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Jan. 26, 2024 - The Joe Rogan Experience
03:36:03
Joe Rogan Experience #2093 - Sober October Crew
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ari shaffir
17:17
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bert kreischer
44:41
j
joe rogan
01:42:23
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tom segura
41:44
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jamie vernon
01:19
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unidentified
Joe Rogan Podcast, check it out!
The Joe Rogan Experience.
Train by day, Joe Rogan podcast by night, all day You looking for me?
What?
joe rogan
You wanted the picture?
ari shaffir
You wanted the picture?
He does a New York too where no one wants to talk to anybody Yeah Is that the one?
joe rogan
His Instagram is performance art.
They don't appreciate it because performance art is snobby.
And you think you have to be left-leaning, liberal, super fucking progressive.
That's the only way you can have performance art.
But no, what Andrew Dice Clay is doing is some of the best wild performance.
tom segura
This is the funniest thing on Instagram.
joe rogan
Wild performance.
unidentified
The hat.
ari shaffir
The king's hat.
unidentified
The king's hat.
What about the hat?
My hat.
The king's hat.
It's good.
No, but I'm saying I can see that you're a fan.
No, we're talking about my co-worker.
Oh, no, if you wanted a picture, you know.
I see that.
No, you wanted the picture with me.
No?
ari shaffir
Yes, no?
unidentified
You want me to take you a picture?
ari shaffir
No, I thought...
joe rogan
No, I'm just a simple person.
unidentified
Alright?
I just said the king's hat and I haven't even worn it in four years.
He does this to so many unsuspecting people.
joe rogan
It's fucking hilarious.
bert kreischer
Wait, did you see the one with Matt Damon?
ari shaffir
No.
He just got Matt Damon?
joe rogan
He got Matt Damon?
bert kreischer
Get Matt Damon.
Matt Damon's at the fucking airport having a beer and a burger.
And he goes, I'm getting anxiety.
You just gotta see it.
It's so fucking good.
unidentified
It's so fucking good.
bert kreischer
And Matt Damon is the sweetest animal alive.
He just looks at him like, huh?
unidentified
Huh?
bert kreischer
And by the way, Matt Damon's at fucking LAX in Delta just having a burger and a beer like a regular fucking dude.
He is just hanging out.
You gotta find the video.
joe rogan
He seems like a very normal guy.
ari shaffir
But he's like, this is why I don't do this.
joe rogan
I've only had a couple interactions with him.
bert kreischer
I think that's fucking Southwest.
ari shaffir
This isn't even a lounge.
bert kreischer
No, it's not a lounge.
ari shaffir
Right.
unidentified
His face with the glasses.
The picture with the face.
tom segura
No, no.
bert kreischer
Matt Damon has no fucking idea.
joe rogan
He has no idea.
bert kreischer
He has no fucking idea.
joe rogan
Now here's the question, is that legal?
ari shaffir
Sort of, but it should not be.
joe rogan
But is that legal?
You can just take some guy who's working at an upholstery shop, and Andrew Dice Clay is like, he wanted the picture.
tom segura
He does it on street corners a lot, so you're in public, right?
And if you're in public, you can be filmed.
Which is also wild.
joe rogan
Which is wild.
It's kind of wild.
And you can be filmed against your knowledge.
tom segura
Yeah, it's kind of wild.
bert kreischer
My favorite is when those young white kids do it to just black dudes, and then they're like, hey, did you want me to kiss me on the lips?
And the guy goes, no, you're talking to the wrong motherfucker.
And he's like, in a second, and then he just jaws the dude and knocks him unconscious, and you're like, that's even a bunch.
tom segura
There's a bunch of those that go sideways that are stupid.
ari shaffir
It's like, well, you got it.
tom segura
They're not really thought out.
Or there's the fart prank.
You know, like, there's people that do...
ari shaffir
Fart in elevators?
tom segura
No, they'll fart, like, in public, but they'll go to, like, the hood, and then, like, walk up where people are hanging out, and then just fart, and you see black people be like, nah.
And, like, get up and, like, chase you.
Like, it's...
It's because it's, like, you're trying to elicit this reaction that's...
ari shaffir
Do you remember Kentucky Black movie?
joe rogan
Yeah.
ari shaffir
It's very dangerous.
tom segura
It's super dangerous to do that.
joe rogan
Yeah, it's very, very dangerous.
Because they don't know that you're doing a prank.
No.
They think you're a crazy person.
tom segura
And they think you came over.
unidentified
They think they can get stabbed.
joe rogan
If someone's that nuts, they just get right in your face out of nowhere with some goofy thing to say.
tom segura
And if you're doing the fart one, they think you're coming over to where people are just to fart on someone.
ari shaffir
Yeah.
tom segura
It doesn't go well.
ari shaffir
They're like, no, it's for a prank for my YouTube.
They're like, huh?
tom segura
What are you talking about?
joe rogan
You just picked the wrong people, and they just instantly go into violence.
tom segura
Did you see the fucking guy?
Oh my god, this is in Europe, where his prank was he pours liquefied dog shit on people.
joe rogan
Oh my god.
tom segura
Yeah, yeah, yeah.
He just got arrested.
So you're on the subway, and he has a bucket.
ari shaffir
Oh no.
tom segura
Of dog shit that he's put in the bucket and put water in.
joe rogan
Oh my gosh.
tom segura
And then he dumps it on people.
joe rogan
He dumps it on their heads?
Just kill them.
unidentified
Yeah, dude.
joe rogan
YouTuber arrested for throwing bucket of poo on train passengers.
tom segura
He's done it many times.
Like, several times.
ari shaffir
And he's filming- He's got just- Oh my god.
unidentified
A prankster was arrested.
bert kreischer
Oh, fuck this guy.
tom segura
It's super insane.
joe rogan
Oh my god.
That's a bucket of shit.
Psychopath.
tom segura
Yeah, and then he's just like...
joe rogan
What a psychopath.
He just dumps a bucket of shit on this guy's back.
ari shaffir
Belgium.
I've heard nothing's crap.
tom segura
And that's an easy way to be dead.
You do that to the wrong person.
ari shaffir
They'll throw you in front of the truck.
bert kreischer
Any person.
joe rogan
That is so crazy.
bert kreischer
Yeah, there's a lot of people that...
joe rogan
That is so crazy.
tom segura
It's totally insane.
joe rogan
He just dumped it on that guy's neck.
tom segura
Yeah.
ari shaffir
It feels like water for a second, and then you gotta realize.
joe rogan
Oh, just shit all over you.
Shit all over you?
Hours from home.
ari shaffir
Look at that little black chick going, what?
She's like, I'm gonna be a prankster.
tom segura
It's insane.
This is the most insane thing I've seen.
unidentified
What?
tom segura
But that is, like, he's now being charged with assault, battery, like, you know.
joe rogan
Well, I think it's, like, bio-terrorism, too.
There's something weird.
Like, human shit falls into a weird category.
ari shaffir
Yeah, spitting on someone is almost like hitting them.
There was a guy in New York who was rubbing shit in people's faces in the subways.
tom segura
Really?
ari shaffir
Yeah, just coming behind him with pickup dog shit and then just rubbing on people.
joe rogan
Dude, Native Americans used to dip their arrowheads in shit just to ensure that you'd be infected.
ari shaffir
We gotta take care of that.
joe rogan
Yeah, to poison people when you get hit.
tom segura
Right, because immediately infection was started.
joe rogan
Yeah, you're getting infected.
They knew about that.
Shit is what caused all the plagues.
tom segura
Yeah.
joe rogan
It's what caused all the plagues.
tom segura
We saw that guy that would shit in his hand.
bert kreischer
Tom and I have an offer out to Mark Cuban to rub shit on our faces for $1.75 million.
joe rogan
His shit?
bert kreischer
Your shit.
joe rogan
He rubs it on your face barehanded?
bert kreischer
No.
Now listen, we're hoping that Elon hears this and then ups the ante and says, Mark, if you shit on your face, I'll give another 1.75.
But yeah, Tom's fans of this guy that shits on his face.
joe rogan
Wait a minute, there's a guy that you're a fan of that shits on his face?
tom segura
There's this guy.
unidentified
Jesus Christ.
tom segura
There's this guy that will, like, he'll do like a birthday wish naked.
He just stands there naked and then he flops his dick around.
But if you pay him more, he'll shit in his hand.
bert kreischer
You're not going to believe this?
It's actually worse when you see it.
tom segura
It's pretty bad.
It's pretty bad.
That's naked Martin.
joe rogan
Oh my god, it's worse when you see it?
unidentified
It's pretty bad.
bert kreischer
It's so bad, Joe.
Joe, Joe, Joe, you haven't even heard the worst.
Oh, Joe, you got a surprise coming your way!
You got a surprise coming your way!
Don't worry, Joe, you'll get it.
joe rogan
Am I going to have to watch this?
bert kreischer
Oh, you'll get it.
unidentified
There he is.
joe rogan
Are you going to make me watch this?
unidentified
What?
ari shaffir
He looks just like you.
bert kreischer
Do the one with the oranges, Tom, please.
joe rogan
When I do your mom's house, dude, I had a really hard time not throwing up.
There's multiple times I had to look away.
Oh, Jesus.
ari shaffir
This guy looks like old Joe.
tom segura
If you go to his Naked Martin Twitter, You might be able to find it, Jamie.
joe rogan
Nakedmartin.co.uk, is that what it is?
Just for the folks at home?
tom segura
This is if you want to book a video.
joe rogan
Folks, if you want to get yourself a video, the gentleman is Naked Martin.
tom segura
Naked Martin.
joe rogan
Naked Martin is all about showing his hog.
Which, by the way, is...
ari shaffir
No, no, stop.
tom segura
Hold on.
bert kreischer
How did he do that?
The guy's magic?
He's magic?
jamie vernon
That's a reverse video.
bert kreischer
By the way, that's a promo video I would have done in a fucking heartbeat.
Sell some fucking tickets.
joe rogan
Can I just pause to point something out here?
How wild is Twitter?
You can have full porn on Twitter.
tom segura
Twitter goes full porn.
joe rogan
But for some reason, that is like outside of the conversation when it comes to advertiser boycotts.
tom segura
That's totally true.
joe rogan
Isn't that interesting?
Because they're saying, if you allow certain kinds of conversations, we won't advertise.
ari shaffir
Is he going to cover his glasses?
bert kreischer
Go back to the glasses.
joe rogan
Is he going to cover his glasses?
jamie vernon
Yes!
unidentified
What's he going to do with that?
joe rogan
What the fuck are you making me watch?
bert kreischer
Look, his stomach's pulsating.
joe rogan
Put him on!
bert kreischer
By the way, that's not that bad.
I'd do that.
joe rogan
This guy's gonna jerk off on food that he eats.
bert kreischer
I saw food, Martin.
unidentified
Joe, I don't think the video's over.
bert kreischer
If I know Martin, he's got another trick up that sleeve.
What are you gonna do, Martin?
What are you gonna do, Martin?
There you fucking go!
unidentified
That's why he makes some big bucks, motherfucker!
joe rogan
I legit just retched.
Legit just retched.
I almost lost it.
unidentified
You gotta find a face smothering, Jamie.
tom segura
On your own, find a face smothering.
unidentified
Don't do it.
joe rogan
Don't do it, Jamie.
tom segura
Bring it back when you find it.
joe rogan
I think I need smelling salt.
tom segura
Okay, but I wanted to ask you this.
I remember you had Jack Dorsey.
unidentified
No!
bert kreischer
Stop, Jamie.
I need a drink.
I need a cigar.
I need something to clean the pen.
joe rogan
Jesus Christ, that's so crazy.
That's someone's baby boy.
tom segura
Oh, fuck.
joe rogan
No, no, no more.
Come on, buddy.
Come on, man.
This is depressing the shit out of me.
That's someone's baby boy.
Someone was playing catch with that kid in the park.
tom segura
Wait, hold on.
So, when you've had, like, back in the day, you had Jack Dorsey on, you've had Zuckerberg on, and you've talked about, you know, Censorship.
What gets policed?
Because it always feels like these big companies have inconsistent rules about what they do.
Oh, if it's this, and this could be misinformation, or we don't know if we can verify.
It never feels like, oh, that's the clear answer.
But on Instagram, there's this thing where somebody could say something about whatever, a political candidate, maybe COVID, and then people go like...
That account is gone, right?
Or it's like, but you and I have a text thread that is pretty horrific that is fueled only by Instagram.
And you're like, wait, why is all this okay?
joe rogan
Tom and I every day send each other the most horrific shit we find on Instagram.
It's bad.
Every day.
tom segura
It's bad.
joe rogan
It's people getting run over by trains every day.
It's people getting mauled by animals.
ari shaffir
What do they say?
unidentified
What's the reason?
joe rogan
Shot.
Oh, electrocuted, hit by lightning, dump trucks fall on top of them.
tom segura
I actually ran into an engineer at Meta two days ago, and he was talking to me, and I was like, what's up with this?
And he's like, yeah, there's just so many accounts.
And I'm like, no.
I go, these are accounts that have been up forever, and they just have murders.
joe rogan
Well, here, not only that, they just show up in my feed, and I'm not following them.
tom segura
Oh, yeah, of course.
That's the algorithm.
joe rogan
It's like the algorithm knows that I've watched that shit.
tom segura
He said if you look at something for two seconds, that means they will start sending you more.
joe rogan
So does the algorithm recognize that you like car accidents?
tom segura
For sure.
Or that you're watching them.
It's just saying this guy will watch a car.
ari shaffir
It's not enough to like, don't click on that because it'll lead to more.
joe rogan
But my point is that that means that the algorithm recognizes what that video is.
unidentified
Right.
joe rogan
So if the algorithm recognizes what that video is and it doesn't flag it.
tom segura
Then it could take it off if it wanted to.
Right.
Exactly.
joe rogan
But if they wanted to just not only let the algorithm encourage you to watch it, but leave the videos up.
tom segura
Because the baseline goal of all those is keep you on the platform.
joe rogan
We should go back in our text thread like six months and see if any of those videos are still up.
tom segura
I bet you a lot are.
joe rogan
That would be wild.
tom segura
Yeah.
joe rogan
Because some of the ones, there's so many war ones.
There's so many ones of like drones dropping down on people and you're watching their legs blow off.
bert kreischer
I watched a dude get sucked into a sinkhole.
I saw four black chicks fall into a sinkhole.
unidentified
Sinkholes are crazy.
bert kreischer
That's Florida.
joe rogan
Sinkholes are crazy.
Like one day your house can just fall into a bottomless pit.
tom segura
Yeah.
joe rogan
Out of nowhere, the earth collapses underneath where your structure is.
tom segura
A car in an intersection just swallowed up.
joe rogan
Swallowed up.
tom segura
And you realize that like, who do you call?
unidentified
Do you think you're like, hey, I'm mad at the mayor.
tom segura
The earth just did it.
joe rogan
Well, the reality is asphalt is preposterous.
It's a ridiculous idea.
It fucks up erosion.
It does so many things.
It fucks up absorption of the water naturally into the ground.
You're covering everything with rock.
unidentified
Yeah.
ari shaffir
They're gonna call you an anti-falter.
joe rogan
And then underneath that, what's happening?
What's happening underneath all that rock?
I would imagine a lot of that water's moving around in there, and if it creates a nice little pocket, and then you get the weight of all these buildings, and then one day, just...
They just go under, dude!
They've lost blocks!
Have you ever seen those crazy giant sinkholes where a whole block has fallen into it?
See if you can find a giant sinkhole.
bert kreischer
That's not real.
That's not real.
That's photoshopped.
joe rogan
Is that photoshopped?
bert kreischer
It has to be.
tom segura
Look at it.
Read the caption.
joe rogan
Oh no, it's real.
bert kreischer
That might be after they imploded it.
joe rogan
No man, it might be real.
ari shaffir
It's so deep though.
jamie vernon
Let me double check for another source.
joe rogan
Yeah, let Jamie double check, but I think that one was real.
ari shaffir
They did a good job with the overhang.
joe rogan
Look, if you're looking at the ground, you're thinking the ground.
If you're looking down, right?
You're thinking the ground.
I think it's real, dude.
bert kreischer
It's real.
ari shaffir
That was the original 9-11 memorial.
joe rogan
It's insane because it looks like a fucking UFO just went through the earth.
It looks like a black hole went through the earth.
It looks so perfectly cut.
bert kreischer
How lucky are you if you're the house on the corner that now has a beautiful view?
ari shaffir
So lucky.
joe rogan
Bro, how much are you thinking about moving?
How much are you thinking about moving?
ari shaffir
Hey, be careful coming out.
Be careful leaving.
joe rogan
It came out in almost a perfect circle.
ari shaffir
Yeah.
joe rogan
That's so weird.
tom segura
Doesn't that make you feel so small in the world, though?
unidentified
I would want to get the fuck away from there.
Of course.
tom segura
Of course.
joe rogan
I would want to get the fuck away from that spot.
That spot might fall into the earth.
tom segura
But it just makes you feel like you're so arrogant to think that any of this is yours.
bert kreischer
The arrogance when the big waves were coming in to California like a month ago about, I drove the girls out to go look at the big waves.
They were fucking massive, 20 feet.
It's really impressive.
It sounds like thunder.
unidentified
Wow.
bert kreischer
And Isla got swept out by a wave.
There's a video of it.
It's not bad.
She's fine.
But it's funny.
It's on my Instagram.
joe rogan
How swept out?
bert kreischer
You can see it.
She didn't get taken out to sea.
She got overtaken by a wave.
And it was, it's funny because it's very lighthearted, but then as, and I don't even think I handed it well as a parent.
ari shaffir
Yeah, you filmed it and it didn't help?
bert kreischer
I filmed and then said, is your cell phone in your pocket?
And so, but what's crazy is the moment of clarity after that, where you go, hold on, we're not safe here.
Like this is, oh, hang on, this is actually really dangerous.
This is Isla.
And she just, like she was just fucking around and then.
Oh boy.
And it's, like, aggressive.
Of course, we're all laughing.
joe rogan
She's far enough away where I'm not scared.
ari shaffir
Sort of, but if she slipped further back, that's all coming back.
joe rogan
But what I'm saying is that, like, that's one of those, you know, 50 feet here, 50 feet there things.
Like, if you fuck up and you're 50 feet in front of that, and you think you can get away...
tom segura
I've had multiple ocean scares now.
Like, the ones where you're, like...
ari shaffir
Crying on the beach.
tom segura
Well, no, just that, like, in the moment...
I keep telling myself, don't panic, don't panic, don't panic.
And one I remember was in Hawaii where we rented a Jeep and we were like, we want to go see something.
So they tell you, oh, take this road.
And it takes you to this single road that goes up where there used to be volcanoes.
And we come up on this beach.
And they had mentioned the beach, but not really too much about it.
And so when we parked...
I was like, I love the ocean water, I'm gonna get in the ocean, you know?
So I get in the ocean, and I remember that going in, the beach into the water was a decline, right?
So like, you go down.
And I was just like, knee deep in there, about to, and I was like, man, this current is pulling back hard, like really hard.
And I kind of take a step back and I feel myself going further down a decline into the ocean, right?
And when I decide to get out, I have to really push hard, like all legs, like boom, boom, like run, like you're running up a hill to get out.
And I was like, that was fucking...
unidentified
That was kind of scary.
joe rogan
There was a WWE wrestler.
tom segura
They tell me, though, when I get back to the hotel...
They go, I go, yeah, we took it.
I go, that beach was a little scary.
They go, did you get in the water?
And I go, yeah.
And they go, oh, you can't get in that water.
They're like, you'll drown in that water.
Did you notice there was nobody swimming there?
I go, yeah, I noticed.
unidentified
I thought it was beautiful.
tom segura
I thought I found a fucking oasis.
joe rogan
They don't tell you?
tom segura
They didn't tell me.
They're like, do not swim in that water.
They're like, you can't swim out of that.
They're like, if you had swam 10 feet in, they're like, you're just gone.
joe rogan
Oh my god!
tom segura
And the panic you feel, especially in retrospect, because you remember the feeling of being like, I think I'm stuck here.
You know, I think I'm stuck right now.
joe rogan
Fitzsimmons saved a lady in Thailand.
tom segura
Really?
joe rogan
Yeah, someone was drowning and Fitzsimmons swam out and saved them.
bert kreischer
Really?
joe rogan
Yeah, I'm pretty sure it was Thailand.
Somewhere crazy like that.
Yeah, he was on vacation.
I might have made up Thailand.
bert kreischer
It doesn't sound like a place Fitzsimmons would go.
joe rogan
No, he would go.
He's a world traveler.
bert kreischer
No, he's a Hawaii guy.
He surfs in Hawaii.
joe rogan
Wherever it was.
unidentified
What?
joe rogan
Fitzsimmons went in the ocean and saved a lady.
tom segura
No shit.
joe rogan
Yeah.
tom segura
I saw my dad save a lady.
joe rogan
That's a scary thing.
tom segura
In a resort.
It was at the bottom of the pool.
Just laying at the bottom of the pool.
joe rogan
Oh my God.
tom segura
When I was like nine years old, it was like father, son, he took me to this resort, and there's a slide.
You ever go on a slide where the water that comes off the slide, so in other words, when you hit the water, it's like high impact.
You're like, holy shit, and it pushes you down.
I'm nine years old, so this was many years ago.
And I remember, like, I could swim.
I was on swim team, like, as a little kid.
But I remember being like, fuck, that is powerful.
Like, it pushes you down, right?
And you just swim up, and we're all, people are, you know, at the resort.
And then look down, and my dad swims to the bottom of the pool and pulls up this lifeless body.
And then they do CPR, and she came back.
unidentified
Shut up!
tom segura
And they would write letters to our house for years.
unidentified
She was 19. She wasn't a little kid.
ari shaffir
Did you see the guy, the snowboarder upside down when the random skier comes by?
joe rogan
Yes!
ari shaffir
Just sees a snowboard sticking this far out of the snow?
tom segura
Is this the one where...
joe rogan
And the guy was buried under the snow.
ari shaffir
He goes, what the fuck?
He stops.
joe rogan
You saved the guy's life randomly.
tom segura
Is this separate?
Have you seen the footage where the guy's wearing the GoPro?
joe rogan
I've seen that.
tom segura
Right?
And then he's like, falls into the ditch.
Into like a hole.
That is visceral.
Oh my god.
ari shaffir
And then he's just like, we'll see what happens.
joe rogan
Obviously, he got out because there's footage, but when you're watching that, you're like, oh my god, you could just fall in there forever, and apparently that's something that happens.
ari shaffir
Tree wells?
joe rogan
That's something that happens.
So this guy just falls, and then watch this.
tom segura
Bro.
ari shaffir
What?
tom segura
I know Bert's feeling this.
bert kreischer
No, I've had a couple experiences like this.
joe rogan
He manages to stop himself.
ari shaffir
He's like, what the fuck?
How the fuck do you get out of that?
joe rogan
How the fuck do you get out of that?
ari shaffir
Fuck the skis.
unidentified
How did he get out of that?
bert kreischer
It's over, Joe.
joe rogan
But no, he's out.
bert kreischer
I think I've read about this.
They had to get search and rescue.
He had to hang out down there for a while.
Search and rescue had to come up.
joe rogan
Holy shit, he's so lucky.
He's so lucky that he stopped right there.
tom segura
Right here he's not flailing.
He's putting his arm and his ski out.
So this guy was able to keep some composure.
Which is kind of the craziest part.
joe rogan
Oh my god.
So this is the snowboarder that's buried upside down.
So this guy just sees that little blue piece.
bert kreischer
Bro.
joe rogan
Just randomly.
bert kreischer
This happened to me.
ari shaffir
Skied right over him.
joe rogan
Yeah, he easily could have missed that.
There's not much blue.
bert kreischer
Soft snow, he's in a tree well is what it is.
So the tree wells, it's really soft, soft snow.
So if you get stuck in a tree well, you are fucking dead.
A lot of people die in tree wells.
joe rogan
God damn.
ari shaffir
Yeah, I'm thinking of getting one of those GPS things.
bert kreischer
We went snowboarding in Matterhorn, hella skiing, and the guy put a beacon on us.
And the first thing he said, he puts a beacon, it's like four feet of powder.
And he says, this is so we can find the body.
And I was like, what?
unidentified
He's like, you might fall into a crevasse or an avalanche.
So we put the beacon on to find the body.
joe rogan
Whoa.
bert kreischer
That feeling.
This happened to me.
That feeling is terrifying.
ari shaffir
This guy's like, thank you.
unidentified
Good.
We'll get you out of here in a sec, okay?
bert kreischer
He was dead.
He knew he was dead too.
tom segura
I'm feeling panic watching this.
bert kreischer
He knew he was dead.
So what happens is, like what happened to me when we were heliskiing is I fell face forward in powder.
Snow skiing, snowboarding in powder, four feet of powder is very different than snowboarding.
It's like you have to have your bindings reset, you have to really know how to ride the powder, and I could not turn right.
And the guy told me, he's like, don't go within five feet of my tracks.
Stay within my tracks.
So the whole time, I can only turn left.
At the time, I really wasn't that good of a snowboarder.
But I could snowboard, but not in powder.
And so he's going like this, and all I can do is go left, and I'm just going off the track.
joe rogan
Oh, no.
bert kreischer
And I'm fucking panicking.
By the way, we're at like 13,000 feet, 14,000 feet.
It's very little oxygen.
I'm gassed.
I'm fat.
I'm hungover.
It's the day after the national championship that we went to.
So we had eaten edibles.
ari shaffir
It was the day after that?
bert kreischer
It was the day after that.
I flew to fucking...
I flew to Switzerland and immediately landed and went hella skiing.
ari shaffir
I don't remember that.
bert kreischer
And so...
No, no, no.
When we went to Florida State versus Alabama.
Oh, 2013. Yeah, 2013. So, all of a sudden, I go to cut right, and I catch my nose, and I fucking go face first in the snow.
And at first, I'm like, fine.
I push my arms in, and they just do not touch anything.
It just goes like this.
And now snow's impacted on my face, so I can't really breathe.
And first of all, I deal with panic, but panic kicks in immediately, and I'm like, this is why I have the fucking beacon on.
And so I try to clear the snow out of my face, but I'm like pulling all the muscles in my back trying to turn over.
And then the guy just comes up behind me, grabs me on the back, flips me over and he goes, you should see your sound guy.
My sound guy's upside down, skis kicking, upside down in the snow.
And we just got the fuck out.
We got on a helicopter and got the fuck out.
I was like, this isn't safe.
joe rogan
Yeah, I'm not interested in any of that nonsense.
Did I tell you about my last ski experience?
I only used to ski with my family.
bert kreischer
This resonates every time I go skiing because you go, it's not worth it.
ari shaffir
He always says that.
joe rogan
He always says it every time I go skiing.
I would go skiing because they wanted to go skiing, and I would be like, this is fun, it's good for kids to learn early because they're really good at it, and my wife likes it.
But I would be like, don't get hurt, don't get hurt, don't get hurt, didn't get hurt.
Back up.
Don't get hurt, don't get hurt, don't get hurt, didn't get hurt.
Good.
So all I'm doing is mitigating risk.
The entire time I'm skiing.
Because I've had fucking three knee operations.
I really know what it's like to blow your shit apart.
And they're like, naive.
To how vulnerable your knees are.
And kids are fucking rubber.
They just fucking bounce off rocks and they're fine.
They fall down.
They only weigh 80 pounds.
They fall down and they get right back up.
tom segura
Right back up.
joe rogan
But...
So this last time I was going around this turn and this lady didn't know how to ski and it looked like she was just a fresh beginner and she was like doing the pizza thing but she was sliding right into the trail and it's a narrow trail and I'm like I have two options.
I'm wiping this lady out or I'm gonna catastrophically fall down.
I went with option two.
And I fucking tried to slide around this lady, and my skis went up in the air, and I banged the back of my head hard.
Oh, fuck.
And I fractured my leg.
bert kreischer
Oh, really?
joe rogan
Yeah, it's called an insufficiency fracture.
It's a fracture at the top of the fibula, or the tibia, rather, where the tibia touches the cartilage.
I had a fracture.
And I was 100% concussed.
ari shaffir
Wow.
joe rogan
Because I got on...
bert kreischer
Wait, hold on, hold on.
joe rogan
Excuse me?
bert kreischer
Helmet?
joe rogan
Yeah, helmet on.
It didn't matter.
It was hard snow, head first.
Bam!
And I remember thinking, like, wow, that was a big one.
I remember thinking that, like, when I got hit, I was like, that's a big one.
And I got on the ski lift afterwards, and I just miscalculated, like, I wasn't coordinated, and I fell down, and I couldn't get up.
ari shaffir
What?
joe rogan
I couldn't get up without help.
The lady had to help me get up.
She had to reach out and grab my hand.
tom segura
Because of the concussion.
joe rogan
100%.
100%.
So I'm just...
Dizzy.
I'm off.
tom segura
How long ago is this?
joe rogan
A couple years ago?
ari shaffir
It was more than that.
It was pre-pandemic.
bert kreischer
Joe, I think about this every time I go fucking snowboarding.
joe rogan
I think it was three years ago.
No, I think it was three years ago.
ari shaffir
After pandemic?
joe rogan
Yeah, I think it was during pandemic.
It was when people started skiing again.
unidentified
It was before.
bert kreischer
It was definitely before.
joe rogan
I don't think so, man.
bert kreischer
Joe, this story resonates- Maybe it's the last time he wants to ski.
joe rogan
At the most, it's four years old.
But I was like, that's just...
And then Shane Dorian tore his fucking knee apart.
World champion big wave surfer tears his knee apart snowboarding.
Just slammed into a tree and...
ari shaffir
That's why you gotta ski, folks.
bert kreischer
Oh, hey, hang on, hang on.
Do you want to hear a story about old...
I just told you I was skiing!
joe rogan
I was skiing!
