Nov. 15, 2022 - The Joe Rogan Experience
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| that's not that's not physical it's like can you handle being in a incredibly abstract place and your brain doing shit it's never done before Yeah, that seems to be what happens if people can't handle it, is just the resistance of it. | ||
| Just like, no, no, no, and then that's the bad trip. | ||
| Yeah, they say, like, surrender, and I've had... | ||
| I've had, you know, journeys. | ||
| Joe, when you're in the medicine game, as long as I've been in it, you call it medicine. | ||
| Plant medicine. | ||
| Doesn't immediately red flags go up? | ||
| I want to punch myself in the face. | ||
| Oh my god, don't say plant medicine. | ||
| Can't not say it. | ||
| I'm wearing a fucking ayahuasca anklet as we speak, and I want to... | ||
| And I want to punch myself in the other side of the face. | ||
| There's so much jargon and lingo that goes with, like, psychedelic talk that leads to, like, cults. | ||
| Yeah! | ||
| It's not different at all. | ||
| Did you watch the Orgasm, Inc. | ||
| documentary on Netflix yet? | ||
| No! | ||
| It's about that one-touch... | ||
| It's really funny. | ||
| I heard it's great. | ||
| It's great. | ||
| It's just, it all, the same shit happens, it doesn't matter where. | ||
| I did a joke one time that every cult, at some point, the leader of every religious cult says, hey, God spoke to me and he says, I gotta fuck all your wives. | ||
| Without fail. | ||
| Every single, across the board. | ||
| All of them. | ||
| Yep, sorry guys. | ||
| I got that call. | ||
| Yeah, send your wife in. | ||
| I'm gonna fuck her now. | ||
| God decided, now's the time. | ||
| This one was different because it's a female leader. | ||
| And it was based on orgasms, but this one was like, you gotta fuck him if you're having a hard time. | ||
| It was like the opposite of HR, where it was, you know, if you have a problem with him, you gotta fuck him. | ||
| There's a place here that was a cult. | ||
| And the building was for sale. | ||
| I almost bought the building. | ||
| I was like in negotiation. | ||
| Oh, that's where you were gonna have the club, right? | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| The documentary's called Holy Hell. | ||
| I still haven't watched it. | ||
| It's on my list. | ||
| It started out in Los Angeles, and this guy was, he would get his male disciples, and he would give them therapy, make them pay for therapy. | ||
| It's like 50 bucks, and then he would fuck them. | ||
| Another Hallmark, yeah. | ||
| So it's like pyramid scheme. | ||
| Yep, I gotta, hey, bad news, I gotta fuck you. | ||
| That's part of the deal. | ||
| I don't know what to say. | ||
| You want to be in it? | ||
| Real therapy. | ||
| Part of the group or not? | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| But it's just so sad, like, listening to these guys tell the story. | ||
| It's like, there's some weird thing about human beings where they... | ||
| They gravitate towards a big leader, towards someone who claims they have the answers and seems very confident and can speak reasonably well. | ||
| There's almost like a cheat code where people just like, they get locked into that. | ||
| It feels like order. | ||
| It just feels like order. | ||
| If you go, if somebody says, I know, and they're tall, first of all, if they're tall, that gets you like 60% of the way there. | ||
| That helps. | ||
| If they're tall and says, I know what we should do. | ||
| Charismatic, good looking, fit, attractive to women. | ||
| It just makes you feel like a daddy's here. | ||
| Some daddy's here. | ||
| A different daddy. | ||
| It's like, oh, alright, that's what people like about Trump. | ||
| That's what people like about Obama. | ||
| Most presidents are some form of that. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| Reagan. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| Certainly two termers. | ||
| George W. Bush in a weird way. | ||
| You know what I mean? | ||
| George W. Bush, guy walked like he had a fucking two foot cock. | ||
| Guy walked like he had to leave room for two dicks. | ||
| That's how wide his gait was. | ||
| And he said he used to practice it. | ||
| He practiced his skate? | ||
| George W. Bush used to practice his skate. | ||
| Really? | ||
| You look it up, yeah. | ||
| He'd be talking about it in interviews. | ||
| Can you imagine walking around your house practicing your impressive walk? | ||
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Yeah. | |
| Well, can you imagine anyone more than him doing it? | ||
| It's like the exact guy that would do that. | ||
| Like, I'm gonna practice walk. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| Bush's renewed confidence. | ||
| This is 2005. Some folks look at me and see a certain swagger, which in Texas is called walking. | ||
| That's how President Bush described himself during his acceptance speech at last year's Republican National Convention in New York City. | ||
| But for much of this year, the president seemed to have lost the... | ||
| I've seen other interviews where he talked about... | ||
| Talked about actually practicing his walk. | ||
| Well, they're originally from Maine. | ||
| You know, they're like kind of fake Texans. | ||
| Come on, Joe. | ||
| Yeah, they're from Kent Bunkport. | ||
| No, I know. | ||
| They're like, they couldn't be more blue blood. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| George Bush Sr. was head of the CIA. Yeah. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| Which is weird now. | ||
| I wonder if that would help him now, politically. | ||
| I was the head of the CIA. Didn't hurt him then. | ||
| Didn't hurt him, but only one term. | ||
| Yeah, but that was because of, what's his face? | ||
| Perot, yeah. | ||
| Yeah, Ross Perot. | ||
| I'll tell you what's going on. | ||
| That guy, he fucking threw the whole thing. | ||
| Out the window. | ||
| When he bought television time, like primetime television time, he was like, I'll just buy it at home an hour and gave the networks money so that he could run his speech and talk about how you're getting fucked by the IRS. People at home were like, what the fuck? | ||
| It literally was like one of the very first internet speeches. | ||
| Absolutely. | ||
| He made himself go viral and he appealed to people that were not There's like a whole part of the country that's not spoken to by, I mean, mass media. | ||
| You can call it liberal media. | ||
| I don't even think, I think there's like a level that they just, people just don't want to talk to them. | ||
| It's like people that aren't especially rich or sophisticated or any of the stuff that people think is great and they want to, that advertisers want to appeal to. | ||
| They just, and then Ross Prove's like, look here! | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| And it's like a beacon for people. | ||
| It's like a siren. | ||
| People are like, what? | ||
| What's that? | ||
| This guy. | ||
| And that, by the way, a billionaire. | ||
| And it's not about... | ||
| People think it's about... | ||
| He didn't seem like a billionaire. | ||
| That's Trump's appeal, too. | ||
| He doesn't seem like a rich guy. | ||
| Seems like a regular guy. | ||
| That's funny. | ||
| Dr. Oz lost. | ||
| How? | ||
| Because he seemed like a liberal. | ||
| Fetterman seemed like a conservative. | ||
| Because I think so much of it is just looks. | ||
| You can speak to this yourself. | ||
| People are against you because you're fit. | ||
| There are people that are like fucking meathead. | ||
| I'm like, he's not a meathead. | ||
| Fucking yeah, he is. | ||
| It's because you look, you just are, people wouldn't believe that you and I are friends. | ||
| Do you know what I mean? | ||
| It's like when a turtle hangs out with a fucking python. | ||
| The turtles are riding the top of a python. | ||
| People go like, how are they? | ||
| It's like we're unexpected animal friends. | ||
| So I just think it's so much of it is looks. | ||
| So much. | ||
| A lot of it is, right? | ||
| Way more than people would admit. | ||
| Anybody that saw the Fetterman debate would go, oh, this guy needs help. | ||
| Couldn't watch. | ||
| I literally couldn't watch it. | ||
| I knew, like, that's going to... | ||
| It feels cruel or something. | ||
| Yeah, it is cruel. | ||
| It's cruel to put a guy in a position like that who's recovering from a stroke. | ||
| You're not supposed to be into that kind of stress. | ||
| Want coffee? | ||
| Drink coffee? | ||
| I do. | ||
| I need too much shit. | ||
| You put a lot of stuff in it? | ||
| I put all kinds of garbage. | ||
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I got the app. | |
| The app. | ||
| Menti soy misto. | ||
| I love an app. | ||
| Yeah, I get there, pick it up. | ||
| By the way, if you were homeless, would you ever, wouldn't you just go grab food off the shelf at any of these Chipotle? | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| Immediately? | ||
| I would just go right to Starbucks. | ||
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Yep. | |
| You're allowed to go in there. | ||
| Yep. | ||
| And they go, who's you? | ||
| For Josh. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| There's probably a Josh on the shelf. | ||
| Just walk in, grab it, walk out. | ||
| Grab it, go over to Spotlight, get your lunch. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| Go to the park. | ||
| I mean, it must happen constantly. | ||
| But they're shutting Starbucks left and right because they're just inundated with homeless people. | ||
| Uh-huh. | ||
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Yeah. | |
| It's like when they kicked those black guys out in Philadelphia, you remember? | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| And then they decided not kicking anybody out of Starbucks ever. | ||
| Even if you're not a paid customer, it's okay. | ||
| And then the homeless people went, great! | ||
| Yep. | ||
| Say no more. | ||
| We'll be right there. | ||
| Isn't it wild, that one decision? | ||
| How much did that one decision that that one manager make cost Starbucks by changing their policy and allowing homeless people to just linger around and smell like shit? | ||
| Did they officially change their policy? | ||
| Yeah, they officially changed it. | ||
| Yeah, that's what they call an overcorrection. | ||
| A giant one, yeah. | ||
| I read a thing last night that there's, it's like similar but different, where there's so many people quit working at hospitals that there's now incredibly long waits at hospitals, like now, and COVID's like low. | ||
| Well, they fired so many of them because they wouldn't get vaccinated. | ||
| The thing I read said that 300,000 people quit in 2020 and 2021. Well, I'm sure there's that, too. | ||
| I'm sure there's quitting, too. | ||
| But a lot of them just, they had the option, get vaccinated or lose your job. | ||
| And they were like, we went through this when there was no vaccine. | ||
| We all got COVID, you fucks. | ||
| We risked our lives. | ||
| We're in here every day. | ||
| And now you're going to make us get vaccinated when there's no science behind it? | ||
| We literally have antibodies that are seven times better than what you get from the vaccine. | ||
| And you're making people get vaccinated. | ||
| Just for what? | ||
| For a virtue signal? | ||
| So you can tell everybody that everyone's vaccinated? | ||
| Like, there's zero science behind that. | ||
| And they all, like, these were our heroes. | ||
| They were on the front lines, and then they fired them. | ||
| If you were the king of the earth, or let's say king of America, Which some would say you are. | ||
| If you're the king of America, how would you have handled COVID from February 2020? | ||
| Like, what would you have done? | ||
| Because I feel like we all have, like, I don't like that, I don't like that, I don't like that. | ||
| I don't know what the better solution would have been. | ||
| Especially when you consider stuff like hospitals and quitting and deaths and triage, like, wherein at one point Wuhan was gonna, they built that hospital in a week, which America just can't do, shit like that. | ||
| To me it was always a hospital bed issue. | ||
| Well, in some ways. | ||
| The problem, it's a health issue, right? | ||
| And you're dealing with vast swaths of the population that have very fragile bodies. | ||
| Very fragile health. | ||
| People that are in bad health. | ||
| Naturally in bad health. | ||
| That's a lot of people. | ||
| I would say, what is it, 45% of Americans are obese? | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| Something like that. | ||
| Somewhere in the neighborhood. | ||
| And, you know, and that's just obesity. | ||
| Then you have these people that maybe they're not obese, but they have terrible blood pressure and they eat terrible food, their immune system's shot, you know. | ||
| Diabetes, yep. | ||
| There's a lot of fucked up people in this country. | ||
| And that was what was exposed by COVID. No matter what anybody did, it was going to be bad for those people. | ||
| There is no ifs, ands, or buts about it. | ||
| No matter what anybody did, that disease was going to wreck people with damaged immune systems. | ||
| And especially overweight people. | ||
| A plurality of people. | ||
| Almost half. | ||
| To say nothing of just old people. | ||
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Right. | |
| I would argue there's more, let's go 60-40, unhealthy to healthy in America. | ||
| You could almost go 70-30. | ||
| Yeah, I think you could go... | ||
| I mean, you could go 80, 20, you know what I mean, depending on your definition. | ||
| You want to get really crazy. | ||
| Fit, then you're down to like 5%. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| Yeah, which is nuts. | ||
| Like, it's not that hard to work out. | ||
| But the thing about COVID in that regard is that there's really no solution that made any sense. | ||
| When there was no vaccine and the medications were confusing, it was hard to know what was real and what wasn't, hydroxychloroquine and ivermectin, and what about monoclonal antibodies and all these different things. | ||
| And it was always never clear what did what. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| It's very dangerous whenever you have a new disease because you do have people trying these off-label medications, and some of them work and some of them don't, and then you have a lot of pressure from the companies that are producing vaccines because they want a binary solution because that's where all the cash is. | ||
| And then you have the emergency use exemption, which the only way you get that emergency use exemption is if there is no treatment that's available that works. | ||
| So if you are the person that's in charge and you stand to make untold billions of dollars from the vaccine, which they did, they suppress any information. | ||
| I don't disagree with that. | ||
| I'm wondering, with that playing field, what does the king do? | ||
| You definitely don't shut the country down. | ||
| You definitely don't. | ||
| You give people the option. | ||
| Sometimes I think that, and then I look at 300,000 people quitting healthcare, and I'm like, that's an unforeseen consequence. | ||
| Do you know what I mean? | ||
| How about the restaurants? | ||
| How about the small businesses? | ||
| So much of the country... | ||
| Suicide. | ||
| Oh yeah, drug abuse and drug overdoses went through the roof. | ||
| And that's from shutdowns. | ||
| From shutdowns. | ||
| And then you go, well, what if we don't shut it down? | ||
| Then you get Florida. | ||
| Florida had deaths, but if you look at it, Florida, first of all, is very old. | ||
| A lot of old people. | ||
| And if you adjust by age, Florida did better than a lot of other states. | ||
| What they did was say, we're going to protect our elderly, protect our vulnerable, and everything stays open. | ||
| And everyone's like, you're crazy! | ||
| Everyone's going to die! | ||
| And it turns out, no. | ||
| Turns out they were right. | ||
| And the economy there didn't suffer. | ||
| In fact, real estate went through the roof. | ||
| I mean, that was everywhere. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| Well, there in particular, because a lot of people moved there. | ||
| I mean, their economy did well. | ||
| You know, same thing with Texas. | ||
| They didn't shut down. | ||
| I mean, they shut down for a little bit. | ||
| And then they were like, you know, we're going to open up and we're going to be cautious and you should be careful of your own health. | ||
| And if you're a person who's vulnerable, take care of yourself. | ||
| Do whatever you want to do. | ||
| Yeah, I guess it's just the downstream effects of that. | ||
| You just can't shut the whole country down and expect that everything's going to be fine when you start it back up again. | ||
| Disastrous results. | ||
| And whenever the economy crashes like it did with that, you have all these other unforeseen side effects of that. | ||
| And, you know, a big one is people's mental health and anxiety and, like, how is that going to affect the rest of their life? | ||
| When someone works for 20, 30 years on a business and you have a business and it's up and running and it's getting by and you're making a profit and then all of a sudden the government comes along and says, you have to shut this business down. | ||
| And maybe you've already had COVID and maybe you were one of the lucky ones where it wasn't that big of a deal and you got over it and you're like, okay, I got antibodies now, I'm not worried. | ||
| And now the government tells you you can't work. | ||
| You cannot. | ||
| It's against the law. | ||
| If you do, you'll be arrested. | ||
| It's madness. | ||
| It's unprecedented. | ||
| Never happened before. | ||
| I agree. | ||
| I don't think it's... | ||
| Well, it hasn't happened probably since the flu. | ||
| That was the problem. | ||
| That was the problem, is with shutting things down and telling people what they can't do. | ||
| And also having this like... | ||
| Blanket solution for people whether they're 80 and fat or whether they're 20 and fit, which is nuts. | ||
| You can't treat all bodies like they're exactly the same thing. | ||
| That makes zero sense. | ||
| It's as a leader. | ||
| You kind of have to though, right? | ||
| You know what I mean? | ||
| It does have to be one size fits all, somewhat. | ||
| Yeah, but you don't have to impose restrictions. | ||
| You could tell people that these are the best suggestions in terms of what we should do to preserve health, but the reality of respiratory viruses is you cannot contain them. | ||
| They've never been contained. | ||
| No one has ever successfully contained a respiratory virus. | ||
| If people are allowed to walk, and they're allowed to talk, and they're allowed to eat, they're gonna fuckin' spread it. | ||
| No matter what draconian rules they put down in Australia or in China, it fuckin' spreads. | ||
| It burns through the people, and then, and a lot of... | ||
| Virologists and people that are experts in respiratory diseases were saying this at the very beginning of the pandemic. | ||
| They were saying, listen, this has got to burn through the population, and most people didn't want to accept that. | ||
| They were like, no, there's got to be a better way. | ||
| No, there's no better way. | ||
| When you have a virus that spreads through people breathing on each other, it just burns through people. | ||
| You know, if you have the option To be on a ranch, if you've got a ranch in Texas and you got all your food out there and water and you can just fucking stay by yourself for two years, yeah, you'll be okay. | ||
| That's kind of what Howard Stern did, right? | ||
| I don't even know what he did. | ||
| Went to the Hamptons and just stayed put. | ||
| Built a studio out there, did his show from out there. | ||
| There was a photo of him at a restaurant recently. | ||
| It was the first time he was out in two years. | ||
| Yeah, I just didn't, it was, I, I, not like I felt bad for the, I just don't know what, I don't know who did it well. | ||
| Do you know what I mean? | ||
| Like, I don't know what country did it well. | ||
| Whenever I go Sweden and then you, all these things when you do, when you start clicking links, you're like, ah, it seems inconclusive or contradictory or, it always struck me as just we don't have the infrastructure for that many sick people. | ||
| Yeah, there's that. | ||
| That's part of it. | ||
| There's also... | ||
| And the wear and tear of, like, you can't make a nurse that, like... | ||
| You're a nurse. | ||
| You can't just certify. | ||
| It's like being a pilot. | ||
| Like, you have... | ||
| It takes a fucking long time. | ||
| Right, right. | ||
| And that's what they're running up against now. | ||
| Like, big hot... | ||
| Like, one of them is, like, Mass General last week. | ||
| Like, a huge hospital in Massachusetts, in Boston. | ||
| Then there's people lined up in the hallway last week. | ||
| Because there's not enough nurses. | ||
| There was one story in the article I read that was, like... | ||
| They have 200 openings at a hospital and no applicants. | ||
| Oh, Jesus. | ||
| None. | ||
| No applicants. | ||
