Bill Maher and Joe Rogan clash over woke ideology’s divergence from traditional liberalism, exposing how elite colleges—like Harvard and Yale—still teach Marxist figures despite their racist, authoritarian legacies while suppressing dissent. Maher slams MSNBC’s narrative control, citing Ed Schultz’s firing for "reasonableness," while Rogan highlights COVID-era misinformation, like Rachel Maddow’s vaccine claims, and questions suppressed treatments like ivermectin amid pharmaceutical monopolies. They debate whether systemic failures (e.g., Minneapolis crime surge post-defunding) or chemical depression drive societal issues, concluding that unchecked media bias and profit motives often stifle real solutions. [Automatically generated summary]
I love it, especially since I've been thrown out of work by the strike.
It's what I have left, plus the touring.
Touring is a couple of weekends a month.
Podcasting doesn't take that much time either.
I don't do it every day like you, but it's nice to have an outlet.
It's also nice to be able to talk to people.
In a non-political way.
I mean, my show is for, let's say, people who know things.
My HBO show.
You know, you just can't really enjoy that show or watch it if you're clueless.
It's like I'm speaking in Chinese.
And that's okay.
That's a lot of the people in this country That would describe.
They're not involved in politics or what goes on in the world or don't ask them what the ACLU is or NATO. These things are just not on their radar.
And that certainly also describes a lot of celebrities.
You know, their intelligence is artistic intelligence, generally, I would say.
You know, it's a different kind of intelligence.
Not worse or better, it's just different.
So, to be able to talk to a lot of people on Club Random in a setting where I can just be high as a kite and constantly blowing pot smoke in their face, first of all, it's just a joy.
It's a sign of the progress.
That this country has made.
To think that I used to sweat bullets going through every airport in this country because I had this much little pot that I was hiding under my balls.
That's really where I hid it.
So that if the dog sniffed it, you know, they'd be embarrassed, I hoped, to look there.
And now I can freely...
Smoked pot in a nationally aired program is kind of amazing.
You also you can kind of let them breathe a little because sometimes you really want to let someone talk for a long time to try to before you try to interject and pick apart their conversation their argument you really want I don't know what you're really thinking I don't want to be confused again that's kind of what you pioneered yeah and we're grateful for it and I do like that I also find It's interesting.
I think the idea behind it – I think I understand their idea.
The idea is that the society is imbalanced.
And so in order to address that imbalance, you're going to prop up as many minorities as possible, make as many opportunities for minorities as possible, and get it to a position where there are like white people are minority.
And so that's not a concern anymore.
And that through that somehow or another, you'll achieve equality.
I think the way to achieve equality is your way.
I think the colorblind way is the way to really truly achieve equality and to truly judge people just on their merits.
But also recognize that if we don't address the problems in this country as far as like how disenfranchised some people are and how horrible some communities are that people grow up in, And people find themselves stuck in with no recourse, no way out, no role models, no nothing, no financial opportunities.
That's what our real problem is in this country more than it is race.
It's extreme poverty, extreme poverty and extreme crime and that these things don't get addressed over and over and over again.
A lot of the policies that you see coming from places like San Francisco and Portland, they just exacerbate it.
You're just seeing stores close because, like, okay, you can't just steal.
You can't just have everybody just walk into Walmart and steal.
I was watching a video where they were showing a Walgreens and they had everything chained up.
And we weren't interested in legalizing shoplifting, or I guess we should call it justice shopping.
But, you know, in Minnesota, for example, I think it was Minneapolis, And after the George Floyd murder and the riots, I think there was a movement to disband a lot of the police and they did.
I think a lot of the police were let go or somehow the police force was a lesser force than it was.
And what happened was, of course, crime went up in certain areas.
And a lot of the officers who had been fired or let go or quit or for whatever reason, they weren't on the force anymore.
They were hired as private security.
By who?
The rich people.
Who could afford to do it?
So their neighborhood stayed safe.
So that wasn't exactly, I thought, a victory for liberalism.
And refunded it by far more than they defunded it.
Because they just course corrected.
They went, okay, this is not working.
