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July 4, 2023 - The Joe Rogan Experience
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Joe Rogan Experience #2005 - Tom Segura
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joe rogan
Yee-haw.
unidentified
What's up, Tommy?
tom segura
What's up, my man?
joe rogan
How are you, my brother?
What's crackhead?
tom segura
I'm super stoked, man.
Thanks for having me.
joe rogan
Looking good.
Looking lean.
You fucking stuck with it, man.
You fucking stuck with it.
tom segura
Tried to.
Yeah, I've been working hard at it, actually.
joe rogan
It's crazy.
I mean, you've been so consistent.
It's amazing.
tom segura
Isn't it weird how that works?
That's what I've said to a few people, and they're like, yeah, that's what happened.
I mean, I don't know.
I think I had this, I don't know if I told you, this mentality before where I would go, if I got to a number on the scale, I thought of it as like a finish line.
I didn't realize I was doing it, but I was.
I was going, oh, I got there.
joe rogan
Right.
tom segura
And then you just kind of go, well, if you're done, you're done.
And then you just kind of regress.
So I just realized now that it's just, it is every day.
joe rogan
It is life.
unidentified
It's life.
tom segura
It's part of life, yeah.
joe rogan
Yeah, if you can think about it that way...
Also, you've got to think about delayed gratitude.
Delayed gratitude is a very important concept if you want to have a happy life.
You can't just have gratitude in front of your face all the time.
You'll just be a mess.
You want delayed gratitude, specifically for your physical health, because you don't feel good in the end of the day.
When I don't work out, if I have a day that I blow it off, which is rare, but it does happen.
If I blow it off, at the end of the day I feel like a loser.
I know that's stupid.
I know it's stupid, but it's that feeling inside of you that you didn't get ahead.
It's one thing if it's like I need a rest day.
Rest days, I love them.
Let me watch TV. I watch a movie.
tom segura
Sure.
And you've got to listen to your body on that, for sure.
joe rogan
And also your mind.
I think your mind needs rest days.
I enjoy a rest day now.
Really, I fucking...
If you don't do the things you know you're supposed to do, you have that fucking nagging thing in your head.
That thing in your head, that nagging thing, that's hours and hours and hours and hours and hours of your day.
tom segura
Yeah.
joe rogan
Whereas the workout, you could just get 20 minutes in and that feeling's gone.
tom segura
Totally.
joe rogan
Just get 20 minutes in.
tom segura
There's the I feel like a loser thing, but there's also this even another layer to it where on days when I don't do anything physical and it's towards the end of the day, I kind of go like, what's wrong with me?
And Christina might be like, what's going on with you?
And then sometimes it takes me a moment and I'll be like, I didn't work out today.
joe rogan
Yep.
That's what it is.
tom segura
Oh, I go, yeah, so I have, like, this...
joe rogan
Mental health.
tom segura
Yeah, it's fucking with my head.
I also have this, like, the anxiety has manifested itself physically, so I just have this, like, oh, I didn't exert myself.
So it's all together, and I go, that's what it is.
So I go, tomorrow morning, I just gotta get it in right away.
joe rogan
Yeah, it's just one of those things, like brushing your teeth.
You gotta fucking do it.
You don't want to do it.
You do it, then you feel better afterwards.
Like...
In little bursts of that, that's how I feel every time I get in that stupid cold plunge.
Every time I want to do it, every time I do it, I don't want to do it.
tom segura
It always sucks.
joe rogan
It sucks.
It never feels good.
tom segura
We had this thing where we were doing, we had to bank episodes of our podcasts.
So that means we were going into the studio at like, I don't know, 9 or 10, and then just spending the day there, right?
And I knew that when I got home, I'd be wiped.
And we got, you know, we'll be with the kids, and we got to do dinner and get them ready for it.
So I was like...
I'm just going to get up.
And so every day I just got up a little earlier.
Cold plunge first.
So it's like that was my morning cough.
It's the first thing I did.
joe rogan
Wakes you right the fuck up.
tom segura
Right the fuck up.
And then right to the gym.
And so that I would arrive at the studio in the best mood.
unidentified
Yeah!
tom segura
Just like really in a great mood.
unidentified
Yeah!
tom segura
And then I would zip through the day, and I mean, even they were like, wow, you're like, nice.
You know, like the staff.
joe rogan
Dude, it's like, if you could take that in a pill form, it would be the most popular pill in the world.
tom segura
100%.
No question.
Yeah.
unidentified
Yeah.
joe rogan
And we're not talking about, like, being a bodybuilder.
We're not talking about killing yourself.
Just getting your heart pumping, getting your sweat going, get those muscles moving, exert yourself.
I can get a fucking pretty good workout in 20 minutes.
tom segura
You can definitely get your heart going.
joe rogan
Yeah.
If I'm fucking super pressed for time.
tom segura
You know what's crazy is when I work out right after cold plunging, sometimes you're like, wait, how come I'm not sweating?
And you don't realize that your core temperature has dropped like 17 degrees.
And you're like, oh.
unidentified
Yeah.
joe rogan
You're at 34 degrees for three minutes.
Yeah.
What the fuck?
Duh.
I work out outside after I do that.
tom segura
Oh, nice.
joe rogan
So I do the series of 100 bodyweight squats and 100 pushups every morning.
And the way I do it is I do it as my warmup now.
It's a good warmup to do right after you get out of the cold plunge.
So by the time I'm done with those, I'm warmed up.
tom segura
Wow.
joe rogan
Yeah.
But it's nice to do outside.
tom segura
Yeah, that is cool.
It's one of the only times that I really don't mind heat, like real heat, is during workouts.
joe rogan
Yeah.
tom segura
I like working out in heat.
joe rogan
It's good for you.
tom segura
I do not like a cold gym.
unidentified
No.
tom segura
When the air conditioning's blasting in a gym, I don't like that.
joe rogan
No, I don't like that either.
You know Kronk Gym, where Tommy Hearns used to train?
They always kept the temperature up very high.
tom segura
They did?
joe rogan
Yeah, they kept it like 95 degrees.
Yeah, in Detroit.
And the reason, well, Manuel Stewart was a genius, boxing genius, but also a genius physically.
He knew.
It's just like working out in a sauna.
Like, the sauna actually gives you cardiovascular benefit just sitting there because your heart's beating faster because it's trying to, your body's trying to cool you off.
tom segura
Right.
joe rogan
You're hot as fuck.
You know, I've had the heart strap on in the sauna and it got up to 147 degrees.
Excuse me, 147 beats per minute.
tom segura
Just sitting there.
joe rogan
Yeah, just sitting there.
tom segura
Yeah, your body's like, what's happening?
joe rogan
Especially because you do it after a workout.
tom segura
Yeah.
joe rogan
So I'm already fucking exhausted.
And then I get in that oven for 20 minutes.
And at the end of that 20 minutes, my heart is jacked.
So you're getting static cardio just sitting there.
tom segura
Just sitting there.
joe rogan
So if you're doing a boxing workout and it's 95 degrees, your heart is jacked.
tom segura
Yeah.
joe rogan
You're getting really worked out.
That's hard.
That's like running with weights on.
tom segura
Yeah, and then imagine that feeling right after that.
Like when you're done.
joe rogan
Yeah.
tom segura
The relief.
joe rogan
Like a hot yoga class.
Remember when we were doing hot yoga?
How many did we do?
15 in a month?
tom segura
We did 15. Yeah.
joe rogan
That was nice, dude.
That was nice.
tom segura
Yeah.
Something about leaving those.
I went to one here in Austin.
joe rogan
Yeah?
tom segura
Yeah.
I went to a hot yoga class, and it was like, you just walk outside, and you're like, this isn't any different.
This is the exact same temperature.
joe rogan
Yeah, it's just yoga with no AC on it.
tom segura
God, yeah.
But you do feel this.
And then the way that a cold drink tastes right after that, it's unreal.
joe rogan
Yeah, just water.
tom segura
Yeah, just water.
joe rogan
Just the cold water.
So good.
It just feels so good.
Do you take electrolytes?
tom segura
I do, every day.
I travel with the packets and everything.
joe rogan
Which ones are you taking?
tom segura
I have Liquid IV. I take those pouches with me everywhere.
joe rogan
I take those too.
tom segura
And I also take them...
I have a big one before bed.
I fill up a big canteen.
joe rogan
Do you have to get up to piss in the middle of the night?
tom segura
Yes.
That's annoying.
It's annoying.
Not too much.
I don't do it right before bed, but I have an evening one.
Because I remembered, even from high school football in Florida...
That they would go, if you're cramping, it's too late.
It's not going to help you then.
It's all about the prep for it.
So that day before you exert yourself, electrolyte boost is what's going to help you more.
So I always try to do it at night, too.
joe rogan
That makes sense.
Just keeping a steady state in your body.
Yeah, it should be something that you take every day.
tom segura
But the big thing, dude, I never hated...
I wasn't one of those people who was like, I hate the gym or I hate working out.
It really is being consistent with food, too.
That's a big thing.
I didn't realize how much I... Well, I knew I was eating poorly a lot.
I just had no sense of...
Portion control.
joe rogan
What turned it around?
Was it those contests?
Was it the weight loss contest?
tom segura
I guess it's a little bit of everything.
I think actually getting severely injured and just being like, first of all, I think hearing people being like, oh, you're really going to fall apart now.
Now that you've been injured, you're going to be a mess.
You're going to gain like 100 pounds.
People would say that.
joe rogan
Who said that to you, Bert?
unidentified
It's actually his wife.
joe rogan
His wife said it to you?
unidentified
Yeah, yeah.
joe rogan
Jesus Christ.
tom segura
But she was just in the moment saying it.
But no, she wasn't the only one.
joe rogan
You're going to gain 100 pounds.
tom segura
She was like, you're going to get real fat, Tom.
joe rogan
You're going to be fatter than my husband.
We're going to make fun of you.
tom segura
I was like, that's impossible.
But it wasn't even just that.
It was other people, too.
Other people would be like, I mean, I would see it.
When I open up Twitter or something, they're like, this dude's about to be a fucking whale.
Wow.
Yeah, because they saw you like, Well, you're laying in a bed.
So I think that kind of started it.
And then what happened was my PT, we were doing all the rehab stuff, and she was the one who was like, are people telling you you're going to get way out of shape?
She goes, yeah.
She goes, you know it's going to be the opposite, right?
And I was like, what?
She goes, you're going to be in the best shape of your life.
And I was like, why?
She's like, because you're going to be so focused on rehab.
And you're going to feel better doing it, and you're just going to want to get, like she was the one who, Dr. Karen Joubert.
joe rogan
So we have to break Bert's arm.
tom segura
We have to break multiple limbs.
We got to fucking, we should hit him with a bus.
joe rogan
You know what, do you remember the moment of reflection after this last Sober October, we were all out there, we were all going to go do a show, and I said, come do the show with us.
And Bert was like, I can't go out.
If I go out, I'm going to drink, and I don't want to drink.
I'm really going to get my shit together now.
unidentified
Do you remember that?
tom segura
No, I don't actually.
Where were we here?
joe rogan
You might not have been there.
You might not have been why he was saying it.
We were right out in front.
tom segura
Oh, because I left a few minutes before, remember?
joe rogan
Oh, that's right.
tom segura
I was like, I gotta go put the kids down.
joe rogan
Yeah, I was trying to get him to come to the show with us.
And he didn't want to do it.
tom segura
Yeah.
joe rogan
You know?
tom segura
He just likes the party.
joe rogan
Hey, the party's great, but I think he partied during October when we had Sober October, and I still think he had a great fucking time.
I saw his shows.
Looks like he was killing it.
unidentified
Yeah.
joe rogan
You know what I mean?
It doesn't make it more of a party to get fucked up every night.
It's just unsustainable.
That's what I worry about.
When we first did the Sober October thing, that was part of the discussion.
We were all like, hey, Bert drinks too much.
And I smoke too much weed.
Let's try to work this out.
Turns out smoking too much weed is way better for you.
tom segura
I think it is.
He's on a bender right now, too, on this tour he's on.
joe rogan
I'm sure.
tom segura
Jesus Christ.
joe rogan
He looks like a moon pie.
A moon pie with a beard.
tom segura
He's so swollen.
joe rogan
He's so swollen.
tom segura
Shit, this reminds me of that Joey Diaz line where I go, you've seen Birdie, he goes, I thought he was a Chinese guy.
joe rogan
He's having a good time, though.
I'm very happy for him, too.
I'm happy for the movie and these arenas.
tom segura
That festival is a huge success.
unidentified
It's incredible.
joe rogan
Watching him do these shows in these arenas and seeing these crowds, I'm like, wow.
It's pretty wild.
tom segura
It's pretty wild, dude.
It is pretty wild.
joe rogan
And you go back to him taking that chance and leaving the Travel Channel.
tom segura
Yeah, it was a big risk on his part, actually.
Because that's the equivalent of...
Because we all knew comics like this.
And it's just the reality of what it is.
When you start working as a comedian, you have your circle of friends.
There's a number of them who, as you start to do road gigs, and these are low-paying.
You're not a ticket seller.
You're just doing these gigs.
And you're like, are you going to do some of these gigs?
And they're like, nah, I have this job.
And the job provides the consistency and the comfort.
It's reliable.
They're like, I'll get my paycheck.
And then what happens is, They're making more money than you.
Because you're doing the bullshit comic.
But then your comedy starts to get better.
Because you're doing stand-up all the time.
And then you get more opportunities.
And then they go, hey, I want to do that.
But five years have gone by.
And you're like, yeah, but you've been in this day job.
And then all of a sudden you're getting opportunities to do TV specials.
joe rogan
They want you to just grab their hand.
tom segura
Yeah, yeah.
joe rogan
Take them with you on the road.
tom segura
What happened?
You're like, well, you didn't take the leap.
And Bert kind of had that comfort of that TV show.
It's a good check.
It's not a bullshit check.
It's a good living.
It's on TV. But when he decided, no, no, I got to go make a full leap, that's a leap.
That's a leap.
And then it paid off, obviously, tremendously.
joe rogan
Yeah, you know the story.
I called him up when he was on a motorcycle in Vietnam.
tom segura
Yeah.
joe rogan
And I was like, you gotta quit that job.
tom segura
Yeah.
Yeah.
joe rogan
But I was right.
I was like, you can't just...
First of all, it's just not healthy for you or your family for you to be gone three, four months at a time.
tom segura
No, no.
joe rogan
It's crazy.
And I know you're working and you gotta do what you gotta do.
But it can't...
It's not good for you.
tom segura
No.
joe rogan
And also, you're just...
You're not reaching your potential as a stand-up.
You're a hilarious guy.
tom segura
Yeah.
joe rogan
You're great on podcasts.
tom segura
Totally.
joe rogan
That's where you should be focusing your energy.
But back when he first got on that show, podcasts were bullshit.
Like when he first told the machine story on my podcast, who the fuck is watching it?
tom segura
No one's watching it.
No, yeah.
joe rogan
Podcasts were bullshit.
So it was like me saying, go do a podcast.
Like, what the fuck?
tom segura
Yeah.
joe rogan
I have kids.
tom segura
I know.
joe rogan
What are you talking about?
This isn't a job.
I can't quit a TV job.
tom segura
Yeah, it sounds insane.
joe rogan
Yeah.
tom segura
Because I started to do bigger shows and selling out clubs back then, too.
And he was like, how is this happening?
I was like, I'm doing stand-up all the time.
I do this podcast every week.
I just got a special out.
All of it combined together.
And I was like, you can do this, too.
And he was like, oh, I don't know.
And then I remember him telling me, he's like, I did it.
I quit.
I'm not doing the Travel Channel.
joe rogan
Amazing.
tom segura
I'm going to go all in.
joe rogan
Well, it worked out, luckily.
tom segura
Yeah.
unidentified
Jesus Christ.
tom segura
Well, I could go the other way, too.
joe rogan
Yeah.
But that thing about guys who don't take the leap, I bet that's in every walk of life where people just don't...
But whatever it is, you're not all in.
But if you're...
That's the fucking haunting thing about the comedy world.
If you're not all in and someone else is...
I remember when I was on Fear Factor.
So I was...
You know, doing stand-up when I could, but goddammit, I was working a lot.
I was working a lot.
It was a lot of hours.
And I remember I'd go to the store and I'd run into someone who was a full-time comic and they're on the road.
Yeah, I just did West Palm.
I was there Thursday, Friday, Saturday.
I was like, oh.
tom segura
Yeah.
joe rogan
That sounds so much better.
Sounds like so much more fun.
tom segura
Yeah.
joe rogan
Talent jokes.
unidentified
Yeah.
joe rogan
To me, it was like doing stand-up seemed so much better.
It just seemed like a better life.
Like, that's what I'm...
It's more interesting.
tom segura
You also have to have a...
Like, when I look back at the choices I made early on in stand-up, you know, you actually are in a bit of denial about...
joe rogan
How bad you are?
tom segura
Well, not just how bad you are, how bad your life is.
Like, I mean, I'm not living in a...
Like, all my friends with regular jobs have a much better quality of life.
But here's the thing, it didn't even bother me, really.
joe rogan
Yeah, because you wanted it so bad.
tom segura
Yeah, I just wanted it so bad.
I'm saying you have a bit of...
You have a delusion almost, right?
Like, people see where you live, and they're like, how much money are you making?
joe rogan
But you're used to it.
tom segura
You're so used to it, yeah.
joe rogan
As long as you're used to it, it's fine.
Now, one thing would be, like, say if you had some white-collar job and you're making...
Six figures a year and then you decided to go to stand-up and then you were living in the place like you were living in when I met you.
Then it would suck a fat dick.
tom segura
Yeah.
joe rogan
Because you'd be like, fuck, now I'm falling apart.
It's very difficult for people to downsize with the intention of upsizing eventually.
tom segura
It's almost impossible.
joe rogan
It's hard.
But you would be so much happier if you could kind of get by doing what you like to do.
And then you could eventually make more money doing that.
But the more money thing, the most important thing is, are you doing what you want to do?
Because we don't have much time.
We just don't.
I'm 55. I'll be 56 in a month.
That's 56. That's old as shit.
When I was a kid, I thought 56-year-old people were archaic wrecks that could barely stand up.
You're in the doctor's office every couple of weeks.
Something's falling apart.
tom segura
Yeah, but look at you, man.
You're happy.
You're thriving.
joe rogan
Luckily.
tom segura
Luckily.
joe rogan
I got lucky.
I hit the science and knowledge and, you know, fitness world and vitamin supplementation, hormone supplementation.
All of it came right when I got old.
Right.
I just rode the wave.
tom segura
That's true.
Some of this stuff is just like the luck of timing, right?
joe rogan
A hundred percent.
unidentified
Yeah.
joe rogan
A hundred percent.
tom segura
Well, also, our lives...
I think about this all the time.
If we were exactly the same guys...
We are now, but we're at this age in, like, 1999. We're fucked.
It's just a totally different life.
joe rogan
Yeah, totally different life.
tom segura
Yeah.
joe rogan
Different life, first of all.
No phones?
Well, 99, you had phones.
But, I mean, imagine 1919. You're fucked.
unidentified
Oh.
joe rogan
You're fucked.
Life is terrible.
tom segura
Yeah, yeah.
joe rogan
Life's shit.
unidentified
Yeah.
joe rogan
I mean, we got, as much as people complain about today, we got it fucking super easy.
unidentified
Oh, yeah.
joe rogan
It's very nice.
tom segura
Well, if it was 1919, first of all, when I broke my arm, they'd just be like, we're just going to cut your arm.
joe rogan
We'd just saw it off, bite this leather strap.
tom segura
Yeah, that's what happened back then, too.
You broke things and they'd be like, well, you're just a cripple.
joe rogan
Yeah, you're a cripple now forever.
tom segura
We'll give you this cane and this wheelbarrow.
You can just lean on this wheelbarrow and kind of wheel that into town.
joe rogan
When do they start setting bones?
tom segura
Ah, fuck it.
joe rogan
What year was that?
When they stopped hacking people's arms off?
tom segura
I don't know, dude.
It's not that long ago, for sure.
joe rogan
Have you ever seen that video of the guy who's playing the banjo and his arm is broken and he never got it fixed?
So his arm is, like, floating around.
It's so crazy, dude.
Like, he's got the detachment between the two bones.
This guy.
Look at this.
unidentified
I still work.
tom segura
That is ridiculous.
unidentified
But you know what insane that is?
joe rogan
Look at this.
unidentified
Wow.
That's amazing, dude.
tom segura
Well, that's one word for it.
joe rogan
Imagine how weak that guy is in arm wrestling.
I bet you could fuck him up.
I mean, can he even open a jar of mayonnaise?
What can he do with that arm?
tom segura
It's really incredible.
You know what I think is kind of interesting?
I had a double whammy, right?
When I got injured, I tore my patellar tendon.
joe rogan
Right.
tom segura
At the same time.
Patellar tendon tear is not like MCL, ACL. That leg is completely useless.
Like there's no hinge anymore.
joe rogan
Right.
tom segura
So your knee doesn't, it just hangs.
joe rogan
Right.
tom segura
Right.
So you have to reattach the tendon.
And for that to heal and be able to use it again, it takes, just for it to heal takes about two months.
Then your muscle has atrophied completely, like your quad is completely atrophied.
So then you have to learn how to walk and learn how to do steps again.
It's a complete, complete debilitating type of injury.
They're both at the same time, so when I got injured, All the people in the hospital, doctors, PTs, they all looked at my arm and they're like, that's not going to be a problem, right?
And you think about it, you're like, yeah, you see people in casts all the time.
They're like, you'll be fine with that.
That leg, that's going to be your problem.
And it ended up being the opposite.
joe rogan
Really?
Oh, that's right, because of the nerve damage.
tom segura
I still have problems.
joe rogan
Yeah?
tom segura
I still have nerve issues.
Yeah.
joe rogan
How bad is it now?
tom segura
Well, you know one interesting thing?
Remember we did Sober October?
unidentified
Mm-hmm.
tom segura
You remember I showed you me doing push-ups with my shirt off?
joe rogan
Mm-hmm.
tom segura
So my left rhomboid wasn't even firing.
So what happens is when you have a muscle, a nerve sends a signal to your muscle.
If there's nerve trouble going to that muscle, the muscle just doesn't fire.
So when I was doing push-ups, because that wasn't firing, you have other muscles that compensate.
That's the way your body works, right?
So if you're going like this and that rhomboid doesn't fire, then your lat starts to pick up for it.
unidentified
Oh.
tom segura
And it's doing it unbeknownst to your mind.
