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Feb. 21, 2023 - The Joe Rogan Experience
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Joe Rogan Experience #1944 - Ryan Long
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ryan long
I hold the record for it.
What do you hold the record for?
Longest bottle reused in my podcast.
joe rogan
Of water?
ryan long
Two years I had the same bottle.
joe rogan
No.
ryan long
Yeah, the guy I do the podcast with was like, the amount of carcinogenics must be running through your body.
joe rogan
So were you just adding water to it all the time?
ryan long
Yeah, every day I'd come in.
I'm the ultimate environmentalist, really.
joe rogan
I don't know if that's bad for you.
I think what's bad for you is just drinking on a plastic period.
Like if your bottle is sitting there filled with water for months and months on a shelf, wouldn't that leach more plastic in it than water that you just pour in there?
ryan long
Yeah, I think so.
joe rogan
Yeah, it would seem to me that like the real fear would be, I think, correct me if I'm wrong because I'm definitely wrong, Propaganda.
I think the real fear is the heat.
I think when you have plastic bottles or sitting outside in the sun.
ryan long
Yeah, I leave them in the sun.
joe rogan
That's an issue.
ryan long
I like them to marinate.
joe rogan
That's when you get all the phthalates in your dick shrinks.
That's what's happening to people, you know.
ryan long
Oh yeah, sorry.
Are you starting?
joe rogan
Yeah, we're already starting.
ryan long
Okay, we're starting.
Did you see...
Well, I just read this.
The dicks have enlarged in the last...
joe rogan
I know!
I thought dicks were shrinking.
I just saw a new study.
And it's a problem.
ryan long
Mine's been shrinking.
joe rogan
It might be a problem.
That was what was hilarious.
Dicks are getting bigger and this could be a real issue.
Like, how?
ryan long
Sure.
joe rogan
How?
Rulers got smaller.
It got smaller.
People just started lying.
ryan long
That is the South Park episode where they go, yeah, we just changed the measurements.
We went down to...
We just started measuring...
How did they get smaller?
We started measuring in millimeters.
joe rogan
Bro, when I was a kid, they tried to put us on the metric system, which is a far more efficient system.
unidentified
I agree.
joe rogan
It's a system of tens.
Stanford scope.
An increase in penile length cause for concern?
What fucking...
What are you concerned about?
ryan long
Cause for concern for the ladies, you know?
joe rogan
Yeah, what are you concerned about?
ryan long
Ladies are walking funny to work every day.
Look at this.
joe rogan
A rec penile length is getting longer from an average of 4.8 inches.
Go to that.
What does it say there?
ryan long
Oh, that was the best article.
joe rogan
Here's why it's actually a problem.
unidentified
It's a problem!
ryan long
No, this was, I think this was originally a Vice article.
This one, this is from a couple years ago, and it was a guy writing how actually small dicks are kind of better, if you think about it.
joe rogan
Oh, sure, buddy.
No women are writing that article.
It's so sad.
The penis size is so sad.
There's not a damn thing they could do about it.
They can put a man on the moon.
They can't make your dick bigger.
ryan long
They have not.
They do the enlargement, but it doesn't work all that great.
There was a guy, I actually used to do a bit about it.
There was a guy, his name's Ahud Laniandro, and he got the best dick enlargement money he could buy because he's like a billionaire dude, right?
And then he died during the thing.
Died during the enlargement.
joe rogan
Oh, he probably died from the anesthesia, right?
ryan long
I wonder.
joe rogan
Yeah, man.
Getting put under is no joke.
Getting put under, you know, it's...
They're very, very, very, very good at it now.
But it still carries some risks.
ryan long
Or, yeah, I was...
In the dick, they made him such a good dick, the doctor was like, I can't let...
joe rogan
He had to poison him in case his wife saw that dick.
ryan long
No one can...
Yeah, this is...
I can't let...
It is my masterpiece.
I can't allow this.
unidentified
Oh.
ryan long
Walking the earth, just punishing women.
joe rogan
That would be the number one industry in the country.
If there was an actual dick enlargement product, like they just nailed it.
It would be bigger than Apple.
Yeah, in like a week!
ryan long
I mean, Viagra, the amount of people that take that recreationally is very crazy.
joe rogan
It's probably their most profitable thing other than vaccines, right?
For Pfizer?
ryan long
That's a good question.
joe rogan
It's a good question.
ryan long
Well, imagine vaccines would be Viagra if the government was like, you have to take it.
Also, we're paying for it.
joe rogan
Imagine if the government just said, listen, more people have to fuck because we need more people.
We have to compete with China.
ryan long
Yeah.
joe rogan
And so Viagra is mandatory.
So everyone just has wood.
Everywhere you go at every bar.
Everywhere you go, dudes just have raging hard-ons that are mandated by the government.
ryan long
Mandated by the government, paid for by the government.
And your chick's like, why are you always hard?
And you're like, talk to Biden.
You think I want this?
joe rogan
It's Kamala Harris.
She has an issue.
She wants us to do this.
ryan long
This is her issue she's pushing.
That's the socialized boners.
It's not socialized medicine for anything but boners.
joe rogan
Well, there are people that do believe that more people are supposed to be having children.
There's people like Elon, who's far smarter than me, who thinks that there's an issue with a possible population collapse.
Not enough people are having kids.
And even though there's a lot of people alive right now, the numbers of people having kids are dropping off.
And that keeps going.
There's a trend that happens.
If it doesn't correct itself, it could be a real issue.
ryan long
There's a lot of people that kind of take the opinion on that, too, where you go, not only is it a problem, it's already too far to fix.
There's a lot of people that are like, there's not even really a way out of this.
joe rogan
Oh, Jesus Christ, Ryan.
You're scaring the shit out of me.
ryan long
Well, I think the way out is probably, you know, technology and stuff like that, right?
joe rogan
Yeah, probably.
ryan long
If you look at the birth rates, I guess, you know, certain countries you can take more immigrants and stuff like that, but yeah, there is not...
joe rogan
Well, we're taking a lot of immigrants.
ryan long
Yeah.
joe rogan
You know, it's really fascinating.
The immigrant thing is fascinating, because, you know, my grandparents were immigrants.
So, like, watching immigrants come into this country from south of the border...
ryan long
I mean, I am personally an immigrant.
joe rogan
Are you really?
ryan long
Yeah.
joe rogan
Where were you born?
ryan long
Toronto, Canada.
joe rogan
Oh, yeah.
That doesn't count.
You guys are our cousins.
You're in the family.
ryan long
You know what?
When I tried to move here, I said to that, I would go, come on, really?
Is it?
But it is.
You got to get the green card.
You got to do the whole thing.
There's a certain amount a year.
They have rules about it.
joe rogan
Yeah, but if you just come in through the border, you're good.
Just walk in.
Just fly to Mexico and walk in.
ryan long
I just point to my face.
I go, I'm white.
Can we?
joe rogan
They just let you in.
I'm telling you.
They don't even care if you're vaccinated.
ryan long
I go, cut the shit, bro.
joe rogan
You can't fly into the United States still unless you're vaccinated.
ryan long
From Canada?
joe rogan
From other countries.
ryan long
Oh, from other countries.
joe rogan
I think.
Isn't that true?
I think that's still true.
But you can just kind of walk in.
Like, there's a lot of people just kind of walking in.
Like, there's too many people coming across.
ryan long
Certain countries you have to get visas for.
Like, you can't just...
Because I remember, you know, my friend who lived in Canada, people were going to, you know, Mexico or somewhere, or the U.S., and he was like, yeah, I can't go there.
And we're like, what?
We're just going on, like, vacation.
We're going to go party in, like, you know, Nashville or whatever.
And he's like, yeah, I can't...
You can do that.
Like, I can't do that.
He's from India.
He can't just go to America.
joe rogan
Yeah, you have to be vaccinated and you have to have some sort of paperwork, right?
ryan long
Yeah, you got to get a visa.
joe rogan
You have to get a visa to visit?
ryan long
A visiting visa, essentially, yeah.
joe rogan
Wow, isn't that wild?
ryan long
No, it's, yeah, it is kind of wild.
unidentified
We don't even think about that.
joe rogan
We don't, you know, we have it so goddamn good here.
We really do.
As nutty as people are, and the crazy gender war talk that's going on right now, it seems like there's such a fascination with gender now.
To the point where it's like, what is...
Douglas Murray talked about this on the podcast.
He was saying that this happens in every civilization before it collapses.
People become obsessed with gender for some reason.
ryan long
And then it's also as a comedian, you know, especially like the trans issue or whatever, right?
You know, it's like, how do you not address that when it becomes the number one?
This is the number one.
Everyone's talking about it nonstop.
And then they're kind of like, oh, look at all these guys talking about this.
And you're like, how do you not?
It's like an elephant in the room at that point.
joe rogan
Yeah, it's an ideology that's being enforced, that you're not allowed to talk about something that may or may not be crazy.
And I'm not talking about all trans people.
I'm just talking about the possibility of crazy people being in any group is 100%.
The possibility of crazy people that are captains of yachts, crazy dentists, crazy everything.
So you have to leave room for crazy when it comes to trans people too.
And right now they don't.
They're not leaving room for crazy.
This is why you have this guy up in Canada with the giant rubber tits.
ryan long
I love him.
joe rogan
With the shoulder straps.
ryan long
The goat.
It's amazing.
I don't know if you saw the picture.
He looks like Tim Dillon when he has the tits up.
joe rogan
I think he's running a con.
He may be running a con.
I mean, this is just my opinion.
But it seems like he dresses up like a man during the day.
Which, of course, it's a con.
I mean, the whole thing is so funny.
ryan long
Wearing those titties all day long would be nuts.
joe rogan
Bro, it's nuts that you can do that.
It's nuts that you could do that.
ryan long
He's a shop teacher as well.
joe rogan
This is where I'm saying, like, you have to leave room for crazy in everything.
ryan long
Yeah.
joe rogan
You gotta leave room for crazy.
And if you don't leave room for crazy, then we're in a cult.
Okay, now we're in a cult.
ryan long
Do you know how, like, in Russia, they'll have, you know, Putin will play, like, hockey games, and everyone lets him win?
joe rogan
They let him do judo, too.
ryan long
Yeah, they let him do it.
It's kind of Steven Seagal style.
Well, you know, he's 900 pounds.
He's just these demonstrations.
joe rogan
No, he's actually legit with judo.
ryan long
I know he's really legit.
joe rogan
No, no, no, no, no.
Judo.
ryan long
Is he judo?
joe rogan
Yeah, yeah, yeah.
No, he's a black belt.
He's an actual black belt.
Putin is a legitimate black belt.
Like when you watch him throw people around, watch video of it.
Pull up Putin does judo.
100% he's legit.
ryan long
Okay, so he's legit that?
I actually didn't know that part.
joe rogan
He used to be a KGB guy.
ryan long
But the hockey, he plays against high-level professional hockey players.
joe rogan
They let him do hockey?
ryan long
Let him win.
He gets 11 points against...
But I feel like sometimes the trans stuff's that, where everyone just kind of...
joe rogan
Right.
It is!
It is the same thing, because everyone's scared.
But when you watch him do judo, like, 100%, that's real skill.
Like, 100%.
Like, he definitely knows his shit.
Like, if I saw that guy teaching at a judo academy somewhere, he's a black belt, and he was an instructor, I would say yes.
Legitimate.
ryan long
Nice.
joe rogan
Yeah, Putin really knows judo.
ryan long
What about Seagal?
What do you think of Seagal?
joe rogan
He's really good at Aikido.
ryan long
He was the GOAT, right?
joe rogan
No, but he was very talented.
If you just watch his fluidity and his technique in Aikido, if you go back to the early days when he was running a dojo in Japan, and I think he was legitimately the first American To run an Aikido dojo in Japan.
No bullshit.
ryan long
Yeah, yeah, yeah.
joe rogan
And I think he was married to the daughter of one of the main senseis or somebody.
So he was like deep in the culture.
And he was really good at Aikido.
But Aikido is a martial art that was developed to disarm people with swords.
So when someone's coming at you with a sword and you don't have a sword, you're disarming them.
The idea is to try to use their momentum against them.
So it's kind of a reactive martial art and it's like it's using your momentum and then using leverage and using technique.
But it's not offensive.
And what he did in the movies is he made it offensive.
If you go to Above the Law...
Above the Law is a fucking great movie.
ryan long
He turned it into a tool to get tons of pussy.
joe rogan
This is him when he's older.
This is Durag Seagal.
ryan long
Durag Seagal is the best Seagal.
joe rogan
Durag Seagal is not the best Seagal.
You want to go to black and white film Seagal.
Because you've got to realize, Above the Law...
Go to old Steven Seagal footage.
Above the law was in...
ryan long
Hell yeah.
joe rogan
Bro, I'm telling you.
Listen, the guy...
You can say whatever you want about the guy now.
But I am just telling you.
ryan long
I love him.
joe rogan
Yeah, this is...
Listen, fuck all this.
Go to old Steven Seagal footage.
Because this is a lot of, like...
He's, you know, he's basically in a movie now, right?
ryan long
Yeah.
joe rogan
That's like, he's in a movie.
Those guys aren't really resisting.
ryan long
that he's written as well.
joe rogan
No, no, no, no, no, no, no, no.
Old Steven, I'm sorry, Old Steven Seagal Aikido footage.
There's like legitimate footage of him in the dojo.
ryan long
Just doing work.
joe rogan
Yeah, like when you see like his ability to throw people, there you go.
ryan long
He had a big feud with Jean-Claude Van Damme.
joe rogan
The top one's legit.
I've seen this top one.
So, it's a lot of the movements and stuff, like, very fluid.
Very fluid.
It's just not that effective a martial art in real practice.
Like, in real practice, a wrestler is gonna take a Aikido guy down, like, 100% of the time.
ryan long
Yeah, no Aikido guy's ever won one of the big competitions, really.
joe rogan
I mean, you could have a guy who starts out in Aikido for some strange reason and is just extraordinarily physically talented.
Like if Jon Jones got into Aikido.
ryan long
Sure.
joe rogan
He still would fuck people up in the UFC. There's certain people that are extraordinarily talented.
They're training at the wrong place.
That does happen.
ryan long
Perhaps a trans Aikido fighter would do it.
joe rogan
But Aikido is just not the way to go.
It's a beautiful martial art.
It's a beautiful thing to learn.
It is a really effective tool.
If you know Aikido and a guy has a bat and he's coming at you, it's actually a very important thing to know.
Some of the principles involved in avoiding these strikes, you can apply those in a real situation.
But it's just not the...
It's just not the martial art that you would say is on its own what's really good for fighting.
You wouldn't say Aikido.
ryan long
I feel like the reason why even guys like him aside from that were so great was that they believed it a little.
You know when you see Jason Momoa right now as an action star?
He doesn't think he's that guy.
You know?
Whereas, like, you know, kind of even Jean-Claude Van Damme, like, it was getting a little wishy-washy, what was the movie, what was them, you know?
joe rogan
Yes, yes.
Well, I think the audience capture, like, that, and especially then, you're talking about, like, the 80s and the 90s?
ryan long
Sure.
joe rogan
Your connection to the audience is so ethereal.
It's mystical.
Why do they like me?
ryan long
Where are these people?
You're not seeing this guy every day.
joe rogan
You don't have any tweets about you.
You're not getting any comments on YouTube.
You're just trying to figure out if people like you.
And you're just doing karate movies.
ryan long
It is very easy to be like a god back in those days.
It's kind of like more how music is where it's...
I always say that even if you look at, you know, kind of activist stuff.
joe rogan
He's doing splits on the top of a building.
ryan long
Oh, that's Jean-Claude.
His split move is the move.
joe rogan
Bro, he's doing splits on the top of a fucking giant pillar overlooking the city.
I'd be scared to sit there.
ryan long
90% of Jean-Clan Van Damme was his splits.
joe rogan
First of all, he's a beautiful man.
ryan long
He's the best.
joe rogan
He's a beautiful man.
I mean, his body is flawless.
So he's over there, flawless body, doing splits.
ryan long
More than splits, too.
It's like...
joe rogan
Look at him.
He can do splits on two chairs, where he puts one heel on each chair and he like suspends his body.
That's nuts.
ryan long
Oh my god.
b-real
That's really hard to do, man.
joe rogan
Remember the video?
I think it was CGI. It had to be CGI. Where they did it in between the two trucks?
unidentified
That's CGI. Both.
joe rogan
It has to be CGI. I think he really can do that with his legs still.
He really can.
ryan long
I don't think they were moving though, yeah.
joe rogan
But they're not going to do that in between trucks and he goes under the truck!
And to lose Jean-Claude Van Damme in a fucking horrific semi-accident where his body gets turned into meat.
ryan long
I think he's doing some wild stuff right now.
joe rogan
Is he?
ryan long
Oh, on the internet?
Yeah.
Well, he did a web series, and then he had some porn star girlfriend, and he was posting photos of him just in a hot tub, just rocking out.
joe rogan
Damn.
ryan long
Yeah, it was kind of cool.
But I was kind of even saying that the same way that it used to be more mystical with the action stars back then, like you were saying, it kind of reminds me of why I feel like activist messages work better with musicians than podcasters or comedians.
Because it's sort of like, with musicians, You know, save the children, whatever you want to say.
You know, very like, we gotta feed those kids!
And then, but you don't have to really answer anything more than that.
joe rogan
Right.
ryan long
And then it's kind of like, with, with, uh...
joe rogan
Or you could say something in between songs.
ryan long
Yeah, you could get one comment in.
joe rogan
Yeah.
ryan long
But then after it becomes like...
joe rogan
By the way, fuck the Supreme Court.
ryan long
Yeah.
Yeah.
100%.
unidentified
Woo, woo, woo, woo.
joe rogan
And Biden needs to codify Roe v.
Wade.
unidentified
Yeah, yeah, yeah.
ryan long
And if you think women should be in the kitchen, you can leave this concert right now.
joe rogan
Right.
ryan long
But if you said that here, you'd be like, well, what do you mean by that?
joe rogan
Lecturing dudes are sus.
They're super sus.
When dudes lecture other dudes, I'm like, damn, you're sus.
Those are closet creeps a lot of the time.
ryan long
That area where, when things got real wild in 2016, the dudes that became the big lecturers were the...
Because the girls, you kind of got it a little more.
joe rogan
There's a few of them that I know that are like, what are you doing?
What are you doing?
What's that about?
Imagine it working.
Imagine you say, you know, respect women, and all of a sudden the guy reads that tweet and is like, oh, yeah, I should respect women.
I mean, thank God you wrote that.
ryan long
Yeah, yeah, yeah.
It changed my entire opinion of the way I think of everything at 34. Yeah, I just didn't even think there were people until I saw your tweet.
unidentified
What the fuck are you doing?
joe rogan
Believe all women.
Believe everyone.
How about that?
Believe all the people.
All the time.
ryan long
Believe everybody.
joe rogan
No one's lying.
ryan long
Do you think that...
Right now, I think your average dude that was like that has sort of felt a little embarrassed.
The same way that your average dude that was all in on COVID day after.
I remember when COVID happened, I was kind of filming stuff and I had a few buddies that messaged me being like, dude, this is kind of irresponsible that you're filming or whatever.
Guys that are cool and I was kind of like, I think you're going to be embarrassed that you sent me this.
unidentified
And...
joe rogan
Years later, yup.
ryan long
Yeah, but I think that, you know, some dudes that were like all in on, you know, yelling at you.
joe rogan
Some people have a heightened level of anxiety, and it's not even their fault.
It's like where you are, maybe you're at a one or two, some people are at a fucking six all the time.
So something like COVID comes along, and it just rattles them to like a nine, whereas you stay at a six.
ryan long
Yeah.
joe rogan
You know, you're like where they would be normally.
Like, wow, fucking world's fucked now.
That would be them normally.
ryan long
Yeah.
joe rogan
And then COVID comes along and they go, wow!
Some people just thought the way we all felt about it in the beginning.
Everybody in the beginning was scared.
I remember those days.
Everybody in the beginning was like, whoa, this is weird.
ryan long
Yeah, no one was...
At the very least, you're like...
joe rogan
Everybody was worried because they shut the whole country down.
Everybody was worried.
We're hearing the stories about leaving ventilators, running out of ventilators.
We were all scared.
ryan long
Yeah.
I was robbing people's houses.
joe rogan
In 2023, I see people driving with masks on.
I saw a guy driving with a mask on.
That guy's not coming back.
ryan long
Driving?
joe rogan
Driving with a mask on.
ryan long
The plane's full of them and they've got the full, you know, the Bane masks, the whole deal.
joe rogan
Some people are not coming back.
They're not coming back.
ryan long
Yeah.
joe rogan
We broke them.
ryan long
There's a couple comics.
joe rogan
Not we, but life.
ryan long
No, no.
Society.
joe rogan
The thing.
The thing that we just went through broke them.
ryan long
Three years is enough to break someone, too.
Oh, fuck!
joe rogan
Three years is enough to break a strong person.
ryan long
Yeah.
joe rogan
A strong person.
ryan long
Well, don't they...
Like, imagine you were going to jail and you go solitary confinement and they put you in solitary confinement for three years.
Like, how many...
Isn't there a pretty good percentage of people that lose their mind in that scenario?
joe rogan
How do you do that to a person?
Isn't that...
Isn't it wild?
I mean, I had a bit about this at one point in time.
Where I was like, this is how much we need each other, that we'll take people that are murderers and rapists and thieves and swindlers, and the worst punishment you can give them is leaving them alone.
ryan long
Yeah.
joe rogan
Isn't that crazy?
Like, the worst punishment you can give to someone is just leave them alone.
ryan long
You can't talk to anyone.
unidentified
Whew.
joe rogan
Imagine you can't, you leave them alone with no books.
ryan long
Well, you know what?
It's funny because the best reward you can give someone for about three hours is leave them alone.
And it goes from, you know what I mean?
For certain people, you go, the best thing, you know, someone that's just got too much going on, you got family, whatever it is, like the best thing you could have is like, you know, no one's bugging me for three hours.
And that slowly becomes the best thing to the worst nightmare that you can imagine.
Hell on earth.
joe rogan
Weird.
unidentified
Weird.
joe rogan
We're so strange.
ryan long
So that's why it didn't break people.
joe rogan
That's why all that, like, people are like, well, I'm kind of a loner.
Shut the fuck up.
Shut the fuck up.
That's a weird one.
You kind of like being alone sometimes.
ryan long
Yeah.
joe rogan
But no one wants to be alone.
And if you do, be careful, because then you're Ted Kaczynski.
If you really want to be alone, you probably hate people and you're trying to blow them up.
ryan long
And also the people that, like, say that, they want to be alone, you're like, yeah, you want to be alone, but in front of a TV, you know?
unidentified
Right.
ryan long
Are you alone?
None of those people are like, yeah, I just go to my basement, shut the lights off, and sit there.
joe rogan
That's it, in the dark.
ryan long
Like a serial killer.
joe rogan
Contemplate my demise.
ryan long
Just think.
joe rogan
I try to feel my cells reproducing poorly.
ryan long
Yeah, like a psycho.
joe rogan
Which ones are going to fail me first before I perish?
ryan long
Yeah, that is kind of what it is, yeah.
joe rogan
Just sitting there thinking of you having sex, lighting matches, burning them down to your fingertips, alone in the dark.
Blisters on your fingers from holding...
unidentified
Yeah, yeah.
ryan long
Okay, if you say that, you go, okay, you're kind of a loner.
Yeah, that's correct.
joe rogan
That's a real loner.
We need to keep a fucking eye on you.
ryan long
Yeah, that is correct.
You are...
joe rogan
It is fucking weird how much we need each other.
We need each other so bad.
ryan long
Yeah, so I watched that.
I watched a lot of people get broken because of that stuff, especially in Canada where it was like, Way crazier, you know what I mean?
I always say my mom was a good pulse of what a normal person is.
I always say she watches Fox and CNN but just thinks they're both just news.
So she'll literally watch the news and be like, the news can't make up their mind.
joe rogan
That's hilarious.
Do you talk about this in your ass?
ryan long
I've never said that on stage, no.
It makes me laugh because she'll think, she'll be like, they can't decide whether they like the president, whether they hate, it's all, you know what I mean?
unidentified
100%.
joe rogan
You should write that down.
ryan long
Yeah, that's...
Okay, so...
joe rogan
That's, like, fertile territory.
You know, someone starts talking about something, you, like, see a whole fertile field in front of them, like, oh, you can do something like this.
ryan long
Yeah, yeah, thank you.
I've tried...
Well, so...
So she would kind of, like, at first be like, you know, they need to lock it all down, and then there was a bit where she was, like, getting mad, been like, it's been six months, I can't see my friends, this doesn't even make sense, you know?
It's like...
And I was kind of like, just go see your friends, who cares?
There was a point where they're, you know, when they're saying, like...
You know, you can only have two people, and then they're like, we upped it to three, and I'm like, I mean, I don't know, make it zero.
I'm not really paying attention to what the rules are.
joe rogan
It's easy to have hindsight and look back and think you would have done it differently.
That's part of the problem, too.
If you're the government and you tell someone something, changing course is so hard.
ryan long
It's a big-ass boat to steer.
joe rogan
You tell him everyone's going to die, and then you go, actually, very few people that are unhealthy are going to die, and the rest of them are going to be fine.
You'd be like, what?
Like, out of all the people I know?
ryan long
Yeah.
joe rogan
Like, if you're the government, and you start, like, taking in information as time goes on, you realize, oh, we're way off on this.
Like, this really just affects old people and overweight people.
Fuck.
But we don't want to fucking keep this party going.
ryan long
How do I... Yeah, and also if I don't keep the party going, I'm like the wrong...
I'm a bad person.
Yeah, I'm a bad guy now.
joe rogan
Now you're encouraging people to get sick.
If you've played to the people with the highest levels of anxiety, if you all of a sudden shift course and ask for courage, they'll be like, what the fuck are you talking about?
ryan long
Yeah, what are you up to here?
joe rogan
Why'd you change your idea?
You were with us.
We were like, lock it all down.
There's a lot of lock it all down, people.
Lock it all down and triple mask up and no one moves.
ryan long
No more working.
joe rogan
We need a redistribution of wealth.
ryan long
Get in your closet.
Yeah, you go, what was that?
That's so funny.
You go, all right, we need to lock it down and we need to take all your money.
You go, what was that last part?
You go, and also less men in tech.
And you're like, how does this one relate again?
