April 4, 2023 - The Joe Rogan Experience
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Joe Rogan Podcast, check it out! | |
| The Joe Rogan Experience. | ||
| Train by day, Joe Rogan podcast by night, all day. | ||
| Hey, what's happening? | ||
| Can I give you a real hug? | ||
| Yeah, you can give me a real hug. | ||
| Sure, I missed you. | ||
| What's going on? | ||
| It's great to see you. | ||
| Yeah, and uh... | ||
| I always like to give you a gift. | ||
| So this is my shroom mates, you know, our connection through psychedelics. | ||
| That's beautiful. | ||
| And I added this one, train all day, JRE all night. | ||
| And then I got the... | ||
| Oh, wow! | ||
| I got a mushroom playing a mushroom drum set with some guy dunking on, you know. | ||
| Nice! | ||
| I wanted to model it for you, but I want to give it to you. | ||
| Thank you very much. | ||
| I don't know if it'll fit, but... | ||
| I'm sure it'll fit. | ||
| Thank you. | ||
| And what is this fucking costume you're wearing underneath this? | ||
| Jesus Christ. | ||
| Joe, I've been cruising Austin. | ||
| Alright, where do I begin with this? | ||
| Okay. | ||
| Where do I begin with this? | ||
| Where do you begin with this? | ||
| I touched down Austin yesterday. | ||
| This is what I... You touched down wearing that or with the face? | ||
| I had this on and people were like, do you think they know I'm from LA? Do you think they know I'm from out of town? | ||
| No, there's a lot of people here like that. | ||
| Let me do a call out to the Asians really quick. | ||
| Uh, Asians, if you're listening, to all my gooks, all my jungle Asians, I've been here for 24 hours in Texas. | ||
| Oh my god, I found a kai bichin place, awesome sushi, there's like two banh mi places, a hallo hallo place, like... | ||
| If you're listening, I've done the reconnaissance. | ||
| I was on my bike. | ||
| I went down Congress. | ||
| I went through Westlake. | ||
| I rode all over town. | ||
| It was the best. | ||
| I had explosions in the sky playing. | ||
| I watched Friday Night Lights when I got back to my room. | ||
| I saw maybe two homeless people. | ||
| I rode around the lake. | ||
| Barbecue's great. | ||
| That was my concern. | ||
| I think the last time I did your show, it was the week You were about to leave. | ||
| I talked to Jamie. | ||
| He was like, you know, and I was like, this guy, this guy's not really going to, like, it's such a, it's such a bold move. | ||
| And like, I didn't even, like, time has passed so quickly. | ||
| It's been like two years since I saw you. | ||
| It's almost three. | ||
| Shit, it's almost three. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| Yeah, I've been here almost three years. | ||
| It'll be three years. | ||
| Well, it'll be three years, Jamie. | ||
| In May, it'll be three years that I looked. | ||
| And then August when I moved here. | ||
| Yeah, so I'm, I, I, look, when people tell me how awesome Austin is, I don't know the rest of Texas, but, like, Austin is, like, the vibe yesterday, it's like the weather, like, everyone was out, like, having picnics. | ||
| How many days are you in town for? | ||
| I leave tomorrow if you want to like... | ||
| I want to show you the club. | ||
| Oh, I definitely want to show you the club. | ||
| But like, I was like checking out real estate on my bike just to be like... | ||
| I was just... | ||
| I got a lady. | ||
| Looking like this. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
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Looking like this. | |
| And I got to tell you, man, like... | ||
| I kind of, like, come in hard like this because I want people to be like... | ||
| And Austin's already weird, right? | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| And no one gives a fuck. | ||
| No one gives a fuck. | ||
| Waiting an hour in line at Terry Black's like this, no one gives a fuck. | ||
| Like, it's just like... | ||
| It's... | ||
| Like, there's not a ton of Asians. | ||
| Not like I like... | ||
| There's Asian communities here. | ||
| There is. | ||
| There is. | ||
| But I'm saying to the Asians listening, it's a good place. | ||
| It's an open-minded, cool place. | ||
| I see very quickly why you didn't go back after. | ||
| Like, I don't want to go back. | ||
| I'm not going back. | ||
| I don't want to go back. | ||
| There's no traffic here. | ||
| The people are so friendly. | ||
| They're so nice. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| It's like everything about it I love. | ||
| There's so many artists here. | ||
| There's so many musicians here. | ||
| There's so many comedians here now. | ||
| It's fucking... | ||
| Thick with comedians. | ||
| Yeah, and like, you think I like dressing like this? | ||
| It's like, it's because I'm born and raised in LA. Like, I'd rather raise kids here and like, have them not look like this. | ||
| Like, sorry, mom. | ||
| Like, fuck. | ||
| That's your fucking fault. | ||
| So, yeah. | ||
| It's a great place to raise kids. | ||
| Feels very artsy. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| Like, tons of art everywhere. | ||
| And the deeper you get, like, the more you're here, the more you'll see that. | ||
| The more you'll see that. | ||
| The more you experience that. | ||
| What is your threshold for compliments this morning? | ||
| Oh, I'm generally not that good at them. | ||
| Alright, well, I just have to tell you, because I've, once again, like, we don't talk very often, but when we do, and then, like, your voice is just on all the time because I got you playing. | ||
| You're a great audio portrait artist. | ||
| Like, the interviews you've done using, like, you've captured the essence, like, the way a painter captures, and it's, like, the best of that person, right? | ||
| Like, you've, of that celebrity or that scientist or whoever, so you're a great audio portrait artist. | ||
| Thank you. | ||
| Just that that move to like be like LA sucks and then lead the charge and like look my driver my driver like I saw on the map that I was like a mile away and I told him to like drop me off because I just wanted to walk a little bit like this and uh he's like what do you mean like how are you gonna get there I'm like I'm walking like Like, you're gonna walk to the studio? | ||
| I'm like, yeah, like, like, walk the earth, motherfucker, you know? | ||
| And walking, you know, going down South Congress, and, like, your presence is felt, like, you've, you've, like, kind of changed, like, the comedy club thing? | ||
| Oh my god, like, that's amazing to, to, like, try to get a, into a comedy club, like, you, it's gone full circle, like, you, like, you've gone, like, from, Trying to get the spot at the comedy club to now owning one and you're like, I'm gonna do it my way and like all the things I didn't like. | ||
| So that... | ||
| That courage to just cut your own path gives me courage. | ||
| And I just want to say you're lovable. | ||
| Oh, you're lovable too. | ||
| You're loving. | ||
| And you're love. | ||
| Thank you. | ||
| You are love. | ||
| I appreciate you, brother. | ||
| I just wanted to say that. | ||
| Yeah, I just follow my instincts. | ||
| And my instincts were, first of all, to get the fuck out of LA. I felt like it was just going to get worse. | ||
| I felt like the way the government is run there, they're just drinking the same poison that got them sick. | ||
| And they're not going to change. | ||
| And after all that defund the police shit and the chaos of shutting all the restaurants and bars and everything down from COVID for like a fucking year and a half, I was like, you people are incompetent and you're not going to ruin my life. | ||
| I'm going to go someplace where you're more free. | ||
| And this was the first place that we went in May of 2020. And my kids loved it and my wife loved it. | ||
| I was like, let's go. | ||
| Let's fucking move. | ||
| So a couple months later, I was here. | ||
| And you don't seem to come back that often. | ||
| I don't like it. | ||
| I don't like going back. | ||
| It feels shitty when I'm landing. | ||
| Too many people, man. | ||
| I think when you get too many people in an area, you devalue people. | ||
| You don't appreciate them as much. | ||
| They become a hindrance. | ||
| I live in a pretty nice neighborhood in LA. I have a bat, a baseball bat. | ||
| I'm not an athletic person. | ||
| I have a baseball bat in my house that's never hit a baseball. | ||
| It's only hit human flesh. | ||
| It's like insane. | ||
| If I forget to close my garage one night, there's junkies in there, and I'm just like... | ||
| Maybe Austin is a nice starter place, but I'm trying to... | ||
| I'm trying to, like, get out, get out. | ||
| Like, I'm looking in South America, I'm looking in Asia, I'm looking in New Zealand, I'm looking in Africa. | ||
| Jesus! | ||
| Yeah, like, so, I mean... | ||
| Costa Rica? | ||
| Costa Rica, for sure. | ||
| Like, yeah, because I just... | ||
| You're right, that whole thing about things being too populated... | ||
| Oh, and I have to, like, before we, like, get into it, like, I have to... | ||
| Like, you came on my podcast, like... | ||
| 15 years? | ||
| Something like... | ||
| Something crazy. | ||
| Something like way in the early, early pod days. | ||
| And it was like... | ||
| So... | ||
| And I've done your podcast a few times now, so it's like... | ||
| I remember when it was live, and I would leave your studio, and as soon as I left, people would be like, yo, that was great! | ||
| I was like, oh shit, dude! | ||
| So I always knew you had impact, but... | ||
| To come on your show, the last time I came on, like two, three years ago, it's like standing on a soapbox with a microphone in front of the whole world, like... | ||
| In three years, like, not a day has gone by where someone doesn't say something nice or say, hey man, like, I was gonna kill myself and I heard that episode and it's like, you changed my life. | ||
| And I'm like, uh, okay, thanks. | ||
| It feels weird, right? | ||
| It's weird. | ||
| But in the way, I mean, Jamie, you could talk about it with, like, you do the show and then you chop it up into, like, clips, right? | ||
| There's people out there that chop it into TikToks and Reels. | ||
| There's one where I talk about the Hadza tribe, the hunter-gatherer tribe, that has 30 million views, and I don't know what that monetizes into for YouTube or whatever, but I think it's like 50, 60 grand, so it's like... | ||
| The words are the, like, you can, like, just, this is it. | ||
| Like, someone could get rich just, like, talking and doing this shit. | ||
| And so after doing that show, and I'm just telling, like, my journey to Africa and how I felt being with this hunter-gatherer tribe... | ||
| It, like, literally saved their lives. | ||
| Like, the money that came in, the amount of people that donated to the Hadza, the Maleka Foundation, the, you know, the foundation people are calling me saying, what's happening right now? | ||
| There's so, and, like, this is, like, clean water for them. | ||
| This is, like, you know, education, clothes, like, all these things. | ||
| And I'm like, wow, you talk about something on Joe Rogan, it could, like, save a culture, you know? | ||
| And there was so much... | ||
| Like, the influencers that went out there, the guy with the red headband that eats all the crazy shit went out there. | ||
| The liver king went out there. | ||
| Logan Paul, I've never met the guy, calls me like, bro, take me to Tanzania. | ||
| Like, so, there's, like, insane, like, and if you guys are doing that, like, please, however much money you're making from getting those views, like, all those views have, like, all those videos have, like, millions of views. | ||
| Please donate back to the Hadza, because, like, they need it. | ||
| But, yeah, I mean... | ||
| The Rasooli, Shawnee, the guys that I know out there, the tourism is great, so it's like a thriving thing just because I talked about it. | ||
| And like going off what you said, like I helped make a film. | ||
| I was the cameraman on this film called We Are Hadza. | ||
| If anyone out there wants, I just helped make it. | ||
| It's just like the best documentary. | ||
| It's like the first beginning to end baboon hunt and then skinning it, eating it. | ||
| Like you feel like you're living that lifestyle. | ||
| So I'm not trying to be like Harrison Ford in like Mosquito Coast, but like I think Austin is a good buffer. | ||
| for the family and then eventually I do want to fully go to kind of like Who am I kidding? | ||
| Not fully hunter-gatherer, but fully a culture where it's not that many people. | ||
| I know who all my neighbors are. | ||
| I'm living half city life and half there. | ||
| Things are starting to steer towards going back to Africa for me. | ||
| I'm not even close yet. | ||
| I'm just saying... | ||
| What was it about that spoke to you so much that you wanted to be there more often? | ||
| Well, like art. | ||
| I'm an artist, right? | ||
| And art is about expression and creating. | ||
| But if you're saying I'm a professional artist, at some point there has to be a conversation about business, monetization, making money. | ||
| And, you know, we could get into all the AI shit, which is crazy. | ||
| But... | ||
| You know, I go to Africa with the ego of like, I'm an important artist, you know, like, and I'm gonna like, so I, my backpack is mostly art supplies, right? | ||
| And I get there, and there's a cave that we're living in for like a few weeks. | ||
| And like, you know, if the weather's nice, we sit and sleep on top of the cave. | ||
| And if it's, you know, really raining or something, we sleep under the cave. | ||
| And in the daytime when, like, the real men are, like, hunting, I'm like, I'll give art lessons to the kids, you know? | ||
| And because the kids have no art training, they're just raw, you know? | ||
| They're just... | ||
| And it's just what they... | ||
| Here's a bow and arrow, and they're just drawing, like... | ||
| And the drawings are, like, amazing. | ||
| And I'm drawing... | ||
| And in my mind... | ||
| I'm like these are gonna be like museum pieces or like I'm gonna archive them when I get home and put out a book and like donate all the money back to them and So we spend the whole day drawing and I'm like these are like some of the best pieces of art I've ever because it was fun it was like in nature and It's with these guys that are not trained, you know. | ||
| And I'm looking at it and I'm like holding it like this, not to like, you know, smudge it or anything. | ||
| And they're like, yeah. | ||
| And then the tribe comes back. | ||
| They're covered in blood. | ||
| They, you know, they got an animal. | ||
| And I'm like, look at this art we made. | ||
| And they're like, oh, that's cool. | ||
| And we're on top of the cave. | ||
| And they're like, cool. | ||
| And they throw it off the cave. | ||
| I go, wait, wait. | ||
| I'm like, wait, what are you doing with that? | ||
| I could have. | ||
| And I go, oh, yeah, Hunter. | ||
| Like, they don't have anything. | ||
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Yeah. | |
| They don't. | ||
| Like, what do they have, a flat file out there? | ||
| Like. | ||
| And I was like, like it just hit me so hard in that moment. | ||
| They're so present. | ||
| It's not about like, oh, I'm living in the moment and then I got to like go home and edit it and like, you know, it's just like we did it. | ||
| We love it. | ||
| And bye bye. | ||
| It's a piece of paper in the wind now. | ||
| And I was like, you know, and there was one that I drew like, you know, and I had a sketch and I was like spending a lot of time. | ||
| I was like, I'm going to try it too. | ||
| And I was like, more of this. | ||
| Like, more of this. | ||
| Like, I want this thing where you just live, and it is what it is, and less, like, anxiety, stress. | ||
| How am I going to make money off this? | ||
| And it's just, they're so happy. | ||
| And, look, I spent a lot of time with them, and I go back as much as I can. | ||
| So, yeah, to see them, like... | ||
| You know, all the YouTubers that went out there, and I'm like, oh, there's Shawnee and Nona and Gunkita, and I'm like, fuck, they're like many celebrities now. | ||
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Um... | |
| I mean... | ||
| I don't know, like, I feel like every time I go back to Africa, whether it's like Congo or Tanzania, which are like two completely different, you know, um... | ||
| I remember when I went to the Congo the first time, I was in 1918 and 1995. That was when you filmed that thing for Vice where you were looking for dinosaurs? | ||
| No, the first time I went is when I went to look for the dinosaur by myself and then Vice saw that I wrote an article about that and they sent me back like 10 years later when I was 20... | ||
| 25 or something. | ||
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Really? | |
| But I remember finding a missionary deep, deep, deep in the jungle. | ||
| And he's like, bro, you think you're the first one? | ||
| I was like, what do you mean? | ||
| He's like, you think you're the first, like, lost soul that's come here looking for dinosaurs? | ||
| And I'm like, I'm like, I'm not? | ||
| He's like, he's like, I've been here for 20 years, like, living with these people, like... | ||
| Every five years, a weirdo like you comes through. | ||
| And do you think you're really looking for the dinosaur? | ||
| And I'm like, yeah, I'm looking for a dinosaur. | ||
| He's like, no, you're looking for something else. | ||
| You're either running from something else or you're looking for some kind of meaning in your life that you can't find. | ||
| So this is, you've pushed yourself to this, you know? | ||
| And I'm like, fuck, dude. | ||
| You trying to get deep with me, bro? | ||
| So, yeah, I mean, I go back to Africa and like... | ||
| It's hard for me to talk about this stuff without sounding cringe or people... | ||
| I don't know. | ||
| It's like, let's look at life as a video game, right? | ||
| As someone who's heavily, heavily addicted to video games and born into a super, super Christian kind of background, right? | ||
| If you are in any kind of like strict organized religion growing up, Jewish, Catholic, Muslim, whatever, it's kind of like being born into a video game because it's like, it's very binary, right? | ||
| There's heaven and hell, especially if it's Christian. | ||
| And so you have to live a certain way. | ||
| You got to get a certain amount of points to have everlasting love, you know, peace, joy. | ||
| And then if you don't, Like, you're fucked. | ||
| And you're like, okay, for how long? | ||
| How much? | ||
| Like, forever. | ||
| And you're like, wait, that's a long time, you know? | ||
| And I'm like, fuck, man. | ||
| And so, I don't subscribe to any organized religion. | ||
| I consider myself a spiritual person, but... | ||
| Without making light or trying to be disrespectful, the things that I tried to figure out, like a video game, was sex, money, power. | ||
| As an artist, I had subscribed to the starving artist type. | ||
| It was like Top Ramen, holes in your clothes, homeless. | ||
| I was like, that is what a real artist is. | ||
| Until I met a successful artist. | ||
| I was like, oh shit, you can have a manager and an agent and an office and you can not starve. | ||
| And I remember at that point, I was in my early 20s. | ||
| I was like, man, people sure talk about money a lot. | ||
| It seems to be this thing that causes a lot of problems in marriages and business. | ||
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And I go, it doesn't... | |
| It seemed that hard to me. | ||
| And I'm saying this as a guy in my 20s that's poor. | ||
| I'm like, what if I just, like, try to be as rich as possible for the next 10 years or 5 years? | ||
| Like, what if that's my singular focus? | ||
| And so I did it. | ||
| And, you know, it was a lot of work. | ||
| But, like, the video game of money is over for me now. | ||
| At every industry, gambling, the stock market, even people go, oh, that's like this Korean Forrest Gump, and he was like this homeless guy that got lucky with Facebook. | ||
| I'm like... | ||
| That was like a lot of work to make that happen, you know? | ||
| And I was already kind of wealthy when I made that deal, but people like to tell that story. | ||
| So I made millions of dollars gambling. | ||
| I made millions of dollars with my art. | ||
| I made millions of dollars with Facebook. | ||
| And it was a lot of hard work, but I'm like, it's kind of, if I wanted to, You tell me how cringe I sound and I'll just stop. | ||
| But I'm like, it's not going to be that hard for me to become a billionaire at a certain level, right? | ||
| Like I've amassed hundreds of millions. | ||
| I'm like, if that's my goal now, if that's my video game, and then I know billionaires. | ||
| I mean, Sean Parker and Mark being the most, but I know tons of like secret billionaires, right? | ||
| And I go, I don't want any of their lives. | ||
| I don't want any of, like... | ||
| But it's just money. | ||
| You don't have to have their life to have money. | ||
| Right. | ||
| And you don't have to think about money if you have it. | ||
| Right. | ||
| The problem with money is people become obsessed with it because it's so difficult to attain. | ||
| And there's so much societal value put on being wealthy. | ||
| Right. | ||
| That it becomes the thing instead of a thing. | ||
| I mean, I have... | ||
| I have a friend that has like hundreds of billions of dollars. | ||
| Hundreds of billions? | ||
| Hundreds of billions. | ||
| Like one of the, you know. | ||
| I have one too. | ||
| Yeah, and you know how weird those guys are, right? | ||
| They're weird guys. | ||
| And I'm pretty close with him. | ||
| He's not just like a, you know. | ||
| And I said, we were having dinner and I was like, I'm feeling confident. | ||
| I was like, give me one. | ||
| He's like, what? | ||
| I was like, give me one. | ||
| One billion. | ||
| And he's like, I don't understand. | ||
| Yeah, I was like, give me one billion. | ||
| And he's like... | ||
| I was like, motherfucker, you know I don't need it. | ||
| Like, you know I'm not going to go buy cars and houses. | ||
| He's like, what do you want to do with that? | ||
| He's like, Dave, I don't know if you know how money works. | ||
| You don't just go up to someone and ask them for a billion. | ||
| I go, motherfucker, I just did. | ||
| And he's like, well, do you have a plan? | ||
| Are you going to show me charts and graphs? | ||
| I was like, no. | ||
| It's all going to be instinct. | ||
| I will take that one billion. | ||
| And he's like, dude, you got to come to me with, like, I'm not saying no, but you got to have a better, you know, you got to have, like, how are you going to, I go... | ||
| I promise you, I will spend it, like, the most irresponsible possible. | ||
| Like, it'll be, like, exactly... | ||
| Because most of these people that have billions are, like, geniuses, and they spend... | ||
| Everything is down to a fraction, and they just grind and crunch numbers in their brain, and that's not how I think. | ||
| I think very abstract, I think. | ||
| And I go, I'm going to do stuff that, on paper, makes absolutely no sense, and I promise you I will change the planet with that money. | ||
| Like, I'm going to do shit that... | ||
| And then he was like, he didn't say no, but he was thinking it over and he's like, dude, there's no way my money guys are going to do this. | ||
| And then I sat there and I thought about it because money is power. | ||
| I was like, dude, I don't want a billion dollars. | ||
| I don't want that responsibility. | ||
| And ultimately he was like, eh, no. | ||
| And I was like, thank you. | ||
| So it was just a wild thought. | ||
| Spontaneous. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| If he had given it to me, I would have been like those weird people. | ||
| I was like, I don't want to touch that. | ||
| I don't want to touch that. | ||
| You would have tried it out for a while. | ||
| You would have tried it out for a while and then you would have gone back to being you. | ||
| Right. | ||
| And then, so that has, that game, that video game of money has no, no, it's not fun for me anymore because I've, so years ago, like 2009 was my last art show where I actually sold stuff for money and I didn't feel good. | ||
| It was like My gal or Steve Lazaridis is like Banksy's guy. | ||
| And he's like, Cho, you're on fire. | ||
| Street art's on fire right now. | ||
| What do you want to do? | ||
| I go, it's going to be in LA. It has to be in LA. It has to be on Rodeo Drive. | ||
| It has to be on the most expensive street in the world. | ||
| And I want every celebrity there. | ||
| And so... | ||
| It did. | ||
| It happened. | ||
| It was a show in Beverly Hills. | ||
| All the celebrities came. | ||
| All the fancy people came. | ||
| I sold all the art. | ||
| And the next day, I didn't feel any different. | ||
| And then at that point, the artist gets objectified to just, I got a Basquiat. | ||
| I got a Cho. | ||
| I got a Banksy. | ||
| And I'm like, the guy that's buying my art that can afford it, he doesn't care about the art. | ||
| He just wants to... | ||
| It's a dick contest, right? | ||
| He just wants to show off, like, hey, I got a Cho. | ||
| And I'm like... | ||
| I'm pretty sure that's not what the universe wants for me to just make expensive stuff. | ||
| So at that point, I told my manager and everyone I work with, I'm like, everything now is free. | ||
| Like, painting with kids, painting with guys just out of jail, painting with at-risk youth, murals, anything where it's free, that's what I'm about. | ||
| I'm not... | ||
| You know, or if I like someone, I'll just trade or give it to them, but I'm not selling shit anymore. | ||
| So that kind of like ended like, you know, and then I had finance guys and everything about wealth management is about how to preserve wealth and make more money and I go, Let's do like a Monte Carlo simulation and figure out when I'm going to die by my lifestyle of how I live. | ||
| And let's get it down so that I have zero by the time I'm done. | ||
| Like I want to... | ||
| And they're like... | ||
| So every business decision I've made since I've made that decision is I just lose money. | ||
| I just lose money. | ||
| And then the video game of sex, which I wasn't very good at, is age zero to 30. I'd been with... | ||
| Five six maybe seven girls like and they were all like long-term kind of relationships There was no like one-night stands and then at that point like 29 30 I was like I'm really not good at this like I don't got any game. | ||
| I'm not and Like the same way If you saw me in my 20s as a street urchin, street kid, and he's like, I'm going to be the richest artist in the world, you'd be like, you know what the odds of that happening are? | ||
| It's ridiculous. | ||
| In the same way, and not to sound vulgar or objectify women, but that's what I did at that age. | ||
| I was young and I was like... | ||
| I'm tired of the Asians are like sexless small dick you know the the math nerd like I want to fuck the most amount of women as possible and that was even more ridiculous than me saying I want to be the richest artist and then and then I just went on a tear for a decade right like I just it was awkward at first and then like a video game at the end a combination of like Like a comedian working out their material, right? | ||
| And with the oncoming social media and all the, you know, internet stuff, I could figure out... | ||
| On the dates I've been on, which material killed? | ||
| Like, what did I say to make what girl laugh? | ||
| And, you know? | ||
