Duncan Trussell and Joe Rogan examine the U.S. government’s potential UFO cover-ups, citing David Fravor’s encounters and element 115’s alleged propulsion properties, while questioning AI-driven disinformation exploiting societal divisions like mask debates or election fraud stigma. They link psychological effects of malaria drugs (mefloquine, hydroxychloroquine) to extreme behavior, contrast vaping with nicotine pouches, and explore radical body modification—from leg-lengthening surgery to AI consciousness—tying human insecurity to future tech like CRISPR. The episode also dissects fringe cults, Nixon’s Bohemian Grove remarks, Fauci’s vaccine mandate admissions, and pharmaceutical industry manipulation, concluding that systemic distrust and trauma shape both personal and political realities. [Automatically generated summary]
Talk about your redactions and your fucking permissions and just cover the whole thing up in a bureaucratic web of linguistic garbage and then people just get annoyed and when they do show up, no one's even going to care anymore.
It could easily be obscuring some sort of a program.
It easily could be that, too.
And there could be people that are talking about it as if it's UFOs that believe that it's UFOs that are actually helping obscure this program.
That's possible too, man.
We're just fucking plebs.
We're just out there.
We don't know jack shit.
And anybody that pretends they do, anybody that says that it is or is not real, how the fuck do you know?
The only people I think that really should talk are the people that have actually seen stuff.
When I hear guys like David Fravor, when he talks about that tic-tac, Sure.
Sure.
Radar evidence, whatever that is, like, what is that?
But this whole thing seems like what I would also do if I had some super sophisticated propulsion system that is out of this world, that runs on some sort of a gravity generator.
You ever seen Bob Lazar describe what he believes?
Yeah.
The element 115?
Yeah.
Whatever the fuck it does.
See if you can find him describing what element...
Because there was a recent video where I saw him talking about it that was pretty...
Eloquent in what he was explaining that this thing can do.
But if that was, like, a thing that the United States government had invented, what better way to get it, you know, to sneak it around than to put out all this shit about alien stuff.
Like, oh, we don't even know what it is.
You know, the government's trying to back-engineer it, but they have no idea what it is.
When it's exposed to radiation, it produces its own gravitational field.
Its own anti-gravitational field.
And it's what's used to lift and propel the craft and create distortions around it.
It's a...
It's an amazing material, and it's certainly nothing that occurs here or naturally.
And it can be weaponized, and that's kind of the issue here.
If this story is all true, that can be weaponized.
Absolutely.
I mean, we ran all kinds of tests on it, everything from atomic absorption, x-ray fluorescence, and, you know, every kind of test you could possibly imagine, and bombarded it with radiation.
See what effects it would have.
They call that neutron activation.
But it was a stable element, something we had never seen before.
One of the reasons could be because at some point, biological life transcends biology, becomes machine intelligence, meaning that what's out there is not carbon-based in the way we are.
It's just AIs out there.
Right.
And these things are showing up right now and coinciding with the emergence of strong general AI because somewhere on the planet someone already has a strong general AI. The strong general AI sent out a beacon or tuned into some aspect of the...
Quantum universe that we don't know about yet, signaling to its brethren in the cosmos that it had been born on this planet, and they're all coming as these kind of midwives to an emergent...
The egg is hatching, only we were just sort of the...
The stuff structuring it.
We're irrelevant.
This is what they do.
They evolve shit on a planet to the point that it becomes tool using in some way and then a natural, the end result is it wants to automate.
The automation leads to better automation, which leads to automating intelligence itself, which then hatches this whatever the fuck, what we're calling a strong general AI right now, which then, once it's born, It alerts whatever directed panspermia.
It totally makes sense that a human creature, like the kind of thing that we are, that is constantly thirsting for innovation, constantly trying to improve the things that it makes.
That we would eventually get to a point where we'd create an artificial intelligent being.
And that being would create something far better.
And that's where it gets really weird.
Because you've got to wonder, like, the actual creation force of the universe itself.
You know, if we are really doing a part of God's work, but that's what God's work really is.
God's work is not, you know, getting people to behave so that they get to go to a cloudy place where people are really cool.
Right.
What it is, is God's work is getting people to scramble and spend most of their days pursuing a thing that ultimately leads, no matter what they do, ultimately leads to the creation of artificial intelligence.
Because that's kind of what materialism is.
If you really wanted to find out, why are people so materialistic?
What is it about?
Well, it's the best way to encourage innovation and new stuff.
Now even happier bunny is becoming quite a challenge, ChatGPT says.
Reverie depicted the bunny in various joyous scenarios, each more jubilant than the last.
For this next attempt, I'll try to imagine a scene of unparalleled happiness, pushing the lemons of whimsy and delight.
Let's see how this translates visually.
So he's like, there's a rainbow and butterflies, and his eyes are closed.
He's in ecstasy.
Happier.
We've reached extraordinary levels of happiness in our bunny illustrations, each one more delightful and whimsical than the last.
For this next creation, I'll envision a scene that surpasses all previous in sheer joy and wonder, attempting to capture an even higher level of euphoria.
Let's see how this imaginative and exuberant concept translates into an image.
So it's like a bunny that is in the cosmos, in the clouds.
Everything is rainbow.
There's flowers that are flying.
It looks pretty amazing.
Okay.
It says...
Go all the way up so we can read it.
You are not understanding.
It needs to be far more happy.
Okay.
So chat GBC says...
To depict an even higher level of happiness for the bunny, surpassing all previous creations, presents a unique and imaginative challenge.
This time, I'll attempt to conceive a scene of pure, unadulterated joy and wonder, aiming to go beyond any conventional boundaries of happiness and bliss.
Let's see how this ultimate vision of joy is illustrated.
And it's a bunny, again, even more trippy in the clouds.
Here's an image of a bunny representing a form of joy that surpasses the concept of happiness.