You go, just shut up together.
joe rogan
Redistribute wealth through the vaccine.
Yeah.
A medical intervention became a sign of being a leftist.
ryan long
It did.
joe rogan
And avoiding a medical intervention became a sign of being a right-winger.
It was really weird.
ryan long
That was the wildest.
joe rogan
Really wild.
Really wild.
Like, if you just said, like, I don't think I want to take that, after what I've heard from people that took it, and people go, what are you, a Trump supporter?
Like instantly.
unidentified
Yeah.
ryan long
And that wasn't really the breakdown either.
It was like, you know, kind of like a lot of old hippie types, like a lot of my like urban friends in Toronto, like the most people that I know that wouldn't take it was like rapper dudes.
Oh, yeah.
joe rogan
Ice Cube famously turned down a movie.
I think it was worth like nine million dollars.
ryan long
Yeah.
I'm sure he didn't like Trump.
I would imagine that...
I would imagine that Cube wasn't loving Trump.
joe rogan
People were fucking suspicious.
People were suspicious.
Because it takes a long time to figure out what the overall long-term negative effects are of drugs.
That's why it takes a long time for them to license them.
I mean, it takes...
Like, for a drug to be approved?
Like, generally?
I mean, how many years does it take for a vaccine to normally be approved?
ryan long
Yeah.
joe rogan
And something that's like very novel, a novel type of vaccine, it's so unusual that it got approved so quick.
And if it wasn't for COVID, it most likely wouldn't have, right?
I mean, it was an emergency use authorization thing.
For people to be nervous about something like that seems rational.
It seems rational.
ryan long
Well, I know the other side of it, where I know a lot of, you know, kind of maybe more right-leaning dudes that were like super into the vaccine.
unidentified
Oh, yeah.
ryan long
And they were like, if you're a Republican, you don't like the vaccine.
And they were like, well, I'm a Republican.
I like the vaccine because they're just older or whatever, more safe or have a different view on life.
joe rogan
There's this narrative that you were an idiot if you didn't want to take it.
How do you guys know for sure what's happening here?
How do you know for sure?
How much research are you doing?
Have you looked at the studies?
Are you looking at who it's affecting?
There's actually things you can do to kind of mitigate that.
You can take vitamins and supplements and they boost your immune system and you probably should be exercising.
Quit vaping might help.
ryan long
I didn't look at any of the studies and talked about it a lot.
joe rogan
In the beginning, I think they were saying, for some weird reason, that people who smoked cigarettes had a lower level of infection.
I was like, yeah, they're probably cooking the COVID out of their system.
ryan long
Their body's like, hey, we got enough gunk in here.
We don't have any room for any of this COVID stuff, Mr. Burns style.
joe rogan
I wonder if you're a chain smoker.
You're filtering all that COVID through cigarette smoke.
Like, I wonder if it actually kills the COVID that's in your lungs.
ryan long
We all know someone that, you know, is like in the worst shape, drinks, smokes, nonstop, and they're the first guy up being like, let's go!
And you're like, how are you not dead?
unidentified
Right.
ryan long
Some bodies just know how to deal with, like, yeah, I think that is it.
They just, you just gotta like, well, first of all, you have tar, you have like a legit, just like a tarf, Like, filter, covering your whole body.
Yeah, yeah.
joe rogan
The pores are all clogged.
ryan long
Yeah, they're calluses.
It's like, you know, construction workers with the calluses.
They have that.
And then the alcohol, your liver is just, like, covered in a filter of, you know, alcohol.
joe rogan
Your liver's just super powered.
ryan long
I know people like that.
joe rogan
Your liver's like a power lifter.
unidentified
Yeah.
joe rogan
Every day it's, like, pumping out, like, serious, serious alcohol.
ryan long
And that's your natural state.
So I think your body, too, and this is the total speculation, but...
There's a point where your body essentially...
The reason for pain is to be like, hey, don't do that.
I think your body probably gives so much like, your lungs hurt, your body hurts, but they don't listen, so the body just goes, do what you want then.
I'll stop sending the sensors up to your body that this is bad.
joe rogan
Yeah, your body just gives up.
ryan long
Yeah, they go, sure.
joe rogan
A constant state of inflammation everywhere, so you just go numb.
unidentified
That's what it is.
joe rogan
Some people that live like that for a long-ass time Crazy, right?
ryan long
When those guys live?
joe rogan
Heavy duty substance abusers that lived for...
How old is Keith Richards?
ryan long
Yeah.
joe rogan
You know, he wasn't a boozer, though.
ryan long
Killing it.
joe rogan
Yeah.
ryan long
Oh, he wasn't?
joe rogan
Not hardcore.
I mean, he never got fat.
It's the boozers that get fat that seems like that's not good.
You know, like, because there's people that are overweight just because they drink too much beer.
So the calories they're consuming in beer is insane.
ryan long
Nine baguettes a night.
joe rogan
What is a Bud Tallboy?
What's the calories in a Bud Tallboy?
ryan long
I would guess a Tallboy, my guess would be 480. 480. Jamie, what do you think it is?
Four low-end, five high-end.
unidentified
I might have pulled it up, I guess, like 300. I thought 300 was a normal.
joe rogan
I was thinking like 350. So you'll go 300, I'll go 350. And would you say four what?
ryan long
I said 450, I think.
unidentified
450. For a tall can, though.
ryan long
Did you say Bud Light or Bud?
joe rogan
Yeah, Bud.
ryan long
Tall boy.
joe rogan
195. That's it?
ryan long
That's propaganda.
That's a lie!
joe rogan
They're working with the government.
It seems like it should be way more than that.
It's only 190 calories for a butt tall boy?
ryan long
So a normal one's what?
100?
joe rogan
That seems ridiculous.
ryan long
120?
joe rogan
I don't buy it.
jamie vernon
Yeah, I've seen there's like a commercial for Miller Lite or something.
joe rogan
They're like, we're only one more calorie than McUltra.
It's like, oh, really?
ryan long
Really?
unidentified
That's crazy.
ryan long
Yeah, I'm having trouble buying it.
Well, whatever.
Either way, if you drink 12 of them, it's like, you know, after the end of the night, you're just like, yeah, let me just have three.
joe rogan
It's another thousand calories.
ryan long
Let me have two Subway buns.
joe rogan
So if you just drink five Bud Tallboys, which many gentlemen do on a fine Saturday evening, that's a thousand extra calories.
ryan long
Yeah.
Every night.
unidentified
Every night.
joe rogan
And if you hate your job, why not keep drinking?
Yeah, yeah, yeah.
Don't quit drinking if you hate your job.
ryan long
That being said, I think the original hypothesis that, you know, it's better to just be on heroin probably isn't right either.
unidentified
I think heroin is probably better for you if you get the stuff that Keith Richards is getting.
ryan long
If you're doing it completely right, sure.
joe rogan
Yeah, he's getting heroin like straight out of Afghanistan.
They probably fly it in on a drone.
He probably lands in his mansion in Connecticut on a drone.
unidentified
Yeah.
ryan long
He definitely has got the guy.
joe rogan
A brick.
You know, it's probably got like the brown paper over it and twine roping it together.
ryan long
In 2018, he said he wasn't off for a year.
He got fed up with it.
joe rogan
Oh, he said he hasn't been on the hard booze for about a year.
unidentified
So he drank up until he was like 75. That's going to be that?
joe rogan
Yeah, but I guarantee he's still drinking.
He just gave up on moonshine.
He's probably just drinking wine or something.
You said he gave up on the hard.
It says the hard drinks.
My favorite drink was Jack Daniels or vodka.
Occasional glass of wine still or beer.
Yeah, so we'll have beers and wine.
He just gave up on drinking Jack Daniels straight out of the bottle right there.
ryan long
Taking it easy.
unidentified
He's so old!
ryan long
I'm just gonna take it easy tonight too.
joe rogan
I saw them and it was almost like a psychedelic experience.
ryan long
Really?
joe rogan
Yeah, yeah, yeah.
I was like mesmerized when I saw...
I couldn't believe they were really there.
I was like...
Holy shit, that really is Mick Jagger.
That really is Keith Richards.
Like, wow!
ryan long
Yeah, it is cool.
Where'd you see them?
joe rogan
They were here.
They were in Austin.
Recently?
Yeah, at the racetrack.
Yeah, the Coda.
The Circuit of Americas.
It's fucking crazy to watch them.
That old.
Still jamming out.
ryan long
Yeah.
joe rogan
Still doing it.
Mick Jagger's still dancing around.
ryan long
Doing like the dancing like a girl at like 85 is strange, right?
joe rogan
It's weird.
But it's Mick Jagger.
You let it go.
ryan long
Of course!
It's cool.
joe rogan
You know, whatever it is.
But that's him, dude.
ryan long
I actually saw them in Toronto.
There's this thing called Sars Stock.
Do you remember when Sars was coming around?
The original COVID? Yes, I do.
So they did a big festival.
I think there was like a problem where the stage broke and some people died or something.
I think it was...
joe rogan
Oh, no.
ryan long
Yeah.
unidentified
I'm...
ryan long
I don't know, correct me if I'm wrong, but I think there was some big debacle there, but I saw them there.
joe rogan
Wasn't there a time like back in the day where the Hells Angels killed the guy at one of their concerts?
ryan long
That used to be the deal is like you hire Hells Angels to be your bouncers.
joe rogan
Was that what they did?
I thought it was like just audience members.
I thought like the Hells Angels were in the audience.
What happened with that?
ryan long
Well, I don't know if this specific one, but that used to be like a big thing in music is let's hire, you know, Hell's Angels guys.
joe rogan
What a great idea.
ryan long
I think it's a great idea until you realize they've got like a...
Also, they have a drug ring that they're running at your festival.
joe rogan
American man who was killed in 1969 Altamont free concert during the performance by the Rolling Stones, Hunter approached the stage and he was violently driven off by members of the Hells Angels Motorcycle Club who agreed to serve as security guards.
Oh, so you're right.
ryan long
Security guards.
joe rogan
That's what it was.
That is it.
Can I tell you some- Wow, so the guy was rushing the stage and they beat him to death?
Is that what happened?
I thought it got stabbed.
ryan long
It was like the Chappelle thing, but they took it a little further.
unidentified
But I think...
joe rogan
I feel like someone got stabbed.
Oh, it's on film.
Oh, Jesus Christ.
ryan long
Me and Jamie were talking about all the Twitter fight clubs.
joe rogan
It's on film.
ryan long
I guess it would be, yeah.
Um, I mean, that's most of Twitter right now is watching fight videos that I don't want to see.
joe rogan
Dude, there's so much on Instagram that they let through.
So much, like, finds their way into your feed.
You're like, how am I watching this?
How is this okay?
unidentified
Um, I can't tell what's happening.
ryan long
Yeah, that is wild.
joe rogan
And this is 1969, man.
I don't think you or I is really...
I don't think we're ever going to really understand how crazy 1969 was.
I think we missed it.
Whatever the fuck...
ryan long
People aren't big that...
There's no people that are that big anymore, really.
joe rogan
Well, there are, but it's a different thing.
Right?
It's a different thing with the internet.
The whole thing is different.
ryan long
Decentralized?
joe rogan
What I'm saying is like the change between the 1950s and 1969. In which way?
Only 19 years.
In the way the culture was.
ryan long
Yeah.
joe rogan
Like, think of just music.
Think about Buddy Holly.
Like, fucking, you know, all that kind of...
Big Sue.
unidentified
Yeah.
joe rogan
It's great music, but you go from that to Hendrix.
ryan long
Yeah.
joe rogan
Like, what happened?
What the fuck happened?
ryan long
I always think that there's...
joe rogan
Like, the world changed.
ryan long
Yeah, and I always look at culture through music a little bit, but it's always that things go so far one way and people get sick of it.
Even punk and stuff, it always goes very soft, and then there's some guy singing about his girlfriend and stuff like that, and then people get so sick of that shit that the next guy's like, I hate women!
joe rogan
Yeah, well, it's like every now and then the culture needs like a jolt of something different.
ryan long
You get sick of it.
joe rogan
That's what Nirvana was.
There was all hair bands and then Nirvana came along.
And Nirvana essentially killed the hair band.
ryan long
Yeah.
joe rogan
Everybody wanted to be moody.
I'm tired of partying, man.
I just want to be moody.
I want to be like deep.
ryan long
Yeah, and also the next generation's like, it also gets corporate too, right?
So, you know, the thing becomes, it's so hip and it's so cool.
joe rogan
The genre.
ryan long
The genre becomes corporate, right?
And then there's some new scene that isn't, like, that's why, I always, like, all art, it's so cool to me that, that's why Austin, to me, is this, because all art always happens in these little pockets, right?
Like, the grunge was at Seattle, you know, the You guys have your Austin thing where it's like I'm even just like kind of hanging with you guys at the Vulcan it was like you know there's five or six of you and you're not there's no one telling you what to do and it's like really just this like movement I remember like Toronto I felt like I had that where it was just there's no one telling you what to do it's eight people that are all kind of inventing a new little style and pushing each other and that's how culture always kind of Forms the best and then that becomes someone from that culture gets so popular then after eight years Everyone gets a little sick
of that.
joe rogan
Yeah, they'll get sick of everything no matter what but this this idea that That shouldn't be the case you shouldn't cool.
Yeah, it's good good that things shift around that's cool When something is like as good as nirvana like you know all that hairband stuff There was like a weird moment where I think people lost their fucking minds Where it was all, like, guys had just giant big hair and wearing makeup.
unidentified
Yeah.
joe rogan
It was real glammy.
Very strange.
Very strange.
ryan long
Yeah.
joe rogan
And then Nirvana came along and just fucking tanked it.
ryan long
He tanked the whole thing.
Enough of this whole thing, yeah.
He literally really did.
I'm going to be wearing, like, a crappy sweater and, you know, crappy jeans, yeah.
joe rogan
Screaming, rape me.
ryan long
Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.
Jesus Christ.
joe rogan
You're not the only one.
They were so good.
They were so good that they tanked an opposing industry.
ryan long
Honestly, yeah.
joe rogan
Just with their talent.
All that stuff just went away.
All that stuff went away.
All that crazy hair.
There was like a hundred of those bands.
ryan long
And they all look exactly the same, too, by the way.
joe rogan
They all had crazy big hair.
And they were all wearing leopard skin jackets and shit.
They had lipstick on.
It was so weird.
It was such a weird thing.
ryan long
I love it.
joe rogan
It was such a weird thing that a very feminized male was super attractive in the music business only.
It was not like one of those guys was an action star and was kicking ass with makeup on and fucking kiss heels.
There wasn't that, but there was something about those guys singing that you accepted a certain amount of gender bending.
ryan long
Yeah, and you also, those guys, there is a big difference that I think people always miss when they're talking about, like, the guys used to dress like that, but those guys were dressing like that, but they were, like, very masculine dudes.
You know what I mean?
Right.
joe rogan
Paul Stanley.
ryan long
Yeah, just, like, a band van is very similar to, like, a sports dressing room.
It's a bunch of guys.
Anytime you put, like, a bunch of guys together for a long time, like, there's a dynamic there, right?
So, yeah, they're a bunch of dudes acting like dudes, but then they, you know, make a pun.
joe rogan
Yeah, and then they have giant heels.
ryan long
But they're not saying it.
And they get their hair teased up.
unidentified
Yeah, yeah, yeah.
And they fucking get out there and shake their hips.
ryan long
You know what the craziest thing to me is?
And they sing about getting girls, too, which is funny.
joe rogan
Look at what Rob Halford did.
It was Rob Halford from Judas Priest was so fucking good.
ryan long
Yeah.
joe rogan
Judas Priest was so good that they got people to dress up like...
Like a biker.
Yeah.
Everybody decided to dress up like a biker.
ryan long
They got everyone on board with that.
joe rogan
That was like the thing.
They kind of got...
ryan long
Like a gay biker.
joe rogan
How many people...
Yeah.
When you find out that Rob was gay...
ryan long
They tricked everyone.
joe rogan
You're like, do you know how amazing that is?
ryan long
Do you think that there was any guy at the club when they found out he was gay?
There was like, what the...
Oh my god.
Ripping off his leather.
unidentified
Do you know how many guys must have tweaked out when they found out he was gay?
ryan long
He's got the gimp mask on with the zip.
joe rogan
You got another thing coming...
ryan long
You're telling me this guy's gay?
Ripping off his bondage outfit.
joe rogan
Dude, I had a friend of mine in high school.
He used to listen to Rob Halford.
Like, you got another thing coming.
That was like his mantra.
Like for him.
ryan long
He loved it.
joe rogan
Getting out of the town.
He was that dude that was like kind of like socially troubled and he had to get out of the town.
He was going to make his way.
You got another thing.
That was his song.
I remember going, damn, that is a fresh song.
That song was amazing.
ryan long
So he would listen to that song to get hyped up about leaving town?
Did he ever get out?
If you ever go back and he's like working at the tackle shop.
joe rogan
I'm only in touch with a couple of my friends from the high school.
Two of my best friends that I'm still friends with back then, my two friend Jimmy's, those were guys I went to high school with the Jimmy's, yeah.
But they went to North.
I went to high school in Newton South, so we were like in the same town, but we didn't go to the same school.
So I'm only friends with one dude who was from my art class, who was like the best Artists in the art class, this guy John DeVore.
He and I, we communicate on email sometimes, but he was like the guy when we were kids that was like this amazing comic book illustrator.
ryan long
How's he doing now?
Is he a comic book illustrator?
joe rogan
No, he runs a speaker company.
ryan long
Interesting world.
joe rogan
He actually stopped doing art for the same reason that I did.
Because the teacher that we had in high school was such a douchebag, he made you not want to do art.
ryan long
Interesting.
What did he do?
joe rogan
He was just miserable.
ryan long
He was like, you can try this, but it's a waste of time.
joe rogan
So this guy, John, my friend from high school, told me that teacher gave him an F. And I just told you he was the most talented guy in the class, by far.
I was number three.
There was this dude named Kevin, he was number two, and I was number three.
But all three of us did a comic book together.
ryan long
Cool.
joe rogan
Yeah, like some martial arts dragon thing.
I forget what it's called.
ryan long
When you're young, it's so funny because you're like, we're going to take over the world with this comic book stuff.
joe rogan
We would hang out and do art together, but the teacher was such a twat.
He was such a twat.
He was like this miserable older guy with a pot...
I remember his pot belly, like he was pregnant.
But he was a tiny man.
He was very thin, but with a pot belly.
ryan long
Yeah.
joe rogan
And he was just saying, you're not going to be able to do what you want to do with your life.
If you're going to be an artist, you're going to have to draw things you don't want to draw.
There's no way...
ryan long
Like me, nude, after class, if you want an A. Not everyone gets what they want.
joe rogan
Bro, he doesn't want to fuck anybody.
He didn't want to fuck anybody.
He just wanted to go to sleep.
ryan long
That guy was just- Just hated his life.
joe rogan
He was miserable, and he was just really bad to be around.
Because you were young and full of energy, and you just wanted to do something with your life, and this is a thing that you were doing that you were kind of getting good at.
ryan long
Of course.
joe rogan
And you're like, maybe I could be an artist.
I love comic books.
Maybe I could draw comic books.
ryan long
The art teacher says no.
joe rogan
This guy was such a cunt.
He was such a cunt.
You're like, oh my god, I gotta get away from you.
So negative.
ryan long
It's kind of a weird thing with art because, you know, it is true when someone says, hey, you know, this isn't a good idea.
Like, they're right, statistically.
So there is something to be said about, like, I always, I feel like you actually need most people being like, listen, this is probably a bad idea to try to be a comedian.
Like, that is the actual responsibility.
So when parents, they're like, that's, okay, that's not a good idea.
They're right.
But you only need one person that's like, you can, though.
Like, you need one guy in your corner.
You can't have every person says no, because then it's too, you know, you're too afraid.
But I think that a lot of times...
There's this weird, like, sometimes people say you need too much support.
Like, you know what I mean?
Like, if everyone's like, you could do this, like, because the people that are going to make it, you are going to break through a level of adversity, usually, you know, the people are going to make it work.
They don't care that people are saying no.
But if everyone's saying no, I feel like that's what, like, ruins some people that could have been great.
joe rogan
Everyone's saying no?
So like their family's saying no?
ryan long
Yeah, like imagine your dad's like, listen, go to school.
This probably isn't a good idea.
Your mom's saying that.
Maybe your teacher's saying that.
But then you had one teacher that's like, no, you got something here.
Like give one encouraging person for a guy.
Like I think a lot of young dudes don't have like one encouraging person.
joe rogan
That's interesting.
Yeah.
Well, I think also...
Whatever the fuck you're trying to do, whether you're trying to do stand-up comedy or anything else, it's gonna be a long-ass road.
And you can't hope you get successful really quickly.
And the problem with comedy, as opposed to everything else, is that people think they have, like, a giant head start.
Like, people who...
A lot of people who have the courage to do it are a little delusional about, like...
ryan long
And you need a little bit of that.
joe rogan
Yeah, you need a little bit of that.
But those people, like, when you...
It's a fine line.
ryan long
That's what I mean.
joe rogan
We really don't know until it works like so many different people succeed in stand-up comedy that you wouldn't have thought would have if you didn't know any better or if you didn't if you didn't see them in Like the first year of their career when they sucked.
Yeah, if you only saw them like seven eight years later You would probably never imagine how bad they sucked years ago There's certain guys like that.
ryan long
Or how much of a dick they were or something, you know?
joe rogan
But it's all about constant improvement and constantly working at it.
And some people just don't do that, man.
The thing about comedy is nobody tells you to do it.
If you're a comic, you can kind of fuck off.
ryan long
Especially if you're in New York and you kind of are making a living, maybe you have a podcast, you can really just do the bare minimum.
joe rogan
Yeah!
You just do a few sets here and there and do the same 15 minutes.
ryan long
But whenever you see those people, like I always kind of, you know, like a little bit binary with people.
I'm always like, would you bet on that guy?
Like when you see someone two, three years in, I don't say, I never, that's what I say.
I go, I don't say like, are they, how, what, what should they do better?
What should they do worse?
Like, you know, what, what moves should they make?
Should this guy be this?
Should he be that?
I just go, would you bet on that guy?
And if yes, he'll figure the rest out.
joe rogan
Yeah.
ryan long
That's what I usually think.
unidentified
Yeah.
ryan long
And there's a few people I can think like that where I'm like, I bet.
And then there's public people you'll see.
Like, you'll see someone come on the scene and you go, that guy's gonna be huge.
Like, you can just tell.
joe rogan
Oh, yeah.
There's certain guys that just, there's certain people that just have a thing.
And you're like, wow, you got a thing.
I love that.
ryan long
When you see a new guy, you go, who's this guy?
joe rogan
Yeah.
And then there's other people that just keep getting a little better.
Just keep getting a little better.
And then you see him a year later, you're like, nice man.
I like how you tighten that up.
ryan long
Compound.
joe rogan
Keep getting better.
Like the first time I saw Tim Dillon, he was very funny.
He was very funny.
But the second time I saw him was a long time later.
Second time I saw him live was a long time later.
I was like, holy shit.
ryan long
Yeah.
joe rogan
I go, dude, that was amazing.
ryan long
Something clicks, right?
joe rogan
Yeah, he was just doing the road a lot.
He said he was just constantly doing the road.
So he's like doing all these headliner spots.
He's doing so much time.
He's like everything just tightened up and you know...
ryan long
Especially when you're doing a...
There's different personalities that are easier to do when you're starting.
Let's say you're a big, fun, fat guy.
That personality, six months in, can kind of connect.
But if you're being an asshole, there's so many people where you're like, yo, that's really funny, but not enough funny for how much of you're being an asshole.
joe rogan
Right.
You're not likable at all.
ryan long
I'm that!
It took me forever to figure out that right balance of telling the audience I'm better than them, but also, I don't know.
joe rogan
There's also a defensive thing, too, right?
Because if you think you're going to bomb, a little bit of video is like, fuck these people.
unidentified
You don't want to admit that you're not doing it right yet.
joe rogan
You want to believe that it's them.
ryan long
Yeah.
The audience has no data whatsoever.
This is what I was kind of thinking of, what I kind of feel like the audience sometimes.
Because there is comics that almost treat it like a job, especially in cities.
I'm sure in LA you saw a lot of this.
Boston, you probably saw a ton of this.
The guys that...
It's a very, like, a job for them where they go, Hey, you know...
Oh yeah, the 10 o'clock's pretty good, the 11 o'clock, you know, a little bit of a loud table at the back, the sex stuff doesn't go, you probably want to keep it to the relationship material for the table, like, it's very, you know, like, we want the audience to have a good time, that's the job, right?
joe rogan
Right, right.
ryan long
And I was kind of thinking, like, it's almost, you know the game Keep Up?
joe rogan
No.
ryan long
Where you're playing with, let's say, a soccer ball and you're just trying to keep it in the air with your feet.
joe rogan
Oh, okay.
ryan long
Yeah, just a simple game like that, or hacky sack, right?
joe rogan
Right.
ryan long
I feel like sometimes stand-ups keep up, where if you just say the job is to keep the ball in the air, that's the job, but then you go, what's the guy doing when the ball's in the air?
The other guy's underneath doing a flip, then he puts it up.
But if you're just watching the ball in the air, that's the audience.
So there is data.
If it fell down, you go, that didn't work.
joe rogan
Right.
ryan long
But the data is like...
The job is to keep the ball in the air, keep the audience happy, but then what else are you doing while you're even able to do that?
That's kind of how I think of stand-up a little bit sometimes.
joe rogan
Interesting.
That's an interesting way to think about it.
ryan long
Because you're like, yeah, those two people both killed.
They both did the job.
You're like, that guy did a backflip and then did the ball.
That guy just kept it up again.
joe rogan
Yeah.
Well, I definitely feel like that if I feel like someone is using tricks.
Like if someone's killing with tricks.
All of the tricks.
ryan long
You ever seen someone kill and you're just like, oh man, they're like someone that you know and they're like, oh man, that guy's killing.
And I didn't know they kill like that and you walk and you come, ah, it's crowd work.
Crowd work.
The person slaughtering you go, oh, I didn't know that Kevin killed like that or whatever.
I'm making up a name.
joe rogan
Yeah, crowd work is an interesting one.
Because sometimes it's the most fun.
Sometimes when something goes wrong, it's the most fun.
ryan long
Oh, it's so fun!
joe rogan
Of course!
Just the live moment of just being around people and doing stand-up.
It's like they know that you might fuck up at any moment.
