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Jan. 30, 2024 - The Joe Rogan Experience
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Joe Rogan Experience #2094 - Colion Noir
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Nothing much, man.
joe rogan
Good to see you.
colion noir
Good to be back.
joe rogan
We had a full Texas day today, dude.
unidentified
Yeah.
joe rogan
Full Texas.
colion noir
Doesn't get more Texas than that.
joe rogan
Shotguns, ate barbecue, went to the staccato range.
How sick is that place?
colion noir
Man, dude, you should have, like, I remember when I first went there, Like, I called it the ghetto because that's what we do.
But, like, there was nothing there.
joe rogan
Just dirt.
colion noir
Just dirt.
And, like, they had some bays and stuff like that, too.
And, you know, me and my videographer, we did some shooting out there and we filmed.
But it was, like, nothing like it is now.
Now it looks like an entire little village of guns.
joe rogan
They're dumping a ton of money to that place.
colion noir
Dude.
Like, when we were going around, he was showing us, like, the whole property.
Like, I don't know if you saw my face.
I was like...
unidentified
What the fuck?
I know.
joe rogan
It must be a lot of money in selling really good guns.
colion noir
Yeah, yeah, to say the least.
joe rogan
Like the lake?
Like, you guys have a lake.
Why'd you build a lake?
He's like, we're gonna have a lake.
colion noir
I'm not gonna lie.
There's something about water.
Like, if I ever bought, like, property, like, if I just get over this whole, like, I have to be in the city shit, like, I have my property.
I'd want some, like, body of water.
joe rogan
Explain to me the I have to be in the city.
colion noir
I'm just a city rat.
Like, I like...
joe rogan
You just always like it.
colion noir
Yeah, just the buzz and the energy of the city is something that I just...
It's in me.
So it's like...
Like, I can still...
Like, every year, you know, I'll go out to, like, Utah and go and do all of the, you know, eat, love, pray shit.
And then...
Yeah, I gotta come back to the streets.
joe rogan
That's crazy.
I like staying in cities.
When I stay in New York City, I'm there for a weekend.
But by the time Sunday rolls around, I'm like, alright, get me the fuck out of here.
I don't like it.
I've never liked it.
Even when I lived in New York, I didn't live in the city.
I live in the suburbs.
But that was because I couldn't afford it.
I couldn't afford an apartment that had parking.
It's parking in New York City.
colion noir
It's crazy.
joe rogan
And I have to do the road.
I travel a lot to do stand-up.
I have to be able to drive to gigs.
So I was driving to Connecticut and New Jersey.
Just to get a parking spot.
I forget how much it cost back then.
This is the 90s.
But it was out of my budget.
colion noir
I'm honestly...
I love cities.
So anytime I go to...
If I travel to a different state I've never been to before, I always want to stay in the city and I always go to their downtowns.
New York is one of the places that I genuinely do not like.
unidentified
Really?
colion noir
No, I don't know what it is.
I genuinely did not like it, which is weird because I like big cities.
But for something about New York, I was just kind of like...
Meh.
unidentified
Really?
colion noir
I don't, dude.
joe rogan
That doesn't make any sense because it's the most city city.
colion noir
I wish I could articulate it.
joe rogan
Just the feeling is not interesting.
colion noir
And it wasn't even like during a weird time.
Like I didn't go like during COVID or anything like that.
It was pretty normal time.
joe rogan
During COVID, they made some weird law in New York City where you're allowed to eat outside.
So they built indoor places outside.
So they basically built like these, like, there were like little trailers that they set up outside and they put, you know, dining tables in and nice lighting and shit.
Yeah, New York City drivers will have to pay $15 to ride through Manhattan.
Yeah.
colion noir
I did not know that.
joe rogan
You have to pay money to drive to the city.
colion noir
Oh, this is new!
joe rogan
Yeah, yeah, yeah.
They're out of money.
colion noir
Yeah, well, yeah, this is what happens when you make stupid policy decisions.
joe rogan
Yeah, you make terrible policy decisions and you say that you're a sanctuary city and then Texas goes, okay, great!
It's kind of a gangster move by Abbott.
It's pretty gangster.
If you're dealing with the border, and the border is where you are, and everyone's like, we are a sanctuary.
Like, oh, are you?
Wonderful.
I got an idea.
What is going on?
Have you been paying attention to this standoff between Texas and the Biden administration in terms of the border?
Like, Texas has put up barbed wire, and the Biden administration wants the barbed wire taken down.
colion noir
I'll be honest and tell you, I haven't been following it super close, which is odd because I'm Texas born and raised.
And the weird thing is, is living in Dallas, you're almost still kind of disconnected from what's going on at the border a little bit because you're so far north.
But even in Houston, because you know I'm in Houston a lot too, it's not something that you're confronted with daily.
But, but, anybody from Texas usually at some point in time, at some point in time.
joe rogan
What was that?
jamie vernon
Sorry.
colion noir
At some point in time you're gonna go you're gonna go towards the border.
Yeah, and you're gonna see it for yourself But what I do know of it I mean at this point we I mean We're trying not to lose control of it essentially from what I can gather what is happening I don't know whose idea is it isn't in terms of what who's letting this happen?
Like who's it seems very organized these people know the borders open so they know they could just walk through I think I think there's a lot of virtue signaling, I think, involved in all of the whole, like you talking about with New York saying, you know, we're a sanctuary city.
Just, yes, we accept everyone to come in, just not our state and our city, right?
And so I think you have that combined with the reality of what happens when you have a border that honestly is not being...
Checked.
Right?
So if you have a situation where you have people who are able to just come in and leave as they, I wouldn't necessarily say leave, but coming into a state, and it's a choke point because a lot of it is coming in through Texas.
So it's easy to have that philosophy of, oh, leave the border, don't make the border, get rid of the barbed wire, et cetera, et cetera, et cetera, because we want to seem as if We are welcoming to everyone.
And I don't think it's a matter of not wanting to be welcoming.
I think it has a lot to do with the same reason why you have a front door with locks on it on your house.
At least have a checkpoint to say, okay, well, if you want to come in, I need to know who I'm dealing with.
joe rogan
Well, did you see they had this one guy that was on video that he said, you will see who I am soon.
And then they found out he's on like some terrorist watch list or something like that.
colion noir
Yeah.
joe rogan
Oh, terrific.
colion noir
But that doesn't surprise me, though.
joe rogan
Well, it doesn't surprise me either, but it seems too convenient that it's happening with the numbers that it's happening.
It seems organized.
And I would like to know, like, how is it getting to those people?
Is anyone supplying them with resources?
Is anyone telling them how to do it?
Is this organized?
colion noir
I think it is.
Do I have any proof or data to back it up?
No, it's a hunch.
Yeah.
Just because it just doesn't really make sense.
I don't think anybody who's honestly being honest with themselves...
You're not going to be someone who says, you know what, I just want an open border where any and everyone can come in at will without anybody checking who's actually coming into the country.
joe rogan
No, it's insane.
colion noir
It makes no sense.
joe rogan
It's insane.
It's not the case if you fly in, which is nuts.
So if you're coming from some country and you...
If you want to emigrate to the United States, it's hard.
You have to prove that you have some sort of exceptional skill.
There's some reason for you to be here.
You get a work visa.
You have to apply for citizenship.
colion noir
I mean, let's just keep it real.
There are a lot of people who just don't like this country.
joe rogan
Yeah.
colion noir
And they would love to get into the country and cause damage to the country any way they can.
joe rogan
Yes.
colion noir
So I think for anyone to say that they are for open borders...
joe rogan
At least there's got to be a percentage of the people that are coming across that we don't want here.
There has to be.
colion noir
I mean, that's just reality.
joe rogan
Just reality.
colion noir
Yeah.
joe rogan
Yeah.
And as much as you want to be a kind person, look, I am the grandchild of immigrants.
None of my family came from America.
They all came from Italy and Ireland.
They all came over here.
colion noir
My parents are immigrants.
joe rogan
Yeah.
So it's like, we're not anti-immigration.
But it just seems like, god damn, you got to make sure you're not letting terrorists in.
It seems so simple.
colion noir
Yeah, but like I said, I think a lot of it has to do, I think there's some grandstanding and there's some virtue signaling going on as well.
I think the administration honestly is trying to walk that line of, no, we're so progressive, while at the same time honestly trying to stick it to Texas.
Yeah.
It's a dick-swinging competition at this point.
joe rogan
Why would you have a dick-swinging competition about the border?
That seems so insane that you would want people to take down a barrier to entry.
colion noir
You know what I think?
What?
I think it has a lot to do with Trump.
Because, you know, when he was running his campaign, he was running a lot of it based on the idea he was going to build that wall and border.
And so that became a separation point for a lot of people in the country with respect to what side they fell on.
And I think there's a particular party in this country that utilized it as a lightning rod to create that level of division.
And so I think they're kind of trying to reestablish that again.
joe rogan
Which is one of the things that's even more gangster about...
Abbott sending people to Chicago, sending people to New York.
Because in Chicago, they're like, get these fucking people out of here.
And the people that live in Chicago, the poor people in Chicago, like, this is bullshit.
These people are getting money.
They're getting all this help.
They're getting food.
They're getting all this stuff that we don't have.
colion noir
Yeah, people literally in the place who live there.
joe rogan
Their whole lives.
And then all of a sudden these people sneak in and they're getting this special treatment.
colion noir
I think there's also a level of...
Trying to pass the buck a little bit or kind of a mass distraction because when you look at these major cities and you see the conditions that a lot of these people are living in in our own country, right?
You start to ask yourself, okay, well, why are these conditions?
Why do they exist, right?
And they're a very particularized area and very particular places within this country.
So it begs the question, it's like, why can't we fix this issue?
They're talking about how we want to help these people.
They want to come into the country because they're running away from a shitty life and in terrible environments.
I mean, you mean the ones that are synonymous to the ones that we actually have in the country as well, but yet we haven't been able to address that issue?
joe rogan
Exactly.
colion noir
Exactly.
But I think it's a way to kind of push that to the side and sweep it under the rug and say, no, it's a sexier problem to have when we're trying to deal with people coming from other countries and we want to help them because we're so noble and so brave.
But I'm like, you haven't even taken care of what's going on in your own home.
joe rogan
And part of the reason why the place they are at sucks, the reason why they come over here is because of what we're doing to those countries.
colion noir
They know that.
joe rogan
Yeah, there's part of that, too.
I mean, it's part of, like, when we shipped all those fucking jobs overseas and these people were making pennies on the dollar to make goods that we can buy here slightly cheaper.
colion noir
Yeah.
joe rogan
And we destroyed unions and destroyed American manufacturing.
colion noir
You know, I... I'm not going to go so far as to say a little bit of that is our fault as well as consumers.
Because when you do try to make stuff in America, they're going to be more expensive.
You know what I mean?
And a lot of people aren't willing to pay that price hike in order to have stuff produced in America.
So basically companies become incentivized to then go and have these things created elsewhere because I've seen companies where they struggle because they're trying to make everything in America but that comes with a price that a lot of people aren't willing to pay.
And so I wonder How much, you know, it's kind of like with climate change.
It's like how much of that is affecting a lot of the manufacturing and so forth going overseas?
joe rogan
Some of it is, but there's enough people that want to buy American-made products from people that get paid a fair wage that if you advertise that and make that...
colion noir
A lot of people say they do.
joe rogan
Well, a lot of people do look at Origin.
Origin can't keep clothes on the shelves.
Everything's flying off their boots, their clothes, their hunting gear.
They can barely keep them in stock.
Everybody wants it because it's 100% American.
colion noir
You think that's the only reason why?
joe rogan
What do you think it is?
colion noir
I don't know.
I'm not that familiar with Origin, honestly.
joe rogan
Well, Origin is my friend Jocko's company, and I'm a part of it, and I know that what they're doing is very popular.
And it's very popular because that's part of their mission statement.
Bring back American manufacturing.
Take pride in the fact that these things that you're wearing, these things that you purchase, these things you use every day, is 100% American-made.
Everything, down to the buttons, the threads, everything put together, all the cloth.
Everything's sourced from America.
colion noir
100%.
100%.
That's actually pretty damn impressive.
Pretty damn impressive.
joe rogan
The only thing they don't have from America, there's a part of a boot that you can only get in South America.
colion noir
Gotcha.
joe rogan
So even that's America.
It's just South America, but not United States.
But that's one piece, and they eventually are planning on figuring out a way to manufacture that piece.
colion noir
Is that where the name comes from, Morton?
joe rogan
I don't know.
colion noir
It fits.
joe rogan
It does fit.
Yeah, it does fit.
I don't know the origin of the name.
But I feel like if you had an American-made cell phone, I've been saying this forever.
Give me a fucking iPhone that's made by people that aren't working for slave wages.
Give me an iPhone that's not made in a factory where people have nets around the building to keep people from jumping off the roofs because they hate their lives.
Give me a phone that you didn't get sourced the materials by slave labor in the Congo.
Can you fucking do that?
Is it possible to do that?
Because if it is, how much more is it?
Is it $300 more?
I'll pay $300 more for a phone that I know I don't have to feel like shit about.
colion noir
It begs the question, though.
You and I, yeah.
I would do it.
joe rogan
I think enough people would.
colion noir
But I have the monetary ability to do it.
I wonder how much of, you know, the people who aren't necessarily in the economic position to pay, like to them, that's considerable markup, right?
joe rogan
Yeah.
colion noir
I wonder how much of that, I don't know, I wonder how much of that plays into a part of, you know, facilitating this kind of shipping or manufacturing everything overseas because they can build things cheaper and then people continue to buy it.
So maybe I take a step back and I say, all right, maybe it's not just a, oh yeah, they say they want American, but we aren't willing to pay for it.
Maybe some people, maybe a large part of people just can't.
I don't know.
joe rogan
A large percentage of people probably can't.
The people that are living check-to-check can't.
But there's enough people that are not living check-to-check that would feel better about buying something.
And maybe instead of buying an iPhone every year or a cell phone every year, Buy one every other year, every two years, every three years.
It's feasible.
colion noir
It makes sense.
No, granted, I'm guilty.
joe rogan
Dude, I got a fucking iPhone 11. I keep one of my phones is an iPhone 11. The motherfucker works perfect.
colion noir
Yeah, I'm literally the person you're talking about.
I upgrade my phone on the day the new one comes out to the minute.
joe rogan
I got 15. I have no reason to have this fucking phone.
There's no reason.
colion noir
Granted, I live and die by my...
These phones do everything for me now.
joe rogan
Yeah, me too.
colion noir
I have reached a point now where I'm kind of like, I don't want to upgrade, but for no other reason than I don't want to have to go through the update process.
The changeover process is really annoying.
joe rogan
It is weird.
Phone numbers get all fucked up.
Something happened where phone numbers got attached in iMessage to old emails of other people?
colion noir
Yeah.
I've had some really spooky stuff happen on my phones.
And I'm like, what the hell's going on here?
Like, I had a friend tell me.
He was like...
He's like, I called you and somebody else picked up.
Yeah, that happened to your friend too.
joe rogan
I go, dude, is this your phone number?
I go, bro, a woman answers the phone.
colion noir
That's exactly what happened to me.
joe rogan
What's that?
colion noir
I have no idea.
Maybe, I mean, I have.
I don't know.
I mean, at the end of the day, we are talking about devices, right, that are essentially supercomputers.
In our hands.
So maybe it's just the fault of the system that just, it's bound to happen, where you get this kind of cross-communication and it just can't keep up with it.
I forgot who the comedian was.
You know, he was talking about how impatient we are these days because it was one of my favorite bits because it's so true.
He's like, we get these cell phones and then the moment it stops working a little bit, we get pissed off and it's like it's sending...
Message to fucking space.
joe rogan
Oh, that's Louis CK. Louis CK, exactly.
colion noir
And so I was like, yeah, that's a very poignant point.
joe rogan
It's a very good point.
And yeah, I mean, it's easy to get annoyed at technology when it doesn't suit your needs, but it's just...
colion noir
Uconnect.
joe rogan
Yeah, the TRX. My TRX has this system.
I love the truck.
It's awesome.
But that system is whack.
You have one too, right?
The Uconnect is whack.
colion noir
I did a whole video on Instagram about it.
It's the worst infotainment system I've ever experienced in a vehicle.
joe rogan
It sometimes just doesn't connect to CarPlay.
colion noir
It's possessed.
I've literally driven 15 minutes, and it has connected and disconnected five times.
joe rogan
Oh, yeah.
colion noir
I'm like, this is...
And then I step on the gas and I hear that whine, and I don't forget about it.
joe rogan
Mine's at Hennessey right now.
They're replacing the screen or something.
Something is wrong with the screen.
It just shut off.
colion noir
I want to take mine at Hennessey.
I haven't done it yet.
It's addictive.
I want to get the unnecessary 1,000 horsepower pickup truck.
joe rogan
But the one that comes out of the factory is 700. What is wrong with mine?
colion noir
It's not, but I mean, America, right?
America.
joe rogan
You know how the Dodge Demon is a thousand horsepower, the new one?
They're making a 1700 horsepower Dodge Demon.
colion noir
I thought it was going to be the last one.
joe rogan
No, Hennessy is.
colion noir
Oh, Hennessy.
That's Hennessy.
Hennessy does shit like that.
unidentified
You're a psycho.
joe rogan
What a psycho.
Imagine getting a thousand horsepower two-door car and go, man, it needs more power.
colion noir
But it's amazing how accustomed you get to speed.
Like, you can get, like...
I mean, it probably takes all in all with consistent driving, I'd say about three weeks.
Before you're like...
I could use some more power.
joe rogan
That's the problem with Teslas.
colion noir
Yeah.
joe rogan
That's the problem with Teslas.
colion noir
I'm still...
joe rogan
I know you like engines, you like the sound, but if you go from that fucking car, go from the Plaid, the 0 to 60 in 1.9 seconds, silently, like a fucking time-traveling machine.
colion noir
I think I feel disconnected.
I think it freaked me out a little bit, because without the sound and the noise, it's kind of like...
joe rogan
Have you driven it?
Have you tried it?
colion noir
I've driven a Tesla...
Well, not a Plaid.
But I've driven one of the earlier model Teslas.
There are aspects to it, like I'm not anti-electric.
I'm just anti-get rid of ICE engines in order to bring in electric.
That's my issue.
I want a choice.
joe rogan
Well, Toyota's not going that way.
It's really interesting because they get a lot of pushback because of that.
Toyota is embracing hybrids.
They're like, this doesn't make any sense.
You want range, and with hybrids, you get all the range of a regular vehicle, but you get a lot of fuel economy, so you get more range, and you get also the option of extra power.
And that's one of the things that Honda did with their last NSX, which was one of the most underappreciated supercars that's ever existed.
That fucking last NSX was a monster.
colion noir
I took the life of McKenna understand why it didn't do well.
joe rogan
Because it's an Acura.
colion noir
Yeah, but everybody wets their pants over the older NSX. Yeah, but only car dorks like us.
Yeah, that's true.
joe rogan
Like, the average person does not wet their pants over an old NSX. They're like, what is this fucking old Honda?
colion noir
We're so branded and fine.
joe rogan
People are so branded.
Like, if you pull up in your Lamborghini, right?
That sick Lamborghini that you have?
That thing is like, goddamn.
If you're gonna spend that kind of money, that's the response you want.
colion noir
But it's still just an Audi.
joe rogan
It is an Audi, yeah.
Yeah, it is an Audi, kind of.
But that makes it better, because now it's actually reliable.
colion noir
Which is true.
I think one of the best marriages between car manufacturers was Audi and Lamborghini.
joe rogan
Yeah.
colion noir
Because everybody knew Lamborghinis were this unreliable but fantastically fun...
Beautiful pieces of shits, right?
And then you get the German engineering of Audi, and then you combine that with the flair and the pomp and circumstance that you get with the Italians, and it's just a beautiful marriage.
joe rogan
It's just, Lamborghini is like 10% too much douche.
colion noir
I know, that's why.
I literally, I literally decided to get one just for that.
I said I had some investments go well, and I was like, you know what?
joe rogan
Let's go.
Let's swing it.
Look at that intersex.
That is a fucking amazing car.
colion noir
It is, but I also think they took too many parts.
Because inherently, I think the silhouette is gorgeous, right?
But I still think there's a lot of it that screams Acura.
I know this sounds counterintuitive because it is one.
joe rogan
I know what you're saying.
It's not quite exotic enough.
Exactly.
colion noir
At least for the price point.
If they brought it and came in at a price point sub 100, they wouldn't be able to keep them.
joe rogan
They're still selling the R8. That's a fucking monster car too.
That's also a car that's not appreciated enough.
colion noir
I am a little kind of indifferent about the R8. Really?
Yeah, I drove one once and it just, I couldn't help but feel like, now keep in mind, in all fairness, it was the early, like, first generation R8. I haven't driven any of the newer generations.
joe rogan
My friend Everlast had one of the earlier ones.
It was pretty dope.
But that was back when it was new.
Is this the newest one?
unidentified
The one I'm on is a 23. God damn, that thing's sick.
joe rogan
What is that?
That's the next one?
Oh, it'll be fully electric.
jamie vernon
It's after the R8. Next supercar.
colion noir
I don't know about this old full electric shit.
Now, you know what?
I'm full of shit.
Because there is one car I drove that I was like, I actually want this.
joe rogan
What's that?
colion noir
The Taycan.
joe rogan
Oh, yeah.
colion noir
Taycan.
I was like, okay.
joe rogan
All right.
That's amazing.
colion noir
That I can...
Because it gave me...
It was still lacking on the sound aspect.
However, what it did do, it still gave me all the driving dynamics that you were used to with Porsche.
joe rogan
Yes.
colion noir
You get what I'm saying?
joe rogan
And the interior.
Exactly.
Yes.
The driving dynamics.
I've driven one.
It's amazing.
Amazing.
colion noir
I literally, my blood pressure just dropped the moment I got in the car.
joe rogan
Look at that thing.