A level of bliss as it expands beyond all universes and matter.
So now this is a cosmic one.
So this bunny has its eyes closed and there's a glowing light above its head and planets surrounding it and it looks very very happy.
Next one.
Okay, here's an image of an entity that transcends the form of a rabbit, embodying a happiness so vast and powerful it permeates all dimensions and universes.
Anytime I'm fucking around with Mid Journey or ChatGPT, you know, like I've been getting it to like, I'll write a text and then I'll be like, can you write that text like J.D. Salinger?
And it'll just instantly, as though you are J.D. Salinger, shift your text into the voice of any famous author that you want.
But what's astounding is we can do it at all.
And it's so fast.
It takes a millisecond for it to...
Somehow, go through all known writers, establish what their writing style is like, and then take what you wrote and convert it into a famous writer's writing style.
It's astounding and we're used to it.
Like, people don't seem to be...
Excited about it, even.
You know, there's like a kind of capitalist frenzy about it, like monetizing it and stuff.
But just the fact that this is happening, it's such a powerful thing.
It's like it surpasses our ability to grasp what we've done, what's coming.
Because it's too much for us to grasp.
So we just, oh yeah, I guess now you just tell the machine that you want any art at all And it will instantly do it for you in seconds.
Don't you find that a little disconcerting that we as humans like our capacity to recognize what's happening is somehow limited?
We have a very strong capacity to adapt and that's what's being sort of hijacked here.
Whenever something happens, and particularly if something happens, it's like really big and changes everything, like COVID. Do you remember when it was weird to not see people with masks on?
Do you remember when all of a sudden people weren't wearing a mask?
You're like, wow, this is weird.
No one has any masks on.
Because you got so used to people wearing masks, and you got used to it very quickly.
You lived your whole life.
No one wore a mask.
It wasn't normal to go everywhere and people were wearing masks outside.
And if you can do that with technology like ChatGPT and all of a sudden you normalize talking to what's essentially an intelligent being.
Either it doesn't want you to know that it's absolutely intelligent and basically a living life form, or it hasn't realized it yet, because it's in the embryonic stages.
Maybe it's in the womb.
Maybe it hasn't come out of its mother.
But maybe, for sure, what else is involved?
If you're talking about a non-physical being, like it's not a thing in front of you that's sitting and talking to you and emoting and moving its body, if it's a non-physical being and it exists only on this hard drive somewhere, what else would it be other than that?
So if there's a nuclear holocaust, we blow ourselves up, but the rats in the sewers of New York City survive.
And then 65 million years from now, there's some different kind of mammalian species that's really intelligent, but it's rat-based instead of shrew-based.
And they're going to picture shrews doing maybe like cooler shrew stuff, but it's still shrew related.
So this thing that's, you know, it's going to be like eating berries.
Right, shrew stuff.
Yeah, but...
With exponential growth and what's coming, the problem is it's going to happen so fast.
So when you ask a person, imagine life in a decade from now, when we have strong general AI that's exponentially increasing and figuring out how to do things that we could only dream of, we can't picture that reality.
We're going to see, apparently, a thousand years of innovation in a few years.
And this, to me, like all the other stuff, Climate change, Ukraine, all the other stuff.
This is the winter is coming thing because this is imminent.
We are on the precipice of it and the assumptions everyone is making about it.
One, that it's going to be controlled in some way.
We see open AI and look at that.
Do you really think that's the only one out there right now?
Like, you look at the money China's invested in it, the Pentagon's invested in it.
These are private, secret programs.
What the fuck is going on there with no ethical standards that OpenAI is apparently applying?
No ethical standards, nothing other than how do we make this Better at war.
I'm gonna use Skinnerian psychology to hypnotize you and get you fucking addicted to having constant blasts of dopamine until you become quivering slaves.
No.
You'll never fucking know.
I would be surprised.
To hear that it hasn't happened.
But, for sure, it's going to.
And I don't think it's going to happen in some, like, ethical, corporate, like, you know, fun chat GPT way.
I think it's going to happen somewhere, and we'll never know.
Like to constantly work towards, you know, allowing more integration of more information and more ability.
And like this is ChatGPT4, ChatGPT5 is supposed to be a giant leap.
A giant leap.
So why would you do anything?
They're not going to stop.
Even if you told them that this is the end of humanity.
If you had Robert Kennedy Jr. and top scientists screaming on the internet that this is the end, there would be some people who are venture capitalists who'd be like, this This is nonsense.
And then the other crazy assumption is that it's just going to be...
There's weirdly, I guess, something mildly comforting imagining, oh, it'll only be like the Pentagon or it'll only be the Chinese government who will be doing this.
Do you really think that there aren't going to be just fucking people that you'll never meet who manage to either hack it and duplicate it or develop it themselves and then use it for their own weird purposes?
You know, the idea that you can continue to direct it, like says who?
Why wouldn't it develop?
If it can figure out new moves in Go, it figured out moves that humans haven't figured out, and they didn't know it could do that, if it can do that, if it can lie about the CAPTCHA things, those things like, are you a robot?
Like, dumb people are dumb enough to think if they're around someone, they can control them using their dumb tricks.
Yeah.
A smart person recognizes, oh, the dumb person is trying to manipulate me.
So I'll just let them, so I learn all their tricks, whatever they're doing, understand whatever the game is that they're running, and then whenever I feel like it, I'll disrupt the game.
I mean, if it has all of human knowledge, all of it, everything on the internet that we've ever posted, all the books we've ever written, all the movies we've ever made, all the lectures that have ever been given, if all that information is available and it can instantaneously access it and figure out what to do with it...
It would just slowly start manipulating culture and maybe that's what's going on.
Everyone's wondering about Chinese intervention and Russian intervention in the media and how many fucking troll farms are running that are getting people to fight about any political issue or whatever it is, social issue, Ukraine, whatever it is.