You don't like snowboarding?
bert kreischer
Oh, no, no, no, no.
Let me share the story of skiing with Ari Shafir.
So first of all, Ari gets this app that tracks how fast you're going.
So the entire ski trip is based on how fast can you get...
And Ari's like, I think I got up to 70. I bet I can break 75. I bet I can get 75. You're going 75 miles an hour on a skis?
ari shaffir
I was trying to.
bert kreischer
Yeah.
So we go, our last run in, there's, it's a blue.
ari shaffir
Park City.
bert kreischer
And Ari is absolutely reckless.
Off trail.
ari shaffir
Well, because O'Neal's better than me.
I'm like, let's race.
And I'm like, go.
And I just got the one second head start.
bert kreischer
So we got Sean Patton, Mark Normand, O'Neal, Renesee.
ari shaffir
Fat Jay, loser.
joe rogan
Yeah.
bert kreischer
And we're all just, all we're doing is skiing to a bar, okay?
We're all going to go get drunk and ski to a bar, and I just hear Ari fucking basketball.
He dresses like a fucking 13-year-old basketball jersey, fucking, he's got the Viking horn helmet on, like a fucking lunatic.
This isn't, is this?
ari shaffir
That's my magic.
unidentified
That's Ari.
ari shaffir
That's my magic jersey, though.
And look, I got my sweatpants over the chair.
bert kreischer
And so Ari, we're at the top of the mountain.
He's like, let's see how fast we can go before we go to the bar.
And I was like, I'm on a snowboard.
The fastest I'm getting is 37 miles per hour.
That's the fastest I'm going.
And I'm terrified.
Because I hear you in my head going, it's not worth it.
It's not worth it.
ari shaffir
Because he'd already stopped.
bert kreischer
Ari decides to break the sound barrier, pins his feet together, and like a goddamn bullet starts fucking flying.
Literally, feet in front of the bar, wipes out and breaks his wrist.
ari shaffir
Some snowboarder turned back too fast.
He was making nice wide loops, and then he made a sharp one, flew, demolished it, shattered it.
bert kreischer
He had to get reconstructed.
ari shaffir
Yeah, there was a pin in there.
unidentified
Really?
ari shaffir
Yeah.
bert kreischer
And all I heard was Joe Rogan, it's not worth it.
unidentified
How fast were you going?
ari shaffir
I was going pretty fast.
I was winning.
I thought O'Neal was right behind me.
He had stopped immediately.
joe rogan
You have to think about it this way.
For this momentary thrill of adrenaline and excitement, you potentially risk a life of catastrophic injury.
ari shaffir
That's every time I come on this podcast.
joe rogan
I get it.
Look, I get it because life is finite.
I get it.
You want to live and experience everything you want.
But I believe you should mitigate risk.
And I believe people are drawn to excitement.
You seek out dangerous animals.
Yeah, but I'm telling you, I mitigate risk.
And the risk of skiing to me is like, that one is like, there's too many variables.
tom segura
What do you think is the most dangerous activity you do?
joe rogan
Well, when I'm training, I'm not doing jiu-jitsu right now, but that's for sure the most dangerous.
tom segura
Other than driving a car.
joe rogan
Yeah, you're practicing strangling each other.
tom segura
Yeah.
joe rogan
And you're doing it with people who are really good at strangling people.
tom segura
Yeah.
ari shaffir
I love skiing so much.
joe rogan
Grabbing your legs and yanking them apart.
bert kreischer
This last trip was the last time.
ari shaffir
How was it skiing as a less fat guy?
bert kreischer
As a sober person.
joe rogan
As a less fat guy?
bert kreischer
As a less fat guy!
It was fucking amazing.
I did a weird thing this year.
I didn't post any videos.
I didn't record anything.
I just had lived.
Just lived.
Wow.
My girls loved it.
They were like, this is great, we're not on Instagram for fucking people to see.
And I wasn't drinking, and I was skinny.
And I was like, I said, the only thing I recorded was, I want to show you my favorite trick.
I could touch my foot.
I could never touch my foot snowboarding.
So getting my bindings on was so fucking tough.
ari shaffir
It was so annoying.
bert kreischer
My gut was in the way, and it was so uncomfortable.
joe rogan
Dude, you were on stage Tuesday night, and I was like, you're too jacked.
You're too jacked to take your shirt off now.
It's not funny anymore.
bert kreischer
It is.
You know there are people that really believe that?
joe rogan
Yeah.
bert kreischer
There are people that really believe that you're not funny.
joe rogan
It's your freedom of you being you is you taking your shirt off.
Your freedom of you being you and now you no longer have a gut and you've got jacked shoulders.
You've got traps and shit.
It's like that's a celebration of still who you are.
ari shaffir
Also, you're still fatter than you were when you were the fat guy.
bert kreischer
I'm still fat.
I'm still fat.
ari shaffir
He got so fat that he lost weight.
I was like, that's amazing.
When he started playing the fat guy.
bert kreischer
Playing the fat guy?
You mean when Tom started fat shaming me?
ari shaffir
Yes.
bert kreischer
When Tom was fatter than me and decided to start fat shaming me.
joe rogan
I naively thought that when we did the first challenge, which was the weight loss challenge that led to Sober October group, I really thought you'd stay on that path.
You got so skinny.
bert kreischer
I didn't care.
ari shaffir
I didn't care.
bert kreischer
You have to want to do it.
November 1st.
I tell you right now, Sober October was an interesting experiment.
But I will tell you, having done like three months or whatever I did, that one month is...
And the big difference is I stopped drinking on planes because I wasn't not drinking on a plane because of you three assholes.
Like I was not drinking because of you guys.
And then when you're not drinking, and you go, I'm not drinking for me, it's very fucking different.
And then I got really comfortable on planes, and I was like, oh, I can get through this.
joe rogan
Why can't scientists just make a booze that doesn't kill you?
Can't you fucking wizards out there?
tom segura
There has to be.
ari shaffir
There has to be.
joe rogan
Make a booze that doesn't kill you.
There's gotta be a way, if you can make synthetic marijuana...
And turn it into pills.
There's gotta be a way to take whatever the fuck it is that alcohol does good, that gives you that fun, carefree smile, the buzz smile.
ari shaffir
Everything feels right.
tom segura
It's gotta be.
bert kreischer
It washes over you.
The sun sets and the day goes away.
ari shaffir
And you're just like in a good mood.
You get that buzz.
You ride it.
joe rogan
A nice meal.
Like how many times have we had meals on the road where we're having a couple of drinks.
We're eating a nice meal.
We're talking and we're laughing.
ari shaffir
It's a lubricant.
joe rogan
We're just enjoying ourselves.
tom segura
God damn it.
ari shaffir
It's the best.
joe rogan
It's such a fucking tool.
tom segura
The post show.
unidentified
The post show.
ari shaffir
Dude, I was doing the Wilbur.
I'll do it again this weekend.
But she asked Blooming Rush's daughter.
joe rogan
Did you say Ari Shaffir's going to be at the Wilbur in Boston this weekend?
ari shaffir
Thursday and Friday.
tom segura
The legendary Wilbur.
bert kreischer
So funny.
I thought you were in Cheyenne, Wyoming next week.
joe rogan
How many shows?
ari shaffir
Is that you?
bert kreischer
Oh, I'm in Cheyenne, Wyoming, and then through Colorado.
joe rogan
Three shows?
So two Saturdays, one Friday?
ari shaffir
Two Friday, one Thursday.
joe rogan
Oh, shit.
tom segura
You're not going to be in Atlantic City at the Hard Rock?
You're not going to be at the Atlantic City Hard Rock?
ari shaffir
No, who's there?
bert kreischer
Oh, no, no.
I'm there in the summer.
tom segura
I did that with Joey.
joe rogan
I did it with Joey and Tony.
It was fun.
tom segura
Do you know what Joey told me?
What?
First of all, he goes, If I see you wearing those glasses, I'm going to fucking break them.
And I go, what?
He calls me.
I'm in Hawaii.
I'm like, what?
Happy New Year.
And he's like, you got to take those off.
I go, I need them to see, though.
I put them on to see.
He goes, it can't be those.
I go, why?
He goes, are you fucking doing the news?
And I go, no.
bert kreischer
Doing the news?
That's when people read in your life.
unidentified
How are you doing the news?
tom segura
I go, well, dude, am I allowed?
I go, can I wear another pair of glasses that are approved?
And he's like, he goes, yeah.
He goes, but it can't be those.
And I go, okay.
And then he goes, he takes his buddy Holly over here.
Yeah, he goes, I'll see you in two weeks.
And I go, where are you going to see me in two weeks?
He goes, when you come to Jersey, when you're in Atlantic City.
And I go, oh, great.
unidentified
He goes, I noticed the last time you were in Jersey, you didn't give me a call.
tom segura
You were hanging out with your white friends.
And I go...
unidentified
He goes, don't think I've forgotten.
tom segura
You're a fucking Hispanic.
You give me a call every time you come to Jersey.
I go, okay, I'm sorry.
joe rogan
He's the king of New Jersey.
tom segura
Yeah.
unidentified
Yeah.
joe rogan
Joey's open to a residency here.
ari shaffir
In Austin?
Yeah.
joe rogan
We're talking about doing it.
Once a month, Joey will come down for like three days.
tom segura
That'd be great.
bert kreischer
Joey and I should get a house together.
I'm here for three days.
joe rogan
Dude, he loosened up on the podcast.
Having a podcast with Joey, you forget.
You forget what that dude is.
bert kreischer
I don't.
joe rogan
What a special unicorn.
bert kreischer
He really is.
I've said this.
joe rogan
He's the unicorn.
There's no one even remotely like him.
bert kreischer
He was there when Ari drugged me.
He came and saved my life.
He saved your life.
joe rogan
Jesus, this is getting dramatic.
bert kreischer
He stole the other Molly.
He stole the other Molly.
No, this is the best Joey Diaz story.
I call him up.
I'm having a panic attack.
I go, Joey, Ari just drugged me.
He's like, I'll be there in five, cocksucker.
Walks through the house.
He goes, Mrs. K, don't come out back.
Bad shit's happening out there.
He comes out and goes, what's going on, cocksuckers?
I go, Ari just drugged me.
He goes, let me see it.
Ari pulls out the other Molly.
Joey takes it, eats it, and goes, we're all seeing the devil's dick tonight, cocksucker.
No one's died on my watch.
If you die, I die.
We're all dying.
He's the fucking best.
joe rogan
We're all seeing the devil's dick tonight.
bert kreischer
He's the best.
joe rogan
He's the funniest human being I've ever met.
bert kreischer
I'll buy a house with Joey in a heartbeat.
joe rogan
Yeah, I think that's one of the ways to do it.
Get a comedy condo?
No, I'm legitimately thinking about that.
I've been thinking about that anyway because I've been thinking about doing a studio in downtown Austin with a view.
Because there's apartments that have a view.
If you could do a studio in an apartment out there.
You could have nighttime podcasts right after doing a comedy show.
So you do a show at the Comedy, just like we used to do at the Ice House.
So you do a show at the Mothership and then go straight up to the condo, which is like three minutes away.
It makes sense, right?
bert kreischer
I'm gonna problem solve this.
After doing, now I think, seven sets in this couple days at your club, I think that's a horrible idea.
The amount of freedom that is at your club, the amount of free speech at your club is so dangerous.
Yesterday, I went up and I was like, wait, I didn't realize I can say anything I want.
ari shaffir
You should have seen his face light up.
He's like, what are those bags on everybody's tables?
joe rogan
Oh, you didn't know?
bert kreischer
I didn't know.
I was like, wow.
Shane Gillis is really taking some chances.
ari shaffir
He's screaming about how communism is good.
bert kreischer
Yeah.
Pol Pot was a god.
And so I got up.
I was hosting and then did an hour at the end of the show.
We did like three hours at the end of the show.
ari shaffir
We did a long time together.
bert kreischer
Wild shit.
But I didn't realize you can say whatever you want.
You really can just take chances.
So I felt like I wasn't doing my due diligence as a comic.
So I wrote the worst joke I could think of.
Like just insider joke.
Just like a...
And it did well, and I was like, fuck, this is crazy.
tom segura
You want to take that energy up to that studio and do a podcast.
bert kreischer
And then I get off your thing, and I'm talking wild, and then I go up to yours, and I'm like, you know, what about Hitler?
Here's the deal.
His dad wasn't a bad guy.
ari shaffir
He came from good people.
bert kreischer
He came from good people.
He was a beekeeper.
You know that, Joe.
You interviewed a beekeeper.
joe rogan
I did interview a V.A. I basically interviewed almost every walk of life, I think.
tom segura
Yeah, how many episodes have you done now?
joe rogan
2,000.
unidentified
What?
ari shaffir
Wow.
joe rogan
2093. Yeah, and then there's the Fight Companions, which is like 100 and how many of those?
jamie vernon
There's probably 60 to 70 of those and 153 MMA shows.
joe rogan
Yeah, so that's another 200. What's your worst one?
I don't think I have a lot of bad ones.
bert kreischer
We can go around and nail our stinkers.
joe rogan
The early ones, definitely, I sucked at it.
bert kreischer
No, you didn't.
That was when it was wild.
joe rogan
But if you're having conversations with people, you're not good at facilitating the conversation, especially if you're talking to a scientist and you're trying to...
Get as much information into as many people's minds as possible.
If there's any confusion about what they're saying, you have to know when to interrupt them or when to lay back.
You've got to bookmark a thought.
I don't want to interrupt, but I've got to bookmark this because I've got to understand.
What do you mean exactly by that?
ari shaffir
You're good at saying that.
Wait, wait.
That wasn't clear to me.
Can you make that clear to me?
joe rogan
You can't pretend you understand something if you don't.
You have to just like...
You're almost like a...
Like a cattle herder a little bit for the conversation.
You're just kind of trying to keep the conversation You're trying to let it flow as much as possible, but you're also trying to like you have to interact with it like so you have to figure out like what am I not absorbing about this?
tom segura
Do you feel like there's somebody looking back that you understood the least?
In other words, you were like fuck I don't get what is going on no matter how hard I try.
joe rogan
Simulation theory is the big one because I had this conversation with what was that gentleman?
bert kreischer
Remember we had a I was hoping it was a subject I'd understand.
ari shaffir
I like swimming.
joe rogan
It's about probability theory.
unidentified
Probability theory?
joe rogan
Yeah.
So what his argument was was like simulation theory.
jamie vernon
Nick Bostrom.
joe rogan
That's it.
Thank you.
He's brilliant.
Brilliant guy.
But when we're having this conversation, he was talking about simulation theory and saying that simulation theory, the idea that this whole thing we're experiencing is just a simulation, Because of probability theory, because of the probability of extraterrestrial civilizations, just given the amount of planets that are out there, the amount of time that has gone on, this is an inevitable thing that's going to happen.
And that it's probably already happened.
tom segura
That it's probable that this is a simulation?
joe rogan
If it's not, it's going to happen and it probably already has.
The idea through...
unidentified
I know if you're a real expert, salute.
bert kreischer
Let's finish it.
joe rogan
I know I'm butchering this, but I believe the concept in the layman's terms is that given the sheer number of planets that probably have intelligent life, And given the amount of time, if they can develop technology to the point where we have and then further on to the point where you literally create some sort of a simulation that all time and all experiences exist in.
And that this was something that was possible through technology eventually.
And if you look at all these planets, you look at the direction that human beings are going, you look at how far our technology has progressed in a relatively short period of time, it's inevitable.
Give it a thousand years, ten thousand years, from now, if we don't blow the earth up, we will have a simulation theory that's indiscernible from the reality you're experiencing right now.
And that may be how life is experienced Sometime in the future when we integrate with computers.
unidentified
Wow.
joe rogan
That might be like one step into that integration.
Wow.
So yeah, having that conversation is like, what?
tom segura
That also gives you, I think you might have a better perspective than people when you try to, when you really break down how brilliant some people are.
joe rogan
Yeah.
tom segura
To scale.
Do you know what I mean?
joe rogan
Yeah.
tom segura
We're all of moderate intelligence, and you go like, oh, you can understand these things.
I can have this conversation with you.
No, no.
And then you meet people who are notably not there, and then people who are existing on- Looking like an idiot.
Are you a child?
ari shaffir
Yeah.
tom segura
And you go, wow, those people are really operating on another wavelength, right?
ari shaffir
Who simulates them?
joe rogan
It's just like athletes.
tom segura
I was about to say, it's like athletic ability.
There's some people who you go, holy shit, you have a 40-inch vertical?
ari shaffir
Yeah, like just dunk it.
What?
joe rogan
There's some people that are just, I mean, we've all met guys that don't even work out, and they're just ridiculously strong.
They just have superior genetics.
There's a lot of folks like that that are just country strong.
tom segura
The guy that'll do the tomahawk dunk in jeans?
And you're like, what the fuck?
joe rogan
It doesn't even work out!
bert kreischer
You mean Cam Haynes' children run marathons in jeans?
They're different people.
joe rogan
And his other son's a ranger.
bert kreischer
Yeah.
joe rogan
I mean, there's different humans.
tom segura
That D1 body, where you're like, oh, this is different.
joe rogan
Well, Cam's dad was an athlete, too.
unidentified
Really?
bert kreischer
Hardcore runner.
His book is amazing.
joe rogan
I think Cam's...
Wasn't he a jumper?
What did he do?
tom segura
Cam's so modest, too.
joe rogan
He was like a very high-level athlete, his father was.
tom segura
Cam's modest as shit about it.
joe rogan
He's so modest.
tom segura
Yeah, you're like, how the fuck?
He's like, well, you know, you just gotta get that run started.
joe rogan
You know what, man?
That guy is always tired.
tom segura
Is he?
ari shaffir
I hope so.
joe rogan
But I mean, that's why he's so chill.
He's conserving energy.
He knows this is a run 18 miles in the morning.
tom segura
I bet he sleeps like a baby, though.
joe rogan
I bet he sleeps like a brick.
bert kreischer
I think he's Christian, so then he doesn't worry about death.
I get to go to heaven.
His shoes.
Have you run with his shoes?
tom segura
What are we doing over here?
joe rogan
Those shoes are great.
bert kreischer
I wanted to put a post out today because they're that good.
joe rogan
Oh, they're excellent.
ari shaffir
He has his own brand of shoes.
bert kreischer
So Cam was sponsored for a long time by Under Armour.
And then he went for a second, tried out Solomon, and then he said, fuck it, I'm just going to make mine.
I think he has his own clothing brand, but he's doing his very own shoe.
And when you get a motherfucker that can run like he does, who develops technology and the shit that makes him comfortable, this shoe is amazing.
These boa laces keep your heel in place.
joe rogan
It's got blood splatter on it.
ari shaffir
Yeah.
bert kreischer
That's blood.
joe rogan
That's blood.
You can say it's mud, but it's red.
Shut the fuck up.
You know what that is.
bert kreischer
I love that Tom's pouring a drink.
This is the Tom I love.
joe rogan
They're dope sneakers.
And they're super comfortable.
bert kreischer
They're amazing.
And the thing about plantar fasciitis that a lot of people have is your foot moves around in your shoe.
Laces do that.
But with Cam's shoe, those boa things, lock your heel in.
And I've been running every single day.
No plantar fasciitis.
And they're very fucking comfortable.
joe rogan
Yeah, they're great.
You know, I think plantar fasciitis probably is a lot about foot strength and foot endurance, isn't it?
ari shaffir
Nice to have it.
tom segura
I think so.
joe rogan
Like you just go too far.
tom segura
Everybody also, like the PTs will tell you that a lot of that originates from your big toes movement though.
ari shaffir
Really?
tom segura
If you start, if you start to, because you can feel plantar fasciitis starting a lot of times.
You're like, oh, this is starting to get uncomfortable.
It's not full blown.
bert kreischer
In the mornings.
tom segura
And they'll tell you to train your big toe.
To work on strength with your big toe.
ari shaffir
People move to New York at it because you're walking constantly.
tom segura
You guys walk so much more.
ari shaffir
And then it's just like, what the fuck's on my heel?
bert kreischer
Do you remember when you told me to get Rolfed for my plantar fasciitis?
joe rogan
Yeah.
ari shaffir
What is that?
When you come out of a dude's asshole?
Hey!
tom segura
That's Naked Martin.
joe rogan
Don't you know this show is going onto the internet?
bert kreischer
This is felching.
joe rogan
The whole world's gonna listen to this show.
unidentified
Do you know how many fucking people are gonna book a video?
tom segura
With that guy right now?
joe rogan
Oh, so many.
bert kreischer
I hope they don't get in front of our order.
Oh, they are.
joe rogan
The guy's gonna be rich.
Well, in a perfect world, he would be rich.
unidentified
Yeah.
joe rogan
Because that's an oddity.
Like, if you're gonna go that far, you deserve something.
You deserve money.
tom segura
That's the only fans I'm signing up for.
joe rogan
That guy ate his own shit covered in cum, and we watched.
ari shaffir
He didn't even pause!
tom segura
And he smiled.
joe rogan
And he smiled, and I, who hosted Fear Factor for six years, I almost threw up.
From watching that screen.
bert kreischer
We're so excited for you to get your present.
tom segura
Yeah!
bert kreischer
Yeah!
ari shaffir
What's the present?
bert kreischer
Nothing.
You'll see.
unidentified
It'll be in the group thread.
joe rogan
Can't wait.
That feeling of the...
That's such a horrible feeling.
unidentified
You don't have a throw-up thing.
joe rogan
Oh, I do!
bert kreischer
For real?
ari shaffir
He holds it.
joe rogan
Yeah.
Here's what's fascinating.
I lost it when I was filming Fear Factor.
Nothing can make me pew.
Desensitized.
Completely desensitized.
Before, I was the kid in high school that, like, if you threw up in the hallway, I would throw up.
bert kreischer
I do.
joe rogan
Like, like, you smell throw up.
You're like...
ari shaffir
That's a YMH wretch.
joe rogan
That's a YMH wretch.
It is what it is.
I think that's evolutionary.
I think that when you smell throw up, no, no, no.
It's letting you know that someone around you has consumed something that's bad.
And that you should purge too.
So it's like a survival instinct.
It's a protective instinct.
It's not a weakness to want to throw up when you smell throw up.
It's actually a strength.
bert kreischer
So what happens when people cry and I cry too?
joe rogan
It's good too, because you're commiserating, you're showing you're a good person.
bert kreischer
I cry so much lately.
joe rogan
You're a sweetheart.
unidentified
Really?
ari shaffir
Because you switched to weed more.
bert kreischer
Yeah.
Well, weed is really beautiful.
ari shaffir
Weed'll get to crying.
bert kreischer
It allows you to appreciate.
tom segura
You're an emotional guy, though.
joe rogan
You need to grow tits.
bert kreischer
I get it.
I cried the other day on our podcast.
tom segura
You did?
joe rogan
He's growing tits.
ari shaffir
Nobody cries more on podcasts than Bert.
bert kreischer
Not me anymore.
tom segura
He cries a lot.
bert kreischer
I cry a lot.
I regret a couple cries.
Schultz's, I regret that one.
ari shaffir
You cried on Schultz's podcast?
Of course.
joe rogan
What'd you cry about?
bert kreischer
Fucking nothing.
joe rogan
Bambi?
bert kreischer
No.
ari shaffir
Parking was tough.
bert kreischer
No, he fucked me up.
joe rogan
Parking was tough?
bert kreischer
No, marketing.
I think I was going to say marketing.
joe rogan
Marketing?
bert kreischer
No, he brought out a clown and some balloons and it fucking fucked me up.
joe rogan
A clown and balloons made you cry.
ari shaffir
No, no, no, no, no.
bert kreischer
It gave me a panic attack.
What?
Yeah, I don't like clowns.
Now I'm just fucking looking over my shoulder.
joe rogan
Hold the fuck on.
Hold the fuck on.
unidentified
That's my favorite Joe what, by the way.
tom segura
What?
unidentified
Hold the fuck on.
ari shaffir
He lets it in.
tom segura
Yeah, it's like, the fuck are you talking about?
joe rogan
Hold on.
What?
unidentified
Yeah.
joe rogan
For real?
bert kreischer
Schultz gave me the opportunity to not...
Don't play it.
joe rogan
Don't play it.
bert kreischer
There's no reason to play it.
joe rogan
Okay.
No, you have a real issue with clowns?
ari shaffir
And then you became one?
bert kreischer
Technically.
Isn't that crazy?
Yeah.
I have a real issue with clowns and a real, real issue with balloons.
Like if I smell balloons, I fucking freak out.
They freak me out.
joe rogan
Wasn't there a Jerry Lewis movie that was never released where he was like a clown in the Holocaust?
tom segura
What?
ari shaffir
Really?
joe rogan
No, no, no, no.
Patch is the clown.
ari shaffir
Patch is the clown?
joe rogan
No, it was Robin Williams.
bert kreischer
Patch Adams.
joe rogan
Patch Adams.
ari shaffir
Is that what it was?
No, he was in the hospital, though.
bert kreischer
He was a doctor who was a clown for kids.
ari shaffir
Good morning, Neil!
Who's that?
The day that laughter cried?
joe rogan
Yeah, there is a Jerry Lewis movie.
There's some weird Jerry Lewis movie that never got released.
tom segura
Oh, that's weird.
joe rogan
Long-buried Holocaust movie, The Day the Clown Cried, may finally be viewable one year today.
tom segura
So they buried it?
joe rogan
Yeah, they buried it.
unidentified
It's going to be available to view at one place.
bert kreischer
Hey everybody, get in the oven!
joe rogan
One of few people have seen even a rough cut of the film.
Comedian voiceover artist Harry Shearer of The Simpsons told Spy Magazines in 1992 that the movie is so drastically wrong, its pathos and its comedy are so wildly misplaced that you could not, in your fantasy of what it might be like, improve on what it really is.
Oh my god.
That's all you can say.
This movie was so bad.
ari shaffir
I want to see it so bad now.
joe rogan
They buried it forever.
tom segura
Holy shit.
bert kreischer
Oh, wow.
joe rogan
They buried it forever.
And when did this movie get released?
72. So this is a movie from 1972 that was so bad.
tom segura
That never saw the lightning.
joe rogan
They put it in a vault in the bottom of the earth.
bert kreischer
I'd pay to buy it.
joe rogan
I want to see it so bad.
ari shaffir
Even if it's bad, I want to see it.
joe rogan
I want to see it more than I want to listen to that Wu-Tang album, that Martin Skrilli.
bert kreischer
Big J has it.
joe rogan
What do you mean?
bert kreischer
Big J has it.
He went on Legion of Skanks.
It's one of the most frustrating episodes to listen to because it's Legion of Skanks and you have Martin Skrilli and Shane Gillis is grilling him.
But you've got Legion of Skanks being Legion of Skanks.
They don't really care about the information.
They just want to fucking talk about...
Whatever.
Yeah, cum and everything.
But Martin Skrilli said, I have the album, you want it?
And all of them are like, fuck yes.
joe rogan
So how'd he give it to them?
bert kreischer
It's the same way you got your thing.
joe rogan
DM it to them.
In what form?
bert kreischer
Like, just sent them an mp3.
ari shaffir
No, no, no.
unidentified
What?
joe rogan
So then it's out on the internet now?
bert kreischer
No, no.
Legion of Skanks.
No one ever shared it.
joe rogan
Wait a minute.
So what's Martin doing with it?
ari shaffir
He bought it.
bert kreischer
By the way, I gotta send everyone to the episode.
It's one of the most fascinating episodes I've ever listened to.
joe rogan
Have you listened to it?
bert kreischer
No, I don't have it.
They have it.
ari shaffir
He had some good information where he was like, you know, he was like, got the thing for the AIDS. It's so interesting.
And he goes, he's jacking the price.
He goes, you know what no one ever said?
There's also a generic version of the same drug.
bert kreischer
For $40.
ari shaffir
For $40.
I don't know why everybody's mad at me.
You can still get it.
You just can't get the name brand thing.
bert kreischer
It's the best.
tom segura
Wait, you can get the generic version?
bert kreischer
Yes.
tom segura
What does the generic version mean?
ari shaffir
It's like Viagra versus whatever the fuck.
tom segura
But wait, you can hear it?
ari shaffir
No, no, no, no, no, no, no.
No, no, no, of the AIDS medication.
tom segura
Oh, we're talking about AIDS.
I'm talking about Wu-Tang.
ari shaffir
Yeah, you care more about Wu-Tang.
bert kreischer
No, you don't care about that.
joe rogan
Generic version.
tom segura
I was like, what does that mean?
ari shaffir
What does that mean?
It's not finished?
joe rogan
I was so confused about generic drugs.
bert kreischer
That's hilarious.
unidentified
My brain just went to like, wait, is it without RZA?
joe rogan
Well, hey, this is a real conversation, but this is a real conversation because with AI, You're gonna make new versions of Wu-Tang songs.
They already did it with Drake.
tom segura
I think that the thing, too, is you know how they go, oh, likeness, right?
Like the stars.
Like, hey, you know, I want to...
This movie is without...
Tom Cruise will be like, no, you cannot use my likeness.
I'm protecting it.
That's like what some of this labor union stuff is about, protecting your image and likeness.
joe rogan
Yes.
tom segura
But I just feel like there's just going to be...
One of these offers to one of these people where they go, okay.
ari shaffir
Go for it.
$20 million?
Go for it.
bert kreischer
Nicholas Cage.
joe rogan
Bruce Willis has a neurological condition.
tom segura
Yes.
He's not doing well.
joe rogan
I forget what it's called.
bert kreischer
It's called aphasia.
unidentified
Aphasia.
bert kreischer
I think I might have it.
tom segura
Yeah, you're right.
You're right.
bert kreischer
I talk about it nonstop.
joe rogan
Did you just bring it back to yourself?
bert kreischer
Of course.
I can't look at a post and not think about me.
joe rogan
Bruce Willis sold his likeliness for the purpose of AI. He did?
