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June 20, 2023 - The Joe Rogan Experience
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Joe Rogan Experience #2000 - Duncan Trussell
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joe rogan
Hi Meow Meow Hi Ruff Ruff I'm so excited to be here with you today Yeah.
This is our first podcast coming out as our true selves.
duncan trussell
We're furries!
joe rogan
Yeah, we've been holding it in forever.
duncan trussell
This is my true identity.
And you know what?
It just eats me alive to not tell how we met at a furry con.
joe rogan
Well, we didn't know that we met there.
Remember?
duncan trussell
Well, yeah, I didn't know who you were for a long time.
joe rogan
Yeah, we didn't know.
I'm like, oh my god, you're Meow Meow?
duncan trussell
Dude, it blew my mind.
I mean, to me, that is proof we're in a simulation.
joe rogan
Mmm.
duncan trussell
Because what are the odds?
joe rogan
They're not good.
duncan trussell
What are the odds, man?
joe rogan
The odds are also not good that I'm going to keep this fucking helmet on.
unidentified
No!
duncan trussell
I'm sweating.
Not good for me.
I'm not keeping this on, dude.
unidentified
I can barely breathe.
duncan trussell
How do they do it?
joe rogan
I don't know.
They fuck with these things on.
duncan trussell
How do you fuck with this on?
joe rogan
They're heroes.
Those people are heroes.
duncan trussell
Total respect.
Total respect for furries now.
joe rogan
Respect for the furry community.
Look, I got the feet on and everything.
duncan trussell
It's like Bikram fucking.
joe rogan
Yeah.
It's very hot in here.
If you can fuck with this on, you're an American hero.
duncan trussell
Yeah.
joe rogan
That's how I feel.
duncan trussell
David Coggins needs to put on one of these things and fuck for an hour.
joe rogan
He should.
Yeah, you think you're so cool running for a thousand miles?
unidentified
How about fuck for four and a half minutes with this on?
duncan trussell
I can't fuck for four and a half minutes without it on.
joe rogan
This is like sprinting uphill.
duncan trussell
This is...
Really brutal and just thinking about padding around a ramada in one of these things.
joe rogan
I get it.
duncan trussell
Orlando outside in the summer.
joe rogan
I get it when I put it on.
I get it.
I know why they do it.
I don't know why all of them do it.
duncan trussell
Wait, why?
Why do you think they do it?
joe rogan
I think they do it because it offers you an anonymity that is impossible any other way.
duncan trussell
Right.
joe rogan
And it turns you into your image.
The visual that people get of you is this adorable, cute mascot.
duncan trussell
Right.
joe rogan
Everybody loves a mascot.
The mascot is literally there to pump everybody up and yay!
And they don't talk and everybody loves them.
duncan trussell
Yeah, right.
joe rogan
And the people at Disneyland, same thing.
duncan trussell
Wait, they don't talk?
joe rogan
No!
They don't talk.
Like, if you meet Goofy, Goofy doesn't say jack shit to you.
We went to Goofy's kitchen.
Goofy doesn't talk.
duncan trussell
Yeah, it's like...
joe rogan
I can't.
duncan trussell
I can't do it.
Oh my god.
joe rogan
It's so hard to breathe.
It's so hard to breathe in these things.
How about those fucking people that work at Disneyland that wear these things and they walk around in the heat in the summer?
Respect to them.
duncan trussell
Dude, those Disneyland, like the people who do this at Disneyland, they party.
I heard it's like insane when they get off work.
Like they fucking party.
joe rogan
First of all, it's not even their fault.
Their brains have been cooked all day.
Do you know what kind of effect that must have on your cognitive function?
duncan trussell
Dude, like while we're bitching because they made us wear masks on planes, they're going around in a hotbox.
joe rogan
I bet they made them wear a mask under their stupid mask.
duncan trussell
Guarantee it.
Guarantee it.
I bet they did.
Those fucking dorks.
You had a mask up in your goofy outfit.
joe rogan
We got good outfits though.
These are dope.
duncan trussell
Dude, these are incredible and it's kind of sad that...
joe rogan
We can't.
We're pussies.
duncan trussell
Of all the costumes we've worn, I think this is the least time we've spent.
Even the hoods.
joe rogan
But I was almost hyperventilating in there.
duncan trussell
Dude, I was panicking.
You can see this awful wall.
It's terrible.
joe rogan
Don't you get it though?
If you were like a very tortured, socially awkward person, your life has just been a mess.
But you are, for whatever reason, attracted sexually to the idea of it, or maybe not even sexually, maybe just attracted to the idea of it.
But then you do it, and you get to be not just innocuous, not just like someone that gets picked on, not that, but instead attractive.
You're this adorable thing.
You're adorable.
Like, hey.
And people come up to you with a different energy.
duncan trussell
Dude, I've seen some really hot furry porn.
I've seen some incredible furry porn.
joe rogan
What's the worst furry porn?
Have you ever seen something like, God, you guys aren't even trying.
duncan trussell
Those are still shots, usually.
Weird Polaroids and stuff.
And generally, those are solo furries who are banging a stuffed animal.
Oh, Jesus!
That sucks.
That's not cool.
joe rogan
What do they do, like put a fleshlight in a stuffed animal?
duncan trussell
No, they're not that advanced.
They just rip a hole in the fucking thing's butt and just like leave their crusted jizz on it as some mark of achievement or something.
Really bad.
Really bad.
joe rogan
Human beings are so weird in so many ways.
duncan trussell
Yes.
joe rogan
In so many ways.
But it's so funny.
It's like media, like Norman Rockwell paintings, there's this image of us that we are when we're at our best.
The family dinner table in a 1980s movie.
That's us when we're at our best.
Everyone's getting along.
How's school going?
Junior?
Junior's doing great.
But the reality is, there's no license to get a person.
You don't have a license to become pregnant.
You don't have to go through any qualification process.
It's literally the most important thing for the future of the human race.
That people who have children and raise those children are capable of doing it.
You're capable of raising a well-adjusted person.
duncan trussell
Yeah.
joe rogan
Like any person growing up as a human being today, baby to grown up.
Like you're born today and you got to become a grown up in this fucking wacky world?
duncan trussell
Yeah.
joe rogan
Good luck being normal.
duncan trussell
Oh my god.
This is having kids right now and like just having like a vague understanding of Kurzweil's predictions for the singularity and just like considering like you know with my kid I will tell him like with the car I'm like you know probably when you're old enough to drive They won't have steering wheels anymore.
You're probably not gonna be Driving the way I do because definitely don't you think like by if they can just prove see this this meatheads like me That'd be like fuck that bro.
joe rogan
I want to drive my own fucking car.
Yeah, but if they can eliminate all deaths You're gonna have to take cars like that to a track You're going to have to take the cars that I enjoy, you're going to have to take them to a track and drive them around.
They're going to be rides.
It's not going to be your transportation.
duncan trussell
You don't think in 10 years that it's going to- It's very possible.
joe rogan
Very possible.
It'll be like a rule fight.
There'll be some dispute about whether or not people accept that.
It's gonna be a freedom issue with a lot of folks.
duncan trussell
It is a freedom issue.
joe rogan
It is.
Well, it certainly is if you have a totalitarian government, because there's only one way that a car can drive itself autonomously.
It has to be connected to insane technology that allows all sorts of things, like what a Tesla does.
You get updates online on your Tesla.
They just send you an update.
duncan trussell
Sure.
joe rogan
They fix things.
They make things better.
They make the auto driving feature better.
If that's the case, like if somebody just decides to shut your car off.
duncan trussell
Yeah.
joe rogan
You're not allowed to drive, Duncan.
We don't like your views on COVID vaccines.
duncan trussell
No.
Yeah.
Saw your tweets.
joe rogan
Yeah.
I don't like the way you think about the world and life and love.
duncan trussell
Yeah.
joe rogan
You're confusing people.
duncan trussell
Yeah.
You didn't jog today.
joe rogan
You don't think exactly the way I want you to think.
So we're gonna steer you and everybody who's paying attention in the same direction.
And the everybody's paying attention part is huge.
Because there's more self-policing than there is policing.
There's more people that get scared of not going along with narratives than there are people enforcing those narratives.
duncan trussell
You know what that's called?
Cops in the head.
That's a name for it.
Cops in the head.
This is when I was in college.
I don't remember who came up with it, but basically they're studying neighborhoods that had huge police presences, bad areas, hyper-low-income areas.
You could do the math.
The cops realized they didn't have to patrol anymore after a certain amount of time because people assimilate the police state inside of them.
And just like you're saying, now you're policing yourself.
And that is the ultimate when you think about trying to save money, when you think about controlling populations, or when you think about the huge problem of empire.
Once you spread out too far, it's incredibly expensive to keep...
Everything supplied and everything in control and to keep your like commanders doing what you say.
And so, you know, the best thing for an empire is for people to not even know that they're there, but to be like following the general prescription of the emperor, you know?
That's the ultimate empire.
Don't put up statues of yourself.
Don't put your fucking face on the coin.
What you want to do is get your philosophy into the brain of the people that you have caught.
joe rogan
I think the problem today is that there's so many more interesting narratives than the official narrative.
It used to be that you had a president that would stand up and talk to people, and he would give these speeches that everyone would listen to.
And that's Eisenhower at the end of his terms when he's warning America about the military-industrial complex.
duncan trussell
That's so creepy.
joe rogan
He's warning us.
That there's a machine that wants to go to war.
And you have to be very careful of that.
He's warning us about that.
And this is like, you could tell the next president to not ever say that, and everybody else sort of steps in line.
So you tell the next president, don't talk about that.
You talk about the conflicts overseas.
You talk about the desire to spread democracy.
You talk about these people that are a threat to everyone because they have weapons of mass destruction.
You've got to follow a very, very, very specific narrative.
And that's all we had forever.
duncan trussell
Yeah.
joe rogan
Forever.
And so there was all these people that would have cocktail parties and they would meet at coffee shops.
duncan trussell
Yeah.
joe rogan
And they'd go, do you know what's really going on?
duncan trussell
Right.
joe rogan
Because this is what I think.
I think the CIA is giving people LSD. Yeah.
unidentified
Like, what?
joe rogan
What the fuck are you talking about?
unidentified
Yeah.
joe rogan
You know those meetings where people in South Central were like, I think the government's bringing drugs in here.
And everybody's like, no fucking way.
No way.
They wouldn't do that.
They wouldn't do that.
But if you were, I mean, look, let's pretend you're a really good guy and you're a government agent.
You're the best.
You want nothing but freedom in America and spread democracy around the globe.
But Congress won't approve funding some rebels.
And there's the only one way.
You've got to get this guy out of office.
This guy's not playing ball.
He's not with the agenda.
He's a terrible dictator.
We've got to get rid of him.
And we need to fund this.
We need to fund these rebels.
So we're just going to sell some drugs.
duncan trussell
So crazy.
joe rogan
But if you think about the fact that if you're in the DEA or if you're in the CIA or the FBI or any major intel organization, they know the futility of the amount of drugs that are being brought into this country.
And there's a reason why.
Because there's a demand in this country.
unidentified
Right.
joe rogan
You're not going to change it.
You're not going to change it.
And you see all these fucking scumbags making billions.
duncan trussell
Yeah.
joe rogan
And you're like, well, why don't I make some fucking money?
duncan trussell
Right.
joe rogan
Why don't we make some fucking money?
and do some good with it. - Right, sure.
That's the Oliver North story.
duncan trussell
Dude, here's the perfect business model.
You create a situation where you are selling drugs to people and then arresting them and taking your drugs back, plus all their stuff, and then reselling the drugs, rinse and repeat.
joe rogan
And you know who to arrest because you're selling it to them.
unidentified
You're selling it to them!
duncan trussell
You just call your friend!
And you just keep, it's basically like throwing out fishing nets, man.
You just throw out the nets, let them sell the drugs long enough to get a shit ton of money, some nice cars, pull the nets back in, you got the drugs, you got the cars, you got the money.
It's an incredible, and also the, you know, I'm sometimes suspicious regarding the idea that they incinerate the drugs that they...
unidentified
Of course!
Why would they?
joe rogan
Someone come along and go, we got that.
We'll take care of it.
We'll incinerate it.
duncan trussell
Take it to the incinerator.
joe rogan
There's some fucking guys who look like they just got out of the Naval Academy.
You know, like, we got it.
duncan trussell
Yeah, we got it.
No problem.
joe rogan
Yeah, and they fucking skort that off to some special boat.
duncan trussell
Yeah, and there's a precedent for this.
I mean, this isn't conspiracy.
Like, that was proven.
Like, this shit is...
Remember that CIA plane that crashed with all the cocaine in it?
unidentified
Yeah, tons of fucking shit ton of cocaine in it.
It was overweight.
joe rogan
That's why it crashed.
Because it had so much coke in it.
duncan trussell
Greed took them down.
joe rogan
I think it had something crazy, like a thousand pounds of coke.
duncan trussell
That is so much coke.
I can't even imagine how much coke that is.
joe rogan
How much was it?
How many pounds was it?
jamie vernon
3.3 tons.
duncan trussell
Oh my god!
How much does an elephant weigh?
How many elephants worth of coke is that?
Dude, that's crazy.
That's CIA coke, too.
You know, that's not bad coke.
That's like something incredible in there.
joe rogan
Oh my god, it's pure.
It's rock flake.
The stuff that Eric Clapton used to get.
duncan trussell
Jesus Christ, it just makes your entire body go numb.
I don't like coke, though.
joe rogan
Look at all the coke that he had.
duncan trussell
Oh my god.
joe rogan
That's the same.
duncan trussell
Oh my god.
That is fucking crazy.
joe rogan
Look at that.
jamie vernon
Yeah, it happened to me in the five seconds I had it on too.
It's a bunch of little hairs.
duncan trussell
Holy shit, man.
jamie vernon
You want a napkin or something?
joe rogan
No, I'm alright.
duncan trussell
How many bags of that do you think it consumed at like an average Coachella?
joe rogan
How many bags of that did Joey Diaz do during his prime?
That's what I want to know.
That might be like Joey Diaz's cocaine career right there.
duncan trussell
Oh man, that'd be so cool if there was a way to look at all the drugs you've done.
Like if you could like, you know, have them laid out in front of you over the course of a lifetime.
joe rogan
Oh my god, you'd be terrified.
It would be a room.
duncan trussell
It would be exciting.
joe rogan
The amount of weed?
duncan trussell
Oh dude.
joe rogan
The volume?
Just the sheer volume?
duncan trussell
Booze.
unidentified
Ugh.
duncan trussell
Just think, all of it.
Just fucking piles of ketamine.
Wow!
joe rogan
And if you could do a chart to the size of your room versus the bad decisions you've made in your life, I bet you would find some correlations.
duncan trussell
Yes!
unidentified
That's for sure.
joe rogan
100%.
duncan trussell
Absolutely, man.
Yeah, you do have to, I mean, there's just no way around it.
This is why I think karma is a wonderful and perfect way to articulate this, which is just like, where you're at, everything around you, That's your karma.
This is your karma.
I love that because it keeps me from going victim.
You look around at everything and you're like, whatever it is, good?
You did that for yourself.
Bad?
You did that to yourself.
And you just have to deal with it.
unidentified
But not necessarily.
joe rogan
Babies get shot in drive-bys.
duncan trussell
Well, yeah, okay, yes.
The baby thing, I mean, there's some, like, theoretical, there's two ways to look at it.
One, Occam's razor.
It's the same problem like Thea's face in trying to explain why awful things happen to babies.
joe rogan
You know what I think?
duncan trussell
What?
joe rogan
I think karma's an element.
It's an element of existence.
But it's not a rule.
It's like evil people live to be 100 and get away with it.
duncan trussell
Well, for karma to really work, you need reincarnation.
That's where the math goes into the unquantifiable.
So for karma to really work, I mean, it could work in a very simple, mechanistic way with just one life.
But the idea is that there's different types of karma.
So there's the karma that's happening right now.
This is like...
Flowering karma, but there's karma like seeds of shit that you did a while ago.
Like when all of a sudden like someone calls you up and is like, hey, I'm your son.
You're like, what?
Like, yeah, I'm your kid.
That seed has been in you and then it grows into the present moment.
And then there's karma that's the same idea, but from past lives.
So that's where it gets really fucking weird.
And I guess there's some very blurry way you could connect that to epigenetics.
You know what I mean?
Epigenetics is sort of the way you get reincarnation into biology.
Except it's obviously not reincarnation, it's your ancestors.
But it's essentially the same concept, except one is quantifiable, the other is mystical.
joe rogan
I wonder if epigenetics is...
If you're imparting some of your mind, some of your thinking to a child, I wonder what effect it would have at the age you were when you had the child.
duncan trussell
Yeah, sure.
You know?
Yeah, absolutely.
I mean, yeah.
joe rogan
Like, Al Pacino's kid is gonna be amazing.
duncan trussell
Amazing.
unidentified
He's 82. 82. Shooting live rounds.
duncan trussell
Incredible.
joe rogan
Into a 29 year old hottie.
duncan trussell
And people are fucking mad at him.
joe rogan
What are they mad at?
duncan trussell
They're mad because they think if you're that old...
joe rogan
You're not going to be able to care for that child.
duncan trussell
Well, that's one...
To me, that's the most logical.
If you are going to be such an asshole that you're criticizing Al Pacino for procreating, don't you want more Pacinos?
He's a great fucking actor.
But the other one is just like, that age gap is insurmountable.
joe rogan
Well, I don't think it was his idea.
unidentified
No.
Didn't he have a paternity test?
joe rogan
Exclusive this is a real special coming at this time Al Pacino 83 break silence to celebrate 29 year old girlfriend's pregnancy after claims He demanded paternity test because she hoodwinked him.
Yeah, there is the actor revealed his girlfriend Noor Alfala Was we're expecting last week initial reports claimed that Al was not pleased over the baby, but how do we know?
You know, it's like people say things like that Which he has now confirmed.
duncan trussell
Underneath it says, voiced his delight.
joe rogan
Sources told Daily Mail that wasn't true, which is now confirmed.
So that means it wasn't true.
duncan trussell
Not true.
joe rogan
They didn't hoodwink him.
See the way they phrase that?
That's weird.
Sources told Daily Mail that wasn't true, which he has now confirmed.
But look at the headline!
Look at the headline!
duncan trussell
Fucking assholes, man.
unidentified
This is so crazy!
joe rogan
They're basically saying this is not true, so he's delighted to have a baby with his girlfriend, and so people made up this story, and we read it.
Because it's the headline.
duncan trussell
Why not just be like Al Pacino chopped his kid into bits and then underneath say he didn't chop his kid into bits.
joe rogan
Look, he's walking around.
He's smiling.
He looks very special.
Yeah.
Listen, man.
Them anti-aging doctors get them on the happy sauce.
Who knows?
duncan trussell
Yeah, man.
Look at that.
joe rogan
He's wearing comfortable shoes.
I would wear those shoes.
duncan trussell
He's fucking cool.
Look at that.
joe rogan
I would wear those shoes.
It's old men's shoes.
duncan trussell
Wow.
joe rogan
Look at him.
Looks fine.
duncan trussell
He looks great.
joe rogan
He's out and going for walks.
duncan trussell
How old is he?
joe rogan
83. Who's that with him?
unidentified
I don't know.
joe rogan
No, that's that other actor guy.
Isn't it?
unidentified
No.
joe rogan
No.
jamie vernon
He looks like Andy Garcia a little bit.
unidentified
Yes!
joe rogan
That's what I was going to say.
You sure?
No?
jamie vernon
I'm pretty sure.
joe rogan
It's probably his friend.
duncan trussell
Yeah.
joe rogan
Okay.
Dude.
Things to do in Denver when you're dead.
Underrated movie.
duncan trussell
I don't think I ever saw that.
joe rogan
It was like their version.
It was like when Pulp Fiction had just come out and everybody wanted everything to be fucking cool.
duncan trussell
Okay.
joe rogan
And things became cool.
duncan trussell
Yeah.
Yeah, I remember that.
unidentified
It was cool.
duncan trussell
That's got to be cool for Tarantino to watch his shit echo out, to watch it shape culture.
That's so badass that you can do that.
unidentified
Amazing.
joe rogan
He's very important.
He's very important because he's grandfathered in.
Like, his movies are fucking bananas.
duncan trussell
Yeah.
joe rogan
Like, Once Upon a Time in Hollywood was fucking crazy.
duncan trussell
So great.
joe rogan
And he's grandfathered in, in a way, like, you know what a Tarantino movie is.
duncan trussell
Right.
joe rogan
Have you seen Kill Bill?
Have you seen Inglourious Basterds?
Have you seen these movies?
duncan trussell
Yeah.
joe rogan
Then shut the fuck up, because you know what you're in for.
duncan trussell
Right.
joe rogan
Whereas, I think if you were a young director, and that was, like, your first film, people would go, you know...
The violence was so unnecessary.
It was so egregious.
It was so, you know, like the language, the way they talk.
People would find criticism in it, I think.
duncan trussell
You see in interviews, he is so frustrated with the endless question he gets from hack reporters who are like, violence.
What about the violence?
He just is done with that.
It must be so annoying to get that same question over to make great movies.
When did journalism...
Turn into scolding.
Because it wasn't the idea like you ask people questions, but there isn't a moral twist to it.
Or am I imagining it?
joe rogan
No, you're not imagining it.
Well, Barbara Walters used to do it a little bit.
She was kind of famous for being a tough interview.
She'd interview people and ask them uncomfortable questions.
duncan trussell
But it's like when it's got that, it's not even like they're asking you questions about shit you lied about.
joe rogan
Right.
They're making a moral judgment on you.
duncan trussell
They're essentially saying, why are you a bad person?
unidentified
Right.
joe rogan
Why are you making movies that show horrible things?
duncan trussell
Yeah.
joe rogan
You're contributing to this horrible culture we have, which is not true.
That doesn't really work.
Like that correlation doesn't work because when you look at some countries like I think it's, is it Japan that has a very high rate of, they play a lot of violent video games, but they have way less violence?
duncan trussell
Oh yeah, right.
joe rogan
Is that it?
Did I read that?
Like, they've tried to make correlations between violent video games and actual violence.
duncan trussell
That is so dumb.
joe rogan
And some people think that it might actually have the opposite effect.
There is a potential in some humans that they play those violent video games and they would get out any kind of wild, crazy instinct that they might have.
I want you to imagine if epigenetics are real.
There's a certain amount of us that are imparting memories Of being in war to other kids.
duncan trussell
Yeah.
joe rogan
And this is going into your baby and the mindset is going into your baby.
duncan trussell
Yeah.
joe rogan
And it seems like that's an inescapable reality.
If there's a thing like a video game that lets them express that part of their brain without actually having a desire to do it.
duncan trussell
Yeah.
joe rogan
No judgments, but it almost makes sense.
That it would work to actually stop violence.
So the idea is like, what is promoting violence?
And my answer to that is like, being a human, poverty Putting someone through a terrible life, forcing someone into bad situations, that's what creates all of it.
It's very weird the way we address the problem of violence, because we only look at it in terms of the action itself.
We don't want to go all the way back to the source.
We don't want to go back and try to fix the source.
duncan trussell
There's a big problem that happens when you start doing that, is instead of being able to transform violent people into one-dimensional sociopathic creatures, suddenly you like get back far enough and they're, I don't know, watching their mom and dad OD on heroin.
joe rogan
Yeah.
duncan trussell
Or they're, you know, whatever it is.
And again, not to say we don't need prisons and justice and all that, but when you realize, oh yeah, you're just looking at like a misplaced defense mechanism that this human had to learn because of whatever they fucking came out of.
Now, I'm not saying it's all sociopaths had horrific experiences.
I just, looking at my own shitty defense mechanisms and then like going in therapy and connecting them to the past, it's easy to see Where, like, the aspects of my personality that are not conducive to harmony came from.
It's just that, you know, the kids are fucking so tough.
They have to adapt.
joe rogan
Yeah, kids adapt and they develop these weird defense mechanisms.
duncan trussell
And then add to that the epigenetic component and then that what the United States has been at war 93% of its history?
joe rogan
Yeah.
duncan trussell
So now you're just looking at like some like...
joe rogan
Insane number of people that are transmitting memories of being at war.
duncan trussell
Yeah.
joe rogan
Into their children.
And you know, that was my theory about why history was so barbaric.
But if you go far back enough, the pyramids.
So what happened between then and, say, the Mongols?
What happened?
What was the transition?
Why did people get so barbaric?
And I think they're the people that survived the impact.
unidentified
Right.
joe rogan
I think when the Younger Dryas impact happened, if it happened 11,800 years ago, they believe, I think the people that survived that were fucking monsters, because they had to be.
duncan trussell
Right.
joe rogan
I bet it was a total breakdown of any civilization.
