May 5, 2023 - The Joe Rogan Experience
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Joe Rogan Podcast, check it out! | |
| The Joe Rogan Experience. | ||
| Train by day, Joe Rogan Podcast by night, all day. | ||
| We're up. | ||
| Mr. Hennessey. | ||
| Mr. Rogan. | ||
| Fun hanging with you today. | ||
| It's been a blast. | ||
| That fucking vehicle that you have built is the most ridiculous thing I've ever been inside in my life. | ||
| I can't believe how fast it is. | ||
| We only did the speed limit today, right? | ||
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Yes. | |
| But we got there very quickly. | ||
| We got there very quickly. | ||
| Yes. | ||
| 1,817 horsepower and 3,000 pounds. | ||
| So you got some power to weight ratio to work with there. | ||
| That's like 700 more horsepower than a Tesla Plaid. | ||
| Yeah, it's like taking a McLaren 765LT and adding 1,000 horsepower to it. | ||
| Something nobody needs, but we've sold 36 of those, the Venom F5. What happened to you in your life that you needed to make these preposterous cars? | ||
| Well, you know. | ||
| Like, what is going on? | ||
| Yeah, there it is. | ||
| How did you get to be this guy? | ||
| Like, how did this start out where you're making these 1,800 horsepower cars? | ||
| It's probably kind of like, you know, the pool hall deal when we were younger. | ||
| Like, I didn't have a good relationship with my old man. | ||
| He was a car guy, but we didn't get along. | ||
| And I don't know, maybe 60 years later, you know, I'm 60 now. | ||
| I've got, you know, I still feel like I've got a little chip on my shoulder or something to prove. | ||
| Maybe a little bit less now, but for sure... | ||
| Isn't it interesting that you would never want that for your son? | ||
| No. | ||
| But boy, is that a great motivating factor for success. | ||
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Oh, for sure. | |
| For sure, yeah. | ||
| I grew up in kind of an abusive situation and neglect, and now all of a sudden I've got all this motivation or I've had all this motivation for the last 40 years of my business career, so it's been good. | ||
| It's funny, because you would never want that for your children. | ||
| No, I mean... | ||
| It's amazing how well it's worked out for people like you, or for me. | ||
| Yeah, I mean, you know, I don't think everybody out there that has some level of success has not necessarily been abused and motivated by negativity, but I can definitely see with our five kids, with the... | ||
| Nurture mainly from my wife, Hope. | ||
| They're going to turn out just fine and there'll be plenty successful. | ||
| But, you know, that's just, I don't know your story, but that's my road, how I got here. | ||
| It can lead you to be very ambitious and very successful, but it can also just fuck your life up. | ||
| Oh, sure. | ||
| And you can be very ambitious and very successful and also be, like, happy. | ||
| Like, that's possible, too. | ||
| Absolutely. | ||
| That's possible, too. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| You don't have to have a tortured childhood. | ||
| For sure. | ||
| No, I'm very, very blessed. | ||
| I mean, you know, to have an opportunity to build toys for people, you know, whether it's, you know, a 700,000 to 800,000 horsepower pickup truck or a Venom F5. You know, we were talking earlier about first-world problems, right? | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| Something nobody really needs. | ||
| Nobody needs to go to a comedy show or MMA, but they do it for entertainment. | ||
| I tell people all the time, we're more... | ||
| Are those stars up there? | ||
| Yeah, they fly. | ||
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Oh, wow. | |
| Am I in a Rolls Royce? | ||
| There's a shooting star. | ||
| After the Ric Flair gummy bear, they're going to really start flying. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| Yeah, so now I feel very blessed, and we're definitely... | ||
| People come to us because they want to entertain themselves with their vehicles. | ||
| That's a great way of looking at it, too, because that's really what those kind of cars are. | ||
| When I try to describe my love of old muscle cars for people, because... | ||
| They kind of are not super reliable. | ||
| They're not so great at handling. | ||
| So I get them done into resto mods. | ||
| But when I drive them, the experience is entertaining. | ||
| It's like a ride. | ||
| I'm not just in a Corolla. | ||
| I'm not just in some quiet Subaru. | ||
| I'm in a ride. | ||
| But does it take, like when you drive your Land Cruiser, you drive, you know, one of your older cars, does it take you back to that time either when you had that car, you aspired to have that car, you knew the guy or the girl that had that car kind of growing up and you wanted it back then but you didn't know how you were going to get it? | ||
| Oh yeah, for sure. | ||
| With my Chevelle, definitely. | ||
| Because my Chevelle, I have a 1970s black with the white stripes, the tuxedo Chevelle. | ||
| Sure. | ||
| And when I was a kid... | ||
| What's that? | ||
| You got the cowl induction on the hood? | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| Well, it actually is a 454 under the hood. | ||
| And Colvin, Casey Colvin. | ||
| Sure. | ||
| You know Casey? | ||
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Sure. | |
| He's the man. | ||
| Big Viper guy. | ||
| Fucking love that dude. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| He hooked up the cowl so that it... | ||
| Nice. | ||
| Yeah, those vacuum hoses get old and crack. | ||
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Yeah. | |
| Yeah. | ||
| When I was a kid, when I was about 16 years old, one of my friends picked me up. | ||
| His friend had a 1970 Chevelle and we were going somewhere. | ||
| And I just remember getting in the backseat of the car going, how is it possible that this kid owns this car? | ||
| This is crazy. | ||
| It was the best looking car I'd ever seen in my life. | ||
| On those 70 series tires and guys used to back in the day when I had a 69 Olds 442 convertible. | ||
| And if you didn't have the Posse rear end, you'd have the one-tire fryer. | ||
| You know, she'd do the burnout and you got like one stripe going about 400 feet down the road. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| Those old cars suck to drive though. | ||
| Oh my god. | ||
| If you drive the old ones that don't have Restomod components, like Roadster Shop components, they're just terrible. | ||
| They're so bad. | ||
| Yeah, you know, I saw my wife for my 60th last year, my 60th birthday, she and the kids bought me a nice 69 Olds 442. So it's nice enough to where I'll drive it, but not so nice that I don't want to drive it. | ||
| And I just, man, when I drive that thing, it's the slowest, least powerful thing in the fleet. | ||
| But it just kind of brings me back. | ||
| I got this jam box I put in the backseat, a turtle box. | ||
| I just turn on my AC-DC and go out cruising around without a care in the world. | ||
| If it dies at the stop sign, we'll probably put an LT4 or an LSA in it. | ||
| We'll LS swap it at some point. | ||
| Do you think you'll do something to the chassis? | ||
| It would probably need that, but, you know, I like a scary ride. | ||
| That kind of entertains me, you know, so maybe to some degree. | ||
| I mean, we do want to have a balanced, safe car, but, you know, the old saying of Bob Lutz, who used to be the president of Chrysler back in the day when I first met him. | ||
| He was working for BMW in Germany. | ||
| He had a pretty fast motorcycle, and he's out tooling around Germany, and some dude just rips past him on the Autobahn, and he pulls into the gas station. | ||
| It's this old guy, and Bob goes up looking at his bike, and he's like, is that a turbocharger on your bike? | ||
| This dude, this is like the early 70s. | ||
| And the German guy says, yeah, yes, young man, it has a turbocharger. | ||
| Bob says, well, how much horsepower does that bike have? | ||
| He says, well, probably 200 of the tire. | ||
| And Bob's like, what? | ||
| 200 of the tire? | ||
| He's like, isn't that too much horsepower? | ||
| Bob is saying to this old German guy, isn't that too much horsepower? | ||
| And the old guy looks at him and says, young man, there's no such thing as too much horsepower. | ||
| Bob told me that story like 30 years ago. | ||
| I was visiting him up in Detroit. | ||
| And I think to some degree that's true. | ||
| That's a good story. | ||
| You want to have it balanced, you want to have it safe, you know? | ||
| As long as you're not there for the end. | ||
| As long as you're not in the ditch. | ||
| As long as you're not there for the accident. | ||
| The thing about motorcycles is the consequences are so grave. | ||
| Well, sure, yeah. | ||
| I've had a few. | ||
| I busted up my knee and spent a week in the hospital when I was in high school. | ||
| And I guess now the term they use, to some degree, is donor cycle. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| My boys all like to ride. | ||
| We ride KTM. We ride dirt bikes up in Colorado in the summertime, but I'm like, on the road. | ||
| You've got to be careful because even back in the day, if you're riding, you know, they're distracted drivers. | ||
| Now everybody's on their fucking phone. | ||
| Nobody's paying attention to shit. | ||
| So bad. | ||
| You know, so... | ||
| There's so many people that are just addicted to their phones and they can't put them down while they're driving. | ||
| It's so wild to see. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| I mean, every now and then I take a car service to the airport or something. | ||
| And if you're not driving, you can just like look out the window. | ||
| Just next time you do that, just look out the window. | ||
| More than half the people are fucking not even looking at the road. | ||
| They're on their phone. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| And they're supposed to be driving or they're putting on their makeup. | ||
| One of the things I love about Apple CarPlay is you don't have to take your hands off of anything. | ||
| You can just say, hey Siri, play. | ||
| It'll play a song for you. | ||
| I do that shit with my daughter because my daughter's into Taylor Swift and I don't have any Taylor Swift on my phone. | ||
| But I could just, while we're in the car, you want to listen to something? | ||
| And she brings up a song. | ||
| So I just say, hey Siri, play. | ||
| And then, bam! | ||
| Like that, it's playing it. | ||
| CarPlay works really well. | ||
| It's incredible. | ||
| It reads your texts. | ||
| It sends text for you? | ||
| It's fucking amazing. | ||
| Do you ever put CarPlay in any of your old cars? | ||
| They have retrofit kits now for that kind of stuff. | ||
| Yeah, I have. | ||
| But honestly, when I'm driving those old cars, I don't like to... | ||
| Sometimes I don't even like to listen to music. | ||
| Yeah, I'm the same way. | ||
| I really just want to hear that engine. | ||
| Sure, sure. | ||
| I listen to music sometimes, but it always gets annoying. | ||
| I want to hear that engine. | ||
| I want to hear that... | ||
| You want to fucking feel that V8. Spin the tires a little bit. | ||
| Not too much. | ||
| Yeah, I just, there's something about cars that I guess it was because when I was a kid, it represented freedom, right? | ||
| Because if you were in high school, if you didn't have a car, you had to ride the bus. | ||
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Freedom. | |
| Status. | ||
| Yeah, status for sure. | ||
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Chicks. | |
| Chicks for sure. | ||
| Friends maybe, you know? | ||
| It was really more impressive for guys than it was for girls. | ||
| Sure. | ||
| The kinds of cars I like, girls are like, this fucking thing stinks. | ||
| Yeah, yeah, yeah. | ||
| Smells like gas. | ||
| I went to this Jesuit high school up in Kansas City called Rockhurst. | ||
| I was a little guy and a total nobody. | ||
| I was on the wrestling team, and I think I was in the 98-pound weight class when I was a freshman. | ||
| Anyway, I was a total nobody, and then I bought a motorcycle from my dad when I was a sophomore. | ||
| I remember the first time I rolled into school, I was late, and there was this quadrangle where I could pull right up to the door, and there's all these windows that are open. | ||
| All these guys rushed to the window to hear what this loud motorcycle was. | ||
| And all of a sudden, I had status. | ||
| All of a sudden, I was not a nobody. | ||
| I was like, who's the wild man and the little kid and the motorcycle? | ||
| That is the thing, right? | ||
| If you're a kid showing up at school on a motorcycle, you're a wild man. | ||
| Yeah, yeah. | ||
| So I had my car crash, and the guy that lived across the street from me had this old 442 convertible. | ||
| It's kind of a crazy story. | ||
| My old man was an insurance adjuster. | ||
| And he was going to buy this car from this body shop for like a couple hundred bucks. | ||
| And he told me it was going to be my first car, blah, blah, blah. | ||
| And like a month goes by, I'm like, hey, Dad, when did we get in that car? | ||
| And he just kind of ignored me and just kind of blew me off. | ||
| And the next thing I knew, the neighbor across the street had that car. | ||
| So the tour trip, I didn't get the car, and now I got to go home every day on my motorcycle and look at the neighbor across the street who had the car. | ||
| So when I had my motorcycle wreck, I had two bikes, so 16, and I'm trying to fix my bike, and the guy across the street worked at this Ford factory up in Kansas City, and he offered to help me with the bikes, and I ended up making a deal with him, and I sold him. | ||
| I traded him the two bikes, and I paid him like 50 bucks a month for a year or something like that, and I bought the car back with my own money. | ||
| That's awesome. | ||
| So I'm like, F you, old man. | ||
| That's awesome. | ||
| Anyway, it was fun. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| When you first got into cars, what were the cars? | ||
| Were you always into American cars or were you into a lot of foreign cars? | ||
| You know, I mean, back in the back when, you know, mostly back in the growing up in the 70s and 80s, I mean, it was all muscle cars. | ||
| So, you know, you see the guy with the Cheval or the Camaro, the 70 and a half, Z28. How old were you? | ||
| I'm 60. Okay, so you're a little bit younger. | ||
| I'm 65. Yeah, so I just grew up around muscle cars, and then fast forward, you know, went to college for a few years, dropped out, moved from Kansas City to Texas, and back then, like in the 80s, the German cars, or they had these rally cars over in Europe. | ||
| And there was the Group B rally cars. | ||
| And they call them the Killer Bs because they got so fast back in the mid to late 80s that the crowds would bunch up in the road waiting for these rally cars blasting by at 120 or whatever. | ||
| And they knew where the rally cars were because the helicopters were chasing them, kind of spotting for them or the TV camera. | ||
| And then one time the cars got so fast that they got ahead of the helicopters and these Group B rally cars landed on people and killed a bunch of people. | ||
| So they call them the Killer Bs. | ||
| So I was really kind of enamored with the Audi Quattro. | ||
| They went to Pikes Peak and they raced at Pikes Peak. | ||
| And that's really kind of what got me. | ||
| So I kind of, you know, shifted gears from American Muscle to now kind of this higher-tech German all-wheel-drive turbocharged stuff. | ||
| And then kind of I started a small environmental cleanup like an asbestos abatement business back in the late 80s and made a little bit of money. | ||
| I wasn't dating my wife. | ||
| I wasn't married yet. | ||
| And so I read in Motor Trend magazine about this guy named C. Van Toon. | ||
| He was actually the editor at Motor Trend. | ||
| Back in the mid to late 90s. | ||
| And he had bought an Eagle Talon. | ||
| This is like 1990. Put a roll cage in it. | ||
| And he goes and enters the Pikes Peak Hill Climb in Colorado Springs. | ||
| And I read that and I'm like, oh man, my name's not Andretti or Unthra. | ||
| I can't just show up to Indy, but maybe I could do that. | ||
| And so, made a little bit of money on my asbestos business. | ||
| I was reading the car magazines. | ||
| And I'm like, I'm the kind of guy, whether it's then or now, I don't really want to do what everybody else has done. | ||
| I'm a contrarian by nature and You know, if everybody else is racing Porsches or whatever. | ||
| So I'm trying to find something that I can afford, but it's high-tech that I can modify to race at Pikes Peak. | ||
| And I read about a car that came out that year. | ||
| It was the Mitsubishi 3000 GT VR4. So it was all-wheel drive, twin-turbo V6. Let me see what that looks like. | ||
| Four-wheel stir. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| I had a Mitsubishi Starion. | ||
| Yeah, those were cool. | ||
| Those are coming back. | ||
| That's kind of Radwood-ish. | ||
| 3000. Yeah, just type in Hennessy 3000GT and you'll probably see something pop up. | ||