They just know how to do interiors.
They know how to do ergonomics.
colion noir
Without being overboard.
joe rogan
And you can also get the Jetson sound.
What is the Mission E? Is that the two-door one?
Oh shit.
That looks like a four-door to me.
colion noir
Wait, what was that?
joe rogan
Maybe that was the concept.
colion noir
Or was that the concept for the original Taycan?
joe rogan
I believe they're coming out with a two-door Taycan.
But the sound, you can get Jetson sounds.
So when you hit the gas, the one I was in, it was like...
colion noir
I don't like that.
joe rogan
Yeah, you say that until you drive.
It sounds awesome.
colion noir
I like my cars sound like they're farting everywhere they go.
joe rogan
Look at that.
Electric sports sound off.
Yeah, so it just takes off silently and then sound on.
Come on, man.
That sounds amazing.
colion noir
See, the sound you made and then that sound are two different things.
joe rogan
Right, right.
That's my fault.
Come on, that sounds insane.
That sounds like you're in a goddamn spaceship.
It's a different kind of sound.
But even like the Porsche Turbo doesn't have the best sound.
colion noir
It doesn't, because I daily drive one.
And I love it.
joe rogan
It's so crazy fast.
colion noir
I got rid of the GT3 to get it, which is sacrilegious.
joe rogan
The difference in sound.
colion noir
Yeah, because the way that GT3 wails, it's awe-inspiring.
joe rogan
Yeah, it is.
It's part of the fun.
colion noir
But nothing can be...
And I'm going to do a video on this when I start my second YouTube channel.
I think the Porsche Turbo S is the greatest...
Daily driving supercar on the planet ever created.
joe rogan
And they have that marriage with Volkswagen.
unidentified
Yes.
joe rogan
Which is also kind of similar.
Yeah.
colion noir
But Porsche's always been...
They've always been Porsche.
joe rogan
They've always been reliable.
In terms of supercars, they're the most reliable by far.
colion noir
The most boring supercars, but the greatest.
unidentified
Well, not the GT3 or the GT3 RS. Okay, yeah, I'm not factoring in those.
colion noir
I look at those as more like track weapons.
joe rogan
Yeah, but they're still willing to make a 6-speed GT3. And then the ST, which is the new one that's 6-speed as well.
colion noir
I like the Sports Classic.
joe rogan
Yeah, that's nice too.
colion noir
Yeah, the 6-speed with the Ducktail.
joe rogan
Yeah, they're still willing to make some driver-centric cars.
And there's a giant market for them.
matty matheson
Like that GT3 Touring, they can't keep that in stock.
unidentified
Yeah.
colion noir
Even though I think the GT3 touring is kind of...
Maybe because I like the wing of the original GT3. So the last thing I want is one without the wing.
I'm like, if I'm going to do it without the wing, just give me a turbo.
joe rogan
Spoken like a true Lamborghini driver.
colion noir
I mean, pretty much.
Pretty much.
joe rogan
Yeah.
There's a bunch of cars that just don't get their deserve, what they deserve, you know?
Yeah, I mean, I went down a rabbit hole last night with the Lexus LC 500. See, you say that, I hear LFA. LFA's amazing.
But people are doing wild shit with the LC 500 where they're putting wide body kits on them and straight pipes and they sound insane.
colion noir
Well, I think that's because of the LFA. Because I think once the LFA didn't do as well as they expected it to do, because again, I think they just overpriced it.
Because the market just wasn't ready for a fucking, what was it, like $200,000?
unidentified
More.
colion noir
I think it was more.
Well, now it is.
joe rogan
Yeah.
But I think even out of the box, I think it was three.
colion noir
Oh, it was like three?
Yeah.
See, and for Lexus, that's still pushing it.
joe rogan
That's the thing.
It's a label thing, right?
Like, if you want to pull up in a $300,000 car, it's going to be a Ferrari.
colion noir
Exactly.
It's how they got away with selling to yours.
joe rogan
Yeah.
Look at that.
Look at that motherfucker.
colion noir
Okay, that almost looks like an 812. Look at that fucking thing.
joe rogan
That's with the wide body kit on it.
That's amazing.
colion noir
That is pretty badass.
joe rogan
Yeah, but you can only get that up to like 550 horsepower with a lot of modification.
colion noir
Are they turbo?
joe rogan
No, it's a V8, but it sounds incredible.
colion noir
Natural aspirated?
joe rogan
Yes.
colion noir
Oh, okay.
joe rogan
Yeah, it sounds incredible.
And the interior is insane.
colion noir
Lex has always done interiors.
joe rogan
See if you can find a video of one with a wide body, because there's some awesome videos of them.
Because there's a lot of people doing these now.
Because they've been out for like, what, like six, seven years now?
unidentified
Yeah.
joe rogan
There's a lot of people doing wide body kits with them.
colion noir
That's kind of a nasty setup.
joe rogan
That's a nasty looking car, man.
Ew.
unidentified
Ew.
joe rogan
But with the wide body setup, you're getting a wider stance, you're getting wider fat tires.
colion noir
I'm not a fan of the wing.
joe rogan
The wing's polarizing.
colion noir
I think wings are 50-50.
They either work or they don't.
joe rogan
I think it looks great on black cars.
colion noir
Yes.
joe rogan
I think if you get it on the white car, it looks a little sus.
colion noir
Yeah, it's a little too disjointed.
joe rogan
But I saw one that was matte black with a wing.
It looked fucking insane with the wide body kit.
And then he had it set up with a remote control for the pipes.
So you could have it even more silent than stock.
You could have it like it is stock or you could have straight pipes.
Yeah.
colion noir
I've never ever put...
I've never done aftermarket exhaust on any car I've ever owned.
joe rogan
Really?
colion noir
No.
I never get to it.
I'm a car whore.
joe rogan
So you swap them out?
colion noir
Yes.
But the thing is, I do a bunch of other stuff, right?
I'll tune them.
I'll wrap them.
I'll put all types of security features.
All that crap.
Radar detectors, blockers, all that nonsense.
But then when it's time to get ready to do the aftermarket exhaust...
I'm like, ooh, what's that?
joe rogan
There's some California fucking politician that was just trying to pass a bill to make it so you can't go more than 10 miles an hour over the speed limit in a car.
colion noir
Yeah, he should be fired.
joe rogan
He's also one of the same guys that was a part of...
There was this very controversial LBG... This guy.
Is this it?
California bill calls for tech to make new cars unable to speed.
Now, who is the guy?
Who is the guy who's at the head of it?
Yes, Wiener.
colion noir
He would be called that.
joe rogan
But this guy is also the same guy that was pushing for some very controversial law about...
So there's a difference between...
Yeah, Scott Wiener.
He's kind of a freak.
Scott Wheeler's kind of a freak.
There's pictures of him with a dog collar on at a gay pride parade.
colion noir
Oh, I know who you're talking about.
joe rogan
Exactly.
colion noir
Yeah, that guy.
joe rogan
So that guy was also part of some very...
That's him.
colion noir
He looks like a skinnier version of Jerry from Subway.
joe rogan
So he's got a leather vest on with a tie with no shirt at the gay pride parade, which is, you know, have a good time.
colion noir
Do you.
joe rogan
Who cares?
Have a good time.
colion noir
But you're pushing it with this over...
joe rogan
But it was a very controversial bill that people were trying to misinterpret, but it was about age of consent.
And they were saying that age of consent, that there was some part about the way the law was structured that was discriminating against LBGT people.
colion noir
Okay.
joe rogan
Yeah, that's what I thought.
I was like, what are you trying to say?
Apparently, there's some discretion.
With age gaps when it comes to heterosexual couples.
So, like, say if, like, a girl is 16 in California, she'd be underage, and a boy's 18. What if they start dating when the boy was 17, the girl was 15, and the guy turns 18?
It's technically illegal.
So if they go to a judge, like, a judge could say, listen, this is not a pedophile, this is a young couple.
But if the guy's 40 and the girl's 16, now you got a real problem.
colion noir
So that's interesting you say that because I got into kind of a little bit of shit in my law school class when I was in law school one time when we were talking about statutory rape.
So, statutory rape is a strict liability crime, basically.
There's no excuse for it.
She can have a fake ID, she can look 30 years old, give you all the signals that she's of age.
And if she's underage, you're fucked.
Right.
Regardless, right?
joe rogan
Right.
Even if they lie.
colion noir
Yeah.
And I didn't think that was fair, personally.
And there are very few people in my lawsuit class who agreed with me with respect to that.
I understand the reasoning behind it, but I mean, at that point, That person's life is done, especially considering if...
I've known of girls and women who have gone to great lengths to mask their age and to be deceptive about it and lie about it to people.
And then if somebody succumbs to that, now not only do they go to jail, now they're a sex offender for the rest of their lives.
joe rogan
Well, to your point, I have a friend and his sister's friends...
They're in California.
His sister's friends are 15, and he's got this giant issue because the 15-year-old friends are using fake IDs and going to LA clubs.
They're fucking sophomores in high school, and they're getting into LA clubs with fake IDs.
colion noir
And you wouldn't be able to tell just by the time.
joe rogan
You cannot tell.
When they've hit puberty, and they're wearing makeup, and they're wearing sexy clothes, and they're going out.
Sorry to say sexy about a 15-year-old kid.
You know what I'm saying?
Provocative clothing.
colion noir
From a stereotypical aspect of understanding what sexy clothes look like.
joe rogan
Like that.
And if you're a guy and you don't know any better, that's crazy.
colion noir
Yeah.
And we're not even talking like they're 15 and they look 17. Right.
They look like 25. Yeah.
joe rogan
You can be very deceptive.
As a young person, if you're properly dressed and if you have good genetics.
colion noir
At the same time, I still understand the basis behind the strict liability aspect of the law as well because it's like you want to go above and beyond to protect the youth.
joe rogan
100%.
colion noir
So at the time, I guess I didn't articulate it the right way.
All I was saying was like, that doesn't seem fair.
I understand it.
There needs to be some type of discernment given with respect to the context, the entire context of the situation.
joe rogan
Well, there's some wild, unfair laws in California, and one of them has to do with whether or not you are the father of a child.
So, I know a guy, and he unfortunately had a good friend who fucked his wife.
And he did not know this was happening.
And this good friend got his wife pregnant and he raised that kid as his daughter.
And he didn't know until after his friend was dead.
His friend died.
And then after his friend was dead, he was stuck.
Paying child support until that kid was 18, no matter what.
Even though he got a paternity test, it was like something's going on.
Got a paternity test, found out it was his friend's kid.
Devastating, right?
Your friend's dead.
He was your best friend.
Now he's dead, and you're raising his fucking kid.
And you have to pay for it.
So he tried to appeal.
No, fuck you.
You have to pay.
But part of me is also like, listen, you don't have to be a biological father to love a child.
And I have a stepdaughter.
I love her like my daughter.
If I was in that situation, I would want to still pay for that girl.
I wouldn't want to give any fucking money to that woman, though.
colion noir
Yeah.
joe rogan
So if you have to give that woman money and then she distributes it, that's where it gets weird.
Because it's up to their discretion.
When you pay child support...
colion noir
Oh yeah, it goes straight to them.
joe rogan
It goes to the mom.
The mom can buy shoes.
She can go buy a purse.
She doesn't have to do anything with the kid.
Especially if she has a job already.
So the idea is you're compensating her for the fact that you have a child together.
But it's up to her discretion.
colion noir
If we're just going to be honest.
Child support, by and large, it's a business relationship between the mother...
Most times, between the mother and the state.
Because it's not like the child support office doesn't take a portion of the money that's being paid.
joe rogan
Right.
colion noir
Right?
So they're incentivized to have as many people on child support as possible, regardless of the context and the situation.
So the state is not your friend in that respect.
So understanding that, it just blows my mind that you can have a situation like that where he doesn't even have a choice in the matter.
joe rogan
Right.
colion noir
Right?
Because there'll be a good number of men who would say, you know what?
I don't like it.
I'm done fucking with you as far as the mother, but I still want to do what I can to help with the child.
When you put him in a position where he doesn't even have a choice in the matter...
joe rogan
Well, the dude that we're talking about was struggling, too.
My man was struggling.
He was not...
And he's gone, too, now, so I can talk about this.
But he was struggling.
He was not doing well.
And he had a monthly nut that he was obligated to pay.
And he tried to...
His career was in the shitter.
It wasn't going well.
And he had monthly...
And he could get jailed.
colion noir
That's crazy!
joe rogan
Everything's crazy about it.
It was his friend.
Everything's awful about it.
colion noir
I'm laughing to avoid getting pissed.
joe rogan
I'll tell you who it is afterwards because it's going to blow your mind.
But remind me.
But the whole story behind it is so sad because the guy loved his friend and then after the friend's dead, he finds out the friend fucked his wife and got her pregnant and then he was raising that kid as his own.
So much of it is awful.
colion noir
Yeah, and then nothing, I think, I think, I don't know, I think if that's the, I think the woman should be forced to pay alimony to the husband.
In that situation.
joe rogan
I don't know.
I don't know about alimony, but I just don't.
colion noir
I just think there should be some level of punishment as a result of it.
If you're going to force him to pay child, now it's probably going to end up canceling yourself out, right?
Because it's kind of backwards.
It's just me wanting some type of retribution for him.
joe rogan
Right.
colion noir
Because it's like, she just gets away with this scot-free.
Like, there's nothing.
joe rogan
She didn't just get away with it.
She enforced it.
She went to court for it.
colion noir
Come on.
joe rogan
After the fact, she went to court and won.
colion noir
Come on.
joe rogan
I know it's so awful.
And meanwhile, this guy is living with the heartbreak of his friend's betrayal, his friend's death first, then his friend's betrayal, and then his wife's betrayal, and then the financial obligation that he has that he can't afford.
It gets even worse in Canada.
Dave Foley, my friend from News Radio, when he was married, his wife and him got divorced when he was at the peak of his career.
So he's making the most money he's ever going to make.
He's on a sitcom.
It's his sitcom.
He's doing really well.
And he had a certain amount that he had to pay.
And in Canada, when his income dropped substantially, because, you know, you just can't have a fucking sitcom all the time.
If you're lucky, you get one your whole life.
The judge said to him, your ability to pay has no relationship to your obligation to pay.
So this exorbitant amount of money that he was paying, because at one point in time he was doing really well, that is how much you have to figure out how to make forever.
colion noir
Or what?
joe rogan
Or you go to jail.
colion noir
You see how stupid that is?
joe rogan
It's crazy.
colion noir
It's dumb.
So if the point of...
God, I'm blanking out here.
If the point of child support is so that the child is supposed to be in the best interest of the child and making sure the child is provided for, why would you then create the very circumstance that would inevitably end up ripping the father away, not only just the father, but then also the money that could be going to the child, whether or not it's the actual amount you established beforehand or not?
joe rogan
Right.
colion noir
Just lower the damn payments.
If you have justification for determining, you know what, he can't make these payments anymore, let's lower it to a payment he can make while still allowing the father to be in a child's life and have some type of money going in, do that shit.
joe rogan
Yeah.
colion noir
Like, just arbitrary idea that, no, we set a million dollars for you to pay every month to this child.
You can't pay for it.
We're going to throw you in jail because it's in the best interest of the child.
Don't get me started on this joke.
Don't get me started on this joke.
joe rogan
It's like there's a lot of aspects of the law that were written in good faith that, like, child support is one of them.
colion noir
Yeah.
joe rogan
Like, if you're a father, fuck yeah, you should pay for your kids, 100%.
But then when you get into situations like, yeah, wait a minute, how much?
colion noir
Yeah.
joe rogan
100,000 a month?
colion noir
You don't need that.
joe rogan
Whatever it is.
Like, that's crazy.
colion noir
You don't need that.
joe rogan
Well, that's the weird thing about alimony as well.
You have to maintain the lifestyle.
So, like, someone becomes accustomed to a lifestyle.
Like, say if you're married to Bill Gates.
If you get divorced from Bill, say if you only married to Bill for a year or two.
If you get divorced, you're entitled to a large sum of money, unless there's some sort of prenuptial agreement, which I'm sure there is.
But if there's not, you're accustomed to a lifestyle.
She's used to caviar and private jets.
colion noir
Now you know why I live in Texas, brother.
It's a man state.
joe rogan
Well, it's a great state in a lot of ways.
And I was having a conversation with Ari today while I was trying to convince Ari to move here when we're at the range with him.
colion noir
Wait, hold on.
Was it really Ari's first time ever shooting?
joe rogan
I don't know if he's shot guns before.
I don't know.
colion noir
Because I think I remember him saying that.
joe rogan
It seemed like it was his first day, at first.
colion noir
And then, you're fucked up, dude.
If that's his first time shooting, and the first time he shoots is with staccatos, you're fucked up.
joe rogan
Oh yeah, I know, right?
colion noir
You're fucked up, bro.
joe rogan
You're so spoiled.
You're so spoiled that it's the smoothest shooting gun that's ever existed, if that's what you have.
jamie vernon
That's all I've ever shot.
joe rogan
That's true.
Yeah, Jamie's ruined.
Jamie has a staccato.
You have a CS, right?
I didn't get it yet.
Oh, you didn't get it yet?
colion noir
What are you doing, Jamie?
joe rogan
Oh, Jesus Christ.
colion noir
You gotta get on it, man.
joe rogan
I thought you got one.
jamie vernon
We were gonna, but...
joe rogan
Okay, listen.
colion noir
What are you carrying?
What are you carrying your little fanny pack?
CS. You carrying CS? Yeah.
See, I carry CS. I'm carrying CS right now.
joe rogan
CS is nice.
colion noir
Yeah.
joe rogan
So small and so light, and it's amazing.
colion noir
And it shoots so much bigger than...
unidentified
Oh, yeah.
colion noir
What it actually is.
So flat.
Yeah.
joe rogan
And the recoil is so non-existent.
It's so smooth in the hand.
colion noir
I love that.
joe rogan
When we went to the factory today, so we should tell everybody, we went to the Staccato factory and we toured it for an hour.
And I didn't even know we were going to tour the factory.
I thought we were just going to go to the range.
But they wanted to show.
They're so proud of their manufacturing process.
They wanted to show it to us.
It's amazing.
How much effort is into each gun and how much engineering.
colion noir
The enthusiasm they had for you today is the same enthusiasm when they were in that little tiny spot.
Because I did the tour when they were at the older building.
joe rogan
I did too.
colion noir
Oh, okay.
joe rogan
Yeah, I basically saw the same thing twice.
But now I see the big version of it.
It's pretty fucking amazing.
colion noir
It is.
joe rogan
It's amazing.
colion noir
I really genuinely love staccatos.
joe rogan
Well, I love engineering.
I love when someone just does something to the best they can do it.
When they're explaining that it's 24 hours of work just to port one piece.
And that they're literally down to the tolerance is one third of the width of a human hair.
That's their tolerance.
Anything more than that, they throw it away.
colion noir
That's crazy.
My brain can't even really fathom that shit.
joe rogan
And when you see all the computer-controlled machinery and all this shit, yeah, this is the manufacturer.
This is the old one.
That's the...
colion noir
Is it?
Yeah, that's the old shop.
joe rogan
I think it's the old shop.
What year is this video from?
colion noir
Go pull my video up.
I did a video on it.
joe rogan
Yeah.
I think the video...
colion noir
Put Koleon Noir, GT3, Staccato.
It should...
Oh, no, no, no.
Go back, go back.
No, type GT3. Because what I did is I drove from Dallas to Georgetown.
joe rogan
The XC? There we go.
Well, you were just saying the XT's your favorite.
That's my favorite, too.
The XC's insane.
It's so good.
So that's when you went to...
That's when it was just...
That was the beginning of it.
Yes, yes.
colion noir
That's when they...
Yeah, because we drove down there with Dallas Porsche Park Place.
unidentified
And...
colion noir
Yeah, so this is the new place.
No, that's the old place.
joe rogan
Oh, that's the old place.
colion noir
That's the old place, yeah.
joe rogan
It looks exactly like the new place.
colion noir
I can't remember when I did this video.
It was like two years ago?
Two and a half years ago?
A year ago?
Okay.
Yeah.
But yeah, no, I love the XC. When it came out, I think I was one of the first people to do a video on it.
That's when I went and shot at their facility when it was still a ghetto.
I remember I was like, thank God for this.
For me, when I carry a firearm, comfort and shootability are major.
And I'm not saying other guns I can't shoot.
I can shoot them well.
But 2011's just does such a great job of bringing out the best shooter in you.
Right.
Because people like to say that a gun, a high-speed, a high-expensive gun can't make you shoot better.
I disagree.
joe rogan
It's not true.
colion noir
Yeah.
I think whatever your skill level is with a non-2011, I think a 2011 will raise it in terms of shootability because they're so easy to shoot.
I call them cheat codes.
joe rogan
Yeah, and with a red dot.
unidentified
Exactly.
colion noir
You throw a red dot on there and it's just game over.
Yeah.
joe rogan
I mean, we're shooting those plates.
It's just ding, ding, ding, ding, ding.
unidentified
Exactly.
colion noir
So now think about a self-defense situation.
Think about how revved up you're going to be.
Your adrenaline's dumping.
The last thing you need to be worried about are your shooting fundamentals.
Right.
You just want to feel comfortable and know, I can do that with this gun to protect myself.
joe rogan
Yes.
colion noir
And that's it.
Call it a day.
unidentified
Yeah.
colion noir
And that's why I really love, love...
So I carry it majority of the time unless I can't because of what I'm wearing.
Because I have a whole rotation of guns that I carry based on what I'm wearing.
But by and large, if I'm going to go to something initially, it's going to go to that first.
And then if I can't, then I'll go to something else.
joe rogan
Have you seen that concealed carry holster?
It goes deep under your pants and you have like a leather strap and you pull it up and it raises up.
colion noir
What do you think about that?
I'm not a fan.
So I'm...
I've tried so many variations of different ways to carry.
I've even done your way with the fanny pack deal.
And I like that for when I'm running, right?
