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Joe Rogan Experience #2077 - Tim Dillon
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joe rogan
Let's go, Tim Dillon.
tim dillon
How are you, sir?
joe rogan
I'm good now, looking at that coach.
tim dillon
Thank you for having me.
It's Raccoon.
I went to a furrier in New York and two little old Jewish guys, and they go, we don't have anything in your size, like sable or chinchilla or any of the high end.
But then one of the little guys goes, we may have a raccoon in the back.
And he came out with this, and this is a raccoon, but he was explaining it's from Finland.
Like, these raccoons are Finnish.
joe rogan
Is that the actual color of their fur, or did they dye that?
It's almost like a grizzly hair.
tim dillon
I think the raccoons in Finland have different colors, perhaps.
joe rogan
Let's Google that.
What does a raccoon look like in Finland?
Is that a different animal?
What do they call them?
They call them dumpster dogs or something like that?
tim dillon
Trash pandas.
joe rogan
Trash pandas, that's it.
tim dillon
You know?
And listen, I like a raccoon too, but I also like fur.
I think people should be allowed to wear fur.
joe rogan
Well, it is weird that you're allowed to kill animals and eat them.
jamie vernon
Why do they call it a raccoon dog?
tim dillon
Oh, so it is kind of similar to the code I have.
jamie vernon
I typed in fill in raccoon and it just keeps saying raccoon dog.
joe rogan
Raccoon dog.
tim dillon
See, in Finland they seem to be more tan.
joe rogan
Yeah, that looks like your coat.
tim dillon
Yeah.
joe rogan
That doesn't look like a raccoon.
Like, if I saw that, I wouldn't say that's a raccoon.
I'd be like, what is that?
tim dillon
Yeah, I don't know what it is.
joe rogan
It's kind of got a raccoon-y face.
Like, scroll back up to those images.
Like, that picture up there, that's a raccoon-y face.
This cute creature.
That's a raccoon-y face.
But the color of it, I'd be like, what is that?
jamie vernon
That one looks a little weird.
joe rogan
That's weird.
Yeah.
So they call him a raccoon dog?
jamie vernon
I just typed in.
joe rogan
Bro, you got a dog coat on.
That's rough.
tim dillon
I knew it.
I think I got taken advantage of.
This was it.
They kind of looked at each other a few times.
And this one didn't even have the liner in.
They put the liner in.
It's a very cheap liner.
They put the liner in.
I just went in because I was curious about...
I don't understand it.
I get curious about different things.
So these furriers in New York City, a lot of them will kick you out.
If you don't have an appointment.
So one of them just said, we can't deal with you.
If you don't have an appointment, go.
But then these two guys were nice enough to talk to me a little bit and I was just asking questions.
I'm like, what's the deal?
They're like, well, Sable is like the top thing.
And then they're like, obviously Mink and Chinchilla and Fox.
joe rogan
Could they make you a custom one?
Of course.
So you'd have to order it.
tim dillon
They could absolutely make a custom one, but I wanted something fun to come on here with.
So I said, I don't really even want one of these.
So I just want to do like an impulse buy.
Just give me something to buy.
I don't want to think about this.
joe rogan
And you got the raccoon.
tim dillon
And then the guy goes, we have a raccoon.
I don't know what it is.
It could be a costume.
joe rogan
That might have been what the Patterson guy wore in the Bigfoot footage.
tim dillon
Yeah, I have no idea what it is, but it is a fun, and it's got that hood.
It's got a hood like if you were a rapper.
Or something like this.
joe rogan
Do you know Bill Blumenwright from Boston?
unidentified
Of course.
joe rogan
Yeah.
Bill had a mink coat once.
unidentified
Yeah.
joe rogan
And he let me try it on.
I'm like, let me try that on.
unidentified
Yeah, yeah, yeah.
joe rogan
And I was like, oh my god, it's so warm.
tim dillon
It's amazing.
joe rogan
There's a reason why people like them.
tim dillon
But people get real mad.
joe rogan
Oh yeah, they don't like it.
But it's also weird, like...
You're allowed to wear leather.
tim dillon
Right.
joe rogan
Like, what is leather?
Leather is everywhere.
Everybody wears leather.
tim dillon
It's in cars.
joe rogan
Leather is just the fur removed.
That's all it is.
Right.
tim dillon
Crocodile scales.
joe rogan
There's a company called Origin, and one of the elk that I shot, we took the hide and had the hide shipped to them, and they're gonna turn it into boots.
It's good use of leather.
unidentified
Of course.
joe rogan
But that's normal.
Nobody gets freaked out if they see you with leather boots on.
Well, wasn't this the entire...
tim dillon
I mean, you know more than me, but the Native Americans who respected the animals and the environment, it was all about utilizing every part of the animal.
joe rogan
Yeah, they used everything they could.
And they lived in harmony with them.
Especially...
Some of these Native American tribes had these relationships where they were migratory with the animals.
unidentified
Right.
joe rogan
Like Buffalo and the Comanche.
They followed them around, man.
And they used all their blankets, all sorts of things.
Yeah.
Their teepees, everything.
tim dillon
So to me, I don't understand where it became so controversial.
joe rogan
Because it's...
Really rich people flaunting that they can go have someone murder a mink for them.
unidentified
Right.
joe rogan
You're wearing this thing and you've got all these diamonds and you're walking and fabulous.
It's imbalanced.
unidentified
Right.
joe rogan
It's grossly imbalanced.
tim dillon
To a degree.
joe rogan
You're a rapper with like hundreds in your hands.
You're throwing them out to the ground.
tim dillon
Sure, but somehow I look balanced with nature in this in an odd way.
I don't, you know.
I don't even feel like I look rich in this.
I look a little crazy.
I look like a guy on the brink of something and not a good thing.
joe rogan
It depends on what you like.
That's a fun guy.
My initial reaction when I saw you, I was like, this is awesome.
tim dillon
It's interesting because it does seem to me, I understand that people are morally against it, but when you start like I don't know, throwing paint on people, right?
joe rogan
It's kind of crazy.
tim dillon
Red paint.
I was in Beverly Hills once.
They had like outside of a store, they were like chanting and they were trying to intimidate people walking in the store.
It just feels silly.
joe rogan
I had a girl tell me once, she was upset at the comedy store, that I had fur, I had a hoodie with fur around the edges of it.
And she just like out of nowhere.
I wasn't even talking to her.
She's like, something shitty about the fur.
I go, it's fake.
I go, it's fake fur.
It's a fucking hoodie.
And she goes, I don't like what it represents.
tim dillon
What is wrong with these people?
joe rogan
This was a long time ago, by the way.
This is not like famous me.
But I was like, this is such a crazy conversation.
Like, it's fake fur.
tim dillon
I don't understand.
I understand people that are ethical vegans who say, I don't want...
Any type of animal product ever?
Okay.
I disagree with that, and I think a lot of people on Earth would disagree with that.
I think the human race would starve pretty quickly if we couldn't eat any animal product.
joe rogan
Yeah, that wouldn't work out well.
It is also very complicated because the relationship that we used to have with animals, like the animal relationship that you're talking about with the Native Americans, where they had this tribal relationship where they followed these herds around and hunted them expertly.
That is so different than going to Jack in the Box.
tim dillon
That's true.
joe rogan
And that's what most of what our meat is coming from, this weird subversion of like the natural way of getting food.
tim dillon
The factory farming.
joe rogan
There's never been a time ever where in human history where people have stuffed so many fucking animals into warehouses and just beheaded them.
tim dillon
But because our population has never been greater.
unidentified
Right.
tim dillon
It's never been bigger.
We've never had more of a burden to feed people.
unidentified
Right.
tim dillon
And it's unfortunate the way that it happens.
I mean, we've all seen the footage of the chickens that don't get to walk around.
That's not good.
joe rogan
Not good.
Also, I think that up until fairly recently, like fairly recently, like within the last couple hundred years, it was unheard of to not grow your own food.
unidentified
Right.
joe rogan
I think everybody sort of knew that you had to grow some of your own food or hunt some of your own food.
tim dillon
Well, that's so hard now because how do you do that in Arizona?
joe rogan
You don't.
unidentified
Right?
tim dillon
Like if you live in the desert.
joe rogan
What kind of water rights do you have?
unidentified
Right?
tim dillon
Or if you're in Minnesota and it's freezing.
joe rogan
Right.
tim dillon
So it's just, it becomes difficult to live that, I'm sure that's the ideal way to live.
But the modern world, it's very hard.
People don't have any time.
joe rogan
No.
tim dillon
You know?
joe rogan
No, it's hard.
And, you know, imagine what it was like before they had trucks.
Imagine, like, living in Manhattan in January in 1700, and you can't get an apple.
tim dillon
It's insane.
joe rogan
Like, there's no fruit.
You're not getting any fruit.
You're not getting any vegetables.
tim dillon
Well, what's funny is, like, there's a show on HBO called The Gilded Age, and it's about all these really, you know, like, the robber barons, like the industrialists.
And, like, they all had these massive staffs.
Of people that would just make them dinners every night.
It was crazy.
They had entire staffs of usually Irish chefs and cooks and waiters and everything just to facilitate the meal, the daily meal.
It was very royal and regal and they would have people just there cooking for them and Making their food.
It's interesting to watch.
joe rogan
The haves and the have-nots back then.
tim dillon
Back then it was wild.
People say it's wild now, and it is wild now, because a lot of the haves now can take a spaceship and take a blunt drive around the globe.
That's wild.
joe rogan
How much carbon does that burn off into the atmosphere?
tim dillon
I don't know.
joe rogan
I mean, if you want to talk about some of the most ridiculous excesses of carbon use...
unidentified
Yeah, it's shooting rich people into orbit.
tim dillon
That's so nuts.
joe rogan
That must be so much gas.
tim dillon
It's so nuts.
But like anything else, right, they'll say, well, it's good for, I guess, the...
It incentivizes people to care about space exploration.
joe rogan
Right.
tim dillon
Because they're going to pay a lot of money to go up there, and that money's going to get utilized to discover more things.
You know, who knows if that's...
joe rogan
It's a weird argument.
tim dillon
Yeah.
joe rogan
Because, like, I feel like...
I mean, look, I'm happy that they're exploring space, but I feel like maybe someone should sit down and go, until you guys figure out a better way to get off the fucking ground.
tim dillon
Yeah.
Let's just chill.
joe rogan
How are we saying no one should burn carbon fuel?
How are we saying that you can't have gas-powered cars in California after 2035?
unidentified
Yeah.
joe rogan
How are we saying that while we're shooting off these giant fucking metal tubes of...
Jet fuel.
It's literally burning in the sky.
tim dillon
I think that's the reward when you have a billion dollars.
You want to think you can leave.
That seems to be the reward.
It's these guys going like, we don't have it quite figured out yet, but they're like, God, it might be nice if I could leave.
joe rogan
Oh my god, it would be hell.
tim dillon
You know?
It would be tough.
joe rogan
It would be so stupid.
The first person that leaves...
They're gonna fall into...
There's a trap.
And here's the trap.
Just because something's hard to do, doesn't mean it's good to do.
tim dillon
Right.
joe rogan
And you could say, it's gonna be so difficult for us to get to Mars.
Right.
tim dillon
Right.
joe rogan
Also, so difficult for someone to fucking save you.
tim dillon
For a reason.
unidentified
Yeah.
joe rogan
That's not a good place to go.
tim dillon
No.
joe rogan
We have spots in Earth that suck.
Go visit those so they can get you out by helicopter if you're lucky.
tim dillon
These people want, I think there's that fantasy of like seeding other planets with biological DNA, carrying on the human race, the idea that the earth might be past a tipping point, maybe.
joe rogan
I think we have to realize that time does not give a fuck.
About the human race.
Time doesn't care.
If we got hit by an asteroid and this whole planet got knocked back down into the Jurassic period again, that totally could happen.
It's happened before.
It's the reason why we're here in the first place, supposedly, right?
The Yucatan impact.
If that happens again, time doesn't care.
tim dillon
Time doesn't care.
We care.
Can we do anything to the asteroid now that we're more advanced?
joe rogan
They are slowly but surely being able to recognize where they...
The real problem, supposedly, I believe, is ones that come from too near the sun.
The problem is the gravity of the Sun.
I'm sure I'm fucking this up.
I'm sorry.
I think the gravity of the Sun, the mass of the Sun is so immense that it's difficult to see objects that are behind it coming towards us.
So if something's passing the Sun and going towards us, we might not see it until it's too late to do anything about it.
And then even if we do see it, there's only a few different methods that they've devised that seem to like...
One of them is you like hit it with a surface.
Like, something lands on it.
And this changing of the aerodynamics of it, like, changes its trajectory in some way.
And another one is breaking it up.
The breaking it up one scares people, though, because they're like, well, what if you break it up into many pieces that just go to a bunch of different spots on Earth, and it has the same impact, just not in one spot.
tim dillon
Right.
joe rogan
Like, you might actually, maybe it would have landed in the ocean, and most people would survive.
tim dillon
It's amazing that nothing we haven't had a...
You might know more than I do, but we haven't had a really destructive asteroid impact in a long time.
joe rogan
It's a timeline thing, dude.
Right.
Our timeline is our lifetime, and it's so long for a person, and it's so nothing for space.
unidentified
Right.
joe rogan
It's so nothing.
It literally is nothing.
tim dillon
Right.
joe rogan
Our timeline is 100 years for a human timeline.
The Earth is 4 point whatever billion years old.
The universe...
There's all these arguments now.
The universe is even older than 13.7 billion years ago.
I'm not really smart enough to understand it.
It's something about the forming of the galaxies.
Like, they seem to form quicker.
That wouldn't be possible if the universe was only 13.7 billion years.
But Brian Keating doesn't agree with it, so maybe he's right.
I don't know who's right.
unidentified
But it's either way.
joe rogan
We're a hundred years of nothing.
tim dillon
It's so quick.
joe rogan
And if we get hit with an asteroid and then everything starts and it's another 65 million years from now until a new form of intelligent life arises, the universe doesn't care about that.
tim dillon
No, right.
Me saying we haven't had a significant impact is like when your 13-year-old starts talking about Israel and Palestine.
I sound ridiculous because it's literally, I've been on the planet 38 years and I'm like, we haven't had anything.
joe rogan
As you get older, you get old enough to realize this hustle.
Oh, this is a hustle.
You're pretending like you can do something.
You're pretending like you're gonna make a life and leave a mark.
You're just moving.
And you're gonna be gone, and new people are gonna move into that, and everyone's affecting everybody, and we're all working towards some weird goal.
And some of it involves rockets and computers, and we're just building wilder and wilder technology.
I don't know if we can escape before something hits.
And I have a feeling that's what's happened many times in the past.
I think that's the biggest key to the mystery of people.
tim dillon
And you think that we may have gotten to this point.
joe rogan
I think we definitely did.
tim dillon
Where people were podcasting in ridiculous coats.
joe rogan
Yes.
tim dillon
And then something comes and ruins it.
joe rogan
Yeah.
tim dillon
And then it takes billions of years to get back to that.
joe rogan
Millions.
tim dillon
Millions to get back to that.
joe rogan
Not really millions.
I think probably whatever the Egyptians were doing I think they were the most advanced civilization that ever existed.
That's what I think.
I mean, I'm out of line here for sure.
Listen, if you're an archaeologist and you're pulling your hair out, I get it.
But I don't think we could do what they did.
I think if we just look at it for just the sheer dynamics, the volume of stone that they moved, the precision in which they built it, I really don't think we can do that.
Just the symmetry of the faces of the statues is unparalleled and they're immense.
These are monstrously huge, perfectly symmetrical faces.
Their temples are insanely intricate with 20-ton gigantic stone blocks that were taken from a mountain 500 miles away.
No one has any idea how the fuck they got them.
tim dillon
Nobody has any clue.
joe rogan
No guesses.
unidentified
Right.
joe rogan
There's some guesses about, oh, maybe the river system was different back then.
Whatever.
Right.
50-ton chunk of granite out of a fucking mountain and moving it down even with modern equipment.
How are you getting it over the mountain?
tim dillon
So it seems like they were incredibly advanced.
joe rogan
Incredibly advanced.
tim dillon
With math, with science, with technology.
joe rogan
Certainly with geometry.
They also had an understanding of the cosmos.
They definitely had an understanding of the constellations.
And that's one of the reasons why the fringe theory is that the Sphinx is way older than what they have it currently dated at was like 2500 BC, which is still crazy old, right?
tim dillon
Right.
joe rogan
But what they think is it's probably older than that, maybe even 10,000 or 30,000 years old.
And that at these times in Whenever the calendar is aligned properly, whatever the year is, it's like exactly where a lion would be staring the constellation Leo.
tim dillon
That's mind-blowing.
joe rogan
Mind-blowing.
tim dillon
To think about that stuff.
joe rogan
I don't know if that's true, though.
That's a weird one.
It's like, how do we know if...
From the burning of the Library of Alexandria, we lost so much of an understanding of what the Egyptians knew and what they recorded.
So there's a lot of weird speculation amongst Egyptologists.
They look at the old...
They have hieroglyphs that show kings that go back 40,000 years.
unidentified
Right.
joe rogan
And they look at that as myth.