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Oh, you know what? | |
| Now that I'm thinking about it, I had the Dodge version of it. | ||
| I had the Conquest. | ||
| Yeah, the Stealth. | ||
| Oh, the Conquest. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| Oh, so you had one of those. | ||
| Those things were sick. | ||
| Yeah, those were cool. | ||
| I loved those things when I first saw those things. | ||
| So I took it and raced it at Pike's Peak and I didn't win anything. | ||
| Those things were the shit when they came out. | ||
| Drove it to Pikes Peak, drove it home. | ||
| I did a couple races. | ||
| If you type in, yeah. | ||
| You know what's crazy? | ||
| Does Mitsubishi... | ||
| There you go, that Motorten article. | ||
| There's Bonneville. | ||
| Mitsubishi doesn't make anything like that now, right? | ||
| You know, Mitsubishi, I mean, a good friend of mine, Joe Jacuzzi, is with GM now. | ||
| There were some really great folks at Mitsubishi, and maybe they've just kind of gone on to other things. | ||
| But yeah, the VR200... Wow. | ||
| So I learned the first rule in car racing. | ||
| Well, the first rule, if you want to make a small fortune in the car racing business, you start with a larger fortune. | ||
| And so I'm going and I'm doing these races, and I'm going to Pikes Peak, and I do these open road races in Nevada where you go out at night. | ||
| They still have it called the Silver State Classic. | ||
| They take Highway 318, just south of Ely, so about four hours north of Vegas, and they shut the whole highway down. | ||
| And they let these cars go out on a Sunday morning and go out and haul ass. | ||
| And so the first time I did it, my average speed for 90 miles was 164 miles an hour. | ||
| I did 90 miles in 34 minutes in that car. | ||
| Jesus Christ. | ||
| And, you know, the first time I did it, I didn't even have a roll cage, which is pretty stupid. | ||
| But... | ||
| After I did all this stuff, so I'm engaged, planning a honeymoon. | ||
| We bought a house. | ||
| I like to say we bought furniture, but my wife corrects me on that. | ||
| We inherited furniture from her family. | ||
| I think all I brought to the marriage was a mattress and a box spring and a desk, maybe, and a Mac. | ||
| Anyway, so I did all that. | ||
| I'm doing all these races. | ||
| Come home from the honeymoon, and I look at the bank balance, and I'm like, man, I used to have some money in the bank before I got engaged and bought a race car and raced all over the place, and I thought, you know, I really like doing this car thing. | ||
| Maybe other people would pay me to modify their cars, like Carroll Shelby, like Alois Roof with Porsches, Reeves Callaway. | ||
| And so October of 1991, we opened up Hennessy Motorsports, and I hired a mechanic and got a toolbox, and And off we went. | ||
| And that kind of led into the JDM market. | ||
| What kind of cars are you modifying back then? | ||
| So yeah, dude, anything that would roll in the door. | ||
| And I kind of had a little bit of notoriety from the Silver State race. | ||
| So, you know, it was JDM, so it was Supra's, 300ZX Twin Turbo, you know, so Grand So the Mark IV Supra, you know, the Cyclone, the Typhoon. | ||
| Oh, the GMC pickup truck? | ||
| Yeah, that had a little 3.8 liter single turbo V6. And so then a guy calls me up in early 93, and he said, hey, I've got one of the first Dodge Vipers coming. | ||
| It was actually a model year 92, but they had some production delays, so the car didn't come out to the spring of... | ||
| I bought a Viper and I want to take it to the Silver State race. | ||
| Can you help me put the safety equipment and help it pass tech? | ||
| And I said, sure. | ||
| I said, but I'll make you a deal. | ||
| If you let me modify it, I think I can get another 100 horsepower on that Viper. | ||
| And I'll do it for free. | ||
| I said, I won't even charge you to do it. | ||
| I said, the only thing I'll ask in return, I'll take you out to the race, I'll support you, I'll bring my mechanic, we'll look after your car. | ||
| After the race, if you'll, again, my buddy Joe Jacuzzi was with Mitsubishi at the time, said, hey, I'll take you around LA and I'll introduce you to the editor at Motor Trend and Hot Rod and Car Craft. | ||
| And road and track. | ||
| And sure enough, we did all that. | ||
| And I initially did it with my 3000GT, got some articles off of it. | ||
| And I'm like, when I was doing that back in the early 90s, this is before social media, this is before YouTube, no internet. | ||
| And so the only way we knew about car stuff is we did car magazines, right? | ||
| And so I'm doing all this for a couple weeks with Joe and going around. | ||
| I'm thinking, man, I've been gone a long time. | ||
| I did this race. | ||
| I go to talk to all these media guys. | ||
| And Joe's like, just be patient. | ||
| When the magazine comes out, If they like you and they like your car and they write something nice about it, your phone will ring. | ||
| Sure enough, the phone started ringing, so I did all that with the Viper. | ||
| How'd you get 100 more horsepower out of it? | ||
| You know, the Viper is a big, you know, 8-liter V10. And so back in those days, the exhaust systems sound like a UPS truck. | ||
| They still kind of sound weird. | ||
| It's two five-cylinders, basically, is what it sounds like. | ||
| So we freed up the exhaust. | ||
| We did a cold air intake. | ||
| We poured it and polished the head. | ||
| So we bumped it to at least 500 horsepower. | ||
| Then we started doing cams and stroker motors and eventually turbos. | ||
| And basically from 93 through for the next 10 years into the early 2000s, I would say we were on the covers of 30, 40 magazines, including all the major buff books. | ||
| Isn't it crazy when you think about the progression of cars and power that if you go back to the original Viper, it wasn't really that fast. | ||
| Now, compared to today... | ||
| What do they have horsepower-wise? | ||
| The original was 400, and then they went to 450. So 400 is like... | ||
| I mean, you get a regular Mustang GT, you're getting 460. Yeah, yeah. | ||
| The new Dark Horse would be 500, and I mean, you could take a Tesla Model 3 and beat an old Viper. | ||
| Oh, yeah. | ||
| But it was so torquey and it was just so outrageous. | ||
| It was raw. | ||
| It was raw. | ||
| No anti-lock brakes. | ||
| That's true. | ||
| It was kind of scary. | ||
| We spotted a lot of tires. | ||
| But, you know, pretty cool car for back in the day. | ||
| And again, me being the contrarian, there are plenty of other guys out there modifying Corvettes and Mustangs and things like that. | ||
| Of course. | ||
| I'm the guy that wants to be different. | ||
| So if you guys are modifying those vehicles, I'm going to modify the Viper. | ||
| And so that just kind of built up our, so our business kind of grew from a, just a small tuning shop to a larger scale tuning shop. | ||
| And then we added it up, well, maybe a year ago. | ||
| That's from 91 through about a year ago, we had modified about 15,000 vehicles worldwide. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
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Wow. | |
| We did mail order for a while and some of that was mail order, but last year we built, we modified 564 vehicles last year. | ||
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Wow. | |
| So when did you start getting to the shit you're doing now? | ||
| Like, you know, you made me a 1,000 horsepower TRX. That car is so stupid. | ||
| It is. | ||
| It is so stupid. | ||
| But it's so... | ||
| The problem with it... | ||
| And the brakes are good? | ||
| Because I was worried that you would end up in the back of an 18-wheeler. | ||
| No, I drive it very responsibly, believe it or not. | ||
| I just love the fact that it has so much power. | ||
| And it sounds great. | ||
| Oh, it sounds amazing. | ||
| It's very comfortable. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| And also, because it's high up, you get a great vantage point. | ||
| You get to see accidents before they happen. | ||
| If you're stuck in the highway and there's some wreck, you can just go through the grass and go into the feeder road. | ||
| Yeah, you really could do that. | ||
| And the other thing is, when I'm driving my older cars, I've got a Cadillac CTS-V wagon manual, and I'm pulling out of a store, and some lady at Christmas a couple years ago runs into me because she didn't see me. | ||
| So I do like driving something bigger like that because if they run into you, it's not going to do that much, and they generally see you and want to not run into you. | ||
| My Land Cruiser, well, the TRX has steel bumpers, too. | ||
| My Land Cruiser also has rock sliders on the side of it. | ||
| And so because it's lifted, if someone's going to T-bone me, they're going right into the rock slider. | ||
| Yeah, it's going to be worse for them than it is for you, for sure. | ||
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It's just, there's so many fucking bad drivers out there. | |
| Well, yeah, we could talk at length about that, but I think a lot of that boils down to, like, if you look at Europe, you look at Germany, getting a driver's license in Germany is a serious deal. | ||
| It takes two years. | ||
| It costs about $2,500. | ||
| Getting your driver's license in Germany, Germans are so serious, and they're serious about their cars and about their driving and about the Autobahn, but getting the driver's license in Germany is similar to, like, getting a private pilot's license over here. | ||
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Wow. | |
| Yeah, and so why don't we do that over here? | ||
| Well, that would be a higher barrier for a lot of people. | ||
| And so, you know, car companies want to sell cars. | ||
| Insurance companies want to sell insurance. | ||
| Also, like, maybe people don't need to learn how to drive that good. | ||
| They just need to pay attention and don't go fast. | ||
| That's true. | ||
| I mean, I don't know if it's speed, but it's just paying attention. | ||
| You know, I mean, our kids all just, you know, in the last 10 years all went through driver's ed, and I think they got, you know, some decent training. | ||
| But, you know, to your point, like lane discipline, like, you know, if you're the slowest guy out there, get in the right lane. | ||
| You know, if you're going a little bit faster, you go in the inside lane. | ||
| That drives any serious driver crazy is when somebody's in the left lane going 49. That doesn't bother me. | ||
| It does bother me, but it doesn't bother me not paying attention. | ||
| The not paying attention thing is wild. | ||
| It's wild. | ||
| It's so awful. | ||
| I would put some of that on the OEMs. | ||
| I think the OEMs, to some degree, try to make the cars nannies, whether it's autopilot or adaptive steering. | ||
| I think, I had a friend of mine's dad when I was in high school, I'll never forget, he said, hey kid, you know, if you want to stay alive, don't use, if you're driving at night, don't use your cruise control. | ||
| I'm like, well, why not? | ||
| Well, you set your cruise control, you got your tunes going, you're a little tired, you fall asleep, you end up in the ditch, right? | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| So I think that, you know, I would almost say that to some degree that the nannies to try to protect drivers all of a sudden become, well, maybe I can crawl in the backseat and take a nap, you know? | ||
| Here's a tip for anybody that might be driving and you're worried you're going to fall asleep. | ||
| Bring a washcloth with you and ice cubes. | ||
| Like, get a wet washcloth and then put ice cubes in that washcloth and just rub your face. | ||
| It'll keep you awake the whole time. | ||
| It's not painful, so I used to slap myself in the face. | ||
| That's what I used to do. | ||
| So you'd be out on a road trip and trying to drive through the night? | ||
| I've done all that. | ||
| It's because I was doing stand-up comedy at night and I was delivering newspapers in the morning. | ||
| So I was always fucking tired. | ||
| We've got a lot of things to come. | ||
| You delivered newspapers? | ||
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Fuck yeah, I did, dude. | |
| I was 12 years old, Kansas City Star. | ||
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Nice. | |
| And dude, I mean, I'm getting up at like... | ||
| 3.45, 4 a.m., delivering papers for two, two and a half hours. | ||
| And dude, like on a Sunday, which is- You on your bike? | ||
| No, I'm in the back of this paper truck. | ||
| And this guy had the route. | ||
| And then, you know, we would have to like roll the paper and put it in this machine and crank this thing. | ||
| It would tie a little knot with some string around it and fucking toss it out the window. | ||
| We're going by, you know, like dogs are barking at you and it's snowing and it's cold. | ||
| And then I'd be the, you know, I would do some of that. | ||
| But all of a sudden there'd be like an apartment complex. | ||
| Well, here's your stack of papers. | ||
| And I'm out. | ||
| Toss on the people's doorsteps and like on like a juicy day we might make like three dollars and twenty-five cents and so what we do we go we go to 7-eleven and we blow half the cash on frickin you know nasty burritos and big gulps and crap like that you know but that was just kind of what we did but that's I mean that's what we had to do to make you do your you're doing papers while you're doing stand-up yeah I was doing newspapers from the time I guess I was Probably like 17 or 18 when I first started it. | ||
| Maybe it was a little, yeah, somewhere around that range. | ||
| And I did it for the Boston Herald, I did it for the Boston Globe, and I did it for the New York Times. | ||
| Nice. | ||
| And so I had, at one point down, I had a huge route, and I even got a van. | ||
| I had like a cargo van. | ||
| So you had your own deal, you weren't working for somebody else. | ||
| No, I was working for a dispatch. | ||
| So you would get a job working for the Globe, and you'd go to the dispatch, and they'd give you a route. | ||
| So they'd give you a map and all the houses that are on it, all the addresses. | ||
| And then they would give you stacks of newspapers, and you had to fold them while you're driving. | ||
| So you're driving. | ||
| You pull up in front of the house. | ||
| I had a stack of papers right next to me. | ||
| And I would just go like this. | ||
| Grab it. | ||
| Zap, zap. | ||
| And I had these plastic bags that were hanging from my rear view mirror. | ||
| So I'd go, wham, and then chuck it out the window. | ||
| Yeah, I think we started going to the plastic. | ||
| So I did it from, I was probably 12 to maybe 14. And then one of my relatives was in a hospital in South Kansas City, St. Joe's. | ||
| And I found out that they did not have a paper route in the hospital. | ||
| And I was able to kind of get that. | ||
| I was able to get that franchise. | ||
| I was making like, back in the day, maybe 80 bucks a week, which was pretty good money back then. | ||
| Yeah, I was doing so many newspapers that I actually was, that was the primary money that I was making. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| So this was when I wasn't really making much money teaching. | ||
| You were a teacher too? | ||
| No, I used to teach martial arts. | ||
| Okay, yeah, yeah. | ||
| So I actually used to teach at Boston University. | ||
| Okay. | ||
| It was actually a pass-fail A, so it counted towards your GPA. So I would tell everybody, if you just try, you'll get an A. And it's a real A. So just try. | ||
| Just show up and try. | ||
| I like your story when those guys were following you and fucking with you, and you're like, hey, you want to come up to the Dodgers? | ||
| Oh, that was hilarious. | ||
| That was so dumb. | ||
| You want to get your ass whipped? | ||
| Come on. | ||
| It was hilarious because they just kept saying that I needed to give them money. | ||
| And then I said, where are you going? | ||
| I'm like, I'm going to go teach class. | ||
| You want to come up and watch? | ||
| Yeah, right. | ||
| You want to come be there? | ||
| And they're standing there in front of the Jehun Kim Taekwondo Institute, and they're looking at me. | ||
| They're like, you're teaching? | ||
| I go, yeah. | ||
| Yeah, I'm a black belt. | ||
| I'm teaching class. | ||
| I'll fucking kill you, man. | ||
| Leave me alone. | ||
| Don't let me kill you. | ||
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Exactly. | |
| It was so funny. | ||
| It was like the least nervous I've ever been as a young man. | ||
| It was like the perfect... | ||
| It was like the whole reason why I got into fighting at all was because I was terrified of being bullied. | ||
| And so to have this moment happen while I'm walking on the street and these two guys start fucking with me and I'm not rattled at all. | ||
| And then I get to that door and I tell them... | ||
| I saw the video. | ||
| I just laughed my ass off. | ||
| That was awesome. | ||
| So you started off in MMA, or you started off in Jiu Jitsu. | ||
| I started off in Taekwondo. | ||
| Taekwondo. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| Well, I started off in karate first. | ||