And I know I poke fun at it, but largely the reason why I don't like it day to day is because I don't really like having a lot of stuff on my waist.
I like to just have one single thing, especially if it's kind of big, so I like to minimize the footprint.
Because I'm usually, like, I'm in sweats 90% of the time, right?
So, like, with these sweats that I'm wearing right now, like, they're designed for that.
And so I just take, I have my gun, I have the belt.
Dump them in the pants.
I'm good to go.
And they're comfortable as shit.
And so for me, that's 99.9% of the way that I carry.
Unless it's like in a bag or something.
joe rogan
It's funny that this conversation is so normal with you and I. But if you have this conversation with people from California, they'll look at you like you're fucking insane.
But you carry a gun?
colion noir
Yeah.
joe rogan
Well, it's also like there's a reality, like here's one thing, like constitutional carry.
When my friends from California found out that constitutional carry was passed in Texas, so anyone can conceal carry, as long as you're not a criminal.
When they saw that, they're like, what?
Are you crazy?
But wasn't that recently just passed in Ohio and crime went down?
colion noir
Went down.
joe rogan
Yes.
Which is interesting.
colion noir
Because it's a counterintuitive logic, right?
Because if your starting point is, if you make guns illegal, then nobody will have guns.
Then, yeah, I guess you could make the argument that...
joe rogan
Yeah, if nobody broke the law ever.
Exactly, right?
Including criminals?
unidentified
Exactly.
joe rogan
What a fucking naive perspective.
colion noir
But people think like that.
joe rogan
Right, but if you think you're going to rob anybody, and then now all of a sudden there's a constitutional carrying, anyone can have a gun on them.
colion noir
That means your job as a criminal has become substantially harder.
joe rogan
Substantially.
colion noir
Yeah, because criminals don't want to die either.
Right.
Right.
And criminals are largely looking for easy targets.
Like if you're going to go into the business of crime, you don't want it to be hard because if you did, you would just get a normal job.
joe rogan
Right.
colion noir
Right.
So from that perspective, if they don't know who's carrying, it makes your job substantially harder as a criminal to find actual victims.
And not only that, and I just did a video recently where it's not even the person you're trying to rob or do something to you have to worry about.
You have to worry about the people who may see it.
Because in this particular situation, it was at a gas station, guy runs up on him, starts pistol whipping him, and the guy in another car saw it happen and started shooting at the guy.
He didn't shoot.
He killed him.
And so now you have to start thinking, shit, I'm like, I gotta find either a different place to go to to start looking for victims, or I gotta find a new career path.
I mean, it just is what it is.
It's just logic.
Now, I'm not saying all crime is going to go away.
I'm not saying that.
joe rogan
But if everyone's heavily armed, you're way less likely.
It sounds so...
colion noir
It sounds counterintuitive.
joe rogan
It sounds not just counterintuitive, but it also sounds anti-progressive in terms of society and people being civilized.
It sounds anti-civilized.
The idea that everyone having a gun...
colion noir
What does that mean?
Who said that pacifism was supposed to be the definition of civility?
joe rogan
Right.
Well, that's also, like, if you're not able to protect yourself, that doesn't make you a more virtuous person.
It doesn't.
And a virtuous person with a gun does not have different objectives.
You're still the same person.
colion noir
Exactly.
joe rogan
You're still a good person, but you also are protected.
You have something that if the shit hits the fan...
colion noir
That you can protect yourself with.
joe rogan
That's my perspective.
colion noir
I do think that there are a lot of people who are anti.
It's projection.
I've seen this and what the projection is is largely because inevitably you talk to them long enough They'll tell you I don't trust myself with the firearm.
So why would I trust you?
joe rogan
Yes, that's it, right?
They don't want other people to have guns.
I've heard that before By the way, those people when the shit hit the fan in LA Those were people asking me for guns.
Yeah, I had friends asking me Can I borrow a gun?
colion noir
Yeah, that don't surprise me at all.
joe rogan
I go, well, if you lived in Texas, I just give you one.
I just give you a gun.
colion noir
Exactly.
But I can't because of the laws.
joe rogan
Yeah.
colion noir
Yeah.
But I mean, it's easy to call it delusion, but that's essentially what it is.
It is delusion.
It's delusion, right?
And we have it too easy.
joe rogan
Yeah.
colion noir
You know, we live in probably the best times that you could possibly live as a human on Earth right now.
Yeah, I agree.
Maybe like five years ago was better.
Yeah, yeah, yeah.
unidentified
Okay, that's true.
colion noir
That's true.
joe rogan
Pre-COVID, pre-economy crash.
colion noir
We live in relative peace.
joe rogan
Relative peace.
I mean, on a curve, it's pretty...
I mean, if you look at a graph over the history of the Mongol invasion, the Inquisition.
colion noir
Yeah, think about the shit we were doing.
I'm like, dude, I don't want to live in a different era.
No.
I don't want to live in a different era.
Like, I love the 80s.
I love the 80s to death.
I'm an 80s boy.
I would not want to live in the 80s.
unidentified
Fuck that.
joe rogan
Imagine driving those stupid cars.
Oh my god.
colion noir
They have personality though.
They have personality.
joe rogan
The fuck out of here.
colion noir
Cars had personality.
joe rogan
Bro, if I lived in the 80s, I'd have a 1960s car.
unidentified
100%.
joe rogan
Because in the 1980s, I had a 1960s car.
100%.
colion noir
I always talk myself out of getting one of those old school muscle cars.
Every time I want one, but I always talk myself out of it.
joe rogan
Bro, drive one of mine.
Next time.
Next time you come into town, drive my Camaro.
colion noir
Okay.
joe rogan
Yeah, what you want is a Restomont.
colion noir
Okay.
joe rogan
Jamie, pull up my 1969 Roadster Shop Camaro.
unidentified
Let me see this shit.
joe rogan
Let me see.
Let you see this.
Murdered out 1969 Camaro with 850 horsepower.
colion noir
Oh, nice.
joe rogan
And a modern suspension and big ass fat tires.
unidentified
Jeremy Gerber, co-owner of...
joe rogan
That's my car.
Oh, God.
Volume.
Volume.
Jesus.
That's my car.
colion noir
Dude, that is literally how I would do it.
Yes!
joe rogan
That's how you do it.
colion noir
That is...
joe rogan
Listen to that motherfucker.
unidentified
Whee!
Oh, yeah.
colion noir
That is sexy.
joe rogan
And that car drives like a modern car.
Like, that car has incredible brakes, incredible handling.
colion noir
Six feet?
unidentified
Yes!
joe rogan
What am I, a communist?
colion noir
Stop it!
joe rogan
Come on, man.
If you're gonna get one of those cars...
I mean, I don't hate one of those cars in an automatic, but I always like...
colion noir
I mean, I get it.
I think if I had...
That is beautiful, man.
joe rogan
Yeah, man.
You could drive one of these, too.
colion noir
You would love it.
HRE wheels?
joe rogan
Yes.
Yeah.
Yeah.
colion noir
Oh, yeah.
joe rogan
Giant fat tires.
colion noir
Then again, this is cheating.
I don't get any other color car but black.
So you can usually make me happy if you murder anything out.
joe rogan
Don't make me pull up my 1970 Silver Barracuda, because you'd change your tune on that.
colion noir
Let me see that.
joe rogan
Okay, Jamie.
Because I got another Roadster shop car.
Really?
Yeah, I have three Roadster shop cars, and one of them is a 1970 Barracuda.
This is my Barracuda.
Wait till you see this motherfucker.
Come on, son.
colion noir
That interior's nice.
joe rogan
Listen to this.
colion noir
That is some real restomachin. - Yeah.
unidentified
Yeah.
I see what you're saying.
joe rogan
That has a Mercury racing engine in it that goes to 9,000 RPM. Yeah.
Yeah, it sounds like an exotic.
Yeah.
colion noir
Okay.
joe rogan
All right.
Could you see it on the road?
Let me see it driving.
Give me some volume on this.
Also, it has a...
It has a rear transaxle, so it's 50-50 weight distribution.
colion noir
Oh, that sounds beautiful.
joe rogan
Don't tell me you wouldn't drive a silver car.
Come on, bro.
colion noir
I would.
unidentified
I would just wrap it black.
Listen...
joe rogan
I love that car the way it is, but if that car was in matte black, it would be fucking sick.
Matte black?
colion noir
I'm matte black everything.
joe rogan
Yeah, matte black is nice.
colion noir
I'm matte black everything.
joe rogan
It's nice.
colion noir
It's the only color I like.
joe rogan
Yeah, matte is...
colion noir
I do like white.
I like white with black wheels.
joe rogan
Did you matte black your Lamborghini?
colion noir
Oh, not yet.
It will be.
joe rogan
Is it shiny right now?
colion noir
It's shiny right now.
joe rogan
Still not shiny.
colion noir
I probably won't have it.
joe rogan
Nighttime in the city?
colion noir
I probably won't have it longer than a year.
joe rogan
Really?
colion noir
Yeah, I mean, that's what I do.
I get rid of it, and that's, like, basically drove it for free and then get something else.
joe rogan
That's good, too, so you don't experience the bullshit.
colion noir
Yeah, I didn't realize that until, like, I always think cars are just depreciating assets.
Not if you buy them right.
joe rogan
Not exotics.
colion noir
Yeah, not exotics.
joe rogan
You actually make money if you buy Ferraris.
Is that yours?
colion noir
Yeah, that's my Turbo S. That's before I wrapped it black.
Right now it's gloss black.
joe rogan
Yeah, but look at that thing.
My god.
colion noir
I just love the stance.
The stance is so sexy.
joe rogan
Well, it's also as fast as you can get an internal combustion engine car.
It's like basically electric car speeds, but with superior handling.
The way that thing handles, it's like it's a cheetah running up a tree.
colion noir
But like I told you, how quickly we get used to it.
I'm already talking about tuning it.
I want to tune it.
joe rogan
That's nuts.
colion noir
It's, you know, it's dumb.
I mean, I did, the last time I came, I came to Austin, I think it was like on a day, you know, a recent freeze.
Well, it was supposed to be a freeze.
joe rogan
Yeah.
colion noir
And it didn't really happen the way everybody thought it was going to happen.
It wasn't like a freeze at Armageddon.
So I came, why did I come to Austin?
I forgot.
I came here for something.
Oh yeah, it was to look at the car.
To look at the Lambo or whatever.
And so I drove in the middle of the night.
And I drove from Dallas to Austin.
And I think I averaged speed-wise.
joe rogan
Don't say it over there.
colion noir
Huh?
joe rogan
You're gonna get in trouble.
colion noir
How?
Prove it.
joe rogan
He's lying right now.
So go ahead and lie.
unidentified
All right.
colion noir
So let's just say I maintain a really exciting Amount of speed that was within legal speed limits from Dallas to Austin in the most beautiful way possible.
And what blew my mind, and the beautiful thing about the Turbo S is even if it did start snowing or raining or whatever, It's all-wheel drive.
joe rogan
Yeah.
colion noir
So, but for like ice, right?
Because nothing, I mean, ice is ice.
joe rogan
It's not so good with snow either, with those fat tires.
colion noir
True, but I still have all-wheel drive.
unidentified
Yeah.
colion noir
So I could manage.
Yeah.
joe rogan
I'm worried about other people, especially people in Austin.
When we had the freeze here two years ago, I was watching people slide around.
I was like, you don't know what the fuck you're doing.
As a kid who grew up in Boston, I used to drive every day because I delivered newspapers.
So I had to drive 365 days a year.
So I know how to drive in snow.
I really know how to drive in snow.
colion noir
Did I tell you my story about the first time I ever had to drive in snow ice?
joe rogan
No.
colion noir
I never told you?
unidentified
No.
colion noir
Oh boy.
This was back when I was with the NRA. And so the NRA had their agency of record, which was Ackerman McQueen.
And so I was working through them, and one of the main offices in Oklahoma City.
So a lot of times they would have us go down to Oklahoma City for meetings and stuff like that.
And so at a Dallas office one time, I had like a 2000, I think it was a 2010 Range Rover, HSE, right?
Supercharged.
So we drove down there, and, you know, Oklahoma, they get real winters.
joe rogan
Yeah.
colion noir
Right?
Not like Dallas.
Dallas gets, like, half real winters, and then Houston gets fake winters.
So we finished the meeting early, and we were, like, he just didn't want to stay in Oklahoma City, me and my coworker at the time.
He and I were like, we don't want to stay here in Oklahoma City.
We just want to get back to Dallas.
How far is the drive?
About two and a half hours, three hours.
Oh, okay.
So, we were getting ready to get to, we were checking out our hotel, and then we were getting ready to get back on the road, and then the lady's like, you know, they closed the freeway down, you know, they like salting freeway or whatever, they closed whatever freeway down.
So we're like, we're cool, we'll just take the back roads.
Thinking we were being smart.
So we took the back, you know, they don't salt the back roads.
joe rogan
Yeah.
colion noir
So I'm in, and I'm like, I'm in a fucking Range Rover.
I'll be alright.
So I'm in a Range Rover, and it's ice.
It's not even snow.
It's really ice.
It's just, like, the whole world is just sheets of ice, right?
So I'm like, if I drive slow and careful, we'll be good.
So we're driving, we're driving.
And at a certain point, I realized it's probably not the smartest idea in the world, because now...
Usually it's kind of like patch of ice, regular road, patch of ice, regular road.
No, this was at a point now where it was like straight ice.
Remember, they don't salt the back roads.
So we're driving and there's like this embankment.
Like, yeah.
And I'm like, as long as I go slow, I should be good.
Keep in mind, I'm a novice at this.
I've never driven in this type of condition ever in my life.
So I'm just thinking, I'll have a Range Rover for a drive.
I'm not realizing your tires are what matter at the time.
And so at this point, we go on there and I can feel the car kind of shake a little bit.
And I'm like, okay, that's not good.
So just slow down a little bit.
And just keeps doing it, keeps doing it.
And then it snaps.
Car starts spinning on the embankment.
So now we're heading straight into the ditch.
So the truck is spinning.
We're heading into the ditch.
And we hit the ditch and I come in backwards.
unidentified
Ooh.
colion noir
And so you know those moments when shit happens and you just kind of have to sit there for a second to take it in and then figure out what the hell's going on?
That's what happened.
And in that time period, because in my mind I'm like, how the fuck are we going to get out of this?
This isn't like something I can drive out of.
joe rogan
You can freeze to death out there.
colion noir
Exactly.
And so we're sitting in there and I'm like, I don't know how we're going to get out of this.
And before I could finish the thought and process it, I looked to my right, and there's a big-ass tractor coming down the road.
And it was a guy who owned the farm who basically sat there and saw what happened.
joe rogan
Oh.
colion noir
Yeah, yeah, yeah.
joe rogan
I thought he was sliding in here.
colion noir
No, no, no, no, no, no.
He was coming to help us, to pull us out.
So he comes over, and he's like, looks like y'all are in a bit of a pickle.
And I was like, yeah, something like that.
And he goes...
Ain't this fancy truck four-wheel drive?
And I was like...
joe rogan
Four-wheel drive with sport tires.
colion noir
Exactly.
He was just giving me shit.
And so I was like, yeah.
And he just started laughing.
He's like, I'll have you out in five minutes.
So he hooked us up, pulled us out.
He's like, stay at the very top, ride that, and you'll be good.
So we did that.
But the thing is, ice was still there.
So that three-hour trip took us 10 hours.
joe rogan
Oh, my God.
colion noir
I think we did 10 to 15 miles an hour the entire way.
joe rogan
Lucky he didn't run out of gas, too.
colion noir
Exactly.
And the funny thing is, when we got back in the house, I dropped my coworker off at his place, and then as I was pulling up to my building, my brakes went out.
Just died?
Yeah.
Because I was riding them the entire way.
joe rogan
Oh, wow.
colion noir
And so I guess they were just like, we're done.
When I tell you they couldn't have gone out at a more perfect time, I pulled into my building, got into my parking spot, and as I was trying to pull into the parking spot, they just went out.
Now, I had enough friction to get it to slow down because I was at a slower speed, but at that point, so basically I had to use the handbrake.
unidentified
Wow.
Yeah.
jamie vernon
Did you see this video a couple days ago?
Missouri?
joe rogan
No.
jamie vernon
Fire truck on Icy Hill?
joe rogan
Oh, no.
colion noir
Oh, I did see this, yeah.
joe rogan
Oh, shit.
Oh, shit.
Look at her smoking.
Oh my god.
jamie vernon
It just smashed a car, though, luckily.
joe rogan
That hit a car?
jamie vernon
It just hit this parked car, that blue car right there.
unidentified
Oh, wow.
jamie vernon
It didn't hit anything else.
It's a different angle.
joe rogan
They got lucky.
jamie vernon
Yeah.
colion noir
Very lucky.
joe rogan
Look at that thing spin.
colion noir
Dude, and there's nothing you can do.
joe rogan
Nothing.
When I was a kid, I lived on a hill in Newton, Massachusetts, and me and my sister's boyfriend sat on the roof and watched people slide down our hill and crash.
We called the cops.
We said, hey man, you should probably close the street down.
Because there was like five cars in a row spun out, bounced off the curb, Went into ditches.
We're just watching people try to come down the hill and just slide completely out of control.
colion noir
Dude, and you made a good point.
Like now, I feel like I'm, you know, with all the traveling I do, I've driven from Dallas to Utah to New Mexico.
I've driven in ice, I've driven in snow.
So I'm pretty comfortable with it now, even though I still don't really like it.
joe rogan
There's nothing you can do about ice, though.
colion noir
There's nothing.
But there's also, what you pointed out, was other people.
unidentified
Yeah.
colion noir
So now that's what makes me nervous because I'm like, I remember when we had the freeze apocalypse or whatever in Dallas.
Yeah, I got in my truck and went out there and started kind of driving around because I kind of knew what I was doing.
But I was always constantly looking in my rearview mirror because there's going to be some dumbass who's going way too fast and doesn't realize that you can't stop at the same distance on ice patches and they're going to just ride into me.
And so I was like, this isn't fun anymore.
joe rogan
So I just went back and said, In Austin, they don't even have plows.
But that's crazy.
You should have a few.
It seems like it happens.
colion noir
Look, let me tell you, that Texas arrogance, 99% of the time it's a great thing.
There's that other 1% where it's like, alright, stop being stupid.
joe rogan
I think it's a funding issue.
colion noir
You think so?
joe rogan
Yeah, they think they can't justify buying millions of dollars worth of snow plows for the city when it snows once every three years.
colion noir
But I mean, it's also a one-time purchase.
I mean, maintenance and keep-up can't be that expensive for a snowplow.
joe rogan
Well, I bet there were some conversations about it after the big freeze a couple years ago.
I have that Land Cruiser.
That thing was awesome during the snow.
I was loving it.
colion noir
It's a 1995. What kind of tires do you have on it?
joe rogan
This is all-terrain.
colion noir
All-terrain?
unidentified
Okay.
joe rogan
So they're great.
You can drive over anything in those fuckers.
colion noir
Yeah, I saw it when you pulled in.
I was like, yep, looks about right.
joe rogan
Yeah, that thing's hooked up.
That thing's hooked up.
That was the truck that I bought I had made when I was nervous about living in LA. I'm like, if something happens, like an earthquake, fire, flood, I want to be able to go over these hills.
I don't want to be stuck on these roads because there was a road in Northern California where there was a major fire and everyone on the road burned to death.
Because the fire storm swept through the road, and they were trapped in bumper-to-bumper traffic, and they all got cooked.
colion noir
No.
joe rogan
Yeah.
colion noir
And that's another reason why I will always, always have a truck with that that has off-road capabilities.
joe rogan
Yeah.
Well, that's the TRX, right?
colion noir
Yeah.
Even though some people would argue that...
It's not an off-road truck.
joe rogan
That motherfucker can go off-road.
colion noir
I've driven it.
I've taken mine off-road.
I have the scratches on it, bitch, to prove it.
joe rogan
They can go off-road.
Those things are capable.
It is kind of amazing.
Like a Raptor, that is essentially a Baja racing truck for the street.
colion noir
Pretty much.
joe rogan
They have amazing travel in terms of you can bounce on things.
You can go over giant bumps.
unidentified
It's stupid, but it's the most giddy experience ever.
colion noir
This is how you drive a TRX or a Raptor.
unidentified
Wee!
colion noir
That's how you drive them?
joe rogan
Yeah.
colion noir
The whole time.
joe rogan
The TRX does come from the factory with some fucking janky-ass brakes, though.
colion noir
Oh, no.
Oh, no.
Oh, don't get me started on that shit.
joe rogan
They're not good.
colion noir
That shit is a liability, bro.
joe rogan
Yeah, they're not good.
colion noir
They're not good.
I changed them.
I put the Wilcox on there.
Was it Wilcox?
Yeah.
joe rogan
I put the whatever Hennessey puts on.
colion noir
Ah, gotcha.
I forget what he uses.
And then now?
joe rogan
Yeah.
colion noir
Brakes are phenomenal.
joe rogan
Yeah, mine too.
colion noir
Phenomenal.
joe rogan
Big difference.
Yeah.
But not good.
colion noir
No, the standard.
Anybody who keeps...
Anybody who has a TRX with the stock brakes on there, just understand, you're a rolling liability.
joe rogan
Well, you have to realize your stopping distance from 60 to zero is twice what a car is.
colion noir
And I learned that the hard way.
joe rogan
I don't know if it's twice, but whatever it is, it's definitely not.
If you have a Tesla and you have to stop at 60, and then you have a TRX, you have to stop at 60, there's no way you're winning that competition.
colion noir
It's not even close.
joe rogan
Not even close.
Many car lengths.
colion noir
Exactly.
joe rogan
Many.
colion noir
I had the car, I had the truck for like a week.
And I was in, I drove to Houston.
And I remember when I was in Houston, I forgot there's like this, I forgot the name of it, but there's a road where it's kind of, it's kind of windy.