That's why civilization doesn't really pop up again for 6,000 years.
duncan trussell
Yeah.
joe rogan
I think for thousands of years we were monsters.
duncan trussell
Dude, it's so funny that on our planet are all of these mega structures that we just are like, I don't really know.
It's just that always blows my mind that like all over the planet.
joe rogan
Yeah.
duncan trussell
Signs.
joe rogan
Did you see that one I posted on Instagram the other day?
duncan trussell
No.
joe rogan
Oh my god.
This is fucking insane.
duncan trussell
What is it?
What?
joe rogan
Where did I leave my phone?
duncan trussell
There's a phone right there.
joe rogan
Where?
Oh, it was hidden by my mic.
Sorry.
I'm going to send it to Jamie right now.
You got it?
Yeah.
So, check this out.
Give me some volume on this.
unidentified
Buddha.
to have been built in the 8th and 9th century, the Barobidir Temple is an uncontested marvel whose intricate architecture continues to confound scholars.
Despite being one of the most important sites on Java, there is no written record of who erected it or what its intended purpose was.
Because there are no inscriptions or dates on the monument, historians must make educated guesses as to when it was most likely created.
The dating estimates are based purely off of architectural comparisons found elsewhere in Indonesia.
Given the magnitude of the construction, it appears remarkable that no ruler or dynasty took credit for it.
Barobidir is the world's biggest Buddhist temple, and yet nobody knows who built it.
On the Indonesian...
duncan trussell
That's cool.
joe rogan
Yeah, Jamie, I'm sending you another one right now.
I mean, there's a bunch of these things.
There's a bunch of things like that.
They're just like, I don't know.
Who made this?
duncan trussell
Okay, what are your thoughts on mud flood?
joe rogan
What's mud flood?
duncan trussell
Mud flood theory.
joe rogan
Oh.
I think that goes along with the Younger Dryas Impact Theory.
duncan trussell
Yeah, but mud...
joe rogan
Check this out, though, real quick.
I want you to watch this, because this is...
Fucking bananas.
Same account.
unidentified
We set out to empty ponds that residents said were bottomless.
The Longyu Caves located in the village of Xi'an Beichun in Zhejiang province, China, are a massive and majestic ancient underground world.
The Longyu Caves, also known as the Shao Nanhai Stone Chambers, are thought to date back to at least 2,000 years and represent one of the largest underground excavations of ancient times, as well as an ongoing mystery that has confounded scientists from every discipline that has researched them.
Scientists from archaeology, architecture, engineering, and geology around the world have no understanding who or why the Longyu caves were carved into the earth.
Currently 24 hand carved caves encompassing a staggering 30,000 square meters have been found so far.
Each grotto is carved into solid siltstone and descends roughly 30 meters down, with stone rooms, bridges, gutters, and ponds.
The Longyu caves are supported by pillars that are evenly dispersed throughout the caves, and the walls, ceiling, and stone columns are uniformly decorated with chisel marks in a pattern of parallel lines and ornate designs.
Damn.
There isn't a single historical source that mentions them, which is extremely remarkable given the scope of the undertaking.
Despite decades of analysis, the Longue Cave's mystery remains essentially unsolved.
What the fuck, dude?
duncan trussell
You know, when people, like, bash Hancock or try to dismiss it or debunk it, it's so frustrating to me because, like, first of all, no, like, Nobody builds something that big underground just for fun.
You know what I mean?
I think we burrowed in.
We had to.
Whatever happened or maybe something happened and then...
We were so scared it would happen again, we created, that's like an ancient survival shelter.
joe rogan
Well, they have them in Turkey as well.
There's these giant, is that where it was?
Where Randall told us about?
duncan trussell
Dude, those are crazy.
Those are crazy with like air ducts and just insane.
And it's like, you don't do that unless you have to.
joe rogan
Right.
duncan trussell
You don't burrow like a human ant hive, ant nest.
joe rogan
Yeah, these things.
Like the amount of resources it took to do what these people did, these are huge chambers carved into stone.
They think that the sky was like fucking raining lightning at one point.
duncan trussell
Yeah.
Pole shift.
I mean, to me, the really eerie thing about all of this is the information gap.
It's that we have this massive...
The hard drive has been fragmented.
We just don't know.
joe rogan
But thank God they made everything out of stone.
The thing about it is whatever their technology was that existed to make the pyramids, it was different.
We make everything out of metal and glass, and that shit's not going to be here in 10,000 years.
It's just not going to be here.
It'll all get destroyed by just Mother Nature.
It'll just eventually get...
I think they've done analysis of how much of a city will be around after 500 years of just vacancy.
unidentified
How much?
joe rogan
And after 1,000 years.
Well, Detroit is a great example.
You see what happens in Detroit?
duncan trussell
Yeah.
joe rogan
Houses are just getting taken over by trees.
duncan trussell
Yeah.
joe rogan
Trees go through the roof.
They grow through the floor.
They're literally devouring the homes.
The homes that are abandoned are getting eaten by trees.
duncan trussell
So cool.
unidentified
So cool.
joe rogan
It's very cool.
But it shows you it didn't take...
I mean, nature has a long lifespan.
It doesn't give a fuck if it takes a hundred years to reclaim a house or to take a house back.
Just get the roots of the tree to start busting through.
Everything's rained on.
The wood's soggy.
It just breaks apart.
duncan trussell
It eats everything.
joe rogan
It eats everything.
duncan trussell
Assimilates everything.
You know there's like this humans have this interesting like temporal blindness like the the way that we the way time passes for us produces the illusion of solidity and so that makes that confuses people because they think that there's permanence here when if we could just see if we lived longer and we could see time faster We would feel like we were in some kind of ocean of undulating matter with
these voids in it that we hang out in, like little bubbles in the ocean.
That's what we build our houses in.
We wouldn't look at this place as solid.
We wouldn't think of it as permanent.
This is why everyone was so fucked up by the pandemic.
It's because, you know, you watch enough TV, you buy into the permanence of civilization.
Suddenly civilization, like...
It has a little rumble, like a house that needs some kind of serious repair.
It shifts a little bit.
And everyone was reminded, yeah, this doesn't last any more than any of that shit lasted.
And I think that's very disturbing for people who've really anchored themselves in some notion of permanence here.
It freaks people out.
joe rogan
I think that was a great ad for psilocybin.
duncan trussell
Yes!
Psilocybin!
joe rogan
That's what that was.
That was an awesome ad for psilocybin.
duncan trussell
Ozempic now has psilocybin in it, which is incredible.
joe rogan
That's better.
That's better.
or you realize why you're fat?
unidentified
It'll show you everything.
joe rogan
It'll show you all the wires.
duncan trussell
You need it!
joe rogan
Underneath the board.
duncan trussell
Dude, the whole thing...
This is one of the really funny things about humans.
We are capable of ignoring internal realities.
We can somehow distract ourselves from the obvious cause of our suffering and equate it with a million other things than just what it actually is.
Dude, I got so fat during the pandemic.
Fatter than I've ever been.
It wasn't a mystery to me.
I knew why I was fat, but it is curious that there's a way that you can just kind of ignore that.
Or like when I was drinking too much.
You can ignore that you're waking up with a low-level flu every morning.
You can somehow ignore it.
It's so interesting.
joe rogan
And it's common.
Most people do it, especially because it's so fun to party.
duncan trussell
It's so fun.
joe rogan
When they're out there partying and getting lit, it's a good time.
duncan trussell
It is outside of the way it makes you feel the next day.
I mean, what a wonderful high.
I think what sucks about alcohol as a drug is that It's a depressant.
It's a depressant and if you just do like one drink and practice mindfulness with that and watch, you realize like this sucks.
It goes away real quick.
It lasts, I don't know, 45 minutes, an hour.
Then you want to go back up.
But your liver can't process it enough and that's where the hangover comes from.
joe rogan
Well, it's also dehydration.
unidentified
Dehydration.
joe rogan
Glutathione.
You can mitigate some of that with glutathione.
duncan trussell
I saw that.
I saw that on Twitter.
joe rogan
Yeah.
Liposomal glutathione, I think, is the best.
That's some stuff you squirt under your tongue and you hold there and it gets into your bloodstream better.
But IV is the best.
If you can get an IV glutathione, that's the best.
duncan trussell
Dude, If you're drinking so much that you're getting IVs, you gotta think about that.
joe rogan
Or if you want to continue having a good time, but you want to take care of your body, get an IV. You know what?
duncan trussell
Listen, I sound like a prude.
unidentified
I don't care if people out there- No, you don't sound like a prude.
joe rogan
You sound like Duncan Trussell right now.
This is who you are right now.
This is where you are, honestly, in your life.
And at other points in your life, you've been different.
duncan trussell
Right.
joe rogan
It's normal.
duncan trussell
That's how all of us are.
Incarnation.
joe rogan
Yeah.
And that's why when you see someone who makes a turn for the best, like you see good things happen to them and they get this sparkle in their eye and they're excited, you get excited too.
It's fun.
It's great.
duncan trussell
Right.
joe rogan
Because it isn't great if you're always like that.
It's really great if you figure it out.
It's like if your life has been kind of fucked and then you went, what am I doing?
duncan trussell
Right.
joe rogan
And then pieced it back together again.
Then you're thankful every day.
unidentified
Right.
joe rogan
Then you're appreciative every day.
duncan trussell
Yeah.
joe rogan
It's like those negative things, they can be positive.
duncan trussell
Absolutely.
Dude, this is the other thing.
We focus on half of what's really happening.
People focus on the light and what's good and when things are going right for them, completely ignoring the fact that, in general, When shit's going bad, that's the stuff that's made you interesting.
Down the road, that's what the stories are told about.
That's what the jokes are written about.
Not the good times.
The bad times, that's the fertilizer, man.
There's a saying, no mud, no lotus.
You ever heard that before?
Like that though and the two are completely connected like especially if you zoom out of time Yeah, and you'll realize you're growing out of your worst moment Hopefully for the better and the worst moment actually made you smarter It made you like appreciate life more it made you like less like dude once I got my ball cut off that was a fucking Game-changer dude because like you just you just learn how to be in the present moment Like you can't get off.
Your illusion of immortality is destroyed.
And you need that.
It's really not good if you think you're going to live forever.
joe rogan
I think that's one of the good things about jujitsu.
You almost get close to death.
duncan trussell
Oh yeah.
joe rogan
All the time.
duncan trussell
Yeah.
joe rogan
And you're so exhausted that it's easier to live in the moment.
You're so less anxious.
Right.
I mean, I know I'm fucking beating a dead horse, but I think people need physical struggle.
Not just even exercise.
I think you need exercise, but you need exercise that's rigorous.
duncan trussell
Right.
joe rogan
And if you can only do walks, that's cool.
Do that.
It's definitely better than not doing that.
Walks are great.
Look at Al Pacino.
He looks great out there.
I bet he's got a trainer.
The point is, it helps your anxiety.
It helps what you think in a big way.
And I'm thinking about it right now because I hurt my back a couple days ago.
Actually, it's about a week now.
Deadlifting.
Shouldn't have done it.
duncan trussell
That will fuck you up.
joe rogan
Stupid.
Stupid.
And it's not bad, but it's annoying.
And it's waking me up to this reality of what happens when you don't work out for a few days.
Because I haven't really been able to work out.
And I just started doing some stuff.
I found out I can do some stuff.
I just got to be careful because I don't want to re-aggravate it.
Because I don't want it to take longer.
So two days in a row I didn't work out, which is really rare for me.
And then all of a sudden I'm like, I don't feel good.
I feel like, ugh.
I feel like shitty.
I feel off.
Even the sun's pepping me up.
I go outside and stare at the sun.
It's a beautiful day.
duncan trussell
It's beautiful.
joe rogan
Beautiful clouds in the sky.
I'm like, eh.
And I'm like, oh, you little pussy.
You have to work out.
You can't work out.
duncan trussell
Right.
joe rogan
Oh, my God.
So now this is how, imagine that times like 20 years for some people of eating shitty, too, not even eating good.
duncan trussell
Right.
joe rogan
And then not working out.
duncan trussell
Right.
joe rogan
And that's most people.
duncan trussell
And so your normal reality is you're in a kind of decayed building.
It's like walking the dog.
You know what I mean?
If you don't take your dog for walks, what happens to the dog?
Gets nervous.
Gets weird.
joe rogan
Gets depressed.
duncan trussell
Your body is your dog.
So it's going to do the same thing.
It just gets all freaked out.
joe rogan
My dog needs exercise.
He loves it.
He loves it.
I pick up that fucking ball.
I have a ball thrower.
It's like an adal-adal-looking thing with a ball on the end of it so you can really chuck it.
He gets so pumped.
duncan trussell
That's a great dog, man.
joe rogan
I go, dude, I got the ball.
He's like, no way.
I go, it's right here.
unidentified
He's like, no, we could have chased the ball.
joe rogan
I'm like, fuck yeah.
So I get him all hyped up first.
I get all excited.
duncan trussell
Yeah, I get him excited.
joe rogan
Yeah, I get excited.
I go, oh, here we go, here we go.
He loves it.
duncan trussell
Dude, my fucking poodle loves to get the ball.
Will not bring it back.
joe rogan
You gotta train him to do that.
duncan trussell
Oh, man, I've tried.
joe rogan
But retrievers, they do it instantly.
duncan trussell
Yeah, they just send them.
joe rogan
Marshall did it from the time he was a little bitty-bitty puppy.
I'd throw something for him, he'd grab it and bring it right back.
He didn't want to let it go, but he wanted to bring it back.
But if he said, come on, drop it, drop it, drop it.
Hey, come on, dude.
Come on, dude.
He'll drop it.
duncan trussell
Drop it.
joe rogan
But then he's looking at you like, he's smiling.
He wants to play a little tug of war, so I'll play a little tug of war with him.
He's so playful.
duncan trussell
Dude, that is definitely the coolest dog I've ever met.
joe rogan
He's amazing.
duncan trussell
That is a mystical creature.
You feel like you're being visited by some kind of magic dog.
joe rogan
Dude.
duncan trussell
So happy.
joe rogan
He's so happy.
And when I watch TV, he just hops up and cuddles.
He just wants to cuddle with me when I watch TV. Yeah.
Like, that's what he does.
duncan trussell
Used to be a wolf.
joe rogan
Yeah.
There's a photo on his Instagram, the most recent photo that we put up.
Like, this is me watching TV, and homeboy just, like, hops up to hang out with me.
That's what he does.
duncan trussell
So sweet.
joe rogan
He hops up and he cuddles with you.
He wants to cuddle.
He's just all love.
Everybody.
You come over to the house, like you never met him before, he's like, you're my favorite person!
duncan trussell
You see this?
This is gonna be the aliens posing with us in about 50 years.
joe rogan
I hope I don't have to wear a collar.
I'll be a good boy.
I won't run into traffic.
duncan trussell
You're gonna have to prove yourself first.
joe rogan
I used to love to take him with no leash when I lived in California because I'd take him in the canyons and we'd run around.
But unfortunately, that's a little more problematic where I live.
But I think dogs, they need something, man.
They need exercise.
They need love.
They're like a little version of you in some strange way.
unidentified
Yep.
joe rogan
You know, and they're a reflection of the owner in some strange way.
duncan trussell
Do you buy into the idea that, like, dogs and their owners kind of start looking like each other?
joe rogan
Yeah, people always say that.
I don't think I look like Marshall.
He doesn't look like me.
But he's the sweetest.
duncan trussell
He does when you have your Ruff Ruff costume on.
joe rogan
I don't know.
That's the original Marshall.
That's a wolf.
That's what's crazy that that used to be a wolf.
duncan trussell
Right.
joe rogan
That someone took the most ferocious predatory beast of the forest that operates in packs and they communicate telepathically and they turn that thing into this adorable loves punch.
duncan trussell
Dude, okay.
When was the last time this connects?
When was the last time you read One Flew Over the Cuckoo's Nest?
joe rogan
Oh, it's been a long time.
duncan trussell
Okay.
I think I must have read it when I was in high school and just didn't pay attention.
It's completely different from the movie.
Like, 100% different.
joe rogan
Maybe I never read it.
duncan trussell
Ken Kesey, he was like...
joe rogan
Ken Kesey wrote it?
duncan trussell
Yeah.
joe rogan
Oh, no way!
duncan trussell
So it's so psychedelic.
The book is so psychedelic, but, you know, like, the...
The idea is that the character of McMurphy, Jack Nicholson's character, and again, this is my own analysis.
I don't know what the actual literary analysis of it is.
He represents an undomesticated human.
And the people in the ward Are humans that couldn't function in what he calls society the combine.
They couldn't function in the combine.
So they're being brought into the asylums to get like redomesticated just so they could function in the combine.
And he represents like an undomesticated human who enters into like a conditioning center designed to melt people back down, build them back up and send them out into the world and be good functioning domesticated humans.
It's so good.
It's so subversive, dude.
It's such a brilliant, like, it's so funny how different the movie is from it.
Wow.
Like Nurse Ratched, and again, because the narrator is chief, that big Native American dude who's in the movie, that's the narrator of the book.
It's being told from his perspective.
unidentified
Oh.
duncan trussell
So you don't know like how much of what he's reporting is real and how much is like he's in a mental asylum, right?
unidentified
Oh my god, that's amazing!
duncan trussell
I know, he's so good!
But according to him, Nurse Ratched can control time.
unidentified
She...
duncan trussell
She'll speed up time so that like a year goes by in a day or slow down time so that like a second lasts like 10 years and that's just one of the many ways that she's basically torturing the people in the ward.
joe rogan
Oh my god.
duncan trussell
She's constantly giving them drugs, tying them to their beds and always this threat, this like threat is hovering which is if you fuck up too much, If you get too angry at Nurse Ratched, who is a monster, essentially the way he describes it, it's the Demi or just the Antichrist, then you know what happens?
They're gonna fucking give you a lobotomy.
unidentified
They're gonna cut out your brain, turn you into a zombie.
joe rogan
And you know they really did that.
duncan trussell
Yeah.
joe rogan
They really did that.
duncan trussell
I had a professor in college who used to work at an asylum and was the weirdest dude ever.
It was an awful class on like psychiatry.
And he was kind of talking glowingly about lobotomies.
And like someone asked him like, I mean, what happened to the person?
And he goes, they became a very good patient.
joe rogan
Oh my God.
duncan trussell
Totally was fine with the fact that they were sticking chopsticks in people's brains.
unidentified
Scrambling the brain.
duncan trussell
Dude, with a hammer!
Wearing that weird outfit.
Why are they dressed like that?
joe rogan
You know, they did a lot of those.
jamie vernon
He did it, this guy, this doctor is credited with the majority of them.
joe rogan
So are they holding this guy down while they're doing this, or is he anesthetized?
jamie vernon
I don't know.
joe rogan
I don't see any anesthesia.
duncan trussell
I see a strap!
joe rogan
I see straps, and I see people holding his arms.
Jesus Christ, you know how fucking terrifying that must be to feel that rod going into your brain, knowing they're gonna turn you into a vegetable?
duncan trussell
Yeah.
Electroshock?
joe rogan
Dude, do you remember that guy that was running for vice president who had to admit that he went through electroshock therapy?
duncan trussell
No.
joe rogan
Yes.
It was during the McGovern-Nixon campaign.
Eagleton.
It was McGovern's campaign, right?
unidentified
Yeah.
joe rogan
McGovern was like one of the last hopes.
He was one of the last, like, truly rational, what you really want out of someone that you consider a liberal.
Someone who's a compassionate, strong person, who...
People thought that, you know, he could win.
They thought that he could win.
duncan trussell
Yeah.
joe rogan
And it says, 72, over two weeks after the 1972 Democratic Convention, Eagleton admitted the truth.
Of news reports that he had received electroshock therapy for clinical depression during the 1960s.
McGovern initially said he would back Eagleton a hundred percent, a thousand percent rather, but he didn't.
He eventually had to let him go and that it was too late.
duncan trussell
Wait, that's what took him out?
joe rogan
That's what took him out.
duncan trussell
Whoa.
joe rogan
Yeah.
Electroshock therapy for depression.
Just for depression.
duncan trussell
Don't people say it works?
joe rogan
You would be awarded if you had depression.
Today.
Today in this victimhood society.
duncan trussell
Oh, right.
joe rogan
If you said, this vice president, he suffered from clinical depression but he sought help, he would be a shining example.
Look at him.
duncan trussell
Yeah.
joe rogan
He's like us.
He was clinically depressed.
He got over it.
He's a hero.
duncan trussell
Yeah.
joe rogan
And then people would be fine with it.
duncan trussell
Yeah, back then.
joe rogan
Back then it was a giant sign of weakness.
And they would shock your brain.
duncan trussell
I think it works.
Whoa.
Let's try it.
Doesn't it have good results?
I would rather not.
joe rogan
Maybe it's like smelling salt.
duncan trussell
Have you watched videos of it?
Because it's not like they're like vaulting you the whole time.
They put these rods on your head and you like convulse for a second.
It's very disturbing to watch.
joe rogan
Maybe it's like a reset.
Like Control-Alt-Delete for your brain.
duncan trussell
Maybe it's doing something similar to what the psychedelics are doing.
joe rogan
Maybe it's bringing you to a near-death experience because your body thinks it's being electrocuted.
Maybe it releases all of those psychedelic chemicals that they think it releases when you're in near-death experiences.
duncan trussell
Did you see that they think they found the mechanism for why psilocybin treats depression?
Like, they did some study on rat brains in a Petri dish, and they were watching the way it interacts with psilocybin, like, blocks.
Yeah, this is wild.
joe rogan
Is this someone getting zapped?
unidentified
Yeah.
duncan trussell
Nice hat for shocking people.
joe rogan
You have to wear a hat.
duncan trussell
Yeah, but you don't need to have popcorn bags.
joe rogan
Oh, her toe's locked up.
Like she got knocked out.
duncan trussell
That's the receipt.
jamie vernon
Don't show a whole lot of it, but...
duncan trussell
There's old ones that really show the whole thing.
joe rogan
Dude.
I wanted to bring something up, but I kept forgetting.
I didn't want to interrupt your rant.
I posted something.
I retweeted something the other day about this boy that was raised by wolves in India.
Have you ever seen that?
duncan trussell
No.
joe rogan
See if you can find that from a few days ago.
I retweeted it.
I want to know if it's true.
I'm like, I was too lazy to Google it.
I was like, I'm springing up with a podcast.
Well, I just retweeted it.
I take no responsibility for retweets.
duncan trussell
It's the best way to fact check, is just tweet something.
joe rogan
Also, retweets for me are just like, hmm, I think this is interesting.
Maybe you will too.
That's what I do it for.
So this is it.
The Wolf Child in 1889. Wow, how do you say that word?
duncan trussell
Bulandashar?
joe rogan
Bulandashar.
Bulandashar region of the Indian forest.
There resided Dina Sanachar, a feral child of merely six years old.
Sanachar lived amidst a wolf pack, adapting to their ways and partaking in their activities.
This remarkable case serves as a vivid demonstration of the impact of environmental factors on human behavior.
It exemplifies how the availability of resources, the upbringing, environment, and the ability to adapt to surroundings during childhood can shape an individual's physical and mental abilities, ultimately ensuring survival.
I mean, this is kind of what we've been talking about.
duncan trussell
Yeah, totally, man.
joe rogan
Look at that kid.
Look at his face.
That's crazy.
duncan trussell
I mean, this is probably why you should be very careful about who your friends are.
Because, like, you, you know, maybe we look like our dogs, but definitely, like, in a group of friends, you, like, warp.
You will shift into, like, something that, like, harmonizes with all of them.
joe rogan
How about girls who, like, become boyfriends with serial killers and they go and kill people together?
They pick up girls and kill them together.
duncan trussell
So crazy.
joe rogan
People have done that.
duncan trussell
Crazy.
joe rogan
Like that's a real thing that's happened more than once where a guy will be a serial killer and he'll convert his girlfriend to becoming a serial killer and they can kill people together.
duncan trussell
What does that conversation start off like?
jamie vernon
According to Snopes, the only thing that's not true about that story is that he wasn't the only kid.
Oh wow.
He was at least one of two at that time they found.
duncan trussell
Wow.
jamie vernon
There might have been a couple more.
joe rogan
Wow.
duncan trussell
That's crazy.
joe rogan
Oh my god.
Raised by wolves.
duncan trussell
Look at him.
It's like he got trained by a wolf.
It's the reverse situation.
joe rogan
Look at that.
He took up the habit of smoking cigarettes.
duncan trussell
Wouldn't you if you were surrounded by wolves for your whole childhood?
joe rogan
I need to relax!
jamie vernon
What the fuck?
joe rogan
At least five other?
Did he learn how to talk and everything?
jamie vernon
No, it said that he never learned how to speak.
unidentified
Wow.
duncan trussell
Damn.
jamie vernon
This reminds me of that video we played a few times from Dark White Underbelly with that family.
unidentified
Yeah!
duncan trussell
The boy in Sleeman's story died within five...