| I went to Esposito's Karate Academy, which was in Newton, Massachusetts, where I lived. | ||
| But it was hard to get there. | ||
| I didn't have a car, and it was like you had to take buses. | ||
| It was a grind to get there. | ||
| But Boston was pretty easy. | ||
| I just had to walk to the T, which was like I had to walk a mile and a half or something like that. | ||
| And then I would get to the T, which is the train that would take me right into Kenmore Square, which is right where the school was. | ||
| From the time you started to the time you felt like you had some skills or a little bit of confidence, how long did that take? | ||
| Six months? | ||
| Well, I was obsessed. | ||
| I mean, when I started, when I was 15, I was there every day. | ||
| I mean every day. | ||
| I didn't take any days off. | ||
| I was obsessed and I became a black belt in two years. | ||
| I was teaching almost right away. | ||
| I think when I got my blue belt, I started teaching private lessons. | ||
| Like for the new beginners, I teach them form and stances and how to get your hips into things. | ||
| And I was just teaching them like basics. | ||
| And that helped me a lot because there's something about teaching that like really sort of accelerates your own learning curve. | ||
| Interesting. | ||
| And so I was obsessed with it and I was competing already. | ||
| I started competing like right away when I was white belt. | ||
| So you're what, 16, 15? | ||
| 15. And so, you know, they would take you to these tournaments. | ||
| Like, so all you had to do was, like, be at the school and everybody would sort of carpool. | ||
| And then when I was a kid, it was like, they would kind of take care of me. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| And bring me to these places. | ||
| Right. | ||
| And you're in this fucking gymnasium and there's this other dude across from you and you're about to try to kick each other unconscious. | ||
| Right. | ||
| Like, this is wild. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| And I became obsessed with it because it was so insane. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| It was like to go from like regular life, you know, just being a kid. | ||
| I liked to draw. | ||
| I was an artist. | ||
| So all of a sudden I'm like traveling around the country fighting. | ||
| It was so nerve-wracking and so hard to do. | ||
| It was so challenging. | ||
| It was such a freakout to do it and I became so obsessed with it. | ||
| Did you have an instructor that really invested into you? | ||
| Yes, yeah. | ||
| I had several. | ||
| But this guy, Michael O'Malley, in particular, and this guy, Jae Hun Kim, who is the head instructor of the Institute. | ||
| And he was a very famous Taekwondo instructor. | ||
| I got very, very lucky. | ||
| When I went to that place in 1980, whatever it was, 81 or 82, when I first went there, it was one of the best schools in the world. | ||
| I fortunately walked in that door. | ||
| I could have walked into a bad karate school. | ||
| I would have known the difference. | ||
| I was 15. What the fuck would I know? | ||
| But I happened to go. | ||
| I was actually leaving a baseball game. | ||
| I told a story. | ||
| I'm sorry if people have read it before. | ||
| But I was going home and there's a long line to get to the T. Because everybody was leaving Fenway Park. | ||
| And so we walked by the school and I said, let's go and see what the fuck's going on up here. | ||
| And we walked up the stairs and as I was walking up the stairs I kept hearing this sound. | ||
| And it was this guy, John Lee, who became a mentor of mine. | ||
| Okay. | ||
| He was a national champion at the time, and he was training for the World Cup. | ||
| And I think he was 27 or 28 years old. | ||
| So he was in his absolute prime. | ||
| And I got to see this guy kick the bag, and I couldn't believe it. | ||
| It was the force that he was generating. | ||
| Well, that's you. | ||
| That's you now. | ||
| I mean, I've seen videos. | ||
| I haven't seen you training in person. | ||
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That's what I learned. | |
| I learned from him. | ||
| It's like one whack of your leg, and you've got some broken ribs. | ||
| Yeah, but I learned it from that guy. | ||
| I mean, I learned it from, I mean, he most certainly helped me many, many, many times. | ||
| But watching him, I learned it from. | ||
| I mean, I learned that that was possible. | ||
| Like, I'd never known that a person could do that. | ||
| Like, the amount of force. | ||
| I was like, that is insane. | ||
| So you were doing that, and you were tossing newspapers around the same time. | ||
| Yes. | ||
| So newspapers was your income source, but fighting was your passion and cost some money for travel or whatever. | ||
| It was a good way, once I got out of high school, it was a good way to generate some money while I was doing this crazy thing where I was trying to make the Olympic team for Taekwondo. | ||
| Really? | ||
| Okay. | ||
| Yeah, so I was competing. | ||
| I won the Massachusetts State Championship like four years in a row, and I was competing in the Nationals, and I couldn't win the Nationals. | ||
| I came close a couple of times and I got in the finals of the U.S. Cup with this guy, Kareem Jabbar, who was the national champion. | ||
| It was a very disputed, close decision that I thought I could have got. | ||
| So I was at that level. | ||
| I was like right close. | ||
| But unfortunately, then I started kickboxing. | ||
| And when I started kickboxing, immediately I realized how helpless I was against someone who had really good hands. | ||
| I was getting fucked up kickboxing. | ||
| And then I kind of lost my faith in Taekwondo. | ||
| Because I realized how limited it was because they don't punch to the face. | ||
| So you get the most amazing leg dexterity because you're primarily learning how to kick. | ||
| They have some of the best kicks, but you're so limited in your ability to defend your face from punches. | ||
| Because when punches and kicks are thrown together to your face, it makes things so much more complex. | ||
| And when I was learning that, I lost some of my faith in Daekwondo. | ||
| So I had a few kickboxing fights. | ||
| And then I was doing stand-up at the same time, and I knew I had to pick one or the other. | ||
| Where did stand-up come into that whole program? | ||
| How old were you when you started with that? | ||
| Well, I was thinking about it when I was like 19 or 20. Okay. | ||
| You wrote your own stuff? | ||
| Yeah, yeah. | ||
| Just like, it was horrible. | ||
| Right, yeah. | ||
| But you're the kind of guy that like, you put your balls out there and you won't mind getting punished for something you want to try. | ||
| Well, I was just curious. | ||
| Like, I'd seen... | ||
| This is what it was. | ||
| I have a very good friend to this day. | ||
| His name is Steve Graham. | ||
| He's a good buddy of mine. | ||
| And Steve, when I was 15, when I met him, he was an ophthalmologist. | ||
| And, like, he'd been on the U.S. ski team like a fucking wild man. | ||
| Just done a lot of stuff. | ||
| Like, super, super duper smart. | ||
| And, you know, he was, like, in his 30s, and I was, like, 15. And we used to train together all the time. | ||
| When we would go and fight in tournaments, I was the guy who made everybody laugh because everybody would be nervous. | ||
| We would be all scared because we're gonna go fight. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| Or when we're about to spar, everyone would be super nervous. | ||
| Sparring was scary. | ||
| Yeah, yeah, yeah. | ||
| And I was the guy who like... | ||
| You could cut up and crack jokes. | ||
| Because I realized that there was like tension in the room and then I could get attention from cracking that tension. | ||
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All right. | |
| I could get attention from like making everybody laugh. | ||
| Right. | ||
| I would do impressions of guys we knew having sex and just stupid shit. | ||
| And it was so dumb. | ||
| But Steve is the one who told me. | ||
| Steve and this other guy, Ed Shorter, was a friend of mine too. | ||
| He just said, you really should be Should do stand-up like you could do it. | ||
| I'm like dude you think I'm funny because you know me I'm like other people gonna think I'm an asshole like my sense of humor is so fucked up But so then I went to an open mic night and when you go to open mic night one of the things that's good about open mic nights is like if you compare yourself to like a Bill Burr or Dave Chappelle. | ||
| It'll blow your mind. | ||
| You can't imagine ever reaching that level. | ||
| But if you go to an open mic night, you realize, oh, these people are terrible. | ||
| Everybody's terrible when they first start. | ||
| That's funny. | ||
| Me included. | ||
| I was terrible. | ||
| And so when you're around these terrible comedians, you realize, oh, okay. | ||
| This is how it works. | ||
| And then when I was at an open mic night the first time, a couple of real top-level pros stopped by and did sets, like this guy Teddy Bergeron, who did The Tonight Show back in the day, and he had some substance abuse problems, but I'm telling you, in 1988, no one was better. | ||
| There was people that are at that level, but no one was. | ||
| He was So smooth, so polished, and his material was so interesting and funny. | ||
| And I remember I had done my stupid little set. | ||
| I barely got a few laughs, right? | ||
| And then I was like, maybe I could do this. | ||
| Maybe I could do this. | ||
| And then I went out and watched that guy. | ||
| I was like, I should just quit now. | ||
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He went up and just, it was so polished. | |
| Polished! | ||
| He was in such ease on stage. | ||
| But he's done it a thousand times. | ||
| Oh, a thousand times. | ||
| So this was when he was in his prime. | ||
| He had one of the best sets I've ever seen on a Tonight Show. | ||
| He was incredible. | ||
| But then he went off the rails. | ||
| He went off the rails and he just had some problems. | ||
| So did you learn how to deal with hecklers early on? | ||
| Oh yeah, you always have to learn how to deal with hecklers. | ||
| You're gonna learn. | ||
| Well, you know, you're gonna have some moments where you fall apart. | ||
| You're gonna have some moments where it works out great. | ||
| It's a long, bloody process. | ||
| I compare it to trying to build a mountain one layer of paint at a time. | ||
| Oh shit! | ||
| It takes so long! | ||
| It takes so long! | ||
| It's so brutal. | ||
| But to me, it was a way that I could exist in the world that wasn't a regular job. | ||
| I was, whatever it is, it's ADD or whatever the fuck I got. | ||
| I just couldn't sit still and I couldn't be involved in anything that didn't freak me out. | ||
| I only wanted to be involved in things that scared me. | ||
| So you were the original fear factor then. | ||
| They cast you for a reason in that deal. | ||
| They cast me against... | ||
| A couple of the producers didn't want to cast me because I was making fun of it. | ||
| I went in and when I did the audition for it, they wanted it to be scary. | ||
| Like, fear is not a factor for you. | ||
| They were interviewing sportscaster type dudes too. | ||
| And I went in there and I thought... | ||
| I had a deal with NBC. I think it was to do a sitcom. | ||
| Pretty sure it was. | ||
| And so I went in to talk to them and they said, we have this thing. | ||
| I was like, what are you doing? | ||
| And they're like, well, we want to present it to you. | ||
| So I go there and like, they're sick of dogs. | ||
| We're going to put you in a cage with a bunch of centipedes. | ||
| It was originally a show in Holland. | ||
| It was called Now or Neverland. | ||
| I think that was what it was called. | ||
| And so, this company bought it, and then they put it on TV in America, and they needed a host, and then, you know, they came to me. | ||
| And I was making so much fun, because I was high. | ||
| I showed up high. | ||
| I was like, I'm gonna have this meeting with all these Hollywood people. | ||
| I always get weirded out by those meetings. | ||
| I like to show up high. | ||
| Uh-huh. | ||
| Just to feel them out, you know? | ||
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Good. | |
| And I was just making fun of it. | ||
| Like, you're going to stick dogs on people on TV. That is funny. | ||
| So stupid. | ||
| I was like, how long before this gets canceled? | ||
| I was like making all these jokes about how ridiculous it is that you're going to stick dogs on people. | ||
| So you were doing the stand-up in Boston, and then what made you think to move to, like, did you go on the road up in the Northeast? | ||
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I moved to New York. | |
| I moved to New York first, and that was in the very early 90s. | ||
| Okay. | ||
| I met a manager who's still my manager to this day. | ||
| I was an open miker in Boston, and then he moved me out to New York. | ||
| Okay. | ||
| So I lived in New York for a few years, and then I got a development deal to do a sitcom, and then I came out to Hollywood. | ||
| Okay. | ||
| Yeah, but the whole time playing pool. | ||
| Yeah? | ||
| Like, you and I played pool before. | ||
| You played good pool, dude. | ||
| You played good pool. | ||
| I'm rusty, but you're a good motivator for me. | ||
| You know what you're doing. | ||
| Like, I watched you hit the ball. | ||
| You know what you're doing. | ||
| It was fun. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| Kind of bring back some memories. | ||
| You know how to play pool. | ||
| Like, some people just play pool. | ||
| They're just knocking balls around, but I'm watching you get out, and I'm like, okay, you know how to play pool. | ||
| It's complicated. | ||
| Yeah, we'll see. | ||
| It is complicated. | ||
| You got a tough table, man. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| Yeah, those tight pockets. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| Little snooker table. | ||
| Difficult shit. | ||
| Yeah, well, that's right. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| Yeah, what Kennedy say, we don't do these things because they're easy. | ||
| We do them because they're hard. | ||
| Do them because they're hard. | ||
| Hard. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| So when I moved to LA, I fucking hated it, but I could go to Hard Times. | ||
| And that was, to me, there was two places that were Mecca in LA. So those were like Comedy Club? | ||
| Okay. | ||
| No, no, no. | ||
| Comedy Store was the Mecca for stand-up, but Hard Times was the Mecca for pool. | ||
| Oh, really? | ||
| Oh, yeah, that's where Keith McCready came from. | ||
| Oh, yeah, yeah. | ||
| Hard Times was this place in Bellflower. | ||
| And you'd go down there, and I would compete in the Sunday tournament. | ||
| I mean, I never... | ||
| It came close to winning it, but I would get in it all the time and get my nut shot in. | ||
| But you could play Rodolfo Luat. | ||
| You could play Efren Reyes. | ||
| You could play Max Eberle. | ||
| You could play John Mora. | ||
| You could play just stone-cold killers in an open tournament. | ||
| You could play Efren Reyes. | ||
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Wow. | |
| It's just a random draw. | ||
| So you go in there, and there's a field of, I don't know how many players before it fills up. | ||
| It fills up every weekend. | ||
| And we would go there on Sunday. | ||
| You get there early. | ||
| I played Oscar Dominguez, or I played his dad Ernesto. | ||
| Ernesto Dominguez. | ||
| Killer. | ||
| This is like killer. | ||
| Mauro Paez. | ||
| These guys were killers. | ||
| And you would go there and watch literally the best pool in the world. | ||
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Wow. | |
| All in Bellflower, California. | ||
| And there was a lot of gambling matches. | ||
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Yeah, yeah, yeah. | |
| You could sweat. | ||
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Sure. | |
| It was awesome. | ||
| I loved that place. | ||
| So that was like one of the things that saved me. | ||
| That and going to... | ||
| There's a few other places that I went. | ||
| House of Billiards in Sherman Oaks is a great place. | ||
| We used to play pool there. | ||
| Hollywood Billiards in Hollywood was a good spot. | ||
| I played there, yeah. | ||
| Unfortunately, that went under. | ||
| So that kept me going. | ||
| Right. | ||
| Were you still doing MMA then? | ||
| Well, I was doing martial arts. | ||
| Yeah, I was doing jiu-jitsu. | ||
| Oh, that's right, martial arts. | ||
| Got it, got it. | ||
| Yeah, that was when I really got into jiu-jitsu. | ||
| I got into jiu-jitsu in, like, 96. Right. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| Wow. | ||
| Yeah, I was actually at the same gym that Vitor Belfort, when he was making his debut in the UFC, I was training at his gym. | ||
| Okay. | ||
| Because it was Carlson Gracie's Academy, which was in Hollywood, and I was learning from his coaches. | ||
| Okay. | ||
| It was crazy, like, to watch Vitor. | ||
| Now, how do you connect with UFC and Dana White? | ||
