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April 5, 2023 - The Joe Rogan Experience
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Joe Rogan Experience #1966 - Big Jay Oakerson & Ari Shaffir
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joe rogan
Yeah, the NXIVM cult is the one that I still haven't watched that documentary.
I've been watching this doc, I've got a bit about the place that I used, that I bought before I bought the mothership.
unidentified
Yeah.
joe rogan
Because it's about a place that was owned by a cult.
So I've been watching the documentary on the cult.
It's called Holy Hell.
It's so fucking crazy.
I've been watching it, I've watched it three or four times to try to like find the angles for the bit.
unidentified
Yeah.
joe rogan
Because the guy who ran it was a gay porn star who was also a hypnotist.
unidentified
That's right.
ari shaffir
It's such a powerful combination.
joe rogan
All he wore was Speedos and eyeliner.
And this dude ran this cult for 20 fucking years.
And they kicked him out and sent him to Hawaii.
And now he's running in Hawaii.
At the end of the documentary, the guy goes to visit the guy in Hawaii.
Now he's old and fucked up looking.
He's had a bunch of plastic surgery, like fake cheeks, and his lips are done and everything.
He looks like a monster.
And he's still got these people following around and opening the doors for him.
And he sits down and he...
Talks like a guru.
Complete con artist.
ari shaffir
Did they show you his porns?
joe rogan
Oh, yeah.
Oh, yeah.
ari shaffir
How was it?
joe rogan
Oh, yeah, they just block out where the dick is going in the ass.
He's pounding this guy from behind, and then he's doing like a push-up.
He's doing like a plank, and this guy is underneath him, and he's holding on to the guys.
The guy's holding on to his hips, and he's just mouthfucking this guy while his legs are completely suspended in the air.
ari shaffir
Oh, he's just, okay, doing workouts.
unidentified
Military.
joe rogan
Yeah, he's basically doing a workout.
So he's got, like, in a push-up position like this, and his leg is, both of his legs are up there, like, that pointed.
And he's going like this, just humping this guy's mouth.
I mean, the guy, and this is something that the cult members had found out while he was, you know, in there.
That's him.
See, when he got older he started looking creepy.
This guy started this cult in 1981. He was an extra in Rosemary's Baby.
ari shaffir
Really?
joe rogan
Yeah, that was like his claim to fame.
He was just a bad actor.
ari shaffir
He's got some young bucks with him.
joe rogan
Oh, he had all young bucks and young beautiful women too.
Like that's how he attracted the heterosexual men.
He had a bunch of young beautiful women, but he told them never to have relationships together and then he fucked all the guys.
big jay oakerson
The move with the NXIVM guy did.
You can get a really good cult going, but everyone's not going to get the...
Even Charles Manson.
They always made it out to these young, pretty hippie girls.
When you see the pictures, they're all pretty rough.
joe rogan
The Mansonmans?
big jay oakerson
Yeah.
And then the NXIVM cult, it's the same thing.
It's like they tell you all the people that were involved and like...
Except for, like, one girl.
Like, most of them were pretty, like, homely.
So you're like, yeah, I guess if you're...
ari shaffir
Oh, yeah.
big jay oakerson
If your cult leader status is to bang a bunch of, like, they're okays.
joe rogan
Well, this is like headshots after they've left the cult and realized it was over.
big jay oakerson
That girl's the actress.
ari shaffir
She's the actress?
The bottom left one?
big jay oakerson
Yeah.
She's the prettiest.
ari shaffir
I recognize her.
But she's, like, secretary.
big jay oakerson
Yes, she was like, yes, exactly.
I think she got out of fucking him because she would recruit the girls and brand them and stuff.
joe rogan
That girl's pretty.
That girl's pretty.
big jay oakerson
That's, uh, whatchamacallit's daughter.
joe rogan
Who?
big jay oakerson
She got involved, too.
ari shaffir
Oh, she's an actress.
big jay oakerson
She was an actress in, like, those old, like, Falcon Crest-type shows.
joe rogan
Falcon Crest.
big jay oakerson
Oh my god.
joe rogan
Could you imagine being trapped on one of those shows where you gotta get a paycheck every week and the paycheck is wonderful.
You're probably making like a hundred grand a week.
unidentified
So you're not gonna leave.
ari shaffir
You're not going to leave.
And you're like, this sucks.
I didn't get into acting to do this.
big jay oakerson
But is it a good career if you're like, take a Lorenzo Lamas.
The guy is like, you know, small parts in Grease and stuff.
Then he's on Falcon Crest as a heartthrob for a while, which is, I think, network.
That's a big network.
Then he's renegade for years, probably his most successful thing.
Yeah, that was like a syndicated show.
joe rogan
Yeah, that was a syndicated show.
Beautiful man.
big jay oakerson
Oh, he was gorgeous in his day.
joe rogan
Beautiful man.
ari shaffir
Yeah.
joe rogan
Yeah.
Like, what does he look like now?
big jay oakerson
That's him up there.
ari shaffir
Not bad, not bad.
joe rogan
Still slinging dick.
big jay oakerson
63. But major like white drama.
joe rogan
Engaged to a younger woman who goes by Nerdy Blonde online.
Okay.
unidentified
Perfect.
big jay oakerson
Oh, that's new.
He already had like a big girl, like a lady leave him that he was with for a while.
He was with a Playboy girl or something.
joe rogan
Oh, yeah, yeah.
I remember seeing that.
Like, she had a ton of plastic surgery and shit, right?
Yeah.
Lorenzo Lamas.
ari shaffir
Do you think he ever, like, if he looked back at himself at 16, 17, 18, whatever, when he's looking forward, if he's like, that's my career, do you think he'd be happy with that?
Or go, nah.
I want something legit.
joe rogan
It would really depend on how smart he is.
I've never heard him talk.
big jay oakerson
Or what he did with his money, I guess.
joe rogan
Right.
But also, how smart is he?
Are you stimulated there?
Are you just happy to get attention?
ari shaffir
I bet he's just happy to get attention.
joe rogan
Maybe.
big jay oakerson
I think he was more pretty than brilliant.
joe rogan
Maybe.
big jay oakerson
But you know, saying with the NXIVM guy and the intelligence of them, it's weird.
joe rogan
Coffee?
big jay oakerson
Because the different states in life, that guy made himself very wealthy in that cult, the NXIVM guy.
joe rogan
Oh, he made himself wealthy by...
big jay oakerson
Sure, yeah, because it's a Ponzi scheme.
On top of the sex thing, it was most...
First of all, it was a money thing, first and foremost.
ari shaffir
Sex was bonus.
big jay oakerson
It was one of those schemes to do, like...
They'd be like, get five more people to join.
joe rogan
Oh, pyramid scheme.
big jay oakerson
Pyramid scheme, for sure.
And then once they were in and believed their life was getting better from that, he'd be like, hey girls, there's a little side project I got going on called Fuck Me When I Tell You To.
Oh, interesting.
joe rogan
But weren't they getting branded or something?
big jay oakerson
Yeah, that's what I'm saying.
It gets greedy.
Those things always go down because you...
joe rogan
The guy has too much power and he keeps going.
ari shaffir
It's not enough to just be like, hey, I'm fucking three chicks.
big jay oakerson
It's Negan and the Walking Dead.
You can fuck three chicks and still you want to bank the guy who worships you.
ari shaffir
His wife.
big jay oakerson
You want to see if you can get his wife, too.
And it's crazy.
ari shaffir
Yeah.
joe rogan
And they always wind up doing it, too.
ari shaffir
They get it.
Because the guy has to comply.
They don't know what to do.
joe rogan
Like David Koresh.
He had a deal where he could fuck everyone's wife.
big jay oakerson
The people that get out of it like sitting there and like just seeing a guy just seeing it I don't know how they stay together like a guy and his wife sitting on a couch while the guy's hysterically crying like I can't believe I Sat in that room and waited for him to fuck you while I you know I can believe it That they stay together?
joe rogan
Yeah.
It's just tough.
There's guys like that out there.
They're like, the girl can do anything.
She can shit in his face.
unidentified
No, but they're like, don't do that.
joe rogan
I don't do that to you.
There's certain people.
ari shaffir
And they have to complain about it the whole time?
joe rogan
Yeah, there's always been humans like that.
There's like a spectrum of humans.
There's always been humans that you could just kind of like push around.
big jay oakerson
Walk over?
joe rogan
Yeah.
big jay oakerson
Well, the other one I just watched, I said, because this guy had no status in life.
It was an older guy who moved into his...
I think it was his daughter.
His daughter would always talk about how great her dad was, and he was super involved in, like, SEAL team shit with Gorbachev and all these, like, past political dealings.
But he's in jail now because the government railroaded him.
This is what she would tell all of her dorm mates, you know, housemates in college.
But he rules.
He's the best.
He comes out of jail, and she's like, can he come live here with us for a while?
And then over the course of the next few years, he just turns his daughter's house of friends into a sex cult.
It's wild.
joe rogan
Yeah, I heard about that one, too.
unidentified
Wow.
joe rogan
Yeah.
Well, there's a lot of con men out there.
What we were talking about before the podcast, there's a lot of con men out there and con women.
There's a lot of con artists.
big jay oakerson
Do they con themselves or do they think some part of them is doing a good thing?
joe rogan
No.
big jay oakerson
Do you think the NXIVM guy is like, I am teaching them life skills and building them up?
ari shaffir
Yeah, I bet they lie to themselves.
joe rogan
There's a little bit of that in there.
What's fascinating about this holy hell thing, in the beginning the cult was amazing.
As it got older, the guy started fucking everybody.
He started fucking all the men.
That's one of the things he did as he got older.
Heterosexual men started fucking them and hypnotizing them.
And then on top of that, he started telling people to get plastic surgery so he could see what it looked like.
He wanted to get his cheeks done, so he had his followers get the cheeks done.
What happened with him is he was beautiful when he was young.
That's the guy who made the documentary.
That's Will Allen.
He's the guy who made it.
Also pretty.
Also, all the people were good looking.
big jay oakerson
Can't really put his ass on the lawn.
joe rogan
The picture of him up there with his arms up in the air and everyone's got their hands up, that's him older, but still ripped and jacked.
But when he was young, in the beginning of the documentary, He was a beautiful man.
Perfect features.
And this amazing body.
And he was a ballet dancer.
And he put on his fake accent.
ari shaffir
What accent?
joe rogan
Like he was a guru.
Like, I am here to tell you, you are just life.
Life is beautiful.
You know, that kind of shit.
unidentified
Yeah, yeah, yeah.
joe rogan
You know, I'm sure the guy, I mean, he's a fucking actor.
ari shaffir
Do you think right away he knows, I can never get you, get out, you're not going to be part of my cult?
joe rogan
100%.
ari shaffir
He just gets the weakest people.
joe rogan
Yeah, if you stumbled in there, first of all, he'd be like, you're not our type.
No.
ari shaffir
You've got to be good looking.
I'll prove it.
joe rogan
You're not that good looking.
I love you, Jeff.
unidentified
That's a good point.
joe rogan
You're not the best looking guy.
ari shaffir
That's a good point.
On Gay Island, I would have trouble there.
joe rogan
Yeah, there would be a problem.
unidentified
Yeah.
joe rogan
And then guys like you, or I, or any of us, we'd be like, what are you doing?
Wait a minute.
ari shaffir
Yeah.
joe rogan
Come on.
What's going on here?
How do you guys make money?
Who's making money?
Where's the money going?
ari shaffir
Yeah, you have a question early on.
big jay oakerson
Their talent is finding people who are lost and don't ask questions.
joe rogan
Exactly.
ari shaffir
Who are like, I'm sure it's taken care of.
big jay oakerson
Just the idea of like, when you hear those things, like, where's the point where you have to go, hey, wait, wait, wait.
joe rogan
Yeah.
big jay oakerson
Wait, I don't, that doesn't make sense to me.
joe rogan
They all come from yoga classes.
I mean, all his guys, his people.
He would teach yoga classes in LA. And that's how I'd find them.
You know, if you go to yoga, I mean, there's a lot of people in yoga.
There's a spectrum.
But there's a certain percentage of guaranteed lost people in yoga classes.
big jay oakerson
I feel like CrossFit had that, too.
When I was doing CrossFit, like how much they...
And another thing, that's why...
joe rogan
Jiu-jitsu, too.
big jay oakerson
It wasn't like buying into the...
They said, before I took CrossFit, they were like, You know, some people go, ah, it's cultish, dude.
It's weird.
And I go, I don't even know what that means.
I walk in, and I do the thing that's on the board that it says to do.
At the time, I can do it.
And then I go home.
But I then did realize, after being there for like a year, I'm like, these guys are having barbecues every weekend.
Oh, yeah.
And then people, the owner of the...
Of the CrossFit gym.
There was two guys who owned it.
Both married guys.
I think both of them started fucking girls in the class.
At least one of them did for sure.
And the family broke up.
And he was very publicly with this much younger girl from class.
It was wild.
ari shaffir
There's going to be a segment of the class that wants the approval of the teacher.
joe rogan
Oh, yeah.
ari shaffir
Like, real bad.
joe rogan
This guy, they would call him the teacher.
unidentified
Wow.
joe rogan
He had all these different, well here's the thing, his name was Jaime Gomez, so he had to change it right away.
You can't fly with that.
unidentified
Jaime Gomez fixes Toyotas.
joe rogan
Jaime Gomez is on the Canelo Alvarez undercar.
big jay oakerson
He doesn't bring you the answers from the universe.
joe rogan
That's him when he was already older and looking creepy.
If you go to like, go to his name, Jaime Gomez, Rosemary's Baby.
I don't think he called him, I think he called himself Michelle back then.
He changed his name three times.
Four times.
Okay, so he changes his name, that's him right there.
Like, look at that.
Like, beautiful man.
big jay oakerson
The guy with the white.
joe rogan
That's him and Rosemary's Baby.
So, you know.
So hypnotic, right?
Just something about people with beautiful features, they can talk more people into things, right?
Perfect skin, right?
So this guy is ripped, he's walking around in a Speedo, and he's saying all these things that in the beginning make everybody happy.
And he does this thing where he puts them in a meditative state and he touches their forehead and he tells them that when he touches their forehead they're going to experience orgasms and feel the universe.
And these people, they're legitimately tripping balls.
Because it's the power of suggestion and hypnotism.
So he's hypnotizing these people, and then he's putting his...
Like, in the beginning of the cult, it's amazing.
Like, no one seems to have a problem in the beginning.
That's the thing about these things.
When you watch the beginning of Wild Wild Country, same shit.
The beginning looks amazing.
ari shaffir
It was like, I want to join.
joe rogan
That's what my friend Todd said to me.
unidentified
He goes, dude, I want to shut it off after episode one.
ari shaffir
It's great.
Let's get out there.
joe rogan
He's like, I want to go find them.
I want to join!
It looks like they're having a good time!
Because most people live these fucking miserable lives, doing a job they don't like to do, and if someone will tell you, like, you've got a community, we eat together, we pray together, they all meditated together, they all splashed around the water, it looks like they're having a great fucking time!
But as the guy gets older, he gets creepier.
And the cult awareness network goes after him.
So he has to leave L.A. in the middle of the night.
And he moves to Texas.
And so he sets up shop in Texas.
ari shaffir
How are they not going to find him in Texas?
joe rogan
Changed his name again.
This is the 90s.
ari shaffir
Pre-internet.
unidentified
Pre-internet.
joe rogan
90s, bro.
This is the 90s.
He starts the cult in like 81. So in the early 90s, there's these weirdos splashing around in Barton Springs holding hands with this guy.
We're Speedos and an eyeliner like what the fuck and that's where they go.
He changes his name from Michelle to Andreas and so Andreas is now he's getting older He starts getting weird and one of the things he starts doing is fucking with his face He starts like shoving cheek things and pulling things back and lips He looks fucking weird and he just he's hanging on to Like, his good looks, and it throws them off, because it doesn't fly with his message.
Your body is a vessel.
Your body is just a vessel.
ari shaffir
I know you're getting cut up.
joe rogan
You are God.
We are all God.
You know, it's like, but now all of a sudden, he's like getting facial surgery, and they're like, huh.
And so then a guy leaves.
big jay oakerson
He was more gay than leader Well, I got to get the face He had to get the face done.
joe rogan
Yeah, it's a fascinating documentary man.
big jay oakerson
I I love all those things.
ari shaffir
I love when you watch one of these things.
That one, the dude who fucked the whole family in Utah.
That was great.
But you're watching, you're just like, how do I not know about this?
joe rogan
Dude, I think there's certain people that, I mean, I think this is why cults work.
I think this is why some people become religious zealots and suicide bombers.
There's certain people that are just fucking really gullible, man.
You can get them.
big jay oakerson
Well, not one of them ever.
Most of them, when they're interviewed afterwards, when they're out, they always say that same line of like, I know what cults were.
And in fact, when they would explain to people what was going on, they'd be like, I know what you're thinking.
This isn't a cult.
It's just a bunch of people living together, dressing the same, doing whatever.
joe rogan
They talk about it in the documentary.
big jay oakerson
They explain a cult while they keep telling you, like, no, it's not that.
We just all eat out of the same tray.
ari shaffir
We don't eat proteins.
joe rogan
In the documentary, they were saying, well, they were joking around that everybody thinks it's a cult.
And they're like, well, if we're in a cult, at least we're in a good one.
And it was for a long time until one guy leaves the cult and sends out a mass email.
It's like, hey man, this guy's been hypnotizing me and fucking me for the past 10 years.
big jay oakerson
Really?
unidentified
Yeah.
ari shaffir
He found out he was being hypnotized.
joe rogan
Oh, I mean, he's doing hypnotherapy on them.
ari shaffir
Wow.
unidentified
Remember in Boston?
joe rogan
He's putting them in states.
ari shaffir
Remember in Boston that hypnotist?
joe rogan
Frank Santos.
ari shaffir
Yeah, and we saw a door guy pass out.
joe rogan
Yeah.
ari shaffir
He tried to do the whole room and a door guy off to the left was just gone and somebody pointed it out to him.
joe rogan
Yeah.
ari shaffir
That door guy would be like a candidate.
unidentified
Yeah.
joe rogan
Yes.
Yeah.
Well, when we used to do Stitches, when Greg Fitzsimmons and I were coming up in Boston, Frank Santos was the fucking man.
And we would all go watch because it was a comedy hypnotism show.
ari shaffir
It was fun.
joe rogan
And he would put people under.
And some people he couldn't put under.
Some people were just in front.
Because you're doing it.
It's not like you could get hypnotized if you wanted to in a relaxed setting.
I had it done once.
It's very interesting.
My friend Vinnie Shorman, he hypnotizes fighters and he gets to like get to the root of like whatever their conflict in their mind is and try to sort things out, make them perform better.
big jay oakerson
It's not what you're thinking.
That's why I always don't believe in it because it's not what I'm...
They're not like, you know, when your eyes are open, like walk that way.
joe rogan
Maybe not you.
Here's my concern.
Maybe some people you can do that too.
This is what I think.
I think what I experienced was like a different state of mind.
It seemed like, I'm like, wow, this is like a drug.
Like, I'm on a drug.
I mean, this is very strange.
But it was very pleasant, and it was very, I was present and pleasant.
It was like I was right there, and I was like looking at things from a different angle.
It's almost like I had removed some layers of clothing that was like my conditioning in life.
I got to look at things.
I'm like, this is very much like a psychedelic drug.
big jay oakerson
Someone described to me once where I heard, actually I think it was on Howard Stern also, a hypnotist that came on that does their thing, said, this is essentially in a level of hypnotizing.
If they're listening to this while driving in a car, and they're just like not even thinking, they're just kind of like, but it's still a state of hypnosis when you're just kind of driving and not thinking.
You're not hitting cars, you're not in danger of crashing, you're just like on this complete present autopilot.
joe rogan
Doesn't that weird you out when you find yourself doing that?
ari shaffir
You're like, what the fuck?
big jay oakerson
Oh, yeah.
joe rogan
Yeah, like, I'm doing everything right.
I'm on the right road.
I'm in the right lane.
unidentified
I'm not speeding.
big jay oakerson
You're like, I forgot if the last three lights were green.
ari shaffir
Yeah, but how did I... Just baby dragging behind you.
joe rogan
How am I just zoning out while I'm driving?
big jay oakerson
You're like, those last lights were green, right?
I'm not crazy.
joe rogan
Dude, it's so frustrating watching people text and drive.
You watch them weave into the lane.
Pull your fucking phone down when you drive.
ari shaffir
You can see it ahead.
unidentified
God damn it.
ari shaffir
You're like, that's a texter for sure.
joe rogan
100%.
I always want to pull up to him.
Just look at him.
Too dangerous.
Look at him texting.
Look at him texting.
He's a fucking jackass.
ari shaffir
You know what I do when they're texting at a red light and they're looking down?
I'll just like honk next to them.
And so they just start going before it's...
Look up.
joe rogan
Well, you don't have to do that now with CarPlay.
CarPlay is the shit.
big jay oakerson
You just speak your text?
unidentified
Yeah, man.
joe rogan
I do it all the time.
I take care of so much shit when I'm on my way to work.
I can say, text Big J, go fuck yourself.
Bam.
And it says, go fuck yourself.
Send it.
And I go, yes, send it.
big jay oakerson
I don't know what this...
In my car, one time me and Dan Soder were driving somewhere, and I was like, hey Siri, or whatever you gotta say.
And it was like, hey Siri.
And it was like, what would you like me to do?
And Soder just goes...
Suck my dick.
And then the car goes, okay.
I have no idea why.
I went, okay.
Texting suck my dick to Anthony Cumia.
Oh, that's hilarious.
ari shaffir
That's hilarious.
big jay oakerson
I've never texted Anthony Cumia ever.
Hey, suck my dick, by the way.
joe rogan
If you have a shitty microphone...
ari shaffir
Yeah.
joe rogan
In your car, it'll fuck up.
ari shaffir
Mine does that when it's like, call so-and-so, and they're like, calling this other person.
You're like, no, no, no, stop, stop, stop.
joe rogan
Mine, you know, I wear those little AirPods, and sometimes I pick up the wrong ones.
I have ones that I have for the sauna, and then ones for real world.
ari shaffir
Yeah.
joe rogan
And the ones for the sauna, they get cooked.
They go bad.
Yeah, they go bad.
So, like, the microphone's bad.
I'm talking to people.
They're like, where the fuck are you?
I'm like, alright, this mic's bad.
It's cooked.
ari shaffir
It's over.
joe rogan
So you get sweat in it and shit, and it gets fucked up.
But they still play music.
Like, you can still listen to audiobooks on them.
That never dies.
But the microphone dies.
big jay oakerson
The microphone's gone?
ari shaffir
Oh.
joe rogan
And so if I do that, like, hey Siri, call Ari Shaffir, it's like, you know, texting Greg Fitzsimmons.
It could be anybody.
It doesn't know what the fuck you're saying.
ari shaffir
Aaron Snapper.
joe rogan
It'll play a book for you.
big jay oakerson
I like it'll just keep guessing wrong, though.
It never goes, I don't get it.
You gotta understand.
joe rogan
What are you saying?
One day it's gonna talk to you, like, hey Jay, is that really what you want to say to your friend?
ari shaffir
Why don't you reconsider it?
big jay oakerson
Think about this.
joe rogan
Suck my dick, really?
To Anthony Cumia.
big jay oakerson
Are you ready to burn that bridge?
joe rogan
Do you think perhaps that Anthony Cumia is gay and are you gay?
ari shaffir
Is that what you're trying to do with the text?
joe rogan
Can I get some context?
big jay oakerson
Is this more about you than him?
joe rogan
What if you opt in for AI to give you advice?
Like what if you opt in for that?
big jay oakerson
Like high mathematical probability advice?
unidentified
Yeah, yeah.
joe rogan
If you opt in, so if you say, text Anthony Cumia, suck my dick, and it's like, Big J, what are we doing?
I need some context here, first of all.
big jay oakerson
Why are we doing this?
joe rogan
Are you saying suck my dick because that's what you would like him to do?
And are you gay?
Or are you being insulting?
unidentified
Is this known as a rap classic projection?
joe rogan
Is this what you want?
Do you really want to put that energy out there in the world?
big jay oakerson
The voice AI is gonna be a problem.
ari shaffir
Does it sound like it?
big jay oakerson
That's gonna be because we made that joke when Soder left the bonfire.
Like they gave us that program.
They go look and you just type whatever and Soder's voice will say.
joe rogan
Anything.
ari shaffir
Anything you want.
joe rogan
It's crazy.
There's full podcasts of me having podcasts with people that I never talked to like Steve Jobs.
There's a whole conversation with me and Steve Jobs apparently.
That people just did on AI. I think they did it all on AI. They can do anything.
Now, it's over.
Like, it's over.
Like, any idea of what is or is not the truth, it's gonna become a real problem.
big jay oakerson
Do we have a date on it?
Because I feel like I heard about it one day.
Chat GPS. Well, it just keeps going.
joe rogan
I mean, it's four right now.
It's gonna get to five, and it's gonna...
ari shaffir
What, level?
joe rogan
Yeah, it's like different levels of it.
ari shaffir
Like early VR versus now is like miles different.
Nobody's getting nauseous anymore.
joe rogan
Fuck, I just had a question.
I can't remember what it was.
big jay oakerson
No, I feel like it's...
joe rogan
What were we just talking about?
big jay oakerson
It hasn't changed as much.
unidentified
Catchy BT going forward?
joe rogan
Yeah, no.
big jay oakerson
AI making decisions for you or giving a suggestion?
joe rogan
I'm not going to remember.
But it has something to do with it.
ari shaffir
The voice podcast that looked like you?
big jay oakerson
Oh, yeah, using my voice.
joe rogan
Oh, no, this is what it was.
That fucking TikTok ban.
Like, what is this actual law?
unidentified
Oh, that bill has nothing to do with TikTok, yeah.
joe rogan
Yeah, it has nothing to do with TikTok.
It's all about having power to restrict access to...
What's the deal with TikTok?
ari shaffir
Let's pull it up.
joe rogan
Let's figure out what it is.
ari shaffir
When did TikTok become like a fucking evil?
joe rogan
Well, first of all, they nailed it.
Adam Curry doesn't think they are.
Adam Curry's perspective, when I talked to him, and Adam Curry's brilliant, he said he thinks that they're eating tech in America's lunch, and they're trying to block them out because it's a Chinese-owned company.
And because they're saying that China's scooping up all the data, guess what?
He goes, that's exactly what these other companies are doing, too.
They're all scooping up your data.
The idea that your data is going to China is a problem.
unidentified
What does that mean?
ari shaffir
It goes to China?
joe rogan
It's because China represents competition, and they developed an app that's the most addictive app ever.
ari shaffir
Sure.
joe rogan
That's just Adam Curry.
big jay oakerson
Is it Adam Curry?
MTV original VJ? Yeah, that guy's the shit.
He's a huge tech guy.
unidentified
Do you know what?
joe rogan
He's the fucking original podcaster.
He's the podfather.
He's number one.
big jay oakerson
A couple things he was ground level on.
joe rogan
He's super deep in on the internet, man.
ari shaffir
Yeah, it seems the same.
Seems like it's just an app that they're making money off ads.
big jay oakerson
But I will say, what I've never seen before, because Christine, my girlfriend, is like...
ari shaffir
She's on a non-stop.
big jay oakerson
And I really like...
No, she stops herself now, but the fact that you're in a position where you have to stop yourself, and like, she can't wait for me to go to the bathroom, whatever, so she can just start seeing more of them.
And I'm genuinely afraid...
Try but I almost like almost at the same rate I want to try crack once like see what all the hubbubs about I want to go on and be like is it getting I'm not into watching Bite-sized videos over there.
It's not my thing.
joe rogan
What it does is it finds what you're into and one of the ways I know that is my 12 year old and my 14 year old have fucking completely different feeds They talk about it like my 12 year old is into like weird facts and strange things All kinds of stuff that the 14-year-old's not into.
The 14-year-old's into dress-up videos.
People are into different shit, and that's what it'll find your thing.
It's really good at that.
But it's also super invasive.
But then the question is, how much do we know, other than what we found out from Twitter, how much do we know about what these other companies are doing?
And you just sign up for someone's app.
How about when you're talking about something and then you see a Google ad for it?
What happened there?
ari shaffir
We all know by now.
big jay oakerson
You can turn that off.
You can turn that.
That's actually a function.
If you go into like Facebook on your phone, all of them, you put turn microphone off.
It's an option.
So it doesn't do that.
If you turn the microphone off though, the app doesn't do almost anything.
It makes you almost keep it on.
That's the only reason I have it on.
joe rogan
It hobbles it.
It hobbles it so it can listen to you constantly.
ari shaffir
That's too far.
Following shopping habits or something, it's like maybe.
That's way too far.
big jay oakerson
What about like an Alexa helps you solve a crime because it was recording or something?
ari shaffir
I hate that.
joe rogan
If we didn't know, if this whole thing with Edward Snowden didn't come down, we would, and that was a long time ago, if you really stop and think about it, we would have no fucking idea that there was a government full-scale surveillance Program that was on the American people like on everybody.