Not like sports car windy, but just, you know, kind of does things and you can get some, get up to speed.
So I'm just, you know, driving T-Rex.
And then, like, they were like, out of nowhere, I come around the corner and there's like eight cars sitting at the light.
And I'm like, Fuck I never thought about how bad this thing is at stopping and I remember standing on the brakes and then you hear that And you're like, please stop, please stop, please stop, please stop.
And it did.
But after that, a week later, I got the brakes upgraded.
I did a big brake hit on it and called it.
joe rogan
Well, I noticed a giant difference.
Because I had a Hennessy Raptor before that.
The regular Raptor before the R was out, which was a great car.
And then with great brakes.
Hennessy upgraded the brakes too.
And then I went to the standard TRX after that.
I was like, oh my god, these brakes are dog shit.
colion noir
Dog shit.
joe rogan
What is the stopping distance from 60 to 0 on a stock TRX? Because I know they have to give you the stats on that.
It's probably like barely what it should be and you'd be able to drive it.
unidentified
130 feet?
joe rogan
130 feet.
So, okay.
Now, what is the stopping distance from 60 to 0 in a Corvette Stingray?
A 2023 Corvette Stingray.
colion noir
Keep in mind, that's with no weight.
joe rogan
No weight.
Right, if you have a backfill with cement or whatever the fuck you're carrying back there, five people in the car.
Yeah.
130 feet.
It's crazy.
jamie vernon
93 feet?
joe rogan
Jesus Christ.
unidentified
That's the same for a Viper 9-11.
joe rogan
Think about that.
unidentified
That's almost...
colion noir
That's what you said, 160?
joe rogan
Yeah.
130 feet versus...
How much?
90 feet?
jamie vernon
Yeah, pretty much.
93 feet.
joe rogan
That's a giant difference.
That's a giant difference.
colion noir
They got to do something about those brakes, and they have to do something about the fucking onboard security system, because the way they're able to steal these trucks is insane.
joe rogan
Really?
colion noir
What?
joe rogan
Yeah?
colion noir
Dude, they still, they still, they still, it's not Raptors, they still, anything Mopar.
Anything Mopar, if you don't have a kill switch on it, if you don't have, oh man, if you don't have whatever the neutral thing is to stop them from being able to throw it in neutral, if you don't have a GPS on it or Apple AirTalk, your truck will be gone.
I have dudes in my building who bought it in TRX, went to dinner with their wives to come back out and their truck was gone.
You can look it up online.
They will steal these things in a second.
joe rogan
They're easy to steal.
colion noir
They're easy as fuck to steal.
It's insane.
joe rogan
Really?
Interesting.
Major vulnerability to steal Dodge Ram trucks.
unidentified
Fuck.
colion noir
Oh, yeah.
They have the repeaters.
They'll come outside your house and boost the signal.
joe rogan
Oh, that's crazy that they can do that.
So that's the thing they do with these wires.
colion noir
Yep.
joe rogan
So they can find that you have a remote control inside, and then they mirror the remote control.
They boost the signal, and then you start your car.
Crazy.
colion noir
Yep.
I mean, they steal them like that.
It's like clockwork.
Wow.
joe rogan
Yeah.
That's not good.
colion noir
No, it's not.
Anything Mopar.
Hellcats, TRXs, Trackhawks.
joe rogan
So much electronics in cars.
Another thing that's freaking me out is that they're trying to put kill switches in all cars.
colion noir
Yeah.
joe rogan
Where, you know, if you're driving and the government wants to stop you, they'll just stop your car.
colion noir
Just like that.
joe rogan
Yeah.
colion noir
I said, I like that.
I said, electrical shit.
Yeah.
joe rogan
It's so sketchy.
colion noir
I'm not for it, man.
joe rogan
Look, it's great if someone's stealing your car, and you can call, you know, whatever it is, OnStar, and say, hey, someone stole my car, and they can shut your car off.
colion noir
That's the thing about convenience.
joe rogan
Right.
colion noir
It's a gift and a curse, and then you're giving up something to gain something when it comes to convenience.
So it's like, how inconvenient do you want to live in order to have absolute convenience?
Autonomy versus massive amounts of convenience, but now you're kind of at the mercy of the government, more or less, or whatever corporation is providing that convenience.
joe rogan
Do you remember that story?
There was a story about a journalist, and this journalist was writing a piece for Rolling Stone, and he went overseas, and he was embedded with a troop, and it was in Afghanistan, I believe, and while they were over there, The volcano erupted in Iceland.
So because of that, there was no flights for like two weeks.
You couldn't fly out because they couldn't see.
So until that volcanic dust settles.
So they were stranded.
So this Michael Hastings, is that what his name is?
So this guy was around these people and they got a little comfortable with him.
And they started talking shit.
And then he printed everything they were saying and talking shit.
Including this general, this beloved general who's talking shit about Obama.
colion noir
Yeah.
joe rogan
So, this guy comes back and he's getting mad death threats.
And he's fucking terrified for his life.
And he's saying, listen, if I fucking die, I did not kill myself.
There's threats on my life.
And his car was going down, was it La Brea?
There's a video of it.
He had a brand new Mercedes.
This car was going down La Brea at like 120 miles an hour, went straight into a tree and exploded.
And exploded in a crazy way, where the engine ejected from the vehicle, where they're like, this is indicative of like an explosion.
Like there's like rigged, like something was...
colion noir
So basically something that forced the accelerator all the way down, had the car flying.
Exactly.
joe rogan
The conspiracy theory is that that's what happened.
You know, the problem is there's no way to know.
colion noir
No.
joe rogan
And they also said that he tested positive for amphetamines.
colion noir
Of course.
joe rogan
But the problem with that is...
Journalists all take amphetamines.
It is the dirty secret of journalists.
I have friends that are journalists and they said that Adderall use is ubiquitous.
colion noir
I mean, that's how I was in law school.
I was apparently the only person in law school not on Adderall.
joe rogan
It's apparently amazing.
I have not tried it, but everybody who wants to be productive says Jesus Christ.
colion noir
I know what coffee does to me.
And coffee is just a minor form of fucking Adderall, if you ask me.
joe rogan
It's the most minor.
colion noir
Yeah.
And I know what that does to me.
joe rogan
Yeah.
colion noir
So if I ever took Adderall, I'd become Superman.
joe rogan
Yeah.
colion noir
And I would like that shit so much that I don't ever want to touch it.
joe rogan
My exact feelings.
I don't want to try it.
Yeah, because I know I have ADHD. My friend Duncan has a great bit about it.
I don't even know if that's real.
My friend Duncan has a great bit about it.
He goes, it's like a scientist did cocaine and went, I can fix this.
unidentified
And that's Adderall.
colion noir
Okay, so you don't think ADHD, you don't know if ADHD is real?
unidentified
I don't know.
colion noir
I don't know either.
I haven't looked into it.
joe rogan
First of all, I think it's a superpower.
I think if you have it, it's a superpower.
And I think I most certainly have it.
If I have it, look, I have an ability to focus on things that's very unusual.
And it's obsessive focusing on things.
And I use it to my advantage.
It helps me get good at things.
For sure, it's helped me in my career.
For sure, it's helped me with martial arts.
For sure, it's helped me with everything I do.
colion noir
I think you're right.
And I say that because I remember when I was in law school and I remember I had a professor, a professor, Professor Moore, I don't know if she actually wanted to say her name, but whatever.
Loved her.
Loved her to death.
And I remember she was talking to me about, you know, me possibly having ADHD or whatever.
And she was like, you don't think linearly.
Which makes you great at a lot of things, but then kind of hampers you.
Like, I am not a standardized test taker.
I'm not good at it.
joe rogan
Right, you're not good at things you don't want to do.
colion noir
Bingo.
joe rogan
That's what it is.
colion noir
If I'm not stimulated, I am miserable.
I don't want to look at it.
joe rogan
By the way, you align with most of my friends.
Maybe that's why we're friends.
I mean, I feel like most of my friends are kind of like fucking psycho about certain things that they love.
colion noir
You start talking to me about cars.
You start talking to me about guns.
You start talking to me about the law.
Anything like that I actually have a passion, you can't stop me from being focused on it.
joe rogan
And you can rattle off information that's at your fingertips all the time because you store it.
It's in a file in your brain.
You just open that bitch up and it's there.
colion noir
I always say I have a terrible memory, but I have great recall.
You know what I mean?
joe rogan
That's good.
I have a convenient memory.
colion noir
Yeah.
joe rogan
My memory is really good.
Like, it's stunningly good when it's things that I'm interested in.
But if it's something that I don't give a fuck about, it's like, I throw that right out.
It comes in, goes out.
colion noir
For me, it's names.
It's bad.
joe rogan
Oh, it's bad with names.
colion noir
It's bad.
joe rogan
Well, the other thing is, you're a public person, so you meet a lot of people.
colion noir
Okay, I'm glad you said that, because I had thought that, and I'm like, no, you're just making excuses for yourself.
joe rogan
No, that's real.
colion noir
Because, like, I'm inundated with new names all the time.
Constantly.
And so I'm just kind of—and I'll forget names.
I'm like, why am I forgetting these people's names?
And it's almost like it's just overflow.
Like there's names that'll drop off, and then I'll be able to recall it, but then another name will drop off, and then it's like— Well, it's Dunbar's number.
joe rogan
Do you know what that is?
No.
Dunbar's number is this principle that's based on the idea that we came from tribal societies.
So all human beings came from groups of like 50 people, 150 people.
And the idea is that there's a circle of people that are close to you that you're very close to.
And that's whatever that number is, 5 to 10, whatever it is.
And then there's a circle of people that you really like, but you don't see as much, and that's like 20 or 30. And then it gets further and further out to like acquaintances and people you barely know.
So this is Dunbar's number.
So five very close friends.
So and then it gets to close friends it gets like 15 to 50 and then it gets to friends that you would invite them to a party that's 150 then it gets to acquaintances it's 500 people who you remember how you met and then it's 1500 people that you could put a name to a face now imagine How many people you meet compared to the average person that works in the same place and sees the same friend group and goes to the same church or whatever.
You're around the same group of people all the time.
You don't have to remember that many names.
You might meet, over the course of 10 years, there might be like 300 people that you interact with regularly.
That's most folks.
unidentified
Shit!
colion noir
I was just at SHOT Show.
joe rogan
Right, okay.
colion noir
We're talking.
Hundreds and hundreds of people in the course of three days.
joe rogan
There's no way.
There's no way you can remember all those things.
And people get mad at you.
colion noir
I know.
joe rogan
They get mad.
colion noir
Especially women.
joe rogan
Yeah.
Well, people get mad if you don't remember their names.
They get mad if you don't remember that you met them.
It's like, I can't do it.
You don't understand.
I don't have...
My hard drive is full.
colion noir
I can't.
joe rogan
There's no room in there.
colion noir
It's nuts.
I mean, I... Hell, even remembering to send messages that I was supposed to respond to sometimes.
joe rogan
Oh, yeah.
No, it's impossible.
Like, look at my phone.
Like, when you see, like, how many messages that I haven't answered.
colion noir
Let's compare, because I always do this.
joe rogan
How many you got?
colion noir
I usually win this battle.
So right now, text messages, I have 1,152 unopened text messages.
unidentified
I have 175. 175. Damn.
colion noir
I got you.
Now, here's where it gets insane.
joe rogan
Okay.
colion noir
My emails.
Okay.
440,124.
Whoa.
joe rogan
I think you got me there.
That's crazy.
colion noir
Now, in all fairness, I have like five different emails attached to that.
joe rogan
I have...
Oh, wait a minute.
I might have you.
jamie vernon
Maintenance there.
joe rogan
I have 168,485.
colion noir
Okay, yeah.
See, I've surpassed you.
joe rogan
Yeah, you got me.
You got me beat on that.
But I also have five email addresses.
colion noir
I have one, two, three, four.
unidentified
I have four attached to this, yeah.
joe rogan
It's crazy, man.
colion noir
Yeah.
It's pretty bad.
It's pretty bad.
joe rogan
Very bad.
But it's also, it's like the nature of being a public person.
And I also have four phone numbers.
So it's like...
colion noir
So you have to.
joe rogan
Yeah, and I have to change mine now.
It's like I've started getting text messages from people I don't know.
colion noir
I'm this close to being at the point where you are where I'm like, too many people have my number.
joe rogan
Exactly.
colion noir
And so I'm like, I've had this number for ages.
And I'm like...
joe rogan
Yeah, it's kind of a gross conversation for other people.
Like, what's your problem?
What's the big deal?
But it's unmanageable.
You have to understand it's unmanageable.
And when you're a person like you or I, people are always looking for something from you.
Like, all day long.
It's, can you do this?
Will you come to that?
colion noir
And I have a very hard time saying no.
I haven't, I've started mastering it now.
joe rogan
Yeah.
colion noir
But it took a long time because I would feel guilty.
Because I, you know, I feel blessed to be in a position that I'm in.
So if I'm in a position to help where I can help, I'm going to want to do it.
But I started realizing I'm giving too much of myself.
And what ends up happening is I start fucking myself, essentially.
Yeah.
joe rogan
It's the pros and cons of connectivity.
I think ultimately, like we were saying before, it's the best time to be alive.
The benefits way outweigh the negatives.
But there's a lot of weirdness to it.
One of the things that we were talking about at lunch today was that there's this statistic now where they did this survey of these women, and they found that 50% of married women have a backup boyfriend.
Meaning, if this...
Fucking husband falls apart.
If he talks too much shit, if she gets tired of his bullshit, she has another guy that she's been in contact with that she can kind of get a hold of and that guy could be the new boyfriend.
colion noir
Yeah, I've been to back up.
joe rogan
I'm sure you have.
colion noir
And then they realize that's a terrible fucking idea.
joe rogan
But it's like 70% of women in relationships have this.
colion noir
Yeah.
joe rogan
7-0.
colion noir
When I read the article, I'm like, oh, y'all just found this out.
I swear to God.
I promise you.
I've always known that.
joe rogan
Especially women on social media who take thirst trap pictures.
Like, my God.
colion noir
It's a beautiful way.
The social media has provided a beautiful avenue to...
Have a roster.
So it's like they have a bench, they have a starting five, and then they have a bench, right?
joe rogan
Exactly.
You had number one draft pick.
He's the guy who texts you every now and then.
How you doing?
colion noir
But they all serve a different role.
joe rogan
You looking good.
colion noir
They're all serving a different role.
There's a...
He's nice.
He listens to me wax poetic about nothing guy.
joe rogan
He'll go out on a date with me even though I have no romantic interest in him.
He'll take me out if me and the husband are in a fight.
colion noir
This guy makes me look really good so I'll kind of bring him out.
This guy has really good sex so I'll call him over in the middle of the night after I finish with the guy who takes me out.
Dad!
joe rogan
50% of married women have a backup lover.
unidentified
Ooh.
jamie vernon
So when I Google this thing, like 50% have a backup, this article pops up as a story every two or three years.
joe rogan
Well, probably true.
jamie vernon
No, but I mean, maybe it doesn't have anything to do with social media or anything.
unidentified
Well, 2014, people still have social media.
jamie vernon
I know, but that's just...
This is just the first page of searching.
If I go back and check like 2009, would it say that?
unidentified
I would pick Cosmopolitan articles from 2000. I think it's, but you got to remember too, you got to remember women are social creatures.
colion noir
So that's usually probably based on a survey.
joe rogan
Right.
colion noir
Generally speaking, I think it's a lot higher.
joe rogan
Well, probably a lot higher now.
Yeah, that's true.
They wouldn't admit it.
But probably a lot higher now because of social media, because of direct messaging.
unidentified
I agree.
colion noir
I agree.
joe rogan
There's so much of that going around.
colion noir
I tell my friends this all the time.
Some of them are married.
I'm still out here.
And back in the day, you could only touch who you could actually touch.
unidentified
Right.
colion noir
Now...
The games change.
You can touch anyone.
If a girl's like, oh my god, and she lives in central Kansas, and she loves Michael B. Jordan, slide in the DMs.
He may read it, he may not.
joe rogan
And if he goes to her page, and she's like, woo!
Let's go.
colion noir
Hello, Sarah in Central Kansas.
How's it going?
joe rogan
What's up?
colion noir
You get what I'm saying?
So it's taking the game to a whole new level where it's like you, everybody, and it goes both ways, too.
joe rogan
Sure.
colion noir
The only difference is...
A guy reaching out to say some super famous actress is...
joe rogan
Good luck.
colion noir
Yeah, exactly.
Because there's like 900 of you doing the same thing.
joe rogan
Yeah, not only that, it's like women don't want that.
If a woman's a super famous actress, she don't want some random carpenter sliding into her DMs.
colion noir
Shit.
I disagree 100,000%.
Yeah, she likes the attention.
joe rogan
Okay, but she's not thinking of that as a guy that she's going to bang if she happens to be in Kansas.
colion noir
Yeah, no, no.
Not at all.
You don't stand a chance in hell.
But, you know, to pick up her phone, it's like, another one.
joe rogan
That they like.
colion noir
To get that dopamine spike and then it's on to the next show.
joe rogan
Yeah.
It's wild.
I mean, look, I'm complaining, but I like to look at it.
You know, like if women put thirst traps on their Instagram, like, ooh, look at that.
I like to look at it.
So I'm not complaining in the sense, I don't want you to stop doing it.
I want you to do whatever you want to do.
But I think psychologically, the temptation and also just knowing that you have that many suitors that are waiting in the wings, it makes arguments very different.
unidentified
Yeah.
colion noir
One thing I love is I'm never going to apologize for being a man.
Ever.
At the same time, I can't...
I mean, if they have the access and the ability to do it...
It is what it is.
joe rogan
Yeah, and also like a woman's window of opportunity is smaller than a man's.
colion noir
I'd say that much.
joe rogan
It just is, unfortunately.
For whatever reason, it's not fair.
If a woman has between the ages of like, you know, whatever age of age, you know, where they're legal till they're, you know, if they're really hot and they work out a lot, late 40s.
colion noir
That's pushing it.
joe rogan
Yeah, but it gets...
And when women are single in their late 40s, guys are like, why is she single when she's in her late 40s?
colion noir
Well, I think life is kind of cruel in a way that they created an inverse peak for men and women.
Right.
Right?
So when we were younger, Nobody want us.
joe rogan
Right.
colion noir
Nobody want us.
You broke?
Yeah.
unidentified
Broke dudes, you're in college, you got your little dorm room.
joe rogan
Right.
colion noir
Because when I was in college, all the girls were dating all the dudes, they were dating the drug dealers, the ballplayers.
I didn't judge them.
I always told my friends, I was like, dudes, you're boring.
unidentified
Right.
colion noir
Like, I'm boring.
joe rogan
You have no resources.
colion noir
I wake up, I go to class, and I come back home to my dorm room.
joe rogan
Yeah.
colion noir
Where you have a whole guy here who has his own apartment, own house, own car, can fly you out, do all this stuff.
joe rogan
Go on trips.
colion noir
Exactly.
joe rogan
Yeah.
colion noir
The problem is, at a certain point it flips.
The best time of my life started at 30. Right?
joe rogan
Right.
colion noir
30, you can't tell me shit.
You can't tell me shit.
Right.
Whereas when a woman starts hitting 30, now she's had her fun, right?
She's on boats.
She's doing all that stuff.
She's having a great time.
joe rogan
Yeah.
colion noir
Have at it.
joe rogan
Yeah.
colion noir
The problem is that switch flips, and now she's looking for something more serious, more stable.
Unfortunately, when you're 30, and I'm 30, and I'm like, you can't tell me shit, and she's 30, she's like, I'm ready to be in something serious.
The lines start crossing in ways that aren't conducive to...
joe rogan
Right.
colion noir
You get what I'm saying?
So it's like that's when you start kind of having these age gap relationships where you start having individuals.
You start getting guys who are 30 or 40 dating 24, 23-year-olds.
joe rogan
Right.
colion noir
Because it's like, well, I finally got to a point where I'm making money.
I have the resources to do what I want and have fun.
So now what I'm going to do is I'm going to start enjoying that life that I wanted when I was younger.
unidentified
Right.
joe rogan
And so a lot of times they'll date women who aren't looking for serious boyfriends.
Exactly.
Because they're looking to have fun as well.
colion noir
Exactly.
joe rogan
So they're not putting pressure on you to have a family and settle down.
colion noir
So that's taking those guys essentially off the market for the women who are now at a point where they're like, okay, I want something more...
unidentified
Yeah.
colion noir
I want something more steady, right?
And so, like I said, life is cruel.
Life is just kind of cruel like that.
joe rogan
Yeah.
colion noir
So it creates this dynamic where it's like, now they're looking at like, where are all the guys?
unidentified
Yeah.
colion noir
That are my age because they're not looking to date younger guys and they're not looking to date super old guys either, whatever the hell that means.
joe rogan
Jordan Peterson talks about this too.
There's also this disproportionate thing that happens where men who have resources and who are attractive...
It's such a small percentage of the population.
And those men have access to a much larger percentage of women.
So the amount of men today that don't have girlfriends and haven't had sex in a long time, it's staggering.
You can call them incels, you can call them whatever you want, but unfortunate gentlemen is what I like to call them.
colion noir
And that is not good for society.
joe rogan
Not good.
I mean, that's what's happening in China.
colion noir
Yeah.
joe rogan
Right?
China had that one child policy, which was disastrous.
You know, like when someone was saying, all these Chinese men of military age are entering into this country.
I'm like, okay, maybe they're a terror cell.
That's the worst case scenario.
Or maybe they're guys who are in China who are fucked.
There's no girls there.
So like, if you want to, and also you're trapped in a communist society.
unidentified
Yeah.
joe rogan
You're trapped in a dictatorship.
colion noir
Here's the irony behind that.
There's also a segment of men in America who are like, I want to go abroad and find a woman.
joe rogan
Right.
Find a woman with lower standards.
colion noir
It's the weirdest thing.