| Well, imagine if you're a person who's dedicated yourself to healthcare work, and then they come along and say, you have to get vaccinated or you're getting fired. | ||
| And you've just gone through the pandemic. | ||
| You caught COVID. Maybe you caught it twice. | ||
| I would also argue that there's that and then equal parts. | ||
| I would argue more like that was a hard time to be a nurse before the vaccine. | ||
| Oh, yeah. | ||
| Spit on, screamed at, misinformation. | ||
| You're working for the... | ||
| It's like... | ||
| Well, just the amount of hours they had to work. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| But again... | ||
| If you're fired because you're not willing to get vaccinated, why would you want to come back to that job if you could do something else? | ||
| If you could find another way to make a living, you'd be like, this is a thankless, shitty place to work and they ultimately don't give a fuck about you. | ||
| I have a friend who's a nurse and she was telling me how there's a weird coldness that some people in the medical profession get because they're just accustomed to people dying. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| That it's a normal thing and then there's a coldness that sort of applies to firing people. | ||
| It applies to – like there's not – There's this thing where you're just accustomed to people dying. | ||
| I was talking to your guys about this before we started rolling. | ||
| I'm of the mind, and it's wildly uninformed, but it's kind of whatever. | ||
| Anyone who goes through heavy-duty combat is never the same. | ||
| I kind of am of the mind that the military wrecks people. | ||
| Well, it definitely does wreck people. | ||
| I like a lot of them. | ||
| Some people are fine afterwards. | ||
| Everyone is psychologically wired differently. | ||
| And some people can handle extreme stress. | ||
| And with some people, it's just a little bit of stress and you fall apart. | ||
| And I don't know if it's nature or nurture. | ||
| I don't know if that's genetics. | ||
| I mean, I think it varies widely. | ||
| Because I think some people are just innately good at pressure. | ||
| Yeah, and resilient. | ||
| Yeah, very resilient. | ||
| Where would you put yourself on that? | ||
| Oh, I don't know. | ||
| You don't know until you're out. | ||
| I would say life stresses. | ||
| Do you handle stress well? | ||
| I'm pretty good at stress, yeah. | ||
| Do you find when you're doing a broadcast and they go, we're going live, three, two, one, are you like, do you tighten up even a little bit or are you just aware? | ||
| I don't feel anything. | ||
| Like when I do the UFC, I feel zero. | ||
| It's just fine. | ||
| It's like I'm here right now. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| The only thing that I'm excited because it's cool and I want to do a good job. | ||
| You're wearing an IFB and they go, Jay, we need to da-da-da-da-da-da-da. | ||
| And you just go like, okay. | ||
| Hey, man, so what are you... | ||
| Yeah, there's never a like, oh shit, oh shit. | ||
| But also, I've been doing it since 1997. Yeah. | ||
| Right? | ||
| So I've been working for the UFC since the 90s. | ||
| So it's like, it's so normal to me. | ||
| Now, if I just had to do it for the first time... | ||
| I was talking to a friend of mine last night, and we were talking about doing the O2 Arena. | ||
| We did this arena in London, and he came to see me there, and he was like, what was it like performing in front of so many people? | ||
| It must be insane. | ||
| I go... | ||
| You get used to performing in front of lots of people, and then it's normal. | ||
| But if it was the first time I ever went on stage, and I had to go on stage in front of all those people, I'd probably shit my pants. | ||
| I wouldn't know what to do, because it's a totally unique experience. | ||
| But if it's not unique, if it's like you're—I've done a bunch of— Yeah, well, you just—you're—it's like altitude training. | ||
| Yeah, like anything else. | ||
| But I think it's just reps. | ||
| Putting in the reps. | ||
| When I used to fight, one of the things that I found was if I fought a lot, I wouldn't get real nervous. | ||
| I'd get excited, but I'd feel real confident. | ||
| But if I had an injury and I had to take six months off and then I had a fight... | ||
| You're like, ooh, I haven't had that experience in a while. | ||
| It's like the familiarity of that experience is very important. | ||
| You have to be on it all the time. | ||
| Filming your special, could you imagine taking six months off and then just filming a special? | ||
| No matter how much you knew the material, you'd be like, fuck. | ||
| Even though you clearly know how to do stand-up. | ||
| You've been doing stand-up a long fucking time. | ||
| You've been killing a long time. | ||
| You know you know how to do it. | ||
| You know how to talk. | ||
| It's not even a special skill that you have to be physically prepared for. | ||
| It's not like you have to be in shape to play football. | ||
| It's not anything like that. | ||
| It's just talking. | ||
| There is a weird shape, though. | ||
| There is a weird... | ||
| Conditioning. | ||
| A mental condition. | ||
| It's like... | ||
| I used to say it's like being a lion tamer, where like... | ||
| If you're not in the cage with lions every day, after about three or four days the lions can tell. | ||
| They probably can. | ||
| I really believe they can. | ||
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I bet they can. | |
| It's like those animal trainers, you see that lady that just goes like, sss, to the peacock? | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| Fucking, that's how you kind of have to be with the crowd, like, sss, sir? | ||
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Yeah. | |
| And they can tell in your essence. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| But it's also, you know how to be loose and relaxed. | ||
| Like, how much time did you take off during COVID? What was the most time you took off? | ||
| Probably with no stand-up, probably four or five months. | ||
| What was it like the first time back on stage? | ||
| It was kind of gleeful. | ||
| The first good show was like, okay. | ||
| But the first back room was really fun. | ||
| What did you do? | ||
| What was it? | ||
| It was on La Cienega, I think. | ||
| I don't remember the exact show, but it was on La Cienega. | ||
| Mark, I always forget his last name, Irish guy Mark. | ||
| Looks like homeless D'Elia. | ||
| And it was just some outdoors, like me. | ||
| I think Jim Jeffries did it, Ian Edwards. | ||
| And it was just fun. | ||
| Because we all talked about, like, I don't need to do it that much. | ||
| And then you do it, and you're like... | ||
| This is fucking fun. | ||
| Yeah, so it was outside? | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| Yeah, it was outside. | ||
| So it's like, that's a little weird. | ||
| Outdoor shows are already a little weird. | ||
| How much time did it take before you did an indoor show after that? | ||
| I don't remember. | ||
| What's your arc with this? | ||
| I went several months, March, April, May, June, July, probably five months, four or five months, and we did one weekend at the Houston Improv, but then I got really high, and I thought, oh my god, what if I get COVID and give it to everybody and a bunch of people die? | ||
| Like, fuck. | ||
| So I stopped doing comedy. | ||
| Because I was like, okay, I'm just going to go to places where you can do comedy. | ||
| But that was like, no vaccine then. | ||
| No real treatments. | ||
| They didn't really understand what to do if you caught it. | ||
| And so it was kind of touch and go. | ||
| I was like, maybe it's wise to not do this and wait until it actually comes. | ||
| Because it was only like... | ||
| Texas, and there's a few other states, Florida, there's a few places where you can go. | ||
| And then I did it again in November. | ||
| So it was July, and then I didn't do any stand-up again until like, I guess, no, it was actually October. | ||
| Then Dave and I started doing those shows at Stubbs. | ||
| Right. | ||
| Which is an outdoor venue where we tested everyone, and we had a COVID bubble, and we had protocols in place, and that was a lot of fun. | ||
| And then I did indoor shows at the Vulcan. | ||
| Start from no actually from today this day two years ago, huh? | ||
| Yeah, great, and I did the show and I've told the story before but Ron white was like Bob. | ||
| I think I'm over time I've heard this story. | ||
| He's gonna retire then he got off stage and he just grabbed me He's like whatever the fuck we have to do. | ||
| We're gonna keep doing this. | ||
| Yeah, I It was amazing. | ||
| He was pulsating with electricity. | ||
| So from then on, we've been doing shows. | ||
| But the first ones back, it was weird. | ||
| I had to listen to recordings all day, and I went over my notes, and I had to think about transitions. | ||
| Fortunately, I was in a similar boat to you where I was kind of ready to film a special right when everything shut down. | ||
| So I had a lot of material that was pretty tight. | ||
| It wasn't like it was all new stuff. | ||
| Like, if I had to just do, like, if I already released a special, and then COVID came along, and then I hadn't done stand-up in six months, and then I'm doing, like, new stuff, oh, I'd be fucked. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| Because you don't have anything. | ||
| Did you, have you filmed, you haven't filmed in a while, right? | ||
| I filmed in August. | ||
| Is it out yet? | ||
| No, I haven't even looked at it. | ||
| Why not? | ||
| I didn't feel like it. | ||
| I feel like filming. | ||
| It went great. | ||
| I said, okay, good. | ||
| Got in the can. | ||
| I think I'm going to release it right around the time my club opens. | ||
| And so my club will be open somewhere around February, March. | ||
| Okay. | ||
| So that's what I'm probably going to do. | ||
| And do you got a plan for a streamer? | ||
| I haven't decided yet. | ||
| You know, I'm very fortunate that I can do whatever the fuck I want to do. | ||
| So I'm trying to figure out what I want to do. | ||
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I might just fucking throw it on YouTube. | |
| I hear you. | ||
| There seems to be no... | ||
| You know, a mutual friend of ours named Dave Chappelle used to say, good pussy doesn't need a pimp, good pussy sells itself. | ||
| That's true. | ||
| But Ari Shfirer, I think he's close to 2.5 million now. | ||
| And he's just been up for a few days. | ||
| Way bigger than any response he would have ever gotten if it was on Netflix. | ||
| It was on Netflix. | ||
| His last special was on Netflix for the longest time. | ||
| And he's like, I don't think it ever got to a million. | ||
| Really? | ||
| Yeah, it's hard, man. | ||
| What's he at? | ||
| 2.4. | ||
| 2,420,000. | ||
| I haven't watched it. | ||
| I was very impressed with the production design. | ||
| It's great. | ||
| It's like, oh, that fucking looks really cool. | ||
| Well, Ari was working on that for a long time. | ||
| And then the Kobe thing happened. | ||
| I didn't know he was Jewish. | ||
| I'm kidding. | ||
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Ah! | |
| And he abandoned it. | ||
| He was actually gonna film, like, very close to when that Kobe thing happened. | ||
| And then he sort of put it aside and started doing stand-up again and wrote a whole new act. | ||
| And then, you know, I talked to him, and I was like, dude, you gotta put that out. | ||
| Like, it was so good, because he had it so tight. | ||
| And it's cool because it's kind of evergreen, right? | ||
| It's just, I grew up orthodox, and it was fucking weird. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| And it's better now. | ||
| As time goes on, the more you can sort of sit with a subject that's very personal to you. | ||
| And then, you know, sometimes it's good to just put it aside and not even look at it for a while. | ||
| That's kind of what happened with my show. | ||
| I did it in New York for four months every night. | ||
| So you did it as like a one-man show? | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| Now when you do that, do you have a guy warming up the crowd or do you just go out there cold? | ||
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No. | |
| In fact, no, you go out there called, which is interesting, because your first joke's either going to work or it isn't. | ||
| Sometimes they're primed. | ||
| I would say the first joke worked 80% of the time. | ||
| But sometimes you'd be like, okay, like you'd throw a punch and they just stand there and you're like, alright. | ||
| But there's some, you know, Cosby doesn't have an opener. | ||
| Right. | ||
| There's a way to do it where there's something appealing about it where if you don't have an opener, you just go like, yeah, the first two minutes will be a little bumpy, but whatever. | ||
| Did you ever see Richard Pryor live, the one he filmed in Long Beach? | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| Where he goes on stage and people are still sitting down. | ||
| Yes. | ||
| They're walking through the crowd, sitting down, and he's talking shit to them while they're walking and talking. | ||
| A guy comes up and takes a photo at, like, stands by the stage and takes a photo. | ||
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That's so funny. | |
| He goes, look at this motherfucker. | ||
| What are you doing? | ||
| That's fucking hilarious. | ||
| I don't think he had an opener. | ||
| I think he just walked out. | ||
| I did warm up for myself at the Netflix taping. | ||
| Oh, really? | ||
| Which was, like, I would recommend. | ||
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Really? | |
| So you did different material to warm up? | ||
| It's eight minutes. | ||
| I did like eight minutes, and then just like, hey, just touching base, and then I'm going to come out, and then it's actually better than having like, when Neil comes out, I need you guys to roar! | ||
| Oh, that's the worst. | ||
| Oh, it's so embarrassing. | ||
| Those fucking talk shows where they have the applause line, and then there's a guy that's like, come on, applaud, applaud. | ||
| I always tell when I do clubs, or any show, when they go like, you guys excited to see Neil? | ||
| And then they're all like, yeah, and he's like, Neil's in the back. | ||
| And you're like, dude, you're going to make them hate me. | ||
| Yeah, I hate me. | ||
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Like, I'm in the back. | |
| Like, I didn't get enough. | ||
| They didn't seem excited to see me. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| I did my own warm-up. | ||
| That was helpful. | ||
| Second taping, I didn't have time. | ||
| So second taping was 20% worse than the first taping. | ||
| Really? | ||
| Yeah, and it was one of these things where I'm doing the show... | ||
| And I'm like, fuck, I should've fucking... | ||
| Because we were going to lose the venue, et cetera, et cetera, et cetera. | ||
| And it was like, the load-in took too long, and I was like, fuck. | ||
| But by the end of it, the last half was better than the first show's last half. | ||
| Do you know what I mean? | ||
| That really must piss you off. | ||
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Yeah, it was like, I could've fucking heard this the whole fucking... | |
| And that's the funny thing about doing a taping. | ||
| It's a I was asking about stress because there was a point where the tape day I'm, you know, very involved in the production just because I can direct and I can do a bunch of stuff and I've done like my buddy Derek DelGaudio who's fucking excellent and has a show called In and of Itself on Hulu that's a magic show. | ||
| I don't even like to call it a magic show. | ||
| One of the best taped live shows you'll ever see. | ||
| What? | ||
| In and of Itself on Hulu. | ||
| It's fucking excellent But He's directing, he's only directed his special, so he's like, it's a lot of moving parts. | ||
| Like, they didn't have a lav mic for me, they had a handheld, and I'm like, I'm wearing a lav, and it's four. | ||
| And the audience is getting there, we gotta tape at 5.30. | ||
| Oh no. | ||
| And I'm like, the amount of just shit where you're like, I'm gonna fucking kill somebody. | ||
| I'm gonna fucking kill somebody. | ||
| I swear to God. | ||
| I had a funny observation, which is when you're, you know, when everybody gets the credit at the end, roll credits, if you get to give them all a grade. | ||
| Like, sound? | ||
| B minus. | ||
| Didn't love the lav move. | ||
| Didn't love the... | ||
| Was it just poor communication? | ||
| Yeah, it's just one of those things where, like, there's a lot of cracks. | ||
| Just shit can fall through. | ||
| You know being in charge of a thing and doing arena shows and doing... | ||
| People fuck up. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| Just by nature. | ||
| Like, you know, I remember... | ||
| Schumer thought it was sexism. | ||
| Rock thought it was racism. | ||
| When they started directing stuff, and people were fucking up, they thought, this is about my identity. | ||
| They don't respect me. | ||
| I kind of am paranoid enough to be like, they're fucking haters. | ||
| I can easily lapse into that. | ||
| And it's just people, human error. | ||
| Incompetence. | ||
| There's a lot of that. | ||
| I have a theory, 30% of things just get fucked up. | ||
| 30? | ||
| 30! | ||
| If I say, hey, I need X. 30% of the time, people don't hear you. | ||
| They misinterpret. | ||
| They go, I have a better idea. | ||
| But like straightforward stuff, like if you're doing a theater, and there's a sound guy who works for the theater, it's almost 100% works. | ||
| Almost 100% of the time, that guy knows what he's doing. | ||
| You get in there. | ||
| No? | ||
| You've had problems? | ||
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Atlanta... | |
| What happened in Atlanta? | ||
| In Atlanta, the guy, I said, play Kendrick Lamar. | ||
| The joke I always say is, what should we play for your entrance? | ||
| I'd say, anything but Eminem. | ||
| Anything, because they go like, he's a white guy, he's affiliated with black people, we're gonna play M&M! And I'm like, nope, nope, don't, please. | ||
| So I'm like, play Kendrick Lamar, give him the song, give him the time, 10 seconds in, and the Atlanta show, for one, I came out to nothing. | ||
| And then I go, what? | ||
| Oh yeah, he's a fill-in guy. | ||
| Montreal, a bunch of shows, there was a fuck-up every show, lighting cues, just... | ||
| And I don't even... | ||
| You get mad. | ||
| The taping of my first Netflix special, three mics, the last 20 minutes of the second taping, there was a nightclub next door, Joe. | ||
| Oh no. | ||
| Here comes the thumping. | ||
| Oh no. | ||
| Thump, thump, thump, thump, thump. | ||
| So my dad's dying. | ||
| I'm literally telling a monologue about my dad dying. | ||
| And the audience, and I literally had the thought, you literally cannot even think about it. | ||
| You cannot even a little bit get testy. | ||
| It's not going to help. | ||
| And you can't address it? | ||
| Nope. | ||
| Because I'm like doing a show. | ||
| How loud is it? | ||
| Does it pick up on the sound? | ||
| Yeah. | ||
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Oh no. | |
| The good news is, if I'm talking and there's a thump underneath me, you're not going to hear it. | ||
| Meaning like, but when I pause. | ||
| So we had to go through the sound and take out every thump. | ||
| Kind of by hand. | ||
| For how many minutes left in your set? | ||
| In the set? | ||
| 15. Oh god. | ||
| And dude, it's a monologue about my dad dying. | ||
| So there's zero laughs. | ||
| And that's the kind of thing where it's like, where you go, yeah, no. | ||
| Again, maybe it's just my luck. | ||
| Maybe it's just like, I just have bad luck with shit like that. | ||
| But, you know, at a certain, like, it just shit fucks up. | ||
| The sound, the music, or the lighting cue, or a woman, you know, they just, it's like, I do the, and you can rehearse it. | ||
| I've rehearsed it five times. | ||
| Nope. | ||
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Nope. | |
| So your thing that you did, the way you did it with this one-man show, what was the motivation behind this? | ||
| Like, why did you decide to do a special that's not nec- It's stand-up, but it's not necessarily really stand-up. | ||
| You have, like, you have a presentation. | ||
| Yeah, the- this one has a- this one's called Blocks, the new one on Netflix. | ||
| Well, I'll tell you, the Three Mics one- I did the Comedy Central special ten years ago. | ||
| I thought it was good. | ||
| You know, good jokes, whatever. | ||
| People didn't really... | ||
| Eh. | ||
| Ten years ago, though, Comedy Central was already in this weird spot where people weren't listening as much. | ||
| Yeah, I agree with that. | ||
| The ratings were surprisingly good. | ||
| It was just one of these things like, I didn't become a big club act. | ||
| It was just I didn't have, like, I'm now a devotee. | ||
| It was kind of like, oh, that guy's kind of funny. | ||
| Yeah, but I think everybody got that from Comedy Central specials. | ||