Yeah, like they could spy on anybody.
They don't have to have warrants anymore They're just they can do whatever they want.
They can get all your emails all your voicemails Like that is wild shit and we found out about it because a guy told everybody and then had to hide in Russia Damn it's crazy I scrapped 30 billion images from Facebook and other social media sites and gave them to cops and Oh my God.
Puts them into a perpetual police lineup.
big jay oakerson
Oh, so no more of that.
They're not in the system.
They're not in the system.
joe rogan
Look at that.
30 billion images from Facebook and social media sites and gave them to police.
So now they have your name and your face.
So if you have a fake ID, if you, you know, you get pulled over, they know exactly who you are, and they can run that through some fucking computer that has a database of everything over your social media, everything you've ever done.
big jay oakerson
That's so much deeper than DNA evidence, because they would say that, you know, if someone didn't have their DNA in the city, you couldn't find someone, it was their first time, like, crime, and they weren't in it now.
ari shaffir
You could be like, did you buy a shovel recently?
big jay oakerson
Jamie, what is the law?
joe rogan
What is this TikTok law?
Because people are freaking out about it, and people are telling me that I have to look into it.
jamie vernon
The Confusion is calling it the TikTok law.
joe rogan
The Restrict Act.
unidentified
TikTok is not listed in there at all.
joe rogan
Right.
I'm sorry.
But it's, you know, that's like, don't say gay, Bill.
Never really says don't say gay in any of it.
ari shaffir
Yeah, that was a misleading one.
joe rogan
It's very misleading.
unidentified
But that's also kind of how it's being sold to people.
It's like, this is what's going to stop the bad TikTok stuff.
jamie vernon
But it's like, hey, TikTok is not mentioned in here, so maybe it won't do that at all.
joe rogan
So, instead of just going after TikTok, they're making this sweeping act.
The Restrict Act is described as a systematic framework for addressing technology-based threats to the security and safety of Americans.
That sounds ominous.
It grants the Secretary of Commerce the authority to review transactions by certain foreign entities who offer information and communications technologies, products and services in order to identify, investigate and mitigate undue and unacceptable risks to the national security of the United States or its citizens.
This includes, but not limited to, impact the country's critical infrastructure and digital economy.
Sabotage or subversion of ICTs in the United States.
Boy, that could be interpreted a lot of ways.
Interference and manipulation of federal elections, which could mean you're just skeptical or you're gullible and you bought into some conspiracy theories and you're talking about them, and instead of just being able to just talk like a nonsense person, you get jacked.
big jay oakerson
So it's kind of like subverting the press.
joe rogan
Undermining the democratic process to steer policy and regulatory decisions in favor of the strategic objectives of a foreign adversary to the detriment of the national security of the United States.
Like, man, this is all so open to interpretation.
Like, think of those things.
Impact the country's critical infrastructure and digital economy.
That's easy to do.
You can impact it?
What if you impacted it in a positive way?
What are you saying?
Impact it?
The digital economy?
What have you done?
Do you promote a certain coin and it blows up?
unidentified
Then you just impacted the digital economy.
joe rogan
Think about these Bitcoin guys.
If Elon posts a Dogecoin image, immediately Dogecoin goes up, right?
Doesn't that impact the digital economy?
So what does that mean?
b-real
So what if he says the crypto is bullshit because he believes it?
joe rogan
Well, doesn't that impact the digital economy?
ari shaffir
Yeah, they could arrest him.
joe rogan
And are they talking about the digital economy that exists now, or are they talking about a centralized digital currency, which is what China does, or which is what they want to do?
unidentified
Is that what they're saying though?
big jay oakerson
Are they saying that Elon Musk will be illegal for him to pump Dogecoin?
joe rogan
I don't know what they're saying.
The problem is the way that's, I mean obviously I'm not a lawyer, but the way that's written, scroll back down so I can read that, the way that's written, impact to the country's critical infrastructure and digital economy.
End digital economy is included in there.
What does that mean?
big jay oakerson
I don't know.
I've never made money digitally.
Yeah.
joe rogan
But look at this.
So this thing, information, communications, technologies, products, or services, right?
So this is ICTS. Sabotage or subversion of ICTS in the United States.
ari shaffir
What's ICTS again?
joe rogan
So it's information, communications, technologies, products, or services, all right?
Okay.
In order to identify, investigate, and mitigate undue and unacceptable risk to the national security of the United States.
So if you did something, so subversion.
So imagine if you said, I think these people are full of shit, and I think what they're trying to do is gain control of the United States, and I think we should resist that.
That would fall into that.
ari shaffir
And they're selling it as TikTok is doing this.
TikTok is subverting our elections, or TikTok is subverting our economy.
joe rogan
They're not even selling it that way.
They're not even selling it that way.
jamie vernon
These countries are the foreign adversaries that may do bad stuff.
ari shaffir
So they're like, it's a risk that they're going to do something bad with this.
jamie vernon
Yeah, like they've listed using a VPN as a way to subvert that, which would be illegal.
unidentified
And you get a gigantic fine.
Maybe 20 years in prison.
ari shaffir
To use a VPN here?
How do you steal?
Imagine.
joe rogan
Imagine criminalized VPNs.
ari shaffir
I'm always told to get a VPN. You should get a VPN. Imagine that.
joe rogan
Potentially criminalizing the use of a VPN service or sideloading to access services blocked from doing business in the United States under the Act due to the text stating that no person may cause or aid, abet, counsel, command, induce, procure, permit, or approve of the doing of any Act that violates the orders issued under the Act What?
ari shaffir
That's so confusing.
joe rogan
Bro, they're trying to gain more power.
This is creepy.
This is not good, and I just gotta hope that people wise up and don't pass this.
Does it seem like this is something they're passing?
unidentified
I don't know that it's gotten that far.
I know it's been proposed.
ari shaffir
Do you think there's an order to it, where it's like, first we bill China as going after Hong Kong and Taiwan?
Now we see them as the enemy.
Now a business associated with them, we can get rid of that now.
joe rogan
Yeah, I don't know, man.
big jay oakerson
The problem is TikTok zombifies people, so if you take it away, they're going to revolt.
ari shaffir
Yeah, they want it.
joe rogan
I don't think you have to take it away, but I think that act has nothing to do with TikTok.
If people have legitimate concerns that people are abusing and overusing TikTok, that's a conversation people should have.
big jay oakerson
Sure.
joe rogan
But this is not that.
ari shaffir
It's not because of that.
It's not because everyone's using it too much.
big jay oakerson
This is about what they're getting when you use it.
joe rogan
All that stuff seems very vague to me.
Obviously, I'm an idiot.
But all that stuff seems very vague when they're reading out what they can get you for.
And that last thing about acts that are listed as impermissible under the act or whatever the fuck the the wording was like, what the fuck is you covering all the bases?
It seems like it's so open to interpretation.
Now imagine if something like that existed during the pandemic, the beginning of pandemic where people go, you know, I don't know if these fucking masks work.
You know, you would immediately get...
ari shaffir
That's against the public health.
joe rogan
That's against that.
That's right.
big jay oakerson
You'd be in legal trouble or sick.
joe rogan
Now we know they don't work.
So then it was, we think that you can still get sick even if you get vaccinated.
Immediately, you would get banned from things.
ari shaffir
So this was in place.
unidentified
Well, this guy got it.
joe rogan
Been gone.
unidentified
The meme guy got found guilty for posting memes.
I don't know the exact details of his quote.
joe rogan
He got found guilty?
unidentified
Yeah, they found him guilty.
ari shaffir
And then what?
What does that mean?
joe rogan
Do you know the memes, guy?
It was a very subtle parody of Hillary Clinton.
He was, like, trying to say with this thing, like, to Hillary voters, they could just stay home and text your vote into this number.
Wasn't that it?
unidentified
Something like that.
ari shaffir
It's parody.
But they took it seriously.
Or somebody said, can you believe this is happening?
joe rogan
They found the dude who did it and they fucking arrested him.
ari shaffir
What?
unidentified
You tweeted that out.
ari shaffir
Avoid the line.
joe rogan
Avoid the line.
Vote from home.
Text Hillary to 59925. Vote for Hillary and be a part of history.
unidentified
Amazing.
joe rogan
I mean, amazing.
Amazing.
He was convicted today by a federal jury in Brooklyn of charge of conspiracy against the rights.
ari shaffir
It's the context.
You took away the context of the parody.
Totally.
big jay oakerson
That's just subverting.
If you believe that was true, don't vote anyway, man.
Yeah, you shouldn't get a vote.
You shouldn't get a vote.
joe rogan
You shouldn't be able to vote if you get duped by that.
ari shaffir
Yeah.
big jay oakerson
Oh, nice.
Why would anybody wait in line?
joe rogan
We're worried about old people, right?
ari shaffir
Yeah.
joe rogan
But at a certain point in time, should you really still be voting?
ari shaffir
If you can't drive without murdering a bunch of people at a fair, you cannot vote.
joe rogan
There's this recent conversation that Biden had with Don Lemon.
Have you seen it?
ari shaffir
No.
joe rogan
There's this recent conversation where he's like, he asks him if he's been vaccinated.
It's very strange.
big jay oakerson
He has Biden who's vaccinated?
joe rogan
Now, again, I don't know if this is real.
Here's the problem.
I didn't watch it when it came out.
And with AI now...
ari shaffir
You don't know if it's real anymore.
joe rogan
You don't know what the fuck is real.
ari shaffir
I love it.
I love the idea that we're not going to believe anything in pictures.
It's only going to be real life.
joe rogan
But this is like a video of Biden stammering where he can't find what he's talking about.
And he's kind of drifting and talking about different things.
And none of it makes any sense to anybody.
big jay oakerson
How long goes it from?
joe biden
No, it works.
joe rogan
Yeah, that's it.
joe biden
You got the vaccination?
unidentified
Yeah.
joe biden
Are you okay?
I mean, you seem...
No, it works.
Or the mom and dad.
Or the neighbor.
Or when you go to church.
No, I really mean it.
There are trusted interlocutors.
Think of the people.
If your kid wanted to find out Whether or not there's a man on the moon or something, or whether those aliens are here or not, who are the people they talk to beyond the kids who love talking about it?
big jay oakerson
I do feel sympathy.
I feel like when I smoke too much pot before a show and I go on a tangent in the middle of a joke and don't know where I'm going.
joe rogan
Yeah, those are fun.
big jay oakerson
That's how he sounds.
joe rogan
Those are fun.
ari shaffir
Yeah, and I'm not saying, no, listen, for real though.
big jay oakerson
What was that?
You were there.
ari shaffir
What was that?
joe rogan
What was that?
ari shaffir
I don't know.
joe rogan
Like at that point in time, should you still be voting?
ari shaffir
Yeah.
joe rogan
Like, if it wasn't the president...
I mean, if you can show...
Like, should we...
I don't want to restrict anybody's right to vote, right?
Nobody does.
ari shaffir
Yeah.
joe rogan
But if you're, like, some fucking crazy crackpot QAnon person, and you've got an uncle that can't read anymore, and you take him in there to vote, like, we're gonna fucking vote with Margaret Taylor Greene.
You know, you, like, start writing things in, and, like...
big jay oakerson
How about a voting exit?
If you can't vote until you're 18, maybe you have to stop when you're like 80. Yeah, these laws aren't going to affect you.
ari shaffir
They're going to affect us.
joe rogan
Yeah, I mean, stop being in line.
big jay oakerson
Yeah, every day's a gift, bitch.
Just live it out.
jamie vernon
The video was edited just a little bit, apparently.
ari shaffir
Oh, that's all you need.
joe rogan
Oh, how much was it edited?
unidentified
You're trying to find out.
ari shaffir
That's all you need.
You can't believe any of it.
joe rogan
Amazing, though.
That's amazing.
It looks so seamless.
unidentified
Yeah, he went into a story.
He was answering his question, but then he went into a story, and it took out that part, I guess.
joe rogan
Oh, what cunts?
Just make him look rambling?
big jay oakerson
He fumfers around plenty, though.
joe rogan
He fumfers around plenty.
ari shaffir
At some point, let's say you have the dad in a family who's leading it, then he becomes a little older and he starts going senile.
At some point, all the kids are like, we don't have to listen to him anymore, right?
joe rogan
Yeah, you gotta take care of him now.
Now it's like we gotta take care of dad or else he drives a lawnmower on the highway.
big jay oakerson
You know?
joe rogan
Yeah.
You have to take care of dad.
I have friends that have dads that are compromised.
It's a real problem.
It's like you can't leave them alone.
They don't know where they're going.
They'll just get in the car and drive.
They'll go someplace and forget how to get home.
ari shaffir
And they don't want to get up the keys.
joe rogan
Well, they don't want to stop living their life.
And then sometimes you have to put them in a place where there's going to be medical supervisors watching over them.
Because they don't know what's going on.
big jay oakerson
How awful is it?
joe rogan
Horrible.
big jay oakerson
Bruce Willis knows it's coming.
He's not even there yet.
It's incurable what he's got.
joe rogan
He's pretty fucked up.
He's got something called aphasia.
And then there's also some other diagnosis that he got recently, like some form of dementia.
ari shaffir
No.
joe rogan
Yeah, some neurodegenerative type deal.
big jay oakerson
It won't get better, and he's aware that over the next probably year, I guess, or so, he's going to become not aware of what's going on around him.
joe rogan
God, what causes that?
big jay oakerson
What would you do?
ari shaffir
Would you just go into senility, or would you handle it?
joe rogan
I would try mushrooms.
ari shaffir
Yeah.
joe rogan
Because, you know, the neurodegenerative process of, like, any kind of a disease like that, I would imagine when you talk about...
What is the...
There's a thing that mushrooms can do.
ari shaffir
Change your neural pathway?
joe rogan
Is it, like, lion's mane and...
ari shaffir
Golden teachers.
joe rogan
And psilocybin.
They apparently can help to grow neurons, which is very, very unusual.
There's something about it.
Psychedelic drugs actually help neurons in the brain sprout new dendrites, which look like branches on a tree, to increase communication between cells.
These drugs can increase neural outgrowth.
They can increase the branching of neurons.
They can increase your synapses.
So I would imagine if it can do that, That there's probably some benefit if someone's got something wrong with their mind, and it seems like it's feeding the mind.
ari shaffir
Maybe.
Yeah, it's worth a try.
May as well.
joe rogan
Dude, that's the greatest theory of all time is Terrence McKenna's stoned ape theory.
ari shaffir
They just evolved them?
joe rogan
I think that's how people became people, that we were primates and we stumbled upon mushrooms and we started eating them and then we became better hunters.
We got smarter.
If it does that, doesn't that make sense?
If you're a monkey and you're eating mushrooms all the time, you probably figure out things.
ari shaffir
I'd like to imagine it happened instantly, where the mushrooms, the monkeys eat it, and then suddenly they're like, what?!
unidentified
Whoa!
joe rogan
There's a video on that.
ari shaffir
You just got back?
Like, yeah, what the fuck?
joe rogan
There's a video.
big jay oakerson
Although no one I know who takes...
b-real
Yeah, this dude Bob Seska, he made a video.
big jay oakerson
Nobody I know who takes tons and tons of mushrooms, though, seems like they're evolving.
ari shaffir
Yeah, true.
joe rogan
No, that's a very good point.
ari shaffir
Their fashion stops changing.
unidentified
They never seem like, no, dude, I'm above you.
joe rogan
You gotta help.
Do you know what?
You have it already?
Oh, that's it.
Yeah.
No, no, no, no.
ari shaffir
That's a very good likeness of you, Joe.
joe rogan
That's not it.
I'll find it.
I'm sorry, Jamie.
I'll find it.
Talk amongst yourselves.
ari shaffir
Well, we got Big J's special coming out right now.
joe rogan
Oh, shit.
ari shaffir
Dog belly.
big jay oakerson
Coming out right now.
ari shaffir
How excited are you, Jay?
big jay oakerson
I'm so excited.
Ari came in and showed me everything I would have never known how to do at all in special making.
That's the funniest when I tell people is that when Ari was like, I'll help you, I was like, alright, so I guess now we start the process of hiring the first of, what, 50 people we have to hire?
ari shaffir
You have zero clue.
big jay oakerson
You just gotta hire a producer.
ari shaffir
Yeah.
He's like, how do you find a lighting guy?
I'm like, no, we don't.
Someone else.
big jay oakerson
Do I have to go to a boom microphone store?
ari shaffir
Interview them?
big jay oakerson
But yeah, Ari walked me through.
So yeah, I'm pumped, man.
ari shaffir
When was your last one?
Hold on, we'll talk about it.
joe rogan
Nope, that's not it.
God damn it.
This is crazy.
I have so many videos on my phone.
I'm such an idiot.
Oh, I found it.
I found it.
I found it.
Here it goes.
Bob Seska.
I actually had him make this back in like...
Man, I want to say, like, the 90s.
unidentified
It might have been, like, 2000 or something like that, or 2001. And you made it a chimp instantly changing?
joe rogan
Did you get it?
It's the Stone Dape Theory.
Like, go full screen.
unidentified
Oh, shit.
My name is Steve.
Hey.
joe rogan
How dope is that?
Damn.
unidentified
That's cool.
joe rogan
Okay, I fucked up.
I fucked up.
That's not Bob Seska.
That's not the one he made fun of.
That's a different one.
But that one's awesome.
Who did that?
Can you find out who made that?
If that's possible?
That was on Comedy Central.
big jay oakerson
It's funny that it's on Comedy Central, and then the video underneath of it said, like, it was, why the stoned ape theory is bad.
It was on Comedy Central, first of all.
Like, relax.
joe rogan
The Bob Tesco one, now I remember, was different.
It had, like, aliens and laser beams.
ari shaffir
That one was cool.
joe rogan
Yeah, do you remember that one?
ari shaffir
No, this one was cool.
joe rogan
That was dope as fuck, but that was not the one that I had anything to do with.
But that's Terence McKenna's theory.
He thinks that they just started eating mushrooms and figuring things out.
It's backed by climate science.
Because that was, at the time, there's a giant jump in human brain size.
Over a period of like two million years, the human brain doubles, which is bananas, apparently.
And so what it coincides with...
Tip Tank.
Trip Tank.
Trip Tank.
Stoned Ape Theory.
But is that just the website that has it hosted?
unidentified
Yeah, it was a show on...
joe rogan
Oh, that was the show called Trip Tank?
That fucking thing's awesome.
So he thinks that...
This time, this period of two million years, it coincides with these rainforests receding into grasslands.
And so the food sources change because then there's cows shitting in the grass, and then they're looking for different things to eat, and they flip over cow patties and find bugs and shit to eat.
They've always done that.
b-real
They think they ate the mushrooms too.
joe rogan
They tried them.
And when they ate them, they realized it makes them see better.
It increases visual acuity in low doses.
And it also makes you horny.
It produces synesthesia, which helps cultivate language.
Dennis McKenna has the best descriptive of it.
Because he's...
You know, he's Terence's brother who's like this legit scientist, a genius, and the way he breaks it down, he talks about the way psilocybin interacts with the brain is really perfectly aligned with something that would make the brain grow if primates just kept eating it and evolved into what we are now.
We might be a combination of like animal and mushroom.
ari shaffir
They say that from another planet.
Joe, you can't eat them.
big jay oakerson
I can't.
That's what I was going to say.
You're saying all these beautiful things it does.
It makes your brain grow.
joe rogan
What happens to you?
big jay oakerson
It's the connective tissue of language.
And if I eat them, they're just growing.
The texture and taste.
nothing to do with all the magic of them get candies no I will that's what I'll do like generally but like it is funny throwing them actually I'll throw them right back up on pure text nothing to do with the poison in them or anything yeah it's dusty I like them they're good taste if I get chicken gristle in my mouth I go gag over a trash can for five minutes.
joe rogan
I like just the straight mushroom because you know what you're getting too.
You're not fucking around with some ground up pills that some hippie made.
big jay oakerson
That's why I never understand like edibles to me.
ari shaffir
What was it point one or one?
big jay oakerson
I had a bit about someone's made like a batch of like, you know weed brownies or something you go well What if all the weeds and how do you fucking possibly know that?
Yeah, they don't each one's 30 grams.
ari shaffir
You had a bit about the 1x 2x 3x days?
joe rogan
Yeah, yeah, because I had a bit about the gummy bear when the guy told me take just the leg and I go, what?
I'm like, why the fuck are you selling whole bears?
It's so ridiculous.
They were so strong.
Remember those gummies?
ari shaffir
Those gummies hermanos!
Bro, they were so strong.
unidentified
Yeah, they ruled.
joe rogan
They were so strong.
big jay oakerson
But that's what I'm saying.
Is there possibly no weed in the arm?
joe rogan
No, no, no, no, no.
No, no, those guys, they had it down.
Those guys just were trying to kill you.
ari shaffir
Dude, I gave my brother one.
He wasn't from a legal place.
And he came to meet me one day, and I gave him, he's like, get me one.
I'm like, this one, dude.
So the next day, the whole family, two different families are coming over for Passover or something.
And the next day, he's like, hey, did you take that gummy back?
And I'm like, no.
He goes, oh, shit, I can't find it.
I'm like, dude, there's like eight seven-year-olds in this house.
You have to find that gummy right now.
It's really dangerous.
big jay oakerson
Holy shit.
ari shaffir
One of the kids had it and he was hiding it.
joe rogan
Oh my god.
ari shaffir
He had it and he was hiding it.
joe rogan
Imagine if he just ate it.
Thank god he was a little hoarder.
big jay oakerson
That's a nice way of calling us Jews.
I've never gotten the kind of high from like edibles or weed though that's like...
ari shaffir
Edibles, you haven't?
big jay oakerson
Pallucinogenic, almost.
No, I mean, do you remember when you gave Ralph Sutton, my co-host on SDR Show?
He's Lewis's co-owner of Gas Digital.
Ralph, he took one of the stars.
ari shaffir
Oh, yeah, stars of death.
big jay oakerson
That you gave him.
joe rogan
Same thing.
big jay oakerson
And he went home and was like...
But the description of something where he was like, I felt like I was on a reality show, I thought there were cameras watching me, and I'm like, from fucking weed stuff?
joe rogan
You ever see the video when Joey Diaz doses Owen Benjamin on the show with it?
ari shaffir
Owen loses it, dude.
joe rogan
It was epic.
Yeah, Joey made a video like, I cracked him!
big jay oakerson
Is that what sent him into the woods?
I don't know, man.
ari shaffir
Maybe, maybe.
Those are strong doses.
joe rogan
Joey, look, there's a real thing with that.
You know, Alex Berenson wrote a book called Tell Your Children, and it's all about instances of psychotic breaks and schizophrenic breaks from people that are heavy marijuana users.
There's like a something that happens to some people Where maybe they have a tendency to schizophrenia or maybe a tendency.
ari shaffir
I think it's that, yeah.
Genetic predisposition or something.
joe rogan
And then a high dose of weed just pushes them over the edge.
And I've seen it happen.
I know people that have lost their shit.
They're not the same kind anymore.
ari shaffir
And they don't come back?
joe rogan
They're not coming back.
They're not coming back.
Because most of them, they keep smoking it.
I know one guy who came back.
One guy came back.
One guy was like, I'm just watching the FBI. I'm like, dude, you're a fucking middle act.
What are you talking about?
But he came back.
He came back.
He just stopped smoking weed for a long time.
big jay oakerson
And he was one day like, wow, that was pretty crazy shit.
joe rogan
I can't give any more details.
But it was, he's alright.
But I know another guy who came back too.
ari shaffir
You ever talk to Shane Moss about his like...
big jay oakerson
That's what I was thinking of.
ari shaffir
I think 30 days, he did what every day?
Mushrooms.
Okay.
And then he like covered himself with some mud that wouldn't let the mushrooms breathe out of him.
And he went to another place.
I saw him way later and it was like, dude, I know this sounds crazy, but mathematicians are coming up to me telling me that I figured it out.
I know.
Realistically, I know.
But I'm telling you, these mathematicians are telling me I have all the answers.
joe rogan
Oh, boy.
ari shaffir
Yeah.
It was wild.
He's back now, but like...
big jay oakerson
Talking to somebody who's disconnected is...
joe rogan
Odd.
big jay oakerson
It's so odd.
It's also trying.
It's funny for a second.
Not funny, but it's almost amusing for a second how out of it they are.
And then it's terrifying that that could happen to someone's brain.
joe rogan
Didn't Huberman just post something?
Someone told me that, oh, Tulsi Gabbard told me this.
Huberman just posted something about marijuana in high doses with kids is leading to an alarming number of mental illness problems.
ari shaffir
Really?
I can see that.
They're not done developing.
joe rogan
Yeah, I don't remember what he wrote.
I didn't read it.
I had a couple of cocktails.
I'm listening to a conversation.
ari shaffir
Did you guys smoke or do whatever when you were still growing?
joe rogan
No, I didn't.
ari shaffir
You didn't for sure, right?
unidentified
No.
ari shaffir
I did not.
joe rogan
I had a couple of...
From age...
From teenage years to 30 years old, I probably smoked pot five times.
ari shaffir
No, but I mean like 12 to 17. Nothing.
joe rogan
No, I didn't do anything.
ari shaffir
Yeah, me neither.
joe rogan
That was the years that I was martial arts, so I very rarely did anything.
I mean, if I had a beer, I felt guilty.
big jay oakerson
My dad smoked pot, and I thought that's why he didn't show up a lot.
And so I didn't smoke pot until I was in my 20s.
And then drinking, I just, uh, I had one of those, like, tried a sip young and thought it was so gross that I was like, I couldn't imagine.
And then also, when you're young, you watch people get drunk, and it's like that rookie drunk where I'm like, I'd rather not be that guy at the party.
ari shaffir
We gotta start teaching our kids how to drink right.
It's an embarrassment every time.
joe rogan
Well, it's a thing you do when you make things prohibitive.
ari shaffir
Yeah.
joe rogan
You prohibit them.
It's like Catholic school girls.
When we were kids, they were always the girls that wanted to get with guys the quickest.
They were just trapped in this world of all girls wearing skirts, no guys around them, and they got out of there, they're like maniacs.
Everybody knows.
That kind of suppression doesn't work on people.
People don't like being told what to do.
unidentified
They are the biggest sluts that come from that core group of people.
joe rogan
I wouldn't say it like that.
I would say those young ladies are hungry for the cock.
ari shaffir
Yeah.
The world gold stars are from that group.
big jay oakerson
Have you ever seen the drinking that the...
I think the website's called Texas Street Fights?
ari shaffir
Oh, wow.
big jay oakerson
And it's just essentially...
It's always on World Star Hip Hop, too.
Sixth Street is just chock full of gigantic women fighting until their fat guns come out.
Oh, my God.
And it seems like all the cops do is go in and...
Like, from a distance, like, pepper spray the group.
So it's just these women fighting and ass cheeks out.
And then you see, like, this spray of, like, piss coming in.
joe rogan
Girl fights.
Girl fights.
ari shaffir
Look at the rest of them just eating.
Just wanting to eat there.
unidentified
Oh, my God.
joe rogan
Oh, my God.
Oh, Jesus Christ.
I don't want to watch this, man.
ari shaffir
These are really good cameras.
big jay oakerson
You should have to walk outside once in a while what's happening.
Is that 6th Street?
ari shaffir
That's why I got the front.
big jay oakerson
Over by the...
joe rogan
I don't like street fights.
big jay oakerson
By the highway.
joe rogan
I don't.
I should like street fights.
ari shaffir
Your head hits the pavement.
It's not fair.
big jay oakerson
I like the idea of them and then it's very quickly like a reality check where you go, someone could get fucked up.
joe rogan
Yeah, really fucked up, man.
It's super dangerous.
It's so dumb.
big jay oakerson
But entertaining.
ari shaffir
It's just booze.
It's always booze.
joe rogan
It's definitely coke, too.
ari shaffir
Yeah.
joe rogan
Coke starts that shit.
ari shaffir
Let's not discount coke.
joe rogan
Yeah.
It's just fucking so dumb.
big jay oakerson
But people just, when I was here, it was for Moon Tower last time, we were at that burger plate, Pete Harry's, waiting in line, and they're like, that's particularly the outside of that place, this is like a late night spot, that is just always drama going on, and there was like preppy white dudes in some kind of an argument with Latino girls.
The girls' boyfriends were almost telling...
The Hispanic guys were almost like, stop.
Leave it alone.
Whatever the problem is, the dudes were kind of just over it.
Like, who cares?
And the lady just kept cursing out this tall, nerdy kid.
And then she went over and he was just like, all right, shut up.
Enough already.
And she took her phone.
And I mean, hit him.
I've never seen something like this happen before.
She hit him right across the forehead.
And he was kind of like, it didn't seem like it hurt him that much at first.
He was like, whoa, hey.
And then you just saw the line.
joe rogan
The blood.
big jay oakerson
Like, form, yeah.
So it runs down.
You're like, yo, she split him.
ari shaffir
Wow.
big jay oakerson
Hard.