So it gets to a certain time when they decide, okay, now this is really, this is Tutankhamen, this is Ramses, this is the kings.
tim dillon
Are we talking about biblical times or even we're predating that?
So we're really predating the biblical times.
joe rogan
If they're correct, if these hieroglyphs are real, instead of like saying that they're myth because they're talking about kings that ruled the earth 40,000 years ago when we decided that those people back then were primitive.
But if they're right, and if it only existed in a few places on Earth, would that make sense?
Right.
That's how it is now.
Right now, you can go to the Amazon, you see people living like they lived thousands of years ago.
unidentified
Right.
joe rogan
And then you can see someone here get hit by a car because they're looking at their phone.
tim dillon
That's right.
joe rogan
You know, it's like they're both existing at the same time.
I think that's probably always been the case with people.
There's always been people that live in Siberia, these nomadic tribal people that are very content just living the same way they've always lived.
And then there's people that live in San Francisco that have people shitting on their street and fucking shooting up in front of them and getting paid.
tim dillon
Yeah.
So it's interesting.
You've always kind of had that dichotomy of really advanced people and then really – I don't want to use the word primitive, but certainly – You know, these uncontacted tribes and things like that.
joe rogan
Human beings always have inequality.
tim dillon
Yeah, there's always that strata.
joe rogan
There's always something.
And it's whether it's cultural, whether it's geographical, whether you're trapped on an island, like whatever.
You're always going to find somewhere, somewhere on Earth, someone who's just way beyond...
Like what we think of as like modern society, like what's acceptable, running water.
These people have none of that.
These people, they're making their own spears.
They're hunting.
They have leaves on their dicks.
tim dillon
They're killing animals out of necessity.
joe rogan
Out of necessity.
tim dillon
Because those animals might kill them.
joe rogan
Yeah.
They know what leaves to take.
Have you ever seen those people?
I think the Waranami, is that what they're called?
In Guyana.
They throw poison in the water.
tim dillon
Have you gone to Machu Picchu or Brazil or the Amazon or anything?
joe rogan
The only places that I've been to that are really...
I just got back from Greece.
We did Greece.
That was amazing.
That's amazing, but you're talking like 2,500 years old.
It's like a child compared to the pyramids.
tim dillon
Yeah, it's really amazing antiquity and how old things are.
And then where...
Where the line is between what is myth and what is history and trying to figure that out, which is very hard.
joe rogan
I think that even the stuff that we think of as like the cradle of wisdom, like what happened in Greece when they were building the Acropolis and the Parthenon and where democracy came from, I think that It's like a rebuilding of civilization.
That's what I think.
And I think if you can go back in a time machine, I bet if you could get to Egypt 25,000 years ago, I bet you'd be fucking blown away.
I bet they had some very bizarre, technologically advanced society that had a different path they went down.
So we went down the path of engines and computers.
But that doesn't mean that's the only way to invent technology.
That's just the path that we've been on.
If they had figured out some other stuff, if they had hundreds of thousands of years of time to really evolve and become modern humans, which is what we think now.
They used to think that people were only around for like 50,000 years, like anatomically modern humans.
But now they pushed it back to like 200,000 years ago, 300. It keeps going back further and further and further.
So people really did live that long.
Think about how quick we went from like 1800 To 2023. Yeah.
Insane.
tim dillon
It's quick.
joe rogan
But the difference in riding around on a fucking wagon being dragged by an animal or some stupid boat you had to take across the Atlantic.
unidentified
Right.
joe rogan
No one had any idea where the icebergs were.
unidentified
Yeah.
tim dillon
To now existing, you know, primarily in like...
Half in and half out of a completely digital universe.
unidentified
Yes.
joe rogan
Half in, half out, connected constantly to your phone.
tim dillon
And every book, like I'm reading a book now called The Dimensions of a Cave, and it's basically about what will things look like when we are more fully on that digital platform?
Like what constitutes a crime in the digital world?
What does war look like?
When everything's digital.
joe rogan
What happens if something like Grand Theft Auto, if people get prosecuted for beating people up with pipes?
tim dillon
There's weird ethical questions about when we're living a lot of our lives on these digital platforms.
What is a crime?
What is surveillance when everything's surveillance?
What are, you know, what are the laws?
What are the rules?
What are the consequences for breaking them?
Can you be cast out of that?
You know, just like the way we debate social media.
Now imagine it's even more immersive than social media.
It's augmented reality, virtual reality, some form of metaverse, whatever it is.
Can we, do we cast you out where you can't participate in this thing that everybody else is participating in?
And these are interesting questions because people are saying that we'll probably get there quicker than we think.
In the space of maybe 10 years or something, they're looking at these programs and platforms and going, oh, there's going to be a lot.
That's why the AI battle that they had with Hollywood, it seems ultimately a losing battle.
Right.
Which is, you know, not something that I love, but ultimately it seems like, look at the trailer for the new GTA. It's pretty amazing.
joe rogan
Amazing.
tim dillon
Imagine that even better, you know, it seems like there is going to be a time when we're watching a show of all AI people and enjoying it.
And that's just what it is.
And maybe we're even feeling like we're involved or immersed in it.
joe rogan
Yeah.
tim dillon
Maybe we're sitting there watching a guy get shot or ran over or watching a hooker get killed.
I don't know.
But, you know, it's very possible we could be in the thing.
joe rogan
Yeah.
tim dillon
I mean, there's people now talking about like...
joe rogan
What's this, Jamie?
jamie vernon
This showed up on Twitter recently.
It's all fake news, a 25-minute news broadcast.
joe rogan
It's fake?
jamie vernon
She's even saying it.
tim dillon
It's all generated by AI. Yeah, so no one's gonna know what's real anymore.
unidentified
24-7, right from the heart of our AI...
joe rogan
Yeah, hold on, let me listen to what they're saying here.
unidentified
... enables us to bring you a global perspective 24-7, right from the heart of our AI native newsroom, all presented by our team of AI-generated reporters.
Maybe you hear the words artificial intelligence.
joe rogan
Wait, is that a real dude?
jamie vernon
No.
joe rogan
No way!
jamie vernon
It may be at one point it was, but this is AI-generated movement, talking, blinking, all that.
joe rogan
Oh my god.
tim dillon
I say maybe...
joe rogan
Personalized news?
This is so dystopian.
tim dillon
Maybe do AI news, though, because the reality is most people can't do much about the news anyway.
joe rogan
Right.
tim dillon
So AI news, where you just kind of make up stories, might be the future.
Or you might heavily censor what you want, and people could choose their own news.
People are kind of doing that already.
joe rogan
They're kind of doing that already.
tim dillon
They choose their own news.
My aunt chooses her news.
In her news, Donald Trump has been running the government.
For the last four years.
He speaks to the generals directly.
Biden has been dead for a while, which, by the way, that's harder and harder to argue with her about.
And in her news, Donald Trump will then come back to the throne.
But he's still running anything that she goes, anything she tells us Thanksgiving, because anything that can happen with China, Russia, Trump's doing the negotiation, not Biden.
joe rogan
Have you seen the Biden ear conspiracy?
tim dillon
No.
joe rogan
The earlobe conspiracy?
tim dillon
But I love it.
Already I love it.
joe rogan
If you look at old photos of Biden, his earlobe hangs down.
As he gets older, his earlobe is connected, which is impossible.
tim dillon
That's odd.
joe rogan
It's impossible.
Your ear doesn't change its position unless you get surgery.
tim dillon
So what do we think?
joe rogan
I think he had a facelift.
tim dillon
Oh, definitely.
joe rogan
100%, right?
tim dillon
Definitely.
joe rogan
Which is, by the way, that doesn't work on guys.
unidentified
Right.
tim dillon
No, it doesn't.
joe rogan
It doesn't make you look better.
It just makes you look weird.
Your face is shiny.
tim dillon
Putin in Russia has different doubles.
joe rogan
He has body doubles.
tim dillon
He has body doubles.
joe rogan
But they 100% can do that.
They can do that with makeup.
Like, I've seen videos where a person is talking...
And it just looks like some weird old man.
And they just grab their face and peel it off.
The makeup they can do is like Hollywood stuff.
Stuff like Rick Baker could do.
tim dillon
Sure.
joe rogan
They have real experts.
unidentified
No, it's insane.
tim dillon
I did some dumb cameo in a horror movie and they made my whole head.
They just made my head.
They molded it.
It looks exactly like my head.
And they cut it off.
Yeah.
The special effects and the ability to do things like that is...
unidentified
Insane.
tim dillon
It's insane.
joe rogan
And they can 3D print things now.
The technology is so good, and the materials are so good, and these artists are fucking incredible.
They can 100% make you look like a totally different person.
tim dillon
Oh, for sure.
joe rogan
And I guarantee you they employ some of those people.
unidentified
Right.
joe rogan
Like, if you were gonna have someone, and they were like a CIA undercover person going into a terrorist organization, Wouldn't you fucking have them dressed differently?
Absolutely.
Wouldn't you give them a different face?
tim dillon
Absolutely.
joe rogan
Why wouldn't you do that?
tim dillon
Well, the things that they're doing at DARPA and all of these things are so far from what we...
You know, they had the internet in the 70s, right?
They had a version of it.
joe rogan
Did you see this new stealth bomber?
tim dillon
No.
joe rogan
Oh, my God.
I'll send this to you, Jamie.
Hold on a second.
tim dillon
I mean, they're doing stuff that's far beyond our conception.
joe rogan
Yes.
They're doing some wild shit that they're telling us about.
tim dillon
Right.
joe rogan
This is from the Drinking Bros podcast.
I'm going to send this to you, Jamie.
tim dillon
And this is our new stealth bomber.
joe rogan
Yeah, this thing's insane.
tim dillon
And if you're rich enough, can you rent it out?
joe rogan
No.
tim dillon
You take it up?
joe rogan
No.
I don't think it has humans in it.
tim dillon
Damn it.
joe rogan
I think this is one of them jammies where it's only...
But it can carry nukes.
Did I get it to you, Jamie?
jamie vernon
You sent me a different link.
joe rogan
I did send you a different link.
I realized it was some Caitlyn Jenner thing.
That's what I was saying.
tim dillon
Caitlyn Jenner's in a stealth bomber.
joe rogan
Instagram is odd.
Sometimes it just changes...
tim dillon
She can fly.
She does fly.
joe rogan
Really?
tim dillon
Caitlyn Jenner flies.
She came to my Christmas party in LA and showed everyone her plane.
joe rogan
Wow.
tim dillon
She flies.
Every few days, she flies around.
Interesting.
joe rogan
That's a wild hobby.
tim dillon
It's an interesting life.
joe rogan
Yeah, for sure.
tim dillon
It's an interesting one.
joe rogan
Don't go on your phone when you're up in the fucking sky.
tim dillon
I bet she is.
joe rogan
I bet she's on the phone.
tim dillon
I bet Caitlyn Jenner's in that plane on her phone, tweeting about how much she loves Donald Trump.
Because that's what she was telling everybody.
unidentified
Isn't that wild?
tim dillon
At my party she was going, you know, she goes, nobody's patriotic anymore.
I love Trump.
And everyone's just like, great, it's fun.
She's a fun archetype of person.
joe rogan
Yeah.
tim dillon
We're at the end of...
joe rogan
Time.
tim dillon
Time.
joe rogan
Yeah, check this fucking thing out.
tim dillon
This is crazy.
joe rogan
Check this thing out.
This thing, it carries, I think, four nukes or six nukes?
jamie vernon
There's an animation here.
unidentified
Hold on, let me find that.
tim dillon
This is amazing.
joe rogan
Yeah.
But the thing is, in that link that I sent you, put the link, because I want to play that, because he describes all the things it does in terms of jamming radar.
It's crazy what this thing does.
tim dillon
Was the first stealth in, like, the 80s or the 90s?
joe rogan
I want to say the 90s.
Does that make sense, Jamie?
unidentified
It's essentially 100% radar proof.
It cannot be detected except for with your eyeballs.
This one right here?
Holy shit.
It looks sexy as fuck.
But that's just the tip of the iceberg.
So it has...
It is able to analyze algorithmically the enemy's radar package.
Like how they're able to determine radar.
And then it can fucking instantaneously send that information.
Not just radar, but so it can...
Instantaneously detect the enemy's radar patterns.
It can detect all of their troop placements, their aircraft carrier placements, their submarine placements with ground-penetrating radar, and their armor placements, and immediately send a graphic of that back to every fucking other friendly force in the battle space.
Instantaneously.
one of these.
Yeah.
This fly over an area undetected and be like, all right, beep, beep, beep, beep, beep, beep, and this shit starts popping up.
It also can carry six fucking nukes.
This aircraft is essentially 100% radar proof.
joe rogan
Jesus!
tim dillon
Well, we need it.
joe rogan
How wild is that?
tim dillon
Well, we need it.
We're heading into perilous times, and we need something that can carry six nukes.
joe rogan
An invisible six-nuke drone that can detect everything instantaneously.
tim dillon
Yeah, but China's got it, and Russia's got it.
They have good stuff over there.
joe rogan
That's why we gotta have that, right?
That might be the top of the food chain.
tim dillon
We'll see.
joe rogan
We'll see.
tim dillon
Don't count out the Chinese.
joe rogan
I wouldn't count them out.
tim dillon
I wouldn't count them out.
joe rogan
They do a really good job of siphoning information.
tim dillon
Oh, they might have stolen that fucker years ago.
unidentified
Corporate espionage.
tim dillon
They're so good at it.
joe rogan
Well, also, we let them in.
And we let them buy companies.
tim dillon
Oh, yeah.
joe rogan
Which is wild.
tim dillon
So DeSantis, by the way, which I think this is good.
He's basically, and the real estate lobby's fighting him.
He went out in Florida.
He's like, we got to make it harder for Chinese nationals to just buy companies.
Property here, and then the real estate lobby's like, hey man, you're fucking up a good thing.
We like making money.
We like earning commission.
And China's a huge buyer of US real estate.
So all these real estate people, the Black Rocks, are coming at DeSantis and going, hey, we can't have this.
You have to let the Chinese play.
joe rogan
It's real weird.
You know, like, they can buy property, like, a certain amount of property here in areas that were like, hey, isn't that kind of close to a military base?
unidentified
Oh, yeah.
joe rogan
Isn't that close to, like, infrastructure?
tim dillon
Well, they bought the Waldorf Astoria Hotel in New York City, which is where the president used to stay every time he went to New York.
They bought it.
Now he stays at the New York Palace.
But it was just a fun thing to do.
They were like, oh, where does the president stay?
joe rogan
Let's buy that.
tim dillon
We're going to own that.
And they own it.
And they just flipped it to condos.
They don't care.
So the thing is, so much of these cities, Miami, New York, LA, even Austin now, a lot of this real estate investment is foreign.
People that are laundering money, washing money, hiding money.
And that's why the prices of real estate keep going up no matter what happens.
Rates go up to 8%.
It's still more money.
joe rogan
A friend of mine was telling me about this apartment building he lives in in Manhattan.
tim dillon
Yeah.
joe rogan
It's just filled with empty apartments.
unidentified
Oh!
joe rogan
Like super expensive, empty apartments, and it's just like Russian billionaires buy them up.
tim dillon
It's just Russian fertilizer magnets and Chinese amusement park tycoons.
Just weird configurations of humanity.
joe rogan
I wonder what percentage of those giant luxury apartments that are purchased are unoccupied.
tim dillon
Tons of them.
Tons of them.
joe rogan
That's wild, right?
tim dillon
Tons of them are.
And people just stash money there in case the government in their country decides to get cute.
joe rogan
Right.
tim dillon
And I love some of that, by the way.
And that's what happens.
So when you walk around New York City, you look at all these buildings, right?
And here's what you see.
Cheers.
You'll see three lights on.
joe rogan
Yeah.
tim dillon
You'll see three lights on in this massive billion dollar building.
Cost of construction was a billion dollar.
And there's five people home.
Where's everybody else?
Where are they?
Are they at dinner?
No, it was a scam.
It's a vertical money laundering scheme.
When I understood, because I was a tour guide in New York and I used to ask all these questions all the time, I go, so what happens?
Did the Chinese people come here and they go, well, we love Central Park.
And they want to live there, and they go, yeah, but they spend maybe a few weeks a year.
That's it.
Some of them spend nothing.
And a lot of foreign buyers will not just buy one apartment.
They'll buy 10. Jeez.
And they'll just stash their money.
They'll have a floor of a building.
Maybe they'll throw a kid in at NYU and go, you go become non-binary and disgrace us.
I'm going to stay home and run a business.
You go to New York, become non-binary, have your moment, have your time, and we're going to sit back in China and chill.
But a lot of times these things are completely empty.
It's criminal criminality.
joe rogan
It's wild that it's a good method to move money around, though.
It's really smart.
tim dillon
Oh, it's really smart.
And it's great because real estate is perfect to launder money.
You can buy it with a shell corp.
You don't have to buy it under your name.
You can buy it under that.
And by the way, you can disguise that Shell Corp with a hundred other Shell Corps so that nobody's going to go through.
It's like a pad where they'd have to keep flipping pages to find the actual owner of the actual company.
joe rogan
Well, wasn't this part of the problem with the Ukraine stuff?
tim dillon
Oh, yeah.
joe rogan
That was part of the problem.
tim dillon
I don't know what you mean, but I am agreeing.