It's just doing it on its own.
It took me like six months to recover from the 100 pushups a day.
unidentified
Wow.
tom segura
Because I wasn't able to use the full strength of my body to do a normal pushup.
joe rogan
Is it firing now?
tom segura
It's firing now because I actually have been like treating, I went to this place called Wired and they put these like...
joe rogan
Oh yeah, neuromuscular stimulation.
unidentified
Yeah.
joe rogan
Yeah, that's really good.
tom segura
That helped a lot.
joe rogan
Electrical rather, electrical muscular stimulation.
That EMS stuff is really good for injury recovery.
tom segura
That has helped me quite a bit.
But I still, the thing that I have is like this great, like weird, I don't know how to even describe it, arm pain.
If I was to jam you like this, it sends an incredibly painful signal through my arm.
Especially the bicep tendon.
Things like that.
So I'm just always trying new things.
I do different things in the gym.
I do treatments like that.
I'm going to get another nerve analysis done where they send these signals through your arm.
joe rogan
Have you done any hyperbaric chamber stuff?
tom segura
No.
joe rogan
You should do that.
tom segura
Yeah, I've heard that.
joe rogan
That's supposed to be very good with people with nerve issues.
tom segura
I'm going to try it.
joe rogan
You know, it's double the atmosphere.
tom segura
Yeah.
You're just sitting there, right?
joe rogan
You can just read a book.
tom segura
Yeah.
joe rogan
Yeah.
tom segura
I'll try that.
joe rogan
It's very relaxing.
It's no big deal.
tom segura
But it's funny, though, because you think, oh, broken arm, just throw a cast on that thing and you'll be done.
joe rogan
No.
tom segura
And it's been, yeah, it's been a couple of years.
It's not completely healed.
joe rogan
That's crazy.
Yeah, injuries, the one good thing about injuries is when you do get over them, if you can remember.
Because when you're injured, you're like, God damn it, why wasn't I appreciating being healthy?
Same way I feel when I'm sick.
tom segura
Exactly.
joe rogan
Yeah.
tom segura
Well, you said, you know, you asked me about, like, turning points.
The other big one was that, you know, about...
A little over a year ago, I realized that I was just regressing again.
And that was actually the big turning point for me.
It was that I had kind of recovered for the most part from the injuries.
And I was like, okay, I'm like healthy again.
And I felt myself regressing again.
I went to shoot this thing and I was like, I just saw myself.
I was like, oh, I'm going backwards again.
It bothered me.
joe rogan
Is it food?
tom segura
I think it was food, yeah.
But I kind of was like, oh, I can't go back again.
joe rogan
Dude, that carnivore diet kills all that.
You just can't overeat.
You don't overeat.
It's wild.
tom segura
Are you doing that right now?
joe rogan
Yeah.
It's wild.
I know when to stop eating.
If I am eating, say, a steak and mashed potatoes and french fries and other stuff and bread, bread and butter, I'll just keep eating the mashed potatoes.
Even after I'm done eating steak, I'll keep eating fries.
I'll have another piece of bread.
And all that stuff is just empty calories.
Yeah, it's carbohydrates.
It's not empty.
But it's just...
It's unnecessary.
You're eating more than your body's gonna burn off.
It's just for me, it's gluttony.
tom segura
What's a normal day for your eating?
What's breakfast?
joe rogan
Today was Neil Guy steaks and bacon.
So I cooked a couple of these small Neil Guy steaks.
Neil Guy is an antelope that I shot in Texas.
So I fried that.
I fried bacon first and then I cooked the Neil Guy in bacon fat.
Because you need fat.
Neil Guy's a very lean animal, and if you're in a fat-burning state, which is the one I'm in right now, you have to have some sort of fats.
So I like avocado oil.
I like some of that Primal Kitchen mayonnaise that's made with avocado oil.
I'm not like avoiding vegetables per se, but I'm 100% I'm avoiding bread and pasta and all that other bullshit.
I'll have a piece of asparagus every now and then, but I'm not like thinking about vegetables.
I take a shit ton of vitamins.
tom segura
You eat fruit too?
joe rogan
Yeah, I eat fruit when I want to.
But most of my meals are steak and eggs.
Most of my meals.
Most of my meals are steak, eggs, steak, bacon.
That's most of my meals.
And I feel fucking great.
What's wild is joint pain.
I've had a left knee that's been fucked with me forever, and I don't feel anything now.
It's been two months on this diet, two plus months now, and it just accelerated the healing.
tom segura
You feel way better.
joe rogan
I think when you're eating a lot of shit, your body is in a state of inflammation.
I think most people are in There's a scale of how much inflammation your body's carrying.
And you don't think about inflammation because it's just how you are.
And you're not eating anything crazy.
I had spaghetti for dinner and I had a Subway sandwich for lunch.
I'm not eating McDonald's.
And you think you're not eating inflammation-causing foods, but you are.
And you don't realize it until you cut those out of your diet.
tom segura
So much sugar.
joe rogan
I think it's sugar, but I also think there's a lot going on with wheat.
I think with the complex glutens and there could possibly be Something with glyphosate.
What's glyphosate?
Glyphosate is Roundup.
That's that chemical that they spray on weeds that they found something like 94% of people have it in their blood.
And the pesticide apologist will say, oh, it's just a small number.
It's hardly anything.
It's fucking poison.
It's 100% cancer-causing poison and 94% of the people have it in their body.
And by the way, if they're measuring it, And you're getting an average of what these people have in it.
Well, what's the high end?
There's got to be some zeros, too, right?
There's got to be people who all need organic, and they don't have any in them.
So what's the high end?
Like, how bad off are those people?
How about people that work on a farm?
Like, what's their...
tom segura
And they're just breathing that in all day?
joe rogan
What's their fucking blood work look like?
tom segura
Yeah.
joe rogan
Like, what...
You know, there's a better way to do it and they don't want to do it the better way because it's more expensive and it's difficult, you know, like to do a regenerative farm.
But if you do it this way with Roundup and they use it everywhere, there's like...
This stuff is fucking sketchy.
tom segura
Yeah, I've never really spent time thinking much about how wheat affects me personally.
You know what I mean?
The one that I do think about a lot is sugar.
And also because I'm somebody who I have to just deny myself.
Because I get into a pattern.
joe rogan
Right, right, right.
I know what you mean.
tom segura
If I give myself like, and also it's like there's this thing where you realize that you can really kind of fall into peer pressure kind of situations.
joe rogan
Oh, for sure, yeah.
tom segura
You know, you're just like, you're hanging out and you're like, try one of these.
And you go like, okay.
And you like it, whatever, some pastry or something.
And then you see it tomorrow and you're like, that was good yesterday.
joe rogan
I'm going to get it today.
tom segura
And then I get into a pattern where I have to deny myself.
joe rogan
You get excited about that mouth pleasure.
tom segura
I do.
joe rogan
You know what I used to get for?
Chocolate croissants.
tom segura
Buddy, I used to be with you.
Do you know where we used to get them?
joe rogan
Buddy.
tom segura
At the fucking Terminal 5 Delta.
When they had that place, I remember I would get off the plane with you, and it was coming back to LA. It was on the way back.
And we would arrive in the morning, and you're like, these are fucking good.
And I was like, mm-hmm.
And then you're like, it's just one.
I can do this.
And I was like, yeah, me too.
I would think that we're the same.
So I'd shove one down my throat.
And I was like, Joe's right.
These are good.
And then I'd go home and go to a fucking bakery and be like, can I get a dozen chocolate croissants?
I mean, yeah, dude.
I fucking...
That might be my favorite treat of all.
joe rogan
Chocolate croissant's pretty damn good.
The buttery ones with the mushy chocolate inside.
tom segura
I was just in Paris.
joe rogan
Paris.
A Paris.
tom segura
Je n'ai parlé pas français.
But I was...
I always talk about...
I mean, I do have an affection for croissants.
I really do.
joe rogan
They're awesome.
tom segura
And I was like, we're in Paris.
I was talking about...
I was like, oh, I gotta sample some croissants in Paris.
My fucking tour manager went out one morning, comes back, and he goes, I got something for you.
I go, what?
He goes, I went and picked up the best croissants in Paris.
unidentified
Wow.
tom segura
And he gave me like a...
A sampling of these croissants.
joe rogan
How good were they?
tom segura
They were unbelievable.
joe rogan
They looked pretty damn good.
tom segura
Yeah, they were so unbelievable.
joe rogan
What could you write?
You know how to say them?
unidentified
Well, I stammered for it.
tom segura
I think they told me that in Paris, they say chocolatine for a chocolate croissant.
unidentified
They don't say, we don't say a croissant de chocolat, we say chocolatine.
joe rogan
I said, okay.
Chocolatine.
tom segura
Yeah, but we were definitely tearing them up in Paris.
joe rogan
France is falling apart right now.
Isn't that wild?
tom segura
Is it?
joe rogan
Do you see what's going on?
tom segura
I mean, when I was there, there was...
unidentified
The riots?
tom segura
Oh, when I was there, there was big riots.
unidentified
Big ones.
joe rogan
Have you seen the riots from the police kill the guy?
tom segura
No.
When I was there, it was about the retirement age.
joe rogan
Oh, this is way worse.
This is way, way worse.
This is the last few days.
tom segura
What is the issue?
joe rogan
Somebody got murdered.
There's been fucking gunfire in the streets, lighting businesses on fire for like five days.
It's been like the purge.
Some of the videos are insane.
tom segura
It is...
joe rogan
French teen shot by police officer pleads with rioters to stop the violence.
So something happened.
I don't know the details of the story, but the police shot some guy.
tom segura
During a riot?
joe rogan
No.
tom segura
Oh.
joe rogan
I think they shot him in a...
Was it a traffic stop?
jamie vernon
No.
tom segura
Oh.
joe rogan
Tensions erupt in Paris suburb after a 17-year-old delivery driver is killed in a police standoff.
I don't know what happened.
He was shot and killed by a police officer Tuesday in a Paris suburb.
According to the family's lawyer, the death unleashed.
Tensions between angry residents setting barricades on fire and police firing tear gas.
Police officer was detained on suspicion of manslaughter, according to the prosecutor's office in the Paris suburb of Nanterre?
tom segura
Nanterre.
joe rogan
Nanterre.
It said the shooting took place during a traffic check.
The victim was wounded by a gunshot and died at the scene.
The prosecutor's office said in a statement a passenger in the car was briefly detained and released.
The police are searching for another passenger who fled.
So, what was it that happened?
Do we know what happened?
Okay.
The lawyer cited a video reported to be of the incident circulating online that shows two police officers leaning into the driver's side window of a yellow car before the vehicle pulls away and one officer fires towards the driver.
The car is later seen crashed into a post nearby.
So they tried to take off and he shot them.
tom segura
So is this what prompted these riots, though?
unidentified
Yes.
joe rogan
Okay.
tom segura
Isn't that crazy, though, that description of what happened in the traffic stop seems so routine here?
Like, there's an endless series of videos that you can watch of something similar to that.
joe rogan
Yes.
tom segura
It always feels like it's very U.S. Yeah.
Like, we always have...
Incidents in traffic stops.
joe rogan
Sure.
tom segura
Which are, you know, I'm not saying blame is always one way or the other.
It's, you know, sometimes it's the person in the car, sometimes it's that.
But that just seems like a really routine thing here.
joe rogan
You know what people have to think about with cops?
I know it's very hard to do if you're not a cop, but I want you to try.
You know that feeling that you get when you're driving on the highway?
There's a reason why people get road rage.
Road rage, rather.
There's a reason why they get road rage, too.
tom segura
Yeah, there is.
joe rogan
There's a reason why they get road rage.
And the reason why they get road rage is when you're on the road and you're driving, you're in a heightened state because your car is going 60 miles an hour.
So you're ready at any time to hit the brakes, to change lanes.
So you're in this heightened state.
And then when someone does something, like, you fucking idiot!
Jesus Christ!
tom segura
Yeah.
joe rogan
Where you would never do that.
Like, it took me a while to realize this.
I forget where I read it.
And then when I read it, I was like, duh!
Because I was always like, how come nobody treats people like that when they're walking?
tom segura
Yeah.
joe rogan
No one ever does that.
You're protected by this.
If someone gets in front of you when you're walking, oh, the guy got in front of me.
It's not an issue at all.
But in the car, you're like, fucking asshole!
tom segura
Fucking piece of shit!
joe rogan
Fucking cut in front of me!
tom segura
Yeah.
joe rogan
That's what it is.
Because you're at a heightened state.
Now, imagine being a cop.
And every time you pull someone over, we've all seen those videos of cops getting shot.
We've all seen those videos of cops pulling people over and then the windows explode and people fire on them.
We've all seen those.
They've seen them too.
They know people who've been shot.
They have no idea who you are.
They have no idea what's going on.
Come up to that car, they are at a heightened state.
They have to be.
They are literally, to a criminal, they're the professional enemy.
Their job is to be the enemy of the criminal.
It's a fucking crazy position to be in, in society.
And we don't treat it with enough respect.
And when it goes badly, All we think about is that officer, that's a representative of all police officers.
It's not true.
tom segura
It's true.
I think a lot of people, too, it's kind of hard.
A lot of people, they go into getting pulled over with a heightened sense of emotion themselves.
joe rogan
Sure.
tom segura
Which, if you are that person getting pulled over for whatever you got pulled over for...
If that's your mentality in that moment, you are actually going to escalate things.
You are, as the person getting older.
joe rogan
100%.
tom segura
And it does take an effort to go, okay, this guy, like you said, he's walking up here in a heightened state.
joe rogan
Yeah.
tom segura
Like, I can diffuse things.
I can diffuse them.
joe rogan
Yes.
tom segura
By how I conduct this.
joe rogan
Yes.
tom segura
But some people, you know, first you have the people that are, like, the legal scholars who want to lecture the police officer on his rights.
Like, yeah, you can do that, man.
Or there's the, I have friends even.
I have friends who are like, I hate cops.
Cops are all pigs.
You know, like, and I've watched them...
Speak to police officers in a way where I'm like, Jesus Christ, man.
Like, it's so disrespectful.
joe rogan
So stupid.
tom segura
I go, yeah.
I go, but you are making this worse.
joe rogan
Right.
That's a human being.
unidentified
Yeah, yeah.
joe rogan
You gotta fucking chill a little bit.
You don't know them.
tom segura
Yeah, you don't have to get on your knees.
joe rogan
Right.
tom segura
But, you know, just like, he's doing his thing.
Just like, let's try to smooth this thing out.
Let's not try to make it worse.
joe rogan
Just trying to make it better.
tom segura
Yeah, exactly.
joe rogan
If I ever have an interaction with a cop, it's always, how you doing, sir?
tom segura
Yeah.
joe rogan
What's happening, brother?
Everything good?
tom segura
Yeah.
joe rogan
I want it smooth and easy.
tom segura
Completely, yeah.
joe rogan
Yeah, and just that whole...
But I fucking...
Those kind of generalizations, all cops are pigs, like...
Fuck off.
tom segura
No, it's not good.
unidentified
Fuck off.
joe rogan
I don't like those generalizations with anything.
Women are stupid.
Fuck off.
It's just annoying.
tom segura
No, you're like, most women are stupid.
But if you go into this...
joe rogan
Anything.
tom segura
Yeah, like that.
joe rogan
Any interaction with the fucking retail worker, a fucking auto mechanic, anything.
Any interaction.
tom segura
And sometimes, I think if this comes with age...
Sometimes you do meet a real piece of shit.
It can be a police officer.
It can be the mechanic.
It can be...
joe rogan
Car salesman.
tom segura
Oh, fuck.
The car salesman.
Flight attendant.
joe rogan
Yeah.
tom segura
And I used to take...
I used to...
I would say I'd call it take the bait more, right?
Feel the rage.
Become...
Escalate things.
joe rogan
Yeah?
tom segura
Well, yeah.
I'd be like...
I mean, I've said some regrettable things to people.
But I mean, I think with age now, one of the things that happens is you go, I think this person sucks, internally.
And I go, I'm just...
I had a flight where...
I've been on, I don't know, a million flights, right?
And it was early morning cross-country flight.
And the flight attendant, I was like, she was like, you want breakfast?
I was like, well, I'm going to zonk out here so maybe when I wake up in a little while.
And she goes, no.
She goes, it's breakfast now.
joe rogan
Whoa.
tom segura
And I looked at her and I was like...
I was just processing.
I was like, that's...
It was super rude.
joe rogan
When did that change?
Pandemic?
Did they just fire a bunch of people that had been there for a long time and hire a bunch of new people and pay them less?
tom segura
I have a real trigger, too, for disrespect or even perceived disrespect.
I then become...
I almost got arrested at an airport one time for this.
I ended up calling the TSA agent a pig.
Again, that was a few years ago.
But this was like, I looked at her and I was like, and in my mind, I could have said like escalated things.
And I just thought, I go, you know what?
I don't know why she's an asshole.
I don't know what's going on.
I just went, yeah, I think I'm just going to sleep.
I go, I'm just going to sleep.
She's like, okay.
I just walked away.
And she was clearly rude.
And I'd never been spoken.
Most flight attendants, when you go, I'm just going to sleep, they're like, yeah, I'll check on you later, see if you want to eat then.
We'll keep it warm for you.
She was so rude, but I just was like...
Why make this a thing?
I was just like, I'm just going to sleep.
joe rogan
It might be hard to find people to do that now.
tom segura
Yeah.
joe rogan
You know?
tom segura
Yeah.
The biggest issue in commercial air travel right now is staffing.
joe rogan
Really?
tom segura
It's still staffing.
joe rogan
Really?
tom segura
Absolutely.
It's still staffing.
It's why you're finding an incredible number of delays.
It's not just staffing for airlines.
It's also staffing at air traffic control.
So all that is together.
If you fly commercially, you'll notice that, I mean, it is a miracle to board and take off and land on time.
Almost everything is delayed.
It is delayed.
You have a lot of times everything is functioning well, then you get there.
I can't tell you how many flights are just like, well, everything's ready to go.
And they're like, yeah, the crew's not here.
Crew's here.
This crew has to swap out.
They've maxed out their hours.
Now we're waiting for a new crew.
Over and over.
And then it happens at air traffic control, where they are not fully staffed yet either.
So this just is a huge delay thing.
I mean, commercial travel just needs to be revamped.
joe rogan
Well, Pete Buttigieg is doing a great job.
tom segura
Yeah, sure.
They're doing great.
joe rogan
He's the best.
He's the best at it.
He's handling it.
Don't worry.
He's got it covered.
tom segura
Who's this?
joe rogan
Pete Buttigieg.
tom segura
Oh, yeah.
That's my guy.
Is he the guy?
joe rogan
He's the guy in charge of transportation.
tom segura
That's a fucking shit show.
joe rogan
He's in charge of the fucking trains flying off the rails.
unidentified
You've done a terrible job, Pete.
joe rogan
So was it during COVID did people get fired and then they decided to do other things and they never took the jobs again?
tom segura
Some people got fired.
I think more people were even just let go.
There's a lot of places that had to shut down their operations.
They had no more revenue coming in, so they let people go.
And then you've seen what happened with commercial real estate.
joe rogan
Mm-hmm.
tom segura
Commercial real estate is upside down in this country.
joe rogan
Is it?
tom segura
Yes.
You know why?
joe rogan
Why?
tom segura
Because people don't want to go to offices still anymore.
joe rogan
Yeah, they want to do remote work.
tom segura
They want to do remote work.
joe rogan
They want to work in their pajamas and jerk off.
tom segura
So the people who, if you have these big commercial buildings, I mean, it used to be like this...
Huge asset to own this commercial real estate.
And now it's like a liability.
Because you have empty offices, dude.
You have empty offices all over the country.
You can't fill them up.
You can't force people.
Then there's companies that have just...
I know somebody that owns a company that said...
He goes...
Like a lot of people, he goes, I wanted people to come here.
I want them in the office.
And he was met with such total resistance...
Because I just realized I had to allow it.
Like if we were going to continue to operate.
unidentified
Wow!
tom segura
So he just gave in to his employees going, no, we don't want to do that.
joe rogan
Wow!
tom segura
Yeah.
And it's a sizable operation he has.
joe rogan
Wow.
So people just say, no, I want to work at home.
tom segura
Yeah, and they're like, and I've been working, and I'm effective.
And to a degree, they are, like, in his case, he's like, you know, the work was getting done.
I just prefer to have everybody operating the way we normally had.
But he was like, everybody was like, no.
I used to do an hour and a half commute every day.
I haven't done that now in two years.
I don't want to do it again.
And then he had to go like, okay.
joe rogan
As long as they're disciplined and as long as they're actually effective, I could see that.
But then you got this stupid ass office.
What do we do with this place with all these offices?
tom segura
Hence why this commercial art estate business is like in the shitter.
joe rogan
Wow.
I wonder what happens with that.
Because it doesn't seem like that's going to change.
But there are a lot of CEOs that are supposedly pushing back on all this stuff.
I keep reading articles every day.
tom segura
I think the interesting thing is you know how people always adapt, right?
Mm-hmm.
If something's losing money, people don't just go, well, I guess we'll just lose money forever.
So there is going to be a point, and maybe it's happening now, where you're going to start seeing something done with this commercial property.
If things stay vacant, they're not just going to hold onto that for 15 years.
They're going to turn that into something.
joe rogan
I was reading some dipshit comedian on Twitter saying that they should turn all that into housing for homeless people.
tom segura
Yeah, that is very popular.
joe rogan
That's really good if you don't own the building, you fucking communist.
What are you talking about?
tom segura
I mean, I got to say, that also reminds me of this, and I know this will be unpopular for a lot of people to hear, But the idea of forgiving student loans, it's a fantastic theory.
But one thing that nobody considers who is a huge advocate of that is, OK, so somebody owns that debt.
That debt is owned.
So when you say forgive, are you saying that the government will just pay all of that debt?
Do you have an idea the amount of debt that that is?
Somebody owns the debt.
So if you go forgive the debt, to what degree?
Are you just saying erase it?
It doesn't just disappear.
The debt is owned.
Right.
So when you say, just pay it, who?
Who are you saying will pay it?
In taxes?
joe rogan
Right.
Everybody's going to pay it then.
tom segura
Right.
So that just doesn't get erased, is my point.
joe rogan
But there is a bizarre issue with student loan debt, that student loan debt is the only debt that you can't declare bankruptcy.
tom segura
Yeah, that part is...
