Taylor Sheridan and Joe Rogan debate frontier storytelling, critiquing modern film criticism for imposing today’s ethics on 19th-century settlers’ brutal survival—like Comanche clashes and buffalo near-extinction—while dismissing vegetarianism as unrealistic. They link nuclear fallout (e.g., Yucca Flat’s 91 cancer cases) to Soviet-era state-controlled athletes vs. capitalism’s dominance, then slam U.S. political term limits and Social Security inefficiency. Climate alarmism and COVID politicization expose infrastructure gaps and media distrust, with Sheridan and Rogan warning of ideological manipulation—like Paul Harvey’s 1965 prophecy or UFO theories—undermining truth, from biblical narratives to the fentanyl crisis’s $3.3T black market. [Automatically generated summary]
So I started as an actor first because I thought that's what it was.
And then I realized I'm not doing that.
I'm not creating a story.
And then finally, you know, I got the CONUS to quit.
And write my own.
But yeah, 1883 was me.
Yellowstone's the punk rock me.
There's a fair amount of...
It has no plot, really.
You know, don't take my land.
I want your land.
And in that, I have a lot of opportunities to poke fun, but also kind of point out different points of views and kind of really study a way of life and a world.
But there's a lot of defiance in the way that I do it.
It's not surprising that critics hate it because It's designed for them to hate.
And I just don't understand why they're still employed.
I mean, what is the purpose that they serve other than speaking to other completely disconnected, supposedly highbrow people that live in congested urban areas?
Yeah, and I think also that critics, and I don't know why, But they seem to feel a need to judge any project by how is it looking at the lens through today's new question morality.
What should we be making movies about?
And you can make a shitty movie about something that they support and they're going to support that movie.
But that's not my job.
My job as a storyteller is to pick a world and look through the window and not judge it and go, hey, here's what it was.
And here's the decision some people made.
And, you know, for me...
You know, the Holy Grail as a storyteller is entertain, Educate and enlighten.
Don't give anybody answers.
Just lots of questions to think about.
That's my job.
Because I can't stand to pay money and have somebody preach to me their ideas.
That's the fastest way to get me out of it.
That's the reason I hated Forrest Gump.
And I don't mean to say that.
I'm going to catch a lot of shit.
But this doddering fucking idiot is the only guy that can figure out the world.
Everybody else around him.
He's just going to go on a fucking run across America and everyone's going to follow him and that's going to heal the country.
Well, my favorite movie that you can ever make today is Tropic Thunder.
It's a fucking great movie!
I'm so glad they haven't banned it.
They've done so many books.
And Tom Hanks, if you go and watch his portrayal of Forrest Gump, it's nothing compared to the way they do that simple Jack character in Tropic Thunder.
And when he says he never go full retard, like, you can't even say that word anymore.
No, but if you look at that movie, which was designed to offend, but also ridicule us taking ourselves too seriously, that's one of our jobs.
You know, it's, hey, we're all taking ourselves way too seriously, and if we can make light of this and make jokes about this, then all of a sudden it won't feel so serious, and we can be reflective.
Yeah, we say, in the comedy world, we say we're the last line of defense.
Because this is where the woke meets the wall.
The woke meets the wall with stand-up comedy.
You can't have woke comedy.
It sucks.
It's impossible.
You can't always punch up and cater to everybody.
No.
That's not what's funny.
What's funny is the fucking weird things that people do and all of our hypocrisies and all of our contradictions and all the chaos about being a human being.
And if you want to never make fun of marginalized groups or never make fun of protected classes or never make fun of anybody that's downtrodden or disassociated or disaffa- you can't do that.
That's not stand-up comedy.
Stand-up comedy has to be everything.
It has to be everything that's funny.
Regardless of whether or not it's socially acceptable to make fun of those things.
And I think that we need to It's healing to laugh, right?
It's healing to, and by the way, if we're gonna talk about race relations, who are some of the people that help push that, who help people understand how you felt on, you know, how in the world when I'm 14 years old am I supposed to know how it feels to be African American in LA? How am I gonna know that growing up in a small town in Texas?
But then you see a comic who's from South Central LA make jokes about me, make jokes about living there, and you get some understanding of it.
Somebody said something once, and I've repeated it many times, but it's a great thing to say.
The worst thing that's ever happened to you is the worst thing that's ever happened to you.
Even if the worst thing that's ever happened to you, you've got a flat tire.
Oh my god!
If you had a bunch of shit happen and you get a flat tire, like, I guess I gotta change my tire.
It's no big deal.
But if you're living this fucking sheltered life and the worst thing that's ever happened is you're a dude in a dress and someone misgenders you, you know, like, oh my god, this is violence.
Like, no, this is not violence.
You're a fucking guy in a dress and it's confusing, man.
It's fucking confusing.
If you want me to call you a girl, I'll call you a girl.
He said, this is a really great time for comedy because comedy is dangerous again.
Because comedy didn't used to be dangerous for a long time.
There's a lot of shock comics that were kind of...
They were saying things just to be shocking, you know?
And I certainly did that early in my career.
And now, like, if you have a position to defend, if you're going to go out on a limb, you're going to make fun of something that's dangerous, you've got to have that shit tight.
It's got to be good.
It's got to be...
Rory is a huge laughs it has to be it has to be something where people go oh shit I can't like Dave Chappelle is the best example that when he goes after something whatever it is it's just so goddamn funny that even though it's supposed to be something you're not supposed to talk about it's so good that everybody has to back off except the critics of course but what makes Chappelle so So good and so funny is he's going to say things that, from a point of view, is true.
I got off stage, and I went into the green room, and I go, what's up?
What are you doing, man?
He goes, oh, hey, Joe.
And I go, what are you doing here, man?
He goes, I knew he was in town.
I thought I'd stop by.
I go, you want to go up?
He goes, should I? I go, fuck yeah!
So I literally went out and stopped the audience.
Everyone's leaving.
The show was over.
They were like paying their tab going home and I go yell at everybody on the stairs tell them to come back Dave Chappelle's here and the whole audience came back in And that's how he works things out.
So he just goes around and just fucks around and then slowly Hammers these bits out until he gets them to this like bulletproof form and then he puts them out on a special Wow.
Yeah.
It's fun.
It's a fun time for stand-up comedy, but it's literally the only thing that you can do without a committee.
Because if you're gonna do a movie, you're gonna have to have actors, you're gonna have to have writers, you're gonna have to have executives, studio heads, all this shit.
There's a lot of people that have their say in what's happening, or at least have a conversation about it.
There's no conversation.
With stand-up, it's literally just you.
It's one person, how do I make fun of this?
What's my angle on this?
And then you work it out, you put it together, and then you present it in front of people.
But that's, you know, when I came out here, you know, and there wasn't really a comedy club and all these other comedians were moving out here because this is the only place we could do stand-up.
It was like the universe opened up door after door at every step and then all of a sudden we're here.
And there was like 15 of us, and we're working in these like little rock and roll clubs and EDM clubs, and we're doing sold out shows, and the rest of the country is completely shut down.
You can't even do stand-up indoors.
And they all heard about Austin, that we were all out here, and then Ron White's like, you gotta open up a club.
And so I was like, okay, let's open up a fucking club.
And then we bought this building, and we actually had a building that we bought before that was owned by a cult.
Yeah, there's a documentary on the cult called Holy Hell.
You should watch it.
It's pretty crazy.
This guy came from West Hollywood and right after Waco, when the Cult Awareness Network started cracking down all these cults after Waco burned down and the feds killed everybody, they moved out to Austin.
The cult leader changed his name, got a new name, moved to Austin, and built a theater so he could dance in front of his followers.
The guy out here, his name was Jaime Gomez, and he was a gay porn star and a hypnotist.
That was the guy who started—so how do you think that worked out?
So one guy in like 2000 or the early 2000s sent out—he left the cult and sent out a mass email that was like, hey, this guy's been hypnotizing me and fucking me for the last 10 years.
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And then everybody was like, I thought it was just me.
You know, they used to come in from, they would come into, and of course what our government was doing was we needed people for a multitude of reasons after the Civil War.
So many of the workforce had been killed, you know, one point something million soldiers died that we know of.
We don't know how many other civilians.
So we needed people.
We needed people to settle the West because Manifest Destiny basically said, hey, there's all this land we bought from whoever we bought it from.
France, I guess, the Louisiana Purchase.
And we can't settle it because every time we try, the Lakota or the Comanche kick the shit out of us.
So we should send a bunch of Central Europeans and Eastern Europeans over there and let them get in the middle of it.
And so in all of these...
And you can look up, if you were to put it into the computer, you can pull up all of these...
Pamphlets they would put out and ads they would put out in newspapers in Romania and Norway, obviously Ireland did it everywhere.
What seems so insane, what really struck me, I mean, I did a lot of thinking about that show last night.
I did my binge, I ended the binge at like 2 o'clock in the morning.
And, you know, at nighttime, I do some of my most fucked up thinking because everyone is asleep in my house.
It's just me.
And I generally do most of my writing when everyone's asleep.
And I was just thinking, that's 140 years ago.
