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Joe Rogan Experience #2084 - Jim Breuer
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joe rogan
What's up, baby?
unidentified
How are you?
jim breuer
It's good to see you, man.
joe rogan
Good to see you too, my friend.
jim breuer
You look all happy and refreshed.
joe rogan
Well, I was on vacation.
Yeah, so I went to the British Virgin Islands for 10 days.
Just chilled.
Went to the beach, did some fishing.
Wonderful time.
Just relaxing.
Just relaxing.
jim breuer
You scuba?
joe rogan
Wonderful.
Do a little snorkeling.
Did some snorkeling.
Scuba kind of freaks me out.
I would do it, but the idea of relying on that tank of air, and you're breathing underwater, and you slowly have to make your way to the surface.
Fuck!
What if something goes sideways?
How long can you hold your breath?
Jesus!
jim breuer
You don't go down that far.
I'm shocked you don't like scuba diving.
joe rogan
It's not whether or not I would like it.
I would absolutely love it.
I'm sure.
It's a whole different world.
Everybody I know that's done it loves it.
It's a whole world.
jim breuer
See, I'm more freaked out by what you do.
If you go snorkeling and you're smacking your feet on the water, I think...
unidentified
Sharks.
jim breuer
Sharks.
Oh my god, he's fucking struggling.
I'm going to get him.
That freaks me out more.
joe rogan
Totally possible.
And happened at a resort where Duncan was staying.
It was either the week before Duncan was there or the week after he left.
I forget which one it was.
But in Maui, this lady got eaten by a tiger shark.
Right out where Duncan was swimming!
He was out there at the same resort, swimming in the water.
And then during the same time frame, somebody got got!
jim breuer
They're everywhere.
joe rogan
They're everywhere.
jim breuer
But, yeah, no.
I'm not a snorkeling fan.
joe rogan
I believe a woman just got killed recently, or a person got killed recently in Maui.
Really?
jamie vernon
Last week, a surfer did.
joe rogan
Surfer?
jamie vernon
But also the week before.
Well, that's just 22. Bro!
joe rogan
They're out there.
Imagine if every year people got killed by werewolves.
Would you ever go to the woods when it was a full moon?
jim breuer
No.
joe rogan
No!
jim breuer
Especially at night time.
No!
During the day I would.
joe rogan
I would go.
jim breuer
During the day?
During the day I'm not worried.
I feel like werewolves ain't gonna mess with you during the day.
joe rogan
Yeah, they'll mess with you.
jim breuer
You think so?
joe rogan
Yeah, they'll follow you until it gets dark.
jim breuer
Yeah, wouldn't they be more excited to freak you out?
joe rogan
It depends on what kind of a werewolf it is.
If it's a dude who knows he's a werewolf and kind of enjoys it, that guy would pick people to turn in front of.
Come over your house.
You know what I mean?
unidentified
Yes.
joe rogan
Like, we always assume that the werewolf is this good guy, and he gets bit, and he's like, shit, I can't believe this.
No!
And then he turns into this monster.
But what if he's a beast of shit?
And what if he knows he's going to be a werewolf, and so he's like, he wants to make it easy, so he just becomes your friend and hangs out with you in the house until the moon turns full.
So this way he's got you in a closed environment.
jim breuer
That's true, and then he can start harvesting your whole damn family.
joe rogan
Yeah, it's easy picking.
jim breuer
Or he brings you all in one at a time.
Yeah, your family live here.
unidentified
He's already fucking scouted the house for silver bullets.
joe rogan
There's no silver bullets in this house.
I'm good.
jim breuer
That's cynical.
joe rogan
Yeah.
jim breuer
But that's a werewolf.
joe rogan
Well, that's human beings too, right?
unidentified
No, you're right.
joe rogan
If you think about someone's decision, if someone makes a decision to go to war, right?
If someone makes a decision to go and think about it, they use propaganda, they'll use a false flag, they'll use misinformation, control of the media, and get a war going that isn't really necessary.
And how many people die from that, right?
And so they just make this decision.
They make this decision knowing that a bunch of people are going to die, that it could be avoided, but if they do do it, it's going to be very profitable.
And you can justify doing it.
And so they do it.
That's werewolf shit, right?
Isn't that werewolf shit?
jim breuer
That is werewolf.
You know what?
That is werewolf shit.
joe rogan
Yeah, that's the evil werewolf shit.
That's the conniving, manipulative, knowing exactly what they're doing werewolf.
jim breuer
That stuff, now listen, I think about that a lot, I do think about that a lot, and I go, that is the purest form of evil.
It's almost like when we were in school, when we were messing around in school, But on a whole fucked up level.
When we're messing around in school and you want two people to fight, you can easily get, dude, a guy calls your mother whore.
joe rogan
Yeah, easy.
jim breuer
So you move stupid, and then you get these two to fight.
These guys are doing it on a fucked up level.
But here's what's weirder.
Even though you tell people that, and you explain that, They still won't react to it, but they'll react to like, we got the gun law!
And you know what?
It's my body, it's my choice!
They'll lose their mind like that, which I'm not debating, but it's amazing how much energy...
And how much planning will go into that, but when you realize werewolves, I like the term werewolf, werewolves that sit and plot and think out how they're going to murder, and then not only murder, but then like...
joe rogan
Steal.
Steal the resources.
jim breuer
Steal and then take over and demonize.
joe rogan
And put little puppet dictators in place.
jim breuer
These guys deserved it!
joe rogan
Look at where they're sheets!
They'll take out democratically elected officials and then replace them with dictators that they support.
jim breuer
Right!
That's wild!
Listen, this freaked me out.
This freaked me out a little bit.
So...
I would do this bit with fucking Muammar Gaddafi, right?
Muammar Gaddafi, and it was true, I did this fake bomb thing.
And everyone always say, ah, Muammar Gaddafi, blah, blah, blah.
And then I found out, because you remember growing up, that whole thing with Libya?
joe rogan
Yeah.
jim breuer
You were like...
unidentified
Muammar Gaddafi, he's a werewolf.
jim breuer
We gotta kill him.
He shot six missiles at a US plane and we fucking bombed him.
And then Clinton came in, killed him, took him out.
Right?
joe rogan
Well, it was during the Obama administration, wasn't it, that he got killed?
I believe it was when Hillary Clinton was Secretary of State that they overthrew Libya.
Is that the case?
Jamie's gonna Google it.
jim breuer
So I see...
joe rogan
But there was like some...
There's always some financial shit to these things.
It's always like trying to get off the US dollar or someone does something crafty.
jim breuer
Well, check this out.
So...
You know, I see Farrakhan.
You know, white people meet like, God damn devil!
Black guy hates white people!
You know, whatever.
They already write them off.
joe rogan
Right.
jim breuer
But I'm listening to him, and he starts talking about why they killed Muammar Gaddafi.
And I'm dumb as a rock.
I think you know that by now.
Basically, he was saying, we're not going to need...
The banking system.
We're not going to need your system, your dollar.
We got our own.
Everyone here educated.
No homeless people.
We pay for everything.
We pay for medical.
We share our revenue.
And we're going to start uniting the whole continent.
I was like, what?
He goes, that's why they killed him.
And he goes on and on and on.
Dude, on my life...
So last year, I went to Tanzania, right?
And, you know, I'm talking to the people there, and I just start going, hey, it was me.
You know Vinnie Brand?
unidentified
Yeah.
jim breuer
I was with Vinnie Brand.
Brought him on safari.
All right, so we're hanging out there, and the guy goes...
I go, hey, man, remember...
We're talking about a lot of things.
We're talking about a lot of things going on in America, but one of the things we hit is Libya.
Muammar Gaddafi.
What did you think of Muammar Gaddafi?
And all of them, they were like, oh, great African, great African, great African.
I'm like, really?
We were told he was like this monster, this terrorist.
Like, we have...
We bombed him.
We were like cheering that we bombed him.
And I said, why was he so good?
He goes, he's good to all the Africans.
He gave us education.
He gave us water.
He gave us all our needs.
And if we couldn't get it here and we went somewhere else, we'd do it for him.
He was very good for Africa.
I said, what happened since he left on my kids' lives?
This guy goes, Libya, worst sex trafficking.
The worst sex trafficking.
So that fucked me.
Now think about that.
We demonize this place.
And we were told one thing.
I'm not saying that's not what it was.
What I'm saying is like, what really happened?
joe rogan
Well, first of all, the state collapsed.
And when the state collapses, criminals take over.
And one of the things that you saw in Libya at one point in time, although I did get some messages through a friend of mine that some Libyan people wanted me to know that Libya, like the cities in Libya, have recovered.
They're not like as crazy as they were.
You know, that might be national pride that they're saying this.
I don't know.
I don't know what the story is.
Maybe they're much better.
Maybe they're judging it on a scale or whatever it was.
But there was YouTube videos of open-air slavery.
So you'd watch people bid on people and you could watch it on YouTube and that was in Libya.
That was after they killed Qaddafi.
Did you ever see the video footage of them killing him?
jim breuer
No.
unidentified
Oh.
joe rogan
Oh, you have to see it.
When the rebels grab hold of Qaddafi, and they realize they have him, and he realizes that they have him, and there's high-resolution cameras now, because this was like 2012, I believe?
Is that when it was?
unidentified
Yeah, yeah.
joe rogan
Somewhere around then?
jamie vernon
It was the end of 2011, yeah.
joe rogan
2011?
You know you could get like high-resolution cameras and so they're filming this guy who was a dictator for years and they finally have captured him and Who knows who's funding them?
Who know how do they get the money?
I'm not exactly sure what the conflict is, but I'm just saying the video of him getting killed is fucking terrifying Because there's a look in his face where he knows there's no way out of this.
He's trying to figure out a way out of this, and he knows there's no way out of this.
And one guy takes a bayonet, like a big, long knife, and shoves it up his ass.
Just shoves it right up his ass while he's standing there, and he barely reacts.
He barely reacts.
He's in such shock that he barely reacts to a knife getting shoved up his ass.
jim breuer
Dude, I remember one time you said, you said, you were talking about chimpanzees.
Like, we're just, it was really funny, but you go, dude, we're just chimpanzees that learn how to talk and lie.
You said something like that.
It was really fucking funny.
joe rogan
I said they learn how to talk and lie?
jim breuer
No, like, we're chimpanzees.
joe rogan
Oh, who learned how to talk and lie.
jim breuer
Yeah.
Now, it could be, but the point of that was...
It really makes it because we think we're so far advanced.
We're much smarter than anything.
joe rogan
Yeah.
jim breuer
We're so much better.
We're better beings.
We're better souls.
joe rogan
We are.
We are.
We really are.
jim breuer
We have the capability.
joe rogan
No, we really are.
We're way better than chimps.
Listen, man, if chimps had nuclear weapons, It would've been over a long time ago!
unidentified
They would've thought about the future.
joe rogan
Fuck the future!
Let's nuke these cunts!
They would've just nuked everybody.
Chips are so ruthless.
They're so ruthless, man.
They don't give a fuck about you.
They have no bad feelings.
They don't have any remorse for fucking people up.
They would be the worst!
We're way, way, way, way better.
We're just not good enough yet.
I was just going to say that we're way better than we used to be.
We're way better than cave people.
We're way better than people from the 70s.
And we have to embrace the fact that we're getting better at life, that human beings are getting better at all these things.
It's just hard.
And the amount of chaos that's going on constantly now is unprecedented because you don't know what the fuck is true or not.
Somehow or another, you and I, Jim Brewer and Joe Rogan, two guys who've known each other, we're friends for 35 years, somehow or another, we have an investment in some fucking war that's happening in Russia and Ukraine.
We have to have a side.
We have to pick.
We have to figure out what's true and what's not.
We have to wade through all the...
How much money?
We have to go, what?
How much money?
There's no way that you know where all that money's going.
jim breuer
There's no way!
unidentified
Well, none of that!
jim breuer
There's too much money!
How crazy do you have to be at this point in your life?
Like, is there anyone walking down the street going, we really, really gotta fucking stop Russia from killing the...
We gotta...
Like, who the fuck is still thinking that way?
It's mind-boggling to me.
joe rogan
Well, we can't be the policeman of the world, but we should do what we can to stop people that are doing something that's horrific.
But we also shouldn't be involved in things that are violating agreements, where we're, like, pushing arms closer and closer to Russia's border.
Like, all these things are true.
So just, like, all these things are true simultaneously, and everybody wants only one side to be true.
jim breuer
Yeah.
joe rogan
That's all they want.
They want their position to be correct.
jim breuer
It's not.
unidentified
No, that Russia thing is messy.
joe rogan
Of course, it's horrible that Russia attacked Ukraine.
But also, it's kind of fucked that NATO kept fucking with these guys and trying to bring them in and moving arms closer to Russia.
jim breuer
It's like, hey man, I get you guys got your little toys and stuff.
Just do me a favor.
Let's have an agreement.
Don't go past here, right?
joe rogan
Yeah.
jim breuer
You guys promise?
We'll shake on it.
We'll shake on it.
You want to sign?
Let's sign.
And then a month later, they're like, dude, why are you moving the...
I thought we agreed.
Werewolves.
joe rogan
Werewolves.
jim breuer
Now, you just said, we're not that far off from monkeys, and then 10 minutes before that, you talked about the guy shoving a fucking...
unidentified
Dude, that's barbaric!
You know what Chimps would have done to him?
joe rogan
Chimps would have been way worse.
Chimps would have gone fingers first.
Just start chopping off fingers.
They would have bit his dick off.
jim breuer
No, you're right.
joe rogan
Chimps would have been more worse.
The knife up the asshole is probably the best way for that guy to go.
Well, I think we're still way better than what we used to be.
We're way better than lower primates.
What I think is we're in the process of reaching another level.
And I think it's very messy and very complicated.
And that's where all this AI comes in.
And that's where the internet comes in.
That's where social media comes in.
That's where all this outrage culture comes in.
It comes in from an unprecedented amount of opinions.
There's so much that's fucking up the noise from the actual data, because there's so many human beings that can talk simultaneously now, and the ones who want to talk the most generally are the fucking dumbest.
Right?
They're the ones that have the time to be spewing shit out on social media all day because they're distracting themselves from whatever they really should be doing with their life.
It's a psychological thing.
The type of person that gets completely addicted to arguing with people on Twitter all day, that person is for sure distracting themselves from something they should have been doing.
jim breuer
And you're arguing against something.
You don't even know who they are.
You don't know how old they are.
You don't know how they're dressed.
joe rogan
So many of them.
And they're the primary users of these angry, aggressive social media platforms.
And so you get a distorted perception of what's happening with human beings.
But it's colliding with people that are pushing back against that.
It's colliding with people that are opening their eyes to the amount of The amount of corruption, the amount of bullshit, the amount of lies you're being told, the amount of money that's being made by these fucking people that are supposed to be making $170,000 a year.
jim breuer
It's just slavery!
It's different forms of slavery.
joe rogan
I don't know if it's...
it's control.
jim breuer
In my opinion.
joe rogan
It's control.
It's control.
It's human beings controlling human beings, and they can do it by tricking you.
And they can trick you into thinking they're with you, they're with trans kids, and they're woke, and they're this and that.
I'm telling you, they're werewolves.
That's a trick to get you to come fucking hang out in the cafeteria until the moon comes up.
jim breuer
That's what that is.
In the movies, where do they do the werewolves?
In the movies.
How do we get rid of werewolves, though?
joe rogan
They shoot them with silver bullets.
Except American Werewolf in London, I think they just use regular bullets, which makes more sense.
Because why should you need a silver bullet?
What are we doing here?
jim breuer
Yeah, we don't need a silver bullet.
But we've clarified they are werewolves.
joe rogan
There's a kind of thing that's different than you, okay?
If you're an architect and you're listening to this, you really love NPR and you drive an electric car, I bet you're a good guy.
You probably have low T, but they can fix that now.
If you're listening to this, you could imagine a type of a person that exists at the same time that you do that's capable of being such a sociopath that That they will just lie to the world in a well-formed out manner that they know is going to cause a war,
that they know is going to let public support be behind, because they've been lied to, behind a military campaign that's going to result in untold hundreds of thousands of deaths, possibly, like Iraq.
So we know that wasn't that long ago.
We know that they lied about weapons of mass destruction.
They talked about it incessantly on television.
They lied and got everyone's support behind Iraq.
Which didn't even make any sense.
jim breuer
Zero sense.
joe rogan
It made zero sense.
But we were so riled up.
We were like a dog that, like, someone's been fucking throwing rocks at the dog and then they open the gate and another kid gets bit because he just happened to be there.
jim breuer
Yeah, and it's also, it's the guy in the corner like, oh my god!
See what happened?
What the fuck happened?
What the fuck happened?
And if you just question, like, whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa.
Why are we going, what are you fucking, are you not American?
You don't want to fight the terror?
And he made the move.
That's where Bush came in.
He's like, make sure you let the world know how powerful we really are, George.
And you let them know that this is the If you don't trust the New World Order, then we shall declare war now.
And he went, you're either with us or you're with them.
And what he was really saying, now you're either with the werewolves or the non-werewolves.
Get Muammar Gaddafi.
You want to be on this team?
Show that shit in his ass.
Is this what you want?
joe rogan
Right.
unidentified
Dude.
joe rogan
They had us back then.
That was mission accomplished.
unidentified
That was when they thought they won.
jim breuer
We kept going on for like 10 more years.
joe rogan
And the problem with that is what 9-11 exposed that was great was that there is real patriotism when things go sideways.
That people will come together, and I swear to God, to people that are listening to this, that weren't an adult during that time, I swear to God, there was a noticeable, more positive change in the way people interacted with people.
Especially the way people treated cops and firemen.
I remember when I was in New York City after 9-11, and these firemen were hanging out with us outside in front of this comedy club, and it was like hanging out with stars.
Like, it was like, these are like the local stars on the hockey team or something like that.
Everybody was like, wow, here's a fireman.
Like, it was totally different, man.
Firemen were getting laid like crazy, they were telling me.
Women wanted to fuck heroes.
They wanted to fuck real heroes because those are the people that really did risk their lives going in to save people when fucking buildings collapsed.
jim breuer
Sire!
unidentified
This is causing the opposite effect that we wanted.
jim breuer
Two dudes tell me.
They are uniting!
And they're treating them as heroes!
unidentified
Imagine what we're saying.
jim breuer
They're becoming dangerous with their pride and their patriotism.
joe rogan
What we're saying worst case scenario...
unidentified
Demonize them.
joe rogan
What we're saying worst case scenario is...
That they not only knew that those planes are going to hit the towers, but that they planned for it.
jim breuer
And they planned the counterattack.
joe rogan
And they allowed it to happen.
That's the scariest of all the conspiracy theories.
And I'm not saying that that's what happened.
I think much more likely there's a lot of things that happened that were incompetence.
I think getting that many people to keep their mouth shut about a plan where planes are going to slam into the World Trade Center.
Boy, that seems sketchy.
That seems like people would come out.
But I think one thing they absolutely do do is when shit goes down, they take advantage of it.
jim breuer
Well, to the point where you just said, the media was so powerful.
Don't forget they were on all cylinders.
All cylinders.
joe rogan
There was no social media back then.
jim breuer
Right.
No social media.
All you could do is go on.
I remember being in a pub.
I was in Chester, New Jersey.
I don't know.
I went, pub.
Where the fuck did that come from?
I was in a pub.
joe rogan
Where did that come from?
jim breuer
So, I don't know.
So I was in a pub, Chester, New Jersey, and I was talking about the Towers, and I didn't want to say, I didn't believe.
I said, man, I just got a lot of questions.
You don't think it was weird?
They just pancake straight down?
I thought that was a miracle.
And then the second one, I'm like, wait a minute.
And the reaction from that person was, what are you fucking one of those anti-American?
He wanted to kill me.
So what I'm saying is...
You couldn't question anything at that time.
If you dared question, they would immediately have you.
Even the most popular newscasters that people love today because they're on certain sides, they were selling it hard.
And to me, I never forgot that.
They were selling death.
They were selling murder.
They were selling war.
And, bro...
You couldn't question anything.
They had that counterattack ready to go.
And so when people go, you told me this was a secret?
Yeah, man.
When you control all that, that's pretty powerful when you want to make violence.
I question it and this guy wanted to fucking be violent against me.
And I was just like, I'm just...
joe rogan
It's crazy to be violent.
unidentified
You don't think it's weird.
joe rogan
It's crazy to be violent about an opinion like that because it's not an offensive opinion.
It's not an offensive, but first of all, it's slightly ignorant, right?
Because the thing about Tower 1 and Tower 2 specifically is they didn't fall like a controlled demolition at all.
They fell like a building that was collapsing.
But Tower 7 fell like a building into its base.
That one's extraordinary.
That one's extraordinary.
And that one absolutely looks like a controlled demolition.
I am not saying it's a controlled demolition.
What I am saying is the way it collapsed...
It went into its base just like a controlled demolition.
And if you don't agree with that, then you're talking nonsense.
If you don't agree with the fact that that looks like a controlled demolition, then we really can't talk because you're dealing in fantasy world.
Because it undeniably looks exactly like a controlled demolition.
That doesn't mean it was.
First of all, one thing that doesn't look like a controlled demolition is the top of it.
You see it cave in long before the whole building collapses.
So there was a structural collapse that you can see from the video that most people aren't aware of.
If you see the top of it before the whole building comes down, see that top?
See that dark thing on the top?
That thing goes first.
Now watch how that goes.
Yeah, just play it.
So what apparently was going on, there's diesel generators in that building.
See if you could play...
I want to see the thing.
I think it was even before that, Jamie.
I think it was a larger thing that went under first, that collapsed first.
That's it.
See that?
Okay, there it goes.
So that collapses.
So there's obviously the internal structures gone.
So this thing collapsing like that doesn't throw me off as much, having seen that.
Because I don't know jack shit about construction.
jim breuer
Who does?
joe rogan
But I do know that construction companies are shady as fuck upon occasion.
And...
If you're supposed to use X, but you can use W, it's going to be fine.
unidentified
These fucking structural engineers, they all want extra thick steel.
joe rogan
We're good with this.
We got five rivets instead of six.
And then you're saving millions and millions of dollars.
Look, man, I lived in Boston during the time of the Big Dig.
Do you remember the Big Dig?
jim breuer
What is the Big Dig?
The Big Dig!
joe rogan
The Big Dig was a fucking construction project that was the most corrupt construction project that's ever existed.
It was supposed to last like a couple years.
It went on for decades.
These guys milked it.
They would be like working like this.
jim breuer
It's like New York and Boston.
joe rogan
The Big Dig, it was supposed to, it started in 1982 when I lived there.
It ended in 2007. It was supposed to take like two years.
They just fucking milked it and a bunch of people went to jail.
There's a bunch of lawsuits.
Oh yeah!
Fucking full-on corruption.
jim breuer
How come they don't look at the LIE on Long Island?
It's been under construction since I was a child!
joe rogan
Forever!
Well, here's another thing.
When you pay tolls, the tolls on a bridge were supposed to be to compensate for the money that it took to build the bridge.
unidentified
Right.
joe rogan
But once they have all the money to build the bridge, they're like, fuck, you pay me.