Well, I mean, lower standards are different environments.
joe rogan
Well, lower standards, because I've been paying attention to these guys who go down to, like, Columbia, and these, like, ugly dudes who go down to Columbia and get these bomb-ass Colombian chicks.
colion noir
Now, you've got to make the distinction.
There's a distinction there.
There are some who kind of go in there.
They're really honestly going there to have fun.
joe rogan
Right.
colion noir
Right.
And then there are some who are honestly kind of looking for...
Something more traditional, because these places tend to have more of a traditional structure.
unidentified
Right.
colion noir
So, like, I think you kind of have to split that dynamic a little bit.
joe rogan
Yeah, there's a lot of variables there.
Yeah.
colion noir
But at the same time, like you said, then there's guys from other countries, foreign countries, wanting to come to America to get women.
unidentified
Yeah.
colion noir
So it's so weird how you kind of have this, like, crossing of the seas in order to get the same thing in different places.
joe rogan
Yeah.
colion noir
Right?
joe rogan
Yeah.
colion noir
But I don't know.
I'm...
My mom's hitting me up for grandbabies every other day.
So I'm the last person to be talking to about this.
joe rogan
Are you ever gonna do it?
colion noir
I mean, if it happens, it happens.
joe rogan
So it's like you just have to find the right combination of woman, circumstance.
colion noir
Yeah, I mean, the thing is I'm obsessed with my freedom.
Right?
And it's to a fault.
And I'm not against it.
joe rogan
But it's also served you well.
colion noir
It has.
It has.
And I guard it viciously.
joe rogan
Right.
Because we've all seen men that got trapped.
Hence my conversation about my friend earlier that has to pay child support.
colion noir
Exactly.
And I usually don't even talk about this because largely when you do speak about it publicly, nobody ever tries to see that from your perspective.
Right.
Right?
It's just like, what are you doing?
joe rogan
You're a woman hater.
colion noir
Yes, exactly.
joe rogan
You're a player.
Misogyny, right?
colion noir
Misogyny.
Yeah.
You're a misan...
Yeah.
But, which is fine.
I've kind of built up walls that don't really...
That doesn't really bother me.
You can't really shame me that way.
Largely because what I'm doing is I'm protecting my peace.
joe rogan
Yeah, and also you've seen the other side of it.
It's not like you don't know what the negative consequences are.
colion noir
I've definitely seen the other side of it.
joe rogan
We've all seen horrific relationships.
colion noir
Yeah.
joe rogan
Men are emasculated, controlling.
And there's another thing that happens in those controlling relationships that I was watching this conversation.
This woman who was a psychologist was having with this other podcaster.
I forget who it was.
But she was saying that essentially one of the problems that happens with women is that they have this desire to control their environment and control men.
But then as soon as they control men, they stop being attracted to that man.
colion noir
I never listen to what women say.
In terms of what they want.
joe rogan
Really?
colion noir
No.
joe rogan
You just always assume there's some...
colion noir
No, I just watch the actions.
Because actions are there.
Because you've got to remember, women live in a very socialized...
Right?
Like, when you think lone wolf, you don't think lone woman.
You think lone man.
So, their condition, and I'm speaking general, like there's always exceptions, right?
But generally speaking, they're social creatures.
So, they're going to say what they're supposed to say.
Right?
Because otherwise they're going to be judged.
unidentified
Right?
colion noir
Because if a woman, you ask a woman, what does she want?
She's like, oh, I want a nice guy who's stable, who's sweet, and so forth and so on.
Because if she says, no, I want the bad boy rocker who does, you know, whatever.
People are going to judge her for that desire.
But then again, at the same time, she still actually may want both.
Right.
Right.
And in many ways think she can have both.
Because remember that roster?
unidentified
Yeah.
With all the different guys.
colion noir
That's her different purposes.
joe rogan
The backup man.
colion noir
Yeah.
So, you know, there's that aspect to it that I think...
I understand it.
I do.
But I don't make decisions off of what...
I won't make decisions off of it.
Because I understand what somebody does versus what they say can be two totally different things.
joe rogan
Yeah.
Well, that's a lawyer in you, too.
unidentified
Very much so.
Yeah.
joe rogan
But there's also, there's another problem.
And the other problem is media depictions of relationships.
And that these media depictions of relationships are not based on actual relationships.
They're based on playing to these desires that people have for this perfect thing.
Yeah.
colion noir
And I think it creates an unattainable standard.
Because...
What I've learned from my friends that I know who are married and are in good marriages, from what I can gauge, it's just hard.
It's not always fun.
It isn't.
And I think a lot of people look at relations, and even just relationships in general, it's not an easy thing to do.
You're talking about two different people.
You're talking about people who are totally different.
They may come together in some commonality, which is why they're attracted to each other.
But you're still talking about two different personalities who have to come together and live with each other.
And so that's not an easy thing to do.
joe rogan
And it's also why people are attracted to each other.
They're not attracted generally to the same type of personality.
Which is true.
colion noir
Which is absolutely true.
joe rogan
I think those media depictions of reality, they fuck us up in so many ways because people look to movies and songs and they look to that as their model of what life should be, including other aspects of your life outside of relationships like retirement.
People have this idea, like one day I'm going to retire and I'm going to have a great...
No, you're going to die earlier.
You're going to be disinterested and unengaged and you're not going to be stimulated and you're going to fucking die.
colion noir
That's funny you said that because I'll be honest with you, I had that like...
Sometimes, like 99%, all I do is work.
You know that about me.
You know I'm always working.
Yeah.
Which is why I think I'm also so passionate about the things that have nothing to do with me.
joe rogan
And also why you're so passionate about freedom.
unidentified
Exactly.
joe rogan
Because you don't want anybody to get in the way of that.
colion noir
Exactly.
joe rogan
Yeah.
colion noir
And I always have this fantasy that I thought I would reach a point where I could just do nothing.
And I would do nothing.
And I would just enjoy the rest of my life doing nothing.
unidentified
Right?
colion noir
The more I talk to people who are further along in their life than me, further along in their career than I, people who have retired, they all say the same thing and it echoes the sentiment that you just said.
The last thing you want to do is do nothing.
joe rogan
Yeah.
colion noir
Because you will die early.
joe rogan
Yeah, you don't want to sit on the porch.
colion noir
Yeah.
joe rogan
I might want to sit on the porch for a few hours.
Yeah, exactly.
Yeah, it's nice.
It's nice to relax.
I like watching TV occasionally.
colion noir
Yeah.
joe rogan
Sit down, and when I know that I've done a lot, and I just chill.
And watch some stupid shit on TV. Great.
I like it.
I've figured out a way to enjoy that.
But the idea of doing nothing, I may get to a certain point where I don't work anymore.
unidentified
Yes.
joe rogan
But I will always be doing stuff.
I'll always be bow hunting.
I'll always be working out.
I'll always be playing pool.
I'll always be following hobbies.
I'll always be doing things that I'm interested in.
But what I'm lucky about, and I think what you're lucky about as well, is that the things that we're interested in are also the things we do for a living.
colion noir
And that's why I feel so blessed.
joe rogan
Oh, we're so lucky.
We're so lucky.
There's so many people out there.
It's that Thoreau quote, that most men live lives of quiet desperation.
And when you're doing what you actually enjoy doing, you are so much better off than someone who's insanely wealthy, who's miserable, because they don't like what they're doing and they're just making money.
colion noir
I like working.
Like I said, before investments that I've made that have done really well, I like working.
For each and every dollar.
joe rogan
You like creating good content.
colion noir
I genuinely love it.
And it sucks sometimes, I'll be honest.
joe rogan
Sure, it's difficult.
colion noir
Very.
The pressure you put on yourself, it can be maddening.
joe rogan
But it's also rewarding.
colion noir
Exactly.
joe rogan
Yeah, I mean that's part of the journey of what makes things interesting and intriguing.
And I think the way human beings evolved, we evolved trying to solve complex puzzles.
And initially it was, how do I get food?
How do I protect my village?
How do I protect my family?
How do I avoid plague and fucking predators and all these?
So people had to solve complex problems.
So it's a natural human reward system that's built into the organism in order for this organism to survive.
So this idea of like complete sedentary lifestyle providing you any enjoyment is just fucking nonsense.
colion noir
It really is.
And the funny thing is, I want to say about...
A couple months ago, I was flirting with burnout every other day, like straight up.
And then I realized the reason I'm flirting with burnout is because the way I'm approaching it.
I'm approaching it like, I want to finish this so I can get to nothing.
Instead of, I enjoy doing this.
This isn't, it's work, but this is what I'm doing.
Right?
And I don't want to say, no, I did.
That feeling, that kind of, I don't want to call it transient, but that feeling of burnout or almost flirting with burnout every other day essentially kind of went away.
Because I just threw myself into what I was doing instead of looking at it as something I got to get done so I can get to nothing.
Because what was happening was I would do something, finish it, and then there's something else.
And then there's something else.
And I'm like, God, I just want to take a break.
I just want to be able to take a break and just do nothing for like a month.
But do I really?
joe rogan
No.
colion noir
Because within three days, if that, I'm going to be like, what can I create?
joe rogan
Well, I enjoy vacations now, but I enjoy it as a time that I can spend with my family and we can hang out together and I can have 24-7 time with my kids.
Because when my kids are in school, they're in school all day, they have friends, they have sports they do, they have activities, it's hard to spend a lot of quality time.
When we go on vacation, if we go on vacation for a week, that's one week of just hanging out and I try to get as many laughs in, as many fun things to do.
But it's sort of activity driven.
We enjoy time together.
We do stuff.
The idea of just like...
Jordan Peterson talks about this as well.
He talks about this imaginary thing that people have.
One day you're going to be on the beach drinking margaritas, like staring at the sunrise.
colion noir
You know what's funny about that?
joe rogan
Yeah.
colion noir
When I have that fantasy in my brain, you want to know what I'm doing?
joe rogan
What?
colion noir
I'm sitting on the beach drinking a margarita and have my computer and I'm working on a script.
joe rogan
Yeah.
colion noir
That to me is my fantasy.
unidentified
Right.
colion noir
It's like, yeah, I want to be able to do what I want, but I just end up doing what I'm doing.
joe rogan
What you enjoy.
Yeah.
But, you know, a day or two of that is fine.
unidentified
Yes.
colion noir
A little bit of that is fine.
Yeah, I'll spend a day and I'll binge watch a show for like a day or two.
joe rogan
And then you start feeling guilty.
unidentified
Yes.
joe rogan
Yeah, well that's a sign of someone who loves what they do.
So it's like it's not like a like what you're doing is something you actually enjoy.
So getting away from it is not enjoyable.
That's the key to a happy life is surround yourself with people that are very fun to be around that you love that you enjoy you like seeing them succeed you love spending time with them you all have fun together and then Generally, it's birds of a feather.
So, like, my friends all, like, to a person, they all love what they do.
colion noir
Yeah.
joe rogan
To a person.
The people that I enjoy being around.
And that's, to me, when they do well and they're happy and they can tell me about this thing that they're doing and how excited they are, it makes me excited.
And I want to do more stuff.
unidentified
Yeah.
colion noir
Like, people's passion for things is very infectious.
joe rogan
Very infectious.
colion noir
Very infectious, man.
joe rogan
I love watching dudes make tables.
I've been...
The last few days I've been on this YouTube rabbit hole watching dudes make tables.
I have zero desire to make a table.
But I was watching these dudes make this fucking dope desk for this guy and it was like resin and wood and they put it all together and had this cool design to it.
Man, that's badass.
And the passion that these guys had for making sure that all the joints fit perfectly together, sanding them down, it's all precise, and they're taking you through the process as a narrator, talking about how time-consuming this is, but this is the way to do it, because then the end result is so worth it.
And then they're standing there when they deliver this desk, I'm like, damn, that's pretty dope.
colion noir
No, it's freaking awesome.
You know, the funny thing is, I've started realizing I might be into decor more than I'm willing to admit to myself.
joe rogan
Really?
colion noir
Yeah.
Not so much like I want to style houses or stuff like that, but I think that's why I like hotels so much.
I'm a hotel snob.
joe rogan
Right.
Like a dope hotel where you go in there and you feel good.
colion noir
Nothing makes me happy, man.
Especially when you're traveling.
Because the process of traveling sucks.
Traveling is fun.
The process sucks.
Mainly just the airport shit.
But I love...
Even when I come here, when I come to Austin, I look forward to coming to Austin because I have hotels I really enjoy out here.
I stay at the Proper, I stay at the Thompson.
I love those hotels.
Those are dope hotels.
And it does wonders for even just revitalizing you and just kind of pulling out in.
Because where I live now, I love where I live.
I love it, but there's just something different about being in a hotel.
joe rogan
Yeah, a stylish bar, a beautiful restaurant that you go to that's in the hotel.
colion noir
I travel so much and spend so much time at hotel bars, I almost wanted to start a blog where I just talk about my experiences at hotel bars.
joe rogan
It's not a bad idea.
A lot of people love them.
And then a cool lobby.
It makes you excited about being there.
colion noir
It feels good.
joe rogan
Yeah, it's a cool environment.
Someone that's got a really cool environment in their home that's conducive to creativity is Rick Rubin.
I was watching this tour.
Rick Rubin's a friend of mine, and he's a fucking brilliant dude.
I mean, just legendary producer, right?
colion noir
I'm familiar with him.
joe rogan
He wrote this book on creativity.
It's really good.
It's really fascinating, but about what he does to foster creativity.
And a lot of it is also environment.
There's like a tour of Rick Rubin's Malibu home and studio.
So he's got this house, and when you see his house, the way...
Is this it?
Yeah.
Yeah, so...
jamie vernon
He might have another house, but this is his most famous house.
joe rogan
Yeah, yeah.
So the way he has everything set up in his house...
I don't know if this is what I saw.
jamie vernon
This is also like 10 years old.
I don't know if...
joe rogan
Yeah, I think he's got a new one now.
Yeah, this is a long time ago.
Rick's kind of a wild man.
But he sets things up so that they make him feel a certain way when he goes into rooms.
colion noir
Remember how I told you I'm a city rat and I just love being in a city?
joe rogan
Yeah.
colion noir
So I initially had more of kind of a traditional style house prior to that I lived in the high rise.
jamie vernon
Maybe this room?
colion noir
See, this is where the decor in me starts coming out of.
I'm an appreciator of good decor, I guess is the best way to put it.
joe rogan
Yeah, I mean, the way you set up your environment, the things that excite you, when you're walking around, the things you see.
colion noir
And that's the thing, aesthetics inspires me.
They do beautiful things that inspire me.
joe rogan
Art.
Yeah.
Obviously, when you see this studio and you walk around, I'm a big fan of art.
colion noir
Yeah.
I love it.
And you know what the weird thing about me is?
In my place now, there's maybe two things on the wall.
My house looks unlived in.
And the reason is, is because I'm so specific.
Like, I can't tell you art-wise what I want.
I have to see it.
And when I see it, I know it.
I won't be able to explain it.
I know it.
And it's not, like, super deep shit.
Like, recently, I bought this big, gigantic canvas of a top-down view of a 930 Porsche Turbo.
Right?
So you can see the hips kind of flare out a little bit and stuff like that.
I saw it, and I was just online.
I was just at home, just hanging out on the couch, and I was like, that.
Because it evoked a certain emotion in me that I'm like, when I look at that and I see that, that's going to inspire me to a degree, right?
I'm sounding very, like, hairy-fairy, but nonetheless, it is what it is.
The problem is, is, like, I don't run across things visually.
Or often enough where I'm like, okay, I want to put that in my home.
And when I do, it's usually like something that somebody already has, so there isn't another one.
You get what I'm saying?
And I will not just put anything up for the sake of just putting it up.
Because I want to walk into my place and I want it to mean something to me when I see it.
joe rogan
Well, lack of things is also something.
colion noir
True.
joe rogan
You know, like sometimes there's a lot of serenity in an empty room, which is like a couch and a table.
You know, there's something about that, too.
And maybe one piece of art on the wall is better than five pieces of art or a wall filled with art.
colion noir
That is true.
joe rogan
Yeah.
colion noir
But there is something.
But then there's also that mental playground when you do have...
And I think that's what you have here.
joe rogan
Yeah.
colion noir
Right?
Because I walk in, it's like...
Every time I look, something looks different.
And it works.
It's like this beautiful controlled chaos that just works because it's chaotic but yet uniform.
If that makes any sense.
joe rogan
Yeah, it's cultivated chaos.
colion noir
And I love it.
And lighting.
I'm big on lighting.
I may be wrong about this, but I feel like everything here is designed to kind of Allow you, like, relax you, essentially.
joe rogan
The idea is to make it comfortable, but also stimulate conversation.
I want a lot of different weird shit on the table, like this symbol.
unidentified
And I've been looking at the back of the spine since we got here.
joe rogan
This is actually a...
How old was this again?
This is a piece of moose bone that was taken out of the Alaskan tundra.
That's from the Boneyard in Alaska.
colion noir
How do you say moose plural?
joe rogan
Moose.
colion noir
Moose?
Okay.
joe rogan
Yeah.
colion noir
So moose and elk.
Fucking beautiful creatures, man.
You have to see them in person.
You have to.
They are stunning in person.
That's all I wanted to say.
I did my elk hunt not too long ago.
I remember we came across them twice.
When you come face to face with them in the wild, it's just different.
joe rogan
It's amazing.
colion noir
They're beautiful, man.
They are absolutely stunning.
I've never seen a moose in person.
But I can...
joe rogan
Bro, they don't even look real.
colion noir
Really?
joe rogan
The first time I saw one was in British Columbia.
And the first time I saw it, I was like...
It was like the scene in Jurassic Park where Jeff Goldblum gets out of the Jeep and he's like...
unidentified
What the f...
joe rogan
They're so big, they don't look real.
They're so big, they don't look real.
colion noir
Gotcha.
joe rogan
It's double the size of an elk.
colion noir
Really?
joe rogan
Double.
colion noir
Damn.
joe rogan
Double.
Easy.
colion noir
And I was blown away by how...
What I'm looking for is so agile and light-footed LR. Because we stumbled on my hunt.
We accidentally stumbled on one.
He didn't know we were there.
We didn't know he was there until we knew each other was there.
I've never seen anything move so fast through thick brush without making a sound.
joe rogan
Also with giant antlers.
colion noir
It made a joke.
joe rogan
I'm talking thick brush.
colion noir
Didn't make a sound when it took off.
joe rogan
I was like, what the fuck?
Yeah.
colion noir
I was like, okay, okay, this is real.
joe rogan
They're designed for it.
Yeah.
And they're also designed to get away from credit.
Look at the size of that moose.
I lived in, what does it say?
I lived in London for most of my life, so I've never seen a real-life moose.
Look how much bigger it is in those cars.
colion noir
Good God.
joe rogan
Bro, they're so big, you can't believe they're real.
unidentified
That thing is huge.
joe rogan
And they're aggressive.
The difference between a moose and other animals is if you see a deer, they'll run away from you.
If you see a moose, they might stomp you to death.
If you're close enough that they don't like it, they'll come at you.
Because they're used to fighting off wolves.
colion noir
They're stompers.
joe rogan
They're stompers.
colion noir
You know, I saw an elephant take on a...
What was it going on?
I think it was a rhino.
joe rogan
You saw it live?
colion noir
No, fuck no.
I saw it on the internet.
Yeah, and I'm like...
I've started to realize elephants are not to be messed with.
joe rogan
Not to be fucked with.
colion noir
Like, at all.
joe rogan
No.
colion noir
Like, they seem kind of passive.
They're not.
joe rogan
Well, they're passive if they don't need to be aggressive.
Here it is.
Elephant fucks up this rhino.
Oh, they're so much bigger.
I mean, it's like a sumo wrestler versus a high school fucking 134 pounder.
colion noir
But when I first saw them face off...
I thought the rhino was going to get the best one because of the long ass horn.
joe rogan
Nah, that one ain't shit.
colion noir
Clearly.
joe rogan
And that's also an elephant with small tusks.
colion noir
Yeah, I know.
joe rogan
Which, by the way, the sad thing is elephants, genetically, they're starting to have smaller and smaller tusks because of the evolutionary aspect of the fact that people want them for their tusks.
So their tusks are actually growing smaller.
colion noir
To be less desirable.
joe rogan
Yeah, which is crazy that that's how evolution works.
That it works over that small of a period of time.
colion noir
That is kind of nutty.
joe rogan
Yeah.
colion noir
That is actually really nutty.
joe rogan
There's a documentary that I watched from the BBC once on the Congo, and it's so fascinating because...
The Congo, at one point in time, was grasslands.
And then a rainforest emerged as the climate shifted.
And when the climate shifted, these savannah animals got trapped in this jungle.
So you have, like, gazelles and antelope.
colion noir
Inside of a jungle.
joe rogan
There's an antelope, I think it's called a duiker, that swims underwater for, like, a hundred yards and eats fish.
colion noir
Antelope?
joe rogan
Yeah, little tiny antelope.
Swims underwater.
They're evolving to swim underwater.
There's fish that come out of the ground and they walk till they find the next water.
So, like, they're literally, like, evolving in front of our eyes.
They're changing their behavior characteristics and then what's a natural advantage.
colion noir
Or is that radioactive?
No.
unidentified
Yeah, that's in some places.
colion noir
You know another thing that's beautiful to watch move in their environment?
Snow leopards.
unidentified
Oh, yeah.
joe rogan
Oh, yeah.
Isn't Wilder a cat that lives in the snow?
You think of cats, you think of the jungle, right?
colion noir
And then the funny thing is, they call it a leopard, but I'm like, that thing is like a lion.
joe rogan
It's weird.
colion noir
Not a lion, a tiger.
joe rogan
Yeah.
colion noir
That thing is like a tiger.
joe rogan
Crazy big paws, like snowshoes, so they can run through the snow easier.
colion noir
And then watching them just chase the mountain goats all up and down the mountain, and do it with such fluidity, it's insane to me.
joe rogan
I saw lynx in Canada once, in the wild.
This wild looking thing, man.
