All Episodes
Nov. 29, 2022 - The Joe Rogan Experience
03:38:09
Joe Rogan Experience #1903 - Kurt Metzger
Participants
Main voices
j
jamie vernon
05:42
j
joe rogan
01:45:56
k
kurt metzger
01:30:59
Appearances
@
@derek fitness
01:13
j
juanita m mcdonald
01:58
m
michael ruppert
02:35
Clips
j
john deutch
00:48
| Copy link to current segment

Speaker Time Text
unidentified
The Joe Rogan Experience Train by day, Joe Rogan Podcast by night, all day Let's go Boy you're going deep, fella.
kurt metzger
I mean that's why Elon Musk is a success.
unidentified
Why?
kurt metzger
Because he smoked weed on this show.
joe rogan
I don't think that's true.
kurt metzger
That's wrong.
joe rogan
That's like with high school kids.
kurt metzger
That guy's got a lot of money, and I saw him smoke weed on this show.
joe rogan
That's what happened, bro.
That is the root of it all.
I almost got him fucking, like, removed from NASA top clearance.
kurt metzger
That's crazy, dude, that you would have to...
joe rogan
Meanwhile, we're drinking whiskey for like two hours before we hit that bunt.
kurt metzger
That's wild how slow that aspect, because weed's so legal in so many places, you forget that it's not legal still.
joe rogan
Well, it was legal in California.
That's what he asked me.
He goes, it is legal.
Yeah, it's legal here.
kurt metzger
Yeah, but it's not...
There's California law, and then there's...
joe rogan
State law.
kurt metzger
Yeah.
joe rogan
Federal law, rather.
kurt metzger
Or also, like, corporate, like, investor confidence law, I guess, is what he's violating.
joe rogan
Well, this is NASA. NASA had an issue with it, so it's government.
Yeah.
Because marijuana still, very unfortunately, is still federally Schedule I, which means it has no medical benefits.
unidentified
Yeah.
joe rogan
Which is hilarious, because I'm pretty sure cocaine is scheduled too.
Because cocaine has medical benefits.
kurt metzger
Because of the throat, right?
Like Elvis would get it for his throat.
joe rogan
You know what he was saying?
kurt metzger
I mean, officially, that's why they would give it to him.
I was watching like his entourage, like the guys from his entourage.
joe rogan
We need to get Elvis some cocaine for his throat.
kurt metzger
It was like this medical grade, the kind Robert Evans got busted trying to get the pure liquid cocaine, and they would just dip these cotton swabs in it, and they would just sit there and be ripped for hours, he said, on liquid.
It was for his throat.
joe rogan
Well, it would numb it, because I had lidocaine on my nose, which is like a cousin of cocaine, I guess.
And one of the things that I thought was really interesting about, it fucking killed my appetite.
Like, I tried to go to dinner.
Yeah, right.
Afterwards, I was like, God, I don't want to eat anything.
I know I'm hungry.
I had this delicious steak in front of me and I couldn't eat it.
kurt metzger
Oh, yeah, right.
joe rogan
Because the lidocaine, like, it was still in my throat.
I could taste it.
It was like, ugh.
kurt metzger
Isn't that like a similar...
What's that movie?
joe rogan
It numbs everything.
But it doesn't get you high, but it does get you feeling weird.
You don't feel like you're not in any way like high, you know, but you're like weirded out.
I think he gave me like a heavy dose too because he had to clean out my nose and fix my septum.
I don't know.
I don't remember.
I don't remember because they put me under.
I don't remember if it was injections.
I don't remember what happened.
Because I had to go out for that because it's it's pretty serious.
I don't fucking get in there What's your turbinates?
Yeah, it's like these bumps in the middle my nose is fucked I'm getting hit or just oh well from everything I fell down a flight of stairs when I was five years old So I remember yeah, it was a little photo of me with a black eye when I was five I remember just slipped and fell down a cement flight of stairs Jesus Christ in my backyard when I was five smash my nose and And so, I think from then on, I never had a good nose.
I think it was pretty fucked up from then on.
I was a literal mouth breather until I was 40. And then I got my nose fixed.
kurt metzger
Yeah, I know.
joe rogan
Oh my god, it was the greatest thing ever.
unidentified
I was like...
kurt metzger
I just always had huge nostril capacity myself, so...
joe rogan
Well, a lot of guys start out with huge nostril capacity, but if you get hit there enough, a lot of wrestlers and very much boxers, boxers, they get their nose smashed.
MMA fighters get their nose smashed.
kurt metzger
Yeah, right.
joe rogan
They all have stuffed up noses.
kurt metzger
Remember Randall Texkov?
unidentified
Yeah.
kurt metzger
He looked like somebody just spread his nose like butter onto his...
joe rogan
Meanwhile, Artie Lang probably has the most impressive broken nose I've ever seen.
kurt metzger
Yeah, well...
joe rogan
Like, Artie's just collapsed, you know?
kurt metzger
Yeah, that's a crazy story.
I just talked to him not that long ago.
joe rogan
He's the best.
kurt metzger
I love that dude so much.
joe rogan
I love him so much.
He's such a good...
Like, when you're around him, you just want to hug him.
kurt metzger
Yeah, dude.
joe rogan
He's just such a good...
He's always been that way, too.
I've known that guy for 20 plus years.
kurt metzger
Yeah, he used to do me and Sherrod's old podcast, Raze Wars, and he'd give me a ride back to Washington Heights, and it was like the funniest dude to hang out with that I ever met.
joe rogan
His fucking stories, they're so good.
And even when he sobered up, they were just as good, if not better.
I did a podcast with him.
We used the Skank Studio.
kurt metzger
Right.
joe rogan
Legion of Skank Studio.
Thanks to them for that, because it was pretty awesome of them to let me borrow their studio.
So we did Artie in there, and Artie was stone-cold sober for over a year, confident that he was going to keep it together.
He had a guy with him helping him.
He was on the ball.
On the ball.
His fucking stories were sharper than ever.
kurt metzger
Right.
joe rogan
Sharper than ever.
It's like you would think, sometimes you think like if a guy sobers up, because some guys do, they sober up and then they get boring.
kurt metzger
Yeah, right.
joe rogan
You know, something happens, they lose that wildness.
kurt metzger
No, he doesn't.
unidentified
Not at all.
kurt metzger
Yeah, it brings it down to a manageable...
joe rogan
You know who else got really better after they got sober is Attell.
Attell was always amazing.
He was always a great, great comic, but being healthier because he has more energy...
kurt metzger
He just stopped.
I remember that.
unidentified
Just stopped.
kurt metzger
When he stopped, I'm like, really?
That was like a whole...
unidentified
Yeah.
Yeah.
joe rogan
Well, I think, you know, you get captured by a thing that you're known for, too.
Because remember in Sondiak, he would get hammered in every town.
It was a fucking great show.
kurt metzger
He told me it was like impossible to do without people throwing like ice cubes at the production.
joe rogan
Did you ever see it?
kurt metzger
I mean, I loved it when it came out, but I didn't know about how production, like the logistics of a show revolving around being drunk out at night.
What a nightmare that must be.
unidentified
Every fucking bar you go to is just filled with hammered people.
kurt metzger
You have to be drunk to do it, because if you're sober dealing with that, it's like being waterboarded.
I'll say anything to make this end.
joe rogan
Imagine if you're like a health nut and you're like running every day and eating wheatgrass juice and you have to fucking hold the camera for that show.
kurt metzger
Yeah, I remember I didn't drink for like five years, okay?
And I remember not like I was like I must have been so nauseous just when I was drunk because I can't stand everybody that was drunk around me.
You're not at the same speed anymore and it gets like annoying.
joe rogan
That's what it is.
You're not at the same speed.
kurt metzger
Yeah.
joe rogan
And you think everybody's on your speed.
When you're drunk you think like you think you're making sense and everybody's like oh my god Kurt listen to your voice.
There's fucking guys.
You guys are the best.
kurt metzger
Yeah, right.
joe rogan
It's so dumb.
It's so dumb.
But while it's happening, it's so fun.
kurt metzger
Yeah, as long as everybody's on board the same.
joe rogan
Yeah.
It's very fun while it's happening.
But the problem is the fucking price you pay, too.
Whenever I do Sober October, at the end of the month, I'm like, why would I drink again?
I'm like, I feel so good.
unidentified
Do you drink a lot?
joe rogan
I enjoy alcohol, my friend.
I enjoy a glass of whiskey.
I enjoy a glass of wine with dinner.
kurt metzger
You know what I've been drinking?
joe rogan
I like a margarita.
kurt metzger
Yeah, those are good.
I was like here and there.
I didn't quit because I feel like I have a drinking problem.
I was like, you know, I had an Oxycontin problem.
I didn't have a drinking problem.
Ryan Long got me into White Claws.
I've been drinking White Claws.
joe rogan
That's hilarious.
kurt metzger
People try to shame me, too, about it, and I don't give a shit.
joe rogan
Ryan Long's a funny dude.
He's a funny dude.
I hung out with him at the Vulcan.
kurt metzger
Did you- I forgot.
Funny dude.
When you brought up Legion's Gangs, did you watch Soda doing Chappelle and- No.
Pranking that Fox News producer for Tucker?
joe rogan
No.
Dude, I- Does Soda do, like, a Wicked Chappelle impression?
kurt metzger
It's a good impression, but I can hear Soda, but it's so hilarious.
So- I saw it come on my feed, and I didn't know what it was.
I was like, I don't want to listen to the whole podcast, but Jake called me and told me what the clip is.
So I guess a producer from Tucker Carlson, because Chappelle was on SNL, and I don't know why, but she's at Gas Digital.
So Dave Smith, you have Dave Smith on.
joe rogan
I love Dave Smith.
kurt metzger
So Lewis was up in Dave, he's like, you really should have Dave Smith on, because he really talks about this stuff.
joe rogan
Oh yeah, he knows his shit.
kurt metzger
And Lewis kept recommending him to her, and she goes, oh, you have his number?
He goes, yeah, he'd love to do it.
And she starts texting Dave Smith, like, it's such an honor.
All this, like, a little overly...
joe rogan
Jesus.
kurt metzger
With Dave's like, wow, this girl's really into Dave Smith.
So they figure out she thinks he's Dave Chappelle for some reason.
unidentified
How?
kurt metzger
Well, that was a lot of the mystery, was, like, how you would mix that up.
It turned out Lewis had said something that let her...
They went back and Lewis realized from texting.
joe rogan
Oh, no.
So he just flubbed a text?
kurt metzger
He told her, like, Dave is the closest thing I have to a brother about Dave Smith, but she thinks it's Chappelle.
joe rogan
Oh, my God.
Oh, no.
Dave is like one of those guys like Eddie.
You could say Eddie.
Everybody knows you're saying Eddie Murphy.
kurt metzger
Yeah, right.
joe rogan
You say Dave.
I say it all the time.
I say Dave.
I don't even have to bother saying Dave Chappelle.
kurt metzger
I don't remember.
Well, around Gas Digital, Dave Smith, you say Dave, it's probably going to be Dave Smith, but Lewis went and checked his texts, and that's how he realized that, okay?
So then they get Soder, they call Soder to call her up as Chappelle, so it's on mute for the podcast.
And I think his whole thing is he's going to use the name Louis Jane Gobez in every sentence that he says to her.
joe rogan
That's hilarious.
Dave Smith, by the way, is one of the most knowledgeable political guys I've ever talked to.
kurt metzger
I just did a thing with him.
joe rogan
He knows so much.
Has Jimmy ever had him on?
kurt metzger
They're trying to now, actually.
joe rogan
Oh, that would be a perfect fit.
kurt metzger
Yeah.
joe rogan
Yeah.
By the way, you're hilarious on Jimmy.
It's very fun.
It's very fun.
I'm glad he's got you doing that now.
It's such a great move because it really puts levity to all these crazy fucked up stories.
kurt metzger
It's better if I'm in the studio, too.
While he's doing it remote, it's not as good.
There's something about being in it.
joe rogan
There's a lag.
kurt metzger
Yeah.
joe rogan
Well, you don't feel each other's vibe.
kurt metzger
Yeah, right.
joe rogan
That's a real thing.
kurt metzger
I smoke so much more.
I mean, I always smoke a lot of weed, but so much more now because of being informed.
I hate it.
I mean, I really...
I don't know.
I enjoy being there.
That was one of the few...
I think I couldn't watch any more regular news for a few years.
joe rogan
It's hard.
It's hard because you got to run everything through a fucking filter.
You know, like, what are you trying to sell me?
What's actually going on?
And why are there so many pharmaceutical commercials?
kurt metzger
Yeah, and there's no...
Especially, like, friends of mine that had, you know, I was hooked on OxyContin.
Now, I didn't get tricked, but...
joe rogan
How did you get hooked on it?
kurt metzger
I knew it was heroin when I did it.
joe rogan
So you did it for fun?
kurt metzger
I had a legit prescription at one point from Hurt My Back and then...
joe rogan
Ah, the old Hurt My Back.
kurt metzger
Yeah, and I had like a Percocet, right, which still has, I guess, a Tylenol in it.
And then they were just around.
Like I could get my hands on them, the blue ones.
joe rogan
Oh.
kurt metzger
So I started taking those.
So I wasn't one of the people that they said it's not addictive to.
joe rogan
You knew?
kurt metzger
Yeah, by that time, everybody knew it was a drug.
So I don't blame it on, like, the Sackler family tricked me, but they did, you know, remember breakthrough pain?
joe rogan
Yeah.
kurt metzger
So that, I guess that's, you have a tolerance to heroin, and you...
joe rogan
It's called breakthrough pain.
kurt metzger
Yeah, they call it, like, ooh, the pain somehow broke through.
joe rogan
You just need a higher and higher dose.
kurt metzger
Yeah, that breakthrough term is a marketing term.
I didn't know that.
Like, that's what a breakthrough infection is.
That's not a medical, that's a marketing thing.
joe rogan
They tricked America into getting hooked on heroin.
Can you imagine that?
When we were kids, okay, like in high school, For example, when you heard about a rock star who did heroin, like when I heard about, I guess it was a little after high school, but Kurt Cobain.
I was like, God, he's doing heroin?
Doesn't he know?
Like, doesn't he know?
kurt metzger
That was in my high school.
I remember thinking that because I didn't do anything.
I was a witness.
I didn't drink or do, you know.
joe rogan
But what was the numbers back then of people who actually did heroin versus now?
kurt metzger
Later, years later, I found out a whole bunch of people on heroin in my high school because Tom's River...
Remember the pizza connection, all that shit?
joe rogan
Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.
kurt metzger
Like really pure heroin was coming in through Tom's River.
joe rogan
Wow.
kurt metzger
So High School North was the more, Heroin High was like the nickname of it.
And that was a little bit richer kids, and that was way more of a thing there.
But it was at my school too.
joe rogan
I was very innocent when it came to drugs, because most of my high school years I spent doing martial arts.
unidentified
Yeah.
joe rogan
So I really didn't party at all.
But my boxing coach, when I was 20, was this guy who was a longshoreman.
kurt metzger
Oh, crack?
He smoked crack?
unidentified
Oh, no, no, no.
joe rogan
He didn't do anything.
He drank a little bit, but big Irish guy.
Okay.
Great fucking guy.
But he worked with a guy that was a heroin addict.
And I go, he's a heroin addict?
He still has a job?
He goes, yep.
He goes, every day at lunchtime, he goes to this guy, he gets his bag, he sits in his car, he shoots it up, He sits in his car for an hour, and then he goes back to work.
I go, no fucking way.
He goes, yeah, and he's fine.
He goes, but he needs it.
He's got to get it every day.
But if he gets it every day, he's very functional.
I'm like, that's nuts.
I'm like, how many guys are like that?
But he knew a bunch of people who did heroin.
I was like, you know a bunch of people that do heroin?
Like, who the fuck's doing heroin?
Whereas now, if you hear, oh, my uncle's on pills, like, ah, fuck another one.
It's another one.
It's another one.
I mean, how many of our friends?
kurt metzger
Taking the needle out of it really takes some stigma away, I guess.
And also having it prescribed by a medical doctor.
joe rogan
Schaub had it, and people had to take it from him.
His friends had to take it from him.
kurt metzger
What do you mean?
joe rogan
Before I knew him well.
He got hooked on pills.
kurt metzger
Oh, right.
joe rogan
He had an oxy problem.
He got his nose shattered in one of his big fights.
I think it was Mirko Krokop hit him with an elbow in the nose.
This guy from Croatia is one of the most murderous kickboxers of all time.
Schaub actually knocked him out.
It was like Schaub's biggest win as a professional.
kurt metzger
He got elbowed in the process of doing that.
joe rogan
Yeah, he got his nose shattered in the process, so he got his nose fixed.
I'm pretty sure it was that fight.
He got his nose fixed, and then in getting his nose fixed, they got him hooked on the pills.
kurt metzger
Yum.
joe rogan
And he was just taking them.
Like, months after the surgery, he's still taking them, and his buddies pulled them aside.
kurt metzger
You get tolerance pretty quick.
joe rogan
But it's also when you're not supposed to just get off, right?
You're supposed to wean yourself off that shit, right?
kurt metzger
Well, you won't.
It's not like, um...
joe rogan
Benzos, you could die.
Benzos, you could die.
kurt metzger
Opiates, you think you're gonna die, but you're not.
joe rogan
Should you wean yourself off?
Do they, like, if they medically do it?
Like, if you went, checked yourself into a rehab and said, hey, I have an OxyContin addiction.
kurt metzger
Well, I didn't have to do that.
They prescribed me Suboxone to quit it.
joe rogan
Right, but if they, what I'm saying is, like, if you went, like, straight, like, you were, you were fucked up and you went straight to a rehab center.
kurt metzger
Yeah.
joe rogan
Like, would they wean you off of it?
kurt metzger
They give you Suboxone.
joe rogan
They give you Suboxone.
unidentified
Yeah.
joe rogan
And what is that stuff?
I've heard people talk about that.
kurt metzger
It's a little orange film.
But you have to be...
Oh, what's his name?
I'm blanking on his name.
He took it...
You're friends with him.
He's got a beard and he's a psychedelic...
What's his name?
I'm totally blanking.
unidentified
Duncan?
kurt metzger
Duncan!
Jesus.
joe rogan
Beard psychedelic?
kurt metzger
I'm like, yeah, I was really reaching.
joe rogan
That's that real weed, that's what that is.
unidentified
Is it indica?
joe rogan
That's real shit.
No.
kurt metzger
Go, thank God.
joe rogan
Jesus.
kurt metzger
I only like productivity weed.
unidentified
Yeah.
joe rogan
I don't know if that's real, by the way.
kurt metzger
Ari told me a story about him where he was somewhere and he was taken, he took some Suboxone after he had done, you know, Oxy or something and he got real sick.
So the stuff knocks it out of your system immediately, nail oxen or something when you take it.
So you're supposed to be in withdrawal before you take it.
So you have to wait until you're sick.
joe rogan
Oh, wow.
kurt metzger
You know, when you feel sick, and then you can take it.
Because if you don't wait, and you still have that stuff in your system, it kicks you into withdrawal immediately.
joe rogan
Now, is there a concern with people getting on Suboxone?
Because I remember Methadone.
kurt metzger
They'll keep you on it forever, by the way, if you want.
joe rogan
Yeah, that was the thing when we were playing pool back in the 90s that my friend Johnny B used to call these people the Methadonians.
They would come in from the methadone clinic.
So there would be like a methadone place that was right down the street.
And they would go to this methadone place, they'd get their fix, then they'd walk over and come to the pool hall.
And they'd just be like slack-jawed, knocking balls around.
And Johnny called them the methadoneans.
kurt metzger
Yeah.
joe rogan
It was so weird.
kurt metzger
And then they figured out at one point to take Xanax with it and it almost feels like heroin apparently.
joe rogan
Oh really?
Together?
kurt metzger
Yeah.
There's an HBO documentary about it.
unidentified
Oh boy.
kurt metzger
Like a few years back.
joe rogan
But they say that methadone is terrible for you.
kurt metzger
Yeah, I think that stuff's probably even more...
joe rogan
It's probably worse than heroin.
Is methadone bad for you?
unidentified
The withdrawal from that?
joe rogan
The withdrawal from methanol is worse?
kurt metzger
The withdrawal from Suboxone?
joe rogan
Yeah.
kurt metzger
Felt worse than the withdrawal from the Oxy.
joe rogan
Really?
kurt metzger
If I had just cold turkeyed that, that would have been a less horrible withdrawal.
joe rogan
Really?
kurt metzger
Yeah.
joe rogan
Wow.
kurt metzger
And I was taking...
joe rogan
How long were you taking Suboxone for?
kurt metzger
I don't know, like maybe almost a year, maybe not even, but I was down, dude, I was weaned down to the tiniest bit of it, because I was really like...
joe rogan
And even the tiniest bit when you got off it completely, you had horrible troubles.
kurt metzger
It sucked, dude.
Really?
Yeah.
joe rogan
Wow, so you tapered.
kurt metzger
Yeah, I'd take it.
joe rogan
Now, is that similar to methadone?
Is methadone supposed to be really bad when you try to get off of it, too?
kurt metzger
I've never taken methadone.
I don't know what it's like, but from what I get now, it's mostly suboxone.
I don't know if anybody's still taking methadone.
joe rogan
I'm very ignorant to methadone.
What exactly is methadone?
kurt metzger
I just know it is with the thing they used to give you before they had suboxone.
joe rogan
They give people when they were hooked on heroin.
kurt metzger
Because it blocks opiate.
I forgot.
Suboxone, part of it, blocks you.
I think methanol is supposed to do that, too, but it blocks you from being able to get high if you relapse.
unidentified
Oh, Jesus.
kurt metzger
There's no reason to take more, like...
joe rogan
Unless you just get off that fucking Suboxone.
kurt metzger
People get high off Suboxone too, but I didn't get any high of it.
I just didn't feel like sick when I was using it.
joe rogan
We had a guy on a long time ago that was, he worked in a rehab center and he said a lot of it was a scam.
And he said they would get you hooked on their stuff and their stuff was Suboxone.
kurt metzger
It does start to feel like that.
joe rogan
But if they have you hooked on it and you're not getting high, like what is it doing?
kurt metzger
Keeping you, well, for, like, heroin?
joe rogan
Like, say, you're not getting high on heroin anymore, and Suboxone doesn't make you high.
So you have to take it to function.
kurt metzger
That guy you're talking about that goes on his lunch break?
That sounds like he was doing just what he needed to feel normal.
joe rogan
But is this the case with everybody?
Because that sounds insane to me that you would have to be on something for a full year to get over something that, like, what would it normally be?
Like, if you were on those oxys and you quit cold turkey and had horrible withdrawals, how long would you feel like shit for?
kurt metzger
Well...
joe rogan
A week?
A month?
kurt metzger
Okay, so that's probably a week or less just the shitty feeling, but then you're not going to be right for a couple of months.
joe rogan
A couple of months?
kurt metzger
That's what I've experienced.
joe rogan
And like, what was that, like when you say weren't right, what do you mean by that?
kurt metzger
Just like an off, you know, you're burning out, whatever that, I don't know what that receptor is, but...
joe rogan
The good one.
kurt metzger
Yeah.
joe rogan
The one that makes the heroin.
kurt metzger
I beat on it quite a bit, so it probably, you know, benzos is worse, dude.
I think that's the one that, like, people...
joe rogan
That's the one that can kill you.
kurt metzger
Well, not just that, but I think it affects people I know that came off that, it affected them for, like, a Crazy amount of time.
joe rogan
So for you, it was like cognitive decline, dull feeling, no energy, no energy?
kurt metzger
But I wasn't really exercising a lot at that point, so that's a factor.
I didn't even realize how much, just if you go exercise, the energy, I didn't realize how much...
joe rogan
Dude, I say it all the time.
Nobody wants to listen because I'm a meathead.
It's a real problem.
kurt metzger
No, there's a deep, like, there's a deep, like, anger towards the very idea.
joe rogan
Yeah, there's a deep resistance towards exercise.
kurt metzger
And I remember feeling, not like I'm mad at somebody that does work out, but I remember feeling like, I don't remember why, but I remember having that kind of feeling of, like...
joe rogan
It's defensiveness.
It's hard to do.
That's what it is.
When you see something, when someone does something that's hard to do, also, it's connected to negative things, jocks, douchey male behavior, which I've been guilty of.
But it's not, that's not all it is.
Like exercise, like just non-meathead exercise, like yoga, is fantastic for you.
kurt metzger
Yeah, well, just mood stabilizing.
I didn't realize, because the other thing is, especially the whole time I lived in New York, I don't think I was getting sun-like.
I think I probably have vitamin D deficiency in a big way.
joe rogan
Oh, you 100% do.
100%.
If you're not supplementing with vitamin D, and you live in the Northeast, and it's the wintertime, you have vitamin D deficiency.
From food?
I think you can get vitamin D from some plants, like small amounts of it from some plants, but I think primarily you get it from being in the sun, unless you're supplementing.
kurt metzger
That's what I did first before I was in the sun first, and it felt like I got- Oh, it's the best.
joe rogan
That's the best way too.
That's by far the superior way to get vitamin D. Supplementing is just a safety measure, but you should supplement vitamin D. It's really important.
It's so important for your immune system.
kurt metzger
Yeah, right.
joe rogan
According to Ron and Patrick and a lot of other people that know a lot more than I do about it, they say it's not even really a vitamin, it's a hormone.
kurt metzger
Yeah, I wonder why you can get it from the sun if it's a vitamin.
joe rogan
It's pretty crazy, but it is a vitamin in that you could take it in a supplemental form.
But it's so beneficial for your immune system.
At one point in time, when they were linking COVID deaths with vitamin D deficiency...
kurt metzger
Four times higher survival rate if you had vitamin D levels, did you see that?
joe rogan
Yeah, it's really high.
And then the number of people that were in the ICU, the number of them, it was very high, that were deficient in vitamin D. It's just good for your immune system.
It's a mood stabilizer, too, for those poor people that live in Seattle.
Like, they need that something to fucking juice their mood up.
kurt metzger
That's the thing that the most I didn't realize.
joe rogan
Exercise.
kurt metzger
Or how much it would, like, even out of mood.
It's a game changer.
It's a game changer.
The reason I had Oxycontin in the first place was I hurt my back when I was working out.
Oh, really?
Yeah.
So it's not like I didn't know.
I just hadn't done it for long.
The whole pandemic, I didn't do nothing.
joe rogan
When you just sit around doing nothing, you feel like shit.
It's just normal.
kurt metzger
It's like stir-crazy, yeah.
joe rogan
It's like oil that's at the bottom of your engine tray, just sitting there.
It's not getting cranked over.
It's not getting used.
You just fucking feel gross.
And your body doesn't know what to do.
Your body's like, why aren't we doing anything?
You have requirements.
Your body wants to do things.
The problem is it sucks.
Like, you're lazy.
You get up in the morning, I get it.
I get it.
I fucking 100% get it.
That's the thing.
It's like, people think that people who do work out don't feel the exact same way they feel before they work out.
Because they kind of do.
There's most of the time when I work out, I don't want to work out.
kurt metzger
Oh, really?
joe rogan
Just make myself.
kurt metzger
I get a, like, a compulsive, so I'm, like, how it would be with, like, a drug or something.
joe rogan
Oh, so you're just looking forward to it.
kurt metzger
That's how I hurt myself, because I've got to be, like...
I'm not dumb now how I do it.
I don't do any stupid shit that's going to injure me because I'm not going for glory or something.
But I would injure myself because I would try to go too much.
joe rogan
Yeah, so that same addictive personality applies to your exercise too.
You get obsessive.
kurt metzger
Yeah, and then, you know, but a couple, like a few days go by, I didn't do anything, I start to feel like an urge that I have to, you know?
I feel like a, probably a lot of mood being held, a lot of my moods are probably being held together by that.
joe rogan
Well, I think that's most people.
I think that's the way the human body functions that it's most efficient, is when it's in a fit condition.