Just keep paying me.
jim breuer
And where's that money going?
unidentified
Just keep paying me.
joe rogan
Well, it goes into the state.
And then the state can make the government bigger.
jim breuer
Whee!
joe rogan
And we have more people that can go after you if you don't pay!
jim breuer
Here's another law.
Pay!
joe rogan
Do you know that more government jobs have been created over the last, I forget what the time period was, than any other sector?
Any other things going on?
jim breuer
But see, Joe, little things like this, what drives me nuts too is, you know what it is?
I think people's emotions, it's just people's emotions are still with it.
They're either in denial, or they don't want to face the dark, or they picked a team, and no matter what that team says, the other team is wrong.
It's, hey, I'm an Eagles fan!
joe rogan
Well, first of all, you have to have a lot of looking into things before you form a realistic perspective of what's happening.
It takes a long time, man, and a lot of people don't have that time.
We're lucky that we're comics, and we have a lot of time.
jim breuer
Yeah.
joe rogan
You know, being a stand-up, especially.
You know, the podcast kind of gets in the way of that because I have to sit down and talk to people for a few hours.
But if you're a stand-up, for the most part, you can do whatever the fuck you want during your day, right?
And if you want to freak out, you want to get online and freak out, you want to go full Dave Smith.
Dave Smith's out there reading studies and papers and fucking historical accounts of false flag events and what was really going on in Nicaragua.
Like, holy shit, man.
That rabbit hole is filled with werewolves.
jim breuer
It's a lot of werewolves.
The human past.
I do this once in a while.
Once in a while, I'll be like, okay, I'm going too deep in there.
And then I go, oh, I don't have that much.
They don't care about me.
What am I talking about?
joe rogan
Of course they care about you.
You're funny.
You're funny and you make good points and you're against the narrative.
You know, but we should all be against the narrative.
We should figure out what the truth is and forget about the narrative.
Forget about your ideology.
You don't have to do it.
You don't have to do it.
I know everybody thinks they have to do it because you got to be on a team and everybody wants to be on a team that's supported by them and it's like we're progressive and we this and we that and we got to stop meat consumption and we got to stop and you have all these things that you probably haven't looked at at all and you're married to them.
Because you're committed to this fucking group of people.
I'm telling you, most people exist here.
They exist here in this beautiful swamp of both conservative and liberal.
Conservative on things that are important like taking care of your family and paying your taxes and getting your fucking...
being on time for work and getting your shit done.
But liberal in terms of consideration for all people.
Whatever your sexual orientation is.
We're friends.
We're all just humans.
I want you to be happy.
I want everybody to be educated.
I want everybody to have good health care.
I want everybody to be in a position where they're not in a place that's filled with crime and murder.
I want all those things.
But I know that if you're going to want to have those things, now you've got to support law enforcement.
And you've got to train the shit out of them.
And you've got to pay them more.
And you've got to make it a more respectable job.
And then you have to go to the inner cities.
You can't just allow it to stay the way it is forever.
That's a national security problem.
What is national security?
The security of the citizens.
If there's less crime, we're more secure.
The fact that you're not doing fucking jack shit about that, but you're sending hundreds of billions of dollars to deal with conflict on another part of the world.
This is insanity.
That's insanity.
And it only works if you get on a team.
It only works if you support a team.
jim breuer
There's no reason to be on a team.
There's no reason to be on any team.
joe rogan
No reason.
No reason.
jim breuer
We're way more powerful than that as individuals uniting with this incredible energy.
joe rogan
Also, you can learn things.
If you close your fucking head and you don't listen to anything that people on the other side say, You're going to miss stuff.
You're going to miss a lot of stuff.
You're going to be wrong.
You're going to have a stupid, egotistical perspective of things that's not necessary.
You're going to unfairly malign people's character because they have an opposing philosophy or an opposing ideology.
And that's bad for everybody.
We have to, if we're going to move forward as human beings and as a society and as a civilization, we have to be nicer to each other.
We have to just accept the fact that your ideas are not you.
Do not be married to your ideas and debate them in an open way and talk about stuff in an open way where you're a good person, you're talking to another, and do it all in good faith.
And if we can all agree to do that, we'll find out that there's way more we have in common.
Way more we have in common.
And that's what we should be concentrating on.
And there's also some fucking undeniable problems with the way our society is run that have never been addressed in terms of crime and inner city problems and infrastructure.
There's corruption, at least in the form of incompetence.
And it's the thing that happens when you get government bigger and bigger and bigger, and I hate to sound like a fucking libertarian, but if you get government bigger and bigger...
jim breuer
You're just talking honesty.
joe rogan
It's a business.
And if it's a business that doesn't have any competition, you can't even hire the public sector to compete and do a better job of all those things.
All those things have to be taken care of by the government.
Are we fucking sure?
Because in every other sector of life...
jim breuer
That's right.
joe rogan
When you allow people to compete, whether it is with art or with fucking construction, whether it's surgeons, the best ones are the ones that people want to go to.
And it forces people to get better at everything.
And you have a much more efficient system.
I mean, look, imagine if there was businesses out there that they failed their audit six years in a row.
jim breuer
Right.
joe rogan
Money was just missing.
Sorry, money's missing.
Don't know what happened.
jim breuer
A thousand bucks.
joe rogan
And we just accept it.
Hey, you know those guys over at Kellogg's?
They just, the fucking cereal's everywhere.
They don't know what's going on.
Eh, some money's missing here and there.
Whatever!
jim breuer
It's fucking cereal!
Hey!
Hey, climate change!
Climate change!
How much did we give them this year?
Three trillion?
What'd you come up with?
We're gonna have an ice age.
So they fucked up!
Couple trillion?
Let's give him another trillion, let him figure it out for the next ten years.
joe rogan
Randall Carlson scared the shit out of me when he was talking to me about climate change.
jim breuer
What he said.
joe rogan
He said, it was really funny because I had a friend of mine who reached out to me and she said, did you have a climate denier on your podcast?
I said, no, I did not have a climate change denier.
jim breuer
A trained word, by the way.
joe rogan
He's an expert in asteroidal impacts and the Younger Dryas impact theory, which is the impact theory that ended civilization, allegedly.
The theory is that it did.
But the point is, he was telling me that we've had periods of global warming all throughout the history of the Earth.
The real fear, he said, is the periods of global cooling.
He said global cooling should terrify you.
And he was explaining to me the amount of carbon that is in the atmosphere and that it's a very delicate balance and that when the amount of carbon dips below a certain number, life can't survive.
There's no plant life.
So the plant life can't survive, then the animals can't survive.
And we've gotten close to that in the past without any human intervention.
We've also gotten close to the point where during the Ice Age, there was so little oxygen on Earth, like the atmosphere was different.
It was getting to the point where it was almost, like if it got a certain amount colder, it would not be able to support life.
jim breuer
Okay.
joe rogan
On the planet.
But that's the scary one.
The scary one is the Ice Ages, kids.
That's the scary.
The scary one is not, you gotta move north.
The scary one is there is no north to move to, because everything's frozen.
jim breuer
Yeah, but we're all here on borrowed time.
joe rogan
That's true, too.
jim breuer
So who are we to say...
Who's to prevent that?
If it happened before we existed as humans, it's going to happen no matter what.
So what are you going to prepare?
You spend your whole life preparing for something you don't know it's A, ever going to happen, B, completely out of any human's control.
I mean...
joe rogan
There's got to be some steps that you can make.
So one of the things you could do is, I think, during the Ice Age, there was parts of the Earth that were not covered in ice.
And I think it was like all the equator.
And I think you would probably for human beings to survive we'd have to go south Which totally makes sense If you think about the amount of insane stuff that came out of the Amazon, just think about that culture, the Amazon culture and all the incredible structures that they're finding now deep in the jungle and that there's real evidence that the density of the forest, the amount of trees that are grown that are agriculture trees that are in the forest seems to indicate that that whole thing was man-made.
There's a type of soil called terra preta.
That's this soil that they developed that we don't know how to reproduce and it's a soil that replicates.
It's filled with like this biomass and it's like this incredibly rich soil that has like this certain ratio of carbon and they made it.
These people thousands and thousands of years ago made it and it supports the life of the Amazon.
Like that whole fucking place is wild man.
jim breuer
I know.
joe rogan
That, you think about it, when everything was frozen up here, like there was a fucking mile-high sheet of ice over most of North America up until like 10,000, 11,000 years ago.
So when all that stuff was like that down there, they were chilling.
Down there, they didn't have that problem.
There was like regular temperature for them.
What we are is like Antarctica is right now.
That's how we were at one point in time, right here.
jim breuer
Well...
I can't go that far back, because anything I can't truly imagine, I'll start to go there, and I'm like, you know, like dinosaurs and all that stuff.
Like, you know, 40 million dollars!
But I will say this, this bugged me out.
And, you know, I start seeing how they did the World Fair, how they just build the whole damn thing up.
joe rogan
Yeah, and they tore it down.
jim breuer
Now, in a very small concept, I was sitting in this development that I live in now, and I'm sitting and I'm looking because everyone said, oh, dude, we used to hunt on here and bring our four-wheelers and blah, blah, blah.
And then I started just realizing...
This entire community, there's like a thousand houses, the palm trees, and the grass, and it was all just created, like a movie set.
joe rogan
Yep.
jim breuer
Just completely created.
And as crazy as, you know, and there's armadillos, as crazy as that sounds, they're like, oh, so what?
I always go, well, if you can do that...
Why couldn't you do it ten to a thousand times bigger?
And how long have you been doing that?
How long...
Dude, it started...
And I'm just sitting on a bench.
I was going far out there.
But yeah, it's simple if you really think about it.
joe rogan
That's what the people want to eliminate half the population are thinking.
They're thinking there's too many people.
jim breuer
Werewolves?
The werewolves.
joe rogan
Yeah.
There's a lot of people that are...
They're elitists as well.
There's a lot of elitists that have this perspective that we need to lessen the population, including brilliant people.
Like that woman who works with the apes.
jim breuer
Oh, yes!
joe rogan
What is her name?
jim breuer
The one that was the chimps.
joe rogan
She's amazing.
What is her name, man?
jim breuer
She had a great documentary.
Jane.
Jane Goodall.
joe rogan
Jane Goodall.
jim breuer
Dude, she had a great documentary, and then I heard her say she brought up the population control.
joe rogan
She wants less people.
Yeah.
I think that's unfortunate, but I think also she's saying that because she lives with monkeys.
She's out of her fucking mind.
Like, this lady's living with chimpanzees all day.
Also, as brilliant and as amazing as this woman is, she also believes in Bigfoot.
And she's convinced that it exists.
jim breuer
Come on.
joe rogan
Oh yeah, play that.
Play that clip.
jim breuer
Come on.
jamie vernon
It's just saying that she had quotes that were mistaken.
joe rogan
Oh, okay.
jamie vernon
I was just checking.
joe rogan
Well, she said without any suffering.
She said it in a very kind way, to reduce the world population.
I heard her say that.
Missing context, this misrepresents Goodall's remarks and is not a real quote.
While she did say many of the world's environmental problems would be relieved if the population was that of 500 years ago, she did not advocate for depopulation efforts.
I didn't think she said she was advocating for depopulation efforts.
unidentified
No.
joe rogan
But what she was saying was that the world has too many people.
jim breuer
Yes.
joe rogan
But she was not saying that people should die.
And she's saying, like...
But you know what I mean?
Like, that is...
But hold on.
That's a valid thought.
Like, even if you love people and you're not an evil person, that is a valid thought.
That without any pain and suffering, it would be better if there were less people.
That's a valid thought.
It really is.
Like, if there was less people, there would be less congestion, people would be more relaxed, it'd be more resources, it'd be easier to get along, it'd be more balanced on Earth.
That is true.
She is right.
But the problem with that thought is, if you start expressing it, then people start saying, I think we can make that happen.
And then there's werewolves get involved.
And werewolves get involved and go, you know, if we did do this and if along the way we instituted a social credit score and tied up all the money in centralized digital currency and then attached a carbon tax.
To everything everybody does.
We basically limit their behavior.
We'd be in troll of the entire thing.
And then people start dying.
People die.
Hey man, climate change is killing people.
I don't know if you know, a lot of kids are having heart attacks due to climate change.
unidentified
We could start finding more universities and start popping them up worldwide.
jim breuer
This is a worldwide situation.
joe rogan
When you see stories like that, like young people are going to have heart attacks due to climate change.
I've seen those.
Like, yeah, yeah.
Anything else?
Anything else give kids heart attacks?
Thanks for writing that article.
I'll be sure to make sure that the kids get water when it gets hot out if they're running.
Anything else give them heart attacks that you guys ever found?
Have you been looking around?
unidentified
Nope, nothing.
joe rogan
Nothing over here, just climate change.
Okay.
So, like, what is the uptick in the amount of kids having heart attacks?
And is it corresponding to a certain temperature rise?
It seems like that would be, like, scientifically, you could measure that.
If there was an uptick and the temperature raised 1%, and we saw a 10% increase in heart attacks amongst 18-year-olds...
jim breuer
Which is happening, right?
joe rogan
I don't know what the number is, but I do know that...
jim breuer
It has been happening.
What the heck is that all about?
joe rogan
The number of deaths is what's the spooky one.
Because the all-cause mortality spiked way up.
That's what's freaky.
That's a freaky one.
That's a freaky one.
And you could attribute, and you have to be really fair about that, you could attribute that to a bunch of different things.
First of all, you could attribute it to bad habits that people picked up during COVID. That will take up a certain percentage of them.
A lot of people became alcoholics during COVID. A lot of people did.
So that's a percentage.
And then you have to think about a percentage of people that got COVID and got fucking wrecked.
Because I know some people that got wrecked.
jim breuer
Same.
joe rogan
They got wrecked.
And they were, you know, compromised after that.
They got on different medications after that.
I know some of them that developed all sorts of, like, lung problems and scarring in the lungs.
Like, some people got hit hard.
So there's that.
And this is not even vaccine talk.
Just COVID itself.
jim breuer
Yep.
joe rogan
And then there's...
There's people that have adverse reactions to the vaccine.
There's people that unquestionably had autoimmune issues after they got it.
Now, what is that from?
Has that been fully discussed?
Or is it climate change?
jim breuer
It could be climate change.
joe rogan
Are we just going to go climate change on everything?
jim breuer
Too much breathing.
joe rogan
I'm willing to go climate change with you.
I'm totally interested in hearing what everybody has to say about climate change.
jim breuer
I think it's capable of giving heart attacks.
joe rogan
But I want a full conversation.
And if there's a part of the...
If you're looking at all the variables, and there's one that you're ignoring specifically...
One that's a novel medical intervention, never been tried before, and it was done to hundreds of millions of people.
You won't look at that one?
jim breuer
That's a fair assessment.
You're putting it out there.
joe rogan
I think all humans should do that.
And I think the problem is, during the pandemic, a couple things happened.
One, people looked at the people that were unwilling to get vaccinated as people that are going to fuck it up for all of us.
And the people that got vaccinated, they probably were a little nervous about it, but they took the risk and they felt like they did the right thing.
And you didn't do the right thing.
And that's valid.
That's a totally valid position to take.
But, the problem with that position is, you're being trapped into, you got corralled into a very clear pathway, there's one solution to this problem, and we all have to do this thing to get to that one solution, and once we do, we're gonna be fine.
But somewhere along the way, if you're paying attention, you would realize that A, it doesn't work as advertised.
B, the studies they did never indicated any of the things that they were promoting, like that it prevents you from getting it or it stops infection or that it stops transmission.
No, nothing.
There's nothing on that.
There's zero on that.
And so along the way, they lowered the expectations.
They lowered what you would get from it.
It's just going to keep you out of the hospital.
I mean, there's this clip of Joy Behar arguing with this lady from a long time ago when the lady said she had natural immunity because she already had COVID and she got over it before the vaccine came out.
And she's not going to take the vaccine.
And they're berating her.
jim breuer
Joy Behar?
Werewolf.
joe rogan
Berating her.
jim breuer
No, it just doesn't know.
unidentified
I'm saying werewolf.
joe rogan
She just doesn't know.
And very ideologically locked into a position.
It's a women's talk show.
It's in front of the public.
It's on a television network.
There's so many variables that would lead to you not being able to not only not express yourself in a clear and objective way, but not even be able to look at the world through a clear, objective way.
Because it jeopardizes your income.
It jeopardizes your position as one of those people.
You get locked into a certain kind of thinking, even if you're already inclined to think that way.
jim breuer
I agree with you a thousand percent, but we all cross that path, and it's easier for some than others, and I understand the whole world of being there.
joe rogan
Yeah.
jim breuer
And I'm not saying I'm better or anyone's better, but you can't tell me at one moment in your life, when you're saying the things you're saying, whether it's on a certain television show or whatever, and you know, you know.
unidentified
Ooh!
Ooh!
jim breuer
Do you still want to be able to call that restaurant when it's busy season?
While it's packed?
joe rogan
Yeah, you know.
jim breuer
So, I get it.
Yeah, the money's beautiful, the fame's beautiful.
We all love what we're doing on every level.
joe rogan
People's opinions are very pliable, whether you believe it or not.
That's how cults get started.
They trick you into thinking a very specific way.
That's how cults get started.
Human beings, we're pliable.
And the best way to resist that Is to not be married to your ideas.
Don't be married to them.
Be you.
Like, you should have a core set of values.
You love your family, you love your friends, try to be a good person, do your best at whatever it is that you do.
That's the core.
All that other stuff, these ideas, you gotta look at them for what they really are.
And sometimes you get the wrong one stuck in your head and then you identify with it and you defend it, even when it's wrong.
And I've seen brilliant people fall down that path, especially during the pandemic, especially in regards to the vaccines or the lockdowns or the severity of the virus for people that are healthy.
There's a lot of variables that were ignored that shouldn't have been ignored if we're going to be honest with each other.
So the problem is, you are one side or the other.
You are team vaccine or you're team pure blood.
You know?
jim breuer
Right.
joe rogan
And the pure bloods got locked into like MAGA and fucking hillbillies.
jim breuer
Yes.
Dude, I keep going around in circles and I hang out with every gang.
I love every gang.
Everybody's got something to offer, which is why I think that's how we'll grow.
You don't have to join here, you don't join here.
But...
The more I see, the more groups that are formed...
You know, I remember being a kid.
You know what the greatest time was?
And my mom and dad were both working.
I'd be in the kitchen like a little kid.
And I remember Mary.
Mary's the lady watching me.
And all the neighbors would come over.
And this one's talking about divorce.
I don't know what they were talking about.
And this one had whatever.
And everyone would get together.
And they're like...
You know, years ago, therapists would call friends, family, and look after each other.
You didn't have people, well, you had people nursing homes, but I remember going over my friend's house, like, listen, we go to the house, my grandma's in the basement, she, you know, she dribbles and talks weird shit.
And it's like, well, she had dementia.
But that's what We've lost...
For me, what COVID did was...
It was the way the werewolves...
I say it's the werewolves.
The werewolves went, this is how we really rip the families apart.
Because everybody has fear in them.
And everyone in your family has...
Every human being has fear in them.
And they're testing...
The more the werewolves get to test your fear factor...
The stronger they become because they see who buckles.
They see who's gonna call.
They see how many people.
They see who's splashing out.
They see how many people wearing a mask at the airport.
So they're measuring the fear.
joe rogan
Yeah.
jim breuer
You know, man, I just, I pray to God, it just becomes time for the fearless.
And what the fearless is, it's not a violent fight.
It's just, you've said some brilliant things.
I remember years ago, you're talking about like, dude, this is the time of the truth.
And it really resonated like, yes!
That's what we need in life, just truth, just honesty, just looking after each other.
joe rogan
I think we're going to get there.
jim breuer
Oh, I know we're getting there, but we've got to be aware of the werewolves.
joe rogan
Yeah, well, we've got to be aware of the werewolves who are trying to close the gate.
They're trying to close the gate before human beings without these enormous institutions.
Human beings have the power over the narrative.
And that human beings that you trust are real.
They do exist.
They just don't exist in those systems.
They exist independently for the most part.
And they're real.
And they can tell you what's actually going on.
And it'll shock you.
But it shouldn't if you understand history.
Do you know what the number one group of people in the beginning of the pandemic when they rolled out the vaccines?
Number one group that had vaccine hesitancy?
PhDs.
unidentified
Hmm.
joe rogan
Find that.
Find that.
There was an article that I was reading.
I hope it's true.
That in the beginning, there's a lot of PhDs that were like...
Because these are people that understand how these studies are funded, probably, or at least understand how research is done and how research is done through the pharmaceutical drug companies.
So the pharmaceutical drug companies, they do their own research.
And then when something's peer-reviewed, they don't even get access to the raw data.
They get access to the assessment of the data by the pharmaceutical companies.
And the pharmaceutical companies can do 10 studies, and they rig their studies in a way.
They get the most biased results.
And if eight of them show no benefit, but one or two of them shows a little bit of a benefit, then they can roll out.
and then they start making So I think PhDs were very aware of that system and aware of the also if you're if you understand human psychology You're aware of what happens to people in a time of great angst and pressure that they panic and And in every horror movie you see this, people fall apart.
And the weaker you can make society, the more corrupted you can make society, the more decadent you can make society, the more society that doesn't value discipline, that doesn't value free will, that doesn't value people's independence and strength and health.
Well, then you'll be able to find more suckers when the shit goes sideways.
You're gonna get more pussies.
You're gonna get more people that are willing to sell out their neighbors because they were having a party and they weren't socially distancing.
You get a lot of fucking suckers.
Because it's too easy to live today.
And it's too easy to develop until a fully formed adult that is made out of mush.
Not just mush with your body, but mush with your mind, mush with your opinions, mush with your will, your will to get things done, your will to work, your discipline to get up and get things done.
Those aren't frivolous things.
Those aren't things that you should ever equate to toxic masculinity or toxic feminine energy.
Those are powerful human traits and you've been tricked.
You've been tricked into thinking that weakness is a virtue.
It's not.
Kindness is a virtue.
And kindness through strength is the most honest kindness.
When Francis Ngannou's being nice to you, it's because he wants to be nice to you.
You know what I'm saying?
jim breuer
Yes!
joe rogan
That's a real...
When he's kind, it's real kindness.
They found 23.9% of the people who said they hold PhD degrees express hesitancy, the highest rate amongst the various levels of education.
So the brightest people were like, yeah.
jim breuer
Think about what you said before, like with, okay, where the view or whoever was saying points, it's in due defense, This is a very addictive system they created, that the werewolves created, and that they, I mean, it starts when we're young.
So not a whole lot of people have time to break out of that, in my opinion.
joe rogan
Also, the people who watch them are all boomers, and they grew up with all their information on the newspapers or on television.
jim breuer
You know what I call it?
Someone taught me this.
joe rogan
Hold on a second.
What does it say?
jim breuer
Sorry.
joe rogan
A sensitivity analysis found some people answered in the extreme ends of the demographic categories to throw off some of the numbers.
King said it appeared to be a concerted effort that did make the hesitancy prevalence in the PhD group look higher than it really is.
So what kind of concerted effort would it be?
Are they saying that they asked them in a way that was deceptive?