That's nothing.
I'm 56 years old.
When I was in high school, it was in 1983. So that was 100 years ago.
I was a sophomore in high school.
So 100 years is nothing.
A hundred years before that, you make your way across the country on a fucking wagon and you get free land.
A hundred years.
That's so short a period of time.
It's so hard for us to really appreciate how recent that is and how fucking insane the change in this country Over such a short period of time has been.
I just read something in the last day or two that, and I'm going to get it wrong, but 1937 is closer to 1984 than 2023 is to 84, or something like that.
You know, part of Oregon wants to secede and join Idaho.
There's a section up there around Humboldt County and up in that area in California, they want the same thing.
And it's understandable because you have people who, you know, you take the eastern half of Oregon, virtually all of them are in some form of agriculture.
Yeah, that's best case scenario if you can pull that off.
But most people are just so disconnected from it and so connected to the urban world where no one's growing anything.
Everything has to be brought in by trucks.
I was reading this story.
It's a book called Dissolving Illusions and it's all about the introduction of vaccines and it's about the pandemic diseases of the early 20th century.
And they were talking about just the horrific conditions that people lived in these urban cities before cars.
Because there was no buses.
So how are you getting food?
How are you getting vegetables?
How are you getting all these things into these cities?
These people lived with terrible nutrition, basically starved to death, living in places where there's outhouses that were shared by thousands of people.
Everyone's stuffed in these tenement buildings.
They're all breathing congested air.
Everyone's getting diseases.
There's no drugs to treat them, no antibiotics to treat them, and everyone's fucked.
Yeah, they said that 90% of the people killed in North America were killed by diseases.
90% of the Native Americans.
Yeah, and that story hasn't been told properly, you know, and that's what I really appreciated about 1883. It's like, you talked about, I mean, this was like the end of the Native American Empire, essentially.
This was when there was still a little bit of buffalo left, they're still, you know, they're moving Indians to reservations, then the Indians that were out, they were resisting it, you know, and it's just, and then these people were trying to make their way In this fucking wagon train across the country.
What percentage of those people died that were trying to do that?
Anywhere along the Oregon Trail, you can drive along or, you know, there's markers just everywhere.
Everywhere.
And especially the further up you get into Wyoming and the further you start getting through, like, the Lander Cutoff and South Pass, then they're just...
And that's the ones that, you know, that got a marker.
You know, the handcart, the Mormon Church brought a lot of people out and they didn't have a lot of money, enough money to give them full wagons, even though that's what they promised.
So they made these handcarts that people would pull from wherever they took off from somewhere in Ohio to try and get to Utah.
And so these people pulled them by hand.
They'd put their wife and their gear, their kids or whatever, and then they'd pull them.
These two-wheeled carts, like chariots without a horse.
And, you know, one winter, they left too late and got caught in the winter.
And the whole trick was, if you didn't make it to this certain spot in Wyoming by July 4th, you were not going to make it.
You were going to get caught in the past and you're going to die.
And something like 25,000 people died in one year.
The notion of getting free land that you could go farm with, by the way, nothing.
You're going to go somewhere with nothing.
There's no stores.
You're going to have to make everything.
You have to figure it all out on your own.
Who would choose that?
Not a successful blacksmith, not somebody that's got a nice comfortable home in Maryland or wherever.
And why?
Why would you do that?
You have to have no other option.
Right.
All the people that came over from from whatever European nation they came from, they didn't come for an adventure.
Right.
They came because they were fucking starving.
My family came over from Ireland because of the potato famine.
They didn't they didn't want to.
They had to.
They were dying.
So they had to come.
So that's why everyone came.
Desperation.
Desperation is what settled the West.
Fueled by a manifest destiny, which was a cruel, very cruel, you know, insidious idea that a bunch of politicians had that says, hey, we can either send the army out there and just go to war.
And we've been doing that and we've been getting the shit handed to us because the Lakota were, until the repeating rifle came around, the Lakota and the Comanche, the Arapaho, even the South.
I mean, we did not have their skill level on a horse.
Their arrows were actually more effective than our single-shot muskets.
Like, they were a superior army and stayed that way.
It wasn't until we started sacking villages when the Braves were gone, when their soldiers were gone, when that dirty shit started, then it started turning the tide, and then when we killed the food source, that was the end of it.
No, I think the most exotic thing I ever ate, and it wasn't, it was kind of a similar, I'm eating what they're serving situation on this ranch outside of Stanford, Texas, and we barbecued up a bunch of armadillo.
Yeah, they shoot an incredible amount of these pigs and then feed them to people.
And it is good, man.
There's a guy out here named Jesse Griffiths who owns a great restaurant called Dai Due in Austin and he runs a school where he teaches people how to hunt, He teaches them first how to shoot rifles, then how to hunt, then they hunt hogs, teaches them how to butcher them and cook them.
And he's an amazing chef.
And this guy, I mean, if you think that wild hogs taste like shit, talk to this guy.
Look, I think one of the most absurd positions anyone can take is they're a vegan for an ethical reason.
It's preposterous.
You could do it for a medical reason, even though I don't know what that reason would be, but maybe you can't process meat, you can't process proteins like that.
But to do it from an ethical reason is absurd.
And the reason I say that is I have plowed a field.
It is carnage.
It is 12 feet of carnage.
And every single plant that you eat is going to be tilled into the ground in some capacity.
If you're thinking about individual life, if you don't think that one life equals one life, if you think that small things aren't as valuable as large things, that's a totally different discussion.
And that's a weird discussion.
But if you think that all life is sacred, well, what about the lives of The ground nesting birds, fawns, what are the lives of rodents, insects, all those things are getting demolished.
The average organic avocado farm in Central California is going to kill, on average, around 19,000 ground squirrels a year.
That's not counting the billions of bees, because they're going to bring the bees up from Brazil to pollinate the trees, and then they're going to fucking die.
They're not sending them back anywhere.
They're not keeping them.
No, they're gone.
They're going to spray with some organic, which is probably just like compressed cayenne pepper.
They're going to spray the trees.
They're going to kill every bug, every plant, everything.
All you got to do is drive I-5 through the San Joaquin Valley.
Well, if you look anywhere in the ecosystem, take man out of it.
Virtually everything is living at the expense of another organism to the degree that if a certain weed grows up over the grass, it's killing the grass.
If the tree grows up, this little sapling grows up over the grass, it's killing the grass.
If the grass grows up before the weeds, it kills the weeds.
It kills the flowers, it kills this.
Everything is in competition with everything else.
There is not a vegan fish.
There's not a vegetarian fish.
Every single fish, every frog, they're eating another organism to survive.
Every one of them.
And that's what we did for as long as...
Whenever we split from apes...
That's what we did.
Apes still do it.
They talk about, oh, they eat fruit.
They eat fruit until they get ahold of those little frickin' panzer monkeys.
You see his little face and just looks so much like us.
To watch him just get eaten alive by a chimp who also looks a lot like us is just so fucked.
Yeah.
That's the real nature.
That's not vegan nature.
That's not this bullshit, utopian, artificial paradise that people have created in their mind that they're doing if they're eating vegan.
It's just not true.
Unless you're growing all of your own food in your yard, unless you have a contained environment, Where you're composting and using mulch and you're making sure that everything that you grow, you're picking it yourself, you're just fencing it off to keep squirrels from eating it.
If that's not the case, you're involved in murder.
Well, you're either going to give away a lot of your crop, which you're not going to want to do, or you're going to come up with a way to, or you're going to run the squirrel off.
Okay, well then you just killed it because you ran it out of its habitat.
So, this guy, it takes place in the wilds of Wyoming.
And there's a young woman who's an FBI investigator.
She comes and she's investigating the death of a Native American woman.
Culminates in a big gunfight.
And she gets wounded, but she doesn't die.
He visits her in the hospital, Jeremy Brenner's character, who's from this area.
And he says, you know, luck doesn't live in the wilderness.
It lives in the city.
You know, whether or not your car is the one that gets carjacked, whether, you know, someone's on their cell phone when you're walking through the crosswalk, that's luck.
But out here, you survive or you surrender.
You know, wolves don't kill unlucky deer, they kill the weak ones.
When you can walk from your condo to Erewhon and buy your $19 almond butter and never ask yourself, I can tell you, I can tell you exactly right now how much water it takes in a state with no water to make one almond.
But there's also emerging technologies about converting nuclear waste into batteries.
There was something about that, that there was some sort of technique that they were developing that was going to be able to take all that stuff and convert it into batteries.
But we have a reasonable fear of radiation, obviously, because it's, you know, we know, like, Chernobyl's fucked.
It's gonna be fucked forever.
Fukushima's fucked.
It's fucked forever.
It's fucked for, as long as there's ever been people alive, it'll be fucked three, four, five times that.
In the future, it'll be fucked.
And then we also know that, you know, they haven't been real forthcoming with some of the dangers of it, like the depleted uranium rounds they used during the Iraq War.
And all these soldiers came back, and they had Gulf War Syndrome.
And their babies were born all fucked up, and no one wanted to take responsibility for it.
