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Sept. 27, 2023 - The Joe Rogan Experience
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Joe Rogan Experience #2040 - Eddie Bravo
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unidentified
I went to my first NFL game Yeah.
eddie bravo
What?
joe rogan
Yeah.
Are we on?
Yeah, we're up.
We're up.
The Jets versus the Cowboys.
unidentified
Oh.
joe rogan
Yeah.
In Dallas.
eddie bravo
Yeah, Cowboys.
That just happened, right?
unidentified
Two weeks ago?
eddie bravo
Or last week?
joe rogan
Last week.
Last Sunday?
eddie bravo
Yeah, a week ago.
joe rogan
A week ago?
unidentified
Yeah.
joe rogan
It was fucking awesome!
How many people does that place see?
jamie vernon
That one's probably close to 100. It's amazing.
80 plus.
joe rogan
That place is fucking amazing.
I've never seen an NFL game live.
eddie bravo
I'm so into football, man.
joe rogan
I get it now.
eddie bravo
I'm so into it.
joe rogan
Bro, I get it.
I'm friends with Aaron Rodgers, and I don't even watch football.
eddie bravo
Yeah.
joe rogan
And Aaron was supposed to play, but then Aaron blew out his Achilles tendon real bad.
eddie bravo
Yeah, first drive of the first game.
unidentified
Crazy.
eddie bravo
All this hype, like the craziest shit.
All this hype about Aaron Rodgers going to the Jets, And the crazy thing is, they had drafted like a year or two before that Zach Wilson, who was like a number one draft pick.
He was supposed to be the, you know, the new quarterback that was going to take the Jets to the Super Bowl.
But he's had a miserable last couple of years.
And so instead of giving up on him, the Jets said, okay, let's bring in Aaron Rodgers.
Because Green Bay was moving on from Aaron Rodgers.
They got this guy, Love.
Eventually, like all the legends, eventually their last couple years, they play on another team.
Like Tom Brady, Peyton Manning.
The last couple years, they go to a different team.
joe rogan
They got to get paid.
eddie bravo
Yeah, yeah.
That's a lot of money.
joe rogan
I get it.
unidentified
Yeah.
eddie bravo
And then the first drive.
After all that hype with Aaron Rodgers.
Aaron Rodgers in New York City, it was huge.
And then boom, he's gone for the season.
joe rogan
Yeah, he thinks he'll be back in six months.
He said it's usually 6 to 12 months, but he said that's for vaccinating people.
eddie bravo
But then my Browns, you know, I'm following the Browns every day in the offseason.
Undrafted free agents, the fucking draft, everything.
Really?
joe rogan
You're all in, huh?
eddie bravo
I'm all in.
I love it.
I love it.
It's such an amazing sport.
Every player has their own mission.
And the quarterback needs to know as many of those missions as possible.
He needs to know what's going on.
But everyone else, they just need one mission.
They got one mission.
Every player, everybody's doing something different.
joe rogan
It's incredible to watch.
eddie bravo
And then there's all these coaches.
joe rogan
Yeah.
eddie bravo
I'm actually friends with, do you remember there was a Sports Illustrated article on a football coach that was an offensive line coach that was teaching jujitsu to NFL players to help them in the offensive line?
That's Scott Peters from the Cleveland Browns.
unidentified
Really?
eddie bravo
Yeah, there was an article on it.
And I remember reading it a couple years ago.
joe rogan
What would help with jujitsu?
Just being able to clinch?
Understanding how to throw bodies around?
I think...
eddie bravo
I think so.
joe rogan
Wrestling?
Yeah.
Wrestling seems like it would help a lot.
eddie bravo
Touch, feel, you know, balance.
But I'm not sure.
I need to talk to him about that because I just met him via text through a friend.
I had a guy on a podcast.
He knows him.
And apparently he played football too.
His name is Scott Peters.
And when he retired, he started doing MMA and started doing jiu-jitsu and fell in love with it.
Then he got a job.
He's an assistant offensive line coach for the Browns.
And he's all about teaching them jujitsu.
He's pretty badass.
joe rogan
Well, I'd imagine those guys are all badasses.
They want to learn jujitsu.
Who doesn't want to learn jujitsu?
Who's going, nah, I don't want to learn that shit?
eddie bravo
A lot of people, actually.
joe rogan
They just don't want to get strangled.
They don't want to start out as beginners.
eddie bravo
The same thing happened to the Browns, though.
Second week...
On paper, the Browns look like a playoff contender for sure, on paper.
But everyone, you know, it's all about how you execute and how it all gels.
But the one constant that we have, we have the best running back in the game, Nick Chubb.
Best running back, he rarely ever gets hurt.
You know, we needed some wide receivers, we needed some defensive linemen.
We got all new defensive linemen except for Myles Garrett.
New defensive coordinator, but we always knew Nick Chubb.
We got the best running back in the game, probably ever.
His average is 5.4.
A carry that's huge.
That's like top three in NFL history.
It's incredible.
He's so good.
Second week, Monday Night Football, his leg fucking broke.
It was so gruesome.
joe rogan
Is that the one when it broke at the knee?
eddie bravo
Yeah.
Oh, I saw that.
They didn't show the replays.
They didn't show the replays.
unidentified
Oh.
joe rogan
I saw it online.
They showed it online.
Oh my god, it was horrible.
eddie bravo
Yeah, that was devastating.
I got sad like it was like for two or three days.
I was like, oh my god, I spent all this fucking time and now we just lost our best player.
Fuck!
But they came back the next week, which was yesterday, and dominated the Titans.
unidentified
So they adjusted.
eddie bravo
Yeah.
And they're all doing it for Nick Chubb.
joe rogan
I guarantee you that, you know, it used to be that if you got like an ACL injury, you were never coming back to any sport.
And now MMA fighters get ACL injuries all the time.
And they get rehab and they come back and they're good to go.
I guarantee you, in the future, they're gonna be able to regenerate tissue in some wild way where those injuries are just gonna be commonplace.
No big deal, they'll just fix you.
eddie bravo
I hope so.
Apparently, he just, apparently...
It looks like everything would have ripped, right?
The PCL, the ACL, everything.
But apparently they're saying it was just the MCL. What?
And that it's not that bad.
joe rogan
Show that again.
eddie bravo
Can we see that?
I wouldn't see it.
They didn't show the replay, and I wouldn't even see it.
joe rogan
There's a still frame.
jamie vernon
It's pointed forward, and his body's sideways, and the knee is bent.
eddie bravo
Oh, shit.
joe rogan
Oh, my God.
jamie vernon
It's the same knee he injured in college.
joe rogan
And look at him, chilling.
eddie bravo
No, that's him.
jamie vernon
He was screaming.
joe rogan
I'm sure, but right there he looks pretty calm.
I'd be fucking crying like a baby.
eddie bravo
I think he's crying.
joe rogan
Oh, look at him right there.
He's screaming.
But the amount of pain he must have been in there.
Agony.
eddie bravo
Look at that shit.
jamie vernon
He knew what was about to happen, too.
He just did this rehab a couple years ago.
joe rogan
Oh, no.
jamie vernon
See this one right here?
joe rogan
Oh, Jesus, that's him?
jamie vernon
That's him in college.
joe rogan
Oh, my God.
So it was probably already weak.
jamie vernon
Well, again, he's the baddest.
eddie bravo
Oh my god.
In the NFL, he's known for his work ethic in the weight room.
He's like, what does he squat?
Something ridiculous, Jamie?
He always puts up videos where he's squatting ridiculous shit.
jamie vernon
675 here.
eddie bravo
675. Jesus Christ.
What's your max?
joe rogan
I don't max.
Oh my god.
eddie bravo
That's him.
joe rogan
Bro, I watched this guy who was doing that and both his legs exploded.
You know those Instagram clips?
There's so many Instagram clips.
Tom Segura and I... Every day when I wake up in the morning to take a leak and I check my phone, Tom Segura is sending me some fucking horrible video.
We share horrible videos to each other.
It's like, I'll show you the thread.
We got an ongoing thread of me and him, just the worst shit we can find online, we send to each other.
And every day I get nervous every time I open up my phone.
It's all fucking, it's all like, yeah, I sent him this one today.
This guy's brakes failed.
Let me send you this, Jamie.
This one's horrible.
There's so many videos like that.
Have you ever seen more people die than on Instagram lately?
eddie bravo
What do you mean?
Oh, death?
joe rogan
Death.
unidentified
Oh.
joe rogan
I've seen more people get shot, more people get run over by cars, more people get gored by bulls, more people get bit by alligators.
eddie bravo
Yeah, I saw...
joe rogan
Look at this one.
Brakes failed.
Boom!
Look at this.
How insane is that, dude?
unidentified
Fuck!
eddie bravo
That can happen at any time.
joe rogan
At any time.
I think about that all the time when I'm on the highway.
You know, when I come home from the mothership, at nighttime in Texas, that's when all the truck drivers are on the road.
And so when I come home, sometimes, like, we're the only car on the road.
It's like all trucks.
eddie bravo
It's all semis.
joe rogan
And one time there was some sort of a traffic thing.
So the opposite side of the road, all the traffic was shut down, and it was hundreds of semis.
Hundreds!
I'm like, I guess they just drive at night.
Like, when there's gonna be no traffic.
That's when they can make the most time.
eddie bravo
That makes sense.
joe rogan
It makes sense, but it's like, one of those fucking dudes is not paying attention, or their fucking Adderall runs out, or whatever, and they fall asleep at the wheel, and you're done, man.
eddie bravo
You know, a video I just saw was a couple Male and female, like, off to the side of the road on the freeway.
And they're like, I don't know, they broke down.
And this tire got loose and was coming and rolling down and fucking went right into the chick.
It was horrible, man.
It was horrible, man.
Have you seen that, Jamie?
That one's fucked up.
joe rogan
Tires take people out, man.
They take people out.
Because they pop off sometimes.
People don't check their fucking lug nuts.
eddie bravo
Yeah.
joe rogan
Do you see that one lady who was driving on the highway?
She was on pills and the cops pulled her over and she had no wheel.
Her right passenger side front wheel was gone and she's driving on the brake.
So she's got her rotors and it's just sparking.
She doesn't even know anything's wrong.
And the cops pull her over.
And they're like, what the fuck are you doing?
She's like, what?
What's going on?
And they're like, are you on pills?
She's like, no, I'm not on pills.
Like, she's clearly on pills.
And you gotta think, like, how many people out...
You know how many people are on oxys, right?
eddie bravo
Yeah.
joe rogan
How many people are just driving around on pills?
eddie bravo
How are those still legal?
joe rogan
Incredible.
Incredible.
But meanwhile, marijuana isn't.
Meanwhile, mushrooms aren't.
eddie bravo
Yeah, they're trying to get...
I keep seeing that they're still trying to get weed off schedule one.
joe rogan
Yeah.
eddie bravo
I mean, it seems like it's close, right?
You would think that they...
Just make that happen already, because state after state after state is legalizing it, right?
What's the state of weed in Texas?
joe rogan
Texas, it's decriminalized in Austin.
It is illegal in Texas.
Bro, they arrested Willie Nelson.
That should be against the law.
eddie bravo
And Tommy Chong.
joe rogan
Yeah, but Willie Nelson.
Tommy Chong was a different one.
Tommy Chong was a bad one.
And I talked to Tommy after it happened.
He did my podcast.
This was a long time ago.
They got him in Florida.
And all he was doing was selling bongs.
He was selling bongs.
But if you sell bongs in Florida, it was drug parnefinalia.
And so they threatened his family because it was a family business.
So Tommy's like, I'll go to jail.
So Tommy went to jail for them.
And then afterwards, I think they drug tested him for a long time.
I think part of the, you know, the conditions of his parole was that they had to randomly drug test him.
So he couldn't smoke any weed for a long fucking time.
Now he's selling weed.
eddie bravo
And how much time did he do?
Did he do time?
He went to jail, right?
joe rogan
He did time.
I think Tommy Chong, I want to say he did two years.
unidentified
Damn.
joe rogan
Let's find out.
Find out how much time did Tommy Chong do.
unidentified
For weed?
joe rogan
Not even for weed, Eddie.
Eddie, for fucking bongs.
eddie bravo
Yeah.
That was just half-baked.
For weed!
joe rogan
Yeah, it's pretty wild that in 2023 it's still illegal.
It's pretty wild.
eddie bravo
It's pretty damn legal in California.
joe rogan
It should be.
eddie bravo
It seems like you could just smoke weed anywhere.
joe rogan
Yeah, Vegas too.
That's what's wild.
Vegas?
unidentified
Bro, there's people in jail for life in Vegas.
joe rogan
Still.
In the 1970s, if they caught you smoking weed, they'd put you in jail forever.
What does it say here?
Nine months.
Nine months in federal prison, a fine of $20,000, forfeiture of $103,514, and the loss of all merchandise seized during the raid on his business.
eddie bravo
Fuck.
Scary.
joe rogan
Nine months for bongs.
eddie bravo
And what year was that?
joe rogan
2004. Three and four, yeah.
unidentified
Damn.
eddie bravo
20 years ago.
unidentified
Crazy.
joe rogan
Crazy.
Yeah.
Yeah, it's not right.
It doesn't make any sense.
And they got to know it now.
It's a slow trickle before things become legal.
But I thought the Biden administration, that was a part of their thing that they ran on, that they were going to decriminalize marijuana.
eddie bravo
Yeah, that's one democratic issue that I'm with.
joe rogan
100%.
100%.
I'm with it.
I'm with it.
And, you know, in other states, like I believe in Oregon, they've decriminalized mushrooms.
What have they done with Oregon with mushrooms?
I think Oregon might have decriminalized everything.
I think Oregon is a wild state.
I think they might have decriminalized literally everything.
I think they decriminalized steroids.
I think they decriminalized mushrooms.
I think they decriminalized fucking everything.
Do you know in Vancouver, you can buy...
They have a place called the Drugs Store, and you can go in there and buy tested drugs.
So you can go in there and buy tested cocaine.
It's a brick-and-mortar store.
And this guy is...
Apparently testing the boundaries of the law.
I mean, what a fuck?
I would think that's a trap.
If I was walking into that drugstore, I was like, you got cocaine?
You have cocaine?
Pure cocaine for sale?
unidentified
Yeah.
joe rogan
You wearing a wire, bitch?
Like, what the fuck is going on?
How are you?
What are you doing?
I'm gonna buy cocaine from you?
In a store?
Can I use my credit card?
I can?
See if you can find that, the drugs store.
jamie vernon
I think it might have been shut down because the owner died from a suspected fentanyl overdose.
unidentified
Whoops!
joe rogan
He wasn't taking his own product.
jamie vernon
It's a short shutdown 24 hours later.
joe rogan
Oh, wow!
Yeah, they might have killed him, but...
I bet like some rival drug dealers are like, hey man, fuck you.
If he died for fentanyl, I don't think the government would have poisoned him with fentanyl.
eddie bravo
Yeah, the fentanyl thing is crazy.
jamie vernon
Crazy.
eddie bravo
How could anybody want to do coke knowing that shit's out there?
joe rogan
I think they have tests.
But if you're one of those dudes who's partying, you're doing coke, you're not going, hey, do you guys have a test?
jamie vernon
This also wasn't like a real store.
It was a pop-up shop.
joe rogan
Oh.
jamie vernon
Like mobile, like almost a bus or something.
joe rogan
I thought it was at a brick-and-mortar store.
jamie vernon
It says after parking his 24-foot camper on Main Street between Hastings and Cordova, he made his first test.
I think he was doing it.
I mean, it does show people walking in and out of a building, but it might have just been vacant.
They just kind of walked in.
unidentified
I don't know.
eddie bravo
You know what's crazy?
I was just in Japan, and you don't ever have to worry about any kind of crime in Japan.
joe rogan
Isn't it wild?
Japan's amazing.
eddie bravo
There's no crime.
But, you know, it is.
That is definitely, and it's so clean.
They clean everything.
Everybody's super nice.
You know, everybody.
But you can't have a gun.
Right.
Yeah, they got everybody under control.
But I was there for Quintet, and Quintet is a team jujitsu tournament.
It's amazing.
Sakuraba, the pride legend, that's his show.
But this time...
joe rogan
Does he still grapple?
eddie bravo
Yeah.
He's on the team.
He's got a team.
joe rogan
How's his knees?
eddie bravo
I don't know.
joe rogan
Does he wrap them up like mommies still?
eddie bravo
He doesn't really speak English, so we have a hard time...
He's awesome.
joe rogan
I fucking love him.
eddie bravo
We just do like jokey stuff whenever I see him.
Because he's like a clown.
joe rogan
Yeah, he's so funny.
eddie bravo
Yeah.
But so Quintet decided to co-promote with K1. You didn't know this?
joe rogan
No.
eddie bravo
Dude, you're a kickboxing fanatic and you didn't know K1 brought back the heavyweight absolute tournament?
joe rogan
I heard they were doing that, but I didn't know they did it.
eddie bravo
They brought it back.
And guess who they wanted to commentate?
joe rogan
You?
eddie bravo
I'm like, why would I commentate a kickboxing?
joe rogan
That's like me commentating on football.
eddie bravo
Exactly.
unidentified
Exactly.
eddie bravo
Same thing.
And they asked me because they co-promoted and...
It was like in this arena where they had two stages, the K1 stage and the quintet stage, and they kind of merged together, and K1 was during the day.
It started like at noon, and then after K1 was done, then it all shifted over here on the side and to the quintet side.
That started like at...
Like six or something, but they wanted me, they asked me if I wanted to commentate the heavyweight tournament.
I'm like, I know nothing about, the only thing I know about kickboxing is the old-school K-1, like Peter Ertz, I met him, he was there.
Peter Ertz.
joe rogan
Ron LeBanner, Ernesto Hoost.
eddie bravo
Yeah, Ray Sifu and all those guys, and Semmy Schilt.
The old-school K-1, the classic ones where dudes were getting shut off left and right.
joe rogan
Left and right.
eddie bravo
And this one was, because apparently they hadn't done the absolute heavyweight tournament that the eight-man one in a while.
They've been sticking to K1 Max, like lightweights and middleweights, and they're some bad motherfuckers.
So I don't pay attention to kickboxing at all, so I wouldn't even know what K1 Max was.
I learned all the shit while I was there.
And so they had an eight-man absolute tournament, all new guys.
And dude, there was this fucking 6'8 Chinese dude, straight coming out with the CCP flag and everything, looking like Chinese Ivan Drago.
joe rogan
What does he look like?
I mean, what's his name?
eddie bravo
He fucked everybody up.
joe rogan
Really?
eddie bravo
He fucked everybody up.
joe rogan
Pull up a video.
eddie bravo
Dude, his name is like Say Luz, something like that.
joe rogan
We'll find out.
eddie bravo
Scary.
jamie vernon
Not this guy.
eddie bravo
That's him.
That's him right there.
joe rogan
Damn, that guy's huge.
eddie bravo
He's like 6'7", 6'8".
joe rogan
Wow.
eddie bravo
He fucked everybody up, dude.
joe rogan
Oh my god, look at the size of that guy.
eddie bravo
With leg kicks.
He got incredible footwork.
joe rogan
Look at the size of his fucking legs.
Look at his quads.
eddie bravo
Dude, he claims wushu.
joe rogan
Oh, of course.
eddie bravo
But it's kickboxing.
unidentified
Of course.
eddie bravo
He's doing kickboxing.
joe rogan
But that's a good move if you're from China.
Claim wushu.
eddie bravo
Yeah.
And he didn't show up to the press conference.
It was a big mystery.
joe rogan
Oh, interesting.
eddie bravo
And there was a guy from Italy, this guy, they call him the Grizzly Bear.
He ended up fighting him in the finals.
That guy, the Grizzly Bear, had, like, insane power.
Dude, he was fucking people up.
Is this the Grizzly Bear?
The Grizzly Bear's got the beard.
joe rogan
See if you can find a video of the actual fight, Jamie.
I love it.
You know, I put a post up on Instagram the other day after the Rod Tank fight on 1FC because Matt Brown posted it like, how is Muay Thai not the biggest sport in the world?
And you watch this insane fight they had on 1FC. And I was like, I think that has the most untapped potential of all the combat sports because obviously boxing is huge.
MMA is huge.
How the fuck is Muay Thai not huge?
eddie bravo
Yeah.
joe rogan
It's so exciting.
eddie bravo
Yeah.
joe rogan
And this one fight...
eddie bravo
With MMA gloves, too.
joe rogan
With four-ounce gloves.
Jamie, see if you can find that fight first.
unidentified
Hold on.
jamie vernon
What was it?
joe rogan
I'm sorry.
It's on my Instagram.
It's like two, three posts ago.
And it's this war that these guys had in Thailand.
So they did a 1FC in Thailand.
And they had...
Here, I'll fucking...
You got it here?
