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March 1, 2023 - The Joe Rogan Experience
02:34:57
Joe Rogan Experience #1948 - Tony Hinchcliffe & Brian Redban
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brian redban
11:13
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jamie vernon
08:27
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joe rogan
01:42:22
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tony hinchcliffe
23:31
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unidentified
The Joe Rogan Experience Train by day, Joe Rogan Podcast by night, all day Brian, you've got every kind of caffeinated beverage you know in the man in front of you What do you got?
brian redban
I got a smoothie and black rifle.
joe rogan
Two black rifles, and then you got a cooler.
unidentified
Oh, this is Liquid IV. Oh, look at you, you're trying to stay hydrated.
brian redban
I got Factor, I got Liquid IV, I got all the sponsors.
joe rogan
You've remained remarkably healthy.
Out of all the people I was worried about during COVID, it was you.
I was worried about you and Tim Dillon.
You were my number one and number two.
But you fucking coasted through it like it was nothing.
brian redban
Yeah, it's weird.
My doctor said I have this thing where my metabolism is too strong and it's like fucking my gums up right now.
joe rogan
Your metabolism is fucking your gums up?
What kind of doctor are you going to?
A chiropractor?
brian redban
You going to a witch doctor?
No.
I've actually been to like two dentists now because I'm dealing with it right now.
My gums are like gum disease type shit.
joe rogan
Receding gums?
brian redban
Yeah.
So I have to get a deep clean.
But they let me use nitrous for the first time at a doctor.
I've never done that.
Have you done nitrous at a doctor?
tony hinchcliffe
It's fun.
brian redban
Really?
tony hinchcliffe
Yeah.
joe rogan
How silly did you get?
You haven't done it yet?
brian redban
I haven't done it yet.
joe rogan
Have you done it?
tony hinchcliffe
Yeah.
And I ended up like being mean to the dentist.
Like I was like making jokes that weren't funny.
Like nobody was laughing.
joe rogan
Oh no.
tony hinchcliffe
Yeah.
brian redban
That's what I'm scared of.
Because you know, in college you do it and you fall out a window, you start like fishing around and shit.
How are you gonna do that at a dentist when they're trying to be precise with your teeth?
joe rogan
That's a good point, right?
Like you gotta take a wild chance that the person isn't out of their fucking mind if you're gonna dose them up with nitrous.
I don't know what it feels like.
Is that the same thing of whippets?
Oh, we can find out real quick.
brian redban
It is.
It's medical grade.
joe rogan
We have them here.
Yeah, Ari did Whippets on the show.
We're like, what are you doing?
I was like, is this even legal?
brian redban
No.
joe rogan
He bought them somewhere.
Like, you could buy Whippets?
brian redban
You could buy it for those machines for the whipped cream.
jamie vernon
For whipped cream.
Yeah, it's just whipped cream.
joe rogan
That's what they call it?
brian redban
Yeah.
joe rogan
They call them Whippets?
unidentified
Yeah.
joe rogan
But I thought for whipped cream you get like a large one.
Well, that was just when I worked in a restaurant.
brian redban
Well, the container's large, but then you unscrew the top, and it's just a little nitrous thing.
joe rogan
Dude, I worked at a Newport Creamery in Massachusetts, and everybody did Whippets.
I'm pretty sure I did it once.
I must have done it once.
I was like 15, 15, 16, I think I worked there.
And people would just go back there and get blasted off of Whippets.
unidentified
Damn.
tony hinchcliffe
How did Ari react to it?
joe rogan
He just started laughing, like couldn't stop laughing, and threw his head back.
He's like, whoa, whoa, whoa.
That's what he said it was like.
It's like, whoa, whoa, whoa.
Norman hated it.
Norman did it.
He's like, fuck this.
This is terrible.
I feel awful.
I feel like I died.
I don't like it at all.
He was not interested.
Seeing Norman, I was like, I'm not doing it.
If he's reacting like that.
tony hinchcliffe
Not my thing.
joe rogan
And then we looked up all the possible things that could happen, and we're like, oh, there's a lot.
A lot of things that could go wrong.
I'm supposed to do that.
brian redban
It fries your brain cells, too.
joe rogan
Well, they said that's a thing with amyl nitrate.
You know, amyl nitrate is poppers.
And apparently it's big in the gay community with gay dudes who love to party.
I don't know if it's still, but at one point in time...
tony hinchcliffe
It is.
We love it.
joe rogan
They would take amyl nitrate and somehow or another it helped them relax during sex.
Something, I don't remember what the, but apparently amyl nitrate's really bad for you, like destroys your immune system, destroys you, like it's really bad, gives you brain damage.
You know, it doesn't seem like, you know, there's some drugs that people will defend, you know, they'll talk about the beauty of heroin.
Like, there's no one out there defending amyl nitrate.
No one's like, it's the shit.
Like, it's changed my life.
Started doing amyl, got my fucking garage cleaned.
At least people who do speed, they get things done.
You know, like, people who do speed, they don't want to fucking organize the garage, putting shelves up and stuff, cleaning everything.
brian redban
I need that.
joe rogan
Yeah, that's an Adderall thing, apparently.
People do Adderall and they start cleaning shit and organizing.
tony hinchcliffe
Not my thing.
joe rogan
Yeah.
Have you fucked with Adderall at all?
brian redban
A couple times.
joe rogan
What about you?
tony hinchcliffe
No.
They had me on Ritalin when I was a kid.
joe rogan
Oh, that figures everything out.
tony hinchcliffe
All the time.
Every day.
brian redban
Ritalin's not upper, right?
Or downer, I mean.
joe rogan
I think it's an upper.
tony hinchcliffe
Well, it's an upper, but supposedly back then they said that if you had ADD, it brings you down.
Like, it's supposed to mellow you out, but...
I hated it.
joe rogan
You know who talked about that is Henry Rollins.
Talked about it when he was a kid.
They put him on that.
He was like five years old.
He had him on it.
He was just all the time like fucking...
And the way he describes it, it's like, oh, when you see Henry, like, he's so intense.
Like, everything about him is intense.
Even the things he enjoys.
Like, when he talks about, like, listening to records, he's so intense.
It's like they just cranked his fucking brain up to ten.
When he was a little kid.
Which is wild, because you can kind of...
I mean, it's not a thing to do.
I'm not saying you should do it.
But what I'm saying is, you can manipulate a child's mind with those things, in a way.
Like, you have to be...
You're changing their reality, right?
You're changing the way they experience things.
That's got to change their view of life overall, in general.
Like, if your view of life over, like, you know how stoners are, some stoners, it's abusive.
They're abusive.
They're so high all the time that they're just, like, not making sense.
They, like, never make any sense.
Like, if you're doing that all the time, when you're, like, 14, 15, 16, which some kids do, that shit's terrible.
Terrible for you.
It doesn't prepare you for life at all.
Like, being a fucking full-timer when you're like 14, like, whoa.
Like, dude, regular reality is hard enough.
You're trying to figure out what the fuck is life?
What is a grown-up?
You know, what is a job?
Like, when does this start?
When does this, I need to get a job thing start?
Do you remember that feeling?
Like, the high school feeling?
Like, when do I need to be able to take care of myself?
Terrifying.
Terrifying feeling.
And nobody prepares you for it.
Nobody prepares you for this idea that you're gonna have to take care of yourself like what?
unidentified
What?
joe rogan
I have to pay my own bills?
I have to get a job?
What do I do?
I don't know what to do!
Everybody's like gotta go to college.
I guess I gotta go to college.
I don't want to be a fucking loser.
I gotta go to college.
Remember those days?
I can remember days like when I would work like three different kind of jobs.
I'd like deliver newspapers, drive limos, and I would do, you know, occasionally I'd do construction if something came up and I could get away with doing it during the day, but I was always tired.
I hated those jobs.
But I was like, fuck, what do I do?
Like, I was trying to figure out what to do.
unidentified
And if stand-up, if I didn't find stand-up, oh my god, I've been so fucked.
joe rogan
I would have been so fucked.
I've been so fucked because my brain was not wired for jobs.
You know, some people can do it.
Some people are awesome at it.
Some people, they lock into a career and they're very happy.
Whatever it was, with my childhood, man, my childhood was just too chaotic.
I did not have any desire to be in any sort of order where I'm locked in.
I was a latchkey kid.
My parents just kind of let me out of the house.
Go, have fun.
Kids like that have zero desire for order.
Like, you're out there wilding with these other fucking ten-year-olds out in the street lighting buildings on fire accidentally and finding fireworks.
We did wild shit when we were kids.
tony hinchcliffe
Totally.
joe rogan
That does not prepare you for an office job.
That prepares you for sitting in class going, fuck, I gotta get out of here.
unidentified
Mm-hmm.
joe rogan
Dude, my kid told me on TikTok, she found this thing that was explaining how her educational system was developed.
And I was like, what?
I go, you got this on TikTok?
I go, what did you find out?
And she was like, it was developed to turn people who are like these rural people into factory workers.
They were literally gearing education when they started public education to prepare these wild folk and put them in factories.
If you think about the kind of people that were alive, that were living in rural Columbus, Ohio, outside of Columbus, where you guys are from, in the 1900s.
What were those people like?
The farm people?
Like the people that were basically just like the pioneers.
They just stopped and they developed a small town.
And in like 1903, if you're in that fucking town, and they want to take one of those people and turn them into an office worker?
Like, good luck.
tony hinchcliffe
Youngstown was the number one steel producing city in the world through the like 30s 40s 50s and then one Monday it all closed so like everything that even it was built around was fucked completely like everything that their work ethic everything was just always go to high school and then you work in the steel mill your dad worked in the steel mill his dad How old were you when this was going down?
It was before I was born, but the dilapidation that it left left this.
Well, there was no, like, you can go chase your dreams.
You can move to LA or New York.
Like, that's all stuff that you had to, like, find out on your own.
Nobody, no teacher was like, you could do anything.
It was, it was...
joe rogan
Bleak.
tony hinchcliffe
Yeah.
joe rogan
Isn't that horrible?
It's such a bad vibe.
It's such a bad vibe for a child to grow up in that kind of a shattered dream vibe like a Detroit, Michigan after the factories got pulled out of there.
Like that Flint, Michigan documentary that Michael Moore did, Roger and Me, is amazing.
It's amazing.
To me, that's his best work.
Because that was a young Roger who was trying to figure out what the fuck was going on to this place where he was from.
And so it was so real.
And he was so young in it.
It was really like, what year was Roger in me?
brian redban
89?
jamie vernon
92?
joe rogan
93. Pull it up, Jamie.
jamie vernon
89. It's 89. As you're talking about it, though, I looked up something.
I typed in, what did I say?
Public education developed for factory workers.
People have been asking this question for a few years.
Hidden behind a Washington Post thing, it says, no, they are not modeled after factories.
Here's why.
Apparently, it came from a 2009 book called Weapons and Mass Instruction, and then it was echoed by someone in the New York Times.
joe rogan
Oh, okay.
So it's a false narrative?
A little bit.
So how was it designed?
Was it designed – it seemed like it was designed for structure and to get people to pay attention to rules.
jamie vernon
This article says that – that article is saying that they modeled the system after Prussia's – the United States adopted Prussia's school system, but that then goes and says that Prussia was not a highly industrialized – Country or interesting during that time period.
So the the accuracy of it seems a little off is kind of what I'm getting at.
joe rogan
Interesting.
So I wonder so so he hits it.
What about sorry?
It says here is in 2012 the American education model was actually copied from the 18th century Prussian model designed to create docile subjects and factory workers.
For what it's worth, Prussia was not highly industrialized when Frederick the Great formalized his education system in the late 1700s.
Very few places in the world were back then.
Training future factory workers, docile or not, was not really the point.
Nevertheless, industrialization is often touted as both the model and the rationale for public education system past and present, and by extension, it's part of a narrative that now contends that schools are no longer equipped to address the needs of a post-industrial world.
jamie vernon
I looked it up because I've seen some other people, and I've started doing it too.
When I see something crazy on TikTok that seems like a wild fact, I'm like, holy shit.
joe rogan
You gotta look it up.
brian redban
That's the TikTok filter.
joe rogan
Yeah, the TikTok thing.
There's no one who's checking on TikTok.
brian redban
TikTok's fun, but man, have you ever watched that guy where it's this guy with a beard and he's a little bit bigger.
He's like, this guy, check this video out.
We need to find this person.
He's pretty famous.
joe rogan
No, I haven't seen him.
brian redban
But he shows Karens or racist people like a clip.
And they hunt them down faster than any police like there was a guy in LA the Tesla guy who was running out Hitting people with their cars with baseball bats and they call them the text Tesla terrorists and they captured that guy faster than the police just from That's amazing What was this guy's motivation for attacking people with Teslas?
He's attacked, I think it was like 10 people over the last three years.
Women, everyone.
There's videos of him running out of the Tesla, going out of control.
joe rogan
So he's in a Tesla.
brian redban
Yeah.
joe rogan
So he's in a Tesla and then he's attacking people.
brian redban
Yes.
joe rogan
It's not like he's attacking people only in Teslas.
unidentified
I got screwed up.
brian redban
No, no, no.
He was in a Tesla.
They call him a Tesla terrorist.
joe rogan
So he just pulls over and starts beating on people?
brian redban
Beating on people.
joe rogan
Random people.
brian redban
Random people.
He's all amped up.
jamie vernon
Jesus Christ.
brian redban
You could tell the guy's just juiced.
joe rogan
He's on Adderall, bro.
jamie vernon
The other article said he was selling steroids.
joe rogan
No, selling steroids.
So he's getting roided up and beating people with bats randomly.
unidentified
Wow.
joe rogan
Holy fuck, man.
jamie vernon
So he's selling steroids.
joe rogan
Tested, targeted at least six motorists, is now selling steroids, or was selling steroids.
What the fuck?
I can't read.
Charges were filed Tuesday against a man caught on video attacking drivers in Los Angeles with a metal pole.
Prosecutors also revealed that Nathaniel Rademach had a previous road rage arrest in which steroids were allegedly found in his car.
Rademach, 36, pleaded not guilty Tuesday to four counts of assault by means of force to produce great bodily injury, four counts of criminal threats, and one felony count of vandalism.
Holy shit, dude.
brian redban
This video right here, he just comes out.
joe rogan
Oh my god.
brian redban
If you haven't seen the video, you should watch.
joe rogan
I don't even want to see it, man.
Just fucking crazy people.
Goddamn.
tony hinchcliffe
You ever see cart narcs?
joe rogan
What's that?
tony hinchcliffe
Where the people don't put their cart back at the grocery store?
joe rogan
That's hilarious.
tony hinchcliffe
I found one the other day.
They literally did it to Perry from Windy City Heat.
Have you ever seen that?
joe rogan
No, but it makes sense.
tony hinchcliffe
It's unbelievable that Perry literally didn't put his cart away.
joe rogan
And then he's driving with a mask on, too.
tony hinchcliffe
And he gets so mad.
So it literally brings Perry.
And the guy doesn't even know it's Perry.
So Perry's being Perry.
What are you doing?
unidentified
Would you like a magnet instead?
Now, sir.
Get your fucking shirt off my fucking car!
jamie vernon
It goes on for a long time.
unidentified
It's so funny.
joe rogan
Oh, my God.
unidentified
He's wearing a Perry Caravello Live shirt.
joe rogan
But very few people know what that is.
unidentified
Look, sir.
tony hinchcliffe
But the ones that do, it's unbelievable.
joe rogan
It's hilarious that he narked on himself wearing his own shirt.
tony hinchcliffe
Yeah.
joe rogan
Essentially, he narked on himself.
He's wearing a mask.
He gets away free.
Without that, he gets away free.
tony hinchcliffe
Yeah.
He loses his mind.
In the end, he leaves a voicemail.
joe rogan
Oh, no!
tony hinchcliffe
Because there's a number on the cart nark thing.
joe rogan
What is your thought?
I never watched Windy City Heat.
I always thought, yeah, I was like, it's too mean.
Too mean to do that to a guy.
tony hinchcliffe
No, he wanted that.
That's what he wanted.
joe rogan
I know, but he's an insane person.
tony hinchcliffe
Yeah.
joe rogan
Do you think you could do that today?
Do you think the same people involved?
Do you think Jimmy Kimmel could be involved in something like that?
tony hinchcliffe
Hell no.
None of them would be involved.
Not Carson Daly.
joe rogan
Isn't that crazy?
tony hinchcliffe
Not any of them.
joe rogan
Isn't that crazy?
Because that's what kind of got him to the dance.
That kind of comedy, man show comedy for Kimmel.
tony hinchcliffe
Yeah.
joe rogan
It's funny that they...
They could never do that.
tony hinchcliffe
Bobcat wouldn't do it?
joe rogan
Bobcat directed it.
Bobcat might still do it.
Bobcat's crazy.
Bobcat is this ongoing feud with Seinfeld.
It's the strangest thing.
And I don't understand why.
I mean, I don't know either.
I know Bobcat much better than I know Seinfeld.
I don't know Seinfeld at all.
tony hinchcliffe
What's the beef?
joe rogan
I don't think I've ever met him.
Nope.
I don't think I've ever met him.
Maybe I did like way, way, way back in the day.
I went to see him live when I was 19. I don't know what their beef is.
They have some sort of a beef.
And so they talk shit to each other all the time.
brian redban
That's hilarious.
tony hinchcliffe
I had to follow Seinfeld at the Comedy Store.
Toughest follow I ever had in my entire life.
joe rogan
Oh, I'm sure, dude.
tony hinchcliffe
Because all he did was talk about how Mitzi, the owner...
joe rogan
Oh, that's right!
tony hinchcliffe
Told him he wasn't funny the last time he was there.
That's right.
joe rogan
You were there for that set.
tony hinchcliffe
Crushing.
He buried me with a shovel.
Nothing like it ever.
Because he's telling them the whole story.
So even if the people didn't know how big of a deal it was that Seinfeld was in the OR, the comedy store, he told them.
This lady told me I wasn't funny.
Wonder how she's doing now.
All this stuff.
And she's like, everyone knows she's sick and old and...
I bought a house above her house so that she could see me driving a different car all the time.
I'd beep as I went by.
I'm still not funny!
I mean, he's destroying.
Destroying.
It was like evil, cool fucking Seinfeld.
joe rogan
That's hilarious.
Evil, cool Seinfeld.
tony hinchcliffe
I was buried with a shovel.
Everybody, 70% of the people left the room.
The other 30% were literally texting their family.
I just saw Seinfeld make his return to the comedy store that he hasn't been here in 35 years.
He just told the whole story.
I'm performing.
I remember a fruit fly.
The only laugh I got the set was from a door guy or whatever because a fruit fly went in front of me real slow in the lights and it was all lit up.
I go, even the fruit fly is getting out of here.
joe rogan
But that is the craziness of Mitzi Shore.
How could she say no to Jerry Seinfeld?
Even when he went there, he was already a solid comic.
tony hinchcliffe
Yeah.
And that's the thing that they say is that when you used to tell Mitzi, like, oh, this guy's a big deal from New York, that she'd be like, well, I'll see for myself.
joe rogan
Dude, the guy who used to book the store told me it's kind of better if you start off at the store.
Like, Mitzi knows you're already a headliner, so she's going to make you a non-paid regular.
So I became a non-paid regular.
I couldn't just become a paid regular.
I had to do time as a non-paid, which you go on, like, super late at night.