No, but Hunter Biden, yeah.
joe rogan
And the family.
There was a bunch of shell corps that were involved in that.
tim dillon
Oh, yeah.
Well, Hunter Biden's an attorney, number one, and he did some financial investments, but he certainly had a very healthy budget for fun.
And now he had a budget for extracurricular activities.
And where does that come from?
It's a slush fund that comes from a lot of shady dealings.
This guy had no expertise in energy.
He was working at, he's a consultant for Burisma, a Ukrainian energy company.
And now we've given the Ukraine, I don't know what it is.
It's an insane amount of money.
joe rogan
I think the last count was, is it $170 billion?
How much money have we given to Ukraine?
tim dillon
And it's just interesting that that's the country that our president's son was having his little internship.
joe rogan
It's just a coincidence, dude.
tim dillon
I know.
joe rogan
Sometimes coincidences happen.
tim dillon
But it's...
No, we can't...
You know what it is?
It's like...
I watched the most...
The worst people in the world.
The people at Beverly Hills who like scream at valets and yell at their nannies.
And they're not...
Humanitarians.
Overnight they allowed Ukrainian flags.
It was interesting.
They don't care about Darfur, the Sudan, anything going on in Africa.
They don't care about any of the problems happening in countries like Yemen, but they all immediately decided, almost overnight, That the only humanitarian crisis worth caring about was the Ukraine.
joe rogan
Well, when baseball season's over, you start paying attention to football.
tim dillon
That's what it is.
joe rogan
That's what it is.
tim dillon
That's exactly what it is.
joe rogan
That's what it is.
It's sports for dorks.
Just how much aid has the U.S. sent to Ukraine?
Total $75.4 billion.
tim dillon
I think there's more.
joe rogan
I think that's more.
jamie vernon
I would say more too, but this is...
tim dillon
And you know how much of this aid disappears?
joe rogan
First of all, isn't it funny that we're saying 75 billion?
I think it's more.
Like, that's a low number.
tim dillon
But how much of this aid disappears off the backs of trucks?
joe rogan
Oh, it's 113 billion?
unidentified
I don't know.
jamie vernon
That's his past, present.
tim dillon
And by the way, you could start looking into how much of it has just evaporated.
How much of that money's disappeared?
Where it went?
joe rogan
Well, there was this one story about this one guy who had pilfered off a billion dollars, and they didn't even arrest him.
They just made him resign.
unidentified
Yeah.
joe rogan
And I was like, what is that story about?
I read the headline, I was like, I'm gonna get to that eventually.
Right.
Did you see that story, Jamie?
tim dillon
Whenever you're dispersing money in a war, it's always strange because you have to pay people off.
It's a perfect place for things to disappear, money-wise.
joe rogan
One of my favorite moments during all this was the New York Times going after Candace Owens.
tim dillon
Oh, sure.
joe rogan
Did you see that?
tim dillon
For what they had reported.
joe rogan
They said to her, what evidence do you have that Ukraine is corrupt?
And she said, your fucking newspaper.
From just a couple of years ago.
It was like 2017 or 18 or something like that?
tim dillon
There was a million Vice documentaries about how Ukraine was the home of white nationalism.
The thing we were all, you know, supposedly, this was the greatest threat to human civilization, and we were told that every single day.
This country, the Ukraine, was a white nationalist country that had lots of these groups that fomented Right.
Right.
unidentified
Right.
tim dillon
Became, went out the window.
joe rogan
Do you remember when?
tim dillon
Right out the window.
joe rogan
Who was it?
Was it Jon Stewart that gave that dude the award?
He gave him a medal.
tim dillon
Yeah.
And I'm sure Stewart doesn't even know.
It's like, this guy's a hero.
You pin something on him.
But they are, listen, they're avowed neo-Nazis in that country.
They have SS tattoos.
This is not a conspiracy theory.
It's not everybody.
But that Azov Battalion is...
A huge force, you know?
joe rogan
That's so wild.
tim dillon
It's wild.
And it's one of the reasons people think Zelensky, who's going to sign those Minsk Accords and end this little Civil War issue they had going on in the northern province in Dunbar, he didn't sign any of that.
People think...
And people have, you know, pontificated that either those hardliners in the Ukrainian government or military go, you sign this, we'll kill you.
Or the U.S. State Department was like, no, no, no, no, no.
You don't sign this.
You keep doing what you're doing.
And if there is a war, we have your back.
And this is this has been this is a well-known fact that everybody wanted some type of agreement early before there was a war with these northern Russian speaking regions and the government of Ukraine so that there was autonomy to a certain degree that they could speak the language that they could have political parties and again I'm not saying that Russia is like even though I do I am spiritually Russian someone told me that and I have a Russian aesthetic But that's
not why I'm saying this.
I'm just saying the facts are all there.
And we've had this long, bloody war in which every time this guy wants to negotiate or thinks about, we go, don't.
Don't.
Keep going.
Keep fighting.
We got you.
And then, you know, Nikki Haley, all these people go, no, it's civilizational.
By the way, nothing's regional.
Everything's civilizational.
Israel, Palestine, civilizational.
It's odd.
It's like, but wait a minute.
That's been a regional conflict forever, since 1946. They go, no, no, no, it's about values.
It's about our values.
So we've got to send them billions of dollars and we might have to get involved because it's about our value.
And you start going, wait a minute, it's about our values in northern Ukraine?
So all of these little, and I'm not saying they're little, but all of these conflicts, we can't not get involved.
We can't in some way.
We have to be involved.
We have to fund them.
We have to give weapons because we convince everybody that all of these conflicts are...
A big battle for the future of civilization.
And the next step is Putin's gonna steamroll Vermont.
He's coming to Vermont.
You let him do what he's doing in the Ukraine, he's gonna steamroll.
He's coming to Aspen.
You want to see what happens when Russia owns Aspen?
And nobody thinks logically, like, maybe we like war.
Maybe we just like having a constant business.
joe rogan
Maybe Eisenhower was right.
unidentified
Yeah.
joe rogan
And Eisenhower warned people when he was leaving office.
I mean, that should be required listening to anybody that's confused as to why we're doing certain things.
unidentified
Right.
joe rogan
They're making a lot of money right now.
And if they can keep this rolling...
unidentified
Yeah.
tim dillon
They're making great money.
And I'm not making any of it from that.
joe rogan
And if you could have some sort of a motivation...
tim dillon
Cut me in.
joe rogan
You get some sort of motivation, like you're trying to save civilization...
unidentified
Oh, always.
joe rogan
You can justify so much.
tim dillon
Now, notice that when Saudi Arabia is killing Yemenis, it's not civilizational.
That's not civilizational.
But Ukraine, Russia is.
And anything that goes on in Israel and Palestine is.
But when the country of Yemen is being starved out, bombed and killed with money and weapons from the U.S. through Saudi Arabia, that's not civilizational.
That's not civilizational.
But Nikki Haley's up there like, let's fight it.
Let's go, China.
Let's go.
joe rogan
Why do you think she's doing that?
tim dillon
Because she wants...
joe rogan
Has she always been that way?
tim dillon
She wants the big money.
And the big money people like when you get...
Well, she's a woman, so she's got to be Tom Tuff.
Ban TikTok.
I'll kill you.
joe rogan
She wants to ban TikTok.
tim dillon
Oh, ban it.
Ban it.
And then we're going to go there and kick China's ass for making it.
I'm Nikki Haley.
I'm tough.
I want Hillary Clinton.
Hillary Clinton came out like the running of the bulls, going, fuck Putin.
We should kill...
Hillary's on record saying some of the most bellicose things ever about what we should be doing with our CIA and with our military.
And Nikki Haley's basically going out there going, the big money likes when you're open to a little conflict.
They like that.
The Koch brothers types like when you leave the door open.
You don't have to say we're going to do it, but leave the door open.
All options on the table.
That's their favorite word.
Their favorite sentence is like, we're leaving all options on the table.
It's about our values, says Nikki Haley.
It's about our values.
In northern Ukraine, they like she wants the money.
I don't know what Chris Christie's up there talking about.
You know, a Zempick or whatever, but he's not getting a dollar.
No one's giving him anything.
joe rogan
He's a weird one.
tim dillon
He's just there to ruin things.
Here's what I appreciate about Chris Christie.
unidentified
He exists only to destroy.
tim dillon
He's not trying to build.
He cannot win.
He's not going to be elected.
He's there to kill that Vivek Ramaswamy.
He's going to kill him one day.
He's there to just destroy other people.
He's not there to succeed, and he knows it.
And Nikki Haley now is having the big meetings.
She's having the big closed-door meetings when they take you up to Monterio, California, in the Bohemian Grove, and they sit you down by the redwood trees, and you go, I like your style.
I just like...
Now, by the way, who the hell is Nikki?
No one knows.
No one cares.
She was the governor of what?
What was she the governor of?
South Carolina.
Great, great, great.
But again, none of these people gave a shit back then, right?
I think her big thing was when someone climbed to the top of the state house and took away the Confederate flag, she was like, well, that's good.
I think she didn't do anything.
unidentified
Whatever.
tim dillon
She had that moment of like, look at me.
I'm the governor and I'm progressive.
I'll let people vandalize the Capitol, maybe for its good reason, whatever.
But nobody knew who this bitch was until she got on stage and started saying, hey, I would love to go to war.
I would love to go to war.
And then all of a sudden, all the money started going, you know, Nikki Haley, who she's not a particularly engaging or electric, you know, she's fine, but she's not like somebody who's like, whoa.
joe rogan
So what do they do?
Do they step in and say we need better speechwriters?
What do they do?
Do they say we need some sort of a clear dynamic message that comes from you that's uniquely from a woman's perspective that might excite Republicans?
tim dillon
Yeah, the Karl Rove type sit down and go, we've really lost our way here.
We've lost our way because right after 9-11, we were able to sell people on this idea that America had to dominate every corner of the globe And we were going to throw a lot of lives at that, and we were going to spend a lot of money to do that.
And that's what's ultimately going to make us safer and secure us.
And Americans after the Iraq War did not believe that.
The Americans said, no, we don't believe that.
So then all these neocons became Democrats.
All the people that had pushed that war had become Democrats, and they started coming at it from the left and going like, well, Russia, they don't like trans people.
Did you hear that?
They don't like trans people.
They don't have a Real Housewives franchise in Russia.
Like, they went at it from another way, going like, we have to confront these countries, these evil people like Vladimir Putin, who are irrational.
They're not acting in their own self-interest.
They're irrational psychopaths that want to dominate the world, even though Putin's never showed any inclination of doing that one time, ever once.
But he's gonna.
He's 75, and he may or may not have Parkinson's, but now he's gonna go and dominate the world, even though he can barely dominate the Ukraine after a year and a half of fighting.
Two years.
But they go, no, no, no, he's going to dominate the whole world.
And so the whole idea is basically just like they have to get back on that thing because Americans have lost the belief in that.
You can't sell that to people anymore.
Nobody wants to hear that.
joe rogan
What do you think changed?
tim dillon
The Iraq War.
I watched it.
I saw it.
I was a kid.
I was in high school.
Friends of mine signed up for the military.
RIP to some of them.
A lot of them survived.
People watched soldiers dying every day.
They watched...
A lot of people get rich.
They watch the 10 counties outside of Washington, D.C. become the most valuable places, you know, the biggest, you know, in terms of like net worth.
They looked at all these counties around D.C. and they're like, wait, what?
We're not talking about the Hamptons or Manhattan or Malibu or the hill country of Texas.
We're talking about Virginia.
And people watched a lot of people get rich.
They watched a lot of corruption.
They watched a lot of people die.
And then what did we get for it in Iraq?
What did we really get?
What did we get in Afghanistan?
The Taliban's built back!
They're back.
We left 20 years later with nothing.
So then people start going, okay.
joe rogan
We didn't just leave.
We armed them.
tim dillon
We armed them and then cowered out.
And then like, so watching that, watching that whole process has, I think, disillusioned a lot of people in my generation.
I'm 38 and we're looking at all this shit and we're going like, dude, nothing you promised us happened.
We don't feel safer.
It doesn't feel like we're safer because we invaded Iraq.
joe rogan
Have you ever entertained the idea that they left behind all that equipment so that the Taliban could become a threat and they would justify going back in again?
unidentified
Of course.
tim dillon
It's a circular thing.
joe rogan
Keep the door open.
tim dillon
It's a circular thing.
joe rogan
Leave all options on the table.
tim dillon
Let's put them on the table.
Nikki Haley will be back in there in three months.
She'll go in there.
She'll go, well, the women are being trained.
Because it's always a tug at your heartstrings.
Because we all agree that we shouldn't throw, most of us, we shouldn't throw gay people off the roof.
And we shouldn't stone women.
We all agree with that.
And that's the things they trot out.
They go, you know...
The women are being stoned.
Meanwhile, they're letting people into America who some of them want to stone women and some of them would throw gay people off the roof.
And if you question that, you're a Nazi.
joe rogan
Do you ever see some of the photos of Kabul from like the 1970s?
tim dillon
Yeah, it was fucking the spot.
joe rogan
It was amazing.
tim dillon
It was the spot.
joe rogan
People would go there all the time.
tim dillon
Yeah, it was great.
joe rogan
They would take vacations there.
tim dillon
Well, also Iran, before the coup, was this progressive place.
And we realized, you know, the British and the United States, it doesn't, that's not going to work for us.
We'd actually rather them to be these scary, because the dictators will, you know, work with our companies.
joe rogan
That's why that Osama Bin Laden letter to America went viral on TikTok.
People are like, wait a minute, what did we do?
tim dillon
My 12-year-old cousin's in Al-Qaeda now.
He's walking around going, this motherfucker makes a lot of sense about a lot of things.
But that's the problem.
The problem is when Bin Laden did that, we were told the dumbest thing ever, he hated us because of our freedom.
joe rogan
He hated us because of our freedom.
tim dillon
It's our freedom and that what we needed to do is give people our freedom.
So that they didn't hate us.
It was this Manichaean good and evil thing.
And we bought into it.
I bought into it.
I cannot count the amount of parties I was at, coked to my gills, screaming about the need for the Iraq war.
I was like, we're over there smoking a cigarette.
You don't understand.
joe rogan
We're over there.
tim dillon
I was like a fucking a parachick.
I was running around Long Island, drunk in my car, coked out of my face, screaming and yelling that we needed the surge.
unidentified
Please.
tim dillon
We need to surge!
And they got me.
They got me because I felt good about it.
I went, this makes sense.
We're America.
We have freedom.
I have freedom to sell subprime mortgages and do cocaine.
They should have that.
And we need the surge, and we need money, and we can't give up, and we can't stop, and John Kerry's a pussy, and he went to Vietnam to just, I don't know, take photos or whatever he did.
And I totally bought in all of it.
I was bought in, and now I was on a lot of drugs.
joe rogan
You're also young.
When you're young, being patriotic like that, like blindly, when you're young, is super common.
tim dillon
I remember this girl goes, She said something to me.
It was one of these girls who was like a little bit more like, you know, not buying into it.
And then she was like, she goes, do you ever think what it would feel like to be in a house and just have your city bombed?
I know that you're saying this is all for a good reason and this is to liberate them, but do you ever think about what it would feel like to just be in a place and then just hear bombs and then things are shaking and everything?
And I was like, no.
unidentified
No.
tim dillon
But things like that will stop you, right?
Things like that stop you in your tracks a little bit.
You go, oh, that would suck.
joe rogan
When Callan was a kid, he was in Beirut during the bombings.
tim dillon
Interesting.
joe rogan
Yeah, he experienced that.
That probably fucking sticks with you.
tim dillon
It sticks with you, for sure.
joe rogan
You're watching buildings blow up three blocks away.
tim dillon
This is the thing with Israel and Gaza right now.
Everyone thinks Israel should and does have the right to respond.
Obviously, they have to secure their country, right?
They were invaded.
We get it.
The problem becomes when people are just watching massive civilian casualties all day on TikTok.
You know, there's a certain level where people, they lose their tolerance.
They go, this is a lot.
And I think in the modern world, people don't have the stomach, and nor should they, to see this level of death and carnage.
joe rogan
Especially from innocent women and children.
tim dillon
Yes.
joe rogan
When you see people being pulled out of the rubble like babies.
It's tough.
tim dillon
And two years ago, it was idiots dancing on it in pajamas.
And these kids are going, what happened?
It used to be Charli D'Amelio doing the hula hoop.
Now it's people being pulled out of the rubble and kids are like, what?
So it doesn't work anymore.
Like this type of all-out conflict is...
It doesn't work.
And I appreciate Israel's position because it's a tough position to be in.
That being said, it's not going to work.
If we had TikTok when we were in Fallujah, It would have been crazy.
joe rogan
Oh my God.
tim dillon
None of it.
joe rogan
Just look at the stuff that got out about the...
What is it called?
Which prison?
Zagreb?
unidentified
Abu Ghraib.
joe rogan
Abu Ghraib.
With the fucking dogs?
unidentified
Yeah.
joe rogan
The shit they were doing to people?
tim dillon
That cigarette smoking girl, Lindy England, who now, by the way, works at a strawberry festival.
I found that out on my podcast.
I swear to God.