I mean, so it's...
Rod Tang versus Superlek.
And it's a fucking war, dude!
I mean, these guys are going...
Give me some volume so you hear this.
eddie bravo
It just happened?
joe rogan
Yeah.
Yeah, it...
I mean, these are two of the very best Muay Thai fighters in the world, and they're fighting with these little tiny MMA gloves on, which is a wild move that 1FC is doing.
I mean, everybody who watches MMA, look at that!
Drops Rod Tang, that's crazy!
Incredible fight, dude.
Just a fucking incredible fight.
These guys are cutting each other up with elbows, knees to the body, and they're two elite of the elite in Muay Thai.
And they're going to war with the little gloves on, man.
I mean, it's a fucking wild-ass fight.
Look, everybody loves stand-up.
When you're watching MMA, sometimes when people clinch, people go, oh...
They want to see the crazy wars.
These are the crazy wars all the time.
That's the whole fight is crazy wars.
Like, how is that not big?
I brought it up with Dana, and I said, dude, I know you guys are into this slap fight thing, but I think, like, the thing that's untapped is kickboxing.
And he was like, ah, but nobody liked that, that PK karate.
I'm like, bro, that was in the 1980s.
That was literally, they used to call it the kick of the 80s.
Remember?
eddie bravo
Yeah.
joe rogan
Bad Brad Hefton.
eddie bravo
It just needs to be marketed different because there's always been kickboxing.
We've always had kickboxing.
We had Glory, we had K1 forever.
joe rogan
But it didn't ever reach the heights that it was capable of reaching.
It could have with Glory.
Glory was very, very high level.
eddie bravo
So how could they do it to take it to the next level?
joe rogan
The UFC machine.
Put the UFC machine behind it.
If they put the UFC promotion machine behind high-level kickboxing and got just fucking, hey, we're gonna sign the biggest fighters in the world.
We're gonna have UFC kickboxing.
So here's this gigantic Chinese guy.
eddie bravo
This is the final against the grizzly bear.
joe rogan
Look at the size of that grizzly bear.
Oh, look at that.
He's fucking his legs up.
And this guy's six foot eight?
Yeah.
Oh, he's good, man.
Oh, chopping those legs down.
eddie bravo
I think he beat all three opponents with leg kicks.
They couldn't take it.
joe rogan
Damn.
eddie bravo
So they're trying to reboot it and start a whole new absolute K1. How do you say his name?
unidentified
I forget.
joe rogan
L-I-U-C-E. Luce.
Luce?
eddie bravo
Yeah.
Luce.
I'm pretty sure.
But what really...
Dude, I was so entertained.
I was so into it.
And I didn't know any of these guys.
You know what did it for me?
It was the tournament.
It's the tournament.
First round, I didn't know any of these guys.
That second round, I was like, I know these guys.
Shit, that guy's gonna fight that guy.
And then the final, boom!
Like, oh shit, Grizzly Bear.
I was so into it.
I was commentating with Michael Chiavello.
That guy's insane.
joe rogan
I love him.
eddie bravo
He's so good.
And when I say insane, I mean he's insane good.
joe rogan
The big kibosh!
eddie bravo
Dude, he's so good.
He is an encyclopedia of boxing and MMA. He knows fucking everything.
Dude, I was so impressed with him.
joe rogan
He used to be the guy for 1FC. I don't know what happened.
It fell apart.
He left 1FC. Sometimes things happen.
Yeah, sometimes things happen, but he's a fucking man.
eddie bravo
Yeah, he's so good, man.
And that tournament...
joe rogan
He's a good dude, too.
eddie bravo
Man, it got me into it.
Like, I'll watch the next one.
As long as it's in tournament form, that's the key, man.
That's what got everybody into the UFC, is the tournaments.
joe rogan
The UFC should hire Michael Chiavello and do a fucking Muay Thai card.
Dana, I'll commentate.
You heard me.
I'll fucking commentate it.
Let's go.
eddie bravo
Is Dana a fan of kickboxing, though?
Does he follow it?
joe rogan
Dana's a fan of whatever works.
He's a fan of fights.
He just thinks that for whatever reason that kickboxing never caught on in America.
And I think it's because of that PKA karate shit they have in the 1980s.
But dudes were wearing fucking long pants.
They couldn't kick the legs.
It's a different sport, man.
And there were some great fighters that came out of that.
Guys like Rick Rufus.
But it's just, it's a different sport.
If you look at the fights on 1FC and you look at the fights in, you know, like the classic K1 fights, like, my God, how is that not exciting?
It's so exciting.
And if they have a fight with the little gloves on, like K1 does, or like 1FC does, if Dana decided to get behind that, God, it would be huge.
Muay Thai.
UFC Muay Thai.
eddie bravo
Now, um...
joe rogan
Fuck yeah.
Dana, I'll commentate!
Let's go!
I'll promote it!
eddie bravo
Do you think tournaments are still possible?
I mean, tournaments?
Because tournaments aren't possible in MMA because they say it's too brutal.
But kickboxing is way more brutal.
joe rogan
Well, you remember when we went to see Joe Schilling fight in LA? Yes.
Last Man Standing.
I think Joe fought three times that night.
eddie bravo
Yeah.
joe rogan
Which is crazy for a kickboxing fight.
eddie bravo
Yeah.
joe rogan
He fought Artem Levin.
Who else did he fight?
God, I don't remember who he fought.
I don't remember everybody he fought that night.
But goddamn, that was a war.
That was crazy.
That's crazy.
eddie bravo
Yeah, yeah.
I remember meeting Gene Simmons there.
joe rogan
Oh, yeah!
eddie bravo
And the first time I met him, I embarrassed myself.
joe rogan
He told that story.
unidentified
Yeah, yeah.
eddie bravo
So I was like, I'm gonna be cool this time.
joe rogan
He probably didn't remember.
Luckily, that guy's met a billion people.
unidentified
Oh, dude.
eddie bravo
Come on, man.
joe rogan
You want a little cigar?
unidentified
Sure.
joe rogan
Ron White gives me these.
They're little baby cigars.
eddie bravo
I'm not a big cigar guy, but let's...
joe rogan
They're basically like a cigarette.
It's just like pure tobacco.
No, you just puff on it.
Just take a little puff.
eddie bravo
What do you think of bare knuckle?
joe rogan
I love it.
I love what Jorge Masvidal is doing.
The bare knuckle MMA fights.
I love it.
Because that's what I think MMA should have been all along.
Why can you have bare elbows?
Why can you have bare knees?
Bare shins?
A shin to the face is okay.
But you have to protect your knuckles.
The only thing that does is prevent cuts.
And one thing it also does is protect your hands.
Because you can't really go off like you can.
Bare knuckle guys are more cautious about where they hit.
They're more precise.
They have to be more precise.
They break their hands.
eddie bravo
I think on paper, bare knuckle is way better than traditional boxing.
Can you imagine?
I mean, if you did a poll and you asked, what would you rather watch?
Floyd Mayweather versus Pacquiao 4 or whatever it is, bare knuckle or regular boxing?
I bet most people would say bare knuckle.
joe rogan
Well, a lot of people that go over to Bare Knuckle are surprised at, like, how little protection you have and how much it hurts.
Like, that's where Mike Perry fucking shines.
eddie bravo
How's he doing right now?
Killing it.
He's killing it?
joe rogan
Killing it.
Fucked up Luke Rockhold in his last fight, made him quit, knocked his teeth out.
Luke's like, enough.
unidentified
Dude.
joe rogan
He's fucking everybody up because he's such an animal.
Like if you're tough, and there's not a tougher human being alive than Mike Perry.
He's like uniquely suited for bare knuckle fighting.
Because he's just such a fucking savage.
He's willing to kill or be killed.
Like legitimately.
No fear.
He goes in there, kill or be killed.
And he's good, man.
He knows how to fight bare knuckle.
He's clever.
eddie bravo
Who do you think that's currently in the UFC is probably going to end up doing great in bare knuckle?
joe rogan
That's a good question.
Chris Camozzi just fought.
He just fought that dude, the Juggernaut, who's the middleweight champion in Bare Knuckle FC, and the Juggernaut beat him.
The thing about it is, man, it's different.
It's just different.
When you're just getting knuckles in your eyeballs and knuckles in your face, it fucking hurts more.
It's more dangerous.
eddie bravo
Yeah.
It cuts you up way more.
joe rogan
You're losing teeth.
You get hit with a knuckle right here, that tooth's gone, son.
eddie bravo
Even with the highest level mouth guards?
joe rogan
It helps a little, but really you'd probably need a crazy thick mouth guard.
You'd probably need something different.
But even then, it's knuckles.
You're getting that bone of a bony-ass knuckle, and it's going right there.
It's going to fuck your teeth up, man.
eddie bravo
Now, K1, they don't allow you to do the plum clench and hold her head and throw multiple knees.
You could only hold it real quick.
joe rogan
Right.
eddie bravo
What do you think about that?
joe rogan
I don't think that's the way to go.
eddie bravo
One, they allow them to hold the clinch longer?
joe rogan
Yeah, one is Muay Thai.
Like that fight, that was Muay Thai.
They can clinch, they can elbow.
I want them to be able to use everything.
All the tools, all the weapons.
eddie bravo
Why not?
joe rogan
And let them do it with those little gloves too.
You know, because the big gloves, the thing about the big gloves is you can offer a shield.
Like, have you ever watched Badr Hari fight?
He fights like this.
So it's a shield, right?
You have this big 10-ounce glove, it covers, it's cushioned, and you're fighting like this.
Like in Alistair, when Alistair was fighting in K1, they all fought like this.
But you can't do that with those little gloves, because the little gloves sneak around.
And you can't do that even more so with bare knuckle, because bare knuckle really sneaks around.
There's no protection.
eddie bravo
It'll just slide off the fist right into your face.
joe rogan
Exactly.
And Mike Perry has developed a style where he holds his hands real rigid like this.
It's different.
He's adapted to bare knuckle.
And he also has had several fights.
So he knows what to expect.
So if you're Luke Rockhold and you're fighting Mike Perry, this is your first bare knuckle fight, you never fought bare knuckle because you certainly aren't fucking training bare knuckle.
Like you can train MMA with MMA gloves on, right?
You can't really train bare knuckle, right?
You gotta wear gloves.
So that first experience of getting a knuckle in your eyeball and a knuckle on your nose where your nose gets just fucking splattered all over your face, it's a different experience.
eddie bravo
Yeah, man.
There's so many different sports now.
Fighting sports.
There's so many.
There's bare knuckle, regular boxing.
Even regular collegiate wrestling is getting bigger.
That's getting bigger.
I'm watching.
I never really watched wrestling, but now I'm watching.
I didn't realize and I wrestled a couple years and I didn't realize how fucking how much it evolved.
unidentified
There's so much There's so much shit in wrestling, dude.
eddie bravo
There's so much shit.
joe rogan
It's like everything else.
It's like everything else.
All these combat sports evolve.
eddie bravo
Yeah, there's just so many different ways two bodies that are clinched up and mangled up can go and do.
It's so crazy.
joe rogan
It is crazy.
eddie bravo
Yeah, I mean...
joe rogan
And they're so technical now.
Guys are so good.
eddie bravo
Well, you know my favorite shit, combat jiu-jitsu, man.
I'm not doing...
I'm not promoting combat jiu-jitsu because someone has a gun to my head, you know what I mean?
I'm putting it...
I'm trying to create or just take what has worked.
Like the 16-man tournament, that's the best shit.
16-man tournament, that was UFC too.
That's why everybody got hooked to the UFC. In combat jiu-jitsu, it's great.
Because a 16-man tournament is a super fight factory.
It just makes the super...
And you don't have to know any of the fighters.
Nobody knew anybody from the UFC. UFC 2?
I didn't know anybody.
It was a boxer, a kung fu guy.
joe rogan
You see him win the first round, and then you go, you're excited now.
eddie bravo
You just got to pay attention to the first round and accept that you don't know these guys and know that by the time you get to the finals, you're going to know these guys very well.
joe rogan
Could you imagine if somebody brought the UFC back Old school.
Like, bare knuckle, old school, you could wear a gi, do whatever the fuck you want.
eddie bravo
16-man tournament.
joe rogan
16-man tournament, no weight classes.
eddie bravo
Remember the Russian one that was 32-man?
joe rogan
No.
eddie bravo
Dude, there was a Russian one, and Igor Volchanchin won that one.
joe rogan
Of course he did.
eddie bravo
Remember that shit?
joe rogan
I love that guy.
eddie bravo
And he fought that huge Brazilian...
They called him Ricardo Morais.
Ricardo Morais.
Remember that guy?
joe rogan
Carlson Gracie's guy.
eddie bravo
Yeah, he's like 6'8".
unidentified
Giant.
joe rogan
Giant.
eddie bravo
And he got to the finals against Igor Volchanchin.
And to be honest...
Maybe the Brazilian one.
It's hard to...
You know what?
It wasn't Igor Vovchanchin.
It was a guy named Mikhail something.
Goddammit, it was so long ago.
joe rogan
Igor Vovchanchin looked like he was supposed to be like 6'6".
But they cut his arms off here.
eddie bravo
Yeah.
joe rogan
And put a fist there.
unidentified
Yeah.
joe rogan
Like his forearms was so thick.
Remember how thick that dude was?
unidentified
Yeah.
joe rogan
He was so thick.
And he would fuck people up.
eddie bravo
His legs.
Oak tree legs.
joe rogan
Who was that Brazilian guy that he knocked out cold?
eddie bravo
Francisco Bueno.
unidentified
Yeah.
eddie bravo
Dude, that's probably still up there.
Francisco Bueno.
joe rogan
Find that.
Igor Bobchenchkin versus Francisco Bueno.
eddie bravo
Yeah.
joe rogan
It was ruthless.
Igor was a monster.
eddie bravo
And what Igor had, he was a kickboxer with power in his hands.
He was vicious.
joe rogan
He was like 5'11 and 5'11 wide.
eddie bravo
And everybody wanted to take him to the ground.
Everybody...
jamie vernon
5'8".
joe rogan
5'8"?
eddie bravo
Yeah, 5'8".
Everybody wanted to take him to the ground.
Nobody wanted to stand with him.
But the thing that Igor had was he didn't really have a wide array of offensive techniques with jiu-jitsu, but he did have a good guard recovery and he keeps you in full guard and survives.
Look at that.
unidentified
Boom!
joe rogan
Oh my god.
Show that again.
Boom!
Boom!
He hit him three times while he was out cold.
Left hook, right hand on the chin, and then as he's going down, bing!
unidentified
Bing!
joe rogan
Oh my god.
eddie bravo
Dude.
Face planted.
joe rogan
Is this Igor when he was younger?
Oh my god.
Bare knuckle.
eddie bravo
That's the tournament.
unidentified
This is the one I'm talking about, I think.
joe rogan
That's how they should do it.
eddie bravo
No cage.
joe rogan
See how they did that?
That is my fucking dream.
That's what they should do, man.
unidentified
That is how they should have MMA. That's how we do combat jiu-jitsu.
eddie bravo
That's how they should have MMA. And you know that karate combat?
I like that too.
No one wants to back up.
You know what I mean?
Because they fall.
And the thing about Igor Vovchanchin is check this out.
This was all in the 2000s.
I'm a purple belt, and I'm commentating for King of the Cage, right?
joe rogan
That's when you get soccer kicked to the head, too, in Pride days.
eddie bravo
Yeah.
Boom!
And I commentated Pride 10 and 11, and I got to meet Mark Kerr, right?
Mark Kerr, incredible.
I mean, his story's incredible.
He...
He wrestled in college at a high level, was a specimen.
He looked a little like fucking Miles Garrett.
Mark Kerr, that was his nickname, the specimen, and the Smashing Machine.
Remember his story?
joe rogan
I had Kurt Angle on the podcast the other day, and Kurt was talking about how good Mark Kerr was as a wrestler.
eddie bravo
Hell yeah.
And Mark Kerr told me, because I got to hang out with him at Pride 10, and we were hanging out at McDonald's, and we were just fucking shooting the shit.
And he said, he told me his whole story, that wrestlers were telling him to do the UFC back in the late 90s.
And he'd go, dude, look at Mark Coleman.
Wrestlers go in there and they just fuck everybody up.
You should do it.
You should do it.
They were trying to talk him into it.
I was like, dude, I'm not a fighter like that.
He just didn't have that violence.
Yeah, he was super nice guy.
joe rogan
He was so nice.
eddie bravo
Super nice guy.
And they twisted his arm and he was going to do a UFC and then he backed out.
He said, he goes, dude, it's just too frightening.
So then he got offered to do an eight-man tournament in Brazil in the middle of nowhere before the internet or anything.
So he said, you know what?
I'm going to go try this thing in Brazil.
And if I get fucked up, nobody's going to know about it and I'll just dip out, you You know what I mean?
And so he went down there and fucking destroyed.
He ended up in the finals.
It was bare knuckle.
Bare knuckle, valetudo, MMA, old school, in a ring, no cage.
And in the finals, he fought Fabio Gergel.
Was it Fabio Gergel?
It was Fabio Grigio.
I'm pretty sure it was him.
And, dude, he was just in his guard the whole time.
Never tried to pass.
He was just in his guard in the corner and just head-butting and throwing fucking bare knuckles.
And he cut his—he won.
And the Brazilians just thought he was a monster.
They called him, like, the smashing machine in Portuguese, which is like, maquinade.
Destroy or something like that.
I don't know.
Anyways, so he said, he goes, after the fight, my hands are all caught up.
unidentified
They're all fucked up.
eddie bravo
They got infected.
He said he was in the hospital.
joe rogan
You get teeth in your hands.
eddie bravo
Yeah, he got all fucked up.
He was in the hospital with some kind of fucking sickness and shit.
And then the promoter taxed him way more than he thought.
He was like, I'll never do this again.
This was the worst fucking experience of my life.
Even though he won.
Even though he won, it was the worst experience of his life.
He don't ever want to do it.
He was in the hospital.
They fucked him on cash and all that shit.
But then when he got back, the internet was just...
You'd have little fucking news pages.
Then he saw the magazine of him on the cover of a magazine looking like a destroyer.
Brazilian magazine.
And then that's what got him to jump in 100%.
joe rogan
Do you remember when he tapped Dan Bobish with a chin to the eye socket?
eddie bravo
That was in the UFC? Mm-hmm.
Yeah.
joe rogan
He got a hold of him.
He got in side control.
We played it the other day.
He stuck his chin in...
You know he had that big-ass chin?
unidentified
Yeah.
joe rogan
He stuck his chin in Dan Bobich's eye socket and just fucking yanked his back of his head into his fucking eye socket.
He tapped him with that.
I'm like, how come no one's done that since?
That's a pretty wild move.
eddie bravo
And I was telling him, and this is what I tell all high-level wrestlers, even low-level wrestlers.
If you're a wrestler, you need to approach grappling not In the sense where you want to beat jiu-jitsu.
Like, these guys can't take me down.
You know, jiu-jitsu guys can't take me down.
I'll box them.
They can't box.
I'm like, okay, okay.
But what about the guys that can box?
Like kickboxers, you're going to have to take them down, right?
Like, when you fight a kickboxer, you're going to have to take him down.
You're going to have to learn how to pass the guard.
And I would tell them, I'd go, dude, just get really good at passing the guard, holding side control, submissions from side control, mound, have a death mound.
You need a death mound.
Arm bars, rear naked chokes.
You gotta get good at passing the guard, Mark.
And he said, dude, it just takes too much energy, man.
I'd rather just sit in the guard and just fucking pound.
I'm like, there's gonna be guys that are gonna tie you up and you're not gonna be able to ground and pound.
You can't ground and pound everybody.
Some people you can, but some guys have a good defensive guard.
And a lot of wrestlers would say that, too.
It wasn't just Mark Kerr.
They didn't want to pass the guard.
They wanted to beat Jiu-Jitsu.
I'll just stay in the guard.
joe rogan
Sir Coleman always did.
eddie bravo
Yeah.
joe rogan
Head-butted dudes, punched him in the head, in the guard.
eddie bravo
Yeah.
Yeah.
And then he fights Igor Volchanchin.
He takes Igor Vovacicin a couple times.
Two, three, maybe four times during that fight.
But he can't pass his guard.
And Igor Vovacicin has a great chin.
He's a kickboxer, so little ground and pound strikes aren't going to affect him that much.
He's not going to freak out.
And he had a really good close guard.
He would hold and he would tie up.
And then they would stand him up.
And now we've got to take him down again.
This is in Brazil.
This is Mark Kerr in Brazil right here.
unidentified
Wow.
jamie vernon
It's the Valetudo Championship final.
joe rogan
This is the final.
Is that Fabio Gergel?
Who was Marcelo Garcia's instructor?
eddie bravo
Let's see.
jamie vernon
I'll show you his hands up.
unidentified
It looks like they stay like this for the whole time.
joe rogan
Interesting.