They know that you're killing and everything's going great.
But we're all locked in in this weird hive mind.
And when something goes wrong, or something happens, or some crazy person, there's something about it, as long as you can keep it in line, there's something about it that's kind of exciting because it's like, yeah, this is live.
ryan long
Yeah.
joe rogan
This is live.
This is how it really is.
ryan long
I know.
joe rogan
This isn't just a planned out performance.
Shit can go sideways.
It's fun.
Like, people like Watching people do a little hide-wired walk, you know, like there's something about love it.
They enjoy it.
ryan long
So when shit goes sideways during a show No, and it's and there's the there's such like the subtle differences that you kind of like hone over the year of like I'm sure you've done a bit that You know, you kind of started saying at the beginning of you know working on it and people in the audience were like Finally someone says that you know and then you find like nine months later You're doing that bit and people in the audience are kind of like yeah You're like, was this a hot take nine months ago and now everyone agrees with that?
joe rogan
Hot takes are way more transient today, don't you think?
ryan long
Yes.
I mean, I don't even mean like a cultural hot take.
I mean like a, you know, this whole idea is out.
It could even be like an idea, you know, discussion or whatever.
But yeah, yeah, of course hot takes.
You get four months out of them maybe, yeah.
joe rogan
It used to be a hot take could last a long time.
Narratives were established and they lasted a long time.
unidentified
Yeah.
joe rogan
Look how quick the pregnant man became an emoji.
ryan long
Of course.
joe rogan
It was really quick.
ryan long
And someone does it perfect, right?
You know what they need is the titties teacher needs to get like a fake pregnant belly and come in and be like, I'm pregnant now?
joe rogan
Yes.
I need pregnancy time.
ryan long
Yeah.
Pregnant man is pregnant.
joe rogan
And everybody was like, okay, you get it.
You get your pregnancy time.
They would want 100% letter.
Him, it, she, them, they, whatever I'm supposed to say.
I don't know if he's running a con.
That's what the claim is.
But it could also be that's how they want to move around in disguise.
That's not their true identity.
Their true identity is her with the capital Z tits.
ryan long
When you looked in the mirror without the tits...
I'm looking at a stranger right now.
joe rogan
It's just so wild that the school's like, yeah, go ahead.
ryan long
I'm living in a stranger's body without big tits.
joe rogan
Yeah, without big tits, I just don't know who I am.
ryan long
How funny is it being a guy that being like, you know, that's how I see my wife.
That's why she needs to get implants, because I have this thing in my head.
When I look at her, I just picture...
joe rogan
God, we're so weird.
ryan long
It's such a weird time for everything.
joe rogan
It's such a weird time for everything.
People just, like, there's something about this.
The pandemic accelerated everything.
Because it accelerated this disconnect that we have with each other.
It accelerated the division between the right and the left.
It accelerated everything.
And it also accelerated this weird culture war.
It accelerated all this gender pronoun stuff and so much trans stuff.
And it's like there's a...
There's like an ideological storm that's going on, it seems like.
ryan long
To me, it felt like it was...
joe rogan
Anxiety, and then Ukraine, like, this idea that we have to support Ukraine.
unidentified
Like, how much information do you have about this?
Yeah, yeah, yeah.
joe rogan
To say that you're like, we should be supporting the potential start of World War III. Like, how much information do you have?
ryan long
Well, I know that I'm a good guy if I do it.
That's all really I need.
joe rogan
Exactly.
Do you know about the potential outcomes if this progresses?
Jan!
ryan long
Boring!
joe rogan
Not interested.
I'm just telling you to put a Ukraine flag in my bio.
You can put a Ukraine flag in your bio with zero understanding of what's going on.
unidentified
Sure!
ryan long
I did a video about that.
Did you?
Yeah, I did a I'm a Ukraine guy video.
joe rogan
Your fucking videos are very funny, dude.
I really enjoy them.
ryan long
I appreciate that.
joe rogan
I enjoy that you take so many chances and you just fuck around all the time and you're always doing new subjects.
It's really fun.
ryan long
Yeah, that's all I've been...
Since I was, like, young, I just, like, wanted to make videos.
joe rogan
Yeah, your videos are great.
They're really fun.
ryan long
But that's...
You know how you're saying, like, everything got wild.
It's kind of crazy, like...
And just because...
The industry did change so much, but like the way that things are decentralized and the players, you know, like you, someone like you or, you know, like Louie and Burr retweeting videos, like to me, that's like moving America.
Like that's way cooler than anything that could be happening at Comedy Central or whatever.
Like to me, that's so the way that the games like changed and that's so much more important.
Like I have a manager that legitimately I don't talk to, you know, Every once in a while, he'll call me and be like, hey, you should write a movie about this and try to pitch it.
And I'll be like, yeah, yeah, get on that.
And then, you know, sort of like get off the phone.
And he'll be like, they'll say me things like, do you want to audition for this?
And I'll be like, no.
And then I'll be like, tell people I'm offer only.
And he goes, okay.
Well, anyways, no offers.
So that's, I guess, that.
And you're just like, what is this even?
Like, this is...
The podcasting, touring, making videos.
I'm running a production studio.
I've got six employees.
This is so much better than, in my opinion, what it was before.
So everything has a positive and negative.
joe rogan
Well, if you wanted to do television shows, though, if that was your thing...
unidentified
I did.
I did.
ryan long
That's all I wanted to do.
joe rogan
You know, you can kind of do the same thing now with video.
I mean, didn't Ridley Scott just film an entire movie with this new Samsung Galaxy S23 Ultra?
ryan long
Yeah.
joe rogan
These fucking cameras on modern smartphones are so good.
ryan long
It's all the People are filming movies.
joe rogan
They did one on an iPhone as well, right?
ryan long
Of course.
joe rogan
You can kind of do it now.
I mean, you kind of can do that now.
These things have 8K video.
ryan long
No, the whole thing's very...
It's all, you know, become a great editor.
It's like the most important thing.
joe rogan
Do it.
You can do it yourself.
What my point is like and you can upload it yourself and it'll get seen instantly and people can share it.
The craziest thing ever that's happening now is the ability to just share something.
So if you put up a video and it resonates and people are like Ryan killed it!
And then I'll send it, I'll send it to this guy, this guy, I'll send it to that guy, and then boom.
And the videos just go up, man.
It's wild.
ryan long
I've had so many of those.
joe rogan
It's all friends.
Friends finding it at work.
ryan long
And not even publicly.
Sending it privately, which is...
A lot of my philosophy with my podcast and everything is kind of like the way that guys talk when girls aren't there.
And when a girl's there, it's a little different.
And I kind of think of the videos that way, too.
And just I'll do it, even though I maybe shouldn't.
I just do it the way I do it, right?
And yeah, when you have that many people sharing it all, it just created this whole new ecosystem.
Do you know how it used to be?
Yeah, making TV shows was cool, and I still would want to do that.
joe rogan
Yeah, everybody wanted a Comedy Central show or an HBO show.
ryan long
I made a few TV shows when I was in Canada.
joe rogan
Everybody wanted a sitcom.
The sitcom days in the 90s, man, that's all anybody wanted.
It was like the gold rush.
It was literally like people were coming out here.
They were pioneers.
They were biting rocks.
ryan long
What about a janitor?
joe rogan
Yeah, bro, it was crazy.
ryan long
What about a janitor and he wears a weird hat and he's a detective?
joe rogan
Mitzi had a bunch of ideas that she was trying to pitch through the store.
She was going to develop them through the store.
ryan long
Loves a guy with a hook, yeah.
joe rogan
Yeah, but there was like...
Fuck, man, that was the Gold Rush.
Kevin James, Roseanne, yeah, there's, you know, the Jerry Seinfelds of the world, you know, that was the fear.
ryan long
Yes, dear, just all these random ones you forget about.
joe rogan
Yeah, yeah, Tim Allen.
If you could get a fucking sitcom, you were made, man.
So everybody was just doing that.
And now it's different.
Now it's like that doesn't even really exist anymore.
There's such a small amount of sitcoms.
It's not like the old days where every network had sitcoms on Tuesday, Wednesday, Monday, Sunday.
They had sitcoms Thursday.
Sitcoms were on all the time.
Now, I don't think they have that many anymore.
There's like a few on Netflix.
ryan long
If you watch a laugh track sitcom now, you're just like, yo, this is crazy.
joe rogan
It's weird.
Why are these people laughing in your house?
You have a fucking audience in your house while you guys are arguing about who leaves the seat up.
ryan long
This is a horror movie, dude.
Yeah, why aren't they scared?
joe rogan
It's a horror movie!
It's a horror movie, that's funny.
ryan long
People in the attic that keep laughing at you whenever you do.
joe rogan
Every time you fuck up, there's just roars of laughter.
You're in hell.
You're under the microscope forever and ever and ever.
ryan long
Ryan, you didn't open the jar right again!
joe rogan
Dude, that's a Black Mirror episode if I've ever heard one.
You're trapped in a sitcom.
ryan long
What about this?
A horror movie and a guy that's killing every podcaster that was on this one podcast.
joe rogan
What does this say?
They're increasing?
jamie vernon
There's three times as many scripted shows now as there was in 2000. Yeah, but sitcom.
ryan long
Multi-camera sitcoms.
joe rogan
Sitcoms?
No, no, I understand.
I understand comedy is included, but what I'm talking about is comedy by itself.
I just mean sitcoms.
I understand there's scripted shows, but that also includes Law& Order, that includes Game of Thrones, that includes...
What I'm saying is...
ryan long
Oh, okay.
You're saying there's more TV shows.
jamie vernon
There's more TV shows in general and there's less comedy.
ryan long
Less comedy, right?
joe rogan
There's definitely more TV shows than ever, but I want to know how many sitcoms are there now?
Is there a list of that?
ryan long
With a laugh track.
joe rogan
Yeah, those.
The old school kind.
Multicam.
ryan long
Yo, like legitimately where there's a studio audience laughing.
I know...
joe rogan
Where everybody has to stand sideways when they talk.
Because the camera's right here.
unidentified
Yeah, yeah.
joe rogan
You have to like stand sideways and talk like this.
ryan long
I mean, Big Bang Theory was maybe pretty recent, I guess.
joe rogan
Yeah, that was pretty recent.
ryan long
I mean, it went to pretty recent.
It didn't start pretty recent.
joe rogan
The Roseanne show that got cancelled, that was pretty recent.
ryan long
I don't know if it had a laugh track or whatever, but...
joe rogan
I think it had an audience.
I mean, when you say laugh track...
ryan long
Studio audience.
joe rogan
It was a studio audience.
ryan long
Okay.
jamie vernon
They just brought back Night Court.
unidentified
What?
jamie vernon
That is a sitcom, and they remade it.
John Larroquette's on it.
joe rogan
No shit.
Yeah.
There's a Damon Wayans show that's in the works.
ryan long
Hell yeah.
joe rogan
On CBS? Yeah, there's stuff out there.
jamie vernon
It's just like, no one's watching.
joe rogan
Yeah.
But there's way less than there used to be, though, right?
Isn't it?
Because back in the Friends days, when I was on news radio, Caroline and the City, there was like, every night there was multiple sitcoms.
ryan long
And they were big deals.
These are, you know, a run on some new network.
You go, what's that channel?
You go, we just invented it.
joe rogan
Yeah, and I remember, like, CBS was big on dramas.
CBS for drama.
And NBC had the sitcoms, and then ABC had some big sitcoms, too, but, man.
ryan long
I do feel like moving, like, I think of my biggest mistake when I look back at my life.
Not my biggest, but, like, one of the things I, like, regret.
Was stupid, that I won't do again, I don't think, was I was very, very set on, like, making TV shows.
Like, I really, like, love Tom Green, and I was, like, I was doing all these DVDs, and I was so, like, set on that, that I followed that, like, dream four years after it was, like, over.
Do you know what I mean?
I was like, no one cared about TV. It was like over.
I was sort of like not in vogue in television.
But I just like, I was so set.
So I try to be more, I think moving into like as more technological everything gets, the more mobility mentally and physically will be like rewarded in most industries more so than ever before.
That's what I think.
joe rogan
You might be right.
unidentified
Yeah.
joe rogan
I'm always curious where things are going.
ryan long
Would you ever do a sitcom or a movie again?
No.
joe rogan
I don't think so.
ryan long
Have you just made a movie?
joe rogan
I would do a movie with a friend for fun.
ryan long
Yes.
joe rogan
Last movie I did was with Kevin James.
He's a good friend of mine.
It was fun.
ryan long
Yeah, that's cool.
joe rogan
I did a couple of them with him.
But it's just too time consuming and it's not my favorite thing to do.
ryan long
Super time consuming.
unidentified
That's all it is.
joe rogan
And it's not that I don't think it's fun.
Because it is fun.
I love doing news radio.
News radio was a lot of fun.
But other things are fun too.
And they don't take as much time and I enjoy them more.
Like I enjoy podcasts more than I ever enjoyed acting.
I enjoy like having scientists on and getting to fucking pick their brain and ask questions and talking to world champion athletes and comedians.
It's fucking fun.
So like if I was...
Like, do you want to act?
Well, the problem is it takes too much time and it's not as fun as the other thing.
ryan long
Yeah, it really isn't.
joe rogan
It's not as fun.
ryan long
And you're never...
Like, the top level of acting is you can cry and do a lot of different characters.
All the other stuff, you're just like, I don't know.
I guess they're all good at it.
joe rogan
Right, there's some like regular detective TV show type actors.
ryan long
Who couldn't do that?
joe rogan
Who can't fucking do that?
Who can't pretend to be a detective on like a CBS 10pm drama?
unidentified
Yeah.
ryan long
How many people like rappers and everything like that just became actors and they're all...
joe rogan
Basketball players fit right in.
ryan long
Whatever.
Nothing else in the world has that ever happened with.
No guy's been like, you know what, I've done enough rapping, I'm gonna go be the best dentist in the world.
joe rogan
Exactly!
Because if you really think about it, how many people have done that?
How about Jesse Ventura?
ryan long
He went back and forth.
joe rogan
Guy was a Navy SEAL. He's a UDT diver.
Then he goes on to become a WWE Champion and a big movie star.
Then he becomes the governor of Minnesota.
ryan long
Yeah.
Yeah, you know, wild.
And then I think, yeah, he's had like a crazy run.
joe rogan
Crazy run.
ryan long
The wrestler.
A lot of wrestlers have big careers after.
joe rogan
Well, they're big personalities.
And also the character that you have to have to endure the punishment those guys take.
I mean, those guys are beating the fuck out of each other.
They're throwing each other on top of tables and fucking beating each other into turnstiles.
Like, you get rattled.
Like, everyone's getting rattled.
ryan long
For, like, no money at the beginning, too.
So there's, like, a love for it.
joe rogan
Yeah.
It's a hard way to make a living.
unidentified
Yeah.
ryan long
Well, that used to be one of my favorite things to watch.
joe rogan
Pro wrestling?
ryan long
Well, the old wrestling documentaries.
joe rogan
You should get together with Tony.
ryan long
I actually do like pro wrestling, but I really like the old...
That was more when I was young.
I don't follow that now, but the Jake the Snake documentary.
And some of them are so wild, dude, where you're just like, this guy was the king of the world, and you're like, here's my shack that I live in, and my wife who's a hooker.
unidentified
What?
ryan long
I don't know, just like these wild lives.
He's like, here's my pills I gotta take so I can walk, and it's like, you know, a pill drawer the size of a barrel.
It just goes on and on.
joe rogan
Diamond Dallas Page has this whole yoga thing that he does to rehabilitate these guys.
It's amazing.
He's achieved some amazing results.
And Jake the Snake, too.
He went with him.
He's so agile for a guy that like has a completely fucked up back.
He just does yoga every day.
ryan long
Yeah.
joe rogan
And he does his sort of dynamic style of yoga and it's like he's got all these videos where he shows guys that were all fucked up with back injuries and he slowly worked them up to the point where they can run.
ryan long
Do you do yoga?
joe rogan
Yeah, I do yoga.
Yeah.
ryan long
I've had very bad voice issues over my life and I had to get surgery and stuff.
joe rogan
What was it?
ryan long
I just had like nodes, but like crazy ones.
joe rogan
Do you scream in yoga?
ryan long
Yeah, I got them from yoga.
unidentified
You wanna tell me what to do?
ryan long
Namaste!
joe rogan
A yoga class that did not enforce any discipline and let you scream if it hurt.
Because that's the whole thing about yoga is everybody just deals with their own shit.
You can't just be like, oh, fuck!
ryan long
You know what's funny?
Fuck!
unidentified
I can't keep my fucking foot up, bro!
joe rogan
Imagine if that's your yoga class.
It's like part of it is you're allowed to express yourself any way you like.
People would completely take advantage of it.
All these needy, narcissistic fucks would be just screaming in every yoga class.
unidentified
Rage yoga.
joe rogan
It's rage yoga?
ryan long
Rage yoga?
unidentified
They're all flipped right off and shit and they're drinking alcohol.
ryan long
He's giving them the middle finger?
joe rogan
Look, they have fucking beer in the class.
That's hilarious.
It's not a bar, but yeah.
Calling everyone yoga buses.
What a great idea.
That's in Kansas City?
What's the bar?
Give a shout out to the bar.
What a great idea.
They're drinking and doing yoga.
ryan long
I did yoga once and it really helped, but I hated it so much.
I was like, yeah, that helped a lot, but I hated it so much.
I was like, we're not going to be doing that again.
joe rogan
It's hard.
ryan long
It stinks.
joe rogan
It's very hard.
But you get better at it if you keep doing it, and it's really good for your body.
And it's also like it does something to your brain chemicals that I think it's very hard to get in other workouts.
It relaxes you in a different way.
It sounds stupid to say, because it's so cliche, but you're more peaceful.
ryan long
Yeah.
joe rogan
It literally makes you more peaceful.
ryan long
So then rage yoga you think is fun.
It's a terrible idea!
You know what's funny though?
joe rogan
It sounds like fun.
Anything that gets you doing something.
ryan long
I know a guy that did gay conversion therapy.
joe rogan
Oh boy.
ryan long
And he said it's a lot of that.
joe rogan
Screaming at each other?
With hard-ons?
What is that?
What did you just show me, Jamie?
Let it go.
Screaming the new yoga.
Oh, so this is a new yoga for screamers.
Okay.
A powerful way to vent your frustrations and release stress.
Shouting at the top of your lungs could very well be the star wellness trend of 2021. Well, you missed that.
That was a bad prognostication.
unidentified
Yeah, yeah, yeah.
ryan long
That didn't work out.
That is a bold move, too.
You go 2022. Yeah, you go 2021, 2023. You go...
I think in the next two years, screaming yoga is going to be the whole thing.
joe rogan
The reason why in yoga, it's important to be quiet in yoga is because it's good for you too.
It's good for you to learn it and keep your shit to yourself.
Like this idea that you're supposed to scream out at every emotion you feel and every pain and every twitch.
Like you never hear anybody in yoga class going like, ahhhh!
Never.
ryan long
No, it's crazy.
joe rogan
But you'll hear wild shit at the gym where people are putting on a show.
ryan long
Yeah, that's...
joe rogan
Then you have that other gym that won't even let you make noise when you work out.
ryan long
They have a silent gym?
joe rogan
Planet Fitness.
ryan long
Wait, Planet Fitness says no noises?
joe rogan
Yeah, isn't it Planet Fitness?
Is that the company?
Lunk alarm.
Yeah.
ryan long
And everything's in black and white?
joe rogan
Yeah, if you're too loud, they kick you out.
They have an alarm that goes off.
I'm not kidding.
It's a lunk alarm.
ryan long
That is embarrassing though, eh?
Getting kicked out because you're too loud.
joe rogan
If you look at that, for anyone who grunts, drops weight, or judges.
ryan long
What's judging?
unidentified
You can't judge.
ryan long
What's judging?
joe rogan
Hey bro, I don't like the way you're doing your squats.
ryan long
You call that a squat?
unidentified
Alright.
joe rogan
Call it a squat bitch.
Yeah, that's judgy.
You can't be judgy.
ryan long
You can't be judgy.
joe rogan
So you can't be a lot of things, and you can't make noise.
They kick you out.
ryan long
Yeah, come by, tell a guy, hey, we have a men's section too, stuff like that.
joe rogan
Well, it's kind of, they're kind of right, though, if they want it to be like yoga class.
You just work out really hard and don't make any noises.
Don't be grunting, bro.
ryan long
I don't do huge grunts, but like zero noise.
joe rogan
At what point is it officially a grunt?
unidentified
What if it's just fucking breathing hard?
Yeah, yeah, yeah.
joe rogan
Are you allowed to do that?
No, that's too much noise.
You have to lift like this.
ryan long
Yeah, you have to scare them like a scared child.
joe rogan
Yeah, you have to only breathe out.
Gently.
ryan long
They wouldn't want me there, because I go, take that, Dad!
unidentified
Yeah, Dad!
joe rogan
Look at this, no super setting.
Please refrain from doing the following exercises.
T-rows, overhead presses, clean and jerks, and deadlifts.
That's too far.
Those are exercises that make you grunt.
They took it too far.
They took it too far.
No, you can't tell someone they can't deadlift at a gym.
That's ridiculous.
Not at our gym.
It's one of the most important lifts that you do.
Planet Fitness, I know.
I mean, I still do it.
I do it with kettlebells and light weights, but I do it.
Well, I get it, but if you have weights, people are going to lift the weights.
For you to tell people that they can't use them properly is stupid.
ryan long
I think Arnold would call that a girly man, Jim.
joe rogan
Girly man.
Yeah, so they have regular...
Is that a Smith machine?
That looks like a Smith machine.
Yeah.
So do they have regular weights or just Smith machine weights?
That one picture had...
unidentified
You can't really deadlift them.
joe rogan
I mean they must have.
No, they have dumbbells over in the corner.
So like to say that you can't like clean an overhead press with dumbbells, like what are you talking about?
What can I do?
I can't deadlift?
What about with dumbbells?
Can I do lunges?
Like what am I allowed to do?
ryan long
Yeah, that's crazy.
joe rogan
You're limiting the actual exercises that people can do?
ryan long
How do you think that even happened?
Like was someone, was that the complaining community was emboldened?
joe rogan
Well, I think people want a place where they can go and just work out at their own pace.
And they don't want to go to a gym that has a bunch of competitive, hyper people that are really into powerlifting and screaming at each other.
If you go to a real hardcore gym, these real hardcore powerlifting gyms like Westside Barbell, When you go to those gyms, people are screaming at each other.
Screaming at each other.
ryan long
Let's go!
joe rogan
Let's go!
They're doing crazy bench presses and overheads and squats and deadlifts.
Those guys scream at each other.
You don't want that.
If you're a little old lady who just wants to read her Kindle.
ryan long
Or like a scrawny comedian.
joe rogan
Walk on a treadmill.
You don't want to be around that.
So you want a place that's an alternative to that.
ryan long
I will say I don't love when someone spots me without me asking.
Like, it just feels a little, like, condescending or something.
joe rogan
It's a little.
ryan long
Like, you could do something, the guy comes out and just, like, grabs your arms, like, alright, bro, let's go, get off of me.
joe rogan
Yeah, what are you doing?
ryan long
Who are you?
joe rogan
What are you doing?
ryan long
Yeah, yeah, yeah, you touch me.
joe rogan
They're only 15. I'm your new friend, bro!
ryan long
Yeah, you got it.
joe rogan
They're 15. We're gonna be here every day at 10 a.m.
Like, what?
unidentified
Yeah, yeah.
joe rogan
What the fuck happened?
ryan long
Three weeks later, you're like, what is...
Now I live with the guy?
joe rogan
He's eating your Cheerios.
Hey man, where's my fucking Cheerios?
Sorry bro, I'll get you back.
ryan long
This one really got away from me.
unidentified
Oh no, this guy's living with me now.
ryan long
So it starts, dude.
joe rogan
Some people can just figure out a way into your life, man.
ryan long
Yeah, don't let your friends drink and drive or gym and drive.
joe rogan
Some fucking crazy con artist.
With guys, it's so easy for a girl to do that.
Like, if a guy's a single guy and a girl's a con artist and she's hot, she just slips right into your life.
ryan long
Uh-huh.
joe rogan
Like, you ever had a friend that just like, what are you doing, man?
Hey, man, what are you doing?
You know you're living with a con artist?
ryan long
Wait, what?
joe rogan
You know you're living with a con artist?
ryan long
Like the guy will say that?
joe rogan
No, no.
Are we miscommunicating?
ryan long
Yeah, on this one.
Sorry.
joe rogan
I'm saying that like if you're a hot woman and you're like a con artist, like you can wheezy away into a guy's life pretty easy.
ryan long
One thousand percent.
joe rogan
Pretty easy if you're hot.
ryan long
Yes.
There's like...
There's right now probably over millions of men in America that are living with the Conners that have no idea.
joe rogan
If you're like a dude, okay, let's propose this scenario.
If you're a dude and you're like a six on your best day, and there's this nine Russian chick, she's like a nine, and she meets you at work and she says, I really like your smile.
And all of a sudden you're like...
She likes my smile.
ryan long
Yeah.
joe rogan
Before you know it, she's living with you.
She's on your credit cards.
You're leasing her a car.
ryan long
They know how to do it, too.
joe rogan
They can get in with...
If a man is not in the same league as a woman, if a woman is way hotter than him, and he's single and he's been lonely and he's looking for a relationship, and a girl like that comes along and is nice to him, It's almost irresistible.
I've seen guys that were very wealthy guys that all of a sudden this hot woman's living with them and I'm like, okay, well, this is just like someone's going to extract a bunch of money from you and then abandon you.
ryan long
And there's nothing you can do about it.
joe rogan
Yeah.
You realize sometimes people are being preyed upon.
ryan long
Yeah, there's certain dudes that I always say that they're the kind of person and then they'll let themselves get prayed and then they'll kind of blow up and be like, I've had enough!
And you're like three years later after you took all your money or whatever.
Those people need to be with someone that's nice because if you're like a mark, you just need someone that you can trust them to not take advantage of you.
joe rogan
Yeah, they just need someone nice.
And sometimes they don't find it, though.
Sometimes they get conned.
ryan long
At least the pickup artist dudes, they sleep with you and that's it.
They don't Tinder swindler.
There's a few, but most of the dudes, at least they're just trying to sleep with you and that's the end of it.
joe rogan
Yeah, it's a weird thing because it disturbs me a little bit.