We have to do something to fix it.
Which makes me very happy.
Because I was really shocked that they wanted to do that.
Because there's a lot of crime.
And where my club is on 6th Street, that's a wild place.
6th Street gets wild.
And there's a lot of crime there.
And there's a good police presence there.
And we have a lot of police at the club.
club we hire off-duty cops to work the club and a lot of security we want to make it as safe as possible but this the streets in the city like you know from pandemic on it's just it's not good you know it's it's sketchy and I'm glad they recognized it and did something well there's so many places just aren't course correcting Chicago Yeah.
I mean, not just the places where, I mean, murders have been happening way out of control in Chicago among the African-American community for far too long and not really reported in the way that they should be.
It's amazing how black lives don't seem to matter when they're taken by black lives.
But, I mean, now Chicago My friends who live there say it's not safe anywhere.
Well, I mean, I think a lot of the murders that happen are over nonsense.
You know, somebody dissed you on social media or made fun of your sneakers or some shit.
I mean, some of it is drug turf and that kind of stuff.
Yeah.
But I think some of it is just bullshit.
And I don't understand why there isn't a more concerted effort to shine a spotlight on that.
And where are the leaders of the community?
The people who would have such cachet among those young African-American men, because that's who's killing each other, young African-American men, to say, cut it out.
What the fuck are you doing killing each other?
If there was a...
A concerted effort by people in the music industry, people in sports, who they look up to.
I'm not the guy to figure out what needs to be done, but something needs to be done.
It should have been done a long time ago.
I don't know what that answer is, but no answer is not the answer.
And continuing the same policies that got in the same problems and just Defunding the police officers and making things far worse and then not course correcting.
I mean, they are the easiest people to target because, of course, they have to kowtow to what the voters want, and the voters are completely contradictory.
So I do have some sympathy for politicians.
Because if you ask the voters what they want, they will basically say they want every sort of goody that the government can provide on an Arizona tax base.
They want a Swedish social net on an Arizona tax base.
No, I moved here because they were locking down the city and it didn't seem safe and it seemed very sketchy and I just didn't agree with what they were doing.
The more I talked to doctors that were experts in respiratory diseases, the more they were convinced there was no way to stop a respiratory disease.
They're like, this isn't going to do anything.
In fact, it's probably going to damage people's immune systems because they're not going to be around other people.
No, I was always making this case on real time and, you know, people thought I was crazy and I'm sure they think you're crazy, but they're crazy and they don't know anything.
If you talk to virologists and epidemiologists that aren't captured, that don't have to deal with whatever Fauci and the NIH tells them what to say, and if you talk to those people, they're like, well, first of all, you should be telling people they have to lose weight.
I think something like 75% of the people who were hospitalized or died, yes, were obese.
But of course, in this country, we're so through the looking glass on the obesity issue that even mentioning it is some sort of a hate crime.
I mean, it is so Orwellian.
And this is, again, a topic I've covered many times.
And there is nothing that garners me more hate than this.
No issue.
No issue.
You're just not allowed to talk about this.
And it's preposterous because, first of all, if this is truly a life and death issue, we can't talk about the one thing that more than anything else is causing the death.
I mean, when I was first masturbating, it was the era of Twiggy.
You know, the first waif model.
And thin was in.
Yeah.
To me, like the pie wagons of the 50s, like Marilyn Monroe, those hippie girls, like the ones on Mad Men, you know, the big redhead on Mad Men, that was like, ugh, that's my father's era.
That's, ugh, I couldn't raise an erection with a Derek looking at those girls.
I liked the, and I kept that my whole life.
You know, I liked that.
I liked tight and, you know, what they called hard bodies in the 80s.
That's not in style anymore.
It's Kardashian, Jennifer Lopez made the big ass, trendy, and that's what they like now.
But even Weight Watchers is out of style because now we've given up on the idea that That obesity is something that can be contained by exercise and diet.
I have friends that are on that stuff and one friend who just got off of it because he was having some serious gastrointestinal issues that are apparently one of the side effects.
There's no free lunch.