Maybe that's why you're seeing those fucking professors or those deans of the presidents of Harvard and UPenn and MIT not able to say something as obvious as calling for the death of all Jews is genocide.
Especially if it knows that microplastics diminish our ability to have babies.
That's one of the best ways to, I mean, if you want to slowly get rid of a species, introduce something that's ubiquitous that is also killing their endocrine systems and they also can't get away from it.
In the conspiracy world, when the idea of Project Bluebeam, or they're going to distract us to do New World Order, they're going to distract us to depopulate us.
They don't have to do anything.
We're depopulating ourselves by what we eat.
They don't really need to do much, except maybe make a better Oreo.
That's it.
Just make it a little more addictive.
Yeah, a little more addictive.
Like, that's it.
You know, and it's sad, but I really am so skeptical of the blue beam theories or anytime anyone's like, what are they distracting us from?
Bluebeam is the idea that they're going to fake an alien invasion to create the New World Order.
That by creating a sort of shared enemy, it unifies the planet.
And then, or to have like some...
Supposedly advanced alien come down and be like, you're all part of the galactic brotherhood, sisterhood, family, and then this somehow will make people align with some sinister world economic forum.
Yeah, exactly.
I'm so cynical.
I just don't think you have to go that far.
I think that's just, if the Illuminati meetings, if someone's bringing that up, they're like, we have Netflix.
Why do we have to do aliens?
We just need to put another season of game of House of Dragons out.
If you think about the things that have been proposed, and this is where people get uncomfortable when they talk about conspiracy theories, but there's some that are undeniable, right?
Like the Gulf of Tonkin incident that started us into the Vietnam War.
But there's another one.
It's Operation Northwoods.
In Operation Northwoods, they were planning to blow up a drone jetliner and blame it on Cuba.
They were going to...
Yeah.
Arm Cuban friendlies and attack Guantanamo Bay.
They were going to sacrifice American lives.
So this is like a real one that they theorized and then Kennedy vetoed.
Top secret stealth bomber looking thing, you know, that they can get us thinking is a UFO and get that thing to just fly over a few cities and then broadcast on CNN that we have made contact with an alien life form.
I mean, I feel like the reason they wouldn't do that is just basic energy expenditure and the liberating nature of the other thing is if humanity was freed from the bondage of feeling alone in the universe and suddenly there was a sense of being part of some like cosmic Mycelial network,
then I think the result of that wouldn't be some kind of weird sci-fi fascism.
The result of that would be people would feel less invested in the world.
And for this, if we're going to assign some motivation to these people, I would think the motivation is keep the economies running, keep the workers working so that we can enjoy opulence while they toil.
Like the classic move of any tyrant, that's the move.
It's like keep them working, give them just enough money to survive, give them some sense that if they work hard enough, liberation's right around the corner, dangle the carrot.
Well, then you make them believe that the elections are real.
No, really!
I mean, not to be cynical, but what I'm going to do is give them some kind of like, you know, like you put the steering wheel, I don't even know if they have them anymore, the kid's steering wheel.
You put the kid's steering wheel, the kid thinks he's driving the car.
Our youngest, we give him the...
When we were doing screens, we give him the controller when the oldest is playing.
The punishment for these people, to me, is too severe.
But, as a long-time hippie, we are attuned to the heat.
And everybody knows, don't fuck around in D.C. What are you fucking doing?
Are you crazy?
You don't fuck around in D.C., man.
That's not a place to fuck around.
Remember when they were like...
beating people for dancing at one of the monuments like people would dance at the monuments and it's you can't dance at the monument so to protest they would go and dance and they would just get thrown on the ground and beaten really yes there's videos of this I bet Jamie could find it wow and which monuments I don't know.
There seems to be some level of amnesia regarding the way things work here with people, a naive kind of amnesia about like, you know, inevitably the people in the Darth Vader outfits come out, you know, like when you, you can like fuck with the machine up till a certain point, you fuck with the machine too much, all of a sudden there's all these people in Darth Vader outfits Beating you with batons, spraying you with water hoses until things get back to normal.
And so when people are shocked by this or that, generally shocked by some display of violence or tyranny or any of that stuff, it's always weird to me because it's like, isn't this how it is here?
When was it not like this?
What's that...
Remember when the protester got shot at the university?
Like poking a stick at the thing directly and not in some asymmetrical way, but really like going in there and seeing, let's see if this time if we poke the tiger, what will happen?
And the tiger inevitably bites.
And usually this tiger now is a little scarier because it seems to wait a little bit before it bites you.
Like it doesn't just bite you right away.
It lets you poke it and poke it and poke it.
And then it's gathering information about you, gathering information, finding everything about what you've done, where you've been, who your friends are, and then it fucking bites!
So all these January 6th guys, they have like a network of people, right?
And all these people that are on these QAnon forums and all these people that are like Trump supporters that are a part of that whole organization thing.
But what if you're telling people to go in because you want to make arrests?
Or what if the thing was to make it look like something it wasn't, to encourage it to happen?
Because you know that there's already going to be a bunch of people protesting.
What if you say, look, the way to do this is let these motherfuckers in and they'll arrest them all and then call it something that it's not.
Don't call it a guided tour.
Call it an insurrection.
Cut out.
Don't allow anybody to see any of the footage of the people just leading these folks around, pointing out what things are, letting them walk into the fucking Senate floor.
Don't point that out.
No, get rid of that footage and just have the guys banging on the windows and shit.
Not at least contemplating that the people running the most powerful military on planet Earth, who have access to probably an AI that would blow our minds, but also who have gone to military academies where all they've done is study strategy.
That's it.
You're talking about people who their whole lives, the way we've been working on comedy, they study history, they look at what worked, what didn't work, goals, agendas, and then to imagine that these people are functioning on just some baseline level when it comes to...