Died a few months after being brought back to human society.
joe rogan
Whoa.
duncan trussell
Couldn't deal with it.
He smoked out of the wolf's den.
Where did he get cigarettes?
joe rogan
No.
Did he?
Is that what they're saying?
duncan trussell
It said he smoked out of the wolf's den.
That's kind of weird, right?
joe rogan
So he lived in the wolf's den?
They kept him there?
duncan trussell
Look, where was it?
Wait, the boy in Sleeman's story, like the boy who smoked out of the wolf's den.
Died a few months after being brought back to you.
joe rogan
No, it says, like, was smoked out of the bullshit.
duncan trussell
Oh, what?
joe rogan
Like, smoke them out.
Like, George Bush.
We're gonna smoke them out of their holes.
duncan trussell
Okay, I gotcha.
joe rogan
Remember when W said that?
duncan trussell
Oh, my God.
joe rogan
We're gonna smoke them out of their holes.
duncan trussell
Oh, my God.
Dude, did you see that weird shit with Lindsey Graham?
Like, the way he's like, we're gonna kill Russians.
Like, it's the creepiest shit you ever saw.
Did you see that?
joe rogan
No, I didn't.
duncan trussell
Dude, it's so spooky.
joe rogan
Let me see it.
duncan trussell
You'll have to...
I don't know where I saw it, but it's like he's like with Zelensky and he's like...
joe rogan
I just started getting a stomach ache.
duncan trussell
Dude, it's...
joe rogan
Just you saying that.
I started getting a stomach ache.
duncan trussell
The way he talks about murdering people is really unnerving.
You know where I saw?
I saw it on Tucker Carlson's first Twitter episode.
Did you see that?
joe rogan
No.
duncan trussell
Tucker Carlson's new show on Twitter?
joe rogan
So what is the show?
duncan trussell
It's just him like doing a monologue, basically.
It's like a monologue.
joe rogan
So it's like his old show?
duncan trussell
It's like his old show, but now he's been like...
Unmuzzled.
So it's like Freebase Carlson.
He's like going hard.
And, you know, it's weird.
It's like these days, I think a sign that you're looking at a real journalist is you worry about them.
You're like, you gotta shut up, man.
Like, they're gonna get you, man!
What are you doing?
Are you safe?
Because it gives you that feeling.
And you know what's really interesting about it?
Like, you know, I get, like, people on the left are furious with him, and just like people on the right hate Rachel Maddow or whatever, but he was mocked.
For talking about the UFO wreckage stuff like they People in the comments were like he's talking about UFOs Like it like he like saw a crop circle and talked about it not like let's let's hear it.
unidentified
Here it is I expect in the coming days and weeks For the Ukrainian counteroffensive to yield results, and I'm here to tell you that the last chapter of the Battle of Bagmut is yet to be written.
lindsey graham
I'm here to tell you that the Russian military is about to have holy hell unleashed upon them.
joe rogan
That kind of guy you don't want running anything.
You don't want that guy.
duncan trussell
You don't want that guy running a fucking Starbucks.
joe rogan
That was creepy.
Just the way to talk that way about something with so much weight on it.
Yeah, we went at the point that you're like talking like he's gonna move you're celebrating human the human debt like essentially the human sacrifice of conscripts like you're celebrating Human sacrifice in and in some it's human sacrifice that we've written off as being okay Russia gave him a there's an arrest warrant out for him for those comments that he made from Russia He said my crime was speaking truth to power god damn I hate that phrase that phrase gets Fucking thrown around by a lot of morons,
duncan trussell
you know, I mean I know it's a real phrase and people when they mean it I get it But my crime was speaking truth to power that fucking freaks me out it freaks hawks are creepy dude like it's like Somehow they've managed to get to a place where they can publicly celebrate human violent human like the Just essentially, war is a failure of humanity, right?
So people like him are celebrating death.
It doesn't matter if you're doing the right thing.
Those are still people.
joe rogan
It's also the way he's talking.
duncan trussell
He loves it.
joe rogan
I don't want anyone who gets to make those choices to talk like that.
Says, my crime is speaking truth to power, said Graham.
Russia has illegally invaded Ukraine.
Putin has committed war crimes on an industrial level, and I'm going to keep talking about it.
Freedom allows you to say the things I said.
We live in a country where you can criticize your leaders.
Well, that's kind of true.
But it's just what you said with the magnitude of the weight of your words.
It's on the line and the whole world's listening.
And that's what you said.
duncan trussell
Yeah.
joe rogan
The best money we ever spent.
Like, that's a crazy thing to say.
The whole thing is the Russians are dying.
duncan trussell
It's not a fucking football game, man.
joe rogan
Exactly.
duncan trussell
This isn't a sport.
Exactly.
You can clearly, from the micro, there are times where you're going to have to use violence in a society.
There's times where someone's losing their mind, swinging a samurai sword in the middle of the street, and Or whatever and like cops have to take him out.
There's obviously, this is obvious, but like to then like celebrate that you had to like kill a lunatic or something is so dark.
Like why not collect their scalps?
Lindsey Graham, if you're so into this shit, why don't we start scalping the fucking Russians?
We'll just cut pieces, start wearing a necklace of Russian fingers, you know, if you're so into murdering people and also ignoring the demographics of the people who are getting fucking slaughtered.
I mean, you can see videos of them being dragged out of their houses and taken to the middle of Ukraine to just get thrown into a fucking blender, dude.
And that's what he's tap dancing about.
It's crazy.
joe rogan
And that way of talking that he just did is like it's a standard politician's way of addressing a very complex issue.
They do it with like there was a there was a rah-rah aspect to that.
We're gonna unleash holy hell on them Russians.
duncan trussell
Pep rally.
joe rogan
Pep rally.
duncan trussell
Pep rally for murdering people, dude.
joe rogan
Yeah, because it is a football thing.
Saying it like that, it's like, we're gonna go fucking kick their ass.
It's a team.
duncan trussell
Right.
But for sure, there is no financial motivation in what Lindsey Graham is doing.
joe rogan
No one would do that.
All that money is just a coincidence.
duncan trussell
Yeah, yeah.
It's so fucking dark, man.
It's really so confusing to me because I guess I'm a naive idiot that people like that even exist.
joe rogan
Well, also that they exist on the left now.
That's what's weird.
duncan trussell
Yeah.
Oh, you mean like – yeah, right.
joe rogan
Because the general – Lindsey Graham, is he a Democrat or Republican?
duncan trussell
Republican.
joe rogan
He's a Republican.
duncan trussell
Right?
He's a Republican.
joe rogan
So they're all united on this idea.
Of course he's a Republican.
But they're all united on this idea that they should continue.
There's no one, whether it's a Republican or a Democrat, like the Democrats are always anti-war, always.
duncan trussell
Oh, yeah.
joe rogan
Always.
duncan trussell
Oh, yeah.
joe rogan
This is the first time where the Democrats are, like, wholesale buying the narrative.
And we have to stop Putin.
We have to support Ukraine.
I mean, how many Democrat peaceful people that used to have syringes in their Twitter bio now have a Ukraine flag?
duncan trussell
Right.
Yeah.
If you...
Articulate just the general common sense reality that war, we don't want war.
joe rogan
We don't want war.
duncan trussell
That we want, we don't want anyone to die.
I don't want Russians to die or Ukrainians to die.
We want to elevate our species to the point where somehow we can get along with each other without like resorting to incinerating people.
joe rogan
And because the message is coming from Trump People completely dismiss it, but did you see that interview with him?
Where he said, I would end the Ukraine war in a day.
duncan trussell
Right.
joe rogan
And he said, do you not want Ukraine to win?
Do you want Russia to win?
He goes, no, I want people to stop dying.
duncan trussell
Yeah.
Yeah.
I saw that.
Dude.
joe rogan
It's perfect.
duncan trussell
You're allowed to say that.
joe rogan
Let's find that.
Because they're playing gotcha.
Gotcha.
On a subject.
They're doing gotcha interview real quick.
You don't have much time with them.
So you've got to get a gotcha.
And they're doing this with a subject that literally has the fate of the world.
In front of it.
duncan trussell
Right.
joe rogan
Because if nuclear war breaks out because of all this, and these people are just flippantly supporting this continued conflict with no talk at all about some sort of a compromise.
duncan trussell
Yeah.
joe rogan
Some sort of a conversation.
duncan trussell
Anything.
Or just starting a conversation.
Just starting one.
joe rogan
Let's hear what he says.
donald j trump
If I were president, and I say this, I will end that war in one day.
joe biden
It'll take 24 hours.
I know Zelensky well.
unidentified
I know Putin well.
joe biden
I would get that ended in a period of 24 hours.
unidentified
You could break that deal.
100%.
It would be easy.
joe biden
That deal would be easy.
A lot of it has to do with the money.
donald j trump
A lot of it has to do with the military, you know, that we're giving.
But I would get that deal done within 24 hours.
joe biden
That war has to be stopped.
donald j trump
That war is a disaster.
unidentified
Final thought.
Are you going to win next year?
duncan trussell
Cool socks.
joe rogan
No, that's not...
joe biden
Very good chance.
joe rogan
That's not the same interview.
There was another interview.
A woman was interviewing him, I believe, and she asked, I think it was a woman, asked if he wanted Russia to win.
It was some weird gotcha interview.
He said, I want people to stop dying.
Yeah, this is it.
That's the CNN thing.
duncan trussell
Yes.
joe rogan
Yeah.
donald j trump
Let me just put it a nicer way.
If I'm president, I will have that war settled in one day, 24 hours.
unidentified
How would you settle that war in one day?
joe biden
Because I'll meet with Putin.
unidentified
I'll meet with Zelensky.
donald j trump
They both have weaknesses and they both have strengths.
joe biden
And within 24 hours, that war will be settled.
duncan trussell
It'll be over.
joe biden
It'll be absolutely over.
unidentified
Do you want Ukraine to win this war?
joe biden
I don't think in terms of winning and losing.
donald j trump
I think in terms of getting it settled so we stop killing all these people and breaking them.
joe rogan
So I paraphrased it.
I fucked it up.
But that's essentially his answer.
I think maybe even after that he might have actually said I want people to stop dying.
duncan trussell
It's crazy that that's a controversial statement.
And it's crazy that people can't, like because he's saying it, they invalidate it.
joe rogan
Exactly.
duncan trussell
It's so weird.
The truth.
The idea is there's the truth.
It doesn't matter if it's coming out of a radio that has woven into it human skull fragments that Manson owned the radio.
It doesn't matter if the radio is spewing truth.
That's truth.
It's truth.
And I always thought that was sort of the general consensus, like, among people who were sane, was it's not good to blow each other up.
And, you know, I get it.
It's like, okay, well, then what about when invasions happen?
What about when land grabs happen, when some new creepy imperialism happens or Hitler happens or whatever?
What about that?
But look at the fucking letter.
Gandhi wrote a letter to Hitler.
Did you ever see that?
joe rogan
Yeah.
duncan trussell
You know, like, the idea is, like, you just try.
It's, like, worth trying.
Like, get people to talk, hang out, sit down.
You can't fail worse than war.
unidentified
Right.
duncan trussell
So any attempt at, like, stopping a war...
Without World War III or violence or whatever, it's glorious.
Even if it fails, even if it makes you look like a weak, pathetic piece of shit, long term you're going to look great if you were a peacemaker in the world versus a Lindsey Graham.
Lindsey Grahams, man, history does not look at them in a kind way.
joe rogan
No.
They're the evil characters when you watch a YouTube video on 9-11.
It's these people behind the scenes.
It's these people that lie about weapons of mass destruction.
It's like there's a type of person that you see that gets into office.
And there's this shameless politician aspect of them that just gives me the creeps.
It gives me the creeps when anybody talks like that about war.
Because it's so consequential.
Everything's on the line.
Humanity's on the line.
Civilization's on the line.
The future of your children's on the line.
Everything's on the line.
And to, like, make it and boil it down to a rah-rah football pep rally speech is crazy.
duncan trussell
You know, an AI wizard out there who wants to do something that will probably be very controversial?
Needs to put together a montage of the videos of all the drones blowing up Russians and replace the adults with kids so that you see the children version of them being blown up.
You know, because that's the weird thing about it.
Once you get to a certain height At that point, we celebrate you getting exploded.
But, you know, like, if kids were doing this shit, like, we would end it immediately, regardless of...
This is like, I don't...
If my kids are squabbling and, like, one of them bites the other or something or, like, whatever, like, it doesn't matter anymore about the fairness or whatever is happening.
It's like, we gotta...
You can't do that.
Stop the violence.
joe rogan
Right.
duncan trussell
Yeah, man.
That's the thing.
To conduct a successful war, you really have to disconnect from the human reality of who is fighting the wars.
Have you seen those Pergozin?
Is his name Pergozin?
The guy who runs his own battalion?
The private contractor who is fighting Bakhmut?
That crazy guy?
joe rogan
I'm not aware of this.
duncan trussell
Basically, there was a video that popped up of someone getting their head smashed in with a hammer.
I did see that.
unidentified
Who is that that got his head smashed in?
duncan trussell
He was somebody who didn't want to fight anymore.
joe rogan
That's what it was?
duncan trussell
Yeah, and to send the signal out, like this is what happens if you try to run away, we'll just smash your head in.
joe rogan
Oh, Jesus Christ.
duncan trussell
So it's like...
joe rogan
So he was a fellow Russian?
duncan trussell
Yes.
Yeah, man.
I mean, that's the idea.
It's like, stop.
Just know that the people who are out there thought it was a training mission, apparently.
And if they try to defect and get out of there or whatever, they're probably going to get killed.
So it's not like you're...
joe rogan
Was that a Russian guy that got killed or a Ukraine guy got killed?
duncan trussell
I thought it was a Russian dude.
jamie vernon
As you're saying, and I'm reading about him, do you think...
He says he recruited prisoners.
Is there any chance he...
I don't know.
unidentified
Said he recruited, this is the guy that got killed?
jamie vernon
Purgosian is the guy who controlled the troops, I think.
joe rogan
Is he the guy that got killed with the hammer?
jamie vernon
I don't think so.
joe rogan
No.
duncan trussell
No.
joe rogan
The guy that got killed with the hammer was just a soldier.
duncan trussell
A soldier.
joe rogan
What am I talking about?
This marijuana is just too strong.
duncan trussell
I can't follow the narrative.
You know what?
I saw you go deeper than I, this time I didn't do it.
In so many of these episodes, I forget the potency of this, what you have here.
It's so good.
But, yeah, man.
joe rogan
So, this guy ordered people out there.
And then when people said, hey, this isn't a fucking training run.
This is a real war.
duncan trussell
Yeah.
joe rogan
I don't want to fight in this war.
duncan trussell
That's what I read.
I don't know if that's true.
joe rogan
And they killed that guy with a hammer.
The guy seemed like resigned to his fate.
duncan trussell
Dude, it's crazy that the thing is when you so like the big critique of Russia that Lindsey Graham has is you get arrested if you say anything, right?
Yeah Meaning if we have prisoners who've been quote recruited fighting out there then the Russia is sending Anti-Putin people into a meat grinder to die.
So you spoke out against Russia, you've been in a Russian prison, you get recruited, and then they just send you into all of these weapons given to Ukraine by the Western world.
You're just dead.
It's a death sentence.
So that's the, you know, so when you break it down at that level, suddenly these aren't like these fucking Russians are like, let me go invade the place where my mother-in-law lives.
joe rogan
Right.
duncan trussell
You know, it's like, it's not like that.
It's like many of them are having, they have to do it.
There's no way out.
Unless you want to die.
So you have to choose, like, which way do I want to die?
Want to get blown up by some fucking Ukrainian drone?
Or do I want to get my head smashed in?
On YouTube.
On YouTube.
joe rogan
Yeah.
duncan trussell
It's really fucked up, man.
joe rogan
In all fairness, I think YouTube would take that down.
duncan trussell
I think they changed it.
I think they're changing, aren't they?
Did I dream that YouTube was like loosening up so we could watch those videos again on YouTube?
joe rogan
Really?
duncan trussell
I could be wrong, but I feel like there was some shift in their censorship model that was happening, but I could be wrong about that.
joe rogan
Well, it's not when it comes to RFK Jr. They're deleting his old podcasts.
They deleted one from Theo Vaughn from a year ago, and they deleted one from Hot Boxing with Mike Tyson, which is more than a year ago, too.
duncan trussell
Weird.
I did not know that.
joe rogan
They just did it.
duncan trussell
What the fuck?
joe rogan
They just started doing that.
duncan trussell
Isn't that illegal if someone's running for president?
You can't do that, right?
joe rogan
I don't know what.
You could say that it's because of misinformation, and this is because he talks about vaccines.
And, you know, he talks about he was an environmental attorney before he, you know, was anything.
And, you know, his whole thing was trying to hold companies accountable for what they're doing by ruining the environment and lying about it.
And for them to take that guy and say, you can't do that with other stuff.
You can't talk about other stuff.
How come no one wants to hear him out?
How come no one wants to hear him out?
That book, The Real Anthony Fauci, is fucking terrifying.
And if it's not true, why isn't he getting sued?
If that book is true, if all the things that he's saying and he has references for everything, if it's all accurate, we should all read that book.
Everyone should read that book.
duncan trussell
Right.
joe rogan
Because if it's true, it's terrifying.
You've been captured by an industry that's forced you into becoming a source of income for them.
duncan trussell
Dude, censorship has this component of condescension in it.
That, to me, is the worst part.
Essentially, you're saying, you're too dumb to parse this information in a rational way, so we're gonna protect you from it because it's like a poison.
It's gonna infect your brain, and we have to protect you.
That is really...
First of all, That's bad parenting in general.
You know what I mean?
The idea would be that you teach your kid to confront false things, learn why they're not real, and then instead of trying to prevent your kid from seeing everything.
Like, I'm not letting my kid watch Blade Runner or some shit like that, but just that if you get too overprotective with your kids, like try to hide death from them, for example.
That sort of thing.
Like, you gotta trust we can deal with it.
It's safe for us to encounter all forms of information.
joe rogan
Well, the problem is...
duncan trussell
What?
joe rogan
...when the time they're real little, you're lying to them.
Santa Claus gonna come to bring you all the toys.
He's gonna come down the chimney.
He's gonna magically appear.
duncan trussell
Yeah.
Just teach your kid what the word egregore means and you can do Santa Claus ethically.
joe rogan
What's egregore?
duncan trussell
Egregore is like the name for like a thing that exists within the minds of a lot of people.
It's an egregore.
So like if enough people believe in something, does it have a material reality?
Not necessarily, but within the psychic mind space, It's real.
It's there.
joe rogan
Right, like Santa Claus is a thing.
duncan trussell
Yeah, an egregore.
Santa Claus is an egregore.
Obviously, there's no real Santa Claus, but there is a very vivid, living entity within the interconnected minds of everyone who believes in it.
That's an egregore.
joe rogan
The problem is, if you tell your kid that Santa's an egregore, and then your kid's gonna tell all the kids at school, and then you're the asshole.
That's the problem.
duncan trussell
I'll be honest, Joe.
I have not told my kids Santa's an egregore.
I just thought of it.
I'm like, maybe I'll do egregore this Christmas.
But yeah, you're right.
joe rogan
There's like a battle.
Like, you get kids together, you know, and you talk to parents like, hey, have you done the Santa Claus talk?
No.
Like, how old are they?
They're five.
Five and six.
Like, if you get to that age where you're like, okay, when are you gonna tell these kids?
duncan trussell
When do you tell?
joe rogan
When do you tell them?
They don't like it when you tell them either.
They get very sad.
duncan trussell
So is that like, is that what these people think about us?
joe rogan
But it's weird that they grow up with a lie.
That's what I don't like.
You grow up with a lie.
It's a stupid lie.
And you convince a child that this lie that we all have mutually agreed upon, it's fucking kind of, Santa Claus is kind of dangerous.
Because it sets people up at a very early age for the reality that, the possibility rather, that everything you believe in is bullshit.
duncan trussell
It's misinformation, Joe.
joe rogan
But everything you believe in is propaganda.
It's propaganda by your parents to get you to be good.
duncan trussell
Yeah.
unidentified
You better be good, you better be nice.
duncan trussell
Better than hell.
At least you're not doing the hell thing.
joe rogan
Santa Claus is coming to town.
He knows when you are sleeping.
He knows when you're awake.
He knows if you've been bad or good, so be good for goodness sake.
duncan trussell
He's breaking child predator laws by monitoring kids.
joe rogan
Santa Claus is like the ultimate overlord in the sky.
duncan trussell
It's a panopticon, man.
It's a fucking materialistic panopticon.
You're being constantly monitored by some mythical North Pole thing that's probably, like, I guarantee if we look at the way Santa is paying those fucking elves, I guarantee it's like they don't want to be there.
Elves don't want to be in the North Pole.
The whole thing's fucked up.
You had elf on the fucking shelf.
You know about Elf on the Shelf?
joe rogan
We had to do that.
duncan trussell
Elf on the Shelf.
Now you have a little fucking plastic security camera that's watching your kids all the time.
If they touch it, it loses its magic.
joe rogan
Hilarious.
duncan trussell
So you put into the kids this neurotic thing.
Think of how many kids have touched Elf on the Shelf and not taught their parents and live with that guilt.
Like knowing they fucking depleted the Elf's magic.
It's not coming back.
This is sinister at one level.
It's really fucking weird.
joe rogan
It's lies.
And it's lies that are unnecessary.
It's not lies about something stupid.
It's lies about whether or not there's elves flying around your fucking house.
You're getting your kids to believe in nonsense very early on.
Instead of just reading fun books where they know it's pretend, where you can just pretend.
duncan trussell
And also when you realize like the whole thing is just connected to getting the economy to get a little better once a year.
You know what I mean?
The whole thing is just to drive up the fucking economy by manipulating children into believing in a fucking Santa Claus.
That is wild.
joe rogan
Yeah.
You were saying something about psilocybin, the psilocybin study, about something about connecting to brain and memory.
You're saying what they recently discovered?
unidentified
Oh, yeah.
duncan trussell
Yeah, they did some study.
The article here was really funny because...
They're like, okay, we found the receptors that psilocybin is working on, and the way it affects the receptors is a thousand times more potent than antidepressants.
And now that they know where these receptors are, theoretically, they could invent a medicine that doesn't get people high.
It's so sad that you're celebrating that?
Like, why?
We already have the medicine.
The medicine works.
Why do we need to synthesize that?
It grows out of the ground.
But they're like, now that we understand it, we can synthesize it and take away one of the best things about it.
joe rogan
Duncan, we figured it out and it's the best money ever spent.
duncan trussell
Goddamn.
joe rogan
Same people.
duncan trussell
Yeah, exactly.
joe rogan
Same people.
duncan trussell
Exactly.
joe rogan
Instead of saying, hey, we should legislate.
We should change the laws.
We really need to rally about this.
This is an actual important medication for humanity.
duncan trussell
Yeah.
joe rogan
It actually could make people nicer.
It might have made people people.
duncan trussell
The problem is, it's apparently too easy to grow those fucking mushrooms, man.
unidentified
Yeah, they want to be here.
duncan trussell
It's too easy.
So it's like, you can't grow an antidepressant.
You can't fucking create a Lexapro aquarium.
joe rogan
That's exactly what the problem is.
And we're captive.
We're captive by this industry.
That uses you to make money on a regular basis and will oppose anything that gets in the way of that profit, even if that thing is overall net positive for humanity, which psilocybin is.
duncan trussell
Horrible.
Dude, I just revisited the thalamide thing.
You ever look into that?
joe rogan
Thalidomide.
duncan trussell
Thalidomide, thank you.
That shit, like, you know, it's kind of like...
The United States does the, what's the name of the incident they did in Vietnam that triggered the war, like the Gulf of Tompkins.
So they do that.
And then we get in this stupid war.
Okay, then we get the yellow, what's the yellow cake?
The yellow cake thing to justify the invasion of Iraq, right?
Comes out, that wasn't real.
We just buy into that somehow now we got better.
Like now it all makes sense.
So the thalidomide, it's a perfect example of a pharmaceutical company pushing shit that they knew Was hurting kids.
They wanted to sell it in the United States.
They knew it was fucking kids up.
They somehow warped the studies in a way.
They warped them so much.
It was one woman, I can't remember who, who was like, they were trying to get the right to sell it in the United States.
And she's looking at the study like, this is...
Too good.
Like, something is off here.
Like, this doesn't make sense for any – like, generally anything has, like, more side effects than this shit that they gave whoever she was.
I wish I could remember her name.
But the point is, man, like, to imagine that stopped.
To imagine like that was the only time that's happened and that will never happen again with pharmaceutical companies is really crazy.
joe rogan
Well, it's really crazy that all it took was the pandemic for people to think that way.
But the problem is the way you think about it with the information that you have about thalidomide, with the information you have about the opioid crisis and...
duncan trussell
The Sacklers.
joe rogan
The Sacklers, yeah.