If you're taking an injection that makes you less hungry, something's going on.
And you're also losing a lot of connective tissue, bone mass, and muscle mass.
My good friend Peter Atiyah did a study on his patients.
He's a doctor, did a study on patients that took Ozempic, and one of the things they found is they lost weight.
But they gained fat.
They actually had a higher percentage of body fat because they were primarily losing muscle tissue and connective tissue.
They were losing so much of that that even though they lost like 20 pounds, they actually went from like 15% body fat to maybe 20% body fat or whatever the number was.
But what I find the most alarming is the way in just a matter of a few years, the group think That this is a disease now that cannot be controlled by what for 50, 100, a million years before this, it was the scientific consensus that of course you can control it with diet and exercise.
Just in a couple of years, that went out the window.
And you cannot read, you cannot find an article on the front page or in the op-ed page of the New York Times in the last couple of years that has any other belief than this one, that it is a disease, it is not within a person's control.
So they're all in on a Zempick or whatever else because we certainly can't leave this to people themselves to control it.
That's a giant sea change and the way they sheep-like just go right...
In a row.
No dissent.
Not one person standing up in the paper of record to say, wait a second, this can't really be the case.
I mean, 50 years ago, we looked like a completely different people.
And the idea of calling it a disease, it's interesting because we kind of agree alcoholism is a disease, but it is similar because you are addicted to food.
Like, people are absolutely addicted to food, especially high fructose corn syrup products and things where there's, like, you're getting that big sugar rush and the insulin spikes.
I mean, all these food companies have labs where they go in and they test how much fat and sugar and salt we can put in this thing to make it as addictive as possible.
You know, they don't want you to just eat one.
Right.
They want you to have the whole bag and then start another bag.
Yeah.
But again, look, I always have the most sympathy for the obese when I'm high because I get the munchies, as most of us do, not in the first hour.
Like, it goes to my head first, which is great.
And then it goes to my stomach.
And then it goes to my dick.
But, yeah, when it goes to my stomach, I get it.
I get it more than I do normally because I am just ravenous to eat.
But that's why I don't keep shit in the house.
So that when I do get ravenous for food, there's nothing there.
And the thing is, when I'm high, I'm rather satisfied with food that isn't the most delicious food in the world.
Because I'm high.
Everything tastes good.
And I'm just looking to...
I'm just looking to eat.
So if I'm going to eat, like, Baruca nuts or something, they're not bad for me.
It's not like the government was telling everybody to get vaccinated.
They weren't telling anybody to lose weight.
They weren't telling anybody to take vitamin D. It's the problem of media and industries and even the government itself being captured.
By special interests, and it's a big problem.
They don't want people losing weight.
They don't want people getting healthier.
It's not good for business.
So there's no push to do it.
The push is always in what is going to make us the most money, which is why you're seeing this push for these diabetes drugs that people are taking to lose weight.
You know, it's like, there's a lot of money in that.
There's a lot of money in, what is it called, Wagavie and Ozempic, whatever these ones are called.
And look, if that's the only way you can lose weight, and you lose weight, and that's what starts you along the way, I kind of feel like that, the same way I feel about SSRIs.
I've had friends that have had disastrous situations come up because of SSRIs.
And I've had other people that got from being suicidal to getting their life in order and then slowly getting off of them and then saying it was overall a good thing for them.
Like, I know what it feels like to be doing something I don't want to do.
Some people call that work, and we're lucky we like our work mostly, but there are things I don't want to do that I do, and I know what it feels like to be doing things I do want to do.
When I was on this drug, it was like neither.
Like, I didn't feel anything.
It made me feel very sympathetic to the people who suffer from chemical imbalances in the brain.
And mostly it is chemical imbalances.
I know I think it was Mike Wallace who suffered for a long time from this and also maybe it was Dick Cavett, somebody like that who said, you know, I was in therapy for years and years and years and then they gave me this drug and I was all better.
And it was never anything that they were going to fix in therapy.
It was just the chemical.
They just poured something in the test tube and suddenly it was all good.
And I was worried, am I going to be a failure in life?