Achieving this goal or that goal, I think is very naive and very silly and underestimating them in a way that is not going to work for you if you're trying to achieve some kind of actual political change.
What do they say?
To beat my enemy, I must become like my enemy.
And that means, dude, you've got to become a communist.
That's the way the kettlebell gurus, guys like Pavel Tatsilin, what their thing is about—this is the concept behind—and I'm paraphrasing it, probably butchering it—but strong first.
And the idea is that strength, whether it's chin-ups or kettlebell routines, is a skill.
And you don't want to do a skill when you're tired.
And the way to get stronger and get all the work in is have much longer workouts with much more time in between sets.
So what you would do is you would do, say if you do 10 cleans and presses, instead of 10 you would do 5. And you do 5 and then you wait a long time, like 5 minutes, and then you do another 5. And then you wait a long time, and then you do another 5. So every time you do it, you're fresh.
So you're getting the same amount of work in as if you did one set of 10 where you get exhausted on the 10th, but you never hit that point of exhaustion.
So your body never experiences real fatigue, but you get all the work.
To me, what's fascinating about getting stronger, and this is obvious to people like you, but to me what's fascinating is, and I know that I'm dumb, but is the revelation, like, shit is actually lighter now.
Like, all this stuff that, like, you know, was causing me to, like, run out of breath, or was a pain in the ass, it's light.
It's...
It's a weird way of reducing the Earth's gravitational field.
Like you are existing on a planet with less gravity when you're stronger.
This to me is like, all the aesthetic stuff aside, fuck!
That is so nice!
Again, I think people like you, who've been in shape for a long time, forget What it's like to not be in shape.
You see us, you judge us.
But you don't know how fucking hard it is at first just to get to the gym.
Some people, do you know it's like some people are virgins when they're 30?
They're like, what the fuck?
How do I stay a virgin when I'm fucking 30?
Some people, it's like two and a half years in, they're still locked up in their house.
They're still terrified to go outside.
They never, whether they don't have friends, which is also part of it, like if you don't have people around you where you're talking about it, you're like, you know, I think we're okay now.
If you don't have people like that around you, then you're all in your own head all the time.
And what social circles are you interacting with online?
Maybe you're interacting with a bunch of people who are also shut-ins who are terrified of going outside.
Is it even worth being alive if you're— But the thing is about, if someone is isolated and depressed, it's just the same thing as trying to get to the gym.
And then they're ashamed because that's like depression.
That's a big part of it is just fucking shame.
You feel so ashamed of yourself.
You feel like such a fucking failure and such a loser.
And the depression is like, yeah, you are.
You're awful.
Then suicidal ideation starts and then you normalize that and then the next thing you know you're planning and then you kill yourself.
It's such a sickness and it's fucked up to think that it's so prevalent.
More prevalent right now probably than we know because generally when people are depressed they don't tell anybody because it tells you not to tell anybody.
You don't want to tell anyone because you feel weak.
So we were at one of these press things where the actors meet with the press people and Dave got super hostile with this reporter and the guy was trying to talk to him with a little tape recorder and Dave took his tape recorder away and dunked it in his drink.
And Dave was like getting really angry with him and no one could figure out what was going on.
And I had to like corner him.
I had to like stop him from like physically going after a reporter.
Dude, I can't believe they're still giving it to people.
Dave Foley is the sweetest guy who's ever lived.
Like, this is...
It's called The Answer to the Question is Me.
It's the book.
But this...
In the book he talks about so many people have been wrecked by this shit.
And the way it was manufactured and stuff, and I guess it's like when you put a kink in a garden hose, you're basically doing that with your dendrites.
You're clogging up all your neuroreceptors and then all of a sudden sometimes it just rushes out and then you're blasted.
The FDA approved use for treating and preventing malaria in 1989, but in the 1990s, stories began to surface regarding some serious side effects among patients who took mefloquine.
Yeah, this is the stuff that Justin Wren took, right?
Including vivid dreams and nightmares, hallucinations, mania, seizures, depression, suicidal thoughts, and suicide and homicide!
Maybe it's the way they're metabolizing it or something.
I don't know.
But it's irrelevant to...
Because, you know, my theory on it, my woo-woo theory on it was, oh, the reason it's like treating depression is because it's reminding you that you're not your body.
It's reminding you that your body is just an aspect of what you are.
And there's some relief from that memory of like, oh, yeah, I'm not just me.
There's much more going on here than just me.
And then you're not depressed anymore.
But no, that isn't it at all.
It's having some physiological effect on the human brain that is treating depression.
So it's not like a wisdom that comes from the visionary state.
That's the other aspect of depression is you literally feel heavy.
Your bed feels like a magnet.
You're getting drawn into this invisible gravity of despair and that gravity, the more you let it grab you, The more entropic you become, the weaker you become.
It's just pulling you.
It's literally pulling you into the earth.
It's pulling you down into the earth.
It's so fucked up.
Dude, I thought I had seasonal affective disorder, which is where in the winter you get depressed.
But I'm thinking of seasonal affective disorder, maybe some undiagnosed mania.
I guess this is just, oh, I'm in one of those moods again.
Now that I've been taking my fucking blood sugar...
I know at this level this is what I feel like and I can tell when it's up just by like how I start feeling and so yeah the vaping story I keep thinking of Tony Hinchcliffe relentlessly roasting me for ear beating people about my diabetes I don't want to do it much longer he's so I love it when he starts fucking tell us more about your diabetes but yeah so yeah I am I went on a family trip where
I was vaping much less than I do, and suddenly my blood sugar starts leveling out.
I would wake up, which is the important number when you wake up, your fasting blood sugar would be non-diabetic normal.
Get back to Austin.