That's back when Pedro Hizzo, yeah, that's Fabio.
That's when Pedro Hizzo was fighting, too.
eddie bravo
And remember the Pedro, too?
unidentified
Yeah.
joe rogan
Do you remember when Gary Goodrich reached into the Pedro shorts and grabbed his balls and crushed him?
eddie bravo
Yeah, yeah.
joe rogan
You could grab balls!
eddie bravo
Can you find Igor Vovchanchin Mark Kerr from Pride?
And you'll see that he was able to take down Igor Vovchanchin Relatively easy, but he couldn't pass his guard and couldn't finish him.
joe rogan
And he had to stand up with him.
eddie bravo
And then eventually, after a couple stand-ups, he was tired and he couldn't take him down no more.
And then, you know, strikers light up.
They smell blood, you know what I mean?
joe rogan
Yeah.
eddie bravo
And then he, I think it was TKO. I'm not too sure what kind of strike it was that ended the fight, but it was a flurry.
And that right there just shows, like, man...
All the best grapplers, not all of them, but a large percentage of the best jiu-jitsu guys in the US are wrestlers that fell in love with jiu-jitsu and got really good at guard passing, taking backs, mounting.
joe rogan
Igor had fucking hammers for a fist.
eddie bravo
Yeah, there was no way he wanted to stand with Igor.
unidentified
No.
eddie bravo
He did throw down a little bit.
joe rogan
Yeah.
With that little short right hand.
eddie bravo
And then, boom, he knocks him down here.
Bam!
unidentified
Yeah, I remember he hit him with like a big overhand right and knocked him down.
eddie bravo
He keeps taking him down, but he can't finish him.
joe rogan
Igor's just tying him up.
eddie bravo
Yeah, he's not attempting to pass his guard.
He basically didn't like passing guard.
He didn't want to develop any guard passing skills.
He liked just staying in guard and throwing down.
But look at how Igor just wraps him up.
And not only does he have a good guard and he's wrapping him up, but like I said, he's a kickboxer.
He's used to taking punishment.
Like if he had a wrestler like this or a jiu-jitsu guy, they're not...
I mean, he did cut them up, but they're not gonna...
joe rogan
But he's also tired.
This was also, this was during the Smashing Machine.
And so this was when Mark was already going through his addictions too, man.
eddie bravo
Damn, battle right here.
Let's see how it ends.
joe rogan
Oh, big right hand.
eddie bravo
Big right hand.
This is such a brutal fight.
unidentified
Ooh.
joe rogan
There it is.
eddie bravo
Look at his traps, dude.
unidentified
God.
joe rogan
Damn.
I talked to Ensign about fighting Igor, and he said it was like getting hit by a car.
He goes, like, it's like getting hit by a car over and over and over again.
He goes, it was just boom, boom.
This was back in the 10-minute round days, which I loved.
I loved the 10-minute first round.
I think the 10-minute first round was a genius idea, because how many guys, like, you know, they just fucking...
Look, Mark's trying some sort of an ankle lock.
eddie bravo
Dude, he almost had an Aoki right there.
joe rogan
But it's like, how many guys would take a guy down at 4 minutes and 20 seconds, and then the round was over?
eddie bravo
Can we see how it ended?
The last flurry.
joe rogan
So, so many guys would in, you know, the UFC, you'd take a guy down in the first round and, you know, you got no time to work.
And you work so hard to get him to the ground and then the next round starts and you're standing up.
eddie bravo
Yep.
That happens a lot too.
joe rogan
What do you think about the idea of having...
Oh, he hit him with the knee to the head on the ground.
Look at that knee.
Look at the sprawl on that knee.
Boom!
That's a serious fucking knee right there.
What do you think about the idea of starting every round in the same position where you ended the last round?
eddie bravo
I'm not opposed to that.
joe rogan
I'm not opposed to that at all.
Like, I feel like you should earn your ability to stand up.
That was it.
eddie bravo
Oh, that was it, right?
unidentified
That was it.
eddie bravo
Can you rewind that one real quick?
Let's see the final shots.
joe rogan
Knees to the ground.
Knees on the ground.
That's another thing that I believe in.
I don't think you should be able to turtle.
I don't think you should be able to turtle.
eddie bravo
Yeah.
joe rogan
And not get kneed in the head.
unidentified
Yeah.
joe rogan
Because that's a legitimate technique.
If you can knee a guy standing up, why can't you knee a guy to the head on the ground?
unidentified
Totally.
joe rogan
Especially if he's in the turtle.
If he's like just hanging on to something, you're hanging on to one knee, you got a knee free, and his head's right there, but that guy can take you down and beat the fuck out of you, why can't you knee him in the head?
eddie bravo
Can you do that in game bread?
Do you know?
joe rogan
I don't think so.
I think it's unified rules.
It's just bare knuckle.
I believe...
eddie bravo
That's not unified rules, though.
That sounds like they would just...
joe rogan
Bare knuckle, right.
eddie bravo
Yeah, that's like...
jamie vernon
It seems like there is a controversy of some kind after it, because he was complaining in the hallway.
And then they're showing some...
I don't know what they're saying in the video, obviously, but...
unidentified
Yeah, he got hit in, like, the back of the head or something?
The top of the head?
jamie vernon
I'm not sure.
joe rogan
Is that not legal?
Did they have, like...
What is the controversy?
jamie vernon
They had a hearing about it, it looks like.
joe rogan
Interesting.
unidentified
I could go closed caption and read it, but...
jamie vernon
This is other parts of the thing, I think.
eddie bravo
And then how about Mark Coleman in the heavyweight Grand Prix?
I think he fought Igor Vovchanchin in the final.
joe rogan
Did he?
eddie bravo
And I think he...
joe rogan
He fucked him up with knees.
eddie bravo
From north-south.
joe rogan
Yes.
eddie bravo
I think Mark Coleman, Igor Vovchanchin, that was in the finals of the Grand Prix.
joe rogan
I think you're right.
Now I remember.
He won the Grand Prix, right?
eddie bravo
Mark Coleman did.
joe rogan
Yeah.
eddie bravo
He was a champ.
joe rogan
Yeah.
I think the knees to the ground...
It's a no-brainer.
That's a no-brainer.
If you can knee a guy standing up, if you can punch a guy in the face and kick a guy in the face, why can't you knee to the head?
You can knee to the body, but you can't knee to the head?
It would end in so many more fights.
So many more fights.
How many times have a guy, a guy sprawls, and the guy's in a turtle, and it's a perfect position to throw the knee to the head, but you can't do it?
eddie bravo
Yeah.
joe rogan
I think that should be legal.
You know what they're going to bring back?
12 to 6 elbows.
eddie bravo
From where?
joe rogan
From standing in the guard, anywhere.
12-6 elbows are illegal still.
Which is the dumbest thing in the world.
eddie bravo
Are illegal.
joe rogan
Did I say legal?
Illegal.
eddie bravo
In the mount.
Like if I'm mounted, you can't go like this.
joe rogan
You can't go 12-6, which doesn't make any sense.
eddie bravo
But from full guard, you can.
If I was on my back in full guard, you can.
joe rogan
Because it's going 6-12.
eddie bravo
Yes.
joe rogan
Which is the dumbest shit of all time.
But standing, you can't do it.
So if you and I are standing and you rush at me and do that and hit me with a 12-6 elbow, that's illegal.
eddie bravo
And they're going to change that?
joe rogan
They're going to change that.
eddie bravo
Who's behind that?
joe rogan
Nowitzki talked to me about it.
He said, I know that this is something that you complain about all the time and we think we're going to be able to get rid of that.
It's the dumbest one because it's not even a more powerful elbow.
It's just they saw it all came from, Big John McCarthy told me this, that in the early days of MMA they would bring this to the athletic commissions and they said you can't do this because we've seen those karate tournaments where the guys break bricks like that.
eddie bravo
And ice.
joe rogan
And ice.
They're like you can't break bricks.
Like you could kill somebody if you do that.
So they go okay no elbow like that.
Elbow has to come at an angle.
So it can come from, you know, it can come from 12 to 6, but it can go 1 to 7, which is the dumbest shit of all time.
Meanwhile, the hardest elbow is not that.
The hardest elbow is this one.
This is the hardest elbow, in my opinion, I believe.
I mean, at least as far as I can throw it.
eddie bravo
Because you're throwing it like...
joe rogan
Like a punch.
eddie bravo
Yeah.
joe rogan
And I'm getting my weight into it.
If I'm in a ground and pound position, like I've done ground and pound work on a, you know, when you get a heavy weight down, a heavy bag down rather, and I'm trying to see like what I can hit the hardest with.
You can hit hard like that, but I can hit him pretty hard like that, fuck him!
Boom!
It's so much more torque.
You've got all this snap.
And it's also a natural movement where your body has developed that sort of explosiveness doing that.
It does it all the time.
This is unnatural, I think.
I mean, you could develop it.
But it's just a better option to have.
You want to be able to have that option.
Because if guys are doing this and you can go straight down the middle with an elbow, fucking you should be able to do it.
eddie bravo
Yeah, I mean, I like what Shatri's doing with one.
Allowing, you know, knees on the ground.
Gotta allow that.
joe rogan
Yeah, they allow soccer kicks.
eddie bravo
I think there was, I'm not sure, I think maybe they, like you can't stomp on their head anymore.
I think if you're in a cage and the back of your head is...
jamie vernon
This is from 2021 when they made rules.
joe rogan
Okay.
Okay.
Grounded.
Athletes are considered grounded where they have any weight bearing part of their body other than the...
What is this from?
What rules?
unidentified
What rules?
jamie vernon
This is when Colorado approved new rules for the championship.
unidentified
Colorado.
joe rogan
For one.
Okay.
This is just for Colorado, though.
All hand strikes included punches, forearms, and elbows to the head, body, and leg.
All elbows.
Interesting.
So that means Colorado said 12-6 elbow is legal?
jamie vernon
So that's where I got this from.
There was an article from this year that said when they were doing the data review for finding out if they were going to allow knees to the head of a grounded opponent, the 12-6 elbow data was in there.
joe rogan
Look, it says kneeing to the head of a grounded opponent is legal.
This is Colorado?
Wow.
Why can't the UFC do that?
Go back to that, please.
I want to see what else it says.
Up kicks to the body and legs to a grounded opponent are legal.
But you can't upkick to the head.
Upkick to the head, body, and legs of a non-grounded opponent are legal.
Okay.
So you still can't upkick to a grounded opponent, which means...
eddie bravo
But that second to the last one says upkicks to the body and legs to a ground...
How are you going to upkick a grounded opponent?
joe rogan
To the body and the head.
eddie bravo
But upkicks to the body and legs to a grounded opponent are legal.
How do you upkick a grounded opponent?
joe rogan
If you're on your back.
If you're on your back and the guy's on top of you and he's got his knees on the ground, he's grounded, but you can upkick him in the chest.
unidentified
Oh, okay, okay.
joe rogan
You can upkick him in the chest, so the body and the legs.
But upkicks to the head, body, and legs of a non-grounded opponent.
eddie bravo
If they're standing.
joe rogan
Right, so if they're standing.
So if he's not grounded, he's standing, you can upkick him in the face.
I feel like you should be able to upkick a guy to the face if he's on the ground, too.
eddie bravo
Remember that upkick Oleg Toktarev again?
joe rogan
Henzo Gracie.
eddie bravo
Henzo Gracie.
unidentified
Yeah.
joe rogan
Whoa.
eddie bravo
That one, that was probably...
The first one that we saw in a big fight and there was people thinking like, oh, lucky, lucky kick.
But then Hanzo was saying, no, dude, we practiced this shit, dog.
We practiced this.
And then you saw...
Was it Fabio Giorgio upkicked Jerry Bolander?
Remember that?
joe rogan
Oh yeah!
unidentified
Yeah.
joe rogan
Bro, guys who are really good kickers, if you get them on their back, they can fuck you up off their back.
jamie vernon
This is weird.
Pouring water is illegal?
joe rogan
Yeah, because they don't want you to become slippery.
The cut man will apply Vaseline to the facial area.
The problem with that is...
Once you get Vaseline on a face, that Vaseline is fucking everywhere.
eddie bravo
It's everywhere.
joe rogan
It's everywhere.
It's on the neck, the chest.
eddie bravo
You don't need Vaseline.
That's some old boxing shit that needs to be cut out.
joe rogan
I believe you're right.
eddie bravo
Yeah, it's totally unnecessary.
That's just some boxing bullshit that it's probably good for boxing, I guess, but for MMA, that Vaseline gets everywhere.
It gets everywhere.
joe rogan
Yeah, it gets everywhere.
eddie bravo
And as a promoter or producer or someone who owns a fight show, you want as many...
Finishes as possible, whether they're knockouts or submissions.
That's why in combat jiu-jitsu, we make rash guards mandatory.
You've got to wear rash guards.
We don't want two greasy bodies all over the place.
joe rogan
I like that.
eddie bravo
Wear rash guards.
joe rogan
Yeah, I like that.
Because that cuts out greasing.
Like the complaint that Gordon Ryan had against Nicky Rod.
And then Felipe Pena said the same thing.
He's greased.
eddie bravo
Yeah.
joe rogan
It's like, feel him.
eddie bravo
Yeah, it's mandatory.
You've got to wear a rash guard.
I mean, ultimately, we haven't done it yet, but ultimately, if there's a problem with greasing legs and stuff like that, you have to wear spats.
joe rogan
I think spats and rash guards.
eddie bravo
Eliminate the greasing.
joe rogan
Eliminate it.
eddie bravo
Because other than that, if you tested for greasing, that would be so expensive.
joe rogan
And how could you?
eddie bravo
The only way you could do it is, as you walk in, they swab your back.
joe rogan
But the problem is that's not even going to work.
Because you know what guys do?
They take a bath in mineral oil.
That's what vandalists do apparently.
eddie bravo
Old school shit.
joe rogan
They take a bath in mineral oil and then they dry off.
So if you touch them, they're dry.
But then once they start sweating, that oil comes out of the pores.
And then they're like, whoop!
It's like trying to grab a hold of a sand.
eddie bravo
So that could only do so much.
But, I mean, when they walk in the cage, they should be warmed up.
So they should be sweating, so you might be able to...
Maybe take a big glove that is made out of swab material and just go down the back like that.
And then...
Test it.
But that would be expensive as shit.
joe rogan
Maybe.
You know what it'd be like?
I don't even know if this is real, but you know how when people pee in the pool and they have something that shows the pee and you can see it all blue?
Is that real?
eddie bravo
Oh, that's way real.
joe rogan
Is it?
eddie bravo
Hell yeah.
That's old shit.
joe rogan
I thought that was just some shit from movies.
jamie vernon
I thought it was a rumor to fuck with kids.
eddie bravo
No, no, no.
jamie vernon
What do you think it'd be called?
joe rogan
Is there a chemical you could put to show when you're peeing in a pool?
unidentified
Chemicals.
joe rogan
Because there was a video that I saw that looked really fake.
It was a bunch of girls that were in a pool together, and then one girl, like you see all this pee coming out, like this blues, everyone's like, oh my god, you dirty bitch!
And they run away from her because she's peeing in the pool.
eddie bravo
Yeah, no, that's real.
joe rogan
That's for views.
eddie bravo
I don't know if it's real.
No, no, it's real.
I've heard about that.
You put a chemical in the pool, and when you pee, it turns blue.
jamie vernon
Urine indicator dye is a mythical substance that is supposed to be able to react with urine in a form of colored cloud in a swimming pool or hot tub.
eddie bravo
It's mythical?
jamie vernon
That's indicating the location of people who are urinating.
eddie bravo
Oh my god, I thought it was real.
jamie vernon
I did too.
Up until about a couple weeks ago.
eddie bravo
I thought it was...
It doesn't seem like that crazy of a product.
joe rogan
It might be super toxic.
eddie bravo
Yeah.
joe rogan
I mean, you imagine how much of that stuff you'd have to put in the water and then that stuff's in your eyes.
eddie bravo
But think about how toxic just a regular swimming pool is.
Like all the chlorine that's in there.
joe rogan
Good point.
eddie bravo
That's gotta be horrible for you, right?
joe rogan
Bro, you know what we played the other day on Protect Our Parks?
We were trying to figure out why is there fluoride in water?
unidentified
There's no reason for fluoride to be in drinking water.
eddie bravo
That's such an old conspiracy theory.
It's a real one.
And they literally open up bags of fluoride and dump it into the local drinking water.
It's like something you do.
joe rogan
Not only that, we played it on Protect Our Parks.
We were trying to figure this out.
There's a direct correlation between high levels of fluoride in drinking water and low IQs.
eddie bravo
I believe it.
joe rogan
100%.
eddie bravo
Why would they open up sacks of fluoride and put it in the water?
joe rogan
You know why?
Because you got fluoride and you're trying to sell that shit.
eddie bravo
Yeah.
joe rogan
Imagine if you're in the fluoride business and you're hearing us talking like, shut the fuck up!
Because if people stop drinking or putting fluoride in drinking water.
eddie bravo
And the official reason, and I don't know, this might be bullshit.
joe rogan
Tooth decay.
eddie bravo
Yeah, they're trying to take care of our teeth.
joe rogan
Brush your fucking teeth.
eddie bravo
Yeah.
joe rogan
You know what I said that's like?
That's like, if some people are getting skin cancer, oh, we're going to put sunscreen in apples.
eddie bravo
Yeah, same thing.
joe rogan
Why would you do that?
Just wear sunscreen.
You can get sunscreen anywhere.
eddie bravo
Oh, you really care about our teeth that much?
You care about our teeth that much?
You're sending fucking shipments, like those shipping containers filled with fluoride and these sacks that you open them up.
joe rogan
Dumping them into reservoirs.
eddie bravo
Doesn't make any sense.
joe rogan
Doesn't make any sense.
eddie bravo
There are some cities that have...
joe rogan
Stopped doing that?
eddie bravo
They stopped it.
They should stop doing that.
The community gets together.
They should get together.
Yeah.
That's where it starts, really.
That's a weird one, man.
joe rogan
That's one that's been around for a long time.
By the way, who doesn't brush their fucking teeth?
Dude, I didn't go to the dentist for 10 fucking years.
For 10 years.
I went zero cavities.
eddie bravo
Yeah.
joe rogan
Zero cavities.
I don't drink fucking tap water.
eddie bravo
Yeah.
joe rogan
Ever.
eddie bravo
Never.
joe rogan
Ever.
I also eat very little sugar, and I brush my fucking teeth.
unidentified
Yeah.
joe rogan
Dude, I got Invisalign.
So do I. I'm wearing it right now.
For the first time, when I first started wearing it, Trey The Truth was on the podcast, and he wears a grill.
And I was like, bro, how do you wear that grill and talk?
Because it was fucking with my talking.
The first time I wore it on a podcast, I had to not wear it.
I can still hear it a little.
Can you hear it, Jamie?
No?
unidentified
I looked at your teeth and I'm like, damn, it looks like he has a visit line.
eddie bravo
But he doesn't.
He would.
But you do.
I wear that shit all the time, too.
joe rogan
I'm trying to clean my teeth up, man.
My lower teeth have been crooked forever.
And my doctor said it would probably help my sleep apnea.
eddie bravo
What do you think I treat?
joe rogan
Pretty.
They're nice.
You got nice teeth, bro.
You got a nice beard.
I like that beard.
I was saying that I shaved my beard before I got here today because I look too old.
eddie bravo
I did a music video the other day, so I grew up my beard because I played a coyote.
I love that video.
unidentified
You said it to me.
eddie bravo
I love that video.
joe rogan
That song is hilarious.
eddie bravo
Yeah, it's a confusing song.
joe rogan
El Coyote.
eddie bravo
Purposely.
joe rogan
Yeah.
eddie bravo
But I'll shave it.
I never really had a full beard.
joe rogan
I like it.
eddie bravo
I'll see what's up for a while.
I look like I'm fucking 93. I know it.
joe rogan
You remember when Evan Tanner died and I grew that full beard?
We all did.
eddie bravo
Yeah, Evan Tanner was a legend, man.
joe rogan
Legend.
eddie bravo
Legend, man.
joe rogan
I really liked that guy, man.
eddie bravo
Man.
joe rogan
When he died, it was when I was living in Colorado.
And I said, fuck it, man.
I'm going to grow my beard.
I had a fucking full-ass beard.
eddie bravo
I was a big Evan Tanner fan.
joe rogan
He was a good guy, man.
eddie bravo
Big Evan Tanner fan.
Interesting.
He had good jiu-jitsu.
And back in the day, not that many UFC fighters that were non-Brazilian had good jiu-jitsu.
You just didn't see it that much.