That's crazy.
joe rogan
That doesn't make any sense.
tom segura
But when you say, forgive it, it's not just...
I think a lot of people say that and they go, I just don't want to pay this.
Yeah, of course, I understand that.
But you realize that somebody has to pay it.
It doesn't just go into the sky.
Somebody owns that debt.
So who's going to pay it?
If you say that the government will forgive student loans, I mean, that amount has to be In like the trillions.
joe rogan
I wonder what it is.
Let's find out.
What's the collective student loan debt in the United States as of 20?
jamie vernon
I do know there is a differentiation in this conversation that it's federal student loan debt, not private student loan debt, which is a big difference.
tom segura
Okay.
jamie vernon
That's companies that do own that debt versus like the government debt.
unidentified
So this is just federal student loans.
jamie vernon
I'm pretty sure of that.
joe rogan
Okay, so there's two different types of loan debt.
So I'd want to know what it is compared to the military-industrial complex budget.
tom segura
Oh, yeah.
unidentified
Right.
tom segura
That budget is astronomical.
joe rogan
That's the budget, boy.
They accidentally paid an extra $6 billion to Ukraine.
unidentified
They're like, whoops.
tom segura
Whoopsie.
jamie vernon
See, this statement, I don't know if this is differentiating that either.
It says it's $1.78 trillion in student loan debt.
joe rogan
That's a lot, dude, to the U.S. That's more than people owe on any other type of debt in the U.S. except for mortgages, though the Biden administration is trying to forgive hundreds of billions of dollars in student loan balances.
That's more than people owe on any other type of debt in the U.S. Well, except for mortgages.
tom segura
But I mean, you see what I'm saying?
If you just say, hey, erase this debt.
Okay.
I mean, I get it.
But you do understand that that has to come from somewhere.
joe rogan
Right.
tom segura
It's not just them going- It's on air debt.
Yeah.
jamie vernon
That is both.
That is federal and private together.
unidentified
Okay.
joe rogan
So that's all of it.
tom segura
1.75 trillion.
joe rogan
Click on that so we can see what it says there.
It says on average.
It says, cost of college has steadily increased over the last 30 years.
That time frame, tuition costs at public four-year colleges grew from $4,160 to $10,740 and from $19,360 to $38,070.
tom segura
It's crazy.
joe rogan
At private nonprofit institutions adjusted for inflation.
All costs have risen.
So is the need for student loans and other forms of financial aid.
Imagine if you're a person that makes $100,000 a year and your kid is going to school and it costs $38,000 a year.
And then your kid gets out and they get a $50,000 a year job and you realize they're never going to pay this back.
tom segura
It's insane.
What they're doing, like, it is...
joe rogan
It says 92% of all student debt are federal student loans.
The remaining amount is private student loans.
tom segura
Okay, so it's a trillion.
It's a trillion plus.
joe rogan
Yeah.
tom segura
That's a lot, dude.
joe rogan
It's a lot.
And so how much have we spent on Ukraine and how much are we going to spend on Ukraine?
But here's the thing.
If you forgave that debt, wouldn't that spark the economy?
The thing about when people have more money, people spend more money.
When people spend more money, the economy does better.
If people are straddled with student loan debt, I've got to think that somehow or another cripples the economy.
tom segura
I don't think you're wrong in theory about that.
It would seem that you'd obviously have more to do.
You could do more with your money.
joe rogan
And it's not like you're giving people money.
You're just absolving them of debt.
tom segura
Which is a huge one.
joe rogan
The real problem is the whole predatory student loan situation.
That's a real problem.
And it's also a real problem to saddle down a 17-year-old with debt that they will keep for the rest of their life.
tom segura
And they hit you at that same time at the student union with your first credit card, and they're like, just use this.
And it's got 29.9%?
joe rogan
Yeah.
Insane.
tom segura
You don't know what the fuck you're using.
joe rogan
And you need to do it to build your credit.
I need to.
I need to to build my credit.
tom segura
I want to buy a car.
You're paying 26 bucks a month for a coffee you bought.
It's crazy.
It is crazy.
joe rogan
Yeah, the whole thing is insane, but it's insane that we do it to kids because, you know, kids don't have a sense of the future.
They just don't.
They've only been alive for 18 years.
18 years is not enough time to figure out what kind of debt you're going to be in when you're 70. Don't you wonder, too, why?
tom segura
Why?
When we're in school, and it's still not a thing when kids are in school, we don't really teach them about money.
You don't learn shit about money.
joe rogan
You don't learn shit.
tom segura
I'm saying at any level.
Elementary school, high school.
joe rogan
But you don't learn shit about anything you need to manage life.
tom segura
No!
joe rogan
You're basically learning how to say words and not form sentences.
tom segura
You don't learn about money.
You don't learn about nutrition.
joe rogan
Nope.
tom segura
Nothing about that.
joe rogan
You don't learn about thinking.
tom segura
No.
joe rogan
I mean, you know how many kids could be saved from a lifetime of bullshit if you just explain to them why jealousy, why it affects them?
tom segura
Sure.
Emotions?
joe rogan
Yeah.
Explain that these are just natural human emotions that we have all, but you have to learn how to conquer them.
tom segura
And you learn that one of the most amazing, it seems like it's something you should be taught in middle school, is feel feelings.
Let them sit.
When you feel jealous, you're not supposed to never feel jealous.
But you learn to go, okay, that's the feeling.
And this is why I feel jealous about it.
And guess what?
All feelings, they dissipate.
But they get worse, they extend when you fight them.
When you resist, I don't want to feel it.
And you don't want to actually process the feeling and deal with it.
I mean, having that understanding that all those emotions are natural to have, it's like it really is something that could serve you so much better to learn younger.
I don't want to learn that at 40. Teach me that at 13. It would make high school a lot easier to deal with.
joe rogan
Yeah.
I mean, they should teach kids the value of exercise in terms of mental health, the benefits that it has on that.
You have to figure that out on your own.
tom segura
Yeah.
joe rogan
You figure that out through trial and error, through your own life.
tom segura
Totally.
joe rogan
Yeah, nobody's teaching, unless you're listening to podcasts, nobody's teaching you that in school.
tom segura
How to think.
joe rogan
No, no one's teaching you how to think.
And no one who you admire.
Who lives a good life is teaching you how they do it.
tom segura
Yeah.
joe rogan
You know, that's another thing.
People are real stingy with, you know, their own personal success formulas.
tom segura
Oh, yeah.
Well, that's one of my big, like, the litmus test for a good person.
Like, when I go, this is a cool motherfucker, is people who are willing to share information.
It's a really, like, it's a gauge for, like, a solid person.
joe rogan
Yeah.
tom segura
It's when you go, like...
Like, how did you build this studio?
There's the person who goes, it takes work.
I had my guys.
And you're like, all right.
That's them going like, I'm not going to tell you.
joe rogan
Right.
tom segura
That's mine.
joe rogan
Exactly.
tom segura
And then there's a person who's like, here's his card.
Give him a call.
He's awesome.
It's like people who share information, whatever it is, are the people who don't have that insecurity that like, well, if you have it, then it's no longer mine.
joe rogan
Right.
And by the way, it's only good.
It's good for the person.
Like, say if it's someone who does something, you need a mechanic.
I have the best fucking mechanic in Austin.
This guy's a shit.
tom segura
Yeah.
joe rogan
I'll tell you about him.
I'll fucking, you know, and then if you do that, and then he gets work.
tom segura
Yeah.
joe rogan
And then he goes, oh, Joe says you're awesome.
Oh, that's nice.
He feels good.
tom segura
Isn't that amazing, though?
unidentified
Yeah.
tom segura
How people, some people are like, no, that's my mechanic.
unidentified
Yeah, but if I call, if I give you him, I need my fucking car worked on first.
tom segura
First, yeah.
unidentified
First.
tom segura
Yeah, yeah.
joe rogan
Okay?
tom segura
It's such a stupid thing.
unidentified
So you gotta tell me if you're gonna bring your car in, because if I need my car worked on, I called first.
Ugh.
tom segura
It's gross.
joe rogan
It's just famine.
Famine mentality.
tom segura
Yeah.
joe rogan
It's common in everything.
It's a stupid mindset.
But it also comes from being around groups of people that think that way.
If you get fortunate enough to be around someone who doesn't think that—and I'm very fortunate in martial arts, because in martial arts, it's a very meritocracy-based thing.
And it's also you need really good people to get good.
So everybody, like, cherishes and also respects and celebrates people that are really good.
Because it's good for everybody.
tom segura
It is.
joe rogan
It's good in comedy, too.
When you see someone killing, you're like, damn, go watch this guy, watch this guy.
Fuck!
And then you get a juice.
You get a little juice out of it.
If you look at it the right way.
tom segura
You do.
Watching great stand-up, Is, like, medicinal.
It is inspiring.
joe rogan
Yes, yes, yes.
tom segura
And it makes you go, like, I mean, I think I told you this, that, like, when I was at the club and Attell was in town, it was just a great reminder.
Not just watching him on stage, which was fantastic, but just hanging out with him.
joe rogan
Yes.
tom segura
It just took me, like, it actually took me back to, like, oh, yes, like, Hanging out with somebody like this in the green room reminds you of all the things you love about doing stand-up.
joe rogan
The green room at that club has been the greatest thing that I've ever experienced.
tom segura
Yeah, it's been great.
joe rogan
Because I knew...
Well, first of all, I knew the setup was perfect because both rooms are right next to the...
The green room is in the center.
tom segura
In the middle, yeah.
joe rogan
In the center.
It's literally...
I mean, you can go from the green room onto the little stage in 30 seconds.
tom segura
Yeah.
joe rogan
And then you can go downstairs to get to the other one and you're watching on the monitors and you've got the balcony.
tom segura
Yeah.
joe rogan
It's so centrally located.
It's so perfect.
And you can go watch the show from the balcony.
So anytime, like, you know, Shane Gillis is on stage.
Go out there and watch a set.
We'll watch a set.
And you go back inside and everybody's laughing.
It's fucking amazing.
The hang is so good.
tom segura
Yeah.
It's all about the hang.
We used to always say that about the store, too.
What was the best part of the store?
You go to the parking lot.
Standing in the parking lot.
joe rogan
We have a parking lot with a bar and a private bathroom.
The whole thing is set up.
It's nice.
It's so nice.
Just to be able to be around those guys all the time.
Rich Voss was in last week.
Oh my god, he's fun.
I think Tony Woods is there this weekend.
tom segura
I only came in for the night, but I was trying to make it last night and I got delayed.
joe rogan
Is Tony Woods there this weekend?
Tony Woods is a funny motherfucker.
tom segura
Tony Woods is so funny.
joe rogan
Oh my god, he's so good.
I was so excited to get him in here.
He went to the Vulcan.
That fucking guy went on stage at the Vulcan with some shit that he was just talking about in the green room.
Not a bit.
Organic.
And then went on stage and was killing for five minutes with it.
Just so smooth.
tom segura
He's so smooth.
joe rogan
What a veteran.
Tony was a veteran when I met him.
So I met him in like 92?
91?
Somewhere around now?
tom segura
And no like arrogance about that guy.
joe rogan
Sends me Bible verses.
Sends me Bible verses and tells me God bless me.
All the time.
All the time, dude.
There he is.
tom segura
People don't even know.
joe rogan
He's so good, folks.
If you get this...
When is this coming out?
Is this coming out tomorrow?
Tomorrow.
Yeah, so if you get this July 7th through 9th, Tony Woods, At The Mothership.
It's probably already sold out.
Can't recommend it enough.
He's so good.
tom segura
I did Shoreline Amphitheater in Northern California, I think is what it's called.
Just north of San Francisco.
With Chappelle and a lineup, a festival-style lineup.
Dude, Tony Woods went up like fifth and did, I don't know, 20 minutes?
18, 20 minutes?
And it was 22,000 people.
unidentified
Woo!
tom segura
And he got a standing ovation.
unidentified
Gosh!
tom segura
And the rest of us just looked at each other and we were like, oh shit.
We all had to go after him.
unidentified
We were like, fuck.
tom segura
And he got off and I go, what the fuck was that?
I mean, standing ovation.
He goes, it was a college set.
Because it was like a set that he did at college.
He goes, it was a college set.
I go, what the fuck, man?
joe rogan
What are you talking about at college?
That's how comedy is.
But also, Chappelle fans know, like real hardcore Chappelle fans know.
Yeah, that Dave was really inspired by Tony.
tom segura
And Tony took him under his wing.
joe rogan
Yes.
tom segura
Dave was like a teenager.
joe rogan
A teenager.
In D.C. Yeah, and they've been friends for decades.
unidentified
Yeah.
joe rogan
I'm so glad the internet sort of brought Tony Woods back in people's mind.
tom segura
Yeah.
You guys don't know.
If you have not seen this guy, truly a masterful stand-up.
joe rogan
Masterful.
And the best guy.
tom segura
Yeah.
joe rogan
He's on the podcast Thursday?
Thursday.
unidentified
Thursday.
tom segura
So fucking funny.
joe rogan
I love that guy.
He's the sweetest guy in the world, man.
tom segura
The funny thing is he's probably done what I just described to you so many times, and if you brought it up to him, he'd be like, oh yeah, you know, I'm out there killing.
joe rogan
But it's that guy that has a total lack of promotion.
He doesn't promote, he has zero promotion in him.
He doesn't promote anything.
tom segura
Yeah.
joe rogan
Unfortunately, because the talent level is through the fucking roof.
He's one of the best comics on earth.
tom segura
Totally.
joe rogan
Top 20 on earth.
tom segura
I bet he could also, is one of the guys who legitimately, like at your club, if he wanted to, could do like five different sets.
joe rogan
Oh yeah.
Oh yeah, he's been around forever.
And he just, he's got material and everything.
tom segura
That's my theme park set, man.
joe rogan
Oh, that's Cowboys Are in Town.
You know.
You're like, what the fuck?
tom segura
Is that your new hour?
That's from 96, man.
Okay.
unidentified
Yeah.
joe rogan
No, he's a murderer.
tom segura
Yeah.
joe rogan
It's so good.
But, you know, it's like that's the beautiful thing about this business is you will run into those guys that are much more talented than they are popular.
It's interesting.
And then you run into people that are much more popular than they are talented.
tom segura
Yes.
joe rogan
People that are really good at staying popular.
tom segura
That's a skill set.
That's what you'll realize the longer you do this.
And I think...
That is only relevant in the internet age, in the age of this, where there are people who always have that thing of they know how to get people talking about them and juiced up about them.
And it becomes the thing that they actually worked on.
You go, what have you been working on?
They're staying popular.
joe rogan
Right, look at my promotions.
tom segura
Yeah, it's a big thing.
joe rogan
But then you look at their stand-up and you go, you gotta do that with that stuff.
tom segura
I remember an early version of this where this guy was like, can you get me on stage at this club?
And he had, I kind of knew, I didn't know him well.
I probably should have listened to my own Inner dialogue about that.
But I was like, you know, you feel the pressure when the person's right in front of you.
So I go, all right.
So the club owner is there.
And I go, can my friend do a spot?
And they're like, is he good?
And I'm like, yeah.
So he goes up, and he pretty much just eats shit, right?
And I was like, fuck.
And so, of course, the club guy's like, the fuck was that?
And I'm like, I don't know.
So I talk to him, and I go, dude, you know, he goes, if you'll let me do another set on The Late Show, I'll do a different set.
And I was like...
So I go, let him do a different set on The Late Show.
And the club owner's like, no.
Are you sure?
And I'm like, yeah.
And here's the thing.
joe rogan
How many years in were you?
tom segura
A few.
Not many.
joe rogan
Not now.
tom segura
And I go, no, no, no.
And I go, all right.
Here's the thing.
The reason I even brought this up is that the guy, this is years ago.
Had, like, the best website I'd ever seen at the time.
I was like, this website's fucking amazing.
And, like, all his marketing tools were incredible.
joe rogan
Yeah.
tom segura
You know, like, he had, like, cool business card and, like, you went to his site and you were like, shit!
joe rogan
They geolocate?
tom segura
Yeah, dude!
Like, his site looked like a fucking Nike building, you know?
I was like, this thing is fucking rad, you know?
And he goes up for his second set.
Not only does he eat shit, but he does the same set as the first, right?
And I go, dude, you did the same shit.
And he was just like, ah, yeah.
And I could see he was in the...
And I actually left it.
I go, all your shit is cool.
Your website.
I go, you gotta work more on what you're doing on stage.
That's your priority.
joe rogan
Don't you think though that that's like a distraction because they're not working on that other stuff?
tom segura
A thousand percent.
joe rogan
So they concentrate on the promotion because they're distracting themselves from the fact they're not working on the difficult stuff.
tom segura
And not only is that 100% true, but there's so many parallels in life to that.
joe rogan
Sure.
tom segura
We can all go, like, I'm working on this thing to avoid this thing.
joe rogan
Yes.
tom segura
And especially if you get good at the side thing, and then people go, like, oh, wow, yeah, your cooking really has gotten incredible.
unidentified
Yes.
tom segura
And then you're just, like, not working on anything else, you know?
unidentified
Yes.
tom segura
It's very easy to do.
joe rogan
Very easy.
tom segura
And we can all trick ourselves.
Very easy to trick yourself.
joe rogan
Yeah.
It's very easy to do.
Yeah.
tom segura
With stand-up, it's incredibly easy to be like, I'm working on this other project, though.
joe rogan
Right.
And you can make excuses.
I did that when I was on news radio, for sure.
I was doing the same set for like two years.
I wasn't fixing anything.
tom segura
Kills you internally.
joe rogan
Killed me.
Killed me.
Just my ability.
I wasn't connected to the material anymore.
I was just saying it.
And then I had one set in front of some producers, and I bombed, ate shit.
And then I really felt bad.
Because I knew why I ate shit.
I knew I had a flat set, which was not connected.
And I knew I wasn't working on it.
I hadn't written anything in a long time.
And then I bore down, and I got way better.
Within six months, I was killing.
I was doing all this new shit.
I was completely reinvigorated.
I was also getting better sets, too.
The set I bombed, it was like 1 a.m.
in the main room where you cannot be sucky.
You have to grab those people and hang on to them.
They have to know you're good.
They've seen everything.
It's 1 o'clock in the morning in Hollywood.
And I was going on after people that were way better than me.
I just ate shit.
tom segura
Yeah, you need those sets, though.
joe rogan
They're so good for you.
Those fucking bombs.
It's like heartbreak, too.
You need those.
It sounds like a terrible, counterintuitive thing.
To feel bad is good for you.
But you need perspective, and the real perspective only comes the hard way.
tom segura
Disappointment.
Yeah, disappointment.
Heartbreak, like you said.
joe rogan
Failure.
tom segura
Heartbreak is a real good one.
joe rogan
Yeah, failure.
tom segura
Yeah, you fail.
joe rogan
Failure in a relationship.
Failure in a friendship.
Failure in a business venture.
Failure artistically.
Failure athletically.
Failure, failure, failure.
Yeah, that shit right there.
Dude, when you were saying the patella, I had a patella tendon graft on my left knee when I got my ACL reconstructed.
And they took a slice of the patella.
They were like, don't worry about it.
The thing's really big.
And I was like, now I'm thinking about it.
I'm like, how big is it?
tom segura
It blows out.
He goes...
He goes like, 93% of patellar tendon tears happen at a connection point.
In other words, you know, there's two points of connection, either on the patella or on the, what is it, the tibia?
I might be incorrect.
He's like, you're snapped in the middle.
He goes, which just takes a tremendous amount of force, which makes sense.
And when you think about how, because I was leaping, he's like, you're leaping as hard as you can Right.
joe rogan
And you were tired, and you'd fucked it up a couple of days before, right?
tom segura
I'd fucked it up earlier that day.
joe rogan
Oh, Jesus.
tom segura
And he's like, so it's a really weird, like, it's an unusual place to tear.
joe rogan
Mm.
Injuries, bro.
tom segura
Injuries, yeah.
joe rogan
I've had so many.
tom segura
Yeah.
joe rogan
But you know what?
That's another good thing about martial arts and jujitsu.
It's like, I understand, like, that there's stuff you have to do to make sure you don't get injured as often.
That's one of the reasons why I stay strong.
I don't want to be weak.
When you're weak, you get hurt.
And old people, that's one of the major reasons why they fall down, is just they're feeble.
There's an interesting photography series of cross-sections of people's anatomy done through MRI. So they show a 70-year-old sedentary person next to a 70-year-old triathlete.
It's wild.
They show a 40-year-old sedentary person next to a 40-year-old triathlete.
And there's all these, I mean, obviously, I'm not saying you have to be a triathlete, but just being strong, being strong enough to do stuff is so important.
The only way you get that way is lifting weights and working out.
tom segura
The only thing I keep preaching to my friends and my family circle of people I'm around, especially guys, guys and women, I want to make that point too, women too, is you have to have resistance, weight resistance.
People get into their, when they hear that, they keep thinking like tremendously heavyweight.
Like, oh, I'm not going to be a power lifter.
And you're like, no shit.
unidentified
Yeah.
tom segura
And you shouldn't even try to be.
joe rogan
Yeah, there it is.
Look at the cross-section.
So the top is the guy who has the workout schedule.
And it's all muscle.
And then the bottom is just mostly fat.
The same size leg.
And there's just this weak-ass, bitch-ass muscle around the fat.
When I see that, I want to leg kick him.
unidentified
That bottom one, just imagine what kind of damage you would do.
joe rogan
Slamming a shin into that.
tom segura
When you're in the hotel gyms, And sometimes you see these dudes, of all ages, but I would say starting at like 40 into the 70s, is the guy who walks in kind of like the beginning of dropped head syndrome, like this, and immediately you know this guy's going to the elliptical or treadmill.
Because that guy doesn't lift weights.
And all you have to do, like not all you have to do, but if you want to avoid that path, Weight training.
Start lifting weights.
Have some type of resistance training.
Put your body under that stress, your muscles and your skeletal structure under the stress of picking up something and resisting.
Build your muscle.
I have this conversation with my cousins and my My siblings and my friends all the time who I see on the path of not touching weights.
Like, dude, you're not going to be fine just doing the elliptical.
You're going to deteriorate.
joe rogan
Even guys that I know that do jujitsu, especially as they get into their 40s, I always tell them, you're not working out?
Other than training?
You're only doing jujitsu?
And they're like, yeah, I go, dude.
At least once a week you should be lifting weights.
At least once a week.
You really should be doing it a little bit every day.