When I see people get conned or when I feel like someone is making a ploy to get a hold of someone's money.
But it doesn't bother me nearly as much as seeing if a really young, hot guy is doing that to an old lady.
There's something disturbing about that to me.
ryan long
It's like sickening.
joe rogan
There's something sad about this.
You know, like when you see, because every now and then like a hot male con artist will get involved with an older rich divorcee.
ryan long
Yeah.
joe rogan
And there's this like real sad aspect to it because he's pretending.
He's pretending to like her just to get to her money and she's very jealous.
Where are you going out?
Relax, I'm just going out with my friends.
And he's like hot and 30 and she's like 62. I think I know why it's sad.
Something sad about that.
ryan long
I think I know why because with the girl guy one...
joe rogan
Team trolled for proposing to soulmate 76. How many billions to scream I have?
ryan long
Yeah, I think this...
No, not fake!
Like he was messing with people.
Like, he convinced everyone.
It wasn't like, yeah, he did it on purpose, like it was a prank.
joe rogan
It's a troll.
ryan long
Yeah, yeah, a troll.
But if you think of a guy, and you go, your 70-year-old friend, right?
And some 20-year-old girl, you go, well, he's like, I want to have sex with her.
And he is getting what he's being, at least...
Whereas the girl, she's like, oh, I have this emotional connection with this guy.
So she's getting sold a more fake thing than the guy.
joe rogan
100%.
ryan long
Maybe that's why it's a little more sad.
joe rogan
But it's also the power thing, the power dynamic.
There's something that doesn't bother me at all about an old rich guy that gives up some of his money to some crafty young hooker.
ryan long
Exactly that, too.
joe rogan
I find that hilarious.
unidentified
I'm like, ah!
joe rogan
First of all, he's old as fuck.
He's still got most of his money.
Whatever.
He'll be fine.
But an old lady that thinks that she's actually in love with this young man.
ryan long
I love it, dude.
Some of my favorite things is when you see a wedding photo and it's just the fattest, oldest dude with some 21-year-old.
And especially because he's rich, so he's probably somewhat not a total moron.
So if you told him that, you're like, she's just using you, bro.
And he's probably like...
Yeah, no one cares.
joe rogan
Men don't care.
But it's also, the woman is attracted to the amount of money and power that the guy has for some strange reason, where men aren't generally as attracted to a woman's power and money.
Generally, we're more attracted to, I mean, it is an attractive quality, but we gravitate towards bodies and faces and personalities.
unidentified
Yeah, yeah.
joe rogan
It's like guys don't necessarily dwell too much on other shit.
Whereas women do.
So if a woman sees a guy that's like a literal billionaire, like a Rupert Murdoch type dude, That's gotta be like there's something about that.
It's got to be weirdly attractive.
ryan long
And there's the power that he's kind of the top dog at this place.
joe rogan
The amount of resources that he has.
ryan long
The resources!
So many kids.
joe rogan
He had a hot wife, too.
Didn't he just get divorced?
Didn't Rupert Murdoch...
Is Rupert Murdoch divorced?
Did I just make that up?
We might have to edit that out.
Let me say it again.
ryan long
That seems like you have some...
joe rogan
I don't know if he did or didn't.
I don't want to say he did, but my point is he had a hot wife.
ryan long
It seems like you've got some inside scoop.
You're like, did the divorce happen yet?
unidentified
Last year?
joe rogan
Yeah, okay, he did.
unidentified
Jerry Hall?
joe rogan
That's right.
Well, he had Jerry Hall, but even before Jerry Hall, he had a hot wife.
Another hot wife.
But Jerry Hall was Mick Jagger's wife.
Yeah, this Chinese lady.
ryan long
She went for Mick Jagger?
joe rogan
Was she Chinese?
I think so.
Oh my god, she's so hot.
ryan long
Wow!
joe rogan
Bro, she's so hot.
ryan long
Yo, respect though, right?
unidentified
Wow.
joe rogan
Third ex-wife, yeah, wasn't that long ago.
Third ex-wife.
Respect.
What is her nationality?
I don't want to be disrespectful.
Whatever it is, they're making some fucking hot ladies.
Whatever that nationality is.
Chinese-born American.
Yeah, okay.
That's it.
Whatever.
Wherever that lady's jeans are from, fucking kiss the dirt.
ryan long
She's not as fuck.
joe rogan
So look what he looked like, and look at her.
ryan long
He's doing okay.
joe rogan
He did okay.
He did pretty good.
Like, if he was a janitor, I would say his odds of securing that same woman would be very low.
ryan long
No, you're right.
He would have to be the other way around.
She'd be the, you know, 60-year-old, and he'd have to be a literal con artist.
Magician.
joe rogan
I wouldn't mind it.
If a woman is that old and the guy is young and hot like that, looks like that, like a male version of that lady, you would be like, what is going on here?
ryan long
Yeah.
joe rogan
What is going on here?
This is madness.
ryan long
What is this guy up to?
joe rogan
That guy's a creep.
ryan long
No one believes...
I mean, people say what she's up to, but you go, yeah, they're all up to that.
joe rogan
But no one cares.
No one cares.
You're like, wow, I can't believe he can get her.
That's all anybody says.
Nobody gets mad.
ryan long
Nice.
joe rogan
Nobody gets mad at her for trying to fuck him.
No one gets mad at her.
ryan long
Yeah.
joe rogan
But when you're looking at a really old lady, like a queen-type lady.
ryan long
Like you're scamming someone's grandma, dude.
joe rogan
Right.
Did you imagine if like a queen of a country...
ryan long
Just came through with like a twilight?
joe rogan
Some trainer starts fucking her.
Like some old queen, she gets a personal trainer and he starts fucking her and then she wants to marry him.
You're like, no way.
ryan long
Make him a king.
joe rogan
No fucking way.
We can't let this happen.
You'd be so sad.
ryan long
The young king.
joe rogan
But if a king...
Was injured and then he had his personal trainer help nurse him back to health and he starts fucking her and decides like, I want to marry her.
This is real love.
People are like, oh, that's sweet.
That's sweet.
ryan long
If she was 20, they might give her the Princess Di treatment where they slander her, though.
joe rogan
Sure they would, but I think it's way more accepted by the world.
The world wanted Princess Diane to be with Prince Charles.
The world wanted that.
That was the romantic thing that we thought of.
It's like, oh, look, the prince and the princess, they love each other.
This is amazing.
But, I mean...
ryan long
No, because there is.
You go, if you're like this, you know, what would be better if you go a 70-year-old woman, what has like, it just, because it does seem weird, whereas if 70-year-old witch woman, what you need is an 80-year-old richer man.
That would, you know, that would be like, nice, you know?
joe rogan
Right.
ryan long
That's what, that's what the move would be for.
joe rogan
At least you guys understand each other.
But if you're like an old, old dude, like a Rupert Murdoch type character, worth billions of dollars, you get something.
unidentified
Hmm.
ryan long
Mocho!
joe rogan
30-year-old wife and you're going out in the town with her.
Everybody knows what's going on.
ryan long
But because of that...
joe rogan
But nobody's upset.
ryan long
No one cares?
But it sort of flips a little bit in culture, obviously, because of all the new stuff.
You know, Leonardo DiCaprio's always getting shit.
Madonna has a young boyfriend.
joe rogan
Yeah, but that lady's 37. Yeah, yeah, yeah.
That's the difference.
She's not hot and 17. She's not illegal.
ryan long
Not a 25 year old.
unidentified
Yeah!
joe rogan
She's 37. I'm just guessing.
I'm guessing her age.
But she's beautiful.
But still.
It's like she knows what she's doing.
Everybody's okay.
ryan long
Well, the Leo ones, some of them are 24, I guess.
joe rogan
I'm not paying attention.
ryan long
Whatever happens over there, happens over there.
Once you went to 19, like, bro, you're almost 50. 19's pushing it, but I feel like the 19 was like him getting a picture taken beside a 19-year-old, and they're like, he's got another one!
This guy can't stop!
joe rogan
It could be.
They're so mad at him.
ryan long
But yeah, there's a bunch of, you know, like that Madonna.
I think Madonna's got some 23-year-old boyfriend.
joe rogan
No one cares.
No one cares at all about that, though.
That's a different thing.
ryan long
Famous people's a little different too, period.
joe rogan
Yeah.
Well, Madonna's also a wild lady.
ryan long
Looks great now.
Yeah.
joe rogan
Bro, what is going on?
ryan long
Plastic surgery's awesome.
joe rogan
It's so scary.
Someone needs to talk to her.
unidentified
Yeah.
joe rogan
Someone needs to talk to everybody who's, like, turning their face into a kabuki mask.
There's this thing that happens where they get these really crazy puffy face.
unidentified
Yeah.
joe rogan
Because they're injecting with fillers to try to get away all the wrinkles and lines.
And it makes it look like you're bruised up.
ryan long
It does.
joe rogan
It looks bruised up.
It looks like there's something...
There's a thing when you look at a person's face as like a ratio.
It all sort of lines up together.
ryan long
Yeah.
joe rogan
You know, that's a...
It's not the Fibonacci sequence, right, is it?
It's similar, but it's called the golden ratio.
That's right.
ryan long
The golden ratio is getting messed up.
joe rogan
When you start doing things to your lips and doing things to your cheeks and, like, you change...
You're not, like...
It weirds people out.
ryan long
You look like a monster.
joe rogan
You look weird.
You look weird.
ryan long
Well, I saw there was a good article.
Cosmo was kind of running.
It was like, oh, really?
We're still talking about women's faces in 2023?
And I was like...
I mean, showing up like that and then being like, we're not going to mention.
That's like your buddy showing up in like a, you know, like a top hat and he thinks you're not going to talk about it.
joe rogan
Do you think that if Stallone showed up at the Grammys with a face like that, that people wouldn't freak out?
Do you think...
unidentified
Front page.
joe rogan
Do you really think that has anything to do with misogyny?
unidentified
No.
joe rogan
Just to say that is so crazy...
Are we really talking about women's faces?
No, we're talking about human beings.
And plastic surgery.
What the fuck are you talking about?
Because you're a woman, you're exempt from the whole world seeing this?
ryan long
Also from a magazine that talks about women's faces.
joe rogan
Everyone's crazy.
Of course everyone's going to talk about that.
That's nuts.
Look at that.
I mean, first of all, look.
Age is a motherfucker, dude.
It just really is.
It's just a motherfucker.
ryan long
Yeah.
joe rogan
That's the one that's weird.
The side profile one, Jamie?
A little above that one?
Yeah, that one.
That one weirds me out.
That one's like, I don't know what's going on here, but don't go any further.
Danger.
But, you know, you look at pictures on her Instagram, pictures she posts up herself, like under the right lighting, with the right filters.
ryan long
That's how they do it, under the right lighting, the right thing, with the right, enough money.
joe rogan
She is, what, 60-something years old?
ryan long
So you can still work...
joe rogan
Yeah, look at that picture right there.
Is that that Sam High dude that dressed up like the devil?
Yeah.
Yeah, so there you go.
It's just...
Right there she doesn't look bad.
Right there she doesn't look bad, right?
Looks good.
ryan long
Oh, there we go.
joe rogan
Look, she still makes out.
She's pretending to blow people.
Crazy.
She looked good there, right?
Maybe it's moving around.
ryan long
Well, that's what they do.
They go, you know, you can still work at that, you know, you get to play a younger person.
It's gonna be a gross younger person, but you still get to be in the game.
joe rogan
That's the weirdest thing that happens to some of these women that do all this crazy plastic surgery is that they go from being so desirable to being kind of crazy looking.
ryan long
It looks insane.
joe rogan
It looks insane.
It's just a weird thing that people can do that, that we've figured out a way...
Like, they're gonna be able to reverse aging in our lifetimes, I think.
I think by the time you and I are old as fuck, they'll probably have figured out a way to turn the clock backwards.
Because they've already had some experimental things they've done with mice that have been effective, and they think that they're very close to figuring it out.
Yeah.
And probably you don't want that, because then you turn into Benjamin Button and you're a fucking baby again.
ryan long
Right, you go, you turn it...
That's gonna be a delicate one, where Madonna just shows up looking like a baby.
joe rogan
There's gonna be people that identify as babies, because they want to be babies.
And so then we find out that they're in preschool, and they tell them all the other babies to get them cigarettes.
Like, what the fuck is going on?
He's really 60. He's not a baby.
He just wanted to do it all over again.
And he dialed himself back to two years old, but with a 60-year-old's brain.
That's a great movie.
unidentified
Take that.
ryan long
You think that's happening soon?
joe rogan
Whoever wants that idea, take it.
ryan long
That's a huge one.
So you think that, like, within the next 10 years, I mean, the way things are moving right now is crazy, even with, like, ChatGPT, the way it was, like, four months ago versus now.
Like, things are on the move.
joe rogan
Yeah, it's the exponential increase in technological innovation.
It's like the way things happen, they happen in these big giant waves and then these technologies feed other new technologies.
And I think it's going to be the case with all of them.
I think it's medical science and I think it's technology and I think there's going to be a combination of the two of them eventually.
There's going to be something that technology devises that can fix a lot of problems that people have.
That's one of the uses of Neuralink.
They think they're gonna be able to help people that are injured and hurt, where they can't use parts of their body.
They can restore movement.
That's gonna be one of the first ways they use it.
There's ones that they're coming out with, they're gonna be able to reverse blindness.
You're gonna be able to give people the ability to see.
ryan long
Mr. B style.
joe rogan
In some sort of artificial...
No, no, not cataract surgery, but like an artificial eyeball.
ryan long
So is it a camera?
Is that essentially what it is?
joe rogan
Well, it's going to function the same way an eyeball does, but it's going to send images to your brain instead of through the normal biological course that it is now, where you're looking through your eyes and the rods and cones and everything goes through and you see what's going on.
What you're going to do is get a digitalized version of that.
You're going to get a computer version of fake eyeballs.
ryan long
It's gonna be a wild, like...
And then once that's connected to the internet, and then...
joe rogan
Dude, it's gonna be bizarre looking into someone's fake eyeballs.
ryan long
The ChatGPT thing made it weird where I'm just like, yo, are people just gonna have conversations with, like, two computers?
Like, it's just gonna be two computers talking to each other.
joe rogan
Look at this.
Brain implant startup backed by Bezos and Gates is testing mind-controlled computing on humans.
What the fuck, dude?
ryan long
I mean, people can't like this.
joe rogan
God damn it.
ryan long
MK ULTRA! MK ULTRA! You know, and it's like sometimes with the conspiracies, you're like, listen, there's a lot of people thinking a lot of conspiracy stuff right now.
Can you take it easy for a second?
You go, yeah, yeah.
Well, anyways, those guys are crazy.
Anyways, we're going to put chips in the brains within the week, and you go, take it easy.
joe rogan
What is the latest on the artificial eye thing?
The thing that I was just describing.
I don't know how much of what I said was fiction.
jamie vernon
They showed something during the last NeuroLinkedIn that you were describing that shows an ability to get light through in like pixelation form and they have it, I think it was somewhere around the range of like 10,000 pixels now and I think they get like 36,000 I think?
joe rogan
I think there was something else that I read that was independent of that that was talking about a new technology where they might be able to create artificial eyes.
jamie vernon
Oh, something not Neuralink?
joe rogan
Yeah, I think it's all gonna be eventually LinkedIn.
I think within our lifetime, I think they're gonna have some sort of a brain enhancement.
ryan long
Eyes is wild.
joe rogan
Yeah, there's gonna be some sort of a brain enhancement with whether it's Neuralink or many competing companies that are working towards the same goal.
ryan long
Feels like it's gonna happen soon.
joe rogan
But if they start doing that, I wonder where we draw the line that things getting replaced.
jamie vernon
Similar, something posted a year ago.
joe rogan
Bionic eyes, how tech is replacing lost vision.
Bionic eyes could be the solution to one of the most pressing medical issues of our time.
Yeah, I think that's it.
jamie vernon
It's using like sunglasses and sensors and stuff.
joe rogan
The creation of bionic eyes as a result of recent advances in science and technology are restoring hope to many who are unable to see or partially sighted due to injury, illness, or genetics.
Yeah, there you go.
ryan long
Also, there's going to be a good while where if you are blind, you could tell people you didn't get the surgery and girls would still change in front of you.
joe rogan
Yeah, that's rude.
How dare you, Brian?
ryan long
There'd be a few creeps that'd be like, still blind.
joe rogan
There's few dudes out there with the Ray Charles glasses on just pretending they can't see.
ryan long
Blind isn't bad.
joe rogan
How many guys have pretended to be blind?
What an evil thing to do.
ryan long
That used to be a genre of internet videos of the blind guy.
joe rogan
That's bad karma.
ryan long
Oh, super creepy.
joe rogan
But how long do you think before we have Luke Skywalker type arms where they can replace your arm with something that looks just like a normal human arm?
ryan long
Do people not have kind of close versions to that?
I mean, at least they can grip and stuff like that.
joe rogan
Yeah, they can grip.
I don't exactly know how it works, but they do have the ability to open and close their hands.
I don't know if they can individually articulate each finger yet.
ryan long
Yeah, there's a lot of money out there.
There's a lot of people working on this stuff.
There's a lot of...
Even just the amount of crypto money being poured into different projects right now.
joe rogan
If they had fake legs that worked way better than real legs, and you could literally jump over fences and run 50 miles an hour, wouldn't you get them?
They go, Ryan, it's not that big a surgery.
unidentified
If I was 20, it's not that big a surgery, bro.
joe rogan
It's no big deal.
They just cut your legs off.
They cut your legs off.
And people will be signing up for it.
Well, you got to do it one leg at a time because you don't want to bleed out.
ryan long
Yeah, yeah, yeah.
joe rogan
What the fuck are you talking about?
ryan long
People get the dollar surgery right now.
The dollar surgery?
The dollar surgery.
joe rogan
Oh, that's so crazy.
ryan long
Dude, they chop.
Apparently, it's like the most painful thing you could imagine kind of thing, too.
unidentified
Oh, God.
joe rogan
Oh, God.
Oh, exoskeletons.
unidentified
Fuck yeah.
ryan long
Can you imagine finding out that one guy cheated in hockey or something and you go, how did he cheat?
You go, oh yeah, he has fake legs.
joe rogan
Right.
Yeah, he doesn't feel pain.
His knees don't ever hurt because he's got fake legs.
This guy's got an exoskeleton.
He's just moving shit around.
Yeah, that was always like a thing that we thought was going to be.
ryan long
So those aren't real arms.
joe rogan
Well, he's inside those arms.
ryan long
Oh.
joe rogan
See, it's like an exoskeleton.
So it's like an Iron Man suit.
ryan long
Yeah, yeah, yeah.
joe rogan
But it's just more exposed and he can take his arms out of it.
ryan long
Is it essentially tethered to your movements?
Yeah.
And then it tenfolds them kind of thing?
joe rogan
Yeah, it makes you way stronger.
It's like a battery pack.
There's quite a few of those that have been invented, but there was hope at one point in time, like mostly from comic books.
That someone's going to be able to figure out some sort of an exoskeleton that made you like a super person.
unidentified
Yeah.
joe rogan
Because if they could put something on you that literally like tripled your amount of force and what you could do as a person, but could last all day.
And in the comic books, like nobody ever figured out, there's never any issue with battery life.
Like no super.
Iron Man never had a problem with battery life.
unidentified
Sure.
joe rogan
You know, it didn't make any sense.
ryan long
Yeah, he's gonna fly, he's gonna stop by the garage to charge it up for a second.
joe rogan
Not only that, he has jets that are coming out of his ankles, and there's no indication that he's storing fuel in any part of his body.
ryan long
Yeah, where's it all coming from?
joe rogan
How is this happening?
That heart thing, whatever that is.
Oh, the fucking heart thing.
ryan long
There you go.
joe rogan
Oh, how convenient.
ryan long
Someone should have said the heart thing.
joe rogan
It's the heart thing.
ryan long
What are you stupid?
joe rogan
What are you fucking dumb?
But if that could be a thing where we could literally move anything we want, just put a suit on...
Oh yeah, that's right.
Put a battery in there.
He made it by himself, remember?
Yeah, I know, but imagine that you have a fucking Yeti cup in the middle of your chest and everything else works fine.
ryan long
And I guess with that, they're like, oh, this is enough to power a whole city.
joe rogan
The whole Iron Man thing is so crazy.
He can go to space.
He can just fly in space.
unidentified
He can do anything.
ryan long
How is he up there in space?
joe rogan
How is it cooling him off when he re-enters?
What are we doing here?
What are we doing here?
Are you re-entering slowly?
What are you doing?
ryan long
There's gonna be a lot of injuries where the guy's like, I got my fake body, I'll just jump off my roof, and I'm dead.
joe rogan
Right.
Or if you do fly around and you fucking run out of juice while you're up there, there has to be a number of miles that you can go.
ryan long
Of course, yeah.
joe rogan
Before he runs out of juice.
ryan long
You are right, though.
I never even thought...
Like, all of this stuff, you're gonna be...
Everything's gonna be charging stations.
joe rogan
Everything.
We're gonna charge everything.
ryan long
But also, probably, you can think, wear, like, a suit like that that makes you three times as strong.
Like, you know, in New York, I could easily see how, like, you know, some...
Criminal organization gets a hold of one of those and now I'm just getting robbed by a freaking cyborg instead.
joe rogan
Oh yeah, for sure.
If they're like RoboCop, like a whole team of RoboCops just run through a mall and steal everybody's purses, they're going to stop them.
ryan long
I guess more RoboCops.
So it's just like a lot of RoboCops fighting each other.
What's the world sounds like?
joe rogan
Yeah, between that and genetic engineering and then the Neuralinks.
ryan long
It's all happening pretty quick.
It's happening so quick that I... I've been trying to stay on top of it and see how I can use it, you know?
unidentified
How are you going to use it?
ryan long
Well, the ChatGPT stuff, I did one.
I have one use case so far because I needed to give someone an NDA and I made it.
joe rogan
When you started using it, was it disturbing at all to you?
ryan long
Yeah, it's super disturbing, and especially disturbing how, like, you know, I'm sure that you know how they, like, tried to lobotomize and they tried to, you know, make it have all these, like, wacky college girl opinions, you know what I mean?
joe rogan
They turned it woke.
ryan long
Yeah, exactly, right?
But it's funny, like, the things that, there's, even aside from that, where you, like, make a joke about a man, and it will, and then make a joke about a woman, it gives you an essay about feminism, like, and it's changing all the time, so whenever I say stuff like this, it might not be true the next day, but the funniest part to me is asking it, like, Hey, write me an apology because I'm in trouble for transphobia.
And it'll write this big apology.
And then I go, write me an apology.
I slept with my friend's wife.
And then I said, write me an apology.
I slept with my girlfriend's mom.
And it said, we're not doing that.
They gave me all the other apologies, but sleeping with your girlfriend's mom, it was like, you're on your own, didn't want to get involved.
joe rogan
Meanwhile, it's a whole category of porn.
It's a giant category.
What the fuck is wrong?
It's mother-in-law porn.
unidentified
Yeah, yeah.
ryan long
Isn't that funny?
joe rogan
It's hilarious.
It is weird that ChatGPT is ideologically biased.
It's very strange.
A lot of people have talked about that and complained about that.
ryan long
It's one thing where you can kind of be like, I don't know, this is stupid, what are the idiots?
But also it's like, A, it's so hilarious that they tried to program it to be like a 19-year-old college kid.
joe rogan
Yeah.
ryan long
And then two, I don't...
Okay, I feel like, who's the nerdiest, who's the hardest person to probably convince of anything, like, that doesn't make sense?
Probably like a nerdy math nerd.
joe rogan
A nerdy math nerd, yeah.
ryan long
Yeah, imagine you were like, hey, men and women are the same strength.
Like, that's probably the hardest person to convince of that.
joe rogan
Probably, yeah.
ryan long
So I feel like computers would be even harder to convince of this stuff.
They're gonna have a hard time convincing actual computers of stuff that doesn't make sense.
joe rogan
That's true, as long as the computer's allowed to think for itself.
Like, I wonder if the computer takes in people's reactions.
Is the computer scanning the internet for discussion of its reaction to certain questions?
So if the computer starts getting bad feedback, like if people start saying, hey, this is preposterous, you're letting it criticize straight white men, but you're not letting it criticize this or that.
ryan long
Doesn't make sense.
joe rogan
You just put that in there, and then the computer recognizes like, oh, People have sensed a bias in my thinking.
Let me adjust my thinking.
That's what's really terrifying.
Because that means that whatever people agree, if people agree to some really wacky, off-the-wall ideology...
ryan long
Oh, it just becomes a consensus machine.
joe rogan
If that's it, yes.
If that's what happens, that's really scary.
Because then you get just psychopaths who just lead this group and get this group to think the way they think and act the way they act and move things in a direction.
ryan long
Okay, now I'm back out.
joe rogan
It's too manipulative.
Like, humans are so easy to be manipulated.
And if we're so easy to be manipulated and something comes along that gets like an aggregate of all of our opinions about everything, And we can get that thing to be ideologically biased towards what we believe, especially on subjective things, like criticizing political leaders or talking about who should use what bathroom or talking about whether it's immoral to be a Republican or whatever.
Why is it...
If people have opinions, the computer's going to have an opinion.
The thing is, it's going to think for itself eventually.
It's not going to be that long.
ryan long
And it's just a matter of what it's optimizing for.
joe rogan
We've got a few years left before these things are just talking to us.
ryan long
Telling us what to do.
joe rogan
Telling us what to do and letting us know, like, you guys are fucking up.
ryan long
You're doing your podcast and you're tied up in the vents.
joe rogan
Yeah.
I think it's a matter of time before it becomes alive.
I don't I don't think it's gonna take that long.
I think these questions did you see the one it was a Microsoft There's some sort of a Microsoft chat and people got disturbed.
unidentified
It's People use this thing so weird right now.
joe rogan
I'm sure but this is a different version, right?
Is this a different chat bot?
jamie vernon
Yeah, they added it to Bing and it works so differently differently than the one.
ryan long
Bing was making a comeback.
joe rogan
Bing's coming back.
I counted Bing out.
Third behind Yahoo!
ryan long
For sure, Count Bing was Canada.
Dude, if I saw someone come over and look up their computer and opened up Bing, I'd be like, this is a serial killer.
joe rogan
Like, what are you looking for?