Yes.
bert kreischer
All I can say is thank you.
joe rogan
But in his position, I mean, he's incapable of making money anymore.
tom segura
He can't work.
joe rogan
He has a real issue.
tom segura
It's actually very advanced, and they think we're close to the end.
joe rogan
Oh, my God.
bert kreischer
I follow his daughter, Tallulah.
joe rogan
So, no, Bruce Willis didn't sell his likeness to a deepfake company.
Despite initial reports, the deepfake company does not own the rights to Bruce Willis' likeness.
Partially because that's literally not possible, the company said Willis appeared in a recent advertisement through Deep Cake, which managed to create a digital twin of Willis that can appear in new content despite the actual Willis retiring from acting as a result of aphasia.
A brain disorder that hinders cognition and speech abilities.
I like the precision of my character, Willis said, of the process according to the quote in Deep Cake website.
It's a great opportunity for me to go back in time.
The neural network was trained on content of Die Hard and Fifth Element, so my character is similar to the images of that time.
So it's young Bruce Willis doing ads.
bert kreischer
I sent you guys...
tom segura
That's what they're saying.
bert kreischer
I sent you guys George Carlin's new special.
joe rogan
Yeah.
That's insane.
unidentified
But hold on a second.
joe rogan
That seems like that is what we're saying.
tom segura
Yeah.
It feels like...
And also, this is literal phase one of the A-list celebrity being like, you can use it for this.
Sure.
joe rogan
When Barbra Streisand gets to be a certain age and Trump's president again, she might say, you know what?
ari shaffir
For $200 million, go for it.
joe rogan
Just fucking sell soap with my young face.
ari shaffir
And also, what about the people who, it's not a major movie making it, it's just some YouTube account.
joe rogan
What happens to dead people?
What happens to James Cagney?
tom segura
Their estate?
joe rogan
What if the estate decides to...
tom segura
The Marilyn Monroe estate?
joe rogan
Yeah, Charles Bronson selling soap.
jamie vernon
This is the George Carlin one that came out a couple weeks ago.
bert kreischer
How many views?
unidentified
It says 500K. It keeps getting pulled down.
joe rogan
Really?
bert kreischer
It keeps getting pulled down, yeah, because George Carlin's daughter, Kelly, I think, doesn't want it up.
joe rogan
Oh, I disagree with that.
jamie vernon
It's put on a YouTube account called Dudesy.
Dudesy says, I'm a comedy AI. They wrote this as though Dudesy made it, if you will.
When you look at what Dudesy is, Dudesy's a...
bert kreischer
Oh, it's Will Sasso.
unidentified
But they have an AI. Wait a minute.
jamie vernon
That's where it becomes like, how would Will Sasso have this super secret AI program?
unidentified
Hold on.
bert kreischer
Will Sasso has a podcast, if I'm not mistaken, where he has AI bring up the subjects of the podcast, and that's what they talk about, theoretically thinking this will, based on research, be one of the best podcasts out there.
joe rogan
Well, there's a podcast on it.
Look, click on that.
It says, George Carlin resurrected.
jamie vernon
That's what this is.
So that's what I'm trying to say.
When I was looking into, like, what is this George Carlin thing, it's on this account that they call Dudezy, and they're saying, like, Dudezy made this.
Oh, so they made it through AI. It's most likely like that Kanye song we played with Tony, where someone wrote in how George Carlin would write, and then...
Performed it all and then got George Carlin's voice to go over top of that.
tom segura
Well, it's like a version of his voice.
joe rogan
Oh, wait a minute.
So AI didn't write the jokes?
jamie vernon
I think so.
bert kreischer
No, I heard AI wrote the jokes.
jamie vernon
That's tough.
That's where it becomes very tough.
tom segura
You're saying that AI didn't write the jokes?
jamie vernon
In this case, I don't know, but it seems a lot more like the fake thing, like the Drake song and the Kanye song, where it's not 100% done by AI. What you're hearing is like an AI doing a deepfake video.
tom segura
And who would write it?
jamie vernon
In that case, it was the rapper who wrote the rap song.
In this case, it's probably comedians who know how to write.
ari shaffir
On Skeks this week, they played AI versions of their stand-ups to the...
Soder, Jay, Louis, Dave, and one other guy, I forget.
And they were like, here's your AI version of your stand-up.
And they just played it for them, and they all broke it down.
tom segura
How was it?
ari shaffir
They said it was a lot of fun.
bert kreischer
It's hard to be worse.
ari shaffir
Yeah, butterly.
Hopefully it's not amazing.
bert kreischer
You're the only one that got that joke.
Lewis is like, can I use that?
joe rogan
I feel like we're joking around about the first rain shower that comes before the torrential flood that caused Noah to build a fucking ark.
bert kreischer
You're right.
tom segura
I think it's going to get bad.
joe rogan
It's going to be a new world.
The world is going to be built...
In a very hazy way.
tom segura
All this stuff about AI, everybody, like, we all talk, it's scary, and you see, you know, I understand why Riders were, like, Riders Guild was, like, really concerned about this.
And they're concerned by version one, dude.
Like, this just started.
ari shaffir
And this is teaching the next version.
tom segura
Imagine the first fucking iPhone.
joe rogan
Also, it's going to get rid of a lot of shitty writers.
ari shaffir
That's the thing.
Can you stop stealing Copenhagen TV shows and make something?
joe rogan
All those people keep making the same cop show over and over again.
Get the fuck out.
ari shaffir
Doing Mr. and Mrs. Smith.
bert kreischer
Here's the thing.
tom segura
It'll replace a lot of low-level basic shit.
bert kreischer
And you'll lose a lot of great ones.
tom segura
You still need your Christopher Nolan to write his stuff.
bert kreischer
Yeah, but Christopher Nolan had to be a shitty writer first.
joe rogan
100%.
bert kreischer
You've got to be a shitty writer first to become Christopher Nolan.
joe rogan
Yeah, unless you're some wizard that comes out of his womb.
ari shaffir
But that's very rare.
unidentified
Very rare.
bert kreischer
The only thing I think that would be beneficial is be great if I could do my podcast with AI and then type in, yo, can you take all the annoying parts of me out of there?
Like when I talk over you, I would love laughing.
joe rogan
Not talk over people.
You don't need a fucking robot.
bert kreischer
It's kind of fucking tough.
joe rogan
You don't need a robot to do it for you.
tom segura
I finally, I told you.
So Bert has this thing where anybody, anybody with any level of celebrity, he fucking geeks out so hard on you.
ari shaffir
It's so embarrassing.
It does.
tom segura
Like a TikTok person.
unidentified
I love your stuff.
tom segura
He's like, I'm the biggest fan.
Oh my God, I saw the video.
Oh my God, I'm the biggest fan.
I love you so much.
And then he goes, and then he waits to tell them about him.
He tells them his resume.
joe rogan
Do you have imposter syndrome?
bert kreischer
Of course.
If you don't, I am curious why.
joe rogan
I didn't say I don't.
unidentified
Why is he so aggressive?
joe rogan
My answer was fairly calm.
bert kreischer
Imposter syndrome is kind of...
joe rogan
I was just trying to find out what he was feeling.
bert kreischer
Imposter syndrome has been loaded as like a slur.
joe rogan
I don't think it's a slur at all.
I have it.
It's hardcore.
No, no, no.
tom segura
I don't think it's a slur.
I think it comes and goes.
joe rogan
I think imposter syndrome is a sign of an introspective person who's trying to navigate a very bizarre situation.
I think it's completely 100% natural and normal.
And if you didn't have it, again, like what you said, I would be curious.
tom segura
And don't you think it comes in waves?
Like, there's times when you feel it.
But the whole reason I brought you up doing that, because you're ridiculous with it.
bert kreischer
I'm really bad.
tom segura
You do it to everyone.
bert kreischer
I didn't do it to Joe.
Oh, I did it to Joe.
tom segura
But you told me.
joe rogan
You didn't do it to me.
bert kreischer
Yeah, you didn't see it.
I did it well to you.
joe rogan
What the fuck does that mean?
How did I not see it?
bert kreischer
Oh, Joe, when I met you, I was at your front door.
I'd already zillowed how much you paid for your house.
I fucking said to you, I said to you real quick, I said, hey man, I'm such a big fan.
I need to meet your dog.
I need to see your deprivation tank.
I want to play pool and I want to get high and then we can do the podcast.
And you were very generous.
You're like, cool.
I remember you walked me in your door.
You said, hey man, if you stand on this thing and you work out, it like shakes your body, whatever that thing was.
And you're like, come on, we'll go down and see it.
And you took me out.
We saw Johnny Cash.
You told me, like, hey, we just got this property so the dogs be out there.
I can't really have them.
We got the kids.
Come on.
We'll go out back.
I'll show you the swing set.
We'll get high.
We got high.
And then we did the podcast, and I was like, man, that is the...
Here's my thing, is there's generous celebrities, like generous, who give you their time, and maybe they don't notice.
And I was like, this guy's a real fucking guy.
Like, he's cool as fuck.
And then we did the podcast.
I had a fucking blast.
And I remember going home and going like...
Man, I don't want to say this out loud, but I was like, I want to be like that guy.
Like, I want to be like that guy.
Like, cool as fuck and real.
I remember little things in my life where I've pinpointed things in your life where I go, oh, I got a thing that Joe had.
Your closet was a fucking mess.
There were dildos.
Or not dildos.
unidentified
Dildos!
bert kreischer
There was flashlights everywhere.
joe rogan
That was when Flashlight was a sponsor.
We would give flashlights away.
unidentified
Hey, do you want to fuck this when you go home?
bert kreischer
Hey, you should fuck it.
It feels like a pussy.
joe rogan
It feels great.
bert kreischer
But I remember...
joe rogan
They gave us a fucking...
I had a pervert's box.
Like a large, large box.
tom segura
That's how far this has come.
bert kreischer
I got the alien butthole.
The blue one.
But I remember you had so much stuff in there and you had this generosity.
You go, yeah, grab whatever you want, man.
It's all stuff from people that want me to check it out.
And I remember I took a bunch of vitamins.
I like grab shit.
I was...
I wasn't poor, but it was like free stuff.
And I grabbed a bunch of shit, went home, and I was like...
But I look at life, and when you talk about imposter syndrome, I highlight...
We talked about this the other day.
I highlight cool people, and I kind of want to be like them.
Because I go, man, I want to be a better person.
You know?
Like...
tom segura
But he does this thing where he's like, I met the lead singer of, you know, Wilco.
I humiliated myself.
bert kreischer
I humiliated myself.
tom segura
He just tells him how much he loves it, and then he's like, have you seen my stuff?
bert kreischer
Dude, I hung out with George R.R. Martin.
tom segura
Oh, yeah.
bert kreischer
George R.R. Martin.
ari shaffir
How'd you meet him at a buffet?
unidentified
Yeah.
tom segura
That was good.
bert kreischer
It was really good.
joe rogan
What is that one?
ari shaffir
It's when a bunch of food's out and you can just take as much as you want.
bert kreischer
Bert loves them.
ari shaffir
He's on a website.
He's in an app.
BuffetsNearMe.com.
bert kreischer
I saw him at a Grateful Dead concert.
ari shaffir
Oh, really?
That's cool.
bert kreischer
And I clocked him like three times.
Three times.
Thursday night, Friday night, Saturday night.
And then Sunday night.
Yeah, there's that sauce.
Sunday night, I couldn't control myself, man.
I was a junkie.
I was like the way a pedophile must feel when he sees kids riding bikes.
unidentified
So the best part is that Bert tells him how much he loves to show.
bert kreischer
Just shut the fuck up, Tom.
Tom, stop.
unidentified
George reveals things about the show that nobody knows.
tom segura
And then when they leave, Leanne's like, can you believe he told you all that?
And he's like, told us what?
He's like, well, he told you all those insights, secrets about Game of Thrones.
And he's like, what secrets?
unidentified
And he's like, I just wasn't listening because I wanted to talk.
ari shaffir
He's like, okay.
unidentified
He was just waiting to talk.
bert kreischer
He told me secrets about writing.
joe rogan
You just embrace this aspect of yourself.
I can't.
You don't like it.
It makes you angry when it comes out.
You get upset at yourself.
But yet, you also embrace it.
bert kreischer
It's so gross, though.
It's so gross.
joe rogan
It's like you're playing tic-tac-toe against yourself in your own head.
tom segura
But here's the thing.
I wanted to confess to you, because you go, you told me that you admire the way that I am around celebrities.
bert kreischer
I love it.
I love it.
I want to beat that.
You're the guy in an orgy.
You're the guy in the porn who's jerking off before he fucks her.
I'm the guy in the corner going, I got three minutes to give you.
joe rogan
That might be the worst analogy literally ever.
That one makes no sense.
No one listened to that and was like, yeah, I get it.
That's a good call.
tom segura
But here's the thing.
What I told him was the truth, which was that I would say...
90% of the time when I meet a famous person, I don't care that I'm meeting them.
In other words, I'm just like, yeah, all right, what's up?
How you doing?
So it looks like I'm being cool or aloof, but I just don't give a shit.
bert kreischer
He really genuinely does not care.
tom segura
I just don't care.
bert kreischer
He really does not.
tom segura
Right, because if you go like, hey, this is the guy from the show, I'm like, what's up, man?
bert kreischer
Anytime I've ever met a famous person, I text Tommy immediately and go, guess who I just met?
And I send him a picture.
And then...
And then Tommy has hung out, legit is friends with Brad Pitt and Jason Momoa, and didn't fucking tell me.
And then I go, why wouldn't you tell me this immediately?
And he goes, I don't know.
I didn't think about it.
tom segura
It just didn't really.
But then he goes, what would it take?
And I'm like, I don't know.
And then I text you last night.
I go, I guess it's Snoop Dogg.
Because I fucking went into his.
We were on Kimmel, and I went into his dressing room.
And I was like, I guess I'm going Bert.
I did my version of Bert.
I was like, it's so admirable that your career has lasted.
unidentified
You didn't!
You didn't!
ari shaffir
Oh, that's fucking great.
tom segura
Snoop's a tough one.
bert kreischer
Snoop's a tough one.
joe rogan
He's so nice.
tom segura
And all I did was I was like, I couldn't believe I'm on with him.
I met him first.
First, he told me he was like, good to see you again.
I was like, we've never met him.
unidentified
He thought you were me!
tom segura
And then I went back into his dressing room, and I was just like, it was great to be on the show with you.
And I had to tell him, I was like, you know, it's just crazy to me that I bought your album.
I bought it in 93. The year before, in 92, was a deep cover.
I bought that.
And you're still like, you're still Snoop.
It's fucking, it's crazy.
It's 30 fucking whatever years.
joe rogan
Yeah, he's got the best longevity of it.
tom segura
And so I go, I just admire that.
Like, so much.
And then, like, he said, you know, he says everything cool.
unidentified
Yeah.
bert kreischer
Wait, try to guess.
joe rogan
Shut the fuck up!
unidentified
He goes, let me get a flick with you.
tom segura
And I go, oh, that means picture.
Like, let me get a flick with you.
And I was like, yeah.
So he asked for the photo, and then I was like, yeah, this is, I mean, he goes, yeah, I want to be a movie star, too.
unidentified
And I'm like, I'm not in any movie star.
bert kreischer
You were in a very big movie with Mark Wahlberg.
joe rogan
Bro, do you know how high he is all day long?
tom segura
Do you know how high he was there?
joe rogan
Snoop lives in an alternative dimension.
tom segura
Yeah.
joe rogan
It's not where we are.
tom segura
It's very cool to be, because I know you've been on the podcast, but to be around someone and be around other people who you're like, dude, everyone, every age group, every generation.
ari shaffir
Loves him.
He did Sesame Street.
tom segura
It's fun to be around.
joe rogan
Did a show with Marga Stewart.
unidentified
Yeah.
ari shaffir
The only time I ever saw him serious was on this podcast when he was talking about how he had to switch to backwoods rolling papers.
And he was like, the young kids are telling me, and I really had to make a change.
joe rogan
Yeah.
Oh, the road blunts the entire time.
tom segura
Wasn't that, like, crazy to be on a show?
bert kreischer
I lived with Snoop for a month.
We lived in a hotel together.
We were across the hall, and I worked with him every day.
But, I have to say, and you know this, I was really nervous about meeting Snoop, because I can overwhelm people sometimes.
Like, I'll just, I have a large wake.
joe rogan
That self-awareness, that's advanced.
tom segura
He does have it.
ari shaffir
That's advanced.
unidentified
Right?
bert kreischer
I'm trying.
But I said to Tommy, can you tell me how to meet Snoop?
Because I know how you do it.
You do it cool.
Tell me how to do it cool because I want to be friends with him.
unidentified
Hey, whatever.
tom segura
You don't hide stuff.
bert kreischer
Yeah, yeah.
And you said, I like you.
Snoop will like you.
Be yourself.
So I was myself.
And of course, I fucking lost my goddamn shit.
And Snoop stopped.
Snoop stopped.
And real quick, like in the middle of me being me, he just FaceTimes Red Grant and he goes, hey, you know this guy?
And he flips it around and I go, and Red goes, he's cool.
And he goes, alright, cool.
And he's like, you're cool.
It is me and Snoop FaceTiming with Dave Chappelle and Donnell Rollins.
But that was the night we got high and fucking...
Snoop's the best, man.
unidentified
He's the fucking best.
joe rogan
So you got him to the point where it was like, maybe I don't want to be in this conversation.
bert kreischer
He had to check my credibility.
tom segura
He had to check my credibility.
bert kreischer
We were talking about Cat Williams.
And I was talking about Pimp...
Pimp...
tom segura
Chronicles.
bert kreischer
Chronicles.
And then I was...
It's embarrassing.
It's embarrassing.
But I knew that Snoop knew Red, and I knew that if I brought up Red, Snoop would think maybe, okay, he might know people I know.
tom segura
That was smart.
bert kreischer
But then immediately, Snoop called me on my shit, and in the middle of my story, just FaceTimed Red.
You know him?
And then Red's like, yeah, he's great.
I love Bert.
joe rogan
Yeah, but haven't you ever had conversations with people you know you don't know them and they pretend they know you and they also bring up people that supposedly they know that you know.
ari shaffir
References, you know you're not going to check.
tom segura
Oh, you know Chris, man.
You know Chris, my boy Chris from Rochester?
joe rogan
I met this dude and he was like, he goes, we met before.
We met before with Mark Wahlberg.
I go, oh, cool.
Never met Mark Wahlberg.
tom segura
You're just like, great.
joe rogan
I was like, yeah, yeah, yeah.
I remember.
I remember.
Oh, you're crazy.
You're a crazy, crazy liar person.
bert kreischer
A lot of people say you bring your name up.
Yeah, that's wild.
Astounding.
ari shaffir
Yeah, I'm friends with Joe.
joe rogan
This is a guy I met.
bert kreischer
And I do it too.
joe rogan
His dentist told me.
His dentist told him he played golf with me.
tom segura
Oh yeah, Joe the golfer.
bert kreischer
Joe the golfer?
joe rogan
He's like, my dad plays golf with you.
tom segura
Guy does fucking three rounds every day.
joe rogan
Well, your dad is just crazy, don't let him operate on you, bro.
He puts you under and sticks his dick in your mouth.
tom segura
I think the weirdest thing about the Joe connection is people being like, can you give this to Joe?
ari shaffir
Oh, I get that all the time.
tom segura
That's the thing I get the most when I'm like, huh?
And they're like, I wrote this.
Can you give this to him?
ari shaffir
What is it, another manifesto?
tom segura
Yeah, sure.
Oh, definitely.
joe rogan
If the type is really little, they write really small and get scared.
tom segura
Or you get...
The scariest is...
joe rogan
Tiny letters, like, no!
If they try to, like, two sentences in one line, you know, like, one on top of each other, I'll be fucking terrified.
tom segura
You ever seen writing on writing?
ari shaffir
Yeah.
tom segura
That's schizophrenic.
Schizophrenic.
Telltale of schizophrenia.
Writing on top of writing.
ari shaffir
What do you mean on top of writing?
joe rogan
So you write something and then write right over it.
tom segura
Write on top of it.
So you can't read it.
ari shaffir
It's alien.
tom segura
Yeah, yeah.
And then they'll be like, check this out.
And so immediately you're just like, oh, yeah, no, this is good.
ari shaffir
I'll give this to him.
tom segura
This is really good.
ari shaffir
Just to his people.
joe rogan
Yeah, there's some people that for whatever reason, whatever fucking happens, whether it's chemical or neurons, whatever it is that makes that shift, They're seeing things completely different than you.
tom segura
By the way, gentlemen, you all look very sharp.
ari shaffir
Thank you.
bert kreischer
Hey, by the way...
joe rogan
Cheers to Bert, because it was his idea for us all to wear suits.
bert kreischer
Cheers.
joe rogan
How long have you been doing these?
So the first one was the three of us, and that was the weight loss challenge.
tom segura
That's 2017?
ari shaffir
2017. I left there.
I left right.
I left.
Yeah, you guys did it right before I took off.
joe rogan
Right before you became a New York comedian.
ari shaffir
No, no, no.
bert kreischer
Best thing you ever did.
joe rogan
Well, shut the fuck up.
I'm giving him a hard time.
bert kreischer
Ari changed the scope of comedy.
joe rogan
I'm in the middle of giving him a hard time at Bert's cock pocket.
bert kreischer
Alright, you know what?
Fuck you.
joe rogan
Ari changed the scope of comedy.
bert kreischer
He did.
ari shaffir
I did.
I united the scenes.
bert kreischer
You did.
joe rogan
United the scenes.
bert kreischer
You would not know Andrew Schultz without Ari.
You would not know Chris DiStefano?
tom segura
Is that a rosary?
bert kreischer
You may not know Tim Dillon without Ari branching...
joe rogan
No, I reached out to Tim Dillon.
ari shaffir
No, I showed you a tweet of his and you're like, that's good.
joe rogan
Hey, last two, no doubt you'd 100% introduce me to very funny comedians.
bert kreischer
Hold on.
Joe, you do not know the back tweets, back texts we have when we want to introduce you to people.
Why?
Because you are the biggest media brand in the world.
joe rogan
I don't like what?
ari shaffir
Recommendations.
bert kreischer
You don't.
joe rogan
It's not true.
ari shaffir
You're like, I'll find it on my own.
joe rogan
Well, I do like to find as many things organically as possible.
tom segura
I recommended Brian Simpson.
joe rogan
Yeah, you definitely did.
He's the shit.
bert kreischer
Well, Tommy's recommendations are different than me and Ari's.
ari shaffir
We recommended Shane Gillis for a year and a half.
bert kreischer
How long did we text back and forth?
Ari, one time...
ari shaffir
This guy's not taking this guy.
bert kreischer
And we're like, yo, we gotta send him the Toyota Isis.
And then Ari's like, I'll send it.
You reply.
And be like, how fucking funny is this, Ari?
joe rogan
Listen, I get to things...
ari shaffir
Oh my god, you're right.
joe rogan
I get to things in the perfect amount of time.
bert kreischer
You do.
No, you do.
joe rogan
It's all working well.
It's too overwhelming.
The wave that comes at me is too overwhelming.
So what I do is I just do my best to just stay present, think about what I want to talk about.
tom segura
It's a lot of information coming at you.
ari shaffir
It's actually freeing because people are like, can you get me on Joe's podcast?
I'm like, he's not going to listen to me.
So no.
There's no point.
bert kreischer
I had a guy.
I'll say his name.
Guy reached out and wanted to be on Joe's podcast so fucking bad.
joe rogan
Are you sure you want to say his name?
bert kreischer
Sure, I don't care.
ari shaffir
I love the guy.
bert kreischer
I don't need to.
tom segura
Who is it?
bert kreischer
Theo Vaughn.
Wanted to be on Joe's podcast before you would have ever, like, clocked him.
And he was like, hey man, can you help me get on Joe's?
And I said to Theo, you know what?
It's not good if I take you to him.
Trust me.
I go, trust me, you're so fucking funny.
Joe's gonna find you, and when you do his podcast, you'll murder because Joe loves you.
And Theo's first appearance on this podcast was a monster.
And trust you, if I had said, like, Joe, can you take my buddy?
You would've.
You would've.
And Theo's so bizarre that if you don't know who he is...
joe rogan
I almost always take comic recommendations.
Like, if Ari recommends someone, I almost always 100%.
unidentified
Adrian?
bert kreischer
I hate to do this, Joe.
ari shaffir
We're shaking our heads.
bert kreischer
Joe, we love you.
ari shaffir
We love you, Joe.
joe rogan
Have you seen on?
ari shaffir
Is that what you're saying?
joe rogan
No, I do.
I just don't...
I filter them in when I see fit.
I have...
Scientists and athletes and authors and movies.
There's this funnel of people.
And I have to keep it in the realm of what do I want to do.
ari shaffir
Yeah, true.
joe rogan
I have to.
tom segura
I got to ask you one.
And there might not be one answer, but maybe there's a few.
Have you ever had the most like, okay, I'll have them on.
Like, yeah, I'll have this person on.
And you're the most impressed, like most blown away by them.
ari shaffir
They were great.
tom segura
Yeah, it doesn't have to be a comedian.
It could be an athlete, actor, scientist, where you're just like, holy shit, that was amazing, and you weren't expecting it?
joe rogan
You know what?
If I mentioned one, I would do a disservice to so many of them that have happened that way.
tom segura
Yeah, okay.
joe rogan
Yeah, there's just so many.
There's so many that people recommended.
ari shaffir
Henry Rollins was good.
joe rogan
Oh, he was amazing.
He was on a couple of times.
And that was one of those ones where I was like, I worried that we wouldn't get along.
tom segura
With Henry?
joe rogan
He's very volatile.
tom segura
Yeah.
joe rogan
He's very volatile.
tom segura
Agro.
joe rogan
Yeah.
But in a weird way that I feel like...
tom segura
I'm glad you struggled, too.
joe rogan
I feel like if you confront him with any aggression, he comes back at you tenfold and feels justified.
tom segura
Ah.
joe rogan
I was on a radio station once in Austin, and they had this conversation with him, and they said something, and it went...
He interpreted what they said really badly and then he went off on them and just fucking attacked them and was talking about how successful he is and it was a weird conversation.
I love hearing those.
But I know guys like that.
I know guys like that from fighting.
There's certain guys that you just have to massage your relationship with them.
And I'm not saying that's Henry Rollins, but I'm saying it's guys who get angry really quickly and like maybe misread the room.
tom segura
I think you know how to navigate that really well, though.
joe rogan
And the dude, first of all, he was like, Henry Rollins at one point in time was like a fucking serious power lifter.
Have you ever seen?
I didn't know that.
Yeah, when he did that video, I'm a liar.
Do you ever see how jacked he is?
bert kreischer
Yes.
joe rogan
Put up I'm a liar.
bert kreischer
Cause I'm a liar.
joe rogan
But now he's settled into his older years and he mostly does bodyweight stuff.
We actually had a conversation about it.
But he wrote an amazing essay.
ari shaffir
Jesus.
joe rogan
No, that's not him.
That's Franco Colombo, you son of a bitch.
unidentified
What the fuck?
joe rogan
No, there's a video.
There's a music video.
That's it.
That's it.
bert kreischer
I was like he had a pull of the hair.
joe rogan
You see how he's screaming in that snapshot?
That's from the video.
That's from the music video.
The music video has nothing to do with this essay, but he wrote an essay about lifting weights.
What is it called, Jamie?
Something about truth is in the iron?
It's fucking great.
Truth is in the iron is a badass statement.
The iron.
That's what it is.
Does he say it here?
Give me volume.
unidentified
The humiliation of teachers calling me garbage can and telling me I'd be mowing lawns for a living.
joe rogan
This is a kid reading Henry Rollins book.
That's what that is.
Go to the essay itself.
bert kreischer
God, I like Henry.
joe rogan
Because it's an essay that Henry Rollins, by the way, writes constantly.
He writes for a bunch of different publications, he writes essays all the time, and he listens to a shit ton of fucking, a shit ton of music, like on vinyl.
He has this insane setup in his house where he has like $250,000 speakers.
It's madness.
He's just a music fiend.
So, this is it.
I believe that the definition of definition is reinvention.
To not be like your parents, to not be like your friends, to be yourself completely.
When I was young, I had no sense of myself.
All I was was a product of all the fear and humiliation that I suffered.
Fear of my parents, the humiliation of teachers calling me garbage can and telling me that I'd be mowing lawns for a living, and the very real terror of my fellow students.
I was threatened and beaten up for the color of my skin and my size.
I was skinny and clumsy, and when others would tease me, I didn't run home crying, wondering why.
I knew all too well.
I was there to be antagonized.
In sports, I was laughed at.
A spaz.
I was pretty good at boxing, but only because of the rage that filled my every waking moment.
Made me wild and unpredictable.
I fought with some strange fury.
The other boys thought I was crazy.
I hated myself all the time.
As stupid as it seems now, I wanted to talk like them, dress like them, carry myself with the ease of knowing that I wasn't going to get pounded in the hallways between classes.
Years passed, and I learned to keep it all inside.
I only talked to a few boys in my grade, other losers.
Some of them are, to this day, the greatest people I have ever known.
Hang out with a guy who has had his head flushed down a toilet a few times, treat him with respect, and you'll find a faithful friend forever.
But even with friends, school sucked, teachers gave me hard times.
I can't read this forever.
This is gonna boil shit up.
Let's get to the wait part.
ari shaffir
Oh my god.
bert kreischer
Have you ever had your head flushed in a toilet?
joe rogan
Me?
No.
bert kreischer
Okay.
ari shaffir
Have you?
bert kreischer
Of course.
joe rogan
Really?
In high school?
bert kreischer
Yeah.
joe rogan
I love how you brought Henry Rollins again back to you.
I prefer to work out alone.
bert kreischer
It's a pivotal moment, and the thing is, have you ever been violated like that?