And he was like one of the first.
joe rogan
You remember when he won the middleweight title and he fought Dave Terrell?
eddie bravo
How did he win?
joe rogan
Dave Terrell caught him in a guillotine and almost fucking had him.
And he gassed out and Evan Tanner pounded him out.
That's how he won the middleweight title.
Dave Terrell, man.
eddie bravo
Beast.
joe rogan
Goddamn, was his jiu-jitsu good.
unidentified
Beast.
joe rogan
And still is, I'm sure.
One of the very first elite leg lockers.
eddie bravo
Yeah, yeah.
joe rogan
Elite leg lockers.
And a fucking animal.
eddie bravo
And Dave Terrell was one of the, I mean, he was one of the first pure no-gi pioneers.
There was a couple out there.
You know, there's Chris Brennan, there was Dave Terrell, Eric Paulson.
joe rogan
Shout out to Chris Brennan.
eddie bravo
Yeah, there was like maybe four guys that got their black belt in the gi that decided to go no gi.
joe rogan
Dean Lister.
eddie bravo
Dean Lister.
Yep, yep.
Yeah, that's right.
That's right.
He doesn't really train the gi.
joe rogan
Bro, you've been paying attention to Jeff Monson?
eddie bravo
What happened?
joe rogan
Jeff Monson.
Lives in Russia.
Speaks perfect Russian.
Go to Jeff Monson's Instagram.
I think it's Snowman.
Snowman Monson.
I forget what it is.
He's a full-on Russian.
He lives in Russia.
He supports Mother Russia.
He's got a fucking CCP. He's got a hammer and sickle tattoo.
He's all in.
Interesting.
This is Jeff Monson, man.
He's fucking Russian now.
He defected.
He's a Russian citizen.
See if you can go to a video where he's talking in Russian, because there's a lot on his Instagram where he's talking in Russian.
There he goes.
Play that.
unidentified
I got fascism in there.
I got fascism in the world.
joe rogan
How wild is that?
eddie bravo
I wonder what the hell he said.
joe rogan
I don't know.
I hope we didn't let him say anything horrible.
eddie bravo
Is Russia considered communist still?
unidentified
Yeah.
eddie bravo
Still.
joe rogan
I mean, Russia is.
eddie bravo
Don't they?
It's a dictatorship.
Wait, wait.
The Soviet Union.
joe rogan
Actually, no.
Let me say that.
Let me say that right.
I'm wrong.
No.
They have elections.
eddie bravo
But, man, the whole...
joe rogan
But if you want to run against Putin, bro.
eddie bravo
Yeah.
joe rogan
Good luck.
eddie bravo
Yeah.
unidentified
Good luck with all that.
joe rogan
You ain't got much time left.
eddie bravo
When was the last time they had an election?
joe rogan
Well, you know that guy, Purgosian, who tried to make a coup against Putin, and he just died in a plane crash?
eddie bravo
Is that that coup that lasted like six hours?
joe rogan
The guy who, like, they were literally headed towards Moscow.
He was the head of the Wagner Group.
Headed towards Moscow, and then they pull back at the last minute, and Putin's like, yeah, bro, I'll see you in a little bit.
And this plane blew up in the sky.
There's a video of his plane in the sky, and it's like on fire in the sky.
Nothing suspicious about that.
eddie bravo
Yeah.
joe rogan
I mean, it's kind of crazy.
eddie bravo
But, like, Soviet Union was communist, and then the Soviet Union fell.
Like, the history of the Soviet Union and today's Russia is really confusing to me.
Like, I don't know what to believe.
I don't know what to believe with anything, like, in regards to history, like...
Man, it's just like, what is real and what's not?
I'm just like, fuck.
I'm just like, okay, let's just see how everything plays out.
But Soviet Union fell, so I thought like Russia is claiming like democratic socialism or something.
joe rogan
It's sort of democratic.
But Putin is basically running it because Putin was the president of Russia or whatever, you know, whatever they call it over there.
And then he stepped down and then his main guy took over and then Putin's like, fuck this, I'm taking over again.
And now he's running it and he's been running Russia.
Was it?
When did he start running?
When was his second term as president of Russia?
Do you know who also has a fucking Soviet passport or Russian passport?
Roy Jones.
Roy Jones Jr. is tight with Putin.
eddie bravo
Interesting.
joe rogan
Yeah, well, he's a star over there, man.
eddie bravo
Really?
joe rogan
Yeah, man.
He had a bunch of boxing fights over there.
They love him over there.
They love, like, you know, elite combat sports athletes, and Roy Jones Jr. in his prime was the fucking man.
eddie bravo
Yeah.
When you talk about the all-time greats, you can, in his prime, he may have, I would say he's the best technician ever.
Ever.
joe rogan
One of the best athletes that's ever competed in boxing.
He was so fast.
eddie bravo
Think about that one round he had with Vinny Pazienza where only round in...
joe rogan
CompuBox history.
eddie bravo
Yeah, in CompuBox history where Vinny Pazienza couldn't land a punch.
Incredible.
joe rogan
Incredible.
And then Roy tried to stop the fight.
He was teeing off on him.
He said to the referee, come on, man.
It's over.
eddie bravo
Yeah.
joe rogan
And the referee's like, continue.
He's like, alrighty.
Okay.
Putin has been Russia's most powerful politician since he assumed the presidency in 2000 after resignation of his predecessor, Boris Yeltsin.
But he stepped down for a while and then came back again, though.
But he was, like, still kind of in power.
If he still remains in power until 2036, his tenure will surpass even that of Joseph Stalin, who ruled the Soviet Union for 29 years.
jamie vernon
We're supposed to have six-year terms, but he created a new law that can allow that term limit to reset.
joe rogan
It's a good move.
It's a good move if you want to run things.
That's what Chris Rock was saying about Trump.
When Trump made it into office, he's like, he's never getting out of there.
It'll change the fucking laws.
He's not going to stop being president.
I remember Chris Rock was saying that on stage.
It was hilarious.
eddie bravo
You know that guy Yuri Bezmenov that you bring up every now and then?
And he explains ideological subversion, right?
unidentified
Bro.
eddie bravo
If that shit's real and it seems like it's real, then does that mean Russia is responsible for all our shit?
joe rogan
If it's not real, what a prediction.
What a crazy prediction that we would lose all faith in our democratic process and that the children from the universities will all adapt Marxist-Leninist philosophy.
They all do.
I mean, how many people are young kids that consider themselves Marxists?
eddie bravo
Yeah, so are we in the middle of a fucking...
of a Russian infiltration?
Or is it Chinese?
joe rogan
Well, I think both of those countries are very clever.
You know, they do some very clever things.
One of the things that China does is they buy up corporations.
Do you know how many...
Someone showed me a list of all these corporations that are run by China.
I don't even know if this is true.
unidentified
Is...
eddie bravo
What's the Chinese president?
Xi Jinping.
Is Xi Jinping and...
unidentified
What's his fucking name from Russia?
joe rogan
Putin?
eddie bravo
Putin.
Are they like buddies?
Because they're both like communists, right?
joe rogan
Well...
eddie bravo
I'm confused there.
joe rogan
I'm sure they're united against America now.
eddie bravo
And if Yuri Bezmenov, if he's right, He's basically saying that Russia has put...
We're under some kind of like 20-year Russian infiltration ideological subversion plan or something like that.
unidentified
Yeah.
joe rogan
What he was basically saying was that they have this very long game approach.
Whereas the United States...
We try to do things quickly and we think about short term.
Whereas in Russia, they think about things very long.
Very long.
eddie bravo
Yeah.
joe rogan
They're not afraid of people dying over there.
Because they lost so many people in so many wars.
eddie bravo
Yeah.
joe rogan
I mean, if it wasn't for Russia, Russia holding off the Nazis, Russia helped us win World War II in a giant way, in a fucking giant way.
And you look at the losses that Russia faced.
What was that?
The one battle that Shane Gillis brought up during the podcast, like Shane Gillis is a gigantic history buff, and he brought up this one battle where Russia lost some fucking insane amount of people holding off the Nazis.
I mean insane amount of people.
Like way more than any war we've ever lost.
That was one of the things that people always said about Russia.
Like the girls are so hot.
And they so outnumber men because so many men died.
eddie bravo
Yeah.
joe rogan
So many men died over there.
So for the longest time, it was like this overabundance of these hot Russian women.
And how many of them came over and became spies?
unidentified
Yeah.
eddie bravo
Man, it's like, what the fuck is going on?
unidentified
What is going on?
eddie bravo
It's like, I don't know what to believe anymore, dawg.
It almost seems like...
There's a Great Awakening and there's a Great Reset.
Klaus Schwab talking about the Great Reset.
And then there's a Great Awakening.
A lot of people are waking up.
Sometimes I feel like the Great Awakening is winning and then sometimes I feel like the Great Reset is winning.
All this fighting that we're doing, we're fighting over dumb shit all the time.
joe rogan
All the time.
Bathrooms and gender.
eddie bravo
Meanwhile, this new world order is like digital currency.
joe rogan
Climate change.
eddie bravo
Yeah.
It's like, what the fuck is going on?
It just seems like...
Like, there's our politicians here, you know, the ones that we see, the ones that are on TV, and then whatever's above them, the guys we don't see, maybe they just want to just destroy America.
Like, how do we destroy America?
joe rogan
How do we make it— I think what they want is control.
They want control the way that China has control, the way that Russia has control.
And there's so much freedom in America in terms of freedom of speech and freedom to do whatever you want.
eddie bravo
It's like on the surface, we see the left fighting with the right, right?
On the surface, right?
But what if the overall goal is to get us...
The only way we're going to have a military regime, like the controllers, they want as much of a military regime as possible.
Maybe disguise it so we don't think we're under.
But the best way to do that, the most...
Not the easiest, but the best way is you gotta make the people embrace the military, right?
You gotta make them embrace.
How do you make them embrace it?
Right now, we're kind of embracing it.
We're like, oh, where's the military?
Tribunals and all that shit.
With all the shit, it's almost like that.
Like, were we tricked?
Are we being tricked into embracing the military?
Like, there's so...
Like, I don't know which way this shit's going.
It's just so all over the fucking place, man.
Like, all the stuff that Biden is doing, it's like...
unidentified
It's like, who's advising this motherfucker?
eddie bravo
You know what I mean?
joe rogan
He's running again.
eddie bravo
And then they're talking about Michelle Obama running.
That keeps coming up.
Ted Cruz just talked about that.
joe rogan
I think Gavin Newsom can win.
eddie bravo
You don't think Michelle Obama has a better chance?
joe rogan
If she wants to do it.
eddie bravo
She's a minority.
joe rogan
If she wants to do it.
eddie bravo
Yeah.
joe rogan
But does she want to do it?
I mean, she's never expressed it.
It seems like Gavin Newsom wants to be president.
unidentified
Yeah.
joe rogan
And he, like, fits the bill.
Handsome, tall, smooth talker.
He'd be so much better than Biden as a president.
eddie bravo
I mean, that's a no-brainer.
unidentified
It just seems like, man, is this a trick?
eddie bravo
Is this just so obvious?
joe rogan
He's trying to figure out how to remove these homeless encampments in California, but there's laws against it.
There's laws that prevent you from pushing those people out.
eddie bravo
I will say this, though.
I will say this.
People talk a lot of shit.
I mean, I'm in California for the weather.
I like the weather, man.
joe rogan
The weather's amazing.
eddie bravo
The weather's amazing, dude.
We've had, like, probably 14 days over 100 degrees.
And y'alls out here and in Florida, you guys are, like, six months of just death.
You know what I mean?
joe rogan
Bro.
eddie bravo
And don't say you like it, because if you like it, turn your air conditioner on and tell them how much you like it.
Everybody says they like it, as long as they're in air-conditioned facilities.
joe rogan
Right, but that's how California is, too.
When it's 100 degrees outside in California, you want to be...
eddie bravo
No, no, the amount of days per year.
joe rogan
That's true.
It's way hotter here for longer.
eddie bravo
And I almost moved to Florida.
I almost did it.
I almost went to Tampa.
Thank God I didn't.
I'm glad I waited it out.
But during the height of all the BS, man, it was so scary on the 101. The homeless just...
They were on the freeway.
So if you're in rush hour on the 101, it's like Mad Max, dog.
It was fucking scary.
You're like, you're just sitting there and there's all these people around you just living and camped out on the freeway.
joe rogan
Bro, if they just got rid of that, if they just eliminated the homeless encampments, find shelter for these people, get them counseling, that's A. That's number one.
eddie bravo
They did clean all that up.
They're not on the freeways no more.
joe rogan
Not on the freeways.
But they still...
If you go to Venice, it's a disaster.
unidentified
Yeah, but it's not...
joe rogan
If you go to Santa Monica, it's a disaster.
eddie bravo
They have cleaned it up a little bit.
I can't deny it.
I see it.
joe rogan
They should clean it up, clean it up, like all the way.
eddie bravo
Do that.
I drive in downtown all the time, and there's a certain bridge that I drive under, and it's always...
Every day, people put up houses there.
joe rogan
Yeah, they have electricity, they're tapping on lines.
eddie bravo
But they cleaned it out.
I don't know if they cleaned it out everywhere, but in my path where I see them, they're doing something about the homeless.
Good.
joe rogan
Praise to them for doing that.
Next step?
You gotta eliminate these fucking crazy DAs that take these violent fucking people that shoot people and assault people and rob things.
You gotta have fucking police.
You gotta have law and order.
All this defunding the police is too scary.
These smash and grabs in all these stores.
unidentified
Fuck you.
joe rogan
Bro, these smash and grabs are great.
Down the street from my old podcast studio at the Topanga Mall, they fucking smashed into the Nordstrom.
They just smash and grab everything.
They did it in Century City.
They did it in Beverly Hills.
eddie bravo
It seems like...
Man, it just seems like...
joe rogan
If he can clean that up, if he can refund the police, clean that up, make LA safe, like 2016 safe...
eddie bravo
I don't think that's gonna happen.
joe rogan
Why not?
Bro, if that guy did that...
He could get a lot of people's vote for president.
eddie bravo
We just cleaned up.
Cut the fucking taxes, too.
Like, the California taxes are like, what the fuck are we doing over here?
joe rogan
But if the taxes were worth it, right?
If it's worth that 14% to live in the state...
Look, I don't mind paying taxes, right?
I don't want to pay too much taxes, but people think I moved here to not pay taxes.
That is not the case.
If L.A. was the same L.A. from 2015, I'd still be in L.A. 100%.
I miss the Comedy Store.
I miss Tent Planet Jiu Jitsu.
I miss all the restaurants I used to go to.
I miss all my friends.
I miss it.
But they just got too crazy during the pandemic.
They just got too crazy with shutting down businesses.
They got too crazy with telling people what they can do and what they can't do.
Too crazy with mandating vaccines for kids to go to school.
They got too crazy with all those things.
If they didn't do that, I don't mind paying the taxes, man.
unidentified
Yeah.
joe rogan
I don't mind.
I get it.
I get it.
I'm wealthy and it shouldn't affect me as much as it does other people.
I get that.
But I'm saying that, like, if it was worth it, if you got something out of it, if there's something you get from it, where it's like, it's worth that 14%.
But 14% is crazy.
That's so much money.
If you make $100,000 a year, you have to pay $14,000 to the fucking government.
For what?
For what?
That's so much money, man.
Fourteen grand?
eddie bravo
Yeah.
joe rogan
If you make a hundred grand, now you make ninety-six.
Or now you make eighty-six.
eddie bravo
And then you gotta pay federal tax.
joe rogan
You gotta pay federal tax.
And you gotta pay sales tax.
eddie bravo
Yeah.
joe rogan
And property tax.
I mean, there's so many taxes.
But if it was worth it, And then they got this mansion tax.
Do you know about the mansion tax?
eddie bravo
I heard about that.
I don't know too much about that.
joe rogan
Pull it up.
Whitney Comics was complaining about it.
If you have a house and it's worth a certain amount of money, I don't know who pays it, whether it's the buyer or the seller.
But there's a tax that gets slapped onto it, like if it's worth X amount of money.
eddie bravo
Dude, I gotta piss so bad.
joe rogan
Go piss.
Go piss.
unidentified
Pause.
joe rogan
I'll piss too.
jamie vernon
I've just commented.
unidentified
Are we recording this?
joe rogan
Shane Gillis is deleting Jamie's posts.
When Jamie comments on Shane Gillis' Instagram, Shane deletes it.
eddie bravo
It's over football, though.
jamie vernon
Yeah, it was just a gif.
It was just like a response.
You know, Ohio State fun gif.
And it's gone.
I was like, whoa, what happened?
Who took it down?
I thought Instagram took it down.
eddie bravo
Notre Dame lost?
jamie vernon
Yeah, I thought Instagram was thinking I was bullying him.
But that's not the case.
eddie bravo
And who's they?
What was it?
Ohio State?
jamie vernon
Yeah, they scored in the last play of the game.
Fourth down.
One yard run.
eddie bravo
Oh, shit.
Right down to the wire?
jamie vernon
Yeah.
eddie bravo
Football's emotional, man.
You spend a lot of time.
joe rogan
Shane believes in censorship.
unidentified
That's what I'm getting at.
jamie vernon
That's all I've understood about this whole thing.
joe rogan
Shane believes in censorship.
eddie bravo
Dude, you spend all week thinking about this game Sunday, and then you play like shit, and you waste three, four hours watching this motherfucker.
It leaves a bad taste in your mouth.
joe rogan
I get it.
I get it now after I went to that game, and I saw how hyped people get in Dallas.
I've seen the Cowboys play in Dallas.
Cowboys smoked them.
Smoked the Jets.
But it was wild watching it, man.
I was like, this is fun.
jamie vernon
They lost last night and the Cowboys fans are so pissed about it.
eddie bravo
It goes back and forth, dude.
joe rogan
Yeah.
eddie bravo
Back and forth.
If you lose, everybody shits on you.
If you win, oh my god, we have a chance to make it to the playoffs.
It's very emotional.
There's a lot of shit talking going on in football.
joe rogan
I can get into it a little bit, but I don't have the time to really get into it.
eddie bravo
I'm into it because I've always been into it, but it's also...
I know that sports are a distraction.
Like empires, they like the circus and the distraction.
I know it's a distraction.
It's meant to distract you from what's really going on, and it gets you to not pay attention to what...
The government's doing to you and all that shit.
joe rogan
That might have been why it was initially created.
But right now, it exists as a beautiful form of entertainment that makes people's lives happen.
eddie bravo
But I use it for distraction.
Because I'm like, you can't be Captain Conspiracy all day.
You know what I mean?
I like watching music documentaries and football.
That's what I do to get away from fucking...
joe rogan
You know what I get?
I get away from...
I watch Professional Pool.
eddie bravo
That's crazy.
That's crazier than football.
joe rogan
Because it's completely apolitical.
eddie bravo
Are there team pool sports?
joe rogan
Yes.
There's a thing called the Moscone Cup.
eddie bravo
And it's a team.
It's like Quintet.
joe rogan
It's like Team USA versus Team Europe.
It's a big event that happens every year.
And one year it'll happen in the United States.
Like last year it was in Vegas.
This year it's in London.
And people cheer and scream.
eddie bravo
How many people per team?
joe rogan
It's fucking wild.
That's a good question.
I'm not sure.
But they play two at a time.
So two people play against two people.
So if you and I were playing, so if you're playing nine ball.
Nine ball is a rotation pool.
Which means you have to make the one, then you have to make the two, and then when you make the nine you win.
So if you and I were on a team, you would make the one ball, but you'd play a position for me to make the two ball.
Then I would make the two ball, and then you would make the three ball.
That's how the game's played.
eddie bravo
Interesting.
joe rogan
I don't like that.
I like one-on-one.
One-on-one's my favorite.
eddie bravo
Who's the Hicks and Gracie of Poole right now?
joe rogan
Shane Van Boning is a dude from South Dakota who's deaf and he turns his hearing aid off when he plays.
He doesn't hear shit.
He just goes into the zone.
You could talk shit about him all day.
You could say crazy things.
He doesn't even hear it.
He's just in the zone and he's just dedicated.
Dude practices eight hours a day.
He beat this dude in this tournament he played last week.
He beat this dude 10 to nothing and he ran nine racks.
So for nine racks he broke and ran out.
eddie bravo
What's running nine racks?
What does that mean?
joe rogan
It means the other guy doesn't even shoot.
eddie bravo
Because he just made every shot.
joe rogan
Made every shot.
eddie bravo
It's crazy that people could do that.
joe rogan
So good.
He's so good.
unidentified
Damn.
joe rogan
If you watch him play, he's a machine, man.
He's a machine.
He makes shots.
And also, like, getting a shot on the one after the break.
Like, what are the odds you're going to get a shot in the one?
He ran seven racks in a row.
eddie bravo
Is there a skill to that?