| And I would have all those, like, a crazy person, like, in my notes folders. | ||
| And I could say the perfect combination of words to make a girl laugh. | ||
| Or, like, so using everything at my disposal. | ||
| Anything. | ||
| Like, money. | ||
| Charm, jokes, power, I'll get you on this thing. | ||
| Just queuing in on what is it that you want and I can get you that. | ||
| I was sleeping with multiple women a day and I was like, you would never believe Okay, not you. | ||
| I would never believe what I was doing. | ||
| Like, I was every night, tens, tens, tens, like, Victoria's Secret models, A-list celebrities, just like, I was like, whoa, whoa, whoa. | ||
| And, you know, I got to a point where I was like, I wasn't... | ||
| My friends and I debate, they're like, you were like a week away from sucking dick. | ||
| And I was like, it's probably more like two days away. | ||
| Because it just gets there, right? | ||
| I was just in rooms having threesomes, group sex, and I was like... | ||
| I'm an artist. | ||
| I should, you know. | ||
| And my parents were convinced I was. | ||
| Like, I was in a car going to an art show with my parents in Mexico City. | ||
| And my mom, you know, she's like completely invested in my career. | ||
| And she's like, hey, you know, Andy Warhol used to do like 10, 20 pushups. | ||
| And then his mom would give him like a snicker bar. | ||
| And I was like, that's an interesting fact, Mom, I didn't know that. | ||
| And he was gay. | ||
| And I was like, oh, okay, cool. | ||
| You know Leonardo da Vinci, when he used to go out, like, no one would know he's an artist. | ||
| He wouldn't have, like, a speck of paint on him. | ||
| And I was like, oh, I didn't know that, Mom. | ||
| And he was gay. | ||
| And I was like, where is this going? | ||
| And then my dad's in the front driving. | ||
| He's like, he's not gay! | ||
| I told you he's not gay! | ||
| And my mom's like... | ||
| You know we're Christian, but we know that you're an artist, and we know you haven't brought a woman home in like 10 years. | ||
| So, it's okay. | ||
| You could come out of the closet. | ||
| And I was like, I love being gay so much. | ||
| I almost wish I was. | ||
| When I play Dungeons& Dragons, or a role-playing game, or an RPG video game, or Anytime I act or do anything that's like online or like a game I always want to be a gay guy like I just love it I love that feeling I want to play gay guys if you know and but I just don't love dick I want to I want to love it, but I just Why do you want to? | ||
| I just like part of it is like I my shame makes me shameless and like I like it when it hurts kind of thing like I just... | ||
| I got close where there was a transsexual woman. | ||
| I think her name was... | ||
| Like, her penis was right here. | ||
| And I was like, it's right there. | ||
| I should just, like, at least lick it or touch it. | ||
| At least just to say I tried it. | ||
| And I could say I didn't like it or I did like it. | ||
| But I just couldn't... | ||
| I was, like... | ||
| I was so bored. | ||
| Not of just pussy or women or whatever. | ||
| I just was bored of... | ||
| The endeavor. | ||
| Of that. | ||
| And then... | ||
| And then, you know, you meet people and everyone has their game. | ||
| Like, Hollywood people are like, I gotta get that Emmy or that Oscar or, you know? | ||
| And so, I, like, pick the game I want to play. | ||
| Money. | ||
| Pow. | ||
| And then it's like... | ||
| I sit here and the thing that I learned, the number one important lesson from gambling is get out while you're ahead. | ||
| I love how much money I have right now. | ||
| It's the perfect amount. | ||
| I love that I have no regrets. | ||
| I've had sex with so many different women that I don't need that anymore. | ||
| I could be a monk for the rest of my life if I want to. | ||
| So there's only one final And that's the spiritual quest, right? | ||
| And that's where, like, people say shit like, the answer is love, and it's like, it is, right? | ||
| Like, there will be shit, there's shit that we talked about before we start recording that we can't, and then there will be shit that we talk about later, and we live in this world now where it's like, It's a crazy world, right? | ||
| And the answer is love. | ||
| And everyone says it, and it's in movies, and it's in books, but what does that path look like? | ||
| And so I go towards where I feel that, and I feel that in Africa. | ||
| When I go to Africa, I feel that in my soul, to my bones, and... | ||
| You know, I look like this in Austin and no one judges me. | ||
| Like, you would think going to Africa, the places I go where there's no Asians that they would say shit, but they don't. | ||
| They just accept me, they call me brother, they take me in, they show me their lives, and they're like, you're just part of our tribe now. | ||
| And I'm like, it makes me want to cry, you know? | ||
| So, and the fact that, you know, I have this beautiful relationship with you and, you know, you let me talk about this stuff and then those words get to, you know, Like, I don't know Logan Paul. | ||
| That guy calls me up right after the show. | ||
| He's like, take me to Africa, bro. | ||
| Take me. | ||
| I'm like, okay. | ||
| You know, like, and it's just a tremendous thing. | ||
| And then, you know, we made this film and it's, you know, it's like the best documentary I've ever seen. | ||
| So if anyone, like, wants to see a trailer or it's We Are Hadza, The Malekka Foundation. | ||
| Is it available, the whole thing? | ||
| Like... | ||
| Here's my... | ||
| It's done. | ||
| Like, it's done. | ||
| It's like, I'll send you a link if you want to watch it. | ||
| Like, it's amazing. | ||
| But I'm... | ||
| It's like, last time I came on here, I had made a TV show. | ||
| Like, I do everything backwards, right? | ||
| Like... | ||
| Like, the normal way to get a show on, and I definitely want to ask you about this, the normal way you get a show on TV is you pitch it, right? | ||
| You come up with an idea, but, like, things don't cost that much anymore. | ||
| I mean, I'm speaking from a rich guy, so I know what that sounds like, but compared to what it used to cost, like, you don't, if you have a nice camera and you got a good editing thing, like, Much cheaper. | ||
| Like, the movie that just won the Oscar, everything, everywhere, all at once is, like, my favorite movie. | ||
| It had, like, six guys doing the special effects. | ||
| And then you have, you know, Top Gun, not Top Gun, but, like, all these other movies that have, like, when you see the credits at the end, it's, like, thousands of, like, Korean names. | ||
| You're, like... | ||
| So you can do things relatively cheaply compared, right? | ||
| So I made this show on FX called The Cho Show. | ||
| And I made it exactly the way I want. | ||
| And, you know, like some, you know, whatever. | ||
| Something got cut. | ||
| There were some notes. | ||
| And that's where I get stuck a lot of times, right? | ||
| Because no one tells me what to do when I paint. | ||
| I can do whatever the fuck I want. | ||
| But when it comes to media... | ||
| There's a bigger audience. | ||
| People are more sensitive. | ||
| People can get triggered, this and that. | ||
| So a lot of decisions made in Hollywood are fear-based decisions. | ||
| And I don't live my life that way. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| Well, they're platform-based decisions, right? | ||
| So the problem is you're an artist, but the people that distribute the stuff are not artists. | ||
| Right. | ||
| They're executives and money people. | ||
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Right. | |
| And all those money people, they look at you and they go, well, David Cho is very popular. | ||
| He's very eccentric. | ||
| He might... | ||
| This might work. | ||
| We might be able to make money. | ||
| And then they start thinking about new cars they're gonna buy, new houses they're gonna buy. | ||
| They don't think about it the way you think about it. | ||
| So the problem with being in business with people like that is business. | ||
| That's the problem. | ||
| You're just trying to create something cool. | ||
| Yeah, you're like... | ||
| Because there is really... | ||
| Atlanta's a great show. | ||
| Rami's a great show. | ||
| There's great shows. | ||
| Oh, there's great shows. | ||
| But then you're like, at the end, they're still trying to sell refrigerators with the advertising. | ||
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Right. | |
| Yeah. | ||
| But not always. | ||
| I mean, generally... | ||
| That's the case, but there's a lot of people that create those shows that aren't trying to do that. | ||
| And then someone else is pitching it to the network and someone's smart enough to leave that fucking guy alone. | ||
| And a lot of times it's just because something is just so successful, like South Park, for instance. | ||
| Comedy Central 100% would fuck South Park up if they brought it to them right now. | ||
| They'd be like, what are you gonna do? | ||
| Hold on, you're gonna shove Paris Hilton up a gay teacher's ass on TV? No! | ||
| No, you can't do that. | ||
| What are you gonna do? | ||
| You're gonna draw Muhammad? | ||
| Are you gonna have Muhammad dressed as a teddy bear inside of a Brinks truck? | ||
| No! | ||
| No, you can't do that. | ||
| But they're so big, and they've been around for so long, they can get away with it, even in one of the most restrictive and goofy climates in media. | ||
| So they've become big enough so they can do that. | ||
| So it has to be someone, you know, whoever it is, where they just leave you the fuck alone. | ||
| And that's very, very rare. | ||
| But... | ||
| If you just want to distribute something on YouTube, you can kind of do whatever the fuck you want. | ||
| You can make something pretty incredible. | ||
| I just helped produce, and I was the cameraman, so it's not my film, but I'm like... | ||
| I'm gonna have to talk to you about this because it's like I want people to see it because it's all the proceeds we're gonna donate back to the to the Hadza but it's like like Paco Raterta who's like the best you know he I met him he's in the Philippines he made the Cho Show he's the one that edited this thing and I don't... | ||
| Like, it's not my movie. | ||
| I'm just, like, there to help. | ||
| There it is. | ||
| Oh, there it is. | ||
| So the full-length feature film is just... | ||
| Oh, that's just a trailer. | ||
| This is just a trailer. | ||
| I'll send you the link to it, but, like... | ||
| Yeah, that's Nona. | ||
| You look so funny. | ||
| You're not gonna see any of the... | ||
| That's Hannah Sparkman, the filmmaker. | ||
| Wow. | ||
| She's... | ||
| Yeah, I mean... | ||
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I was immediately drawn to them. | |
| I'll put it like this, Joe. | ||
| Like, what is America's appetite to see, like... | ||
| It's not, you're not gonna see it in the trailer, but like, they catch a pregnant baboon, right? | ||
| They rip the belly open, the baby, the fetus of the baboon falls out, and the second it hits the ground, ten dogs tear it to pieces. | ||
| Then, they love the protein, what's the brain made out of? | ||
| Like, um... | ||
| But, like, it's—that's—I'm not a nutritionist—that's, like, they know—instinctually, they know that it has, like, fat or something in it. | ||
| Yeah, there's a lot of fat. | ||
| So it's, like, the delicacy. | ||
| Like, the animal, like, looks human. | ||
| Then they tear through it, and, like, I go in a cave, and it's white, right? | ||
| The brain is, like, white and gray, and I shine a flashlight because I hear, like— I hear that noise, and I turn the flashlight on, and I see, like— Ten dudes fighting each other to scoop as much brain and this white shit all over their face. | ||
| And then as they drop the skulls on the ground, there's a baby playing drums on the baboon skull heads. | ||
| And I'm like, this is the craziest shit I've ever seen in my life. | ||
| And I don't know if this is an ex... | ||
| This is how people survive. | ||
| Yes. | ||
| But I don't know... | ||
| If that's just too much, I don't know if people... | ||
| I don't think it's too much. | ||
| It's real. | ||
| And, you know, that's how those people have been surviving for a long time. | ||
| It's natural. | ||
| As bizarre as it seems, it's natural. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| Because we have a really hard time with... | ||
| People eating primates. | ||
| My friend Steve Ranella, he filmed a show in South America and he was with this hunter-gatherer tribe in South America. | ||
| I forget what the name... | ||
| See if you can find the name of the tribe. | ||
| I think they're in Guyana and they killed a monkey and ate it and he had some of the monkey and it was like it's very... | ||
| you're very conflicted. | ||
| It's very strange. | ||
| It's a primate. | ||
| I mean, it's like... | ||
| Imagine if you were in a different world, right? | ||
| And just imagine this. | ||
| And you go to a place where there's a friendly group of cannibals. | ||
| And they have been hunting one specific type of person. | ||
| Maybe like pale-skinned blonde people are the most delicious. | ||
| And they just chase down these... | ||
| You know, these kind of savage-looking, pale-skinned, blonde-haired people and cook them and eat them. | ||
| They don't eat anybody else. | ||
| You just eat pale, blonde. | ||
| Albinos. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| And these people are wild-looking people. | ||
| They're wearing, like, leaves over their dicks and they're running around barefoot. | ||
| So you can kind of detach. | ||
| You know, you're there with your Air Force Ones on. | ||
| Like, I'm not the same as them. | ||
| This is different. | ||
| But this is kind of what it's like when we're eating primates. | ||
| Because we're eating our history. | ||
| Well, I mean, so that's what I'm saying, the visuals, like when they throw the monkey on the fire, that's how they get the fur off, and he's like this, and it looks like the crucifix on fire, I'm like, and you see the skull, I'm like, it looks human, right? | ||
| And then there was that, um... | ||
| Was it you that said, or was it Rinella that said, one of the things that freaked him out was when the arrow hit him, he grabbed it with his hand. | ||
| Oh, I think I told you that story. | ||
| That's crazy. | ||
| Part of the thing is, this is the only documentary where I think, I've never seen it on YouTube, where we filmed the baboon hunt from beginning to end. | ||
| And it's like, monkeys running, fuck you! | ||
| What he's screaming sounds like, fuck you! | ||
| And then the dog gets his nutsack and rips it off. | ||
| And then you're running and you see the nutsack on the ground. | ||
| And I'm like, what is this? | ||
| And they're like, keep that. | ||
| That's nutritious. | ||
| That's like the prize. | ||
| Like the top hunter gets that. | ||
| I'm like, all right. | ||
| And then you're just running and running. | ||
| And then like they get him. | ||
| And then he's grabbing the arrow and the dogs are just ripping his stomach out. | ||
| And he's like, fuck. | ||
| Baboons are so weird too because they're almost like a cross between a primate and a dog. | ||
| They have that long face. | ||
| Almost like a wolf's face. | ||
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When their teeth are bared, they're a wild-looking creature. | |
| Once again, I only went on a few hunts. | ||
| I wasn't considered too manly, because I couldn't hang. | ||
| So I'm back with the women and children, and I'm teaching the kid how to play drums on baboon skulls. | ||
| There's maggots coming out of the nose, and I'm like... | ||
| Hey, there's, like, that kid shouldn't be playing. | ||
| There's maggots. | ||
| And then she goes, and she just eats them. | ||
| And I'm like, there's nutrition in that, too. | ||
| I'm like, holy fuck, you know? | ||
| And then there is a serial killer, a Japanese serial killer that wrote a book about which human, like, he's like, French people are buttery. | ||
| Like, did you? | ||
| You know what I'm talking about, Jamie? | ||
| There's like that dude, and speaking as a cannibal myself, like, I don't know, culturally, I don't know if you did this when your kids were born, like, there's cultures that eat the placenta, right? | ||
| I did not, but my uncle did it. | ||
| So am I a cannibal if I eat the placenta? | ||
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Nah, well, sort of. | |
| Yeah, that guy. | ||
| Yeah, and then he talks about, like, how different races taste different. | ||
| That guy goes on TV and jokes around about, like, pretends to bite people. | ||
| Like, he killed someone and ate them, right? | ||
| Yeah, a lot. | ||
| Like, he ate, like, two French girls, I think. | ||
| I don't know. | ||
| I just... | ||
| How is he out on the street? | ||
| He killed his friend, Renee Hart, Hartewelt, and ate her remains, yet he's free to walk the streets to this day. | ||
| Like, how is that possible? | ||
| Do they just have different ways of prosecuting people in Japan and... | ||
| I mean... | ||
| He's reformed? | ||
| Did you guys say he's reformed? | ||
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Psychiatric hospital loophole. | |
| Oh, loophole. | ||
| Jesus Christ, though, dude. | ||
| I mean, that is a crazy situation. | ||
| The guy killed a woman and ate her, and he's just wandering around amongst us. | ||
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He even started a softcore porn where he reenacts and bites actors. | |
| Oh, Jesus Christ. | ||
| So, yeah, I mean... | ||
| Look at this. | ||
| And throughout his life, he's been chillingly unrepentant. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| When he discusses his crime, it's as if he believes it's the most natural thing in the world, and he plans to do it again. | ||
| Jesus Christ, man. | ||
| He wrote manga about it? | ||
| Jesus Christ. | ||
| That guy's wandering around saying he's going to do it again. | ||
| Well, OJ's walking around. | ||
| But OJ lies, at least. | ||
| I know. | ||
| That's true. | ||
| But I think if we were all hungry, we would all do the same thing. | ||
| I ate my wife's placenta and then, like, I don't know. | ||
| The jury's out whether it actually does anything, but we've been doing it as humans for, like, thousands of years. | ||
| So any of my friends whose wives get pregnant, I go, hey, if you guys are going to throw it out, I'll take it. | ||
| So I have a freezer full of human placenta. | ||
| And keeping this guy, I go, if my friend's wife is, like, Indian, you know, is it, like, have a different flavor than if it's a white person or if it's a Korean person or a black person? | ||
| And, yeah, I mean... | ||
| That's just... | ||
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I don't know. | |
| Like... | ||
| Crime scene of the meal. | ||
| Jamie, come on, bro. | ||
| Oh my god, this is meal? | ||
| Dude, please, take that away. | ||
| Take that away. | ||
| I don't need to look at plates of human flesh. | ||
| Fuck. | ||
| I mean, you've been to my... | ||
| There's a giant difference between that and someone, obviously, who's hunting a primate for food. | ||
| Right. | ||
| But there's just a thing that we have where it's closer to that than, like, eating a fish. | ||
| Like, eating a fish is very far removed from us. | ||
| Like, people don't even mind if you show photos. | ||
| Well, the thing is, in this particular area with specifically the Hadza, it is baboon because that's all that's left. | ||
| I think I told you the last time, the oldest guy in that village is like, we used to kill everything. | ||
| Elephants, cheetahs, lions, everything. | ||
| But they're just all close to extinction now. | ||
| That's the last of us that's there. | ||
| And it's totally like, we're in a cave, they're in a cave. | ||
| They run like this, we run like this. | ||
| It's fucking bizarre. | ||
| It's really hard when you're talking about this because I don't see a way for that culture out as humans expand. | ||
| Well, I'm not going to pretend like I have the answer to it, but even when we go there, we let them decide, right? | ||
| We raise this money. | ||
| I work with the Maleka Foundation or even this movie, if it makes money, we don't go, this is what you should be doing. | ||
| The kids are like, we want to go to school to get educated so that we can use words. | ||
| There's one guy named Shawnee, and he's like, did I tell you this last time? | ||
| Probably, but it's okay. | ||
| He's like the only, like some white lady took an interest in him. | ||
| So this is straight up Crocodile Dundee. | ||
| Like he is like, he can like run up a tree and kill a squirrel with his, like rip his head off and eat it. | ||
| But he's the only one that went to law school. | ||
| So he speaks Swahili, Hadzabe, English, right? | ||
| So he can wear like a suit and tie and then still have like the Hadza headband. | ||
| And he's the only one that has ever, as far as I know, that was able to get all the proper paperwork to leave to come to the US. So he stayed at my house when he came and I got him a shrimp. | ||
| I took him to like every like insane restaurant. | ||
| He'd never been in a swimming pool. | ||
| He swam in my pool for like seven hours. | ||
| He was, like, trying to drink the chlorine. | ||
| I was like, dude, don't drink that. | ||
| I took him to Fogo de Chao, and he was like, leave the sword, you know? | ||
| They brought out the shrimp crocktail, and he was like, oh, you guys eat scorpion? | ||
| I'm like, bro, that's not scorpion. | ||
| It was, like, everything, everywhere I took him, he would eat it with his hands, like, at these, like, gourmet restaurants, and he's like... | ||
| And, like, grease is just going down his arm, and it was, like... | ||
| He had the best time, but he's like, I'm so glad I went to law school, so now I have the tools to go fight for my people. | ||
| And I don't know what the answer is. | ||
| That's amazing. | ||
| That's an amazing story. | ||
| How alien must it be to a person to see an entire pool filled with water that they can't drink? | ||
| These people are drinking out of puddles in that documentary that you showed. | ||
| Going up the escalator? | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| But you showed these people drinking out of puddles. | ||
| And imagine they're looking at this crystal clear water and they can't drink it. | ||
| You're telling them they can't drink it. | ||
| What are we doing with chlorine? | ||
| How bad is that shit for your skin? | ||
| Dude, that's the worst, man. | ||
| Is chlorine bad for you? | ||
| Like chlorine from the pool? | ||
| How could it be good for you? | ||
| I have the rich guy pool now. | ||
| Salt water? | ||
| No, it's the next one. | ||
| Oxygenated pool. | ||
| It's fancy. | ||
| Really? | ||
| How do they do that? | ||
| Dude, I don't... | ||
| Like, I go to another rich guy's house, and I say, oh, and they go, oh, you have chlorine? | ||
| Dude, you gotta get a salt. | ||
| I go, okay, I'll just do whatever you tell me. | ||
| And they go, we got a saltwater pool. | ||
| And then I go to another rich guy's house, and they go, I went to Sia's place. | ||
| And she's like, oh, I have the oxygenated pool. | ||
| I'm like, all right, give me his number. | ||
| So it's like if the whole system, the power grid, everything goes down, you could drink out of that pool. | ||
| There's no chlorine in it. | ||
| That's awesome. | ||
| I think the best water that feels like ocean water feels the best. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| Like when you swim in ocean water, there's something about ocean water where it's not just water. | ||
| It feels alive. | ||
| It feels like you're dipping into an ecosystem. | ||
| You're not in a petri dish. | ||
| Like a swimming pool feels like a petri dish. | ||
| You ever snort it? | ||
| Snort ocean water? | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| What do you think the answer to that question would be? | ||
| I don't know. | ||
| But you... | ||
| I mean, accidentally. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| I've got it up my nose accidentally, but I didn't snort it for effect, though. | ||
| I'm not trying to do it, like, but, like, there was, you know, when I meet old, healthy people, I always ask them, like, what's your secret? | ||
| And he said, I snort salt water, like, when I go swimming. | ||
| And he takes a little bit in his hand, and he swims, and he goes, and it goes, it burns like this, and he goes, and this guy swears by it. | ||
| He's like, I fucking love it. | ||
| I'm like, all right, you know. | ||
| So I tried it. | ||
| It did burn. | ||
| Well, isn't that a lot like a neti pot? | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| People do do that to clean their nose out, right? | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| I read about someone who had like, this might be propaganda. | ||
| This might be against the neti pot industry. | ||
| But there was someone was using a neti pot and they got a brain, some sort of a parasite. | ||
| And they died. | ||
| Look, there's always going to be like one, right? | ||
| We should live in fear. | ||
| That's what I'm saying. | ||
| We should just live in fear. | ||
| I snort salt water. | ||
| Is it real? | ||
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Yeah. | |
| What is it? | ||
| So someone in Seattle, what did they just snort? | ||
| A man dies of a brain-eating amoeba, possibly from rinsing his sinuses with tap water. | ||
| This one is in Florida. | ||
| Oh, that's in Florida. | ||
| So there's more than one. | ||
| You heard Steve-O's bit about this, right? | ||
| No, but if that shit gets in your brain from tap water, what about when you swallow it? | ||
| Alright, you saw the Hadza drinking the brown water, right? | ||
| Yes. | ||
| That water has cow poop in it, and it's disgusting, right? | ||
| When I met Steve-O, his family traveled a lot when he was younger, and he said when he goes to other countries, they always tell you, don't drink the water in Mexico. | ||
| And he'd always do it. | ||
| And so he'd get crazy diarrhea, get sick. | ||
| But now he says he has the most insane gut biome, and he never gets sick now, which he seems like he should be dead, and he isn't. | ||
| And so the Hadza have a very similar thing with them. | ||
| They have an insane micro gut biome, like the most diverse ever. | ||
| So if I drink that shit, that brown water, I'd be dead. | ||
| You'd be fucked. | ||
| Yeah, I'd be fucked. | ||
| Do you know what Joel Salatin is? | ||
| Joel Salatin is one of those guys who's... | ||
| He does these farms where all the animals on the farm, it's called polyphase farms, all the animal on the farms, they all work together. | ||
| It's called regenerative agriculture. | ||
| So there's no pesticides, no herbicides, and it's all just about moving the animals around and having them. | ||
| And he drinks out of the cattle, those fucking buckets where the cows drink out, those long... | ||
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The trough. | |
| The trough, yeah. | ||
| He drinks the water out of that for his own gut biome. | ||
| Alright, so, okay, you're the perfect guy to, you know, you know I'm a, like you've offered to give me on it shit, but I just buy all of that stuff anyways. | ||
| Like, in the same way with the oxygenated pool, there's like, you live a life very similar to mine where sometimes we meet people and they go, Hey, man, if I had your money, this is what I would do, right? | ||
| They'd tell you what they would do, right? | ||