But there's been some documentaries done on it, and I think the consensus is that a lot of those cases were probably due to the depleted uranium rounds they used, because apparently those fucking things are just lethal.
But the problem is then these fucking soldiers would go to the battlefield where all this stuff had gone down and they're breathing in and they're absorbing all this fucking radiation and they weren't warned.
Yeah, I think it's, I don't want to speak out of turn, but I think it's titanium or something like that, like something very durable.
I know they're using titanium for other body parts.
They're using it for articulating neck discs.
So when people get bulging discs that turn to herniating discs and then they get degradation where it's pinching on the nerves, they have two options oftentimes.
They'll either fuse you, which could be fucking horrible, or now they'll give you an alternative, which is an articulating disc.
And guys have had those, like Al Jermaine Sterling had one of those done and then went on to defend the Bantamweight title in the UFC. Really?
And defended it more than anybody and just fucking dominated people.
Yeah, until he lost to Sean O'Malley, he was like, I think he defended the Bantamweight title more than anybody.
And he won the title.
Really?
And then after he won the title, he got kneed in the head during the title fight.
It was kind of a bad deal.
Like, he won the title by disqualification.
So a lot of people hated him, and they discredited him.
Then he got this operation, had this disc replaced to his neck, and then they had the rematch, and he fucking dominated the dude.
Right, but you gotta think, this is like, it was difficult to track down this kind of information back then, and then to put it out on People magazine.
And we're like, oh bitch, we're gonna have to do some more tests now.
You guys think you got a nuclear bomb, motherfucker?
We got 500,000 of them.
16, 17. Now, by this time, in 1951, the United States has 24, and Russia has 3. This is 1952. I mean, here, now the United States has 39. Now, look at this.
We go up to 45, like, quick.
And then Russia goes to 8. They're trying to keep up.
I did read, at one point, I was reading a lot about all the cancer problems they were having, just like in Chernobyl, that they were having in Hiroshima and Nagasaki and those areas.
And I don't know if they're still having those issues three generations later.
No, sir, by your grace, by the strength and intelligence of the great people of the Soviet Union and all the peoples which are fighting for their independence.
You will not be able to smother the voice of the peoples, the voice of truth which rings aloud and will go on ringing.
And it's also, and they would obviously kidnap, and one of the reasons that they did that was, you know, these are all familial tribes, and it's survival, so we need a new bloodline to get in there.
But if they don't, they just get enough experience where they can go professional.
But in Cuba, they never go professional.
So you get guys that are 15, 16 years into a boxing career that's essentially always been professional, always been with the most elite coaches, the most elite sports, drugs, like whatever the fuck they have, whatever therapies they have.
They're not natural.
Like, you're gonna take whatever the fuck we give you.
So what you're essentially dealing with is like a Mike Tyson type dude who's at like that level of like world championship caliber boxing, but you're having to fight amateurs.
So everybody else is just trying to get together a career so they can go off into the professionals.
This guy can never be professional.
So he is a professional.
So he's the best in the fucking world, but he's just not getting paid to fight Muhammad Ali on television.
Ali might have beat him, Frazier might have beat him, Foreman might have...
Some of those guys might have beat him, but we never got to see it.
But what we did see is that caliber of boxing come out of Cuba.
Some of the scariest guys that have ever fought in the UFC have come out of Cuba.
Yoel Romero, the freakiest of freak athletes of all time, came out of Cuba.
If I was running shit, the UFC has USADA, and then they got rid of USADA, and now they have Drugs Free Sport, which is going to do a similar program, but just do it more logically in their perspective.
USADA would sometimes wake fighters up at 4 o'clock in the morning or 6 o'clock in the morning the day of the weigh-ins, which is terrible.
Terrible.
Because they're cutting weight, and they're just- Right, they're exhausted, they're dehydrated.
And now you're going to test them.
On the day of a weigh-in, that's so stupid.
Like, you don't have to do that.
You can catch them.
If they're doing something, you're gonna catch them.
And if they're not doing something, let them go through this fucking insane process without disturbing them.
The weight cut is an insane process, and people who have never seen it before don't know how nutty it is, but I think they should be able to do some stuff.
I think they should be able to do some stuff.
I really do.
I think it's science.
I think it helps you heal better.
I think there should be, like, rational limits of what you can and can't do.
You know, I don't think you should be able to do full-on, like, trend and steroids and wild shit.
Well, that was one thing that UFC's drug program did a fantastic job of.
If you went to the USADA website, there was a full list of all of the things that if you bought, you would piss hot.
So it's like whenever they find like a contaminated, because like one of the things we found out when we started Onnit, when we started this supplement company with my friend Aubrey and myself, when we started making this vitamin called Alpha Brain, we had a certain amount of ingredients that were in there.
And so then we would get it third-party tested.
And so then we get it third-party tested and third-party tests are like, you guys have this in there too.
Like what is that?
Why is that in there?
Well, it turns out, when you're getting your stuff mixed, they're not really cleaning those barrels out real good.
So if you're buying, like, fucking Super Pump from the vitamin shop, whatever it is, you know, that has, like, something that's supposed to boost your testosterone, and they're making it in the same place where they're making real roids.
They did find out that a lot of them had Viagra in it, and it's one of the reasons why they kept getting pulled.
But they would get pulled, and they'd come back with a new name.
So they were all done with foreign companies and sneaky companies, so it would be like Black Rhino would be one, and then White Rhino would be the new one.
You guys got rhinos?
We got the white rhinos.
Okay, give me one of them.
And people were essentially going to gas stations and buying these wild, unknown amphetamines, spliced in with Viagra, spliced in with steroids.
We're in a weird time in this country where people are so divided that they don't even want to look at the actual truth of things.
If they have like an ideological position on things, they just want to only hold on to that and never open their mind up to other people's perspectives.
And it's also at a time where more people have access to information than ever before.
I might add, Mr. Truett, I might add that it was Seneca or it was Cicero, I don't know which, that said, if it was not for the elders correcting the mistakes of the young, there would be no state.
Mr. President, I'd like to head for the fence and try to catch that one before it goes over, but I'll go on to another question.
So, it was a time when you really feel like, and forget political leanings, both of those guys, it seemed, you know, they had different ideas about the way to get to the same place.
And I think we're in a very unique place right now where no one's even talking about where we're trying to go.
This is really about thought and beliefs.
No one's talking policies.
I haven't heard anyone talk about various policies in four years.
What we're talking about is...
Which, by the way, when you're talking about what you can believe and what's this and we're going to argue about arbitrary things that aren't arguable, really, and we keep our focus on that and everyone's so...
Impassioned about their position on some social issue that we have no solution to, then you don't focus on a $34 trillion debt.
You don't focus on the fact that we're so reduced in our position on the world stage.
There was a time when our military and our political resolve was so...
Aligned that nobody wanted to fuck with us.
And we could sit there and say, hey guys, we're not going to have a war in Ukraine.
We're just not going to do it.
And they go, okay.
You know, if you think about 9-11...
And George W. Bush was not a very popular president at that moment in time.
And people have forgotten that Al Gore and the Democratic Party...
And I didn't vote for George W. Bush...
They questioned.
They contested that election then.
They said it was rigged.
They said it was this.
They took it to the Supreme Court.
We didn't have a president, really, for almost two months.
That actually, if you look at statistics, bandits killed more of these immigrants moving north and people on the Oregon Trail than the Native Americans did.
And I think that's something that people need to be thinking about now.
I always think, what am I leaving my son?
What's the world like in 30 years for him?
And decisions made now, we sit here and break rules that are clearly established in a constitution which has existed for a couple hundred years and held this place together.
When we start manipulating that document to maintain relevance for a very short-term goal for a politician or for one specific cause, whatever that cause is, when we start manipulating that and abandoning the rule of law, when we start doing that 30 years from now, That benchmark is what's going to be used against all the people that pushed it right now.
And right now, maybe the Democrats feel as though they're justified in that action because they're so terrified of what Donald Trump may do if he becomes president again.
But are they thinking about what's going to happen in 20 years or 30 years?
Because this has now been established.
And at some point...
The Republicans will gain control.
They will get a majority in the Senate again.
Look through history.
It just swings back and forth.
For eight years, it's this, and eight years, it's that.
So another party will be in control, and that party can use all of these manipulations of rules to maintain control.
And that's when you start to have a dictatorship at the end of the day.
Regardless of who's left, right, doesn't make a difference.
But either one of them have almost no chance against Biden anyway, right?
So why are they limiting people's choice?
You should never limit people's ability to choose.
I mean, maybe those people can get on a debate stage and rock the world and all of a sudden there's a big movement behind them, but that's supposed to be what it's about, kids.
That's supposed to be what the whole thing is about.
If someone Who comes along in the more compelling candidate?
You're supposed to get them.
The party's not supposed to be able to decide who the guy is against the will of the people, because that's a lot like communism, kids!
The problem is those politicians, it doesn't matter if you're a congresswoman from Indiana or California or Texas.
Yes, you were elected by a certain district and you're representing that district, but you're also representing every other citizen of the United States.