Lindy England, the cigarette chain smoking cigarette girl, Who tortured those guys at Abu Ghraib literally was one of the, like, sponsors of a strawberry festival.
I forget where, but it's absolutely true, and you can check it, and it's amazing.
And I thought, you know, everybody has a second act in this country, by the way.
Everybody.
Doesn't really matter what you've done.
Everyone has a second act.
O.J.'s on his third act.
Trump's on his third or fifth, sixth act, seventh act.
Everyone has a second act.
If you're still on the planet in this country, that's the thing about Russia.
They had to kill that guy, Progosian.
You don't get a second act there.
That's not the way it is.
They don't have the mechanism.
They can't give him a reality show.
Progosian doesn't get a game show.
They got to blow him out of the sky.
In America, like Hollywood would love Trump.
Now, if Trump goes, I'm not going to run for president.
I just want to do a big show.
They would build him a fake White House in Burbank.
Tonight.
And they'd give him Emmys.
They'd pretend it was all good.
They'd hug him.
It wouldn't matter as long as he doesn't do the thing they don't want him to do.
joe rogan
I don't think that's true.
I don't think he ever comes back.
I don't think they ever let you back in.
tim dillon
Well, no, no, no.
joe rogan
Once they decide you're Hitler.
tim dillon
If he just said, I'm not going...
George W. Bush, Ellen's hugging him going, we love him.
And then people are going, he wasn't that bad.
He was much worse president than Trump.
joe rogan
Yeah.
tim dillon
Did much worse to America.
But I think if Trump just said, I'm abandoning politics, Hollywood would be there in two seconds because they don't have any morals.
They're amoral.
That's the thing about Hollywood.
They don't care.
They're only thinking about what can make the money and what will get them in trouble the least.
joe rogan
But don't you think that in this day and age, being moral, or at least like Signaling that your moral is an important part of Hollywood.
It didn't exist before.
tim dillon
It can be and it is to a certain degree, but they all know Trump is a fucking massive train of money.
They all know he's a train of money.
And if he just said, listen, I don't want to be the president anymore.
I want to host a game show.
There are people that Ted Sarandos is calling him and anyone that says shit about Ted, like he would go, hey, what do you want him to be president?
I gave him a show.
What are you nuts?
He'd be in his Malibu house screaming like I gave Trump a show.
So I do think that there's a way back in.
They just they don't want him to be the president.
joe rogan
Yeah.
tim dillon
But they don't...
joe rogan
But he wants to be the president.
tim dillon
And he's going to probably be the president.
He's going to be the president.
It's going to feel interesting when he's inaugurated, because it'll feel like we're living in a loop.
joe rogan
How far do you think they would go to stop it?
Because it's really wild watching him being prosecuted, right?
unidentified
Yes.
joe rogan
It's really wild.
tim dillon
I know, for inflating the price of a condo.
It's the dumbest thing ever.
It's weird.
They were like, he's an asset of Russia.
And now they're like, now it's totally switched to where they're like, he said it had six bedrooms.
It has five.
It's like, guys, this wasn't what we were told.
We were told he was an asset of Russia.
And then they switched it up immediately to go, oh, he inflated the price of his real estate.
By the way, everyone does that.
Everyone does that.
If somebody's appraising your house, you walk up at the end and go, you saw the basement, right?
That's woodwork that I did.
Everyone does that.
He does it on a grand scale because he has more money and more properties.
But the idea that that's what we're getting him for, it's hilarious.
joe rogan
It's weird.
tim dillon
It's crazy.
joe rogan
Because if this keeps going, how far will they take it?
If he keeps getting bigger, because it seems like, at least in public perception, The more they come after him, the bigger he gets.
unidentified
Yeah.
joe rogan
Because the more people realize the game.
unidentified
Right.
joe rogan
They're like, oh my god, this is like banana republic shit.
You're prosecuting your political opponent.
unidentified
Yes.
joe rogan
And you're doing it specifically to time the trials around Republican conventions, primaries, all these different things.
You're doing it on purpose.
unidentified
Right.
joe rogan
It's pretty clear.
Right.
So everyone's more and more supportive of him than ever.
So how far will they go and how far can they go?
tim dillon
I don't know.
I think he'll run the joint from the can.
I think he'll run the country from prison.
I mean, I think he'll run it from a federal prison.
I mean, it might get to the point where we have the first mafia president where he's in federal prison in Palm Beach and he's running the country.
joe rogan
Is that possible?
tim dillon
I don't think they'll kill him.
I don't think they kill anyone anymore.
I don't think they kill anyone anymore.
They don't seem to.
They're torturing Assange.
They'll bleed you out slowly.
joe rogan
Assange thing is wild.
tim dillon
But they don't seem to be killing anyone anymore.
They used to kill everyone.
MLK, JFK, RFK. Everyone died.
But now they're not killing people nearly as much.
joe rogan
There's a few people...
tim dillon
People disappear a little bit.
joe rogan
...connected to the Epstein case.
tim dillon
They go.
joe rogan
They had to go.
tim dillon
They absolutely go.
joe rogan
A few of those guys went.
tim dillon
Take this off.
I think I'm allergic to it.
joe rogan
That one guy...
tim dillon
I mean, it's crazy.
joe rogan
The one guy that, 30 miles from his house, he hung himself with an electric cord and then shot himself in the chest with a shotgun.
tim dillon
That's right.
There was a guy in Palm Beach.
They found him in his pool.
joe rogan
Oh, yeah.
tim dillon
Oh, yeah.
I've seen Franny was in the pool.
joe rogan
There's a few of those.
tim dillon
Well, they've got to tie up the loose ends.
joe rogan
There's a few of those loose ends that had to get tied up.
tim dillon
Oh, they've got to tie up those loose ends.
joe rogan
Yeah, there's a few of those.
Without a doubt.
tim dillon
Without a doubt, they tied them up.
But they don't go after the big guys anyway.
They used to go after the big guys all the time.
joe rogan
Right.
tim dillon
They don't seem to do that.
They have this prosecutor, Jack Smith, Jack something.
They always have a guy they love.
unidentified
Mm.
tim dillon
It was...
Who was it?
It was Mueller.
Mueller.
And then there was another guy.
Everybody's...
It's like he's the white knight.
Yeah, this guy now.
Jack Smith is the guy.
So everybody's put...
They all put their hope in Jack Smith.
They had put their hope in...
joe rogan
This is Trump's attorney?
tim dillon
Yeah.
joe rogan
Hmm.
tim dillon
No, this is not Trump's attorney.
This is the guy who's going at Trump.
joe rogan
Oh, oh, oh, oh, oh.
tim dillon
He's the special counsel.
joe rogan
Oh, so this is the guy that's trying to prosecute Trump.
tim dillon
And they're basically saying, like, you know, this is the one.
He's got it.
unidentified
We've heard this for fucking forever.
joe rogan
Yeah, it's like it's hard when you see the amount of crime that people are getting away with.
tim dillon
Yeah.
joe rogan
On the streets.
And then you see this disproportion thing.
You're like, you're trying to put someone in a cage for what?
And you're releasing people when they just storm into Nordstrom's and just run out with racks of clothes and smash people justifying that.
You're making laws so you can't prosecute someone for stealing less than a certain amount.
What are you talking about?
And you're gonna go after that guy?
For what?
What is our goal?
Is our goal a safer world?
Is our goal a place where businesses can thrive?
tim dillon
Well, you want to be protected from Donald Trump's inflated condo price.
joe rogan
I mean, it's so crazy that the two things exist in the same country simultaneously.
Erosion.
Erosion of law and order.
tim dillon
If you talk to anyone in California, everybody knows somebody whose house has been robbed.
joe rogan
Yeah.
tim dillon
Home invasion.
joe rogan
Yeah.
tim dillon
Everybody knows somebody.
joe rogan
Scary shit.
tim dillon
Scary shit.
joe rogan
It's scary shit, and yet they're not concentrating on that at all.
You know, like, New York City's on a giant wave of crime, and they're prosecuting Trump for this.
Meanwhile, they also have this insane thing where they're a sanctuary city.
So they have to take in all these immigrants.
tim dillon
But the president's son, and everyone keeps talking about this, they go, well, he's being, it's a political witch hunt.
I'm like, he has videos of himself smoking crack with Ukrainian hookers with gun to their heads.
joe rogan
Yeah.
tim dillon
The guy lives in Malibu and he has art shows in Soho.
He's doing okay.
Like, anyone's life's ruined with one of the videos on his laptop.
Anyone.
joe rogan
They've done a remarkable job of minimizing the impact of that laptop.
tim dillon
He had his problems.
joe rogan
It's amazing.
tim dillon
He had his problems.
You have no compassion for addicts?
I'm like, he's in the Ukraine with a gun to a hooker's head, smoking crack, With a job his father got him.
You don't have compassion for addicts.
It's a little different.
It's slightly different.
Can we admit that?
joe rogan
Well, it's also much different if we can find out that Joe Biden was involved.
tim dillon
Oh, yeah.
Sure.
joe rogan
And the idea that he wasn't involved seems more unlikely.
tim dillon
Seems odd.
joe rogan
Seems weird.
tim dillon
Odd that they would just bring in Hunter.
joe rogan
It seemed like they had conversations, too.
unidentified
Yeah.
joe rogan
And it seems like he said that they didn't.
tim dillon
It's a tough family, the Bidens.
joe rogan
But just imagine if that was Trump.
Just imagine the overall media coverage of it.
unidentified
It would be insane.
tim dillon
Imagine how insane it would be if Donald Trump Jr. Well, if Donald Trump was like, we should support the Ukraine, the media in this country would go, fuck the Ukraine.
Like, anything he said, they just, they run the other way.
joe rogan
But how crazy must it be for people like the CNN people that realized their greatest profits when they were having Donald Trump on every day?
tim dillon
Well, that's why they want him back.
joe rogan
But they probably helped him get elected.
tim dillon
That's why I think they ultimately want him back.
They ultimately kind of want him back.
unidentified
For business.
tim dillon
They've kind of engineered his comeback to a degree.
Bill Burr made a point.
He was like, he was on the casino circuit, and then everybody started indicting him and talking about him, and now he's back.
They like him.
They love him.
He was a creature of Hollywood in the media before he was a politician.
joe rogan
Yeah.
tim dillon
They did create him, and I think he's certainly not bad for business.
joe rogan
It's just wild how they turned.
tim dillon
Well, it's just wild to live in a time when we feel like we're almost in an actual loop where you go, it's going to be the same people.
joe rogan
Over and over again.
tim dillon
Over and over again.
joe rogan
The Bushes, the Clintons, Chelsea Clinton run for president in 2029. You know, and it's just going to be the same things.
tim dillon
And that's why you check out.
That's why my dad is so checked out now.
And I used to think like, oh, he should learn more about, or he shouldn't.
And now I've realized he's like, maybe the wisest person I know.
Because his whole response, like at Thanksgiving, someone goes, what do you think about this Israel thing in Gaza?
And he goes, not cool.
And just kept eating.
And I went, that's his level.
He's got two or three words.
For any global event, my father has at maximum four words to describe it.
It's usually like, that's not good.
And then he keeps eating.
And I'm like, maybe that's the move.
I used to say that.
I used to ridicule that.
I used to go, he's really out of touch.
But now I'm like, oh, he's lived through Vietnam and the first Iraq war, the second Iraq war, Afghanistan, Iran-Contra, the president getting his dick sucked, Obama, Trump.
I think eventually you kind of just toss it.
You toss it in.
joe rogan
You decide that you're not going to get involved.
And you're just going to try to enjoy your life.
tim dillon
These young kids on TikTok now that scream about politics, they just yell about politics.
There's a whole group of young kids who yell into their phone about politics.
You see them.
There's two kids who love Biden.
And I had them on my show, and they go, we love Joe.
I love Joe Biden.
joe rogan
You had them on your show?
tim dillon
I had them on my show.
What was that like?
What do they know about anything?
joe rogan
Did you get through to them at all?
tim dillon
No.
joe rogan
Was there fun?
I don't get through to people.
unidentified
You get through to me.
tim dillon
I get through to you.
There's a few people I get through to.
joe rogan
Was it fun?
tim dillon
They were cool kids, but they're insane.
joe rogan
Right.
tim dillon
They're insane.
joe rogan
But did you have any good points that they had to address?
tim dillon
Yeah, for sure.
But that level, when you're a kid, or whatever you are, they're not kids either.
They're like young adults.
But that level of certainty that you have about the world, you never see the world more clear than when you're like 20. You know at 20 why everyone's a loser, why everyone's a winner.
What's wrong and what's right.
And so now we have an app where you can go on it and scream in the app and tell everybody all the things you've figured out in 10 years of summer camp or whatever.
But what it really is is you haven't lived long enough To have any of your ideas challenged in any real way.
joe rogan
Right.
You're also, your brain's not fully formed yet.
tim dillon
Your brain's not formed.
And you want attention?
joe rogan
And you're in the middle of this weird culture shift where people are, like, getting rewarded for yelling about politics.
unidentified
That's right.
joe rogan
On TikTok publicly, where you would normally just kind of do it with your friends like you did over the Iraq war, coked up with a cigarette.
tim dillon
If I had had TikTok...
Back then, oh my god.
If I did TikTok back then, I was a guy where I was...
I would go over to my friends' houses.
I would hang out with their parents until, like, they would be working, like, shit little jobs.
It'd be, like, the end of high school, beginning of college.
And I would sit there with their parents.
They would make martinis, and we would drink gin, and we would watch The O'Reilly Factor.
And we would smoke cigarettes in the backyard.
And this was like, you know, if I had TikTok at that point, it would have just been this sweaty, disheveled cokehead screaming about how Donald Rumsfeld needs our support.
Because that was, you know, I was like, you're not American.
And that's...
I just think about myself.
I was like, fuck, I couldn't have been more wrong.
So I look at these kids who now have, like, the technology to broadcast every thought they've ever...
that they think they're having.
And I'm like, you're going to look back on that and go, that was so cringe.
joe rogan
Right.
tim dillon
When I was, like, doing Biden Youth and screaming about the importance of Biden and how great he was, even if you believe in Biden or think he's good or whatever...
The way that they do it, they're going to look back on it and they're going to go, oh, I was caught up in something.
Because that's what I feel.
I go, I was caught up.
I didn't really.
I read a few books that I didn't understand.
And I went all around Long Island screaming about the need to democratize the Middle East.
joe rogan
There's something about doing that on Long Island.
tim dillon
Oh, it's amazing.
joe rogan
It's so classic.
tim dillon
It was great.
And it was like, I remember being in the car with people.
You want to fight him here?
You want to fight him here?
unidentified
Yeah.
tim dillon
Every talking point that was given to me, I completely now realize sounds ridiculous.
And I look at these young people and I'm like, I'm not saying don't be passionate about things.
I'm just saying like, live a little.
Wait a little bit.
joe rogan
It's hard to realize why you're captured in a way of thinking while you're in the middle of it and all your friends are in the middle of it and everybody's in the middle of it.
tim dillon
See, at least back then you didn't have social media, so it's like I wasn't doing it to be famous.
I was doing it because I was genuinely fucked a lunatic.
I was a genuine fucking lunatic.
Now these kids go, oh, there's clout.
I can make money.
I have followers.
joe rogan
Ooh, yeah.
tim dillon
Back then, I was like, no, no, no.
I got a backyard.
I got a bottle of vodka.
I got a pack of cigarettes.
Let's go.
joe rogan
But you know what's ironic?
tim dillon
Yeah.
joe rogan
If you were on TikTok and there was all these other people doing it at the same time, if TikTok existed back when you were a kid, you would still rise to the top.
tim dillon
Yeah, well, I'd like to think so.
joe rogan
Yeah, you would 100%.
You would 100%.
Because a lot of this people getting attention that are mediocre, it's just a lack of other content that's available.
tim dillon
No, I would like to think so.
I would like to think that there'd be people being like, do you watch that guy?
joe rogan
They'd be like, he's the guy.
tim dillon
That fat, closeted, gay cocaine addict.
Who talks about why we need to do the Iraq War?
He's good.
Who knows?
joe rogan
You would be a Fox News consultant.
tim dillon
I could go to Lachlan Murdoch right now and say, give me 20 million, dummy.
joe rogan
Imagine if Fox decided to go Wild West and they had an online, wild, right-wing, swear all the time, talk about whatever the fuck you want to.
That would get a lot of the young guys in.
tim dillon
Listen, I'd be the oldest person on TikTok if Fox News did a TikTok show with me, and it was just me screaming at these kids.
And they're all young guys who...
They all have a boy band aesthetic and they're kind of like, they're also trying to get girls as they talk about politics.
joe rogan
Right.
tim dillon
So it's the weirdest thing.
They're like, you know, they're like looking in the camera, they're like, you know, like healthcare, like you have that abortion.
unidentified
Yeah.
tim dillon
You know, which is lovely.
I mean, I'm not anti-abortion, but...
It's so funny to see this.
Everything's conflated with everything else.
So it's like they're out there trying to get pussy, trying to make money, trying to be famous, and also trying to be right.
And by the way, a few of those things have to get sacrificed.
The people that I've known where I'm like, God, you're right.
A lot of them are not rolling in dough.
A lot of those journalists who are like right about stuff or they even care about the idea that there is a right.
