 years old.
But either way, anatomically identical human beings have been around for 500,000 plus years, maybe even more.
So, or similar human beings.
So then we definitely interacted with them.
jeff dye
Yeah.
joe rogan
Or they were around when we were around.
jeff dye
I think they're still around.
I think there's hundreds, maybe thousands of them.
That's what I believe.
I think they're in caves or something.
Or maybe it's...
joe rogan
You know what the problem with that is?
jeff dye
What?
joe rogan
They're too big.
The amount of food that they would need to eat?
unidentified
Yeah.
joe rogan
You'd have to be grazing all day long.
See, if you're Bigfoot...
jamie vernon
Posted in the Journal of Zoology this month.
joe rogan
If it's there, could it be a bear?
jamie vernon
They're saying it's black bear, American black bear.
joe rogan
Yeah, American black bear that stands up.
jeff dye
But even little kids would know the difference between a monkey and a bear.
joe rogan
No, no, no, no, no, no.
First of all, let me tell you something.
If you're in the woods, and you're in a heightened state, because you're looking around, you don't know what's out there, it's all thick woods, it's weird.
Woods are weird.
jeff dye
Yeah.
joe rogan
And you see something, you could trick your brain.
I saw a squirrel, and for like two or three seconds, I thought it was a wolf.
jeff dye
Really?
joe rogan
Yeah.
jeff dye
Yeah.
That's a wolf?
That's real between ears.
joe rogan
I'm seeing something moving in between thick trees, and I see gray fur.
I'm like, oh my god, is that a wolf?
jeff dye
Yeah.
joe rogan
Because there's wolves out there.
jeff dye
Right.
joe rogan
I'm in Canada.
I'm like, oh.
It's a fucking squirrel.
What the fuck is wrong with me?
What the fuck is wrong with me?
unidentified
Shoot it!
joe rogan
Yeah.
It's like people see what they want to see.
unidentified
Yeah.
joe rogan
And the problem is you get something into someone's head, a mythological thing, whether it's a UFO or whether it's Bigfoot.
I think the world is way more slippery than we like to think.
And I think there's states of consciousness that people can achieve during high anxiety levels, definitely during the use of psychedelic drugs, sometimes during weird states in their life, like near-death experiences, loss of a loved one, extreme emotion, a lot going on, a lot of anxiety and fear, like you would have if you were in the woods, and then you see a light across the sky.
It might have been just a meteorite.
jeff dye
Right.
joe rogan
But you're in the wrong headspace to see that meteorite.
And you just fucking...
You just freak.
You just freak.
And maybe for a brief moment, you can see something that's been there all along.
jeff dye
You know how defeated I am right now?
I just want you to tell me, like, dude, there's some crazy stuff out there.
joe rogan
I've interviewed a lot of Bigfoot people.
I had one joke I used to do about Bigfoot.
Here's what you don't find when you go looking for Bigfoot.
Black people.
You're more likely to find Bigfoot than you are black people looking for Bigfoot.
It's a bunch of unfuckable white guys out camping.
jeff dye
That is a thing.
joe rogan
It's a community of people that want to believe something that there's zero evidence for, and they're fucking locked in.
jeff dye
Yeah, they're hitting a tree with a stick, going like, we're gonna wait for a knockback, and it's different Bigfoot researchers hitting a different tree, talking back to them.
joe rogan
Yeah, it's like if you go to public land elk hunting, there's a bunch of people elk calling.
You think, oh, they're an elk.
It's a dude.
jeff dye
It's another guy.
Two men doing elk calls.
joe rogan
Exactly.
To each other.
That literally happens.
unidentified
I bet.
joe rogan
It does, 100%.
It's one of those things where I wish it was real.
jeff dye
Me too.
unidentified
I wish it was real.
joe rogan
Bobcat Goldway believes.
jeff dye
Yeah, he loves it.
joe rogan
He's all in.
Did you ever watch Willow Creek?
jeff dye
I did, and it pissed me off because at the end, it turns out to be...
I'm going to spoil Willow Creek, but at the end, it's just a bunch of hillbillies out there killing.
And blaming it on Bigfoot, basically.
Wait a minute, which one are you talking about?
joe rogan
Bobcat Goldthwait's movie?
jeff dye
I think that's what the end is.
It's just some crazy people that live in the woods.
It's not really a Bigfoot.
joe rogan
Is that true?
jeff dye
I think that's the end of Willow Creek.
joe rogan
I don't remember how it ends.
jeff dye
Because they kind of have this one kind of like Blair Witch-like shot.
And it's just a bunch of, you know, mountain people.
Which is the scariest thing you'll find in the woods.