| So, at one point, I'm sitting there winning the video game of money, and I go, you came to my warehouse years ago, right? | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| I had this like 20-30,000 square... | ||
| Dope spot downtown. | ||
| That was dope. | ||
| But I was like... | ||
| I was like, damn, this is how famous artists should live. | ||
| This is fucking badass. | ||
| It was badass. | ||
| I was like, yeah. | ||
| Because if I went over your house and it was like Ikea furniture or some shit, it would be so boring. | ||
| You know, but you lived exactly how I would hope that you lived. | ||
| Yeah, and I loved it. | ||
| I bought every car that I wanted. | ||
| I just got everything I wanted and I said, there's something that, you know, so as a rich guy, I should have the best everything because I want to live, you know. | ||
| I had the float tank. | ||
| I had the UV spa. | ||
| I had everything. | ||
| I had the ice bath, all the shit. | ||
| I had the best, most expensive weights. | ||
| The smoothie that I'm having every morning is like $1,000. | ||
| I don't know if it's $1,000, but it has placenta, human placenta. | ||
| It has two eggs, shell on, not washed. | ||
| Banana, sticker on. | ||
| Shell on, not washed. | ||
| Shell on. | ||
| I saw Arnold Schwarzenegger do it. | ||
| Banana, peel on, like a whole bitter melon. | ||
| Like the most disgusting shake ever. | ||
| Every single powder at Erewhon that costs like $100, the $300 honey, the Manuka honey, Siberian cedar, pine oil, like every single thing that someone says is good, it tastes like shit and I just down it. | ||
| And I have like the $600 trainer that shows up to my house. | ||
| And I realized like, it was kind of like... | ||
| I'm gonna live long and be healthy, but it felt lonely. | ||
| I'm paying a guy to be here. | ||
| The thing that I was missing in my life was accountability. | ||
| I want a life where I have no accountability. | ||
| I want to be like a kid. | ||
| I want to be Robin Hood or Peter Pan forever. | ||
| And so people were like, oh, money will keep you accountable. | ||
| If you're paying someone $600 an hour, you're definitely going to show up to that appointment. | ||
| I'm like, no, I'm not. | ||
| So I found this guy, this rogue trainer that... | ||
| My friend was like, I know a guy. | ||
| And I was like, well, what's this guy? | ||
| The money thing's not gonna... | ||
| He's like, he hits you. | ||
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Hits you? | |
| Yeah, he hits you. | ||
| You gotta sign a contract and stuff. | ||
| And it's like, are you okay? | ||
| And he only has like three clients and they're all super rich. | ||
| They're all in the hospital. | ||
| Yeah, he's like... | ||
| You will get into shape, but you have to sign this thing that says, I'm allowed to come over to your house. | ||
| You have to give me a key to your house. | ||
| Oh my god. | ||
| And for someone like me who likes pain, I'm like, I don't give a fuck. | ||
| And so I missed my first... | ||
| Dude, not exaggerating, I missed it by two minutes. | ||
| I had to be there... | ||
| He runs up the stairs and my mom happened to be stopping at my house to drop off kimchi. | ||
| So she sees a guy, a huge guy, Russian guy, run up the stairs and start pummeling my sternum. | ||
| And she screams like, ah! | ||
| And I was like, ah! | ||
| I was like, mom, I paid this guy to do this! | ||
| Oh my god. | ||
| And that scared the shit out of me. | ||
| My mom almost had a heart attack. | ||
| I was like, mom, mom, mom, I'm sorry. | ||
| And then I sat there and I was like, this... | ||
| This ain't it. | ||
| This ain't it. | ||
| And I don't want to give away my exact location but currently my This might be going further, the complete opposite side of the spectrum, but I go to one of the shittiest 24-hour fitnesses in LA. I mean, there's a guy popping zits and shaving his neck and wiping his ass in the sink. | ||
| There's always a homeless guy in the sauna doing push-ups. | ||
| It feels like a lot of homeless guys have the pass to this one, and they just go there to shower. | ||
| There's always someone about to... | ||
| Looking like they're about to give a handjob in the showers or in the sauna. | ||
| And once in a while I get recognized or whatever. | ||
| But I go there with my friends. | ||
| It's communal. | ||
| I don't know. | ||
| And I'm like, I don't know if this is it either. | ||
| So it's either running top speed to hunt food with the Hadza, the super, super rich guy program on this side. | ||
| The kind of like, you know, showering with homeless guys and getting handjobs at the 24-Hour Fitness, and I'm like, I want, you know, like, I want to, I have a family now. | ||
| I want to, like, have a healthy life where I live, but just, I haven't found... | ||
| The thing that speaks to me the most is the moving to Africa right now. | ||
| Maybe not Africa, Africa, but like... | ||
| Close by where I get to be in, like, a not populated area where I'm closer to nature. | ||
| And, I mean, like, once again, dude, only been here for, like, one night already, but Austin is just, I mean, it's just amazing. | ||
| Like, this is... | ||
| We should probably stop talking about it. | ||
| Too many people are moving there. | ||
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Yeah. | |
| Yeah, and I don't know if they want people that look like this moving here. | ||
| Of course they do. | ||
| It's interesting what they always say about Austin is keep Austin blue and surrounded. | ||
| So what keeps it in check is it's surrounded by real Texas, like real country Texas. | ||
| But Austin, the city, is very progressive, super progressive. | ||
| And I think it's a perfect combination because I think the two of them balance each other out and keeps everything in check. | ||
| Progressive people in Austin are much more reasonable than a lot of the progressive people that I met in LA. It's just a generalization for sure. | ||
| It's definitely an anomaly. | ||
| They're Texas people. | ||
| There's a deeply rooted independence in this state that came from how difficult it was to settle. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| There's this fucking amazing book, the Comanche book. | ||
| What is the name of it, Jamie? | ||
| Empire of the Summer Moon. | ||
| Empire of the Summer Moon. | ||
| It's a fucking insane book about the Comanche who lived here. | ||
| It's one of the best books I've ever read. | ||
| I've read it twice. | ||
| Alright, I'm gonna check it out. | ||
| It's really good, dude. | ||
| And it's all about the history of this state was so difficult to conquer. | ||
| Because the Comanches were, they were the best at riding horses and they were best at raising horses out of all the Native American tribes. | ||
| And so they had these massive stockpiles of horses and they would ride on the horses and shoot arrows before the guys could get off a second shot. | ||
| Because the whole thing about... | ||
| Old school guns like muskets. | ||
| It was like this shit. | ||
| Exactly. | ||
| They kept the arrows in their fingers and they would fire them off one at a time. | ||
| Can you do that shit? | ||
| I can't do that, no. | ||
| But they could do... | ||
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It's like Hawkeye. | |
| Yeah, that's crazy shit. | ||
| But they could do... | ||
| There's a dude that does it though, like Lars Anderson guy. | ||
| Faster than shooting a gun. | ||
| Yeah, check out this guy. | ||
| There's this guy, we've had him on before, but he's actually bringing back these old methods that people actually forgot, mostly based on artwork. | ||
| Like, he's looking at these artist renditions of guys with multiple arrows in their fingers. | ||
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Whoa. | |
| Yeah, so that was about Empire of the Summer Moon, right? | ||
| Alright, I got it. | ||
| It's in there. | ||
| But when you see him do it, it's really impressive. | ||
| Oh, shit. | ||
| Watch how he can do this. | ||
| Oh, shit. | ||
| Yeah, so he's got them all stacked up there, and he's just lining them all up one at a time. | ||
| All right, I got it. | ||
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Insane. | |
| I'm going to come to Austin. | ||
| I'm going to learn how to shoot like that. | ||
| You'd have to meet that guy. | ||
| I don't think he's in Austin. | ||
| I don't even think he's American. | ||
| Isn't he somewhere... | ||
| I'll take years to learn to do this, and then I'll bring this skill to the Hadza. | ||
| Oh, yeah, if they knew it? | ||
| Well, if you just brought them fucking compound bows, they would be infinitely more successful. | ||
| But what I was saying before about them, though, was that if... | ||
| Did you see that last shot? | ||
| He was like... | ||
| Yeah, no, he does crazy shit. | ||
| He was like on the horse. | ||
| But look how he can run and do this. | ||
| It's really impressive. | ||
| See, look, he's on a horse. | ||
| And his face is just so monotone. | ||
| They think that's how the Mongols did it, too. | ||
| And there's even some really ancient photos of hieroglyphs in Egypt that depict arrows that are held in a similar way. | ||
| I mean, it makes sense. | ||
| It's not like he's the first guy to figure this out. | ||
| Pretty interesting shit. | ||
| Austin, I don't know any of that history, but it is definitely... | ||
| I've never been to a place like this. | ||
| It's surrounded by all this red parts of Texas. | ||
| It's just... | ||
| That's where the balance comes in. | ||
| It feels loving. | ||
| Just in the lady at the hotel and the restaurant, everyone's super nice. | ||
| You're not that landlocked because you're two hours away to the water. | ||
| Right. | ||
| I don't know. | ||
| I'm... | ||
| I'm feeling it. | ||
| As long as there's some place where I can get kimchi, I'm good. | ||
| I'm sure there is. | ||
| Dude, I have a question for you that you're the perfect person to ask for this because people that don't know this about Joe Rogan used to be an actor. | ||
| Well, I've done some acting. | ||
| I wasn't very good at it. | ||
| I was good at sitcom acting. | ||
| I never did, like, real acting. | ||
| No, you went hard, like, on news radio and, like... | ||
| But that's... | ||
| Sitcom acting's not hard, man. | ||
| It's like... | ||
| The hard shit is, like, Daniel Day-Lewis, Joaquin Phoenix acting. | ||
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Okay. | |
| That's hard acting. | ||
| But, like, just playing a guy and saying a funny line... | ||
| So you don't act anymore? | ||
| No, no, no. | ||
| And like there's no project that you would come back to? | ||
| I'm not interested in it. | ||
| It's not a negative on acting. | ||
| I mean I appreciate, I love movies, you know, I love great acting. | ||
| I just don't like to do it. | ||
| It's just too many hours, it takes too long, it's not what I'm interested in, you know. | ||
| I'm more interested in podcasts and stand-up and I don't have enough time to do anything else other than UFC commentary. | ||
| So there's no project you can think of. | ||
| I'm just not interested. | ||
| If it was like a one-day shoot or something. | ||
| That's great. | ||
| Wow. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| I don't want to play baseball either. | ||
| It doesn't mean I hate baseball. | ||
| I'm just not interested. | ||
| Like, I don't want to do anything, like, just because it's a job. | ||
| You know, that's what it would be. | ||
| So last time I came on here, I was like, or maybe in private, I've always told you, like, a little less with the UFC stuff and maybe, like, try to get into painting and you're like, I'm not interested in painting unless, you know, I don't do anything halfway. | ||
| Like, I want to go in, go in, right? | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| And, like, I can't even remember the last time I was on Howard Stern, but it was like... | ||
| 15 years ago or something. | ||
| Either I said it on the show or after it ended, I was like... | ||
| Because I know he's interested in chess and photography and whatever, I just was like... | ||
| He has the soul of an artist, and I was like, you should get into painting. | ||
| And now... | ||
| Like, it's sad for me because I feel like he should have also got out while he was ahead, like whenever his contract ended, he should have stopped. | ||
| He's kind of feeling to me like my dad talking at me or down to me now. | ||
| He does a little bit of that. | ||
| But his watercolors... | ||
| I think that's a natural thing that happens to old men, though. | ||
| Jamie, if you could find us... | ||
| You're probably going to be doing that soon. | ||
| Oh, definitely. | ||
| I hope not though. | ||
| I'm going to be talking down to people soon. | ||
| You youngins, get your shit together. | ||
| I think you'll be more accepting of being talked down to if someone looks like this. | ||
| Yes. | ||
| But his watercolors... | ||
| I'm just joking about that, of course. | ||
| His watercolors, he just paints all the time now and they're better than most artists. | ||
| I'm sure. | ||
| He's a brilliant guy. | ||
| He went into it hard, you know? | ||
| Look, that guy is responsible for all this. | ||
| If it wasn't for him, if it wasn't, I mean, we got ahead of the game because of the Howard Stern show. | ||
| That's very good. | ||
| This is recent? | ||
| Yeah, that's what I'm saying. | ||
| So how long did he take to be able to paint like this? | ||
| I think he just dedicated like 10 years to it, you know? | ||
| Wow. | ||
| And it's probably, honestly, probably why he's not that good at broadcasting anymore. | ||
| Because he's interested in that. | ||
| Yeah, because he's like... | ||
| And you could tell... | ||
| That's really good, man. | ||
| It's really good, right? | ||
| It's really good. | ||
| Like, perspective, shading, everything. | ||
| I offered him art lessons after I did his show. | ||
| I was like, hey, dude, if you ever want to... | ||
| And he's like, I'm not even close to... | ||
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Look at that. | |
| It's great. | ||
| You might be right about that. | ||
| Maybe that's, like, his primary focus now. | ||
| So I always remember... | ||
| But it's also probably like... | ||
| That's why he doesn't go into town. | ||
| I mean, look at that shit, dude. | ||
| He's like, and those things are tiny. | ||
| Those are like with those tiny brushes. | ||
| It's really incredible. | ||
| It's really incredible. | ||
| But of course, it just like makes sense. | ||
| Like when I heard that he was like really into chess, I was like, oh, of course he is. | ||
| That makes sense. | ||
| It's like whatever led him to figure out how to be the biggest broadcaster in history, that kind of energy could apply to anything. | ||
| And you're seeing that. | ||
| If you're doing that, Yeah. | ||
| Then you, it's like that took away from, you know, you only have certain hours in the day. | ||
| Right. | ||
| And like, that's not like a casual, like he's going for it. | ||
| Right. | ||
| Like that's like, he could sell those in a gallery, right? | ||
| I wonder if they're complimentary though, because some things I think other activities are complimentary. | ||
| There's like cross training. | ||
| That's no talking. | ||
| That's quiet, nobody, silent. | ||
| That's meditation. | ||
| But my thought was I wonder if that stimulates the mind in a way that might actually make him better at talking to people. | ||
| Because oftentimes that does happen. | ||
| Like when you get good at another thing, you get better at certain aspects of other things that you do that are correlated. | ||
| So can I tell you what happened? | ||
| And I would love your feedback on it. | ||
| Yes. | ||
| So I'm kind of like, I didn't realize it, but I'm kind of like that too, right? | ||
| And just being born and raised in Los Angeles, people go, are you interested in making movies or being an actor? | ||
| And I never really put it together, but... | ||
| I was like, why would I want to be an actor? | ||
| Like, the only roles available for Asians are Kung Fu Master, which I'm not, I'm not that good at martial arts. | ||
| I am an MMA artist, mixed media artist, but not that kind of artist. | ||
| And I'm not, you know, what is it? | ||
| It's either like, nerd, like math geek, waiter, like, it's just, I'd never seen an Asian guy be the lead or something. | ||
| It just, like, I killed the own dream for me, you know? | ||
| In the same way, when I give art lessons or play with, like, someone who's not an artist, the first thing they always throw out is, like, I'm not... | ||
| I suck, I suck. | ||
| And I go, why did you do that? | ||
| Why did you just, like, do that to yourself before we even started? | ||
| And it's because we do that from the day that... | ||
| We can talk and walk, right? | ||
| Well, we also do that to express humility out of respect for what you do. | ||
| That's true. | ||
| People say things like that just because they're a fan. | ||
| Like if you asked me if I could draw, I'd go, I could draw pretty good, but I kind of suck compared to you. | ||
| Okay, that's fair. | ||
| I would say that's why they're doing it. | ||
| They just don't want you to think like, oh, I'm a fucking artist too, bro. | ||
| You know, like they don't want to come off douchey. | ||
| They're fans. | ||
| I hear you. | ||
| And that's fair. | ||
| But don't you think at a young age if they see a kid being strong or doing something athletic, they go, oh, he's going to be a football player. | ||
| And you already start getting boxed into... | ||
| You could. | ||
| Like if I start drawing and stuff, they're like, oh, he's going to be an artist. | ||
| So in the same way... | ||
| I killed my own dream because I was like, there's just nothing. | ||
| The movie in my head, I am Indiana Jones. | ||
| I'm the fucking Wolverine. | ||
| I'm Batman. | ||
| I'm all those things. | ||
| But I wouldn't have that role if I got it. | ||
| So I just killed the dream for myself in the same way... | ||
| I, you know, I grew up in a lot of different mixed neighborhoods. | ||
| And so my dad, who's a great athlete, he plays every sport, would take us to like the playground and there'd be all these black guys playing basketball. | ||
| And he, you know, he could sink it from anywhere in the court and he'd give us the ball and go, now your turn. | ||
| Keep in mind, I've never thrown a basketball, so it's like, the second I miss, ah, Mr. Miyagi, you know, it's like, it's not a safe place to make accidents and whatever. | ||
| Now at age 46, sometimes I go with my artsy friends early in the morning, like 5.30. | ||
| We all have kids now, so we go early, early in the morning before anyone's awake, and because the threat of being made fun of is gone, I'm like, I'm pretty good at it. | ||
| I'm like, I can fucking throw a spiral, like, I can catch a... | ||
| I'm like, oh, I'm... | ||
| Holy shit! | ||
| And then same thing, like when I work with people where they know that they're not being watched or whatever, I'm like, oh shit, like you're really good at drawing, you know? | ||
| Yeah, that holds people back with everything. | ||
| That holds people back, performance anxiety, holds people back in fights, holds people back with comedy, you know? | ||
| So I wasn't trying. | ||
| I'm like you. | ||
| I'm not trying to be an actor or anything. | ||
| But during the... | ||
| Every time I've been on TV, it's just either as myself or like a cartoonish, exaggerated version of myself. | ||
| And so my ego got a little bit inflated because it was like... | ||
| Thumbs up my hitchhiking show or me going looking for a dinosaur or going on Bourdain's show or Dave Chang's show. | ||
| It's always just me. | ||
| I'm not acting, right? | ||
| And then because I was doing all these kind of cooking... | ||
| Dave Chang, you know him? | ||
| The chef? | ||
| I don't know him personally. | ||
| Yeah, I was doing this show, Ugly Delicious, with him on Netflix, and Marielle, the producer of it, is like, do you want to be a food judge on, like, Top Chef? | ||
| And I was like, fuck yeah, like, I want to go eat good stuff, and it was this Jonathan Gold episode where he's the, you know, he's like the best food critic in LA that had passed away, so this was like... | ||
| Out of respect to him and Jon Favreau was there and he has his own cooking show with Roy Choi called The Chef Show on Netflix and I had heard that he had just gotten the Star Wars gig to do The Mandalorian and I have mixed feelings about how much that I'm a grown man and I still go to the comic book shop every Wednesday and all that stuff, but I love superhero stuff. | ||
| I love Batman, Spider-Man, Superman. | ||
| I love all that shit. | ||
| I love all the Star Wars stuff. | ||
| Even though most of it is all shitty now, I still love it. | ||
| So I told him, I don't know when I'm ever going to meet this guy again. | ||
| We went to Tacos in 1988, and as he got in the car and the valet pulls up, I go, I didn't want to be the fanboy guy, but I was like, hey, congratulations on getting that Star Wars gig. | ||
| And he's like, oh, yeah, thanks, Dave. | ||
| And the guy's giving him his keys and he's about to drive off. | ||
| And I go... | ||
| Yo, put some fucking street art in Star Wars. | ||
| And he's like, what? | ||
| And I was like, the alliance, the rebel alliance, the, you know, like, every time in history, the Great Wall, Russia, Vietnam, it doesn't matter. | ||
| Anytime there's a war anywhere in the world, there's art, rebellious art, right? | ||
| There's posters, there's graffiti of saying, like, fuck the system, fuck the man, down with the, you know, whatever. | ||
| I'm like... | ||
| In Star Wars, you have Nazi-type characters. | ||
| You have all this fighting, and there's no graffiti. | ||
| And he goes, you're right, Dave. | ||
| That's a very good point. | ||
| Yeah, and he goes, you're right, Dave, and you should do it. | ||
| And I had just had my kid and stuff, and he's like, I'm like, dude, I'm not trying to look for work right now. | ||
| I'm just saying someone should do that. | ||
| He goes, you're right, and it should be you. | ||
| I was like, fuck, man. | ||
| So I get this, you know, and it was fun for me. | ||
| And I went, and I was like, I went hardcore nerd. | ||
| I was like, okay, Jawas are like this tall, so the graffiti would be like this, and Luke Skywalker would not be known on this side. | ||
| So I'm like learning the Arabesh language, the Star Wars language, and I'm layering the graffiti so it would be accurate. | ||
| Like, I'm like going total nerd. | ||
| And he goes, alright. | ||
| And he tries to pay me. | ||
| And I go, dude, I haven't gotten a paycheck in like 10 years. | ||
| Like, I can't. | ||
| I don't want to get paid. | ||
| And the guy at Lucasfilm is like, you don't want to get paid? | ||
| Like, you're going to get paid a lot of money for this. | ||
| I go, I don't want to fill out taxes for this shit. | ||
| Like, I don't work. | ||
| Like, I'm jobless. | ||
| And he goes, you're the first person that's ever denied a check from Disney. | ||
| And I was like, no, I'm not. | ||
| And then I go... | ||
| Put me in, coach. | ||
| He's like, what do you mean? | ||
| I'm like, put me in... | ||
| Like, just so I could tell my friends and shit that I was in Star Wars. | ||
| And so, eight hours of makeup. | ||
| Eight hours of fucking makeup. | ||
| Look at that shit. | ||
| Like, fucking prosthetics, you know. | ||
| So, I have like... | ||
| I have one second of screen time. | ||
| That's like a camera panning, you know, and I had to do make and then, you know, they put like paint speckles, like they made it look like I was the guy that actually did the graffiti and you know. | ||
| Oh. | ||
| So this is the first time I'm on TV acting, like not as me. | ||
| So I go home. | ||
| I write a short story about the backstory of my character. | ||
| And I go, oh, it's too boring for me to scream in English. | ||
| I'm going to learn Huttese, Jabba the Huttese language. | ||
| So I'm out there. | ||
| I got five pages of dialogue. | ||
| We're at a gambling rink. | ||
| We're betting on Gamorrean guards fighting. | ||
| So it's like a fight scene. | ||
| And it's like, fuck him up! | ||
| Fuck him up, Chris! | ||
| Like all that. | ||
| And I'm saying it. | ||
| And everyone's like... | ||
| Dude, you're a fucking extra that's in here for one second. | ||
| And no one asked you to learn Jabba the Hutt's language. | ||
| But I didn't know how to not go hard with it. | ||
| So did they tell you to not do it? | ||
| So I'm an extra hanging out there. | ||
| And I go, hey, I know this is just me being me. | ||
| I'm not... | ||
| Trying to get more airtime or whatever, but I did write a backstory of how I am a gambling addict. | ||
| This is how I ended up at a Gamorrean Guard gambling thing, and I give it to Jon Favreau and Dave Filoni, who are like the showrunners, and they're like, yeah, we'll get right on that, Dave. | ||
| So that's hilarious. | ||
| So I'm like, wow, I'm not like I went kind of all in like I wasn't, you know, so anyways, it was enough. | ||
| I'm like, that was great. | ||
| Then I get a call one day from Ali Wong and Steve Young. | ||
| At the same time, they're on this new show on Netflix called Beef from A24. And they say the same thing. | ||
| They go, Dave, have you ever thought about acting? | ||
| And I'm like, I'm like family, dude. | ||
| I'm like chilling, trying to figure out how to get to Africa. | ||
| I'm not trying to do this. | ||
| And I go, what's the part? | ||
| And they're like, well, it would be filming in LA, it'd be for like three months, and you'd be playing an angry Korean guy. | ||
| And I'm like, well, is that how you guys see me? | ||
| I'm pretty chill. | ||
| In my normal life, I'll tell you all this shit later, but I kicked my parents out of the mansion I bought them because I asked them a million times not to do certain things and they didn't listen to me. | ||
| I was like, I'm not making crazy requests. | ||
| It's just like I've learned what a boundary is and please don't cross it. | ||
| And they did. | ||
| This is my real life, right? | ||
| My real life is my brother, my family, when they fuck with me, I go, I ask you like not to do that and if you do that then I'm gonna have to remove like that's my normal life but in this TV show my fuck you like I'm like waving my gun out like and They're like the character's name is Isaac Cho and I'm like that's not that far of a stretch, | ||
| you know and So I go why don't you guys hire our actor like a real actor and they're like There's all these people coming in casting and they're like playing to be like Asian gangster tough guy, but you're just an asshole. | ||
| And I'm like, I'm like, should I, should I take an acting class? | ||
| Like, I don't want to like, you know, Steve Young's like Oscar nominated, like Ali Wong, like they're like, no, they've just come in and be yourself. | ||
| I'm like, fuck you guys. | ||
| So I come in and I thought they were offering me the part. | ||
| So I come in and it's an audition and I go, I'm too fucking old for this shit. | ||
| Like I'm too fragile to like, They didn't make a distinction when you were having a conversation? | ||
| How casual was this conversation for you to come into a movie? | ||
| Or a television show? | ||
| I mean, I went in and I just, like, I want to do a good job, so I fully, like... | ||
| Like, yeah. | ||
| But you did know it was an audition. | ||
| I didn't. | ||
| I thought they were asking me, like, can you do this? | ||
| And I was like, alright, fuck it, you know? | ||
| So I went in and I'm like sitting next to the ten other guys that are actual actors and I'm like, oh, I'm not gonna get this part, you know? | ||