They're not rolling in doubt.
joe rogan
They get sub-stacks.
tim dillon
They get sub-stacks.
You'll read them.
joe rogan
They're doing better now.
tim dillon
Sub-stacks are pretty profitable.
They're doing better now.
The Greenwaltz, people like that, Taibbi, absolutely.
They're doing a lot better now.
joe rogan
And you can fucking trust them.
God damn, it's hard to trust.
It's hard to know what the fuck you're reading, what the motivation is behind it.
Like, more than ever before.
You want some more of this?
tim dillon
No, I'm good.
Thank you, buddy.
joe rogan
More than ever before.
I mean, so many times I'm reading things.
I'm like, what's the fucking motivation?
What's the true story?
tim dillon
When I came up in the world and understanding, trying to understand this stuff, there was cable news dominated the discourse.
So it was just the three networks, the big three, the papers, the Times, the Journal, the Washington Post, whatever.
But then it was cable news.
So it was MSNBC, Fox News, CNBC to a much lesser degree.
CNN even to a much lesser degree.
But it was Fox and MSNBC were the ones that were really propaganda factories.
Fox was the right, MSNBC was the left.
And that's what you had.
And that's kind of still what you have if you're a boomer.
But now the internet has just opened the gates of hell so that it's every idea and every permutation of every idea.
So you get some really good ideas and some really bad ones.
And sometimes they're all in the same package.
joe rogan
But don't you think you get a lot more of an understanding of what is actually going on?
unidentified
Absolutely.
joe rogan
If you're listening to Jimmy Dore.
tim dillon
If you're all over the place.
joe rogan
Yeah.
If you're listening to Breaking Points.
Of course.
There's so many different versions.
tim dillon
There's so much information it verges on too much.
joe rogan
Well, it can be.
tim dillon
It can be.
joe rogan
It's almost impossible to keep up if you have a full-time job.
tim dillon
But I mean, it is much better than what it was when I was growing up and you were fed.
joe rogan
Oh, yeah.
tim dillon
So Bill O'Reilly would come on and feed you.
A narrative.
joe rogan
Well, the fucking weapons of mass destruction narrative.
That's responsible for the death of how many fucking people?
unidentified
Right.
joe rogan
Crazy.
Crazy.
tim dillon
And then it was like, Iraq didn't even make sense.
Well, it made sense for people that had a lot of money in it.
They wanted to knock over all these countries.
They really wanted to go into Iran.
joe rogan
They couldn't do it.
Well, you saw the Wesley Clark thing.
tim dillon
Of course.
joe rogan
That thing's wild.
tim dillon
They wanted to go into Iran.
They wanted to remake the entire thing.
joe rogan
Yeah, it's crazy.
When he talked about that, I remember watching that going, wait, what is he saying?
Like, they really have conversations like this?
tim dillon
Yeah.
Well, I think it really does come down to the fact that Listen, our system of government has a lot of benefits, a lot of...
There's a lot of...
I wouldn't want to live in any other country.
There's a lot of great things about our system of government.
So the idea of going like, shouldn't everyone have this stuff?
Some of it, sure, freedom of speech, all these things, you know?
Freedom of association, freedom of religion, all of the things that we, like, value...
When they talk about, we should go and give that country that.
Absent in that discussion, though, is number one, whether the country wants it, how we're giving it to them, if we're doing it at the barrel of a gun.
RFK talks a lot about how China has been really invested in soft power, building schools.
What are we doing?
Building bases.
What do people hate?
Military bases.
China's Belt and Road Initiative is like building schools.
Economically reaching out to people and trying to build bridges and expand China's influence in those parts of the world, namely Africa.
We've been doing it at the end of a gun for a very long time.
joe rogan
What China's done has been pretty fascinating because they have such an interesting way of running things.
I mean, it's horrible if you're stuck under the thumb.
But if you look at the way their government and their businesses all work together, no one can do anything that's bad for the government.
tim dillon
It's a hard country to not respect.
Even though you go, I don't want to live there, you have to respect them.
You're a fighter.
You respect an adversary who has strengths that you don't have.
China has strengths we don't have because- Adherence.
unidentified
Yeah.
joe rogan
Compliance.
tim dillon
They have a system of government.
Censorship.
Controlling people completely is probably a strength.
It's not a good thing, but it probably does strengthen the nation state to a degree by preventing...
The type of information from getting to them that would make them go, hey, we're getting fucked over.
joe rogan
Exactly.
Yeah.
But people probably know.
That's the thing that happened during Russia, during the time of the Soviet Union.
I would talk to this dude who was Russian.
He said nobody believed anything that was on the news.
Everybody assumed that it was all propaganda, no matter what the state news was telling.
unidentified
Right.
joe rogan
They kind of had this cynical perspective that they were trapped, and this is just how it is.
tim dillon
I've said it before, but we're a country of believers.
We're not that cynical.
We actually do believe in...
joe rogan
The thing about these places where they control people, it makes it very difficult to get creativity.
tim dillon
That's true.
joe rogan
You don't get any funny because it's too dangerous.
tim dillon
No irony, no funny.
joe rogan
Yeah, you talk shit about the wrong people, they're going to fucking kill you.
tim dillon
They'll get you.
joe rogan
Yeah, and you don't get any political disgust.
tim dillon
Did you hear about the show in Russia where it's like, let's find out who's gay and they literally put these guys in a house and one of them's gay?
joe rogan
Oh my God.
tim dillon
And they have to keep kicking them out until they find the gay one.
I mean, it's like hilarious.
Oh, that's funny.
The type of entertainment you get like an authoritarian country.
joe rogan
They have gang fights.
It's crazy.
They have gang fights in Russia.
tim dillon
Yeah.
joe rogan
MMA fights.
Where they have teams of 30 guys on one side and 30 guys on another side.
And they run at each other like Braveheart.
tim dillon
Right.
joe rogan
And beat the fuck out of each other.
Yeah.
And then we're in different color outfits.
unidentified
Yeah.
joe rogan
So they know who's who.
tim dillon
It is wild.
joe rogan
It's a wild place, man.
tim dillon
You gotta stop.
You gotta have a happy medium between that and let's have...
Seven-year-old drag queens.
And this is the problem.
Because we're not designed for balance.
The country is not designed for that.
And certainly the internet is really not designed for that.
The minute you acknowledge certain things and go like, yes, people should be able to pursue happiness as long as it's not at the expense of other people.
What tends to happen there is, you know, in freedom, you have a tremendous disparity between people that are going to abuse it, right?
joe rogan
Yeah.
tim dillon
And so then the answer for those countries is to give people very little freedom.
joe rogan
Right.
tim dillon
And to wrap it up either in religion or nationalism or whatever it is.
And then our country, we maybe go the other way, where we tell people, Your self-esteem and your sense of, you know, is at the expense, sometimes, of a cohesive society.
And that also becomes a problem.
So a lot of people now are looking at, like, what are the limits of a liberal democracy?
What are the limits of self will completely run rampant, you know?
If everyone in society is thinking only of themselves, their own happiness, pleasure at every moment, how do we have a cohesive functioning unit?
So that is the struggle.
That's the struggle is like finding a way for people to be able to have freedom without Infringing on other people.
And that doesn't seem to work.
Because as soon as you give people freedom, they go, you have to agree with me.
Or you're fired.
Or we'll take your kids away.
Or we'll whatever.
And that is what makes people throw the whole, go like, fuck it.
No freedom.
You know, it's like the abortion thing.
It's like...
Both sides of that debate have been in the trans thing.
They've both been hijacked by extremists.
There are people that believe that you should be able to get an abortion at any point during a pregnancy for any reason.
Then there are people that believe you should never be able to get an abortion.
Those are the only people we hear from.
The rational middle ground just goes to work.
That's the problem with all these debates.
We don't hear from sane people.
joe rogan
And if you chime in, if you have any sort of a balanced perspective or, you know, you're in the middle on these things, you're in the center.
If you chime in on these things, you just get attacked.
You get attacked by the strongest forces from both sides.
Yeah.
It's just very aggressive and most people want to avoid that in their life.
So if they do wait in occasionally and they get called out for it, you could get fired.
You can get in trouble.
They can contact your boss.
Do you know that your employee is a this or a that?
unidentified
Right.
joe rogan
And they support this and they support fascism and they support, you know, and they're like, oh, I don't want to hear this.
We're going to start an email campaign to boycott your company and like, oh, fuck.
tim dillon
That's why everyone should choose, like, really one terrible thing to be on the internet and they get to be it.
Whether it's a furry or a Nazi, you get to be like one thing.
joe rogan
You have to be one.
tim dillon
You have to be one.
You can't be everything.
joe rogan
What would you be?
tim dillon
It's confusing.
joe rogan
What would you be?
tim dillon
I don't know.
I guess furry, we're halfway there with the code.
But I just think you have to, you know, it's like, what's interesting about Caitlyn Jenner is trans person, also heavy MAGA, also rich athlete.
It's a lot for people.
It's a lot.
They go...
There are people that are hating her for different reasons.
There are people that love her and then hate her.
It's very interesting when you have those cross-sections of person.
Where it's like the trans people are like, we like her.
And then she goes, I'm against gay marriage.
You go, what's happening?
joe rogan
Yeah, like when Kanye put on the MAGA hat.
tim dillon
I was like, hey, yes, what's happening?
He's had an interesting run.
joe rogan
I bet he bounces back with this new album.
tim dillon
I bet he bounces back.
joe rogan
Especially right now.
tim dillon
We're going to see a lot more high-profile breakdowns.
joe rogan
Well, right now, you'll see more anti-Semitism than you've ever seen before.
tim dillon
It's a lot of it.
joe rogan
The stuff that Kanye said seems super mild.
tim dillon
It's super mild compared to what a lot of people say.
All he said was, I like Hitler.
That's fine.
joe rogan
By the way, I love Hitler.
tim dillon
That's not even the worst of it now.
joe rogan
I love everybody.
tim dillon
That's not even the worst of it now.
If your kids are only saying, I love Hitler, you're lucky.
Count yourself lucky if your kids are only going, I love Hitler.
joe rogan
Oh my god.
tim dillon
It's a lot of anti-Semitism now and it's a lot of people that are like, I don't know.
And I feel...
unidentified
It's open.
tim dillon
It's open.
People are going wild about it.
joe rogan
It's wild.
We've talked about it too many times already, but those hearings with that congresswoman was addressing the president of Harvard.
tim dillon
Why doesn't anyone lie?
Why doesn't anyone lie anymore?
Why didn't she go, what?
Nobody lies.
The fact that the president of Harvard can't lie scares me more than the discrimination.
joe rogan
I don't think it's a matter of that she can't lie.
I think it's a matter of she believes that those things are okay.
tim dillon
Ask me the question they asked her and I'm going to tell you what the right response was.
unidentified
Okay.
joe rogan
Does yelling, death to the Jews, constitute harassment?
tim dillon
I was in my office.
I thought they were saying death to the blues.
I had no idea they were talking about Jews.
None of that's going on.
I don't even know what's happening.
I go to work every day just trying to make this the greatest country in the world.
And apparently people are yelling about the Jews.
I don't even, of course not.
The Jews are happy.
Everyone's happy where we are.
Jews are happy.
Muslims are happy.
The things you don't see are the Jews feeding the Muslims the latkes and the Muslims making the hummus for the Jews.
You guys are seeing the bad stuff.
But we have, I mean, ooh, we have Jew and Muslim dance night every Thursday.
Like, just make shit up.
You know?
We desperately live in a time of intellectuals and we need to live in a time of business people who cut deals.
This is, again, an argument maybe for Donald Trump.
Intellectuals are rotting everything with their doublespeak and their...
What we need is people that realize the limitations of their own intellect.
Those are business people.
People that come in and go, you want something?
You want something.
Guess what?
Neither one of you is getting it.
But here's what you can get.
joe rogan
There's a smugness to those people, too, that's bizarre.
When the one lady was...
What university was it when the lady was smiling every time she went to answer the question and not answer them?
Thomas...
If it's actionable.
Right.
If it's actionable.
tim dillon
Right, if it's actionable.
joe rogan
If you are...
If you actually commit genocide?
Like, what are you saying?
tim dillon
Thomas Sowell, who's one of our great thinkers, said the thing about intellectuals, he wrote a whole book about it, they never have to be right.
unidentified
Right.
tim dillon
If you bake pies for a living, if you are a contractor, you cannot put up a house that falls down.
You cannot poison people with a pie.
Intellectuals can be wrong all the time without consequence.
The only thing is that whatever they say has to sound good.
That's why these people at Harvard are sitting there making no sense, because they know they don't have to be right.
All of the intellectuals in the early 1900s were all on board with eugenics.
They thought it was a great idea.
Only in hindsight was it like, ugh.
You know what I mean?
All these intellectuals were on board with the Iraq War.
It's stunning.
Go find.
Go look at everybody writing.
People were fired from, Chris Hedges, a journalist, fired for giving an anti-war commencement speech.
Most intellectuals were on board with that.
Now they all go, ooh, we're aghast at that.
So these people at Harvard are just trying to say things that sound good.
And they're not, because they know they don't have to be right.
There's no consequence in the real world for what they say, as long as it sounds good.
So they can say, hey, it's about free speech.
They don't believe in free speech at all.
But as long as someone goes, huh, that was a well-thought-out, well-articulated point.
It doesn't matter what they're saying.
I don't know.
joe rogan
Well, that's clear in those conversations.
unidentified
Right.
joe rogan
Because they're saying nutty things, like if it's actionable.
unidentified
Right.
joe rogan
Like she's just dancing around answering.
tim dillon
Just say no.
That's what I would have said.
Can we say we genocided the Jews?
No.
joe rogan
No, that's really bad.
tim dillon
I go, that's bad.
That's not good.
Who's doing that?
That's what I'd say.
joe rogan
But here's the thing.
tim dillon
I go, who's doing that even?
joe rogan
What is the fear?
Is the fear that the students will...
Attack?
What is the fear?
The fear is...
Because on campuses, I would imagine a lot of these progressive campuses, the pro-Palestine sentiment is the strongest by far.
tim dillon
For sure.
joe rogan
By far.
unidentified
For sure.
joe rogan
And it's probably a problem when someone has a pro-Israel stance.
They probably get swarmed.
tim dillon
These institutions now are fully...
They've been captured.
It's institutional capture, meaning that they don't want to say anything or do anything that gives the idea that they are backing an oppressive entity.
joe rogan
The colonizers.
tim dillon
The colonizers.
The bad guys.
joe rogan
The colonizers are the big ones.
tim dillon
So they're like, we gotta let people say whatever they want to say, and we're not gonna get...
Now, we don't want anyone getting hurt.
Maybe we'll give them the benefit of the doubt, but they're also saying we're gonna allow people to say...
You couldn't say that about trans people.
Couldn't call for the genocide of trans people.
joe rogan
Well, how about no one called for the genocide of Russians?
unidentified
Right.
joe rogan
There was never death to the Russians.
Like, that's kind of wild.
tim dillon
No genocide calling for at school.
joe rogan
But that is really wild, if you think about that one.
There wasn't a similar backlash against Russians.
tim dillon
Because Ronald Reagan said, oh, what do you mean recently or when we had the Cold War?
joe rogan
Even while this is happening recently with the Ukraine-Russia thing, Russians are fine over here.
They don't have any problem.
tim dillon
Because we don't view the Russians as a controlling party in our society.
There's a lot of people that view the Jews as the de facto rulers of America and the controllers of America.
joe rogan
Interesting.
tim dillon
You know?
And that's, I think, the reason for it.
I don't think we look at Russians as having that type of power.
joe rogan
Also, the scale of Israel's response in Gaza, it dwarfs everything that's happening.
tim dillon
It's wild.
I think it's not.
It's foolhardy.
I think strategically...
It's going to be an issue because what are they going to do now?
They're going to have a security role in Gaza permanently?
joe rogan
And it seemed like there was some Kamala Harris talk where she was talking about a country that was going to rebuild it.
unidentified
Right.
joe rogan
And they're in negotiations talking about rebuilding Gaza, which is like, hey, that's the fucking Ferris wheel.
tim dillon
That's the Ferris wheel.
joe rogan
It just keeps spinning around.
Here comes the money again.
unidentified
Whee!
tim dillon
I feel bad.
joe rogan
The money's going this way now.
Halliburton.
tim dillon
Yeah, I feel bad for people that are victims of anti-semitism.
For sure.
And that's legit.
And especially people in colleges are probably getting the brunt of craziness.
But then there is also, you also have a thing where Every criticism of Israel can't be anti-Semitism.
That also...
joe rogan
Well, how about the citizens' criticism of Israel?
They were in the streets, hundreds of thousands of them for months protesting against Yahoo.
tim dillon
So there is room, and there has to be room to say the course of action we disagree with.
I think it's unwise for the United States to allow and fund an open-ended Engagement in Gaza.
Open-ended.
We need like two years, two months.
joe rogan
They're already saying that it might be beyond the tipping point of rebuilding.
They've destroyed so much.
Have you seen the footage, the recent footage?
tim dillon
It's crazy.
joe rogan
Mosques.
tim dillon
It's not good.
joe rogan
Just bombing mosques.
Bombing buildings.
tim dillon
It's their moment.
What we did after 9-11 did not make us safer.
And I think they're having that moment right now where there's an understandable rage.