| Like, you had to be like Kevin Hart. | ||
| Like, there's only a few guys who did Netflix, or excuse me, Comedy Central specials, and just took off after 2000. You know, it was like, later, like, when you get to 2012, 2014, now you're dealing with streaming services, you're dealing with other things, and you just don't have as many people watching. | ||
| And it's also... | ||
| You've got commercials, which is the death of comedy. | ||
| You're doing these seven-minute chunks. | ||
| Netflix has commercials now, Joe. | ||
| Isn't that wild? | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| I know. | ||
| I'm like, I want to watch it. | ||
| I wonder, because they don't even say, where do you want us to put the commercial? | ||
| But are the commercials before shows or during shows? | ||
| I have no idea. | ||
| It's new, so I think it's during, because if they're after, ain't nobody watching it. | ||
| If they do it during shows, I will be very upset. | ||
| I've heard that Shonda Rhimes and some of the people that have shows on there are a little bit pissed about It's like part of the reason they went to Netflix is because they wanted the shit to play the way they wanted to play. | ||
| They lost a shitload of stock with the Chappelle thing. | ||
| Their stock crashed. | ||
| It didn't have to do with Dave though. | ||
| It had to do with that. | ||
| It was an earnings. | ||
| To me, my understanding of it was the earnings. | ||
| It was the first time the subscribers were flat. | ||
| I think they lost a million at one point. | ||
| Right. | ||
| But it was also – there was a very big public response to the woke bullshit that they were pushing and the fact that they would entertain that that special was in any way transphobic to the point where they had – they had apologized to people for this – what was essentially like a love letter to a dead friend of his. | ||
| To pretend that it was transphobic was fucking nonsense and a lot of people were upset about it I think it had and then Elon Musk talked about how so much of it was unwatchable Elon Musk talked about how it was unwatchable, the woke bullshit that's on there There was a narrative and that was exactly the time where it crashed Exactly the time where the stock crashed There was, unquestionably, there's a narrative that Netflix was fucking up. | ||
| And then there was Cuties, that fucked up show that they did about little kids twerking and shit. | ||
| It's one of my favorite shows. | ||
| Boy, oh boy. | ||
| I must have watched it. | ||
| Can you still watch that? | ||
| Or do they take it down? | ||
| Joe, I would binge that and then I'd binge it again. | ||
| I bet you did. | ||
| You don't have kids. | ||
| My God. | ||
| Yeah, no, I don't... | ||
| My understanding was that they were not... | ||
| Still available. | ||
| Timeline-wise. | ||
| Wow. | ||
| Still available. | ||
| Fahim has a really funny joke about Euphoria, the HBO show. | ||
| That's the one about kids? | ||
| Yeah, and he's like, who is this for? | ||
| Because if you're an adult, you're just watching... | ||
| Teenagers fuck each other nude? | ||
| Right. | ||
| And if you're a teenager, you're just watching kids do drugs. | ||
| It's like no one watches it for the right reason. | ||
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Right. | |
| That's a good point. | ||
| That's a good point. | ||
| Do you remember Kids? | ||
| Dude, Kids is one of my favorite movies. | ||
| There's some movies that are like... | ||
| That movie's got very little plot, but you were never... | ||
| I was 19 and lived in the city. | ||
| And would just walk around. | ||
| I didn't skate, but I was just a little rat who lived on St. Mark's. | ||
| So that movie... | ||
| Spoke to you. | ||
| Yeah, I just think it's a really well-made movie. | ||
| That life is super dangerous now with fentanyl. | ||
| It was dangerous back then to just be running around being a teenager doing drugs, but that life now is fucking horrendously dangerous. | ||
| Yeah, that's the, you know, when somebody dies, you just go, ah, it's fentanyl. | ||
| Like, now, if it's not Prince, or I'm sure the Aaron Carter kid who died recently, it'll be, if it's not directly fentanyl, it'll be drug use, long-term, you know. | ||
| He was trying to come on. | ||
| Was he? | ||
| Yeah, I didn't think I would have a good conversation with him. | ||
| I've had conversations with multiple child stars. | ||
| It's a sad reality that they don't develop. | ||
| There is no redoing that. | ||
| If you become famous when you are a young kid, you're fucked. | ||
| You're absolutely fucked. | ||
| Almost always. | ||
| Maybe Jodie Foster, I've never talked to her, but she seems pretty balanced. | ||
| I think you have to decide... | ||
| I'm gonna stop I'm have to take a break and I have to get Jodie Foster went to Yale I think the girl from Harry Potter went to school if you make it concerted effort to do something else to do something else and you have and this is a big one you have to hope your parents didn't fuck you Monetarily. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| I have a friend who was a child star. | ||
| He found out late in life that his parents stole like six million dollars from him. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| It's real common. | ||
| They feel like they deserve it. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| I think there's a new law that protects kids. | ||
| But that's one of those things you just gotta fucking hope, dude. | ||
| You gotta hope. | ||
| Which you're... | ||
| You don't... | ||
| You handle your... | ||
| You seem to have not a lot of... | ||
| Outside, people, or you hide it well. | ||
| Meaning you don't seem like you don't have a crazy family, you don't have a crazy, like, there's not a lot of people asking you for handouts that I'm aware of, obviously. | ||
| I'm sure you get plenty of like, hey, do you think I could... | ||
| But it seems like... | ||
| It's mostly people I don't know well, honestly, that are asking me for stuff. | ||
| Well, that's when it becomes family or... | ||
| You gotta hope that... | ||
| You know, that you just are in a good situation. | ||
| Like I did a thing with that guy Giannis Antetokounmpo, the basketball player, and he's Greek and like him and his brothers are all in the NBA. Or like they all are pro basketball players and it's like and I was talking I was like you're very lucky that you're all paid You're all like he doesn't have to worry about You know his brother it's like he doesn't have to worry about people That's | ||
| a real drag that family stuff because it's a real drag because it's it can you feel Bad. | ||
| You feel bad if you don't give it to them, and you feel bad if you do give it to them. | ||
| Well, here's what happens. | ||
| You never are even anymore. | ||
| You're never just two people talking. | ||
| There's always someone who wants something from you, and they're angling towards that, and maybe they're not doing it today, but maybe they're doing it and setting you up for something they want to do in the future, and you sense it, and you recognize that the conversation is very slanted. | ||
| It's not a normal conversation. | ||
| And that becomes really sad for people. | ||
| It makes you not trust anyone. | ||
| Yeah, some people feed off of it though. | ||
| Some people like it when everybody is like looking for something from them and they can complain about it. | ||
| They like it also because it puts them in a position where like they're the fucking bell of the ball. | ||
| Patterfamilians, yeah. | ||
| You get to be like the, come sit down, what do you need? | ||
| Which I don't, I wouldn't, that doesn't appeal to me. | ||
| And that that interaction of that status thing that like I need something from you and it just makes it not very human. | ||
| It's not very human and you're never gonna have like real conversations with those people because they're not if you they think you're being a cunt they're never gonna tell you if they want something from them. | ||
| So like you know if you're one of those guys that has like a bunch of sycophants that travel with you everywhere you go and they're always kissing your ass like you can get real delusional really quickly. | ||
| Yeah and weirdly bitter even though you invite them. | ||
| Yeah, yeah. | ||
| I was just talking to a friend who's a very successful touring comedian. | ||
| And he was explaining to me how he's having problems with his opening acts being entitled and asking for things and getting things and doing things. | ||
| And he was really upset about it. | ||
| And we were having this conversation. | ||
| I go, dude, this is really bumming me out because you're killing it at life right now. | ||
| You should be enjoying the shit out of it. | ||
| And instead, you're focusing on these few people that are trying to take advantage of you. | ||
| And it was, like, legitimate taking advantage of him. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| Like, there were some of them where I was like, what? | ||
| Just people, like, literally, like, showing up to fly with him and just... | ||
| I think I had the same conversation with the same person. | ||
| Hotel rooms on his credit card. | ||
| He's like, what the fuck? | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| And they're mad... | ||
| They're mad at him. | ||
| They're mad at him. | ||
| That's the crazy part is like, you, it's the, I think Chris Rock did a joke about it where it's like, you, you give them money and then they're mad. | ||
| And it's like, wait, what do you, because they, because you represent their failure, their inadequacies. | ||
| Because you're so successful. | ||
| Because you're so successful. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| And they hate the fact that they have to ask you for Anything. | ||
| It just fucks up the balance of... | ||
| It fucks up the balance of humanity. | ||
| It just fucks up, like, the... | ||
| Which is, I think, also why shows like this work, because... | ||
| You can only pretend for... | ||
| You know what I mean? | ||
| It's just like, you get a sense of what the person's like. | ||
| Yeah, after a while. | ||
| That's why a lot of these celebrities that start these things, they can't keep up. | ||
| They bail. | ||
| You know, like the Meghan Markle's and fucking, I guess she's doing it now, but Prince Harry was doing one for a while and Bruce Springsteen and Obama were doing one for a while. | ||
| Yeah, that was wild. | ||
| Like, guys, you don't gotta do this. | ||
| I'm begging you to stop. | ||
| Is there a Patreon that makes you stop? | ||
| You just can't keep faking it. | ||
| It's too hard. | ||
| If you have an image that you like to do, there's a way you like to talk. | ||
| I'd like to get that guy alone. | ||
| I would love to talk to Obama alone where he wasn't worried. | ||
| You know, if I was like, dude, I promise you I will tell no one we're having this conversation. | ||
| I've heard quotes from Obama off the record that are all very funny and very interesting. | ||
| I'm sure! | ||
| The fucking guy was the president of the United States for eight years. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| And he's got a very unique background. | ||
| He's a very smart guy. | ||
| And a fucking world-class brain. | ||
| World-class brain. | ||
| Best statesman we've ever had as president. | ||
| The best representation of what you would want if you want the rest of the world to see what is an excellent American like. | ||
| But can't be himself. | ||
| But meanwhile has all the money in the world and can't be himself. | ||
| How wild is that? | ||
| Can't just fuck around. | ||
| I mean, if Obama just fucked around, if Obama did a podcast and he had sunglasses on like Tim Dillon, and he's just sitting back and he sparked up a joy. | ||
| Let me tell you what I think about this electoral college bullshit. | ||
| It would be amazing. | ||
| But you also know, I don't think there's a lot of things you want to do that you can't do. | ||
| But there's like, you know, it's almost like Obama is everyone's parent. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| Like he can't be, it's like shit you wouldn't do around, you got daughters! | ||
| Yeah. | ||
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Yeah, you can't do that. | |
| Yeah, I think that's the case. | ||
| Well, that's the beauty about being a comic, right? | ||
| Like you're kind of expected to be at least slightly fucked up. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| Yeah, well now. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| I mean, it's like you can kind of talk about whatever you want and that's part of your business model. | ||
| If you're a person who is a former president of the United States, and you want to talk about getting your balls cradled, like, I just like the gentle cradling of the balls, just a gentle tickling, you know, no, no, no, no, no, you can't tell people that. | ||
| You literally can't. | ||
| Who doesn't like their balls cradled? | ||
| Like, what are we doing here? | ||
| Are we pretending that getting your balls cradled is not great? | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| Why does he have to pretend? | ||
| It's his whole act. | ||
| He does like 20 minutes on his balls. | ||
| He just walks out there. | ||
| It's so weird that it's his closer. | ||
| He's in this beautiful suit. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| Let me sit down. | ||
| Yep. | ||
| Tell you how I like my balls treated. | ||
| Can you believe it? | ||
| Well, the question I wanted to ask you about all this stuff is how do you deal with the... | ||
| When people ask me about you, people ask me about Dave, they ask me... | ||
| You guys are like firebrands. | ||
| Uh, I always say that it just looks too stressful for me. | ||
| Like, the amount of times... | ||
| You maybe are even unaware of it, but, like, the vaccine stuff, and you make a video, and you... | ||
| Is that... | ||
| Are those days hellish? | ||
| Stressful? | ||
| Or are you just like, alright, I'll make a video. | ||
| Oh, they didn't... | ||
| I fucked up the thing with their... | ||
| I didn't fuck up, or you want me to say I fucked up? | ||
| Or, like, what's it like in your body? | ||
| It depends on the day. | ||
| It depends on what the Controversy is, but generally I don't read anything About me. | ||
| I don't even now like it like if I see some article with some bullshit headline You know, I don't read it. | ||
| I'm not reading things about I'm not interested in people's opinions of me It's like you can't take in all that that is not good for you And that's like a learning process took a while to figure that out And if you stay offline and just communicate with people that you know and you meet in normal, real life, the world's fine. | ||
| The world's normal. | ||
| The problem that happens with people when they get locked up in a controversy is that they start Dwelling on all these different opinions on them and they start taking it in and considering it and wanting to argue it. | ||
| I never said it that way. | ||
| That's not what I meant. | ||
| These motherfuckers and then it becomes this emotional thing. | ||
| You fucking prick. | ||
| Do you see what they wrote? | ||
| That doesn't do you any good. | ||
| That is not a positive. | ||
| There's no benefit to that. | ||
| Zero. | ||
| There's zero benefit. | ||
| So don't do it. | ||
| And I always tell comedians, I'm like, those good comments that you read, those aren't good for you either. | ||
| I don't, dude, the reason I wanted to talk to you about it is because yesterday the special comes out, and it's a fucking big day! | ||
| And it's a lot of attention, and it's a lot of, and I had taken Instagram off my phone because I was in... | ||
| Want to stay healthy? | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| I mean, I was in Hawaii, and I posted a video, and then I was just in paradise worrying about the comments. | ||
| And I was like, this is a fucking waste of your life, dude. | ||
| You have to not do this. | ||
| And I took it off my phone, and it's been great, and then I put it back on yesterday because I had to post something. | ||
| That's what I tell myself. | ||
| But also, I wanted some of the juice, Joe. | ||
| I wanted some of the fucking juice. | ||
| Give me some love. | ||
| Give me a little bit of the juice. | ||
| And I got a lot of juice. | ||
| And it was like, I liked it. | ||
| The juice was delicious, Joe. | ||
| Well, you did a good job. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| Look, I haven't seen your new special, but you're a fucking hilarious comic, so I'm sure you killed it. | ||
| Yeah, thank you. | ||
| Which is great. | ||
| So, you're getting good juice. | ||
| You deserve that juice. | ||
| Yes. | ||
| And I liked it, and I was telling somebody last night, I was like, you know, I really liked it, and then I was like, but this isn't, that's not me. | ||
| And I'm like, oh, it is, yeah, it is. | ||
| It is me. | ||
| I like the juice. | ||
| How do I... You know, I obviously, like, took it off my phone again. | ||
| Whatever, whatever. | ||
| Of course. | ||
| Obviously goes without saying took it off my phone again What? | ||
| But and then I think about the the III could feel the like Like patch like being a cunt coming up in me. | ||
| Just being like just being like well, yeah, I deserve it Just like and I'm and I'm I'm like a sore winner where I'm like you motherfuckers Like, I'm telling people off in my head, and just like, Mike Nichols, the director who was a comic, and he was Nichols and May, he said, being a performer, he transitioned to being just a director, and he said, being a performer brought out the baby in him. | ||
| Where he'd say he would be, like, he'd notice who had the bigger dressing room. | ||
| Oh no! | ||
| And just shit like that. | ||
| And I, obviously, it was 12 hours of being, I called myself a despot in exile, where I was, I'm like, in exile, and then I get, like, the country welcoming me back, and I'm like, there's gonna be some changes around here in 12 hours! | ||
| I became a fucking monster and I thought about you and I thought about Dave and I thought about guys who, Chris, just people that are, it's Adam, like, big attention, a lot of positive attention pointed at you and you must at a certain point go, I have to make a very firm decision about this. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| Well, Dave doesn't have social media on his phone at all. | ||
| But at the same time, he sees everything. | ||
| He gets sent important things. | ||
| Things that people think are important. | ||
| I tell people, never send me anything about me. | ||
| Well, somebody sent me a review and I was like, don't send me this. | ||
| Literally, don't send me. | ||
| I don't want to read it. | ||
| People are entitled to their opinion and they should express their opinion. | ||
| There's nothing wrong with that. | ||
| I agree with that. | ||
| But the idea that you should participate in their opinion when you don't even know these people, and you should take this in, and then some people treat it like gospel. | ||
| Like, some people's confidence has been destroyed by someone telling them they suck. | ||
| I mean, you really can fuck with some people's heads. | ||
| It was fucking up my Hawaii trip. | ||
| Well, one of the things that I do that I think is very important is I work out really hard, and I think that resets my day every time. | ||
| So all the other things, like, oh, I should read the comments, like, what are they saying? | ||
| None of that happens. | ||
| There's no room for that. | ||
| I'm so exhausted from that, like, physically exhausted. | ||
| You almost kill yourself. | ||
| It's a weird, like, near-death experience. | ||
| So I get to a point where I've wrung all the stress out of my body. | ||
| And when I do that, then other stuff doesn't seem like it's a big deal. | ||
| It really isn't. | ||
| It's like the physical discomfort. | ||
| Yeah, you reset your hierarchy of needs. | ||
| Yeah, it's like I did a, I wrote a joke with Blake Griffin, the basketball player, one time where it was like, they're asking guys, they're interviewing guys after they've just, they're trying not to, they're trying to get oxygen to their brain. | ||
| Like it's a bad time to do an interview. | ||
| Well, I was doing interviews with people after they got knocked unconscious. | ||
| And do you feel, are you kind of like, ah, do you not like it? | ||
| It's not a good time to interview people. | ||
| They make mistakes. | ||
| Because, like, you just had your brain shut off. | ||
| Like, maybe they think they won a fight, or maybe they think something, they don't know what the fuck just happened. | ||
| And there's varying degrees of that. | ||
| Like, you can pretend, oh, he knows, he's playing dumb. | ||
| But you have zero idea what's going on in a person's brain unless you are them and you have been knocked out. | ||
| Did they have a policy of not doing that anymore, or you still do it? | ||
| Well, I said I won't do it, and then I fucked up and did it with Daniel Cormier. | ||
| But I was so confused in that fight because Daniel's a good friend. | ||
| I love him to death. | ||
| And Jon Jones had just knocked him out. | ||
| And I was in this state— Is this recent or no? | ||