And they drag it.
And then, but this is what's amazing.
This is Texas, dude, which I love.
While that's happening, we're like, oh, shit.
And we're like, number 68. Oreo milkshake.
Oreo shake!
ari shaffir
They see it every weekend.
unidentified
Dude, having a girl like that in your life can get you killed.
big jay oakerson
Dude, my ex-wife, one of our early dates.
joe rogan
Or get you put in jail for killing somebody, like one of those guys.
unidentified
Yeah.
ari shaffir
We went outside, me and Lister and Cantor were out there, and we saw a guy holding a purse and a girl trying to wrestle it from him.
And then Cantor's like, we gotta go out and say something.
And so we went out, they were like, ma'am, are you alright?
She goes, mind your own fucking business!
And then Cantor's like, dude, she's gonna get you killed.
And then we just walked back in.
joe rogan
Who said you should do that?
ari shaffir
I stayed inside.
joe rogan
Unless it gets violent, I'm not doing shit.
big jay oakerson
Just screaming and arguing because they'll go after you.
joe rogan
That's what cops always say.
Almost 100% of the time.
big jay oakerson
Yeah, to be that guy, I don't think I've done it, but I've definitely watched it backfire quick.
joe rogan
It's fucking dangerous.
big jay oakerson
It's like, hey dude, I think the lady wants to be left alone.
And she's like, fuck off!
joe rogan
That's what cops say.
Cops say when they show up, sometimes the women will attack them.
ari shaffir
We're fighting.
Get out of here.
joe rogan
Yeah, it's fucking scary.
big jay oakerson
I was just wearing them out.
I was getting ready to take the late rounds.
joe rogan
People lose their fucking minds when they fight with each other.
The cops always say that the scariest thing is going to a domestic case.
unidentified
Yeah.
big jay oakerson
Oh, yeah.
It's the most emotion, yeah.
joe rogan
Both of them are fucking drunk.
Someone's got a gun.
Guy runs into the room.
You don't know what the fuck to do.
You're a cop.
You're standing there.
The guy comes out with the gun.
Oh, Jesus fucking Christ.
Do you shoot him?
Like, what are you doing here?
big jay oakerson
See, I think the fear of that situation, though.
joe rogan
How scary is that?
ari shaffir
Because he's so enraged because of his fucking wife.
joe rogan
Oh, my God.
And you're a cop.
You've got to fucking assess this, like, instantaneously.
What the fuck?
You know...
You get some information from the phone, right?
On the way in, the office tells you.
But once you get there, like, fuck.
ari shaffir
I'd lay everybody on the floor instantly, every time, no matter what.
Get on your fucking face.
Get on your fucking face right now.
joe rogan
That's the Israeli in them.
ari shaffir
Clear every room, and then be like, alright, now let's talk.
joe rogan
Navy SEAL style.
ari shaffir
Yep, exactly.
Take no chances.
joe rogan
Well, you'd kill a lot more people that way.
ari shaffir
By doing that?
joe rogan
Yeah, for sure, because people would definitely...
big jay oakerson
Fight back on their back.
joe rogan
Some people can calm people down.
Some people can calm people down.
ari shaffir
I'm not that guy.
joe rogan
But some people you can't calm down.
Some people, like, you can get into some guys on PCP and they're fucking full rage.
big jay oakerson
When you're holding a gun on them, they don't give a shit.
ari shaffir
Yeah, wow.
joe rogan
You're not going to be able to calm them down.
Well, some people also want to die.
unidentified
Oof.
joe rogan
There's that.
And, like, they want to die by cop.
That's a real thing, too.
big jay oakerson
Suicide by cop.
joe rogan
Yeah, it's a real thing.
ari shaffir
It's grand.
big jay oakerson
Yeah, they give it to him, too.
ari shaffir
Yeah.
joe rogan
They give it to him.
I mean, and for the cop, the cop's got to deal with that.
big jay oakerson
I know.
It's funny when, uh, man, I forget what it was I was watching years ago.
It was a guy that was trying to do that.
Suicide by cop.
And they had, uh, it wasn't even, like, in America, they had a sniper.
Oh, Jesus Christ.
Like, a rooftop away across the street or something.
And he was describing, like, when the guy was holding the gun, and he kept, like, he just noticed that he mimicked emotion more than once.
Like, kind of naturally, he kept doing the same thing with the gun.
And, like, the fourth time he raised the gun up, he shoots the gun out of his hand.
And then the guy just goes and, like, lays down.
ari shaffir
Oh, wow.
big jay oakerson
It's pretty wild.
joe rogan
Oh, I saw that.
big jay oakerson
That's insane.
He wanted to die, but when that guy showed up his hands, he just realized how he's like, holy shit!
What the fuck just happened?
joe rogan
You don't even know what you're asking for.
big jay oakerson
That kind of a skill is...
ari shaffir
What a shot!
joe rogan
That's crazy.
ari shaffir
He's like, I might as well just try it.
big jay oakerson
Yeah, there it is.
joe rogan
Oh, that guy's prone, too.
unidentified
Nice.
joe rogan
Oh, jeez, he shot it right out of his fucking hand.
unidentified
What the f...
big jay oakerson
Mikey McKiernan?
ari shaffir
He looks like...
joe rogan
Shot it right out of his hand.
That guy's so lucky.
He has fingers.
He's lucky in every way, shape, and...
That guy should play the lottery right after that.
You're a lucky bitch.
You should be dead.
You shouldn't have any fingers.
big jay oakerson
If it was Dog the Bounty Hunter arresting him, he would have let him get some lottery tickets.
ari shaffir
Stop on the way home.
joe rogan
Is that what he does with people?
big jay oakerson
He would hold their cigarette for them while they smoke, handcuffed.
joe rogan
Oh, would he really?
big jay oakerson
Talk to them about God.
He'd let them look at his wife's big fat titties.
joe rogan
Big fat ones.
big jay oakerson
Rest in peace with those big fat titties.
unidentified
Oh, she's dead?
big jay oakerson
Yeah, I think he's already moved on to another chick.
joe rogan
What do you want him to do?
Wait?
big jay oakerson
No.
joe rogan
He's Dog the Bounty Hunter.
ari shaffir
That's awesome, though.
big jay oakerson
First of all, she was awesome.
joe rogan
How old is that guy?
ari shaffir
How old's Dog?
big jay oakerson
Probably close to 70. Yeah, I mean, it's a hard life.
joe rogan
You're fucking banging on doors, getting fugitives.
Every day is a risk.
big jay oakerson
I can't believe for the, let's say, class of people they were, that there's not a loose picture of Beth Chapman's titties in the world at all.
joe rogan
He's 70. The dude's 70. Look at him with his hair, with the sunglasses.
What an amazing picture.
ari shaffir
He never lost that fucking hair.
joe rogan
That is such an American person.
ari shaffir
Oh my lord.
joe rogan
I mean, Doc the Bounty Hunter might be the most American guy that's ever lived.
Look at the gold chain hanging from his neck.
unidentified
The Oakleys.
joe rogan
The Oakleys.
big jay oakerson
He's got a red flare chest.
joe rogan
The bleach blonde, long ass, beautiful hair for an old dude.
unidentified
Beautiful hair.
joe rogan
For an old dude, I mean, he's got some rocker hair from the 80s.
ari shaffir
Red skin.
joe rogan
He's got some poison hair.
Look at his skin.
Leather.
ari shaffir
Leathery.
joe rogan
Fuck your sunscreen.
unidentified
Dog the bounty hunter has never even touched sunscreen.
ari shaffir
It's got chemicals in it.
joe rogan
That dude is just taking sun in the mug.
big jay oakerson
What was the recent crime that he jumped in on, put his name out there?
ari shaffir
Yeah.
joe rogan
What happened?
big jay oakerson
Was it Petito?
jamie vernon
He was looking for the kid who was missing in Florida with a girlfriend.
big jay oakerson
Oh, yeah, yeah.
The guy, the van life.
The van life couple.
joe rogan
They want to kill her and kill themselves?
big jay oakerson
No.
They just show news, and it's just Dog the Bounty Hunter knocking on doors with a piece of paper.
Like, have you seen this?
He just went solo, boots to the ground.
In America somewhere?
joe rogan
With the cameras conveniently knowing where he was?
ari shaffir
We'll find out.
joe rogan
What are the odds that they know where he is?
Just exactly in the middle of a city.
unidentified
What does it say?
big jay oakerson
He's knocking on doors.
He goes, do you know this guy?
He goes, yeah, everyone does.
He's on the news.
joe rogan
Yeah.
Yeah, that was a scary case.
ari shaffir
Which one was that?
joe rogan
They got pulled over by the cops, and they had been in some sort of a domestic squabble.
Again, domestic fights, right?
ari shaffir
Squabble's a great word.
joe rogan
I don't know what the details were of it, but the cops let them go.
big jay oakerson
Well, in the rarest of situations...
ari shaffir
And then they did what?
big jay oakerson
I'm saying, but in the rarest of situations, they...
I don't think this happens a lot, but the girl was crying and telling her story, and then the guy was telling his side of the story, like, behind the thing with the cops, and the cops were definitely, like, more on his world of, like, it's chicks, right?
I mean, we're in small spaces, you know, they act, and he's like, yeah, sure.
I mean, they're not...
I don't want to sandbag the cops and say, but it is, like, for whatever's going on, she was...
Hyper emotional and screaming and crying and he was like kind of like bickering about whatever you know this this and then they just they let him go and then what they do probably a sociopath right yeah yeah he probably figured out how to con the cops and he killed her he killed her right after yeah he killed her and then either he killed himself it's it's hard to know because I think like the alligators got to him Oh, shit.
joe rogan
I think when they found his body, he had been consumed.
big jay oakerson
Oh, yeah, he was all...
joe rogan
Yeah, I think some things had consumed him.
It might be pigs, too.
There's a lot of wild pigs out there.
But the pigs will eat everything.
They'll eat your bones, man.
They'll eat everything.
If you leave a body where pigs are, that's the thing about Snatch.
ari shaffir
We had a forensic psychologist on Kill Tony yesterday.
We asked him if that was a good way to kill people.
joe rogan
The remains were described as skeletal.
We're confirmed using dental records.
ari shaffir
Oh, Brian Laundrie.
That's a different one.
joe rogan
No, that's the guy.
big jay oakerson
That's the guy.
ari shaffir
Oh, that's the Brian Laundrie.
joe rogan
Yeah, that's the guy.
So he was consumed.
So it probably wasn't pigs.
It was probably rats.
big jay oakerson
He was found.
joe rogan
No, gators would swallow you whole.
ari shaffir
Yeah, good point.
big jay oakerson
He was found, dare I say, through no help of Dog the Bounty Hunter.
ari shaffir
Yeah, remember when they couldn't find him?
There was a national manhunt on for him.
joe rogan
Yeah.
big jay oakerson
And he was just out in the woods.
joe rogan
The Everglades are so crazy.
Do you know the Everglades, 99% of all the mammals are missing?
Really?
99%.
Yeah.
ari shaffir
Dude, I went...
You know how when you're driving on the highway, you'll stop like there's a green belt or some hike or something?
So I did that at a rest stop.
In Florida, though, driving across the state.
And to go into the woods, you have to open up a giant gate that's like 20 feet high, then a barrier, like the Berlin Wall, then another 20 foot high fence, and you go in, and there's like a path and a sign, and it said like, don't do this alone.
There's fucking panthers everywhere.
So you have to be with somebody, and then I just turn around and left.
joe rogan
So they're probably thriving, but they need stuff to eat.
And the problem is, everything's been killed by pythons.
There's a half a million pythons.
That are in the Everglades right now.
And there's also people spotted Nile crocodiles.
They don't think that Nile crocodiles are a breeding pair.
They think somebody might have had one and let it loose.
And if that's the case, it survived.
But if they have a shoot on site, like if you see Nile crocodiles start popping, they get 20 feet long and they eat fucking zebras.
unidentified
Damn.
big jay oakerson
Well, they show those things that are walking across golf courses and stuff.
joe rogan
No, no, no.
These are way scarier.
Because crocodiles will eat you.
Alligators will leave you the fuck alone for the most part.
They could eat you.
They might eat you if you're swimming.
big jay oakerson
Right.
joe rogan
But crocodiles will go after you.
Like, they eat people.
Like, crocodiles in Africa, the Nile crocodiles that we're talking about, my friend Jim Shockey, he's a professional hunter, they sent him To Africa to kill these crocodiles because they were killing so many villagers.
Everyone in the villager was like missing a hand.
ari shaffir
Is that the one where the boat turns over?
Is those crocodiles in the boat and they just keep pulling the boat down?
joe rogan
That was the guy in a kayak.
Yeah, that was in some magazine, that story.
ari shaffir
45 years old.
He just got along and then it flips it over.
joe rogan
Yeah, the crocodile swam up to the kayak, flipped it over and pulled him out of the kayak and swallowed him whole.
ari shaffir
But what else?
Legs were still in there, he was pulling it out.
The kayak just keeps sinking as he's being chewed alive.
joe rogan
Bro, they are monsters.
They are monsters.
And here's the crazy thing.
The pythons are such monsters that they're eating the alligators.
unidentified
Duh.
joe rogan
Pythons, they found a dead python with a 12-foot alligator inside of its body.
big jay oakerson
Oh, I just saw that.
joe rogan
It's bananas.
I don't know how big the allergy was.
I might have exaggerated the size of the allergy.
big jay oakerson
It's a good place to get rid of a body, the Glades.
That's where those kids from that Bully movie, the true story of that, they dumped in the Everglades.
And the only reason they got caught was because they were young, dumb teenagers who just kept telling people.
joe rogan
No, they just kept telling people.
big jay oakerson
Like one person would go, he goes, alright, don't tell anybody else, but like, we all killed the bully yesterday.
joe rogan
Of course they did.
big jay oakerson
And they couldn't stop telling.
That's my favorite.
That movie is made by that Larry Clark guy who makes all of the...
ari shaffir
Gummo?
big jay oakerson
Yes, like Gummo, those kind of Harmony Corrine type guys.
They make all those shitty kid movies.
And so the movie's made to be...
It's very sexually explicit.
It's a very attractive cast.
And then when you look into the story at all and they show it, it's like a fat Samoan guy.
Everyone's like a Florida pig that they thought they were going to be.
I'm like, what are all these sexy kids fucking and killing each other for?
And they're just all just outcast awful looking people.
ari shaffir
Yeah, the ones who have no other options.
This is my friend group.
joe rogan
That's so interesting.
big jay oakerson
Michael Pitt was a character in that, that handsome little son of a bitch, Bijou Phillips, Rachel Minor.
joe rogan
That's always weird when they have a movie and you see what the real person looked like and then you see them.
Like when, what's her face, Catherine Zeta-Jones played Giselda Blanco.
Giselle DeBlanco, you know, the cocaine queen, that crazy bitch from...
big jay oakerson
The Godmother or whatever they call you.
joe rogan
Yeah, she was terrifying.
She was in those cocaine cowboys documentaries.
unidentified
Yeah.
joe rogan
When then you see Catherine Zeta-Jones, perfect, hot as the fucking sun playing her.
big jay oakerson
How about they couldn't...
They do that scream where it just switches right at the end of blow.
They couldn't...
With movie makeup...
And all the time in the world, they couldn't make Johnny Depp as ugly as George Young.
They just couldn't do it.
ari shaffir
He shines through everything.
unidentified
He's too perfect.
big jay oakerson
Somebody saw that in movie theaters, and they went to that picture of him.
Somebody went, throw mama from the train.
And then they realized he does absolutely look like throw mama from the train.
Mama Fratelli.
ari shaffir
Oh, really?
That's great.
big jay oakerson
Yeah, dude.
He was really crazy.
And again, he was gorgeous Johnny Depp the whole movie.
ari shaffir
Remember when they got that hot lady to play Monster?
What's her name?
big jay oakerson
Charlize Theron.
ari shaffir
Do you think the rest of Hollywood is like, can you just hire one of the ugly ones?
big jay oakerson
No one fights for the ugly people to get their roles.
Why are you hiring pretties to play our roles?
ari shaffir
She has to get gross to do this.
joe rogan
Who's it put on the movie for the Dark Knight, not the Dark Knight, the Batman, the new Batman?
Was it Colin Farrell, that handsome fella?
unidentified
The penguin?
joe rogan
Yeah, see what they did with him?
Well, that's a good one, but Charlize Theron actually turned herself ugly for that movie.
ari shaffir
She's hot as fuck!
joe rogan
She's hot as fuck.
I've seen her in real life.
She's fucking hot.
And she decided to gain like a hundred pounds or whatever the fuck it is and shave her eyebrows off and make herself look like shit.
What did I ask you to look up?
Yeah, this guy.
Say he played the penguin.
He's a handsome fella.
And they put some crazy shit on him and got rid of his hair and made his face prosthetic, give him like a fat face.
Like, that's him in the penguin.
I mean, he don't look anything like himself.
ari shaffir
That's just prosthetics.
joe rogan
Yeah.
ari shaffir
Charlize Theron just did it.
joe rogan
Yeah, yeah, yeah.
Big difference.
Big difference.
Those people that do that, like, for a movie...
ari shaffir
The Machinist, when he got to become, like, an anorexic?
joe rogan
Damn!
big jay oakerson
It's killing Tom Hanks.
He has, like, does he have, like, bad diabetes and shit from doing that?
joe rogan
From what?
big jay oakerson
I think from, like, jumping up and down weights for characters.
joe rogan
Really?
big jay oakerson
Yeah.
ari shaffir
I heard he got AIDS in Philadelphia.
joe rogan
No, that's not true, Ari.
big jay oakerson
Not the movie, just in the city.
unidentified
That place is teeming with AIDS. Yeah, he had a bad cheesesteak.
ari shaffir
It was influential.
joe rogan
What is, uh...
What were we just Googling?
Whether or not Tom Hanks really has diabetes.
That doesn't make sense.
unidentified
We'd say kidney problems, maybe.
big jay oakerson
I think his health has been like...
joe rogan
Oh, he has a family history of diabetes.
So, he's always had it.
Did he go up and down for roles a lot?
big jay oakerson
He would be thinner, yeah, for sure.
I mean, like, especially, he was a little older when he did, like, Cast Away and had to get, like, gaunt.
joe rogan
Well, I know McConaughey.
unidentified
You know what I mean?
big jay oakerson
And he's been, like, happy, yeah.
joe rogan
When McConaughey did Dallas Buyer's Club, he got fucked up.
big jay oakerson
Yeah.
joe rogan
That hurt him.
Yeah, that hurt him.
He had a hard time, like, recovering from that.
Like, you're basically on death's door.
You know, you're letting your body eat itself.
That's what happens.
People don't realize how scary that is.
unidentified
Like, for a person to do that for a movie, like, It's so inconsequential, really.
big jay oakerson
Just to entertain people for two hours.
joe rogan
Like what Homeboy did with The Machinist, Christian Bale.
He got to death's door, man.
You ever see that?
big jay oakerson
Oh, yeah, yeah.
That was a wild one.
joe rogan
He looked so bad.
big jay oakerson
Yeah, it was crazy.
joe rogan
He looked even worse than McConaughey did in Dallas Buyers Club.
big jay oakerson
Yeah.
It was easy to take his shirt off and it was all spindly like that.
joe rogan
Yeah.
But he came and played Batman like six months later.
He got on the song.
big jay oakerson
Well, I mean, that was after American Psycho, where he was, like, jacked.
joe rogan
Jacked, yeah.
But it's just that image of him in The Machinist, like, where his arms are splayed by a bird.
ari shaffir
He was so anorexic.
joe rogan
Yeah, that one.
Like, dude, he looks like he's on death's door.
Like, that looks like a person who's been starved in a concentration camp.
Look at him.
ari shaffir
He must have been so proud of himself when he was doing that suck-in thing.
joe rogan
It's very crazy to do.
He seems to be okay with it, but like I said, I know McConaughey really got hurt from Dallas Buyers Club.
He had a really hard time getting back from that.
unidentified
Damn.
joe rogan
It's not a joke, man.
Your body's eating itself.
Like, to do that for a movie.
So it's one thing to get fat.
Like, Mark Wahlberg got fat for a movie recently.
big jay oakerson
Really?
joe rogan
Yeah, he just ate, like, fucking 30,000 calories a day, and he gained 30 pounds, big gut.
But then he lost it again.
ari shaffir
See that SNL sketch?
joe rogan
Not good for you, but it's still probably better for you than almost dying of starvation.
I'd rather be that.
He's obviously a very disciplined guy.
He's going to lose the weight and get back.
ari shaffir
Also, he's not that bad.
joe rogan
But it's not as dangerous.
big jay oakerson
Does he have a third nipple?
joe rogan
It's not good, though.
ari shaffir
Does he?
big jay oakerson
I think he has a third nipple.
ari shaffir
Let's see.
Yeah.
big jay oakerson
Yeah.
That's a third nipple.
joe rogan
No, it's a mole, you fucking...
big jay oakerson
No, I think it's a third nipple.
ari shaffir
It's got an aerial.
big jay oakerson
When it's got the little white in the middle.
joe rogan
Come on.
big jay oakerson
It's a third nipple.
I had a friend in high school, same thing.
joe rogan
This is a conspiracy theory that is unfounded.
ari shaffir
That's for sure.
big jay oakerson
I bet someone has said that before.
joe rogan
Unfounded conspiracy theories.
ari shaffir
We've had the proof.
joe rogan
We cannot have those.
ari shaffir
We saw the proof.
big jay oakerson
Does Donnie have the same third nipple?
Is this a thing in the family?
Is that what Wahlbergers mean?
ari shaffir
That's a third nipple for sure.
big jay oakerson
This guy's got a third nipple.
joe rogan
It is a third nipple.
ari shaffir
Wow.
joe rogan
Did you already know this?
ari shaffir
Good find.
joe rogan
Mark Wahlberg, third nipple.
You knew.
big jay oakerson
No, I saw it.
ari shaffir
You just saw it.
joe rogan
Wow.
Would you assume that a vain man would get that removed or maybe that's the best one to suck on?
big jay oakerson
Ooh.
The most sensitive.
ari shaffir
Yeah.
joe rogan
Maybe that little one is wild.
ari shaffir
Yeah.
The god nipple.
joe rogan
Oh, look at a clit nipple.
ari shaffir
It tells the future.
joe rogan
Yeah, that one's the one.
Just rub it.
unidentified
Rub it.
joe rogan
It's like when the teacher put his thumb on their head and made him go to excess.
Just tweak that one nipple.
big jay oakerson
Oh, yeah.
I wonder if a third one has nipple reaction, like the tightening of the areole and the loosening up.
ari shaffir
Why is it never a full nipple?
It's always just like leftover.
joe rogan
Right, like an extra finger is not like the biggest finger.
ari shaffir
The Danny DeVito nipple.
joe rogan
If you have two thumbs.
How would you know which one it is?
ari shaffir
Yeah.
Wait, yeah, maybe like, no, no, this is the fake nipple.
This was my second.
joe rogan
You know, if you lose a pinky, you lose like the majority of the power in your hand.
Like a large amount.
I think it's something like 50% of the strength of your hand.
Imagine how strong you'd be if you had all index fingers.
All index in this finger.
Like, this is a bitch-ass finger.
big jay oakerson
And it takes away 50% of your power.
joe rogan
This little finger works out all the fucking time.
It's still weak as fuck.
Look at this little bitch.
Nothing.
ari shaffir
It's only good for making you look gay while you drink, too.
joe rogan
These fingers are strong as fuck.
unidentified
Yeah.
joe rogan
And that's, like, imagine if you had a hand of only these fingers.
ari shaffir
Yeah.
joe rogan
Like, what is this pinky doing?
ari shaffir
How close are we to that?
joe rogan
Like, is it, am I using that very often?
Do I need a dainty, I can do dainty shit with these.
Why do I have a dainty little bitch-ass finger?
big jay oakerson
It makes the base of my wiener feel thick.
ari shaffir
Oh, okay.
big jay oakerson
Use.
unidentified
Use.
joe rogan
There you go.
big jay oakerson
I try to flip a break.
Maybe that's it.
joe rogan
For guys who jerk off like this.
ari shaffir
For propagation of the, yeah.
big jay oakerson
The taper down effect.
ari shaffir
Gentle.
joe rogan
Yeah.
If you're a gentleman, you jerk off like you're drinking tea.
With a pinky out.
ari shaffir
Yeah.
Remember when this was the worst social thing you could do by accident?
joe rogan
Have a pinky out?
ari shaffir
Oh no!
joe rogan
Your friends would mock you.
ari shaffir
We saw him!
unidentified
Yeah.
joe rogan
I think that might be just us.
If regular guys are drinking coffee, I bet they do this all the time.
They don't even think about it.
ari shaffir
Yeah, exactly.
joe rogan
They don't think someone's gonna jump all over them and mock them.
ari shaffir
Why would that be a problem?
big jay oakerson
The comedian Pete Dominick told me a story years ago in Vegas about I don't know if it was somebody finding out that somebody else in the school jerked off different than everybody or him.
ari shaffir
Yeah.
big jay oakerson
But it was like...
But you know the rumor, those bullshit rumors that go around every school?
Some girl had a dog, eat her pussy, and someone jerked off in school or something.
Yeah.
This was the whatever got caught jerking off in school, whoever the kid was.
And when everyone was making fun of him, they're like, ah, you see, Steve was jerking off in school.
And he said, one kid was like, yeah, Steve, you were jerking off.
And he goes, that's when everyone just goes, hang on, Steve.
ari shaffir
Wait.
big jay oakerson
What?
ari shaffir
He was doing what?
joe rogan
What is this knuckles up thing you're doing, you fucking weirdo?
big jay oakerson
That's how you find out.
He goes, ah, you guys are jerking off.
unidentified
Nah, nah, nah.
ari shaffir
He was on top one second, on the bottom of the next second.
joe rogan
It's hilarious.
Isn't that funny that we'll judge someone on the method they use to jerk off?
ari shaffir
Yeah, like you're out of the group.
joe rogan
How weird is that?
How weird is it that this bothers you?
ari shaffir
Yeah, because you don't jerk off with anybody.
Why should it even matter?
joe rogan
It seems like hyper-aggressive, like, ah.
big jay oakerson
I've seen it in pornography and it bothers me.
And I say, he's doing it wrong, which isn't true.
joe rogan
But if it works, that was a good choice.
big jay oakerson
Exactly.
To get you there, I'm like, nah, you don't even know the sweet, pure pleasure of going the other way.
joe rogan
It's like a guy who's got an unorthodox pitch.
ari shaffir
Yeah.
big jay oakerson
Or also, though, he might like his pressure low.
Because, again, we're talking about the pinky finger versus the ring finger.
ari shaffir
No, they would just lay off.
How low are we talking about?
big jay oakerson
I feel like if you're doing it this way, you're more fucking a hole that's empty on the other side, where you can fuck the full pussy of your fist the other direction.
ari shaffir
You could also just be like rubbing the dick against your hand, no pressure, for slower.
big jay oakerson
That's crazy.
ari shaffir
Is it crazy to enjoy what you're doing?
big jay oakerson
No, what you're doing is crazy.
joe rogan
Like you're cradling it.
ari shaffir
Yeah, you're cradling.
Just, you know, that's what Rock the Cradle of Love was about.
big jay oakerson
I've heard stories of guys who their jerk off is to fuck their own thigh in bed, basically.
joe rogan
No, no, no.
Don't do that.
ari shaffir
That was me when I was little.
I would just rub it against my jeans.
joe rogan
Don't do that.
big jay oakerson
Is that the restrict act?
They're going to get us for spreading bad information?
joe rogan
That's bad information.
ari shaffir
What if they take away that act?
joe rogan
Imagine if that fucking act passes through and they go through old podcasts.
Everybody's going to jail.
ari shaffir
Oh boy, I'm fucked.
joe rogan
Everyone's going to jail.
big jay oakerson
Yeah.
If you said anything negative about a candidate.
joe rogan
Anything negative about the government.
ari shaffir
Because it's still up, so it's still doing the thing.
joe rogan
Yeah, the whole thing is spooky, man.
It's spooky that they just keep wanting more and more control.
It's just like we were talking about with cult leaders.
It starts off, they're kind of okay, and then after a while they go crazy, and then they push it to see how far they can do it.
I think that's a pattern with human beings.
I think that's a pattern in the government.
I think that's a pattern in cults.
ari shaffir
Comedy Central used to do that when they were like, hey, this material, we own the material forever, not just the recording.
And then you'd have to go, no, and they're like, okay, well, we had to ask.
joe rogan
We had to try.
ari shaffir
Yeah, and it's like, why even try?
joe rogan
Yeah, well...
The problem is you're an artist, and when you mix art with business, stuff gets very slippery.
big jay oakerson
I hate it.
I don't know how to do any of it.
ari shaffir
Yeah, you're pretty much useless with that.
joe rogan
Yeah, but it's also one of the reasons why you're so fucking funny.
I think it all goes together, man.
I don't think those people that are really good at crunching numbers are the funniest folks.
ari shaffir
You should have seen this.