She didn't give a fuck about your credits.
Your credits almost hurt you.
Like, if you came with credits, they're like, oh, he already thinks he knows everything.
unidentified
Right.
tony hinchcliffe
And that's the vibe.
And it makes you wonder, like, is part of her brilliant, was part of her brilliant madness knowing that the way to bring out the most in Seinfeld was to do that, perhaps.
Was to tell him he wasn't funny.
joe rogan
No, no, no, no, no, no, no.
She was very outspoken about it to my face, Seinfeld said.
It's funny because she said to me, she said, You know, you're the kind of person that needs someone to step on you, and I'm going to be that person.
I have to admit, she was right.
I needed that person.
She was that person, and it really fueled me.
Wow, you were right.
That's crazy.
That is crazy.
I thought you were just joking around.
tony hinchcliffe
Did you know that?
No, I've never seen that.
joe rogan
That's so wild that you guessed that.
That she would actually say that.
And that she said it to him back then.
So he must have already been killing it back then.
Like what year was this?
1980. So I think I saw him in It must have been like 86 or 87. I saw him in Boston at the Paradise Theater, which was like the big theater that was connected to Stitch's Comedy Club.
So Stitch's was like a little tiny, tight little box.
It was a great, great room.
And next door was like the bigger show where like the big headliners would come.
And I took my girlfriend to see Seinfeld.
And I wasn't even old enough to drink yet.
And I was like, this is wild.
That's Jerry Seinfeld.
unidentified
Wow.
joe rogan
And that's where I got the idea of asking questions to the audience.
Like letting the audience just yell out questions.
Because he did that.
And I saw him do that.
I'm like, oh, this is probably how he writes.
Because at that time I was already thinking about doing stand-up.
But I was like, oh, he's thinking this is how he writes like he comes up with ideas by people like throw a thing at him and off the cuff because he's already murdering for an hour.
It was really impressive.
Super clean, but like perfect jokes.
There were perfect jokes.
There were just everything's like the setup, the punchline, the fucking way he handled himself on stage.
I was like, wow.
Those guys are so intimidating when you're starting out.
You really need to go to an open mic night and watch people eat shit.
You fucking need that.
You need that when you're starting out.
I think you need that with everything.
If you think you're going to play basketball and you go to the NBA for the first time, you're like, what the fuck?
I can't move like that.
I think that's the thing with everything.
tony hinchcliffe
People sucking helps in the beginning.
joe rogan
People sucking helps.
tony hinchcliffe
I remember that first night.
Ever in a comedy club that I ever signed up for an open mic was at the comedy store and I got number 12 on the lineup.
And I'm like, man, here we go.
And they weren't as good as I thought they were going to be.
And I'm like, whoa, I think I have a chance.
This is crazy.
joe rogan
Richard Jennings said that very thing.
Richard Jennings said that bad comedians inspire comedians to try.
tony hinchcliffe
Yeah.
joe rogan
I don't remember exactly how he phrased it, but it was something to that extent.
He was so right.
I remember thinking that at the time.
If it wasn't for watching open micers, I would probably chicken it out.
But you watch the open micers and you're like, oh, they're just clumsy like me.
Right.
Okay, this is a thing you get good at.
tony hinchcliffe
Yeah.
joe rogan
Oh, okay.
And then it became, like, I thought you just were funny or you weren't funny.
You know, I'm like, I'm kind of funny sometimes to my friends.
Like, how do I be funny to these people?
But then you go to an open mic night and you realize, oh, this is like a thing that everyone's working on to get better.
Like, what the fuck is this thing?
Like, this weird mass hypnosis, this weird idea game you're playing with people.
tony hinchcliffe
The fact that you could do it for free always boggled my mind.
Like, I was always, all through high school, I'm like, how am I going to pay for college?
Because I'm not getting a scholarship with my GPA. So, once I was out, I was literally paying for college and owed these loans.
Luckily, I dropped out fast, so I didn't get too deep in the hole.
But anyway, by the time I realized, like, wait, you could just do these open mics, it's like free college.
unidentified
This is...
tony hinchcliffe
Except it's for a specific career.
joe rogan
And you get to watch, like, you'll get to watch Dave Chappelle pop in.
tony hinchcliffe
Yeah.
joe rogan
You'll get to watch, you know, Damon Wayans will show up.
You get to watch, you know, all these fucking comics from other states that are in town.
They want to do a spot at the store.
I mean, that's the first place I saw Schultz.
That's the first place I saw Tim Dillon.
I mean, all those guys who came from New York, they all want to do the store.
So if you're working there, man, and you're doing open mics, and then you get a fucking doorman job, holy shit!
You had a free education!
You were there every day watching these killers work on their sets that they were going to do on Netflix.
You're seeing it all evolve because you're seeing them Tuesday, Wednesday, Thursday, Friday.
You're seeing all these multiple sets.
And so you get this just education of how it's pieced together that is unavailable to anybody who doesn't hang around the clubs.
tony hinchcliffe
Right.
100%.
joe rogan
It's the only way you can get it.
There's not like a school you can go to make you a better stand-up comic.
You can learn things in regular school and you can apply them to stand-up comedy, but the only way to do stand-up comedy and learn how to do it is you have to do it.
The fact that we have to do it in front of a crowd, you can't even practice it.
unidentified
There's nothing you can do by yourself.
tony hinchcliffe
And even on the road, those other clubs don't run like the store.
There's not 16 headliners in each room, you know what I mean?
So if you're lucky, you might be able to maybe work at a place where there's one headliner coming in.
Walking probably straight into the green room, doing the shows, and then probably leaving right afterwards.
joe rogan
Well, think about the show we did at the Vulcan.
Think about the show where you got Hans Kim, and then you got David Lucas, and then you got Mark Norman, and then you got Ari Shafir, then you got Shane Gillis, then you got you, then you got me.
These are crazy shows, man.
Crazy shows.
They were so fucking fun.
tony hinchcliffe
It's been ridiculous.
joe rogan
God damn it.
It's a murder fest, too, from start to go.
And you know what makes me the happiest?
Is watching the big pop that Ari gets.
tony hinchcliffe
Yeah.
joe rogan
When Ari goes on stage, he gets a giant pot.
People go nuts.
That special fucking pulled him out of the fire.
brian redban
That was a beautiful special.
joe rogan
It's a perfect special.
It's perfect.
The fact that he did it in front of candles and shit, and he had to relight all the candles.
tony hinchcliffe
And for him to do that with full-blown AIDS is just incredible.
It's unbelievable.
joe rogan
Full-blown.
Imagine if that was a real diagnosis.
You know, like, full-blown is such a street term for someone really being fucked up by AIDS. But if, like, well, Tony, you've got full-blown AIDS. If your doctor said that to you, like, what a disrespectful doctor to use the term full-blown AIDS. Bro, you got full-blown AIDS. They'd be like, what kind of doctor did I get?
tony hinchcliffe
If he threw a bro at the front like that, that's even worse.
Like, bro.
joe rogan
Yeah, it's the same Dr. Redman was going to.
He diagnosed his gums.
tony hinchcliffe
My metabolism's so fast, Mike.
unidentified
Bro.
joe rogan
Full-blown AIDS. Here's the good news.
People don't really die of it anymore.
And they got all crazy treatments now.
They could actually reverse HIV. People have been cured of it now.
There are multiple people.
It's really wild.
brian redban
There's this medicine that's been really helping.
joe rogan
Yeah, I don't know what it is, but the thing about, like, they had already come up with protease inhibitors and all these things that prevented people from getting really sick.
Like, remember Jeff Scott had it forever.
A fifth person is likely cured of HIV, and another is in long-term remission.
One case involved a man with cancer underwent a specialized stem cell transplant.
The other involved a woman who received immune-boosting therapies as part of a clinical trial.
So this is different results from different studies.
So doing a couple of different methods.
tony hinchcliffe
And also likely cured is a little bit of a term, right?
Like imagine being that guy's boyfriend and he's like, good news, babe, I'm likely cured.
Let's go to no condom tonight.
joe rogan
They have another drug that you take now and it prevents you from getting HIV. It's like a blocker.
So it's like a go crazy drug.
unidentified
Yeah.
joe rogan
It's like for gay guys, you just gave them the fucking tutu, give them that green light.
If you give them a fucking pill that they could take and you definitely won't get AIDS, oh my god, they're going to try so hard to get AIDS. They're going to go hard.
tony hinchcliffe
I think about how those must be getting thrown around like parade candy on Santa Monica Boulevard.
unidentified
Yeah, I mean, what a miracle.
joe rogan
Science.
That's the good side of pharmaceutical drugs, right?
Everybody wants to talk about the bad side.
unidentified
Yeah, you can buttfuck and not get AIDS. Boner pills.
joe rogan
There's a lot of different things that came out of it.
Remember the fucking gas station pills, Fred Pan?
brian redban
I got burnt out.
I think it did damage.
joe rogan
The red pan was taking these fucking, who knows what bathtub they were mixed up in.
He would take these boner pills that he would buy at the gas station, and apparently they're insane.
And I think they had steroids in them, because one time you got a little bit of road rage.
brian redban
Yeah, and sometimes I felt like I was about to pass out, like I was tripping, like seeing trails and stuff.
Like, what's that?
I think it was like blood pressure.
joe rogan
Bro, it could be everything.
Everything and anything.
They just mixed them up and called it Rhino.
brian redban
Right.
joe rogan
Remember the names?
brian redban
Yep.
tony hinchcliffe
Black Rhino.
brian redban
It had a hologram of a rhinoceros.
unidentified
Yes!
brian redban
And I had, like, I collected the containers that they came in because they were, like, trading cards.
And I had, like, 30 of them, but when I moved...
When I moved to Texas, I was like, I have to throw this away.
What am I doing?
joe rogan
You should have saved them.
brian redban
I just took photos of them.
joe rogan
Oh, you should have saved them.
They were so stupid.
But it was like, what a genius idea.
Because you're only selling a couple pills, but you're selling it for like what a prescription you really should be.
brian redban
Right.
joe rogan
So you have this crazy markup.
And then on top of that, who the fuck, there's no one telling you.
There's no FDA involved in these transactions.
You're basically selling like vitamin B. Right.
You know, you can kind of just, you know, put those up for sale until they come after you.
And then they test them and find out there was all sorts of stuff in there.
Viagra and Cialis and steroids.
There was like different mixtures.
brian redban
When they got caught and they got in trouble, that's when they made a new LLC and that's what the Rhino 1, Rhino 2, Rhino 3 was.
No, like seriously.
unidentified
I know, they kept getting busted.
joe rogan
It was like an open secret.
I remember you were the detective of all this.
unidentified
Right.
joe rogan
It was hilarious.
There were steroids in them, too, and weren't there some of them had amphetamines?
brian redban
Yep, and that's John Jones, supposedly, that's how he got caught with steroids, but it ended up being a boner pill.
Remember back in the day?
John Jones or somebody.
joe rogan
Yeah, I think, John, there was something along those lines in that story.
I know that boner pills were involved, but I thought they were real boner pills.
I don't think he's just taking...
But the thing is, like, if you're getting them online, like, who fucking knows who's cooking these things up, bro?
Who knows he's making these things?
You're trusting your, I mean, anything that calls itself, like, Rhino 5. Like, Rhino 5. It's hilarious.
But it would make sense.
It sounds like a good mixture.
A little bit of steroids, a little bit of speed.
Cialis mixed with Viagra.
And sell it at a gas station!
Like, who's pumping gas needing to fuck?
Like, bro, I got to fuck!
I'm so horny from these fumes!
I need some boner pills.
I need to get going.
Have you guys seen the story of this person who worked for the White House?
They were in charge of something in the nuclear program.
It's a trans woman who's bald and has a beard and a mustache and is apparently a kleptomaniac.
It is the wildest story.
They caught her stealing a bag.
Is it he?
He has a mustache.
Isn't his name Sam?
I don't want to misgender.
I'm not sure if it's like non-binary.
Whatever.
tony hinchcliffe
But whatever it is, it's a thief.
joe rogan
It's a fucking thief!
It's a fucking terrible thief!
And then there was a woman who recently saw photos of this Sam person and she is like, I think she's a designer and she had very specific one-of-a-kind clothing That had gotten stolen.
tony hinchcliffe
Oh, Jesus.
brian redban
What the hell?
joe rogan
Yeah, it's playing with rules.
That's what that person's doing.
That person with the beard and the shaved head and lipstick and everything, they're playing with the rules.
tony hinchcliffe
I'll tell you, there's not enough boner pills in the world.
joe rogan
So this person, Sam, has been stealing women's luggage, like not just one, but they've caught multiple times this person, Sam, on video stealing luggage, and this woman who said from 2018, see if you can find that story, the story of this woman who was a designer from 2018. There it is.
So she had these very specific pieces that were missing, and then she sees this person wearing her shit, this person who works for the fucking White House.
brian redban
What's he do at the White House?
joe rogan
And she's like, no way.
Well, she's, he, they are fired.
They're fired from the White House.
brian redban
What did they do?
joe rogan
Something with the nuclear department.
Department of Energy.
tony hinchcliffe
Yeah.
joe rogan
Yeah.
Okay, former Department of Energy official Sam Brinton has been had been contained in her luggage.
She reported missing on March 9 2018 at the Ronald Reagan Washington National Airport and then you see this person so she's a Houston based Tanzanian fashion designer.
How do you say her name?
Asya Kamsen.
Asya Kamsen.
So so she saw her fucking clothing It's one of a kind clothing that she designed and she's seeing this person who stole it who works for the fucking White House.
Two separate airports and notice he appeared to be wearing her clothes in several photos.
Compson said she had packed the same clothes in a bag that vanished back in 2018. So this person's been doing this forever just stealing girls clothes from the airport and then trying the mom when they get home.
There's a thing called autogynephilia, and it's men who are turned on by dressing like women, but they're heterosexual, but they're turned on by dressing like women.
They like to dress and maybe even behave like a woman, and they get aroused by it.
Jordan Peterson talked about it.
He said it's always been a part of the psychology literature.
It's like a reoccurring thing.
That exists with men.
That there's been men forever who like to dress up like women and it gets them sexually aroused.
Now it's they're in the same category as people that identify with being a woman like if you're like a legitimate trans person And I know a lot of them.
I know a lot of them now.
It's more it's There's some that you go like if you ever meet Blair white You go, okay, that's a hundred percent correct.
Like whatever you're doing is correct.
Like she seems like a woman Wow, so this is the ladies clothes.
Oh, isn't that crazy?
unidentified
That is so crazy It's different.
joe rogan
There's a kink.
No, because it's folded over on the right side.
brian redban
See how it's folded over?
joe rogan
It's a different pattern.
brian redban
Yeah, in the middle.
joe rogan
Oh, you're right.
unidentified
Huh.
joe rogan
Are you sure it's not folded over?
Because you see the right side of his thing?
You see how it's the black?
You see the inner linings?
brian redban
Well, they wear it better.
joe rogan
Yeah, but you see, well, this Sam person has the narrowest fucking shoulders for what appears to be a biological male.
And if you, you know, he's like got it folded over so it'll fit on his shoulders.
Like, I think if he spread it out, it might like fall over one shoulder.
That doesn't seem like the same picture.
jamie vernon
Wow.
It's very similar.
tony hinchcliffe
Can you imagine?
joe rogan
Well, it could also just be she had multiple pieces, and you show photos of one of her pieces similar to the other one that he was wearing, but it makes sense.
I mean, if a person's been busted more than once stealing chicks clothes, but that's like a kink thing, man.
That's not a poor person that needs clothing.
That's not a person in desperation trying to feed their family.
That's a kink.
That person's kinky.
They like to steal women's clothes and then put them on.
Maybe they're also good at energy.
unidentified
Maybe.
joe rogan
Maybe.
But you can't hire them just because they like to dress like a woman.
tony hinchcliffe
Oh my goodness.
brian redban
Wow.
joe rogan
You see what I'm saying?
You can't do that.
Like, that's crazy.
And this is what you get when you go fishing for crazy.
tony hinchcliffe
Can you imagine?
joe rogan
You can't just hire someone because they like to dress like a woman.
Like, they have to actually not be crazy and not be stealing luggage and be good at their job.
brian redban
Good face.
Good face on it.
joe rogan
Yeah, beautiful face.
tony hinchcliffe
Yeah, unbelievably stunning.
Can you imagine that being your type?
Like, looking for that?
Like, I've always wanted a woman with a shaved head and a goatee with a lot of lipstick.
joe rogan
I want someone who I can fucking watch football with.
Let's go!
Fucking let's go!
It's just the whole thing is so odd.
tony hinchcliffe
Right, like...
Does that person really beat out the other people for that job?
Did they really go through the people's resumes?
joe rogan
It's like the bit I'm doing about the teacher from Washington State or from Vancouver that has the giant fake tits.
Oh yeah.
Somewhere in Canada.
brian redban
Yeah.
tony hinchcliffe
Did you see the picture of him in normal when he's not at work?
joe rogan
When he's not at work, he dresses like a regular guy.
He's running at Clinger.
tony hinchcliffe
Yeah.
joe rogan
From M.A.S.H. Clinger from M.A.S.H., remember?
unidentified
Mm-hmm.
joe rogan
Clinger dressed up like a woman.
That was his try to get out of Vietnam, and they said, fuck you, you're going to dress like a woman in Vietnam.
Oh, he's trying to get kicked out of the Army.
And the way he would try to get kicked out is try to dress like a woman.
tony hinchcliffe
Yeah.
joe rogan
And they just let him do it.
And then, you know, they made him dress like a man, but he, like, it never worked.
The point is, like, same with this person.
Like, that's what they're doing.
They're pulling a clinger.
tony hinchcliffe
Yeah.
My favorite episode of South Park of all time, Lemmy Winks, is when Mr. Garrison finds out that you can get a lot of money if you get fired for doing gay stuff.
So he keeps trying to outdo himself and be gayer and gayer and the people keep talking about how brave he is and then finally brings in Mr. Slave and he shoves a gerbil up Mr. Slave's ass and the whole episode turns into this adventure of the gerbil because the rectum closed.
The gerbil has to make his way all the way through the mouth.
joe rogan
Oh my god.
I saw that.
tony hinchcliffe
Dude, this came out when I was a senior in high school and just started smoking marijuana.
Like I just started smoking weed and two weeks later this episode came out.
unidentified
And I... Oh my god, I forgot how good this episode is.
tony hinchcliffe
...was dead.
The music is crazy.
There's fucking songs.
brian redban
Did you see the live South Park concert?
They redid this live.
tony hinchcliffe
Oh, wow.
joe rogan
I forgot how funny that episode was.
They have so many bangers, dude.
So many bangers over the years.
There's not another show like it.
And the fact that it's still going strong.
Still going strong.
You can't do it anywhere else.
Even Comedy Central, if you try to bring a show like that to Comedy Central, they'd be like, no fucking way.
But with South Park, go ahead.
It is the 800-pound gorilla of cable TV. It's like the one thing that no one can fuck with.
They go so hard.
They go so hard.
tony hinchcliffe
I saw a video of him using his kid to do the Canadian impressions.
The Megan and...
Yeah.
Oh yeah, Ike.
He uses his own little kid and he was like whispering in her ear like what to say.
So like he has her cussing and stuff and he's like cracking up while holding it.
This is amazing.
Don't kick your baby.
unidentified
Good job!
Let's try one more like that.
I love you too, big brother.