| Back then, so when Vitor was making his debut, Campbell McLaren... | ||
| So this was like late 90s? | ||
| 97. So Campbell McLaren, who was one of the producers of the UFC, was a good friend of my manager. | ||
| And they were just having a conversation. | ||
| And he said, hey, he was randomly talking to him about, I've got to hire a new guy to do interviews. | ||
| We need someone to do interviews. | ||
| And my manager said, Joe is obsessed. | ||
| He watches them all. | ||
| He's really obsessed with it. | ||
| Maybe he would do it. | ||
| And so they get us on the phone. | ||
| I'm like, fuck yeah, I'll do it. | ||
| And I'm like, you've got to take a propeller plane to Dothan, Alabama. | ||
| I'm like, I'm in. | ||
| Let's go. | ||
| And so next thing you know, I'm on these fucking puddle jumper planes flying to all these weird... | ||
| Because it was totally illegal in most states. | ||
| Yeah, this was like... | ||
| 97. Yeah, they had those... | ||
| Dana bought it from the guys that did the... | ||
| Bob Meyerowitz. | ||
| The whole thing in the bar where they beat the crap out of each in the parking lot. | ||
| This was before Dana owned it. | ||
| This was Bob Meyerowitz. | ||
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Oh, really? | |
| Yes. | ||
| I worked for SEG, which was the original company. | ||
| This was long before the Fertitta Brothers came along with Dana and all that. | ||
| That's how I got back into it. | ||
| I quit. | ||
| I did it for about a year and a half, maybe two years. | ||
| I did backstage interviews. | ||
| There was an event in Japan. | ||
| I'm like, I'm not going to Japan. | ||
| I don't have any time. | ||
| It literally was costing me money. | ||
| I loved doing it, but I could make more money doing a comedy club on the weekend than I could going- They weren't making any money, so how are they going to pay you any money, right? | ||
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Exactly. | |
| There was no money to be made. | ||
| There was no money for the fighters. | ||
| I mean, I wasn't getting screwed. | ||
| It was just that's all it was. | ||
| We would go to these half-filled high school auditoriums. | ||
| Because a lot of states were banning it and stuff like that back then? | ||
| Yeah, it was very hard to get sanctioned. | ||
| That's why we had to go to Dothan, Alabama. | ||
| It got banned in New York, actually. | ||
| My first event was supposed to be in New York, but they banned it in New York right before they did the event, and they moved the event very quickly, like overnight, to Dothan, Alabama. | ||
| Were the boxing promoters trying to shut it down? | ||
| Yes, 100%. | ||
| There's so much shenanigans that goes on. | ||
| There's unions. | ||
| If you're not paying them, they're not going to let you play. | ||
| That's how the UFC stayed out of New York State forever. | ||
| The UFC just got in New York legally. | ||
| God, how many years ago was it? | ||
| It wasn't that long. | ||
| Wow. | ||
| Like crazy recent. | ||
| Really? | ||
| Yeah, crazy recent. | ||
| It doesn't make any sense. | ||
| It was in every other state it was legal. | ||
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2015, 16, wasn't it? | |
| Somewhere around then, right? | ||
| Wow. | ||
| Let's see what the actual... | ||
| I mean, I never thought about the politics of it until we were just chatting, but... | ||
| Well, back then it was like, it was scary. | ||
| Like, what is this? | ||
| No one knew what it was. | ||
| You didn't have all these years and years of guys like Hoyce Gracie and George St. Pierre and Kamaru Usman. | ||
| We didn't have anything to draw from. | ||
| 2016, which is so crazy. | ||
| New York, the last state to approve it. | ||
| New York! | ||
| That's crazy. | ||
| Because they're dirty. | ||
| Politics. | ||
| Yeah, the guy who was holding it back, I believe he got arrested for corruption. | ||
| See if that's true. | ||
| Wow. | ||
| There was a senator that... | ||
| He got busted for some shenanigans, but he was part of the problem, holding it back. | ||
| But in the beginning, I could see why they would hold it back. | ||
| Like, you're watching these guys headbutt each other. | ||
| Right. | ||
| They could kick in the nuts. | ||
| Well, I remember just seeing all the blood and everything. | ||
| Crazy. | ||
| Remember, they used to do the foot stomping and all that? | ||
| Well, foot stomping's still legal. | ||
| Oh, they could do that? | ||
| Okay, okay. | ||
| But what you would see back then was, like, nut shots. | ||
| You were allowed to punch people in the nuts. | ||
| Oh, brutal. | ||
| I mean, straight up street fight. | ||
| There's a fight with Keith Hackney and Joe Saan, and Keith Hackney is on top of Joe Saan, and Joe Saan's like cranking on his neck, and Keith Hackney's just punched him in the nuts. | ||
| He ain't wearing a cup. | ||
| He's wearing a cup. | ||
| He's wearing a cup. | ||
| Yeah, but even so, whatever. | ||
| You're still getting punched in the nuts. | ||
| Even if you have a cup on, it hurts like hell. | ||
| Yeah, yeah. | ||
| So like back in those days, I kind of understand why someone who didn't understand what was going on would think this should be illegal. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| I totally get it. | ||
| Right. | ||
| And it was like they had to develop rules. | ||
| So they developed weight classes and then they developed rules. | ||
| But I was kind of already on the way out by then. | ||
| And so in 98-ish, 99, I quit. | ||
| Okay. | ||
| And then the UFC got purchased by Zufa. | ||
| Okay. | ||
| Okay. | ||
| And that was in like 2001 and I went to one of their first events. | ||
| Okay. | ||
| Vladimir Matyushenko fought Tito Ortiz and it was right after September 11th. | ||
| Okay. | ||
| And Tito Ortiz, they used to have these elaborate walk-ins with like lights and fire and shit. | ||
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Yeah. | |
| And Tito Ortiz is walking into the octagon with an American flag and the place goes wild. | ||
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Wow. | |
| Just wild. | ||
| That's cool. | ||
| Because it was like right after September 11th. | ||
| It was like, holy shit. | ||
| People needed a break from all of that serious stuff. | ||
| And during that fight, the pay-per-view went out and the people didn't get to see the last rounds of the main event. | ||
| It was a huge disaster. | ||
| The UFC had to give back who knows how much money because it was like their big event in Vegas and the pay-per-view fucked up. | ||
| So Dana bought it yet at this point? | ||
| It was the Zufa, which was the Fertitta Brothers and Dana. | ||
| They're the organization that bought it. | ||
| So the Fertitta Brothers bought it, and then Dana was running it, and this was the very early stages. | ||
| And this was, you know, there was no TV to speak of that was showing the UFC. They had to get this deal on Spike TV to put it on television. | ||
| That was like years in. | ||
| So this is like 2005. So we're like four years later. | ||
| These guys are hemorrhaging money trying to make this thing happen. | ||
| And when that was going on, nobody took it seriously. | ||
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Everybody thought it was just like, Isn't that when they came up with the idea of Ultimate Fighter? | |
| Is that kind of what turned the corner for them? | ||
| They paid for everything. | ||
| They paid to put the show on. | ||
| I think they even bought out the ads. | ||
| And they took care of the whole thing. | ||
| They put it on television. | ||
| It was like a Hail Mary. | ||
| And it was a fucking touchdown. | ||
| Wow. | ||
| And Stefan Bonner, rest in peace, he just died. | ||
| And Forrest Griffin had the most insane fight in the finals of the Ultimate Fighter. | ||
| Wow. | ||
| And people were just calling friends up. | ||
| You gotta watch this. | ||
| This is insane because the viewership skyrockets during the fight. | ||
| Yeah, sure. | ||
| Because it's so wild. | ||
| Right. | ||
| And that fight made the UFC. That fight made the sport. | ||
| Really? | ||
| Because then people were like, what is this? | ||
| Okay. | ||
| And then they put on another event. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| And the other event got fucking huge. | ||
| And then Chuck Liddell came onto the scene. | ||
| Yes. | ||
| And when Chuck Liddell was the champion, Chuck Liddell was so fucking terrifying. | ||
| He was this do-or-die berserker. | ||
| He would just come at you, just swinging bombs, take one on the chin, knock dudes out. | ||
| His fights were wild. | ||
| He didn't give a shit. | ||
| He was the real reason why the UFC became uber popular, because you would watch The Ultimate Fighter, it was a wild fight, a great fight, but then you need a destroyer. | ||
| Right. | ||
| You need a destroyer, and that destroyer was Chuck Liddell. | ||
| And for the run where he was at the top, where Chuck Liddell was just murking people. | ||
| So he was kind of like the Michael Jordan in that he basically took the sport to another level? | ||
| Well, you know, he was an exceptional champion. | ||
| Okay. | ||
| But I wouldn't say he was the Michael Jordan. | ||
| Okay, okay, fair enough. | ||
| He had the most fan-friendly style you could ever imagine. | ||
| He would just come after dudes and smash people. | ||
| Like, he was never trying to win decisions. | ||
| Chuck Liddell was trying to send you into the dream world. | ||
| Okay. | ||
| And that became the UFC. So he was an entertainer. | ||
| He was very entertainer. | ||
| He was Maximus the... | ||
| Yes. | ||
| When he would win, he would throw his arms back like this. | ||
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| It was crazy! | ||
| See if you get a video of Chuck Liddell knocking someone out and then celebrating, because it was like this iconic, primal rage celebration. | ||
| You can only fight like that for so long. | ||
| Here's the reality of physical damage on the body and the kind of sparring that you have to do to fight like that. | ||
| But when he did it, my God, it was glorious. | ||
| His fights, when he knocked out Tito Ortiz, like, oh my God, he was a monster. | ||
| He was a monster. | ||
| He was just smashing people, and he was a really good wrestler, too, so good luck taking him down. | ||
| Wow. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| So this is, I mean, this is Chuck, with the fucking mohawk. | ||
| I mean, look at this fucking savage, dude. | ||
| Oh my God. | ||
| Look at this, look at this. | ||
| Look at him. | ||
| Look at the celebration. | ||
| Bro, I'm telling you, when Chuck Liddell was in his prime, he was one of the most terrifying fucking human beings that's ever walked the face of the earth. | ||
| Wow. | ||
| You can't do this for that long. | ||
| There's only so many years a man can do this for like this. | ||
| But my God, Chuck Liddell was so fucking entertaining. | ||
| He was a destroyer, man. | ||
| He would just come at you. | ||
| I mean, look at this shit. | ||
| He's so terrifying looking, tattooing his head, mohawk, built like a brick shithouse, just throwing fucking hammers. | ||
| Who's the destroyer? | ||
| Who's the up-and-coming destroyer today? | ||
| Oh, did you see that Babalu knockout? | ||
| Back that up again. | ||
| This one was insane. | ||
| Oh, with the leg? | ||
| Dude, he would do that to everybody. | ||
| He was just smashing people. | ||
| Wow. | ||
| Yeah, he didn't know what defense is. | ||
| He's pure offense all the time. | ||
| Well, he had defense, but he didn't. | ||
| He just fucking threw caution to the wind, man. | ||
| The guy just came after people, and he was so mean. | ||
| But that also made the UFC because that guy being at, that was the figurehead. | ||
| That was the big guy. | ||
| He was the face of the company because he was the guy that like, if you, the casual fan, when you talk to him, like, have you seen the Chuck Liddell fight? | ||
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| You're going to see the Chuck Liddell fight. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| So that like, that also took the sport to the next level. | ||
| So from throwing newspapers, to stand-up, to pool, to New York, then Hollywood, UFC interviews, what motivated you for podcasts? | ||
| You were so far ahead of your time on that. | ||
| Well, I wasn't really. | ||
| There was other people that were doing it at the same time. | ||
| Like Adam Kroll already had a podcast. | ||
| Mark Maron already had a podcast. | ||
| There was quite a few people that were doing it. | ||
| Well, maybe your style just stuck and grew. | ||
| Well, it's just, I think, I got into it because of radio, really. | ||
| Okay. | ||
| I was doing, like, Opie and Anthony's show, mostly. | ||
| Okay. | ||
| So you did radio for a while, then? | ||
| Oh, yeah, everybody did. | ||
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| And when you would do radio in the morning, like, the Opie and Anthony show in particular, you'd go there and you would hang out with comics. | ||
| So it was all just us shooting the shit, having a great time. | ||
| And when I would leave there, I'd go, God, that's so fun. | ||
| I love doing that. | ||
| I wish I could do that all the time. | ||
| And Anthony Cumia, who was Anthony from Opie and Anthony, he built a studio in his basement of his house in Long Island. | ||
| And he used to do a show called Live from the Compound. | ||
| Okay. | ||
| And he had like a green screen behind him. | ||
| He played karaoke with a machine gun. | ||
| He was always hammered. | ||
| It was hilarious, but he would just stream it on the internet. | ||
| And I was like, that looks like so much fun. | ||
| Maybe I should start doing something like that. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| And so then I went to Tom Green's house. | ||
| And Tom Green, he had this crazy setup. | ||
| I might have went to Tom Green's house before Anthony had his thing. | ||
| In the same time. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| But Tom Green had, like, the Tom Green show that he was doing from his house. | ||
| So he's doing, like, a talk show, and he set up his whole house like a television studio that's on the internet. | ||
| So we had all these cables running to a server... | ||
| Excuse me, a server room. | ||
| And, um... | ||
| So I thought, wow, maybe I should do something like that. | ||
| There's something to doing something on the internet. | ||
| Maybe a lot of people aren't going to see it, but it'll be fun. | ||
| Yeah, sounds like your motivator was for fun, not trying to grow some big audience or make a bunch of money, at least to start with. | ||
| I do it the exact same way now as I've always done it. | ||
| I just do it all myself in terms of who I want to have on. | ||
| I decide what day they're coming on and how to do it. | ||
| And I only talk to people that I'm interested in talking to. | ||
| I mean, the depth of what—like, you could have, like, your own Rogan encyclopedia books, but all these people that come on that a lot of people never heard of and have all these interesting facts and opinions, and I find it fascinating. | ||
| Well, you definitely could learn some stuff. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| You know, you definitely—I mean, you could talk to some— I've had this, like, unexpected education where I get to talk to all these fascinating people and pick their brain. | ||
| And, you know, it's like you don't really get a chance to talk to people just like this. | ||
| Like, just you and me looking at each other eye to eye, no phones, no people around, just for a conversation. | ||
| That's it. | ||
| That's all I'm trying to do. | ||
| And to be able to do this, like, all the time, it just... | ||
| It's a real pleasure. | ||
| It's very fortunate. | ||
| It just seems like it's your own personal curiosity on different things that you like or that you're interested in, whereas it seems like you flip on TV, the people that get interviewed, it's all by design to some degree. | ||
| You've got the right PR firm, the right publicist. | ||
| There's also with those things, the problem is, you know, just like with Fear Factor, like you have to hire somebody. | ||
| You have to hire a host. | ||
| Oh, okay. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| You know, so if it's Fox News or if it's CNN, they have to hire hosts. | ||
| Right. | ||
| And sometimes those people are annoying, you know, and sometimes they're not annoying when you hire them and then become annoying as they get more popular and famous. | ||
| And then you got to fire them. | ||
| So like when you do this, you have to prep much, you get on the internet, you guys do a little bit of research for you, or you just fucking roll in and just start thinking and talking? | ||
| Well, I do have a guy, my friend Matt Staggs, who does some research for me on some things. | ||
| He'll send me some briefings or some videos or some stuff I should watch. | ||
| And then, you know, with people that have books, I like to, especially if it's something like complicated, I like to listen to the book on audio. | ||
| So I'll listen in the sauna, I'll listen when I'm driving, I'll get a sense of what they're doing. | ||