I think the mind works better, the hormones work better, the mood works better, the cognitive function works better, all of it works better.
The problem is it's just connected to so much douchery.
And then it's also hard to do.
kurt metzger
There really is an eternal high school...
joe rogan
Yeah.
kurt metzger
I mean, not just with that, with everything, where...
I've never seen it more than now, too, by the way, of like a petty, like, it doesn't matter what anybody's saying, it's like, what lunch table do they sit at?
joe rogan
Right, right, right.
kurt metzger
Do you want to be at the right table or not?
joe rogan
Well, fucking gyms are weird with that, too, right?
There's always, like, flexy dudes.
kurt metzger
The one I go to is not like that.
I mean, it's all West Hollywood, so.
joe rogan
You can go to a bad gym, though, where people are very broed out, and if you're just not into that, you're just like all screaming.
I mean negative towards other people that are working out there, which definitely happens, but sometimes people chalk up, and they get fucking crazy, and they push each other.
kurt metzger
Let's go, let's go, let's go!
Now, keep in mind, I just go there to get my dick sucked in the bathroom, and I'm out.
But I go every day.
Sometimes I want it, but I do it.
joe rogan
Don't say what the gym is.
But is it like an upscale gym, or is it like a fucking Gold's Gym type situation?
kurt metzger
It's not like Gold's.
Oh, should I not say it?
joe rogan
Don't say it.
Don't say it.
They're going to fucking find you.
kurt metzger
Oh, that's true.
joe rogan
Yeah.
And they're fine, you can try to suck your dick.
That's what they're...
That's what he likes!
kurt metzger
Oh, guys, don't come to this...
unidentified
That's what he likes!
kurt metzger
No, well, you ever have trainers?
I just don't want to be, like, hard-sold on a trainer, because, like, I go hike by my house, and then I do, like, wait, and I don't, like, have anybody even talking to me while I'm doing it.
joe rogan
Right.
Well, there's something to that, right?
It's like a meditative thing.
You're just doing your work.
But you definitely should talk to somebody that can show you good form.
That's one of the most important things.
Don't get injured.
kurt metzger
So when I joined, because I remember what I paid before.
I forgot the biggest hassle of it is the bargaining to not get upsold on all this shit and just get a basic.
So I looked up already what the price should be, because you know, like a variant.
So I showed a dude on the thing, and he had me come over and talk to him on a table, and he goes, okay, so what are your fitness goals?
My goal is never to listen to your upsells.
Ever.
I'm 46, dude.
I'm a clown for a living.
joe rogan
For some people, say, I'm an accountant.
My wife's been getting on me.
I really should exercise.
It's good for my health.
And you decide to join a place.
You know what I'm going to do?
I'm going to get a trainer.
When you'd sit down with that guy, you'd appreciate that forethought.
kurt metzger
That's the kind of thing.
I know what I want, so if I say I don't want it, and then you're trying to find a new way in, it's so annoying.
joe rogan
So you told them that you don't want a trainer.
kurt metzger
You ever do any retail where you have upsell items?
joe rogan
Fortunately, no.
kurt metzger
Okay, so I used to work.
I used to manage a Funkoland, it was called, when I was like 19. Is that like a kid's playhouse or something?
It became GameStop.
It was like, they merged with Electronics Boutique.
So it was like buying and selling video games, right?
And you could play them before you bought them.
That was like a huge deal at the time.
And, uh, every retail has upsell shit, so we had to sell cleaners for, like, you know, like the whole- A little air things?
You know, people would blow on their Nintendo cartridges to make them work.
unidentified
Uh-huh.
joe rogan
Oh, yeah, yeah, yeah.
kurt metzger
Yeah, so the cleaners work for those.
I would say if you were buying an old Nintendo, that's the only way it'd probably even work.
joe rogan
I remember that for VCRs too, right?
Head cleaners.
kurt metzger
Yeah, people would blow on it, which is like worse.
I'm already trying to sell you a cleaner.
So they made them for every system, and then you get some kind of warranty with it, and you would like, it's like 15 bucks, and the markup's like 200%, so you get commission, right?
And then you have to hit store numbers for the district manager, you know, like you're expected, because that's how they can be sure you're providing great service.
If you don't sell this many, like 25% sales, we know you're not giving the customers great service because customers need a cleaner.
So if you're giving good service, they've bought the cleaner.
So it would create like this thing where it was like just fraud in every store because you got to...
You know, if you're managing, you know the people that are good at this bullshit that you put up out front and some people that are like, you know, the non-social nerds.
You have them count shit in the back.
But there was always some kind of scam going on because it just created that.
Like, you got to hit these numbers.
And it was amazing, dude.
I really...
I didn't know that that was like how everything works.
Everything is like you got to hit these numbers and everybody just, you know, do whatever con job.
joe rogan
Well, people need incentive, right?
That's like cops.
They give cops like a certain amount of tickets they have to write every month in some places.
kurt metzger
Yeah, right.
joe rogan
Which is crazy.
kurt metzger
That's a great system.
joe rogan
What would you do if nobody sped ever?
What if nobody followed the rules for like one month?
What would they do?
If they really do have a quota.
And I know cops have told me they have a quota.
And I know I've read publicly that that's not true.
kurt metzger
I think it depends where you are though.
What township.
joe rogan
Well, it depends on what's the rule and what do they actually tell you you have to do.
Are they the same thing?
kurt metzger
How does that work?
joe rogan
Let's find out if that's true.
Maybe they stopped doing that.
Do cops have quotas for how many tickets they have to write?
Let's find out if that's true.
I know cops have told me they have it.
kurt metzger
I'll bet you it varies a lot.
joe rogan
So if you have like a corrupt sheriff, it's like, listen, these motherfuckers.
kurt metzger
It's probably not even corrupt.
joe rogan
It's like, we're gonna get that money.
kurt metzger
It's like, just, I'm sure it doesn't even come off as corrupt.
joe rogan
You know what the craziest corruption one they had?
What?
I don't know.
I think they still do it in some states, where if you have like 10 grand on you, they just take it.
kurt metzger
Oh, yeah, right.
joe rogan
So they pull you over, and you're going to buy a car, and you have $10,000 in cash on you.
Fuck you.
Give me that.
And then they spend it.
kurt metzger
Yeah, right.
joe rogan
They use it for all these police funds and all these different things.
They spruce up the station.
Got ourselves a nice TV, boys.
And they don't have to give it back for a long time.
You have to go to court for it.
kurt metzger
Yeah, right.
Wait, what's it called?
There's a term for it.
Seizure.
Asset seizure or something?
joe rogan
Asset seizure.
So like if you're going to buy like a fucking 69 Camaro, you know, you got 60 grand.
You're like, why do you have 60 grand?
You don't have 60 grand.
We have 60 grand.
You have a fucking cork test.
kurt metzger
Yeah, that's a lot of money in cash.
It's suspicious for you to just have that.
joe rogan
Yeah, you're not allowed to have that.
What are you going to do?
kurt metzger
It's probably drugs.
joe rogan
Probably drugs.
Isn't that hilarious?
If you have so much money, that's how lucrative drugs are.
They assume that if you have a lot of cash on you, you're selling drugs.
They don't think you're selling MAGA hats.
jamie vernon
Basically what I see is that it's not legal to have a ticket quota.
joe rogan
Regardless of the rumors, ticket quotas are a myth.
In fact, they're illegal in most states, but...
jamie vernon
But I've seen multiple things that say there's like unspoken...
Evidence suggests there's an unspoken thing about it.
kurt metzger
There's always a way around.
jamie vernon
It's about quotas in California from ex...
joe rogan
It's from ex-police officers.
jamie vernon
Yeah, so I don't...
kurt metzger
Because any job, they're going to judge you by numbers on the board, right?
Like, how much did you...
joe rogan
Of course.
So you're serious.
Quotas have been prohibited in California for 10 years, but police departments are even now facing lawsuits from their own officers alleging that ticket quotas are real.
jamie vernon
Yeah, there's a law about it in Texas.
joe rogan
So maybe it's like a thing where they try...
You're like, listen, man.
You want to get ahead in this business?
kurt metzger
I'm sure it is.
joe rogan
You got to sell the cleaner.
kurt metzger
Yeah, I think everything is that.
Because, you know, there's always a rule.
I always hear that about...
Who was I watching?
I was watching like, it's either FBI or CIA guy, but they're talking about, or I think it was a CIA guy talking about selling coke to fund the Contra or something like that.
They're like, that's illegal, like we're not allowed to do that.
And I'm like, you know, the mafia, it was illegal to sell, it was a death penalty if you were caught selling drugs.
And yet somehow, A lot of fucking drugs.
Very strict penalties.
Probably more strict than even agencies.
joe rogan
Yeah.
kurt metzger
Everybody outsources.
It's always outsourcing.
We don't do, what do you call it, gain of function.
We just pay a guy to do it.
joe rogan
Yeah, we don't do it.
kurt metzger
I'm not guilty of that.
joe rogan
We don't fund gain of function.
We fund the lab.
kurt metzger
Yeah, so there's always a way around.
Remember when they got the torture program and they went to...
joe rogan
Sorry, go ahead.
kurt metzger
But that was like bringing jobs back to America, kind of, in a way, because you just, like, send somebody to a country that does do that.
And then, you know, the Second Iraq War, when they made it, like, legal, that was what was so creepy about that, was to make it like, now we can do it.
joe rogan
Do you remember Michael Rupert?
kurt metzger
No.
joe rogan
Michael Rupert was a friend of mine.
He's a really nice guy.
He's like one of the first guys to gift me mushrooms.
Randomly as a gift.
He was a cop.
Who busted the CIA selling crack in South Central and using it to fund the war.
kurt metzger
Oh, I know who you're talking about.
unidentified
Yeah.
joe rogan
And he called it out in a courtroom.
kurt metzger
Yeah, I saw that.
I saw a video of it.
joe rogan
Yeah.
That's Michael Rupert.
kurt metzger
Wait, is he alive still?
joe rogan
No.
kurt metzger
Oh, yeah.
I was going to say.
joe rogan
No, he wasn't.
I don't think it's even suspicious.
I think he took his own life.
I think he was very depressed.
kurt metzger
Yeah, I bet.
joe rogan
I think he was living alone in a trailer on a farm somewhere.
He also was the subject of that movie Collapse.
You ever see that movie?
kurt metzger
No.
joe rogan
It's a wild movie.
And I don't know what the original premise was, but he sits down and he smokes cigarettes through this entire film.
It's just a guy talking and talking about the imminent collapse of civilization.
kurt metzger
I know what you're talking about.
joe rogan
Dependence on fossil fuels and just wild shit.
I don't know how much of it was accurate, but I know it scared the fuck out of a lot of people.
And it was like a really popular documentary.
kurt metzger
I remember it.
joe rogan
It's worth watching.
I mean, someone would have to have a knowledge of what he's saying, whether or not it's accurate.
But he, for sure, this is the film.
Play a trailer.
michael ruppert
Experience as an investigative journalist, I've broken major scandals.
Going out to try and map how the world really worked as opposed to the way we were told it worked.
Our map has proven deadly accurate.
My economic predictions, we had it so right.
In 2006, we said, get out of debt right now.
Check your mortgage carefully.
We issued a whole series of warnings.
unidentified
There will be nothing like we have ever seen before.
Everything that we said was going to happen is taking place right now.
michael ruppert
Gold prices, Pakistan, Afghanistan, the stock market.
It's not that Verdi Madoff was a pyramid scheme.
The whole economy is a pyramid scheme.
kurt metzger
Well, that sounds right.
michael ruppert
Of course I've been called a conspiracy theorist.
But I don't deal in conspiracy theory, I deal in conspiracy fact.
The mortal blow to human industrialized civilization will happen when oil prices spike and nobody can afford to buy that oil and everything will just shut down.
Unlike the Great Depression, we do not have infinite resources.
Nothing grows forever.
There is a cycle.
Birth, growth, maturation, decline and death.
Cars don't run.
The mail stops getting delivered.
Planes don't fly.
Law enforcement stops working.
This is all part of the collapse.
If you're in a camp and a bear attacks, you don't have to be faster than the bear.
You only have to be faster than the slowest camper.
The challenge being faced by the human race now is either evolve or perish, grow up or die.
You have to believe, not hope, not pray that there's a way out of it and you're gonna find it.
joe rogan
He was one of the first guests, you know, back when we were doing guests.
First guest that I was very excited to talk to.
When was this?
That was a while back, man.
Let's play this, because this is him on C-SPAN. Play this.
kurt metzger
Did you notice Variety in all the comments about how great this movie is?
joe rogan
Yeah.
Imagine today.
kurt metzger
Today, they'll be like, this is an insane...
joe rogan
It's colonizer talk.
kurt metzger
Yeah, like, that's the creepiest thing is how much they would have loved that message then.
And now, while it eerily sounds accurate, it's like, no, this is crazy talk.
joe rogan
It's propaganda, yeah.
juanita m mcdonald
Can you speak further into the mic, sir?
These mics don't seem to be...
michael ruppert
I will tell you, Director Deutsch, as a former Los Angeles police narcotics detective, that the agency has dealt drugs throughout this country for a long time.
joe rogan
This is on C-SPAN in 96. It's still there.
unidentified
That's where I'm playing it from.
juanita m mcdonald
All right.
Obviously, that is an answer for a lot of you.
Now, can you please?
michael ruppert
I refer.
juanita m mcdonald
All right.
Now, can you please?
michael ruppert
I refer direct.
juanita m mcdonald
Wait, wait, wait.
Wait a minute Wait a minute Wait a minute here.
Wait a minute.
If you don't like what's going on here, please leave now.
No, no, no.
michael ruppert
Leave.
juanita m mcdonald
No, no, no.
Leave now because there are others who do want to hear what's going on in this room.
Will you please take your seats?
I will come back to you as we roll back across to the center section.
michael ruppert
Director Deutsch, I will refer you to three specific agency operations known as Amadeus, Pegasus, and Watchtower.
I have Watchtower documents heavily redacted by the agency.
I was personally exposed to CIA operations and recruited by CIA personnel who attempted to recruit me in the late 70s to become involved in protecting agency drug operations in this country.
I have been trying to get this out for 18 years, and I have the evidence.
My question for you is very specific, sir.
If, in the course of the IG's investigations, and Fred Hitz's work, you come across evidence of severely criminal activity, and it's classified, will you use that classification to hide the criminal activity, or will you tell the American people the truth?
juanita m mcdonald
All right, you want to hear the response first from Congressman Julian Dixon and then from the director.
Wait!
Wait a minute!
From your...
From your...
I'm sorry, sir.
I will allow the director to speak first.
joe rogan
Shout out to that lady for taking control, by the way.
Like a boss.
john deutch
Listen to this.
If you have information about CIA illegal activity in drugs...
You should immediately bring that information to wherever you want, but let me suggest three places.
The Los Angeles Police Department.
joe rogan
This guy's like something from Columbo.
juanita m mcdonald
I'm sorry, others want to hear this answer.
I am sorry.
Others want to hear this answer.
john deutch
It is your choice, the Los Angeles Police Department, the Inspector General, or office of one of your congresspersons from this I did that 18 years ago, sir, and I got shot at for it.
juanita m mcdonald
Wait a minute.
Wait a minute, sir.
Wait a minute.
Wait a minute.
Wait a minute, sir.
john deutch
And?
juanita m mcdonald
Sir, you have not gotten the mic yet.
You are not.
But wait a minute, then.
Don't speak out of turn.
john deutch
Let me say something else.
If this information turns up wrongdoing, if it turns up wrongdoing, We will bring the people to justice and make them accountable.
juanita m mcdonald
All right, Congressman Dixon.
unidentified
Thank you, sir, for coming.
juanita m mcdonald
Wait, wait, wait, wait a minute here.
I thought you did not want to be here, but now that you are here, please let us hear and listen.
Thank you very much.
unidentified
Sir, I want to thank you for coming.
You were at the last meeting.
The staff probably had the spelling of your name wrong, but we would like to talk to you.
We have been looking for a couple of days for you.
And we want to...
We want to make sure that you contact the committee because obviously you have some valuable information.
If you want to give it to me privately, if you want to hand it to that aide where I can contact you this evening, please do it.
Don't let us get away without getting a contact for you.
Thank you, sir.
So everyone can see that I got it, that would be fine.
michael ruppert
Thank you, sir.
And for the record, for the record...
juanita m mcdonald
Please, please, please keep the noise down so that we can hear and we can get answers.
michael ruppert
For the record, my name is Mike Rupert, R-U-P-P-E-R-T. I did bring this information out 18 years ago, and I got shot at and forced out of LAPD because of it.
I've been on the record for 18 years nonstop, and I'll be happy to give you, Congressman, anything that I have.
unidentified
Thank you, Mr. Rupert.
joe rogan
Now, if you were cynical and you're watching that, you're like, I think the CIA faked a CIA guy.
kurt metzger
Do you think they did?
joe rogan
I mean, if you were playing 4D chess, no, I don't think so.
I think that's really who he is.
I mean, I know the guy.
kurt metzger
Yeah, because nowadays, I forget the one whose name, what was she?
Was she a congressperson?
joe rogan
They said it in the description.
kurt metzger
Because I imagine she would be having him taken out of there so he can't say anything.
joe rogan
Today.
kurt metzger
That's crazy.
She's like, hey, let him talk.
joe rogan
Well, back then there was no internet.
You've got to realize if someone actually had information like that and people suspected it all along, obviously those people weren't shocked.
kurt metzger
Yeah, right.
joe rogan
Right?
Those people in the audience are like, what?
No way!
They're selling drugs.
They were like, I fucking knew it!
Everyone was like, I fucking knew it!
That's what they were yelling out.
kurt metzger
Did you ever talk to Rick Ross, the real dude?
unidentified
Yes!
Yes!
joe rogan
The real Rick Ross.
kurt metzger
Yeah, right.
joe rogan
Yeah.
kurt metzger
That guy's very interesting.
joe rogan
He was very interesting.
He's the guy who was in charge of selling the drugs in South Central that was funding the Contras versus the Sandinistas.
kurt metzger
I mean, it's just such, but anyway, you just, you outsource that, and then you have deniability or whatever.
That's how that works.
joe rogan
That's how it works, and you can make so much money.
Or, what would you rather do?
Let all these other people make money doing it?
These bad people?
kurt metzger
Yeah, somebody's gotta make that.
joe rogan
We have to sell the drugs.
If the CIA doesn't sell the drugs, who's gonna sell the drugs?
kurt metzger
And also for a good cause.
unidentified
Yeah.
joe rogan
Imagine if that's how they've been, like, funding things forever.
Imagine if you found out that that's how they fund the UFO program.
kurt metzger
Well, you know, you know what I wonder about that?
Because that Bob Lazar episode was very creepy when I watched the thing.
But to him talking about it, it was eerie to hear him talk about it.
joe rogan
It was very confusing.
Because what he's saying is so out there.
You don't know.
I'm like, I'm definitely a fool.
But am I being a fool here?
kurt metzger
Yeah, no.
That's the little eerie part of it.
But then who would control...
Do you think the president gets to find out about it?
Or do you think it's purely...
joe rogan
Supposedly Nixon knew.
And Nixon took Jackie Gleason.
kurt metzger
Yeah, I know that.
joe rogan
And Jackie Gleason built a house out of the shape of the UFO that he saw, like, to represent the UFO that he saw.
And, like, the Jackie Gleason house was for sale just a few years ago.
It's in, like, what is it in, like, upstate New York?
I found out about this from this dude who gave me the book Best Evidence by David Lifton.
He was, like, a guitarist in a band.
That's it.
That's the UFO-inspired upstate New York house.
Look at this fucking house.
kurt metzger
Wait, that's not that big a house.
joe rogan
Well, it wasn't that big a house because he wanted to make it like the fucking UFO. So what it was was...
Oh, I see.
jamie vernon
Multiple properties.
joe rogan
Oh, I see.
kurt metzger
So he just started making UFO houses.
joe rogan
Apparently.
This is the rumor.
What the rumor was was that Jackie Gleason got drunk With Nixon.
And Nixon's like, you want to see a fucking flying saucer?
He's like, yes.
And then they flew to Wright-Patterson Air Force Base, I believe, was the rumor.
And they showed him, like, we have actually recovered.
kurt metzger
They had freezers of them, right?
joe rogan
I don't know if that's real.
I've never heard anybody say that they saw a body and have it be, like, 100% credible.
Other than maybe that Travis Walton guy who claims to have been abducted in the 1970s, he's another one of those guys, like, if he's telling the truth.
Okay, there were a number of labs we passed through before entered a section.
Nixon pointed out what he said was the wreckage of a flying saucer enclosed in several large cases.
Next, we went into an inner chamber.
There were six or eight what looked like glass-topped Coke freezers inside them with the mangled remains of what I took to be children.
Oh, that's right.
kurt metzger
Yeah, that's the thing I remember from this story.
joe rogan
So I'm conflating this with something else.
So that's right, they did have fucking supposedly dead frozen ones.
The revelation of the US Secretary holding the corpses of dead aliens shook Gleason to the core and he couldn't eat or sleep for weeks.
After being confronted by his wife Beverly, Gleason told her the truth about that night and swore her to secrecy, but Jackie and Beverly Gleason were already in the process of separating.
The final straw in the relationship would be Beverly breaking her vow and revealing the encounter to the magazine Esquire.
Oh, the wife sold him down the river.
kurt metzger
I wonder what that article...
So that article was where this story first came out?
joe rogan
Yeah, I guess so.
Stung and humiliated by the betrayal, Jackie stayed silent until 1986. Finally ready to talk, he invited Larry Warren, a flying saucer evangelist, author, and eyewitness to the Randall Sam...
Oops.
Fucking pop-ups.
No, I don't want your pop-up.
No thanks.
Thank you.
unidentified
Where were we?
joe rogan
86. Eyewitness to the Rendell Sam Forest UFO incident to his New York home.
After a few drinks, Gleason unloaded the whole unbelievable tale to an astonished Warren who spread the story amongst his community.
However, the story would end there.
Gleason died a year later, having only told his ex-wife, N. Warren, about the once-in-a-lifetime adventure with Nixon.
The tale would spread like wildfire, with the advent of the Internet confirming what UFO believers already knew.
The government knows everything about aliens, but reveal it only to the privileged few.
Huh.
jamie vernon
This is not true.
joe rogan
Okay, of course, because this is the blog of Skeptoid and Not Believe Everything.
Oh, this is Skeptoid that wrote this.
You read on the internoid.
The story doesn't end there.
In fact, there really is no story.
The Richard Nixon, Jackie Gleason, Dead Alien Chronicle, in a glass case tale, now accepted part of UFO internet lore, is based almost entirely on hearsay, coincidence, or an imagination.
And not just...
The dead alien children in the glass case part.
Wait a minute.
Why do they say that?
What is their reasoning for saying that it's not true?
They're saying it's anecdotal, which is obviously it's anecdotal.
Scroll up a little bit more.
Yeah.
So it says, as critical thinkers, we can't dismiss a story out of hand because it's preposterous, but we can dismiss a story if the facts don't fit together.
Aha.
So let's start with the established facts.
Richard Nixon, Jackie Gleason, Beverly Gleason, and Larry Warren were all real people.
Beverly and Jackie Gleason were really married.
Got divorced at 74, 75. Jackie and Richard Nixon are friends and played golf on a few occasions.
Jackie was an enthusiast about paranormal topics with a huge collection of books on the subjects.
Florida is a real place.
Homestead Air Force Base.
Esquire is a real magazine.
That's about it.
A little investigation into Nixon's daily diary reveals that Nixon was in Key Biscayne in February 1973 for a meeting with the AFL-CIO. He spent less than 40 minutes speaking and glad-handing with guests at Gleason's annual golf tournament at the Invery Golf and Country Club, which...
At most ten minutes available to chat with Gleason about UFOs.
Nothing else in Nixon's diary indicates that the president did or didn't slip his Secret Service detail and go on an alien adventure with Ralph Cramden.
But that doesn't mean he didn't do it.
That just means he didn't write about it in his diary.
Why would he write about that in his diary?
Where the story really starts to fall apart is Beverly Gleason's interview with Esquire because it doesn't appear to exist.
Interesting.
kurt metzger
Yeah, that's what I wanted.
joe rogan
The search of both Esquire's archives and internet in general turned up nothing.
unidentified
Hmm.
joe rogan
What did turn up, however, was an article supposedly written by Beverly from the National Enquirer dated August 16th in 1983. Discerning readers will note that the Esquire and the Enquirer have different thresholds for veracity and adjust their expectations accordingly.
That's a very good sentence right there.
kurt metzger
Yeah.
Well worded.
Yeah.
joe rogan
So it seems like there was no Esquire article, so that's bullshit.
kurt metzger
Yeah, Inquirer back then, I remember being closer to Weekly World News, because Inquirer became like celebrity gossip entirely, right?
When I was a kid, I remember it having wilder stuff in it.
joe rogan
Okay, in short, the piece makes Jackie look like a lunatic, befitting a spurned wife writing a tell-all about her famous ex-husband.
But the book wouldn't show Jack as he's never been seen before to anyone because Beverly never published it.
The Gleason UFO story got picked up by a few other tabloids, but mostly faded into obscurity.
So here's the thing, though.
But you could for sure imagine that his ex-wife wanted to sell a book.
You could also for sure imagine that Jackie would try to stop that book from being sold.
So there's that.
Maybe he bought her out.
How do we know that she didn't actually write a book?
Now, that's also because Nixon didn't write about it in his diary.
If Nixon's the fucking kind of guy who likes to get drunk and take people to see UFOs, he's not going to be meticulous about every fucking thing he does all day long.
And you don't think that they could hide that?
kurt metzger
I like that back then he was only really open about recording his racist rants and not his...
joe rogan
But dude, back then, fucking Lyndon Johnson used to take a shit in front of the reporters with the door open.
kurt metzger
So he could see how big his dick was?
joe rogan
Well, he was just, like, he didn't give a fuck.
And, like, he would have a conversation with y'all, but I gotta take a shit.
So he would sit there with his fucking pants down and take a shit in front of them.
A guy like that, whatever his fucking diary says, that's probably not all that happened.
unidentified
It's probably a fucking UFO in that diary somewhere.
kurt metzger
Do you think LBJ would record that he took his shit in front of reporters?
joe rogan
Yeah, well, took his shit in front of reporters, just let them know how big my cock is.
kurt metzger
That supposedly was, he had a thing with that, because he had like a huge, and he would try to like, I can't remember.
joe rogan
Rodney had a giant dick too.
kurt metzger
Dangerfield?
joe rogan
Yeah, and he used to do shows with a bathrobe on.
Just only a bathrobe.
kurt metzger
Really?
joe rogan
Naked under a bathrobe.
It would go out in front of the fucking, I saw him live like that.
kurt metzger
How do you get the word out?
joe rogan
When I was a security guard at Great Woods Center for the Performing Arts when I was 19, and I was backstage, and he was working there, and I couldn't believe I could actually see him.
I looked down the corridor, and I saw...
I couldn't believe it.
It's Roddy Dangerfield.
It's really Roddy Dangerfield.
It was one of those things as a kid, you're like, fuck, he's right there?
kurt metzger
Yeah.
joe rogan
Like, as a 19-year-old, that doesn't even make sense.
I saw Bill Cosby there.
kurt metzger
Oh, they're gonna tell me you saw his dick.
joe rogan
No, no, no.
I didn't see his dick.
But he was wearing a fucking bathrobe.
So this was during the bathrobe days.
There was a part in Roddy Dangerfield's career when he had just made it and didn't give a fuck.
And he was still partying hard.
kurt metzger
Was this after Go Back to School?
joe rogan
Yeah, yeah, yeah.
It was after the big movies.
And he would do stand-up and just go out there with a fucking bathrobe on.
This was also like when he was putting together the Rodney Dangerfield stand-up specials, which were the most important stand-up specials ever.
They introduced the world to Bill Hicks, Dice Clay, Sam Kinison, Dom Herrera, Lenny Clark, who else?