I love you, big brubber.
tony hinchcliffe
Big brubber.
joe rogan
That's cute.
That's adorable.
tony hinchcliffe
It's better when they're doing the cussing ones, though.
These ones are cute.
That's a lot.
joe rogan
That's awesome.
tony hinchcliffe
It's funny.
joe rogan
They're national treasures.
Those guys are national treasures.
They really are.
What they do just to advance comedy.
It's so awesome.
They let you be free to laugh at the most ridiculous shit.
It's like, that's important today.
It really is.
It's important today.
Like, goddamn, people are so crazy.
It's such a wild time where people are getting so upset about so many different things like there's a it's like a fever pitch out there Whether it's Ukraine and Russia or COVID or fucking the climate.
It's like whoo Like everybody's like right there all the time We need to chill the fuck out as a nation Yeah, right Yeah.
tony hinchcliffe
It's wild, man.
joe rogan
It is wild.
The wildest time I could ever remember.
Like, gearing up for this 2024 election?
I'm fucking terrified.
Like, what is that gonna be like?
What the fuck is that gonna be like?
tony hinchcliffe
DeSantis just got control over Disney.
Did you see that?
brian redban
Yeah.
joe rogan
How does that work?
tony hinchcliffe
I'm not exactly sure.
joe rogan
Did he just score a coup on Disney?
tony hinchcliffe
Yep.
jamie vernon
It's the land they own.
unidentified
What?
tony hinchcliffe
Yep.
joe rogan
What does that mean?
jamie vernon
I remember reading in this a few months ago when it first started happening.
It has to do with the water rights and stuff because it goes through that county.
They portioned off that section where Disney World is and made it separate from Orange County.
tony hinchcliffe
Well, they gave them crazy, crazy, crazy tax breaks back in the day to draw tourism in.
So now he can charge them because they're supposedly woke and, you know, anti-DeSantis.
So he's like, screw it.
Now you guys can pay your fair share.
joe rogan
It's so weird how so many people that are involved in show business go that route.
So many people.
It's like they feel compelled to You know?
Like, people that wouldn't have done it five or six years ago wouldn't have gone along with it or going along with it now.
tony hinchcliffe
Right.
They have to play the game.
joe rogan
It's weird.
It's weird to watch.
Because I don't think it's representative of most people's sensibilities.
I think it's a very small group of very pushy people.
There's enough of them because there's a lot of people.
There's a lot of us.
300 and fucking whatever million.
You're going to get enough that are really into it and really noisy.
But the way the regular people think, the people of the world that don't have to pretend...
That they agree with something or disagree with something.
Most people are very confused by what's going on.
Most regular people are very frustrated and confused by someone like that who's working for the White House.
Like, how?
How did that person get in there?
Did that person get in there just because they dressed like that?
Because I think they did.
I think they did.
I think that's how goofy they are.
Did you see the White House press secretary lady the other day?
She was touting all the different Like minorities and all the different people of you know all the different women how many women work for the White House now a record number of people in the LBGTQ community work in the White House like so like all these things that Okay How are they doing?
How's this working?
This doesn't seem like it's working that well.
We don't care.
That's not what most people care about.
And if you're lesbian and you're great at your job, awesome.
If you're gay and you're great at your job, awesome.
unidentified
But that shouldn't be all we're hearing about.
joe rogan
Shouldn't be all we're hearing about is your identity, the identity politics thing, like as if somehow or another doing that is great for everybody.
Do you think about that when you look for anything good?
Do you think about like, well, I hope the staffing there is very diverse.
Whoever the fuck is there is the best at whatever the fuck they do.
That's what you're thinking about.
tony hinchcliffe
Right.
Is that what they would want their doctor to walk in looking like?
joe rogan
Exactly.
I saw there was an internet meme about that.
What do you say when your house is on fire?
Are you hoping the firefighting team is diverse that are coming to save you?
There's been a few of these.
But they're like, yeah, that's not what you want.
You want diversity because you want people to all have an opportunity to do things.
You want it.
But you don't want to force it.
Like you can't put people in a position that shouldn't be in the position just because of the color of their skin or where they were born.
That's crazy.
And if there's like a real problem With people of one group or another group not getting the opportunities, then we should address that because that's the real problem.
Everybody's at each other's throats for the wrong things when the real things are you have these massive communities of disenfranchised people like Youngstown, like where you grew up, like Detroit, like Baltimore.
There's places like that all over the country.
And we just sent how many billions of dollars to Ukraine?
Did we always have that money laying around?
tony hinchcliffe
It's crazy.
joe rogan
Okay, but whether or not you agree that we should support Ukraine or not, I don't understand it.
It scares the shit out of me.
But if you had all that money laying around, do you know how many things you could have fixed?
The real problem is people not getting the same situation to grow up in.
Not getting a situation that's not filled with violence and drugs and gangs and chaos and shit.
But no one's trying to fix that.
If you want to fix the way people think about each other, if everybody had a decent chance, pretty much everybody had a decent chance, Like the whole country, you'd have way less problems!
You got places where people are fucked from the jump, and no one's doing anything to stop that.
No one's doing anything to try to help.
That's the real problem in this country.
It's not, like, most people don't give a fuck who you are.
They just like you to be good at what you do, and they like you to be fun to be around.
We all find each other's groove.
Like, oh, this is Mike.
He's a fucking weirdo, but he's cool about this.
And we all find our groove with each other.
How many comics do we know that are gag?
Nobody gives a shit.
How many comics do we know that are of every ethnicity, every race?
When you're hanging around with comics, it's just who's funny.
It's just who's good, who's cool to hang with.
Nobody gives a fuck about that.
That should be the whole world.
That should be the whole world.
I don't know if you get there by forcing people to get hired because they're a certain race, or a certain gender, or a certain anything.
You've got to get to the point where all these people have the same sort of crack at it, so then it just becomes a meritocracy, like a real meritocracy.
Because that's the argument against it.
It's like it's not a meritocracy if people experience racism or sexism or if people grow up disenfranchised and they grow up in bad areas.
They deserve a little bit of an extra help and maybe they should be hired first.
That's the thought process behind it, but I think that encourages someone who's not as good to succeed.
And I don't think that's good for anybody.
I think the best people should succeed.
We just have to figure out how to make that fair.
But the best people should succeed in everything.
That's the way we get better at stuff.
That's it.
tony hinchcliffe
The NFL, I'm sure you probably know about this, but they have a very, very interesting thing that they're doing where you literally get better, what is it, draft picks or something based on how many black coaches you have.
So you can literally...
Reconstruct your team.
You can build it stronger.
Is it draft picks?
joe rogan
And so you get more draft picks?
tony hinchcliffe
A bigger salary cap or something?
It's wild.
joe rogan
The salary cap is wild.
Because if there wasn't a salary cap, the Saudis would just come in.
And then we'd go, we have an idea.
Everybody, a billion dollars.
Just buy up.
I think those guys have more money than we could possibly comprehend.
tony hinchcliffe
They're doing it with golf.
joe rogan
It seems to be working.
tony hinchcliffe
Yep.
joe rogan
Is it?
No?
Jamie?
Shakey-shakey?
Tell me, Jamie.
jamie vernon
What's the definition of working, I guess?
joe rogan
Are they having successful events?
tony hinchcliffe
They're just starting.
jamie vernon
That's the definition of a successful event.
joe rogan
Oh, now we're cutting hairs.
I don't know golf, so you tell me.
What's a successful event?
jamie vernon
They just had their first event of the year, and the response online is people aren't that into watching it.
It was on the CW, I think, in the United States, so it's a little tough to find that in the first place.
I don't get it.
Interesting.
It's aired a way different way than they aired PGA Golf.
It's aired to everybody.
You see all the shots at the same time.
Everyone's playing at once, which is way different, especially if you've watched the Full Swing show that just started on Netflix.
They're explaining golf to people who don't really know it that well.
There is a lot of money in there, though.
That's for sure.
So that's successful for those people.
joe rogan
That's interesting.
So Professional Poole is encountering a little bit of a renaissance.
It's very interesting.
There's a few companies that are putting on these events, like Predators putting on these events, and Matchroom Poole, and they're streaming them live online.
And it's becoming successful again.
Poole, because they're streaming them online, people are into it again.
It's very interesting.
And they're doing the World Championships this weekend from the Rio.
tony hinchcliffe
Nice.
unidentified
I'm going to try to stop in on Friday and check it out.
tony hinchcliffe
Did you see the guy in East Palestine that talks like Mickey Mouse now?
joe rogan
Yeah, I did.
I was just swallowing a true brain.
brian redban
What's that?
joe rogan
It's a nootropic.
You want to try it?
brian redban
Yeah.
joe rogan
Dude was on my podcast once with a doctor and he came up with this stuff.
tony hinchcliffe
Really?
brian redban
Is it orange flavored?
joe rogan
I think he was a doctor.
Was he a doctor?
I don't want to give anybody extra titles.
You want to try one?
Want to get smarter?
tony hinchcliffe
No, no, no.
joe rogan
I don't want to.
Stay where you're at?
tony hinchcliffe
Yeah.
joe rogan
Doesn't make you smarter.
Helps your memory a little bit.
It's good for verbal memory.
Sometimes the Mary Jane fucks with the mind.
brian redban
Ooh, that's delicious.
joe rogan
It's good, right?
It's nice, a little liquid, a little shot.
unidentified
I like it.
brian redban
It's like a snow cone.
jamie vernon
With the voice thing, wouldn't there be multiple videos of multiple people with that?
joe rogan
It could be his own reaction to it.
He got a very high dose.
It could be there's more people.
They're not talking about it.
jamie vernon
It says there's more people.
joe rogan
More people?
jamie vernon
That's what this article says.
They're going to go check door to door.
tony hinchcliffe
Oh, they're sending the CDC in.
joe rogan
Bro, this is very scary stuff.
unidentified
Yeah.
joe rogan
Very scary stuff.
tony hinchcliffe
Youngstown's 20 minutes from there.
And they just call it East Palestine.
They don't say it's 45 minutes away from Pittsburgh or 45 minutes away from Cleveland.
They just call it East Palestine.
joe rogan
So, it's getting into Youngstown, too.
tony hinchcliffe
Oh, yeah.
joe rogan
It's getting into everywhere, right?
jamie vernon
Everywhere.
Pittsburgh's really close.
Columbus is not far away.
joe rogan
Dude, that's so scary.
Did you see the dead deer that they've been finding?
This dude took video.
He was down by the river or this creek or whatever it is, and it's just fucking completely polluted.
You know, you throw rocks in it.
You see big oil slicks and bowl up.
And he found three dead deer, like really close to each other.
jamie vernon
That's where it is on the map.
joe rogan
There's East Palestine.
Youngstown's right there, dude.
Oh my god, Pittsburgh's right there.
brian redban
Are those videos of it raining in Ohio where it was like foam?
Is that fake?
jamie vernon
I don't know.
brian redban
Do you see that?
jamie vernon
I saw snow and all the stuff on the ground.
brian redban
It's like foaming rain.
joe rogan
Bro.
Bro, what's in those clouds now?
tony hinchcliffe
And that's a cloudy place.
They literally have the lake effect there.
So the precipitation, that's where it's always cloudy.
Always.
joe rogan
Oh my god.
So it's sitting above you.
tony hinchcliffe
Yep.
joe rogan
Is it?
Does it dissipate?
What happens to the poison that gets into the air?
brian redban
It goes to Pittsburgh.
unidentified
Yeah, where does it go?
joe rogan
Like, if it really hovers over you, like, holy shit, and comes down when it rains, what the fuck?
brian redban
The video that, I don't know if it's real, it showed a man outside, and when it was raining, it just seemed like it was suds.
And so that's not normal.
I don't know if it's a real video, it's TikTok.
joe rogan
Wouldn't you think that whatever the smoke is, like, whatever the particles are, they would be too heavy to just sit in the clouds?
Wouldn't you think that they would fall to the ground?
tony hinchcliffe
I don't know.
joe rogan
We're too stupid to talk about this.
Jamie, you're smarter than us.
What do you think would happen, like, if chemicals were burned and they went into the clouds, would they stay in the clouds?
jamie vernon
I think back to the movies of, like, the Dirty Waters just came out where they're looking into, like, you know, chemical companies and people getting fucked up and there's giant lawsuits that go on forever.
Aaron Brockovich thing, I think, was a similar situation.
People getting fucked up from some chemical company.
Mm-hmm.
joe rogan
Right.
tony hinchcliffe
Repeat.
jamie vernon
Why would this one be different, honestly?
joe rogan
No, I think it is.
But what I'm asking is, do you think that when they burn the chemicals that they stay in the clouds, does that make any sense?
jamie vernon
I don't think they're going to tell us and explain it to us, simple people.
Some people might know.
joe rogan
What a mad scramble.
And did you see that people were trying to blame Trump because of deregulation?
But it turns out that whatever deregulation he passed wouldn't have applied to this and also wasn't instituted.
It never really went through.
tony hinchcliffe
Is that true?
joe rogan
Make sure that's true.
unidentified
How?
joe rogan
If anybody can, you can, Jamie.
What is the question?
jamie vernon
Was the deregulation by Trump?
joe rogan
Yes.
Was Trump-era deregulation responsible for the crash?
Because I think it was not.
jamie vernon
I don't know.
I heard that it was about the penalties for the company, not even the train.
joe rogan
Oh, really?
jamie vernon
That's what I had understood.
joe rogan
Oh, really?
jamie vernon
That's what deregulation was about.
joe rogan
Oh, really?
jamie vernon
The train was going to happen anyway.
Remember, we looked up, it was like $1,700 a year.
joe rogan
So the deregulation was just basically like giving money to the corporations or letting them pay less money?
jamie vernon
I don't know.
First thing it says, Washington Post analysis.
So far, Trump's rollback of regulations can't be blamed for the train wreck.
joe rogan
There you go.
And that's Washington Post.
So that's Washington Post.
See, NTSB chair contradicts Post that wrongly claim Trump to blame for Ohio train wreck.
But that's like a thing that people do immediately.
Whenever there's something fucked up, they immediately point at Trump.
He did it!
He did it!
But the problem with that is when you say he did it, a lot of people hear, oh, he did it.
And then how many people hear the follow-up?
How many people hear like, no, he didn't do it, and this is actually what happened?
I bet it's probably like 60, 40, right?
I bet like 40% find out that it wasn't true.
jamie vernon
This is from an article.
It says, Buttigieg calls on Trump to back reversing deregulation in the wake of train derailment.
They're saying it comes from this letter.
joe rogan
Well, maybe he's correct.
Let's read what he has to say.
Both things could be true, right?
What could be true is that the deregulation is bad, and what also could be true is that Trump wasn't responsible for this particular crash.
Both things could be true.
This is one thing he can do to express support for reversing the deregulation that happened on his watch.
I heard him say he had nothing to do with it, even though it was in his administration.
So, if he had nothing to do with it, and they did it in his administration against his will, maybe he can come out and say that he supports us moving in a different direction.
That seems very reasonable, doesn't it?
Yeah.
White House has blamed Republican lawmakers in the Trump administration for lax railway and environmental regulations in the aftermath of the derailment.
White House has pointed to a 2021 letter from the Republican Senators to the Federal Railroad Administration urging the agency to expand the use of automated track inspection and pointed to a Republican Study Committee proposal to cut to government funding to address chemical spills.
Hmm That's a weird way the pros proposal to cut to government funding I think it's just a typo there Additionally Politico reported the Trump administration rolled back several safety measures for railways including regular Safety audits and an Obama era rule that required faster brakes on trains carrying flammable materials Dude, how about the fastest brakes?
Yeah containing flammable materials How about the fastest fucking breaks you can make?
That's a true thing, though, that this particular rail that that thing happened on was not set up for transferring hazardous waste, right?
Or hazardous materials.
Isn't that true?
I think they're saying that that train was not set up for having that kind of stuff on it.
It's like, bro, it can just fall off the tracks going like 300 miles an hour and explode.
Like, what do you got in there?
And you're gonna ruin everything forever, all around it?
Like, how long before they cleaned that up?
jamie vernon
Oh, and now they're, what are they gonna do with it?
Yeah, so I'm reading right now.
unidentified
What are they gonna do with this stuff?
jamie vernon
What are they doing with it?
They're putting in a landfill.
joe rogan
In Indiana, right?
jamie vernon
Putnam County landfill.
joe rogan
Great.
Terrific.
tony hinchcliffe
Put it in the earth.
jamie vernon
Driving it across the state.
unidentified
If you don't own a landfill, bro, you could put anything in there.
joe rogan
Computers, bodies, all kinds of shit.
Old cocaine, like, dressers.
jamie vernon
Four hours ago's story.
joe rogan
Ohio toxic train disaster leads to more concerns in other states while scientists say chemical tests in East Palestine are unusually high.
tony hinchcliffe
I mean...
joe rogan
Yeah, you think?
tony hinchcliffe
Look at that.
joe rogan
Unusually high.
Really?
What a crazy statement.
Unusually high.
How about toxic for humans?
I mean, what happens to those people that can't move?
Those people that are stuck there, like they can't afford to move, they got nowhere to go.
tony hinchcliffe
That's everybody there, by the way.
brian redban
Yeah, at least it's going to be really cheap to move them somewhere else, like $50,000 houses everywhere, you know.
joe rogan
Bro.
I mean, you got to get those people out of there.
brian redban
Yeah.
joe rogan
Like, how dangerous is it, you think, to be there right now?
Is it just groundwater?
Or is it air?
Is it everything?
Fuck, man.
You know how scary that would be if you were poor and you were stuck in that spot?
jamie vernon
Was that plane crash real that happened?
joe rogan
Yeah, you know that story?
brian redban
What happened?
joe rogan
Dude, a plane that was headed with, isn't it true?
jamie vernon
It seems.
joe rogan
Yeah.
jamie vernon
I'm trying to double check.
joe rogan
I want to triple check, but I'm pretty sure there were environmental, yeah.
Five environmental scientists who died in a plane crash were headed to East Palestine, Ohio.
It says false.
Five employees of an environmental consulting firm died in a plane crash near Little Rock, Arkansas on Wednesday, but they were not traveling to East Palestine where a freight train derailed.
The employees were responding to an unrelated February 20th explosion at a metals plant in a Cleveland suburb more than 60 miles away.
Okay.
So it wasn't true.
Yeah, so the facts in the days since the February 22nd plane crash some social media users have falsely claimed the aircraft was transporting environmental scientists to East Palestine where a freight train derailment earlier in the month prompted officials to intentionally release and burn toxic vinyl chloride to avoid the danger of an uncontrolled blast.
Okay, so it wasn't true.
So there was a plane crash filled with scientists, but they were going to a different spill.
tony hinchcliffe
That seems a little fishy.
Why are five environmental scientists going to some other thing nobody's heard of when there's this massive tragedy 60 minutes away?
And that's probably the closest major...
Well, I guess Pittsburgh is a more major airport that's closer, but that's the second closest.
joe rogan
Well, we would have to...
Well, first of all, we didn't know these scientists were going there, right?
So we would have to assume they've already sent scientists to East Palestine.
They don't have to tell you that they're doing that, right?
It's not like they make a press release, like, hey, we're sending scientists to find out.
Because then people want to know, like, what's the result?
Like, if the results are unprintable, like, if the results are like, oh my god, like, everyone's gonna die.