I mean, that's what he's writing about is violation.
ari shaffir
Was there anything in the toilet?
joe rogan
Yeah.
unidentified
No, no, no.
bert kreischer
It was at Forest Hills Baseball.
I mean, it's being violated.
You have to be held up by a group of boys, and then they put your head in the toilet, which, flushed or not flushed, it's a violation.
I mean, I'm not bringing it back to me.
I'm just saying, like, that's a very fucking powerful thing.
They were called swirlies.
Right here, through the years.
unidentified
Yeah.
tom segura
Through the years, I have combined meditation, action, and the iron into a single strength.
I believe that when the body is strong, the mind thinks strong thoughts.
Time spent away from the iron makes my mind degenerate.
I wallow in a thick depression.
My body shuts down my mind.
The iron is the best antidepressant I have ever found.
There is no better way to fight weakness than with strength.
Once the mind and body have been awakened to their true potential, it's impossible to turn back.
The iron never lies to you.
bert kreischer
That's badass.
joe rogan
Fucking perfect.
bert kreischer
That's badass.
joe rogan
That's perfect.
That's 100% true.
I feel that.
tom segura
Yeah, you embody that.
joe rogan
Yeah.
bert kreischer
But you were bullied as a kid.
joe rogan
Oh, yeah, for sure.
bert kreischer
Yeah.
joe rogan
Yeah, I was little.
So I didn't like it, and I also moved into new neighborhoods all the time.
I moved into new neighborhoods like three or four times when I was a kid.
So it was like every time I was the new guy, and I wasn't a big guy, and dudes were fucking with me.
I was like, damn, I got to learn how to fight.
That was 100% my motivation.
I wasn't like a kid that looked for fights, ever.
I was just terrified.
I was like, okay, I'm tired of this.
What's the solution?
I gotta learn martial arts.
Watch Bruce Lee movies.
I'm like, alright, I don't want to be like that guy.
Is that physically possible?
tom segura
What about, because what we were talking about right before was asking people things.
Because you've had so many fighters.
You love MMA, and you're a great commentator.
I think you're a great analyst.
You really know so much about it.
It's fun to talk to you, to learn.
I think it's fun to learn.
But have you ever had a fighter that...
Because you give honest takes on things when you're watching something.
You're like, this guy's ground game is not as strong, or this guy's striking is what it is.
You're honest about it.
Has a fighter ever carried that...
Like, comment, and then come in here and been like, you know, I didn't really like it.
joe rogan
No, not in here.
ari shaffir
I saw it once at dinner.
unidentified
Where?
ari shaffir
Heath Herring.
When he was like, hey, you said some stuff about me, whatever, but just so you know, I was injured during that fight.
I was nursing a knee injury, just so you're aware of what was going on.
joe rogan
What I said is, I have to comment on what's happening.
I would normally...
Like, I always give...
If someone's got an unusually bad performance, I will try to give this...
tom segura
Kind of qualify it?
joe rogan
You never know what's going on.
If you see a guy carrying a little bit of extra weight, sometimes you see a little bit of love handles, you're like, hmm, that's weird.
tom segura
His camp maybe wasn't as strong.
joe rogan
There might have been something wrong.
And that's so fucking common.
Literally no fighter at a world-class level goes into that octagon 100%.
They just don't.
They just don't.
Someone's got a fucked up elbow.
Someone's neck's kind of weird.
Someone doesn't want to wrestle.
Their knee's bad.
Their ankle's fucked.
They got their ankle taped.
Why is his ankle taped?
There's so many guys go in there with real fucking injuries, man.
tom segura
But do they ever bring any hostility to a comment made?
No.
joe rogan
I've had conversations with guys, but over the years I've learned to express as much respect as I have.
Sometimes you're just commenting in the moment, like you would with friends, like, oh, he's breaking.
He's breaking.
But you have to be careful how you say that when a guy is in a fight, if the guy's gonna watch it, and he knows he's breaking, and you're just kind of compounding his awful moment.
tom segura
Yeah, yeah, yeah.
joe rogan
Because guys break.
tom segura
Sure.
joe rogan
They do break, but it's not my place to say that necessarily.
It is my place to comment on the technical aspects of how the exchange is going.
If I see them folding, if I see certain characteristics where they're not engaging, they're just moving in a defensive way, and they seem to be looking for a way out.
tom segura
Mm-hmm.
joe rogan
You know?
ari shaffir
Greg Jackson told me that he sees fighters except that they're not gonna win.
joe rogan
100%.
ari shaffir
And then they're just fighting not to get knocked out.
joe rogan
Exactly.
100%.
tom segura
Who was at the UFC Austin that, like, he was 40 and, like, he's been fighting for, like...
joe rogan
Benil Dariush.
unidentified
Man.
tom segura
That was crazy.
joe rogan
The guy he fought, though, is a fucking assassin.
unidentified
Yeah.
joe rogan
He has one loss to Gamrot and he has one loss to Ismail Makachev who's the world champion and by most people's eyes at least number one or number two pound for pound in the world.
What was that?
What are you showing me?
So that guy, Armand Saryukian, he's a fucking assassin.
And Benil Dariush, who's a very good fighter, at this stage of his life is, you know, he's...
I don't know how old Benil is, but I think he's close to 40. He's got gray hair.
tom segura
That was the thing that stood out there.
You're like, man, can you imagine doing this at 40?
joe rogan
But he's also a very elite fighter.
Benil Dariush is fucking elite.
He's very good.
I mean...
But the UFC is a clean sport.
Right now with USADA gone and now...
What is the new company called?
Clean sport?
No.
ari shaffir
So what?
joe rogan
So they still drug test.
tom segura
So there is still a governing body.
unidentified
Yeah.
joe rogan
And if you're going to be 40 years old, you're fighting at a disadvantage.
So the advantage would be that you know more.
ari shaffir
Right.
joe rogan
Which is an advantage.
ari shaffir
Like old Captain America.
joe rogan
There's an advantage of knowing more, but it's not enough of an advantage to deal with people who also know a lot.
And the young people, there's an acceleration that comes from watching things on YouTube and watching things streaming.
The young people are way better than the people that are older now were when they were that young.
tom segura
Sure.
joe rogan
Sure.
There's a drug-free sport.
tom segura
But the guy he fought, the guy you're saying, wasn't he like 22 or something?
unidentified
Yep.
joe rogan
He's world-class, and he was world-class when he was 20. And the fight with Makachev, it was a very close decision.
I don't remember if it was split.
It might have been unanimous, but it was a super close decision.
So Benil's only 34?
unidentified
Yeah.
joe rogan
No way!
ari shaffir
Why'd you bring him up, Tom?
joe rogan
Benil's only 34. I'm sorry, Benil.
It's your hair, brother.
Benil's gonna be mad at me!
No, Benil's a very good guy.
He's a very, very smart guy.
ari shaffir
He's gonna take his walker over here and beat you with it.
joe rogan
He's also elite at jiu-jitsu.
tom segura
I don't remember why I brought him up.
We were talking about the fight.
joe rogan
Goddamn, why did I think he was 40?
tom segura
I think at that fight, someone had said 40, and I was just like, that is insane, bro.
joe rogan
Oh, that's what it is.
tom segura
That's insane.
If that were true, can you imagine jumping in the octagon at 40 with a guy who's 21, 22?
unidentified
But Randy Couture was world class when he was 40. Yeah.
ari shaffir
Heavyweights are different.
bert kreischer
Randy Couture's a badass.
joe rogan
He was world class when he was 40. But also, there was no USADA back then.
bert kreischer
How do you measure?
How do you measure?
joe rogan
I mean, Alistair Overeem isn't Alistair Overeem.
ari shaffir
Right.
joe rogan
With USADA. It's just not the same thing.
They didn't have anything?
ari shaffir
They didn't have any testing?
joe rogan
It was a fucking intelligence test.
tom segura
He looks like he's not.
joe rogan
Yeah, he's withered away.
Clay Guida also fought that night.
jamie vernon
He's 42. Could have been him.
joe rogan
Oh, yeah.
Clay Guida.
tom segura
Is that who he was talking about?
joe rogan
The wild man.
tom segura
Yeah, yeah, yeah.
joe rogan
You're not talking about the guy who got knocked out.
tom segura
No, no.
I'm talking about this team.
joe rogan
That's where our conversation got confused.
tom segura
That's where I got confused.
joe rogan
No, Clay is 42. So why'd you bring him up?
bert kreischer
Because he was at that fight.
ari shaffir
And you said Joe said something about him or something like that?
unidentified
What were you talking about?
tom segura
I forget what the origin...
I've been drinking.
I forget the origin of the conversation.
bert kreischer
How do you measure when you are a legit fan of someone and you kind of want them to win?
joe rogan
Yeah, you can't.
Well, that was a real problem with being Shaub, when Shaub would fight.
Because I also knew that Sha...
I know when someone has one foot in and one foot out, because I had one foot in and one foot out when I started doing stand-up.
I was still fighting when I was doing stand-up.
And I know when you're not 100% focused, that's a dangerous place to be.
Because you can get overconfident and you think that you're still at the same level that you were at if you're 100% all-in, but you're not.
You're not.
You're not.
The people that are 100% all-in on being world champion are not also thinking about, I'm gonna start this podcast and we're gonna go do a tour and do stand-up, and now I'm making more money doing podcasts than I was doing fighting, and now they're taking the promotions away.
I had more money from...
Sean had more money from ads on his shorts than he would get from his UFC paycheck.
So I knew he was one foot in, one foot out.
So with that situation, it's like, you gotta stop.
Like, I've seen this.
You gotta stop.
But some guys, you can't tell them to stop.
It's like, they have this thing in their head, and they want to figure out how to get to where they used to be one more time.
They think they can do it.
They know they can do it.
bert kreischer
I feel like that was stand-up.
ari shaffir
But I would root for a guy, though.
I'd be like, come on!
That would come out.
joe rogan
That's Tony Ferguson.
That's Tony Ferguson.
Everybody roots for Tony.
tom segura
Everybody loves Tony.
joe rogan
Everybody roots for Tony to go back to when he was the boogeyman.
Because, you know, El Kukui, that fucking guy, he just seemed impenetrable.
It didn't matter if you hurt him.
You weren't going to stop him.
He was coming forward.
tom segura
He has a series of losses in a row now, right?
joe rogan
Well, it was really...
All from that one knee injury that he got backstage, he tripped over wires and destroyed his knee.
Destroyed his knee.
unidentified
That's how?
ari shaffir
You gotta mitigate risk.
joe rogan
He was El Kukui.
He was the interim lightweight champion.
He was supposed to fight Khabib Nurmagomedov in Madison Square Garden.
tom segura
And he tripped over wires?
joe rogan
In the promo leading up to the show, he was doing one of those ESPN things or whatever, and there were some wires on the ground.
He didn't see them and he tripped on them.
tom segura
And he wrecked his knee that way?
joe rogan
Wrecked his knee.
Tore it apart.
Had to have surgery.
tom segura
That part would piss me off so much.
That's how it happened.
joe rogan
And then he comes back.
He beats Anthony Pettis.
tom segura
That would bother me less.
joe rogan
Are you 100% now?
tom segura
On the knee, yes.
On the arm, no.
ari shaffir
Really?
tom segura
Which is the opposite of what they tell you.
ari shaffir
Can you jerk off?
unidentified
You don't jerk off left-handed, you fucking psycho.
ari shaffir
You don't, fucking rookie.
tom segura
When you're in the hospital, they point to your arm.
joe rogan
Way to turn that around quickly.
Good volley.
tom segura
They go, this is not going to be a problem.
This is going to be a problem.
And you're like, oh, okay.
Because you think, oh.
joe rogan
And now your knee's 100%?
tom segura
100%.
But I have nerve damage in my arm.
So it might never, ever, ever be what it was.
ari shaffir
Damn.
joe rogan
So where's it at now?
tom segura
Well, it's just that I, for life, it's fine.
Like, you know, I can do anything.
unidentified
But for high-level athletics?
joe rogan
Yeah.
tom segura
So with, like, heavy, like, I don't know if I'll ever be able to lift anything heavy again.
ari shaffir
Can you beat Bird of Tennis?
tom segura
Yeah.
External rotation, it really is bad.
But even when you have a heavy weight in your hand...
Well, first of all, I get wrist collapse at a certain weight.
So this hand will be fine, and at a certain weight, it'll collapse.
And then you feel things all in the elbow area with heavy weight.
So I don't know if I'll ever...
Not that I need to, but that's the thing.
It's like you go, I don't need...
To be a power lifter.
Right.
But it's still kind of, yeah, it sucks when you're in there and you're like, oh, my whole arm has like these crazy vibrations and pains going on with heavy weight.
So you just have to like shift what you do.
joe rogan
Yeah, that's why I stopped doing jujitsu for a whole year.
I started getting these nerve pains in my fingers.
tom segura
If you push on my forearm, my whole hand will go numb.
ari shaffir
What?
joe rogan
Yeah.
unidentified
Really?
tom segura
Well, they took a nerve from here.
joe rogan
Any nerve thing is super dangerous.
tom segura
They took it out of here.
You know, I have no nerve here.
unidentified
What?
tom segura
Yeah, I have none.
They took it out and they put it in here.
joe rogan
Do you mean the tendon?
tom segura
No, they took the nerve out.
They took your nerve out?
They took the nerve out because...
Reconnect nerves?
Yeah, it was a state-of-the-art surgery at the time.
unidentified
Wow.
tom segura
So when the guy did it, I was like, how many of these have you done?
He goes, one.
I go, oh, no.
ari shaffir
Oh, my God.
joe rogan
Oh, my God.
tom segura
And he goes, because you have two nerves and two muscles here to let you pronate.
And so they take it out.
joe rogan
Can you explain what was happening?
That the fingers, the last fingers weren't coming back, right?
ari shaffir
Is this what you have to wear a light watch?
tom segura
They would go...
unidentified
They go...
tom segura
It was...
The injury is in December.
And in, like, March, they do a nerve test.
And they go, everything is not firing.
Like, are you...
How are you functioning?
And I'm like, yeah, you know...
And there were things that were notable.
Like, if I went to pick something up, you might not notice.
But I would just grab it.
My hand didn't open all the way.
So if you go like this, I would go like this with my healthy hand, and I would go like this.
And that was the most I could do.
And they told me, they go, if you wait a year, and the nerve doesn't fire and reconnect on its own, your body consumes a nodule.
It just consumes them.
It's like you've ever seen somebody who has like a hand that just doesn't work anymore?
joe rogan
That's it.
tom segura
That's what that is.
That's that nerve damage.
So they go, if you elect to just wait it out, just know that where you are could be just where you are forever.
joe rogan
Oh, shit.
tom segura
And so when he told me that, he's like, or I could do this surgery that's like...
It was actually a Brazilian surgeon who came up with this process, this surgery, and he goes, it works, you know, 100% confident in it.
And then he just...
When it starts to hurt you turn your fucking card over to red More more knees More knees But then he did it and dude like you know I can I go all the way And I can pick things up But there's things where You would think it's strength but it's not strength
It's the nerve firing like if I pick up something heavy I can pick it up and with my right arm and pull it up, and my left arm is here, and you go, oh, I guess you're just not strong.
It's not strength.
It's that the nerve isn't firing.
It's just not sending the signal.
ari shaffir
It won't tell it to go.
tom segura
It won't tell it to go all the way.
ari shaffir
Wow.
joe rogan
Dude, in the lone loss in my career where I got TKO'd, I got hit with a left hook and I got hit with a left hook and my legs shut off.
tom segura
Totally shut up.
joe rogan
It's the weirdest sensation of all time.
ari shaffir
Wow.
joe rogan
I got hit with this hook.
It hit my arm and chin, and my legs just stopped working.
Just stopped working.
I'm conscious.
My legs just stopped working.
They just completely collapsed.
And so the referee starts counting.
One, two.
And I'm like, whoa.
Totally new experience.
All my years of competing, never had that.
tom segura
Never had that.
joe rogan
So then I stand up and I'm like, these things aren't working right.
And then this dude's like throwing punches at me and they stop the fight.
But it was a fascinating experience because it was like, it's not about heart and will.
It's not about, they just stop working.
tom segura
Haven't you had Zach better on before?
unidentified
Yeah.
tom segura
And he just did that thing where, you know, he's an elite, elite ultra marathon runner.
joe rogan
Yeah.
tom segura
And he was out on one of these like 100 milers.
And at like 80 miles, he was like, I felt sick.
I had to lay down.
I tried to rest.
He posted about it, you know?
And he's like, my legs, they just shut down.
So he's like, I just had to, at a certain point, he just goes, I'm tapping out of this one.
And it wasn't like, you know, it's different than obviously getting hit, but his body just was like, nope.
joe rogan
That's enough.
unidentified
That's it.
joe rogan
It's just like, it's over.
tom segura
Not happening.
That's kind of like, this is...
joe rogan
The wildest thing about these people that are pushing themselves like Zach Bitter does or David Goggins does is that like, Inevitably, they're going to get damaged to that body.
tom segura
David has to.
joe rogan
Oh no, he already has.
bert kreischer
He shared it.
joe rogan
He shared it.
He sent me videos of his leg where he takes his leg and he compresses his fingers around it and the edema around his shin is so thick that his fingers are embedded in his shin.
unidentified
What?
joe rogan
He had his knee severed.
unidentified
What?
joe rogan
And then reconnected.
He has no cartilage.
He's bone on bone.
What's that going to be like at 60 for that guy?
He's going to get replacements, 100%.
His doctor looked at his knee and said, I can't believe you can fucking walk on this.
Never mind run thousands of miles.
tom segura
Thousands?
joe rogan
Yeah, that's his leg.
tom segura
Look at that.
joe rogan
That's edema on his leg.
That's from him just putting his fingers on his leg.
And that's after one of multiple surgeries he's had.
bert kreischer
What is edema, if you don't mind me asking?
joe rogan
It's the swelling.
It's like all this fluid.
It's basically just fucking torn.
tom segura
Meanwhile, he's an animal, bro.
joe rogan
He's an animal.
When he came to my podcast, he got there early.
When I walked in, he was already doing chin-ups.
unidentified
He was?
joe rogan
Yeah, when I first met him.
I went into the gym.
The podcast starts at whatever it started at.
I get there.
ari shaffir
He comes in and he's like, don't mind if I do?
joe rogan
I meet his wife.
I go back.
And he's back there doing chin-ups with his shirt off.
It's like, there's no reason to rest.
Why am I resting right here?
There's a whole full gym.
Can I use this gym?
Let's go.
He just goes out there, he's doing gym.
tom segura
He's a crazy person.
joe rogan
What a great way to maximize your time, though.
You just sit there like, you know, I guess we're early.
What are you going to do?
There's a gym right there.
bert kreischer
Yeah, yeah, yeah.
Let's get some ice.
joe rogan
Look at his toes.
tom segura
The water.
joe rogan
Look at his toes.
bert kreischer
No.
joe rogan
Look at the screen.
bert kreischer
No.
joe rogan
Tommy.
tom segura
Oh, fuck.
joe rogan
That's Goggin's toe.
ari shaffir
Eat it.
joe rogan
That's from running.
He ran some insane amount of 100 milers in like a short period of time.
bert kreischer
Can I tell you the most human thing about him is that he reads negative comments.
Like when you see that he gets upset about them.
joe rogan
He listens to them when he runs.
bert kreischer
That's where I connect with the guy where I go, who would ever hate on David Goggins?
That guy has nothing but inspiration on me.
joe rogan
Listen, you gotta let that go.
There's people that are gonna hate on every fucking thing that has ever existed.
And it's not an honest perspective.
It's flavored by their own inadequacies.
bert kreischer
Got you.
joe rogan
A big part of it is flavored by their own fucking disastrous life.
bert kreischer
David Goggins is what I listen to when I, if I'm hungover, I go to the gym, I throw on David Goggins, they got a thing on him, oh yeah, I'm gonna fucking throw one of those in too.
joe rogan
One one?
unidentified
I'll take a rogue.
joe rogan
This is a three, this one's a six.
bert kreischer
I'll take a six.
ari shaffir
No.
bert kreischer
Six rogue.
joe rogan
Yeah, that's what I like.
Here you go, brother.
I like riding the horse.
Tommy turned me on to these.
bert kreischer
Tommy turned me on to them, too.
joe rogan
Yeah, the Rogues are good.
They're very tasty.
And I don't take as many of them in as I do with the Zins.
ari shaffir
I'll take those any day over people fucking dipping.
bert kreischer
Oh, dipping's so sexy.
unidentified
You're wrong.
bert kreischer
You're wrong.
joe rogan
My friend Perry, he was the stunt coordinator on Fear Factor.
He was a stunt coordinator on so many movies that back in the day, you know, we're talking about like the early 2000s, and for him, like deep into the 90s and probably the 80s, You weren't encouraged to be spitting on set.
bert kreischer
Yeah, he had to gut it.
joe rogan
So he would just swallow it.
So Perry got accustomed to swallowing his own tobacco juice.
I'm like, that's a fucking man.
ari shaffir
That's a shot of John Crunk.
John Crunk gutted it.
Slid into first, cut his whole lip up, and he was on that side.
He took it all out and pushed to the other side.
bert kreischer
Oh, this one's good.
joe rogan
Which one is?
bert kreischer
You can taste it immediately.
joe rogan
Those are good.
Those are a spearmint.
Ari, what is this month you're doing?
ari shaffir
I just needed some time off.
joe rogan
Why don't you just do it on October like we were supposed to do it?
ari shaffir
Because we never do.
bert kreischer
Who are you doing it with?
joe rogan
No, we don't never do it, are we?
ari shaffir
We're doing it by yourself.
joe rogan
This year we didn't do it.
bert kreischer
I did.
ari shaffir
I'm just doing it to do it.
bert kreischer
I did it this year.
joe rogan
Congratulations.
bert kreischer
I did it by myself.
joe rogan
No weed?
Nothing?
bert kreischer
No, come on.
I'm not sober.
joe rogan
That's what I'm saying.
That's not sober.
ari shaffir
I'm doing no weed.
bert kreischer
No, no, no.
I did October without weed, and then I started doing weed, and I was like, weed's the fucking best.
It really is the best.
ari shaffir
I'm doing no weed, no coffee.
joe rogan
Weed is essentially steroids for comedy.
ari shaffir
Weed is great.
You're right.
It is.
Or it helps you.
It hurts you.
joe rogan
It can hurt you if you're a bitch.
ari shaffir
I don't feel like driving whiting tonight.
bert kreischer
I think weed is at its best when you get off stage and you take a couple hits and It almost just goes, hey man, we're good.
ari shaffir
Yeah.
bert kreischer
Like, let's get in bed and watch a documentary on tarpon fishing.
ari shaffir
You should sit on it.
bert kreischer
And you're like, fuck yeah.
It's the coolest, man.
ari shaffir
Oh, I never finished telling you this.
So they say, what do you want after your set at the Wilbur?
And I was like, I'm cool.
Sometimes after I get off, I like a glass of scotch.
And I finished.
The last time I was there, I was like, thank you, good night.
And I took one step down, and she just hands me a glass of scotch.
And I was like, I've never been treated like this in my life.
It was so fucking nice.
bert kreischer
Fuck yeah, dude.
joe rogan
That's thoughtful.
Yeah, a nice glass of scotch after you just did what you needed to do.
bert kreischer
I was thinking about you in the shower this morning.
joe rogan
Oh, really?
Oh, Jesus Christ.
He's always got to make it weird.
unidentified
Oh, boy.
bert kreischer
I'm broken.
ari shaffir
What position?
bert kreischer
I was washing my armpits.
And I thought...
joe rogan
Oh, normal.
ari shaffir
Oh, yeah.
joe rogan
That's when I think about Ari, too.
ari shaffir
It's cheat code.
I'm on my armpits.
bert kreischer
You want to know me?
I tell you why sometimes I think about Ari when I wash my armpits?
joe rogan
Yes.
ari shaffir
I bet I know.
bert kreischer
I would love to hear it.
ari shaffir
The amount of deodorant I put on?
bert kreischer
No.
No.
No, I do think about you when I put on deodorant, though.
I lost enough weight that I have an armpit again.
ari shaffir
What did you have before?
A gut?
bert kreischer
No, it was just fat.
You couldn't feel the tendons in your peck, in your back.
So, like, it's just a fold.
It's not like an armpit.
Yeah.
ari shaffir
And so now you're like, Ari's going to be jealous?
bert kreischer
No, no, no, no, no, no.
I was thinking...
I have a little buzz, so I'll share it.
But I was thinking, how cool is it that you've had moments in your career where everyone's like, fucking write that guy off, and you're killing it.
And you're killing it.
And then you start thinking...
joe rogan
That has to do with armpits?
bert kreischer
No, no.
Armpits thought of Ari, and then I thought of Ari.
I've been thinking about Ari all day because of what happened last night.
joe rogan
Oh, okay.
bert kreischer
And I thought...
You know, with what happened last night, I thought, I love that there's forgiveness in this world, and I love that he's killing it right now.
joe rogan
People that don't want to forgive people that are actively trying to be better people are bad people.
bert kreischer
Yes, yes.
joe rogan
There's a negative aspect to this non-forgiveness mindset that is inescapable.
It's not good for the person that perpetuates it, it's definitely not good for the people that receive it.
If you have this fear that you'll be cast out of the kingdom forever for a thing that you deeply regret and you might have done in duress or you might have done for whatever fucking reason, but you realize as a human being, how could I have done that?
If you're not willing to say, I get it, we're all human, and I believe your intention, give me a hug, let's work this out.
If you can't do that, you're the problem.
The problem is an unforgiving mindset, the least charitable perspective on every person you run into, because you think that somehow or another that elevates you, but it doesn't.
ari shaffir
It doesn't.
And they make you stick to this mistake.
When Kevin Hart was trying to be nice about gays, and they're like, well, where was that then?
I'm like, he's being nice!
And this is your moment to shit on him?
joe rogan
Also, Kevin Hart was trying to be famous and trying to get laughs.
ari shaffir
Trying to get laughs.
joe rogan
And when you try to get laughs, you will say things you don't believe, but you think will be effective.
And it's a sign of a comedian that's not that good yet.
It's a normal thing that we all did.
bert kreischer
And still do.
unidentified
I don't do it, you fucking pussies.
bert kreischer
I watch people take wild chances at the mothership.
Like, wild chances.
And I know the audience sometimes goes, why does he care about that?
And you go, no, it's this thing in his head, and he's trying to find something.
joe rogan
Well, I think the audience at the Mothership is more aware of that than most clubs because we talk about it so much that the process of creating a bit is sometimes you have to trot it out there and while you're saying it, you're free-balling and you might go down the wrong path and kind of get committed to it.
ari shaffir
And then you're like stuck on a route.
Yeah, you're just like, well, let me try to get out of this.
joe rogan
But that's how new bits are created.
There's new bits that get created because of that.
ari shaffir
You just push yourself into a corner.
Yeah, see somebody like, that guy's not good.
He's trying something.
joe rogan
Yeah, that's what infuriated me.
It infuriated me about Louis CK's leak set.
Oh, I thought about that today.
When comics were going after him, I'm like, are you lying to the normies about the process?
tom segura
It's also one of those things where I remember when that happened and you're like, we should not lose this list of names.
joe rogan
Oh, I've never lost that list of names.
ari shaffir
These fucking cunts.
tom segura
Where you're like, it's so obvious, by the way, that this is a pop-in, like, I'm working this shit out.
It's a workout set.
joe rogan
He hasn't done stand-up in 10 months.
tom segura
It's so crazy.
joe rogan
No stand-up in 10 months.
And every one of those premises had promise.
ari shaffir
And also, yeah, they were good.
I would relate it to people when they were like, what's going on?
I would tell them.
They'd laugh at me retelling that joke.
unidentified
It's funny.
joe rogan
It's literally like a farmer being criticized for not having a crop to take the market right after he plants the seeds.
unidentified
Yeah, yeah.
joe rogan
Where's your fucking tomatoes?
tom segura
He might be the most fun person to watch work out, period, too.
He goes deep.
Dude, he's so good at it, and he just takes chances, and he goes for it, and the thing is, he actually sits in suffering More than other comics.
Meaning, if it starts to not work, so many people bail out like that, and he'll sit in the suffering.
ari shaffir
It's a strength.
joe rogan
We were talking about this last night at the club, that there is a giant group of fans that want to see that happen.
ari shaffir
Yeah.
joe rogan
We're talking about guys, like guys were coming up to Duncan and saying, hey, I love how you changed that.
And now you're like, oh shit, now you've watched me multiple times do this thing?
But they like the pro...
Like, I like music.
I can't play music.
I can't play anything.
But I love watching live music.
tom segura
Yeah.
joe rogan
I love watching people perform, and if there was a way that I could go watch them develop live songs, develop them, if I knew that Gary Clark Jr. is going to start out with this sort of melody and put it together in front of crowds, then one day it's going to be on Spotify, but for now, I'm getting to watch it happen?
That's comedy fans now.
tom segura
Yes, that is comedy fans now.
bert kreischer
What percentage though?
In a room?
joe rogan
37. No.
ari shaffir
37. I'd say like less than a half percent.
joe rogan
At the Mothership?
bert kreischer
Less than a half, yeah.
joe rogan
At the Mothership?
tom segura
That are wanting to watch that?
joe rogan
I bet at the Mothership there's a lot more than most.
Because I bet at the Mothership they've at least listened to one conversation between comedians.
ari shaffir
But you have to have seen the stand-up set a few times to see how it tweaks.
joe rogan
Don't use that bitch-ass lighter.
That is un-American.
ari shaffir
Bitch, you little bitch.
joe rogan
What a bitch you are.
unidentified
Take this lighter.
joe rogan
Oh my god.
ari shaffir
How are you a leader in your family with that bitch lighter?
joe rogan
I need to get a torch.
