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Jan. 14, 2023 - The Joe Rogan Experience
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Joe Rogan Experience #1926 - Matt McCusker & Shane Gillis
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joe rogan
01:30:05
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matt mccusker
41:44
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shane gillis
48:05
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jamie vernon
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unidentified
Joe Rogan Podcast, check it out!
The Joe Rogan Experience.
Train by day, Joe Rogan Podcast by night, all day.
joe rogan
And we're up.
shane gillis
Yes.
joe rogan
What's up, boys?
unidentified
What's happening?
matt mccusker
What's going on?
unidentified
Not much.
joe rogan
Welcome aboard.
matt mccusker
I'm all strapped in.
joe rogan
You got your paper in front of you.
You're ready to go.
matt mccusker
Yeah, this was just here.
shane gillis
Just hit the blunt.
You're ready to fucking take some notes, dude.
matt mccusker
Exactly.
joe rogan
You seem like a guy ready to take notes.
matt mccusker
That's pretty accurate.
shane gillis
Hold you out some notes.
matt mccusker
Counterpoints?
Actually.
shane gillis
You'll see some notes.
joe rogan
You guys started out together?
shane gillis
Yeah.
joe rogan
Nice.
shane gillis
Lived together.
unidentified
Nice.
shane gillis
Lived together.
I was his best man at his wedding.
joe rogan
Oh, shit.
shane gillis
He's my guy.
matt mccusker
Gave a speech.
shane gillis
Wow.
unidentified
Gave a speech.
matt mccusker
His speech was nice.
shane gillis
Was it good?
I was fucked up.
matt mccusker
Unbelievable.
joe rogan
Were you?
matt mccusker
Unbelievable.
shane gillis
I was like...
joe rogan
Bud lights?
shane gillis
Yeah.
joe rogan
How many?
shane gillis
I have no idea.
matt mccusker
A wedding?
shane gillis
Dude, you think it protects our parks or something?
unidentified
Yeah.
matt mccusker
It came in abstract.
shane gillis
A wedding?
I like wet my pants.
unidentified
Dude.
shane gillis
I was like, oh shit, I gotta give a speech.
I was like, I'll be alright.
I'm used to giving speeches.
I got up there, I was like, uh, Matt's wife, you're crazy.
Matt, you're fucking nuts.
This thing might be crazy enough to work, folks.
That was it.
That was the whole speech.
joe rogan
This thing might be crazy enough to work.
Isn't it wild that so many people get married, but half of them fail?
unidentified
Yeah.
joe rogan
You would think that more people would be like, whoa, whoa, whoa.
matt mccusker
I'm the voice.
This is my second time around.
shane gillis
Really?
matt mccusker
I got married relatively young, though.
joe rogan
But I think then it's like a practice run.
Like, you learn, like, oh, I can fix this.
Let me try this again.
matt mccusker
Yeah.
I mean, girlfriends, that was just like, that was like free play mode.
That didn't even count.
Getting married is fucked up.
I got married the first time because I was like, yeah, I'll get married, I guess.
That was all I thought.
I was like, cool.
joe rogan
When you got divorced, was it a pain in the ass?
Like, was it a big one?
matt mccusker
I mean, yeah.
joe rogan
Or was it fairly...
matt mccusker
I mean, it wasn't like, you know, we didn't have kids, so it wasn't like, you know...
joe rogan
But did you have to go through financial bullshit?
matt mccusker
No, I didn't have any money.
joe rogan
That's good.
matt mccusker
I had absolutely nothing.
joe rogan
Watching people get drained, watching rich dudes get drained, and you see them going from not having to worry about anything to like, oh shit, how am I going to cover my bills?
unidentified
Yeah.
joe rogan
I've seen that multiple times, man.
unidentified
I've seen guys get hurt in divorces.
joe rogan
Just like Leon Edwards in the head.
shane gillis
Just slap.
joe rogan
Just get stiffened up.
matt mccusker
It's a miserable endeavor.
It sucks.
Even if you're not losing money, it's pretty shitty.
unidentified
That's when we met.
shane gillis
That's when me and Matt met.
I was like, we started hanging out, and then he started getting a divorce, and I was right there for it.
It was nice.
unidentified
I moved.
matt mccusker
From a marriage into a house of, like, five comedians.
Nice.
On an air mattress.
joe rogan
Nice.
matt mccusker
Did two years on an air mattress.
joe rogan
That's nice.
matt mccusker
My air mattress would deflate and I'd take it back to Walmart in the box, return it, get a new one.
joe rogan
Bro, if my wife ever leaves me, I'm buying a ranch and I'm inviting everybody to live there.
matt mccusker
Usually women...
joe rogan
I'm just going to build you some houses.
matt mccusker
Women do initiate.
joe rogan
I'm going to buy a giant chunk of land and I'll build everybody a house.
Let's go.
shane gillis
It'd be like Stan Hope's, though.
There'd be a fire eventually.
joe rogan
Yeah, eventually.
Yeah, Stan Hope's roof, his ceiling caught on fire.
shane gillis
It was in his attic.
joe rogan
What was going on up there?
shane gillis
It was in his attic.
It was an electrical fire.
joe rogan
Oh, yeah.
This shit happened.
shane gillis
And he has this metal roof, so the roof didn't catch fire.
joe rogan
Oh, no.
shane gillis
Just the house.
So shit just burned.
joe rogan
Is it fixed?
unidentified
Or is it fucked for a while?
shane gillis
I doubt it.
I think he's fucked for a couple months.
joe rogan
Is he still living there?
shane gillis
No.
joe rogan
I could see him living there with the big hole in the ceiling.
shane gillis
It would mean nothing to him.
joe rogan
Fucking viewed in the sky.
It hardly rains out there anyway.
shane gillis
Yeah, but it gets cold at night.
joe rogan
It doesn't get cold.
Isn't it wild?
It's like near Mexico, but it gets cold as fuck.
The desert's weird.
matt mccusker
Yeah, I've never been.
I want to go.
joe rogan
Well, why does it get so cold?
Does it not retain heat?
matt mccusker
The sand.
It's probably the sand.
joe rogan
Is that what it is?
unidentified
I don't know.
matt mccusker
I'm guessing, but I feel like the sand is just fucking...
shane gillis
Sand, yeah.
matt mccusker
Doesn't do shit.
joe rogan
Didn't Francis Ngano have a very similar story about crossing the Sahara?
When he crossed the Sahara, didn't he say it was like really fucking cold at night?
matt mccusker
Yeah, it's freezing.
joe rogan
I don't get it.
It's like sand doesn't retain heat?
Is that what it does?
It doesn't hold the heat?
matt mccusker
Water just passes through.
It's fucking bullshit, actually.
joe rogan
Bullshit.
matt mccusker
It doesn't do a goddamn thing.
You know what's hot as fuck and cold as fuck?
joe rogan
What's that?
jamie vernon
Lack of humidity.
joe rogan
Lack of humidity.
Ah, that makes sense.
You know, the Sahara Desert used to be a fucking rainforest.
matt mccusker
Really?
joe rogan
Yeah, that's like the normal path of things.
We just, we look at stuff through such a narrow window that we think, oh the desert's the desert, the jungle's the jungle.
But there's a natural path that goes back and forth between things becoming like rainforest and jungle and then things becoming sand.
matt mccusker
We're talking about the ice caps too, how apparently that was lush.
Someone told me that used to be lush forest that became, we're in an ice age right now technically, is that correct?
joe rogan
I don't think so.
matt mccusker
I heard if we have polar ice caps, that's technically an ice age.
But I could be wrong.
My cousin told me that.
joe rogan
Oh, your cousin might be on Reddit.
unidentified
My cousin was reassuring me.
matt mccusker
He's like, dude, the ice caps will fully melt and it'll just be lush and we'll all move up there, you know, hundreds of years.
joe rogan
Well, if global warming does keep accelerating, the people that have the most optimistic view of it, they say all the places that are wicked cold will just move into those.
shane gillis
I was listening to that.
That guy, he was talking about the Midwest, like Minnesota and shit, like Canada.
joe rogan
Yeah, it's going to get a lot warmer.
matt mccusker
I'm gonna re-cross the Bering Strait.
shane gillis
You gotta get back.
joe rogan
I think it's the opposite, though.
It's gonna get more water.
You're looking at it wrong.
matt mccusker
So I get my timeline.
joe rogan
If an ice age happens, then you can make that walk.
matt mccusker
I need that.
shane gillis
That was my favorite Jones.
He was like, fuck Global War and the ice caps are growing.
And everyone was like, shut the fuck up.
And then one quick Google, you're like, goddammit, he's right.
matt mccusker
They're growing?
shane gillis
Antarctica is.
matt mccusker
So Leonardo DiCaprio is wrong?
shane gillis
Leonardo DiCaprio can get fucked.
matt mccusker
He talked to the scientists.
joe rogan
All these fucking scientists, even the scientists don't agree.
There's a mass group of scientists that will tell you, and this is undeniable, that human beings have had a big impact on carbon emissions.
But you know that volcano that just erupted?
Where'd that volcano just erupt?
There was one that just cracked.
shane gillis
Oh, recently?
joe rogan
Some guy put this, I would like to find out if this is true, some guy put this on Twitter, that there was more CO2 released from that one volcano erupting than everything human beings have ever done.
matt mccusker
Really?
joe rogan
I don't know if it's true.
Sounds amazing, though.
shane gillis
I like it.
matt mccusker
I've heard math in the parts per million.
joe rogan
Shut down some cucks with that kind of talk.
shane gillis
Yeah, I like it.
I'll be at the cellar trying to dish that out.
They'll be like, where did you find that?
I'll be like, don't worry about it.
joe rogan
See, people worry about all kinds of things, but supervolcano is what you really should worry about.
They've knocked humanity down to just a few thousand people in the past.
matt mccusker
Really?
joe rogan
Yeah, 70,000 years ago.
We've talked about it before.
I think it's called the Toba.
Is that what it is?
The Toba Volcano?
It's a supervolcano.
I think it's near Indonesia.
Fact checked, volcanoes do not produce more CO2 emissions than human activity.
shane gillis
Reuters is on your ass, dude.
joe rogan
Yeah.
matt mccusker
They probably typed that up in real time.
joe rogan
So this was June 8th of 2022. So this was one they were talking...
God, I wish I saved it.
It was one of those things I was looking on Twitter.
I'm like, wow, better Google that later.
That one little burp by Mount Etten has already put more than 10 times the CO2 in the atmosphere than mankind has in our entire time on Earth.
Don't worry about a scam is in the works to tax your minuscule footprint.
Oh, this is a meme that someone put out?
shane gillis
Yeah.
joe rogan
I didn't see a meme.
I saw someone's tweet.
They might have stole the meme and tried to be clever.
Or the meme might have come from this guy's tweet as well.
Same allegation has been shared here in 2016. An iteration posted on Twitter June 2nd has retweeted nearly 9,000 times.
Yeah, it might all be horseshit.
matt mccusker
Yeah, I mean, but my thing is...
joe rogan
That's a lot, though.
shane gillis
That looks like a lot of stuff.
matt mccusker
That looks like a lot of stuff.
It's a big-ass cloud.
I'd say that's 40% CO2 if I had to put my eye on it.
shane gillis
Yeah, if I had to just one glance at it.
matt mccusker
Well, it's just funny to be like, nah, the Earth's not warming up.
Does anyone know the temperature of the entire Earth?
joe rogan
Both people are silly.
The people with limited research that say it's nothing to worry about and the people with limited research that say we're all going to die.
Both people are silly.
The ones that make the most sense to me...
I had a guy named Steve Coonan on the podcast.
He's a physicist who got into...
That's what he is, right?
Coonan?
unidentified
Yes, I think so.
joe rogan
And I forget how he was tasked with going about looking into climate change, but what he found was that The periods of ups and downs have always existed.
Like this idea that the Earth has ever been at a stable temperature that stays like this, that's just not the case.
It goes up and it goes down and it seems like it's always done that forever and it varies wildly.
Like they have these big giant spikes up and down.
But this is over thousands and thousands of years, right?
Maybe millions of years where they're predicting like how long.
But for sure we're having an impact.
But the question's like, how much impact?
What is the difference?
And would it be happening anyway?
Would it be warming up anyway?
If we didn't do anything to fuck up the environment, then we could look at the environment for what it is.
We could say, oh, look, it looks like it's warming up.
Well, we know we're not doing anything about that.
If we had no impact, but we know we have an impact.
matt mccusker
Yeah, but the thing no one thinks about is we were, like, we escaped from nature in, like, a blind rush out of just being constantly destroyed by, like, floods and eaten by predators, and we set up this whole system so we can, like, eat and not all die.
joe rogan
Yeah.
matt mccusker
Everyone's like, fuck this, and it's like, I mean, we can definitely tweak it to be better, but Jesus Christ, man.
unidentified
Yeah.
matt mccusker
A little bit of appreciation.
joe rogan
A little bit of appreciation of what we've done.
It's amazing what people have done, but yeah, for sure, we could do a lot of the shit better.
matt mccusker
Do, like, plastic bags?
They could figure out different technology for something that doesn't sit in the ocean for, you know.
joe rogan
Well, they can make biodegradable plastic now.
matt mccusker
Why don't?
That's my thing.
joe rogan
Why don't they?
Plastics as they are now, I think most of them are just made with fossil fuels, right?
matt mccusker
Yeah.
joe rogan
Most plastics.
But I know they're putting out biodegradable plastics that are made from plant.
You can actually make plastic from hemp, believe it or not.
matt mccusker
Really?
joe rogan
Yeah, it was wild.
I read that.
I was like, what?
shane gillis
I don't like it.
I gotta bring my own bags to my grocery store, and I forget them every time.
So then I buy one.
I've got piles of bags in my apartment.
matt mccusker
Get a stick with a bandana.
unidentified
I might, dude.
shane gillis
Get some beans, dude.
joe rogan
It is a good move that they don't just give away bags anymore.
Even though it's real convenient, it's probably better if you bring a bag.
It is.
shane gillis
But who's going to remember that?
joe rogan
Nobody.
shane gillis
I walk outside my front door and go, fuck, I forgot a bag.
joe rogan
But isn't that a thing that we can adjust to?
shane gillis
We'll adjust to it, yeah.
joe rogan
It depends on if you're a walking apartment person versus someone who drives.
If you're driving to the supermarket, it makes sense to just leave a bag in your trunk.
But if you're a walking person in an apartment...
And you're in the city, and you forget a bag, that's annoying.
matt mccusker
Well, just do paper bags and burn them.
joe rogan
Yeah, but then you kill the trees.
shane gillis
What about the emissions?
joe rogan
What about the emissions, bro?
matt mccusker
It goes up in the air.
unidentified
Oh, it goes away?
shane gillis
It goes straight through.
It's space.
joe rogan
It goes out in space.
shane gillis
I don't know what these fucking pussies are talking about, dude.
Global warming is fucking not real.
unidentified
I'm sick of it.
joe rogan
I had Randall Carlson on my podcast.
He's an expert in collisions, like cosmic collisions on Earth.
And he said, he goes, global warming is not good.
He goes, but what's really bad is global cooling.
He goes, global cooling is terrifying.
Ice ages, that's where everybody dies.
That's where there's no food.
That's where you're fucking starving to death.
matt mccusker
Dude, how do we make it?
How do we make it through the Ice Age?
shane gillis
How do we?
joe rogan
Well, you have to move.
You moved.
Or the hardiest of hardy people, they hunted and gathered, like the Inuit.
They basically can't grow any vegetables.
shane gillis
What a fucking bullshit life.
joe rogan
What a scary life, dude.
shane gillis
In a fucking ice cave.
joe rogan
You're living in an ice house covered in animal skins.
shane gillis
Hopefully you stab something in the next month.
joe rogan
And you're just looking for fat.
You're just looking for blubber to eat.
unidentified
Yeah.
joe rogan
Because that's what your body uses for fuel.
matt mccusker
Imagine how much you could just, like, slide on ISO. Like, you're walking.
unidentified
Probably a lot of sliding.
matt mccusker
That's probably good at it.
unidentified
You're fucking in there.
matt mccusker
You're probably nasty, dude.
shane gillis
You're fucking in there?
joe rogan
Oh, they're probably...
shane gillis
God, the layers get in there together.
joe rogan
Imagine fucking an ice house that you made with a fire in the center of it on animal skins of animals you killed, knowing that there's no doctors anywhere.
So if your woman gets pregnant, you're pulling it out of there in the middle of the tundra with polar bears around your ice house.
matt mccusker
Yeah, it's fucking crazy.
shane gillis
Yeah, but they had no concept of doctors.
joe rogan
They had no concept of any other life.
shane gillis
I mean, of course there were people that figured shit out.
matt mccusker
Yeah.
shane gillis
But I'm saying, like, he wasn't like, fuck, I wish I had a doctor.
joe rogan
Dude, if you grow up like that, that's how you live.
And people are adaptable as shit.
I had this dude on, Sonny, from Best Ever Food Review yesterday, and he went and lived with these tribal people and hunted with them and ate what they ate.
He reviews, like, exotic foods from all over the world.
And he's with these tribal people slurping blood out of the carcass of a goat that they just shot.
They're slurping it up with their hands.
And you can tell he's barely getting through it on camera.
But that's their normal life.
For them, it wasn't gross at all.
It was totally normal.
This is how you get food.
You don't let the blood go to waste.
You slurp it out of the body cavity.
unidentified
Damn!
joe rogan
The endothal's healthcare skills helped them survive through the Ice Age.
What?
matt mccusker
Damn, dude.
joe rogan
Is that a trap?
jamie vernon
No, they said they found people with broken bones.
They're not sure exactly how it did it, but since they were in such small tribes, if they lost someone, it would have been catastrophic to the group.
So they all had to work to keep everybody alive closer, too.
matt mccusker
Dude.
joe rogan
Yeah, I mean, they probably eventually figured out how to set an arm, right?
And put a stick there and tie it down.
shane gillis
You know?
Just sitting in a fucking igloo.
joe rogan
Yeah.
Bro, they don't always grow back good.
You know, there's a lot of, like, uh...
shane gillis
Man, you got some mangled arms, dude.
joe rogan
Yeah.
Well, there's a lot of, like, bones they found of people.
Like, that's a hard life.
shane gillis
Oh, they're monsters like tigers?
joe rogan
Oh, jeez.
You're getting shit bit off all the time.
matt mccusker
I'm thinking more about your cave wife.
joe rogan
Yeah, what kind of wife do you have?
matt mccusker
Before, like, women had words, and then you'd get home, and they'd just be like...
shane gillis
No words, just...
matt mccusker
No, just no words.
shane gillis
And you gotta be like...
unidentified
I bet they were horny all the time.
joe rogan
I bet all they did was just fuck.
Just fucking throw spears and go gather food.
shane gillis
Yeah, the more we're talking about it, the more I'm coming around on this, how sick that shit would have been.
joe rogan
They must be so primal.
Those people.
shane gillis
You don't know where the fuck you are.
joe rogan
Like the earliest, early people.
You're just gonna die.
People from like 300,000 years ago, whatever a person was back then, they must be so horny.
matt mccusker
Yeah, well that's why they had all this- Harry and shit.
shane gillis
Just- Yeah.
joe rogan
Looking to fuck and throw spears and- Smelling each other.
Fighting off animals.
matt mccusker
Well, that's why they had all those fucked up rituals because they in their world nature like violence They just like put on a pedestal was that was like the coolest thing That was like the ultimate life force back then just getting squashed by like animals and rocks So they would reenact it all the time Could you imagine if you can go back and get like one of them Neanderthal dudes and like enter into a wrestling tournament?
joe rogan
I'll just teach him a few moves.
shane gillis
He'd bite right away.
unidentified
He'd bite.
He'd bite.
shane gillis
First guy to grab.
unidentified
He was a beast.
joe rogan
A Neanderthal is probably so much stronger than people.
Their bones are different.
They're built different.
They're like 5'7", 200 plus pounds.
They're built like chimps.
Like big, powerful chimps.
shane gillis
You'd have to put them down, dude.
You can't have them out here.
joe rogan
Do you think that they fucked us or we fucked them?
matt mccusker
We seduce them.
I think we seduce them, for sure.
Imagine me laying in wait, dude.
shane gillis
One of those guys came by.
joe rogan
Plus, back then, having a powerful woman would be very attractive, because then you'd have kids that could survive.
matt mccusker
Yeah.
joe rogan
Your gene pool, your gene line would keep going on.
matt mccusker
Going for China.
You want one night in China.
shane gillis
You want China the wrestler.
joe rogan
You want a bulky-ass bitch, dude.
matt mccusker
She was probably the hottest dude.
joe rogan
I did Fear Factor with Chyna and after she completed one of the stunts, she got out and like full flexed and goes, who's the man?
She said, who's the man?
shane gillis
Yeah.
joe rogan
I guess it's just what you say.
matt mccusker
Yeah.
shane gillis
She had a wild voice.
joe rogan
Big lady.
shane gillis
She did.
matt mccusker
How tall was she?
shane gillis
I don't know.
But when women take steroids like that, they develop a male midget's voice.
matt mccusker
She's like, is it me?
Didn't Xbox take her down?
shane gillis
You shouldn't say midget, so.
joe rogan
Yeah, look at this.
Coolio was on it.
Coolio won it.
shane gillis
Damn.
matt mccusker
Ruggies, Ruggies.
joe rogan
There she is.
Damn, dude.
Hasselhoff.
matt mccusker
Hasselhoff sucks.
shane gillis
Dude, this squad is nuts, dude.
unidentified
Three of them are dead.
matt mccusker
Yeah, dude.
joe rogan
Three of those people.
shane gillis
That might be a cursed episode, dude.
matt mccusker
What did Chyna die of?
joe rogan
Kelly Preston died, Chyna died, and Coolio died.
matt mccusker
What took Chyna out?
joe rogan
That's a good question.
matt mccusker
I don't know.
Piledriver.
shane gillis
Kane broke into her house.
joe rogan
She did porn for a while.
matt mccusker
Oh yeah, it was One Night in China.
That was her porn.
joe rogan
Oh, that was the name of it.
matt mccusker
Wasn't it X-Pac who was...
You fucking love X-Pac.
joe rogan
Who's X-Pac?
matt mccusker
The wrestler.
unidentified
D-Generation X. This is like my favorite story.
shane gillis
Matt told me the story.
He was like, dude, I saw X-Pac once.
He was in an airport.
Dude, I was like 12. I was like, yo, X-Pac, what's up?
And he didn't even look at me.
matt mccusker
I was like, X-Pac, I gave him the socket.
shane gillis
He didn't even look at me.
I was like, dude, every dude looks like X-Pac.
No, it wasn't him.
joe rogan
A lot of dudes look like X-Pac.
shane gillis
He saw a guy that looked like that in the airport and was like, X-Pac!
joe rogan
I know five guys that look like that.
shane gillis
Every dude looks like this.
joe rogan
Just from Jiu-Jitsu class.
matt mccusker
You know I was 12, he had a cut sleeve denim vest.
joe rogan
If you live in a Mexican neighborhood, you see that dude every day.
unidentified
You see that dude every day.
matt mccusker
Young Pac.
shane gillis
X-Pac does rule though.
The Bronco Buster?
I did not think it was gay.
There was not one part of me that thought it was gay.
joe rogan
What's the Bronco Buster?
shane gillis
A guy gets put in the turnbuckle and he's like sitting.
X-Pac jumps and puts his dick in his face.
That's it.
That's his closer.
joe rogan
That's a good closer.
shane gillis
That's pretty solid.
Suck my dick.
joe rogan
That's amazing.
So this is what he does?
shane gillis
There it is, dude.
matt mccusker
He's getting ready.
joe rogan
This guy's got his girl sitting on his lap and she's nodding like, yeah, fuck his face.
shane gillis
He's gonna assault this man.
matt mccusker
Fuck, dude.
This was the Ice Age.
joe rogan
That is insane.
That is insane.
That's his finishing move.
Imagine pitching that in a meeting.
Vince, here's my plan.
I'm going to lay a dude against a turnbile.
I'm going to fuck his face.
And then I'm going to do like this here.
shane gillis
Suck it!
Genius.
Xbox, you've done it again.
joe rogan
Hey, what do you think about the Saudis buying the WWE, the rumor?
The unsubstantiated rumor that the Saudis are buying the WWE? You met Lemaire.
shane gillis
He's an autistic man.
He loves WWE. And he's not happy about it.
joe rogan
Yeah, he was very mad last night in the green room.
shane gillis
He's upset?
Why?
joe rogan
All him and Tony would do was talk about it last night in the green room.
shane gillis
Oh, Tony likes wrestling.
joe rogan
They were very upset.
matt mccusker
Are they gonna let the wrestlers hit women and shit?
shane gillis
Well, that's the thing.
They're saying they might not...
Their conspiracy is...
No women.
They're going to be able to bulldog all of them.
It's going to be Attitude Era again.
matt mccusker
Let's be pulling women out of cars.
shane gillis
Dude, they're going to 3D May off the fucking Jumbo Trout.
Remember they did that?
joe rogan
They're going to bring him in to do that on chicks.
shane gillis
There was an old woman in the WWF, and these two dudes, you remember the Dudley Twins?
matt mccusker
Dudley Twins, yeah.
shane gillis
Dude, they tossed an 80-year-old woman off the...
Jamie.
joe rogan
What did they do?
shane gillis
This is Saudi Arabia.
Saudi Arabia saw this and was like, we're in.
We're very interested.
joe rogan
She's got a neck brace on?
unidentified
This is a long bit, so I'll kind of zoom ahead.
shane gillis
There's LaMere.
jamie vernon
There's a mask.
They brought her out.
So she's standing up there watching.
matt mccusker
Oh my god.
joe rogan
And she's yelling and screaming.
And so they roll her.
matt mccusker
The Dudley boys!
shane gillis
The Dudley boys are so nice.
jamie vernon
Oh, Bubba Ray Dudley.
joe rogan
What are they going to do to this old lady?
matt mccusker
I think she's on a power bomber.
joe rogan
Oh, he's trying to push her down the ramp.
unidentified
What was he doing?
Dave Long was going to run me right off the...
matt mccusker
Crowd.
shane gillis
Crowd.
joe rogan
I wouldn't do that.
matt mccusker
Dude, this is the arena.
Spill her blood.
joe rogan
This is hilarious.
matt mccusker
Fear to the lions.
joe rogan
This is actually a great idea.
This is funny.
shane gillis
You'll see.
It's really not that funny.
matt mccusker
Everyone's thought about doing this.
shane gillis
No!
unidentified
No!
What the fuck, man?
What the fuck?
joe rogan
He just did a lateral drop on a table.
shane gillis
Dude, powerbombing your grandma?
joe rogan
What do they call that?
shane gillis
That's a powerbomb, dude.
That was a powerbomb through a table.
matt mccusker
Dude, the fact that your brain carried this for...
22 years.
This has been in your brain for 22 years.
joe rogan
Bro, what kind of damages do to that lady's brain?
I mean, I don't care what you say.
That lady got impact from that.
There was some impact involved in that.
Damn, I wonder if there's like a nursing home pipeline in the WWE. She's not protected there.
Look at her hands, that's a real old lady.
Bro, that probably took memories from her.
shane gillis
You talking shit?
Oh no, that's Mark Henry saying I love you.
Are you okay?
jamie vernon
Are you dead?
matt mccusker
Dude, they killed an old lady?
joe rogan
Jesus Christ, okay.
shane gillis
That's fun.
matt mccusker
He's rubbing his head, he's like, I'm gonna get this pinned on me.
unidentified
What the fuck, man?
matt mccusker
I'm getting arrested.
Damn, dude.
shane gillis
So yeah, WWE's not afraid to put hands on women.
matt mccusker
It's coming back.
shane gillis
They did get away from it.
Now with the Saudis, we might be back to the classics.
unidentified
Putting geezers through tables is fucking crazy.
shane gillis
That was probably in like Rochester, New York.
Rochester, are you ready for Raw?
Fuck yeah!
joe rogan
Oh my god, that's so nuts.
shane gillis
Do you ever go to one of those?
A wrestling?
joe rogan
No.
Tony's been trying to get me to go to WrestleMania forever.
shane gillis
It's so fun.
joe rogan
But now that the Saudis bought it, allegedly.
Is that real?
What's the...
Still not real?
matt mccusker
Damn.
joe rogan
Did we snopes that yesterday?
jamie vernon
They were still investigating it.
shane gillis
It's gonna be cool.
If the Saudis get it, there's a chance it gets better.
matt mccusker
Who owns it?
Does Vince McMahon still own it now?
joe rogan
Well, they kicked him out because he got busted with a bunch of floozies.
shane gillis
What?
joe rogan
Paying a bunch of ladies with company cash.
matt mccusker
Who would have thought all that money went to that?
joe rogan
Look, if you look like that and you're seven years old and you're the head of the WWE, you're slinging dick.
matt mccusker
What do you want him to do?
joe rogan
What do you want him to do?
I'd be more disappointed if he wasn't slinging dick.
shane gillis
If he was a faithful married man.
joe rogan
He's a gigantic barbarian man who's like 79 years old and works out with a chain around his neck.
You ever see how jacked he is?
matt mccusker
Yeah, he's fucking ridiculous.
joe rogan
Show me a picture of Vince McMahon jacked.
No, still jacked.
shane gillis
No, I watched him get stunnered at WrestleMania.
joe rogan
It's tough, dude.
matt mccusker
Did you see that?
shane gillis
LaMare got me.
LaMare was hanging out with me and he was like, it's WrestleMania today.
And I was like, I don't give a fuck.
And then he started putting up old highlights to get pumped for the thing.
matt mccusker
Dude, I used to love Stone Cold.
shane gillis
My bad.
It was...
matt mccusker
Dude, look at that.
joe rogan
Dude, he's super jacked and he's 150,000 years old.
shane gillis
That's from the front, dude.
See him from the side.
He's got the fucking...
joe rogan
What does he got?
shane gillis
He's hunched, dude.
matt mccusker
Oh my god, dude.
jamie vernon
That's pretty new.
matt mccusker
Let him do his thing.
shane gillis
Obviously, I'm not truly criticizing, but when he got stunned...
matt mccusker
I'm talking about his extramarital affairs.
joe rogan
Oh.
You're giving him a hard time about his physique, Shane?
Really?
shane gillis
Joe?
matt mccusker
No.
shane gillis
That sounded kind of personal.
joe rogan
I'm stunned.
Yeah, he got stunned.
He looks good.
I think he's 80-something years old.
shane gillis
Well, that's incredible.
matt mccusker
He looks better than Schwarzenegger.
joe rogan
How old is he?
Let's guess.
77. I say he's...
jamie vernon
You just saw it.
joe rogan
I didn't see it.
shane gillis
Did it come up?
joe rogan
I didn't see it.
shane gillis
I didn't see it?
joe rogan
I say he's 80 years old.
shane gillis
Review the tape.
