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Sept. 30, 2023 - The Joe Rogan Experience
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Joe Rogan Experience #2042 - Joe List
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The Joe Rogan Experience.
Train by day.
Joe Rogan Podcast by night.
joe list
All day. All day.
It's fucking awesome.
joe rogan
We did it right.
joe list
What an atmosphere.
joe rogan
Yeah.
joe list
Great green room.
I mean, that's the only green room you can smoke cigars in.
That's not true.
I was just in Nashville at Zaney's and the manager was very nice and he was like, you can smoke a cigar if you want.
joe rogan
Oh yeah, Zaney's is great.
joe list
But I was like, I don't think I'm doing smoke a cigar in the green room numbers.
You know what I mean?
I'm like, I gotta add a couple shows before you're lighting a fucking stick in the green room, I think.
joe rogan
I think when we were in England, they told us that if you smoke inside, it's like a severe fine.
Something really crazy.
So you can't even smoke in the green room in England if you do shows.
joe list
Right.
Yeah.
Mostly I don't like smoking indoors because you fucking stink and the secondhand smoke can bother me.
But your green room is really well ventilated also.
unidentified
Yeah.
joe rogan
You see there's big vents in the ceiling in that place when you go in there.
We set it up on purpose so that people can smoke in there.
joe list
No, I like when you can just watch the smoke just go straight out.
You're like, this is nice.
joe rogan
Yeah, because some of the comics smoke cigarettes and, you know, and, you know, you want to suck the air out.
You don't want everybody to be subject to it.
joe list
It's a wet dream in there.
Have you had anyone get too fucked up where you're like, dude, you gotta...
Because all I think about when I was drinking, if you just had whiskey and booze with, like, help yourself, there's got to be a few people that are going to be problematic at some point.
joe rogan
Everybody's been keeping it together so far.
joe list
Okay.
joe rogan
We'll see.
We'll see as the crowd grows.
joe list
I'm interested.
It feels like the kind of thing I come back in a year, and there's a safe with all the booze in it, and they're like, yeah, fucking so-and-so came in and ruined everybody.
joe rogan
Nah, I don't think there's that many of those super off-the-rail guys left.
joe list
I think that's a good point.
My wife and I talk about this a lot, but I think maybe because we're older, though.
I'm sure there's a bunch of comics in their 20s that really get after it.
joe rogan
Yeah, I bet that's true.
Yeah.
We just probably don't know them.
I'm thinking like established comics.
Because there was like established comics when I was coming up that were like national headliners that you just knew were off the rails.
joe list
Yeah, I actually think it's very difficult to sustain boozing that hard and be successful.
joe rogan
Most of it was coke.
When someone was like an off the rails guy, like completely out of control, it was booze, but it was a lot of coke.
joe list
Right, were you over a Coke guy?
joe rogan
No.
joe list
No, me either.
joe rogan
Yeah, that's what I want to say.
joe list
I was too afraid of snorting a thing.
And then no one ever said good things about coke to me.
Until later, I heard every once in a while.
But mostly people were like, ah, don't do coke.
It makes you crazy.
Your heart's gonna explode.
Like, people didn't sell cocaine to me.
joe rogan
Well, it just didn't seem like the people that I saw doing coke were going anywhere.
It just seemed like it was tripping up their life pretty bad.
joe list
Right, right.
joe rogan
I was very fortunate that when I was in high school, my friend, his cousin, was selling it.
And his cousin got addicted to it.
And I watched this guy go from being like a normal guy to being this, like, The person who just like hung out in this attic apartment and lost all this weight and just like, they just did coke and watched TV and sold coke and...
It's like you got bit by a vampire.
joe list
Yeah.
You know?
I'm always afraid my heart is gonna explode even without doing coke.
Like I actually have like a, my heart will raise and I'm just so paranoid about heart.
Does, does heart shit ever fuck you up?
Like mentally, that fact that your heart beats every second or whatever for 80 years and if it stops, that's the end of it.
joe rogan
That's how it works, Joe List.
joe list
I know, but does that ever trip you out a little bit?
I don't want to sound like, it's fucking crazy, man, but I'm like, that's nuts.
joe rogan
It is nuts.
Yeah, and if it stops, you're dead.
And if you get a transplant, it's a motherfucker.
They're trying to do pig transplants now.
They did it on this one guy and one person.
I don't know if it was a guy or a gal or a non-binary folk, like a fisher folk.
But they did it and the person stayed alive for a short amount of time.
I think it was like a couple weeks.
joe list
So they just jammed a pig heart in there?
joe rogan
It's a modified pig heart somehow or another.
Pig parts and human parts apparently are like super similar in some way.
joe list
I've fucked a few pigs.
Hello folks.
joe rogan
You son of a gun.
What does it say here?
How long did the man with the pig heart live?
He lived for 61 days.
joe list
Hey, that's not bad.
joe rogan
That's not bad.
Research and working on the new pig to human transplantation technique for over 30 years.
If successful, harvesting hearts from genetically modified pigs whose genes have been altered so they can be safely transplanted to humans may one day be a reality.
Wow.
I think on the way to that, though, I bet they're going to 3D print hearts.
joe list
Yeah, I think so.
I think, you know, as scary as AI is, I think all our problems are over, dude.
We're going to be making hearts and brains and all kinds of shit.
joe rogan
We're going to be connected to the Matrix, eating steak, being an important person, like Joey Pants.
joe list
Yeah, we're going to be great.
I'm going to have perfect eyesight and a strong jawline by the end of the year, I think.
joe rogan
You're not going to stop there.
You're going to look like He-Man.
joe list
I'm going to go fucking big chest.
joe rogan
You're going to go Superman.
You're going to go the Hulk.
Why wouldn't you?
You want to be a fucking human when you can be a superhero?
If you can genetically alter yourself to make yourself more masculine and thick and bigger and stronger, why would you stop at three?
We didn't even go to 26. Right.
joe list
Well, I don't think I could be more masculine, but I do feel like I would like, yeah, some more girth and really...
joe rogan
If that could be done genetically, though, where would you stop?
That's the question.
joe list
Right.
joe rogan
People would get ridiculous.
It's like when people don't...
I mean, I'm sure you've seen those Instagram videos of people with fake butts walking on the beach.
joe list
Yes.
joe rogan
They just went so far.
It's like, what?
This is great.
You're going to die.
That stuff can't be good for you.
What is that?
joe list
Yeah, I see it all the time.
You just look imbalanced.
It doesn't look good.
joe rogan
It looks insane.
It's an insane look.
But my point is, if they can do that with genetics, if it ever gets to a point where the mold of what we think of as the human physique has been completely thrown out the window, because now we're going to alter it from its very core to be a completely different structure...
We're going to just change what a person looks like.
People are going to be giants.
They're going to be dragons.
It's going to be fucking real life cosplay.
unidentified
Right.
joe list
Do you think anybody will be like, I'm sticking with this.
I'm going long and thin.
joe rogan
Oh, there's going to be a few people that pretend for a little while.
Well, those are the same folks that say, I don't even have email.
Fuck you.
joe list
Right.
joe rogan
You got email now, bitch.
unidentified
Right.
joe rogan
You know, like in 2001, you might not have had email.
You know, but I bet you have it now.
joe list
Yeah.
Well, you have to have it now, I feel like.
joe rogan
Yeah, you kind of have to have it now.
joe list
I enjoy email.
That's my take.
joe rogan
Well, it's certainly better than not having email.
I mean, people are like, well, and the privacy, and they're hacking your email, and they're sending you these scams, and yep, yep, that's what comes with this new thing.
joe list
Well, I just had a friend who works for some business that was getting, I don't know all the details, nor would I share them if I had them, but their company was getting sued or something, and then they just accessed his emails, and now they have 100% of his emails.
Ever email a fucking joke like, hey, I'm gonna kill that guy or anything, because they have it.
We should do all phone communication.
Maybe they're listening to the phones, too.
I don't know.
joe rogan
Yeah, I'm sure they are.
I think they didn't lock that down quick enough.
And when Edward Snowden exposed the NSA's gigantic sweeping surveillance system, Sort of thing.
And it's all under the guise of stopping terrorism, which, by the way, you fucking never hear about anymore.
What happened to terrorism?
joe list
We nailed it.
joe rogan
Climate change took the spot of terrorism.
joe list
Well, we stopped it.
Patriot Act worked, baby.
joe rogan
It must have.
joe list
We did it.
joe rogan
It must have.
Otherwise, they'd be talking about it.
joe list
We done did it.
joe rogan
Do you remember when, after 9-11, there would be a threat level, like a code?
Today's code is yellow.
joe list
It was like forest fires.
joe rogan
Like, okay, we're good.
Yellow's good.
joe list
Right.
joe rogan
You know, I have to bring a bulletproof vest to Starbucks.
joe list
Yeah, it was scary as fuck.
It was like, they really got to us.
But they nailed that terrorist attack.
I mean, they knocked it out of the park, so...
joe rogan
It was certainly one of the all-time great terrorist attacks in terms of publicity, in terms of how it affected the world.
joe list
It's gotta be number one, right?
joe rogan
Yeah, but it's just a crazy thing that an action like that changes your rights forever.
Changes everybody's rights forever.
joe list
But don't you think, someone was just debating this somewhere, doesn't it feel like COVID feels like it changed life more than 9-11?
Like 9-11, it's now like shoes and you can't, at the airport, and you can't go to the gate.
unidentified
Right.
joe list
But other than that, it doesn't really feel that different.
Whereas COVID does feel different, where like cities have emptied out, and people still wear masks, and six feet, it's just much more, life feels more different after this than it did 9-11, in my opinion.
joe rogan
Well, because COVID got everyone to comply.
COVID got everyone to do things that whoever was on television was telling you to do.
joe list
Right.
joe rogan
It became a different thing where there was an experimental medication and you were encouraged to take it.
And if you took it, you wanted other people to take it too.
This is a fucking thing that people do.
When they do something, they want you to do it too.
And especially if they can connect what they did with doing the right thing, they want you to do it.
People do that with everything.
They do that with yoga class.
You don't think they do that with vaccines?
joe list
No, I think this all the time in New York, where you see one person starts crossing the street while the light is green, and literally the entire herd starts following them.
And then a car comes like, fucking, and then they have to jump back, because they were just watching that one person.
joe rogan
Yeah, happens all the time.
People go, well, that's also cell phone brain, too.
unidentified
Right.
joe rogan
Because people are constantly checking, oh, we're walking now?
And they just will walk.
joe list
Yeah.
Did you know, I heard this recently, that gum sales have gone down, gum and candy, because people are looking at their phone in line, at like CVS, instead of just staring at, you know how they have the gum and candy underneath the register?
joe rogan
Oh, interesting.
joe list
Yeah, that's what I, I don't know if I read it or heard it, but like, before you'd be staring going, oh man, I could go for a Milky Way, but now instead you're looking at, you know, a pigeon shitting on a guy.
joe rogan
That completely makes sense.
joe list
Yeah, so...
joe rogan
Yeah, that really makes sense.
Of course.
Yeah, people just want, that's a new distraction.
I wonder if it's the same thing at the supermarket, when those stupid tabloids, one of their selling less.
joe list
I would imagine so.
joe rogan
Who's buying that now?
joe list
Well, they have tabloids built into the phone.
joe rogan
Yeah.
Also, like, the stories aren't outrageous enough.
joe list
Right.
joe rogan
Compared to what's like real online, it's mostly fluff pieces because you have to get celebrities to agree to do them.
Like, you know, us and people and all those.
joe list
Right.
I'm blown away by...
We were talking about this before you got here.
Like, I'm grateful.
I'm not into this dark web.
My algorithm is all like baseball and Martin Scorsese.
I didn't like...
Duncan Trussell last night was talking about some crazy shit he sees on the internet.
Like children shooting each other.
And then I was on your mom's house and they were like showing videos of dicks being peeled back and inserting cushions into dicks.
joe rogan
Cushions?
unidentified
Or what?
joe list
I don't know.
Something where they put...
Do you know what it is?
They had some guy had a big pad under his hand.
They're putting...
I don't even know what it is.
Like...
Do you know what I'm talking about, Jamie?
joe rogan
A pad under his hand?
joe list
Yeah, I don't know the terminology.
People put horns on their dick.
It's some kind of product that puts bumps in you.
joe rogan
Yeah, body modification.
joe list
Yeah, one guy had a spider on his palm, or whatever the fuck this is, the top of your hand.
joe rogan
Oh, yeah, they give themselves horns and shit.
joe list
Yeah.
joe rogan
Yeah, bumps all over their head.
joe list
I don't know what made me think of that.
Oh, just that those videos exist.
I wasn't getting those.
I feel so naive.
I'm like, did you see this Tommy Lasorda saying motherfucker video?
And other people are looking at dicks being altered.
joe rogan
Yeah, if you can get in the wrong algorithm on Instagram, it can be quite disturbing.
And I'm definitely in the wrong algorithm.
joe list
We gotta get you back.
joe rogan
I don't think I can get back.
I think they have me now, because if they send it my way, I'm gonna look at it.
Because it's all, there's so many murder videos.
joe list
Well, I feel like, I just was saying this recently, like, it took me a long time to really get got by the algorithm.
Like, I was kind of like, I don't know what that is, but they finally figured me out, and it's, like, behind-the-scenes baseball sports shit, people talking shit in the locker room.
joe rogan
That's right.
joe list
That, and, like, and filmmakers breaking down, you know, Kubrick or whatever.
You know John Boy, you know that guy on YouTube?
joe rogan
No, I don't.
joe list
Oh, he's awesome.
joe rogan
Yeah?
joe list
It's a great hole to go down.
We were talking about it before.
He lipreads all these baseball fights and arguments.
You know when the umpire manager are fighting each other?
He's like a professional lipreader.
And he's hilarious.
And there's a million video.
You've got to see it.
J-O-M, boy.
You'll love it.
Get in that algorithm, because he's awesome.
But it's fucking hilarious.
It's like my childhood prayers have been answered.
You always watch the manager umpire scream and you're like, what the fuck are they saying?
unidentified
Right.
joe rogan
And they probably swear horrible shit at each other.
joe list
Oh, it's all cocksucker and motherfuckers.
It's cocksucker and cocksucking this.
And horseshit is the other big one.
A lot of horseshit and cocksucker.
And I've been trying to get those in my life more.
joe rogan
Bring them back.
joe list
Cocksucker's fun.
joe rogan
Cocksucker's fun.
Joey Diaz always used it as a term of affection.
joe list
What's up, cocksucker?
Like, hey, cocksucker?
joe rogan
Yeah, what's up, cocksucker?
And when he said it, it was fun.
joe list
Well, you are bringing joy if you're sucking cock.
joe rogan
You are, but he's not saying it in that way.
And so there's other ways, like, words have different meanings.
Like, if you catch someone stealing your tire.
unidentified
Mm-hmm.
joe rogan
What's up, cocksucker?
joe list
Right.
joe rogan
It's a different one.
joe list
Sure.
joe rogan
But if Joey Diaz calls you out, what's up, cocksucker?
You're like, what's up, Joey?
joe list
Yeah, it's very sweet.
It's all context.
joe rogan
It's a different, yeah.
It's also the word, you know, the word can be a term of affection.
joe list
I'm not really a call-a-guy-stealing-my-tire-a-cocksucker kind of guy.
I'm a big 9-1-1.
I'd be like, 9-1-1, this guy.
joe rogan
You're just going to get your tire stolen.
unidentified
Yeah, yeah.
joe rogan
You're going to wait for hours.
unidentified
Well, I'd call the police and, you know, see what happens.
joe rogan
Yeah.
joe list
I mean, it depends on what kind of guy it is.
joe rogan
Right.
joe list
I might be able to fuck him up.
joe rogan
What if it's Duncan?
joe list
Drussell?
joe rogan
Yeah.
joe list
What, does he have a tire iron?
joe rogan
That's a good point.
joe list
Because that's a weapon.
joe rogan
That's a good point.
joe list
Yeah.
joe rogan
Well, where is the tire iron positioned?
Because the tire iron is positioned on the actual lug nut itself.
You're an advantage.
joe list
Right, I could probably take his back, as they say.
joe rogan
Yeah, you're gonna smash him before he gets to that thing.
joe list
Now, dude, let me ask you this.
If you see a guy, he's crouched down, he's fucking with your car, and you're behind him, are you going blunt force to the head, or are you gonna take his back and choke him out?
joe rogan
Depends on how big the guy is.
Depends on the situation.
You hit someone with shoes on, it's really tricky legally.
joe list
Hit someone with shoes on?
joe rogan
Yeah.
unidentified
What do you mean?
joe list
Them or you?
joe rogan
If you hit them with your shoes, it's kind of a weapon.
joe list
Really?
joe rogan
Yeah, I think they look at it differently.
I think even if, like, you had, like, these things on, like hokas, like running sneakers, I think it's still a weapon, which is ridiculous, because it's actually way softer than if I hit you with my bones.
joe list
So you gotta take your shoes off to kick a guy?
joe rogan
No, no, but I'm saying, like, whether I would hit him while they're doing that, I'd probably say something first and see how they react, but be ready to hit them.
joe list
Because it feels like if you fucking punch a guy or kick a guy as hard as you can, he might have a strong jaw and he...
But I feel like choking a person.
joe rogan
Yeah, choking works most of the time unless the guy knows how to fight.
joe list
Yeah.
joe rogan
What if he has really good defense and you realize that immediately and you forgot to put the second hook in because you were trying to stand up.
joe list
Right.
joe rogan
And then all of a sudden he spun towards you and you're like, oh my god, he's trained and he gets an underhook and then he trips you.
Now he's on top and you're in fucking half guard on the concrete and he's headbutting you.
joe list
And he's got a tire iron.
That was an old joke I tried doing about my level of fighting is if the person's cooperating, I can beat them.
joe rogan
Here it is.
Any object made or adapted for the purposes of inflicting death or serious physical injury can be considered a deadly weapon.
For example, a shoe or a shod foot used for kicking may be considered a dangerous weapon.
That's dangerous or deadly, though, right?
Because someone can...
We saw...
What was that movie?
unidentified
Where...
joe rogan
Fucking...
What was the curb stomp movie?
unidentified
Oh, American History X. That's right, American History X, right?
joe rogan
Yeah.
That was like two weapons.
The curb was a weapon too, and then there was the boot.
joe list
That was unsettling.
What is a shod foot, for those of us unfamiliar?
jamie vernon
I had to check.
It is a shoe, or a foot with a shoe on it.
joe rogan
So what about flip-flops?
What if you kick someone you're wearing flip-flops?
Is that a shod foot?
joe list
I don't know.
joe rogan
Because you're kind of at a disadvantage with flip-flops on it.
joe list
We're going to have to go to the judges on that one.
Or a slipper.
jamie vernon
I think it might be anything on your foot because it goes back to the history of talking about people that were almost always barefoot.
So that would be an unshot foot.
joe rogan
Yeah.
jamie vernon
I don't know.
Fuck.
joe list
I feel like it should be shoed fit.
I feel like that was a shoed foot.
I feel like that was a typo somewhere and they just went with it.
Shod?
joe rogan
Shod foot.
joe list
Is that a word?
Shod?
joe rogan
Yeah.
joe list
It means with a shoe?
joe rogan
It means there's a shoe on your foot.
unidentified
Yeah.
joe list
I mean, that should be shoed.
I mean, this is easy.
This is obvious.
Don't you think?
joe rogan
It should be shooed.
Why is it shod?
joe list
Do you know the mound to home plate is 60 feet 6 inches?
Because they did it with pencil, and the second one, it was supposed to be 60 feet even.
But the zero looked like a six.
That's why it remains 60 feet 6 inches.
unidentified
Really?
joe list
Yeah, it was not a typo, a fucking right-o, whatever you call it.
I feel like that was shod.
I feel like they just left the E off, shooed.
joe rogan
I think it's more like a proper English thou shalt not thing.
joe list
That's gay.
joe rogan
You know what I'm saying?
Shod.
Your feet are shod.
joe list
Yeah, I get it.
I like it.
joe rogan
You know what I'm saying?
joe list
I'm going to say shod.
joe rogan
I think it's a proper thing.
unidentified
Is it?
jamie vernon
Shod is middle English, meaning put shoes on or provide with a shoe.
joe list
Yeah, that stinks.
Shad sucks.
joe rogan
It's weird that we have English words in England that are spelled different than the way they're spelled in America.
joe list
Yeah, there's still, you see, like, there's old O-L-D-E, town with an E, and, uh, there's...
joe rogan
Tires with a Y. Oh, I don't know that one.
unidentified
And then there's...
joe rogan
Color with a U. Yes.