And they just got immunity.
They gave up immunity for like $6 billion.
duncan trussell
Wow.
joe rogan
They bribed.
duncan trussell
Yeah, they bribed.
joe rogan
They bought their immunity.
I mean, they lied.
The companies they owned lied.
They got people addicted.
They lost lives.
So many lost lives.
duncan trussell
Yeah, dude.
joe rogan
So many lost lives.
Vioxx, the Vioxx scandal.
They killed 60,000, 50,000, 60,000 people in America.
duncan trussell
Same with thalidomide, by the way.
Apparently no one went to jail for that shit.
Like, nobody went to jail.
joe rogan
But the thing is, that's how that business is.
That business has always been like that.
And we're one of two countries in the whole planet Earth that allows them to advertise.
duncan trussell
Those commercials are so weird, Joe.
joe rogan
They're psyops.
Every commercial is a psyop.
Every commercial makes you think that you're gonna be at that barbecue.
You're like, I don't have any friends, but if I take this, I'll be laughing and I'll be on that raft with everybody else, going down the river, having a good old time.
That's what I need.
That's what I need.
Yeah.
duncan trussell
I can't get that song out of my head.
joe rogan
Really, all I needed was a little fucking electric pad on each ear.
duncan trussell
Thank you!
joe rogan
Or some psilocybin, or exercise, or all of the above, except for the electric shock.
duncan trussell
They shouldn't be allowed to advertise, and they should not be allowed to have any lobbyists affecting our government.
joe rogan
And the amount of money they're making right now, bro, they want to keep making that money.
That's the thing about money.
When a corporation has growth, when they have massive growth, like these pharmaceutical drug corporations had when they were manufacturing a medication that everybody had to take, when they make that money and then it's over, they don't want to go back to 2018 levels.
Fuck that.
duncan trussell
You can't.
joe rogan
We've got to figure out a way to sell more.
duncan trussell
Yeah, you just want to sell more.
joe rogan
Or come up with some new thing.
duncan trussell
And I think when you get in those corporations, when you're working in them, it's a filter bubble.
So like, you know, if you look at corporations as cults, you know, there's a cult-like aspect to corporations.
So you get into the cult and then over time you get indoctrinated into like resonating with whatever their particular version of reality, whatever their reality tunnel is.
And so I think in that reality tunnel, They truly believe that everything they're doing makes sense, that it's good to do, that it's all justified.
Because some of them, when confronted, they seem authentically shocked.
They seem like, wait, we're trying to help.
They don't seem to have connected to how weird it is to have that massive a profit margin When it comes to giving people medicine to heal them.
You know what I mean?
Like the idea being just generally you should not be profiting off of diabetics at the level you are with insulin, you know?
joe rogan
Like generally, Selected top diabetes drugs is expected sales in 2020 and 2024. Wow.
jamie vernon
They make a lot of money on diabetes drugs.
joe rogan
Jesus Christ.
So with these diabetes drugs, they make a lot of money off this stuff.
And if people all got healthy, that would all go away.
duncan trussell
Exactly.
So then there's that weird, you know, if you want to sell umbrellas, you need a terrain.
So then, you know, weirdly, the moment you start making mega profit off of people's sickness, you have, like, under the surface of everything, you need people to be sick to continue to take those great fucking vacations.
And so that's where it gets really creepy, right?
That's the creepy part.
joe rogan
You need them to be ill.
You want them to be ill.
duncan trussell
And then, I don't know, if you looked up, I don't know the exact amount, but apparently there's a huge percentage of money coming into networks from the pharmaceutical companies that's holding them up, which is why, I guess you could just understand how much money they're getting.
Just every time you see a pharmaceutical company commercial come on on anything you're watching, Make note of that.
And then you can see how much that programming is being paid for by these companies.
Dude, that's really spooky, man, because then...
joe rogan
Then they become kind of the de facto government.
duncan trussell
Yeah.
joe rogan
They become sort of like the communications mouth of the country.
duncan trussell
Yeah.
joe rogan
I mean, because that's essentially what news anchors are.
Do you see, is it true, this thing about Anderson Cooper that they're saying, that he was given $12 million to promote vaccines?
Somebody posted that on Twitter.
unidentified
$12 million?
And I was like, what?!
joe rogan
That they gave him $12 million to promote vaccines during the pandemic?
jamie vernon
That's definitely reshaping everything.
His contract is for $12 million a year.
So that's just his contract with CNN. So why are they saying it like that?
joe rogan
I think it was like a fairly reputable source, right?
jamie vernon
I mean, I just typed in Anderson Cooper, $12 million.
There's articles from a couple years ago about that's what he reportedly earns.
joe rogan
Right, but if...
jamie vernon
It says he won't leave his son in his inheritance because he comes from a very rich family.
joe rogan
Right, but was it $12 million on top of that that they asked him?
Did you find that?
To promote vaccines.
jamie vernon
How would someone know that?
joe rogan
I don't know, but maybe they do.
Maybe they don't, but let's find out.
So it says Anderson Cooper was given $12 million to promote vaccines.
jamie vernon
Yeah, there's a website called, it's not a reputable website that says Pfizer pays millions to CNN for COVID jab promotion, which is like, that's...
joe rogan
Well, they pay for ads.
jamie vernon
Right.
joe rogan
Yeah.
duncan trussell
I mean, that's what that is.
joe rogan
Okay, so that's a slippery way of phrasing things, just like that other stupid fucking headline.
duncan trussell
You can't really...
joe rogan
What was the other stupid headline again that drove us nuts?
Oh, about Al Pacino.
unidentified
Yeah.
joe rogan
Yeah, that.
duncan trussell
Yeah, you just, you can't skim.
joe rogan
How gross is that?
But that stupid headline was crazy.
Because that made it look like, oh my god, there's money, grubbing whore, and he's mad, and he got a paternity test.
He's like, not so!
unidentified
I love it that my loads work!
duncan trussell
Hooah!
Mother time!
You know, I think that the issue is, regardless of whether someone's writing someone a check, Or whether or not it just is in your paycheck from the company that's getting checks from another place, it's just like it's adding this extra...
It's like the people who put their money in the Cayman Islands or whatever.
It's like adding this extra layer to you getting money from those corporations.
It's also what they do at firing squads, right?
We only put...
joe rogan
Yeah, so many people have bullets.
unidentified
Right.
duncan trussell
Right.
So if you want to ignore the reality that some of the journalism you're doing is being warped a little bit by the network, potentially.
I don't know if this happens.
I'm guessing it does.
What?
It probably doesn't.
unidentified
Maybe doesn't.
joe rogan
Maybe they really think that way.
duncan trussell
I'm a little stoned right now.
joe rogan
I get it.
duncan trussell
But, you know, it creates this ability for you to sort of, like, cope with that cognitive dissonance.
So, like, you don't have to, like, go home and think, am I really a journalist?
jamie vernon
I think this is what you might have seen.
joe rogan
Breaking.
Robert Kennedy Jr. claims that 80% of Anderson Cooper's $12 million salary comes from Pfizer.
jamie vernon
I read an article that was saying that he was...
I couldn't find the interview yet, but in an interview he said that 10 million of that 12 is coming directly from Pfizer and he's promoting it separately, but I don't know where he got that information from.
duncan trussell
Can you find what percentage of advertising dollars for CNN comes from pharmaceutical companies?
jamie vernon
Not CNN specifically, but in that same article I've seen with this, he makes the claim, which we've read before, is that 75% of advertising revenues in the mainstream media comes from that.
But I just found an article from Last month, February.
It says at least for TV that's down, but it's because they're changing the spending to digital buys.
joe rogan
You see they fired the CNN guy?
The top guy again?
unidentified
Who?
joe rogan
The guy who's only been there for a year.
duncan trussell
Oh yeah, my wife was telling me something like that.
joe rogan
Because it keeps imploding.
CNN's imploding.
duncan trussell
Alright, yeah.
They just can't seem to get the air back in the tire, can they?
joe rogan
Yeah, they've got a stink on them.
duncan trussell
Yeah, they do.
unidentified
They kept on limits.
duncan trussell
Fuck.
joe rogan
They kept him in the box too long.
People didn't like him.
They felt like he was, you know...
duncan trussell
Naked and Afraid, Don Lemon, Tucker Carlson.
joe rogan
That's the show.
That's how he comes back.
duncan trussell
Yeah.
joe rogan
I got my money on Tucker.
duncan trussell
Yeah, well, he fishes.
He's like...
I don't know if Don Lemon's a fisherman, but I think Carlson's gonna...
I bet Carlson will bring a fishing pole.
You know that you can bring two things or something like that?
He'll probably bring his fishing pole.
What does Lemon bring?
joe rogan
I don't know.
Alone would be better.
Alone is the best.
duncan trussell
I love that show so much.
joe rogan
That's the best.
They throw you to the wolves.
You're by yourself with like a bow and arrow and a hatchet.
duncan trussell
So good.
joe rogan
You get like three things.
You get a bucket.
duncan trussell
I was hooked on that show.
So fun to sit on your couch like eating and watching these people out there starving in the cold.
joe rogan
I had a guy who was on who won it.
Jordan Jonas.
It was a ringer, if there was ever a ringer.
Because he's lived in Siberia with the indigenous tribes.
duncan trussell
That's the unfair part of the show.
unidentified
They're putting people like that against people they found at a bar and were like, I want to be on TV! Or it's just some girl who's hot and wants a lot of money for her Instagram.
duncan trussell
They're out in the wilderness for two days and are like, I have to see my kids!
They're out.
joe rogan
But if you're going to do a show like that, Like, you're not gonna get that much attention for quitting.
Like, and there's a lot of money if you win, right?
duncan trussell
Yeah.
joe rogan
Like, what do they win?
Like, half a million dollars?
duncan trussell
I don't remember, but it's a shit ton.
joe rogan
I think it's a lot.
Is it half a million?
unidentified
Yep.
joe rogan
Yeah.
So, you're gonna get ringers, for the most part.
You're gonna want a real competition, you know?
Like, the more episodes...
You get, the longer these people stay in there, the more episodes you get, right?
duncan trussell
Yeah, man.
Yeah.
You want them.
joe rogan
And they're by themselves, filming themselves.
duncan trussell
And the more drama, man, the more views you're gonna get.
So, like, you know...
joe rogan
So they only stop to visit them to give them batteries and shit, right?
duncan trussell
I just...
I don't understand the filming process, because, like, I was looking at some of the shots, and it's like, how are they getting these shots?
Like, are you...
joe rogan
They set up cameras.
They have a tripod and they're supposed to set up their camera and then film things so that they're doing certain things.
duncan trussell
It's just all the survival shit to imagine before commencing with your survival activity.
You're like setting up a GoPro on a tripod.
joe rogan
Yeah, but hunters do that all the time.
duncan trussell
Oh, they do?
Oh, I didn't know that.
Oh, that's cool.
joe rogan
Yeah, they actually have one that actually is an iPhone.
It's a magnetic thing for your iPhone that sits on your front stabilizer.
I'm sorry, I forget the name of it, but it's pretty cool.
So when you draw your bow back, you can actually press record on your iPhone and film the flight of the arrow with your iPhone.
duncan trussell
That's so cool.
joe rogan
So you can film the animal coming in, you can film the flight of your arrow, and it's actually good For ethical reasons, because you can see whether or not you made a perfect shot, and so if you made a perfect shot, just let the animal die, and don't freak it out and chase it.
You see where it goes.
You could follow the trail, because you're visually looking at the film, like if you shot off to the right, there he goes.
And they do that all the time.
So if you wanted to set up, like, people do that all the time in deer hunting.
They set up cameras.
They have, like, camera arms.
They have on tree stands and shit.
Have you ever seen those?
duncan trussell
No.
joe rogan
This whole show is dedicated to whitetail hunting out of a tree stand.
It is a religion in the Midwest.
duncan trussell
Whitetail hunting?
joe rogan
Whitetail hunting is a religion.
It's the number one hunted animal, big game animal in North America.
Whitetail deer.
unidentified
Dude, people become obsessed with it.
joe rogan
They become obsessed to the point where they create habitat for the deer to live.
Like, they buy enormous farms and set up food plots.
duncan trussell
Holy shit.
joe rogan
So they're feeding the deer, essentially, with food.
duncan trussell
Right.
joe rogan
They have alfalfa, like, growing everywhere.
unidentified
Yeah.
joe rogan
The deer just are constantly in their area eating.
And then they hide in trees and wait until the wind is right.
So you don't want, like, a northeast wind that's, like, blowing the wrong way so your scent is going all over the field.
You don't want that.
So you want to get the right tree stand with the right wind and you sneak in.
On these animals that have been growing, eating your fucking alfalfa for years and years and years, getting jacked and looking good.
And all of a sudden, one day, he's out there eating and thwack!
He feels an arrow goes through his ribcage.
duncan trussell
Jesus Christ.
joe rogan
Yeah.
But here's the other ethical dilemma.
duncan trussell
What?
joe rogan
They don't have any predators.
I mean, there's occasional mountain lions, occasional coyotes.
How are you keeping these populations down?
Because the number of car accidents that people have with deer in Iowa alone must be off the charts.
We've done this before, right, where we looked at the number of car accidents per year.
Isn't it like something bonkers?
Yeah.
The number of car accidents per year in the United States, it's a crazy number.
duncan trussell
You ever had a deer run in front of your car?
joe rogan
Yes.
duncan trussell
Dude, it's so scary.
It's like they're so fast.
joe rogan
Oh yeah, and they fuck up.
They make bad choices.
duncan trussell
Yeah!
joe rogan
Especially when you're around here, and it's like November, December, January.
Be careful.
Because that's when they're horny.
And that's when they're trying to fuck.
And they will run right out into traffic.
And they chase does.
They're chasing does because they're trying to fuck them, and the does don't want to fuck them, so the does will run right into traffic.
It's a romantic movie.
duncan trussell
How weird is it that horniness has the exact same component through all species, right?
Like a horny human will also run into traffic.
We'll also do stupid shit.
It's so weird.
It really makes you dumb when you're horny.
joe rogan
100%.
jamie vernon
According to State Farm, between July 21 and June 22, they're down 5.5% from the previous 1.9 million animal collisions, and 67% of those are deer.
duncan trussell
202 deaths.
jamie vernon
So it's like over a million are deer almost.
Probably 1.1 or 2 million are deer collisions.
unidentified
Holy shit, dude.
duncan trussell
202 people killed by deer.
joe rogan
That is nuts.
My friend Cam Haynes in his hometown, or near his hometown rather, some guy hit a deer with his car and it flew through the air and came through the window and killed the guy behind him.
duncan trussell
Jesus Christ.
joe rogan
Just impaled him in a seat.
duncan trussell
Are you liable for that?
joe rogan
How could you be?
duncan trussell
If you ping-ponged a deer?
joe rogan
I mean, I'm sure you're in the conversation, because you hit the deer first.
But, you know, if you're on the highway and you hit a deer, whose fucking fault is it?
Like, you can't stop quick enough when you're going 60 miles an hour.
jamie vernon
What state do you think is number one?
joe rogan
For getting animals hit?
Well, you have to think of cars driving a lot through interstates.
Kansas?
Ohio?
jamie vernon
Neither are in the top ten.
duncan trussell
Really?
Iowa?
jamie vernon
Iowa's number ten.
joe rogan
Wow.
What's number one?
jamie vernon
West Virginia.
joe rogan
Oh, that makes sense.
They must be infested in those hills up there.
jamie vernon
And then Montana.
So it's...
duncan trussell
Dude, that's...
joe rogan
Montana's number two?
jamie vernon
Yeah.
duncan trussell
You could do like a cemetery of just people killed by deer.
joe rogan
Yeah.
duncan trussell
That is...
I had no idea, man.
That's so creepy.
joe rogan
Yeah, that's fucked.
duncan trussell
To think your whole life you're thinking you're going to do a heart attack or old age and a fucking deer is going to slam into you one night.
joe rogan
You get up in the morning and go, you know what?
That's it.
No more sugar.
I'm cutting sugar out of my diet.
I'm going to start taking yoga again.
I'm going to find a yoga class.
And then fucking deer through the face.
duncan trussell
Look at that, dude.
That's so fucked up.
joe rogan
Yeah.
It happens all the time.
And a lot of times when they come through, their guts come through too.
So it's not just a deer that comes through.
It's like you hit it and then it goes through your windshield and when it goes through your windshield, you're just covered in gore.
duncan trussell
Covered in gore.
And you know what?
Okay, so like if we found some statistic for how many nighttime handjobs happen in Ohio when people are driving...
joe rogan
Where they get hit by a deer?
duncan trussell
I'm telling you, a few people are probably...
joe rogan
Why do I say handjobs?
What about head?
duncan trussell
You know what?
You got me.
joe rogan
That's more exciting anyway.
duncan trussell
I've gotten more car hand jobs than car blowjobs.
joe rogan
Yeah, I've only gotten a couple of car blowjobs a lifetime.
It's a dangerous operation.
duncan trussell
I don't like it.
joe rogan
It's not for everybody.
And it's definitely when you're done, you're like, what the fuck is wrong with me?
duncan trussell
Because if you wreck, they could accidentally clench their teeth.
joe rogan
Well, yeah, also, you could wreck.
Like, you're not paying attention, you could hit someone.
Like, you fucking selfish prick.
unidentified
Like, he's gonna bite my dick!
joe rogan
Like, oh my god.
duncan trussell
Well, look, man, it's just like...
joe rogan
It's just pay attention.
You're not supposed to look at your phone while you're driving.
You shouldn't be getting your dick sucked.
duncan trussell
You should not be getting your dick sucked.
joe rogan
Don't look at your phone and don't suck...
get your dick sucked.
And don't suck anybody's dick, either.
duncan trussell
We're getting old.
joe rogan
We're telling people, don't drink.
unidentified
Don't drink and don't give car blowjobs.
joe rogan
Don't give your head while you're driving.
duncan trussell
What have we turned into?
joe rogan
What have we turned into?
unidentified
Santa Claus is a PSYOP! Yeah, Santa Claus is fake.
joe rogan
UFO is probably real.
unidentified
How about that?
duncan trussell
How about that, man?
joe rogan
Oh my god.
When that guy was talking, when he was explaining that we've retrieved vehicles of non-human origin.
duncan trussell
And pilots!
joe rogan
And pilots.
duncan trussell
Dude!
joe rogan
Yeah.
duncan trussell
Pilots!
joe rogan
Yeah.
duncan trussell
It is astounding.
joe rogan
Military whistlebowler claims U.S. has UFO retrieval program.
Air Force veteran David Grush claims the government is covering up UFOs.
Grush claims he has seen evidence of a secret crash retrieval program.
He alleges the U.S. has even retrieved bodies from other species.
That lady looks like an alien.
A little bit like a hot, older alien.
She wants to tell you that you're making big mistakes, Duncan.
duncan trussell
Yeah.
You're making mistakes.
joe rogan
You can come to Alpha Centiculi with me.
duncan trussell
That'd be wild if aliens look like her.
joe rogan
You have like a hot Sigourney Weaver in her prime alien that comes to visit you.
duncan trussell
Please.
That would be the best.
joe rogan
Like Sigourney Weaver from Alien.
duncan trussell
Amazing.
joe rogan
Oh my god.
You know people don't talk about that when they talk about like female heroes of major blockbuster films like That's the big one.
Sigourney Weaver in Alien, that's the big one.
Because you believe every second of it.
It is completely inconsequential that she's a woman in that movie.
That's Aliens.
It starts getting sketchy.
duncan trussell
I liked Aliens.
Aliens is cool.
joe rogan
Here's the problem with Aliens.
Why are they so hard to kill in Alien, but so easy to kill in Aliens?
duncan trussell
They got better weapons.
joe rogan
And then the big mama can't deal with the fucking slow-moving mechanical robot thing.
duncan trussell
Get the fuck outta here.
Yeah, you're totally right.
Fuck outta here.
The first thing was indestructible.
unidentified
Yes.
duncan trussell
Clever.
There was no hope.
Clever.
It was just the opposite of humanity.
joe rogan
It hid in the escape capsule.
duncan trussell
Yeah.
Brilliant.
joe rogan
Remember, she has to kill it and shoot it out into space?
unidentified
Yeah, yeah, yeah.
duncan trussell
Bro.
Okay, here is a nerdy breakdown of Alien that I heard, which is really interesting, which is horror movies.
I think this is like Robert McKee.
He teaches about writing scripts.
Horror movies follow this very predictable pattern.
And there are all these things that are across the board in horror movies.
And one of them is you can't call your mom.
So, you know, and what was the name of the ship in Alien?
Mother.
joe rogan
Yeah.
duncan trussell
And so, like, there's all these, like, recurring, like, archetypical things that pop up in horror movies that freak people out.
Big one is you can't call mommy anymore.
You're like, yeah, yeah.
So you kind of get that in there.
It's so creepy.
joe rogan
It's so creepy that We're at this time where all this UFO information is coming out, but yet people are still very reluctant to buy into it or even give it attention.
It's interesting.
duncan trussell
It's interesting.
joe rogan
People are like, can't be bothered.
unidentified
Dude.
joe rogan
Can't be bothered.
duncan trussell
Listen, because I'm obsessed with it, it's the reaction when you start telling someone, you know, there's...
Now seemingly credible evidence that we have alien spaceships and to watch them be like, okay.
It's so weird.
Dude, and it's so weird that like...
Now it's getting picked up by the mainstream media, but there was this insane pause.
It went nowhere.
Isn't this, if this is true, the most astounding thing in human history?
unidentified
It's the most astounding thing.
joe rogan
It's the most astounding thing.
Because it's the thing that everybody has always wondered.
Are we alone?
Not only are we not alone, but some people know we're not alone and they're not sharing it with everybody else because they want to profit.
duncan trussell
Yeah.
joe rogan
Because they want to back-engineer these things, because they want it for national security reasons, because they want to protect us from the possibility that China gets this technology or Russia gets this technology and then everybody has spaceships.
But you're not the decider.
You don't get to decide whether or not human beings go from cradle to the grave without information that you have that would literally change the way we think about the universe itself.
Like, for you to hold on to that because you want to win?
Get the fuck out of here.
And if some sort of defense contractors are actually involved in this...
I mean, they can't...
I don't know anything about what I'm talking about.
But when you say the government...
Oh, the government's back-engineering UFOs.
When you say the government's building secret hypersonic ships that defy visual...
You can't take photos of them.
You can't take videos of them.
They fly through the sky at insane rates of speed.
Who's making that?
It's not them.
What do you mean the government?
What do you mean?
They don't have the capability to construct those things.
You have to go to defense contractors.
unidentified
Right.
joe rogan
You have to go to the people that make those things.
Yeah, of course.
Like, buddy, why you got to do it by yourself?
Listen, I know you don't trust us because we're not the government, but listen, we work together here.
unidentified
Yeah.
joe rogan
We're going to shut the fuck up, too.
Everybody will shut the fuck up when we make this thing.
unidentified
Right.
joe rogan
Come on, you're going to fuck it up and then China's going to win.
Like, hey, got a good point.
Got a good point, guys.
Let's all get together.
So if you have a spaceship from another planet, I do not think that if you're actively trying to back-engineer that thing that you're not going to involve defense contractors.
You're not going to involve people that make jets?
You're not going to bring them in?
duncan trussell
No, you have to.
joe rogan
Of course.
A hundred percent.
So then it becomes a thing with them.
Imagine them holding on to that.
This is their responsibility.
We have the information that would literally change mankind.
I have to lie to my mom.
You're sitting there having a whiskey with the guys after work.
I've got to lie to my mom.
My mom wants to believe that aliens are real.
I'm like, come on, mom.
It's all bullshit.
Meanwhile, I'm looking at alien spacecrafts seven days a week.
What are we doing, guys?
duncan trussell
And all the implications of that.
The spaceships are the tip of the fucking iceberg.
We don't know motivation.
Assuming all of this stuff is real, now the question is, well, what do they fucking want?
joe rogan
Well, there's all this talk of multiple species, too.
So when we say they, it's like, which ones are we talking about?
Because if you want to go into the motherfucking rabbit hole, if you're going to go deep in the rabbit hole, there's multiple things.
There's like the greys that everybody talks about.
And there's another thing called the tall whites.
People have described them.
They almost look like Scandinavian or something like that.
Like pale skin.
duncan trussell
Are these the Nords?
joe rogan
Yes.
duncan trussell
Okay, yeah.
joe rogan
That's...
And they think that there's different, like, some alien life is probably, you know, 100,000 years ahead of us, 700,000 years ahead of us, a million years ahead of us.
But some alien life is probably millions and millions of years ahead of us.
They probably don't want to fuck with us anymore.
But I bet the intermediate classes, I bet they're like the watchdogs for the universe, to make sure that intelligence reaches that crescendo.