Like, who knows what the results are?
tony hinchcliffe
And we know that if it is unprintable, they're not gonna tell us anyway, from past everything.
joe rogan
If they sent five people to this other crash, how many did they send?
brian redban
5,000.
joe rogan
How many did they send to East Palestine?
They want to, like, check for sure.
They want to, like, double and triple check on this one, because this is a doozy.
People are calling it, like, an American Chernobyl.
It's like, this is scary shit.
tony hinchcliffe
Yeah.
joe rogan
It's wild that those things happen all the time.
We googled it the other day.
There's like a thousand derailments a year.
They happen all the time.
Bro.
unidentified
Fuck.
tony hinchcliffe
Brigham sent me a meme that was like, if you want to run a train properly, here's who you should hire.
And it's that cop lady that got...
joe rogan
Oh, yeah.
Yeah, I've seen those.
She's in like 10 memes.
Poor gal.
brian redban
Good girl.
tony hinchcliffe
Yeah.
joe rogan
What are you going to do?
tony hinchcliffe
Cold-blooded assassin.
It's a fun office mate right there.
unidentified
Yep.
joe rogan
Seems like they're having a good time on the job.
tony hinchcliffe
Give me three black rhinos and an eight-hour shift.
brian redban
That's too much.
tony hinchcliffe
Let's go.
joe rogan
Three will have a heart attack, bro.
unidentified
Yeah, you die.
tony hinchcliffe
Yeah, you gotta be careful.
joe rogan
How many people died from rhino pills?
brian redban
Probably a lot.
joe rogan
We should find that out.
tony hinchcliffe
That's a good question.
joe rogan
Let's take a guess.
Because, you know, it would have to be like someone...
brian redban
Heart attacks.
joe rogan
Some banker's son died from rhino pills, and then they would ban them.
So it would have to be someone influential who died.
I'm going to guess...
It's hard to say.
brian redban
I don't think there's a number for that because it pretty much is whatever the boner pill really is, like Viagra.
A lot of people probably overdose on Viagra.
Their blood pressure drops.
They have a heart attack or something like that.
joe rogan
But I think there's probably deaths that you can absolutely attribute to boner pills.
If you think of all the people out there, all the crazy fucks that try to drink a gallon of whiskey and fucking smoke 50 packs of cigarettes, just people that go hard.
If they go hard with the rhino pills, I want to know how many will kill you.
Imagine if the guy's like, fuck, bro, I'm going out with Heidi tonight.
I'm taking 20 pills.
tony hinchcliffe
Don't do it, Mike!
Don't do it, Mike!
This sounds like the next episode of Protect Your Parks.
You guys should each take three boner pills and just try to fucking maintain, look at each other right in the eyes.
brian redban
I'll come with a gold suitcase and give it to you guys.
joe rogan
Imagine a roided up, boner-pilled Shane right next to a roided up, boner-pilled Ari.
brian redban
Nice.
joe rogan
Pulled it from aroid raging with boners on amphetamines.
tony hinchcliffe
Throbbing three-inch penis.
joe rogan
Ari's got a giant dick, dude.
He does.
He'll show it to you.
Not since the AIDS. Still, it doesn't shrink.
tony hinchcliffe
Full-blown.
joe rogan
Full-blown doesn't shrink.
Regular AIDS sometimes Full-blown.
There's no other disease that you say full-blown.
It's got full-blown cancer.
brian redban
Oh, yeah.
joe rogan
Do you say full-blown cancer?
brian redban
Yeah, you got full-blown cancer.
joe rogan
Really?
brian redban
I think.
I've heard that before.
joe rogan
It sounds right.
brian redban
Yeah.
joe rogan
Right when I was saying it, I was like, hmm, that's a questionable one.
brian redban
Full-blown period.
joe rogan
You don't say you have full-blown tuberculosis.
tony hinchcliffe
Right?
joe rogan
I don't know.
You might say full-blown herpes.
tony hinchcliffe
That sounds bad.
joe rogan
Full-blown herpes.
brian redban
Oh, yeah.
That's scary.
unidentified
Yeah.
joe rogan
Back in the day, dude, they used to die from syphilis.
Like, people rotted out from syphilis.
And they got syphilis from fucking, and everybody knew they got it from fucking.
And people still fucked.
They still fucked.
brian redban
There's that new gonorrhea, full-blown gonorrhea that's killing people that can't cure.
unidentified
What?
brian redban
Have you heard about super gonorrhea?
Super gonorrhea is like a new thing.
They have no cure for it.
What?
unidentified
Really?
brian redban
Yeah.
joe rogan
Have you heard of this?
tony hinchcliffe
No.
joe rogan
Jamie?
Please Google super gonorrhea.
brian redban
I haven't heard this yet, yes.
joe rogan
No, I haven't heard of it.
brian redban
It's so fucked up because it's mutated gonorrhea.
joe rogan
Imagine you're just a young person trying to have a good time, have a little intercourse.
What is super gonorrhea?
Right here, January 2023. Super gonorrhea has reached the US. Holy shit.
Super gonorrhea has infected people in the US. It says Massachusetts officials have reported two cases of gonorrhea that are resistant or less susceptible to all known antibiotics used to treat it.
Dude.
brian redban
You live your life with green shit coming out of your dick.
unidentified
Dude.
joe rogan
Go low limit.
So I can read about this?
Super gonorrhea has infected people in the United States for the first known time.
This week, Massachusetts public health officials announced the discovery of two gonorrhea cases appearing to display increased resistance to all known antibiotic classes that can be used against it.
These cases were thankfully still curable, but it's the latest reminder that this common sexually transmitted infection is becoming a more serious threat.
unidentified
Oh!
joe rogan
What do you think nature, just when humans get to a certain number, nature just decides to try to start killing them?
brian redban
See the symptoms right there?
unidentified
Oof.
joe rogan
Okay.
Discolored discharge from the genitals, painful or burning urination, and rectal bleeding if caught from anal sex.
Yikes.
unidentified
Wow.
joe rogan
When gonorrhea is left untreated, it raises the risk of more serious complications like damage to the reproductive tract in women and swollen testicles in men, both of which can lead to infertility.
brian redban
That's not bad.
joe rogan
That's terrifying.
But they figured out, for syphilis, they figured it out.
Penicillin.
Again, shout out to the drug dealers, the pharmacy people.
They figured out penicillin.
Shout out to the scientists.
People were dying of syphilis, and now they just give you a shot.
tony hinchcliffe
Right.
joe rogan
You ever see people dying from syphilis?
See what it looks like?
Like holes in their face.
Their noses fall off, holes in their scalp, like giant patches of tissue missing.
Scary stuff, dude.
Scary stuff.
They just basically rotted away.
tony hinchcliffe
Damn.
unidentified
Dude.
joe rogan
It's crazy, because that was a common thing back in the day.
unidentified
Oh!
joe rogan
Yeah, look at that guy.
His face is just rotting away.
brian redban
Oh my god, look at that woman's nose at the top, middle.
joe rogan
And look at the paintings of people that had syphilis, too.
Look at that one on the upper top.
Look at the upper top with the guy with the head, the bald head.
Look at his head.
Those are syphilis lesions.
So it's literally his head is rotting away.
And there's no cure for it.
Look at that girl.
Her face is rotting away.
And back then, you just fucking died.
You know, you just rotted out and died like this.
Scary shit, dude.
Like, parts of your face just fall off like The Walking Dead.
unidentified
Fuck.
joe rogan
I think that's how Al Capone died.
tony hinchcliffe
Yeah.
brian redban
Really?
tony hinchcliffe
Yeah.
joe rogan
Didn't he die from syphilis?
tony hinchcliffe
I think so.
Yep, there he is, right there, bottom right.
joe rogan
Ooh, boy.
Jesus.
Famous people who died of syphilis.
Go to that.
Let me see what famous people died of syphilis.
So, Bram Stoker, the guy who wrote Jackula, he dried, oh my god.
Which is kind of fucked, because getting syphilis is kind of like being bit by a monster.
Like, you're slowly rotting away.
Al Capone.
Late stages of neural syphilis at 48 years old.
God damn, Al Capone was 48 when he went down?
brian redban
Damn.
joe rogan
Wow.
48 with syphilis.
unidentified
Imagine.
joe rogan
After, you know, all the shit Al Capone got through.
An STD took him out.
tony hinchcliffe
One piece of pussy.
joe rogan
Dudes, they had those bullets in the circle, those Tommy guns.
Back in those days, I mean, Al Capone was running the mob in Chicago.
Bullets were probably flying at him all the time.
Syphilis gets him.
brian redban
Didn't they think he was like in a vault at one point in the 80s and they had like a lot?
joe rogan
Geraldo Rivera found his vault and they didn't bother to check to see if there's anything in it.
They wanted to reveal it live on TV. And so Geraldo breaks through the wall and he goes inside with the camera and there's nothing.
Zero.
So everybody was like, hang on the edge of their seat because it's live.
It was a live event.
Geraldo Rivera was breaking into Al Capone's vault in a live event.
And there's nothing in there.
tony hinchcliffe
Geraldo Rivera's had a lot of rough moments.
joe rogan
Well, that was the roughest.
That was purely the roughest.
But the greatest moment he ever had was on the Geraldo Rivera show, whatever the fuck the show was called, when he introduced the world to the Kennedy assassination video.
Dick Gregory, who was a comic, Dick Gregory came on to the Geraldo Rivera show with the footage that he had obtained of the Kennedy assassination from the Zapruder film.
So the Zapruder film was acquired, I believe, by Time Life.
I think they were acquired by Life magazine.
And they didn't do anything with it for a long time.
And then he got it, and I want to say they aired it on TV. It was at least 10 years, if not 12 years after the murder.
So, it was like 75, I think.
And so, on the show, he introduces this.
There's Geraldo Rivera looking sexy as fuck.
1975. See, there it goes.
So it's 12 years.
Oh, it's Goodnight America, what it was called.
That was Geraldo Rivera's show.
It's Geraldo, this beautiful main is the host, and Dick Gregory comes on, and Dick Gregory brings on this other cat.
I don't know who the other guy is.
brian redban
Bad guy from James Bond.
unidentified
That's exactly what he looks like.
brian redban
That's the guy with the button.
tony hinchcliffe
Jaws.
joe rogan
What's his name? - Mm-hmm.
Okay, so when they watch it, you could see Geraldo Rivera react to it.
Let's play it because this was the thing.
The thing was a lot of people at that time, they're coming off of the Vietnam War, There's a lot of people that have a massive distrust of the government, and there's a lot of people that thought that Kennedy was assassinated by more than one person.
There was all these rumors of people shooting from the grassy knoll, and there was all these conspiracy theories, but until you watch the actual video of the assassination, there was no confirmation that something was amiss.
And you watch the video, and his head goes back into the left when he gets shot, and you're like, what am I looking at here?
Like, what's going on here?
Like, and he got shot in the neck as well.
tony hinchcliffe
Yeah.
joe rogan
That's another thing.
Like, you could see he grabs his neck, and then you see his head go back.
And it's not consistent with this idea of a magic bullet that goes through two people and creates all the...
It looks like he's getting hit multiple times.
tony hinchcliffe
Right.
And the brain goes back.
It goes into the trunk.
joe rogan
Yes.
unidentified
...what is happening.
This is a film taken by Marie Muchmore that leads into the Zapruder film.
It's for time continuity.
The president is waving to the crowd here.
And Jacqueline Kennedy, of course, is sitting alongside him in the open car.
Right.
This is from Orville Nix's film.
This is originally 8mm footage.
And they're heading now toward Elm Street.
They're on Houston Street now.
They're going to make a left-hand turn.
It's on the corner where they're going to make the turn there that the book depository was.
Now, this is the Zapruder film.
Okay, so the cars are coming along now into Dealey Plaza?
Yes.
These are the lead motorcycles of the motorcade.
All right.
Now, with the President and Mrs. Kennedy is also Governor Connolly.
Right.
Now, before he goes behind the sign, the President is waving to the crowd.
When he comes out from behind the sign, he is shot.
Then Governor Connolly is shot.
He's already been hit?
He's already been hit.
And now?
At the bottom of the screen, the head shot.
That's the shot that blew up his head.
It's the most horrifying thing I've ever seen in the movies.
Now, the Warren Commission said that all of the shots were fired from behind by Lee Harvey Oswald, a lone assassin, firing at the President.
And as you can see, clearly, the head is thrown violently backwards, completely consistent with the shot from the front right.
Now, this is an extreme blow-up of just the President from the film.
Coming out behind the sign.
He's shot.
He's hit.
He's hit here.
From the front, too.
From the front.
Now, Jackie doesn't realize what's happened yet.
She goes to his aide.
And now?
Jesus.
Jesus.
So fucked up.
He's hit.
Again, the violent backward motion.
Totally consistent with 80% of the witnesses, which said the shot came from the grassy knoll in front and to the right.
It's interesting to note how many people is running towards where most folks thought the shots came from.
The head goes backwards in the next film from the other side of the street.
Oh God, that's awful.
That's the most upsetting thing I've ever seen.
We'll talk about it in a minute.
joe rogan
Wild.
Wild.
How strong is Dick Gregory?
Dick Gregory in 1975 bringing that film footage with...
Who was the other guy he was with?
We should give that guy a shout-out.
unidentified
Robert Grodin?
tony hinchcliffe
I got to meet Dick.
joe rogan
Did you say Robert Grodin?
jamie vernon
At the end of this description, it says Robert Grodin is one of Rivera's guests.
joe rogan
Okay, it must be.
It must be who he is.
unidentified
Okay.
tony hinchcliffe
Dick Gregory at a little comedy club in downtown LA. Did you ever go there?
unidentified
No.
tony hinchcliffe
Yeah.
joe rogan
When was that?
unidentified
It was, uh, 2014, 15, 13?
brian redban
The one down downtown?
tony hinchcliffe
Yeah.
brian redban
Yeah.
tony hinchcliffe
It was Dick Gregory's comedy club, I think it was called.
joe rogan
That's the guy that was there, right?
Is that the guy?
jamie vernon
I'm asking.
joe rogan
It doesn't seem like it's the guy.
brian redban
No, it doesn't.
joe rogan
No.
jamie vernon
Are you sure?
joe rogan
Maybe.
unidentified
Yeah.
joe rogan
Yeah, I guess it is.
Yeah, that's him.
brian redban
Yep.
joe rogan
Yeah, it just looks like he's creeping me out in that picture.
brian redban
That's pretty creepy.
joe rogan
Well, he's seen some shit.
Imagine if you're the guy who gets a hold of the footage.
It shows that Kennedy got assassinated by a guy from the front.
And you're going to show it on television.
And what a wild scramble that must have been the next day.
Did they explain anything about that?
What?
jamie vernon
Did they explain how they got it?
joe rogan
It's a good question.
jamie vernon
That was like 12 years later, wasn't it?
joe rogan
Yeah, I believe we said it was 13 years.
It was 13 years after the assassination, or 12 years, right?
75?
unidentified
Yeah, it was 63. Buy someone's storage thing and start looking through it.
brian redban
Yard sale?
joe rogan
I think, like I said, I think Time Magazine had acquired it.
Time Life or Life Magazine, whatever it was back then.
I think they had acquired it.
And they had the footage.
And they didn't release it.
Somehow I know that Dick Gregory got it.
I don't know how, but I'm pretty sure that someone had sold the footage.
jamie vernon
They said CBS lost a bidding war with Time Life, so someone had it to sell it.
joe rogan
Mm-hmm.
jamie vernon
But how did they find it?
unidentified
I'm surprised they ever let it out.
joe rogan
I feel like the guy who maybe filmed it, or his family perhaps?
jamie vernon
Abram Zapruder stood on a concrete pedestal.
unidentified
He filmed the presidential 26 seconds.
joe rogan
That's a crazy piece of history.
jamie vernon
After a Secret Service agent promised Zapruder that the film would only be used for an official investigation.
So maybe he came forward, I guess.
Zapruder gave two of the copies.
Oh, so he made copies of it himself.
tony hinchcliffe
Smart.
joe rogan
That's what it is.
tony hinchcliffe
Smart.
joe rogan
The original film was retained by Zapruder in addition to one of the copies.
So November 23rd, lost a bidding to Life Magazine for $160,000.
Wow.
1.3 million in 2023 dollars.
CBS News correspondent Dan Rather was the first to report on the footage on national television after seeing it.
The inaccuracies in his description contributed to many conspiracy theories about the assassination.
His 2001 book, Tell Me a Story, CBS producer Don Hewitt said that he told Rather to go to Zapruder's home to sock him in the jaw, take the film, copy it, and then return it to let the network's lawyers deal with the consequences.
According to Hewitt, he realized his mistake after ending their telephone conversation and immediately called Rather back to countermand the offer, disappointing the reporter.
A 2015 interview on Opie with Jim Norton Rather stated that the story was a myth.
Okay.
jamie vernon
It still doesn't explain...
joe rogan
Yeah, well, how did they get it?
jamie vernon
Like, how did it end up anomaly where you read this?
joe rogan
Right, but this is like...
Huh.
So, it's hard to say.
So, somebody had it.
I just don't know how Dick Gregory got it.
I don't know how the gentleman with Dick Gregory got it.
I assume he brought that guy on.
Sort of like I would bring a guest on the JRE. Like, tell me what's up.
What happened?
Can you imagine back then breaking that piece of news?
Geraldo Rivera must have been shitting his pants.
Like, what have I done?
Those guys are still alive.
Like, it's not like today.
You talk about the Kennedy assassination today, you're talking about someone who died 50, what is it, almost 60 years ago.
It's a long-ass time.
You talk about it in 1975, those dudes were still running shit.
And to see that on television, like proof that the story was shady, that must have been a big fucking deal.
You know, I don't think we could ever appreciate what it would be like to be a grown-up in 75. It was probably madness.
unidentified
Madness.
tony hinchcliffe
Man.
joe rogan
Everybody's just getting back from Vietnam.
Like, what the fuck was that all about?
tony hinchcliffe
Right.
joe rogan
Disco, power bottoms, water beds.
brian redban
Ah, the days.
tony hinchcliffe
No super gonorrhea.
joe rogan
And the worst cars America's ever produced.
jamie vernon
This article about Zapruder says after walking away, he ran into a Dallas news reporter who was acquainted with Soros, who was a Secret Service agent, and they got them connected almost immediately.
joe rogan
Hmm.
Okay.
It says, offered to bring Sorrells to Zapruder's office.
Zapruder agreed and returned to his office.
McCormick later found Sorrells outside the sheriff's office at Maine and Houston, and together they went to Zapruder's office.
Zapruder agreed to give the film to Sorrells on the condition that it would be used only for investigation of the assassination.
The three then took the film to the television station WFAA to be developed after it was realized that WFAA was unable to develop Zapruder's footage.
The film was later taken to Eastman Kodiak's Dallas processing plant later that afternoon where it was immediately developed.
As the Kodachrome process requires different equipment for duplication than for simple development, Sapruder's film was not developed until around 6.30 p.m.
The original developed film was taken to the Jameson Film Company, where three additional copies were exposed.
These were returned to Kodak around 8 p.m.
for processing.
Sapruder kept the original plus one copy and gave the other two copies to Sorrels, who sent them to the Secret Service headquarters in Washington.
jamie vernon
So they had it immediately, and he held onto it for like 10 years, it looks like, right?
joe rogan
Is that what happened?
jamie vernon
My next question would be like, how did it end up in the auction house?