Here I am trying to be a comedian.
Okay, that's a risky proposition.
Not many people make it.
I was embarrassed to even tell people, you know, what do you do?
Oh, I'm trying to be a comedian.
Okay, that's funny.
And I lived in a shitbox.
And I didn't have any girlfriends and I had no money.
I was depressed for a very good reason.
No respect.
I had nothing that makes people happy.
When I got more of those things, I got happier.
That's normal.
That's different than the person who has lots of great things.
You read about this all the time among the show business community.
People, I'm sure, all the time say, why is this guy depressed?
He must be on top of the world.
No, he had to quit the tour because of mental health issues.
He was depressed!
People are lining up to see him in fucking arenas, and he's depressed, and it's, yeah, because that doesn't solve the problem when it's a chemical problem.
Yeah, and I think also for some people, they worship this idea of success as being the thing that's going to get them out of it, that that's going to make them happy, and then they get success, and then they get accustomed to that success, and they're still not happy, and then they get really depressed, like, oh my god, I'm at the top, and it sucks.
And I always wonder, like, what is their life like?
What are their friends like?
What's their family like?
What do they do for activities?
What are they eating?
Are they sleeping well?
You know, are they doing anything to mitigate it, to put themselves on a path?
You know, that gives them some sort of a feeling of accomplishment in life, a feeling of like, and I don't mean accomplishment in terms of like material possessions, but like you're doing something.
But, I mean, back in 1980. Yeah, and yes, you could name them all.
Or, like I always like to point out to people when they get into these discussions about the strike and show business and what kind of business this is and is it different than other businesses, yes, if you look at the credits of any movie, especially ones that are a few years old, 10 years old, 20 years old, 30 years old, Look at the credits as they go by at the end of the movie.
Outside of the two or three stars of the movie, you'll see a list of 20 or 30 people who were in that movie.
All of them thought they were going to be stars.
They all had parts.
Not the biggest parts in the movies, but parts.
And you look at that list and you do not recognize one of those names.
They all wanted to be something that this movie that they were in was going to take them to the next level, and it did not.
I have had multiple people on this podcast that do not believe that gay is just something you're born with.
They believe that it's a choice.
I've had conversations with people that Where you're like, have you met Richard Simmons?
Like, are you crazy?
You think that's a fucking choice?
Like, the idea that...
I had one guy who...
He compared it to murder.
Like, you might want to kill someone, but you don't do it because it's a sin.
I was like, but imagine if you were just, like, rabidly attracted to women, and culturally things were reversed, and for some reason, like, women caused reproduction, and you don't want more people because we're overpopulated, and gay is the only morally right way to pursue sexual activity.
Okay, now offensive amongst Native Americans, a person who identifies with any of a variety of gender identities which are not exclusively those of their biological sex.
Yeah, but gender identities which are not exclusively, how many of them are there?
But what I was saying was it's odd to me that they grouped them together because in a fundamental way, trans and gay are almost exact opposites because gay is all about I was born this way.
But I'm so glad you're doing that because there's no one else on late night television that's ever going to fucking do that other than you.
But it's terrifying that they're calling it gender-affirming care when it's really childhood mutilation before you have the ability to figure out what permanent means.
You're fucking seven years old.
You can't get your face tattooed.
You can't go to war.
You can't get married.
There's reasons for all that stuff.
You're too young.
And this idea that you should be able to make life-changing choices like hormone blockers Which are, A, not reversible, no matter what the fuck they say.
They say it's reversible.
No, the changes happen to your body during puberty, and if you stop those changes, that change, you can't reverse that.
You're going to have a micropenis.
You're taking estrogen while your body's developing.
You're blocking your testosterone.
If you're doing all that stuff, it's going to have an effect on your body.
Now, if you're happy with that effect and you don't care, okay.
But how many people aren't?
And how many people are young?
And how many detransitioners are there?
Who have horrible stories.
And you're a monster and a bigot if you even bring that up, which is fucking insane.
Now, as with all of these things, if this country wasn't so ridiculously polarized, we could come up with some reasonable view on it, which is, is trans a real thing?