People.
joe rogan
Well, that's that...
jeff dye
People that want to be off that grid.
joe rogan
There's that documentary Sasquatch.
Did you ever see that?
It's like a documentary series.
jeff dye
Yeah, and it turns out just to be the cartel.
joe rogan
Yeah.
jeff dye
Oh, not the cartel, but like weed people.
joe rogan
Weed people killing other...
jeff dye
Blaming it on a Bigfoot, framing it to look like a Bigfoot's out there.
joe rogan
Yeah.
Yeah, they killed somebody.
Apparently, when marijuana was...
You know, when they were growing it up there, these hippies started arming themselves.
unidentified
Yeah.
joe rogan
You know, and then they had rival gang wars with people that would come in and try to steal their crop.
unidentified
Sure.
joe rogan
So they start shooting at each other, killing each other.
unidentified
Yeah.
joe rogan
That's what that's all about.
jeff dye
Or also like, you know, some cute girl that's like, oh, I'm gonna clip weed all summer and make five grand and hang out with other potheads who, like, you don't realize how terrible that job is.
joe rogan
Well, you're involved in an illegal business, and the cartels in that business.
Like, I had a friend who found a cartel grow operation on a ranch.
Yeah, they were...
unidentified
Scary.
joe rogan
He works on a ranch in California, and he was doing his thing out in the ranch, and he found some water piping.
And he followed the water piping, and it was pretty considerable distance.
And they found this grow-op.
So this guy had diverted water, or many guys.
They didn't see the humans.
They did it.
They took their shit, and then they never caught the guys, I don't think.
But they would set up these camps in, like, they would go to, like, national forests.
Apparently it's big in northern California, where they go deep, deep, deep in the woods.
They backpack in, and then they have a massive grow-op.
On public land, and they just get it till the time it's, you know, ready to harvest, and then they get out of there.
But if someone interrupts that, if they get in the middle of that, they'll kill them.
Like, these are cartel guys.
So, my friend John Norris, he's been on the podcast before, he was a game warden.
And he found a creek that had been redirected, and he thought, like, maybe a farmer had did this.
Like, what's going on?
Maybe someone put an illegal dam on this.
They follow it, and they find this crazy grow-op with the cartel and guns.
So he winds up, instead of just being a game warden, now all of a sudden he's got a tactical team with attack dogs.
jeff dye
Crazy.
joe rogan
And they're running in fully armed with flak jackets on, having gunfights with the cartel in the woods over weed.
jeff dye
Yeah.
I will say that that's like the most frustrating part about the Bigfoot subject is you got guys like who really like, oh, I think an ape could, like a pod of apes could like live out here and this thing.
And so you'll start to, guys like me will be like, yeah, this makes good sense.
And then they'll get like a Native American to talk about it.
And he'll be like, it's the magic man of the woods.
And you're like, no.
And they're like, he disappears.
He flies.
He can stop the rain.
And you go, this is...
Gosh dang it.
We were making real good ground here.
Making arguments for it to be an ape.
joe rogan
I think the Native Americans are right.
I think that's what it is.
jeff dye
Some sort of paranormal woods thing?
joe rogan
Yeah.
I do.
I think it's like...
Listen, let's imagine that states of consciousness can interface with other things that are around us all the time that we don't necessarily see.
Now, we know that's true if you take psychedelics, and we know that psychedelics are produced in the brain.
I can imagine a moment Where you are in such a state that you could see something that you would not be able to see under normal conditions.
It's not outside the realm of possibility.
I'm not married to it, but it's not outside the realm of possibility.
Now, if that is what we're seeing with UFOs, if what we're seeing is our future, if what we're seeing with those beings is the eventual shape that human beings will take, As evolution progresses, we become these genderless, little spindly things with giant heads, flying spaceships with our minds.
That kind of makes sense to me.
If that makes sense, Why wouldn't I be able to also see what we used to be, or what we could have been, or what other things used to live with us?
And maybe it's almost like a ghost, almost like a memory that you can access of a different timeline, a different dimension, where this thing does exist.
And that's why it's so elusive and it comes and goes, because it's not a real material thing.
It's a construct of the human psyche.
But these people that are seeing it, like they might even literally be seeing footprints.
It might literally leave footprints.
It might exist for brief moments.
jeff dye
Makes sense?
Passing in and out of this dimension kind of thing?
joe rogan
There's so many wacky stories about it.
So then you have to apply the wacky stories to human psychology and say, okay, people are in a heightened state.
They're in the woods.
They're alone.
They're nervous.
There's cats out there and fucking bears.
unidentified
Ah!
joe rogan
So you're kind of freaking out already.
You're in this like weird mind state already where it seems like more things are possible out there because there's no one to help you.
Right.
There's no city.