The break?
joe rogan
Yeah.
eddie bravo
He's got to hit it as hard as possible.
joe rogan
It's not as hard as possible.
It's as accurate as possible.
And sometimes it's the right speed.
Sometimes if you hit it too hard, the balls scatter too much and you don't have control.
But if you hit it just the right speed...
You will make like the one ball on the side and the two ball likely will bounce out and get a shot.
And this motherfucker ran seven racks in a row in a big tournament against the best players in the world.
And then he ran two more racks and then he fucking won the game.
eddie bravo
And he's an American?
joe rogan
He's an American, yeah.
He's maybe the best of all time.
eddie bravo
Are there countries that produce...
Is it random or is there certain countries that produce good football players?
joe rogan
I'm a big fan of the guys from China.
Huge fan of the guys from China and the guys from the Philippines.
Those are some of my favorite players.
And Taiwan.
There's these two brothers out of Taiwan, the Ko brothers.
Ko Pin Yee and Ko Ping Chung.
They're my favorite players to watch.
I love watching those guys play.
eddie bravo
Do they ever play against each other?
joe rogan
Yeah, they do.
It's funny.
It's funny watching them play because they have the same kind of style.
eddie bravo
It's like the Rutolo brothers, you know?
joe rogan
A little bit.
eddie bravo
They had to fight in the finals of, I think it was the Brown Belt Gi Worlds.
Or was it Black Belt?
But yeah, they don't fake shit, dude.
The Rotolo brothers are fucking animals.
joe rogan
Animals.
eddie bravo
Those guys are animals.
joe rogan
All natural, too.
And they're like 20 years old.
eddie bravo
Yeah.
joe rogan
And they're amongst the best in the world.
eddie bravo
And they're just getting started.
joe rogan
And they have a deal with 1FC, too.
They do the 1FC grappling thing over there.
unidentified
Dude.
joe rogan
That's another thing I love about 1FC. They mix it all up.
They got Michael Simechi over there, and I love it.
eddie bravo
They mix it up.
joe rogan
I love that they do that, yeah.
eddie bravo
You go to...
Shatree invited me to that Denver show, the first US show.
That was insane, man.
That was insane.
It was just a mix of kickboxing, MMA, grappling.
joe rogan
Love it.
eddie bravo
And the grapplers came out with like, you know, they look like superstars.
Like the Rutolo brothers, Mikey Musa, they're superstars.
joe rogan
What I love about Chautry and what he's doing with 1FC is they're embracing all the aspects of martial arts.
They have Muay Thai with little gloves.
They have Jiu Jitsu.
They have real fucking elite level MMA. It's fucking great.
They even have kickboxing.
So they have kickboxing, which is no elbows, you know, no clinch.
eddie bravo
Oh, they have regular kickboxing.
What style is that called?
joe rogan
Kickboxing, like Glory.
Glory is regular kickboxing.
eddie bravo
No elbows.
joe rogan
No elbows.
eddie bravo
No knees.
joe rogan
No knees.
You can go knees, but you can't clinch and throw knees the way everybody else does.
It's like K-1.
K-1 was kickboxing.
K-1 is not MMA. Excuse me, it's not Muay Thai.
So K-1 does not allow elbows.
eddie bravo
K1 does not allow elbows, but they do allow a brief clinch.
joe rogan
Yep, a brief clinch, one knee, one knee from the clinch.
You can't hold on like Anderson Silva did with Rich Franklin.
Hold on and just batter him with knees.
Remember when Anderson Silva got that plum on Rich Franklin and just destroyed him?
eddie bravo
Yeah, that was...
joe rogan
Bro, Anderson in his prime.
eddie bravo
The interesting thing about, or one of the interesting things about Anderson Silva, there's so many, but he was like middle of the road for a while.
He was just one of those dudes from Shootbox coming up.
He was winning, he was losing.
He fought Ryu.
What was that guy's name?
The Japanese guy that did the flying...
joe rogan
Flying heel hook on him.
Yeah.
eddie bravo
It was one of those...
joe rogan
He was Mayhem's training partner.
What's that dude's name?
eddie bravo
Ryu.
joe rogan
God damn it.
eddie bravo
Anderson Silva versus...
I'm embarrassed that I forgot his name.
joe rogan
I'm embarrassed too.
unidentified
Yeah.
eddie bravo
It starts with an R though.
I know that.
joe rogan
That guy was good.
eddie bravo
Yeah.
joe rogan
He threw that crazy flying scissor takedown to a heel hook, which is like, that's pro wrestling.
eddie bravo
Well, it's actually...
joe rogan
It's legit, but...
eddie bravo
That's it right there.
joe rogan
Ryo Chonan.
eddie bravo
There we go.
unidentified
I was right with the R. Check out this fight.
joe rogan
See if you can find that.
It was a good fight, too.
So this was Anderson before he went to Cage Rage.
Remember he went to Cage Rage?
And when he went to Cage Rage, that's when he became the fucking man.
When he went to Cage Rage...
Bro, so Rio Chonan, he threw this flying...
Is it going to show it in here?
jamie vernon
They're discussing it.
It's a video about the...
joe rogan
Do they have the actual segment?
See if you can scroll.
There it is.
unidentified
Boom!
joe rogan
Look at that.
That is crazy.
eddie bravo
Yeah, that was like Marvin Castile.
joe rogan
Crazy.
The way he did it?
Crazy.
eddie bravo
That move, by the way, is illegal in my tournament.
joe rogan
Really?
Because it's too many knees to get destroyed.
eddie bravo
Dude, you can just break a leg right there.
I witnessed right in front of my face a leg getting destroyed, and I'm like, okay, that is banned.
We are banning that one.
joe rogan
What happened?
eddie bravo
You know, one of my students just did that move that you just saw and he landed on the shin and it fucking snapped, man.
And it was not good.
joe rogan
What happened to Richie?
Did Richie get his leg snapped recently?
eddie bravo
With Craig Jones?
No, he tweaked it.
He heard it.
Craig Jones did some crazy behind the back toehold thing.
It was fucking crazy.
joe rogan
Craig Jones doing some wild shit, man.
eddie bravo
Craig Jones, one of the best in the world.
One of the best to do it, you know?
They won the Quintet Team Tournament.
It was a fucking badass, man.
We got to the finals against B Team, and Craig Jones just too much, you know?
But we did great.
My guys did great.
Everybody did great, man.
joe rogan
It looked like a break.
That's why I was scared.
It looked like he broke his ankle.
eddie bravo
Maybe something got cracked, but he didn't tell me.
We were walking right afterwards.
Really?
He wasn't limping or anything.
joe rogan
Okay, so it just popped.
eddie bravo
Yeah, a little pop on the outside.
If it pops on the outside, there's nothing you can really do.
I mean, there's no surgery for it.
You just wait it out.
You just wait it out.
I've had my ankle pop many times, and then it's sore and tender for a long time.
joe rogan
I had my ankle pop once, and it swole up, and then the whole thing was black.
My whole ankle was black.
I was like, oh my god, I'm never going to throw a kick again.
eddie bravo
Yeah.
Oh, there it is.
joe rogan
Yeah, here it is.
eddie bravo
Oh, that was after.
unidentified
It's hard to see what happened.
jamie vernon
I mean, I could show you, but...
joe rogan
Yeah, you show it right before this.
So here it is.
eddie bravo
Before that?
Okay, so...
Look at him.
He reaches with his left hand.
He reaches behind his back, like, right there.
Look at that left hand, right there.
And then he puts a toehold.
So he's got...
His left hand on one side of Richie's leg and his right hand in between the legs with a toe.
You couldn't really see it in that angle, but I never really seen that before.
Look at this.
Boom.
Look at this.
joe rogan
Do you remember when Craig Jones had that match with Vinny Magalese and he broke his ankle?
eddie bravo
Yes.
joe rogan
He broke his shit.
He broke his shin bone, right?
eddie bravo
I don't know the exact damage he did.
joe rogan
Because Craig tried to tell him, hey, it's broke.
He's like, it's okay.
He's like, yeah, but it's broken.
eddie bravo
That was gruesome.
joe rogan
It's like moving around.
eddie bravo
Yeah, that was gruesome.
joe rogan
I talked to Vinny when Vinny was at Abu Dhabi.
He's like, eh, I'm still kind of fucked up.
eddie bravo
Yeah.
joe rogan
I think he had to get a plate now.
eddie bravo
Vinny was one of the first leg lock pioneers in ADCC. People forget about that.
He won the whole thing, I think, in 2007 or 2009 or something.
And he was heel-hooking the shit out of people.
Him and Dean Lester.
joe rogan
Yeah.
I think Vinny's the last guy to beat Gordon.
eddie bravo
Is he the last one?
joe rogan
I believe so.
eddie bravo
I think so.
joe rogan
Do you remember when Vinny did a flying arm bar on Pedepano?
eddie bravo
I don't remember that.
In the jujitsu match?
joe rogan
No gi.
eddie bravo
I don't remember that.
On Pedepano?
joe rogan
Beautiful.
eddie bravo
Let's see if we can find that.
Beautiful.
Pedepano.
joe rogan
Beautiful.
eddie bravo
Vinny Magalas.
joe rogan
Pedepano's a fucking animal.
eddie bravo
Yeah, I don't remember that one at all.
joe rogan
He hit him on a flying arm bar.
See if you can find that.
Vinnie Magalese, Pei De Pano, flying armbar.
Oh, it's fucking gorgeous.
And to see a guy do that on a world champion at that high a level and to catch it, it was picture perfect.
eddie bravo
Yeah, and what I was saying about Anderson Silva was he didn't come out as the baddest motherfucker on the planet right away.
It took a while.
Then he went to Cage Rage.
joe rogan
Yes.
eddie bravo
And he started fucking people up.
That's when it came apart.
What was his biggest win in Cage Rage?
joe rogan
Lee Murray.
eddie bravo
Oh.
joe rogan
Oh, remember that?
unidentified
Yeah.
joe rogan
Lee Murray was a fucking killer.
eddie bravo
There's a documentary about him.
unidentified
Isn't that crazy?
joe rogan
Yeah, I was talking to Guy Ritchie about it.
Lee Murray was a real gangster who could fight.
He wound up being part of the crew that committed the biggest armed robbery in the history of the UK. They had a movie like Heat.
Full face masks on and goggles and fucking tactical equipment and bulletproof vests.
I think they stole like 50 million dollars.
Something crazy.
eddie bravo
And they got away with it for a while.
Sort of.
joe rogan
Everybody kind of knew.
It's one of those things.
In the fucking criminal world, those guys aren't real good at shutting the fuck up.
They're wild people.
If you're doing something like that, you got friends.
And you're telling your friends, and those friends are probably going to get arrested.
And then they're going to fucking, hey, I know some shit.
Did you find that?
jamie vernon
I don't know how to spell the other guy's name.
unidentified
P-E-P-E-D-E-P-E-D-Pano.
jamie vernon
That's his nickname.
That's probably the problem.
joe rogan
Oh, what's his real name?
jamie vernon
Marcio Cruz.
eddie bravo
There it is.
joe rogan
Oh, that's right.
eddie bravo
Yeah, he's huge.
He's like 6'5".
Giant guy.
joe rogan
He fought in MMA too, but it didn't really pan out for him.
unidentified
I believe in the game.
joe rogan
No, it's no game.
eddie bravo
There it is.
jamie vernon
I know it's locked behind the play wall there, though.
joe rogan
Oh, the flow grappling play wall?
I got a subscription.
Try that.
jamie vernon
Click that.
joe rogan
Oh, video unavailable.
jamie vernon
Give me a second.
joe rogan
Hmm.
unidentified
Yeah.
Let me type this in YouTube.
Hold on.
Anthony Paroche.
jamie vernon
I'm going to type this in YouTube.
joe rogan
Hold on.
I forgot about him, too.
Dude was a fucking animal.
jamie vernon
This is not it.
joe rogan
Hmm.
Just Google Flying Armbar.
No, no, no.
Marcio Cruz Flying Armbar.
Just Google that.
Marcio Cruz Flying Armbar.
Yeah, here we go.
Let me see it.
Yeah, but you don't want to see him doing it.
You want to see Vinny Magalhães doing it to him.
Yeah.
No, no, no.
Leave Vinnie Magalais, Marcio Cruz.
Yeah, there we go.
Let's try that.
jamie vernon
It would have already come up.
unidentified
It's not going up.
joe rogan
Come on, really?
jamie vernon
Not on YouTube this way.
This is not the best way to look for this stuff.
That's what I was trying to differentiate.
joe rogan
That's crazy.
How's that not...
jamie vernon
It's on the Flow Grappling page and it's behind a paywall and that's the only clip that I can find.
joe rogan
Let me...
I'm going to show you my password.
Hold on a second.
eddie bravo
While you do that, dude, I gotta pee again.
joe rogan
Ah, go ahead.
Bro, you got a phone from the 90s.
What are you doing?
When are you gonna upgrade?
eddie bravo
I did.
I just got a new one.
Dude, coffee and beer just make me want to piss all the time, dude.
unidentified
I get it.
joe rogan
Goes right through you.
eddie bravo
Dude, sorry about that.
joe rogan
Don't worry, man.
That's the whole reason why we could pause.
We're not gonna find that video.
But what was another video that we were trying to find?
eddie bravo
Another great ADCC classic moment was when Davi Ramos.
Davi Ramos got a flying armbar.
That was 2015 in Sao Paulo.
joe rogan
Davi Ramos a fucking animal.
eddie bravo
Dude, holy shit.
He found the UFC a little bit, right?
joe rogan
A little bit.
I was surprised that he didn't go further.
I had a feeling he was going to smoke everybody once he got to the ground.
eddie bravo
Yeah.
joe rogan
Because I just felt like, how are you going to stop that guy?
eddie bravo
Yeah, man.
His arm bar was fucking insane.
joe rogan
It is so hard to make the transition to the UFC. It's so hard.
eddie bravo
Dude, you gotta have your striking on point.
joe rogan
You gotta have everything on point.
eddie bravo
It's almost, it's like striking and wrestling because every fight, every round starts on your feet.
Like, that's the most important thing.
You're striking and you're wrestling.
In the early days, you can get away with just being really good at jiu-jitsu and getting a clinch and dragging the fight to the ground, but...
joe rogan
Not anymore.
unidentified
Oh, dude.
eddie bravo
Everybody's hard to take down now.
There's no more easy takedowns.
joe rogan
You know who's crazy who's still in the mix?
Well, it was until recently.
Hani Yaya.
unidentified
That guy was around forever!
eddie bravo
He got to the finals of the Abu Dhabi I was in, 2003. He was 17 and got to the finals against Leo Vieira.
joe rogan
And he was fighting in the UFC recently.
eddie bravo
Yeah, he's really good.
He's really good.
That guy understands the clinch game.
If he would have been a little more striking, if he would have been a better striker, he is his jiu-jitsu man.
He had good MMA jiu-jitsu.
He was all about squeezing and clinching and smashing.
And he got a lot of that from Hickson.
Hickson took him under his wing for a little bit.
joe rogan
Yeah, Hickson was in his corner for a while.
eddie bravo
He's a squeezer.
joe rogan
Team constrictor.
That was his team.
eddie bravo
Yeah, not all jujitsu champions coming from the Gi.
Not all of them are squeeze machines.
Some of them are really good at collar chokes, you know what I mean?
And they're just death with those things.
They get a hand in your collar, man, you're going to sleep.
joe rogan
Remember when Murillo Bustamante had a tap Matt Lindland twice?
eddie bravo
Marillo Bustamante was the one who upkicked Jerry Bolander.
joe rogan
Was he?
eddie bravo
I think so.
I think it was Marillo Bustamante upkicked.
Because I said before it was Fabio Giorgio.
joe rogan
Yeah.
eddie bravo
I think it...
I get the names mixed up, but I'm pretty sure it was Bustamante.
How about when he tapped out Matt Lennon twice?
You were talking about that?
joe rogan
Yeah.
Yeah.
eddie bravo
In one fight.
joe rogan
Yeah.
eddie bravo
The craziest fight ever.
joe rogan
Crazy.
Big John McCarthy separated them.
Said the fight was over.
Matt Lennon's like, I didn't tap.
Be definitely tapped.
eddie bravo
Yeah.
joe rogan
And then they didn't have instant replay back then.
So Big John's like, okay, fight again.
Keep fighting.
And Marillo's like, what the fuck?
And I think they went a whole round after that.
And then the next round, Marillo caught him in a guillotine.
eddie bravo
Crazy shit.
That happened, that kinda happened when...
joe rogan
Sakuraba.
eddie bravo
When I was in, I commentated for a show called Too Hot to Handle in Amsterdam.
Oh yeah, I remember that.
And Gilbert Ivo, remember him?
joe rogan
Sure.
eddie bravo
Man, what a scary dude that was.
That guy, he was the one in Pride 10 that threw one strike against Gary Goodrich, one strike, one head kick, and he went down.
Let's see what this is.
unidentified
What's this?
joe rogan
Oh, this is it!
unidentified
Yeah.
eddie bravo
We found it.
unidentified
Yeah.
jamie vernon
This is deep, deep searching.
joe rogan
Damn, let it go.
unidentified
Here we go.
joe rogan
Watch this.
It's so beautiful, dude.
eddie bravo
Oh, look at that.
joe rogan
Look at that.
unidentified
Wow.
joe rogan
How beautiful is that?
eddie bravo
Wow.
Look, he's wearing tights.
joe rogan
Yeah.
Beautiful.
eddie bravo
Beautiful.
No greasing on him.
joe rogan
No.
Not at all.
jamie vernon
Did he tap that quick?
joe rogan
Yep.
Yeah, he knew it was over.
eddie bravo
Dude, let's see that whole thing again.
Right as he was going down, he was already extending the arm.
Look at that.
He's got the collar tie.
Off the collar tie.
Look at that.
Boom!
Man, he went on the left arm.
joe rogan
Amazing.
eddie bravo
That was quick.
That's huge.
joe rogan
He probably verbal tapped.
jamie vernon
Yeah.
joe rogan
Amazing.
That was when Vinny was training with you.
eddie bravo
Yeah.
joe rogan
Amazing.
eddie bravo
Damn.
joe rogan
To do that to a guy that high level, I mean, that's fucking incredible.
eddie bravo
See if you could find Davi Ramos, ADCC 2015 flying armbar.
unidentified
It's...
eddie bravo
I don't know.
I mean, it's different than this one, but it's equally impressive, I think.
joe rogan
Really, we should give props to our guy.
eddie bravo
Who's our guy?
Oh, here it is.
unidentified
Here it is.
Look at this.
eddie bravo
Look at this.
joe rogan
Oh, yeah.
He jumped on him.
eddie bravo
Look at this.
Look at this.
unidentified
Boom!
eddie bravo
Done.
Over.
That was so quick.
joe rogan
Davi Ramos is a fucking animal.
unidentified
Damn.
joe rogan
He just caught him reaching.
Look at that.
unidentified
Woo!
eddie bravo
And Davi Ramos, he's one of those Brazilians, one of the first Brazilians that came out with high-level leg locks.
He's a leg locker.
He's a Brazilian leg locker.
There's a couple out there that came up that people forgot about.
And do you remember when Alan Belcher fought Rusamar Pajaras?
unidentified
Yeah.
eddie bravo
Rusamar Pajaras was probably the most feared Brazilian leg locker ever.
The guy's huge as Jack.
He's looking like Ken Shamrock in his prime, you know?
And he's a leg locker.
He just rips people's legs apart.
joe rogan
But Alan trained to avoid the leg locks.
eddie bravo
So Alan brought in Davey Ramos, Davi Ramos, and Dean Lister.
For his training camp, and he had him out there for a month.
And Ellen Belcher told me, he goes, those dudes are fucking me up.
Dean Lister and Davi Ramos with leg locks just over and over.
But after a while, I started slowing them down, started countering, started defending, started pulling out.
And by the time that UFC match against Russo Malpaharis came around, that was one of the greatest UFC fights of all time.
joe rogan
It was amazing.
Because he engaged.
unidentified
Dude.
eddie bravo
He had Alan Belcher...
But first, Alan Belcher pulls him into a fucking twister, dude.
Do you remember that?
Oh, yeah!
He comes in with a single.
Alan Belcher doesn't even fight the single.
He just transitions that into the truck, and he almost twisters him.
Dude gets out, and then he's all over Alan Belcher's legs.
He's all over those legs, and Alan's just defending, defending, pulling out, defending...
He had really good looks on his legs.
And then he finally got out and fucking ground and pounded his way to the stoppage.
joe rogan
Alan Belcher is a heavyweight bare-knuckle fighter now.
eddie bravo
He's fighting bare-knuckle now?
joe rogan
Did you not know?
unidentified
I did not know.
joe rogan
He was a champion.
eddie bravo
I did not know.
joe rogan
He relinquished his title so he could fight for Jorge Masvidal.