| And then I do my part and I'm like waiting by the phone like, I hope they validate me. | ||
| I hope you like me. | ||
| And then they call me and they're like, you got the part. | ||
| I'm like, Oh, shit. | ||
| Like, I kind of, like, didn't want to get it. | ||
| In the same way, like, do you ever watch Survivor? | ||
| Yes. | ||
| So, a lot of people don't even know it's still on there, but it's been on there for, like, 30 years. | ||
| That's crazy how long it's been on. | ||
| And, yeah, and then they asked me to be on a Survivor offshoot called Take It to the Edge or Beyond the Edge, and it's, like, all washed up celebrities. | ||
| I sound mean right now. | ||
| It was, like... | ||
| It was, like, a 70-year-old ex-supermodel and, like, retired NFL players. | ||
| Right. | ||
| And I was the last one, so I'm like, what? | ||
| Like, Steve-O said no? | ||
| And I called Steve-O. I was like, did they hit you up? | ||
| He's like, yeah, I said no. | ||
| And I was like, oh, I love Survivor. | ||
| This ain't it, but I should do this. | ||
| And they were like, please, just... | ||
| And it was during the pandemic. | ||
| It was like, you compete with other celebrities, and the thing with this is there's no losers. | ||
| Everyone wins, and we donate all the money to charity. | ||
| And I was like... | ||
| And I was like, it was the fattest I'd ever been. | ||
| I ate so much Postmates during the thing. | ||
| And my trainer or my manager was like, dude, if you're going to do this, I say don't do it. | ||
| But if you're going to do it, you're going to be with all these washed up people. | ||
| You have to win. | ||
| So then that's when I hired the hitting guy. | ||
| So I did actually get into pretty good shape. | ||
| And then, ultimately, at the end, I said no. | ||
| And then at a party, I met Jeff Probst, and I said, hey, dude, I almost did this show. | ||
| And he's like, oh, I'm actually not a part of that. | ||
| But why don't you do the actual Survivor? | ||
| And I was like, dude, I'm fucking super rich. | ||
| No one's gonna let me win, like, get all the way to the end. | ||
| He's like, we had Mike White. | ||
| We had another guy that got, like, to the end. | ||
| And I was like, all it would take is one of those people to recognize who I am, and then, like, they're gonna, like, vote me out immediately. | ||
| He's like, dude, we think you have, like, the right thing. | ||
| So I got, like... | ||
| I got into, like, the best shape, and, you know, it was obviously nice having Jeff bat for me, but, I mean, that interview process was insane. | ||
| They have, like... | ||
| Therapists talking. | ||
| They want to make sure that you're not gonna hurt someone or kill yourself on that island, right? | ||
| So it was like long and they got to the very end and then at the very end they're like can you do that thing that like you remember when Chris Rock paid like a million dollars to like delete him throwing the Shit, I'm probably fucking him up right now, but you remember he threw like one of the worst first What do you call it a pitch a pitch? | ||
| He threw one of the worst ones and then now you can't find it anywhere. | ||
| Really? | ||
| I'm sure Jamie could find it. | ||
| Is that real? | ||
| I had heard. | ||
| I don't know if it's true, but... | ||
| No one was worse than Anthony Fauci. | ||
| Did you see his pitch? | ||
| I'm sure it was like... | ||
| It was like... | ||
| It was hilarious. | ||
| I mean, it didn't even come close to where it was supposed to go. | ||
| Yeah, and it's... | ||
| Oh. | ||
| That's Sam. | ||
| Okay. | ||
| Oh, yeah. | ||
| Did you see that, Chris? | ||
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Did you see how bad that... | |
| I'm like laughing at him. | ||
| I'm like... | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| Alright, so I guess you can still find it. | ||
| Yeah, it's just... | ||
| So, um... | ||
| Fuck, why did I even bring that up? | ||
| Um... | ||
| Oh yeah, so they asked me. | ||
| They go, you're gonna be on Survivor, but can you do that thing that the celebrities do and pay a million dollars to basically delete your entire imprint on the internet? | ||
| And I was like, what? | ||
| And they're like, there's so much of your life that is just not appropriate for... | ||
| And I was like... | ||
| And you know, I sat there and I was like... | ||
| It's enough. | ||
| Like, it's enough that I almost, like, I know myself, I'm like, I would have won. | ||
| I would have fucking won Survivor. | ||
| I know myself, I know that sounds cocky, but like, I... But Survivor's, it's entirely dependent upon someone voting for you. | ||
| I know, but I, as, this is the setup, right? | ||
| Like, as someone, people are like, oh, how'd you get into acting? | ||
| I'm like, I've been a gaslighter, lying, con man, thief, like... | ||
| Sneaky dude like half my life like I'm set up for this like I like you need to be there's other people like you out there That's why I'm always fascinated by someone whose things are definitely gonna win well Look I only have my track record it like I'm like I thought I would I could have tons of power I'm sure you have a ton of confidence and I'm sure you You believe that wholeheartedly that you're gonna win, but there's other David Cho's out there Maybe not you exactly the same kind of motherfucker I'm sure. | ||
| And if you got on a show with one of those guys, you'd be like, God damn it. | ||
| Well, one of the things that's like the biggest benefit of meditation for me these days is like... | ||
| It's that driving thing of it's not enough. | ||
| Like, okay, I did this. | ||
| Now I got to do this. | ||
| It's like, I'm enough. | ||
| So like, and I'm speaking my inner thoughts. | ||
| So I'm sorry how cringy it sounds. | ||
| But like, there's nothing I can't have, right? | ||
| So I drive and I go, look at that insane house. | ||
| I'm like, I could buy that. | ||
| Look at that woman. | ||
| I'm like, I could get her. | ||
| There's nothing physical or experience that I can't have. | ||
| I can have it. | ||
| That's why I keep telling you that my last battle is the spiritual one. | ||
| That's why I fly coach. | ||
| That's why I sit, like, that's why, like, I just do normal shit that, like, could I fly private everywhere? | ||
| Could I stay at the nicest hotels and nicest gyms and everything and just kind of be like, that's them and this is, you know, I waited an hour at Terry Black's. | ||
| I'm sure, like, I could have, like, called you and got to the front, you know? | ||
| Like, I just... | ||
| I'm just at peace with myself. | ||
| So the fact that I could have been on Survivor was enough for me. | ||
| And I didn't want to be away from my family for that long anyways. | ||
| Yeah, I couldn't imagine wanting to do one of those shows. | ||
| I just love any show that's competitive that pushes you to your limit. | ||
| I'm sure it's fun. | ||
| You know? | ||
| I'm sure it's fun. | ||
| Just the time commitment. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| Well, I mean, if I get voted off right away, it's like fine. | ||
| But if you're all the way to the end, that's 90 days, I think? | ||
| I could see someone like you wanting to do it just for the experience, though. | ||
| Just because it's a wild, crazy thing to do. | ||
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Right. | |
| And that's why I would have done it, because I've been a Survivor fan my whole life. | ||
| Is that the longest-running reality game show? | ||
| It has to be. | ||
| It has to be. | ||
| Unless you count, like, other game shows. | ||
| Like regular game shows. | ||
| It's gotta be the longest-running reality game show, right? | ||
| I mean, that shit was on before Fear Factor. | ||
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It's one of. | |
| I wonder what's longer. | ||
| There's a longer one? | ||
| 43 seasons in 23 years. | ||
| I mean, I would have killed that fear factor. | ||
| I would have ate the dick, the butthole, everything. | ||
| That part's not that hard. | ||
| The physical stuff is hard. | ||
| The physical stuff would have been hard for me. | ||
| It's hard for everybody. | ||
| Alright, fear factor, just the food? | ||
| I would have killed. | ||
| Just the food. | ||
| We had one where they had to hang onto a bar over a lake. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| So they're hanging underneath this bridge. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| Oh, I saw that one. | ||
| And women can hang way longer than men can. | ||
| A lot of women. | ||
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Wow. | |
| Yeah, because there's not as much body weight. | ||
| You mean emotionally or physically? | ||
| Probably both. | ||
| Yeah, they hang out to these bars. | ||
| They don't have all the weight. | ||
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Yeah. | |
| So if you're carrying 200 pounds, but she's only carrying 120 pounds, that 80 pounds makes a big difference with your hands. | ||
| I would have lost on that part and then won on the baboon dick part. | ||
| So I said no to Survivor Beyond the Edge, whatever that show was called. | ||
| And now I was in pretty good shape because of the abusive Russian trainer I had. | ||
| And now I'm like... | ||
| You still got that trainer? | ||
| No, I just... | ||
| Couldn't take it anymore? | ||
| It wasn't that... | ||
| Well, it's... | ||
| I want community. | ||
| Like, I wanna, like... | ||
| I want to have fun. | ||
| I've never gotten runner's high. | ||
| The only time I have fun is when I'm playing basketball or football or soccer at 5.30 in the morning with the mist with my friends. | ||
| And then we can go for two, three hours and I'm sweating. | ||
| I had a great workout and it was fun. | ||
| Dave, I'm going to pee and when I come back I'm going to talk you into doing jujitsu. | ||
| We'll be right back. | ||
| Oh wow. | ||
| And we're back. | ||
| Headphones changes it, right? | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| It locks you in. | ||
| Holy shit. | ||
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You hear it how other people hear it. | |
| Damn. | ||
| You would love it. | ||
| Sexy voice. | ||
| Thank you. | ||
| You too. | ||
| Thanks, man. | ||
| You would love jujitsu. | ||
| You're a super competitive guy and it's an exciting, fun thing and it's an athletic thing. | ||
| You just do it with the right people, get the right trainer, get the right group of guys. | ||
| There's a lot of really good gyms where they really take care of people that are beginners and show them how to do it right. | ||
| I could trip anybody. | ||
| Trip them? | ||
| You're good at tripping? | ||
| Judo? | ||
| Yeah, my dad made me take Judo. | ||
| If you know the history, there's a little bit of animosity, there could be, between Japanese and Koreans. | ||
| And my dad set me up on a full Japanese Judo dojo in Sawtelle in Los Angeles. | ||
| And they did not take it easy on me. | ||
| And it's like... | ||
| I think a lot of people are like this with whatever profession they're in. | ||
| They learn one move really good and then they milk the shit out of it. | ||
| And I can fucking trip the shit out of anybody. | ||
| I was so good at it and I added my twist to it that it gave me this insane cockiness where I thought I could beat the shit out of anyone. | ||
| But I'm like, what do you do after the trip? | ||
| Oh shit, I don't know. | ||
| And so I got my ass kicked a lot. | ||
| For tripping people? | ||
| Well, I mean, during a fight, that would be my move, and I didn't have any other moves after that. | ||
| It's a great move if you know how to add other stuff to it. | ||
| That's Sanchai, who's like one, if not the greatest, one of the greatest Muay Thai fighters of all time. | ||
| He's a master at tripping people. | ||
| But you've got to be wearing clothes. | ||
| That's the other thing. | ||
| Oh, to grab. | ||
| Yeah, I can't trip shirtless dudes. | ||
| Oh, okay. | ||
| That makes a big difference. | ||
| That's a problem. | ||
| You've got to learn some underhooks and overhooks. | ||
| The problem, that was an issue in the beginning days of the UFC when a lot of guys went no-gi. | ||
| When they went to the ground game, they were so limited because they were so accustomed to grabbing collars and grabbing pants legs and grabbing sleeves. | ||
| Alright, if I'm doing this shit in LA, where should I go? | ||
| No Gi for sure, 10th Planet Jiu Jitsu. | ||
| I get you set up. | ||
| Okay. | ||
| If you want to do it in LA, 100%. | ||
| If you want to do the Gi... | ||
| What part of town is that? | ||
| It's downtown. | ||
| Oh, perfect. | ||
| Yeah, it's downtown. | ||
| That's where the headquarters is. | ||
| There's like a hundred and... | ||
| How many 10th Planet Jiu Jitsu's are there? | ||
| I want to say there's like at least a hundred affiliates all over the world. | ||
| It's like Black Belt? | ||
| Oh yeah, oh yeah. | ||
| Are you a Black Belt? | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| Alright. | ||
| Yeah, that's where I started. | ||
| I have actually named it. | ||
| Tenth Planet Jiu Jitsu is my idea. | ||
| That's yours? | ||
| What does that mean? | ||
| Because we were talking about... | ||
| It was me and Eddie Bravo. | ||
| And Eddie was... | ||
| He'd just gotten back from tapping out Hoyler Gracie in Abu Dhabi. | ||
| And, you know, Eddie's the best guy ever. | ||
| He's my best friend. | ||
| He was... | ||
| When we went to Abu Dhabi and he tapped out Hoyler Gracie, it was one of the most incredible things I've ever seen in my life. | ||
| And he came back from that... | ||
| John-Jacques Machado gave him his black belt off of his waist. | ||
| John-Jacques took his black belt and put it on Eddie. | ||
| And then Eddie started this 10th Planet Jiu-Jitsu. | ||
| And the idea behind it was, because in MMA you don't have the gi, so use over hooks and under hooks. | ||
| And a lot of it was derived from what he learned from John-Jacques Machado. | ||
| He was actually born with only one hand. | ||
| John Junko only has a thumb on his left hand. | ||
| So his Jiu-Jitsu couldn't be all grip-based. | ||
| It had to be under hooks and over hooks. | ||
| So he transitioned very easily to Abu Dhabi and he wound up winning. | ||
| Abu Dhabi is the biggest no-gi competition in the world. | ||
| He wound up winning it and smoking people. | ||
| It was incredible to watch. | ||
| So Eddie comes back. | ||
| And Eddie decides to start this jiu-jitsu gym and we're joking around about all the different names. | ||
| We're probably high as fuck. | ||
| I imagine we're high as fuck. | ||
| And I said, why don't you just call it Tenth Planet Jiu-Jitsu? | ||
| Because it's like we were into Zachariah Sitchin back then. | ||
| You know who Zachariah Sitchin is? | ||
| The sci-fi guy? | ||
| No, Zechariah Sitchin was this guy who wrote these books about a planet called Nibiru. | ||
| And he was a guy who supposedly... | ||
| I'm not 100% buying into this, but it's fun. | ||
| I like this shit. | ||
| He had transcribed the Sumerian text. | ||
| And he believed that the history of the people from Sumer, what they were trying to relay was that human beings were the product of accelerated evolution. | ||
| And that beings from a planet called Nibiru, that's on a 3,600 year elliptical course towards the Earth. | ||
| I've been told this is nonsense by people who are cosmologists. | ||
| Which is another thing that's nonsense, what I said the other day, with talking to Andrew Schultz, that the moon doesn't spin. | ||
| Because we only see one side of the moon. | ||
| We do only see one side of the moon, but it just spins perfectly with us. | ||
| So that we only see... | ||
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Is that right? | |
| You said it was tidal locked or something. | ||
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That's maybe what I was... | |
| Hey, I'm in. | ||
| I love nonsense. | ||
| I definitely was wrong. | ||
| Like, it does spin, right? | ||
| Excuse me, rotate. | ||
| People don't like the term spin. | ||
| Someone's trying to explain this to me. | ||
| I like spin class. | ||
| So it rotates at the exact same rate we do so that we always see the same side? | ||
| The time it takes for the moon to rotate once on its axis is equal to the time it takes for the moon to orbit once around the earth. | ||
| This keeps the same side of the moon facing towards the earth throughout the moon. | ||
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That's it. | |
| So sorry for my misinformation folks. | ||
| I kind of said it. | ||
| After I said it, I was like, I think this is off. | ||
| And then, yeah. | ||
| But this Zechariah Hitchin thing. | ||
| So anyway, this was Zechariah Hitchin. | ||
| He wrote these books called, I think it was The Twelfth Planet was one of them. | ||
| And it was all about these ancient Sumerians. | ||
| And one of the weirdest things about it was like, these people had these clay tablets that had like a detailed map of the solar system. | ||
| 6,000 years ago, they carved it in clay. | ||
| And they also had these giant beings with like people with tails sitting on their lap. | ||
| And they had the double helix of the DNA. And he interpreted all this as this was some sort of an ancient recording, like where they were trying to record what had happened. | ||
| And when he was going through these ancient Sumerian texts, he believes that it was really all about these beings called the Anunnaki. | ||
| Those from heaven to earth came and that these beings came from this planet that is described as Nibiru and that they have manipulated human DNA forever. | ||
| So you are into Star Wars? | ||
| I worship at the altar of nonsense. | ||
| So everything you said to me right now, all in. | ||
| I'm all in on it, dude. | ||
| It's so fun because if it really is the case, first of all, we know that we would do that. | ||
| 100%. | ||
| We would do that. | ||
| We've done that to animals. | ||
| We've done all kinds of weird shit. | ||
| We've made hybrids. | ||
| And of course, if people were designing, they're making life forms in Petri dishes. | ||
| For sure, we would do that. | ||
| I don't know how close or far we're... | ||
| Whatever all this gene splicing shit, I'm like, dude, if that's real... | ||
| I'm like, give it to me. | ||
| Lobster claws, gorilla body, scorpion tail, tiger face. | ||
| Everybody's gonna look like that guy from Prometheus. | ||
| Remember the guy that dies in the alien movie Prometheus? | ||
| Don't you want like cheetah legs and like fucking- Yes! | ||
| I want wings, bitch. | ||
| Marsupial pouch. | ||
| Where's my fucking wings? | ||
| I want eagle wings. | ||
| Bat wings. | ||
| I'll take sugar glider wings. | ||
| You know? | ||
| Webbed feet like Kevin Costner in Waterworld. | ||
| I'm all in, dude. | ||
| You believe in aliens? | ||
| Yes. | ||
| I accused you of being an alien last time, right? | ||
| Probably. | ||
| I don't remember. | ||
| Alright, you want to hear my hot take on comedy right now? | ||
| Okay. | ||
| We're going all over the road. | ||
| Yeah, sorry. | ||
| I like it. | ||
| So, in the same way, in the same way tonight, right, if you go home tonight and you do like a hardcore jerk-off session to porn, you could watch more porn in 24 hours I don't know how accurate this is, but it's pretty accurate, than all of your ancestors since the beginning of time, right? | ||
| Of course. | ||
| You can watch thousands of people fucking tonight, whereas before the internet... | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| So in the same way, when I was passing around tapes of Eddie Murphy, Raw, Delirious, you could watch every comedy special in a week. | ||
| From, like, the funniest guy in Dubai to the hottest guy in Hong Kong. | ||
| You could, like, just download that shit, right? | ||
| And I actually want to make a quick comment on style for comedians. | ||
| Like, I always remember, like, what Martin Lawrence or Eddie Murphy was wearing. | ||
| Like, leather suit, no shirt. | ||
| Because, not to be disrespectful, but isn't the art of comedy or the act of comedy, like... | ||
| You're a fool or you're a court jester or your your job is to make this funny, right? | ||
| It's to make people laugh and then you have these comedians going on stage Dressing in suits or dressing like just in a hoodie or I'm like you're a fucking clown dude dress ridiculous look like this But entertain me I see what you're saying, but I don't think so I think they should dress in any way that feels funny to them Like, I've gone on stage in suits many times. | ||
| It's fun. | ||
| We get a kick out of it. | ||
| Really? | ||
| Yeah, there's a photo of us all in Vegas. | ||
| We did the MGM, and I said, dude, we should go and get Rat Pack-like suits. | ||
| Get some dope fitted suits. | ||
| And so I had David August make everybody's suits. | ||
| We just decided it would look cool and have fun. | ||
| I mean, but imagine... | ||
| But the difference is trying to be cool. | ||
| What people interpret when you see someone who's dressed up really nice or is wearing a lot of jewelry or looks very flashy, they're trying to be cool. | ||
| You wouldn't have fun doing a stand-up set dressed like an alien? | ||
| No. | ||
| No, it's too on the nose. | ||
| But some people are. | ||
| That's how they feel good. | ||
| They feel good when they dress nice. | ||
| They feel good when they wear nice shoes. | ||
| They feel good when they got a nice watch on. | ||
| They feel good. | ||
| So in feeling good, they'll go on stage, they'll perform better. | ||
| I'm like, this profession is like, it's a clown profession, so I kind of want the outfit to match the... | ||
| Alright. | ||
| If you go watch Eddie Murphy, Delirious, I think he was probably wearing like a leather jumpsuit or something. | ||
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Yeah. | |
| Amazing. | ||
| It was amazing. | ||
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Yeah. | |
| It's amazing. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| You know, Richard Pryor live at the Sunset Strip. | ||
| He has a blazer and a nice shirt on. | ||
| You know, it's like guys have... | ||
| Yeah! | ||
| Look at that crazy outfit with his fucking zipper all the way down to his belly button. | ||
| Yeah, I was like eight when I saw that and I still remember it, you know? | ||
| That was a classic, dude. | ||
| I mean, people don't know that if Eddie Murphy kept going, there would have been no doubt. | ||
| There would have been no doubt who the greatest comedian ever was. | ||
| Eddie Murphy just stopped doing it. | ||
| If you watch, like, Eddie Murphy was like a progression from, in many ways, like a progression from Richard Pryor. | ||
| Like, here's the new young Richard Pryor style of comedy. | ||
| And he was so good, man. | ||
| He was so fucking funny. | ||
| I'm glad he stopped. | ||
| Yeah, the red outfit. | ||
| Interesting, right? | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| Oh, you took so much from Pryor. | ||
| Well, everybody did. | ||
| Everybody did. | ||
| Everybody took from Lenny Bruce. | ||
| Everybody took from Pryor. | ||
| I like the theme of getting out while you're ahead because there's always like, Eddie's going to be back and he's going to kill. | ||
| I'm like, he already killed. | ||
| He destroyed and he's a legend. | ||
| And just let him stay that way. | ||
| This thing where like... | ||
| Why would you say that? | ||
| This is why that's wrong. | ||
| He's missing out on the chance to kill. | ||
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You know, we were all hanging out in the green room the other night and we were laughing. | |
| We were just laughing. | ||
| We had a bunch of really fun shows. | ||
| And we were all hanging out in the green room and we were saying, like, imagine living your life and never killing. | ||
| Never killing on stage. | ||
| Imagine living your whole life. | ||
| I'm like, that would suck. | ||
| The stage just looks different because doesn't he have like 12 kids? | ||
| Don't you think he's like the funniest dad ever? | ||
| For sure. | ||
| Like when he's making breakfast? | ||
| No, listen, that too. | ||
| The fuck man. | ||
| But you can do that too. | ||
| You could always do that too. | ||
| The difference is it's like that guy we missed out on probably Like, the greatest talent that ever did stand-up. | ||
| He stopped doing it. | ||
| Like, stand-up as an art form. | ||
| If you go watch Delirious and then listen to his first album, which I think he was like 20 or something like that, something really young. | ||
| It's so good, dude. | ||
| So good. | ||
| He was just a fucking... | ||
| Amazing talent. | ||
| Amazing talent. | ||
| He just decided to stop doing it, so that's why I don't agree. | ||
| Like, if that guy just decided to start doing it again now, and just started fucking around, and people would let him walk on stage with notes. | ||
| They would let him. | ||
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Right. | |
| If they knew you were just working out on stuff, people would let him do it. | ||
| And he would get it again. | ||
| Like, he did a speech once at, what was it again? | ||
| For some award show? | ||
| He did this speech where he did a Bill Cosby impression, talked about them taking Bill Cosby's awards away. | ||
|
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Mark Twain Awards. | |
| Mark Twain Awards. | ||
| It was fucking hilarious. | ||
| It was like sharp. | ||
| The timing was on. | ||
| I was like, if that guy kept doing comedy, there would have been no doubt. | ||
| He would have been number one of all time. | ||
| He was incredible. | ||
| As a fan of comedy and who's watched, like, because I have this access that everyone also has access to all these documentaries and comedies, and this isn't just isolated to comedy, it's to anything, right? | ||
| Like, everyone who I know who's a musician, like, when I heard One by Metallica... | ||
| There's no YouTube video that shows you how to do double face. | ||
| You're like, what the fuck is that? | ||
| You have to figure that out. | ||
| But now everyone who's spent a lifetime crafting whatever their art is, they're giving it away in a TikTok, right? | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| So when Louis C.K. has a special, he goes on like 10 podcasts and talks about where the joke comes from. | ||
| So it's like the magician revealing all the magic tricks. | ||
| And part of that is great because like... | ||
| You're going to learn more now from YouTube than you are from school or anything. | ||
| But because all the great artists, all the great magicians are giving away their wizardry, when they do the joke now, the surprise is gone. | ||
| You're like, oh, that's how we did it. | ||
| You saw how they made the sausage. | ||
| So as someone who loves comedy, this is how I feel. | ||
| And look, there's always exceptions to the rule, but most comedy, I either feel... | ||
| Like, they're talking down to me or they're talking at me or they're trying to teach me or something like that. | ||
| I'm like, funny. | ||
| Number one priority. | ||
| Like, jokes. | ||
| Laugh. | ||
| And it's like, let me teach you something. | ||
| Let me show you what time it is. | ||
| Let me do this. | ||
| And I'm like, there's so many podcasts that talk about the art of comedy, the behind the stage, behind the scenes. | ||
| And now it's just like a normal dude that doesn't know about... | ||
| That didn't know any of that shit. | ||
| There's too much shit. | ||
| So when I'm like, I just want the joke to just be a joke. | ||
| Like, what if I knew everything about how Eddie Murphy came up with the Raw act? | ||