There's no hospital.
jeff dye
Can't call the cops on a Bigfoot.
joe rogan
You got no fucking cell phone signal, and you're out there alone.
Like, there's so many possibilities.
jeff dye
It's terrifying.
joe rogan
And that, to me, makes sense.
Like, if there's a mindset that could be achieved, it's a mind state to be achieved, where you interact with things that aren't there all the time, like UFOs, that would be when it would happen.
jeff dye
Right.
Well, there's tons of interesting stories that you'll just read about a thing just walking behind the tree.
But if it was a massive 10-foot thing, you'd probably be able to see it come out on the other side of that tree.
And you see a lot of those kind of...
I read a lot of those kind of stories and I'm like, I don't know the heck that...
joe rogan
Yeah, it could be that, but it could also be black bears.
It could be that you're just seeing things because they're freaking out.
jeff dye
Yeah.
joe rogan
Bears freak you out, man.
You see a bear in the wild, it freaks you out.
And if you see a bear in between trees, you can just convince yourself that it's something, and then your brain plays tricks on you.
The memory is a slippery bitch.
jeff dye
Yeah, I know.
joe rogan
Especially under heightened circumstances like that, like in the woods.
Your memory's weird.
jeff dye
And it's more exciting to believe that it's real, so that's what you wanna...
You know, that's my biggest...
I think what I'm holding onto so much is that, like, I think it's so boring if we just know all the stuff on our planet.
joe rogan
I don't think we do.
jeff dye
But that's my point.
It's way more exciting to think, yeah, there's Bigfoots, and there's...
joe rogan
Yeah, pterodactyls is one of my favorites.
jeff dye
Wolf, Wolfman, or Dogman, or Mothman, or any of these kind of, like, exciting things.
I want to believe that.
joe rogan
Well, you know about that Hobbit man that they found on that island of Flores?
unidentified
No.
No?
jeff dye
A Hobbit man.
joe rogan
Yeah, this is a good one for you.
This is a thing that absolutely lived alongside people.
And I think they don't know the timeline of this fucker either.
But they think it might have been as recently as like 50,000, 30,000 years ago.
And they were little tiny people.
Three foot tall, like almost like ape-like creatures.
That's what they look like.
jeff dye
Oh yeah, see?
Like a little baby Bigfoot.
joe rogan
Yeah, like little hobbits, man.
And they lived on this island.
And they were like a different branch of the human chain.
jeff dye
Look at that.
joe rogan
That lived alongside homo sapiens.
jeff dye
Yes, you see that.
You just think you see a juvenile Bigfoot or something.
joe rogan
Yeah.
Well, there's people that have cited these things in other parts of the world still to this day.
They still claim that they exist.
jeff dye
You seen that video recently where, um...
These guys, I'm gonna make up a place, but it's some place like, but not necessarily Thailand, and they're on these motorcycles, and this little man comes out with like a spear, and then they chase it into the high grass.
joe rogan
But it runs across the road, right?
Doesn't it run across the road?
jeff dye
Well, it has a spear because it's kind of startled by their motorcycles, and then they're going, wow, wow, and they kind of chase it down this little trail, but then this is it.
unidentified
This is it, right?
jeff dye
Yeah, this little guy, like a tiny person, and then it runs into the grass, and they lose it.
But it's a tiny little guy.
joe rogan
Yeah.
jeff dye
And he's got some sort of spear.
joe rogan
Do you see a spear?
jeff dye
You'll see it in the very beginning before, because one guy gets off his bike in the very beginning.
When it first comes out, it has a little spear.
Maybe even before this.
joe rogan
So they're riding the bike.
jamie vernon
This video replays itself a lot.
jeff dye
Oh, sorry.
jamie vernon
It's like on loop.
joe rogan
Oh, okay.
jeff dye
Oh, okay.
Yeah, so this is where they chase him into the grass.
This is when they lose him.
They pop around looking for it.
joe rogan
So they see him again?
jeff dye
No, no.
This is where they...
When they first stumble upon him, he has like a...
Right here.
jamie vernon
There you go.
jeff dye
He's holding something.
jamie vernon
There was something.
I mean, whether I get...
If this is a real video, it definitely looks like there's something in the sand right here.
jeff dye
Yeah, he's like dragging something.
joe rogan
Jamie, does that look real to you?
You're good at this.
Let me see it.
Let it play again.
jamie vernon
first cynicism goes, no, that's not real.
jeff dye
And that guy dumps because he's like, what the hell?
jamie vernon
First instinct says this is someone in that side of the world playing around with computer graphics and they just shrunk a person.
But that's just being cynical.
joe rogan
Right.
And that seems the most likely scenario.
I would like to hear their voices.