They either expressed hesitancy or they didn't.
jamie vernon
It was an early study in 2021 that, you know, there wasn't a lot of studies going on yet.
joe rogan
Well, I'll tell you how you could get a study like that.
This is how you do it.
You do it while Trump's president.
If you did that shit while Trump's president, you know how many people were hesitant?
Including Kamala Harris, Joe Biden, everyone.
They were all saying, who's going to take it?
They're all saying, who's going to take it?
They were all saying that.
jim breuer
Every single one of them.
joe rogan
See if you can find a video of that.
jim breuer
I remember Kamala going, why would you take that?
I wouldn't trust the government.
joe rogan
The Trump?
You're going to take the Trump vaccine?
unidentified
If Trump's in a fucking lab coat, imagine.
jim breuer
The devil of a human being.
joe rogan
He's got a hairnet on and a fucking lab coat and he's fixing up vaccines.
jim breuer
And maybe we can have hydroxychloroquine.
Don't kill anyone related to hydroxychloroquine!
joe rogan
There was a recent study that they just released that said that as many as 17,000 people worldwide died of hydroxychloroquine.
So I asked Robert Kennedy Jr. about this.
And he sent me the actual study, and he sent me what the results were, and here's what was wrong with them.
First of all, they administered it to people that were already in the hospital for COVID. You're supposed to give it to people within the first 10 to 14 days.
That's when it's effective.
After that, it's not effective.
After the infections reach a certain level.
Second of all, there is a level that you would give these people, and this was far above that level, and they were giving it to people who were already dying.
He was like, they're essentially overdosing them while they're already dying with hydroxychloroquine and said, this contributed to 17,000 deaths.
Like, okay, maybe it did.
Maybe people actually did do that, and maybe they did that out of ignorance.
Maybe they did that because a protocol wasn't established.
Maybe they did that because they were just wrong.
But also...
How many people would have been saved if they used it?
If you looked into that, you can't ignore that.
Hydroxychloroquine is a widely used medication that's been used for malaria forever, for a long-ass time.
It became political, which is insane.
Because it's a drug and a lot of times drugs have an initial reason why they created them and then they find that it works with something else and it works even better with something else.
That happens by accident all the time.
But the fact that they couldn't have it happen with hydroxychloroquine or ivermectin is just that should tell you what's going on especially with ivermectin because it had surpassed the amount of time so you could just get a generic So no one had a patent on it.
So it's very cheap.
jim breuer
Two things that I would tell people.
Just your example.
If it's such a...
Before we get into that, people still trust 100% just because you say you're a PhD.
And it's on television.
Now, that whole scenario is very much like 9-11.
Meaning, and even within their own department.
So if...
If PhDs and in their whole thing, people were afraid to lose their jobs.
They're like, this is what the answer is when they ask the question.
Otherwise, we'll take your license away.
You like having that reservation, Dr. Clancy?
joe rogan
That thing that we do, this appeal to authority, is valid in certain ways.
So if I was going to ask an astrophysicist questions...
And I had a choice of either asking Jamie or Neil deGrasse Tyson.
I'm gonna go with Neil deGrasse Tyson.
unidentified
Jamie.
joe rogan
Without Google.
Without Google.
unidentified
I'm just fucking kidding.
Without Google.
Well, hold on.
joe rogan
You know what I'm saying?
unidentified
Let's test it.
jim breuer
Well, yes.
joe rogan
Yeah.
Well, listen, man.
He knows things.
He's a fucking legitimate expert.
So here's my point.
unidentified
Yeah.
joe rogan
PhDs are like comics.
There's comics like you that I love and I love to talk to, and there's comics that I see where I go the other way.
I'm like, let me get the fuck out of here before a conversation starts up that I don't want to have.
You know what I'm saying?
There's guys that are boring.
They're annoying.
They don't connect with you.
All they're thinking about is what can they get.
You know those guys?
jim breuer
Yes.
b-real
And when you're around them, it's always about them.
joe rogan
They're frustrating.
I don't like talking to those guys.
They frustrate me.
jim breuer
They work bits out on you.
joe rogan
Oh, they frustrate me.
I don't mind if a guy works out a bit on me, if he goes, I got a bit.
I love that kind of shit.
Tony and I do that all the time.
Tony's always bringing up bits with me.
jim breuer
No, no, no.
Bringing up bits is one thing.
joe rogan
Yeah, we're trying.
We're trying to, like, we do that in the fucking green room all the time.
That's not what my problem is.
My problem is they're not really there.
Some dudes are not there.
jim breuer
Right.
joe rogan
Like, when they're talking to you, you don't know them.
We don't smile together.
You don't give me a hug.
There's something missing.
We're not connecting.
You know?
unidentified
Yeah.
jim breuer
Maybe they're not there.
joe rogan
I think that's the same with PhDs.
I think there's PhDs that are guys, you know, that are absolutely dedicated to finding out what the data shows and what the facts are.
And a lot of those guys, if they've fallen out of that narrative, they get fucking demonized.
They get demonized quick.
jim breuer
People underestimate the power of length that any human will go, no matter how educated they are, no matter what they know is right or wrong, they underestimate literally the power of money and who's making money at the end of the day and how much money can buy as far as an agenda, how much money can buy as far as lying.
I'm not saying lying to hundreds of millions of people.
Because they're making billions of dollars on your fear, on the thought, knowing that you're not even going to question.
If you do question, we're going to come at you so that you'll be fearing.
There's like different layers of fear they hit.
joe rogan
Yeah.
jim breuer
And, bro, I get it.
I call it like casualties of war, but not, you know, we think casualties of war where your limbs are off, which are, but I feel...
As I watch all this, I'm watching...
Because I was angry at first.
I was very vicious, foam-at-the-mouth angry.
And I could still go there.
And I'm not angry at what happened.
I'm angry on how you took such advantage of just natural humans that are so innocent and have such good lives and spirits in them.
And you went full-blown onslaught For whatever reason, whether you want to control or for money, you tore apart What keeps us connected?
Our hearts, our souls, our innocence.
They took innocence and they made us...
That is, to me, the most violent, evil, disturbing, soulless part of any existence.
I pray to God people see it, because when they see it and they see the amount of destruction it truly caused, that's a force to be reckoned with.
But like Joey Diaz says, only takes three motherfuckers to get shit done.
Three motherfuckers.
joe rogan
Three motherfuckers, Joey.
Three motherfuckers, I'll take over this whole town.
Three real motherfuckers.
It's true.
jim breuer
Yes!
joe rogan
Well, but anyway, the most important things that people understand now, how these games work, and the only way they work is if we're pitted against each other.
Whether we're pitted against each other with trans sports, don't think that they're not involved in all that stuff because it's also a polarizing issue.
It's a polarizing issue.
All of it.
You know, when we call about gender-affirming care, the way they phrase things, the way they use things, understand that this is a polarizing position that they take because they want to make sure we continue to fight against each other.
They want to make sure that we are at each other's throat, and they will manufacture these little crises over and over and over again.
Manufacture these little...
Climate change, there's so many people that are out there that tell you, we have to stop climate change or we're all gonna die!
We need to get an electric car.
We're all gonna die.
And they haven't looked at it at all.
You need to stop eating meat or we're all gonna die.
We're all gonna die.
Is it possible they're trying to control the food source?
Fuck yes it is.
Is that a massive way that you can control human beings?
Control the food supply?
Absolutely it is.
And when someone starts telling you, hey, you gotta kill food because the food is making too much carbon and that's making the earth warm.
Okay.
Meanwhile, China's building hundreds of coal-powered plants right now.
How many coal-powered plants right now are being built in China?
Because this is an extraordinary number.
We have to understand this when you're talking about ruining people's lives to have a minimal effect on the amount of CO2 that's being put out worldwide.
Because the amount that's being put out by China and India far surpasses the rest of the world.
You're just gonna make people starve.
You're gonna put people in dire poverty and make nary an impact on that problem.
I'm not saying you should ignore that problem, but I'm saying you should look at all the ways to fix that problem, and none of them should involve people starving.
So China, look at the amount.
1,142 operational coal mines, more than anyone on Earth.
India has 282, the United States has 210. Well, the United States, you want to do something really good instead of fucking killing cows?
Change to nuclear power.
Change to nuclear power and do it with new nuclear power plants that have a bunch of safeguards set in that they didn't have when they built Fukushima.
They didn't have when they built Three Mile Island.
The technology has evolved just like cell phone technology and television technology and computer.
Nuclear power plant technology has also evolved and they can do it safe now and it's the cleanest form of energy.
All of the experts that are unbiased that I have talked to have convinced me of this.
It's a fascinating thing, because in our mind, we connect nuclear power to destroying the environment, danger, Chernobyl, ruin forever, which is true in those areas.
It is absolutely true.
It's also true that it doesn't have to be that way.
It's also true that they know how to do it better now.
It's also true that they have better methods of containing these plants, and they can actually shut them down now, unlike the Fukushima one.
They have to still fucking cool that thing down.
That whole thing is a disaster.
That Fukushima thing is crazy.
jim breuer
It's all crazy.
joe rogan
They had a backup generator that got whacked too by the tsunami.
So they got nothing.
No power, so the fucking thing melts down, and it's gonna be like that for 100,000 years.
But...
That's just a local thing.
You've got to get the fuck out of that area and they have to learn and make better power plants.
If you think you have a carbon problem and you have thousands of coal-powered plants that are just pumping into the actual air that we all breathe, that's way worse, kids, and that can be fixed with nuclear power.
That's what we should be concentrating on.
Not killing fucking 2,000 cows in Ireland or whatever the fuck they're doing.
They're telling people they have to kill their cows.
We have to reduce the amount of cows.
jim breuer
You can't tell me they're laughing now.
It's a funny script.
If we got together and we were pure evil, we're like, Joe, I'm gonna have them slaughtering the cows believing it'll be better for the environment.
joe rogan
It's fucking madness, man.
And you'd think of any people that would not buy into that, it's the Irish.
Don't you guys remember the potato famine?
Jesus fucking Christ, you guys have a long history of a horrible famine that I learned about when I was a kid.
jim breuer
We all did.
joe rogan
Everybody knew about the Irish potato famine.
Look, people can fucking starve to death.
That's still true.
And if the power goes out tomorrow, it's gonna happen.
There's going to be people that starve to death.
We get hit by a giant solar flare that takes out every grid in the world.
We're fucked for a long-ass time, kids.
People are going to starve.
And so the idea that you're going to kill cows to slightly reduce the amount of methane that gets produced, it's in the air, instead of looking at regenerative methods that actually take the carbon and sequester it back into the earth, which they've already proved they can do, at least in places like White Oaks Pastures.
They do that.
It's like a carbon...
It's like a negative...
Amount of carbon.
Like, they use everything to regenerate the ground the same way it's supposed to be in nature.
That's not the fucking problem, kids.
The problem is coal plants.
Coal plants are a bigger fucking problem.
jim breuer
See, at the end of the day, I just see it as, like, they just need to...
How do we kill the cows?
How do we control food?
Ta-da!
joe rogan
It's control, period.
jim breuer
Here's all the brilliant ways and the powers we have to do, blah, blah, blah.
It's just, to me, I see it all as hogwash except for just another way to control more humanity.
joe rogan
Was it Denmark where they were taking farmers' farms away?
They were destroying farmers because they weren't allowing them to use fertilizer anymore?
There's like so much weird shit that goes on where people start trying to control farmers.
If you start fucking with the people that make our food, that's a real problem.
jim breuer
It's been going on for the last 40, 50 years.
I didn't understand.
I want to apologize to John Mellencamp and Willie Nelson, all those guys right now, because I remember being a banana metalhead, and those guys were coming out like farm-aid.
I was like, psst.
Farbs!
Farbs!
And now I understood what they were trying to do.
joe rogan
This is interesting because this just started happening.
Nationwide German farmer blockades heat pressure on Schultz.
So they've been throwing manure all over buildings and shit.
German farmers kicked off a week of nationwide protests against subsidy cuts on Monday, blocking roads to tractors and piling misery on Chancellor Olaf Schultz's coalition as it struggles to fix a budget mess and contain Rising far-right forces.
Oh, far-right.
jim breuer
Far-right.
unidentified
The farmers.
jim breuer
Extremist.
joe rogan
Conveys of tractors and trucks gathered on roads in sub-zero temperatures in nearly all 16 federal states while protesters classed with police and leading politicians warned that the unrest could be co-opted by extremists.
Extremists.
Extremists.
Yeah, people who don't want to get fucked.
How about let them be farmers, you fucking cunts?
They're the people that grow your food, goddammit.
Wake up.
Wake up to why anybody would do that.
What fucking government would fuck with the farmers?
What government would make it harder on the farmers?
You're telling me that that's your number one problem is the farmers?
How much crime do you have?
How many murders?
How many thieves?
How many rapists?
How many child molesters?
How many swindlers?
How many people that are ripping people off?
How many credit card fraudsters do you have out there?
And you're going after farmers?
There's no way that's positive.
There's no way.
It's not even physically possible.
If you looked at all of your obligations and all the things that you should be doing, that you put any resources into fucking with farmers?
jim breuer
Yeah, man.
People don't understand.
To me, it's just a takeover.
It's a simple takeover.
It's so...
It's almost like...
unidentified
It's gradual.
jim breuer
It's so gradual, and it's almost like an illusion.
joe rogan
Jordan Peterson explained it.
jim breuer
Dude, I saw that!
I saw that!
joe rogan
See if you can find that.
Jordan Peterson explained to me how you change things.
You push people a little bit, and they don't push back, and then you push them a little more, and then they say, hey, stop right there, and you wait a little while, and then you push again, and the next thing you know, before you know it, as time goes on, you're way further than you used to be.
jim breuer
Yeah.
joe rogan
Down the road that you don't want to go.
unidentified
Right.
joe rogan
And the road that we don't want to go down is tyranny.
And if you get attached to one side or the other, whether it's Nikki Haley, or you get attached to Joe Biden, whatever it is, you're going down that road even further.
You're going down that road.
They're gonna keep pushing and the next thing you know they're gonna have your fucking your location every time you tweet something and you tweet something that might be a problem Someone's gonna physically visit you or your phone's gonna get shut off or your social credit score is gonna get dinged or like that Is our future if we don't wake up you're gonna have monsters in control of your life and you'll self-censor and And whether you are on the right or whether you're on the left,
as a human being, you don't want to give other human beings control over what you can say and what you can think and what you can look at and what you can talk about and how you can live your life and where you can go and what you decide to do with your money and what you decide to do with your time.
All those things should be yours.
They should be yours.
jim breuer
So where does it...
joe rogan
Here it is.
jim breuer
Yeah, this was great.
unidentified
Things fit to terrible places one tiny step at a time.
You know, if I encroach on you and I'm sophisticated about it, I'm going to encroach two millimeters.
I'm going to encroach right to the point where you start to protest.
Then I'm going to stop.
Then I'm going to wait.
Then you're going to calm down.
Then I'm going to encroach again, right to the point where you protest.
Then I'm going to stop.
Then I'm going to wait.
And I'm just going to do that forever.
And before you know it, you're going to be back three miles from where you started, and you'll have done it one step at a time.
And then you'll go, oh, how'd I get here?
And the answer was, well...
I pushed you a little farther than you should have gone, and you agreed.
And so then I pushed you a little farther than you should have gone again, and you agreed.
And if anybody's interested in this sort of process, and this is a horrifying book, if you want to read about how this process works, you can read a book called Ordinary Men by Robert Brown.
joe rogan
Boom.
That's it.
jim breuer
It's really that simple.
joe rogan
It's really that simple.
I gotta piss.
Can we hold this?
jim breuer
Yeah.
unidentified
Hold this.
joe rogan
I gotta take a leak.
We'll be right back.
unidentified
I gotta pee too.
joe rogan
You ever shit in the woods?
unidentified
Um...
joe rogan
It's a wild thing.
jim breuer
Not naturally.
I did a cheating.
joe rogan
It feels normal.
You know, um...
jim breuer
I cheated.
joe rogan
I was reading this thing about India.
They have a problem where people don't like to use toilets.
They just like to shit outside.
jim breuer
They use their...
joe rogan
Certain places, they've been shitting outside forever, so they don't like toilets.
So they're building toilets and people are rejecting them.
jim breuer
I could see that.
joe rogan
Shitting outside is fun.
jim breuer
I think so.
joe rogan
It's the natural way to shit.
It comes out so easy.
It's like, wee!
jim breuer
Yeah, because you're squatted down.
joe rogan
That's why they make those squatty potty things.
You know those?
jim breuer
Yes.
joe rogan
Do you have one of those?
jim breuer
I don't.
joe rogan
I have one.
It helps.
jim breuer
I'm sure it does.
joe rogan
It's shit easier.
jim breuer
I shit good, man.
I wake up, pang.
Then I have espresso, pang again.
joe rogan
Double pang.
jim breuer
Yeah, and then I'm good the rest of the day, and as soon as I wake up, it's weird.
I think it's good.
joe rogan
That's supposed to be that way.
jim breuer
It's supposed to be good, right?
joe rogan
Yeah, that's a good thing.
Yeah, you want to be regular.
jim breuer
I'm regular.
joe rogan
My friend Larry got backed up once for a long day.
He used to be one of the producers on Fear Factor.
He tells a story.
It's fucking hilarious.
Oh my god.
He had to go to a doctor, and they had to chip it out.
jim breuer
Oh!
joe rogan
Yeah, it dried up, and it got compacted in there, and he literally had to get it removed.
jim breuer
What do you mean, like get solid?
joe rogan
Yeah, it got hard as a rock.
So they got to break it up.
jim breuer
In his intestines?
joe rogan
It's his butthole.
At the door, turtling.
You're turtling with a boulder.
jim breuer
It's too warm in there.
joe rogan
I don't know what happens.
I don't understand.
I don't know what he was eating.
jim breuer
Oh.
A lot of cheese.
joe rogan
Maybe.
unidentified
I don't know what happened, but he got stuck.
jim breuer
That's some Greek cheese right there.
That's that flaming Greek cheese.
joe rogan
The great horse manure crisis of 1894. What is this?
By the late 1800s, large cities all over the world were drowning in horse manure.
Oh, makes sense.
The London Times predicted in 1894 that in 50 years time, every street in London would be buried under nine feet of manure.
Makes sense.
jamie vernon
In New York City, they had, at one point, a 175-foot pile of shit that created in the range of 16 billion flies, it said.
joe rogan
Okay.
Tell me that didn't cause the plague.
jamie vernon
No, it did.
100%.
Like, this is what the roads looked like.
joe rogan
Oh, my God.
That's insane.
That's all horse shit?
jamie vernon
There's also, each horse makes about a gallon of, or like a liter of piss every day.
joe rogan
Oh my god, so the ammonia smell on the streets.
jamie vernon
And then what happens when it rains?
joe rogan
Oh god, it gets into the water.
jim breuer
See, I like, I root for nature.
What did George Caron say?
joe rogan
Well, that's just people with poor planning.
jim breuer
That's what I mean.
joe rogan
Because when they built these wild west towns, they're like, okay, put a fucking house here, there's the road, and next thing you know, it's paved, because you have cars now, and then the horses are shitting on the pavement.
jim breuer
Yeah.
unidentified
What?
joe rogan
Like, what is this?
jim breuer
I love when that happens.
jamie vernon
And they bite people.
They bite people, they kick people, they hurt little kids all the time.
jim breuer
Wouldn't you if you were a horse?
joe rogan
Yeah, I would do that too.
unidentified
I'd be pissed.
jamie vernon
And then they would die, a certain amount would die every day, so they had to get, like, removing dead horses every day from New York City was a whole fucking problem.
joe rogan
Whoa, they're gonna drag them off.
jamie vernon
Where are you gonna put them?
jim breuer
I'd be pissed if I was a horse.
Yeah, they should be pissed.
joe rogan
You know, there's a sizable amount of wild horses in this country.
jim breuer
I think the Carolinas didn't see them.
joe rogan
There's a sizable amount in this country, and there's a lot of debate on what to do with them.
jim breuer
What's the debate?
joe rogan
Well, because if they get out of control and they get overpopulated, the thing is they could...
Certain farmers have land that's their land for grazing, for their cattle, and if the horses eat up all the resources, that could be a problem.
There are instances of animals cross-contaminating, like brucellosis is a real...
Issue with buffalo.
When the buffalo roam onto cattle ranchers land, they give them brucellosis and the cows start dying off.
That's a real issue.
So that's one reason to contain them.
But it's also, it's like every, like wildlife biologists, when they're objective, they look at a balance of nature.
They don't look at it in terms of like...
What would the people like to happen?
They look at how many mountain lions can exist in this area?
And how many deer can exist in this area?
And if the mountain lion's population exceeds a certain number, what impact does it have on the deer?
And then what impact does that have on ranchers and people that lose their pets?
And then joggers.
Because those things are happening next if you don't take it.
So that's how a real wildlife biologist would look at it.
So when wildlife biologists look at horses, They go, well, this is a real fucking problem.
Because, first of all, people do not want you shooting horses.
Like, I don't...
That is the one animal that I would never fucking shoot.
I can't even imagine shooting...
Unless I was dying of starvation.
The idea of shooting a horse...
Horses, to me, that's like shooting a golden retriever.
And maybe even...
More beautiful.
They're connected with people in a weird way.
You ride them.
You're very intimate with that animal.
Those animals are amazing pets.
Pet is the wrong word.
Because they're a traveling companion that you feed and ride on.
So it is a pet, sort of, but when they're well-trained and well taken care of, they're amazing animals.
They come up to people.
I've seen people that have pet horses, and the horse puts their nose in the guy's face, and the guy strokes the horse's head.
They have a beautiful, intimate relationship.
The idea of shooting those things, whew, bro.
That's like shooting wild dogs.
The only way I'd shoot a wild dog is if it was attacking.
Wild pets, like horses in particular, we know what kind of a relationship you could have with horses.
That's like going out and shooting wild people.
You found wild people, like there's too many wild people.
We just started shooting them.
Like what?
It's almost like that with people with horses.
unidentified
I know.
jim breuer
When I think about that, it's like, see, I always go back to the question of when, like let's take a rancher.
A rancher, did ranchers, and nothing, I'm just saying in general, this whole society, I'm all over the place, I'll get to it.
Did ranchers, they ranch for other people, or just themselves, most of them?
joe rogan
It totally depends on the rancher, right?
There's some ranchers that what they do is they lease land, and so they'll roam their cattle, and then some of them, they put them on public land.
Like, I was hunting in Nevada on public land, With my friend Steve Rinella, we were bow hunting mule deer.
So we're in this area, and there's cows all over this area.
And these cows are all privately owned, and so they pay a grazing fee, I guess.
I don't know what the fee is.
I don't know how that works.
I don't even know if they have to pay a fee.
I don't know how that works.
But the point is, they have the rights to let their animals graze in a specific area, and then when it comes time to harvest them, or whatever the fuck they do, they round them all up, and the cowboys come in there.
So like real cowboys, guys on horses.
jim breuer
Yeah.
joe rogan
It's fucking cool to watch.
But that's, so like, they're all over the place.
So there's those kind of ranchers.