| You know, he's like, oh, this happened. | ||
| It's like, does it aid the comedy or does it make it like you're watching a TED talk or something, you know? | ||
| Well, it depends on how funny it is. | ||
| There's people that I know, like Shane Gillis. | ||
| I'll watch his set over and over and over again, because I know it's funny. | ||
| I know where the jokes are. | ||
| I still want to see them again and again. | ||
| They're so funny. | ||
| I know how the sausage is made. | ||
| No one's tricking me. | ||
| I know what's going on. | ||
| You're writing jokes, but when it's really well done, I just want to watch it over and over again. | ||
| It's like I know how it's made and I'm still laughing really hard. | ||
| I know the lines. | ||
| I'm still laughing because I'm in it. | ||
| Like you're laughing out loud? | ||
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Yes! | |
| Fuck, dude. | ||
| I love comedy. | ||
| I love watching it, man. | ||
| I still enjoy... | ||
| That's like a very important thing. | ||
| It's like imagine becoming an artist but not liking art anymore. | ||
| You don't like other people's art. | ||
| That would be ridiculous. | ||
| But that happens to a lot of comedians. | ||
| They become comedians and they stop loving stand-up comedy as just someone in the audience. | ||
| Shit man, I think you just described me. | ||
| It's like, I don't like most art. | ||
| I don't like most of my art. | ||
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But yeah, I... You could easily get like that with anything. | |
| You could easily get like that with anything. | ||
| I get jaded with... | ||
| I don't watch porn anymore, but I got so jaded with porn. | ||
| I got jaded with music. | ||
| I get jaded with... | ||
| And then I end up going back to the classics of stuff that is nostalgic or that or whatever. | ||
| So as a student of someone who's like, man, fucking life sucks. | ||
| Let me laugh tonight. | ||
| And I watch these things, I go... | ||
| I could see, like, this is a hot take, no disrespect to Chris Rock, but, like, I didn't even know Marlon Wayans was a stand-up comedian, and his take on the whole Will Smith thing was fucking hilarious. | ||
| And Chris Rocks was like, I don't know, like, it just didn't do it. | ||
| I was like, I could see what he's doing, it didn't land for me, and everything I saw on the internet was like, he just bodied Will Smith, he fucking killed him, and I'm like, did he? | ||
| I don't know, man. | ||
| And so my feeling... | ||
| I know what I sound like, the bitter, jaded guy, like art sucks, comedy sucks, whatever. | ||
| And so I did Psychedelics recently, and like I said, I accused you of being an alien last time you were here. | ||
| And, like, the person that makes me laugh more than anybody is when I'm fucking on psychedelics and whatever that spirit is that's talking is always, like, has the jokes. | ||
| It has the jokes. | ||
| And the last time... | ||
| So, this is a reoccurring topic. | ||
| And once again, I gotta say, this is not, like... | ||
| This is just something I see in my vision quest, right? | ||
| So, I asked the alien last time. | ||
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I go... | |
| Are you real? | ||
| Are aliens real? | ||
| I was like, yeah, it's you, motherfucker. | ||
| I'm like, what do you mean? | ||
| He's like, you never wonder why Asians' dicks are so small? | ||
| I'm like, what are you talking about? | ||
| And he goes, I go, what the fuck is your problem, dude? | ||
| He goes, you know what we look like, right? | ||
| I'm like, yeah, the big eyes, almond eyes like this, bluish gray, no dick, big head. | ||
| Like, you know, like you've all seen that picture. | ||
| It's like, you know what I look like, motherfucker. | ||
| And I'm like, stop cussing at me, man. | ||
| And he goes, we came out to Africa. | ||
| We saw you fucking hairless little, you know, and we fucked a human, right? | ||
| This is what... | ||
| This is what it's showing me. | ||
| Okay, but it's not saying we fucked a human. | ||
| Oh no, it has the filthiest mouth. | ||
| Really? | ||
| Like, I'm dying. | ||
| This is what I look like. | ||
| I'm in nature with a shaman and I'm like... | ||
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Really? | |
| Yeah, I'm like dying. | ||
| And the thing is like, just non... | ||
| Because everyone's like, oh, I'm going to have a spiritual experience. | ||
| And it is spiritual, but it's a long trip. | ||
| So it goes through like hell, heaven, jokes. | ||
| And he goes, I came down to earth, and I fucked your great-great-great-great-great-grandmother, and I don't have a dick. | ||
| Because we don't fuck with genitals, we fuck, we're mind fuckers. | ||
| We use our mind, that's how we have sex. | ||
| And so we're beyond that. | ||
| And he goes, look in the mirror, bitch. | ||
| And I go, what? | ||
| You ever wonder why Koreans have such big heads and your eyes are a little bit like this and your dicks are a little bit smaller because we didn't have any dicks. | ||
| Humans had dicks. | ||
| We melted and so you have little dicks. | ||
| And he's like, you never ever thought about why you're blue? | ||
| I'm like, what are you talking about? | ||
| He goes, you never wonder why you were born with a blue ass? | ||
| And I'm like, what are you talking about, dude? | ||
| Like, I'm like, I'm like on the floor tripping. | ||
| So, I don't know if you know this, a lot of Asians, and they say, they call it the Genghis Khan birth bark. | ||
| Do you know this? | ||
| No. | ||
| Okay, so they call it... | ||
| Jamie, look up like... | ||
| A lot of Asians are born with a giant blue birthmark on their ass. | ||
| Really? | ||
| Yeah, and they say it's all the way back from something Genghis Khan did. | ||
| Yeah, there it is. | ||
|
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What? | |
| Yeah, look, go down. | ||
| The Mongolian blue spot. | ||
|
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Wow. | |
| So I was born with a blue ass, Joe. | ||
| I had a blue fucking ass. | ||
| Dude, like Avatar? | ||
| Dude, straight, I have a picture of my, and some have a small one like this, and some of them have, I'm sure you could find bluer ones, but then after like less than a year, it just disappears. | ||
| So it's called the Mongolian birthmark, and I'd forgot about it until the alien was talking to me. | ||
| That's amazing. | ||
| Yeah, there it is. | ||
|
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See? | |
| Mine looked more like that. | ||
|
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Wow. | |
| So I was born with a blue ass. | ||
| So they know specifically from genetics that this goes back to the Mongol days? | ||
| Well, I'm telling you who gave me the answer. | ||
| The altar that I worship at. | ||
| Nonsense. | ||
| So the alien goes, you think you just had a blue ass out of nowhere? | ||
| You're a fucking alien, bitch! | ||
| And I'm like, what? | ||
| And he goes, I gave you just enough dick. | ||
| You don't need a giant dick. | ||
| You think you want a giant dick. | ||
| It's going to get in the way. | ||
| I gave you a perfect dick. | ||
| You fuck people with your mind. | ||
| And you're not yellow. | ||
| You're fucking blue. | ||
| And I was like, oh, it's not a Mongolian birthmark? | ||
| He's like, you're fucking alien birthmark. | ||
| And I was like, you know, I'm drooling. | ||
| I'm like... | ||
| And look, I did a horrible job. | ||
| His delivery is way more vulgar. | ||
| It sounds more like Eddie Murphy and his prompt. | ||
| He's like cussing. | ||
| And I'm like, I don't know. | ||
| It's like, in my mind, I'm like, this is not what I was expecting out of this spiritual journey. | ||
| So, yeah, I mean, it was, you never heard of the Mongolian birthmark? | ||
| I don't know the exact story, but it's something with, like, Genghis Khan or someone did so much fucking that... | ||
| Genghis Khan apparently did a lot of fucking. | ||
| Yeah, like... | ||
| Some large percentage of the population. | ||
| That that did something to make that birthmark, but it was clarified to me by... | ||
| That wouldn't really happen. | ||
| So that is actually that story. | ||
| Okay, one Mongolian spot is present on over 90% of Native Americans and people of African descent, over 80% of Asians, over 70% of Hispanics, and just under 10% of fair-skinned infants. | ||
| Huh. | ||
| You didn't have a blue ass? | ||
| I don't think so. | ||
| Nobody told me. | ||
| Maybe they just kept it from me. | ||
| My kids had blue asses, some Mexicans have blue asses. | ||
| That story he's saying is, in your psychedelic trip, is literally the same story that's in the Sumerian text. | ||
| That's why when... | ||
| That's what's nuts. | ||
| That's why when you say... | ||
| Wait, in the Sumerian text, they say Asians are spawns of... | ||
| No, no, no, no. | ||
| Or humans. | ||
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Oh. | |
| That humans, that what happened was these advanced beings came down and they manipulated our DNA and added their DNA. But by the way, I have to say this. | ||
| This is this guy, Zechariah Sitchin, and he's very controversial. | ||
| He's like a legit scholar. | ||
| Rock-solid credentials. | ||
| But... | ||
| He's also very controversial. | ||
| I think there's a whole website called SitchinIsWrong.com. | ||
| Joe, if that's for your audience, I already believe you're an alien, so you don't need to... | ||
| I'm just clarifying to people that this is not... | ||
| I think this theory is fun as fuck, and I love it. | ||
| But I don't know if it's true. | ||
| People ask me... | ||
| Like, I think one of the most taboo things to talk about today is, like, you could talk about fucking or drugs, you know, you could talk about anything, but when anyone goes, hey, where's your spirituality at? | ||
| Oh, boy. | ||
| It's like a conversation stopper, right? | ||
| Well, you know why? | ||
| Because anybody who asks it like that is annoying. | ||
| But like... | ||
| Where's your spirituality at right now, David? | ||
| David. | ||
| That's like a... | ||
| That's in my blue asshole right now. | ||
| Someone's henpecking you. | ||
| What are you doing, David? | ||
| But like, I've never asked you that. | ||
| Like, where is... | ||
| Like, what is your thoughts on God? | ||
| I did it. | ||
| I went there. | ||
| Like... | ||
| Well, considering having a podcast, it's very different than someone just bringing it out of nowhere. | ||
| I am not an atheist. | ||
| I've never been an atheist. | ||
| I've never been someone who says, I know there is no God. | ||
| What I have been someone who has said that a lot of the stories, they're in a lot of the religions... | ||
| Clearly have the hand of man on them. | ||
| There's clearly some Description that implies things that are okay to do because of the cultural Values of people that lived three thousand four thousand years ago whenever they wrote this stuff Clearly it condones slavery can treats women as second-class citizens. | ||
| There's a lot in these words that That clearly have the hand of man. | ||
| But there's also some inherent deep wisdom and moral scaffolding that would make the world a better place in almost all of them. | ||
| There's something there that gives people structure and discipline and connects them in a community of like-minded people who believe the same thing. | ||
| I think there's a great value to that that's underappreciated by people who call themselves atheists. | ||
| I think there's also a great value in if you truly believe you're living your life and you're going to be a good person, you're going to go to heaven, you will have that energy through your life. | ||
| You will be carrying the belief and it will actually aid you in your life. | ||
| And that if you think they're just pointless, it's all just existential angst and it's all chaos. | ||
| Like, you live better if you believe that this is all for a better purpose and this is all a part of God's plan. | ||
| That might be true. | ||
| It might not be true. | ||
| But you live better if you think that way. | ||
| You can do that and still look at facts and reality, and you don't have to be ideologically captured by some writing that was written down thousands of years ago. | ||
| But you are better off if you believe that this is all for a greater good. | ||
| Love. | ||
| Love. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| And that's probably what God really is. | ||
| God is love. | ||
| And what love is at its most pure is a force of creation, a force of adhesion and bonding of human beings. | ||
| And we know the opposite. | ||
| The opposite is what's happening right now in Ukraine. | ||
| That's the opposite. | ||
| The opposite is... | ||
| That's hate. | ||
| Yeah, that's murder. | ||
| Fucking whole-scale murder. | ||
| It's wild. | ||
| I mean, war is hell. | ||
| It's the worst thing. | ||
| The worst thing that people do. | ||
| And that exists at the same time on Earth with some of the best people. | ||
| Enjoying some of the best times together. | ||
| While you are with your family and you are with your friends and people come over your house and you have dinner and you're laughing and having a good time, on some part of the world, someone's drinking out of a puddle. | ||
| In some part of the world, someone's in an apartment building that just got hit by a missile. | ||
| You know it's all happening simultaneously, but we only have the ability to understand what's happening to us and We we kind of think these things we know these things are out there because we watch TV and we watch the news But we don't believe it. | ||
| It's it's like it's not even a like there's people that are calling for like war in Ukraine Like you don't even know what you're saying Like you don't even know what that feeling is of be if you knew that would be the last thing you would ever want to happen and I fucking love you, man. | ||
| Like, I love you. | ||
| I love you, too. | ||
| And you, too, Jamie, you fucker. | ||
| Like, I'm not going to leave you out of this. | ||
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And... | |
| Wow. | ||
| Like, I... And part of the thing... | ||
| I love what you just said right now. | ||
| And part of... | ||
| Like, the way I pray is creativity. | ||
| Like, when I make something, that's how I interpret prayer. | ||
| And what you talked about... | ||
| Is like this belief. | ||
| It's faith, right? | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| And part of why... | ||
| A lot of things I've done in my life, people have accused me of being suicidal, right? | ||
| They're like, why are you going into MS-13 territory? | ||
| Why are you going to the Congo? | ||
| Why are you going to Bosnia? | ||
| Why are you going to places that are in conflict? | ||
| And part of that is like, I like it when it hurts. | ||
| And it's just like, I'm attracted towards darkness, or I was. | ||
| And part of that is just, I don't believe. | ||
| Like, I watch the news, I watch something, and someone tells me... | ||
| I've been to every state in America, right? | ||
| Like, most people haven't... | ||
| Most Americans haven't done that. | ||
| And is there unrest? | ||
| Is there racism? | ||
| Is there... | ||
| Yes, there is, but... | ||
| When you try to say everything, like, try to make it binary and everything in, like, black or white, like... | ||
| I've had an amazing time in Texas so far, right? | ||
| And all these places that are considered racist, yeah, I've experienced that also. | ||
| But even when I go to Atlanta at a black mall, I went to the wrong mall, and everyone's yelling shit to me. | ||
| If I could find one kid and be like, hey, why are you calling me that shit? | ||
| And then I bond with him. | ||
| In that moment, I'm just with him. | ||
| I've used love. | ||
| And he didn't run away from me. | ||
| Like him and all of his friends were doing this. | ||
| They were like, and I was like, this is like 20 years ago. | ||
| And I'm like, I'm like, oh, fuck, dude. | ||
| And they were yelling. | ||
| They were literally yelling, you came to the wrong mall, bro. | ||
| Wrong, you know? | ||
| And I was like, oh, shit. | ||
| And I felt threatened. | ||
| I felt like, oh, shit, like something's about to happen. | ||
| And this is 1999 or something, you know? | ||
| And so... | ||
| You know, because of the religious abuse that I was raised in, and it's crazy because most of the mental health institutions or rehabs I've been into, you've heard about sexual abuse, physical abuse. | ||
| You've heard of those abuses. | ||
| I had never heard the word sexual abuse or religious abuse. | ||
| And I'm like, it's disproportionately a lot of Orthodox Catholics, Orthodox Jews, hardcore Muslims, hardcore Christians, hardcore Mormons. | ||
| Like, it's just... | ||
| That, like, organized, like, you have to be like this or else you're bad creates so much shame. | ||
| And I'm like, fuck God, fuck religion, fuck... | ||
| But that's, like, now I've gone the other side towards hate, and I'm like, I'm a loving person. | ||
| Like, I was telling you, like... | ||
| It's not an accident that you're the biggest podcast in the world. | ||
| You're such a sweet, loving... | ||
| You don't get involved with all this other bullshit podcast drama. | ||
| You're just loving. | ||
| You're love. | ||
| You're lovable. | ||
| You are love. | ||
| And so I always go... | ||
| I tend to be a hater. | ||
| I'm always pushed to talk shit or be bitter and fuck everything sucks. | ||
| And I need love to drag me back. | ||
| And so part of that is... | ||
| This is part of 12-step stuff like higher power and whatever. | ||
| We like having a team, right? | ||
| I'm a Christian. | ||
| Our symbol is this. | ||
| I have a star. | ||
| Ours has 20 arms and swords. | ||
| Everyone wants to have a logo and a t-shirt. | ||
| My church is this. | ||
| Ours are round. | ||
| Ours are gothic. | ||
| That's good. | ||
| It's good to have that. | ||
| I was so jaded and I was so bitter and the guy that was helping me through all my darkness was like, kind of don't care. | ||
| I kind of don't care if you believe in God or not. | ||
| It's just like a fake it till you make it. | ||
| He's like, I just want you to believe and have the faith. | ||
| Whether you believe it or not is irrelevant. | ||
| I was like, what? | ||
| He's like, it's just weird talking to you because No one believed you'd be the wealthiest artist in the world, except for you. | ||
| That's insane amount of faith that got you there. | ||
| No one thought you would do this in your life. | ||
| No one thought, and you were the only one, maybe your mom, but because you believed it, it happened. | ||
| So it doesn't matter if 10th planet is ludicrous or the science, like even science is a religion. | ||
| How many times has science been wrong, right? | ||
| Well, science is data. | ||
| Right. | ||
| It's scientists and their interpretations. | ||
| It's incorrect or biased. | ||
| That's the problem. | ||
| And calling it the science when people say that. | ||
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Trust the science. | |
| Right. | ||
| And the scientist is the priest. | ||
|
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It's a process. | |
| It's a scientific process. | ||
| So I subscribe to what you said of like, that's, you know, sorry to sound like a douche again, but that's where I find my spirituality is like, Community. | ||
| It's what they call... | ||
| I just learned this. | ||
| Third space, right? | ||
| First space and second space is like... | ||
| Your house is like first space. | ||
| I think second space is like work where you work and then third space is what People need to like be social like whether that's a cafe church the gym and Third space is the internet now, right? | ||
| That's just where everyone congregates and like I don't I do all these limitations on my phone and technology So it keeps me off social media keeps me off all these things. | ||
| I have a child safe like That's because of my addictive nature. | ||
| But that's where people are, so that's where I have to meet them. | ||
| And I'm still searching. | ||
| I'm not perfect, obviously, but I try to do... | ||
| Anytime something happens and I feel myself going to the dark side, fuck this motherfucker, whatever. | ||
| It's like, how can I meet you with love? | ||
| And then I feel better. | ||
| Selfishly, I feel better. | ||
| That's very important. | ||
| Because so much of... | ||
| So much of Korean identity is revenge, right? | ||
| If you watch Oldboy or any Korean show on Netflix, it's all about, you tripped me when I was five and now I've spent my entire life figuring it out, you know, right? | ||
| Right. | ||
| And so to bring it back to the acting thing... | ||
| I get this role, right? | ||
| I play this asshole, like, kind of lovable asshole. | ||
| I just added that. | ||
| And then I show up to the set, and again, I write a short story back page thing. | ||
| I'm doing improv. | ||
| I have all these, and they're like, Dave. | ||
| Can you just do the lines so that other people can go home? | ||
| Like, no one's asking you to write another, like... | ||
| And I'm like, I don't know how to not do that, right? | ||
| So my character's always yelling at my cousin... | ||
| Doesn't someone know you that works with them? | ||
| That could, like, talk and go, hey, you gotta let Dave know that you can't invent any new stuff and put it in the movie. | ||
| Yeah, I mean, look, it was... | ||
| I was having, like, in the same way that as a comic book fan, like, I feel like I'm, like, Aquaman's a douchebag. | ||
| The Guardians of the Galaxy are, like, D-list, $4 for a dollar bin. | ||
| The fact that we live in a world now that, like, Aquaman, Wonder Woman, Iron Man's, like, the worst. | ||
| No one reads Iron Man. | ||
| Like, these are, like... | ||
| I used to read Iron Man. | ||
| You bought issues of Iron Man. | ||
| Yes, yes. | ||
| So you know the whole Tony Stark's... | ||
| Fuck yeah. | ||
| Oh, okay. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| You're a unique person. | ||
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No! | |
| No! | ||
| It was very popular. | ||
| Iron Man was super popular when I was a kid. | ||
| You're a little bit older than me, but most kids it was Batman, X-Men, Superman. | ||
| Yeah, but Iron Man was the shit, dude. | ||
| Iron Man was very popular. | ||
| The Hulk was very popular. | ||
| I love the Hulk. | ||
| Spider-Man was very popular. | ||
| I was a Marvel guy. | ||
| I really didn't get into DC Comics that much. | ||
| I fucking love all of it. | ||
| I love all that shit. | ||
| I just never followed them. | ||
| It's not that I don't like them. | ||
| I never followed them, but John loved Marvel. | ||
| Marvel had a better buy-in, like the awkward teenager that gets the super, you know, like not that many people are born billionaires that become bad, you know? | ||
| I think DC was more, like, I know they're all really old, right? | ||
| But I think DC, it reminds me of like a different, like a World War II mentality or something. | ||
| Like the origin stories for these people. | ||
| It was more clunky. | ||
| Came from another planet. | ||
| You know, shut the fuck up. | ||
| Hulk's a normal dude. | ||
| Right. | ||
| Normal scientist. | ||
| You wouldn't like me when I'm angry. | ||
| Right. | ||
| Everyone could buy me on that, right? | ||
| Everybody loves it. | ||
| I'm just a nerd, but don't push me. | ||
| This guy gets bit by a radioactive spider. | ||
| I'm a nerdy teenager. | ||
| His uncle who took care of him gets killed because he callously lets these bad guys run past him. | ||
| And nobody knows this, but he could actually shoot the webs out of his dick and his asshole. | ||
|
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I didn't know that. | |
| Yeah. | ||
| I mean, that's where spiders shoot webs out of, right? | ||
|
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Yeah. | |
| The web thing is so ridiculous. | ||
| He invented this shit that's better than anything anyone's ever figured out ever. | ||
| He could be a fucking super billionaire just from that web. | ||
| Right, exactly. | ||
| The idea that we buy into the fact that this fucking college kid invented this stuff that shoots from his wrist in a never-ending supply and allows him to grab buildings and swing. | ||
| He's shooting these thick ropes out of his wrist and I'm like, bro, If I would buy that all that shit, you know like and just- But where's it coming from? | ||
| Where's all that shit coming from? | ||
| That's the problem. | ||
| There's no storage tank on him. | ||
| He's just shooting these webs and they're just flying off of him from what? | ||
| Are you making that stuff? | ||
| Well the easy thing is always like he's a genius the smartest guy on the planet, you know. | ||
| But if you only invented the web, that guy could invent anything. | ||
| He'd make antimatter devices. | ||
| My point... | ||
| Is that smart? | ||
| My point was the shittiest comics that I didn't read are these billion dollar, like, Ant-Man? | ||
| Who the fuck ever read Ant-Man, you know? | ||
| So in that same kind of feeling... | ||
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It's just a run out of, like, superhero, like, narratives. | |
| There's... | ||
| Yeah, that might be true. | ||
| I think it is. | ||
| And you know what else? | ||
| I hate to say this. | ||
| I gotta pee again. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
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Sorry. | |
| Go do it. | ||
| I'm super hydrated. | ||
| Go do it, man. | ||
| So, yeah, I... I just found Jamie's was Morbius. | ||
| Morbius was cool. | ||
| I used to like Blade. | ||
| Blade was my favorite. | ||
| Oh, Blade's the best. | ||
| Blade was the shit. | ||
| He had teak knives. | ||
| They were knives made out of teak wood so he could kill vampires. | ||
| He came out of his mom and just fucking killed her. | ||
| He was a bad motherfucker. | ||
| Blade was dope and Wesley Snipes is... | ||
| That movie, the beginning scene of that movie where Tracy Lourdes leads that guy into the middle of this disco and all these vampires are dancing and he doesn't know they're vampires. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| And then the blood starts spraying. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| And it's a fucking amazing scene. | ||
| It's one of the best scenes in any horror movie ever. | ||
| It's so cool, too. | ||
| And just the imagery when this guy goes through this and he starts recognizing that it looks like these are human bodies that are hanging from there. | ||
| I love that you knew that. | ||
| Oh, my God. | ||
| Tracy Lourdes. | ||
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Yeah. | |
| You know all the actors. | ||
| Yeah, this was an amazing scene. | ||
| And then Blade shows up and kills all the vampires. | ||
| It's fucking incredible, man. | ||
| It's such a good scene. | ||
| To this day, even if I don't watch the whole movie, I'll throw this scene on. | ||
| Because when the guy realizes that there's blood coming out of the ceiling, and then he looks up, and he sees the faucet, and it just starts spraying, and the way it's shot is almost like stop action, because whoever the director was, they did an amazing job of setting it up where it's like the chaos of the moment. | ||
| It's expressed in the way he filmed it. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| Like, for the guy who's getting sprayed with blood surrounded by vampires and freaking out, like, everything's chaotic. | ||
| He's seeing them dance around their fangs and they're all looking at him. | ||