Maybe he died.
joe rogan
I feel like that's what I remember.
I feel like I remember his family having something to do with it.
jamie vernon
Stolley contacted him later that evening, right away.
joe rogan
Okay, late that evening, Zapruder was contacted at home by Richard Stolley.
An editor at Life Magazine.
They arranged to meet the following morning to view the film, after which Zapruder sold the print rights to Life for $50,000.
Sorley was representing Time and Life on behalf of the publisher Charles Douglas Jackson the following day, November 24th.
Life purchased all rights to the film for a total of $150,000.
100, which is 1.3 million in today's money.
The night after the assassination, Zapruder said that he had a nightmare in which he saw a booth in Times Square advertising, see the president's head explode.
He determined that while he was willing to make money from the film, he did not want the public to see the full horror of what he had seen.
Therefore, a condition of the sale to life was that frame 313, showing the fatal shot, would be withheld.
Although he made a profit from selling the film, he asked that the amount he was paid not be publicly disclosed.
He later donated $25,000, about $221,000 today, of the money he was paid to widow of officer J.D. Tippett, a Dallas police officer who was shot and killed by Lee Harvey Oswald 45 minutes after President Kennedy was killed.
jamie vernon
Wow.
joe rogan
Okay, so in 75, Time sold the film back to the Zapruder family for $1.
And in 78, the Zapruder's allowed the film to be stored at the National Archives and Records Administration where it remains.
In 99, the Zapruder's donated the copyright of the film to the Sixth Floor Museum at Dealey Plaza.
So I'm still confused as to how they got it.
unidentified
Thank you.
tony hinchcliffe
How Dick Gregory got it?
joe rogan
Yeah, how they got it.
jamie vernon
I'll investigate.
joe rogan
So I wonder if the one that they showed on Geraldo Rivera's is the one with all the frames.
tony hinchcliffe
Yeah.
joe rogan
Is that the one with all the frames?
jamie vernon
They showed the shot, right?
unidentified
Yeah.
joe rogan
Huh.
I wonder if there's like a version that has like one extra frame.
Or if that's the version without the frame omitted.
Either way, it's interesting how blurry it is, right?
brian redban
Yeah, it looked like shit, because I thought it was the time of the video, but then when they went back to the guests, the guests looked way better than the footage they were showing.
joe rogan
Well, he was doing it on a little 8mm.
You know, they have professional TV cameras in a giant studio with crazy overhead lights and the whole deal.
You know, back then, cameras sucked.
They fucking sucked.
And if you're going to film something, good luck figuring out what the fuck you're filming.
brian redban
But even that looked like a copy of a copy of a copy of what that would look like at that time.
joe rogan
Well, it might have been, right?
brian redban
Yeah.
joe rogan
They might have given them the copy and not the original.
Who knows if the duplicate was even remotely as good.
Maybe it's like VHS tapes.
Remember when you could make a VHS tape and then you could make a copy of it and it looks like shit?
brian redban
Yeah.
Or they filmed it off a TV back then or something.
joe rogan
Oh, yeah.
Those are the best.
brian redban
Yeah.
joe rogan
When you would buy movies, the dudes would set up a VHS recorder in a movie theater and they would film it on the screen.
And it would like almost fit your screen, but you could buy like a brand new movie for five bucks.
And you're like, okay.
I watched multiple movies that I bought on the street when I was a kid.
And then I bought them and it's just a VHS tape of a fucking camera that some guy set up in a movie theater.
brian redban
I had a copy of Pulp Fiction like the week it came out.
I thought it was like the most awesome things.
I could just watch Pulp Fiction all day long in my house.
joe rogan
Sounds terrible.
brian redban
It was a bad copy.
joe rogan
They're all terrible.
jamie vernon
They showed that guy that we looked up, Grodin's copy of...
The Zapruder film.
So he had a copy of the Zapruder film.
And Dick Gregory was an outspoken opponent critic of the Warren Commission.
Yeah.
It sounds like they had a meeting and made up a plan.
They're like, oh, look what I have.
All right, I'll go on Geraldo and we'll put this out to the public kind of thing.
joe rogan
It's so interesting how when you get access to information like this and you find out things about the past and you realize like there's never been a time where everybody was on the up and up.
Never been a time.
Like now it's kind of more in your face because it's so easy to find out things and people are finding out things so much quicker and like a lot of these companies.
And governments, they can't, like, hide things as easily.
jamie vernon
This says that the response to this showing of the video led to that church committee, which is what outed a whole bunch of stuff.
joe rogan
Yes.
The investigation on the intelligence activities by the United States, which resulted in the United States House Select Committee on Assassinations Investigation.
jamie vernon
I think that's where MKUltra came from, right?
I called the information on it.
joe rogan
Whoa.
jamie vernon
I believe.
joe rogan
I thought that was Freedom of Information Act, was it?
jamie vernon
That's what this is.
This was like an investigation into all the stuff the CIA was doing.
They had a committee.
joe rogan
They did some wild shit.
Imagine being one of those guys dosing people up with acid.
Yeah, there it is.
Jesus Christ.
They were doing wild shit back then, man.
Just dosing people with acid and studying them.
They think, like, one of the suspicions that comes out of the chaos is that that guy, Jolly West, who was responsible for giving LSD to Manson, allegedly, they also have this guy visiting Jack Ruby after he killed Lee Harvey Oswald.
Jack Ruby went fucking crazy.
And they think he might have just dosed the shit out of this dude.
Like, he was saying that, like, Jews were on fire, and he was in hell, and, you know, there's demons, and, like, he went, like, full nutter.
unidentified
Wow.
joe rogan
And he did it after he shot Lee Harvey Oswald.
Can you imagine, like, if you want to, like, get rid of a witness, like, why did you shoot him?
Why did you kill that guy?
Give that guy all the acid in the world.
Let him scream and yell, and then give him a little cancer, and it's like, we're done.
unidentified
Right.
joe rogan
That's it.
And that's what happened.
He had cancer, like, instantly.
In jail.
Went crazy.
Had cancer.
The whole story is really nuts.
Fox News piece stated in April of 1964, a psychiatrist called Louis Jolin West visited Jack Ruby in his isolation cell in a Dallas jail.
According to West's written assessment, he found that Jack Ruby was technically insane and in need of immediate psychiatric hospitalization.
Those are conclusions that puzzlingly no one who had spoken with Jack Ruby previously had reached.
Ruby had seemed perfectly sane to the people who knew him.
Louis Joylin West pronounced him crazy, but what West did not say was that he was working for the CIA at the time.
He was an expert on mind control and a prominent player in the now infamous MKUltra program in which the CIA gave powerful psychiatric drugs to Americans without their knowledge.
So of all the psychiatrists in the world, what in the world was that guy doing in Jack Ruby's prison cell?
Yeah, what in the world was he doing there?
That's Tom O'Neil.
That's Chaos.
Fucking great book.
Great book.
I can't recommend it enough on Charles Manson.
It's so crazy what the CIA was doing.
They taught him how to be a cult leader.
They gave him acid.
They taught him how to take it.
They taught him how to give it to people and not take it and pretend you're taking it and then manipulate them.
I mean, that guy didn't just learn on his own out on the street.
Like, he went through a program that got him to develop this gang of hippie killers.
What they did was wild.
Like, they engineered the Manson family.
And that every time he got arrested, they got him out of jail.
Like, he would get arrested and people were like, well, why are you letting him out of jail?
And the sheriff would be like, well, it's above my pay grade.
They just got visited, guy showed badges, like, open the door, let him out, shut the fuck up, we'll be back.
unidentified
Wow.
joe rogan
Yeah.
But that's what they did with Whitey Bulger, too, man.
I mean, the history of them doing that is so nuts.
There's so many times that these agencies have had someone working with them that's evil as fuck, and they let them get away with stuff.
How many times they've done that with drug dealers to get them to rat on all the other drug dealers?
How many times they've done that with so many fucking creeps?
tony hinchcliffe
Yeah, it's crazy.
joe rogan
The Whitey Bulger ones.
Nuts, though.
When people found out that he was an FBI informant, they were like, what?
That guy?
Dude, he won the lottery twice.
tony hinchcliffe
Literally?
unidentified
Yeah.
tony hinchcliffe
What?
joe rogan
Won the lottery twice.
brian redban
That's not true.
joe rogan
Do you know how cocky you have to be when you're rigging the lottery to win it twice?
Do you know how cocky you have to be?
Google that.
I'm pretty sure it's true.
He won it once?
jamie vernon
At least once.
I'm seeing him about a second time.
joe rogan
I feel like he won it twice.
jamie vernon
$14.3 million jackpot he claimed in 1991. There you go.
joe rogan
And what was the other time?
I hope I'm not making this up.
jamie vernon
No, it seems like there is something else.
joe rogan
I feel like I'm not making it up.
And I feel like what the scam was, was it was a way to launder money.
So if somebody won the lottery, like say if you won the lottery and you won a million dollars, say, listen, I'll give you 1.2, you know, and you give that ticket to me.
And then now I've gotten rid of a million dollars.
I don't have to, you know, you know what I'm saying?
Like you can move stuff around.
unidentified
Mm-hmm.
joe rogan
That you could say this is where I got my money from and people can't say shit Crazy.
Because you wouldn't even have to give them a million too.
Because the way the lottery thing works, they give you like X amount per year for like forever.
It's annoying.
Or you could take all of it at once, but you don't get nearly as much, right?
Isn't that the deal?
brian redban
I always thought that I would do the longer, like just be like, I don't have to ever work again.
I'll have, you know, $100,000 a month.
Like that's enough, you know?
But then if you die, do your family get that?
unidentified
I don't know.
joe rogan
Yeah, probably not.
It's probably a clause that cuts you off.
brian redban
Yeah, so then there's that.
joe rogan
It's like, you know, you're not around anymore.
Yeah, we're not paying you.
What is the difference, like, say if you win like the Powerball and you win a hundred million bucks.
What's the difference between the payoff and the overtime payments?
Overtime gets you to $100 million, but what's the payoff?
Like, if you want it all at once, you want to go crazy.
brian redban
Why would you say this?
joe rogan
Like, you got coke and bullets and you're ready to go.
You just want to go nuts.
You're like, no, no, no, I want all the money.
If you're just like some wild dude that all of a sudden gets a $100 million thing in...
What is it like...
40 million?
Like, how much is it?
brian redban
Yeah, what would your percent be?
You'd say 40%?
joe rogan
Yeah, I would wonder what the drop-off is.
tony hinchcliffe
I'd say 50. 50?
joe rogan
Think it's half?
I think it's 65. Well, you also have to pay taxes on that half, too.
You have to think of that.
brian redban
Yeah.
joe rogan
So you're not really getting 100 million.
So if they give you 50, and then what does the government take?
I bet they take, like, half.
brian redban
It's about half.
joe rogan
For something like that?
For something crazy like a lottery?
Give me my piece, bitch!
jamie vernon
$1.35 billion, the payout was $707 billion.
tony hinchcliffe
Yep, so it's about $50 billion.
joe rogan
Yeah, somewhere in that range.
And then, how much of that do they have to pay in taxes?
Even if they pay half?
Cha-ching!
brian redban
It's probably like 40%.
joe rogan
Can you imagine how many times that guy has to change his phone number?
jamie vernon
The IRS will take 24% off the top, and the rest will do it tax time.
joe rogan
24% off the top of the rest of the tax top.
brian redban
So it's tax time now.
jamie vernon
So for the $1.35 billion, it says, it did the math on this.
Jump, skip down.
Set 60. Here we go.
If the cash option is taken at 7.07, you owe $170 million in federal taxes.
Jeez Louise.
You lost 800 of the $1.35 you won.
joe rogan
That is pretty wild.
But isn't it crazy how much the government takes?
We would like $169 million, please.
tony hinchcliffe
Yeah.
Ukraine.
joe rogan
That's our score.
So the government wins always.
Every time someone wins the lottery, the government wins.
That's a giant win too.
So the setup is you get a bunch of people.
They all throw their money at this thing because they're all...
It's legalized gambling 100% because no one's limiting the amount of tickets you can buy.
You can go nutty, right?
People go nutty.
They buy hundreds of tickets, right?
And then when you win, the government wins.
The government gets a stake every time.
How many lotteries are there?
How often does that happen?
tony hinchcliffe
That's a great question.
joe rogan
So that money's just coming in.
And so you're just, the government is basically a casino.
And they get the best cut of any casino.
They can't lose.
It's not like you can win and the house pays you.
Get the fuck out of here.
That was the money that came from all you people throwing your money into this thing.
And then we get paid!
They get paid an enormous amount.
Imagine if you're running for president and you said, the government never taxes you on your winnings!
No more lottery!
unidentified
Fuck!
joe rogan
They didn't play!
unidentified
You put your hard-earned money into that pot!
brian redban
JFK 2, coming this summer.
joe rogan
Can you imagine how quick they'd kill you if you tried to take away that lottery money?
brian redban
Yeah.
joe rogan
That's a lot of money.
How many times do they have a $169 million payout like that?
What is a Powerball?
How often does that take place?
tony hinchcliffe
There's a bunch of different ones too, right?
joe rogan
Twice a week!
tony hinchcliffe
Is there just one Powerball?
jamie vernon
There's Powerball and there's Mega Millions.
They alternate.
It's like Tuesday, Friday, Wednesday, Saturday, or something like that.
brian redban
That big one, the biggest lottery payout ever that just happened, there's a guy saying that he stole it from him.
unidentified
So there's this whole controversy about that.
joe rogan
Well, if you were a crazy person and you decided that someone stole it from you, all you'd have to do is accuse him of it, and the next thing you know, you're in court.
And you're in court with some fucking guy dressed like Robert William Aprivao.
That was mine.
brian redban
Rest in peace.
joe rogan
On my front porch.
I remember it.
brian redban
Rest in peace.
joe rogan
He died?
brian redban
Yeah.
tony hinchcliffe
Last week.
joe rogan
Oh, no.
God damn it.
I wouldn't use him as a reference.
I loved that guy.
brian redban
His uncle or whatever found him, though, and I guess he was sitting there with a big smile on his face, so that was positive.
joe rogan
He was a fun guy.
He was a nice guy.
Never shake hands.
Never shake hands.
Couldn't even give him knuckles.
He was not interested in anything like that.
brian redban
He would always send me messages about you and, like, Texas and stuff like that, like, random things.
joe rogan
Well, I used to protect him from the goons.
brian redban
Yep.
joe rogan
The goons would always pick on him because he was, like, such an odd guy.
I was like, leave him alone, man.
He's a nice guy.
He's just...
brian redban
You're one of the few, I just found this out, that, like, Brian Moses, me, you, are one of the few that he actually talked normal to.
joe rogan
Oh, I had conversations with him about marijuana, because he was a marijuana advocate, and he was an attorney at one point in time in his life.
He just had a mental health breakdown.
I don't know the extent of it.
He didn't talk about it in depth, but I loved that guy.
He was a good guy.
I would always have a smile for him when I saw him.
I was always happy to see him.
We always talked.
Even briefly, he would ask me about marijuana questions.
So he just wanted to talk, make sure you still like him, you're cool with him.
He was just an odd guy.
And then he would go on stage, and he was pretty funny, man.
He'd make me laugh.
He would kind of do the same act forever.
But I saw that act, dude, in like 95. Yeah.
I saw that act back in the day.
He was around for a long time.
And he would have to walk home when it was raining out, and he would take his shirts, because he wore the same shirt every day, and he would stuff plastic bags inside all the linings and cover everything with plastic bags.
That's how he stayed dry while he was walking home.
He walked home.
He lived in a flophouse in downtown.
And so he would walk home.
It was like a fucking hour and a half walk.
brian redban
Yeah, just more.
joe rogan
Yeah, probably more.
Yeah, he'd do it every night.
Every time he went there.
tony hinchcliffe
So many wild characters would gravitate towards that place.
joe rogan
Oh my god, so many crazy people.
So many just full-on nutters.
Robert William Apovaya!
unidentified
There he is.
brian redban
Boone Shakalaka also supposedly passed.
joe rogan
Rest in peace, Boone.
You sold me a lot of lighters.
brian redban
I know.
Half my wardrobe.
joe rogan
Yeah, Boone was always selling stuff.
Come by with records and shit.
I know people who bought good records from him.
tony hinchcliffe
He had a laptop once, and I really needed one.
I was like, brand new.
I was poor as hell.
I'm like, what do I have to do to get this laptop, Boone?
He's like, why don't you show me your dick?
And I swear to God, I'm like, look, Boone, that's gay as hell, but I need a laptop.
I'm in a pool because I was wearing like sweatpants at the time.
I'm like, just peek over here.
Come on, you son of a bitch.
I'll give you one glance.
Get over here.
And he peeked over.
I showed him.
I take the laptop.
I go, I plug it in.
And it was broken as hell.
unidentified
That story has been passed around so many times, I've never heard you actually talk about it.
joe rogan
Yeah, if I was with you, I'd say, hey, plug it in first.
tony hinchcliffe
Yeah.
joe rogan
Plug it in first.
You can't trust a laptop you buy off of a homeless guy.
tony hinchcliffe
That wants to see your dick that badly.
I want one thing and one thing only.
I want to see that dick.
joe rogan
There's Boom.
Boom chakalaka.
Boone's another character that was around for 25 years, at least.
Maybe more.
I remember when he first started hanging around.
It was weird.
tony hinchcliffe
Every single night he was there.
joe rogan
There was this Russian dude who always sold lighters, too.
You remember that guy?
brian redban
Yes, Monkey Balls.
I saw him right before I moved here.
joe rogan
Dude, that guy used to have the craziest lighters.
He'd sell you a lighter, and you'd press the button, and it would be like a girl's figure, and her bikini would light up in different colors.
brian redban
He used to buy so many of those.
I have two of them still somewhere.
joe rogan
Oh, I wish I had them still.
I loved them.
brian redban
Yeah.
joe rogan
Because he just always had like a box of them.
He was like selling lighters.
He would come around.
He wasn't a comic.
Just a guy would hang around and sell lighters.
tony hinchcliffe
I never met Monkey Balls.
brian redban
Yeah, he stopped hanging around Mencia days.
joe rogan
He moved on to Greener Pastures.
brian redban
He was outside of the, what's that, diner down the street.
That's where he hangs now.
joe rogan
Oh, does he?
brian redban
Yeah.
tony hinchcliffe
Mel's.
joe rogan
Yeah.
brian redban
He hangs at Mel's now.
joe rogan
Wow.
unidentified
Is that him?
brian redban
No.
joe rogan
No, who's that cat?
jamie vernon
I don't know, somebody named Monkey Balls.
joe rogan
Oh, another dude named Monkey Balls?
unidentified
No.
joe rogan
Oh, well, our guy wasn't a comic.
brian redban
No.
joe rogan
Our guy was just a dude.
brian redban
Very nice guy.
joe rogan
That would just hang out there.
Yeah.
brian redban
Well, he's had cigarettes, too.
You could buy cigarettes from him.
joe rogan
Oh, really?
brian redban
He sold cigarettes?
Yeah, he always had a suitcase of everything.
joe rogan
That's hilarious.
It's such a weird fucking place.
And the fact that it was on Sunset too, like Sunset's such a weird place.
There's just so many hopes and dreams and it's like there was a thing about that club that no other club will ever be able to recreate.
And that thing was that like that was our legitimate launching pad.
Everybody knew that if you could get there, and if you could make it there, you could actually make it as a comic.