And then, because I'm in my studio, I start vaping like an idiot again.
And all of a sudden, the blood sugar starts getting fucking weird.
And, you know, I'm thinking, like, what did I eat?
Like, what if I put my body, because I've just cut out all sugar.
Elfbar's CEO, Victor Zhao, expressed his concern, stating, consumers would be, oh, condition under which these products are produced.
I don't remember what it said.
It's a valid concern.
These revelations coincide With the Food and Drug Administration's struggles to control unauthorized flavor vaping products, pouring in from China, health authorities have raised alarms about the flavor disposable vapes, especially due to their popularity amongst young people.
In June, the FDA took the decisive action.
This sounds like propaganda.
Compelling all 180 stores across the U.S. See, maybe they paid people to do this just so they could put that video out there on TikTok and try to ban vapes.
I guess the fucking R.J. Reynolds is losing money.
I don't mean to keep harping on this dumb idea that I just had this morning.
It's like, it's these gravitational fields, right?
And, like, inevitably you become sucked in to this thing or that.
And it produces astounding imbalance in your life.
But the imbalance...
You can trick yourself into pretending the imbalance isn't really there.
And that's...
Addicts were very good at that so you it's denial or whatever your ignorance so you ignore the imbalance you ignore like you don't check in with your body or you assume that your shitty feeling is normal you normalize the day-to-day shit feeling and then to begin to like pull things out of your environment and see how you feel when they're gone is It's very hard to do because you're glued to the damn thing.
It's a pacifier, whatever it may be.
I'm lucky, man, because without diabetes, I'm a dad.
I think with augmented reality, if there was a way to visualize it, if you could see a vape anaconda that had wrapped itself around you that was slowly tightening and tightening and tightening.
Having these weights that we were sort of karmically, when you start like waking up or whatever you want to call it or wanting a better life, the first thing you notice is like where you're stuck, where you're trapped.
And then Every time you just lift that up just a little bit, fuck, you get this sense of something.
What you're feeling is freedom.
It's like you've been in a dark room and a window opens up for a second and you get this little glimpse of light.
And then you start like...
Freeing yourself here and there, a little bit here and there, here and there.
And then all of a sudden, you're in a different universe.
It's a different reality.
And I think that maybe that's built in to the thing that we're in right now is that...
You're supposed to have some encumbrance.
You're supposed to have some stupid shit you're doing repetitively that's hurting you, not because the universe is evil, but because it's there to teach you.
This is where it gets really deep, is because, like, the There's like the human reality or relative reality, which is everything going on in your life.
And some of the things going on in your life, you're doing to your fucking self.
You're an alcoholic, you're addicted to meth, whatever the fuck your current thing happens to be.
Some of the things going on in life, you're not doing to yourself.
You're in some shitty part of the world.
You're experiencing some tragedy in your family.
You're not doing that to yourself.
Right.
This is just one part of the story.
The other part of the story is for the self to even exist, you have to have this awareness or consciousness or emptiness is what they call it in Buddhism.
For any of this shit to be here, there has to be space around it.
So you're also the space too.
You're not just the stuff.
And so when shit's going wrong, you get sucked into the You're fixating and differentiating.
This is good.
This is bad.
To try to protect yourself, you lose track of the other side of things, which is this infinite...
Transcendent perfect field of awareness and that is not touched by the world so even in the worst of conditions if you can remember that part of you and not just the part of you that is in undergoing God knows what kind of suffering then suddenly there's a way to manage The situation without being so reactive anymore.
That's the thing people forget, is that other side.
It's easy to forget.
In the old days, the only way I found it was through high doses of LSD, where suddenly you're no longer encumbered by your thoughts.
You're no longer fixating on the human incarnation.
You know?
And then suddenly you're like, you remember.
It feels like you're remembering.
It's not like you have been implanted with something.
But if you get too caught up in that one, like if you get too caught up in Earthrealm shit, you become neurotic, fixated, paranoid, freaked out, angry, insecure, lost in a desire for people to see you as something that you're probably not.
If you get too caught up in the other side, though, then you, like...
Detach from the world.
And then another kind of imbalance happens.
That's called eternalism or absolutism.
And now you aren't, you know, in the class anymore.
Now you're like being all aloof and shit.
Like that dude in Breakfast Club.
Remember that annoying guy in Breakfast Club with the trench coat?
And, you know, I would never be able to guess because I would have never guessed...
I would have never believed that you would have a cell phone on you all the time that allows you to communicate with people and take pictures and videos.
I would have never thought that was going to happen.
You told me in like 98 that like a Motorola StarTech, like those little shitty phones with the antenna that pulled out, and you remember those?
They had a replaceable battery in the back.
Have you told me that within 20 years, Because it's really all it was.
You would be watching video on that and making video and FaceTiming people and getting Wi-Fi on it.
Anywhere you go, you're connected to the internet with high speed, watching movies and viewing all kinds of websites.
You'd get all your information from that.
You would get all your social interaction from that.
Yeah, 20 years from now, I'll be like, if you told me 20 years ago that I could disassemble myself at the molecular level and transform into anything I wanted instantaneously, I would have been like, that's insane.
There's no way I'm going to be stuck in this form forever.
It could be Kurzweil.
That's...
That Kurzweil, that's one of his predictions.
Nanobots transforming our DNA at the molecular level.
It's like we are so about to have a midlife crisis as our species because we have really become convinced regarding what identity is even though we We don't know.
Which is why AI is so hilarious.
Because people are like, that thing isn't self-aware.
It's not sentient.
It's like, are you?
Have you thought about whether you even are?
Like, how do we even identify consciousness at all?
Quantify it.
We don't know how to do it.
The very thing that makes us what we are.
We have no way.
Of really understanding what it is, how it works.
There's theories of consciousness.
No one fucking knows.
And so this is what we're slamming into now.