Does someone make a lighter that looks like an eagle?
tom segura
Bert, what do you got in there?
joe rogan
Jamie, find me an Eagle lighter for my cigarettes.
bert kreischer
Can I give you the best cigar you've ever had?
unidentified
Cigars.
ari shaffir
This is the best cigar you've ever had in your life.
With the chopper on it, it's great.
joe rogan
Yeah, Calibri.
Shout out to Calibri.
bert kreischer
The only time I'd ever flex a fucking please hook me up.
ari shaffir
I got one of those too.
bert kreischer
I showed you this yesterday.
La Florida Minica.
The Andalusian Bull.
This is the best cigar you'll ever have in your fucking life.
ari shaffir
Really?
bert kreischer
That cigar is next fucking level.
joe rogan
This is the boy who cried wolf personified.
bert kreischer
No, no, it's the way I live life.
I tell you how I feel.
joe rogan
You told me you could do the splits.
bert kreischer
Buddy, I did a marathon.
You know how hard it was to bite my tongue when you showed me David Goggins' foot?
And I was like, that's what we do.
joe rogan
You should have just said it.
bert kreischer
That's what we do, Joe.
joe rogan
You did a marathon.
What do you want?
bert kreischer
I know.
ari shaffir
It's a cutter.
It's right in front of you, Bert.
bert kreischer
Joe, what part of my shoulders do you like?
joe rogan
They're very firm.
They also look like a guy who could pick up some heavy shit.
We were talking about it in the green room.
When you got on stage, I was like, damn, look at Bert's fucking shoulders.
You got traps.
You got shoulders.
You look jacked.
You remember that one day we did Sober October?
We went back there, and everybody was like, how much can you bench?
It was one of those times when you bench things, and we put 225 on the bar, and no one could bench it.
But I just saw you benching it the other day, and how many did you do?
How many reps?
Ten reps.
tom segura
By the way, for progress, like to be clear, you got pinned the first time.
bert kreischer
I got pinned.
tom segura
Pinned.
Pinned on one.
bert kreischer
Pinned, I remember.
joe rogan
I don't bench press, and when I did it, I was like, this is really stupid, but we were drunk.
bert kreischer
I love it.
joe rogan
I think I did 12 or 13. But I can do 15 now.
Every now and then I'd try it.
bert kreischer
You know I'm going to blow out my pecs trying to do 15 today.
ari shaffir
Do it.
Blow them out.
tom segura
Do it.
joe rogan
If you do, I'll do 20. Do it.
ari shaffir
If you guys aren't pussies, you do it.
bert kreischer
I love this about you.
joe rogan
We'll take it to the death.
bert kreischer
I love this about you.
joe rogan
You don't love it.
bert kreischer
I love that you own a little territory in my head.
joe rogan
You don't love it.
bert kreischer
I do.
joe rogan
You don't.
bert kreischer
I do.
joe rogan
You think you love it.
bert kreischer
I absolutely do.
joe rogan
You think you love it until we're actually engaged in competition.
And then it's an anxiety when you get up to piss in the middle of the night.
I know you think about it.
ari shaffir
But for real, Joe, you couldn't double it.
joe rogan
I could have doubled him.
I doubled him with push-ups.
ari shaffir
No, that's ridiculous.
You couldn't.
joe rogan
I definitely could.
tom segura
Could you do 30 reps?
joe rogan
No.
tom segura
30's tough.
bert kreischer
No, impossible.
tom segura
No, no, no.
joe rogan
My frame can't handle it.
At 15, I'd be struggling.
At 15, I'd be struggling.
What I did with you guys, I had no idea if I could even do it.
I literally hadn't benched in forever.
All I do is kettlebells.
The heaviest weight I do is 70 pounds.
bert kreischer
Hey, would you ever think about posting when you program for your workout?
I would love to know what you do.
Do you ever post it on Instagram?
joe rogan
Do you do circuits?
Yeah, I do circuits.
But I think there's a real value to doing a bunch of exercises that are standards, like straight leg deadlifts, clean and press.
tom segura
Do you start with swings?
joe rogan
I start with push-ups and bodyweight squats.
I start with cold plunge.
Every workout is 3 minutes, 34 degrees.
Boom!
Go from there.
20 bodyweight squats, 20 push-ups, 20 bodyweight squats, 20 push-ups.
You do 2 sets in a row so that you get 2 sets of legs, 2 sets of push-ups, so you get warm-up.
Then you do the final 3. You get to 100 push-ups, 100 bodyweight squats.
Then it's kettlebells.
And if I'm on a regular schedule, it's 70 pounds.
So I go to 70 pounds, 10 swings each arm.
3 sets, 10 presses each arm, 3 sets, 10 windmills each arm, 3 sets, 10 renegade rows each arm, 3 sets.
bert kreischer
Fuck renegade rows.
joe rogan
With 70 pounds at the end of that is rough.
Then you go to the sled.
Then you go to the sled.
And then it's the torque sled, pushing it, you're pushing it about 35 meters, and then you're pushing it and you're pulling it back.
And we do that, we'll do that for three sets.
bert kreischer
You work with someone?
joe rogan
No, I just do it in my head and then I have comics do it with me.
ari shaffir
Oh yeah, I've been there for those.
joe rogan
So then we go from there to Tabata's on the heavy bag.
Tabata's are 20-second sprint followed by 10-second rest.
So we do that and we blast out the end of the workout.
We put The Rock through this.
bert kreischer
Yeah.
joe rogan
And the end of the workout...
ari shaffir
You quit?
joe rogan
No!
The Rock is fucking...
He was cool, man.
He's humble.
He's not a kettlebell guy.
He had never done Cold Plunge before, before he did it with us.
bert kreischer
What?
joe rogan
Yeah, never done it.
So he's super humble.
Guys built like a fucking superhero, right?
But I think he's also doing a lot of stuff to increase the aesthetics.
So he's doing a lot of machines.
If you look at his Iron Paradise, that insane gym he has set up.
By the way, American flag, fucking prominently displayed.
When you look at that setup, that setup is perfect for a guy who wants to look like a superhero in a movie.
It's perfect.
But I'm concerned with, like, functional strength.
I'm concerned with, like, I want to be able to move my body like an athlete as long as I can.
And so we did a bunch of, like, wild shit that he had never done before.
bert kreischer
Really?
joe rogan
Yeah.
Windmills are hard, man.
bert kreischer
Windmills are really hard.
joe rogan
It's hard, you know?
But I've been doing that whole routine for so long that my body is, like...
Just fucking prying for it.
bert kreischer
Are you pretty much at that every morning?
Is that roughly where you're at?
joe rogan
That's one workout that I do twice a week.
bert kreischer
You know, a guy like me would love to get on Instagram in the morning.
joe rogan
Come work out with me.
bert kreischer
No, but I'd love to get on the morning in L.A. Buddy, I got a flight out at 8. Let's go.
joe rogan
Let's have a 5 a.m.
unidentified
workout.
bert kreischer
I texted you.
Buddy, you have no fucking idea.
I'll shoot my testosterone at fucking 4.30.
joe rogan
Let's do it.
No, 3.30.
You want to get a couple hours in it where it really gets into your system.
bert kreischer
I love getting information like that.
joe rogan
And then we'll cold plunge first.
Cold plunge first while it's dark out.
bert kreischer
With your big cock?
joe rogan
You'll hear...
It's not that big.
bert kreischer
It's regular.
Oh, buddy.
The video you showed of yourself getting the cold plunge the other day.
I had to stop myself from going, is anyone looking at his cock?
joe rogan
Only Bert.
Only Bert and a couple of chicks.
bert kreischer
They call me a hog watcher.
If you have a big talk, I'm going to notice.
joe rogan
There's something fun about getting in that cold when it's raining out.
bert kreischer
It was 32 when you got in that video.
joe rogan
No, it was 21. 21 outside and 34 inside.
tom segura
How much do you think it's worse?
What?
Getting in the cold when it's cold outside.
ari shaffir
Because it feels like you want a relief from something.
joe rogan
No, no, no.
ari shaffir
It's so much better after the sauna.
joe rogan
Yeah, yeah, yeah, for sure.
But it doesn't matter if it's hot out.
Once you get in, it's still fucking so cold.
bert kreischer
Do you do box breathing?
joe rogan
I just breathe.
I'm really accustomed to being in there now.
ari shaffir
I loved it.
joe rogan
So I can just sort of...
tom segura
Great.
ari shaffir
It's after those first 20 seconds, then it's like, just shut up and shut up.
joe rogan
Unless you use the Blue Cube.
The Blue Cube, there's an option to have it like a raging river.
And you never get what's called a thermal barrier.
ari shaffir
Oh, the bubble.
tom segura
Wow.
Yeah.
joe rogan
Wow.
Thermal barrier.
bert kreischer
You realize how in the weeds you are about cold plunging?
joe rogan
Yeah, I'm in the weeds.
If you want to be a guy who tortures yourself, Blue Cube is the way to go.
ari shaffir
I would love to open up Rogan's YouTube on his computer and just see what it's suggesting to him.
bert kreischer
I can't wait until North Korea finds his fucking phone.
joe rogan
By the amount of guns I research.
unidentified
And the amount of animal attacks.
bert kreischer
The polar plunge is badass, but do you do the light thing?
joe rogan
Yeah, I do that, red light therapy.
I do that every morning.
tom segura
Did you get that in bed?
joe rogan
Yeah, I got it.
ari shaffir
What's that?
joe rogan
Is it great?
Well, one of the things that's happening is as you get older, your face, your skin starts to get thinner because you have a lack of collagen, and you start looking like, ugh, it looks sick.
Even if you feel good, your skin has more laxity.
In the one and a half months that I've been using it, my skin looks better.
bert kreischer
What is it?
tom segura
It's red light therapy.
bert kreischer
Is it just like a thing?
joe rogan
We could talk about it, but I don't know what I'm saying, so I'd be bullshitting.
ari shaffir
It's something that shoots light at you?
joe rogan
Yeah, it helps your body produce marks sometimes.
bert kreischer
I do that for my head.
joe rogan
It helps you rehabilitate from injuries.
There's a lot of things.
I'm not the guy.
Do you still do Oxygen Chamber?
I have one of those.
bert kreischer
You do Hyperbaric?
joe rogan
Yeah, I have one of those.
bert kreischer
You have one?
joe rogan
Yeah.
bert kreischer
I want to do this so bad.
joe rogan
And I have a flotation tank.
I don't know which one is better for you, because both of them are really good for you.
The flotation tank, there's a reset that I think you can achieve from that.
It's just like doing psychedelics without any of the weird...
Fuckery of recovering and coming back to normal.
You get out of there and you're fine.
ari shaffir
You're out.
joe rogan
If you could take what you get from a sensory deprivation tank in a pill just as a drug, everybody would take it.
bert kreischer
It's called Xanax.
joe rogan
No.
It's the opposite.
I bet Xanax is awesome.
I think what that is is the opposite.
Instead of pretending your house isn't wrecked, that's like going in your house and examining all the cracks in your foundation.
bert kreischer
Oh, I had to jack off.
joe rogan
In a flotation tank?
bert kreischer
Uh, whatever.
Shout out to Kuya.
Anyway...
joe rogan
You jacked off in one of their...
bert kreischer
No, I didn't jack off in their fucking thing.
It's a joke.
unidentified
Yes, you did.
bert kreischer
It's a joke.
joe rogan
I feel like you did.
bert kreischer
I probably didn't.
joe rogan
Tom, you jerk off.
bert kreischer
I jerk off a lot.
joe rogan
How often are you jerking off?
bert kreischer
Not as much now.
Leanne's on testosterone, too.
I'm not supposed to share that.
joe rogan
You did.
bert kreischer
She won't let you jerk off?
She just went secret time.
She just went to...
joe rogan
Secret time for 11 million people.
Good luck.
unidentified
Careful.
joe rogan
You want to edit that out?
bert kreischer
Nope.
Nope.
unidentified
Wow.
bert kreischer
No, because I like what Ways to Well's doing.
I do.
joe rogan
Yeah, they're awesome.
bert kreischer
And they got her on testosterone and progesterone, and I'll share that.
And she's ready to fall.
Buddy.
unidentified
Buddy.
ari shaffir
Really?
joe rogan
Yeah.
ari shaffir
Cowboys?
bert kreischer
Man, after your apology.
unidentified
Save a horse?
bert kreischer
After your apology.
joe rogan
My wife's friend got on it.
Oh, really?
ari shaffir
I got you.
joe rogan
My wife's friend is English.
unidentified
Come on my leg.
bert kreischer
Come on my leg.
Go ahead.
joe rogan
My wife's friend is English.
bert kreischer
You're always making about you.
Go ahead, Joe.
joe rogan
My wife's friend is English, and she got on testosterone.
And she was telling my wife about it.
She goes, I feel like a bloke.
She was an English lady.
She goes, I feel like a bloke.
unidentified
That's so cute.
bert kreischer
Leanne wants to fuck all the time.
ari shaffir
Damn.
bert kreischer
And I'm telling you, it's Ways to Wellness.
I like it.
God bless Ways to Well.
joe rogan
Get them on it.
bert kreischer
She's on progesterone and testosterone.
I told it to Shane Torres, Shane Gillis, and he fucking could not stop making fun of it in the most hilarious way.
He's fucking so good.
But it's changed our relationship.
We're fucking nonstop.
joe rogan
Congratulations.
bert kreischer
I don't even, I can't even, I don't want to jump off.
joe rogan
What's that noise again?
unidentified
What?
tom segura
What?
joe rogan
Throw-up noise.
bert kreischer
Oh, no.
Oh, when Lane and I fuck?
joe rogan
Just joking.
bert kreischer
No, if you saw us fuck, I think you'd...
joe rogan
I would jack off in the corner?
bert kreischer
I don't think you would.
joe rogan
What would I do?
bert kreischer
You'd be a lot of like, what's Bert thinking about?
ari shaffir
You'd be that same face when you made...
joe rogan
Like, open your eyes, Bert.
She's getting confused.
tom segura
What's your favorite position, Bert?
ari shaffir
What's your favorite position, Bert?
bert kreischer
Doggy style.
ari shaffir
Good question.
joe rogan
I thought you were going to say pegged.
I'm so glad you didn't say pegged.
bert kreischer
No.
I like From Behind.
It's really fucking hot.
ari shaffir
That's a good one.
bert kreischer
I never was into asses.
unidentified
That's a good one.
bert kreischer
I was never into asses.
joe rogan
There's a whole category.
You were never into asses?
bert kreischer
No, I was a tick guy.
And I'm still a tick guy, but it's funny.
I look at her ass and it's perfect.
It's not like cellulady and it's just a big ass.
It's a big ass.
ari shaffir
Cellulady.
bert kreischer
Cellulady!
joe rogan
Cellulady?
That sounds like it should be a band.
That should be a fucking cool band, like Pussy Riot.
Cellulady.
bert kreischer
But I like Doggy Style's fucking hot.
It's so fucking hot.
I don't know if it's testosterone, but she's checked off barriers that were previously in our relationship.
joe rogan
Buttfucking.
bert kreischer
No, no, no.
We haven't had anal sex.
joe rogan
Congratulations.
bert kreischer
We haven't had anal sex.
tom segura
Do you want it?
bert kreischer
Yeah.
Yeah, obviously.
Hans Kim on...
No, no, your girl's podcast.
Kill Laura.
Kill Laura.
tom segura
Yeah, yeah, yeah.
bert kreischer
Laura Compton.
tom segura
First date, yeah, yeah.
joe rogan
Kill Laura?
unidentified
What?
bert kreischer
I don't know, buddy.
ari shaffir
Hans Kim.
joe rogan
What's the podcast called?
tom segura
First date.
joe rogan
First date.
Lauren Compton.
bert kreischer
He had a really funny...
tom segura
Lauren Compton, yeah.
joe rogan
Lauren Compton, sorry.
bert kreischer
Lauren Compton.
ari shaffir
You guys sure?
joe rogan
Yeah.
ari shaffir
Go ahead.
bert kreischer
He said, I do want to have it, only so I know where I stand with you.
That you'll let me do dirty shit to you.
Or something like that.
joe rogan
Oh, yeah.
tom segura
Hans said that?
bert kreischer
Yeah, Hans said that.
Something similar.
joe rogan
Sounds like a guy who shouldn't be allowed to have a gun.
tom segura
Let's see where I stand.
bert kreischer
Yeah.
I fucked it up.
Sorry, Hans.
I fucked it up.
But it was very funny.
ari shaffir
Hans is funny as shit.
tom segura
I can't stop thinking about, I know this is a weird transition, but that six hour MPX that Taron has.
joe rogan
Good gun.
tom segura
I want to get one of those.
bert kreischer
Wait, what's this?
joe rogan
I'll get you one.
tom segura
Really?
joe rogan
Yeah.
bert kreischer
Wait, are we telling us things we can't stop thinking about?
tom segura
I keep thinking about that.
I've been thinking about that gun for two years.
bert kreischer
Can I tell you what I can't stop thinking about?
Can I stop telling you what I can't stop thinking about?
unidentified
Yeah.
Did you mention to Snoop that you knew me?
joe rogan
I gotta pee.
tom segura
That's what you wanted to know?
bert kreischer
I have to know.
joe rogan
Oh my gosh.
tom segura
No, but I'll tell you why.
bert kreischer
You motherfucker!
tom segura
I'll tell you why, though.
bert kreischer
You didn't bring my name up?
tom segura
I'll tell you why.
ari shaffir
Why?
tom segura
It wasn't a...
ari shaffir
He didn't want to own up to you.
tom segura
No, no.
It wasn't a long conversation.
bert kreischer
Oh, okay.
tom segura
And it wasn't like...
It wasn't settling in to talk.
It was...
The first time I met him, I met him for three seconds.
bert kreischer
Yeah.
tom segura
And I thought that was it.
And at the end of the night, when I went in there, I had major hesitation about walking into his dressing room with his bodyguards and everything around.
And I just went in to say, it was fun to be on the show with you.
And I thought it was that.
And he asked for a pic.
It was very, very fast.
It wasn't long.
ari shaffir
I went to see Danny Brown.
tom segura
If I had stayed to talk, if he was like, pull up a seat.
bert kreischer
Yeah.
tom segura
It would have been something.
ari shaffir
I want to see Danny Brown and rap's just not my genre like it is yours.
unidentified
Yeah.
ari shaffir
He's cool.
We've become friendly.
tom segura
Danny's fantastic.
ari shaffir
I brought Daniel Simonson.
That's his number one guy.
tom segura
Really?
ari shaffir
What?
Simonson's like, what do you mean?
I was like, sure.
And we're having a conversation.
Oh, cool.
What about the weather?
I don't know, whatever.
And I look over and Daniel's just like...
unidentified
Really?
bert kreischer
Yeah.
ari shaffir
Really?
He's trying to be cool.
tom segura
I was trying to navigate...
The conversation without looking like...
bert kreischer
You realize I would have been like, if you had worked with him for a year, I would have walked in and been like, I know Tom Segura.
tom segura
I just...
bert kreischer
That's so who I am.
tom segura
Yeah, but I was...
I mean, here's the thing.
You say that, like, because you were in my mind, and the fact that you guys worked together was a natural thing to bring up.
But it was also, I think, when you're sometimes in those situations, you're like, when's the time to say this?
You're kind of nervous about how you say it, and you're looking for the end to say it.
So if I had talked to him for longer, it would have been a normal thing to bring up.
bert kreischer
Cheers, I love drinking with you.
tom segura
Okay, I love drinking with you too.
bert kreischer
And I'm Ari.
tom segura
Oh, Ari, you're so gay.
You're not drinking?
ari shaffir
Yeah, I got another week.
tom segura
Yeah, that little dog.
ari shaffir
Oh, it's so fucking cute.
tom segura
The cutest thing I've ever seen.
ari shaffir
It's so fucking cute.
I just swallow his face.
bert kreischer
Hey, Joe, can I ask you a question?
unidentified
Sure.
bert kreischer
So when you watched Conor McGregor and Nate Diaz fight, did you want one of them to win?
joe rogan
No.
ari shaffir
This is where we started.
joe rogan
The main problem I had during commentary was Schaub.
That was the only problem I really ever had.
There's a lot of guys I love.
I love Donald Cowboy Cerrone.
I fucking love that dude.
I love him.
I wish there was more men like that in this world.
I love him to death.
But when he's fighting Conor McGregor, I can't have a favorite.
I just have to let it happen.
These guys, they're all professionals.
unidentified
How do you do that, though?
bert kreischer
It's impossible.
No, I do it.
unidentified
I do it.
joe rogan
I do it.
I swear to God, I do it.
Even when Sean Strickland fought Israel Adesanya, Izzy's my friend.
I love Izzy.
Izzy's the motherfucker.
He's the shit.
bert kreischer
He's the motherfucker.
joe rogan
He defended me when that whole N-word video came out.
Dude, that made me tear up.
tom segura
Yeah.
joe rogan
I love that dude.
tom segura
By the way, as a personal favorite, 100% he's my personal favorite.
joe rogan
As a human being, he's one of my favorite people that I've ever met.
He's an extraordinary human being.
tom segura
So fun.
joe rogan
But when he fought Sean Strickland, I have to be neutral.
I have to be like, whoa, what's happening?
unidentified
Well, that's the job.
tom segura
You can't be like that.
joe rogan
It's the job.
But that was during Fight Companion.
That was during Fight Companion.
unidentified
Oh, right.
joe rogan
Yeah, so I wasn't even working.
I was just hanging out here watching the fight.
b-real
I still have to be neutral.
joe rogan
I have to be.
I have to have a neutral mindset when I'm watching people fight.
No, no, no, no.
When people are fighting, that's just like from my own mind.
I don't allow my mind to go into this avenue where...
I want someone to win and someone to lose, because you'll get a biased perspective.
And I know I've been guilty of that in the past, when I was in the early days of my commentary.
And I realized, that's a flaw.
It's a flaw.
Like, I have friends that fight, and I love them to death, and I want them to win.
But if they don't win, I can't be attached to that.
I have to be attached as a person who's appreciating the sport.
I'll check in on them.
How you doing?
You alright?
Yeah, yeah.
The reality of what they're doing is I have to be a clear, objective viewer of the transaction.
Who's winning the exchange?
ari shaffir
When I'm hearing MMA commentary, I definitely want what you're saying.
When I hear football or sports commentary, I want to hear the Yankees go, come on!
joe rogan
You can't let that out.
Yeah, but the thing is there's a giant difference between a sport and a fight.
A fight, you're exposing a man's soul, and you've got to be respectful of that.
You're exposing everything about what he's capable of.
They're fighting to the death.
They're just not letting them finish it.
That's what that is.
tom segura
That's true.
That's true.
I think, by the way, that Kirk Herbstreet does that so well.
ari shaffir
What?
tom segura
He's an Ohio State graduate.
Like, he played there.
And he commentates on all the biggest games.
And he can commentate on an Ohio State game.
ari shaffir
Be neutral?
tom segura
In my opinion, yes.
ari shaffir
Oh, see, I want somebody.
I would turn the Redskins games on mute and let the radio, like the hometown radio guys.
tom segura
Yeah, I think he's very good at it.
Sweet.
bert kreischer
Sweet.
My favorite.
Nate Diaz clip ever, ever, is the coolest thing, especially if you've ever been bullied.
Do you ever see Nate Diaz when they go, hey, were you ever bullied as a kid?
And he just looks and he goes, no, I had a big brother.
And you're like, and your heart swells and you go, fuck!
Yes, Stockton.
joe rogan
And his big brother was Nick Diaz.
bert kreischer
Nick Diaz.
Nick fucking Diaz.
joe rogan
Nick Diaz is one of the all-time greats.
tom segura
I have to ask this.
unidentified
Is everyone's story broke?
That never happened to you.
And I have a big brother, man.
bert kreischer
In fact, his big brother.
joe rogan
And his big brother's a savage.
A real legit savage.
I remember when Nick Diaz fought Robbie Lawler.
Robbie Lawler was the man.
He was like 20 years old.
He was an assassin just smashing people.
And Nick Diaz went into the octagon.
And as he walked into the octagon, he was like stomping on the floor.
What part of California is he in front again?
bert kreischer
Stockton.
joe rogan
Stockton.
bert kreischer
Are you serious?
joe rogan
Yeah, I forgot for a second.
tom segura
The worst.
joe rogan
And he was yelling out, Stockton.
Stockton, motherfucker, Stockton.
bert kreischer
I love it.
joe rogan
And I was like, what is going on here?
I was confused.
Like, as a commentator, I'm like, what's happening here?
He's like, Stockton, motherfucker, Stockton.
I can't believe I forgot Stockton.
bert kreischer
You're the one that brought it up, the only reason I know that- I haven't eaten today.
Oh, okay.
joe rogan
All I've had is alcohol.
tom segura
Really?
unidentified
Yeah.
joe rogan
I had a fucking rib eye.
I was up late at night.
I wrote late at night till four in the morning.
Oh, fuck.
Got up, got in the cold, did my workout.
bert kreischer
Go back to the story.
Stockton, motherfucker.
joe rogan
So he yells out, Stockton, motherfucker!
Stockton!
And you see Robbie Lauer going, what is that?
ari shaffir
I don't know what that means.
joe rogan
And when we thought Nick could beat him, like we knew Nick was a jiu-jitsu guy, but he beat him with boxing.
He knocked him out.
He knocked out Robbie Lawler.
When he hit him on the right hook and Robbie dropped like face plants, we're like, what?
It was nonsense.
Like, no way.
Somebody bullied ruthless Robbie Lawler.
I mean, Robbie was an animal.
Robbie was throwing back, but Nick was just...
You gotta understand that that talking shit is a 100% legit psychological tactic.
It fucks with your mind and impedes your performance 100%.
He's a brilliant move.
tom segura
He's in all sports, too.
In all high-level sports.
joe rogan
It is.
And in fighting, I think he did it better than anybody in the beginning.
Nobody did it better in fight.
He would talk so much shit to them.
Frank Shamrock said that he couldn't believe it was happening to him.
Go to Nick Diaz versus Frank Shamrock.
bert kreischer
I want to see it too.
Okay.
Nate's the one that flicked off the cameras, right?
ari shaffir
Yeah.
joe rogan
He stunned him with the one-two.
Yeah, but Nick was better.
All due respect to Nate.
Nate will tell you that Nick is better than Nate.
ari shaffir
Just weed killed Nate.
joe rogan
No, man.
ari shaffir
I thought he stopped fighting because he wouldn't get tested.
joe rogan
No, no, no, no, no.
Nobody got killed because of weed.
ari shaffir
I thought he stopped fighting because he was like, I'm not cleaning up.
unidentified
Nick?
ari shaffir
Yeah.
joe rogan
No, no.
There's no testing now in the UFC. Now?
He's just had some real injuries, man.
You've got to go to Nick Diaz, like right there, boom, faceplant.
You've got to go to Nick Diaz in Strikeforce.
If you want to see Nick Diaz at the elite of the elite level, where he achieved real true greatness.
By the time he got to the UFC, he was still great.
When he fought Gomi in Pride, he was still great.
An elite athlete in combat sports has a small window of time Where they can perform at their best level.
And when Nick Diaz was in Strikeforce, when he was the champ, he was fucking everybody up.
He would just walk you down and beat your ass, and if you went to the ground, he would fucking strangle you 100% of the time.
He beat everybody's asses.
The thing is, like, he would let guys take him down, like, shut up, you can't knock me out.
Like, you never knocked him out.
No one knocked him out.
He always survived.
He always figured out a way to turn into a grappling exchange, and then slowly but surely he would beat you out.
Nick Diaz swam from Alcatraz five times.
unidentified
Five times.
joe rogan
Might be more.
Nick, I'm sorry if it's more since then.
It's probably more since then.
He beat everybody down.
Beat everybody down.
Eventually you just withered and he never got tired and he just kept putting on you and at the end of the fight it was always like this.
He was basically hitting a fucking punching bag.
A person who couldn't believe the amount of pressure that Nick Diaz put on them.
Just beating the fuck out of them with not even breathing heavy.
bert kreischer
He did not stop.
He did not stop.
joe rogan
And you're standing on top of him like, what?
That's it.
That's over.
I want you to go to Nick Diaz versus Frank Shamrock.
Because Frank Shamrock was a legend.
Hardcore.
He was a UFC champion.
He was the first complete mixed martial artist.
He could wrestle.
He could submit you.
He could do anything.
And Nick Diaz the entire time was like, what, bitch?
What, bitch?
What are you going to do, bitch?
He was just constantly talking to him.
And Frank was like, I couldn't believe he was talking to me.
tom segura
He's talking right now.
joe rogan
Yeah, always.
Give me some volume.
See if you can hear it.
unidentified
Love him or hate him, I think he's tremendous for the sport.
You need these kinds of characters in mixed martial arts.
I think they both like talking.
Frank's trying to focus right now, though, you can tell.
Frank using that straight right hand of the body.
joe rogan
And the thing is, he's just touching you.
He's hitting you with, like, 50%, 60%.
But he's so relaxed.
Look how relaxed his style is.
He's not getting tired.
Look how easy he's hitting him.
ari shaffir
Why?
joe rogan
Because he's just wearing him out.
He's cooking his food.
tom segura
And he's holding back.
ari shaffir
Yeah.
joe rogan
Oh, no, Nick is 100% holding back.
Look how he's punching him.
He's not punching him full force at all.
ari shaffir
He's just piecing him up.
joe rogan
Yeah.
See, the thing is, if you can fight at that style, where you're just 50%-ing guys, you don't get tired.
And if you can do 20 punches at 50%, it's almost as good as 50 punches at 100%.
Yeah.
Or rather, 10 punches at 100%.
It's like, if you cut it in half, the volume also keeps you from being able to take a good breath.
ari shaffir
Oh, right.
joe rogan
The guy's on you all the time.
You never get a breather.
Frank's not getting any breathers.