Of course.
Are some people born in a body that For lack of a better term, you're born in the wrong body or your sexuality doesn't match what's in your mind gender-wise.
It does happen.
And some of it is trendy.
Some of it is just a TikTok challenge that got out of hand.
But even if I was – now, this is just me, but I'm allowed my opinion.
If I was 100 billion percent convinced I was born in the wrong body, I still wouldn't do anything to my body because medical – Considerations come first.
The idea that you can just take some sort of puberty blockers or just snap on, snap off organs without really hurting myself medically and taking years off my life is ridiculous.
And so I would somehow make it work with the equipment I was born with because we're just not that advanced medically to make it work and still be healthy.
It could, if you want to talk about in terms of an election, but you talk about in terms of the guy who's in office right now, like, why don't I like him?
Well, one of the things that I don't like has nothing to do with any of his choices is that he's mentally compromised.
The crowd at my inauguration was the biggest ever and I'm gonna make an issue of this for the first two weeks of my presidency despite photographic evidence to the contrary or I'm going to steal these documents that I don't even know what they are and I don't care and I'm gonna put them next to the toilet at Mar-a-Lago and then I'm gonna fight you to take them back or not conceding the election those things are crazy or thinking I can somehow charm Kim Jong-un in Korea,
although that might be stupid.
Sometimes it crosses the line between both.
But he's both stupid and crazy, and he's a criminal.
You know, he's not being charged in these trials because he's a liar.
They purposely didn't do that.
Apparently it's okay.
It's not illegal.
To lie to the American people.
And of course he did lie and continues to lie.
He still hasn't conceded the election, which he plainly lost.
He's charged with actual crimes.
Criminal intent to obscure...
I forget what the actual name of the law is, but criminal intent to basically steal the election or to coerce people in the states from...
I forget what it is.
And then there's one forgery, which has to do with the electors scheme, criminal intent for...
It's why foreign leaders were able to curry favor with him.
All they had to do was kiss his ass and they got whatever they wanted.
Do I really think that he wants to help Russia and Putin?
I think Putin had him as soon as he said, Trump is a brilliant man.
Good.
You got me.
It doesn't take that much.
He's a dangerous guy.
The idea that he could be president again, as opposed to Joe Biden, again, Joe Biden, not my first choice, not my hundredth choice, but the other guy is a crazy, stupid criminal.
Have you ever seen that Russian defector, Yuri Bezmenov?
He detailed the Soviet Union's plan for the moral decay of the United States by introducing Marxist and Leninism into school.
Marxist and Leninist ideas.
And that these would be ingrained in younger people and then they would go into the workforce and then they would slowly but surely ruin The society through this.
Former KGB Asian named Yuri Alexandrovich Bezmanov claimed in 1984 that Russia had a long-term goal of ideologically subverting the US. He described the process as a great brainwashing that is four basic stages.
The first stage, he said, is called demoralization, which would take about 20 years to achieve.
It's really fascinating.
When you hear him talk, it's fascinating because that's exactly what they did.
He used the example of the 1960s hippies coming to the positions of power in the 1980s in government and businesses in America.
Besminov claimed this generation was already contaminated by Marxist-Leninist values.
Of course, this claim that many baby boomers are somehow espousing KGB-tainted ideas is hard to believe, but Besmanov's larger point addressed why people who have been gradually demoralized are unable to understand that this has happened to them.
Referring to such people, Besmanov said, they are programmed to think and react to certain stimuli in a certain pattern.
You cannot change their mind, even if you expose them to authentic information.
If you prove that white is black and black is black, you still cannot change the basic perception and logic of behavior.
Demoralization is a process that is irreversible.
Besminov actually thought, back in 1984, that the process of demoralizing America was already completed.
It would take another generation and another couple of decades – here we are – to get the people to think differently and return to their patriotic American values, claimed the agent.
In what is perhaps the most striking passage in the interview, Besbinov described the state of a demoralized person.
As I mentioned before, exposure to true information does not matter anymore.
A person who is demoralized is unable to assess true information.
The facts tell nothing to him.