Wasn't Jerry Seinfeld on those too?
kurt metzger
I think so.
joe rogan
I think so.
I'm not sure.
Seinfeld might have already been...
I think he was already really popular by then.
But you look back on the Dangerfield ones, like if you got on that Dangerfield special, that was a fucking stamp of approval.
Like, holy shit, you're on the Dangerfield special?
That was a big deal.
unidentified
When was that?
kurt metzger
What was that?
80s?
joe rogan
Those are like 86-ish.
Because I think Kinnison really popped in 86. Yeah.
And so it was around that time, because I remember he was fucking murdered on that special.
Hicks killed us.
Dice murdered on that special.
kurt metzger
Yeah, right.
joe rogan
Those specials, there was a couple of them.
They were so big.
kurt metzger
They were HBO? Yeah, yeah, yeah.
joe rogan
Rodney Dangerfield's young comedian special.
And you knew that if those guys came to the fucking Catch a Rising Star or the improv, you had to go see them.
That's how I found out about so many comedians that became some of my favorites.
That and the fucking Tonight Show.
People forget, the Tonight Show used to be how you found out about a good comic.
kurt metzger
Wait, did I tell you Keyboard Jeff from Comedy Store?
You know Jeff that passed away?
joe rogan
Yeah.
kurt metzger
He told me a story, and I think this has been verified on a podcast, but they were doing Cogan and Richard Pryor Jr. fucked Sam Kinison up the ass, because Sam Kinison said, I gotta know what it's like to be fucked by Richard Pryor Jr., and then he did, and I think Richard Pryor Jr. has told this on a podcast.
joe rogan
Mmm, I would imagine that's possible.
kurt metzger
Yeah, I mean...
joe rogan
Sure.
kurt metzger
That's a wild...
joe rogan
You're doing coke?
People get crazy.
kurt metzger
And you surpass the comedy legacy of your father?
unidentified
It is, asshole!
Imagine thinking you can get it through DNA. Yeah.
joe rogan
Imagine if it was that easy.
Like, talented sperm would be so valuable.
Like horse sperm, kind of.
Oh, my God.
kurt metzger
Yeah.
joe rogan
Laugh at first sight.
So this is someone telling the story.
unidentified
Yeah.
jamie vernon
There's a couple other links for that.
joe rogan
Well, there you have it, folks.
We've proven that much more than we've proven the Jackie Gleason UFO thing.
unidentified
If only we had that kind of...
joe rogan
That kind of anecdotal evidence.
jamie vernon
That actually ends with it saying it could be true.
That whole skeptical thing.
joe rogan
The Jackie Gleason thing?
jamie vernon
Yeah, so there's four possible answers for this, and one of the four was that it could be true.
joe rogan
Yeah, that is a possibility.
kurt metzger
Elvis was a DEA agent after meeting with Nixon.
joe rogan
See, this is the thing.
We were talking about Bob Lazar, and after I've talked to him, and I've seen all the interviews he's done, I've talked to the detractors, and I've listened to their take on things.
I think he worked there, man.
I think for sure he worked there.
Whether or not he worked there on something that actually came from another planet, that's where it gets weird.
People who work there for sure remember him.
They've told people they remember him.
He knows his way around the buildings.
Even Los Alamos Lab, he knows his way around the buildings.
kurt metzger
Yeah, right.
joe rogan
Like, he knows how to navigate the place.
kurt metzger
So who would know about it?
That's the thing I always wonder is, like, with the...
Okay, Nixon, I guess.
joe rogan
They said he never worked at Los Alamos, but he was on the fucking employee register from that year.
If you can go there, you can find it.
So they lied.
kurt metzger
Yeah, well, that makes it suspicious when, like, why do you need to lie about a guy who is making it up?
joe rogan
I think he thought they were going to take him out, so he spilled the beans as hard as he could spill the beans.
kurt metzger
It really is, uh, because, you know, that guy we just watched on C-SPAN, you don't have to come kill you, it can just make you...
joe rogan
Make you look nuts.
kurt metzger
Yeah, and if you just learn about things, it's awful.
Like, I started smoking more weed while I was watching that C-SPAN thing.
It really is horrible.
It's terrifying.
I don't recommend it.
joe rogan
I know.
That's the thing.
You're working with Jimmy Dore now.
And because you're working with Jimmy Dore, Jimmy's constantly exposing insane corruption that no one's talking about.
Constantly.
And constantly calling people out.
kurt metzger
It's all shit that I wouldn't know about because nobody talks about it ever.
joe rogan
You don't hear about it.
kurt metzger
It really is.
And it's stuff that...
The weird thing I was telling Jamie is it'll be report on something and then I'll notice the other news, YouTube and elsewhere, reporting on it later, like four months later they're talking about it.
Like an embargo has been lifted when you're allowed to review the...
joe rogan
Things get to a point where they're so prevalent in the news that you kind of have to address them now.
kurt metzger
There's a thing where if you want to have access to the people, you're going to have to be doing part PR for them, or you're out of the club.
So all these people that he's had on, this is what I like about him, is all these people he's had on, if they don't do the thing they said, he brings it up.
He doesn't politely, you know, he doesn't do any of that team shit where you're supposed to like, I know this is a lie, but we have to go with it because the bad people could win.
joe rogan
They all do that.
And that's not journalism.
You can't get it from those forms anymore because they're holding water for so many different entities.
It's so hard for them to just spit facts.
And I think the way you two guys do it together is so refreshing because it's like true.
Like you go over facts and details and then you're constantly cracking jokes.
It's like there's levity to it.
kurt metzger
I'm kind of just watching it, laughing.
It creates an effect, I think, to have a laughy guy.
joe rogan
Well, it's also perfect.
Your type of joke writing is perfect for that kind of shit.
kurt metzger
Yeah, right.
joe rogan
You know what I mean?
It syncs up.
kurt metzger
You're a quick Well, if I give him stuff, because I like to have more time for my first angry thoughts to at least try to marinate into clevers because they don't come out.
He's good at delivering.
joe rogan
Angry and funny at the same time.
kurt metzger
Yeah, he's very good at delivering that.
Rather than tweeting.
joe rogan
Right.
That's the worst way to do it.
kurt metzger
Yeah, it's probably the worst way to do it.
joe rogan
It's just all context is lost.
Everything's lost.
kurt metzger
It's also like when they talk about people want to take your information.
I didn't really understand.
It doesn't just mean like a corporation.
It means just all kinds of people looking to see if they can find something that they could make a name for talking about that you tweeted.
joe rogan
Oh, yeah, for sure.
kurt metzger
So there's also that.
joe rogan
Well, that's a whole ecosystem now, calling people out for things.
It's an ecosystem.
kurt metzger
There's a whole business being destroyed right now.
joe rogan
But there's people that that's all they do.
You want some more of this?
kurt metzger
Yeah.
joe rogan
That's all they do is call people out.
That's their only contribution, which is great.
kurt metzger
I can't believe how much that became the real news.
Because they don't want to pay to do journalism, so all the people that just got their start doing that moved up through the ranks into real news.
joe rogan
Yeah.
Bizarre.
And then it functions like real news.
That's how real news functions.
And also, you know, when the rise of these independent things like Jimmy Show and Crystal and Kyle and Sagar...
You know these people who are trustworthy like you could you could count on them to give you information They have opinions and perspective and they might have their own biases But they're not liars and they don't own they're not owned by a lot of them a lot of them do get money for you be surprised It's been very surprising who gets money from what since I've been I don't think any of those guys do the guys that I just mentioned well Jimmy doesn't All the Ukraine stuff,
kurt metzger
here's what's really creepy to me, is it's all slow to mention how fucked up the Ukraine situation is.
And the other really eerie thing is, I remember this before I did anything with Jimmy's show, like in 2018, they were constantly reporting on Ukraine's got a Nazi problem.
That was a huge, on all the major things they were saying.
joe rogan
And corruption, deep, deep corruption.
kurt metzger
Yeah, and so now, if you look at New York Times, he showed it, the celebrated Azov battalion.
They've even dropped saying the Nazi part.
Did you see the thing of Jon Stewart hanging the medal on the Nazis' neck at Disney World with a Mickey Mouse behind him?
joe rogan
No.
kurt metzger
What?
Yeah, that's one of the ones we did.
The guy covered it up.
joe rogan
Oh, are we talking about sketch?
kurt metzger
No.
joe rogan
What do you mean?
kurt metzger
In real life.
joe rogan
Hold on.
Explain that.
What did you...
kurt metzger
It was like the Warrior Games at Disney World and a hero, an Azov hero...
One, like, best guy on the team.
I don't know how there's time to go to Disney World, but Jon Stewart hangs a medal on his neck, and he's got a red...
In the photo, he's got a red thing covering it up.
It's one of those Black Sun, you know, the Himmler...
I think it's like the occult thing, right?
He's got that on his elbow.
unidentified
What?
kurt metzger
So, yeah.
That's a very...
Oh, there he is.
Yeah, okay.
That's the guy.
But look at the picture of the guy in the hospital.
Sweet make-a-wish kid with a black son.
joe rogan
Is that real?
kurt metzger
Yeah.
The thing is creepy is all the regular news reported this up until, abruptly, now it doesn't come up.
Which I can understand if we were at war.
joe rogan
So he had something covering up his arm?
kurt metzger
Yeah, so he's got a thing covering it up.
joe rogan
So he had a thing to cover up his tattoo.
kurt metzger
Yeah, but...
joe rogan
Wow.
kurt metzger
I mean, holy shit.
Walt Disney's dream coming true.
Yeah.
Is that wild?
joe rogan
Well, did you ever see the thing that happened with Candace Owens?
kurt metzger
No.
joe rogan
Where Candace Owens was talking about how corrupt the New York Times is.
The New York Times tried to play gotcha with her.
kurt metzger
Oh, really?
joe rogan
And they said, what are you referring to?
Like, what references?
And she goes, your own fucking newspaper.
And she sent them all these links from like 2017 from the New York Times talking about how corrupt Ukraine is.
kurt metzger
There's like a...
joe rogan
When a narrative shifts like that, and you don't say, what Russia's doing is absolutely horrific.
kurt metzger
Yeah, right.
joe rogan
No ifs, ands, or buts about it.
kurt metzger
Right.
joe rogan
But...
This is a place that is also...
Those people don't deserve that.
The people that are citizens there, they don't deserve bombing.
That's not what I'm saying.
What I'm saying is the government has always been criticized there, and now it's not.
kurt metzger
No, now it's...
This is my favorite.
I've heard this line three times.
Yeah, it's corrupt, but they're trying.
I've heard that over and over again.
joe rogan
They don't deserve to be attacked.
I think there's a lot of parts...
kurt metzger
Yeah, there shouldn't be a...
None of this should be happening, but there's some kind of proxy thing here.
It's very weird that we spent more on this than Russia spent doing the invasion.
We now surpassed what Russia has spent.
joe rogan
But what about this FTX thing?
kurt metzger
Oh, yeah, well...
joe rogan
That's where it gets crazy.
kurt metzger
Which I love is they're all reporting on, like, how could this happen?
Like, you know, he would play League of Legends while he's on the phone doing a $20 million deal.
And then, who was it?
Goldman Sachs?
Somebody's like, I love this kid.
They all think it's great.
How could they think it's great?
Because he's a rich kid with connected parents.
If he was just some jerk off off the street who looked like that, they wouldn't be like, oh, this is great.
joe rogan
Well, his mom was a big Democratic Party operative, right?
Wasn't she something along those lines?
kurt metzger
Yeah, also MIT. The guy at the SEC that he would talk to was an MIT professor.
joe rogan
Hold on.
Go back, Jamie.
What did you just show me?
jamie vernon
I was trying to find the actual thing, and that wasn't it, but this is what he was talking about.
joe rogan
Crypto's biggest crash saw a guy playing League of Legends while luring investors.
So while he was playing this fucking game while he was talking to the investors?
kurt metzger
If you just pay a bunch of money to the media, which is what he did, they'll just write things about how great you are.
joe rogan
That's the other thing.
kurt metzger
He donated.
He was a jerk-off.
They'll write your...
Because there's only two kinds of stories.
My friend, I used to work with...
She told me it's either puff, outrage.
It's like puff pieces or hit pieces.
That's all they do.
Because that's how you get people to look at it and whatever.
That's all they can do.
joe rogan
So you can bribe these companies to do puff pieces.
kurt metzger
That's what he did.
joe rogan
Isn't that wild?
kurt metzger
The guy from Shark Tank that...
They asked him, he's like, I'd work with him again.
joe rogan
Well, I think he was actually one of the guys that got paid, too.
unidentified
Of course!
joe rogan
I think he's one of the spokespeople, wasn't he?
unidentified
Yeah.
joe rogan
Kevin O'Leary?
jamie vernon
He had to give some fun disclosures on that video where he's like, before we get started on this, let me tell you that all my business accounts are involved in FTX and I've invested in it.
kurt metzger
Dude, there's a video of him on Shark Tank tearing apart some guy who brought a Ponzi scheme to him.
joe rogan
Oh, no.
kurt metzger
In fact, what did I say?
I think it's CoffeeZilla.
joe rogan
Maybe he believes in this kid.
kurt metzger
Yeah, but he does it's just if you know the right people and you're that his brother works with like a Gap or something a guard against pandemics every single thing that you would see Did you see what the young lady said she posted it on Twitter about her regular amphetamine use?
joe rogan
Oh, they're checking people's make life.
What does she say makes real life seem silly?
See if you can find out what her post was but she was talking on Twitter about a How consuming amphetamines on a regular basis made non-medicated life seem dumb.
kurt metzger
Oh, no shit!
Do you see the obvious things they're saying?
joe rogan
Nothing like regular amphetamine used to make you appreciate how dumb a lot of normal non-medicated human experience is.
That is a hilarious thing to say from someone who, in April 5th of 2021, is responsible for how much money?
kurt metzger
Dude, but you know what's crazy?
They're all whacked out on legal prescription drugs.
joe rogan
Yeah, yeah, they're whacked out on...
There's another thing that he was taking in a transdermal patch.
He was taking Schledgeline or something like that.
kurt metzger
I just watched that dude.
He's like a weightlifter guy.
joe rogan
More dates, yeah.
More plates, more dates, Derek.
kurt metzger
Boy, that guy knows all the chemicals.
Was he like a chemical engineer?
joe rogan
No, man.
He's just fucking super smart and reads research.
kurt metzger
I know.
It's so funny when people are like...
joe rogan
I thought he was a chemist.
kurt metzger
Everybody I ever knew that was some kind of fitness freak knew a lot of shit about they weren't like stupid people that shouldn't do research They were way ahead of everyone else I knew You know how like Weightlifting supplements.
joe rogan
Oh yeah, man.
Listen, I know a lot of people that know a lot of shit about when you should eat for the maximum amount of absorption of the protein.
kurt metzger
Yeah, right.
joe rogan
How many grams per pound of body weight you have to take.
kurt metzger
That kid with that fledgling, that's amazing.
A kid that out of shape is like weightlifter knowledge of nootropics.
Yeah.
A bodybuilder guy?
joe rogan
That's his body.
His body is his mind.
His body is just carrying his mind around.
kurt metzger
What are the effects he said it does?
Where it makes you enjoy doing boring work or something?
joe rogan
Yeah, I think it was something along those lines.
Find Derek's video on it, because Derek describes it.
But the Sledgling one, he had a nicotine patch.
It was like a patch.
So you're just like getting that slow drip of whatever the fuck that sludging stuff is all day.
kurt metzger
That stuff stays in you for a while.
Those kind of things, those ones where it stays for a while, you can't just go off it.
joe rogan
Or a transdermal?
kurt metzger
Yeah.
Not the patch.
I don't know.
jamie vernon
It's a 20 minute video.
I don't know what the part would be.
unidentified
Maybe...
joe rogan
Just start it.
Yeah, right there.
That's the stuff.
kurt metzger
That's the stuff.
M. Sam.
@derek fitness
This.
joe rogan
Okay, so he's gonna go, he has his medical disclaimer.
He's smart about the way he handles stuff.
@derek fitness
Sup guys, Derek, moralpolatesmortadates.com.
Today we're talking about Sam Bankman-Fried and his nootropic use, his drug use, his cognitive enhancing, dopaminergic enhancing drugs that he's using to stay cognitively fucking dialed, dude, for being the hyperproductive entrepreneur that he is, bro.
So, if you haven't seen I'm sure you've probably seen, if you're clicking this, the FTX debacle.
He's all in the news and has been for a minute now.
Crypto fears.
Contagion is billions owed to creditors.
Sam Bankman-Fried becomes an ESG truth teller.
FTX fires three of Sam Bankman-Fried's top deputies.
Celebs like Tom Brady, Larry David did ads for crypto giant FTX. Now they're getting sued.
Sam Bankman Freed says, fuck regulators, Musk's Twitter ultimatum and making TikToks instead of ads.
Matt Levine on the collapse of Sam Bankman Freed's FTX in Alameda.
So apparently this guy went from a billionaire to nothing essentially overnight from this complete disaster of a situation.
If you want some insight onto exactly what happened, check out CoffeeZilla.
High quality information on a regular basis in a highly entertaining format.
Highly recommend his channel for anything crypto scam related essentially.
Or anything financials.
kurt metzger
You know who has a good thing on FTX that is not making any conclusions?
This guy, Upper Echelon Games.
I watched a really good...
It's actually great.
I can't remember what it is, but it's about FTX when it fell, and he doesn't claim anything.
He just shows...
It's worth watching.
joe rogan
That other guy, the guy who was the head dog at Google?
Was it Google or Facebook?
Chamath?
Where was he from?
Is he from Google, right?
jamie vernon
I think he runs a venture capital fund.
I don't know.
He probably used to work there.
joe rogan
Wasn't he like the top guy of Google?
Anyway, he's a billionaire and he really understands it.
And he actually reached out to them, contacted them and said, you know, you should form a board.
And they told him to go fuck himself.
That's literally what they said.
kurt metzger
Go fuck yourself.
joe rogan
He was like, he's a fucking billionaire financial guy who actually understands how money works.
And he said, this is what you guys gotta do.
And they're like, go fuck yourself.
kurt metzger
Do you think the new tropics were making them arrogant?
joe rogan
They're on speed all day, man.
These guys are jacked up on speed and making billions.
And they're fucking each other.
All of them.
All nine of them.
kurt metzger
And a house in the Bahamas just smells like nerd fucking.
joe rogan
Just nerd fucking.
Just taking Mountain Dew and Sledgeline, using a trackball.
jamie vernon
These tweets on the side of this are crazy.
That's probably what he's talking about.
joe rogan
What's he saying?
jamie vernon
It says, like, M. Sam has fatal side effects when eating with meat products.
kurt metzger
Yeah.
joe rogan
Oh, so is that why he's a vegan?
jamie vernon
Pathological gambling and hypersexuality.
kurt metzger
Yeah, it's that fearlessness.
joe rogan
Pathological gambling and hypersexuality.
kurt metzger
Have you heard of this before?
I've heard of this with other drugs.
joe rogan
Whoa!
Well, one of them, Re-Equip.
You know what Re-Equip is?
kurt metzger
No.
joe rogan
Re-Equip is a Parkinson's drug that got pulled from the market.
jamie vernon
That's what this is.
joe rogan
Is that what it is?
jamie vernon
Yeah.
This is Re-Equip?
It says it's developed to treat depression or Parkinson's and is off-label alertness and focus benefits.
joe rogan
But is it the same drug?
Is it Re-Equip?
jamie vernon
I'll check.
It could be Re-Equip.
joe rogan
Maybe.
Find out if it's the same thing as Re-Equip.
Because Re-Equip, they lost a court case where a guy became a gay sex and gambling addict.
kurt metzger
I remember that!
joe rogan
He was a heterosexual guy with Parkinson's.
He had a little bit of a shake, and so he starts taking this drug, and he just can't stop sucking cock and rolling dice.
He's just out there, compulsive behavior, wildly compulsive, like finding people on ads and just fucking them, and they fuck him, and wild shit.
He couldn't believe what he was doing.
He just lost his fucking mind.
And they attributed it to the drug.
I remember that.
I think he got hundreds of thousands of dollars in the settlement.
kurt metzger
Well, there was an ad.
I can't remember what drug it was for, and I remember hearing it.
I want to say it was an antidepressant, but you would hear, like, if you feel a sudden urge to gamble, contact your dog.
Like, that's an odd...
joe rogan
But with this guy, it's crazy because I don't know that there were other cases that were similar.
I just heard of this one.
kurt metzger
The gambling thing must have happened.
If they're saying that on the commercial, that must have happened a lot.
joe rogan
But is it the same drug?
Are we talking about the same drug?
Or is it other drugs that make you gamble, too?
kurt metzger
Any of those ones that are, you know, with the suicidal ideation or whatever they call it happens, there's something that inhibits your fear.
Your anxiety about all kinds of things, but it could be for death, too.
You're supposed to be afraid of taking your own life.
joe rogan
Well, also taking other people's lives.
That's the correlation, not causation, that people make with psych drugs and shooters.
kurt metzger
Yeah, well, Tom Cruise, when he said Matt Lauer was being glib, I laughed, but you know what?
Matt Lauer was being glib.
joe rogan
Well, Matt Lauer thought that he was informed.
Because that's what we were told.
We were told that there's a chemical imbalance.
And it turns out that that's not based on anything.
Like, that whole thing about people that are depressed have a chemical imbalance?
kurt metzger
Yeah.
joe rogan
It's in the commercial.
kurt metzger
I forgot.
They go, it's thought to work this way.
Their wording is legally, not that they know this, they go, we think it works.
And it was right in the commercial.
And I didn't remember that from the commercials.
joe rogan
I think they're allowed to say, we think it works that way.
But I think now they know that that's not necessarily the case.
What is the case now when they say...
So the statement used to be that there was like a measurable chemical imbalance that certain people had that was leading them to be depressed.
And now they're saying that's not something they can measure.
Isn't that correct?
kurt metzger
Yeah.
Well, I don't know.
joe rogan
Find out what that is.
kurt metzger
An article came out where they said like...
joe rogan
They said that's not true.
It was based...
Well, there's a lot of...
Really crazy ones you find out.
Like the amyloid plaque one with Alzheimer's?
kurt metzger
Yeah.
joe rogan
Turns out it was horseshit.
It was based on fraudulent data.
Oh, I didn't hear that.
It's based on fraud.
Popular theory about depression wasn't debunked by a new review.
So it wasn't debunked.
This is from technologynetworks.com.
So psychiatry gave up on the chemical imbalance theory a long time ago, they're saying.
So they're saying maybe it's a common thought and they're saying it like it was a recent thing, but it wasn't.
The review published by international research team including first author...
Professor Joanna Moncrief aimed to assess the available evidence for and against the serotonin theory of depression systematically.
The team explained this theory near the start of the paper.
The theory is the idea that depression is the result of abnormalities in brain chemicals, particularly serotonin.
The theory has been around for decades, but their overreaching conclusion is that That it is not correct, given that there appears to be no link between measurable serotonin concentration and depression.
kurt metzger
Okay.
joe rogan
The reaction of many academics, briefly as obviously, in comments, UK-based Science Media Center, Dr. Michael...
kurt metzger
Oh, wait a minute.
This is some kind of, I'll bet you this is some industry fucking thing.
Because all they're saying is, oh no, no mental health professional says that.
But people think that.
joe rogan
Yeah, but scroll back up again.
I want to finish what he's saying.
So he says, the findings from this umbrella review are really unsurprising.
Depression has lots of different symptoms, and I don't think I've met any serious scientists or psychiatrists who think that all causes of depression are caused by a simple chemical imbalance in serotonin.
But that's not what they're saying.
They're saying they do say sometimes that there's a chemical imbalance in serotonin that causes depression.
People have always said that.
So if that's what people were saying, they're not saying that's the only reason why you're depressed.
See how he's wording this?
kurt metzger
But they market it to you.
But who's they?
The company, well, okay, I don't remember the name of the drug, but the old commercial I saw played, and so they're saying right there, we think it's out.
They're not guaranteeing it in the commercial, but everyone I knew remembers it as, oh, it's that simplified thing that they're all saying, none of them were ever saying.
Well, maybe they weren't in charge of marketing, but the people in charge of marketing were making it seem very much like that's the thing.
joe rogan
So there's different doctors.
Scroll back up.
There's different doctors who do a better job of explaining it.
This guy, or better to me, rather.
Dr. Professor Phil Cohen.
Cowan or Cohen?
I'm not sure.
kurt metzger
They're saying what I'm saying.
joe rogan
Professor of psychopharmacology at the University of Oxford said no mental health professional would currently endorse the view that a complex heterogeneous condition like depression stems from a deficiency in a single neurotransmitter.
So he's saying that it's probably more things.
kurt metzger
Do you see down there what it says?
That it was heavily pushed by drug companies?
Yes.
So that's exactly that.
joe rogan
Where does it say it?
kurt metzger
Read that.
Uh...
joe rogan
Yeah, okay.
kurt metzger
88% of respondents believed a chemical imbalance to be the cause of depression.
This idea, the authors point out, was heavily pushed by drug companies aiming to sell serotonin selective reuptake inhibitor compound.
joe rogan
So- Read it for Eli Lilly.
kurt metzger
Oh, Eli Lilly, for example, promoted their compound Prozac in 2008 with the following.
Many scientists believe that an imbalance in serotonin, one of these neurotransmitters, may be an important factor in the development and severity of depression.
Prozac may help to correct this imbalance by increasing the brain's own supply of serotonin.
That's from the commercial.
I remember that.
And so there's all these maybes and we don't knows, but you don't remember that.
You just remember, oh, that's what causes it.
joe rogan
Exactly.
kurt metzger
I saw an animated diagram of what causes it.
joe rogan
So they're not totally lying.
kurt metzger
It's just the way Wormy advertise.
It's so gross.
That's the thing.
Ask your doctor.
joe rogan
Yeah.
kurt metzger
Oh, okay.
That's fucking crazy.
joe rogan
And your doctor's supposed to be telling you what you should take, and you're asking your doctor about these things.
kurt metzger
And then all of a sudden, there's a big panic of like, wait, don't ask your doctor about these ones right now.
joe rogan
Oh, yeah.
kurt metzger
They've been telling people to ask their doctor, and all of a sudden, but don't even look...
joe rogan
Not the off-label stuff.
Can't make any money off of that.
kurt metzger
Who would ever use things off-label?
Isn't it wild?
What is he using?
Parkinson medicine to steal your money back?
You know what that is?
It's an affinity scam like, you know, Madoff preyed on a lot of Jewish people because they trusted him.
It's called an affinity scam when you try to prey on a fellow something.
And this kid, that's an affinity scam of fellow connected rich people.
They all trust.
Oh, his pedigree is impeccable of his family's connections.
joe rogan
Someone was trying to explain to me Epstein, and we were talking about it, the Epstein Island thing, like, why would people go there?
And I'm like, because other people were there.
kurt metzger
Bill Clinton's there.
joe rogan
But it's also, if you're like, fucking Bill Clinton's there, for sure we're safe.
unidentified
This is the place to go.
kurt metzger
Him and Tony Blair, they'll show up at anything if you give them the right amount of money.
They'll sit with this kid in board shorts and, like, unkempt hair and talk about crypto.
joe rogan
But that is one of the wildest things that Epstein did, is get all those prominent people to go.
And it's not just guilt by association, it's also, like, it's a greeting card for all the other people.
kurt metzger
Yeah.
joe rogan
Like, have you ever been invited to a party and they'll tell you someone famous is gonna go?
kurt metzger
Yes!
joe rogan
It's a weird thing.
kurt metzger
That's a honey trap.
joe rogan
Like, hey, if you go, Drew Carey might be there.
Like, Oh, Drew Carey might be there.
I might be there too then.
I'd like to meet Drew Carey.
kurt metzger
And plus, you know all the famous gift baskets at award shows?
Sure!
Celebs love getting hooked up.
That's a thing.