| No, this was a few years back. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| I haven't done any, like, knockouts interviews since, but I think I did a couple of TKOs, and I think it's a judgment call. | ||
| Like, there's sometimes when the guy's getting fucked up, but it's really like he's just beaten. | ||
| He's getting his legs kicked and punched, and the referee comes and stops the fight. | ||
| But he's okay. | ||
| Like, he just got fucked up. | ||
| He's not an out cold. | ||
| But sometimes guys get knocked out cold, and when they get knocked out cold, like, ooh, you're... | ||
| You don't really know because they went away. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| And then they come back. | ||
| Yeah, and they're in an arena for some reason. | ||
| Some guys are fine and they handle it with grace and dignity and, you know, they're amazing at it. | ||
| And that's also depending upon that knockout versus a different knockout. | ||
| Like, what happened to you that day? | ||
| Like, how bad did you get beat up before you got knocked out? | ||
| Was it just one punch? | ||
| Was it a kick to the head? | ||
| Is a kick to the head worse than a punch to the head? | ||
| Even though both knock you out, the force of a kick is way higher. | ||
| So, you don't really know. | ||
| You don't really know until you're talking to them, and I don't think you really will ever know. | ||
| Because a lot of people could talk on autopilot, and then they'll tell you, like, they go back to the dressing room. | ||
| They have no idea they fought. | ||
| And then they're in the hospital room afterwards, they don't know what happened, and they lose, like, hours of the night. | ||
| It's really common. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| But I think you're smart, to get back to the original thing, you're smart to reset your hierarchy. | ||
| Yes. | ||
| Where you're fucking exhausted and you want to just breathe and get your body back to like a regular, and you still have all that like exercise drain slash tingle. | ||
| There's that too. | ||
| There's like you exhaust yourself, which I think is very good for you. | ||
| Because it relieves you of the stress. | ||
| My brother Kevin used to jog every day to run the Brennan out of him. | ||
| Like, we got bad shit in us. | ||
| I have to run it out of me. | ||
| That's hilarious. | ||
| It's fucking very funny. | ||
| But that's a smart approach. | ||
| So there's two things going on. | ||
| There's the physical thing where you're wringing out the stress, which I think is very real. | ||
| It makes you feel better and it's easier to get by. | ||
| But then there's also the psychological thing. | ||
| Because to work out really hard is very difficult to do. | ||
| And you think things are difficult until you compare them to things that are very difficult. | ||
| Like very difficult things. | ||
| Like if you have – say if you're going on a hike in the mountains and you're going to backpack in and camp out and it's – 14 miles in, you have a 70-pound backpack because you have all your food, you have your bedding, you have a tent, you have all this shit on your back, you and your friends, and you're walking 13, 14 miles in. | ||
| That's fucking hard. | ||
| When you're 9,000 feet above sea level, you're like... | ||
| That's real hard. | ||
| It's not comments on fucking Twitter. | ||
| That's not really hard. | ||
| That is easy to ignore. | ||
| It's easy. | ||
| You have the option to ignore it and life goes on. | ||
| Or you have the option to take it all in. | ||
| Your brain's like, yo, I can't worry about it. | ||
| You'll have a flash of it. | ||
| We can't fuck it. | ||
| Dude, you gotta breathe and you're gonna perish. | ||
| But you also gotta do difficult shit. | ||
| You do difficult shit to change what your watermark is. | ||
| Like, what's your mark of, like, normalcy? | ||
| And if your ability to handle difficult situations and discomfort is at a very low level, you are going to be miserable forever. | ||
| You've got to elevate your ability to withstand discomfort. | ||
| So the things that are discomfort, very discomfort for most people, they aren't as bad for you. | ||
| They aren't as bad for you. | ||
| And if you can get there, it's a better place to be. | ||
| You just make yourself resilient by just, it's like throwing the menace ball in your stomach and just fucking getting the fucking... | ||
| Yeah, you're getting like mental, like if you have, if you're doing like endurance work on a bike, like doing sprints on one of those airdyne machines, you are, you are not capable of thinking of anything else. | ||
| You're barely surviving those workouts. | ||
| You're like, fuck! | ||
| There's these things called Tabata sprints. | ||
| It's a great protocol for developing endurance. | ||
| And you do a 20-second sprint followed by 10 seconds of rest. | ||
| It's the shortest 10 seconds you'll ever experience in your life. | ||
| Because then right after that, it's another 20 seconds. | ||
| I do high interval training for just running. | ||
| You sprint for a minute and then knot for a minute. | ||
| And you're like, boy, that was a pretty quick knot. | ||
| That fucking slowdown was not... | ||
| I think they fucked with the clocks a little bit on that one. | ||
| Yeah, time is relative. | ||
| It's very relative. | ||
| So how do you deal with... | ||
| How did you deal with the Spotify... | ||
| What's that day like? | ||
| The day of... | ||
| The boycotts and all that stuff because I don't I haven't spoken I don't know if you've spoken about it at all. | ||
| It was They'd never experienced anything like that before so it was interesting to see how they would handle it. | ||
| They handled it really well and you know again like when I made that video or the big one was like Neil Young and Joni Mitchell and When I made that video, one of the things I really wanted to get out there was a lot of the things they were saying were misinformation. | ||
| That's a shit word. | ||
| It's a shit term. | ||
| We're talking about things that are proven to be true now. | ||
| Right. | ||
| And when I was talking about them, a lot of the things that I was talking about were already on the cover of Newsweek. | ||
| Like, that was the one that masks don't work. | ||
| Or, no, the cover of Newsweek was the lab leak hypothesis. | ||
| And then on CNN they were saying cloth masks don't work. | ||
| These are all things that I had read and talked to people about before. | ||
| I'm like, you've got to recognize, like, what you're calling disinformation six months from now could be just accepted fact. | ||
| And that's what we're seeing over and over and over again with this. | ||
| So there was this, it was very strange to experience that because I could tell that this was not- But you also knew you couldn't get in the weeds. | ||
| You couldn't even, it's not like- You can't get in the weeds. | ||
| You can't get in the weeds. | ||
| You can't go over reading the things that people are saying or watching things people are saying. | ||
| Or even counter that you can't argue. | ||
| What did I say? | ||
| I said, cloth mask, and I said, like, you can't. | ||
| You got to let other people do that. | ||
| You be yourself. | ||
| But if you feel like you didn't express yourself correctly, or if you feel like there's something more to say about it, definitely do that, too. | ||
| But to counter all the different points of criticism, and also, that's a game dummies play. | ||
| There's a dummy game, and that dummy game is attack you so that you have to respond back to them. | ||
| It's like... | ||
| You're so clever. | ||
| It's trolling. | ||
| And you only do it when you don't have other things to contribute. | ||
| When people aren't really interested in your personality or your perspectives or the way you word things or talk about things, then you've got to just go start talking shit about people and starting shit with people and hope they respond. | ||
| And there's like a whole ecosystem of people talking shit to each other and responding and then becoming friends. | ||
| It's like... | ||
| And by the way, the friendships are not the sturdiest, I'll say. | ||
| It's a silly way to live your life! | ||
| We've learned in the last couple years, these friendships are not very... | ||
| Robust. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| Well, that's what I always say about you. | ||
| It's like, I've known him 30 years. | ||
| He's fucking nice to me. | ||
| And I am nice to him. | ||
| We are unlikely animal friends, but he's nice. | ||
| I respect him. | ||
| He respects me. | ||
| I can look you in the eye, know it's true, and... | ||
| And I don't... | ||
| So when people... | ||
| The amount of, like, wokey, lefty people that will fucking write you off in a second. | ||
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Yeah. | |
| That's okay. | ||
| Yeah, it's okay, but you just go, okay. | ||
| There's plenty of things to like in the world. | ||
| Of course. | ||
| You don't have to like me. | ||
| Yeah, yeah. | ||
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It's okay. | |
| No, yeah. | ||
| Yeah, but I'm saying, like, there's a... | ||
| I do... | ||
| I represent that... | ||
| Masculine energy that is so dangerous in today's society. | ||
| But I also represent being nice. | ||
| I think it's important to be nice. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| I think it's super important. | ||
| And by the way, they're not mutually exclusive. | ||
| In fact. | ||
| They're not. | ||
| In fact. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| When you're stronger, you have more of an ability to be nice. | ||
| You know, you really do. | ||
| Because when you're more controlled and more confident in yourself... | ||
| You have more of an ability to forgive people, because there's a strength in that. | ||
| Just like, fuck off, come on, relax. | ||
| Are you a grudge person? | ||
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No. | |
| I'm a big one. | ||
| Yeah, not at all. | ||
| Not at all, no. | ||
| Do you see, what about when people say, we need to move on, we need to put that behind us and all that stuff? | ||
| If somebody fucks with you and then goes, let's just, let's buy guns. | ||
| Some people just like to do that over and over again. | ||
| That's a problem with some people. | ||
| They want to get involved in conflicts and then make up. | ||
| Have you ever had a girlfriend like that that wanted to fight? | ||
| A lot of boyfriends do it too. | ||
| A lot of people do it. | ||
| It's a normal sort of psychological rollercoaster you put yourself on. | ||
| Where you start fights over nothing just so you can make up. | ||
| Because the making up is so intense. | ||
| Because it's like, oh my god, is it really going to break up? | ||
| I don't want to break up. | ||
| I don't want to break up either. | ||
| And the next thing you know, you're making out, you're fucking, and it feels like it's amazing. | ||
| I had to tell a woman, like, hey, you don't like me. | ||
| Because she kept doing it. | ||
| I was like, hey, you need to take your own word for this. | ||
| We don't get along good. | ||
| You just got to stop being like, hey, no, I know how this ends. | ||
| You yell at me for nonsense, and then I plead my case, but once you're pleading your case, it's like you've already lost. | ||
| When you get stuck in a relationship where the other person likes to just berate you and badger you and insult you, which can happen male or female, right? | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| That is the worst place to be. | ||
| That's one of the worst places to be. | ||
| It's a swamp. | ||
| Unlike, it's real sticky. | ||
| It's a love swamp. | ||
| It's fucking real hard to get out of. | ||
| It's a bog. | ||
| Your wheels are turning. | ||
| And you cannot, because then they can go like, so you giving up? | ||
| Oh, God. | ||
| And you're like, fucking, alright, I'll fucking do it another. | ||
| You know what gets an actual applause break in the new block special? | ||
| I go, I've never been lonelier than in a relationship I didn't want to be in. | ||
| And people are like, yeah! | ||
| It gets like a slow roller. | ||
| That's good. | ||
| That's so good. | ||
| That's so true. | ||
| Yeah, because I could be... | ||
| I'm single, not married, don't kiss, and it's like, do I get lonely? | ||
| Yeah, but I've also... | ||
| You're also not miserable. | ||
| Yeah, and I know a lot of lonely married people. | ||
| Yeah, there's a great quote somebody said once, I'd rather be alone than wish I was alone. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| Alone has its problems. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| But it's very manageable. | ||
| It's certainly much more manageable than being in a shit relationship. | ||
| Because if you're alone, you can meet someone nice. | ||
| Uh-huh. | ||
| But if you're in a shit relationship and you can't get out, you're living together. | ||
| And if you meet somebody nice, you've got to call a lawyer, Joe. | ||
| Oh, no! | ||
| And you got your bills all tied up together, and maybe, you know, you're not married, but you did buy the house together. | ||
| Oh, God. | ||
| Oh, God. | ||
| I had a girlfriend move in with me, and somebody goes, uh, mark the date down. | ||
| And I was like, why? | ||
| And they go, because California common law says that if you live together for seven years, you're basically married. | ||
| Oh my god. | ||
| And he goes, it just happened to so and so. | ||
| Two days after seven years. | ||
| Two days after seven years they got hit? | ||
| Yep. | ||
| Wow. | ||
| Not married. | ||
| Maybe you should have like a clock, like one of those digital clocks, like the debt countdown. | ||
| Yeah, exactly. | ||
| Let's just count down to seven years. | ||
| We got to get the fuck out of here. | ||
| Five years in, you're like, boom, I'm getting a little itchy. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| This is dangerous. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| So what happened with this friend? | ||
| Did someone file a... | ||
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Uh-huh. | |
| Oh boy. | ||
| Uh-huh. | ||
| Looking for a big payday. | ||
| And I think they got it. | ||
| Oh my goodness. | ||
| Wow! | ||
| That's just stealing money from people. | ||
| It's... | ||
| it's... | ||
| It's another thing that's in the new special where I say, it's like, relationships are reliant on like, this is a shared thing. | ||
| And then at a certain point, they go, I've been pretending. | ||
| And then you have to look through it and try to figure out when they were pretending and when they weren't. | ||
| And then you just have to accept like, oh, this might have all been a grift. | ||
| And I've seen it. | ||
| It's happened to me. | ||
| And not for money. | ||
| Or not a lot of money. | ||
| And I've seen it happen to guys I know with a lot of money. | ||
| And they get... | ||
| It's a real thing. | ||
| People that look at someone who's got money and you act like a predator and you get close to them and you pretend you like them and you date them and you fuck them. | ||
| It's like a very high level of prostitution that people engage in. | ||
| To me, it has a lot more to do with sociopathy. | ||
| Oh, it does. | ||
| Yeah, for sure. | ||
| It's like, what did you do? | ||
| But then you've also got the ego of the guy who thinks this, like, I earned it fair and square. | ||
| Bomb-ass 30-year-old woman is into him. | ||
| I always got hot chicks, bro! | ||
| That's on you, stupid. | ||
| Of course this isn't a fair fight. | ||
| Well, that's whenever I'm on dating apps, I just go, have I ever dated someone who looks like this? | ||
| Like, in this area of hotness? | ||
| And if I have, then I'll like them. | ||
| That's a good move. | ||
| But if they're way, I'm like, there's no fucking thing. | ||
| There's a point. | ||
| I wouldn't trust them. | ||
| It's so rational. | ||
| I don't trust you, lady. | ||
| You shouldn't be. | ||
| You're here for the wrong reasons. | ||
| I do really enjoy when I see those couples, though, of this aged fucking decrepit man and this bomb-ass wife. | ||
| I love that story. | ||
| Louis had a fucking great joke about it. | ||
| Louis' most recent special, incredibly good. | ||
| Really? | ||
| Before that, excellent. | ||
| But he had a joke about just getting a year old, you got money. | ||
| We get together for a couple years. | ||
| I die. | ||
| You keep the change. | ||
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It was so fucking funny. | |
| That's a great line. | ||
| Keep the change. | ||
| But I don't... | ||
| That's again... | ||
| I don't even... | ||
| That doesn't bother me. | ||
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It doesn't bother me at all. | |
| That's a fair... | ||
| Everyone knows what's happening. | ||
| He knows what's happening. | ||
| She knows what's happening. | ||
| Everyone who sees it knows what's happening. | ||
| It's when they're... | ||
| Even they could be very high-status and get a lot of good-looking girls, high-status women, and then they were just lying. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| And there's nothing you can do about it. | ||
| Not a damn thing. | ||
| The women can add the resentment to it. | ||
| Like, you knew I didn't care. | ||
| And they can justify it. | ||
| In their own heads, because like, you made me wait and I did it. | ||
| I would rub your feet and just all this shit of like, lady, I thought we were, I thought you meant it. | ||
| It was a job. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| It's a long hit. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| It's a long financial hit. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| And that's, men are vulnerable to that, but so are women. | ||
| A lot of older women, young guy comes along, fitness trainer, hey baby. | ||
| Doesn't Cher have like a 35-year-old boyfriend? | ||
| I hope so. | ||
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I think she does. | |
| Good for her. | ||
| Yep. | ||
| But, you know, for some reason that bothers people more than when the old man gets fucked over. | ||
| It bothers people when, like... | ||
| Wow! | ||
| Yeah, he's young. | ||
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I think it said he's 36. How old is she now? | |
| 70. He looks like a discount Chris Brown. | ||
| By the way, that's her real hair color. | ||
| What? | ||
| I said 40-year age gap. | ||
| Yeah, she's 76. Wow. | ||
| Good for her. | ||
| Good for her. | ||
| Cher was a good cultural... | ||
| Why does she have to defend the 40-year age gap? | ||
| Who gives a fuck? | ||
| He's a grown-ass man. | ||
| Why does anybody give a shit? | ||
| Once someone's in their 30s, why would you give a shit? | ||
| Well, I think when they do it, when it's an older man and it's a younger woman, it assumes that women are feeble. | ||
| It's like old shit. | ||
| You know, Elizabethan fucking Willa Mann. | ||
| Some of it shows in the Me Too stuff where they go, he used his power. | ||
| Alright. | ||
| Okay. | ||
| Do I have power? | ||
| When do I have power? | ||
| When don't I have power? | ||
| But it's just nosy and gossipy. | ||
| It's like when people get mad that DiCaprio's not married. | ||
| Right, and that his girlfriends are always 25. Yeah, good. | ||
| Good for him. | ||
| That's what he likes. | ||
| If it was a 25-year-old guy and a 40-year-old woman, no one would care at all. | ||
| No, they'd love it. | ||
| You go, girl. | ||
| You go, girl. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| Yeah, like, doesn't that Kate Beckinsdale? | ||
| Oh, yeah. | ||
| Yeah, good for her. | ||
| Good for her. | ||
| You like Pete Davidson? | ||
| Me too, lady. | ||
| Good for you. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| Go have some fun. | ||
| Yeah, knock yourself out. | ||
| It's weird to care. | ||
| You know what's weird is that gold digging is totally legal, but there's no courses on it. | ||
| Like, you would think that, like, it's literally a form of business. | ||
| Like, if you really thought about it, there's certain businesses you go into where you're just going in to make money. | ||
| If you're selling, like, waste baskets, like, are you fucking passionate about waste baskets? | ||
| Are you just trying to make some money? | ||
| You're just trying to make money. | ||
| Well, there's ways that people teach people how to do all sorts of jobs, but there's no courses on gold digging. | ||
| Like, if you could talk a girl through, like, real psychological manipulation, getting close to, like, decrepit old men with shit piles of money, you could make a lot of money. | ||
| You think about every client, if you're a real estate agent, every client that you become friends with, and maybe they're going to buy a house in five years, maybe they're going to sell this house, maybe you make money on both those houses. | ||
| You've got to stay close to them. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| No, you're right. | ||
| But I think that they, you could see those, a lot of the gold digger ladies, you could see them almost, it's almost like an origin story. | ||
| When they're six and they get their dad to do something. | ||
| Oh, yeah. | ||
| You know what I mean? | ||