You're a U.S. congressperson, okay?
And you swore an oath to uphold the Constitution above and beyond everything else.
And they're manipulating the document.
For very short-term game.
And I'm not blaming.
They're all doing it.
And people need to wake up to that because they're going to manipulate it in a way that is going to...
Look, there's plenty of countries in this world that have elections.
Now, we're not a democracy.
We're a republic.
But they have their free elections, and they got one candidate.
Yeah, there's a difference somewhere at 70. Yeah, you should have to take Some type of aptitude test and a physical fitness test and then maybe every two years after Yes, for sure.
Yeah, you got so much play, you can't make any fast maneuvers.
They don't handle it all.
Yeah, for running the fucking most important army the world has ever known, yeah, you probably should have aptitude tests if you're going to be the president.
There should be some way we can tell.
If there's like a foolproof way, we can tell you're not falling apart.
But do you really think Joe Biden would pass that test?
He wouldn't have passed that test before he became president, and he's aging rapidly while he's president.
There's no comparing the two, but just how ragged you can get run if you're going to go do a comedy show here and then there and then there and you're just living out of a suitcase and then you've got to say this, you've got to be on.
I mean, it takes a toll.
When I go direct, I mean, if I go on a six-month, which I'm about to, a six-month, seven-month run of directing every single day where I have to make decisions from 6 a.m.
until 9 o'clock at night and then I've got to watch footage until midnight, I get three, four hours of sleep at night for six months, I'm a fucking wreck.
And the heavy moments, I don't want to give anything away, but some of the heavy moments between the two of them, you're like, oh my god, imagine dealing with that.
I think it's a really important thing for people to be aware of that that's a pretty, it's obviously fiction, but it's a pretty accurate representation of how it went down.
You know, when you look back at all the civilizations that have existed, that have risen and fallen, and the idea that that's happening to America now, like, this is, what's happened on this continent over the last 400 years is one of the most insane stories.
In all of history.
In all of history.
I mean, there's some insane stories.
Insane, you know, empires that ruled the world for long periods of time.
You know, the Portuguese and the British and the Mongols, of course, and the Vikings.
But what the fuck happened here is so crazy that there was a country full of nomadic Native American tribes that were warring with each other all the time and living off the land and living in harmony with the land.
And then all of a sudden, boats start showing up.
And then within 50, 60, 100 years, 200 years, it's just flooded with Europeans.
Like a mass invasion of a place that people have been living on it for 20,000 plus years.
They found some, you know, the Clovis Point that they found in New Mexico, which dated back to like 12,000 B.C. And I could go on a sidebar with these archaeologists.
When they find something that's the oldest, they will defend it to the death.
Well, that's what they're realizing now with human civilizations, that it's very likely that there was a mass disruption of human civilization from asteroid impacts or something like that, and we had to rebuild.
And that's what the pyramids are, and that's what a lot of the structures they find, even in North America.
And, you know, catastrophes do happen.
And I know we don't want to believe it.
It's just like the vegans don't want to believe they're causing any deaths when they buy their kale.
It's kind of the same thing.
We don't want to believe that this could ever fall apart and we could be right back to square one, right back to living like nomadic tribal people.
Well, you know what, you know, Einstein's famous saying when they asked him what would be the weapon of destruction in World War III, and he says, I have no idea, but I know what it is in World War IV. And they said, what is it?
I think there's a certain amount of genetic memory in people.
And I think even if something horrible happened and we had to start right now from scratch and rebuild civilization, I still think we would be better off than people who tried to do that 5,000 years ago or even 10,000 years ago.
I think the collective human consciousness is something other than just what you know and what you've read.
I think there's some shit that's in you in genetics.
I think people are better at stuff now than they've ever been before.
But clearly, If that's the case, clearly, whoever built the pyramids, they must have been around way longer.
They must have been able to have a civilization that thrived way longer than ours.
Yeah, it's almost perfectly true north, south, east, and west.
It's amazing.
And whoever did that probably was along the same lines that we're on.
They just had way more time to do it.
They had thousands and thousands and thousands of years.
We've only had a few hundred.
A few hundred of craziness, a few hundred of the Industrial Revolution, combustion engines, utilization of fossil fuel, all this shit that we're doing now.
So if they had some more time than we did, that's what explains that shit to me.
And I think that if we go, and then there's a few barbarian people left, a few thousand all over the planet, and they eventually redo civilization, they'll probably do a slightly better job.
I think each group does a slightly better job, but it probably takes forever.
It'll probably take another four or five thousand years for civilization to really emerge again.
If Homo Erecus was still around too, you got the Denivarians, you got Neanderthal, you've got your Homo Sapien, and then there was another off some Indonesian island.
They think there's still some of those alive somewhere.
There's a thing in some parts of the country, they call them the Orang Pendek.
And in jungles, people have reported seeing these little tiny people, little tiny hairy people, like, you know, 30 years ago, 50 years ago, 100 years ago.
And so there's this myth of this Orang Pendek.
And they never took it seriously until they found these little people on the island of Flores.
And, like, some of these jungles are just so insanely dense, like in Vietnam and places like that.
Like, who knows?
There might be a small population of these things still alive today.
They're already shooting arrows in your direction.
Now they have metal, too, because they took one of the boats that got stranded there.
They had to rescue these people that were stuck on this boat because the North Sentinel people were coming for them in the boat, and they literally had to rescue them in time.
But they got onto the boat, and then the next time they saw them, they noticed that they had metal weapons.
So yeah, so they think they've salvaged pieces of the boat and turned it into knives and sharpened them and stuff like that.
Yeah.
It's crazy because there's only 39 of them.
And they're the direct descendants of people who left Africa 60,000 years ago.
And because there's such a small number of them on this island the size of Manhattan, they just never passed like how humans were 100,000 years ago or whatever it was, 60,000 years ago.
They're exactly that.
They live exactly the way people lived back then, which is really wild to see.
You know, uncontacted tribes, man, that's one of the weirdest windows into the variability.
That you can have people that are driving around in electric cars, talking on cell phones, and at the same time, some guy is sneaking up on a monkey in the jungle with a bow and arrow, with a poison tip on it.
And they're both happening at the same time, you know?
That's kind of the wildest part of the story of the people coming to America, is that the Native American people lived in this...
Like, one of the things that's really...
The way was so appealing, that one of the things that's so interesting about the reports from back then was that people that had left modern, air quote, Western civilization and moved in with Indians and started living in Indian cultures, they never wanted to go back.
But whenever they took people from, like, when it was Cynthia Ann Parker, when they kidnapped her when she was nine, and then they rescued her when she was a woman, she wanted to go back.
Well, Kwana, who was extremely smart as the last chief of the Comanche Nation, and then when he finally went to the reservation in Oklahoma and they said, okay, here you are, he was smart enough and astute enough to make a business of it.
And, you know, there was a few ranchers, Sam Burr Burnett, who founded the Four Sixes, and W.T. Wagner, and Charles Goodnight, who needed somewhere to graze their cattle because that part of West Texas was having a terrible drought.
Oklahoma had a lot of good grass.
They went up and talked to Quanah and said, hey, could we graze our cattle here?
We'll pay you.
He's like, you'll pay us?
Yeah, we'll pay you.
Alright.
Yeah, I'll do that.
And so it became a great partnership that they had.
And did that for years.
Really until Congress got wind of it.
And they were like, we don't need those Indian people making money.
We should outlaw that.
Which they tried to do.
And then Burt Burnett, they reached out to Teddy Roosevelt and had him come out.
And he hunted wolves on the Comanche Reservation and then down at the Four Sixes as well.
And they convinced him that he got a two-year stay before they finally outlawed it.
But in that time, Quanah needed a house because he had so many people coming to dignitaries and governors and Teddy.
And no one would obviously give him a loan.
So Goodnight and Burnett gave Quanah the money to build the star house where he lived and housed people.
And in his bedroom, they call it the Star House because he painted the ceiling with stars.
He would sleep on the floor, not in the bed, and stare up at the stars on his ceiling.
Well, I think until people have actually spent a night camping, looking up at the stars where there's no light pollution at all, they don't understand it.
They don't know the appeal.
It's an amazing experience.
It's like one of the coolest things you could ever see in your life and you're denied it.
You're denied it because of advanced technology that allows us to light the streets.
We lit the streets, but we cut off the majesty of the heavens because it humbles you in a way and it grounds you in a way that's soothing.
And I think that's part of the reason why a lot of people, there's a lot of reasons why people have anxiety, but I definitely think that a factor is we're disconnected from the universe.
We're disconnected from all the things that our ancestors saw.
When they would go to bed at night and they'd look up, they'd be like, wow.
Like, before you went to bed, what you saw was, wow.
You know those people, lifelong New Yorkers, that they have to record the sound of New York so that when they go somewhere quiet to sleep, they can play that shit?
Yeah, there's something about the stars that, to me, it's also like the ocean and the mountains in the daytime.
In the daytime, the oceans and the mountains offer a similar thing.
Like, when you see the mountains, it's one thing to see photos of the mountains, but when you're in their presence, they look beautiful in photos, but you don't feel them.