Are they speaking in English?
jamie vernon
There's no sound, it doesn't seem like.
joe rogan
Yeah.
jeff dye
On this one, probably.
jamie vernon
I feel like we have heard it before, but...
jeff dye
It just sounds like a lot of motorcycles.
It's like, because they're all on motorcycles.
jamie vernon
It's like a 12-year-old GoPro video, so it's not the best.
joe rogan
See, the thing about that is fascinating, because you're dealing with insane jungle, like insane, dense terrain.
Where the Oren Pendek is, where do they think that thing exists?
It was like Vietnam and some other area.
But if the island of Flores had these creatures on them, Like the idea that there would be just a small population of them that still existed, that seems to me to be more likely than Bigfoot.
jeff dye
Yeah.
joe rogan
Because that one gets seen a lot.
jamie vernon
And that looks, the lighting on it is so strange to me.
Yeah, it looks weird.
It looks unnatural.
joe rogan
It definitely looks weird.
jeff dye
Well, but they could doctor up a thumbnail.
jamie vernon
Sure, sure, sure, sure.
Yeah, yeah, definitely.
jeff dye
Because I watch these Sir Spooks.
jamie vernon
It looks like Groot.
It looks like a version of Groot.
joe rogan
Right, but everything looks blurry there.
The motorcycle looks like shit.
Everything looks fucked up.
jeff dye
And on all these videos like this, when you try to get a shit to click on it, they doctor the thumbnail up so that you'll click on it.
joe rogan
Yeah, yeah, they jazz up.
That looks jazzed up, right?
jeff dye
Right.
But that's the...
joe rogan
So it was Indonesia.
Yeah, so that's where they claim to have cited this thing.
But, most likely it's bullshit.
You know, so many people have cell phones.
So many people have cell phones, the idea that no one's filmed one yet, but for sure we know it did exist.
And how long ago did the Homo floresiensis, how long ago did that one live?
They used to think it was much more recent.
I think they were thinking at one point in time it was only 10,000 years ago.
But I think they think it's quite a bit older than that now.
50,000.
So here it goes.
Okay, so initially thought to be only 12,000 years ago.
However, more extensive stratigraphic and chronological work has been pushed dating of the most recent evidence of its existence back to 50,000 years ago.
So that's the most recent evidence, 50,000 years ago.
And homo floriensis skeletal materials now dated from 60,000 to 100,000 years ago.
Stone tools recovered alongside the skeletal remains were from archaeological horizons ranging from 50,000 to 190,000 years ago.
That's for the stone tools.
Yeah.
jeff dye
How about this?
joe rogan
They found quite a few of them.
jeff dye
You're out shooting these Elks, right, with your bow and arrow, right?
And let's say you see, well, you see a Bigfoot.
joe rogan
Yeah.
jeff dye
You go, hey, I had this psycho comedian on the podcast who believes in Bigfoot.
And you're going, holy crap, there it is.
You shooting that thing?
joe rogan
No.
jeff dye
No?
joe rogan
No, no, no, no.
No, no, no.
Why would I do that?
jeff dye
Because then you proved that it's...
Because now, if you try to tell the story, people are like, Joe, you saw a bear.
joe rogan
So what?
jeff dye
Your sanity.
joe rogan
I'll be fine.
jeff dye
You don't shoot it?
joe rogan
No fucking way.
No fucking way.
jeff dye
Why would you shoot?
joe rogan
Would you kill it?
jeff dye
Oh, yeah.
unidentified
I'll kill it quick, dude.
joe rogan
What if you only wounded it?
jeff dye
That's the problem.
I think the more likely it's going to go, you piece of shit, and break it off.
If it is a...
joe rogan
No, it'd have to be a mythical creature to take a good shot with an arrow.
jeff dye
I'd try to kill it.
joe rogan
Shoot that sucker.
jeff dye
And then tell everybody.
Like, you guys all said I was wrong.
joe rogan
Four-cut broadhead.
jeff dye
Yeah, look at this.
Look at his face.
I bring it right here.
That's what I do.
I text you.
I say I got something I want to show you on the podcast.
Put his big stupid head here.
joe rogan
Dude, did you see that guy who killed his dad and said his dad was a traitor and then like put his dad's head on the table?
jeff dye
No.
joe rogan
Oh my god.
jeff dye
Was this in America?
unidentified
Yeah.
jeff dye
You know, you're kidding.
joe rogan
Some fucking crazy psycho militia type dude.
This guy.
And he looks so out of his mind.
unidentified
What is he smiling about?
joe rogan
You want to see the video?
jeff dye
Yeah.
joe rogan
I think they took the video down, but I saved it.
I'm going to send it to you, Jamie.