| Or some boy in class. | ||
| They could talk to some boy in class. | ||
| I like your joke about your daughters slowly stealing your manhood. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| And then you made it a Kardashian joke, which was great. | ||
| It was one of the few Kardashian jokes. | ||
| I was like, tip of the cap. | ||
| I'm sure you see your daughters... | ||
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Develop... | |
| Manipulative traits. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| Yeah, humans manipulate people. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| And you get to watch it in real time. | ||
| The best is when they'll pretend they're sick. | ||
| They're like, I just don't feel good today. | ||
| I'm like, dude, really? | ||
| Let me take your head. | ||
| Let me check your temperature. | ||
| You're fine. | ||
| The fuck out of here. | ||
| I know what you're doing. | ||
| Do you bust their balls? | ||
| Try not to. | ||
| But there's a comic in you wants to just be like, get the fuck out. | ||
| I do a little bit, but you know, you don't want to get sad. | ||
| It's like a weird dance. | ||
| You can't fuck with a lawyer guy like, bitch, you're fine. | ||
| No, yeah, that's what somebody told me. | ||
| Like, he goes, yeah, the deal is they can make fun of you and you can't make fun of them. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| Well, I make fun of a little bit, but not, he's just like, you can't talk to them like they're your comic friends. | ||
| They're little kids. | ||
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Right. | |
| Your daughters are getting 16, 14? | ||
| 14 and 12. So you can see them not becoming women, but does it inform your opinions or information about women, or does it affirm it? | ||
| Well, whenever you're experiencing life from the moment a child is born to them having conversations with you, it's weird. | ||
| It's very weird. | ||
| It's like you remember when there's no baby, and then there's a baby, and then all of a sudden they're talking. | ||
| It's like you're keeping up with their development, but you're not really developing that much. | ||
| And you're just watching these creatures. | ||
| I mean, you are, but not like they are. | ||
| Like, they're learning how to talk and walk, and they're learning games, and they're playing sports, and they're doing different things. | ||
| They're learning musical instruments and stuff, and you're like, whoa! | ||
| You're watching these little sponges of information evolve and grow before you, and then the next thing you know, like, they're teenagers. | ||
| And that experience, like, if you're not there, And see that experience, like watching a human being go from being a baby to being a young teenager, I don't think you're ever going to appreciate it. | ||
| We like to think of people as static things. | ||
| It's like a weird thing we do. | ||
| Where if I know you and you're 43 years old, I say, oh, Neil's always been 43. This is 43-year-old Neil. | ||
| But I didn't know you when you were three days old. | ||
| I didn't see this arc that you went through to get to where you are. | ||
| So I think because of that and because we're so egocentric and we're worried about ourselves right now, We often see people like, this is how you've always been. | ||
| This is who you always are. | ||
| This is how you are with everybody. | ||
| The way you are with me is how you are with everybody. | ||
| And I don't think we... | ||
| I don't really appreciate the arc of development that human beings go through unless you're there for it. | ||
| Unless maybe you have a younger brother or sister and you get to see them grow up in front of your eyes when you're already... | ||
| Yeah, that's the thing. | ||
| I almost think one of the reasons I don't want kids is because I never had a younger brother or sister to watch. | ||
| Right. | ||
| You know what I mean? | ||
| Well, I have a younger sister, but she's only one year younger, so we basically grew up together. | ||
| Got it. | ||
| But I think that that does aid in people's decision making. | ||
| Like if you're a sister and you're the oldest sister and you have to babysit the younger one and you really like it and you like taking care of kids, well that's a good sign. | ||
| Maybe you should have kids. | ||
| But when you're watching your own kids grow and develop, it's like very eye-opening. | ||
| It just makes you really take into account All the various factors that are involved in making a human being and developing a well-rounded, healthy human being. | ||
| And is it... | ||
| Where are you on Nature Nurture? | ||
| Do you see them at forks? | ||
| Do you see them come to a fork in existence and make a decision? | ||
| And you're like, wow, if they'd gone that... | ||
| And by the way, it's not even a decision. | ||
| It's just an inclination. | ||
| Well, I think you want your children to be able to make decisions for themselves, but it's like how many and how far? | ||
| Like, at what point do you feel like, you know, you need to impose some guidance or some discipline if they do something fucked up, like if they break into your liquor cabinet and steal all your booze and their 13-year-old buddies are blacked out on the floor, like, hey, we got a problem here. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| Like, you guys just drank my booze and you're 13. Yeah. | ||
| And there's also, maybe the 14-year-old would do it and the 12-year-old, they had different personalities. | ||
| You've got to communicate with them, but their kids are going to do kid stuff. | ||
| They do the same stuff that we did when we were kids. | ||
| We check your father's drawer for joints. | ||
| You steal Playboys. | ||
| You know, you do, it's normal stuff. | ||
| Kids are these little human beings that are growing and developing. | ||
| And I think one of the most important things is having conversations with them like they're regular people. | ||
| That's not hard to do. | ||
| Like, you just talk to them like they're a regular person, and instead of trying to talk to them like a little kid, I mean, I'm very loving, but I'll oftentimes have conversations with them. | ||
| I'll try to explain things, like the way I can explain to an adult, and I try to get them to explain things to me. | ||
| You know, in a sort of very expressive way. | ||
| It's wild, man. | ||
| I don't know. | ||
| It sounds like a weirdly surreal experience. | ||
| It's very surreal. | ||
| It's very surreal. | ||
| And I started thinking of all people as babies. | ||
| I've been doing that too. | ||
| I've been doing that as if it's like all the things we sexualize, and I'm just in terms of women, and then I go like, she doesn't walk that way because she wants her ass to shake. | ||
| When she was two, she just started walking that way. | ||
| You know what I mean? | ||
| Just these things that happen. | ||
| And then we ascribe, like, motive. | ||
| It's like, no, it's just what fucking happened. | ||
| If a woman is wearing high heels, like stilettos, and she walks, that's how they walk. | ||
| Like, you have to walk that way with those things. | ||
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It's not like they're trying to get you to hoot and holler at them. | |
| Exactly. | ||
| Or like that's just how they started walking. | ||
| They walk in the balls of their feet or they walk... | ||
| That's how much women want to be hot. | ||
| They want to be hot so bad that they'll wear the dumbest shoes. | ||
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Yeah. | |
| That you can't get anything done in. | ||
| That don't fit, don't work. | ||
| You can't run in them. | ||
| Nope. | ||
| You can't fight to the death in them. | ||
| You can't get away from fucking wild animals. | ||
| There's not a damn thing you can do in those shoes. | ||
| Hierarchy. | ||
| What are your priorities? | ||
| You have these ridiculous stilts on. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| And they're making you stand up on your toes. | ||
| They probably are killing your feet. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| But damn, your ass looks great. | ||
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Yep. | |
| Makes your ass poke out. | ||
| Worth it. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| And it's more common than not. | ||
| Like, it's so accepted. | ||
| It's a weird paradox, but it gives them power. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| Because that sexual desire thing is a big... | ||
| A lot of attention. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| You know, I just spoke about this earlier. | ||
| You like the juice. | ||
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| Yeah, like that juice. | ||
| Alright, so I want to get back to the Spotify thing real quick. | ||
| So what do you, how does that information come to you? | ||
| How does it like, hey, this is a problem? | ||
| And then how do you then make a decision? | ||
| How long does that take? | ||
| Who do you talk to? | ||
| Or whatever you wanted to say. | ||
| Well, you know, there was several phone calls about it. | ||
| It was one of those things where it was like there was a lot going on. | ||
| Did you feel like you were in trouble or it was just like this is a pain in the ass? | ||
| Definitely be trouble. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| I mean, you got to think of having artists boycott it. | ||
| And, you know, being able to explain, like, what do you mean by misinformation? | ||
| Because I know people say things like that. | ||
| And they say things like misinformation. | ||
| But how much do you actually know about the subject? | ||
| And that's why I wanted to say in that video, this is what I actually know about the subject. | ||
| We're not talking about quacks. | ||
| We're talking about one of the guys who has nine patents on the invention of the mRNA vaccines. | ||
| These aren't nutty people. | ||
| They're like the leaders of their field. | ||
| Peter McCullough is the most published doctor in history in his field. | ||
| These are like very prominent physicians and doctors. | ||
| And so saying they're misinformation, you're buying into the bullshit. | ||
| And you're upset because you're old and vulnerable. | ||
| I get it. | ||
| And you don't want anybody denying science and spreading a virus. | ||
| I get it. | ||
| I get where you're coming from. | ||
| But what they're telling you is not true. | ||
| And what they're telling you about this being misinformation, if you have someone on who wants to go into in-depth discussion about whether or not this is a gain-of-function research lab virus that got accidentally released onto the world, there's a lot of evidence points to that. | ||
| But that shit would get you removed from YouTube just a year and a half ago. | ||
| They would pull you from online. | ||
| You wouldn't be able to say that. | ||
| But that's pretty much accepted fact. | ||
| There's like a 90-something percent certainty. | ||
| I think the last time they polled, is there a poll? | ||
| Let's find out if this is true, because I think I've read this on Reddit. | ||
| What percentage of people believe the lab leak hypothesis is the origin of COVID? Oh, I'm interested in that. | ||
| Like, anybody or, like, scientists? | ||
| Because I've heard people argue against it, that they think it's a natural spillover, but the arguments against that argument are very compelling. | ||
| Saying there's no animal model, that doesn't make any sense, and also, it's in the same fucking place where they had a COVID lab. | ||
| Like, duh. | ||
| It's right there. | ||
| This is where it started from. | ||
| When Jon Stewart was on Colbert, and he went on that rant, oh my god. | ||
| It was funny as fuck, because Stephen was frozen. | ||
| He tried to cock-block it. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| No, you don't mean that. | ||
| I'd like to see some evidence. | ||
| If you have any evidence, I'd like to see the evidence. | ||
| Like, what are you saying, man? | ||
| Why are you holding water for a Chinese bio lab? | ||
| Politico, Harvard poll. | ||
| Most Americans bleed COVID leak from a lab. | ||
| This is a year and a half ago, though. | ||
| Well, now it's probably everybody. | ||
| Okay. | ||
| Okay, so that's one poll. | ||
| I think there was like a poll amongst scientists. | ||
| I think what I had read was like in a conversation. | ||
| It's one of those weird things where I don't care where it's from and it just becomes an argument about like... | ||
| Oh, I fucking care. | ||
| You do? | ||
| How come? | ||
| Because there's funding behind that where the American taxpayers like helped fund this kind of research. | ||
| Oh, the gain of function. | ||
| This is research that Obama shut down. | ||
| Right. | ||
| And then during the Trump administration they're like, Fucking start it back up again, baby! | ||
| And people have been very deceptive about whether or not this research has ever even done. | ||
| You know, that's the famous Rand Paul. | ||
| Have you seen those Rand Paul-Fauci conversations where he's calling it gain-of-function research? | ||
| And Fauci's like... | ||
| Sticking to this very narrow definition of what gain-of-function is. | ||
| But the reality is they manipulated viruses and made them more contagious for humans. | ||
| That's what they did in that lab. | ||
| That's also an ongoing thing in science. | ||
| It's kind of part of science. | ||
| It's not some secret fucking nefarious lab. | ||
| It's just a thing that people do in science. | ||
| Well, they give money To different labs for different research projects. | ||
| And right when Fauci's leaving, he's retiring, he just gave another grant to the same people that they were accusing of doing this work. | ||
| So that's your sort of premise on why? | ||
| Because I'm still in the mind of like, okay, even when you say, because people gave money to it, is it just about like, don't pay these people? | ||
| Is it about stopping that process? | ||
| There should be some real conversations about why this was done. | ||
| Like, why are you doing that work? | ||
| Like, are you doing that work so that you can come up with better cures? | ||
| And where are those cures? | ||
| Or are you just doing the work to better understand viruses? | ||
| So you're risking making this highly contagious virus that may or may not get out just because you have research money. | ||
| They're doing it in tons of areas, though, right? | ||
| Like, am I misunderstanding that? | ||
| Oh, yeah. | ||
| They do it in Galveston. | ||
| Duncan and I went to the Galveston lab, and it's fucking crazy, dude. | ||
| They all got spacesuits on and vacuums attached to their heads and shit, and they're working. | ||
| And the guy was explaining to us, he goes, we are working with some of the most infectious, horrific diseases in the world. | ||
| They're right here. | ||
| And we're like, what the fuck? | ||
| Y'all, stop! | ||
| But he was saying that they weren't worried about man-made stuff. | ||
| He was saying that our biggest fear is some natural spillover that's catastrophic. | ||
| Something like the plague or... | ||
| And that that is really possible, and that's why they have to study these diseases. | ||
| It was a really wild thing, because he wasn't worried at all about what actually happened at the time. | ||
| Because this was like, I think when Duncan and I were around, was like, what was that, like 2013 or something? | ||
| So it was quite a while ago, and I don't think they were really worried about an engineered virus. | ||
| Something that was naturally designed to become more infectious so they could study how those things work. | ||
| Is there, in terms of information, misinformation, AI, deepfakes, that whole field, And even what Elon Musk running Twitter now, right? | ||
| Where do you fall on? | ||
| Because it's one of these things, like, I believe in... | ||
| There's got to be some sort of... | ||
| For lack of a better term, board, jury, some system in place for what is true and what is not true. | ||
| And when I talk these things out to people, I always end up in like, we all agree that there needs to be some board, we can't agree on who should be on the board. | ||
| How would you fucking do that with all the subjects? | ||
| Think about all the different subjects, whether it's pop culture or fucking entertainment or technology or medicine. | ||
| How many different experts would you have to employ to make sure that everything everyone says is true? | ||
| I think a better solution is mind reading. | ||
| And I think we're probably way closer to that. | ||
| Hear me out. | ||
| They're gonna come out with that Neuralink thing, and along with it, as it improves, and there's a bunch of different human neural interface computer things they're working on, different companies they're working on. | ||
| I love shit like that. | ||
| That's a bridge too far from where I'm like, I don't know, guys. | ||
| I think we're gonna have to adopt it. | ||
| I really genuinely do. | ||
| I think it's gonna be one of those things where the benefit of having it is gonna be so huge, and it's gonna really fuck with this whole haves and have-nots thing. | ||
| Because the people that get access to it quicker in the beginning, if it really does increase— What do you see this machine doing? | ||
| The way Elon describes it is increasing the bandwidth in which you can access information. | ||
| And he said, you're literally going to be able to talk without words. | ||
| To other people? | ||
| To other people. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| Is that something you want? | ||
| That's not the question. | ||
| The question is if someone gets that and they become really the next stage of human evolution and you're left behind, are you cool with that? | ||
| Oh, I know what you mean. | ||
| Because that might be what we become. | ||
| What we become is integrated. | ||
| Well, that's almost longevity. | ||
| You and I can afford longevity shit. | ||
| Most people can't. | ||
| Right. | ||
| Right? | ||
| Is that privilege? | ||
| Is that, should we legislate? | ||
| You know what I mean? | ||
| Should we make it so... | ||
| How do we level that playing field? | ||
| That's interesting, right? | ||
| But that just keeps you as a healthy human being. | ||
| What this is going to do is turn you into a new thing. | ||
| If you can get something that actually increases your intelligence, increases your capacity to think, to calculate, to access information, that it's all in your mind anytime you want it, and through whatever kind of interface they develop, if that becomes real, you'll have such a massive advantage in business and all these different things that require calculations and Well, that's like the AI thing. | ||
| Like, you look at the AI art. | ||
| It's fucking really fun. | ||
| Very good. | ||
| And funny as shit. | ||
| There's an app called Wonder. | ||
| And just hours. | ||
| Why? | ||
| Just Neil Brennan at NASCAR and just the photos they made, just whatever. | ||
| You could do it endlessly, right? | ||
| Yeah, it's amazing how quickly that has emerged, right? | ||
| These new softwares. | ||
| Did you read the one that's like joke-based? | ||
| There's a joke-based AI? No. | ||
| Joe, it's not bad. | ||
| It's not funny yet, but it's like you can see how it could be. | ||
| So I think it will be like bodybuilding where there's clean competitions and assisted competitions. | ||
| Or like, yeah, but of course a bot's funnier than me. | ||
| Right. | ||
| Like it, you know what I mean? | ||
| Like it's going to get to the point where there's, if there's an, that art thing, the one that won the competition, it's a fucking really nice painting or whatever the fuck you call it. | ||
| Really nice creation. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| But it's not even... | ||
| It's like to say it's not... | ||
| You can't have it competing against humans. | ||
| No. | ||
| So that's I think what you're saying is like, well, what do we do? | ||
| I think they'll just be like divisions where... | ||
| The problem is though, if that's what human beings are going to become ultimately, we seem to be totally reliant on technology. | ||
| Everybody accepts that. | ||
| Everyone has a phone. | ||
| Everyone has email. | ||
| Everyone has a computer. | ||
| You know, when they first came out, the personal computer, there were so many people that were saying, this is the dumbest idea ever. | ||
| Who the fuck is going to want a computer in their house? | ||
| Now everyone has a computer. | ||
| If all of this becomes integrated into the human body, our level of acceptance of it right now is 100%. | ||
| And it's not weird in any world to carry a phone. | ||
| Well, that's funny how insidious it is, where it's not... | ||
| It's slow. | ||
| It's slow moving, but it's... | ||
| But it's basically in your body. | ||
| Yeah, basically, yeah. | ||
| Even if it's not Bluetooth, it's an appendage at this point that we welcome. | ||
| And by the way, it didn't happen overnight, although I remember having a sidekick in 03 and being pretty hooked on it. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| Like, pretty quickly, like, oh, this is very valuable. | ||
| Yeah, people loved the sidekick. | ||
| You got a full keyboard and everything. | ||