The key is a little every day.
That's the Pavel Totsilin method.
I think if you're doing something else like Jiu Jitsu, you can get by with a couple of workouts in the morning and a couple of workouts in the afternoon where you're not even killing yourself.
You're just doing some kettlebells, doing some chin-ups, doing some push-ups, but you're making your body do these things.
Even if you do only one set of chin-ups, you do 10 chin-ups, do 20 dips, do 20 push-ups, do 20 body weight squats, just do that!
Just do that!
Just that!
That's weight.
It's your physical weight, your body weight.
And if you can get some kettlebells, get some kettlebells and do 10 clean presses each side.
It's not a lot.
It'll take you two minutes.
Do it in the morning.
Do it at night.
Do it twice.
If you do that all the time, your body just gets accustomed to doing that all the time.
And then you develop tissue that protects your joints and your tendons get stronger.
And then you have the ability to do stuff.
tom segura
Those scans are wild, obviously.
Then you're seeing the real thing.
But when I see just regular dudes that are older, and you see the guy that is active, it really blows you away.
Just the way that they stand.
They stand a different way.
Their shoulders are back.
You go, oh man, this guy.
Yeah, this guy's been active for 40 years.
joe rogan
Yeah.
tom segura
And the guy that is fucking walking down the hall like this?
joe rogan
I always find those dads.
I always find those dads that, like, when I have these parent-teacher things, I'm like, that guy lifts weights.
tom segura
Yeah.
joe rogan
Hey, buddy.
Yeah, yeah.
tom segura
You click on him.
joe rogan
I met this jack dude the other day.
I was like, you're my new friend.
jamie vernon
Left out the 40-year-old.
It looks the same.
joe rogan
Yeah, the 40-year-old triathlete.
I was trying to explain that, but that was just, yeah.
It's basically the same.
Same amount of muscle tissue.
tom segura
That's incredible.
joe rogan
Yeah.
tom segura
Was that a parent-teacher thing?
joe rogan
Yeah, Super Jack guy.
T-shirt, shorts.
I was like, look at you, buddy.
We're hanging in there.
tom segura
That's cool.
That's the thing, though, is you actually start to be drawn to people like that.
joe rogan
Oh, yeah.
I know that guy's fucking putting in the work.
A guy who can be that fit at 55 years old, when I see him, I'm like, alright, I can hang out with that guy.
tom segura
I want to hang out with that winner.
Winner mentality.
joe rogan
Yeah, that guy knows how to do it.
If you're still, you haven't quit now, and you're driving a Porsche, so you have money, so like, okay, you haven't laid back now?
tom segura
Okay.
You gotta get that Porsche.
joe rogan
That's my buddy.
tom segura
Yeah.
joe rogan
Yeah, I just, you know, you cannot do it.
You don't have to.
But if you want your life to be better, it's one of those things.
It has to be done.
tom segura
Yeah, and you guys who are in their 50s are just going to, you're going to be the guys that in your 60s and 70s people go like, you're fucking 65?
joe rogan
Yeah.
tom segura
Holy shit.
joe rogan
Yeah, there was this dude that was training with Tim Kennedy a couple months back.
He posted on his Instagram, and then his dad came.
His dad was 70, six-pack.
Fit as fuck.
tom segura
Really?
joe rogan
This is wild.
70. Okay.
Canary in the coal mine.
That's what I used to say about Stallone.
He was my canary in the coal mine.
tom segura
Yeah.
He still gets after it.
joe rogan
He got fat as fuck, though, at one point in time.
tom segura
He did.
joe rogan
Yeah, he got a giant belly.
I don't know if that was for a movie.
tom segura
He did.
joe rogan
Is that for a movie?
tom segura
Yeah, there was a movie where he plays either a police officer or a security guard, and they told him...
joe rogan
You gotta get fat.
tom segura
You gotta get fat.
He did.
He was like, I was eating pancakes every day.
joe rogan
Wow.
That's a rough thing to do when you're 70. I think...
tom segura
This was actually...
It was a little while ago for this one.
So maybe we're thinking about two different movies.
But yeah, that one.
joe rogan
Oh, no, no, no.
I remember that.
I remember that.
That was a very good movie.
tom segura
Yeah, he got...
He actually gained that weight.
joe rogan
What movie was that?
jamie vernon
There's like a flood or something, right?
joe rogan
What was that movie?
Copland.
That was a very good movie, and he was very good in it.
tom segura
He was.
joe rogan
He can act.
tom segura
Yeah, he can.
But I remember watching him talk about gaining weight for that.
unidentified
Right.
tom segura
So you're saying a different one.
joe rogan
No, it's recent.
Oh, okay.
It's recent.
He was on the beach.
I think he was going through a divorce.
He was probably drinking a lot of beer.
tom segura
Oh, okay.
joe rogan
Because he got divorced for a little while.
He did?
He was getting divorced, and he stopped getting...
Why do I know this?
But it was Sylvester Stallone belly on beach.
He was real fat on the beach.
See, we're used to him looking like in that picture where he's got the t-shirt.
tom segura
Yeah.
How old is he now?
joe rogan
Yeah.
That's not even a good, that's not even a bad one.
Some of the other ones are like, yeah, there he is.
Like, he's fucking huge belly.
tom segura
Yeah.
joe rogan
That's beer, son.
That's beer and lasagna.
unidentified
Yeah.
joe rogan
That's what that is.
That's giving in to them guinea instincts.
unidentified
Yeah, for sure.
joe rogan
Dude, when we went to the Bronx, we went to New Jersey, had a UFC a month ago.
tom segura
Is this the sandwich thing?
joe rogan
Yes.
tom segura
It was so good.
Do you know that like my salivary glands watching the video were like...
joe rogan
Like a dog!
tom segura
I think one of my favorite, like when you talk about your favorite things to eat, for me, like an Italian sub, like a German Italian one with all the meats.
joe rogan
This guy, Giovanni, from G&R Deli in the Bronx.
These are the real...
tom segura
Is that like a Caprese?
joe rogan
Yes.
tom segura
Oh my God.
joe rogan
Oh my god.
That one right there, I think that was chicken cutlet with sun-dried peppers and fresh mozzarella.
And that's just one of them, but there was a bunch of different sandwiches that he made.
tom segura
This was in the Bronx?
joe rogan
Yeah, that's my man, Tommy Jr. And this was one they made with pork.
It was fantastic.
Dude, these people know how to eat.
Italians know how to eat.
They go hard.
And this guy, Giovanni, you go to his, see that one in the back?
That's what they call the Bronx Godfather.
That's fucking sensational!
It's the greatest Italian sub I've ever had in my life.
It was so good.
Dude, I overate so hardcore.
I ate and they gave us, they're so generous, they gave us like a tray of sandwiches and we brought them to the UFC. So I was telling all the other on-air guys, I'm like, you know, DC, DC loves his food.
I was like, come have a sandwich.
He was like, oh shit.
Oh yeah, they grabbed, look at my fat face.
tom segura
That looks amazing.
joe rogan
Yeah, so I'll go off the rails, bro.
Sometimes you have to.
I'll go off the rails every now and then.
Yeah, yeah, yeah.
I went out to dinner with Matt Serra and John Rollo the other day.
So it was three guineas at Red Ash.
So I had to go off the rails.
I had the bone marrow with the garlic bread.
But I'll do that one meal, maybe a week, but mostly not.
tom segura
Yeah, well, you can't, I mean, if you do it all the time, it's just a disaster.
joe rogan
Yeah, you just have to make sure you don't do it all the time.
tom segura
That's the thing.
When I take people to Red Ash, I turn into, like, an ambassador.
I'm like, please, like, show them what you guys do.
And, like, I have them bring, like, ten dishes.
joe rogan
Well, we've had a bunch of employee meetings there, especially before we started the club.
unidentified
Yeah.
joe rogan
Sort of bonding meetings.
tom segura
It's hard to not indulge at Red Ash, though.
joe rogan
It's amazing.
And we would tell them, just have the chef bring over anything and everything.
And they would just bring over plates and stuff.
tom segura
It's incredible.
joe rogan
It was amazing.
tom segura
I can't wait to go back, actually.
joe rogan
Yeah, it's a great place.
Well, Austin is amazing for food.
unidentified
Yeah.
joe rogan
It's amazing.
It's such a good place for food.
There's so many good restaurants here.
tom segura
Popping up all the time.
Yeah.
There's already good places, and they keep happening.
New shit here just keeps opening that you're like, oh, my God.
joe rogan
Have you been a lonesome dove?
tom segura
I have not.
unidentified
Oh, my God.
joe rogan
Oh my god.
So good.
They sell rattlesnake sausage.
They serve, I should say.
Rattlesnake sausage.
A lot of wild game dishes.
tom segura
There's a southern one that I went to here.
So fucking good.
I went with Phillip.
Phillip Lee.
joe rogan
What was the name of it?
tom segura
I gotta look it up.
I'll ask him.
joe rogan
There's so many places here, man.
tom segura
Yeah.
I mean, his places, too, are out there.
joe rogan
Oh, yeah.
No, his places are insane.
That Sushi by Scratch out in...
Where is it at?
unidentified
You go here, Fixee.
No.
joe rogan
I've heard that place is the shit, too, though.
tom segura
Is it Ola May?
Could that be it?
joe rogan
Oh, I think...
I don't know.
That Fixie?
That place is supposed to be fantastic.
Did you say Fixie or Fix?
unidentified
How do you say it?
joe rogan
Whatever it is.
jamie vernon
F-I-X-E. Texas is probably Fixie.
joe rogan
I heard that place is fantastic.
There's so many good places out here.
There's good...
unidentified
Have you been to ABBA? Yes.
joe rogan
That place is great, too.
Amazing.
jamie vernon
Olame?
There you go.
tom segura
That's it.
joe rogan
Olame.
tom segura
Bro.
That place is outstanding.
joe rogan
Damn, son.
tom segura
That's outstanding.
joe rogan
Damn.
unidentified
Yeah.
tom segura
So, so good.
jamie vernon
Yeah, I went to NADC Burger last night.
tom segura
Which one?
jamie vernon
NADC burger.
joe rogan
Oh, not a damn chance burger.
It's a Phillips burger.
It might be the best burger on earth.
tom segura
Oh yeah, that's his too.
joe rogan
It might be the best burger on earth.
The only person in contention is the Golden Tiger.
jamie vernon
I want to eat two, but...
joe rogan
Golden Tiger's pretty fucking good.
tom segura
That one I have not been to.
And I almost got it after the club one night.
joe rogan
Phillip told me it was the greatest burger he's ever had.
That's why Phillip decided to make NADC burger.
tom segura
Really?
joe rogan
He wanted to perfect the American cheeseburger.
tom segura
Golden Tiger, is it downtown?
joe rogan
Eastside?
Yeah, Eastside.
tom segura
That's open late, right?
joe rogan
Yeah, real late.
It's like a food truck and it has outdoor seating.
It's amazing.
tom segura
I gotta try it.
joe rogan
It's so good, dude.
unidentified
Fuck.
tom segura
I think it might be also one of my favorite, favorite things in the world is just a simply made cheeseburger.
joe rogan
Oh, yeah.
Last time I was there, I ate three cheeseburgers and a chicken sandwich.
tom segura
At Golden Tiger?
joe rogan
Yeah.
unidentified
Three?
joe rogan
Three.
tom segura
And a chicken sandwich.
joe rogan
And a chicken sandwich.
I might have been high.
Yeah, that was an off-the-rails moment.
I have my off-the-rails moments.
Yeah, phenomenal.
tom segura
Dude, that looks so good.
Anything fried now just ruins me.
Another thing I absolutely love is a fried chicken sandwich.
joe rogan
You know what I really miss?
Fried chicken and waffles at Roscoe's.
tom segura
Oh, Roscoe's.
Come on, man.
L.A. staple.
joe rogan
Yeah, with the hot sauce on the chicken and the maple syrup on the waffles and the butter.
Slice it up.
Hope you don't get shot.
Eat it all.
Look at that.
tom segura
Oh, man.
joe rogan
Woo!
That food is so good.
tom segura
It's so good.
joe rogan
It's a wild place, too.
You go there, there's a lot of people.
Like, last time I was there, there was a lot of people I knew there.
A lot of comics.
tom segura
Yeah.
joe rogan
A lot of dudes from the store were there.
I was like, this is...
It's such a classic L.A. place.
tom segura
Yeah, was it on Union?
joe rogan
Well, there's one that was near us.
I say us.
When we had Sunset and Gower.
tom segura
Yeah, that's right.
joe rogan
It was radio.
It was right down the street.
So we used to get it for lunch there.
tom segura
It's the shit.
unidentified
What?
tom segura
And yet, it's one of those things, the first time you hear it, you're like, what are you talking about?
joe rogan
Why would you make chicken with waffles?
It doesn't even make sense.
tom segura
And then you sit there.
joe rogan
And you eat it.
But it's also like the perfect chicken.
Like, they're chickens off the charts.
tom segura
Yeah, fried chicken.
joe rogan
But it's also, it's like that recipe.
They got it down.
They've been doing it forever.
They know exactly how to serve you a Roscoe's fried chicken.
You eat it, you're like, ugh.
tom segura
Ugh.
joe rogan
This is what I was waiting for.
tom segura
Yeah, and then the sugar rush from the waffle.
joe rogan
And the fucking butter.
unidentified
And then you dip the chicken in the fucking...
joe rogan
Maybe a little hot sauce too.
Fuck it, let's go.
tom segura
I need naps right after that.
joe rogan
Naps.
Yeah, your insulin crashes.
Your whole body's like, what?
Your sugar crashes.
tom segura
What are you doing to us, man?
unidentified
What is this?
tom segura
And you think, though, that there's people who eat like that every day.
unidentified
Every day.
joe rogan
I remember one time I had a double cheeseburger with fries and a large milkshake.
It was like a large milkshake.
And by the time I finished a large milkshake, I literally felt like I got poisoned.
I was like, oh!
tom segura
It felt terrible!
joe rogan
It was not worth it!
The wildest trick your body does to you, especially with a big, heavy sugar meal, your body tricks you into thinking it's good while you're doing it.
tom segura
It does.
It's totally a trick.
You know that when you eat to capacity feeling and you're like, I feel sick?
I think I ate like that every day for 15 years.
joe rogan
Yeah, that's my number one problem.
But I don't do that when I eat the carnivore diet.
I don't do it.
Meat has a high level of satiety, I think is the word, which means you get satiated real quickly.
You know, when your body's had enough, you're like, yeah, you've had enough.
tom segura
You got enough?
joe rogan
Yeah.
tom segura
Yeah.
joe rogan
It's good.
tom segura
But then you just look over at that freezer and you're like, is there ice cream in there?
joe rogan
You guys got ice cream?
unidentified
Mmm.
joe rogan
Gotta earn that ice cream, son.
tom segura
Ice cream is a...
Yeah.
unidentified
That's...
joe rogan
That's a hard one.
tom segura
Oh, yeah.
unidentified
Ice cream's good.
joe rogan
I'll eat a whole fucking pint of that shit.
I'll get in there.
tom segura
Yeah.
I'll do the shit where I see them at the grocery store, and I start grabbing, and then all of a sudden, the next day, Christine will be like, are there six different pints of ice cream in there?
I'm like, I don't know.
The kids are here.
I thought they might like them.
unidentified
They're like, what are you talking about?
joe rogan
The kids are here.
The kids ain't ice cream.
Yeah, me it was mint chocolate chip.
tom segura
Really?
I actually love chocolate chip not mint.
joe rogan
Really?
tom segura
Yes.
joe rogan
I like chocolate chip not mint too.
tom segura
Yeah, that shit's my, that is my absolute favorite.
joe rogan
I remember the first time I got high with Eddie, he took me to, we went to Baskin Robbins and I had an ice cream sundae and I was like, this is the greatest thing the world has ever invented.
A hot fudge sundae.
tom segura
Bro.
joe rogan
I was like, it was insane.
Whatever the fuck marijuana does to your senses, especially your sense of taste, it's insane.
tom segura
Oh, yeah.
We used to, in college, we used to get high out of our minds, like full bong rips, joints, just eyes bleeding.
And then we would take a blender, put in a whole tub of ice cream, Milk and then scoops of peanut butter.
Blend that up.
And it just felt like you were drinking peanut butter.
And when you're high...
And I would do it until I vomited.
I would drink them until I puked.
Because there's no alarm that goes off, that goes stop.
You're like, no, it's too...
You feel like a dog, like an animal.
Just like...
If you leave a dog around the food it wants, it just eats it until it's sick, you know?
joe rogan
Your body has to be so confused as to what form this food is taking, too.
tom segura
Yeah.
joe rogan
Like, if you're having, like, a milkshake, there's so much sugar, and it's frozen, and there's milk.
Like, what is this?
tom segura
What is this?
joe rogan
The fuck is this?
Your body has no reference.
Like, if your body's eating an apple, like, oh, this is a very sweet apple, but it's an apple.
I know what to do with this.
Your body's eating that.
It's like, what the fuck is this?
tom segura
What is this?
joe rogan
What is this?
tom segura
It's not, yeah.
joe rogan
Like an ice cold Coca-Cola.
Oh my god, your body's like, give me more of that.
What the fuck is that?
tom segura
Also, we all know it.
That formula at McDonald's.
Why that's the best tasting Coke and Diet Coke on the planet.
Why?
Because what happens is when you're an establishment, like a restaurant, you get a formula.
Like the gun has a blend.
And there's definitely a different formula at McDonald's.
joe rogan
Oh, has there been anything written about this?
unidentified
Yeah, yeah, yeah.
joe rogan
Oh, interesting.
I didn't know that.
tom segura
If you drive by a McDonald's and you get a Diet Coke, you'll be like, what the fuck?
joe rogan
Okay, typically restaurants get their soda syrups in plastic bags, but Coca-Cola does something different for McDonald's.
The fast food chain gets their Coke syrup delivered in stainless steel tanks.
According to the New York Times, the material keeps the soda fresher and your tongue can taste the difference.
tom segura
A thousand percent it can.
joe rogan
Right, but is it a more potent blend or is it just because it's in the tanks?
tom segura
I don't know, but it does taste so much better.
joe rogan
It says their filtration system is top tier.
It is superior.
Wow, there's all these articles about it being superior.
tom segura
And I would say both.
Like, regular Coke, all of a sudden you're like, oh man.
joe rogan
And Diet Coke.
McDonald's has an article.
McDonald's does.
It says, there are many reasons the Coca-Cola tastes so great at McDonald's.
We simply follow the guidelines set by Coca-Cola and take steps to ensure that we serve a high-quality fountain beverage.
Well, congratulations, you do that.
tom segura
Yes.
joe rogan
The water and Coca-Cola syrup are pre-chilled before entering our fountain dispensers with the ratio syrup set to allow for ice to melt.
Oh, so it doesn't get watered down with the ice, so they are making it stronger.
That's smart.
tom segura
But doesn't this tell you something, though, how everything is in the details?
You know what I mean?
Like, this is something that probably a restaurant would be like, Coca-Cola would say, you should do this, and they go, whatever.
joe rogan
Right.
tom segura
You know, like, whatever, we'll just...
We'll just put it in the gun.
But I believe that McDonald's sticks to that because it is consistent and it is so much different tasting.
joe rogan
Even what they said about their straws.
unidentified
Yeah.
joe rogan
So their straws are typically wider than the typical straw.
tom segura
So you have a different amount coming in.
joe rogan
Yeah.
Give it to me.
Right in my face hole, you fuckheads.
tom segura
Fuck my mouth with Coke.
unidentified
Yeah.
joe rogan
Yeah.
Big old fat tube of it.
tom segura
So fucking good.
joe rogan
Extra syrupy.
Because what if the ice melts?
unidentified
Yeah.
joe rogan
What if the ice melts?
tom segura
Even their ice is better there.
joe rogan
They have better ice?
tom segura
They have better ice.
joe rogan
They have filtered water, they said.
tom segura
There you go.
joe rogan
By the way, we're not paid by McDonald's for this.
tom segura
No.
joe rogan
I don't even eat that stuff.
But if I did, it's filet of fishes.
tom segura
Filet of fishes?
joe rogan
I could eat five of those fuckers.
tom segura
Really?
joe rogan
I love filets of fishes.
I don't even know what that is.
tom segura
McDonald's has this thing, too, where there's a temperature swing where it goes from being the best thing you can eat at that moment to, like, this is dog food.
joe rogan
Right.
tom segura
You're like, throw this down.
joe rogan
I was in California a few months ago, and I had a quarter pounder.
It was actually quite a while ago, 10 months ago.
And I had a quarter pounder for the first time in fucking forever.
But I was starving.
And I had to eat, and I was heading to the airport.
I'm like, let me just pull in this drive-thru real quick and get a quarter pounder.
It's so sweet.
Like I could taste the sugar in a quarter pounder.
tom segura
Their bread even is, I think, sweet.
joe rogan
Yeah, it tasted like a pastry.
I was like, this is interesting.
It was very good.
I enjoyed it.
I really did.
I'm a quarter pounder fan.
I don't know what they're doing, but it's fucking...
Delicious.
tom segura
That's the thing I think you really notice about certain foods when you stay away from them for a while, is that when you reintroduce them, you go, oh, I didn't realize that I was...
This tastes way different.
joe rogan
Yeah, way different.
I thought it was going to taste like an In-N-Out cheeseburger.
tom segura
Yeah.
joe rogan
Like a cheeseburger.
Like, In-N-Out is the gold standard for me.
For fast food places, you can't fuck with In-N-Out.
But they have a standard.
And Five Guys.
tom segura
They have standards.
I mean, In-N-Out has high standards.
joe rogan
Oh, yeah.
tom segura
Whether or not they are...
For your palate, you can't negate that they have high standards.
joe rogan
Some people hate their fries.
tom segura
I know.
joe rogan
How can you hate their fries?
tom segura
You've seen them chop the potatoes in the back.
joe rogan
I just wish they did it in beef tallow because they're doing some bullshit seed oils.
tom segura
That's what they...
joe rogan
Yeah, I'm sure.
What does In-N-Out use oil for their fries?
Everybody uses canola oil, which is basically industrial lubricant.
That stuff was invented to lube up machines.
tom segura
Really?
joe rogan
Sunflower oil, same shit.
You're not supposed to get that much sunflower oil in your body at one point in time.
It's not normal.
Sounds healthy, doesn't it?
tom segura
It does, actually.
Sunflower sounds good.
joe rogan
That shit's not healthy.
tom segura
They watch them.