That it reaches that moment where you can join the intergalactic hive of minds.
The moment where all the barbaric instincts of our primate DNA are expunged.
We don't have any of that anymore.
And the civilization reaches some insane harmony with the very universe itself.
duncan trussell
Right.
joe rogan
That's probably where it goes if you don't blow yourself up.
But I think anytime there's a hiccup, we go way back to as barbaric as possible and it takes forever for things to relax.
And you're seeing a microcosm of that with COVID. It's what's accelerated all these different social movements.
It's what's accelerated all these different people that are what they would call activists.
It's accelerated all this.
It's this insane like pause in civilization and then there's this sort of like rapid desire to claim ground and to reformulate and re-change and re-imagine and restructure.
And the government's gonna try to get involved, and social groups are gonna try to get involved.
There's a money grab, and then there's donations, and you find out that some of the people that are involved in the organization are buying mansions.
They're like, don't worry about this mansion, I'm out here doing good work.
There's so much of that.
But I think that's a microcosm of what probably happened when the fucking asteroid slammed into us.
I think when civilization got wiped out, I really believe that it was the worst of the worst.
And that's why we have such horrible instincts.
I think we're just not far enough removed from that to get it, like, strung out of your DNA. Yeah.
And if you look at, like, Pinker's work, if you look at any of these people that are studying crime and violence over time, like, if you just...
I know about anecdotal experiences, I know about your own personal life, but you've got to set that aside for a moment and just look at overall.
duncan trussell
Yeah.
joe rogan
It's getting lower and lower all the time.
It's always going lower.
Except for like weird blips and war.
It's always going lower.
Less crime.
We're trying to figure it out.
But if something goes fucking psycho.
unidentified
Right.
Shaboom!
joe rogan
If Putin says, fuck you!
If Putin really does have cancer and just fucking America!
Fuck yeah!
And then we go back to the worst of the worst.
And it takes a long time.
Long, long, long time to get to where we are now.
It takes 10,000 years.
It takes 10,000 years to get to the place that we've claimed right now.
And we can stop this in its tracks.
It is possible.
The forces that are moving this country in the wrong direction, this terrifying direction, they have power because we've voted them in.
That's a real thing.
And if you don't vote them in anymore, and then the person you vote in has courage, Things can change.
And if people demand it, things can change.
But they have to fucking demand it.
unidentified
Right.
joe rogan
So then they have to pay attention.
And that's a problem.
duncan trussell
Right.
Yeah.
joe rogan
Because you get headlines like that.
You get headlines like that fucking Al Pacino thing.
unidentified
Right.
joe rogan
They're just lying.
They're just trying to get clicks.
That's why CNN is dangerous.
That's why CNN is dangerous.
Because CNN, with their biased reporting, the way they communicate things, people don't trust the news anymore.
duncan trussell
Right.
joe rogan
That's what freaks people out now.
duncan trussell
Okay.
joe rogan
They don't know who to trust anymore, so there's this chaos state where people are very uncertain about sources of information.
duncan trussell
And you know what?
I must say, that is a good thing.
Like, I think that the weird voodoo that has fallen upon so many people believing that what's in your phone, what you're looking at, is a reflection of truth It's really bad.
joe rogan
Like if you want to talk about- The problem is that sometimes it is.
duncan trussell
Well, yeah, I mean, but you- That's the problem.
The job is you have to discern one from the other.
The idea with educating people wasn't like teach them how to do fucking algebra.
It was like teach them how to be rational.
Separate truth from non-truth because the moment people are incapable of doing that, then they become susceptible to con artistry at the highest level.
And the moment that happens, you get all the awful events that have happened throughout history.
So the problem is, man, this replication of reality.
We're getting second-hand, no matter what it is, if you're watching TV or you're looking at your phone or whatever, you're getting second-hand digitized reality.
You've taken...
Fundamental truth, which is nature, and you've converted into some kind of warped digital representation of it.
And so the more you are sort of harmonizing with that, the less you're harmonizing with just basic fundamental truth.
You go outside, you look at the trees, you hear the birds, you know what season it is.
That's real.
That's not misinformation.
That's just fundamentally true.
But we've become separated from that by many, many layers of bullshit.
And you're right.
And so now what do we have?
We have people who are terrified.
Have you heard the term fear-American?
If you're American.
Yeah, like Americans go to other countries and they're all fucking freaked out.
And just completely anxiety-ridden because of the connection to world events or a reality tunnel that's being presented to them by...
Wizards who are getting gold from the alchemists.
That's basically what's happening is the alchemy guild is paying the media wizards and the media wizards are like casting a spell on everyone to believe this very specific Reality tunnel.
That is not real.
And if it is temporary, the very best is temporarily real.
But it's warped.
It's just slightly distorted.
That's the problem.
It's like something in there is true.
But it's been distorted in this bizarre way by the media wizards.
And now everyone has like lost track of the basic human ability that has to be cultivated to detect bullshit.
Like you need to grow that in yourself.
You need to be able to look at anything.
And think, I don't think this is true.
Where did this come from?
Who's, like, every time something pops up, you're very good about it on your podcast, by the way.
You, like, point it out, like, wait, what did you say?
And then you look it up.
And then if it's not true, you admit, you were hoodwinked.
And you're like, yeah, but that's not happening with most people.
They're just reading the fucking thing and they're not researching it.
And my God, that is how you get pickpocketed, man.
unidentified
That's how you get...
That's the worst predicament to find yourself in.
joe rogan
That's such a great way of pointing it out.
That's exactly what it's like.
You're being mentally pickpocketed.
duncan trussell
Yeah, man.
And you're being warped and manipulated.
In social psychology...
One of the weird problems of having a human brain is we remember information.
We don't remember the source.
So if I could just give you some bullshit information, you will forget I told it to you in a hot tub when my eyes were dilated and I was just like rambling about something.
You might accidentally remember that truth is truth because you forgot the source.
And so your brain spits it out.
It's like, yeah, this is reality.
You don't know that that got implanted into you by someone who wanted you to buy shit.
unidentified
You can't remember that.
duncan trussell
What a great rant.
Sorry, man.
joe rogan
I feel like I have- That was amazing.
Do you have boogers?
duncan trussell
Do you have snot coming out of my nose?
unidentified
Can you see?
joe rogan
No, I don't see anything.
duncan trussell
Okay, good.
joe rogan
Do you need a tissue?
duncan trussell
No, it's gone.
I just was getting erotic about it.
You don't want to, like, be rambling about fucking aliens at pharmaceutical companies with a nasty fucking- That just makes you more human, Duncan.
I hope I am.
joe rogan
Yeah.
It all- I feel like- It's all, like, a real example of why we need regulation in that regard.
Like, you need a government oversight that is completely objective, that's not influenced by money.
duncan trussell
Yeah.
joe rogan
That decides what people can and can't say.
Like, what are the odds?
Like, let's just get crazy.
Like, if CNN is the news, what are the odds that CNN would publish an honest investigative discovery into vaccine injuries?
duncan trussell
It would be amazing if they did.
joe rogan
Could you imagine them being able to do that?
duncan trussell
I could see in a strategy meeting, as they're trying to get the network back up to snuff, somebody being like, what if we do this?
And then there's money involved, and then I could see suddenly, like, maybe at some point...
joe rogan
But the money involved is from the ads.
duncan trussell
Right.
It would have to go subscription-based or something.
joe rogan
You have to go back to CNN Plus.
We're reviving CNN Plus to do real journalism.
duncan trussell
Dude, I loved CNN Plus.
joe rogan
Did you?
duncan trussell
No!
I never fucking watched!
No one has ever said that!
joe rogan
You're like, Brian Stelter has the best book club.
duncan trussell
CNN plus definitely like, you know, like at least like the whatever Fox's subsidiary was.
joe rogan
I think that's still available and works.
They showed Roseanne Barr's stand-up comedy special on Fox Nation.
duncan trussell
Yeah, on Fox Nation.
joe rogan
Is that what it is?
Is it called Fox Nation?
duncan trussell
Yeah, Fox Nation.
And I'll admit, man, I came close to...
joe rogan
Subscribing?
duncan trussell
Only because like I like to watch Lifetime movies.
Do you ever watch Lifetime movies?
unidentified
They don't have them on Fox Nation.
Please tell me that's not true.
duncan trussell
No, they don't have Lifetime movies.
Fox Nation seemed like a Lifetime movie because they're really veering towards conservative, hyper-moralistic sort of- Christian values.
Christian values.
joe rogan
That's the antidote.
duncan trussell
But turning the volume up too high on that creates inadvertent comedy.
And so I was like, fuck, man, I want to watch that.
unidentified
You know what I mean?
duncan trussell
That's going to be really funny to watch.
joe rogan
That's a great thing to watch on Mushrooms.
Watch that on Mushrooms.
duncan trussell
Oh my god.
joe rogan
It looks so insane.
unidentified
I used to watch OAN. What's that?
joe rogan
America's News Network.
Is that what it is?
duncan trussell
I never watched that one.
joe rogan
What was that one that they had?
Was it OAN? Yeah.
I know.
I said it totally wrong.
jamie vernon
It's One American News.
joe rogan
One American News.
duncan trussell
What is that?
joe rogan
It's that.
It's that.
It's like turned up to 11's Trumpism turned up to 12. Yeah.
duncan trussell
Is it?
joe rogan
Would you describe it?
It's very much a right-wing channel.
duncan trussell
Dude, I think you need to take dips in all the propaganda.
joe rogan
It's a far-right pro-Trump cable news channel founded by Robert Herring, Sr. Here's the real problem.
With any of those things, it's hard to find a good anchor.
duncan trussell
Very hard.
joe rogan
Finding someone that can tell you what's going on where you don't want to stab them.
duncan trussell
Yeah, dude.
joe rogan
It's hard.
duncan trussell
Really hard.
joe rogan
A lot of those people are fucking super annoying.
Like, the way they communicate is annoying.
duncan trussell
Well, dude, you know, they have to read a fucking teleprompter, right?
So it's like they're basically like automatons who have to...
joe rogan
And they're scared to lose their job.
duncan trussell
Of course.
joe rogan
They just fired Don Lemon.
duncan trussell
They fucking fired him.
joe rogan
The smartest, most talented guy in all of broadcasting.
And he can't make it.
We're all on the chopping block.
duncan trussell
Dude, let me tell you, man, the fucking day they cut canned lemon, a quiver went through everyone at CNN. Like, Jesus fucking Christ, we're all in danger here.
They got rid of lemon.
They plucked the lemon from the tree and they left this void.
Now what?
How do you replace lemon?
joe rogan
Well, they don't have any stars anymore, right?
duncan trussell
Do they have Blitzer?
joe rogan
Who's exciting about it?
Is he still on that?
Wolf Blitzer.
duncan trussell
Blitzer.
joe rogan
What a great name.
duncan trussell
Best name ever.
joe rogan
Wolf Blitzer.
duncan trussell
Wolf Blitzer.
joe rogan
Sounds like a guy should be in a fucking 1940s World War II movie.
duncan trussell
I know.
No, dude.
joe rogan
Wolf Blitzer.
duncan trussell
Wolf Blitzer!
joe rogan
Leading America to victory.
Come on, boys!
Pain don't hurt.
unidentified
Yes, Commander Blitzer!
joe rogan
Like a Patrick Swayze type character.
duncan trussell
Lindsey Graham wants us to kill Russians!
joe rogan
Best money we ever spent.
duncan trussell
Best money we ever spent.
jamie vernon
Yeah, he's still there.
He's been there since 1990. Ah, that's my Blitzer!
unidentified
Wolfie!
joe rogan
What's up, baby?
Look at the hair on that bastard.
Lucky.
Fucking devil.
duncan trussell
Yeah.
joe rogan
Beautiful salt and pepper hair, slick back, you know, receding a little, but dignified.
duncan trussell
Dude, that's incredible hair.
Blitzer has great hair.
joe rogan
He's got a great beard.
Look at his beard.
duncan trussell
That's...
joe rogan
Good looking fella.
duncan trussell
Someone does that for him.
joe rogan
Great name.
duncan trussell
Wolf Blitzer.
joe rogan
Oh, yeah.
He's well-coiffed.
He's a star.
He's been there since 1990. I got no problems with him.
He's the blue that keeps CNN together.
duncan trussell
I don't mind Blitzer.
I can't remember.
I feel like...
I don't remember the last time I watched Blitzer, but there was something about him I liked when I was watching that shit.
joe rogan
Well, he seemed a little...
He was questioning things.
duncan trussell
Yeah.
joe rogan
The way he would talk to people.
He seemed like he was actually doing a little bit of journalism there.
Yeah.
So many times and you see people like...
Did you ever see the Biden-Don Lemon conversation?
duncan trussell
No.
joe rogan
It's bananas.
Because it's Don Lemon trying...
First of all, Don Lemon is a fairly catty fellow, right?
Very.
It seems like...
If he didn't like that guy, if that was Donald Trump and he was talking that way, he would have jumped all over him.
duncan trussell
Right.
joe rogan
But he's letting Joe Biden ramble and just go off and forget what he's talking about.
Did he get the vaccine?
Yeah, it works.
unidentified
And then I was telling people.
joe rogan
It's a wild stream of consciousness.
unidentified
I can't wait to see it.
joe rogan
Like, Biden losing his place, you know, sometimes he loses his place.
unidentified
Yeah.
joe rogan
He does it with Don Lemon, and Don Lemon is there just like, like a curator of a child that was just given some psychoactive drugs and they're bouncing off the walls.
You just have to watch!
duncan trussell
Dude, I probably gave him a fucking stomach ulcer.
Watch this.
joe rogan
Yeah, to not be able to call it out.
But also, it's like, If this was anybody else, so if you're a journalist, are you a journalist?
Are you a human being that is the mouthpiece of America?
Are you a human being that is there observing some pretty strange behavior?
And you'd want to expand on that.
What are you saying?
Why are you saying it that way?
What is happening to you?
Are you okay?
Can you think clearly?
If this was the opposition...
See, this is the thing about having anchors that are so...
You're gonna have anchors that have opinions, always.
Everybody has opinions.
But to have an anchor that's so clearly, so rigidly one-sided...
So watch this.
Play this.
joe biden
Are you okay?
I mean, you seem...
No, it works.
Or, you know, or the mom and dad.
Or the neighbor.
Or when you...
When you go to church or when you're...
No, I really mean it.
There are trusted interlocutors.
Think of the people.
If your kid wanted to find out whether or not there were...
There's a man on the moon or whatever, you know, something.
Or, you know, whether those aliens are here or not.
You know, who are the people they talk to beyond the kids who love talking about it?
joe rogan
Talk to me, bitch.
I got the answers.
That guy sounds like us.
He sounds like us after a couple of hits of laughing gas.
duncan trussell
Dude, no.
joe rogan
Like Joey's weed?
duncan trussell
No, man, that's elder abuse, man.
That's like, you know, that's kind of like, when that's happening, you're gonna go, okay, dad, okay, okay, we're going to sleep.
joe rogan
Or edibles.
I'd like to think he's on edibles.
duncan trussell
Dude, I don't know.
joe rogan
I'd like to think this whole thing is just so ridiculous to him.
He can't believe his son has fucking dropped his laptop off at a fucking repair shop filled with all sorts of evidence of crimes and dick porn, feet porn, chaos.
duncan trussell
Chaos.
joe rogan
Chaos.
duncan trussell
Running amok.
His kid is just going wild.
joe rogan
Look at that.
Measuring coke.
duncan trussell
Fresh off the CIA plane.
joe rogan
I like how he measures it, though.
Smart.
Even though he's, like, doing crack, he's like, let me make sure I don't overdose.
duncan trussell
Yeah, I mean...
joe rogan
I've got, like, a lot of money going on here.
duncan trussell
Right, yeah.
joe rogan
You know, I mean, if my dad dies...
duncan trussell
It's very presidential, the way he weighs crack.
joe rogan
I mean, if my dad dies, I get a good sum.
It's like a succession thing.
duncan trussell
Yeah.
joe rogan
Like the show's succession?
unidentified
Yeah.
joe rogan
Do you watch it?
duncan trussell
I got into it, and it was so intense, I stopped watching it.
I was absorbed into it, and then it was like, man, I can't do this every night.
joe rogan
It's really good.
duncan trussell
It's so good.
joe rogan
It's really good.
It's a really, really good show, and it ends amazing.
Bravo.
Bravo to the ending, I just want to say.
It's the best ending of any series I've ever watched.
Even The Sopranos, I get what they were doing, but at the end I'm like, really?
duncan trussell
I didn't finish The Sopranos either?
joe rogan
The last episode of The Sopranos was kind of like, I get what he's doing.
I get it.
You can't fault him.
The fucking show was just genius.
You can't have a bad word to say about one episode that I didn't enjoy.
The show was amazing.
They literally made a psychopath Hero yeah, he was our guy we wanted Tony Soprano was the fucking man.
He had some He had enough moral fiber.
Yeah, that we accepted him right and It was attractive that he was that guy.
He's this fat guy.
He's banging hot chicks.
Yeah and coke and he's running the mob Yeah, it's great.
I mean the episodes I saw it's fucking great and the end they're just sitting there and this guy seems to be paying attention to them and Oh really?
Yeah.
And the idea is that the guy killed them.
duncan trussell
No shit.
joe rogan
Yeah.
So we're all hanging out here.
And that's the end.
The car parks.
duncan trussell
That's amazing!
That's a cool ending.
joe rogan
They're all eating onion rings.
These people get out of the car and they start running.
Oh, that's the daughter.
She comes and sits down.
That's right.
duncan trussell
No spinoffs.
joe rogan
That's it.
Don't stop.
Bam.
Just stops.
duncan trussell
Wow.
joe rogan
He's looking at somebody.
duncan trussell
That's so genius.
That's so cool.
joe rogan
Looking at somebody.
About to get riddled by bullets.
duncan trussell
Whoa, that's so cool.
Man, fuck.
That's amazing.
joe rogan
Imagine living that life.
You're probably just waiting for the day with someone.
duncan trussell
Yeah.
joe rogan
You killed so many people.
duncan trussell
Yeah.
joe rogan
You've done so many horrible things.
duncan trussell
Yeah, it's so fucked up, man.
Just think about that.
Think of, like, not to get back to the Ukraine thing, but think, like, being fucking Putin.
How fucked up that feels, man, to, like, every day.
What a rotten fucking day you're having.
I mean, this is the thing, man.
It's like with Biden, with Putin, all these people, they're too old.
Give them a – like, they need to – it's like they're sucked into something they can't get out of.
They all have their various maladies.
And somehow we're letting that happen.
Like, globally, we're letting people who are clearly not okay up here, who are clearly, like – Imagine you walk into a 7-Eleven and you see some old dude talking like Biden was talking to Don Lemon.
If you didn't stop and say, hey, are you okay?
What's going on with you?
You would be like an asshole.
That's someone you help.
Not someone you put into a fucking job that melts people half your age down.
Melts people.
joe rogan
Melts people.
duncan trussell
Where's the fucking compassion for this old man who needs to be enjoying the last years?
joe rogan
I'm having this discussion while I'm wearing I didn't realize that I am too!
But what are their options?
That's the problem.
What are their options?
They have a vice president that seems like she's not the best at it.
And then who is on the horizon?
Who's going to take that spot?
Who's going to take that leadership position?
Who's there that makes sense?
duncan trussell
The option is just start telling the truth.
joe rogan
But that's not going to happen with them.
So what they want to do is win and they want to stay in power.
And they can even justify that by saying that we are going to do the overall good.
We have great ideas about social justice.
We have great ideas about reshaping the economy and making things more fair.
And, you know, they've got some good points.
It's not like the liberals don't have things that I agree with.
I agree with most of what they say.
Most of the ideas, like the civil ideas.
duncan trussell
Like what?
joe rogan
Most of the things about equality.
Most of the things about like the idea that there's like real income inequality in this country.
It's real.
And it's kind of creepy.
And there's a source.
And the source is opportunity.
And if we don't create opportunity for these people that live in these horrible places, then we don't give a fuck about them.
And then if we wonder why there's so much crime, we wonder why there's so much violence.
And then you have to wonder, is there an industry that's based around making sure that people stay criminals?
Well, there is.
Prison industrial complex.
It's a real thing.
They need prisoners.
And then you find out that prison guards unions lobbied to keep marijuana illegal.
You're like, what?
Because they want more people in their prison.
They want to lock people up so they can make money.
duncan trussell
Right.
joe rogan
It's crazy.
duncan trussell
Vampirism.
joe rogan
So the liberals are right on a lot of these.
I just think they're wrong in the approach.
I think the approach is not to just exonerate people and let people out of jail and let fucking chaos ensue and defund the police.
I think the approach is to start dumping money into the cities.
Start figuring out how to set up community centers.
Start figuring out how to get people healthy food.
Start figuring out how to protect people from gang violence.
In fact, maybe have more police so that the police can prevent people from getting shot and killed so they feel safe in their community.
But you have to get better police.
So you need more money for training, more money for funding, more money for salary, and make them feel like a respected, appreciated part of the community, and then have oversight over them.
Make sure that the people that have oversight over them are good people.
Good people exist.
They're out there.
We're mostly good.
Human beings, I think, are mostly good.
duncan trussell
Fundamentally good.
joe rogan
Fundamentally good.
duncan trussell
But we get covered up by defense mechanisms.
That's the problem.
That fundamental goodness is covered up and warped by defense mechanisms and confused motivations.
I mean, fuck.
That's the saddest part.
When you say they want to win...
Their idea of winning isn't even winning.
It's just holding power.
That's not winning.
joe rogan
But that's winning.
They think it's winning.
And that's what human beings do.
We naturally play this game of winner and loser with almost everything.
That's why neighborhoods, that's the expression, keeping up with the Joneses.
You're trying to win.
You know, like, hey, Mike got a Corvette.
Fuck him.
duncan trussell
Yeah.
joe rogan
You know, I'm going to get a Ferrari.
unidentified
Ooh, Mike, how do you like my Ferrari, you piece of shit?
duncan trussell
Right.
joe rogan
You know, it's like classic comedy sitcom tropes.
duncan trussell
Right.
Yeah, that to me is like, you're right.
I think you're right.
joe rogan
People want to win, man.
duncan trussell
People want to win.
joe rogan
That's why it's dangerous to have cops pull people over.
You know, there's something about that, too.
Like, you definitely should pull people over because they're bad, but comps want, they want to fucking, they want to write tickets.
They want to catch people.
They want to bus people.
They're supposed to bus people.
duncan trussell
It's the profit motive is fucking everything up, but it's like also what is creating some of the coolest shit ever.
That's the problem.
Like, it's a double-edged sword.
On one side, competition creates insane innovation based on market pressure.
It's incredible.
On the other side of it, you get people who shouldn't be millionaires.
You get people who somehow have overcome their desire to have the next Ferrari and realize, oh, the better thing to do is help.
Like, I just want to help.
The idea was it's a public servant.
Not someone who's, like, manipulating the fucking stock market or selling their shit.
That's the problem, man.
It's really insidious.
And it's like, on one side, it's like, alright, so if we regulate it, well, now you've got, like, the hardcore socialism starts happening.
Now you've got redistribution of wealth.
Now you've got, you're trying to, like, reset the game in the middle of the game.
And lots of people are like, no, fuck that.
We're not resetting the game.
Right?
But then on the other side, if you don't do anything about it, Then the game takes over everything.
The government is now no longer a representative government at all.
joe rogan
At all.
duncan trussell
At all.
It's just a weird bag of greedy miscreants who are all getting various checks from various sometimes competitive industries and making laws based on that.
And that's not a government.
I don't know what that is.
That's a casino or something.
That's just people who got to the high roller table.
No, it's like people who are like, I'm done gambling.
I'm going to control the fucking casino.
joe rogan
Well, that's what people are terrified about with generational wealth.
That's why people are terrified of very, very wealthy families that have transferred this money down to their children.
And the children don't earn it.
That's the king.
That's Joffrey.
Everybody knows what that is.
That's why Succession is such a good show.
Because you can relate to it.
What fucking bizarre reality do they exist in?
duncan trussell
Dude, I don't know, but I wish I'd experienced it.
It looks fucking fun, baby!
Oh my god, can you imagine bursting out of that womb into some Illuminati fucking delivery chamber?
joe rogan
Guns blazing.
duncan trussell
Holy shit, it's the best.
Oh my god, what a life.
joe rogan
Private jets from birth.
duncan trussell
Oh, fucking incredible!
Access to the adrenochrome chambers.
joe rogan
Adrenochrome on the left.
duncan trussell
On the left.
joe rogan
Just use your irises.
They'll let you right in.
duncan trussell
Dude, I can't even...
That is just so crazy to imagine what that's like.
joe rogan
What is that like?
duncan trussell
You never know.
You never know what it's like to worry about being able to...
Have you ever gone out to eat with people and you have to run your credit card?