There was this one place where it was just universally regarded as an epicenter of some of the all-time greats.
Universally regarded and that it was in Hollywood and it was back at the time where that meant like you'd be in films and you'd be on television and it was like that stand-up was like a Pathway to all these other insane worlds that Robin Williams was in now, you know It was just a different place.
There's no place ever gonna be like that No matter what we could do in Austin, it's going to be a different vibe.
brian redban
No, I don't think so.
You could redo it at that club, man.
It has so much magic.
You could already feel the magic.
joe rogan
You don't redo it, though.
You do a new thing.
brian redban
Right.
joe rogan
You do a new thing.
brian redban
Right.
joe rogan
But that thing, that one thing, part of that thing, the lack of organization, the way it was so chaotic, that's some of the beauty of that thing.
tony hinchcliffe
Right.
joe rogan
Some of the beauty of that thing was the nuttiness of it, that people would be hanging out in the back, smoking weed until 4.30 in the morning, just talking and laughing.
You know, and then I'll see you tomorrow and then it was we'll see you tomorrow and we'd come back the next day and it was it was a Party as much as it was like a great place to perform.
tony hinchcliffe
It was a great place to hang out with comics Yeah, it really by design the patio that wrapped around was insane like what an architectural monstrosity for artists and creativity like Because that's it.
You're hanging out outside.
We know the weather's 80 degrees.
It was built for that.
Perfectly.
brian redban
It used to be, before all the blizzards.
joe rogan
The blizzards!
Yeah, it rained like crazy in LA, right?
brian redban
Yeah, and snowed.
Did it snow in LA? It sleeted and hailed, so pretty much, kind of.
But Burbank, the mountains in Burbank, all snow-covered.
It was weird.
joe rogan
It snowed once back in the day.
It was beautiful.
I was running with my dogs, and I was running in the hills.
And as we were running, I was like, what is going on?
This is crazy.
And snow was falling.
I'm like, this is fucking nuts.
And I didn't even have a cell phone back then.
Or I didn't have a cell phone camera back then.
I wasn't running with one.
tony hinchcliffe
Someone told me that it snowed in Miami yesterday.
brian redban
Yeah.
joe rogan
No shit.
brian redban
How is that possible?
joe rogan
Snowed in Miami?
tony hinchcliffe
That's what I heard.
brian redban
That's fucked up shit.
joe rogan
Bro.
Yeah, it's like the day after tomorrow type shit.
Remember that stupid movie?
brian redban
Have you been watching that new show?
joe rogan
Yes.
brian redban
Oh my god, it looks so good.
tony hinchcliffe
Yesterday.
I don't know.
jamie vernon
It didn't just jump up to 85 degrees.
tony hinchcliffe
It does that here.
jamie vernon
Wait a minute.
joe rogan
No, it didn't snow in Miami, bro.
You're on the wrong TikTok.
brian redban
We're both getting duped by TikTok.
joe rogan
TikTok show in Michigan.
Like, look what's happening to Miami.
And it gets 500 million views.
And the Chinese are laughing at us.
jamie vernon
I don't know.
joe rogan
Yeah, you're in a bad algorithm, kid.
tony hinchcliffe
Damn.
jamie vernon
Sorry.
joe rogan
I'm not even on the TikTok.
You on TikTok?
jamie vernon
No.
brian redban
It's good for laying in bed right before you sleep.
joe rogan
It's good for them finding exactly where you are at all times.
tony hinchcliffe
Yeah, and everything about you.
joe rogan
It's good for them knowing every password you've ever devised.
It's good for knowing what two-factor authentication app you use and what your password to that is.
tony hinchcliffe
Speaking of which, they finally announced three years later that it was a lab leak out of Wuhan.
The Wall Street Journal.
brian redban
Everyone knew that.
unidentified
Crazy.
joe rogan
New York Times, too.
Yeah.
Crazy.
Yeah.
Duh.
tony hinchcliffe
After we knew that.
unidentified
Yeah.
jamie vernon
Well, the energy department said it, which is a little weird.
joe rogan
It's weird.
You know what it's like?
It's like they're leaking it out slowly so that it's not something that they can never say they figured out.
Like, if they deny it, deny it, deny it, and then it gets to this overwhelming part where everybody realizes it came out of there.
Then it looks horrible.
So you just have to like slowly do it.
Do it through the energy.
The energy department is such a weird department to do that through.
Maybe they did the cover up for the Sam Britton thing.
tony hinchcliffe
Yeah, exactly.
joe rogan
So what does it say?
tony hinchcliffe
If anyone knows about a weird leak, it's probably that lady.
joe rogan
Energy department finds COVID-19 most likely emerged from lab leak.
Reports say what we know.
Wow.
Pretty crazy.
Because that's the official government now.
I mean, it's like they must have gotten approval to do that, right?
It's not like there's some rogue agents at the Department of Energy.
It's like, I know what I'm gonna fucking do!
I'm gonna let everybody know where this virus came from!
unidentified
No, that guy's got a boss.
joe rogan
It's fucking crazy, dude.
It's really weird.
It's really weird that the truth slowly but surely comes out about all this stuff.
tony hinchcliffe
Right.
joe rogan
You know?
And I think that's what's gonna happen with Palestine.
tony hinchcliffe
Yeah.
jamie vernon
Looking into it, it says with low confidence they have concluded.
joe rogan
Yeah.
I don't know what that means, but they're saying it.
You know, I don't know what they mean by low confidence.
If you talk to biologists, like when Brett Weinstein has broken down why he believes it was a manipulated virus, he's saying that because he's a biologist who studied coronaviruses from bats.
He actually studied the very animal that he's talking about.
So when he explains why this doesn't make sense and why this, like, the structure of the thing has been altered, and when he's doing it, he's doing it from a very scientific perspective.
And when you hear that, like, it's, duh.
And he said that at the early days.
And it got him in trouble with YouTube.
It got him in trouble with a lot of his friends.
A lot of people got really crazy about it.
They thought that saying that it was from a lab connected it to China, which connected it to Trump saying it came from China, which was bad.
Because Trump called it the China virus and everybody was like, that's racist.
And so even if you connect it to that, If you're wrong, like, if you're wrong about that, like, if you're the one that's saying, hey, this is a lab leak and it's not a lab leak and you're shaming those people, people get very upset at you.
So you have to be really fucking clear before you say it came from China for sure, from a lab.
And then when you find out that maybe the United States had a little bit involved in funding that type of research, you're like, what?
tony hinchcliffe
Right.
Crazy.
unidentified
What?
The FBI said they confirmed it with moderate confidence in 2021. Yeah, so the FBI says it too.
joe rogan
Moderate confidence in 2021, and that's a lot better than low confidence.
Moderate confidence is like, yeah, I'm pretty sure.
Four other federal agencies have concluded the pandemic began from natural transmission, and two agencies are undecided.
Oh, okay, so there's an ideological dispute within the agencies.
I wonder what the other agencies that think it's coming from natural selection.
I wonder what their evidence is.
Because it doesn't seem like there's a lot of evidence that points in that direction.
tony hinchcliffe
What wild the coincidence would be if it started from that in Wuhan, which had a coronavirus lab.
joe rogan
So weird!
tony hinchcliffe
What are the odds?
joe rogan
Remember when Jon Stewart went on Colbert and had that whole rant about it coming from the lab and Colbert tried to step all over it?
tony hinchcliffe
Right.
joe rogan
Ugh!
Ugh!
Did you hear Woody Harrelson on SNL? Did you see that immediately after Woody Harrelson had that monologue on SNL where he's joking around about a drug company forcing you to take their drug?
Right after it, the next day, there's all these hit pieces.
Like they were timed.
There's a hit piece in Vox.
There's a hit piece in Vanity Fair.
There's a hit piece calling him an anti-vaxxer and a stoner.
brian redban
Sucked on cheers.
joe rogan
Conspiracy theories.
He's pushing conspiracy theories.
No, no, no, no.
That's not what he's doing.
He's a joke monologue on SNL about something that makes people laugh.
Because you can kind of make a weird comparison to those two.
That's the only reason why the joke works.
The only reason why it works is because people are thinking it.
So for you guys to come out and say, oh, conspiracy theories, no, it's jokes about a possible conspiracy theory.
And the one that he's describing, it's not even a real one.
He's making a joke about what the real one was like.
Maybe not the best joke.
Maybe not the best delivery.
It's SNL. But the fact that that got this immediate response where all these people defend the pharmaceutical companies.
They're all jumping in and defending them.
Like in unison, they're all anti-vaxxer, stoner.
You know, instead of saying it sucked, instead of saying, hey, stick to acting, you know, it's like they all wanted to jump in to defend the vaccine.
They all wanted to jump in to defend the pharmaceutical companies from this anti-vaxxer, stoner actor who's talking.
It's just interesting that they all take that route.
I get criticized in the monologue, but all taking that route.
That's an anti-vax conspiracy theory.
Like, is it?
No, he's joking about a way things went down.
tony hinchcliffe
Yeah.
joe rogan
Like, there's a lot to what he's saying, like, forcing you to take their drug.
Like, that kind of was happening.
And if you weren't getting forced, you were certainly getting coerced.
You were getting urged on by the government.
tony hinchcliffe
There was probably a commercial for a medicine right after that.
joe rogan
Probably right away.
Right away.
It's not like they're not spending money on all this stuff.
Like, why are we pretending?
And so when he makes that joke and he talks about them buying all the media And then all the media responds as if they've been bought and paid for.
unidentified
That's pretty wild.
joe rogan
There's so many articles written about them, like right away.
I was like, this is crazy.
tony hinchcliffe
I always look at both sides and CNN had it, but also CNN is owned by the same company that owns SNL. So it's tricky because they don't want to make them look bad.
But they, you know...
Angled it like it was him.
joe rogan
Yeah.
tony hinchcliffe
Even though what we know is that these scripts are approved days in advance.
joe rogan
Yeah, they had to prove that unless he went out and Dave Chappelle'd it.
tony hinchcliffe
Yeah, he didn't.
joe rogan
Dave had two different monologues.
Dave ran one monologue by everybody and killed.
And they're like, this is great.
unidentified
Then he goes out and does a whole separate one.
joe rogan
God bless him.
God bless him.
If Woody Harrelson did that, God bless him.
But, you know, look, the fact that everybody jumped in like that was just very interesting.
I know the reporters, and I know they have to report on things, and I know that's a good snarky way to get people to read your article.
But, like, that seems coordinated.
tony hinchcliffe
It's a rough one, too, because Woody Harrelson's a badass motherfucker, so it's like someone that's hard to attack.
I mean, everything he's done is great.
He's so undeniable, so cool.
Even his delivery of the thing that wasn't that funny, but purposeful, kind of, is a...
It was good.
joe rogan
Yeah, it was good.
Especially for a guy who's not a comic.
He's doing stand-up, essentially.
He's doing a monologue.
tony hinchcliffe
Truly one of the best comedic actors.
joe rogan
Oh my god, man.
tony hinchcliffe
Kingpin?
joe rogan
Kingpin is amazing.
brian redban
I just rewatched that.
joe rogan
Kingpin is amazing.
tony hinchcliffe
Oh my god.
joe rogan
God damn, that movie's funny.
tony hinchcliffe
He's throwing up every time he pictures her.
joe rogan
That's the Farrelly brothers.
brian redban
Yeah.
joe rogan
Oh my god.
I think that might be their best one.
That and Something About Mary.
unidentified
Something About Mary is amazing.
tony hinchcliffe
I worked with him.
I punched up a script for him.
Peter?
Yeah, for a new Amazon thing that came out a few years ago.
I can't even remember the name of it.
Anyway, and I told him that, and it was like a moment, you know what I mean, where I had this thing loaded up, and I go, Kingpin, by the way, I mean, I think that should have had an Oscar without a doubt.
And he goes, I've always thought the same thing.
joe rogan
Is that good?
tony hinchcliffe
He goes, I've always thought it was my best work.
He has it above Dumb and Dumber, too.
joe rogan
Oh, yeah, it's definitely better than that.
Kingpin is like, it's on another level.
unidentified
Mm-hmm.
joe rogan
It's one of the best comedy movies of all time, for sure.
tony hinchcliffe
And it's got Showdown in it.
Electric Light Orchestra.
That final scene where Bill Murray's hair is slowly fucking going crazy.
I mean, that's the thing.
When we're in the green room.
Yeah.
joe rogan
No, tell people, when we're in the green room, that's the song we listen to.
tony hinchcliffe
Oh, yeah.
All around the world.
unidentified
The O2 Arena, MSG. This is the comb over when it's flying around.
joe rogan
Oh, my God.
And the fact that it's about bowling.
brian redban
Yeah, and Amish.
joe rogan
It's amazing!
brian redban
It made me want to have a bowling alley in my house, though.
When I saw that movie, I was like, that's my dream!
joe rogan
How many people went bowling after they saw that?
Fucking everybody.
tony hinchcliffe
And he's got the comb over, too.
They make it like it's a bowling thing where these guys just are trying to keep their hair that they don't have.
joe rogan
It's amazing.
tony hinchcliffe
They're making fun of everything.
joe rogan
Dude, so good.
Such a good movie.
It's so funny, man.
When he has to have sex with the landlady because he can't afford the rent.
And then he's throwing up.
brian redban
You know, she's the same girl in Something About Mary that laid that tan too much.
joe rogan
Oh, is that the same lady?
brian redban
Yeah, same lady.
joe rogan
Oh my god, that's hilarious.
tony hinchcliffe
Isn't she in something, Happy Gilmore or something, too?
brian redban
She's in something else, I think.
tony hinchcliffe
I feel like she's like...
joe rogan
I'm sure.
I'm sure she is.
brian redban
She looks so much better than...
joe rogan
She was in Insidious.
Oh my god.
She's in the whole Insidious movie.
unidentified
Wow.
brian redban
Franchise.
joe rogan
One, two, three.
I didn't know there was that many of them.
What's Insidious about?
brian redban
I don't know.
joe rogan
How do I not know this?
brian redban
I've never heard of it.
jamie vernon
I think it's about those people.
We talked about it with Sam and Colby, but there's this couple that did a bunch of these stories, and they've made movies out of all of their interactions almost.
joe rogan
Oh, so this is all like Poltergeist movies?
jamie vernon
I think.
unidentified
She's a lead in it.
Hmm.
jamie vernon
Yeah, she plays the badass lady who's not afraid of this.
joe rogan
Interesting.
brian redban
That's so weird.
joe rogan
And so this Insidious franchise, how long has that been going on for?
jamie vernon
A couple years for sure.
I've seen one, two of them maybe.
joe rogan
Are they good?
jamie vernon
Not awful.
joe rogan
There you go.
unidentified
33%.
joe rogan
It's a good little scary movie.
jamie vernon
You've got to be into those scary kind of movies or whatever.
It's not a comedy.
It's not a drama.
joe rogan
Yo, you know what I saw recently that was really wild?
Smile.
Have you seen Smile?
brian redban
Yeah.
Dude.
joe rogan
It's fucking creepy.
It's a horror movie.
But it's good, dude.
tony hinchcliffe
Yeah.
joe rogan
It's good.
There's something really fucking creepy about it.
jamie vernon
The marketing they did during the summer was crazy.
They had people showing up at different sporting events, getting on camera, just standing there smiling for, like, nine innings of a baseball game.
joe rogan
Oh, Jesus Christ.
unidentified
That's a good way to get the fuck beating out of you.
tony hinchcliffe
That's scary.
joe rogan
Yeah, that's a good way to get the fuck beating out of you in the wrong place.
Try that shit in Philadelphia.
Oh my God, that's not good.
That's so crazy that they did that.
tony hinchcliffe
You know that black lady's like, what the hell?
Oh my god.
joe rogan
Oh, that's so scary.
Dude, if you see that movie, that's fucking scary.
If you see that movie, that is scary.
I'm telling you, people smiling ain't scary.
jamie vernon
Oh, I don't have it on the screen, sorry.
She's just sitting in a rain delay by herself.
joe rogan
Oh, Jesus Christ.
What the fuck is this creepy ass shit at the Yankees game?
Bro, that would freak me the fuck out.
Imagine if you had anxiety, and you just got way too high, and you go to the...
brian redban
Yeah, that would freak me the fuck out.
joe rogan
You go to the game, and there's a lady sitting there smiling.
You know how bad you...
If you were on acid, and that happened...
tony hinchcliffe
Dude, I had a fucking mushroom cap last Monday after a show, went to see some music, and that's how I felt.
It was like that.
I had a weird one.
I had a weird little...
It was a dark little fucking...
I'm not doing mushrooms after hosting Kill Tony anymore.
I learned a weird thing.
My brain's too, like, open and stuff.
joe rogan
Also, like, you're probably tired.
tony hinchcliffe
Yeah.
Exhausted.
joe rogan
Yeah.
tony hinchcliffe
Yeah, completely.
joe rogan
You're thinking about going to sleep, and then all of a sudden, Mushroom's like, nope.
tony hinchcliffe
Right.
joe rogan
No sleeping.
Contemplate humanity.
tony hinchcliffe
Yeah.
joe rogan
Contemplate your existence.
tony hinchcliffe
Yeah.
joe rogan
Contemplate your place in time.
tony hinchcliffe
Yeah.
No more mushrooms on a Monday for Tony.
joe rogan
Experience all these life forms.
Trying to make their way through this realm.
When you're out in public and you're Truman, it's just such a strange feeling.
unidentified
Yeah.
brian redban
I don't like it.
tony hinchcliffe
I don't like it.
I've been, you know, the cool thing about moving to LA so young is that I had so many of those great Joshua Tree trips.
And that's where I started.
And I'm like, this is great.
I'm laughing.
I can do this.
joe rogan
That's one thing that, like, Oregon's figured out before California has.
They made that legal up there.
unidentified
Yeah.
tony hinchcliffe
Yeah, I read a thing about how legalized prostitution lowers rapes and sexual crimes by an insane percentage.
This is a new thing that just came out.
joe rogan
I think legalized prostitution, if we were living in a place that had legalized prostitution always, it had always existed, I think we would all be pretty cool with it.
I know that sounds crazy because you don't want your daughter, your sister, your mother to do that, but I think that, okay, while prostitution itself is legal, many activities associated with it, such as brothels, soliciting in a public place, and pimping are illegal.
Prostitution Bill 2011 was introduced to regulate the industry and allow brothels in non-residential areas.
Where is this at?
Australia.
Oh, Australia has rules like that.
Yeah, that's like Jim Jeffries had a joke about that, about his dad going to the brothel.
But it's like when there's something like that has always existed, I think people would just, it would just be a normal thing.
But when you try to make something legal that is illegal, people think their whole life of something is being a terrible thing and it's illegal.
Shouldn't be able to do it.
And so we have it in our head that it's a terrible thing.
Because it does have terrible consequences for some people.
Like prostitution must have bad consequences for some people.
And being involved with people intimately that you don't even know for cash.
brian redban
It's dangerous.
joe rogan
It's weird.
It's like as much as we want to think that it's just like getting a massage, it's a little bit more.
It's a little weirder.
It's like someone's not just rubbing you to make you feel better.
They're sexually pleasuring you.
Should it be illegal?
Why would it be illegal when it's legal to just have sex with someone for free?
Like, gold digging's legal.
You could fuck some old rich guy and steal his money.
That's legal.
Like, why shouldn't you be allowed to make a deal with a person?