Color.
joe list
Flavor.
There's a few of those, yeah.
O-U. Yeah.
joe rogan
But it's, like, the same language.
Like, why are you guys fucking with the different words?
joe list
Yeah, I don't like it.
I don't like it one bit.
joe rogan
And what are you doing on the left side of the road, bitch?
unidentified
Yeah.
joe rogan
We invented the car.
Get the fuck over on the other side.
joe list
I heard it was from jousting.
Is that something?
joe rogan
Yeah.
joe list
Does that make sense?
joe rogan
Yeah, it does.
Supposedly.
joe list
Have you ever driven out there?
joe rogan
I have not.
joe list
I've done it a few times.
It's a thrill.
joe rogan
I would imagine it would be a little bit nerve-wracking to be on the wrong side of the road.
joe list
It is.
I got great advice is that the driver's always in the middle of the road.
That's really helpful.
It's like you're closer to the middle than the other end, which is the same here and there.
You know what I mean?
joe rogan
No.
joe list
Like, you're on the right side of the car, but the left side of the road in England.
So you're, if you look out the window, the middle of the road is right there.
The line is next to you.
And the reverse, here in America, you're on the left side of the car, but the right side of the road.
So you look out the window.
I see what you're saying.
So that's helpful.
But I've only ever done it with one other, like my wife, in the car.
Because you need a second person to be like, don't forget.
Driving alone, I feel like I could fuck it up.
joe rogan
Yeah, you could fall back into the pattern and then all of a sudden see yourself in the oncoming headlights.
joe list
Yeah.
I think that's what happened to Matthew Broderick.
Matthew Broderick?
Yeah.
joe rogan
I don't know what happened.
It's also like just the shifting and everything.
If you're operating a manual, shifting now with your left hand instead of your right, that would be bizarre.
joe list
No, I couldn't do that.
I have a friend who's like a big driver.
He said that was the one thing he couldn't do because it was just too many things.
joe rogan
Yeah, because is the clutch still on the left-hand side?
It is.
So it's clutch, brake, accelerator, all in the same order, but now you're doing this.
And then which side do you do it?
Do you start far left or you just start far right and move that way?
You don't do that, do you?
That's what's weird, right?
unidentified
Yeah.
joe rogan
If you're operating a manual transmission and you're in the English side, where's first gear?
Is first gear up and to the left?
joe list
That is a great question.
No, it's probably closer to you, up and to the right.
joe rogan
Yeah, like that?
Yeah.
Can I see that?
jamie vernon
I think it's the same.
I'm looking.
unidentified
Yeah, that's fucked up.
joe rogan
Yeah, I would imagine the thing they would have to do, that would be really hard to do, I think, for transmissions.
joe list
One of the hardest parts for me was I kept putting the windshield wipers on with the blinker, because you're used to the blinker being over here, so every single fucking time I would turn the windshield wipers on.
joe rogan
Yeah.
I love a good windshield wiper stock.
That's one thing that bums me out about my Tesla.
joe list
What's a stock?
joe rogan
A little stock.
A little thing that does the windshield wippers.
A little thing, you know, a little thing that sticks out of the steering wheel.
A little thing that does the blinkers.
joe list
Oh, oh, oh.
I'm thinking of the windshield wiper itself.
The little...
joe rogan
That does the blinkers.
joe list
You don't have that?
joe rogan
No, everything's...
joe list
It's a button.
joe rogan
Everything's this.
joe list
Yeah, buttons stick.
joe rogan
There's buttons on the steering wheel to change lanes.
There's buttons for a horn.
joe list
No, it's fun to have the physical...
joe rogan
Yeah, I'm going left.
joe list
Yeah.
joe rogan
I'm going right.
I'm going left.
You know, like, come on.
joe list
Sometimes I reach through and grab it over here.
You can, you got options.
unidentified
I like going like this.
joe rogan
I like hitting that.
joe list
It feels like you're doing an alt-comic bit.
It's normal.
joe rogan
But isn't it a normal feeling to hit the blinkers and turn right?
joe list
Of course it's satisfying.
joe rogan
You do it.
You do that thing before you turn.
You don't press a button on your steering wheel.
It feels odd.
Every time, like, don't fuck this up.
I've had this car for two years.
And every time I press, sometimes I'll press the left button when I'm meant to press the right button.
I'm like, fuck!
joe list
I would love if you did exactly this on stage and the crowd's like, what?
joe rogan
What the fuck is wrong with you?
joe list
Just a total crickets.
joe rogan
Like a really bad Seinfeld bit.
Like a copy of a Seinfeld bit.
joe list
Great set last night, by the way.
I went up to the balcony and watched it.
Very funny.
joe rogan
Thank you.
joe list
I know you know that, but...
joe rogan
Thank you.
It was a fun night.
joe list
Yeah, it was awesome.
It's so fun to run back and forth to the two rooms, and there's such different kinds of rooms.
joe rogan
Oh yeah, that little room is magic.
joe list
And you've become like a comedy pilgrimage.
I ran into like, first of all, I felt like a fucking celebrity out in Austin from those shows.
I bumped into two guys from Calgary that came just to see the room.
Then I sat next to another guy at a restaurant that was from Montreal who came just to see the room.
And then I met another guy who was from England.
Just fucking walking around.
joe rogan
I was fucking around with the crowd last night.
There's people from Australia.
There are people from all over the place.
joe list
Yeah, it's a destination, man.
Yeah.
Comedy pilgrimages.
People, they just want to see the room.
joe rogan
It's fun.
I hope more people do things like this other places.
joe list
Did you ever go on any, like, when you, before you started, like, I gotta go see, or when you started, I gotta go see fucking whoever.
Did you go on a road trip to go see a comic, like make a comedy fan trip?
joe rogan
Yeah, yeah, a couple of times.
I mean, in the early days, I went to see a bunch of comics, but Kinnison, I went to see Kinnison a couple times.
joe list
Yeah.
unidentified
Yeah, I was like, 80...
joe rogan
89?
88, 89?
And the problem is it was like Kinison had already sort of deteriorated.
So it was kind of a bummer.
joe list
It's like we were talking about.
You can't go that hard and keep being productive, it feels like.
joe rogan
Yeah, it was pretty evident that...
kind of insight that you had from his earlier work.
His earlier work wasn't just wild, it was wild and like, that's a really good point.
- Yeah, yeah. - It was wild and like, wow, this is like great writing.
This is like interesting subject matter.
And you got this wild dude.
And then the stuff about marriage was so funny.
It was so, like, obviously the guy had been in fucking terrible agony and heartbreak.
It was so obvious that people had broken his heart.
joe list
Right.
joe rogan
And you bought into it hook, line, and sinker.
But from that special, from...
So he has his...
First thing, which is Louder Than Hell, which is a cassette.
And it's really fucking good.
It's hard to get.
I got an album of it.
Okay.
I think you can get it some places, but I think...
I don't know.
There was some controversy with it.
There's a lot of like...
Very homophobic stuff in there.
But then it goes from that to the HBO special.
And I think that Have You Seen Me Lately, it's called.
And the HBO special is fucking amazing.
I mean, it's amazing.
It's just so good.
There's so many good bits in it.
And then the one after that's not.
It's just flat.
It just feels fake.
It feels like he's a guy trying to imitate Sam Kinison.
joe list
Yeah, I feel like that, I mean, I would never name names, but I feel like that happens sometimes with comics, where they have great material and a very unique way of doing it, and then they kind of start to lose the material and just have that unique way, and the marriage of the two is what made it great.
joe rogan
Well, I think it's hard to write when you're partying all the time.
joe list
Absolutely.
joe rogan
And you're going to events, and you're the guy in the Bon Jovi video, and you're this and you're that, and you're...
You know, I mean, his whole life, he was this, like, weirdo and this preacher, and then he gets into comedy and becomes one of the greatest of all time, and then all of a sudden he's a fucking superstar in the rock and roll days of, like, Poison and Guns N' Roses and, like...
Whoa, and he's the rock and roll comic.
joe list
Right.
joe rogan
You know?
So he's like singing on stage now, like brings a guitar on stage.
Do you ever see some of that?
unidentified
Yeah, yeah.
joe rogan
Yeah, you know that song Wild Thing?
joe list
Yeah, I vaguely remember.
I never was a huge Kinnison guy.
I wasn't big into the screaming.
I always find that comedy doesn't hold up great.
Most comedy, which is what makes comedy great to me.
So I think by the time I saw it, I was like a kid and just didn't quite understand it.
And then later, I was like, I don't know.
I mean, I respect Kinison, obviously.
He just wasn't one of my guys.
joe rogan
For me, it was like catching it in the actual context of the time of 1980, whatever it was, when he popped.
I want to say it was 86. Was it 86?
jamie vernon
That was his first album, yeah.
joe rogan
Yeah.
So that's like right around the time when I had heard about...
See, he's partied with all these rock stars.
He made music videos.
But it just...
It became a different thing, man.
You know, with the...
It was all the look and the...
It was all like the...
You know, being seen at the right places with the right people.
And, oh, Sam's here!
Sam's here!
joe list
Right.
joe rogan
And he's doing lines.
Blah!
But before that...
When he was coming up, it was developing material.
Like, coming up with, like, really good, unique bits that would make you this superstar.
And then once it began with a superstar, it was, like, poison for that.
joe list
Right.
That's what's so hard about getting so big, is that people are like, yeah, the guy!
And see, it's so hard to balance, I imagine.
I'm not in that position.
But, I mean, you're pulling it off.
joe rogan
It's, um...
I mean, you just can't buy into the bullshit.
joe list
Right.
joe rogan
You can't be fucking partying with Bon Jovi and rock and roll every night.
It's like you're not going to get anything done.
joe list
Yeah, you need an amount of humility.
It also feels like that feels so removed from what makes stand-up great is a guy standing there telling jokes.
It's like now you have a guitar and a gang and women and drums, and you're like, well, that's not right.
joe rogan
Like, look at Chappelle.
He's doing it the right way.
That guy just gets on a plane and shows up in a city somewhere and starts doing guest spots.
Just starts going up.
Goes up at the end of shows.
Practices.
Fucks around.
And then next night he'll fly to this place or that place.
Just goes places and fucks around.
Writing.
Always working on new bits.
Always turning over material.
joe list
No, you gotta do it.
Now, do you still listen to sets?
Do you record sets?
joe rogan
Yeah, I record all of them.
Yeah.
I owe myself a few listens, though.
I've been slacking off.
Especially the bottom-of-the-barrel listens.
Those are the ones you really gotta listen to.
joe list
Yeah, that's a really fun show.
It makes me uncomfortable, which is why it's fun to do.
If the people don't know, I guess the audience writes down shit and you just pull them out.
joe rogan
Yeah, you have a barrel, and the audience writes down suggestions for...
For topics and then you just reach in the barrel pull it out and start riffing.
Yeah, it's fun.
It's fun.
joe list
It was super fun Yeah, that's not I don't do a lot of that so it was fun to get in that spot and Yeah, that was that was great that room fucking rules the smaller room.
joe rogan
Yeah, that's a little room They were they were fucked up last night intimate.
It's a super intimate room.
joe list
Oh Yeah, it was great.
It felt like a 1 a.m.
spot last night.
joe rogan
The late show?
joe list
No, it was the early one.
Oh really?
joe rogan
They were fucked up on the early show?
joe list
They were jacked up.
Yeah, it was one of those ones where you say something and then they kind of break into conversation a little bit.
And I'm like, are you alright?
What are you guys?
And they're like, oh no, I'm in the way.
But they were fucking great.
And it was really fun getting stuff out of them.
Because a room that small, if people are kind of chatting or chuckling, you can deal with them more.
It's like when you're in a massive room and somebody's yelling or talking from the back, you can't really deal with it.
joe rogan
Yeah, if you're in a theater and that's happening, it's a real problem.
joe list
Exactly.
joe rogan
But in a comedy club, you can pause and go, what are we doing?
joe list
Yeah, yeah.
And have like a real dialogue with them.
joe rogan
But you don't want to.
That's the thing.
It's like we've got to train people to just not talk out loud.
Just like you don't do in the movie theater, don't do it at a comedy club.
And don't talk to the comedians either.
Don't just talk at them.
joe list
Well, do you think?
I mean, what do you think about all these crowd work clips?
Don't you think we're breeding this?
I feel like it's a very bad situation.
joe rogan
It's not a bad situation because it's just how they do it.
Some people do it that way.
joe list
But it makes the audience want more of that.
I was talking, my niece has just went to college and she has a roommate who's like 18 years old.
She's like essentially a high school kid.
And she was like, what do you think of crowd work?
And I'm like, it's so crazy that like teenage kids are like, oh, crowd work.
joe rogan
Well, because those are the clips you can put online because it doesn't burn your material.
joe list
Right.
joe rogan
Because it's a unique moment.
joe list
Right.
But sometimes I feel like there's comics going up there just trying to get those moments.
They definitely are.
And it's annoying.
And then the audience thinks like, oh, I'll be part of this.
joe rogan
Well, there's comics that'll trick you, too.
You go see their actual act.
You know, the thing about crowd work is it's always funnier when you're there.
joe list
Of course.
joe rogan
But it's always funnier because everyone knows it's happening live and you don't know what's going to happen and neither is a comedian.
They know it's completely improvised.
joe list
Well, that's why it works.
Obviously, comedy is about getting everybody to be like, oh, yeah.
And if they're seeing it live, it just happens.
joe rogan
Good point.
joe list
But DePaulo used to always say that.
I worked with Nick for years and he'd be like, Oh, you're funny off the cuff?
Yeah, that's called a fucking being funny.
That's easy.
Write some material, you fuck.
joe rogan
Yeah, if you can do both, that's great.
joe list
Right.
joe rogan
But some people only do one or the other.
joe list
Right.
joe rogan
Yeah.
joe list
But there's tricks to it, obviously.
joe rogan
You definitely don't want to encourage people to interrupt people who don't do crowd work, though.
That's where it becomes a problem.
When people are drunk and they think, I'm going to get on a video.
unidentified
Right.
joe rogan
That kind of shit does happen.
joe list
Now, how do you feel about MCs in New York, which is the only city that does this, where the MC goes up and just asks everybody where they're from and does almost exclusively crowd work?
They never did that in Boston when I was starting, and they didn't do it here in Austin, really.
joe rogan
Why did they do that in New York?
joe list
I don't know.
It's a New York thing.
New York comics, they think that's what the MC does.
I think part of it is to find out where everyone's from because there's so many tourists.
But most MCs in New York just do a lot of crowd work.
And I've heard people even be like, I don't like hosting because I don't do crowd work.
And I'm like, well, you don't have to.
Just fucking go up.
joe rogan
Does anybody not do crowd work?
Does anybody just go up and say, hey, what's up, everybody?
How you doing?
Let me tell you about my day.
joe list
I don't think so.
Really?
I hosted this years ago when Artie Fuqua got in the accident.
They needed hosts at the Cellar, so I volunteered.
And I hosted for like six weeks.
And I felt like I was the only one that just went straight into material, which I think is better because I find...
The audience, when they're settling in and ordering and getting their drinks and whatever, figuring out who's sitting where, if you look up and the comic is talking to somebody, they're going, okay, it hasn't really started yet, he's talking to that lady.
But if you look up in the middle of a bit, you're like, shh, fucking quiet, the show started.
That's how I always felt.
joe rogan
Yeah.
The problem with someone talking to the audience is it does kind of encourage the audience to talk to some of the future comedians if they have a point that the person disagrees with or if they're getting to a point and you cut them off because you can say something.
You know how sometimes guys will mislead you with a bit and you're like, what is he saying?
Oh, ha ha ha.
But some people jump in in the middle of it.
joe list
Right.
joe rogan
And fuck it up.
joe list
Exactly.
joe rogan
And they think they can because someone's been talking to them in the audience.
joe list
Exactly, yes.
And they're like, oh, this is a dialogue.
I got it.
joe rogan
Perfect.
unidentified
Exactly.
joe rogan
Or it gives them an opportunity to be outraged.
And now this is kind of encouraged to give feedback.
It's encouraged to talk.
joe list
Right.
I also think that the audience needs to hear the rhythm of a few jokes.
But to me, it's like if you do crowd work for five minutes and then do ten minutes of jokes.
But sometimes you have an MC where you're like, if you're going first, you're like, I'm now the first one telling a joke, which is no good.
I think the audience needs to hear like, oh, okay, some bits.
joe rogan
Yeah, I think that definitely would set everybody else up for the rest of the night.
And that's really what the MC should be doing.
joe list
I remember Attell would get annoyed because Attell always wants to know where everyone's from.
So he would ask me, like, where are they from?
And I was like, I don't know.
And you could see that he was like, what?
And there's nothing worse than upsetting Attell.
unidentified
That's so New York.
joe list
That's so New York.
joe rogan
It's so weird.
joe list
I know.
joe rogan
That New York has this one thing where everybody goes and...
Ask the fucking audience member where they're from.
joe list
It's very strange.
I remember seeing a comic one time.
It made me laugh so hard.
The audience member made me laugh so hard because the person was like, what are you doing?
unidentified
And they're like, I'm at a show.
joe list
What do you mean?
unidentified
What am I doing?
joe list
They're like, I'm on a date.
I don't get it.
To me, it's like, we're supposed to be doing a show.
I don't care what the audience is from or what they're doing.
joe rogan
I always felt like that style came out of the fact that The comedy clubs in New York, when I was coming up, they were all very intimate.
They were very small.
Boston Comedy was very small.
Catch a Rising Star was small.
The Cellar's small.
And because you're right on top of people, and they're packed in, and there's not that many of them, I felt like it's more intimate.
The stage is smaller, and I think it sort of led comedians to want to personalize everything.
joe list
Yeah, yeah.
Which I feel in that small room at your club.
What's it called?
joe rogan
Little Boy.
joe list
Little Boy, yeah.
I do instinctively start being like, you ever had this?
Because it does feel like you're at a hang.
joe rogan
Yeah, you're hanging.
joe list
Right.
joe rogan
Which is really nice, if you're doing material, because you're real intimate in that room.
You're on top of those people.
joe list
Yeah, I feel like you could shoot a special in there, or maybe someone already had.
I think somebody shot one in the big room.
joe rogan
David Lucas just shot a special in that little room.
joe list
Yeah.
joe rogan
Yeah.
joe list
That's a fucking killer.
And Brian, did he shoot something at your room?
joe rogan
He shot something in the big room.
joe list
Brian Simpson blew me away last night.
joe rogan
Oh, he's hilarious.
joe list
By the way, I always knew he was funny, but I like...
It's so rare you get to sit and watch comedy.
And I sat in the balcony watching.
I was like, this guy's like next level.
joe rogan
The balcony's the shit, isn't it?
joe list
It's unbelievable.
joe rogan
It's awesome.
When we first were walking around the building when it was its bare bones...
And we're standing up there in the balcony.
One of the first things we're thinking, like, you know how badass it's going to be to be just sitting up here chilling and, like, watching Chappelle go on stage.
And so when it actually happened, when we were there, the week had opened and Dave came by, and we're watching him.
I'm standing on the balcony.
I'm like, dude, I looked at Tony Hinchcliffe and I go, this is, like, exactly what we imagined.
It was the exact thing that we imagined.
joe list
That's an unbelievable feeling.
I don't want to sound gay, but we're very lucky people that we've lived a life where it's like, I imagined this and then did it and had it happen.
joe rogan
Oh, yeah.
Super, super lucky.
But also, like, that's a good thing.
Like, when I was thinking about doing it, I didn't want to do it.
I'm like, this is too much work.
I don't want to be involved in this.
I always told comedians, be really nice to club owners because we need them and you don't want to be them.
We need them.
We need someone to own the club.
We need a place to go.
Who would want to deal with some of the maniacs that we knew?
Yeah, this is it.
Oh, wow.
That's the little boy.
No, that's the big room.
Yeah, that's the balcony, right?
Yeah.
joe list
Wow, that's killer.
joe rogan
Yeah, so that's before the concrete had been poured.
Those guys are standing on foam.
So there's a foundation under that.
And then they put these massive blocks of dense foam.
And then on top of the foam, then they lay more of that rebar and then pour concrete.
It's crazy what they did.
Because it was basically set up like a movie theater, like tiered stadium type seating.
And we lifted the floor up.
And it made it flat.
joe list
So how did it work?
Did you like, I feel like I'm interviewing you now, but I mean, how did you just explain the vision to a, whatever you call it?
joe rogan
I have an amazing architect.