Even if I shower him with information, with authentic proof, with documents, with pictures, even if I take him by force to the Soviet Union and show him a concentration camp, he will refuse to believe it until he has a kick in his fan bottom.
When a military boot crashes his balls, then he will understand.
But not before that.
That's the tragedy of the situation of demoralization.
And sadly, because colleges turn out nothing but America-hating...
We're hysterics these days, ignorant, just ahistorical students who are not taught any of the things I used to be taught up in school, partly because we had the sin of learning what white people did.
I mean, I'm sorry, but John Stuart Mill was white.
He had some good ideas.
But, you know, Shakespeare, you know, it's okay to, you know, you can be anti-racist and still study some great white people.
But, you know, some of that is just outre on college campuses these days.
I just can't understand how the institutions of higher learning wouldn't understand the value of rigorous discourse, the value of even having conservative speakers come in where you could debate with them.
When I was a kid, when I was 14 years old, Barney Frank had a debate with a guy from one of those, like, hard right America, I forget what it was called, I forget what organization he was in, but it was, you know, some sort of tea party type thing.
And it was fascinating because they allowed these two people to speak and, you know, the America First guy or whatever he was, whatever the company, whatever the group he was a part of, spoke.
And, you know, you got a great sense of walking out of there, oh, his ideas make more sense.
His ideas were better.
And that is discouraged.
Now you don't want to platform people with the wrong ideas.
Which is just like, there's only one way to find out if they're the wrong ideas.
You test them.
You test them against better ideas.
And everybody learns that way.
And when, you know, when I was a kid, People understood that.
It was before the age of echo chambers and social media.
People believed in freedom of speech and rigorous discourse.
They believed in debates.
I mean, those famous debates that were on television between Gore Vidal and William F. Buckley.
I mean, those to this day are fascinating debates.
They're really interesting.
And the fact that those aired on television, they got an enormous audience back then.
It's a shame that today anybody who has differing opinions than you, you shun and you never platform them.
And the problem is it just makes them more convinced they're being silenced and it makes their supporters – like every time they arrest Trump, he gets more supporters.
More people are more interested in it.
They think, oh, they're suppressing.
People are suppressing.
And that's what the danger is with all this stuff.
And I remember the first time I had George Will on, and the first thing I said to him was, you know, reading you all these years has kept my liberalism honest.
Because he's such a brilliant writer and thinker, and he's so precise, and he's a master of the telling detail.
And I don't think he ever wrote a column that didn't make me think.
You know, and sometimes change my mind.
Like, because the way he puts it down, it's like, how can you argue with that?
I didn't know that.
And I didn't see it in that perspective.
Maybe I don't agree with everything.
But at least it made me examine.
And people, thing is today, people don't even want to do that.
Well, not just a monopoly, but the Emergency Use Authorization Act.
In order to utilize the Emergency Use Authorization, they had to have no other remedies.
There was no other effective treatment.
And so any effective treatment, specifically one that was I mean, at the time, COVID, or ivermectin rather, had been around long enough that it was generic.
I find it so curious that liberals were always, you know, so skeptical about corporate America, including the pharmaceutical industry.
But this thing came along.
And suddenly, and it wasn't as if we didn't just have a giant example, the Sackler family of Purdue Pharmaceuticals, right?
Makers of OxyContin and other fine poisons.
Okay.
I mean, they were fined, what was it?
Eight?
Billion dollars, I think, for selling their hillbilly heroin to people, knowing that they were hooking people, and they wound up killing hundreds of thousands of people.
So, it's not that we don't know that they're capable of this shit.
So, to throw your lot at, and then for the media to be basically the...
The trumpet of government on this issue.
So we didn't have a watchdog on government and what they were telling us.
We just had somebody who amplified what they said.
They've never had a chemotherapy that said that you have to stay on.
And this was the first one they did, and everybody who took it died.
Including people that were asymptomatic before they got on it, like Arthur Ashe.
It's spooky shit, man.
Because if it is true, if he is accurate and he's not getting sued for it, it's fucking terrifying that they're willing to do that, to make that kind of money.