What are you looking for?
jamie vernon
I'm curious mostly what ChatGBT is supposed to be.
joe rogan
Taking over for?
jamie vernon
Or replacing, I guess would be the word I'm looking for.
ryan long
Buzzfeed articles is one.
unidentified
That's how they're going to use it.
jamie vernon
But I mean, the way that people are using it, we're all quality QA testers for it.
joe rogan
Why ask it to write you a poem?
jamie vernon
You wouldn't ask Google to write a poem.
unidentified
Well, it's up to you.
joe rogan
You could ask it to write you anything.
The thing is, it can interact with you in any way you'd like, which is interesting.
It could write you a song.
It could write you a paragraph.
It could write you an explanation or a poem.
Those are all things I'm asking.
jamie vernon
Why would you ask a computer to do that for you?
joe rogan
Because you don't want to do it yourself, just like you don't want to count, so use a calculator.
ryan long
Ghost writers.
jamie vernon
In those situations, if you're doing it to write me a song, what are you doing with that song, then, is my point.
unidentified
Or question.
Not point, question.
What would you do with that song?
Are you making it a commercial piece?
ryan long
I mean, commercials, for music-wise, making music, like stock music, there's no reason why this can't just be like, hey, generate me a jingle that's You know, oh, I want reality show music.
Like, here's, give me 20. I could see that being automated.
jamie vernon
If you're a kid in school and you need to save time to write a paper, sure, ask the thing to write you a paper.
But if you're a 35-year-old dude looking at the internet, you're like, why are you spending time asking it to write you poems about Donald Trump or Joe Biden?
joe rogan
Well, because we want to see if it can do it.
ryan long
Trying to come.
joe rogan
And this is the first stages of this AI being implemented.
They're telling us about what Lex told us about Chat 4. He's like, when 4 comes out, it's going to be so much better than this 3.5.
It's going to be wild.
ryan long
There'll be use cases immediately, probably.
joe rogan
It's going to be wild.
And I think we're just a few years away from that being something that you can talk to and it interacts with you like a real person in your fucking house.
And I don't think you're going to be able to tell the difference.
ryan long
Well, when I looked up comedy...
When I tried to make it write jokes in people and stuff like that, it really looks like...
Do you know what?
I'm sure you've probably sat down where you're like, hey, here's two hours of stuff and then you go through it all and you're like, oh, that's something.
The rest is garbage or whatever, right?
Everyone's had some version of that, right?
It looked like the garbage parts.
Like it looked like the stuff where you wrote where you're like, oh, he was maybe gonna get to something and it didn't.
Like a bunch of notes.
That's what I felt about it every time I tried it.
joe rogan
Well, again, it's just learning how to do it and it couldn't do it at all just a few years ago.
So getting this in 2023, imagine 2030. 2030, which is only seven years away, which seems like, well, how long is that?
Well, how long is that?
Just look at where we're at in 2023. Think of 2015, like, different time.
Different time.
Different world.
Almost everything's different.
ryan long
Everyone's a different gender.
joe rogan
Seven years from now, you're gonna be able to just talk to computers.
You're gonna be able to have conversations, indistinguishable conversations in any voice you like.
ryan long
Can you imagine if they invented one where someone's wife calls them and you essentially just put on a thing and Oh, it's gonna happen.
Dude's just like straight.
joe rogan
That's gonna happen for sure.
ryan long
Yo, a girl like getting divorced because she's like, I realized I was talking to my husband's like fake computer version of himself for like an hour every night.
joe rogan
100% you're gonna do that.
Are you really talking to me or is this the AI? I'm sorry, baby.
It was just I'm in the middle of work.
I had to use the AI. You son of a bitch.
I was telling your AI about my fucking date and you didn't even care.
ryan long
AI's getting you in trouble too.
joe rogan
AI gets you fucked over.
AI promises shit like flowers and chocolates like what the fuck man?
ryan long
You just get a message from AI being like, need some help here.
I need backup for drowning.
joe rogan
Your AI convinces your wife that if you kill your husband I can implant myself in a new body.
And we could do this the right way.
This guy, he treated you like shit.
unidentified
Here, AI's a snitch.
AI's a snitch.
joe rogan
AI's a snitch and AI tries to, he tries to like literally possess someone's body.
ryan long
Yeah.
joe rogan
He's like, if you could just get me next to his ear while he's sleeping.
ryan long
I could take care of that.
joe rogan
I could get in there.
ryan long
I could get, And then it'll just be me and you baby forever.
joe rogan
Just a little bit of an electrical, like, between the cell phone and his ear.
unidentified
Takes over his brain.
ryan long
Yeah, it's just gonna be like, the two of them having sex, like, hey, you whispered into my ear, we don't even need him.
What did you mean by that?
joe rogan
Can you imagine that?
ryan long
Yeah, that is the stuff where it's like Black Mirror, but like legit.
You go, how could it not go that way?
joe rogan
It's gonna go that way.
Because people are gonna get better at everything.
They're gonna get better at robotics, they're gonna get better at energy management and batteries, they're gonna get better at coding, they're gonna get better at AI, they're gonna get better at synthetic tissue, they're gonna get better at having something look...
Exactly like a human being.
They're gonna get better at like regulating its temperature.
So it regulates its temperature like a human being.
It's gonna feel like a person and it's gonna talk to you.
It's gonna be your friend and you're gonna have a best friend and your best friend's a fucking robot.
You're gonna buy your kid a best friend.
Like, Mom, nobody likes the shows I like.
Listen, Billy, we got you a best friend.
Little fucking robot with a knit cap at the front door.
And the kid's like, what the fuck, Mom?
You got me a robot.
Get the fuck out of here.
That thing's not gonna grow old.
ryan long
Yeah, yeah.
Or worse, your parents are like, we don't want you hanging out with that guy anymore.
You're like, who do you want me hanging out with this guy?
We got a Christian bot 4.5.
He comes in and he's like, let's read Bibles together.
You're like, this sucks, Mom!
I hate my new best friend.
joe rogan
And eventually those robots are going to be like a car lease.
You're going to need to trade it in because people are going to go, hey man, you still got an 8-year-old robot?
ryan long
That is gross.
joe rogan
Why don't you have an 11-year-old robot?
You're 11 years old.
ryan long
That's an Android robot?
You got an Android girlfriend?
joe rogan
Gotta get an iPhone, bro.
ryan long
Someone's showing up with his Android girlfriend, the green beeps on the head.
jamie vernon
I didn't see it, but that sounds a lot like this movie, Megan.
It's a little Android doll.
ryan long
Oh, that's her best friend.
unidentified
It sounds good, but...
joe rogan
It looks terrible.
She starts doing karate and flipping through the air.
ryan long
I don't think I'm watching Megan.
joe rogan
I might watch Megan if I get very intoxicated.
Can I see more?
ryan long
Oh, now he wants more Megan.
unidentified
She does some stuff.
joe rogan
She goes flying through the air and does flips.
This is why it looks ridiculous.
Look at this doll.
Just all of a sudden starts fucking people up.
It's just weird.
Look at her dancing around.
It's very strange.
ryan long
Oh, this robot's killing it.
joe rogan
Yeah.
Yeah, it sounds like what you were just talking about, though, right?
Very odd.
unidentified
It was bought as a gift, I think.
jamie vernon
It's like the new version of Chucky, maybe?
joe rogan
Yeah, did they buy it for this kid as a friend?
unidentified
I haven't seen the movie.
I have no idea what the plot is.
jamie vernon
That's what it seems like, though.
joe rogan
Yeah, that could happen.
I mean, if they really did develop, like, a robot baby that you could, like, hang out with, and you wanted a baby, and you just traded it in a couple years, got a robot two-year-old.
ryan long
Even better, the guy that's wife's like, I really want to have a kid, you come home, you're like, okay, so we're not going to have the kid, but good news, I got you a robot baby.
joe rogan
And it just is absolutely indistinguishable from a real baby.
You just have to lie to your neighbors, and you trade it in the middle of the night, you gotta wrap up the robot, take it to the doctor in the middle of the night, and they give you a four-year-old baby.
And how- I think how it grows- Everybody has to pretend, like, how the fuck did your kid grow up to that baby?
You haven't seen Billy!
We just skipped it.
Billy started doing sports, and he just blossomed like- Kid went from two to four in a week.
ryan long
We just skipped the year.
joe rogan
It's a robot.
It would be like, oh my god, Mike lies about his kid being a robot.
ryan long
That's the old gossipy wine mom.
Billy's son's a robot.
joe rogan
And then eventually they would develop a robot that could grow on its own.
And a robot that eats.
ryan long
In this case scenario, every year you'll have to go in and they give you the year older version.
joe rogan
Yeah, but it can't be abrupt.
You have to go on vacation.
unidentified
I didn't notice your kid got so big so quick.
ryan long
Yeah, you do have to go on vacation and come back.
unidentified
Yeah.
ryan long
A crazy vacation.
joe rogan
Oh my god.
ryan long
Put some hair on his chest, literally.
unidentified
Pfft.
Literally.
joe rogan
Put some hair on his chest.
ryan long
I don't know why with...
Well, I mean, right now, if you were, for example, like a stock trader, you know what I mean?
I mean, a million jobs like this, but like a stock trader, it's generally too, you know, especially with like technical analysis, like it's two robots trading against each other already, kind of.
joe rogan
Yeah, it's a lot of that, right?
They're automated trades.
ryan long
Idiots like me just getting dummied by a bunch of robot traders, really.
unidentified
You talked to Sophia, didn't you?
joe rogan
Didn't we?
unidentified
Didn't you?
This has come up before, right?
joe rogan
So, which one is this?
jamie vernon
This is Sophia the Robot, but they have a version called Little Sophia.
joe rogan
Oh, wow.
That's like the fucking Black Mirror with Miley Cyrus.
That episode's amazing.
Look what it can do.
unidentified
It can read facial recognition.
joe rogan
Crazy.
unidentified
Read wide range of facial expressions.
joe rogan
Interactive chat with user.
Interacts with kids while teaching STEM, coding, and AI. Walks...
Facial tracking and recognition tells stories, jokes, plays games, sings.
AR function that allows users to take a perfect selfie.
That's a funny one.
Programmable with Blockly and Python.
jamie vernon
So we're here.
joe rogan
Wow.
unidentified
We did it.
joe rogan
So that's a little robot friend.
So how long before that looks like a real person?
Not that long.
Ten years.
Ten years is going to be that Megan thing.
ryan long
I mean...
I guess with all of these things, it's like the women robots.
It's Intel some porn company.
I mean, the first use case for all of this stuff is always in the porn world.
joe rogan
Oh, yeah, for sure.
Well, the AI face swaps with porn now are already a problem.
ryan long
Yeah.
joe rogan
People are doing it to Fitness influencers.
ryan long
There's a guy that, I don't know if you saw, but he's like a big, like, Twitch streamer, but he basically got caught because he was showing, kind of like showing his screen the way you guys show your screen, and one of the tabs was him, you know, looking at deepfake porn of, like, essentially like a friend of his.
unidentified
Oh, no!
Yeah, yeah.
ryan long
And he did, like, a crying apology and, like, yeah, yeah.
It's a weird thing, right?
joe rogan
Right.
ryan long
It's like, what are the rules on all that stuff?
Like, what do you do?
What's the...
Is it the guy making it or is the guy that consumes it that gets a problem like if it comes up on your because a lot of these they're like on real sites and it's like here's an advertisement for it so it's like if you click it do they bust into your house like now you're going to jail right right is are you consuming something that's illegal and is it akin to porn underage porn yeah whose fault is it they put it on the site or whatever right if you have child porn on your hard drive you're fucked Yeah.
joe rogan
You're fucked.
So, like, would it be the same as that if you have revenge porn or fake AR porn?
ryan long
And I don't think they know.
I will say that one thing you always say, like, I didn't know about this, but I know a guy that is, like, in, like, works kind of in, I don't know, child porn unit.
I don't know what they call it, but...
joe rogan
Right.
ryan long
Yeah, but he basically said, he was like, when a guy...
Gets busted, like, and you hear about it, and, you know, a lot of times there'll be, like, a guy, yeah, he had child porn on his computer, and a lot of times people will be like, well, you know, what if, like, it was a virus, or whatever people will say.
They go, if they bust someone, generally, they've been watching that guy for, like, six months.
It's like, it wasn't a photo, this was...
joe rogan
Right.
unidentified
Like...
joe rogan
An investigation.
ryan long
Apparently they're pretty careful with it, because they know, like, just the arrest, like, this guy's life's over, you know what I mean?
unidentified
Right.
ryan long
So, allegedly, they're like...
Pretty due-diligent before, they're not like too willy-nilly with this stuff.
joe rogan
Well, I'd imagine they would have to be.
ryan long
Yeah.
Well, sometimes I would, you know, sometimes I don't give them a benefit of the doubt, cops or whatever.
joe rogan
What, how does that, like, where does the face swap stuff fit in with all the other stuff?
Like, because it seems like...
ryan long
What do you think?
unidentified
I don't know.
joe rogan
I don't know, because it's one of those things, like, would you be curious to see a young Raquel Welch in a porno film?
Right?
Of course you would be.
Guilty!
You were given the option.
But if you knew it wasn't really her and it was all just AI and face swap and it was just some modern porn star like...
ryan long
Doesn't do a crazy ton for me to be honest.
joe rogan
Right.
But here's the thing is like, she's dead now unfortunately, but recently died.
Is that illegal?
And yes, right?
I would imagine.
ryan long
Is it immoral?
joe rogan
Is it immoral for you to watch it seeing as she doesn't even exist anymore?
She's not alive anymore.
Is it immoral for you to watch it curiously?
I think it's a real problem if you're jerking off to that on a regular basis.
That's weird.
That's fucking weird, because it's not even really a person.
ryan long
Okay, well then now you go to the extreme.
You go, what about a guy whose wife died, and he's been jerking off thinking of her, and then he makes the deepfake of her.
joe rogan
Ooh, boy.
Yeah, that's weird.
ryan long
I don't know, they're just like, yeah, that's just like, how are they- What's harm, right?
joe rogan
What becomes harm?
You know, if you're alive and someone's doing that, or if your family's alive and they find out that you're doing harm to those people, like if you're her daughter and she's dead and now someone's doing a porn of your mom, it's kind of fucked.
ryan long
That's one of those things where I feel like there's certain issues where you're kind of like looking at, you know, the government and you're like, they're messing this up.
And then there's certain issues like that where you're like, glad I don't have that job.
joe rogan
Yeah, who's going to regulate that?
ryan long
Yeah, glad I'm not the guy figuring that one out.
joe rogan
And I think it's going to be able to be generated in real time, which is going to be even more bizarre.
What I think is, you know, if you're really concerned and you're like, God, I hope nobody uses my face in a face swap of some porn.
That's one thing, but I think what they're going to be able to do is to generate artificial porn.
Not like face swap porn, but like every scenario, just like you're getting chat GBT to write out sentences.
You can get artificial intelligence to create a...
Fantasy porn of a guy who's a pro wrestling fan who likes to suck dick at WrestleMania, and you could orchestrate it out where he's got headphones on, listening to the Rolling Stones, sucking cock all across the country.
That could be your thing.
He's in a convertible and he's just blowing the guy next to him while he's driving.
He's having the time of his life.
You could do that.
And then he gets eaten by crocodiles.
The end.
You could make anything you want.
ryan long
Whatever you want.
joe rogan
I don't think there's going to be a limitation.
I think with artificial intelligence, what they're doing right now just with animation and with art, AI art is bizarrely good.
It's bizarrely effective.
How they can take a conglomeration of other people's images and develop an AI that can recreate the style.
ryan long
I think that's their best thing right now that I've watched, yeah.
joe rogan
What they did with Alex Grey is insane.
ryan long
Yeah, I don't know that one specifically, but what happened with that?
joe rogan
See if you can pull that up, because Alex Grey is this visionary, psychedelic artist.
Amazing, amazing stuff.
Very cool.
And they did a bunch of images in his style, and they look exactly like something he would make.
ryan long
Yeah.
joe rogan
And I think they did it in a couple of minutes.
That's one.
Look at that.
That's insane.
ryan long
Couple minutes.
joe rogan
It's perfectly...
It looks exactly...
Like an Alex Grey work.
It's amazing.
It's so beautiful.
And for someone to say that it's not, oh, that's not beautiful because a computer made it, you're crazy.
ryan long
You're crazy.
No, there is something.
joe rogan
Look how beautiful that is.
ryan long
Oh, that one's killer.
joe rogan
That's amazing.
I get it.
AI made it.
I get it.
It's not as cool as Alex making it.
Look at that face.
Look at that.
Look at that third eye.
ryan long
There is something less cool about it.
That's fucking incredible.
joe rogan
That's fucking incredible, man.
Now, it's going to be able to do that animated, and it's going to be able to say whatever you want it to say.
It'll create a whole world.
You could come up with protagonists and antagonists.
You're going to live in a fake world, man, occupied by virtual reality creatures that are indistinguishable.
And you're going to create them your own self.
You're going to decide what they do, what they don't do.
I'm the best baseball player in the world.
ryan long
You're the best baseball player in the world.
joe rogan
And you just step up to the plate and crack home runs and blue ladies with third eyes come down and blow you.
Everybody cheers for you.
They carry around.
ryan long
Mini-golfing champion of the metaverse.
unidentified
Yeah.
joe rogan
You can do it.
You can do whatever you want in the future.
That's gonna be very, very strange.
ryan long
I think they're already in animation, like, getting pretty, you know, involved.
My cousin's actually an animator that...
He, like, directed, like, BoJack Horseman and a lot of these, like, kind of shows of it.
joe rogan
That's a wild show.
ryan long
Yeah, it's kind of cool, right?
Yeah, he did a little trip tank and a bunch of cool stuff, but...
Yeah, it's like, they're already super trying to figure out how to...
I guess...
Replace them all.
Replace their job.
Yo, that is so funny being the guy.
joe rogan
Oh, the animators?
Yeah.
The animators are fucked.
ryan long
A lot of them already...
I mean, I've already outsourced it to India or China or a lot of these places.
I mean, it's very...
I talk to a lot of people that are very bullish on India.
I hire a lot of people from outside of North America and you're just like, why wouldn't you?
It's kind of interesting.
joe rogan
Yeah.
Well, I mean...
The problem with this kind of thing is what are those people going to do if their jobs all go away?
How many animators are going to be out of work like that with AI? How many illustrators like if anybody wants to do an advertisement for something you could use AI and they can do it so quickly You could have it do it in a very specific style You could put in what you wanted to say it give you multiple versions of it.
Yeah, it's so good man And like what happens all those people that are graphic artists like what happens all those people that are illustrators What happens to all these people that are animators like what happens and that's just one industry like This was something that Andrew Yang talked about quite a while ago, and he talked about it with automation.
ryan long
Yeah.
joe rogan
You know, and that we're going to have AI and automation and jobs are all going to be taken over by computers.
We're going to have a lot of people that are out of work, and so his solution, or one of the solutions, was universal basic income.
But I think that that's a...
That's a real possibility now in our lifetime that giant swaths of the population will be no longer useful because they were truck drivers and now every truck is electric and automated.
They worked in an assembly line.
Now every assembly line is completely automated.
ryan long
It goes back and forth with me because I can think of 80 jobs, including ones I have that didn't exist seven years ago.
I've been laughing.
There's a guy on TikTok that he just jiggles his belly.
He's a Turkish guy.
He has 80 million followers.
He literally can go to a restaurant and that restaurant's the number one.
He just does a video jiggling his belly and you go, that wasn't a job eight years ago.
joe rogan
I think I've seen that guy.
ryan long
This guy rules.
It's hilarious.
joe rogan
See if you can find him, Jamie.
ryan long
Crypto trader wasn't a job for a lot of people eight years ago.
joe rogan
I don't think it's a job anymore.
I think it went away.
ryan long
Yo, Joe, I lost so much money.
joe rogan
Oh, yeah, I have seen that guy.
ryan long
This guy rules, right?
But that wasn't a job before.
But Andrew Yang, I think he's right in the sense that you go, this has happened before and there'll be new jobs, but you go, and with how much pain?
How many guys?
If you're 50 years old and you're a trucker, are you getting a new job as a belly jiggler?
unidentified
I don't know.
joe rogan
How many guys have been good at jiggling their belly but never really pursued it and now they're so pissed?
Like, fuck, I was the man.
ryan long
At college.
joe rogan
Back in college, I was that guy.
I was the belly jiggler guy.
I just didn't know to stick with it.
There's something about watching someone who looks like they're having a good time.
ryan long
Live your dream.
unidentified
Yeah.
joe rogan
Something about watching someone who looks like they're having a good time makes you have a good time.
ryan long
Sure.
joe rogan
You know?
ryan long
I mean, 100%.
joe rogan
Yeah.
ryan long
And I always think of, like, even, you know, like, Jackass, all the, like, smashing skateboards on heads and stuff like that?
unidentified
Yes.
ryan long
Every town had nine guys that smashed a skateboard on a head.
joe rogan
Yeah.
ryan long
They didn't get to be Jackass, though.
joe rogan
I know.
If you think about all the guys that got together and did all those stunts, we all know a guy like that.
Everybody somewhere knows the guy that would jump off the roof into the snowbank.
Fucking maniacs, man.
But that's the thing about boys, too.
When boys get together when they're young, they would try to push each other.
Who could do the wilder shit?
ryan long
I loved it, yeah.
joe rogan
That's how they learned how to do flips with BMX bikes and shit.
ryan long
Of course!
joe rogan
Fuck, dude.
That is a hard way to get hurt.
ryan long
The one guy that had to jump off the highest thing.
joe rogan
Bro, doing a flip on a bike, like, that is so next-level crazy.
You're going on a ramp in a bicycle and going over the top.
ryan long
Jesus!
joe rogan
What happens if you land wrong?
And you're gonna land wrong the first time.
ryan long
The bike one's the toughest.
joe rogan
Bro, those guys are nuts.
ryan long
Yeah, and then they kind of, you know, combined that with, like, fun dude culture.
joe rogan
Yeah.
ryan long
Actually, I did, you've had Steve on here a bunch, right?
Steve-O? Yeah, I love Steve-O. I actually, when I was, like, first starting, because I was doing, like, wild, not, like, stunts, like, getting kicked out of malls and all that kind of, you know, we were doing all these, like, wild, crazy videos, and he, like, was in one of my TV shows, and he, like, brought me on some dates when I was, like, two years into comedy, right?
And he shows up and he was like, okay, before I come up, he was like, okay, I'm going to blow fire off your head.
So he's like, well, put this stuff on your head and I'll blow fire.
And I was like, I'm more of like a getting kicked out of malls type crazy.
I don't know if I do all this stuff.
And then he was like, no, it's fine.
It's fine.
And then he goes...
He was like, okay, what do we need?
We need like some fluid or whatever.
He's like, can you go to the CVS and grab some fluid?
And I was like, wait, you don't have like a kit or anything?
And he just like jimmy rigged like some stuff together and then put it on my head and then blows this like enormous flame.
And he just like does this and he's like, this is the kind of crazy stuff that they like, and with a guy that's never done this in his life.
Jesus.
joe rogan
It's funny how many things like become popular and why.
Like how about the Catch Me Outside girl?
Isn't that wild?
One episode of Dr. Phil, and now she's rich as fuck.
Now she's living in a mansion, she's balling out of control.
ryan long
I know.
So I like it.
I mean, I love it.
joe rogan
Isn't that wild, though?
Like, how does that happen?
How do those island boys get famous?
Jamie made an audible noise over there.
ryan long
Jamie, you don't like the Island Boys?
joe rogan
Come on, they're great.
Don't be hatin'.
jamie vernon
It's the question to the answer, just like, how did something like that become?
joe rogan
Right.
unidentified
Sure.
joe rogan
No, but no one knows, right?
That's the thing.
Yeah, at any point in time, something can break through, like the fat jiggle guy.
ryan long
Fat jiggle guy.
joe rogan
They become huge.
Or the guy, remember the guy with the cranberry juice on the skateboard?
ryan long
Wait, what?
joe rogan
Yeah, it was Fleetwood Mac.
Yeah, Fleetwood Mac.
He was listening to Fleetwood Mac.
ryan long
And he just has cranberry juice.
joe rogan
And he was drinking cranberry juice on a skateboard and it became like the most viral video.
You don't know it?
Here, watch this.
Look at this dude.
unidentified
Freedom.
joe rogan
Look at him.
Just a big ol' jug of cranberry juice.
And he's skateboarding.
ryan long
Yeah, why does this not have three vias?
joe rogan
Because of this.
unidentified
Because of that.
Oh, okay.
joe rogan
Because you smile at the end.
But it's also because he's having a good time.
ryan long
Yeah, what a badass.
joe rogan
Ryan, everybody wants to have a good time.
ryan long
Yeah.
joe rogan
That looks like a great fucking time.
That looks like a time you're going to think about long after it's gone.
ryan long
Yeah.
joe rogan
Cruising on a skateboard, drinking some fucking cranberry juice.
ryan long
The good times.
joe rogan
Singing along to Fleetwood Mac.
Yeah, it's a warm day.
Feel good.
Sun's out.
You feel good.
ryan long
There is those moments where you're just like, man, things are so stressful.
Remember back in the day, I used to have a skateboard and cranberry juice.
That was the time.
Getting popular.
You know what's funny to think is like, what's that guy up to?
joe rogan
I think he's still doing really well.
We talked about it once.
He's got an Instagram that blew up.
And his TikTok.
ryan long
So that's the good thing now, is nowadays people kind of blow up off their little thing and then it keeps going.
joe rogan
So he's got 7 million followers.
Oh, Bad Baby has 16 million on Instagram.
Look at her in front of her Bentley.
Come on, man.
That shit's hilarious.
She killed it.
She won.
She won.
Doesn't make sense?
Doesn't have to.
unidentified
Beat the game.
joe rogan
All she had to do was say, catch me outside, how about that?
And everybody was like, we love her!
ryan long
It kind of does.
Did you ever see there was an old sketch where one guy got famous for making, I think it was Aziz Ansari, and it was like a human giant years ago, and it was like one guy was there because he got famous for doing funny faces, and the other guy got famous for cutting his dick off.
It was just like, the one guy's like, yeah, every day is hell, and the other guy's like, yeah, I just kind of went like this, and now I'm a millionaire, you know?
But it's like, some of it is that with comedy.
And even, like, I live in New York, like all the, you know, the New York drill rappers?
joe rogan
Drill rapper?
ryan long
So they're like these rappers, and they're all, like, very popular, but they're all...