And then there's ranchers that have a contained ranch.
There's a lot of these out here in Texas.
Or like the guys at White Oaks Pastures, where they have...
A fully contained, managed ecosystem.
And they have their cows out there.
They roam around.
They use the manure.
They use the manure for fertilizer.
They recycle everything.
It all goes back into nature, including the dead bodies of the animals and the things that get harvested, the organs, everything.
Everything gets used.
jim breuer
So I think...
I know.
You know what I always go to?
I always go...
But you can't go back.
When...
When...
When did it change?
And why did it change?
joe rogan
It changed with money.
jim breuer
No, but I'm saying, like, me and you, we're sitting there, and you got your little tribe there, and I got my tribe there, and you go hunting, you come back, and I'll make sure I'll get the steak, whatever.
Everyone's helping each other out.
You hunt, you gather, and all that.
When did...
That's what always fascinated me.
joe rogan
Even that time.
We're romanticizing that time.
jim breuer
I am romanticizing, but I don't know.
joe rogan
That time was one of the most fucking brutal times.
jim breuer
Opposed to now?
joe rogan
Yes.
You ever watch that show, 1883?
jim breuer
Yeah, it was brutal.
joe rogan
Yeah.
Yeah.
That's Taylor Sheridan's show.
jim breuer
Up the ass.
joe rogan
Oh my god, they killed everybody.
They killed everybody.
jim breuer
Muammar Gaddafi.
joe rogan
Yeah, up the ass.
But those people that were trying to make their way across the country, that's the knife up the ass.
jim breuer
What's more brutal?
joe rogan
You should see the video, though.
jim breuer
What is more brutal?
joe rogan
Oh, they did that.
They did that times 100 right here.
jim breuer
We've been brutal forever!
joe rogan
Forever.
Human beings have been brutal forever.
Forever.
jim breuer
We just don't eat the...
We don't chimp it out, though.
joe rogan
We don't yet.
jim breuer
We don't go for the test.
We don't eat those.
There might be some sickos out there.
joe rogan
If the meteor hits, if the meteor hits and we go back, we go back again, because we've done it before, I guarantee we've done it before.
I guarantee you, at least in parts of the world, society has crumbled because of natural disasters and people resorted to barbarism.
And I think that's the reason why, if you go further back in history, people were the most ruthless.
You know, if people really did exist in a very sophisticated way, which is what I believe, that it did exist somewhere around 11,800 years ago and then before that.
That's what I think.
I think particularly in Africa.
I think if you look at the structures that exist in Egypt, there's no doubt about it.
Some of those are old as fuck, and I don't think it's outside the realm of possibility that they're older than they think they are, especially when you have geologists that are observing these deep water fissures, like Robert Schock, who's done this work on thousands of years of rainfall, must have created this, which is That pushes it back way to the point where there used to be rain in that area, which was like 9,000 years ago.
So now we're in this area like, well, how old are these fucking things, man?
And I think if something happens and the world falls apart, I think only the monsters live.
Only the monsters, only the most psycho of psychos, only the most evil dog-eat-dog people, because they're probably cannibalizing.
At a certain point in time, I bet people are cannibalizing.
At a certain point of starvation, if there's like a nuclear winter, when those things impact and the fucking sky is covered with volcanic dust for two years and nothing grows.
jim breuer
You ain't got no guns and nothing.
joe rogan
Bro, I guarantee people started eating people.
I guarantee we are the ancestors of people who ate people.
I think so.
jim breuer
I would buy that.
joe rogan
Dude, the Comanche did it.
Well, the Comanche didn't do it as much as some of the other Indians did it.
But they would eat each other.
They would eat their enemies.
They would kill their enemy and eat his heart.
They would do wild shit right here, the Nez Perce.
They would catch people and cook them and eat them in front of their friends.
unidentified
Oh!
joe rogan
Yeah, man.
jim breuer
Yeah, I mean...
joe rogan
They did wild shit.
jim breuer
Yeah.
joe rogan
And they did it for fun.
They did it to torture people.
They would torture people.
That's why Native Americans had no concept of surrender.
Like, surrender.
They're gonna torture you and kill you 100%.
You gotta fight to the death.
unidentified
Yeah, but don't you...
joe rogan
You can't surrender.
jim breuer
Would you...
I think about this, too.
Like, would you, if you knew your entire existence was gonna come to...
If you felt like, you know what?
These guys, they've crushed it everywhere.
There's no winning this.
We fight to die or we become them.
What are we doing?
I always think about that with certain societies.
Even ours, we've never ever...
Well, I can't say that.
But have we come a time where you're willing to go, dude, we're not getting out of this one.
We're not getting out of this one.
So, in the meantime, do we start taking out as, you know, doing as much as we can?
Like, how do you...
I can see that.
joe rogan
Well, think about what the Native Americans went through in this country.
jim breuer
That's what I'm saying.
joe rogan
I can see it.
Their plight was even more dire because we removed their food.
We removed the food.
We killed the buffalo.
jim breuer
Right!
joe rogan
There's no independence anymore.
They couldn't exist out there by themselves.
jim breuer
Making them sick!
joe rogan
Yeah, make them sick.
jim breuer
Make them starve.
joe rogan
And then when the winter comes and you got no food, what the fuck are you going to do?
And they offer you the reservation.
They did that.
They did that in this country.
So there's your answer.
And the way they treated those people is beyond evil.
The way they converted them in those schools, and that's also detailed in 1923, that show.
jim breuer
I went to St. Augustine, and there's this fort down there.
And as I'm walking through the fort, you know, people, you know, tourists just always walk by and look at all the pictures and the things, like, oh, this fort's cool looking.
And on the wall is all these little Native American, little Indian kids, just, like, traumatized, but in school outfits.
And you see, like, you know, soldiers behind them.
And I'm just...
I sat there and watched it and went, Bro, can you imagine?
Can you imagine?
How many kids you got?
unidentified
Three?
jim breuer
Can you imagine seeing your children?
Completely indifferent, completely hostages for the rest of their life.
And they watched their parents get taken out in front.
Like they watched their mom's throat get slit.
Or raping or burning them while they're alive.
And now they're gonna...
Dude, can you imagine?
Like seeing that or living that as a child and now that's what's going to control you the rest of your life.
That's heavy, man.
joe rogan
It is also heavy what the government did when they took gullible people and they gave them land where the Comanche were.
They let them move in.
That's S.C. Gwen's book, The Empire of the Summer Moon.
They just let these people build these homesteads and then one day the Comanche came and just slaughtered everybody and they kidnapped people.
The last Comanche chief was Quanah Parker and his mother was Cynthia Ann Parker and his mother was kidnapped but she was seven years old by the Comanche and she wound up marrying the Comanche chief And she had a son.
That was Quanah Parker.
And he was the last Comanche chief.
And then they rescued her when she was in her 30s.
And she kept trying to escape, go back to the Comanche.
She had become a Comanche, like a full-on Comanche.
jim breuer
I just saw this.
Did you talk about this recently?
joe rogan
I talked about it many times.
I can't stop talking about it.
Because that's where we are.
That's this spot where we're at right now.
If you drive like 10 minutes from here, you'll find like Quanah Parker Road.
Yeah, like they named the streets after Comanche's up here.
I have a friend who has a ranch up here.
He finds thousands of arrowheads, and I'm not exaggerating.
It's nuts how many he finds.
He documents them all.
Go to J.M. Whitworth's Instagram.
It's fucking wild, dude.
This guy finds thousands of them.
He just sifts through the ground in his property.
This is hundreds and hundreds and hundreds of years of the Comanche riding horses, killing deer, living off the land, living right here.
jim breuer
I saw a meme, and it was a native, and he said, we breathe the fresh air, we live in the nature, our food is grown, we have everything at our resources, free water, we love each other, we constantly are tearing it up all day.
They came along and thought they can do something better.
joe rogan
Look at this guy's page.
jim breuer
He finds these.
joe rogan
That's one of the ones that he found.
Did you find his Instagram, Jamie?
jim breuer
Wow, look at that.
joe rogan
He didn't find it?
unidentified
It's private.
joe rogan
Oh, it's private.
So these are just some of the ones that he's posted up.
He sent me some.
I have one right here.
jim breuer
Oh, wow.
joe rogan
Yeah, that's legit.
Good dude.
jim breuer
So when they do that, what do they make that out of?
joe rogan
Different kinds of rock that they can chip, depending on the place.
Some points are like obsidian, some points are different kinds of stone, flint, whatever they can shape into a point like this.
There's amazing craftsmanship involved in this too.
And you gotta get it kind of in the same size every time.
Because the whole idea is you're judging.
Just like when you throw a rock, like the way they would shoot arrows is...
You know how you throw a rock and after a while, when you're a kid, you know how hard to throw it to hit a specific spot.
You know how to aim.
That's essentially what you're doing with a bow and arrow.
So you have to practice all the time.
And you have to have the weight kind of semi-consistent so you know where that arrow's going.
So you know this thing is that far away and in your mind I have to aim up here and the arrow's going to drop down and hit it in the vitals.
jim breuer
Right.
joe rogan
The whole thing of archery is it's an arc.
From the time it gets released, it arcs up and then drops down.
And the whole idea is try to figure out how far that is and how far it's going to drop.
So it's a very intuitive form of hunting, and it's a very spiritual thing if you're doing this, right?
You're creating your own stones.
You're making your own arrows.
You're chipping the stones and creating these arrowheads out of them.
You're tying it all together with sinew.
And then you've got to practice.
And you've got to get really good at this thing.
And then you've got to figure out how to sneak up on animals and just launch these fucking...
Feather-covered darts of death.
And it's one of the greatest technological advantages of hunting that humans had ever created.
They created the ability to kill something that's really far away.
A good archer can shoot something with a traditional bow 40, 50, 60 yards away.
jim breuer
You're right.
And a chimp can never figure that out.
joe rogan
But if they did, we'd be fucked.
jim breuer
We'd be fucked.
joe rogan
We'd be fucked.
They would just storm cities, just shooting people for fun.
They would 100% shoot you for fun.
jim breuer
I agree.
joe rogan
Oh, by the way, they'd eat your babies.
There's been a lot of documented cases of chimpanzees eating human babies, stealing human babies and eating them.
jim breuer
Really?
joe rogan
Oh yeah, baboons too.
Baboons have stolen babies and eaten them.
It's a real problem.
Have you ever seen that video of this little kid wearing a diaper and they're out in the street and this fucking monkey tries to steal the baby.
This monkey pulls up in a motor scooter and grabs the baby and tries to drag it off.
You have to chase the monkey to get the baby back.
jim breuer
I remember that.
Yo.
Yo, that's pretty sick.
That's Planet of the Apes right there.
joe rogan
Imagine if he had a gun.
He just bang, bang, bang!
Here it is, here it is.
If that monkey had a gun, 100%.
jim breuer
It's a little kid in front of his parents.
joe rogan
Yeah, ragdolls it and then tries to drag it off.
jim breuer
Wow!
joe rogan
And it's moving pretty fast, too, man.
With something that's way bigger than him.
jim breuer
And this guy is used to it because look at this guy.
He's not even running.
He's just like...
What country are they in?
jamie vernon
It kind of looks like the monkeys actually being yanked back on a...
jim breuer
Oh, you're right.
joe rogan
Oh, wait a minute.
jim breuer
Wait a minute.
Play that again.
You're right.
joe rogan
You're right.
Oh, my God.
It's a stunt.
jim breuer
Watch, right here...
jamie vernon
Right there, he's barely got leverage to do that.
joe rogan
Yeah, how's he moving so fast?
jim breuer
And knowing that one arm...
jamie vernon
That guy starts pointing at...
jim breuer
Oh, yeah, you're right.
joe rogan
So there would be someone behind him with a cable attached to him?
Yeah.
Wow, that's crazy if that's true.
Is there a harness on that monkey?
Do you see a harness or anything?
jamie vernon
Not really.
joe rogan
Boy, it does look like something's pulling him.
jamie vernon
Around his neck, right there.
joe rogan
Yeah, boy, it does seem like something.
jim breuer
His neck goes this way.
joe rogan
Did you see that somewhere?
Did you just see that right now?
jamie vernon
I vaguely remembered seeing something about it, but I'm just seeing it right now.
I was like, wow, that looks weird.
joe rogan
How's it moving?
Where's it getting the leverage to move that way?
Look, it's getting dragged.
Because otherwise, how would it have the leverage to move that fast?
jim breuer
Look at the line.
Oh, you can see it.
Yes, you can see it.
joe rogan
Oh my god, it is.
It's a cable.
jim breuer
Dude, I fell for that too.
joe rogan
But maybe that's how monkeys steal babies.
Maybe they use monkeys to steal kids.
jim breuer
Oh.
joe rogan
That's even scarier, dude.
jim breuer
Wow.
joe rogan
Maybe they've trained monkeys to steal kids.
Maybe that's what it is.
And then we just watched it.
jim breuer
Wow.
Nah, the guys were there.
unidentified
Well, yeah.
jim breuer
Or they're showing everyone how to do it.
This is how we do it here.
joe rogan
Listen, that's totally possible.
jim breuer
We're just going to show you how you should do it.
joe rogan
Well, can we agree that people steal kids?
jim breuer
Oh, yeah.
joe rogan
100%.
unidentified
Okay.
joe rogan
So if that's true.
jim breuer
Dude, I almost...
joe rogan
You want some coffee?
jim breuer
I think it almost happened to me.
joe rogan
If people are so evil that they would steal kids, which is real...
jim breuer
Thank you.
joe rogan
...then you don't think they would train monkeys to help them?
What are you, crazy?
Of course they would.
That's terrifying.
Not only did your kid get stolen, your kid get stolen by a monkey.
What's this one, Jamie?
jamie vernon
I was looking for proof and I found a different video of almost the same thing happening.
joe rogan
A monkey stealing a baby?
jamie vernon
This one's not on a leash.
joe rogan
Oh, these people ran away.
jim breuer
And they ran away from the kid!
joe rogan
Oh my god.
jim breuer
That's real right there.
joe rogan
Why did they run away?
They ran away from that baby?
That's so crazy.
And then the mom came by, and the mom got the baby back.
Oh my god, he didn't want to let go of the baby.
jim breuer
Wait, pull it back with his kids.
joe rogan
Oh my god, that's crazy.
jim breuer
Wow!
joe rogan
That's crazy.
jamie vernon
Maybe it was a bunch of kids.
jim breuer
Wait, now watch.
joe rogan
Oh, it is just little kids.
Still that boy.
unidentified
Run around.
joe rogan
Run back, fella.
Save that fucking baby, pussy.
Ew, ew.
Don't show me that again.
jim breuer
Alright, but isn't that society?
joe rogan
How do you think you'd do if a monkey was trying to steal a baby?
You think you'd fuck up a monkey?
jim breuer
Oh dude, I'd go for him.
I'd start kicking hard.
I know he'd come after me though, but I'd be in it too late.
He might tear my ass apart, but...
No, if it was a chimp, I don't know.
If it was a chimp, I'd do a lot of this.
joe rogan
You'd have no chance to get a chimp.
jim breuer
And then I'd lie.
joe rogan
But I wonder how much chance you'd have against a monkey.
jim breuer
I'd lie and say, hey man, I tried to help.
I couldn't get in there.
joe rogan
I was looking at that monkey.
I was like, what would my strategy be?
jim breuer
Well, play it back.
unidentified
Can you play it back?
joe rogan
Yeah, let me see that again.
jim breuer
I think I'd go straight forward and try to kick him in the head.
joe rogan
The monkey that's on the stairs?
I think I'm punting that monkey.
I think I'm going to let that monkey feel it.
jim breuer
Yeah, I say kick him really hard in the head.
joe rogan
Yeah, I'm gonna shin that monkey.
jim breuer
You can kick him good right in his head.
Or in his gut.
Bam!
joe rogan
I'm gonna power kick that monkey into another dimension.
But I'm gonna be ready for that thing to bite my dick.
That's not a little thing.
That 35 pound animal or whatever the fuck it is has insane power.
jim breuer
And it's fearless of these- It's fearless.
joe rogan
Right there you gotta smash that monkey.
You gotta smash that monkey.
You gotta really put the boots to him.
jim breuer
And he also knows you don't have the power to fight.
joe rogan
Well, what you gotta do, really, is grab him by his back legs if you can.
jim breuer
Or his tail.
joe rogan
You grab him.
First of all, you kick him as hard as you can.
But if you do get a scramble with him, you try to pile drive him into the ground.
That's what you try to do.
You try to smash him into the ground as hard as you can.
That might be your only way out.
It's going to be hard to do because he's got to recognize what you're doing.
He's probably going to be able to twist and turn and stop a lot of the force.
But if you could figure out a way to slam that monkey into the ground over and over again repeatedly, I think you'd break it eventually.
But he'd be biting the fuck out of you.
jim breuer
That's a tough task.
joe rogan
He would be biting the fuck out of you.
He would be jumping for your face.
But you gotta beat the shit out of that monkey.
jim breuer
What about the tail?
joe rogan
The tail thing is it's gonna turn around and bite you.
It's gonna grab you.
jim breuer
Not if you stop moving.
joe rogan
They move so much better than us.
So you have to accept that this little thing is probably as strong as you.
jim breuer
See, I'm cocky right now.
I'm confident.
I'm gonna twirl them.
joe rogan
I think those 35-pound monkeys are as strong as you and me.
jim breuer
I'll double hand them.
joe rogan
How strong is, what is that, a rhesus monkey?
What kind of monkey is that?
jim breuer
I don't know.
joe rogan
I think I'd get fucked up.
I think I might be able to kill it, but I think I'm getting fucked up along the way.
I'm getting clawed at.
It's clawing at my eyes.
It's trying to bite my face.
jim breuer
I don't think it would get to your face, though.
That monkey, I don't think it would get to Joe Rogan's face, I'm being honest with you.
joe rogan
You could be shocked at how fast and how strong a monkey is.
And if you don't fucking move accordingly, if you don't stop it while it's happening, if you allow it to get a grip on you, you might be really fucked.
It might get your jugular.
Like there's a video of this guy, there's this old man and he's sitting there on the ground and this monkey climbs on him and he's like sort of accepting that this monkey is on him and this monkey decides to scalp him.
So this monkey just clamps down on his head and peels an enormous slice of skin off this guy's head.
jim breuer
What size monkey is this?
joe rogan
A small monkey.
A monkey like that monkey.
jim breuer
Like what we just saw?
joe rogan
Exactly like that monkey.
So what I'm trying to say is, I think you're in your head, you're thinking, so here's this guy.
So this is the same kind of monkey, right?
jim breuer
Okay.
joe rogan
This guy's sitting there, and watch this monkey.
jim breuer
Oh shit.
Oh.
Dude.
Oh!
joe rogan
It just bit him and took a giant chunk of his head off.
So that's what I'm saying.
This is what you're dealing with.
jim breuer
Oh, damn!
joe rogan
Yeah.
You are not dealing with...
jim breuer
Wait a minute.
joe rogan
Yeah.
That's his head, bro.
Just bit into his head and took an enormous chunk of his scalp off.
Yeah.
And you just saw it.
jim breuer
This is the thing.
joe rogan
I think you need to reassess where you are with this monkey.
Watch this.
It just bites him.
Dude, it could do that to your face.
It would grab your nose.
And you wouldn't be able to get it off your nose.
It would rip your fucking nose clean up.
jim breuer
Why isn't his head bleeding?
joe rogan
His head's not bleeding because that's what happens, dude.
It bleeds out of the part where there's skin left, Jim Brewer.
There's no skin.
You're looking at skull.
You're looking at skull.
Come on!
So, Jim, all the things that bleed are now gone.
That's the stuff that bleeds skin.
So all the skin that is bleeding is the skin that's around it.
It's bleeding into the fucking cracks where his scalps have been removed to his head.
That's real as fuck.
I'm thinking that monkey might fuck you up.
I think you have to really reassess what you think a monkey is.
You can't treat a monkey like it's a little person.
That's a way more ferocious, powerful thing.
You're looking at it proportionately.
Because we think we're pretty big compared to that monkey, so we're stronger.
But we're not.
We're just bigger.
jim breuer
Alright, so when I go for this fight for $40 million, you're gonna be my trainer.
joe rogan
I'm not training you for you to get killed.
You're gonna get killed.
You need years and you need to get on steroids immediately.
What is the monkey type that bite that guy's head off?
I think that's the same kind of monkey.
We gotta get you on the full USADA protocol.
Whatever USADA says you can't take, we're gonna put you on it.
jim breuer
I'm gonna have a cape.
With a big monkey head on it?
joe rogan
You're gonna look like Vitor Belfort in his prime.
Just all trapped.
Fuckin' jacked.
jim breuer
And here comes the monkey!
joe rogan
And you still might get killed by that monkey.
We might have to train you for a decade.
jim breuer
Does the monkey come in on a leash?
joe rogan
No, no, the monkey's free.
The monkey's running it.
You're in a circular room.
unidentified
Train for a decade?
joe rogan
Yeah, I would have to train you for a decade.
A full decade.
We have to just to give you a chance, just a chance to live.
unidentified
Really?
joe rogan
Uh-huh.
Yeah, I think so.
jim breuer
Alright.
joe rogan
I think you're dealing with a totally different thing.
I think you think of it like it's like a little person, but it's not.
It's not.
It's way stronger.
It's way stronger than a person.
I would way rather fight a 150 pound man than a 35 pound monkey.
Well, yeah, you'd crush it.
jim breuer
You're talking about a well-trained man.
joe rogan
50 pounds less man than me.
I like my odds way more than I like my odds against a fucking monkey.
Look at that thing.
jim breuer
Those are serious fangs.
joe rogan
Dude, it's too strong.
You don't understand how strong it is.
You think it's little, so it can't be as strong as you.
But it's as strong as you.
Man stoned to death by monkeys in India.
They threw rocks at him.
They hit him on the head, chest, and legs.
They beat him to death with rocks.
jim breuer
I'm a good pitcher, Joe.
joe rogan
I bet you are.
Look, if you had a weapon, I like you.
If you got something, you could really fucking crack it with a baseball bat.
I like you.
But the thing is, man, if you don't and that thing bites you, you get fucked.
If you got shorts on, good luck, son.
It's going to rip a giant chunk of your thigh out.
jim breuer
Well, these old rules will have to hash out.
joe rogan
There's no rules with chimps, bro.
There's no rules with bunkies.
jim breuer
What am I allowed to wear?
Shorts?
Am I allowed to wear a little armor?
unidentified
A helmet?
joe rogan
I'd be dressed like a knight.
jim breuer
Am I allowed to wear a helmet?
joe rogan
I would be dressed like a knight.
jim breuer
Yeah, but is that fair?
joe rogan
I'm gonna fight a monkey?
Fuck fair.
Are you on team person or team monkey?
What's fair?
You don't have to be crazy to fight a monkey in a fair fight.
jim breuer
No, you're right.
So what kind of weapon can I bring?
joe rogan
The monkey's gonna cheat.
There's no fair.
This is gonna be a dirty fight.
jim breuer
It's okay if I bring a bat.
joe rogan
I want a gun.
jim breuer
No, no gun.
I want a bat.
joe rogan
No, absolutely.