Richard's an amazing architect.
One of the things about Richard is he's also a musician.
He's an artist.
He has an eye for things.
He sees things.
And he totally got the concept of it.
And so when we had looked at another building, I told you about the place that was owned by a cult.
So we had that place and then that one fell apart.
And then when that fell apart, it was really hard to find another spot.
And this place wasn't for sale.
They only wanted to lease it.
And I was like, I'm not gonna do that.
I need to be able to own it.
It doesn't make any sense.
Fortunately, they changed their mind, and they sold it to me.
And one of the things they liked was that 6th Street, they're making a lot of apartment buildings and high-rises.
They loved the fact that I was just going to keep it a live entertainment venue.
jamie vernon
Yeah.
joe rogan
Because it's a 1927 theater.
Stevie Ray Vaughan played there in the 80s.
joe list
Yeah, I saw all the posters.
Killer fucking bands.
Now, were you drawing sketches, or were you just saying, this is what I'd like it to look like?
jamie vernon
I didn't draw any of it.
joe rogan
Richard did everything, but Richard Wise.
We went over it.
We had a structure, right, because there was...
Alamo Drafthouse had been there before, and we also had...
We had a big advantage in that Richard had redesigned the Alamo Draft House.
So he was the one who was in charge of that project.
So he knew the whole bones of the building.
Because they converted it from, I think it was a rock and roll club, previous to that, and then they turned it into the Alamo Draft House.
And so they had to build a kitchen.
They had to build these rooms.
They had to, you know, set it up from the movies and do everything.
So he knew exactly where everything was.
And so we had two rooms in one building, which I really like, because I wanted a smaller, more intimate room and a bigger room.
And so when we saw it, we just had to address, like, okay, how do we do this?
And we had a bunch of different ways of looking at it.
We always agreed that the projection room would be the green room.
Like, that makes the most sense.
It's in the center of the two rooms, and it gives you the option of just literally walking there and seeing one room, or going this way to the balcony and seeing the other room.
unidentified
Yeah.
joe rogan
So that was, like, that was a no-brainer.
And then we blew the walls out so it connects to the balcony, and we set everything up and moved all...
The equipment out.
We had old projectors in there and shit.
And then we built everything out.
And then in the process of building everything out, I had Louie come and look at it.
And Louie had some amazing advice.
He gave me some great advice about shrinking the size of the stage in the little room, lowering the ceiling even further.
And the little room was like a low ceiling.
He's like, can you get it lower?
joe list
Yeah.
joe rogan
I'm like, yeah, I think we can get it lower.
Maybe like a foot or two lower.
And so we did that.
And then in the main room, the same thing.
He said, lower the ceiling.
And so the ceiling drops.
So you have, you know, the balcony, you can see how the ceiling drops when you look out the balcony.
So you just see, like, the top of the stage.
joe list
Right.
I always thought it would be a great idea, I mean, it would cost billions of dollars, to have a comedy club that you could move the walls in depending on the crowd size.
You know how there's, like, a curtain?
But you wish you could just fucking physically move the wall to tighten it up.
Because, obviously, comedy just works tighter.
joe rogan
Yeah.
joe list
I mean, that's an impossibility.
This is my fantasy.
I mean, maybe it's not an impossibility.
joe rogan
I don't think it's an impossibility.
You'd just have to have walls that were on tracks, and you'd have the tracks built into some sort of an engine that moved them back and forth.
But it'd probably be stupid.
It would take up way too much room.
You know, how are they powered?
Are they diesel-generated or the electric?
joe list
No, manpower.
Everyone gets behind.
The audience pushes the wall in.
joe rogan
Yeah, it would have to be that, because if it was some sort of a computer, it would malfunction and kill everyone.
It would just compress the entire audience.
joe list
Like fucking Star Wars.
joe rogan
Yeah, exactly, like Star Wars.
Imagine if you have a sold-out show and someone hits the 100-seat button.
People are just stacked up on top of each other in the middle of the fucking room.
joe list
That's a great episode for one of those...
What do you call it?
What's that fucking show?
jamie vernon
Black Mirror.
joe list
Black Mirror.
I was thinking of Twilight Zone.
But yeah, same shit.
unidentified
That thing.
joe list
That's what I was wondering, though, if you could just explain to the architect what it looks like.
Because this blew my mind a while ago.
I was watching, like, some Springsteen behind the album thing.
I don't know if it was The River or Darkness or whatever.
But I never knew.
There's a scene where Bruce is talking to Clarence Clemens, and it's just like, it should sound like this.
unidentified
Blah!
joe list
And he's just mouthing the sound of the saxophone, which in my mind, it's like Bruce is writing musical notes or something.
You don't picture a guy just being like, it should sound like this.
And then the guy does it.
It kind of was like, wow.
joe rogan
You know, it blew me away, but there's a lot of musicians who don't read music.
joe list
No, I think like most, and it's funny, I took mandolin, not most, but many rock musicians.
I took mandolin lessons years ago, and it was fun.
And I thought I wouldn't be able to read music, because I'd always hear like, Eddie Vedder can't read music, and Bruce Spring.
And it turns out it's not that hard.
They just didn't feel like learning it.
Like in my mind, I was like, these geniuses can't do it.
And then the lady was like, no, they just didn't want to learn how to read music.
joe rogan
It looks like a weird alien language when you see all the musical notes and everything.
To me, they register as nothing.
Of course.
I've seen people with musical notes tattooed.
They have a strip of music line and the musical notes around it.
I have no idea what it is.
It could be Nazi stuff.
joe list
Of course.
joe rogan
I don't know what it is.
joe list
It's crazy, and I have friends that are world-class musicians, and it's crazy to watch them just read a thing and play it.
It's like a magic trick.
joe rogan
I hate to do this, but I just got an IV before this, so I have to piss already.
joe list
Oh, piss.
What do I do?
joe rogan
You can be two or just hang out.
I'll be right back.
joe list
No, I just feel like I'll be all fucking jacked up.
joe rogan
Jacked!
Fuckin' up!
You drank caffeine though, right?
joe list
Yeah, I'm a green tea guy.
joe rogan
Are you a coffee guy ever or just a green tea guy?
joe list
No, I've never been a coffee guy.
unidentified
Really?
joe list
I had one cup of coffee in my life and it was in Peru.
I was on vacation in Peru and we're in this coffee field and this guy was like, people fly from all over the world to have this coffee.
And I was like, well, I gotta have it.
I'm in Peru.
And I was like, this is the worst thing I've ever drank in my life.
I'm just not a coffee guy.
But as I get older, it smells very good.
So maybe I would like it.
But I like green tea.
joe rogan
Mmm.
Green tea's nice.
joe list
Very nice.
joe rogan
Coffee is one of those weird things that people call an acquired taste.
And I don't know why anybody would ever want to acquire a taste.
joe list
But didn't you find beer was like that?
When you first had beer, were you like, nice?
I was like, this is fucking shit.
joe rogan
I'm sure I didn't.
When I was a kid, I was probably like, this is fucking gross.
joe list
That's how I felt, like spit it out.
joe rogan
You're only drinking it to get fucked up.
joe list
Yeah, but then didn't you acquire a taste for it?
Like an IPA, you're like, ooh, this is delightful.
joe rogan
I don't like IPAs as much.
I like a cold ale.
You know, like a cold ale on a hot day.
You know, like fish and chips.
joe list
Of course.
Beer has to be...
Beer and soda to me, because I just needed them ice cold.
Well, beer I would drink piss warm or something.
joe rogan
Well, clearly, nobody drinks soda tea, right?
At tea temperatures.
joe list
Right.
But, I mean, you can get a warm soda and you're, like, furious, I mean.
joe rogan
I wonder what it would taste like if you microwaved your soda.
Like if you had a Coca-Cola and you nuked it up to...
Or if you put it in a teapot.
joe list
Does it boil?
joe rogan
I'm sure it'd boil.
It's liquid.
If you just poured it in a teapot, it's mostly water, and heated it...
So the thing was going off, and then you poured it in your cups and just drank hot Coca-Cola?
joe list
I don't know.
I mean, I assume it would lose its fizz, right?
joe rogan
Of course it would.
But imagine if we just invented something awesome and nobody thought to do it ever until just now.
joe list
We might have done it.
joe rogan
Has anybody done that before?
There must be YouTube videos.
jamie vernon
So I'm reading right now, "A hot Dr. Pepper is a drink that straddles the line between the two.
When heat is applied to a cool can of soda, it transforms into a light, refreshing soft drink into a thick, sweet tea." Mmm!
Odd as a hot soda might sound, it's really not that different from a glass of hot cider.
joe list
I think I did a bit.
I don't remember the bit where I said I like to boil my soda, and I can't remember why I said it.
But I had a bit like that.
Fuck, I don't remember why I said that.
joe rogan
That's a weird thing to say.
joe list
Yeah, I don't remember the bit.
joe rogan
Were you just being outrageous about other things?
Like, was it a contrary thing?
joe list
No, I forget.
Maybe it was about...
joe rogan
Like I like cold steak and boiled soda?
joe list
I can't even remember.
Goddamn.
Do you ever have those?
You're like, I know I've said this sentence before and I don't know why.
joe rogan
It's the worst.
joe list
Yeah, I can't remember.
I like to boil my soda.
It was something about...
I don't fucking know.
unidentified
I hear you.
joe list
I can't remember.
joe rogan
It'll come back to you.
That's one of those memories that you have to stop pushing the memory guy to find it.
He's like, I can't find it!
I can't find it!
You're like, okay, I'm gonna leave you alone.
I'm gonna leave you alone.
Go move on if you find it, let me know.
joe list
Like, oh, just metaphor for life.
joe rogan
And then you go, yeah.
joe list
You gotta let go or it doesn't work.
joe rogan
Sometimes that spin, you're not getting any traction.
It's like when you get stuck in snow and you're like...
Like, hey, hey, hey.
You're gonna blow out your transmission, settle down.
joe list
Right.
joe rogan
Let's figure this out.
joe list
It was an Alan Watts.
jamie vernon
I found it.
You're talking about a...
joe list
You found that?
jamie vernon
Yeah.
Sometimes I boil a Pepsi right before bed.
joe list
Yeah.
I can't remember.
I still don't remember.
I don't know.
I can't believe you found that.
That's crazy.
joe rogan
That's funny.
joe list
Yeah.
joe rogan
It is weird how there's some drinks that traditionally are just warm or cold.
That's it.
But coffee, you can be both.
joe list
It can be both.
Same with water.
You can have an ice water.
I mean, hot water, I guess.
joe rogan
Yeah, nobody drinks hot water unless it's got flavor in it.
joe list
I drank hot water last night at the club.
By the way, I had a big moment at the club.
I have a contribution to the club.
joe rogan
You do.
joe list
Because you have a tea kettle, and there was no tea bags.
And then I was sarcastically shitting on the club to Curtis, and then he ratted me out to you.
But I just drank a hot water, because it is calming, even if there's nothing in it, to drink warm water.
And then somehow, it's a mystery.
He left for like 10 minutes and came back with high-end tea.
joe rogan
There must be like a store nearby or something.
joe list
I guess, at 10.30 at night on 6th Street?
joe rogan
I don't know.
Sixth Street's pretty wild.
joe list
It was a magic trick.
joe rogan
It's an unusual place, man.
Have you been there on the weekends?
joe list
Oh, yeah.
I hate it.
joe rogan
You close the street down and everybody just walks back and forth?
joe list
It's the worst place on earth to me.
I mean, the club is great, but I'm not joking.
We were talking about it before.
I jog back to the hotel.
It's like a block and a half.
joe rogan
It's sketchy.
joe list
Yeah.
joe rogan
But that's part of what I like about it.
joe list
It's, uh, yeah.
joe rogan
It also gives us an opportunity to hire a lot of cops.
joe list
I love it.
joe rogan
Yeah, we got a lot of cops that work there.
joe list
I love it.
You walk 30 feet away and you can see them like, good luck.
One guy was like, there's a lot of crackheads around.
I'm like, I know about the crackheads!
joe rogan
Why don't you just get a car?
joe list
Because I'm staying like 150 yards away.
You can't get a lift.
joe rogan
You need it.
You need a lift.
joe list
I mean, I made it.
I made it home.
joe rogan
Well, tonight we'll drive.
Oh, we're not coming tonight.
joe list
No, I'm off to Vegas.
joe rogan
But next time I'll drive you.
joe list
Alright, I appreciate that.
joe rogan
We'll take you on the way.
joe list
Well, last time I was here, you drove me because I got accosted by the two...
No, it wasn't last time.
It was like three years ago.
unidentified
Oh, that's right.
joe list
Yeah, I had two guys.
unidentified
That's right.
joe rogan
Guys were fucking with you.
joe list
Yeah, it was bad.
But I also...
joe rogan
Were those homeless folks?
joe list
They were homeless guys, yeah.
unidentified
Yeah.
joe list
And I also just...
Somebody sent me an article that said the Austin police were like, hey, if you get robbed on 6th Street, don't call 911. We can't.
It's too much.
Call 311. Literally, they're like, call 311 and report it.
Like a guy just writes it down in a blog.
joe rogan
Ugh.
joe list
Ugh.
I don't know.
We need the National Guard down here.
joe rogan
They refunded the police out here, though.
They defunded the police for a little bit, and then they upped the budget recently.
They changed it back.
They're like, this is not working.
And all the wealthy people that live around here were freaking out, I guess.
joe list
Yeah, I mean, I told this story on stage the other night, but I was here for Moon Tower, and, you know, it's just...
I'm joking a little bit.
It's not.
You can come walk around 6th Street, but it's wild.
And I said to some woman, she was like a volunteer, I was like, it's fucking crazy out there.
And she went, oh, where are you from?
And I was like, New York City.
I'm not like some fucking hayseed.
I live in New York.
Like, this is unusual out here.
There's like people with machetes and tire irons walking around.
joe rogan
That one street.
unidentified
Yeah.
Yeah.
joe list
Like Brazos and Six.
joe rogan
But the crazy thing is that that's the area that we got.
But when we were there, it just felt like it was supposed to be there.
Like, I was trying to convince myself of the cult house.
When the cult house, when I was walking around, I was like, yeah, we could do this, and we could do that, and we could have a separate parking lot for the comics.
That's cool.
We got a lot of it, because we had like eight acres.
I'm like, look at this view we'll have out the back.
We could hang out here and party.
Look at this green room.
We'll blow out these walls.
Turn to this immense green room.
I had all these great plans.
unidentified
Yeah.
joe rogan
It would have worked.
It definitely would have worked.
joe list
Of course.
joe rogan
But that place had a lot of...
There's a lot of issues to be resolved, including stuff that was like...
It could be a real problem for me.
And so I was like, all right, this isn't going to work.
Let me find another spot.
And then it was like...
I looked at four or five different locations, and they were pretty good, and I was trying to talk myself into them, and then I got to that place, and I was like, oh, shit.
I was like, this is it.
This is it.
I'm like, we gotta make this happen.
joe list
No, it's where it should be, and it's magical, and it's now like a cornerstone of the neighborhood, it feels like.
joe rogan
Yeah, it just felt like it was supposed to happen, like, while you're in there.
And even, like, people ask me if it was stressful.
It wasn't really stressful.
Everybody that was working on the project other than me, it was amazing.
And so they all did a great job, so I didn't stress about that.
And I was just like, it's out of my hands.
Let's just do everything that you're supposed to do.
It would be best if we did this.
Do that.
Whatever it is, do that then.
This is going to take more time, it's going to cost more money, but let's do it.
Like, dude, let's do that.
We need a UFO in the front lobby.
A fucking actual flying saucer.
unidentified
Right, right, right.
joe rogan
And I want it to be a projection that shoots a projection on the screen of who's coming next.
So we have, like, these posters of what comedians are coming up.
joe list
And you did it.
joe rogan
Yeah, it's just, it took a long time, but I really feel like it wanted to be made.
unidentified
Right.
joe rogan
I feel like, like, it literally wanted me to create it.
joe list
You want to hear a suggestion for the club?
unidentified
Yes.
joe list
You really?
joe rogan
Yeah, sure.
joe list
But right behind the big stage, there's some space back there where you're waiting.
joe rogan
Yeah.
joe list
A toilet.
So you can take a shit right before you go on.
Because the only toilet is right outside.
I was in there.
I had to shit.
I was like, I'm holding it.
There's a line.
Tony Hinchcliffe's knocking on the door.
joe rogan
That's a big ask.
Because you've got to get plumbing back down through there.
joe list
Just a suggestion, not an ask.
joe rogan
Because I don't think there's enough room, either.
That's a small space.
Because you're going to...
Maybe I'm wrong.
joe list
Because like Monday night, there was 25 people in the green room and one toilet.
I was like, this is no good.
joe rogan
But that's Monday night.
Monday night is like, they have way too many people up in there.
joe list
It was wild.
joe rogan
It's just too goofy.
But on a normal night, that's not the case.
But yeah, that's not...
But then there's the downstairs toilets too.
joe list
Okay.
joe rogan
You know, there's the public toilets.
joe list
Come on, Joe.
I'm not going to a public toilet.
joe rogan
They're all clean.
They're all good.
joe list
Do you know who I am?
joe rogan
I do know who you are.
You're Joe List from New York.
joe list
I've been on the Joe Rogan experience.
joe rogan
You're from New York City.
unidentified
I don't shit.
joe rogan
You were in that Louis C.K. movie.
joe list
I don't shit.
It's a Joe List movie.
Just kidding.
He's going to hear that.
He's going to be mad.
I'm only joking.
joe rogan
I think maybe that is a good idea.
joe list
Somewhere.
I heard rumbling.
joe rogan
I'm trying to think where it could be.
joe list
There was a young lady that was nervous to shit with you waiting.
Everyone's worst nightmare is they're in the bathroom brushing their teeth and Joe Rogan can't use the bathroom.
joe rogan
Yeah, we should have had a better setup with that.
Maybe we can do that.
Maybe we can have a bathroom right next to the stage.
joe list
Hey, I'm just throwing out suggestions.
joe rogan
Maybe we should leave a heroin spoon in there too.
joe list
Absolutely.
joe rogan
Just symbolic for Stevie.
joe list
Let it happen.
Yeah, he was a big heroin guy, but he cleaned up.
joe rogan
Allegedly.
Yeah, I believe he did, right?
unidentified
Yeah.
Did he?
joe list
He cleaned up, and I think his, like, you can find his, like, AA speaks on, or speaks?
Speeches, qualification, whatever you call it, on YouTube.
joe rogan
Heroin and music, boy.
How many fucking amazing musicians were heroin users?
joe list
Isn't it unbelievable?
I tried to do this as a joke, it never worked, but I'm like, Keith Richards is playing, he's like soloing on heroin.
Like, I take a Tylenol PM and I can't read anymore.
I'm like, I gotta lay down.
I mean, it's unbelievable that these guys can shoot heroin and play guitars.
joe rogan
Did he shoot it?
Did Keith shoot it, or did he snort it?
Like, how did he do his heroin?
joe list
I don't know.
joe rogan
I don't know either.
joe list
But, whoever, I mean, name whoever else.
I mean, I'm sure, you know, Cobain, all those guys.
I mean, so many guys.
It's just, but I never did heroin.
I don't know what it's like to be on heroin.
But in my mind, I didn't do a lot of big drugs.
I bumped into a friend of mine at Skankfest, and he was like, I'm on acid right now.
And in my mind...
Acid, you're not like, oh hey, it's Joe List, how you doing?
I'd picture like, there's a fucking lizard walking at me, but I guess it's not really like that.
joe rogan
Well, it depends on the dose.
joe list
Right.
joe rogan
You know, you can get some serious reality dissolving doses.
joe list
Sure.
I think of acid as like you go in the woods or you look at the Jefferson Airplane video or whatever, not you're walking around a festival communicating with people.
joe rogan
Yeah, you queue up Pink Floyd and The Wizard of Oz.
joe list
Yes.
Which is fun to do, by the way.
joe rogan
It's crazy that it works.
Roger Waters said it's a total coincidence.
joe list
Yeah, I mean, it seems coincidental, but it's fucking cool.
joe rogan
But it's insane how good it is.
Like, when you sync it up perfectly, it really does seem like it's a soundtrack to the movie.
joe list
It's a lot of fun.
Great album, great film.
joe rogan
But how does something like that happen, where the synchronicity is so perfect?
joe list
I don't know.
Why, do you have a theory?
I don't know.
Or do you think it's just worked out that way?
joe rogan
I think there's more to the world than physical things.