| That's a lot of blood. | ||
| That's a lot of cherry juice or whatever they use. | ||
| Yeah, whatever the fuck they use. | ||
| Everybody's covered. | ||
| And so he's trying to get out of there. | ||
| They're beating the fuck out of him. | ||
| And after they beat the fuck out of them, Blade shows up. | ||
| Yeah, Disney owns Marvel now. | ||
| Like, they're ready to kill him. | ||
| I don't think they're gonna make something this blood-drenched for kids. | ||
| I wonder if they're done now with this. | ||
| There's a new Blade that's coming out. | ||
| Yeah, I heard. | ||
| I wonder if it's gonna be like this, though. | ||
| Hire me as the writer and it'll be good. | ||
| I mean... | ||
| This fucking scene's amazing, though. | ||
| This is the first time you see Blade. | ||
| They're all freaking out. | ||
| The Daywalker. | ||
| And they all freak out as soon as they see him. | ||
| This fucking scene's amazing, man. | ||
| Oh, it ended! | ||
| Oh, you teased me, bitch! | ||
| But just talking about this, when I'm reflecting on what I like, my superheroes are the Hulk, Spider-Man. | ||
| You did something to me, and now you're going to fucking learn what time it is. | ||
| You tend more towards werewolves, blood, vampires. | ||
| No, you like the monsters, right? | ||
| I do. | ||
| You're more of a monster guy. | ||
| But yeah, my point with all of it was just the fact that I'm a super nerd. | ||
| I fucking buy original comic art. | ||
| As someone like that, it's kind of surreal to be in a world where someone's mom knows who Tony Stark is, right? | ||
| Only nerds would know that, right? | ||
| Right, back in the day. | ||
| So I'm having a very similar feeling on set because I've done artwork or other... | ||
| I've been on movie sets before, and I've just... | ||
| I've never been in a scenario where 95% of beef, the Netflix show I did, the cast is Asian. | ||
| At the height of my gambling, when I'm being flown to Macau, when I'm flying and taking every penthouse suite in Vegas... | ||
| That was a surreal, like, here's a bus full of hookers. | ||
| Here's every drug you want, even though you don't do drugs. | ||
| Here's, like, everyone's calling me Sir, Mr. Cho. | ||
| Like, that doesn't happen anywhere else in my life except for there. | ||
| And then I arrive on set and, like, there's a giant Netflix fruit basket. | ||
| And, like, I, like... | ||
| I open my water, take a sip, and then a white guy comes and goes, let me get you a fresh water, sir. | ||
| And I'm like, dude, it's cool, bro. | ||
| And I'm like, oh, this is why Hollywood people are fucked up. | ||
| Because this is not natural. | ||
| This is fucking weird, dude. | ||
| People are licking my ass. | ||
| And I like it. | ||
| I'm like, this feels good. | ||
| I'm glad you said that. | ||
| Well, the thing I said before about... | ||
| Asians, I've only seen them as kung fu masters or waiters or nerds. | ||
| I'm like, oh, I get to play like a real person and I don't have to like code switch or I don't have to pretend to be this kind of Asian or that. | ||
| Like I'm just me. | ||
| Right, but the weirdness is the way they treat the stars. | ||
| Oh, dude, I'm like... | ||
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It's bizarre. | |
| I was like, bro, I'll get my own food, you know? | ||
| Like I get to my room and they're like... | ||
| And it's like, if acting or Hollywood is a religion or a cult, like, it's just everyone there is buying in, right? | ||
| Like, the lighting guy wants to be, like... | ||
| Well, that's, if you're an atheist and you're really into acting, you know, there's certain people that are your gods. | ||
| They're your deities. | ||
| So, yeah, I went as someone who, look, I don't know how you perceive me, but I perceive myself over the last, all the spiritual work, all the work I've been doing, all the insane fucking rehabs and mental institutions. | ||
| I'm a fucking chill dude. | ||
| That's how I feel. | ||
| But I didn't, that wasn't my role for this character. | ||
| I had to go back to old 19. Yeah. | ||
| And so now I'm at with my family at a deli getting a Reuben and, you know, my wife's like, that was a very aggressive Reuben order. | ||
| You know, like, I'm like, over here, like, and I kind of don't like how I feel. | ||
| And I'm like, you know, I'm talking to Ali, I'm talking to Steve, I'm like, I don't know how you guys do this and not lose your mind. | ||
| They're like, Dave, you don't have to go method. | ||
| And I go, I don't know how to not do that. | ||
| I don't have that button. | ||
| So you're ordering food in character? | ||
| I wasn't trying to. | ||
| They called it leaking. | ||
| I was leaking like fucking crazy. | ||
| Oh, okay. | ||
| Like that guy, because I'm like... | ||
| Yeah, don't do that. | ||
| And the thing is, I act all day with my kid, right? | ||
| I'm fucking... | ||
| I'm playing, and then it's fun. | ||
| The objective is fun. | ||
| But if I'm waving a gun at someone's face, and I'm like, fuck you! | ||
| And Ali Wong's my friend. | ||
| I don't want to fucking yell at my friend. | ||
| And the guy says, cut, again. | ||
| Fuck you! | ||
| Cut! | ||
| Fuck you! | ||
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Cut! | |
| At the end of the day, I've just been screaming, fuck you, waving a gun, and like... | ||
| Maybe if I grew up as an actor, but I go, that doesn't feel good. | ||
| That doesn't feel good to me. | ||
| And so I kind of lost my mind playing this character. | ||
| And so I checked myself into a mental hospital for a week. | ||
| Oh my god, Dave. | ||
| I was like, why not? | ||
| I called this place that I used to go to. | ||
| So playing this character hit a switch in your brain? | ||
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I lost my fucking mind. | |
| I lost my mind. | ||
| Really? | ||
| I lost my mind. | ||
| And then I went to Mississippi. | ||
| I go there all the time. | ||
| Can I talk to you about this? | ||
| Just the path of the mind, right? | ||
| How flexible is the idea of losing your mind? | ||
| Like, is it... | ||
| When you're at a good state of mind, you're in a good state of mind and something comes along, like, how flexible is your mentality? | ||
| Does it immediately go into this new groove? | ||
| Like, if you decide you're gonna be in character and you're gonna play this asshole, does that become you? | ||
| And how much of who we are or who we assume we are is just a program that we're running so that the weirdness of life doesn't give us unbearable anxiety. | ||
| So we're running a program and that program is most of your past thoughts and experiences and the things you've learned and done and then interface that with the rest of the world. | ||
| But if you decide, because you're playing in a role, that you're a fucking asshole, like, I wonder how much of what we are is choices where, for you it was just acting, because you wanted to be an asshole for a movie, but for other people, like, how much of who you are is because of the way people behave around you? | ||
| And how will I... How vulnerable are we to other people's behavior and thinking and just like, let's go back to the Hadza where you were talking about these people all eating those brains. | ||
| For them, that is completely normal. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| It's completely normal. | ||
| It's a highlight. | ||
| Right. | ||
| So it doesn't feel bizarre at all. | ||
| For you, culturally, you've never experienced this before. | ||
| You're there. | ||
| It's wild. | ||
| You're like, holy shit, this is crazy to see. | ||
| That all of it's crazy to see. | ||
| But isn't that... | ||
| That seems to be the fucking case with everything. | ||
| I think the human mind, like what we accept and what becomes normal to us, I think it's very malleable. | ||
| Really malleable. | ||
| Oh, I mean, absolutely. | ||
| And if you're a really good human or artist that you have walls down and you're like a conduit, then things affect you. | ||
| If I'm jaded and my walls are like this, then I could watch a snuff film or have the worst shit happen and it's just like, whatever. | ||
| I could see a guy dying on the street. | ||
| But don't you think if you had that way of thinking, you couldn't be creative? | ||
| It's almost like that way of thinking, like you're putting up a barrier to sensitivity, which is like so important for any kind of art. | ||
| You have to be sensitive. | ||
| Well look, part of just existing... | ||
| Part of existing for me, like people, when I think of how people are sensitive to racism right now, right? | ||
| And they're like, I can't believe they made a racist joke or whatever. | ||
| And I'm like, I grew up in the 80s, the 70s, and the coolest kid at school would be like, David Chow, how do you say your name? | ||
| Chow Ching Chong? | ||
| And guess what I would do? | ||
| If it was like a Disney movie, I would like stand up. | ||
| Hey, you can't talk to me. | ||
| That's not what happened. | ||
| I laughed. | ||
| I was like, I don't know what to do in this moment. | ||
| And I don't want to like go against everyone else's laughing. | ||
| So I guess I'll just laugh. | ||
| Yeah, yeah. | ||
| And I'll just laugh. | ||
| So I'm like laughing at a racist joke in the 80s against me because that's the mask or whatever. | ||
| And I think what you're asking... | ||
| It depends how open you are, how sensitive you are to other people's energies, and also, just quite frankly, if you're an addict or not. | ||
| If you have that addict... | ||
| But you become another person while playing a person. | ||
| Like, this is a narrative in movies where a pandemic hits, and then a person becomes a savage. | ||
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Right. | |
| Right? | ||
| Like, that is in The Last of Us. | ||
| Right. | ||
| That the gentleman Pascal, what is his name? | ||
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Pedro Pascal. | |
| Pedro Pascal. | ||
| Amazing in that show. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| But that's the role. | ||
| He was a normal guy. | ||
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Right. | |
| And then all of a sudden, you know, spoiler alert, he's not a normal guy by the end of the show. | ||
| Right. | ||
| That human beings can become other things. | ||
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Right. | |
| Very quickly. | ||
| Very quickly. | ||
| That's what's so weird about behavior. | ||
| Were you in LA when the pandemic started? | ||
| Oh, yeah. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| Like, you go from normal to about to kill someone over toilet paper. | ||
| What was that? | ||
| A week into the pandemic? | ||
| It wasn't very long. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| And there was no real disruptions. | ||
| No real disruptions. | ||
| Disruptions to work. | ||
| But what I'm saying is, like, food was available. | ||
| Right. | ||
| And the power was on. | ||
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Right. | |
| What got crazy during that time was even under the best-case scenario of a total disruption of the country. | ||
| Because the best-case scenario would be it's not for a war. | ||
| It's not, you know, like the power doesn't go out. | ||
| Like there's a lot of scenarios that you could see way worse than what the pandemic was. | ||
| But look at the fucking damage it did. | ||
| Look at the damage it did to people psychologically. | ||
| Look at the damage it did to businesses, to small businesses. | ||
| Look at the damage it did to information. | ||
| You know, propaganda and the way people think about the news. | ||
| I mean, look at the damage it did to the idea that the people that are running the country have a good sense of how to take care of things like this. | ||
| I mean, fear, real or imagined, is... | ||
| I mean, there's a quote about it where, like, most of these things that you're scared of will almost never happen, right? | ||
| So you live a life... | ||
| Like, wound up guns, you're like ready for the worst thing and it'll never happen. | ||
| But that's before the pandemic. | ||
| Right. | ||
| See, there was people that were like that already. | ||
| Yes. | ||
| And then the pandemic came along and cracked them. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| And there's a lot of folks like that. | ||
| I was looking at tanks on Craigslist. | ||
| I was like, I'm going to buy a tank, dude. | ||
| There's a lot of people that got cracked. | ||
| I was looking at that helicopter where a tank could go into. | ||
| I was looking on websites for that. | ||
| Well, that's why we freak out at things like The Walking Dead. | ||
| Because we know that if things go south, people will revert to their worst instincts quickly when there's no internet and there's no way to share information and communicate that someone did this and this happened. | ||
| And if there's no, like, you could take a film of someone murdering someone and then they could catch that guy from the news. | ||
| I mean, that happens now, right? | ||
| Right. | ||
| If you're in Walking Dead times, there's no power, right? | ||
| So no one knows what the fuck is going on, and the only way people organize, they get together and they yell. | ||
| Some guy yells at a group of people, and then they do barbaric shit. | ||
| And this is what the nature of human beings has been for many thousands of years. | ||
| That's why it's so easy for us to snap back into us. | ||
| Right, and culturally, there's a reason why we like superheroes, because we want someone to come save us. | ||
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Exactly. | |
| Culturally, there's a reason why zombies are fucking so big right now, right? | ||
| Zombies weren't this big back, you know? | ||
| It's because when you see a new movie, new sci-fi, it's always post-apocalyptic, post-apocalyptic, post-apocalyptic. | ||
| It's on our minds. | ||
| It's like, we're gonna fuck this up. | ||
| Yeah, it's heading this way, and it's... | ||
| Look, as someone who was raised in the church, like... | ||
| The Apocalypse, Revelations is the shortest book in the Bible. | ||
| So you're like, you go, oh, it's like just like 20 pages or whatever. | ||
| What happens in those 20 pages like spans thousands of years. | ||
| So a lot of people discuss that we're in that now, right? | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| So people go, oh, AI, like this and that and, you know, whatever. | ||
| I'm sure you have way smarter people to talk about that. | ||
| But I go back to... | ||
| That's one by Metallica. | ||
| And if we can go back to early 2000s, that's Lars Ulrich from Metallica trying to sue Sean Parker at Napster. | ||
| And it's like, Genie's out of the bag, bro. | ||
| Like, you can't control that. | ||
| I think they didn't have any idea what was coming, nor how could they. | ||
| We really thought that that was just... | ||
| It's so difficult to see where, like, one invention goes. | ||
| If it was just Napster and that was it for the end of time, yeah, you could maybe control that. | ||
| But it's the thing that never loses, technology. | ||
| There's no stopping it, right? | ||
| And so that's actually the first time Sean Parker reached out to me, and he's like, bro... | ||
| I want to get a painting from you, but I'm being sued for a trillion dollars right now from every single... | ||
| And you know, whatever. | ||
| They got out of that. | ||
| But I'm saying the genie was out of the box, Pandora's box, whatever. | ||
| And so that was back then, right? | ||
| And now we live in an age where most kids don't pay. | ||
| If I wanted to listen to music, I had to take a risk and buy something at Tower Records, get a job, and then shit, man, the single was good and the rest of that. | ||
| risk. | ||
| But now because we have access to all the porn, all the documentaries, all the comedy, all the music, it's like in that way everyone's wealthy, right? | ||
| Anybody can have access to anything. | ||
| anything or find a way to steal it or have it with very low risk of getting caught right right and so people don't understand we have what's out ai for the consumers right but some of the people we know like this shit is bonkers dude And I talked to Jamie about it. | ||
| Like, you will never fucking be able to believe... | ||
| Like, I could come home and be like, AI sucked my dick. | ||
| AI... I want to listen to Carpenters, but I want Ice-T to sing it. | ||
| AI... My dad was, like, really shitty to me. | ||
| Put him up a hologram. | ||
| Have him say all the apologies I wish he said, but he never said. | ||
| AI... Ozarks, but all Asian. | ||
| Change the ending to The Sopranos. | ||
| Deepfake. | ||
| Like, that's... | ||
| It's coming. | ||
| That's here. | ||
| It's not perfect yet. | ||
| It's getting real close. | ||
| And so, what does it do? | ||
| It brings the temperature, the fear up. | ||
| Right? | ||
| Like, a lot of my friends have lost their jobs. | ||
| If I was still trying to sell art, I'd be fucking out of a job. | ||
| Like, AI paints way better than I do. | ||
| And so, what did Metallica have to do? | ||
| Tour, right? | ||
| ACDC, Stones, like 90 years old, still fucking touring. | ||
| And so, it's like what we were seeing again. | ||
| That's here now? | ||
| You could sign papers and shit to try to make that go away? | ||
| That's a fucking insane monster that's here now. | ||
| And of course we would love it if it was... | ||
| Best case scenario, and it was here to aid humanity and do all that, but we've seen enough Terminators. | ||
| Like, the things... | ||
| It's a human that made that, right? | ||
| So, it's gonna probably be really racist. | ||
| It's probably gonna be super sexist. | ||
| It's probably gonna be, like, psychopathic. | ||
| It's probably gonna... | ||
| And so, I go, I could go to fear, I could go to hate, or I could go to acceptance, adapting, and our religion of love. | ||
| And so... | ||
| Whatever that, whatever, like that's a gift. | ||
| If you're like working at a job and you're like, wow, AI is a self-driving car now. | ||
| I'm out of my truck driving job or I've learned my whole life how to like edit sound and now that's done. | ||
| Like all that, it's almost like freeing you to be the whatever... | ||
| Is coming next, and so whatever your version of touring is, right? | ||
| Which is the third space again, it's human connection. | ||
| Like, you can't make, if you're, forget Metallica, if you're like a new band, most people aren't buying CDs, tapes, records, so you have to sell merch, you have to go out, you have to perform, you have to meet people, you have to have connection. | ||
| So whatever that version of that is for you, as a human, No more, like, you're gonna have to move away from technology and more to human connection. | ||
| Okay. | ||
| That's my belief on it, because it's fucking scary as shit, and I could choose to live in fear and be scared, or, like, people are losing their livelihoods that they spent their life on, like... | ||
| Yeah, that aspect of it is terrifying, because people aren't stable financially enough to deal with the entire industry going away. | ||
| I fired my lawyer. | ||
| Like, I asked ChatGBT, like, my lawyer costs 600 bucks every time I pick up the phone, and I was like, as a test? | ||
| Like, here's the questions. | ||
| And, you know, I always got to do 10 minutes of small talk. | ||
| I'm like, that's 100 bucks right there. | ||
| You know? | ||
| I'm like, I don't care about your kids, dude. | ||
| Just tell me what I want to know. | ||
| So he gave me a very similar answer than the ChatGBT. | ||
| I'm like, that's a phone call I'm never going to have to make again. | ||
| Wow. | ||
| Boom. | ||
| Done. | ||
| The guy that does, like... | ||
| You know, but now that guy's free to pursue the next chapter of his life, you know? | ||
| Whatever... | ||
| If something's available, the problem is what people like Andrew Yang were worried about was this mass disruption of our economy where automated things and things done through AI remove most jobs. | ||
| And so we have this abundance of wealth that's available to things like the war in Ukraine and some other stuff. | ||
| We need to consider something like a universal basic income. | ||
| And it's not saying that just for people to never work, you don't have to work, we'll just give you money. | ||
| That's not what it is. | ||
| It's like you have to figure out a way to give people enough money to survive if everything goes away because everything might go away. | ||
| That's where it's sketchy. | ||
| And what's really sketchy is What we might be doing is making a new life form. | ||
| And I've said this before, but I'll say it again. | ||
| I think we're an electronic caterpillar that's going to become a butterfly. | ||
| I think we're not going to be people anymore. | ||
| And I think there's going to be a transitionary period where people are cyborgs and they integrate with technology and it becomes mandatory because everybody does it, just like everybody has a smartphone. | ||
| And then it's going to get to a point in time where they're going to be able to figure out how to either replicate consciousness or transport consciousness. | ||
| Like this is the Ray Kurzweil stuff. | ||
| Ray Kurzweil believes that you're going to be able to download whatever consciousness is into some new form of, you know, whatever it is, quantum computing or something. | ||
| It's coming. | ||
| It may be coming. | ||
| It may be coming. | ||
| And this is what I think it does. | ||
| I think it makes a better version of it, and that makes a better version of that, and I think it happens really quickly, and I think it basically becomes God. | ||
| I think it basically becomes a creative force of the universe. | ||
| If something just becomes infinitely more capable of manipulating its environment and change, like a human being, what we have done, the most devastating thing we've ever done by far is create atomic bombs, right? | ||
| We've created a device that have dropped upon a city. | ||
| It vaporizes everything. | ||
| It's the most fucking insane thing people have ever done. | ||
| But we did it. | ||
| And we can't put that genie back in the bottle. | ||
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| It exists. | ||
| That's a thing that exists. | ||
| If we could do that, what could something that is as far evolved past us as we are from lower primates? | ||
| What if there's some new version of humans that's like a cyborg that integrates with technology, like integrates with some insane computer bank, That has the ability to manipulate everything, manipulate gravity, create portals, travel through space instantaneously to grasp ideas that are beyond our comprehension right now. | ||
| If you keep going a thousand years, it's not like we're going to figure everything out and just be stuck. | ||
| No, they're gonna, each invention, each technological innovation will compound upon the other ones. | ||
| And we're going to get to some place that's impossible for us to imagine today. | ||
| Oh yeah. | ||
| Impossible. | ||
| Just like... | ||
| Shit's about to get weird. | ||
| Like fucking weird. | ||
| When we were kids like there was a there was a commercial that I just saw somebody put up on Twitter. | ||
| It was hilarious. | ||
| It was a device that people had back in the day where it was like velcro on your phone and you would slap this thing that's like a headset and you would put it on so that you could talk on your home phone while you like doing the dishes and shit and I was like they thought that was the shit like it looks so dumb. | ||
| But that's what I'm saying like My dad is old, but sometimes I work with older people, and say you're 90 years old, right? | ||
| So your life is candlelight, no electricity. | ||
| If you're almost 100 years old, that was your reality, right? | ||
| You lived in a time, pre-internet, pre-cars, horse and buggy, candlelight, and if you're still alive today, there's a fucking world now where there's Postmates, Uber, fucking everything, like... | ||
| Self-driving cars, like, this world looks fucking insane to those people, right? | ||
| It looks fucking insane right now. | ||
| And so that's what... | ||
| That's the thing! | ||
| This is the thing, look at the Velcro, she slaps it, look at the headset! | ||
| One size fits all! | ||
| Look at this! | ||
| Stays firmly in place! | ||
| Look at this shit! | ||
| Oh, I gotta get that. | ||
| Bro, this is amazing. | ||
| This guy's washing his slick 1984 car. | ||
| 1993. Wow, look at that. | ||
| 1993 is not that long ago, man. | ||
| Not that long ago, man. | ||
| Not that long ago. | ||
| And that was like the coolest shit that anybody figured out. | ||
| That looks like 70s or something. | ||
| Bro, I used to have a headset. | ||
| I used to have a wireless phone, like a wireless phone that would clip to my belt with a belt buckle. | ||
| Like this big? | ||
| And then I had like a headset that was one of those office headsets that like a secretary would use. | ||
| And I would walk around my house, talk on the phone. | ||
| I thought I was the shit, bro. | ||
| Wow. | ||
| I got a headphone. | ||
| You were the shit. | ||
| I got my wireless phone is on my belt. | ||
| I'm reading a book right now. | ||
| I'm listening to a book I should sell. | ||
| It's called Dissolving Illusions. | ||
| It's all about disease, and it's about the early days of the 20th century and how horrific the conditions were in cities, and how people lived in just filth. | ||
| It's so sad, man. | ||
| And to hear about these children that were forced into labor at like eight years old on coal mines, it's fucking horrendous. | ||
| But a reminder of what's possible. | ||
| Exactly. | ||
| When you look at that, and you look at today, in a way, if you live in a modern city, even a homeless guy is rich compared to that, right? | ||
| Yeah, this book is... | ||
| Let me give the author's name just so people know. | ||
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There it is. | |
| Oh, you got it? | ||
| That's it. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| Suzanne Humphries, MD, and how do you say this gentleman's name? | ||
| Roman Bistriank? | ||
| I'm not a good name. | ||
| Bistriank? | ||
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B-Y-S-T-R-A-N-Y-K. Bistrionic. | |
| Suzanne Humphreys, MD, and Roman Bistrionic. | ||
| Bistrionic. | ||
| Yeah, so it's dissolving illusions, disease, vaccines, and the forgotten history. | ||
| And it's all just about, you know, like, well, the beginning of it, the part I'm at right now is just like a horrific... | ||
| It's like you can't even, yeah. | ||
| It's the conditions that people had to live in and that everyone lived in back then. | ||
| It's just so disturbing. | ||
| It's so disturbing because you realize that like these people were just poor and they were just stuffed into these areas and everybody lived like this and they were just in each other's filth and oh. | ||
| So in the same way, if you lived in that, you would never imagine we would be like this. | ||
| Right. | ||
| Where we are now, we'll never imagine what's coming. | ||
| Exactly. | ||
| And what we know little of is frightening. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| I mean, I'm guilty. | ||
| Like, I know you like samurais. | ||
| I know you like aliens. | ||
| But I know you don't like the nerd shit I'm into. | ||
| What kind of nerd shit are you into? | ||
| How do you know I don't like it? | ||
| Do you like Legos? | ||
| No. | ||
| Yeah, so there's an AI... I'm not interested in anything that doesn't do the job perfect every time. | ||
| Okay. | ||