I didn't even see it.
matt mccusker
What's the discussion?
You're saying he...
joe rogan
He said he looks like shit.
shane gillis
No, he was...
Because back like 10 years ago, he was like yoked, cover of fucking men's health.
Back when he was 70. Back when he was 70. And I thought that was going to be the same guy that came out in WrestleMania.
And now you can see it's age.
You can see it's wearing on him.
joe rogan
Let me see.
shane gillis
He got stunned and couldn't even go down.
matt mccusker
He hated Stone Cold, bro.
Stone Cold stole his youth.
joe rogan
But, Jamie, how old is he?
jamie vernon
Fog.
joe rogan
How old is it?
77. 77. Yes, he looks great.
Bro, he looks fucking great for 77. 77, you're supposed to be a dead man.
You're not supposed to be pro-wrestling.
shane gillis
He would whoop my ass.
Obviously, he would beat my ass.
He'd slap me.
joe rogan
Bro, he's older than my mom.
Look at this.
matt mccusker
Boom!
joe rogan
Not a lot of fucking hit behind that.
jamie vernon
Not much going on.
shane gillis
I'm telling you.
joe rogan
He threw him into the turnbuckle.
Pat McAfee goes down.
shane gillis
McAfee goes hard on this.
jamie vernon
He sells it very well for him.
joe rogan
What are you saying?
This isn't real?
jamie vernon
No, no, no, no.
joe rogan
What the fuck are you saying, Jamie?
jamie vernon
When we saw him, he was in a neck brace.
He just got him thrown through a table.
joe rogan
McAfee?
jamie vernon
Yeah.
joe rogan
Yeah, don't do that kids.
Those guys get busted up more than anybody.
When I've had those pro wrestlers in here, like Diamond Dallas Page, his body had been through fucking hell.
That's why he invented that yoga.
He's got his own yoga system and he's like helped all these wrestlers that are all fucked up completely rehabilitate their body and get their motion back.
unidentified
Yeah.
matt mccusker
Damn.
joe rogan
Yeah, it's like a hardcore yoga.
The dude's in incredible shape, man.
shane gillis
I haven't seen him.
joe rogan
He can stand up, grab his foot, and do a split.
shane gillis
I remember DDP. He ruled.
joe rogan
And he's in his 60s.
Grab his foot, standing up right now, no warm-up, and he holds it up like a split.
Not bullshitting.
matt mccusker
Really?
joe rogan
Yeah, he did it in my studio.
shane gillis
That's weird.
joe rogan
I was like, that's insane.
unidentified
That's weird.
joe rogan
He was showing me some of his exercises.
shane gillis
What the fuck, dad?
joe rogan
Guy's in amazing shape.
And his back is fucked.
Technically, he should need surgery.
It's all bone-on-bone and shit, but he does that yoga routine every day, and he keeps him healthy and mobile and he's not in pain.
He's so flexible.
It's like, how did you do this?
When you see him move around, you're like, you're a pro wrestler, and look at you.
shane gillis
He hit Beetlejuice with a guitar.
matt mccusker
Did he?
joe rogan
Beetle just from the Howard Stewart show?
He hit it with a guitar?
shane gillis
He smashed him with a guitar.
unidentified
No.
shane gillis
Now he's doing yoga.
matt mccusker
What a world.
I guess if you're dedicated every day to yoga, you'd probably help your body.
joe rogan
I think those guys, if you're that busted up, you kind of have to do something every day.
Otherwise, you're not going to be mobile.
Like, you really have to fix...
If you just start eating pain pills, which a lot of them do, that's a dark road.
You gotta think about how many times a year those guys were on the road.
I talked to Jake the Snake and he was explaining his evolution in the game and how long it took him and all the road gigs and shit.
Dude, those guys were doing 300 nights a year.
shane gillis
Every day.
Never helped.
joe rogan
Every day they're smashing into each other and slamming each other.
And some of them, they don't like each other, so they want to hit each other hard.
matt mccusker
I can only imagine the real feuds going on.
joe rogan
Oh, dude.
shane gillis
I was just talking to somebody about it.
matt mccusker
Seriously, fuck you, brother.
I'm a fuck dude.
shane gillis
No, they're all fucking, especially back then, roided out, lifting every day, drinking every day, fighting every day.
They were, for like five straight years, they hated it.
joe rogan
Was it Jake the Snake or was it The Undertaker that had the broken eye sockets?
Was it The Undertaker?
unidentified
Yeah.
matt mccusker
Weren't there like five Undertakers?
jamie vernon
He had a special mask he had to wear for a while.
joe rogan
He shattered his fucking eye socket in the middle of a mask.
This Mexican dude landed on his face.
His move, instead of fucking your face, he would drop his butt on your face.
So he drops his butt on...
Who was it?
It was like a famous guy.
Mysterio?
jamie vernon
No.
joe rogan
No?
jamie vernon
Giant guy.
unidentified
That's crazy.
joe rogan
This dude landed his butt on his face and broke his eye socket.
And so he's like...
He's got to finish the match!
He's got to finish this match with a broken eye socket.
matt mccusker
Is that why his eyes started going up like this all the time?
jamie vernon
Well, he actually said he ran into a clothesline.
I'm reading a quote from him.
joe rogan
Oh, he ran into a clothesline.
jamie vernon
It was that guy, Mabel.
joe rogan
Okay.
I thought the guy landed on his face.
Didn't you think so?
jamie vernon
He says he was 6'8", 500 pounds.
I ran straight into what was supposed to be a clothesline, but he was so gassed and I ended up hitting a spot in his arm.
joe rogan
Actually, Jamie, I think he broke his eye socket twice.
I think if I remember correctly, he broke both eye sockets.
jamie vernon
Well, this is him.
matt mccusker
Jesus.
jamie vernon
According to this, it says this is what he said on the Joe Rogan Experience.
joe rogan
Oh.
Yeah, both eye sockets.
Yeah.
See, that's right.
One was because the guy was completely out of shape, a lot of similarities.
The other one, I think, was the butt to the face.
I think he's saying he broke both because we showed another one that he did where the guy wasn't as big who landed on his face.
I might be remembering this wrong.
I have a very limited memory for pro wrestling.
shane gillis
I watch it.
joe rogan
Yeah, that's great.
They threw the grandma to the table.
shane gillis
Threw the grandma to the table.
It was pretty awesome.
joe rogan
I'll delete that by the end of the week.
unidentified
By the end of the week, I'll have no knowledge that that happens.
shane gillis
You'll never forget.
unidentified
You'll never forget.
matt mccusker
You'll have dreams about it.
shane gillis
Dude, I remember.
unidentified
You're right.
jamie vernon
You're right.
Rey Mysterio did hit him and that cost him damage.
matt mccusker
There you go.
joe rogan
Yeah, okay, so it was Mysterio.
Oh, he landed with the Hurricane Rana.
I think he landed with his butt on his face.
jamie vernon
Ray Mysterio is super small.
That's not the butt face.
He got hit in the face by him, I think.
shane gillis
But Ray Mysterio would be hopping around like that.
joe rogan
You said he's super small.
jamie vernon
Yeah.
joe rogan
That's bony.
I think he landed on his face.
matt mccusker
Oh, dude.
joe rogan
I think that's the reason why he got him that way, because he landed with his butt on his face.
shane gillis
The dead man.
jamie vernon
That's so nice.
He mistimed a top rope senton.
joe rogan
And landed on the Undertaker's head.
Yeah, he landed on his head with his butt.
Yeah, he mistimed the move and landed on his face and broke his face.
matt mccusker
Dude, imagine looking forward to that all day.
That guy's going to put a jump on your face with his ass.
You know that's coming.
You're like, fuck, dude.
joe rogan
How about the other guy?
Fuck in your face.
Fuck in your face.
And you have to lay there like you're out cold.
shane gillis
In front of an arena.
joe rogan
And this guy's just bang, bang, bang, and then suck it right in front of you.
That's your job.
matt mccusker
Remember the wrestlers that never won?
There'd be like Kevin.
unidentified
Yes.
matt mccusker
Kevin would come out and just get smashed every time.
That's what I mean.
shane gillis
That dude has to sit there and get his face fucked.
unidentified
The whole crowd's like, you're a fucking gay pussy.
shane gillis
And then you gotta go back.
Everyone's like, the guy who fucked you is awesome.
They're probably going to sit in a locker room, they're like, nice work, dude.
joe rogan
That's what's so weird about wrestling.
How enthusiastic people get.
matt mccusker
Yeah, it's fucking crazy.
joe rogan
They get so fucking angry at the bad guy.
matt mccusker
It's crazy.
shane gillis
They fire him up.
Those bad guys will come out and be like, Delaware, what a bunch of fucking retards are you?
And they're all just like, no!
joe rogan
Do you ever watch Danny Hoffman?
shane gillis
They'd have Arab dudes come out and be like, America fucking sucks ass.
unidentified
And these dudes are like, take that the fuck back.
joe rogan
Wasn't that the Iron Sheik?
shane gillis
Yeah, Iron Sheik.
They had dudes come out for everything.
There was Russians.
They have everybody.
Back in the day, The Rock was part of...
Nation of domination.
They're like black African extremists that would come out and be like, in front of all the white people.
unidentified
No!
shane gillis
No!
joe rogan
Did you ever watch the Andy Kaufman films?
shane gillis
Yes.
joe rogan
When he was doing pro wrestling?
That was crazy.
The fact that he decided that that was what he was going to do.
matt mccusker
There they are.
shane gillis
Bring that down to South Carolina.
matt mccusker
I think the CIA assassinated three of them actually.
shane gillis
Two of them were FBI informants.
joe rogan
Jamie, see if you can find some of the Andy Kaufman.
The Rock was a snitch.
shane gillis
He snitched on Farouk.
joe rogan
He told me, we'll make you a movie star.
Just gotta give up your brothers.
shane gillis
You gotta snitch on Farouk.
He did it.
matt mccusker
He put a bomb in Farouk's house.
joe rogan
Imagine if it turns out the Rock's working for the FBI the whole time.
matt mccusker
How could he not be?
shane gillis
Yeah, at this point, how could he not be?
matt mccusker
How do you think they made so many Jumanjis, dude?
shane gillis
Yeah, it's fucking intelligence written all over it, dude.
matt mccusker
That's Mockingbird, bro.
Jumanji's Mockingbird.
joe rogan
Jumanji was a fun movie, man.
How dare you?
shane gillis
Dude, hit the record.
The first one?
matt mccusker
Hit the record.
Hit the record.
shane gillis
Wait, the Robin Williams one was incredible.
joe rogan
No, I went to see the rock one with my kids.
I loved it.
shane gillis
With kids, maybe, dude.
Check the record.
matt mccusker
I praised Jumanji.
I praised Jumanji.
shane gillis
You like Jumanji?
Yeah, you guys have kids.
It's a good movie.
I was in Boston by myself.
I was doing comedy.
I had to kill a whole day.
I had nowhere to stay.
I went to a Panera Bread by myself.
I had never drank coffee before in my life.
I was like 30. I never drank coffee.
I was chugging cold brews all day.
I didn't know it would give you a panic attack.
And then...
I went and saw Jumanji by myself at like 2.30 p.m.
joe rogan
Oh my god.
shane gillis
And I was in there just like, holy shit, dude, I'm a fucking moron.
I saw Jumanji by myself.
matt mccusker
I feel bad.
shane gillis
And then I called Matt and I was like, man, I want to quit comedy, dude, I'm so fucking sad.
unidentified
I've been in a Panera for four hours drinking iced coffees in a booth by myself.
shane gillis
Ten hours.
unidentified
Oh no!
shane gillis
I spent a whole day in a Panera.
I had no money.
matt mccusker
Dude.
joe rogan
That's hilarious.
shane gillis
It's zero dollars.
I saved up to see Jumanji.
matt mccusker
You gave me so many fire movie recommends and finally I came out of Jumanji and I was like, Shane's gonna like this.
And he gave him a panic attack.
I was like, fuck my bad, dude.
shane gillis
That fucked me up.
matt mccusker
How crazy was it?
shane gillis
I was in there by myself watching Jumanji.
matt mccusker
Dude.
shane gillis
It's like, this is for real a low point.
This is like a fucked up thing.
matt mccusker
Dude, I... I'm an adult.
shane gillis
It was a weekday.
2 p.m.
in Boston.
joe rogan
That is a weird thing.
matt mccusker
That was before...
Yeah, that was like...
This could capsize.
My whole life could capsize.
shane gillis
It was capsized.
I was swimming.
My ex-girlfriend gave me her old laptop, so I had like a Chromebook that was like a $90 Chromebook.
matt mccusker
Your laptop was dead.
shane gillis
I was by myself.
I would find websites that had old games.
I was playing like SimCity 98. I was like, oh, there's a movie theater in the parking lot.
I'll go see whatever they have.
Jumanji at 2.30.
I'm in.
joe rogan
Yeah, those days on the road and the early days, they feel weird.
shane gillis
It's really sad.
joe rogan
And also, if you're working with people you don't like, like you show up in a town and the middle's a douche.
matt mccusker
Dude, I went with him to Florida.
He got booked to go to Florida.
I was like, I'll just come with you and I'll host.
And you were booked to feature.
shane gillis
Yeah, we did a whole southern tour.
matt mccusker
A whole southern tour.
He brought me...
I don't think anyone wanted me there at all.
He brought me there.
I forgot underwear, first of all.
I didn't pack underwear.
I had no undies the whole time.
shane gillis
I was a feature, and I was like, I got a guy I'm bringing.
unidentified
That's hilarious!
matt mccusker
The headliner stole his jokes.
The headliner was a guitar guy, and Shane would go up, I was bombing constantly, and Shane would go up, he was doing well, and the headliner started just like, he was bombing on a guitar, and then he'd start doing callbacks to Shane's bits.
And then, he started just incorporating them into, it was the craziest shit.
unidentified
He did my act.
shane gillis
By the last couple shows, he was just stealing the thing.
joe rogan
It was crazy, dude.
shane gillis
But it was when I was new, so I was like, that's cool.
joe rogan
Yeah.
shane gillis
You know, I was new enough to be like, at least, you know, he's saying that was good.
matt mccusker
True.
shane gillis
But that was, dude, it was me, him, and the headliner in a comedy condo in South Carolina.
We just fucked with this dude.
He sucked so fucking bad, dude.
matt mccusker
We were in a back green room.
And there was like a plastic, you know the plastic's supposed to look like crystal?
joe rogan
Yeah.
matt mccusker
It was like plastic table stuff with lunch meat, and this guy's just crushing baloney, being like, guys, I'm on the road all the time, I can get pussy any time I want.
unidentified
We're like, okay, dude.
shane gillis
He was like, man, if I was your guys' age, if I was single, you guys, I'd be getting pussy too.
I could go out there and get pussy if I wanted, but I'm not gonna...
We're like, dude, he's standing eating lunch meat on a tray in a club in South Carolina.
joe rogan
He's a guitar act.
matt mccusker
Yeah, we're in like a closet in like a Mexican bowling alley.
He's like, dude, I could clean up out there, dude.
You guys have no idea.
unidentified
And we're like, dude, pretty sure you're just crying when we came in here.
shane gillis
He was absolutely...
That was a fun fucking trip.
matt mccusker
Dude, that was so fun.
shane gillis
It was so fun.
Me and him were young and just bullying a headliner.
Just fully like, oh, is that what you said back in the condo?
matt mccusker
And he'd be like, yeah, it is.
joe rogan
Those weird headliners that no one knows who they are, but they kind of headline, and they go to some places, and they've been doing it way too long.
They can achieve this very high level of toxic bitterness.
matt mccusker
It's Sith.
joe rogan
You're around them, and they have a couple beers, and they start looking at you sideways.
matt mccusker
Dude?
shane gillis
And they tried it.
They're like, oh, dude, that was the guy.
He was like, oh, you guys are doing a podcast.
I guess we'll see, huh?
matt mccusker
Don't waste your time.
Fucking dickhead, dude.
Yeah, that was very funny.
shane gillis
He was, yeah.
He was just a big guy.
joe rogan
What year was this?
matt mccusker
Fuck, man.
shane gillis
16?
15?
joe rogan
But in his defense back then, how many podcasts were there?
matt mccusker
I don't know.
shane gillis
There was enough.
joe rogan
I think people had already figured out that you could make money off of it.
shane gillis
Yeah.
joe rogan
By 15, yeah.
shane gillis
There was enough.
He just was saying, like, every comedian does it.
Trust me.
I tried it.
It didn't work.
It's not going to work for you guys.
joe rogan
I think the market's oversaturated now, but I still think people should do it.
If I was a new comic, if you're a new comic starting out now, you should do a podcast, even if no one's going to listen.
Just keep doing it.
Just do it and keep doing it, and it'll grow.
But there's so many of them now.
Trying to get an audience now, it's so much harder than it was Five years ago.
Yeah, maybe six years ago.
matt mccusker
I feel like if you're actively trying to get an audience, you just have to just talk.
Like, I talk to myself when I drive anyway.
I'll just talk and like, damn, I should have recorded.
It's so fucking good.
joe rogan
You talk out loud to yourself?
matt mccusker
Yeah, I talk out loud constantly.
joe rogan
And you feel like, damn, I'm good.
matt mccusker
And it's fire, dude.
While I'm driving, I talk to myself all the time.
My kid will be in the backseat and I'll be talking to myself and turn around and be like, ha ha ha.
Really?
I can't stop.
shane gillis
You like that one?
matt mccusker
I can't stop casting.
shane gillis
You're casting, dude.
joe rogan
That's your thing always, is talking to yourself?
matt mccusker
Sometimes.
I'll just talk.
I don't realize I'm doing it.
I'll be thinking.
I'll just start talking.
shane gillis
Jesus Christ, if I recorded what I was saying in a car.
matt mccusker
Classified.
shane gillis
It'd be a quick pocket.
joe rogan
I don't think I'd ever talk to myself in the car.
matt mccusker
Really?
I don't think so.
It's good.
It's fun.
joe rogan
I'm going to try it.
shane gillis
Like talking out loud?
matt mccusker
Yeah, just talking to yourself.
joe rogan
That'd be a good way to do a podcast.
shane gillis
That's fucking crazy.
joe rogan
If you had a Tesla, especially if you have a quiet car, you could set up a camera and just do a podcast while you're driving.
matt mccusker
Dude, I'm telling you.
You access...
joe rogan
Bill Burr did stuff like that.
But it was more like him driving around, like, God, look at this fucking guy.
Yeah, he was giving a tour.
shane gillis
That was good.
joe rogan
Yeah, those were good.
shane gillis
You give tours of towns and shit.
You driving and just talking must be...
matt mccusker
Talking.
shane gillis
For real terrifying.
matt mccusker
Fleshing out the ideas.
Duh.
joe rogan
Well, that's the way a lot of guys come up with material.
That's how Dylan does it.
He comes up with so much material because he's podcasting all the time.
He's ranting about things, and some of them you can keep.
Some of them are genuinely good ideas.
matt mccusker
Two percent, I would say.
joe rogan
If you fucking sling ten around, you pick up two.
That's pretty good.
That's pretty nice.
shane gillis
I was trying the ones.
You and me workshopped a couple jokes this week.
The seller did not like them.
unidentified
Good.
shane gillis
The seller wasn't that excited about it.
Because I couldn't word it.
I don't know how to word it.
joe rogan
How many sets did you do down there?
shane gillis
It was like five or six a night.
joe rogan
So each set, the audience was similar?
shane gillis
I probably tried it twice and then scrapped it.
Me and Matt did a podcast that day and we were talking about if there was a parent sex pride parade.
See, it doesn't work.
matt mccusker
If your parents flaunt at their sexuality.
shane gillis
The way gay people do at the pride parade.
If it was your dad and your mom on a float.
Even a gay guy would be like, ew.
And then I was trying to say, look, I'm happy you guys are doing it, but that's how we feel.
We're like, ew, I'm glad you're doing it, but gross, dude.
And it didn't work.
Still didn't work.
matt mccusker
I mean, it's funny.
joe rogan
I see what you're saying.
matt mccusker
It's a fair point.
joe rogan
It's a good point.
matt mccusker
I mean, again, do what you want to do.
shane gillis
The dog general worked.
matt mccusker
Did it?
shane gillis
I might be onto something there.
matt mccusker
The dog general?
shane gillis
That fucking dude that retired in the military with a dog mask?
I don't even know if it's real.
unidentified
What?
shane gillis
This guy from the military retired, and he was wearing a fucking leather dog mask in his uniform, like in front of the flag.
joe rogan
What?
shane gillis
It might be fake.
I might have got tricked, but either way.
They were using it on Twitter.
He was like, Commander Bow Wow's retiring.
Arf, arf.
That was the end of it.
But they were using it on Twitter.
They were trying to make fun of the U.S. military.
They were like, here's China's military.
Here's Russia's military.
And it's like skinheads that are like...
And then it was, here's ours.
It's a bunch of trans people and the dog guy.
And the joke is...
For real, that's absolutely more terrifying.
Like, that's a truly scary military, that we had a furry with fucking missiles behind them?
joe rogan
Yeah.
shane gillis
That's like an actual lunatic.
matt mccusker
That's a problem.
joe rogan
If it's real.
shane gillis
It's probably not real, but I like it.
joe rogan
It might not be real.
Dude, there's footage, there's footage that comes out of this war.
shane gillis
Also, another joke, it's over fucking eight.
joe rogan
There's footage that's come out of this war that is different than any footage of any war that I've ever seen because it's on cell phones.
shane gillis
Yeah.
joe rogan
There's so much cell phone footage from this war.
shane gillis
Dude, and planes are flying low over, like, apartments and shit.
joe rogan
Yeah, but I'm talking about, like, one-on-one combat situations with guns.
unidentified
Yeah.
joe rogan
Like, I've seen a bunch of them now.
And one I saw yesterday was this guy was in a gunfight in the woods.
So he's hiding behind trees and the trees have like chunks of fucking wood missing from them because a bullet just hit it.
I mean like a fucking movie, right?
And he runs to these Ukrainian guys that are in a foxhole and he's got the drop on them and I don't know what he's saying like he's saying surrender give it and the guy reaches up to grab his gun and And he ices the both of them in the head.
Down, down, at close range.
From three feet away.
And you're watching and she's like, holy shit.
matt mccusker
Jesus.
joe rogan
This is what they're going through over there.
This is the real war.
This is really what war is happening.
And they're filming it on their cell phones.
shane gillis
Now, imagine a furry.
unidentified
He's in a drone just like, what are they doing down there?
matt mccusker
It's like Spaceballs.
He's up in the ship.
shane gillis
He sends him drone strikes.
joe rogan
Well, that would be the scariest thing if someone had real drones, like those dog drones with guns on them, and they just sent those after people.
matt mccusker
Yeah, why don't we just send, like, a bunch of robots?
We definitely have, like, war robots.
Why don't we just be like, yo, here, use the war robots.
I guess you can't, I guess, I don't know.
joe rogan
I wonder if, some, a friend, I don't know if this is true either, we'll find this out.
What was the other thing that we were just trying to find out?
shane gillis
Dog General.
joe rogan
Dog General, is that real?
shane gillis
Come on, dude.
matt mccusker
I support the Dog General.
shane gillis
I know Dog General's out there.
He's probably listening right now.
joe rogan
What my friend was telling me when he served overseas because of the Geneva Convention.
That's real.
That's not real, bro.
That's so photoshopped.
shane gillis
That's so real.
joe rogan
Let that guy wear a dog mask.
unidentified
The Dog General.
matt mccusker
That's scary.
joe rogan
For real.
shane gillis
Exactly.
They want to make fun of us who are having trans and furries in our military.
Good luck fighting those dudes.
joe rogan
Maybe that's just what he does during, like, formal events.
In regular times, he's just a straight-up killer.
matt mccusker
We should bomb other countries and make fun of our trans military members.
shane gillis
For real.
matt mccusker
Yeah, fuck that.
shane gillis
You gonna fuck with us?
joe rogan
What was the other thing that I was gonna look up?
We're gonna look something else up.
matt mccusker
Oh, um...
I know what you're talking...
The, uh...
Ah, fuck, I don't know.
shane gillis
Jamie, I can't believe you're not finding a dog general, dude.
joe rogan
What was the other question I asked?
There's a guy with the mask, and what was the other one?
jamie vernon
Ukraine video stuff?
matt mccusker
No, no.
I know what you're talking about.
unidentified
God damn it.
jamie vernon
The last thing I had up was the Andy Kaufman stuff.
matt mccusker
No.
We're talking about cell phone videos.
We're all over the place.
We're talking about cell phone videos.
Oh, sending robots into...
jamie vernon
Drone robots.
matt mccusker
Drone robots.
shane gillis
There he is.
That's real.
matt mccusker
Going to the dogs.
joe rogan
That's real?
shane gillis
No.
matt mccusker
American conservative.
shane gillis
Celebrate pop pride.
joe rogan
Wait a minute.
So this is gay officers only wear these masks?
shane gillis
I don't know what this is.
joe rogan
Scroll back up.
It says, celebrate pup pride with the armed forces.
Gay officers pretend to be canines for sadomistic sex games.
shane gillis
This is the classic website, theamericanconservative.com.
joe rogan
Dude, that's like the Washington Post to me.
matt mccusker
True, true.
joe rogan
They're all the same now.
matt mccusker
Yeah, it's pretty bad.
joe rogan
Okay, so the guy likes to wear a mask.
shane gillis
I know, that's the point.
And then China and Russia were trying to make fun of us.
They were like, look how weird we are.
And it's like, bro, our guys will fuck you guys up.
joe rogan
There was another thing I wanted to ask, but I forget.
But there is one thing.
Someone told me that during...
Overseas war, because of the Geneva Convention, you aren't allowed to have hollow-point bullets in your pistol.
It's an unfair advantage.
matt mccusker
Really?
joe rogan
Yeah.
matt mccusker
You gotta use musket balls?
joe rogan
No, you have to use practice rounds that we use at the range.
Is that true?
jamie vernon
1899 prohibited use of international warfare bullets that easily expand or flatten the body.
shane gillis
What?
jamie vernon
It is a common misapprehension that a hollow point ammunition is prohibited by the Geneva Convention as the prohibition significantly predates those conventions.
joe rogan
But they still do implement that though.
My friend who served was explaining to me the rounds that they made them use over there.
matt mccusker
What?
joe rogan
Yeah.
shane gillis
They tried to outlaw fucking night vision, dude.
joe rogan
Now, I don't know if that was just his unit.
I don't know.
That's crazy.
shane gillis
They tried to be like, this is unfair, what you guys are doing.
joe rogan
Do you know how crazy it is?
Fair and unfair when it comes to killing people?
jamie vernon
I'm digging through it.
It's going to get weird.
2015 DOD law war manual returns hollow point bullets to armed conflict.
matt mccusker
Well, I think he was- Imagine passing that bill.
jamie vernon
But it's overseas, you said, I guess.
matt mccusker
Get those back in here.
joe rogan
He was overseas.
shane gillis
It's time for some dude's heads to fucking explode.
joe rogan
I don't know if that's true, but that was what he had said.
jamie vernon
And did they have hollow point bullets in 1889, I guess?
matt mccusker
Yeah, but doesn't this stuff go out the window when, like, guys start fighting for their survival?
joe rogan
It certainly should.
matt mccusker
Like, well, I don't want to break those rules.
joe rogan
But when you're seeing a scene like I saw with the foxhole, and, you know, that this is what these guys are going through today...
And it's all done on someone's fucking Samsung Galaxy, so it's like clear video.
It's horrible.
It's real close up, too.
It's like, oof.
matt mccusker
It's kind of embarrassing at this point.
It's like, dude, you guys are really...
What are we doing?
You guys are shooting each other in the face right now?
Yeah, at this point, it's kind of embarrassing.
jamie vernon
It's still happening.
matt mccusker
It's like, come on, man.
joe rogan
Wow.
Civilizations, when they evolve with war, you never kind of get them out.
I think the only chance...
We have is if we keep, like, all moving to a new place with a new agreement.
Like, the reason why United States is so much different than anywhere else is because the majority of the people just said, look, let's get the fuck out of here and start a new place.
Because this shit's crazy.
And then everybody was like, hey, where'd you guys go?
And then that place, come new place, became the shit.
And that's really what America is.
But then, eventually, it gets fucked, too.
Like, we don't have the same, like, physical wars on our borders because we're luckily surrounded by water.
But we're still engaging in it all over the place and ramped up.
It's like we're involved in so many different conflicts all over the world.
It's almost like the only way you're ever going to stop that is if people keep moving.
It's like, all right, this one didn't work either.
Let's keep going one more time.
Antarctica, here we go.
And take over that one and then do that for a few hundred years and fuck that up.
And then everyone learns.
It's like the lessons that people learn.
In civilization, they take forever.
They take forever.
matt mccusker
True.
joe rogan
We're still doing the death penalty.
We know how many people are innocent that are on death row.
We know.
We know we're killing innocent people.
Like, yeah, but fucking win's a win.
Win's a win.
unidentified
Yeah.
joe rogan
Yeah.
shane gillis
One innocent person is terrible.
Imagine being falsely accused the whole time and you're like, no.
joe rogan
Dude, I've had multiple men like that on my podcast because of the stuff that I do with Josh Dubin, who used to be an ambassador for the Innocence Project.
He's released dozens of these people.
And the stories are horrible.
Well, you're crying.
shane gillis
I might have heard one you had on here.
joe rogan
I've had a few of them.
shane gillis
There's a guy with a little girl, and it was DNA reversed it.
Maybe it was on here.
joe rogan
Yes.
There's been a bunch of them.
shane gillis
They're like, we saw you with her the last time.
That was all it took.
unidentified
Yeah.
shane gillis
And then they found he couldn't afford DNA testing or something.
joe rogan
Well, there's one guy who was an immigrant who walked into a trailer after this woman had murdered someone, and his footprints got everywhere, and they blamed him, and he was in jail for 20 years.
Like, that kind of shit.
shane gillis
Why is he walking around?
joe rogan
Well, it's like, what the fuck's going on?
Like, imagine you check in on people, and you open the door, and someone's been knifed to death.
And you're like, holy shit, and you're just realizing, you're trying to turn the lights on, like, what the fuck's going on?
And he's an illegal immigrant.
He's from another country.
shane gillis
Yeah, so he tried to hide.
joe rogan
And then the woman blames it on him, and it's just crazy.
matt mccusker
Ah, that fucking sucks.
joe rogan
And it's just such a flawed system.
And the thing is, like, there's an incentive for a prosecutor, once they're starting to try a case, they want to win that fucking case.
They've got a record.
They have a reputation.
And so they're trying to win.
And when it's like a government prosecutor or a district attorney and they know there's some information that would exonerate that person, they're just like...
They don't give a fuck.
shane gillis
That seems like a problem, making it competitive for lawyers.
joe rogan
It's very bad.
shane gillis
To be like, I want to win.