They are upset.
Hamas has their babies and women and children.
What Hamas did was strike at the heart.
That's what terrorism does, right?
You get to the core of a human being by saying, we're going to rip away the things from you that you care about the most.
This is the emotional...
Response to that I don't know how strategic long-term it is It's terrifying and I think it's it's unfortunately When you see women and children being killed that are innocent We got to minimize that this is you know,
if not, you know, we got a we get you know, this is why When we have a modern civilization, the whole point of being a civilized country is to minimize deaths of innocent people in these types of things.
joe rogan
Especially like that.
unidentified
Yeah.
joe rogan
I mean, that October 7th thing is so wild.
The music festival is fucking terrifying.
tim dillon
It's crazy.
No, and I understand why...
You have a situation now where Israel is in a position where they're going, well, we can't live with Hamas.
That's not going to work.
We can't live with them.
But there needs to be some two-state solution.
When I grew up, all we heard was that.
It never materialized.
It never came to fruition.
But then over the last few years, no one's talked about it.
No one's cared.
And I think it's become a situation where you have these elements, these radical elements in that society that are reacting to the very real and unending You know, like unlivability of that situation, you know?
Gaza's unlivable.
It's not a livable situation, the situation.
So then there's going to be people that are ultimately hopeless.
And that's where terrorism comes from.
It comes from people that feel like they have zero hope.
Nobody blows himself up or engages in this type of activity because they feel like there's a myriad of options for them in life.
You know, they might be polluted with fundamentalist religion, but where does that come from?
It comes from the idea that if somebody came to me and goes, blow yourself up.
I go, I don't want to.
I have a show tonight, you know, for law enforcement.
I have whatever.
I got stuff to do.
I don't have the greatest life in the world.
I don't even have to say that.
I have a raccoon coat on.
But the point is, I'm not gonna blow myself up.
No young 19 year old person should be at a point in their life when for a religion or a political faction or a government should be thinking of doing a kamikaze mission.
So you do have to address the political conditions that Create that level of hopelessness.
You do.
That doesn't mean that anti-Semitism is okay, and that doesn't mean that at every turn you're going to be able to convert people, that if they just want to kill Jews, maybe they're just going to kill Jews.
You have to eradicate that threat.
But you have to address those political conditions that create that type of desperation in people that turns them to that type of violence.
joe rogan
Have you ever heard Dave Smith talk about it?
tim dillon
Yeah, I heard a little bit on your show.
joe rogan
He goes deep.
tim dillon
He's deep in it.
joe rogan
And when you look at...
When it's all laid out, you're like, oh my God, how do you fix that?
tim dillon
It's very hard.
Well, I believe in a crusade.
I believe my fat aunt and uncle, the Christians, take it.
They come in on a Carnival cruise ship.
They come out.
The Jews and the Arabs go, what happened?
And then Big Daddy, the originals, the Christians, the ones who used to run it, come back.
They set up Dave and Buster's.
They're in there.
They're at buffets.
My aunt's pointing at the tomb where Jesus supposedly called out of.
She's taking a photo with it and her sandals.
You know, it's very hard to imagine fixing any of this stuff.
We're going to have to learn to live with some compromises.
And I don't only mean like political compromises where we go, you get this, we get that.
There's just some compromises in life where...
We're gonna have to just understand that certain areas might be dangerous.
joe rogan
Yeah.
tim dillon
You know?
Certain areas might be dangerous.
That's what it is.
Did we fix the South Side of Chicago?
Did we fix inner city, you know, East St. Louis?
Did we fix any of those?
No, people left.
So that's unfortunately what tends to happen a lot, is people go.
So I don't know that...
joe rogan
But how do they get out of Gaza?
That's the problem.
tim dillon
That's a problem.
joe rogan
That's part of the problem is it's kind of an open-air prison.
tim dillon
That's a problem.
They're going to have to go to some of the other Arab countries.
joe rogan
Are the other Arab countries taking Gaza refugees?
tim dillon
No.
Not a lot of them.
joe rogan
That seems like...
tim dillon
They should take some.
But again, I don't want refugees.
I almost agree with them there.
It's like, I don't want refugees.
If my family started calling me going, hey, our pipes froze, I'd go, oh, I'm sad.
That's horrible.
Wow.
Beat the hotel again, huh?
Well, we figured you got a house in there.
What?
It's a limit to the refugee game.
joe rogan
That was one of the funniest things about the New York crisis.
They were asking people to take them into their homes.
unidentified
No.
joe rogan
What are you talking about?
Some guy who walked over here from Guatemala and he's going to sleep with your kids?
tim dillon
It's crazy.
joe rogan
What are you saying?
Do you know that guy?
Is he cool?
unidentified
Yeah.
tim dillon
Here's the thing, and I know this is going to sound horrible because I think even if Jesus were to come back, he would even say, enough with the refugees.
I think, you know, we got to not fuck up the whole world and then take them all in.
Like this writer Steve Saylor said, he had a great quote, invade the world, invite the world.
Can't do it.
We can't go around fucking everything up and then all these people show up and we go, well, we owe them.
I don't know.
I didn't do it.
I didn't bomb them.
Well, you're tax dollars.
It's like, we have to stop letting people destabilize all these countries and then let them in.
We have floods of refugees in Europe.
joe rogan
Why do you think the refugees are coming in from the southern border like they are?
Why do you think they're allowing that to happen?
tim dillon
It's economic migration, and the reason is that a lot of these business owners and rich people benefit from cheap labor.
They want gardeners.
They want nannies.
They want chefs.
They want people doing their nails.
They want...
Do you think they've thought of that?
Of course.
joe rogan
Let's let them in so they can do our nails?
unidentified
Of course!
tim dillon
They don't want to pay American wages.
If you can hire someone at $3 an hour or whatever it is, off the books, illegal labor.
You know how many construction projects go up with illegal labor?
You know how many of these construction projects in Miami?
They're building like 20 new towers in Miami with floating bathtubs for Bitcoin criminals.
And God only knows, the Paul brothers, and God bless everybody.
I like them.
But they're building all these big, big towers in Miami.
How's that?
I'm not doing it.
It's illegal labor.
joe rogan
Is it really?
tim dillon
Oh, yeah!
Now, DeSantis shut that down, and all the construction projects are grinding to a halt.
Because there's a lot of illegal labor being used in putting up certain buildings.
joe rogan
Really?
tim dillon
Oh, yeah.
Oh, yeah.
joe rogan
Wow.
tim dillon
This is a huge part.
This is what...
Or we're to believe that the people living in Greenwich, Connecticut love El Salvadorians.
It's one of the two.
It's one of the two.
It's either that they're benefiting financially from it or there's a housewife in Greenwich going, you know, I'd love an Arepa.
joe rogan
New Florida immigration rules start to strain some businesses.
Some employers say they were losing workers because of the new law, which is championed by Governor Ron DeSantis.
And look at this photo.
A dude roofing a house.
Building a house.
tim dillon
We have this massive housing boom that was enabled not only by the low interest rates, but by you have to have people to build these houses.
What do you think D.H. Horton, all these companies, like, they don't admit to it.
joe rogan
So how do you mitigate that?
So you think that's literally why they're letting everyone in?
You don't think it has anything to do with voting?
tim dillon
Yes, it has a lot to do with voting.
joe rogan
It has to do with...
tim dillon
Certain demographics are better for the Democrat Party, and we know that.
However, Republicans up until recently...
Didn't care that much because they thought they could turn Latinos Republican, and some of them will.
Some of the Latinos are Catholics, and they go, we don't want to do gender monopoly and gender musical chairs or whatever games they're playing over there.
We're going to stick with, and a lot of Latinos don't vote.
So you have a large percentage of people that don't subscribe to the political system's bullshit.
Who cares?
joe rogan
Well, also, you have the Biden administration sending people back from Venezuela.
unidentified
Yeah.
joe rogan
Venezuela people who escaped the communist government.
unidentified
Yeah.
joe rogan
They were Republican.
Get out of here.
tim dillon
You gotta go.
So they don't want to let more Cubans in from Miami.
No.
But I think the economic interests of these people are we can bring in people that will do the work for nothing.
The Tyson chicken raid.
This was the big thing.
The immigration, the raid that whatever ICE or whoever did on the Tyson chicken factory.
This is a big story during Trump's term.
They raided that.
African American unemployment dried up in the months after that because the Tyson Chicken Factory had to hire Americans.
So when these companies are forced to hire Americans and pay American wages, they do.
But until they're forced to do that, they're going to rely on largely...
Illegal, unregulated labor.
And that's in their personal lives and private lives.
So if you can hire a landscaping company to come to your Hamptons house, or your house in Bel Air, or Greenwich, or here, wherever.
It's beautiful places here, though.
joe rogan
But it seems like such an insane strategy to just keep the border open.
It seems like such a fucking dangerous move.
Chicken plants lured them.
Feds jailed them.
How Mississippi's immigration crisis unfolded.
Ah, the chicken factories.
Undocumented workers were once considered an acceptable part of our economy.
Now they are demonized.
unidentified
Interesting.
joe rogan
Hmm.
tim dillon
And again, I'm not saying like this is a great thing to do these raids and obviously there's human costs, but what tends to happen when you lose illegal labor, you have to hire Americans and they don't want to do that.
Why is the Chamber of Commerce pro-immigration?
Why are the Koch brothers open borders advocates?
Is it because David Koch loves people from Central America, or is it because he wants to drive down the cost of wages?
He believes in a market rate, and a market rate is, hey, anyone will do it.
This is the problem with kind of that libertarian type of philosophy.
It just doesn't work if you import the third world to America.
joe rogan
Right.
tim dillon
That doesn't really work, because then you're setting wages.
People on Park Avenue in Manhattan go, yeah, yeah, yeah, what does that guy want?
$4?
Let's find someone to do it for $2.50.
joe rogan
So is this idea to try to compete with other countries that do this?
Like China?
tim dillon
That is one of the ideas.
The other idea is to get a ninth sailboat.
joe rogan
Yeah.
tim dillon
It's people that go...
Where are profits?
How can we...
joe rogan
Maximize.
tim dillon
Maximize these profits?
joe rogan
What's the bottleneck?
tim dillon
How can we maximize?
How can we put up...
joe rogan
We have a cheap labor bottleneck.
tim dillon
How can we put up a hundred houses for just the material cost and a minute labor cost?
joe rogan
And what do you think about...
There's a real...
I think there's a bill that just got brought up where they're trying to stop these companies from buying up Houses.
tim dillon
Yeah, BlackRock and all those things.
joe rogan
Yeah, and they're trying to stop them from doing that because they think that they're controlling the housing market.
tim dillon
Yeah, it's pricing single-family homes.
These are the big problem.
The big problem is single-family homes.
joe rogan
Hedge funds have invaded the housing market.
A new bill would ban them.
A sweeping new bill introduced in Congress would essentially ban hedge funds and private equity firms from buying single-family homes.
tim dillon
There you go.
joe rogan
This is interesting.
tim dillon
Yeah, this price is out a lot of people.
joe rogan
You think they're going to vote on this?
This seems like one that's going to be very interesting to see how they vote.
tim dillon
Well, it's going to be interesting.
joe rogan
Bill, which was introduced to both the U.S. Senate and the U.S. House of Representatives on Thursday, would, over a 10-year period, require hedge funds and large institutional investors to completely divest from single-family home ownership.
Called the End Hedge Fund Control of American Homes Act, the bill would require large funds to sell off 10% of their homes each year over a decade.
tim dillon
Well, basically what they want to do is create a nation of renters.
joe rogan
How do you feel about this, though?
How do you feel about a ban?
tim dillon
Well, there's a lot of people that own those houses that are not going to be happy with a ban because they want BlackRock coming in and giving them more money than the house is worth.
joe rogan
How much more do they give them?
tim dillon
They can give them 30% above.
joe rogan
Really?
tim dillon
Which is money.
joe rogan
And then they just lease those homes out.
tim dillon
And they lease them out.
It's part of this idea that...
Home ownership and automobile ownership and all of these things, you know, eventually are going to be replaced by more effect.
You know, Whitney Webb is somebody I've had on my show, and she's wild.
She's wild.
But she knows her stuff.
You know, Patrick David had her on, and when she came on my show, she made a lot of great points about these legacy systems that people want to get rid of.
And they go, rent a house.
Use Uber, Lyft, whatever.
You don't need to own...
What does owning do for you?
That's that famous article, you'll own nothing and be happy.
So I think the band would sort of put the brakes on that, I guess.
The problem is...
A lot of these companies find ways around these bands.
You've got to remember, these are the smartest people in America that become, and I don't mean smart like contemplative intellectuals.
I mean shrewd, effective sociopaths.
They're really adept.
When I say smart, I don't want people going, you think that.
I don't mean that.
I mean they're very effective at gaming the system.
They're 10 steps ahead of all these laws that are being passed.
I'm not saying it's a bad thing to pass the laws, but a lot of these people are already anticipating that and then how to get around it.
joe rogan
I'm fascinated to see how that bill does.
unidentified
Yeah.
joe rogan
Because it seems like they would put extraordinary pressure to make sure that that bill does not get passed.
tim dillon
They're not going to allow that bill to get passed.
joe rogan
It seems like you're going to find out who's on board and who's not on board.
tim dillon
Well, again, when RFK came on my show and called out BlackRock Vanguard, I know we did it on your show too, BlackRock Vanguard and State Street as these companies that own everything.
You know, I got a lot of messages from a lot of financial people going, well, everybody's portfolio is tied up in that.
This is part of the whole issue with everything.
It's the Thomas Sowell thing.
There's no solutions, there's only trade-offs.
It's hard to get honest at this deep in the scam.
That is our financial system.
It's like hard...
Any deleveraging, any winding down of the military-industrial complex, all of this will have ramifications in our society, financially for people, across the board.
Anything you want to...
I'm not saying you shouldn't attempt to do it, but anything like this.
You go, I don't like illegal immigration.
It's like, okay, your house has more money now.
You go, oh...
They go, okay, I don't want Chinese people buying real estate.
Okay, well maybe, and you know, maybe the, you know, Real estate industry is going to take a hit.
Not only realtors, but people that work in that business, right?
Property managers, interior designers, architects, people that stage homes, appraiser, whatever it is, people might take a hit.
This is part of the issue of where we're at now.
You ban BlackRock and all those things from getting in there.
That's fine.
And then, you know, people will take a hit.
financially with their portfolios.
joe rogan
But do you think that they...
How many people have to vote yes on this?
Like how many people are involved in this decision?
tim dillon
Well, it would have to pass two houses of Congress and then get signed into law by the president.
Now that seems very unlikely.
joe rogan
It's wild.
tim dillon
Seems very unlikely because BlackRock will have a great argument as to why they're helping people.
They'll get out there and they'll be like, hey man, We're here, and we're buying these fucking houses, and the people that we're buying them from love us.
The boomers love BlackRock.
The boomers will get on a BlackRock cruise with BlackRock shirts.
One of the problems in the American real estate market is boomers will not sell their houses for anything under a $1.6 million profit.
They just won't.
They won't, because they like to lord them.
They like to lord around them.
They like to make their kids feel guilty.
They like to go, you could never afford it.
They like to tell you how cheap the house was when they bought it.
And then, every Thanksgiving or Christmas, somebody will go, pick this up for 200 grand.
Now it's worth one eight.
And then it's their millennial kids are sitting there, saddled with student loan debt.
And the boomers are big.
It's their last fuck you before they leave the planet.
They're a spiteful generation of monsters.
I respect it.
But their last fuck you before they leave the planet is instead of selling their houses for, I don't know, a $900,000 profit, they just won't put them on the market.
Some boomers, which is hilarious, we read the articles on my show, they're actually retiring to bigger houses.
They're sizing up.
It's sick.
It's like insane.
And so that becomes an issue, too, of like, you know, it used to be like you would have a house, the kids would move, you'd stay in it probably for another 10 or 20 years, and then you'd get a condo.
And you'd go, I'm out.
What the fuck do I want to mow lawn for?
Now the boomers are going, this is the only thing we have?
That makes us truly valuable in society is that we own this like a McMansion.
And we're not giving this up.
We are taxpaying citizens and we are not giving this up.
And our kids are going to come here every year and they're going to suffer through the size of our house with nine empty bedrooms while they live in a two-bedroom apartment and we're going to chastise them for their decisions.
And their choices.
joe rogan
And the McMansion defines you.
And your car that you drive up to the McMansion Inn, all that defines you.
Where are you vacationing?
tim dillon
That's right.
joe rogan
Where are you going?
tim dillon
That's right.
unidentified
And they're going to go, they're going to go, they're going to go.
tim dillon
Because they all bought those houses for very little money, and they are going to hold them over everybody's houses until they are found dead in them.
They will not leave those houses until they're taken out in an ambulance.
The boomer, the most important thing for the boomer is to be right.
And that's their main thing.
They're not a soulful group.
They've been around forever, but they've attained very little wisdom.
It's actually kind of impressive.
They're the most American generation of people that have ever lived.
They're deeply selfish, self-aggrandizing, paranoid, delusional.
But one of the things that makes them right is what they have.
They go, well, how can I be wrong?
Look at this fucking house.
Look where we're sitting.
I've got 13-foot ceilings.