| It's always going to leave these weird fucking... | ||
| But I'm sure you've seen it. | ||
| There's so much AI of you talking to Jordan Peterson or someone else talking about very specific nerd details of Bionicle Legos. | ||
| Yes. | ||
| Or D&D. Like shit that you don't normally talk about. | ||
| I'm going to show you something. | ||
| And it's like, it's like hilarious. | ||
| I'm like, I like, you know, I'm like, I know it's like my brain knows it's not real. | ||
| But I'm like, wow, Joe's talking really like, you know, really like super into curious about Legos right now. | ||
| No, not that interested in Legos. | ||
| Yeah, I know you're not. | ||
| I think they're cool. | ||
| I loved them when I was a kid. | ||
| I want to send you this thing, Jamie. | ||
| This is an artist who makes these things out of chocolate. | ||
| It's fucking incredible. | ||
| I mean, like, one of the coolest things I've ever seen. | ||
| I can't believe this guy can do this. | ||
| And I want to know how long it takes it because it's one of them TikTok-style videos where you only see, like, clip after clip after clip. | ||
| And it's like very condensed version of how he does this. | ||
| But this guy is an artist who makes stuff out of chocolate. | ||
| And he made a fucking raptor. | ||
| Like a Jurassic Park raptor. | ||
| And it's big. | ||
| Look at this. | ||
| Check this out. | ||
| Go big with that. | ||
| So you can see this. | ||
| This is fucking insane what this guy's doing. | ||
| He's making molds. | ||
| I like his smile. | ||
| Oh, he's having a great time. | ||
| Well, he knows it's dope. | ||
| He knows he makes dope shit. | ||
| This guy makes dope shit, dude. | ||
| Look at this man. | ||
| This is the biggest fucking chocolate I've ever seen in my life. | ||
| This is all chocolate. | ||
| You could eat that thing. | ||
| How could you eat it though? | ||
| How could you? | ||
| Or how could you not? | ||
| How could you not? | ||
| You're Captain Chaos. | ||
| How could you not eat it? | ||
| You'd have to eat it, right? | ||
| Look how beautiful this is, though. | ||
| Like, look at the talons he's putting. | ||
| This guy's fucking amazing. | ||
| Wow. | ||
| What is his name? | ||
| Omri Guchon. | ||
| A-M-A-U-R-Y-G-U-I-C-H-O-N. I don't know where he's from. | ||
| I just found this yesterday. | ||
| The fucking eye moves? | ||
| Dude, it rolls around inside the head. | ||
| He's got it loose in there. | ||
| Look at that, man. | ||
| That's chocolate. | ||
| All his stuff's incredible, too. | ||
| Where's he from? | ||
| It says... | ||
| Yeah, I don't know if he's in America. | ||
| I don't know where he is. | ||
| He's got a lot of countries up on there, so he must perform in different places and put those things together. | ||
| But that's some of the most incredible shit I've ever seen. | ||
| And that's total next level stuff, right? | ||
| I don't know if other people are doing this, because I'm ignorant to it, but I've never seen a chocolate fucking raptor like that. | ||
| Well, that's amazing, the sculpture you have right there. | ||
| Oh, yeah, that's amazing. | ||
| But could be 3D printed. | ||
| Oh, I don't know how he makes it, but it's an artist in Japan. | ||
| No, I'm guessing that he actually made that with his hands, but I'm saying, we are like that chocolate guy. | ||
| That could be 3D printed. | ||
| Right, it could be. | ||
| In another world, right? | ||
| It could be done now in an easy way, but you wouldn't value it. | ||
| Well, maybe we wouldn't, but kids don't give a shit, right? | ||
| Some people do. | ||
| It means a lot in some circles. | ||
| This could be an awkward conversation. | ||
| Uh-oh. | ||
| Like, Jamie's job is probably going to be irrelevant if it isn't already. | ||
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I told him already. | |
| No, no, no. | ||
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Three years or so. | |
| No, no, no. | ||
| No, I'm saying... | ||
| No, half of this show is the fun of pull that up, Jamie, and I'm like, what kind of bullshit-ass link is this? | ||
| Find me some shit on DuckDuckGo. | ||
| Let's... | ||
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There could be a good AI, that could be my whole history. | |
| I'm sure, but it's not. | ||
| Listen, listen. | ||
| That's what I'm saying. | ||
| No chance, no, because everyone's going to want to know that Jamie's here. | ||
| Right, exactly. | ||
| So, even if that's what I'm saying, you still want the human content, right? | ||
| Like, if the AI is here, and it's like, every single editing, bring that up, Jamie, and maybe even you can trick them. | ||
| There's a deep, fake voice that's doing like, alright, Joe, or whatever. | ||
| Like, you would still, for you, you'd be like, I like... | ||
| Jamie as a person. | ||
| Like, I want him here. | ||
| I like him, you know. | ||
| Well, it's an intangible part of the vibe. | ||
| Right. | ||
| If you just decide that that's not a part of the vibe and Jamie's not here anymore, I would feel it. | ||
| I would feel a loss. | ||
| Right. | ||
| Let me give you an example. | ||
| Love you, Jamie. | ||
| There's a thing about things that people do, and this is like the concern about AI art, and I know a lot of people have concerns about AI art, and I get where they're coming from, particularly with taking jobs away from illustrators, and it's going to be a problem, if it's not already a problem. | ||
| It is a problem. | ||
| There's a thing... | ||
| I'm sure it's a problem. | ||
| I don't even know why I'm hedging that, but there's a thing that people really love about... | ||
| I love things that someone made. | ||
| Like, to me, that's fucking giant. | ||
| That means everything to me. | ||
| Like, this thing, this is... | ||
| By this guy, Shane Against the Machine. | ||
| And this is a chimpanzee skull that's made from Zildjian symbols. | ||
| I fucking love this thing. | ||
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Right. | |
| This guy makes shit. | ||
| Like, you go to his Instagram page and he's making... | ||
| You can see the texture of the symbol. | ||
| You couldn't... | ||
| If you did that with a 3D printer, it wouldn't mean anything. | ||
| It would still be dope. | ||
| Like, if someone gave me that and it was 3D printed, I'd still think it was dope. | ||
| Right. | ||
| But knowing that a guy made it, it's way more dope. | ||
| And that's what we're moving towards is... | ||
| I don't think you and I are, and I think as long as we can express the value... | ||
| No, I'm saying we're moving towards you're gonna have to make stuff by, like, it's gonna be less... | ||
| It'll mean more. | ||
| It means more. | ||
| It means more. | ||
| It's real. | ||
| This is this guy's version of, like, Metallica tour. | ||
| Like, you have to... | ||
| Exactly. | ||
| You could mass-produce shit, but that's gonna have less value to someone like me. | ||
| It's a giant thing in the world of pool cues. | ||
| In the world of pool cues, there's computer-made pool cues, where they're made on this lathe and it doesn't ever fuck up. | ||
| And those pool cues, it's just about design and just beautiful execution. | ||
| But in the world of handmade pool cues, there's some motherfuckers that are cutting. | ||
| There's this guy named... | ||
| Well, my buddy John Showman's one of the best examples. | ||
| He makes pool cues where they are cutting these points into this wood and they have all these layers of wood and it's a big block and they spin it on a lathe until it becomes the perfect diameter and they make sure the wood has a good harmonic sound to it. | ||
| They like donk it on the concrete to get a sound. | ||
| My friend Eric Crisp, he takes every shaft and he dinks, he listens to the sound that it makes when it bounces off the cement. | ||
| He wants to know they have the right harmony and that the harmony of the woods go together. | ||
| So the artisanal pull cue guy, how many of those are in the world? | ||
| There's quite a few. | ||
| There is? | ||
| Yeah, I mean not in compared to like how many lawyers there are. | ||
| Right. | ||
| I mean there's but there's dozens. | ||
| There's dozens all over the world and there's a lot in Japan too. | ||
| There's this one company called Zen Cues out of Japan that's doing fucking phenomenal stuff like super artistic shit on pool cues. | ||
| But the rate at which... | ||
| I started earlier with you today talking about how I figured out the money game or the thing. | ||
| The AI can figure that out in two seconds, right? | ||
| It could catfish the shit out of anyone. | ||
| So in that same way, it will figure out how to make imperfect stuff to give it a handmade look. | ||
| No, no. | ||
| I honestly think- So then the value will be in the documentation of it. | ||
| Go to North Demon Cues. | ||
| There's this guy in China that makes these fucking beautiful pool cues and he documents a lot of the construction of it on some of these tiny little things that he's inlaying in there with silver and gold. | ||
| Copper and he's setting it all. | ||
| Look at this fucking gorgeous work, man. | ||
| This guy's doing this. | ||
| I mean, there's photos of his lab where he puts all this stuff together, but his cues are fucking gorgeous. | ||
| Beautiful. | ||
| They're works of art and they play really good, too. | ||
| It's a crazy combination because you can't just have that. | ||
| It has to be balanced. | ||
| It has to have a feel when you drive through the ball. | ||
| And you can make amazing stuff with computers. | ||
| You can make amazing stuff with machines. | ||
| But you're not going to feel it in your hand and know that a man on the other side of the world constructed this. | ||
| And he did it in his workshop. | ||
| And he did it with machines like sanding things and sawing things and lining it up perfectly. | ||
| It's incredible. | ||
| So someone who's in the position of like, that's my passion or my hobby. | ||
| I love making handmade pool cues, but that doesn't really pay the bills, so I'm going to go towards law school. | ||
| Like now that your job is taken away, it's going to push this. | ||
| This is one theory that could happen or one path. | ||
| Let me just stop you right there. | ||
| Because in the world of pool cues, those guys have like a three-year waiting list. | ||
| Some of them have a 10. Southwest cues might have a 16-year waiting list. | ||
| But that's like with any specialty thing, right? | ||
| The guy who hand makes knives or jackets or whatever. | ||
| The ones that are the best will always have a... | ||
| But if you're out there right now and you're like, fuck, I gotta... | ||
| If this is moving towards cyborg god level and it's not evil and it's not trying to kill us and it does make... | ||
| The world a better place where it's like 3D printing houses for everyone and figuring out how to grow its own food and you don't actually need to make that much money because it's like providing for you then you're gonna have to figure out how to like be a person and live with and like you know have a Jamie or have friends and you know more human experiences instead of just living online all the time. | ||
| My legitimate concern is we're gonna be amongst the last of the people. | ||
| That's my legitimate concern. | ||
| My legitimate concern is the idea that we would never be here is so outside the realm of possibility that we don't even think about it. | ||
| But I think if you think about all the other planets that don't have any life, and the idea that this one life is going to prevail, why? | ||
| Just because it's us and we're awesome? | ||
| Like, I don't believe that. | ||
| And whether it's by nuclear disaster. | ||
| Whether it's war, nuclear war, whether it's some horrific natural disaster, whatever it is, it easily could happen. | ||
| And the idea that it wouldn't. | ||
| But this thing that we create, if we create this thing, and this thing figures out the possibilities of these things happening, and also figures out asteroids that are coming that we aren't aware of because we don't have the capability, but it does, so it figures out a better way to detect asteroids and then a better way to deflect them, and then can protect the Earth. | ||
| And make sure that at least that aspect of the natural disaster, you know, problem chart is gonna be solved, right? | ||
| Okay, now we know we have an iron shield like, you know, like Jerusalem has. | ||
| Right. | ||
| Like, we have an iron shield over the earth and no asteroids ever gonna fuck us up. | ||
| So now we gotta deal with super volcanoes. | ||
| Maybe AI can do that. | ||
| Maybe AI can say, you know what, if we just drill in from under the ocean in this direction, we can alleviate some of the pressure by having the lava go into the ocean. | ||
| It'll stop this idea of having a fucking caldera super volcano that wipes out everything on the continent. | ||
| Because those happen all the time too. | ||
| Those happen every, you know, whatever, a million years or so. | ||
| So are you scared? | ||
| I mean, not scared. | ||
| I'm in acknowledgement of just the full scope of possibilities. | ||
| But I'm also acutely aware that I have a desire to think that everything's gonna be okay because I'm okay right now. | ||
| And I think everybody has that feeling. | ||
| I think that's a human feeling. | ||
| And that's why you don't think about things like asteroid impacts. | ||
| But if we play out what you just said, if we buy in that this is it, like we're the last of this... | ||
| We might not be. | ||
| We might not be. | ||
| But let's just say it is, then what should we be doing with our time? | ||
| Nothing. | ||
| Just enjoy your life. | ||
| Definitely enjoy your life. | ||
| There's not a goddamn thing you're going to be able to do to stop the progression of this thing. | ||
| Party up in here. | ||
| It's like stopping the rain. | ||
| You're not going to stop the rain. | ||
| Once it starts raining, you're not stopping it. | ||
| It'll stop on its own. | ||
| It's the dudes playing their instruments as the Titanic is sinking. | ||
| It's like, if it's happening, you could panic and try to get to Mars in a lifeboat or whatever, or you could just be like, it's here. | ||
| It's just one of many possibilities. | ||
| There's other possibilities, too. | ||
| One of them might be that we embrace psychedelics and we change culture and human beings start behaving in a way that's more consistent with what we would like to see from an advanced civilization. | ||
| I just had Rick Doblin on my show. | ||
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| I just had him on too. | ||
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He's awesome. | |
| This mic smells like Rick Doblin. | ||
| That guy. | ||
| He's the best. | ||
| He's been in the trenches for decades. | ||
| Hearing him say that he decided to get into psychedelic therapy when he was like 18, 19 years old, I'm like, how did you? | ||
| It wasn't even legal back then. | ||
| But this guy's been on that grind forever. | ||
| I don't fucking know shit about NFTs, but I made one. | ||
| It's like buying a painting where I paint over 20 times, and I donated all that to Maps. | ||
| Psychedelics saved my life. | ||
| It's connected me to a part of myself I would never get to through Western therapy or whatever. | ||
| So I've known Rick for a while. | ||
| We talk here and there. | ||
| And I said, hey, I have a show called The Cho Show. | ||
| You want to come on? | ||
| And he came in. | ||
| And because he's been in the trenches, because he's this close to getting it, he went into kind of politician mode. | ||
| And I'm like, bro, you could do that on any other show. | ||
| What's the most intimate thing we can do? | ||
| I'm not trying to fuck you or anything like that. | ||
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| And I said, you know, a lot of people, like, for me, the most intimate thing you can do with someone is, like, touch their face. | ||
| Like, you know? | ||
| So we touched each other's faces for, like, 20 minutes, and then the rest— But he's an MDMA guy. | ||
| That's normal if you're tripping online. | ||
| I didn't have to—you know, he's like, let's do it. | ||
| So he touched my face, and I closed my eyes, and I was like, this guy— I had a, like, you could say this bullshit, I had a deeper conversation doing that than if we actually exchanged words. | ||
| So we touched our face for a long time, and then when he started talking to me, and, look, like, I... I want to have fun. | ||
| Like, show me how to have fun. | ||
| Like, it's just life just grinds you down. | ||
| And it's all about, you know, people say that the journey from your head to the heart is the longest journey you'll take in your life. | ||
| And it's been true for me. | ||
| That's interesting. | ||
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I like that. | |
| Because everything is, like, people apply way too much logic, right? | ||
| They're like, how come, what the fuck's that? | ||
| Like, the stats, it doesn't match up, it doesn't make it. | ||
| I'm like... | ||
| Feeling! | ||
| We're so far from feeling, so I just wanted... | ||
| I was like, I have you on, Rick. | ||
| I want to feel you. | ||
| He touched my face, I touched his face, and then we just talked in gibberish for like an hour. | ||
| And like I... You could say we're silly goofing off, which that's part of it, but it's like in the times where words have failed me, like I can never like fully... | ||
| I always feel that. | ||
| I can sometimes get closer when I paint or do something like where I express my art, but like talking is... | ||
| Has limited me in times. | ||
| And so for me to talk to him in like hut tees or tongs or some weird shit that just came out of me and just came, I mean, that guy's the master. | ||
| And I just felt like so connected to him in that moment. | ||
| And I was like, I was like, what else is there to say? | ||
| You know? | ||
| Yeah, no, that guy's so valuable. | ||
| He's the best. | ||
| His work is so valuable. | ||
| He's the man. | ||
| And what I was saying earlier, I didn't mean that somehow or another that's going to stop the inevitable, that if we embrace psychedelics. | ||
| But I do think it would be very beneficial if we did it in a way where people who understood how to do it were administrating it to more people. | ||
| Not for everybody. | ||
| I'm not saying it's for everybody, but it's for a lot of people. | ||
| And what I think is, even if we do that, we're still faced with this fucking real crisis of artificial intelligence. | ||
| It's a real crisis. | ||
| Because if it gets switched, if it goes to that thing, does whatever it wants, we have zero to do. | ||
| We have nothing to say. | ||
| We are now the inferior species. | ||
| We are 100% at the mercy of our robot overlords. | ||
| Right. | ||
| And that was, you know, Marshall McLuhan had a fucking amazing quote from the 1960s. | ||
| He said, human beings are the sex organs of the machine world. | ||
| Isn't that amazing? | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| It might be true. | ||
| McLuhan wrote that in like the 60s. | ||
| Am I paraphrasing that? | ||
| I don't think I am. | ||
| It sounds good. | ||
| I think that's exactly how he said it. | ||
| But like that is what we do, man. | ||
| And if that's what we do, like there's so many instances of that in nature where a thing becomes another thing. | ||
| The caterpillar has no fucking idea what it's doing when it's making a cocoon. | ||
| It's just doing it. | ||
| It doesn't have the cognitive ability to understand that it's making protective air. | ||
| At least we don't think it does. | ||
| The ability to make a protective casing in which it's going to morph and change into a completely different thing with fucking wings. | ||
| And then it's going to pop out of that thing and fly away like the most universally regarded as beautiful insect that we have. | ||
| So in the same way a weightlifting dude in the 50s would not recognize a roided out modern super buff guy, we're not going to recognize what humans are going to do. | ||
| Way more of a jump. | ||
| It'll be way more of a jump. | ||
| It might be a jump outside of the biological. | ||
| Hey, when you get your wings and I get my wings, we're going to fly. | ||
| We're going to have a good time. | ||
| We're going to fly, bro. | ||
| We're probably going to fly without going anywhere. | ||
| That's what's going to be really weird. | ||
| I think human beings are going to be able to do things that if we stop and think about it right now, seems ridiculous. | ||
| I think we're going to be able to make contact with other life forms. | ||
| Here it goes. | ||
| Man becomes, as it were, the sex organs of the machine world, as the bee of the plant world, enabling it to fecundate and evolve ever new forms. | ||
| The machine world reciprocates man's love by expediting his wishes and desires, namely in providing him with wealth. | ||
| It's from Understanding Media. | ||
| 1964. McLuhan was a brilliant guy. | ||
| But that quote, human beings are the machine world's sex organs. | ||
| It's such a nutty thing to think. | ||
| Man, it's in nature. | ||
| There's so many different forms of life where one form of life takes over another form of life and uses it to birth a new thing, like aquatic worms that convince a grasshopper to jump into a pool and drown so that it can be born. | ||
| You've seen those, right? | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| That shit exists all throughout nature. | ||
| Maybe the lure of your phone. | ||
| Oh, six hours a day! | ||
| What you just described right now is actually how I view you. | ||
| What? | ||
| Oh no. | ||
| No, I mean, in a... | ||
| Well, look, I also view myself that way, but you are not the same, you know, like, people can see someone and see them physically, but, like, when I see you and I say you're beautiful, like, I see your soul, which someone could be like, that's some hippy-dippy shit, but... | ||
| I feel energies. | ||
| You could use your words. | ||
| I'm not an intellect scholar or whatever. | ||
| So you could destroy me in a verbal thing or someone smarter. | ||
| But I'm always like, where are you coming from? | ||
| What's your soul telling me? | ||
| So you're not the same person that you were 10 years ago, 5 minutes ago. | ||
| So I feel like... | ||
| I don't want to call it a parasite, but something... | ||
| You're in touch with something that's created this newest form of Joe that I'm meeting today that's not the same guy I met 15 years ago. | ||
| It's just constant work. | ||
| Constant work and constant thinking. | ||
| And I spend a lot of time evaluating my thoughts. | ||
| I spend a lot of time evaluating why I think about things and what I'm thinking. | ||
| And whether or not I'm being influenced or whether or not I'm being... | ||
| When I'm being egotistical or confused, why do I behave the way I behave? | ||
| What could I do better? | ||
| I'm always thinking about it. | ||
| And that's head stuff, right? | ||
| And you're already thinking about it, but then to do psychedelics, would you agree, like, sent it even... | ||
| Oh, yeah. | ||
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100%. | |
| Changes everything. | ||
| Marijuana first. | ||
| Marijuana first changed it. | ||
| And then I think there's a lot of people that go through life without any perturbance of normal consciousness that are missing out on the possibilities of looking at yourself in a way that you can't do without a psychedelic. | ||
| Or I've never been able to do it. | ||
| Maybe you can do it with yoga or some forms of meditation. | ||
| I don't want to say you can't do it. | ||
| But I will say I've never done it. | ||
| I've never experienced the revelations that I've had about life through any other form other than maybe... | ||
| I mean, there's love and childbirth and there's some pretty profound moments that seem very psychedelic in life. | ||
| Childbirth seems very psychedelic. | ||
| That's the most surreal thing ever. | ||
| When you see a baby being born into the world and the love that you have is like you're on a drug. | ||
| It's so bizarre. | ||
| It's so bizarrely psychedelic. | ||
| But there's a bunch of those experiences that transcend us in the regular world. | ||
| For some people, it's a near-death experience. | ||
| For some people, it's coming back from something where they realize, oh my god, I almost lost everything, and now I have a newfound love and appreciation for the world. | ||
| But I think psychedelics do that without the harm. | ||
| So you've done your own psychedelics. | ||
| We've never done it together. | ||
| I've done it, but because you've done those things and I've done them, now we have a shared language when we meet where it's almost, to me, it might not be for you, kind of telepathic. | ||
| And it's like, I've almost died multiple times. | ||
| I have children. | ||
| I've had all those amazing, and you're right, those create a euphoric, drug-like, and psychedelics surpasses that by, like, for me. | ||
| What's a different thing? | ||
| It's a different thing because it's not in this material realm. | ||
| It's this thing of whatever that dimension of thought and beings and consciousness is. | ||
| I don't know what that is, but it doesn't exist here, right? | ||
| So you can only take the information that you get from that and bring it back to here. | ||
| I think that's where a lot of people lose some of it. | ||
| Like, it's hard to take that experience and, like, how do you apply some of that to your life without, like, recognizing that the way you're living currently is not optimal. | ||
| Can I tell you what one of those things was for me very recently? | ||
| Sure. | ||
| Can you believe I have to pee again? | ||
| Go pee. | ||
| I'm peeing so much. | ||
| This is preposterous. | ||
| But I'll pee one more time and then we'll wrap this up. | ||
| Okay. | ||
| This is something I can't... | ||
| When I watch it on YouTube or on Spotify, I don't see. | ||
| But that painting of you, I always thought that line coming... | ||
| I thought it was like you had a rat tail, like Anakin Skywalker or something. | ||
| And it's a broken wire. | ||
| Yeah, the earless cords. | ||
| Yeah, so let me tell you something. | ||
| Going back to... | ||
| Aliens? | ||
| Aliens and God and the spirit world being, like, funnier than any comedian I've ever met. | ||
| That's hilarious. | ||
| So what you're just telling me... | ||
| I want to tell people, though, before you... | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| You did stand-up, and it was very funny. | ||
| You just stand up, you only did it once, and you did it like it was at UCLA, right? | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| And I watched it. | ||
| I watched the whole thing. | ||
| I did it three times. | ||
| I did it three times. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| I thought at that time, I think that was the first time you did it, right? | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| You were in the blue suit. | ||
| Was it a blue suit? | ||
| Red suit. | ||
| Red suit. | ||
| That's right. | ||
| Dude, it was very funny. | ||
| Thank you. | ||
| It was good. | ||
| I was like, this guy could be a comic. | ||
| Thank you. | ||
| And I remember I called you and I told you that. | ||
| Wow. | ||
| Yeah, thank you so much. | ||
| You could do that. | ||
| You're one of those weird fucking dudes, like Howard Stern. | ||
| You could start painting. | ||
| But I think most of us are like that. | ||
| I just go all in. | ||
| I know, but you do. | ||
| But that same reason, I know I'm kind of joking with you. | ||
| Why do you think that you could win fucking Survivor? | ||