Of any of the things that's a good side effect of if you're in any kind of show business, when you get hooked up, you're like, oh, I could go backstage at a thing.
joe rogan
Get free Ray-Bans.
kurt metzger
Yeah, so at all levels, they love that.
At all levels.
joe rogan
Yeah.
There used to be a place you'd go for these award shows, and there was these tents.
That's the first time I met Ice Cube.
I was like, what's up, Ice Cube?
We were both in this fucking stupid tent.
And they were giving away all kinds of shit, man.
They were giving away fucking trips to places, free trips.
They give you free trips.
They give you jewelry.
unidentified
Yeah.
kurt metzger
This is for what?
joe rogan
For whatever.
Some stupid award show.
I don't even remember which one it was.
kurt metzger
I remember the Emmys.
I got a free basket, but I wasn't getting the whatever primo Emmy thing, but I got that t-shirt of Bruce Lee as a DJ. Yes, yes.
It's like a $600 t-shirt.
joe rogan
Is it really?
kurt metzger
Absolutely.
It was something like that.
I remember seeing it in Iron Man.
Tony Stark is wearing it.
It was all that kind of stuff.
joe rogan
Oh, inside.
kurt metzger
They would custom make you a pair of shoes.
I never bothered to go take my handmade shoe coupon.
joe rogan
Yeah, they always did that stuff.
It might have been the Emmys, but I went to a few of those things.
I had to go to one of those when Phil Hartman was nominated for an Emmy.
kurt metzger
Oh, really?
joe rogan
And this was after he was murdered.
So the whole cast of NewsRadio is sitting in the audience, just hoping that Phil's going to win.
And Phil didn't win.
The dude from Frasier won.
And Dave Foley turns to me and goes, what the fuck does a guy have to do to win?
unidentified
LAUGHTER Wow.
joe rogan
Dude, Dave only in the moment, one of the fucking sharpest guys ever.
kurt metzger
I think he's funny, I do, man.
joe rogan
And the way he said it, the way he looked at me, it was like perfect timing.
kurt metzger
You know, that kid's in the whole movie with the drug company, there's a lot of like weirdly ahead of it.
Oh, yeah.
In fact, they got a lot of weird ahead of their time stuff.
joe rogan
Yeah, and like The Simpsons in a way.
Yeah, they had a whole thing, like they predicted the woke takeover in like 1993. Oh yeah, we just played that art class one.
Yeah, it's fucking crazy!
kurt metzger
You know, I just realized the ultimate gift basket for celebs is the one FTX did, which is a shit ton of money.
joe rogan
Yeah, that's the best.
kurt metzger
That's better than a designer t-shirt.
joe rogan
If that guy didn't go to war with that other guy, that's what happened, right?
That dude dumped all of his coins.
He sold all of his coins and they really couldn't cover it.
That was his rival.
kurt metzger
Yeah, he had a whole back door installed in that, so his kind of house, one girlfriend or whatever she is, ran Alameda Research.
joe rogan
Right.
kurt metzger
And then they had some back door.
joe rogan
They funneled off like $10 billion into that.
The whole thing is so wild.
They were just on speed, playing with fake money.
kurt metzger
It's so funny to watch the videos where it's obvious, and all you need is people to be on board.
joe rogan
Yeah.
kurt metzger
If all the right people are on board, that's all it takes.
joe rogan
It's like the Epstein Island thing.
kurt metzger
Yeah, everyone, it's like, everything's to train you to get to be, like, you don't really get to pick if you say whatever your politics, right?
joe rogan
Right.
kurt metzger
Whatever you would call yourself, you don't get to decide that.
Like, we'll let you know what you are.
joe rogan
Right.
kurt metzger
You could decide maybe a gender.
You go ahead and pick out a gender, honey.
But you're not getting to pick...
Everything else about your identity will be assigned to you from now on.
joe rogan
You can only...
Even that can only be assigned if it's convenient.
You see what happened with the non-binary shooter?
kurt metzger
Oh, yeah.
joe rogan
And then the transgender person on television says, I could tell by looking at them that that's a man.
kurt metzger
Well, what do they do in that situation?
We played it on Jimmy's show.
joe rogan
That is such a crazy thing to say.
That is against everything you supposedly stand for.
kurt metzger
Did you see initially?
So it's Al Franken, some other white guy, the reporter, the woman, and then I can't remember the black guy's name, but she's like first hearing the non-binary thing.
So now they're in a bad spot because you're supposed to immediately go along with that.
joe rogan
Right.
And they're resistant.
kurt metzger
And this is like really screwing up their narrative of whatever they were going to say this person was, right?
And so they had to turn the black guy, because they're like, I hope...
Because we're white, like we can't say anything.
Like, I hope this is enough of a shield for us to say we don't want to accept that this shooter is non-binary.
And then they had to get...
A trans woman would come and go, he doesn't look non-binary to me.
joe rogan
It's just so crazy to say.
kurt metzger
The whole rule is set up that way.
In fact, I first heard about from that guy Adam Curry on here, ESG, a long time ago.
unidentified
Yes.
kurt metzger
And I was like, oh, is that what that is?
Because I was wondering, we're all this bizarre...
It sounds like it's a tax write-off.
They must be making money in some way or getting a grant to do this.
Yeah, that's what it is.
joe rogan
It's exactly what it is.
Yeah.
It's wild.
kurt metzger
That's what FTX did.
joe rogan
They're profiting off of a mind virus.
kurt metzger
You could juke the numbers however you want if you pay into it.
I like your personal carbon footprint.
joe rogan
And it sounds good.
You're trying to make the world a better place, a more equitable place, a beautiful place, a more just place, a more diverse place.
kurt metzger
He said that openly and also that it was bullshit openly to someone he thought was giving him a favorable article.
Because they're all really, really kid gloves with this FDX kid.
He must have paid out...
joe rogan
It is weird how they're kid gloves with him, right?
Like some places not at all, and other places like trying to paint him as a person who just made mistakes.
kurt metzger
The whole point of giving somebody a shit ton of money is not so you have to give them orders of what to...
They just have an insight.
He's one of the good ones.
I know we hate billionaires here, but this guy gave us like...
joe rogan
Millions?
kurt metzger
Yeah.
joe rogan
He duked out millions.
Doesn't Bill Gates do that too?
Doesn't he donate like millions and millions of dollars to these media organizations?
kurt metzger
Because he used to be a hated guy.
joe rogan
Well, he still is by some.
kurt metzger
But I mean, in the media, I remember that when he was like a bad guy, you know, when they had the antitrust.
joe rogan
Right.
kurt metzger
And now they can't say enough.
And then you find all these things, like Common, I don't have kids, so I remember Common Core came out and I would just hear everybody complaining about Common Core.
That's his, the Bill and Melinda Gates Foundation money made that a national thing.
I didn't know about that at the time.
unidentified
Like, a ton of, yeah.
jamie vernon
He's listed at speaking at a New York Times event in two days.
kurt metzger
Oh, and he'll be there, he says.
joe rogan
Which is crazy.
Do they arrest him on the spot?
kurt metzger
I don't think so.
jamie vernon
That's wild.
joe rogan
What happens there?
jamie vernon
I don't know.
kurt metzger
Wait, oh, go down a little bit.
Yeah, Larry Fink.
So that's the guy.
I think he's the guy that invented ESG, right?
That's his thing, isn't it?
joe rogan
CEO of BlackRock.
So there's all these business folks.
Benjamin Netanyahu.
jamie vernon
There's people in the Bahamas looking for him right now from the crypto community.
They're hunting him down.
kurt metzger
It's a real Epstein Island of notable people coming...
joe rogan
Oh, you gotta imagine.
There's probably some bad people that lost millions.
jamie vernon
Billions?
unidentified
Yeah.
jamie vernon
I don't know how much people really had involved.
joe rogan
I mean, a lot of people did, but I mean, some of them are bad people.
You know what I'm saying?
jamie vernon
Oh, yeah, yeah.
joe rogan
Can you imagine?
kurt metzger
All these people, though, like Van Jones especially, you know that guy knows the deal because they got him on camera.
What's his name?
Filmed them.
They're like, you know, this is all bullshit.
Talking about Russiagate.
Do you remember that?
unidentified
Yes.
kurt metzger
I'm forgetting the guy's name, but Veritas.
joe rogan
Veritas.
kurt metzger
Yeah.
joe rogan
James O'Keefe.
kurt metzger
So that's him.
I mean, it's not cut in any way.
Vane Jones is saying it.
I know a bunch of people from, especially being in New York, and all the comics would do cable news stuff, you know, like Red Eye.
And you meet these people, and they're all like...
They all know the game and assume you do, too.
And then if I meet people that think it's all, like, they just can't imagine something nefarious was...
Oh, yeah, of course.
joe rogan
Zelensky's there.
He's not busy.
kurt metzger
Boy, that guy really...
joe rogan
He's getting around.
But you've got to remember, the guy was a comic.
kurt metzger
Did you see Sean Penn?
I know.
Did you see Sean Penn give him his...
joe rogan
Gave him his Oscar.
I want to know for which movie.
Didn't Sean win a bunch of Oscars?
kurt metzger
He should.
joe rogan
If he hasn't, he should.
kurt metzger
But who is that for?
It's not the people in Ukraine who are like, oh, that's for you at home to go, oh!
joe rogan
Well, Sean Penn's expressing his support.
kurt metzger
I love that he's just like the greatest tool.
joe rogan
You know what I think?
kurt metzger
He's got Chapo caught with his dumb...
unidentified
He's got balls.
joe rogan
He's got balls.
The fact that he went down to meet Chapo...
That is wild.
kurt metzger
Did you see the thing?
joe rogan
That guy's got fucking balls.
Can you imagine being him?
Imagine being Sean Penn.
kurt metzger
Right.
joe rogan
You go to Mexico to meet El Chapo.
kurt metzger
Yeah, right.
joe rogan
How many people has El Chapo killed?
You know?
jamie vernon
Loaned it.
kurt metzger
But do you know the story of that?
joe rogan
Oh, you loaned it to him.
jamie vernon
Loaned it.
joe rogan
Yeah, if you lose the war, I want it back.
kurt metzger
Bring it back to me when you come...
I guess when you come to...
joe rogan
When you win, bring it back to Malibu.
kurt metzger
When you host the Academy Awards next year, please bring it back.
joe rogan
That is such a great statement.
When you win, bring it back to Malibu.
Like, what better place for a fucking completely disconnected celebrity to request a guy in the middle of a war to come to?
unidentified
To come to...
kurt metzger
It's amazing.
joe rogan
That's like a Coen Brothers movie line.
kurt metzger
Dude, how are they this on...
Like, without even knowing anything about the situation, if you just live through the last ridiculous disasters that we should not have done, how would you be all in on this?
We just assume everything you're hearing is a lie after the last, I don't know, 20 years?
joe rogan
Some people don't, and some people don't know what to think.
I'm in the don't know what to think category.
I don't think there's a good or a bad going on here.
It's obviously bad that Russia invaded Ukraine.
It's definitely not good that there's a war going on.
And I don't understand why this can't be negotiated.
Can it be negotiated?
kurt metzger
That's a good question.
Why can't it be?
Well, I don't know.
Watch Jimmy.
I don't want to bring the heat down on you.
Dave Smith has talked about all this stuff already.
joe rogan
Dave Smith talked about it in great detail.
Dave gave one of the best breakdowns of how this all happened in the first place.
And he actually showed this video of this guy who wrote a book about this in 2014 on the Colbert Show, the old Colbert Show.
kurt metzger
Yeah.
joe rogan
Where he's explaining the strategy and about how Ukraine is Robin and Batman is Russia.
kurt metzger
Yeah, right.
joe rogan
And we want to steal Robin away from Batman.
Openly!
Openly.
Talking about it on television as a joke about a book he wrote.
He's joking about stealing Ukraine and making Ukraine join the EU. That's the thing.
kurt metzger
These aren't conspiracy things.
These are just, if you just have any memory of stuff that used to be on, they would talk about this openly.
joe rogan
It's all so crazy.
kurt metzger
And now, it's just, what do you do?
Like, it's the same thing every goddamn war.
And I don't know how you...
What is now?
I'm old, so I probably aged out of the demographic that it matters if I believe in it or not, you know?
So...
joe rogan
Well, I think less people buy the official narrative more than ever, but people get caught in camps, right?
And if you're camp left-wing, you're camp pro-Ukraine, you're pro-the-war, negative, I don't want to hear any negative things, the Azovs are, what do they call them now?
kurt metzger
The celebrated Avzovs.
joe rogan
Celebrated Avzovs.
kurt metzger
Yeah.
joe rogan
You don't want to hear anything negative.
It's imperative that Ukraine win.
And there's like these narratives.
kurt metzger
Now, do you know actual people?
Because the people I know who would maybe say that, that aren't bots, or they're either like real plugged in and it's a real social...
It's a real social credit in some circles, I guess, is how I take it.
But I know they just now learned it wasn't called the Ukraine probably around February.
That's clear.
joe rogan
Did you see all the bots that attacked Elon with the exact same sentence?
kurt metzger
Yeah.
joe rogan
The exact same sentence about one guy shouldn't have all that power.
It's the exact same sentence over and over and over again with all these different fake accounts.
And someone posted like a screenshot of it of the same phrase being used by all these people.
Not reposting.
It's not reposting.
They're just cut and pasting into all these different fake accounts that are pretending to be people.
Which is what Elon said when he bought Twitter.
Like, when he was buying Twitter.
kurt metzger
I wonder about that, like, what he learned in the course of...
Because that was a real rollercoaster ride, right?
Then everybody forgot about it for a minute.
joe rogan
He learned some shit.
kurt metzger
I bet!
joe rogan
Yeah, he learned some shit.
And I think that's probably why everybody got fired.
I mean, I think he probably felt like a lot of people weren't necessary, or he wanted to put all new people in.
But I also...
From what things that he said publicly like there's some shit going down like What those people were supposed to do and what they were actually doing and the way they were censoring people and it was real well you watch his stupid like I'm sure anyone there that got cleared out, I have no, oh, I'll bet they were really valuable.
kurt metzger
I don't even, I don't even think of, I see them reporting, I'm like, these are the people that made it great.
Like, are they?
I bet they weren't.
joe rogan
Well, you've seen the Project Veritas videos on that.
unidentified
Yeah.
joe rogan
They talk to people about openly, like, stopping people's tweets from getting out, shadow banning them.
kurt metzger
Yeah, it's all not conspiracy.
First of all, the idea of a shadow ban, just to begin with, How is that okay?
There's some guy, I think that's an upper echelon video too, the guy that came up with it was some creep like, so he's like creepy like tech people.
They're all like, you know, like a Reddit moderator level kind of person, which is, you know, I don't know if you know how brutal that is, but he came up with that like as a little like, wouldn't it be a great way like to just ban and they don't even know why they're banned and it just took off through the whole industry.
joe rogan
That's wild.
It's wild that that's a real thing.
kurt metzger
How's that allowed?
joe rogan
It is allowed, though.
Somehow or another it's allowed, and you and I are probably both on it.
kurt metzger
Yeah, I'm sure.
Let me hit this weed again.
joe rogan
Yeah, Jesus Christ.
kurt metzger
Yeah, well, I'm sure all these people are gonna...
joe rogan
Well, all these people are freaking out because Elon is opening the gates to everybody to come back.
kurt metzger
They're all mad about the wrong things.
joe rogan
He's like, if you haven't committed a crime, you should come back.
kurt metzger
I don't think he's right about the Alex Jones thing.
joe rogan
Well, I think he believes that Alex Jones lied on purpose to profit.
kurt metzger
Well, here's the weird part.
Alex Jones didn't get kicked off of Twitter for saying anything about Parkland.
joe rogan
No, he didn't.
kurt metzger
He got kicked off for making fun of, like, Oliver Darcy and saying something like, he's like, I forget, it's something like an animal coming out of another animal's ass.
joe rogan
Something along those lines.
kurt metzger
I forget what he said.
joe rogan
But the point is, I think Elon's point was that he said that his son died, his first child.
I believe it was his son.
His first child died in his arms.
That's what he said.
And that anybody who would profit off of a child's death or...
unidentified
Doesn't he work with the Pentagon?
Oh, really?
kurt metzger
Anyone who would profit.
joe rogan
Meanwhile, the Taliban's on Twitter.
But the point is, knowing Alex, that is not what happened.
Alex had a genuine psychotic break.
He was losing his fucking mind.
He was drinking heavily, and I think he really truly believed a lot of things that weren't true.
Because he was finding out so many things that were true, he was going crazy.
And also drinking a lot.
kurt metzger
Oh yeah, that always helps.
joe rogan
He really did have like a moment where he said, I just was losing my fucking mind.
That doesn't excuse it, right?
It's just the fact.
That's what was going on.
kurt metzger
I feel like...
joe rogan
The guy's right about a lot of shit, man.
kurt metzger
If you look at his hit rate, this is the thing that's eerie.
People would say he's a fucking agent.
I heard that all the time.
You think of the amount of things that were right, but he said them, and the frogs are turning gay.
That famous clip, right?
joe rogan
Yeah.
kurt metzger
It's based on a real story about pollution that's actually affecting wildlife.
It's actually an important story.
So he's referring to something that's a real thing.
joe rogan
Yeah, it's doing something fucked up to their hormones, and I think it makes them intersex or something along those lines.
kurt metzger
Yeah, it's important.
But why are you saying it like that?
Because then it makes it easy to dismiss.
joe rogan
Because he's funny.
That's the thing about Alex.
Half of what he does is the entertainment value, but then it's all interwoven in with real shit.
He'll say shit, and you're like, what?
What are you talking about?
unidentified
They've got to stop giving the polio vaccine to kids in Africa because they were giving them actual polio.
joe rogan
And you hear that and you go, that's not true.
That can't be true.
And then we went to a fucking AP article where they showed that that polio vaccine...
kurt metzger
When it first came out in America, that's the birth of...
I never heard of this.
Here's how I found out about it.
I was looking up for something else for a joke for the show and I was looking up polio because I got that when I was five in the 80s, right?
Well, that's when it was perfected.
It was perfectly good when I got it, apparently.
And it's not because the vaccine itself was bad.
It's because the drug company that first manufactured it accidentally put live polio into it.
So it was the actual pharmaceutical company that fucked it up.
And then some people got polio from it, and that was the birth of being hesitant about vaccines.
People weren't just like, oh, it's black magic.
Something happened.
And here's the creepiest part of this article that I read.
This wasn't someone arguing against the COVID vaccine.
This was when Trump was in office still doing Project Warp Speed to make sure the vaccine was going to get made.
And they were all talking how it's bad because Trump's doing it.
So this guy writing this like, hey, slow down, Trump.
You should know why some people might be hesitant.
If that was...
I'm sure that same guy would be exactly the opposite on command.
joe rogan
That's the thing that's creepy.
That is kind of creepy.
That it's not fact-based, it's what does the ideology support?
What does the cult want?
The cult wants this.
Vaccines are good.
And isn't there a strain of polio that's specifically from that?
Like there's a vaccinated strain of polio that some people are catching?
What now?
Yes, now.
kurt metzger
Is that the thing about New York?
There was something with the water supply they thought was causing polio?
joe rogan
I think, no, I think they detected the levels of polio in the waste supply, which would indicate that polio is in the area.
That's a weird thing.
Let's find out one at a time, because I want to make sure that the vaccine case of polio is true, because I think I heard Jimmy say it.
I think it was something that Jimmy talked about.
kurt metzger
I remember that article talking about them saying it, but I don't remember what the update of it was.
joe rogan
I think that's what the assertion was.
Here it is.
Detection of circulating vaccine-derived poliovirus 2. Vaccine-derived poliovirus is a well-documented type of poliovirus that is mutated from the strain originally contained in the oral polio vaccine.
The oral polio vaccine contains a live, weakened form of poliovirus.
kurt metzger
I think they're oral as a kid.
joe rogan
So there's a poliovirus 2. Oh, weird.
That is vaccine-derived.
That's crazy.
And that's what they were talking about.
kurt metzger
I got a shot when I was a kid.
joe rogan
Yeah, it's different.
No, the oral one was the one that the AP was talking about with kids.
They were giving it to kids in Africa, and they were winding up getting polio.
From the polio vaccine.
That's what Alex talked about.
And that's what I was like, there's no fucking way that's true.
Pull that up.
And he pulls it up.
And it's not a wacky website.
It's AP News.
kurt metzger
The scary thing is when you read that stupid thing of, what if somebody...
By the way, I got vaccinated.
But people are saying things like, what if someone you love needed a bed?
And then they couldn't get one in the hospital because an unvaccinated person was taking up the bed.
I heard this repeated a lot.
But this is the thing I didn't think of at the time.
It's already stupid on the face of it, because when they come out and, I'm sorry, there's an unvaccinated person, your loved one has to die.
Like, Why are there not enough beds?
If you know a pandemic is coming, wouldn't you think there'd be enough beds?
They purposely run because it's all private equity that owns the hospitals.
They run it that way on purpose with not enough beds because it's not cost effective to have enough beds.
And if you look it up, I read there's an article that was bragging about how great this is.
It was like an industry thing.
It was that way to provide more efficient care and you can focus on preventable beds.
It wasn't a thing exposing it.
It was a thing explaining why it's great that there's not gonna be enough beds from now on.
That's the creepy shit.
joe rogan
So do they, well, they don't plan for a pandemic, right?
It's not like the hospital should have all these beds running 24-7 to plan for.
But once the pandemic hits, like, how much resources would be involved in making sure there's enough beds?
kurt metzger
Oh, in a lot of places, there were enough beds.
That wasn't even a thing that there weren't enough beds.
joe rogan
Well, that was the thing, too.
It's like there was a lot of propaganda about people that were clogging up.
Remember this story?
kurt metzger
Yeah, that's a fake story.
joe rogan
They clogged up the emergency room in Oklahoma because they were having ivermectin overdoses, and there was no room for the gunshot wounds.
kurt metzger
Right, and there hadn't been a gunshot wound in that town.
joe rogan
It was all hardship.
kurt metzger
The sheriff had to call.
Yeah, and Rolling Stone ran it.
joe rogan
Yeah.
kurt metzger
By the way, that was great with Yan Winter.
That clip is unbelievable.
joe rogan
That clip was so strange.
kurt metzger
It really shows you, like...
Because I always wonder, like, what in the hell this, like, credulous...
Like, we watched Jon Stewart talking to Hillary and Condoleezza.
Did you see that?
joe rogan
I tried not to.
kurt metzger
Oh, it's brutal, dude.
And you can even see on his face.
And it's like you could see Luke Skywalker, like, I know there is good in you.
He's trying to talk to him like that.
unidentified
Wow.
kurt metzger
And no, there isn't, dude.
And the two of them are horrible.
And the things are saying, like, I don't even know how you get through the video watching.
We didn't.
We had to stop it every minute.
joe rogan
I haven't seen it.
kurt metzger
Oh, the arrogant...
It's just unbelievable.
It's a foregone conclusion that it's great for us to keep going everywhere and regime change, whatever the hell we do, that...
Like an alcoholic, like, this time is going to be better.
joe rogan
Is that what they're saying?
kurt metzger
I've had people say it to me point blank of, like, well, Iraq wasn't...
You know, they couldn't really have democracy, like, culturally, but, like, Ukraine's got a shot at it because they're more...
You know, stuff that's like, maybe not, I don't know if outright racist, but chauvinistic, let's say.
You know?
joe rogan
Right.
kurt metzger
But just the idea, this time, it's going to work.
That's amazing.
joe rogan
Also, like, what does that make Ukraine?
If Ukraine wins in the Ukraine, do they join the UN? Do they never join the UN? Are they a part of NATO? They're not in the UN. Or NATO, they're not in.
NATO, rather.
Excuse me, NATO. Right.
I've had a little marijuana, folks.
kurt metzger
Yeah.
joe rogan
If they do join, I mean, isn't that like the big...
That was the big sticking point.
kurt metzger
Yeah, if you watch it, we play all the clips of it.
unidentified
I mean...
joe rogan
That was what Dave Smith has said.
That was the big sticking point, was that they're moving their weapons closer and closer towards the Russian border.
kurt metzger
Yeah, right.
joe rogan
And that if they could get them to join NATO... There's a whole bunch of people that think that, yeah, NATO should expand as much as possible, and it should go everywhere.
kurt metzger
Like, you could hear Condoleezza and Hillary.
I mean, imagine the two of them.
That's what I'm watching Jon Stewart sit through.
joe rogan
What do you think was going through his head?
kurt metzger
I think he's like that, remember they had that rally to restore sanity?
And it was like a real middle, it's really like the Obama years were great for me festival is really what you call it.
And a bunch of people I know in their minds like it was great when Obama got in.
And I liked Obama a lot.
I was all for Obama at the time.
I had no idea of any of the actual things he was doing.
Or, like, the drone wars.
And now you realize the left and right is, like, if you're left, America left, you're for, like, advanced robot killing.
joe rogan
Of mostly innocent people.
kurt metzger
Of mostly.
joe rogan
Like, grossly.
kurt metzger
Yeah, like 90%.
That ain't a good...
Can you say collateral damage at that point?
It's collateral survivors at that point.
joe rogan
Yeah, the amount of actual people that they target that get killed, somewhere in the neighborhood of 10%, right?
kurt metzger
So they made it like a...
joe rogan
90%.
kurt metzger
A combatant.
Somebody who could be a combatant, at one point they made it anybody over the age of 15, some creepy thing like that, right?
That was during Obama.
So then you could just legally do this stuff.
Trump made it so they don't even have to report.
Right?
I have to report the numbers.
So those are your choices.
That's your two joys.
It's like a left twix and right twix.
joe rogan
Can you imagine you're on your way to a fucking wedding?
And you hear missiles that get launched from robots.
Because you've got so many cars headed to the mountains, they assume.
kurt metzger
I have wanted to get out of going to a wedding really bad.
So I'm not the right, but I see what you're saying.
joe rogan
Those are the horror stories you always hear, like a wedding party.
kurt metzger
Yeah, then they got a...
It's just unbelievable.
joe rogan
It's the same sort of cop logic that allow you to steal $10,000 from some kid about to buy a Camaro.
kurt metzger
That's a good...
Cop logic's a good...
unidentified
Yeah.
kurt metzger
That's what they sounded like.
joe rogan
Good guys, bad guys.
kurt metzger
They had cop logic.
joe rogan
Well, that was what Julian Assange exposed in that video that was so damning.
kurt metzger
Yeah, right.
joe rogan
There was that moment where that guy in that...
It was a helicopter, right?
kurt metzger
Yeah.
joe rogan
He launched those missiles at the photographers.
kurt metzger
Yeah, right.
joe rogan
And then there was kids that were in a van, and he was like, well, they shouldn't have their kids with them.
Which is...
kurt metzger
Remember the guy that they got by drone that looked like Adrian Brody, kind of a la Lockie?
unidentified
Yes.
kurt metzger
And his son had gone to find his dad, you know, and so was with him and died too.
And I remember...
People now who would be like Warhawks saying, he's an American citizen, they just executed.
Now, when they got him at the time, I remember thinking, hey, citizenship revoked, motherfucker.
That's how I felt.
joe rogan
Right.
kurt metzger
It didn't even occur to me that if you just, they're going to do that there, what do you think they'll do to you at home?
Not give you the same treatment when it comes down to it?
Whatever they do over there, they're going to do to you when it's convenient.
Like any kind of fucking gangster.
That's how it is.
So...
But I had no concept of that.
I remember on 9-11, I was there, and I remember everybody was on board with, yeah, that makes sense.
Go to Iraq.
You just gotta show them all.
joe rogan
Yeah, the idea was, we can't ever have this happen again.
Shock and awe.
kurt metzger
I think it's really great how Islamic fundamentalist terrorists have kind of just stopped wanting to attack us.
I guess they see we have so many other things on our plate.
It was the biggest, most important thing, and you never hear about it now.
joe rogan
Do you remember when we had the scale?