They're chopping the produce right there.
joe rogan
Oh, yeah.
Right in front of you.
Right in front of you.
The meat is fresh.
It's not frozen.
And you can taste it.
tom segura
Nice biblical verse on the bottom of the cup.
joe rogan
Oh, that's so sweet.
tom segura
It's beautiful.
joe rogan
You know what I love?
Flying Dutchman's.
tom segura
Yeah.
joe rogan
The secret menu.
Yeah, that's what I get.
tom segura
The secret menu is really fascinating.
I know, it's wild.
joe rogan
Animal style and all that jazz.
tom segura
Yeah, nothing's on, not printed though.
joe rogan
Yeah, how do you find that out?
You don't know somebody.
tom segura
Yeah, somebody told me about it the first time and then I googled it and it's much more extensive than you, it's not like two or three things.
joe rogan
Oh yeah, it's a shit ton of things.
tom segura
It's a lot of things, yeah.
joe rogan
Things I've never even heard of before.
tom segura
Yeah, it's a lot.
joe rogan
Yeah.
tom segura
Yeah, but it's fucking delicious.
unidentified
Mm-hmm.
tom segura
Yeah, I'm a fan.
joe rogan
I'm a fan.
But it has such a different taste, though, than a McDonald's burger.
McDonald's burger is like, it was sweet.
I'd like to know how much, how many grams of sugar is in a quarter pounder?
tom segura
And I'm telling you, it's got to be from that bread, too.
joe rogan
That bread is sweet.
It's got to be from everything.
It seems like it's from the ketchup, too.
It seemed like the condiments had some sugar.
tom segura
Higher sugar content?
joe rogan
Yeah, it just tasted like it had sugar in it.
I'm real sensitive to that, so I eat it.
It was good, though.
tom segura
I also love a Chick-fil-A sandwich.
joe rogan
Oh, I love a Chick-fil-A. Yeah, I love your wife's joke about them.
She's so funny, man.
jamie vernon
She's great.
joe rogan
Oh, she's so funny.
10 grams.
10 grams of sugar.
jamie vernon
Eight of it's added, though, so that might be the bread.
joe rogan
Okay, so it's two natural and eight added, so it must be eight grams of sugar in the bread.
tom segura
Yeah.
joe rogan
Yeah.
tom segura
That's in a quarter powder?
joe rogan
Yeah, that's kind of a lot.
tom segura
Yeah.
joe rogan
Like a really sugary drink.
jamie vernon
Maybe it's the ketchup, even.
joe rogan
Yeah, that's what I was saying, too.
I felt like the ketchup was kind of sweet.
So it's probably the bun and the ketchup.
Good, though.
tom segura
So good.
joe rogan
It's a good move to put that eight grams in there.
tom segura
Yeah.
It's so fucking good.
joe rogan
It makes it more delicious if you're only looking for something delicious.
jamie vernon
You ever heard of the McDonald's secret menu?
tom segura
No.
unidentified
What?
jamie vernon
They have some weird shit on here like this.
joe rogan
The Land, Sea, and Air Burger?
jamie vernon
Fish filet, chicken, and burger.
unidentified
Whoa.
tom segura
The difference is, though, I feel like if you- They'll stab you if you order that.
Yeah, if you order that, first of all, I think they'd be like, the fuck are you talking about?
joe rogan
Look at this McCrepe.
The McGangbang?
Shut the fuck up.
unidentified
There's no way.
Come on.
jamie vernon
I think these are real, I swear.
joe rogan
Are you serious?
jamie vernon
I don't know which place is going to really know about them, but I've seen people ask, like, they follow through with a video and go ask for some of this stuff.
joe rogan
What?
jamie vernon
There's a weird viral thing going on right now with them because they have a Grimace milkshake.
tom segura
Yeah.
jamie vernon
People are making some crazy videos about, like, what happened to me after I drank this crazy milkshake.
joe rogan
Oh, like Red Band did with, uh...
jamie vernon
100%.
joe rogan
Yeah.
Remember what Red Band did with Pepsi Spice?
tom segura
No.
joe rogan
Did you never knew about that?
tom segura
No.
unidentified
Oh.
joe rogan
It's the greatest troll Redband ever pulled off.
tom segura
Really?
joe rogan
Redband bought pepsispice.com and then he documented his enjoying delicious Pepsi Spice.
And so as he's drinking Pepsi Spice, he's losing weight, he's getting blood in his diarrhea, he's dying at the end, he's making videos.
This is like young Red Band, Pepsi Spice Project promo.
unidentified
I don't know what this has to do with anything.
joe rogan
Is he blowing himself?
jamie vernon
He's in the bathroom doing stuff.
joe rogan
So he's filming himself drinking Pepsi Spice with himself.
So anyway, he bought pepsispice.com and he had to give it to Pepsi after a while.
tom segura
Oh really?
joe rogan
But I mean, I think it still exists somewhere online.
tom segura
But they came to him and they were like, Hey you motherfucker, we'll kill you.
joe rogan
Because it went viral, you know, at the time.
tom segura
Like, whatever viral is in the year 2001. Imagine, like, the threat from a corporation like that.
joe rogan
Oh, my God.
The Pepsi Spice Project.
Wow.
Yeah, it's very funny.
jamie vernon
Wade continues to add, I like the stamp yesterday.
joe rogan
I'm afraid to have sex.
I keep thinking that my over-caffeinated sperm would blow a hole through the back of a girl's head.
It's just so stupid.
tom segura
So stupid.
But that's the funnest thing to do is a stupid bit.
joe rogan
That's Red Band.
He loves silly shit.
For him, it was like the ultimate platform to find a non-sophisticated company that doesn't recognize the internet.
So you didn't buy pepsispice.com before you released Pepsi Spice, you fucking idiots.
tom segura
Fucking idiots.
joe rogan
Back then, companies didn't even care about websites.
What's a website?
unidentified
We sell Pepsi.
tom segura
Even now, people still can hose.
You see it on social media where they'll grab a Twitter handle and the company hasn't locked it down yet.
People will tweet like they're from that company.
joe rogan
Well, people are tweeting like they're from Bud Light now because, you know, there's Bud Light.
If you go Bud Light underscore, so they're making these very subtle commercials that are like almost as like nothing goes with wieners like Bud Light.
tom segura
Wow.
joe rogan
You know, and it's like two hot dogs.
tom segura
I didn't realize.
joe rogan
People are like, what is this?
Is this real?
Is this a parody account?
And then it is a parody.
Yeah.
Subtle.
tom segura
I didn't realize that, what's it called, them people abandoning it would be that...
It's crazy.
It really has stuck.
I saw an article about revenue and the share that they have of the market and how it has totally taken a shift.
joe rogan
Like $26 billion.
tom segura
That's crazy.
joe rogan
Yeah.
tom segura
They really, really did boycott.
That's the word I was looking for.
They were boycotting it.
joe rogan
Yeah.
And then the trans movement got mad that they didn't support Dylan Mulvaney.
So a lot of, like, LBGTQ and whatever the other letters are, those bars stopped carrying Bud Light.
tom segura
So it's really...
joe rogan
Because they felt like Bud Light didn't back them up.
And then there was video footage of them sponsoring a pride parade So it's like a Bud Light parade truck with a bunch of people dancing around like, we like to fuck guys too.
I'm a girl.
I like to fuck girls.
It's whatever it is.
They're like dancing around inside this...
Now they're advertising in front of the Pride people, and so then the people are like, oh, they're fucking doubling down.
It's like they can't win.
tom segura
No.
joe rogan
So the Pride people are mad.
How weird is it that when you say Pride, people immediately think of gay?
tom segura
Pride means gay, yeah.
joe rogan
How wild is that?
tom segura
Yeah.
joe rogan
That they did that.
tom segura
Yeah.
joe rogan
Cain Velasquez has brown Pride tattooed on his chest.
unidentified
Yeah.
joe rogan
Now people are like, what are you trying to say?
tom segura
He's gay brown.
joe rogan
What are you trying to say?
You know, it used to be you were proud.
tom segura
Right.
joe rogan
Now it's gay.
tom segura
It definitely means queer.
Wild.
joe rogan
Pride month.
tom segura
Queer month.
joe rogan
Imagine, you don't even have to say gay pride anymore.
tom segura
Yeah.
joe rogan
You say pride month.
How insidious.
They snuck it in.
They slowly took over pride.
Like they took over the rainbow.
tom segura
Yeah.
Rainbows are...
That is...
It's so funny to think that University of Hawaii used to have rainbows on their helmets.
joe rogan
Can't have it anymore.
tom segura
Well, also...
joe rogan
Too beautiful.
tom segura
I think the football team was like, can we get something else?
It was not even related to games.
joe rogan
Shouldn't we be the Tiger Sharks?
tom segura
Yeah, it's like, give us...
And they finally changed it.
joe rogan
What do they know?
tom segura
Well, I forget what the...
But they put a more badass design on the helmets.
But for years, it was a rainbow.
Because it was like Hawaii.
And they were like, come on, man.
We're supposed to be out to...
Yeah, that was on the side of a helmet.
Now it's on the bottom.
joe rogan
It's like that H... Isn't that crazy, though?
The rainbow has become...
I mean, it's gay.
Rainbow's a gay thing.
tom segura
Rainbow's a gay, yeah.
joe rogan
Yeah, I mean, that's what it is now.
Pride, it's a gay thing.
The word is...
Like, if you say you have straight pride, people are like, really?
tom segura
Yeah, of course.
joe rogan
Do you really?
Do you really?
tom segura
Yeah, you should...
joe rogan
First of all, why?
You're 99% of the people.
tom segura
Proud to be straight.
joe rogan
What are you proud of?
unidentified
Yeah.
joe rogan
What are you proud of?
They had a straight pride parade.
And I was like, if I was a gay guy trying to fuck a guy in the closet, that's where I would go.
I'd go to that straight pride parade and see who's yelling the loudest.
tom segura
Let me see who I can get over here.
joe rogan
You want to argue?
This is such a weird time, man.
Such a weird time because unfortunately because of social media, now anything that you do, you can form an identity around it and then it can be like your identity in terms of like your source of like how you view yourself in the world.
You no longer view yourself in the world as just a human being.
That's just accepted for whatever you're interested in.
Now you're in, like, a very specific category or group.
And then there's other people in that group, and you think there's people that are opposed to you, and there are people that are opposed to them.
So then you're in conflict.
Now you're part of a gang, you know, that's gonna go after those people that are against us.
Fuck them.
It's wild.
tom segura
Yeah.
It's exhausting, too.
joe rogan
Exhausting.
Exhausting.
And people want to fight.
They want to argue about shit.
tom segura
Don't you just feel like...
I mean, I get such mental fatigue from a lot of this stuff.
I just feel like I'm an observer, and I kind of put it to the side and go, I just...
I can't...
You can't entertain and ingest every one of these things going on.
joe rogan
Well, if you're a conspiracy theorist, this is the real conspiracy.
The conspiracy is have as many social problems as possible that people get distracted by, that people concentrate on.
Whether it's a pandemic, whether it's masks, vaccines, pride, trans movement, drag shows.
Sponsor drag shows for kids if you want people to get mad and want people to get distracted.
tom segura
Right, right.
Let them focus on that.
joe rogan
Get people to think that it's a good idea to do that and watch the outrage.
Get people to think that the oceans are going to be boiling in five years.
You know?
tom segura
Right.
joe rogan
Get people to think that if we don't change...
Like, that was one of the things that Greta Thunberg said five years ago, that we'll all be dead.
tom segura
In five years?
joe rogan
Well, it's five years later, and we're not all dead.
So you're definitely wrong, and you're 16. So why are they flying you out to Ukraine?
Like, what's going on?
So there's so many of these fucking social distractions that are in our face all day long about everything.
And I feel like sometimes that's what I feel like about Supreme Court rulings.
We're going to take away Roe v.
Wade.
And everybody's like, what the fuck?
unidentified
What?
What?
joe rogan
And that's another one.
And then that one becomes a thing that people identify as the most important problem that they have to solve.
And while all this is going on, money's getting moved around, decisions are getting made.
And it's a brilliant cover for wild shit.
tom segura
Yeah, because all you have to do ever really is follow the money on anything.
joe rogan
Yeah.
tom segura
And you see what's actually happening and everything else is a distraction to that.
joe rogan
Bro, I've been following this Hunter Biden shit.
You see the new, he was smoking crack while he's driving 175 miles an hour to Vegas in a Porsche.
tom segura
Yeah, but to be fair, it was a Turbo S and those are thrilling to drive.
joe rogan
Oh yeah, I can imagine.
It's probably easy to get 175 in that fucking car.
tom segura
Easy.
Those are amazing.
joe rogan
That's a rocket ship.
tom segura
It really is.
joe rogan
That is a rocket ship.
tom segura
Those are incredible.
joe rogan
And the way that thing handles, oh my goodness.
tom segura
You get behind the Turbo S and tell me you don't want to hit 175. Yeah.
Especially if there's like...
joe rogan
No one there.
tom segura
Not only that, if there's hookers at the end of it.
joe rogan
And you're on crack.
tom segura
Yeah.
joe rogan
And he's smoking crack while he's driving 175. Smoking crack.
tom segura
Wow.
Now he really has substantial issues.
Or he's lived the dream.
joe rogan
What's the dream?
What's the dream?
If you're a fucking total degenerate, what's the dream?
Smoking crack, getting hookers, driving fast as fuck, and making millions of dollars through illegal activity because your dad's rich.
tom segura
$175.
But also this fucking thing of like, he's always filmed doing this.
He films himself!
That's what I'm saying, self-imposed.
So then he posted it?
joe rogan
No, no, no.
I think they found it.
But who knows what's real anymore?
That's not a problem.
Like any video you see today.
tom segura
So he's going through the desert doing this?
joe rogan
Uh-huh.
Yeah, but a lot of people do do that.
tom segura
Yeah, yeah, no, no, I know.
joe rogan
It's a famous place for people driving fast.
tom segura
That's booking, though.
That's different.
Oh, yeah, he's booking.
I've hit 100 and a little over.
175 is really.
joe rogan
175 is insane.
Things are coming so quick.
tom segura
That's really, really moving, man.
joe rogan
I mean, what's the top end of that car?
unidentified
It's probably like 200. Yeah, probably like a little over that.
joe rogan
175 is so fast.
unidentified
Shit.
joe rogan
Life in the fast lane.
How reckless Hunter Biden photographed himself driving, and he's photographing it while he's going 172. God.
While behind the wheel of his Porsche en route to the days-long Vegas Bender with prostitution, pictured himself smoking crack while behind the wheel.
unidentified
Wow.
tom segura
Oh, so it was back in 2018, but he just released it.
joe rogan
It was years ago.
tom segura
Damn.
joe rogan
It was years ago.
Look at him.
Imagine partying with that dude.
I almost had a chance to get that guy on the podcast.
tom segura
Really?
joe rogan
Yeah, man.
They reached out when his memoir was coming out, but then all the shit hit the fan about him.
I was like, nah, I'm not really interested.
And then I started reading all the stuff he did.
I was like, oh my god, he's insane.
tom segura
Yeah, that's crazy.
joe rogan
Yeah, look at that.
unidentified
Hot.
joe rogan
He's driving in a residential neighborhood, smoking crack.
Well, he's in a residential neighborhood.
tom segura
And that's no Turbo S. So that's...
joe rogan
Is that...
What is that?
tom segura
Oh, that's a Turbo S. No, I meant like if the odometer was...
If that one is...
I think that's a different car.
joe rogan
Yeah.
Yeah, look at it.
Well, it's an automatic, too.
But it says manual, see?
unidentified
M? It might have a manual setting.
joe rogan
Yeah, he's in D and then maybe.
Who the fuck knows?
tom segura
Yeah, because they let you head it over.
joe rogan
Paddle shifters?
I don't know if that's the same car.
tom segura
I don't know if it is either.
joe rogan
Jeez.
unidentified
Holes in different area codes.
tom segura
Why would you film it?
joe rogan
Because he's having a party.
tom segura
That's true.
joe rogan
When he's an old man, he wants to look back.
Yeah, I didn't go to Bohemian Grove, but you know what I did?
I smoked street crack with hookers in Vietnam.
Tells a prostitute he had a laptop stolen.
Oh, no.
tom segura
And then he's talking to her while he's recording it?
joe rogan
Well, that dude was off the charts, out of his mind.
tom segura
Yeah, Crack is...
joe rogan
I mean, he was out of his mind.
I mean, he was basically like Ray Liotta looking for helicopters all day long.
tom segura
I talked to one time about Dr. Drew, because he's worked with so many drug users, about the different drugs, right?
And how they can affect your brain.
And he said that there's certain drugs that most people, most, could try and basically...
You can try it, and you might be able to just be like, I did that, and go on with your life, right?
joe rogan
Right.
tom segura
And not have an addiction.
And, of course, he's not saying to do that.
joe rogan
Right.
He's saying it's possible.
tom segura
But he said the one that has the highest probability to switch something in most people's brains, where the chemical composition...
It's like a light switch hits where you'll...
Never be the same is crack.
He said, crack, people that are completely fine trying this and trying that, he said, that's the one where you can do it and just everything, forever your brain has changed and will be basically in the pursuit of crack.
joe rogan
The next Sober October we should do...
tom segura
Do crack.
joe rogan
We should smoke crack before October.
Like right before it.
See who cannot smoke crack through the whole month of October.
tom segura
That'd be a real challenge.
joe rogan
I don't think it would.
Norman said he smoked crack once.
He said he hated it.
tom segura
But what Drew was saying is that...
joe rogan
Oh, but no, no, no.
Wait a minute.
Norman ate crack because he thought it was Molly.
Remember?
Remember?
Yeah, someone gave him crack and he thought it was molly.
And so he just ate it with his girlfriend at the Louvre in Paris.
tom segura
At the Louvre in Paris?
joe rogan
Was it the Eiffel Tower or the Louvre?
One of them places.
They're in Paris.
So he's like, hey, we're gonna have a good time!
Take this molly, I got off a fucking stranger!
And it's crack.
Fuck.
I'm like, Norman, why are you doing drugs off of strangers?
tom segura
Yeah.
joe rogan
Yeah.
tom segura
But then he ate it.
joe rogan
Ari tried to give me some acid once off a stranger.
tom segura
No.
joe rogan
I'm going to have some of this acid.
Do you want some?
I go, you're going to give me acid from a stranger?
I go, do you know how that story turns out?
tom segura
Ari didn't give a fuck.
joe rogan
Yeah.
Ari, you don't give a fuck.
I have a business to run.
I have employees.
I have a family.
tom segura
People thirsted on stage.
joe rogan
Yeah.
You don't even have kids, you fuckhead.
tom segura
Yeah.
joe rogan
I'm not doing straight acid with you.
tom segura
No way.
joe rogan
If you do that acid, and then tomorrow I'll do that acid, if you're still alive.
unidentified
Yeah, yeah.
tom segura
Tell me how that went.
joe rogan
Yeah.
tom segura
Did he do it?
He probably did.
unidentified
He did it.
tom segura
Yeah.
joe rogan
Yeah, we went to see Roger Waters.
unidentified
It was fine.
Yeah.
Eh, it's pretty good acid.
tom segura
Pretty good.
joe rogan
You missed out on the best time.
tom segura
Yeah, for sure.
joe rogan
He was in a giggle fest.
He did cry a bunch.
tom segura
He did?
joe rogan
Yeah.
He cried at how amazing the Roger Waters show was.
jamie vernon
It made me uncomfortable.
joe rogan
Yeah, but he was...
He was fine.
I know, but I was like, why is he so sad?
unidentified
Jamie locked up!
joe rogan
It was so good.
Roger Waters was so good.
tom segura
Oh, yeah.
joe rogan
It was so good.
And then we all hung out afterwards.
tom segura
Yeah, I was so jealous.
You texted me that day or the day before.
joe rogan
Roger Waters is my homie.
tom segura
No, I know, and I wanted to go.
joe rogan
We text each other all the time.
tom segura
I wanted to go.
You asked me, and I was out of town, and I was like, fuck, I would love to do that.
joe rogan
It's one of the weirdest of my homies, like my famous homies that text me every now and then.
I get a text from Roger Waters.
I'm like, holy shit, man.
tom segura
Yeah.
joe rogan
That's Roger fucking Waters, man.
tom segura
Yeah.
joe rogan
First time I made out with a girl when I was 13, I heard comfortably numb.
tom segura
Yeah.
And now he's sending you texts.
joe rogan
I've become comfortably numb.
Oh my God, what a band.
What a band.
What a fucking artist he is.
And like a guy who's like a really well thought out guy, really well versed in international affairs.
tom segura
Yeah, he's definitely not just spouting bullshit.
joe rogan
He's not that old rich guy.
Guy who is detached and just famous now.
He's not that guy at all.
tom segura
He's a real artist.
joe rogan
He can play pool, too.
tom segura
Can he?
joe rogan
Yeah.
Yeah, he plays good.
Yeah, he plays good.
Yeah, he wanted to play.
tom segura
Oh, really?
joe rogan
He's like, I'll play you some pool.
Come on, let's play pool.
I was like, you play pool?
He's like, I play very good.
I was like, no fucking way.
I was like, holy shit, Roger Waters can play some pool.
He knows how to move the rock.
tom segura
Does he have a set-up table at the shows and everything?
joe rogan
Yeah, but the problem with this table out here is if you don't know what that is, it's like a gimmick table, almost.
It's a super tight pro table.
tom segura
Yours?
joe rogan
Yeah, mine has four-inch pockets.
So if you're used to regular pool tables...
tom segura
What do they have?
joe rogan
Five.
Five and a half.
tom segura
Oh.
joe rogan
Yeah.
In a bar.
tom segura
Yeah.
joe rogan
Yeah.
These are four, like...
tom segura
So it's for, like, bullshit playing.
joe rogan
Yeah.
Yeah.
Ernesto Dominguez, Cut.
It's like...
It's like the perfect...
It's like...
It's a gold crown.
tom segura
You still do it a lot?
joe rogan
Oh, every day.
I'm not the junkie.
I'm a junkie.
tom segura
Oh, you are?
I've got a problem.
I didn't realize that.
unidentified
Yeah.
joe rogan
Two of my security guys are good.
tom segura
Oh, really?
unidentified
Yeah.
Yeah.
joe rogan
We play hard.
tom segura
Nice.
joe rogan
Yeah.
tom segura
Yeah, I don't know.
joe rogan
We could battle.