| But, and then there's some subjects that I don't have, like with you, it's like, we're gonna talk cars, you know? | ||
| Yeah, yeah. | ||
| I just have, I'm just curious. | ||
| Well, it's just been very fascinating for me. | ||
| I mean, we've known each other for a couple, ever since you got to Texas, two and a half years ago? | ||
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| Something like that. | ||
| Just, you know, the more I get to know you, like... | ||
| You ruined me with that fucking Raptor. | ||
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Well, yeah. | |
| That's what we do, right? | ||
| Keep them coming back, right? | ||
| That thing would ruin me. | ||
| I was like, this is crazy. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| What have you done? | ||
| Yeah, yeah. | ||
| Have you, by the way, on, have you experienced the Raptor R yet? | ||
| I have not. | ||
| It looks amazing. | ||
| I'm a Ford fan. | ||
| They're expensive. | ||
| We're working on a thousand horsepower package for Velociraptor 1000, so it would compete with the Mammoth. | ||
| I'll keep you posted on that. | ||
| You know what I really miss about the Raptor? | ||
| The visibility. | ||
| You can see on the side mirrors way better. | ||
| The TRX is rough. | ||
| The TRX is rough. | ||
| The Ford's got the aluminum body and chassis. | ||
| I mean, I think both trucks were a hoot. | ||
| Oh, no, I love the TRX. It's just the visibility. | ||
| That's the only issue I have with it. | ||
| It's an amazing truck. | ||
| I fucking love it. | ||
| I love what Dodge did, and I really love what you did, too, what Dodge did. | ||
| The extra power. | ||
| They gave us a good platform. | ||
| And the brake upgrade package that you put on it. | ||
| It's a big difference. | ||
| Big difference. | ||
| It's fucking magical. | ||
| I love that thing. | ||
| But the visibility from the Raptor was way better. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| Like design with the F-150 where they have it. | ||
| There it is. | ||
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| Look at that. | ||
| And so that's got the supercharged 5.2 liter V8 that's in the GT500. And we should have our prototype up and running soon. | ||
| I like the name better too. | ||
| I have a problem with the name Mammoth. | ||
| Okay. | ||
| I love the truck but I got a problem. | ||
| Well tell me. | ||
| Because it used to be a Tyrannosaurus Rex and you changed it into a lesser animal. | ||
| Yeah, I guess a T-Rex could eat a woolly mammoth. | ||
| I never thought about it that way. | ||
| I wish we talked. | ||
| Guess what? | ||
| Next time we're doing a branding exercise, you'll be the consultant that I could never afford to hire. | ||
| I'll just do it for free, but you can't have a dinosaur. | ||
| The whole reason why it's a TRX is because it kills the raptor. | ||
| Right. | ||
| Of little bitch-ass velociraptors fucking with the Tyrannosaurus Rex. | ||
| It's over. | ||
| So that's the whole idea. | ||
| And then you turn it into something that people kill with sticks. | ||
| Yeah, so what? | ||
| People let them out with sticks. | ||
| Yeah, pretty much. | ||
| That's funny. | ||
| And then probably the asteroid did it too. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| But other than that, I love it. | ||
| I told you I saw one in Vegas. | ||
| It was orange. | ||
| Like a matte orange. | ||
| I was like, oh, that looks sick. | ||
| I never thought I wanted to drive an orange car in my life until I saw that. | ||
| They're hard to get, but we can get them. | ||
| They got yellow now, too. | ||
| Do they have yellow? | ||
| Yeah, called Rampage Yellow. | ||
| My friend Tony has a yellow C8 Corvette. | ||
| Tony Hinchcliffe? | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| He has one with yellow with black stripes. | ||
| It's fucking awesome. | ||
| I was like, I never thought I'd like a yellow car. | ||
| Yeah, we actually just came out with a 700 horsepower supercharge package for the C8. We've only been working on it for almost three years, but just finished it up a few months ago. | ||
| How much better is the handling on the Z06 with the wider body and the wider tires? | ||
| Yeah, I mean, the Z06 is lighter. | ||
| It's got aero, carbon brakes, carbon wheels are options. | ||
| I've only driven... | ||
| So our chief development driver was with GM for 38 years. | ||
| His name's John Heinrich. | ||
| We call him Heinrocket. | ||
| He's our chief engineer and development driver for the Venom F5. And so he just got his new Z06, C806, with the Z07 package. | ||
| So you've got the Cup 2 Michelin tires and the carbon splitter in rear wing. | ||
| And I just drove it on the road. | ||
| But I think if you took him to Coda, both bone stock, I'm guessing you're 10, 12 seconds a lap difference. | ||
| I mean, just massive... | ||
| If you drag race, of course, the Z06 is going to win by, you know, the quarter mile would probably win by five or six car lengths. | ||
| But the problem with the Z06 now is they've been having supply chain issues. | ||
| I've got an early one on order, but I think the car's been out for nine months, and there's less than 100 with the Z07 package on the road. | ||
| So, cool car. | ||
| You know, I hope to get mine and a lot of bang for the buck. | ||
| I think that that would... | ||
| I almost liken the new C8 Corvette almost in any form. | ||
| Well, the Z06 to kind of like the 458 Ferrari is kind of where it was. | ||
| Do you think it's possible to make a car like a Corvette with entirely American parts and American labor? | ||
| Entirely. | ||
| Look, American OEMs can do whatever they want to do. | ||
| I think what Chevrolet's magic has been with the Corvette is to deliver that much value and that nice of a car in the volumes that they do and at the price point that they do. | ||
| It's crazy. | ||
| When you think about how much that car costs and the capability of it, just the bone stock Stingray. | ||
| Yeah, I mean, I'm sure the Z06 is out now. | ||
| Likely the next iteration that comes from Chevy is the ZR1, probably 850 horsepower, twin turbo. | ||
| So it's like a twin turbo version of the 5.5 liter dual overhead cam motor in this current Z06. That car is going to be $150,000, $170,000. | ||
| So that car will be as fast or faster than a McLaren or Ferrari that costs two or three times the money. | ||
| So they've Their trick is they know how to deliver great value. | ||
| Now, we've got a neat niche where we can build our own car from the ground up. | ||
| It's all carbon fiber. | ||
| It's all completely bespoke. | ||
| It's American design and American build. | ||
| But that car is $2 million to $3 million a pop. | ||
| GM are the masters of being able to scale it in masses so average people or somewhat average working folks can afford to buy them. | ||
| Yeah, when you're in that car, you're like, what does this cost? | ||
| This car's ridiculous. | ||
| Well, the sticker on them, like my friend Hein Rockets, I think he paid $160. | ||
| You know, you try to find one on the street that you can buy. | ||
| You mean a Z06? A Z06. I was talking about the Venom. | ||
| Oh, I'm sorry. | ||
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| You're getting that thing. | ||
| You're like, how much does this cost? | ||
| Yeah, yeah. | ||
| But look, the Venom F5, what's cool about that is I'm 60. Maybe I'm around another 25 years. | ||
| Maybe I'm not. | ||
| I don't know. | ||
| But I think I would like to see, you know, I'd like to have ultimately when we're all done with production, I'd love for each one of my five kids to have one if I'm able to do that. | ||
| Anyway, I'd love to see our grandkids sell it at Barrett-Jack's or RM Auctions at some point down the road for 4 or 5X. Like a McLaren F1, it'd be $20 million someday. | ||
| I respect that you can drive that on the street. | ||
| I respect that you can drive it. | ||
| You really should drive that only on track. | ||
| I mean, it's like when you're in it, you're like, yeah. | ||
| Yeah, well, even like when we're driving, if you still have your Tessa Platt, I drove mine up here, you know, the performance that other thing's capable of, you should not use on the street. | ||
| You know, sometimes there might be a place where, you know, you could go out and just have fun with yourself or your buddy, but yeah, same thing. | ||
| I mean, the F5, you know, go... | ||
| Forget about 0-60. | ||
| 0-60 is a metric from 60 years ago. | ||
| Let's talk about 0-200. | ||
| It'll go 0-200 miles an hour in 10 seconds. | ||
| A hair under 10 seconds. | ||
| It's as fast as or maybe a tiny bit faster from 0-200 miles an hour as compared to a modern Formula 1 car. | ||
| Jesus Christ. | ||
| Power to weight ratio wise. | ||
| But it's built in America. | ||
| Our guys just 100 miles down the road build them from here and I think they'll be very collectible someday. | ||
| So we'll see. | ||
| How many are you going to make? | ||
| So we built 24 Venema 5 Coupes. | ||
| Those are all sold out. | ||
| We're now producing the Roadster and the Revolution. | ||
| The Roadster, open top, go out on a sunny day, have fun. | ||
| The Revolution is more track-focused. | ||
| Now it's like our GT3 RS. It's a track-focused car, but it's still road legal, has AC and all the comforts that you would have as Apple CarPlay. | ||
| More track-focused than that car? | ||
| No, that is the track focus version. | ||
| I was like, what? | ||
| No. | ||
| I'm like, how? | ||
| Yeah, so we're doing 24 of those. | ||
| So we're going to build all in about less than 100 cars, 99 cars. | ||
| I think right now we're, like I said, 36, 37 orders. | ||
| And anyway, the cars- How long did it take you to build one of those? | ||
| 12 to 15 months. | ||
| And is it... | ||
| How much of it is carbon fiber? | ||
| 100%. | ||
| 100%? | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| I mean, all the body work, all the chassis is all carbon. | ||
| Everything. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| There's some aluminum and some steel substructure, but everything's carbon. | ||
| Wow. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| Yeah, there it is. | ||
| That's the roadster. | ||
| That one, that particular, the blue car, belongs to a guy named Dave Linegar. | ||
| You want to talk about a wild man. | ||
| Let me see what the side image looks like, what it looks like with the real estate. | ||
| Wow, that's pretty. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| Linegar founded Remax Real Estate way back when. | ||
| Anyway, that's his car. | ||
| That's my head of design, Nathan Malinick. | ||
| But this is one of these deals to where if I knew back then what I knew today, I don't know if I would have done it. | ||
| Maybe I'm a little bit like you walking into the dojo. | ||
| You ever see those gifts? | ||
| How pretty that is. | ||
| You ever see the gifts where the guys have the telephone pole and they're busting somebody in the balls with it? | ||
| I didn't know what I was biting off when I went down this road, but when I started in 2013, it was just kind of an idea and a sketch, and then I got interested in it, and then we built the design model. | ||
| Shell helped us build a design model. | ||
| We unveiled it at Seaman Vegas in 2017, and then I had orders, and I'm like, now I've got orders. | ||
| I've got a design, but I've got to engineer this thing. | ||
| Dude, that thing looks so good. | ||
| It's such a beautiful car. | ||
| That Roadster one, that blue one? | ||
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| Oh my God, that's so beautiful. | ||
| Well, and the sound, what did you think of the sound when we're just out here ripping down the road? | ||
| It's very rowdy. | ||
| Yeah, it's very raw. | ||
| So it's that 6.6 liter twin-turbo V8, pushrod V8. We've nicknamed the engine Fury. | ||
| So ask me why we named the engine Fury. | ||
| Why? | ||
| No journalist has ever asked me this question in the automotive world, so... | ||
| We named it Fury because the car is designed to compete against the best from Europe. | ||
| So Bugatti, Aston Martin, Ferrari, Gordon Murray. | ||
| And so one time we were developing the engine and I think our target was 1,600 horsepower and we managed to get a little over 1,800 horsepower. | ||
| And I'm watching reruns on TV with my wife. | ||
| My wife's asleep. | ||
| And it was a Brad Pitt movie, Fury. | ||
| So it's those scrappy tank guys. | ||
| They're over in Germany. | ||
| And their tank's all busted down. | ||
| And then here comes 200 or 300 Germans. | ||
| And they basically fought them to the death. | ||
| You know, like scrappy Americans that they were. | ||
| So I thought, I'm going to fucking name my engine Fury. | ||
| Because it's designed to go over and fucking beat the Germans. | ||
| Scrappy American. | ||
| We'll see. | ||
| We haven't done it yet. | ||
| But we're working on it. | ||
| I love it. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| So is that a car that you could enter into races? | ||
| Like, would you consider racing that thing? | ||
| So we've had customers ask us, would we be interested in building a dedicated race car? | ||
| And it's something we haven't made a decision on, but the answer I lean towards, you know, generally, you want to build a faster car? | ||
| Well, hell yeah. | ||
| If somebody wants to buy it, I'll build it. | ||
| But then the question becomes, we have to kind of go two directions. | ||
| Do we want to just build a fun, like something, take it to the Cirque of the Americas that our customer can go out and have fun with? | ||
| Or do you want to conform to race series? | ||
| All of a sudden, if you're in race series, if you're in Le Mans, you know, something like a World Endurance Championship, you have to conform to all kinds of rules. | ||
| I'm not a big rule guy. | ||
| I'd rather just kind of build my car, do I kick ass. | ||
| But I think there is probably some demand to have a dedicated track car where you've got a full road cage, All the safety equipment, the Halon fire extinguishing system, and everything else that you would expect. | ||
| But right now, like I said, we're building. | ||
| The coups are sold out. | ||
| We're completing the remaining run of those. | ||
| Yeah, there's a revolution right there. | ||
| Jesus Christ, look at that. | ||
| Yeah, that belongs to a guy. | ||
| We actually went to the same Jesuit high school back in the late 70s. | ||
| He was a senior, and I was a freshman. | ||
| And we never knew each other, but when he ordered the car, I found out he was from Kansas City and went to Rockhurst. | ||
| And he has his own private test track. | ||
| Just up outside of Kansas City. | ||
| That's hilarious. | ||
| Yeah, you're just driving through the country and you see this fence with like, you know, privacy. | ||
| And on the other side of it, it's this gentleman's 3.4 mile private racetrack that we get to test at. | ||
| That's when you know you're really balling. | ||
| He's balling pretty good. | ||
| You get your own racetrack. | ||
| He's done all right. | ||
| Oil and gas guy and smart guy and been a really, really great client, so... | ||
| I used to think that when I would watch Top Gear, watch the Stig roll around the track, I'm like, they have their own track. | ||
| Well, yeah, so Top Gear tests on an old runway southwest of London, and it's called Dunsfold. | ||
| So they ran it, so they have their own, but I've been there before. | ||
| I was actually, I brought Steven Tyler over there like 10 years ago to be interviewed by Jeremy Clarkson and those guys. | ||
| So he was a client. | ||
| We built a Venom GT for him. | ||
| And so we're hanging out. | ||
| And I got to see him go out and do his little celebrity lap around the truck. | ||
| You know, if you're ever over there and you want to do a celebrity, the star and the reasonably priced car, I can connect you with those guys. | ||
| They're great. | ||
| Oh, that's hilarious. | ||
| Yeah, it's fun. | ||
| But now you've got Chris Harris and you've got Clarkson and Hammond and May. | ||
| They moved on to Amazon. | ||
| Are they still doing it? | ||
| Did they stop doing it on Amazon? | ||
| I was in London a couple weeks ago and I saw Richard Hammond. | ||
| What's the Amazon show called again? | ||
| The Grand Tour. | ||
| Right. | ||
| The Grand Tour. | ||
| And so Clarkson's kind of a wild, bombastic guy. | ||
| He started a show about farming. | ||
| He's got a farm out in the country. | ||
| And I think that's really kind of taken off. | ||
| So I think that's his new gig. | ||
| But I think they still do a season a year. | ||
| And good entertainment. | ||
| Good proper car stuff. | ||
| Yeah, they're fun. | ||
| He's a fun dude. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| What did he punch a producer? | ||
| They pulled the show up? | ||
| Well, I know a little bit about that. | ||
| So we had a Velociraptor truck that we were up in Canada with these guys. | ||
| So this has been back into 2014. And so I'm working with the producers and they're like, you know, when you're around the talent, don't talk to them. | ||
| Don't spend time around them. | ||
| I'm like, I'm around famous people more than these guys. | ||
| a lot more famous. | ||
| I mean, I don't care that they're a big deal. | ||