It was like, Jay, I need your notes on this edit.
And he's like, okay, well, I've got to see my daughter tomorrow.
I was like, Jay, put it on and watch it now!
big jay oakerson
I did not want to watch it.
ari shaffir
Oh my god.
You didn't want to do anything.
big jay oakerson
I did not want to watch it.
Sometimes on the edits, it doesn't matter now.
It's out now and I've seen it and I'm very happy with it.
But sometimes I go, we need your notes on the edits.
And I'd go, and then I'd go to click the email and watch it again.
And I would see Ari's copious notes.
His wonderful notes.
And I would go...
I'm almost one at random.
I go, I don't know how I feel about his third note, but I pretty much agree with all...
I was going to call you guys, but it's all pretty much that.
joe rogan
Yeah, let a friend edit it.
That's a good move, actually.
ari shaffir
He did, eventually.
joe rogan
Someone who's a good editor, let a friend edit it.
ari shaffir
Yeah, we got Cotter to edit it.
joe rogan
Not a bad idea.
big jay oakerson
He was right on everything you say when he'd go, I don't know about this.
And I'd go, sure.
You know better than I do.
Like, let's do it.
ari shaffir
Yeah.
joe rogan
Well, we set the club up so that he could film there all the time.
unidentified
Which is great.
joe rogan
We set the club up so there's three angles in every room.
ari shaffir
There'd be a lot of specials.
joe rogan
Yeah, that's the goal.
The goal is, like, to let people, like, look, everybody knows now, and Ari, you're a great testament to that.
You need one fucking banging special on YouTube and then you're off to the races.
ari shaffir
People can see it.
It's legit.
Everyone hears everybody on podcasts.
Matt Edgar says this.
You introduce a friend on a podcast.
Hey, he's a really funny guy, a really funny guy.
And then you're at home going, can you prove that?
joe rogan
Right.
ari shaffir
Is there any proof of that out there?
joe rogan
Well, at a certain point, they trust you.
Like, I've never lied once.
Like, I've had a lot of people that I really...
I like them, but they're just not that funny.
unidentified
Right.
joe rogan
I just can't...
I can't help you.
ari shaffir
Yeah.
joe rogan
You know, it's like...
Whatever it is.
big jay oakerson
That's a tough thing in doing comedy as long as I have is seeing somebody...
joe rogan
It's not fun.
big jay oakerson
...who's seeing somebody, especially when you like them and like a friend, you're like, oh, I don't know if you have the basic...
joe rogan
No.
big jay oakerson
Because even people...
ari shaffir
Basic what?
Like habit?
big jay oakerson
A good example, I've been doing comedy longer than Lewis and Dave from Skanks.
But when I was, you know, whatever, eight years in and they were just starting...
joe rogan
Someone's going hard.
big jay oakerson
I'd watch them.
When it was eight years in, I'd watch them and...
They were funny on stage, but I saw their lack of experience, wasn't it?
But I could see right away.
I'm like, no, you guys have like...
ari shaffir
You know what you're doing.
big jay oakerson
I wasn't worried about them.
I was like, you guys are going to be fine.
You're a very funny guy.
I don't know what level they go to necessarily, but I was like, you'll be around comedy.
ari shaffir
You're not a lunatic.
big jay oakerson
Yeah, and then there's some people where you're like, damn, I love this guy.
Then you watch them and you go, oh...
ari shaffir
Zero chance.
big jay oakerson
He's such a nice person.
joe rogan
There's a bunch of those.
unidentified
Oh, this hurts.
joe rogan
It's unfortunate, you know, because sometimes you become friends with them before you see their set.
ari shaffir
Yeah.
joe rogan
And then you see them and they want to come on your podcast or they want to, you know, hey, you know, I know you're doing a show in Minneapolis.
I'm actually from there.
I'd love to open for you.
ari shaffir
Yeah.
joe rogan
We've got a problem.
ari shaffir
I'm already there.
No, no, no.
joe rogan
You kind of have to have a real conversation with them.
Otherwise, it's going to keep coming up.
But you've got to kind of figure out a way to say it in a way that's...
Fortunately, I haven't had to do that to too many people.
big jay oakerson
Yeah, I'm not that person at all.
joe rogan
Just take it.
big jay oakerson
I'll absolutely take it.
joe rogan
I never asked someone if I could go with them on the road.
I never did.
And all the guys that I took on the road with me, I asked.
ari shaffir
Thank you.
joe rogan
I was like a doorman.
He was a dude that I knew at the club that was just starting out and I knew he had potential.
I would see his late night sets and every now and then he'd hit a spark and I'd be like, ah!
It was just like you were figuring it out.
And then I took you to Denver one time and you fucking murdered.
ari shaffir
That was my first road thing.
joe rogan
Murdered.
It was the first time Ari was ever in front of 350 people who were so happy to see a show.
ari shaffir
It was like, what the fuck is comedy?
And he murdered.
joe rogan
He murdered.
big jay oakerson
That's a high bar set.
ari shaffir
Everybody shows up at Comedy Works and they're like, it's my first show.
I'm like, oh, they won't be as good as this.
joe rogan
Well, you had been running with weights on, right?
Because you'd been doing those late night spots where if you're a beginner and you're going on after like five killers in a row, the audience just leaves.
Like big chunks of them leave and you get this like dead sort of crap.
big jay oakerson
All my New York chops are.
I followed Dave Attell.
I said I followed Dave Attell at the Comedy Cellar for 10 years straight, 12 years straight.
Every night, pretty much.
joe rogan
That's the only way.
big jay oakerson
But it's funny you almost say the same thing.
It was like Attell asked me if I wanted to go on the road with him and start doing stuff.
And then he would call me to...
ari shaffir
Wow.
big jay oakerson
I would feel weird to go, hey, can I do whatever with him?
ari shaffir
I would never ask anybody.
No fucking way.
joe rogan
You can't ask.
Someone will ask you.
If you ask, it becomes a thing.
And now someone's not hiring you because they want to, they're hiring you because you asked.
I mean, it's not like we don't know you're a professional comedian.
big jay oakerson
If you ever need anybody is a funny one.
unidentified
How many people can you take on the road?
ari shaffir
I can't find a comic?
What do you mean, if I ever need one?
big jay oakerson
Also worked at John Carden's a comic from here in Austin.
He was in Phoenix before this, and he opened for me one time there.
We've never lived in the same state or anything, but he's on the road with me a ton.
That weekend...
joe rogan
Yeah.
big jay oakerson
He does a killer job.
I'm happy to promote him.
joe rogan
It's like going on vacation with someone.
I want to go on vacation with you.
We go on vacation, we're gonna have a good time.
If you and I just went to Maui and just fucking drank piña coladas and fucked around the ocean, we'd have a great time.
We'd have laughs all day long.
But not all comics.
Like some comics you went to Maui with, you're like, yeah, man, I'm gonna go to the gym.
You'd be in your room watching fucking Netflix.
Just waiting.
In paradise, going, ugh.
You know?
Like some people you don't want to talk to.
ari shaffir
We went to Anchorage for four days and we did our show.
joe rogan
Yeah, we had a great fucking time.
We went fishing.
We hung around.
We did a fun show, though.
ari shaffir
It was fun show.
joe rogan
I think we had two shows.
Did we have two shows?
ari shaffir
Maybe two in one night.
Yeah, because we waited enough.
No, it was another place.
We waited in a turned-out bus in between shows.
joe rogan
It was dope.
They were like robust people.
Like I was impressed with them.
Like everyone had character.
It was very interesting.
big jay oakerson
Anchorage is wild.
joe rogan
Like the level of character that the average guy has in Anchorage is above normal.
Because they're around fucking moose and bears and it's frozen half the year.
ari shaffir
They all carry candles in their car?
unidentified
Yeah.
ari shaffir
Because if it goes off they gotta light that and keep it alive.
unidentified
Blankets and candles.
joe rogan
You keep blankets and candles in your car.
big jay oakerson
Fuck, no way.
joe rogan
Fuck, dude.
big jay oakerson
That was one of the first places that Chilcoo Charlie's out there that would headline me every year.
So before I was almost going anywhere in the lower 48, I was a regular there.
Every year I would go, they would have me.
I loved that place.
joe rogan
I love Alaska.
big jay oakerson
The chaos of that particular place, Chilcoo Charlie's, was insane.
It was like a powder keg.
That never went off.
It was a hip-hop room, an electronic dance club upstairs.
Downstairs, like a honky-tonk band.
And then they have another room that might have a pretty big actual metal band.
I think Godsmack had played there at one point.
It's like a couple hundred people.
And it looked like a log cabin from outside.
Very unassuming.
joe rogan
One of my favorite guys I ever interviewed on the show was this guy John Reeves, who owns a place called The Bone Yard in Alaska.
And this place in Alaska is this one spot that, for whatever reason, has tons and tons of bones.
Giant woolly mammoth tusks.
unidentified
What?
joe rogan
They've found animals from that area that weren't even supposed to be living there.
These different fucking lions and cats and bears and all these...
I mean, insane amounts.
And it's a small area.
It's just a few acres.
And he's got other areas on his...
He has an enormous property.
He's like a mining guy.
unidentified
Right.
joe rogan
Very wealthy, but like, down to earth.
Like a regular dude.
Smoked cigarettes on the podcast.
Fun fucking dude.
So he tells a story about how they dumped a bunch of fossils in the East River because they didn't have any storage from them.
Fossils that came from his land.
And so he was trying to get it back, and he got all this paperwork that shows where it was dumped.
So then he gives it out to the internet on the podcast.
So then these guys start swimming around in the fucking river, in the East River, and one of them finds a steppe bison jawbone.
So it's proof that some of that stuff did get into the East River.
At least that piece did.
So this guy finds it diving, looking around the bottom of the East River in that fucking toxic river.
ari shaffir
It's his.
joe rogan
And they pull out this thing.
So he pulls out this thing.
ari shaffir
Ew, his lips are exposing that shit.
joe rogan
Yeah, man.
His lips.
Well, he had the scuba thing on before.
See, he's got the thing that goes on his mouth.
He took it off when he got out of the water, but that's a step bison jawbone.
big jay oakerson
That's crazy.
How am I unassuming, by the way?
I would be like...
joe rogan
Well, that's a piece of it.
big jay oakerson
This isn't money.
joe rogan
It looks like when you see the full version, that lady has it in her hand.
ari shaffir
So what does that mean, that it's there?
joe rogan
See the full version, that lady has it in her hand.
That's what it looks like when it's fully connected.
So that was a deceased bison's jawbone.
So they have a shit ton of those out in this boneyard.
And this is something that they found in the East River.
So his story, it seems at least to be proved correct, that someone, at one point in time, dumped a bunch of these priceless fossils in the East River because they just didn't have any storage.
In the 1930s, was it?
Was it something like that?
It was like the 1930s.
big jay oakerson
It was much later for some reason because U-Haul bill was up.
joe rogan
I think back then they didn't even understand.
We got a bunch of these.
Fucking dump them.
They didn't understand how crazy it was what they had.
big jay oakerson
One of the times I was in Alaska, they took me and Dave Smith actually to the animal preserve area out there by the glaciers.
I'll tell you what, being a person who really mostly saw like wild animals only in a zoo before, the animals there, while majestic, are very, pretty worse for the wear.
Like, when you see a moose, it's not like a beautiful, like, it is, you know, the hordes, but when you get up to them, there's like scabs, like real, like, they've been in a fight or something.
They were nursing an eagle back to health.
Yeah, like real wilderness animals are like fucking, they're living a life.
joe rogan
They don't live long either, man.
ari shaffir
Yeah, this shit's around all the time.
joe rogan
Did you see that video of these two dirt bike riders and one of them fucks up and rides his dirt bike past a bear's den?
ari shaffir
No!
joe rogan
And doesn't realize it until the bear comes charging out of the den at him?
big jay oakerson
No.
joe rogan
Oh my god.
Let me find it, Jamie.
You got it.
You got it.
unidentified
Look at this.
ari shaffir
Look at this.
joe rogan
Bro.
Are you fucking kidding me?
ari shaffir
Oh my god.
big jay oakerson
We crashed it right there.
joe rogan
Yeah.
Look at this.
big jay oakerson
Holy shit.
joe rogan
Oh my god.
unidentified
Wow.
joe rogan
That guy revved his engine and that's probably what scared it off.
ari shaffir
The buddy's video statement.
joe rogan
Dude, that is death.
That is death.
Oh, you know how fucking terrifying that would be?
big jay oakerson
When they show that like people have been hit by like tiger claws.
I saw a video the other day.
It was like family was attacked by...
Maybe it was a panther or something, or a puma or something like that, but like, it looks like when you see the hits, they're always just, it almost looks like they're playful playing with you, but this from a tiger would just rip your face entirely off.
ari shaffir
It's like Tyson trying to pitty-pitty.
joe rogan
You don't understand.
You literally don't have any weapons.
They have weapons on every hand, and their face is a weapon, and their bite strength is so superior to yours, you couldn't even imagine it.
And they're so much stronger pound for pound than we are.
ari shaffir
And you're just playing defense?
You're not trying to win, you're trying to survive?
joe rogan
Did you ever have a regular house cat that you have a situation with?
big jay oakerson
He starts swinging at you.
joe rogan
I had a house cat that was feral, and I had to get him fixed because he was pissing in my house.
It was one of those things.
He was just spraying all over my house.
He was feral.
I got him when he was a kitten.
So a friend, she found a bunch of them underneath the apartment building, and her and her boyfriend gave them out to people, and I took one of them.
So I had this kitten, and literally I had to stay with it for several days alone in one of the bedrooms in my house to get it to be comfortable enough with me that it let me touch it.
I would go near it and it would hiss at me.
Climb the fucking drapes.
It was wild.
ari shaffir
Why did you take it home?
joe rogan
Because I was like, I was committed to this.
I was like, I'm going to make this work out.
I'm going to make this work out.
And so these cats, like when they start pissing the house, you have to get them fixed.
Because now they're going to do that all the time.
And I had to get them right when he first started doing it.
I saw him do it.
He lifted up his ass and he sprayed all over my bathroom like, you little motherfucker.
ari shaffir
I'm like, okay.
joe rogan
So I call my veterinarian and he says, how feral?
I go, he's fucking crazy feral.
I go, I'm the only one who can pet him.
And he's like, oh my god.
He's my friend.
Dr. Craig.
He was the shit.
And so he goes, you're going to have to capture it.
So I got it in the bathroom, and it's hissing at me and jumping on the counters like it knows I'm doing something.
And so I throw a blanket over this fucking thing.
And I wrap him up in a blanket, and I put him in a hamper, and I take him to the doctor.
And I'm like, good luck.
big jay oakerson
You can have the hamper in the bag.
joe rogan
Good luck.
He calls me when the operation's over, because it was right down the street from my house.
ari shaffir
How did he do it?
joe rogan
I go, how did you do it?
He's like, we managed.
It was not easy.
He's like, Jesus fucking Christ.
I go, I know.
He was a fun guy.
He was like, Jesus fucking Christ.
I go, yeah, he's feral.
But I could pick him up.
I could pick him up, and he would purr.
ari shaffir
He'd be okay.
joe rogan
Like, purr louder than any cat ever purred.
Like, so happy that he was okay.
He was safe.
Like, programmed in his mind when he was a bitty-bitty tiny baby.
It was like, the world is a scary place for a feral cat.
The world is a scary place for that.
big jay oakerson
You still have the cat?
joe rogan
No, he's dead now.
big jay oakerson
But became completely domesticated?
joe rogan
Not really.
No, it was only me.
big jay oakerson
Really?
joe rogan
Yeah, that was it.
No one else could touch him.
unidentified
Wow.
joe rogan
I could go up to him and go, come on, man, come on, man.
And I'd pick him up.
And he'd be alright.
He would even look at me like tense up when I would come near him.
But he knew.
I'm like, come on, man, come on, man.
I'd pick him up.
The purring was so loud.
It was so appreciative.
It was like sobbing love.
big jay oakerson
I'm a new pet person.
I never...
ari shaffir
You just got the first dog.
big jay oakerson
Gave a shit ever.
It wasn't that I didn't understand, but I definitely didn't have a full grip on when people were like...
Even when Ari got a dog.
I remember when Ari first got his dog.
ari shaffir
You didn't give a shit about my dog.
You always said, don't bring him, don't put him in the back seat.
You care more about the hair than the dog.
big jay oakerson
A lot of hair.
I still care about the hair with my own dog.
It's a thing.
joe rogan
My dog's a golden retriever.
It's fucking crazy here.
It's everywhere.
big jay oakerson
Yeah, it's always everywhere.
joe rogan
Especially in the summer.
big jay oakerson
I'm changing on that and getting much less...
ari shaffir
Caring.
big jay oakerson
Like wigged out about that.
unidentified
You just gotta brush him.
ari shaffir
You can't fight him.
joe rogan
You gotta brush him.
It's so worth it.
big jay oakerson
It's so worth it is what the thing is.
But it took us a couple months, me and the dog, to get like...
It was never that I thought the dog was awful.
It's the cutest dog I loved, but...
For the first couple months, I was like, I think we made a mistake in getting a dog.
joe rogan
He's shitting everywhere.
big jay oakerson
I was like, yo, I don't think I was prepared for what this was going to be.
ari shaffir
You had a bad dog, too.
He'd come to barbecues, and he'd always be up there with a hot dog in his mouth.
Like, get the fuck down!
And you tie him up and you find a way around and you get a paw just to get some fucking nuts.
joe rogan
How old was she when that was happening?
ari shaffir
Six months.
You can't do that.
big jay oakerson
She's a little over one now, but even now she's calming down.
She's great.
But I never had that feeling with an animal before.
joe rogan
It's totally different.
But imagine asking a six-month-old child to figure that out.
ari shaffir
Oh my god.
But they can't get onto the table.
joe rogan
That's the thing.
unidentified
They're incredibly agile for a six-month-old.
ari shaffir
Yeah.
joe rogan
Yeah, they're fucking awesome.
ari shaffir
I'm trying to fucking cook.
I'm on the grill.
Literally on the grill and he's jumping up trying to get it.
joe rogan
But wouldn't you?
Everybody loves you.
You're a puppy.
Wouldn't you think that that's yours?
big jay oakerson
I'm going to get that food.
joe rogan
That fucking hot dog smells delicious.
big jay oakerson
It smells like something I like.
joe rogan
Imagine what a hot dog smells like to a dog.
A hot dog smells good to you.
Imagine what it smells like to a dog.
It must be unstoppable.
Because dog food doesn't smell good.
ari shaffir
Does not.
It's grotesque.
big jay oakerson
But I'll tell you what I bought.
So they started opening dispensaries now in New York.
ari shaffir
Yeah.
big jay oakerson
And when I was in line, they got me CBD dog treats.
joe rogan
Getting your dog high.
big jay oakerson
And I mean, it's so...
I... Taking them away now a little bit more because It's addictive to me how fun it is Because you can give her this thing if you give her a whole biscuit Which is by the way the servings like you give them a like just like a dog treat looks a little bone or whatever She eats she takes it like a ritual.
She takes over to a certain spot and like chomps on it drops some of it picks it up And then you're almost like, she doesn't seem like anything.
And then 15 minutes later, she starts aimlessly walking around the living room.
And then it's just a drop out into sleep wherever she's at.
And just like down.
And like if you try to wait, you're like, hey Dawkins.
And she's like, she really does like the one eye, like the bloodshot eye.
I'm like, what?
And I'm like, man, that shit.
I've never seen something work so much.
joe rogan
That's amazing.
I wonder if it's how it affects them.
ari shaffir
They're just chill.
big jay oakerson
And by the way, she stopped falling asleep, so that's why I said I was pulling them away, because then she started not falling asleep.
She's staying awake, but she's being loopy.
Do you know what I mean?
She's just looking at you weird.
It's hilarious.
joe rogan
I think dogs can definitely get high.
ari shaffir
Yeah, for sure.
joe rogan
You know how I know?
Do you remember my dog, Lucy?
ari shaffir
Yeah, I think so.
joe rogan
She was the dog that I had.
It was a rescue dog.
Some friends of mine, they found this dog that was eating out of garbage cans, and they said, she's so sweet, but she's covered in mange.
ari shaffir
So I said, ah, okay.
You even go hunting for your dogs.
joe rogan
I just went, no!
It's like somebody called me up with a terrible sob story.
They know I'm a pussy.
And so I see this dog, and she's so sweet.
And she has mange all over her body, and so I took her in.
And just feeding her, within a short amount of time, the mange completely- Went away.
Completely went away.
She was a great dog.
But one day, Joey Diaz and I were doing bong hits in my office, and the dog was under the desk, and I didn't think about it.
There's actually a photo on the internet of Joey with a sleeveless shirt on.
Holding a big handful of weed.
It's from that day.
See if you can find that picture, because it's a famous picture.
That's the picture.
So that's me and Joey.
That's me and Joey in my office doing bong hits.
You know, I bought like an ounce of weed.
So look at that.
That was back when I was buying weed from the dispensary in Irvine.
ari shaffir
When there's like two of them?
joe rogan
What was the...
It was a bad neighborhood.
I'm trying to remember the neighborhood.
God damn it.
I forgot.
I'll remember.
I'll remember.
So that was the day.
So we'd got there and gotten just fucking barbecued.
And the dog was underneath the desk.
And then she was so sketched out afterwards.
I was like, you okay?
But she had all this trauma for when she was young and she was homeless and eating out of garbage cans and shit.
ari shaffir
She's on drugs again.
big jay oakerson
Back on the shit.
ari shaffir
It all came back.
joe rogan
But I guess dogs like that are probably terrified they're going to go back to that life.
unidentified
Right.
ari shaffir
You start getting paranoid.
joe rogan
Right, you're terrified you're gonna be on the streets again.
ari shaffir
Why do you bring the friend over?
joe rogan
Yeah.
ari shaffir
Well, it's gotta be to take me away.
joe rogan
But imagine a dog not having any idea why all of a sudden it's like hyper freaked out about everything.
big jay oakerson
Yeah, well, the senses in general I've never witnessed before.
I'm blown away by like she, like friends of ours who have dogs that she like is with a lot.
If we're like, like Justin's house.
ari shaffir
Yeah.
big jay oakerson
He's got a dog they play all the time.
If we're Blocks away, but in the area of town.
ari shaffir
Of Justin?
big jay oakerson
She perks up.
That's like the dog.
I don't know what it is.
It seems like an impossibility, but she tends to seem to recognize from a car.
Just like being down in a car.
ari shaffir
Yeah, they know it.
big jay oakerson
Not seeing.
From smell or something, she just pops up like, we're near that dog.
That's wild.
joe rogan
That is wild.
ari shaffir
Yeah.
big jay oakerson
I mean, I don't know how else she could possibly feel.
You know what I mean?
She's like down.
It'd be a pretty crazy coincidence.
joe rogan
Weird connection with people.
ari shaffir
Yeah.
joe rogan
It's very weird.
ari shaffir
Bandit led us to Sal's front door from the elevator after six months gone.
When she wasn't even...
She was six months old to a year old.
And then remember where Sal lived.
big jay oakerson
Some smell in there, yeah.
joe rogan
Dude, my dog cuddles with me when I watch TV sometimes.
Like, he lies next to me and he puts his head on my chest.
ari shaffir
Yeah.
joe rogan
And I just sit there and petting him.
It's like you're watching like a nice show and you have this beautiful love moment with this animal.
ari shaffir
That's the greatest shit in the world.
joe rogan
That's just so sweet and all they want is just to be loved and to love you.
You just lean up and give me kisses sometimes.
Michael loves you too.
big jay oakerson
I feel like always in those moments.
unidentified
It's the best.
ari shaffir
It's the best.
Nothing's better in the world.
Sometimes you gotta pee and you're like, no, I gotta stay here.
She's right on me.
big jay oakerson
I find always in those moments while I'm petting and I go, you are the best decision we ever made.
You are the best.
Oh fuck, she bit through that leather chair over there.
unidentified
And you're almost like, why would you bite through that leather chair?
joe rogan
When they're puppies, the scary thing is like extension cords.
ari shaffir
That's the scary thing.
joe rogan
If they bite an electrical cord and get electrocuted.
Whoa.
Yeah, that's fucking scary.
That happens to dogs sometimes.
ari shaffir
We never had that.
joe rogan
Yeah, you gotta be careful with those little fuckers.
They don't know what to chew and what not to chew.
And you gotta give them things to chew.
That's very important.
You gotta give them chew toys.
Toys to bite on.
big jay oakerson
Yeah, they have to be animals still.
joe rogan
Because my dog's a retriever.
He brings over a toy when he comes to say hi.
Like if someone comes over the house, he runs and gets his toy.
unidentified
I gotta get a toy.
ari shaffir
Presents it.
joe rogan
Like he always has to have a toy.
Like he brings a toy to say hi to everybody.
It's hilarious.
big jay oakerson
I thought I was the way dogs play with each other also I thought I was gonna have like enemy after enemy on the street but like two people barely giving a shit like Me smoking a cigarette and some guy on the phone while we just look away let our dogs like what only looks like fight to the death That's their playing.
I'm like, is everyone okay with this?
ari shaffir
And you don't have to talk to the other person.
It's crazy.
big jay oakerson
You just go, it's like, oh, hey, our dogs are gonna do each other's pussies and whatever and just let it happen for a minute.
joe rogan
Some dogs, you gotta be careful, though.
There's a lot of people with pit bulls that'll fight dogs.
They'll fight dogs when they get close to them.
They don't even know why.
Just out of instinct.
Even if you train them.
You have to have a really good trainer to curb that and some dogs.
big jay oakerson
Do you remember the...
Were you there when the girl from the...
There was a waitress at a comedy club who got a rescue dog, like a pit bull.
And then one of the other waitresses went over there.
Her friend went over there to meet the new dog and everything.
She said the dog was the sweetest dog.
She had her for whatever couple days.
And...
Like disfigured her for life.
unidentified
No!
big jay oakerson
I mean, she's a gorgeous girl, and she got handled...
It was handled pretty well.
She's still a gorgeous chick.
But I mean, it's definitely...
But I mean, it affected her forever.
It was like wild.
Like emergency plastic surgery type shit.
joe rogan
Well, you know, Whitney's always adopting wild animals.
ari shaffir
Those dogs are humongous.
She's like, me and my dogs, I'm like, put them away.
joe rogan
Whitney got like half her ear bitten off once.
unidentified
What?
joe rogan
Yeah, she goes, oh, a dog didn't even mean to do it.
It's like, they don't even know what they're doing.
They don't know their strength.
I'm like, your dog bit your ear off.
ari shaffir
That's an issue.
joe rogan
But she kept the dog.
big jay oakerson
Now she's in the horses.
joe rogan
She got it stitched up.
Oh, she's always been in the horses.
big jay oakerson
Is any cock big enough?
joe rogan
That lady loves dogs.
She loves dogs.
She's always got a bunch of rescue dogs she's taking care of.
She, like, fosters dogs and then finds them homes and shit.
ari shaffir
Can I just say, speaking of rabid dogs.
joe rogan
Yeah, that's her after she got her ear bit off.
big jay oakerson
Oh my god.
unidentified
Shit.
joe rogan
Yeah.
big jay oakerson
But they put it back on.
joe rogan
But they sewed it back on, and I'm fine.
She's so crazy!
big jay oakerson
She's a lunatic.
ari shaffir
She's a full lunatic.
joe rogan
She's at the mothership this weekend, isn't she?
I think she is.
big jay oakerson
Oh, yeah.
I just saw it was the premiere for the...
She produced the Burt Roast.
Yeah.
joe rogan
Nice.
Yeah, that's a wild lady.
big jay oakerson
Fuck it, I was saying this yesterday, too.
She's getting to know her more lately in the last few years.
She's a boss chick.
ari shaffir
She runs shit.
big jay oakerson
She really runs shit.
She runs shit.
She's an impressive person, yeah.
joe rogan
Very impressive.
Yeah, she's smart as fuck, man.
Maybe too smart.
One time I was having a conversation with her out of nowhere.
She calls me up.
She goes, I'm producing a documentary on violence.
big jay oakerson
I was like, what the fuck are you doing?
joe rogan
Like, what are you doing?
big jay oakerson
That's so vague also.
joe rogan
How do you have time for this?
She told me about that wild Italian thing that they do like once a year where it's like MMA mixed with like rugby.
ari shaffir
What?
joe rogan
Have you seen that?
big jay oakerson
Oh, yeah, yeah, yeah.
joe rogan
That weird...
What is it called?
Cherico or something?
I forget the name of it.
It's some...
Weird.
big jay oakerson
It's a big gang fight.
ari shaffir
It's a big gang fight.
Oh, so she's going to see it?
joe rogan
And she told me about this.
She's like, have you heard of this?
I go, no, what is this?
And so she was doing a documentary on violence.
And this was one of the subjects.
It was MMA fights and this stuff.
So it's basically, it's like some kind of a ball game, but they beat the fuck out of each other.
big jay oakerson
Calcio.
joe rogan
Yeah, that's what it is.