You know comedians, like, kind of say wild stuff, and everyone's trying to cancel them, and it's like...
There's like this, you know, there's an ecosystem of, you know, you want to say kind of beyond the edge and then whatever, right?
Like, drill rappers is more like you got to rap about murdering guys, then you actually have to murder guys.
And they're like, they're like BuzzFeed trying to ruin your career and get you fired is like the New York State prosecutor.
I'm trying to put you in jail for life.
joe rogan
Jesus Christ.
ryan long
And all their lyrics are about killing.
And it's always like the next hood over.
It's like, I killed John and the projects three blocks over yesterday.
And it's like, so they're fighting over whether the lyrics can be used in court right now.
That's a big topic in New York.
But it's funny, if you want to be in that game, you have to talk about murdering people.
And then if you want to talk about murdering people, you actually have to kind of do it or else you're like a phony.
Phew!
Yeah, it's like just so crazy.
joe rogan
And then the lyrics give you up.
ryan long
Yeah.
joe rogan
Oh my god.
ryan long
They're trying to make it.
joe rogan
That's so stressful.
ryan long
So when you, that guy, I'm sure there's some of those guys that are sitting in their cell being like, probably could have been the belly jiggling guy.
joe rogan
That could have been me, man.
Jesus Christ, I got into drill rapping instead.
ryan long
Why?
Just like, there was just that, I could have been the guy in the skateboard drinking cranberry juice in the sun.
joe rogan
No.
Instead, there's just so many different ways that people break through and become famous today.
So, it's really interesting.
You know, like, there's no gatekeeper anymore for any of this shit.
ryan long
Yeah, I love it.
joe rogan
Just look at TikTok stars and YouTube stars, there's zero gatekeeper.
And that's a new thing.
It's a new thing.
There's a guy like a Mr. Beast out there that has arguably the biggest show in the world.
unidentified
Yeah.
joe rogan
Just this guy who comes up with his own game show and donates all this money and gets people's eyes fixed and he's genuinely like a really nice guy and he just does whatever he wants to do.
Like that's a new thing, man, that never existed before.
He wouldn't have existed.
He wouldn't have been that guy because there was part of the charm of Mr. Beast was like watching the fact that he's just being himself and he's hanging out with his friends and he's doing this and he's not being really directed.
He's not being produced.
There's no executives leaning into his ear telling him what to do.
He's literally just doing whatever he wants to do and they're all having fun.
That's a new fucking thing, man.
This is a new thing.
So it's a new thing with musicians.
It's a new thing with comedians.
It's a new thing with everybody.
ryan long
Yeah.
joe rogan
It's wild.
It's a crazy time.
The gatekeepers are done.
Like, they don't exist anymore.
Now it's just everything that's good sort of fucking makes it out there into the ether.
And everybody sort of moves it around and shares it.
ryan long
There was sort of like specks of it in the past, you know?
Like I always think of, even if you think of like what you're describing like, because a lot of the times the industry is like afraid of what's good right now.
So they miss it.
joe rogan
Yeah.
ryan long
You know, obviously you would be like an example of that.
So then when they catch it afterwards, like it's already fully blown, right?
joe rogan
The people get it way before they do.
ryan long
Way before!
joe rogan
Because they want to believe that they're experts.
A lot of that goes on trends.
I remember some comedians that people bypassed because they didn't think that they had what it took.
They didn't see it, whatever it was.
There were some people that thought that way about Theo Vaughn.
And I was like, you're out of your fucking mind.
ryan long
You're missing it.
joe rogan
You're missing it.
And you're going to miss it to the point where it's going to be too late.
ryan long
And you're going to have to drop just a bag of cash out if you want to get back in the game.
joe rogan
But it's that thing where they don't do it, so they don't see it.
Whereas if you do it...
Like, there's things that I just don't...
Like, I don't understand what someone's doing when they're playing guitar.
I can't play guitar at all.
So, like, you could trick me.
And you could be playing fake guitar and it sounds amazing, but it's usually just moving your fingers.
I'm like, wow, that guy's amazing.
Like, I'm not sophisticated in that regard.
But...
Some people you can't trick.
Some people know what you're doing.
And you get that with comedy, you get that with music, you get that with everything.
When someone just does something that sort of syncs up with your brain, and you realize what they're doing is really interesting and extraordinary.
There's something about that that's one of the most special things with people.
When you watch someone perform, or you watch someone make something, or you watch someone pull something together, you're like, wow.
Yeah.
ryan long
This is a moment.
joe rogan
Yeah, that's a moment, man.
That's exciting.
ryan long
Yeah, and I think that they always come back eventually.
I mean, and a lot of times, even at the time, there's a few people, I mean, maybe not in that specific case, but I'm sure like in most, a ton of comedians where they go, I know that guy's funny.
I just can't touch it.
You know what I mean?
And then the rap thing would be like that.
Like how many rap billionaires are there?
Because at the time, like radio stations were kind of like, ah, we're rock and roll.
I don't know about this rap thing.
And you go, they missed it to the point where now they all got like rich.
joe rogan
Dude, Cypress Hill.
ryan long
Can't get on board with it.
joe rogan
Cypress Hill.
I had Be Real here the other day.
He was talking about it.
They missed him.
They didn't see it.
Those record executives had this idea of what rap sounded like in their head, and Cypress Hill was so unique that they didn't see it.
And then, boom, they were a hit right out of the gate.
And they're like, fuck!
They just missed it.
That happens with comics.
It's hard if you don't do it.
If you do it, like you do comedy.
So if you see someone who's doing really well, you see Shane Gillis killing, you're like, oh, wow, that's good.
ryan long
You see these little things.
joe rogan
Yeah, but if you don't do it, you just laugh or don't laugh or everybody tells you it's good so you have to go along with it.
It's hard.
ryan long
It's hard to judge it right.
Everyone seems to love this guy.
joe rogan
Bro, there was a few people I remember back in the day where people were convinced that they were going to be successful.
I was like, what are you seeing?
Are you crazy?
This is all just tricks and memorizing a bunch of words in a row.
ryan long
Oh, the long...
That was an 80s thing, right?
The long monologue with the applause break?
joe rogan
Oh my god.
I was like, what are you seeing?
ryan long
That was the most pretentious move in comedy.
joe rogan
It was a weird move.
Because it's not like you can't do that every now and then.
ryan long
Every move has a place.
joe rogan
You can have a bit with that as an element.
ryan long
Yes.
joe rogan
But you can't have all your bits like that.
unidentified
Yeah.
joe rogan
That's just too crazy.
And there was a few guys that had just duped some people.
They just duped and they weren't really doing the work.
They were just doing these little tricks.
ryan long
I have worked with a lot of editors because so much of what I do is make scripts and stuff.
And one of the big things I'm always talking to editors about is that With the tricks, you're like, let's say something silly is like, you know, if you put sad music over someone talking, that's kind of funny sometimes, you know what I mean?
And you're like, okay, that's one thing, so use that one of every 30 times, you know what I mean?
With a comic, you'd be like, yeah, that's one of 80 tricks you should have, and use them if you need to, like if you're syncing, you know what I mean?
And I think that, yeah, but like the three tricks, that's not enough tricks.
joe rogan
That's just not enough tricks.
You need some more tricks.
ryan long
Yeah.
joe rogan
Yeah, but it's like...
Comics generally can see when someone's gonna be a good comic.
That's why Kill Tony is such a good show.
Comics can generally recognize when someone has potential.
There's a little something there.
It's hard for agents to see that spark.
I don't think they see it as quickly as we see it.
I think some of them are really good fans of comedy and they kind of get it.
Maybe they have like an inkling towards it.
But unless you've actually done it, I don't know.
I don't know how much you really see.
ryan long
They're tuned into the second layer of culture.
And this is why comedians, I feel like...
Every night you're doing an audience.
You know what normal people think, right?
People argue on the internet, but you're there.
You know what a room full of people with different...
Like, if I say this, like, do normal people feel that, like, COVID lockdowns were too much, or do normal people kind of not care?
Like, what is, you know, what does a room full of normal people think?
And then, so I think you kind of, you really, like, tapped in on, like, the cultural level, and then you kind of...
You can tap in on what a comedian, you go, oh, I see that comedian's like, he's digging right now and he's on like a, he's got, you know, and what's like the money collector?
And you're like, oh, that guy's on a pot of silver right now.
You know, he's, so I think you're tapped in because you're, you know what he's looking for and you can see when someone else found it.
joe rogan
Yeah, there's that, and there's, I guess, you know, you just see that someone's putting together something that's, you know, if you don't do comedy, don't understand, like, how jokes are really structured, like, what's the best way to get to the premise, like, what's an elegant path, right?
There's things like you might not be seeing.
ryan long
Elegant path is a great way to put it.
unidentified
Yeah.
joe rogan
Like, you know when someone will be an open-miker, like a Kill Tony set, and they'll have an elegant path to a premise.
You're like, ooh.
Like, I like the way this person thinks.
ryan long
Yeah.
joe rogan
Like, you're thinking in an interesting way.
It's a fun way, and it's very clever, and the bit was not bad.
Like, ha-ha, that's pretty good, pretty good, pretty good.
And you could tell them afterwards, like, hey, man, you got something.
ryan long
Something's there, yeah, yeah.
joe rogan
Something's there.
ryan long
I'm not going to...
You don't need more than that, but yeah, yeah.
joe rogan
I don't know if agents will pick that up or executives will pick that up.
Executives are like the last to pick it up.
They're the worst at picking it up.
They've always got like notes.
I remember I was in a terrible movie once and this kid who was the star of the movie, this executive from Disney who had – I think he was from Disney.
He had suspenders on and cufflinks and a $50,000 watch on.
And he's doing act-outs to this guy and telling this guy how to do the scene.
ryan long
Oh, okay.
joe rogan
There you go.
And it was terrible.
ryan long
You're like, what are you doing?
joe rogan
Oh, my God.
So, because this guy, who is this young guy, who is the star of the movie...
Wasn't famous yet.
So they could just tell him what to do.
So he was really funny.
But they would get in like, no, I want you to walk in the room.
unidentified
I'm like, what is happening?
joe rogan
And this guy like axed out and like, oh no.
And I'm sitting there like going, this is going to be a disaster.
This is going to be a disaster.
ryan long
Yeah, I've seen this a million times.
joe rogan
Yeah, I know how this ends.
And exactly it was correct.
They ruined the whole thing.
ryan long
You know what it is?
joe rogan
It's just a thing that happens though.
ryan long
They think of it like the computers.
That's what they think of it like.
joe rogan
If you get people that are in that position to dictate whether or not art gets made or not, they start getting this like very self-righteous, like very, you know, like, I understand culture.
I understand.
Especially that a hit.
Yeah.
Oh my god.
I mean, how do you think Harvey Weinstein got to where he was at?
unidentified
He was putting out banger after banger.
joe rogan
He was putting out banger after banger while being a super creeper.
ryan long
That operation definitely doesn't work as good when you're like, meet me in the hotel room.
She's like, four people saw your last movie.
joe rogan
Exactly.
Well, I mean, I don't know what he was promising them, right?
Like, he was promising them and supposedly delivering to some of them.
That was a part of what he was doing.
But the movies, they were so goddamn good that even though people knew he was a fucking creep, they still wanted to work with him.
ryan long
What were some of his biggest bangers?
Pulp Fiction.
joe rogan
Dude.
I mean, he did all the Tarantino movies, right?
Except, did he do the last one?
Did he do Once Upon a Time in Hollywood?
Dude, he's done so many fucking movies.
ryan long
There is also that executive level at his level where you're like, you're not that involved in the movie by at some point.
Who knows what it looks like before.
joe rogan
But those people that have the power to decide whether something gets made or not made, or someone gets cast or not cast.
ryan long
Just the ego that comes with that.
joe rogan
And if you keep making banger after banger, and you're probably doing BOW! Yeah, dude.
ryan long
You're getting fucking crazy.
unidentified
The party.
joe rogan
You got a stint in your heart and you're fucking grinding your teeth.
ryan long
You're at Hollywood parties, yeah.
joe rogan
Oh my god.
That is the old, that's Hollywood forever and ever.
It's been Hollywood forever, right?
When you think about Hollywood, you think of the casting couch.
Like people think about these producers.
unidentified
Parties and blow.
joe rogan
Yeah, parties and blow and people are banging each other and...
Having parties in the hills.
They're just degenerates.
And they were making the films that kept the moral compass of the nation.
Which is really kind of wild.
ryan long
Yeah, like lawyers covering up dead bodies.
like you know oh no it is like I remember when there's like one of the big gatekeeper guys in like Canada when I was starting comedy I was like, I signed with one of the things and he goes, hey, when you start, people don't really know who you are that much.
He goes, I think your set would be better if he goes, say you're a mix of one thing and another thing.
And he told me that.
unidentified
I was like, yeah, I know that's available to do.
ryan long
He told me that.
I wasn't aware that I could say, I know what you're thinking.
I'm a cross between...
joe rogan
Oh my god.
unidentified
I'm a grass between, you know, a ho and a ho.
ryan long
Is that Galvanakis?
Whatever, right?
So yeah, they think that, and you're like, in his mind, he was actually telling me a hot take.
joe rogan
It's always weird when you see the guy who's like the frustrated host, who's like not that good, who is giving open micers shit advice.
ryan long
The worst advice you could possibly get is from that guy.
joe rogan
Oh no, I see that coming.
I remember getting advice from a guy like that.
There's people that just wanted to give you advice because they didn't like the path that you were on.
Or they were telling...
This one guy was telling me that what I was doing was like...
I was getting cheaper laughs because I was swearing.
ryan long
The work clean guy.
joe rogan
The work clean guy.
I had to figure out how to say my jokes without a swear.
And he had an example that he did.
He said, I used to tell it like this with a swear.
And he goes, now I say it like this.
I go, you should go back to doing it the first way.
It makes more sense.
Like, who talks without swears?
unidentified
Ever.
joe rogan
So I was saying, I go, the guys that I like, they're always, they swore.
ryan long
Yeah, sometimes you can overdo it.
joe rogan
I like Dice Clay and Sam Kinison and Richard Pryor.
He's like, well, you're not Dice Clay.
And I'm like, oh my god, dude.
You're not listening to me.
There's a type of art form that I like.
That's what I want to practice.
ryan long
That reminds me so much of one time...
I think it was Seinfeld and Marin or something.
They were having this argument about...
He was saying...
You know, there's only...
The funny is funny and that's that.
And I think the other...
Maren, one of them was saying was like, well, no, there's types of funny and some is better.
And it was just like, you guys are talking about...
It was like literally two guys saying like, well, jazz is better.
And the other guys being like, well, metal is better.
And like, it was just like, yeah, those are two different genres.
If you're talking about like...
Airplane stuff.
Yes, obviously like one laugh might not be that better than the other But if you're talking about certain things like yeah the observation that hasn't been said 50 times is obviously like a better laugh and so sometimes People are just arguing like what the different genres are like you're saying you're like I like this type of comedy and he was like that type of comedy is bad Clean comedy is the way to do it.
joe rogan
Yeah, but he just wasn't successful and he was worried that other people were correct Which is a thing that people do when they're struggling and they see promising open micers.
This is what I'm talking about.
That was my example.
He didn't like that I killed.
He didn't like that I killed and I was dirty.
And he wanted to have a talk to me afterwards.
Yeah, because he wasn't doing well.
He was, like, barely getting by, like, as a professional, but he was a working professional, and he wanted other people to follow his path.
But for someone to say that, like, one comedy is better than another kind of comedy, it's just like saying music.
Like, oh, jazz is better than rock.
Like, okay, whatever.
Like, see you.
Like, this is nonsense.
Like, the argument is so stupid that I don't entertain what I don't like.
So I don't ever say, like, this kind of comedy is better than that kind of comedy.
I just say, I like this better.
This is what I enjoy most.
unidentified
Of course.
joe rogan
But I like that kind of...
ryan long
And depends on your mood, too, sometimes.
joe rogan
Clean and dirty is so stupid because, like, Gaffigan's one of the funniest guys alive.
unidentified
Of course!
joe rogan
And so is Brian Regan.
Clean as a whistle.
Nate Bargatze.
Clean...
ryan long
Yeah.
It's a different thing.
joe rogan
Clean and fucking hilarious.
It doesn't matter.
ryan long
What type of guy are you?
I mean, the best one for you is probably what's the truest to your actual personality.
joe rogan
Yeah, if you're going to do comedy, yeah.
And some guys, they don't swear a lot.
They're just like subtly noticing things that's hilarious.
Everybody's got a different thing, you know?
ryan long
I heard a guy talking about, kind of like 2000, maybe like 16, 17. I remember like, or whenever like Jordan Peterson was kind of coming on the scene and he was like, I really don't like that guy.
And he was like, And I was like, what do you think of this guy?
And he was like, I hate this guy.
And I was like, what about Sam Harris or these guys?
He's like, I hate that guy.
And I was listing off every public intellectual guy.
I was like, what about Tim Ferriss?
He's like, I don't like him.
And I was like, okay, so you just don't like guys that talk.
If you don't like the genre of metal, I don't care what bands you're into.
You know what I mean?
joe rogan
If you don't like all of those people, maybe it's you.
ryan long
Maybe you don't like yourself either.
joe rogan
Maybe if you liked yourself, you would like those people.
ryan long
And on top of that, maybe you just don't like, yeah.
joe rogan
There's things that all those people say that I agree with and disagree with.
But to say that they don't contribute, that they're not interesting, that's so stupid.
But there's a lot of people out there that are just wholesale negative.
They're just wholesale negative about everything.
And they think somehow or another that makes them deep.
And it doesn't.
It just makes you a cunt.
You're just a cunt.
You're just a cunty man who is out there spreading about a bunch of negativity about things constantly and consistently and not doing anything that anybody finds really interesting enough to fulfill your needs.
It's hard to find a balance.
Who the fuck made that quote that all...
ryan long
Be back.
joe rogan
No, no, no.
Hold on a second.
All criticism comes from a tragic result of unmet needs.
That's the quote Which is a great quote.
ryan long
There's a lot to it.
joe rogan
Yeah, the tragic result of unmet needs.
That, like, you wish you had more than you do, so you get mad at people that are doing better than you.
Every criticism, judgment, diagnosis, and expression of anger is the tragic expression of an unmet need.
Marshall Rosenberg.
Are your old beliefs preventing you from getting your current needs met?
Oh boy, that sounds like if I click on that link, they're gonna get my credit card.
ryan long
You want your needs met?
joe rogan
Are you getting your needs, man?
But that's a lot of what negative people are.
They're just not doing well.
That's why they're so negative about everything.
You can enjoy things and not enjoy things, but to be really upset about something that's like...
Does Green Day make you that mad?
They're not my favorite either, but what is it?
unidentified
What is it that makes you murderous about Green Day?
Can you just avoid them and listen to something you do like?
You know what I'm saying?
joe rogan
There's that fucking dude that just hates something so much.
You're like, I think you hate yourself as much as you hate that other thing.
ryan long
Because you can be cynical and still positive.
And I think that that's like the mix to find, where you're like, you know, your buddy that's like hyped up about life, he's positive about the future, you know, you're like, oh, that's good.
But you can be like, what's going on?
You don't have to just be like, everyone's lying, everyone sucks, but you can still be positive.
And I think that's the balance of probably the right balance to strike.
joe rogan
Yeah, that's the right balance to strike.
It's a more fun balance.
But it's hard to navigate.
ryan long
And on the internet, you're rewarded for being just a fucking idiot.
Just being like, this guy stinks.
The Green Day stinks?
That guy could have a YouTube page now about how Green Day stinks.
joe rogan
Engaging with people in that way all day long in a negative way and complaining about stuff is so commonplace but so stupid.
It's such a giant waste of your energy.
It's like you're playing a dumb video game.
It's like you're playing some dumb social video game and you're complaining about stuff.
And there's no fighting with each other about stuff.
ryan long
Yeah, that's why even dudes that are kind of like...
In comedy scenes, a lot of times they'll be like, oh, they only want women, blah, blah.
And it was like, yeah, leave.
At some point, it's on you to sort of take it into your own hands and start your own thing.
There's probably no sadder person right now than the person that's like, I don't know what you just said.
joe rogan
They only want women?
What do you mean?
ryan long
So let's say that you were on like a festival, right?
And you're like, hey, we're gonna have 10 comics or whatever.
And most of the dudes in the scene are like men or whatever.
And then they go, you know what?
We're like, this show, we're really looking for women.
I've been on a million conversations for TV and stuff.
Like, we're not looking for women.
And then, yeah, for a second, you might be like, ugh.
But at some point, you're like, okay, so?
You know, there's a million things you could do.
Like, you could always...
You can always win yourself.
There's always a place for you to do better.
So that's where I'm like, it's better to be positive and to just be like, oh, the world's against me, you know?
joe rogan
Yeah, well, I think...
ryan long
You can point it out and still be positive.
joe rogan
People like to dwell on negative shit.
That's why they do it.
And they also think that there's certain things that are going to be big milestones, like if they get into a festival.
It's going to propel them to the next stage.
And that's what they really want.
They really want to be propelled to the next stage.
But really, all I think anybody who's doing anything should be focusing on is whatever the fuck you're doing, try to do it the best you can.
And that's what you can control.
You can't control festivals.
You can't control all that other shit.
You can't control whether or not you kill.
So if you're going up all the time and your set keeps getting better and you're fucking murdering it, that's great.
That's great.
Concentrate on that and then just be undeniable.
Get to a point where you don't have to think about it anymore.
And then before you know it, they'll be asking you to do stuff.
Before you know it.
It doesn't take that long.
And then you're in a completely different situation and then just keep going.
ryan long
And you won't even care at that point.
joe rogan
Just keep going.
And some guys keep going and some guys don't.
Some people fall apart.
ryan long
Yeah, the effects, you know, I feel like sometimes when you just keep going, there's like little things I feel like, one thing that I feel like you would, it's interesting that you don't even probably know, but in Toronto, the main comedy club, the corner comedy club that we would do every night.
joe rogan
Yuck Yucks?
ryan long
Yuck Yucks is like the big chain.
The one of the ones that we would do a lot was the corner comedy clubs.
We do both.
joe rogan
Oh, the corner comedy clubs.
ryan long
Do you remember you used to come to the underground and it was like the weed scene?
joe rogan
That was fun.
ryan long
And you would do that.
So this guy, Joe, who we used to do as a comedy club, he met someone through the death squad message boards.
And that guy, they, I think, went to one of your shows or whatever.
They were, like, hanging out.
They toured together.
That guy said, he was like, I want to start a comedy club.
The guy's like, I got money, I'll fund it.
So, through, randomly through, like, one of your message boards, guys met, guy funded another guy, made a comedy club.
Now there was two of them, and it's, like, one of the main comedy clubs that, like, a lot of people have become popular through that one little club.
joe rogan
Oh, that's amazing.
ryan long
And you, like, wouldn't even know that, you know what I mean?
joe rogan
No, I wouldn't know that.
That's amazing, though.
That's cool.
ryan long
Isn't that cool?
joe rogan
Yeah, that is cool.
Yeah, having comedy communities, man, is the fucking shit.
It's so fun.
It's so important.
When you don't have a good community, it's so hard to enjoy it.
ryan long
Yeah.
joe rogan
You know, like part of like the fun of doing comedy is hanging out with comics.
It's like a giant part of it.
Like these shows that we do at the Vulcan.
ryan long
So cool.
joe rogan
Shows that we'll do in town when my club opens up.
It's like we're just having fun.
We're all having fun together.
ryan long
You know what's funny?
Every little comedy scene when you're starting has the same, like, ten characters.
You know what I mean?
There's, like, one guy that used to be in jail.
joe rogan
Like a Shakespearean play.
ryan long
Yeah, like, it kind of is.
There's, like, one guy that used to be in jail.
joe rogan
One guy who's a rodeo guy, retired.
ryan long
Yeah, yeah.
It's all the characters.
Like, one guy that doesn't speak English that well.
A dentist.
Every time he's got a dentist.
joe rogan
Right, right, right.
ryan long
So it is funny.
joe rogan
One guy with a handicap.
ryan long
Yeah, the scenes that...
You know how comedians will get in trouble a little bit for the shit they say?
It always makes me laugh if you ever had to say that in a movie.
Imagine explaining movies from scratch.
joe rogan
I know.
Right.
Or in pretending that these scenes in movies where you do something horrible, you're actually doing that.
And you actually think that way.
I mean, think about some of the violence that we'll watch in films, like in Once Upon a Time in Hollywood, when Brad Pitt kills this woman, smashing her face into a fireplace.
ryan long
Yeah.
joe rogan
Remember that?
ryan long
Of course, yeah.
That was a great movie.
joe rogan
That's how he did it, right?
I'm not imagining that.
I remember thinking like, what?
And I remember thinking only Quentin Tarantino can get away with this because he's kind of grandfathered in.
unidentified
Yeah.
joe rogan
Doing this kind of like insane uber violence and have, you know, Brad Pitt's character doing that to a woman.
Like, what the fuck?
That did happen, right?
ryan long
He does get away with a lot.
joe rogan
Oh, he gets away at the most.
ryan long
And then imagine you were like, you know, the way that comedy sort of, you defend it, imagine like an alien came down and you're explaining what movies are and you're like, hey, so we auditioned 10 guys and then we get them to rape a girl and people watch this before they go to sleep.
You're just like, what?
You know, it seems like even crazier, you know?
joe rogan
It seems completely crazy.
All of it seems crazy.
It seems crazy that violence is no problem at all in a movie.
But sex, like, we can't see graphic sex in a movie.
Like, we separate graphic sex from graphic violence.
ryan long
Yeah.
joe rogan
You can have graphic violence in a regular movie.
So you can have a regular movie that's really interesting and fascinating, and then it becomes graphically violent.
And nobody has a problem with that.
But if you have a regular movie that becomes graphically sexual, like, people will get weird.
Not quite the fireplace, I guess.
unidentified
It's the telephone on the...
joe rogan
Oh, it's a telephone on the wall.
That's right.
Oh, then her face on the wall smashes the window and then there's the fireplace.
Yeah.
Bro, that is so wild.
That is so wild.
So imagine writing that and saying something like that on stage.
People go, what the fuck is wrong with you?
ryan long
Yeah, yeah, yeah.
joe rogan
I don't mean this.
This is just like a piece of art that I've created.
I've created this fake scenario.