Like, it's orange today for possible terrorist attacks.
Remember they tried that for a little while?
A lot of people don't remember.
Do you remember it, Jamie?
It was on TV. They would go, today's yellow.
Relax, go outside, go to the park, where the government is paying attention.
kurt metzger
I mean, at the time, that came across to me like a- National Terrorism Advisory System.
You know, taking your shoes off at the airport, that's a good...
joe rogan
It was one fucking guy.
DHS replaced the color-coded alerts of Homeland Security Advisory Systems with the National Terrorism Advisory System in 2011. So they ran that shit for a few years.
And they gave it up.
kurt metzger
And the way it works is you get funding for these stupid things.
So they could be idiotic and they'll just go, we could take our shoes off at the airport forever.
And that's how I think about every single thing.
It was one guy, right?
joe rogan
One guy tried to blow his shoe up.
kurt metzger
Then they could have just looked at his shoes.
His shoes had visible fuses coming out of them.
joe rogan
He was trying to light it while he was sitting next to people.
kurt metzger
Hey, just take a peek at their shoes, maybe.
joe rogan
People stopped him from doing it.
Like he's a shitty lighter.
kurt metzger
So dumb.
Oh, yeah.
Oh, the Ron Jeremy one.
joe rogan
He's got the shoe right there.
kurt metzger
Did you ever talk to that guy, John Kierakal, that caught him?
joe rogan
No.
kurt metzger
He's an interesting dude to talk to, the CIA guy.
He's the one that revealed the torture program.
joe rogan
Richard Reed was the guy, right?
So all under his shoe was explosives.
Wow, that's crazy.
Can you imagine being on a fucking plane and you see a guy lighting his shoe?
And you're like, oh my god.
kurt metzger
I know.
He already, especially if you're like, okay, I don't want to be phobic and just assume this guy who has a real terrorist look in his eyes.
joe rogan
Are you sure?
He has a look in his eyes like he doesn't know what the fuck he's doing.
Look at his eyes.
kurt metzger
He expected to be...
joe rogan
How many of those guys did they talk...
Remember that guy that they talked into doing that fake bomb?
The FBI courted him.
They convinced him that he should blow up this fake bomb, and they gave him a cell phone to blow up the fake bomb, and then when he tried to activate the fake bomb, they arrested him?
kurt metzger
Wait, what kind of...
joe rogan
Is this an Islamic terrorist?
He was 19 years old.
kurt metzger
You know, they do that.
I remember at the time looking up what's the most common.
Because at the time it was an argument about Islamic terrorism, how dangerous, right?
That was the big argument.
So I wonder what is the most terrorism.
I looked it up and it was like 2011. Eco-terrorism was the number one.
I was like, eco-terrorism?
I guess because it's mostly against property, but...
There's a guy who...
I guess how entrapment works is not how I would have thought entrapment works.
You could have a kind of shitty person go in undercover and make up a plan with some guy who's weak or stupid and wouldn't have done it otherwise.
There's like 300 or something cases of that with Islamic terrorists.
But before that, there's a famous one with some kid who's like a virgin and they got a girl to fuck him and draw up a plan and he just gave him money against some loser.
And then you catch him and there's funding.
Meanwhile, the Boston Marathon bomber slipped through.
In fact, a bunch of shootings?
Here's a weird commonality.
A lot of people noticed something wrong and called both their local police and the FBI. And they didn't somehow catch it.
joe rogan
Well, wasn't the Boston bomber an FBI informant?
kurt metzger
I never even heard that, but...
joe rogan
Was that true?
Was the Boston bomber an informant?
Is that speculation?
kurt metzger
Well, the last thing I saw, because remember Brass Eye?
It was like a British fake news thing.
It was really funny.
This guy named Chris Morris.
He made a movie about, and I remember this case in Florida.
It was like a black Islamic group that had this preposterous plan to ride horses into Chicago.
Something crazy, but they were set up.
And I remember on the news, remember they rounded up the homegrown terrorists?
And they left behind this one guy that he was really slow.
He was the only one left.
You could tell he was the runt of the litter of this thing.
And you could tell he was slow.
I think Bill Maher made a joke about how it wasn't the A-team of terrorists.
It was like that.
So when I saw this Chris Morris interview later, I'm like, oh, I remember those.
There's all these where they caught people and I didn't really know the details of it.
joe rogan
But the guy was really dumb.
And they probably just talked him into it.
Well, how about the Gretchen Whitmire thing?
There was 14 people that were trying to kidnap her.
12 of them were FBI informants.
kurt metzger
That's some kind of...
It's like the waste of...
joe rogan
I mean, but that's hilarious.
kurt metzger
It sounds like some kind of thing to sell more cleaners to me.
Everything sounds like that to me.
unidentified
Right.
joe rogan
It sounds like it can't be real.
kurt metzger
It's something that you have to prove you did something that was in your nature, I think, is the wording, which is very strange.
But I found that out on...
joe rogan
So they can talk you into doing it because it was in your nature to do it.
kurt metzger
How the hell do you have that as law?
joe rogan
Unanswered question about Tamerlan Tsarnaev.
kurt metzger
Yeah.
joe rogan
So what are the questions?
jamie vernon
Well, it was an informant.
kurt metzger
It was an informant.
jamie vernon
I didn't get a good answer.
joe rogan
Was he a federal informant?
How does a federal informant program work?
How do federal agents recruit Muslims and other immigrants to become informants?
And did Tamarlan Sarnarev...
How do you say that?
Help me out.
Sarnarev?
Sarnarev received special treatment through this program for his application to become a U.S. citizen.
In 2014, as his dad, Daz Klar Sarnarev, prepared for his defense, his lawyers...
Filed a motion seeking all documents related to FBI contact with Samerlin.
Why?
Oh, that's the other dude.
They believe that Tamerlin had been a federal informant.
They wrote, we based this information from our client's family and other sources that the FBI made more than one visit to talk to Tamerlin and asked him to be an informant reporting on the Chechen and Muslim community.
kurt metzger
Oh.
joe rogan
We base this information from our clients.
That's it.
That's the highlighted thing.
jamie vernon
So I tried to read down it to find out any confirmation.
It's really long.
There are some ties.
He's listed in this visual here.
kurt metzger
So because they even approached him, that set him off because he was already going in that vein?
Is that what I'm...
joe rogan
As a boxer, they focused on him in this?
This is from 2010. And what is it about?
jamie vernon
This was used to sell people.
This is an excerpt from Boston University Graduate Student Publication.
joe rogan
The comment which featured him in 2010. Scroll back up again.
jamie vernon
This is just a long article.
joe rogan
Yeah, I know.
Here it is.
He desperately wanted citizenship in 2010. He was featured in a magazine.
You help us, we'll help you.
McPhee tells Radio Boston.
jamie vernon
He went over to Dagestan, I think, where he was trying to, according to some officials, get involved with some fighters, which, according to this, then they didn't let him in because of his ties to conspicuous Western culture, it says right here.
I was trying to read this.
This is a very long article.
I couldn't find it out.
I don't even know if this has an accent.
kurt metzger
So that's like a perfect guy to approach to be like, hey, you want to find stuff?
Yeah.
If he's already paranoid.
joe rogan
Especially if he's a boxer and he wants to be a U.S. citizen.
kurt metzger
Yeah.
joe rogan
And they can get him to...
jamie vernon
Similarly, I found this article in the New York Times, which goes into someone very similar.
They tried to find a nuclear specialist and get him to do a bomb.
And this long article goes into, I guess, he did.
kurt metzger
Dude, there's a bunch of these...
joe rogan
Hold on, say that again?
In what?
jamie vernon
He did not go through with this.
I think he saw through whoever was trying to get at him.
joe rogan
Same kind of deal, but he...
Okay.
Yeah, they do that all the time, I think.
kurt metzger
It's not even breaking the law.
The law is like you could do a crazy amount of entrapment.
So, and I wasn't aware of that, you know?
joe rogan
That is nuts.
It's nuts that that's funded by tax dollars to trick people.
kurt metzger
Did you ever see the thing?
jamie vernon
It's 30 years, despite his concerns of entrapment, this says.
kurt metzger
Yeah.
jamie vernon
So, he wasn't let...
kurt metzger
Fuck your concerns.
jamie vernon
He got fucked.
joe rogan
So, they still put him away.
jamie vernon
Yeah.
kurt metzger
Yeah.
joe rogan
Why did they put him away?
Because he was thinking about it?
Because he was talking to them about it?
Can you imagine if you're hanging around with dudes who are talking about blowing up a nuke in Manhattan, and you're in the same cell as them, same terror cell, and you're like, uh, yeah, man, sounds like a good idea, sounds like a plan.
kurt metzger
That's one thing.
joe rogan
And they're recording this, but they turn out to be the FBI, but you are just, you're never planning on doing it.
You just think you're freaked out by the fact that these guys want to blow up a fucking nuke.
What do you say?
kurt metzger
If this is your group of people- Yeah, that's what people did when I was doing Sasha's thing.
Because you're like, why do people...
Because people will sense something weird.
joe rogan
Sasha Baron Cohen.
kurt metzger
Yeah.
And they'll sense something weird and go along with it.
Especially real reality show kind of people.
They're just like, camera, oh, I just do the thing and don't think about the thing and do it.
joe rogan
Right.
kurt metzger
Or it made the news, but the guy was freaked out and he did try to...
Remember there was some news that some guy brought up a pedophile ring or something?
There's some guy that thought...
It turned out to not be that at all.
It was like a guy...
But people would be scared when they hear you bring up some kind of illegal thing, and they might act like it's okay and then go report it.
You know, hopefully that's what...
joe rogan
What are you talking about?
Pedophile thing?
unidentified
What?
kurt metzger
I don't remember the exact thing, but one of the guys they did a prank on...
And first it went around like a rumor that...
joe rogan
Oh, yes.
kurt metzger
Do you know what I'm talking about?
joe rogan
That's right.
kurt metzger
And I called my friend and he was like, it turned out the guy, he was afraid because he just heard this and went along with the thing.
So it was nothing, but people will go along with something if you skip.
Especially with five guys.
joe rogan
Right.
Also, some people, they're like, you could get them to talk about almost anything.
There's some people that like, you know what I mean?
There's a certain level of unsophisticated person.
If you're around them and you start talking about ghosts, they're like, oh yeah, yeah.
They just go with it, right?
kurt metzger
I thought you were talking about Sam Harris on Trigonometry.
I'm like, holy crap, are you saying this for real?
joe rogan
I wish he hadn't used those words.
kurt metzger
Well, I love that he did because it's such an obvious thing, but a bunch of people not as bright as him would know not to say that.
joe rogan
He feels very strongly anti-Trump in a way that, what do they call it?
Trump derangement syndrome?
kurt metzger
Every time I think that's just some kind of phrase, I'll see a new example where I'm like, this is amazing.
He literally goes, yeah, no, it's a conspiracy.
That's good.
We have to do it.
Like you're the Dark Knight with the Joker and you got a spy on everybody's phone that one time.
joe rogan
See, the thing is, it's the one good thing about someone like Trump even being able to become president.
Which is so crazy.
It just shows you how bananas this system really is.
kurt metzger
But that's the problem with him is that mainly.
Because, you know, people that think he's going to help, I want it to work out for you, but guess what?
unidentified
There ain't no help coming.
joe rogan
I don't think there's help coming either.
kurt metzger
I gave it to Candace Owens that interview with Trump where she brought up Eric Snowden and Julian Assange.
And Trump said, he was like, well, I should have.
I've never even heard of Trump saying I should have done something different.
Like, that's amazing to get that out of him.
joe rogan
That's one of those ones where if he did, who the fuck knows what would have happened.
I mean, that's like a fucking take a ride in a convertible through Dallas moment.
kurt metzger
All these things I would have dismissed, especially stuff like JFK, Oliver Stone.
Yeah.
JFK's a movie, right?
That kind of thing.
There's probably an explanation.
Just the fact that you would delay it another whatever...
joe rogan
55 years?
Something like that?
kurt metzger
Like...
unidentified
Why?
kurt metzger
Automatically.
Yeah, what could the reason be?
Is it something good?
joe rogan
I'm sure you have our best interests in mind.
You always do.
kurt metzger
Why would you not want to tell us this right now?
joe rogan
Yeah.
What about this?
Could people not handle something that happened in 1963?
Go.
kurt metzger
Also, what about all the data of the safe, effective vaccine that I got that they want to hold back for 75?
joe rogan
Yeah.
kurt metzger
Really?
joe rogan
75 years.
But they're making them do it quicker.
kurt metzger
Yeah, the judge.
We don't have enough people to go through and put black...
You're allowed to redact?
Did you see the EU hearings?
And they're asking about the data, and the guy's holding up what they were given, and it's all blacked out, except for one line here and there.
That's just the contract with the drug companies that the guy's government made.
unidentified
Whew!
kurt metzger
That's proprietary information.
joe rogan
Well, think about Sam Bankman Freed.
kurt metzger
Yeah.
joe rogan
Now, multiply that.
Many, many times.
kurt metzger
Yeah.
joe rogan
And you've got the amount of money that's rolling around.
And it's just getting in everybody's pockets.
kurt metzger
It's the same goddamn thing.
joe rogan
Creating influence everywhere you go.
kurt metzger
Do the same people that made...
What's the movie about...
You know, Steve Carell's in it and Batman's in it.
joe rogan
Yeah.
kurt metzger
About 2008. That thing keeps going.
It's never...
joe rogan
The Big Short.
kurt metzger
All that stuff Matt Taibbi wrote about has never been addressed or fixed in any way.
joe rogan
No.
No, and Matt Daiby did a brilliant job of breaking it down to someone who's never studied the markets before, and you just go, what?
kurt metzger
Yeah, right.
joe rogan
That's how you guys were doing this?
Like, this whole thing is insane.
And then the whole thing about you have to bail them out, and then the people that you bail out are allowed to get bonuses, like giant bonuses.
kurt metzger
Yeah, right.
joe rogan
You have to give them the bonus, because otherwise they're going to leave and go somewhere else.
Like, what?
kurt metzger
Yeah!
joe rogan
What the fuck are you saying?
kurt metzger
The country's on fire.
The WeWork guy.
You ever see WeWork?
joe rogan
Yeah, what happened with that?
kurt metzger
I don't know anything about that.
So he got like a billion dollars out of, what was it?
It was like a tech company, but their tech was selling office space or renting office space, which is not tech.
And all you had to do was just be barefoot and talk about some kind of goop kind of shit.
That's all you got to do with rich people.
I was talking to this dude, Pasta, who has a good podcast I do.
We were talking about Hawaii.
You could make a whole living.
Steve said, you just bring a didgeridoo to Hawaii and walk along the beach just playing and you could get some kind of patronage eventually.
And that's like a therapy.
joe rogan
Those are the weirdest fucking, that's like Viking shit.
Like where'd that come from?
Is it a Maori thing?
Is that a New Zealand thing?
kurt metzger
I thought it was an Aboriginal thing.
joe rogan
Is that what it is?
That's a great fucking sound.
kurt metzger
I gotta believe that they never, the Aborigines never enjoyed their own didgeridoos as much as a white guy with dreadlocks.
joe rogan
Wow, look at them.
Look how cool that looks.
Holy shit.
They're wearing these wild, like, paint all over their body and these crazy outfits.
I want to hear that.
Can we hear it?
kurt metzger
I mean, that guy could clean up in Hawaii if he showed up.
joe rogan
Fuck yeah.
kurt metzger
Those guys were on the beach.
joe rogan
It's such a fucking psychedelic sound.
kurt metzger
Yeah, right.
joe rogan
If you were doing mushrooms in like a teepee with a fire in the center of it, you hear that sound.
unidentified
- Cool. - Fuck yeah.
joe rogan
We're tripping balls.
kurt metzger
Is he doing a didgeridoo solo right now?
joe rogan
Yeah, bro, I'm tripping balls just listening to him.
Imagine you hear that sound and you have like a cold camp because you're trying to hide. - And you're hoping that they don't find you?
kurt metzger
I mean...
Can I tell you what I appreciate?
joe rogan
The aboriginals are ready to come kick your ass, and you hear this from the top of the mountain?
unidentified
Fuck!
kurt metzger
I'm Tom Selleck in Quigley Down Under, waiting.
This guy, you can tell, is like the Steve Vai of didgeridoo.
joe rogan
That's wild.
kurt metzger
Well, I mean...
joe rogan
My buddy Adam Greentree works with a lot of Aboriginal people.
He runs a mining company in Australia.
And he said that there's so many languages that they call them mobs.
kurt metzger
Oh, yeah, right.
joe rogan
Instead of a tribe, they call themselves a mob.
And one mob might not understand what another mob 100 kilometers away speaks.
kurt metzger
Really?
joe rogan
Yep.
kurt metzger
Oh, no shit.
joe rogan
He said it's wild.
And he said a lot of it's not written down either, unfortunately.
So, like, if they die, if they die off, and sometimes they'll have, like, you know, historically, they were poisoned by people that lived there.
They were poisoned by the settlers.
kurt metzger
Oh, yeah, yeah, it's crazy.
joe rogan
They lost, like, giant groups of them.
There's, like, a cave he was telling me about.
And if you go there, there's, like, a whole mob that was killed with poison.
They gave them poison food in this cave.
kurt metzger
Oh, yeah, really?
It's a really bad...
joe rogan
There's Adam.
That's my buddy.
jamie vernon
That might have been the cave, but it might not be.
joe rogan
Well, there's a cave that was filled with bones.
kurt metzger
Yeah, right.
Quigley Down Under was about a lot of that, but they were shooting at originals.
But it's really wild what happened.
joe rogan
Quigley Down Under?
kurt metzger
Yeah, you ever see that with Tom Selleck?
joe rogan
No, I never saw that.
kurt metzger
Oh yeah, he shows up and it's all about that, how they were massacring.
Not, he wasn't doing it, but I guess Quigley, I don't think it's a real guy.
joe rogan
They would steal their children and make them be adopted by white people.
kurt metzger
Well, that's a Canada...
joe rogan
Quigley Down Under.
kurt metzger
Canada has a whole history of that, right?
joe rogan
Yeah, they did that too, I think, right?
kurt metzger
The pictures, they'll have pictures of the whole thing and they make them in black and white even though it wasn't...
Black and white.
This is like 1975. Yeah, to create emotional distance from the event.
joe rogan
Oh, Jesus Christ, that's crazy.
This was a long time ago, back when there was only paintings.
kurt metzger
You put it in black and white, and people are like, get over it.
joe rogan
Funny, that's all you have to do.
Put in black and white and people are like, oh.
kurt metzger
Just make it a Polaroid.
joe rogan
Make it a Polaroid.
Like, clearly big white strip on the bottom.
Oh, it's a Polaroid.
kurt metzger
Wait, do you know, I was just thinking, can you only play that one song on didgeridoo?
I've only heard one song.
joe rogan
Well, I think you get to make your own sort of sound.
Because there's no, it's all in what noises you're making in that giant ass tube.
kurt metzger
Did you see that Dune movie where they, the new one they made?
And the guy, there's like, they're doing some sacrifice.
joe rogan
No, I didn't see the new Dune.
kurt metzger
Oh, there's a cool part.
joe rogan
Was it good?
kurt metzger
Yeah, it was great.
I mean, I thought you'd done as well as you could do it.
But the guy's doing that throat, it's not, you know, that, I don't know, not Tibet, that throat singing where it's like almost like some Mongol shit and they make a didgeridoo.
Oh yeah, here we go.
It's right in the beginning of this.
Yeah.
It's like that monk chant.
joe rogan
That's what Duncan Trussell does before he goes to sleep.
Wow.
This is fucking cool.
kurt metzger
Yeah, it was pretty good.
joe rogan
Bro, I need to see this movie.
I saw the original one.
Way back in the Disney.
kurt metzger
I saw a long copy of it that doesn't...
It was like George C. Scott doing the opening and not...
joe rogan
Oh, really?
kurt metzger
The one where the girl who plays the princess is doing it is one of the worst.
She goes, oh, and I forgot one more thing.
unidentified
She says that...
kurt metzger
The plan is called Dune.
It's such a bad cut, but I think this was an Alan Smithy one.
When I was in art school, my friend Tom had it.
It was actually, I liked it a lot.
joe rogan
Do you think we're sliding into some science fiction movie dystopia?
It's just happening.
kurt metzger
Yeah.
joe rogan
Slowly and unstoppably.
kurt metzger
I think it happened 20 years ago, and you're just slowly learning of it now.
joe rogan
And we're gonna wake up one day when things are horrific, and that will be our normal existence.
And if we saw that today, we'd be terrified.
We'd be terrified.
It's gonna be like the Terminator.
It's gonna be like flying drones that know where your location is at all times.
kurt metzger
Dude, that movie that you showed, that Collapse movie, which I remember when that came out, and how bizarre that is, that it's getting great reviews back then, because it was like...
joe rogan
Kind of right-wingy.
kurt metzger
Well, that's not right.
That doesn't even sound right-wingy.
joe rogan
No, it's like anti...
kurt metzger
That's what they would say now.
joe rogan
Yeah, that's what they would say now.
kurt metzger
Oh, you think it's bad, though?
The Wars, you're really right-wing.
Like, do you even know?
unidentified
Right.
kurt metzger
So nothing means anything.
It's all like a label that could be changed at a moment's notice, and you're supposed to forget what it meant Like two weeks ago.
joe rogan
The fact that it can be changed at a moment, Ellis, and the fact that you can get people to support war, you can get people to ignore the existence of the military-industrial complex and the amount of money that is involved in that and the influence that that has.
kurt metzger
Dude, that's the worst part of that Jon Stewart thing, because you can see he's like, I'm not trying to hold your feet if I keep doing that, because he wants to get to something.
And then what he gets to is, okay, I know, do you think this isn't cost-effective for our empire?
The only appeal he makes to him is, maybe we're stretching our empire too thin, and is it fiscally...
That's all he'll broach the topic with them.
That's how fucking warped it is.
joe rogan
But is that the only way you could have that conversation with them?
Do they have parameters, you think?
kurt metzger
Yeah, why would they even show up to that?
joe rogan
But would John push that?
Or would John know that this is the way to get access to these peoples?
You have to be able to have these kind of interviews with him.
kurt metzger
I would love to know.
Because, first of all, there's no way he doesn't know by now that that medal he put on the guy that was a guy with a Nazi tattoo.
joe rogan
Now he probably knows.
kurt metzger
There's no way he doesn't know.
joe rogan
Yeah, he probably knows now.
kurt metzger
It's just the thing of having faith in the, like, let's not give up on this, just not.
It still works.
Like, what's his name?
Jan Wenner?
joe rogan
Mm-hmm.
kurt metzger
The thing where he's like, yeah, the drug supply is really safe.
He was watching somebody who's like a legendary founder of a thing who's like, so like, no, like Ben and Jerry are in charge now.
It's the good people are the establishment.
It's all being taken care of.
And they don't read.
They know people.
So they just assume it's all, you know.
joe rogan
They assume everything is fine because that's what the narrative is.
And if you're a good person, you go with the narrative.
kurt metzger
There you go!
joe rogan
Do you remember when they had the fucking Boston bomber on the cover and they got criticized because he was hot?
kurt metzger
Oh, yeah.
joe rogan
Do you remember that?
Find that photo.
He looks like a teen idol.
He's a handsome fella.
kurt metzger
That dreamboat terrorist?
joe rogan
Dreamboat terrorist.
kurt metzger
Not like the meaner older brother with his...
joe rogan
Look at him there.
kurt metzger
Yeah.
No, I mean, he does look like a boy band.
joe rogan
Look at that.
He looks like he's some fucking new guy.
He's the new hot guy the girls have on their wall.
kurt metzger
Were they Chechen?
joe rogan
I don't know what he was.
kurt metzger
Is that what they said?
joe rogan
Well, that wasn't that long ago, huh?
kurt metzger
Yeah, because...
Terry Clark Jr. Remember back when we had no problem with Russia because the Chechens and Muslim terrorists and they cracked down on that?
joe rogan
This whole thing is wild.
But the fact that they found it disgusting and shameful, tasteless, a slap in the face to America.
Boston public officials have issued similar appraisals.
Mayor Thomas Menino called it a total disgrace.
CVS, Walgreens, and other local retailers have promised not to sell the issue.
unidentified
Wow.
joe rogan
But that's just because his face was cute.
Scroll back up.
Imagine if you look like Harvey Weinstein.
kurt metzger
I mean, you tell me he's not way hotter than the FTX kid?
joe rogan
He's hot.
kurt metzger
They got full page...
joe rogan
Look at him, he's a handsome fellow.
kurt metzger
I know, I think he didn't do it the more I look at his picture.
I don't think he could have with those lips.
joe rogan
But if his head was shaved and he was ugly, would they still have him on the cover?
But the thing is, why do they have him on the cover?
Why take a terrifying, awful situation like that and make the person a star?
kurt metzger
Well, number one, that's the most important thing.
I bet you sell a bunch of copies of Rolling Stone with that as the cover.
A dreamy terrorist?
joe rogan
Would you like to be in the room when they made that call?
kurt metzger
Um...
joe rogan
Do we put the terrorist dreamboat on the cover or Gary Clark Jr?
Because Gary Clark Jr is on the cover too.
kurt metzger
Who's Gary Clark Jr?
joe rogan
He's the baddest motherfucker alive.
You don't know who Gary Clark Jr is?
kurt metzger
I think Dozer, Sawyer, Strikes, Aerotops is more bad than him.
joe rogan
He's one of the greatest guitarists that's ever lived.
unidentified
Oh, oh, oh.
kurt metzger
I thought you meant like...
joe rogan
No, he's alive right now.
He lives in Austin, Texas.
He's the fucking man.
kurt metzger
Oh, I didn't know anything about him.
joe rogan
Him and Suzanne Santo did a cover of Midnight Rider once.
I saw it at a live club.
To this day, like one of the greatest musical performances I've ever seen.
It's Gary Clark Jr.'s version of the Allman Brothers' Midnight Rider with Suzanne Santo singing, and she doesn't totally know the words, so she Googled it and got the fucking lyrics on her phone.
She's singing perfectly.
Her version of Midnight Rider off of a fucking phone impromptu.
kurt metzger
Where were you?
joe rogan
There was like a small club in downtown LA. Oh, no shit.
Yes.
I was with my oldest daughter and Suzanne and Gary Clark Jr. and Ben because Honey Honey was together back then.
And it was like some Smirnoff thing or some shit.
Some fucking liquor company put together some event where they were going to perform live.
It was like...
150 people in the room.
It was like a midnight on a Tuesday in downtown LA. It was fucking amazing.
And I recorded some of it and put it on the Instagram.
Find the video.
It was so fucking good, dude.
This video from my stupid phone is only going to capture just a trace of the magic in the room.
But when it was happening in the room, it was like, holy shit, this is good.
kurt metzger
You're reminding me of...
Here he is.
unidentified
That's Gary Clark Jr., motherfucker.
kurt metzger
Oh, I know who that is.
unidentified
Okay.
joe rogan
Listen to that.
And this is just from my phone.
Yeah, right.
You know how good this sounded there?
kurt metzger
Yeah, no, I was going to say a phone is going to be like the least...
joe rogan
It's Jameson.
and that's what it was.
unidentified
Goddamn, that's good.
joe rogan
you See, she's reading the lyrics right now off her phone.
Look at that.
She doesn't know them!
How wild was that?
Was that the end of it?
kurt metzger
You know what you just reminded me of, dude?
Artie Lang's story of...
Remember Prince played Silent Live party?
Like the after party of Silent Live one time?
joe rogan
Oh yeah?
kurt metzger
It was one night when I went to that party and it was with Artie Lang.
I want to say Frank Sebastiano.
But Prince was supposed to show up.
I guess maybe he did much later, but Artie wanted to sit in the front row and heckle him and scream.
Play Raspberry Beret!
He was just going to be a fat guy.
He wanted Prince to see a fat guy.