Calcio storico.
That's it.
I don't know if I'm saying that right, even though I'm Italian.
But these guys just beat the fuck out of each other, man.
They throw down bare knuckle.
They throw leg kicks and shit.
I mean...
big jay oakerson
It's their Ellis Mania.
joe rogan
And I don't think there's anybody that stops the fights either.
ari shaffir
They just let it go till they're knocked out.
joe rogan
I think they just, you know, decide not to kill each other.
Look at this.
big jay oakerson
Oh!
But there's something, there's a game to it, and then the game stops and a fight starts?
joe rogan
Yeah, this is wild, man.
unidentified
Look at those guys.
ari shaffir
Everybody's holding somebody down.
joe rogan
Yeah, they hold them down, they're beating people up from the mount, and there's so many of them.
Look how many guys are on the field.
Look, that guy's in full guard down there, and there's another guy who's got a guy in side control.
This is crazy.
So I found out about this from Whitney.
big jay oakerson
This was called...
joe rogan
You would think that I would know about that.
big jay oakerson
That was called...
ari shaffir
Yeah, exactly.
joe rogan
I mean, that's like, essentially...
big jay oakerson
That was called Smear the Queer in Philadelphia.
ari shaffir
Smear the Queer was a good one.
unidentified
Yeah.
Yeah, Kill the Cow.
ari shaffir
Smear the Queer.
big jay oakerson
I'll be honest with you, Kill the Cow hurt more if I was, like, holding the ball.
ari shaffir
Kill that cow.
You're like, shut up, guys.
You know I'm sensitive.
big jay oakerson
Smear the Queer goes, I'll be the queer.
ari shaffir
Do you ever do hug the pole in like 21 or something?
Where if you lose, you have to hug the basketball pole and whoever won gets to whip the basketball at your ass?
big jay oakerson
No, we had a game called Suicide that was like a wall, ball-based game, but it was like something if the ball touched you and you didn't catch it, tennis ball always, you had to run to the wall and like touch it and say suicide.
But while you were making, until that happened, everybody else could pick up the ball and just try to zing it at you as hard as they could.
And then if you...
If you pussed out and said, if someone called you out for like saying suicide before you touched the wall, then they got a free peg, which means you had to stand there like a firing line.
And I'll tell you, the fear is like, we had some, there was some Randy Johnson like sidearm guys, and it was almost worse when it was missed because the fear, when you'd hear like the air being split as it like zips by your head and just misses you is nuts.
joe rogan
Oh, Jesus Christ.
big jay oakerson
Philly.
There's no internet yet.
joe rogan
Crazy fucking people.
big jay oakerson
Our porn was all analog back then, so we had to do this.
joe rogan
If you could go back and get those guys that were on the skyscrapers, building those skyscrapers, eating lunch.
Remember those guys?
ari shaffir
With their legs dangling?
joe rogan
Yeah.
If you could get those guys and drop them off in a tech conference.
In 2023, they were probably like, what the fuck happened to men?
ari shaffir
What is this?
joe rogan
Imagine.
Imagine if you just transported those guys to the future.
Like, essentially 100 years.
big jay oakerson
The concept that someone wears a suit every day.
joe rogan
Just looking at these guys with their pronouns on their badges.
What the fuck happened?
big jay oakerson
Oh, yeah.
joe rogan
He him?
big jay oakerson
No, that's gone.
ari shaffir
They'd be like, what are you talking about?
Work.
joe rogan
Roger with the man face and the man body has he him in his badge?
big jay oakerson
Yeah, he goes, I believe it.
joe rogan
Everybody's doing this now?
ari shaffir
They'd be like, what is...
joe rogan
Like, what the fuck happened?
ari shaffir
Also, electricity.
joe rogan
Also, like, you know, how come you guys have so much food?
ari shaffir
Bidets.
Bidets also.
A lot of food.
big jay oakerson
Bidets will blow their mind.
ari shaffir
Yeah.
joe rogan
Look at this guy.
You've seen this guy in the 1980s?
ari shaffir
What?
joe rogan
Yeah.
ari shaffir
Albert Stock.
joe rogan
Look at this motherfucker.
big jay oakerson
Wow.
joe rogan
Bro.
Watch when he calms down.
That's what's even crazier.
ari shaffir
What's he doing?
unidentified
Don't see that.
joe rogan
He shimmies down, bro.
ari shaffir
No, no.
joe rogan
Yeah, yeah, yeah.
Watch this.
This is in the 1980s.
ari shaffir
What?
joe rogan
Look at this.
big jay oakerson
I'm having it happen right now.
joe rogan
This guy's an athlete.
big jay oakerson
I have a physical reaction to this.
ari shaffir
Gotta be Cambodian.
joe rogan
You should have a fucking physical reaction to this.
big jay oakerson
Like I'm saying my legs feel like gummy when I watch this.
ari shaffir
He didn't even slow down.
joe rogan
Bro, this guy's an animal.
He's a fucking animal.
Look at him.
The strength and the skill along with the courage to be up there where one fuck...
Look at him climb, dude!
Are you fucking shitting me?
Are you fucking shitting me?
unidentified
Jesus Christ, this guy's a construction worker.
joe rogan
He's like an athlete.
Look at him.
ari shaffir
Wow.
joe rogan
He's a climbing athlete.
He's got a fucking tool bag on, dude.
He's doing this while he's got a tool bag on.
This is insanity.
How does this guy practice?
Here's my question.
Because you can't just get good at this on the job.
big jay oakerson
You ever see it go bad?
joe rogan
How many guys would die?
unidentified
You've never seen a show on the ground floor?
joe rogan
But to do this?
Come on, man.
Who the fuck is doing this?
big jay oakerson
That's a different state of mind.
joe rogan
Bro, are you out of your fucking mind?
That guy could take over the world.
ari shaffir
What are you even doing up there?
There's nothing going on up there.
big jay oakerson
What's the point?
ari shaffir
There's nothing there for you.
big jay oakerson
The guy who's got the ability.
joe rogan
Mine are too.
ari shaffir
Yeah, me too.
unidentified
Have you seen the picture of the guy that took the photo of those guys sitting on that 30s?
ari shaffir
What's he doing?
joe rogan
No.
unidentified
He's got his head under a car.
joe rogan
Bro, this guy's an animal.
Look at him out there.
big jay oakerson
But have you ever seen this kind of stuff go bad?
ari shaffir
The pull-ups?
big jay oakerson
The one on the side of the building.
It's nuts.
And you see him when he can't do pull-ups anymore.
He starts to struggle.
And he's trying to get his leg up.
At some point you have to accept, like...
ari shaffir
Shit, it's not happening.
He doesn't do that last pull-up, and he's like, oh, you don't get up after that.
And it's like, um...
joe rogan
Well, you know, doing that, like, hanging on a ledge and getting all the way up to the top is not easy.
Even if you can do a pull-up.
big jay oakerson
To get up to the top where you can get your body weight over the sides.
joe rogan
To get your arm above it and pull yourself up and to have that kind of weird muscle-up strength.
Oh my god, look at that guy.
He's just standing there.
unidentified
He brought a camera up there.
Someone had to take these pictures.
joe rogan
Jesus Christ, these guys are animals!
They're napping!
They're fucking napping!
They're napping on a beam!
Oh my god, that's so insane!
My feet are twitching.
My feet are twitching.
My fucking feet are sweaty right now.
unidentified
That's what I said.
ari shaffir
He's brought a radio up.
joe rogan
The guy brought a radio.
He's smoking a cigarette.
But back then, so many people were dead by the time they were 15. Yeah, I got six months left anyway.
big jay oakerson
Their wives only had missionary sex for procreation.
Everyone's never going home, too.
He goes, you know what?
I'm just gonna leave.
ari shaffir
I'm in the middle of this book.
big jay oakerson
I stare death in the eye every day, so when I go home, I'm happy to be bored.
joe rogan
In the middle of this book about the early days of cities and how fucking filthy the streets were and how many diseases there were.
People stacked on top of each other.
It's horrific, man.
You think about what life was like back then.
I mean, those fucking people did not live long.
big jay oakerson
No.
Dirt roads and stuff.
joe rogan
That was a hard life, man.
Living in an urban environment.
Disease everywhere.
ari shaffir
Black plague any day.
joe rogan
19 and 10. Fucking horrible that would be.
unidentified
No AC. No concept of an AC. Steam cars going down the road.
ari shaffir
Or a bucket out your window to get supplies and bring it back up.
joe rogan
Shit everywhere.
ari shaffir
Oh, shit.
joe rogan
Shanty towns everywhere.
During the Great Depression, they had shantytowns everywhere.
We think that this is an unusual thing to have people camping in the streets.
You ever go back and watch those images of the Depression?
Fucking shantytowns all outside of cities.
No fucking running water.
Raw sewage.
unidentified
Ugh.
joe rogan
People stacked in apartment tenements on top of each other with no ventilation.
It smells like shit when you walk in there.
Bad plumbing, no plumbing, outdoor porta-potties for fucking everybody in the neighborhood.
ari shaffir
It's just disease.
joe rogan
It outhouses.
ari shaffir
They said the plague was coming back in LA, in the homeless community.
joe rogan
Oh yeah, they said.
What was it?
Which disease was it?
ari shaffir
I don't know.
joe rogan
They always say the plague.
big jay oakerson
The plague, yeah.
joe rogan
No, it was something wild.
ari shaffir
It was something like, that's still, I barely even remember hearing about that.
joe rogan
Yeah, what was it, Jamie?
ari shaffir
It wasn't like rickets.
joe rogan
It was like a medieval disease.
unidentified
Yeah.
joe rogan
Yeah, it was one of them weird bubonic plague.
ari shaffir
Bubonic plague.
joe rogan
Yeah.
ari shaffir
And people were like, well, you just got a hands off.
joe rogan
Well, you know, these people are unhoused.
ari shaffir
Yeah.
I like to say I'm unhoused because I live in an apartment.
People don't like that.
big jay oakerson
That doesn't count.
Remember that conspiracy from the documentary about that hotel in L.A. that all the homeless outside were getting tuberculosis and they thought it was because the girl She was studying tuberculosis in college.
Maybe she was a biological weapon to get to the homeless outside of that hotel.
joe rogan
What a conspiracy.
No, she was off her meds.
big jay oakerson
This is crazy.
I hate that...
When they stretch out four episodes of something where each one was like, well, was it a ghost?
They go, no.
It wasn't a ghost.
It was a real person.
But what is she looking at?
There was clearly another person.
And then the explanation of the...
Watch all the lights or it stops on all these floors or something.
And it was like, yeah, she came in and just whacked.
So it's not crazy.
The wait time for the doors to close.
Everything just added up and the whole documentary came around to like, ah, she was just a whack job, jumped in a...
unidentified
Well, she got off her meds.
joe rogan
Her family knew that she was medicated.
She decided to go to downtown L.A. and stay in this wacky hotel.
ari shaffir
I think that's the hotel I dropped off at Breva.
big jay oakerson
While they're doing all of that research they've been trying to figure out in the investigation, when they came to that answer, her family was like, yeah, that adds up.
She'd probably get naked and jump into a poor house.
ari shaffir
Yeah, that makes sense.
big jay oakerson
Yep.
They weren't even, like, suspicious.
They were like, oh, right.
ari shaffir
Yeah, that does.
joe rogan
Some people are out there.
They're crazy.
Some crazy people are out there.
ari shaffir
We've got to push Jay Special.
joe rogan
Yeah, people are pushing it.
ari shaffir
Yeah.
big jay oakerson
Pushing it hard.
ari shaffir
How excited are you now?
It's the first one in seven years, buddy.
joe rogan
What, are you directing the conversation?
ari shaffir
I don't know.
We've got to push it a little bit.
joe rogan
We're going to talk about it.
ari shaffir
That's his dog belly.
joe rogan
Dog belly.
Big Jay Overson, available right now on YouTube.
big jay oakerson
That's both our dog's bellies.
joe rogan
Where'd you film that?
big jay oakerson
We did it at Skankfest, Vegas.
joe rogan
I like the fucking set.
big jay oakerson
Last year.
Yeah, they did an amazing job.
joe rogan
You look like you're ready to Alhamdulillah and blow up a building.
unidentified
Look at that.
big jay oakerson
Leading the charge.
Yeah, no, we did it at Skank Fest.
Two shows.
It was awesome.
joe rogan
Look at your hair, you sexy bitch.
big jay oakerson
I know.
It's poor Ari.
Ari thought...
It just grew out, and I've been on the road so much, I haven't been able to get it done.
Again, red.
And Ari didn't know that, and when he showed up in the town today, he red-streaked the side of his hair.
ari shaffir
I did this the morning of the flight.
big jay oakerson
That's like a solidarity funny sign.
joe rogan
Beautiful.
big jay oakerson
And I don't have it.
joe rogan
Oh.
I like it, Ari.
ari shaffir
I'm not such a fan.
joe rogan
No?
Okay.
big jay oakerson
A black guy made fun of him last night.
joe rogan
I think you started shaving your whole head, bro.
unidentified
Off.
joe rogan
Yeah.
ari shaffir
Yeah, maybe.
joe rogan
Shave that nonsense on the side, anyway.
ari shaffir
I got a bad toupee.
big jay oakerson
It does look that bad.
joe rogan
You gotta let it go.
big jay oakerson
But yeah, when David Lucas made fun of you, you hated it.
ari shaffir
It's not how I normally wear this hair.
joe rogan
David Lucas is so funny, roasting.
When you and Tony go after each other, oh my god, they go after each other.
It's as hard as I ever laugh.
Someone has to be really killing, but they'll do it for five minutes.
For five minutes, you're just holding your side where they go back and forth at each other.
big jay oakerson
Off the cuff.
joe rogan
Man, they must be sitting around all...
I know Tony does.
I bet all day Monday he's sitting around smoking pot, trying to think of things he could say to David Lucas.
And then also come up with some...
Yeah, for sure!
I guarantee he's doing that little psycho.
I guarantee you.
Every week, they probably both do it.
They probably sit around and think of what kind of mean shit they're going to say to each other.
big jay oakerson
It is funny.
Instinctually, when I see David now, like if I'm doing Kill Tony and I see he's going to go on, I start right away just looking at everything on him just to be like, all right, well, can I have something?
He's going to say something about my hair or my wallet or something.
joe rogan
He's the best at that.
ari shaffir
Yeah.
joe rogan
Him and Tony are the fucking perfect combination.
ari shaffir
He smokes the vape the way Mooney used to drink, like, champagnes.
He's just like...
Like he's almost too good to talk about you.
joe rogan
He's casual.
ari shaffir
Yeah.
joe rogan
Mooney was the king of casual with that little tiny bottle of champagne.
unidentified
Yeah.
joe rogan
Oh, bitch, please.
And he would take a sip of the champagne.
Like, he would hit punchlines and take a sip of the champagne.
ari shaffir
Yeah.
Paul Mooney?
joe rogan
Paul Mooney, man.
big jay oakerson
That was the funniest realization I've ever had.
Of, like, I should have known all along on Paul Mooney being gay.
Was that, uh, standing outside of Caroline's.
And I'm just, like, facing away from the building and someone said...
They were like, oh, this time there's a story.
Something happened with him.
His boyfriend or something was mad at him.
Paul Mooney's going, I go, boyfriend?
They go, yeah.
I went, Paul Mooney's gay?
And then they turned me around, and it's his headshot.
He's got little circle glasses, a hat that has fringes on it, and it's tied around his chin.
And I was like, oh.
Yup, there it is.
He's gay the whole time.
ari shaffir
It was wild seeing him on stage before.
You look at him.
My brother was like, how come it only talks about the one thing and not at all about the other thing?
It was nuts.
big jay oakerson
Yeah, he never really did.
joe rogan
Oh, about being gay?
ari shaffir
Yeah.
joe rogan
Well, in the era that he came up, you've got to remember, he was one of Pryor's guys.
He was one of Pryor's writers.
R-I-D-E-R. He was a writer.
He was a great comic.
I mean, he really was.
But I don't think he ever got his due.
ari shaffir
No, white people didn't know him.
I didn't know he was until comedy.
joe rogan
He was the guy at the Comedy Store that when he would go on stage, especially after something happened, he always had material on it.
Really good material.
He always was like, anytime some shit went down, Paul Mooney wrote something.
He had a bit about the Spirit Airlines crash.
No, it wasn't Spirit Airlines.
It was some janky airlines that crashed into the swamp.
And he was talking about this woman clutching her purse while the alligator's eating her.
And it was such a funny bit, man.
It was like right after it happened.
And he set it up.
It was masterfully the way he set it up.
ari shaffir
So everyone's just laughing at these victims.
joe rogan
I love it.
It was so good.
But it was like, it was so good, it was right after the tragedy.
So you know, I mean, you know, whatever you feel about tasteless jokes after tragedies.
The fact that this guy went up and did that like a day later and it was funny as fuck.
It was really funny.
big jay oakerson
Do you think he didn't get his due ultimately because of his personality, or do you think his personality developed because of not getting his due?
I don't know.
I've met him several times and even done shows with him at Caroline's years ago, and he was never very nice at all, like in almost any way.
joe rogan
Mooney has a crust that you have to get through to get his trust, and once you get his trust, he is very kind.
ari shaffir
You had to compliment him.
I saw him talk to an HBO guy in the back.
joe rogan
It wasn't just that, man.
It wasn't just that.
He had to respect you.
You know, it was like, you know, Mooney was like...
He'd been around a long time.
He'd seen a lot of shit.
He was a part of Richard Pryor's golden age, and now here he is in the year 2005, hanging out with me and Ari.
It was a long time.
ari shaffir
He saw some guy from HBO, and he's like, Paul, how you been?
Just a fucking fake, like all of them.
He goes, how you been?
He's like, I've been good.
How about you?
He wasn't even playing pretend.
And he just kept going like, yo, we gotta do something soon.
He goes, oh, do we?
And he goes, yeah.
He goes, um...
He goes, I gotta get your number.
I don't have a pen.
Do you?
He goes, no, motherfucker, I don't.
unidentified
Do you?
joe rogan
That sounds like Paul Mooney.
Yeah, he didn't give a fuck, dude.
big jay oakerson
No, motherfucker, I don't.
joe rogan
When that guy liked you, it was a badge of honor.
He was laughing in the back of the room one time when I was on stage.
ari shaffir
That's pretty nice.
joe rogan
And it was the nicest thing ever.
And then he told me I was funny.
I was like, oh my god, thank you.
big jay oakerson
That was Patrice.
Patrice said that in New York.
joe rogan
He was gonna hate you.
Everybody's worried that Paul Mooney was gonna hate him.
Can you imagine this guy was around in the 70s?
And here he is 35 years later watching us young fucking snot-nosed idiots.
big jay oakerson
Did he have his money though?
Was he wealthy?
I don't know.
I don't know.
ari shaffir
He used to do LTC. Sold out the improv all the time back then.
joe rogan
He was still a great comic.
When he would go up, we would all watch him.
ari shaffir
Three hours, too.
He would go on forever sometimes.
joe rogan
He would go on for long sets if he wanted to.
ari shaffir
He'd always go on late.
It was nice.
joe rogan
He was a great comic.
I wonder what the writing process was with him and Pryor.
I wonder what that was like.
unidentified
I wonder how they did it back then.
How about they just sat there and wrote?
joe rogan
Maybe.
Maybe they did a lot of drugs.
big jay oakerson
Yeah, yeah, yeah.
Did you have to let your ears breathe?
ari shaffir
I gotta go to the bathroom again.
big jay oakerson
Go to the bathroom.
Go to the bathroom.
joe rogan
Man, it's been neat a lot lately.
Yesterday I totally over-modulated, over-hydrated.
big jay oakerson
Oh yeah, they gave us, when we were leaving the club yesterday, they gave us liquid IV. It's like eight bottles of water in one bottle of water.
joe rogan
I think it's like two.
big jay oakerson
Sure.
joe rogan
It's like two.
It hydrates you.
Peter Attia was explaining it to me.
There's an actual formula.
That it works with, like, 16 ounces of water.
Like, it doubles the hydration.
I don't understand it.
big jay oakerson
Sure, I just drank it.
joe rogan
I'm too fucking stupid.
big jay oakerson
Yeah, I just drank it.
joe rogan
But it's filled with electrolytes, and it tastes good.
And it's good for you.
It's really good after workouts.
big jay oakerson
Yeah, I don't know.
After sauna.
I got that Mike Tyson student glass brand, but Mike Tyson version of the gravity bong thing.
joe rogan
Oh, Jesus Christ.
big jay oakerson
Have you seen that?
joe rogan
No, but Jamie had one in here.
We're all terrified of it.
big jay oakerson
Really?
It's awesome.
joe rogan
I'm sure it is.
If you wouldn't just get obliterated and melt into the couch.
big jay oakerson
Yeah, I guess it does.
joe rogan
Do you dab?
big jay oakerson
I stopped.
Well, more than anything else, like, the process is so, like, I never got into the ritual of it.
I feel like it's a lot to go through to have coughing that's violent.
Oh, and then there was, you know, did you see?
I went down.
I almost passed out on Legion of Skanks doing dabs.
joe rogan
No, I didn't see.
big jay oakerson
That's on YouTube.
You can see me going down.
It's like, what's happening?
joe rogan
How did you do?
big jay oakerson
Well, here's what it was.
I did almost every time I would do the dab.
Part of like, wait, pause it for a second.
Anytime I've done a...
A dab.
If it's a good dab, I would see it as, like, I'd get that feeling where I'd cough and I'd almost be like, you know, the room's got to kind of, like, come together for a second.
You know what I mean?
Almost dizzy.
joe rogan
Yeah.
big jay oakerson
But I thought that was kind of like the fun of the high of it.
And on this one, I do that.
That's happening.
I'm on a podcast, so I'm trying not to cough violently.
I'm keeping my coughs in.
And while I'm doing that, my next inhale is Lewis just turns and hands me another dab.
So I just do it all over again.
I didn't breathe.
And you see my head start going, and my hand starts like shit.
It looks scary.
A lot of people that were going...
You know, everyone diagnoses you after this happens, of course, but I just almost passed out.
unidentified
No.
big jay oakerson
You remember this, Ari?
unidentified
No.
ari shaffir
Look at Mullen.
Mullen can already tell something's up.
joe rogan
What was it like?
What were you experiencing right here?
big jay oakerson
I was aware, still.
Weirdly.
joe rogan
But what was it like?
What were you experiencing?
ari shaffir
Look at Dave realize.
And he's like, no wait.
No, he's joking.
big jay oakerson
And I'm fine immediately again.
unidentified
Oh my god, I thought you were acting.
joe rogan
I really thought you were doing a bit.
big jay oakerson
I'm back.
What I was experiencing, I knew my head was going down, but I just thought I was kind of going down and coughing, and then I heard Lewis go, Jay?
And I was like, yes.
joe rogan
Why is the crowd behind you guys?
big jay oakerson
Instead of us facing them.
But they project the show and all the stuff to the audience.
So in front of us, they're seeing a screen of us and all of the stuff we do.
joe rogan
But meanwhile, you're right in front of them.
big jay oakerson
Yeah, yeah, yeah.
joe rogan
That seems ridiculous.
ari shaffir
It's like watching a Twitch stream.
joe rogan
Yeah, don't do that.
ari shaffir
I never really thought of it that way.
joe rogan
That sucks for the people that are there.
ari shaffir
Didn't we used to face the audience?
Or do they sit all around us?
joe rogan
Bro, you can figure that out.
You guys can figure that out.
Put cameras in a better spot.
ari shaffir
Oh, Harrington.
big jay oakerson
Facing the audience?
joe rogan
Yeah, you can have cameras facing the audience if you want to.
big jay oakerson
Well, Lewis, you've heard it here.
Rogan says you're failing.
ari shaffir
Bobby's cursing this guy right now.
joe rogan
The people talking should be facing the audience.
ari shaffir
I agree.
I agree.
It's done badly right now.
joe rogan
That's ridiculous.
big jay oakerson
Your back?
joe rogan
They're behind you?
ari shaffir
Why are they there?
What, are you a priest?
big jay oakerson
Why are they there?
unidentified
Are they behind you?
big jay oakerson
Let me give you Lewis' theory on that.
I know there actually is one, and I don't heavily disagree with it.
The show is also for the majority of people taking it in are watching from home.
So the idea is saying to play to...
Like each other more than play when you're staring at the crowd you tend to go and we did when we did face the audience We would do a lot more like trying the hand and not paying attention to each other in a conversation On one hand, you know kind of courage it takes to turn your back to your fucking crowd Yeah, you're not wrong Hundreds of people and you're talking mad shit and there's people behind you.
It is an added element of danger Well, it's also in a club where sometimes, like, through the cracks comes somebody who just came to the club.
ari shaffir
Yeah, right.
big jay oakerson
And was like, there happens to be a...
Because we're sold out pretty much for, like, weeks in advance, but there'll be...
And we've had, like, two weeks ago...
Thank God they tend to be pretty cool, usually, where they quietly leave, but we'll end up calling it out anyway.
ari shaffir
They'll be like, this is not for me.
big jay oakerson
Yeah, but there was a lady from Canada and her 17-year-old son was with her.
ari shaffir
Oh, we tried to get him high?
big jay oakerson
Yeah, you were on that episode.
But she ended up being super cool, but they had no idea what they were walking into.
We lucked out that she was a cool mom.
joe rogan
Oh, my God.
ari shaffir
That kid rules.
We were like, says, hi, we've decided you will smoke weed.
And he's like...
joe rogan
Can I? Can you imagine not knowing what you're doing?
You walk into a Legion of Skanks show?
big jay oakerson
It's crazy.
It's actually, we've yelled at the club for that before.
Like, hey, don't do that to people.
Because then, when they're upset with us, I still kind of feel for them.
unidentified
Like, well, if you didn't want to see something like this, you should have to watch this.
joe rogan
It's not their fault.
They should have been warned going in there.
ari shaffir
It should have been warned.
I'm happy you're selling it.
big jay oakerson
When it happens, they went over and it ends up being a good thing.
ari shaffir
It is cool when they catch up, though.
And they're like, okay, I'll go with this.
big jay oakerson
But there is times when people leave and you can see their faces.
You're like, why would you have put them...
ari shaffir
It's not a stand-up show.
big jay oakerson
It's not their thing, yeah.
It's not a stand-up show.
They came to watch a stand-up show and you go, well, there's this other thing.
And without giving them enough, like...
It could go pretty haywire in there.
You're going to hear nutty shit.
ari shaffir
In one episode, he had to lube up a gun, and Lewis had to shove it up Jay's ass.
joe rogan
Yeah.
ari shaffir
Right there in front of everybody.
Imagine just a random coming in for a comedy show, and you're like, what the fuck's going on?
big jay oakerson
My daughter, when she turned 19, she was almost like, can I come?
Oh, my God.
Well, she's my daughter.
ari shaffir
Yeah.
big jay oakerson
And so for the most part, I'm like, she gets with this comedy.
Do you know what I mean?
And I was like, it's not so much the material that we're talking about that's gonna get me.
Now, what happened with Lewis and Dave, which I fully understand too, they were coming to me a couple times and they were like, hey, you gotta stop letting her come to the show.
I'm like, she's an adult, dude.
She wants to come.
I'm almost like, you guys kinda have to get used to the idea that she's an adult.
And then what they said made me, they were like, yeah, but dude, we're seeing like that four-year-old little girl over there that we've known since she was a kid, you know?
Right.
And he's like, it's going to make me not tell a story that I want to tell.
joe rogan
For sure.
big jay oakerson
Because she's there.
And I go...
Fair enough.
And then as a little...
Do you remember this?
As a little...
Yeah, she wished she could come.
But as a little cherry on top that made it easier to explain to her that we're going to take a break from her coming for a while, was that night.
Out of nowhere, Byron, who ended up becoming the intern from the intern contest, sucked his own dick on stage.
And looking over at my 19-year-old daughter like this, like, I was like, oh, all right, point taking, guys.
I'll keep her out of here.
unidentified
Jesus Christ.
joe rogan
On stage?
big jay oakerson
On stage.
joe rogan
Jesus Christ.
big jay oakerson
By the way, he sucked.
joe rogan
Is that legal?
big jay oakerson
This is going to press you more.
joe rogan
That might get you in trouble.
big jay oakerson
No, they put a curtain up eventually.
joe rogan
Legitimately.
ari shaffir
On stage, anything goes.
joe rogan
I don't think so.
ari shaffir
Performance art.
big jay oakerson
Yeah, I think it's something like that.
joe rogan
It depends on where this is.
ari shaffir
Yeah.
joe rogan
You might have just admitted to a crime.
big jay oakerson
It was in his mouth.
joe rogan
I understand that.
Like, legitimately, this might be a crime.
Are you allowed to blow yourself in front of people?
Let's find out.
ari shaffir
I feel like it's the same as masturbation.
Do you think it'd be worse than that?
Crime-wise?
unidentified
Punishment-wise?
joe rogan
I don't know, because it's so weird.
big jay oakerson
Well, here's the crazy thing.