I'll just send you the clip where the guy cuts or shows the head.
jeff dye
Oh my goodness.
unidentified
So...
joe rogan
Is the video available?
I just sent it to you.
It's disturbing.
Don't show it on camera.
But I just want you to see...
And give me some volume so you can see how casual this fucking guy is about having this guy's head...
unidentified
This is the head of Mike Moon, a federal employee of over 20 years, and my father.
joe rogan
Yikes.
No, no, no.
I want to listen to that.
unidentified
that's why I wanted to tell you treason and betray others occupy the lowest pits of hell for all time the federal government of America has declared war on America's citizens and the American states this is a guy who just beheaded his dad as far left woke mobs rampage our once prosperous and Okay, kill it.
joe rogan
I mean, that might be like a Manchurian candidate tank thing.
China might have like...
Hypnotize that dude.
Like that guy looks out of his fucking mind.
jeff dye
Yeah, and he wrote out a little thing.
joe rogan
He might be on like a new trial medication.
jeff dye
He typed up his little speech.
What he's gonna say.
I'll use all these buzzwords and then I'll show the head.
Like that's the fourth take or something.
joe rogan
His doctor prescribed a new medication called murderous militia.
jeff dye
Killed his head.
He held it up like I'm holding one of these little...
Like a fish.
See this?
This is Gary.
joe rogan
It's like, this is the brisket we're going to cook.
Here's before I trim it.
jeff dye
That's wild.
joe rogan
This is dad's head in a plastic bag.
jeff dye
That's so crazy.
joe rogan
The thing is, like, how calm he is.
unidentified
Right.
joe rogan
When he's reading his manifesto and talking about, this is my dad, he was a traitor, puts it down, then just goes right back to work.
Like, what the fuck?
jeff dye
Yeah, that is insane.
That was interesting to...
Because, like, I'll read a thing, like, this soccer player came out and beheaded a referee or something like that, and it's always in some sort of place, you know?
You don't think that it's in, like, Ohio.
joe rogan
Like...
jeff dye
That was like a normal bedroom, like you see people Zoom call from.
joe rogan
What is that guy's background?
They got him, right?
He's alive, right?
jamie vernon
That was the mugshot we were looking at.
joe rogan
That was the mugshot.
Jesus Christ.
He didn't even fight the cops and try to go down with the ship.
jeff dye
What a crazy world.
jamie vernon
Larged with at least abuse of a corpse amongst other crimes.
joe rogan
At least abuse of a corpse.
jeff dye
Amongst other crimes.
Yeah, I think so.
joe rogan
No, my dad was already dead.
He just cut his head off.
Imagine if that turns out to be the case.
Dad died and said, you know what?
I'm going to get some street cred.
I'm going to hack his head off and said I killed him and he's a traitor.
That's possible.
jeff dye
Weirdest stolen valor ever.
It's the strangest.
One time I saw a fist fight in Seattle, Washington at this bar.
And this kid just jumped up.
Got this big guy.
Sucker punch.
Knocks him out.
And then fleed.
Because he realized, oh, I'm going to get in trouble.
Or maybe someone's going to beat me up.
And he ran from the cops.
But we all saw the fight.
So the police were like, would you recognize him if you saw him?
I go, yeah, I'd recognize him.
So they put me in the back of the cop car.
They were going to drive me around to see if I could spot him.
But I figured, because I'm in the back of the cop car.
You know, I look like I'm a badass.
Whenever we'd drive by girls, I'd put my hands like this and I'd be like kissing at the window.
And they're like, oh, that guy's nuts!
joe rogan
Handsome outlaw.
jeff dye
Stole the valor of the fight kid.
That's a good move.
What a weird...
That shook me a little bit.
joe rogan
What is that guy's background, Jamie?
jamie vernon
He also, so they found, the wife called it in, he then drove a hundred miles and broke into a Fort Indiantown Gap base and stole a gun to Pennsylvania National Guard headquarters.
He was found with a gun, but he didn't resist arrest.
joe rogan
Holy shit.
jeff dye
I wonder if this guy, like, do you think he didn't, before that, there was just like, he's just a guy.
And then he's like, well, cut the head off.
Now it's time to...
unidentified
Right?
jeff dye
Do you think there was things leading up to that?
Or is that just...
That's the...
joe rogan
I would imagine there were signs.
jeff dye
Right.
jamie vernon
2016, his college roommate said he thought the government was out to get him.
joe rogan
Oh, paranoid schizophrenia.
jeff dye
What do you think the rule is on...
joe rogan
Or maybe they were out to get him.
Or maybe they did Manchuria in Canada.
jamie vernon
They were looking at him for a while.