Raspberry Beret!
joe rogan
Thank God he didn't do that.
kurt metzger
Yeah, I think Prince went to like the real after party or something was what it was.
There's like a real one.
joe rogan
I had a chance to see Prince once live at the foundation room at the House of Blues in Vegas.
I decided it was too late.
I'm gonna go to sleep.
kurt metzger
You know where I saw him one time?
In person?
At Ben Glebe's birthday party.
unidentified
Really?
kurt metzger
Yeah, first time.
joe rogan
He was walking around?
kurt metzger
It was at this club and Prince came in.
He was real smart.
Because, you know, he was a Jehovah Witness for a minute.
joe rogan
Prince was?
kurt metzger
Oh yeah, so I wanted to ask him all about.
But you can't even get near Prince.
joe rogan
So, Christian scientists are the ones that don't let you go to the doctor, right?
kurt metzger
I'm not really clear.
I know that was something part of it at one point, but that's...
joe rogan
Not Jehovah Witness, huh?
kurt metzger
No, that's Mary Baker Eddy.
joe rogan
So was he Jehovah Witness as a child like you were?
unidentified
No, as an adult.
joe rogan
Or was he a late adopter?
kurt metzger
Yeah.
Yeah, he went door to door.
joe rogan
Whoa.
How old was he?
unidentified
I don't know.
kurt metzger
I feel like Chris Rock had a joke about it or something.
Somebody had a joke about it, about Prince knocking on your door.
Like...
It was when he's an adult, like...
joe rogan
All I'm hearing about Chris Rock is that he's on fire right now.
Oh, I bet.
All this, like, getting slapped by Will Smith and the Academy of Plot.
I think that lit a fire into that dude.
All I've been hearing.
I heard he destroyed here in Austin.
kurt metzger
Well, if you watch that recording...
Also, right before that...
So, you know Tim Dillon, right?
I did a live show that he had at the main room, okay?
And after, Chris Rock came up and talked to me.
He was like, yeah, it was really fun.
It was, like, really cool, okay?
And then he hit me up a couple weeks later to maybe help write jokes for stuff.
You know, like, so I was like, awesome.
He was, like, an awesome guy.
Like, I talked to him for, like, a couple hours on the phone.
We talked.
And so...
I didn't know what the timetable, because he did mention jokes for the Oscars, okay?
But I don't know when all that stuff is, and I'm not good with email.
So, we...
joe rogan
I know where this is going.
kurt metzger
So I just figured he'd text me, but that's how Louie wrote his email.
So I was getting all this emails from the guy.
I'm working on Kyle's thing and Jimmy's thing.
I had no concept of when anything was.
So I had to go do Winnipeg.
And while I was coming home from Winnipeg, I get a call from my manager.
She's like, did you write a joke about Will Smith's white?
And I go, oh shit, the Oscars was tonight?
joe rogan
So you're responsible?
kurt metzger
I like to think I'm not.
joe rogan
So you wrote the G.I. Jane?
kurt metzger
No, I think that was an in-the-moment thing.
Well, I think I was in a moment, because when I watch that, I don't, well, this is what I'd be thinking, which looks to me like Chris Rogers thinking is, first of all, this is the worst gig ever, being a funny comedian at the Oscars.
joe rogan
It's a terrible gig.
kurt metzger
Right?
And he's not a big, like, improv guy.
Like, he likes to do jokes and polish them, you know?
So Will Smith is coming on stage, and you're like, alright, I'm gonna have to, it's an Oscar moment, right?
So I gotta get ready whenever Will Smith wants to improv.
And I'll bet you, up until Contact, I'll bet you he thought it was like a fake...
joe rogan
Right.
kurt metzger
I'm sure, like, that's what I would have thought, and I would have been, because I don't like to have to deal, like, until it hit him, I bet he didn't even realize it was an actual thing until right when he hit him.
joe rogan
I think he didn't hit him hard.
kurt metzger
No, but, I mean.
joe rogan
I think he just did that.
kurt metzger
It's still shocking.
joe rogan
I mean, definitely.
But people are like, you know, like, why didn't it knock him down?
I don't think he hit him hard.
I think he probably wanted to hit him hard, then realized when he was about to hit him.
unidentified
It's such a- It's so weird to watch.
kurt metzger
Oh my god.
joe rogan
Did that really happen?
It was a terrible slap.
kurt metzger
Yeah.
And then you're like, oh, I gotta keep the show going.
Like, there's a big gig.
joe rogan
There's nothing worse than- And now he's feeling it, right?
Now his adrenaline spiked.
He's like, what the fuck?
Keep my wife's name out of your fucking mouth.
Look at Chris.
kurt metzger
I mean, what a hell gig, dude.
Anyway, I bet he has a great side right now.
joe rogan
I hear he's fucking murdering.
Segura went to see him.
He said it was awesome.
He said it was awesome.
He said it's like Chris Rock from Bigger and Blacker, like Bring the Pain, like that level, just crushing.
Will Smith reignited the beast.
kurt metzger
Holy shit.
joe rogan
Yeah, I mean, think about it, man.
He probably wanted to be a part of that whole fucking industry thing.
That's why you host the Oscars in the first place, right?
kurt metzger
Oh, that's a good point, too.
joe rogan
And then get slapped by this guy who winds up winning the Oscar, and they give him a fucking standing ovation after you got slapped by that guy.
They all cheer and stand up.
kurt metzger
Once you see it, you can't unsee it.
joe rogan
You can't unsee that.
kurt metzger
Yeah, right.
joe rogan
Yeah, these are crazy people.
These are crazy people.
kurt metzger
I saw it.
I remember when, what's his name, at the Emmys when Jeffrey Tambor won for Transparent.
Remember he got like Me Too'd off that show?
Because he was sexually harassing the trans co-stars.
joe rogan
They were saying that.
kurt metzger
Yeah, and I remember, so this is before any Caitlyn Jenner.
joe rogan
He was saying he didn't do anything.
kurt metzger
I mean, I kind of believe, I think they wanted him off the show.
So here's why I think they just want him off the show.
Well, I think Jill Soloway's not Jill Soloway now.
But at the time, won the Emmy.
I remember she was like, fight the patriarchy.
Like, sweetie, do you think the patriarchy's not in charge of you?
You have this reminder to let you know who's in charge.
It's like all sharp.
It'll stab you if you...
So he goes, if I could be the last cis man to play a trans woman, I wouldn't be sad.
And the whole crowd's like, yeah!
I'm just watching.
It's like if Al Jolson was like, if I could be the last blackface performer.
And they're all like, oh.
And so just a couple years later, I'm sure all those people would be like, how dare you have played...
But they were all rooting for it, and I'm like, I bet half of you have never even watched this show.
Probably more.
joe rogan
Do you know the hardcore feminists are now, well, the TERFs, are now using the term woman face?
kurt metzger
I've been saying that.
I have a whole joke about that for a while, and I've yet to hear why.
I remember years ago asking somebody, a producer, when that was Rachel Dolezal.
I was just asking this.
This was not as big a controversy of a thing at the time.
But I was like, well, how is that different?
Because I knew a bunch of people that were trans.
It was in New York for 20 years.
joe rogan
They're transracial.
kurt metzger
I'm just asking, why can't you be that?
I've never gotten a...
I've tried to find a satisfying answer.
I've never gotten one.
But this person, I'll never forget.
He goes, Kurt.
That's the answer.
Like, I thought about that for years, dude.
It's just like, don't do this.
That's the answer to just asking a question like that.
And in fact, I would say everything I can't stand in every business is the, is that the hill you want to die on?
joe rogan
That's a good one.
That's a good one.
kurt metzger
I've heard people say for years.
And what the fuck does that mean?
That means...
Like, you're running for office.
Do I tell the truth about this now or do I save my political capital for when it's really important to be honest?
I'm not running for anything.
I can be honest whatever the fuck I want.
But you're supposed to have that.
Like, is this the hill?
Why do I have to die in a hill about...
joe rogan
You're asking a question that's a legitimate question.
unidentified
Am I going to be killed?
joe rogan
But it's a funny thing that there's certain things you're not allowed to question.
kurt metzger
Yeah, Kanye was right about that part of knowing you shouldn't talk.
I remember in his interview with Tucker, Kyle did an impression of it.
Did he?
joe rogan
Oh, I did see that, the rap, when he does the rap thing.
kurt metzger
But one thing Kanye said, which is a good point, is you just train to know what to not even get into.
It's not a thing of being afraid of any specific thing.
Just be afraid of...
Like you're a human AdSense bot.
You're like, oh, that might not be good for my...
Right?
Around the time when you became a brand, I remember it was having a brand.
joe rogan
Yeah.
kurt metzger
Then you are a brand.
So you're not even the cow...
Anymore that gets branded you're the fucking brand.
unidentified
That's what you are now That's what I know not to talk to a person.
joe rogan
Yeah, I love what you've done with your brand Kurt.
kurt metzger
Oh my god No, no one has ever said that to me once I just did I'm so glad I'm the first No one has ever handled my brand.
Well, I've had a dozen people tell me that Well, but okay, that's that's your brand, but what is better than but I mean, but still nonsense Yeah, but that was the first...
I bet I could guess their age from if they said, I love your brand, because there was a time when that was...
Yeah, but then it became, you are the brand.
So you wouldn't even think about it and of it belonging to you.
You're it.
joe rogan
How do you manage yourself as a brand, Kurt?
kurt metzger
Not well.
Like three kids on each other's shoulders with a trench coat trying to get into a dirty movie.
Sherrod told me I look like that.
joe rogan
That's a perfect fucking description.
unidentified
Oh my god, that's hilarious.
joe rogan
That's a perfect description.
kurt metzger
Sherrod said to me a long time ago.
And that's exactly how I walk downstairs.
Not an ounce of coordination.
joe rogan
That's hilarious.
kurt metzger
Yeah.
There's some creepy ass thing that happened where you, like...
So when all that you fight, people fight, you know, they go, is it hurting comedy?
Cancel culture?
Is it hurting?
Like, it's not hurting.
Comedy is probably the only way you can talk now.
It's hurting if you're just saying what you think.
joe rogan
It's one of the few things that you can still talk about ridiculously controversial shit.
kurt metzger
Yeah.
joe rogan
And make jokes.
As long as it's funny.
kurt metzger
It's much worse than it killing comedy.
It's killing you just speaking your mind.
joe rogan
Yeah.
kurt metzger
And you have, like...
joe rogan
Having opinions at the workplace.
kurt metzger
Yeah, right.
But everything is based on are you representing the company?
Like in your personal time, how is your life reflecting the company?
And that's what all that little cancel bullshit, what it did is made your life...
joe rogan
Not just the company, but universities.
Did you hear about that kid that got his scholarship revoked?
Because there was a video of him singing along to a rap song and he says the N-word?
kurt metzger
I mean, how many of the...
joe rogan
What was the story with that?
Yeah, pull that story up.
kurt metzger
How the hell, okay, by the way, how the hell is Justin Trudeau, the Prime Minister with like three blackface incidents that I know of?
I mean, have you ever seen how insane it looks?
joe rogan
That is the least of my worries with that guy.
kurt metzger
No, I know, but it's such an amazing...
joe rogan
The scary thing with him is what they're doing with the WEF. Wait, does it say the rap N-word?
Yeah, he rapped along to some song.
He raps N-word on camera, loses University of Florida scholarship.
It's not his own rap, right?
kurt metzger
Especially in Florida.
joe rogan
Was he singing along to a song, along to the words, and posted...
What is it?
Click on what it says there?
I was in my car listening to rap music, rapping along to the words and posted a video of it on social media.
He wrote, I deeply apologize for the words in the song that I chose to say.
It was hurtful and offensive to many people and I regret that.
So they took away a scholarship.
kurt metzger
Okay, but he still could be Prime Minister of Canada though.
jamie vernon
He actually, I mean, he didn't, I guess he had a scholarship.
He's just not, he wasn't even enrolled yet.
He's still in high school.
joe rogan
Oh.
jamie vernon
It's like he's going to go somewhere else probably.
joe rogan
So he can't get a scholarship there.
jamie vernon
Yeah, at that school.
Someone else, a professional player was like, he'll probably get a scholarship somewhere else though.
Just not this school.
joe rogan
So did he used to have a scholarship there and they revoked it?
jamie vernon
I don't even know if, I'll look and see if they revoked it.
He might have just stepped down and just been like, alright, let's not get involved in this.
joe rogan
No.
I fully accept the consequence of my action.
I respect the University of Florida's decision to withdraw my scholarship offer to play football.
jamie vernon
Yeah, it's just an offer though.
joe rogan
Okay, but they did have a scholarship offer to him and they withdrew it.
That was the thing.
kurt metzger
Do you see the con here?
He had an offer to go smash his brain into Swiss cheese and not be compensated properly.
unidentified
That's been revoked.
joe rogan
Speaking of Swiss cheese, have you ever seen that video of Mickey Mouse making Swiss cheese with his dick?
kurt metzger
No.
unidentified
There's an old, old, old, old Mickey Mouse cartoon.
kurt metzger
That Walt Disney himself made.
joe rogan
Someone from the Walt Disney Organization.
I don't want to pin it on Walt.
kurt metzger
Will I get to see it now?
joe rogan
Yeah, watch.
So look, he's fucking, he's got his dick.
kurt metzger
Oh, with his boner.
Okay, but he's wearing pants.
joe rogan
He's got a boner.
And he's putting holes in his Swiss cheese with his boner.
kurt metzger
I always knew that's how I did it.
joe rogan
Look at that.
Mickey has a boner, and he's making Swiss cheese with his dick.
kurt metzger
My God, look at him.
joe rogan
I mean, it's in the middle of his fucking pants.
It's not in any other place other than where a dick's supposed to be.
What are we supposed to think there?
kurt metzger
I don't know.
joe rogan
That's 100% Mickey's dick.
kurt metzger
I feel like watching Jon Stewart hanging a metal on a Nazi right now.
joe rogan
How crazy is that?
jamie vernon
I'm going to read, but Snopes says this is false, even though we just watched it.
joe rogan
What does Snopes say?
unidentified
I don't know.
joe rogan
Because Snopes is bought and paid for it, bro.
jamie vernon
It says it's not doing what we're seeing.
joe rogan
Okay, what does Snopes say?
Does this Disney cartoon show Mickey Mouse inappropriately making Swiss cheese?
unidentified
Okay, you've got to read these because they're sometimes crazy.
joe rogan
Why?
Why is it false?
Somebody made it the bit of animation was created in 2011 So this bit of animation was created on the B3TA board an internet forum that frequently features photoshopped images in March of 2011 But even without knowing the source behind the image viewers can spot many other factors that demonstrate It was not part of an official Disney film I, for one, rest easy now.
jamie vernon
Like a recent TikTok trend.
These things go fast and viral on TikTok and no one fax checks anything.
joe rogan
Oh, so it's a Steamboat Willie, so they cut out...
kurt metzger
Yeah, TikTok is really...
joe rogan
I didn't think it could be possible, and if I thought it was possible, the thing that was getting me like, how do I not know this yet?
kurt metzger
No, that's what I was thinking, because The Little Mermaid, just the mere suggestion that there were dicks hidden in the background of the cover.
joe rogan
Was there?
kurt metzger
Yeah, the Little Mermaid thing that...
joe rogan
There was dicks hidden?
kurt metzger
I don't even know if that's to this day, if that was real or not.
Do you remember the stuff that would go around?
joe rogan
When I was a kid, I heard this.
Do you remember the Little Mermaid one?
jamie vernon
I don't know that specifically, but it's a meme itself that there's a whole bunch of hidden stuff in old Disney stuff.
kurt metzger
Do you remember these misinformations?
jamie vernon
Some of it looks real and some of it is like...
joe rogan
Some of it could be like this though, right?
Some of it could be like the boner...
How did he make Swiss cheese?
How did Mickey?
So the whole Mickey Swiss cheese thing was fake.
There was no Swiss cheese factory.
That's hilarious.
kurt metzger
Wow.
jamie vernon
The phallus...
Yeah, so this says the phallus purposely added the artwork for the Little Mermaid VHS cover.
It's also not real, but I don't have to look at this.
joe rogan
They got you, Kurt.
jamie vernon
It could be Photoshopped.
kurt metzger
We didn't have any...
Remember this?
Did you ever hear this rumor?
This was when I was in high school.
This was going around.
And it was usually church people.
I heard it from a sister in Jehovah's Witnesses, but I also heard it from kids that were evangelical.
That Procter& Gamble, you know, the shampoo magnates, I guess, went on.
It was Phil Donahue.
I've heard other talk shows, but Phil Donahue to announce that they worship Satan, and that's why they're putting a satanic symbol on the shampoo.
unidentified
What?
kurt metzger
Yeah, and Phil Donahue's like, don't you think Christians are going to be mad?
And then they go, there's not enough Christians to stop us.
I heard that exact thing go around.
And I was 17 when I heard it.
It didn't sound...
Yeah, it didn't sound plausible to me as a 17-year-old.
joe rogan
Look at this.
The company spent decades battling false claims that it was in league with the devil.
You know what that's like?
It's like the rigid-geared gerbil-in-the-ass rumor.
kurt metzger
Yeah, right.
He blamed Stallone for many years.
Did you know that?
joe rogan
No.
He says Stallone did it?
kurt metzger
Yeah, that was like, because I would check that news when I knew.
joe rogan
Him and Stallone were feuding?
kurt metzger
I think it's like 65 years before the government releases if that happens.
It's even longer than...
joe rogan
Did Sylvester Stallone start the rigid gear drama rumor?
An investigation?
Oh, they investigated!
kurt metzger
Because it's not even a thing, right?
People don't actually do that.
joe rogan
I don't know.
unidentified
Do they do that?
kurt metzger
I'm sure somebody tried after the rumor, but it's, you know.
joe rogan
Dude, my buddy Steve worked, he did his residency in Miami in the 1980s during the cocaine days.
So he did a lot of time in the emergency room.
He said, we found everything up people's asses.
G.I. Joe dolls, light bulbs.
They found light bulbs up a guy's ass.
kurt metzger
Oh yeah, everything.
joe rogan
Coke bottles, everything.
kurt metzger
Yeah, I used to have a joke about that, humans being the only animal to sometimes stick other animals in their asses.
That's how you know we're superior.
We'll just eat you.
joe rogan
We'll use you as a suppository.
kurt metzger
Yeah, whatever.
joe rogan
Just for shits and giggles.
kurt metzger
I ran out of things to use you for.
jamie vernon
Dan Savage says this is an unverified and persistent urban legend.
unidentified
Hmm.
kurt metzger
Because once people say a stupid thing like that, though, someone will try it.
joe rogan
Well, we don't think it's real.
But what was the root of it?
Like, who started it?
But that wasn't one of those things.
Like, if you're Richard Gere and you walked into a party, people would start, like, making jokes.
kurt metzger
Did it harm his career, do you think?
That...
joe rogan
That's a good question.
I don't know.
I mean, it certainly harmed his reputation if people thought it was real.
Well, imagine a rumor that spreads across the entire country about you sticking a rat in your ass.
kurt metzger
Yeah.
joe rogan
But no one else.
unidentified
Just you.
kurt metzger
I'd be upset.
I might want to point fingers at Stallone.
joe rogan
There's no Clint Eastwood rumors of a rat in the ass.
Here's what we know.
Gere claims he never had a gerbil in his butt.
Imagine just having to say that they win.
Stallone claims he never started the rumor, although we must now investigate his hatred for chicken mustard grease.
unidentified
What?
kurt metzger
What?
joe rogan
It said no one can corroborate the definitive start of the rumor nor the debiliterity of it ever happening, and the world spins badly on.
Okay.
kurt metzger
But those, they wouldn't get corrected, those things.
You know, like the Procter& Gamble was so, so dumb.
There was no internet.
It was just word of mouth.
joe rogan
Oh, that's so crazy.
If that happens, like this Balenciaga thing that I sent you, Jamie?
kurt metzger
Oh, yeah.
joe rogan
What is that about?
kurt metzger
That's probably some guerrilla, some firm, like, pushing the envelope for Balenciaga.
Is that what it is?
Because Balenciaga, you know, they're one of them, like, your Coco Chanel, fascist era.
joe rogan
Very, yeah.
kurt metzger
They're friends with, the guy was friends with Franco, Cristobal, Balenciaga.
So, You know, their image, they probably, didn't they disavow Kanye or something?
joe rogan
Yes.
kurt metzger
And they're like a former Nazi company?
joe rogan
Well, they disavowed Kanye, and then people started, I guess, looking into them.
Or maybe, coincidentally, at the same time, all this stuff started coming out.
I don't know.
kurt metzger
I never heard of them.
I guess that's like a high up...
joe rogan
It's one of those things you hear about, but I have no interest in purses.
So I hear about Balenciaga, I'm like, okay.
kurt metzger
Is that what it is?
joe rogan
That's what they make purses?
kurt metzger
What do they make?
Sunglasses.
joe rogan
What do they make, Jamie?
It's like high-end, fancy shit.
That shit doesn't mean anything to me.
Yeah, I know.
I hear about that, I'm like, okay.
It's like you won a game of Go.
Congratulations.
I'm sure you're smart.
kurt metzger
When I went to China, there was...
I didn't see anything that looked like communism there.
I saw like almost an 80s movie, kind of hyper, like that, you know, like name brand.
But there's a lot of counterfeit stuff, so I'm in a hotel.
I say, I ate nothing.
I had a hard time finding Chinese stuff.
unidentified
What'd you eat?
kurt metzger
Like, hotel food.
Yeah, very, by the way, very well done.
I don't mean cooked well done, I mean good food.
It was very good, but I had.
So it was like, it wasn't expensive at the time.
It was like in 2016 before the election.
And they were kind of into Trump, the people that I talked to at the time.
unidentified
Really?
kurt metzger
They were like, he's a businessman, so he's good.
See, it was very like that when I was there.
And this girl in front of me had on this jacket with a price tag hanging off the back.
And I don't remember what.
It was like something thousands of probably Juwan.
But hanging off the back of the jacket.
joe rogan
To let everybody know how much it cost.
kurt metzger
It was such a big price tag.
It looked like, remember Minnie Pearl from Hee Haw with the hat?
It was like that big.
And the jacket was an Ed Hardy jean jacket that was clearly not made by Ed Hardy.
So it was clearly a knockoff.
And when I went there, they used to have this cool black market around Shanghai where you could find, like, what I wish I could have got was the Nike Reeboks.
They had sneakers that said both Nike and Reebok on them.
But that was all over with by the time I got there.
joe rogan
But they still have entire stores over there that are Apple stores that are not really Apple stores.
Everything in there is counterfeit.
kurt metzger
Yeah, because I think I view IPs differently than here.
joe rogan
Yeah, they don't at all.
They're like, tough shit.
kurt metzger
Yeah, it's like, I don't even understand why I wouldn't do this thing.
joe rogan
Well, it's like the scooping up of intellectual information.
What they do with, like, that's why Huawei got banned in the United States, because they think they're using their routers to scoop up information.
So if you're creating something, you're in some company.
Chinese authorities shut down elaborate fake Apple service center.
kurt metzger
That is very elaborate, because that does not...
jamie vernon
The last story I could find, 2018, most of them were saying there's a few of them around, and then they said they shut it down.
joe rogan
Oh, they shut it down.
Well, it makes sense, because Apple probably has a nice, tidy business deal with them over there.
kurt metzger
Dude, in LA, I can't believe they don't shut down every weed store that looks like an Apple store for some reason.
There's, like, screens.
joe rogan
I know, you buy weed with a tablet on a nice oak table.
kurt metzger
Is this why the weed costs more than illegal now?
joe rogan
It's a lot more.
kurt metzger
Yeah.
joe rogan
But I'll pay.
I'll pay.
Look, the amount of money that you actually spend on weed, even if weed is more than it is now, in comparison to alcohol, it's not even comparable.
kurt metzger
Yeah, right.
joe rogan
Especially if you like to drink expensive shit, like Claze Azul tequila or something, or some old scotch.
That shit's really expensive.
kurt metzger
Yeah, right.
joe rogan
For like 50 bucks, how many drinks can you get?
You know how high you get with 50 bucks?
kurt metzger
Have you seen those like $1,000 joints?
Speaking of joints.
joe rogan
$1,000 joints?
kurt metzger
Yeah, I'll see videos pop up online where it'll be like, I can't remember who it was, it was some rapper, and they were showing him joints that were like $40,000.
It was crazy.
unidentified
What?
kurt metzger
Yeah, you know what I'm talking about, Jamie?
jamie vernon
Yeah, 2 Chainz does this here.
kurt metzger
Oh, that's what it was.
It was 2 Chainz, yeah.
joe rogan
$24,000 joint.
kurt metzger
The most expensive.
jamie vernon
That's pretty big, though, actually.
joe rogan
Oh, is it made with gold?
Is that what it is?
jamie vernon
It's definitely wrapped in gold.
joe rogan
Oh, so you're smoking gold.
kurt metzger
That's good for you, probably.
joe rogan
For a good cause, though.
He created that weed for a good cause.
kurt metzger
What was the cause?
joe rogan
To get fucked up.
jamie vernon
I'm sure they're donating all that money.
joe rogan
And then they donate the money to the African Wildlife Foundation.
kurt metzger
Doesn't mining the gold for the rapper probably harm wildlife more than...
jamie vernon
This is separate from that one.
kurt metzger
Oh.
joe rogan
What is that one?
jamie vernon
Actually, the one he smoked was 50k.
joe rogan
Oh my god.
jamie vernon
And I don't know why.
joe rogan
So look at this.
He's gonna open it up.
Luxury.
Those are 50k?
Those Coronas?
jamie vernon
Maybe.
unidentified
What?
jamie vernon
I'm sure they explained why, but it might not make sense.
joe rogan
Oh, it's 420 bucks.
That's all.
12 grams of flour.
kurt metzger
Probably they build up to one that's 50 grams.
joe rogan
I like how the real potheads call it flour.
12 grams of flour.
kurt metzger
Oh, I know.
I remember being like, I'm not calling it cannabis.
It used to be a thing like a guy with a ponytail would say to you.
joe rogan
Plant medicine.
It's plant medicine, man.
kurt metzger
I'm harvesting the cannabis.
joe rogan
I'm getting all my flowers.
kurt metzger
But I'll tell you what's great about California is I always meet somebody, some cool person that grows a lot.
joe rogan
Oh, yeah.
kurt metzger
That just hooks me up.
joe rogan
Oh, yeah.
There's a lot of good growers.
But that's the thing about the cannabis business.
A lot of fucking really cool people involved in the cannabis business.
Because they're selling cannabis.
So they're getting high all the time.
So they're really kind of cool and passionate.
kurt metzger
Well, a good friend of mine I won't say, but back in New York, who ended up having a pretty good cannabis business, and there was something like, he was working with the city government on the down low, because to say about legal, you know, they work with people, New York has all those deliveries, and that delivery of weed scene was pretty surprisingly violent to me, of bicycle guys, what was that HBO show, High Maintenance, About a guy who delivers weed on his bike.
Half Baked was all about that.
He had to get a friend to be his bodyguard and stuff so people get stabbed.
And I remember going like, wow, there's all that over weed?
He goes, no, it's over money.
I go, oh, right.
Of course.
It's just weed, man.
joe rogan
Well, you remember when Denver made it legal, but then they couldn't do business with credit cards?
Because banks didn't want to do business with them, so they had to do business in cash.
And then they had to take the cash.
And they had multiple times a day drive with the cash to the bank.
So they hired, like, seals and, like, mercenaries to fucking ride with them.
kurt metzger
And these banks, by the way, were later caught taking cartel money for much worse drugs.
I mean, every single thing, all the Epstein.
joe rogan
Well, they took the money, I think, but they wouldn't do business with credit cards.
Credit card companies wouldn't do business with it.
kurt metzger
The nerve of a credit card, yeah.
joe rogan
Because federally, I think the idea is that federally it's still illegal.
I don't know.
I think they've relaxed that now.