We're proving.
jim breuer
A hockey stick.
joe rogan
Proving something?
We're proving something?
Human beings have figured this out.
Bang!
Shut the fuck up.
You gotta get in a fucking arm wrestling match with a gorilla?
jim breuer
I win!
joe rogan
Boom!
Shut the fuck up!
We figured that out.
jim breuer
Okay.
joe rogan
Right?
jim breuer
So all this- No, that's fair enough.
joe rogan
Yeah, you don't wanna be fighting- But fair entertainment value- But it just shows how weak we are.
Yeah, no- In comparison to what we think.
Even strong people.
unidentified
Hmm.
joe rogan
What is this?
A six-month-old girl was being breastfed in her mother's lap in a courtyard room in her home in a small village in North India, a population of approximately 5,000.
A macaque entered the room through an open door and apparently, without provocation, snatched the infant from her.
The monkey then proceeded to leap from the terrace to Terrace Holdings, the infant, while being pursued by local residences.
The monkey eventually dropped it.
jamie vernon
That's crazy.
unidentified
Oh!
joe rogan
Burrow.
Burrow.
jim breuer
Yeah.
joe rogan
I'm telling you, man, you don't want to fuck with a monkey.
jim breuer
Alright.
joe rogan
I think it would shock you.
I had a chimp on news radio once, and I don't even think that...
I think that scene got cut from the final episode, because it was something that had to do with animals, so we had animals.
And so we had this chimp on set, and I did not have a scene with the chimp, but I was there, so I got to hold on to the chimp and hang out with it.
Maybe I did have a scene with it?
I don't remember.
Whatever it was, this chimp was a baby in a diaper, and it was so strong, dude.
It was hitting my back, just playing, you know, just tapping me, and I was like, whoa!
jim breuer
Yeah.
There was one on SNL, and I got to go in the room, baby, and he kept saying, don't let him nip at you.
And he left me alone for like 30 seconds, and all I remember is the skull.
The skull is really hard.
joe rogan
It was like a...
jim breuer
It was like a coconut.
That thing was very powerful.
And they were babies, like you said.
joe rogan
Yeah, it's a baby, but it doesn't feel like you think a baby should feel like.
It feels like a super athlete.
Like when you touch their muscles, even though they're a baby, they're so jacked.
You feel their little muscles.
You're like, holy fuck, man.
jim breuer
You saw the no hair one, right?
Yeah.
joe rogan
That's what it is.
jim breuer
That's just pure...
joe rogan
Natural.
And the no hair one that you see, like that one, if you think about the amount of muscle that thing has, it's probably like 180 pounds.
You got to multiply that times like four.
And that's how strong it is in terms of people.
jim breuer
Right.
joe rogan
It's a different thing, even though it looks so impressive.
If it was a dude that was...
jim breuer
But you wouldn't fear it.
joe rogan
But you would fear it.
What I'm saying is, you would go, that guy's fucking jacked.
I bet he's strong.
Well, take what you think about a guy that looks like that and multiply it times four.
And that's how strong a chimp is.
That's what's scary.
jim breuer
Yeah, no, that's frightening.
Alright, convince me.
I'm not gonna fight the monkey.
joe rogan
No one can fight a chimp, but a monkey, you might have a chance.
If you're a bad motherfucker, you know?
If you're a good kickboxer like Khalil Roundtree, he might fuck up a little monkey.
jim breuer
Whap!
joe rogan
You know?
Get him with some leg kicks.
jim breuer
Whap!
Yeah!
joe rogan
If the monkey doesn't understand defense, whap!
As long as you can keep it from biting your face.
As long as you can keep it from just getting ahold of you and biting a chunk out of you.
They will bite a fucking chunk out of you, son.
You gotta have Kevlar clothes on.
You gotta wear Kevlar clothes.
Kevlar gloves.
That's what I would say.
But then your face.
What are you going to do about your face?
Your face is a real problem with a monkey.
They're going to go right for your eyeballs.
They know what you see out of it.
They're going to rip your fucking eyeballs out.
jim breuer
Yeah, because if your leg game isn't working, he's able to immediately jump up, leap through the air and grab ahold of you.
joe rogan
You can't get him off of you.
You're fucked, man.
jim breuer
Yeah.
unidentified
Oh, my God.
jim breuer
Although, it would be great.
I'm wondering if they had stuff like that in the Roman Empire.
joe rogan
They did.
jim breuer
I'm sure they had people fight.
joe rogan
I bet they had everything.
And we're not that far away from doing that right now, man.
Watch Slap Fight.
We're not that far away.
jim breuer
No, you're right.
joe rogan
We're not that far away of people just having...
I mean, there's these organizations that have sword fights now.
unidentified
Why?
joe rogan
Yeah, people dress up like knights.
They put full knight armor on.
jim breuer
Wait a minute, I feel like I've seen this and I didn't know if it was real or not.
joe rogan
Oh, it's real, man.
jim breuer
It looks like they really get hurt.
joe rogan
They really get hurt.
They beat each other with their shields.
Yeah, they fuck each other up.
jim breuer
Like, and they're using axes too, no?
joe rogan
Oh yeah, they're using all kinds of weapons.
They're just using weapons while they're actually wearing armor.
jim breuer
Here it is, here it is.
joe rogan
Yeah, using swords.
Bro, this is rough, dude.
They fight and they fucking knee each other and kick each other and throw each other and get on top of each other and beat the shit out of each other and they're doing it with armor on.
It's wild, man.
It's wild shit.
jim breuer
So we're slowly, slowly, slowly getting back until the Roman Empire.
joe rogan
Look at this guy's hitting this guy in the head over and over with a shield.
Yeah.
He battered him with his fucking shield.
He beat the fuck out of that dude.
You don't think that guy felt that?
jim breuer
Oh no, he's done.
joe rogan
He's fucked up.
That guy's fucked up.
unidentified
Wow.
joe rogan
He basically beat him to death with a shield.
I mean, that's what we're saying.
If the guy lives, he's going to live barely.
Look, he's still down.
jim breuer
He still ain't moving.
joe rogan
He still ain't moving.
I mean, that guy's...
jim breuer
His body's moving.
He's dead.
That's just the nerves.
joe rogan
That guy got destroyed by a shield.
jim breuer
This is the one I saw.
joe rogan
So this one, they're fighting with axes.
jim breuer
This one I saw.
I'm like, wait, come on.
joe rogan
Bro, this is so insane.
This is so insane.
People are fighting with axes.
Look at this.
How about their fucking hands?
What if the gloves come off and you keep your fucking hand hacked off?
jim breuer
Why'd he go from there to there?
joe rogan
I guess they got honor.
They got honor.
They start again.
Let me see some of this.
This is so crazy, dude.
Oh my god.
Slashing at each other with axes.
unidentified
Oh.
jim breuer
Oh, alright.
So they let you go once you're down.
joe rogan
Thank god.
jamie vernon
Are they just stuck in them right there?
jim breuer
Still, all you need is like one guy who cheats or just like, whoops, sorry.
joe rogan
It got stuck in him, man.
jim breuer
I didn't mean to jugglier you.
Like the hockey dude.
Oh my god.
Did you see that one?
joe rogan
Which one?
Oh yeah, his neck got cut.
I did see that one.
That was horrifying.
jim breuer
Horrifying!
joe rogan
Horrifying.
jim breuer
Don't show me that too far away from us.
joe rogan
Don't show me that one.
jim breuer
Yeah, that's a bad one.
joe rogan
Yeah, but we're not that far.
If people are doing that, how long before people do it with samurai outfits on?
Fight with samurai swords?
And slice each other up?
You know, that was one of those things that would distinguish Nazis.
jim breuer
What do you mean?
joe rogan
When the Nazis, through Operation Paperclip, when the United States acquired a bunch of Nazi scientists and brought them over here to work at NASA. What are you, a conspiracy theorist?
Yeah.
Yeah.
And one of the things that we distinguish, you could know they were Nazis, is they had all these distinctive facial scars.
Because they did dueling.
It was a big thing with the Nazis.
So they would put these goggles on.
See the scars they have on their face?
jim breuer
Oh, yeah, yeah, yeah.
joe rogan
These guys would put goggles on and they would sword fight each other.
With these very thin, razor-sharp swords.
And it was like a badge of honor to have these facial scars.
It made you look like a bad motherfucker.
So all these guys had these massive facial scars.
And that was one way where you could tell that someone was a Nazi.
Look at that guy with the goggles on.
So that's what they would look like after the fights.
They would just get their face sliced up.
And then...
jim breuer
And then what did they become after this?
joe rogan
They became our scientists.
They worked for NASA. But these were Nazis.
And this was something that Nazis did when they were younger.
They would have these sword fights with goggles on.
And it was like a sign that you were the real deal.
You were the real deal.
You got the big face guard.
You fucking fought with a sword.
jim breuer
Sure.
joe rogan
It's a different level of commitment.
jim breuer
Correct.
It's like a gang, another gang.
You gotta kill a guy on a Wednesday and bring me his ear back and you get a jacket.
joe rogan
Google NASA scientists with Nazi dueling scars.
jim breuer
We're gonna up them.
We're gonna...
joe rogan
Imagine you're trying to get to the moon.
You're like, I think it'd be an amazing thing for mankind.
unidentified
Right.
joe rogan
And then you go, I'd like to introduce you to Dr. Heavenstein.
Dr. Heavenstein, this is Marty.
He's going to help you with all of your needs with rocketry.
And you look at this big-ass scar on this dude's face.
You're like, did you just bring a Nazi to help me?
Is this a fucking Nazi?
jim breuer
How bad do you want to be uns scientist?
joe rogan
Is this a real Nazi?
Yeah, look at this dude.
Look at the scars on that guy's face.
The first director of NASA's Cape Canaveral was a Nazi scientist Kurt Heinrich Debus, also a participant in Operation Paperclip.
So what happened was the war was over and for whatever reason Germany had some of the most incredible scientists, man.
jim breuer
Can I just say, if you look at, go from Kennedy's, the guy with the Nazi, his face almost looks like, this is not what I was promised.
The other guy is like, I guess that's the way.
Kennedy's like, What the fuck is going on right now?
joe rogan
The guy with the shades on?
That's the guy that's in the grassy knoll.
That's the dude that killed Kennedy.
100%.
Look at him.
unidentified
Look at his body language.
jim breuer
Look at his body language.
He's the only one with the body language going, wait, what's going on right now?
And then the other guy's like, yeah, this is my bitch.
The man with the face.
I slit his face.
joe rogan
What are they even talking about?
jim breuer
Yeah, what are they talking about?
jamie vernon
This might be one that exploded or something.
joe rogan
No.
Did Apollo 1 explode?
Or was it the one that exploded on the fire on the launch pad?
jamie vernon
Yeah, something.
I just heard the video of it.
joe rogan
Is that what it was?
Was that Apollo 1?
No, I don't believe Apollo 1 was in 63, was it?
jamie vernon
I'm just going to check.
But when I was clicking around for this guy, it said he was also the leader of Apollo 1. Okay, but I don't think the Apollo 1...
joe rogan
I think that was later.
I think Apollo 1 was long after Kennedy had been assassinated.
I believe.
So the moon landing was 69. Oh, I see what you're saying.
So Apollo 1 was 67. Yeah, that's what it just said.
jamie vernon
So this wouldn't have been that, yeah.
joe rogan
Yeah, it'd be something else.
But at the end of the day, there were Nazis.
jamie vernon
62 is what this is.
joe rogan
They hired a gang of Nazis to figure out how to get to the moon, including Wernher von Braun, the head guy of NASA. I know.
The Simon Weidenstall Center.
jim breuer
But a lot of people...
You can say it a million times, and they can look it up, and they absorb it, but a lot of people still don't comprehend it, which is mind-boggling, but then you have to start questioning, So, if we started back then, when did it really, really start?
And then how involved?
I think a lot of people are afraid to put that much time and thought into, whoa, maybe there's a lot of things that have happened that we've been told and that we've been educated on by the very great professors.
And all the information and time is not exactly...
What you may have thought have been, and for some reason, I feel like so much of the population is, they just don't even want to hear it or take the time because, for whatever reason, it's too much.
joe rogan
There's a lot to sift through.
jim breuer
It's a lot to sift through, but...
joe rogan
Especially, there's so many different things to sift through.
Like, if you want to get into the Federal Reserve, like, what is it?
Hold on.
It's not a federal institution?
When you want to go into that, it takes so long.
Just to get into the Federal Reserve.
Just to try to figure out how money works.
jim breuer
Right!
And how many people still think the Federal Reserve is federal?
joe rogan
Most people.
It says federal in the name.
It's so crazy.
jim breuer
It's genius.
joe rogan
It's amazing.
jim breuer
It's genius.
joe rogan
It is genius.
Because it works.
jim breuer
Yes.
joe rogan
But it's also one of those things.
It's kind of grandfathered in.
Because it's always been there.
You know, since Nixon, right?
When did they institute the Federal Reserve?
jim breuer
Before that.
I feel like it was a long time ago.
joe rogan
Nixon took us off the gold standard, right?
Was it Nixon?
jim breuer
I don't know.
joe rogan
Who took us off the gold standard?
Was it Nixon or was it Reagan?
jamie vernon
I think it was Nixon because I think it was in the 70s.
It was like 71, I believe.
joe rogan
Right.
So when did the Federal Reserve get started?
1913. So the Federal Reserve is quite a bit before that.
jamie vernon
Woodrow Wilson.
joe rogan
It's all nuts, man.
jamie vernon
It is so nuts!
joe rogan
And then here's the nutty thing, the fucking crypto thing.
unidentified
The crypto thing is so wild.
jim breuer
I can't wrap my head around it.
joe rogan
There's going to be an amazing movie, I guarantee you, with Sam Bankman's Freed Story.
I mean, how do you not make an amazing movie about a guy who is worth fucking billions of dollars, lived in the Bahamas in a house with nine of his friends.
They all fucked each other and they all did drugs constantly.
And they openly talked about taking amphetamines on Twitter.
Like, one of the ladies that is, she is testifying against him now, Caroline, whatever her name is, his girlfriend at the time, she tweeted about how when you're on amphetamines, like, regular life, she seems so stupid.
Something along those lines.
unidentified
Yeah.
joe rogan
About, like, not being on amphetamines, regular life, seems so stupid.
Like, they're getting whacked out all the time.
Find that quote, because I know I butchered it.
jim breuer
And what is it?
This is a movie?
I understand.
joe rogan
No, there should be a movie about it.
There's a crypto exchange.
And these people were making billions of dollars.
But here's where it gets crazy.
They were the number two donor to the Democratic Party.
So they're getting away with this nonsense.
They're doing it in a place where they're not subject to the same regulations.
That's why they go to the Bahamas.
And then they're just saying, listen, everybody can have a piece of this pie.
jim breuer
They're just giving out pie.
joe rogan
They're giving out pie.
And everybody's like, this pie is amazing.
And meanwhile, everybody's going, where the fuck is my money?
unidentified
Back quote.
joe rogan
Yeah, nothing like regular amphetamine used to make you appreciate how dumb a lot of normal non-medicated human experience is.
jim breuer
Wow.
joe rogan
Of course.
jim breuer
Wow.
joe rogan
It's definitely, but that's, you know, that's room for introspection.
unidentified
Wow.
joe rogan
Hey, maybe I shouldn't be ripping people off.
If you're on amphetamines all the time, you don't have time for normal introspection.
unidentified
Wow.
joe rogan
You're fucking jacked.
I want to buy an island.
I want my own fucking spaceship.
jim breuer
Yeah!
joe rogan
How much money do we send to Democrats?
Send more.
We're going to pledge this year to send one billion dollars.
If the money's all fake, you can just send them a billion dollars.
Like, yay, here's a billion dollars of this fake money that for whatever reason I have.
jim breuer
Isn't it all crazy?
joe rogan
It's nuts.
jim breuer
So what do you do?
joe rogan
It's nuts.
jim breuer
So where do you go?
Do you spend a lot of time going, all right, where is this all going to go?
Is it going to go really beautiful?
joe rogan
Well, you're only going to have a certain amount of control, no matter what.
As an individual human being, you're only going to have a certain amount of control.
jim breuer
Yeah.
joe rogan
My hope is that cooler heads will prevail.
My hope is that as many other cataclysms and catastrophes were avoided through discourse and people waking the fuck up in the past, like the Cuban Missile Crisis, like all the shit that we went through when we were in high school, and we thought every day the Russians and us were going to go to the nuclear war.
jim breuer
Oh God, we have to go under the desk and do the bomb, do the nuclear bombs.
joe rogan
We were all freaked out.
Everybody didn't know it's my age and into younger, like until the wall fell down, everybody was terrified that we were going to have a nuclear war with Russia.
jim breuer
A hundred percent.
joe rogan
A hundred percent.
It was a thing that was like in the air.
And I remember when the Soviet Union collapsed, I was like, I know.
We got less anxious in this country.
jim breuer
Yes.
joe rogan
People don't know that.
These kids today don't know what it was like to experience that every day when we were in high school.
jim breuer
Yes.
Even grammar school.
Grammar school.
That started kindergarten.
joe rogan
All throughout our high school.
All throughout our schoolings.
We were always worried about Russia.
Everybody I know that I talked to.
People that grew up in Colorado.
People that grew up in California.
Everybody has the same stories.
jim breuer
Yeah.
joe rogan
So, when that dropped off, man, that shows that things can get better.
jim breuer
Yeah.
joe rogan
Even if it was only better for a short period of time.
And it's not even a short period of time.
It's just, this is how things go.
They go like this, and then they go like this, and then we push back, and they go like this, and they go up, and they go down, and you gotta constantly be trying to move it in a direction where there's the least amount of corruption possible.
And that's fucking hard when people have control over things.
And that's why you should fight against control.
Because control, it's never good.
It's never good when they can just decide what you do and where you go.
The fucking end point is always communism.
If you just keep going, like Jordan Peterson said, keep going down that line, you get to a communist dictatorship.
And when you hear all that kind of talk, and it's easy for people who don't have anything to go, yeah, the people who have it, they should give it to the people who don't have it.
Okay, who's telling you this?
The government is telling you this.
unidentified
Why?
joe rogan
Because they want you to fight against each other.
jim breuer
Right.
joe rogan
This is all crazy talk.
jim breuer
The billionaire is telling you and telling the masses like, no, you should share for everyone.
The guy with the four houses.
That guy.
Half his face is starting to hang now.
joe rogan
It's a fascinating exercise that he's chosen to engage in.
jim breuer
Yes.
joe rogan
If you...
jim breuer
People like that.
That's a big one.
That's big, but it's getting fuzzy.
joe rogan
If you're playing that game, right?
When you have those guys, the speculators, the guys who are involved in betting on businesses collapsing, there's a lot of people that are invested in destroying things, hostile takeovers.
They enjoy those things.
unidentified
They love I love it!
joe rogan
Bro, I had a friend who started a company, it was his own company, and hired this guy, I think, I forget what his job was, but a high-level executive, and then they tried to start a coup to get him kicked out.
It was his own company that he started!
jim breuer
It happens all the time.
And again, if it's happening there...
joe rogan
He had to battle it for a long time.
It took a long time to get out from under it.
And I was like, whoa, this is a company that he started, but that's what people do!
That's what people do.
They try to always get more and more power.
It's just what people do.
jim breuer
I feel there may come a time, I don't know, where...
Dude, it's going to take a lot.
Where we just have a game show where you start uniting people.
I always say, put a game show together, unite the people, right?
And you put the left on one side, the right side, and you're allowed to talk.
You have to talk and you have to connect before the end of the day.
You've got to come out as best friend.
But any time you mention politics, Or something you think you know, but you clearly learned it from, you're emotionally involved, you get zapped, electrocuted, something like that.
And it's just the whole game is...
What?
Alright, like for instance.
For instance.
joe rogan
If you bring up politics, you get zapped?
jim breuer
Yeah, like for instance.
Because we need to unite.
Do you know what I mean?
We need to unite.
So...
Like when we had no, when we had no, uh, supplies.
Okay, man.
Oh, we got no supplies.
But you, you'd have a billion Trump boating parades.
You tell me at that time how to put the two sides together.
You could have took the Trump boat paraders and you had to put on everyone at Hayes Trump and you get like, you know, you put, and you go get the supplies.
But you have to connect, get the supplies, without fighting about politics.
The point of the story is...
I'm all over the place.
The point of the story is...
It doesn't matter how much you hate each other, how divided, what you think about.
We're all going to connect the minute I feel we unplug from it all and ignore it all.
I don't know how that looks though.
joe rogan
We're all going to connect if there's another conflict.
If there's a conflict on our shores, we're all going to connect again.
That would be undeniable.
If there was some sort of an attack, another 9-11, that would be what brought people together in 2001, would bring people together in 2024. When it brought people together in 2001, it was shocking.
Everywhere in LA, everybody had American flags on their cars.
It was a totally different vibe.
And again, I hate to say it, because I don't want it to happen.
jim breuer
No.
joe rogan
But when people realized, like, what's really important, and that it's not all this bullshit that people are fighting about all the time, I think that's...
I used to joke about the idea that Intelligence agencies would infiltrate areas of society and ruin them to keep people fighting against each other.
I'm like, why would they do that?
Why would they do that?
jim breuer
I know.
joe rogan
They don't have the time to do that.
But now I think they definitely have done that.
They've definitely done that.
So that's kind of a crazy thing when you've got something that's working for the people and against the people on the people's money.
jim breuer
And I think a lot...
I know this sounds crazy, but I think a lot of that has to do with spirit.
Like what you said, when everything went down, everyone looked at the firemen, the police officers, everyone that helped as heroes.
There was a spirit.
There was a spirit that united people that wanted...
Now, going into conflict was a whole different story.
And I also felt, over the next couple...
After that spirit, I almost feel like, oh man, the bad guys...
They didn't expect that much spirit from us to look after each other.
And then the next years, they're like, now we got to demonize the police and demonize.
So now they started all this complete chaos.
And I do hope what you're talking about, like if, God forbid, I pray to God.
I think we all do.
No one ever wants violence of anything.
But I hope that's not what we need to make our spirits come alive.
I really do.
joe rogan
I think It's not necessary.
jim breuer
It's not necessary.
joe rogan
It's possible that we can get our shit together without that.
I know it is.
But I think that when things happen, that was initially in the beginning of COVID I was hoping that would happen.
I was hoping that we'd unite people.
It had the opposite effect.
But I was hoping when the country got shut down that people were gonna be cooler to each other because they realized like hey Under the threat of something that none of us can control that could take our loved ones away.
We all have a shared interest in common and that's Keeping society running and getting back to normal again.
I think I was hopeful I well because I had lived through 9-11 I remember what that was like that after those days like I remember people were genuinely nicer For months, for months, for a long time after 9-11.
Over the whole country, everywhere you went, people had, they were cooler.
jim breuer
No, you're 100% right, but I do feel what that time did, at least for me, it taught me how judgmental I am, it taught me how much anger I still have in me, it taught me how much resentment I might have towards people, but what it did do, like I... 9-11 did that?
No, no, no, no.
COVID. Yeah.
We formed, like I would go to this coffee shop.