When I first heard the story, the FBI was looking at him.
joe rogan
They were looking at him.
Yeah, we're looking at him.
jeff dye
Yeah, we're just taking a...
We're observing him.
joe rogan
Maybe it's like some new MKUltra project.
jeff dye
I will say the signs thing, so let's say this kid does this, right?
And then people go, oh, we looked at his...
They always do that with serial killers.
They'll say, look, we looked at his Facebook and there were signs and no one did anything about it.
joe rogan
Right.
jeff dye
It's because people don't want to believe that that's possible.
joe rogan
Well, also, you don't want to look for it everywhere.
Maybe the guy's just having a rough week.
unidentified
Right.
joe rogan
Maybe he's not going to climb on top of a fucking church tower with a rifle.
jeff dye
There's a guy who I got banned from the improv in Hollywood.
And it's because while he was sitting there, he's a lower level comic, so he's not like past...
It's not like he would be working at the improv.
But he hangs out at the improv because he wants to be a successful comedian.
unidentified
Excuse me.
jeff dye
I don't know.
I could chalk it up to alcohol.
I could chalk it up to whatever these excuses are.
But what he was saying was so problematic.
The way he was like, you know what?
It's coming.
The day is coming.
And I'll tell you what.
I've killed before.
One of these military guys.
Used to be a military guy.
And he goes, he's kind of taunting me a little bit.
Because I went and I was just on the lineup.
So I'm one of the comedians that he thinks.
And he goes, you know, and guys like you are worth extra points.
And I was like, what does that mean?
And my manager was sitting there listening to it.
I go, are you threatening me?
I don't understand what you're doing.
Because I just want to be friends with everyone.
Just trying to break bread.
And he's like, he's like, no, you guys will all see.
You guys will all see, dude.
It's all, he's doing this kind of like cryptic, I took it as like, this is a sign.
joe rogan
Yeah.
jeff dye
So I told the Hollywood, the next day I called, and I said, hey, you know, maybe you don't have a guy that's bragging about how he's going to shoot up everybody eventually.
Because you always hear these signs and go, why didn't I do anything?
joe rogan
Well, the thing about comedy is mental ill people sign up for open mics.
jeff dye
Yep.
joe rogan
All the time.
jeff dye
So I got him banned, and then the girl bartender who works there, who's a great woman, she's really great, she's like, I can't believe you did that.
He would never hurt a fly.
I know him really well.
I go, yeah, but you might be enabling a guy like this until he pops.
joe rogan
Yeah.
jeff dye
Like, we always say, like, why didn't you say anything?
You know, like, there's signs there.
unidentified
Yeah.
jeff dye
I saw the signs and I told.
Whereas, like, she's, to this day, she's like, I just can't believe you got it.
Like, he might not have any other place to go, and he comes here.
joe rogan
Oh my god, he comes and ruins this place?
unidentified
Get the fuck out of here.
jeff dye
Yeah, you don't want him doing that.
I was like, I was fine with telling on him, and you can't talk like that.
Even if you're never gonna do anything.
joe rogan
Was he funny?
jeff dye
No.
joe rogan
Oh, well, there you go.
jeff dye
Doesn't bother me.
joe rogan
Probably wasn't going to work out anyway.
That's probably why he was upset with you.
jeff dye
Actually, he said that to me.
He goes, I bet you made everybody laugh.
Yeah, that's kind of the idea.
He goes, I don't even care if they laugh.
I don't give a shit about any of that.
And I was like, that's the whole point.
Like he was romanticizing about being the guy who doesn't need the crowd to like him.
And I was like, well, but that is the job.
I want them to laugh.
joe rogan
You're in the entertainment business.
jeff dye
It makes no sense.
He thinks he's better, more cerebral, because he doesn't get laughs.
joe rogan
That's what people do when they don't have an option.
That's the only way they can find any kind of status.
Their status is that they don't give a fuck.
jeff dye
It's so tired.
joe rogan
So stupid.
Of course you give a fuck.
jeff dye
Also, we don't need people that don't give fucks.
We want you to give some fucks.
joe rogan
It's not...
Powerful to not give a fuck.
It's stupid.
jeff dye
It's lazy, yeah.
joe rogan
Yeah, it's stupid.
jeff dye
It's immature.
It's like what babies do.
joe rogan
Yeah, you're trying to do something.
You're involved.
You're at the place of where it gets performed.
You're involved.
You're involved.
You just suck at it.
And so you're trying to find some way to sort of make you the more, you know, whatever.
Virtuous.
More someone who's like cooler.
jeff dye
Yeah.
And that's all in a need to be like, we talked about a guy last night that's like, He would treat people terribly, but then when you'd hear him talk about people that he liked, he would say, like, he was a real jerk to me.