Like, you want a blowjob?
I want a thousand dollars.
b-real
Like, that, to me, seems like a normal human right.
joe rogan
Whether you want to do it or not, both people are consenting.
I think it's out of our hands.
It should be out of everybody's hands.
If two people agree, and one person says, like, hey, I'll help you move your couch, but I want 50 bucks.
And you're like, okay, help me move the couch inside, I'll give you 50 bucks.
It's a deal.
Like, your friend, some neighbor, whatever, makes a deal with you.
If you say, hey, you need 50 bucks, I want to come in your mouth.
What do you think?
And he's like, alright.
Nobody's gonna care about that.
Nobody gives a fuck about male prostitution.
Zero people care.
Zero concern for the male prostitutes.
Fucking zero.
How many guys are out there worried about all the guys that are blowing gay guys for cash?
Fucking zero people are worried about it.
Right?
jamie vernon
What's the filming at loophole then?
joe rogan
The filming at loophole is that if you're doing pornography, you could pay someone for cash.
jamie vernon
What if it's a private collection of pornography?
joe rogan
Yes, you can do that.
There is a loophole, apparently.
There was some girl who used to tell people that at the comedy store.
She'd tell people that, yeah, if we do it on camera, you could pay me for sex.
tony hinchcliffe
And if you take them to dinner first.
joe rogan
Crazy crackhead.
Yeah, but if, yeah, you could, if you think about, like, Gold digging is a fascinating thing when you see it so clear when it's like really obvious that this you know 26 year old bombshells dating an 80 year old billionaire like it's hilarious like but this is a deal There's a deal like he has access to incredible resources so much wealth things you couldn't possibly imagine But you gotta suck that old dick.
tony hinchcliffe
What did you what was the old Anna Nicole?
joe rogan
Oh, yeah, yeah J Howard Marshall.
Yeah He's 90. I'm like, don't you think he knows?
He made a billion dollars from scratch.
He knows the fuck he's doing.
brian redban
He's like Leonardo DiCaprio is going to be eventually.
joe rogan
Yeah, Leo's pushing it.
He's pushing it.
He might want to settle down soon.
It's starting to get weird.
But it's like, that's legal.
We all agree that's legal.
But if he just say it, like, flat out to her, I'll pay you for sex, that's illegal.
Which is really interesting.
Like, it has to be some sort of a weird thing, where he gives her money because he loves her, but, you know, you know what I'm saying?
tony hinchcliffe
Yeah, it's crazy.
joe rogan
It's a little odd.
It's a little odd because, like, you can't go to, like, the 26-year-old that marries the 80-year-old billionaire and go, hey, do you really love him?
What the fuck are you doing?
You can't, like, grill her.
Are you committing a crime here, young lady?
Are you swindling this poor old Alzheimer's patient out of all his money by blowing him?
Like, what's going on here?
But nobody would stop that.
Zero people stop that.
Maybe the family.
Maybe the family that thought this young floozy is going to take all the loot.
tony hinchcliffe
Oh yeah.
joe rogan
That happens.
For sure that happens.
tony hinchcliffe
Oh, they must be scared to death when an animal walks in.
joe rogan
If you're like an old billionaire dude, you do not get a hot nurse.
Not a chance.
Not a fucking chance.
The wife is never going to let a hot nurse in the house.
Get the fuck out of here.
That hot nurse is going to be working on this dude going, listen, your wife's kind of a cunt.
unidentified
You know?
tony hinchcliffe
Yeah, here's two black rhinos.
Yeah, let's go!
joe rogan
I'll lock that door.
Let's go!
How much time you got left, Harry?
Come on.
I'm your nurse, I'll tell you.
Not much.
Not a lot of time.
Let's fuck!
Just buy me a house.
Harry, buy me a house.
That's probably what she says when she sticks it in.
Harry, buy me a house.
jamie vernon
This is a very generic website, but is this real?
joe rogan
Datebillionaire.com?
brian redban
Yeah, it's real.
joe rogan
The largest billionaire dating site online?
unidentified
It is.
joe rogan
Oh my god.
Datebillionaire.com.
jamie vernon
Who's it for?
The billionaires?
joe rogan
Billionaire dating site, date billionaires on datebillionaire.com.
Welcome to datebillionaire.com, the most professional dating site for billionaire men and beautiful women.
jamie vernon
What about billionaire women?
joe rogan
Listen to the way that's phrased.
Welcome to datebillionaire.com, the most professional dating site for billionaire men and beautiful women.
Is there some unprofessional dating sites for billionaire men?
I mean, what are they saying?
jamie vernon
Not as easy to use as this.
brian redban
We should sign up for free.
joe rogan
That sounds like someone who doesn't know English that good.
jamie vernon
That's why I thought it was real.
joe rogan
Can I see that again?
tony hinchcliffe
Yeah, that's tricky.
joe rogan
That statement, the way that's phrased, it's like, hey, where did you grow up?
jamie vernon
That's why I think it got...
It is a weird thing, because at the bottom it goes to this, like, sugar daddy sites.
brian redban
Yeah, it's almost like a porn.
joe rogan
Bro, this is like one of them Nigerian cats that set up this fishing net.
tony hinchcliffe
I just got a virus.
joe rogan
Yeah, you just got a virus clicking on that.
Yeah, that's one of them scams.
Those scams are beautiful when you get those fucking emails telling you that you have millions of dollars waiting.
All you have to do is give us your PIN number.
jamie vernon
Have you heard of the...
It's been going on before the AI stuff, but people get called and they'll say that it sounds like someone they know, a child, whatever it is.
I'm kidnapped.
You need to send this person money.
To the person on the phone that's getting this call, it sounds 100% real.
I've read a lot of cases about this.
joe rogan
Oh, well, think about that now with AI. Yeah.
Oh, my God.
jamie vernon
Their first call is not to a family member to be like, is this person really kidnapped?
Do you know where they are?
Geolocation, anything like that.
They send money.
It's happened a lot.
joe rogan
You're not going to be able to know.
You're not going to be able to know.
brian redban
Well, that Joe Roat thing that you were supposedly selling those supplements, that AI thing.
joe rogan
Oh, yeah, yeah, yeah.
There's one of those.
brian redban
That was pretty real.
joe rogan
It's a deep, fake one.
Yeah, me and Huberman.
And then there's another one with me doing a podcast with Steve Jobs.
brian redban
Yes, that sounds awesome.
joe rogan
It's like a full podcast.
brian redban
I love that.
That's actually really funny.
joe rogan
How long is the Steve Jobs Me podcast?
I think it's like 14 minutes or something.
tony hinchcliffe
Can you imagine if we had Richard Pryor as a guest on Kill Tony?
joe rogan
Oh my god.
It would be more of a guest on a podcast because having a guest on Kill Tony, you'd have to respond to the different comedians.
It'd be too weird.
jamie vernon
There's something I saw yesterday.
joe rogan
Oh my god, it's a fake Conan.
jamie vernon
Conan Diffusion.
It's using a Diffusion app to make Conan, then his guests, and I don't know what it sounds like, Rogan?
unidentified
Yeah, I hear you, but I promise I won't malfunction and start attacking the audience or anything.
Speaking of malfunctioning, let's check out my dance moves.
jamie vernon
I mean, it's not good, but...
unidentified
Yeah, it is.
...every now and then, although I have to say it's a little weird to smoke with a machine.
brian redban
Yeah, I can imagine.
unidentified
But seriously, what can you tell us about your latest project?
joe rogan
I have a horrible feeling about all this.
I have a horrible feeling that we are about to enter an era where you will have no idea what's true.
I have a horrible feeling just watching that.
Just watching that, I was like, that would be a really good way for us to move into some new phase of reality if you had absolutely no idea What was true and what was not.
You had no idea if someone did say that, or if that event actually did take place, or CGI. Can you imagine if there was a bunch of people out there saying that East Palestine was CGI? Morning, only to find that you weigh two pounds less.
Well, I have a theory about that.
unidentified
I think it's because we all have an inner fat man that comes out at night and eats all the snacks.
It's like a secret nighttime binge that we never even knew about.
tony hinchcliffe
His dick just popped out for a second?
unidentified
Yeah, it's odd.
joe rogan
But that's just the beginning, man.
This is like the very first implementations of these.
This is like Pong.
That's what it's like.
We're gonna get the Unreal 4 engine soon, you know, and that's gonna be really weird.
It's gonna be very weird.
You're gonna be able to never have to have an actor ever again.
For every movie you do, you could just do Leonardo DiCaprio when he was 39. You could do that over and over and over and over again.
And no one will be able to tell.
brian redban
Like Bruce Willis.
joe rogan
Yeah.
jamie vernon
This is an alleyway from Hong Kong recreated in Unreal 5. Oh my god.
joe rogan
Unreal 5 is fucking incredible.
Was Unreal 4 the one that we were raving about before?
jamie vernon
No.
joe rogan
That was 5 as well?
jamie vernon
That's 5 we've been talking about for about a year now.
joe rogan
Oh, okay.
So 5 was the one where they had the woman who was running in the cliffs?
jamie vernon
Yep.
They've been updating it, too.
Fuck, it's amazing.
brian redban
They have this shit in VR. Dude, it's so good.
joe rogan
It's so good, it's crazy.
The fact that this is all artificial, sounds are artificial.
jamie vernon
Sounds is the easiest thing, I think, to fake now.
joe rogan
Yeah, but this is crazy, man.
I mean, this is crazy.
It's so photorealistic.
And the fact that these guys have been constantly at this since the 90s.
When was the very first computer game that had a 3D Doom-style engine?
What was the first one?
Was it Castle Wolfenstein?
Castle Wolfenstein was the first one?
jamie vernon
I can't imagine there was one before that, but I don't think there was.
joe rogan
Right, and Castle Wolfenstein was like on one very specific platform, right?
brian redban
It was just PC, I thought.
joe rogan
Was it?
brian redban
I think so.
joe rogan
Why did I think it was like a DOS game or something like that?
jamie vernon
Ten games that came before Wolfenstein, but at least didn't look very good.
Let me see.
joe rogan
So that was the, but that, so that was the first, Doom was the first big one.
Like when Doom, do you know what they came with the name, with the name Doom?
Remember the movie, The Color of Money?
When Tom Cruise goes to the pool hall, and this guy was the local hustler, sees Tom, he's sitting there with a big smile on his face.
He's got a pool cue in his lap.
He goes, what you got in that case, boy?
And he goes, in here?
In here?
And he opens it up and he goes, Doom.
Wow.
brian redban
I've never heard that before.
joe rogan
Yeah.
Play that scene.
It's a dope scene.
It's supposed to be a balabushka, which is like this very famous pool cue.
unidentified
Good game.
Good game.
What you got in there?
In here?
- What are you doing?
- Wow.
- Come on, boy.
Let's play.
- Yeah, let's play.
- Yeah, let's play.
- Come on, boy.
Let's play.
- Yeah, let's play. - Come on, boy.
Let's play.
- Yeah, let's play. - Come on, boy.
Let's play.
tony hinchcliffe
Oh shit.
We're gonna have a lot of fun.
unidentified
What a star!
joe rogan
It's probably the best Tom Cruise movie of all time.
tony hinchcliffe
He's so cool.
joe rogan
The Color of Money rejuvenated pool.
unidentified
Mm-hmm.
joe rogan
That fucking thing made everybody want to be a pool player.
That made me want to play.
tony hinchcliffe
Man.
joe rogan
That fucking movie was great.
He played Vince, this crazy pool hustler that Paul Newman's character, Fast Eddie Felsen, the original character from The Hustler, makes a comeback in the world of pool.
He got knocked out of pool by organized crime and that was the end of the movie The Hustlers that he could never go back to playing again.
tony hinchcliffe
It was a little bit before my time but pool hall junkies hit me right at a cool place fresh out of high school into film The problem with pool all junkies is they can't really play pool.
joe rogan
When you're watching them play pool, you're like, I'm not buying it.
tony hinchcliffe
Right.
joe rogan
When you're watching Tom Cruise play pool, Tom Cruise studied with Mike Siegel.
Mike Siegel, who was also a left-hander, like Tom Cruise is, Mike Siegel taught Tom Cruise how to play pool.
Like, he taught him how to stroke through the ball.
He taught him how to get down on the shot and look like a professional pool player.
Like, you look at him play, and it's a little stiff.
Like, I'm not totally buying it, because I watch a lot of professional pool, but he can play.
Like, you can see he knows how to run out.
He's moving the ball around correctly.
When you're watching Pool Hall Junkies, it's like, eh, get the fuck out of here.
brian redban
That's sick.
tony hinchcliffe
Cast is great, though.
joe rogan
It's just, as a pool player, it's like...
There's only a couple of movies where they did pool correctly.
And the real ones are The Color of Money and The Hustler.
tony hinchcliffe
Yeah.
joe rogan
It's one of those things where you can't fake whether or not you can do it good.
It looks weird if you're faking it.
Like, if you don't really know how to play pool and you're down on a shot, you look all fucking goofy and shit.
Someone can tell right away.
So there's got to be something you do that's like that, right?
tony hinchcliffe
Kind of.
I was playing with David Lucas.
I mentioned this to you.
I was playing with David Lucas.
joe rogan
You said David plays good, you said.
tony hinchcliffe
He plays so good.
We were in Houston and we went to a pool hall both nights after all the shows.
And he doesn't get down at all.
We were literally laughing.
Nick was making jokes.
He's like one of those old Wild West movies where they just sling the guns out.
Because he doesn't bend over, but he's got a fucking stroke.
I couldn't believe it.
joe rogan
A lot of big guys don't bend over.
tony hinchcliffe
Right.
joe rogan
Yeah, like if you watch one of the this like the guy named Steve Mizorak He's like one of the greatest of all time and he was a big guy especially later in his life.
He did those I think they're Bud Light commercials Some light beer commercial and it was him like doing trick shots on a pool table and he was a you know multiple-time world champion and In this one, he wasn't too big.
Like you could see, he's a big guy.
But see how he doesn't get down on the ball like a smaller pool player would.
Like a guy who's not.
See, there he is when he's very heavy late in life.
If you go to that picture right there where you see him right there, that's what he looked like later in life.
So he got very, very big.
He was still an amazing pool player, even as big as he was and as hard as it must have been to move around the table when you watched that guy move the ball around you.
Like, holy shit.
He was a master.
It was like he had this control of where that ball was going.
It's just beautiful to watch.
That's why you can't fake in like a Pool Hall Junkies movie.
unidentified
Right.
joe rogan
You can't fake that.
So like if you're telling me this guy's the killer player and I watch him bang balls around.
tony hinchcliffe
Right.
joe rogan
It's like, get out of here.
tony hinchcliffe
My Instagram algorithm's been showing me crazy pool shit.
I saw a guy make every ball on a break.
joe rogan
It's not real.
tony hinchcliffe
It's not real?
joe rogan
No.
tony hinchcliffe
Damn.
brian redban
I just get breastfeeding videos all the time.
unidentified
Whoa.
joe rogan
Like they all these breastfeeding videos with like really like tick tocky like sexy girls breastfeeding I've been just that's hilarious lighting my it's all sure somewhere someone must have once made all the balls on the break I'm sure but when you're watching those balls go on the break one thing that's disturbing to me is that they all seem to be kind of moving in around the same speed That doesn't usually happen This one's not real.
unidentified
No way.
joe rogan
Yeah.
See, they're all...
Well, the last one was kind of slow.
But I just don't think it's real.
She's hot.
I think it's fake.
jamie vernon
Look at it.
How'd they move again?
brian redban
Oh, no.
Look at that right there.
jamie vernon
Yeah, watch.
None of those balls just move again.
Boom.
brian redban
Yeah.
joe rogan
Yeah.
Yeah, you can see some shit.
tony hinchcliffe
It's missing frame 3-1-3.
brian redban
Yeah.
joe rogan
They shot all those balls in the holes and filmed them going in.
But anyway...
brian redban
You've been playing pool a lot locally.
I saw some pool players saying that you stopped in.
joe rogan
No, I just went to watch.
They had the Texas Open in town.
That guy, Fedor Gorst, who was on the podcast before, I went to watch him play.
I just wanted to stop in for a little bit, but it's a long-ass pool tournament that goes on all day.
Why are you showing me people breastfeeding?
jamie vernon
Oh, no!
joe rogan
What?
brian redban
It's on my feed, too.
joe rogan
That's your feed?
jamie vernon
You got breastfeeding on your feed?
joe rogan
Why are you getting breastfeeding on your feed?
jamie vernon
It's a lot of weird...
unidentified
I have never had a breastfeeding video.
brian redban
Are you serious?
joe rogan
Jamie, what's going on with you?
jamie vernon
It's a lot of...
Instagram turned into porn.
It really did.
tony hinchcliffe
No, we didn't.
This is because you guys are watching this shit and clicking on it and putting your little waiver over it and all the things.
joe rogan
A lot of Liver King stuff in there, son.
Is that Natty Liver King?
Is that what that's supposed to be?
Wait, is that him, Natty?
brian redban
Yes.
I don't know.
There's a loophole where they're allowed to show breastfeeding videos on YouTube and stuff.
jamie vernon
There's weird stuff.
joe rogan
Yeah.
brian redban
Did you hear about that YouTuber that just got 10 years for it?
joe rogan
What happened?
brian redban
She lost her job and she started putting out videos of her breastfeeding on YouTube because YouTube has this law.
If it's educational, you're allowed to show breasts, like Brazilian wax or whatever.
And so she found out about that and started doing...
Like, I'm a dirty slut mom, and then pouring oil over the baby and her while doing it.
She just got sentenced to 10 years, but she blew up.
unidentified
Oh my god.
tony hinchcliffe
Which is the charge.
joe rogan
Child endangerment, abuse.
If you're doing that with your kid, Jesus Christ.
What does it say?
Facing additional charges.
So what does it say she did?
brian redban
Uh...
joe rogan
One count connected a series of sexualized breastfeeding videos involving her young son.
Oh, sexualized.
tony hinchcliffe
Young son.
brian redban
Yeah, like putting oil on it and like, with captions like, I'm a dirty slut mom.
joe rogan
Oh no.
brian redban
And shit like that.
joe rogan
That's crazy.
37 new counts of aggravated possession of child pornography stem from the videos which were sold online included footage of Felton Breastfeeding a toddler and sometimes involved her rubbing oil on herself and the child and other sexual acts depict child pornography investigators say fuck Damn.
Dude, again, there's crazy people out there.
There's crazy people out there.
And if that one's your mom, like, oh my god.
Oh my god.
Imagine growing up to find out your mom was doing that while you were a baby.
tony hinchcliffe
Yeah.
joe rogan
I wonder why I'm so weirded out by oil.
brian redban
Now, it's interesting if that baby's going to, like, be a boob guy or an ass guy growing up.
I think that's where it comes from?
Yeah.
tony hinchcliffe
I wonder.
joe rogan
How do you explain feet, guys?
brian redban
I heard it's from feet.
It's when you're a baby crawling around.
Your mom had walking by you all the time.
joe rogan
And you start getting little baby boners from your dick rubbing against the carpet.
brian redban
Or Tom and Jerry.
tony hinchcliffe
Baby boners.
brian redban
Baby boners.
joe rogan
When did you get your first boner?
At what age?
tony hinchcliffe
That's interesting.
I could kind of see why that might work.
Because my mom wasn't walking around a lot.