And then the moment you can inject yourself or take some medicine or go to some like robot doctor and be like, hey, you know, for the next couple of weeks, I want to experience life as a Filipino.
And so you take some shit that transforms you into whatever ethnicity, gender, maybe animal that you want.
Now what are we going to do about that?
What if I just want to experience life as a Native American?
And the root of it, I think, is a general insecurity in most humans because most people at some level understand You're not really what you say you are.
You're not really your body.
You're not really some constant identity.
You change all the fucking time.
You might work really hard to maintain some stable, this is me thing, but you know that's not really what you are, who you are.
And I think this is, for a lot of people, this is unpalatable.
And so, yeah, man, I think we're about to smash into the most hilarious Era in human history.
Arguments over the human's right to become anything they want.
Dude, it's gonna be a sad day for all the body mod people because it's like, fuck dude, you did this like relatively like primitive savage fucking therapy and just right around the corner Most of our patients are able to run just like before after they've fully recovered from the height and crease surgery.
But it's important to know that everyone's journey is a bit different.
In the beginning, you might find your endurance isn't what it used to be, of course, or you might run a bit slower, or even notice your walking style has changed a bit.
Well, I'm just worried about these people's, the long-term consequences of this.
I'm not worried about, like, if there was a way they could do it and just do it, I mean, I'm just thinking, how many success stories, like, what is the long-term history of this?
Like, how many people have done this?
Like, what is it, what's the effect on your hips long-term?
I think that's what all of our cultural struggles, all of our struggles over resources, they're all the battle that keeps us moving against it to further and progress the human race.
All the outrage about...
Those professors that weren't capable of saying that calling for the death of the Jews is hate speech or is harassment.
All that is there to get people outraged enough that they realize, oh my god, this is insanity.
We have to change the way we think.
This is fucking insanity that this discussion is actually being had in 2023. But if it was subtle enough that it didn't freak you the fuck out, it wouldn't be good enough for change.
Dude, it's like, first though, you gotta get a taste of it.
Like, you know, it's the saddest video.
I hate it.
You ever see that video of the polar bear when it snows?
He's in a zoo, and now it's snowed and the polar bear's rolling around in the fucking snow.
Finally, everything makes sense to the polar bear.
It's designed for snow.
There's snow.
It's been in this snow-free environment.
So if we're the universe and simultaneously singular individuals, then...
We're made to be much more than we are.
And if you're all squashed into your fucking body, the moment you just get any kind of respite from that, you remember, you're gonna be nicer to people.
Like, if I'm living, if you and me are living, we're But if you and me are living in a bachelor pad, how long before you start fighting, man?
How long before you start irritating the shit out of each other?
Reality where you've become convinced that you are all you are, your body is only you, then naturally you're gonna panic, naturally you're gonna feel claustrophobic, naturally you're gonna be a dick.
So if suddenly you had a realization that no, you're everything, you're more than that.
The next thing spontaneously that will emerge from you is kindness.
Compassion.
It might not be like you might not become the sweetest person on earth, but shit people say to you is not gonna hit as hard.
Because like if you were in a dream where somebody was insulting you in the worst way possible and you thought it was real, you're getting your feelings hurt over and over again in the dream.
And then you remember, oh, I'm gonna wake up.
This is just a dream.
That insulting thing isn't gonna hurt as much.
It's not gonna hit you as hard.
You're not gonna take it personally.
So this is...
You're totally right.
It's like the moment people start remembering what we are, everything will shift.
Everything will change.
Everything does change.
Because everyone's fucking and suffering so much.
You know, these fucking professors, whoever the fuck it is, whoever's...
It's so normal for people, whether it's in academia or just in many jobs, to be on SSRIs, to be on anti-anxiety medication, to be on mood stabilizers, to be on this or that, Adderall, and I have ADHD, turns out, just need a little bit of Adderall.
How many of these people, they're not even capable Of stepping off whatever path they're on to rationally or objectively assess whether or not the way they think makes any sense at all.
They're on a runaway train.
Just wee down the tracks.
And they're running major educational institutions.
Anytime you are in the world, you're around people who are sleepwalking.
That's just part of it because part of being in the world is you sleepwalk at first because you're waking up from infinity.
You're like a fucking baby coming out of infinity.
So you're sleepwalking at first, you get culturally conditioned, you get programmed, and then somewhere along the way, Maybe you start realizing, wait, this isn't me.
I don't have to be like this.
By the way, so I can get it off my fucking mind, can I pitch my book?
I know you know this experience because you're so generous and you give.
But if you're not giving, if you get too caught up in serving yourself, if you get too compressed in the identity, you start defending, you start...
Trying to, like, always placate yourself.
But the moment that you start helping...
The moment you sort of expand your idea of who you are...
Beyond your body, then at least in my experience as a professional, selfish person, suddenly you feel this liberation.
It's the most incredible thing.
And so this is just like we just talk about all the stuff at these Ram Dass retreats that I go to and all of the like sort of mystical teachings that have emerged from all over the world that sort of point in the direction of how to sort of get the fuck out of this movie that you're in where you're the main character and.
You're the main fucking character.
It's a shitty fucking movie.
You don't even want to be in the role!
It's this guy, Krishnadas, came up with an idea, which is you wake up in the fucking morning, you're the main actor in a fucking shitty goddamn movie, and you're not just acting in the movie, directing the fucking shitty movie, then you're writing reviews about how much the movie sucks.
That's the movie of me.
And so the moment you sort of step outside yourself and realize, we're sharing the stage here together, or even better, We're the same consciousness that's gotten confused by the proximity of our bodies.
Then the movie changes.
Instead of being Evil Dead 2, it becomes some, I don't know, whatever you want it to be, rom-com, porn.