When you're driving through a mountain range and you see, like, snowcat peaks and these beautiful meadows of grass and big trees, it's like, wow!
It's like the most amazing art that you could ever experience.
But it's nature.
And I think nature has a way of getting us attracted to places that are fertile and places that would hold life.
And so when you see the mountains and you see these trees and these valleys and a lake and like this is very fertile.
These fertile places are beautiful to us.
Just like fertile people are beautiful to us.
You know, see women with large breasts and narrow hips and big waist or a big butt and you're like, oh, narrow waist and big hips.
You're like, oh, she could give birth.
She's fertile.
Like this is what's attractive.
Perfect symmetry.
Oh, she has good genes.
She's fertile.
Oh, look at him.
He's big and tall and handsome.
He's fertile.
There's something beautiful about that to us.
It's just nature's way of attracting it to us.
So when you're denied this thing that literally gives you a certain amount of energy, when you go through a beautiful place, there's something about it like, wow.
It's like you're not just living life.
You're living life in the presence of this greatness, this insane vision that you can see all around you.
I think it humbles people in a way, and it grounds people in a way.
One of the more impressive things that I found when I went to Alaska once, we were in Anchorage, and we were doing shows out there, and I was like, these people feel different.
They feel, like, more sturdy.
Like, I guess if you just live in a place that gets cold as fuck, and it doesn't even...
Like, it wasn't even dark out, and it was, like, 2 o'clock in the morning.
It was still, like, light outside.
So this is a weird place to live.
And these people are literally at the mercy of nature.
And they're surrounded by grizzly bears and wolves and moose.
Like, everywhere you go, you can see a moose.
Mooses, they show up on college campuses and stomp people.
They're everywhere.
It's like you're living in a totally different environment than the rest of the world.
And because of that, the people, they're sturdier.
They're more solid.
Even when you talk to them, they've gone through more to get where they are right now.
If you want to go to the Social Security office to get a Social Security card or turn in some paper, you're driving 12 hours to Cheyenne.
So the only interaction, and this is what people in the city don't understand, the only interaction that people in true rural areas have with the government is paying taxes and the military, because most of them joined the military at some point.
Those are their only two experiences with the federal government.
Aside from the rules that the government tells them, they don't get any of the benefits that you may or may not get.
There's towns in California, you go out into San Bernardino County, you go up somewhere around Visalia and that area, and all this money that they're going to spend on roads and shit and everything else, none of that is making it there.
None of it.
So their perception of government is, what are you going to make me do?
They give into it, but what do they extract from it?
Right.
If they get to 65, they get an $1,800 a month check that they've been paying.
It's the worst investment in history of Social Security.
The worst investment in your future you could possibly make.
I'm going to give you whatever, 8% of my check or 12% of my check from the day I turn 20 until I'm 65 and retired, and then you're going to shit out an $1,800 check to me each month?
Especially if you're not gonna get anything out of it like okay like how's this being doled out like well at least If you're gonna collect that money if you did the same thing if you took the same money And you put it into and I'm not a big I'm not a big 401k IRA guy, but if you did And you took that same money and invested in just the major indexes, you know, you would take that money and multiply it 10 to 20-fold.
You'd be a millionaire.
I mean, fuck a millionaire.
And I don't know why the government doesn't at least...
Well, they probably do invest it, they just don't give you any investment.
Whenever you have a situation where you're outside of competition, which the government essentially is, they run the show.
If you had some sort of a business and your business was really inefficient and always fucked things up and really had terrible strategies and could never be audited because your books were always fucked up by millions is missing every year.
Because someone better would come along, they'd do a better job, and that's what competition is all about.
But as soon as you say, you're the ones that get to do this, and then everybody has to pay you no matter what, no matter what, no matter if you do a good job or a bad job, you don't have options, like, hey, this one doesn't seem to be working so well, so there's a private firm that's going to take over the service, you can opt into that as well.
Well, there you go.
Much more efficient, and these are some people that actually run businesses, and they understand businesses, and they're going to be a publicly traded company, so they're going to be responsible to the shareholders, and they're going to make some fucking money, and they're going to do it right.
No, you can't have 8 billion people on a planet, 7 billion now, 8 billion by the time this fucking podcast is over, and not have an effect.
We're going to have an effect anyway.
Yeah.
But they found a way to make it accusatory.
No one knew that this was bad.
We built an entire, not just America, the world, Built an entire social structure, economy, on petroleum products, starting in the 1880s.
And you can't just shut that off.
You can.
But the collapse, the amount of death that would happen, starvation, economic collapse.
So it's perfectly fine to go...
Look, we bet on a horse that has some real complications.
We need to do one of two things, or two things.
We need to figure out how to access cleaner energy, and we need to figure out if there's a way to make this fuel source that we've based everything on.
I mean, look, let's look at all the shit on your table made out of oil.
The bad solution is decide that You can't talk about any of the things that you've just said and that you have to toe the line because climate change is caused by humans and climate change is all bad and we have to go electric and you have this very surface view of what the complex problem in front of everybody is.
And then it becomes a thing.
And it can become a thing just like 9-11 became a thing.
So after that thing, like, we got attacked, now we can do action, and then everybody agrees.
That action's important.
Even as ridiculous as going to Iraq, like, why are we going over there?
That's also something that will happen with climate change.
If you have a thing where everybody tells you, you have to comply, this is necessary, we're all going to die, and meanwhile, every one of their predictions has always been wrong.
I mean, if you go back to Al Gore's Inconvenient Truth.
But that aside, the problem is you're putting in new control.
You're putting in a new mandate, a new narrative.
This narrative is you have to do this because if we don't, we're all gonna die.
Okay, so everybody has to get on board.
And our patience is wearing thin and everybody has to get on board.
Why are you driving an internal combustion engine?
Why are you still...
Okay, but also people are making money in this conversion.
You have to understand there's businesses that are set up that are being...
Positively affected by this conversion.
They're going to make a fuckload of money.
And those are the ones that are going to influence people to pass legislation that mandates things and make sure that we have only electric cars by 2035. But how are we going to propel those electric cars?
Well, how about where are you getting all the fucking conflict minerals?
The craziest thing about electric cars and electric everything is cobalt mining.
Yeah, and the story of how they get the minerals out.
A guy, Siddharth Kara, came on the podcast and he was a journalist that got embedded in these cobalt mines and got this footage, this fucking insane footage of slave labor, essentially.
These people have dirt floors, they have no money, they have no food, they have no options.
They're carrying their babies on their back while they're mining cobalt.
So they're getting all this cobalt dust everywhere.
So they're all getting poisoned.
They're all of a host of fucking diseases that are coming about from this toxic fumes and this shit they're chipping out of the ground.
And that's what powers all of our electric devices.
But the other big problem that no one wants to talk about, and I think that the debate needs to be approached from the standpoint of we've got one side that says, go be proof that the world's going to end.
I don't need to show you proof.
I said it.
Do this bullshit.
Okay, let's just say that we took a corner of Utah and we just solar paneled that fucker and we made enough electricity for the entire nation.
Guess what we can't do?
Get it anywhere.
Because the grid, we do not have the pipeline of the grid.
California's maxed out.
They can't bring it anymore.
They've got to run pipeline.
They've got to run wires.
They're maxed out.
They can't get enough power to the cities, as it is.
They're doing fucking rolling blackouts.
They're telling people to not charge their electric vehicles in the summer.
Yeah, but the problem is, it's just, boy, you're dealing with so many people.
That's the problem.
Like, if you wanted to come into California right now, and you wanted to manage it correctly, and you wanted to fix all the wrongs, and you wanted to clean up the streets and stop all the crime, you couldn't even do it!
You couldn't even do it.
There's too many people that are against you.
There's too many people that no matter how badly they fail doing it in a certain direction, they're going to keep going in that direction.
You know, here's one of the things that I've always found interesting, because everyone knows this and no one says it.
When they talk about the top 1% of the 1%, that they don't pay income tax, you know, the average, the guy that makes $80,000, $100,000 is paying a higher percentage than those guys.
Well, yes, Because you know what billionaires don't get?
They don't get a paycheck.
They don't get a W2. All those leaders, all the head of this bank or that bank, they're getting a dollar.
That's their salary.
And they're getting stocks.
And until they sell the stock, we don't know what the stock's worth.
Everyone talks about Elon Musk is worth 140, however many billions.
No, he's not.
If he's tried to sell all his stock today and get that, he would collapse all his companies.
Collapse them.
You can't do it.
Same with Bezos, same with any of those guys.
So it's paper wealth.
Are they extremely wealthy?
Sure.
Where do they get their money from?
They sell a million shares here, they sell a million there.
Maybe they take a line of credit out off of their shares.
What it's trading at, but let's say it's trading at those keep it round numbers, $100.
Okay, if he sold his first million shares at 100, he's selling his next at 90, he's selling his next at 80, and then it's on fucking MSNBC and now it's worth 30. Yeah.
And then SEC calls and goes, stop trading, something's happening.