Lynx are crazy looking.
They just don't look like they belong there.
And they make the nuttiest noises.
They stand in front of each other and they scream at each other.
They get face to face and they're screaming at each other.
Yeah, there's videos of these Lynx that are standing in front of each other.
They get real close to each other.
colion noir
You know that's going to become a meme, right?
unidentified
Yeah, check it out.
joe rogan
Look at these guys Look they just scream at each other's faces Then they just get real close to each other and they don't do anything.
They're like, bitch, this is my spot!
Isn't that what?
Isn't that nuts?
colion noir
You know what this reminds me of?
joe rogan
What?
colion noir
Okay, there's this video.
joe rogan
Look at their feet, man.
Look at their feet.
Don't get too close, bitch!
I'll slap you!
But they don't fight.
Look, because they know that getting injured is so fucking deadly.
colion noir
It's a death sentence.
joe rogan
Yeah, you break your leg or you get your eye scratched out.
That's it.
colion noir
It reminds me of this video I saw on Instagram where it's like all these women at like some retreat and they're like moving crazy and screaming and like...
joe rogan
One of those women empowerment retreats.
unidentified
Yeah.
colion noir
I was like, what the fuck did I just watch?
joe rogan
Yeah, what the fuck did you just watch?
colion noir
And then I watched it again.
unidentified
Yeah.
colion noir
And then I watched it again.
I couldn't take my eyes away from it.
joe rogan
That always seems like someone's got some scam running.
I'm gonna show you how to be powerful.
You're just gonna scream at each other.
colion noir
To me, it just demonstrates how...
joe rogan
Imagine men doing that.
I'm sure they do.
I'm sure.
There's some male retreat.
Like, probably organized by a gay guy trying to fuck these dudes.
Get them all together in the fucking jungle and just yell.
We're gonna yell, we're gonna yell naked!
colion noir
I think it's the most...
Brutal demonstration of how good your life is.
joe rogan
Right, right, right.
You don't have to do that.
colion noir
Yeah, that's the extent of your problem.
joe rogan
Yeah.
colion noir
But, I mean...
joe rogan
There's so many men out there that don't know how to be a man.
They don't know what to do.
And they feel lost and disconnected, and they wish they were something they're not.
So those guys are, like, super susceptible to these, like, how to be a man things.
colion noir
Yeah, it's definitely, you know, there's a fine line between, you know, In what it is to be a man and in the caricature of what it is to be a man.
Right.
I... Like, I was raised by a single...
I was more or less raised by a single parent mother.
But I can tell...
I know now, as an adult, she overcompensated in a lot of ways.
Because she knew she was having to raise a man.
And the way she did it was...
She wasn't hard on me brutally, but it was enough where...
I, she forced me to do things on my own.
But then also what she did is she made sure that she had male influences in my life that I would take after.
Now at the time I didn't understand what was going on.
I'm like, why do you want me to go see Dr. Johnson?
I don't want to go talk to Dr. Johnson, right?
And Dr. Johnson was this cardiologist who she would force me to go talk to and be around.
joe rogan
That's very wise of your mother though.
colion noir
Yeah, she is.
I mean, she's freaking phenomenal at that.
Like, I should be inherently fucked up.
Flat out.
But because of her I'm not.
joe rogan
That's amazing.
That's amazing that she was wise enough to see that and to recognize that and to act on it.
Because if you don't, it's too late.
You let that guy get to adulthood and you can't influence him then.
It's very hard to take a fucked up grown adult and then turn him around.
colion noir
And I think the beautiful thing I'm glad she didn't do with me that I've seen sometimes with single parents sometimes is she didn't baby me.
In a manner in which, like, she understood her limitations as a woman.
So she knew she had to have male influence to some degree.
So she was very cautious about, like, if my mom happened to be a hoe, I would never know.
Because she did such a phenomenal job in curating whoever it was that was going to be around me that was a man.
And that influence and how much that played a part in me growing up.
Because I think she understood, I can only do so much as a woman to teach this guy how to be a man.
And now when I think about things and how I compose and how I handle myself, I subconsciously think about those individuals who I interacted with.
And that's what I pulled from growing up.
And so I thank her for that, at least knowing her limitations from that standpoint.
Figuring out a way to provide that example for me.
joe rogan
Yeah, that's very important.
It's very important.
I got very fortunate that when I was young, I got involved in martial arts when I was really young.
colion noir
Same here.
I did, too.
I didn't continue with it to the degree that you did, but I definitely—and for me, martial arts turned into basketball for me, and that's what that was.
joe rogan
Well, it's anything that's difficult to do.
Things that are difficult, where it's undeniable that the work you put in equals how much better you get, period.
I mean, there's certain genetic advantages, but even with those genetic advantages, the more work you put in, the more results you will get.
And there's other people with genetic advantages, too.
And then when you're competing, then you're competing against a bunch of people that are driven, and they have a much higher standard, and that's what athletics provides a lot of people.
colion noir
To this day, I pull from my experiences playing basketball.
Because when I was younger, like, it's funny to say now because, like, as an adult, you're like, you're not going to the NBA College.
But nobody could tell me that I wasn't.
No one.
And I worked like that's what I was going to do.
I put in the effort.
I put in the work.
No one was going to outwork me for that.
And because of it, All of the struggle, everything I did from that point to now, I still pull from that because it set a pattern of behavior in me.
So all I did was, when I realized your hoop dreams aren't happening, I just transferred that drive, that consistency, that discipline, and I just transferred over to what I was doing next.
And I just continued to do that.
Whatever I switch up to and start doing next, that's what I put it into.
joe rogan
That's what I was taught.
I was taught when I was young that martial arts are a vehicle for developing your human potential.
And if you could figure out how to get good at this, you can figure out how to get good at pretty much everything.
colion noir
Yeah.
I think one thing I have a regret I regret is not living longer in martial arts.
Because I think I have a brutal, brutal amount of respect for any individual who can perfect a craft in that space.
I think fighters are some of the toughest people on the planet.
joe rogan
Which is by virtue of what they do.
colion noir
They have to be.
Exactly.
joe rogan
That is what they do.
They do one of the toughest things to do.
You're going against, willingly going against a trained individual who has spent time preparing for you.
colion noir
Literally.
joe rogan
Yeah.
colion noir
Like, it's not like, oh, I'm out and about and I got caught off guard and I can take advantage of the fact that he doesn't know.
This is like, I'm coming to kill you.
Not literally, but I'm coming to kill you.
joe rogan
You're coming to kill me.
You got press conferences.
You're talking shit to each other.
Getting all ramped up emotionally.
colion noir
Yeah.
joe rogan
Yeah, it's...
I mean, that's also why it's so exciting to see.
colion noir
Yeah.
joe rogan
Because, you know, you're seeing, like, oh my god, these guys have been getting ready for this forever.
Here we go.
When you see two dudes just looking at each other across the octagon, they're staring at each other, getting ready to go.
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Fuck.
joe rogan
Just the tension in the air is so crazy.
colion noir
And what's crazy is the...
You can be on top of the world one, two, three fights in.
And then in two seconds, just like that, everything comes crashing down.
And so then now you have to figure out how to pick those pieces back up.
Because there's very small room, there's very little margin of error to come back from a loss.
joe rogan
And the crazy thing is a lot of times fighters are at the peak of their ability and then they have one loss and they fall off a cliff.
That's like Tony Ferguson is the greatest example of that.
He was the scariest fucking guy in the 155 pound division until he wasn't.
And then he loses to Justin Gaethje and then he goes on like a seven fight losing streak.
It's crazy because for years no one can touch him.
For years he was literally the boogeyman.
Everyone was scared of that dude.
colion noir
And the crazy thing is, with UFC fighting, there's no one way to be the best.
joe rogan
Right.
colion noir
Because there's so much going on in a fight that one lapse in focus, that split-second lapse in focus, fight's done.
Done.
joe rogan
Done.
colion noir
Right?
And you could be perfect in everything else.
joe rogan
Yep.
colion noir
Just like that.
joe rogan
That's Kamaru Usman and Leon Edwards.
Kamaru's dominating for the whole fight, and then in the fifth round, with like a minute to go, gets head kicked into the shadow realm.
And it's crazy, and then Kamaru loses the next fight, and then he loses the fight after that.
So Kamaru's this unbelievably dominant champion, and then one head kick.
I mean, he's still on the hunt.
He can still come back.
He had a really good fight in his last fight against Hamzat Chemaev, but he lost.
And then here you are, three losses in a row.
colion noir
What you do with that loss is everything.
It's literally everything.
And it's probably way harder than any fight that you've actually been in.
joe rogan
And then there's the reality of your body.
Your body can only take so much of that before it just starts to fail.
And Kamara, one of the things that I really admire about him, he's so open and honest about his injuries.
Like, his knees are so fucked up.
He can't run.
He doesn't walk downstairs.
He goes backwards downstairs.
colion noir
We need to send him to Ben.
joe rogan
To Ben?
colion noir
Knees over toes.
joe rogan
Oh, yeah.
Yeah.
I'm sure that would help a little, but I'm sure he's probably doing that stuff.
He has no cartilage in his knees.
His knees are destroyed.
colion noir
Gotcha.
joe rogan
I mean, they're destroyed.
They're bone on bone.
He's resigned himself to this thing that at one point...
If you look at Kamaru's body, his upper body looks like a fucking superhero.
But he has these small legs.
colion noir
Gotcha.
joe rogan
His legs are so small compared to his upper body.
And part of that is because his knees are destroyed.
There's only so much he can do with his legs.
colion noir
Funny thing is, I'm the opposite.
My legs are too damn big.
I hate them, dude.
joe rogan
What do you mean you hate your legs?
colion noir
They're too big.
joe rogan
What are you talking about?
colion noir
They're too big.
I have big legs.
I have big calves.
Ever since I was young.
They used to call me calves because my calves are so big.
joe rogan
That's great genetics, man.
You should have been a kickboxer.
It's a giant advantage.
colion noir
I mean, probably so, but it's a little too late now.
joe rogan
It's not too late to train.
colion noir
Yeah, and I did.
I was training at Fortis for a period of time.
Oh, were you really?
Yeah, me and Safe are really good friends.
joe rogan
Oh, that's great.
I love that, dude.
I love that gym, too.
That's a great fucking gym.
colion noir
Honestly, during COVID, it was my refuge.
joe rogan
Yeah?
colion noir
That gym was my refuge during COVID, dude.
I mean, and I was going to do some dark times in that gym.
Yeah.
Hell, Saif!
That gym was my refuge.
joe rogan
Shout out to Saif Saoud.
He's awesome.
He's a great coach too.
colion noir
Yeah, I know he is.
Should I see him doing that gym?
joe rogan
He's so good in the corner.
A sign of a great coach is the way they give advice in between rounds.
And that guy is precise, he's technical, he's motivating, he's intense.
He lets you know.
He's not going to sugarcoat shit.
colion noir
It's not just the ring, bro.
joe rogan
I'm sure.
colion noir
Yeah.
When me and Safe talk, we're talking.
joe rogan
He's intense.
That's how you become a great coach.
You understand things for what they really are, and this is what you have to do, and there's no ifs, ands, or buts about it.
colion noir
You know, it's funny.
I don't know if he wants me to tell this story, but sorry, bro.
I mean, it's not that big a deal, but the way we met, I met him at a gun range.
So I met him at a gun range, and then I figured it was a good time for me to get into fighting again.
So I called him up.
I was like, hey, I'm good with the gun stuff, but it means nothing if I can't work my hands, right?
So I called him, went to the gym, kind of did the first, you know, showed me the lay of the land, and then he got a notification on his phone that his alarm was going off.
And like somebody was breaking into his house.
And he was like, and we just met.
But he knew who I was in the space that I'm in.
And he was like, dude, something's going on in my house.
I need to figure out what's going on.
He's like going to roll with me.
joe rogan
Oh, shit.
colion noir
Yeah, so we hop in his truck.
We drive to his house, and we cleared his house.
joe rogan
Oh, shit.
colion noir
I don't know if you want me to tell the story.
If I did, I'm sorry.
But, yeah.
And then from there, we just became best friends.
After that, it was like we went shooting together.
joe rogan
But dude is willing to come clear your house with you.
That's a ride or die right there.
I mean, that is the scariest situation ever.
You don't know what's in your house.
Any room could be filled with a guy with a gun.
You literally don't know.
colion noir
Now, was it the smartest thing to probably do?
No, but I think it was one of those situations you don't think you just go.
You just go.
And I've done it in my house before where I've gotten home, and this is a little on the lower end of intensity, but sometimes that garage door is cracked open when you get back and you're like, what the fuck?
And you're like, I know I closed that door.
And then it's like, alright, let's figure this out.
Now I'm clearing my house.
joe rogan
The reality of crime and the reality of violence is something that you can't just fucking bury your head in the sand about.
It doesn't mean you have to be a violent person or a terrible person.
And you're clearly not.
You're a very nice guy.
But you are very well trained.
You know what to do with weapons.
And that will...
If the shit hits the fan one day, that will serve you well.
colion noir
And I mean...
God forbid that ever happens.
God forbid that ever happens.
Look, I carry a gun every single day.
As long as I can legally.
joe rogan
Praying that you never have to use it.
colion noir
If I ever have to use my gun in self-defense, I'm going to have to get therapy.
joe rogan
Yes.
Period.
Yeah, probably.
colion noir
But that's just it.
I don't want to have to.
joe rogan
Exactly.
colion noir
But I much more don't want to find myself in a situation where I have to, but I can't do anything about it because I don't have the thing I need to do it.
joe rogan
Or you can't protect someone you love, which is even more terrifying.
Even worse.
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Exactly.
joe rogan
You watch something happen, there's nothing you can do about it.
Bro, kind of unrelated, but...
Did you see this fucking thing that happened in California where this woman stabbed her boyfriend 108 times and they let her go with community service?
They said that she was psychotic from smoking marijuana.
colion noir
So I don't smoke.
joe rogan
By the way, I've been smoking a long time.
I ain't never thought about stabbing one person ever.
Forget about someone that you're in a relationship with 108 times.
colion noir
Yeah, that's something else.
joe rogan
The defense was that she had a psychotic break from, I think it was one hit.
colion noir
So I had a bad panic attack from one hit.
joe rogan
Yeah, you can have a panic attack with some strong, especially if you're not a regular smoke.
colion noir
No, I wasn't.
joe rogan
Was it a bong hit or a joint?
colion noir
It was a joint.
What it was was it was my first time actually inhaling.
joe rogan
You went to Bill Clinton the way before?
colion noir
No, seriously.
And I just, all I remember, I couldn't stop coughing.
Not realizing each cough is just sending more THC to my system.
And that was the real, like, that was me really smoking for the first time.
And let's just say, all I remember, I'm sitting on a couch, having a massive panic attack, watching Eddie Murphy Raw.
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Hey!
colion noir
And how I knew I was fucked up was I've watched Raw multiple times and never have I not laughed my ass off.
And I remember sitting there watching it and I was like, this is not funny.
I was like, oh dude, so what's wrong with you, dude?
joe rogan
You were just freaking out.
Yeah, you can freak out, man.
colion noir
Yeah.
joe rogan
So this is the story.
jamie vernon
I mean, it just said that this New York president was just really strong weed.
30% weed.
joe rogan
Whatever.
Whatever.
One hit.
She stabbed her boyfriend 108 times.
I don't care if she took 18 bong hits.
jamie vernon
And herself and the dog.
colion noir
What?
joe rogan
Well, maybe there's something wrong with her, and she shouldn't get fucking community service.
That's insane.
She stabbed her dog and then stabbed herself repeatedly after deputies were called to their apartment.
Okay, first of all, when people kill people, they often kill themselves.
This happens to men who kill their girlfriends or their ex-girlfriends.
Oftentimes, they'll shoot themselves.
It happens all the time.
colion noir
She found out he was cheating.
joe rogan
Well, whatever it was.
The whole thing is she received just two years of probation, 100 hours of community service, and no prison time.
colion noir
I would believe that more if it was alcohol.
joe rogan
Even alcohol doesn't make any...
colion noir
No, but that's what I'm saying.
joe rogan
It would have to be like crystal meth mixed with...
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PCP? Yeah.
joe rogan
The lawyers were asked to describe the difference in her case in a fatal drunken driving crash, which Goldstein chalked up to awareness, noting that, I don't know how you say her name, whatever her last name is, did not know what she was getting herself into as Amelia provided the pot but did not show her the warning on the label.
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What?
joe rogan
As far as the DUI is concerned, that person knowingly and consciously drinks to excess and decides to get behind the wheel of a car.
In Mrs., whatever her name is, case, she took a hit of what she believed to be a legal consumer product in the sanctity of Mr. O'Melia's home as they sat on his couch with no plans to go drive home later that evening.
jamie vernon
43 times in her neck she stabbed herself.
joe rogan
She stabbed herself 43 times in the neck.
Oh my god.
Well, that's the marks on her neck?
I don't think she's really trying that hard.
Well, listen, people try to kill themselves after they kill somebody.
Look, if you're lying there and your boyfriend has got 108 stab wounds and you're like, oh my god, my life is over.
I'm going to jail for the rest of my life.
colion noir
But why the dog?
joe rogan
Because she's fucking just an angry lady.
colion noir
I think she just had a psychotic break and I don't think it was the week.
joe rogan
Who knows?
colion noir
I think she found out something she did not want to find out.
joe rogan
It could be.
colion noir
And she just snapped.
joe rogan
But it might not be that.
I mean, Sheena might be fucking legitimately crazy, but either way, two hours or 100 hours of community service and two years of probation is fucking nuts.
You just killed somebody.
Imagine the rules reversed.
Imagine if it was a man who stabbed his wife or his girlfriend 108 times and then stabbed the dog.
colion noir
He'd be under the jail.
joe rogan
He'd be under the jail.
Death sentence.
Experts for both the defense and the prosecution concluded the pot she smoked caused her to slip into a psychotic state.
Now, here's the story.
You can have psychotic breaks from marijuana.
It is possible.
It's possible to have schizophrenic breaks from marijuana.
It's well documented with certain people that have...
Predisposition.
Yes.
But either way!
It doesn't make any sense.
Marijuana is not a violent drug.
It's not the kind of drug that makes you want to hurt somebody.
colion noir
And keep in mind, this is coming from somebody who does not like marijuana.
At all.
I don't believe that.
joe rogan
It sounds insane.
colion noir
I don't believe that.
joe rogan
It sounds insane.
There's probably a lot more to that story.
colion noir
Very much so.
Very, very, very much so.
joe rogan
She stabbed herself in the neck.
colion noir
Jesus Christ.
jamie vernon
The deputy used a stun gun on her four times and another deputy hit her with the metal baton multiple times before knocking the knife out of her hand.
joe rogan
While she was stabbing herself or him?
jamie vernon
I guess herself.
I just didn't say who she was stabbing.
joe rogan
She might have started stabbing herself when the cops showed up too.
Like, who knows?
colion noir
Yeah, yeah.
joe rogan
I mean, the whole thing is nuts.
colion noir
I mean, but then again, I've seen, like, I watched a video on the way up here.
I didn't watch it.
I was listening to it while I was driving on the way up here.
And, like, it was this girl.
I guess she was drunk or something.
And the cops were trying to arrest her.
And she completely lost it.
I mean, screaming at the top of her lungs.
Like, I mean, complete psychotic breakdown.
joe rogan
Yeah.
colion noir
Just to avoid accountability of the fact that she was driving drunk.
joe rogan
There's some people that are out of their fucking minds, but I just don't think two years of probation is enough for that.
That sounds insane.
colion noir
I think that goes without saying.
joe rogan
It sounds so insane that the judge said that.
colion noir
I want to talk to the judge.
jamie vernon
Whoa, hold on, too.
They were only dating for three weeks?
joe rogan
Oh my god, so even if you cheated on her, what the fuck?
jamie vernon
That wouldn't warrant that.
Wow.
joe rogan
She worked as an audiologist?
What is that?
jamie vernon
Sound.
joe rogan
And the dude was an accountant.
Maybe she stabbed him because he's boring.
It's a horrible tragedy all the way around, Swartz said.
It's a tragedy for the victim in his family.
It's a tragedy for my client and her family.
Yeah.
Well, it's certainly a tragedy.
But high-potency marijuana should put you in a place where you're terrified of everything.
Everything, yeah.
colion noir
Exactly.
joe rogan
Not that you have the ability to grab a knife and stab a guy 108 times.
That sounds nuts.
That sounds so nuts.
jamie vernon
It said in September they got the murder charge dropped to involuntary manslaughter after it was determined she lost her cognitive abilities because she was in the throes of psychosis.
joe rogan
Yeah.
Maybe.
But, I mean, I just don't think that absolves you of responsibility.
You know, the thing about it is there's no way to know what was going on in her head, which is the thing, like, you know, a friend of mine sent me a video, Tim Dillon sent me this video of these schizophrenics in downtown L.A. It's so crazy.
There's so many of them.
And all these different people are walking on the street just screaming at people who aren't there and just yelling into the sky.
colion noir
I have...
My old place in Dallas.
I had a guy call him Richie.
I don't really know his name.
I just call him that because he likes to stand outside my door and just have loud conversations with himself.
It wasn't like all the time, but it'd be like once every like three or four months.
And he would just be standing.
I don't know why he picked my door to do it.
I don't know.
I never engaged with him or interacted with him.
I would just hear him out open window.
Like, there goes Richie.
But, yeah.
joe rogan
The mind is so weird.
colion noir
It is.
joe rogan
You know, it's like just the fact that a human being...
Forget about...
Under the state of marijuana, PCP, whatever.
Just the fact that there's something, if you've never stabbed anyone before, there's something that someone can give you that can motivate you to do that.
Where you've never done that before, you've never stabbed anybody, and then all of a sudden you stab some guy you've been dating 108 times.
The mind is just so weird.
You know, we were talking today earlier while we were at the range about Instagram and about the shit you see on Instagram these days.