So he's fighting Jorge Masvidal's MMA fight.
He's fighting against Roy Big Country Nelson.
And the winner of that is now going to fight Junior Dos Santos.
eddie bravo
Holy shit, I had no idea.
joe rogan
I'm thinking about going.
eddie bravo
I had no idea.
joe rogan
You want to go?
eddie bravo
Let's do it.
joe rogan
Let's go to Miami.
I think it's in Florida in April.
I think that's when the big match is.
I think Alan Belcher is fighting...
November 10th.
Yeah, so that's November 10th.
And then the winner of that is going to fight Junior Dos Santos.
Bro, Alan Belcher can fucking box.
And he's a heavyweight now, man.
eddie bravo
Let's see Alan Belcher, Russomar Pajares.
That's got to be up for free.
Dude, that one is 100% just violence the whole way through.
There's no stopping that one, dude.
joe rogan
That's a great fight.
eddie bravo
Oh my god, Alan Belcher just...
And I remember after that, I'm like, dude, you got to put out a fucking leg lock defense.
joe rogan
Yeah.
eddie bravo
Right here, look at him.
He's going to take him down.
He's going to grab a single and he's going to go right into the truck.
Watch.
joe rogan
Yeah, Alan Belcher was so well prepared.
Alan's so smart.
He's such a smart dude.
He looks so different now because now he doesn't cut any weight.
He got jacked, shaved his head.
He's fucking huge now.
eddie bravo
Check this out.
Single, right into the truck.
unidentified
Watch.
Look at this.
eddie bravo
Single, right into the truck.
joe rogan
Yep, pulled it right in.
eddie bravo
And boom, he's caught.
He almost twisters him here.
Look at that shit.
joe rogan
Yeah, look at that.
Husamar's like, oh shit.
eddie bravo
He could have had the cap slaster right there.
He had it right there.
But damn, he's going for the grand slam here.
Look at that.
joe rogan
He's so close.
eddie bravo
He's so close.
joe rogan
Would that have been the first twister in MMA or had the Korean comedy?
eddie bravo
No, that would have been the first one, I think.
unidentified
Wow.
eddie bravo
I think.
I could be wrong, but I think this is the first one.
He goes for a little crotch ripper here.
Look at that.
Damn, he was so close.
He hasn't been there for a while.
Look at this.
joe rogan
Yeah, Husamah's like, what the fuck happened?
eddie bravo
He needs a baseball bat control.
joe rogan
Yeah, look at that.
eddie bravo
Oh, look at that.
joe rogan
He's just kind of grabbing it weird.
Look at that.
Oh, my God, he's got the head.
eddie bravo
Oh, so close.
joe rogan
He's got the head.
eddie bravo
So close.
Damn.
joe rogan
I forget how they broke out of this, though.
unidentified
Let's see.
joe rogan
Paul Harris must have been like...
Grab it like a baseball bat.
eddie bravo
There she is.
joe rogan
He was swinging a baseball bat.
eddie bravo
Oh!
Now, look, it's going to be a leg battle now.
Now, this is where all the leg lock defense comes into play here.
Look at this shit.
Dude, he's deep on him, dude.
unidentified
Look how deep.
eddie bravo
Oh, he's got that knee bar.
He turns to the right way.
Look at that.
unidentified
Boom.
eddie bravo
He's all over his legs.
Slides out of it.
Another deep, deep look.
Look at that.
Bam.
He's got a good bite on him.
joe rogan
Look how Allen uses that left leg.
They bust free.
eddie bravo
Exactly.
joe rogan
Triangles his right leg.
Look at that.
That was a wild-ass fight, man.
eddie bravo
He's on him.
joe rogan
This looks like someone filmed it from the TV. 100%.
Yeah, 100%, right?
Remember those old days where you'd buy movies that were like VHS tapes where someone set up a camera in the back of the movie theater?
eddie bravo
Yeah.
joe rogan
I used to buy those in New York all the time.
eddie bravo
Look, he's putting him in legs.
He's attacking a little bit here.
joe rogan
I know.
And Husamar must have been like, what the fuck is going on?
How is this happening?
eddie bravo
And this happened way before the leg lock revolution, man.
joe rogan
Oh, way before.
Yeah.
Way before, right?
eddie bravo
Yeah.
joe rogan
I want to say this is like 2004 or something.
eddie bravo
Fox 3. I would say this is 2008, 2009. UFC on Fox 3. Look at that.
He's got so many looks on his legs and they're steep.
He's got the knee line and everything.
Boom.
He just can't finish it off.
Look at perfect defense.
joe rogan
Yeah, Allen was so used to it.
unidentified
So many people were so terrified of Paul Harris when he grabbed your leg.
eddie bravo
Look at that spin.
Look at the way he spun out right there.
That was it right there.
Look at that.
Now it's all about ground and pound now.
unidentified
Look at this.
eddie bravo
Boom.
joe rogan
Because Husamard didn't let go.
If he got a hold of your fucking heel, he would tear that shit down and shred it.
Was it Mike Pierce?
Whose fucking knee did he fuck up where he didn't let go?
And then he got kicked out of the UFC. I forget that one.
eddie bravo
It may have been Mike Pierce.
joe rogan
They kicked him out.
They were like, bro, you gotta fucking let people go when they tap.
And they're like, that's it, son.
He's the only guy to ever get kicked out of the UFC for a win.
eddie bravo
Is that real?
joe rogan
Yeah.
He got banned from the UFC for winning.
unidentified
Boom!
joe rogan
Elbows!
Boom!
Boom!
Yeah.
unidentified
And he just fucked him up from here.
joe rogan
Just nasty ground and ground.
eddie bravo
And he had to have been tripping, too.
I'm like, man, I had so many chances on his legs.
joe rogan
Well, also, like, he was threatening him, man.
eddie bravo
Yeah, look at that.
It's gonna be over right there.
Boom.
joe rogan
Oh, big shots by Belcher.
eddie bravo
That's it.
joe rogan
Now, I want you to Google Alan Belcher bare-knuckle boxing.
Bro, you haven't seen him lately?
He's a heavyweight.
He's giant.
He's covered with...
He has an Evan Tanner tattoo.
eddie bravo
Oh, shit.
Damn.
joe rogan
Bro.
eddie bravo
Oh, shit.
joe rogan
Sausage.
eddie bravo
Oh, man.
joe rogan
Because he's like in his 40s now, right?
Show me a video, though.
eddie bravo
Damn, look at those arms.
Holy shit.
joe rogan
Fucking gigantic.
Show me a video, though.
Alan Belcher, bare knuckle boxing.
Just write bare knuckle boxing after that.
Yeah, there you go.
Give me some video.
Walk off KO. Now watch this.
Bro, he can box, man.
It's interesting watching him be so big, too.
I mean, the size, he's so different.
But he's skillful, man.
eddie bravo
Damn!
Oh, that guy, it's over.
joe rogan
So he's about to fight big country.
They're gonna fight in Jorge Masvidal's, which I fucking loved.
I really loved Masvidal's premiere event.
Or, not premiere event, he's had a couple of them.
But the last one he did with Junior Dos Santos and Fabrizio Verdum.
Bro, Bare Knuckle changes everything.
Changes everything.
You can't take those shots.
eddie bravo
And the crazy thing is he's a business guru.
joe rogan
Masvidal?
eddie bravo
No, Alan Belcher.
joe rogan
Alan is, yeah.
eddie bravo
Alan Belcher, dude.
He has like a...
joe rogan
This is Junior.
This is Junior and Fabricio.
But this is, like, not the best fight.
It was mostly Fabricio Verdum just getting punched in the face.
He just, like, Junior, with that boxing, that style that he has, he slices you with those punches.
Like, you can only take so much of those.
And Fabricio got a really nasty cut over one of his eyes.
At the end of it, he's, like, really jacked up.
So that's...
I'm in full support of Masvidal's organization.
I love that he's doing that.
I think that's how MMA should be done.
Bare knuckle.
So they're gonna have that Roy, Big Country, Nelson fight, and then the other one.
We should go.
eddie bravo
Damn.
unidentified
We should go to the big one.
eddie bravo
I'll check my schedule.
Thumb free that weekend.
Let's do it.
unidentified
Fuck.
eddie bravo
It's in Miami?
unidentified
Go.
joe rogan
I think it's in Florida.
I'm pretty sure it's in Florida.
I'm not sure it's in Miami, but it's somewhere in Florida.
eddie bravo
Hell yeah.
joe rogan
Let's do it.
Masvidal reached out, and I said, fuck yeah, dude.
I'll go to that.
I want to see that.
eddie bravo
And like, you know, Fabrice Verdun was in there.
That guy, that guy's a legend, you know, a jujitsu legend, MMA legend.
And he, like Anderson Silva, in the beginning, you know, he was, you know, he was like middle of the road.
He wasn't, he was a jujitsu champion, didn't really have that good striking.
I think he fought in dream, maybe, maybe pride.
And he was like up and coming, big Brazilian, Amazing jujitsu, but his striking hadn't come together.
And then a lot of jujitsu black belts and a lot of jujitsu champions, they'll dip into MMA a little bit, then they realize, you know what?
My striking ain't there.
I'll just have a school and just make money with my school, and that's fine.
But some stay, and they just tough it out, and they just keep going, and they keep going.
Anderson Silva, his jiu-jitsu wasn't that good, but he kept going, and then his jiu-jitsu got good.
He triangled Cheo Sonnen.
Same thing with Fabrice Verdum.
He kept going, and then he turned into a legit striker, knocking out people with head kicks.
He just kept going.
joe rogan
How about, let's look at Anderson Silva versus Dan Henderson.
eddie bravo
Oh, shit.
joe rogan
Remember that one?
That's Anderson in his pride.
That's Anderson, top of the food chain, apex predator, perhaps the greatest 185 pounder that's ever lived.
When he was on, man, you know, and Dan Henderson just is an animal.
unidentified
Dude.
joe rogan
Throwing fucking vicious, vicious bombs.
But this was Anderson Silva when he was in The Matrix.
When he would just stand out and bow to everybody, this is a great fucking fight, man.
Because Dan Henderson was so fucking dangerous.
This is Dan in his prime.
eddie bravo
Yeah.
joe rogan
And he had that fucking ridiculous power.
Dan Henderson, like if you touch him, he's like made out of wood.
He feels like this table.
eddie bravo
Yeah.
That right hand is ridiculous.
joe rogan
And he's just such an elite fucking wrestler, too.
And so Anderson just kind of timed him up a little bit.
This is what Anderson would do.
He would spend the beginning of the round just kind of moving around, looking to see how you move, putting it all in that computer, and then towards the end of the round, Anderson would start opening up.
And once he started opening up, man, he was fucking lethal.
Because you had to close the distance on him because Anderson was a counter-striker.
So he would stand there and make you lead.
And when you lead, you're running into fucking the biggest buzzsaw that ever existed in this division.
Oh, that's right.
I forget Dan got him down.
How did he get him down?
Let's see how he got him down.
eddie bravo
Does it just cut right to it?
jamie vernon
This video is slightly edited.
joe rogan
Yeah, it just shows him taking him down.
eddie bravo
He has like a leg drag position right there.
joe rogan
Yeah, he's almost in half guard, or it's almost in side control.
eddie bravo
Anybody Dan Henderson touches with that right hand, nobody survived that shit.
joe rogan
I know.
eddie bravo
He's a wrestler with a fucking Mike Tyson right hand.
joe rogan
Do you remember his knockout of Vanderlei in the rematch?
Holy shit.
eddie bravo
The Bisping one?
joe rogan
Yeah, the Bisping one was insane.
Now this is Anderson when he's got his groove, right?
This is Anderson loose.
Boom!
Head kick.
Boom!
Oh, this is all edited up.
So he stands up.
Anderson's got the clinch.
It was a good fight.
fight.
I forgot how good this fight was.
unidentified
Scooch a little.
Scooch a little.
joe rogan
Oh, yeah.
So how did he get him down, though?
Back it up.
unidentified
Yeah, right.
Right.
eddie bravo
Right there.
joe rogan
Here it is.
That's where it happened.
It started from stand-up.
eddie bravo
Man, it's weird how they're cutting out the takedowns.
joe rogan
Yeah, I don't understand that.
eddie bravo
It's very important how the fight got to the ground.
But the fact that he's on top right here, that's fucking, like, what?
joe rogan
I know.
eddie bravo
He's on top of a world-class wrestler.
unidentified
Well, that was the thing.
joe rogan
His fucking grappling was elite, man.
At a certain point in time in his career, he really became an elite grappler.
I mean, the Minotaur brothers gave him his black belt, right?
Yeah.
Didn't they give it to him after he submitted Chael?
Or was it before that?
unidentified
I don't remember.
joe rogan
I think it was before that.
eddie bravo
I don't remember.
joe rogan
So here, he got his back.
And I think he went to the Dan Severn, right?
eddie bravo
Yes!
Yes!
Exactly!
Exactly!
Boom!
joe rogan
Yeah, look at this!
unidentified
Look at this!
joe rogan
Under the chin right there!
unidentified
Boom!
joe rogan
And that's it!
eddie bravo
Brutal!
joe rogan
Big submission.
eddie bravo
Was he already the champion at this point?
unidentified
Yeah.
eddie bravo
He was defending the title.
joe rogan
Damn.
eddie bravo
Shit.
unidentified
Bro.
eddie bravo
Dude, so much has happened.
joe rogan
Do you remember the early days where you and I would go to these events or we'd watch and go, you know what they need?
They need some billionaires with some crazy deep pockets to buy the UFC and throw a ton of money at it.
eddie bravo
Yeah.
joe rogan
And they fucking did it.
eddie bravo
Yeah, it actually happened.
joe rogan
They fucking did it.
They really did it.
eddie bravo
Yeah.
Yeah.
Generally, that's what it takes.
It takes someone with money to burn that has vision.
Okay, we're going to burn some money right now, but eventually it's going to come back to us a thousandfold.
And that's what happened.
Holy shit.
joe rogan
Especially when they knew that the product was so good.
I mean, there was no denying that the UFC was exciting.
eddie bravo
People that are just getting into MMA now, you gotta go back and go through the timeline.
It was, man, the 90s.
It blew up.
UFC 2 blew up.
No one really knew what UFC 1 was about because there was no B-roll.
I remember thinking, oh, that's some pro wrestling.
We just didn't know what it was.
And then you find out it was real.
And you're like, oh, shit.
And then the UFC 2 comes along and goes, okay, let me watch this shit.
And it's a 16-man tournament, and I was doing karate at the time, and I remember watching Hoist beat Minoki Ichihara, and it fucking crushed me.
joe rogan
I'm like, fuck!
eddie bravo
Who is this Brazilian guy?
Jesus.
But by the time he got to the finals, man, I was a big fan.
I'm like, oh shit.
You could take people, you could fight on the ground and you're not considered a pussy?
Because I would fight on the ground because I wrestled in high school and I'd just take a dude down.
joe rogan
I remember when I first met you, you would wear the fucking scuba gear on your head because you had long ass hair.
eddie bravo
Yeah.
joe rogan
She'd wear like scuba gear and you would close it off with ear guards and you would toehold everybody.
eddie bravo
I would wear a Jacques Cousteau headgear to put all my hair in, and then I would put the wrestling ear guards over it just to disguise it, just so it doesn't look like I'm a Jacques Cousteau.
joe rogan
I remember when I first met you, you were toeholding everybody.
That was your move.
eddie bravo
From Ken Shamrock.
I learned it from some instructional video of him in jeans.
He has no shirt, looking like a Chippendales dancer, jeans on, and he's doing a toehold with some Japanese guy because he was all pancrased out.
And I'm like, whoa.
He was doing it from the top.
And I was always on the bottom playing half guard.
I'm like, I wonder if I could do it from half guard.
So I started doing toeholds from half guard a lot.
Toeholds are still super powerful in the game.
In today's game, there's some guys that just got that toehold down.
They'll break your fucking foot off.
joe rogan
When Nicky Rod got Gordon in it and popped his ankle, that was nasty.
eddie bravo
Yeah, those things are nasty, man.
You just got to get really good at it.
You just got to know how to use your whole body to twist that foot off.
joe rogan
Also, that'll fuck your ankle up for a long time.
I wonder how Gordon's ankle is.
eddie bravo
Yeah, he's probably fine.
joe rogan
I'm sure he's fine.
eddie bravo
Because it just tears that, like, if it pops, it's like the outside of your foot, like right under that little ankle ball thing.
There's like this meat under there that's going to be...
unidentified
It's ripped?
eddie bravo
Yeah, and it stays sore for a couple months.
You can get surgery on it.
unidentified
You can?
eddie bravo
Ankle surgery only happens when you break bones, like the ankle bones, all the little ligaments.
There's so many little ones that you just kind of just leave it alone.
joe rogan
Do you know who Laird Hamilton is?
eddie bravo
No.
joe rogan
Laird Hamilton's a world champion surfer.
He's a wild man.
And he broke his ankle and didn't do shit about it.
Just said, fuck it.
Just walk around on a broken ankle.
And one of his ankles is like twice the size of a regular ankle.
It just became this like...
eddie bravo
Calcium deposit.
joe rogan
Not a bone.
Look at his ankle.
He showed it to me.
Look at that.
unidentified
What?
joe rogan
That's his ankle.
Yeah.
eddie bravo
I don't even get what that is, dude.
joe rogan
I don't even see what that is.
That's just broken bone that's healed up.
eddie bravo
With all that white shit on the top.
joe rogan
That's the bottom of his foot.
So he's doing this.
He's showing me like this.
eddie bravo
Oh my god.
joe rogan
Yeah.
It's freaky.
You look at it and you go, what the fuck, dude?
You didn't go to a doctor?
unidentified
Yeah.
joe rogan
He's like, nah, I just walked around.
He's an animal, dude.
That guy...
He gets in the sauna at 200 degrees, 200 plus, and he gets on an air dye machine with oven mitts on.
And he does fucking sprints in the sauna at like 200 degrees.
eddie bravo
What does he do again?
joe rogan
He's a world champion surfer.
eddie bravo
Oh, shit.
joe rogan
Big wave surfer.
unidentified
Damn!
eddie bravo
The scary shit.
joe rogan
The scary shit.
eddie bravo
The shit from like Portugal.
joe rogan
Yeah, the scary shit.
The scary shit.
He's an animal.
eddie bravo
I can't believe people survive those waves.
joe rogan
Bro, they don't always.
They don't always.
eddie bravo
How often does a surfer die?
joe rogan
All the time.
All the time?
Yeah, man.
When those things come crashing down on you, you fucking plummet to the bottom with a million pounds of water on top of you and you get knocked unconscious.
Happens all the time.
Guys get driven by the weight of the water right into the rocks.
eddie bravo
I'm not into that at all.
I'm not into sharks.
joe rogan
Did you see that fucking lady that they found in a 13-foot alligator's mouth in Florida?
eddie bravo
I saw the clip.
I didn't see the clip.
I saw the blurred out picture of it.
joe rogan
My sister sent it to me because it's down near where she lives.
They fucking found some alligator just dragging a lady.
eddie bravo
Yeah.
How about that shark in Egypt that attacked that man?
joe rogan
Oh, that one's horrible.
eddie bravo
It seems like we're seeing more shark attacks.
It seems like it's happening more often now, right?
joe rogan
People have better phones.
eddie bravo
That's probably what it is.
joe rogan
Yeah.
But that one, we haven't confirmed whether or not this is true, but what I had heard was that off the coast of this resort, Yeah.
with them and then a high concentration of sharks would happen in that area and there's a fucking resort there.
So there's this really nice resort.
People are like, oh, fucking, let's go for a swim.
You're going for a swim in monster soup.
eddie bravo
Yeah.
joe rogan
And they've been feeding those monsters.
eddie bravo
Yeah, yeah.
joe rogan
I just fucked that dude up.
eddie bravo
Yeah, I'm not, uh...
jamie vernon
There's definitely stories of that happening.
I don't know if it's the exact same area, but it might be.
joe rogan
Sheep exports linked to Egypt shark attacks.
jamie vernon
That's what?
joe rogan
From 2010. Yeah.
So, I bet, I bet that's...
Yeah, why are dead sheep washing up on Egypt shores?
That's from 2017. So 2010, and then again in 2017, yeah, probably.
jamie vernon
Yeah, it says similar to what happened in Charm Mall.
joe rogan
Yeah, it says down there, 2022, animal carcass dropped to the sea near that place.
unidentified
Wow.
jamie vernon
The travel agent noted that.
joe rogan
The travel agent.
How about they give you a heads up?
Hey, by the way, They dump a lot of bloody carcasses in that water.
eddie bravo
What are you doing?
joe rogan
There's a lot of sharks.
eddie bravo
All you need to do is see Jaws.
And that right there just scares you out the goddamn ocean.
joe rogan
Did you see The Meg?