Yeah, but this is a narrative that kids get when they're in college and they get introduced to Marxism.
The narrative is that it just hasn't been done correctly and that in an equal and just society, you wouldn't have such disparity of income.
And I understand that this capitalism thing that we're running is not perfect.
It's not perfect, but it's the best system that we've ever seen.
And the thing about what everyone's saying when it comes to equality of income You need to take into consideration equality of effort, equality of focus.
Sure, there's people that have become wealthy doing shady things and ripping people off and finding legal loopholes to extract money, for sure.
No ifs, ands, or buts about it.
But also, people have put in insane amounts of work and focus and dedication to whatever the fuck it is and become way better at it than other people and gotten very successful too.
And their businesses have blown up and now they sell, you know, X amount of units at Walmart and this and that.
What the fuck did that guy have to do to do that?
And are you willing to do that?
You probably aren't.
So there's a competition going on.
And that guy's way ahead in the regular competition.
Not the stealing competition, not the taking advantage of people.
He's way ahead.
And that guy has been an insane worker for 30 years.
So if you come along and say, that guy needs to pay his share, and this is the reason why the world's all fucked.
Well, no.
You have a juvenile perspective.
Part of the reason why the world's all fucked is that there are people out there that only deal in numbers.
And they're just throwing numbers around and betting on this and betting on that and they're all doing coke and they're fucking going crazy and flying around in jets and everybody wants the newest watch.
A Supreme Court looks at evidence that was not presented, they got it from wherever they got it from, with no defense, and makes a decision.
That's dangerous shit.
And it may not feel dangerous to people right now who think at any cost keep Trump from being president again.
But what happens when that same methodology is used against someone that you do support?
Well, you know, once you open Pandora's box and the rule of law is malleable, that's when I say I'm talking about, how is the action of today going to affect the world that my son's trying to raise a child in?
That's what's terrifying to me, is there's so much irrational emotional behavior around our government, around our government.
You can get on The View and say whatever wacky shit you want to say, but when we're talking about courts of law, our government was built.
You've got an executive branch, a legislative branch, and a judicial branch, and it was built to operate very slowly.
It was built to be impervious of the emotion.
That's the whole reason we're a republic and not a democracy.
Because the founding fathers said, you know what?
People get real emotional.
If they can just vote on anything, and you could look at California as an example because it only takes like 20,000 signatures to get something on a ballot, which is how they've passed some feel-good emotional laws that have actually...
Had some real adverse effects on that state.
And that's the whole reason we're a representative government.
And when we can just start arbitrarily changing the rule of law and the nature of the courts, that will be used against us as a people.
But it's also he's such an easy opponent to rally people against if you're on that other side.
And when people are very ideologically based and you can connect one person to all the things that you hate, whether it's You know, he's xenophobic.
He's racist.
He's this.
He's that.
He's gonna stop.
He's ignorant to climate change.
This is a problem.
It's a threat to our democracy.
He said he'd be a dictator for a day.
All these different narratives that get spread out and then people act on that emotion.
They're just very easy to manipulate when you have a guy.
That is boisterous, has said ridiculous things and does talk the way he talks.
It's just easy, if he's the opponent, to get people rallied up and come up with these really irrational things like what we're talking about, like removing him from the ballot.
These are crazy things you can't do unless a guy is actually guilty and proven of it.
Yeah, and and so the further we go to the extreme that is gonna be the choice Man, I really think Bobby Kennedy could have won I think if he beat if he won in the primary and then it's him against Trump I think there's a lot of people that would have voted for Bobby Kennedy.
I don't know if be enough To make him elected, but I think that would be a viable candidate.
I mean, he's one of the main reasons why the Hudson River got cleaned up, holding corporations accountable for environmental pollution.
That was what he did for the longest part, before all this vaccine stuff.
That was his big thing.
That was his big quest.
And just an incredibly knowledgeable guy.
Like when you talk to him, I mean, not perfect.
He's a human being.
But like a viable candidate.
Like a guy who would, I think, make a great leader.
But they didn't want him.
I felt the same way when Tulsi Gabbard was running.
I'm like, okay, you got everything you want here.
You got a brilliant woman who's a veteran, was deployed overseas twice in medical units, like put together people that got blown up.
Congresswoman for eight years, articulate from Hawaii, woman of color.
You got everything.
You got everything you want there, but you don't want her.
Why?
Because you can't control her.
Because she's independent and she has like these rock-solid moral values and she's not playing ball.
She's not playing ball.
You don't like it.
And so this best-case scenario that you had that you've always said you've been looking for, now you're ignoring that one.
Well, what?
Like, what are you doing?
What are you doing?
You're playing a weird game.
You're controlling what the people get to choose on.
You're not just controlling once you get into office.
You're controlling what the people get to choose who gets into office.
And that's what fuels conspiracy theories about the Illuminati and the people that are secretly controlling the stream.
You wonder why all those shows are so popular and all those Reddit conspiracy threads are so popular.
They're so popular because it's obvious people are conspiring.
We're not fucking stupid.
We're not stupid.
That's the whole point of the Bernie Sanders thing.
Bernie Sanders, the Democratic Party, was trying to keep him from fucking ruining the primaries with Hillary.
And they conspired.
They worked together to keep that guy out because they didn't think he was going to play ball.
And he probably wouldn't have.
It's a weird thing that people find these justifications and rationalizations for doing something that's completely opposite of the structure that was put in place by the founding fathers to prevent tyranny.
They put this stuff in place.
They set up in a very specific way that there was all these checks and balances, so it was insanely difficult for someone to become a tyrant.
And troll and even just waste your time scrolling through things.
Forget about the negative aspects of it, people doing negative things, but just wasting your fucking time.
You've got to be careful, because you could look at girls doing squats for like four hours.
And you go, where did the time go?
I didn't get anything done.
And it's also dividing us.
And it's creating these bubbles, these echo chambers, where people get in.
And I find them all the time online.
I'll find someone saying something ridiculous.
Like, there was some post where this lady in Canada, she just did a...
A press conference, like, a couple days ago, where she's doing this press conference telling everybody to get vaccinated and wearing a mask at a press conference.
And I'm like, Canada has a fucking time machine.
They just brought us back to 2020. Like, this lady was recommending for kids that they get vaccinated with a mask on.
And every now and then you'll see a commercial, get your booster, but all the, all the, you're losing your job, you're, you know, they were vilifying people.
But as soon as you know that it doesn't work, we should move to science then.
Because if you're saying trust the science, okay, well, the science seems to indicate that it doesn't work.
So maybe we thought it worked.
We did some studies.
We found out not only does it not work, but there's also problems that come from wearing dirty masks.
There's also a thing where you're not supposed to, if you have those really tight ones, like those N95s or whatever, you're not supposed to wear them for long periods of time.
And then we just try and wash it under the rug and we just...
Don't look over here.
Look over here.
Don't look at the fucking thousands of homeless in San Francisco that are all suddenly gone the day before the whatever they call the Prime Minister of China or Premier or whatever.
And that would definitely be in the favor of people who want to keep us divided and going after each other so they can continue to tighten their grip on what we can and can't do.
But essentially, it really begins with dividing a people and creating a lack of faith in the government.
And the more that you can, if you can start to infiltrate institutions, like institutions of education, if you can start to If you could start to, and chances are very high that, you know, our enemies, and we have them as the United States, we certainly have enemies that have a lot of money and a lot of technical power and time and play the long game and have been injecting these things for 30, 40 years into our society.
But if you, we could probably pull it up somewhere, I bet he could find it.
It's a guy in 1984. He's a defector from the KGB. He's explaining the ideological subversion that they've imparted in these American institutions, how they've done that, exactly what you're talking about.
How they started injecting Marxism and Leninism.
He's talking about how many generations it takes before you destroy the morale of the country and all faith and democracy.
I mean, if you think about all the things that we do to manipulate other countries, I'm not shocked that someone would do that and manipulate us, and that they would do it through education institutions.
That's the way to do it.
You get kids, and then you train them as they leave, and then they go into the workforce.
They have these ideas, like, burned into their heads.
And that's probably what all this gender confusion shit is, this giant uptick of it.
It's literally probably engineered.
And I think that's also what a lot of the climate stuff is.
And a lot of the different things that people are fighting over, it's not just these big financial institutions that are invested in climate change and green energy and all these different things, but it's also other countries just fucking with us.
I think it's a lot of the trolling that you're seeing online is fueled by other countries.
I think a lot of the narratives that get pushed are fueled by other countries, and I think that's what we would do.
I went down a path, and I don't think I'm going to get there, because would the Greenbrae handbook that tells you how to overthrow government be available on the internet?
If I were the devil, if I were the prince of darkness, I'd want to engulf the whole world in darkness, and I'd have a third of its real estate and four-fifths of its population, but I wouldn't be happy until I had seized the ripest apple on the tree.
The.
So I'd set about however necessary to take over the United States.
I'd subvert the churches first.
I'd begin with a campaign of whispers.
With the wisdom of the serpent, I would whisper to you as I whispered to Eve.
Do as you please.