Yeah, we have good...
Yeah, I'm getting better.
I'm probably playing better now than I've ever played.
tom segura
Really?
When did you start getting into it?
joe rogan
Well, I tore my ACL when I was like 22, and that's when I first started playing pool.
tom segura
Oh, okay.
joe rogan
Because I couldn't do martial arts anymore.
It was fucked up for a while.
And then I got surgery.
You got obsessive.
Yeah.
I had to get surgery, but I didn't get surgery for like...
It was a while, maybe more than six months, and then there's a long rehab.
The ACL reconstruction was a long rehab for me.
But I wasn't doing martial arts at the time at all.
So all I was doing was going to the gym.
Like, I went to, like, a regular, you know, fitness gym.
And I'd just lift some weights, do the stair machine.
You know, it was rehabbing my knee all by myself.
And then, you know, because I kind of knew what to do.
Just doing mostly bodyweight squats and slowly building up my ability and being smart about it.
And then...
During the time, I got obsessed with pool.
Just fucking obsessed.
A buddy of mine worked at a pool hall.
He had a part-time job at a pool hall.
This guy was my comic friend, John.
And so we used to play all the time.
We both kind of sucked.
You know, it was fun.
Just talking shit, laughing, playing.
And we'd do gigs together and stuff.
And then I started meeting really good players.
And then I started playing all the time.
And then I had a real problem.
To the point where my manager goes, I think you're spending more time thinking about pool than you are about comedy.
tom segura
I was like, fuck, you're right.
joe rogan
I knew he was right.
I knew he was right because I was playing in tournaments like several times a week.
unidentified
Wow.
joe rogan
Yeah.
Oh, it was a problem.
tom segura
I didn't realize it was that.
joe rogan
I was playing eight hours a day.
Eight hours a day.
tom segura
Wow.
I never knew this about you.
joe rogan
Every day.
Every day.
If pool was a legitimate profession at the time, like back then it was very hard to make a living.
And then there was this camel tour and it wound up being a shit show and a lot of people didn't get the money.
tom segura
You would have gotten into it.
unidentified
100% if I could have been a professional pool player.
joe rogan
I was obsessed.
I loved it.
You know why?
Because the balls don't give a fuck.
They don't give a fuck who's watching.
They don't give a fuck how cool you are.
They don't give a fuck what you're dressed like.
They don't give a fuck if somebody likes you.
If you make that shot, you make that shot.
And to keep your nerves together and navigate around the table was a puzzle to me.
I was fascinated by it because it's just this You're in tune with these balls colliding with these other balls and trying to find the proper angle and plotting out the table in advance to get the good angle on the next ball, to get the good angle on the next ball.
It was just obsessive.
tom segura
Did you get into trick shots and all that too?
joe rogan
Nope.
Couldn't give a fuck.
Get out of here with that shit.
I didn't want to learn it.
I don't care.
tom segura
It doesn't mean anything.
It was just about cleaning the table.
joe rogan
If you get a trick shot and you gotta kill yourself if you don't make it, then I'll watch.
Okay.
There's no consequences.
There's no consequences if you miss a trick shot.
I don't give a fuck if you miss a trick shot.
I don't give a fuck if you make it.
It's kind of cool to see someone has like a really powerful draw stroke and they can do these crazy trick shots.
tom segura
But you're talking about...
joe rogan
It's nonsense.
What you really want to see is people playing pool at the highest level.
tom segura
Do pool players consider, because I know there's multiple games.
I've played amateur, obviously, hanging out.
But some people play, what, eight ball?
What's the standard game called?
joe rogan
Well, there's two main rotation games and there's one big gambling game.
The big gambling game is a game called One Pocket.
And the reason why it's a big gambling game is because it's a very complicated game.
It's boring to watch unless you're like a real aficionado that can never put it on television.
And what One Pocket is...
This is the pool table.
I have this pocket here on the right-hand side.
You have this pocket here on the left-hand side.
And I only can make balls in this one pocket.
You can only make balls in that pocket.
And so there's 15 balls.
There's 15 balls in a rack.
So when someone makes eight, that means they've made more than half so they won the game.
And then to make handicaps, like say if you and I were playing and you don't play as good as me, I'd say, okay, I have to make ten balls and you only have to make five.
We'll do it something like that.
Or I have to make 13 balls.
You only have to make two.
unidentified
Damn!
joe rogan
Yeah, people make crazy matches like that in that way.
And they gamble for a lot of money.
I've seen one-pocket games for thousands and thousands of dollars.
Really?
Yeah, big money.
tom segura
But that sounds like what legit players play.
But most people play 9-ball?
joe rogan
Well, in leagues, a lot of people play 8-ball.
Like a lot of bar table 8-ball.
tom segura
Yeah.
joe rogan
Which is a little complicated because bar, table, eight ball, you have to have really good cue ball control because you're dealing with a lot of clusters, so you have to know how to move the ball around.
It seems easier because you don't have long shots because the table's small, and it is.
It's easier for that, but it's harder for position play because you have very small room for error.
And so you develop a real good sense of where the cue ball's going.
A lot of bar table players have a real solid cue ball.
And then there is tournament play.
And tournament play is generally, usually either eight ball, or nine ball rather, and ten ball for the pros.
So it's a rotation game.
tom segura
Nine ball, I'm familiar with.
joe rogan
Nine ball, the balls are wild.
So nine ball, you break, you make the nine ball on the break, that's a game.
You won.
You make a one-nine combination, you win.
Ten ball, no balls are wild.
So, unless you play it wild.
There's different ways people can play, but generally speaking, it's call shot.
You have to call every shot you make.
So, the one, if you're making a one-five combination, you call the five ball combination.
No bullshit.
You can get lucky occasionally.
And the way you get lucky, say if you call that corner pocket and you miss, but it bounces off the rail, hits the other rail, and comes back in that corner pocket, it still counts.
tom segura
Still counts.
joe rogan
It's a fluke.
You got the luckiest of lucky, but only because you actually called the pocket.
tom segura
I got you.
joe rogan
You really shouldn't even count then.
You should really say how you do it, but that's not how it works.
tom segura
Yeah.
joe rogan
And then there's games where you play the 10-ball counts on the break, and that's a win, but most of the times they don't.
Most of the time they spot it.
tom segura
You have more...
I realize this.
I've realized this over time, but even now, you have more obsessions than most people I know, I think.
joe rogan
Yeah, I got a lot of them.
tom segura
But a lot of people...
Have none or maybe like one.
But like you are kind of obsessed with a number of things.
joe rogan
Yeah, I could get obsessed with anything.
tom segura
Yeah.
joe rogan
Anything good.
tom segura
But I mean, like, you're kind of obsessed with stand-up.
You've definitely been obsessed with jiu-jitsu.
You're kind of obsessed with archery.
joe rogan
Yeah.
I just came from the archery shop.
tom segura
Yeah.
I mean, it's a lot of different disciplines that you're, or, you know, things that you are trying to master.
joe rogan
I'm mentally ill.
tom segura
Yeah.
Fitness, that's another one.
joe rogan
But I'm mentally ill in a very productive way.
tom segura
That's true.
joe rogan
It's not a mental illness where it wrecks my life.
It enhances my life.
tom segura
Yeah.
joe rogan
But it's just I know how to, like, focus.
It's like...
It's like saying I have a 900 horsepower engine, that's why I keep crashing all the time.
Like no, you need to know how to handle 900 horsepower.
If you know how to handle 900 horsepower and you're a race car driver, then you have a massive advantage.
Because then you have all this horsepower.
You could fucking go.
That's me.
It's just like I just have to find things to put that in.
If I'm just like sitting around doing nothing, my brain just starts plotting chaos.
I just start thinking dark things.
I just start plotting scenarios.
It's not good.
I don't trust my brain to be by itself.
That's why, for me, it's easier.
When I say, just fucking work out.
Just go do it.
You'll feel better.
I know it's easier for me to say that.
It's easier for me to say that because I'm crazy.
Because I have to do it.
I know I have to do it.
I go out there and I do whatever I have to do, and then I can manage all that other stuff.
But if I don't, I can get locked into something.
Like I was playing pool for eight hours a day, or I used to get into video games like that, or I'd play video games, or jujitsu.
The thing about jujitsu is you can't really do it all day long.
Your body breaks down.
unidentified
Yeah.
joe rogan
I did as much as I could, but your body starts to break down.
tom segura
What's a good session for like...
Couple hours.
Couple hours?
joe rogan
Couple hours, yeah.
You know, you do like an hour of drills and then you probably roll for an hour.
tom segura
Yeah.
But yeah, more than that, your body's...
joe rogan
You're so beat.
An hour of trying to stop people from strangling you and breaking your arm and fucking ripping your neck off your head.
unidentified
Yeah.
joe rogan
It's fucking exhausting.
tom segura
That's real work.
joe rogan
It's exhausting.
unidentified
Yeah.
joe rogan
You get so tired.
That's why jujitsu people are so chill.
They get it all out.
They don't have nothing.
You meet them in real life, they're like, hi.
They have no bravado, chest puffiness.
They're just fucking chilled out.
tom segura
Yeah, I mean, the bit of boxing stuff I've done, too, is completely exhausting.
joe rogan
Same thing.
Yeah, same thing.
You meet a boxer in real life, they're generally pretty fucking chilled out.
Especially when it's training all the time.
tom segura
Yeah, that training is crazy.
joe rogan
There's nothing for me quite like hitting a bag for a workout that puts me in a great state of mind.
tom segura
Yeah.
joe rogan
Like a great mood.
Doing rounds on a bag.
By the time I'm done, I feel so good.
tom segura
It gets everything out.
joe rogan
Smiley.
I'm all happy.
It just drains all that monkey energy out of my body.
It just drains all that caveman out.
tom segura
And when you hit clean combos.
unidentified
At the end, you're like, oh, I can't.
tom segura
It's a good feeling.
joe rogan
I like going ham.
tom segura
Yeah.
joe rogan
Yeah, it's fun.
tom segura
Well, you're doing the kicks, too.
joe rogan
Yeah.
tom segura
Yeah.
joe rogan
Finally, I could do them again.
My knee's back.
It took forever.
That's another thing that happened with this fucking diet.
Like, whatever weird joint pains I was having just went away.
unidentified
Really?
joe rogan
I used to have occasional joint pain in my right knee, too.
Gone.
Don't feel it at all.
Not at all.
Same workouts.
Same stuff.
It's, I think I was carrying around a bunch of inflammation.
Just from eating, I mean, mostly clean.
Mostly clean.
You know, but I'll eat four cheeseburgers one night.
Or, mostly clean.
I'll have a fucking large bowl of spaghetti.
Mostly clean.
But every now and then I'll go off the rails.
To not going off the rails at all.
I remember one day I just felt like shit.
And I just decided, when was the last time I felt really good physically?
It was like, this is the time that I did that carnivore diet.
So I'm like, let me do that again.
The thing that's most astonishing to me is the mental benefits of it.
When your brain is running on ketones, it's a different feeling.
It's a feeling like you're on a nootropic.
It's like you're on alpha brain.
It's a feeling like you get a little extra room for thinking.
A little extra room for forming sentences, for just even comprehension, understanding things.
I have more mental energy.
I think it's a more efficient form of energy than carbohydrates are.
tom segura
I did find that I'd have joint pain and when I was at the house and I'd feel that way, that was another benefit of that feeling after cold plunging was alleviated.
My knees would be sore from hitting the bike for a while or squats and then you're like, damn, it really does feel alleviated.
Oh yeah, your body loves that.
joe rogan
Let's get that inflammation out of there.
There's a lot of people that talk about it not being scientific benefits.
And I literally hear it in their voice that they're trying not to go in there.
tom segura
Yeah.
joe rogan
Let's just say it doesn't do anything for you physically.
What it does for you mentally is inarguable.
It's inarguable.
There's real science behind it.
It ramps up your dopamine by 200% and it lasts for hours.
tom segura
Yeah, and the epinephrine, norepinephrine.
joe rogan
And it carries through the rest of your day.
tom segura
No, and that's why I was, for me, a big proponent of in the morning.
joe rogan
Yeah.
tom segura
Start your day that way.
joe rogan
Fuck yeah.
It's a great way to warm up, too.
It wakes you up, and then I warm up through...
I make my body get warm while it's freezing.
tom segura
Yeah, I mean, that morning fog that we all feel...
I mean, I keep telling...
People are like, there's no cup of coffee like that thirty fucking five degree water.
joe rogan
Nothing.
tom segura
There's nothing that will get you going like that.
joe rogan
Nothing like that.
tom segura
I mean, you can experience a version of it if you've ever jumped into like a lake or something, you know, like in a cool lake.
That feeling, you're like, whoa!
joe rogan
Dude, I was kind of burnt out the other day.
I did, you know, a bunch of podcasts in a row.
And then I had a real hard workout that day and I was just crashed.
And I came home and I was like, man, I got two shows tonight.
I'm going to get in the tank.
I'm going to get in the cold.
And I just got in there for three minutes.
I got out and I was like, whoa!
tom segura
Let's fucking go!
joe rogan
I went to the club and they're like, why so fucking energetic?
I was like, dude, I was tired today.
I was crashing.
And then I got in that cold plunge.
Now I feel fucking fantastic.
tom segura
Game changer.
joe rogan
Game changer.
tom segura
Yeah.
joe rogan
Yeah, and just get, if you only have a bathtub, get a bathtub, fill it with cold water, throw some ice in there.
Just do it.
It doesn't have to be complicated.
tom segura
Yeah, you'll feel, you really will feel amazing.
joe rogan
Yeah.
tom segura
And the fun thing is I've had people come over and, you know, you can't help what you're talking about.
They see it and they're like, what is that?
And I talk to them, and then there's people who go, fuck that.
They're like, I'm not doing that.
joe rogan
Almost everybody.
tom segura
Yeah.
And then I've had friends that go, all right, I want to try it.
And they get excited about it.
Everyone who's actually gone through and done it has a huge smile on their face.
joe rogan
Yeah.
They start laughing afterwards.
tom segura
Yeah, they love it.
joe rogan
I paid my daughter and her friends $1,000 for every minute they can go in there for.
unidentified
What?
What?
joe rogan
See, you have 11-year-olds!
unidentified
Did they do it?
joe rogan
Yes!
Really?
I'm trying to get a thousand bucks, and I peeled off 10 crisp hundreds.
And then they were laughing and giggling, and the parents were like, what are you doing?
I'm like, it's fun.
unidentified
It's fun.
joe rogan
It's okay.
tom segura
Are you sure?
joe rogan
I'm like, yeah, it's fun.
Everybody had a good time.
tom segura
That's cool.
joe rogan
I did it for fun.
tom segura
At 11, too.
That's like giving an 11-year-old $100,000.
joe rogan
That's why I wanted to do it.
But it's also, they were all laughing afterwards.
Everyone was laughing.
tom segura
Yeah, that's fucking cool.
joe rogan
It was fun that they did it because it's a hard thing to do.
Sure.
Yeah, that's not easy.
It's just a minute.
tom segura
Yeah.
He can do it.
A grand.
joe rogan
I told Tony I'd give him $1,000 for every minute.
tom segura
Did he do it?
joe rogan
He won't do it.
tom segura
He won't?
joe rogan
I go, Tony, you can make 10 grand.
tom segura
He has like no body fat.
He'll experience it differently than most people.
He's so lean.
joe rogan
His balls would crawl right up into his nostrils.
tom segura
Right up into his vagina.
unidentified
Yeah.
tom segura
He's so thin, like lean.
joe rogan
Yeah, he's very lean.
tom segura
Yeah.
joe rogan
He's a little hummingbird.
tom segura
Yeah, he really is.
joe rogan
He's go, go, go.
tom segura
Amazing.
That show we did with him was incredible.
joe rogan
Insane.
The fact that Kill Tony started out in the belly room at the Comedy Store to a half-filled crowd where they were just kind of finding their legs, and I remember doing it back then, to seeing it now where they did it in front of that sold-out movie theater.
unidentified
ACL, yeah.
joe rogan
Yeah, look at that.
That photo was insane.
When he's on stage like that, the roar from the crowd was fucking incredible.
It was incredible.
He was sitting on my lap.
David Lucas and Ron White.
It was amazing.
But it was also like, it felt so good to see this show become this immensely popular thing.
They're doing the fucking HEB Arena for New Year's Eve.
tom segura
And I, like, I'd done the show before at the clubs, you know, at, like, the store and the Vulcan.
When he's like, I'm doing it at ACL, I was like, really?
I kind of didn't really understand what it would be.
Dude, that show really was a flawlessly entertaining show.
joe rogan
It was amazing.
tom segura
It was really, it was so, I told him this, it was so well produced.
joe rogan
Yeah.
tom segura
Like you guys put, like, there was, it felt like this is a show that you guys put on in this space every week.
joe rogan
Right.
tom segura
It was like flawlessly done.
From the music, you know, that band.
joe rogan
The visuals, the video.
tom segura
Yeah, I mean, they had graphics for everybody coming out, and it was, like, timed well.
joe rogan
It was incredible.
tom segura
It was really good.
joe rogan
It was incredible.
tom segura
Yeah.
joe rogan
Yeah.
Holtzman went up and crushed...
It's so nice having him here.
tom segura
It's so ridiculous.
joe rogan
It's so nice having him here.
It's so nice.
tom segura
Yeah, it's awesome that he's here now.
joe rogan
Also watching people try to figure him out.
Like, what the fuck?
Like, people don't know where they're getting into.
tom segura
These are jokes!
joe rogan
Do you understand?
I don't really believe these things!
tom segura
He's such a nice guy, too.
joe rogan
He's the best.
He's a sweetheart.
And, you know, finally he feels like he has a place where he can go up and he has big crowds and he's appreciated and he's having a great time.
tom segura
It's really cool.
Yeah, the club you've built is amazing, dude.
joe rogan
It's pretty wild, dude.
It's pretty wild.
It's wild.
It's just weird.
Even when I'm there, I'm like, is this real?
tom segura
It's a real treat.
joe rogan
What chapter of the simulation am I in?
unidentified
Yeah.
tom segura
It's a fun thing to have here, man.
joe rogan
Well, it's beautiful what's become of this community now.
It's like a surreal, thriving comedy community.
I also think that having two open mic nights a week is huge.
tom segura
Yeah.
I love that Bottom of the Barrel show you guys do.
That's a fun one.
joe rogan
It's perfect with Brian hosting it, too.
tom segura
Yeah.
joe rogan
Brian's the man.
tom segura
Such a great comic.
joe rogan
I'm so happy he's out here.
He's filming his special at the Mothership in August.
tom segura
He is?
joe rogan
Mm-hmm.
tom segura
He's one of my favorite comedians.
joe rogan
He's fantastic.
tom segura
Yeah.
I knew it the first time I saw him, too.
There's weird things like that where you can see someone and you're like, hey, wait a minute.
joe rogan
Yeah, he was a Tommy Bunz recommendation.
tom segura
Yeah.
joe rogan
Yeah, you recommended him to me.
tom segura
Yeah.
joe rogan
I was like, I'll check him out.
The moment I saw him, I was like, oh, okay.
This guy's good.
tom segura
As soon as I saw him.
unidentified
Yeah.
tom segura
There's also specials.
I was thinking about that.
I remember watching specials and just knowing.
unidentified
Mm-hmm.
tom segura
Netflix sent me an advance of Burt's first special for them, and I told him, I was like, you're definitely going to go to theaters.
He was like, really?
I go, 100%.
I could just tell watching it.
First time I was watching Nate Bargatze's first one on there, I paused it at like 15 minutes, and I was like, you're about to go do Big Rooms.
He was like, I hope so.
I go, no, definitely.
joe rogan
Nate Barganzi just sold out 19,000 seats.
tom segura
Yeah, like the Bridgestone or whatever it's called, yeah.
I mean, I feel like you watch them.
And I felt the same thing when I saw Shane's YouTube special.
I remember I go, dude, I... It was like, after the 15 minute mark, I was like, I'm really into it.
Like, I could tell the way I was watching it.
I was like, oh, this is really good.
joe rogan
Yeah.
tom segura
And I watched the whole thing.
I was like, I'd never sit through specials.
I was just laughing the whole time.
I was like, these are all such good.
Like, I was so engaged, so entertained.
Laughing, I was like, this is legit a really good special.
joe rogan
Yeah.
tom segura
You can just tell sometimes.
joe rogan
Yeah, you can tell sometimes.
It's nice.
It's a good time for comedy.
A lot of good comedy going on.
Shane's new shit's funnier than ever.
It's way funnier than his YouTube special.
His YouTube special is amazing.
His new shit is fucking insane.
tom segura
That's great.
joe rogan
It's insane.
tom segura
I think that shoots soon.
I think that's what it is.
joe rogan
He just shot it.
tom segura
Oh, he shot it.
joe rogan
He just shot it in San Diego.
tom segura
Oh, great.
joe rogan
Yeah.
Like last week.
tom segura
That'll be huge for him.
unidentified
Yeah.
tom segura
It's amazing what that YouTube one did for him, though.
joe rogan
I know.
It's a wild time...
Did you see that Roseanne's podcast with Theo got pulled from YouTube for hate speech?
tom segura
That's so funny.
I had something with them like a year or two ago.
joe rogan
This is so insane.
I'm going to send this to you, Jamie, so we can go over what it is that got them banned.
Because...
It's so crazy, I can't even understand it.
I don't even understand how this could possibly be real.
I'm gonna send it to you here.
So here is the...
There's a thing on Twitter.
He put it on Twitter now because that's really the only place you could put something like that if it gets pulled from YouTube, which is...
tom segura
So they pulled the whole episode, though?
joe rogan
They pulled the whole episode for this.
For this clip.
So we're gonna watch this clip.
And this is—it's really—I just don't understand how someone could think that this kind of censorship is okay.
tom segura
Well, hopefully, like, they'll go through the—if you go through the flagging process— I don't know.
joe rogan
Let's go.
He's—it can't post for a week.
Go full screen, please.
roseanne barr
In 2012, one of my platform things was I will outlaw bullshit.
unidentified
Yeah.
roseanne barr
Because, you know, and I know that horrified people because what will they do now?
unidentified
Right.
roseanne barr
They're addicted to it.
They'd rather have that than food or a happy family.
They're so addicted to their fucking bullshit.
unidentified
It's true, huh?
roseanne barr
But, you know, comics, I think, we're the less free speech art form.
And as long as we're performing, things end as bad as they could be.
You know?