And we were talking about how when we were kids, faces of death was the wildest thing we'd ever seen.
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And it was nothing compared to what you see on Instagram.
colion noir
Nothing.
Nothing.
You can go on Instagram and see 1,150...
You know I'm about to get in my soapbox, right?
joe rogan
Yeah, please.
colion noir
You can go on Instagram and watch 1,150 million people get stabbed, shot, killed, thrown off buildings, and it'll show up on your Explorer page.
joe rogan
Right.
colion noir
I post a picture of a gun.
I'm throttled.
I don't show up on the Explorer page.
joe rogan
I've never seen a gun on my Explorer page.
colion noir
The level of...
I don't even call it shadow banning anymore.
They tell you they're doing it.
Like, I can't post...
This is the responsible way to handle a firearm.
joe rogan
Throttled.
colion noir
Throttled.
Like, it's insane.
What Instagram is doing to the gun community is monumentally insane.
So you know what the fucked up part about it is?
Because of the way they are about that...
The only representation of firearms that you're going to get exposed to, generally speaking, if you're not already following them, are the negative representations of firearms or the unsafe way to handle a firearm because those are making it.
But the shit that we post, the responsible shit, that doesn't.
joe rogan
Bro, how many videos have you seen of dudes in traditional Arab attire shooting the guns off in the air and then they accidentally shoot their friend?
colion noir
Dude.
joe rogan
There's so many of those.
colion noir
You see way more of those.
joe rogan
They're just dancing.
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Dot, dot, dot, dot, dot.
Dot, dot, dot, dot, dot.
joe rogan
Bang!
colion noir
Dude gets it in the head.
joe rogan
I've seen so many of those.
colion noir
You want to know how I learned gun safety when I got into guns?
joe rogan
Sure.
colion noir
Fucking YouTube.
Because there were so many examples of people.
When I started, when I got into guns and I got into the gun community, there were so many people who were iterating over and over and over again.
Check your gun.
Make sure it's clear.
Never point it at something you're not willing to destroy.
Guns are always loaded at all times, no matter what.
It became ingrained in my brain.
They almost shamed you into gun safety.
joe rogan
Well, one of the things today was a very good representation of that.
Everyone today had responsible gun safety habits.
Everyone today.
Everyone was pointing the gun at the ground.
Everyone's clearing the gun.
No one ever pointed a gun in the direction of someone.
People were constantly checking.
Even after they cleared the gun...
colion noir
They were literally...
Probably 25 guns out there.
joe rogan
Yeah.
colion noir
And magazines all over the place.
joe rogan
All over the place.
colion noir
But, like I said, it's establishing that safety dynamic.
joe rogan
Yeah.
colion noir
And you can't...
And they talk about...
Man, I'm getting on my soapbox.
joe rogan
Get on it.
colion noir
They talk about...
The other side talks about this idea of gun safety, firearm safety.
And the way they go about doing it is by blocking off all the people who are teaching the safe way to handle a firearm.
I don't understand this.
If you want to have a population, we have 400 million guns in this country.
The guns aren't going anywhere.
So if you want to minimize the number of kids who accidentally shoot themselves, if you want to minimize the number of adults who handle firearms incorrectly and accidentally shooting someone, what you need to do is allow the information of how to safely handle a firearm be spread to the public so that they understand it.
It works because that's how I learned it.
No one came to me and said this is the safe way to do it.
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it.
colion noir
I went online.
I was learning about firearms and I learned from the people who are handling responsibly how to responsibly handle a firearm.
And as a result, I could I started creating videos and I started teaching people how to responsibly handle firearms.
And then those people who start making their own videos and teaching people how to responsibly handle firearms.
But instead, what we're getting with the dynamic of social media nowadays is they are trying to shut down all of the people who are demonstrating how to handle a firearm responsibly or even just talking about the law aspect of it.
So do you want people running around out there who don't understand the legal aspect of owning a firearm?
Or when you actually decide to carry a firearm, when is a good time not to shoot?
When is a good time to shoot?
No.
Instead, they shadow ban and block all of our content.
And only leave the negative representation out there.
And then wonder why all of these accidental shootings continue to happen.
joe rogan
And the negative ones find their way into my feed all the time from people that I don't follow.
colion noir
Exactly.
joe rogan
So they must know.
We were talking about today about that thing that you click on that says, do you still want to watch this?
This could be disturbing.
So they know.
colion noir
They know about it.
joe rogan
They know.
I watched a guy get cut in half by a train today.
They were fucking around on the train station, the guy pushes his friend, and the train comes, and his friend goes in between the train and the crack and gets ripped apart.
The guys grab his arms, they pull him, and it's just guts out of a torso.
And everyone's screaming.
It's horrible.
And it just showed up on my Instagram.
colion noir
Yep, I see it all the time.
joe rogan
So if they have that warning, they must know what that is.
Does TikTok, I'm not on TikTok.
colion noir
They banned me.
joe rogan
But does, they banned you?
colion noir
Just for showing guns.
Just for showing guns.
joe rogan
Does TikTok show violence?
Do they have that kind of violence?
colion noir
I don't know, honestly, because...
joe rogan
You're bad.
colion noir
Because I was...
The fucked up thing about it is this...
Like, when I started the TikTok page, and you remember, TikTok is a younger audience.
joe rogan
What's it skewed towards?
colion noir
It's skewed to teens.
joe rogan
Teens.
colion noir
Yeah.
But the thing about it is, I can go on TikTok and watch girls engage in suggestive sexual behavior all day long on TikTok.
Right.
And I'm like, but anything with a firearm, regardless whether it's safe or not, They just banned me.
Just flat out.
And I'm like, what did I do exactly here?
joe rogan
Is that anyone on TikTok that chose firearms?
Or is it everyone gets banned?
colion noir
I'm assuming so.
I don't know because I can't really...
I can't peruse it and figure out what else is on there.
Because even when I tried to...
I tried to...
What do you call it?
I tried to appeal this decision.
And then they just reaffirmed it.
And so, it's one of those things that's very frustrating.
The funny thing is, X, which I know you don't like being called X, but X don't have that problem.
joe rogan
Well, they let porn on you.
colion noir
Yeah, there's that.
joe rogan
That's the Wild West over there.
I mean, listen, I'm not against it.
You do whatever you want.
I like the internet.
I like the actual internet.
I like people being able to show what they're interested in.
As long as you're not victimizing someone, as long as you're not doxing people, threatening, all that stuff.
But other than the things that are illegal and should be, you should be able to show whatever the fuck you want.
If there's an active gun community, and especially someone like you that promotes responsible gun use and shows people how to handle things correctly, It says you can on TikTok.
jamie vernon
This is their policy on guns.
joe rogan
They do not allow the trade of firearms or explosive weapons or content showing or promoting them if they are not used in a safe or appropriate setting.
What does that mean?
colion noir
What does that mean?
joe rogan
TikTok can be a place that educates people on the responsible use and ownership of weapons.
colion noir
No, they do not.
joe rogan
Well, that's not true.
colion noir
Nope, that's not true at all.
joe rogan
Because everything you do is responsible.
I've seen 50 of your fucking videos.
I've never seen one irresponsible video.
colion noir
It's insane.
joe rogan
Firearms and explosive weapons can cause severe injury or death, especially when used in an unsafe manner.
Exactly.
But what you were saying is so important to hear that if you don't see the responsible use of it from someone who knows how to do it and also knows how to teach people that, how is that message going to get out there?
That's how people learn how to use them correctly.
colion noir
Exactly.
But here we are.
unidentified
Here we are.
colion noir
You know, the irony is at least, like YouTube has its problems.
But they're getting better with it.
At least YouTube will guide you on, okay, this is what we're okay with and this is what we're not okay with.
And then even if they get it wrong, they'll fix it.
joe rogan
So does YouTube demonetize any of your videos?
colion noir
Yeah, all the time.
Now, I can appeal it.
Right?
And submit it for a manual review.
And then sometimes, like, I have two videos right now that are under manual review.
And sometimes they're like, yeah, sometimes they're like, no.
joe rogan
And what is their objection to what's in those videos?
colion noir
It's all over the place, honestly.
It can be, like, display of extreme violence, right?
Right.
So like I do, I have a series called defensive gun use where I talk about stories where people who can still carry use guns to defend their lives.
Right.
Because one of the narratives on the other side is that not that many people use guns in self-defense when we all know that's absolutely not true.
So what I've started doing was aggregating a lot of those stories and talking about them.
And in whatever whatever context or angle I have to talk about, whatever aspect, like, for instance, there was a guy at the gas station recently who who shot the robber who robbed another guy at gunpoint.
Right.
And so I talk about it from that standpoint that, you know, with Texas, Texas, you can shoot some you can you can defend a third party's property with lethal force under certain contexts.
Right.
And so I go and explain those contexts.
The point of me doing that and then in the same video, I said, but be careful not only in the defense of third parties property, but also in defending third parties.
Make sure if you're going to do something like that, you understand, you truly understand the context of what's happening.
Because you may think somebody is the aggressor when in reality they're the victim.
joe rogan
Right.
colion noir
Right?
So if you're going to do that, you need to be absolutely positive.
joe rogan
Right.
colion noir
You know who the aggressor is.
joe rogan
If you stumble upon someone who's beaten someone's ass, that person might have attacked that person.
And that person might know how to fight.
Now they've got the guy on the ground, they're pounding on him, and then you shoot him.
colion noir
Shoot him, exactly.
And a lot of people don't think about those things.
Not because they're stupid, but because they just may be new to carrying a firearm, and they don't understand that that could be a context that they find themselves in.
joe rogan
Well, that's context of arguments, too.
You can stumble into an argument in the middle of someone screaming at someone, and you're like, hey man, fuck you.
But you don't know what happened before that.
colion noir
You don't.
But for us being able to have those type of conversations in a safe place like online beforehand, now when somebody who watches a video like that, they can watch the video and then they go out and they go...
Oh, I remember when so-and-so did a video on this.
Okay, maybe before, they may have jumped a gun had they not watched that video.
But watching the video, they took an extra step to say, okay, and assess the situation for what it is, and then realize, oh, I read that wrong.
Or I had a follower of mine, he actually, I had him on my podcast, my virtual podcast that I do for the gun side of things, and he told me I saved his life.
My video saved his life.
And he said, the reason why my video saved his life is because for the longest time, he didn't carry with a round in the chamber.
And a lot of people I know don't carry a round in the chamber.
A lot of my friends don't carry with a round in the chamber.
And I started off carrying a gun without carrying a round in the chamber because I felt unsafe doing it.
And I understand that dynamic because it's a loaded gun that you're putting in your...
God forbid you carry appendix like I do.
joe rogan
It's pointing at your dick.
colion noir
It's pointing at your dick, right?
Yeah.
But, and I expressed that, look, if you're not going to carry it around the chamber, at least understand the limitations that come with it.
Because there are some limitations that come with it.
You're not going to be able to get your gun as fast if a situation happens quickly.
So you need to understand that.
So what does that mean?
That means that when you're out and about, you need to be more situationally aware.
Probably a little bit more so than, say, someone like me, because I can get to my gun in under a second.
It might take you two or three.
So it's talking through those type of dynamics.
And so after he watched the video, he kind of did an experiment that I said.
I said, carry without a round in the chamber for a period of time and then see how often that gun is accidentally engaged.
And you'll start to realize that as long as you have a couple of things, you'll be fine.
A good holster and a good belt.
If you carry in that manner, you like to carry in your fanny pack.
That's a different story.
But but like, for instance, like not always.
Yeah.
OK, exactly.
So.
So like and and then with how dynamic life is.
Right.
There's so many different ways to carry.
But not a lot of people know how to do this.
So, for instance, like, I'm in sweats a lot of the time, right?
So, I've, over to my experiences, because I have access to so many different guns and so many different holsters, I'm able to experiment.
So, I'm like, okay, I'm in sweats a lot.
I'm in joggers a lot.
What can I do to carry a firearm in a relatively secure way, safely, right?
about it flopping around, for instance, right?
So, like, for instance, like these joggers I'm wearing now from Arrowhead Tactical, right?
joe rogan
That's what I was going to bring up.
colion noir
Yeah.
joe rogan
That company.
That company.
colion noir
Yeah.
They make joggers specifically for concealed carry.
joe rogan
Yeah, so I have some of those.
colion noir
Exactly.
And I love them.
Like, I'm trying out their new shit now.
You wouldn't know about that otherwise.
I know people who carry in sweats and they just stick the gun in there.
joe rogan
Right.
colion noir
And they don't know any better.
unidentified
Right.
colion noir
Right?
So it's that type of information that our videos are providing.
joe rogan
How did it save that dude's life?
colion noir
Oh, gotcha.
So as far as saving his life, what he said was after he watched the video, he started carrying with a round in the chamber.
And I can't remember if he said a couple weeks ago, a couple weeks later, he's a jeweler.
And so as a jeweler, he was selling some jewelry to someone, and it was actually a setup.
And there were guys who were coming, they were trying to rob him.
So the guys came to rob him, and because he had a round in the chamber, another guy did it.
When he was getting ready to pull out, when he was pulling out his gun, his gun was already pulled.
And he had a round on the table so he was able to shoot the guy, neutralize him, and get gone.
unidentified
Wow.
colion noir
Yeah.
And so I did.
I mean, I had him on my...
He does a better job of explaining the details.
joe rogan
God, that's a split-second difference.
unidentified
Yeah.
colion noir
I mean, shh, shh, shh.
joe rogan
And boom.
colion noir
Exactly.
And fractions of a second is what matters in self-defense situations.
joe rogan
Especially if you're a jeweler.
Jesus Christ.
Yeah.
colion noir
And so, you know, he was like, your video saved my life.
Now, I'm not going to take the credit for that.
I mean, I just...
All you did, you made the decision yourself that you felt comfortable with, and that's what you did.
But the information he had...
To get to that point is what was important.
What do you know about the reality of accidental discharge with a P320? So, here's my understanding of the P320. Because I've heard different things, right?
joe rogan
Me too.
But there's so many stories that are on.
colion noir
Because I carry a SIG. It's in the lineup of my carry rotation of guns, right?
Which one?
The P365. Okay, the smaller one.
No, actually, the P365. The macro?
The macro.
joe rogan
The one with the larger handle, more rounds.
colion noir
Yes.
So, I still carry that one.
joe rogan
It's a great gun.
colion noir
Yeah, love it.
joe rogan
It's so small.
colion noir
It's so small, but so big.
joe rogan
It's a 9mm, and it has all those rounds.
colion noir
Yep, and I'm big on capacity.
That's me.
I'm a capacity whore.
joe rogan
You carry it with a dot?
colion noir
That one, no.
joe rogan
It's so slim.
colion noir
Yeah, because I carry that.
I carry that one.
I carry the Springfield Hillcat Pro.
That has a red dot on it.
Similar size.
joe rogan
Yeah, and then I carry the CS. The.365 is literally smaller than my hand.
colion noir
Yeah, but yet has 17 rounds.
joe rogan
Yeah, it's crazy.
It's crazy.
When I put it in my hand, it's smaller than my hand.
colion noir
Yeah, it's nuts.
I call that my flight gun.
I have guns for everything.
So I have my Voltec case that I have for flying.
You know, when you fly with a gun, you have to have a TSA approved case.
So that stays in that box.
It stays in it.
So anytime I travel, because I travel a lot, I already have it there.
It's already set up where I need to go.
Throw it in my suitcase and I'm good to go.
So that's where I keep that.
The macro is designated for that gun.
And then my go-to's are the CS from Ticato or the Springfield Hellcat Pro.
joe rogan
But the 320, does it have the same firing pin setup as the 365?
colion noir
I don't think so.
joe rogan
Right.
colion noir
I'm positive it doesn't.
Now, they changed it, too.
They changed it on the 320s after whatever those incidents that they said happened.
joe rogan
How recently?
colion noir
It was some time ago, actually.
It was some time ago.
Now, I hear different stories because for every story you hear about the gun going off, there's another story about the person who's claiming it went off actually caused it to go off because they did something inappropriate.
Like when they were holstering it, they had a floppy holster and they got into the trigger guard and it went off.
There is one story I hear, there is a story of it dropping, landing a specific way, and then gun going off.
That's when I think, when that first happened, I think that's when they made the change to the 320s.
joe rogan
One of America's favorite handguns allegedly firing on its owners Sig Sauer's P320 pistol has wounded more than 80 people.
colion noir
Again.
joe rogan
So they didn't pull the trigger.
colion noir
But who are those people?
joe rogan
Right.
Well, one of them I watched.
There's a video of a cop.
Yeah, the cop is in the precinct and he's bending over and it goes off.
colion noir
So I read into that.
joe rogan
Please.
colion noir
And I think, and I remember reading, I can't get it confirmed.
But I remember reading something to the effect of he had, because one of the things with carrying a firearm when you're coming in and out of a holster, you need to make sure there's nothing impeding the entry of that gun into the holster, because what can happen is your shirt can get caught in the trigger, and when you're putting it in the holster, it creates enough pressure to have the gun go off.
It can happen just like that.
That's why anytime I go to reholster, I remove my shirt all the way, and I pull my holster out, and I watch every second of that gun going into the holster.
I'm never in a rush to put my gun in the holster.
There's no point.
Because if you're putting the gun up, that means there's no more threat.
So I'm looking, I'm looking, I'm looking, I'm making sure everything is clear.
Sometimes I'll go so far as to take the holster out, put the gun in, then put the holster back on.
Because I'm not...
Like I said, I'm not...
joe rogan
But this one went off in the holster.
It was a duty holster.
So it was outside, and so it didn't shoot him.
It shot the ground next to him.
colion noir
You could still...
I'm not saying this is what happened.
But you could still have fabric that gets caught in the outside waistband holster as well.
joe rogan
It didn't seem like that was the case.
colion noir
Again, I only read...
I read into it a little bit, and that was a theory that somebody had posed or someone saying that that's what happened.
I couldn't confirm whether or not that's true or not.
But...
I don't...
joe rogan
There's also guys who do things to triggers.
They put different triggers on it.
colion noir
You can do that.
If you modify your trigger, you can definitely modify it so too far where you can cause the gun, not necessarily to go off on its own.
joe rogan
Some guys like very light triggers.
colion noir
Yeah, but that would just cause the gun to be accidentally automatic.
Full automatic, right?
And that's very illegal.
So from that perspective, but I don't see but for...
Something getting caught in that trigger guard.
This is just me being a gun guy and understanding holsters and how they function.
So there's a couple of things that can take place here.
Either that holster is not the right holster for that gun, because the holsters are specific to the gun, generally speaking.
Or some piece of material clothing got caught in there that he wasn't aware of.
My mind doesn't know how I can justify or explain how the gun just goes off.
joe rogan
It was also a physical movement that the guy did.
Like, he bent forward.
colion noir
Okay, yeah.
I remember seeing that video when he bent forward, and that's what makes me think there may have been a piece of material in the actual holster.
joe rogan
Or a janky holster or something.
colion noir
Possibly.
joe rogan
Something funky.
colion noir
I remember, because I remember raking my brain, and I'm like, how could that...
What could cause it just to go off on its own?
unidentified
Right.
colion noir
Because it's not even like the movement he engaged in was aggressive enough to cause the gun to just jolt and go.
Like, for instance, if it dropped.
I just can't see how that could be the case.
Right.
In all of my years of carrying firearms, and I'm pushing 15 years now, I just don't see it.
I don't.
Dropping it, if it dropped, then I can see that.
joe rogan
But what's crazy is it's one gun.
colion noir
That's a good point.
Now, that gun is also used in a lot of police departments.
joe rogan
Right, but you don't hear about it from Glocks.
colion noir
No.
joe rogan
Right?
It's weird.
colion noir
That's true.
That's very true.
joe rogan
Yeah.
colion noir
Yeah.
joe rogan
It's weird.
unidentified
Well, I've never heard of it.
colion noir
I have.
joe rogan
Accidental discharge without touching the trigger?
colion noir
Yeah.
joe rogan
Was anybody doing anything weird with the gun?
Because Glock has a two-stage, too.
colion noir
Yeah, and so is a P320. Right.
So, the weird thing about accidental discharges, they're not accidental.
They're negligent.
Because, generally speaking, because I've heard cops say, the gun just went off.
No, you pulled the trigger.
You didn't realize you pulled the trigger, but you did.
joe rogan
Oh, you mean in a fight or flight situation?
colion noir
Even just normally.
Because you got to think about it.
If you take, I've done this test before.
Men, women, it doesn't matter.
You give a gun to somebody who's never actually handled a gun, what's the first thing they do?
If I just hand them a gun.
unidentified
Put the trigger on the trigger.
colion noir
Exactly.
Yeah.
It's a very natural, instinctive thing to do.
It's very unnatural to keep your trigger finger off of the gun.
unidentified
Right.
colion noir
Your brain's not wired to do that.
It's like, this is the thing that makes the gun go.
Put your finger there.
joe rogan
Yes.
colion noir
And so a lot of.
I'm not going to say...
I hesitate to say this because I don't have hard data.
I just have anecdotal data.
But a lot of cops aren't necessarily gun people.
A lot of them never shoot their guns outside of the qualification.
So outside of that, I can see situations where a lot of cops...
I think the gun went off on their own, but they just have bad manipulation skills of a firearm because they haven't ingrained it into their stuff.
You give me a toy gun, immediately my index finger is going on the side.
It's not touching that trigger.
You give me a staple gun.
Because I've ingrained it.
It's something I've ingrained because I handle firearms so often.
joe rogan
Yeah.
colion noir
And a lot of cops don't handle firearms as much as people give them credit for.
unidentified
Right.
colion noir
Yeah, because they're not all gun guys.
joe rogan
That's the scary thing, right?
colion noir
Yeah.
joe rogan
If guys are on the job and they don't train.
colion noir
Yeah.
I've known cops that don't like guns.
They only carry it because they have to for their job.
joe rogan
How crazy.
colion noir
Right?
But then, the person who taught me initially how to shoot, he was a cop.