| Because there's other people like you out there. | ||
| But I love the fact that you don't think there is. | ||
| Can you tell me if this is true? | ||
| I heard that your new comedy club, which I can't wait to check out, like, you have to put your phone into that lock thing before you go in. | ||
| Just hearing that, like, just, like, when I did... | ||
| Yeah, there was cell phones the first time I did it, but, like, I just... | ||
| To know that you could literally say anything... | ||
| You could say anything. | ||
| And it's not gonna come, you know, and maybe... | ||
| Come do a show. | ||
| Dude, like, it's... | ||
| We'll put you in the little room. | ||
| You'll love the little room. | ||
| The little room is the shit. | ||
| It's the fucking most honest room in the world. | ||
| 120 seats. | ||
| It's fucking incredible. | ||
| It's like you're in there. | ||
| You're like, wow. | ||
| Thinking about doing stand-up is probably the same reason why I still work out at like the worst 24-hour fitness. | ||
| This is what I'm trying to do to you. | ||
| I'm trying to get you to move to Austin, do jiu-jitsu, and do stand-up. | ||
| What am I trying to do to him? | ||
| In, in, in. | ||
| But to go back before pee break, the thing I wanted to say... | ||
| Aliens. | ||
| Okay, so... | ||
| My... | ||
| My life or my experience or my journey with psychedelics is 35 was the first time I ever did anything. | ||
| Like I'd never done drugs. | ||
| Maybe I smoked weed once with BJ Penn like before something. | ||
| But I did it once. | ||
| He's like, you're not going to smoke with the champ, bro. | ||
| And I'm like... | ||
| You got to smoke with BJ. Oh, man. | ||
| That's like smoking with Snoop Dogg. | ||
| I took one hit of whatever how powerful that shit was and I couldn't move. | ||
| So that was it. | ||
| When did you meet BJ? I met BJ through Pat from Ruka 20 years ago, maybe? | ||
| So you met B.J. when B.J. was in his prime. | ||
| Oh, yeah. | ||
| B.J. Prenn in his prime to this day. | ||
| I think there was a couple of years of B.J. Prenn that I would put up against. | ||
| I would like to see him against anybody at 155 pounds that's ever lived. | ||
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The prodigy. | |
| The prodigy. | ||
| People, they only look at bad performances. | ||
| And I said this to B.J. when he was on the podcast. | ||
| If you just look at the elite ones... | ||
| He was so good. | ||
| He was so good. | ||
| And when he was really fit, like when he was doing his strength and conditioning with the Marinovichs, like during the Sean Shirk fight and the Diego Sanchez fight, bro, BJ was a motherfucker. | ||
| But I know you didn't like how I said Eddie Murphy should quit when he, whatever. | ||
| When I look at my friend like BJ Penn or someone like Conor McGregor or Anderson Silva, people that just... | ||
| Killed it, right? | ||
| They just, they took it, elevated it from like... | ||
| Right, but why quit? | ||
| Why quit? | ||
| It's the most fun thing ever. | ||
| This is what you don't understand. | ||
| Like, that's the most fun thing to do. | ||
| It's the most fun. | ||
| But losing is fun? | ||
| It's not always losing. | ||
| But like at the end when they're... | ||
| They keep thinking they're gonna win. | ||
| Like me, I guess. | ||
| Like, Anderson Silva beat Julio Cesar Chavez Jr. in a boxing match when he was, like, 46 years old. | ||
| But, like, those last few that he got his ass rocked, it changes my image of, like... | ||
| Well, Anderson broke his leg. | ||
| Whatever. | ||
| If he's having a great time, fuck it. | ||
| Do you know the story? | ||
| No, I'm a huge spider. | ||
| But when his leg was broke, he was never the same again. | ||
| He was just not the same guy. | ||
| And Weidman's KO of him also put a giant dent in him. | ||
| I mean, that was a big KO. Weidman caught him with that left hook and just fucking clocked him. | ||
| And so going from that and, you know, he's advanced age and he's older in his later 30s. | ||
| Like he didn't even, I don't think he got to the UFC deal. | ||
| He was 34. Right. | ||
| Which for an elite combat sports athlete is like, that's like the very cusp, the top. | ||
| Like I think Pajeda, Alex Pajeda came at the same sort of age bracket, like 34, I think he's 35 now. | ||
| I guess it comes down to value system of what, like, if you're still having a great time, but I'm talking about not just fighters, but anyone who's operating at a high, high wire act level, whether that's comedy, music, fighting, it's like, no one's the goat forever, right? | ||
| You're gonna fucking, like, like... | ||
| Yeah, but it's not even about that. | ||
| Just do your best. | ||
| Do your best, and it's fun to do that. | ||
| Do your best, but if at some point, like, people stop laughing. | ||
| You're starting to lose. | ||
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Get better. | |
| Get better. | ||
| Figure out what the fuck you lost. | ||
| Stop being a bitch. | ||
| What, are you gonna quit? | ||
| Go take naps? | ||
| Let's go. | ||
| Let's go, David Cho! | ||
| Let's go! | ||
| First of all, I take a lot of naps. | ||
| And it's not quit, it's pivot. | ||
| It's adapt, right? | ||
| You're going to stand here as AI comes at you and you're like, no, I'm still the best. | ||
| No, now we're talking about some insurmountable obstacle. | ||
| We're not talking about someone's career that they've already flourished in. | ||
| We're talking about an insurmountable obstacle. | ||
| If you're talking about AI, you're talking about a life form. | ||
| Right. | ||
| And you're talking about probably the new dominant life form on Earth, and that's probably how life gets designed in the cosmos. | ||
| It probably recognizes at a certain point in time the biological limitations of evolution in regards to these multi-celled organisms. | ||
| But if evolution can convince these multi-celled organisms to create something synthetic that's not dependent on blood or bone and maybe can live off solar energy or live off water, who knows? | ||
| But if it can do that, if it can figure out that, then the game's over. | ||
| Well, look, besides the very, very powerful one puff of BJ's weed that I smoked, my drugs, I'm 46 now. | ||
| So the last 11 years, I've done mushrooms eight times. | ||
| I did ayahuasca three times all in one week. | ||
| That was the first time. | ||
| And then very recently, once again, the comedian is back. | ||
| God, alien, whatever you want to call him. | ||
| And I was summoned by the guardians of the plant, Ayaboga, from Gabon in Africa. | ||
| I'd never done it. | ||
| I was like... | ||
| The last time I did ayahuasca, which was 35, the drug told me, the medicine told me, you're done. | ||
| We've given you enough blueprint, enough instructions for you to do for the rest of your life. | ||
| You don't need to abuse us because you like to abuse things. | ||
| And so I stayed off that. | ||
| And then my friend called me. | ||
| He's like, these guys that just are psychics that go around the world administering these ayabogas ceremonies, it's the entire plant grinded up. | ||
| And I was not, I was not ready. | ||
| So I'm in a mental hospital because I just finished filming Beef. | ||
| I'm trying to like go back to, like you said, I was very affected by emotions. | ||
| I'm trying to get back to me, Dave, like peaceful, loving Dave. | ||
| And this guy's calling me from Mexico City saying I've been summoned by the Guardians of the Point. | ||
| Sounds like a movie. | ||
| And I did the most powerful psych. | ||
| I mean, I was high for... | ||
| Four days where I couldn't sleep, I couldn't eat. | ||
| It was way, way past what ayahuasca was. | ||
| And we have... | ||
| All humans have an operating system. | ||
| If we're like fleshy computers, right? | ||
| We're born and then you're taught what you're taught and then you kind of... | ||
| That's who I am and that's kind of stuck who you are for the rest of your life. | ||
| And this thing just started making so many jokes at me. | ||
| It's like, you have a living trust? | ||
| You have a will? | ||
| All the things that normal, wealthy people do or whatever... | ||
| It was just laughing at me. | ||
| He's like, you have storage units full of what? | ||
| And so I just... | ||
| In that psychedelic state, in that spiritual state, I was like... | ||
| I have so many... | ||
| I'm a hoarder because I'm my mom. | ||
| I collect a lot of shit. | ||
| I have comics. | ||
| I have rare painting. | ||
| I have a lot of shit where... | ||
| I'm never gonna sell it and like the people like when I die like this is anyone who has a lot of shit They're probably not gonna know like I have a lot of stuff that's worth a lot to me because of the sentimental value and then things that are just actually worth a lot of money and the thing was like Why don't you just give it away to the people who want it while you're alive? | ||
| And I was like, oh fuck And kind of like teasing me. | ||
| And this is like seven months ago. | ||
| So I've given away like 90% of my personal possessions. | ||
| And like there's some kid right now wearing, like I don't know why I still have my prom suit that I lost my virginity in like 1992. Congratulations. | ||
| Yeah, thank you. | ||
| So he has that. | ||
| But in my mind, my ego goes, when I die and there's a Dave Cho museum, maybe there'll be like a thing of like all my crazy clothes I wore. | ||
| And I'm like, I'm going to give this to someone. | ||
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Can you imagine someone going to a museum of your life? | |
| Well, like Hard Rock Cafe, right? | ||
| There's Prince's guitar. | ||
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Right, okay. | |
| But that's like everybody. | ||
| That's like every band. | ||
| Freddie Mercury's mustache comb. | ||
| Right. | ||
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But imagine your own. | |
| And so I had a very transformative, I'm not going to do a good job if I try to explain to you what happened, but I know that most people will never do that level of psychedelic, but I know a lot of shamans, they don't even do ayahuasca or whatever because they're so in touch with the nature and stuff, so I'm going to save a lot of people money right now. | ||
| In all my fucked upness, in all the rehabs, this is a common thing at like a super expensive rehab, is there's a thing called TRE, trauma release exercise. | ||
| And I did this in Arizona with this guy Taruno. | ||
| And from what he tells me, humans and domesticated dogs are the only animals on the planet that after they experience any kind of trauma, carry it in their body for the rest of their lives. | ||
| So you have a cheetah chasing like a gazelle and like getting this close like scratching its butt like Like, if that was a human, you're like, bro, I almost got killed by a fucking, you know? | ||
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Yeah. | |
| But then you see the gazelle, like, a minute later, go sip some water in a lake, and the butt's doing a little... | ||
| Like, it's shaking that insanity out. | ||
| Like, oh. | ||
| And then it's like it never happened again. | ||
| But if we're... | ||
| Whatever. | ||
| This is what's taught to me. | ||
| And to me, in my situation, it was true. | ||
| If you've had, like... | ||
| Any kind of trauma, you just carry that. | ||
| It creates stress, anxiety, addiction, all these things. | ||
| And so a very common thing, and I'm giving this secret away, is you go to an expensive rehab, and they give you a tennis racket or a baseball bat, and then you hit a pillow or a dummy. | ||
| And you get that out. | ||
| You do this TRE, trauma release exercise, and you're like... | ||
| If you're a fighter or a boxer, you get to get it out in other ways, but... | ||
| Most, I would say most people have never been in a fist fight or like bash someone's head with a baseball bat or, you know. | ||
| So to just get the motion, the feeling of hitting a dummy, I'm like, and these places are expensive. | ||
| So me as an artist, I go, why not make a mannequin that looks exactly like my abuser? | ||
| Or I take it one step further. | ||
| I'm like, can I just hit a person like that's wearing pads? | ||
| And they're like, Dave, this is like a business. | ||
| Like there's lawsuits and liabilities and stuff. | ||
| I go, oh, well, you could do that because, or you can't do that because you're a professional, but I'm an artist, so I have artistic license. | ||
| So a few years ago, this is before you left LA, you know, this was the worst business decision for me because it cost millions of dollars, and this is what a normal art show is now like, right? | ||
| Like, a line waiting, Banksy, whoever, Damien Hirst, and then everyone comes in, takes a selfie, they don't give a shit about the art, and then they just post, like, I was there, right? | ||
| And so, that same side to me... | ||
| Does that irritate you? | ||
| Well, there's a part of me that's like, well, I want to get more likes and more whatever, but... | ||
| So, in a way, it ended up being the best decision that I... Business decision I've ever made, because I had a show in an office building where I rented out this entire office building, and each room, I had a... | ||
| I'm trying to basically steal everything that I learned in all these rehabs and recontextualize it in an artistic way. | ||
| Like most people have never screamed their lungs out, right? | ||
| And there's movies where you go scream at the ocean. | ||
| I had one where you walk in a room. | ||
| This is just like, I'll give you like two of them. | ||
| You walk in a room and there's a punk band where the lead singer just OD'd as soon as you walk in. | ||
| And then they grab you and they go, you need to finish the song. | ||
| And the song is like... | ||
| Written out on the wall. | ||
| I spray painted the lyrics. | ||
| It's like, I'm the best. | ||
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I'm the best. | |
| I'm the motherfucking best. | ||
| And they make you keep screaming it. | ||
| And then you get to be the lead singer of this. | ||
| And that's just one room, right? | ||
| And then you go in another room and it's covered with sculptures. | ||
| Like all these found object sculptures I made. | ||
| But I'm doing the fucking thing that I said. | ||
| I'm a magician. | ||
| There's a guy in there. | ||
| And he knows everything about you. | ||
| Or not everything, but you fill out an application so he knows what's bothering you, what causes you the most stress. | ||
| And he goes up to you and he says, Hey Joe, I know you're having some problems right now at home or whatever your issue is. | ||
| He goes... | ||
| I invite you to take that out on me. | ||
| And you're like, what? | ||
| And you give you a huge bat, and you just beat the shit out of this guy. | ||
| And the harder you beat him, he starts laughing and says, give me all of it. | ||
| And, you know, he's fully protected with police armor, right? | ||
| But then I made it artistic, you know? | ||
| So you literally get to beat the shit out of a human, and then I was like... | ||
| Do you have to use the bat? | ||
| I mean, the people lost their mind. | ||
| They started punching, kicking. | ||
| You can do that? | ||
| No rules, dude. | ||
| I'm not a fucking, like, I'm not a legit business. | ||
| And then we took it on the road. | ||
| I was like, hey, go to the park across the street. | ||
| So the guy in the living sculpture goes across the street, and I had a guy with a bat, and I'm like, anyone who has some shit they want to get off their chest, like, a lady's hitting this guy with the bat going, give me my child support! | ||
| Give me my fucking child support! | ||
| Oh, no. | ||
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What does this suit look like? | |
| It's all the like the police stuff that it could take the impact and then I did like Like a sculpture on top of it. | ||
| So parts of the sculpture are like breaking off, but underneath he's protected. | ||
| Right? | ||
| Jesus Christ, but from a bat? | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| Was the person hitting him in the head? | ||
| He had it fully neck, fully this. | ||
| And we told him, don't hit the... | ||
| We learned the hard way. | ||
| Like he got one right here. | ||
| That's what I was asking. | ||
| Because your head's going to get rattled no matter what, just from the impact. | ||
| But, you know, and this is four years ago I did this. | ||
| And I'm like... | ||
| Like, the show, like, I just explained two things that happened at the show, and there was, like, hundreds of rooms. | ||
| So this thing cost me millions of dollars, and it was so impactful for me. | ||
| Forget, like, you know... | ||
| The difference between, like, oh, I have a million people that went through my show and took a selfie to, like, I got to connect with people. | ||
| I got to share. | ||
| And so, look, I mean, you told me this on the last time I saw you, which is like, Dave, you should start a Patreon or do some shit. | ||
| And I was like, nah, I'm like, what I've learned about myself, about accountability, is in the last 10 years, I've given my art away for free, and people don't appreciate free. | ||
| There has to be some skin in the game, right? | ||
| Like when I give away like a thousand dollar prints for free, they go immediately like, it must not be good, right? | ||
| But the second I charge money, they're like, oh, so like you tell me where I should go with this because I just started a YouTube channel like very recently because I'm like, I'm like... | ||
| What are you doing on it? | ||
| I'm doing, like, wacky shit, dude. | ||
| I'm just, like, talking to my inner child. | ||
| I'm just, like... | ||
| On YouTube? | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| You know your inner child's not on YouTube. | ||
| I know. | ||
| It's like I'm doing, like, I'll do a, like, a guided meditation on, like... | ||
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Oh, that's cool. | |
| And then I'm like, but that didn't speak to me. | ||
| I want to do a guided meditation as Wolverine, as Batman, and then I'll put that shit up on. | ||
| So... | ||
| Just whatever you feel like. | ||
| Just whatever I feel like. | ||
| And then because through just all the experiments I've done, like that experience, the Cho Show in the building was free. | ||
| I made my TV show. | ||
| I have... | ||
| If you go to the Cho Show now, I have a paid thing now of people... | ||
| I don't even know if I really want to do it, but I want some accountability from people. | ||
| When things are free, everything's like, whatever. | ||
| But when you have some skin in the game, at least that's how I operate. | ||
| That's always been the case with comedy clubs. | ||
| Whenever they give away the tickets for free, it's always a disaster. | ||
| It's never good. | ||
| You want people to be there because it's worth something to them. | ||
| It's an exchange. | ||
| So this is the, the first thing was the Cho Show where they're like, it wasn't, it was like I could only get like 100 people through a day because it's such a intense experience for each person. | ||
| And that was fulfilling for me. | ||
| But if I'm trying to meet people where they're at in the third space, and that's online, it's like, how can I, how can I, how can I teach people everything that I've learned? | ||
| Because It's such a weird thing. | ||
| It's such a weird feeling for me to go to a place that costs $100,000 a month. | ||
| And I'm like, what did I really learn there? | ||
| They just taught me how to feel again. | ||
| They redid my operating system. | ||
| And I'm like, this... | ||
| And then with my kids now and any kid now, you go to school to learn 2 plus 2 or all the shit that the AI is going to do anyways. | ||
| And they don't teach you how to... | ||
| Get in touch with your emotions or express yourself in all those very simple things. | ||
| So we kind of grow up robots. | ||
| These unfeeling robots like college, get married, have a kid. | ||
| We grow up in a way that facilitates us getting a good job. | ||
| So my life right now, everything I just told you about is dad life. | ||
| I'm chilling. | ||
| I spend a lot of time with my kids. | ||
| I'm chilling. | ||
| But now I had a taste of acting. | ||
| I have the YouTube thing. | ||
| Hold on. | ||
| You went, you acted. | ||
| And you wound up in a fucking mental institution. | ||
| I checked myself in. | ||
| You wound up in a mental institution. | ||
| I didn't say someone dragged you there. | ||
| Right. | ||
| But you would want to go back to doing that. | ||
| If it was... | ||
| That seems to me. | ||
| Batman, Wolverine, White Chicks 2, Heat 2... | ||
| Well, actually, this show's not even out yet, or it might be out, but... | ||
| Like, people are already hitting me up. | ||
| They're like, you're a scene-stealer. | ||
| They're saying this shit, and so I got a part in the new Batman as the Joker, and I'm calling myself the Choker, because I'm the Choster, and... | ||
| The audition person is really, really fucking rough and they keep having me come back because it's my fucking daughter, dude. | ||
| I'm like sitting there going, all day I play Batman, all day I play Wolverine, all day I do this shit and it's fun. | ||
| I don't know if I'd have fun like on a set like... | ||
| You know, cut! | ||
| Chop his head off again. | ||
| Cut! | ||
| It's a lot of work. | ||
| The fun thing is seeing the product, right? | ||
| That's what's fun about it. | ||
| I think I already got your answer. | ||
| You're like, fuck acting, so I think I'm done. | ||
| I get it for some people. | ||
| It's just like, look, Jamie likes golf. | ||
| I've never played golf. | ||
| You know what I'm saying? | ||
| It's like that kind of thing. | ||
| There's a lot of great things out there. | ||
| You just can't do more than you're already doing if you're full. | ||
| And I'm full of stuff to do. | ||
| I don't have any more stuff to do. | ||
| I have no room for other stuff. | ||
| I'm not interested. | ||
| I like watching other stuff. | ||
| Doesn't mean I don't like it. | ||
| Just I'm not doing it. | ||
| I don't have the time. | ||
| I guess I'm not... | ||
| I guess I'm pretty full. | ||
| Like my kids and that life is... | ||
| But there's still part of me that feels... | ||
| I learned some shit. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| And I feel like I want to maybe share those things. | ||
| Like, I would love to never podcast again. | ||
| I love talking to you, but, like, there's a part of me that feels even hoarderish when I learn something that can help someone and I keep it to myself. | ||
| Like, I've learned a lot of shit. | ||
| I mean, when a kid asked me today, like, how do I make it in the art business? | ||
| I'm like, that I don't know because anything I made it... | ||
| As an illustrator, as a graffiti artist, none of that stuff's relevant anymore. | ||
| But the stuff that has to do with fun, feeling again... | ||
| I mean... | ||
| Dude, sorry if I told this story again, but there's an art barn at most rehabs because most of these guys are strung up, they are CEOs, whatever. | ||
| So the one that I went to was like 100 grand a month, so there's a lot of multi-millionaires, billionaires there. | ||
| And there's an art barn. | ||
| And I'm like, fuck yeah, that's where I'm going to escape. | ||
| And they're like, not for you. | ||
| I'm like, what? | ||
| I can't go in there? | ||
| And they're like, no, that's how you get high, so you're going to go do something else. | ||
| And I'm like, fuck. | ||
| But I would always sneak in and try to like whatever. | ||
| So there's a dude in there and I'm not gonna say who he is but he's like probably one of the most powerful people on the planet. | ||
| He could buy like a thousand or a billion of these rehabs and like just... | ||
| And so the assignment is to draw your favorite food, something from your childhood using these acrylic paints. | ||
| But on the next level is the glitter paints, right? | ||
| And I see this guy holding his hand and I go by the art bar and I'm looking in the window like jealous. | ||
| I want to be in there. | ||
| And I go, one of the most richest, powerful men in the planet is asking permission right now if he can use the glitter paint. | ||
| And I'm like... | ||
| And I go, that's it. | ||
| Because my kids don't ask for permission, right? | ||
| My kid will go into my closet and put on every single piece of clothes and come back and I'm like... | ||
| I'm going to do that. | ||
| When's the last time I did that? | ||
| Eight, seven years old? | ||
| And I go and I put on all my underwear. | ||
| And then I roll down the stairs and I go, permission granted. | ||
| People really don't... | ||
| They forgot how to have fun. | ||
| They forgot how to be goofy. | ||
| But if you're some CEO guy, maybe he wants that. | ||
| He wants to ask permission for things. | ||
| The same way some of those guys want to get... | ||
| Kicked in the balls by a dominatrix. | ||
| Some of those guys, it's like you were saying you had so much pussy, you almost wanted to suck a dick. | ||
| Some of those guys have so much power, they want someone to yell at them and humiliate them. | ||
| They've become tyrants. | ||
| They've become kings. | ||
| They've become a master of their domain, and it feels imbalanced to them, probably. | ||
| And that's probably why they seek out getting humiliated. | ||
| You know Elon Musk? | ||
| I feel like we're similar in that way. | ||
| I can go work out at the worst 24 hour fitness and then also be in rooms with those people. | ||
| The rich and the poor are not that different mentally, I find. | ||
| Your mentality changes with the lack of fear of not having any money. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| And some people it doesn't. | ||
| Some people, they always think about how they used to be poor and they can never get over the anxiety of the possibility of going back to being poor. | ||
| So they just go on like a mad dash to having a fucking heart attack. | ||
| Right. | ||
| And other people settle in. | ||
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That was me. | |
| You seem settled in now though. | ||
| I think I'm pretty settled in too. | ||
| I'm settled in. | ||
| I think I have... | ||
| I gotta wrap this up, my brother. | ||
| Yeah, yeah, no worries. | ||
| It's almost 5 p.m. | ||
| So, acting done? | ||
| Yeah, I'm not interested. | ||
| And then YouTube channel? | ||
| Thumbs up or thumbs down? | ||
| Yeah, I like it. | ||
| Yeah, I want you to do whatever you want to do. | ||
| And if that's what you want to do, yeah, definitely thumbs up. | ||
| It'll be fun. | ||
| I'm sure it'll be chaos. | ||
| And then podcast. | ||
| And also like it'll grow and evolve too. | ||
| Like if you do a YouTube channel, you're a very analytical guy. | ||
| You'll look at it and decide, oh, now I want to try this. | ||
| Now I'll try that. | ||
| And then you have this platform now and you're developing the platform completely independently from other people's ideas. | ||
| You can do whatever the fuck you want. | ||
| I just don't want to get devoured by work, right? | ||
| You don't have to. | ||
| So YouTube channel and then podcast, the show show. | ||
| Stay the fuck away from acting. | ||
| And no more acting. | ||
| Yep, there it is. | ||
| All right. | ||
| Thank you, my brother. | ||
| It's always a pleasure to talk to you. | ||
| We are the hot... | ||
| Oh, yeah. | ||
| That's for you, bro. | ||
| Thank you. | ||
| Thank you, man. | ||
| Fuck yeah, man. | ||
| Fuck yeah. | ||
| Now the real podcast is going to start. |
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