Find out if you can still use it.
kurt metzger
Wait, that probably makes legal sense, though, because if you could get busted any minute.
jamie vernon
Everywhere I've been, the way that if you use a card, it's still doing some weird thing where you're paying somebody else and then they're paying them.
joe rogan
Oh.
kurt metzger
Yeah.
joe rogan
You're paying somebody else.
jamie vernon
They do some weird transaction where you pay $5 extra and you text them a number and whatever the fuck.
joe rogan
What are we doing?
It's 2022. This is ridiculous.
Just tax it.
kurt metzger
In fact, I used to say that.
Now I'm like, maybe let's make sure you know what you're...
California has completely fucked that up.
Do you know how the illegal market is now, I guess, bigger than the legal market, which is surprising to me?
joe rogan
Well, because it's also a misdemeanor.
I had this guy, John Norris, who wrote this book about...
It's called Hidden War.
And it's about how their cartels are growing weed on public forestry.
They go to public forest land, like in the fucking California mountains and shit, and they set up these grow-ups, and they grow weed, and they stay there, and they camp there, and they're using these fucking seriously dangerous pesticides and herbicides, and the shit gets in the water supply.
kurt metzger
Well, you know, they're also...
Like, to even go into business, the way it's...
I think all these places, when they legalize it, want to have, like, a monopoly that's in cozy with, like, whatever politicians putting it through, because they make it hard.
You have to have, like, half an illegal grow to support your legal grow, because you have to have so many...
I don't know, however they measure it, to legally be able to do it.
And it's made that way on purpose, to make sure it's, like, only, like, a real...
Big money place can do it.
joe rogan
I'm not exactly sure what you mean.
kurt metzger
There's a whole vice thing about it.
They had something for prisoners in L.A. It's like black prisoners released from the drug war stuff where they get first dibs on getting license to grow.
joe rogan
Imagine getting arrested for something and then you get first dibs on license to grow it legally.
What the fuck did you arrest me for?
kurt metzger
They should get that, by the way.
I don't have a vision with that, but guess what?
They can't get it.
It's even fucked up for them.
It's so...
They just fucked it up.
California stinks, dude.
They can't...
You know, I don't think kids are a house there or anything, so I don't...
But I don't know what the hell, like...
joe rogan
There's a lot of regulations, that's for sure.
But there's so much money from that legal cannabis.
Like, how much good is that done?
I'd like to know, like, what's the benefit?
What's the cost benefit for the state for having it legal?
I mean, California must make a lot of money.
kurt metzger
Yeah, where does it all go?
joe rogan
They're taxing the shit out of it?
jamie vernon
What's the annual amount of money marijuana brings in in tax- 2020 to 2021 fiscal year, California collected about $817 million.
kurt metzger
I like the homeless.
joe rogan
That's a good chunk.
But what is that?
jamie vernon
I don't think that includes the local taxes, which is different too.
And then there's like an excise tax.
I have no idea what that is.
There's like three taxes on it.
joe rogan
Oh.
jamie vernon
Which is why there's a bunch of articles.
I can't get past the paywall to see it right now.
I'm trying to.
That's saying exactly what he's saying, that the illegal market over the last year has jumped up a bunch.
joe rogan
Because of that.
jamie vernon
Yeah.
joe rogan
Because you tax the shit out of it.
kurt metzger
Well, they don't...
You know, the homeless...
joe rogan
What I was getting at, though, let me finish that before I forget.
The reason why the cartels grow on forest land is because it's legal here, it's just a misdemeanor.
kurt metzger
Oh, is that right?
joe rogan
Yeah, yeah, yeah.
So if you're growing illegally, it's not like a gigantic penalty.
Make sure that's true.
I know that was true at one point in time, but if you're caught growing marijuana illegally in California, it's a misdemeanor.
kurt metzger
You're causing a stampede at the border right now.
joe rogan
But I think they're so lenient about it because it is legal to grow it in the state, and so there's some weird fucking reason why they decided to do it there.
I think he said something like 90% of the illegal weed.
jamie vernon
You can grow up to six plants, but the law makes it a misdemeanor if you grow an excess of that.
joe rogan
Yeah.
So that's illegal cultivation of marijuana.
Although adults 21 and older are now permitted to grow up to six plants.
So if you grow more than six plants, the law makes it a misdemeanor offense.
That's it.
The conviction is punishable by six months in jail.
That ain't shit!
So if you're making fucking bank for the cartel...
kurt metzger
And then they catch you and you're like, joke's on you, pal.
I'm not even from here.
joe rogan
He had to develop a tactical force to deal with these people because they were getting shot at.
kurt metzger
Wait, who did?
joe rogan
John Norris, this guy that wrote that book.
He signed up to be a game warden.
He liked going outdoors, doing some fishing.
He'd be like, be good to be a game warden.
You go, you check people's licenses.
How you doing, sir?
Make sure everybody's up to regulation.
Good job.
You're in the outdoors.
kurt metzger
Did you see a Bigfoot?
joe rogan
And then they started finding things like creeks that were dried up.
And they're like, why is this creek dried up?
Well, we'll chase it down.
They go up to the top of the creek thinking that maybe a beaver did something or a farmer did something.
And then they found these tubes that diverted all the water to this illegal grow-up.
And they go there and these people are using all these toxic chemicals.
One of the guy's dogs got shot.
It's crazy shit.
They're having gunfights with these people in the middle of the fucking forest because these are these cartel guys.
kurt metzger
Yeah, right.
joe rogan
So they basically developed a tactical unit.
So he went from From being a game warden, I'm gonna check people's fishing licenses, to being a guy who's like in a shootout with a cartel in the woods.
kurt metzger
Yeah, it's really wild.
unidentified
Wild!
joe rogan
And it's because it's a misdemeanor.
So because it's a misdemeanor to grow a bunch of plants illegally, they just fucking grow anywhere they want.
kurt metzger
So, federally now, because you know that bullshit, this is an important first step that Biden did.
joe rogan
He didn't do anything.
kurt metzger
Yeah, right.
joe rogan
I thought it was good too, and then I looked into it.
There's nobody in jail, nobody's in federal prison for marijuana possession.
kurt metzger
Well, you don't get pulled over by the FBI and busted for simple marijuana permission.
Possession?
You haven't had that problem?
joe rogan
Marijuana possession is not that big of a crime.
It's dealers and growers that get big sentences, and they're not letting them out.
That's the difference.
First of all, it should be fucking legal.
We're not babies.
kurt metzger
Why isn't it, though?
There's people paying to keep it illegal.
unidentified
It's crazy.
joe rogan
We should demand the legality of it.
It's a human rights issue.
You should have access to it.
kurt metzger
You could demand all you want.
joe rogan
It has benefits to a lot of people that use it.
It's real benefits that people enjoy, and people that don't enjoy those benefits are telling you not to do it.
Because if they did enjoy those benefits, they would never tell you you shouldn't do it.
kurt metzger
I think a lot of them do.
It's just they've calculated what profit loss there is.
That's why all the lobbyists keep it illegal.
Do you ever look up the lobbies?
Hilarious.
joe rogan
What are they?
kurt metzger
You know, it's like pharmaceutical companies, of course, and alcohol companies, because they're like, we get regulated, like they're just going to make another drug and not some police union, I think?
The private prison lobby.
joe rogan
I've heard that.
I've heard private prison guards unions.
kurt metzger
Yeah, you gotta keep them full.
joe rogan
They're using human beings in their lives like a battery to generate money.
That's what it is.
There's no reason whatsoever that you should be able to tell a person that you can get drunk, but you can't get high.
That doesn't make any fucking sense.
kurt metzger
Do you know a...
I just found this out.
I mean, it makes me laugh.
I mean, it's a terrible story.
But you ever hear the last slave legally freed in America is 1942?
joe rogan
What?
kurt metzger
Yeah, a guy's name is Irving something or something Irving.
What?
They use everything, debt peonage, where, you know, you get busted for some dumb charge, like vagrancy or something, for 75 bucks, and then a guy's like, I'll pay your fine, and you can come and work on my plantation.
And they lock you up like a slave, and you can't...
joe rogan
Whoa!
kurt metzger
So, and then, and so then they finally, I think a white guy, because it wasn't limited to black people, if you're like a, some kid was visiting down south and got caught up in it and died.
I think that's why it made the papers, this debt peonage thing.
And their defense in court was, no, we're not doing debt peonage, we have slaves.
joe rogan
Oh my God.
kurt metzger
And so they couldn't prosecute them.
And they didn't stop it until like 1942 after Pearl Harbor because the Japanese, and this is in the newspapers, the Japanese were using it as propaganda.
Whoa.
Yeah, it's just like a hilarious, like, to use that as your defense and that's how you get out of it.
That's an amazing...
joe rogan
So you could go when a person was locked up and offered to buy them out.
And they would have to work it off.
kurt metzger
You always hear about, like, slavery and Jim Crow.
joe rogan
But they would be able to decide how much you got paid?
kurt metzger
That's how we got all these, like, we're talking about, is there a quota?
All this shit grew out of that, you know?
And some of these places, it's all inertia.
You know, like, in Texas, I don't know how big, maybe it's bigger news than the state, but I was trying to figure out, because I was like, all this, like, prison labor, if you think, like, illegal immigration is lowering wages, like, I'll bet all the prison labor lowers wages a lot, right?
So I go to look it up, and then here in Texas, it's not even profitable.
They have people picking cotton, and it's not even better than just not having that, but they've just had it for so long.
joe rogan
So they have slaves pick cotton here in Texas?
kurt metzger
If I'm saying this right.
So it's in the 13th Amendment.
Like state property, when you're a prisoner, you're a slave.
That's like written into...
joe rogan
Well, I know they can use you for wildfires, right?
kurt metzger
But slave means your property, right?
That's what it means.
It's not like you had to work for your state property.
That's what you're called as a prisoner.
And that's why they may have the amendment to free the slaves, but that's in there still.
joe rogan
But here's the thing.
When it comes to things like fighting wildfires, do they have any say whether or not they fight a wildfire?
Because you know they use it sometimes as cheap labor.
So do you think they get to choose whether or not they do it?
kurt metzger
Yeah, I'm sure if I'm in prison, I probably would want to get out of it.
joe rogan
That's one of the things that Tulsi Gabbard, during that big debate moment with Kamala Harris...
kurt metzger
You had those guys aren't talking about that!
That's crazy!
She doesn't want to disrupt the prison labor so she doesn't release...
The federal government says you've got to release these people.
joe rogan
Well, she used them to fight wildfires.
But the thing is, what does that mean?
Do you give them an option?
Do you just tell them they have to fight a wildfire no matter what?
Prisoners who want to enter the conservation camp program must meet security requirements and undergo two weeks of training.
The all-inmate crews live in so-called fire camps and are led by personal Personnel from the California Department of Forestry and Fire Protection or Cal Fire.
They earn between $2.90 and $5 a day.
Depending on their dues.
That's insane.
And slightly more when actively fighting a fire.
Slightly more.
I'm going to give you a bump to $3.10 and $5.20.
When fighting a fire, though their numbers have fluctuated over the years, they have often compromised approximately one-third of California's firefighting force.
kurt metzger
That's a lot.
joe rogan
So to put it on in a positive spin, is it possible that it's one of those things, like if you're a specialist in times of war, And they need to make you work.
They need to redraft you.
We need you for this very specific thing.
kurt metzger
You signed up to be property.
joe rogan
If you signed up to be a part of this crew when you were trained and then a wildfire broke out, maybe it was part of the agreement when you signed up that if some shit hit the fan, they were allowed to keep you longer because you were very difficult to train.
But if you signed up for this program, it would lead to you maybe getting paroled earlier.
kurt metzger
Yeah, I've seen the dirty dozen.
unidentified
I know how that works.
kurt metzger
Yeah, you could also sign up for medical experimentation.
Prison sucks.
unidentified
Yeah.
kurt metzger
I bet I would go fight a forest fire if I was in the California penal system.
joe rogan
If you had to choose between experimental medications and fighting a forest fire...
kurt metzger
Dude, maybe the forest fire because...
And I love...
I've experimented with many medications.
joe rogan
Yeah, but on your own free will.
kurt metzger
Yeah, and if they're like, hey, okay, we don't want to use it...
Like, lab rats aren't enough, but we can't use it on the people that aren't owned by this state.
We're going to see prisoners first.
Those are the ones you probably never want to be in the test for.
The ones they take to prisoners, is my guess.
joe rogan
Yeah.
kurt metzger
Like...
It's not great when you see their process with non-prisoners testing.
I'll bet it's really not good when they can do whatever they want, you know?
joe rogan
Especially if you're a piece of shit.
kurt metzger
I mean, that's the premise of so many horror movies.
joe rogan
You got a bunch of fucking murderers sitting around.
A bunch of horrible people, thieves.
kurt metzger
And plus, I imagine, like, our amazing system really improves.
joe rogan
Yeah.
If you got a guy who's, like, killed a bunch of women, why wouldn't you practice some shit on him?
kurt metzger
Yeah, once it's okay.
joe rogan
Get some serial killer guy in there.
Give him the fucking, see what happens, a full dose.
kurt metzger
It's a premise of a lot of video games and very good movies.
unidentified
Really?
Yeah.
joe rogan
Really?
kurt metzger
Yeah, Manhunt.
Remember that Rockstar game, Manhunt?
joe rogan
Well, you know that whole CIA connection to Charles Manson happened when he was in prison.
kurt metzger
Did you see, oh, who's the guy who played Machete?
Danny Trejo, that actor?
joe rogan
No.
kurt metzger
You know who he is, right?
joe rogan
Yeah, sure, sure.
kurt metzger
I saw him telling a story about being in the joint with Charles Manson.
He said that he was like this little ratty guy that had like a rope for a belt, but he could hypnotize you to feel like you were on heroin.
But the only thing is, you had to have done heroin before.
So his one friend, it wouldn't work on him, but him and his buddy, he said, the guy hypnotized him and they threw up and got high.
joe rogan
Whoa.
kurt metzger
And I happened to see you have that author on here and then saw that Danny show.
I was like, that's a weird story.
He could hypnotize you to feel like you were high on heroin.
This is before all that stuff.
joe rogan
Tom O'Neill, who wrote the book Chaos, which is a fucking amazing book, all about this.
He went deep down the rabbit hole for 20 years writing this book.
It's meticulously researched.
kurt metzger
Yeah, right.
I saw that interview.
joe rogan
The CIA 100% did these drug experiments for people in the 1960s.
Was it the 1950s as well?
When did it start?
But they did it.
It's like documented.
kurt metzger
Well, it was good of them to come forward, admit to it, and move on from there.
joe rogan
They did these things where they would dose Johns and brothels.
These guys would go to a whorehouse looking to hook up with some ladies.
kurt metzger
That's a psychedelic, what's it called again?
MKUltra?
joe rogan
Yeah, same thing.
Manson first talked the group into thinking they were smoking weed and then heroin.
By the time he described it hitting my bloodstream, I felt the warmth flowing through my body, Trejo remembers.
If that white boy wasn't a career criminal, he could have been a professional hypnotist.
kurt metzger
That's wild, dude.
joe rogan
So he hypnotized them into feeling like they were doing heroin.
kurt metzger
Have you ever been hypnotized?
joe rogan
Yeah, I have been.
I think they probably taught him how to do that.
And I think this was part of the...
The book doesn't say for a fact this is what they did.
But what it does is point a lot of evidence to the fact that this guy, who was the head of MKUltra, Jolly West...
Definitely visited Manson in prison.
Manson had access to LSD. When he would get arrested, he would get released.
They would say it was above their pay grade.
All points indicate that he was taught how to take these people and lead them.
And that he was taught how to do it with LSD. And that he was supplied LSD. That was creepy him talking about that.
It's crazy!
Once you know that they definitely did experiments on people with LSD, they 100% did that.
So then you got to go, well, how many people and what was the extent of this stuff?
Like, when did they end this?
Like, how much did it affect of culture?
How much did it affect of people going fucking nuts and jumping off buildings?
Like, what exactly happened?
unidentified
Yeah.
kurt metzger
Did you ever see the thing about the gay bomb in the 90s?
Oh, that's right!
unidentified
That's right!
joe rogan
They were thinking of coming up with a bomb that they could drop on a city and make everybody gay.
kurt metzger
Yeah, it sounds so crazy, but it is a real thing.
Yeah, that's what it is.
joe rogan
In 1994, the U.S. military actually considered building a gay bomb.
kurt metzger
It was to debilitate.
joe rogan
This could be a great South Park movie.
kurt metzger
Well, I mean, you just told me in the beginning this about a guy that successfully sued because he became gay and gambly.
joe rogan
Yeah.
unidentified
So we know it's possible to do this.
joe rogan
Researchers at the Wright Laboratory in Ohio, a predecessor to today's United States Air Force Research Laboratory, began exploring some alternative options.
What existed, they asked.
They asked that would distract or delude a soldier long enough to mount an attack without causing the soldier any bodily harm.
The answer seemed obvious.
Sex.
But how could the Air Force make that work to their advantage?
In an act of brilliance or insanity, they came up with the perfect plan.
kurt metzger
Wait, is that really true?
All soldiers, one weakness is...
joe rogan
Oh my god.
kurt metzger
Oh, pheromones.
joe rogan
Okay, they put together a three-page proposal in which they detailed their $7.5 million invention, the gay bomb.
The gay bomb would be a cloud of gas that would discharge over enemy camps that contained a chemical that would cause enemy soldiers to become gay and to have their units break down because all their soldiers became irresistibly attractive to one another.
kurt metzger
Dude, that would be a great series, like somebody, you're a secret, and you get to use all the failed, like you have a gay ball.
You have access to all the kind of embarrassing things that they worked on.
joe rogan
But how funny is the way they look at gay people?
They think that if everybody just became gay, they would just totally be distracted about this whole war thing and just want to fuck.
kurt metzger
They didn't start with gay.
They go, what's the way to distract soldiers?
And they're like, sex.
So are you telling me all soldiers...
Could just be distracted by sex at any moment.
joe rogan
Even in the middle of a firefight.
kurt metzger
In the middle of a firefight.
Someone from an alleyway.
Is that how we launch Vietnam?
joe rogan
Among the more comical ideas was a bomb titled Who Me, which simulated flatulence among the ranks, hopefully distracting the soldiers with terrible smells long enough for the US to attack.
unidentified
Fart bomb!
joe rogan
The idea was scrapped almost immediately, however, after researchers pointed out that some people throughout the world don't find the smell of flat shells particularly offensive.
kurt metzger
That's racist.
joe rogan
That's hilarious.
Oh my god.
kurt metzger
So they didn't get to work making this.
They're just blue sky in this thing.
joe rogan
This is like a sketch show.
kurt metzger
What about a gay bomb?
jamie vernon
They wanted a bomb to make wasps sting people until they would stop.
unidentified
Wasps?
joe rogan
Wow.
jamie vernon
Make their skin suddenly.
joe rogan
Unbelievably sensitive to the sun.
kurt metzger
Dude, who was the guy that wrote for Hollywood Squares for Whoopi and he's like a real famous guy and he's got like big Sesame Street monster hair?
jamie vernon
Bruce Valanche?
kurt metzger
Yeah, did Bruce Valanche come up with their secret weapons?
joe rogan
Someone...
I've read something about wasps that inject their larvae into other creatures that create an alien sort of infestation thing.
There's more of them than there are every other kind of insect.
kurt metzger
Well, it is a great idea.
joe rogan
The female wasp injects the caterpillar with her eggs and a virus, which shuts down the caterpillar's ability to defend itself against these intruders.
The wasp larvae deposited into the caterpillar's body begin to grow beneath the surface, snacking on the caterpillar innards.
It's wild to watch.
kurt metzger
It comes with a virus.
joe rogan
There's a shit ton of different wasps that do this kind of thing.
kurt metzger
So the virus is so the body doesn't reject, like, the...
joe rogan
I guess.
They turn other ants into zombies, saving millions of humans along the way.
kurt metzger
Oh, I didn't know about that.
joe rogan
What?
Scroll back up to the top again.
jamie vernon
It's a trailer to aliens.
joe rogan
It turns other insects into zombies.
kurt metzger
But it says it saved our lives.
Is this like another PR from Big Wasp?
That's what I think everything is now.
joe rogan
But what this article was talking about, or was it a video?
It might have been a video I was watching, where they were talking about how the sheer number of different parasitic wasps is insane.
There's like a hundred different ones.
kurt metzger
Really?
joe rogan
That inject, yeah, there's some that do it into the wood.
Like there's larvae that go like into the crevices of wood.
So they have these long ass pointers that go down there and inject them inside the wood.
There's a wood wasp.
kurt metzger
Is this like what Harvey Weinstein did to that plant?
Was that part of nature and we put a stop to it?
joe rogan
Pull up the wood wasp.
Check this thing out.
kurt metzger
Cause didn't his penis fall off much like a wasp sting?
joe rogan
He's got like that crazy gangrene of the dick thing.
I thought he- It's like a diabetic sort of gangrene type thing.
kurt metzger
I didn't even know that was it.
Boy, if you wanted to scare people straight from diabetes, you should mention that your dick falling off.
joe rogan
So look at that thing it's got at the end of it.
kurt metzger
Yeah.
joe rogan
And it shoves that into like these cracks where these larvae are inside of these trees.
unidentified
Yeah, right.
joe rogan
And it injects them.
kurt metzger
It's Harvey, alright.
joe rogan
Make sure I'm not fucking that up.
jamie vernon
No, that's right.
It's called a hornetail or a wood wasp.
joe rogan
And does it say what they're injecting themselves into?
jamie vernon
Let's see.
joe rogan
So there's like a bunch of different wasps that do this type of shit.
jamie vernon
Yeah, drills her ovipositor.
joe rogan
Her dick.
kurt metzger
That's what the alien...
joe rogan
That's what I'm gonna call my dick from now on.
Ovipositor.
unidentified
I call it...
kurt metzger
That's what Zuckerberg calls his dick.
Ovipositor.
joe rogan
Ovipositor.
To the rescue.
Nearly three quarters of an inch into the...
Whoa, three quarters of an inch of a weakened or dying tree and lays one to seven of her eggs.
The same time she squirts in a fungus from her abdominal gland, she continues this process laying up to 200 eggs.
Okay, this is different.
So this is not...
This is her larva.
She's just shooting it into the wood and then putting this fungus on them.
This is not a softer wood.
kurt metzger
It's still a parasite, isn't it?
Even if it's against wood?
joe rogan
Yeah, but it's not what I'm thinking of.
I'm thinking of there's a bunch of different laws that inject their larva into other creatures and they paralyze the creature and then the body just swarms with these little larvae.
kurt metzger
Oh, you just reminded me of something.
joe rogan
It's a shitload of them like that.
jamie vernon
The caterpillar thing, it said it saved human lives because it helps with agriculture and growing stuff.
Stopping the caterpillars from eating animals.
joe rogan
How many lives?
Save four.
jamie vernon
It said 20 million.
joe rogan
20 million?
unidentified
Yeah.
joe rogan
Oh, because caterpillars eat that many crops?
jamie vernon
Yeah.
joe rogan
Actually makes sense.
jamie vernon
Right here.
I estimated 20 million lives.
joe rogan
Wow.
kurt metzger
Like I said, did a wasp write this?
joe rogan
This effort.
Oh, so what did they do?
They dropped them?
Look at this.
After rearing the wasp and gathering funding, Heron brought planes and coordinated strategic airdrops and ground release of wasp cocoons to areas affected by the mealybug.
For those locations, the wasp populations grew and spread on their own, reducing the mealybug population to manageable levels for years.
Wow, that's a fucking science experiment.
kurt metzger
When did this happen?
1995. I always hear about these things.
joe rogan
Before the internet.
They could just do shit with that.
kurt metzger
It always feels like the end of Watchmen where he's like, I already did the thing like two hours ago.
joe rogan
What happened to murder hornets when we're supposed to be scared of murder hornets?
kurt metzger
I never...
joe rogan
What is this one doing?
So here's another one.
jamie vernon
Sort of what you were saying.
kurt metzger
They've got the fattest ovipositors, those ones.
joe rogan
They just inject them with their stuff.
kurt metzger
Do you know what this is reminding me of that I want to bring up?
joe rogan
What?
Look at all those larvae popping out of its body.
unidentified
Ew!
joe rogan
Isn't that wild?
kurt metzger
Yeah.
joe rogan
Look at this!
It's just injecting its offspring into this thing's body.
kurt metzger
Who's the British guy that narrates this?
jamie vernon
David Attenborough.
kurt metzger
Yeah, with David Attenborough's sexy voice.
joe rogan
Let's hear his voice.
Go back to where it's like...
unidentified
...with paralyzing poison, but with eggs.
joe rogan
Yes.
What a perfect voice.
kurt metzger
So that must be the most horrifying part of being those caterpillars, is hearing David Attenborough just casually narrate your painful...
Your demise!
Thanks, dude!
Can you help?
unidentified
No?
Okay.
joe rogan
Attenborough was the first guy to get, um, to put on television, at least, footage of chimps eating monkeys.
Do you remember that?
kurt metzger
I never saw it, but I think it's amazing all the things about animals that have been covered up over the years.
More than any UFO would be covered up.
The hiding of things monkeys were into.
We can't let the public know.
Like, if you just think of, like, I remember people as I think of all the gay animals that you ever heard about, because when they first cataloged them, they didn't want to say, like, oh, don't mention that.
Or, like, dolphin thing.
joe rogan
Right.
There's got to be a percentage of monkeys that are gay, right?
I think all of the bonobo chimpanzees, they're all homosexual.
kurt metzger
I wouldn't even put it in gay terms.
They just see it, you know, every problem looks like a nail to a hammer.
They just look at it like that.
joe rogan
They just have orgies.
They're the weirdest chimp, right?
kurt metzger
Ew!
joe rogan
So this is a baboon eating a deer.
jamie vernon
Yeah.
I was trying to find the one where they caught a bird in their cage at the zoo.
joe rogan
Oh, Jesus Christ.
Is this a deer in the zoo or is this in the wild?
jamie vernon
No, this is Nature's Metal.
joe rogan
Oh, man.
Nature's Metal is a hardcore account.
And it's a lot of that.
Like, really, like, whoa.
There was these one hyenas that were, like, eating this antelope as it was standing there.
They're pulling just chunks out of its guts.
There's a giant hole missing.
They're just chewing its innards out.
It's just standing there, paralyzed in pain and fear.
kurt metzger
Yeah, I like the ones where like a dog and turtle are friends.
joe rogan
Those are cute.
Yeah, look at this one.
That's a wildebeest.
They're just eating it alive.
Just tearing it apart while it's alive.
It's just laying there and they're just eating its organs.
kurt metzger
Dude, I've never...
I could never watch this or Bros.
joe rogan
You're the reason why bros wasn't successful.
kurt metzger
Dude, Annie at Comedy Store was like, oh, she's told me I gotta see it, because I didn't know what it was.
So I'm like, I don't think she was breaking my balls.
If she was breaking, that was pretty funny of her.
I'm like, why would I? Do you know what it is?
I just know the tagline.
joe rogan
It's a gay romantic comedy.
kurt metzger
For straight men.
It's a gay romantic comedy for straight men.
joe rogan
That'd be a funny thing to say.
That's a good way to sell it.
kurt metzger
I've been bringing this up a lot.
I brought it up in the creek everywhere.
One, I'm straight, so I don't even want to see straight romance.
That's a little too gay for me.
And two, we already have a gay romantic comedy for straight men called Fight Club that we're all very happy with.
Because I know you had that guy on, right?
Chuck Planetchuk?
unidentified
Yeah, yeah.
joe rogan
I've had him on a couple times.
He's a fascinating dude.
Really interesting guy, man.
kurt metzger
Well, I mean, he made the successful, because that's what that is, that movie.
joe rogan
It's his writing, though.
You should read some of his stuff.
kurt metzger
He says the movie's better than the book himself, right?
Like, I thought.
joe rogan
Yeah, no, he loved the movie.
kurt metzger
The movie was good.
joe rogan
I really liked the movie.