But he's a gun guy.
unidentified
Right.
colion noir
You get what I'm saying?
Yes.
joe rogan
Big difference.
colion noir
If he told me the gun went off, I'd believe him.
joe rogan
Right.
colion noir
Right.
But I have a hard time believing, and to answer your question with Glocks, yeah, I've heard cops say, oh, the gun just went off.
And I was like, no, it didn't.
You put your finger on the trigger, you didn't realize that.
joe rogan
But there's way less.
And there's also, there's not like P-226s.
colion noir
Yeah, it's very specific to the 320s, which I agree with you.
joe rogan
Yeah.
unidentified
I have two or three of them.
colion noir
320s.
joe rogan
I have one that I got from Dave Mods.
It's nice.
I love it.
But every time I touch them, I'm like...
colion noir
Now, I've never...
unidentified
I have four, actually.
colion noir
I have about four of them.
And...
I've never had issues, but I'll be honest and say that's not saying a lot because I don't shoot them often.
joe rogan
Right.
colion noir
So me saying I haven't had issues doesn't really give much credence to anything.
But I'm more inclined, like you bring up an excellent point that it's so specific to a specific model of gun.
joe rogan
And they did a change.
colion noir
Yes.
joe rogan
That's also very specific.
colion noir
From a drop standpoint.
joe rogan
Right, but there was something going on with the way it cocks.
colion noir
Yeah.
I'm trying to remember what it was.
joe rogan
Has it caused accidental fatalities?
colion noir
Not that I'm aware of.
Not that I'm aware of.
But I'm trying to think.
joe rogan
Most people that I talk to, I should say this, for SIG's sake, for the sake of the company, most people that I've talked to are very skeptical.
That are actual gun people.
colion noir
I mean, you can hear it in my voice.
joe rogan
And everybody I talk to.
Jack Carr, all those people that are fans of SIGs.
colion noir
You do make, because I'm a massive fan of SIG. They make great guns.
You bring a great point, though.
The fact that it's exclusive to that.
To one model.
Yeah, it's interesting.
That said...
I don't know, I'm still skeptical enough that I would still, I'd still carry it.
joe rogan
Right, and it's also a thing where it's like, if it really was happening, how was it only 80 people?
Right?
How many 320's are out there in active duty just with cops?
How many 320's do people have for home defense?
colion noir
That's what makes me think.
joe rogan
How many people carry 320's?
It's a common gun to carry.
colion noir
But that's what makes me think.
I promise you if you look into those numbers, the vast majority of those 80 are cops.
I'm almost positive the vast majority of them are going to be cops.
joe rogan
Well, and I look at it the same way, the way you look at guns, the same way I look at martial arts with cops.
There is nothing that drives me more fucking crazy than cops that don't know how to defend themselves and have zero knowledge of grappling and get into exchange with someone and then they're on their back and they don't know what to do.
Like, how did you sign up for this without a rudimentary understanding, at least of grappling?
You don't know what the fuck to do?
You're engaging with someone physically and you don't know how to control them?
Are you hoping they listen?
colion noir
If I was a cop, I'd be in it.
Like, my friend that taught me how to shoot, he's a fighter.
He fights.
joe rogan
That's gotta be part of the job, man.
You know, that's one of the things that Andrew Yang proposed when he was running for president.
He was like, I think that all cops should be at least purple belt level of jiu-jitsu.
I'm like, preach!
Preach!
unidentified
But realistically, Right.
colion noir
You get what I'm saying?
joe rogan
That's a long fucking road, Jack.
colion noir
That's a long road.
joe rogan
That's a long road, Jack.
colion noir
And we can barely get enough cops now as it is.
joe rogan
Just to not be fat.
Right?
How many cops this year are just morbidly obese?
colion noir
Which I think is insanity.
joe rogan
It's insanity.
Like, literally part of your tools for your job is for you to be able to use your body to defend yourself and others and to be able to detain someone.
And you can't do it?
colion noir
Couldn't be me.
At any moment, you could be getting shot at, bro.
At any moment.
joe rogan
Or someone would try to take your gun from you.
I mean, if your gun is in your holster, and your hands are on me, and you don't know how to fight, you're never getting to that gun.
You're not going to get to that gun.
How are you going to get to that gun?
You don't have a chance in hell.
I'm going to overhook that right arm, and that's a wrap.
That's a wrap.
Now you're helpless.
colion noir
And I learned that the first day I started doing Jiu Jitsu.
joe rogan
Especially if you're wearing clothes?
You're wearing clothes and someone has a good overhook and they fucking cinch that bitch down?
colion noir
That's a wrap.
joe rogan
You ain't going nowhere.
You're going nowhere.
And then you get tripped and now you're on your back?
And then some guy rotates so he can grab your gun and you can't even grab it?
colion noir
Yeah.
You better have a retention level 10 on that motherfucker.
joe rogan
And you better, yeah, yeah.
That's an interesting thing, right?
The retention holsters, where people have holsters that are, there's a very specific way.
colion noir
Specific way to get it out.
joe rogan
Yeah.
That scares me in a high-pressure situation, too.
colion noir
I mean, it's one of the things you can train to.
Because the same thing can be said about 1911s, because they have a safety.
joe rogan
Right.
colion noir
Right.
joe rogan
But doesn't your thumb always go on there?
colion noir
Yes, that's the thing about 1911. So safeties on polymer-style guns aren't necessarily the same as the ones...
joe rogan
Where you have to click it?
colion noir
Yeah, because they're a lot smaller.
They're not very intuitive.
joe rogan
And you're like, ah, click!
colion noir
With the 1911, if I were to draw the gun right now, it's just already on it, so it's going to drop.
Whereas with polymer guns, you're kind of fishing for it.
Like, where's this thing?
Oh, there it goes.
But yeah, it's...
unidentified
Man, I... I'm trying to think.
colion noir
Because I remember I had a Beretta.
I was doing a shooting course, a training house.
And one of the scenarios was I was supposed to clear this house.
And they gave me a Beretta.
And it had a safety on it.
And I remember going and clearing through the house.
And then it was a blue gun.
It functioned like a gun, but it didn't shoot bullets.
And a guy popped around a corner.
I was like, oh, shh!
Pulled the gun.
Gun wouldn't go off.
I got to take the safety off.
unidentified
Ooh.
colion noir
Yeah.
joe rogan
Well, that's what training's for.
colion noir
Exactly.
So same thing with the retention holster.
It's like you want to train.
joe rogan
How does a retention holster work exactly?
colion noir
So there are different levels, right?
So there's like one, two, three, level four, level one, level two, level three, level four, right?
So like the lowest amount is just you have a gun in a holster, right?
And you literally turn it upside down, it'll fall out.
Then you have the kind of like the Kydex holsters where you put it in, you hear that click, that kind of like click.
So all you need is just a good tug and it comes out.
Then you have other ones where when you come down on the holster, there's a button because there's like a little thing that goes over the back end of the gun.
So even if you pull it out, it's not coming out.
And so when you come down on the holster, you push the button and it flips out of the way so that you can pull the gun out.
I think there's another level that's even more than that.
There's a little ring on it, and there's a hood, and you've got to remove that.
They're designed where if the gun's on you, it's one motion.
But if it's a gun that's not on you, you're going to be in such an angle, you're going to have a hard time getting to that button, to that thing, to be able to get the gun out.
And like I said, they start at level one all the way up to level four.
Anybody can get them.
You can go to a store and get them.
If I open-carried, I don't open-carry generally.
I don't actually really open carry at all.
The only time I've ever open carried is when I'm out in the country or something like that.
Or in some rural environment.
But generally speaking, if I were to open carry, I would have at least a level 3, level 4 retention holster.
Because I've seen too many videos, I've done too many videos on people who are in a gas station and they're open carrying and then somebody comes up behind them, grabs a gun and runs.
joe rogan
Oh, yeah.
colion noir
You know what I'm saying?
joe rogan
I saw a guy at a convenience store in a video.
A guy had it in his lower back.
A guy snatched his gun and just ran out the door.
colion noir
You can't even chase him.
What are you going to do?
Give me back my gun.
joe rogan
Unless you have one on your ankle, too.
colion noir
Exactly.
And, you know, it's one of those things.
And that's a hotly contested debate in the gun space.
Should you or should you not open carry?
What are the benefits and what are the drawbacks?
Because one mindset says...
If you open carry, you're going to be the first target for a criminal.
But then another person comes up and says, if you open carry, you're going to be the last target because criminals are like, I want a weak target.
I don't want somebody who already has a gun.
I see he has a gun.
I'm going to find somebody else.
joe rogan
Especially if they have situational awareness.
colion noir
Exactly.
And that is...
And it's so easy to say because situational awareness can get you out of a lot of shit where you never even have to go to your gut.
It really can.
I had a situation where I was followed where dudes were trying to rob me.
joe rogan
You told me about that.
colion noir
Yeah.
And only I really believe, if not for my situational awareness, I call it paranoia.
joe rogan
Sometimes paranoia will help.
colion noir
I do not discount my paranoia.
I accept it fully.
I accept it full because when I'm right, it's my best friend.
joe rogan
Well, it's also crime is reality.
colion noir
Yeah.
joe rogan
And the idea that you won't come across crime because you're a good person, that's nuts.
You zig when you should have zagged and you're around the wrong people.
colion noir
Because if I didn't pick them up, they would have caught me slipping because I would have been...
It would've been a wrap.
And there wouldn't be nothing I can do about it.
I could have had 15 guns on me.
Wouldn't have mattered.
Wouldn't have mattered at all.
The thing that sucks, though, is in the moment for someone like me, it just goes to show you, and this is pretty pervasive in all the guys in the gun community.
In that moment when they were chasing me, the whole time I'm thinking through, not only I want to get out of this situation alive, I'm literally thinking, what are the legal Right.
Right.
And so because I know the standard of responsibility for me is exceedingly higher.
joe rogan
Right.
colion noir
Because one, I'm a known gun guy.
But purely just me having a concealed carry.
My burden of responsibility is 10 times higher, even that of the criminal.
Right.
Because you should have known.
You're a concealed carrier.
Right?
So there's so many things that, like, when you are a concealed carrier or someone who just carries a gun, you're already behind an eight ball.
All a criminal has to do is wake up and decide, I'm going to go engage in some criminal shit.
I'm going to find somebody.
I'm going to attack them.
They know exactly what they're going to do.
They know exactly what they're going to bring.
I'm just living my life and I have to react to this So not only do I have to react to the fact that somebody may try to rob me I have to react if I have to be thinking about what did at what point can I will I be justified in even using my Firearm to protect myself, right?
Because in that at that time when I was in the car and they were following chase me car Yeah Technically they were chasing me, but I couldn't stick my gun out the window and start shooting right because they hadn't technically broke a law yet, right?
They haven't done anything to warrant to justify me.
They could have just been chasing me just to have fun.
I don't know.
And so I have to think about those things as a legal, responsible gun owner.
Criminals don't.
So it always pisses me off that these politicians make laws that make it even harder to For legal gun owners to exercise that right.
Like, these laws don't do anything but make it harder for us because we obey laws.
joe rogan
Like, what law specifically?
colion noir
Like, just even the process of acquiring a firearm.
Like, why are you...
First of all, like, in California, why would you limit my round count to 10 rounds?
joe rogan
Yeah.
colion noir
Like, you're making it harder for me.
If I'm being chased in a vehicle, I don't know how many people are in that car.
Generally speaking, when criminals are engaging in criminal activity, it's not by themselves.
joe rogan
Right.
colion noir
There's multiple.
I'm largely going to be by myself dealing with multiple people.
joe rogan
What is the logic to limiting round capacities?
colion noir
It's purely, purely based on mass shootings.
They figure the less rounds you have in a gun, the less people die.
That's what they think.
Because every mass shooter that they see, they say, oh, they had this 30-round magazine, which is the standard capacity for a lot of these guns.
It's because they had so many bullets that they were able to kill so many people.
That's not true.
Generally speaking, when you have a high body count in a mass shooting, it is the context and the circumstance of the shooting that caused it.
joe rogan
Well, wasn't the Virginia Tech one of the most horrific mass shootings?
unidentified
Yes.
joe rogan
And the guy had...
colion noir
36 people.
He killed 36 people.
joe rogan
With pistols.
colion noir
With pistols, right?
And then they'll go on...
joe rogan
He just kept reloading.
colion noir
Yeah.
unidentified
That's all he did.
colion noir
But the thing is, what made him so deadly, what people don't talk about, is he chained the doors.
He chained them.
So he had free reign of that school for who knows how long.
And so all those people can do is hide in corners.
And he literally walked in classrooms, just start picking people off.
Where were they going to go?
Right.
Right?
He's the only one with guns.
He just starts shooting people one by one, one by one.
And the cops who were outside trying to get him, they can't get in the building because he chain locked the door.
So it wasn't the fact that he had a 30 round magazine in his gun.
It was the fact that he chained the door and nobody can get in to stop him.
joe rogan
Right.
colion noir
Right?
And so, and then those were handguns.
But they talk about, oh, it's these deadly assault rifles and so forth and so on.
joe rogan
Did you see those ladies on The View talking about ARs, like hunting a deer with an AR? There's not going to be anything left of it.
colion noir
Some people shouldn't just be part of the conversation.
joe rogan
But imagine having that conversation and being that ignorant openly and not even understanding that a.226 is not even...
colion noir
You can barely hunt ethically a deer with a.233 round.
joe rogan
Yes, it's two, two, three, or five, five, six.
Yeah.
They're not big rounds.
colion noir
They're not at all.
They're actually really small.
joe rogan
Yeah.
colion noir
That's the crazy thing.
joe rogan
That's what's crazy.
colion noir
They're actually really small.
joe rogan
Somehow or another, they think you're shooting a cannon.
colion noir
No.
joe rogan
It's so dumb.
colion noir
But it's ignorance.
Right.
And I wouldn't have a problem with it if they were open to having a conversation honestly.
joe rogan
Well, they're pushing a narrative that is based entirely on ignorance.
colion noir
Yeah.
But that's...
That's mainstream media for you.
joe rogan
Yeah.
colion noir
I've been dealing with it for 10 plus years.
When it comes to the conversation about firearms in this country, that is the mainstream media narrative and it doesn't change.
joe rogan
And it's also the idea that you wouldn't hunt with one.
Listen, hunting with one, especially in a.308, an AR in a.308, it's a good ethical move because you need a follow-up shot sometimes and you don't have to go...
You don't have to reload it.
colion noir
Exactly.
joe rogan
There's a lot of people in the hunting space that don't like semi-automatic weapons for hunting, but I'm like, why?
colion noir
It's the dumbest thing to me.
joe rogan
If you want to shoot an animal ethically, having the ability for a follow-up shot instantaneously is a benefit to ethics.
colion noir
I think a lot of it has to do with the fact that they grew up with those hunting guns and are not comfortable with semi-automatics because they don't really know about them very much.
And so they're like, nobody needs that.
joe rogan
Well, there's the two groups, right?
The FUDs, Elmer Fudd, the Hunters, and then people who are gun fanatics.
colion noir
Exactly.
And, you know, it's, like I said, I would have a problem with the ignorance if they were willing to have the conversation, right?
At least be open to, say, having someone like me or somebody else from the space to come on.
But usually when they have the conversations, they're just chicken-balking amongst each other and not really getting anywhere.
joe rogan
They don't know what they're talking about.
And on top of that, they demonize anybody that has a differing perspective.
And they won't have an actual good faith conversation about it.
And if they did, they would find out that they're solely uninformed.
And they're unwilling to accept the narrative that some people do save people's lives with guns.
colion noir
A ton of people.
To the tune of 1.63 million every year, people use a gun in self-defense.
Nobody talks about that.
joe rogan
Yeah.
colion noir
Nobody.
They talk about the 40,000 people who die every day, die every year from gun violence.
But even when you break those numbers down, you see the reality of it.
joe rogan
The mass shooting numbers are severely distorted, too, because people don't understand most of these mass shootings are gang violence.
colion noir
Dude, I did a video where I remember there was a, I forgot the actual shooting, there was a mass shooting, a legit one.
Legit mass shooting.
It was like a couple weeks ago.
And it's about three weeks ago.
And they were saying, and the report was, there have been five mass shootings since 2024. We're only a week into 2000. I think we were only like five, four days into 2024. And they were like, there have already been five mass shootings.
So I said...
That don't sound right.
If there were five mass shootings within five days of 2024, I'd know about it.
So I was like, okay.
So it was a CNN article.
So I go and I look at the hyperlink that they used to quote that stat.
And it was like gun violence archive or something like that.
joe rogan
So I click it.
colion noir
And so they list the five incidents.
So I was like, alright.
The problem is they don't expect people to go three, four layers deep into the rabbit hole.
They expect that you just see the link there.
Oh, that solidifies it.
I don't even need to look at what the actual incidents were.
They're correct.
So I click it, and I go to the first incident.
It was like a drive-by.
I go to the second incident.
It was a fight at a party.
Next incident, drive-by.
Next incident, New Year's Eve party, LA. Drive-by.
No, a dispute between two group of people and then turnout was a shooting.
Basically, street shit.
The only one that was actually the mass shooting, like a legit mass shooting, was the one that the initial article was about.
So basically what they did is they took four of these street violence shootings, And then cluster them in and call them mass shootings.
joe rogan
Right.
And by the way, you're never going to stop street violence until you stop disparaged communities.
It's not happening.
You're never going to stop street violence until...
I mean, I've said this so many times, but I'll say it one more time.
Think about the money we've sent to Ukraine.
And imagine if they put that money into cleaning up inner cities and making them safer.
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Do people really think...
colion noir
That motherfucking kids who grow up in these environments really want to live like that.
joe rogan
Exactly.
colion noir
Like they really want to live their life looking over their shoulder.
joe rogan
Exactly.
colion noir
And having to worry about who's trying to kill them.
Do they really think people want to live like that?
Come on.
joe rogan
It's a convenient narrative.
It's a convenient narrative.
And it's also like they do nothing to fix those spots.
colion noir
Nothing.
joe rogan
Nothing.
colion noir
And who are those places run by?
joe rogan
Democrats.
colion noir
And I hate the fact that I even have to say it.
joe rogan
It's so true.
colion noir
But the only reason I say it is because when I look at who was pushing the narrative for gun control, it is always a Democrat.
Always.
Which is fine, okay?
If that's the way the party wants to lean, cool.
But what I have a problem with is when the vast majority of gun murders in this country are coming from inner cities that are all ran by Democrats, that's where I have a problem.
Because you're pushing legislation, you're pushing policies that do nothing to address the root cause of the issue.
You're literally using...
The deplorable conditions in these environments to justify more gun control policies that will do nothing to fix these environments but give you more control over people.
joe rogan
And put responsible gun owners in danger.
colion noir
Exactly.
Or turn us into criminals.
joe rogan
Right.
colion noir
Because you're making convoluted laws.
Nobody knows shit.
You know how many people call and ask me, I'm going to this state.
I'm going to California.
Can I carry this?
Can I bring this?
Can I do...
It's so convoluted and all over the place.
Nobody knows how to not break the laws when it comes to guns.
So it begs the question, are you trying to create criminals?
Right.
Because that's what it seems like.
Because you're clearly not trying to stop any of it because you have an entire environment over here that has the same consistent problem.
It's not like the inner city in like Chicago is so different from like the inner city in like Louisiana.
joe rogan
Right.
colion noir
It's the same shit, the same problems.
So if we understand that and they're happening in these very specific areas, why the fuck are we still talking about gun control?
Why?
There are so many people who have more guns than food who live in other places in this country and they don't have this gun violence problem.
They don't.
When's the last time you saw a black dude who lived in the suburbs doing drive-bys in a BMW? Right.
You don't see it.
joe rogan
Right.
colion noir
So that tells you there's a totally different issue here that's going on, and you're not willing to address it.
And if you're not going to address the real issue, shut the fuck up about guns, because you don't care.
You have a totally different motivation for why you're pushing it.
It has nothing to do with actually saving lives.
joe rogan
Right.
It has to do with a narrative that your ideology accepts openly, which is that guns are the problem.
colion noir
Yep.
And that's it.
joe rogan
And it's a childish perspective.
colion noir
Exceedingly childish.
joe rogan
Yeah.
colion noir
And it's not only childish, it's getting people killed.
Because at the end of the day, that violence has to go somewhere.
It has to.
You can only rob the people in the environment that you're in for so long before you have to start spreading out.
So now what's ended up happening is you have people who are now forced to confront this type of violence without any means to protect themselves.
So your policies are actually hurting people and causing more lives to be taken.
So, as far as I'm concerned, anything they have to say about the issue until they're willing to talk about the root cause of the issue is bullshit.
joe rogan
You couldn't have said it better.
It's as good as anyone could say it.
I think it's a good way to wrap this up.
Because I think that that narrative is not being discussed openly.
And I think it's logical, and I think you're dead right.
And I think the root cause of it is these crime-infested, gang-infested neighborhoods where people don't have hope.
colion noir
Everybody wants to ignore it and just say, that's just the culture, it's the environment.
Yes, maybe, but there's a reason why that culture started in the first place.
And so until we understand what's driving it, look, if we're really just like, hey, we just don't give a fuck, then say that.
Then at least we know we're on that level, we understand that.
You just don't give a fuck.
If we can let them kill themselves off, fuck them.
But if your job is really wanting to save lives and really wanting to minimize the amount of gun violence in this country, If you're not willing to have that conversation honestly, you're full of shit.
You're full of shit.
joe rogan
Preach.
Thank you, brother.
Appreciate you being on here always.
I appreciate your perspective.
And I think it's important to get your side of things out there because it's logical.
It's educated.
You know what the fuck you're talking about and you don't hear it.
It's hard to hear.
colion noir
It's unfortunate, but it is what it is.
joe rogan
Well, thanks for providing.
Appreciate you.
colion noir
Thanks for giving me your platform.
joe rogan
Always.
Anytime.
Thank you.
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