There are DAs that are like, I arrested the most people.
joe rogan
Exactly.
shane gillis
It's like, yeah.
matt mccusker
Yeah.
Then they run for office, and it's like, remember that?
shane gillis
I was tough on crime, and then all of a sudden, ten years later, being tough on crime is racist.
I wasn't tough on crime.
Now I'm the vice president.
Yeah, man.
joe rogan
I didn't call them super criminals.
matt mccusker
Super predators.
shane gillis
Super predators is nuts.
matt mccusker
That's crazy.
That's crazy he's getting jammed up on, like, manila folders when he was, like, kissing 12-year-old girls on camera.
joe rogan
I don't know jack shit about politics, but if I had to guess, they're trying to get rid of him.
My guess would be they're trying to get rid of him.
If all of a sudden, his own aides are sending these, instead of taking these classified documents, which you have located, and go, well, let's not do that again, and fucking locking them up somewhere.
His own aides?
shane gillis
Self-reporting?
joe rogan
Dude.
That sounds sus.
Well, no one self-reported that fucking laptop.
matt mccusker
I know.
shane gillis
Well, that was Russian disinformation.
That reeks of Russian disinformation.
unidentified
They got a hold of the social media companies and lied to them.
joe rogan
They did whatever the fuck they could to keep that from happening.
And even this, they discovered this before the midterms.
shane gillis
Yeah.
joe rogan
So they didn't release the information until after the midterms.
matt mccusker
I mean, dude, I mean, everyone said this a million times, but like the news, if that was flip-flop, if it was, you know, Trump's kid, that would have been all over.
It would have been like, this is the fate of our democracy, rest in the sun, blah, blah, blah, blah.
joe rogan
And the media would have gone right along with it.
matt mccusker
Yeah, and it's like so obvious, and it sounds trite, but it's like, dude, why do they...
What's the incentive to be like, nah, fuck that guy, not that guy?
That kind of freaks me out.
joe rogan
Dude, there's a bunch of us that are just unrepresented.
It's the reasonable middle.
The reasonable middle of the world.
Unrepresented.
You've got radical left and radical right.
You've got people that are all in on the Republican Party, and you should never get an abortion, even if you've been raped.
You got wild shit on that side, and on the other side, you got men can get pregnant, you got all this chaos, you got FTX cells.
He was just making mistakes.
No big deal.
We should barely even attack him.
We don't even need to bring him in.
Come on, guys.
matt mccusker
Yeah, why would they let that guy off the hook?
joe rogan
The number two donor to the Democratic Party.
matt mccusker
Oh, duh.
joe rogan
Number two.
matt mccusker
Yikes.
joe rogan
Just buy George Soros.
And they're like, whatever, whatever.
No one's freaking out.
shane gillis
I think it was the Republicans hanging on to that Santos dude.
joe rogan
That is wild.
shane gillis
The Republicans are like, no, he's a good dude.
matt mccusker
That guy should be in jail.
shane gillis
Santos is the guy who's like, I'm Jewish.
matt mccusker
Oh, that dude.
shane gillis
And they were like, you're not Jewish.
And he's like, I meant Jew-ish.
I'm like a Jew.
matt mccusker
He's a master of the English language.
He's a master of the English language.
joe rogan
He lied about so many things.
shane gillis
He lied about everything.
joe rogan
I found out about it on the podcast.
matt mccusker
It's hilarious.
joe rogan
And then I went on a deep dive.
I'm like, this guy's wild.
shane gillis
I was looking at him yesterday.
The first article that came up was like, he lied about being a volleyball star.
unidentified
Yeah.
joe rogan
You ever see Biden lie about his education?
Have you ever seen that clip?
Where he lied about his education and they fact-checked him on the news?
matt mccusker
What did he say he was?
joe rogan
Oh my god, he just flat-out lied about his credentials.
shane gillis
I think it fucked him up in that debate.
Oh, for sure.
He was running a while ago and he got fucked up on- Well, he ran for president in 88. He, like, plagiarized the speech, he did that.
joe rogan
Dude, we used to do Joe Biden night at Stitch's Comedy Club in Boston where we'd all do each other's acts.
That time, Joe Biden lied about his academic credentials.
So watch this video, because it's fucking crazy.
shane gillis
He was 76 of 85. He was so silly.
matt mccusker
He might have got it wrong, though.
He might have been like 85 to top.
shane gillis
Truthfully, a guy who finishes 76 would get it wrong.
matt mccusker
Oh, that's the video.
joe rogan
No, this is the video.
matt mccusker
I've seen it.
joe rogan
He argues with this guy.
unidentified
And the other question is, could you quickly...
I think I probably have a much higher IQ than you do, I suspect.
I went to law school on a full academic scholarship, the only one in my class to have a full academic scholarship.
In the first year in law school, I decided I didn't want to be in law school and ended up in the bottom two-thirds of my class, and then decided I wanted to stay, went back to law school, and in fact ended up in the top half of my class.
I won the international moot court competition.
I was the outstanding student in the political science department at the end of my year.
I graduated with three degrees from undergraduate school and 165 credits, only need 123 credits, and I'd be delighted to sit down and compare my IQ to yours if you'd like, Frank.
shane gillis
Can you rewind that and look at the guy who wants to fuck him so bad?
Did you see how happy that guy was?
He was like, you're doing it, Joe.
joe rogan
I know.
unidentified
I'm not questioning your IQ at all.
I'm just saying that with the people that we have elected to office in recent years, I think that we have to question their credentials very Well I think you're right.
Damn.
But you know what I find kind of interesting?
It seems to me if you can speak, you're at a liability in the Democratic Party anymore.
It seems to me you've all become heartless technocrats.
It seems to me that you forget that what happens is we've never as a party...
joe rogan
Okay, pause this.
This is now nonsense.
shane gillis
Biden rules.
joe rogan
Now go to the article where it says what his actual stats were.
Because someone fact-checked him on the news.
It's not in that clip.
There's one that they played that clip on the news and then fact-checked it.
matt mccusker
It'd be a nice edit like cutting that to like now him just fucking bumbling around on stage talking nonsense.
joe rogan
He's actually 70th in a class of 85. So he wasn't in the top half.
But there was a bunch of other stuff that he lied about in that clip, too.
In the news clip where they check it, this, like, hardcore news guy goes, actually, the true story is, and he just lays it all out.
shane gillis
Oh, that blows.
joe rogan
It sucks.
shane gillis
Imagine if you're lying and a dork comes in.
unidentified
The new questions stem from taped remarks of Biden during an April campaign appearance in New Hampshire.
I went to law school on a full academic scholarship.
joe rogan
Yeah, scoot ahead a little to the where you can't.
Oh, okay.
I don't know what it's going on.
unidentified
That's okay.
joe rogan
Keep playing.
matt mccusker
That's crazy.
unidentified
In my class, I'd have a full academic scholarship.
Went back to law school and in fact ended up in the top half of my class.
I was the outstanding student in the political science department at the end of my year.
I graduated with three degrees from undergraduate school and 165 credits, only 123 credits.
Biden now concedes he did not graduate in the top half of his law school class, that he does not have three degrees from college, and that he was not named outstanding political science student in college.
Newsweek says Biden actually went to school on a half scholarship, ended up near the bottom of his class.
And won only one degree, not three.
Joe Biden ranked 76th in the class of 85 at the University of Syracuse Law School.
I mean, this guy comes off this whole thing as a flyweight.
Now Biden says, and this week is right, his memory had failed him.
joe rogan
His memory had failed him.
My memory had failed me.
But his memory seems so good right there.
unidentified
True.
joe rogan
That would be so scary if you could rattle off facts that you think are facts.
matt mccusker
Oh boy.
Maybe he believed it.
joe rogan
Maybe he believed it.
My memory failed me.
Maybe his memory fails him all the time.
Maybe he's just, like, hanging on.
Just has a prepared speech for, if Bob asks this, I say that, he has to write it all out.
shane gillis
Yeah, I'm gonna ram it down his fucking throat.
The guy's like, I think you're an idiot.
He's like, actually, I got the highest IQ on Earth, motherfucker.
That does hurt when the dorks come after you, though.
unidentified
Yeah.
shane gillis
When you're up there lying.
joe rogan
Well, especially those are the mainstream dorks.
shane gillis
Yeah.
joe rogan
I mean, that was Sam Donald.
shane gillis
That was back in the day, the real dorks.
joe rogan
Yeah, the real dorks.
shane gillis
The heavyweight dorks got him.
joe rogan
The journalists.
shane gillis
Yeah.
joe rogan
Yeah.
unidentified
Jesus.
joe rogan
I exaggerate when I'm angry, but I've never gone around telling people things that aren't true about me.
That's not true.
matt mccusker
An oxymoron?
joe rogan
You just lied right there.
shane gillis
I lied, but I never lie.
joe rogan
He just lied right there.
Because he lied.
He said he had three degrees.
That's not an exaggeration.
That's a lie.
matt mccusker
Yeah.
joe rogan
You know, saying you're in the top half of your class is also a lie.
It's exaggerating.
If you say, I fucking killed it in college, but then they found out you were in the bottom half of the class, well, that's an exaggeration.
Well, that's kind of a lie, too.
matt mccusker
He can be like, I was in a lot of clubs, I played, you know, intramural sports.
joe rogan
Yeah.
matt mccusker
But, nah, he fucking, he fucked it up.
joe rogan
He went for it.
matt mccusker
He lied.
And he called black people super predators, and, uh...
shane gillis
No, that was Hill Dog.
matt mccusker
Didn't he say that?
shane gillis
I think it was Hillary.
joe rogan
I think it was him.
shane gillis
I think there's him on tape.
matt mccusker
I think he's been on tape.
shane gillis
He's had some rough ones.
He had some rough ones.
joe rogan
I think they get these terms that they'd like to throw around, and then they start using them with each other, and it's like sort of a signal that we're all on the same page.
shane gillis
Oh, okay.
joe rogan
You know, whatever it is.
Whatever term they're using to try to push things across.
Hillary Clinton, not Joe Biden, use the term super predator.
shane gillis
Let's go.
joe rogan
Let's go.
shane gillis
Jamie.
This makes up for the lack of dog general info.
unidentified
Joe Biden, let's go.
joe rogan
Yeah, Hillary, boy.
I know women want a female president.
You got one in Tulsi Gabbard.
Go get her.
That's one that you can really get behind.
matt mccusker
Who do you like, Matt?
shane gillis
Who are you trying to endorse?
matt mccusker
I want Yang, dude.
shane gillis
Yang's a beast.
matt mccusker
I just want a new party.
I don't care what he does.
I just want a new party to win.
It'd be fun.
Just like knock the other two out.
shane gillis
You were getting early.
matt mccusker
Yeah, I like the idea of just fucking...
shane gillis
You liked UBI at first.
joe rogan
You liked Universal Basic Income?
unidentified
Were you a communist?
matt mccusker
No, I thought it was a cool idea.
joe rogan
Try it.
matt mccusker
My thing is just try it.
We should do wild experiments.
Just try it out.
joe rogan
I thought it was a cool idea until people started getting money during the pandemic and they didn't want to go back to work.
And I was like, oh no, this is what happens.
shane gillis
Then you try to go to Starbucks at a rest stop.
joe rogan
Yeah, you'd have a collapse of the service industry.
You'd collapse of jobs that suck.
But you would also have a resurgence of people doing what they actually want to do.
It wouldn't be everybody, but it would give a good chunk of people an opportunity to try something that they've always wanted to do where they don't have to worry about subsistence, right?
They don't have to worry about food and rent.
And then they can go pursue a dream.
But how many are going to do that?
I don't know.
Is it worth trying?
It might be.
I don't know.
I mean, but human nature, the problem with human nature, like, people, if you give them stuff and make them so they don't have to do anything, they don't do things.
That's a lot of people.
But a lot of people wouldn't.
They would look at it as an opportunity.
It's almost like you need to educate people as, like, what gives you meaning in life.
And I know being lazy is very attractive.
It draws you to it.
It's so comfortable to just sit on the couch and play video games and do nothing, but you're gonna get depressed.
You're gonna get depressed!
You need a task.
I think everybody needs a different task, and everybody has a different level of need, but you need tasks.
matt mccusker
Yeah, forward motion.
shane gillis
Have you played Bannerlord?
joe rogan
Dude, if I played games, man, I'd have a fucking problem.
Jamie can tell you, I have a problem.
I get psychotically obsessed, and I'll play eight, ten hours a day, and I'll fuck up my life, and I'll look pale like a vampire.
shane gillis
What the fuck's wrong with that?
joe rogan
Dude, I was playing Quake.
I would play all night long, man.
I installed a T1 line in my house back when I couldn't get good internet because I was living in the mountains.
I was like, what can you do?
And they go, well, if you had a business, we could run a T1 line.
I go, well, I got a business.
Let's run a T1 line.
shane gillis
It was just you playing Quake.
joe rogan
They had to fucking dig up the street and lay pipes and shit.
matt mccusker
Oh, they had to send the boring missiles.
unidentified
Oh, yeah.
joe rogan
I went hard.
shane gillis
Damn.
joe rogan
So I could play Quake.
matt mccusker
How long did this last for?
joe rogan
Oh, I had to quit cold turkey.
I realized it was a real problem.
shane gillis
Fuck, I'm not excited about that.
I'm headed that way.
matt mccusker
Eat games?
shane gillis
I plugged in the Xbox 360 this week and started playing NCAA 14. Took eight hours.
joe rogan
There was my friend, my friend Rob was a manager at the Comedy Store, real nice guy, and one day he said, you know, He played EverQuest all day.
He had a real problem.
And he goes, I'm so good at making money in EverQuest and so bad at it in the real world.
And I was like, this is profound.
Because he was having this...
He's out in public.
He left the house.
Because for him, that's a big deal to shut the computer off and leave the house.
He's so immersed in the game.
So he's hanging out with us at the store in the back bar.
And he's like, I gotta do something, man.
I gotta do something.
I'm like, you gotta quit.
They're fucking great.
I love them.
Don't get me wrong.
I'm not an anti-video game person.
I fucking love them.
But I know for me, they're too fun.
I was like, why am I just sitting around answering emails that I have to answer?
Why can I just be in a world of murder?
I gotta be honest.
shane gillis
That's exactly where I'm at.
Dude, I get emails and I go, fuck out of here.
I literally put the phone down on it.
joe rogan
Yeah, man.
It's a time.
shane gillis
Mountain Blade banner lord, dude.
matt mccusker
Let's go.
I can't do it.
And I suck too.
I suck at them.
shane gillis
That's very frustrating.
matt mccusker
We lived together and I was like, I'm going to get good and beat Shane.
And I played all day.
He was at work, I was at home.
I was just fucking like, I'm going to kick his fucking ass.
I'm going to kick his ass and he came home.
I was like, what's this?
Beat my ass and I stormed up.
I get so mad too.
I can't handle it.
joe rogan
It's so hard, man.
matt mccusker
I can't handle it.
joe rogan
I play, what's that, that karate game?
Is it Dead or Alive?
It's a fucking great karate game.
Where you get to pick all these different...
And my daughter kept jacking me up.
She was playing against...
She was using this little lady.
And this little lady does this little fast move.
She like spins around and kicks you in the head.
shane gillis
So frustrating.
We'll do a different move.
That's fine.
joe rogan
My daughter kept fucking me up.
She fucked me up.
She was so happy and I was so upset with myself.
I was like, I can't believe that.
That was that girl.
She's hot as fuck.
Yeah, and she dead or alive.
unidentified
That's it.
joe rogan
Yeah, that's awesome.
It's a fucking great game.
It's so addictive.
matt mccusker
Goddamn.
joe rogan
And you can, like, use some martial arts strategy in that game.
If you know, like, good techniques.
It's so fun.
shane gillis
Yeah.
I'm the only one that can do ground and pound in the UFC. I'm the only one that can do jujitsu in UFC in our video games.
joe rogan
So you know how to hit arm bars and stuff?
matt mccusker
I crush them.
joe rogan
How do you learn?
Do you learn, like, pressing certain buttons at the same time?
shane gillis
Timing, all that stamina, all that.
Yeah.
unidentified
Wow.
shane gillis
It's very fun.
joe rogan
Bro, doing the voiceover for that was one of the most brutal jobs I've ever had.
It's so long.
Because you have, like, these lists of all these things that can possibly happen, and all these fighters' names, and all these different scenarios.
shane gillis
How long does it take?
joe rogan
Hours and hours and hours.
Many, many, many, many days.
Yeah, you're working.
You're at a fucking sound booth.
And, you know, you're constantly drinking water because I'm screaming.
So I can only do it because, you know, it's like, oh!
You're doing shit like that.
See, you have to do it.
I'm trying to do it like a real fight.
shane gillis
You weren't in the last one.
It fucks me up.
joe rogan
I'm like, is it?
shane gillis
You weren't in the last one.
I genuinely was like, damn, dude, I need the fucking, ah!
I need it.
joe rogan
Daddy's busy.
Daddy's busy.
It's too much work.
It's so much work.
I was in the one before it, but they used my old stuff.
So I only did like two of them.
Then I was like, that's it.
I can't do it anymore.
matt mccusker
Yeah, can't you just re-license the sounds, but just take the other ones.
Oh, you gotta use the new guys and stuff.
joe rogan
Yeah, it's new names, new people.
So that means new sessions and this fucking thing, reading off the paper.
Yeah, it's not coal mining.
I get it.
matt mccusker
I mean...
joe rogan
But guess what?
I'm busy.
matt mccusker
Yeah, but you get it in your head.
If you're just trying to say things right, it'll kind of spin you out.
joe rogan
Well, it's also a huge strain on your voice.
Because the way you're talking during a UFC fight, like if you're doing it, it's like you're pushing your vocal cords.
unidentified
Wow, that was wild, by the way.
shane gillis
That was actually weird.
matt mccusker
That was a gear.
That was a gear.
You shifted gears.
shane gillis
That was a Tesla.
joe rogan
How wild is that car?
Isn't it wild to feel that?
shane gillis
It's insane.
matt mccusker
That's scary.
joe rogan
I took them on the ride in the Model S Plaid.
Yeah, it seems so normal, right?
shane gillis
Well, until I noticed your fucking steering wheel halfway through the ride.
You're like, this thing's cool, right?
Have you ever been in one?
I was like, I think I've been in a Tesla.
And I looked over and it was...
joe rogan
It's a yoke, like a Formula One car.
matt mccusker
Yeah.
joe rogan
I don't like it.
I wish I had a regular steering wheel.
Regular steering wheel.
Really?
Yeah, I like a regular steering wheel.
Also, the horn's not in the center.
The horn's a button.
I don't like that.
Everything else I love.
It doesn't have a blinker stock.
Go to the blinker stock.
Everybody knows this.
It's not in the way.
shane gillis
It's an instinct.
joe rogan
It's not in the way either.
It's hidden behind the wheel.
Just do that, do that.
Everybody does it.
It's normal.
It's the best way to hit your blinkers.
And instead they have buttons.
People want to get crafty.
You don't have to get crafty.
Everything is minimalist.
Everything is done inside the panel.
The problem with that is the panel dies, then you're fucked.
You can't even roll your windows down.
You can't roll your windows down, but there's certain things you can't do.
You can't adjust the temperature.
matt mccusker
Do you just turn off if it has an electrical shortage and you're flying?
joe rogan
It's never happened.
I've never had a problem.
matt mccusker
That's cool.
joe rogan
I had a problem with a windshield wiper motor once, but it was just a defective windshield wiper motor.
Those cars are flawless.
They're so well engineered.
They just fucking do what they're supposed to do.
They suck in the cold, though.
A lot of these people that got them in these freezing temperatures in fucking Toronto and shit...
It drains that fucking battery in the cold.
matt mccusker
Oh, yeah.
joe rogan
Yeah, you gotta think about that.
But for like regular driving, they make regular cars look stupid.
shane gillis
I don't know.
You ever see a Chevy Cruze?
joe rogan
Do you still have that?
shane gillis
No, my sister has it.
joe rogan
What are you going to get?
You should get something fat.
unidentified
What?
joe rogan
You should get something nice.
Fat with a P. I don't know.
shane gillis
I live in New York.
I don't need a car.
unidentified
I can't.
shane gillis
No, I want to get a car.
joe rogan
I can't.
Get yourself a Mustang.
shane gillis
Like a Shelby GT500. Matt got a CRV. CRVs are fucking sick.
matt mccusker
Twins CRVs.
Me, my wife, have CRVs.
shane gillis
That's a nice CRV. Black CRV? Yeah, man.
joe rogan
Those things are fast.
And they're so nimble.
shane gillis
They're nice.
Wait, Honda CRV? Yeah, they're nimble.
Yeah, I wasn't sure.
He was excited about it.
joe rogan
No, Honda CRVs are great cars.
shane gillis
I sold them.
matt mccusker
I love them.
shane gillis
Those are my favorite cars.
matt mccusker
The gear shift ratio and them are crazy.
joe rogan
What is that piece of shit?
unidentified
It's a Mustang.
It's a Mustang.
joe rogan
What?
jamie vernon
Yeah.
joe rogan
That's a Mustang?
Did they put a bodysuit on it?
Oh, look, it does have a Mustang rear quarter panel.
jamie vernon
It's made by them, I believe.
joe rogan
Oh, that looks gross.
Boy, that guy, bad investment advice.
unidentified
I don't know.
joe rogan
If guy pulls up to your house, Shane, I want to make you money.
shane gillis
Is that the GT? You've got the Great Gatsby Mustang.
joe rogan
Yeah, but the Great Gatsby was a dope car back then.
shane gillis
It killed a person in the car.
It's the whole point of the movie.
joe rogan
The real Great Gatsby movie?
matt mccusker
Yeah, it's kind of fucked up.
joe rogan
Oh, look, it's got a Mustang GT 5.0.
It's a coyote motor under there.
jamie vernon
His ribs are kind of sick.
joe rogan
It is nice.
matt mccusker
Yeah, I like my butt.
joe rogan
But the regular Mustang looks way better, you fucking dummy.
The regular Mustang.
Now go to 2023 Mustang.
What's the word?
Dark Horse?
I think they're called the Dark Horse.
This is the newest of the new Mustang.
See?
Why would you fuck that up, bitch?
Look at that thing.
Goddamn, that's sexy.
That's a sexy car.
shane gillis
We've had this conversation every time I'm on here.
Dude, I can't drive this car, dude.
joe rogan
That's a 500 horsepower.
Comes in a manual.
You can get that in a manual.
matt mccusker
You're an SUV guy.
shane gillis
This is it.
matt mccusker
Suburban.
joe rogan
The Dark Horses comes in a manual, right?
Doesn't it?
I've never even heard of it.
It's the newest of the new Mustangs.
matt mccusker
New Breed-a-Pony.
joe rogan
It hasn't even come out.
500 horsepower.
I like that.
Carbon fiber trim.
shane gillis
I like that talk.
joe rogan
They can make it a lightweight package.
I'm interested.
unidentified
Manual.
joe rogan
Six-speed manual.
Yeah, that's right.
So you can get it in a...
You can get it in a...
Scroll back up, please.
unidentified
Sorry.
joe rogan
What is this?
Can you get an automatic too?
Nope.
Nope.
Just a manual.
unidentified
Yes.
joe rogan
No pussies.
Oh, a 10-speed automatic.
unidentified
Damn it.
shane gillis
Damn.
You ever lie about being able to drive manual?
matt mccusker
I bought a car without knowing.
shane gillis
Literally every time someone asks me.
Every time someone asks me, I'm like, yeah.
I've only worked in cars.
I've worked in an auto auction.
I sold cars and then I worked in a garage in Philly and I couldn't drive stick.
And all the time they'd be like, you gotta bring this car out back.
I'd just sit there and be like, I'm gonna get found out.
Like, year two into my job.
Bro.
I'd have to find someone and be like, yo, can you please drive this?
matt mccusker
Just put it in fucking neutral.
joe rogan
Just teach me real quick.
shane gillis
So many times where I've been in a car in front of everyone just...
joe rogan
You know La Cienega, where La Cienega connects to Sunset?
No.
You know that, right?
jamie vernon
It's why no manual in LA. Oh, wait.
shane gillis
That steep-ass hill right by the store?
joe rogan
The steepest, right by the store.
shane gillis
Yes, I do know that.
joe rogan
I would take that in my Porsche, and it was a manual, and I'd always get stuck at the top.
I stalled out like three or four times.
shane gillis
Yeah.
joe rogan
Because you're like this.
shane gillis
Yeah, that hill is insane.
unidentified
It's like crazy peach.
Fuck that.
joe rogan
So I had to learn how to hit the emergency brake and slowly let out the clutch while I let the emergency brake up.
That's how bad the hill is.
matt mccusker
That's how I did mine every time.
I had like a...
No, what was it?
A Ford Contour.
I bought it stick shift off some Polish dude.
joe rogan
That's why if you have a stick, you need a fucking real handbrake.
unidentified
Yeah.
joe rogan
If you have a stick.
You can't have these bullshit fucking electronic brakes.
Like, what is that?
Electronic.
Like, what are we doing?
Everything's electronic.
At least some cars like this, like Fords, are making these cars that we just...
That's like an advanced muscle car.
That's what that's like.
You get a feel.
You get a...
That's the fun!
shane gillis
That's neat.
joe rogan
That's the fun!
matt mccusker
I get scared.
joe rogan
Don't be scared.
shane gillis
I get scared.
I got scared in that Tesla, dude.
You're scared as shit.
matt mccusker
I literally...
I had 2% of me, he's like, I might die right now.
shane gillis
Bro, I closed my eyes.
I didn't want to tell you guys.
unidentified
Did you?
shane gillis
For a second, I closed my eyes, and then I realized how fucking insane that was.
matt mccusker
No, it was genuinely impressive to move that fast.
My body was just like...
I freaked out.
joe rogan
I wanted you to give me permission.
shane gillis
You got consent.
joe rogan
I wouldn't be that guy.
You didn't want me to?
matt mccusker
No, we didn't.
I wouldn't mind, you know.
I'd like to feel that again.
joe rogan
But it's bizarre, right?
shane gillis
It was very bizarre.
joe rogan
Because it's this four-door sedan.
It looks like a normal car.
It doesn't look like a fast car.
matt mccusker
I almost clutched your torso from behind.
I almost fucking held on.
joe rogan
And then he's going to have that little one that's even faster than that.
unidentified
It's the start of an all new...
shane gillis
Jamie, do not let that happen again.
matt mccusker
Let's take it to a commercial break.
joe rogan
These autoplay motherfuckers.
jamie vernon
I was looking at new muscle cars.
This is the new Challenger.
joe rogan
Yeah, but that's electric.
jamie vernon
Is this one?
joe rogan
That's the electric one.
jamie vernon
I was trying to look up the Banshee.
I guess it just...
joe rogan
Look, you don't see exhaust pipes.
jamie vernon
Oh, that sucks.
joe rogan
It's electric and it makes fake noises.
It makes like rawr, rawr.
shane gillis
That's kind of funny.
It actually does that though?
joe rogan
Yes.
shane gillis
Like audible outside of the car?
joe rogan
Yeah, listen to this stupid shit.
It's the dumbest idea of all time.
shane gillis
This is just literally so you can bother people?
joe rogan
Yeah, that's it.
It's the dumbest thing I've ever heard.
unidentified
Listen to this.
joe rogan
That sound is all fake.
jamie vernon
Is there speakers, I guess?
joe rogan
Yes!
That should be illegal.
That should be illegal.
matt mccusker
Jesus Christ.
joe rogan
That's the fake butt of the car world.
That's what it sounds like when you rev it.
Listen, it's got this low rumble to it.
shane gillis
Low rumble is kind of ominous.
joe rogan
The only good thing about the rumble is it's good for people walking on the streets and shit.
You hear the car.
matt mccusker
Yeah, true.
shane gillis
Or protesting.
joe rogan
That's so dumb.
That's so dumb it hurts my feelings that I do.
Fake rumble.
matt mccusker
They gotta make some noise.
Yeah, you can't have that.
shane gillis
You can't have that thing on a They Will Not Replace Us rally.
That's not great.
You might have to edit that one out.
matt mccusker
You can't give them stealth.
That's a fair point.
shane gillis
Stealth's a nightmare for those people.
joe rogan
Well, you know what the problem with that sound thing is?
It seems like you could hack that and have it play whatever you want.
shane gillis
Definitely.
Have you been to Jamaica?
joe rogan
No.
shane gillis
Wild.
joe rogan
What do they do?
shane gillis
Dudes just ride around.
They have speakers on every car.
Speakers outside.
Blasting music, dude.
Constantly.
joe rogan
That's what people are going to do with that thing.
shane gillis
Or have it talk.
When Jamaicans get a hold of this.
jamie vernon
The Tesla, you could make fart, right?
joe rogan
Yes.
Inside the car.
jamie vernon
But outside, you could too.
joe rogan
Oh, really?
jamie vernon
And I think they had to cancel that because people were fucking up.
shane gillis
Well, that's actually very funny.
joe rogan
Do you remember that movie, was it Scanner Darkly?
No, what was the movie with Alex Jones where they animated him?
Like back before Alex Jones was persona non grata, he was in this like mainstream animated movie.
shane gillis
That sounds like Scanner Darkly.
joe rogan
Was it Scanner Darkly?
jamie vernon
He's in Waking Life.
joe rogan
Waking Life, that's right.
Play the clip of him from Waking Life because it's him driving around in a car with a speaker on the roof.
Look at this.
unidentified
Don't talk about politics or religion.
This is all the equivalent of enemy propaganda rolling across the picket line.
Lay down, G.I., lay down, G.I. We saw it all through the 20th century.
And now in the 21st century, it's time to stand up and realize that we should not allow ourselves to be crammed into this rat maze.
We should not submit to dehumanization.
I don't know about you, but I'm concerned with what's happening in this world.
I'm concerned with the structure.
I'm concerned with the systems of control.
Those that control my life and those that seek to control it even more!
I want freedom!
That's what I want!
And that's what Jason want!
It's up to each and every one of us.
matt mccusker
That's what I do when I drive.
joe rogan
What year was this movie?
shane gillis
With your daughter in the back.
joe rogan
2001. 2001. Richard Linklater.
Isn't that wild?
matt mccusker
I mean, he's kind of killing it right there.
shane gillis
Yeah, that was actually pretty good.
jamie vernon
Yeah, that was very good.
joe rogan
Yeah, one giant blunder.
shane gillis
It was a big blunder.
joe rogan
It's a big one.
matt mccusker
Yeah, I got you.
shane gillis
Kind of the worst blunder, almost.
joe rogan
The worst blunder you can make.
It's the worst.
It involves every bad thing.
shane gillis
Yeah.
joe rogan
Guns, kids, lies.
shane gillis
But didn't he take it back before they got him?
joe rogan
He did, but the problem is...
You know, those people sued him and won $965 million.
shane gillis
That's a lot of money.
joe rogan
And in Connecticut, they won a large settlement in Texas, but in Texas it's capped.