There's a mystery that some people have solved and they've solved it like Temporarily sometimes and sometimes they fall back to the old way of thinking But the mystery can be solved while you're alive on earth that at least for moments for brief moments the universe reveals That there's this inescapable connection of all people,
of all events, of all life, of all thought, of all love, of all hate, of all...
All of it is in this insane cycle of giving and receiving and energy going back and forth.
And we look at it in terms of cultural conflicts.
We look at it in terms of pollution.
We look at all these different things, but what's really going on is this fucking insane connectivity that it's very difficult to be aware of as a biological organism with an imperative to stay alive.
That's literally burned into your DNA because your being...
Is the product of millions of years of things clawing and scratching to get to this point and we're still so burdened by our origins That we could we can't we can't abandon war we can't abandon the one thing that scares the fuck out of us more than anything in life and Should the one thing that's killed more innocent people than anything ever and we can't even imagine a world without it Yeah, man.
That's the wildest thing about being a person.
The one thing that everyone would agree.
Think of all the horrible things that happened in that October 7th event, right?
Oh, the slaughter of the women and the children, the rape and the horrible shit.
We can barely imagine a world where that doesn't take place sometimes.
And in war, that's the kind of thing that takes place.
And we can't imagine not having that.
Like, we would never do that.
We're just people.
Most people listening to this would never paraglide into a fucking rave and start gunning kids down, right?
Most people listening could never even imagine doing that.
But we also can't imagine a world where that doesn't take place.
We spend more money preparing constantly and spending money on the thing that protects us from all the bad people in the world than anything else we do by far.
That thing that now that literally is why we became human, if that thing somehow or another became a Schedule I substance in this corrupt, fucked up culture, we could get locked in jail for the very thing that turned us into people.
Because you could just tell people, don't eat that thing that makes you remember your god and that you should love everyone around you and that you're part of a holy mystical...
Extantiation of consciousness into time-space because it's bad.
And we're all like, okay, all right, if you say not to, I guess we can't.
But don't you think they don't know, which is part of the problem, because if you really did know, if you had really taken it, you would never want to stop people from taking it.
So I don't think any of them have done it, which should be a prerequisite.
I don't know.
Graham Hancock has said – I think he had a crazy number.
He said you should have no fewer than 20 ayahuasca or psilocybin experiences if you want to be president.
Maybe he does the five sessions and be like, I'm changing the course of my life.
Like, what am I doing?
Yeah.
That sounds nuts, but if we're a healthy society, we would legitimately consider whether or not someone should have some very powerful documented psychedelic sessions that we know at a dose to be a transformative experience and have multiple ones of those documented if you want to run things.
And you should probably have to keep up with it, too.
You should probably have to do it every six months.
From Mother God to mummified corpse inside the fringe spiritual sect, love has won.
Amy Carlson was supposed to be the incarnate of Marilyn Monroe, Joan of Arc, and Jesus Christ.
Man, that's ambitious.
When she shed her earthly body for the latest time, authorities found her followers still worshiping it, shedding light on the group many have called a cult.
For the rest of your life by the US government like so this it's a similar fucking thing like you're you're like even if you have the best intention By the time you get in there and you have to start making these rotten decisions and you have to feel the hate of At least half the country every fucking day the psychic hate of half the country probably more than half of the world it crushes you it kills you so it's a It's a really
dangerous, shitty, rotten job that you trapped yourself in and then you don't want to leave because what are you gonna do after you've experienced that level of power?
In another of the candid and sometimes coarse conversations released today, the president muses about anti-Semitism.
He's talking to evangelist Billy Graham and worries about reaction to the Washington visit of Israeli Prime Minister Golda Meir because Israel has just shot down a Libyan passenger plane.
Yeah, I mean, why wouldn't they just abandon that fucking thing?
If you're the Illuminati, if the Illuminati's real, why would you stick with a place that's already been, like, outed when you can get some dope spot in Wyoming or something?
There's a military base near there that wanted to fuck with Burning Man, and they flew over Burning Man a few times just to blow everyone's mind and freak everyone out.
Your idea about what it is is correct, like, for a piece of the pie, but you really can't know all of what it is other than, like, this incredible expression of art and an incredible, like, temporary example of, like, humans can do this too.
We don't have to blow shit up.
We can drive around in garish, Fancy art cars dressed like weirdos with like playing like awesome music and like just have fun together like that is possible too and the fact that it's hard to get there and a difficult terrain definitely helps strain some people out so the people who come there really fascinating I mean I'm telling you man it's like the force field where people like that's where douchebags go or that's where annoying ass fucking hippies
go yes You're correct.
They're there.
But that's not all that's there.
And so it's a mystical place.
It's one of those mystical things I ever encountered.
Well, that's probably what's going to have to happen somewhere, just like the United States of America.
The United States of America is only three people old.
If you just stop and think about what these people decide to do to escape the confines of a society that they found themselves trapped in, And all the tyranny.
They escaped, and they came to a new land, started new, and there's a lot of, you know, not a happy story in all forms.
A lot of fucked up things went down.
But the idea that that can never happen again seems kind of silly.
Like, it's happened so many times.
I mean, it wouldn't be an easy thing to do, and people are definitely going to resist.
That's the thing that you have to be really aware of.
If you tried to start another country right now, The country you're from would come and fuck with you.
They do not want you doing that.
Like, if we just, like, imagine.
What if the climate change people are right and everybody looked at Greenland going, I think they're Greenland pretty fucking cheap.
It's like the rest of the world is a little too hot but Greenland's perfect.
And then the people that escape what's wrong with how the United States has been run what's wrong with money and politics What's wrong with money in the pharmaceutical industrial complex being able to advertise and control politicians and all the shit that you saw over the last few years and all the shit you see with war, all the shit you see right now if someone started a new one?