He sucked his own dick while it was soft.
ari shaffir
Oh, my God.
big jay oakerson
That's impressive.
joe rogan
That's insane.
ari shaffir
Do you dangle it into his head or do you come down on it?
big jay oakerson
It's funny.
I said to Louis, I wonder if you had any opinions or thoughts on Gigi Allen, which is a very similar stage show of just insanity.
joe rogan
Yeah, shitting on people and stuff.
big jay oakerson
I've been watching these documentaries on him lately, or these little short films people have made.
It's funny what I thought was cool when I was younger, as an older performer, You have the picture out there of Jim Morrison, his mugshot and stuff.
When I watched The Doors when I was younger, I thought it was the coolest thing because his defiance and his...
He might not even show up.
And the piano player's got to sing all the songs because he's drunk with Jefferson Airplane somewhere.
And as an adult performer, you're like, hey Jerichoff, show up and do your show.
You know what I mean?
There's an audience waiting.
joe rogan
Yeah.
unidentified
Yeah.
big jay oakerson
Like, there's a coolness to it, but like, same thing, Gigi Allen, like, I get you want to put on a big show, but I don't know if chucking shit at the people in the audience is like the way to handle it.
unidentified
But meanwhile, some people are like, bro, I got pelted with Gigi shit!
Fuck yes!
joe rogan
They probably smeared it on their friend, fuck yes!
ari shaffir
You did it!
joe rogan
Pink eye forever.
big jay oakerson
Well, they always tell you, all the documentaries go, well, there was Kevin, and Kevin was a sweetheart.
You're like, that was like a character because he's lost in it.
I mean, he was.
joe rogan
That was a character?
ari shaffir
Just a piece of shit was his character.
unidentified
Jesus Christ.
big jay oakerson
I mean, a deplorable piece of shit.
But that's the thing, he would always be like, my mother didn't give a shit about me.
joe rogan
The man shot himself on stage and smeared it on his face in the name of punk.
ari shaffir
How do you even shit yourself on standing?
big jay oakerson
No, buddy, there's videos of this.
He goes into the audience, and what's funny is they love him.
joe rogan
Look at that picture.
Look at his tattoo.
What does it say?
big jay oakerson
Life sucks, scumfuck.
joe rogan
Life sucks, scumfuck.
Smearing shit on your face.
And then the other side says fuck something.
ari shaffir
Fuck something.
joe rogan
Bro, I don't.
big jay oakerson
It says fuck you.
joe rogan
That is not totally a character.
big jay oakerson
No, that's what I'm saying.
joe rogan
You can't get into that.
big jay oakerson
But what's funny is they talk to his mom and stuff, because his story's always like, you know, my mom, the parents didn't give a shit about me, and my dad was this, and fuck you, that's why I'm angry.
And his mom's like...
Just shows pictures of him and his brother, they were both in the band, as kids, just on horses.
They were fine like a bunch of Massachusetts kids.
joe rogan
And what happened?
big jay oakerson
He started getting attention to...
Drugs, probably, is the ultimate answer.
He probably got into drugs and was just, like, started getting...
But I mean, like...
joe rogan
You peeing again?
big jay oakerson
No, I'm gonna get the coffee.
Unfixable or...
Like, unrelenting.
Like, terrible.
Like, all this stuff he's in trouble for.
Like, beating up a woman publicly.
Like, at NYU, he does that.
There's video of that.
Of him just, like, taking a chick and, like, throwing her around the room and, like...
Just some random girl in the audience?
No, I think a girl was, like, you know, challenging his...
Because I guess he kept saying he was going to kill himself on stage.
Oh, God.
But he moved the date a lot.
He'd kick the can down the road.
That year would go by.
He'd be like, Halloween of next year, I'm going to blow my stuff.
I'm going to commit suicide and take as many as I can with me.
unidentified
Young Shepard Smith covering it live.
joe rogan
Look at Shepard Smith.
Smith, look how cute he was.
unidentified
...happened at the club Space Fish behind me last night.
A band called Gigi Allen and the Murder Junkies performing at a club that prides itself in its words on having shows on the cutting edge.
People paid $7 to watch a man defecate into his own hand while he was nude.
And that is just the beginning.
ari shaffir
My guy looks down like that was good.
big jay oakerson
I'll also give you a...
I'll give him credit, G.G. Allen, too, because he has a tiny, tiny pecker, and he walks around with a...
I mean, real small.
ari shaffir
He never presented it well.
Damn.
unidentified
He was actually off the stage.
He was right down here off the stage.
joe rogan
Isn't it amazing that that would be the number one concern, the size of his dick?
This guy's shitting in his hand and smearing it in his face on the stage.
And we're like, yeah.
big jay oakerson
That's what I'm saying.
joe rogan
Boy, the courage to stand in front of people with that dick.
ari shaffir
Imagine being the smell in that place.
joe rogan
Oh, God.
big jay oakerson
You know, a lot of people say speaking publicly is people's biggest fear.
I'd say shitting publicly.
unidentified
And then smearing it on your face.
big jay oakerson
His drummer always played naked too.
joe rogan
Shepard Smith!
big jay oakerson
He was a space case.
joe rogan
Orlando, he's live from Orlando.
ari shaffir
He's gotta love this story.
joe rogan
Goddamn, that's funny.
big jay oakerson
But Ari, the one that I saw, he goes into the audience and I said it's funny when they all are there for him, but they don't want to get the gross shit on him.
So as soon as he approaches, jumps down the audience, they see they make these circles around him to give him space.
And then he like...
He turns around, bends over, and just rips a couple logs.
unidentified
Bends down, starts picking it up in his mouth.
joe rogan
Oh, my God!
This is insane!
Oh, Jesus Christ!
He shit in his hand and threw it into the audience.
ari shaffir
He rubs it all over his chest.
big jay oakerson
That's not the worst.
Dude, his face!
joe rogan
Bro, this is so bad!
big jay oakerson
And then he runs into the audience, and you see the audience, like, they're like, but they're still trying to watch, but they're, like, in the hallways and stuff.
ari shaffir
Is there...
joe rogan
Oh, my God.
Just stop, stop, stop, stop.
There's no music going.
unidentified
Oh, my God.
ari shaffir
Boomerang that.
joe rogan
I'm going to throw up.
ari shaffir
Oh my god.
In pictures it's bad.
The smell will be around you.
joe rogan
Imagine getting hit in the face with Gigi's shit.
ari shaffir
And you're already sweating.
joe rogan
And you didn't know.
Maybe my shit himself is definitely going to throw it up.
big jay oakerson
Only the Farrah Abraham shit video is the more impressive shit video.
The teen mom lady who just is so, like, wrapped in the...
What's that?
You know who she is, right?
Farrah Abraham.
She was, like, an MTV teen mom girl.
She was, like, the first one that was, like, famous from that.
ari shaffir
Yeah.
big jay oakerson
And just turned into...
She did some porn scenes.
She has, like, OnlyFans now.
But she's known for being...
A mother, she put a video out.
I guess someone just leaked it, but it was her doing an OnlyFans thing or something.
And it's her just turning around with her completely plastic body and ripping off two foot of uncut shit straight to...
It's not pornographic.
It's like an oddly satisfying video.
You ever see those where it's like when they cut the perfect things off and shit?
You're like...
unidentified
When it's done, you go, you feel like, where was that in you?
Isn't it funny?
joe rogan
There's all these oddly satisfying videos of people making soap.
unidentified
Yeah, yeah, yeah.
big jay oakerson
This is a girl.
unidentified
I mean, everything she ate came out for sure.
joe rogan
Do you think if someone knows they're going to do that, they hold it in as long as they can?
ari shaffir
To get it longer and longer.
joe rogan
To just really make sure you're getting the full package out in one shipment.
big jay oakerson
I don't know if you could plan for an unbroken two foot of shit.
ari shaffir
Some people do it regularly.
joe rogan
I don't think you can plan for it, but you probably increase your odds if you can just plug it in.
ari shaffir
Just hold it in.
Tighten it.
Make it more like a sausage.
big jay oakerson
They say if you drink celery juice, your jizz will be thick and shoot far, but maybe it won't.
ari shaffir
How would you know?
unidentified
I think I found it.
What?
joe rogan
Jamie found what?
Jizz?
Celery juice?
big jay oakerson
Oh, the video of her shitting?
For sure you found it.
joe rogan
Oh my God.
Don't show me.
Okay, show me.
Okay, show me.
big jay oakerson
I can walk you through this.
It's pretty good.
ari shaffir
She's pretty.
big jay oakerson
Start from the beginning.
She's so hot.
Yeah, you can play it from there.
Now what you're going to see first, Joe, is when he turns around, there's a cork of shit that was probably blocking the path.
That comes out first.
That just fires right out.
joe rogan
Jesus Christ, dude.
How much do you think you have to pay to get someone to poop in front of the camera?
big jay oakerson
This is TikTok?
This is not TikTok, no.
So there's the cork.
Easily 12 inches.
unidentified
What?
big jay oakerson
Two full feet.
joe rogan
Oh my god, it's more than two feet, bro.
He's coming.
Stop.
That's enough.
big jay oakerson
That was all of it.
That's enough.
joe rogan
Imagine wanting someone to do that.
I want you to shit for me.
unidentified
I don't know how I felt.
big jay oakerson
I have to assume it's control more than sexual.
unidentified
You naughty girl.
joe rogan
You naughty girl.
unidentified
Shit for me.
big jay oakerson
It's gotta be control over sexual.
joe rogan
Yeah, but I think maybe it's a naughty thing.
It's so naughty.
ari shaffir
Shit is so wrong.
big jay oakerson
It's funny, I can watch that and laugh at it and I don't get that disturbed by it.
No chance would I watch that in person.
I'd be like, no, no, no, no.
It's too many senses involved.
joe rogan
It's also a thing that's built into us to avoid Plagues and disease.
big jay oakerson
You're supposed to get away from it.
joe rogan
You shouldn't get away from that.
unidentified
That's diseases.
ari shaffir
You have to wipe your hands.
joe rogan
Isn't that crazy?
The stuff that comes out of your body will kill people.
ari shaffir
That's how toxic it is.
joe rogan
The stuff that comes out of your body gets in water and then someone drinks that water, people are dead.
big jay oakerson
She was selling $5,000.
joe rogan
$5,000 for stinky poop that comes out of me.
Oh, wow.
People were offering her $5,000 for poop.
big jay oakerson
She's going to keep doing that.
joe rogan
I was just like, I don't even think that that could go in the mail.
I was in question whether or not it was really a joke, reminding her that she went to sell her poop slime on her Sophia's website.
unidentified
What is that?
ari shaffir
On her and Sophia's website.
unidentified
Looks like she was selling it.
ari shaffir
What a great, I mean, recycling situation.
joe rogan
I think that's really dangerous.
unidentified
This seems like it's almost a joke.
big jay oakerson
That's fake.
joe rogan
Yeah, that's fake.
ari shaffir
Who was Farrah Abraham?
Where do I know her name from?
big jay oakerson
She was at David Tell's Underground.
She was one of the audience celebrities.
ari shaffir
Oh, really?
big jay oakerson
I think she tried to do comedy for a second, as often will happen.
joe rogan
Didn't Stormy Daniels try to do comedy?
big jay oakerson
Absolutely.
ari shaffir
I think so.
It's everyone's fallback plan.
It's the lowest level of anything else.
joe rogan
Isn't that nice?
big jay oakerson
More of respect.
It's the lowest level of respect.
They're like, I can fall back.
joe rogan
Isn't that better for us, though?
ari shaffir
Yeah.
A porn star can just do it.
Tom Brady can just do it.
joe rogan
Comedy tour soon.
Fair Abraham.
big jay oakerson
Please tell me there's a video of her doing comedy.
ari shaffir
Please.
joe rogan
Don't show it.
We will have to be honest.
So don't show it.
Don't show it, Jamie.
I'm out.
ari shaffir
Because I can save for myself, though.
joe rogan
Well, I mean, I just...
If you had a video of you pooping, you would imagine, like, man, this has got to be worth a lot of money.
I can't just poop for $5,000.
big jay oakerson
I'll tell you what, there's a...
ari shaffir
What a moneymaker.
big jay oakerson
A high level...
ari shaffir
We're going through a recession.
big jay oakerson
A high level, like, well-known porn star...
ari shaffir
Poop merchants?
big jay oakerson
...who I know when we were interviewing her during...
Maybe these were quarantine numbers?
But during the quarantine, we interviewed her over Zoom.
And she was saying that she's doing a lot of OnlyFans, like private one-on-one stuff now, because we're not filming movies or anything right now.
And I was like, really?
I go, has anyone asked you to shit on camera?
She goes...
She goes, no, not really.
She goes, but I mean, that would be like, she's like, that would be a lot.
I was like, really?
I go, how much?
She goes, I mean, like shit, like that'd be like 500 bucks at least.
I'm like, yeah.
I was almost like, go ahead, do it.
I'll Venmo you right now.
No way that's possible.
500 bucks.
ari shaffir
You gotta do it anyway.
joe rogan
It's just where you're doing it.
It's a buyer's market.
It's a buyer's market.
unidentified
Yeah.
big jay oakerson
I like your scene.
You're gonna shit.
You're gonna flush it for zero dollars?
joe rogan
I have a question.
If you went on to OnlyFans, can you just find people to follow?
Or do people find people from their Instagram?
Oh, do they suggest people to you?
Yeah, how does someone, because you can't search people, right?
ari shaffir
I think you can.
joe rogan
You can search people?
big jay oakerson
Yeah, but I think finding people on OnlyFans would not be the allure to me.
The allure would be to find them in the wild, and then you find out, like, oh, you can see this person naked.
joe rogan
For sure, but you've got to think, a lot of these fitness girls that have huge OnlyFans followings, right?
Most of those guys, they find out about them somehow.
ari shaffir
Is there a message portal there to tell each other?
joe rogan
Are they finding out about them on Instagram?
Is it a Facebook thing?
big jay oakerson
It's social media.
It's all social media, I think.
ari shaffir
Join me on Instagram.
joe rogan
Isn't that crazy?
If a girl's got a great body, all she has to do is work out.
Just work out on camera and do different stuff every day and you'll get millions of followers.
Millions and millions of followers.
Look hot, do squats.
big jay oakerson
A very fun thing we do is to look at hot girl Instagrams and just look at the comments under any picture.
It's like the guys who just...
ari shaffir
You're awesome.
big jay oakerson
But not just you're awesome, it's like they call her baby and stuff.
Oh, baby, glad to see you're wearing that red bathing suit again.
No idea that's creepy.
joe rogan
So sad.
big jay oakerson
Those girls live in a life of like having the watch over their shoulder for like fucking lunatics.
You're constantly photographing where you're at, and they all think they're in with you.
ari shaffir
They think they kind of know you.
unidentified
I think this is the pipeline that started up.
big jay oakerson
Yeah, because they call them that.
They're like, hey babies, like, you know.
jamie vernon
On Twitch, yeah, it's not only fans, and it's not what cam girls do, but they hang out and Pools and hot tubs.
joe rogan
Oh yeah, we talked about this before.
unidentified
And that gets them onto their OnlyFans or whatever else.
ari shaffir
Do you know the podcast porn thing on OnlyFans?
A couple does a podcast with another girl, and then they fuck on OnlyFans right afterwards.
big jay oakerson
We lost podcast of the year at the AVNs to that.
ari shaffir
Oh really?
Fuck.
big jay oakerson
It's the Adam-22.
joe rogan
That's a hilarious idea.
If you're gonna make porn, that's a good idea.
big jay oakerson
That's the Adam-22 guy.
joe rogan
The whole fucking thing is so interesting.
ari shaffir
People are very against it, but they can't say why.
They just feel like this is bad for society or something.
big jay oakerson
I'm thoroughly hypocritical on it.
The SDR show that I do interviews them a lot, porn stars, and they come on to do that old squirting contest kind of thing.
Right.
Especially if I become friendly with them at all, in any kind of way, right away you're like, damn man, it's a fucking dark world.
I don't see where it's not dark in some way.
Everyone who's out of it at some point has some I guess any job, but you know, it's like this guy is a monster of a person, so I'll never be in a room with them.
You know, that kind of shit.
You're like, damn, man.
It never seems to end.
ari shaffir
Yeah, but like in a regular job, a bad boss just like yells you in front of everybody.
big jay oakerson
Yeah, yeah, yeah.
ari shaffir
I hate that guy.
This one's like fucking you.
big jay oakerson
Ew, Jesus.
But the whole world's like, he's fucking you.
A bunch of the girls are probably showing up on drugs.
There's so many like things happening.
unidentified
Yeah.
big jay oakerson
Do you know what I mean?
Like, uh...
Probably and like the higher level of professionalism probably from the girl like The more like like the less kind of sexy you know I mean like they're look when this person comes in goes, okay Where do I sign this guy's fucking me?
Okay, let's go be hard, please I Think girls instinctually from hearing stories and everything Don't fully understand, like, sometimes how a guy's, like, how a boner works.
Because a girl getting upset that you're not getting hard fast enough, or you weren't somehow hard the second they, like, pulled a titty out or something...
When it's like, what's wrong?
As soon as you do that, like, it's never happening.
Nothing's more than that.
All I'm doing is staring at it going, like, she's so let down.
She wants to, you know...
ari shaffir
Nothing's more counterproductive to what they're trying to get done.
It's like...
big jay oakerson
No attempt at doing it, like, especially when it comes out of, like, the last sexy try.
ari shaffir
Yeah.
big jay oakerson
Like, do you like this?
Do you want me to do this?
unidentified
Oh, no.
big jay oakerson
And you go, that's good.
And then they go, you like that?
He goes, well, then what's happening?
Oh, no.
And you're like...
Oh, my God.
joe rogan
Oh, my God.
big jay oakerson
Don't say that.
joe rogan
Oh, my God.
ari shaffir
You don't like this?
What's going on?
unidentified
He's like, You might as well, everyone just put your socks back on.
big jay oakerson
We're going home.
It's over.
joe rogan
So aggressive.
ari shaffir
Find yourself a cab.
I live here.
big jay oakerson
Show yourself out, please.
joe rogan
Imagine wanting, like, a very specific reaction from a girl like that.
Like, imagine if a girl's a tractor, her tits poke out.
Wouldn't that be wild?
It's kind of a crazed thing with men.
It's kind of crazy.
ari shaffir
We grow.
big jay oakerson
Yeah.
You can see.
Well, they have a reaction too, but you can't just go like, hey, miss, I'm just checking to see if you like me.
Just go to the front of her pants and be like, dry as a biscuit, sorry.
Misread that.
joe rogan
It's wild that that needs to happen in order to have sex and make babies.
It's wild that that thing needs to change.
Because some animals have a bone there.
ari shaffir
You can just go anytime.
joe rogan
Yeah, like, deers have a penis bone.
Like, a lot of animals have bones.
ari shaffir
Yeah, is there ever in the wild fucking where they can't get it up?
joe rogan
I don't think so.
I don't think they can survive that way.
So I think they're hard all the time.
They just poke it out.
big jay oakerson
Or when it's necessary, when it's needed.
I don't think it's like...
I don't think a horse looks at a mare and is like...
joe rogan
Well, they definitely get horny when the other ones are in heat.
But the thing is that they can hit it so quick because they have a bone.
big jay oakerson
Yeah.
They just pound in there and go...
joe rogan
Yeah.
You ever seen...
Steve Rinella gave me one to stir coffee with.
It's like a little...
ari shaffir
Dick bone?
joe rogan
Dick bone.
Yeah.
ari shaffir
You have fun friends.
joe rogan
Different animals.
How many different animals have dick bones?
big jay oakerson
Ari got me a record player once.
unidentified
We had that walrus one.
joe rogan
Yeah, we had a walrus one.
We still have that.
We have a giant walrus dick bone.
ari shaffir
Oh, it's curved, too.
It couldn't even go in straight.
Swims in ya.
joe rogan
That's a hard-ass thing too, man.
That's a heavy thing.
That's how walruses fuck.
ari shaffir
I'm so happy that chick is holding it.
joe rogan
Look at that.
unidentified
She's super shiny.
joe rogan
But imagine that.
They have a giant bone.
big jay oakerson
That really does look like a double-sided dildo.
joe rogan
You ever seen a whale's dick?
ari shaffir
Well, it's carved.
joe rogan
Whale's dicks are preposterous.
It's like as big as his room.
big jay oakerson
Really?
joe rogan
Oh my god.
big jay oakerson
Have you ever seen a whale's dick?
I didn't realize that's hilarious.
Wait, the walrus bone is used for doing what?
It's like clubbing something?
joe rogan
No, getting that dick in there, son.
jamie vernon
This one is like, penis-shaped.
joe rogan
They use it as a club?
Is that what it says?
unidentified
Baculum.
joe rogan
Yeah, baculum is what the penis bone is.
That's the technical name.
big jay oakerson
That's gotta be weird when you're in your second coat of shellac on your walrus dick, walrus dick club.
joe rogan
How nuts is that?
They have a bone in their body.
But if you think about it, like if you gotta mate quick, Predators are after you.
You can't just...
You've heard of a walrus?
Like, your odds of escaping sharks suck already.
big jay oakerson
That's a whale, dude?
joe rogan
Blue whale penis.
ari shaffir
What?
It's so long!
It's so hairy!
joe rogan
Because it's hairy.
Deal with it.
ari shaffir
It's got a violin end.
big jay oakerson
I would imagine that- Where is it on their body where they can mount somebody?
joe rogan
That's a good question.
I think they probably have to go under.
And like bang it from underneath.
ari shaffir
It's gotta be from behind.
joe rogan
Yeah, they have to go underneath.
They have to go like, I would imagine they'd have to go like this.
Like, here's the girl, and the male- Upside out or something?
And goes like that.
ari shaffir
God, there's a video of whales fucking.
joe rogan
Gets under her and they match it.
ari shaffir
And just like smash it up.
joe rogan
And it slides in there for a little bit.
big jay oakerson
I think we ought to have seen a picture of an upside down whale fucking.
ari shaffir
I've never seen that.
joe rogan
I've seen whales, they can go in the water and do all kinds of crazy shit.
ari shaffir
Is it coming from behind like a refueling a jet?
joe rogan
Yeah, yeah, yeah.
I would say.
Underneath and upside down.
unidentified
Underneath.
Do you...
joe rogan
Yeah.
There must be video.
Maybe they know to both go down in the water and they do it together.
ari shaffir
Is it spreading semen in the water and it just swims through it?
joe rogan
No, no, no.
That's how fish do it.
These are mammals.
So mammals have to breed and they give birth to the young, whereas fish just jizz eggs.
big jay oakerson
Don't worry, Ari.
These whales are all about the cream pie.
They're naturally cream pie animals.
unidentified
Yeah.
joe rogan
Oh, that's what they do.
ari shaffir
Upside down.
You're right.
joe rogan
Okay.
unidentified
Wow.
joe rogan
Look at that.
That's it.
And she flips over, and he's got to keep her in spot.
Oh, it's a scramble, because they're both real horny, and they can't stay in position because they don't have arms.
ari shaffir
Because they don't have arms, yeah.
joe rogan
Wow, there he goes.
Oh, it's it.
ari shaffir
It's it.
joe rogan
Cha-pow!
big jay oakerson
Oh, he's hitting it from the side.
I pictured missionary.
joe rogan
Look at his giant whale dick.
ari shaffir
Oh, now they're married.
joe rogan
There you go.
Now they have babies.
ari shaffir
Now they're the happy couple.
joe rogan
It's wild how smart those fucking things are.
Those things are smart as shit.
ari shaffir
You ever see them save a walrus that they were fucking with?
When they train their kids?
joe rogan
Yeah, they'll save it if they don't really want to eat it.
ari shaffir
If one's not fully dead, put it back.
joe rogan
Yeah, if they don't want to eat it.
They know how to use ice shelves.
So one of them will get up to an ice shelf and they'll tip it so that the thing slides to them.
So they get their massive body and they're just sliding towards death.
They're super intelligent.
big jay oakerson
I went whale watching once in South Africa and then you pay all this money and no whales.
They don't give you your money back.
Sorry man, no whale.
joe rogan
If you want to see whales, Hawaii is a great place to see them.
You'll always see them there.
Whenever the time is that they're there for breeding or whatever it is, why they're there, there's parts of the year.
I think it's around November, if I remember correct, but I'm not sure if I do.
I've been there a few times before I've seen them.
It's amazing.
You see them in the water splashing, you can take a boat towards them.
big jay oakerson
When I was in South Africa, we went to Seal Island, which is that only place where the sharks breach.
To like jump and grab the seals.
That was pretty wild.
Yeah, yeah.
joe rogan
I haven't seen that.
big jay oakerson
It's pretty wild.
unidentified
Jimmy?
big jay oakerson
Yeah, it's the only place where they, because the seals are all up on like this kind of barge almost, and they just jump out and grab them.
ari shaffir
I love when they slide right at them.
big jay oakerson
The only place in the world where they breach the sharks.
joe rogan
I didn't even know sharks go to Alaska.
big jay oakerson
Not Alaska.
That was South Africa.
joe rogan
Oh, South Africa.
I thought it was Alaska.
That's how good this weight is.
ari shaffir
How close did it legalizing here?
joe rogan
Sigh.
Um, I don't know.
big jay oakerson
Someone told me yesterday that under something like...
joe rogan
Look at these fucking monsters.
They're so scary.
ari shaffir
Just beating it around.
joe rogan
I mean, what is scarier than sharks?
unidentified
Just smashing things with their teeth.
jamie vernon
Those guys fishing recently, and they had their fish right at the, I think it was a giant tuna, right at the edge of the boat, and that great white just comes and steals it right at the last episode.
ari shaffir
No, I haven't seen that.
joe rogan
Next, please.
ari shaffir
They had to go just jump backwards like, what the fuck.
joe rogan
Motherfucker, dude.
ari shaffir
Yeah.
joe rogan
Those things are so goddamn terrifying.
What a perfect eating machine.
Rows of teeth.
If one falls out they get another Oh not fall dude, right?
Right there.
big jay oakerson
My mother...
joe rogan
Holy fuck.
Right there.
ari shaffir
Wow.
joe rogan
Look, this is amazing.
ari shaffir
He could have fallen over.
He could have gotten dragged in.
unidentified
Yeah, right here, they had no idea.
ari shaffir
Yeah.
joe rogan
This is amazing.
unidentified
Now they know.
ari shaffir
And he's like...
joe rogan
Jesus Christ, that's a big one too, man.
big jay oakerson
My mom, when I was younger, her and one of her friends, like girlfriends, went to the Bahamas to go be young girls, I guess.
And I went to go stay with family in Florida.
And that night, we went to go see, in the theater, Jaws 4. And my mom told me that day, she was like, you know, this is like no cell phones or anything.
It's like house phone.
You call once a day.
And my mom was like, oh, we're getting ready to go on a banana boat today and do whatever and it's going to be fun.
And then that night I went to go see Jaws 4 with my uncle and Jaws particularly.
I didn't know what a banana boat was when she said it.
But in that movie there's a scene with a banana boat and that's when he shows up to the Bahamas Jaws and eats everybody off of a banana boat.
And I just cried the rest of the night.
I was like, nine.
joe rogan
Oh my god, that's awful.
big jay oakerson
You couldn't get a horn.
ari shaffir
Look how bad it looks!
joe rogan
Oh my god, those movies were so bad.
Once it got to Jaws 4, how nutty did it get?
Do you remember the storyline?
Well, you go from one of the greatest horror movies of all time, Jaws 1. And by the time you get to Jaws 3D, it's a disaster.
big jay oakerson
Jaws 2 was a stretch.
joe rogan
Jaws 2 was wacky.
ari shaffir
He's just standing in place, the shark.
joe rogan
How many people were in Jaws 2?
How many of the original people?
You lost the captain because he died.
That guy was the shit.
big jay oakerson
Roy Schreider, the wife.
joe rogan
So, Roy and the wife are back for two.
ari shaffir
It's like one of the younger guys, because he was like, something happened to me last year.
joe rogan
It's so crazy how a good movie like Roy Schreider in the first Jaws is amazing because it's a great movie.
ari shaffir
That old man was the best.
joe rogan
But then by the time you get to the other Jaws, is he still amazing?
big jay oakerson
I might be wrong with this, but I think Jaws, the idea is he took everything from this family.
Does Roy Schreider die in part two?
joe rogan
Does he?
big jay oakerson
I don't know if he did.
They have two kids.
I think one dies in part two in the beginning in an attack.
And then the beginning of the revenge, the Bahamas one, I think it kills his other kid or bites his arm.
joe rogan
Imagine if sharks were like crows where they recognize people that suck.
Get rid of that one.
big jay oakerson
They target them.
ari shaffir
Wow.
joe rogan
That's what crows do.
ari shaffir
They see, like, you suck in general?
joe rogan
If you do something to crows, they'll fucking squawk when you come around.
Like, if someone, like, shot, like, a crow with a BB gun or something like that, and the crows saw it happen, And the person like was there with the crow.