I really do.
I just think we're skeptical of that because we can't measure it.
I think there's more to the world.
There's more connections in the world than we would like to imagine because I think they'd be overwhelming.
But I think there's connections with your very mind.
I think your mind and the world interact with each other in a way that changes the world and changes your mind.
I think...
I think sometimes there's, like, evidence of that in just these weird, unique ways.
Like, two ideas converge together, and even though it's completely coincidental that Pink Floyd and The Wizard of Oz Was it Dark Side of the Moon, right?
joe list
Yeah.
joe rogan
That they sync up absolutely perfectly.
But maybe it's not.
Maybe it's the universe saying, look.
Look at this cute little Easter egg.
Look at this cute little tidbit.
We're showing you that this is not a logical universe.
There's some weird stuff to it.
Super weird stuff.
joe list
But some of it also feels like the confirmation bias.
Like you're told these go together, so you're watching, and they do feel like they go together, but some of it you're like, oh, the lion and that sound.
But you're kind of just...
joe rogan
Listen, let's play it.
Play Dark Side.
Show a Dark Side of the Moon connected with Wizard of Oz.
When you actually see, like, I used to think that too.
Like, all these hippies are trying to find fucking connections and anything.
Fucking potheads.
You know?
Trying to be skeptical.
And then I watched it, I was like, oh.
Oh my god, this is crazy.
joe list
I mean, I haven't done it since high school, but it was fun.
And it's also interesting who the first person to do it was.
I'm sure that information is somewhere.
I mean...
joe rogan
But when you actually see it, the connection is insane.
It's so good.
It really does seem like that's what happened.
Like they made it for it.
joe list
Wizard of Oz rules.
Great film.
When's the last time you watched it?
joe rogan
A long time ago.
joe list
One of the funniest scenes ever is when the cowardly lion runs and jumps out of a fucking window.
It's like one of the great comedic scenes.
He gets scared of the wizard and he fucking runs and dives out the window.
It's very funny.
Funny guy.
joe rogan
And the special effects were dog shit.
joe list
Yeah.
joe rogan
Boy, 1930-whatever it was.
jamie vernon
39. I found a chunk.
This is just a part of it.
joe rogan
That's all we do.
unidentified
Here.
joe list
I thought it started later.
jamie vernon
No, this isn't where it starts, this is just where it cuts in.
This is time.
joe rogan
And this is perfect too because it's such a great song.
unidentified
I love that this is the TBS version.
Yeah.
joe rogan
Look at the way the sound ends.
The timing of it.
unidentified
Right?
joe rogan
Right when she arrives at the gate, the loud bells stop.
joe list
Right.
joe rogan
And she's talking, and it's about to begin.
She walks out when the music hits.
Dude, it's wild.
And now you see the conflict, right?
jamie vernon
She turned her head at the exact moment.
joe rogan
Yeah.
So there's this conflict.
The pause, she goes to the other guy.
Another pause, she goes to the other lady.
joe list
Right.
joe rogan
I mean, it's time perfect.
joe list
Man, this song rules.
joe rogan
This song fucking rules.
Now watch this.
As the buildup happens, like the tension increases in the scene, people are getting more frantic.
Women wear gloves back then, bro.
They're working it out.
She's trying to get her to put the dog in the basket Fuck you, bitch.
joe list
It puts the dog in the basket or it gets the hose again.
unidentified
Here it is.
joe rogan
Now watch.
It's crazy how well the timing is They're taking our little dog away man I You cunt.
joe list
You fucking fat cunt.
joe rogan
That's the witch, bro.
Now watch this here.
unidentified
Taking away the moments to take up a dull day.
Fringe are in waves.
It's the house in an offhand way.
Sticking around on a piece of ground in your hometown.
joe list
Go, Toto.
unidentified
Go, Toto.
joe list
That's nice.
joe rogan
Listen, you can obviously say that it's coincidental in some parts, but god damn it. you can obviously say that it's coincidental in some parts, And that's just one piece.
Through the whole movie, there's scenes like that.
It just syncs up and syncs up and syncs up.
It's fun.
joe list
It's fun.
joe rogan
And back before the internet, it was perfect, because you could just say, this is what it was.
They did the music to The Wizard of Oz.
joe list
Right.
Yeah, it's fun.
Wizard of Oz, don't you think it's the most referenced film ever?
Like, deep in our...
Kids know references.
They've never even seen the movie.
Like, you see someone on a bike, people go like...
Like, your little dog, too.
There's no place like home.
There's so many references that just live in the psyche from a film that came out 100 years ago, almost.
joe rogan
Right.
jamie vernon
It's the most seen film in movie history.
joe list
Wow.
jamie vernon
According to the Library of Congress.
joe list
All right.
joe rogan
I'd buy that.
joe list
The movie's seen and heard.
joe rogan
What's number two?
joe list
Let's try to think of it.
joe rogan
The Barbie movie.
joe list
I want to try to think.
unidentified
Maybe...
joe list
It's got to be like Snow White or some...
Bambi?
Something like that?
joe rogan
Conan.
joe list
Conan the Barbarian?
joe rogan
No.
jamie vernon
IMDB has a different list order.
joe rogan
Oh, what's IMDB's number one of all time?
jamie vernon
I was thinking Titanic would have to have been up there.
joe list
Oh, yeah.
unidentified
Oh, yeah.
joe rogan
It has to be.
What about Avatar?
jamie vernon
And then it has E.T. as number two.
joe rogan
Oh, wow.
unidentified
E.T.'s big.
joe rogan
So, Titanic's number one?
jamie vernon
According to IMDb.
joe list
Is that box office or just...
jamie vernon
It says watched.
I typed in watched.
I actually typed in most seen movie.
I typed in the exact same thing it said.
And it says most watched movies of all time.
joe list
Because it's a different qualification because Wizard of Oz has been around for...
It came out in 39. So you have all those...
People, but Wizard of Oz is great, and she was supposed to be like a 12-year-old.
You know, they were like tying her tits down and everything.
joe rogan
Jesus.
joe list
Yeah, it's crazy.
She was supposed to be 12, and they were taping her tits down, and evidently the little people were like, you know, harassing her and grabbing her pussy and stuff.
unidentified
Jesus Christ.
joe list
Yeah, it's crazy stories.
joe rogan
People were horrible back then.
unidentified
Yeah.
joe rogan
Did you ever see Shirley Temple?
Like any of the old Shirley Temple stuff?
joe list
Just clips.
I've never like sat and watched a Shirley Temple film.
joe rogan
It's bizarre.
joe list
She was massive, right?
joe rogan
Yeah, she's massive, but here's what's bizarre.
There's scenes where, I mean, she's a little girl, and she's on an airplane with a bunch of men.
And these men can't stop looking at her.
She's sitting on their laps.
What is that?
Was that the Good Ship Lollipop that she was singing?
unidentified
Yeah.
Wait till you see this.
joe rogan
And she was really young, you know?
And this is what happened to her when she's, you know, I don't know how old she was.
joe list
Was she like eight or nine?
joe rogan
That's a good question.
I think younger than that when she first started.
jamie vernon
She looks really young.
Oh, she looks like she's four.
joe rogan
Oh, yeah.
She's younger than I thought she was.
Watch this.
unidentified
I've thrown away my toys Even my drum and trains I want to make some noise With real life and a role play Someday I'm going to fly
I'll be a pilot too.
And when I do, how would you like to be my crew?
Oh boy.
joe rogan
Look at this.
unidentified
On the good ship, lollipop, it's a sweet trip to a candy shop where bonbons play.
On the sunny beach of Peppermint Bay.
joe rogan
How weird is this?
joe list
It's a little odd.
unidentified
Fast forward to the lap dance scene.
*sad music* Oh my god, I was joking.
joe rogan
Yeah.
joe list
That's fucking crazy.
unidentified
So, hold on.
joe rogan
And now they're all carrying her.
joe list
Oh no!
Oh Jesus.
She's all coked up.
joe rogan
What was that they put on her nose?
What was that?
I don't know.
They're giving our toys now.
unidentified
Oh, Jesus!
joe rogan
Bro, how weird is that?
joe list
It's a little strange.
I mean, it's always fascinating that her parents were like, yeah, yeah.
joe rogan
Yeah, carry around, guys.
joe list
My friend Matt Wayne, he's a great comic.
He's my opener.
He does a bit about, like, you have to be, I think it's like 10 days old to appear in film.
And he went to, he really went to a screening of A Quiet Place Part 2, and they had a special guest at the appearance, and it was the fucking baby.
Like, they just held up a, whatever, three-month-old baby, or maybe the baby was a year and a half at that point, and was like, here it is, here's the baby.
I mean, it's really fascinating to have a baby and be like, take my baby.
And he says, Jim from The Office, just take my baby.
It's a great bit.
joe rogan
That is weird.
joe list
But it's really...
Ah, these people that are like, absolutely, just have a baby.
joe rogan
Use my baby in the movie.
joe list
Yeah, walk around with my baby.
joe rogan
That's our Cheryl up there on that screen.
joe list
It's fucking...
joe rogan
And the aliens are eating the other folks.
joe list
It's strange.
I mean, I guess somebody has to do it.
You've got to have babies in film.
Because remember they did American Sniper and famously there was the fake baby.
joe rogan
Yeah, you got busted with a fake baby.
joe list
It was really bad.
joe rogan
People got mad.
They got mad at the fake baby.
joe list
I mean, it did look ridiculous.
joe rogan
I don't remember how bad it looked.
joe list
It wasn't good.
joe rogan
Let's find it.
joe list
It's not good.
Not a great film, in my opinion, but the baby, with or without the baby.
It doesn't look horrible there.
joe rogan
Oh my god, it did look so horrible.
No, one more time.
Watch it from the beginning.
Come on, watch this.
It's so fake!
Look how fake that looks.
Look.
joe list
I mean, it's just lifeless.
joe rogan
Yeah.
unidentified
Yeah, the arms aren't moving.
joe list
Oh, he's moving it with his thumb!
Ah!
unidentified
You think we're stupid?
joe list
That's hilarious.
joe rogan
You think we're stupid?
joe list
They must have been like, just do a little thumb thing.
unidentified
Yeah.
joe list
That is great.
It almost looks like he's looking like, does this work?
unidentified
He's doing puppetry.
joe rogan
He's doing super high-level puppetry in a movie.
joe list
Poor guy.
joe rogan
I mean, it's like puppetry that the whole world's gonna see.
joe list
Would you hand your baby to a movie star?
joe rogan
Fuck out of here.
I don't think they should use kids in movies.
joe list
I mean, I guess you've got to at some point, right?
joe rogan
Every kid that I've ever met, bar none, that was famous when they were young is fucked up.
joe list
Yeah, it's not good.
I mean, most people get fucked up, most adults get fucked up from fame, let alone a child.
joe rogan
Yeah, this is what I think it's like.
I think it's like making cement.
See, when you make cement, you need to put the right amount of water, the right amount of grit, the right amount of all that stuff, you mix it all together.
But if you have, like, not enough water from the beginning, your cement's bullshit.
And it's never gonna get better.
You can't add water later.
Right.
That's what it's like when some people get famous young.
They didn't develop into an actual human being.
They developed into a famous person.
So the path that they took is so alien to everybody else on Earth that no one can relate to them other than other little famous kids.
And they're all fucked up too.
joe list
Yeah.
No, and then you have money and a weird sense of ego that you're like, I'm a star.
You're not prepped to handle that.
joe rogan
Yeah, I mean, some of them are working through it.
Like, I had Demi Moore on the show.
She's working through it, you know?
joe list
How young was she when she became famous?
joe rogan
Very young.
joe list
Oh, really?
unidentified
Demi Lovato.
joe rogan
Yeah.
jamie vernon
Demi Lovato.
joe rogan
What did I say?
Demi Moore?
I did.
joe list
Oh, I was like, no kidding.
joe rogan
Sorry, Demi Moore.
joe list
That's hilarious.
joe rogan
I was like, oh, what a Freudian.
I was up late last night.
unidentified
My apologies.
joe list
Because she was young, but not that.
I was like...
joe rogan
So, Demi Lovato.
Sorry.
joe list
I don't think I know who that is.
joe rogan
She's a singer.
joe list
Yeah.
joe rogan
Actress.
joe list
I'm a boomer, man.
joe rogan
She was in the Mickey Mouse Club, right?
Wasn't she?
jamie vernon
Maybe Disney.
I don't know about Mickey Mouse for sure.
joe rogan
She was definitely a Disney girl.
jamie vernon
Barney.
joe rogan
Yeah.
And Miley Cyrus.
She's another one that I've talked to that has a similar experience.
She was on Hannah Montana.
She was super young and she was a fucking superstar.
jamie vernon
Not familiar?
joe list
This is Demi Lovato?
unidentified
Yeah.
joe rogan
I want to congratulate Demi Lovato on taking back her gender.
She's no longer non-binary.
joe list
Sorry, I've got to go to airplane mode.
I have a new phone.
I don't know how to get the notifications off.
I'm just vibrating over here.
Really?
joe rogan
Yeah, yeah, yeah.
joe list
You go to sounds, right?
I thought...
unidentified
No, no.
joe rogan
You don't have to go to all that stupid shit.
unidentified
All right.
joe rogan
You swipe down from the top, right?
And then you go to this right here.
Do not disturb.
joe list
Oh.
joe rogan
Bam.
joe list
Beautiful.
joe rogan
And you won't get any text messages until you swipe back and go and get it.
I'll show you how to do that later.
joe list
Thank you.
I appreciate it.
joe rogan
Very easy.
joe list
I'm like 100 years old.
joe rogan
Upper right corner.
Swipe down.
joe list
Beautiful.
joe rogan
Not hard.
joe list
I know.
Well, I'm...
joe rogan
But anyway, no.
You can't use my fucking baby in your stupid movie.
unidentified
Yeah.
joe rogan
Can't they make a CGI baby?
They can make dragons.
Look at the Game of Thrones dragons.
You can't make a fucking baby.
joe list
Yeah, it feels like you could do that.
joe rogan
And now deleted tweet.
American Sniper screenwriter Jason Hall wrote that director Clint Eastwood opted for the fake baby after the first child selected for the sequence became ill and a second baby failed to show up on set.
So we had to go with the fake baby.
joe list
Maybe the parents had a change of heart.
Maybe they called their mother and was like, you can't fucking drop your baby off to Clint Eastwood.
He's too old.
joe rogan
My feeling is they should have shot that scene differently.
If you're going to use a fake baby, you have...
Not telling Clint Eastwood how to make a movie, but...
You have this guy reach in and pick up the baby and then you shoot him from the chest up.
joe list
Right.
joe rogan
Except for a rare, like, American werewolf in London glimpsed of the baby.
So you have to like go back over, look how fake that looks.
Bradley Cooper on American fake baby scene.
I couldn't believe we were doing it.
unidentified
I was like, this is nuts.
joe list
Oh, the poor guy.
unidentified
Imagine, and he's like a top-of-the-food-chain actor.
They're making him do puppetry with a fake baby.
joe list
I mean...
joe rogan
It just takes you totally out of the movie.
joe list
Of course.
joe rogan
That's a doll.
joe list
That sucks.
joe rogan
But if he shot it differently, it wouldn't.
If he shot it differently, like the lady's got the baby, she's holding onto the baby, his back enters the scene, he's bundling into his arms, next thing you see it's him shot up.
You don't see the baby, you see him holding this, obviously he's holding the baby in his arms, but you look in his face.
joe list
Right.
I guess they wanted to show this killer with the baby.
joe rogan
He can't show a fake baby!
joe list
It's really bad.
And that was not even one...
I remember being in the theater being like, what?
It wasn't even one that you find out later.
There's so many movie moments where you're like, the stunt double has a mustache and he doesn't.
And then you look close and you're like, oh shit, which is a bunch of those, which are always fun.
There was a famous one on Flashdance.
The woman doing the audition dance, it wasn't a woman, they had a man do it, but he refused to shave his mustache, and there's a moment, you can freeze frame, I'm sure you can find it, where you just see, I forget the actress's name, I'm a maniac, that whole thing, and she has a fucking, it's a guy with a mustache, because he wouldn't shave it, and they were just like, alright, we'll just go with it.
joe rogan
It's a guy that was doing that?
joe list
Yeah, I'm pretty, I mean, I'm I hope this is true.
I'm going to feel like an ass if I just was told this.
I remember seeing it, though.
I swear.
Jamie, come on.
Come through, baby.
jamie vernon
This might be tough.
joe list
You found my bit.
You found my boiling Pepsi bit.
There's no way.
Flashdance mustache.
Maybe.
joe rogan
She's a maniac.
unidentified
Maniac.
joe list
There's that one, and then there's the other great song from the woman that just died.
What's the other great fucking song on there?
It's a...
unidentified
First when there's nothing but a dull aching dream.
joe rogan
Oh, yeah.
jamie vernon
Oh, I see what it is.
unidentified
Take your passion and make it happen.
jamie vernon
It's not the whole dance that was happening.
joe rogan
Irene Cara.
joe list
Irene Cara, yeah, she just died, I think.
But that song rules.
joe rogan
Yeah.
joe list
I'm gay.
unidentified
Hey!
joe rogan
There was a weird time where those kind of movies were very popular, very musical dramas about people that are just talented and they're going to make it.
unidentified
Of course.
joe rogan
And they're wearing scarves and they're from the rough side of town, but they get together and shine.
joe list
But doesn't that song get you as somebody that pursued a dream?
I listen to that song and I'm like, this is me, baby.
I took my passion and made it happen.
joe rogan
You made it happen.
joe list
Fucking right, man.
joe rogan
Do you want to live forever?
joe list
I don't want to live forever.
I mean, I want to live forever, but I'd like to live in this state for a long time.
joe rogan
I've been thinking about this, talking about this a lot lately.
joe list
Living forever?
joe rogan
I think if heaven's real, if heaven's real, and I was the devil, you know what I would do?
unidentified
I'd convince people that they should extend their life.
joe rogan
I'd convince people that they can live forever.
I'd convince people to transplant their soul into a machine where they would be trapped for eternity.
If you could just trick them.
unidentified
Right.
joe rogan
Imagine if heaven's real.
Imagine if you die one day and you're like, oh my God, it's real.
It's not like a dude in the clouds and a guy with a book.
It's like, what'd you do when you were in seventh grade?
You lied to your mom.
joe list
So what is it?
What is heaven then?
joe rogan
What if it's just some other realm where you're disembodied?
Disembodied from your physical being, but you live in a realm of pure consciousness.
Just pure consciousness interacting with other consciousness.
It's just geometry, just patterns.
What if that's where you're supposed to be?
That's great.
But what if this place just gets increasingly more dystopian?
And as life goes on, you signed up to live forever, but now life is suck!
It's just suck.
It's just everybody's eating insect burgers and all your time is monitored by the great overlord powers of the world economic forum which controls the earth.
You're cooked up to some grid and you have to be attached to it in labor for X amount of hours per day in order to be fed and housed.
joe list
This sounds similar to reality.
joe rogan
Yeah, but what if it keeps getting worse?
joe list
It might keep getting worse.
joe rogan
What if that's really what hell is?
What if hell is the trick that you're scared to die, so you sign up to be a part of this cyborg program, and you literally lose your soul?
Your soul gets transplanted into a machine forever, and it's the devil's trick.
joe list
And it's just you looking at TikTok all day.
Just fucking dark web.
joe rogan
And the problem is, I would never consider that as a possibility because there's so many loons that run around telling you the devil is crafty and the devil has plans for you!
And you're like, sure he does.
Okay, it's the devil.
Right.
But what if it is the devil?
And what if one of the ways the devil gets you to think that the devil's stupid is that a bunch of stupid people believe in the devil.
joe list
Now, does he have horns in the tail and stuff?
Like...
A fiery guy?
Because that's always amusing to me.
joe rogan
I bet...
unidentified
I bet he can look any way he wants.
joe rogan
I mean, if he's got the power to manipulate all of mankind, we're assuming that it's real.
joe list
Right, he's like T-1000.
joe rogan
Yeah.
joe list
Or T-2000, whatever it is.
joe rogan
No, much more complicated than that.
It's literally, like, tempting you to do the wrong thing all the time.
What if that's, like, a real thing?
Like, a real force in the universe?
And it's not just the...
The problems with human biology and the desire to spread your DNA and tribal warfare and people stealing resources from other people so that their DNA would survive and the other ones wouldn't, which is what it's been for all of human history, all the warring and all the...
Thievery and all the horrible shit that people have done to each other.