I think that's true.
theo von
As long as we're performing, things aren't as bad as they could be.
And that's always been the case throughout time, like with jesters or with people that we try and speak up and share.
There's always been a ceiling on speech, hasn't there, in a way?
roseanne barr
Of course.
Nobody wants to hear the real truth.
They're horrified.
They're ready to go with bullshit.
It's easier.
Like, for the real truth that, you know, and I'm glad that they did set up all these guidelines so that we only are allowed to speak the truth.
And the truth is that Biden got 81 million votes by winning 36 counties.
Yeah.
That is just incredible.
It really, really is.
Of these 81 million supporters who gave him more votes than any president has ever gotten before, he came with a mandate from these 81 million voters.
I'm just glad that they...
We're very careful to make sure that nobody could detract from that proven truth.
You know what I mean?
unidentified
Like, what do you mean?
Like that nobody...
joe rogan
Theo's not getting it?
unidentified
Yeah.
roseanne barr
That they mandated that that was the truth and that nobody could say, well, what about no?
theo von
Oh, it was made a mandate?
roseanne barr
Yeah.
joe rogan
Oh, I didn't know that.
theo von
So the government made it a mandate?
roseanne barr
Yeah, because, you know, YouTube did and so did all the social...
theo von
Oh, so you can't speak, you can't even speak on that in those platforms.
roseanne barr
No, you can't say, you know...
unidentified
That it wasn't.
roseanne barr
You can't say that, like, you know...
The election was rigged or...
Yeah, that's all a lie.
The election was not rigged.
36 counties can give you 81 million votes.
unidentified
Right.
roseanne barr
That's a fact.
joe rogan
So it wasn't rigged.
roseanne barr
Of course not.
36 counties have 81 million people in them.
See?
That's the truth.
And don't you dare say anything against it or you'll be off YouTube, Facebook, Twitter, and all the other ones because there's such a thing as the truth and facts and we have to stick to it.
unidentified
It's scary.
roseanne barr
And that is the truth.
And nobody died in the Holocaust either.
That's the truth.
It should happen.
Six million Jews should die right now because they cause all the problems in the world, but it never happened.
But it never happened.
Mandated.
unidentified
Well, you're...
joe rogan
First of all, she is 100%.
roseanne barr
I'm all Jewish.
You're all Jewish.
unidentified
100%.
theo von
And a lot of Hollywood is Jewish, yeah?
unidentified
It's like a...
theo von
A lot of Hollywood is a Jewish business, really.
unidentified
Well, they started Hollywood.
roseanne barr
Yeah.
unidentified
Right.
So was it weird that...
roseanne barr
Just like rap.
Black people started rap.
unidentified
Yeah.
roseanne barr
So I wouldn't go over there and try to get in rap and go, all these black people, you know, go on Saturday Night Live like Dave Chappelle.
I'm just saying a lot of black people are in control of rap.
joe rogan
Right.
roseanne barr
Hello?
unidentified
What?
roseanne barr
Well, you went there.
unidentified
Yeah.
roseanne barr
You tried to get in show business.
Of course it's Jewish.
But, you know, and people should be glad that it's Jewish too because if Jews were not controlling Hollywood, all you'd have was fucking fishing shows.
unidentified
Yeah.
Yeah.
roseanne barr
See what I'm saying?
tom segura
That's hilarious.
joe rogan
So that...
tom segura
That's kind of a full ride.
joe rogan
That got them pulled.
The episode pulled and he can't post for a week and it's a strike against his account.
tom segura
And it's all based on the actual Holocaust line for sure.
joe rogan
It has to be.
But she's Jewish.
tom segura
She is.
joe rogan
It's obvious she's Jewish.
She's always been Jewish.
tom segura
It's also obvious if you're listening that when she says that the Holocaust, and that like that many Jews should die.
joe rogan
And that she said it after she said this thing where she's clearly poking fun at Biden saying, but by the way, I think you can I don't know the math.
Is that real?
How many counties did Biden win?
Does that matter?
Look, if you don't think that people voted for Biden because they hated Trump and that 81 million people hated Trump...
You're not paying attention.
tom segura
Yes.
joe rogan
It's like, I don't know if there was some shenanigans with the election.
I guarantee you it wasn't zero percent.
tom segura
Yeah.
joe rogan
If you said, how much voter fraud was it?
It's never zero.
tom segura
But it's never zero.
Right, ever.
It's never zero.
But it's also, if you do all the research that you can, the valid studies and reports, even from hardcore pro-Republican counties, It's like fractional voter fraud.
People like to...
joe rogan
Right.
It's probably zealots that work inside the organization that figured out a way to like, oh, this county's got to...
Let's hide these ballots.
tom segura
It's not substantial.
jamie vernon
It was a very small amount of counties.
I don't know about 36 being accurate.
joe rogan
Okay, so with over 81 million votes, Biden received the most votes of any presidential candidate in history.
It's also true that he won a record low number of counties, but counties vary by population size from those with a few hundred people to others with millions of residents.
So, county wins don't correlate with popular vote.
Right.
But if you only win 30, if you have 81 million votes and 31 counties, how many?
36. 36 counties?
jamie vernon
That's what she was saying.
In this, it says that he won 477 counties and Trump won 2,000 counties or something like that.
joe rogan
Oh, so he won 477. Yeah.
That's a lot more than 31. It's different than what she was saying.
Okay.
So why was she saying that?
tom segura
She probably got just that information wrong.
jamie vernon
509 versus 2,500.
joe rogan
Oh, so he won 509. That's a lot of counties.
That makes sense.
Look, I know people that voted for Biden that wish they didn't now.
But I do know a lot of people who voted for Biden.
I don't know whether or not Look, there's some real problems with these voting machines.
tom segura
I mean, the other thing that that article is saying right there that you were looking at said that Trump won like 2,400 counties.
joe rogan
Right.
tom segura
So it's substantially higher number of counties, but he's also winning a lot of those counties in like rural areas.
joe rogan
Yeah, like they were saying.
tom segura
Yeah.
joe rogan
But there was a thing that they just released about the Dominion voting system, that it's susceptible to being hacked.
What was that?
See if you can find that.
There's something that just got released about the Dominion system.
tom segura
Did I tell you about when we got one, by the way, YouTube struck us?
joe rogan
Struck you guys?
For what?
tom segura
We had a guest on.
This is like on a...
This was like a couple years ago.
And the guest, I think it was Derek Del Guido, I think that's how you say his name.
I don't want to get it wrong.
But he was telling me about growing up and how he was getting taunted at school.
This was like a serious conversation.
And he's like, yeah, you know, getting bullied at school.
Kids are calling me a fag.
Blah, blah, blah.
Took the episode down.
Hate speech.
Wow.
But he's telling the story about being bullied.
joe rogan
Georgia won't update vulnerable Dominion software until after 2024 election.
See, that was it.
There's something about the software being vulnerable.
This is on CNN. Georgia election officials have been aware of existing vulnerabilities in the state's voting software for more than two years but continue to insist the system is safe and won't be updated until after 2024, according to a report that was unsealed this week.
As part of a controversial court case in Georgia, the report's findings focus on weaknesses in software for certain Dominion voting machines.
Those weaknesses were previously verified by federal cybersecurity officials who urged election officials across the country to update their systems.
A lawyer for Georgia's top election official, Republican Secretary of State Brad Raffensperger, Recently told a federal court that officials would forego installing Dominion security patches until after the 2024 presidential election.
Why?
The Georgia election officials insist that it's highly unlikely that the vulnerabilities will be exploited in real attacks.
Well, when you fucking write about it on CNN, doesn't that make it more likely?
tom segura
I mean, yeah, why are you sharing this?
joe rogan
Upgrading the system would be a massive undertaking, and our election officials are evaluating the scope of and time required for the project.
Mike Hassinger, a spokesperson for the Georgia Secretary of State's office, told CNN when asked about the delay.
So they might do it.
tom segura
And also, we're spending this time evaluating.
joe rogan
Right.
It's extremely unlikely that any bad actor will be able to exploit our voting systems in the real world.
The system is secure.
tom segura
Oh, well, if you say so.
joe rogan
Gabriel Sterling, a top election official in the Georgia Secretary of State's office, said in a press release from earlier this month, adding that safeguards are already in place to mitigate these hypothetical scenarios from happening.
Well, I'll sleep like a baby now.
tom segura
Yeah, Georgia's fine.
joe rogan
Yeah, man.
They're people, right?
And the same kind of fucking people that don't put their syrup in a chilled container and don't have an extra big straw.
Yeah, those fucking people, they work for Jack in the Box.
tom segura
That's right.
joe rogan
That's right.
You get that bullshit-ass Diet Coke.
tom segura
This seems like you'll reference this article when something does happen and the system is exploited.
joe rogan
And they'll go, well, we weren't aware...
tom segura
Well, that's the first that I've even heard of them even, like, sharing how vulnerable their system is.
I've never heard that.
joe rogan
The systems are vulnerable because they're electronic.
tom segura
Yeah.
joe rogan
You know?
And, like, I would imagine, like, all systems...
tom segura
Yeah, electronic.
Anything.
joe rogan
Yeah, it's a computer system people get in.
But that was a big thing with the Republicans.
This is a Republican too, right?
This is a Republican.
But that was a big thing with the Republicans back when W was president.
Because there was people that thought that John Kerry should have won.
Remember that?
That was the dangling chads.
Remember that shit?
tom segura
Yeah, dangling chads was...
Was it Kerry and then George W? Wasn't it?
joe rogan
Yeah, I think it was Kerry.
tom segura
Or was it him and Gore?
joe rogan
Maybe it was Gore.
jamie vernon
There's a slightly different thing in the chat.
joe rogan
Yeah, I think it was Gore.
jamie vernon
Voting machines in Ohio.
There's a giant book with tons of data about this that I've found way since and after the fact.
But it was too late.
They were like, sorry, it's too late.
Everything's already happened.
joe rogan
Okay, look at this.
In 2006, Ohio became the poster child for bad election administration when two lengthy reports examining, say that word, Cuyahoga County's election procedures uncovered multiple serious problems The county lost 812 voter access cards that allowed a voter to cast a ballot on machines.
It also lost 313 keys to the memory card compartments where the votes are stored on the machines.
Oh, Jesus Christ.
And pick up the memory cards that contain the votes.
Wow.
jamie vernon
They hired taxi drivers.
joe rogan
They hired taxi drivers to drive to election precincts and pick up the memory cards that contain the votes.
Taxi drivers!
Cracked out taxi drivers.
unidentified
Cleveland.
joe rogan
So there was a documentary that HBO had on called Hacking Democracy, and it was about the Diebold machines.
Do you remember the Diebold machines?
tom segura
I remember that name.
I don't remember when that was.
joe rogan
Diebold is a company that made voter machines.
I think they made ATMs too.
Because I remember seeing an ATM machine and thinking about that documentary.
But they showed in the documentary that the machines were exploitable by a third party.
And that there was a third party access.
It's like a third party could alter the vote.
And they altered the vote on the machine on the show.
tom segura
On the show.
joe rogan
They showed on the show how they did it.
tom segura
But we didn't...
We don't have widespread abuse of this in the last election.
I mean, from everything that I've read and seen, it's not been reported that this is, even from, like I'm saying, from Republican counties.
joe rogan
It's not something that I've heard where it's compelling enough for me to say that I know that that's what happened.
U.S. finds no evidence flaws in Dominion voting machines were ever exploited.
Well, if they're really good at exploiting it, would you know that you got exploited?
And if you were exploited, would you tell everybody they were exploited and Trump should have actually won when that guy's been screaming like a maniac for four years?
tom segura
Yeah, he sure has.
joe rogan
They stole my election.
They stole my election.
It was a rigged election.
Even if it wasn't rigged.
tom segura
He's still saying it.
joe rogan
But even if it wasn't rigged, let's say it wasn't rigged.
Let's say it was a fair and that's who won and that's how it was going to be.
Biden won.
For sure it was rigged by the media.
For sure.
Just the Hunter Biden laptop case and the Russia collusion case.
Just those two things.
Just those two narratives that they knew were not true, that they pushed out In front of everybody.
And that we know, you know, had to do with trying to get rid of Trump.
That was a big...
tom segura
One over-reporting and one under-reporting.
joe rogan
Yeah.
That is, in many ways, that's...
tom segura
That's an attempt to...
joe rogan
Manipulation.
It's manipulation of a public narrative.
It's manipulation of what the people think is real and not real.
Everybody thought he was in collusion with Russia.
It's what everybody thought.
They were just...
All these mainstream, except Fox News, they were the only ones that weren't pushing it.
Everybody else was pushing it.
tom segura
Yeah.
It was sold hard.
joe rogan
Yeah.
And it was not true.
And it's proven to be not true.
And then there's the Hunter Biden laptop thing, which they knew was true.
And they said it wasn't true.
And they told you that they stopped people from sharing it on social media.
They stopped people from sharing it on Twitter.
Zuckerberg sat in that very chair and said that the FBI contacted Facebook and told them that it was Russian disinformation.
They were getting a bunch of Russian disinformation.
So they limited the spread of that.
I don't know how they did it.
I don't know exactly what they did to limit the distribution of that.
tom segura
The FBI is involved in that.
joe rogan
It's wild shit, dude.
unidentified
It's pretty wild.
joe rogan
It's wild shit.
And no one cares.
No one's up in arms.
No one's freaking out.
Because that is a way that you're going to rig an election without rigging an election.
Whether you like that guy or not, we have to follow the rules.
We have to.
And if we don't follow the rules because we don't like somebody, and we break the law because we don't like somebody, we don't want them to win.
tom segura
No, I agree.
joe rogan
Now this is Banana Republic shit.
tom segura
Yeah, that's not cool at all.
joe rogan
That's scary.
And the fact that they were willing to do that and that there's no oversight, that no one can stop them from doing that.
And then there's no punishment for them doing that.
tom segura
This also speaks to like how much he's despised by this.
joe rogan
Despised.
tom segura
I mean, it's really other level.
joe rogan
Yeah, he fucked up.
He fucked up.
Well, he was, I mean, you remember there was a time where Chuck Schumer was on one of those shows talking about how stupid it is to attack the intelligence community.
I mean he was openly saying it like they have 18 ways to Sunday to get you.
tom segura
Yeah.
joe rogan
Yeah, and Guess what?
That's what they did.
Yeah, you know and but the fact that they did it like It's not good because it's the same thing that I feel about like the censorship thing with social media if someone is spreading some sort of fake information on purpose to hurt other people that's one thing and But if someone is just saying something that you don't like them to say or something that's disputed or something that seems to not be agreed upon by certain people
but then there are also experts in the field that do agree.
You've got to let people talk that through, because if you don't, and you silence debate, and it turns out you were wrong, like the Hunter Biden laptop story, or like Russia, if you were wrong, and you were ruining people's social media channels, ruining people's YouTube channels, ruining public discourse, changing the way people think about something, well, you have a responsibility to not do that again.
Now you know you did that, and this is why that is dangerous.
Censorship is always dangerous.
tom segura
And then when they censor and it's like undeniable, you usually just get like a lower third.
joe rogan
Yeah, sorry, whoops.
tom segura
We didn't mean to do that.
joe rogan
We fucked up.
Yeah, I mean, it's gross.
It's gross and they don't understand that it undermines something that is already a problem.
And that's public belief in mainstream media.
The general public has lost a tremendous amount of faith in the news and what they're saying and what's true and experts and all sorts of things.
And then it was all exaggerated greatly by the pandemic.
People that were...
Just hardcore lefties are now like moving to Texas.
tom segura
Yeah.
joe rogan
People that were like, I am getting out of here.
This is fucking crazy.
I see where this goes now.
tom segura
A huge shift has happened.
joe rogan
And people that are like closet Republicans now that come up to me because they think I'm one.
Did they tell me I'm voting red?
And I'm like, well, I don't want...
That's not what you have to do.
You just got to get good people that really actually do care and aren't bought and paid for and actually have a fucking plan to unite people and not strengthen this one side to fight against the other side, but bring everybody together and make everybody realize our differences are so small in comparison to the things we have in common and the things we want and the things that will help everyone's life.
tom segura
Yeah.
joe rogan
And then we have to think that way.
We have to think as a collective group.
We have to think as a community.
tom segura
A lot of people just don't want to think that somebody can have differing points of view about a range of topics.
joe rogan
Yep.
tom segura
So they go like, oh, if you are pro-gun, that means you must be pro all these other things, right?
unidentified
Right.
tom segura
And you're like, not everybody really falls into that.
joe rogan
No.
tom segura
People have...
All different types of points of views.
It can be about any number of things.
It can be fiscally, like how the government should spend money.
It could be about your civil rights.
Yeah, it could be guns and abortion.
But that's not what defines people.
joe rogan
No, it shouldn't.
But it does because there's these predetermined patterns of thinking and ideas that people adopt.
When they join an ideology, whether they join a progressive ideology or a conservative ideology, in order to be in the group, you have to espouse a certain amount of things.
And I see people say it when they might not even believe it.
tom segura
Oh, that's the big one.
That's the one that actually is kind of the most disheartening.
joe rogan
Yeah.
tom segura
Is when you talk to somebody.
You can see it in person.
And they're just saying the right thing.
joe rogan
Yep.
tom segura
Like, this is what my group says to say.
joe rogan
Yeah.
tom segura
And you can just look them in the eyes and be like, you don't even believe what you're saying right now.
joe rogan
Yeah.
The real one with me is Republicans and gay rights.
The people that are anti-gay rights that are Republican, they think that all gay people are groomers.
Some people are just people who love people of the same sex.
tom segura
Yeah.
joe rogan
That has always existed.
tom segura
That's just what makes them come.
That's the only thing about them.
joe rogan
Well, and they're in love.
tom segura
No, but I'm saying when you go like, what's at the foundation of this?
It's that what arouses somebody is just different than what arouses you.
That's it.
joe rogan
Yeah.
And they've existed throughout history.
tom segura
Yeah.
joe rogan
The idea that there's something wrong with that just because you don't like it.
unidentified
Yeah.
joe rogan
That to me is nuts from the people that are supposed to be about personal choice and freedom.
tom segura
Yeah.
joe rogan
That's what drives me nuts.
tom segura
And you don't think that somebody else deserves to be in love with who they love?
And come super hard inside of them?
joe rogan
Yeah, but imagine if it was the gay thing that you had to do.
And heterosexuality was rare.
tom segura
Yeah.
joe rogan
And heterosexuality is like, look at these fucking losers.
tom segura
Yeah.
joe rogan
Breeding.
What are you going to have, a baby, you fucking idiots?
unidentified
Yeah.
joe rogan
Like, oh my god.
Like, you know, that would be horrible.
unidentified
Yeah.
joe rogan
That's exactly what it's like if you're gay.
That's the difference.
tom segura
No, it's crazy that we're even having that conversation.
joe rogan
But they feel like they have to have that.
some some people especially if they want to attract the the religious people the very like devout Christians yeah there's a lot of people that feel like you have to take yeah is the dumbest stance ever It really is.
Everybody in every community should be judged on an individual basis.
You shouldn't say, oh, the straight people do this, the gays do that.
Like, that's stupid.
That's stupid.
And to say you don't want them to have the same rights that you have, That's bananas.
tom segura
Yeah, that even exists.
It's crazy.
joe rogan
And it's still being discussed.
The people are talking about rescinding gay marriage.
Now that they got rid of Roe v.
Wade, they're talking about getting, like, you're out of your fucking mind.
tom segura
What does that get you?
joe rogan
I think it's one of those things, like we were talking about before.
Like, if you were a conspiracy theorist, you wanted people to be upset about things, it's one more social hot button.
It's a giant distraction.
tom segura
And now you're not paying attention to things that matter.
joe rogan
It's a giant distraction.
And anybody that wants to argue that, they should be forced to argue with someone who makes this rational sort of argument against it.
It's stupid.
It's stupid from a perspective of someone who values freedom.
Yeah.
We know gay people.
We know a lot of gay people.
They love it.
They love cock.
They love it.
They can't wait to get a fat cock in their mouth.
unidentified
Well, how could you not?
tom segura
They're delicious.
joe rogan
I heard.
tom segura
Yeah.
joe rogan
I heard they're delicious.
tom segura
I've heard too.
joe rogan
But to say that that's a choice, like you're out of your fucking mind.
It's just, it's not.
I mean, it may be with some people, and that's fine too.
Do whatever the fuck you want.
If you want to just try it out, try it out.
tom segura
Try it out.
joe rogan
That guy.
unidentified
What's that guy?
tom segura
RPC. He's really mad at me.
joe rogan
He's mad at you?
tom segura
So mad at me.
joe rogan
Why?
I thought he came on your show.
He's your friend.
tom segura
He's flipped.
joe rogan
When did he flip?
tom segura
In the last couple of months.
joe rogan
What happened?
Did you do something different?
tom segura
No, he's just like, he first...
He calls me, in every post, he calls me Tom Ham Sandwich Segura.
So that's what he writes.
joe rogan
Why Ham Sandwich?
unidentified
I don't know.
I don't know.
That's funny.
tom segura
But every post, he's like, okay, Tom Ham Sandwich.
He goes, you didn't write that book.
I wrote a book.
He's like, you didn't write that book.
It's all fake story.
Like, just like...
joe rogan
Oh, so he's schizophrenic?
Yeah.
tom segura
And he's just like, I don't, you know...
joe rogan
Well, the kind of guy who invites guys to come over his house and beat him up and fuck him.
tom segura
Piss him and beat, yeah.
joe rogan
What does he invite them to do?
tom segura
Piss on them, beat them, fuck them.
joe rogan
Try it out.
tom segura
Try it out.
Just give it a try.
joe rogan
And he tells them they could stay in his house.
tom segura
Yeah, you get a free lease and a key.
There's food.
You can bring friends.
joe rogan
Did anybody take him up on that?
tom segura
I don't think so.
Really?
unidentified
Yeah.
tom segura
That's how you know you're crazy.
And he gives out his full address and phone number in post.
Like, here's my full address.
unidentified
Wow.
tom segura
Here's my phone number.
Just come over.
joe rogan
He's trying to get raped.
tom segura
Yeah, he literally asks for it.
joe rogan
Did you ever hear about the drug called Re-Equip?
Re-Equip is a drug that was a Parkinson's medication and this guy won a court case against, I believe it was GlaxoSmithKline.
Because he took this stuff.
He was a normal heterosexual guy.
He took this stuff and became a gay sex and gambling addict.
He was having all these crazy...