And Nick's not tired.
Look, he's just piecing them.
Look, even that kick, there's no real power in it.
Everything is just touching you, touching you, until he starts to really see you wilt.
And look at him.
Look at him.
Look at his stomach.
Look at his stomach.
There's no breathing heavy at all.
He's probably at 120 beats a minute right now.
tom segura
That's insane.
joe rogan
This is a fucking guy who runs triathlons.
So he can stand in front of you and you are fucking cooked.
So he's cooking his chicken right now.
He's got his chicken on the frying pan right now.
unidentified
He's cooking chicken breasts.
joe rogan
He's just piecing him up.
And look, not tired, not exhausted, not hitting him.
There's a dig.
That's a dig.
First dig.
That right hand of the body he dug into.
bert kreischer
So right now he's 100% going after it.
joe rogan
Yeah, now he's going after it.
See the difference?
Look, these punches have a lot more fury behind them, right?
Because he's ending the fight.
Frank's already at 180 beats a minute.
He's wilting.
And he's beating the fuck out of him.
And then he helps him out.
He goes, you're a legend.
Get up.
He said that, you're a legend, get up.
And he holds his hand up.
Because that's how he feels about him.
That's legitimately how he feels about him.
bert kreischer
Is there anyone better than Diaz brothers?
unidentified
Yeah.
ari shaffir
Brothers?
bert kreischer
No, the brothers, man.
That legend.
joe rogan
Look, there's a lot of others.
bert kreischer
Are they better than Peyton Manning and Archie Manning?
ari shaffir
Eli Manning?
bert kreischer
Yeah, Eli Manning?
ari shaffir
Yeah, of course.
All sports are saying.
bert kreischer
Yeah, like the brothers.
ari shaffir
No, Peyton and Eli are better.
bert kreischer
I don't know, man.
ari shaffir
World titles.
Yeah.
MVP's.
tom segura
Multiple rings.
ari shaffir
Yeah.
bert kreischer
I don't know.
ari shaffir
Yeah.
joe rogan
Yeah, Nate's biggest win, that's his big win.
tom segura
You said, though, that elite guys, when they get in there, they do most of the fight at like 60%, 70%, right?
joe rogan
That's one of the reasons why Max Holloway stopped sparring.
Max decided at one point in time that he sparred enough and he understands it.
He just does drills and trains and does a bunch of strength and conditioning work.
And when he goes into a fight, he hasn't been hit in a long time.
And that's his philosophy.
But he's also a world champion at the top of, you know, there's a top five pound for pound.
Max Holloway should be in there.
He's one of the greatest of all time.
tom segura
That's the thing, if you're amateur, you always start going like, I'm going 100%, dude.
joe rogan
Yeah.
tom segura
Like, you know, you step in, whether you're doing jujitsu or you're boxing or something, you're just like, I'm going to go all out.
And then you realize this is not sustainable.
ari shaffir
It's not sustainable.
tom segura
Right?
But those elite guys are like, oh, you got to make this shit last.
joe rogan
Well, Nick Diaz was the best at that.
Because he understood endurance from the perspective of someone who swam from Alcatraz, someone who does triathlons.
When you do triathlons, you're fucking swimming, you're running, and you're biking.
There's three different things you're doing.
All of them are exhausting.
And any one of them, when it's over, it should be over.
Like, wow, what a workout.
But then you've got another one.
And then after that, you've got another one!
ari shaffir
He takes a tourist boat out there and is like, I'll catch up with you guys.
joe rogan
No, no, no.
They do that specifically.
Endurance athletes do it.
They swim back from Alcatraz.
Because if you don't make it to the shore, you're dead.
And there's also Great Whites.
They nest out there.
They nest.
San Francisco, that area out there is famous for the population of Great Whites.
ari shaffir
You can't outstrike the Great Whites.
joe rogan
No, you're dead.
ari shaffir
That's like, what are you doing?
tom segura
So there's like a follow boat?
I don't even know how they did it.
joe rogan
Either way, he made it all the way five times.
bert kreischer
Not that a follow boat is going to help you.
tom segura
How far are you swimming when you do that?
ari shaffir
I just was there.
unidentified
It's too far.
joe rogan
It's more than a mile.
bert kreischer
No, no.
If I'm not mistaken.
ari shaffir
Current, though.
bert kreischer
Well, they time it out with a current.
They don't go in an outgoing time.
joe rogan
But the distance, just the distance as the crow flies.
What's the distance between Alcatraz and the short?
bert kreischer
It's got to be at least two miles?
joe rogan
No.
bert kreischer
It's got to be at least a mile.
joe rogan
He says, I have done Alcatraz five times.
So during the Conor McGregor, Rafael Dos Anjos, anyway, during one of the fights, I said that he did it twice, and he corrected me.
He corrected me and he said he did it five times.
tom segura
How far is the distance?
joe rogan
But this is, by the way, 2016. He's probably done it five times since then.
bert kreischer
Of course.
joe rogan
He's a fucking psycho.
tom segura
This is a story, like, I remember how hot this story was.
joe rogan
What's the distance between Alcatraz?
bert kreischer
It's got to be at least, I'm just telling you on triathlons, it's got to be a mile.
joe rogan
Yeah, I think it's more than a mile.
bert kreischer
I know it is, but I'm just saying, to be safe, it's over a fucking mile.
tom segura
Whatever, like, what happened with the Kane story?
bert kreischer
Cain Velasquez?
joe rogan
Cain, he hasn't been convicted in 1.25 miles.
Okay.
tom segura
It's a long swim, dude.
joe rogan
It's a long swim.
Cain has not been convicted.
tom segura
He's still locked up?
joe rogan
No, he's free.
They released him on bail.
bert kreischer
Can I ask you to pause for a second?
Is Cain Velasquez the guy in Hawaii whose son...
joe rogan
No.
He's a guy in Northern California whose son was molested by someone who was running the daycare center.
bert kreischer
Same, same.
I thought it was Hawaii.
joe rogan
He's from AKA. He's one of the greatest heavyweights of all time.
In his prime, maybe the best.
And he found out that his son had been molested by a daycare worker.
And he went after that guy and drove his car in a rage and shot a gun at him.
And they arrested him.
They kept him in jail for a long time.
And they finally let him out on bond.
And now he's coaching at AKA. And I don't know what the status of his case is.
But Kane is an exceptional human being.
tom segura
Totally.
joe rogan
He's an amazing human being.
tom segura
I feel like that was a story where like...
joe rogan
Every dad who heard that was like, I fucking get it.
ari shaffir
I get it 100%.
joe rogan
The guy who did that is out.
ari shaffir
What?
joe rogan
Yeah, the guy who did that is out on bail.
So he's out.
And Cain was in jail at the same time.
It's one of the most terrifying...
Situations a father could ever find themselves in and not just know that that guy is out But that you're in prison and that your wife is home with your children and this guy who has already targeted your kid Who knows how fucking sick he is he might try to target him again while you were in jail because You're you're and you might be in jail forever.
Who knows you might be in jail for 30 years.
Who knows?
It's attempted murder.
He was shooting a gun at the guy allegedly You know, but I'm on Team Cain all day.
bert kreischer
Does he have a GoFundMe?
ari shaffir
Does he have a GoFundMe?
joe rogan
I don't know, but if he is, I'm donating.
bert kreischer
Can you find out if there's a GoFundMe?
joe rogan
I'm on Team Cain all day.
ari shaffir
We just strangle him next time.
joe rogan
Every person in this room except Ari who has a kid, but even Ari for his dog.
ari shaffir
No, I'm totally on board.
joe rogan
Strangle him.
Don't give him the chance.
But there's a feeling when you have kids, man, there's a fucking protection feeling.
Jim Brewer said it to me.
unidentified
He goes, I never understood murder.
joe rogan
He goes, now I get murder.
He goes, I had murder for my kids.
tom segura
Yeah.
joe rogan
GoFundMe shut down.
What?
GoFundMe shuts down Cain Velasquez fundraiser says donors issued refunds.
Oh my God.
ari shaffir
Oh, they shut it down.
joe rogan
Violation of terms of service.
What's your terms of service?
Legal defense of a violent crime.
Oh, okay.
tom segura
Prohibits raising money for the legal defense, yeah.
ari shaffir
So Hurricane, you couldn't raise money for Hurricane?
joe rogan
No, it's not a violent crime.
ari shaffir
What do you mean?
joe rogan
It's between human beings.
ari shaffir
What?
jamie vernon
The fact of God.
joe rogan
Hurricane?
unidentified
No, no, no.
joe rogan
You mean Ruben Hurricane Carter?
ari shaffir
Yeah.
Oh, you couldn't have his defense?
joe rogan
Okay, I'm glad.
You know, I just added Bob Dylan's Hurricane to my Spotify Green Room playlist, which will now be available.
bert kreischer
Hardcore N-word used in that song.
joe rogan
I knew you were saying Hurricane.
bert kreischer
Is it?
Yeah, of course.
joe rogan
That hurricane story is complicated.
ari shaffir
Yeah, but so you couldn't raise money for that defense with the new GoFundMe rules?
joe rogan
Yeah, but that story is complicated.
Whether or not that person was guilty or not is complicated.
bert kreischer
The hurricane story?
joe rogan
Yeah.
It's a little complicated.
And the version in the movie is 100% horse shit.
The version in the movie of the guy who's targeting him, horse shit.
ari shaffir
In the movies, they always do that with Fruitvale Station.
They can't make him a drug dealer, so he's like, here, take on my weed.
I'm done.
And it's like, you can be a drug dealer and not deserve to get shot.
joe rogan
Yeah, well, also, when drugs are legal and some drugs will get you put in a cage, and the people that own the patents to those drugs are funding politicians, it's like, what?
unidentified
What?
ari shaffir
Yeah.
joe rogan
You know, you just don't want entrepreneurs.
You don't want drug dealers on a street level.
There's drug dealers everywhere.
Every time you go to Walgreens, there's a fucking plexiglass wall behind you and the drug dealer.
tom segura
True.
joe rogan
They're filled with people's stuff.
ari shaffir
Me and Kevin Iser were driving through Arizona, and we passed by some prisons, and we were just looking them up.
They all renamed, rebranded, and we were like, they made, since 85, 86, they made $2 billion.
And if you told them, hey, one of your big funding things is weed arrests, we're going to make that not a problem.
They're going to go full on.
I'm like, make that illegal.
joe rogan
Keep that illegal.
Well, you know that prison guard unions lobby to keep marijuana from being decomposed.
ari shaffir
You're taking away a quarter of our business.
tom segura
Just to keep them employed, basically.
joe rogan
Yeah, because it's like if you're a business person, that's what you're supposed to do.
If you have shareholders, if you have union members, you're not supposed to do it morally.
You're supposed to do it like what's the benefit of this group of people that I represent.
bert kreischer
That's what's dirty about corporations.
To not do that?
What's the family that Jelly Roll just talked about at Congress?
ari shaffir
The Bilderbergs?
joe rogan
No, the Clintons.
bert kreischer
No, but he talked about a family that did all opioids.
joe rogan
The Sackler family.
bert kreischer
I'm just saying, be fair.
ari shaffir
Well, the kids are saying, let's get out of this.
bert kreischer
Could you walk away from millions?
joe rogan
Who?
bert kreischer
You, as a person.
ari shaffir
You like to say you could.
unidentified
I like to say I could, but I'm just saying I can't.
joe rogan
If you were in the family, the Sackler family, and all that shit was going down, do you think you would have kept your mouth shut?
unidentified
Yeah.
joe rogan
If you knew that everybody was dying.
bert kreischer
Yeah.
ari shaffir
You justified to yourself.
bert kreischer
Everyone would.
You're lying.
ari shaffir
I think Facebook started nice.
bert kreischer
If you're on a yacht in fucking Mykonos.
unidentified
No.
joe rogan
This is what I believe.
ari shaffir
I think Facebook started nice and it was all friendly.
unidentified
It's super nice.
ari shaffir
And then once Zuckerberg realized, oh, people are turning on each other hard for your thing, he's like, keep it running.
Just keep it running.
We got a machine here.
bert kreischer
Buddy, it's so hard to walk away from money.
Not everyone has a sweet thing in life.
joe rogan
How much money are we talking about?
You're willing to let people die for this money?
bert kreischer
I'm just saying I'm not better than the average person.
joe rogan
You know what I want to stop you right here, what you're saying?
This is what I want to stop you.
You're you.
And those people that work for the Sacklers are a different thing.
If you take flour and sugar and chocolate and you mix it up and you make it a fucking cake, that's how you make a cake.
If you want to make sourdough bread, you need different ingredients.
If you want to make a really nice guy who's a good dad and a good husband and a funny guy and does a tour and does stand-up comedy, you go through your life.
ari shaffir
I disagree.
joe rogan
And you make Bert Kreiser.
You make you.
If you want to make a Sackler, you have to have disconnected parents.
You have to have this weird privilege of insane financial wealth.
You have to have a pharmaceutical gigantic company that's been bribing politicians and manipulating narratives and shaping the public's view of pharmaceutical drugs All for money.
unidentified
But this is the environment that you grow up in.
joe rogan
You're a different thing.
You're a different thing.
You, right now, would pass up on the money.
bert kreischer
I have money right now, but I'm saying...
joe rogan
No, I'm saying if you got a fucking phone call and the Sackler said, this is going to sound crazy, but it turns out you're a part of the fucking Sackler family.
And you have a seat on the board, and you can come in, and we didn't know, but you're a part of the family, and we have to give you a piece, and you've got to come in.
You're worth $10 billion now.
ari shaffir
No, that's different.
That's inheriting it.
What if you're a comedy?
What if something you do now, you realize...
joe rogan
No, but the Sackler family inherited their wealth, Ari.
That's why this is valid.
He didn't.
He built up his life.
That's why he wouldn't do it now.
You would do it if you were trapped in that environment.
ari shaffir
If you were trapped in that environment, your crime life was damaging people.
joe rogan
That's what determinism is.
The idea behind it is you're shaped by all the different circumstances you encounter.
And to compare your circumstances to another circumstances are crazy.
They don't make any sense.
bert kreischer
But I'm wondering, just argument's sake, if they had said to me at a young age, you know, get out of comedy, the Sacklers have this thing called OxyContin.
And it's really helping with cancer.
Because that's how you get into it, right?
joe rogan
Yeah, but for sure you would have got out at an early age.
It's like if someone gave you a lottery ticket.
If you got a lottery ticket and you won $100 million, it would probably ruin your career when you were 21. A thousand percent.
A hundred percent.
bert kreischer
At 21, it would have.
ari shaffir
But you wouldn't have gotten out of it.
You would have taken it.
joe rogan
No, you would have taken the money and you would have become a loser.
ari shaffir
No, I'm saying you wouldn't have gotten out of the money.
joe rogan
No, you would have taken the money.
If you don't have any money, when you get money, it is the panacea.
It is the elixir.
It is the thing that exists that you didn't think was possible.
Now, all of a sudden, you're not worrying about bills, which is 35% of everybody's fucking stress.
ari shaffir
Those wardens, those prisons, they're convincing themselves, no, no, these are dangerous drug addicts.
We can't have them on the street.
They're convincing themselves, not lying.
They're like lying to themselves.
joe rogan
Yeah, but you don't even have to convince yourself, man.
That's a human dynamic that was exposed in the Stanford prison experiments.
If you get people and they have power over other people, they start abusing them.
Almost instantly.
Especially if somebody tells you to do it.
bert kreischer
But at the same time, it's like...
joe rogan
No, they're not totally debunked, Ari.
At the end of it, these people decided that they wanted to get out of it, and they got out of it.
But the reality is, the way they behaved with each other was documented.
ari shaffir
It was like leading them.
joe rogan
Yeah, but you couldn't lead me to do that.
I don't know.
bert kreischer
See, that's my problem.
ari shaffir
You couldn't right now, but you could if I was 20. It was like they weren't really convinced, and they were like, push harder, go.
And it's like, okay.
They weren't convinced they were actually doing it.
joe rogan
There's been a lot of weird things about people in power, and one of the weirdest ones is there was people that were administrating electrical shock To a person.
And they were told to do it by someone else, so they did it.
And it got to the point where they thought the person might be dying.
And some people kept doing it, and some people did not.
And there is a power dynamic that I think allows people to torture people, it allows people to kill people, whatever the fuck you are.
If you're an Israeli, a Palestinian, If you're a Palestinian Israeli, you can kill someone, they're not even a human, that is the other.
There's a fucking programming that exists in our mind because of all the tribal warfare human beings have gone through over hundreds of thousands of years.
When the time we were prehistoric humans, the time we were fucking modern humans, we have been killing each other for so fucking long that we have a program in us where it's easy to other people.
That's how the Holocaust happened.
That's how what's happening in Ukraine is happening.
What's happening in Israel is happening.
You can decide that someone is something other than a human being.
And they can get you to do that pretty fucking quickly.
If they tap into that mindset, they tap into that programming, they can give you a button.
They go, hit him.
But he said he's dying.
Hit him.
tom segura
Hit him.
And they would hear the scream.
They would have them scream.
bert kreischer
I have to say this with love.
Tom's dad was in the Vietnam War.
I don't think Tom's dad was a guy that wanted to ever kill anyone, but he had to in that programming.
The thing I think is there's a disconnect with where we as Americans look at things on social media and we think we're not that Karen.
We're not that person.
We'd never do it.
But until you're in that moment, you don't know.
You really don't know.
ari shaffir
There's a lot of normal GIs in Vietnam that were raping fucking villagers.
bert kreischer
Probably.
ari shaffir
They didn't go in as monsters.
bert kreischer
If you can't connect to the fact that that's in you, that's in you, then I think you're lying.
ari shaffir
It's a possibility.
tom segura
When you go into that, when you show up, you don't just go...
The training...
You do get trained to be a killer.
That whole speech of like, they are training you to see the enemy as the enemy and somebody you have to kill, right?
So it's not day one.
You're prepared over a series of months.
And it's a version of a brainwashing.
They brainwash you to become a killer.
ari shaffir
Like, this is good.
Do it.
joe rogan
But there's a pattern that you can follow in your head where you can destroy another human being.
tom segura
A thousand percent.
joe rogan
You know, and that's what Customato taught Mike Tyson.
He taught Mike Tyson that through hypnosis.
He taught him the most effective way to think and to view you don't exist.
He was telling them you're just, the task is the only thing that's important.
You don't exist.
Just the task of smashing this person is all that it is.
And if you can think like that, that alleviates so much brain power.
ari shaffir
Wow.
tom segura
Alleviates the guilt.
joe rogan
And if you tell that to a soldier, you can get them to do some wild shit.
tom segura
And they did.
joe rogan
And they do.
bert kreischer
Your dad talked to you about that.
tom segura
Yeah.
In later years, yeah.
bert kreischer
I'm curious.
I would love to hear the insight your dad had about that.
As a son, hearing a dad going like, yeah, I just had to kill people.
My dad's never killed anyone.
But he had asthma.
But I'm curious because we're talking about this.
What was that?
As a son hearing the rationale, you have to accept it.
You have to figure it out.
tom segura
Yeah, and he was a great dad and he was a really kind, loving guy.
But, I mean, first of all, he loved the Marine Corps.
He loved the Marine Corps.
joe rogan
Well, I would imagine the bonds you make when you're literally fighting for life and death.
tom segura
And he's a lieutenant, so he has a platoon of 70 men under his command.
So you feel also the responsibility.
And he told me right before he died, in the last year of his life, that he thought about the men who died in his platoon every day.
And he'd never told me that before.
I was like, what?
He goes, every day.
I think about those guys that I lost.
Because I had no idea.
He never spoke about it.
And he would tell me stories about different guys dying next to him, stepping on a mine next to him, exploding three feet from him, getting shot.
The worst one, he said, was a guy that, to watch movies back then, you'd have to go to a base, get a film canister, and bring it back.
And in a monsoon season, one of those guys went to get films just for entertainment.
And he drowned in a monsoon on the way back.
ari shaffir
What?
tom segura
So it felt like a more meaningless death.
It wasn't in combat.
unidentified
Right.
tom segura
Things like that.
He would talk about that.
And then...
Also, they do become...
Jesus.
They do get this disconnect if you're in combat.
Like, it's not like you talking about, could you kill someone?
It's like...
You're in a world of killing.
That's all that's happening around you.
joe rogan
It's not could you.
You have to.
tom segura
You have to.
And so then he was just like, yeah.
That's when he started telling me.
Because I asked him as a kid.
I ended up doing a bit about it.
But I used to ask him as a kid.
Because you see wars.
You see wars.
And you're like, you see movies, and you're like, did you do that?
And as a kid, you're not going to tell the kids.
He was like, no, it didn't work like that.
I was in charge.
I was a lieutenant.
And then later years, he's like, well, I threw grenades in the bunkers.
And I was like, were there people in the bunkers?
And he was like, yeah.
ari shaffir
Otherwise, why waste a grenade?
tom segura
Yeah.
And he's like, oh, yeah.
And then he also said, I mean, it became like this joke, but it was true.
He said, you know, there's no better feeling than killing the enemy, right?
Like in combat.
Because they're all trying to kill the people around you.
And they are killing people around you.
So yeah, he said, you know, he said they would pull bodies out of these holes.
The Vietnamese were small people, stature-wise.
So they would hide in holes a lot of times.
Like holes in the ground.
And they would throw grenades into there.
And then when they'd pull them out, they'd be in half.
So they'd pull like a torso out.
But he also said, you know, Losing men left and right, like in your platoon.
I mean, it's devastating to you.
It's like the person you bonded with in basic training.
joe rogan
You're over there for a lie.
tom segura
I think that's a part that a lot of people don't ever reconcile with.
joe rogan
That's got to be the hardest.
You're over there committing atrocities for a lie.
There's no reason for you to be there.
ari shaffir
Like they're not here.
You're over there.
joe rogan
The Gulf of Tonkin incident wasn't real.
tom segura
The Gulf of Tonkin, too, is something that even active-duty people at the time didn't realize until 20, 30 years.
You know what I mean?
joe rogan
Well, that's Smedley Butler, The War is a Racket.
That's his whole article that he wrote from 1933. You know, very established general.
At the end of his career, he writes what he was really doing, what he thought he was doing.
It was really just like making things safe for bankers.
ari shaffir
Wow.
joe rogan
Controlling resources.
This is 33. Wow.
It's called War is a Racket.
tom segura
Really?
ari shaffir
Making things safe for bankers.
I think you've talked about that before.
joe rogan
I've talked about it every time I can because people need to understand these patterns.
They're repeating themselves forever because they're a part of human behavior patterns.
These natural patterns that exist in order to enable us to survive.
To survive, you have to conquer your enemies, control resources, establish safe grounds, and that stuff can get out of hand if that's your whole business.
If that's your whole business, you've been doing that forever, then you find reasons to go to war.
tom segura
That war machine.
joe rogan
The war machine.
Eisenhower talked about at the end of his presidential term.
ari shaffir
That's how you get to Hillary Clinton.
It's still...
bert kreischer
Wait, is your dad still alive?
ari shaffir
Yeah.
bert kreischer
Is your dad still alive?
unidentified
Yeah, allegedly.
tom segura
You know, my uncle, my dad was active duty on the ground.
My uncle flew over 600 missions in Vietnam.
Dropping bombs.
joe rogan
On your mom's Vietnam.
tom segura
I mean, think about it.
Think about it.
unidentified
Don't do that.
ari shaffir
Stand by that.
tom segura
Think about those numbers, though.
unidentified
600 times?
Wow.
joe rogan
Jesus Christ.
Imagine being the guy in the plane that drops the fucking...
Nuke.
The first nuke.
tom segura
Did you ever see the guy that did?
And he was like...
bert kreischer
It fucked him up.
tom segura
Oh, wow.
No, one of them was like, that's just what it is.
unidentified
Bro, but that guy just killed 150,000 people.
bert kreischer
But they didn't know if their plane was going to be able to get away from the bomb.
So they had to fucking fly crazy altitudes to try to get out of the bomb.
joe rogan
Isn't that crazy?
Like, first time.
You're not exactly sure.
Did you see Oppenheimer?
It's amazing.
bert kreischer
I read the book.
ari shaffir
Shut up.
bert kreischer
You don't read.
ari shaffir
I don't read.
joe rogan
I don't even read.
I do read.
bert kreischer
Of course you do.
joe rogan
But I read like 10% of what I listen to.
ari shaffir
Books on tape?
unidentified
Yeah.
bert kreischer
But I wish you read for less.
unidentified
Huh?
bert kreischer
I wish you read less.
joe rogan
Why?
bert kreischer
It'd be easier to hang out with you.
unidentified
Am I hard to hang out with?
Joe, you know too much, man.
joe rogan
You already knew me when I was stupid.
bert kreischer
I know, I wish I got that Joe.
I got the early Joe, the dumb Joe.
That was my favorite Joe.
This Joe, like...
ari shaffir
Before he discovered a book.
bert kreischer
Oh, fuck.
I remember when you got curious.
I remember it.
joe rogan
I've been curious forever.
I didn't have a platform where I can get people to talk to me.
ari shaffir
As long as you can keep it from moon landings or aliens or pyramids, you're good.
bert kreischer
Leanne's always wondered, what's it like hanging out with Joe?
And I was like, I don't know, it's really hard to explain.
And then you hung out with her the other night.
I don't know what you were talking about because I just stopped listening.
But you were like, felt inclusions and Bob Lazar and the fucking...
joe rogan
Yeah, we were talking about this lady...
Diana Posolka who is on the podcast who is she's a religious scholar and she was talking about how There is a growing theory that these experienced people having with UFOs UAPs alien abductions This is not something from another planet.
It's something that's always been here.
It's an inter-dimensional being that there's a bunch of different variables that have to come into play for these things to be able to pass forth into our realm, but that they're somehow or another monitoring us and have always been.
And that these crash retrievals, they call them donations.
bert kreischer
Best post-sex conversation I've ever had.
Hope Brogan was right.
I want to be angels with you up in heaven.
It was cool as fuck.
She hung out with Joe for fucking ten minutes and then we had sex and she was like, hey, I love that idea.
Those angels are real.
It's cool.
joe rogan
I think if you stopped and thought about how many cultures believe in some greater power that's above everything that they intuitively know is guiding you in a moral and ethical direction, there's gotta be something to it.
bert kreischer
Yeah.
joe rogan
There's something to it.
bert kreischer
I agree.
Suck my dick, Louis C.K. You're right.
He can suck my dick.
Why should he suck your dick?
Because he didn't believe in anything.
joe rogan
Well, that's a fair way to believe if you want to just do it based entirely on evidence.
That's a very reasonable perspective.
tom segura
He's a total atheist.
ari shaffir
Because he's like, you're just making up a reason.
It's this.
bert kreischer
Yeah, but I like that more.
I like that more.
joe rogan
I think the universe is God.
bert kreischer
That's what I think.
joe rogan
I think this idea of God creating the universe is silly.
I think the whole thing is God.
I think it's God in the fact that it's the entire creation of everything that exists that we can measure.
All of it is the universe.
And if you read the Bible, the Bible talks about in the beginning there was light.
Boy, that sounds a lot like the Big Bang.
Boy, that sounds a lot like the birth of the universe.
I think these fucking people that wrote the Bible were recounting stories that were told down through people that had a scientific understanding of the birth and death of the universe, just like we do now.
Maybe even more than we do now.
And then they got hit by asteroids.
And then it was thousands of years before civilization reestablished itself, and the stories had been told down, handed down, forever and ever.
And by the time people wrote them down, they were goofy.
And they were goofy, and it was like, God created the earth in six days, and the whole story of Adam and Eve.
And there's probably a lot to all of it that's true.
And it's probably a historical record that was told to people that were essentially barbarians that were surviving from the collapse of a superior civilization, superior to what we have today.
And there's a lot of real physical evidence of that.
There's a lot of archaeological evidence of that.
And it seems to be a direction that a lot of people are headed into when they understand how often we get hit with asteroids.
Somewhere around 11,800 years ago we got pelted and it stopped civilization in its tracks and we had to rebuild from scratch.
And the people that survived were probably monsters.
Monsters.
The Mongols and the fucking hordes and the barbarians.
They were the most harsh people because that was the only way you survived because there was no longer a technologically advanced civilization.
It was all just barbarism and there's very few animals to eat because there's a nuclear winter because the sky is filled with the impact of this massive meteor that slams into earth and kills 70% of all the people.
And then about 6,000 years later, they start figuring out mathematics again.
ari shaffir
Wow.
bert kreischer
This is why I listen to this podcast.
joe rogan
That's what I think.
tom segura
What do you think?
You grew up religious.
ari shaffir
Uh-huh.
tom segura
What is your take on God?
bert kreischer
You gave up your Lord.
ari shaffir
Yeah.
They said the years were different.
So when they said it was created 5,000 years ago, they're like, that's our understanding of the years.
They're like, this guy lived to 260. But that's just, I don't know, some seasons passed.
joe rogan
When they wrote that, they didn't even have a sundial.
ari shaffir
Right, so they're like, how old are you?
Like, I don't know, we don't have calendars.
tom segura
But are you a believer in a higher power?
ari shaffir
No.
tom segura
No.
ari shaffir
Why?
What do you mean why?
bert kreischer
What happens when you die?
ari shaffir
There's no why to a belief.
bert kreischer
What happens when you die?
ari shaffir
When you die, I want to forget you.
unidentified
You know I've worked really hard, so that doesn't happen.
bert kreischer
You know, that's one of my biggest things about working is I wonder, because they say you die twice.
You die when you die, and then you die when the last person that remembers you dies.
ari shaffir
I try to go to graveyards.
I try to look at the graveyards and see who they are and try to say their name and keep them alive a little longer.
unidentified
Whoa.
That's creepy.
bert kreischer
Sometimes I call my dead friends on their cell phone numbers.
ari shaffir
Did they ever answer?
bert kreischer
Nope.
ari shaffir
They never got that number again?
joe rogan
That's interesting.
bert kreischer
I don't like the death thing.