You're like, yeah, see how that made you feel?
That's what you do to people like you think that that, you know, it makes no sense.
joe rogan
Well, people are just trapped in their own head.
jeff dye
Silly.
joe rogan
So many people are not aware of how other people are perceiving them.
They're trapped in their own head.
And they just know what they want.
And they get upset if other people are getting things.
It's just so toxic.
It's so bad for you.
jeff dye
But I think you can learn that at a pretty young age.
joe rogan
Yeah, you should learn that.
jeff dye
Do you know how you feel when people are nice to you?
That's how they're going to feel if you're nice.
It's such a child, like kindergarten lesson.
And these are grown people that you have to go, you should treat people good.
That's kind of the idea.
joe rogan
Hey man, they're artists.
They're artists.
They're artists, man.
unidentified
That's so good.
joe rogan
You can't be an artist.
You're too handsome.
jeff dye
Yeah, you should want them at all to not like you.
joe rogan
You should be depressed.
How can we not be depressed?
jeff dye
No way to live!
It's no way to live.
joe rogan
It isn't any way to live.
jeff dye
Yeah.
That is a powerful statement to just be like, people go, how you doing?
I'm happy.
And they go, what?
joe rogan
Yeah.
jeff dye
What do you mean you're happy?
joe rogan
Well, that's the really annoying thing about this perception of comedians that we're not supposed to be happy.
jeff dye
So dumb.
joe rogan
Like, says who?
unidentified
Right.
joe rogan
We literally make people happy for a living.
You shouldn't be enjoying yourself.
Like, last night hanging around the green room.
That, to me, is like ultimate playground.
Right.
Everyone's just having fun and laughing and we're just talking shit and having a good time.
And the idea that that wouldn't make you happy and then you go on stage and then people laugh, that doesn't make you happy?
jeff dye
You know what's better?
It's a lot better than pouring concrete for 10 hours.
You're at work and we're having fun and talking.
Yeah, I think that's why podcasts are so huge, by the way.
Sure.
Because it's the green room hang.
joe rogan
Yes.
jeff dye
Holding court, telling stories.
joe rogan
Get in on it.
They listen to it.
unidentified
Yeah.
joe rogan
And then they get inspired to kind of have those kind of conversations with their friends.
jeff dye
Sure.
joe rogan
If you're not around anybody interesting, it sucks.
It sucks.
jeff dye
100%.
joe rogan
It's like a kind of...
It's like a social starvation.
jeff dye
Yeah.
joe rogan
Part of you just fucking withers.
unidentified
Yeah.
joe rogan
Part of you that likes to have a good time and have fun with cool people.
jeff dye
Yeah, and it's also like...
I love the idea that if I say something to my comedy buddies, they know me well enough to go, he's a comedian.
He's trying to be funny.
Dude, I say a lot of stinkers.
There's going to be, in the comments, oh, you see Jeff trying to make Joe laugh right there.
But Joe knows, I'm just trying to make you laugh.
joe rogan
Listen, we had no conversation at all about what we were going to talk about.
Every podcast is like this.
We just sit down and have a good time.
Some of them are gonna...
jeff dye
You take some swings.
unidentified
Yeah.
jeff dye
Yeah, that's kind of how it goes.
joe rogan
Some are going foul ball.
jeff dye
Also, I might say something horrific.
unidentified
Yeah, it happens.
jeff dye
And you go, yeah, that's what Jeff was just talking.
That's what talking is.
joe rogan
Yeah, especially talking and thinking in public out loud.
jeff dye
Yeah.
joe rogan
Yeah.
jeff dye
You bounce it off each other.
joe rogan
That's what you're doing.
jeff dye
I remember one time I said something terrible at a woman that was just walking by the car, you know, to my guy friends who aren't comics.
We were pretty, like, junior college age.
And my friends were like, what the fuck, dude?
And I was like, I don't know.
I thought it'd be funny.
And they just totally didn't get it, and it was really horrific.
You tried!
Yeah, I tried, but I think about that moment a lot now that I'm with comics and I'm in these circles because they would just go, yeah, I know exactly what he's trying to do.
I did one of those jokes five minutes ago.
joe rogan
It's like the open mic-er trying the abortion joke.
unidentified
Like, hey, you're not good enough for this yet.
Swing, yeah.
joe rogan
You gotta learn, and one of the ways you learn is by swinging and missing.
jeff dye
That's why a lot of comics will say, and I don't, again, won't name names, but they'll be like, I just went in there, I did my set, and I got the fuck out of there.
Barry Katz used to tell comics to do that.
Don't hang around.
You don't want to be in these circles, you know?