It's all like a survival thing.
It's like it's all programmed in like that.
joe list
You're freaking me out, Jomer.
joe rogan
Yeah.
joe list
You're losing me.
I'm getting nervous.
joe rogan
You should be.
You should be a little nervous.
Like what if the trap, the big ultimate trap, is downloading your consciousness into something?
joe list
Right.
joe rogan
Like what if the soul actually can be contained?
Like, what if there's a way to actually put it into something?
Like, we think of the soul as being, you know, like, if you believe in it at all, you think your soul leaves your body when you die.
But what if you can suck it out of your body before you die, lock it up in a Ken doll?
joe list
I would love for someone to try to suck my soul out via the cock.
But what you described as consciousness and just interacting with other consciousness, that is reality, is it not?
unidentified
Or what if...
joe rogan
You can make duplicates of your consciousness.
What kind of a hell would that be?
What if you just couldn't help it, like one of them ladies that has big giant fake butts?
What if you just kept making more and more duplicates?
What if Donald Trump got a hold of the duplicates of your consciousness machine?
And they said, Donald, do you know how well you would dominate the world if there was a million of you?
All working together in sync?
joe list
This is, I mean, literally the worst nightmare.
joe rogan
A million?
We can do a million?
We can do a billion!
Someone else might say, a million's enough?
I would say it's not.
There's eight billion people.
Why aren't there eight billion Trumps?
And so, you have eight billion of you?
If you have money, you just keep making duplicates of your consciousness and sending it out there?
joe list
That'd be crazy.
That's all I have for this one.
joe rogan
We're going to reach a point, like we were talking about changing your structure, using genetics.
They're going to do that.
And they're also going to merge.
People are going to merge with machines.
It's going to happen in our life.
joe list
Do you think?
joe rogan
100%.
100%.
They're already working on it.
The doorway to it is going to be helping people with neurological conditions, injuries, spinal cord injuries.
People can't move their muscles correctly.
joe list
I feel like people are just going to have robots that they work with.
For a while, at least, before they merge, don't you think?
joe rogan
I think the real dilemma is going to be what happens first and what has to happen first.
So, if artificial intelligence can now make its own decisions, and if artificial intelligence becomes sentient, means it becomes independent and then decides to make its own decisions and make a better version of itself, it's going to very quickly reach some god-like level.
The only way we're going to survive Is if we're merging with it.
If we're still just fucking talking monkeys and we create this thing that's infinitely smarter than us and immediately puts a stop to all the shenanigans in the world, cuts off Pacific Ocean fishing, engineers all the plastic removal, kills all the coal plants, redesigns nuclear power, gets rid of all the fucking solar.
Put a fucking reactor here.
Get out of here with your panels.
You've got 85 football fields covered up with this ugly black square thing.
Fuck out of here.
What are you dummies doing?
Oh, you got a wind farm?
Great.
What are you going to do with all these birds that get chewed up like they're flying into a fan?
Pull that shit down.
And then they'll redesign all of our irrigation systems.
They'll redesign all the food.
And then they go, why are we feeding these morons?
What are they doing?
You feed them, what do they do?
They just want to eat Doritos and drink Soda Pop and watch 90 Day Fiance.
That's all they wanted to do.
joe list
Well, that's the scary thing is they realize they don't need us.
Someone used the metaphor of like cows.
We eat cows and we wear them, so we have cows around.
But if we had, what do we call it, 3D printers that just made meat and leather...
We would probably be like, nah, we don't need these cows anymore.
They're just, they stink and their methane is fucking up the environment.
Let's just get rid of them.
And that's AI. We're the cows.
joe rogan
You know what the darkest conspiracy theory about aliens is?
joe list
I don't know if I'm ready for it.
joe rogan
That Earth is essentially a farm and human beings are the vessels that contain souls and they want us because this is how they create souls.
And so they're farming us.
They've created us.
So we started off as primates and through some sort of genetic intervention, I'm not saying I believe this, I'm just saying that this is like top of the food chain, put your tinfoil hat on super tight, that they farm us.
And that the whole reason why human beings are involved in this conflict, constant conflict, all of it is to increase our competition with each other, increase our ability to control resources, which will increase our technology, which will ultimately lead to us creating this being that we're going to create, this artificially intelligent super god, which is going to happen.
joe list
I don't even know what to say.
I mean, that sounds crazy.
I hope that's not the case.
I got gigs.
joe rogan
I think the gigs are gonna be over.
joe list
No, come on!
What are you doing?
You're bumming me out!
joe rogan
Once we become cyborgs, comedy's not gonna be what we do anymore.
We're gonna be flying.
We're gonna be...
We're going to realize UFOs are around us all the time.
joe list
No, we're going to be just fine.
Are you worried?
I'm always worried about the future.
The unknown is terrifying, of course.
joe rogan
What about the election?
joe list
Am I worried about the election?
unidentified
Yeah.
joe list
Slightly.
I mean, I've gotten much better at being like, I can't control any of this, and so I just take it a day at a time.
But this could be...
joe rogan
It's very AA of you.
joe list
It is, yeah.
I mean, I'm an AA guy.
But that's also just a proper way to live.
joe rogan
Yeah, it's a smart way to live.
joe list
Sort of thing.
I can't control it.
But yeah, it's going to be crazy.
It also feels like Trump is going to win, doesn't it?
joe rogan
More than it ever felt like in 2016. Certainly.
In 2016, it was like a joke to say that he was going to win.
joe list
Yes.
There was like eight people that were like, guys.
joe rogan
You could go on stage and go, Trump's going to win, you pussies.
And people would go, whoa.
You could play a character that said Trump was going to win.
joe list
Right.
joe rogan
You don't even know about the regular America.
unidentified
Right.
joe list
Well, I think he didn't even think he was going to win.
joe rogan
Oh, I think he thought he was going to win.
joe list
You do?
joe rogan
Yeah.
joe list
Oh, I felt like he was like, oh, okay.
joe rogan
Did you see the footage that was removed from Meet the Press?
joe list
No.
joe rogan
They removed nine minutes of him denying the election.
So he does this interview, and the nine minutes that got removed is all him talking about the Hunter Biden laptop, that that was election interference, that they're doing ballot stuffing.
The lady's going, that's all been disproven.
That's been disproven by the heads of your intelligence agency.
That's been disproven by your team.
You know that that's not true.
And they're going back and forth, and it's like, it's really wild.
Let's move on to more productive topics, Mr. President.
Let's move on, Mr. President.
And he's like, it's real.
unidentified
They stuffed the ballots?
joe rogan
You've seen them stuff it?
You've seen the photos?
It's a wild conversation.
joe list
And they took it off the internet?
joe rogan
Yeah.
Well, they took it off the show.
And he's essentially saying, like, if he went to court, he'd have so much evidence that he'd win in court.
joe list
Right.
joe rogan
But why don't they go to court then?
This is what I don't understand.
I don't want to get...
I'm agnostic about all this stuff until you show me what kind of evidence is involved in this.
joe list
But isn't it...
I mean, am I just consuming too much mainstream evidence?
I mean, media?
I think there is no evidence.
I think he's completely...
joe rogan
Well, what he's saying is that there is evidence and that he needs to provide it in court.
And what I'm saying is, like, why aren't you in court then?
joe list
Yeah, because he's lying.
joe rogan
Well, I don't know.
joe list
Donald Trump's not the guy that's going to sit on evidence that's going to show that he won.
joe rogan
But that's a big lie.
And the other things that he said before, you know, they were saying that he was lying about Hunter Biden.
They were saying he was lying about the laptop, and then they got the 51 intelligence agencies to back up the fact that it was disinformation.
He was right about that, though.
He was right about the bribes.
He was right about all that shit.
joe list
Well, that's the tricky thing about lying so much, is occasionally you're going to say correct things, and people are going to be like, oh, wait.
joe rogan
Well, no.
You know what it's like?
It's like you're lying about another liar.
Well, you're telling the truth about another liar.
It doesn't mean that you don't lie.
joe list
Yeah, of course.
joe rogan
Just because you catch someone lying doesn't mean you don't lie, too.
joe list
Yeah, I mean, Donald Trump has certainly said many true things.
joe rogan
That's a good point.
joe list
It's hard to parse.
Parcel?
Parse?
What's the word there?
joe rogan
Part and parcel, I think?
Yeah.
joe list
I can't remember.
For instance, I was lying about the dancing mustache guy in Flashdance.
jamie vernon
I validated you on that.
unidentified
Jamie found it!
jamie vernon
You got it?
joe list
I've been sweating.
See, there's his cock.
jamie vernon
There's a stunt double for part of the dance.
You can see how giant his quads are right there.
unidentified
Oh, yeah.
jamie vernon
The rest of this.
I'll play it for you, though, so you can see.
joe rogan
So there's her.
jamie vernon
That's her.
joe rogan
She's very shapely.
jamie vernon
Here it switches to the guy, like right now.
And then he'll do this cool move that maybe she couldn't do.
You can see he's got tights on.
This.
joe list
Yes, this is the mustache.
joe rogan
Oh, he's so jacked.
jamie vernon
Yeah.
joe list
That's me right there.
jamie vernon
So if I paused a little bit, you can kind of tell it's not right.
unidentified
That's so crazy that he didn't take the mustache off.
joe list
Can you see the mustache at some point?
joe rogan
It's so obviously a dude.
That's so crazy.
And it's a jacked dude.
unidentified
Look at that guy looks like an MMA fighter.
joe list
Those hammies, baby.
joe rogan
He's so thick.
joe list
I'm not seeing the mustache all that clearly, though.
jamie vernon
I don't honestly see the mustache.
joe rogan
I found another thing explaining it.
jamie vernon
It showed the guy.
He definitely has a mustache.
joe rogan
He's fucking jacked, though.
Look at her hair and look at his hair.
Like, look at who they're spinning.
He's got fucking short hair.
They didn't even give him a wig.
unidentified
Look.
joe list
Damn it!
The mustache thing is bothering me, though.
I swear there was a mustache somewhere.
joe rogan
It might be like a Shane Gillis mustache.
One of those ones you only see when you're right next to him.
joe list
You get close when you're kissing him, yeah.
jamie vernon
There's a clip I saw of the director explaining this in that clip, the show of the guy, and he does have a mustache.
joe list
Okay, alright.
There's a mustache in there.
joe rogan
Maybe that's what it is.
Maybe the guy grew a mustache later.
Not a liar.
It was a dude, though.
joe list
Can I start another cigar up?
Is that alright?
I mean, all this alien talk, we're all gonna die.
I'm having a child.
You're telling me the world's gonna end?
joe rogan
I don't think the world's gonna end.
I think the world's gonna change.
joe list
Are you a hopeful person in general or are you pessimistic, optimistic?
joe rogan
I'm more optimistic than I am pessimistic.
joe list
That's good.
joe rogan
Yeah, I have faith in people.
I think people need to somehow be confronted by the reality of the times that we're living in and how Captured our ideas are and just to be careful of what we're doing in terms of worldwide conflict, personal conflict, all conflict.
I think we're just too embroiled in unnecessary conflict.
I think it's fucking dangerous.
It's just the political conflict, the social conflict that we have.
It gets in the way of all the great aspects of life.
Of course.
And the problem is, you know, it's like people want things to be better.
And they're convinced that this path is the way to make things better.
And the other people are convinced that that's not the way to make things better.
And there's no meeting in the middle.
And these people are Nazis and these people are Marxists.
And it's like...
joe list
Well, so much of this is social media, don't you feel like?
I know I'm not coming out with a groundbreaking theory here, but I think social media is really fucking us and dangerous.
It would all be improved to limit it to some degree.
joe rogan
Yeah, I'm getting a new phone and not putting any apps on it.
I'm keeping an old phone that I'm going to use for social media where I'll go and post things and stuff like that, but I'm done.
joe list
Yeah, it's really not good.
But the AI stuff also, they could fucking cure cancer and what do you call it?
What's the other one?
Alzheimer's and all that shit?
And climate change, fix that shit up, get a carbon vacuum, suck that shit, put it right in the earth.
That's all positive.
joe rogan
I was reading about some controversy involved in some fake meat company where one of the whistleblowers is saying, like, are we the next Theranos?
joe list
Who's that again?
joe rogan
Theranos.
Theranos was that lady, Elizabeth Holmes, who faked these blood test things.
joe list
I think this thing's dying.
unidentified
No, give it to me.
joe rogan
You need to rejuice it for some reason.
It's almost like it's leaking.
I think it might be leaking fluid or something.
It's gonna blow.
If it blows, I'll look away.
joe list
Oh, God.
unidentified
I'm gonna look away.
joe rogan
Just get my neck a little bit.
joe list
Comedian Joe Rogan torches tits during podcast.
joe rogan
It'd be a cool scar.
It's a little tit torch.
joe list
Yeah, you are an optimist.
unidentified
Yeah.
joe list
If I light myself on fire, it'd be a cool scar.
joe rogan
Most of the time, I'm optimistic.
But I'm also...
Look, the world is far better right now than it's ever been.
And it seems to always be moving in a far better direction.
And even all the social conflict, like a lot of the shit that I don't agree with, like a lot of the youth gender ideology stuff and a lot of the social justice warrior stuff, I see why it would be a good idea to pursue this idea of making things more equal for everybody.
It's all in the right vein.
I just don't think it works.
I don't think it works accurately with human nature, but I like the fact that that's the direction that people are pushing aggressively rather than racism.
Imagine if the same exact anti-racism energy was now pushed towards a racist agenda like Nazi Germany, because that was the same kind of thing.
But it was a negative thing, right?
It was an extermination thing.
But it's...
I think people...
We gotta be real careful about the conflict that we get in.
For fucking no reason.
joe list
Yeah.
But it does feel like everyone is coming from what they feel is a good place.
unidentified
Exactly.
joe list
As did Hitler.
I'm sure Hitler was like, we gotta get rid of these Jews.
It's gonna be better for everybody.
So everyone thinks they're coming from a good place.
joe rogan
Well, all the ideas of eugenics, those guys probably all thought they were coming from an idea of a good place.
But to us, it's horrifying.
So you get all the weak people, you're just gonna kill them?
joe list
Right.
joe rogan
And just have only, like, the best, strongest, like, best, like, okay.
Your music's gonna suck.
joe list
Right.
joe rogan
Your fucking...
Your music's gonna suck.
Your food's probably gonna taste like shit.
joe list
Your comedians.
I mean, my God.
joe rogan
Your comedians are gonna suck.
Your authors are gonna suck.
joe list
Yeah.
joe rogan
Like, you're gonna become a warrior class?
You're gonna be the Spartans?
Is that what you're gonna do?
joe list
Hopefully, don't you feel like maybe people will start...
There's more and more studies about social media, what's healthy.
We know more and more about what's healthy, getting into the outdoors and being with people, being of service, as there's many...
Not to get AA again, but there's many...
Scientific studies that like when you're serving other people, that's the key to happiness.
And there's more and more podcasts and books and studies about this.
So hopefully people go, boy, I'm really fucking depressed and unhappy.
Let me get into nature, put my phone down, be of service to others.
And you have more people doing that.
joe rogan
You do, but I think it's like the warnings on cigarette boxes.
Everybody knows they're there and they keep smoking cigarettes.
Social media is super addictive, man.
joe list
But less people smoke than before.
joe rogan
That's true.
joe list
So they have worse.
joe rogan
Still a lot of people smoke.
joe list
Of course, but...
joe rogan
You might have more people that realize that social media is detrimental to your mental health.
You probably have more people that would recognize it, yeah.
And I think more people do recognize it now than ever before.
The problem is once you're hooked, it's fucking super hard to get off of it.
joe list
Yeah, it's really hard.
I'm bad when I'm by myself.
When I'm with people, I'm very good about being present, but I spend so much time on the road.
And when I'm in the hotel, I find myself being like, I'm going to watch a movie or read, and then I read three paragraphs, and I'm like, oh, what's up with that guy?
And I go to Wikipedia and start reading shit.
joe rogan
Yeah, the thing to me is I love the fact that you can get entertainment on your phone.
I love YouTube.
I love podcasts.
I love the fact that you listen to music.
I love that.
That's my favorite part of the phone.
I feel like that's overall net positive.
You know, I could watch ESPN Plus on my phone.
I'd watch fights, like live streaming, just with 5G. If I'm stuck somewhere, like there's a UFC card, I'd fucking set my phone down right here, and I could watch the fights.
I've had to do some boring-ass shit that I agreed to do, and really, part of it, you're just sitting there.
I'm like, I'm busted on my phone.
I got the fights on now, right?
I love that, but...
The social media thing where people are checking their likes and checking what everybody else is doing.
I just think that robs you of time to just interact with people and think.
And I think we've become super accustomed to that thievery to the point where we just sort of accepted it.
And I've only gone a couple of times without doing it, but one time that I did it was in Hawaii.
I broke my phone.
I dropped it, and it just started randomly dialing phone numbers.
I'd hold it up, and it would just randomly dial, and I'd press a button, and I'm like, look at this.
And then it would dial somebody else, and I'd press send, end, and then dial someone else.
And you couldn't stop it from doing it.
I restarted, kept doing it.
So I had to order a phone from Apple.
I was on Lanai.
It's a small island.
It took like three days to get me a phone.
But during that three days, I felt so much better.
joe list
I had the same thing happen.
I was at Denver Comedy Works a few years ago.
The same thing.
My phone just crapped out.
And I had like two days without it.
And you're like, this is amazing.
joe rogan
Yeah, I was like a normal person again.
And I was with my family, so I knew where everybody was.
We were all hanging out together.
So it was like normal.
And I was like, oh my god, this is such a better way to interact in life.
And then as soon as I got my phone, I went right back to it.
joe list
Yeah, it's hard not to.
I was just listening to a thing, too.
Some, I don't know, psychologist guy or someone was talking about boredom, like what you feel when you're bored.
Like, we need to feel that.
And that evolutionarily was like, basically, you'd be out hunting, and then no animals were coming by.
And so you felt boredom.
And that was your brain, your body telling you, like...
Hey, go do something else.
Go get berries or go fucking sleep or whatever.
We need that to go, oh, you know what I should do is something else.
But instead of feeling that, we just go straight to the phone.
joe rogan
It's also one of the ways you come up with your best ideas.
joe list
Right.
joe rogan
You know, when you're just bored and thinking and then you're stuck in a waiting room somewhere with no magazines.
I used to have some of my best ideas on airplanes because I would be stuck on the airplane.
I couldn't go anywhere.
And back when there was no Wi-Fi on airplanes, all I had was a notebook.
joe list
Yeah, it was nice.
The subway was like that in New York, too.
Before, when I first moved there, you would have a 45-minute ride home just with your thoughts.
Same thing.
joe rogan
Exactly.
Yeah, and we missed that for whatever reason.
We didn't think that was valuable because the entertainment that you get off of TikTok or Twitter or any of that stuff is so much better.
joe list
Well, and now you also have the feeling that I can be productive all the time.
And in reality, it makes you less productive.
But you think I can work, which is one of the problems they talk about with people working from home now is there's no more clocking in and clocking out.
You wake up and you immediately start.
So you end up working more.
joe rogan
Maybe.
Or you fuck off a lot and get caught jerking off.
joe list
Right.
That too.
joe rogan
But there's a lot of pros and cons to working from home.
The pros would all apply if you have discipline.
Discipline, like why do you need to be in an office if you have work that you can get done without other people?
joe list
But don't we need the dopamines, the eye contact, the bumping into people?
joe rogan
Sometimes you do, but it depends what you do, right?
Like if you're an author, you want silence, right?
joe list
Right.
joe rogan
You don't have to be in a fucking office with a bunch of people if you're an author.
You want to be able to sit alone and just think.
joe list
Sure.
joe rogan
You want to be able to sit alone and come up with ideas.
joe list
But my father's been working from home.
He fucking hates it.
He misses being on the train and bumping.
And he's like an introverted guy.
But, you know, going, hi, Sue.
How do you do?
Or whatever.
unidentified
Right.
joe list
We need those interactions.
joe rogan
Dude, I hate to tell you this.
I have to piss again.
joe list
Piss again.
joe rogan
I'm so sorry.
joe list
Piss in my mouth.
I don't care.
joe rogan
I took a big IV bag today.
I'll be right back.
And we're back.
joe list
We're back!
This is like a dream to me, because I piss a lot.
So every time you have to piss, I'm like, this is beautiful.
joe rogan
Yeah, usually I'm pretty good.
Usually I can hang in there for a few hours, but it gets hard when I do the IV. And also, before I did the IV, I did the sauna.