So I think it's capped at like $700 and something thousand dollars.
So even though it might have been like $40 million, really he has to pay $750,000 per once.
It was like $1.5 million or something.
But then the Connecticut one's not capped.
The Connecticut one's different.
shane gillis
Yeah, isn't it like a billion dollars?
joe rogan
It's close to a billion dollars.
Yeah.
shane gillis
That's a pretty funny way to end a trial.
matt mccusker
Is he on a payment plan?
Like, how is he...
shane gillis
Who's the judge?
Fucking Dr. Evil?
joe rogan
How can you ever...
How can you ever come up with that number?
That number's so crazy.
The number only exists if you're trying to just put someone out of business.
Like, completely and forever.
matt mccusker
Yeah?
joe rogan
Yeah.
matt mccusker
I mean, he's still going, isn't he?
unidentified
Is he still going?
shane gillis
Yeah, he's not going to be able to make a fucking billion, dude.
joe rogan
This is impossible.
But the other question is, like, if...
If it goes back to trial, do they reduce them?
How does that work?
Are you allowed to appeal?
matt mccusker
I would imagine you're going to appeal.
I mean, it's probably pretty...
I don't know.
Who knows?
joe rogan
This could go on forever and just bleed him financially.
shane gillis
He should get a pirate ship.
He should go out to the seas and broadcast from the seas.
He should save up enough money to buy a boat.
joe rogan
He should buy Epstein's Island.
shane gillis
He should.
joe rogan
It's for sale.
matt mccusker
What's going on with it?
joe rogan
It's for sale.
matt mccusker
Nobody wants it?
joe rogan
Do you want it?
matt mccusker
I can't afford it.
unidentified
What are you trying to say?
joe rogan
You're trying to say you want it?
matt mccusker
Open up your sandals.
Yeah, I don't fucking buy it.
It's a waste of a good island.
joe rogan
Ghosts would be floating around that island.
shane gillis
Young, hot ghosts.
joe rogan
Russian.
shane gillis
The best ghosts of all time.
matt mccusker
You'd be chasing them like, no, no, no, no, no, no.
Come back, haunt me.
joe rogan
I'm lonely.
unidentified
I'm over here watching Avatar by myself.
joe rogan
Whoa.
Bespoke.
shane gillis
That's it.
joe rogan
It's $55 million.
matt mccusker
Bro.
$55 million.
joe rogan
Scroll back up so I can get an overhead again.
Look at that.
shane gillis
There's the temple.
matt mccusker
That's the temple.
joe rogan
Can you imagine if I opened up a podcast studio where Epstein's Island used to be?
matt mccusker
I mean...
joe rogan
Just imagine.
So where do they fly them in?
They fly them in somewhere else, and then they have to yacht it out there?
jamie vernon
Whatever it's called.
The Big St. James has an airstrip on it, and then they take a boat over.
So he's going to go in two islands, actually.
shane gillis
What's stopping you from doing this?
joe rogan
So this is like, did you see the Glass Onion?
Did you see that, Jamie?
jamie vernon
I did not watch it yet.
joe rogan
The Netflix, it's a new Knives Out.
It's fun.
It's good.
But the dude is kind of like an Elon Musk character, and he owns an island just like this.
jamie vernon
You fly into St. Thomas and take a private helicopter.
joe rogan
It's amazing.
Nobody wants that island.
Do you know how many recording pieces of equipment?
You have to tear down every wall.
Every wall is bugged.
Everything.
There's probably every fucking picture.
The eyes are filming you.
jamie vernon
Yeah, shit.
matt mccusker
I mean, I'd imagine you wanted to demolish everything anyway.
joe rogan
So you have to land on that one little island that's a landing strip.
That's a helipad, it says.
Is that a landing strip, too?
jamie vernon
I thought this one did, but it said you land in St. Thomas, so that might be a little bit back here.
unidentified
Did they bulldoze the temple?
joe rogan
No, that's not his island.
That's not the same island.
That's the island where you can land.
That's close by.
jamie vernon
No, this is the island.
joe rogan
That's his island?
jamie vernon
Yeah, yeah, yeah.
joe rogan
Oh, so he has a helipad.
jamie vernon
Correct.
joe rogan
Oh, okay.
Oh, I'm sorry.
I was confused.
shane gillis
Or is that temple up there?
joe rogan
I thought they were saying that this is the place where you can land.
I'm like, where the fuck are you going to land on this little rock?
matt mccusker
You think someone would demolish the temple.
shane gillis
You should put your podcast studio in the temple, dude.
joe rogan
Well, why would they demolish anything?
If it's valuable, somebody might want it as is.
There's a lot of nutty fucking people in the world.
If you're some Saudi billionaire and you're drinking whiskey, and you're like, you know what I'm going to do?
I'm going to buy that fucking island.
Just like they bought the WWE. I'm going to buy that fucking island.
I'm going to stick it in Clinton's face.
Look where I am.
Do you recognize this room?
You should.
shane gillis
Yeah.
I know what you're doing there.
joe rogan
Yeah.
shane gillis
Trump only hung out with the staff.
joe rogan
I only went there 26 times.
shane gillis
26 is a lot.
joe rogan
26 is not a lot of times.
matt mccusker
That's incriminating.
joe rogan
There's so many days in the year.
matt mccusker
Yeah, that was...
No one talks about that anymore.
That was a weird one.
joe rogan
It's only 26 times.
shane gillis
You got a good Clinton.
joe rogan
It's not bad.
I gotta listen to him.
If I listen to him, I can get it pretty good.
matt mccusker
What's he up to now?
joe rogan
Not much.
Hiding.
matt mccusker
Yeah.
shane gillis
He's done that.
joe rogan
The world's turned on him.
shane gillis
Yeah, but he's also...
matt mccusker
Oh, yeah.
He had some rough ones.
shane gillis
He's old, bro.
matt mccusker
He's old as shit.
joe rogan
He's not just old.
He's old.
He had heart problems.
Then he got on a vegan diet.
And the vegan diet is like, you know, you got to do that.
You got to be real good with that.
If you want to do that and be healthy, you have to really dot your I's and cross your T's and make sure you get all your macronutrients and shit, and you got to take supplements.
He just looks like this.
shane gillis
You're in ketosis, man.
matt mccusker
I was.
I was.
shane gillis
You're out of ketosis?
matt mccusker
So I started getting, like, restless leg for my whole body.
I did a week.
It felt awesome.
I felt great.
Then, like, the last night- No, no, I'm saying before that.
I was like, I got out of the keto flu, and all of a sudden...
joe rogan
I was like, maybe there's something to wrestle slug.
matt mccusker
No, I hate it.
But I never...
I had it in my arms, too.
I was like a dead bug.
I was in my bed, and I was just like...
I think it was an electrolyte thing.
I looked it up.
So I'm going to try it again.
I think I fucked up my electrolytes.
joe rogan
Yeah, do you take an electrolyte supplement?
matt mccusker
Nah.
joe rogan
You should.
matt mccusker
Everybody should.
joe rogan
So easy.
Take this stuff called liquid IV. It's the shit.
You dump it in water, shake it up.
shane gillis
We got a lot of it.
joe rogan
Tastes great.
matt mccusker
Yeah, I gotta do that.
joe rogan
Filled with vitamins and electrolytes.
Like, so many people are deficient in certain nutrients.
And so many people are dehydrated.
unidentified
Yeah.
joe rogan
It's so easy to be dehydrated.
Like, you really should be drinking water all the fucking time.
matt mccusker
Yeah.
Dude, I felt good though.
I didn't realize how different you feel.
First of all, you don't need really to eat them.
I was crushing carbs.
unidentified
Yeah.
matt mccusker
And I went down to not eating any.
I'm like, oh, I didn't know I didn't need that my whole life.
I've been primarily eating those.
joe rogan
I think different people react different ways.
I have a buddy that's been on keto now for like six months.
He's lost 60 pounds.
He looks fucking great.
He said, I'm never going back again.
Dana White is another one.
Dana White lost like 40 pounds.
And he's like, dude, I'm eating like this for the rest of my life.
He goes, it was all just sugar and bullshit and carbs.
And he was having all sorts of health problems.
But my buddy looks fucking great.
John Dudley.
He looks great.
He's like thin now.
I can hardly recognize him.
He's 6'5", and now he's 200 pounds.
unidentified
Oh, wow.
joe rogan
Like, that's crazy.
He was like, at one point in time, he's like 250, probably even higher.
He's a big boy.
And now he looks fucking lean and mean.
He's like, my joints feel amazing.
My energy levels are great.
I just don't think it's for everybody.
I don't think there's a one-size-fits-all diet.
I know a lot of people that just go vegan and they're fine.
And I know a lot of people that try it and their body gets fucked up.
I just think everybody's different, man.
shane gillis
You think that happened to Bill?
Clinton.
joe rogan
He looks like shit.
But I think it's also- How old is he?
shane gillis
He's old as fuck, right?
joe rogan
A lot of sleepless nights.
There's a lot of thinking about all the shit he did.
matt mccusker
Imagine the internet coming out towards the end and that comes out and they're like, oh, fuck.
joe rogan
Well, not just that, but having to live with being the president and all the shit that you gave the fucking thumbs up to and all the people that died and all the countries that got invaded and all the fucking Black ops that we don't know about and all the people that got assassinated and all the people that, like, how about the Obama administration?
How many people died from drone strikes that were innocent?
A lot!
It was in the 90% range.
shane gillis
Yeah, it was a lot.
joe rogan
Of civilians, of innocent people that died in these targeted surgical drone strikes.
Isn't that an amazing term you could use?
matt mccusker
Surgical?
joe rogan
Surgical for a missile with a bomb on the other side.
matt mccusker
Yeah, yeah, yeah.
shane gillis
Very precise.
unidentified
Ah!
joe rogan
Surgical strikes!
shane gillis
Missed it again.
matt mccusker
Silent dinner, silent like pot roast with Hillary Clinton, dude.
Your bill is a silent fucking, like you fucked up some thing on the news and she's not talking to you.
She's in her pantsuit just like...
joe rogan
They have some sort of an arrangement.
I can only imagine.
matt mccusker
You think they don't even like, you think they're just like totally different wings of the house or something?
joe rogan
They're partners.
They're business partners.
shane gillis
But she's still going.
She's still cognizant.
Oh yeah, she's great.
joe rogan
In terms of who would have been a better president representing the country, her or Biden, her by a long shot.
Even if you don't agree with her politics or you think she's a criminal, that lady's a stateswoman.
shane gillis
Biden, eight years ago, Biden.
I liked Biden back in the day.
joe rogan
He was always full of shit.
shane gillis
Yeah, but I like the fucking like, hey, fuck you, I'll get the highest IQ on earth.
joe rogan
Hey, buddy, fuck off.
You're talking a lot of shit.
Remember when you got confronted by that guy at the factory?
shane gillis
The factory, yeah.
He's an old man.
unidentified
Yeah.
shane gillis
I can't confront old men, dude.
joe rogan
You're trying to take away our guns.
This guy was like a fucking regular worker.
Like, you don't know shit.
unidentified
Yeah.
shane gillis
He spazzes, dude.
Biden gets hit with young dudes coming up being like, you're taking our guns.
joe rogan
I'll kick your ass!
shane gillis
Hey, buddy!
unidentified
What the hell are you talking about?
joe rogan
What do you call him?
unidentified
Dog-faced pony soldier.
joe rogan
Dog-faced pony soldier.
matt mccusker
Oh, shit.
shane gillis
You're full of shit.
joe rogan
What's that sound?
jamie vernon
I don't have any idea.
joe rogan
But he used to be good.
jamie vernon
I don't know.
unidentified
Oh.
joe rogan
It's not our audio, it's this audio?
jamie vernon
No, it's just our video.
joe rogan
See if you can find another one.
Yeah, here we go.
You're actively trying to stop.
You're full of shit.
shane gillis
Shush.
Danny, shush, lady.
matt mccusker
Damn!
Shush.
joe rogan
I support the Second Amendment.
jamie vernon
There's a way better video of it, though, right?
joe rogan
I have a shotgun.
He always talks about a shotgun.
I've got a shotgun.
As if he doesn't have, like, armed murderers hanging around his house 24-7.
shane gillis
I've got a shotgun.
joe rogan
I'm an old...
unidentified
I'll take my 12-gauge and shoot it out in the sky and he'll run for comfort.
matt mccusker
I think he makes up everything.
joe rogan
Yeah, he's just living in a fucking movie.
shane gillis
He does talk confidently, though.
He sounded like he was actually handling business there.
He hit a fucking lady with shush and he was like, you're full of shit.
unidentified
Yeah.
joe rogan
Do you think he's on Adderall?
matt mccusker
Something.
shane gillis
He's gotta be.
joe rogan
I think there's a lot of functional people that are on Adderall.
shane gillis
I think Trumpdog was flying.
joe rogan
He was on some something.
shane gillis
Trump was flying on something.
joe rogan
I think a lot of people are doing that.
Dave Portnoy is pretty open about it.
shane gillis
Adderall?
joe rogan
He told me he did it before the podcast.
unidentified
Yeah.
joe rogan
And he seemed totally normal.
unidentified
Yeah.
joe rogan
But he's like, if I don't have it, I just feel like I don't have my edge.
matt mccusker
Really?
joe rogan
Yeah.
matt mccusker
Doesn't it like, I heard it shrinks your, like while you're high on it, shrinks your burn.
shane gillis
Your penis is gone, dude.
matt mccusker
Yeah, it turns like gray.
Yeah.
Really?
shane gillis
It's gone.
joe rogan
Like a cocaine thing.
shane gillis
Almost worse, because Adderall's all day.
Your dick is...
Dude, your dick is this.
I take Adderall sometimes just to get fucked up.
It's fun to drink on, dude.
You take Adderall, you can drink all day.
joe rogan
You can drink all day anyway.
shane gillis
No, but I'll go...
I'll take Adderall and drink until my body shuts down.
But because of the Adderall, you're still there.
We went to the World Series.
I went to the Phillies Astros World Series.
I was blacked out, but I was fully like...
What's going on?
Then we tried to leave the stadium, and I was like...
unidentified
I was like, yo, I can't walk.
shane gillis
Notre Dame, Ohio State, I left.
I couldn't walk.
matt mccusker
Yeah, it's like in Call of Duty when your character dies, but you get the camera to float around the whole thing.
shane gillis
If you take Adderall, you can day drink.
Because I don't...
Yeah.
matt mccusker
I can't drink on Adderall.
joe rogan
How often do you take it?
shane gillis
That was the two times I've taken it.
joe rogan
Damn, it seems exciting.
shane gillis
Ohio State, Notre Dame, World Series.
It's a big day.
If I'm taking Adderall, it's a big day.
joe rogan
Dude, what's a dose?
shane gillis
Whoever I'm with, there's always somebody around that is prescribed.
matt mccusker
Yeah, it's 10 to 20. I would say it's like 10 to 20. Always.
shane gillis
It's crazy.
matt mccusker
Yeah, 10 to 20 milligrams, probably.
shane gillis
10 to 20. Sometimes you run into people that are like 30, fucking 40 milligrams.
matt mccusker
Crunch the time release.
joe rogan
We Googled the number.
jamie vernon
I think Pornoy said it takes a 30. I didn't bring it up.
I was like, that's a lot.
matt mccusker
Some people munch the time release, too.
They have little balls and you can crack down on them and just get it all at once.
shane gillis
Bro, I've tried to snort those things.
Those are some dark evenings.
matt mccusker
I tried- I tried- I tried- I tried drinking on it twice.
The one time I was- I was in college.
I tried to- I was on the Adderall.
I didn't realize even like what it was.
I was drinking on it.
I got all zoomed out and I was like at the kind of a- not like a super high level of a concert.
And I was like, I'm gonna jump down to the next level.
And I tried to jump down, and I got kicked out immediately.
It was fucked up.
I was like, if I could time it perfectly where all the guards' backs are turned, I'll jump down to the pit, climb up, and jump into the other area.
shane gillis
You tried to get up to the stage.
matt mccusker
It just snagged me.
Yeah, of course.
It snagged me.
shane gillis
You're a mess.
matt mccusker
I was like, I'll jump into the crowd, I'll blend.
And the crowd just parted as I jumped into them.
The guy just beat the fuck out of me.
shane gillis
I was at a South Carolina.
South Carolina, he beat your ass.
He saw you jump down.
matt mccusker
He knocked my one shoe off.
shane gillis
Yeah.
matt mccusker
Knocked my one shoe off.
I got back in.
I kicked my other shoe off so I didn't look suspicious.
So I walked in in my socks.
And they thought my friend was me and they started kicking him out.
And I just thought it happened.
I was like, fuck it.
My friend had to get kicked out.
And then I got kicked out again.
And then I snuck back in a third time.
No lie.
shane gillis
In my socks.
This is mission impossible.
matt mccusker
I was on Adderall.
That's why I cannot drink on Adderall.
I snuck in...
Dude, I snuck in with the Aramark workers.
I just walked in with them, only in my socks.
And I climbed up under the bleachers, and I just emerged into some seating.
shane gillis
People were like, ah!
matt mccusker
I was like, dude, I fucking...
It was the Beastie Boys.
He was like, oh, dude, I love this song.
shane gillis
From under the bleachers.
matt mccusker
It was like intergalactic planetary, and it just came up.
shane gillis
Oh, my God, it's amazing.
matt mccusker
I can't have it, dude.
shane gillis
Speaking of...
matt mccusker
I can't have that shit.
unidentified
Sneaking?
shane gillis
You're going to appreciate this, sneaking at a stadium.
I was...
Gone.
It was an all-day tailgate.
I was at South Carolina vs.
unidentified
Tennessee.
shane gillis
SEC football.
It's a night game in South Carolina.
And I'm standing there, and there's just a tiny fence between me and the handicap section.
And I literally, I just stepped over it.
No one better than I, dude.
I was standing there just...
unidentified
I was all in the field, dude.
shane gillis
I left my friends.
They were in the student section.
I was just shit-faced walking around.
I was like...
Stepped in, and dude, people were looking at me like, checks out.
Fully checks out.
joe rogan
Yeah, I'm used to that.
shane gillis
I mean, that's my face when I blacked out.
People were like, this guy, he's by himself.
matt mccusker
Someone just brought you a blanket?
shane gillis
Thanks, man.
It happened at...
I was at a...
unidentified
I'm just picturing you standing there!
shane gillis
Swaying?
joe rogan
I'm just picturing you shit-faced at some guy doing a handicap check.
shane gillis
I was at the Bills game.
Bills Steelers this year.
And Gabe Davis, he's a wide receiver.
He likes comedy and he likes podcasts and all this stuff.
So he invited me to the game.
I'm at the game.
I took Adderall there.
There you go.
There's another Adderall.
End of the game, he's come down here towards the field.
He took his jersey off, autographed it, and handed it to me up in the stands.
Dude, it's just me and children.
Me and little kids are the only dudes down there trying to get high fives from the players.
This guy hands me his jersey, and people are like, oh, that's a guy.
NFL Films was filming it.
It was a sweet moment for them to be giving me a jersey, and I was like...
joe rogan
That's wild.
unidentified
Yeah!
matt mccusker
You're just pushing kids out of the way?
shane gillis
I think they thought I was a special needs man.
unidentified
Oh no!
shane gillis
It was just me and children.
It was me and children in the bleachers like, high five, can I get your gloves?
Good game.
And then a guy gave me his jersey and they were like, nice, congratulations.
matt mccusker
That's what it's all about.
shane gillis
They're like, folks, look at Gabe Davis giving back to the community.
joe rogan
The worst thing that can ever happen to someone is a baseball game where a pitch gets hit, a ball gets hit, it goes foul, and some guy snatches it in front of a kid's face while the kid's trying to catch it.
shane gillis
Yeah, that's brutal.
joe rogan
And then celebrates, like reaches in front of the kid, and then everybody looks at him like...
shane gillis
You want to know how fucking weird I am?
I keep going to baseball games and I love them, but the whole time I'm like, dude, if there's a foul ball, I'm getting the fuck out of the way.
I'm so, like, dude, dropping a foul ball, you know how embarrassing that is?
matt mccusker
Yeah, true.
shane gillis
It's scary.
joe rogan
You can easily drop a foul ball.
Foul balls are scary.
Catching one with one hand is crazy.
I've seen dudes catch line drives with one hand.
shane gillis
Everyone's like, yeah.
joe rogan
Hero.
shane gillis
Hero move.
joe rogan
I've also seen people try to save their friends.
I've seen people dive in front of the ball to save their friend when it's coming out of a friend's head.
A friend is like on their phone and shit.
matt mccusker
Jesus.
shane gillis
Taking it from a kid is...
joe rogan
You'd get fucking cracked by a ball.
shane gillis
Dude, they used to let go of the...
There was no nets down the third and first baseline, dude.
Dudes would let go of the bat.
There's a fucking hilarious image of this dude in the crowd getting hit with a bat.
joe rogan
It's right here.
shane gillis
His jaw is off his face.
joe rogan
I saw another one like that where a dude caught a bat.
The bat went flying, the dude fucking snatches the bat out of the air.
That's exciting.
shane gillis
Because if you're in a baseball game, 90% of the time you're not paying attention.
matt mccusker
I'm one of those freeze and kind of watch something bad happen.
joe rogan
What is this one?
This is the bat one?
jamie vernon
There's a couple of bat ones.
joe rogan
Oh yeah, so this is the bat.
The bat flies and the dude snags it.
shane gillis
Oh, and it's sharp, dude.
joe rogan
It was split.
Fucking hero.
That guy's a hero.
matt mccusker
Look at him.
Oh, my God.
joe rogan
That's the greatest moment of his life.
He caught that bat.
shane gillis
He's talking shit.
He's talking shit.
unidentified
He goes flying, and look at homeboy.
joe rogan
Everybody's freaking out.
These guys are like, I got this shit.
Snatch!
One-handed it.
shane gillis
I mean that thing could have hit a vampire.
joe rogan
That's our leader.
matt mccusker
That's our leader.
joe rogan
If we were a tribe, if it was a tribe, that audience, that's our leader.
That's the guy who caught the bat.
matt mccusker
Look at that.
joe rogan
Animal.
shane gillis
Can you find that still image of that dude getting his fucking face smashed?
joe rogan
Do you know how good that guy must have felt though?
To hold that fucking bat up, standing up like this, and the whole audience is like, yeah!
shane gillis
That must have been incredible.
Especially when you didn't see it coming.
The closest thing we can get to adrenaline is a good set.
This guy was just watching.
joe rogan
This guy saved his kid.
matt mccusker
Look at the lady.
joe rogan
Oh my god, that kid was...
matt mccusker
Look at the mom bailing.
shane gillis
Damn, look how jacked that dad is.
joe rogan
That dad's an animal.
Look at the size of that dude.
shane gillis
That's what I'm afraid of.
I'm gonna be the guy going...
matt mccusker
Yeah, but look at the guy to the right.
Imagine a classical oil painting.
That'd be a beautiful painting, dude.
Look at the guy all the way to the right.
joe rogan
That guy's still drinking his drink.
He's slurping.
He's in the middle of slurping.
matt mccusker
Dude, one guy's not even reacting.
He's just sitting there like, whatever, dude.
joe rogan
Is that a drink or popcorn or both?
matt mccusker
That's popcorn.
He's got some popcorn.
jamie vernon
I think both, but it just looks like popcorn.
shane gillis
Now we're on to something.
Find that lady getting racked in the face with a basketball.
It's so good, dude.
jamie vernon
Is that her?
joe rogan
Broken bat at Fenway Park?
Oh my god, life-threatening injuries.
Oh, there he is!
matt mccusker
Look at the lady.
joe rogan
Oh, that dude took it.
matt mccusker
Look at the little kid.
jamie vernon
He's eating pizza.
joe rogan
Took it.
Look at the little girl.
He's like, save me.
shane gillis
That guy didn't even get his arms up.
unidentified
No.
matt mccusker
No.
jamie vernon
He's looking back here, sees it happening.
joe rogan
Bro, he got cracked.
How bad that guy get injured?
He's a little old to get hit in the head like that too.
That might have done him in.
shane gillis
Shattered jaw at the fucking...
joe rogan
Twins fucking Cubs game.
That's like Anderson Silva hitting him with a left hook.
shane gillis
Look at that!
joe rogan
Snatch!
That guy caught one.
unidentified
Oh!
joe rogan
To the mug!
shane gillis
That's the Indians game, dude.
You're in fucking Cleveland.
joe rogan
Look at that guy laughing.
Look at the guy with the glasses.
He's like, bro, this is sick.
matt mccusker
Look at that lady just looking with morbid curiosity.
joe rogan
Yeah, that lady's a psycho.
matt mccusker
Look at her.
joe rogan
She's staring down that bat.
matt mccusker
This shows your deepest layer.
jamie vernon
Solid photos to snag, too.
The photographer getting all that caught still without all the movement.
shane gillis
Every single one of those photographers went, dude, I got that.
joe rogan
They have to be on point for that, right?
You've got to be ready.
That does happen.
matt mccusker
Jesus Christ.
Dude, I mean...
joe rogan
That guy's a fucking...
shane gillis
That is amazing.
joe rogan
Look at the size of the John Cena arms on that motherfucker.
That guy's a tank.
jamie vernon
This guy blew it.
matt mccusker
Imagine if he was doing like...
Yeah, really.
You got that, bro?
joe rogan
Well, that looks like it's his kid.
matt mccusker
Oh, yeah.
jamie vernon
Here's right before it.
matt mccusker
It's definitely his boy.
jamie vernon
Kid doesn't even see it.
joe rogan
Look at the kid's face.
matt mccusker
He's playing fruit.
shane gillis
That guy's using the force.
joe rogan
That might not be his kid.
shane gillis
No.
jamie vernon
Yeah, there's a...
Oh, no, I think they're sitting next to him.
joe rogan
There's two kids.
Look at the little girl.
The little girl next to him is smart as fuck.
Look at her.
matt mccusker
I thought it was his mom.
joe rogan
She's like, DOWN! Oh, maybe.
It might be the mom.
Whoever it is, they just ducked.
I doubt it's the mom.
jamie vernon
True, yeah.
joe rogan
Oh, that's the row in front of them.
That's what that is.
The dude is next to him.
shane gillis
The black dude up there, like, oh.
matt mccusker
I think moms have a thing innately where they can't, like, they genuinely can't get out of the way.
Like, they'll just stick their head in the way.
shane gillis
You ever drive with your mom in the car?
Yeah, dude.
joe rogan
Yeah, they put their hand over it.
matt mccusker
Every single time.
shane gillis
It's pretty sweet, actually.
It's very nice.
joe rogan
My wife does that to me sometimes.
shane gillis
It's very sweet.
joe rogan
I'm like, it's hilarious.
matt mccusker
Are you serious?
shane gillis
I've never done that one.
joe rogan
That little bitch-ass movie.
How much strength do you think you have that way?
Almost none.
Like, how much resistance do you have that way?
matt mccusker
How good's your backstroke?
Did you ever test it?
Did you ever, like, buck her arm?
Like, dude, don't do that.
You're gonna hurt yourself.
joe rogan
She's only done it a couple times.
She does it with the kids.
It's just a natural thing to do with the kids when they're hitting the brakes.
But it's just like you have zero power that way.
shane gillis
Yeah, focus on the fucking road, dude.
Hold the steering wheel.
joe rogan
How much can you stop going in that direction with your arm outstretched like that and you weigh 130 pounds?
shane gillis
I mean, this is going to be a very dark statement, but I don't know.
joe rogan
What?
shane gillis
That means every single time a mom's in a car accident with her kid.
matt mccusker
Yeah.
shane gillis
A severe one.
She did go like this.
joe rogan
Yeah.
shane gillis
And the last thing she felt was, he's going out.
He's out the windshield.
joe rogan
Oh, when I was a kid, we didn't wear seatbelts.
Nobody wore seatbelts.
matt mccusker
No one did.
We used to all pretend.
We would laugh.
My parents would be like, you guys clicked in and we'd all go click with our, like, make the noise with our mouths.
They'd be like, ha ha, and they'd laugh.
My dad and my uncle would, they cut their, when they started beeping, they just cut their seatbelts off and plugged them in.
joe rogan
Oh, Jesus Christ.
shane gillis
Seatbelts, we're gay.
unidentified
Pfft.
matt mccusker
Dude.
shane gillis
Now they're not.
matt mccusker
I still...
shane gillis
I don't know what happened.
unidentified
Whoever did seatbelts had fucking PR. It used to be if you wore a seatbelt, you were a pussy.
matt mccusker
Kind of a pussy.
joe rogan
Yeah, like if you were a cool guy in a muscle car movie, you didn't have a seatbelt.
shane gillis
When did that change?
What happened?
joe rogan
Even today, y'all know this.
unidentified
Paul Walker.
joe rogan
Dudes would be driving in cars and they're not wearing seatbelts.
matt mccusker
Fast and the Furious might have been seatbelt propaganda.
joe rogan
Yeah.
shane gillis
Might have been the CCP. It could have been the CCP. They manufacture all the seatbelts.
joe rogan
They probably do.
shane gillis
Bro.
You come up with this?
joe rogan
Bro, this is deep.
shane gillis
Paul Walker.
Seatbelt, China.
Jamie, will you find that old woman getting hit in the face with a basketball?
joe rogan
No, we're done.
shane gillis
No, I want to see this lady get hit in the face.
It's a very funny video, and then we can find a new topic.
joe rogan
There's nothing like rodeo guys getting stomped.
shane gillis
Well, that's actually like...
unidentified
Death.
shane gillis
Brutal.
joe rogan
Yeah.
Yeah.
unidentified
Or running the bulls.
joe rogan
You want to watch someone get hit by something?
unidentified
Oh, running with the bulls is rough.
shane gillis
See, it's funny, right?
unidentified
Running with the bulls is rough.
shane gillis
Running with the bulls, though, that's...
Rodeo guys, you're at least like, this is a sport, all this.
joe rogan
It's a sport where there's only one person who knows they're participating.
shane gillis
Running with the bulls has it coming.
joe rogan
How does she get hit?
unidentified
Yeah.
jamie vernon
So it'll happen once and then I get zoomed in just so you can see it.
That's in real time.
shane gillis
Right in the mug.
joe rogan
She wasn't looking.
She wasn't looking at all.
jamie vernon
Looking at Facebook.
matt mccusker
It was like a chain email.
joe rogan
Oh boy.
matt mccusker
Dude, look, look, look, look.
Oh, fuck.
Fuck, dude.
shane gillis
Everybody's just like, oh, shit.
joe rogan
Oh, my God.
matt mccusker
Oh, my God.
Look at him, look at him.
Look at him.
shane gillis
Dude, on the beak.
unidentified
Fuck, fuck, fuck.
On the beak.