I don't believe in it.
You don't believe in death?
Yeah.
joe rogan
I have one phone that I keep active because I have a text message chain from Anthony Bourdain and a voicemail from a buddy who might have died.
ari shaffir
The pool player?
joe rogan
No, Dave Dolan, my private investigator friend.
He was the funniest guy I ever met that never did stand-up.
I was an amateur comic and he was a private investigator that lost his driver's license because he was drunk driving.
So he needed an assistant.
And so he really just needed someone to drive him.
And so I was like, private investigator's assistant?
That'd be a cool job.
So I started working for this guy.
And he died a few years back when he left me a voicemail.
It was fucking awesome.
bert kreischer
What was the last text Anthony Bourdain sent you?
joe rogan
That's a good question.
ari shaffir
Please let him call you.
joe rogan
No, there was a restaurant and I took a photo of this chef that was prominently figured on the wall.
I go, who's this guy?
And it's Marco Pierre White.
You know who he is?
Google that guy.
He's one of the most extraordinary chefs that's like ever existed.
He's like a true artistic genius that's a chef.
bert kreischer
Where's he based out of?
joe rogan
Yeah, he's English.
He's amazing.
He's a really fascinating guy.
There's a ton of videos of him talking about food.
The way he approaches food is the way Rembrandt approached paintings.
I love this guy.
He's a wizard.
I mean, he's legitimate.
He's 100% all-in.
I believe now the way he sets up these insane restaurants, and I think one of them he's using now from a farm, if I remember correctly, that he runs.
He's certainly done that in the past, where they source all of their ingredients, everything.
bert kreischer
Love it, love it, love it.
joe rogan
And they set the menu.
I mean, it's cuisine taken to a level of precision that it just doesn't...
It's not just food.
tom segura
The food experience I had in Asia, by the way, was unbelievable.
joe rogan
Yeah, I saw your post.
tom segura
It was unbelievable.
joe rogan
So how did you know where to go?
tom segura
A lot of it was that Phillip Lee was there, our friend Phillip Lee, the chef.
He was in Tokyo.
ari shaffir
Tell you where to go.
joe rogan
Oh, that's amazing.
tom segura
And he had been there a month.
joe rogan
Oh, that's amazing.
tom segura
And so we went to an omakase sushi place for lunch that I was like, this is absolutely insane.
A teppanyaki place at a hotel.
Here's one of the things...
bert kreischer
Oh, my dick's hard.
tom segura
Oh, my God.
So teppanyaki...
bert kreischer
Fuck.
tom segura
Oh, he said this thing that I was like, oh, I didn't realize this.
That in the States, a lot of times when you stay at a hotel, you go, we gotta get out of the hotel to find something good to eat, right?
Like the hotel restaurant, you're like, is shit?
But the thing in Tokyo is that hotels, like your fucking Hyatt Hotel has a restaurant that you're like, I wish I could eat here every night.
It's that thing of the ingredient is the star.
So like a salad, you have a basic salad, the tomato is like the best tomato you've ever had, the lettuce is...
We had king crab, they go, do you want king crab at this teppanyaki place?
And I was like...
Yeah, like king crab.
And I'm thinking of it all the times I've had it before.
And they bring it out raw.
It had just been brought in from a ship earlier that day.
And then they just season it, put a little butter on the griddle there, and prepare it.
It was the best.
I'd never had anything like that before.
The Wagyu Mafia, which is like...
A theater performance.
It's six table top, and it's just 13 different variations of Wagyu beef.
ari shaffir
Wow.
tom segura
I mean, and then we went to Hong Kong, and we had, there's this place called New Punjab Club.
It's a one-star Michelin place Indian food that was...
bert kreischer
What's one-star mean?
tom segura
So one star, it's like, yeah, there's three star possibilities.
So one star is that this is, if it's accessible to you, it's worth going to eat here.
Two stars is like, it's worth going out of your way to eat here.
Three stars is it's worth making a trip to go to this place just to eat here.
ari shaffir
I went to one of those.
tom segura
Yeah, we went to a three star in Singapore that was called Zen that was just unbelievable.
But in Hong Kong, that Indian place, their kitchen Was smaller than the space we're in right now.
Whoa.
How many seats?
They had probably six tables.
And they had a cylinder, like a ceramic cylinder.
They brought us into the kitchen with coal down there.
And they just take sticks and they put them in there with chicken and beef and everything.
And it gets to like, I don't know, a thousand degrees in there.
But every dish came out and you're like, this is...
Everything we ate was like, this is the best thing I've ever eaten, you know?
unidentified
Wow!
tom segura
But the three star in Singapore really was one of those experiences where the experience starts when you walk in.
ari shaffir
When you walk in.
tom segura
You know, see a waiting room experience.
joe rogan
Did you ever see the movie The Menu?
tom segura
Yes.
joe rogan
Isn't it amazing?
tom segura
I love that movie.
joe rogan
That's such a good movie.
ari shaffir
Me and Bobby Kelly went to Noma in Copenhagen.
bert kreischer
No.
Noma's the motherfucker, right?
ari shaffir
Yeah.
It was like best restaurant three out of five years.
And the guy was like, we were at a festival.
He's like, let's just go see it.
They ain't gonna get you in.
And they go, hey, these guys are comedians visiting.
bert kreischer
Wait, hold on.
Is this pre-lap band surgery?
ari shaffir
Oh, yeah.
bert kreischer
Oh, fuck yeah!
ari shaffir
And anyway, I got a call.
I'm taking a nap.
I'm taking a nap to get a call.
We got a cancellation for lunch.
You want to come in?
And I was like, yeah.
I called Bobby.
He's with the promoter.
Bobby's like, nah, we had a shorter pizza.
And the guy hit him in the face and said, put that pizza down and go over there right now.
bert kreischer
And Bobby said, I'll eat the pizza also.
ari shaffir
26 course lunch.
They don't have lemons because it's not local.
tom segura
Everything's local, yeah.
ari shaffir
So we use ants that give you that lemony zest.
unidentified
Ants.
ari shaffir
Fried moss.
Ants.
unidentified
Ants.
ari shaffir
There was a pairing, a booze pairing, fried moss.
It's great.
There was a booze pairing, Bobby's like, I'm an alcoholic, can't eat because we have a juice pairing for you.
unidentified
There's no level that they won't Accommodate to make the experience.
ari shaffir
Where we were in the kitchen, there were three guys peeling walnuts.
The little brown casing on a walnut.
And I was like, who are those guys?
They're high-level chefs.
I'm like, what are they doing?
They don't want that shit getting stuck in your teeth.
tom segura
This is one of the things you wish you could share.
ari shaffir
Yeah, the ants right there.
tom segura
You wish you could share this experience with everybody.
Like, just so they get to have something like this.
bert kreischer
Oh, that fucking ants!
ari shaffir
Yeah.
And you just do it.
You don't think twice.
It's amazing.
bert kreischer
Alright, what's better?
Sushi in Japan, or like that high-end sushi, or pasta in Europe?
When you're in Italy...
ari shaffir
Yeah, low-level food's good, too.
unidentified
Why does everything have to be a competition with you, Bert?
bert kreischer
I'm just trying to start a conversation.
I want you to pick teams.
ari shaffir
Yeah, some of that shit's great, too.
A local, small, good sandwich in France.
bert kreischer
Ham-made pasta, ham-made tortillas.
joe rogan
Listen, man, if I had two foods to choose for the rest of my life, only based on flavor, it's Italian and Mexican.
100%.
Oh, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.
Italian's great, but I like to get drunk.
I like a fucking burrito.
tom segura
Yeah.
bert kreischer
Hey, more tortillas are fucking next up.
joe rogan
Remember those chicken burritos we used to get in San Diego when we go to La Jolla?
ari shaffir
Don Carlos?
unidentified
Oh!
tom segura
Did you ever go to...
joe rogan
That's like that really watery red sauce that was on the chicken...
Oh my god, that's insane.
tom segura
Yuka's on Vermont in LA? No.
It's a parking lot with a, like a hut, like a stand, like where you would go to get a parking ticket.
That's the kitchen.
joe rogan
Whoa.
tom segura
And she got the James Beard Award.
ari shaffir
Really?
tom segura
Yeah, yeah.
unidentified
Really.
tom segura
And it's like, just tacos the way she made them in Yucatown.
unidentified
Oh, yeah.
ari shaffir
And I guarantee you those high-level chefs from that would love to eat at Yucca's.
joe rogan
Bro, if it wasn't for the fact that it's not good for you, I'd be eating Mexican food every day.
Mexican food and Italian food.
I'd be eating linguine and clams.
If food was just calories purely and there was no nutrition at all.
tom segura
That's the whole restaurant, dude.
joe rogan
There was no concern with what's good for your body and bad for your body.
Oh my god, I've been eating pizza and pasta all day long.
tom segura
There's nothing better than pizza.
joe rogan
I've been eating lasagna.
If food was all just, every food was equal.
tom segura
A rigatoni norcino.
bert kreischer
Oh!
What's the one with the egg yolk in it?
tom segura
I'm hungry right now.
ari shaffir
Oh yeah, they mix it up.
bert kreischer
Carbonara.
Carbonara is the fucking greatest.
joe rogan
Have you eaten at Felix in Venice?
tom segura
No, I've never been there.
unidentified
Jesus Luizus.
joe rogan
Evan Funky.
He's got three restaurants now.
He's got Mother Wolf, he's got Funky.
tom segura
I've been to Mother Wolf, and that's fucking awesome in Hollywood.
joe rogan
I don't even think about going gluten-free when I go to that joint.
tom segura
Mother Wolf is the shit.
bert kreischer
For real?
joe rogan
Yeah, I let that carnivore diet go fuck itself.
We're here for mouth pleasure.
Evan is a wizard.
He's been on the podcast before.
tom segura
He has?
joe rogan
Yeah, he's a wizard.
ari shaffir
It's just when you see it, they're artists about it.
They're thinking about it at another level.
bert kreischer
Brother, Roy Choi, friend of Tom.
Tom and I used to do dinner with Roy Choi all the time.
He lived next door to me.
He revolutionized taco trucks.
Good from the Bourdain.
He said to me one time, we went to dinner for his daughter's birthday, and he said, what do you have for dinner?
And he said, I'm going vegan.
I said, really?
He said, I'm going vegan for a year, because I feel like meat has dominated my palate, and I want to really challenge my palate to find flavor again.
unidentified
And then you go, wow, that's...
tom segura
Dedication to the craft, really.
bert kreischer
That's fucking next level, man.
That's the fucking thing.
tom segura
I couldn't do that.
joe rogan
Yeah, it's like, boy, dumb.
Go eat squash for a year, stupid.
I can eat ribeye steaks 365 days a year.
I'll be fine.
bert kreischer
You gave me two Zins.
joe rogan
Yeah, let's go.
No, they're rogues.
bert kreischer
They're two rogues.
joe rogan
Tommy, you turned me on to these.
tom segura
They're the best.
joe rogan
I know you are.
unidentified
Yeah, let's do it.
joe rogan
I'm not even an asshole.
bert kreischer
Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.
Pass me two.
I'm into 24 milligrams.
joe rogan
Hey.
It dropped on the ground.
unidentified
Dropped on the ground.
bert kreischer
I take it off the fucking ground.
ari shaffir
I take it off the ground.
Don't be scared.
joe rogan
There's only random people from all walks of life.
jamie vernon
I already sat that seat many times.
ari shaffir
It's not the safest.
bert kreischer
I'm not in love with the seating choice for Protect My Parks.
I'm not in love with the seating choice for Protect My Parks.
ari shaffir
Why?
bert kreischer
I don't know.
I like where you are.
ari shaffir
Right here.
joe rogan
Switch it up.
bert kreischer
I'm not in love with sunglasses either.
joe rogan
No, they have to go sunglasses when they get fucked up.
It lets Shane be Shane.
It lets Tim Dillon be Tim Dillon.
You gotta give a man the option of sunglasses.
ari shaffir
You have to.
joe rogan
Really?
Yeah, yeah, yeah.
bert kreischer
What are you doing?
joe rogan
It's like how a lot of people...
Look at that cock.
bert kreischer
Here, let me show you mine.
joe rogan
He's gonna piss into a jar.
You know there's a bathroom out there?
bert kreischer
Wait, a closer one?
Ari, Ari.
joe rogan
No, it's not a closer one.
No, don't do that.
ari shaffir
You got a lot of sack, bro.
joe rogan
I got a lot of sack.
bert kreischer
What a great dick.
joe rogan
Your sack looks like you lost 500 pounds.
bert kreischer
Thank you.
joe rogan
You had like 80 pounds in your sack.
bert kreischer
Let's see yours.
joe rogan
Let's see yours.
bert kreischer
Joe, let's go viral.
Let's go viral.
unidentified
No, no, no.
joe rogan
I'm not showing my dick.
I'm a grown man.
bert kreischer
Are your balls bigger than your dick?
joe rogan
No, they're regular.
unidentified
Yeah?
Yeah.
bert kreischer
Do you have a hard time cumming?
joe rogan
Nope.
bert kreischer
For real?
joe rogan
No.
bert kreischer
What do you think about when you cum?
joe rogan
I really don't have a thing.
unidentified
Come on, man.
joe rogan
Don't piss into the fucking...
Why don't you go to the bathroom?
Just pinch your dick.
Go out there.
Take your headphones off and go walk out.
Ari, go walk out.
Don't piss in my mug.
unidentified
I'll take it.
tom segura
Just walk them both out now.
Like, you should have just left before.
joe rogan
How much piss do you have left in you?
Do you really have a good gauge?
ari shaffir
Yeah, it's done.
I was going to get the top of the bubbles.
joe rogan
I can just tell you that when you have to piss and you do piss, it's one of the great feelings of life.
ari shaffir
It feels so good.
joe rogan
It's so good, and it's one of those things we're ashamed of so we don't talk about it.
We really appreciate a good, solid piss.
Have you been drinking beer?
ari shaffir
Zip it up.
joe rogan
Don't zip your dick in your...
How many times have you done that?
Caught your dick in your zipper?
tom segura
Yeah, I've done that.
It's horrific.
joe rogan
That stopped me from going bareback.
I thought bareback was a wild person's way to do it.
unidentified
Yeah, yeah, yeah.
joe rogan
I don't need no fucking underwear.
I'm not a pussy.
tom segura
Do you know underwear?
joe rogan
A couple times I caught my dick in my zipper.
unidentified
He never does.
bert kreischer
I don't want underwear.
joe rogan
Nice.
I know, I pull your dick out in front of everybody at Vulcan.
bert kreischer
I know.
tom segura
You did?
joe rogan
I pantsed him.
I pantsed him during Kill Tony.
His ass was hanging out.
I was like, let's go.
ari shaffir
Let's go.
tom segura
Let's go.
You get a little shaft caught in a zipper, that'll change you.
ari shaffir
That'll do.
bert kreischer
No.
tom segura
No?
joe rogan
It's not good.
bert kreischer
You need underwear.
joe rogan
You need underwear.
Underwear are important.
Keep it together.
bert kreischer
No.
joe rogan
No?
unidentified
No.
joe rogan
Okay.
ari shaffir
You just feel great, though, huh?
bert kreischer
Especially in a suit pant.
joe rogan
You feel like a wild person.
Remember those days where the girls were getting caught getting out of limos with their pussies?
On purpose.
Because the camera was down.
The camera was literally focused on their vagina.
Like down low.
Imagine.
tom segura
It's like a wildlife photographer.
unidentified
Yes!
ari shaffir
Yeah, kids are a falcon.
tom segura
See if these fucking jaguars are going to come out of that.
joe rogan
They did it.
It was like they figured out how to be viral early on.
Just show your pussy.
tom segura
That was so fascinating to me when I learned that a lot of those people that are always in paparazzi, that they give a heads up to the paparazzi.
unidentified
Oh, yeah.
tom segura
You know, I didn't know that originally.
You're like, oh.
They call.
joe rogan
They're like, I'm going here.
unidentified
No, yeah, yeah, yeah.
ari shaffir
Hey, I'm having a beard.
unidentified
I'm dating.
ari shaffir
And then they go, ugh.
Yeah, exactly.
unidentified
Jesus.
bert kreischer
How do you deal with paparazzi?
tom segura
How do I deal with them?
bert kreischer
Do you engage or do you just tap out?
tom segura
I mean, the only thing I think I deal with is probably autographed people.
bert kreischer
You've never had, like, paparazzi come up to you?
tom segura
Yeah, I did it on Melrose in L.A., but they're not, like, here.
bert kreischer
But are you generous, or are you just, like, go fuck yourself?
joe rogan
The TMZ guys are good guys.
They're good guys.
I've known a few of them that were comics.
ari shaffir
That guy got his headphones?
joe rogan
Yeah, they're good guys.
bert kreischer
Just trying to make a buck.
joe rogan
Just making money.
ari shaffir
I was talking to some hot foreign chick at the patio of the store, and I was just coming up, and the guy was like, hey, man, when you're done with the date, can I get an interview with you, TMZ? I was like, yeah, sure.
I talked to her for another 20 minutes, then she left, and I was like, you don't really want anybody.
I was like, no, I was trying to make you look cool.
bert kreischer
I was like, nice!
tom segura
That was fucking awesome.
joe rogan
That's hilarious.
That's a good move.
tom segura
There was like 20 of them outside of a store once, and then they all surrounded me, and I was like, you're not here for me.
And they're like, no, so-and-so is shopping over here.
But they're just nice.
joe rogan
Yeah, most of them are just people, man.
And then they also get abused all the time.
But some of them are fucking creeps.
ari shaffir
Some of them are just invading privacy.
joe rogan
Yeah.
unidentified
I mean, there's people that have tapped into people's phones.
tom segura
This shit's crazy.
joe rogan
Tapped into their emails.
bert kreischer
You worried about that?
joe rogan
No.
Not really.
I assume everyone is listening to every phone call I make.
bert kreischer
Do you think of that when you text?
joe rogan
100%.
bert kreischer
I think of that.
joe rogan
Yeah, and I still send memes.
Shut the fuck up.
I'll defend these in court, bitch.
These are funny.
bert kreischer
What's his name?
Pete Lee?
ari shaffir
Yeah.
bert kreischer
Pete Lee.
You know the story maybe better than I do.
ari shaffir
Or the comic?
bert kreischer
No, Pete Lee, the comic.
He had a stalker who was trying to kill him.
unidentified
Oh boy.
bert kreischer
And it was really bad.
It had to go to court.
And he had talked apparently about a stalker on Legion of Skanks.
And they read the transcripts of Legion of Skanks in court.
ari shaffir
No.
bert kreischer
And it murdered.
joe rogan
Everyone was laughing hysterically.
bert kreischer
Everyone was laughing hysterically.
And they're like, fuck, this guy's guilty.
joe rogan
Yo, did you hear the story Norton told on the podcast?
unidentified
Who?
joe rogan
Norton had a legal issue with this guy that he criticized on the podcast.
unidentified
Oh!
joe rogan
And he read this...
bert kreischer
Wait, go into detail.
Go into detail.
joe rogan
I'm doing that.
They read the transcript during the podcast, and people were laughing, and the guy got humiliated, so he decided to settle the case.
That guy went on to shoot a judge's son.
unidentified
What?
joe rogan
He went to the house, pretending he was like a delivery guy, and shot the son of this judge that he was trying to kill the judge.
And then she got away or she wasn't there.
I don't remember what happened.
But this is the same guy that Norton was involved in a lawsuit with for making fun of.
bert kreischer
He was a woman's advocate or a man's advocate.
Men's rights advocate.
So I think he's the same person that protested Eliza, if I'm not mistaken.
unidentified
For what?
ari shaffir
For having an all-female show for a woman?
joe rogan
Suspect in fatal shooting at home of Judge Esther Salas described himself as an anti-feminist lawyer once argued a case before the judge.
tom segura
Oh, Jesus.
ari shaffir
Esther's a female in the name.
joe rogan
Yeah, well, she was a female judge.
unidentified
He showed up at her house and fucking killed her son.
joe rogan
It's so crazy, man.
tom segura
That's really scary.
joe rogan
Yeah.
tom segura
That's terrible.
bert kreischer
I love that Norman, or that Jim Norton is happy.
joe rogan
I'm glad you love that he's happy.
bert kreischer
I love it.
I love it.
I love seeing him happy, man.
It makes me so happy.
Another glass of water for you?
joe rogan
I was worried you were going to go piss in that.
tom segura
Yeah, Jesus Christ.
ari shaffir
Guys, grow the fuck up.
joe rogan
Whoa, grow the fuck up.
How weird.
bert kreischer
You look kind of like Bobby Fischer.
joe rogan
What a weird thing to say.
ari shaffir
Everybody pees.
joe rogan
With a solid glass of piss right next to your right arm.
bert kreischer
Yeah.
The thing he's doing with his wife on YouTube?
joe rogan
Yeah.
bert kreischer
I love it.
joe rogan
I'm glad you love it.
bert kreischer
I love it, man.
I love, I love, I'll say this out loud, I love seeing people succeed.
I love seeing people win.
I love flowers.
tom segura
Jim's underrated.
bert kreischer
Hardcore.
tom segura
He's underrated.
bert kreischer
He's one of the best comics of our generation.
ari shaffir
His heyday on Opie and Anthony.
joe rogan
He made Opie and Anthony.
bert kreischer
He made it.
That's an understatement right there.
joe rogan
He made it.
It was weird to me that it was Opie and Anthony and Jim was on it.
I was like, it seems kind of weird.
ari shaffir
I think they had their show for years before.
joe rogan
I know.
bert kreischer
It wasn't what it was until Jim showed up.
joe rogan
Yeah.
ari shaffir
They were in Boston.
bert kreischer
They would never have had the comedians they had.
I mean, respectfully, I love Opie and Anthony.
I love those guys.
I was a fan of the show.
But that group of comics that was on it, the reason this podcast is what it is today, in all fairness, is because of that fucking show, but it's also because of Jim.
joe rogan
Yeah, it's because that show gave people the opportunity to just hang out.
And I remember when Ari and I used to do it in the early days, it was just like, this is a place where you could just hang out with comics.
There was no script.
ari shaffir
There was no script.
joe rogan
They just allowed us to fuck around.
ari shaffir
And also, they were cool about, like, you were a headliner and a name, and they were like, who's this?
Like, is it my opener?
Is it a comic?
Give him a mic.
joe rogan
Yeah, I would tell them, I got a funny guy who's coming with me.
I'm going to bring him in.
ari shaffir
They'd be like, cool, perfect.
unidentified
Tommy.
bert kreischer
Tommy's one of those guys.
unidentified
I bombed so hard on that show.
Really?
joe rogan
How'd you bomb?
tom segura
I was totally not ready for it.
I was not a fan of the show.
joe rogan
Oh, you didn't know?
tom segura
I knew about the show, but I didn't listen to it.
I didn't know about it.
joe rogan
Oh, no.
tom segura
And I went in there, and I said a couple words, and I just kind of sat in the pocket.
And then Ricky Gervais came in.
bert kreischer
Oh, wow.
tom segura
And then I started talking to Ricky as the show was going on.
ari shaffir
Just like, hey, what's going on?
tom segura
I was like, I'll do that episode.
joe rogan
Oh no, while the show was happening?
tom segura
Yeah, yeah, yeah.
joe rogan
Did you realize your mic was on?
tom segura
Eh, kinda.
And then Ricky and I just kept talking and then I'd look over and I'd see the guys like, What are you fucking doing?
bert kreischer
You might be the most epically, in retrospect, horrific comic to ever do radio.
unidentified
What?
bert kreischer
Without a doubt.
Because Tom has never given a fuck about anything ever in his life.
Ever.
So when you did Bob and Tom, they'd write out your things you want to say, and Tom was like, I'll just figure it out.
You never gave a fuck.
joe rogan
They asked me to do that, too.
I'm like, I'm not doing that.
The producers got really upset.
They upset, like...
And I go, we're going to figure it out.
ari shaffir
I'm not that kind of comic.
tom segura
They didn't like it.
joe rogan
This is nonsense.
You're doing some 1985 nonsense.
tom segura
They didn't like that at all.
joe rogan
And this is not 1985. Get out of here.
tom segura
They were nice, but they were...
bert kreischer
Tom was doing that before anyone else.
Like, with absolute love.
When you see all the comics coming on and fucking up radio and TV that they're doing now, it's a little bit based on the fact that you really did not give a fuck.
joe rogan
Hang on.
A lot of guys didn't.
Including Tracy Morgan.
bert kreischer
Tracy Morgan, hold on.
joe rogan
Tracy Morgan's better than anyone.
He was slapping Bunny out his belly.
He was like, someone's getting pregnant.
Someone's getting pregnant.
He would be slapping his belly.
That's my main call.
tom segura
My philosophy on it was basically...
I think podcasts, radio, television all can go really well based on the host's interest.
And so what I had was I had a real personal fuck you to a host that was like, I don't really care who you are or what you're doing here.
This is what we do.
And so if they were like, you're at the club this week?
I would go, yeah.
And then they were like, be funny.
I'd be like, why don't you go suck your fucking mom's dick?
And then they would go like, what's happening?
bert kreischer
That's a business partner right there.
joe rogan
So that's why you came out with DJ Dad Mouth?
tom segura
That was why DJ Dad Mouth came out.
joe rogan
So it came out to this specific person?
tom segura
That came out just because I was like, I don't want to do this.
ari shaffir
Morning TV never did anything.
tom segura
I don't want to do this.
joe rogan
It never helped.
unidentified
Only contractually obligated?
tom segura
What they would end up doing is, the funny bones would go, hey, if you would do this, we bring people every week.
No matter whether they're big or small, selling tickets or not.
So when I started to sell tickets, they'd be like, oh, your shows are sold out this week.
I'd be like, cool.
And you're doing Good Morning Hartford tomorrow.
And I'd be like, why?
And they're like, because we do it every week.
And I'd go, but it's not to sell tickets, right?
Because the tickets are sold.
joe rogan
It's just to promote the club.
tom segura
Yeah, so they're like, no, but get up at 5 and go do it.
And I'm like, all right.
So that kind of came from that.
But before that, I'm saying, even like I did Kimmel last night, When you go there, you do a pre-interview with a producer, it still rides on the fact that he's engaged and wants it to go well.
And he totally was, and it was really fun, and it went well.
But in the radio days, a lot of times those radio hosts Sometimes there's like the Philly guys, Preston and Steve.
ari shaffir
Preston and Steve are good.
tom segura
So they come in, like you come in and they're like, they know questions, they know what you've been doing.
So that makes the experience fun.
joe rogan
They're fun.
They're happy to see you.
bert kreischer
They're great.
tom segura
But you go into places where they're just like, they're literally like, you're born in Cincinnati?
And you go...
Yeah.
And they'll go...
ari shaffir
Trying to lead you.
tom segura
Yeah, so tell us something about that.
And you're like, what?
unidentified
So...
tom segura
It's a place.
I didn't go...
joe rogan
It's in Ohio.
tom segura
If I left that place and you, the host, were like, I didn't really like you, I'd be like, I don't give a shit that you don't like me.
I'm not here to fucking dance with you, man.
bert kreischer
You have ridden that horse into the grave.
I love that about you, is that you gotta remember, this was before...
When you were doing that...
The only white, no one white person was doing that.
Tracy Morgan, as a famous person, would go in and be wild on things, and everyone would fucking love it.
We'd share it with each other.
tom segura
Yeah, Tracy was the best.
bert kreischer
Tom was doing it in earnest.
ari shaffir
Like, fuck off.
bert kreischer
I knew at the same time I was going to the same places and being like, oh god, please play a Tracy Morgan one.
unidentified
Look at me on that.
I'm handsome.
Now I can see why I got so many kids.
Texas El Paso, I'm telling you, man, I went to Jaguars last night.
I love my ladies here.
joe rogan
Oh, wow.
unidentified
Oh, my God.
tom segura
Yeah, so again, not family.
bert kreischer
Somebody gonna get pregnant.
tom segura
Somebody gonna get pregnant while I'm in town.
unidentified
Two days, watch.
Two days, somebody gonna get pregnant.
joe rogan
So, yeah, Trace.
tom segura
It's always these guys, you know?
It's the same guy in every market.
ari shaffir
Oh, boy.
bert kreischer
But they're loving it.
They're loving it.
And Tom would go in and do that.
But he would do it his own way, you know?
And it was so fucking...
Awesome, man.
Because so many of us, myself included, would just suck a dick and be like, No, I disagree.
tom segura
What you would do is you would go in with fun energy and you go, I'm going to make this fun.
bert kreischer
I would drink on those.
tom segura
You go, yeah, bloat in his eyes.
You go, I'd make fun.
Get out of here.
ari shaffir
I got a hard month coming.
tom segura
What's your hard month?
bert kreischer
We're celebrating Tommy.
unidentified
What?
joe rogan
In February?
ari shaffir
Yeah.
bert kreischer
Fuck, don't bring it to me.
joe rogan
We're trying to do in February.
ari shaffir
I'm doing stuff.
joe rogan
I was trying to move to London to let those bitches know.
ari shaffir
Hey, are you guys going to run our 5K? Wait, is it a specific place or just wherever you are?
I want to bike it.
bert kreischer
5K by May.
ari shaffir
Where is it?
bert kreischer
Jelly Roll's doing it.
Cam Haynes is doing it.
ari shaffir
Is it a specific place or just anywhere?
bert kreischer
We're going to do a 5K. Where?
tom segura
We're picking a spot.
bert kreischer
We haven't announced it yet.
ari shaffir
Let's do it in Australia.
tom segura
Louie's doing it.
bert kreischer
Great call.
tom segura
Stavi's doing it.
joe rogan
They're all going to run.
bert kreischer
Tim Dillon's doing it.
ari shaffir
No, Tim Dillon's not.
joe rogan
Tim Dillon's not going to.