And it's like, well, one, that's how you make friends.
joe rogan
Yeah.
jeff dye
When I love friends.
joe rogan
And they're the friends that are gonna most relate to your life.
jeff dye
Yeah, we're doing the same stuff.
Yeah, exactly.
And we're cut from the same cloth.
It's our only group.
unidentified
Yeah.
jeff dye
Right?
And that's why those comics, if I were to name their names, they don't do podcasts, and they don't go because they've never done the hang part.
joe rogan
Right.
jeff dye
They've only done the jokes and the Judy Carter comedy bible of, like, you write this thing.
So it's like, this job isn't about going up there and then leave.
It's about the community of stand-up comedy.
joe rogan
It's about both.
And part of the enjoyment is the camaraderie.
That's part of the enjoyment.
Why would you want less enjoyment?
jeff dye
Yeah, makes no sense.
joe rogan
Also, like, that socially, they're the most fun people to hang out with, for me.
So, like, why would you want to deny yourself of the most fun people to hang out with socially?
jeff dye
That's why it's a...
I have to keep going to these meetings and stuff for booze.
Yeah, for the drinking.
And I just sit in there going, I gotta listen to these hacks.
I know some of the funniest people in the world.
This guy's telling me some stupid stories.
I'm just listening to stories.
I'm so judgmental of people's stories.
Get in, get out.
There's no punchline here.
What's the point of this story?
And he's like, the guy's just gotta...
He's just trying to...
He has to share or whatever.
joe rogan
But then a lot of people go up in front of those things and they learn how to do stand-up because they tell funny stories.
jeff dye
You know who doesn't tell funny stories, Joe?
joe rogan
Who?
jeff dye
The Mothers Against Drunk Driving.
Talk about a buzzkill, you know?
These gals.
I'm just watching them going, oh, Jesus.
joe rogan
Yeah, you don't want to be on those conversations.
jeff dye
Bad storytelling.
joe rogan
Those are bad stories.
jeff dye
Yeah, but it is.
It's just like, I've become such a snob about the company, because I get to be around such funny people.
joe rogan
Yeah.
jeff dye
You know, that it's like, now I'm having to listen to, you know, a girl I like, friend, talk about, you know, shopping that day or something.
I'm being irritable about it, like, ugh.
joe rogan
That's brutal.
Assault on your attention span.
unidentified
Yeah.
jeff dye
I'm just going, I can't hear this.
joe rogan
Well, you just got to filter those people out of your life.
jeff dye
Yeah, I try.
joe rogan
Yeah, as much as you can.
jeff dye
Yeah.
joe rogan
Keep your circle tight, Jeff.
jeff dye
Sometimes you have to be around them.
unidentified
Keep your circle tight.
joe rogan
Yeah.
Well, listen, man, it's been very fun getting to know you, hanging out with you.
Last night was really fun.
You were very funny on stage.
It was a cool hang in the green room.
unidentified
Yeah.
joe rogan
It was great.
I enjoyed talking to you, man.
So tell everybody, social media, where they can find you, websites.
jeff dye
Yeah, so all my dates will be on jeffdye.com.
I literally work every weekend all over.
So I'm coming to Charlotte, Norfolk, San Antonio, Dallas, Jacksonville, Orlando, Raleigh.
joe rogan
Never come off the road.
jeff dye
Every weekend.
Always on the road.
I love it.
If I could do stand-up every night, five times a night, that's what I want.
So that's all at jeffdye.com.
joe rogan
I love it.
jeff dye
And then I have a few podcasts.
One's called Wrestling with Freddie, where me and Freddie Prince Jr. talk about wrestling once a week.
Pro wrestling?
It's like UFC, but choreographed, you know?
joe rogan
Pro wrestling?
jeff dye
Yeah, pro wrestling.
And then I have one called Everybody's Got a Price.
Me and Josh Nelson, we just play a simple game with our guest, like, how much to eat the hottest pepper in the world.
And then the people that listen can say, I'd pay Joe Rogan whatever.
They make a pot of money, and then we film you doing whatever the thing is.
joe rogan
Oh, wow.
jeff dye
And a guest like you, who would be like, I would never do that.
I have money.
You can then say...
I'll put this much in to watch someone do it.
But anyways, so that's called Everybody's Got a Price, me and Josh Nelson, and then I have a podcast called Jeff Dye's Friendship.
joe rogan
Oh, dude, you run three podcasts simultaneously?
Wow, I like it.
unidentified
It's fun.
joe rogan
Go for it.
Yeah, it's fun.
jeff dye
I like it.
joe rogan
Beautiful.
Alright, thank you very much.
jeff dye
Thanks for having me.
joe rogan
It was a lot of fun.
jeff dye
Appreciate you.
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