Oh, dude.
shane gillis
On the beak.
matt mccusker
He was trying to block it.
joe rogan
Boom.
shane gillis
She didn't even know it happened.
matt mccusker
Oh, my God.
joe rogan
Took a shot well, though.
unidentified
Oh.
shane gillis
That makes me happy.
She's alright.
A basketball, you're on.
matt mccusker
Are you sure?
That's Marsha Brady at the worst.
shane gillis
Basketball, yeah.
She could have whiplash.
joe rogan
She could have whiplash easy.
Let's see what happened.
Does she stay in the game?
She's supposed to stand up with her arms over here like...
matt mccusker
Look at her.
unidentified
Look at her.
She's smiling.
matt mccusker
She's already laughing.
unidentified
She took it well.
joe rogan
She took it well.
shane gillis
She loves the Charlotte.
She loves the Charlotte Hornets.
joe rogan
One more time, Jamie.
matt mccusker
Really?
And by the way, Hornets ball.
Hornets ball.
shane gillis
Hornets get the ball back, dude.
Fuck the Kings.
Sacramento vs.
unidentified
Charlotte.
shane gillis
You get popped in the face.
Trying to watch the Kings, Hornets.
jamie vernon
And six seats, too.
shane gillis
Six seats.
matt mccusker
What year was that?
joe rogan
She was looking at her Facebook.
shane gillis
That was recent.
Cousins was with the Kings.
Running of the Bulls, though.
Those are fun dudes.
joe rogan
Have you seen an old person that's paying attention to their phone and they get hit by something?
They're always on Facebook.
No.
shane gillis
Oh, you're saying if?
I thought you said have it.
unidentified
For sure.
joe rogan
It's Facebook.
That's the platform.
That's all old people.
shane gillis
Geezers love Facebook.
joe rogan
They love it.
Why is that?
shane gillis
Fucking rules.
joe rogan
I know, but why- If you're a geezer, dude?
But why is it for- Is it political arguments?
Like, what are they getting into?
shane gillis
Political arguments, you're like, what happened to everybody I knew ever?
unidentified
Oh, yeah.
shane gillis
And then all of a sudden it's like, holy shit, this is what they're up to?
Nice.
Your kids look great.
joe rogan
Do you ever catch an ex talking to your Facebook?
shane gillis
I don't have Facebook.
I got rid of it.
unidentified
You don't have one?
shane gillis
Yeah, I got rid of it.
matt mccusker
Good for you.
I had one, I deleted it, and then I got a new one because I wanted to see a group, but I never go on anymore.
shane gillis
It's important for open micers because that's the only way you can fight all the other comics in the local scenes Facebook page.
Everybody just fights in there.
joe rogan
Really?
matt mccusker
Well, dude, when you go off of Facebook for years and go back on, it's kind of eerie because then you see people writing the same kind of stuff like two years later and you go, whoa.
That's kind of fucked up.
shane gillis
Yeah.
matt mccusker
It's kind of like a big time suck.
joe rogan
It's definitely a time suck.
They're so addictive.
All these social media apps are so addictive.
matt mccusker
Watching people get fat on it's nice.
shane gillis
Yeah.
matt mccusker
You get to go back in their pictures and watch the trend.
You go, oh man.
You go back to 2014, like, let's go to the president.
You go, ooh, boy.
shane gillis
Ooh, you got sad.
unidentified
You were sad for a few years, and I can see it.
joe rogan
Well, during COVID, how many people just developed heavy drinking problems?
matt mccusker
Yeah, that must have been kind of fun to watch during COVID. People's unhinged Facebook.
Idiots.
joe rogan
Yeah, I had friends that just were drinking wine every night.
Every night.
And they were like, I think we got a problem.
unidentified
Yeah.
shane gillis
Wine every night's...
Yeah.
joe rogan
They were polishing off two bottles a night.
shane gillis
Just hanging out.
No, I know.
That's what I mean.
Just crushing...
joe rogan
By yourself.
Trapped in your house.
matt mccusker
That was so fucked up we got trapped in our houses.
unidentified
Yeah.
matt mccusker
That was crazy.
shane gillis
Dude, I miss it.
I loved it so much.
matt mccusker
Really?
unidentified
Did you?
shane gillis
Dude, I was at my parents' house.
matt mccusker
That kind of rules.
shane gillis
Dude, I got...
Again, I got NCAA 14. I was playing Xbox in my parents' basement.
Shit rules.
joe rogan
You didn't feel like a loser at all?
shane gillis
How could you?
No one's doing anything.
matt mccusker
Yeah, no fair.
shane gillis
That's the best part.
joe rogan
That's the best part.
shane gillis
No one's doing anything.
You can be a loser.
joe rogan
You're allowed to fuck off.
shane gillis
Yes.
joe rogan
Yeah, everyone was fucking off.
It's like the world got a vacation.
shane gillis
Yeah.
joe rogan
Turns out the economy doesn't work that way.
shane gillis
Turns out it is going to backfire quite a bit.
joe rogan
It's real bad.
shane gillis
I'll be all right.
joe rogan
Yeah, you'll be fine.
unidentified
I'll be fine.
matt mccusker
You'll be fine.
shane gillis
But outside of missing the days in the basement, dude, this was two years ago.
I was in my parents' basement.
My mom would be like, dinner.
joe rogan
Isn't it crazy that two years ago that happened?
shane gillis
I would run up the steps, eat dinner.
joe rogan
Two years ago, we were all scared.
Locked in.
shane gillis
Yeah.
matt mccusker
Yeah, dude, I just had my first kid and I had to make the call and just be like, nah, fuck this stuff, dude.
And my wife's like, if you fucking get this wrong, I'm like, nah, dude, don't worry.
shane gillis
What do you mean?
matt mccusker
Just being like, I checked out the death rates and I'm like, bro, the odds are pretty good it'll be fine.
shane gillis
Yeah.
matt mccusker
And she was like, well, and as soon as I looked up the age, I was like, oh, dude, don't worry about this.
But I was like, dude, she was like, you can't go out.
She was in primal fear mode, and I had to be like, trust me, dude.
I can go out and go cop these mushroom chocolates.
joe rogan
It's very lucky that it's not scary at all for kids.
matt mccusker
Yeah, no, it's...
joe rogan
Very lucky.
matt mccusker
It's fucking...
It's ideal.
joe rogan
Yeah.
Well, the flu is worse for a lot of kids.
matt mccusker
This is my thing.
shane gillis
You guys talk.
matt mccusker
This is my thing.
Here's my thing, dude.
Once they figured out it fucked the older people up big time, if I'm 80 years old, I'd like to think I would be like, yeah, I'll take it, but I wouldn't tell my grandkids if they didn't know what it was.
joe rogan
Well, they thought in the beginning that it was going to stop transmission, stop people from getting infected, and that it was safe and effective.
So it made sense that everybody's like, you got it yet.
matt mccusker
You got it.
Is that what it was?
joe rogan
Yeah.
It made sense.
The hysteria makes sense.
People weren't given the best information.
Do you ever see the CEO of Pfizer talk about it now?
It's crazy the way he describes it.
He goes, one to two shots.
See if you can find this, Jamie.
He goes, one to two shots gives you very little protection, if any at all.
And the third shot gives you reasonable protection from hospitalization and death.
matt mccusker
That's what he's saying now.
joe rogan
That's what he said in some sort of a speech.
I don't know when this was, but to hear him say it that way, I was like, I have never heard you say it this way before.
I've never heard anybody say it this way before.
matt mccusker
Yeah, again, it's already like, yeah, make heads or tails of it, but I don't know.
When it came out, I was like, wait, I'm also scared of needles.
When it came out, I was like, nah, I'll wait.
joe rogan
Is that it right here?
matt mccusker
Two doses are not enough for Omicron.
joe rogan
The third dose, quite good protection against deaths and decent protection against hospitalizations.
matt mccusker
What the fuck does decent mean, though?
joe rogan
Yeah, that's such a crazy...
It's weird to hear him say it, though.
matt mccusker
Yeah, it'd be like, ah, you'll be kind of stoked on it.
It's like, thanks, dude.
But this is...
I mean, again, I don't know.
It's hard to know what's true, but isn't it like a lot of the stuff...
Aren't, like...
Are independent people allowed to replicate the studies Pfizer does, or are they not allowed to?
joe rogan
Well, they don't give you the actual raw data.
They give you – like when they do peer-reviewed studies on – peer-reviewed reviews of data that the vaccine companies provide them, they don't get access to the raw data.
They get access to the data that the scientific people that work for the pharmaceutical companies release.
matt mccusker
Yeah.
joe rogan
They don't get all the studies.
They don't get...
The vaccine companies are allowed, or pharmaceutical companies rather, with any sort of thing they do, they're allowed to...
Is this it here?
I think so.
Okay, play it here.
unidentified
The version that will be effective against Omicron as well is not that it will not be effective against the other variants, but against Omicron as well.
And the hope is that we will achieve something that will have way, way better...
Protection, particularly against infections, because the protection against the hospitalizations and severe diseases, it is reasonable right now with the current vaccines, as long as you are having, let's say, the third dose.
This vaccine will be ready in months.
joe rogan
Yeah, that's not it.
matt mccusker
I can't understand what you're saying.
joe rogan
I'm trying to find...
I know he's...
shane gillis
I know he's...
joe rogan
But now they're finding out that the new one, this bivalent vaccine, the new data shows that it's no more effective than the other vaccine.
matt mccusker
Well, did you ever get into the antidepressant stuff, how that, like the serotonin hypothesis, that you're allowed to do as many studies as you want, and if you get the one that kind of like is statistically significant, then you can be like, alright, that's our one, run it.
And it's like, you could have like 800 dogs and have one good one and be like, we got the numbers, go ahead.
joe rogan
Exactly.
matt mccusker
It's fucked up, and it's never been, as far as I know, the whole hypothesis hasn't been, like, proven to, like, uh, even if you use, like, clinical significance, like, does it actually work in theory?
Like, because when they, like, when they're doing, like, p-values and shit, you can fuck around with math.
And just get, like, oh, it's.05, and it's like, oh, cool.
joe rogan
Yeah, no, they...
shane gillis
I fucking hate p-values.
matt mccusker
Dude, it doesn't make any sense.
joe rogan
They bailed on the concept that it's a chemical imbalance.
They said there's no evidence that it's a chemical imbalance.
shane gillis
Are we talking depression?
matt mccusker
Yeah, man.
joe rogan
Well, that was the thing that they'd always said about the reason why SSRIs work.
Because it combats a chemical imbalance.
But now, find that.
Find the paper that shows that there's no real evidence that there's a chemical imbalance.
shane gillis
Did they ever figure out...
When did they start putting kids on this stuff?
matt mccusker
Oh, man.
shane gillis
When did Kambon happen?
matt mccusker
They've looked at that stuff before.
shane gillis
Because that seems kind of...
matt mccusker
Well, there was Chantix.
Chantix was the anti-smoking, I think, one.
And that, like, there was a lawsuit for that.
That was, like, really fucking good luck.
shane gillis
What if school shootings really skyrocketed?
matt mccusker
Dude, all I'm saying is they...
I don't know.
I don't want to say lie about the SSRI thing, but it was like, dude, they didn't give the full picture on those.
Then there was OxyContin.
joe rogan
Depression is not caused by chemical imbalance in the brain.
We don't know how antidepressants work.
There is no convincing evidence that depression is caused by serotonin abnormalities.
Many people take antidepressants believing their depression as a biochemical cause.
Research does not support this belief.
The notion that antidepressants work by elevating serotonin levels is not supported by the evidence.
Whoa.
matt mccusker
Dude, the side effects of these things are fucked up.
They're very bad.
joe rogan
This is what's crazy.
Look at this.
Major depression is one of the most common psychological disorders affecting more than 23 million adults and adolescents each year.
It carries economic costs in the hundreds of billions and is a major risk factor for suicide.
The causes of depression have not been debated, yet a common explanation holds the culprit is chemical imbalance in the brain.
This notion emerged not coincidentally in the late 80s with the introduction of Prozac.
Jesus Christ.
A drug that appeared to help in treating depression by increasing the levels of the brain transmitter serotonin.
So it makes you feel better.
And so they said, oh, you must have a chemical imbalance.
They just juice people up.
Juice them up with serotonin.
Like, yay!
And that makes you feel better.
matt mccusker
Yeah, it's...
shane gillis
I'm alright with it.
matt mccusker
It's fucked.
unidentified
With what?
shane gillis
Just fuck it, dude.
In a cubicle?
Jack it up, dude.
unidentified
Take that shit.
shane gillis
Take fucking heroin.
joe rogan
How many people do you know that are on Prozac?
It looks like a good time.
shane gillis
Almost everyone.
joe rogan
Everyone you know is on Prozac?
shane gillis
A lot of people are on...
unidentified
I think a third of women are on Prozac?
matt mccusker
Something like an antidepressant, I think.
I think it's a third of women.
joe rogan
I bet you feel great.
shane gillis
Yeah, anti-anxiety.
matt mccusker
It dulls you.
I think at first it's nice, and then it dulls you.
From what I've heard, you just stop feeling stuff about anything.
And then you need to keep upping the dose and upping the dose, and it increases your weight gain.
Because then you've got to keep making all the serotonin.
I think serotonin is made from carbohydrates.
You need carbs to make it so people gain weight because they start fucking gorging themselves on snacks.
joe rogan
Oh, really?
matt mccusker
And then you get all the sexual dysfunction, ED. What about 5-HTP? There's serotonin precursors that you could take.
Maybe, but here's my thing.
If they cause erectile dysfunction, how are you going to be happy without a boner?
joe rogan
With SSRIs?
matt mccusker
Yes, big time ones.
How are you going to be happy without a boner, Pfizer?
shane gillis
For real, every time I've done coke, I've been pretty happy, and a boner was nowhere in its sight.
joe rogan
Imagine them and Adderall.
SSRIs and Adderall together.
shane gillis
You literally don't have a penis.
joe rogan
It'd be an innie.
shane gillis
You forget you took Adderall, because you're hammered.
You go to the bathroom...
And chances are I'm at a football game or a stadium, so there's guys next to me.
You know what I mean?
You go up to the urinal, you go...
matt mccusker
Oh, yeah.
shane gillis
You just can't get out.
News of this cannot spread.
joe rogan
You're pissing all over your underwear.
It's unbelievable, dude.
shane gillis
Yo, your dick is fucking this big, dude.
matt mccusker
You gotta break the plane at that point.
At that point, you're going all the way in.
Your dick breaks the plane.
shane gillis
Peyton's going up.
You're pissing up.
That's how small your dick is, dude.
joe rogan
Prozac and Adderall could result in serotonin syndrome, a potentially serious condition.
Unless closely monitored by a doctor, you should not take Adderall and Prozac together.
Yeah.
shane gillis
You probably shouldn't take any of this shit.
Let's try to have a good time.
matt mccusker
I'm pretty sure anxiety and depression are baked into the human experience.
I don't think you can get away from it.
shane gillis
Yeah, you sound like a good Catholic.
matt mccusker
That's what I'm saying, man.
shane gillis
That's what being Catholic is all about.
matt mccusker
I used to have wicked panic attacks when I was 23, and I was also a gigantic piece of shit.
And it was the thing that, like, made me start thinking about my life.
I was, like, shocking in my...
I was just like, and if I had just gotten medication, I just would have kept being a giant piece of shit.
So I'm always like, sometimes you gotta go through, you know what I mean?
You gotta slow through that stuff.
I was a fucking...
joe rogan
How'd you pull out of it?
matt mccusker
I just fucking had to come to grips with the fact that I was going to die eventually.
joe rogan
When you say a piece of shit, you were just...
matt mccusker
Dude, I was just a monster, bro.
joe rogan
What were you taking?
matt mccusker
Nah, it wasn't even...
I was just...
joe rogan
What were you doing?
matt mccusker
Just, like, selling drugs.
shane gillis
Selling drugs?
joe rogan
Oh, you were selling drugs.
matt mccusker
Yeah, I was a bad kid.
I had no excuse.
I had, like, you know, I wasn't like I was, like, my back to the wall.
I was just, like, I just, like, got a couple jobs and, like, I don't like this.
I was like, I should sell drugs.
joe rogan
What kind of drugs are you selling?
matt mccusker
Pretty much everything.
joe rogan
Really?
matt mccusker
Weed was the mainstay.
But then I got coerced into pills.
I didn't even know what pills did, so my friends would talk me into going and finding pills for them.
It turned into a whole thing, dude.
It was bad news.
joe rogan
How'd you get out of it?
matt mccusker
Just stopped, eventually.
unidentified
Wow.
matt mccusker
Patreon podcast took off.
shane gillis
Now we're good.
Thank you, Patreon.
matt mccusker
No, it was, I had, like, I didn't know what pills did, and I remember watching a whole, not even a whole, but, like, it was an apartment complex, and there was these two buildings full of, like, all these kids that were living there.
It was a long story, but, like, I somehow got my hands on, like, Watson Pharmaceutical, like, jugs of fucking, it was, they were Vicodins.
Yeah.
joe rogan
I love that I somehow got my hands on jugs of Vicodin.
That's never happened to me.
matt mccusker
Weird.
shane gillis
I've never stumbled upon any jugs of Vicodin.
joe rogan
I've never opened up a cabinet and, look at these jugs.
shane gillis
I don't think I've ever seen a Vicodin.
joe rogan
What's a jug of Vicodin?
How many are we talking?
matt mccusker
Dude, you know when you're at the pharmacy and you look behind the counter and it's those big boys?
joe rogan
Oh, like a whey protein bottle?
matt mccusker
Yes.
joe rogan
Like one of them big scoop protein things?
shane gillis
How much was that worth?
matt mccusker
Millions.
At the time, it was...
joe rogan
You're going to jail.
You're talking about this on the podcast.
You're fucked.
matt mccusker
No, Statue of Limitations.
joe rogan
What is the Statue of Limitations?
matt mccusker
I don't know.
shane gillis
Statue of Limitations.
Statue of Limitations, dude.
I'm in the clear.
joe rogan
Shades got the shades on.
shane gillis
It's time.
joe rogan
It's over.
Okay, here we go.
Mushrooms kicked in.
matt mccusker
That's basically the thing.
I was just a fucking nightmare.
unidentified
Turn on the jets.
matt mccusker
That was the thing.
shane gillis
Statute of limitations.
matt mccusker
This was before the statute.
shane gillis
The French gave us this.
matt mccusker
I was laying in bed just going, what the fuck am I doing in my fucking life?
Having panic attacks.
And it forced me to be like, yeah, it's probably a pretty bad idea.
joe rogan
So how'd you phase out of it?
matt mccusker
I just stopped.
It made me develop like a sense of like, yeah, this is fucking other people up and I like saw people getting fucked up and I'm like, I'm gonna stop doing this.
shane gillis
And you kept getting robbed at gunpoint.
matt mccusker
And I kept getting robbed at gunpoint.
joe rogan
How many times did you get robbed at gunpoint?
matt mccusker
Twice.
joe rogan
Whoa.
matt mccusker
Yeah, twice.
Twice.
joe rogan
After the first time, you're like, this is never gonna happen again.
matt mccusker
After the first time, I went back.
The plug robbed me at gunpoint and he was like, I won't do it again.
I was like, okay.
shane gillis
You said, yes, daddy.
matt mccusker
The plug?
joe rogan
What's the plug?
matt mccusker
The dude who's your supplier.
joe rogan
Oh, your supplier robbed you at gunpoint.
matt mccusker
Well, yeah, it was kind of a mess.
I would give him money and he would go get them.
And then one time he came back without them and I was like, dude, just have them.
I was so scared of these guys.
And I was like, you can just keep it all.
I don't care.
And he was like, how do I know you didn't set me up?
And he pulled a gun out on me.
And I was like, ugh.
And my roommate walked down and went, ah!
And they both just ran out.
But, yeah.
joe rogan
And so then you tried to buy from him again?
matt mccusker
No, I told him.
He, like, time passed, and he's like, dude, I'm so sorry.
I found out who actually robbed me.
He's like, if you could come back, I'll take care of you, blah, blah, blah.
You know, I'll, like, make it worth your while, and I'll just, you'll never have to put any money up ever again.
joe rogan
And then what happened?
matt mccusker
I just went back, started, you know.
shane gillis
And then he happened to just pull his gun off.
matt mccusker
Then, apparently, he got in trouble for, I think he tried to shoot at somebody.
So I went back to pay him back one time, and then some guy was like, nah, he's in jail.
He tried to shoot someone.
joe rogan
But he tried to, you said he pulled the gun on you twice.
matt mccusker
Once.
A different guy pulled a gun on me.
joe rogan
You said he would never do it again.
matt mccusker
He didn't.
He was true to his word.
joe rogan
So that guy would never do it again.
Or the other guy did it.
matt mccusker
Some other guy.
I was in a house and a guy came in with a gun.
That stunk.
joe rogan
What was this about?
matt mccusker
Weed.
Pounds.
joe rogan
They just said, give me your weed?
matt mccusker
Yeah, it was kind of like one of those things where a guy comes in and he goes, oh my god, some guy happened to be behind me with a gun.
Everyone get down.
And I was sitting there like, this is bullshit.
So then he just took the money, took the weed, and then he was like...
Just like, who the fuck, you know, blah, blah, blah.
He started telling me, like, I was on his territory.
And I was like, dude, come on, man.
And I just sat there, and he just talked for, like, two minutes.
And he was like, if you guys try to look out the window, there's people outside.
They're going to shoot you.
He took all of your cell phones.
I did have a thousand bucks behind my back, though.
I didn't tell him about, so I got to keep that.
shane gillis
That's pretty sweet.
matt mccusker
That was pretty tough.
shane gillis
A lot of people would have lost their composure.
Thankfully, that other guy pulled his gun on you before.
matt mccusker
Dude, you know what happens, though, is you lose...
Everything slows down and you're able to like I was in that the first time I just shit my pants the second time I was like Looking at the kid who I never met before who I knew kind of set this up because I watched one kid I knew like being a real state of fear And I watched this other guy pretending to be scared all while this guy in a ski mask was like with a gun and it was just like fuck I really hope like the part of my brain like I might get shot just went offline and I was able to watch and be like I'm gonna fucking kill this little motherfucker when this guy you know blah blah blah but And so how long after that did
joe rogan
you stop?
matt mccusker
A couple years.
I was chasing the bag, dude.
joe rogan
For real.
matt mccusker
I got robbed.
I didn't make any money.
I got robbed constantly.
I was too trusting.
I got robbed by club one time.
Club point.
It sucked.
Club?
shane gillis
Irishman with a shillelagh.
unidentified
He's like, oh, you better give me the weed.
It's like, wait if you got...
joe rogan
Not again.
unidentified
Fuck.
joe rogan
Damn.
shane gillis
He's a non-violent drug dealer.
joe rogan
So how did you start making money when you quit?
matt mccusker
I always worked in construction and stuff, too.
I'd always have a side gig, so I never depended on one too much.
So I could always say, like, fuck you to my job if I didn't like it.
And if things got weird, I could be like, I'm not going to do that.
I would chill.
So I had a kind of hybrid approach.
joe rogan
And how did you get into podcasting?
matt mccusker
I was just a comedian.
Me and Shane were just living together.
I'm like, dude, can we please do a podcast?
I'm fucking dying here, dude.
shane gillis
I was playing video games.
I was like, yeah, fuck it.
matt mccusker
Yeah, I was just...
joe rogan
What is it called again, in case we forget?
shane gillis
Matt and Shane's Secret Podcast.
joe rogan
There you go.
matt mccusker
But yeah, man, that was not the way.
That was not the way.
joe rogan
No, it doesn't sound like the way.
Sounds like you got some good stories out of it, though, and you lived.
matt mccusker
Pretty good, yeah.
Pretty good.
But I was living according to a fucked up system, and it was like things called mental disorders got me out of it.
That's what I'm trying to say.
We're like, dude, my body was like, this is fucked up.
shane gillis
Dude, when you were crying?
Tell that story.
matt mccusker
Which one?
shane gillis
When you were crying after you tried to sell real estate.
unidentified
Oh, dude.
matt mccusker
Yeah, and I became a realtor, too.
I was 19. I was a realtor.
I was like selling Percocets.
I'm like, I'm gonna become a realtor and really expand my empire.
Imagine a 19-year-old kid trying to sell your house.
I had like a shaved head and I would come in and like people would just be like, yeah, we're not gonna use you and I'd cry in my car and be like, fuck, it's so fucking hard.
joe rogan
You see, we weren't gonna use you?
We're gonna buy the house but we won't use you?
matt mccusker
They would say they were gonna use me and then I'd be like, sweet, I'm about to make 4,000 bucks and I would like take a credit card and max it out being like, payday's coming and then they'd be like, yeah, we're actually going with someone else and I'd be like, fuck.
Fuck!
I'm fucking ruined!
joe rogan
Isn't that a dirty move in the real estate world?
matt mccusker
Yeah, but, you know, but what happens...
shane gillis
He's 19. You're like, yeah, whatever.
matt mccusker
Well, in real estate, what people do is they go, we'll get you, like, what did the other guy say he can get you for your house?
And they'll go pie in the sky.
Because you'll just go, oh, yeah, that sounds better.
But then they know it's not going to sell for that, but they sign you into the contract.
And they slowly lower you down, which kind of fucks you.
Because that, like, first week's kind of important.
If they see you've lowered the price, then they go, oh, they're open to negotiations.
Don't get me started, bro.
I'm a fucking certified fucking realtor.
joe rogan
You and Tim Dillon should do a podcast just on real estate.
matt mccusker
Dude, I remember I was like, I'm going to start being a grown-up and reading the newspaper, and I open it up, and it was like, subprime mortgage crisis.
And I was like, what the fuck's that?
joe rogan
That's Tim.
matt mccusker
Was he a realtor too?
joe rogan
It's all his fault.
shane gillis
Oh dude, he was all over that.
joe rogan
He was a subprime mortgage guy.
matt mccusker
Was he really?
joe rogan
Yeah, that's what he did.
matt mccusker
He fucked me.
joe rogan
He was in Long Island.
shane gillis
Didn't Tim have like houses?
joe rogan
Yeah.
shane gillis
That he was in?
joe rogan
Well, he had one house that got repossessed.
Yeah, he bought it for like $600,000 when he was 21 years old, worth nothing.
And then they took it from him and then it sold for $250,000.
So it's like right after 2008, everything crashed.
He lost everything.
But he's like, why the fuck did they sell me a house?
shane gillis
I mean, he's exactly right.
joe rogan
The way he describes, we did a podcast together recently, his podcast, that we filmed here, but the way he describes it, it's funny.
I listened.
It was a good episode.
He goes, everybody's at fault.
You knew you couldn't fucking buy that house.
Like, why are you trying to buy that house if you don't have a job?
And they sold you the house.
Like, whoa, whoa, okay.
And then they took it from you.
And you're a victim?
He's like, come on.
You shouldn't have bought that house.
matt mccusker
Fair is fair.
joe rogan
But that's looking at it one way.
Another way is looking at it like some family that, like, scrapes together money and the bank convinces them this can work out.
And then their fucking rates go through the roof.
And then they can't afford their house anymore.
Now they're fucked.
matt mccusker
Yeah, it is kind of a...
Like, once it's like the house is $400,000, even if you have good credit, you're like, how much am I going to pay?
It doesn't make any sense.
And they're like, over 30 years, you're going to pay $400,000 in interest.
And you're like, whatever, man.
shane gillis
You crying in front of that real estate thing was kind of...
That was one of our very close...
That was like our bonding story.
matt mccusker
Oh, yeah.
shane gillis
Him, like, sitting out there.
He said he was crying after a deal didn't go through and a guy drove by on a bike.
matt mccusker
No, that was...
shane gillis
Pussy.
matt mccusker
No, that was when I... That was when I got divorced.
I used to go every day to my house that I was living in when I was married and I'd walk the dog from my ex, my ex-wife, because, like, you know, she was at work and I didn't want to, like, you know, fuck her over.
You love the dog, too.
I fucking love the dog, bro.
The Akita.
Fuck, man.
I get choked up about that.
shane gillis
It's a great dog.
matt mccusker
My wife knows it.
She's like, how's the dog?
I go, don't fucking bring that up, dude.
shane gillis
Chances are this is going to reach that dog's ear.
matt mccusker
The what?
shane gillis
What you're saying right now.
matt mccusker
She showed me a picture the other day.
shane gillis
Your dog's at home right now.
It's going to go.
matt mccusker
Don't, dude.
Don't do it.
But yeah, I used to drive.
I would go there.
I'd walk the dog.
I'd walk through the house.
And I'd be like, God, I'm a fucking piece of shit.
Fuck.
Then I'd drive home and cry the whole way home.
And then I saw a guy jogging, and I was like crying in my car, and I was like, pussy, out of the window.
I called him a pussy.
I was trying to make myself feel better.
And he just looked at me like, what the fuck, dude?
unidentified
Yeah, we had the same sort of- I was like, nice shorts, pussy.
shane gillis
I bombed at helium.
I was driving back to our house, and there was just a finance bro on a bike.
And I was just driving by him, and I was like, pussy.
And I hit a red light, and I saw him flying, dude.
For like a mile, I saw this dude pedaling to catch up to me.
My windows were down, and I had a thought.
I was like, do I pull the window up?
I was like, no.
I get whatever he's about to give me.
I genuinely had that thought.
I was like, he deserves it.
Dude, he stuck his head in my window, and he goes, nice car, you fucking faggot.
And then I went, and we both started laughing, and he paddled away.
And I was like, yeah.
unidentified
He laughed?
He laughed.
joe rogan
Oh, that's funny.
shane gillis
I mean, as soon as he hit me with what he said, and I didn't react by like, yeah, right, I laughed.
I laughed.
When he said that, I was like, yo.
unidentified
Dude.
shane gillis
I can't believe you said that.
He hit me with like a...
unidentified
That's hilarious!
shane gillis
It was such a nice moment.
joe rogan
That's a good exchange.
shane gillis
It was a genuine nice exchange.
joe rogan
Yeah, like an aggressive exchange, but you both walked away feeling good.
unidentified
We both...
shane gillis
I, for no reason, I was just leaving Helium.
I saw a guy on a bike, and I was like, nice bike, fucking loser.
And he caught up.
He goes, nice piece of shit car, you fucking...
matt mccusker
We used to yell out of car windows constantly.
shane gillis
Yelling out of car, we used to live on Drexel's campus.
And it was back right when the woke stuff was starting.
It was the most fun shit in the world.
We'd leave open mics.
I'd be drunk just sitting out of a car.
We'd pull up to a light.
There'd be college students.
I'd be like, uh, excuse me?
Could you please check your privilege?
unidentified
Could you please check your fucking privilege?
shane gillis
It was so fun.
matt mccusker
The reactions were unbelievable.
They would get pissed.
It would confuse the fuck out of them.
Fuck you, dude!
joe rogan
Dude, this is a hilarious exchange with this dude who I guess is like this right-wing comedian.