It might be the dumbest movie of all time.
And The Meg 2 is like, hold my beer.
I watched The Meg 2 with my daughter.
They were howling, just howling and laughing.
It's so goofy.
This shark tries to find people.
eddie bravo
It works, though.
It works because I will never go deep sea diving, ever.
That's never gonna fucking happen.
joe rogan
Yeah, I'm so not into that.
eddie bravo
I ain't going into jungles, and I ain't going deep sea diving.
joe rogan
I ain't doing it.
eddie bravo
No anacondas for me, no crocodiles.
I'll go to Aspen and go snowboarding.
That's what I'm gonna do.
joe rogan
I had Paul Rosely on my podcast and he's a dude that he spends a large amount of time saving the rainforest.
Really fucking cool guy.
He goes down to the Amazon and he's like saving the rainforest from people that are cutting it down.
And what he does is these loggers are just poor, man.
You know, they're not trying to destroy the world.
They don't have options, man.
You know, they're poor.
And so what he does is he gets them hired to protect the rainforest.
So he gets the same people say, hey man, this job, what's this job paying you?
How about we give you more money and you protect the rainforest?
Thank you.
So he hires these guys to do the opposite of what they were doing.
And they've protected millions of acres of rainforests just doing this.
But this dude, he told me he jumped on an anaconda because they were trying to find out how big it is.
He couldn't get his arms around it.
He's my size.
He couldn't get his arms around it.
So he's my size.
So imagine this.
Imagine this.
A snake that wide.
He said it was at least 25 feet long.
It was slithering through the water, and he felt it slither and it's dark out, and he tried to hold on to it.
So he tried to grab a hold of it, like this.
eddie bravo
I wish I had that kind of courage.
joe rogan
I don't know if that's courage.
eddie bravo
I don't know, man.
joe rogan
That's crazy.
eddie bravo
Yeah, the jungle scared the shit out of me, man.
I like watching them on TV. I like watching Amazon River documentaries and Congo documentaries, but I will never go into another jungle in my life.
joe rogan
You know what my favorite thing is?
When jaguars kill crocodiles.
eddie bravo
That's pretty badass.
joe rogan
Crocodiles think to this shit?
eddie bravo
Yeah, they deserve it.
joe rogan
They think to this shit?
eddie bravo
They're always sneaking up on antelope.
You know what I mean?
Every now and then when a leopard fucking takes them out, it feels good.
joe rogan
Cats are number one.
Cats are number one.
They're my favorite.
eddie bravo
Oh yeah.
joe rogan
Because they're so ruthless.
This fucking cat swimming through the water eating crocodiles.
There's many videos of this happening.
People have caught them hunting crocodiles.
But this one, this fucking, this jaguar is carrying a crocodile bigger than him.
He's got it by the back of its neck and he's waddling out of the water with this fucking crocodile in his teeth.
Who would have imagined that something would hunt crocodiles?
eddie bravo
Yeah.
You'd think they'd have no predators.
joe rogan
Fucking cats in the Amazon, man.
They're so big.
Those jaguars are big, bro.
They're big and they're so ruthless.
He said he was sleeping in a hammock and a jaguar came right up to his hammock and was like breathing in the hammock.
eddie bravo
Dude, that's so good.
joe rogan
Right there.
unidentified
Right outside my hammock.
eddie bravo
Dude, you got a good-ass fucking lion, tiger.
joe rogan
Yeah, I'm fascinated by cats.
I think that's the scariest way to die.
Tigers are the scariest way.
You've seen that one where the tiger leaps up and tries to get that guy where he's on top of the elephant?
Oh, yeah.
That's classic.
eddie bravo
What are you doing with tigers?
The fuck out of here.
joe rogan
The fuck out of here, man.
Unless you have a fucking machine gun.
eddie bravo
Yeah.
joe rogan
And he's like...
You can't have a stick.
He's trying to get it off with a stick.
Get out of here!
unidentified
Yeah, fuck.
joe rogan
He just ripped his hand apart.
That guy got lucky.
eddie bravo
Dude, that's the one thing about, you know, the one good thing about living in a city is you're not gonna die by witnessing animals eat you alive.
You know what I mean?
joe rogan
Right.
eddie bravo
Every animal in the wild, one day, You're going to witness animals eating you and you're going to be alive and you're going to watch it.
And before that happens, you might have your siblings or your kids or your significant other, they're going to get eaten alive.
That's the only thing cool about living in this fucking matrix is at least we're not going to get eaten alive and witness it because that's happening for sure in the wild.
In the wild, they're going to get you.
The insects are going to get you or some kind of cat is going to get you or a bear is going to get you.
You're going to watch yourself get eaten alive.
That's terrifying, right?
joe rogan
My friend Jim Shockey, he's a professional hunter, and they hired him to go to Africa to kill these crocodiles because these people in this village were getting fucked up by crocodiles so much.
And what these people would do is they would set up these areas where it was okay for them to wash and to gather water.
So they would put like sticks in the ground.
You know, like block it off, like sticks in the water in the ground so that the crocodiles couldn't get through, but they'd still figure out a way to get through.
They knew it.
They figured it out.
And he said when he was there, everybody in the village was like, one guy's missing a foot, one guy's missing an arm, one guy's got a chunk taken out of his leg.
It's like everywhere you look, there was people with like a stump for a hand because they were washing and snap!
It just fucking gator rolls and pulls your fucking hand off and you run into the village with a bone poking out of your forearm.
eddie bravo
Yeah.
joe rogan
Bro.
eddie bravo
Fuck the wild.
unidentified
Yeah.
joe rogan
Fuck that.
Fuck that, man.
People hunt those.
eddie bravo
Yeah.
joe rogan
They hunt those.
Some girl, this girl just killed one with a fucking bow.
Like the largest crocodile that someone's ever killed, that a woman's ever killed with a bow.
It's just insane.
Here, I'll show it to you.
Go to a bowmar bowhunting on Instagram.
eddie bravo
And can you cut it right there?
I gotta pick it up.
joe rogan
Man, this is hilarious.
This is comical.
Your dick's broken, bro.
Have you been drinking?
eddie bravo
Dude, too much coffee, dude.
Coffee and...
joe rogan
Beer and coffee.
eddie bravo
Coffee and beer.
I'm gonna be pissing fucking all night.
joe rogan
I haven't had beer in forever.
It feels good.
It's hot out.
I like a cold beer when it's hot out.
A nice Lone Star.
You think Bud Light's gonna bounce back?
unidentified
I saw a lot of Bud Light commercials during football.
joe rogan
Look at this.
This girl killed this with a bow.
Look at the size of that fucking crocodile.
Good lord.
eddie bravo
Is it like an angle thing?
joe rogan
An angle thing?
eddie bravo
You know, sometimes things look bigger than they are just from- No.
joe rogan
No.
Look at the fucking tail on her shoulder.
eddie bravo
Where did she shoot?
Like, where do you gotta get this motherfucker?
joe rogan
I think she was in Tanzania.
eddie bravo
No, but like, you gotta get in the neck or something?
joe rogan
That's a good question.
I think you have to get it at the base of the brain.
Does it say?
It says quartering away about 40 yards.
Deep breath, calm down, bury my pen right where the center of his lungs should be.
Got him through the lungs.
eddie bravo
You know that albino alligators are worth a lot in the leather industry?
Did you know that?
unidentified
Really?
eddie bravo
Yeah, because then you could dye it any color because it's albino and it's white.
Oh, interesting.
The guys from Toll Hold, they get special white albino alligator to make alligator flip-flops.
joe rogan
I wonder if they breed them, if they find albinos and they try to breed them with other albinos.
That makes sense, because it's probably a recessive gene, right?
eddie bravo
And could you breed them?
Or is it just, like, something that just pops up every now and then?
joe rogan
You could, if you, like, shoved them all together.
Like, fuck, you gotta fuck somebody here.
Go ahead.
There's only, like, pale ones.
I don't think they care.
You know?
Do you think there's racist crocodiles?
I don't like whitey.
I'm not fucking that white bitch.
eddie bravo
Dude, how about those people that, like...
I just saw a video of this family taking pictures next to an alligator, and one guy's kind of holding it down, and the mother's coming.
Have you seen that?
jamie vernon
You know something bad's about to happen.
eddie bravo
Yeah, but the video, nothing bad happened.
Oh, no, no, no, no, it did snap, but you don't know what happened.
The guy who had the camera, he just dropped it, and you didn't see what happened, but it did turn around and snap.
Like, what are you doing, man?
joe rogan
Show that video where that 14 foot or 13.6 foot alligator has this woman in his mouth in Florida.
eddie bravo
That was just a couple days ago, right?
joe rogan
Yeah, man.
They just found this thing walking across the ground with a fucking lady in his mouth.
They will fucking kill you.
unidentified
Yeah.
joe rogan
And when you're in Florida, they're everywhere.
One of them killed a kid at Disney World.
eddie bravo
Yeah.
joe rogan
I was at Disney World and I go, how often do you guys get alligators here?
The guy looks at me and goes, All the time.
I go, can't you stop them?
He goes, you don't know when they're there.
They find their way into the lakes, and you don't know they're there.
eddie bravo
It's crazy that they're allowed to...
I mean, they're needed, right, to clean up the swamps and stuff in Florida?
Like, they're needed, right?
joe rogan
They're getting killed.
They're getting killed by pythons.
eddie bravo
Mm-hmm.
joe rogan
There's somewhere in the neighborhood of a...
There it is.
jamie vernon
Can you see it?
joe rogan
I think they've already taken the lady's body.
That's the lady.
Damn!
No disrespect, but that looks like the kind of lady that might get eaten by a crocodile.
Or an alligator.
Fuck, man.
Look at all the blood.
That might actually be the alligator's blood.
Who knows.
They might have shot it already.
Jesus.
They identified her.
There's one story about this dude.
He stole a car, and the cops are chasing him.
He gets to a bridge, jumps off the bridge, lands on an alligator.
eddie bravo
And that's it.
joe rogan
Drags him under.
That's a wrap, son.
And the cops are like, alright.
unidentified
Fuck.
eddie bravo
In the wild, that's what you have to deal with.
Eventually you're going to get caught.
joe rogan
Well, the thing about Florida is it's not just the wild.
Florida, it's fucking golf courses.
They have giant ones.
You ever seen those videos of giant ones walking across golf courses?
unidentified
Yep.
eddie bravo
And every now and then a kid goes missing?
joe rogan
Mm-hmm.
unidentified
All the time.
eddie bravo
Fucking scary, dude.
joe rogan
All the time.
unidentified
What the fuck?
joe rogan
Yeah, they're everywhere.
And unless you're watching them 24-7, you don't know where they're going.
eddie bravo
They're not in Southern California, I'll tell you that much.
joe rogan
No, they're not in Southern California.
eddie bravo
You have alligators out here?
Crocodiles?
joe rogan
They have alligators.
They have alligators in South Texas.
eddie bravo
Really?
unidentified
Yeah.
eddie bravo
Like in lakes and stuff?
joe rogan
Yeah, in lakes.
Yeah.
eddie bravo
You know what?
I saw a video of...
Bunch of wild boars like there was three of them and they had a bunch of babies and they're just laying there on trash So I can some kind of landfill and all these babies are just sucking on the you know the tits Yeah, and they're just like they're just trash everywhere and there's like three or four of them.
It's like a swarm Oh, there's so many of them and there's millions of them in the state millions wouldn't that Wouldn't it make sense to kill them, right?
joe rogan
They definitely do, but you can't keep up with them.
They can start breeding when they're six months old.
eddie bravo
But wouldn't it make sense to kill them for food and just have a bunch of food?
joe rogan
Oh, they definitely do that.
My friend Jesse Griffiths, he runs this amazing restaurant in Austin called Dai Due, and he runs a school.
What is it called?
The traditional school of cookery?
What is it called?
Jesse's school, he runs a school where he teaches people how to hunt pigs, how to butcher them, and how to cook them, and he's a chef.
eddie bravo
And these are all wild boars?
joe rogan
Wild boars, yeah.
eddie bravo
That seems like a pretty good business, right?
joe rogan
Great business.
And also very smart.
The new school of traditional cookery.
And Jesse I had a chance to hunt with him in December of last year, and we went to South Texas, real close to Mexico, and he was cooking for us.
So we're in camp hunting deer, and he would cook for us.
So you have this world-class chef who's cooking these amazing meals.
You know, from these animals that you kill out there.
So he's cooking like ducks and deer and it's amazing.
Amazing.
And wild pigs, wild boars.
eddie bravo
What does a wild boar taste like?
Chicken?
joe rogan
No, no, no, no.
It tastes like pork.
It tastes like really good pork.
It actually is better than regular pork.
eddie bravo
Yeah, you think that solves the problem, right?
joe rogan
Yeah.
It's a darker meat.
It's darker.
They're so invasive.
There's millions and millions of them in this state.
eddie bravo
And just in Texas?
joe rogan
No, they're all over the South.
They're all over everywhere now.
They're in California.
I've hunted them in California.
I hunted them at Tejon Ranch.
eddie bravo
Where's Tejon Ranch at?
joe rogan
It's like Bakersfield.
It's 270,000 acres.
It's the biggest private ranch in California.
I hunted there with Steve Rinella.
I shot one with a rifle.
And it was this big pig, man.
We roasted it.
It was delicious.
It had been eating acorns.
It was real fat.
It was so good.
It's like a delicious fucking meat, man.
You know, people frown upon them because they think they're nasty and stinky because they eat everything.
But if you clean them up and you cook them correctly, they're delicious.
And Jesse's a master at that.
But it's a good animal to hunt because they have to hunt them.
They have so many of them.
They're overrun.
There's fucking millions of them.
eddie bravo
And what's the number one thing they destroy?
joe rogan
Crops.
eddie bravo
Like all crops?
unidentified
Everything.
joe rogan
Everything.
eddie bravo
Doesn't matter.
joe rogan
Everything.
They go into the ground.
They fuck the ground up and just destroy the crops.
They eat everything.
eddie bravo
And fences don't keep them out?
They go right through fences?
joe rogan
They go under fences.
They go around fences.
They find their way, man.
They're fucking really resilient.
They're tough as shit.
They have like a thick coating on the outside of their chest.
Like all around here is like this thick of like this, like it's an armor plate that they have all around so they can fight with each other because they all have tusks.
And so they evolved to develop this very thick fucking armored plate all around their neck in this area.
unidentified
Huh.
joe rogan
Yeah, they're fucking gnarly animals.
eddie bravo
You know what's scary, too, is the video footage in Africa, like in landfills, and they're just filled with baboons and shit.
joe rogan
Oh, yeah.
eddie bravo
What?
joe rogan
Baboons are crazy.
unidentified
Dude.
joe rogan
That's like a dog and a monkey combination.
eddie bravo
Yeah.
Yeah.
And they actually train dogs to take care of the young.
joe rogan
Isn't that wild?
eddie bravo
How crazy is that?
joe rogan
Yeah, they train dogs.
Yeah, they have dogs in their camp to alert them to predators.
eddie bravo
Dude, this is a fucking...
Insane.
joe rogan
Insane.
eddie bravo
What the fuck?
joe rogan
Imagine being a guy that's fucking there and you gotta clean up these landfills and these fucking baboons are everywhere.
eddie bravo
Yeah, imagine if you live by that.
joe rogan
They're such a weird looking animal too.
They got that long wolf-like face and they got...
eddie bravo
You would think they would go after humans.
joe rogan
They do sometimes.
They steal babies.
There's been a bunch of instances of baboons stealing people's babies and killing them and eating them.
Snatch your baby from you and run away with it.
eddie bravo
Man, what if they snatch it and raise it?
joe rogan
Too much work to raise a baby.
eddie bravo
That's some scary shit, dude.
Living near swarms of baboons, you want to live as far away as that shit is possible.
What do they deal with on a daily basis?
I mean, because these things are coming in, and I'm sure if they're not just straight up attacking, which would be smart for them, because like coyotes and possums, they live with us.
We don't fuck with them because they don't fuck with us.
It's almost like they know.
When you see a human, just run from them.
If you stay and attack, we're gonna get exterminated.
It's almost like they know that instinctively, right?
joe rogan
Yeah, it is almost like they know it instinctively.
Well, they're very intelligent.
They're intelligent like a monkey.
eddie bravo
I got coyotes all over me.
And possums.
And those things look fucking scary.
joe rogan
Possums aren't scary, though, but they do carry diseases, like serious diseases.
eddie bravo
They look scary.
They look like giant rats.
joe rogan
Coyotes, man.
They're fucking clever.
eddie bravo
They're so clever.
They're clever enough to know not to fuck with humans, because if they did, they'll take a dog.
They'll take a little chihuahua and eat that motherfucker.
joe rogan
Oh, yeah.
eddie bravo
But if they started attacking one child, there's going to be an extermination process going on.
joe rogan
There was one recently that attacked a kid, and there's a video of it.
Really?
Yeah, this guy's like, he set his kid down like his young baby.
His kid was like two years old.
And he sets his kid down, he's taking some things out of his car, and the baby starts screaming.
A fucking coyote's dragging the baby away.
eddie bravo
Did he get the baby back?
joe rogan
Yeah, he screamed and ran after it, and the kid's crying.
It's horrible.
eddie bravo
Have you seen those videos of cats defending babies and kids?
unidentified
Yes.
eddie bravo
That's some cool shit.
unidentified
Yeah, man.
eddie bravo
That's some cool shit.
That was this one video where a baby gets out of his little crib or something and is about to fall down the stairs and a cat just fucking jumps in front of him and pushes him back.
That's some crazy shit.
joe rogan
That is crazy.
eddie bravo
That's super intelligent right there.
joe rogan
Well, yeah, that's family.
eddie bravo
And there was another video where it was like in a front yard and some dog went after a kid and a cat came out of nowhere.
joe rogan
Yeah, and fucked up the dog.
Yeah, yeah.
eddie bravo
That's some beautiful shit right there.
joe rogan
That is beautiful.
You got a pet that will help you.
eddie bravo
You would think the cats wouldn't do shit.
You know, you think that they wouldn't do shit, but probably most of them won't do shit to protect their...
joe rogan
Well, they think of that baby as, like, a part of their family.
That's like, they would do the same.
eddie bravo
Look at that.
Dude.
joe rogan
Yeah.
unidentified
What?
joe rogan
Yeah.
eddie bravo
Come on, man.
That's beautiful.
joe rogan
Yeah, it's crazy.
eddie bravo
Look at that.
unidentified
Whoa.
joe rogan
It's a cat.
eddie bravo
Just save that baby.
joe rogan
Sit down, baby.
eddie bravo
How does this...
Like, how smart is this cat?
joe rogan
They're smart.
I mean, they think of a baby as like part of their family, you know?
eddie bravo
Or they could be thinking, okay, the mother of this baby is my provider.
I gotta protect everything.
joe rogan
I don't think they think like that.
I think they think that that's like one of their family.
I think that's what they think.
I'm just guessing.
Did I ever tell you when a coyote honey-potted my dog Johnny?
unidentified
No.
joe rogan
Remember Johnny Cash?
eddie bravo
Yeah.
Wait, wait, wait.
Johnny Cash, which was after Frank.
joe rogan
The giant Mastiff?
The Mastiff.
unidentified
Oh, yes.
joe rogan
Yes.
So we had chickens, right?
And chickens, they brood.
And what a brood is, it's like sometimes chickens, when there's no rooster, they're convinced.
Like chickens lay eggs every day, pretty much.
And they don't turn into chicks because there's no rooster to fertilize the egg, right?
Rooster fucks the hen, the hen lays an egg, that egg's viable, becomes a chick.
But the chickens don't know that.
So sometimes they get it in their head that this egg is going to be a baby.
And so they pluck their own feathers out and they sit on this egg.
If you come near them, they peck at you and they're brooding.
And they won't lay an egg for a long time.
And to get them out of the brooding, what you have to do is you have to take them from their big chicken coop and then you have to put them in a small chicken coop where they have to hold onto a railing.
So they can't sit down on the ground and brood, and there's no egg in there.
So they have to sit on this railing.
If you keep them there for a few days, they snap out of it.
Then you put them back in the chicken coop.
This fucking coyote was so smart that it became friends with Johnny.
And Johnny was like this giant dog.
He was fucking huge.
He was 140 pounds, big old fucking head.
And this other chicken coop was small.
So we had the big chicken coop that was protected from coyotes and such.
And then the small chicken coop that you would put the brooders in.
And so, somehow or another, this coyote became friends with Johnny.
And the pool guy fucked up and he left the gate open.
So the gate was open to where the chicken coop was.
And the coyote convinced Johnny to destroy this little chicken coop.
And so, like, he couldn't do it.
He was too little.
The coyote's like 30 pounds, but Johnny's like a buck 40. And the coyote couldn't eat Johnny because he was huge.