Don't tell me you know about Gaza.
joe rogan
You don't!
I have to pee so bad I can't hold it anymore.
I didn't want to stop your rant.
tim dillon
Let's pee.
joe rogan
Let's come back.
unidentified
Okay.
tim dillon
I don't know.
It might be microdressing.
joe rogan
Here's some brownies that'll send you to a new place.
tim dillon
I think I'm allowed to do psychedelics.
joe rogan
Yeah, why not?
tim dillon
I think I'm allowed.
joe rogan
What are you afraid of?
tim dillon
I don't know.
joe rogan
I don't think it's the Coke.
tim dillon
No.
joe rogan
No.
It's like the opposite.
tim dillon
Nobody does shrooms and yells about the importance of Donald Rumsfeld.
joe rogan
Did you do that?
tim dillon
I mean...
I never got the point of any...
Like, I would do acid and then go around to Garden City Hotel and be like, you know, these people have made it.
Like, I totally didn't.
Whatever was out there, whatever deeper lessons about the universe I should have learned, I did not.
joe rogan
You were young.
You were also...
tim dillon
New York City comic just passed away very sad.
A guy, Kenny DeForest, who was like a really funny guy who was a really good guy, too, and he was driving his bike in New York City.
And it's a fucking...
Life is just, it's like crazy.
joe rogan
He got hit by a car.
tim dillon
He got hit by a car.
joe rogan
I heard about that.
I heard that he was hospitalized.
tim dillon
And we're all like putting, you know, raising money and stuff.
And it's like, you know, it's tough.
It's tough because he was a great prey.
It's tough.
Life's a fucking nightmare.
joe rogan
Sometimes.
tim dillon
Sometimes.
Yeah, sometimes.
That's when you hope that there is a mechanism by which...
You know, there is whatever you want to call it.
joe rogan
An afterlife thing.
tim dillon
Yeah.
joe rogan
Yeah.
tim dillon
Where there's something makes sense because it's hard when you look at things like that.
You get very frustrated with life.
joe rogan
Yeah.
tim dillon
You know?
joe rogan
And then there's the inevitability of our own demise.
unidentified
Right.
joe rogan
Well, not yours, but mine, for sure.
tim dillon
They'll put you in some suit and fly you out of there.
Your demise is not as inevitable as your friend's.
You'll wave to us.
And then you'll call us from the spaceship and go, I'm trying to work out some type of deal here for some of you.
joe rogan
I'm the last dude who's going to get on that ship.
I'm going to stay right here.
tim dillon
No, I feel like you won't.
I feel like you'll just be like, hey, ma'am.
No thanks.
joe rogan
I'm not interested.
tim dillon
It doesn't seem fun up there.
joe rogan
I think it's a mistake.
I think it's one of those things, like I said, just because something's hard to do doesn't mean it's good to do.
You know?
I think it's the people trying to make their way across.
You ever see that show 1883?
It's one of the prequels to Yellowstone.
Yeah.
unidentified
Barbaric.
joe rogan
It's a really wild, wild show.
But it's that times a million.
Like, you're gonna land on some planet.
It's gonna be no air.
You're fucked.
tim dillon
Would you go up in a...
unidentified
Maybe.
tim dillon
...to just take a look?
joe rogan
Maybe.
tim dillon
That would be cool.
joe rogan
I saw Shachner did it, you know, Jeff Bezos and that, you know, went up in the...
Was it called Deep Blue?
Was that his spaceship?
tim dillon
Something like that.
joe rogan
Yeah, I mean, maybe.
Maybe, but I don't think so.
tim dillon
Seems safer than going to the bottom of the ocean.
joe rogan
Much safer.
tim dillon
That was a tough one.
That's submersible.
Go see the Titanic.
They sent the distress signal and then it just...
That's tough.
joe rogan
Did you ever see the CGI recreation of what would happen with that amount of pressure when the hole gives in?
unidentified
It goes...
tim dillon
It's just like...
joe rogan
You explode.
It's an explosion.
tim dillon
You almost don't feel it, right?
joe rogan
Oh, you don't feel it.
You're gone.
You're gone instantaneously.
You're mist.
You turn into pink mist.
Boom.
I mean, it's just the force of an insane amount of weight.
Yeah.
You're covered by an insane amount of mass.
The water is so deep.
That's so much fucking weight, man.
tim dillon
Yeah.
joe rogan
It's so crazy.
unidentified
It's such a crazy thing to do with your dad.
joe rogan
Well, it's a crazy thing to do with your son.
tim dillon
Right, that's a good point.
joe rogan
It's probably the billionaire dad's idea.
tim dillon
That's right.
joe rogan
That wild, crazy old fuck.
unidentified
Yeah.
joe rogan
He wanted to take his kid down and just, like, let's experience something wild.
Let's go on an adventure.
tim dillon
That's the thing about the boomers.
That's why they're here forever, is because they're just like, let's have lunch.
joe rogan
So this is the recreation of what it must have looked like.
So look how far that went down.
Look how scary that is.
That's brutal.
Look how scary that is.
3,800 meters.
Oh my god, that's so crazy.
That's what it says, right?
3,800 meters.
Oh my god.
tim dillon
And they're sitting just like that.
joe rogan
Yeah, they're just sitting in this fucking stupid tube.
Possible breakpoint.
jamie vernon
And this is what would happen.
And how fast it would be.
joe rogan
And look at this.
It's just...
unidentified
Boom.
joe rogan
20 milliseconds.
Brain pain response is 150 milliseconds.
You don't even have a chance.
Real time.
Boom.
That's it.
Gone.
Slow-mo.
tim dillon
And they found it, right?
That is what happened.
unidentified
Oh, yeah.
joe rogan
They found pieces of shit that are left from behind it after it implodes.
Fucking insane, man.
Look at the bodies.
Watch what happens here.
Imagine that experience.
unidentified
Just...
joe rogan
missed.
tim dillon
Let me ask you, do you think that fully shut down the industry of people going to see the Titanic?
joe rogan
No.
tim dillon
Or is it just giving people the opportunity to say, hey, we're doing it better?
joe rogan
We can do better.
tim dillon
That's the great thing about American capitalism.
There's definitely somebody going, hey...
That was a blessing in disguise because we are able, we have a luxury vessel now, and we have solved all of the problems.
joe rogan
Yeah, there's no problems now.
In fact, the president is going today.
He's going to see the Titanic.
tim dillon
It is perfectly safe.
Sadly, when those things happen, it gives us the ability.
I could even sell these things.
I'm like, yeah, it gives us the ability to just get better at what we do.
joe rogan
Yeah, I mean, this is the Jurassic Park argument.
tim dillon
Yeah.
Don't you want to see the Titanic?
joe rogan
A few people died, but we, those dinosaurs were, you know, it was an early prototype.
tim dillon
Yeah.
Yeah.
It is an unfortunate situation where you have probably, I hope they got to see it.
joe rogan
The Titanic?
They didn't.
tim dillon
Oh.
unidentified
Do we know that?
joe rogan
They got far enough down.
I think they died on the way down.
tim dillon
That sucks.
joe rogan
Didn't they, Jamie?
I don't think they made it.
And even if you get down there, by the way, you're looking at the Titanic through screens.
tim dillon
Who cares?
It's a shipwreck.
joe rogan
You could look at it in the same way above there.
It's just you're close to it physically.
So you're like, oh my god, I can't believe we're all the way down here.
tim dillon
Yeah, it to me is like, who cares?
I'm not impressed.
If somebody told me that, if I was at a party or dinner and somebody went, I went down and I saw the Titanic, I'd go, oh, I would not even ask a follow-up.
unidentified
Right.
tim dillon
Who cares?
joe rogan
Yeah.
Oh, my God.
tim dillon
Good for you.
Did you really?
Ooh, death tourism.
Oh, great.
Death tourism?
Yeah, who cares?
It's a psychopath thing to say, by the way.
unidentified
Yeah.
tim dillon
It's a crazy thing to say.
Go like, me and my dad went to see the Titanic.
It's like, that's not getting you laid.
That's crazy stuff.
joe rogan
Well, the first people that go to the moon and go to a moon base...
Right.
That's gonna be a wild one.
tim dillon
That'll be fun.
joe rogan
There's gonna be a lot of that, like really wealthy people that decide to go to the moon.
It's probably gonna be like 50 million bucks.
tim dillon
I think a little space tourism could be fun, but there's gonna be accidents.
joe rogan
Oh yeah.
Oh yeah, we're gonna lose some billionaires.
tim dillon
There's gonna be people that go.
joe rogan
Yeah, if we decide to go to the moon and we set up a hotel on the moon, we're going to lose a few people.
tim dillon
How close is the planet that's closest to us that can sustain life?
We don't know.
joe rogan
That's a good question.
I think they're all really far, like years at light speed.
tim dillon
So we're not getting anywhere?
joe rogan
It depends on what kind of propulsion system we have currently available.
See, what we're using now is all, we light things on fire and it pushes us forward.
Like I was saying about the rocket ships, every time they go up, how much carbon are they burning?
What the fuck are they doing?
How much of that is affecting?
If we're trying to stop global warming, what are we doing shooting rockets?
What's the big deal here?
If they can develop some new propulsion system, and I think, this is my theory, I think that's what all this UAP shit is all about.
What's UAP? Unidentified Aerial Phenomena.
It's a new way of saying UFO. When you're hearing all these disclosure talks and all this stuff, I think two things are happening simultaneously.
I think it's highly likely that there is intelligent life that's aware of us from somewhere else, and I bet they visited, and I would if I was them.
I also think that the government probably has in its possession some new form of propulsion that it uses for drones that is insanely sophisticated and above and beyond what we think is currently available.
Some Gravity-based propulsion system, and that's what a lot of these pilots are seeing.
That's why these things move in ways that no one has ever seen before.
That's why they can go into the ocean.
That's why they can shoot through the sky.
I think they're some kind of wacky drone that we've developed.
tim dillon
It's probably true.
joe rogan
When they're telling you it's aliens, that's the moment I stopped thinking it's aliens.
It's aliens all the way up until the government starts talking about aliens.
tim dillon
Yeah, that's a great point.
You're all in on aliens, and then when they're like, hey, it's aliens, we're like, fuck you, it's not aliens.
joe rogan
I'm like, nah.
tim dillon
There's no way you're being honest with us.
Oh, we've just decided to be honest with you.
joe rogan
For the first time?
tim dillon
Right.
joe rogan
Yeah.
If it was aliens and they did have aliens, they would say it was their shit.
tim dillon
They're just trying to, I guess you're right, just kind of see what this technology can do.
joe rogan
Also, it's a great way to get people off your trail.
If you just say, look, there's aliens.
We have no idea where these crafts are coming from.
They're from other worlds.
tim dillon
These planets that can sustain life, that are...
Light years away that we're unable to reach.
joe rogan
Let's find out where the closest one is.
tim dillon
Yeah, where is this planet?
joe rogan
Where is the closest planet that's in the Goldilocks zone?
They found, like they had this one planet, I think they were trying to call it Earth 2 or something like that.
But it's theorized because we don't really have the actual ability to get to that planet and like have high speed drones that get, you know, a high definition video.
tim dillon
See the atmosphere.
joe rogan
See the atmosphere.
Did you ever see that?
Which one of the alien movies was it where they landed on this planet?
One of the more recent ones.
The nearest potentially habitable planet to Earth.
14 light years away.
So if we can go at the speed of light, it's 14 years to get there.
Wow.
The planet more than four times the mass of Earth is one of three that the team detected around a red dwarf star.
But here's the problem.
That means if it's four times the mass of Earth, that means it's four times the gravity of Earth, right?
Doesn't that mean that?
Is that direct?
Is it one-to-one like that?
I don't know if that's one-to-one.
Because the moon is one-quarter the size of Earth, but it has one-sixth Earth's gravity.
unidentified
And there's probably life on that planet.
joe rogan
There could be.
tim dillon
I would imagine there had to be something.
joe rogan
Well, it depends.
I don't even know if we know what it's composed of.
It says a particularly exciting find because all three planets are of low enough mass to be potentially rocky and have a solid surface.
Potentially.
But it also could be a gas giant.
And the middle planet, Wolf 1061c, sits within the Goldilocks zone where it might be possible for liquid water.
Might be possible.
And maybe even life to exist.
Yeah.
tim dillon
So we'd be talking about a 14-year journey- At light speed.
Right.
If we could go the speed of light.
joe rogan
And we can't go the speed of light.
We can't even come close.
Unless these gravity propulsion systems are legitimate, in which case you could kind of go anywhere instantaneously.
The idea of this, the way it's been described by people like Bob Lazar, who supposedly worked on back engineering these spaceships- Right.
Is that it's like if you had a very soft mattress and you put an immense heavy bowling ball in the center of a mattress, it would push the mattress down.
So it like uses the gravity to push space-time to that spot where it wants to be.
unidentified
Yeah.
joe rogan
And then it unfolds again.
It sounds insane.
tim dillon
It's insane and it's beyond our comprehension, my comprehension.
joe rogan
It sounds totally like science fiction nonsense.
tim dillon
But what is happening, I think, is that, I mean, you know, you could imagine if DARPA was talking about the stealth bomber and things like that, you know, in the 70s or whatever.
Imagine what they're talking about now.
joe rogan
Eric Weinstein has some very interesting ideas about it.
And he thinks there's a separate branch of physics that has been secretly working on things.
He points this one obscure university in New York State.
Hogwarts?
No, it's different.
It has an insane physics department, like completely unqualified physics department.
And it's also connected to this hedge fund that does like Bernie Madoff type numbers.
unidentified
Yeah, there's gotta be.
joe rogan
Where everybody's like, what is going on here?
unidentified
Yeah.
tim dillon
There's got to be something going on.
Listen, the things that we're unaware of are vast.
And also, there's probably a lot of these billionaires privately funding stuff.
The government's getting in.
Everybody's kind of getting in.
That's kind of the book I'm reading where they're trying to create fake people, AI people.
joe rogan
This is a news network.
tim dillon
This is what they're doing.
It's all very creepy.
unidentified
And none of it seems like it's all going to be good.
joe rogan
It's not stable.
tim dillon
When they were creating penicillin, we're like, oh, we get it.
You get sick, here's the medicine.
This is odd.
This does not have a practical application that...
It tends towards, oh, that's going to be great.
joe rogan
Not good for truth.
No.
Yeah.
The Sam Altman thing was really interesting to me because I had him on the podcast.
tim dillon
Open AI. Yeah.
joe rogan
Very interesting guy.
And then he gets kicked out of the company and then they bring him back.
And then there was this talk that he wasn't straightforward.
And, you know, many people speculated that they think that Chad GPT has reached the standard to be considered AG. Yeah.
Like artificial general intelligence.
AGI. Right.
Which means it's alive.
It means you have this fucking thinking, calculating life form.
tim dillon
And Sam Altman left the company.
joe rogan
They brought him back.
tim dillon
They kicked him out.
I'm going to tell everybody about this.
joe rogan
No, no, no.
They kicked him out.
tim dillon
Interesting.
joe rogan
The board removed him and then brought him back on.
I don't know what happened.
tim dillon
I bet something happened.
joe rogan
Well, the thing is that they were saying that he wasn't being forthcoming or something to those, you know, something that sounds like that.
tim dillon
They know what's going on.
joe rogan
It's going to happen.
It's going to happen.
tim dillon
All the AI companies are moving to San Fran.
A lot of the big AI companies are moving to San Fran.
joe rogan
Giannis Papas used ChatGPT to show that SNL stole from him.
tim dillon
Interesting.
joe rogan
He asked ChatGPT, like, that's it.
Like, who popularized that term, that's it, and said Giannis Papas, used it for his character.
tim dillon
Interesting.
That's what ChatGPT is doing?
ChatGPT said that.
That's interesting.
joe rogan
Yeah.
tim dillon
Well, it's certainly a terrible time to be, you know, like one of these people who, you know, is paranoid.
unidentified
Oh, yeah.
tim dillon
Passed away, but she was paranoid.
She was a schizophrenic.
Now, it's like, are they schizophrenics?
Or are they?
Because if you are unduly paranoid now, oh my god.
It is just a daily dose of fucking stories.
That are like, Jesus Christ.
joe rogan
And we've gotten to the point where Alex Jones, despite all his troubles, makes sense.
Not just makes sense, but a lot of people are like, hey, what did he say?
tim dillon
Right.
joe rogan
Now he's back on Twitter or X, which is wild.
He's going to do a daily show.
tim dillon
Pointed out a lot of things over the years.
Some of them have been correct.
joe rogan
A lot of them.
tim dillon
A lot of them have been correct.
joe rogan
A lot of them.
tim dillon
So you can't discount...
Now some of them aren't.
But you can't discount what he says anymore as easily as you could have.
joe rogan
No, not as easily.
tim dillon
Prior to...
joe rogan
So much insanity has gone on over the last three years.
So many people are like, what the fuck?
tim dillon
Well, the erosion of trust in everything, from the government, media, church, every institution we have is completely kind of collapsed in terms of how we view them, and we now see how politically motivated they are, how corrupt they are, how criminal they are, and now that we're just left in a world of individuals, some of whom are truth-seeking, some of whom are sociopaths, some of whom are funny, some of whom are whatever, but now we're just kind of left with a world of people trying to figure it out on their own.