I've been going there forever and ever and ever.
And one friend I talked about a while ago.
But that group, and they still hang out all the time.
There's a lot of differences in that group.
There was one or two of us that would go around and around with vaccines and blah, blah, blah, and what are you with this?
And I tried to explain.
The point of the story is I remember a moment where we were all sitting together.
There was like 25 of us.
Dude, you know what it's like for guys to hang out?
But when you add wives, and there's nothing against women or what, but when you start pairing up Couples, and they started hanging out.
We started hanging, first of all, this group would hang out every day, all different walks of life, all different walks of life, all different financial brackets.
And then after a while, you know, we'd play wiffle ball, do whatever, we'd hang out.
We're like, we've got to do something besides drinking.
We started finding more things to do.
Then it brought us close, and we started bringing the wives, and then all the wives started hanging out.
And then we started having big gatherings.
My house, my friend Tom's house.
And we all looked at, this guy needs his basement.
Everyone's like, hey, this guy's going to the airport.
Hey, this one's mother is having some issues.
And we'd all...
And I'll never forget a really cool moment was we were in Morristown, New Jersey.
We were all sitting down and my friend Basil was sitting, big guy from Greece.
He's sitting there and I'm looking like, I go, Basil, like, How did this happen?
Like, this guy's a lawyer.
This guy's a 9-11 fireman, my friend Joe.
This guy's a fireman.
This guy's a landscaper.
This guy's from this country.
And he just simply said, you know why, Jim?
Because nobody thinks who they are.
And I feel like we live in a society...
Where not only do we trust, we put way too much trust in people who think who they are.
joe rogan
What do you mean by that?
jim breuer
What I mean is, you are one of the biggest voices in the world.
You don't walk around the streets.
You don't meet me backstage.
You don't talk to the people if you're going to go to the deli.
unidentified
You don't act.
jim breuer
Like, you are one of the biggest – a ball player.
There's two ball players, the billionaires.
One comes in.
A lawyer.
Two lawyers come in.
One guy thinks he's dessert.
Do you know who I am?
I'm the biggest lawyer in the world.
I'm the judge.
Do you realize I'm the CEO? Do you realize I'm the top veterinarian and blah, blah, blah?
Do you realize those people have been trained to a mindset that closes them?
Oh, this guy's below me.
What does he know?
I mean, this group, the reason we got along, and I'm okay with him being a pusher of vaccines.
I'm like, you know what?
It's all right.
I still know the human side of you.
This guy's pushing his electric cars, which I think is the most ridiculous thing in the world.
But you know what?
It's getting him and this guy through and blah, blah, blah.
And at the end of the day, when we really need each one and one another, when it came from family or an issue or tragedy...
We didn't care about any of that.
We didn't care that I was a comedian.
We didn't care about any of us what we did.
It was that spirit and nucleus of just us being pure humans and caring with our hearts after one another rather than giving a shit what we do for a living and do you know who I am?
joe rogan
I'm not gonna sit here while you disparage electric cars.
jim breuer
I got one.
I got one.
joe rogan
They're the shit.
jim breuer
I got one.
unidentified
Jamie.
jim breuer
I got one.
jamie vernon
I don't think it's fully electric.
Did you see the new G-Wagon stuff?
joe rogan
Oh, yeah, they got a hybrid.
unidentified
It's not mine.
jamie vernon
It does its 360. Oh, yeah.
joe rogan
Yeah, those G-Wagons are out of control.
jamie vernon
It's got electric stuff on it, yeah.
joe rogan
You ever see the G-Wagon squared?
It's like for people that don't think a G-Wagon is showy enough.
You get a double-sized G-Wagon.
jim breuer
Right.
But the point is, I don't care about electric cars.
You know what I mean?
joe rogan
Bro, they're amazing.
jim breuer
I don't let that go.
joe rogan
They're amazing.
jim breuer
Well, I get it.
I have one, too.
joe rogan
Which one do you have?
jim breuer
I have the Chevy Bolt.
My daughter drives it.
My daughter drives it.
And it's awesome.
joe rogan
You need to drive a Tesla.
jim breuer
I don't want one.
Drive a Model S Plaid.
I have no interest.
joe rogan
It's a spaceship.
unidentified
It's a spaceship.
jim breuer
I like pumping the gas in.
joe rogan
I do too.
jim breuer
I enjoy it.
Jimmy, I've been in this!
My friend Tom scares the shit out of me and go like, it drives by itself and looks at it like, dude!
joe rogan
I don't do that.
I don't do that.
But I do it occasionally.
But I keep my hand right there.
I really do.
Most of the time I like to drive it.
But the thing is, driving it is extraordinary.
jim breuer
It's like being on a rocket.
Watch this.
Zero to a thousand.
joe rogan
You don't have to do that.
That's not what I'm saying.
The way it just integrates with traffic.
Not just going crazy like a maniac and doing something horrible.
It's a different game.
It's playing a different game.
It can go to places where your regular car can't go.
It can merge way faster than your regular car can and not cause any problems.
You know you have to speed up to get on the highway speeds.
Everyone's going 70. You fuck it up for the people in the right lane.
Not with that car.
You're like...
jim breuer
Joe, I live in Florida.
Everyone's 70, 80 years old.
I ain't in a hurry.
joe rogan
I know you're not in a hurry.
It's not about being in a hurry.
It's about the wonder that you feel when you're in control of this immense technology.
I have been a gearhead my whole life.
I had muscle cars when I was in high school, and as soon as I started making money, one of the first things I wanted to do was get a dope car.
I love cars.
jim breuer
I know.
joe rogan
So I'm not an anti-combustion engine guy.
I love those things.
My favorite cars are 1960s to early 1970s muscle cars.
jim breuer
Yeah.
joe rogan
Those are my favorite cars by far, but they are dog shit compared to a Tesla.
The way that thing moves, it's just...
jim breuer
I agree.
joe rogan
If a muscle car could move like that, oh my God.
Even the The best, like, when they take a car and they retrofit it with all these amazing parts and they make it a resto mod with a modern engine and modern brakes, it can't fuck with one of those electric cars.
jim breuer
You know what it is?
joe rogan
Those things are on a totally different level.
jim breuer
Maybe I'm...
You know what?
I'll admit, I'm a little intimidated, almost like...
My kid trying to show me how to use my phone.
I'm like, there's too many buttons.
I don't want to deal with this.
joe rogan
Those things are easy.
jim breuer
I love getting in someone's Tesla.
I love that.
And they get the whole, he just presses the button.
joe rogan
Do you know how to make a phone call with your phone?
jim breuer
Yeah.
joe rogan
Do you know how to send a text?
jim breuer
Yeah.
joe rogan
You can drive a Tesla.
It's not hard.
jim breuer
No, I know that.
The screen's just based too much for me.
joe rogan
It's great if you're fucking looking at the navigation.
It's the greatest screen ever for navigation.
You're looking at a literal iPad in front of you.
jim breuer
I believe it.
joe rogan
It shows you all the roads coming up.
It's fucking fantastic.
jim breuer
I believe it.
joe rogan
Can't be scared.
If you're going to drive, drive one once.
Drive one once.
You'll drive it and you go, oh shit.
This is amazing.
It's a future.
Jamie, talk to him about your plaid.
jim breuer
I agree with you.
joe rogan
Tell him.
Tell him how it feels.
jamie vernon
I can't sell it better than you just did.
jim breuer
You sold it.
jamie vernon
Leaving a red light is the best.
joe rogan
It's the best.
The light turns green, you're like, bye!
unidentified
Whee!
Whee!
jim breuer
If you're in the front, you're like, whee!
joe rogan
You're going 70 miles an hour before they hit 20. There's no gears.
It's one gear.
unidentified
I got it.
I got it.
joe rogan
Bro.
jim breuer
I got it.
joe rogan
Talk to me.
jamie vernon
It's fun when someone thinks, like, oh, a Tesla pull up next to me.
Watch this.
joe rogan
Oh, dude.
I remember I was in my GT3 RS. I have a GT3 RS that's built by Shark Works.
They take a regular GT3 RS and they juice it up to 518 horsepower.
And it sounds like a dragon.
And this dude in a silent Model 3 just zipped past me.
I gunned it, man.
unidentified
I tried to keep up.
jim breuer
You're not taking me out.
joe rogan
I didn't have a chance in hell.
He was way faster than me.
And that car is fast.
It's a literal race car.
jim breuer
Yeah, I believe you.
joe rogan
It's a fast car.
And it was nothing compared to that little electric car.
jim breuer
It went, wee, bye.
See ya.
Bye-bye.
joe rogan
You look stupid.
Making all that dumb noise.
Rum, rum, rum.
jim breuer
I'm three lights behind you.
But the thing is, life is not a race.
joe rogan
And the thing about cars is what I always tell people, if you really want to enjoy a car, what you want is a car.
It doesn't have to be the fastest car.
You want to get it down to where you feel the most about what's going on.
That's what driving a car is really all about.
The more numb it gets, like a Tesla's kind of numb.
It's electric.
It doesn't make any sound.
It handles really well because it's got all these computers that are calculating everything and amazing suspension.
But those old cars, you feel everything.
You feel in your ass.
Fast when you're going around a corner.
You feel the weight distribution of the car.
You know where the braking points of the tires are.
You know exactly how much pull you have to have, especially if you have a manual steering car, like an old car that has manual steering, like an old Porsche.
Those things are magical.
They're not fast, man.
They're not fast.
I have a 1993 Porsche.
It's a 964. It's got like 300 horsepower.
It's not fast, but it's magical to drive.
You feel everything, man.
It's like you're on a ride.
You're feeling the bumps on your ass.
You're feeling the tires.
You're literally connected to how they're gripping the road.
Feedback's going through your fingers.
You're feeling the engine revving your foot when you hit the accelerator.
You're feeling it.
It's not fast, but it's insanely enjoyable.
Because you're connected to this mechanism, you're connected to this pinnacle of engineering.
And the irony is, as we've gotten better at engineering, we've removed the enjoyment of driving a raw car.
Raw cars are the most enjoyable thing to drive.
unidentified
Okay.
joe rogan
At least for me.
unidentified
I got you.
joe rogan
My wife doesn't want nothing to do with those stupid cars.
Loud, fucking stinky.
unidentified
I know.
joe rogan
She loves a nice electric car.
unidentified
Whee!
joe rogan
No noise.
unidentified
Whee!
jim breuer
I get it.
I'm in.
joe rogan
A lot of people don't like it.
jim breuer
It has nothing to do with liking.
joe rogan
But if you could drive a 1970 Porsche, a good one with a real good suspension, one that's been done up a little bit so it handles better.
Oh my God.
jim breuer
That's the way to go?
joe rogan
2,200 pounds.
You can get one that's 2,200 pounds.
It doesn't need much horsepower, like 260, 270. That's all you need.
And you just...
I'm telling you, if you did, it'll change your life.
It'll change your life.
jim breuer
I'm not going to debate it with you.
joe rogan
It's not something you go to the grocery store with.
It's something you're like, Jim's got to clear his head.
jim breuer
Is that what it is?
joe rogan
Yeah, you're on a ride.
jim breuer
I'm a part-child.
joe rogan
And you're feeling it.
Roll that fucking window down because you've got to do it like this.
You've got to roll that bitch.
You've got to actually crank it.
unidentified
And you're feeling the engine behind you.
joe rogan
You're on the fucking highway.
unidentified
Woo!
joe rogan
Jim's on the highway.
jim breuer
Mine's getting slower.
The windows are coming down.
joe rogan
Show me Magnus Walker.
Magnus Walker takes his Porsche out on the highway.
I think he took it out on the 110. This is a perfect example of this guy.
This guy collects these old Porsches.
He's this dude who made a bunch of money in clothing and textiles and shit.
He's got this business now where he just makes Porsches.
He takes these Porsches and makes these outlaw cars.
So he juices up the engine.
But they're these little tiny light cars.
Listen to him drive it.
unidentified
It doesn't matter what you drive.
Share the same common passion.
And that ultimately is to get out and drive.
joe rogan
This dude's in a little ride, son.
jim breuer
That ain't a car.
unidentified
Let me see if you can scoot ahead.
joe rogan
This is a long video to him driving.
jim breuer
Where is this?
joe rogan
I don't know.
He's from England, but he lives in California.
I've been to his place.
He's got a dope warehouse in downtown LA, and he keeps all these Porsches in.
I went and visited him.
So, just show him driving this fucking thing.
So here's his work.
Here it is.
This is what I'm talking about.
jim breuer
Okay.
I should need to pay attention.
joe rogan
This is what I'm talking about.
And this is an old turbo.
This is a wild little car.
They used to call those widow makers.
Because when you go around a corner with those things, it's all rear weight bias.
So they whip around and do a fucking 360 and you smash into things.
People don't know how to drive these things and get fucked up.
jim breuer
This guy's flying!
joe rogan
He drives late at night, man.
He gets out late at night when there's no one on the road and he takes these little wild Porsches out.
This motherfucker's in a video game.
He's in like a real live video game.
Look at this.
The thing about those cars is you don't even have to drive them fast for it to feel like you're going fast.
Because you're so connected to them, if you're driving 50, 60 miles an hour, it feels like you're going 100 in a regular car.
It feels wild.
Because you feel the speed, the light.
This is one of his best ones.
This little thing's super light.
I mean, this dude is on a ride, son.
He's not in a fucking Buick.
Listen to that thing.
He's downshifting.
Rev matching.
This motherfucker knows what he's doing.
He knows how to drive one of these things.
That's a little piece of art.
That's a different experience.
jim breuer
That's his zen.
That's your zen.
joe rogan
That's so much different than driving an electric car.
That's the total opposite of an electric car.
Because it's not the most efficient.
It's not the biggest technological marvel.
But it's the perfect balance of fun and feel.
jim breuer
I got you.
joe rogan
And transportation.
jim breuer
I got you.
joe rogan
Just makes my dick hard.
jim breuer
See?
I'm the opposite with a bicycle ride at night.
joe rogan
That's a great thing too.
jim breuer
Yes!
joe rogan
That's a great thing.
That's not the opposite.
That's a beautiful thing.
jim breuer
Like taking a bicycle ride.
Pitch black.
No one out.
It's peaceful.
It's beautiful.
joe rogan
A bicycle ride at night is amazing.
jim breuer
Not, not?
joe rogan
No.
jim breuer
Spent.
A ride.
unidentified
Ride.
Yes.
joe rogan
Just get on a bike and just drive around.
jim breuer
Clear your head.
joe rogan
Yeah.
You know what I've done too?
It's nice.
unidentified
What's that?
joe rogan
Jet skis on a lake at night.
unidentified
Ooh.
joe rogan
Not going fast.
Just tuning around, bro.
Just tuning around.
jim breuer
I want jet skis.
Not that I want.
I would love, if I had the opportunity, I think jet skis rather than a boat.
joe rogan
Jet skis are amazing because you can go so fast in those fucking things and there's no risk.
Well, there's a risk.
You could definitely hurt yourself if you fail.
But not nearly the same kind of risk if you're on a motorcycle.
But you're like on a motorcycle, just on a motorcycle on the water.
But it's really balanced.
They are fun.
unidentified
All right.
jim breuer
So, here.
Here's my thing with fast.
Let me tell you when I stopped at the fast.
I was a fast guy.
This is one of those weird moments.
I'm being dead honest.
joe rogan
Okay.
jim breuer
I just got my new car.
Swear to God.
I'm doing a gig.
I'm out and this freaked me out.
This is why.
So, I go do the gig.
And as I'm driving back, it's about, I don't know, 1.30, 2 in the morning.
It's way out in Long Island.
I'm going back to Jersey because it's striking distance going back home.
As I'm in the left lane, okay?
It's the rain.
It's dark.
I'm with my friend Rob.
I'm flying.
joe rogan
Oh no.
jim breuer
I love going, I'm hitting 90, 95. To me, that's awesome.
joe rogan
And it's raining?
jim breuer
Yeah, it's raining, but it just finished raining, and now I'm on the Jersey side, and on my life, as I'm driving, the inside goes, Jim, go in the middle lane.
I'm not talking about...
Dude.
And as I'm...
Middle lane.
And he doesn't even know I'm having this conversation in my head.
unidentified
Right.
jim breuer
I'm saying, I go in the middle lane.
I... And it was not only the middle lane, just because of the car.
Just slow down a life, Jim.
unidentified
Right?
jim breuer
So, this is my wackiness.
I go into the middle lane.
On my life, Joe.
On my life.
This freaked me out.
The second I got in that middle lane, there was a car...
All the lights off.
joe rogan
Oh no.
jim breuer
In the left fucking lane.
joe rogan
Oh no.
jim breuer
Just sitting there.
joe rogan
Oh no.
jim breuer
And I went, and the two of us went, holy shit!
Dude.
Dude, if we didn't fucking move to the middle lane, we'd have fucking hit the...
And then I noticed, as we were going, it was a bunch of cars on the side, so I don't know what kind of accident broke out.
Dude, that...
joe rogan
I had the exact same experience.
jim breuer
That shit happens to me, and I don't look at it as, like, nothing.
joe rogan
I had the exact same experience.
The exact same.
It was me and my friend John.
We were driving in New York, and we were coming home from playing pool.
And I was in the second to left lane, and I saw it up ahead because it had very dull hazard lights.
The battery was dead, so the hazard lights were very dull.
And I saw it, and I went, oh shit, and I changed lanes.
And then I looked behind me in the rearview mirror, and I saw a car hit it.
Just full on, boom, spinning out of control, boom, another car hits.
We watched this fucking pylon happen right behind us.
jim breuer
Dude, the fact of what I go far out there, what made me at that moment say, get in the middle lane?
I didn't even see it!
I didn't even see the lights.
So that's why I know you love the fast.
I don't have that adrenaline.
joe rogan
Yeah, but I'm not into doing that.
It freaks me out.
You don't understand.
I'm not into going fast on the highway.
What I'm really interested in is input from a car.
I don't need to be going fast.
I like muscle cars.
They give you input.
There's a field you have when you're riding them.
You don't have to ride them irresponsibly to enjoy it.
You're connected to the machine.
It's just a different...
It's a different thing.
jim breuer
I got it.
joe rogan
It's just a different thing.
jim breuer
I got it!
unidentified
I don't mean you should be driving irresponsibly.
joe rogan
You know, that's the thing that he's doing.
I mean, he's really doing that on these open roads.
jim breuer
He's going to close it down or he's got it down to his science.
joe rogan
I think he just goes really late at night.
I think that's the move.
I think if you're like a city dweller and you live in downtown LA, there ain't shit going on there at night.
There's no one there at night.
Downtown LA is weird, dude.
It's weird.
Because you think like downtown, wherever, New York City, oh my god, it's going to be hop-ins, going to be restaurants and people.
Downtown LA is a zombie movie.
unidentified
What do you mean?
joe rogan
It's a full-on zombie movie.
It's the craziest homeless population on earth.
jim breuer
Still?
joe rogan
Oh my god, dude.
Have you ever been down to those side streets that are complete skid row?
Where they're totally covered with people?
Dude, I saw it in like...
I was filming Fear Factor there in like 2003. That's how far back it goes.
Yeah.
2003 there was skid row.
It's way before that.
There's a documentary on that hotel.
What's that hotel called again, Jimmy?
The Cecil Hotel.
That was that hotel where a lady died.
They thought that someone had killed her, but she was offered medication.
She jumped into the tanks, the water tanks on the roof, and they found her in there.
So there's this documentary they did on the Cecil Hotel, and then it becomes this history of Skid Row.
And what Skid Row would be, they would find people, degenerates, homeless people, drug addicts from one place, and they would just go take them and drop them off right in this one area where there's a shelter and then there's food and keep them there.
And so they developed this fucking internal village in Los Angeles that's all drug addict, homeless people.
It's insane!
I'm talking thousands and thousands of people in this area.
jim breuer
I know, but we should put more money in climate change and help out there.
joe rogan
Well, the fucked up thing about that is they engineered that.
They made that area.
jim breuer
That's how I feel.
joe rogan
They sent people to those spots.
And they had...
Police that kept people from leaving that area.
jim breuer
You've been traveling.
Haven't you seen certain cities over the last couple years, out of nowhere, all of a sudden has a huge homeless population?
joe rogan
Yeah, a lot.
jim breuer
In my opinion, from traveling.
I remember Denver was one of the first places where I was like, what the?
This happened quick.
Why are they all in Denver?
And then Portland.
I was seeing LA, but not to the...
I've been out of LA a long time, so not to the extent that you have.
San Fran, the first time...
My God, it was like 2017, 18. I was traumatized what I saw in just a short amount of time.
It wasn't that crazy.
I don't remember it being that crazy 2015 compared to 2017, 18. It got insane.
It was depressing.
I saw a guy sticking a needle in it.
I saw homeless people yelling at people.
joe rogan
They made it more convenient for them.
They were more tolerant of them.
And they gave them money to stay there.
There's a lot of cities in the Pacific Northwest.
I don't know if it's Portland or Seattle.
One of them, they interviewed this guy.
And he was talking about how he gets a check.
He gets a check every month.
And so it's like beneficial for him to stay on the street.
He doesn't have to do anything.
He can get his drugs and get his food.
And he just sleeps on the streets.
And they're paying them.
They're essentially paying them to never improve their condition.
I doubt it.
I mean, maybe people voted out.
They're out of their mind up there.
jim breuer
But like, either way, why do you put in there?
joe rogan
Those people are in a death cult.
They're in a suicide death cult.
They want their city to spiral out of control.
They want no cops.
They want trans kids everywhere.
I don't know, man.
There has to be a recent- China, TikTok, probably Russia.
jim breuer
It doesn't make sense.
joe rogan
I gotta pee.
jim breuer
I gotta pee really bad, too.
joe rogan
We'll come back.
jim breuer
It just doesn't make sense.
joe rogan
It doesn't make sense that people are buying into it, right?
We'll be right back.
I think there's a fucking game going on, Jim.
That game is total control of the human population.
It's the same game that's been going on since the British Empire.
jim breuer
The beginning of time.
joe rogan
The same game that went on when Portugal went to South America.
It's the same game that we've been doing forever.
The same game.
It's just being done on a different playing field.
It's a different world.
There's a different influence.
There's this whole digital thing that no one's completely got control of yet.
And there's a lot of AI talk, and we don't exactly know what the state of the art is.
It's shocking how good it is already.
jim breuer
So the other day, I don't know what it was, but over Florida, Southwest Florida, my daughter and I were riding a bicycle.
You saw a UFO? No, it wasn't a UFO. It was this.
Wait, it was...
joe rogan
You saw that giant alien at the Miami Mall?
unidentified
No.
jim breuer
Dude.
Epstein's Island.
unidentified
Can we send out the aliens, please, immediately?
joe rogan
10-foot Anunnaki.
jim breuer
It was 10-foot Anunnaki.
Where's the video?
joe rogan
There's clear, grainy video footage.
There's fucking high-resolution cell phone footage of those kids beating the fuck out of people at that mall.
jim breuer
How many cameras are in a freaking mall?
There's no cameras in a mall?
You don't have anyone video test?
joe rogan
They don't work on aliens.
The cameras don't work.
jim breuer
Oh, you know what?