But he thought this chicken was, this coyote was his friend.
And so, I'm sitting there, and we're playing some kind of game.
I forget, we're playing Monopoly or some shit.
And we're looking out the window, and I see a fucking coyote running through the backyard with a chicken in his mouth.
And he hops on top of, bro, we had like a six foot fence.
This coyote jumped to the top of that fence like an acrobat, put his paws, his two front paws, then his back paws, with the chicken in his mouth, and sprung over the fence.
I was like, motherfucker!
And we ran outside.
I'm like, how did this fucking coyote get a hold of the chicken?
How'd this happen?
And then I went over to where the chicken coop was, and there's Johnny, just sitting here with his destroyed chicken coop, looking at me like, what did I do?
And I was like, what the fuck did you do, man?
He destroyed the chicken coop.
The coyote convinced him to get into that chicken coop.
Because it couldn't do it.
So he tore the chicken coop apart.
And the coyote's like, thank you!
unidentified
Snatch!
joe rogan
See ya!
eddie bravo
Yo, that's crazy.
joe rogan
Crazy.
But then Johnny got a taste of chickens.
He decided that, oh, well, I should kill chickens, too.
And Johnny was huge.
So another time, someone else left the fucking fence open, and Johnny just went through the chicken coop, the big one, because he was so big.
He just fucking tore it apart.
And he killed nine chickens.
And by the time I got to him, like, we looked out the window.
I was like, why is Johnny in the chicken coop?
Fuck!
We ran outside and he had torn a hole in the chicken coop and just went ham.
So we had like 19 chickens left and he killed 9 of them.
And there's a few that were still alive that were fucked up.
Big old fucking puncture wounds in them and shit where he was just shaking them.
eddie bravo
And whatever happened to Johnny Cash?
joe rogan
He died.
eddie bravo
Of old age?
unidentified
Yeah.
joe rogan
It was sad.
eddie bravo
How long ago was that?
joe rogan
Quite a while ago.
He was 13. It was real sad.
eddie bravo
It was like 10 years ago?
joe rogan
It was real.
At the end, man, he couldn't even walk.
I used to have to carry him outside and then he would go to the bathroom and then I'd carry him to his food.
It was sad.
unidentified
Yeah.
joe rogan
It was so sad.
eddie bravo
That's how one of my cats got cancer, and man, you just watch him die slowly.
unidentified
Yeah.
It's crazy.
joe rogan
Do you know, a lot of dogs and cats get cancer from dog food.
Like, the kind of food, like dry kibble, not all of it, I don't want to disparage all of it, but a lot of dry kibble is just not good for them.
unidentified
Yeah.
joe rogan
Well, I switched Marshall to this frozen food.
It's raw frozen food.
And dude, it changed his health so much.
He lost body fat.
He gained energy.
He looks better.
It's like, it just makes sense.
It's like meat.
It's frozen meat and potatoes and like green beans and shit.
And he fucking loves it.
And you serve it to them frozen.
You just pour it in, you scoop it out, serve it in their bowl, and he fucking goes nuts for it.
But it's like changed his health.
And I was kind of embarrassed that I didn't do that early.
There's a couple of companies that do that.
Like there's like Farmers Dog that's really good.
There's a bunch of different companies that have real food.
It's real food.
It's like human-grade food that you serve to your dogs.
They're like, yeah, of course.
Of course.
You ever eat a piece of fucking dog kibble?
It tastes so bland and such bullshit.
It's just filler and who knows?
Not all of them.
Again, I'm sure some of them are good.
But a lot of them, it's just like, what's in there?
What the fuck is in there?
eddie bravo
Yeah.
Especially when I was growing up, we would get a gigantic bag of plain wrap dog food.
joe rogan
Generic dog food, cheap as shit.
eddie bravo
Generic, giant fucking sack, dude.
joe rogan
It keeps them alive, but they don't enjoy it.
And I started serving him elk meat.
So what I would do is I would get some of the elk that I would kill, I would get it ground up, and then I would give him a chunk of that in his food.
eddie bravo
I was going to ask you that.
I was like, give him the stuff you hunt.
joe rogan
Yeah, and I was like, this is so much better for him.
He loved it, but...
Um, this is like balanced.
Like, it's balanced.
It's like cubed beef.
Like, it's like little, I mean, look, you look at it, it's fresh.
It's fresh frozen with cubes of beef and, like, green beans and blueberries and shit.
Dude, it's changed him.
Like, he's like thin now.
He lost 10 pounds.
He was like 86 pounds.
Now he's like 75 pounds.
He looks fucking great.
He's got so much energy.
It's just like he was developing all this body fat, and it's like just processed food, man.
It's just like humans.
If you gave a human cereal every day, they're going to look like shit.
You know, it's just not good for them.
eddie bravo
Yeah, most disease, I'm sure, is caused by what we put in our mouths.
joe rogan
Yeah, a lot of it.
A lot of it is bad food and then environmental factors, right?
I was reading about this thing where dudes who cut countertops in California, There's a lot of guys who are dying from an incurable respiratory disease.
Guys who like, you know, do construction work and they're cutting countertops.
Yeah.
Apparently some of these, see if you can find that.
Some of these countertops, it's fucking, they're inhaling toxic fumes when they saw this shit.
eddie bravo
Yeah.
joe rogan
You know, and this fucking young guy had like a oxygen tank.
Here it is.
California workers who cut countertops are dying of an incurable disease.
Fuck, man.
Industrial stretch of Picoima.
Man labored over hefty slabs of speckled stone, saws whining over sounds of Spanish-language rock.
Pale dust rose around them as they worked.
Many went without masks.
Some had water spurting from their machines, but others had nothing to tamp down the powder rising in the air.
Nobody uses water, one man in a Dodger's cap said in Spanish when Maria Cabrera approached Holding flyers about silicosis, an incurable and suffocating disease that has devastated dozens of workers across the state and killed men who have barely reached middle age.
Fuck, man.
Imagine that, man.
You just got a fucking job and it's just...
Kills you.
eddie bravo
I used to work, I worked at a place for two weeks that bulletproofed cars.
And for diplomats and for like check cashing mobile vans, you know, just bulletproof it.
And basically all it is is you take apart, you put slabs of fiberglass in the doors.
You know, so the doors are just filled with sheets of fiberglass.
So you have to cut the fiberglass to fit the door.
And when you cut it, when you're like sawing it, there's all this fiberglass dust particles all over it.
Fiberglass dust everywhere.
I remember thinking, fuck this.
Even at, I was 18 or 19 when I did that.
And you had face masks and everything, like those N95s or whatever.
But I remember thinking, this fucking can't be good.
It lasted two weeks.
I had enough of that shit.
joe rogan
I did construction, and I laid fiberglass in people's basements, and then the easements, and then the attics.
eddie bravo
Did you cut fiberglass pieces and stuff?
joe rogan
I cut that shit with razor knives, you know, with, like, X-Acto knives.
You cut it, and then place it in place.
I was always itchy, and you're sweating, because it's the summertime in Boston, so it's fucking 90 degrees outside, and it's all humid, and you're in this attic.
And you're just breathing that shit.
And we didn't wear masks.
We didn't have nothing.
And I was thinking, what the fuck am I doing in here?
eddie bravo
Yeah.
joe rogan
And you were always itchy.
Like, it just would get in your pores.
And fuck, man.
Dude, growing up, you know, because my stepdad's an architect, I got a lot of jobs on construction sites.
And man, did I learn about fucking work.
Like, real work.
Like, hard work.
Like, labor work.
And that taught me that I don't want to do Oh, yeah.
eddie bravo
I went through the same thing.
joe rogan
I don't want to do that.
unidentified
No.
eddie bravo
I roofed for a week.
I'm like, no, I ain't roofing.
I don't want to sweat while I work.
joe rogan
This was why I was still fighting.
So I would do that all day, and then I would try to go to the gym at night, and I would be hitting the bag.
I was so tired.
I was stupid back then.
I didn't drink water.
I was totally dehydrated.
I was eating sub sandwiches.
It was a soda pop for lunch.
unidentified
Yeah.
joe rogan
I didn't take vitamins.
eddie bravo
Doritos.
joe rogan
Yeah.
And then I'd go and try to work out.
And I was like...
I had nothing.
And I remember thinking, oh my god, I have to quit.
I can't do this.
I have to figure out another job.
That's when I started teaching.
I was like, I have to...
And then I started...
Well, I was teaching and delivering newspapers.
I was like, I'd rather be poor.
eddie bravo
Have you gotten into...
You're fasting now, right?
joe rogan
I do intermittent fasting.
Yeah.
eddie bravo
You don't eat breakfast?
joe rogan
I very rarely eat breakfast.
eddie bravo
Yeah, me too, man.
joe rogan
I usually eat my first meal after I work out, which is usually around, like, noon in.
eddie bravo
Huge.
Working out on an empty stomach.
joe rogan
You were telling me about that.
eddie bravo
Yeah, that changed my fucking life.
joe rogan
Oh, that's right.
Yeah, you were telling me about that.
eddie bravo
It's huge, man.
joe rogan
What's changed my life is eliminating most carbs.
And this carnivore diet.
That's changed my life.
Changed everything.
eddie bravo
So you wake up, because you could have a cup of black coffee.
joe rogan
Yeah, I'll have coffee.
I drink black coffee anyway.
I don't put anything in my coffee.
eddie bravo
And you wait till what time to eat?
joe rogan
Noon-ish.
eddie bravo
Noon-ish?
joe rogan
Yeah.
eddie bravo
You ever go like four or five-ish?
joe rogan
Yes.
Yeah, sometimes I come straight here, and I don't even eat.
The thing about when you eat only meat, too, you don't really get hungry the same way.
Because you don't have that carb craving that you get, you know?
So what I do is first thing in the morning, I get in the cold water.
That's my first thing.
eddie bravo
Really?
joe rogan
Before I work out.
Sometimes I'll have a cup of coffee first, say goodbye to my kids, you know, send them off to school, kiss my wife, and go, okay, here we go.
unidentified
Yeah.
joe rogan
Here we go.
And then I fucking suffer.
Then I get in that fucking cold water for three minutes every morning.
Every fucking morning.
It's a game changer, son.
Game changer.
eddie bravo
That's a tough one, man.
That's a tough one.
joe rogan
I don't like it, but I love how I feel when I get out of there.
I get out of there, I'm like, whoa!
Ah!
And I do like a series of bodyweight exercises to warm up.
I do 100 push-ups, 100 bodyweight squats, and then I start my workout.
eddie bravo
Nice, nice.
joe rogan
Yeah.
eddie bravo
Before I started working out on an empty stomach, I would...
In between, like, whatever.
Like, if I was doing bench.
In between the sets, I'd be, like, on my phone doing emails or whatever.
You know what I mean?
I wouldn't do shit for, like, two, three minutes.
And then I'd do the next set.
And then I would see other people doing sets.
And they were doing sets in between their sets.
Like, they would just jump and start doing body weight squats and shrugs or some, like, other shit.
In between what they're doing, like...
Whoa, I could never do that.
I'm like, I didn't have that.
And I thought back then I was working out on an empty stomach because I would have like a little protein bar and a little shake and some vitamins.
I thought that was an empty stomach.
That's not an empty stomach.
Your body still is expending energy trying to deal with that shit in your stomach.
unidentified
Yeah, for sure.
eddie bravo
So if you don't...
Like if you ate a tremendous meal, pasta, bread, you just stuffed yourself, and then you try to work out, that would zap like, what, 80% of your energy?
joe rogan
You'd be wrecked.
eddie bravo
Like 80, 70%.
So, you know, a little bar and a little shake and some vitamins.
Maybe it's not 80%, but it's like 10%, 15%, and that makes a difference.
So once I started...
And you know what's crazy?
I heard it from people.
I heard it from GSP. I heard it from a football player, DK Metcalf.
All day, he doesn't eat.
Maybe he eats some candies or little Skittles just to get a sugar rush or something.
But it's one meal a day.
And then when I heard it from Mikey Musamechi, I'm like, you know what?
Let me try this shit.
Let me try this shit.
And man, my workouts, dude, I'm doing bodyweight squats.
Because I can't do weighted squats because of the metal in my back.
I can't put any weight on my shoulders.
joe rogan
Is that the case with your disc replacement?
How's that doing?
How is that?
eddie bravo
You know, when I went in there originally, six years ago, the doctor said, okay, both your L5 and L4 are fucked.
Your L5 is worse.
That one needs to be replaced right away.
joe rogan
You had no disc.
You were basically bone on bone.
eddie bravo
Not on the L5, yeah.
Yeah, but the one above it was looking like shit too.
So he said, you want to do both of them right now?
If you don't, you're going to have to come back in like five, six years and do the one above it.
joe rogan
Why didn't you do both of them?
eddie bravo
Because people were telling me, don't ever do shit that you don't need.
I was hearing that.
Because it was a game time decision.
I didn't have to make the decision until right when they laid me on the table and they said, the doctor said, so what do you want to do?
Because I had choices.
I could have went fusion because I was barely qualified for a disc replacement.
Barely.
joe rogan
It was that fucked up.
eddie bravo
Yeah, they're going, dude, because your spine has to be a certain way for disc replacement to work, so you have to qualify it for it.
So the doctor said, you can do disc replacement, but you're right on the cusp.
And he goes, we could do this.
We could do fusion, which boxes it up, the L5. We could do one fusion.
We could do two fusions.
We could do one disc.
We can do two discs.
Or we could do one fusion and one disc.
Whatever you want to do.
Or you could just do one disc.
Is he leaving it up to you?
He left it up to me.
Isn't that wild?
Yeah.
So I decided, let's go just one disc, and I'll come back five or six years.
And it's been five, six years.
So my back has been super stiff, sore.
It got really fucked up exactly a year ago.
Remember, I did your podcast last September, and dude, that whole weekend, I could barely put my shoes on.
It was really, really bad.
And then I heard about the guy that fixed Dave Grogan's back.
Is that his name?
joe rogan
David Goggins.
eddie bravo
David Goggins, that guy.
He mentions a guy that fixed his back.
And his name is Joe Hippensteel.
And one of my students works for him.
And he goes, man, we could fix...
It was a woman.
She goes, we could fix your back.
I go, I got metal in my back.
Nothing's going to fix my back.
I'm going to need surgery again.
And this is about like six months ago.
And she said, just come and talk to Joe.
I'll set up an appointment.
Talk to Joe.
He fixed Dave Groggins.
Goggins.
God, why did I say Groggins?
Goggins.
And I said, okay.
So I set up an appointment.
He's in San Diego.
I met him.
He's like a former Olympic-level decathlete.
And he figured out what's wrong with most injuries.
His whole system is...
My back, the pain I'm getting is my lower back muscles are locked.
They're actually, they're literally locked.
That's why you're stiff and you can't move and it's sore.
He goes, you have to not unlock the muscles and people don't know how to unlock them.
So his style of stretching Unlocks the muscle.
It takes about an hour and a half to do his stretching routine, but it's all on a timer.
You do a two-minute stretch here, one minute rest, don't do nothing, don't move.
Two-minute stretch, one minute rest, don't do nothing.
Because the general philosophy is you got to stretch.
To unlock a muscle, you got to do it slowly.
You can't get in there and start throwing elbows and fucking yanking and stretching.
Because that does nothing.
That just makes it worse.
You've got to do a slow stretch.
Relax.
There can't be any pain.
So there's these certain stretches for your lower back.
There's five of them just for your lower back.
There's like 27 total, but for your lower back, there's five.
And you do them, and you're on a clock.
joe rogan
Did you go to him to talk to him?
eddie bravo
I went to him, and I did it all.
I'm in the middle of it.
I'm doing it, dude.
My back feels like 80% better.
unidentified
Really?
Yes.
eddie bravo
It's all about unlocking our muscles.
joe rogan
Go to this guy's website.
eddie bravo
Joe Hippinsteel.
He flies out every week to the Cleveland Browns.
He's a Cleveland Browns physical therapist.
He shows them all these stretches.
joe rogan
I'm going to show you some shit.
eddie bravo
He works with the San Diego Padres, too.
So I'm in the process of that, of fully unlocking my muscles.
But, you know, your muscles have memory, so they always go back and they always relock.
So every day I got to do these stretches.
I'm hoping I don't have to have surgery, and it looks like I'm headed to full recovery.
It really looks like that.
joe rogan
I'm going to show you something that Goggins just sent me.
God, how do I save this?
How do I save this?
Cancel.
Hold on.
Okay.
Hold on a second.
Save.
unidentified
Here it is.
joe rogan
Okay.
unidentified
He was just here a week ago.
joe rogan
Goggins was?
jamie vernon
No, no, no.
joe rogan
Oh, Hippence was?
jamie vernon
Joe was doing an event here a week ago.
eddie bravo
Yeah, he does seminars.
He's so awesome, man.
He spent the whole afternoon with me.
Didn't even charge me.
Yeah, that's him.
He's got a way of stretching that no one else does.
It's not yoga.
Yoga is just to get your blood moving.
If you want to unlock...
Muscles.
Like he says, when you have a shoulder injury, the pain is coming from your bicep locking.
So you've got to unlock your bicep.
I'm no expert in his style, but I know a little about it.
And it's working for me, man.
It's working.
What's the name?
It's Ultimate Human Performance.
That's it.
Ultimate Human Performance.
Joe Hippenstiel in San Diego.
Man, if you're thinking about getting surgery...
You should look into this first.
joe rogan
That sounds amazing.
eddie bravo
And the crazy thing is the stretching, there's not supposed to be any pain, so there is no pain.
Everything has to be at...
When you get in a stretch, you have to get at seven.
You don't want to get eight, nine, ten pain.
Seven, and then the...
Exactly.
You do it slowly.
It's like cooking like a brisket.
You do it slowly.
You don't just nuke it.
You got to do it slowly.
So the basic...
Philosophy behind it is you stretch the muscle, and it stretches just a little bit, and then you rest for a minute, don't do nothing, you don't move.
And you lay on your back, it's called the dead zone.
And then it just, it feels, the muscles that got stretched, it fills with blood.
And then you go back two more minutes, let's stretch it a little bit more, and then you rest for one minute, don't do nothing, dead zone.
And then it fills with blood a little bit more, and a little, it's a slow...
joe rogan
And it's an hour and a half every day?
eddie bravo
Slow, about an hour and a half.
joe rogan
So you do it every day?
eddie bravo
I try to.
If I'm on the road, it's tough, but you can just do it on your bed.
It's so easy.
It's super easy.
Just do it on my bed.
joe rogan
So Goggins, in his spare time, he fire jumps.
So this is a dude that's wealthy.
Goggins has a lot of money.
eddie bravo
How did he make his money?
joe rogan
He sold a book.
His book, Can't Hurt Me, sold a shit.
Give me some volume.
So, give me some volume.
Why isn't it playing?
Why doesn't it have a name behind?
Hmm.
Anyway, so he fire jumps into this area and look at these grizzly bear tracks.
So what he does is he fire jumps for the challenge.
He doesn't fire jump for money.
Like most of these guys are fire jumping.
They pay you to do it, so you do it.
He does it just because it's fucking hard to do.
And so he sends me this video of these fucking giant bear tracks.
He's a size 12 foot.
Look, he's putting it right next to his bear track.
So he sends me this video.
And I go, oh my god.
I go, don't get eaten, brother.
And he goes, fuck it.
Here it is.
Okay.
unidentified
So we'll probably have an overnight partner here.
See these grizzly bear prints, man?
Look at these motherfuckers, dude.
They're as big as my foot.
They're fucking huge.
This is a massive fucking grizzly bear.
Massive fucking grizzly bear.
Look at this shit, even how wide it is.
This is fucking a massive ass grizzly bear.
And as you see, he walks right through there, through those woods.
So, we are in big time grizzly bear territory.
joe rogan
So I sent him a text message.
I said, don't get eaten, brother.
He goes, fuck it.
Stay hard, brother.
unidentified
If you see me fighting a bear, help the bear.
Look what he sends me.
eddie bravo
Hilarious.
joe rogan
And then he writes Goggins with like 10 exclamation points.
eddie bravo
That's crazy.
Hey, dude, I gotta catch a flight.
joe rogan
Let's let it go.
eddie bravo
Let's wrap it up.
Within three hours?
unidentified
Yeah.
Okay, cool.
joe rogan
We did enough.
eddie bravo
Thank you.
joe rogan
I love you to death, brother.
eddie bravo
I love you too, man.
I'm on Rockfin.
That's where I get all conspiratorial.
Rockfin.com slash Eddie Bravo.
joe rogan
Instagram.
eddie bravo
Eddie Bravo 10P. Combat Jiu-Jitsu on UFC Fight Pass.
joe rogan
Don't miss it.
Combat Jiu-Jitsu is amazing.
Alright, we're done.
unidentified
Thank you.
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