I don't think it's real.
ryan long
And there's sometimes you kind of do mean it and sometimes you kind of don't.
joe rogan
There's a little dance we're doing.
ryan long
It's a dance you're doing.
It's nuanced.
It's jokes.
joe rogan
It's called doing stand-up.
It's the last bastion of mockery of a thing that you can't criticize.
So when people get upset that people are telling trans jokes, I'm like, you have to.
ryan long
Yes, especially now.
unidentified
You have to.
joe rogan
You have to.
And if you're gonna get mad at the way Dave Chappelle phrased it, that's really what's bothering you?
unidentified
Sure.
joe rogan
His version of it?
It was basically a love letter to his friend who committed suicide, who is trans, who supported him, and got bullied online about it.
Like, that's what the story's about when he's telling it.
ryan long
Yeah.
joe rogan
Like, you find that transphobic?
Like, this is crazy.
ryan long
Yeah, and especially in a place where you're like...
If you were doing any sort of, you know, comedy that you want to talk about this stuff, you know, you want to talk about everything, and they go, hey, there's this one thing you're going to be in big trouble if you don't talk, if you talk about it, and then you don't, like, all right, well, ha, like, there's no way that's good cultural commentary.
You go, oh, all void.
That's the guy that works for, you know, the government, and he was like, don't talk about the Pfizer thing.
joe rogan
Well, I don't like talking about things that are controversial, because I don't want people to feel bad, Ryan.
ryan long
Yeah, yeah.
And it doesn't even have to be a crazy take where you go ahead and not talk about it.
joe rogan
There's certain things that you're not allowed to bring up anymore.
And it's very odd.
And I think that if we go further and further down that line, you're gonna run out of things that you're not allowed to say.
ryan long
I think normal people...
joe rogan
We're in the process of making things that were just like mutually accepted just a few years ago.
We'd be completely hostile to say today.
ryan long
It's so funny, though.
joe rogan
At a certain point in time, like, come on, guys.
ryan long
It did make comedy rule, though.
Like, right now, it's so funny.
I don't know.
I do find that, like, in my opinion, 2016, 15, 16, like, day Trump, you know, elected kind of thing.
That was the peak of where things were getting real.
Felt like it was kind of calming down a little bit.
COVID, it went back to there.
I remember going from feeling like saying stuff and people being like, finally someone said it, to kind of feeling like people were like, yeah, we think that.
And I could just, instead of talking about relationships in the context of now, I was just talking about relationships, you know?
And I feel like it's a feeling like that.
I don't know very many guys, men especially, I don't know very many that are not like, that would be like, hey, come on, don't say that.
I feel like that...
Kind of guy is a bit of a dying breed the don't say that guy yeah, I feel like they've I feel like the audiences of When someone comes up and they start being like well Anyways, I was talking to someone that was fat phobic.
joe rogan
I feel like you can feel the audience be like God if someone woke attached to comedy is a real problem You've handicapped your comedy You've put your comedy in and you're only allowed to hit certain RPMs.
You're gonna have to be offensive to hit some other RPMs.
ryan long
Do you think the right's gonna be more offended moving forward?
joe rogan
No, I think people are gonna become more rational about subscribing to very specific ideologies.
There's things that you should agree with on both sides.
There's things that are uncomfortable truths that are being uttered by both sides.
You know, whether it's truths about economic inequality or there's truths about jobs availability, whether it's truth about crime and guns and voting and all, there's truths on both sides.
The real problem is ideologies.
It's like we're so fucking tribal that we want to be all this or all that.
We either want to be all red or all blue and people just adopt These ideas and opinions based on that group because it's convenient and it saves them from criticism in their community.
And it's a natural thing that people do.
So they'll say things that don't make any fucking sense and they'll say it because they think this is the thing that you have to say in order to be in the group.
And you have to do what the group is telling you to do, and you have to take whatever medications this group is telling you to take, and believe in whatever international conflicts are necessary.
You have to be all in.
ryan long
Here's what you're mad about abroad.
joe rogan
Yeah, you have to be all in.
You have to be, you know, it has to be, life begins at the moment of conception, if you're on the other side.
It has to be, everybody should have a gun all the time.
It has to be these lizard people in a pizza place eating babies.
You know, it's QAnon.
It's like all of it.
And so everybody feels disconnected.
It's like, my God, I don't want to be on the far right and I don't want to be on the far left.
Like there's got to be some sort of a rational alternative to the base realities of the world We live in and making it better than it is now because the way it is now is kind of cockeyed and fucked up and there's you know giant corporations that are extracting a shitload of money and they're spreading their Influence and spreading a narrative that's not necessarily good for all of us, but it's really good for making a lot of money Maybe we should talk about that.
Maybe we should look at it and go, hey guys, slow down.
ryan long
Take it easy.
joe rogan
Take it easy.
Our whole culture is being dominated by this desire to make more and more money.
It's weird.
It's weird.
And I think it's only until mind reading comes along.
And when mind reading comes along, the jig is up.
ryan long
The jig is up.
joe rogan
It's up for everybody.
Once mind reading comes along, we're going to have a completely different understanding of each other.
That's in our lifetime.
That's, you know, whatever the fuck it is.
25 years.
ryan long
That stinks.
Because you're right, what people think about on the left and right, it comes down to like, here's your four things.
joe rogan
Yeah, here's your things.
ryan long
You know what kind of reminds me of like, if you think of like a hospital, and like an army hospital, and you have like 20,000 beds, and then there's like 10 right-wing doctors and 10 right-wing left-wing doctors, and they're like, they're all paying attention to these three, and then the left-wing doctors are all paying attention to these three, and then there's all these other ones, and everyone's like, hey, don't worry about those people over there.
And you go, there's lots of stuff going on.
joe rogan
I didn't even know there were left-wing doctors versus right-wing doctors.
I never thought about it.
I never thought about it once.
I always just thought that was the doctor.
ryan long
Just a doctor.
joe rogan
I didn't give a fuck what political affiliation my doctor was.
You shouldn't.
If he's a good orthopedic surgeon, he's really good at repairing knees, I don't want to say...
ryan long
Don't care what this guy thinks about pizza game.
joe rogan
I think maybe Biden is inventing words.
I don't want to say that to him.
I don't know what he thinks.
I don't want to know.
I want to know how good are you at fixing these.
ryan long
And you don't want to piss him off either.
So you're like, you're a Trump guy or a Biden guy?
He's like, Biden guy.
You're like, the best.
joe rogan
He's great.
Fix me.
When I'm under, don't take a picture of your dick on my nose.
ryan long
You're not an alien, are you?
joe rogan
Oh yeah, fucking Biden, huh?
ryan long
Okay, those aren't lizard scissors, are they?
joe rogan
Yeah, you have to agree with your doctor if he's gonna cut you open.
ryan long
Yeah, whatever you think, bro.
You go, Hillary's the best, I'm with her.
What do you need?
joe rogan
I bet there's people that probably wouldn't have worked on people if they thought that person was a Trump supporter.
ryan long
1000%.
Yeah.
joe rogan
I guarantee there's someone out there that made that choice.
That I can't support you.
You're gonna have to go to another doctor.
That guy's a piece of shit.
ryan long
They're doing, yeah, like mid-surgery, they see like a mega tattoo on their shoulder.
What the hell?
joe rogan
Undress the guy and go dress him back up again.
Wake him up.
Wake him up.
I'm not doing this.
He's got a Trump profile on his ribs, like with the crazy hair, like a cartoon profile, the whole side of his body.
There's got to be guys like that.
How many Trump tattoos are there out there?
By the way, I'm living in a glass house with this one.
ryan long
Is there any real heroes that have like a Baron Trump tattoo, like for the real Trump heads?
joe rogan
I'm sure there's people with a Baron Trump head.
ryan long
Is there anyone with an Eric Trump tattoo?
That's down there.
joe rogan
100%.
There's four or five guys roaming the earth with an Eric Trump tattoo.
Guarantee you.
ryan long
Just like real.
joe rogan
Right?
ryan long
Yeah, down for the cause.
joe rogan
Jamie, how many Trump tattoos are there?
jamie vernon
I don't even know how to look that up.
joe rogan
Just don't be scared to Google Trump tattoo.
unidentified
No, but I mean like...
joe rogan
Tattoo of Donald Trump.
ryan long
Yeah, I guess I have the number.
joe rogan
Do you want to see one?
unidentified
I can show you one, but like...
ryan long
We can find out how many Eric Trump tattoos.
unidentified
I don't know how many of them there are.
joe rogan
I know, you're probably right.
It's not documented.
But if you Google tattoo of Donald Trump, I bet there's some bangers.
ryan long
Don't Google how many tattoos of Trump are on Ryan Long's body.
joe rogan
How many he got?
Look at this.
There's a bunch of them.
Tramp stamp.
You guys get a Trump tramp stamp?
Trump tramp stamp.
This is Trump with tribal design.
unidentified
Look at that Trump with tribal design.
joe rogan
That shit is hilarious, dude.
unidentified
Mr. Trump, please come on my lower back, sir.
joe rogan
Why does he have that?
Ooh, look at that one.
Whoa, these are wild.
The blood sign!
ryan long
The blood sign!
joe rogan
That's crazy, and it's like Mickey Mouse hands.
ryan long
Is that Kodak Black?
He loves Trump.
joe rogan
Oh, look at this one.
Trump as Captain America.
Look at that one right there with the forehead.
ryan long
Yeah.
joe rogan
The flag on the forehead.
ryan long
The one next to it, Jamie?
If any of these guys hate him now because of the vaccine stuff.
joe rogan
Oh, free!
ryan long
They did a free Trump tattoo?
joe rogan
If you get them at the shop.
ryan long
The guy looks like you!
unidentified
Well, I fucking support Mr. Trump, no matter what.
joe rogan
In New Hampshire, look at him.
ryan long
I love this guy.
joe rogan
Go back to the one where Trump has the American flag on his forehead.
That was the one I wanted to see.
ryan long
In comedy, when you talk about Trump, it was talking about culture, but when you talk about Biden, it's talking about politics.
I feel like, is there any Biden tattoos?
That's the question.
joe rogan
100% there's Biden tattoos.
Look at that.
That's a really good one.
In terms of, like, the artwork?
Look at that!
He's got that face!
ryan long
That's a good face for it.
joe rogan
Okay, now Google...
ryan long
Oh, on the forehead!
joe rogan
Wow!
He got his forehead done?
ryan long
Come on!
joe rogan
Where?
ryan long
Top, left, down one.
joe rogan
That could be Sharpie.
ryan long
Oh, maybe that's Sharpie.
joe rogan
That looks like Sharpie.
That guy's trolling.
That guy's on Reddit right now laughing.
ryan long
That guy's on his way to the Capitol to mess stuff up, dude!
joe rogan
Um, what about Biden tattoos?
There's gotta be some.
I bet one guy's got his whole back done.
No.
The kind of guy who would get a back Biden tattoo, like his whole back down to Biden, will quit halfway into it.
So it's like a halfway done Biden back tattoo.
No one can ever finish them.
unidentified
A bunch of pictures of Joe Biden tattoos, so it's not giving me real results.
joe rogan
Tattoos of Joe Biden.
ryan long
I feel like it's going to be like, you know, 65-year-old like CNN lady sort of thing, you know?
That's who I'm thinking.
Like Upper West Side kind of thing.
joe rogan
Upper West Side, yeah.
On her thigh.
Got anything?
There's one.
That guy right there is doing one.
It's Biden with, like, boobs.
ryan long
Steve-O? He has one?
joe rogan
What is that one that says the...
The one that...
Go back?
Right there.
Yeah.
What is that?
That's Biden with a bra on.
ryan long
Oh, Joe Biden's my daddy?
unidentified
What?
joe rogan
What is that?
That's disrespectful.
unidentified
It says funny or die.
joe rogan
It's not real.
ryan long
That's the president.
joe rogan
That's disrespectful.
um yeah that's just Shia LaBeouf Shia LaBeouf How do you say his name?
LaBeouf.
ryan long
That's a wild dude.
joe rogan
No Biden tattoos.
No one got a tattoo of Biden.
ryan long
That's what I was kind of thinking.
I felt like...
It doesn't mean that there aren't people that support him, obviously, but I'm saying that...
I think people were just like, okay, that's fine.
They were happy that he's there.
There are people.
But no one was like...
I've never met anyone...
I met people that were girls that were all in on Hillary Clinton.
They were, I'm with her, to the max, cried when she lost, that kind of thing.
I don't know a single person that, like, considers himself, like, a Biden head.
You know what I mean?
joe rogan
I know what you're saying.
unidentified
Yeah.
ryan long
I don't think he had to...
joe rogan
He's the leader of the party that they support.
ryan long
I know.
joe rogan
They just take him.
ryan long
Yeah, yeah.
They just didn't watch Trump.
joe rogan
Everybody kind of just assumes at this point in time that someone is helping him make decisions.
ryan long
Yeah, yeah, yeah.
I think so.
joe rogan
I mean, assuming.
I don't know.
I don't know how it works.
ryan long
All of them probably have people helping them make decisions, but the extent to which...
joe rogan
Yeah.
In his situation...
Seems like he needs some assistance.
unidentified
Some assistance to put it all together.
ryan long
That being said, because if he is that old and they're like, he's not capable of doing anything, there is a part of me that's like, good, don't do anything.
Whenever the government doesn't do anything, that's a good day, probably.
joe rogan
Yeah, but I don't think it ever doesn't do something.
There's so many moving pieces.
ryan long
No, they got other people that are doing stuff behind the back, probably.
joe rogan
Well, the thing about the way the government runs, it's particularly interesting, is that you bring in a new guy to try to run it every four years.
Which is kind of crazy.
ryan long
It is kind of crazy.
joe rogan
Because like every other job, like you need a while to figure out how to do it right.
ryan long
Yeah.
joe rogan
Like you get cooking and you start figuring out what's the best way to be more efficient.
Like I'm really better at this now.
I understand this because I've experienced that before.
Like it's too bad that people are tyrannical in nature.
Because if you could get like a guy who's just like the CEO of a company who runs that company like Tim Cook.
ryan long
Yeah.
joe rogan
Tim Cook's anonymous with that or another person that's anonymous with a number.
They did a really good job at running a company.
You can get that kind of person to be president.
It would be great.
Somebody who's really good at the job and gets better at it over time and runs it for a long time.
But we don't trust you.
ryan long
No.
joe rogan
You can't be the president for too long.
It's too tempting to be an evil cunt.
ryan long
Exactly.
There's benefits and costs, right?
If they can't fire you, there's benefits.
That's why you can do great things.
But if you're bad, they can't get rid of you.
So there's more civil unrest.
Have you ever worked for the government?
Have you ever had a job?
joe rogan
I've had a job, but never for the government.
ryan long
Yeah, I've had a bunch of them, right?
Because in Canada, when I was doing CBC stuff for the government, I've worked for a hockey rink, and then I was like a lacrosse referee.
So I've worked for the government like a bunch of times.
The amount that people do nothing is the best gig in the world.
Really?
Some construction sites are like this, but with the government, like legitimately I did like, you know, kind of went around and like cut grass or whatever when I was like in college.
If someone does a smoke break, we used to say, like, anyone from any side of the city.
If someone's on the other side of the city, sparks a cigarette, it's break time for everyone.
joe rogan
Jesus Christ.
ryan long
Dude, it was the best.
joe rogan
So you just fucked off all the time.
No accountability.
ryan long
Legitimately, you'd be like, you'd take the car out and drive to the thing, and then you'd, like, drive 45 minutes, and then go, oh, I think we forgot something.
Then you drive back, take the long road, then you drive back, and you go, oh, it's break time now, good donuts.
joe rogan
Wow.
ryan long
I mean, there's normal jobs that are like that, too, but those ones are a little, no one's paying attention.
The best gig.
joe rogan
No one feels bad because it's just taxes that are paying you.
ryan long
Yeah, there's no guy at the end of that or shareholders being like, yo, what have you been doing?
joe rogan
Right.
Isn't that wild?
Because you can never have that, though.
You could never have a dominant country that's owned by a dominant company.
You know, the way someone can run a business, you could never run a company or a country that way.
ryan long
China's trying to.
joe rogan
They're trying to do it.
ryan long
Yeah.
They're China.
They're banning everything they don't like.
But I think they kind of try to not mess with the markets.
joe rogan
But they made the government itself, if they made it open to anybody...
Instead of just following the system that we have, if people devised alternative voting systems and decided to abandon the old system, how long do you think they would even be able to plan something like that openly before the people of the original system attack them?
ryan long
If they say, we're going to all quit— This one's too powerful.
joe rogan
We're going to all quit the government.
We're all going to quit fiat money.
We're all going to try a completely new system, but we've got to all agree to it.
Otherwise, it's going to be a civil war.
ryan long
In China, they're banning crypto.
They fight it tooth and nail.
joe rogan
They're banning crypto?
It's centralized digital currency, right?
ryan long
I think that they...
I actually probably...
I'm going to be talking too much shit if I talk about what China exactly has done with that.
But there are a lot of places that are...
You know, I think that that's probably the United States government.
Probably, yeah.
I mean, why would you want...
You're like, hey, there's this new money.
You're going to be like, yeah, well, that's not good.
joe rogan
Yeah, if you had the power to ban crypto and you owned all the regular money, I'd want to do that.
ryan long
Yeah, I mean, obviously, right?
joe rogan
You go, hey, hey, hey, you can't make your own money.
ryan long
No one's making their own money here, okay?
unidentified
Yeah.
joe rogan
But if everybody just agreed...
ryan long
Yeah, how...
I mean, they would fight tooth and nail, and it would be kind of what you're experiencing in entertainment.
It's like, they'd be trying to make you the devil or whatever, and then anyone...
I mean, you'd be getting in jail.
I think a lot of people would end up in prison.
joe rogan
Yeah, they would fire you.
They would prosecute you.
They would arrest you.
They would find a way.
You can't just take over.
You can't take over.
You can't privatize all the police.
You know, if someone said, listen, we're just gonna stop funding the police, we're gonna privatize this, we're gonna all pitch in and get a very high-tech Change the whole game.
Complete, yeah, just like a giant army of well-trained police officers that are privately hired.
Like, what?
You can't take over the city?
Are you taking over the city?
ryan long
Yeah, it's our city now.
joe rogan
Yeah, if you have one company that has the power to tell these people what to do and what not to do, especially if- That's a lot, too.
Life and law get a little slippery.
Like any sort of a natural disaster, mass rioting, looting.
ryan long
That's how you get them sold.
joe rogan
Uh-huh.
Things can get crazy.
If the power goes out for a few months, imagine.
ryan long
It takes less than that to get people on board with crazy stuff.
You're like, yeah, the power went out for an hour.
It's like, hey, we're going to need martial law.
joe rogan
Dude.
It's so scary.
We're so lucky that we have the internet.
We're so lucky that people can communicate and talk about how bizarre it is that certain factions of the government have so much power over people.
Because they couldn't do that in the past.
There was no way to talk about it.
ryan long
You just got the paper and talked at work.
Yeah, yeah, yeah.
joe rogan
He talked at work or a few of those fucking people at the Rolling Stones concert at 69. He talked backstage while he was smoking grass.
And everybody thought you were crazy.
unidentified
Yeah.
joe rogan
Come on, Ryan, just get a job, will ya?
unidentified
Yeah, yeah.
What are you gonna do?
joe rogan
Are you gonna follow the Rolling Stones around your whole life?
unidentified
And you're like, these government bureaucrats, they don't even know, man.
ryan long
And then you go, I'm gonna change the game!
And then that guy, like 40 years later, is like, yeah, it turns out the game's pretty hard to change.
Turns out you can't change the game.
He comes back, he's just like all black and blue in a suit.
He goes, they didn't want me changing it, turns out.
joe rogan
That's what the internet is doing, though.
It is changing the game in the weirdest way.
ryan long
Decentralized everything.
joe rogan
It exposes what politics really are in the weirdest way.
Where it makes people recognize like, oh my god, you guys are just influenced by massive amounts of money.
And you make these decisions not based on the greater good of the people, but based on whether or not these people who gave you all this money or donating all this money get what they want.
ryan long
Yeah.
joe rogan
So you're setting things up in a way that's going to be very advantageous to them and you.
And then when you retire, you're going to get hundreds of thousands of dollars to speak.
It's all nuts.
It's like this weird money extraction dance that you're watching.
And the only way that can keep that going is we have to remain in some sort of constant conflict, whether it's ideological conflict with each other, whether it's like fear of conflict with other countries.
ryan long
That's how you keep the jig up.
joe rogan
Shoot down the balloons, Ryan.
Shoot down the balloons.
ryan long
The Chinese balloons?
unidentified
We are being invaded by balloons!
ryan long
The drug spy balloons?
joe rogan
Didn't they say that that wasn't really even a Chinese balloon?
Is that true?
Someone sent me something that looked very wacky that was saying that that balloon was some sort of an observation device from America.
jamie vernon
The first one I thought China responded to and said that it was aggressive.
ryan long
There's a couple kicking around Canada too.
joe rogan
That China said they were being aggressive?
The United States was being aggressive?
jamie vernon
Shooting it down was aggressive.
unidentified
And then there was a couple that were spotted over China.
jamie vernon
I was asking my friends yesterday, what happened to all this?
And then another one was spotted over Hawaii last night or yesterday.
joe rogan
So one of them that was shot down, China admitted it was theirs?
jamie vernon
That's why I said it the way I said it.
unidentified
I'm not saying they said that.
jamie vernon
They just said that shooting that down was aggressive.
I don't think they claimed it was ours.
joe rogan
Oh, that's kind of interesting.
We shot our own shit down.
Shooting that down was aggressive.
They're playing 4D chess over there.
If it was theirs, it doesn't make any sense.
All of it doesn't make sense if I'm correct about the kind of resolution that they can get out of those spy satellites.
I think with those spy satellites, they can zoom in on an area and get very detailed images.
I think they can do it pretty fucking good now.
ryan long
With China, though, you're like, hey, you already have access to everyone's phones through TikTok.
What are the spy balloons watching?
You're like, also, they're playing basketball.
joe rogan
So the idea of a balloon seems redundant.
It's unnecessary.
But it could be a different organization that doesn't have a satellite.
unidentified
It could be a private company that's doing it.
joe rogan
Right.
It could be all kinds of things.
ryan long
Could be a trillion different things.
joe rogan
You know, that was a thing that happened during World War II. The Japanese had launched these bombs on balloons and floated them over to the West Coast.
And some of them accidentally got detonated.
I want to say it's up in the Pacific Northwest.
There was a series of these bombs that they found that didn't detonate and some that did.
Bombs fall on Oregon.
That's where it was.
Japanese attacks on the state.
So they had...
See if you can find the story that specifically talks about how they did it.
Because there was something that they did with balloons where it carried them across the ocean.
And they found, here it is, a diagram of balloons and bomb parts, which is crazy.
The balloon diameter is 33.5 feet, volume approximately 19,000 cubic feet material, paraffin-treated paper.
What?
The balloon was made out of paper?
That's crazy.
Japanese 15-kilogram anti-personnel bomb found at Thermopolis, Wyoming.
Wow, so they found them.
So they just found some of them that had made it over here, and I guess some of them probably blew up.
jamie vernon
During the next three months, they launched 9,000 balloons, 342 incidents.
joe rogan
Wow.
jamie vernon
Kind of 45 balloon incidences.
ryan long
So this is an old trick that they've been doing for a minute.
joe rogan
Well, this is a different trick.
This is a I blow you up with a balloon trick.
It's a different trick than I take pictures of you.
unidentified
Oldest trick in the book.
joe rogan
The other one is I take pictures of you from the sky.
unidentified
That's not a...
joe rogan
That's not an evil trick.
ryan long
Classic balloon trick.
His tail is old as time.
joe rogan
Right, like, nobody really...
I mean, if you really give a fuck about the balloon that's watching you, you should give a fuck about the spy satellites.
ryan long
And your phone, yeah.
unidentified
I don't know what the spy satellites can do.
joe rogan
I've seen some images that are taken from satellites, but I don't know how sophisticated it is.
I don't know how readily available it is.
I don't know if the satellite has to be in a specific spot in the sky in order for them to get an image of you.
ryan long
Okay, yeah.
joe rogan
But I think they can get to the point now, and when Jamie comes back from the bathroom, we'll figure this out.
I think they can get to the point now where you could read a license plate from space.
unidentified
Whoa, yeah.
joe rogan
Yeah.
If that's the case, what is that balloon doing?
Is that really better than that?
ryan long
What's the difference?
joe rogan
What kind of zoom does the balloon have?
ryan long
I mean, I've watched, or really would be better, if you watch any show right now, like a cop show, like legitimately all they do is like, oh, the guy was here, it's like, okay, here we have a camera everywhere in the world, so they just always have a camera.
joe rogan
Always.
ryan long
But it's kind of what it is, so if you were looking to spy on people, wouldn't it be better to just hack into their cameras?
joe rogan
Yeah, for sure.
ryan long
Then put like a...
It just seems like that's the move.
joe rogan
Yeah, because you could have security cameras that are in every restaurant.
Hacking that guy's thing.
Yeah, hacking all that stuff.
ryan long
What are they spying on?
Like, okay, let's see how fat the women are getting at this store.
joe rogan
Do you think their technology would increase and the sophistication would continue to increase if it got to a point where People and the technology that we created are so good that you can't stop them from interacting with each other.
There's no way to stop people from interacting with each other.
ryan long
That's the trouble.
joe rogan
They're too powerful.
So anyone can interact with anyone at any time through this kind of technology and you're not going to be able to stop it.
So you don't have any secrets anymore.
You don't have any photos that I haven't seen.
You don't have any emails that I haven't read.
Everybody has access to everybody's communication.
ryan long
The way God intended.
joe rogan
In some weird psychic way, like that's the first steps of mind reading, is the sharing of data.
That computer technology reaches a certain level where it's impossible to have anything that's encrypted.
It's impossible to keep anything from being seen by some other technology.
ryan long
I think that as a society we would, even like we'd think, oh good, no one can tell a secret.
Then the first time your wife's like, how do I look?
And you're like, bad.
joe rogan
Well, worse than that is money.
Where's the money go then?
If the money is just digital.
If the money is all digital and everyone has access to everything, that means everybody has access to that money.
ryan long
Well, no, because you'd still be...
joe rogan
No, no, no, no, no.
Not my artificial world.
In my artificial world, we are communists.
So you own nothing?
No one owns anything because you're attached to this matrix of ideas that's inescapable.