I think it's called a dopamine agonist.
I think that's what the...
tom segura
It changed his brain chemistry.
joe rogan
It did something to him where he could not stop gambling and sucking cock.
And he was picking up guys off of Craigslist.
And he was having impromptu meetings.
And he got raped by two different guys.
tom segura
Sounds like a great excuse to try something else out.
joe rogan
That's what I'm saying.
unidentified
Yeah.
joe rogan
But apparently, this is not unheard of.
So much so that he actually won in court.
unidentified
Really?
joe rogan
Yeah, see if you can find the court case.
jamie vernon
I have the court case.
I was trying to find the wording of what he...
joe rogan
Yeah, so this guy just couldn't stop gambling.
He was off the fucking rails with gambling and just wanted to fuck guys and meet guys and chance crazy, dangerous encounters.
He was into danger.
tom segura
And it was all because his brain chemistry changed from his drug.
joe rogan
Something happened when he got on his Parkinson's drug.
tom segura
So he was a Parkinson's patient?
joe rogan
Yes, he was a Parkinson's patient.
tom segura
Holy shit.
joe rogan
Yeah.
So he's got a little shaky hand.
Next thing you know, he's sucking cock and playing bingo.
He just fucking fell all in.
tom segura
Jesus Christ.
joe rogan
All in, man.
tom segura
It feels like a...
joe rogan
Loving husband who claimed Parkinson's drug turned him into a gay sex addict, wins $160,000 compensation in French court.
But he's French.
You never know.
He turned him into a gambler and sex addict who sold his children's toys for cash.
His wife, who stood by him throughout, was with him as he wept with relief.
In court after the ruling.
Imagine if a fucking drug does that to you.
A Parkinson sufferer has won a six-figure payout against a drug giant after his medication turned him into a gay sex and gambling addict.
By the way, not a lot of money.
160 grand to get fucked by a bunch of dudes?
Yeah, how many did he get?
Within two years of taking the drug re-equip, he was so addicted to both his vices he sold his children's toys to raise money and advertised himself on the internet for sex.
He's now been given $160,000 in damages after a court in...
How do you say that?
Rennes.
unidentified
France.
joe rogan
Rennes.
France upheld his claims.
Wild.
tom segura
That is...
joe rogan
Is that him?
tom segura
I think that's him right there.
joe rogan
That's the guy?
Oh, my God.
What a look of regret.
tom segura
Yeah.
joe rogan
Look at that guy's face.
He's like...
Jesus Christ.
unidentified
Come taste bad.
What the fuck did you make me do?
joe rogan
Poor guy.
unidentified
Jesus.
Whew.
joe rogan
Woo!
Okay, what does it say about the drug itself?
tom segura
Oh, they increased the damages.
joe rogan
Yeah.
Okay, hold on a second.
The court increased the level of damage to $197,468.83 euros after finding out there was serious, precise, and corroborated evidence to blame his transformation on re-equipped.
unidentified
Wow!
joe rogan
Yeah.
It's been a seven-year battle with our limited means in recognition of the fact that GSK lied to us and shattered our lives.
What does it say about the drug?
Scroll down.
Does it say anything about the drug or how the drug does that?
I would want to know how it does that.
What is that stuff?
tom segura
Well, it looks like he said...
joe rogan
Oh my god!
It says, in total he gambled away a total of 82,000 euros, so he still only made 80 grand.
Mostly placing internet bets on horse races and engaged in frantic search for gay sex.
Frantic!
He began exhibiting himself on the internet websites and arranging encounters, one of which results in him being raped.
I thought he was raped twice.
unidentified
Jesus.
Once.
joe rogan
He said his family had not understood what was going on at first, but his behavior turned to normal when he stumbled upon a website that made the link between re-equip and addictions in 2005, and he stopped taking the drug.
He said, my life was hell.
It still is because you cannot forget a catastrophe like that.
Look at his face.
You can't fake that.
tom segura
No.
It also feels like if you're gay curious, you can blame it on re-equip if you can get your hands on some.
joe rogan
It said the court had heard warnings that re-equip side effects had been made public in 2006. Mr. Jambert said the GSK should have informed patients earlier.
He conceded that re-equip was a good medicine and offered undeniable solutions to people with Parkinson's disease.
Hmm.
Okay.
During the trial, GlaxoSmithKline said it had serious doubts that Mr. Jambert had developed his addictions after taking the drug.
unidentified
Hmm.
joe rogan
I would have serious doubts, too, if I fought something in court for seven years.
tom segura
But, I mean, for the court to agree?
joe rogan
Is this another one?
jamie vernon
Well, so that article was from 2012, I guess, when it happened.
This is like a more update from 2015. But this is Pfizer.
joe rogan
This is Pfizer settles lawsuits.
Do they own GlaxoSmithKline now?
unidentified
I don't know.
jamie vernon
This could be a similar drug or something different.
That's why I was kind of...
I didn't click this one first.
joe rogan
It says, Pfizer settles lawsuits tying sex and gambling addictions to dopamine meds.
Class action litigation brought by patients who claim drugmaker did not adequately warn them of the side effects of drugs they were taking to treat their Parkinson's disease or restless leg syndrome.
While this kind of litigation is routine, the side effects were not.
Instead, patients were said the drugs created addictions they didn't previously have, patients said, rather, the drugs created addictions they didn't previously have, causing them to gamble with their life savings or become obsessed with shopping or sex.
tom segura
Holy shit, so this is definitely triggering something.
unidentified
Yeah.
joe rogan
The confidential settlement with 172 patients, said to be for millions of dollars, was approved by a judge in federal court in Australia.
The Financial Review reports, although payments were delayed until they were assessed by an independent review, Pfizer had agreed to the settlement late last year ahead of the trial of cases brought by people who took Pfizer's Cabocer and Dostinex between 1996 and 2010 treat tremors associated with Parkinson's disease or RLS. That makes sense if you've got a neural...
Yeah, dopamine agonist.
The drugs work by providing dopamine agonists that imitate the effects of dopamine in the brain, something Parkinson's patients lack.
A study published last year in JAMA Internal Medicine found that the psychiatric side effects of uncontrollable urges were not as rare as first believed and That makes sense.
tom segura
Yeah.
That's so terrifying.
joe rogan
Okay, yeah.
Labels on dopamine agonist class that includes Reequip from GlaxoSmithKline, UCB's Nupro, and Meropex from Boehringer Ingelheim?
tom segura
Boehringer Ingelheim.
joe rogan
Boehringer Ingelheim.
The German company was sued by a New York man some years back who said that taking the drug had turned him into a pathological gambler.
Who ruined him as he gambled away $3 million.
Fuck!
Wow.
unidentified
Wow.
tom segura
I'd never heard about that.
unidentified
Wow.
tom segura
That's like...
joe rogan
Gambling addicts are wild to be around, man.
You saw Uncut Gems, right?
unidentified
Yeah.
joe rogan
Adam Sandler movie?
tom segura
Yeah, he was great in that.
unidentified
Great.
joe rogan
Great movie, though.
But what a great movie to show what those people are like.
If you've ever been around one of those people.
tom segura
I've talked to a couple, and they...
Yeah, they just talk about the impossible to quit drawing.
I know one that's like, it is substantial.
joe rogan
Sports?
tom segura
I know a sports guy and I know a blackjack guy.
Oh, yeah?
joe rogan
How bad?
tom segura
Unbelievable.
joe rogan
Does he have money?
tom segura
Not anymore.
joe rogan
Oh boy.
tom segura
Millions.
Millions.
joe rogan
Dana White's a degenerate gambler.
tom segura
Yeah.
joe rogan
He gets kicked out of casinos for winning too much.
tom segura
I remember I saw a video about it.
unidentified
Yeah.
tom segura
Like how some of the casinos were like, uh-uh.
The one thing I've learned is I liked...
joe rogan
Is that funny that they can do that?
tom segura
Yeah.
joe rogan
Yeah, you're too good at this.
tom segura
You know, the other thing that's fucking hilarious about, like, we did some Blackjack on tour in different casinos all over the place.
It's like, you put your money down, and it's like, whoop, give you your chips, right?
And a couple times I came out ahead, like, had good...
Blackjack really...
I mean, there's by the book...
But you realize you get good shoes.
A shoe is what they pull the cards from.
You really do get good shoes and bad shoes.
Every time, you're winning.
And then there's shoes where every hand you lose.
And you're playing by the book or maybe you're taking risks.
It's like that dealer keeps hitting 20 or 21 based on pulling out the cards.
And then there's times where it happens to you.
But these days where you come out ahead, you know, you win five grand, you're like, oh, that's great.
Then you go to cash out and they're like, I had the casinos go, where did you win this?
I'm like, what are you fucking talking about?
Where did I win this?
Here.
And they're like, what game were you playing?
And I'm like, blackjack.
Where?
I'm like, fucking right over there.
Hold on.
Calling people, you know, verifying.
joe rogan
Why did he win?
Yeah.
tom segura
And then they go, all right, hold on.
All right, now you need to fill out this information.
You got to give them all your information.
Give us your ID. I mean, you're sitting there 20 minutes later like, am I going to get this money?
And they're like, yeah, hold on.
And then another guy comes in the back and talks to them.
They talk in private.
OK. It's like a 20, 30 minute thing to get paid.
Then they give you your cash.
And then the funny thing is, we noticed this a couple times.
When I would win, we're all walking as a group back to the hotel, and like a pit boss cuts us off.
And they're like, how you doing?
And you're like, good.
And they're like, do you want to come over here?
They're trying to get you to come right back, right away.
It's like you won and they don't want you to.
We have this private table over here if you guys want to keep playing.
joe rogan
How much are we talking about?
tom segura
I mean, less than 10,000 winning.
But like thousands, right?
So it's not affecting their bottom line.
But it's just like this whole thing of you go, well, first of all, this is really hard to get paid.
I think this would be like a simple, here's the chips.
Your chips.
joe rogan
This is not Vegas.
tom segura
No, this wasn't Vegas.
joe rogan
Yeah, I think that's the thing.
I think there's some fugazi casinos out there.
tom segura
And then they go like, why don't you just keep playing?
Wow.
And they're like, okay.
I think I'm good for the day.
And they're like, okay, well, you know, just come back whenever you're ready.
If you want to come back really soon, that'd be great.
unidentified
Wow.
tom segura
Yeah.
joe rogan
They're trying to get you to stay.
tom segura
They want that money.
They don't want that loss.
unidentified
Wow.
tom segura
Yeah, no, Vegas definitely.
joe rogan
Also, if you're a gambling junkie and someone comes up to you and you're like, I'm going to do this.
I'm going to get out of here with this money.
Like one, the pull's strong, but I can go.
And then someone comes along and goes, why don't you play right here?
And you're like, why don't I play right here?
I wanted to bet it all on one fucking hand.
tom segura
That fucking feeling, too.
It is funny how a couple times I went to the high limit room, and I'm still, you know, this is not crazy numbers, but I would put like a few hundred down, and you win, you're like, whoa.
You get that hit, and then you double it, you know, so then you kind of go, you're holding on to the guy next, you're like, ah, and you win again.
Oh, my fucking god.
You see how if you're wired for that...
joe rogan
Especially the craps table.
I don't understand craps, but you're the life of the party if you're winning people money.
tom segura
They're having the best time.
It's fucking Ibiza over there.
joe rogan
Rolling dice, let's go!
tom segura
Screaming, cheering, yeah.
You gotta know how to play that game, too.
You know we're...
Oh, yeah.
joe rogan
That game is fucking cool.
Complicated.
tom segura
The low ball and the high yo.
unidentified
What's happening?
joe rogan
What are you saying?
How did you learn this?
This is a complicated game to get in on.
tom segura
All these little side bets within the bet?
unidentified
Yeah.
tom segura
I know there's the come line.
Which is hilarious.
Yeah, I know.
joe rogan
Literally called the come line.
tom segura
The come line.
And then they go, that's all you need to know.
But then you play with someone who knows them.
They're doing 10 other side bets.
joe rogan
How is it still called the come line?
unidentified
I don't know.
tom segura
First guy ever.
joe rogan
What does it mean?
What does it mean?
tom segura
Blue his load there.
joe rogan
What does it mean?
Find out.
Why is it the come line?
jamie vernon
I think I've read this before and it didn't make any sense.
tom segura
I don't know.
I don't know what that means.
joe rogan
It's probably like the Flintstones, like gay old time.
Old timey.
tom segura
I know a guy.
joe rogan
Different way of talking.
The come is a bet made by a player after the point is established.
By placing a wager in the come, the wager will travel to the box number which is rolled next.
To win a come bet, the number that the wager traveled to must roll a second time before a seven.
tom segura
Get it?
jamie vernon
I think you're betting on point hitting again, essentially, but I might have overcomplicated it.
tom segura
Do you want to come or not?
joe rogan
I'm too dumb for that game.
I'm too dumb and disinterested.
tom segura
I know, a guy won $60,000 doing that on just a fucking Saturday night.
joe rogan
Do you know what he's doing?
tom segura
Yeah.
joe rogan
How do you learn?
Imagine how much ADD would kick in if you were at a craps lesson.
I would not remember any of it.
I'd be like...
tom segura
I think it's probably just over and over seeing it.
You start to go, okay.
And then you get the confidence to do that come bet.
jamie vernon
But then those side bets is like, I think the problem with it, too, is you're betting against the table a lot, too, because I think it hits if it's 7 or 11, and that's craps, so people don't even want to think about that a lot of times.
But sometimes you'll find a rebel who comes up to the table and just throws a bunch of money on that come bet, and you're like, hey, what is this fucking guy doing?
And then it hits, and you're like, well, he's not wrong, but it's going against everybody else on the table.
tom segura
It is a silly amount of money, though.
joe rogan
You can play a come bet only after a point is made on a come-out roll.
It's more complicated, but you don't have to place a pass line bet.
You win if the next roll is a 7 or 11, or if the come point is repeated before a 7. You lose if the next roll is a 2, 3, 12, or if a 7 is rolled before the come point is repeated.
tom segura
Right?
unidentified
Wow.
tom segura
I watched it explained on a YouTube video.
It was a YouTube for a moron.
Like, here's how to play this game.
joe rogan
Did they explain it in a way that I would understand it?
tom segura
Well, at the end, I was like, I'm definitely not playing craps.
I was like, this is way too fucking...
jamie vernon
I won money and played for four and a half hours one night.
joe rogan
Yeah?
jamie vernon
I have no idea how I was winning money.
Did you win a good match back?
At the time, for me, it was a ton.
I was like, I can go buy an Xbox now.
I was so happy.
I just copied some guy that had way more money than everybody else on the table.
I'm doing whatever he does.
And hopefully I'll figure it out.
unidentified
Wow.
jamie vernon
I never figured it out, and I've lost a ton of money back thinking it's a really fun time.
joe rogan
Is that the best game to play if you know what you're doing, or is Blackjack?
tom segura
Oh, definitely Craps.
joe rogan
Really?
tom segura
Craps is higher end.
Well, Craps can...
The multiples, I think, are much crazier.
Much crazier.
You see the payouts in Craps, and they're fucking bananas.
jamie vernon
Blackjack is just the best odds you have.
tom segura
Yeah, Blackjack is really...
You know, there's strategy, like I said.
There's playing by the book, but...
You know, there is just a real luck situation.
Like, it's not that much strategy involved to, like, flipping over and you have 20 and the dealer's like, I got eight.
I mean, it's just...
joe rogan
It's not knowing what's next, which is so exciting.
tom segura
Yeah, yeah, yeah.
joe rogan
This thing, this card, this might be it.
This might be it.
unidentified
Hit me.
tom segura
And I found that, like, if I do a $20 bet, there's just no rush.
joe rogan
Right.
tom segura
You know, I just go, like, cool.
joe rogan
Right.
tom segura
And you get to $100, and you're like, yeah, cool.
joe rogan
Get to $500.
tom segura
Then you start to go, like, ooh.
joe rogan
This is real money.
I'm going to lose 10 of these.
unidentified
Yeah.
$5,000.
tom segura
Yeah, that starts to get you.
But then when you win that, you're like, yeah.
joe rogan
It's so stupid.
I remember when I used to do gigs in Connecticut.
I went to this casino in Connecticut.
It was, like, one of them fucking...
You know, one of those weird casinos that's very nice for where it is.
tom segura
Yeah.
joe rogan
And you're wandering around there.
I'm like, what paid for this?
What paid for this?
tom segura
Yeah.
joe rogan
People like me.
Don't know what the fuck they're doing.
Banging on slot machines.
I don't even know if they have slot machines in Connecticut.
There's some casinos, like in California, where you can only play certain games.
tom segura
Yeah, there's rules about that.
joe rogan
Yeah.
tom segura
There's a lot of rules.
unidentified
But man.
joe rogan
Yeah, poker casinos.
tom segura
Some of those things you go like, this is so much money.
joe rogan
Ari used to make a lot of money playing poker.
Ari used to feed himself playing poker.
unidentified
Poker actually takes skills.
joe rogan
Yes, that's skills.
That's a skill game.
That's a skill game.
And I know there's a lot of poker places in LA. Yeah.
You know, there's like the bicycle clubs.
tom segura
There's underground games.
joe rogan
Oh, yeah.
tom segura
I know about a couple games where people play real money.
joe rogan
Yeah, Cowan knows some people who do that.
tom segura
LA has a number of those underground games.
joe rogan
And he said the crazy thing is like these guys will just gamble you into a corner where you're talking about so much money you have to fold.
tom segura
Yeah.
joe rogan
Like so much money.
tom segura
Yeah.
joe rogan
Like they'll just keep upping it.
And like he said, there's games where people are gambling millions of dollars.
tom segura
That's fucking wild.
joe rogan
And they're real players.
tom segura
Yeah.
Scary.
joe rogan
Yeah.
tom segura
I'm staying away from that shit.
jamie vernon
I saw Philip was playing poker online the other night.
unidentified
Yeah.
jamie vernon
He did pretty good.
tom segura
Is he good?
Yeah, he's playing here.
And his wife.
They're both legit poker players.
jamie vernon
There's been a tournament here.
I think there was like a hundred grand in the pot or something like that.
joe rogan
When I was a pool player, there was always like, pool players are like playing cards and pool players are hated card players.
Because card games took away from action.
It was when gambling addicts didn't want to play pool because they wanted to play cards.
They wanted to play gin rummy.
tom segura
That takes away.
joe rogan
They'd gamble on that.
God damn it.
You'd be mad to watch a game break out.
tom segura
If you told me right now there's a blackjack game we could go play, I'd go play right now.
unidentified
Really?
tom segura
Yeah, it'd be fun.
Yeah, it'd be fun.
joe rogan
Dana White won $7 million one night.
tom segura
What?
joe rogan
He lost a million one night.
Lost a million.
tom segura
But he won seven?
joe rogan
Won seven.
I think that was the night they kicked him out of the palms.
That's when they pulled the UFC from the palms.
tom segura
What kind of hands is he playing for that?
joe rogan
Who fucking knows?
He's very rich, right?
So for a guy like that, it's got to be juicy to get him excited.
tom segura
I stood around one time at the win, and I just watched a guy who was alone at the table.
His lady was right next to him, and he was just doing $10,000 a hand.
And I was like, God!
Just watching them go like, boop, no, ten.
joe rogan
Oh my god.
tom segura
Ten.
I mean, I was like, Jesus.
joe rogan
That just gives me anxiety just sitting there.
tom segura
Yeah, watching it, I was like, oh my god.
joe rogan
Because it's so addictive.
tom segura
And he wasn't reacting to wins or losses.
joe rogan
Oh boy.
tom segura
He was just like, that can't be good.
No.
joe rogan
That can't be good.
unidentified
No.
joe rogan
He's broken.
tom segura
I gotta pee real bad.
joe rogan
Yeah, you want to wrap it up?
tom segura
Sure, I have a special out.
unidentified
I should say that.
tom segura
I haven't even mentioned it.
joe rogan
We haven't even talked about it.
tom segura
No.
joe rogan
It's out to this day that it comes out.
tom segura
It's my fifth special.
It's called Sledgehammer.
joe rogan
Look at you, you handsome devil.
Do you notice the difference when you look back at your old ones?
Do you ever see, like, Netflix recommends, look at that old one and go, holy shit, look at me now.
tom segura
That's dramatic, yeah.
joe rogan
Look at you, you fucking handsome prick.
tom segura
That's in November.
I'm 10 or 12 pounds more there.
joe rogan
Wow.
You look great.
tom segura
Thanks, man.
joe rogan
And special's awesome.
I mean, your fucking set is so tight.
tom segura
You know what it was too, Joe?
Is that extra year.
I did an extra year.
joe rogan
Yeah.
tom segura
Pandemic obviously influenced that, but it made me realize how much better this hour is than any hour I've done.
joe rogan
Yeah.
tom segura
I toured another year with it.
joe rogan
Yeah.
tom segura
I mean, that's a long time.
joe rogan
Tight.
tom segura
My last show of this whole tour, I did 303 shows on this tour.
joe rogan
That is so bananas.
tom segura
It's fucking bananas.
joe rogan
What a great name though.
I'm coming everywhere.
tom segura
Yeah, it's a good tour name.
It was in Iceland.
My last show was in...
joe rogan
Sledgehammer.
tom segura
Yeah.
joe rogan
Why Sledgehammer?
tom segura
My dick compared to my son's, his looks like a sledgehammer.
Netflix.
joe rogan
Netflix.
tom segura
Yeah, it's on Netflix now.
I realized something.
It was the very final show.
I mean, it's a wildly different hour on the 303rd show than the first one, right?
Probably 40 minutes different.
But I was in such control.
I realized that on that last show that I was doing...
I did, you know, I opened with, like, some local stuff, and I did some stuff I wrote in Europe, because I was touring Europe, and then I got into, like, that meat of the hour set, and I was like, yeah, this is when you tour for that long and do this many shows, that you were like, I've, like, I just owned it in a way that, and I was aware of it.
I was like, I just...
Own this.
joe rogan
I think it's a numbers thing.
I really do.
I think it's like what, you know, in the Malcolm Gladwell book about the Beatles when they played in Hamburg.
tom segura
The thousands of hours.
joe rogan
Thousands of hours.
Thousands of shows.
Listen, it's awesome.
I'm super happy for you.
tom segura
Thank you.
Thanks.
I hope you guys enjoy it.
It was a really fun special.
I hope you enjoy it.
joe rogan
Bye, everybody.
tom segura
Thanks, guys.
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