He goes to one of these Ukraine protests and he brings a homeless guy and he says, my wife's boyfriend is homeless.
You know, why don't you help him and the homeless people here?
And this guy like legitimately tries to engage him.
Like, why are we sending all this money to Ukraine?
We have this homeless problem right here.
My wife's boyfriend's homeless.
And he's got this dude with his shirt off, and he's like shaking his cup with change in it, like, come on man, give me some money.
I'm like, we donate some money to him, and the guy like tries to engage about the problems with Ukraine, and we have a legitimate problem with Ukraine.
shane gillis
I mean, what else do you do?
joe rogan
But this guy is like that liberal.
That liberal robot zombie repeating shit that he saw on CNBC just saying it.
shane gillis
He's got no shot.
If somebody comes with a homeless dude and starts fucking with you, if they're a tag team, you and a homeless dude roll up and start fucking with people.
joe rogan
It's just funny watching this guy trying to engage with these liberal Ukraine talking points.
You know, what Russia has done...
Yeah, this is it right here.
Give me some volume on this.
matt mccusker
Oh my god.
joe rogan
Oh, it's uh...
unidentified
Look at this guy.
Yeah, but what about the homeless people right here in America?
Don't you think $100 billion to Ukraine is allowed?
In this case, I'm simply asking this of Congress.
Are you asking Congress for this?
Yeah, I think they should help the homeless instead of giving hundreds of billions of dollars to Ukraine.
Putin has been threatening to attack other countries, including the ISIS.
Do you have any money?
Do you want to give him any money?
joe rogan
Putin has been threatening to attack other countries, including the United States.
That's fucked up, dude.
Damn.
Hilarious.
That shit's hilarious.
Just watching that guy actually try to engage him.
Actually, Putin's been threatening to invade other countries.
shane gillis
Well, that guy's gone.
Anybody out there is gone.
matt mccusker
Yeah.
shane gillis
That guy's gone, too.
joe rogan
Well, the guy who's doing the video?
shane gillis
No, well, maybe, but the guy holding up a Ukrainian-American flag, that's an insane person.
matt mccusker
Yeah, kind of an altist, too, a little bit.
joe rogan
Oh, yeah.
matt mccusker
Or maybe not, though.
He might just be clammed up.
joe rogan
Something's wrong with him.
matt mccusker
What percentage of people do you think, like, genuinely can't think for themselves?
That is terrifying.
joe rogan
A lot of people can't think for themselves.
And not only that, but they've had jobs where they've been forced to, like, all day, every day, follow the rules, you know, listen to the boss, be told when to show up, what to do, and you just get into this drone mindset.
And then there becomes an ideology that everybody in your business shares.
And you have to share that ideology or you get pushed out into the fringes of the social group.
matt mccusker
Attachment stuff fucks people up.
joe rogan
It fucks people up.
unidentified
And then, you know, they say, well, a good way to get brownie points is to tell people I protested.
joe rogan
I protested.
matt mccusker
Yeah.
joe rogan
I'm going to show up.
I'm going to let everybody know that I'm with the cause.
matt mccusker
Yeah, the Milgram experiments were fucked up.
Like two-thirds of the people just let him, they were like, yeah, I'll just shock this guy.
joe rogan
What was the Milgram experience?
matt mccusker
That was the one where they were like, the guy in a lab coat would be like, turn up the voltage now.
Like a guy as an authority figure, he'd be like, turn it up now.
And then they'd be like, the guy would be like, no, hell, please, it hurts.
And the guys, the people would be like sweating and like, they didn't want to do it on some level, but for some reason they just kept obeying this guy.
Like if he was like an authority figure, he'd be like, do it.
shane gillis
He's doing a lab coat.
matt mccusker
Do it now, yeah.
You must do that.
He didn't yell or anything, like, you must do this.
And they were like, fuck, man.
And they were like, and only like two-thirds, I think only a third of the people went like, fuck this, dude, this is fucked up.
shane gillis
Yeah, they would make it so the guy in the other room would pass out or die.
matt mccusker
Yeah.
shane gillis
He would go from screaming and screaming and screaming, and then towards the end, the guy would be silent.
And he'd be like, shock him again.
These people off the street would be like...
matt mccusker
It was like an overwhelming amount of people would just obey this, mindlessly obey an authority figure.
joe rogan
Do you think that's some program shit from back when we were hunter-gatherers?
unidentified
Probably.
joe rogan
You just had to follow rules.
You didn't listen to the chief.
matt mccusker
Probably.
Because, yeah, if you got kicked out, you would die.
If they're like, you know, buzz off, you would die.
joe rogan
Yeah, there's a thing that people have where they look to authority.
That's why the Trump thing was so interesting.
Because he's this big, larger-than-life character that has confidence.
And he's telling you what's going on.
I'm your leader.
I'm the best leader.
Best one you've ever had.
And he's doing this, and everybody's like, yeah!
unidentified
Yes!
joe rogan
And you find out, like, the problems with the education system, the chickens have come home to roost, motherfucker.
matt mccusker
Oh, yeah.
Oh, yeah.
joe rogan
Because there's millions of dummies.
Millions and millions and millions and millions and millions of dummies in this country.
matt mccusker
It's fucked up.
joe rogan
They would take so much to boost them out of dummyhood.
So much.
matt mccusker
Yeah, you can't.
joe rogan
You could exploit them.
matt mccusker
You have to do kids.
You can't take adults and, like, shatter their worldview.
Or be like, two things can be true simultaneously.
The average is gonna go, what the fuck are you talking about, dude?
joe rogan
Some adults can handle it.
Some adults can grow.
But it's hard to grow when you're working all day.
And if you're working all day in a place where you have to follow the rules and you have to, like, stay in that mindset that we're talking about and be a part of that ideology, very hard to stray outside of it.
matt mccusker
Yeah.
joe rogan
Because who are you gonna tell?
Who are you going to pull aside?
If you're one of those right-wing Christian groups and you go, well, maybe if someone gets raped, they shouldn't have to carry a kid.
And then they all surround you.
You're talking about murdering.
Murdering an innocent human life.
matt mccusker
Murdering.
Your whole family is being like, we're going to fuck you up.
shane gillis
It's like the Westboro chick that got out of it.
joe rogan
Oh, yeah.
shane gillis
She was on this.
She was on fucking Howard Stern's Hollywood Squares.
matt mccusker
Really?
shane gillis
It's one of my favorite things.
You ever see those Hollywood Squares?
joe rogan
No.
Megan Phelps was on that?
shane gillis
Yeah, it was the Phelps.
I think their block was gay haters.
It was like them.
It was like Gilbert Gottfried, Daniel Carver.
One block was just called The Retards.
It was...
I mean, it was nuts.
Yeah, it was wild.
joe rogan
Look, what he did, I mean, look, people to this day, they make fun of Howard Stern because of who he is now and the way he behaves now.
That guy's the man.
He was the fucking pioneer.
When he was the king of all media and he was telling everybody to suck his dick and the FCC was going after him, the government was fining him.
shane gillis
Yeah.
joe rogan
They were finding his businesses fucking millions of dollars.
unidentified
Yeah.
joe rogan
And he was out there doing wild shit on the radio.
shane gillis
He was putting a Klansman on with fucking Young Thug.
joe rogan
And now he's woke.
It's crazy.
matt mccusker
Trick Daddy?
shane gillis
Trick Daddy.
matt mccusker
Yeah, he has to be, though, because, dude, the skeleton's that guy.
joe rogan
Yeah, look at this.
shane gillis
God hates.
matt mccusker
Oh, and she escaped.
shane gillis
No, there's also Hollywood Squares, but yes.
They used to bring them back all the time.
joe rogan
You know, what's interesting, too, is that when you talk to Megan Phelps, this woman who left the Westboro Baptist Church, and, you know, she wrote a book, and she's so kind, like, so normal and interesting, and she realized she had to get out, and she got out by meeting a guy on Twitter.
Yeah.
Some guy on Twitter was, like, arguing back and forth with her, and so she engages with this guy, and they start having, like, civil conversations, and then they meet, and they wind up marrying.
matt mccusker
What?
joe rogan
Yes.
shane gillis
I mean, she's a little...
joe rogan
She's very nice, man.
shane gillis
That's Bonk City, dude.
joe rogan
Yeah, but dude, she's very nice.
shane gillis
If you met her, she's super nice.
joe rogan
She's pretty, she's smart.
shane gillis
But she was raised in the Westboro Baptist Church.
For her to get out of that takes...
That's crazy.
Well, she knew it was hypocritical.
joe rogan
She was confronted by actual biblical lessons.
This guy would confront her with actual biblical stuff.
This is not what God said.
This is not what's in the Bible.
What they're doing, what Fred Phelps is doing, is wrong.
It's against Jesus' teaching.
And she's like showing.
matt mccusker
Damn.
And then he smashed.
shane gillis
And then he smashed her pussy with his penis.
Nice.
joe rogan
They probably got married first.
matt mccusker
For sure.
shane gillis
Almost definitely.
matt mccusker
Quickly.
shane gillis
But how nice was that sex?
matt mccusker
He was butting her up with the Proverbs, dude.
shane gillis
How nice was that sex?
matt mccusker
Baby, baby, baby.
shane gillis
Dude, while they're fucking just like, song of songs.
matt mccusker
8, 13. Yeah, that's pretty cool that he did that.
shane gillis
He got it out.
joe rogan
You could get sucked into anything.
If you're in it when you're young, you get indoctrinated.
I mean, that's how every fucking cult does it.
There's so many of them that can do it.
Voice of authority.
This is the rules.
Everybody follows the rules.
shane gillis
Next thing you know, you're drinking the fucking Kool-Aid.
You're literally like, fuck it, everyone else here is killing themselves.
matt mccusker
They got young kids badly, though.
Because they somehow hijacked the definition of being cool.
And it's like, you gotta love government and big corporations, and then you're cool.
And all the young kids now, a lot of them are fucking warped on it.
shane gillis
Yeah.
joe rogan
I don't think that's sustainable.
They're gonna get their dreams shattered over and over and over again, and they're gonna come out of it on the other side and realize they got fucked.
matt mccusker
Yeah.
joe rogan
But the putting your faith in the pharmaceutical drug companies and the government, and then the climate crisis crew that's trying to make money off that, all of it is just like, you're carrying water for people that have been stealing money forever.
Forever and ever and ever, on both sides.
On both sides.
shane gillis
Yeah.
matt mccusker
Yeah, for sure.
It's fucked up.
joe rogan
For fucking sure.
matt mccusker
It's fucked up.
joe rogan
They're all dirty.
That's why it's interesting when you watch this Biden thing.
It's like, oh, the machine's in motion.
matt mccusker
Oh, with the...
joe rogan
The machine to get rid of him is in motion.
shane gillis
All they gotta do to get rid of him is let him give an interview.
joe rogan
Well, they're letting him talk now.
shane gillis
It'll be gone.
joe rogan
They're letting him do this now.
They were hiding him through the entire...
You know, like, during the presidential campaign, remember when he was hiding?
Yeah.
Basically hiding.
He did one Adderall'd up debate...
shane gillis
Trump dog was adderalled up in the first one.
joe rogan
They're all adderalled up.
shane gillis
Trump dog was adderalled up.
He wouldn't shut the fuck up.
All he had to do to win the debate was shut the fuck up and let Biden talk.
joe rogan
He did a great job in the second one.
shane gillis
The second one he dominated.
matt mccusker
It was too late.
shane gillis
He acted like a fucking asshole in the first one.
The whole country saw it.
I was watching it like, dude, shut the fuck up.
Let Biden not be able to talk.
That's all you have to do.
matt mccusker
He'd just make facial expressions.
He could have just went...
joe rogan
The problem also, this is the real problem, the debate format is ridiculous.
If you are talking to someone who is going to be the President of the United States, and you have five minutes to say what you're saying, or 30 seconds, or a minute, whatever, any kind of time constraint like that is ridiculous.
When Lincoln used to give speeches, they would do it outside with no mic for hours.
They would talk for hours and hours and hours about what they wanted to do and how they wanted to do it.
And then people would sit there and listen to it.
And you get an understanding of what the fuck this guy's all about.
matt mccusker
You don't...
joe rogan
You're giving these, like...
Time is up, Mr. President.
Your time is up.
And he keeps trying to finish the sentence.
unidentified
No.
matt mccusker
How do they not have real-time fact-checking?
shane gillis
Well, they do, but now all of a sudden that's kind of weird.
joe rogan
Right, who does it?
Snopes?
shane gillis
Exactly.
They'll fact-check the one guy and not the other guy.
And then you're sitting there going, wait, is that true?
joe rogan
Well, a lot of things were fact-checked during COVID that turned out to actually be true.
And they were fact-checked as false.
And now we openly admit they're true.
matt mccusker
If they get caught lying during the thing, it should be like, no, that's actually false.
joe rogan
Yeah, but these independent fact checkers, a lot of the fact checks are very subjective, how they view the information.
matt mccusker
Yeah.
shane gillis
It's funny too, those debates could be good, but the only guys that are willing to speak up and say, there's one from Ron Paul in 08, that's like, damn, that was a good, that guy's, Yang would come up and make a good point.
The guys that are going to win don't even try to make a good point.
They're just up there like...
joe rogan
It would have been very interesting to see if Ron Paul won.
If Ron Paul won, that would have been very interesting.
That would have been very interesting.
shane gillis
I don't even think he was...
joe rogan
He was independent, right?
shane gillis
Yeah, but I don't even think he was...
He was nothing.
joe rogan
No, but his ideas about non-interventionalist foreign policy, like, it resonated with a lot of people.
Like, why are we the police of the world?
shane gillis
Dude, he gave that speech in a debate.
They're like, something about 9-11.
And he went off on, like, why do you think it happened?
He's like, why?
It was at a Republican convention where everyone was like, Boom, shut the fuck up.
They hate our freedom.
He's like, they don't fucking hate our freedom.
It was like a nice, it was like a good moment.
It ended his career.
Or his bid for the election, but it's pretty sick.
His son's a badass.
His son tried to give a speech.
joe rogan
His son is a badass.
shane gillis
You like Rand.
joe rogan
Yeah.
unidentified
Is that the guy who goes after Fauci?
matt mccusker
Yeah, that was the guy who was always attacking Fauci.
Well, he was right.
joe rogan
He was attacking him about gain-of-function research, and Fauci was just something lying.
matt mccusker
That was shady.
shane gillis
Why did Trump get him?
matt mccusker
Yeah, why'd Trump get ran?
shane gillis
Rand was in a debate, and he was like, I haven't gone after your looks at all.
And trust me, there's a lot of material there.
Rand's handsome!
unidentified
Rand's handsome!
shane gillis
And Rand Paul was just like, what?
joe rogan
My looks?
What are you talking about, man?
shane gillis
Trump just was like, you're fucking ugly.
I haven't made fun of you for being ugly.
I could if I wanted to.
unidentified
He's not even ugly!
shane gillis
I know, he's a normal dude.
joe rogan
To have that kind of confidence with that head of hair is preposterous.
Go after people's looks, and you're literally wearing a mirage.
shane gillis
Rand Paul was literally like...
Right, he didn't handle it.
joe rogan
Well, I think they would all approach it very differently now.
They're probably like, oh, next time I'll get him.
matt mccusker
Yeah, they've done it already.
joe rogan
2024, I'm gonna fuck him up.
matt mccusker
No, they've all got nasty.
shane gillis
In a soundbite debate, they could never come near him.
joe rogan
No.
He's a master performer.
shane gillis
Yeah.
joe rogan
I mean, he's a guy who's been speaking publicly forever.
Forever.
shane gillis
Yeah, and he's mean.
unidentified
Yeah, he's mean.
shane gillis
He'll go on and be like, yo, you're ugly as fuck.
joe rogan
And he has comedy timing.
matt mccusker
Yeah, he does.
Fuck.
joe rogan
He'd be in jail.
Boom.
shane gillis
That was...
joe rogan
Boom.
shane gillis
I mean, that was in a debate, and the crowd was like, ahhh.
joe rogan
Boom.
shane gillis
Because you'd be in jail.
matt mccusker
And you see the moment when he thinks of it.
His eyebrows kind of wiggle.
shane gillis
When he got Hillary Clinton.
It was when he got Rosie O'Donnell.
You could see him.
What's her name?
joe rogan
Kelly?
shane gillis
She's like asking.
She's like, I got you on this.
You've called women this.
You've called women this.
You can see him go.
And he adjusts the mic.
unidentified
As soon as he knows it, he goes...
shane gillis
Only Rosie O'Donnell.
There it is, dude.
unidentified
Got it.
Over.
Destroy.
joe rogan
What did she say, though, for the record?
megyn kelly
It was well beyond Rosie O'Donnell.
unidentified
Yes, I'm sure it was.
Yes, I'm sure it was.
Just somebody telling you facts and you're like, shut the fuck up.
joe rogan
It's also super hot lawyer, Megyn Kelly.
The prototype of the Fox, blonde, super hot assassin lady.
matt mccusker
Oh, God.
joe rogan
To me, they're the hottest.
Those super hot Republican ladies on Fox They're the hottest women alive.
shane gillis
I went to Mar-a-Lago.
joe rogan
They're so hot.
shane gillis
I went to Mar-a-Lago.
There was ten of them walking around.
They're just around.
joe rogan
Bro.
shane gillis
They're so hot.
joe rogan
They're the hottest women alive.
Those Foxbots?
matt mccusker
Foxbots.
shane gillis
They really are.
joe rogan
Well, they fucking sit there.
I had this whole bit about, like, Megyn Kelly is literally wearing a vagina curtain.
shane gillis
Yes.
joe rogan
I mean, it's not even a good curtain, like a blackout curtain you'd have in a theater.
It's like the little curtain grandma has over a kitchen window sill, where the window's open.
matt mccusker
The sun's shining through.
joe rogan
Whispers in the breeze.
shane gillis
The sun's coming through a little.
joe rogan
A small amount of cloth between that and her underwear, which is just this tiny little piece of cloth that's over her vagina.
shane gillis
Don't give me three, you're trying to give me heart.
joe rogan
Bro, you're not posing, guys.
They all have beautiful legs, and their whole leg is exposed.
No man could ever dress that way.
You see their feet, you see their toes, and their legs are crossed.
I mean, it's a preposterous way of dressing.
You have full cleavage, arms are exposed, there's so much skin.
matt mccusker
It's a weapon.
joe rogan
It is wild, though, the attire that women are allowed to wear in certain situations.
So sexual and compared to what men wear.
Men cover up, suit, a tie, and that's a man dressing nice.
A woman dressing nice.
You could see half of her tits, you see most of her legs, you see her feet, you see her toes, you see her painted little toes, perfect Perfect little feet.
Goddamn, Joe.
Long arms.
unidentified
Stop.
joe rogan
Flowing hair.
And she's wearing makeup.
unidentified
Full face.
shane gillis
I'm about to get in that fucking ice bath.
Let's go.
You better slow down.
matt mccusker
She's looking at you in the eyes like, I'm mad.
And you're like, fuck, I've been so fucking bad.
shane gillis
I know you're mad.
joe rogan
Lips of color that only exists in flowers.
matt mccusker
Yeah.
Did you ever get into super normal stimuli?
unidentified
What's that?
matt mccusker
How they trick butterflies into dedicating their whole lives.
shane gillis
Yeah, this is all I've ever wanted.
unidentified
We're fucked up.
shane gillis
For seven years.
This is the moment, dude.
I was wondering how he would do.
I knew you were going to do this, dude.
joe rogan
He sent me the longest fucking text message.
shane gillis
I was so afraid.
joe rogan
Like, bummed out that he's asking me to have you come along.
And I was like, yeah, for sure.
I know, but it was this long thing.
unidentified
No, it's not.
shane gillis
It was like eight texts.
matt mccusker
That's what kind of guy he is, dude.
It is risky, because you don't know.
You'd be like, this motherfucker's fucking changing my show.
joe rogan
Yeah, but he knows me.
shane gillis
I know, we're friends, but like, it's still like a, hey, you want me to bring another guy?
joe rogan
It's kind of, I know, let's go.
shane gillis
But I also knew, I knew in my heart of hearts, Matt would rise to the occasion and say things like, have you ever heard of super stimuli or whatever bullshit that was?
I knew it was in there.
matt mccusker
It's fucked up to think about because you can attract people, you can attract species to, you find what they're innately attracted to and you produce a version of that that's so pumped up nature can't reproduce it and it hijacks your biology.
shane gillis
Like Doritos.
joe rogan
Like fake tits?
matt mccusker
Yes, fake tits, Doritos.
They would get these butterflies that are like the deeper the shade of purple, like some type of butterfly.
The males would follow this.
They would go to that to like mate with the female.
They started getting these like dark purple construction papers.
These male butterflies would dedicate their whole lives to just like floating around this piece of paper and they'd die.
joe rogan
Oh.
matt mccusker
And then we have human beings who are getting hit with the same shit.
Like flavor-blasted goldfish?
That's outside of nature's capacity.
joe rogan
Right, that makes sense.
matt mccusker
And then you get hooked to the fake thing and it hijacks your biology and you're like, I want that.
joe rogan
Sour Patch Kids.
shane gillis
Yes, dude.
4-inch Doritos.
It's over.
joe rogan
I start eating Sour Patch Kids, I can't stop it.
I go, just one, just one.
And the next thing, I eat a bag of candy and I'm sitting there having a fucking diabetes attack.
matt mccusker
Dude, if you go into a convenience store, 99% of the shit is bad for you.
joe rogan
Yeah.
matt mccusker
It's bad for you.
joe rogan
You can get some beef jerky.
It's pretty good if you buy a bottle of water.
unidentified
That's it.
shane gillis
You gotta buy those hard-boiled eggs that are in a plastic bag at a gas station.
matt mccusker
That's if you got your head on straight.
joe rogan
That's actually a safe bet.
shane gillis
No, that's actually a safe bet.
joe rogan
The hard-boiled eggs are a pretty good bet.
You know why?
Because, first of all, you can keep eggs for a long time.
Eggs you could leave on a counter.
They don't go bad.
They're encased, right?
And then when they cook it, once they cook it, it's boiled all the way through, so you don't have to worry about salmonella.
Put that bitch in a fucking saran wrap.
shane gillis
I'm saying the...
But the societal repercussions of eating it publicly outweigh the nutritional.
Dude, I was with a guy who we were on a road trip.
He got in the car and started eating fucking eggs out of a plastic bag at a gas station.
joe rogan
That's me, bro.
shane gillis
I was like, we're done, dude.
unidentified
You and me.
joe rogan
Hard-boiled eggs.
That's me.
I would 100% eat that.
Not only would I eat that, I would be flocked to that.
I'd be like, ooh, that's what I'm looking for.
shane gillis
Peeled and ready to eat?
joe rogan
Perfect.
Let's go.
I'd eat five of those.
unidentified
I peeled it.
What the fuck?
shane gillis
This is out of control.
joe rogan
No preservatives.
matt mccusker
No preservatives.
Those are the worst.
joe rogan
Perfect.
You don't have to preserve them.
shane gillis
Those are the scary ones.
You go to a southern gas station.
joe rogan
I just bought a jug the other day.
I went to the gas station.
I was at the gas station and they had eggs with jalapenos in them.
I was like, oh, spicy boiled eggs?
Spicy pickled eggs?
Let's go.
matt mccusker
One of the farts, though.
joe rogan
Whatever.
matt mccusker
True.
joe rogan
They're terrible.
unidentified
It's whatever you want.
matt mccusker
That's exhaust flames, dude.
That's absolute exhaust flames.
unidentified
The most terrible fart in a Tesla is just eating fucking gas station eggs.
shane gillis
That's protein, dude.
joe rogan
The most terrible farts that I can make are pasta with, like, meat sauce.
If I have pasta with, like, sausage, with the tomato sauce and a giant bowl of spaghetti.
shane gillis
Oh, my God.
So I'll eat sausage or something before a show.
Now I'm drinking Bud Lights.
Now we're going into the show.
I'm burping in the front row.
It's an hour-long show.
I'm literally on stage going...
I see people in the front like...
joe rogan
How many times have you ever farted on stage and knew it was horrific?
unidentified
Never, dude?
matt mccusker
You farted on stage?
joe rogan
I farted on stage once.
shane gillis
It must have been so comfortable.
joe rogan
It was so bad.
I was so embarrassed.
I moved to a different part of the stage.
Pretend it wasn't me.
matt mccusker
Did you stop talking while you were farting or did you...
unidentified
I don't remember.
joe rogan
It was a long time ago, but I remember it was so bad that I was like, oh no, I gotta get away from this.
matt mccusker
Dude, I've been chasing that.
I've not been able to fart on stage.
I didn't think you could do it.
shane gillis
We've been discussing this.
matt mccusker
Dude, I'd go right to mic.
I'd go to mic and amplify.
shane gillis
You gotta fart into the mic.
joe rogan
Depends on what.
Joey did that before in the OR. He was in the middle of a bit.
Must've exploded.
So I'm talking this dude.
Hold on, hold on.
He goes, suka!
unidentified
Killed!
matt mccusker
It wasn't killed!
He stuck a microphone in his asshole!
joe rogan
And then you are next!
And you got his fucking forked ass!
shane gillis
Did it work?
Because the way I would imagine is the crowd going...
joe rogan
Oh, we died.
shane gillis
Like, people must have been like, what was that?
joe rogan
It was at the store in the OR. The store in the OR is basically doing stand-up in a prison colony.
It's like, the people are savages.
Like, they're so accustomed to, especially back then, they're so accustomed to just this wild comedy and Brian Holtzman and all these different fucking people going up slaying and talking about all kinds of crazy shit.
It's dark as fuck in there.
You can't see anything.
shane gillis
It's the best.
joe rogan
It was perfect.
shane gillis
That club today?
joe rogan
Yeah, it's a different animal.
shane gillis
Hopefully we can get that going.
joe rogan
Oh, yeah.
shane gillis
One of those types of rooms.
joe rogan
Yeah, I thought you meant that club, the store.
Yeah, how about that place?
It looks nice, right?
matt mccusker
Yes.
joe rogan
We're close.
shane gillis
If you can get a room like that where guys are farting in mics, I'm coming.
joe rogan
It's happening.
matt mccusker
This country might have a chance, dude.
joe rogan
We got a chance.
matt mccusker
That's the new Liberty Bell.
shane gillis
It actually might be the Liberty Bell.
joe rogan
It's the Alamo for comedy.
shane gillis
It really might be.
matt mccusker
Yeah, it is.
joe rogan
That's what Louis called it.
matt mccusker
The Alamo?
joe rogan
He said, you're building us an Alamo.
unidentified
Yeah.
shane gillis
Sweet Lou.
matt mccusker
It is fucked up, dude.
I mean, dude, it's literally the sign of totalitarian oppression to be like, yo, seriously, don't fucking joke about that.
joe rogan
Yeah, don't joke about that.
It's dangerous.
And people don't realize that, but people have realized that throughout history.
The Lakotas had a sacred person in their tribe called the Hayoka, who'd make fun of everything.
shane gillis
I would have fucking hated that.
Oh, that guy sucks ass, dude.
And he would hide behind it, too.
Like comedians.
It's just a joke.
You'd be like, Heyoka, dude, for real, stop.
unidentified
It would be like roast battle every day.
It would be like roast battle every day.
shane gillis
You're a shitty Indian.
You can't catch anything.
Every day the Hayoka stands up.
matt mccusker
If you fucked up, they'd give you a fucked up name.
It would be your name until you drew them wrong.
shane gillis
Fucking Empire of the Summer Moon.
joe rogan
Yeah.
shane gillis
Dude, their names were like Dog Pussy.
It wasn't as magical as we like to think it was.
It was like Dog Dick.
Come over here.
joe rogan
Well, when you read about what they did to each other, you're like, oh, Jesus Christ.
This idea that they were these peaceful people that were living together, living off the land, and everybody lived in harmony.
shane gillis
Maybe somewhere.
That's the thing.
But they didn't last.
joe rogan
It didn't seem like it.
Well, they got raided by the other ones.
shane gillis
Dog dick and his buddies would show up and fucking drag you and your kids off without hitting a horse.
joe rogan
They would go on raids just like the Vikings did.
They were raiders.
The Comanches especially, the people that lived here, they were raiders.
That's what they did.
They'd get together in giant groups of horses.
And the other thing they would do that's fucked up, they caught guys.
They caught guys slipping like some US guys were trying to make their way across.
They would cut their horses loose in the middle of the night.
And so they would stampede their horses out so they'd never get their horses back, and then they would slowly follow them from a distance while they starved to death.
matt mccusker
Jesus, man.
joe rogan
They would watch them and mock them.
So they'd be on horseback at the top of a ridge just, you know, a few hundred yards away, laughing at them.
And these dudes are walking.
No water.
Don't know where they're going.
No horses.
shane gillis
This is a guy from fucking Pittsburgh.
Just walking.
unidentified
Just walking.
shane gillis
God damn it.
I've been to a baseball game.
joe rogan
Just wanted to pay for education.
shane gillis
Yeah.
joe rogan
The government was going to pay for his college.
It's like, this is great.
Great deal.
matt mccusker
Goddamn.
joe rogan
Now my hair was starving to death in the planes.
shane gillis
Yeah.
joe rogan
And you don't see shit.
You're just walking.
It's just flat forever.
shane gillis
Yeah, it's shit.
joe rogan
It's flat forever.
shane gillis
Planes suck.
joe rogan
There's no houses out there.
This is the early days.
No one had even moved there yet.
shane gillis
That was the scariest part of that book about the Donner Party where there was like...
The scary part about crossing the plains was like a kid would get off the wagon and like walk.
They'd be lost immediately.
The grass was high enough.
You'd lose a kid.
And you couldn't stop.
You'd be like, one of the kids gone.
They'd be lost.
It was a desert with grass that was up to here.
So children were just gone.
There were snakes.
Everything sucked.
joe rogan
Everything sucked.
shane gillis
Wolves.
A dog came and ate your family.
joe rogan
A pack of them.
unidentified
Just a bunch of dogs carried your sister off.
matt mccusker
Your mom dies from diarrhea.
shane gillis
Everyone's diarrhea, dude.
matt mccusker
Oh my god.
shane gillis
You didn't know where it should go.
Everyone was just shitting around the camp, drinking out of the water.
Birds are falling.
Birds are going at you.
joe rogan
You don't have time to boil the water, so just drink out of the creek.
shane gillis
Shit blows.
joe rogan
Dysentery.
shane gillis
Now all of a sudden, Indian fucking Comanches start following you.
joe rogan
Yeah.
And they follow you slowly.
They let you know you're around.
shane gillis
They're like, we're going to rape you in about a week.
joe rogan
Yeah.
God damn it.
shane gillis
Your wife's nagging.
joe rogan
Slowly circle you.