That person will get like swooped on by other crows.
Like when they go out, the crows will like swoop on them and get in their face.
big jay oakerson
Vengeance?
joe rogan
Yeah, like trying to fuck with them.
ari shaffir
You ever see the magpies swoop in...
joe rogan
Is this 2?
jamie vernon
This is the end of 2 where they kill it with the power cable or some shit like that.
ari shaffir
Get out, go to the water.
big jay oakerson
You son of a bitch.
joe rogan
Come on, you son of a bitch.
ari shaffir
Oh, I thought this was the end of 1. Oh, that's right.
joe rogan
And it bites it and he throws the cable in its mouth.
Come on.
Come on.
Your dad's crazy.
Here it is.
Oh my god.
Dad!
He has to look over.
ari shaffir
Come on.
You can hear that far.
unidentified
I remember the way they show it.
Zip, zip, zip.
joe rogan
Oh my god, that's the worst special effects of all time.
That's so stupid.
That is so stupid.
And what a dumb strategy.
What if the shark dives under that rope?
What if it's not stupid?
big jay oakerson
When he comes up, his nose just knocks the thing out of your hands.
joe rogan
Did you ever see the ones where the guys are in the shark cage and the shark goes through the bottom of the shark cage?
ari shaffir
Just destroys it.
joe rogan
It was real recent and almost got this guy's leg.
It's like literally goes through the bottom, snashing its teeth like inches from this guy's leg.
big jay oakerson
You're fucking with dinosaurs.
joe rogan
What are you doing?
Those things have been around for a hundred million years plus.
Those fucking things have been around forever.
They survived the dinosaurs.
ari shaffir
They throw chum in the water to get them to swim around.
And then your legs could stick out of the bottom.
joe rogan
Bro, those things are crazy.
They're just feeding machines to swim.
They can't even stop.
They stop and die.
big jay oakerson
Guys like Steve-O and them put like...
They put like steak in their pants and then jump in.
ari shaffir
Hook themselves by the chin.
big jay oakerson
Yeah, hook themselves by the chin and jump in and then accidentally like, remember that one?
joe rogan
Look at this.
big jay oakerson
He kicked him in the fucking face.
joe rogan
Look at this.
Look at this thing goes through the cage.
ari shaffir
It's destroyed.
He's got to get the fuck out now.
joe rogan
Watch this again.
unidentified
Because they put him in a plexigas glass cage for some reason.
joe rogan
This is so insane that they did this.
So insane.
And look at that thing.
So watch how it comes through the bottom.
Watch this.
ari shaffir
He thinks he's got something.
big jay oakerson
Wow.
Jesus.
joe rogan
It was going for him, man.
ari shaffir
Yeah.
joe rogan
It was going for him.
ari shaffir
It shattered it.
joe rogan
It was going for him and missed.
That's all that was.
big jay oakerson
Jesus.
joe rogan
Look at its mouth open.
big jay oakerson
Just smashes right through the glass.
joe rogan
It sees all that fish and thinks this is a big piece of fish that's just sitting there and no one's eating it.
ari shaffir
Wow.
joe rogan
So I'll just go eat that and he gets out of the way just in time, dude.
Look at that.
Just in time.
big jay oakerson
Almost a force pushed him up.
It wasn't even scurrying out of the way.
joe rogan
Right, it was the box breaking and kind of led him slightly to the side and he missed it.
big jay oakerson
Goddamn.
joe rogan
How did that guy survive that?
How did he get out of there?
That is fucking insane.
big jay oakerson
Yeah, pull him out immediately.
unidentified
That's all those things do, just swim and eat, swim and eat.
joe rogan
Probably just a blank crunching noise in their brain.
Probably no instincts at all.
ari shaffir
Don't care.
big jay oakerson
Is there any evidence of fish being emotional in any way at all?
joe rogan
No.
big jay oakerson
Or is it pure just a squid?
This lady said this once.
joe rogan
This lady said this once.
She goes, I eat fish because they don't take care of their kids.
I was like, it's true!
She's like, yeah, if I need protein, I'll eat fish.
I'm not connected to them.
I'm like, that's true.
I get it.
If you see a mama deer taking care of her baby deer, you're like, I get it.
ari shaffir
Kosher, you can eat anything.
You have to kill everything a certain way except fish.
You can eat alive if you want.
You can just take a bite out of one.
joe rogan
They don't care.
Kosher would mean you'd have to eat agriculture animals, right?
Because you couldn't hunt.
ari shaffir
Right.
For animals, except fish.
joe rogan
But what would you do in a case of an apocalypse?
Would you stick with that?
ari shaffir
No.
unidentified
Danger.
joe rogan
Can't start to death.
What would people do?
Do you have rules where you're allowed to get out of stuff?
ari shaffir
Yeah, if you're going to die, you can do a lot of stuff.
joe rogan
Okay.
ari shaffir
Yeah, you can't rape.
big jay oakerson
Can you eat a person with cheese?
unidentified
That's hilarious.
big jay oakerson
People eating cheese doesn't go together?
ari shaffir
It's like, ooh, that's the line.
joe rogan
That's our number one, right?
Like eating people.
When people eat people.
big jay oakerson
What do we eat people?
joe rogan
Well, that's like the Donner Party type shit.
They eat each other, stay alive.
And then they made it.
So you're on the other side.
You live, but you live because you ate your friend.
big jay oakerson
Yeah.
ari shaffir
It was like...
unidentified
It's tough.
Yeah.
joe rogan
Well, a lot of them were waiting for people to die and then eating them.
And I think some people probably just sacrificed themselves.
ari shaffir
I think some of those people were like, let's have a rule where nobody eats own family.
joe rogan
Oh, Jesus Christ.
Could you imagine?
big jay oakerson
Is there a circumstance that's not like a dire situation where you would try cooked human flesh in any way?
joe rogan
I'm not really interested in that.
big jay oakerson
Yeah.
joe rogan
No.
It just doesn't seem like a road you want to go down.
What if it's your favorite food?
big jay oakerson
You find out.
joe rogan
What if you eat it and you're like, holy shit.
Is this really people?
This is fucking amazing.
ari shaffir
It is delicious.
big jay oakerson
The perfect combo of salty and sweet.
joe rogan
Did you see the menu?
ari shaffir
Slow roast.
joe rogan
The movie The Menu?
big jay oakerson
Yeah.
ari shaffir
That was great.
joe rogan
Great movie, right?
That was a wild ass movie.
Like, that's the kind of movie where they would serve you human flesh.
big jay oakerson
Oh, yeah.
Yeah.
Well, Ari said that we brought it up today on the way here because he was saying him and Bobby Kelly went to the Copenhagen.
ari shaffir
Yeah.
It's kind of based on that.
big jay oakerson
Yeah.
unidentified
And it is.
ari shaffir
It's so up its own ass.
It's hilarious.
unidentified
Where were you guys?
ari shaffir
But they do everything great.
Denmark.
joe rogan
It's in Denmark?
Oh, Copenhagen?
ari shaffir
He just closed.
joe rogan
What's it called?
ari shaffir
Noma.
joe rogan
Oh, that's the guy that just decided out of the blue to stop.
ari shaffir
Second time.
joe rogan
He's like the greatest chef in the world.
Second time?
ari shaffir
First time he stopped, he won like the best restaurant in the world like three out of four years.
And then he was like, I'm out.
And then like a couple years later he came back.
And then he said like, there's no way to do this like by paying everybody enough.
So he's like, you can't make profits that way?
He goes, you're right.
Actually, we'll just shut down.
big jay oakerson
Wow.
ari shaffir
Yeah.
He's like, I thought about it.
This is weird to take advantage of people financially and then you can't operate otherwise.
big jay oakerson
What made it the best place?
Like things you would never combine ever?
ari shaffir
I told you they used to peel walnuts.
big jay oakerson
Yeah, but I mean- It was a 26-course meal.
Experience things for sure, but I'm just saying like, is it like a mixture of like- They spared no expense.
ari shaffir
They didn't overload it with tables.
They, like, moved it out so you had a great experience.
26 courses.
They were like, we have a wine pairing menu.
And I was like, okay.
And Bobby's like, I'm an alcoholic.
And they go, we got a juice pairing menu for you, though.
unidentified
Juice?
ari shaffir
And it's just like everything was taken care of.
big jay oakerson
Nice.
ari shaffir
Yeah, it was like two and a half hours.
big jay oakerson
How much is it per person?
ari shaffir
$500.
big jay oakerson
That's actually not as bad as I thought, though, really.
joe rogan
Very interesting.
ari shaffir
They have professional chefs peeling walnuts so you don't get the little shells thing stuck in your teeth.
joe rogan
Did you enjoy it as much as you enjoyed another really good restaurant?
Like, was it an added part of the experience to have all those courses?
ari shaffir
Yeah, yeah, yeah.
It was an adventure.
Fried moss.
Ants to mimic citrus.
big jay oakerson
How are the fries?
Skin on?
ari shaffir
And you leave hungry.
That's what everybody says, and it's true.
big jay oakerson
What makes the best restaurant in the world?
Oh, is that caviar and a whale stick?
joe rogan
Reindeer brain jelly.
ari shaffir
Wow.
joe rogan
What?
ari shaffir
Oh, everything's local.
He started local.
joe rogan
Reindeer brain jelly.
big jay oakerson
Nope.
ari shaffir
It's all good.
big jay oakerson
No, no it ain't.
joe rogan
Interesting.
ari shaffir
But it's not very filling.
big jay oakerson
Wait, what are they saying?
Hang on there.
joe rogan
Beetle made from berry hides and black garlic.
ari shaffir
Wow.
I didn't have that one.
joe rogan
Oh, wow.
Interesting.
Flower pot.
Rose-scented cake in the shape of a flower pot.
ari shaffir
Wow.
Wow.
unidentified
Come on.
joe rogan
That's insane.
ari shaffir
Come on.
unidentified
You're showing off.
ari shaffir
You're just showing off.
unidentified
Okay.
big jay oakerson
Duck brain.
joe rogan
Wow.
ari shaffir
Duck feet candies.
big jay oakerson
Nope.
joe rogan
Oh, my God.
big jay oakerson
No.
ari shaffir
What is that one?
unidentified
Chicken feet.
big jay oakerson
Nope.
joe rogan
Is that chicken feet?
big jay oakerson
Yeah.
unidentified
Yeah.
ari shaffir
Duck feet.
joe rogan
Fudge made from smoked duck fat.
ari shaffir
Wait, is it just shaped like duck feet?
joe rogan
I don't know.
Yeah, it's just shaped like duck feet.
But I mean, that's insane.
Wow.
So that's just a different kind of experience.
ari shaffir
It's all experiential.
It's also not bad.
It's good.
But like, it's for the adventure.
joe rogan
I'm like, I'm halfway into those.
I'm like, I just want to stay.
I'm gonna get a fucking red wine.
Goodbye medium rare.
Give me a glass of wine.
I'm fucking simple.
big jay oakerson
Me and Ari went to the blind place in Toronto once.
joe rogan
What's that?
big jay oakerson
Complete in the darkness.
What?
ari shaffir
Blind waiters and waitresses.
unidentified
What?
ari shaffir
They lead you to behind a curtain, then another curtain, then another pitch black.
They seat you down.
They feel your way down.
big jay oakerson
Absolute black.
Is that what you have to do?
Au Noir?
ari shaffir
Maybe.
I did one in Vietnam once and then we did this together.
joe rogan
So how do you see where you're going?
ari shaffir
They lead you.
big jay oakerson
They lead you.
joe rogan
What if you have to pee?
big jay oakerson
You tell them and they'll lead you.
joe rogan
They'll lead you to the bathroom.
How do you know where you're pissing?
How do you know when you're done wiping your ass?
big jay oakerson
You can't take a dump there, dude.
They take you out to the lobby.
unidentified
What?!
ari shaffir
Don't take a dump in a nice restaurant.
joe rogan
What if you have to take a dump?
You gonna hold it in to get a shit like that lady on OnlyFans?
big jay oakerson
What are you gonna do?
joe rogan
Sometimes you have to take a shit.
ari shaffir
Yeah, true.
joe rogan
Ari, you've shit in restaurants that are really nice before.
ari shaffir
Yeah, you're right.
I take it back.
I take it back.
You'll have to shit in the dark.
joe rogan
See, you'd only not do it because it's a blind restaurant.
ari shaffir
Right.
joe rogan
That's the only thing.
At a regular restaurant, of course you take a shit, right?
If you went to Noma...
ari shaffir
And I was like, I have to use the restroom.
I'm not gonna not enjoy this.
I'll be back in 18 minutes.
joe rogan
Isn't that why you have a toilet?
So I can take a shit?
But not at that blind place.
You'd be like, how do I know when I'm done wiping my ass?
What if I accidentally shit in my pants?
What if a little pinch of a log...
ari shaffir
Maybe they give you light in the bathroom.
joe rogan
Maybe your underwear are destroyed and you have to take them off and smell them.
You know?
big jay oakerson
Every time you wipe, you gotta clap your cheeks and see if it makes a mucky noise.
joe rogan
And then maybe you find out where the sink is to wash your fucking hands in the dark.
They have to have a sink there, too.
ari shaffir
Yeah, they gotta have a sink.
joe rogan
You have to wash your hands.
So then you have to take your underwear and put them in the sink.
ari shaffir
Maybe they go in there with you.
joe rogan
You smell your underwear and you don't like what you're smelling.
You're pitch black.
God damn it.
ari shaffir
Is this shit?
joe rogan
Did I shit my pants?
Then you can wash your underwear.
Your wet underwear in that sink and hope you got it good.
Dry it off with paper towels.
Put it back on.
ari shaffir
Why are you trying to save the underwear?
big jay oakerson
You don't have to worry about aesthetics.
You gotta worry about smell.
Smell should be problem number one you're trying to solve.
joe rogan
You're gonna need some soap on your underwear.
ari shaffir
Cover it up with some dirt.
joe rogan
And then as you're leaving, the blind people are going, what the fuck were you doing in there, man?
ari shaffir
And they can smell better than regular people, so they know.
joe rogan
Oh, they know.
They smell shit.
ari shaffir
Yeah, you thought you got it off, but you didn't.
big jay oakerson
I thought it was weird when we were eating, if me and Ari would stop talking for a minute, you could almost like...
Robotically zone in on conversations coming from different places.
You know what I mean?
Listening to other people and you can really hear it clearly.
But if you could shoot, then you could almost go.
There's also someone behind talking.
You can almost focus in.
It's very weird.
joe rogan
So are you eating with your hands?
unidentified
Or are you using forks?
ari shaffir
You get a fork and knife.
big jay oakerson
Maybe just spoons?
No, knife.
Forty spoons, yeah.
joe rogan
Jesus Christ.
ari shaffir
There was once we were gonna try each other's drink, so we're like, let's try this, let's pass it, but it's like, you have no idea, so you're just passing, I'm sliding mine over, I'm sliding, and then you're going back and forth, waiting slowly to touch his hand, and I'm like, how am I not getting it?
joe rogan
It's that dark.
ari shaffir
How am I not getting it?
Pitch black.
And then he goes, How far up are you?
I'm like, up?
Why are you including up?
big jay oakerson
First of all, it wasn't drinks.
It was something on our forks.
And I wasn't even thinking of that I was doing that, because Ari definitely is down here trying to, like, you know, feel our hands touch.
And I'm apparently just like, where's your face?
unidentified
Oh, get in the air!
joe rogan
Oh my god, you could have stabbed his eyes out!
big jay oakerson
Up?
Don't bro up at all!
joe rogan
Oh my god, up.
That's hilarious.
What a novel concept.
ari shaffir
Yeah, you couldn't tell what you were eating.
You were just guessing based on smell and taste.
big jay oakerson
But that's what I thought was interesting.
I was wrong on almost everything.
What they do is they ask you if you want to know or if you want to be surprised.
So I was like, we were both surprised.
And they ask you afterwards, what do you think that was?
And I mean, it was like pork.
And they're like, chicken.
ari shaffir
Damn.
big jay oakerson
Was that turkey?
That was sausage.
Everything was like nothing was right.
And you're like, if you can't see, it's amazing how much it affected that.
joe rogan
One that affects people that eat like fake meat.
ari shaffir
What they think they're eating meat?
unidentified
Yeah.
ari shaffir
It makes it taste better?
joe rogan
If you gave someone one of them fake meat burgers and didn't tell them, how much would they be able to tell?
Because most of the time when people are eating a Beyond Meat burger, they know, right?
ari shaffir
Right.
joe rogan
You do it on purpose.
ari shaffir
But if you lie to them?
joe rogan
Yeah, if you just gave it to them, how much would they know?
Especially, they might just think it's a bland burger.
Especially if it's got like, you put fucking all kinds of sauce and pickles and shit on it.
big jay oakerson
I had the one from Burger King once, the Impossible Whopper.
ari shaffir
How was it?
big jay oakerson
It tastes identical because you realize it's nothing to do with the meat anyway.
It's the way they stack that, you know, the mayo and whatever shit on it.
ari shaffir
Yeah, all the sugars.
joe rogan
I had a quarter pounder, like, about a year ago.
I've never eaten one of those.
And I pulled into it.
I was fucking starving.
I'm like, let's go.
ari shaffir
Come on, let me eat this stuff.
joe rogan
I put a quarter pounder in fries, and I was amazed at how sweet it tasted.
I'm like, it feels like there's sugar in this.
Like, do they put sugar in quarter pounders?
ari shaffir
Oh, gotta be.
Gotta be.
joe rogan
But I was eating it, and I was like, this is kind of like, it was delicious, first of all.
But it was also, it was like, this is kind of like a pastry and a burger at the same time.
It was so sweet.
It was good, though.
I mean, I get it.
ari shaffir
Obviously, yeah.
joe rogan
I get it.
It seems like...
ari shaffir
No one's going like, hmm, I learned to like it.
9 grams of sugar.
joe rogan
9 grams of sugar.
ari shaffir
That seems like...
How much is that next to a roll though?
unidentified
I don't know what it's in.
It could be in the bread.
joe rogan
That's nothing compared to like a can of coke.
But it's sweet enough that I was noticing it because most of the time like I'm like an in-and-out guy.
I like in-and-out with like lettuce wraps.
That's the best.
It's just meat and cheese and...
big jay oakerson
The guy with Five Guys makes a mean lettuce wrap too.
joe rogan
Five Guys has the best though.
big jay oakerson
They're all coming around.
But Five Guys has jalapenos.
joe rogan
They have better fries.
Five Guys has those Cajun fries.
big jay oakerson
Five Guys does?
joe rogan
Mm-hmm.
big jay oakerson
Skin on though, not my jam.
joe rogan
I'll take it.
big jay oakerson
Man, Ari's got an old Jewish bladder.
joe rogan
Well, it was me yesterday.
Sometimes you just fuck up and you over hydrate.
Yesterday I had to pee three fucking times in the first three hours.
Just drank too much water.
big jay oakerson
My age is hitting me that I don't have to pee a lot, but when I have to pee, we gotta get there now.
joe rogan
Yeah, as long as it's just pee.
big jay oakerson
When I have to pee, I have to go.
It's becoming shit.
Dude, congratulations.
That club is beautiful.
Thank you.
joe rogan
Thanks.
It's fun.
big jay oakerson
Everything everybody said it was, too, which is...
The energy down here is good right now for comedy.
joe rogan
Well, there's a lot of good people here and a lot of funny people that are actually working there, which is fun, too.
big jay oakerson
Well, you guys walked in the...
You guys are getting some Rebecca's down here with the creek and everything, and like...
It was weird.
I'd come down here and do gigs before you came down here, and with the scene changing, there was a little bit of pushback in the beginning.
I don't know if you got it on your plate at all, but it was funny.
Some of the comics in Austin, you'd be like, hey, it's becoming a real scene down there.
And it's like, yeah, for this batch of people.
It seemed like the cause of the divide that I didn't know was...
Not even like a...
It was already that thing in New York, I felt like.
joe rogan
You're always gonna have people when there's a lot of shows that only have like four or five people, like the Joe Rogan and Friends shows that I was doing at the Vulcan.
The people that are just left out.
Yeah, there's not enough data points.
There's not enough spots.
That's part of the reason why we decided to do two open mic nights.
unidentified
Love it.
joe rogan
So we have open mic night on Sunday and Monday.
And then, obviously, there's Kill Tony, which is the cornerstone of the comedy scene because that's where the new people, a lot of times, that's where they get their first set and they're doing it live on fucking YouTube.
It's amazing.
It's a great fucking fun show and it was awesome watching you guys.
ari shaffir
Smart to have a open mic right there.
They're there for it anyway.
Why make them waste their night if they don't get drawn?
joe rogan
Exactly.
This way you got a chance to do the open mic.
You got a chance to do Kill Tony.
There's another open mic on Sunday.
The way it's set up, it's set up to foster new talent, too.
It's not just set up to take care of existing talent.
It's set up so that you create a nice comedy environment where people can go and see guys like Shane Gillis, see guys like you guys go up, see guys like Greg Fitzsimmons or Schultz was here last week.
It was fucking amazing.
They get to see these people coming to town.
You have to see Dave Chappelle show up.
ari shaffir
Yeah.
joe rogan
You know, they're getting to see, like, the cream of the crop come in and fuck around.
ari shaffir
That's why she used to place in the door for that reason, to see better comics.
joe rogan
Exactly.
unidentified
Exactly.
joe rogan
Because it's a massive part of the education.
unidentified
Yeah.
joe rogan
So, we wanted to make sure that that was, like, a big part of what we were doing.
ari shaffir
Dude, there's a swarm of employees.
Just like all comics, I assume, or some level of it.
Just taking care of everything.
joe rogan
And they get to punch out.
Like, if they have a set, they can go punch out.
ari shaffir
Love that.
joe rogan
And come back.
big jay oakerson
Oh, really?
joe rogan
Yeah, if you have a set across town, just punch out, come back.
big jay oakerson
That's awesome.
ari shaffir
Yeah, don't waste the night.
Do a set.
joe rogan
Yeah, the whole idea is that it's an environment for growing new people and for spreading comedy.
A lot of comics, particularly in the beginning, They need something that they can believe in and count on.
And you don't necessarily get that if someone's doing these pop-up shows here or there.
You're like, how am I included in this?
How can I get included in this?
And the only way is you have to have open mics.
You have to have open mics.
It's the only way.
And then on top of open mics, you have to have little satellite rooms.
There's got to be a way you can kind of branch out.
This guy's got a room here, he's got a room there.
And you make this, you network with the other comics that are doing that, and you put together a fucking act.
But you want to know that there's like, what's the scene?
What's the community?
How many good comics are around here?
Can I learn from these people?
Because if you're stuck in a place where you're the funniest guy in town, you're in some weird spot in the middle of nowhere, you gotta get out of there, right?
If you want to grow as a comic, you're not gonna grow in a vacuum.
You're not gonna grow in a vacuum.
big jay oakerson
But do you think, that's what I mean, because it used to be obviously always they'd push you to the coast, New York or L.A. That's kind of like over now.
Do you think it's as like, here in Nashville is the same difference at this point as far as like...
joe rogan
I don't know what's going on in Nashville.
I mean, Nashville's Zany's, which is a great club.
It's been around forever.
It's one of the best in the country.
But I don't know what the scene is other than Zany's.
big jay oakerson
I don't know much either.
joe rogan
There's a lot of clubs here now.
ari shaffir
It's bigger here.
It's a lot bigger here.
joe rogan
There's a lot of clubs here now.
It's different.
There's a lot of world-class comedians that moved here.
It's kind of different.
And it's just slick.
I just want to make it a great place for everybody.
Fun for what we love to do.
That's what we loved the most about the store was the hang, the camaraderie.
We were just always fucking around, always laughing, always having fun.
ari shaffir
It was already a fun hang.
joe rogan
Yeah, and we also watch each other's sets.
I like that new thing.
We talk about a new bit.
big jay oakerson
It's fun.
But New York was the best gym, is the way I would put it, for comedy, because of the availability of stage time.
You could kind of keep going up from 3 p.m.
if you wanted to, until 2 o'clock in the morning.
And I don't think that's even true at all anymore, that you need to be in that scene now at all.
That's what I mean.
You could really get full-on successful and never leave your...
unidentified
Hometown?
big jay oakerson
Hometown's the wrong thing, but I said there's just more avenues, I think, now.
ari shaffir
But you can get up three times, four times a night here.
big jay oakerson
Absolutely.
ari shaffir
So you can get the spots now.
joe rogan
You definitely can here.
I mean, especially in that one area.
You've got the creek, Creek in the Cave, which is right there, right next to us.
Then you've got Vulcan, which is also like half a block away from us.
And then you have Red Band's room, the Sunset Strip.
What is it?
ari shaffir
Sunset Room?
big jay oakerson
Sunset Strip.
joe rogan
Sunset Strip ACX. Sunset Strip Room.
And that's right next to us.
That's 500 seats.
ari shaffir
Plus bar shows.
joe rogan
Yeah.
And then there's plenty of shows.
There's also the Velveeta Room.
I haven't been to that.
Ron White says it's a place called the Green Room that's a small spot that's right over there.
big jay oakerson
That's awesome.
joe rogan
So there's a lot of spots.
And then you're always going to have the out-of-town stuff.
You're always going to have someone's doing a comedy show in Dripping Springs.
Someone's doing a comedy show here.
There's a bar.
They're hiring comedians.
big jay oakerson
But the industry is not leaving LA. That's what I wonder if it's going to go like that ever.
ari shaffir
Do you think so?
Yeah, sure.
joe rogan
If there's people here.
unidentified
I agree with you.
joe rogan
The industry is kind of podcasts.
For us, the industry is podcasts.
The industry is podcasts and stand-up.
That's the industry for us.
We think of the industry as like someone's going to hire us to do something outside of doing stand-up.
ari shaffir
Yeah, right.
joe rogan
Which is like, is that really what you want?
big jay oakerson
It sounds like, which I don't care about, like auditioning for movies or TV stuff.
It's never been my deal anyway.
joe rogan
If it is your deal, that's the place to be.
ari shaffir
But at this point, too, it's all Zoom on that shit.
You just have to fly in for the final meeting.
big jay oakerson
Yeah, you're not wrong.
joe rogan
Yeah, but you've got to network.
If you want to make it as an actor...
ari shaffir
God, those sickening fucking networking parties of my life are still going on.
joe rogan
You have to go to those things.
If you're someone in the beginning, you want the casting people to like you, you want the executives to like you.
You're like, oh, that Jay's a charming guy.
He's really fun.
ari shaffir
Yeah.
joe rogan
You know, you'd go to these things and they'd like you because you'd hang out with them and talk shit.
unidentified
Ugh.
big jay oakerson
Industry laughter is the worst feeling in the world.
ari shaffir
All trying to have a good time.
big jay oakerson
It's wild.
joe rogan
Literal vampires.
unidentified
Yep.
ari shaffir
Yep.
joe rogan
Literal vampires.
ari shaffir
Sucking the youth out of, like, one-two talent.
joe rogan
But that's the nature of the gig.
The nature of the gig is you've got to depend on other people to come up with stuff that you can get credit for.
ari shaffir
That's the way that animal feeds.
joe rogan
100%, dude.
It's the nature of the gig.
And, you know, you have enormous power.
When you're at a network, like, deciding what does and doesn't get on the air.
ari shaffir
Everyone's gonna like ya.
joe rogan
And it's all so weird.
Like, you know, they have these weird sweetheart deals at production companies.
At least they did in the sitcom days.
And so, like, a crappy show would be on right after Friends, and it would be, like, number two in the ratings.
And everybody's like, what the fuck?
ari shaffir
Because of the lead-in.
joe rogan
Because of the lead-in.
These are garbage shows.
Shows that were just like...
ari shaffir
Single guy.
joe rogan
Oh, Jesus Christ.
There was a few of them.
ari shaffir
They also ran shows.
It was like in between Seinfeld and Friends and in between Seinfeld and ER. Paul Sims from NewsRadio famously called it a shit sandwich.
joe rogan
It's like, it's what it is.
It's like they're sandwiching two good shows, Seinfeld and Friends.
big jay oakerson
The idea now of anything like that Abbott Elementary, I've never seen it, but I've heard good things about it and it's staying around.
It's popular.
unidentified
It's huge.
big jay oakerson
But where does that happen anymore?
Like...
Where a sitcom should be anyone's endgame anymore.
joe rogan
I feel like if it's really good, people always love them.
If someone can come up with a really good, curb your enthusiasm, people always love them.
big jay oakerson
Sure, always Sonny was great.
joe rogan
They always love them.
ari shaffir
They're just generally so fucking lame.
big jay oakerson
But they're few and far between, and a lot of times it's just like, it seems like, I feel like there's no learning from the mistakes, and I don't know if always, and I was just throwing in like, Let's make you best friends with the X. Retro.
You know what?
This guy was popular at this one point.
Throw him in another show.
ari shaffir
John Cryer.
John Cryer.
joe rogan
Two and a half men.
It's just a weird life, man.