To the young, I would whisper that the Bible is a myth.
I would convince them that man created God instead of the other way around.
I would confide that what's bad is good and what's good is square.
And the old I would teach to pray after me, our Father, which art in Washington.
And then I'd get organized.
I'd educate authors in how to make lurid literature exciting so that anything else would appear dull and uninteresting.
I'd threaten TV with dirtier movies, and vice versa.
I'd peddle narcotics to whom I could.
I'd sell alcohol to ladies and gentlemen of distinction.
I'd tranquilize the rest with pills.
If I were the devil, I'd soon have families at war with themselves, churches at war with themselves, and nations at war with themselves, until each in its turn was consumed.
And with promises of higher ratings, I'd have mesmerizing media fanning the flames.
If I were the devil, I would encourage schools to refine young intellects, but neglect to discipline emotions.
But the result's the same, and we're seeing that, you know, I think they said, somebody said, all these things are bad, work ethic, all these things are racist.
This guy's a wizard on the computer, so he'll find it for me.
There's a guy that wrote a book.
I have not read it.
I just read this passage.
I think the New York Times or Atlantic or somebody wrote about this.
And he's either a political writer.
And I can't remember his name.
Book was written in the 90s.
And he talked about the fundamental difference between liberalism and conservatism and the reason that it's destined to continue moving out to these extremes and that there can't ever be any compromise.
And essentially, it stated that the liberal point of view was that crime and all these social ills, it's a social construct.
And that if you could find a way to level the playing field for everybody, that crime would be eliminated.
All these issues would go away.
Poverty would go away.
All the social ills that we have would disappear if everyone had the same opportunities and the same stuff.
The flip side of that is the conservative view, which is there's evil in the world.
There's good in the world.
We're going to try and manage the evil as best we can and create an opportunity for people to succeed or they can fuck up and best of luck.
One side seems naive.
One side seems extremely harsh, but those are the beliefs and that side can never compromise with this side.
And vice versa, because you're abandoning your own ideology.
I was watching this clip that I saw on YouTube of Tucker Carlson on Tim Pool's show talking about aliens.
And he's talking about it from like a...
Almost like a religious perspective.
I think what they're essentially saying is that he was talking about good and evil.
See if you can find the clip.
He's talking about good and evil.
And he's talking about it in relationship to UFOs, and that they've always been here.
So it's like, are you trying to say, like, what does he know?
And can you say what you know?
Like, why do you think this?
And are you saying that, like, a lot of the talk of, like, angels and devils in the Bible, and good and evil, that it actually manifests itself in physical form, And we don't know what it looks like because we haven't seen it.
But when we do see it, we think it's a UFO. So we think it's from another planet, but it's really just evil or really just good.
So it's angels and devils.
Is that what you're saying?
Because if that's what you're saying, boy, that's a fucking freaky argument because that's one of the weirdest arguments about the UFO thing is that we are essentially containers of souls and that what this planet is for, for these beings, is they mine souls here and that they develop souls here.
And that all of our motivations for existing and all of our ego and all of our ambition is really just a way to carry that soul as a vessel.
Everyone knows how to do it, and they all do it that way.
Maybe the soul being in this biological vehicle and given this intelligence and this desire to achieve and to pursue technological innovations and all these different things that human beings do, allows them to get to the point where we're at right now.
Where they create artificial intelligence.
And what these UAPs and UFOs that are appearing in greater numbers and being reported by all these fighter jet pilots, maybe what they're doing is they're witnessing the farmers who are coming by to watch their creation give birth to this thing, which is them.
Which would be AI. Which is AI. Not artificial.
Artificial is the wrong word.
A new form of life.
A life that is not based in biology and breeding through sperm and cells and eggs, but instead completely technological and able to self-reproduce and able to create its own version of itself that's far superior to the one that initially created it.
And that it would constantly do that.
And that's what the universe is filled with.
That what we are...
We're just this fucking caterpillar that's making a cocoon.
We don't even know what we're doing.
And we're gonna give birth to this butterfly.
And that's what the whole human race is about.
And that's the sinister aspect.
That's what good and evil and all these different things playing off against each other is that we need this constant competition.
We're always searching for utopia, searching for that meadow we can retire in.
But it's like this strife and this struggle is what makes us continue to push society further and further until this thing is born.
It's my personal belief, based on a fair amount of evidence, that they're not aliens.
They've always been here.
And I do think it's spiritual.
That's my view.
And again, it's not provable, but based on the evidence, I think.
If the U.S. government has, in fact, Had contact, direct contact with these beings, whatever they are, I've already told you what I think they are, and has entered into some sort of agreement with them, which is the claim of informed people, I would say, whether they're right or wrong, I can't say conclusively.
But if that is true, I mean, it's a very, very, very heavy thing.
Well, those are some patient freaking alien angels because they waited around 10,000 years from discovering a wheel and domesticating the first plant to electricity.
Well, if you have artificial intelligence, if you have a life form that's a million years more advanced than us, it's non-biological at that point, you have all the time in the world.
And one of the primary theories about how life got started on Earth is panspermia.
Which is that amino acids and these various building blocks of life come in in asteroids.
They slam into the earth.
And that somehow or another over the course of millions and millions of years of chemical interactions, billions of years, you have life, single cell, complex life.
And then that life advances to the point where it creates a new version of life.
And if that is just how it works everywhere, we say, oh my god, that takes so much time.
But does it?
Because think about how much time it takes to make a fucking planet.
Think about how much time it takes for all that matter to coalesce and to gel up into this fucking ball.
And then for the temperature to stabilize, because it has a moon around it that's...
You know one quarter the size of the planet itself and everything is kind of stable and it gets to the point where biological life can exist and then it starts fucking making shit and make better and better and better and start arguing with shit about climate change and gender pronouns and all this stupid shit while it's the real thing it's doing is forcing you to get that motherfucker online.
I think it's based on an understanding that people had achieved.
Because if you think about the Bible, right?
And if all these people are correct about the original history of sophisticated civilization, if the Randall Carlsons and the Graham Hancocks and the Robert Shocks of the world and the John Anthony West, if they're correct in the timeline of, say, the most sophisticated society that we are aware of, which is Africa.
If those people that lived in Africa 30,000, 40,000 years ago in Egypt, if they created...
A society that was infinitely more sophisticated than anything that we had ever seen before.
Well, how about that you have a similar world in Central and South America where they also had built things many thousands of years ago that still, like, how the fuck do you do that?
Well, I think if those things go down and then people have to rebuild, I think it takes a long time before people figure out what happened.
I think it takes a long time, and I think that's where a lot of the confusion that you see in the Bible comes from.
Like, God made the earth and the sky and everything in like six days, right?
And on the sixth day, he rested.
Okay.
What are they actually saying, though?
you're getting things that are translated from a written an oral history of a thousand years and then they're writing it down in Aramaic They're writing it down in ancient Hebrew and you're getting it many many many many many many many many many years later long after the Diluted and...
Think about what people are willing to do today to the Constitution.
Today.
With all the information that we have about the dangers of this, think about what they're trying to do today.
Now imagine what you would do if you had the real knowledge of the birth of the solar system, of the development of human beings, and the God energy of the universe, and you tried to translate it.
Over an oral history because there's chaos because there's no more cities anymore and everyone's dead and you're just like hunting and gathering as cave people and you're trying to relay this origin story of mankind and then it gets written down in parables and it gets written down in Latin and it gets translated over the years and and then people try okay then they sit down and they look at it many years later they go what the What the fuck were they trying to say?
Like, what were they trying to say?
Because so much of what they're trying to say, if you're really paying attention, like, it seems like it's kind of laid out like the origins of the universe.
If those people were that smart, why wouldn't we imagine they had an understanding of the birth of the universe?
Why wouldn't we imagine they would have this bizarre understanding of the way morality and good and evil play out with human beings?
Maybe they were right.
Maybe they were right, but it all just got fucked up over the thousands of years after asteroid impacts and thousands of years of the destruction of the advanced civilizations and the world going back into chaos and then slowly rebuilding.
And you're rebuilding with these ancient texts that you find in clay pots in Qumran.
You ever seen when they translate the Dead Sea Scrolls?
They lay them out, and they have to try to figure out which pieces go with which scroll, and they do it based on DNA. All this DNA is from this cow, so let's take this scroll from this cow skin and put it together and try to read what the fuck they said.
It's incredible.
But it makes sense.
It makes sense if you buy into the idea that there's been a restart of civilization, and then you go back and say, okay, what is the history of the Bible?
And then our version of it is this simplified, uneducated, barbaric version that gets translated from people that are involved in sword fights.
They're fighting each other with swords and hacking each other to death for thousands of years while they're telling this story.
The Crusades!
All these different things that people did during that time, horrific things.
And during that time, they're doing it, many of them, in defense of their god, in defense of their religion.
They're motivating people by these books.
It's fascinating stuff.
It's fascinating.
But when you hear a guy like Tucker Carlson saying, what else do you know, bro?
Say what you know.
What makes you say that?
Because if that really is what it is, that would make sense to me, why the government would keep that information from people.