You're not even going to fight them off.
unidentified
Look at them.
shane gillis
That's a man.
joe rogan
Oh no.
matt mccusker
Imagine the sourpuss on one of your wagon wheels brakes and you're like, how the fuck do I fix this again?
shane gillis
You have no idea what you're doing.
matt mccusker
What a sourpuss, dude.
joe rogan
Your wheels are made out of wood.
shane gillis
Explode.
joe rogan
You're making your way across the entire country on wheels made out of wood.
With horses pulling you.
And you hope the horses stay alive.
Because you only got a few of them.
shane gillis
And a full family.
joe rogan
Full family.
With kids.
shane gillis
And then you'd have a kid.
joe rogan
Oh yeah, along the way.
shane gillis
The wife would get pregnant on the way.
matt mccusker
Obviously, yeah.
shane gillis
Obviously.
matt mccusker
Obviously, dude.
joe rogan
Well, that Cynthia Ann Parker story, the woman who was nine years old, when her whole family was slaughtered, and they would take the young ones and integrate them into the tribe, because the Comanche lost a lot of children, a lot of mothers while they were pregnant.
Baby Navy never came to term because they were riding horses, and they're bouncing around all the time, and they're fucking...
You know, a lot of impact.
So their populations, it was very important to keep a high population.
So they would bring in people that they captured.
matt mccusker
That's what the Amish do.
unidentified
As long as they were young.
matt mccusker
That's what the Amish do?
I've heard.
joe rogan
They go on raiding programs?
matt mccusker
I've heard they snag kids.
shane gillis
They'll come down to Mechanicsburg.
They'll raid us.
matt mccusker
I've heard.
If they see, like, a mom all drunk and fucked up, I've heard.
I don't want to slur the Amish, but I've heard they'll fucking...
joe rogan
Really?
matt mccusker
Yeah, they need some new blood, man.
joe rogan
You really heard this?
matt mccusker
I have heard this.
If you...
I've heard from people...
joe rogan
What bar was...
matt mccusker
My brother's boy.
It's a fun thing to say.
joe rogan
It's a fun thing to say.
matt mccusker
It's like folklore.
shane gillis
It's nice having the Amish.
I like having the Amish where we're from.
matt mccusker
Me too.
shane gillis
That's what separated us growing up.
It was you where you lived, Amish country, me.
matt mccusker
Now we'd have the Amish.
joe rogan
What's that thing they get to do when they turn into...
unidentified
Rumspring.
matt mccusker
Rumspring, dude.
shane gillis
They get to stay on Rumspring as long as they want.
joe rogan
And then they can come back.
shane gillis
It's not like a year.
It's as long as they want.
joe rogan
And then they come back.
shane gillis
You can be like 38 and be like, alright, Rumspring is done.
joe rogan
Whoa.
shane gillis
Yeah.
matt mccusker
But your parents will shun you.
unidentified
Oh, really?
matt mccusker
If they can't talk to you, yeah, you can get shunned real hard.
If you fuck up real bad, people, everyone you know, just won't talk to you.
joe rogan
But how do you even know?
matt mccusker
They block you, basically.
joe rogan
They're not on social media.
matt mccusker
They block you.
joe rogan
They don't have phones.
How do they even know if you're upset?
shane gillis
Yeah, just old school accusations.
Just like, dude, he smells like booze.
matt mccusker
Yep, or if you go like, alright mom, like one time.
joe rogan
That's not what I mean.
I mean, like, how do you even know if they're mad at you?
You're not around them.
matt mccusker
Oh, no, not if you're not on Rumspringer.
Like, that's a big thing in the Amish community.
joe rogan
Right, but what I'm saying is, how do they know the parents are mad if they're out running around because the parents don't have phones?
shane gillis
No, they don't.
joe rogan
So they can't call you.
shane gillis
Pure Rumspringer.
He's saying when you get back, if you fuck up within the community, you will get shunned.
matt mccusker
Yeah, everyone will stop talking to you.
It's like a punishment they do.
For how long?
I don't know.
I think they'll do it for a while.
You'll come and be like, hey mom, and she'll just go turn her back.
Hey dad, hey Paul.
Hey Paul, he'll go.
joe rogan
Hardcore.
shane gillis
I like that though.
matt mccusker
Then I'd go to my room and fucking fap, dude.
Just whack off.
I'd take off my Huckleberry Finn pants and be like, nice.
joe rogan
But you have to do it to memory.
matt mccusker
True, but I mean.
joe rogan
You have to fap only to memory.
matt mccusker
I mean, you probably got some rich databanks, dude.
joe rogan
They probably have some drawings they can show you.
shane gillis
I bet those dudes, dude, it doesn't matter how religious you are.
If you're a young boy trying to whack off, you're getting your hands on something.
Those boys got a hold of some porn, dude.
joe rogan
Who's ever gone the longest in the 20th century jacking off just on memory?
matt mccusker
Dude, I haven't watched porn since August.
joe rogan
That's not that long.
matt mccusker
That's pretty fucking long, dude.
unidentified
You do it, dude.
joe rogan
That's not that long.
shane gillis
People do that accidentally, dude.
unidentified
What?
joe rogan
That's normal.
matt mccusker
I was having dreams about it.
joe rogan
You're having dreams about porn?
matt mccusker
Yeah, when I first stopped, dude, I was having dreams about porn.
Dude, it was hard.
That was tough for me to stop doing.
joe rogan
What made you want to stop porn?
matt mccusker
Thought about getting caught because I've gotten caught before by my wife, which you know, whatever fair game But like I thought about getting caught by my kids.
joe rogan
I'm like, I'm definitely gonna get caught and I went I'm stopping this now Yeah, yeah, you're stopping now guy when you see a problem stopping now with drug dealings stopping now from jerking off Yeah, I'm still fat.
What about when you go to a hotel room though, bro?
shane gillis
See that's the thing, bro When we're done this...
joe rogan
That's the thing.
But then do you bust out the porn?
matt mccusker
No, then I wanted to so badly today.
That's the final frontier.
Not looking at the porn in the hotel room is tough.
shane gillis
It's impossible.
matt mccusker
Only I'll know, but I can't.
I can't do it.
shane gillis
That's the first...
matt mccusker
If I do it, I'll tell people.
shane gillis
That's the thing, though.
joe rogan
But you can't get caught.
You said your worry was that you were going to get caught.
matt mccusker
Yeah, but also I've been a big hardo about being like, I quit porn.
I've said it in public, so now if I go back on it, I'm going to get crushed.
joe rogan
You're a prisoner to your statements.
matt mccusker
Yeah, but also, it's not bad.
Once you stop, it is easy.
You're like, oh yeah, I don't need it.
I don't need to do that.
joe rogan
Sounds like a guy who needs it.
shane gillis
I think it does.
He keeps talking to me about this, and every time I'm like, who cares?
matt mccusker
It's a mental challenge, dude.
shane gillis
I genuinely don't think about it or care about it.
joe rogan
Some dudes get addicted to it.
shane gillis
Yeah, but I live with my girlfriend.
I don't watch porn when we're together.
I was home the last two weeks.
I didn't whack off once to porn.
matt mccusker
I've been known to slink off, dude.
shane gillis
As soon as I got to this hotel in Austin.
unidentified
Yeah.
shane gillis
It was time.
You forget how good porn is, dude.
You look at it, you're like, yo!
What is she?
She got stuck.
unidentified
There's eight of them that hurt?
She's stuck in the dryer.
shane gillis
That shit rules.
unidentified
You forget, dude.
joe rogan
How many girls get stuck under the bed looking for an earring?
matt mccusker
Dude, it's not a moral grandstand.
It's just I want to build my willpower.
My willpower is weak.
joe rogan
No, it's not, dude.
matt mccusker
It's weak, dude.
shane gillis
You got nice willpower.
joe rogan
But you quit selling drugs and you quit watching porn.
You have good willpower.
shane gillis
You have great willpower.
matt mccusker
It took a while.
And also, it took some bad events.
joe rogan
Yeah, but you did quit.
That's what willpower is about.
shane gillis
Also, he's discussed what type of porn he's into.
joe rogan
What kind?
matt mccusker
I was just into everything, brother.
I went down some dark alleys.
joe rogan
What's the darkest?
matt mccusker
The T's, brother.
The T's.
shane gillis
The T's?
matt mccusker
The T's, brother.
shane gillis
The fucking T-100s.
joe rogan
T-100s?
What's that?
What are you talking about?
unidentified
The T's.
shane gillis
What's the Terminator?
T-1000?
matt mccusker
Yeah.
shane gillis
He ran into some T-1000s.
matt mccusker
The boys and the girls.
When the boys become girls.
shane gillis
When the boys become girls and the boys...
joe rogan
Oh, the T's.
Trans.
shane gillis
He liked the T's.
joe rogan
That could be an issue.
shane gillis
He didn't like it.
matt mccusker
Joe, I'll tell you, it is.
joe rogan
You don't want to get caught with that stuff.
matt mccusker
Well, here's the thing.
It's just a ramping up of, like, talking about supernormal stimuli, dude.
That's why I'm so passionate about that.
It's like, your brain, you need, like, the edge.
This was my problem with it.
I didn't have a drug problem.
I could never, like, stop drugs or whatever.
But then it's like, you get the blood flowing on sex stuff.
It's like, that's not getting it flowing.
You go to, like, something a little bit more kind of out there.
And then you finally, you land on those shores and you go, my God.
My God, where have I gone?
Try to assemble the raft, it's all fucked up.
shane gillis
One of our first episodes is he's explaining, he watches it, and I was like, what the fuck?
And then he was like, give it a shot.
So I was like, I'm open-minded.
I tried to whack off the T-Porn.
I opened it.
First things first, I'm watching a dude, like you can see his clavicles while he's fucking, or her.
You know what I mean?
I could see the clavicle.
I was just like, ew, dude.
I turned it off immediately.
I can't believe how you're into that.
matt mccusker
I have a strong imagination.
I have a strong imagination.
shane gillis
That's disgusting.
matt mccusker
I have a strong imagination.
No, I'm honest though, dude.
I was like, this is fucked up.
shane gillis
I saw one fucking dude on top with tits, but you could still see the clavicle and the Adam's apple, and I was like...
matt mccusker
You sought that out, dude.
You sought that out.
shane gillis
I don't know which ones to search.
matt mccusker
I know, I'm fucking around.
But, I will say, dude, I'm telling you, it's a silent epidemic, dude.
I'm not projecting this onto the masses.
shane gillis
It's a silent epidemic?
matt mccusker
I believe so.
shane gillis
Dude's into T's?
matt mccusker
Yes.
I truly believe so.
I truly believe so.
Actually, no, if you read the book, what is it, fucking A Billion Wicked Lies, A Billion Wicked Thoughts, where they crunch the fucking metadata from the internet, and it's like, it's due with numbers, dude.
joe rogan
Someone's crunching the metadata on trans porn?
matt mccusker
On all porn.
All porn.
unidentified
Dude.
joe rogan
That sounds like one of those Pfizer studies.
They try to find the right result.
shane gillis
Matt, stop acting serious right now.
unidentified
Matt, what are you doing?
shane gillis
You're pretending to be serious about this.
joe rogan
He's crunching metadata with a pen in his hand.
He's got a pen in his hand and he's fucking hovering it over the paper.
He's talking about metadata.
shane gillis
He's waited so long to be on this show.
And now he's here and he's like, I'm telling you, they crunched numbers on T-Porn.
matt mccusker
We didn't have to bring this up!
shane gillis
I like it, dude.
matt mccusker
It is good.
It is good.
It's a jolt of electricity.
Dude, it's your fucking sexuality at stake, and I'm fucking hetero as hell.
joe rogan
I get it, bro.
matt mccusker
But it's like, bro, I got it.
joe rogan
I believe you.
unidentified
Thank you.
joe rogan
I know a lot of people listening are not going to believe you.
matt mccusker
I need to hear that from you right now, jokes.
I'm in a dark place about that.
shane gillis
Bro, how nice would it be to get back to the hotel and just T-porn it up?
matt mccusker
No, I'm telling you, I'm not making it up.
You go off of it, you kind of de-escalate the fucking dopaminergic drive towards more and more of crazy...
And then you go...
Yeah, I'm cool on that.
shane gillis
No shit.
That's what everyone does.
They look at it and go, whoa, no.
joe rogan
You can just go to a karma-free stepmom type porn where you got a 45-year-old lady.
She's banging a 20-year-old college student.
The college student's in town.
Dad goes to work.
Oh, my neck hurts.
Could you give me a massage?
shane gillis
The coolest shit possible?
joe rogan
The 20-year-old kid doesn't want to do it.
He's kind of fucked up.
My dad would be upset.
He doesn't have to know.
Can you rub my lower back?
unidentified
Yeah.
shane gillis
Yo.
joe rogan
You know that hot 45-year-old who your dad isn't fucking anyway.
shane gillis
That's what she says.
She says he never fucks me.
joe rogan
See, isn't that better?
matt mccusker
So much bigger than him.
It's so much better, but I'm saying when you, like, some guys can't drink.
shane gillis
You're so much bigger than him.
It's so much better.
matt mccusker
Some guys, some guys can't drink.
Some guys can't drink because they stay out on like, I can't, dude.
I just fucking.
joe rogan
You couldn't do one bump.
When we were talking to William Montgomery, we were talking to William Montgomery in the green room last night, and William Montgomery's been off of coke and booze for quite a long time, and they showed a picture of him when he was fat and drunk, and I was like, one bump of coke.
shane gillis
How bad would it hurt you?
joe rogan
I go, maybe you should get back a little bit.
Every now and again.
And you can see, like, look at his face, like, am I kidding?
Don't do it!
I'm like, don't do it.
matt mccusker
You're doing great.
You guys have the same playbook.
You guys have the same playbook.
That's my favorite thing to watch.
You go, come on, man.
You'd be all right.
It's the funniest shit.
shane gillis
It's actually something I've got to stop doing.
matt mccusker
It's pretty funny, though.
joe rogan
Why?
Have you ever talked to anybody into doing something dark?
shane gillis
Every single time Adam Egett comes out with me, me and him get fucked up.
joe rogan
He's trying to not drink.
shane gillis
And he's like, I don't want to relapse.
I'm like, dude, stop saying relapse.
You drink.
Every time.
He's like, I don't want to relapse.
I'm like, what are you talking about?
joe rogan
When he's in the green room, we always offer him a drink.
He's like, no, no, no.
shane gillis
Oh, I forgot to tell you.
This is what he did yesterday.
It was Adam Eget's birthday.
And he spent the day, I texted him earlier, and he was playing Madden, and he was winning 150 to nothing.
matt mccusker
What?
shane gillis
He was running the score up on the computer on the easiest level.
unidentified
God.
joe rogan
Just to be a winner on his birthday?
shane gillis
On his birthday.
I mean, it was the weirdest, kind of the saddest fucking thing I've ever heard.
joe rogan
He's a great guy.
shane gillis
He's the man, but he told me it was his birthday.
matt mccusker
Dude.
shane gillis
And he was literally at his house, in his apartment, playing Madden on the easiest level, running up the score.
matt mccusker
We needed him.
shane gillis
Against the computer.
joe rogan
When I first started talking about doing a club out here, he was the first guy I called.
shane gillis
He's the best.
joe rogan
I didn't call anybody else.
He was the first guy I called.
matt mccusker
Yeah, he's a man.
joe rogan
I called him, I said, I got a plan.
As soon as I escaped LA, I was like, hey Adam, what are you doing?
I'm like, I got a plan.
shane gillis
He's the best.
Oh, what, Joe?
He talks like Norm.
He's got a little Norm.
He's very nice.
matt mccusker
Such a nice dude, too, man.
joe rogan
He's the best.
I've known that dude forever.
He was one of the reasons why I went back to the store in the first place.
I knew him from the Tempe Improv.
He used to work at the Tempe Improv back in the day when I would roll through, and then he showed up one day at the Improv and had a conversation.
Come back to the store.
shane gillis
He is the fucking man.
joe rogan
I love that.
I'm like, you're there now?
I go, you're there now.
shane gillis
Huh.
joe rogan
He's like, it's different now.
Come back.
matt mccusker
He's so funny.
He's funny, too.
joe rogan
He's got a great eye for comedy.
He's going to be an amazing creative director.
He'll know the good guys that have potential.
He'll know what they're doing wrong.
He'll be able to get them good spots and help them figure it out.
We could have a great crop of people here.
We've got a great crop of young guys.
shane gillis
I never considered really moving down here until I just got my taxes.
I was instantly like, dude, Austin rules.
For real.
I was like, dude, I'm not moving.
I love New York.
One season of actually making money.
One year of making money.
I was like, what the fuck?
joe rogan
You can always visit New York.
shane gillis
I know.
joe rogan
Yeah, that's what I like to do.
I like to go to New York, hang out there for a few days, go to the restaurants, do some shows, get the fuck out.
shane gillis
Yeah.
joe rogan
I never lived in the city, though.
shane gillis
I actually truly haven't either.
I live in Queens and I'm never home.
I do the road everywhere.
joe rogan
I lived in New Rochelle because I needed a parking spot because I did the road so much.
I always had a car, so I needed a car.
I couldn't afford to live in the city and also afford a parking spot.
Hundreds of bucks a month.
shane gillis
Yeah, I just have an apartment in New York where I play video games three days of the week.
joe rogan
Nice.
shane gillis
That's it.
Other than that, I'm on the road or doing shows at night.
If I'm home, I'm like, I'm just going to hang out.
joe rogan
Queens, huh?
shane gillis
Yeah.
joe rogan
How do you get in?
shane gillis
To the city?
I Uber.
joe rogan
Really?
shane gillis
Now, yeah.
joe rogan
You don't take a train?
shane gillis
I used to, but it's like 45 minutes an hour.
joe rogan
Oh.
How long's the Uber?
shane gillis
25 minutes.
joe rogan
Ah.
How weird conversations do you have?
shane gillis
Never.
Headphones.
Also, they're New York Uber drivers.
They're not down to talk.
They're not talking.
joe rogan
I remember when they were so mad that Uber showed up.
The cab drivers were so fucking mad.
And now all you see is Uber.
You see so few cabs.
The numbers are down.
I wonder what the actual numbers are.
But the visual numbers.
There used to be cabs everywhere.
Most of the traffic was cabs.
And now you drive around and you're like, what a weird system, right?
Like, we'll drive you.
unidentified
Yeah.
joe rogan
You don't need to drive.
Just get in and tell me where you're going.
matt mccusker
Yeah, Philly made Uber pay them like $250,000 a year, because they sell, they call them taxi medallions, so you have to buy a license, and the licenses were worth a lot of money.
And then once Uber came in, it's like a liquor license, but for driving taxi cabs.
joe rogan
Right.
matt mccusker
And they just plummeted.
They're almost worthless now.
unidentified
Wow.
matt mccusker
So then the Philadelphia Parking Authority owns the cabs, and they're like, you gotta pay $250,000.
shane gillis
You don't like them, do you?
matt mccusker
No.
It's fucked up.
joe rogan
Uber?
matt mccusker
No, no, no.
Uber's fine.
Philadelphia Parking Authority.
PPA. Dude, we have a fucked up thing going on there.
joe rogan
What's going on?
matt mccusker
They'll just- if you get parking tickets, they'll just come snag your car.
And like the parking t- they double in value- it's really fucked up.
Then they just sell your car.
unidentified
What?
matt mccusker
And then they charge you money.
I've gotten like two cars taken.
unidentified
What?
Fucking- They're like $500 cars.
joe rogan
$500 cars.
matt mccusker
They would take them and I'd just go, fuck you guys.
One time I went back, because you had to write like, you could go get your valuables out of your car before they sold it at auction.
So I went back and you had to fill out a piece of paper of what was in there and I put like a giant dildo.
And I put all this stuff and they had to take it back to their guy and have it written off on us.
shane gillis
Pretty tight.
Suck our dicks, PPA. Yeah, fuck you guys.
matt mccusker
Yeah, but they'll take your shit and just...
Repossess it, and then...
joe rogan
How many tickets do you have to have before they take your car?
matt mccusker
Now it's like two or three, dude.
unidentified
What?
matt mccusker
Yes.
joe rogan
So you have a BMW. You got a new BMW. Yes.
You get two or three tickets you don't pay, and they put a boot on you, and they take your car.
matt mccusker
Yes.
And then they charge you every day they have it.
And then you can go back and basically buy it.
You can pay them.
They hold it hostage.
You can pay them to take the boot off and they won't tow it.
But if you're late, they'll tow it.
And then you've got to go down to a lot.
You've got to call a bunch of people, figure out where your car is.
And then you go down there and you pay for them and they give it back to you.
Now if you don't pay it back in time, then they sell it off at auction.
They get a ton of money doing it.
And they can also do a thing where they've taken my dad's car where my brother owed money.
Because they had the same name.
And they're just like, sorry dude, it is what it is.
You've got to pay us and come get your car.
Dude, it's criminal.
joe rogan
Even if it's not your car?
Your kid's car?
matt mccusker
Yeah, but they both have the same first name, so they're like, oh, it was a mistake, but they're like, you still gotta pay, and it's like, you know, like, fuck it.
joe rogan
You still gotta pay even though it's a mistake?
matt mccusker
You can't, there's nobody you can talk to.
It's the Wizard of Oz.
You go up to, like, blacked-out glass and just talk to a lady who's just like...
shane gillis
$365.
Dude, I got my car towed when we were filming Gillian Keyes.
I was supposed to be on set.
I walked to my car in the morning.
Car's gone.
Go out there.
It is...
I had to go to, like, a dock.
matt mccusker
Yeah, dude.
shane gillis
The car was just behind, like, an old warehouse.
I had to talk to...
Behind the glass, there was just a black lady.
I was like, hey, where's my car?
She was like, get out!
She was, like, screaming at me.
It was a battle.
matt mccusker
It's crazy, man.
shane gillis
I thought that story I was going to tell would be better.
matt mccusker
No, when you go down there, it's like a barbed-wired fucking fence, and you go in, and someone's mean as fuck.
It's crazy the way they do it.
And then they control all the parking in the city.
They're bad.
And apparently, from what I've heard, the money doesn't even go to the city of Philadelphia.
It actually goes to some GOP. It goes to the state, weirdly, or part of it goes to the state.
If you try to look up the PPA, they say it's a quasi-governmental agency.
So when you try to follow where their money goes...
It's kind of really hard.
joe rogan
Should we Google this, or we should just take your way for it?
matt mccusker
Look it up.
Look it up.
Yeah, look it up again.
joe rogan
Seems like that one we might want to substantiate.
matt mccusker
Yeah, true.
If I'm wrong, I'm wrong.
But fuck them anyway, but...
unidentified
Dude, I've been beefing with the PPA. Fuck the PPA. I've been beefing with the PPA forever.
joe rogan
If I'm wrong, I'm wrong, but fuck them anyway.
matt mccusker
Fuck those guys, dude.
shane gillis
Yeah, they are posting these, dude.
matt mccusker
They took my 88 Camry, dude.
Me and my brother bought twin Camrys for a thousand bucks.
We bought two 88 Camrys off this old lady, and we were bopping around together.
joe rogan
She had two?
Why'd she have two?
matt mccusker
I had no idea.
shane gillis
You guys got matching Camrys.
matt mccusker
Matching cameras, bro.
88 cams.
We were buzzing around.
joe rogan
It was the same old lady that got crushed by Vince McMahon.
shane gillis
That was you and your brother.
You and your brother powerbombed her.
joe rogan
Took your cameras.
That fucking lady went down hard, bro.
That can't be good.
shane gillis
When you get a ticket from the PPA or any of that, when you're fucking, like when we lived together, I had zero dollars.
If I got one ticket, I was bankrupt.
One ticket.
I had zero dollars.
unidentified
I hated them, bro.
joe rogan
I know those times.
Yeah.
By law, all PPA's on-street operations net revenue is allocated to the city's general fund of Philadelphia School District.
unidentified
Wrong.
shane gillis
Bullshit.
matt mccusker
No, it's bullshit.
joe rogan
On-street operations revenue is generated from meter payments, permit fees, parking fines, vehicle auction proceeds, and booting and towing fees.
matt mccusker
They had a thing where they weren't giving the schools money.
At least I thought I saw a thing where the schools were like...
joe rogan
It says it brings in 265...
Go back to that?
No, it's bullshit.
It's their fucking website.
shane gillis
It's their website.
joe rogan
264 million dollars a year in annual revenue.
Just from Philadelphia from parking tickets.
264 million in fucking parking tickets.
shane gillis
You tell me that's going to those schools in Philly?
matt mccusker
Look at the Inquirer.
Overpays executives and has too many political...
shane gillis
Yeah.
matt mccusker
Uh-huh.
Exactly.
Oh, it turns out the PPA's website might not be telling the total fucking story.
unidentified
Hmm.
joe rogan
Let's see what it says.
shane gillis
Fuck the PPA, Matt.
matt mccusker
Fuck.
I can't stand him.
If someone takes your 88 Camry, dude, you'll be fucking salty.
shane gillis
Yeah, you're never gonna let it go.
You're gonna wait till you get on the highest platform on earth and go, fucking pieces of shit.
joe rogan
Well, when you get incentivized to have that much revenue coming in every year, what if nobody parked bad ever again?
What if everybody did the right thing, everybody paid the meter, and all that $264 million dried up?
What the fuck do they do now?
That's the problem.
There's an incentive to catch people.
shane gillis
I can't even read those signs.
Anytime I try to park, it's like Monday through Friday, 8 to 6, trash.
joe rogan
They go over those things with fucking 1,000 grits.
matt mccusker
And they also will get you for inspection.
If your inspection's up, they'll take you every single day.
unidentified
Really?
matt mccusker
Yes.
joe rogan
Wow.
matt mccusker
Motherfuckers, bro.
unidentified
Yeah.
matt mccusker
But they had a problem.
One time, there was a gap in what they were supposed to pay the schools, and they had to be like, oh.
joe rogan
So what does it say here?
2007, Parents United, a Philadelphia parent group that fights for school reforms, successfully sued the PPA for failing to pay the city and school district under its 2004 obligations.
During these years, the PPA was technically in breach of its agreement with the state and greedily withheld money that it owed.
shane gillis
Greedy PPA, dude.
joe rogan
I like how it says greedily.
Yeah.
matt mccusker
It's pretty, yeah.
But either way, I mean, I'll stop talking about that.
shane gillis
No, I like it.
joe rogan
It's alright, dude.
I like when people are mad.
shane gillis
Yeah, it's pretty funny.
joe rogan
It's fun.
shane gillis
Especially when he gets parking tickets.
joe rogan
Well, it is a fucking gross thing when you're poor.
Yeah.
You can't even just leave your car somewhere.
shane gillis
This guy followed me to Sheetz in my Corolla.
And he got me.
He's at the gas station.
He stayed and ran my plate just because I was driving a poor person car.
And he followed me out of the gas station and then pulled me over.
It was like, your registration's expired.
All this stuff's expired.
And I was like looking at it.
It was me and I was with a dog.
A dog was shotgun.
And I was like, this ruins me.
Literally, I have zero dollars.
You give me a $180 ticket, I'm fucked.
I mean, I was kind of like, are you serious?
Are you serious about this?
Like, I'll go get it, please.
It was my inspection.
He was like, nah.
He was young, too.
He was like my age.
joe rogan
That's what their job is, though.
shane gillis
No, I know.
I wasn't mad at him.
I mean, I was mad at him just because I had zero dollars.
joe rogan
What's fucked is they have quotas.
shane gillis
Yeah.
joe rogan
Yeah.
And cops have quotas for pulling people over in certain places.
And it's kind of like unspoken.
It's not like written on paper in some places because it's not technically legal.
But I've talked to a lot of cops.
You have to make a certain amount of revenue.
You're basically a glorified revenue collector.
shane gillis
Yeah.
joe rogan
Pulling people over and making money for the state.
unidentified
You're not stopping any fucking real crimes doing that.
matt mccusker
No, it's fucked up.
And they call it activity.
They'll be like, you're low in activity.
We need some...
Yeah, it's fucked up.
joe rogan
What if everybody followed the rules?
Imagine that.
matt mccusker
What if?
joe rogan
I mean, would they still keep cops around like they have a fireman?
Like if there's no...
matt mccusker
For sure, dude.
joe rogan
They have to have a fireman.
You know, because fire can break out.
You might not have a fire for five years.
What are you going to do?
Disband the fire department?
matt mccusker
Yeah.
Yeah, they'll be here.
And you need them, but yeah, the speed trap stuff.
shane gillis
Of course.
matt mccusker
I like the bros.
shane gillis
I do.
Obviously, we support the blue.
matt mccusker
Yeah, I've come around on those guys.
I like them, man.
Almost now, I'm looking forward to getting pulled over just so I can talk shop with them and be like, guys...
shane gillis
I mean, now that I can afford a ticket, you got me.
Good stuff.
matt mccusker
I love what you guys are doing.
I was just trying to get your attention.
joe rogan
You know what's fucked?
Those cameras where they were catching people, running red lights, and giving them tickets, and it turns out the money wasn't even, it was like a privately owned company.
shane gillis
Oh, really?
joe rogan
Yeah.
Those were not real tickets.
matt mccusker
It's like the PPA. PPA owns that, too, by the way.
joe rogan
But that got overturned.
They can't do that anymore.
matt mccusker
They were shortening the yellow lights.
Were they really?
unidentified
Yes.
matt mccusker
New Jersey got busted for shortening the yellow lights and snagging people at those things.
unidentified
What?
joe rogan
By how much?
matt mccusker
Like a second or something.
It was enough to snag you.
Because, you know, you're like, oh, I got it.
joe rogan
Yeah, you got enough time.
shane gillis
Man, what's worse than when you're driving and you see a flash?
I didn't even know they were doing it.
In Maryland, they do it a ton, where the speed limits are checked by speed cameras.
I'd be driving to shows, open mics and shit, again, to zero dollars.
I'd be driving, dude, a flash would be in the car.
unidentified
I'd be like, shit!
Shit, dude!
matt mccusker
Back then, it goes to your parents' address, dude.
unidentified
It's going to my mom's car.
joe rogan
You know they got you.
matt mccusker
God, that fucking sucks.
joe rogan
It's funny how many different scams there are to extract money from people.
matt mccusker
Oh, yeah.
joe rogan
Because that's one of them.
You want revenue for the city?
Extract money from people.
matt mccusker
Yeah, you need it.
unidentified
Yeah.
matt mccusker
It's fucked up.
joe rogan
It's very fucked up.
matt mccusker
Especially stuff like that.
They brutalize trucks, too, man.
Trucks get killed.
shane gillis
Oh, yeah?
matt mccusker
The highway patrol just sits there all day, and they'll be like, there's like, your chain is this way, and they're like $15,000.
They crush trucks.
shane gillis
This is a boomer pod now.
This is an absolute boomer pod.
You want to know about road scams?
matt mccusker
Here we are.
shane gillis
You know what my favorite is?
It's just runaway truck ramps.
Those make me so happy, dude.
I just love imagining the dude who...