It's a weird life.
big jay oakerson
George Lopez is back.
The George Lopez show.
Now it's called Lopez vs.
Lopez.
ari shaffir
You see a commercial for you at a bar sometimes and it'll come on mute and you're just like, this looks like a sketch.
It looks like they're playing a sketch of what a sitcom was.
joe rogan
It used to be the thing you wanted.
In the 90s when I came here, I was like, holy shit, you're on a sitcom.
The real thing was having your own sitcom.
Everybody wanted their own sitcom.
And you meet these other people that have their own sitcom, and they're like, whoa.
big jay oakerson
You got your own.
Almost the sign for failure, though, is when the name...
The Seinfeld model, people tried to use it.
Remember it was Clegghorn?
Yeah.
Costello.
Sue Costello had her own thing once.
joe rogan
I remember when I was on NewsRadio, Tom Rhodes had the Tom Rhodes Show.
big jay oakerson
He was a teacher.
joe rogan
I was like, dude, you got your own show.
This is crazy.
I had known Tom from the clubs.
To see him have his own...
ari shaffir
You have the Tom Rhodes Show.
joe rogan
That's nuts.
Was that before or after he did that talk show overseas?
big jay oakerson
Before.
Well before.
ari shaffir
Then that ended and he got a job offer there and he just loved Amsterdam, I think.
big jay oakerson
He still had the long hair when he was on the sitcom.
joe rogan
Oh yeah, beautiful hair.
ari shaffir
Tom Rhodes is in the running for Coolest Guy in Comedy.
big jay oakerson
Oh, yeah.
ari shaffir
You'd have to at least nominate him.
big jay oakerson
What a life.
ari shaffir
What a life.
joe rogan
He's an interesting guy.
You follow him on Instagram.
He's always going to these interesting places.
He does a lot of traveling, takes photos of it.
big jay oakerson
I never think it's for comedy, but it always is.
ari shaffir
Yeah, it's always for comedy.
joe rogan
That's wild.
big jay oakerson
I'm going to Ponyang.
It's like, for what?
You want to see some famous thing?
That's smart, though.
joe rogan
See things, book a gig.
ari shaffir
He had an album that was just bits about local places.
Like a Shanghai bit and then a fucking Mongolia bit for in that town or in that place.
And it was like 135 minutes.
joe rogan
Can you imagine doing comedy for Mongolians and they get mad at you?
ari shaffir
You cross the line like, what?
joe rogan
Oh no!
ari shaffir
They jump on archers on horseback coming at you.
joe rogan
You're so fucked.
You know how scary that would be?
You piss off a dude with a fur hat.
big jay oakerson
They'll piss off Mongols.
You get the Fu Manchus.
joe rogan
He's got a falcon on his wrist.
ari shaffir
Get him!
joe rogan
Takes the mask off that fucking monster.
big jay oakerson
Shoulder pads of skulls.
joe rogan
Imagine they turn the lights on in that blind menu place.
That's what you get.
unidentified
No!
big jay oakerson
It's all Mongols.
ari shaffir
It's a horror!
joe rogan
They've been slicing human beings like a fucking ham.
unidentified
Slicing pieces and serving it to you.
joe rogan
Jesus.
ari shaffir
The club is great, though, dude.
unidentified
Thank you.
ari shaffir
I'm really excited.
I did a set in the other room, too.
That was fun.
Got a good late-night OR vibe.
joe rogan
It's got a good late-night OR vibe in the little room.
The big room is not like the main room, but it's not like the OR. It's kind of like the OR on steroids.
It's just a larger OR, but the sound, it's a real honest room.
It's really good.
Set up great.
ari shaffir
It feels like a balcony from on stage, but it's not.
joe rogan
Shout out to Louis C.K. because he gave me some really good advice about the setup.
He came while we're in the middle of construction.
We changed a couple of things because of his advice.
big jay oakerson
I love that.
joe rogan
Yeah, we lowered the ceiling in the little room.
We made the stage smaller.
The stage was like four feet larger on each side.
He's like, why is it so big?
I'm like, yeah, why is it so big?
Let's go chop it up.
ari shaffir
In the little room.
joe rogan
Yeah, I just said, just tell me what you think, and I'll do that.
ari shaffir
Wow.
joe rogan
He's like, lower the ceiling, like here, lower the ceiling to there, and then the other room, like lower it even further, and the other room, like, okay, lower it.
big jay oakerson
That's funny when someone gives you really expensive advice.
ari shaffir
Yeah.
big jay oakerson
He goes, say it, and I'll do it.
He goes...
I'd get rid of this wall.
Shit.
ari shaffir
Move it two inches.
joe rogan
Yeah.
He just told me what he thought.
He was right.
He was thinking about it.
I was like, yeah, do it.
He's like, do it right the first time.
I'm like, yep.
ari shaffir
You're right.
Fix it before it opens.
joe rogan
Because I thought it would be okay the way it was, but it wouldn't be optimal.
That's the point.
You're doing all this construction.
Why not make it optimal?
It just required a lot more shit.
A lot more stuff have to be in place.
ari shaffir
But I mean, man, it's just run so right.
joe rogan
Yeah, it's great.
It's awesome.
ari shaffir
It looks like a, like it feels like a club, you know, like a real old, like this one works club.
big jay oakerson
Have you farmed out like the boss jobs enough that you don't feel like you have to have weird things with people ever?
joe rogan
Well, there's weird things.
You're always going to have weird things.
One of the great things about that building is the building itself.
There's something about that building, man.
There's something about these old, old, old buildings.
I feel like they've got There's some memory in that building.
ari shaffir
Some abortions late night.
joe rogan
That's the story.
When we started right away, it was like, Jesus Christ, it feels like we've been here for like 10 years.
Everybody was kind of weirded out on their first set because it was just kind of crazy.
Like, oh my God, we're doing it.
Because we talked about doing it for two years.
ari shaffir
So many years, it was around the corner.
joe rogan
Yeah.
Well, you know what happened.
Now you know.
The cult.
big jay oakerson
The cult.
ari shaffir
This gay hypnotist got in the way.
joe rogan
I slithered out of that fucking deal.
And I had to get a new place.
ari shaffir
The building sank under a mound of cum.
joe rogan
And that was after I'd already hired everybody.
So I had to find another spot.
big jay oakerson
Oh, so you changed places.
Oh, yeah, it was gonna be out of town.
unidentified
Yeah, the cult place.
joe rogan
The cult place that we talked about earlier, that holy hell.
That was the original place.
big jay oakerson
That's so funny.
It's haunted by the ghosts of cheek implants.
joe rogan
Bro, haunted by all the sorrow of people who wasted 20 years doing that.
ari shaffir
Following a dude.
joe rogan
It was so sad.
At the end of the documentary, when you see these people now regretting deeply their time in the cult.
ari shaffir
They're years.
big jay oakerson
I gave my life to this man, and all I got was buttfucked.
That's too much for a t-shirt.
joe rogan
They all seem to agree that in the beginning it was awesome.
big jay oakerson
There were nice moments to it.
Just like the government.
joe rogan
1776, in the beginning, it was awesome.
big jay oakerson
It was awesome.
joe rogan
You had your Second Amendment, you had your First Amendment.
big jay oakerson
But he liked the Charles Mansons.
As his mind went, since he was the leader, they would have went every direction he wanted to go.
If he goes, every day, we're going to go out and give flowers to people and tell them, like, put a smile on your face, it'll make things...
But he just started going, like, nah, race war.
joe rogan
Do you know about that?
Do you know the whole story of the Mansons story?
You should read this book called Chaos from Tom O'Neill.
It's Greg Fitzsimmons' neighbor.
You know that story?
He wrote a book about Manson and the CIA. Manson was literally trained in LSD. This guy, Jolly West, visited him in jail.
He was a part of a program they were doing.
They dosed him up with acid and then gave him acid to seduce these hippies.
And taught him strategies for like, don't do acid, but tell them you did, and then they do it, and this is how you control them.
He had guided help throughout his time, because they were trying to discredit the hippie movement and the anti-war movement, and they were trying to see if they could get a guy to convince hippies to be murderers.
big jay oakerson
Oh, to make them fear?
joe rogan
He got arrested.
He was on parole.
He got arrested multiple times.
And when he got arrested, they would always let him go.
And they would always say, we found out it was above our pay grade.
So they were making...
This is documented in this book called Chaos.
You've got to read this book.
Because this is not like wild assertions.
This is a guy who went on this rabbit hole for 20 years.
And he uncovered all the evidence about the case.
And he's like, there's real evidence that this MKUltra, Operation MKUltra mind control shit, that Manson was a part of that.
They were helping him.
Where did he get all this acid?
He was getting this acid, giving it to these kids.
How does he know how to control these people and get them to do things?
They taught him how to do it in prison.
big jay oakerson
They were never in their right mind, that's true.
There was never a clear mind in the place.
Everyone was burned out.
joe rogan
He programmed these people while they were high on acid and got them to kill people.
ari shaffir
Wow, it worked.
joe rogan
He got really vulnerable, very gullible people.
You dose them up with acid.
I hate your garbage, man!
And then the next thing you know, you're fucking stabbing people because you feel like they're pigs.
big jay oakerson
The guy, when he did, I don't know if it was a Diane Sawyer, whatever the ones he did in jail, and then when it cuts to at one point, they go, I went on to ask a few more questions that he just did, and it's kind of like montages him pointing crazy and then doing like, like Elvis karate at one point.
unidentified
He must have been on such a fun level.
joe rogan
There was a thing in the book where he threatened one of the Beach Boys because he wanted to be a musician.
Remember that?
He wanted to be a musician.
It didn't work out for him.
So he was trying to kill one of the fucking Beach Boys.
I think it was Brian Wilson.
ari shaffir
To replace him?
joe rogan
To punish him.
big jay oakerson
No, so it was the Beach Boys guy.
It was Brian Wilson's brother.
Whatever the other Wilson it was, I believe.
joe rogan
What did he accuse him of?
big jay oakerson
So, I think he just, like, loved getting his drugs and pussy that he would bring around.
ari shaffir
Who would bring around?
big jay oakerson
Charles Manson.
Manson would bring around these chicks and whatever, and they'd party with the guys.
And then, you know, I think he gave them, like, a...
I think he brought one of his songs to the Beach Boys and they recorded it.
I think the Beach Boys recorded a song written, co-written at least, yeah.
joe rogan
Learn Never To Love was written by Charles Manson.
big jay oakerson
Yeah.
joe rogan
If you've ever heard this fact before without any details, you might think that Manson had some kind of career in the music industry before he went weird.
Those murders meant he was connected with a bunch of stars in Los Angeles, right?
But this connection was more than professional.
For a while, Beach Boy Dennis Wilson was actually sharing a house with the Manson family, Holy shit!
Wow.
It's April 1968 when Wilson picked up a couple of hitchhiking women.
Have you ever seen Once Upon a Time in Hollywood?
Picture that scene where Brad Pitt's character picks up a Manson follower played by Margaret Qualley.
The women of the family used this tactic repeatedly to lure in new followers.
The two hitchhikers offered to come to Wilson's place.
Wilson didn't realize they'd take up residence following the one night stand or that their guru Charles and his other followers would move in as well.
Holy shit.
big jay oakerson
Read the next paragraph.
Also, Pete Davidson's notch list.
God bless him, dude.
joe rogan
Fellow beach boy Brian Wilson would later describe coming to dinner at Dennis's place and seeing him with Manson and a bunch of Manson girls all naked.
An LSD orgy followed dinner and when he declined to take part and just went for a shower, a naked Charles tried to join him there and warned him that leaving the group was not an option.
ari shaffir
Wow.
You're fucking us.
joe rogan
Oh my god.
Leaving the group was not an option.
ari shaffir
No showers.
You're fucking us.
joe rogan
Oh my god.
big jay oakerson
Yeah, and then the first thing...
joe rogan
Imagine Charles Manson in your house with a boner telling you it's time to fuck.
Get down here.
This is not an option.
ari shaffir
Come on.
joe rogan
It's not an option.
big jay oakerson
Yeah, but what it was, I think, like...
joe rogan
Well, look at this.
Brian got the hell out of the house that night, but Dennis stayed behind, of course, and for a while he seemed trapped.
The family occupied his home for months, racking up close to a million dollars in expenses in today's money, including a large amount just on STD treatments.
Dennis publicly spoke highly of Manson and said he was happy that the family were relieving him of the burden of wealth, which sounds truly like something only a cult member would say.
ari shaffir
They were relieving him of the burden?
You could just give it away.
joe rogan
Wow.
big jay oakerson
And then the guy that usually ended up at Sharon Tate's was, I guess it was the producer that...
I think that Dennis guy was eventually like, okay, man, I'll try to get you a record deal.
And took it to whoever this producer was.
And the producer was like...
I think he was like not interested and then moved the next day.
joe rogan
Oh my god.
big jay oakerson
And so they went to the wrong house.
Yeah, he wasn't there to kill like Sharon Tate and then they just killed everybody in the house.
unidentified
Jesus Christ.
joe rogan
That's so spooky.
big jay oakerson
He was like kill whoever's- Oh no, was that- Yeah, that was them.
ari shaffir
Kill everybody in the house.
big jay oakerson
That was Tex Watson.
joe rogan
Tex Watson was the guy who killed most of the people, right?
And then there was Squeaky Fromm who tried to kill Nixon.
No, no, Ford.
She tried to kill Ford, right?
big jay oakerson
Is she one of the ones you can see her talk now and she's like, yeah, that was a weird decade, huh?
unidentified
Really?
ari shaffir
Yeah, I think some of them are so like...
joe rogan
Well, I know that she kept going up for parole and then I'm like, nah, player.
You're a little too wild.
big jay oakerson
There's old ladies now, it's so funny.
Like, yeah, you know.
It's the 60s, man.
joe rogan
She tried to kill Gerald Ford in 75. See if you can find a video of her talking.
big jay oakerson
Oh, wow.
ari shaffir
Look.
unidentified
Wow.
Not bad.
ari shaffir
Squeaky front.
Oh, she's young.
joe rogan
Oh, man.
But that's the thing, man, with these LSD cults.
Like, what they were doing was orchestrated.
Like, they were trying to figure out what was possible with LSD. And the best way to figure that out was to get someone to do it on a bunch of hippies.
And that way you could discredit the movement.
At the same time, you could also find out what strategies you can employ to get people to follow you.
And can you get people to murder people?
If you do this correctly.
ari shaffir
You can also get it up to...
big jay oakerson
Fuck those dumpy broads he hung around.
More like squeaky frump.
joe rogan
The CIA, there's real evidence in this book that they ran a clinic in Haight-Ashbury in San Francisco.
ari shaffir
Dosing people.
joe rogan
We know they were dosing people at brothels.
They did it at brothels.
They did this Operation Midnight Climax.
So these guys would go into these whorehouses, try to have sex with the lady, the lady would give them a drink, and the drink would have acid in it.
And they'd be tripping balls through a two-way mirror.
And they would study these guys.
unidentified
Is this her talking?
joe rogan
That's not her, is it?
big jay oakerson
No, the first one I think was her.
unidentified
I thought, well, maybe I'll bring a gun.
And then I said to myself, are you going to shoot him?
And I said, I'm going to go see what's necessary.
So I had all these thoughts about what I wanted to accomplish and I just put the gun out and stuck it in there and there was no bullet in the chamber.
A Boondorf, a secret service agent, grabbed it and an interesting thing happened.
A guy...
big jay oakerson
You see what I mean though?
unidentified
...high on marijuana.
He was wearing a yellow suit.
And when they had me on the ground and I was telling them it's okay.
It's okay.
It didn't go up.
It's okay.
The guy walked over and he picked up my hand and I was so relaxed.
Then he was talking to me and the Secret Service agent said, who are you?
He was the guy with the beard.
I always wanted to talk to him afterward.
Whoa.
big jay oakerson
Yeah, they're so like, they're like, yeah, well, what is everyone doing?
joe rogan
Is that lady out of jail, or did they film this in jail like that, which is really creepy if they did?
ari shaffir
I think she's out of jail.
joe rogan
She must be out of jail.
ari shaffir
I'm saying out of jail.
joe rogan
She must be out of jail.
There's no way...
If they wanted to do it in jail, they would make it look like you were in jail.
ari shaffir
Yeah.
That's far the fun.
I would just make it look not in jail.
unidentified
Jailhouse interview.
big jay oakerson
They really did go against...
ari shaffir
100%.
joe rogan
Right.
Jail clothes.
unidentified
Yeah.
ari shaffir
So much more fun.
unidentified
Yeah.
joe rogan
You want jail clothes.
big jay oakerson
They were against all of the ideas of hippies, though.
But wasn't that also sort of the thing?
Was they were supposed to be setting people up, right?
Like they were gonna go do violent crimes to blame...
joe rogan
There's a lot they did.
big jay oakerson
Black people to start the war.
joe rogan
Yeah, there's a lot they did.
Charles thought he was gonna start a race war.
But there's a lot of what they were doing was orchestrated by him giving these people acid and telling them what to do and then him not doing acid.
And he was like guiding them.
It's really creepy.
It's almost wish that before he died he would have told the story of like how all that happened.
ari shaffir
So he was like, you're not gonna make me make them do this thing.
I'll just not take the acid, then I'll make them do whatever I want.
joe rogan
Yeah, he would...
Look, first of all, those killings, he wasn't involved in those, but he might have killed some people.
There's some evidence that he probably killed someone somewhere along the line.
And then there was these people that were just lost kids.
Lost kids and getting dosed up with acid by a lifetime criminal.
A guy who was a con man his whole life.
Working in conjunction with the CIA, if that's true.
That is a fucking wild thing that happened.
big jay oakerson
Yeah.
joe rogan
And that they did it to try to stop the anti-war movement and stop the hippie movement, but we know they did certain things like that.
Like, I had Rick Doblin from Maps on the other day, and he was explaining how the sweeping Schedule I Act of 1970, a lot of it was designed to stop protests and to stop the Black Panthers and to stop all these other people that were doing all these different things, like the anti-war people, because then they could arrest them.
They could arrest them for pot.
They could arrest them for mushrooms.
They could arrest them, and this is Schedule I shit now.
big jay oakerson
You're all fucked.
They're going away, yeah.
joe rogan
All the people that thought it was okay to take acid, nope.
Now you're going to jail.
And they could just round up everybody with these new tactics.
ari shaffir
Get rid of them.
And say, hey, they want acid.
And people are like, oh, okay, we've got to get rid of them.
joe rogan
Also, people scatter, too.
Like, how committed are you to the cause?
If everybody's getting locked up by the government, you get the fuck out of town.
You abandon ship and start a real job.
A lot of people probably bailed on it.
That's what we wanted to do.
big jay oakerson
Many uncredited Manson family members.
And they do.
They pop up in, like, documentaries.
They go, yeah, you can see me in the back of one picture.
My name's Cliff.
joe rogan
We had a lot of family members.
big jay oakerson
Yeah, that's what I'm saying.
There's just some other guy who wasn't there that night.
He goes, no, I was back at the place getting some pussy from this new girl.
I heard they went out and killed somebody.
That's pretty nuts.
unidentified
Yeah, right.
joe rogan
What a crazy time, too, right?
Because you're relying on newspapers, right?
That's where you're getting your information from.
And, you know, there's a little briefing on the 5 o'clock news.
Nobody knows what the fuck is going on.
You're hearing word of mouth, right?
And you find out that these people are getting murdered in the Hollywood Hills by hippies.
You're like, what?
ari shaffir
We gotta get rid of these hippies.
unidentified
What?
joe rogan
Exactly.
ari shaffir
It's so scary.
joe rogan
Oh my god, they're doing ass and they're murdering people.
It's a perfect plan.
If you really can get a guy like Manson and convince him that he's got to do this for you, and that's why he's free.
Like, we have you.
You're free.
Like, he gets arrested.
They get him out.
Look, you owe me, you piece of shit.
You understand me?
Like, and then get him to do these things.
Get him to commit crimes.
Get him to murder people.
They were after that Polish artist, right?
Wojciech Wieckowski?
Weren't they trying to kill him?
Or was he like accidentally at the house?
But he got murdered, too.
big jay oakerson
In the Sharon Tate house?
joe rogan
Yeah.
big jay oakerson
Everyone in there, it was just like a kill whoever was there.
I think Manson found out when they went home that it was like, hey, that producer guy you're pissed off wasn't there.
He just moved.
joe rogan
Oh, that's right.
That's right.
So was he trying to get one of the Wilson's?
big jay oakerson
That murder was pissing off by saying the guy who was like, I'm not interested in your music and I don't care.
ari shaffir
And then he wasn't even there.
big jay oakerson
It seemed like it was Dennis Wilson brought him to, like, okay, fine, like, you know.
joe rogan
That's right.
big jay oakerson
You're hooking me up so much, like, here's a producer.
And when the producer was, like, not interested, I think he got mad at Dennis Wilson.
And Dennis Wilson was like, I can only, like, bring you to the guy.
ari shaffir
Yeah.
big jay oakerson
And so his thing was to have them go kill him that night and his family.
ari shaffir
Dennis Wilson.
big jay oakerson
No, this producer.
And the producer just happened to move.
ari shaffir
Wow.
joe rogan
Oh my god.
big jay oakerson
Like they caught him on a day that he was moving or his address was listed wrong or something.
You know, it was just like...
joe rogan
Right.
I think you rented the house out, right?
Or something like that?
big jay oakerson
Yeah, cuz he said they just moved in and he was like Roman Polanski was off doing whatever.
unidentified
Fuck.
big jay oakerson
Doing whatever.
ari shaffir
They said that's what killed the 60s, the spirit of the 60s.
joe rogan
There was a lot of those things that happened, but it was very orchestrated.
Like the fact that they were able to make everything schedule one.
We still have those things schedule one.
ari shaffir
Oh, it's so annoying.
joe rogan
It's so long later.
It's 50 years later.
And those things are still Schedule 1. It doesn't make any sense.
big jay oakerson
Also, 60s, so much young, deaf, and more important to people in society at the time.
The 27 Club and all those people kind of going down.
That killed the spirit of the 60s, too.
You know what I mean?
Everyone was just gone.
Like, oh, I guess this lifestyle's not good.
Yeah, you're like, this is a fun life of taking drugs and getting acid, and it's like, oh, everyone's fucking dying.
ari shaffir
They're fucking killing Beatles.
joe rogan
Yeah.
big jay oakerson
They're killing the Beatles.
ari shaffir
Yeah.
joe rogan
When did they kill John?
big jay oakerson
That was 80, though.
joe rogan
That was in the 80s.
unidentified
I think it was 1980. Right outside his apartment building.
ari shaffir
Right outside.
joe rogan
Jesus Christ.
ari shaffir
She still lives there.
unidentified
Jesus Christ.
ari shaffir
How about Move?
Yeah, how about Move?
She still lives there?
I think so.
Or maybe just sold it.
unidentified
Maybe that was like a clever real estate ploy.
ari shaffir
Yeah, it's worth more now.
joe rogan
You know, like American Psycho style?
Remember with American Psycho, he goes back to that.
It was in the book, too.
It's even more graphic.
But he goes back to one of his apartments where he left a body, and it's missing.
ari shaffir
It's all cleaned up.
joe rogan
It's all cleaned up, and the real estate agent's looking at him very funny.
ari shaffir
So what are you doing here?
joe rogan
What does it say?
She still lives in the apartment building along with her son, Sean.
Wow.
That's weird.
ari shaffir
It's probably a dope apartment.
Sean Lennon's like 45 years old now.
unidentified
Yeah.
joe rogan
It's probably a dope apartment.
She lives with his mom.
Maybe they enjoy it.
Is that okay, Ari?
ari shaffir
It's not, is what I'm saying.
No.
joe rogan
He doesn't like bringing girls home.
ari shaffir
I have to imagine he breastfeeds still.
joe rogan
Maybe.
ari shaffir
Maybe.
big jay oakerson
He's like the chubby DJ one, right?
joe rogan
He's at the world record, we didn't know it.
All this time, that's what's been going on.
ari shaffir
I love those ones.
joe rogan
He's been going for the Guinness Book.
ari shaffir
Of longest breastfeedings.
unidentified
What is the Guinness Book of longest time breastfeeding?
joe rogan
Someone's gotta be 18. Not an individual session, but I mean, like, when did you stop?
ari shaffir
Keep it going.
big jay oakerson
Stop lactating.
joe rogan
Because it's weird when you hear about kids that are five and you're like, what?
What happened?
ari shaffir
He's how old?
big jay oakerson
If they keep sucking, it will eventually stop on its own.
It'll keep going.
ari shaffir
I think it'll keep going.
joe rogan
We're so dumb.
big jay oakerson
I don't know.
unidentified
We're so dumb.
We don't know.
joe rogan
I would imagine it would probably help keep it going, but eventually your body would be like, bitch, you had a baby five years ago.
Like, what are we doing?
big jay oakerson
Is there anything legal that can get involved if your mother, when you were 17, was like, he still drinks from the...
Do you get arrested?
Is that sexual at that point?
unidentified
At a certain point in time, right?
ari shaffir
You say this is not sexual at all.
joe rogan
They broke breastfeeding records.
unidentified
Breastfeed their children and are 13. Shut the fuck up.
big jay oakerson
Shut the fuck up.
ari shaffir
What?
joe rogan
Until their children are 13. Wow.
Until their children are teenagers.
ari shaffir
They can do crossovers.
joe rogan
That seems a little insane.
12 year olds are pretty fucking smart.
They know that's weird.
big jay oakerson
Hey mom, I'm getting ready to learn my Bar Mitzvah Haftura.
Oh, the kid's going through puberty.
unidentified
Wow.
joe rogan
Look at this.
Her son, Mason, is already going through puberty.
But for this duo, there's no reason to end their breastfeeding relationship.
They have had many occasions where people have said things to them or gave them dirty looks.
Was he sucking on her tit at the airport?
ari shaffir
It's going to be odd.
It's going to be odd for people.
joe rogan
Well, her son, we're in line at a movie theater waiting to purchase their tickets and decided it was time for a breastfeeding session.
ari shaffir
That's just showing off.
unidentified
Holy shit!
big jay oakerson
That's showing off.
That's big dicking.
ari shaffir
Come on, go to the bathroom.
joe rogan
It is not surprising that people found it to be a little awkward.
The ticket clerk shouted at her from behind the desk.
Oh my god.
To them her no...
Oh, to them her no?
I don't know what it's spelled wrong.
That she needed to stop doing that.
Mullen became angry because of his comment and told him, I am a mother and I have every right to feed my child in public.
Furthermore, lots of women are afraid to breastfeed in public now.
big jay oakerson
That's not the same thing.
joe rogan
Oh my god.
ari shaffir
I love it.
13-year-old kid.
Oh my god.
That's so weird!
big jay oakerson
If I saw a lady...
If I saw a lady, a 13-year-old boy going into one of those pods at the airport to breastfeed, I'd rather find out he's fucking her.
ari shaffir
Yeah, for sure.
joe rogan
I would be less disturbed than if it was his mom and he's sucking on his mom's tit.
Right?
That's the Oedipus thing.
big jay oakerson
How do you go to school?
That's homeschooling for sure.
You can't go to school and...
ari shaffir
You're gonna get a boner at that age.
joe rogan
That's one of the weirdest things that...
A mother's son.
You know in Bonobos?
Bonobos fuck everybody.
Everybody fucks everybody.
But the mothers won't fuck their sons.
ari shaffir
Interesting.
big jay oakerson
Everyone's got a line.
joe rogan
Everybody fucks everybody.
Dads fuck all their kids.
They fuck their brother.
They fuck their sister.
They fuck everybody.
But the mothers are like, get the fuck away from me.
big jay oakerson
The aristocrats.
joe rogan
Shall we?
Let's wrap this up.
unidentified
Yeah.
joe rogan
Jay, congratulations on your special.
You're fucking hilarious.
I'm very excited to work with you tonight.
We're going to have a good time.
ari shaffir
Oh, yeah.
joe rogan
Ari, we're going to have a good fucking time.
ari shaffir
Doing my storytelling show tonight?
joe rogan
Yes, sir.
ari shaffir
That's going to be great.
joe rogan
All right.
Anything else to plug other than the specials on YouTube?
It's available right now.
big jay oakerson
Available right now.
ari shaffir
My first production credit for stand-up.
joe rogan
What the fuck did you just say?
Those words, they fluted up.
ari shaffir
I don't even remember.
YouTube.com slash Big J Oakerson.
joe rogan
There you go.
There we go.
Slow down.
unidentified
Look at that.
joe rogan
You look beautiful up there.
big jay oakerson
Yeah, Ari jumped in, man.
It was pretty amazing.
He helped so much, so I hope he's proud of it.
I am very proud of it, dude.
ari shaffir
You killed.
It was great.
big jay oakerson
Yeah, I'm excited for y'all to see it, man.
Please tell friends.
Share it.
joe rogan
Beautiful.
big jay oakerson
Comment.
I think that's gonna love it.
Thank you so much.
joe rogan
My pleasure, brother.
unidentified
Bye.
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