When I go in the sauna, I drink a big fucking hydro flask filled with water, like a 64 ounce.
joe list
Right.
I hit the steam today.
I'm a big steam room guy.
You like steam?
joe rogan
I like both.
joe list
I'm all steam.
joe rogan
But I prefer the sauna because I think it has more benefits because it gets hotter.
joe list
Oh, really?
The steam's like 120 degrees.
unidentified
Yeah.
joe rogan
Yeah, sauna gets like, I do 185. Is that healthy?
It seems to be for me.
Yeah, I don't have a problem with it.
But I built up to it.
I do 20 minutes at 185. We used to do 25, but 20 seems to...
Sometimes we'll still do 25, but especially if I've done the cold first.
joe list
See, I'm at the gym.
I don't have a personal sauna.
Not yet.
After this, I feel like you never know.
That was sarcasm.
But I feel like the sauna at the gym is like 110 or something like that.
joe rogan
Nah.
unidentified
Is it higher than that?
joe rogan
It's probably warmer, but I bet they don't jack that sucker up too high.
They probably won't let it get up to where I like it.
joe list
Yeah, I love the steam.
I love that.
As soon as you get in there, you're fucking drenched.
joe rogan
It's also just good to get...
Your body reacts to that and it cools it off, and that's what produces these heat shock proteins.
They're really good for inflammation.
Hot baths are good for it, too.
A lot of different heat exposure is very good for you, but the best, at least in terms of the amount of studies that have been done, the best work has been done on the dry sauna.
Not even the infrared sauna, which also has some benefits, but...
The dry sauna, they did this study in Finland that showed over 20 years, people that use the sauna four times or more a week showed a 40% decrease in all-cause mortality.
unidentified
Wow.
joe rogan
Strokes, heart attacks, cancer, everything.
And it's this anti-inflammation effect, they believe, from the heat shock proteins.
Because your body deals with this irritant, like this thing, this heat, this pressure, this thing where your body has to react to a very extreme condition.
And in doing so, it creates these anti-inflammatory properties to kind of protect itself.
And then when you get out of there, it just flushes through.
joe list
Maybe I'll start doing more sauna.
joe rogan
Yeah.
It's great.
joe list
Alright, I'll go sauna.
joe rogan
But it seems great too.
It feels good.
joe list
It seems good for your voice and your skin.
Yeah, I'm glowing.
joe rogan
It's weird in there.
It's fucking foggy.
My buddy...
A friend of mine and I, we used to go to 24 Hour Fitness in California, and one of the guys who was the manager of 24 Hour Fitness, they had just moved him over from West Hollywood.
And I go, we were talking...
We were talking.
I go, what part of West Hollywood yet?
He goes, the gayest part of West Hollywood.
That's where 24 Hour Fitness is.
He goes, it's basically a gay pickup gym.
joe list
Right.
joe rogan
And so they had to stop guys from fucking in the steam room.
And it kept happening.
So they had to literally have a guy outside the steam room making sure the dudes didn't fuck in there.
joe list
That's a big thing.
I go to Equinox and it's the same thing.
A gay friend of mine told me they call it the low self-esteem room because everyone's in there blowing and fucking each other.
joe rogan
Imagine you're just a guy who goes in there to just get a steam and two guys are sucking each other off.
joe list
I mean, I do a bit about it.
I mean, I don't want to just do a bit here, but I feel a way.
I've never seen sex, and I wonder, am I just a fucking dork that they're like, oh, this guy's not cool.
Everyone's like, put it away, fucking this idiot's here.
joe rogan
Maybe it's a special thing that only happens one every three days.
Maybe it's a Monday, Wednesday, Friday schedule.
joe list
It might be at night, too.
joe rogan
I'm sure.
joe list
Every once in a while, I have access to all the Equinox.
Occasionally, I'll go to the one in Chelsea, and I think that's one of the big ones I've heard, but I haven't seen it.
joe rogan
Is Equinox a 24-hour place?
joe list
No, I think it closes at, I don't know, 11 or midnight or something.
I think it depends.
But I've been going to the one here, hitting the steam room, and it's just me.
But when I'm in there, I am like, is something about to go down?
joe rogan
Right, never know.
joe list
Because I'd like to be asked.
I did have a guy flirt one time with me, and he was quite flirty.
And it was nice because he was complimenting my body, which, you know, I enjoy.
unidentified
Nice.
joe list
I wasn't going to fuck him, but I still was like, thank you, man.
I appreciate it.
joe rogan
Did he ask you if you were straight?
joe list
No, he didn't ask me.
He was just like, you have a nice little body.
But I think a straight married man is the biggest get you can get.
I think that's...
If you're a gay guy, to fuck a straight guy.
joe rogan
It's like a trophy bass.
joe list
That's huge.
Yeah.
joe rogan
It's like a 15-pound bass.
joe list
I mean, I was talking a being of service.
I mean, that's the ultimate service.
joe rogan
That is the ultimate service.
joe list
I could give someone that gift.
joe rogan
Yeah, if you really believe in inclusion and equity and helping out the LBGT community, suck that guy off.
joe list
Well, my thing is, and again, this is in my act, and I don't want to be the guy that comes on and does his act, but the temperature is the deterrent.
Like, I don't understand how you have sex in a 120-degree room.
That is a little too toasty for my...
I like a summer set at like 68. It can be done.
joe rogan
It depends on how horny you are.
joe list
I mean, I'm not denying it can be done.
joe rogan
But imagine if you haven't had sex in weeks, and then all of a sudden you're alone with your lady friend, with your wife, in a fucking sauna, and she just moves that towel to the side.
joe list
Yeah.
joe rogan
You were about to black out, but you power through.
joe list
I would enjoy that, yeah.
I mean, and I do occasionally do squats.
I feel like if you can do squats, you can fuck.
joe rogan
Yeah, maybe you just open the door of the sauna.
Like, okay, we could do this, but let's let a little air in.
joe list
Let the steam out.
joe rogan
Just let a little air in.
joe list
Let the steam out and the cream in.
Hello, folks.
unidentified
Hey!
joe rogan
Hey!
joe list
How you doing?
joe rogan
When did the term cream pie come around?
joe list
I don't know.
joe rogan
Because you could just say that.
You say cream pie and everybody knows what you're talking about.
joe list
Yeah, all those terms.
I don't know.
It's a fascinating thing.
Somebody started all those terms.
Somebody was like, we're calling it this.
And those are the ultimate viral things.
joe rogan
Yeah.
joe list
I mean, that's viral before viral.
jamie vernon
There's actually a Wikipedia about this.
joe rogan
There is?
joe list
A Wikipedia?
A cream pie Wikipedia?
Bullshit!
joe rogan
Pull it up!
Meanwhile, they locked down Andrew Huberman's.
Look, oh my god, there's a picture with the vagina and jizz coming out of the vagina on Wikipedia.
joe list
That's beautiful.
joe rogan
Cream pie, known as internal ejaculation and typically same-sex context as a breeding, is a sexual act commonly featured in hardcore pornography in which a man ejaculates inside his partner's vagina or anus without the use of a condom resulting in visible seeping or dripping of the semen from the orifice and they show you a photo for an example like pornography On Wikipedia.
Who fucking would have imagined?
joe list
And they have a description of what the photo is.
Semen flowing out of a woman's vagina.
joe rogan
Look at this.
Internal ejaculation shots are a comparatively recent development.
joe list
Development.
joe rogan
Like it's a fucking, it's a feature in the new technology.
Comparatively recent development of pornography.
They are not found in early pornographic films.
The use of the word cream pie to describe such scenes originated in U.S. pornography in the early 2000s.
And is found in usage as early as the beginning of 1999. You gonna party like it's 1999?
joe list
We fuckin' right.
joe rogan
In straight pornography, sexual activity is often followed by a facial, a pearl necklace, or other visible ejaculation.
Cream Pie seems to depart from heterosexual pornographic convention in favor of a depiction that more closely mimics sexual activity as performed in ordinary life.
They have been called The counter image of facials.
There's like theory.
There's porn theory.
How bizarre.
joe list
You ever eat your own cream pie?
joe rogan
What do you think?
joe list
I know I have a friend who said he's done it many times, and I often debate this with people.
It's one of my favorite topics of conversations with women, where he claims the women were all into it.
He said he's done it seven or eight times, and they were all into it, and I claim they are lying or humoring him.
Because I've asked many, many women, and the women I've asked, and maybe I hang out in more sexually conservative circles, but all the women I've asked were like, I would be tremendously off-put by that.
unidentified
LAUGHTER Yeah, that seems super unusual.
joe rogan
A dude just goes down there and munches on his own jizz.
joe list
Yeah, don't you find...
I mean, I'm not interested in eating jizz particularly, but don't you feel like right after you cum, I have never felt less sexual?
That's what's crazy to me, is that after you cum, you're still interested in doing something fucking naughty.
joe rogan
Maybe it's a coke thing.
unidentified
Maybe.
joe rogan
Or a meth thing.
Or an Adderall thing.
You know what I'm saying?
Like a speedy thing.
Because that's one of the things that my friend used to tell me when...
joe list
James got a throw up over there.
joe rogan
I had a friend that smoked crack, and when he smoked crack, he would just always want to jerk off and fuck.
I was like, really?
He goes, yeah, you're always just trying to jerk off.
Even if you're not horny, you just keep going.
It's weird.
joe list
Yeah, it's funny.
When I was on Tom's podcast, he was talking about losing Jamie over there.
jamie vernon
I just read the end of the article.
Last paragraph.
joe rogan
Internal ejaculations followed by images of semen dripping from the anus are sometimes depicted in bareback gay pornography where they are referred to by the term breeding or reverse money shot.
Breeding is sometimes followed by felching, which involves sucking the semen from the partner's anus.
Holla at Chaboy.
jamie vernon
Your friend likes the Felch.
joe rogan
He's a Felcher.
joe list
That's from the anus, though.
joe rogan
I think it's from the butt.
It's felching.
joe list
Yeah, I don't think he was felching.
unidentified
He's technically not felching.
joe list
I think he was, like, titting or whatever.
It was off the tits, which is...
joe rogan
Oh, that's even grosser.
Oh, that's even more disgusting.
joe list
No, that's less gross than out of the asshole.
joe rogan
I guess.
unidentified
Yeah.
joe rogan
It's all gross.
joe list
Yeah, because cum is better than cum and shit.
joe rogan
Yeah, I guess, but you're just licking cum off tits, and she's watching you, and you...
That's weird.
joe list
Yeah.
joe rogan
That's a weird thing.
joe list
Different strokes for different folks, you know?
joe rogan
Yeah, definitely.
I mean, you're not hurting anybody.
joe list
No, but don't you think these women are being kind by being like, oh, I like that?
joe rogan
It depends on the kind of women.
I mean, he might be dating like crazy tattooed up fucking psychos.
joe list
Well, I'm sure there's women that are like, please do this for me.
joe rogan
Eat that jizz off my tits, baby.
joe list
Now, what if your wife was like, Joe, I would really appreciate it.
I'm into this.
Please.
This is what I need.
This is my bucket list.
Would you think about it?
joe rogan
What do you think?
joe list
I think no, but I like to pose questions.
joe rogan
No, that's crazy.
You'd have to be negotiating.
Like, what do I get out of this?
joe list
Right.
joe rogan
What do I get to do if I do that?
Or what do you do if I do that?
joe list
Right.
joe rogan
And I don't need any of that.
joe list
I'm not interested.
Is there an answer to that?
joe rogan
No.
There's no answer that would fucking fit.
I mean, that's the question, right?
How much would you have to pay to eat your own jizz?
Or how much would you have to get paid to eat your own jizz?
Like if someone says, would you eat your own jizz?
You're like, no.
Would you eat your own jizz for $2 billion?
Yes.
unidentified
100%.
Yeah.
joe rogan
Because it wouldn't take that long.
joe list
No, it's fine.
I mean, it's like Fear Factor.
I mean, it's kind of like a just, you know, squeeze your nose.
Can I have a Pepsi with me?
joe rogan
Anybody that says they would never eat jizz, I would never eat my own jizz.
Not even for $2 billion?
Not even for $2 billion.
Well, then you're an idiot.
Because what do you like working?
You like doing something you don't want to do?
joe list
I'd do it for $800.
I mean...
joe rogan
Yeah, that's $800 you didn't have.
And how long is it going to take you?
If you do it quick and just fucking put your nose to the grindstone, you could probably lick that jizz up in a minute.
One minute of suffering for $800 a minute.
joe list
Less than a minute.
Oh, is this going to be like a glass of jizz video?
joe rogan
That was Fear Factor.
joe list
Oh.
joe rogan
Yeah, dude, I'm literally one of the only people that got fired from a job in Hollywood because people had to drink jizz.
You guys drink jizz?
Yeah, usually in Hollywood, that's how you get a job.
unidentified
I got fired because people had to drink Donkey Kong.
joe rogan
I encouraged them.
joe list
Oh my god.
joe rogan
Guys and girls.
joe list
Now would you rather eat donkey cum or your own cum?
joe rogan
My own.
I know what I'm eating.
Donkeys are probably fucking filled up with antibiotics and crazy medications to make them grow quicker or something.
Who knows what the fuck they're giving those donkeys.
Monsanto corn.
joe list
Your own cum is less weird than someone else's.
For sure.
But then you think, I mean, again, I think this is being, are we being bad people?
Because most women we know and gay men we know have eaten cum, and they're very nice people.
joe rogan
They're good for them.
Doesn't mean you have to do it.
joe list
I'm not saying I have to do it.
joe rogan
I got vaccinated.
You should get vaccinated.
joe list
I'm not saying we have to do it.
I'm saying, should we be pretending it's so, not pretending, but projecting out that it's so horrible?
Because many people do it.
joe rogan
No, we're stating our opinion on what it is like to us.
You're allowed to not want to eat your own jizz.
joe list
Good point.
I just don't want to say it's gross.
I don't care for it.
unidentified
It's gross to you.
joe rogan
It doesn't mean it's gross to everybody.
joe list
Sushi is also gross to me.
joe rogan
Well, I was going to bring that up.
There's certain types of sushi where they use semen sacks.
I've had that.
joe list
Semen sacks?
joe rogan
Yeah, yeah, yeah.
There's certain kinds of like, there was a really high-end sushi place in LA and they had all these wacky sushis.
And one of the things they had was like, it was like fish semen sacks.
joe list
Sounds like a department store, semen sacks.
unidentified
It does.
It does.
joe rogan
Sounds like something that would be smash and grabbed.
You'd see one of those Instagram videos of dudes with masks on running out with purses and shit.
Yeah.
Yeah, what is it?
See if you can find what that is.
jamie vernon
Scirocco.
joe rogan
I should ask Philip.
Philip Franklin Lee.
jamie vernon
It's called Shirako.
It's popular in Japan.
joe rogan
Yeah, there it is.
Okay.
I consider myself a pretty adventurous eater.
jamie vernon
Yeah, it's just a story about eating it.
I don't know if that's important.
joe rogan
Yeah.
Does it say exactly what it is?
unidentified
Yeah, yeah.
joe rogan
Does it describe it?
jamie vernon
Yeah.
joe rogan
Fish sperm.
Yeah.
jamie vernon
It's the milt.
joe rogan
The milt or sperm sacks of male cod.
It's served both raw and cooked form in restaurants all over Japan.
Yeah.
I had that.
joe list
That's not my scene.
I've had whale.
I've had whale and deer in sushi, but never come.
joe rogan
You compared whale to deer?
That's hilarious.
joe list
Well, I'm saying those are unusual foods that don't get eaten that often.
joe rogan
Deer's pretty usual.
Venison?
joe list
No, not in America.
unidentified
What?
joe list
I mean, you eat it, right?
But that's not like, if you go to fucking...
joe rogan
There's a lot of restaurants that serve wild game.
Yeah.
Elk tenderloin, you've never seen that on the menu at a restaurant?
unidentified
I'm not saying I've never seen it, but they don't have it at Burger King.
joe list
They don't have it at Chili.
You go to the Outback, they're not going to be like, do you want deer?
joe rogan
They used to have it at Arby's.
joe list
Is that right?
joe rogan
Yeah, Arby's had a venison sandwich.
We have the meats.
joe list
Right.
But it's rarer than a cheeseburger or a steak.
joe rogan
They had that, right?
Didn't Arby's have a venison sandwich?
I'm not imagining that, right?
joe list
This could be your dancing mustache guy.
joe rogan
Didn't they?
jamie vernon
Oh, yeah, okay.
2017 bringing back their popular, crazy popular venison sandwich.
joe rogan
Yeah.
jamie vernon
Thick cut venison steak.
joe list
Hey, I could be wrong.
jamie vernon
Now they have a big game burger they've just launched.
joe rogan
Hey, there you go.
I don't think deer...
Whale's unusual.
joe list
Yeah.
joe rogan
Yeah.
joe list
Both were in Norway.
It was reindeer.
Does that make a difference?
joe rogan
Yeah, reindeer is caribou.
joe list
Okay.
joe rogan
Yeah, it's a different animal.
It's a different animal.
It literally was on Santa's fucking sled.
joe list
Alright, well I had reindeer.
joe rogan
You know what the difference between a reindeer and a caribou is?
joe list
No.
joe rogan
A reindeer is in a fenced-in area.
A caribou is wild.
joe list
Oh, okay.
joe rogan
Same animal.
joe list
I literally thought this was going to be like a street joke, like a kid's popsicle stick joke.
unidentified
No, no, no.
joe rogan
When they call it a reindeer, it's when they're captive.
Because they can domesticate them, and they even ride them.
joe list
That's fun.
joe rogan
Yeah.
There's this dude that I had on the podcast who won Alone.
Jordan Jonas.
Really cool guy.
You ever see Alone?
joe list
No, but I know about it.
I just heard about it.
joe rogan
His episode was amazing.
He shot a moose with a bow and arrow and then a wolverine was stealing the moose and he killed the wolverine with a hatchet.
joe list
Holy shit.
joe rogan
It's a crazy fucking show, but he had a massive advantage going into that show because he had spent time living with tribal people in Siberia.
joe list
Wow.
joe rogan
Like he had spent time with all these folks that they ride around on these caribou or reindeer, right?
Yeah, they domesticate them.
joe list
That's fucking crazy.
joe rogan
Yeah, see if you can find some of those photos.
joe list
Like Santa, like a real life Santa.
joe rogan
They also kill him and eat him.
You know, it's kind of interesting.
It's like they have this very strange relationship with them, but they revere them because it's a massive part of their survival.
But they've managed to domesticate a deer species, which I don't think there's other deer species that are domesticated like that to the point where you can ride them.
jamie vernon
It says reindeer are the only deer species to be wildly domesticated.
joe rogan
Ah, there you go.
joe list
Are there wild horses still?
Like, do you go to places where there's horses just fucking running around?
unidentified
Oh yeah.
joe rogan
Yeah, see, look at these people riding fucking caribous.
joe list
No shit.
joe rogan
Isn't that crazy?
joe list
Hell yeah.
joe rogan
So that's a, I mean, that's not even like a bred down, you know, like a husky used to be a wolf.
That's an actual caribou.
And that's a big one.
They can fucking, you feed them and you can ride them.
Which is crazy.
joe list
And where is this?
joe rogan
So these people herd them.
This was in Siberia where he did it.
I don't know where this is right here.
jamie vernon
Must be that area.
joe rogan
Click on that big picture with the article below it, Reindeer Riders, Historically Semi-Nomadic People in Several Parts of the World of Domesticated Reindeer.
Mongolia.
Wow.
So it's in Mongolia.
I know it's in Siberia.
joe list
Yeah, there you go.
Mongolia, Siberia, Northern Europe.
Perhaps in Norway.
joe rogan
Isn't that wild?
So this dude, he lived with those folks.
So, like, that's a hard, scrabble life.
You know, so he had a massive advantage being alone.
And he was good with a bow and arrow.
So when he killed a moose, he had food for, like, six months.
joe list
So that's different than this naked and afraid, also.
Is that a similar...
joe rogan
Yeah, that shows more exploitative.
This is people with actual skills and survival, and they give them a limited number of tools.
Like, this guy was allowed to have a few tools.
joe list
Right.
joe rogan
You're allowed to have one of these, one of that, one of those.
And then you have to build shelter, you have to find food, you have to do all these different things.
joe list
My friend James Patterson, a comedian, he came up with a good show idea that I think is good.
joe rogan
Don't say it on here, someone won't steal it.
joe list
You think?
But it's already said, we have it time stamped.
Can I not say?