| Forget it. | ||
| Forget it. | ||
| What are we talking about? | ||
| Flip it up there. | ||
| Fuckin' for you. | ||
| Click! | ||
| Fuckin' you were king of the world. | ||
| Yeah, if you were cool. | ||
| That was like when Paris Hilton was in full bloom. | ||
| Couldn't tell me shit. | ||
| She had a sidekick. | ||
| Yeah, you're goddamn right she did. | ||
| But the question is... | ||
| This is a separate discussion, but it's almost like if you took a... | ||
| You know when they do the, is America on the right track? | ||
| And they vote yes or no? | ||
| If you ask most humans, is Earth on the right track? | ||
| They'd be like, nah, I don't think this is good. | ||
| I don't think where we're headed is good. | ||
| And the thing with the implant, I agree with you. | ||
| But it's the same way I take Instagram off my phone. | ||
| There might be, like, zones where there's no, you know... | ||
| No head implants? | ||
| No head implants beyond this point. | ||
| I think once they invent them, it's over. | ||
| I think everyone's gonna adopt it, the same way we adopted shoes. | ||
| I think people are gonna realize that having some sort of a computer interface that's far superior in so many ways. | ||
| To your human brain. | ||
| To human memory. | ||
| What if you could offload your visual memory to like HD video? | ||
| That was like an episode of The Dark Mirror, wasn't it? | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| That's not outside the realm of possibility. | ||
| If they do start installing chips in people's brains, We will have a super accurate recording of everything you do. | ||
| Everything you've done. | ||
| And if at any point in time someone accuses you of something, there's no more opinion. | ||
| Well that's the problem with China. | ||
| You go to China, they scan your face. | ||
| They're tracking you the whole time. | ||
| I was thinking, like, I couldn't do drugs. | ||
| I couldn't go. | ||
| If I go somewhere to do something fucked up, and I'm Chinese, you cannot be a dissident after that point. | ||
| Because they go, what are we doing? | ||
| We have video. | ||
| We have cameras. | ||
| There's a hundred million cameras in China. | ||
| We're watching you through your eyes. | ||
| Well, that's where we're going. | ||
| That's what I'm saying. | ||
| What I'm saying is they won't have to wonder whether or not you committed a crime. | ||
| They'll be able to literally watch you do it. | ||
| Right, and then they will also be able to prevent you from doing it. | ||
| Yeah, and if you get to a point where we are all online together, like our minds are connected, who's running the server? | ||
| Well, I told Santino this the other day. | ||
| I've pitched it on here before. | ||
| Presbot. | ||
| Robot president. | ||
| AI president. | ||
| Put all the information of human history into an AI. All human psychology, outcomes, and it would be the competition of, well, what, are we doing Howard Zinn's History of America? | ||
| Are we doing the textbook's History of America? | ||
| Are we doing critical race theory? | ||
| Are we doing whatever? | ||
| All of the, that's where the fight would be. | ||
| But that, to me, is getting to the point of, like, There's a lot of fucking human error, and it's a lot of dumb, he's tall shit that could be prevented by some form of... | ||
| I mean, I guess it's artificial, but I don't know. | ||
| What do you think a robot president would do about Ukraine? | ||
| I think it would... | ||
| I think... | ||
| Again, it's my own liberal slant, so I think he would support it with a cutoff date. | ||
| Oh, Jesus. | ||
| And then what happens at the cutoff day? | ||
| You leave him alone and Russia just comes storming in. | ||
| Or you just... | ||
| You feel super guilty. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| Yeah, I don't know. | ||
| Afghanistan. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| Afghanistan, what do you think they should have... | ||
| I mean, Afghanistan should have been a police mission. | ||
| It's the thing they always said. | ||
| Robot president would have never got us into either one of those. | ||
| Robot president would have done the calculations and said, this is not going to end well. | ||
| Like, look, we've actually thought this out. | ||
| We planned it out. | ||
| But robot president... | ||
| Do you think robot president would have gamed out Ukraine and come to the... | ||
| Like, gone like, no, they can fight them. | ||
| They can fight them, and if they have international support... | ||
| Because even if you game out Ukraine... | ||
| Alright, so let Russia take it. | ||
| I don't think that's positive. | ||
| I don't even think robot president would like that. | ||
| So robot president would say we have to risk some lives to save the territory. | ||
| Yeah, because the spread of ideology, government, it's not good to just have like G7 fucking governments in taking just land willy-nilly. | ||
| And then the argument that Putin had was that NATO kept encroaching on its borders. | ||
| They were trying to get Ukraine to join NATO. And that would have too many consequences for him. | ||
| Yeah, which seems like that struck me as a fake argument. | ||
| Struck me as a... | ||
| It was a good... | ||
| It was a bit of the Saddam Hussein thing where it was like... | ||
| Do you have nuclear... | ||
| You have nukes and all that stuff. | ||
| And I think Hussein's point was like, I don't want my neighbors to know what I have. | ||
| So if it's all the same to you guys, I'd like to keep it a little mysterious as to what I have and not make it... | ||
| Yeah, I'm not crazy about inspectors. | ||
| So I think with Putin, it was like he didn't... | ||
| I don't buy the fact that NATO was going to invade Russia. | ||
| I don't think that was a real threat. | ||
| No one was ever saying NATO was going to invade Russia. | ||
| What they were saying was that by them moving their missiles closer to Russia, it made an initial first attack much more convenient, and it also violated the treaty that they signed. | ||
| What was it? | ||
| There was a... | ||
| What was the agreement that they had? | ||
| It was like there was an agreement somewhere around, I want to say 94 or something like that, where they discussed making sure that Well, what's funny is the counter is... | ||
| NATO couldn't get their miss. | ||
| I forget the distance. | ||
| Ukraine made a deal with Russia, we'll give up our nukes, as long as you never invade us. | ||
| So it's like, which, if I'm the robot, I'm like, hey, there's contradictory information here. | ||
| Do you know what I mean? | ||
| Like, there's... | ||
| Even you and I discuss in some of the things we've discussed today, the nursing shortage, right? | ||
| Or the healthcare. | ||
| Your take on it is because they were fired because they wouldn't get vaxxed. | ||
| I have all the takes. | ||
| I do. | ||
| I can see all the scenarios. | ||
| And that's, like, our discussion is kind of America. | ||
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Mm-hmm. | |
| And I'm going, no, it was a shitty job. | ||
| And you're going like, yeah, it was a shitty job. | ||
| And I go, yeah, they did fires. | ||
| I know people that had to decide whether to get vaxxed to keep their nursing job. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| I know people that did. | ||
| But also, it's a hard job. | ||
| It's hard to keep people on hard jobs. | ||
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Of course. | |
| Yeah. | ||
| It's a thankless, shitty, yeah, of course. | ||
| Fucking hard work. | ||
| And they work crazy hours and you're watching people die all the time. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| Not a lot of fun. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| But to the thread we're on... | ||
| The... | ||
| Yeah, it's like what... | ||
| The AI thing and having a sentient or not even sentient leader or... | ||
| And then who's like the... | ||
| Who are the generals underneath? | ||
| You know what I mean? | ||
| Like who implements what Prezbot says? | ||
| Do we take it? | ||
| Are there a few AIs? | ||
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No. | |
| And then there's a super, it's like, it's a bit like self-driving where it's like, self-driving, I don't believe it will happen because self-driving algorithms will have to decide, run over the old person or the baby? | ||
| Right, right. | ||
| How do you insure that? | ||
| Jesus Christ. | ||
| How do you get insurance? | ||
| What do you do? | ||
| Old person? | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| And I do. | ||
| Four old people, one baby. | ||
| Five old people, two teenagers. | ||
| Like, again, gifted old person. | ||
| Lumpy teenager. | ||
| You know that's and that's the all those things that's where when I when Ilan bought this shit, I'm like Fucking dude. | ||
| Why do that to yourself? | ||
| Why do that to yourself? | ||
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Like what a fucking pain it wouldn't Everybody is freaking out. | |
| What a hair suit that is to put on apparently like a lot of people have left but more people have come on and Yeah, I don't know what their expectation is. | ||
| Well, I don't know what their expectation is either. | ||
| But what he wanted to do was have a place where people could actually debate things and talk about things and not worry about being censored just because you have a different political philosophy. | ||
| You have different perspectives on worldviews and events and things. | ||
| And I think that's valid. | ||
| But whether or not you can do that at scale and not have any content moderation at all, what would the content moderation be like? | ||
| Would it be like exactly what Twitter had in place? | ||
| Because you use AI for a lot of that stuff. | ||
| They flag words and things like that. | ||
| Or do you do it in a different way? | ||
| Are you more lenient? | ||
| And if you are more lenient, what are the consequences of that? | ||
| And then what are the consequences of the advertisers? | ||
| This is where you just get into like, fuck. | ||
| Right. | ||
| What if the advertisers decide they don't want to use you anymore because they're not confident of their products being advertised on a website where people don't have restrictions on what they can say? | ||
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Yeah. | |
| Which is actually happening. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| And the amount of hate speech and all that stuff, which is like, I don't think you think it's good. | ||
| I don't think he thinks it's good. | ||
| I don't think the most free speech absolutist turns out free speech except no impressions of me. | ||
| Well, I think the problem was people were using his photo and writing his name. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| That it was Elon Musk. | ||
| And so it looked exactly like his avatar that he uses. | ||
| Good bet. | ||
| And then they're writing a bunch of ridiculous shit. | ||
| Right. | ||
| Good bet. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| I don't think you're supposed to fight that. | ||
| I think if I was him and Sarah Silverman said I made poopy or something like that. | ||
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Yeah. | |
| Yeah. | ||
| All right. | ||
| Okay. | ||
| I thought comedy was legal, buddy. | ||
| Yeah, you know, when you make a law against people pretending to be people, and then you say it has to say satire. | ||
| Yeah, it's not a law. | ||
| It's like just what you want. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| And also, if he did you, he wouldn't have cared. | ||
| Or me, you know, somebody else, he would have just been like, oh, Joe's funny, he's got a good sense of humor, whatever. | ||
| Yeah, would he let you do that if you wanted to try to pretend to be like Queen of England? | ||
| Or if you did Kathy Griffin. | ||
| Right, exactly, exactly. | ||
| I bet it would have been fine if people were impersonating. | ||
| That's where it's like, why do this to yourself? | ||
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Yeah. | |
| Well, it's also, it's like, you know, we're talking about the negativity of reading comments, and even the positive comments are probably not good for you. | ||
| I think that applies to everybody. | ||
| And I think it applies to everyone with 149 million Twitter followers. | ||
| You're interacting with too many minds. | ||
| As smart as he is, and he's probably the smartest man alive, I don't know if anyone has the capacity to be normal while interacting with that many people. | ||
| Online and like reading tweets and responding to tweets and and take I just I think he lives in an extreme world meaning wealth Input yeah, he's got a probably not even probably he's got an extreme brain. | ||
| He's got an extremely powerful brain. | ||
| Yeah, he's got extremely powerful influence. | ||
| He's just got it's at all extremes and You know, he likes the juice. | ||
| He likes the juice. | ||
| He likes the juice. | ||
| So it's hard. | ||
| And there's no regulation. | ||
| You know, it's like manic. | ||
| Bipolar people don't like taking the medication because it takes the high off. | ||
| Really? | ||
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Yeah. | |
| Yeah, they don't... | ||
| You get... | ||
| It gets rid of the low, but it gets rid of the high. | ||
| And the high is fucking glorious. | ||
| You know? | ||
| Yeah, you don't want that numb middle. | ||
| Yeah, but so... | ||
| That's what they put Kanye on, right? | ||
| They had him on some... | ||
| Remember when he got... | ||
| What they put him in... | ||
| What kind of medical facility was it? | ||
| What do they call them now? | ||
| Sanitariums? | ||
| What do they call them when someone put you in a mental health facility? | ||
| Yeah, mental health facility, yeah. | ||
| That was when he came out and he was just kind of like... | ||
| Yeah! | ||
| And this is the thing that I think about free speech, AI. It's... | ||
| Kanye on medication is a tragedy. | ||
| Yeah, Kanye off medication has the potential to create some bomb-ass songs. | ||
| But also, it's a tragedy. | ||
| Also, it's a tragedy. | ||
| What's going on right now is. | ||
| What's going on right now is tragedy, for sure. | ||
| I heard a song he made six weeks ago. | ||
| Excellent. | ||
| Of course it's great. | ||
| Excellent. | ||
| That same personality that makes music to just powerful, bang, bang, bang, that coming out with just words, it's like sometimes the wrong words come out and then you have to defend those wrong words. | ||
| It's like how much reading and thinking are you doing on these subjects and how much you're just used to espousing your opinions on things with full confidence all the time. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| On things that are very nuanced and complicated. | ||
| And then does anybody talk to you about this? | ||
| Well, I don't... | ||
| But when you're... | ||
| Billionaire. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| You're not getting... | ||
| You've lost... | ||
| You don't have access to... | ||
| No one's gonna be straight with you. | ||
| It's just... | ||
| You don't even have to have a billion. | ||
| You could have 10 million people aren't gonna be straight with you. | ||
| No. | ||
| You're hiring everyone. | ||
| You're picking up every... | ||
| It's just... | ||
| It's a... | ||
| It's... | ||
| In some ways, I think, with Kyrie Irving and Kanye, I told somebody it's like algorithmic personality disorder, where you start off a little, and then you go, right, eh, further right, further right, further right, because you watch. | ||
| It does it to you now? | ||
| Explain. | ||
| Kyrie posted a link in his story to a video. | ||
| And this is why he's getting in trouble. | ||
| But isn't that video for sale on Amazon? | ||
| Yeah, no. | ||
| Somebody said that. | ||
| It's an excellent point. | ||
| That's the craziest thing ever. | ||
| It's an excellent point. | ||
| Kyrie is getting in trouble. | ||
| And Amazon's not? | ||
| Yeah. | ||
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What? | |
| You want all this from him because he watched a video and he sent a link to it that you're selling. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| That's fucking wild. | ||
| This speaks to the thing we were talking about earlier, which is it used to be... | ||
| Amazon considers disclaimer to anti-Semitic film. | ||
| Oh, good for them. | ||
| Nice. | ||
| Consider it. | ||
| That Irving shared online. | ||
| The company said it was working with the Anti-Defamation League to potentially... | ||
| Potentially. | ||
| Add language to the page that viewers see before buying or renting the film. | ||
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Meanwhile, the film is still for sale. | |
| They want him to give up a half a million dollars. | ||
| They want him to make a public apology. | ||
| They want him to talk to different leaders. | ||
| Yep. | ||
| And the fucking video, all he did is post a link. | ||
| What did he say? | ||
| Did he say this video is amazing and I agree 100% with everything it says? | ||
| I think he wasn't like hate sharing it. | ||
| Even if he did Like, go and watch that video and say, I like that video. | ||
| The video's for sale on Amazon. | ||
| I agree. | ||
| That's wild. | ||
| That no one has an issue with that. | ||
| Well, that's where you're into... | ||
| I mean, I was doing a joke about it. | ||
| It's like, I'd way rather be Jeff Bezos than fucking Taylor Swift. | ||
| Taylor Swift gets, a lot of celebs are getting dinged for flying private. | ||
| They're for the environment except for private Jeff. | ||
| And Jeff Bezos could wear a fur jumpsuit. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| With a fucking, with a bald eagle around, like, and he's got, and no one has any expectations. | ||
| And the other thing is, Jeff Bezos goes, do you want the moisturizer in 40 minutes or not? | ||
| What are we playing? | ||
| What are you telling me? | ||
| And he's retired. | ||
| I mean, yeah, or the proverbial Jeff Bezos. | ||
| Like, there's no standard expectation for him. | ||
| There is for Kyrie because he has all these corporate partnerships and the NBA is like, yo, fucking... | ||
| But it's not that. | ||
| It's that he's an influential individual and he's a basketball player and he's a huge star. | ||
| Jeff Bezos is just a guy who owns a company, but the company... | ||
| Is not him. | ||
| The company has this video for sale. | ||
| But Jeff Bezos and Amazon would kill themselves if they only had Kyrie's influence. | ||
| Of course. | ||
| I mean, what Kyrie has is relative to Amazon. | ||
| No one's defending this. | ||
| No one's defending this. | ||
| On either side. | ||
| But what I am saying is it's pretty wild that that video is for sale. | ||
| And he's in trouble. | ||
| Totally agree. | ||
| I want to talk about what it used to be like. | ||
| Let's read this here. | ||
| Amazon said the film did undergo review before becoming available online, though it declined to provide details of the review and how it concluded that the film did not violate the prohibition on hate speech. | ||
| What is this movie? | ||
| What is it? | ||
| I don't even know what it is. | ||
| I think it's like, remember that book, The Protocols of the Elders of Zion? | ||
| No. | ||
| It's just a conspiracy. | ||
| What is it? | ||
| This is basically saying like, you know those dudes who yell in Times Square at the Hebrew Israelites? | ||
| Here it is. | ||
| It's their movie. | ||
| Mr. Irving tweeted a link to Amazon for a documentary called Hebrews to Negroes. | ||
| Hebrews to Negroes wake up black America, which includes extensive anti-Semitism, such as claims that Jews control the media and that millions of Jews did not die during the Holocaust. | ||
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Huh. | |
| The Holocaust denial is a tough one. | ||
| So is that... | ||
| Does the film say no one died? | ||
| Or does it say less people than they say died? | ||
| People love to stick their neck into hornets' nests. | ||
| If you deny the numbers of people that died in the Holocaust, what are you trying to say? | ||
| You trying to say it wasn't bad? | ||
| Well, it's pointless. | ||
| It's pretty well documented. | ||
| Well, it wasn't actually seven. | ||
| It's more like three. | ||
| It's the Cosby argument. | ||
| It's like, Pete didn't rape all them bitches. | ||
| Eight of them. | ||
| Yeah, it is the silly... | ||
| How many do you think died? | ||
| I just want to know. | ||
| That's what I'd say to them. | ||
| What do you think? | ||
| You think it was a thousand? | ||
| Yeah, but I think guys like that go, it's not my place to know. | ||
| It's like... | ||
| It's too easy. | ||
| The information is too easy to attain now. | ||
| You used to, in the 90s, you had to go to a store. | ||
| You gotta go to a library. | ||
| I don't even think it was a library. | ||
| It was more like an independent bookstore, like a weird kind of hippie, and they'd have a UFO book, and they'd have a DMT book, and they'd have a Bigfoot book, and it's basically your podcast. | ||
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| That's what your podcast is. | ||
| It's just all these. | ||