| So anyway, so the producer's kind of being a dick. | ||
| And so we show up with these guys, and then we're like, provide the vehicle, and they're going to go cross country through Canada and through the mountains and do all this crazy shit. | ||
| And then they're going to go up on the mountain, they're going to rescue Richard Hammond, who's at the top of the mountain, and he's got one of these Breitling watches where you pull out the little cord, and it tells the satellite that you're stranded, so it gives your coordinates to get rescued. | ||
| Anyway, so now the producers are saying, well, you know, you can't go up on the mountain while they're filming. | ||
| I'm like, okay, but listen to this. | ||
| I'm going to go watch football. | ||
| It's the playoffs. | ||
| I'm going to go watch football. | ||
| And if something breaks and you need us to help you, we're not coming. | ||
| They're like, oh, then they change their tune. | ||
| Like, okay, we'll come with us. | ||
| And finally, it all turns out fine. | ||
| Well, that producer, I won't say his name, but that producer that was being a massive dick, and maybe he was just doing his job, like two weeks later, they're somewhere else in there in England, and Jeremy gets a little bit of a temper, and these guys work long hours, and maybe they hadn't eaten, and the producer guy was fucking with him, and Jeremy fucking whacked the guy, and I'm like, I wanted to fucking punch that guy a couple times too. | ||
| But I can't do that, and I don't want to get arrested in Canada. | ||
| Anyway. | ||
| Yeah, so they canceled the show. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| And didn't Jeremy and him make up? | ||
| But they're still like- You know, I'm sure that's all water under the bridge. | ||
| But Jeremy- So Jeremy, Richard Hammond, and James May were all very tied. | ||
| I've spent time around them. | ||
| And then the other guy that's behind the scenes but just so talented, his name is Andy Willman. | ||
| He was the producer when they were on BBC. Now he's the producer. | ||
| But when Steven Tyler was being interviewed, you like this from your comedy part of your brain, when Steven was being interviewed by Jeremy, I noticed that the interview went on for like twice as long as it probably should have. | ||
| I get claustrophobic, so I don't like being in tight crowds, so I'm kind of hanging towards the back of the crowd that they're filming all this live, and then they aired it later, but they're filming in front of a live audience, and here this guy that looks like he's a homeless dude, wearing a t-shirt, looks like he hadn't showered in about a week, he's standing there making notes. | ||
| And I realized I was Andy Willman, the producer of the show. | ||
| And so what Jeremy's doing, he's telling all these jokes and asking these questions. | ||
| And Andy is using the live audience as his focus group. | ||
| Oh, they laughed at this. | ||
| Oh, I don't think this is as funny. | ||
| And that's how they edit it before it gets transmitted to the rest of the UK and the world. | ||
| Interesting. | ||
| I thought, that is so clever. | ||
| That is so smart. | ||
| And I don't know if that, you know, comedians or entertainers kind of, but, you know, you would think to some degree you want to improve your craft, but he's got a quick turnaround time, so, like, he's got another show he's got to do the following week, so he's just like, Jeremy's doing all this stuff, and sometimes they laugh and sometimes they wouldn't, but this guy was definitely paying attention. | ||
| That show, Top Gear, did Tesla dirty. | ||
| Yeah, they did. | ||
| They did Tesla dirty. | ||
| They did all kinds of crooked shit. | ||
| But they did Tesla dirty. | ||
| They pretended the car ran out of batteries. | ||
| Oh, yeah. | ||
| The car didn't. | ||
| So they're pushing the car. | ||
| And I think they had a lawsuit about that, correct? | ||
| They probably did. | ||
| But that goes back to what we were talking about earlier. | ||
| Find that out, Jamie. | ||
| It just seems like... | ||
| That was dirty. | ||
| It seems like everybody has an agenda. | ||
| So what was the agenda behind that? | ||
| Was that just the... | ||
| Well, they wanted to create an entertaining storyline. | ||
| They do. | ||
| They'll throw your ass under the bus in a heartbeat. | ||
| That was what it is. | ||
| Tesla attempted to sue the BBC for libel in March of 2011. The courts ruled in favor of the BBC, saying that no viewer of the show would be likely to reasonably compare the Roadster's performance on the show with its performance in the real world. | ||
| That doesn't make any sense. | ||
| Yeah, no. | ||
| They got railroaded. | ||
| British court sides with British corporation that's owned by the British government against American company. | ||
| Oops. | ||
| Yeah, they got railroaded. | ||
| Yeah, they did. | ||
| Because the idea that watching this thing break down wouldn't influence you to not get one. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| These people are testing it, and it breaks down. | ||
| Look, those guys, good or bad... | ||
| We should just say what happened. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| While we're saying it. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| Because their car didn't really break down. | ||
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| They faked it. | ||
| No, they faked it. | ||
| They faked it. | ||
| And they did it just to sort of make a point about what could happen with electric cars, but it's a fake point. | ||
| It was a manufactured deal, to your point, but they just want eyeballs. | ||
| Well, they definitely did that. | ||
| The more controversial, one time when Jeremy was driving this truck and they were like, what would happen if we ran into a brick wall? | ||
| He ended up going to the hospital and getting broken ribs and whatever else. | ||
| Just shoot the video of this guy. | ||
| So they'll do anything. | ||
| Who ran into a brick wall? | ||
| Jeremy Clarkson. | ||
| He did? | ||
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With a truck? | |
| Yeah, it's on YouTube. | ||
| And he went to the hospital? | ||
| Yeah, they got a video camera. | ||
| They got a GoPro inside. | ||
| He went to the hospital? | ||
| Yeah, he went to the hospital from that. | ||
| Why would you do that? | ||
| As if he died. | ||
| These guys were the masters of jumping the shark season after season after season. | ||
| You heard about the deal when they went to Argentina? | ||
| Let's go one step at a time. | ||
| Let me see the truck slamming into the wall before we get to Argentina. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| Because I just can't believe that they would just drive. | ||
| Clarkson, Top Gear, crash. | ||
| Full acceleration? | ||
| Truck crash. | ||
| No, each guy had to do it, and they're all wearing their safety equipment. | ||
| It might have been 20 miles an hour. | ||
| I mean, just run as fast as you can into that wood wall over there, and it's going to fucking hurt, you know? | ||
| So... | ||
| Yeah, I would think you could, legitimately, you could die. | ||
| Oh, yeah. | ||
| Oh, it's one of these trucks? | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| Oh, boy. | ||
| Yeah, look at this. | ||
| He's going pretty good. | ||
| Bro, he's going very fast. | ||
| That is so crazy. | ||
| So, do you think these guys give a fuck about hurting Elon and his company? | ||
| That is so crazy. | ||
| They want views. | ||
| Oh my god, bro. | ||
| I mean, oh shit. | ||
| He's lucky he has teeth. | ||
| He's lucky he has a neck. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| Like his neck's got to be fucked up from that. | ||
| Yeah, we did a thing with them at Grand Tour in Detroit about five years ago and, you know, maybe he's got a good chiropractor. | ||
| It looks like he's healed up, but man, that's pretty gnarly. | ||
| That seems like it could cause permanent damage. | ||
| And so they would do stuff like that. | ||
| Well, and that even happened recently. | ||
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| Caused slip discs. | ||
| Worst injury he suffered on the show. | ||
| Another one of their guys in the current crew, I forget his name, maybe Pato O'Rourke, but anyway, he had a bad car crash. | ||
| They canceled the whole season. | ||
| Really? | ||
| The rest of the season. | ||
| Yeah, and again, nobody really knows the details. | ||
| They're not showing anything, but I hear it was pretty painful. | ||
| Yeah, so... | ||
| When you watch that image, he reaches for his neck immediately, and you see how his head virally snaps. | ||
| Yeah, I don't know how it doesn't break your neck. | ||
| Stuff like that. | ||
| When we were in Canada with the crew, we were hanging out with the crew. | ||
| So they went down to Canada. | ||
| They went to Argentina, excuse me. | ||
| The gummy bears kicking in, I suppose. | ||
| They're in Argentina, and so one of the cars, they rode on the car. | ||
| They're doing this cross-country thing. | ||
| They're kind of poking fun at the Argentinians when they lost the Falcon War back in the 80s to the Brits. | ||
| And the story was that these guys were getting chased out of the country like people were looking for them. | ||
| If they found them, they were going to freaking beat their ass pretty hard or worse. | ||
| And so I'm talking to the crew and, you know, the presenters were able to get to Buenos Aires and were able to get out of the country. | ||
| But the crew was still there. | ||
| And people are like, they're calling the embassy. | ||
| They're like, hey, you know, what can we do? | ||
| The fucking locals are trying to get us. | ||
| And so I guess the presenters, again, this is what I'm hearing from the crew when we were in Canada with our Velociraptor, is that, you know, the presenters got out. | ||
| The crew were stuck fearing for their lives, like hiding out in places, trying to make it to the airport to get home. | ||
| And then so when the whole shit hit the fan, the presenters in England felt bad for him. | ||
| So they bought them all first class tickets or business class for him from Argentina back to the UK. | ||
| But then the question becomes kind of given the pattern of wanting to further jump the shark. | ||
| And look, if I climb a mountain, I want to climb the next mountain. | ||
| So I get that to some degree. | ||
| But did these guys actually like try to stir up the locals by putting shit on their car to fuck with them? | ||
| Yeah, just for notoriety. | ||
| Yeah, that's the show. | ||
| I would think so. | ||
| 100%. | ||
| Why else would you do it? | ||
| Because you're trying to be nice? | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| I don't know if they knew it was going to go as far, but it's kind of a shitty deal where they skated out of there, and their crew was literally afraid they were going to get fucking beat to death. | ||
| Imagine if they did. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| And I'm hearing this from the crew, and this auto had gone down like 30 days before. | ||
| Jesus Christ. | ||
| Yeah, it was kind of interesting, but you know. | ||
| Well, it's a wild show, but it's a fun show. | ||
| It's a fun show. | ||
| It's a fun show. | ||
| They're irreverent and they fuck with everybody. | ||
| And, yeah, have they gone too far a few times? | ||
| Sure. | ||
| But I think they're, you know, just trying to entertain. | ||
| Well, he does entertain. | ||
| And when Jeremy Clarkson reviews cars, it's like when he's really enthusiastic about it. | ||
| Like he's reviewing some Ferraris. | ||
| That guy's word was like, you know, it would either make you or break you. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| I mean, that was, you know, probably from 05 to 20... | ||
| Farrah, he had about a 10-year period. | ||
| Now you've got Chris Harris, who's friends with our mutual friend Matt Farrah in California. | ||
| Yeah, I've had Chris on the podcast before. | ||
| He's great. | ||
| He's probably one of my favorites. | ||
| We had dinner with him in London a couple weeks ago. | ||
| It just couldn't be any finer. | ||
| Yeah, him and Matt are two of my favorites for reviewing cars. | ||
| Smokey Tire's awesome. | ||
| Yeah, yeah, yeah. | ||
| It's just car entertainment has sort of come a long way. | ||
| There wasn't really that much back in the day. | ||
| I mean, there was not really a show. | ||
| Once Top Gear came around, then people realized how entertaining it is just to see cars and hang out with cars. | ||
| I think really one of the best of it is Jay Leno. | ||
| Jay Leno's garage is fantastic. | ||
| It is great. | ||
| It's very good. | ||
| Yeah, yeah. | ||
| He loves cars so much that it's so contagious. | ||
| I don't know anybody that knows more about cars from A to Z, from steam cars to hyper cars to race cars, everything in between. | ||
| Jay Leno is literally a walking automotive encyclopedia. | ||
| Yeah, I don't understand the steam car. | ||
| He's got ones that he drives around that aren't even supposed to have rubber tires, so he had to put rubber on these steel wheels so that it's legal to drive around. | ||
| Well, did they ever tell you, so on a steam car, you're heating up this boiler, and the boiler's got water in it, and that turns into steam, and that's what makes it go. | ||
| But when you run low on water, if you're not careful, it'll explode. | ||
| So you have to turn off the heat. | ||
| So this came up because I was in Jay's one time and I saw one of his steam cars. | ||
| I'm like, what's the garden hose in the backseat for? | ||
| He's like, well... | ||
| You know, I'm over at, driving through Burbank and, you know, his start running out of water. | ||
| So he's able to shut it down so the engine doesn't explode. | ||
| And he goes up and knocks on some little old lady's front door and says, you know, ma'am, can I hook my spigot up to your, you know, my hose up to your spigot? | ||
| I'm going to put some water in my steam car. | ||
| Imagine Jay Leno showing up at your house, wanting to borrow water. | ||
| Right, yeah. | ||
| That's some crazy shit. | ||
| Yeah, he's got an insane collection. | ||
| I can't even believe how big it is. | ||
| When I was there, I thought it was just one of these buildings. | ||
| Oh, it's the whole block. | ||
| It has 11 buildings. | ||
| Yeah, they're all kind of daisy-chained together. | ||
| Yeah, it's incredible. | ||
| And motorcycles, too. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| Jay's been a customer, gosh, almost 30 years. | ||
| He had the first black Gen 1 Viper. | ||
| And so he wanted to do an exhaust, an intake, and a 373 rear-end gear. | ||
| And so we're scheduled to go out there. | ||
| And I just talked to him, like, on the phone one time. | ||
| And I only dealt with him. | ||
| I didn't deal with any assistants or handlers. | ||
| And so I just dealt with him on the phone the one time. | ||
| And then my wife had our first shot. | ||
| We had a miscarriage, and so I couldn't go. | ||
| So I just had somebody call out there to his office, say, John can't make it. | ||
| Didn't give him any reason. | ||
| And dude, like... | ||
| Two days later, flowers and a card showed up to our house. | ||
| And to this day, I do not know how Jay knew that we had a miscarriage or even knew my home address, but somehow he found out and sent flowers. | ||
| We've been friends ever since. | ||
| That's awesome. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| That's very nice. | ||
| Special dude for sure. | ||
| Super passionate, super influential. | ||
| You know, another thing I learned from Jay that's cool, so whether it's a $2.7 million Venomified Revolution or one of our Velociraptor Mammoth trucks, whenever I'm out in public with one of our vehicles or if I'm at like a Cars and Coffee car show, Jay taught me that. | ||
| I said, what got you into cars, Jay? | ||
| He says, well, when he was 12 years old, there was like maybe a 55 Jag parked out in front of a store and he was admiring it and the guy came up to the car and says, hey kid, you like the car? | ||
| He says, yeah. | ||
| And the owner said, would you like to sit in it? | ||
| And so I've seen Jay at a bunch of car shows. | ||
| So if you're somewhere south of 12 years old and you ask him nicely, You know, he'll let you sit in his car. | ||
| So we do the same thing. | ||
| And so when they kind of start queuing up and I get the 14-year-old, I'm like, no, no, no. | ||
| He goes to those cars and coffee streets, right? | ||
| Takes all kinds of shit. | ||
| You know, I mean, so when Jay was doing Tonight Show, that's when I met him. | ||
| And, you know, we did several projects for him. | ||
| He'd have us come out to the show. | ||
| But he was always so busy. | ||
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| I would just see him in passing, and he's so high-functioning, ADHD, dyslexic, which my son Cole is, too. | ||
| His brain just moves at a million miles a minute. | ||
| So I could say, hey, Jay, how you doing? | ||
| Blah, blah, blah. | ||
| In and out, in and out. | ||
| Get in the next car and go. | ||
| But then when he retired from The Tonight Show... | ||
| A whole different show. | ||
| Just like you could have a conversation with him. | ||