And you're like, please, God, let it go through.
How overdrawn is it?
You know what I mean?
Those moments where I'm about to get humiliated in front of my friends.
You've never known that.
You've only known endless, infinite opulence.
You're given...
Your nannies have fucking nannies.
You're being educated by some of the smartest people on the planet.
Your diapers cost as much as most people's wardrobe for the year.
In the world, for sure.
Yeah.
That's a really cool incarnation, man.
joe rogan
Strange.
Because it doesn't give you the adversity that you need as a young person.
It doesn't give you the challenges to overcome.
It doesn't give you the real possibility that you could be broke someday.
The real possibility that you might not have enough food.
I think there's a superpower in growing up poor.
I really do.
It never escapes me.
Never.
Growing up poor, when I was a young boy and we were drinking like powdered milk and living off welfare with food stamps.
I remember that.
I remember that clearly.
I remember that clearly.
I remember shame.
I remember all of it.
Also, I saw my parents build out of that and then move to a respectable middle-class suburb so that we could go to a good high school.
duncan trussell
Right.
joe rogan
So I saw what hard work and all the thinking that was involved in planning this out properly led to get out of that.
duncan trussell
Yeah.
joe rogan
But we were in San Francisco in the 1970s and it was fucking weird.
I felt very vulnerable already, but then on top of that to be poor and then on top of that to be a latchkey kid.
So I was just like out wandering.
I could just like leave and go anywhere, right?
Yeah, man that formed you yeah that forms you and if you grow up on private jets and if you grow up always knowing that you're gonna have money always knowing that you're gonna be fine always knowing that You're gonna be a part of an empire at one point that has wealth the likes of which no one will ever be able to explain and Where your children will be billionaires.
You can divide it evenly amongst their children.
They'll be billionaires as well.
duncan trussell
It's nuts.
It's like a different universe.
joe rogan
But those kind of people that grow up in that environment will never think like you do.
They won't.
They'll never think like I do.
They won't.
There's like extra gears that you have that you're born with when you live in poverty.
I think that's what you look at all the great athletes almost all of them Unless they grew up in households that were like very strong households where the father really encouraged athletics and was like really a Great coach and the kid like grew up competing and really enjoyed it.
That's possible too, but in fighting in particular Boy, it's a lot of people from fucking dire poverty.
duncan trussell
It's a lot of people but don't you think it's possible as a parent because like I mean My kids aren't scraping by, and I know your kids aren't.
Isn't it possible as a parent, if you're lucky enough to not have to worry about that shit our parents worried about, to still create a childhood and a life that isn't imbalanced And has within it the possibility for failure and having to figure out how to do shit.
joe rogan
Yes.
100%.
It's possible.
It's just a different challenge.
Like in life presenting you with challenges that you could have never predicted, you didn't ask for, and they're right in front of you and you have to deal with them.
People that go through that sort of a life, I think they have way more defenses up, way more awareness of deception, way more awareness of people's ulterior motives and people who are creepy, people who aren't being genuine.
And you and I have both encountered plenty of people like that.
duncan trussell
Yeah, sure.
joe rogan
Where you'll pull me aside and go, hey man, I don't think this guy's cool.
There's something wrong with this guy.
duncan trussell
Yes.
joe rogan
Yeah.
And, you know, I'm not going to get that necessarily from everybody.
Some people are not going to see that.
duncan trussell
Right.
joe rogan
They're not going to have been in dangerous situations where they had to, like, realize the consequences of not recognizing these kind of people early.
duncan trussell
Yeah, right.
Sure.
joe rogan
Yeah.
duncan trussell
So you were, yeah, I mean, this is the, again, it sucks because it's like, yeah, what do you get?
You get an inflamed fucking amygdala is what you Your fucking brain just loves to spray out cortisol.
And so that's what you get because you came up with that.
You watched your fucking parents freak the fuck out for potentially your entire childhood.
And so yeah, you're freaked out.
You're living in a weird battlefield that doesn't even exist anymore that was your childhood.
Whereas some people, they didn't have that.
So they're...
You know, they don't think about shit like that.
They don't think about like, oh my god, is this person okay?
Or, oh my god, they don't have that that we have.
I think it's, dude, honestly, man, I don't know.
I do agree with you that adversity...
Has to be in a human life.
That if you remove adversity from a life, you do an incredible disservice to...
joe rogan
The potential of that life.
duncan trussell
To the potential of that life.
Because it's just physics.
joe rogan
But it can be in anything.
It can be in disciplines.
It can be in games they play.
It can be in sports.
It can be in a lot of things.
But they have to do things.
Like, you gotta do shit.
duncan trussell
You have to confront the learning curve.
joe rogan
Yeah, so you got to learn how to get better at stuff and then you got to be excited about that feeling that you get when you get better at stuff.
duncan trussell
Yes.
joe rogan
That's giant.
That's a giant part of it.
duncan trussell
Dude, that's it.
That's it.
And you start connecting with that feeling as being actual success.
joe rogan
Yeah.
duncan trussell
That's actual success.
Not like...
Whatever else the world gives you is fantastic.
Don't get me wrong.
joe rogan
Right.
duncan trussell
But if you never had that feeling in a lifetime and you were like sleeping on bags of fucking cash, it wouldn't mean anything.
joe rogan
It wouldn't mean anything.
But that's the weirdness of winning the lottery, right?
That's the weirdness of all of a sudden becoming a part of this like hyper wealthy elite.
And that's the weirdness of anybody's life in North America.
If you're in North America, first of all, you hit the fucking lottery.
If you're in the United States, oh shit, you don't even have to get vaccinated.
If you're in Canada, Canada used to be an awesome spot to live until the lockdowns.
And it was like, what is happening up there?
duncan trussell
Yeah, what is happening up there?
joe rogan
What is going on?
duncan trussell
It's like, of all the places, you would expect to have some, like, encroaching fascism happening?
joe rogan
Never!
duncan trussell
Never Canada!
Never my list!
It's very odd.
joe rogan
They're doing it under the guise of social justice, and it's so creepy that people are buying into it.
duncan trussell
But that is how you do it.
Like, if you want to do fascism, that's how you do it.
Like, you don't do fascism by saying, like, hey, I'm going to control the shit out of you motherfuckers.
You do it by saying, hey, you better watch out, because this thing is coming, and I'm the only one who can keep you from that thing coming.
Fill in whatever that thing is.
joe rogan
Bro, when they lock people out of their bank accounts for protesting, when they have the Freedom Convoy, they lock people out of their bank accounts.
unidentified
Dude.
joe rogan
They lock people out of their bank accounts that donated.
Not even that went there.
That donated.
You can't agree with them.
You can't agree with them.
We're gonna take your money.
duncan trussell
So spooky.
joe rogan
That's crazy.
duncan trussell
So spooky.
joe rogan
That's so scary because it sends ripples of fear through everybody.
And it should.
It should.
Just because you think you're doing it for the right reasons, that is, there's a reason why we are so protective of the Bill of Rights.
We're so protective of the Constitution.
If you don't have something like that where it's written down, they just keep pushing the rules.
duncan trussell
Yes.
joe rogan
They keep changing.
They're making all these crazy new woke rules in Canada.
You can't say shit about it.
There's censorship of everything on the internet.
That they don't like.
They can pull things down.
They can do all kinds of wild shit.
I don't know about the internet.
I know it's about broadcasting.
I know they've passed some new censorship legislation.
I don't think it's the internet.
I'm exaggerating.
But what it is is spooky because that guy is not being honest about what he did during COVID. He's saying they never forced anybody to get vaccinated.
They fucking kind of did.
You ruin their life if they didn't.
Censorship bill.
The bill that makes changes to Canada's Broadcasting Act.
The legislation requires streaming services such as Netflix and Spotify to support Canadian media content like music and TV shows.
It also requires the platform to promote Canadian content.
Is that it?
duncan trussell
It doesn't seem terrible.
joe rogan
It says regulate, though.
Like, what else is in the regulate?
That's the good positive spin on it.
It's a nationalistic effort.
They want to promote more Canadian content.
duncan trussell
Still weird.
joe rogan
But I know they've had that in the past.
You know, they had that for, like, radio, for television.
They had rules up there.
I remember that because somebody I knew was a DJ up there.
The bill makes changes to Canada's Broadcasting Act.
The legislation requires streaming services such as Netflix and Spotify.
It also requires platforms to promote Canadian context.
Specifically, the bill says online undertakings shall clearly promote and recommend Canadian programming in both official languages as well as Indigenous languages.
The changes give the Canadian Radio, Television and Telecommunications Commission Canada's broadcast regulator broad powers over digital media companies, including the ability to impose financial penalties for violations of the Act.
The government says that legislation is necessary to impose the same regulations and requirements in place for traditional broadcasters on online media platforms.
Right now, broadcasters are required to spend at least 30% of their revenue on supporting Canadian content.
duncan trussell
Jesus.
joe rogan
Online streaming has changed how we create, discover, and consume our culture, and it's time we updated our system to reflect that, a government news release on the bill says.
That's not good.
None of that is good.
Because them saying, are we or are we not moving to a global...
Entertainment world for the English language.
Because it seems like it's kind of moving in that direction, right?
I mean, some of the best podcasts in the world, like Trigonometry, comes out of the UK. There's a lot of stuff out of America that's very popular over there.
duncan trussell
Yeah.
joe rogan
Like, who gives a shit?
If it's Canadian or if it's American.
And you're going to regulate the internet.
duncan trussell
But to me, the...
The real creepy thing is the state is saying what Canadian culture is.
Like, culture, isn't it supposed to be something that kind of spontaneously emerges from groups of people?
joe rogan
But they're not exactly saying that.
They're saying, you have to say, you could look at it in an altruistic way.
You could say, this is promoting Canadian content, and it'll encourage more art to be created in Canada, but there's more opportunities.
duncan trussell
That's fine.
joe rogan
But you can't regulate that.
You can't legislate that.
Because you can't give those fuckheads power over creativity.
You just can't do it.
You can't do it.
You'll ruin it all.
You'll ruin the internet.
You'll ruin it all.
The bill's journey through Parliament has been difficult.
Rodriguez tabled the legislation in the House of Commons in February 2022. Nearly a year later, the Senate sent C-11 back to the House Commons with amendments.
The House accepted most of the amendments but rejected others.
So has it passed or not passed?
One of the most contentious points of debate is whether C11 would apply to user-generated content, such as podcasts and online videos.
The government has insisted that the legislation is not intended to regulate independent content creators.
Not intended is not a good way.
It's not intended, but it could be used in that way.
They're just going to have more power to tell you what to do.
And if you are a Canadian person who is broadcasting a podcast out of Vancouver, And you have a narrative that doesn't fit with what Trudeau wants you to say.
duncan trussell
Yeah.
joe rogan
You could run into trouble.
You could run into trouble.
You can't have them have any power over the internet.
duncan trussell
No.
joe rogan
You gotta say no.
duncan trussell
Dude, this is...
joe rogan
But it seems like they passed it.
duncan trussell
Here's the thing.
I don't know.
If you subscribe to whatever the particular modality of your government is in regards to censorship, controlling art, controlling public dialogue, right?
You think, this is what you think.
You think, well, they have to because I'm in danger of this or that, whatever.
joe rogan
Not only that, they're good.
duncan trussell
They're good.
joe rogan
Trudeau's online censorship law, Bill C-11, passes Parliament.
duncan trussell
But dude, the problem is The problem is, you are thinking your government is going to stay controlled by the people whose ethics you believe in, but you look historically at the world, coups happen.
Secret coups happen, and then all of a sudden, all these rights you gave away, you've given them to the people who you were fighting against.
Dude, that's the problem.
Governments don't last long enough to let them have that much power.
joe rogan
A previous Senate amendment to exempt user-generated content from the bill was rejected by senators on Wednesday evening.
duncan trussell
Goddamn!
joe rogan
So that means user-generated content, like podcasts, are now under the grip of the Canadian government.
Congratulations.
duncan trussell
That's so scary, man.
joe rogan
It's so dumb because it's an incremental push.
Jordan Peterson's talked about this.
This is how it works.
They push you a little bit, you don't resist.
They push a little bit more, you don't resist.
They push a little bit more, you don't resist.
And then you realize how far you've gone from the initial point.
And that's what's happening.
And that's what just happened in Canada.
duncan trussell
Yeah, just a very slow trajectory towards state control.
joe rogan
It's the fucking internet.
You can't, like, say that someone has to have 30% Canadian content on the internet.
That's bonkers.
30% of Netflix?
Do you know how goddamn insane that is?
duncan trussell
That's a lot of Canadian shows.
joe rogan
Do you know what they're requiring them to do?
There's so much...
Maybe they have to spend 30% of their budget to promote it in Canada?
unidentified
Yeah.
joe rogan
Fuck out of here.
duncan trussell
Dude, it's awful.
I can't believe it's happening.
It's just so fucked up that people, that we allow this shit to happen.
joe rogan
Also, why?
Why would anybody even want that control?
Why?
What's wrong with you?
What's wrong with you that you want to control the dispensing of information?
duncan trussell
You're lying?
Right?
Like, that's pretty much it!
If you're fucking lying, you need to control people's ability to challenge whatever lie you're telling.
And the more egregious the lie, theoretically, the more you have to, like, shut any kind of counterargument down.
unidentified
My favorite conspiracy is that he's Castro's kid.
duncan trussell
He does look like him.
joe rogan
He looks a lot like his dad, too, though.
The problem is his dad looks like Castro.
duncan trussell
Dude, look...
joe rogan
He looks a lot like Castro, though.
duncan trussell
I mean, maybe that's just something that starts...
What if that's what happens?
Like, the more fascist you become, the more your face turns into...
unidentified
Elizabeth Warren did.
joe rogan
It ruined her career.
You should do it, too.
Take a DNA test, bro.
duncan trussell
If I was Justin Trudeau, I would do that just to, like, shame all the people who said I was Castro, right?
joe rogan
What if it turns out he's like 72% Cuban?
duncan trussell
You don't tell anybody.
joe rogan
He's probably already taken that test.
He's probably already taken that test and called his mom.
What the fuck?
Mom, you know, son, it was a lonely weekend.
duncan trussell
Castro seemed...
joe rogan
Castro's a wonderful man.
duncan trussell
Kind of cooler, though, right?
Like, I like the fucking...
joe rogan
Unless you're living under his grip.
duncan trussell
Dude, of course, but if you're gonna go fascist, put on a costume, right?
I don't like it.
You know what I mean?
I like Castro's like, I'm wearing fucking camouflage.
You are not going to like mistake me for anything other than an authoritarian leader.
Like, look, look at what he...
He dresses exactly the way they...
joe rogan
Dresses as a military leader.
duncan trussell
Exactly, but to me when fascism becomes like insidious, when it like learns to disguise itself as the...
It's opposite of what it is.
Oh, dude, that is so spooky.
You know, that's where it gets really scary.
Wolf in sheep's clothing.
joe rogan
Did you ever see the video where they're asking Trudeau how his family is using recyclables and what are they doing to stop this?
duncan trussell
Did not see that.
joe rogan
He's talking about his family drinking water.
They've switched to bottles of water that are made out of paper.
Those box bottles of water.
Because this is the real person.
Like, forget all the speeches.
This is the real person that they've allowed to be in control of their liberty.
See if we can find that.
He's having a conversation about Boxwater being...
Yeah.
Put it back from the beginning.
justin trudeau
We have recently switched to drinking water bottles out of, when we have water bottles, away from plastic towards paper.
unidentified
It's hard to watch, but hard to look away.
joe rogan
The Prime Minister...
duncan trussell
What the fuck?
joe rogan
Yeah, that's their exceptional leader.
That's when you catch him answering a question.
unidentified
Yeah, drink box water bottles.
duncan trussell
Sort of things.
joe rogan
Yeah.
That's what he's done.
That's the big contribution.
I'm sure there's more, right?
I'm sure he's done more.
I'm sure he switched to solar.
I'm sure he eats organic, whatever.
But the point is, that's the guy.
That's the guy that's telling you, we have to be able to regulate podcasts.
unidentified
Right.
duncan trussell
That's fucked up.
joe rogan
Because if we don't regulate podcasts, someone could play this very clip, like you and I are doing, from the great state of Texas.
duncan trussell
Yeah, man.
joe rogan
Where a person could talk shit about someone who should be talked shit about, in that regard.
duncan trussell
If you want this to run in Canada, you're gonna have to put a Canadian flag up or something.
joe rogan
I don't think that's going to be the issue.
I think it's going to be the issue of this 30% thing.
What does that mean?
Does it mean...
It's not broadcasting just in Canada.
duncan trussell
30% Canadian guests.
joe rogan
Spotify Canada only.
Spotify Canada only has to stuff itself with 30% Canadian content.
Maybe they have enough Canadian content already.
A lot of great stuff comes from Canada.
I'm sure a lot of great podcasts come from Canada.
Maybe they already have.
What's the percentage of podcasts right now that come from Canada?
See if we can find that.
Let's just go to Spotify to say Google what percentage of podcasts Come from Canada on Spotify.
duncan trussell
I wonder if it applies to porn.
Like porn sites will have to have 30% Canadian porn.
joe rogan
Yeah, they have to.
Rules are all, bro.
The government is going to force people to make more Canadian porn.
duncan trussell
That's the problem with shit like that.
It gets so absurd when you start unrepackaging it and realize all the weird things that...
And P.S., who determines what is Canadian content?
Let's say it was shot in the United States, but...
joe rogan
Harlan Williams is a star.
duncan trussell
Yeah.
joe rogan
It's Canadian.
duncan trussell
Yeah, and who is in control of saying, this is Canadian content, this is not, what if Americans go to Canada, shoot something, is that Canadian content?
joe rogan
- How about they just do 30% of their program is Tom Green?
duncan trussell
We're good.
There would be world peace!
jamie vernon
I can't seem to find that information.
I don't know how I would even do it, because I'm trying and it's not popping up that way.
joe rogan
What percentage of podcasts come from Canada?
Just try that.
jamie vernon
I don't know that anyone's even tracking that information.
joe rogan
They might.
jamie vernon
I don't know anyone cares where they come from.
joe rogan
Let's see.
Let's give it a go.
duncan trussell
Yeah, man.
I just...
joe rogan
I know it's a weird Google, but I think...
duncan trussell
That is a weird Google.
jamie vernon
It's not going to get a response.
joe rogan
Maybe I should call a CEO of Spotify live on the air.
jamie vernon
It's saying, what percentage of Canadians listen to podcasts, which is not what I asked.
joe rogan
Oh.
jamie vernon
That's what I typed in, but that's what Google thinks I'm looking for, you know?
Because it's a weird question.
joe rogan
How about what percentage of podcasts are created in Canada?
Try that.
What podcasts are created in Canada?
Maybe created is not the right word.
jamie vernon
It's the same problem.
It doesn't think I'm asking the right question.
joe rogan
So maybe there's a chart out there of podcasts by country.
jamie vernon
So that's what I have, but we're number one, so it's just listing the most popular podcasts in Canada.
Sorry.
Not that it's just coming from there.
Oh, I see.
Someone in Canada who's tracking all that information, and everyone has to be honest about where they're uploading.
duncan trussell
Fun!
joe rogan
First of all, shout out to Canada for making me number one.
duncan trussell
That's cool.
jamie vernon
Yeah, thanks.
I was looking for a Canadian-named podcast, but these all just seem like normal.
joe rogan
Yeah, those are normal.
Call Her Daddy, Huberman Lab No.
3. Jordan Peterson No.
9. Jordan Peterson.
jamie vernon
Seems pretty similar to the American list.
joe rogan
Damn.
unidentified
A lot of people have been on this one.
duncan trussell
That's cool.
That must feel good.
joe rogan
It's fucking weird, I'll tell you that.
But, want some coffee?
duncan trussell
Yes!
Thank you, friend.
Yeah, man, I don't know.
I try not to...
The other thing about it is...
The more you fixate on the...
joe rogan
Cheers, sir.
duncan trussell
Cheers, my brother.
Congratulations!
joe rogan
Thank you, sir.
duncan trussell
2,000...
joe rogan
2,000 episodes.
duncan trussell
The more you fixate on the state, the state is an egregore.
So the more people that fixate on the thing, the more powerful it grows.
That's the other thing.
You know like people when you realize they are enjoying negative attention?
joe rogan
Yes.
duncan trussell
That's the state.
It doesn't care what flavor the attention is.
It just wants attention.
And the more it gets, the more powerful it gets, the more people believe in it.
And if you believe it's going to hurt you or if you believe it's going to help you, you're still supporting it.
You're still bringing it into increasing levels of power.
So that's the other problem.
It's like everyone gets all fixated on the government.
Many news stations have just turned into an endless conversation about the government.
endless conversation, nothing about human interaction at the basic neighborhood level.
Just about, I don't know how many people are running the show, but not that many.
And it gives the impression that the state is God.
Even if it's reacting to it, like, "We gotta stop this!" You're still worshiping it, but with fear instead of praise.
You're still making it something incredibly powerful, which I'm not saying it's not.
But how much of that power is just coming from a general belief in the egregore of whatever the fucking government is.
Boy, I sure hope I'm using the word egregore right!
Let's Google it.
No!
unidentified
Don't Google it!
duncan trussell
You got it right.
Thank you, Jesus.
unidentified
Thank you, God.
duncan trussell
You usually get it right.
joe rogan
But Terrence McKenna had a great quote about that.
He said, we're doing the man's work for the man.
duncan trussell
That's it.
joe rogan
That's a lot of it.
Because they were like, how are you able to do these seminars where you're talking about things that are completely illegal?
You're talking about these experiences with great detail.
You're traveling all over the world.
And he said, first of all, I think, to paraphrase him, one of the things was you have to keep it small.
If you notice, he does these things.
There's, you know, 100 people there, 200 people, a few hundred people.
It's very small.
Like, informal gatherings of people that are like-minded.
And, you know, you keep your circle tight.
duncan trussell
Yeah.
unidentified
Yeah.
joe rogan
You don't tune in, drop out, all that shit where you're telling everybody to quit school and do ass like, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey.
And that's Ken Kesey.
duncan trussell
Yeah.
joe rogan
That's Ken Kesey.
duncan trussell
Tim Leary.
joe rogan
That's Tim Leary.
And those guys, the Merry Pranksters, they were out of their fucking minds.
duncan trussell
Out of their minds.
joe rogan
Out of their minds.
And they were reformulating what society would be.
And here's the thing.
They're not wrong.
They're not wrong.
They weren't wrong.
They weren't wrong.
Like, we want to think, like, oh, what they did was wrong.
No, you live and you die, okay?
You live and you die.
And along the way, you have experiences.
And you are free to go the Merry Prankster route in my world.
duncan trussell
Sure, absolutely.
joe rogan
In my world, you can go ham.
Just do no harm.
Just do no harm, don't fuck people over, and you should all be, like, the same ethical and moral considerations should be applied to all civilizations.
But the idea that these people can't just, like, drop out and fucking sell grilled cheese sandwiches at a Grateful Dead concert, like, says who?
duncan trussell
Yeah, says who?
joe rogan
Says who?
Fuck you.
Like, fuck you.
Yeah, they should be able to do whatever they want.
And I think one of the things that I feel has come out of the internet is there's more of an understanding Of the idea that there's not just one way to live your life.
There's not just one life.
This idea of everyone has to get up at the same time and drive to some place to sit in a room with a fucking computer in front of them, entering information or dealing with whatever the fuck they're doing.
This is the only way to live life.
No, this is a life that we've somehow or another oddly structured.
And you can participate in it if you like, but if you don't, there's other ways to live life.
That's real.
And I'm not saying you should get in a fucking school bus and everybody does acid.
duncan trussell
I am.
joe rogan
But if you want to, I feel like you should be able to if you're informed, if you really know what you're getting into, if you really understand it.
What we're scared of is young people getting sucked into cults.
Because that's a great way to get control over people.
You tell them all to come with you, and you all do acid in the field, and then you don't do acid, and you tell these people that you're a god, and you fucking freak them out, and that's the fucking guy that owned the One World Theater.
duncan trussell
Right.
joe rogan
That's what he was doing.
duncan trussell
Yeah.
joe rogan
But I don't think he was using acid.
He was using hypnosis.
duncan trussell
He probably threw some acid in there.
joe rogan
He could have.
But it was a lot of gullibility.
It was a lot of really idealistic young people that just wanted to learn from a real guru.
We're scared of that.
Because I think there's a natural part of the human brain that was exposed during COVID that also works to get people into cults.
That human beings like look towards a light to follow.
We look towards a guiding light.
We look towards a savior and we want to be right.
We want to be correct.
My savior is the real savior.
My Buddha is the real Buddha.
My God is the real God.
duncan trussell
My Buddha is the real Buddha.
joe rogan
I'm sure.
I'm joking.
duncan trussell
I'm not saying that for real.