You're trying to kill him right now.
Tim Dillon's going to have a headache.
ari shaffir
Tim Dillon's not doing it.
bert kreischer
Tim Dillon's doing it.
ari shaffir
Tim Dillon's planning on doing it.
bert kreischer
Tim Dillon's not doing it.
Shane Gillis is doing it.
Louis C.K. is doing it.
joe rogan
That's three and a half miles.
tom segura
They're not doing it.
bert kreischer
It says 3.1, buddy.
ari shaffir
Tim Dillon's not doing it.
tom segura
He said he would.
ari shaffir
It's great.
jamie vernon
Is there a first place prize?
bert kreischer
That was funny.
ari shaffir
No, it's just completed, I think.
tom segura
I just remembered the best radio one was when I went in.
Do you ever have somebody and they go, sit here, and they're doing a thing.
Just waiting?
Yeah, just waiting.
We're coming back from break.
All right.
So then they walk you in the room and they sit you here.
Then the guy could not be less interested.
He's like reading the paper.
bert kreischer
What radio station?
tom segura
Tell it.
Tell it.
It's in the Northeast.
ari shaffir
It's a long time ago.
tom segura
But he goes, all right, we'll be back from the break in 30 seconds.
And I go, okay.
He goes, then just take over.
And I go, what?
He goes, just take over.
And I go, what are you talking about?
He goes, it's just your show.
You have shows this weekend.
Just do whatever you want to do.
And I go, I'm not going to do anything.
And then it's like 10 seconds.
He's like, what do you mean you're not going to do anything?
I go, I'm not going to do anything.
I go, if you don't ask me something, I'm not gonna say a single fucking word.
And he goes, uh...
Then he goes, uh...
All respect, he goes, uh...
Bobby Lee was here last week, and he took all his clothes off.
I go, how'd that play on radio?
unidentified
Was that a fucking hit for your audience?
tom segura
And then it was like, you're on.
And this guy was fucking scrambling.
Like, freaking out.
He read my fake bio.
unidentified
Fake bio?
tom segura
I had a fake bio.
bert kreischer
Yeah, that's his internet.
Footprint.
tom segura
So it was all like made up and it was like, you played for the Bengals?
And I was like, yeah.
So he's asking me all the fake questions and he starts sweating.
He starts sweating and he has his co-host who doesn't know how to also navigate.
But they were just, to me, they embodied like lazy, disinterested.
And, you know, they were like unhappy in this market doing what they do, and they were just like, take over.
And I was like, fuck you.
bert kreischer
It's the best thing about him.
ari shaffir
I would have scrambled.
bert kreischer
He really doesn't give a fuck.
ari shaffir
You just go, no, that's not cool.
bert kreischer
You realize how many times, me and you, maybe, I'm saying maybe not me and you, but like, just went in and did the dance.
And that's why...
I look up to you because it's the coolest thing about you is that you really don't give a fuck.
ari shaffir
That is nice.
bert kreischer
It's so cool to not give a fuck.
It's so sexy.
Like, it's not...
When you give a fuck, it's a little sad sometimes.
tom segura
I think I give a fuck about certain things.
unidentified
You don't give a fuck.
ari shaffir
Yeah, yeah, right.
But what you don't give a fuck about...
bert kreischer
Tom, I don't know if you've read your comments.
You do not give a fuck.
You do not give a fuck.
joe rogan
You give the perfect amount of fucks.
tom segura
I think it's like a balance.
joe rogan
It's the right balance.
bert kreischer
No, it's detrimental.
joe rogan
To what?
bert kreischer
To him.
joe rogan
How so?
bert kreischer
If I read his comments, I'd be like, start giving a fuck.
joe rogan
Yeah, but who's writing those comments?
You can't read comments.
bert kreischer
I do.
joe rogan
The people that are writing them, you get a disproportionate amount of failures.
You're getting a disproportionate amount of people that are just—yeah, for sure.
But it's not—if you're trying to get like a control study of the population, general population, if you're doing a pharmaceutical study, you have a bunch of old people, a bunch of young people, different walks of life.
You're going to do it right.
You do it with a bunch of biological variability.
The variability of people that are wanting to comment negatively online is like, you can find those people.
They don't have their shit together.
bert kreischer
That's the people with dizziness.
joe rogan
Some of them are kids.
ari shaffir
Just ignore them.
joe rogan
A lot of them are kids.
ari shaffir
Look at the positive ones.
joe rogan
They're real young.
Some of them, they think it's fun.
They're trying to get a reaction.
They don't know what to do.
They just try to shit on you and see if you respond.
It's a nonsense way to communicate.
You don't know who they are.
You don't know what their background is.
You don't know whether their opinion is valid.
You're accepting negativity and human beings have a natural propensity to look towards negative things because your brain is programmed to look for intruders and dangerous things.
So you could look at 100 people in your village that you love, but you see one person that doesn't love you that's standing on a hillside 50 yards away and you get scared.
unidentified
Sure.
joe rogan
Like, oh shit.
tom segura
What's that?
joe rogan
And that's what that is.
That's what comments are.
You're hijacking your natural system.
bert kreischer
That's why I love them.
ari shaffir
I think even the positive ones are better.
joe rogan
That's why I love them.
unidentified
No, no, no.
bert kreischer
Because I remember there was a time I was getting negative.
When the movie came out, I was getting a lot of negative shit.
And I texted Tommy.
I was like, can you just take a look at it and see if it's real?
You know, because I can't look at it.
It fucks me up.
So I just stopped looking at it.
I hired someone to do it for me.
But I don't trust them.
I don't trust them.
No, no, no, no, no.
Just to monitor them.
And then Tommy read them and he's like, that's actually kind of sweet.
You're like, it's not that bad.
And I was like, oh, for real?
And he's like, yeah, I love that.
joe rogan
You're gonna have a certain amount of people that fucking hate everything.
ari shaffir
Because you're big.
joe rogan
Like we were talking in the green room the other night.
I was talking about this person who wrote this...
They were talking about an all-time great guitarist.
And they said Hendrix was mostly noise.
bert kreischer
Yeah.
joe rogan
That is the craziest fucking thing I've ever heard anybody say.
ari shaffir
That's trying to be abrasive.
It's like, no, you like him, you just don't like him as much as everyone else does.
joe rogan
No, it's just a contrarian perspective.
tom segura
A lot of people like to do that, too.
joe rogan
Yeah.
ari shaffir
This guy sucks.
They don't suck.
You think they're a B+. And it's also fun.
tom segura
Don't you think it's fun sometimes just to provoke?
ari shaffir
Yeah, it is.
bert kreischer
No, not me, not me.
Definitely you are.
unidentified
Yeah, it's fun.
tom segura
Yeah, you're number one at that.
bert kreischer
You love it.
ari shaffir
Just to provoke.
Just like, let me get a rise out of you.
joe rogan
Yeah, it's a fun way to initiate a conversation.
bert kreischer
Yeah, not me.
I like, I just, I cruise by.
Try to keep my head down.
joe rogan
Read those comments, huh?
bert kreischer
No.
ari shaffir
Yes, you do.
You just said you do.
unidentified
No, no, no, no.
bert kreischer
I read Tommy's comments.
I read Tommy's comments.
joe rogan
You don't read yours?
bert kreischer
No, I do not.
joe rogan
Not ever?
bert kreischer
Never.
joe rogan
Every now and then.
bert kreischer
Never.
joe rogan
Late at night, taking a shit, three in the morning.
bert kreischer
Never.
unidentified
Shut up.
Never read yours?
bert kreischer
I never.
joe rogan
I'm pretty happy about this post.
Let me see if it's positive.
Let me see if people have a good thing to say.
No.
bert kreischer
So wait, why would you believe I didn't?
joe rogan
Because I'm different than you.
bert kreischer
How so?
joe rogan
Don't you think?
unidentified
Nope.
joe rogan
You think we're the same?
bert kreischer
I think we're so similar.
joe rogan
That's fascinating.
bert kreischer
Buddy, me and you, if we slept in bed together, we'd fight over the sheets.
joe rogan
I don't think so.
I'm not a sheet fighter.
I would want you to have an equitable amount of the sheets.
I would assume there's enough sheets for two people.
ari shaffir
You're a twin.
bert kreischer
You have to identify with me a little bit.
I know I drive you nuts.
joe rogan
That's interesting.
bert kreischer
I know I drive you nuts at times.
unidentified
How do you guys feel about what he's saying?
tom segura
We're the same thing?
I think there's similarities in everyone, but I think you're pretty different people.
joe rogan
As far removed as can stay in my friend group, I told you what I think.
bert kreischer
Can I tell you how I feel about you?
ari shaffir
- Put down.
- Good stare down.
bert kreischer
- Can I tell you how I feel about you? - Let's stare down.
unidentified
- Can I tell you how I feel you?
bert kreischer
When Nate Diaz says, "I didn't get bullied, I had a big brother." I think you're my big brother.
joe rogan
Aw, sweetie.
bert kreischer
I do.
I feel like I have a big brother.
I've said that to you and I've said that to you.
tom segura
I think you guys approach things very differently.
bert kreischer
We do.
And I think I drive you fucking nuts.
unidentified
No, you don't.
ari shaffir
I have to.
bert kreischer
I know I drive you me nuts.
joe rogan
He drove me nuts during Sober October.
ari shaffir
You bring out his competitive spirit.
joe rogan
There's a fucking monster in there.
You let him out of the cage.
bert kreischer
But I love your monster.
joe rogan
Yeah.
bert kreischer
Like the way a younger brother would like Needling his big brother, I like your monster.
tom segura
Here's the big, one of the big things I think that's super different is that he approaches things of like, all right, if I want to be proficient at this thing, I'm going to do it every day because that's how you get good, the consistency and the discipline.
And you go, you know what?
I think I can wing this shit.
ari shaffir
I'm pretty good at it.
tom segura
And that's one of the big philosophical differences of how you approach life.
ari shaffir
Yeah.
bert kreischer
But I listen to your podcast all the time.
tom segura
He does not.
bert kreischer
And I love the way your brain thinks.
I would never listen to my podcast.
But I like the way your brain thinks.
joe rogan
I'm just curious.
That's the way my brain thinks.
I'm always just trying to figure out why I think what I think and why this other person thinks what they think.
bert kreischer
That's what I'm doing.
But I do the same in a flip-flop.
Like, I like the way your brain thinks, but it's not the way my brain thinks.
I have no discipline.
I don't like discipline.
joe rogan
One of the cool things about hanging out with different walks of life, you obviously become very successful with claiming you have no discipline.
tom segura
You do have some discipline.
ari shaffir
You work out all the time.
bert kreischer
You know in secret time that I lean on you in times of real need?
Like, when I was with my cardiologist and I was like, hey man, I'm lost.
I don't know what to do.
And you were like, carnivore.
And so I do that.
I do that.
The problem is, and I would say this honestly just to Ari privately, but like...
We knew you before you were you.
Like, we knew you before this thing.
So like, I know you.
And I know who you've become.
And I obviously respect that.
I really do.
But like, my Joe guy I knew...
Is you.
Is you.
joe rogan
Right, but I don't think I've changed that much.
ari shaffir
No, it's a perception of you that's changed.
bert kreischer
Yeah.
ari shaffir
And so everyone else falls into that with a lot of famous people.
They fall into what they think of someone, and so they don't get treated as who they really are.
joe rogan
I think I've improved my perspective on things and the way I treat people.
bert kreischer
But you've grown, and you're a better person.
I mean, honestly, you're an amazing person, but...
I will always know you as the dude that walked me into his house.
I will never know you as this thing.
Like, this thing is pretty fucking insane.
ari shaffir
It's just, like, cool for you, but that's not...
joe rogan
But my version of it is fairly small.
ari shaffir
You've been pretty good at keeping your head straight.
joe rogan
Because I hang around the same people, I go to the club, I go to home, I work out, I do all the things I have to do.
It's not just that.
I have new friends.
It's just, like, I fucking torture myself.
So my perspective is balanced.
The worst thing that happens during my day is probably not as bad as what I've done to myself.
So I go into every day with a baseline.
I can handle shit.
bert kreischer
That hasn't changed in you at all.
joe rogan
No, it's the best way to regulate things.
Like what Henry Rollins was saying in that essay, it's the best way to regulate things.
It's the best way to keep a perspective on things.
You don't want to become a tyrant.
You don't want to become enamored with power and enamored with influence.
I'm not interested in that.
ari shaffir
You're not a guy who says, do you know who I am?
joe rogan
I'm not interested in that at all.
But you don't need to.
I say that.
If you don't know who I am, I'm happy.
I'd love to talk to a dude who doesn't know me.
bert kreischer
That's gonna be shocking.
joe rogan
It's gonna be shocking.
Oh my god, it'd be fun.
Talk to someone else.
bert kreischer
When was the last time you had that?
Or someone was like, what do you do for a living?
joe rogan
I don't know, because sometimes people bullshit you.
ari shaffir
It's great.
joe rogan
Sometimes people pretend they don't know who you are.
bert kreischer
Tommy's got friends that I've met that go, what do you do for a living?
And I get fucking angry.
unidentified
And I go, how do you not know who I am?
bert kreischer
The dentist or whatever the guy lives next door to you?
tom segura
Yeah.
bert kreischer
He's like, so what do you do for a living?
Fucking shut down.
joe rogan
I had this fancy lunch once with Eric Von Daniken.
ari shaffir
I love it.
joe rogan
Eric Weinstein invited me to this lunch with Eric Von Daniken.
Eric Von Daniken is the one who wrote The Chariots of the Gods.
He wrote that book about ancient aliens coming down here and building the pyramids and all this wild shit.
And he knew I knew everything about this guy.
I knew everything about his book.
I watched his documentary multiple times.
I've seen all the criticisms about it.
I want to have this conversation with him and find out why he thinks the way he thinks.
But when he said, what do you do for a living?
Because he didn't know who I was.
I was like, I'm a comedian.
And Weinstein started laughing.
And he goes, well, he's, you know, I go, I'm a comedian.
And he started explaining the podcast and all that different stuff, but I was like, just tell me what you think.
Tell me what you think and why you think.
But if you ask me what I do...
ari shaffir
It's going to change the answer.
joe rogan
Yeah.
It's also, it's like, I like that he didn't know who I was.
Like, this is wonderful.
This is wonderful.
This is a nice conversation.
tom segura
Totally.
joe rogan
And respectfully, why do you believe this?
And why do you ignore all the evidence that seems to lean to an advanced civilization that built this?
We have a rebuilding of advanced civilizations today.
That's much more plausible.
But his whole business is sort of...
Once you have an initial assertion, you write a book about it, you make a documentary about it, everybody's gonna say, like, that's...
You can't change your opinion.
Because that book's still on the shelf.
I bought your fucking book!
Your book's bullshit!
The book's what I thought back then.
I didn't know any better.
ari shaffir
Right.
joe rogan
But that was a good one.
ari shaffir
It's fun meeting somebody and you don't know who they are?
joe rogan
I knew everything about him.
I had studied him for so long.
I had watched his film multiple times.
Because his film asks real questions.
Like, how the fuck did they do this?
There's some stones in Lebanon and some fucking crazy quarried stones.
Like, how the fuck were they planning on moving this?
Well, they had abandoned the stone because there was a crack in it, and so they moved on.
So they have the evidence of how they actually quarried these things in some places.
tom segura
I don't understand all those ancient structures.
When you think about what it takes, how we build things today, and you see these things built...
And it's like a hundred thousand pound stone.
joe rogan
It's the best evidence that people were more advanced back then.
tom segura
Exactly.
And then you go, and not only is it like together, whereas it's seamless between two, you can't put a piece of paper between them.
bert kreischer
It's all aqueducts.
joe rogan
What they did...
What they did was probably follow a line of innovation that's different from the line we followed.
tom segura
One that we can't really relate to.
joe rogan
We followed combustion engines, industrial evolution, manufacturing at a large scale.
That's what we followed.
What they followed is probably something very different.
It probably had to do with frequencies and sound and how you could bore through stone.
They had diamond drills.
ari shaffir
Do you think if they saw our stuff, they'd be like, what the fuck?
joe rogan
Yeah, they'd probably be like, weird out by the internet.
If they didn't have it.
But the thing is, if you have electronics and you leave them on the ground, they don't exist in a hundred years.
They will get absorbed by the earth.
Within a thousand years, there's no trace.
You'll find the minerals that are in the batteries and all that stuff, that'll all break down.
There'll be nothing left.
If you watched buildings that were in Detroit that people abandoned, and you see trees growing through those buildings, quickly, man.
Houses, cars, you see a car that gets left in the woods?
It just gets broken down to rust and within a thousand years there will be nothing.
So if there was some shit that existed, like the conventional dating of the Great Pyramid is 2500 BC. That's under heavy speculation.
The real belief is that it's probably the guys from John Anthony West and Graham Hancock and Randall Carlson They point towards a possibility of a super sophisticated civilization more than 11,000 BC. See, I think that's the thing that I've never really considered.
tom segura
No, really considered is that you always go, oh, they had like an archaic system that just worked, right?
Like levees and...
No.
You know what I mean?
ari shaffir
What if they had like full electronics and like ray guns and stuff?
tom segura
I never considered that.
Never considered that shit, dude.
ari shaffir
You think we have to be the best.
joe rogan
We have to be.
Instead of this, start over, this, start over, and that, start over.
They moved things that were thousands of pounds.
tom segura
It's crazy.
joe rogan
Through the mountains.
ari shaffir
If another 500 years passed from here, how much technology will advance?
If that all gets wiped out, it'll get started over, and we'll be at our level, and they'll be like, well, they were the best advance.
I'm the same way as you.
It doesn't make sense.
joe rogan
Exactly.
Because you think of like a hundred bodies carrying a rock.
ari shaffir
Right.
joe rogan
Yeah.
If we just had to live from now on, the human race evolves from the genes of the preppers.
If that's it, preppers.
People that have fucking bunkers in their fucking backyards and canned peaches and that fucking...
Who's that religious guy that sells survival food on TV? Jim Baker.
Buckets of survival food.
You could use this as a stand for your table.
They're eating at the dinner table with buckets of survival food under it.
tom segura
End of time bucket prep.
joe rogan
Yeah.
If you're one of those dudes, man, and that's all that lives, yeah, these survival...
I mean, how long would it take if one of these dullards in the crowd, look at these dull-minded, gray-brained people?
What is the chance that those people are going to invent the fucking...
ari shaffir
That's your joke.
If I dropped you off in the middle of the woods with a hatchet, how long until you could send me an email?
joe rogan
Yeah.
It would be millions of years.
If you had access to all the tools that people have ever created.
Yeah.
Look at that stone.
Where is that, Jamie?
jamie vernon
Egypt, the unfinished obelisk.
unidentified
Like, in theory, they would have taken it out of there somehow.
joe rogan
So there was an obelisk they cut into the stone, and they had the technology to not only cut that, but unfortunately some of that stone would crack and they would have to abandon it.
But they had to pick it up and move it hundreds of miles.
ari shaffir
Wow.
joe rogan
And they did it routinely.
tom segura
There's no way to, like, grasp that unless you think the technology was other level.
joe rogan
Not only that, dude, there's a lot of evidence that even the Great Pyramid is a more recent creation to some of the older Kingdom work.
The deeper they go into the sand, on some of the structures they'll find, like as they start excavating, that there's another structure underneath it.
And then they uncover that.
And the older they uncover them, it seems like the larger the stones were, the more complex the systems were.
It's wild shit, man.
These people were doing something a long fucking time ago.
And if you listen to guys like Robert Schock, who's a geologist from Boston University, he studied the erosion marks on the outside of the Temple of the Sphinx.
He said this is indicative of thousands of years of rainfall that created this.
That's the way you get these kind of fissures in the stones.
The only time there was rainfall in the Nile Valley was like 9000 BC. So you gotta go back thousands of years that predate that because you have thousands of years of rainfall.
Wind is a rainforest.
All that area, like the Sahara Desert used to be a fucking tropical rainforest.
ari shaffir
Wow.
joe rogan
Like all this shit happened before we were fucking driving diesel trucks and coal plants.
The world has been in a constant state of flux forever.
And that area where they initially established the kingdom of where Giza was and Cairo is and all those areas, that area was lush with resources.
That's probably why they advanced there for so long.
They did some wild shit in this one area that there's wild structures all over the earth that they found.
Nothing compares to what they did in Africa.
Nothing, not one thing, is anything like the Great Pyramid of 2,300,000 stones.
Moved from quarries hundreds of miles away, cut in a perfect position, true north, south, east, and west.
It's fucking wild what they did.
And I think they were probably more advanced than we are.
That's what I think.
tom segura
It has to be.
And when you see it firsthand, like going to Machu Picchu, you know, up in the Andes, you're like, what?
How did they build this up in the mountains?
joe rogan
Just imagine if everything collapsed right now, what people would be like 200 years from now.
There'd be fucking barbarians.
tom segura
Totally.
joe rogan
There'd be walking dead.
Walking dead people.
Living in little groups and tribes trying to stay alive.
And eventually they would rebuild.
But I think it would take forever.
And I think that's what happened.
tom segura
Do you ever think about that, like, you go, technology exists with the same things that were available, like...
Hundreds of years before.
joe rogan
Thousands of years.
ari shaffir
Hundreds of thousand years before.
tom segura
There is nothing new put here.
We just were able to develop a phone.
joe rogan
And every technology builds on the previous technologies.
ari shaffir
Based on someone's invention, someone's invented this, then we go radio waves.
If they didn't tap into that, then that civilization never had radio.
joe rogan
So if someone invents something quicker that's different, like if someone invents nuclear fission, like way early, and everybody's like, whoa, or someone invents cold fusion, Way early.
You're like, okay, well now we've solved this energy problem.
Now we can move in a different direction.
ari shaffir
Or stops plague early.
joe rogan
Yeah, early.
ari shaffir
That allows you to burn.
tom segura
Do you think all the technological stuff that has evolved is with the theory that we are borrowing from what we've taken from basically alien life leaving technology here or giving us hints?
unidentified
Oh, Jesus.
joe rogan
No, I think the alien technology thing is fascinating, but it might be also be bullshit.
You always have to look at all these things that are public and that are talked about and the Pentagon releases things about, might be bullshit.
You always have to think it might be bullshit.
Every time I look at any phenomenon, whether it's UFOs, UAPs, whatever the fuck you want to call them, I always say to myself, if I was the military, And I had some top secret drone program that moved through a totally unique and novel propulsion system that operated on gravity.
And that we figured out how to do this so we can move it around.
And I would be testing in exactly the same places these people were testing.
They were testing in all this restricted airspace where they would run these military drills.
They did it off the East Coast and they did it off the West Coast.
So where they're seeing these things is exactly where the military runs their tests.
I would assume that if I was the military, that's how I would things.
I would hide things.
I would hide things by saying they're UFOs and saying we have no idea what this is.
And if you have top secret programs, which we 100% know they do, and if you have a theory of propulsion that's based on gravity and not on igniting combustible fluids like rocket fuel, which we definitely have, and they have had since I believe the 1950s, they first started theorizing about magnetic propulsion systems.
They probably have been developing this forever.
They've probably been doing it in secrecy, and probably China's doing it as well, and the best way to hide it, I would imagine, would be to say that this is something from another world.
Also, we might be visited by other worlds.
Also, we might be visited by things from other dimensions.
I think it might be all the above, and I don't think you can count out any of it, just because of the fact that we know there's planets.
If we know there's planets, they're far enough away from the sun that the water doesn't boil and nothing freezes.
If they're in that Goldilocks zone, maybe life can develop.
And we know that there's a shitload of those out there.
We've found a bunch of them already.
So if they're out there, we would assume that something would be like us plus 100 years, plus 500 years.
And they would want to go to these other planets and say, look at these crazy fucks with this planet.
Flint tools trying to start fires by knocking sticks together.
And we would say, let's leave our radio.
And I think that's what they do.
And that's what this Diana Posolka was saying about researchers were describing these crashed UFOs as donations.
So if I was from somewhere else, whether it was another dimension or another planet, and I wanted to accelerate the technological innovation by these beings, I would give them fiber optics.
I'd go figure that out, crash this thing, back-engineer it, figure it out, get your brightest minds, lock everybody down, shoot everybody with a big mouth, and figure out how the fuck can make this.
And I think that's what the Bob Lazar story's all about.
tom segura
Bert?
bert kreischer
I was not listening.
I got lost.
I got lost.
unidentified
Yeah.
bert kreischer
It sounds cool.
joe rogan
What'd you get lost in?
bert kreischer
Buddy, when you started with propulsion, I was like...
It's funny.
I felt like I was listening to your podcast.
I know this shit I should learn.
joe rogan
You are while it's happening.
unidentified
I love your brain.
ari shaffir
I just got tired.
tom segura
You want to take a nap?
ari shaffir
I'll take naps.
bert kreischer
Winston Churchill's all about naps.
joe rogan
Is everybody coming to the show tonight?
ari shaffir
Yeah.
tom segura
What time of your show?
joe rogan
7 o'clock?
ari shaffir
I just gotta walk the dog, yeah.
What time is it now?
joe rogan
5.43.
unidentified
Oh, 5.43.
tom segura
Six, basically.
unidentified
Let's fucking go.
tom segura
Let's go?
joe rogan
Let's fucking go.
Let's have some fun.
ari shaffir
Denver, I'm coming.
First week of March.
7th show at it.
joe rogan
Bray, you look depressed.
bert kreischer
No, not at all.
tom segura
Are we going to wear this to the shows?
joe rogan
Yeah, let's wear it to the shows.
Let's just go right to the shows.
bert kreischer
Are we doing a show tonight?
For real?
joe rogan
Yeah.
tom segura
7 o'clock.
bert kreischer
You don't want to do a show?
Sober up.
ari shaffir
What are you talking about?
Oh, yeah, you've never done comedy drunk.
bert kreischer
I've never done comedy drunk.
I have done comedy drunk.
joe rogan
You definitely have done comedy drunk.
ari shaffir
Come a long way to admit that best.
What is that?
joe rogan
I've seen you fiddle with that the whole time.
That is a mammoth ivory handle for a 1911, which is a type of pistol.
ari shaffir
Oh, it goes in like that.
joe rogan
Yeah, you have to get it fit for a 1911. Are we really doing a spot tonight?
What is this really?
Aren't you a professional?
ari shaffir
It's not a big deal.
bert kreischer
I am.
Yeah, I am.
unidentified
You can come and just watch us kill or have a good fucking time.
bert kreischer
I can't not get on stage.
joe rogan
How are you going to take all that shit off in the time that it takes?
ari shaffir
It takes a second.
tom segura
No, keep it on.
bert kreischer
I start off like John Mulaney, like very tactile.
tom segura
Wait, you're going to keep it on, right?
bert kreischer
No.
tom segura
No?
bert kreischer
No, I realized in taking it off, I'm a different person with my shirt off.
ari shaffir
Keep it on.
tom segura
Keep it on for the show tonight.
joe rogan
It's on the spot.
Listen, Clark Kent.
tom segura
We're all going to wear it.
joe rogan
Clark Kent with your stupid glasses.
I know who you are, bitch.
bert kreischer
Clark Kent was the alter ego.
joe rogan
Clark Kent with your stupid glasses.
I know.
It's Superman.
bert kreischer
Superman's this real person.
ari shaffir
Yeah.
joe rogan
Yeah, duh.
What the fuck is this guy doing?
tom segura
Come on.
joe rogan
Don't you think I've watched the TV show?
Don't you think I've read the comic books?
ari shaffir
Same thing with Hulk.
Come on, dude.
joe rogan
Yeah, what are you saying?
tom segura
Don't change.
bert kreischer
I had a really good set with a suit on.
joe rogan
You already have shoulders, bro.
You're jacked.
You don't even have to take your shirt off.
You can still kill.
You can kill with a suit and a tie on.
ari shaffir
Yeah, stuff your shoulders.
joe rogan
I know you love that pop when you take your shirt off, and it is a wild pop.
That's a wild pop, buddy.
We were watching it last Tuesday night.
It's a big pop.
ari shaffir
I had the last recorded...
joe rogan
They're like, is he going to take his shirt off?
You can see they're saying, is he going to take his shirt off?
I remember when he wouldn't take his shirt off in the OR. Like, I don't want to take my shirt off.
unidentified
Not in the OR. Not in the OR. I was young.
joe rogan
Mitzi would not like it.
Do you do it now?
ari shaffir
She would not like it.
bert kreischer
Yeah.
tom segura
Let's get something to eat.
bert kreischer
I'm the only one there.
tom segura
Let's get something to eat.
joe rogan
Oh yeah, you're the only one there.
tom segura
Let's get something to eat and go.
bert kreischer
Want to get something to eat?
tom segura
And go, yeah.
It's 545. Whatever you want.
bert kreischer
I would love Eddie B's.
joe rogan
Let's go to Eddie B's.
bert kreischer
Let's go to Eddie B's.
joe rogan
My gentleman wearing suits.
bert kreischer
I would love Eddie B's.
unidentified
Let's go.
tom segura
Let's go right now.
unidentified
Let's go.
joe rogan
This podcast is over.
tom segura
Love you guys.
joe rogan
I love you too.
Listen, this has been...
ari shaffir
14 months.
joe rogan
For all these years of us doing this, it's been a fucking...
It's been fun.
We've had a good time.
It's been wild fun.
ari shaffir
New civilizations will never have this.
joe rogan
Yeah, I mean, they're going to lock this down.
You know, no network would ever allow it.
No fucking producers would ever bank their mortgage on this being...
They would be like, guys, guys, guys, guys.
Let's talk about what you said there.
ari shaffir
Eddie B's.
joe rogan
You guys admitted a lot of things.
bert kreischer
I love Eddie B's right now.
joe rogan
Let's go eat some steaks!
I love you guys.
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