| I remember there was one in L.A., and that's where I got the tape of celebrities cussing, celebrities at their worst CD. That's hilarious. | ||
| And they just had all those books, and then there was one. | ||
| It's number six this week. | ||
| That's very funny. | ||
| I was talking to Chris Rock about this last night. | ||
| We were talking about how many they've sold and how they're selling it for... | ||
| How much does it cost? | ||
| The paperback of the book. | ||
| The hardcover is $44. | ||
| That's how much it costs to buy also for the movie. | ||
| It's $11 to rent. | ||
| The movie you buy, it's $40? | ||
| There's a book version that came out first and then they made a movie of the book. | ||
| But how much is the movie? | ||
| $40 to buy. | ||
| It's number six this week. | ||
| This is the book that I have up. | ||
| The book is on the Amazon charts. | ||
| It was also number one at one point, too. | ||
| So the book is number six, and it was number one. | ||
| And this video is number what? | ||
| Did they tell you how many people were watching the video? | ||
| I just clicked whatever was on Google when it took me to the book. | ||
| Does Amazon have a thing where they let you see how many views it's getting? | ||
| No, I don't think so. | ||
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| Well, I guarantee it's a lot. | ||
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| All right, here's the question. | ||
| So they're selling it. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| So Amazon must get a piece of that? | ||
| How does that work? | ||
| How does it work? | ||
| Amazon gets a piece of it. | ||
| So it's like a percentage thing, like Apple Store? | ||
| Like that kind of deal? | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| I mean, yeah. | ||
| Wow. | ||
| They're getting their... | ||
| It's like any... | ||
| It's not even an app. | ||
| It's a distribution fee. | ||
| Whatever. | ||
| All right, so here's the question. | ||
| Here's the question. | ||
| What do we... | ||
| So with misinformation... | ||
| How do we... | ||
| Do you think we just have to be open, like something of a free-for-all? | ||
| Whether that's misinformation... | ||
| Holocaust denial, right? | ||
| Just as like a thing. | ||
| Because this is the thing that Zuckerberg said. | ||
| If somebody posted Holocaust denial on Facebook, he'd accept it. | ||
| And then a couple years later, he was like, you know... | ||
| I've had a change of heart. | ||
| I think I would try to get rid of it. | ||
| Do we do a free-for-all? | ||
| And if that leads to the demise of humanity, so be it? | ||
| Or do we have some mechanism? | ||
| Because that seems to be the argument whenever – because people go, I don't think – I think Alex Jones should be able to say whatever he wants. | ||
| I think whoever can say whatever they want and then they – and we have to let the chips fall where they may because I don't trust any human being to be in charge of this. | ||
| So we just have to see where this takes us. | ||
| Because there was a thing with WhatsApp, for example, owned by Meta, Mark Zuckerberg, and there was a thing. | ||
| There's a lot of misinformation on WhatsApp. | ||
| They'll just blast people. | ||
| They'll just blast numbers. | ||
| And in the Myanmar Civil War, there was a thing. | ||
| If you look this up, it'd be great. | ||
| Because there was a thing where they blasted misinformation. | ||
| And a bunch of people went to some location and were slaughtered. | ||
| It was a setup, basically. | ||
| Now a free speech absolutist would say... | ||
| A genocide incited on Facebook with posts from Myanmar's military. | ||
| Wow. | ||
| So that's 2018. Hmm. | ||
| They posed as fans of pop stars and national heroes as they flooded Facebook with their hatred. | ||
| One said Islam was a global threat to Buddhism. | ||
| Another shared a false story about the rape of a Buddhist woman by a Muslim man. | ||
| The Facebook posts were not from everyday internet users. | ||
| Instead, they were from Myanmar military personnel who turned the social network into a tool for ethnic cleansing. | ||
| According to former military officials, researchers, and civilian officials in the country. | ||
| That's another problem with social media, is that there's a very distinct real number, whatever the number is, where those accounts aren't real. | ||
| Whatever the number is, they know that hundreds of thousands of them Are fake and come from these Russian troll farms and there's people that use them to manipulate you with with Businesses and I mean even Howard Stern was calling for that remember there was that video that came out about him or saying hey make a bunch of fake Twitter accounts and and text and tweet to celebrities right and that's you know, | ||
| it's like Donald Rumsfeld said that's the cost of living in a free society freedom's messy the question is is The you read more that people got fucking yeah thousands people maybe tens of thousands yeah based on fake posts yeah, what's what I'm saying is like There's all sorts of ways people manipulate social media. | ||
| The fact that you could just communicate to people, like, instantaneously, it's really magical, pretty amazing. | ||
| But the problem that comes along with that is that you're going to get people manipulating it, and you're going to get people that can really have a great deal of impact on the way people see and think about things. | ||
| And you could do that for your own best interest or you could do that like they did it and slaughter a bunch of people. | ||
| You could do that to try to make people aware of a situation, to sell a product, to do it. | ||
| But the bottom line is- Or say elections were stolen. | ||
| It's not people. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| And you could say it in a Trump room or you can go to the Democrats and argue with them about it and you stir up shit. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| And it's not real people. | ||
| That's the thing that's fucked. | ||
| If I know you're a human being and you're trolling, that's one thing. | ||
| Oh, that guy's a troll. | ||
| But at least I can identify you. | ||
| That's the one human being. | ||
| I know who he is. | ||
| If you're a part of some Macedonia troll farm and you're just spamming in multiple different accounts. | ||
| They're real people, though. | ||
| Yeah, but if you are doing it for a very specific purpose, you work for a company that's doing that. | ||
| You just want to fuck with whatever country's election or whatever country's... | ||
| With everything that happens. | ||
| With democracy itself. | ||
| But what is the percentage of that? | ||
| I want to know what the number is. | ||
| Because if the number really is... | ||
| People thought that the number on Twitter could be as low as 5%, or some crazy people think it might be as high as 80%. | ||
| What was that argument? | ||
| That was by a guy who was some sort of securities expert, correct? | ||
| And he said, like, on the high end, he'd think it might be like 80% bullshit accounts. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| Okay, so that's the world. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| What do we do? | ||
| Charge eight bucks. | ||
| That's what Elon's gonna do. | ||
| If you make people pay eight bucks, that might be the only way you can get people to not have fake accounts. | ||
| But they would still have fake accounts. | ||
| Yeah, they're gonna game it. | ||
| What I'm saying is... | ||
| It would be very valuable, right? | ||
| If you did have an account, if it only cost you eight bucks, To create a whole new account, and you use that account for propaganda, and you could- Money well spent. | ||
| Incredibly well spent. | ||
| You could do a lot of stuff with that money. | ||
| Yeah, but what I'm saying is, King Joe, what do you do? | ||
| How do you, like, what do you do? | ||
| What do you do about Alex saying that there were crisis actors? | ||
| What do you do about people exercising free speech That's not true. | ||
| What do you do? | ||
| That's a good question. | ||
| Do you counter it with truth? | ||
| And do you let it all play out until people get a chance to understand what's correct and what's incorrect? | ||
| I think a lot of times it's too late. | ||
| Myanmar would be an example by the time they realize that it's too late. | ||
| That seems particularly different because they use that app to Spam people. | ||
| Yeah, but I think that... | ||
| Or Alex does... | ||
| You know, Alex says that they're crisis actors in Connecticut, and then those families' lives are ruined three times worse than they would have been ruined. | ||
| Their kids died. | ||
| You know what I mean? | ||
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It's... | |
| I... It's a good question. | ||
| And that's what I'm saying. | ||
| Like, as a person... | ||
| I don't know how to handle these things. | ||
| Thinking about it, I'm like, I have no fucking idea. | ||
| No, I don't think anybody does. | ||
| There's free speech absolutists, and there's people that are willing to forgive people for past mistakes, and there's people that will never forgive you for anything, and they want you punished and removed from the air if you made a mistake, or if you say something incorrect, or if you, you know... | ||
| You give out misinformation. | ||
| They're talking about mal-information now, which is really wild. | ||
| It's like using... | ||
| Intentionally bad? | ||
| True information, but using it out of context, or using it in a context that could be dangerous. | ||
| I don't even need to look at it. | ||
| What do you do? | ||
| I just don't know what to do. | ||
| I'm not bullshitting when I say the read minds thing is our way out of this. | ||
| I really think that. | ||
| I think we really are not going to know what the fuck people mean or think or feel or what their motives are. | ||
| Do you know how many relationships are going to fall apart once we can read minds? | ||
| Most of them. | ||
| So many people are going to know people's secret feelings about them, or know their intentions, or know that they'll have a plan to stay with you for seven years and then take you to the cleaners. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| But until that happens, that sounds like 40 years. | ||
| What do we do about... | ||
| We let people sort it out. | ||
| You can't have anybody in control. | ||
| I'm kind of of the mind that people can't be trusted to sort it out. | ||
| We're not... | ||
| It's too many inputs. | ||
| I have to pee so bad that I can't concentrate on this conversation. | ||
| But we'll come right back to it. | ||
| Whether or not people can fucking handle it. | ||
| We'll come right back. | ||
| I couldn't concentrate. | ||
| I can't hold this P in any longer. | ||
| I can't listen to this guy. | ||
| There's such a narrow bandwidth of your fucking focus. | ||
| You can't form sentences anymore. | ||
| Whether or not people can handle it. | ||
| We're kind of handling it. | ||
| This is like an unprecedented influx of information and people are kind of handling it. | ||
| You know, the one thing they're doing is they're distrusting corporate news sources that have been lying to them over and over and over again. | ||
| What's filling that void though? | ||
| Independent news sources. | ||
| Independent news sources where people know that these people are telling you the truth. | ||
| They're telling you what they really feel. | ||
| They're not influenced by any network executives. | ||
| People like Breaking Points with Crystal and Sagar and the Jimmy Dore show. | ||
| There's quite a few shows that are doing very well during this time. | ||
| Wouldn't you argue they all have their own biases, though? | ||
| Yes, exactly. | ||
| For sure. | ||
| But I was going to say, even if you don't agree with them, they don't lie. | ||
| They don't distribute propaganda. | ||
| They don't lie. | ||
| And what they're putting out is, even if it's their opinion and you disagree with it, At least they're not lying about any facts. | ||
| They might not be correct all the time. | ||
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Right. | |
| Well, that's what I'm saying. | ||
| It's like it might be misinformed. | ||
| It might be biased. | ||
| Well, it's like you can find multiple studies that give you different data points on certain things, right? | ||
| There's studies. | ||
| If you want to look, you can find a study that says this. | ||
| If you want to look, you can find a study that opposes that. | ||
| So it's like, how much research have they actually done into each individual subject? | ||
| And do you agree with their conclusions? | ||
| There's always that. | ||
| But they're not liars. | ||
| And everyone on TV is a fucking liar. | ||
| Like, they're paid to lie. | ||
| Like, you see it over and over again. | ||
| That famous speech where Rachel Maddow is saying, if you get vaccinated, the virus stops with you. | ||
| You can't give it to anyone else. | ||
| She's literally saying medical misinformation on television. | ||
| Right. | ||
| And she's saying it to convince you to do a medical procedure. | ||
| She's not a fucking doctor! | ||
| No, I would argue she's just being hopeful. | ||
| I don't believe so. | ||
| No, I believe they are, well, for sure, they know that the government was encouraging people to do this. | ||
| And that they were contacting people on different shows and encouraging them to promote the vaccine. | ||
| So she's doing this in a way that's just not true at all. | ||
| I would argue it's not true at all, but it's certainly biased. | ||
| How would you argue that it is true in any way? | ||
| The vaccine doesn't stop transmission and it doesn't stop you from getting infected. | ||
| Did she believe that at the time? | ||
| She could have believed it. | ||
| She could have believed it. | ||
| But that's what I'm saying. | ||
| I don't think that she's willfully lying. | ||
| They did tell you in the beginning that it would do that. | ||
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Right. | |
| That's what I'm saying. | ||
| I don't think she's lying. | ||
| Whoever came up with that data knew that wasn't true. | ||
| They're admitting that they never even tested it. | ||
| I'm with you that there's a lot of hopeful... | ||
| Did you see the conversation where that woman was having with a Pfizer CEO where they asked her whether or not they tested it to prevent infection? | ||
| And she said they didn't. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| So to even say that, like someone had to tell Rachel Maddow. | ||
| Maybe she's not lying, but someone had to tell her. | ||
| Something that's absolutely not true. | ||
| That's what I'm talking about. | ||
| That's my point. | ||
| That's why they don't listen to them anymore. | ||
| I get it. | ||
| I really get that. | ||
| People are engaging with independent people, whether it's Glenn Greenwald or Matt Taibbi, independent journalists, that will tell you what they really feel about things. | ||
| And that is what's emerging from this confusion that's promising to me. | ||
| That's going to have its own pitfalls, though, which is it's just a different bias. | ||
| There's no solution. | ||
| I know! | ||
| That's Thomas Sowell. | ||
| There's no solution, only trade-offs. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| He's right. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| And that's the thing of, like, I... I understand the disgust, frustration with mainstream media. | ||
| Like, I fucking get it. | ||
| I think it's valuable, but I get the... | ||
| No, there's something valuable about the New York Times. | ||
| There's something valuable about the Washington Post. | ||
| But the more times they fuck things up and get things wrong and distort things, the more that value decreases. | ||
| Totally agree. | ||
| The price that they pay... | ||
| Completely agree. | ||
| For being biased and being woke and all the horseshit that they say, when they know it's like at least partially inaccurate, when they do that, it diminishes their value as the most important news sources in the world. | ||
| Total agreement. | ||
| And they still do it. | ||
| They still do it because it's part of the culture. | ||
| Yeah, human error. | ||
| Yeah, it's human bias and fucking, yeah, it's just, that's where, whether it's Jimmy or Jimmy Dore or Glenn Greenwald or any of these people... | ||
| Yeah, they all have biases and it's... | ||
| It's less of a... | ||
| I don't know what their system is for verification or lawsuits or... | ||
| I think it's gonna ultimately come down to people are gonna emerge out of this that are trusted voices. | ||
| And you can be a trusted voice and you could be successful and be a trusted voice. | ||
| Just never sell yourself out. | ||
| I think you are one. | ||
| Thank you. | ||
| I try. | ||
| I try really hard. | ||
| I'm never going to just go on here and tell people something. | ||
| I always say about you, you are not a liar. | ||
| It's not good for anybody. | ||
| It's not good for you. | ||
| It's not good for anybody. | ||
| There's no benefit in it. | ||
| It doesn't help you. | ||
| It doesn't help anybody. | ||
| I feel like... | ||
| That's what's going to emerge. | ||
| These people that are, like, real independent journalists who adhere very closely to the ethics of journalism. | ||
| And a lot of them get fucking torn apart for it, like Alex Berenson. | ||
| Sued Twitter. | ||
| Got back on. | ||
| I mean, that's wild, right? | ||
| Sued Twitter because they were saying what you were saying is misinformation for COVID misinformation. | ||
| Everything he said was from peer-reviewed studies. | ||
| All of it. | ||
| All the data. | ||
| All the things he was saying. | ||
| He's reporting on things in a way that's factually inaccurate. | ||
| It's accurate. | ||
| It's accurate. | ||
| And they kicked him off and then they had to put him back on because of that. | ||
| Those guys are valuable. | ||
| Because if they're not doing that, who's doing that? | ||
| And you might not agree with him. | ||
| And you might say, you are causing vaccine hesitancy and you're causing people to not think this is a dangerous virus. | ||
| You might be correct. | ||
| You might be correct that that influences some people in some way, in that way. | ||
| It didn't influence me in that way. | ||
| It would influence me in a way where I'm like, ooh, this is very strange that I'm getting all this information from this one guy. | ||
| And why is this? | ||
| This seems to be available, like, this should be on NBC. This should be on CBS. Everybody should be talking about this. | ||
| But they're not. | ||
| So they have a very specific narrative when it comes to this thing where they're not trusting that you can make good decisions. | ||
| They want to guide you in a very specific direction. | ||
| Of ideology or because of a corporation or multiple corporations that are behind the advertising for that show, which is most certainly the case on television, they get Suspicious. | ||
| They don't want to listen to you anymore. | ||
| They'll take some information like, oh look, there's a bomb went off over there. | ||
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There it is. | |
| I see it on TV. But these talking heads and the people that are like, they're worthless. | ||
| I was watching Tim Pool's show. | ||
| They were talking about Don Lemon's show. | ||
| That in the key demographic, you got 70,000 viewers. | ||
| You know what insane that is? | ||
| That's such an insanely small number. | ||
| It's like not a great podcast. | ||
| No, it's like a new podcast from a guy who is a doorman at the store. | ||
| But that's the world we're living in, man. | ||
| Meanwhile, when Tim Pool's show was on, they had more than that watching. | ||
| I would just say, I hope people are aware that there's trade-offs. | ||
| Because the thing that... | ||
| The argument for the Post and the Times and legacy media is, while biased, there was a level of stability to it. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| But it feels paternalistic, or it feels like people don't want to be guided, like you said. | ||
| But, fucking society? | ||
| Civilization, there's gonna be some thing, and there is, at this point, there's gonna be some mechanism of guidance, whether it's the government, the church, media. | ||
| Right, right. | ||
| I think people do need some sort of what I call moral scaffolding. | ||
| That's one of the reasons why I'm not anti-religious at all. | ||
| I'm not particularly religious. | ||
| I feel the same. | ||
| When people go, religion's the cause of all wars. | ||
| It's also the cause of most people not punching people in the face. | ||
| I have a feeling people would have found a reason to start those wars without religion. | ||
| I just have a feeling. | ||
| I think people say, you know, Christianity has done some horrible things. | ||
| I think so, yes. | ||
| But also, if they weren't Christians, they probably would have done the same shit. | ||
| I think it's a human thing. | ||
| I think it's a human thing, especially back in the day, man, when life was brutal and horrible and everybody had syphilis. | ||
| You killed each other with swords. | ||
| People were fucking ruthless. | ||