When I was a little kid and I'm not into feed at all.
I've always found it like very weird.
brian redban
Yeah.
tony hinchcliffe
So that kind of makes sense.
Meanwhile, my mom does...
I was drinking milk out of her.
She has gigantic boobs and I love big boobs.
That makes sense.
joe rogan
Yeah, but who doesn't?
It's like saying, I love money.
Who doesn't love money?
Who doesn't love boobs?
unidentified
It's one of those things.
joe rogan
It's like, what are you talking about?
Who's like, ah, I fucking hate them.
Hate them, bro.
They're big and juicy.
Big and juicy and excited.
brian redban
It's areola size.
A lot of people hate the big, giant areolas.
I love them.
My mom had the big areolas.
joe rogan
Dudes are weird with stuff, right?
I think, do you think that comes from porn?
Where they're staring at like a certain ideal all the time?
tony hinchcliffe
I mean...
joe rogan
Like if you really give a fuck about areola size, is that really the deal breaker here?
brian redban
I mean, have you seen those small ones that look like Hans Kim nipples?
I don't want that.
tony hinchcliffe
Hans Kim nipples?
brian redban
Like they're big but they have tiny.
joe rogan
Hans Kim has very normal, respectable nipples.
brian redban
They're dark though.
joe rogan
Have you seen Hans Kim get out of the pool?
His nipples look fucking totally normal.
brian redban
Tell, tell.
joe rogan
What happened?
brian redban
Him in Florida the other day.
joe rogan
What did he do?
tony hinchcliffe
We found out yesterday that he was at a pool party in Florida and he didn't bring a bathing suit so he went in his jeans but he did have swim goggles that he brought and a drone so he was in the swimming pool laughing Flying a drone with goggles on.
Like, what's up ladies?
brian redban
Like Speedo goggles.
tony hinchcliffe
Wearing jeans.
joe rogan
That sounds like a Hans Kim move.
tony hinchcliffe
Jeans and a Rolex in a pool in Tampa with a drone.
joe rogan
That sounds like Hans Kim.
tony hinchcliffe
That's our boy.
joe rogan
That's an original.
jamie vernon
Never mind.
I said, why not buy a bathing suit?
joe rogan
No, no, no, no, no.
That's too complicated.
tony hinchcliffe
Nothing makes any sense.
joe rogan
You gotta fucking stop all logic at the Hans Kim door.
tony hinchcliffe
Oh my goodness.
joe rogan
Just let him be Hans.
Let him swim with his pants on.
unidentified
Yeah.
joe rogan
He's a maniac.
It's one of the cool things about what you guys are doing with Kill Tony is you get to see a guy go from being first-timer on stage or first-timer on Kill Tony, been doing open mics, and then if you guys like him and make him a regular, then all of a sudden they're doing a minute every week, they develop fans, you put them on your shows, you go on the road with them.
In Hans' case, he went all the way to arenas in like eight months of being around here.
tony hinchcliffe
Being around here, what's interesting is that our last three regulars, David, Hans, and William, have all been doing it about eight years, right?
But what's cool is we're kind of, the last few weeks, getting back to our roots, we just gave a golden ticket to a guy named Aaron Belial.
God, he's amazing.
He's amazing.
And he has cerebral palsy.
No use of his left arm.
He walks fine.
But he's mute.
He can't speak at all.
So he takes the microphone, puts it on top of a Bluetooth speaker that he already has hooked up, and begins.
joe rogan
And how does he type it in?
tony hinchcliffe
He has a super fast thumb.
He has it down to where he can do like...
Swiping?
Yeah, swiping.
He just keeps his thumb.
brian redban
Swipes.
tony hinchcliffe
He moves as fast as he can.
joe rogan
Have you ever been able to swipe?
brian redban
Yeah, but I don't like it.
I don't trust it.
joe rogan
And then he goes voice to text.
So it just says out what he wrote.
unidentified
Wow.
tony hinchcliffe
But what's cool is that he's only been doing it six months right now.
And he's like a savant.
So we're getting to really reinforce good things.
He just has no notes at this point.
He's just crushing.
joe rogan
I gotta see that.
because Tom Green told me about him.
tony hinchcliffe
Yeah.
Oh, yeah, Tom Green has a Bluetooth battery in a JBL.
unidentified
It's about 12 to 13 hours.
Tony has been taking hormone treatments to have the figure of a female tennis player.
That's true.
That's actually true.
tony hinchcliffe
And I'm not there yet.
Still, I need a lot more injections to get to.
unidentified
Everything about you reminds me of Peter Pan, except the fact that Peter Pan was less like Tinkerbell than you are.
tony hinchcliffe
He's just laying into me.
And also, Peter Pan didn't throw handicapped people off of his stage every once in a while.
With a fucking Gladiator 300 kick to the chest.
I will send you...
I will send you into caution's way.
That's true.
And you ain't the type that she's gonna catch, you know what I'm saying?
There was a lesbian off of behind it.
That's cautious.
She's gonna take your cane and fucking shove it where the sun don't shine, which is a lot of places.
unidentified
This guy's a bully, fuck.
tony hinchcliffe
Yeah, he really is.
unidentified
He really is.
joe rogan
Are you from Canada?
Is he Canadian?
unidentified
See, if you had American healthcare, I might have caught that shit early.
Yeah.
tony hinchcliffe
I told him last week, you can really tell which arm they put the vaccine in.
unidentified
Jesus.
joe rogan
Jesus Christ.
tony hinchcliffe
And he laughs and he rolls with everything.
His sense of humor is that of somebody that's been doing stand-up for 20 years.
unidentified
That's amazing.
tony hinchcliffe
It's insane.
The green room hang.
I actually ended up...
I was at one of these bars.
My friends were playing music and it was packed.
I mean...
Unbelievable fire hazard.
People dancing on picnic tables, shoulder to shoulder.
It was chaos.
I wanted to get out of there.
Everybody wanted to get out of there.
And I look and I see him leaning against...
The fence in the back, no drink, like he had just come in through the back door, can't move, can't get in.
I go, I get him a drink, and we end up hanging out for hours, having the best time, because it turns out he's a great fucking communicator in Hang, because when you're at loud bars or a concert, he just fucking shows you.
brian redban
Shows you his phone, yeah.
tony hinchcliffe
And you're like, oh, you read what he's saying instead of me going, what?
unidentified
What did you say?
joe rogan
So he's all doing it one-handed.
tony hinchcliffe
Yep.
joe rogan
And he's just swiping all the words.
So how quick can he get a sentence out?
brian redban
Pretty good.
tony hinchcliffe
Pretty good.
You could tell that the technology isn't where it needs to be for someone flying through their thoughts with only their thumb.
joe rogan
Especially with one hand.
Because most people are doing it with two hands.
tony hinchcliffe
He mentioned last night in the green room specifically that he's hoping for advancements in the field of...
brian redban
Yeah.
tony hinchcliffe
Whatever you would call that.
brian redban
And what's cool, though, he has a lot of responses already where he does a quick search, like, well, this is how I went.
So I told him I would make him a soundboard, but that's pretty much if you had your whole thing where it's just a soundboard.
joe rogan
Dude, talk about counting on Google Notes.
brian redban
Yeah.
joe rogan
I mean, whatever he's counting on, whatever he's using, that shit's got to stay up.
unidentified
Yeah.
joe rogan
And battery life is very important.
You can't just show up at a club without good battery life.
tony hinchcliffe
He has two JBL Bluetooths fully charged hanging by his waist in case one dies.
He's got another one.
unidentified
Wow.
brian redban
Like guns.
joe rogan
Wow.
tony hinchcliffe
He was roasting me last night live on this show and I go, you make one more fucking joke about me.
I'm going to play music on your Bluetooth.
brian redban
And he's so cute because the last couple weeks he goes, are you sure it's okay to make fun of Tony?
I don't want him to be upset.
I'm like, oh, no, no, no.
This is great.
tony hinchcliffe
He's amazing.
Aaron Belisle.
He's another Canadian.
We also have, of course, Jared Nathan, who you know.
unidentified
Yeah.
tony hinchcliffe
Who's also a Canadian the last two golden ticket winners which I think there's only been ten in ten years of doing this show Which means you can perform it on any show if you're ever there for the for eternity the last two I realized this last night while high as a kite after the show have both been Handicapped people from Canada they make Jared Nathan should tell everybody What exactly does he have?
It's called globally delayed, but that basically means that he has a touch of everything.
He's like all types of what we used to call the R word.
joe rogan
Globally.
So that's what it means?
tony hinchcliffe
Does he say globally retarded?
What does he call it?
Globally delayed.
brian redban
Delayed, yeah.
And it's like he has a little bit of downs, a little bit of autism, a little bit of...
tony hinchcliffe
He's got a big stutter.
brian redban
Yeah, stuttering.
joe rogan
But he's funny as fuck.
brian redban
He's great.
tony hinchcliffe
Funny as fuck.
joe rogan
He's very funny.
tony hinchcliffe
Oh my god.
joe rogan
And he's got good timing.
He understands comedy.
tony hinchcliffe
Yep.
Yep.
joe rogan
Yeah, it's interesting, man.
It's like, what you guys have done is really cool.
Because you really get a chance to see people emerge.
You know, they emerge out of Kill Tony and they have real careers.
I think it's the best launching pad for beginning comics that's ever existed.
I don't think there's anything like it.
Because, like, The Tonight Show was never for comics that just started out.
It was for, like, guys that put together, like, a career, and then they're finally gonna get their first Letterman.
You know, that's what that was.
It was like, you're doing stand-up seven, eight, nine, ten years by then, right?
But this is, like, guys that are just starting, and it's such a ballsy move.
When you got people like Ally Makovsky who go from doing a minute every week when she was, like, how old was she?
tony hinchcliffe
19 when she first got on the show.
unidentified
Crazy!
joe rogan
Crazy!
To, you know, doing giant fucking places with us.
Wild!
And now headlining on the road.
It's really weird.
It's really weird to see.
It's cool.
You know, it's like, because it's happened before, where people, you've seen them go from open mic-er to being a successful comedian.
But it seems to happen more regularly, and more, it's like there's a path.
It seems like there's an actual path now.
And that's one of the things that I think something like Kill Tony provides.
It's like now people say, look what everybody's done.
Look what Hans Kim has done.
Look what William Montgomery's done.
Look what David Lucas has done.
There's a fucking clear path.
And if you can get on that show and do well and then get on it again and do well again, like, dude!
tony hinchcliffe
And unlike The Tonight Show and America's Got Talent and Last Comic Standing, there's no notes.
You don't have to be clean.
It's just about being funny.
Both Aaron Lyle, Jared Nathan, William, David, Hans, they all push the limits.
This is like what comedians know is...
You know, what people want to see.
They want to go have fun.
They want to have a naughty night.
They don't need woke and, you know.
joe rogan
You can't do woke in a minute.
tony hinchcliffe
Right.
joe rogan
It's not going to work.
tony hinchcliffe
Uh-uh.
joe rogan
Like this whole idea that you're going to project your social values onto the audience and it's going to make them like you more and agree with you more.
tony hinchcliffe
People tried.
We had a girl that came on yesterday.
She was like six foot four, purple hair.
You know, I mean, it just seemed dangerous.
I'm like, oh boy, here we go.
And then she's just talking about how she gives the craziest blowjobs and all this.
I'm like, oh, thank God.
That was close.
joe rogan
That's just an odd look.
Yeah.
The social justice comedy, you just can't really do it in a minute.
You have a minute to just do the thing that you want.
What you want to do is when you see someone go up there and have a minute that fucking kills.
And the professional comedians are clapping, and you're clapping, and you're like, that's really good.
Like, how long have you been doing it?
Like, that's what everybody wants.
And if you can get that going, man, like, that's, it's a beautiful cornerstone to comedy, because it's like the perfect, like, the perfect launching pad, but also like the perfect, like, I don't want to say battleground, but it is kind of a battleground for your own ideas.
You've got to figure out how to really just make it funny.
When you're putting a set together, maybe try it one time and you realize it's too much words, or you're setting it up, or it's too clunky.
You'll figure it out.
But you're duking it out with all these other people that are trying to do it too, so there's a lot of pressure.
So you're only gonna get one minute and there's a hundred people plus signing up for a few spots and You know it's random like when you decide to reach into that bucket who the fuck knows you're gonna get you just look in there You're not even looking you look at you know just putting your hand in there pulling something out We found every single one of them.
It's totally random It's totally random and some guys get to go up more than once and some girls get to go up more than once and it's it's It's a building ground, like, that's not like anything else that's ever been around before.
It's beautiful.
tony hinchcliffe
I mean, just last week we had Roseanne on, and she's telling these people, one after the other, the most perfect advice.
Just clear-cut, like, It's wisdom that you just cannot make up.
You can't write it.
And even the people that were doing good, she's like, yeah, you could do good doing jokes like that, or that tells me that you could do even better by looking within yourself, you know?
If you're doing that with being that surface level, then what do you really have inside?
And she was just crushing.
And who better in the world than Roseanne Barr?
Someone that literally did that.
She took her own thing.
She wasn't like everyone else.
She still isn't like anyone else.
And she showed that you could have a crazy career by just being yourself and writing what you know, the story that you can tell.
joe rogan
Yeah, it's a cool thing to have, man.
You guys have put together something really cool.
tony hinchcliffe
She offered a full-time mentorship to that Aaron Belisle kid.
joe rogan
A mentorship?
unidentified
Yeah.
tony hinchcliffe
She goes, you can call me anytime.
I'm going to give you my number.
unidentified
Whoa.
tony hinchcliffe
And he literally, they literally did.
He asked me yesterday, he's like, you know, when do you think I should hit up Roseanne?
joe rogan
Do you like how you use your thumbs?
tony hinchcliffe
Oh yeah, I didn't even realize I did that.
brian redban
Jimmy Carter thing.
joe rogan
That's awesome.
tony hinchcliffe
Yeah.
joe rogan
Beautiful.
It's been cool having Ron White around too.
tony hinchcliffe
Yeah.
joe rogan
The godfather.
tony hinchcliffe
Hell yeah.
joe rogan
He's such an important person.
tony hinchcliffe
Yeah.
joe rogan
You know, such an important guy to have around too.
And he's always working on new stuff.
Always working on new stuff.
It's one of the cool things about Ron White.
Never sleeps.
tony hinchcliffe
Couldn't believe it.
Last week I saw a new 10 minutes.
I'm like, fuck.
joe rogan
Yeah, new notes.
He's excited.
He's energized about comedy.
He's really excited about the club opening, too.
He's pumped.
tony hinchcliffe
It's happening.
It's wild.
joe rogan
Yeah, hanging around there today was eerie.
tony hinchcliffe
Yeah.
brian redban
Why is that?
joe rogan
Because it just feels so real.
brian redban
Yeah.
joe rogan
I mean, it's about to happen.
We've been talking about this for two years.
We had a place originally, and that fell apart.
And then we found this perfect spot.
And then we realized that we had to...
Renovate it and do it the right way would get one shot at this Let's not half ass this thing and half open it up all fucked up.
brian redban
Let's let's do it the best we could do it It's so you also there's so many little touches that you know like like quotes with Diaz on it and stuff Yeah, there's a quote right when you're leaving the green room.
joe rogan
It's in neon and it says get it together bitch Joey used to say that every time you gotta go on stage.
Get it together, bitch.
brian redban
And the bar in it is so beautiful.
Spaceships.
joe rogan
Yeah, it's pretty dope.
We're excited.
So that'll be happening soon.
And we were going over where to do Kill Tony there.
tony hinchcliffe
Yeah.
joe rogan
We were hanging out there today.
brian redban
And that's the front.
joe rogan
It's pretty wild.
brian redban
Love it.
joe rogan
They did an amazing job putting this together.
So, any day now, we go.
tony hinchcliffe
Very exciting, very exciting.
joe rogan
Yeah, it's pretty wild.
It's been a lot of fun, boys.
tony hinchcliffe
Hell yeah.
joe rogan
It's been a lot of fun.
I'm glad we're all out here together.
brian redban
Yes.
joe rogan
Really are.
I'm glad we're all out here together and there's so many of us now.
It's such a good community.
We're so lucky.
We're so lucky that we picked the right time and the right place and it all came together like there was a giant magnet drawing us here.
tony hinchcliffe
Yep.
It's a blast.
joe rogan
It's been really fucking fun.
And what you guys have done with Kill Tony has been amazing.
Going there on a Monday night and watching that rabid crowd.
I mean, you guys have some of the most...
Excited fans.
They're so pumped for those shows.
It's like, I mean, when I was there, people had flown in from Berlin.
Like, what?
You guys flew in from Berlin?
It's nuts.
It's weird when you think about where you guys started.
Remember those belly room shows?
brian redban
Yeah.
joe rogan
I remember doing those back in the day.
And to go from the belly room to what's happening now.
tony hinchcliffe
The small room at the Ice House, I think, was your first appearance.
joe rogan
I think you're right.
The little room.
That's right.
brian redban
Oh my god, have you seen the Ice House rebuild?
joe rogan
No, I haven't.
brian redban
It just opened back up.
It looks like a whole different place.
Where my studio used to be, I think they made that whole waiting room.
They just did everything.
joe rogan
They spent millions of dollars.
brian redban
Oh, yeah.
Well, the Lakers guy has tons of money.
joe rogan
Is there a video of what the new Ice House looks like?
brian redban
Yeah, I think on their Instagram they had it.
joe rogan
I was worried that they were going to ruin that room because that room was so good.
tony hinchcliffe
It really was.
Yeah.
joe rogan
I don't know what they did.
I hope they didn't glitz it up too much.
There was something about that room.
There was the grittiness to that room that was similar to the grittiness from the Comedy Store, just different.
It was like the suburb version.
tony hinchcliffe
Yeah.
joe rogan
You know, there was like a...
Look how beautiful it is.
brian redban
Yeah.
joe rogan
Was that Margaret Cho?
brian redban
She's so funny.
I like her.
joe rogan
And so what does it look like outside of the stage?
Because the stage, it's hard to see.
brian redban
Yeah, they had like a video of them walking around.
Bill Burr was just there the other day.
unidentified
Hmm.
brian redban
Yeah, I think it's before this, if there is.
jamie vernon
I didn't see much up here.
That's what I was looking down.
joe rogan
So it's been open for how long now?
brian redban
About two weeks, I think.
joe rogan
Good lineups.
brian redban
Yeah.
joe rogan
Bill Burr, Pete Holmes.
brian redban
I was supposed to go out there.
That's where I used to do the secret show all those years.
joe rogan
That's where Thunder Pussy started, too.
brian redban
Thunder Pussy, which I want to bring back.
I think about that fucking name, and I'm just like, I'm going to make that something.
joe rogan
Yeah, that should be something.
Thunder Pussy was one of the best names ever.
jamie vernon
My favorite.
unidentified
It's been a wild ride, boys.
joe rogan
I'm excited.
Like I said, I'm excited we're all here together.
I'm excited that we're all here together in this weird, very unusual moment, you know?
We get to enjoy this.
It's a lot of fun.
But I just want to say thanks for coming on.
It's always great to hang with you guys.
And genuinely, as a fan of comedy, I think what you guys are doing with Kill Tony is huge.
It really is.
It's like one of the best places ever for a person to start out and do stand-up.
tony hinchcliffe
Thank you.
brian redban
Thanks.
joe rogan
Thanks for making it.
All right.
Bye, everybody.
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