When you go up to Penn State, it's through the mountains and there's just runaway ramps.
joe rogan
Because sometimes trucks have no brakes.
shane gillis
And it's so funny thinking of a dude just having to hit one.
The guy just driving and being like...
joe rogan
Because when you're going down a steep hill, sometimes you just go, look how beautiful that is.
matt mccusker
Yeah, that's pretty nice.
joe rogan
Where is that?
matt mccusker
Is that Bud Light, bro?
Is that BLs?
jamie vernon
It might be.
shane gillis
Up the ramp?
jamie vernon
It's not a Bud Light truck.
It's not refrigerated either.
joe rogan
Maybe it's stolen Bud Light.
It's like bricks.
It's like blue bricks or some shit.
jamie vernon
There's videos.
matt mccusker
Yes, please.
shane gillis
Runaway trucks is...
I just like thinking of the guy who's like half asleep.
joe rogan
Here comes one.
shane gillis
Flying up a hill.
matt mccusker
Here we go.
joe rogan
Oh, you see the guy's...
He's slamming on the brakes.
Oh, he's gonna go up it.
Oh, you gotta hit that thing?
shane gillis
That sucks.
matt mccusker
Come on, brother.
joe rogan
What's all the smoke coming off the back of his?
matt mccusker
Him jamming his brakes, probably.
joe rogan
Wow!
How do you know, Jamie?
Jamie's like, yeah, pussy, just keep going.
Get my fucking package from my house.
matt mccusker
Jamie's got trucker blood.
joe rogan
I ordered those AirPods, pussy.
shane gillis
He's gotta hit this ramp.
matt mccusker
Here we go.
joe rogan
Oh my god, look, he's going up this ramp.
matt mccusker
Come on, brother.
What happens when he comes back down?
joe rogan
Yeah, what is the smoke coming out of the back?
unidentified
Oh, it's his brakes, dude.
shane gillis
He's going the whole way up.
joe rogan
That can't be his brakes.
unidentified
What?
joe rogan
No, that's not his brakes.
That seems like his truck is dying.
matt mccusker
Oh, yeah, maybe.
joe rogan
He doesn't make it all the way to the slammer at the end of it.
I mean, still, I can't believe he made it that high.
matt mccusker
If he jammed his brakes, it would probably jack down.
shane gillis
I can't believe he made it that high.
matt mccusker
That's pretty nuts.
That's like that snow tubing at the bottom, like, fuck, fuck, fuck, fuck, fuck, fuck.
joe rogan
I watched a 3,000 horsepower engine explode.
Go to Richard Rawlings Instagram.
Go to Richard Rawlings from Fast and Loud.
You know that show?
matt mccusker
Uh-uh.
joe rogan
He's a fun car guy from Fast and Loud, that show.
matt mccusker
There we go.
unidentified
There we go.
joe rogan
Yeah, that thing is just smoking.
What is happening to that thing?
Is that his brakes?
matt mccusker
I would guess.
joe rogan
That kind of seems like brakes in that situation.
Because this guy just can't slow down.
That's got to be terrifying.
matt mccusker
I mean, it's so much weight, dude.
unidentified
That sucks.
joe rogan
Oh my god.
Can you imagine being a fucking dude behind the wheel of something that weighs?
Like, what does it weigh?
Hundreds of thousands of pounds.
shane gillis
That's what I mean, though.
Like, an hour, like, seven of driving.
Like, all day, you're just chilling.
joe rogan
Oh, look, it tipped over.
unidentified
Oh, shit.
matt mccusker
Yeah, dude, even just driving, like, a truck with a trailer of, like, lawnmowers on the back, you try to stop that thing at, like, 60 miles an hour, it just doesn't stop.
joe rogan
Go to Richard Rawlings' Instagram page, and he's got a reel up of this dude who's revving up this truck engine, this gigantic souped-up truck engine, and it fucking blows up like it got hit by a missile.
It's wild.
matt mccusker
Jesus.
joe rogan
Because it's a 3,000 horsepower souped-up engine, and they're like, wow!
And then, boom!
matt mccusker
There he is.
joe rogan
Fuck, where is it?
You go to his reels?
matt mccusker
That's a nice pick.
Damn, dude.
joe rogan
I think that's it, that one right there.
jamie vernon
This was not...
joe rogan
Nope, that's not it.
Maybe someone took it down.
No, did they take it down?
shane gillis
That looks like it.
matt mccusker
Where?
joe rogan
No, you just see the truck.
No, you just see the truck.
matt mccusker
Oh, there it is.
There's a fucking thing on fire.
jamie vernon
That's just an engine.
unidentified
Oh, okay.
joe rogan
No, that's not it.
It was way worse than that.
Let's see if I can find it.
I can find it, Jamie, and I'll send it to you.
shane gillis
Well, whatever this guy's doing.
jamie vernon
Also, what happened, I guess I could just look for it, too.
You said a truck explosion or something?
unidentified
Yeah.
jamie vernon
Truck burnout explosion?
matt mccusker
I'm such a pussy.
I don't know anything about cars.
shane gillis
I don't know anything about anything, dude.
matt mccusker
I really don't.
shane gillis
That really blows.
matt mccusker
Tell you what, though.
I know about crunching the metadata.
joe rogan
Crunching the metadata on C4? That's interesting.
I don't know.
That's not it.
matt mccusker
Here we go.
joe rogan
No, this is way worse.
That's crazy.
unidentified
Maybe...
joe rogan
was it his YouTube?
Does Rawlings have a YouTube?
Did he put it on there?
jamie vernon
I don't know, but I don't...
joe rogan
See that there?
Because maybe they removed it for some reason.
Because maybe someone died.
unidentified
Oh, shit.
joe rogan
Because it looked like people died.
matt mccusker
Oh, that's not good.
joe rogan
It looks like people died.
What?
It looked like easily someone could have died.
matt mccusker
Oh, man.
shane gillis
You ever see those fucking speedboats?
unidentified
Click on videos instead of home.
joe rogan
Now click on shorts.
Click on shorts.
unidentified
Nope.
joe rogan
I don't see it.
So, uh, Google 3,000 horsepower truck engine explodes.
See if we can find that.
Fuck, I should have saved it.
I was gonna repost it, but it might have been that somebody died.
matt mccusker
Yeah, they might have taken it down.
joe rogan
Fucking wild.
Wild.
shane gillis
They're just revving it?
joe rogan
I mean, giant fireball.
This dude dies out of the front seat.
I don't know what it was.
There's a bunch of people hanging around.
jamie vernon
This just seems like a famous video that happened like a couple years ago.
unidentified
Yikes.
joe rogan
Isn't it funny that like 2000...
matt mccusker
Oh, boy.
joe rogan
Yeah, that's it.
That's exactly it.
That's it right here.
So they're revving this up.
matt mccusker
Oh, my God.
joe rogan
Bro.
Get some volume, though, because you've got to hear it because it's fucking bananas.
unidentified
That other kit, and that's when it let loose.
And that's when all hell broke loose.
joe rogan
Oh no!
unidentified
Look at that dude bail out of the front.
shane gillis
Wait, that's Monster Energy drinks.
joe rogan
3,000 horsepower dyno explosion.
So they were testing the horsepower on a dyno and the fucking engine blew.
shane gillis
Bro.
Jamie, add a comment.
Sick.
unidentified
From the Joe Rogan experience.
Sick.
Sweet.
shane gillis
That guy had gauge earrings.
He was just in there.
joe rogan
Did you watch any of the Beavis and Butthead, the new Beavis and Butthead?
No.
Is that supposed to be any good, Jamie?
jamie vernon
I watched some of it.
I haven't watched the TV show.
They brought the show back, too.
joe rogan
Right.
unidentified
What?
jamie vernon
I haven't watched those.
shane gillis
They brought the show back?
unidentified
Mm-hmm.
jamie vernon
It's on Paramount Plus, I think.
unidentified
What?
matt mccusker
How do you think it is?
I don't know.
jamie vernon
I haven't seen TikTok videos and stuff.
matt mccusker
Stunk it up.
I don't know why.
shane gillis
If they watch TikTok videos, that could be funny.
matt mccusker
That's pretty good.
shane gillis
I got a feeling they stunk it up too.
joe rogan
How many people watch Paramount Plus?
Is it 20?
matt mccusker
Probably.
I think P Plus doesn't...
Didn't they have South Park?
Actually, I watched South Park and I deleted my account.
shane gillis
No, they had the South Park special on there.
matt mccusker
I watched that and then deleted that.
shane gillis
Now HBO Max has South Park.
matt mccusker
Okay, nice.
joe rogan
But there's so many streaming platforms, though.
Peacock, they have one.
NBC has one.
Disney has one.
matt mccusker
Yeah, Disney Plus.
joe rogan
Beavis and Butthead.
jamie vernon
It's old stuff, though.
joe rogan
It's all old stuff?
shane gillis
Damn, Daria, Celebrity Deathmatch?
joe rogan
That shit fucking rule.
jamie vernon
It's called Mike Judge's Beavis and Butthead.
shane gillis
Remember how nice Celebrity Deathmatch was?
matt mccusker
The best.
joe rogan
So this is Paramount Plus original?
unidentified
Mm-hmm.
jamie vernon
One season, one episode.
joe rogan
Give me some of that.
jamie vernon
I can't watch it here without logged in or anything.
Oh, okay.
shane gillis
I remember Celebrity Deathmatch, they had one, it was a halftime show.
Packers, Broncos, Super Bowl.
I was fucking pumped, dude.
matt mccusker
That was a good show.
shane gillis
Yeah.
matt mccusker
That was a good show.
joe rogan
Remember halftime shows?
They used to have a lot of, like, In Living Color had a halftime show during the Super Bowl.
matt mccusker
Really?
joe rogan
Yeah.
They did a halftime.
shane gillis
Every show, like MTV did, we're going to do Celebrity Deathmatch at the halftime.
Every channel had a different, like, Super Bowl halftime switch over to us.
joe rogan
Yeah.
shane gillis
But now I think they're all owned by the same two companies.
joe rogan
Well, what a giant mistake by the Super Bowl.
How about make the halftime fun?
matt mccusker
That's what I'm saying.
joe rogan
Yeah.
How about you have some wild shit?
jamie vernon
Last year was pretty good.
shane gillis
Who was last year's?
jamie vernon
Dr. Dre.
unidentified
The geezers.
shane gillis
Yeah, that was good.
The geezers came out.
unidentified
Fat 50 Cent was upside down.
joe rogan
This was it.
This was the first time that I ever saw In Living Color.
I couldn't fucking believe how funny it was.
When I saw Jim Carrey and he was doing Fire Marshal Bill, I was like, oh no.
Look at that.
unidentified
Just what gives hair putty, Mary.
My name is Mindy and I'm busy.
Serving drinks to these yahoos during halftime can be lucrative.
But it can also put you out for the season.
matt mccusker
Imagine trying to do that.
jamie vernon
Alright.
shane gillis
Damn.
joe rogan
Look at how creepy he looks.
unidentified
Yeah.
matt mccusker
What's he up to now?
shane gillis
He's just Joe Biden on SNL. Was he?
joe rogan
Kerry was?
shane gillis
Yeah.
unidentified
Really?
shane gillis
They fucked that up so bad, dude.
They made Trump a giant asshole and then they were like, Biden's Jim Kerry and he's kinda cool.
matt mccusker
That sucks, man.
shane gillis
His character was like, I'm actually cool.
God damn it.
matt mccusker
What do they call him the Dark Brandon or something?
shane gillis
Dark Brandon Rises, dude.
It's actually pretty funny.
Now that it's bothering people, it is funny.
unidentified
Now that it bothers you.
shane gillis
They were right.
It is funny.
joe rogan
It's funny when it bothers you.
shane gillis
Yeah, there's certain art and all that stuff that's designed to bother people like me.
joe rogan
Yeah.
shane gillis
And when it works, I'm like, alright, that actually is funny.
joe rogan
Do you think that's what Jimmy Fallon's doing when he does that vaccine dance?
shane gillis
XBB.com.
joe rogan
Have you seen that?
shane gillis
Yeah, that was...
joe rogan
What is he doing?
shane gillis
That was gut-wrenching.
joe rogan
What is he doing?
shane gillis
Soul-crushing.
matt mccusker
I never saw that.
joe rogan
Do you think they have, like, a photo of him, like, on an island filled with hookers?
shane gillis
No, I think, bro, they just gave him millions.
unidentified
Look at him.
shane gillis
Toss him.
matt mccusker
Oh, my God, dude.
unidentified
But it isn't the same.
Sounds more like Elon Musk's kid's name.
It's XBB.1.5 Not UB40 Who sees red red wine Put on your mask When you're inside a facility It could be a robot From a Star Wars trilogy It's XBB Is this the new strain or something? - It's gonna hurt.
matt mccusker
Damn, what if he started talking about like athletes falling over?
joe rogan
Just imagine the pitch meeting.
Imagine the pitch meeting.
Here's what we want to do.
We want to talk about the new pandemic variant, but in a song.
And everybody's like, okay, I'm listening.
matt mccusker
Oh, Jesus Christ.
shane gillis
That's just, he's not in the meeting.
That means he's not in the meeting.
joe rogan
Do you think he's just drunk?
shane gillis
Maybe.
I think he shows up, they're like, here you go, he's like, fuck it.
joe rogan
Fuck it, I like money.
shane gillis
Fuck it.
matt mccusker
Yeah, there's some guy like me puffing a cigar like, Jimmy, here's what we're gonna do today.
unidentified
Jimmy.
joe rogan
How many people are watching The Tonight Show?
matt mccusker
Not me.
shane gillis
Gotta be nobody.
matt mccusker
Yeah, I don't think so.
joe rogan
What do you think?
Take a number.
A million a night?
shane gillis
I don't know what the numbers are.
joe rogan
Let's guess.
matt mccusker
I'd say...
750,000.
shane gillis
I mean, if Gutfeld's buttfucking these guys, they're putting out a fucking dogshit program, dude.
I watch Gutfeld.
unidentified
That shit's nuts, dude.
shane gillis
DeRosa was just on...
joe rogan
He's buttfucking all of them, was he?
shane gillis
He's killing them.
joe rogan
He's buttfucking all of them.
He's the number one guy.
shane gillis
DeRosa was just on...
It was so funny.
It made me so happy.
joe rogan
1.3 million viewers.
Less than half the viewers of Gutfeld.
shane gillis
Gutfeld, dude.
matt mccusker
Gutfeld dominates.
joe rogan
Less than half.
Fallon had, what does it say?
Go back to that?
jamie vernon
That's his YouTube channel.
joe rogan
Fallon had 30 million subscribers on his YouTube channel, but this does not drive advertising rates for the show.
His YouTube channel's way better than the fucking show.
matt mccusker
Yeah, because they just do clips of it.
joe rogan
That's wild.
shane gillis
You think famous people want to get a clip?
matt mccusker
Yeah.
shane gillis
That'll get you views.
unidentified
Yeah.
shane gillis
But like, Gottfeld's out there just slinging.
matt mccusker
Bro.
joe rogan
Isn't it crazy?
Just form an alternative to what everyone's shoving down your throat.
You know, it's like the same thing on every network.
The same kind of jokes about the same kind of people.
And these are the dummies.
And then on his show, he's just got a bunch of Looney Tunes and, you know, comics.
shane gillis
He's got Joe DeRosa and Tyrus, dude.
You ever see Tyrus?
Tyrus might look like Thanos himself, dude.
matt mccusker
Really?
shane gillis
Yeah, for real.
That's a guy who is Thanos.
matt mccusker
What are you talking about?
shane gillis
There's a guy named Tyrus.
He is Thanos.
matt mccusker
I know what you're talking about now.
Yeah, dude, it's sad.
It's a sad thing.
It's all paid for by fucking companies.
joe rogan
Yeah, that dude.
shane gillis
Thanos himself, dude.
joe rogan
Yeah, really.
matt mccusker
What's his hat say?
Where my...
shane gillis
Where my dog's at?
joe rogan
I think so, dude.
unidentified
No.
joe rogan
Bigger Ward.
jamie vernon
Something else.
I can't tell, though.
joe rogan
Where am I something?
matt mccusker
Dude, that is Thanos.
shane gillis
Might be Thanos, dude.
That's Fox Thanos.
matt mccusker
Tearing up on Gutfeld.
joe rogan
That dude's got some ears.
matt mccusker
That is.
Oh, my God.
joe rogan
That's a big fella.
matt mccusker
That's a big fella.
joe rogan
And so what does he do?
shane gillis
He's one of the Gutfelds.
joe rogan
He's a wrestler?
jamie vernon
Yeah.
shane gillis
One of the Gutfelds, bros.
matt mccusker
Bam, 6-7.
joe rogan
That fucking show, it's amazing how much more popular it is than those other network shows.
Isn't it crazy that the Democrats haven't figured out how to do a show like that?
We just get comics and sit around and talk shit and bring people on and fuck around and that's your talk show?
And you review the news together or you all mock it.
You read something that Biden did and everybody's like, bah!
shane gillis
Yeah, fucking Quinn.
Colin Quinn's, uh...
joe rogan
Tough crowd.
Tough crowd.
Yeah, that was it.
matt mccusker
Yeah.
joe rogan
They did it.
shane gillis
They had it right.
That was a podcast.
unidentified
Yeah.
shane gillis
Yeah.
That was like the first...
That was one of the first, like, just a podcast.
joe rogan
Yeah, it was like an hour-long podcast.
And comics would just fuck around, talk shit to each other.
Patrice, Nick DiPaolo...
shane gillis
Man, those are like my favorite highlight videos.
matt mccusker
Yeah.
shane gillis
Dudes bullying other dudes on comics.
joe rogan
One of my favorite ever was Geraldo and Leary.
shane gillis
Unreal.
joe rogan
It's one of the greatest.
Leary's giving him a hard time for having jokes.
shane gillis
Yeah.
joe rogan
He's like, yeah, Dennis, we write.
We write jokes.
That's what we do.
Literally professionally.
And Leary gets upset with him that he's talking back to him.
shane gillis
He's like, yeah, maybe your show wouldn't have got canceled if you wrote.
unidentified
It's like, oh shit, damn.
shane gillis
Judy Gold vs.
Voss and Patrice.
Voss and Patrice would team up and it's the funniest duo possible.
Because Voss is such a motherfucker.
He's very good at being like a sidekick and jumping in and being like, get him, get him, get him, fuck him.
joe rogan
He was a classic on O.B. Anthony.
shane gillis
Voss?
joe rogan
Oh my god.
shane gillis
Dude, he's an animal.
joe rogan
You ever see the one when they would introduce him in, like, unexpected stand-up?
They would just, he would go into, like, a coffee shop.
shane gillis
No.
joe rogan
And Club Soda Canning would go, ladies and gentlemen, Rich Voss!
And he would just go and start doing his act.
On the radio, in front of all these fucking people that have no idea he was supposed to...
matt mccusker
Oh no, dude.
joe rogan
It was so cringe!
shane gillis
He's so fucking funny.
unidentified
He is, dude.
shane gillis
He's the only dude on there that would like...
He was like the punching bag.
They would all try to hit.
joe rogan
And he had a good time.
shane gillis
He could take it and then he would swing back once.
unidentified
Yeah.
shane gillis
And it would be a knockout, dude.
Whoever he hit...
joe rogan
But he took it with a smile on his face.
shane gillis
Yeah, he's fine.
joe rogan
He never got defensive.
shane gillis
No.
joe rogan
Yeah.
Which is the big thing.
unidentified
Yeah.
matt mccusker
Yeah, he's fucking funny.
shane gillis
I love Voss so much, dude.
unidentified
He's great.
matt mccusker
He's the man.
The best one he used to big dot when he would hit you with the billfold, he'd be like, here's 20 bucks.
It was the best.
shane gillis
Voss was the first guy to take me on the road.
joe rogan
Oh, really?
shane gillis
Yeah.
He was the first headliner that was like, do you want to come open for me?
joe rogan
No shit.
Where did he take you?
shane gillis
Fucking local shitholes in Pennsylvania and Jersey.
joe rogan
Nice.
shane gillis
Yeah.
joe rogan
Nice.
matt mccusker
Yeah, he was the man.
unidentified
Yeah.
matt mccusker
And he'd always be like, lose my number, kid.
Stop lying.
unidentified
I know.
matt mccusker
He was so fucking funny.
joe rogan
But getting friends with a real, legit comic like that when you're just starting out was so huge.
It was everything.
shane gillis
And then when I was getting SNL, Voss came up and was like, you know I've always been good to you, right?
I was like, you piece of shit.
matt mccusker
I could tell he loves you.
shane gillis
I do love Voss.
joe rogan
He's great.
But that's like that moment when a guy like that takes you on the road?
shane gillis
Then Soder got me.
Soder was next.
It was Voss and then Dan Soder was like, do you want to come on the road?
joe rogan
And I was like, Oh, that's amazing.
shane gillis
He's like, bro, I love you so much, I'll die for you.
I'll fucking die for you.
matt mccusker
He's an angelic dude.
shane gillis
Soder is an angel.
matt mccusker
He's one of the nicest dudes in the world.
joe rogan
He's so nice.
shane gillis
He's so good.
joe rogan
Yeah, very funny.
shane gillis
He's somehow underrated.
joe rogan
Yeah.
shane gillis
For how good he is.
joe rogan
For now, that'll change.
shane gillis
I know, he's so good.
joe rogan
It'll be overwhelming.
It's one of those, you know, it happened with you, it's happening right now with Hinchcliffe.
Hinchcliffe is selling out everywhere, man.
shane gillis
He's crushing it.
Tony does crush.
joe rogan
Fuck, he's an animal, dude.
His stand-up is good.
shane gillis
That's because his character, he's a very unlikable person, his character.
joe rogan
Yeah.
shane gillis
Where he acts like an asshole.
joe rogan
Yeah.
shane gillis
And then you go talk to him off stage and you're like, fuck, this is the nicest guy ever.
I love this fucking guy.
joe rogan
He just loves pro wrestling.
shane gillis
Maybe you watch him on stage and he's such a cocksucker the whole time.
joe rogan
He wants to be the heel.
shane gillis
Yeah.
joe rogan
He wants to be the pro wrestling heel.
shane gillis
And then he kills.
joe rogan
But he's got it down to a science.
unidentified
Yeah.
joe rogan
Yeah, he does.
Yeah, going on the road, man.
That is the greatest education a comic ever gets.
When you're first starting out and you get to go on the road.
shane gillis
So fun.
joe rogan
And you're doing packed houses because they're all there to see that guy.
And you have your 15, 20 minutes you're supposed to do.
And you're like, okay, here we go.
You're going to airports and shit.
unidentified
Yeah.
shane gillis
Going to an airport to go to a show, you're like, dude.
unidentified
Stoked.
joe rogan
Your hotel's paid for.
unidentified
I'm famous.
joe rogan
You walk in the hotel.
matt mccusker
Just waiting for someone to ask you, like, what are you doing?
They're like, I'm actually traveling.
shane gillis
I'm a comedian.
joe rogan
Open it up for Adam Sandler.
shane gillis
On the road.
Soda.
unidentified
It's the greatest.
shane gillis
It was wonderful.
matt mccusker
Yeah, he's a man.
joe rogan
Those are the greatest days.
shane gillis
You get jaded so quickly.
I go on the road and I'm just like, fuck.
joe rogan
Really?
I still love it.
shane gillis
Airports.
I used to love airports.
I'd go to an airport and be like, dude, this is going to be so sick.
joe rogan
I don't know.
When you go with friends, it's the best.
The best thing that I ever did, and I did it early on, is I started bringing my opening acts.
I brought guys that I knew that were really funny, that were cool.
I paid them.
Instead of the club paying them, because they always underpay you, I would pay them.
I'll pay for everybody.
Pay for their tickets, pay for their hotel.
And everybody's like, well, it costs money to fly people out.
You can just get the local out.
Yeah, yeah, but that's not an option.
In my mind, then it's depression weekend.
Then it's me alone in a Phoenix hotel room, staring at the TV, flipping channels, deciding whether or not I want to work out now, when do I want to eat.
And then my only interaction with people is at the club.
shane gillis
You don't talk for a full day.
joe rogan
For the full day.
shane gillis
The first thing you say is, hey, everybody.
joe rogan
Yeah, that's weird.
Richie Jenney talked about that once.
Sometimes the first words he would say to anybody all day would be on stage.
shane gillis
Yeah.
joe rogan
Like, that's crazy.
matt mccusker
Yeah.
I kind of don't mind that, though.
I can wander around by myself for a while.
joe rogan
You don't get depressed?
matt mccusker
No, I kind of enjoy it.
unidentified
Really?
matt mccusker
I can sit by myself for a long time.
joe rogan
I can for a day.
I like a day off.
shane gillis
When you're on week number eight.
matt mccusker
See, that'll fuck me up.
Week number eight.
Nah, that's the thing.
joe rogan
But when you travel with your boys.
matt mccusker
See, yeah, it's fun.
joe rogan
When you're traveling with your boys, you're going to dinner with your friends.
It's like this.
Like us right now.
If we were on the road, we would have the same conversation while we're eating steak.
Laughing, having fun, cracking a bottle of wine.
Shows in an hour.
Let's go, boys!
matt mccusker
Let's go!
joe rogan
And then you go.
It's the best.
matt mccusker
Yeah, I was doing them sparingly.
So I'd be like, oh, this is a nice little quiet weekend.
But yeah, if that was week after week after week after week, that would get kind of isolated.
joe rogan
I'm with you sparingly.
shane gillis
A nice week by yourself does rule.
But yeah, you gotta bring the bros.
joe rogan
And when you're on the road with your boys, it's like, they're your family.
It's like, we're all just friends.
This is a great time.
We're all having a good time together.
Everyone's having a good time.
Unless someone bombs.
matt mccusker
The one guy that bombs.
shane gillis
But then that's kind of fun, dude.
I love when one of my friends bombs, dude.
unidentified
You gotta go, yo, what the fuck was that?
joe rogan
Right, but if you're taking guys, like you're giving them a chance, and you realize like halfway into the weekend, like this is not gonna work out.
unidentified
Yeah.
shane gillis
Yeah, but you just keep bringing them.
joe rogan
Do you?
shane gillis
I do.
I got guys on the roster that will bomb.
No problem.
joe rogan
Yeah, I'll put those dudes up on a regular night and give them a shot, but not on the road.
When you're on the road, I'm bringing heavy hitters.
I'm bringing Brian Simpson and Hinchcliffe and Hans, and I'm bringing killers.
shane gillis
But the fun part is still, like, I remember being excited being at the airport.
It was literally three years ago.
joe rogan
Right.
You were a pro.
shane gillis
But now I get to take, like, Lemaire and, like, Nate and all these guys that, like, they get to the airport and they're like...
Dude, they have this at the airport?
unidentified
They never flew.
shane gillis
They're like, dude, what the fuck is this?
Delta Sky Lounge?
matt mccusker
Think about Chipotle here?
joe rogan
You've got to keep appreciating it.
That's why I would always take edibles.
I would always take edibles when I flew.
Because the fly day is just a disaster.
You're just flying in.
If you've got to fly to Philadelphia and you live in LA, that day's gone.
You've got five hours on a plane.
So I would just take a 200 milligram edible and just go on a harrowing adventure of the soul.
shane gillis
That's psycho, dude.
That's psycho.
joe rogan
Well, that's the Joey Diaz way.
I learned it from Diaz.
Diaz and I, when we would travel together, because we started traveling together in the 90s.
I started taking Joey Diaz with me on the road in like 97, 98. We did gigs in New Jersey.
That was the Joey Diaz cocaine years, too.
The reason why I started taking three people, I would take two people on the road with me, two openers, is because Joey didn't show up sometimes.
So that's how Ari got to start with me.
Because I'm like, God, I don't want to stop taking Joey.
Because when Joey did show up, he's the fucking life of the party.
You hoped that he didn't go on a bender.
And he only did it a couple of times.
But he did it enough where I was like, I'm going to hedge my bets.
And if Joey shows up, we've got a three-man show.
If Joey doesn't show up, we've got a two-man show.
Yeah, but they were the best times, man.
shane gillis
The driving road trips were the best.
joe rogan
Oh, my God.
shane gillis
Driving.
joe rogan
Yeah.
When Hinchcliffe and I have done driving road trips, he's come up with some of his most ruthless material, making me laugh in the car.
I'm like, dude, you've got to say that on stage.
He's like, really?
shane gillis
That's also the best thing, to have your friends with you.
If Matt's in the room, I'll be like, alright, I'm going to try the joke that you and me think's funny.
If I'm by myself, I'll go out there and just do my act.
joe rogan
Whatever.
shane gillis
If I know one of my comic friends is in the room, they're going to think it's funny.
Then it is funny.
Then I'm up there like...
matt mccusker
Yeah, it makes it fun.
joe rogan
It's a great way to workshop material, too.
shane gillis
When someone says, you've got to say that tonight.
joe rogan
Yeah, yeah.
It puts a gun to you.
unidentified
Yeah.
shane gillis
It's great.
joe rogan
It's great.
shane gillis
Especially when it doesn't work and you're in the back going...
joe rogan
Hey, what time is your show tonight?
shane gillis
We got it.
joe rogan
Yeah, it's 5 o'clock.
unidentified
Yeah, yeah.
Oh, shit.
joe rogan
Wrap this bitch up.
Yeah.
unidentified
Awesome.
joe rogan
My man, you're the fucking man.
shane gillis
You're the best.
joe rogan
I love you.
unidentified
Very nice to meet you.
joe rogan
That was a lot of fun.
matt mccusker
Thank you, Joe.
unidentified
Appreciate you.
joe rogan
Let's do this again 100%, the three of us.
unidentified
Thank you, brother.
Appreciate you.
shane gillis
Matt and Shane's Secret Podcast.
joe rogan
Fun time.
Let's go.
Matt and Shane's Secret Podcast.
It's available on YouTube.
It's on Patreon.
Do you guys have it up on iTunes and all that other stuff?
So it's on Apple Podcasts and Spotify and all that shit?
Yeah.
Beautiful.
All right.
shane gillis
First thing, search.
What does Matt McCusker do?
matt mccusker
You'll never know.
shane gillis
Now they know.
joe rogan
Matt McCusker is a comedian, writer, and what does it say?
matt mccusker
Oh, it's a bio.
It's a nice bio, yeah.
joe rogan
And proud co-host of Matt and Shane's Secret Podcast.
You look like a fucking mugshot.
unidentified
That totally looks like a mugshot.
joe rogan
Engaging in nonviolent criminal activity, Matt has decided the rest of his days towards the pursuit of peace and harmony.
unidentified
What?
matt mccusker
Nice bio, right?
joe rogan
That's a good bio.
Who wrote that?
unidentified
Me.
matt mccusker
I'm a writer, bro.
joe rogan
All right.
Great times, boys.
unidentified
See you guys.
joe rogan
Thank you very much.
unidentified
Bye, everybody.
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