That's what it's...
No, so we're looking up in a...
Damn it.
joe rogan
I had a friend of mine try to convince me that the aliens erased the video footage that he was getting of the flying saucer that was in his backyard.
jim breuer
Come on.
joe rogan
No, he really believed it.
jim breuer
No, so this was...
unidentified
I'm like, bro, you forgot to press record.
jim breuer
Jesus Christ.
joe rogan
What is that?
jim breuer
I don't know!
That's what I'm asking you.
joe rogan
That looks like a launch, so that could be either a missile test or that could be a satellite launch.
Where was that?
You're near Cape Canaveral.
SpaceX?
Yeah.
jim breuer
But here's where it was wild.
joe rogan
You're near Cape Canaveral, right?
jim breuer
Yeah.
joe rogan
Yeah, that's what that is.
Did you Google rockets being launched that day?
Or did you go straight to Reddit?
jim breuer
No, no, I knew.
I was like, I'm not going to go on either one of these.
I just watched it.
And I just watched it, to be honest with you, because it formed a cloud, and it looked like there was this weird cloud formation in the middle of the sky.
And then all of a sudden, there were two or three of them that started jetting out from each side.
I was like, oh, wow!
But what blows my mind is when you look at it, as you say it's a rocket, it's moving, you see, it almost looks like Whatever it's cutting through, you see it.
Do you know what I mean?
If you're going through water, you're like, and you see the water.
joe rogan
Right.
jim breuer
If you're going through air, it's...
joe rogan
Okay.
But do you know why?
jim breuer
No!
joe rogan
It's heat.
It's heat and condensation.
It's the same reason why you see contrails after jet engines.
jim breuer
Okay.
joe rogan
So with jet engines, when they go through the sky, we say, oh my god, they're making fake clouds.
jim breuer
Yeah, yeah, yeah.
joe rogan
They are making clouds.
jim breuer
Yes.
joe rogan
This is how they make clouds.
unidentified
Yes.
joe rogan
It's an accidental thing of having a very hot jet engine that's going through an area with a very specific amount of moisture in the air.
So when they travel through with a certain amount of humidity, a certain amount of moisture, with the heat of the jet engine, it literally creates clouds.
And the thing is, like when people say, oh, they're geoengineering, involuntarily, for sure.
Like maybe they've done some stuff, they've definitely cloud seeded, and there definitely have been some experiments about lowering the temperature of the Earth by seeding things in the clouds.
There's definitely been experiments and definitely been studies and discussions about that.
But one of the things that...
That happens when you have all the jets flying back and forth like we do, is you are 100% creating cloud cover that cools the earth.
They found that out during 9-11.
Because after 9-11, when they shut down all the airports, they shut down all the flights, and there was no planes in the sky, the temperature got warmer.
And it's because they're literally covering us with clouds every time they go over in these jets.
That's what's happening.
So when you're looking at that, that's a similar version of that.
You're looking at this insanely powerful rocket that's shooting this satellite up into the sky.
jamie vernon
There's a meteorologist explanation of that.
joe rogan
Ice crystals come out of the spacecraft exhaust, wow, are beautiful, and they glow whenever the sunlight hits them.
If we're in darkness, but the sunlight is going right past the limb of the earth, then when those ice crystals are up there, they turn into this fantastic show.
Amazing.
unidentified
Hmm.
joe rogan
So it's cold as fuck up there, dude.
You gotta realize, you ever look in a plane when it tells you the outside temperature?
jim breuer
Yeah, it's like minus 33. Yeah, what the fuck, dude?
Minus 60, it is freezing up there.
joe rogan
So when you're passing through that with a hot jet engine, you're basically making the equivalent of, like, if you go outside in the winter and go...
jim breuer
Right.
joe rogan
Right, but you're doing it in a way more extreme version.
You're literally turning it into a cloud.
jim breuer
So who is that now?
That's SpaceX?
joe rogan
I think that's SpaceX.
What is that?
Did you see that?
Yeah, I did see that.
A fucking door blew off in Alaska Airlines.
Did you see the other one where the plane crashed?
jim breuer
What?
joe rogan
Bro, this United one.
jamie vernon
I don't even think this was the door they said.
It was next to the door.
joe rogan
Oh my god, it's just a chunk of the fucking, oh my god.
jim breuer
And the person didn't fly out?
jamie vernon
Maybe it was a door, maybe it was.
jim breuer
And no one flew out?
joe rogan
Holy shit, dude.
jamie vernon
No, it happened 20 minutes after they left, and they showed them flying.
They just found a phone.
jim breuer
Can you imagine sitting right there?
jamie vernon
Someone's iPhone fell out while they were up there.
joe rogan
Oh my god.
jamie vernon
And they found it.
jim breuer
Can you imagine sitting right there?
joe rogan
It still worked?
jamie vernon
Yeah, the two people that were sitting there missed the flight, they said.
jim breuer
Are you serious?
jamie vernon
Yeah.
joe rogan
Oh my god.
jim breuer
That's bizarre.
What are the chances of that?
The one door that's going to come off...
At billions of flights, the two people that were supposed to sit there didn't come to the flight.
jamie vernon
That's the baby Jesus.
Coming down while the doors opened.
joe rogan
The baby Jesus looking out for him.
That is so crazy, dude.
jamie vernon
The flight attendant's making sure he's like, you sure there's no one there?
joe rogan
It's not even a door.
It doesn't look like a door.
It looks like a hole.
jim breuer
What do you got going on here?
jamie vernon
It's just YouTube.
jim breuer
Okay.
jamie vernon
A lot of YouTube videos that get looked up on this show.
joe rogan
Dude.
jamie vernon
Can't look at this algorithm.
jim breuer
Holy crow.
joe rogan
Yeah.
So did you see the other one where a United Airline crashed, landed, it landed, but it landed so hard that it bent the fuselage?
jim breuer
No.
joe rogan
Yeah.
jim breuer
They have video of it?
joe rogan
They don't have video, but they have photographs of the fuselage that's bent.
So whoever was flying this thing...
Someone tweeted about it.
It was like a new pilot.
jamie vernon
This was August, maybe?
joe rogan
Yeah, look at that.
Bro, it crashed so hard, it got a dent in the middle of it.
jamie vernon
Well, in Japan, those two planes ran into each other.
joe rogan
Yeah, it said it impacted the runway three times, resulting in bent fuselage.
What the fuck?
And so what happened in Japan?
Are they going through a similar thing?
Were they just hiring anybody?
jamie vernon
No, I think...
jim breuer
Oh, wait!
United was the one that was like, we have to hire X amount of this, Y amount of that.
And I think...
No, it was on the runway.
jamie vernon
They ran into each other.
joe rogan
Oh, Jesus Christ.
jamie vernon
Huge explosion.
joe rogan
Oh, my God.
That's so crazy.
jamie vernon
389 people got off.
jim breuer
No one died?
jamie vernon
No, people died on the smaller plane that hit it, I believe.
jim breuer
What a horror show.
You make the whole flight, and then that's how you...
joe rogan
Oh my god, dude.
jim breuer
You already landed.
You're done.
joe rogan
There's a fucking great book called The Strain.
And it's about, I think Guillermo del Toro wrote it.
Yeah, he did.
And then they turned it into a series.
Am I saying it right?
Was it The Strain?
They turned it into a series, but it's about this plane that lands and everybody in the plane's dead.
All their blood sucked out of them.
It's a vampire book.
jim breuer
Oh, it's a vampire.
jamie vernon
I haven't seen this yet.
Have you heard of the new Netflix movie, Society of the Snow?
It's about a plane crash.
I heard that it's very violent.
jim breuer
Has this been done?
They start eating each other?
jamie vernon
Something like that, yeah.
joe rogan
It's about people who ate each other from Lord of the Flies to Lost to Yellowjackets.
Fictional stories about plane crashes leaving people stranded in the wilderness have long been the fodder of popular entertainment.
These narratives generally delve into the dark side of human nature, often centering on how survivors eventually turn against one another under the stress of such dire circumstances.
Yeah.
That's like during COVID. Right.
It's time for a thousand.
jamie vernon
I think this is like a, not a remake, a retelling of the rugby crash.
jim breuer
They made a movie out of it.
joe rogan
True story about 16 members and supporters of a Uruguayan rugby team managed to survive 72 days in one of the world's harshest environments by doing the opposite.
While the movie is plenty harrowing, it's also a moving account of how those who lived through the now infamous 1972 crash of the Uruguayan Air Force Flight 571 banded together to overcome nearly two and a half months of starvation, frigid temperatures, and extreme weather events while trapped on a remote glacier high in the Antis Mountains.
Here's what the factor is there.
Uruguayan Air Force.
So you're dealing with high-level individuals, right?
You're dealing with people that are in the fucking Air Force.
jim breuer
Right, so they've trained...
joe rogan
These aren't just like regular fat civilians that lie about their taxes.
unidentified
Right.
joe rogan
These are soldiers.
jim breuer
Right.
joe rogan
And so they banded together.
And they survived.
And that's the good story.
Well, what's the fucking factor in that story?
Real humans.
Hard men.
Real humans that have gone through something very difficult to become a member of the Air Force.
And they know how to band together.
They've been well trained.
They have discipline.
unidentified
Yeah.
joe rogan
That's what the fucking world needs, bro.
That's what the world needs.
All this toxic masculinity talk.
Oh my god, that is China.
unidentified
They're doing that to you.
jamie vernon
I don't think that's what the Air Force needs.
joe rogan
They're doing it to you.
What do you mean?
jamie vernon
I don't think I meant that they were in the Air Force.
jim breuer
No, but you're right.
joe rogan
They had no connection to the Air Force?
jamie vernon
Yeah, I think it's just what they called the planes.
joe rogan
So who are the people?
jamie vernon
The people on the rugby team.
joe rogan
Oh, well there again.
Okay, athletes.
The rugby team.
That's right.
They were the rugby team.
So that.
There's another version.
Rugby team.
Those rugby players are fucking animals.
How tough are those goddamn guys?
How tough are those motherfuckers?
They're crashed into each other with no helmets on.
jim breuer
I have a guy in my development who wants to play and I'm like, I can't.
I'm not doing it.
joe rogan
Those guys are animals.
jim breuer
No, they're animals.
I can't do that.
joe rogan
You ever see when they do the haka?
jim breuer
Yes!
Wait, no.
Is that like the warrior?
joe rogan
Yeah, before they do...
Holy shit, bro.
jim breuer
It's spooky!
joe rogan
It's amazing.
jim breuer
Now, can you imagine like a thousand people invading your town doing that?
People had already laid out.
I don't want to fight these guys.
I'm out.
joe rogan
Imagine just looking like those Braveheart-type wars.
Yeah.
We're looking at people on the other side.
jim breuer
I'm out!
joe rogan
Show me some of that, Jamie.
Show me some of that.
This is a rugby team.
jim breuer
Now imagine these guys showed up.
joe rogan
These guys are animals.
jim breuer
We're gonna fight.
joe rogan
They got all taped up ears and shit.
They're ready to go to war.
jim breuer
They're ready to go to war.
joe rogan
This is a totally different kind of game.
unidentified
Yeah.
joe rogan
There's no, they got no pads on, man.
There's no pads.
jim breuer
No pads.
joe rogan
And these guys fucking collide with each other.
Watch this.
unidentified
Tell me you're not getting fired up.
jim breuer
Imagine this guy did this in the bar as you're coming out.
You said the wrong thing.
joe rogan
Not good.
unidentified
Okay.
Listen to that fucking crowd, dude.
I'm going to go to the top.
jamie vernon
That's not aggressive, is it, walking up to the line like that?
unidentified
And that guy is crazy There was one dude in the back he's like oh my god with the fuck am I gonna get into?
jim breuer
The main guy looks like he's going to buy something zero.
joe rogan
Bro.
jim breuer
The guy on the far left looks crazy.
joe rogan
And we're over here arguing about what gender can use what bathroom.
jim breuer
Crazy, right?
joe rogan
They want us to fight over stupid shit.
jim breuer
I remember when it first came out.
joe rogan
They want us to become feminized.
They want us to become weaker.
They want us to become stupor.
They want us to become more docile, more dependent.
That's just how people are, kids.
jim breuer
It's dehumanizing.
You're dehumanizing.
Take out the spirit and what your existence is.
It's your true existence, your natural.
joe rogan
I think that's how things move.
I think that's how things progress.
You have to have a resistance to something's infringing, and then you have to have a resistance, and then things improve because you realize the power and the importance of this moment.
You have to overcome this as a society.
We have to overcome this.
But we have to be forced into this conflict to be able to rise to overcome it.
And I think that's what's happened all throughout history with wars.
And this is a kind of a war.
It's kind of a culture war.
jim breuer
Psychological.
joe rogan
Yeah.
And the culture war is attached to physical wars.
And it can manipulate those physical wars.
It's wild times, kids.
This is the wildest of times.
And we just got to hope that cooler heads prevail and no one decides to get nuclear.
No one decides to get Oppenheimer up in this bitch.
jim breuer
That's what I don't understand, too.
I remember last time I was here, people, just everyday people, how hard is it?
Why do we allow If they say, hey man, Russia's a problem, Israel, or whatever conflict there is, how come you never just talk to the people?
Why do you have to talk to the ones?
But why can't you?
Who is allowing this?
Why do we allow this?
Why do we allow your entire existence to be controlled by someone that can force one of your children or yourself Into a situation they have nothing to do with.
Sure.
And we're talking about murdering them or teaching them to murder.
joe rogan
Well, that's definitely the argument against the draft, right?
The draft is you're taking people against their will and you're forcing them to fight for their country against a war that may ultimately prove to be unjustified.
Who says it's justified?
jim breuer
Exactly.
joe rogan
That's the best example that we have because it's universally regarded as being started by a false flag.
And probably it was a part of a fucking crazy drug money operation.
At least part of it.
jim breuer
That was a genocide.
And that...
That's another thing.
When you sit and you really think about it, that's really scary when you say, that was here.
To send people in a situation that you know...
There was times where they knew it wasn't going to work out, but you keep selling them, and then they drugged everyone here.
And you can see...
You could see all the implanted chaos and what they were doing.
If you're not educated, you're going to have to go fight.
If you don't have money, you're going to have to go fight.
Okay, if you're going to stay here, let's start the camps.
Let's start dropping all these drugs.
Let's put out this genre of music.
Let's make sure this music starts really kicking in.
joe rogan
That's the weird conspiracy theory, that Hollywood or the CIA created a lot of rock and roll.
That's a weird one.
Why is it that weird?
Well, it's just weird.
Not saying that it's not true.
jim breuer
You get them on every level, entertainment and everything.
It's just like, to a degree, sports or something like that.
joe rogan
Right, right, right.
But it's not possible to create something like The Doors without insane talent and dedication.
A bunch of things have to be happening.
So how much influence do they really have?
I mean, if they can, how much influence do they really have where they can create Light My Fire?
jim breuer
Who creates the airwaves?
joe rogan
No, no, no, no, no, no.
I mean, the actual recording itself is brilliant.
jim breuer
Yes, I agree.
joe rogan
You know, Break On Through to the Other Side is a fucking brilliant song.
It's a brilliant song.
It's one of those songs where it brings you back to the year in which it was made.
You feel it in the song.
It's like a time capsule.
That song's magic.
So if the CIA really did create rock and roll, if the CIA really was involved in the hippie movement, how much were they involved in the magic that was the doors?
Can you do that again, please?
Were you guys really involved in Hendrix?
Because that's the thing.
They always said Hendrix.
Hendrix was like a product of the CIA. I'd heard that.
Like, how?
How did you make the greatest guitarist of all time?
Do it again.
Please.
What did you do?
jim breuer
And for what...
joe rogan
You know the latest one?
jim breuer
No, but I'm starting to hear all this.
joe rogan
The latest one is rap music.
The latest one is the CIA-created gangster rap to cause chaos in the communities.
jim breuer
I'll tap that entertainment thought because if you think about it, I was a metal guy.
I don't know what kind of music you were into.
So I was very like...
I didn't listen to this crap.
unidentified
Black people singing, trying to steal.
jim breuer
That's the mentality of where I grew up, and the music, and da-da-da.
And so...
But then all the chicks started listening to the hip hop.
I'm going to break my heart.
She's like, dude, it's a break dance.
I'm like, oh, dude, you're going to the other side.
So it was breaking out and it was crossing over.
It was also, I wouldn't say harmless, but it was more upbeat.
And so any music that influences both sides always has to eventually get steered in a certain direction or another direction.
That's just my own thought.
And if you look at all, like, tremendous people that would start crossing over, like, oh, yeah, stop this.
He's singing about...
I even thought that sometimes about some of the deeper metal bands.
It's like, these guys are talking like, these guys running around acting all violent, smatch each other, talking about creepy death and got some issues, Charlie.
I'm telling you, they're pretty round up.
joe rogan
So you're saying that someone's controlling who makes it through and who doesn't?
jim breuer
A hundred percent.
Why wouldn't it?
Why would you allow Certain individuals or certain music to get out there, and then if it gets out there, anything that can control that much has to be monitored.
joe rogan
Well, first of all, when someone's making music, right?
In the beginning, you're not making any money.
So you gotta get really good to the point where you're an artist who makes amazing music for you to be popular at all.
You can't fake it.
People faked it a little bit with some pop songs.
They put together some bullshit, for sure.
But if you're talking about classic rock, that shit was not fake.
So good.
They tapped into some kind of creativity.
And I don't think people anticipated that.
I don't think that existed before.
I think the difference between 1950s rock and 1960s rock is the Grand Canyon.
It's crazy how different it is.
You go from fucking Buddy Holly to Led Zeppelin.
What?
You know?
You go from been a long time since we rock and roll, like you listen to that kind of music, like holy shit!
And then you go just to the 1950s, and you know, you have good music, you have fun songs, but they're kind of simplistic, man.
There's something about the drug culture.
And the drug culture influence on music, the psychedelic culture influence on music in the 1960s is substantial.
Whether it's what happened with the Beatles, what happened with, for sure, what happened with many, many, many, many bands.
Many bands.
Jimi Hendrix, absolutely.
The Doors, absolutely.
There's so many classical bands that were experimenting with LSD. They were hanging out with Ken Kesey.
There's been a lot of those bands that were doing wild shit, man.
jim breuer
So do you think, because sometimes I'll think, well, they were whacked.
Or they had been taken up because they were freeing too many minds or the motions.
joe rogan
I think they live in a lifestyle for the most part.
I mean the Kurt Cobain one is kind of crazy.
What's that?
You know, he committed suicide.
And then there's a whole conspiracy that he was actually murdered.
There was a documentary.
There was like a docu-drama where they had someone like playing the cop and you know the whole deal.
And it's sort of trying to paint this story that he was assassinated.
But at the very least, the guy was doing heroin all the time and was probably suicidal.
And a lot of the deaths, you're talking about guys like Jim Morrison, he like fucking choked to death on his own vomit, man.
Same with Hendrix.
The Hendrix one is kind of crazy because one of Hendrix's old bodyguards apparently had, he was saying that Hendrix was killed by his manager, that he was about to leave his manager.
So Hendrix's manager killed him and he controlled the rights to all of his music.
jim breuer
Now, is that that far-fetched at the end of the day?
joe rogan
It's not that far-fetched because the mob was running music back then.
Just like the mob was running Vegas, the mob was running New York City.
It wasn't like you're dealing with people at CAA. You're dealing with some incredibly unethical, dangerous people that live in the world of live entertainment.
jim breuer
Right.
joe rogan
Wild drug-using people.
jim breuer
Right.
joe rogan
Like that guy Phil Spector that killed that lady, he put a gun in that lady's mouth and shot her in the head.
And he picked her up.
She was like a waitress in Hollywood.
He brought her back to his mansion and shot her in the mouth.
And apparently he'd pull guns on people all the time and just point his gun at people.
This is the guy who's the wall of sound guy.
He's the guy that produced so much incredible music.
jim breuer
Well, there's a lot of great producers that supposedly have these dark, dark...
It's like an organized type crime, whatever that falls into.
joe rogan
They're probably doing pounds of blow, dude.
They're probably doing pounds.
Guns of blow.
jim breuer
As long as this table.
joe rogan
There's no way a guy who puts guns in people's mouths not doing blow.
jim breuer
That's crazy.
Yeah, no, you're right.
joe rogan
100% not smoking weed.
That guy's doing blow.
jim breuer
That guy's definitely on something outside of weed.
joe rogan
He's out of his fucking mind on blow.
jim breuer
Yeah, that's far out, bro.
joe rogan
He's out of his mind on blow.
Yeah, and he would wear wacky wigs.
He was bald, but he would wear these crazy wigs.
Like crazy, like afro wigs.
You ever seen his wigs?
unidentified
No.
joe rogan
He'd change his wigs all the time when he was in court.
jim breuer
What's the guy?
Who's the guy?
joe rogan
Phil Spector.
jim breuer
Yes.
joe rogan
See if you can find Phil Spector's different wigs that he wore.
Look at it.
So this is during his trial.
jim breuer
Yeah, look at this guy.
joe rogan
Imagine you want people to think you're not guilty and you literally dress like a Willy Wonka character.
jim breuer
Look at the pictures of this guy.
joe rogan
He wore different wigs.
So how many different wigs did he wear during the trial?
jim breuer
He got a crazy power trip, lost his mind.
joe rogan
Yeah, he was an evil man.
jim breuer
Lost his mind.
joe rogan
Yeah, he lost his mind.
jim breuer
I shouldn't say lost his mind.
It was lost before he entered this realm.
joe rogan
But you also have to realize, this guy was a music producer, again, back in the 1960s, man.
unidentified
Okay.
joe rogan
Like, who was he dealing with?
What kind of organized crime figures were involved in music back then?
How gangster was that business?
How much did they have control over those artists back then?
A lot, man.
jim breuer
A lot.
unidentified
Again.
jim breuer
Again.
And so I'm saying...
I don't know anything about CIA or anything like that, but I'm open to all conversations because at the end of the day, there's a billion people that are incredibly artistic and all that.
How many fall by the wayside?
And who is to be allowed to put out there?
And you say, well, you know, they write that good music, but...
You don't know.
Yeah, I do believe some of them write that music, but you know, they also send so-and-so to help influence it.
joe rogan
You never know, man.
jim breuer
You know what I mean?
joe rogan
Well, it is weird when some people make it and some people don't.
And we found a song a while back.
Brian Simpson sent it to me.
It's I'm Alive by this dude Johnny Thunder.
And he made this song.
I never heard of Johnny Thunder.
He sent me this song.
Get that song, Jamie.
He sent me this song, and the song was from 1969. And you hear this song and you're like, oh my god, this guy's a star.
This guy's a star.
You hear this song and you think, there's no way this guy doesn't make it.
Listen to this shit.
unidentified
I'm alive!
And that...
And I see things mighty clear today.
I'm alive!
Don't you see miniskirts and knee-high boots?
joe rogan
People are dancing.
People with flowers in their hair.
Dudes with fucked up mustaches.
jim breuer
I went more rocking.
joe rogan
Oh, this gets better too.
You gotta let this one get in you.
unidentified
I'm alive.