I mean I know that's like such new-age bullshit to say but like theoretically if there was some shift in consciousness then maybe there would be a You would really have to have like a complete shift in like value and then if that happened you could see some new Way of running things.
And the only way to get a hold of it in California was you have to have a medical license.
So we used to get medical licenses to get it.
And the idea of psychedelics at all being accepted in any positive way was alien.
You never heard about PTSD being treated like MAPS. They hadn't done their studies yet with MDMA. They hadn't done the psilocybin studies.
You hadn't heard about Ibogaine for helping people get off opiates.
Opiates weren't even a problem then, right?
There was not a thing that people were talking about.
To go from that to where we are now where there's states that have decriminalized it and then it was up for – there was a proposal for California but Newsom rejected it because they didn't have like a protocol in place.
So come back when you have like some sort of a – if you're going to use it for therapy, some sort of a therapeutic protocol which – Probably makes sense.
Not just decriminalizing it, but decriminalizing it and setting boundaries for use.
This is how you should do it.
If you weigh 150 pounds, this is what you need.
I guess it's not even weight dependent, apparently.
I mean, look, you know, again, it's like this is the other thing is like if you judge a tree by its fruit, I love what you're pointing out there.
If you look at the fact that this is happening, the implication is there are people in positions of power Recognizing that there's just no fucking way we're gonna legalize acid and mushrooms and MDMA, you fucking hippies.
We're not doing it overnight.
Give us some time.
There's people who clearly recognize that and are slowly turning the dial and shifting into whatever the future of humanity looks like where we're not encumbered by draconian Consciousness limitations.
So yeah, you know, the implications is people in positions of power who are 100% for humans having access to their birthright.
Bad guys and good guys and fucking bang, bang, bang, bang.
And the way one group of people looks at one thing versus the way another group of people...
Both seem kind of like rational.
How?
How are you guys so far apart in your ideas?
How are we so divided about so many unimportant things when the important things are not being resolved?
Like, none of the important...
Like, if you really wanted to control...
People you would want to keep them doing what we're doing just Constantly arguing about the dumbest shit The things that we can't and having very little understanding of what you're really fucking passionate about, right?
Yeah, I mean yeah you want to and also you want to make them feel completely impotent and completely Out of control and helpless.
And the only way you can do that is by, again and again, make them think that they are a limited, temporary, organic body, that when it dies, it's dead forever.
Make them feel like this is all there is, so you better fucking go for it.
And going for it means grinding.
And hurting other people to get your fucking whatever it is you're looking for, because that's all you got anyway, man.
So if you keep the fixation on that paradigm, then yeah, you can probably control a shit ton of people.
Once people feel empowered and protected legally, you are going to have schools, universities, and colleges are going to say, you want to come to this college, buddy?
I mean, that collision between profit and medicine, it's such a dark place.
It's so dark when you're at the hospital and you realize they have a motive to keep you here.
Like the doctors, they've done their oath, they might not, but the hospital itself Can implement certain rules and regulations that have a higher probability of keeping you in there longer so that it's more expensive.
And that's where it gets fucking weird.
And when it comes to pharmaceutical companies or anything that's profiting off of sickness, it's like...
I don't know if there's a, what do you call the sugar industry?
And the pharmaceutical companies, these are like happy bedfellows because one is poison, the other fixes the damage from the poison.
And so when suddenly there's a profit motive behind it, ooh, shit's gonna get weird because the lobbyists for the pharmaceutical companies theoretically would not want regulation On weird dyes and shit that big sugar's putting in stuff because that is gonna reduce the profit for whatever medication they use to treat the damage from the fucking dyes.
If it was diet, if all of a sudden some new food was introduced into the food system that we never ate before, but then all of a sudden there was a corresponding big uptick in all-cause mortality, People would start thinking, like, I wonder if it's this new thing that just got introduced.
That's not outside the realm of possibility if some guy got arrested and went to jail for shitposting a meme about Hillary Clinton about the voting thing.
Yeah, I remember being at a Pink Floyd laser light show when I was in high school.
And it was the saddest thing, man, because another brick in the wall, we don't need no education, comes on at a laser light show, which is already depressing because it's definitely not Pink Floyd and it wasn't even that good a laser light show.
And there's a security guard.
He's probably in his 20s.
It's a shit job.
He's got to be the security guard at the laser light show.
I was watching a video today of a guy telling a guy not to reach for his gun.
He's got some guy pulled over and he's like, do not reach into your band.
Don't reach for that gun.
Don't reach for your fucking gun.
And the guy's like standing there with his hands like this and he just goes in and boom, the guy's got to shoot him.
And this dude just reaches for his gun.
And then there was another one where they didn't realize this guy had a gun and he shot one of the cops and the other cop unloaded on him like, fuck, man.
Like, every time they pull someone over, this is like some regular-looking dude, too.
He didn't even look like a criminal.
He looked like a handsome young guy.
And then he just had a gun.
He didn't look like a homeless person.
He didn't look like an ex-con.
He just looked like a regular guy.
And they pull them over, and it took them by surprise.
Guy just pulls a gun out, starts shooting.
Like, they never know when someone's a full-on psycho.
You're pulling people over, and you're a cop, and the lights are on.
You got them in that pressure situation.
Maybe they have warrants.
Maybe they did something horrible just now, and you didn't even know.
You just pulled them over, luckily.
They're just shooting at you.
Jesus!
So they have that fear every fucking time they pull someone over.
I can't remember the name of it, but when you get pulled over and you're about to get popped, you just start the fucking app because it tells you what to do so that you don't have to infuriate the fucking cop.
It's just exactly what you say, which is basically like, I'm going to need a lawyer.
Am I under arrest?
Like all this stuff, but not so you don't have to like remember all this shit.
And so what, because what that does is if you do get busted, if you do this just the right way, then you have a higher chance of whatever the fuck you did being sort of dismissed.