Sorry I interrupted your rant with a shit joke.
I'm sorry.
joe rogan
It's a good joke.
But I think that it's really, really important that we understand that this structure, the way this is all set up, is all set up by people that didn't have happy lives.
They didn't enjoy it.
These people that are telling you you have to do a certain thing and go in a certain way, like look at them.
They look like Lindsey Graham.
So many of them look so unhealthy and so sad and so just confused as to what this is all about and very few of them have had psychedelic experiences.
Very few.
Because if they did, they wouldn't be so sure.
They wouldn't be able to just keep saying the things the way they're saying them.
They wouldn't be able to talk the way they're talking.
They would just be sickened by it all.
duncan trussell
Dude, I don't know.
I think that's a pretty big assumption.
I think that assumption, which we've all had, who've benefited from psychedelics, that you get fucking Lindsey Graham a nice whopping 500 microgram dose of LSD, he's going to come out the other side of that a new Lindsey Graham.
I don't know.
I don't know, man.
joe rogan
I'm talking about a camp, okay?
I'm talking about taking these motherfuckers to a camp in the jungle and dosing them up for like a year.
duncan trussell
Fascist rehabilitation camp.
joe rogan
Yeah, fascist rehabilitation camp.
That's what I'm talking about.
I'm not talking about like one...
Okay, I gotcha.
Well, I had one bad experience.
unidentified
I'll tell you right, I'm right back to the whiskey and I'm ready to kill Russians.
duncan trussell
I gotcha.
joe rogan
That's the best money I ever spent.
You can go right back to that.
Remember that joke I used to say about DMT? It's like pressing Ctrl-Alt-Delete for your brain.
When your brain reboots, your desktop is completely empty except for one folder, and that folder is labeled my old bullshit.
And you can either decide to open up that folder and go into it and just fall back into your same patterns, or you can go, okay...
Let's look at this thing for what it really is.
Instead of being caught in these patterns of momentum, of the past, and of bizarre groupthink.
duncan trussell
Proclivities.
I'm just listening to this audiobook.
I'm always trying to listen to some audiobook on spirituality.
It's Pima Chodron's book, newest book about dying.
Something like How We Live Is How We Die.
It's a very good book.
Yes.
In this book, they're sort of talking about what happens when you die before your next life.
Now, obviously, you're going to have to subscribe to the model of reincarnation for this, but it's really interesting, which is what you're talking about, these proclivities.
Or it's called samsara.
It's a loop.
The cycle of suffering.
You know those people who are like, this always happens to be in a relationship.
Or the thing in your life that keeps repeating.
This is happening because of your proclivities.
It's happening because of your attraction to this type of person.
Or this type of situation or this type of job.
And if you look at proclivities, they happen fast.
Like in any given moment when you're making these decisions, it's not like you're spending a lot of time generally thinking about them.
It's just spontaneous.
Like the next word out of your mouth.
You're not down there like, what do I say next?
It's just coming.
So these are your proclivities.
And then when you die, those proclivities...
Or what inform your next birth.
So if you have not gotten past your spontaneous decisions that cause lack of harmony in your life, then that will be the momentum that carries you into your next birth, which is why in Buddhism you'll hear shit like meditation is preparing for death or practice of death.
It's like you're trying to make it so that when you die, And if you die, nothing happens and you're dead forever, congratulations.
Fuck yeah, you're out.
You did it.
You're great.
But if you die and you keep going and that model is correct, then you don't want to be reactive in between lives because you will freak out, number one, that you're dead and you still have consciousness.
That's very disturbing for some people who thought that you'd die forever.
Now you're like, oh fuck, I'm still here.
And then you don't like not having a body anymore.
You want to get back in a body.
In the same way, so you fucking just, you see, you just dive into the next life as quick as you can, instead of like having a little bit of like consideration in between, you know, and not just that, you're essentially your projections, the proclivities, they become holograms basically.
joe rogan
So in that sense, do you believe in old souls?
duncan trussell
I believe in momentum.
I believe that we have one, right now, where am I right now is, I think that consciousness or awareness, awareness, or what's called non-conditioned awareness, before the overlay, I think we all share that consciousness.
And we're like little ripples in that consciousness.
And that's our karma.
Ripples in this consciousness that we all share.
So I think every soul is It transcends time.
It's all outside of time-space.
But I guess there could be the potential that certain people's addiction to being within the emptiness and having a body and a self and an identity probably keeps them coming back here over and over and over again.
That's what I would say.
Again, this is a cosmology that is unquantifiable and I don't think it matters necessarily if it's real or not, at least for me.
I use it as a tool to help give me the motivation to be less of an asshole.
I mean, and also when you're dying and you know, whatever the next life may be for you or nothing, who gives a fuck?
It's like you reincarnate in a lifetime.
Like you have many incarnations in any given human lifetime.
You will go through so many different phases and the more you gain control of your ability to not react, the more you will inform what you're growing into.
The more it is a mindful or intentional Personal evolution versus a kind of chaotic like mutation based on just you instantly doing everything your brain tells you to do exactly in the moment.
joe rogan
Wow.
duncan trussell
You know?
joe rogan
I think that's very accurate.
That very much resonates with me.
unidentified
Yeah.
joe rogan
When you're saying that I'm like, I see what you're saying.
Because you kind of are like reincarnated As you develop and grow as a human being.
duncan trussell
Absolutely.
joe rogan
And you have to be.
Maybe that was like the analogy from the Bible.
Maybe that was what that was about.
duncan trussell
What?
joe rogan
Like the reincarnation.
Like who knows what the fuck they really meant when they wrote those things.
It's so hard to tell.
I mean, I think unless you could go back and read.
Have you ever read anything that's like translated?
Like someone tweets something in Russian.
Like there's a lot of MMA fighters.
They'll tweet something in Russian and I'll translate it.
It's a little broken.
duncan trussell
Garbled.
joe rogan
Yeah, it doesn't make total sense because the structure of the language is so different than ours.
That's the Bible, man.
If you could translate, first of all, if you could go back to the oldest version they have, which I think the oldest version is the Dead Sea Scrolls.
That's the oldest version of the stories that wound up in the Bible.
It's not necessarily the Bible.
duncan trussell
Some stuff in the Dead Sea Scrolls didn't make the cut.
It didn't get in there.
joe rogan
But a lot of the stories are kind of similar.
But there's a lot of wild shit in there.
unidentified
A lot of wild shit in the Dead Sea Scrolls.
duncan trussell
I know.
I mean, there's a lot of wild shit in these standard Bible they put in hotel room drawers.
joe rogan
But just imagine that that's the origin, right?
So that's these animal skins that they found in clay pots in Qumran.
duncan trussell
Yeah.
joe rogan
And they do DNA tests on the animal skins to make sure that they align the pieces because it's all fragmented and broken apart.
duncan trussell
I had no idea they did that.
joe rogan
So they have to figure out how to do...
Yeah, you have to have the same animal.
So it's like, okay, well this is the same animal skin because we ran a DNA test on it.
And so then they get all the...
It took forever.
It took forever for them to do this.
That's why that John Marco Allegro book is so fascinating.
The Sacred Mushroom in the Cross.
That book is fascinating because that guy studied the Dead Sea Scrolls for 14 years and he was an ordained minister who became agnostic when he started studying theology.
He was like, hmm, hold on, let me reserve judgment.
And he was a straight scholar and it was his determination after all these years of studying the Dead Sea Scrolls that the entire Christian religion was a misunderstanding.
That what we think of it as today, what it really was, was about the consumption of psychedelic mushrooms and fertility rituals.
And that it was all baked into the stories.
And that the stories, like even like the apple, like the forbidden apple, I mean, they're talking about the Amanita muscaria mushroom that looked like an apple.
duncan trussell
Yeah.
joe rogan
Which is red.
And apparently even the translation of it, and some people translated it to red instead of like that apple, the term.
unidentified
Right.
joe rogan
That it actually means red.
That's what they're trying to say.
They're not even trying to say apple.
We've just converted it to an apple because that's the best, you know, that story.
The way that story comes together, that you don't listen to God, you eat the apple, and then, oh, fuck, now you ruined everything.
And that's kind of what he's saying about the whole idea of...
Of these psychedelic mushrooms that they're hiding these things from their conquerors.
They're hiding these things from the Romans.
Right.
Imagine if you had access to God and you had a marauding, intrusive army that's about to come into it, but you want to document all this stuff.
You have to kind of fucking document it in parables.
duncan trussell
Yeah, hide it.
joe rogan
We have to hide it in stories.
duncan trussell
Draw fish in the sand to let people know you're a Christian, which is so cool.
The underground Christianity is so cool.
And the stories of the Christian saints getting fucking butchered and ignited and then crying, not because they're being immolated, but for the people immolating them.
Oh, shit!
That is so hardcore, man.
joe rogan
Hardcore.
duncan trussell
And, dude, to get back to your other thing, you know, about, like, that folder on the desktop.
This is, if you want to understand, it always confused me, the whole born-again thing.
That's what they're talking about.
It's like, you have to, you have to, like, fucking get rid of that folder.
joe rogan
Yeah.
duncan trussell
And also what's cool about it is it's saying you can.
You don't have to like be that.
You don't have to like continue on this like dark, shitty, neurotic, sad, depressed, selfish, greedy, angry, shadowy life.
Like at any second there is a way to enter the kingdom of heaven, which is apparently here, like stepping into another universe.
What the Gnostics called Gnosis to wake up to like real reality.
And not the reality of the Demiurge.
Which is what I would say, if you want to find like what the Demiurge is, it is the hypnotic zeitgeist that is being presented to us by hierarchical power structures that presents a universe of suffering and sorrow and hell with no solution ever offered.
joe rogan
No one is safe.
duncan trussell
No one is safe and nothing can fix it.
No one will fix this, some version of that.
And what you do is you hypnotize people.
And now they worship you because they're connecting to fear.
And so this is like the story of like, you know, you embody that force, call it whatever you want, Satan.
You embody that force.
joe rogan
Hitler.
Hitler embodies Satan.
duncan trussell
Yeah, just follow me.
joe rogan
Imagine.
Hitler, when he was...
What's that famous speech that he gave?
The one that's available.
You could actually watch it on YouTube.
duncan trussell
I don't know.
joe rogan
It was in front of this gigantic throng of people.
I mean, he is the guy that's leading the Holocaust.
He is the guy that's trying...
And he's hopped up on meth.
duncan trussell
High as a kite.
joe rogan
High as a kite on meth.
They're shooting testosterone into him.
He's out of his fucking mind.
duncan trussell
Blasted.
joe rogan
They're giving him cocaine injections.
duncan trussell
Look how high he is.
joe rogan
Can we hear some of this?
unidentified
Now, if you're a regular person and you see someone talking with this kind of power...
Bro.
joe rogan
You've seen him tweaking out at the Olympics?
duncan trussell
Oh, dude.
joe rogan
That's my favorite Hitler.
duncan trussell
Incredible how high he is.
joe rogan
Just hardcore tweaking.
See if you can find that.
Hitler, tweaking.
But see, that speech is fascinating because you're seeing it from there.
There's some speeches where you see the size of the crowd that he was rallying for.
unidentified
Dude.
joe rogan
There he is, tweaking.
duncan trussell
Not fun.
joe rogan
Now, if you wanted to bring Satan into the material world, you would do it through a guy like Hitler.
That's essentially Satan in the material world.
He essentially was Satan.
He essentially was Satan.
He was like a pawn of Satan.
Like, if Satan is a real thing, well, what is evil?
Oh, you're being silly.
But if it is evil, it exists, right?
duncan trussell
And body evil.
joe rogan
The Holocaust was evil.
What he did was evil.
How do you know that's not Satan?
It's literally satanic ideas embedded in a human being.
That's real.
That's a real thing.
And you can call it evil.
You can call it corrupted by money.
You can call it corrupted by power.
You can come up with a bunch of names for it.
But it's just evil.
jamie vernon
He's still moving really fast.
I thought they sped it up because the other guy's moving really fast too, but...
joe rogan
Well, I think cameras were kind of goofy back then, right?
But he's just tweaking hard.
No ifs, ands, or buts.
He's tweaking hard.
duncan trussell
It looks like he's getting like a rough back massage, but nobody's there.
jamie vernon
Looks like he's fucking.
duncan trussell
Oh, dude, he's about to pass out.
joe rogan
Bro, that guy looks...
duncan trussell
And everybody's so scared of him, no one's like, dude, relax.
Why are you fucking rocking like that?
joe rogan
Like, take some CBD. Someone on a podcast had the story, it might have been Dan Carlin, but there was a story about when Hitler, maybe it wasn't, I'm not sure, Hitler went to visit Mussolini and apparently he had just got back from a campaign and he was exhausted and so they shot him up with testosterone and they shot him up with cocaine and Mussolini was gonna try to get out of the war and Hitler just fucking cornered Mussolini and just talked at him for like six hours.
Okay, okay, I guess we're in.
Fuck.
duncan trussell
Dude, imagine getting cornered by Hitler when you're on cocaine.
joe rogan
You're both on coke, probably.
I bet everybody was on coke back then.
duncan trussell
Dude, do you know the story of...
Dr. Feelgood?
No, that's a good story.
You know the story of Diogenes?
I don't know how to pronounce it.
There's a story, this is some great philosopher, And Caesar hears about this great philosopher.
Apparently he was an ascetic.
He's living by a river.
He's eating out of a dog bowl.
But he's revered as this brilliant, brilliant mind.
And so Caesar...
Goes to visit him with his, like, you know, I don't know, chariot, you know, the imperial regalia, because he wants to co-opt the philosopher.
That's what the state wants to do, is to create a connection between the philosopher and the state.
So he goes there, and he says to him, you know, I'll give you anything you want.
Just, what is it?
And he goes, can you move a few steps to the right?
You're blocking the sun.
unidentified
Okay.
The ultimate takedown of that bullshit!
duncan trussell
You're just a fucking person.
That's all you are.
Whatever it is you've convinced other people to think you are, you're just like me.
There's really no difference.
And you just are doing everything you can to steal the limelight from...
Nature, from God, from the light.
And it's so obvious.
There's nothing there.
It's smoke and mirrors.
Wizard of Oz.
It's when he comes out from behind the fucking curtain.
There's nothing there.
There's especially nothing compared to when you take the mushrooms that apparently inspire the Bible and you get the direct transmission.
And the direct transmission really doesn't give a shit about people like that.
It's almost oblivious in a weird way.
joe rogan
But here's the question.
for significant cultural change, sometimes people like that have to exist to elicit outrage.
And that's what wakes people up.
That's what leads people to understand that you just can't just let these feeble minds run civilization.
You just can't.
You can't and you got to get involved because if you don't get involved, they stay in power.
duncan trussell
Right.
joe rogan
And the same fucking system corrupts your children, their children, everyone's children in the future.
Everyone's a prisoner of this fucking stupid thing.
duncan trussell
That's it.
joe rogan
And it's not worth it.
It's not worth it even for the people that are perpetuating it because you're not going to live forever.
You're going to live and you're going to die and everybody's on the same fucking path.
We gotta make it better for everybody.
And the only way to make it better for everybody, the only way to make it better for everybody is you gotta remove money and influence from any of these decisions.
You can't let people make money because you've made decisions to kill folks.
You can't let people make money because you've made decisions to imprison people.
You can't any of that.
duncan trussell
You can't reward it.
But, you know, I think there's a precursor step.
I mean, the first step is...
joe rogan
Mushrooms.
duncan trussell
Even before you take the...
Stop being an idolater.
Like, in the fucking Bible, I always was confused.
Like, what's this worshipping false idol shit?
Because it just seemed odd.
I was like, why the fuck does God give a shit about that?
It created the universe, so what?
They're like throwing flowers at a cow.
Who fucking cares?
But now, in my old age, I get it.
Because it's not...
It's obviously...
It's representing...
Don't let anybody trick you into thinking that they're God.
Don't let anybody trick you into thinking that they are some...
Whatever the fuck it is, don't let a middleman...
Tell you that he's got a direct line to the divine that you don't have.
Because whatever that may be, whether it's literally God, whether it's some access to some world of scientific information that you're too dumb to understand, whatever it may be, don't fall prey.
Don't succumb to that level of manipulation.
And the best way to do that is to look for the truth.
And for me, that's God.
That's aligning with what I would think of as a transcendent, benevolent, ever-expanding, Consciousness.
And then this is where the mushrooms come in.
And at that point, once you get a taste of that, then those tricks don't work anymore.
They don't work as well.
They could still work, but it doesn't work as well.
It's like if someone's giving you waku steak and then they're like, hey, do you want to go eat delicious steak with me here or should we just go to Sizzler?
What are you going to say?
What are you gonna say?
And so that's the idea.
It's like those people are sizzler.
Number one, you don't care as much that you might die because you've connected with something that seems to transcend death.
And so then once you've done that, what power do they fucking have?
Now you're not afraid to die.
Now they're burning you alive and you're praying for them while you die.
What?
What a mindfuck!
joe rogan
What a mindfuck.
duncan trussell
Watching someone you're immolating cry and pray for you because they see how lost you are.
That person is not sleeping anymore.
Like you're not sleeping after that.
It's so powerful.
But you got to anchor yourself in something other than the world or the world will drag your ass all over the place.
joe rogan
Well, the world that we live in is the world of the animal.
We are animals, and we're so connected to this biological existence that has fueled our evolution.
That's what we were a long time ago, and we still have that DNA, that DNA of the survival animal that is being threatened, that's encroached upon by the competition of survival of the fittest amongst the breed.
I mean, you watch it in that Chimp Empire show.
You watch the way chimpanzees do it.
It's like we're an accelerated version of it.
duncan trussell
That's it.
joe rogan
That's just us.
And...
There's got to be an understanding of that.
We've got to understand that we're susceptible to someone running things.
We're susceptible to a leader.
It's a natural built-in...
It's not like we see this person and we're like, that person is so good at life, they should probably run everything.
It's not like that.
It's like we just need someone.
Are you my daddy?
You're not my daddy.
You're my daddy for four years.
But I'll tell you what, we're gonna vote you out, daddy.
duncan trussell
Get a new daddy.
joe rogan
And we need a new daddy.
The country needs a new daddy.
Yeah.
This daddy sucks.
Grampy's got problems, and we try to ignore it.
We try to pretend it doesn't exist, but everybody knows.
And then every four years you get a new daddy.
And sometimes you hate daddy.
Daddy sucks.
Daddy's a racist.
duncan trussell
It's like your mom keeps marrying dudes.
joe rogan
Daddy doesn't want Mexicans to get in here.
duncan trussell
Yeah, man.
Yeah, right.
Yes.
joe rogan
Yeah.
duncan trussell
And the whole fucking thing is so dumb.
joe rogan
So dumb.
duncan trussell
Because what's really nuts is you're spending, at least I'm basing this on scanning Twitter, apparently all of your day angry at the government or angry at people who don't like the government and the whole time that that's happening your life is just rotting away rotting and melting away your chance to like be in the world and experience actual reality where the daddy is
the seasons and the daddy is gravity and the daddy you space Space!
You miss all of that.
And so instead of connecting to sky mind, as it's called sometimes, you're connecting to this one pixel in a tiny little fragmentary part of human history.
And you are generating powerful emotions from the machinations of whoever this person may be.
It's very sad just because you're missing out.
On the bigger picture, probably.
It's a bigger thing out there.
How exciting.
Even if you're the most profound atheist in the world, do the experiment.
Do an experiment.
Pray.
It doesn't matter how you pray.
Pray like an asshole.
Pray abusively towards God.
Do any form of prayer at all.
You just have to be open-minded about what happens over the next few days.
Just be open-minded.
Throw in the mushrooms.
See what happens.
Because even if it's all bullshit and there's just something built into the DNA of humanity that when we invoke a deity it makes our lives better...
Your life is better!
joe rogan
Yeah.
duncan trussell
Even if it's some materialist explanation behind why the majority of people on the planet believe in prayer and will claim that it has made their life better, great!
You've figured out some, like, hack for your biology, you know?
But what if it's real?
Shit!
joe rogan
Well, what if it's real because of the hack?
duncan trussell
Right.
joe rogan
What if that's what it is?
It's like you just have to get your mind to a state where heaven is real.
You get your mind to a state where there is a God.
duncan trussell
Yeah.
Yeah.
It's not like you have to believe it forever either.
joe rogan
But also, if it's a God beyond your comprehension, beyond the comprehension of the mere mortal brain, to just even envision what that means, Wouldn't it mean something that created the universe?
duncan trussell
Sure.
joe rogan
Okay.
Well, something definitely created the universe.
So if there is a God, it's left a giant fucking footprint, right?
It's letting you know it's done this.
duncan trussell
A universe-sized footprint.
joe rogan
And you might say, well, it doesn't exist because there's not really a man in the clouds and there's not a guy with a beard, some patriarchal asshole who runs the world and doesn't like gays.
That's not what we're talking about.
That's the God of man.
But whatever it is made the universe is a thing.
What is that thing?
Is it just chance?
Is it just chance?
Is it just atoms colliding?
Is it just a bunch of chaos going on in a fucking hyperspace form?
Is that what it is?
Okay.
Maybe that's God.
Maybe that thing is God.
duncan trussell
Yeah.
joe rogan
Because it literally creates everything.
So whatever that is.
duncan trussell
At one level it is that.
At another level it's a unified harmonious event.
The idea is that there's a distinction.
Absolute reality.
This is the sum total of all things.
This is when you know you've taken the right dose of mushrooms where you are gone.
Unit of consciousness.
You are now part of the whole.
That's absolute reality.
Relative reality is the chaos.
One does not negate the other.
The two are working together in this beautiful dance that they do with each other.
And so if you get lost in one or the other, You're gonna embarrass yourself.
Like, this is the thing.
It's like, if you get too caught up in absolute reality, then you're not paying your credit card bills.
This is when Jesus said, offer unto Caesar what is Caesar's.
It's like, you must acknowledge the material world because you're fucking in it and you gotta pay bills.
unidentified
Right.
joe rogan
Doesn't it also mirror the free will argument?
The free will versus determinism?
Like determinism states that you have no free will.
duncan trussell
Right.
joe rogan
But clearly you do.
duncan trussell
Yeah.
joe rogan
You know you make choices.
duncan trussell
Absolutely.
joe rogan
We all make choices.
The idea that these choices are only made because of the contents of your existence.
Kind of true.
But also you can learn and make better choices next time.
Like there's something going on.
So both things I think are going on.
duncan trussell
Simultaneously.
joe rogan
But people want to be very dogmatic about it.
They will argue to the death that it's only determinism.
And people will argue to the death that free will is what really shapes the world.
duncan trussell
Yeah.
joe rogan
And determinism is nonsense.
And there's been plenty of examples of people that came from horrific backgrounds, grew to become exemplary people.
duncan trussell
Yeah, the continuum runs from this kind of like, I don't know, eternalism and nihilism.
That's the continuum.
So, you know, when you get imbalanced in one or the other, it has a real effect on your life.
But the idea is...
For example, does God change?
Maybe the personality of God changes.
Maybe the idea that we aren't part of God, that if God is the totality of all things and the sum total of all lives that have ever lived outside and inside of time, you're part of God.
You're part of the evolution of God.
You're part of the outgrowth or outflow of the divine consciousness.
That is Who and what you are.
And so you change, so God changes.
In fact, it appears that God loves change because things are constantly changing within that creation, if you want to use that model.
unidentified
Within the entire universe.
duncan trussell
Yeah.
joe rogan
Nothing is in a static state.
duncan trussell
Right, yeah.
joe rogan
Which is why it drives me crazy when people talk about controlling the climate.
And I'm like, listen, we should definitely stop polluting.
We should definitely stop releasing CO2 from emissions if we could do that.
We should definitely stop doing all those things.
We should definitely figure out a way to fuck, do something to stop the harm that industrial agriculture is doing to the earth.
unidentified
Absolutely.
joe rogan
We definitely should figure that out.
Also, this shit that's gonna happen, you got no say in ice ages, super volcanoes, asteroid impacts.
duncan trussell
Nuclear war.
joe rogan
Earthquakes.
duncan trussell
Yeah.
joe rogan
There's some shit that goes down and has gone down, and that's what shaped the very mountains you're vacationing in, stupid.
Like, that's literally the earth being upheaved through the bottom by molten lava.
duncan trussell
Right.
joe rogan
The rise of the crust that creates these majestic peaks that you like to ski down, you fucking ape.
duncan trussell
Yeah.
joe rogan
We have to protect nature!
Nature's not gonna protect you!
I'll tell you that, it'll shake everything off and start again every fucking billion years if it wants to.
duncan trussell
I think it's very scary at first if you really acknowledge the reality of how finite you are and how the planet that you're on Is uncontrollable.
And maybe we can make some shifts.
Obviously, clearly, carbonation, everything you said.
Obviously.
First of all, obviously.
Obviously!
Everyone wants clean water.