It's not just Fight Club, I'm saying.
I'm saying some of his other stuff.
He wrote a series of horror stories, and one of them is about, I think it's a little girl who turns into a werewolf on a plane.
kurt metzger
Yeah.
joe rogan
And it's fucking wild.
kurt metzger
I remember a book came out of his that at the time It's like when I was getting out of- Make sure that's him who wrote that.
When I was getting out of Art Institute that people were like throwing up at the readings of some- Oh, yeah, yeah, yeah.
joe rogan
He's been asked to leave these writers groups because this stuff was too disturbing.
He talked about that you know he talked about like you you have to be free to make disturbing things otherwise like How do you know how do you know what you're doing?
How do you you got to be free to express yourself?
And some of it's not pretty and some of the stuff that's not pretty is fucking fascinating to people Especially sometimes you got a graphic describe someone's asshole being sucked at a jet engine I just gotta say it.
Listen, that is how it would go.
You have your asshole near the jet engine, it just pulls it right out of your body and wraps it up in a spiral.
kurt metzger
They should warn people about it.
joe rogan
Haunted, that's it.
So which one is it?
Which story is it?
There's one of the stories where there's a...
jamie vernon
There's a 13-year-old girl.
joe rogan
Yeah.
unidentified
Don't...
jamie vernon
There...
Nope.
joe rogan
No?
Can't find it?
Damn, there's a lot of stories in there.
I know.
jamie vernon
It's a lot of chapters.
Each chapter is a...
joe rogan
A short story?
jamie vernon
Oh, there it is.
Dissertation.
joe rogan
The Missing Link is a Chula Indian on a date with a graduate student who's doing her dissertation on Sasquatches and associated phenomena.
She believes that a recent plane crash was caused by a 13-year-old Chula Indian girl who transformed as if a werewolf aboard the plane and caused the crash.
She relates her theory to Missing Link who tells her the girl in question was his sister.
kurt metzger
Sasquatch.
You know, when you were telling me that cartel thing, do you think a bunch of these Sasquatch sightings, it was like a Scooby-Doo, they dressed as a Sasquatch to scare?
joe rogan
It's funny that you say that, because there's actually a documentary called Sasquatch, and it's about a Sasquatch killing these guys who are doing the exact same thing we're talking about.
Grow-ops.
kurt metzger
Oh, really?
joe rogan
Yeah, in the Humboldt area.
In the mountains up there.
kurt metzger
Yeah.
joe rogan
And they murdered these guys, these cartel guys, and blamed it on Sasquatch.
kurt metzger
Oh, yeah, because that...
joe rogan
Yeah.
It's a good fucking documentary.
It's like a series.
kurt metzger
Oh, I never heard of this.
joe rogan
Yeah, it's on Hulu.
It's a multi-piece series.
Is it on Netflix as well?
I don't know.
But it was really good.
And I had the guy in and talked to him.
Really fucking interesting dude.
What was his name again, Jamie?
But it was a movie about that, about how it became very violent when that whole area became known as growing weed.
kurt metzger
Yeah.
joe rogan
David Holthouse.
Very interesting guy.
I really enjoy the whole series.
Got a 93% on Rotten Tomatoes.
It's really interesting because it's like the whole thing changed from this like hippie thing to everyone's armed.
kurt metzger
Yeah, right.
joe rogan
And people are getting killed.
There's like drug wars going on.
kurt metzger
Yeah, right.
joe rogan
But you're already invested in the land.
This is your business.
You don't know how to let people take it from you.
And then everything escalates.
And then you have fucking shootouts up there.
kurt metzger
This sounds like how the Scooby Gang explains the fake Sasquatch.
They would have got away with it.
joe rogan
I think at one point in time there was a Sasquatch.
And I think it's proven.
There's a thing called Gigantopithecus.
And they think that at one point in time people probably lived alongside those things.
And that's probably this sort of myth that goes through all these different cultures.
I think at one point in time there probably was a thing like that.
kurt metzger
When they discovered hobbits.
Are you sure hobbits?
And I guess they were little three foot tall people?
joe rogan
Yeah, on the island of Flores.
Yeah, I talked to a gentleman this past weekend in Hawaii who was explaining to me how they had a similar thing in Hawaii.
It was like these two foot tall little hairy people.
If you think about that whole area...
Yeah, it's part of the myths and cultures.
Myths of their culture, rather.
And I don't want to say myths, I should say legend.
Because it probably was real.
At one point in time, somebody probably encountered this little thing that we know for sure existed alongside people.
And it existed on the island of Flores, and they think it existed in other places.
They call it the Orang Pendek.
There's like different names for it in different parts of the world.
But now that we know it was really a thing, All those stories about people seeing them back in the day were probably real.
kurt metzger
Do you think...
Because I thought the Flores ones, they hunted little elephants.
Something adorable.
I swear to God.
joe rogan
Well, there's a thing called island dwarfism.
kurt metzger
Yeah, island dwarfism.
joe rogan
Yeah, when you do have small elephants who live on an island.
kurt metzger
Yeah.
The team of them would take down a tiny elephant.
That's the sweetest.
joe rogan
Sweetest little murder.
kurt metzger
In fact, you know that wildebeest thing you showed me?
If they were little ones, that would be adorable.
joe rogan
Dude, you know how wild that would be to watch?
kurt metzger
Chibi animals going down.
joe rogan
Because if they were using tools and weapons, they were hunting things.
How wild that would be to watch them?
First of all, how fast do you think they were?
unidentified
Two foot tall people.
kurt metzger
Well, the thing is, it's just scaled down, so they don't have to be fast, they just have to have longer endurance, right?
joe rogan
Yeah, but they're living in the jungle.
Dude, they gotta be fast.
kurt metzger
Yeah.
Well, I'm sure it's sped up.
Comically is how I imagine.
Like a monkey!
I imagine Benny Hill music in the background.
joe rogan
I wonder what a human...
If you went back to the original human, the earliest version of the anatomically current human being, whatever that was, 500, 700,000 years ago, whatever it was, I would love to see what that dude looked like when he walked around.
What was that like?
What did they do?
What was a day in the life of one of them?
Imagine following one of those guys.
Imagine being in a time machine where you could just exist in a bubble that no one could see and you could follow around some dude living...
kurt metzger
900,000 years ago how fucking wild would that be just to imagine that this guy just figuring out you could bang rocks into the shape of a tool that this guy is one day gonna pilot in the airplane that this guy is I'll bet it it's a lot like you ever watch like Alaska wilderness people and you know if it's not a reality show they're clipping it together it's probably real dull you ever see reality shows made it's just hours of so you'd spend hours watching everything but you'd want someone to aggregate the interesting parts to you Look
joe rogan
at this.
Peter claims these ancient ancestors of ours could theoretically reach sprinting speeds of up to 20 miles an hour.
kurt metzger
Wow, that seems fast.
joe rogan
It's not known what speeds the likes of Usain Boltz, Johann Blake, or Tyson Gray could reach if they were being chased in fear of their lives.
Good point.
kurt metzger
How fast can they run, by the way, Usain Bolt?
jamie vernon
About 23 is what this says.
So I suggest a group of Europeans are capable of running up to 23. This guy found some footprints in Australia and used those as...
kurt metzger
Didn't they find some footprints that they just discovered, like, way older than they thought in Spain?
joe rogan
I think they found some in America.
They found some footprints in it.
Yeah, they definitely found some in Spain, but they found some in America that takes our idea of when human beings were here way, way, way back.
kurt metzger
Yeah, right.
joe rogan
Like, way further than they thought it was.
Like, way earlier than 11,000 years ago.
kurt metzger
Well, just the whole idea that was...
Here it is.
joe rogan
Yeah, it's not as old as they thought.
It's thousands of years later, but it's still really fucking old.
So what does it say there?
What does the top say?
It says the discovery of the oldest human footprints in North America.
Thrilled researchers.
It turns out they may not be so old.
So what did they think they were and what are they?
Okay, so the results implied the footprints that were left behind between 22,800 years ago and 21,130 years ago.
Previously, the earliest known humans, beings in North America, were dated between 14,000 and 16,000 years.
If true, the conclusion could upend all manner of assumptions in the field.
The team published its findings in science last year.
This is a bombshell.
Ruth Groon, An academic archaeologist not involved in the study observed.
It's very hard to disprove.
And so then what happened that went bad?
What's the difference?
Okay, radiocarbon dating on...
Go back up a little bit.
Radiocarbon dating on ancient grass seeds found in the footprints determined they were made between 23,000 years ago.
So what's incorrect about it?
It's still really fucking old.
What's it saying there?
unidentified
I don't know what they're saying.
joe rogan
Because it doesn't seem like they're saying why they think it's not as old.
jamie vernon
It just said I moved it by a thousand years.
joe rogan
Oh!
So it went from 23,000 to 22,000?
jamie vernon
I guess.
joe rogan
Still old as fuck.
It's like a lot older than they used to think it was.
Okay, so it was 22,000 to 21,000.
Okay, so they pushed it back a thousand years.
kurt metzger
A lot of stuff's based on dates that are, like, way older.
You ever see the, you know, when they get it right with, like, a dinosaur skeleton?
I mean, as far as you know, how, like, off it is.
Somebody did a cool thing where they showed if, like, you found horse bones, like, what the way we draw the dinosaurs, what it would look like.
It looks crazy because it's always too tight on the skeleton.
You know, there's not enough, like, meat built on it in most of the conceptions.
joe rogan
Right.
We have no idea.
Imagine what a T-Rex actually looks like.
kurt metzger
I like to look for the updates of what they...
They had a good dinosaur show I liked at the time on Discovery or something, but even those are all like...
joe rogan
Well, they don't have feathers either.
They think a lot of them had feathers now.
kurt metzger
But not T-Rex is the last I heard on...
joe rogan
Really?
kurt metzger
That's the last thing that I heard looking it up.
joe rogan
They don't think he had feathers?
kurt metzger
No, and it's because there's a patch of the skin pressed up on something where you can see it's not...
joe rogan
Oh.
jamie vernon
Is that it?
I just was looking up some article.
This is kind of recent.
kurt metzger
Oh, maybe that's what it is.
jamie vernon
I don't know if this was a T-Rex they found specifically.
joe rogan
So it's hard to imagine this animal died 76 million years ago.
It's been perfectly preserved since then and just happened to be starting to erode out of this cliff when we were walking by.
Wow.
That's fucking nuts.
kurt metzger
Because you've really only seen a fraction of all the stuff that there was, right?
Because fossils are kind of rare.
joe rogan
Look at that.
So these guys are seeing this stuff erode, and then they find it there.
How much more of that is there?
That's what's nuts.
What percentage of the fossil record Is really accurate in terms of how many species are out there that haven't been discovered?
kurt metzger
It's like a fraction of what it is.
joe rogan
I wonder what other dinosaurs existed that they haven't found a body yet.
kurt metzger
Because only animals that have bones like that that can be preserved are going to be preserved.
joe rogan
And they have to be caught up in a landslide or some shit, right?
kurt metzger
Yeah, it's real specific.
Because you always say it's a rare process, fossilization, but...
Do you read these stories when they first found them?
And they have dinosaur bone wars and they're just like blowing them up in war.
joe rogan
Well, you know, these were faking it too.
Guys were faking dinosaurs.
Yeah, there were some people that faked dinosaurs back in the day.
kurt metzger
Yeah, how they put them together wrong and all kinds of hilarious things.
There's a whole thing about the first two guys that found dinosaur bones and figured out.
joe rogan
Can you imagine being the first guy to find something that indicates there was giant lizards roaming the earth?
kurt metzger
What is this?
jamie vernon
They found a T-Rex and a Triceratops locked in a battle.
unidentified
Wow!
joe rogan
So they're probably fighting to the death and got caught up in a landslide.
jamie vernon
It weighs 14 tons.
joe rogan
Holy shit!
kurt metzger
You gotta be trained too, because that just looks like someone stepped on a bug to me.
I'm like, wow, you guys.
joe rogan
Look at the ribs, man.
Look at that.
That's fucking wild.
kurt metzger
It also shows you how not Indiana Jones archaeology is.
It's just you gently brushing some dust to get not...
joe rogan
Very slowly in that case.
kurt metzger
Yeah.
joe rogan
To try to find these ancient dead creatures.
kurt metzger
Like a bullwhip never comes into it.
joe rogan
No need for a satchel.
kurt metzger
Well, slow down.
joe rogan
Yeah, he's got an IWC pilot's watch on.
Yeah, that whole way of discovering things that used to exist is so crazy if you think about it that way that it has to die in a very specific way to make a fossil.
kurt metzger
There's that one dinosaur that they had in one of the Jurassic Park movies that fights a T-Rex and they just figured out totally...
joe rogan
They just made one up, right?
kurt metzger
That giant thing?
Yeah.
jamie vernon
The raptor's a little made up.
kurt metzger
Well, the raptor, but...
joe rogan
Raptors are kind of little.
kurt metzger
There's another one.
jamie vernon
The way that they did in the movie, yeah.
They kind of...
kurt metzger
There's another one to fight with the T-Rex dinosaur.
I'm forgetting what his name is.
They just discovered it probably was aquatic and not how they have it in the movie.
It was right after that.
One of the skeletons got blown up in World War II. That was the really good skeleton.
I don't know if they found another one or something, but that's why they didn't know because it got blown up in the war.
joe rogan
Oh, really?
kurt metzger
Yeah.
joe rogan
There was a house that was for sale in Malibu, no, not in Malibu, in Beverly Hills, this crazy fucking house.
And it had a raptor skeleton included in the purchase.
kurt metzger
Was that that debacle, $300 million one?
joe rogan
No, no, no, it wasn't that crazy.
It was crazy, though, but it was like $30 million crazy.
But one of the million in the $30 million was a dinosaur.
They had a fucking raptor.
You know how dope that would be?
Come over my house.
Oh, yeah, here's a dinosaur.
kurt metzger
I mean, it's cool.
joe rogan
Look at that thing.
kurt metzger
I'll tell you what, it's more respectable than a $50,000 blunt.
joe rogan
Yeah, that's a little ridiculous.
But I think that's a million dollars.
kurt metzger
Remember Chappelle's show where he had cribs where he has tyrannosaur eggs?
He sprinkles diamonds in it because he makes his dookie twinkle.
unidentified
He was big.
kurt metzger
Oh, it smells wild.
unidentified
Oh, my God.
joe rogan
Should you be allowed to ode a dinosaur?
Can you sell a dinosaur?
How much would it cost to buy a dinosaur?
kurt metzger
Why not?
jamie vernon
They found some bones, a giant, in a guy's backyard.
Should you be able to keep that?
joe rogan
That's a good question.
Is that yours?
kurt metzger
I don't know if you know, but you could still buy and sell people.
Why the hell not?
joe rogan
Go to YouTube and look what's going on in Libya.
kurt metzger
That's what that was on.
You're welcome, Libya, by the way.
joe rogan
We came?
We saw?
kurt metzger
He asked her about that, by the way, in the Jon Stewart thing.
joe rogan
Really?
kurt metzger
With Libya.
It's unreal what they're saying.
Like, oh, do you just let them kill their own people?
They had this highest standard of living in Africa before we helped out.
joe rogan
Now it's a failed state.
kurt metzger
Yeah, now they have slave markets.
That's what our...
joe rogan
Open slave markets that you could watch on YouTube.
kurt metzger
There's no infrastructure.
That's the problem.
joe rogan
Yeah.
kurt metzger
But there was an infrastructure.
They destroyed it.
joe rogan
But when you have brutal war after brutal war, you have areas of this world where they've been under the control of dictators, and then you just get rid of that dictator.
You have all these people that have been living in this brutal scenario.
With these totalitarian governments and executions and military, and then another powerhouse just comes in and takes over.
kurt metzger
It's like prison gangs taking over.
But his thing was, I remember, this is the thing I remember, there was a moment during the war on terror that I remember they were kind of rehabbing his image, because he would go on the news and he was saying, like, we need to stop this Islamic terror.
He was saying that, and he came to America in his big tent.
Everybody talked about it.
And he had his, like, those Ukrainian or whatever all-female guard.
Remember all this stuff about him when he came in?
He was going to go off the Pedro dollar, which I never even heard of until a couple years ago.
And that's when he had to go.
Because they had built him up like, hey, you know, he's like an elder statesman who's learned.
And next thing you know, it's a bayonet rape.
joe rogan
Dude, the way they killed him.
When you see that video, the sheer animalistic terror in his eyes.
It's like a scene in a movie.
It's so stunning to see a guy who is a dictator getting captured by rebels and murdered right in front of you.
When they shove that bayonet up his ass and he doesn't even blink.
kurt metzger
I mean, he was probably in shock.
joe rogan
He was 100% in shock, but the fact that guy just shoves it up his ass and he's just sitting there.
kurt metzger
He's thinking, I should have stayed on that petrodollar.
joe rogan
Oh, yeah.
That's the first thing he was thinking.
I take it back.
kurt metzger
Remember the story?
Because I remember I saw a movie, a documentary called The Mad Dog Killer.
And I remember seeing one about Saddam Hussein when I was younger that, not that I was a fan of Saddam Hussein, but it was like, there's one part where they're talking about his kids, you know?
joe rogan
Murderous sons.
kurt metzger
Even his daughter once said to a classmate, I want to tear the teacher's vagina out.
And then they show his daughter.
She's like, I don't know, nine in this thing.
She's dancing and they put it in slow-mo.
She's like like, is this a smear job?
As a guy who's not into Saddam Hussein, it seemed a little bit much.
joe rogan
But also probably accurate.
You know what the sons did, right?
kurt metzger
The sons were serial killers.
That devil's double thing, that guy might be completely full of shit and I think probably is.
joe rogan
What is that?
kurt metzger
The whole story about he had to get surgery to look like Uday.
joe rogan
Oh, I did hear about that.
But I'm not talking about that.
I'm talking about what they used to do.
What Uday and his brother Kuse used to do.
They used to kidnap women on their wedding day and feed them to their dogs.
They'd rape them and feed them to their dogs.
kurt metzger
They did horrific shit.
I have no...
Here's why it's easy, like...
Especially when it's time, you know, also, Saddam was given the key to the city of Dearborn, Michigan when I was young, back when we liked him, when he fought Iran.
So, I bet they did all kinds of crazy stuff and we liked him, and all of a sudden, now that we don't like you, now it's a problem that you do this.
Because there is no, I mean...
joe rogan
That's what's scary, dude, is that how much of the world is under the thumb of a dictator like that?
kurt metzger
Most of it, as long as you do business with us how we want you to, you're good, man.
That's all you got to do.
And then that's like Gaddafi.
That's when it becomes a problem.
I think that was for France, actually.
Because some rebels had promised.
A bunch of his money all went to France.
joe rogan
Jesus Christ.
kurt metzger
In Haiti now, we killed their president.
That was news briefly.
joe rogan
Who killed their president?
kurt metzger
I think we did.
joe rogan
Unsubstantiated allegations on this nationally syndicated program?
kurt metzger
Well, I saw it on Breaking Points initially.
joe rogan
What did they say?
kurt metzger
They said something funny was going on and then never talked about it again.
joe rogan
But did they say that we actually executed them?
kurt metzger
The guy when they...
joe rogan
What happened?
I'm ignorant to the story.
You're acting as if this is something that everybody knows about.
You don't know about it, do you?
No?
kurt metzger
Oh, dude.
So...
joe rogan
So what happened?
kurt metzger
So one of the guys that got caught, you know, they caught the shooters.
unidentified
Okay.
joe rogan
Haiti president's assassination.
kurt metzger
Okay, here we go.
joe rogan
What we know so far.
jamie vernon
I wasn't cutting into just showing you the stuff.
joe rogan
So when was he assassinated?
jamie vernon
January of this year.
joe rogan
Okay.
kurt metzger
The mercenary?
joe rogan
His death in his private residence in the capital, Port-au-Prince.
Oh, last year.
Plunge the country already suffered.
Where does it say?
How was he killed?
He was shot dead inside his home in the Perlin 5 neighborhood in the hills above Port-au-Prince at 0100 local time on 7 July 2021, according to police.
The president was shot 12 times.
He had bullet wounds to his forehead and several to his torso.
His left eye had been gouged out, and bones in his arm and his ankle had been broken.
According to one of the judges conducting the investigation, he died at the scene.
It was found laying on the floor on his back.
His shirt soaked in blood.
The First Lady, Martine Moise, was also shot but survived.
kurt metzger
Wait, where's the guy?
But the thing is, the mercenaries?
The guy is recorded saying, like...
That's the thing to find.
That's what I first saw was that recording, which I saw on Breaking Points.
Now...
joe rogan
What recording?
kurt metzger
One of the killers was speaking in English and saying, like, I don't even want to quote it.
You could probably find it.
joe rogan
Well, we'll find it.
Let's find it.
That's crazy.
kurt metzger
So that's when I first heard about it.
So I didn't know Haiti.
Did you know this?
They're like the only successful...
joe rogan
Colombian mercenaries who hired Hades Moise, hired by a U.S. firm.
Holy shit.
kurt metzger
Oh, right.
They said they were hired.
Yeah, right.
Holy shit.
According to leaked audio, yeah.
joe rogan
Dimitri Herard, head of the Haiti Presidential Palace Security Union, visited Colombia six times this year from January to May, and his security firm has been linked to CTU Security, the Miami-based security firm that recruited the mercenaries.
unidentified
Jesus Christ.
joe rogan
So are people in jail for this?
Like, what has happened?
kurt metzger
I never heard any more reporting on it for a good long while until the reporting that we just sent a bunch of like heavy-duty equipment to quell The protests I guess they're rioters and bad But that's the story but that's I heard that and then nothing about it So a US firm hired the hit people is that's what they're alleging.
unidentified
Yeah, is that for sure fact?
kurt metzger
That's what they're alleging.
I mean...
joe rogan
Jesus Christ.
kurt metzger
I'm sure you can't say it definitively.
I'll say it sounds plausible.
joe rogan
What firm?
Whatever, whatever.
kurt metzger
We outsource.
Everything's outsourcing.
You get a firm to do a thing, and it's all...
That's what everybody does.
Never mind just, like, that kind of shit.
Just killing people.
joe rogan
Everything.
What was the Haiti president opposed to?
kurt metzger
Well, I don't know what this initial one, but basically a lot of cheap labor comes out of there.
So a while back, when Hillary was in, they quelled a thing because they wanted, like, their pay is like, sub what our prisoners make.
joe rogan
Here it says, Haitian cops parade two U.S. mercenaries arrested over Jovenel Moisset assassination.
Jovenel, how do you say his name?
Jovenel Moisset.
kurt metzger
Jovenel, yeah, I don't know.
I don't know why I'm acting like I know how to say that.
Jovenel.
joe rogan
They had two U.S. mercenaries.
kurt metzger
But you know Haiti's story, right?
They had to pay.
They were the only successful slave revolt, I think, in history.
And they had to pay reparations for rebelling against it.
They had to pay for reparations in France until the 80s.
unidentified
What?
kurt metzger
Yeah.
joe rogan
Really?
kurt metzger
Yeah.
joe rogan
For rebelling?
kurt metzger
Yeah.
They caused them their slaves.
Yeah.
joe rogan
No way.
kurt metzger
Look it up if you don't believe me.
joe rogan
How do you sleep at night?
kurt metzger
I smoke a lot of weed.
joe rogan
But that's the problem, isn't it?
Makes you want to dig into this stuff more.
kurt metzger
No, I would say don't dig into any of it is my advice.
joe rogan
When France extorted Haiti after enduring decades of exploitation at the hands of the French, Haiti somehow ended up paying reparations to the tune of nearly 30 billion in today's money.
kurt metzger
You would think that would be a bigger thing.
unidentified
Whoa!
kurt metzger
But there's a lot of interest.
There's a lot of, I'm sure, bipartisan interest in keeping it how it is.
joe rogan
Holy shit, dude.
kurt metzger
Remember all those Haitian immigrants are coming in they were saying they were whipping them, but it was like the reins on the guy's horse Yeah, that was people at the border.
joe rogan
They just had a photo that made it look like maybe he had swung that at somebody, but it was really just the rain on the horse.
kurt metzger
Everything's so goddamn dishonest and also...
joe rogan
They just want to sell links, right?
They just want to sell clicks.
kurt metzger
But not like the fact that Haiti paid reparations for not being slaves.
Okay, that's like a wild fact that...
joe rogan
I didn't know until five minutes ago.
kurt metzger
Yeah, so instead of making up a whipping thing with a picture, why wouldn't you be talking about real things?
Do you know what I mean?
joe rogan
Well...
kurt metzger
Because you don't give a shit.
That's my guess.
joe rogan
I think you might be onto something.
kurt metzger
Yeah, it's crazy.
joe rogan
Yeah.
Dude, we're like four hours in.
kurt metzger
Oh, shit, we are.
joe rogan
We've been rambling, son.
kurt metzger
Yeah.
joe rogan
It's good to see you, man.
It's been a lot of fun.
kurt metzger
Yeah, you too, man.
joe rogan
We've got to do this more often.
kurt metzger
It's a real rabbit hole.
It's because I've got to work on Jimmy's goddamn show.
unidentified
Yeah.
kurt metzger
And vaguely be aware of...
joe rogan
Talk Jimmy into moving here.
Tell him to get out while he can.
kurt metzger
I don't know.
I have no idea what...
I'll ask him.
He said what's up, by the way.
joe rogan
Tell myself what's up, too.
All right, brother.
Always good catching up with you.
kurt metzger
I forgot.
I'm going to be at Uncle Vinny's on...
joe rogan
In Point Pleasant?
kurt metzger
Yeah, to the 30th, to the 3rd.
joe rogan
Nice.
kurt metzger
And also, me and Kyle are making new fresh prezes.
We're going to make 12 prezes.
joe rogan
Oh.
kurt metzger
We have a contract, so there's new French presence coming out.
joe rogan
We didn't even talk about those.
The Dunnigan stuff, the two of you together are the best combination ever.
Those fucking things are so funny, man.
They're so out there, too.
kurt metzger
We got, uh, yeah, we have, do you see we got Seinfeld to do the last one?
joe rogan
No.
kurt metzger
Yeah, Seinfeld did it.
He played Sylvester, Skilvestre, Scalone, Skilebredy, Squid Game to feed a hungry kid.
He had to finish Seinfeld on it.
He was great.
He was like a great sport.
unidentified
Oh, wow.
joe rogan
That's awesome.
unidentified
Very happy to be on the show.
Thank you kindly, sir.
The man who saved NBC. They could use you right now, believe me.
Alright, now since you're a celebrity, you'll be playing for charity.
And your charity's name is Josiah.
How you doing, kid?
For lunch, I drank a puddle.
kurt metzger
So they have to get it right.
Yeah, it's a squid game.
joe rogan
Oh, Jesus Christ.
kurt metzger
So he has to finish his own lines.
He won the...
It was a Thanksgiving meal for Lil' Josiah.
unidentified
And then...
kurt metzger
Well, watch it.
It was actually a good...
The game came out really well.
We did it with Ryan Flippy, too, one time.
joe rogan
I'll check it out.
It's at Kyle Dunnigan's YouTube page.
Not nearly enough subscriptions on that.
Or the Instagram one.
You guys are hilarious.
All right, brother.
Well, thank you.
Yeah, man.
Tonight, you're doing Kill Tony.
That should be fun.
kurt metzger
Oh, yeah.
I forgot.
joe rogan
All right.
kurt metzger
I got spaced out on this one.
joe rogan
Yeah.
Well, we got a couple hours.
It's only...
We got time.
All right.
Goodbye, everybody.
Oh, give everybody your social media.
kurt metzger
Oh, KurtMaskerComedy on Instagram and KurtMaskerComedy.com and then KurtMasker on Twitter is just my name.
joe rogan
And regularly on the Jimmy Dore Show.
kurt metzger
Jimmy Dore Show, Kyle Dunnigan Show.
joe rogan
And both of us.
All right.
Export Selection