And I'm doing my thing and singing my song.
I don't.
Hey!
He's putting everything in that.
If my hair's a little bit long, I'm alive Come on, son.
jim breuer
You know what this reminds me of as I'm watching?
unidentified
You ever see that guy who listens to music for the first time he's never heard?
jim breuer
He's like a...
I don't know if he's Jamaican or whatever.
joe rogan
Oh.
jim breuer
He sees his facial expressions.
joe rogan
Oh, yeah, there's a bunch of those.
Yeah.
Yeah.
Online, on YouTube.
jim breuer
I love watching that stuff.
joe rogan
So this guy, man.
jim breuer
So wait a minute.
So what happened to him?
joe rogan
He's gone.
jim breuer
How many albums did he make?
joe rogan
I don't know.
The thing is, the other music wasn't as good.
That music was magic.
I feel like if he was working with the right people, that guy's a bad motherfucker.
That song's so good.
I've listened to that song a thousand times.
Every time I listen to it, it just brings me back to 1969. I just imagine that dude on stage singing that song and I see all those people dancing.
That song was fire.
It was fire.
He just nailed it.
And he just, I don't think he ever did it again.
I mean, I never heard another song that connected with me that he did.
I might be wrong.
I haven't heard all of them.
Maybe he did another one like that.
jim breuer
Well, I remember we were really into Johnny Cash growing up, and I remember after I saw the movie, then I realized he had a TV series.
joe rogan
Johnny Cash had a TV series?
jim breuer
Yes!
unidentified
What was it?
jim breuer
It was called The Johnny Cash Show, and it was on TV. Oh, I remember this now.
joe rogan
Bro, can we see what that looked like?
jim breuer
Yeah.
joe rogan
The Johnny Cash Show.
jim breuer
And like the whole story behind the man in black, and he would...
And one show...
Hold on a second.
But what...
The first thing I recognized was...
Yeah.
Yeah!
unidentified
Wow.
jim breuer
And I can't remember if it was live or...
unidentified
Was this in Nashville?
jim breuer
I don't know, to be honest with you.
joe rogan
Wow, look at this.
unidentified
I keep a close watch on this heart of mine.
jim breuer
But he'd also...
joe rogan
What a bad motherfucker he was.
jim breuer
No, dude, when he would talk to the crowd...
He'd get into some deep stuff and interact with the crowd.
And then the music, whoever he had on Musical.ly, which what I noticed was, it wasn't about their outfits.
It wasn't, well, she went so much.
The chicks that sang, no one's crawling on the floor and tweaking.
You just, it's the song.
It's the beauty of the song.
It's the spear of the song.
Like, look, this chick, is that his wife?
joe rogan
Who is that?
This is the pilot for the show?
unidentified
That's what it says.
1965. Bro, and then he...
jim breuer
This is crazy, too.
He wanted to do...
He just wanted to sing gospel his whole life, and they were like, yeah, I'm not doing that.
And that's what I picked up from the movie.
There was a scene where he goes to the producers or the record company, and they're like, yeah, no, we're not.
Come back, wait, and he came back with something.
They're like, all right, we'll play that.
That will get on.
But I'm here...
He went full-blown gospel one show and he went live and they threatened to pull him and all that.
That guy was a badass.
He was a pioneer.
But the music, it was more about the music compared to...
Whatever's going on today.
joe rogan
Well, there's some people out here that are just doing the music, too.
There's people out there, and they're very popular, too, because they're just doing music, and people are, like, flocking to that.
You know, there's a lot of that now.
Like, guys like Zach Bryan.
People, like, flock to that dude, because it's just music.
It's just music.
There's no antics.
It's just him writing amazing songs and singing them beautifully.
And there's a bunch of those people out there right now, and they're thriving, because people are connecting to it.
Do you ever hear of The Highwayman?
jim breuer
No.
joe rogan
You never heard that song?
jim breuer
It's what?
joe rogan
It's one of my favorite Johnny Cash songs.
It's Johnny Cash with Waylon Jennings.
jim breuer
Waylon Jennings was great.
joe rogan
Yeah.
Willie Nelson and Kenny Rogerson.
jim breuer
I've heard this song.
joe rogan
It's fucking beautiful.
jim breuer
Yes, I've heard this song.
joe rogan
But the Johnny Cash line, he goes, I fly a starship across the universe divide.
And when I reach the other side...
I mean, it's fucking amazing.
It's an amazing song.
They just...
They tapped into something, man.
jim breuer
They did.
joe rogan
But what my point is about the CIA creating the 1960s music...
Listen.
They might have helped those people and influenced those people and wanted degenerate people to reach the pinnacle of success so it would ruin society.
That's totally possible that they got behind that.
But also, they didn't create Hendrix.
Hendrix created Hendrix.
They might have...
him because they wanted the moral decay of society so they go in and close loopholes and put rules in place.
One of the things they did in 1970, there's a sweeping psychedelics act of 1970.
And they did that in response to the 60s movement.
And it made all psychedelic drugs illegal.
They all became schedule one.
So if you wanted to stop a society from waking up, that's what you do.
You go in and you promote the most insane behavior like the Manson family, like it was really detailed in the Chaos book by Tom O'Neill.
You promote the most egregious, offensive versions of the hippie culture.
You get them hooked on acid.
You make them commit violent crimes.
And you're doing this all so that you could eventually pass laws to limit all psychedelic use.
And all control over populations.
Stop all this hippie bullshit.
Lock those people up.
They did it with the Civil Rights Movement.
They did it with the Black Panthers.
They did it with the hippies.
They infiltrated.
They changed the drug laws.
They used it as an excuse to come in and arrest people.
pretending to be hippies that were deeply embedded in the movement, just like they did with the Proud Boys, just like they did with those guys who was kidnapping Governor Whitmer.
That's what they do.
They infiltrate, get people to do things, and it's all about control.
And through that, they've put the enlightenment of the human race on pause because they limited the use of these things that people have used forever to attain a level of enlightenment that they feel is unavailable to them without these experiences.
And we've denied them those experiences because we say we know better.
We've denied them those experiences because these are drugs and they're against the law and we wrote it down in 1970 and by golly we're sticking to it.
That's just control.
That's all that is.
That doesn't make any sense.
There's no logic behind any of that shit.
That's nonsense.
And the people that are making those laws, they've never even had those experiences, so they don't even know what the fuck they're talking about.
jim breuer
Yeah, you're 100% on it because my daughter turned me on to a documentary where the guy was It's like an LSD guy and something where alcoholics, basically people would see or have a spiritual awakening.
joe rogan
Yeah, people with addiction problems have cured, like cigarette smokers that are addicted to cigarettes, people that are addicted to heroin, a lot of different people that have been addicted to things.
Psilocybin has done that too, but Ibogaine is the big one.
Ibogaine is the one where people get hooked on opiates and they get on Ibogaine and it fucking knocks it right out of them.
jim breuer
There was a guy I ran into about a month ago, and he's down in Naples, Florida.
He's a veteran, I guess.
And he said, hey, I help veterans.
I don't know much about it.
But he mentioned, I said, what'd you say?
He's like, something psychedelic.
He goes, yeah, we do psychedelic treatment, and we're curing a lot of veterans, and I can't vouch for that.
joe rogan
No, they're definitely doing that.
jim breuer
But it fascinated me.
And he said, yeah, they'll find God or they'll face their worst, the PTSD or whatever.
And I don't know this for a fact.
I have no clue and I don't want to say yet.
unidentified
No, I do know it for a fact.
jim breuer
I can tell you.
But this dude told me.
joe rogan
It's MAPS. MAPS, the Multidisciplinary Association for Psychedelic Science or Psychedelic Medicine or whatever the S is.
jim breuer
But I was fascinated.
I mean, he was dead serious.
joe rogan
No, they do it.
They do it with a lot of different soldiers, specifically with MDMA. They use it on soldiers, and they've done a bunch of different studies and shown that it has a profound effect on them.
jim breuer
So what is the...
Is it bringing them to a euphoria, or is it bringing them to a, wow, there's so much more to meaning of life?
Where does it push them?
joe rogan
Well, I think it depends entirely on their intention going into something like that, but you're going into this to try to alleviate PTSD and try to become at peace with your existence.
And for a lot of them, that's really hard.
To tell someone to go to war and kill people and then come back and just chill.
And be normal.
That's really hard.
And no one understands that other than them.
Everybody else just takes it for granted.
They don't understand.
And the fact that they don't do anything to help these people in that way, if there's a thing that you could do, whether it was ayahuasca, whether it's Ibogaine, whether it's anything, there's a thing you can do that can help those folks and you know it's available and you won't do it for some wacky reason because some corrupt politicians wrote it down in 1970. That's insane.
We know too much now.
We know too much for to be wasting any time.
There's people that are committing suicide every day.
There's veterans that are taking their own lives that could be helped.
That's a fact.
That's real.
That's happening right now.
And the people that are keeping that experience from those people have no understanding of it.
They've never experienced it themselves.
If they did, they would never keep it from people.
jim breuer
To me, that's the crime.
joe rogan
They would never keep it from people.
If you've had a breakthrough psychedelic experience and you know what it can do to you and how it can change the way you view the world, you would not want to stop that from happening to someone else.
The only time I would ever want to stop that from happening to someone else is if someone has a psychological condition that makes them fragile.
Maybe they're schizophrenic.
Maybe they've got something else going on.
Maybe they're on medication.
They can't do any psychedelic.
There's people like that that are real.
You've got to know.
But the only way you know is if that stuff's legal.
And if they do studies and if they really understand the correct dosage and you get it done at places where they're legitimate professionals and counselors and people know what to do.
That's possible, man.
And that could literally help elevate us out of this fucking crazy mess we're in right now.
jim breuer
Yes.
joe rogan
It'd be the best way for people to wake up and realize these insane destructive patterns that we're all in.
It's nuts that that's still going on.
jim breuer
It is nuts that it's still going on.
And yet you'd be the first to send them without even thinking about something like that.
This has to stop.
joe rogan
There's a race of connectivity and control that both happen at the same time.
jim breuer
Yes, yes.
joe rogan
Where the human race is getting more connected with each other than ever before.
There's a new Samsung Galaxy phone that's coming out.
It's the Galaxy S24 Ultra.
Is that what it is?
jamie vernon
They're on that, yeah.
joe rogan
Yeah, S24 Ultra.
So what this phone can do, that no other phone has ever been able to do, is it translates things in real time.
So you'll be able to talk to someone who's speaking Spanish, and you'll have your phone out, and you'll have earbuds in, and it'll translate in real time what that person's saying.
And then it will do the same from you to them.
jim breuer
Wow!
That's pretty sick.
joe rogan
Pretty sick.
In real time, you and I, if you spoke English and I spoke Spanish, we would have a conversation in real time, and you'd be able to explain to me what you're talking about, and I would understand it immediately.
jim breuer
That's amazing.
joe rogan
That's amazing.
So this is a part of Samsung's new AI that they're unveiling.
So like Samsung has to compete with Apple, right?
Because Apple is the number one phone for like most of the people that I know.
And you get caught up in the Apple ecosystem, which is like iMessage and iPhoto and all your shit goes together and your notes all get synced up.
But the problem with that is then you have one company that you rely on for everything.
The positive thing is they control the hardware, they control the software, they control everything.
The negative side is that you don't have any choices.
You just can only buy iPhones.
But when you're out in the Android side, there's like a hundred different manufacturers and they're all competing to make the best shit.
And so there's like this constant pressure to get something that's so sexy that it makes people abandon the Apple ecosystem.
So it's a mad race for power.
And the Samsung Galaxy S24 is the new one.
Details emerge on Johnny Ive and OpenAI's plan to build the iPhone of artificial intelligence.
Oh, they're going to kill us all.
jamie vernon
There's been over like 20 Apple engineers or developers that have left and gone to join this company.
joe rogan
Oh my god, we're fucked.
But what's interesting about this Samsung phone is that might be a way to get people out of the ecosystem.
If you could be the first to implement something like that, it's a real-time translation.
jim breuer
Think of that deep connection.
joe rogan
You go to Italy.
jim breuer
Wherever.
joe rogan
Anyway.
jim breuer
Anywhere.
Go to a tribe.
joe rogan
Anywhere.
Well, I don't know.
That would be tough.
There's some undocumented languages if you go into, like, indigenous Australia.
unidentified
Ah, okay.
joe rogan
There's hundreds of languages.
jim breuer
Yeah, no, no, no, you're right.
joe rogan
My buddy Adam Greentree was explaining that to me.
Yeah.
The people that live there, they call their group mobs.
unidentified
Okay.
joe rogan
And so there's mobs, these aborigines, that are just 30 kilometers away from another mob, and they don't even know how to talk to each other.
unidentified
Wow.
joe rogan
They speak a totally different language.
jim breuer
Well, that makes sense.
joe rogan
Yeah, and there's hundreds of these different languages.
So if you go over there with a phone, you're fucked.
jim breuer
I got you.
joe rogan
Because nobody knows.
But that's just for now.
For now, nobody knows.
jim breuer
Correct.
joe rogan
But I bet AI will figure it out.
I bet they'll get a bunch of fucking those people to talk into it and they'll decode it and decipher it and figure out what it means.
jim breuer
Yeah, or they're already figured out and they're going to slowly give you...
unidentified
First, give them this one where they can talk to someone from France.
joe rogan
Yeah, you're going to get France, you're going to get German, you're going to get people speaking.
Yeah, Spanish should be number one, right?
Because behind English, that's the second language.
You're going to get the Arabic languages, you're going to get Portuguese.
It's going to be interesting, man.
But it's going to happen in real time.
That's a new thing.
Once people can talk to each other in real time, like that's one of the cool things about translate.
Like if you look at someone's tweet and you can press that translate button.
unidentified
Yes.
joe rogan
So someone who's speaking Hebrew, you translate it and you're like, oh, this is what he's saying.
jim breuer
Yes.
No, I agree.
Now if you can have conversations, deep conversations with someone you've never met and the only thing that kept you from one another is not knowing each other's language.
joe rogan
Exactly.
jim breuer
That's pretty amazing.
joe rogan
This is in the Bible.
This is the Tower of Babel.
You know, this is what the Tower of Babel story is, I think it's supposed to be, the lesson is supposed to be about human, whether it's ego or greed, but the idea is that God decided to confuse people by making them speak a bunch of different languages so they can never talk to each other.
It's because they tried to build a tower that touched the heavens.
Am I fucking that up?
What is the actual thing?
That is it?
jamie vernon
Yeah, look, there's the picture.
unidentified
Oh, there it is.
jamie vernon
Okay.
joe rogan
So, gods like you, motherfuckers, I'm gonna fuck with you and make you build a bunch of different languages, you idiots.
So, according to the story, a united human race speaking a single language and migrating eastward comes to the land of Shinar, where they agreed to build a city and a tower with its top in the sky.
Yahweh, observing their city and tower, confounds their speech so that they can no longer understand each other and scatters them around the world.
So what that might mean, the Bible, if you're thinking about it, it's a written account of the last catastrophe and the people that made it out of the last catastrophe.
So if at one point in time, before the catastrophe, there was a single language that was spoken because they had reached this ability in terms of whether it's education or some kind of technology that allowed people to communicate with each other freely, where everybody could speak.
And then when the asteroid hits, boom!
And civilization goes back in the Stone Age.
People scatter.
And then new languages develop.
People forget the old languages.
They run into people that have never even experienced it.
They travel around the world and repopulate the Earth.
And everyone forgets the universal language.
jim breuer
I could see that happening.
joe rogan
It's totally possible.
Like think about the old, like we don't even know what ancient Sumerian sounded like.
unidentified
Right.
joe rogan
They just guess.
Like if you go, you ever see how they used to write 6,000 years ago?
jim breuer
Even telecommunicating.
joe rogan
Have you ever seen it?
jim breuer
No.
joe rogan
It's called cuneiform.
It looks like old-time nails.
Like a nail going sideways and two nails going down.
You look at it and go, what the fuck is this?
jim breuer
Right.
joe rogan
This is the old, find some of that shit.
This is the oldest known human language.
That's how they used to write it.
jim breuer
Right there?
joe rogan
Yeah.
I mean, what the fuck?
jim breuer
And I bet you it's a whole story.
joe rogan
I'm sure it is.
They've deciphered some of it.
It's like very controversial, but there's a guy named Zachariah Sitchin.
jim breuer
Why is it controversial?
joe rogan
Because I'm going to tell you.
There's a guy named Zachariah Sitchin, and he wrote these books about his translations of the Sumerian texts, and he said that it's all about the Anunnaki.
This species that lives on planet Nibiru that comes into contact with Earth every like 3,600 years and they created us.
They use us to mine for gold and they merged with us and gave us their DNA into lower primates and created people.
And this guy was like a legit scholar.
That's what's nuts about this.
This whole ancient Sumerian period is a wild period in human history.
6,000 years ago.
jim breuer
See, that's the part I always have a hard time with.
People say it's 7,000 years, 10,000.
How do they figure all that out?
joe rogan
Carbon dating.
So what they do is, and it's not exact to the day in October.
jim breuer
No, no.
joe rogan
But it's in a range of a couple of hundred years, depending upon what Kind of carbon date they use, but so they get organic material.
They get organic material that's from that area.
So if they dig down, they find a pot, right?
And then in that pot, they can take organic material of that pot and then they can carbon date it.
If that organic material is 10,000 years old, they can reasonably assume that pot is probably 10,000 years old, too.
jim breuer
That always just bothered my mind.
That's what they do.
joe rogan
It's not exact, you know, it's really close.
They're pretty good at it now.
I think it's radiocarbon data.
Radiocarbon dating is the most advanced version, but they're constantly making better versions of this too.
That's how they know.
jim breuer
Interesting.
joe rogan
So these fucking people lived 6,000 years ago, dude.
And they talked about these beings that came from another planet.
From heaven to earth came.
That's the Anunnaki.
jim breuer
I'm at the point where I don't know any...
I'm really...
I don't know anything anymore.
I really don't.
If we want to say...
Ten years ago, if you brought a flat earth to me, I'd be like, you know, I can't even...
I don't even want you in my house.
I don't want you in my house.
joe rogan
And now you're like...
jim breuer
Now I'm like, oh, wow.
joe rogan
Let me hear your argument.
jim breuer
Wow, that's okay.
Wow.
You know, I never thought of it like that.
Or if you bring up almost anything now, I go, oh, wow.
You know, yeah, no, I'm...
joe rogan
You're getting good weed.
jim breuer
That's what it is.
Well, that's the scary part, is...
I don't know if that's...
If I am, that's the...
If I had great weed, I might even be...
I might figure it all out.
But what I mean is...
I literally feel...
We really don't know anything anymore.
joe rogan
Well, we know something.
unidentified
I'm at that point.
jim breuer
We certainly know something.
joe rogan
We know a lot.
But there's like an old quote that as the bonfire – what is it?
It's a Dennis McKenna quote.
He said something about as the bonfire of enlightenment grows, the surface area of ignorance is exposed.
So the bigger the fire of knowledge grows, the more air is exposed, you realize how much you don't know.
So in the beginning, people never thought about subatomic particles.
As the bonfire of knowledge grows brighter, the more the darkness is revealed to our startled eyes.
That's the quote.
It's beautiful.
Oh, it's Terence McKenna.
Quote that.
So that quote is, like, what's going on.
Like, as much as we think we know, we're still in the...
One day, people in the future will look back at us like we look back at fucking idiots making arrowheads out of rocks.
jim breuer
Right!
That's right!
At the end of the day...
joe rogan
That's what they're going to think about us.
jim breuer
And I also think about...
I don't want to...
Bible, whatever.
How do we know...
When you're in truly a biblical time, like we could be in it right now, and how do we know who the prophets are, and how do we know if there's not prophets among us, and how do we know...
joe rogan
Listen, if the Bible's real, you're always in a biblical time.
So if the Bible is a representation of the actual history of the universe, if that's what it really is, it's just told through the telephone game to like a thousand years, and then written down, but think about in the beginning there was light.
Isn't that the Big Bang?
jim breuer
Dude, I don't...
joe rogan
I mean, if you think about just parts of the idea of God creating the Earth and God creating the universe and doing it quickly, the fucking Big Bang was pretty goddamn quick.
I mean, it wasn't six days, but it's pretty fucking crazy that something just existed.
Now, if you were a person that had been told that, and then you tell other people that for a thousand years, and then someone writes it down, maybe that's what you get.
Maybe you get God created, you know, the heavens and the earth in six days.
Maybe that is their version of the origin of the universe as it was told to people that understood it 10,000 years ago, 12,000 years ago, whatever it was.
jim breuer
Right.
joe rogan
And then when we got wiped out and we had to refigure things out again, you just get these stories, these whispers of the past.
jim breuer
I feel...
joe rogan
Of what happened.
jim breuer
We should always be writing the new future rather than depending on...
joe rogan
Yeah.
Depending on the past.
jim breuer
Depending on the past...
Start writing the now for the better and create anew.
Create the new story.
joe rogan
I think we are doing that.
jim breuer
I do too.
joe rogan
I just think it's a long, arduous process and it's not linear.
It's not like you always win and the bad people always lose.
jim breuer
We're not going to get it right away.
Correct.
joe rogan
There's a struggle going on right now with human nature and human beings.
It's all happening all over the world.
jim breuer
Someone made a good...
I heard the old example, like, you're a rat in a cage, and all you know is, like, you drink from that water bottle, and you're fed every day at this time.
joe rogan
Smashing pumpkins, bro.
unidentified
Yes.
jim breuer
There you go.
Right!
Whenever I have conversations, whether it's from my wife or whatever, and we get into this, I always just go, despite all my rage...
joe rogan
Give me some of that to close this out with.
unidentified
Still just a rat in the...
jim breuer
You figured it all out.
joe rogan
That is the teenage angst song.
jim breuer
But we can talk about everything and anything over and over and over.
At the end of the day, despite all my rage, still just a rat.
The way he says rat, rat in the cave.
unidentified
So amazing.
joe rogan
Yeah.
jim breuer
And you take the cage off, a lot of them still don't leave that perimeter.
joe rogan
People don't know what to do, Jim Brewer.
jim breuer
Dude, it's a great song.
What a great red.
Thanks for having me.
joe rogan
My pleasure, my brother.
It's always good to see you.
jim breuer
Thanks for the invite.
joe rogan
We've been friends for a long time.
We've been friends for a long time.
jim breuer
Yeah, man.
You're a good human being.
unidentified
I love you to death.
joe rogan
I love you, bro.
I love you to life.
I love that we've always been close all these years.
jim breuer
Me too.
joe rogan
We've been friends for...
How many...
unidentified
Dude, it's 32 years now.
joe rogan
Like 1990. At least...
Might be 34 years.
jim breuer
At least 34. I want to say it was 91-ish.
joe rogan
Yeah, somewhere around then.
jim breuer
91, maybe.
unidentified
No!
No, I suppose I'll show all my cool and cold like a child.
Despite all my rage, I'm still just a rat in a cage.
joe rogan
Good night, everybody.
We love you to death.
We're going to work this out, folks.
jim breuer
We are.
joe rogan
We're going to work this out.
jim breuer
It's going to end well.
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