Everyone wants clean air.
We all want that.
Stop pretending some part of your species is like...
Somebody dump some oil in that fucking ocean out there.
I want some.
It's very condescending and I think it's like non-productive if your goal is to get everyone on board.
Telling half of the people or whoever that they're fucking idiots is not gonna get them to your rallies.
Like there needs to be a little more compassion towards those people.
But yeah, man, to deal with the real truth, which is like no one's gonna remember you in about 200 years.
No one will think about you.
No one's going to remember you.
No one's going to care about you.
No one will visit your grave.
There will be no one dreaming of you because they're going to be dead.
And you're gone.
joe rogan
And it doesn't matter even if they do care about you.
duncan trussell
Because you're gone!
unidentified
You're out!
You're out!
joe rogan
I hope you did a good job of informing the people of everything you learned around you.
And hug as many people so they miss you.
But that's about it, buddy.
We're all on some weird, infinite journey.
duncan trussell
And I think some people have gotten a little confused into thinking that they don't understand that their attempt to, like, quote, save the planet, which, again, please do, is actually an attempt to keep themselves from dying.
joe rogan
Yeah, that's 100%.
duncan trussell
Right?
That's what it is.
joe rogan
It's also a righteous ideology to attach yourself to that elevates your social standing.
That's a problem with all environmental movements.
There's a lot of people that run them that are douchebags.
And there's a lot of people that run them that are beautiful, amazing people that really do just want to change the world.
And then there's people that attach themselves to movements.
Because if you attach yourself to a righteous movement, you must be a righteous person.
And so it exonerates them of all their shitty personality traits because they can say, Hey man, I'm fucking doing this for the earth!
And they have all this shitty fucking energy that's attached to a cause that you probably support.
duncan trussell
Yeah.
joe rogan
Like, hey man, how about fuck you?
b-real
And then you don't even like the environment anymore.
joe rogan
Now you want to use plastic straws.
Fuck the turtles.
duncan trussell
Yeah, man.
I just don't see how a strategy that has built into it condescending aggression is going to create the massive changes that you are prescribing.
Yes.
How the fuck is it even going to work?
joe rogan
How is it possible?
duncan trussell
You are ignoring the entire human biome and the psychology of that biome and thinking, what are you going to do?
Shame people into not using plastic?
Are you going to humiliate people?
joe rogan
What are you going to do?
duncan trussell
How does that work?
joe rogan
It doesn't work.
It's never going to work.
I saw a fucking meme online that was amazing.
It was a paper straw in a plastic package.
It's amazing, looking at that, like how ridiculous that is.
duncan trussell
Exactly.
joe rogan
How is that not in the Babylon Bee or something?
Like, is this real?
They really have a paper straw that's wrapped in a plastic package?
duncan trussell
Fucking crazy.
joe rogan
That's so nuts.
And did it really all come out of that one sea turtle that got a straw up his nose, that horrible video that we all watched?
unidentified
That was the worst.
joe rogan
That was horrible.
duncan trussell
Yeah, it came because of that sea turtle.
joe rogan
I bet there was coconut straw.
duncan trussell
Some kind of like Atlantean coke.
joe rogan
I think Joey Diaz actually said that.
duncan trussell
That's funny.
joe rogan
A paper straw and plastic wrapper.
The green movement in a single picture.
I think I might have stolen that from Joey.
duncan trussell
Joey, sorry.
That's still a very funny joke.
joe rogan
Yeah, I'm just trying to figure out where I heard that.
I think it's Joey.
duncan trussell
It's like, okay, let's think about the language of it, right?
Okay, things are getting hot.
We gotta cool them down.
joe rogan
Yes.
duncan trussell
Cool yourself down first, because the idea is you are part of the planet.
joe rogan
Yes.
duncan trussell
And the energy that you are invoking every day is hot, angry, fiery energy.
joe rogan
It affects everyone around you, and then it affects them as they affect other people.
duncan trussell
So since you're part of the planet, aside from doing all the things that make sense regarding carbon emissions or whatever it is that you think is going to fix things, you have to do something a lot harder than recycling.
You have to calm down and get real peaceful because I think that's what you want in the world.
joe rogan
That's what everybody wants in the world.
But it's just hard when you don't have it in yourself.
So if you don't have it in yourself, you have to take control of your own biology and your own mind and help yourself first.
Once you help yourself and you put that energy out there, you could affect the people around you.
They can affect the people around them.
unidentified
That's it.
joe rogan
That's why some neighborhoods are better than, you know, not just because of economics, but also because some neighborhoods are like filled with nicer people.
duncan trussell
Yeah.
joe rogan
It's like you got a good neighborhood.
You got a good neighborhood.
That's beautiful.
You got a great neighbor.
Like, hey buddy, what's up?
You're cool with them?
duncan trussell
It's the best.
joe rogan
It's nice.
It's actually fun.
It's wonderful.
I had the best fucking neighbor in California.
He's the nicest guy.
And his fucking house caught on fire and my friend Bud actually had his house fire put out because he was friends with the firemen and he stayed in while they evacuated.
I was so happy that they saved this guy's house.
duncan trussell
That's so cool.
joe rogan
Such a good dude.
It's so nice when you like people and you see them.
There's a guy in my neighborhood, and every time I drive by, he waves at me.
He's this old fella, and he's always tending to his garden.
He's out there in the front.
And every time anybody drives by, this guy waves, and I wave to him, and I look forward to it.
And I drive that way during the day because I know that he's going to be out there because I want to say hi.
duncan trussell
I want to wave.
See, it's so simple.
joe rogan
It's such a little love thing.
We're just exchanging love.
duncan trussell
Don't put your fucking condescending political sign in your yard.
You know what I mean?
It's like intentionally cutting you off from your fucking neighbors, presupposing that whatever their particular political ideologies are, they're brutes compared to you.
Stop doing that!
You are creating the problem you're trying to fix.
Just via the mechanism you're using to fix the world is condescending, fucking patronizing signs designed to infuriate your fucking neighbors.
joe rogan
That is a weird one when you see those signs on people's lawns.
It's like, what are you doing?
duncan trussell
Yeah.
How about you put, I love you, in your fucking yard.
How about you do that?
Or like, come over if you're hungry.
Do that!
That's badass!
joe rogan
I saw a dude in front of his house.
He had a painted, gigantic painted sign.
There's a hunk if you love Trump.
duncan trussell
That is really...
unidentified
He wanted everybody to walk in front of his house just all day fucking fuck fuck!
joe biden
Torturing!
unidentified
Fuck fuck fuck!
duncan trussell
He's in there wearing hair like he...
joe rogan
That dude is not experiencing any peace.
duncan trussell
No peace.
joe rogan
No peace.
duncan trussell
No real peace because real peace...
joe rogan
Also fuck yous.
A lot of fuck yous, I'm sure.
People probably roll the window down and yell fuck you.
duncan trussell
Fuck you!
You worship the golden calf!
joe rogan
Fucking fascist!
duncan trussell
I worship the silver calf!
It's a war of idolaters!
You worship the monkey of light!
joe rogan
You dummy.
unidentified
Yeah.
joe rogan
You fell for it.
duncan trussell
You fell for it.
joe rogan
You sucker.
duncan trussell
Yeah, it's the sparrow of wisdom.
You got taken in by the Trump cult.
Yeah, exactly, man.
joe rogan
Yeah, that MAGA cult.
duncan trussell
Yeah, the whole time, the real reality is...
We're sharing a planet and we're all basically the same.
And that's the truth.
That's the truth.
And some people are confused and some people aren't.
And the best thing to do is to help.
Just help.
Like your friend who put out the fucking fire.
He wasn't like, wait, who did you vote for again?
joe rogan
Right.
Well, I guarantee you that guy voted Democrat.
My friend is not.
duncan trussell
It's like altruism is non-political.
joe rogan
Well, it used to be.
It used to be okay.
It used to be okay to have differing political views.
duncan trussell
Yes!
joe rogan
People used to have friends that were Republicans and friends that were Democrats and everybody was okay together.
Now everybody's like isolated in a tribe after Trump.
Trump, because he's so bombastic and he's got so much ego and it's so crazy, like...
I think even if he's good to get us away from the swamp, he's bad for the way people interact with each other because they hated him so much.
There's never been a guy that, like, people openly hated like that, that was running for president.
I mean, name one that was president that people openly hated.
Because even W, after 9-11, people were on his side.
duncan trussell
Yeah.
joe rogan
After 9-11, I remember he made that speech.
We all get all those people that did that.
We'll smoke them out of their holes.
Like, we were like, fuck, yeah.
duncan trussell
Yeah.
joe rogan
Everybody was like, fuck yeah.
The whole country had fucking American flags in their cars.
People that are young that don't remember those days, maybe were too young for it.
It was a fundamental shift in the way everybody thought about everybody.
People were letting people in.
They were letting people change lanes.
People were waving to people.
duncan trussell
It was weird.
joe rogan
It was weird.
Everybody had decided to chill the fuck out.
duncan trussell
Yeah, man.
joe rogan
And joined together.
We realized, like, we're all in this together.
We're all Americans.
duncan trussell
Yeah, you can do...
And that, you know...
joe rogan
You can do that without war.
duncan trussell
You can do that without war, and you could do that the way you do...
Like, as above, so below.
If we, regardless of whatever the fucking news is telling us, why we should hate this person and why we should like that person, if we ignore all that shit, and we all just start finding ways to connect with each other, at the very least, just stop judging people as harshly as you are, I think the government will follow.
I think, like, we'll wag the dog, so to speak.
That the government is like a reflection of us, and that the more we, like, just...
Delete that folder.
Abandon the fucking programming.
Abandon the way they've been separating us into so many ridiculous factions that are supposed to hate each other.
The more we could expect the government to shift.
And maybe that's naive.
joe rogan
It might not be naive.
It might be the only way.
And also the people that get into the government, people that grow up with this message, instead of being indoctrinated into that system, they come in there with like...
An eye for change, like a mind for change.
It is possible.
Change is always possible.
unidentified
Yes.
joe rogan
Because we are the living embodiment of the fact that change is possible, right?
We're the biggest experiment in self-government the world has ever known.
And right now, there's factions of our world that are working to try to undermine the whole self-government aspect of it.
duncan trussell
Well, yeah, it's because the federal fucking government doesn't need to be that big.
I mean, we have this gargantuan fucking massive federal government that needs to get pared down.
unidentified
And it wants to keep power.
duncan trussell
And it wants to divide.
joe rogan
There's a lot of people in there.
There's a lot of people in there that need to be paid.
There's a lot of money flowing.
duncan trussell
We're supposed to be on the same team.
joe rogan
Yes, we're all supposed to be Americans.
Brings me back to the aliens.
duncan trussell
Yes.
joe rogan
Because if there is anything that's gonna wake people the fuck up to how weird this whole thing is, is if all these people that are coming forward All these people that are talking about us having retrieved alien crafts, the Varginia incident in Brazil that they documented in that film, A Moment of Contact, which is an amazing James Fox movie.
I don't know if you've seen it.
It's fucking incredible.
It seems like there was a crashed UFO. It seems like there was a crashed UFO in Varginia, Brazil in 1996. And you go into the town, they have a replica of it that's at the beginning of the town.
It's like when you're entering into the town, they have a fucking UFO. Everyone who was alive back then has a story of seeing these things flying through the air.
The people that made contact with these creatures, one of them died of a horrible bacterial infection.
There's record of them transporting it to three different hospitals.
duncan trussell
Wow.
joe rogan
Yeah, wild shit, man.
Wild shit.
They did an autopsy on it, supposedly.
The Air Force supposedly flew into Virginia, Brazil and came back with the wreckage.
duncan trussell
Wow.
joe rogan
Yeah.
duncan trussell
Why did Brazil give, oh, you mean the Brazilian Air Force?
joe rogan
No, the United States Air Force.
unidentified
Why'd they give away their UFO? Because they probably had to.
joe rogan
Look, governments give countries aid, they do this, they do that, we work this, we'll protect you from that, we'll do this to help you from that.
There's a lot of weird shit going on, and if there's one country that really does have both possession of crashed UFOs and has a whole division, a secret division, where they find crashed UFOs and retrieve them, and this is what this guy David Grush is saying.
He's saying they do have that, and they are in possession of that, and that they're lying to Congress.
They're not showing Congress this, and they're not showing the American people this.
But if they did, if we knew, how much of, I mean, that's the Ronald Reagan speech to the United Nations.
Did you ever hear that speech?
duncan trussell
Yeah, sure.
joe rogan
It's an amazing speech.
duncan trussell
Yeah, yeah.
joe rogan
Because it made all the people, the UFO dorks go, yes!
duncan trussell
Right.
joe rogan
It's real!
But there was nothing forever.
Nothing.
To be a UFO fanatic from like 1980 to like 2017, you had to be a moron.
I was a moron.
Look, I was one of those guys.
But there was not much.
You weren't getting much.
You'd occasionally get a book.
I remember...
duncan trussell
I mean, Roswell.
You had Roswell.
joe rogan
You did have Roswell, but you also had some weird stuff.
And one of the weird things we had was the abduction phenomenon.
That was very weird.
The guy from Harvard, John Mack, who did all those hypnotic regression sessions with people that claimed to have been abducted, and they were eerily similar.
Eerily similar.
But apparently people have questioned his methodology and people have questioned the leading nature of whether or not he led people into these thoughts by questioning and asking them, what have you experienced?
Have you been encountering UFOs as an alien?
I don't know what he asked.
duncan trussell
You know what it's called, swamp gassing?
You know that term, swamp gassing?
joe rogan
No, what's that?
Oh, yeah, yeah, yeah.
You attribute, yeah.
duncan trussell
So people are having legitimate experiences all around the fucking planet, and then people are like, they're all crazy.
joe rogan
Right.
duncan trussell
Or they were all tricked into saying something.
joe rogan
What are the criticisms of John?
See if you can find Google criticisms of John Mack abduction hypnotherapy.
duncan trussell
Man, I gotta use the back.
joe rogan
This is the problem with these things.
Like, we have a zipper on the back.
Yeah, I gotta unzip you here before you can pee.
Should we end this?
We're at like four hours.
duncan trussell
Four hours?
joe rogan
Yeah, it's been four hours.
duncan trussell
Dude, we can't end it on the middle of a UFO thing.
We gotta finish out the UFO. I will piss in my fucking furry outfit.
joe rogan
Well, we don't have to.
We could just end.
duncan trussell
No, I mean, I like to.
That's something...
I got it.
That's something Meow Meow does.
joe rogan
What do you got?
jamie vernon
The John Mack thing.
I remember talking about this.
joe rogan
Oh, the John Mack thing.
Yeah.
That's right.
How are you doing?
You alright over there with your pee-pee?
It's hard, right?
It's hard to concentrate.
duncan trussell
Meow Meow likes to pee on himself.
joe rogan
No, Meow Meow.
Don't do it in my studio.
Ari's already done that.
Ari's pissed in here half a dozen times.
In the old one, he used to piss in kombucha bottles.
Yeah, so he interviewed all those children in Zimbabwe that had a mass sighting, and that one's very compelling.
Very, very, very compelling.
Because all these kids have the same story, and he talks to them independently, and they all have the same story.
Look, man, if these fucking whistleblowers are telling the truth, we have been visited.
duncan trussell
Yeah.
joe rogan
And these kids are telling the truth, which makes way more sense than they're all just lying and they all have the same story.
duncan trussell
Yeah.
joe rogan
Doesn't make sense.
duncan trussell
It's gonna be so fun to go back through every single, like, one of these events that we have, like, rolled our eyes at.
From the perspective that we have UFOs.
joe rogan
Can you play some of this, Jamie?
jamie vernon
What I remember reading about this, though, I just want to add this in.
I read that this would be antithetical to what he's saying or what we're hearing right now.
He spoke to all these kids in a big room.
There's like 60 kids, and he talked to them all at once.
And Asik sort of was leading them on questions.
Did you see this?
Did you see that?
And a couple of them did.
And then when they're in this environment where he's talking to them one-on-one, they're kind of all remembering what they talked about in that room.
joe rogan
That's what I read.
Oh, interesting.
jamie vernon
I don't know if that's exactly what happened, but that's what I read.
joe rogan
But let's hear the kids talk.
unidentified
Where was the pointy part?
Was the pointy part in here, or was the pointy part up there?
joe rogan
Back it up, Jamie, so I can hear what he's talking about here.
unidentified
Did you see the eyes?
joe rogan
Yeah, here it is.
unidentified
What did they look like?
They looked like they did.
Where was the pointy part?
Was the pointy part in here or was the pointy part up there?
And what was the feeling when you looked at the eyes?
It was scary.
Scary why?
What made it scary?
The eyes looked evil.
Evil?
And what was evil about?
jamie vernon
Say what you mean by evil.
unidentified
It looked evil because it was just staring at me.
With what?
Staring at you as if what?
As if to do what?
joe rogan
As if it wanted to come and take us.
unidentified
As if it wanted to come and take you?
That was the feeling you got?
That it wanted you to go with it?
Did you feel like you wanted to go with it?
No.
What was the effect on you when you felt it wanted to have you go with it?
I just unmoved to when I started crying.
They came running up here in such a panic.
And I mean, even if we had staged it, they could not have run all together like that.
Even if we practiced it, I don't know how many times.
They came up here like a living snake.
We were in a staff meeting and we just heard them screaming, screaming, and a child can't make that up.
I was very skeptical in the beginning as well.
I believed that they'd seen something, but I wasn't prepared to accept that it was anything supernatural, anything like that.
joe rogan
So if we know now that they actually do visit, and that there actually has been some sort of contact, and when that guy was describing, you have physical bodies He's saying if you have a crashed vehicle, sometimes you have a dead pilot.
That was his way of describing it.
I'm like, holy shit, man.
duncan trussell
Yeah.
joe rogan
That means they come and there's an actual alien?
duncan trussell
Yeah.
joe rogan
So imagine you're in Zimbabwe and you're a kid just hanging out at school and a fucking actual UFO lands and aliens get out and you think they're thinking about taking you?
duncan trussell
Yeah.
joe rogan
And that was kind of planted in her head by him, I felt like.
duncan trussell
Right.
joe rogan
I felt like that was kind of leading.
Like he led her to say that.
I feel like there's a way that you could have talked to her.
First of all, you'd have to calm her down first.
My strategy would be to get her very relaxed talking first.
I don't know if they did that.
But ask her a bunch of questions.
What do you like to do?
What's your favorite part of school?
What's your favorite subject?
Do you play any sports?
Do you have any games you like?
Just talk about it.
Kids love to talk about things they like to talk about.
duncan trussell
Right.
joe rogan
And then go, I'm really sorry this happened to you, but can you tell me what happened?
And then just let them talk.
Let them talk.
And you don't say, did you feel like it was trying to take you?
duncan trussell
Right.
joe rogan
Don't plant anything.
I think with a little kid, you have to say, so why was it evil?
Was it evil because you couldn't see their eyeball because their eyes were different?
duncan trussell
Right.
joe rogan
What felt evil?
Because if you look into a fucking eagle's eyes, they look evil.
Sure.
Eagles look evil.
Their eyes are looking at you like this.
duncan trussell
They're glaring.
joe rogan
If an eagle was as big as you, it would be fucking terrifying.
duncan trussell
Dude, that would be the worst, but you could saddle them.
joe rogan
But do you know they used to have a bird like that?
It was called a terror bird.
It was like an enormous bird that lived in North America that was like...
I think it was way bigger than like...
A human being.
They were fucking huge.
Huge predatory birds that didn't fly.
You ever heard of these things?
duncan trussell
Terror birds?
joe rogan
Terror birds, yeah.
Google terror birds.
There was these ancient birds that lived, oh fuck, I don't know how long ago, man, but they were fucking enormous.
Look, there's some images of like what one looked like next yeah the up top where it looked like no no no up top up top That's the that's that's how big they were so you could have ridden one of these Oh, yeah fucking for sure if it didn't eat your dick immediately it would swallow you whole you ever see like a Fucking pelican swallow a seagull whole dude.
That would be what it would be doing to a human gulp you down That was a real animal, dude.
duncan trussell
That is how I would dress if I rode one.
joe rogan
Imagine if you could fucking get one of those things to follow your lead.
Look, he's got a bite, a thing in its mouth, a bridle.
But the reality was, I think they were way before people.
Like, when do these things exist?
unidentified
Terrorbird exists here.
joe rogan
The size of these motherfuckers.
What an awesome name for a bird, too.
duncan trussell
Fucking cool.
joe rogan
They range from 3 meters to 10 feet.
What does it say?
You can cut it out there.
It says they range from 1 to 3 meters, so 3 to 10 feet.
So a big one was 10 feet tall.
So 53 to, wow, 100,000 years ago.
So they lived alongside human beings.
Oh my god.
duncan trussell
Fuck that.
joe rogan
Oh my god.
No wonder why they're dead.
We probably fucking slayed those cunts.
duncan trussell
We got rid of them.
jamie vernon
There's even a slightly smaller version dating to 18,000 to 96,000 years ago.
joe rogan
Oh my god.
jamie vernon
18,000 is even closer.
duncan trussell
Dude, imagine what those talons could do to you.
joe rogan
Click on that one, the relatively small one.
How big is that?
Relatively small.
duncan trussell
Look at that dagger beak.
joe rogan
What does it say?
2.6 feet.
jamie vernon
820 pounds.
joe rogan
You've seen that shoebill, right?
You've seen that fucking creepy thing that lives in the Congo?
duncan trussell
No, man.
I come here for all my biology because, like, you show me...
joe rogan
Dude, shoebills are awesome.
duncan trussell
Oh, yeah, I've seen that.
Those things are cool.
joe rogan
They're huge, too.
Shoebills are, like, four feet tall.
This is a giant-ass bird.
And they clack their teeth together.
They clack their bills.
unidentified
They're like...
joe rogan
You never heard it?
No.
duncan trussell
Fuck that!
Get out of my yard!
joe rogan
That's how they let you know they're coming.
Look at those eyes.
If you're a little kid and you see that eye getting out of a spaceship, you'd be like, what the fuck, man?
duncan trussell
Look at that thing!
joe rogan
Look at that thing.
Look at that motherfucker.
And they fuck fish up.
They fuck fish up.
There's a crazy video of a shoebill.
There it is.
It's eating a snakehead fish.
So those snakehead fishes, those fish get out of the water and they walk on land to try to find more water.
So you have this fucking dinosaur fish getting eaten by this dinosaur bird.
duncan trussell
You finally make it out of your lake and that fucking thing eats?
Dude, we're so lucky we got born as humans.
joe rogan
And you're walking like this, like, Jesus Christ, get me to the water, get me to the fucking water!
Nope!
The clamps of death.
Look at those things.
duncan trussell
Look, you've showed up!
You've been promoting these birds!
joe rogan
That's so meta!
duncan trussell
Two thousand episodes, man!
joe rogan
Two thousand episodes, my brother.
And you've been there from the very beginning.
We've had some of my very favorite fun podcasts, and I think this is my favorite of all of them.
I love you to do it, brother.
duncan trussell
Likewise!
I love you too, Joe.
You're the best.
Thank you so much.
unidentified
My pleasure.
duncan trussell
Thanks for doing this show.
Thanks to letting me be on it.
joe rogan
Please.
And thank you for Duncan Trussell Family Hour.
That's my favorite podcast.
duncan trussell
Oh, my brother.
joe rogan
Thank you.
I listen to your podcast all the time.
duncan trussell
No, you don't.
Don't tell me that.
I'll get nervous.
joe rogan
You have the best ads of all time.
duncan trussell
Thanks, man.
joe rogan
You really do.
And when I need something fun and interesting, I go to your podcast all the time.
It's amazing.
duncan trussell
Man.
joe rogan
And all the different episodes that we've done and all the different outfits.
I think my favorite was when we were dressed up like clowns and they quoted us on Fox News.
duncan trussell
One of the greatest moments of my life.
unidentified
Ahhh!
joe rogan
Well, they'll probably do that with this one with furries.
duncan trussell
Joe, can I plug one show?
joe rogan
Yeah, please do.
duncan trussell
Coming up, Dania Beach Improv.
You can find the ticket links at DuncanTrustle.com.
joe rogan
You, dude, you're the fucking man.
I love you to death.
duncan trussell
Hare Krishna.
Thank you, Joe.
joe rogan
I'm so glad you're out here, too.
duncan trussell
Oh, thanks for luring us all out here, man.
We love Austin.
Thank you.
I love Austin.
jamie vernon
I'm happy, too.
joe rogan
There it is.
Dania Beach, Florida.
duncan trussell
Oh, shit!
joe rogan
Oh, my God.
duncan trussell
Oh, that's so weird, dude.
joe rogan
Oh, my God.
That's nuts.
That's nuts.
How is that possible?
duncan trussell
I don't know, man, because I generated that with an AI. Wow, that's weird.
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