| He wasn't thinking about all the shit he had to do. | ||
| And he's so much better at that show because it's so much what he's actually interested in instead of just the job of hosting The Tonight Show. | ||
| And the mistake that I made growing up is like, you know, he would do comedy on The Tonight Show. | ||
| We always thought he was funny. | ||
| We would watch it. | ||
| But then years later, maybe 10 years ago, I got to hear him do stand-up. | ||
| And I'm like, it's so much more edgy. | ||
| You know, my wife will only handle so much, like, if you get into a certain level of crude, she won't go, so I have to go by myself. | ||
| So he's, like, right there on the edge of certain ones. | ||
| Really? | ||
| Oh, dude. | ||
| I thought so. | ||
| So Shell had a big launch for a new oil product about 10 years ago when we were there. | ||
| And he's like a fucking machine gun, dude. | ||
| So in that 45-minute set, you get at least an hour and a half worth of material. | ||
| It is just coming fucking rapid fire. | ||
| That's interesting. | ||
| I've got to go see him live then because I haven't seen him live in a long time. | ||
| I don't know where he's working out or if he just does big shows. | ||
| I don't know. | ||
| Because he used to do Comedy Magic Club every Sunday. | ||
| I see his stuff pops up on my social media feeds when he's around in the area. | ||
| So he does shows. | ||
| But to your point, reach out to him. | ||
| I'll get his number. | ||
| And you reach out to him and have him come do the mothership. | ||
| Yeah, for sure. | ||
| He used to be really respected as an edgy comic when he first started. | ||
| In the 1970s, when he would do, I guess it was the early 80s or late 70s, we'd do Letterman. | ||
| I used to watch him on Letterman. | ||
| He'd wear a black leather jacket. | ||
| What years was that? | ||
| This would have been probably mid-80s, 84, 85. And they used to do a little gag called, Jay, what's your beef? | ||
| Eh, what's my beef? | ||
| Yeah, I'd get mad about things. | ||
| Kind of a grumpy old man program. | ||
| But yeah, I always thought Jay was pretty good. | ||
| I loved Carson when Carson was on back in the day too. | ||
| So you just kind of go from one to the next. | ||
| But some of the current stuff, you've got Gutfeld who's funny as shit, but the other guys are just... | ||
| It's a hard gig, man, because there's so many restrictions. | ||
| First of all, you're talking to someone very quickly. | ||
| If you're going to talk to them about something complex, something that's difficult to grasp... | ||
| That's why the platform podcast works, right? | ||
| 100%. | ||
| Because if you're just talking to someone and you're talking to them for five minutes and then you're going to commercial, it's like you can only get so into the subject. | ||
| And some subjects deserve more attention. | ||
| They deserve time. | ||
| And you really can't do it on those shows. | ||
| And then also you're censored, right? | ||
| So you can't say certain words. | ||
| You can't speak your mind. | ||
| You'll have a producer in your ear telling you what to do. | ||
| And then on top of that, you have these commercials. | ||
| You have to wait for the commercial. | ||
| Then you've got to build momentum back up. | ||
| And you're back. | ||
| All right, we're back. | ||
| You know, like, why are we back? | ||
| Like, what is this? | ||
| It's the worst way to have conversations is... | ||
| And that's essentially what those things are. | ||
| What those things are is just, it's like short attention span, quick soundbite conversations that are not satisfying. | ||
| That's the problem. | ||
| To get a satisfying conversation, you need to talk to someone for a long time. | ||
| Okay. | ||
| And so they're crippled. | ||
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| It's like they're handicapped by the system that they exist in. | ||
| Okay. | ||
| There's nothing you can do to fix it. | ||
| I don't know, man, but was it that much different from when Carson and Lena were doing it? | ||
| Yes, because there's podcasts. | ||
| Today's a lot worse? | ||
| Well, there's podcasts now. | ||
| Oh, so they have competition. | ||
| There was nothing else to watch back then. | ||
| Now people see it. | ||
| This is what it is. | ||
| It's like they see the difference. | ||
| Because if the only conversations you see with people having on television are on things like The Tonight Show, then that seems normal. | ||
| But as soon as you can have long-form, full, unsensitive conversations, that's when it becomes awkward. | ||
| Because then you're like, why are they doing it like this? | ||
| This is an uncomfortable way to watch people talk. | ||
| And also, like, someone's sitting there, and you're sitting next to them in this weird way, and you're facing a crowd. | ||
| You've got a live audience. | ||
| It's all weird. | ||
| There's so much weirdness to it. | ||
| That's funny. | ||
| It's just not a good way to have a good conversation. | ||
| Right. | ||
| You know, and all it was, really, was an advertisement for whatever the fuck that person was selling. | ||
| Okay. | ||
| So if this person... | ||
| A book, or whatever. | ||
| A sitcom, a new record. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| A new movie. | ||
| Yeah, that's really what it is. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| It's not... | ||
| You know, and Jay Leno didn't get a chance to pick the guests. | ||
| Like, he wasn't, like, up to him, you know? | ||
| Well, he did tell me... | ||
| We worked with him on a project a couple years ago. | ||
| We're just sitting in a truck bullshitting. | ||
| And, you know, I kind of asked him, I said, so, since you don't do the Tonight Show, do you miss any of that at all? | ||
| He's like, no, not really. | ||
| He's like, I... He's like, I wasn't really big on going to movies, so if somebody's coming on the show, I'd go watch the movie just so I knew what to talk about. | ||
| He's like, I'm really not into celebrities, and I don't go to the movies that much. | ||
| I do my car thing. | ||
| Well, for Jay Leno and for all those comedians that lived back then, The Tonight Show was the Holy Grail. | ||
| Oh, for sure. | ||
| If you're a young comedian, you get on there, that's it. | ||
| The host of The Letterman Show, the host of some late night show, that was the Holy Grail. | ||
| Right. | ||
| So they all wanted that. | ||
| And so when you get it and you realize, is this really what I wanted? | ||
| It was a thing that seemed like no one could get. | ||
| And back then, if you got it, it was a big deal. | ||
| If you were the host of The Tonight Show, it was a big deal. | ||
| And nowadays, it's just another show. | ||
| It's just another thing that's on television. | ||
| They've got to compete with you. | ||
| Well, they're not even competing. | ||
| It's like they're competing with Netflix, really. | ||
| They're competing with things. | ||
| But for conversations, yeah, they're competing. | ||
| Well, Bill Maher has a podcast now. | ||
| There's a lot of great podcasters. | ||
| If you want just free entertainment in your ears, there's so much. | ||
| There's so many different true crime shows and so many different stand-up comedians have podcasts and so many scientists. | ||
| Right. | ||
| Fuck, man. | ||
| I mean, you could just be entertained forever. | ||
| So breaking into that is hard. | ||
| Right. | ||
| And when you're on a television show, you're kind of depending upon people flipping through the channels or people that are accustomed to watching it at 11 p.m. | ||
| Let's turn on the late night show. | ||
| Right. | ||
| You know? | ||
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| It's kind of a trap, though. | ||
| It is. | ||
| It's a trap. | ||
| I had no idea. | ||
| They don't grow. | ||
| It's like the viewership of those things just keeps dwindling. | ||
| So you didn't get your big break by going on Carson or something like that, but you found the right manager. | ||
| It's like for a young comedian that's trying to get going, how do they get discovered today? | ||
| Oh, YouTube. | ||
| YouTube, internet, social media. | ||
| Someone could be funny and have one clip about one subject that resonates with people, and they throw it up on their Instagram, and then it gets reposted and shared. | ||
| They put it up on Twitter, it's on YouTube, and then bam, all of a sudden they're famous. | ||
| It happens all the time now. | ||
| This is a great time for people to get their stuff out there. | ||
| Probably the greatest time ever. | ||
| So if you've got talent, you can't keep it down. | ||
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At least people know about it. | |
| I mean, there's definitely some people that get better breaks than other people. | ||
| That definitely happens. | ||
| But at the end of the day, really, it's about becoming undeniable. | ||
| And if you could just put your stuff out there, enough people love it. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| So that's where they get their big break today. | ||
| You know, back in my day, I got on the MTV Half Hour Comedy Hour. | ||
| That was like the first television show that I did where I got attention from it, and then I got a development deal. | ||
| So that was like the pathway back then. | ||
| It was like you would do a stand-up comedy TV show and then you'd try to get a sitcom. | ||
| And everybody just wanted a sitcom or they wanted to host The Tonight Show. | ||
| Or host The Jimmy Kimmel Show or whatever. | ||
| Get your own show. | ||
| But there wasn't a lot of those. | ||
| Did you ever do it? | ||
| I mean, you did Fear Factor, but did you ever host a show where you're interviewing people? | ||
| I guest hosted once later with Greg Kinnear. | ||
| He was out of town, and I guest hosted it. | ||
| It was fun. | ||
| I enjoyed it. | ||
| But it's still very limited. | ||
| It's not the same thing. | ||
| Doing this is the perfect version of conversations for me. | ||
| Some people like it more restricted, and they want to be wearing a suit. | ||
| They want the lights, and they want the crowd. | ||
| They feel like it's more of a show. | ||
| Sure. | ||
| I get it. | ||
| There's all kinds of different things that people like, but for me, this is the most fun way to do it. | ||
| How's a gummy bear treating you? | ||
| You look a little faded. | ||
| I'm buzzing pretty good. | ||
| You look a little faded, fella. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| Doesn't he? | ||
| I can smell it. | ||
| I can smell you into the darklands. | ||
| I brought my son. | ||
| He can drive me home. | ||
| Good. | ||
| No autopilot for me tonight. | ||
| Yeah, none of that. | ||
| That's funny. | ||
| That's Ric Flair. | ||
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Woo! | |
| Woo! | ||
| Woo-chews. | ||
| Texas has got to get its shit together with weed. | ||
| It's weird that some weed is legal. | ||
| I think it will. | ||
| That weed is legal. | ||
| Delta 9 is legal. | ||
| I've got a quick weed story for you. | ||
| This ties into Cold Plunge. | ||
| So I got diagnosed as ADHD back in the late 90s. | ||
| I'd been married for a while and we're having trouble. | ||
| My counselor gives me this book and says, answer these 100 questions and if you're more than 80 of them, then you're ADHD. I was 98 out of 100. So I started taking Ritalin. | ||
| And I've been taking Ritalin for... | ||
| Almost 25 years. | ||
| So fast forward to a couple months ago, I go to my doctor, to the clinic, to go get my prescription refill because it's a controlled substance, like Adderall or opioids or whatever else. | ||
| And look, for me, it just wakes me up in the morning. | ||
| I don't drink coffee. | ||
| And it kind of helps me stay focused on the stuff I've got to do and better follow through and focus. | ||
| And so I go in and the nurse says, well, we have a new policy at the clinic. | ||
| In order to get a refill for Ritalin or any other controlled substance, we have to drug test you. | ||
| And I said, okay, alright, whatever. | ||
| Once a year. | ||
| And so I started filling out some paperwork. | ||
| I'm like, she's like, okay, well tell me now when you want to go pee in the cup. | ||
| And I said, you got a drug passing me now? | ||
| I said, I'm 60 years old. | ||
| I've never been drug tested in my life. | ||
| And it just pissed me off. | ||
| I'm like, I'm paying money to be here. | ||
| I just want my Ritalin. | ||
| So I stopped taking it. | ||
| And so like for 30 days, I'm kind of like, oh man, I got a little less energy, a little less focus. | ||
| Well then I've been watching you and other friends cold plunging. | ||
| Are you allowed to just get off of Ritalin like that? | ||
| You're not supposed to cold turkey it, but I did. | ||
| Were you on a fairly low dose? | ||
| Yeah, it was 20 milligrams in the morning, 10 in the afternoon, but I normally didn't take the afternoon. | ||
| But here's what I found. | ||
| For the 30 days following, it wasn't that hard of a real transition. | ||
| I was just a little more lethargic and needed to get to the gym more. | ||
| But what I learned was is that my level of aggression with my kids, my wife, my employees was ratcheted down by probably 20%. | ||
| From the cold? | ||
| Or from the Ritalin? | ||
| So this me stopped taking Ritalin. | ||
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| And my resting heart rate was lower. | ||
| And so I thought, what can I do? | ||
| So Ritalin was just jacking you up. | ||
| It was jacking me up. | ||
| But it had been jacking me up for 25 years. | ||
| And then friction I would have with employees. | ||
| I would want to get into tussles on just stupid shit. | ||
| And so this recent revelation is the clinic wanting to drug test me so I could get my Ritalin refill. | ||
| Me not taking the Ritalin, I believe, my wife and kids at least tell me this, a few employees, that I'm just, you know, I don't have to take gummy bears to calm down at times, right? | ||
| I'll take a gummy bear sometimes to go to sleep. | ||
| But then I thought, okay, well, what can help kind of replace, kind of give me that kick in the ass in the morning, so kind of wake me up and get me going, and I'll go do an early workout, a boxing workout a couple times a week, but I'm like, I need something else. | ||
| I've been seeing you and other people doing the cold plunge program. | ||
| And that's like, and I had done it a few times before I got off the Ritalin, but I thought like, okay, the last time I did that, that like gave me like this boost of focus, like this mental focus and more calm through the day. | ||
| So I bought a cold plunge tank and I got it about three weeks ago and cold plunge maybe five days a week in the morning. | ||
| And I don't know, maybe it's just because it's a combination of, it's something that I really don't want to do and it's really hard to do. | ||
| And when I say that to myself, I'm like, that's the very reason I need to go do it. | ||
| And then secondarily, just like it shocks my system and all of a sudden it just wakes me up. | ||
| So I'm like, you know, so if you're listening out there and you're on Ritalin, your kid's on Ritalin, you know, I'm not a doctor, I'm not telling you what to do, but I am saying that I got off of Ritalin and now I can kind of backfill that boost energy in the morning by doing a cold plunge. | ||
| That's interesting that you were on it for 25 years and you're able to get off of it in 30 days. | ||
| What did that transition feel like? | ||
| Because I would imagine that you'd kind of become dependent on the feeling that you get from that. | ||
| So I would run up from time to time. | ||
| I never felt dependent on it, but I did feel lower energy. | ||
| Especially probably the last 10 years. | ||
| As I was getting older, I'm like, okay. | ||
| You know, I've never really been a morning person. | ||
| I used to, like, up until maybe 10 years ago, wouldn't go to bed until 2 or 3 in the morning, and then I'd wake up at, you know, 7 or 8 the next day. | ||
| But anyway, so Ritalin just kind of gets me going, helps me focus, stay on task. | ||
| But it probably starts wearing off kind of by mid-afternoon, but I just didn't... | ||
| The thing about that kind of stuff to me is if you can function as good as you're functioning without it, I wonder, because we think of medications as being necessary. | ||
| We think of things like that as being necessary, like this is what you need, it'll straighten you out. | ||
| Is it? | ||
| You know, I mean, is what we're missing, like at least with some people, is what they're missing physical activity and stressors, things like cold and heat, and things like a morning workout, like how many people are just going to a pill And not doing those other things to see if like maybe there's a more healthy way to approach this. | ||
| Yeah, I mean, just how much time do I waste just glancing at my phone? | ||
| Who texted me? | ||
| What's in the news? | ||
| What about pull cues? | ||
| Whatever, you know? | ||
| And so one of the things I noticed when we first installed it, maybe it was the first or second time that I'd cold plunge at home. | ||
| Like, I always kind of had this euphoria. | ||
| I don't know if it's kind of a little bit of a dump of endorphins or dopamine or what, but just kind of me being happy. | ||