And it's pretty scary.
Because some of those people are going to build cults and communes and everybody's going to drink their poison and they're trying to go find a Hale-Bopp comet.
Some of them are going to build media companies.
Some of them are going to build AI bots.
Some of them are going to build...
And some of them are going to, you know, come up with new religions.
I mean...
But it seems to be now that everybody's operating outside of the institutions.
joe rogan
Yes.
tim dillon
And that the people that are still operating within the institutions are almost taking cues, a la the honest proposition, from people on the outside.
So it does seem like the institutions are rotting a bit.
joe rogan
They're trapped, too.
Especially the media.
They're so trapped in the television format.
That format sucks.
tim dillon
Well, it's just people not wanting to lose their job.
That's all it is.
It's people protecting their own revenue source.
That's all it is.
It'll go on as long as they can.
It's the most basic human desire to protect your family and your money.
joe rogan
And that's a thing that no one ever thought was going to go away.
tim dillon
And no one thought it was going to go away.
And now it's going away and the pace of it and the pace of change is disorienting and people are like, what the fuck's going on?
And, you know, now we're in the Wild West and the Wild West has its problems.
It has a ton of benefits.
We all know them.
joe rogan
Yeah.
tim dillon
A lot of information.
But then the Wild West has a lot of problems.
And it's deepfakes.
It's the AI stuff.
It's what is and isn't real.
What did and did not happen.
A lot of charismatic, cunning people are going to be able to manipulate this technology and, you know...
Rile people up about all manner of events that may or may not have happened.
Wait till they come with fake police shootings.
That didn't happen.
Wait till they just start manufacturing footage from something that did not happen.
And there's people in the street rioting about a thing that did not happen.
joe rogan
How far are we from that?
A week?
Because foreign actors could easily do something like that if they wanted to start some sort of chaos.
tim dillon
Oh, for sure.
joe rogan
Dude, for sure.
tim dillon
That's the type of stuff that you want to sow chaos.
joe rogan
And you could do stuff like that combined with a terror cell.
tim dillon
Yeah, and dude, people wouldn't believe that it didn't happen.
They'd go, the government's covering it up.
joe rogan
Right.
tim dillon
There'd be a lot of that.
joe rogan
Well, there's so much confusion.
That's the big problem with not having a main source of information that's reliable.
tim dillon
That's right.
joe rogan
And that people have to search around a lot.
A lot of people don't do it.
They don't search around.
tim dillon
Just make it Infowars!
Just make it InfoWars.
What's the worst that could happen?
If we gotta do one, he's been right enough of the time.
He's been right more than CNN. Just have it be InfoWars is our national news.
unidentified
That's our BBC. I mean, if you think about what they did, if you think about what these governments in conjunction...
joe rogan
What is this?
jamie vernon
He's back on Twitter.
joe rogan
Yeah, I was just saying that.
jamie vernon
He's been tweeting all day.
joe rogan
Oh, yeah, he's back on Twitter, but he also has a new show that he's doing.
At the end of the day, he's going to do...
After he does his main show, he's going to break down all the different things that they talked about.
tim dillon
What I'm going to do is when I'm on that next week, I'll FaceTime CAA, all my agents, and go, hey, because the thing is, they can't even get rid of you anymore because they just need you to sell tickets.
joe rogan
When you and him were on the podcast, it was one of my favorite times ever.
tim dillon
It's one of the greatest things I've ever been a part of and done, and I think it's this iconic moment of encapsulating The world at one of the wildest times ever, before an election, before a contentious election, and it was...
Yeah.
I mean, it was an amazing time.
In the red pill.
joe rogan
The old one.
tim dillon
The old studio.
joe rogan
Yeah.
tim dillon
It was amazing.
joe rogan
It was fun.
tim dillon
Yeah.
joe rogan
It was a fun time.
tim dillon
It was a good time and he was great.
He was really sharp and really...
joe rogan
The fucked up thing is how many things he was right about.
Like when he's talking about polio being something that kids are getting from this vaccine in Africa.
They had to stop giving.
They're like, what are you talking about?
And he pulls up this AP story like, holy shit.
tim dillon
Well, all the people that he calls out, listen, we always talk about this stuff, right?
He infiltrated Bohemian Grove and stuff like that.
It's like...
It's blatantly obvious to everybody that all of this secretive, you know, whatever you want to call it, whether it's you want to say deep state or whatever it is, they don't want anything they're talking about out there. they don't want anything they're talking about out there.
The real rationale for the decisions that are being made, they don't want out there.
They don't want that out there.
That's why Harvard and Yale and these places exist.
That's why all of these secret societies exist.
They're all groups that create loyalty amongst a group of very, you know, people that could be very powerful, certainly are usually very rich.
And they're just that's why all these things exist.
And then this guy comes around and breaks into one of them with cameras and shows all of those people in cloaks, mock-sacrificing an owl or whatever, or mock-sacrificing a child.
I think the effigy of a child with a big owl You know, it's creepy.
It would be creepy if those people were all broke.
Not only are they not broke, they're the most powerful people in the world.
It's doubly creepy, right?
Even if it is just a big orgy, whatever the hell they do, there's a lot that they don't want you to know.
And the fact that guys like him are out there...
They don't...
That is unsustainable.
They don't want that.
joe rogan
No.
That's not good.
I remember something I was going to talk about before when you were on a rant.
When we're talking about people existing in these AI realms, that this is probably going to...
Are people going to get indicted for crimes that are committed in virtual reality?
What I was thinking is these things are going to be run by the same kind of companies that run YouTube.
Yes.
Right?
And now imagine the restrictions that YouTube puts on content.
unidentified
Yeah.
joe rogan
I mean, YouTube would take you off if you had anything that didn't go with the COVID narrative.
They'll take you off if you have anything that doesn't go with the gender narrative.
They'll demonetize you.
They'll limit your reach.
They'll shadow ban you.
They'll do whatever the fuck they want.
Now imagine if that is life.
Imagine if most life now takes place in some sort of a digital realm that's owned by a corporation, and then that corporation decides to impose its ideology on all the people that exist in that realm.
tim dillon
Well, it's also like one of the things that was interesting in this book was when does a crime start?
This is very interesting.
joe rogan
Does it start with a thought?
tim dillon
That's right.
At what point does a crime start?
joe rogan
When can we stop it?
tim dillon
Because we have all this metadata showing kind of what you want.
We can create a composite of you and what you're thinking about.
joe rogan
Yeah.
tim dillon
When can we stop it?
These are all very interesting things that are going to come up, that are coming up right now, and these are debates that are going to have to be had as more and more of our life exists on these virtual platforms.
This is only the beginning, right?
We're still in the infancy of what this is all going to look like.
joe rogan
I don't think we can even guess.
I think it's going to be so fucking bizarre so quick.
And the thing is, if we get hit by something, like whatever took out the ancient Egyptians and civilization, if we get hit by something, there will be no evidence.
Everything's going to be on hard drives.
tim dillon
That's right.
joe rogan
You're never going to get it.
That's right.
No one's going to know what the fuck Aristotle said.
No one's going to know.
tim dillon
Someone's going to go, someone wore this coat.
joe rogan
Yeah.
tim dillon
They're gonna find this, they're gonna go, they were wearing this.
joe rogan
He had a spear and he wore that and he hunted the seals.
tim dillon
Right.
Little do they know.
joe rogan
They're never gonna read the work of Feynman.
It's all gonna be gone.
The books are gonna be incinerated.
It'll all be gone.
The hard drives will be rotted out.
tim dillon
It'll all be gone.
joe rogan
And we're gonna have to do it all over again.
And I think that's what they did.
I think that's what people, when you look at ancient Greece, I think those are the people doing it all over again.
And I think the real people that did it at the first were the Egyptians.
Whoever was around at that time that didn't have those insane monuments, but what we know that they did That's like the best evidence you could ever have in front of your face.
tim dillon
There's a there's a piece of this puzzle that's missing Definitely a big piece of the puzzle is missing and it is it is interesting to think about Because you know it's 20 it's about 2024 if you look back at 2014 And look at the changes to our society in 10 years, expedited by the pandemic and things like that, right?
Yeah.
You imagine 2034. It's going to get wild.
joe rogan
Oh my God.
tim dillon
It's going to get wild.
joe rogan
What is that going to be like?
tim dillon
Jesus Christ.
Is it going to be where me and you are able to meet for coffee in a virtual world of our choosing?
joe rogan
Most certainly.
That's already happening.
tim dillon
Things like that.
That's already happening.
joe rogan
That's already happening.
The Lex Friedman, Mark Zuckerberg podcast they did.
unidentified
Yeah.
joe rogan
What's that saying?
unidentified
Yeah.
joe rogan
It's insane.
They look exactly like them and it's just avatars talking.
Like eye movement, lip movement, everything.
They're wearing these goggles.
tim dillon
So that seems to be coming.
joe rogan
That's 100% coming and it's going to streamline.
It's going to be small and then it's eventually going to be in your body.
And then when it's in your body, you're going to have the ability to be anywhere at any time you want and not really where you are.
unidentified
Right.
joe rogan
Yeah, I mean, it's inevitable.
And then also, communication with people of all these different languages instantaneously.
Either we'll have a universal language, or we'll have instantaneous translation to the language of your choice, and there'll be no confusion anymore.
tim dillon
It's going to feel silly that we were debating whether the background actor who was a hot dog guy could be reproduced without his consent.
And I understand why we've got to have all those discussions, but things are going to get so crazy that we're going to look back at that and go, oh, that was cool.
joe rogan
They're doing this.
There's a dam, and it's leaking, and they're doing this with their fingers, and it's not enough.
That thing's gonna come down, and I don't think there's anything we could do about it.
I think AI actors are inevitable.
AI films that are amazing, that are entirely designed, written, performed by AI. I think it's inevitable.
And I think when the first one comes out that's a fucking banger, we're gonna be all on board.
Because you can fail with- What is this, Jamie?
jamie vernon
Have you seen this commercial going around recently?
unidentified
No.
jamie vernon
I'll play it for you.
It's pretty interesting.
joe rogan
AI pin.
jamie vernon
You've seen it on TV a lot over the last few days.
joe rogan
So it's a pin you carry with you instead of having a cell phone.
jamie vernon
Right, you wear this.
unidentified
Isn't life about what we experience?
jamie vernon
And there's multiple companies with these out right now.
unidentified
Can I eat this?
Yes, dragon fruits are low in sugar.
What we hear- Hey, what should I get here?
What we see...
joe rogan
Yeah.
jamie vernon
So this is sort of like in between.
joe rogan
Would it be nicer if that was embedded in your wrist?
tim dillon
Just give me the chip.
And by the way, human to human experiences when it comes to customer service and things like that, they've been declining because everyone's so used to the internet.
People are like person to person.
You walk into a store now, people are running away from you.
They don't want to help you.
It's better.
Let's just do this.
unidentified
Are you playing songs from the last time we were here?
jamie vernon
So she said play a song from last time we were here.
It's recording stuff all day.
joe rogan
Oh boy.
jamie vernon
Translating it and putting in some sort of files so they can go and reference it.
joe rogan
Oh, the NSA's gonna get ya.
jamie vernon
You could ask it to recall stuff.
What was Tim saying yesterday at 2 o'clock?
tim dillon
Well, don't do that!
Don't do that!
joe rogan
Fun times.
tim dillon
2 o'clock was a rough hour for me.
joe rogan
There will be no more secrets.
In the future, mind reading will be everywhere.
You will never get away from your thoughts, other people reading your thoughts.
Everyone's going to know.
How much money you make, where you live, everything about you, it's gonna get fuckin' squirrely.
tim dillon
It's your life, but for everyone.
It's like the life of a celebrity, where people know those things because people write about them.
unidentified
But way more.
joe rogan
They will know your thoughts.
tim dillon
Yeah, it'll be intrusive.
joe rogan
At every moment.
tim dillon
It'll be intrusive.
joe rogan
Intrusive.
I mean, there's gonna be people that decide to opt out, shut it off, but then...
tim dillon
I guarantee that you're not going to be able to go to the Christmas village.
Like, it's going to be the holiday village.
joe rogan
You probably can't fly.
tim dillon
Yeah.
joe rogan
Unless you have a ship.
tim dillon
They're not going to let you do it.
joe rogan
I want to know if you're a terrorist.
tim dillon
Yeah, that's right.
joe rogan
You can't fly in this plane.
What if I think you're going to take over the cockpit?
tim dillon
We're going to live in a time of certainty.
And that's going to be scary because it does kind of take some of the romance, interest, like, some of the excitement out of life is knowing everything.
joe rogan
And in the middle of all that, that's when AI is going to just start running shit.
tim dillon
And start going, get out, get ready.
Isn't the fun of sitting across the table from somebody going, what's that guy or woman?
Like, what are they about?
joe rogan
Right.
Oh, I like it.
Obviously.
tim dillon
There's something interesting about it.
You've done it more than anyone.
Like, to me, it's like, if...
If we just live in a world where everybody's thoughts are kind of available, it seems like...
joe rogan
I think it's coming, man.
tim dillon
Yeah, no, no, no.
I don't doubt it.
joe rogan
I don't think we can stop it, and I think it's going to be the thing that transcends us.
The thing that moves us from what we are now into what we're going to become.
I think it's going to happen technologically.
I don't think it's going to happen biologically.
tim dillon
What do you think?
Put a year on it.
2030?
No, no, no.
joe rogan
I don't even think we have that much time.
unidentified
No!
joe rogan
I think we have a couple years.
I think we have a couple years before things get real strange.
Because I think artificial general intelligence is going to emerge.
And when they start implementing it, and if they decide to implement it in government, that's when things are going to get really crazy.
tim dillon
Right.
joe rogan
If they can figure out a way to stop corruption through artificial intelligence, who's not going to be on board?
If artificial intelligence can make all transactions completely equitable and fair and morally just and righteous and make an even distribution of government finance to take care of all the complex problems that we have in society.
tim dillon
Well, that's when they'll shut it down.
joe rogan
That's when they'll go fast!
But if they can sneak their way in, if they can sneak their way in and run things.
And then, you know, what if artificial general intelligence decides that eugenics is a really good idea?
Sure.
Because it's what we do with certain animals.
We don't let bad dogs that like to bite people, we don't let them breed.
tim dillon
For sure.
joe rogan
Yeah.
What if that happens?
tim dillon
What'll happen?
joe rogan
It could get real weird.
And I don't think anybody has any idea how weird, because I think we all just have to see.
We have to see where all this stuff goes.
tim dillon
We have to see what happens.
joe rogan
And if artificial general intelligence, once they start using it to make better technology, wow, that's going to be crazy.
tim dillon
Doesn't it feel like comedy will be one of the last things, though, to get affected?
joe rogan
For the biological humans that remain, the last days of their lives, they'll be chuckling and drinking and smoking cigarettes and trying to avoid cancer.
And then the new humans will take over.
tim dillon
And they won't want comedy.
joe rogan
They don't want comedy.
tim dillon
They're not going to need it.
unidentified
They don't care.
joe rogan
They're not going to care.
They can just be happy anytime they want.
They're going to be able to manipulate their own...
tim dillon
Do you think you'll ever interview an AI bot?
joe rogan
100%.
tim dillon
Interesting.
joe rogan
Yeah, I think there'll be someone sitting there, like that lady from fucking...
Ex Machina.
tim dillon
That's crazy.
joe rogan
And you'll be like, thanks for doing this.
Yeah.
That's crazy.
Yeah.
Guarantee you.
tim dillon
That's a crazy thought.
joe rogan
That Ex Machina movie is so fucking, it's so perfect for right now.
Go, please.
It's one of my all-time favorite movies.
I've watched that movie at least five times.
Someone listening to this, go watch that fucking movie because that's common.
That's coming.
tim dillon
I love the end of it.
I won't give a lie.
The end of it's creepy.
joe rogan
It's amazing.
The whole movie's amazing.
tim dillon
It's amazing.
joe rogan
The guy who plays the dude from Star Wars that plays the genius guy that invents it.
What's that guy's name?
tim dillon
But maybe we need this.
If we're just going to fight about Trump forever, maybe we just...
joe rogan
Oscarizers.
tim dillon
Maybe a couple of bots.
Throw a bot or two in.
joe rogan
This is the last gasp or biological existence, the Trump election.
tim dillon
It's so funny that you're probably right, and that's what we're doing.
It's like the last thing human beings can do is yell about Donald Trump.
joe rogan
Yep.
This is it.
tim dillon
On these apps.
joe rogan
Trump, Putin, Xi Jinping, and then boom.
tim dillon
This is the last human leaders we have.
joe rogan
Yeah.
All right, Tim Dillon.
I love you.
tim dillon
Joe Rogan.
joe rogan
You're the fucking man.
tim dillon
Thank you so much.
joe rogan
My pleasure, brother.
We're going to have fun tonight.
Yes.
tim dillon
I'm excited.
joe rogan
Thanks, buddy.
Everybody, watch Tim Dillon's show.
unidentified
It's fucking amazing.
Thank you.
joe rogan
Podcast is incredible.
Netflix special.
Everything.
tim dillon
TimDillonComedy.com for live tickets.
joe rogan
It's me and AI. Let's go.
unidentified
Thank you.
All right.
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