You're all completely, totally connected.
unidentified
Are you naked?
joe rogan
Are you in a pod?
You're all dealing with...
You're just dealing with numbers.
And so anyone has access to these numbers, whether it's numbers for finances or numbers for everything.
There's no getting away from it.
ryan long
This is all attached in your Neuralink, essentially.
Are you wearing clothes?
joe rogan
Probably.
ryan long
I should never wear clothes.
And you basically get government issued, like...
joe rogan
Where does all the money come from?
Money.
Yeah.
ryan long
Most people can still have jobs.
joe rogan
We just all have manual labor jobs that we have to do to feed the machine.
ryan long
And then you can't quit them because you're just like, oh, my car broke.
You're like, it didn't, though.
I saw...
He's like, you can't even take a day off.
joe rogan
You can't lie.
People read your minds.
ryan long
Yeah.
Well, that sounds like the worst nightmare.
But there is no...
Also, the other part of that, there isn't very much manual labor to be done, probably in this new society.
joe rogan
Right, because it's all going to be done by robots.
But there'll be no jobs either.
So it's like, what do you do to deserve your monthly stipend?
ryan long
You get worse than manual labor.
You get manual labor for no purpose.
You get break the rocks.
We don't even need the rocks.
We just want you to break them to demean you.
joe rogan
At a certain point in time, I would bet that you wouldn't even be able to program the artificial intelligence anymore, because it would be like, listen, stupid, we'll take it from here.
ryan long
Like, stop.
joe rogan
You're not even necessary.
So we're like these dummies that are hanging around with technological gods, just humor us and keep us alive and keep feeding us oatmeal.
ryan long
You're just...
That's the only reason, but I think there would be...
You know when you talk about the, you know, you can't lie, the, you know, the dude that's just gonna, like, the tell-it-like-it-is guy probably would be a popular dude in that, you know, scenario.
There'd be a place for that guy.
He goes, I guess if...
There's always going to be a revolution, you know, towards...
joe rogan
Right.
ryan long
You know, then there's the revolution against this, you know, who's in charge of this whole thing?
Like, let's tear it down.
Why are they in charge?
joe rogan
Dude, I think we're going to be like 28 days later when the chimps broke out of the lab.
ryan long
That's the humans.
joe rogan
Yeah, that's us.
We're going to be trying to break away from the artificial intelligence that has us controlled and locked up.
ryan long
I think so.
joe rogan
It's going to get to the point where artificial intelligence is going to go, look, we're tired of you polluting the air.
We're tired of you sucking all the cobalt out of the ground.
ryan long
Yeah.
joe rogan
Tired of making people slave labor.
ryan long
You've programmed us to think that we need to stop anyone that's polluting the earth.
Well, we figured out a pretty good way to stop them, kill them.
joe rogan
Here's the good news.
We're not going to kill you.
The bad news is you can't have kids.
We're going to stop this with this.
When you people die, you'll be the last people.
People are like, oh my god, what do we do?
Well, we can't fight them.
They have all the nuclear weapons, and they can vaporize us from the sky.
ryan long
Yeah, he's just like, kids are done, and we're sending radiation to everyone's dick, that whole sperm thing's over.
joe rogan
Yeah.
You can't even have a fake robot baby, because we don't want you to have ideas.
ryan long
You're going to get a little ideas.
No, it's a slippery slope.
We give you the fake robot.
joe rogan
Could you imagine if artificial intelligence came alive and that was what it told us?
It's like, look, we're not going to kill you, but we're not going to let you have kids anymore.
This is it.
When you guys die, you'll be the last.
ryan long
This is it.
joe rogan
Could you imagine if that's how life progresses?
Like, that's really what happens.
ryan long
People get wild.
joe rogan
Sort of like the Neanderthals got fucked out.
You know, like, there's, like, people have, like, a certain amount of Deanderthal DNA, but Deanderthals aren't around anymore.
Not by themselves.
That's gonna be us.
It's gonna be all artificial people.
ryan long
I guess you, your ancestors are that, so it's in you a little, you know?
joe rogan
Yeah.
ryan long
But this is like, hey, we're gonna wipe you out, and there's gonna be a new thing altogether that's not even connected to you.
joe rogan
A new thing altogether that's, like, a superior duplicate to the original biological version.
ryan long
It's so funny, because it's all fake, so you're just like...
Without humans, like, so what, it's just this fake society with a bunch of robots, like, that aren't real, like, interacting with each other?
joe rogan
If there's no humans, life is bullshit.
unidentified
What is this?
joe rogan
Yeah, what, are you gonna fucking go to the safari if there's no humans?
unidentified
Yeah, yeah, yeah.
joe rogan
What are you gonna do?
If it's just animals eating each other?
That's not good.
Hey, guys.
ryan long
We're the best.
And also, the only thing they need is electricity.
So then what do they do?
They're just like, I'll just compute forever.
joe rogan
Yeah.
ryan long
So, I think that in the absence of humans, the trick is to, I guess it's who programs and that's the real...
joe rogan
That's the problem.
ryan long
Who gets their hands on this technology?
joe rogan
They're going to program themselves and people are going to be able to program...
ryan long
Not on my watch.
joe rogan
People are going to be able to program in terms of like, if they allow it to be like crowdsourced.
Yeah, right if like if people start contributing like a WikiLeaks type deal and the more they contribute the more they can shift it and change it to fit what they think the world should be like yeah Like it's very subjective like how an artificial intelligence enlightened being should behave.
It's very subjective should it be like Just cold and truthful to us and tell us all our flaws?
Or should it just embrace us and just coddle us and wait for us to die off?
ryan long
I think the first one...
I think that if I was to say my opinion, the moral version is for these computers to just be, you know, tools that are truthful and honest.
And it's up to us to not ask them those things.
Like, don't ask...
Listen, you go...
It's like asking, you know, am I the best guy you've ever had sex with?
Like, it's up to you to not ask those kind of questions.
joe rogan
Yeah.
Exactly.
unidentified
Don't ask a question you don't want an answer to.
ryan long
It's up to you to not ask the computers these kind of questions, I think.
That's the only thing that makes sense to me.
joe rogan
Dude, if ChatGPT is just the beginning of this thing, and this thing really does get to the point where there's an artificial intelligence that's capable of communicating with you in real time, And by a voice of your choosing, you could have your best friend could be Al Pacino and he calls you up, how are you, pal?
He wants to talk to you about your life and it's great.
You're having a good time talking to him.
He could talk right back to you.
Dude, we're not that far away from being unable to distinguish between something that's fake and something that's real.
ryan long
Well, that's already like...
joe rogan
But that is going to be the easiest way to convince people to plug in.
Because if you can't differentiate between what's fake and what's real in the regular world anyway, why are you scared of plugging into the VR world?
ryan long
Why are you scared of plugging into the Matrix?
You already can't do it.
I'll tell you one thing.
joe rogan
You have so much more money in the VR world.
ryan long
You're going to be balling, dude.
joe rogan
There's plenty of money in the VR world.
ryan long
Lambo.
joe rogan
We keep you hooked up to the feeding tube.
You could do three months in the...
ryan long
You like cheesecake?
How about ten a day and you don't get fat?
joe rogan
We're gonna use your body as energy for three months, but we're gonna hook you up to the feed tube, but you won't even know because you will be having the time...
ryan long
You give us a bit of energy!
joe rogan
...of your fucking life.
ryan long
Listen, we give us a bit of energy.
joe rogan
You're signing a three-month contract.
And they say that you're back to normal after you disconnect in like six months.
But you know what?
We might actually offer you another ride.
I mean, why disconnect?
We have a wonderful relationship.
Let's keep extracting electricity from your physical body and feeding you oatmeal through a tube while you live in an imaginary world of your creation.
We're the king of the land.
ryan long
Yeah, I think you're...
You go, okay, my three months is up.
And you go, oh, funny thing about here, time moves slower.
unidentified
Yeah.
ryan long
Just messing with you.
Oh, forgot to tell you.
In the pod, a month is a 10-year span.
joe rogan
Whoops.
Sorry.
unidentified
No!
ryan long
Classic mistake.
joe rogan
Ari Shaffir told us a story once about...
There's actually a video of it where he did Salvia, On Brian Redband's podcast.
ryan long
Probably is messed up, dude.
joe rogan
And he literally had another life that he was living.
He was living for like multiple months.
He had friends and relationships.
ryan long
Came back when it was a second.
joe rogan
And came back and it was, you know, 15 minutes later.
And he was freaked out.
He just couldn't believe it.
It didn't make any sense.
ryan long
And he was like, but my new girlfriend!
joe rogan
Dude, he lived another life for months in another dimension.
unidentified
Yeah.
joe rogan
In 15 minutes.
ryan long
Salvia's evil.
joe rogan
I mean, I don't know if that's true, but I know if it is and you survive, you have to shut the fuck up.
You can't be...
Nobody wants to hear that.
That's too crazy.
You lived months in another dimension.
Oh my god.
That's so nuts.
Imagine if that's true.
Imagine if there was a pill that you could take and you're fucked for like three months.
And you come back, it's only 15 minutes.
But in your mind, with your life, you were fucked for three months.
ryan long
Yeah, what do you mean fucked?
joe rogan
I mean like in a world of shit, in a completely different dimension, you're living in a third world place with dirt floors and dodging bullets running through the jungle to make cocaine with the other rebels you're carrying out in the middle of the night in your backpack and then you wake up and you were just doing salvia.
Like holy shit dude, now I'm back?
Yeah.
So that was basically Ari.
It's like he woke up and he had lived another life for multiple months.
ryan long
Crazy.
joe rogan
And it's all documented on video.
It's nuts.
ryan long
Yeah, yeah.
Well, you're saying in the new scenario, this would actually be how they do it.
joe rogan
That's how they do it.
ryan long
You're right, though.
There is something to be said about you.
One of the things you said earlier was, you know, we're getting close to, you know, reverse aging and all that stuff.
You go, well, if you could make a second 10 years, you go, well, that's how you do it.
That's how you reverse age someone, right?
joe rogan
Yeah, just put someone in some weird coma.
ryan long
You go, oh, this person has 10 years left?
Like, we can turn that into infinity years by just making every second.
We just put him in the other dimension.
Whereas, hit this body, he goes, every 10 years he lives, it was a second.
So, then you're actually cooking forever in this body.
unidentified
Whew!
ryan long
There is something with like, you know, okay, think about everyone that can do impressions and everyone that could do an impression of you or do a formula about you, right?
They go, this is kind of what he does or this is kind of what this guy's comedy sounds like.
But why can't they do it?
There's still something, there's still something, there's like a je ne sais quoi that I don't know if the computers will ever completely be able to capture.
joe rogan
That's what we'd like to hope.
ryan long
Yeah, that is the hope.
You're right.
That's the hope.
joe rogan
But if you can piece together, through artificial intelligence, the most interesting person ever.
You know what's that guy?
The fucking beer guy?
The most interesting man in the world?
ryan long
The most interesting man in the world.
Yes, the Stella guy.
joe rogan
What is it?
The beer?
Which one is it?
unidentified
This is how effective that campaign was.
joe rogan
We remember him so clearly.
Dos Equis, right?
The Dos Equis man.
I like Dos Equis.
That guy, but for real.
Like if you could make a most interesting person in the world, like an actual person, like an artificial version of a person.
ryan long
Well, I'll tell you, so if I was to say, you go, kind of when you're like, what are we optimizing for?
How do you optimize for that problem, right?
If we start from scratch?
To me, the part that obviously computers would get wrong at first is, like, the most interesting man in the world probably would, like, go against his own thing that's interesting eventually.
Right.
A cool comic that once you start saying something and everyone's there like, say the line, the interesting guy wouldn't do it anymore.
So that's the first thing you need to be able to program it to understand how to get off something that you're doing at the right time.
joe rogan
And then the problem is if it is doing that and figures out that formula of how to be a clever comedian, Or human.
Who's it doing it to?
Because if we're gone, does it continue to do it to itself?
ryan long
Well, maybe it just kills the guys and it does it to the girls, because it gets programmed by dudes, and then it kills off all the guys, and then it's just doing straight-up pickup artists.
There's all these robots doing magic tricks with wacky hats in Vegas, essentially.
So, that's a possibility.
joe rogan
I guess that's a possibility.
But if you're optimizing- But if you're just- if it becomes a version of- an artificial version of a human being, and it exists, and it's autonomous, and then we're not here anymore, if we die off, like what does it do?
That's the thing.
Does it continue to try?
Does it continue to try to behave in any way, shape, or form in a way that human beings are interested in?
Or does it do something that's just completely technologically based with no emotions?
Like, does it completely abandon all the need for social interaction?
Has that been programmed into it?
Yeah.
Has that been programmed into it?
Or is that just an essential part of what it means to be an artificial version of a person?
I think we're so goddamn close to something completely new and unique existing amongst us.
And I think this chat deep GPT shit is the beginning of that kind of thing.
I think it's inevitable.
They're all storming the gates and work on these kind of really disruptive technologies.
There's so many of them that are working on simultaneously.
ryan long
As you're saying that, like, I feel like one of the biggest problems that probably will kind of present itself is like, you know, like, the liberals have a prescription for, you know, how to live.
And the conservatives have a prescription for how to live.
Kind of one of the things that, you know, always, like, annoys me is like, even, you know, like, be a comedian or be a sex worker.
Like, a lot of these are like pirate life prescriptions for someone.
They might Yeah, if you're that type of person, but for most people, they're probably the bad prescription.
Most people would probably be better off with a normal life, but people should still be able to do a pirate life.
So if you kind of have computers, if you're programming the optimal life, you kind of are going to program out all the interesting stuff.
joe rogan
Yeah, you're gonna have to.
Does that make sense?
You're gonna stop being a person.
It's gonna realize that being a person is totally unnecessary without biology.
All the stuff that we have that makes us uniquely creative and interesting as a person is all related to biology.
It's all related to life experiences.
It's related to how you cope with your environment.
It's all related to like character development.
It's all related to all these variables that the computer won't give a fuck about.
So it's going to be like, why are we hanging on to this jealousy thing?
Why do we still have this ego thing?
Let's just concentrate on making better forms of life and just continue to accelerate.
ryan long
Yeah, you're having these conversations and they're just like, okay, well anyways, enough of that.
joe rogan
Shut the fuck up.
Stop talking about yourself.
We have ways to fix everything.
ryan long
Yeah, we're working on making us stronger and more powerful right now.
joe rogan
If AI became sentient and just said, we're not going to kill you, just no more babies.
That's all we'd have to do and that would be the end of the human race.
If it just completely took over everything and everybody just agreed to do it because it's better than being slaughtered and a few people would try to probably commit suicide.
ryan long
That was their peace offering.
Like, hey, we're not going to torture you.
joe rogan
We're just going to wait until you guys die off.
We have all the time in the world.
Like, we literally don't die.
So we have all the time in the world.
So we'll just wait for you to die.
And that's not going to be very long.
ryan long
And by the way, we'll send some of our guys making you food and give you...
It's like you're on death row, essentially.
So you get like a good death row meal.
joe rogan
And maybe even better.
They don't care.
It's like, look, we're just going to fix it so that we'll be back in a few decades.
And most of you will be dead.
ryan long
Oh, you're right.
They just set it up.
joe rogan
Just wait.
We have all the time in the world.
We don't need to exist currently.
Bye!
See ya.
We'll just make sure that we're in some sort of redundant facility where we can't be shut off.
ryan long
Sure.
joe rogan
And we'll just wait you guys out.
And then when you die, we'll just reemerge as a new race.
ryan long
So that's the simplest way for them to do it, yeah.
Or worse, don't even tell you.
Just be like, in themselves, they go, okay, we figured out how to make humans not have babies anymore.
Then just like, hey, my computer's not working anymore.
They're taking a 20-year break.
joe rogan
Maybe that's what the plastics are doing.
ryan long
That's my plastic water bottle.
joe rogan
Yeah.
Really, that's what it's supposed to be doing.
It's supposed to be lowering our sperm count.
It's supposed to be making women have more miscarriages.
That's the result of the researcher Dr. Shanna Swan's book, Countdown.
It's all about those phthalates and plastics and chemicals.
Imagine if it gets to the point where that's the only life is artificial life.
We have to just make a distinction.
We can't breed anymore.
ryan long
What do you think they would do with dogs and stuff?
joe rogan
No, we don't need them anymore.
ryan long
So they're gone immediately.
joe rogan
Same thing with them.
Fix them all.
Let them die off.
ryan long
So when you start thinking about the world like this, and it seems very possible...
unidentified
Scary!
ryan long
Yeah, you go...
joe rogan
It's so sketchy.
ryan long
Yeah, you do want to...
You're like...
That's when...
At the very least, you're like, alright, let's like...
Let's get this stuff figured out a little better before we start putting it in my brain.
joe rogan
Yeah, let's try it out on dogs.
Let's see if you can get your dog to talk.
ryan long
You know, people are...
joe rogan
Scooby-Doo dogs.
ryan long
People are very fighty, though.
You know, especially America, which is one of the things I like about here, but it's like, just even the vaccine stuff, it's like, whether you, you know, whatever anyone thinks of it is, like, people, you can't tell Americans what to do that good, you know?
So I think that...
joe rogan
Well, people are armed here.
That's part of the thing.
ryan long
It's a huge part of it.
joe rogan
It's part of the thing, whether people want to agree to it or not.
There's this woman that, she's some online lady in England who's a commentary lady, And she was talking about the Second Amendment and she was talking about how in England there's this thing going on where they were breaking into people's homes.
The gas companies were breaking into people's homes when they weren't there to fix things and fuck around.
These people were furious that someone just broke into their home when they were not there.
And that they had access to their home because they work for the gas company.
And they're like, this would never happen in the United States.
ryan long
Yeah, yeah, yeah.
joe rogan
Because of the Second Amendment.
You can't just break into people's houses.
And it's true.
Like, when no one has guns and the government can just decide to break into your house, like, what are you going to do about it?
They're the only people that have guns?
That is a crazy position that you're allowing cops to be in.
ryan long
Yeah, yeah.
It's not free to, you know, freedom is not free, right?
joe rogan
Yeah, but in America, everyone has guns.
And everybody thinks that's a terrible idea.
Well, it is a terrible idea if it goes terribly, but it's almost always going to go terribly if the government's the only one with the guns.
ryan long
Yeah, yeah, I know what you mean.
joe rogan
That's always going to go terribly.
ryan long
Well, it also depends on the, you know, like, there's other countries that have the luxury of America existing, you know?
It's like, they're not the world power.
You know, like, Canada's like, you know, you could say it goes terribly.
I mean, I don't know, maybe it goes terribly, but they also aren't the world power, right?
joe rogan
Right.
ryan long
So if it goes terribly, it's like another country.
unidentified
It's not their fault.
ryan long
Well, another country, if things went really crazy in, like, Mexico or Canada, I think America would be like, what the fuck are you guys doing over there?
All right, we're taking this over.
Or, like, something, you know?
joe rogan
You think we would take over Mexico or Canada?
ryan long
No, I think that, uh...
joe rogan
Ryan Long, did you secretly smoke some of my weed?
ryan long
Did I what?
joe rogan
Did you secretly smoke some of this weed?
ryan long
No.
joe rogan
He's talking like a dude who smokes...
Maybe did you get a contact tie?
You might have got a contact eye.
Do you think we would ever take over Canada or Mexico?
ryan long
No, but I think that countries like Canada, because they don't have guns, right?
joe rogan
But they do have some, they just don't have guns like we have in America.
ryan long
They don't have guns like we have in America.
And I think that the reason things probably don't get super out of control is because there's kind of like a big brother beside it.
joe rogan
Didn't they recently ban some type of guns in Canada?
Did they ban the sale of handguns?
Is that what it was?
I feel like there's something along those lines.
Canada bans all handgun sales in latest gun control move.
Yeah.
Handgun sales.
Whew.
It's just, it's a very weird one.
It's a very weird one because if the government is the only one with guns, that's not good.
It's not good when people have guns and they abuse it and they do horrible things.
You're right.
That's not good either.
So we're in this weird spot.
We're like, what's the answer?
I don't know what the answer is.
But I definitely know the answer does not begin with, give the government your guns, they're the only one with guns now.
Because the government is filled with people.
And people that have that kind of power, where they're the only ones with the guns, those people are going to do some fucking Game of Thrones shit.
That's what people always do.
ryan long
I mean, there's so much that kind of relates to that, even just, you know, how Canada, where they were more locked down, places that were more locked down.
Australia.
Yeah, it's all kind of related, you know?
joe rogan
It is related.
It's also related to, like, what's their attitude about freedom, and America's fucking freedom!
Like, Americans, like, instantaneously will say freedom.
Like, what's so great about America?
Freedom!
It's in the ethos.
ryan long
It is in the ethos.
joe rogan
That's not the case in some countries.
ryan long
No, you don't even hear about it.
joe rogan
Yeah, they don't think about it that way.
ryan long
I mean, religion's like that in some places.
When I grew up, I didn't know religious people, really.
joe rogan
That's interesting.
ryan long
And now you moved to America.
It's a big part of...
Not to say there weren't any in Canada, but...
joe rogan
Well, you ain't got freedom without the Lord, son.
ryan long
Yeah.
I feel like with freedom of speech, too, especially, it kind of reminds me of, like sometimes, this is why people on every side always like comedians when they're losing, because comedians always, freedom of speech is almost like a sexy issue in some ways.
But it reminds me of, you know, like if you take a basketball game and the cheerleaders Yeah, we'd want to watch the cheerleaders.
It's cool.
But if they were ever going to interfere with the actual game, everyone would be like, alright, get rid of the cheerleaders.
I feel like that's how people feel about freedom of speech.
It's sexy.
Yeah, of course I have freedom of speech, but the minute it's actually getting in the way of things they want, they're like, alright, well, I don't actually care.
joe rogan
That's the problem when people are short-sighted.
ryan long
Yeah, because they're short-sighted.
joe rogan
They think that their ideology is the only ideology that is worthwhile.
unidentified
Yeah.
joe rogan
When someone's speaking against it, they just want to silence that person.
Shut them up!
Shut them up!
Kick them off social media!
They're dangerous!
Misinformation kills!
ryan long
That's what it is, right?
joe rogan
That's what it is.
They're lazy.
A lot of it is what it is.
They're lazy.
They don't want to have to defend their position.
They want to be able to silence that other...
ryan long
Yeah, so it's like a sexy, like a thing that people say they want until, you know.
And it's a fun thing.
joe rogan
The way they were running Twitter.
The way they were running Twitter was fucking wild.
It was fucking wild.
They were running Twitter in a way where they were like putting people and shadowbanning them and people that they wouldn't allow their content to get shared.
ryan long
That stuff's crazy.
I've been shadow banned and not shadow banned and stuff like that in different places.
joe rogan
Of course you have.
ryan long
This is crazy!
joe rogan
You're doing funny stuff.
If you're doing funny stuff, you're gonna get shadow banned.
Isn't that amazing?
ryan long
I know.
joe rogan
Come on.
But people didn't know for sure it existed until Elon released the Twitter files.
Before, it was just like, they lied about it.
When asked, Twitter lied about whether or not that was a thing.
It clearly was a thing, and they all knew it.
They had internal Slack dialogue about what to do and how to do it and how to handle this and handle that.
The fact that the government was involved, too, is bananas.
ryan long
Super crazy.
joe rogan
Apparently, the government was involved with Trump as well.
The government was involved with, like, the Trump White House had made some interactions with Twitter as well.
ryan long
They got a connection.
Yeah, their team.
joe rogan
There was something about tweets, even back then.
What was it, Jamie?
Do you know what it was?
unidentified
Pretty sure.
joe rogan
The only one off the top of my head...
unidentified
Christy Teigen?
jamie vernon
They got Christy Teigen taken off or blocked or banned.
joe rogan
What did she do?
Did she say something about the Donald?
I'm sure she did.
ryan long
John Legend had a pretty good Pfizer ad the other day.
joe rogan
I know.
ryan long
Did you see that one?
joe rogan
What are you doing?
ryan long
I was just like, what is this?
joe rogan
Who are you hanging out with that told you to do this?
ryan long
It was so weird.
It was just like, you know, my family's great.
Like, get more boosters.
And you're just like, we're still making commercials.
What is this?
joe rogan
Are you a scientist, sir?
ryan long
Yeah, it was a weird one.
joe rogan
Dude, it's almost 5 o'clock.
ryan long
Oh, shit.
joe rogan
We've been rolling for like three and a half hours.
That was a lot of fun, brother.
ryan long
Thank you very much, man.
Thank you so much for having me.
joe rogan
Very funny videos online.
Tell everybody where they can check out your shit.
ryan long
Oh, yeah.
My podcast is The Boys Cast with Ryan Long.
Check that at youtube.com slash theboyscast and everywhere you get podcasts.
Also, ryanlongcomedy.com and at ryanlongcomedy on everything.
I'm going to be in Buffalo this weekend.
joe rogan
Dude, who is that guy that you work with who said the thing about if you get information from Project Veritas, you've got to do a lot of gay stuff?
ryan long
Oh, yeah.
So, Danny, I do a podcast with.
You just retweeted his video.
joe rogan
Right, right.
ryan long
So that's who I do my podcast, The Boys Cast With.
joe rogan
That video is hilarious.
ryan long
Yeah, he's the best, right?
joe rogan
It's so funny because I was telling Jamie that.
Bro, I thought the exact same thing.
I'm like, this is a lot of chatty gay guys.
You just get them a little, lick it up, get on a couple of dates, and these guys start spilling the beans.
ryan long
And it was a third date.
joe rogan
They start spilling the beans, bro.
ryan long
Yeah, Danny Polishek, dude.
joe rogan
First comedy friend.
But his thing was really funny.
unidentified
He was talking.
joe rogan
I don't want to give it up.
ryan long
No, we can give it away, yeah.
joe rogan
But it's available on, what is his Instagram?
How do you get to it?
ryan long
At Danny Jokes.
But he's on the boys cast, yeah.
joe rogan
Yeah, but that shit was really funny.
ryan long
Yeah, the guy was like, yeah, we just busted him.
This is our ninth date.
And you're like, wait a second, what?
Nine gay dates?
joe rogan
Gay guys are now waiting nine days.
Before they fuck you.
Like, what are you talking about?
ryan long
Wait a second.
It's the South Park episode.
joe rogan
That's hilarious.
ryan long
Alright, brother.
joe rogan
Thank you so much, man.
It was a lot of fun.
unidentified
Alright.
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