Because it's pretty good.
joe rogan
Unless you want to go to court.
joe list
I've credited him.
joe rogan
And fight those weasels.
joe list
No one's going to take this.
unidentified
Oh, this is good.
joe list
You know the Into the Wild?
You know that book?
joe rogan
Yeah.
joe list
John Krakauer?
My favorite book of all time.
joe rogan
It's a good book.
joe list
I love Krakauer.
You ever have him on?
unidentified
Uh-uh.
joe list
He's a fascinating guy.
I've never met him, but his books are amazing.
But anyways...
You know, Christopher McCandless, it turned out he was quite close to civilization or whatever.
joe rogan
Yeah, really close.
joe list
And my friend James had an idea that we should take people, put them where he was, and they have to have sex, consensual sex, with a woman within 72 hours.
So they have to get out of there.
But once they're out, that's not the whole show.
Then they have to shower up and hook up with a woman.
joe rogan
God.
joe list
That's pretty good.
You have a survival show and a dating show combined.
joe rogan
You know what's funny?
If it was the opposite, if it was a woman and she had to have consensual sex with a man, it's a fucking home run.
joe list
But that's quite easy.
joe rogan
Isn't that amazing?
joe list
She could just get out of the woods.
joe rogan
The difference in the desirability of men versus females is quite amazing.
joe list
Is it desirability or the need to fuck?
Like a man will fuck anybody.
Is it because women are more desirable or is it because men need to fuck more?
joe rogan
No, well, it's also women are more vulnerable because if they fuck, they might have to carry that guy's baby around with them.
So genetically, they're more reluctant to breed unless they know you better, unless you're, you know?
unidentified
Right.
joe list
Good point.
joe rogan
Yeah.
joe list
But isn't that a fun show?
I'm not saying it's the greatest show here.
joe rogan
I mean, it might be fun.
joe list
If you hate it, it's not my idea.
It was my friend Jane.
joe rogan
It might be fun.
What was the show, MILF Manor, where the ladies brought their sons and the sons banged all the other MILFs?
joe list
I don't know, but I want to be part of it.
I mean, that's the show.
I gotta talk to my agent.
joe rogan
Isn't that what it was called?
Was it MILF Manor or MILF Island?
I remember we were watching a preview before the show actually came out and we were predicting what the fuck was going down on MILF Manor, but I never watched it.
joe list
I'm about to have sex with a milf.
unidentified
My wife is about to be a mother, and I'm gonna have sex.
joe list
I haven't had sex with a mother in a long time.
joe rogan
When is she about to pop?
joe list
Like three weeks from now.
unidentified
Wow.
joe list
It's crazy.
This is my last hoorah.
I'm out there.
I'm going.
It's all happening.
joe rogan
You're gonna love it.
joe list
Yeah, I'm very excited.
I think it'll be great.
joe rogan
Yeah, you're gonna love it.
It's a life changer, that's for sure.
joe list
Yeah, of course.
joe rogan
Perspective enhancer, you know?
It's going to be wild.
joe list
Yeah, I'm excited.
I'm looking forward to it.
I think it'll be fun.
joe rogan
You worried she's going to hear...
Is it a boy or a girl?
joe list
It's a boy.
joe rogan
No worries, then.
joe list
Yeah.
It's going to be weird.
I mean, I've...
joe rogan
The girls hearing all your material about you, like, not liking your balls played with.
joe list
Yeah, I mean, all this stuff.
I mean, but my son's going to hear all this.
joe rogan
Yeah, he's going to go, me too, Dad.
unidentified
Yeah.
joe rogan
What the fuck are they doing down there?
joe list
Good point.
It is nice.
But yeah, it's crazy how many...
It's weird to think of my father, if there was like 4,000 hours of my dad just talking about women he's fucked and what he likes, and eating cum.
joe rogan
And whether or not you would eat cum for a million dollars.
I'd eat cum for $800.
joe list
I mean, how crazy is the idea of you hearing your parents talk about eating cum out of somebody's asshole?
And you're like, what the fuck?
joe rogan
Maybe in the future that won't be scary at all.
joe list
I guess not, but it's wacky.
joe rogan
It is wacky.
joe list
And also that your son is going to be like, this is how you made a living?
And you're like, yeah, pretty good one.
joe rogan
They might be like, wow, I don't want to work either.
Do you think that it would be as easy to grow up in a loving household and be a funny comedian, though?
joe list
I think it's probably doable.
I'm sure there are people...
I mean, I feel like, you know, Ted Alexander, you know that comedian?
unidentified
Mm-hmm.
joe list
One of the best comedians ever.
He's like one of my favorite comics.
And he seems to come from a very good home.
He's talked about his parents.
He's very family-oriented and just a community guy.
He seems very normal to me, and he's hilarious.
joe rogan
That's possible.
It's possible.
There's the outliers.
joe list
Because, I mean, you can come from a very loving and silly family.
unidentified
Right.
joe list
You know what I mean?
Like, your family is very fun, and we're all together telling stories and fun and silly.
joe rogan
But the point was, what I was gonna try to get to is, is there any stand-up comic who had a kid that became a great stand-up comic?
joe list
Oh, the kid becomes a comic.
Let me think.
I think Greg Giraldo's son is doing comedy.
joe rogan
Is he good?
joe list
I've never seen him.
I think he's very new.
joe rogan
He's also probably gone through a lot of pain.
joe list
Of course.
joe rogan
It's a different thing.
joe list
Yeah.
joe rogan
Yeah, almost like you're carrying the mantle for your father, who was a great comic.
joe list
Who else is...
joe rogan
Is that the word?
Carrying the mantle?
Why does that sound so dumb?
Right?
joe list
Carrying the mantle.
joe rogan
I'm thinking like mantelpiece.
joe list
Well, you don't carry a mantle.
joe rogan
Mantelpiece is the place where you put the mantle.
unidentified
Yeah.
joe rogan
So mantle...
What is a mantle?
It's like an award.
joe list
Mickey mantle.
Isn't that the top?
No, that's the top of the fireplace is the mantle.
joe rogan
That's the mantelpiece.
joe list
That's the mantelpiece?
joe rogan
Yeah.
I think.
joe list
I only just know it as the mantle.
joe rogan
To hold a specific role or position along with any associated responsibilities.
And then what does mantelpiece mean?
Google mantelpiece.
I think mantelpiece is where you showcase your mantles.
joe list
I don't know.
joe rogan
What does mantelpiece mean?
joe list
I don't know mantelpiece.
joe rogan
Isn't mantelpiece the fucking top of a chimney?
You know, like a fireplace?
Isn't that a mantelpiece?
joe list
I thought that was just mantle.
joe rogan
Jamie, can you just Google mantelpiece?
jamie vernon
I don't even know how to...
joe rogan
Right?
You know how to spell it.
Well, you're playing dumb.
joe list
Mantle piece.
joe rogan
Yeah, so that's what it is.
So a mantel piece is a structure, wood, marble, or stone above or around the fireplace.
You guys are acting like I'm crazy.
jamie vernon
I've never heard of it.
unidentified
But I think they've shown it.
joe rogan
Just trust me and Google it next time instead of undermining my confidence.
I was terrified that you were going to be right.
jamie vernon
No, I was more like, I'm not sure if I'm supposed to be spelling piece the way I think to spell it.
If it's two words.
joe rogan
So complicated, Jamie.
How'd you get through it?
joe list
I mean, but I think people shorten it to mantle.
joe rogan
Is that what it is?
When you grew up, was it mantle?
jamie vernon
I've never heard anyone call mantelpiece.
I've never even heard that in my life.
joe rogan
Well, maybe it's because I did construction a lot as a kid, but it was always mantelpiece.
joe list
I don't know.
I never heard mantelpiece either.
But I'm not, you know, I'm not fighting you on it.
Obviously, it's a thing.
joe rogan
You know, wood-burning fireplaces in the house, they're fucking amazing, right?
joe list
Yeah, my parents have one.
It's delightful.
joe rogan
One of the worst contributors to pollution.
One of the worst.
If you're in a neighborhood and everyone has a burning fire of wood in their fucking house, it's just smoke everywhere.
It's like you basically, the town has a brush fire.
joe list
But I mean, it can't be worse than a 747 flying across the neighborhood.
Really?
joe rogan
Oh yeah, it's worse.
Oh, yeah.
Yeah, forest fires?
You remember one of those forest fires in Canada?
Remember how bad New York was?
joe list
Yeah, yeah.
joe rogan
That's real bad for you.
joe list
Sure.
joe rogan
Real bad.
That's smoke.
joe list
Right.
joe rogan
Burning wood smoke.
The jet is like up in the sky and it's dispersed by winds.
It's not good, but you're not like getting it in the face.
joe list
Right.
Yeah, good point.
joe rogan
You're getting that smoke in your face, man.
joe list
No, because it's going up the fucking flute.
And then to the sky.
joe rogan
No, it's going up like this and then it settles down everywhere.
It's like a fog in the neighborhood.
That's why you smell it everywhere.
It just depends on how many fireplaces you have, how close the houses are together.
But I never even thought about it until like two years ago.
I was reading this article about the amount of air pollution that comes from wood-burning stoves.
And I think it was California that outlawed wood-burning stoves.
Or wood-burning fireplaces, rather.
I don't think you could build a new house with a wood-burning fireplace anymore in California.
joe list
Now what about campfires?
Those must be horrible too, right?
joe rogan
Terrible.
But campfires is like, there's one little fire, and it's, you know, hopefully you're fucking smart, you know what you're doing, it's not too windy, and you know how to make it in a clearing and all that, so you don't light the fucking whole woods on fire.
joe list
Right.
joe rogan
But yeah, it's not good.
You know, the real bad thing is obviously forest fires.
Forest fires, wildfires, when those things get going, like, entire towns are blanketed with smoke for weeks.
joe list
Yeah, it was crazy.
I mean, I was in New York earlier this summer or spring, I think it was summer, and it was fucking wild.
You couldn't see the buildings.
joe rogan
The weird thing was it was like an orange color.
joe list
Yeah.
joe rogan
Everybody was speculating, what are they burning?
That was when the tinfoil hatters were talking about, like, there's a bunch of chemicals that were missing from some train.
You know, do you know about that story?
There's some toxic chemicals that were missing, like, they're burning the toxic chemicals up in Canada!
joe list
No, I don't get a lot of good conspiracy theories.
joe rogan
How come?
Baseball talk's in your head.
joe list
I'm all baseball.
I'm Scorsese baseball, baby.
I like to live a nice, innocent life.
joe rogan
Good for you.
joe list
Just cruising along.
joe rogan
Good for you.
joe list
Writing bits, watching sports.
joe rogan
This guy's orange for whatever reason.
Who cares?
joe list
Well, because the sun is behind it.
There's sun and smoke, so it makes orange.
The sun is orange.
I've colored.
It's a big...
joe rogan
I've never seen that orange.
joe list
Well, it's yellow, whatever.
joe rogan
I've never seen forest fires that orange.
joe list
The sun's not yellow, it's chicken.
joe rogan
It's white?
joe list
Bob Dylan.
unidentified
It's white.
joe rogan
What is?
The sun?
jamie vernon
Yeah.
joe rogan
Yeah.
It's what you're getting through the blue of the sky and all the...
That's what makes it look yellow.
joe list
Well, whatever.
That's another conspiracy theory.
joe rogan
But the...
That orange smoke...
Show me some photos of what that looks like.
The smoke that was in New York City.
Because it looks crazy orange.
Like, almost like...
Like you're burning Cheetos.
joe list
But the sunset is orange.
So the sun's setting and you got smoke and so it becomes orangey.
joe rogan
Maybe.
But I don't think it was during sunset that this was happening.
joe list
So what do you think?
Like people ran down and threw chemicals in the fire?
joe rogan
No, I think it might be just whatever the kind of wood that's burning.
What kind of, you know, what's getting burnt?
I don't know.
I really have no idea.
joe list
All right.
joe rogan
You ever see how many fucking trees are in Canada?
joe list
There's a lot of trees.
There's like...
joe rogan
See, that's what it looked like.
joe list
Some amount of billion trees.
joe rogan
So this is 1.30pm, 1.45pm, 2pm.
That's unusual, dude.
joe list
Yeah.
joe rogan
That's not just the sun.
That's unusual.
Whatever the fuck that is, that's very unusual for it to look like that.
Go to the last part of the frame, Jimmy.
So this is what it looks like as it blows in at 11.30, 12.30, 1.00, 1.15, 1.30, 1.45, like right there.
Stop at 2. Yeah, that's bad.
That's not normal.
joe list
No.
joe rogan
That's a dark orange at 2 p.m., so that's not like sunset.
It's weird.
I mean, I don't know why that smoke is orange.
But it's fucking weird.
So that's when the conspiracy theories come in.
Right.
There's hundreds of thousands of gallons mixed.
They're trying to poison us.
Depopulation!
joe list
Do you believe it?
joe rogan
No.
I don't believe it, but I don't know.
I mean, I don't know if something else burnt up there they're not telling us about.
I mean, it's Canada.
joe list
Yeah, you never know.
joe rogan
Do you trust them?
joe list
Who?
Canadians?
joe rogan
I trust the people.
joe list
I like hockey.
joe rogan
I like the hockey too.
joe list
I like Jim Carrey.
joe rogan
I like the people.
The people are awesome.
joe list
Yeah, they're the best.
joe rogan
The people running the country that are a problem.
joe list
I don't really know much about them.
joe rogan
I think we should build a wall.
joe list
Fuck it, let's do it.
joe rogan
Build a wall.
We've got a lot of wood.
It's all wood up there.
joe list
If it catches fire though, it'll be like so fucking orange.
unidentified
Just make a ditch next to the wood so the fire doesn't spread.
joe list
That's not bad.
No, I love Canada.
I looked it up one time because my father-in-law once said there must be two trillion trees in the world.
What do you think the number is?
joe rogan
In the whole world?
joe list
Yeah.
unidentified
Hmm.
joe list
I think he went high.
I believe it's less than that.
joe rogan
I'm going to say 1.7 trillion trees.
It's a total guess.
joe list
I think it's in the billions.
I'm going to say it's like 400 billion trees.
joe rogan
I bet it's more than that.
joe list
I think I remember.
But I also thought fucking that lady had a mustache.
jamie vernon
You're both wrong.
joe rogan
What is it?
jamie vernon
3.04 trillion.
unidentified
Wow.
joe list
That's more.
See, I knew he was off, but really he went low.
unidentified
Wow.
joe rogan
Well, maybe when he said it, it was that number.
joe list
I mean, this was like three years ago.
joe rogan
Well, this is the thing.
This is the crazy thing about this whole climate change discussion and one of the things that people conveniently like to ignore.
This is like one of the greenest periods in recorded history.
Wouldn't you think we're cutting down all the trees and there's less trees, there's less green than ever before?
No.
Carbon dioxide is food for plants.
And there's more plants now than there have been in the last 20 plus years.
When they say the greening of Earth because of climate change, Google that.
What percentage more green is the Earth today than 50 years ago?
joe list
Is that probably because there's more rain and shit?
joe rogan
More carbon dioxide.
Yeah, literally it's food for them.
joe list
But there's huge forest fires, all these places like Greece that they didn't used to be.
joe rogan
Yeah, but that was man-made.
This is the other thing they keep talking about with all this climate change stuff.
Yeah, there's definitely been forest fires, but a shit ton of them are man-made.
A shit ton of them are accidents.
The one in Hawaii, power lines fell over.
A lot of it's bad maintenance.
The Hawaii one's definitely bad maintenance.
They didn't chop down the dry grass near the power lines.
They also need to bury power lines.
That's fucking stupid.
Especially in places you got high winds, bury your fucking power lines.
Look what happened.
The United States should take care of that too, by the way, right?
And then there's also forest management.
You're supposed to go into these forests and take out all the dead wood.
joe list
Right.
Controlled burns and all that shit.
joe rogan
Yeah, but they have to take it out.
They remove it.
And it's valuable.
They can do stuff with that wood.
joe list
Right.
joe rogan
So they need to log the dead wood out of the forest.
They were talking about that during the Trump administration.
He was blaming some of the fires they were having in California on poor management of the forests.
And then I was like, that sounds like a ridiculous thing.
And I talked to a guy who was actually...
Works with wildlife biology and it's like it's really critical to do.
joe list
Right.
joe rogan
Like that's why they do control burns.
That's why they do get rid of, you know, dead wood.
Like if you don't do it and then you have something comes in like the bark beetle and it kills like a giant percentage of the trees.
Carbon dioxide fertilization greening earth study finds.
From a quarter to half of Earth's vegetated lands have showed significant greening over the last 35 years, largely due to the rising levels of atmospheric carbon dioxide, according to a new study published in the Journal of Nature Climate Change in April 25th.
International team of 32 offers in 24 institutions in eight countries led the effort which involved using satellite data from NASA's moderate resolution imaging spectrometer.
Ooh, that sounds cool.
And the National Oceanic and Atmospheric Administration's advanced very high resolution radiometer.
Instruments to help determine the leaf area index or amount of leaf cover over the planet's vegetated regions.
The greening represents an increase in leaves on plants and trees equivalent in an area to two times the continental United States.
joe list
Great.
joe rogan
Yeah.
They don't say that.
Because if they say that, then people go, well, wait, this is not better.
This is not good.
Shut up.
unidentified
Climate change is bad and you need to go electric.
joe list
Are you not scared of climate change and all the high temperatures and all that shit and the storms and the fires and all that business?
joe rogan
I'm always concerned about weather because it's unpredictable.
joe list
Right.
joe rogan
And the thing about climate change...
Is there's, for sure, humans are affecting it.
To deny that seems crazy.
We're fucking burning fossil fuels.
But also, it's never been stable, like, ever in history.
unidentified
Right.
joe rogan
In the history of the Earth, it's always done this crazy shit.
And there's been massive ice ages where we weren't burning nothing.
And then there's been, like, the dinosaur times, where it was way fucking hotter.
And there's been times on Earth where there was no ice in the polar caps.
And there's been times on Earth where there's way more, and half of North America was covered in over a mile of ice.
Right.
joe list
So we'll be alright.
joe rogan
I'm scared of ice ages, dude.
joe list
No, we'll be fine.
joe rogan
Yeah, maybe.
But that's the thing to be scared of.
joe list
Really?
joe rogan
Yeah, yeah.
joe list
I feel like I hear a lot more concerned scientists about, you know, heat than ice.
joe rogan
Right, because that's the subject du jour.
That's the thing you worry about more than terrorism.
joe list
Right, but this isn't...
I'm not talking like NBC. I'm talking like NASA fucking Stephen Hawking.
I know he's dead, but, you know...
joe rogan
I don't think he was on the climate change thing.
joe list
He was.
joe rogan
He was paying attention much more to the whole universe, I think.
joe list
But he was worried about it, I think.
I heard him mention it somewhere.
Well, it is a concern.
joe rogan
Like, if the Earth gets warmer, it is a concern.
But if the Earth gets cooler, that's a concern too.
Sure.
It's just like life on Earth is like insanely unpredictable, you know?
And they definitely need to figure out what kind of effect we're having on it, but they need to be like completely honest about what they know and what the data shows and what the problem is and how to fix it.
joe list
Right.
joe rogan
For sure there's a pollution problem, for sure.
Like the fact that we ignore what we're doing in the ocean is crazy.
joe list
Yeah, that's what I always thought.
It's like, even if you're not concerned with climate change, it's like, well, aren't you interested in making the air cleaner and the water?
I mean, shouldn't we have a cleaner place to live?
joe rogan
100%.
That should be everybody's concern, to eliminate pollution.
joe list
But yeah, my buddy lives in Seattle, and at one point they have this huge park.
I have many huge parks there, but there was one park in particular, Lincoln Park, and they were going to cut down like 80 trees and all these environmentalists.
People were going crazy and like stop it, and they were chaining themselves.
And they were like, no, no, we're forest people.
We need to get rid of these for whatever reason that's beyond me.
But they were like, there's 7,000 trees in this park.
We're getting rid of 80 because they're, whatever, problematic.
I don't know the science behind it.
They're like, we're not building a parking lot.
We're not just chomping down and building a skyscraper.
Like, we know what we're doing.
joe rogan
Meanwhile, these idiots are gluing their hands to monkey bars.
unidentified
Yeah.
joe list
All those guys in the U.S. Open.
He glued his feet.
Did you see that guy?
joe rogan
See the guy who did it on a Formula One track?
joe list
No.
joe rogan
He glued his hand to the ground to the track to stop the race.
And they just ripped his hand off the fucking concrete.