| I didn't one time wonder, where's my phone? | ||
| What's going on? | ||
| And my counselor tells me that just by looking at our phone, sometimes that gives us a tiny little dopamine hit. | ||
| Yeah, it does. | ||
| Look at the phone. | ||
| It's also just an addiction. | ||
| You're just looking for new information constantly. | ||
| You're always looking for some new picture, new video, new thing to stimulate you. | ||
| So that's why I found the cold plunge kind of just for a period of time. | ||
| It was calm. | ||
| It was like zen. | ||
| It's like me being up in the mountains looking at the trees and just kind of being a peaceful moment without having to take a Ric Flair gummy bear. | ||
| Well, it definitely makes you so happy when you get out of it. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| And you get out of it like, woo! | ||
| I'm happy just because I'm not freezing my balls off anymore. | ||
| Yeah, it's that. | ||
| But it's really just the rush of endorphins. | ||
| You feel so happy. | ||
| Yeah, that's true. | ||
| And our family's doing it. | ||
| My wife did it. | ||
| My daughter comes over and does it. | ||
| My son's real athletic. | ||
| He's got two scoped knees, and so he thought he tweaked his knee playing pickleball the other day, and he did it and said no more pain. | ||
| So, I mean, you as an athlete, I mean, and still probably training pretty hard, do you find like when your body's getting a little worn or your joints are a little sore, does the cold plunge help you too? | ||
| I do it every day, so I don't know. | ||
| Okay. | ||
| I mean, I still have joint pain. | ||
| I still have some stuff, but that's just what comes up with the territory. | ||
| Yeah, it is what it is. | ||
| You just get accustomed to being in some sort of pain most of the time. | ||
| Especially jujitsu. | ||
| Jujitsu training, you're always hurt. | ||
| There's always something going on. | ||
| What do you still carry to this day that you got hurt doing back in the day? | ||
| Oh, I've had a bunch of surgeries. | ||
| I've had my knees reconstructed. | ||
| Both my knees reconstructed. | ||
| Okay. | ||
| A lot of it is joint stuff and back stuff. | ||
| Everybody that I know that does jujitsu has some sort of a back issue or a neck issue. | ||
| So does weed or hallucinogens, does that help any? | ||
| Is it more for your mind stimulation or relaxation, or does it help with any of your injuries? | ||
| I think it's for everything. | ||
| Well, I don't know if it helps with injuries. | ||
| It definitely reduces inflammation, but there's a good argument that maybe inflammation is good for some injuries. | ||
| Oh, really? | ||
| Yeah, because it's how the body's healing from it. | ||
| Okay. | ||
| Unless it's your arteries. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| What's that? | ||
| Unless you've got inflammation in your arteries. | ||
| Yeah, that's not good. | ||
| But inflammation from injuries. | ||
| So there's like two schools of thought. | ||
| One school of thought is you should ice things immediately and calm down the inflammation. | ||
| And the other school of thought is really what you need is heat and motion. | ||
| And you need to kind of like let the body do its normal process. | ||
| And there's a reason why it's inflamed following an injury. | ||
| It's sending a lot of blood to that area. | ||
| It's trying to fix it. | ||
| I don't know. | ||
| I'm not smart enough. | ||
| I've heard from very smart people both things you should do. | ||
| I've heard you should ice things and I've heard you should never ice things. | ||
| I don't know what to say about that, but I do know that it does inhibit your growth and gains if you do it post-lifting. | ||
| Okay. | ||
| So like if you lift weights and then you jump into the cold right afterwards, the reduction of inflammation actually equals less growth. | ||
| So you get less what they call hypertrophy. | ||
| Did you talk about some guy that was doing cold plunges before his morning workout? | ||
| That's what I do. | ||
| And that was boosting testosterone? | ||
| Yes, we read about that. | ||
| There was a guy that he had some sort of a test that showed that he might have cancer. | ||
| Okay. | ||
| And they wanted to put him on certain medications, and he said, I want to try Doing a ketogenic diet and doing the cold plunge every day. | ||
| And so this guy shifted his diet and went to doing a cold plunge every day before his workouts. | ||
| And his testosterone rocketed. | ||
| All of his problems went away. | ||
| He started feeling way healthier. | ||
| But I think sometimes people need like a little bit of a wake-up call just to kind of straighten up your diet. | ||
| And maybe it doesn't need to be keto, but maybe Maybe the benefit wasn't really from him doing keto, which may have been a benefit, but it also might have been when you're doing keto, you're not eating any bullshit. | ||
| You can't eat potato chips. | ||
| You can't drink soda. | ||
| You only get a certain amount of carbs per day. | ||
| So you're trying to get your body into this state where it's just burning fat, and just by doing that, you're eliminating bullshit. | ||
| And that's probably what's fucking with people more than anything. | ||
| It's just bad food. | ||
| Do you cook your own food? | ||
| Yeah, I cook my own food. | ||
| Yeah, I cook a lot. | ||
| What... | ||
| Well, gummy bear moment. | ||
| Gummy bears are your friends, but sometimes they fuck you. | ||
| They leave you searching for your thoughts. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| No, I love cooking. | ||
| I really do. | ||
| I love cooking meat, you know, especially like game meat, like wild game. | ||
| Yeah, I see your Instagram. | ||
| Some of that elk stuff looks like, man, I'll be right over. | ||
| I love it. | ||
| I love cooking ribeyes, too. | ||
| Right. | ||
| Because I like to eat. | ||
| I eat mostly meat, so I try to eat a lot of fat because I'm not getting much else. | ||
| So when you go on the road for a fight or doing stand-up, you bring a cooler? | ||
| No, I just go to restaurants. | ||
| Do you do much with intermittent fasting? | ||
| Yeah, I do that all the time. | ||
| Generally, I do at least 14 hours. | ||
| So I generally like to work out in the morning fasted. | ||
| But it depends. | ||
| Sometimes if I have a show late at night, like last night my show was pretty late and I was home until like 2.30 in the morning. | ||
| So then I had some food at night because I was just exhausted and tired so then I ate and then I went to sleep and I woke up later. | ||
| So when I woke up, I just ate and then got my shit done. | ||
| Because I'm like, listen, the fasting's out the window. | ||
| I got tanked last night. | ||
| Let's just get something in and get the sweat going and let's get rocking. | ||
| Kind of get your body back on track. | ||
| But I do the cold plunge before anything. | ||
| Okay. | ||
| Before any of my workouts. | ||
| I'm going to try that out. | ||
| I'm so accustomed to it now, it still sucks. | ||
| I still hate it. | ||
| I still think about checking it out. | ||
| But it's necessary. | ||
| Well, it is really good for you. | ||
| And I feel so great when I get out of it. | ||
| And more importantly, it's made my body much more resilient to cold. | ||
| Like, I warm up really quickly. | ||
| Yeah, yeah. | ||
| Like, once I'm out, like, I do the three minutes, and I remember the first time I did it, I was fucking cold for so long. | ||
| I was like, oh, you fucker. | ||
| Oh, you fucking bitch. | ||
| You dummy. | ||
| What is wrong with you? | ||
| Why are you doing this? | ||
| Now I get out and I'm like, woof. | ||
| Like my body's completely adapted to it. | ||
| So I can start working out right away. | ||
| How cold? | ||
| What temperature do you find? | ||
| 34. Oh, you go that low. | ||
| Yeah, I do 34 for three minutes every morning. | ||
| Wow. | ||
| Do you have a chiller? | ||
| Do you have ice? | ||
| I have a Morosco cold plunge at home, a Morosco Forge. | ||
| And here we have one called the Blue Cube. | ||
| And they're both very, very good. | ||
| I want to see that. | ||
| I bought one from Renew. | ||
| I'll show you the Blue Cube. | ||
| It's out here. | ||
| The Blue Cube we have at the studio. | ||
| And the Blue Cube, they're upgrading to this fucking insane one they have now that's like a river. | ||
| So you don't get a thermal layer over your body. | ||
| So the water's constantly circulating. | ||
| Exactly. | ||
| So it just keeps sucking. | ||
| It never stops sucking. | ||
| Oh, that's going to super chill your ass. | ||
| Yeah, because when you get in the Morosco, it's amazing. | ||
| And look, it ain't easy. | ||
| Three minutes is a grind. | ||
| At that temperature? | ||
| Oh my gosh. | ||
| But after a minute and a half or so, it gets more relaxed. | ||
| Okay. | ||
| And that's because you develop a thermal layer. | ||
| Because when you get out, you know how your body gets like super red? | ||
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| That's what that is. | ||
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| That's your body is forcing blood to try to warm up your skin that's in contact with this cold. | ||
| It's trying to prevent you from hypothermia. | ||
| It's giving you some insulation. | ||
| Yes, yes. | ||
| And so this blue cube one doesn't allow that because it's like constantly running. | ||
| Flowing through. | ||
| It's constantly flowing. | ||
| So it's torturous. | ||
| Wow. | ||
| I'm a wuss. | ||
| I'm only down to 55 degrees. | ||
| Oh, that's ridiculous. | ||
| I know. | ||
| I shower in that. | ||
| That's outrageous. | ||
| You've got ice cubes coming out of your shower. | ||
| I like cold showers too. | ||
| In the winter, it's great. | ||
| I love it. | ||
| I love it in the winter. | ||
| Oh, in the winter, it feels so good. | ||
| I love doing it right after the sauna. | ||
| Right into the cold shower. | ||
| That's what I was going to ask you. | ||
| So what rotation, where does the dry sauna come in with the cold plunge and the workout? | ||
| It depends entirely on what kind of workout I'm doing. | ||
| What I really generally like to do is I like to work out by doing cold plunge first, always. | ||
| And then I will have whatever workout I'm in. | ||
| And I'm doing hard cardio, like if I'm doing... | ||
| Bag workout or something like that. | ||
| Then I go right into the sauna afterwards. | ||
| Okay. | ||
| So my heart rate is jacked. | ||
| Okay. | ||
| So when my heart rate, like when, you know, my resting, my heart rate after rounds, like I'll do like 10 rounds on the bag, and it's still beating fast when I go in. | ||
| So, and then because of the heat, like it's a static form of cardio. | ||
| So when you go in... | ||
| You're extending your workout. | ||
| Exactly. | ||
| I'm extending my workout just sitting there and listening to a book. | ||
| Okay. | ||
| So I'll just put... | ||
| If you want to do that, though, get AirPod 1s, the originals. | ||
| So slide out or... | ||
| No, the original ones don't overheat. | ||
| Oh, really? | ||
| The other ones die out. | ||
| Okay. | ||
| Every fucking... | ||
| I've tried a bunch of different companies, a bunch of different AirPods. | ||
| They all die except the original regular AirPods. | ||
| Whichever one they sell, they'll sell like a Gen 2. But it's not the new ones. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| It's the old ones. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| The ones in the little tiny case. | ||
| Yes, sure. | ||
| Those ones don't die. | ||
| Okay. | ||
| Because they have less shit in them. | ||
| The other ones have noise canceling and all that. | ||
| They die quick. | ||
| The pros, they eat a lot. | ||
| And it's always the left one because I'm sitting with my left side to the heater. | ||
| So it made me conscious. | ||
| It was like switching sides. | ||
| So cold plunge, workout, if you've got your heart rate up, definitely go straight into the dry sauna. | ||
| And then do you ever rotate back? | ||
| Sometimes even when I lift weights, I'll go into the sauna. | ||
| It depends on how much time I have. | ||
| What I really like is a sauna at night. | ||
| I really like that when I come home from the club. | ||
| It relaxes you for bed, but it also centers my mind. | ||
| And it gives me an opportunity to have just a little bit more adversity at the end of the day. | ||
| Go through 20 minutes of this fucking 189 degree sauna and steam and listening to something. | ||
| Generally, I'm listening to a book. | ||
| And I'm just in there just thinking about shit. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| It's good alone time. | ||
| I need alone time. | ||
| It's very important. | ||
| When's your alone time that you're not listening to the book? | ||
| You're not thinking about learning? | ||
| When I'm working out. | ||
| When I'm working out, it's just alone time. | ||
| If I'm hitting the bag, either I listen to music or sometimes I don't listen to anything. | ||
| I just want to hear the thumps. | ||
| I just want to hear the womp womp. | ||
| Have you ever been in a fast go-kart? | ||
| Not a fast one. | ||
| We were in... | ||
| Thailand? | ||
| I think it was in Thailand with my family. | ||
| We went to this place. | ||
| They rent go-karts. | ||
| We were whipping around. | ||
| They were fun as shit. | ||
| We were racing each other. | ||
| It was a really good time. | ||
| Yeah, but like a really fast, like a track-focused go-kart, like for me, like that's something that will take my mind off of everything because maybe a little bit like boxing or something in that if I'm not focused on what I'm doing, I'm either going to fucking lose or get fucking hurt or both. | ||
| And so anyway, skiing fast and go-karts are what take my mind off of everything. | ||
| But without getting hurt, you could do that with pool. | ||
| That's what I like about pool. | ||
| True, to some degree. | ||
| And that's what I like about archery as well. | ||
| Archery, it's like when you're drawn back. | ||
| A little bit of zen. | ||
| Yeah, there's a thing that's happening where it's so difficult to do that all you're thinking about is that thing, and it's very mind-cleansing. | ||
| Yeah, yeah. | ||
| Fred Bear said that, something about a troubled man in a bow. | ||
| Right, right. | ||
| Fred Bear was like one of the original pioneers of bow hunting in this country. | ||
| But pool, to me, is like one of the ultimate ones, because you could do it at any time you want. | ||
| Anytime you have time, I can just go out there and set some drills up, or just run some balls, and it just frees my mind. | ||
| Because you know, you're a good pool player. | ||
| When you're making a long shot, especially a shot on that table, and you know you have to get pinpoint position on the next ball, there's like so much going on. | ||
| Did you ever play any street pool? | ||
| Yeah, I did. | ||
| I never really played one pocket, but I played a lot of street pool. | ||
| I played a little bit of one pocket. | ||
| It's like a chess match. | ||
| It's boring as shit. | ||
| I like action. | ||
| I get it. | ||
| It's hard to do. | ||
| It's a great gambling game. | ||
| Those guys that are really the Tony Chohans of the world. | ||
| Grady Matthews. | ||
| Yeah, yeah, yeah. | ||
| They're chess masters is what they are. | ||
| It's an intellectual game. | ||
| Efren Reyes is amazing at it. | ||
| But it's not my thing. | ||
| I like rotation. | ||
| I like breaking. | ||
| I like running out. | ||
| Alright, ma'am. | ||
| I'm your pool table date. | ||
| Just let me know. | ||
| It's an hour and a half drive up from the factory. | ||
| We had a good time. | ||
| It was fun. | ||
| We just didn't have enough time. | ||
| That's all good. | ||
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That's the thing. | |
| You just get warmed up when you play for like an hour or two. | ||
| Yeah, yeah. | ||
| Well, listen, brother. | ||
| I appreciate you coming here and I love your cars, man. | ||
| And I appreciate you making wild shit. | ||
| Likewise, man. | ||
| I just love that you do that. | ||
| You just make wild shit. | ||
| Whenever I look at your website, he's like, he's got a thousand horsepower Camaro. | ||
| What the fuck are you doing exercise? | ||
| Jesus Christ, man. | ||
| Everything is just so bonkers over the top. | ||
| All of it. | ||
| The GT500, not fast enough. | ||
| What does it only have, 700 horsepower? | ||
| No, I thought we built 1,000 horsepower. | ||
| Yeah, exactly, but from the factory. | ||
| 700 from the factory. | ||
| We built 1,000 horsepower GT500 for Jim Farley, the CEO, and his son went out and drove around Monterey, California last August and had a blast with it. | ||
| The fucking videos that you guys have of people sitting in the car and you're See the acceleration. | ||
| Oh my god. | ||
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Yeah. | |
| I love that you're out there, brother. | ||
| Thank you, man. | ||
| Appreciate you very much. | ||
| Appreciate you. | ||
| And thank you for being here. | ||
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It was a lot of fun. | |
| Thank you. | ||
| Awesome. | ||
| All right. |
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