Because if we found out that people were essentially just a vessel of souls, And that we are essentially designed to give birth to artificial intelligence.
And then that will be the end of us.
So that's why they're not worried about nuclear war.
That's why they're not worried about the environment.
There's so many funny people out there that are creating memes.
It's a specific type of humor that is really accelerated, because it's totally anonymous.
Because sometimes people put watermarks on them, but oftentimes the people put in the watermarks on them, not even the people that have created them.
I know that for a fact, because people will put watermarks on my videos, and it's not even me.
Not my watermarks.
Somebody else puts a watermark on my video and puts it online.
And so there's a lot of them like that, like a shitload of them.
They'll take clips of this show, and then they put their own watermark on it and put it up on YouTube or put it up wherever on TikTok and what have you.
Yeah, it happens all the time.
So for sure they're doing that.
But the memes are, for the most part, anonymous.
And, like, they're hilarious.
Like some of the funniest shit that I see on any given day is a meme that a friend of mine sends me.
So it's like just regular people that are figuring out this new comedy art form that's pure because you don't monetize it.
It's pure.
It's just getting sent to people in text messages.
It's like the amount of people laughing at memes throughout any given day.
See, you don't even know this.
Alright, I'm gonna have to hit you with some of these.
That's part of the Internet Research Agency was making really funny memes during the 2016 election.
Really?
Yeah, there's a lot of dispute about this because some of the people that have created this research have also partly been responsible for similar disinformation, allegedly.
But anyway, there's this one woman who came to my podcast to talk about it, and she'd done a lot of research on it.
Her name is Renee DiResta.
And she said there's...
Hundreds of thousands of them that were created by these Russian troll farms, and some of them were really funny.
They were really funny.
And they created these specifically to mock, like, Hillary Clinton, or to mock Donald Trump, or to mock this, or to mock Texas, or to mock the blue states, or mock the red states, and they just would crank these out and throw them online, and just keep everybody...
You ever think about your reading the comments on your deal, what Instagram or whatever the fuck it is, and the chances that that's some Chinese 23-year-old sitting in a fucking warehouse on his computer?
There's certainly people that engage in that stupidity all day long, but there's also, I'll go to, like, I'll see someone that has a ridiculous take on something, I'll go, let me check out that guy's page.
And I'll go to his page, I'll go, oh, you're a fake person.
You're a fake person.
This is like you got an American flag in your fucking Twitter bio.
You're not a real person.
You have two followers and you don't have any posts.
But you're just like shitting on people and you're getting involved in these things.
Like, okay, I see.
All you do is reply to things.
And when I look at your reply, they're all very specific the way you do it.
And a lot of times you can take certain things that people say and you can put them in a search engine and you'll find hundreds of Twitter accounts that have the exact same thing they're saying verbatim.
When people were saying that the FBI was involved in the January 6th insurrection, that they were instigating people to break into the Capitol, I'm like, possibly.
But also, if you've got an extremist group, if you've got a group that you think might break into the Capitol, and you're the FBI, you're supposed to Get embedded in those people.
You've got to find out what the fuck they're doing.
Ideally, if you find out they're just a bunch of knuckleheads, you're supposed to leave them alone.
You're not supposed to convince them they have to kidnap the governor of Minnesota or Michigan or wherever the fuck it was.
But, you know, there's so many stories of them actually doing that.
Like, convincing people to do shit that they would never have done.
And that's what they said about the Whitmer thing.
That these poor guys, they're just dummies.
You know?
Like, there's a certain percentage of the population of this country.
I forget what the number is.
But they're below 85 IQ. There's a certain percentage of people who just have low watt brains and if you get a hold of those dummies and all of a sudden you're their friend and you're convincing them, We gotta stand up for something.
You don't stand up for something, you're not nothing.
Like, yeah, we gotta fucking stand up for something.
That fucking governor, man, that's the problem.
You know, if we kidnapped her, we could fucking turn this whole thing around.
We could take over this fucking country.
We'd do it the right way.
Yeah, probably.
So, listen, we're gonna meet at the docks at 9 o'clock.
We are brothers.
We are brotherhood in this fight.
Okay, 9 o'clock.
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And then you go there like, I just wanted a friend!
And there's no way that in the two decades since then, because shit ain't got better, relations haven't got better, there's no way that there haven't been any number of things that those guys have had to thwart that they just won't tell us about, can't tell us, because it'll give away the fact that they're inside.
If you're the president of the world, and if you have this fucking magic wand...
Do you even want drugs to be legal?
What do you want to do?
Do you want to go after the people that are making the drugs and just say it's a war on America, on American youth, because 100,000 people die every year and we need to involve the military and go after the cartels?
Or do you say, we need to wake up to the fact that people are going to take these fucking things no matter what?
So we need to regulate them, make them legal, and make them pure, and also give people some sort of an understanding of what the correct dose is, tell them not to do it, offer counseling, have rehab centers, have all that funded by the taxes that you're going to make from selling these things legally, but allow people to sell it legally.
Because you're either boosting up the pharmaceutical drug companies, which are pretty gangster, Or you're boosting up the real gangsters.
And the number of deaths from prescription overdoses, it's pretty substantially high.
I think it would be a failure.
I think...
I don't think it would work.
I don't know what we do.
I think that...
And I talked about it in Sicario, where he says, look, until we can figure out a way to convince 20% of the population not to smoke and snort this shit, a measure of control is the best we can hope for.
Yeah, if you made it legal, for sure there would be people, this is the argument against it, if you made it legal for sure there would be people that try it, that wouldn't ordinarily try it, but they try it because it's legal.
Now that's the argument for it being legal and hard to get.
That if it was legal and you really went after the people that are making it illegally and you test everything, you would stop all the fentanyl overdoses at least.
But you're not going to stop all the overdoses.
You know, for sure, people just overdose on regular coke.
They definitely die on regular heroin.
They definitely have.
It's just, would they die as often?
Would it be as bad?
And would you have to deal with propping up this illegal drug regime, which is the scary part.
Is that right next door, we could just walk over there.
You could literally walk over.
They're walking over here.
We could walk over there, too.
You could walk over to a place that's run by drug cartels.
If you've worked really hard and you've built up this and you've got a family and you've got a kid in college and someone goes, hey, you want to go over to this new bar that got cocaine?
But if you've grown up in this fucking shitty family and your father's abusive and mom's an alcoholic and she's a drug abuser and you feel like you have no hope, then you're going to turn to that.
So it preys on the weakest, the most vulnerable of our society.
I wonder if if there's not a way I would want to try I would want to try like how do we and I don't want to sound How do we just lock this place down long enough that we freaking keep the drugs out?
I think they're so sophisticated on the ways they get it in.
And there's enough people corrupt on the side that let it in.
I don't think you could ever do it.
And it's a $3.3 trillion a year business.
So they've figured out things.
There's probably some fucking highway under New Mexico that comes up in a warehouse and they're trucking this shit out and they've paid off everybody and It's a $3.3 trillion business.
One of the things that Mariana Van Zeller found out, one of the things she investigated is cops that are corrupt in Los Angeles taking confiscated weapons and then driving them into Mexico and selling them to the cartels.
You know, look, if you're going to be in the FBI... And there's a lot of politicization of the FBI right now.
But what they're not doing is getting in a shit ton of shootings.
And if they are, we're not hearing about them.
Those guys and those men and women have college degrees.
A lot of them have law degrees.
They're going to go through a year at the farm before they start out somewhere very small, have all these different training regiments before they're running around busting down doors.
George W. Bush actually initiated legislation for amnesty that involves back taxes and some things, but would give people, like all the immigrants, a green card.
There was a bunch of pushback saying, well, one side going, now we want a path to citizenship.
And I think the Democrats were like, whoa, you're not going to take all our fucking Latin vote.
Hell no.
You can't do that.
So it got squashed.
But there was an attempt to legitimize all these people that had moved here illegally, but had created a home and were working and contributing members of society.
And they killed it because it didn't go far enough for some.
That's unfortunate, because if you can get to the point where you can tell those people they can be police officers and they can carry guns on duty, which Colorado did there as well, that's what it said.
Make them citizens.
It seems like they're good people.
They're doing a good job.
They're here.
They're paying taxes.
They're living.
They're part of society.
They want to be police officers.
Why would we assume they're bad?
The problem is that they're not citizens.
Well, why is it such a difficult path to citizenship for someone who was born somewhere else but came over here as a child and doesn't...
I'm assuming if you're a cop you don't have a criminal record.
I'm sure every generation thinks that they're at the precipice of disaster, but certainly World War II felt that way, and I know it felt that way in the 50s with the Cold War.
And I think a lot of that is accentuated by what we were talking about earlier with the social media use and the subversion of our educational institutions.
That's a big part of why we have this divide.
And I think one thing that can combat that is a rational discourse that's appealing to people.
And the people like you and other people that have these opinions, they say them out loud and people listen and they go, you know what?
He's right.
Like, this is crazy.
Like, this divide is crazy.
And what is accentuating this divide?
Engaging in these fucking stupid arguments online that might not even be with real people?