They couldn't do it.
And then this guy just grabs him and rips his hand off.
And you see the guy like...
joe list
It's like a Home Alone fucking trick.
Have you seen it?
No, I haven't seen it.
But it's like we were talking about earlier.
It is people that think they're doing the right thing, but they're really just losing people from the cause.
Because you're like, well, why are you interrupting my fucking tennis match?
It makes me want to go spray fucking hair and let my car run all night.
joe rogan
Well, they're just people that this is their quest.
You know, this is the thing that gives them value.
This is the thing that makes them feel like they're useful in the world.
joe list
Right.
joe rogan
To run out onto the tennis court and stop the match because we've got to...
Climate change!
They're just crazy people, man, and they're co-opted by this movement.
joe list
It's also funny because the US Open is like 80% of people take the 7 train there.
It's actually quite a green event.
joe rogan
Yeah, and all the people that are green activists flew there in a private jet.
It's all bonkers.
joe list
But they think they're helping.
joe rogan
Yeah, they asked Bill Gates about that.
unidentified
I think the overall good that I do is...
joe rogan
Okay that I drive a private jet.
unidentified
The overall good that I do for climate change.
joe list
You're very good at impressions and voices.
You don't get enough credit.
You had a good Trump earlier.
You did some other British voice.
joe rogan
They're just half decent.
I can only do a few voices legitimately.
I don't have a good range.
joe list
I can do Yoda.
joe rogan
Hope you I can.
joe list
Whoa!
joe rogan
We can do that one.
joe list
Holy shit, you're just sitting on this talent?
joe rogan
Yeah, that one's easy.
joe list
And Miss Piggy, if you can do Yoda, you can do Miss Piggy.
Similar.
Frank Oz.
unidentified
This is very impressive.
joe list
You got a Chewbacca?
I mean, this is unbelievable.
joe rogan
Chewbacca's an easy one, though.
Chewbacca was the most preposterous creature in all of Star Wars.
Because here you got this giant monkey thing with fur covering over his dick.
No furry thing has fur covering its dick, but he conveniently is dickless.
Also, he's got no pants on, and he's got the hairiest ass of all time.
How does he shit, and how does he wash it off, and how does he take that bare ass and sit down in the cockpit?
joe list
That's a good point.
He should have a pair of shorts.
joe rogan
He should have a diaper on.
He can't even talk.
What is he?
joe list
He's a Wookiee.
joe rogan
He's a Wookiee, right?
joe list
He's a big Wookiee.
joe rogan
Where's his shit?
Where are they storing?
Does he use the regular bathroom on the fucking millennial?
joe list
Well, it's a 90-minute movie.
You can't have a shit thing.
joe rogan
I want answers, though.
What if you're sitting on that fucking same seat that Chewbacca was just on with his crusty ass?
joe list
I wouldn't like that.
My buddy just had another, my friend Matt Wayne, who I mentioned earlier, had another point.
He has like bullets across his chest.
A bandolier.
He's got like shotgun shells.
Why does he have a gun?
joe rogan
It's a bandolier.
So it's a thing that contains cartridges.
If you look at the bandolier, they're cartridges for his rifle.
joe list
It's a laser rifle.
They're all shooting lasers.
joe rogan
No one else has cartridges.
It probably has power.
It's a good point.
Yeah, no one else has that.
But they have pistols.
And doesn't he have a rifle?
joe list
They have pistols, but they're like...
joe rogan
Yeah, he has a rifle.
So those things are cartridges.
They look like cartridges to me.
Yeah.
Oh, that's interesting.
They're different.
So that one on your right, Jamie, that looks like a costume that you buy.
That looks fake.
What is that?
Yeah.
Maybe he wears different stuff in different movies.
joe list
Yeah, maybe he doesn't have bullets.
joe rogan
Because that's what it looks like to me.
The flat things is what it looks like to me.
Yeah.
joe list
Maybe it's a bad point.
joe rogan
He's got a crossbow?
That's ridiculous.
joe list
No, this is too modern.
That's not Chewbacca.
He's got a mustache.
joe rogan
That looks like AI stuff.
joe list
Yes, it does.
joe rogan
That looks like AI stuff.
Did he have a kind of a crossbow?
Now I'm thinking he kind of did.
joe list
No, he didn't have a crossbow.
joe rogan
I think he kind of did.
I think he got a crossbow that shot lasers.
joe list
Get the hell out of here.
He didn't have a crossbow.
joe rogan
Yeah, no, I think he did.
A bowcaster.
joe list
What?
joe rogan
A bowcaster, yeah.
So it didn't pull back like a bow.
But there was like something, like you didn't have to like reload it with every shot.
But I think, what did it do?
Yeah, see?
He had a fucking crossbow.
joe list
No, none of these are in the movie.
joe rogan
Yes, it is.
joe list
Look, he's in, like, Michigan right there.
This house is back there.
joe rogan
They're ice fishing.
joe list
That's not Star Wars.
jamie vernon
That's a toy to make it look like.
joe rogan
That's a toy.
joe list
Yeah, that's not...
joe rogan
They're ice fishing.
jamie vernon
There you go, right here.
A bowcaster combines traditional craftsmanship with galactic technology.
joe rogan
Ah, see?
There you go.
jamie vernon
Firing metal coral enclosed in plasma energy.
joe rogan
Yeah.
It does say it appears in Star Wars 4. So that's why he's got those things around his waist, or his shoulders, rather.
jamie vernon
It's all been thought through.
joe rogan
Yeah.
The first movies, man, were fucking amazing.
When I was a kid, when Star Wars came out, I think we saw it like 13 times.
It was a thing with me and my friends.
Like, how many times can you see Star Wars?
Scrape up some money, go see Star Wars.
joe list
The Return of the Jedi is really silly.
joe rogan
I don't remember.
joe list
The Wookiees beat the fucking Imperial Army with rocks and stuff.
They're throwing sticks at them.
joe rogan
The Ewoks?
joe list
Yeah, the Ewoks.
joe rogan
Oh, the Ewoks.
They're the cute Wookiees.
joe list
Yeah, it was really silly.
They're rolling logs and they're all Emperor or whatever the fuck you call it.
joe rogan
Did you like Avatar?
joe list
I hated Avatar.
joe rogan
Really?
joe list
Yeah.
I just thought it was so heavy-handed.
I'm not a big...
unidentified
Cartoony, well, purple things.
joe rogan
Blue people.
joe list
Blue people, and it just felt very like, we're fighting the war for the thing under the ground.
Which, you know, I was against Iraq War, but it felt so like...
joe rogan
Yeah.
joe list
The war!
joe rogan
I loved it.
joe list
Me too.
I like whatever you like, I like.
joe rogan
I know that, but that's a suspension of disbelief, and it's a comic book movie, essentially.
joe list
Yeah, I'm just not...
That's not my scene.
joe rogan
I love comic book movies.
I love, like, the Avengers and the Hulk and Spider-Man and all that stuff.
They're fun.
But I grew up as a kid reading comic books.
So when they became legitimate...
Like, when I was a kid, I was really into comic books, and the only thing you could get was, like, the Spider-Man cartoon on TV. There was no, like, real...
There was the Incredible Hulk when it became a TV show later.
But there was nothing like the Avengers.
There's nothing like these movies.
There was only Superman.
And Superman to me was like DC Comics.
And DC Comics were like back before there was a typewriter.
There was something about their superheroes.
They just didn't appeal to me.
They were more like 1950s superheroes.
Whereas...
The Marvel comics to me, where they were like way more complex, like Phoenix from the X-Men, like she was basically a god.
And there was just, there was like so many, like Doctor Doom and fucking Doctor Strange, the Silver Surfer, they were cool.
There were different kinds of superheroes.
I get it, you know what I mean?
joe list
Yeah, you were a gay kid, that's cool.
That's cool.
You changed and you evolved.
No, I just never...
I like the Christopher Nolan Batmans.
joe rogan
Oh, yeah.
joe list
Those were fun.
I like those a lot.
joe rogan
Those are good.
Who's your favorite Batman?
Who's the best Batman?
joe list
I really like Christian Bale.
I mean, I love Keaton.
I mean, I grew up with Keaton.
That was exciting, but Christian Bale, I really...
joe rogan
He's the most believable Batman.
joe list
Yeah, he's just a world-class actor, and I liked his fucking Batman voice.
joe rogan
His Batman voice.
But he's also jacked.
He was the first Batman to be jacked.
joe list
Yeah, no, he's great.
And those fucking movies rule.
I was just talking about that.
I just re-watched Dark Knight on the plane.
And Heath Ledger is like unrecognizable in that movie.
And he's so good that he actually feels like because you can't see any Heath Ledger in him, it feels like that's a fucking weird entity thing.
Like the Tim Burton one, you're like, oh, there's Jack Nicholson with makeup on.
The Heath Ledger one, it feels like a fucking weird guy.
joe rogan
Joaquin Phoenix is the scariest one.
Because that one's the most realistic, the most probable.
Yeah.
And the weird thing is, like, when that movie came out, it was before society fell apart.
joe list
Right.
joe rogan
And then that movie showed, like, this ultimate collapse of society, the rebellion of the underclass, taking things down and burning to the ground, this one fucking maniac.
Leading the charge.
Very Antifa.
unidentified
Right?
joe rogan
And then all that stuff started happening during the George Floyd riots and the chaos in the streets and when bricks would just show up on the corner of streets and people would be throwing them through windows and the cops would stand by when people were looting.
Things we'd never seen in our life.
It was very Joker-esque.
And that dude...
Was an amazing Joker.
He looked fucking insane in that movie.
joe list
Well, he's another just fucking incredible actor.
But there's like three Jokers now, right now.
There's like the Joaquin Joker and then there's...
joe rogan
Jared Leto.
joe list
Jared Leto and then there's the new one.
joe rogan
There's a new one?
joe list
The Batman.
The last scene.
joe rogan
Who's the new Joker?
joe list
That actor who's great.
He's in Killing of a Sacred Deer, which fucking rules.
joe rogan
Yeah, they're all...
joe list
I forget his name.
joe rogan
That's the most complex character, is the Heath Ledger Joker and the Joaquin Joker.
Those are the...
I mean, those are wild.
Who is that guy?
joe list
What's his name?
He's fantastic.
joe rogan
Can we see this?
I haven't seen this.
jamie vernon
It's a deleted scene.
I want you to respect it.
joe rogan
Who's the Batman here?
jamie vernon
Robert Pattinson.
joe rogan
Oh, that's right.
unidentified
It's a long scene.
joe rogan
They barely show his face.
joe list
I think they're saving him for the second movie.
joe rogan
Oh, interesting.
joe list
Because they just tease it at the end of the first one.
unidentified
There.
joe rogan
Oh, interesting.
joe list
Ooh, that's fun.
joe rogan
It looks good.
I like it.
joe list
What's that actor's name?
jamie vernon
I will look up.
joe list
He's really good.
Do you ever get into those Yorgos movies, Killing of a Sacred Deer?
joe rogan
No.
joe list
Oh, you gotta check it out.
He's a Greek filmmaker.
I don't know how to say his last name.
Yorgos something.
So I have to read?
joe rogan
You're gonna make me read?
joe list
No, no.
I mean, he has a movie called Dogtooth that's amazing, and that is in Greek.
You'd have to read that one.
But Killing of a Sacred Deer is Nicole Kidman and Colin Farrell.
joe rogan
What was this?
joe list
It's fucking great.
Really?
Like 2015, 2016, maybe?
unidentified
I've never heard of it.
joe rogan
I'm going to write it down so I watch it.
I'm always looking for something to watch.
joe list
You'd love it.
It's a real...
Alicia Silverstone is in it.
joe rogan
Killing of a Sacred Deer.
joe list
Yeah, it's really fucked up.
It's kind of funny.
Yeah, that's the kid who's also the Joker.
I think his name's Barry Keegan.
I just saw it for a second.
He's really good, but it's a really fucked up, disturbing movie.
This guy, Yorgos, makes these really disturbing movies.
joe rogan
That's amazing.
I never even heard of it.
joe list
Oh, it's awesome.
Yeah, highly recommend.
That's a fun poster.
unidentified
Okay.
joe list
Yeah, check it out.
I don't know how to say his name.
Lan Themos.
He's got a new movie coming out with Emma Stone.
joe rogan
You're a real movie buff, huh?
joe list
I mean, I'm a lover of movies.
I don't know.
I don't know if I'm a buff.
joe rogan
You find yourself, like, wanting to create your own?
joe list
Yeah, I mean, I did the movie with Louis.
joe rogan
Right, but I mean, like, from scratch?
joe list
Yeah, definitely.
I want to do more.
I'm making a documentary right now about a comedian named Tom Dustin, a buddy of mine, that we're almost finished with.
In fact, I wanted to ask you, I asked Jamie earlier.
There's like a four-second clip.
He runs a club in Key West.
I think I already talked about it here.
And we have a clip from this show that's like four seconds.
It's literally just you saying, is there a club in Key West?
And Ari's like, yeah, it's a small club.
joe rogan
Yeah, I know Tom Rhodes worked there.
I was following him on Instagram, and I saw he was at Key West.
I was like, oh, that looks like a fun place to go to.
joe list
Yeah, it's fucking great, and my buddy Tom Dustin, we started together in Boston, and we were drunk and wild, and I kind of got sober and went to New York, and then he kept drinking and went to Key West, and it's kind of the story of our little paths, and he's just a hilarious, amazing comedian.
joe rogan
And he owns the club?
joe list
He co-owns the club and runs it.
He emcees and books it and he's living the Key West life.
unidentified
I like that.
joe list
He's a fascinating guy and he's fucking hilarious.
There's a bunch of stand-up in it and great stories.
joe rogan
How often do they have to evacuate?
joe list
I don't think that often.
joe rogan
Really?
joe list
No, I don't think they've evacuated in a long time.
joe rogan
Hurricanes don't get them?
joe list
They do, but not that often.
Every few years, I think.
I think they just wait out the storms.
They have weird rules.
They can't build high-rises there and all that shit, but...
joe rogan
Can they make hurricane-proof houses?
joe list
One does every six years.
Yeah, there you go.
It's been a while.
joe rogan
Can you show me the clip?
We'll end with that.
Show me the clip from this documentary.
joe list
I haven't, I don't...
joe rogan
Do I have it?
joe list
I don't have it.
Yeah, shit, it's on my phone.
I should have sent it ahead.
I fucked up.
joe rogan
It's on your phone?
joe list
Yeah.
joe rogan
Yeah, send it to Jamie.
jamie vernon
If you can, can you drop it to me or is it a link?
joe list
Let me see.
Oh, God.
I should have done this before.
unidentified
Don't worry about it.
joe rogan
Don't worry about it.
If it takes too long, we'll just edit it.
joe list
I fucked up.
joe rogan
Don't sweat it at all.
joe list
Let me see if I can find it.
joe rogan
While you're doing this, let me just tell you how much fun it's been having you in town.
joe list
Oh, man.
unidentified
I enjoyed it.
joe list
Thank you.
joe rogan
I enjoyed it.
It's cool.
One of the cool things about the comedy mothership is when people come through and hang out for a few days.
And just, it's just like every week, you know, and these comics that are coming up, they all get exposed to all these brilliant, like Colin was just here, and all the, I didn't get a chance to see him, I was too busy, but all the comics were here, it was just raving about how great he was, and how much fun it was.
They said it was a master class, they said he's just brilliant on stage.
joe list
Well, Colin's the fucking best.
joe rogan
He's so underrated.
It's like him and Attell are so brilliant, but yet do not promote themselves at all.
joe list
Yeah, I think he's getting better at it, but yeah, he's truly a genius.
And that's a guy that's just always giving and always so thoughtful, always takes calls from comics.
joe rogan
Colin?
joe list
Yeah.
joe rogan
He's a sweetheart.
He's always been a sweetheart.
You know, in that show that he did...
Tough Crowd was really essentially one of, that was one of the beginnings of podcasting as well.
There's a few beginnings of podcasting, like the way we do it.
You do it, I do it, and you know, like all of our friends, you know, whether it's Legion of Skanks or Ari, or it's just shit talking.
Guys getting together and fucking around and hanging out.
And that was what Tough Crowd was.
You got a bunch of comics together, and they would all start fucking with each other and roasting and Patrice and Norton, and it was awesome.
I loved it.
I did it a couple of times, but every time I did it, I was like, God, I love this.
It's like a fucking amazing green room where there's cameras on you and you're all just hanging out.
joe list
Yeah, Colin really loves comics and the comic hang more than anybody.
I mean, he just is, he's pure comic.
joe rogan
And they really love him.
This is the thing, like, nobody hates Colin.
joe list
No.
joe rogan
Have you ever heard anybody say a bad thing about Colin Quinn?
joe list
I literally have not.
joe rogan
Never.
But he's underrated, and I think when someone's that underrated, it's up to us to say, if you have a chance, Go see that guy.
Again, I've seen him in the past.
He's fucking brilliant.
I haven't seen this new set that he's doing, but everybody that was at the club was, like, universally ramped.
My friend Ahsan, he met Ahsan last night.
joe list
Yeah, yeah, he was hilarious also.
joe rogan
He's hilarious.
And he's a guy that's been beautiful watching him grow.
Because I met him when he was just starting out at the Comedy Store.
And then all of a sudden he's working, getting up in LA, and then he moves to Austin.
And now he's getting up multiple times a night.
Like, he's constantly getting up.
Because there's shows everywhere.
There's shows all over the place out here.
It's amazing watching people grow.
And he said that when he saw Colin, he said it might be one of the best hours he's ever seen in his life.
joe list
Yeah, no, Colin just keeps getting better.
It's really unbelievable.
I just did, I'm going to throw another plug out there.
I have a podcast, Mindful Metal Jacket.
I just had him on it, and I was asking him, like, he's gotten so much more.
joe rogan
What is your podcast called?
joe list
It's called Mindful Metal Jacket.
joe rogan
Oh.
joe list
And it's, you know, I'm bad at naming things.
joe rogan
No, that's a good name.
joe list
But I just had him on, and we just talked about how, what a creative outburst he's had in the last 10, 15 years.
joe rogan
What is he attributed to?
joe list
He just said he started organizing better, like really organizing his stuff and working towards having like, all right, this special is going to be about this thing and just organizing his material.
joe rogan
Well, he does kind of one-man show type specials, but with brilliant stand-up.
It's like really funny bits that are all organized on themes.
joe list
Yeah.
No, he's just a brilliant guy and just the best guy offstage.
joe rogan
Just super nice guy.
But that's the thing.
It's like he doesn't have any desire to be any bigger.
joe list
No, I don't think so.
joe rogan
All he's doing is just working on great work, but that's also why his work is so great, is because he's just concentrating on that, which I think is awesome.
That's like the most important part.
joe list
I can't figure out how to say this.
unidentified
Eh.
joe rogan
Don't worry about it.
joe list
I was so excited to show it.
joe rogan
Send it to me later and I'll throw it up on Instagram.
joe list
Okay, yeah.
It's going to be great, though.
unidentified
All right.
joe rogan
Joe List, you're the shit.
Appreciate you.
joe list
Thank you.
Can I throw my special out there?
unidentified
Yes, please.
joe list
Also, brand new special, enough for everybody.
It's on YouTube.
And I got fucking demonetized for saying cunt.
joe rogan
Let's fucking go.
All right.
Social media, all that stuff.
What is it?
joe list
At JoeListComedy.
And then YouTube.
I got three specials on YouTube.
Three hours in three and a half years.
joe rogan
And go see them live.
Very, very funny.
Where are you going to be live next?
unidentified
Skankfest.
joe list
Helium.
I'm at Skankfest.
I'm flying straight to Skankfest now.
I literally have my bags with me.
And then next weekend, Helium, October 5th through the 7th in Philadelphia.
Oh, that's a great room.
joe rogan
That's one of my favorite rooms of all time.
joe list
Yeah, I'm pumped.
I love the city.
unidentified
Oh, such a good room.
joe list
I love the room.
And it's mostly sold, so...
joe rogan
You know what's a great...
Yeah, get in there.
You know what else is a great room?
Portland.
unidentified
Portland.
joe list
Yeah, I was just there.
joe rogan
Oh, it's great.
Probably real good now.
It's like doing stand-up in a war zone.
joe list
It's fucking weird.
I went with a buddy who's from Portland.
He took me to like the neighborhoods that are still normal because we're like losing that city.
It's bad.
joe rogan
It's crazy.
unidentified
All right.
joe list
Thank you, Joe.
unidentified
Thank you.
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