| And you could blame it on a religion... | ||
| But I think the thing about having some sort of a structure, and most importantly moral and ethical, like the way you treat each other, the way you talk to each other, like, you know, what you're trying to do in life, I know a lot of Christians that are like the nicest people. | ||
| If they're real Christians, if they're like real, practicing, believing Christians, some of the most charitable- You name any religion and I know a lot of people that are- Exactly. | ||
| I was about to say that too. | ||
| I know the same about Jews. | ||
| I know the same about Muslims. | ||
| I know the same about Mormons are some of the nicest fucking people I've ever met. | ||
| They're the nicest fucking people. | ||
| And they're in the wackiest religion. | ||
| But they're the nicest folks. | ||
| Maybe it's good for them to have a structure. | ||
| And I think people without structures find structures in places where they don't think it's a structure. | ||
| And I think that's what wokeism is. | ||
| I think it's religion. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| And I also think that religion, atheism's on the rise in the last 30, 40 years because the institutions were flawed. | ||
| And people go, well, fuck God. | ||
| Okay. | ||
| Yeah? | ||
| Or fuck the dumb priests who fucked the kids? | ||
| You know what I mean? | ||
| So it's damning, to use the metaphor, institutional media that is a stabilizing force. | ||
| A lot of what's in the New York Times is 100% factually correct. | ||
| You know what I mean? | ||
| A lot of it's fucking absolutely factually correct. | ||
| Washington Post, Guardian, I go down the line. | ||
| And also, a lot of the stuff that Glenn Greenwald says is absolutely factually correct. | ||
| Like, I don't damn Glenn, and I don't damn them, but I'm not sure how confident I am that people can make these decisions on their own. | ||
| Well, that's the thing. | ||
| It's like we always want to assume that we're a lot smarter than the other people. | ||
| So we're worried about other people getting influenced by shit that's not correct. | ||
| And the moment I start to make an argument against that, I think about QAnon. | ||
| Say no more. | ||
| I know! | ||
| There's a new QDrop. | ||
| Oh my god, they restarted it. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| It's like when they rebooted the Equalizer. | ||
| It's back. | ||
| Oh, that's so funny. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| People can't wait. | ||
| It's back, baby. | ||
| He's back. | ||
| He's got a funny outfit this time. | ||
| Bro, it went all the way up to Michael Flynn. | ||
| Michael Flynn, what was his official role in the military? | ||
| He was a general, correct? | ||
| Yeah, he was as high as you can get. | ||
| He was a full-on Q guy. | ||
| He was going to be the head of national security. | ||
| Yeah, former national security advisor. | ||
| Did you watch Into the Storm? | ||
| The QAnon documentary? | ||
| I didn't like the style of it. | ||
| What? | ||
| I didn't like the... | ||
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So then I decided that I was going to go to... | |
| I just didn't. | ||
| I knew it was going to end up in just like nothing. | ||
| You didn't like the narration of the way the guy's telling his story? | ||
| I thought it was fascinating. | ||
| Yeah, yeah. | ||
| Because I'm fascinated by internet characters. | ||
| I'm fascinated by those people that spend all their time online and forums. | ||
| I like when they moved to Thailand. | ||
| Oh, my God. | ||
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Oh, my God. | |
| That guy, the guy who most likely took it over from the first guy. | ||
| Remember they visit the first guy? | ||
| Did you watch that? | ||
| I watched. | ||
| I probably watched an hour or two. | ||
| Okay. | ||
| They found the guy who they assume is the first guy, and he's very skeptical of the new Q for some reason. | ||
| Oh, of course. | ||
| The new Q boots on. | ||
| The new Q, that's not the guy, though. | ||
| That's not the original guy that did it. | ||
| That's the guy that came along. | ||
| That's the guy that took it over, and the dad is the guy to the left. | ||
| They're fucking characters, man. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| Hilarious characters, but they were fucking... | ||
| Like, high-level trolling people in a way that one of the posts that was made, the only way someone could get access to it, like, was when the forum got shut down. | ||
| So the forum comes back up and this post is up there. | ||
| Like, how the fuck does this guy have access to it before everybody else unless he's this kid who's running the forum? | ||
| It's nuts! | ||
| Yeah, and it's fucking... | ||
| It influenced giant swaths of people. | ||
| Yes, and January 6th, just like all this shit, you got light, and you get someone that can benefit from it, a human actor, a malicious human actor, and it can create... | ||
| Huge problems, huge deaths, huge, like... | ||
| Right, well, and if you watch the January 6th stuff, you know the story about the guy who was most likely some sort of a government agent who's trying to talk people into going in? | ||
| He's out there, we gotta go in there. | ||
| I don't give a fuck what happens. | ||
| We gotta go in there. | ||
| And what is this guy's name? | ||
| Ray something? | ||
| Ray Epps, they've found him. | ||
| They know who the guy is. | ||
| He's facing no charges, no consequences. | ||
| And they grill the FBI about this guy. | ||
| I forget who it was, Ted Cruz? | ||
| Grills the FBI about this guy and won't answer any questions. | ||
| Won't answer yes or no whether or not he was an agent, whether he was involved with them, whether he had anything to do with them. | ||
| Nothing. | ||
| Right. | ||
| And this guy's just trying to tell people to go inside. | ||
| And no charges. | ||
| Yeah, again, conspiracy on conspiracy on a conspiracy. | ||
| But imagine that it's okay for, you take a bunch of people who are Obviously easily influenced. | ||
| I would argue that's most people. | ||
| That's a lot of people. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| And that's the cult thing we're talking about. | ||
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Yes. | |
| This is another cult. | ||
| That's a cult too. | ||
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Order. | |
| People need it. | ||
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Crave it. | |
| The vote was rigged. | ||
| That's a cult. | ||
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Yep. | |
| The fucking storm the Capitol. | ||
| That's a cult. | ||
| So these people are out there and you get a guy who's like this big, brawny, powerful, fucking manly looking man, this government agent guy. | ||
| He's telling me, we gotta fucking go in there. | ||
| You're like, yeah, we gotta go in there. | ||
| And you go in there because this guy tells you to go in there. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| Like, what the fuck is going on? | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| And then there's also, like, when the cops open the gates. | ||
| Did you see that? | ||
| No. | ||
| There's video of cops just opening the gates and letting these people storm past the gates. | ||
| Oh, yeah, there was a lot of, like, cops just being like... | ||
| What the fuck are you doing? | ||
| Why do you have gates? | ||
| Why do you have gates if someone could just open the gate and a cop opens the gate? | ||
| Right, because they're under armed. | ||
| The insurgents are over armed. | ||
| And the cops won't send backup. | ||
| Half of them didn't have good equipment. | ||
| Half of them weren't allowed to have good equipment that day. | ||
| They had to leave it on the bus. | ||
| Just shit like that. | ||
| So do you think they opened the gate because people were going to go through the gate no matter what? | ||
| And they wanted to avoid that? | ||
| That's how I interpreted it. | ||
| But this reminds me of something. | ||
| It's the Steve Bannon thing of flooding the zone with shit. | ||
| So I see it as one conspiracy and then they all run up there and whatever. | ||
| I have an alternate viewpoint. | ||
| I think a lot of cops might be on their side. | ||
| Of course. | ||
| So a lot of those cops that are there might be like, fuck yeah, I'm going to open the gate. | ||
| You know what? | ||
| Totally agree. | ||
| They stole the vote. | ||
| But yes, they're misinformed. | ||
| There's so much thing and then you go what about the guy who you we get so much information that you know where our brain goes? | ||
| It's a fucking mistrial. | ||
| I don't even know what to think. | ||
| I don't even know what to think anymore when in reality we kind of know what happened. | ||
| What percentage of voting do you think is fraud? | ||
| What percentage of the results? | ||
| Because it's not zero. | ||
| So what's the number? | ||
| I don't know. | ||
| I mean, the guy said the last election, the 2020, was the most legit election we've ever had. | ||
| Well, again, I want to be really clear. | ||
| I'm not questioning any election results. | ||
| That's not what I'm trying to do. | ||
| What I'm trying to say is, for sure, they lie about everything. | ||
| People lie and steal and manipulate. | ||
| And if you get 50 fucking states... | ||
| Filled with people that are doing- there's got to be someone working there with a Trump sucks cocks tattoo. | ||
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| Constant, right. | ||
| So there's a number. | ||
| So do you think it's like a negligible number? | ||
| Do you think, like, how much voter fraud is there? | ||
| I'm of the mind that it's negligible in that every time I read, again, I'm reading, so who, but I don't, but I've never been in an election where people are like, I didn't fucking vote for that part. | ||
| I've never been compelled to think that an election was rigged. | ||
| I've always, like, questioned it. | ||
| I remember that HBO documentary, Hacking Democracy, where they took these—I think they were Diebold—make sure that's true. | ||
| I think they were Diebold computers, and they found out that there was a third-party ability to enter third-party data that they could utilize, and they could affect the outcome. | ||
| So they ran a study, or they ran a test with this machine where they manipulated it, and they got different results than they should have gotten. | ||
| They got results where it favored the client that this program was set up to do. | ||
| Probably the incumbent, yeah. | ||
| Yeah, Diebold in Leon County, Florida. | ||
| So it was a really wild documentary because you realize this 100% can be manipulated. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| And it's actually designed to be manipulated. | ||
| There was a thing on 60 Minutes a couple weeks ago, so it's 60 Minutes, so it's very stable, you know, like selling stability. | ||
| But they were explaining, it was all the stuff that Trump and all those guys were talking about. | ||
| I can't remember the name of the company. | ||
| But they're like, they're not on the internet. | ||
| We disconnect them from the internet. | ||
| It's all paper. | ||
| And then they're counted onto a computer that's not connected to anything. | ||
| Or not even a computer or a hard drive or whatever. | ||
| Then we take the hard drive and you can't... | ||
| There's no inputs. | ||
| So that's... | ||
| Whenever I see stuff about... | ||
| Manipulation or, you know, it's like, I'm like, it seemed pretty... | ||
| And then you see people counting and they're being supervised and it all seems not exactly foolproof because it's... | ||
| The interesting thing is, by saying this, I feel like a bitch. | ||
| Right. | ||
| Do you know what I mean? | ||
| Like, I'm some naive toady for the government and stability, which is the other thing it does. | ||
| You're being rational about it. | ||
| No, no, no. | ||
| You're being rational. | ||
| But the internet has made rational people seem like bitches and like- Only to fools. | ||
| Right. | ||
| Only to fools. | ||
| Right, but it's a lot of fools. | ||
| But yeah, but you should be rational about it. | ||
| And what you're saying makes a lot of sense. | ||
| The other thing that makes sense is what's interesting about that documentary, Hacking Democracy, that was all about the Bush administration. | ||
| That was all about the Republicans having to vote because that was – I believe that company was a large contributor to the campaign. | ||
| So I think that was what they were worried. | ||
| The owners of that company had a vested interest in the Republicans winning. | ||
| And so that was about hacking it. | ||
| Because we have to realize this. | ||
| People have always accused people of rigging votes. | ||
| They did it in 2016. Since the beginning of voting. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| In human history. | ||
| Because it's a natural human inclination to cheat. | ||
| Especially when it comes to... | ||
| We know how much money is involved in being president. | ||
| How much power is involved in being president. | ||
| God damn, there's so many fucking factors. | ||
| So many influences. | ||
| There's so much of an incentive for someone to do something. | ||
| If you are a person who's very invested in politics, so much so that you're working for a polling place, you know, and you're like really, you know, hardcore one way or another, hardcore right wing, hardcore left wing, if you can get away with shit, I'm sure you're going to do it. | ||
| But the question is, like, how many can get away with it? | ||
| And whether or not that actually can affect elections. | ||
| And like, what about provisional ballots? | ||
| What about people that don't have ID? What about people that are here illegally and vote because they feel like that's the trade-off for being able to be allowed into the country? | ||
| That's the argument about why they're letting so many people into this country. | ||
| Right. | ||
| Now it's technically backfiring because most immigrants are voting conservative. | ||
| Latinos. | ||
| Latinos are hard-working people, man. | ||
| They don't want to hear your bullshit. | ||
| It'll work. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| No, I agree. | ||
| But it's interesting to hear your take on this stuff because... | ||
| You're a part of it. | ||
| When people talk about this sort of not legacy media, not legacy information streams, you're a big part of it, and it's funny to hear that you're like I'm just trying to figure it out like everybody else. | ||
| I think everybody is trying to do that. | ||
| It's just you should be allowed to do that. | ||
| The problem is everybody wants to come to a conclusion when they're not necessarily sure. | ||
| It's more convenient to have like a clear conclusion. | ||
| And there's a problem too when there's a narrative that floats around and if you question that narrative like you're a kook or you're a bad person or you're a conspiracy theorist or you're contributing in some sort of a negative way. | ||
| I do not like the idea of forced compliance. | ||
| I do not like the idea of buying into a narrative. | ||
| And as soon as I'm asked to do that... | ||
| But that's a thing that didn't really exist before the internet. | ||
| Not the idea of forced compliance, but just like, I don't know, this is what we're doing. | ||
| You know what I mean? | ||
| Like, and then it became kind of weaponized of like, you're a sheep and you're, it's like where I say like, I believe most of what's in the New York Times, you sheep ass bitch. | ||
| I don't necessarily agree with you because even during the Vietnam War, that was an issue. | ||
| I mean, that was the division of society in the Vietnam War is that people knew that the Vietnam War was bullshit and they knew that they were being fed bullshit by the government and they're sending human bodies over there to just to go and die. | ||
| Yeah, you're absolutely right about that. | ||
| And that changed culture in its very radical way because people just rejected all the norms of society. | ||
| And this also came about the same time as the introduction of LSD. So people are doing acid and they're tripping and they just want to drop out of society. | ||
| So that was going on then too. | ||
| It's a normal part of human beings to question the people that have power and to reject their authority. | ||
| It's also funny hearing you talk about it. | ||
| It makes you think now it's just kind of a different group. | ||
| The problem is it can't be involved in the dissemination of information. | ||
| As soon as all that money is involved in information, it can choose what to and what not to talk about. | ||
| And when you only have an hour, you're only on the show for an hour, it's really easy to conveniently miss some really important stories. | ||
| It's also inevitable. | ||
| I don't even, because I would say it's not even intentional to fuck with, to ignore this. | ||
| It's bias. | ||
| Could be. | ||
| It's limitations. | ||
| Certainly could be. | ||
| Certainly could be all those things. | ||
| But it also could be political agenda. | ||
| That's possible, too. | ||
| And the thing is, like, you shouldn't be expected to get the news in an hour, especially today, because you're dealing with the news of eight billion people simultaneously, and you're only hearing the bad stuff. | ||
| You're hearing the bad stuff about typhoons and fucking hurricanes and a new disease and an Animal attack and a lady got ate by a crocodile and you're just never gonna sleep. | ||
| You're never gonna sleep. | ||
| It's coming at you 24-7 all the time and some of it's bullshit and you got to figure out what's what and what's not and you know in some ways you can leave that to other people and but the problem is then some of those people aren't real and then you find out some of those people are hired government misinformation agents that are designed to push a very specific narrative to get people talking about things online. | ||
| That's real. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| That fucking guy yelling at January 6th, get in, we need to get in there. | ||
| That's a real guy. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| You can watch the video. | ||
| So either he's crazy or someone paid him to do that. | ||
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Right. | |
| And then who paid him? | ||
| Was it Russia? | ||
| Was it China? | ||
| Or was it America? | ||
| Or was it Michael Flynn? | ||
| Or was it QAnon? | ||
| It's like... | ||
| And it's getting... | ||
| It's that thing of trying to... | ||
| Overwhelm people so they just go like, I don't fucking know. | ||
| Yeah, that's exactly what it is. | ||
| And then they don't prosecute. | ||
| They just go, I don't fuck it. | ||
| It's just too much. | ||
| It's a mistrial. | ||
| I don't know. | ||
| If you question things, the pushback against people questioning things is always odd to me. | ||
| You should question pretty much everything. | ||
| I mean, there's some things that are just lock-solid, absolute, and real. | ||
| You know, there's science behind them. | ||
| You can see Hurricane Ian touched down in Florida, did massive devastation and destruction. | ||
| I'm a denier. | ||
| I'm an Ian denier. | ||
| But you're right. | ||
| Yes. | ||
| But you're not automatically a hero for questioning, and you're not automatically a sheep for accepting. | ||
| 100%. | ||
| Yes, absolutely. | ||
| And by the way, some things you probably should just accept because you don't have time to look into everything. | ||
| And it's also funny, different neighborhoods of the internet value different things. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| You know, like the taxes thing. | ||
| You know, taxes. | ||
| There's people that are like, that's what got Wesley Snipes in trouble. | ||
| Of course. | ||
| They were telling him, you don't have to pay taxes. | ||
| It's not even in the fucking Constitution. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| Like, oh shit, this is a loophole. | ||
| I didn't even know about this. | ||
| And then next thing you know, you're in jail. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| Like, pay your fucking taxes. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| Even if they're right, even if you're right, That's one argument you're not going to win. | ||
| Yeah, but he didn't think he wasn't going to win. | ||
| I don't know how he thought he was going to win that one. | ||
| Because there isn't a law for taxes. | ||
| Technically. | ||
| The wildest one is religion. | ||
| Go on. | ||
| That they're tax free. | ||
| The amount of money a guy like Joel Osteen is raking in tax free, does he have to pay any taxes? | ||
| Does he have to personally pay taxes? | ||
| How does that work? | ||
| I actually have no idea. | ||
| Find out if that's true. | ||
| I believe that your limited salary, if your church is incorporated. | ||
| But having churches pay no taxes is wild. | ||
| But that speaks to stability, where it's like it's cahoots stability. | ||
| It's like the Bill of Rights and the Ten Commandments... | ||
| They're not exactly one-to-one, but it's all kind of, there's no coincidence there. | ||
| Where it's like everything that they, it's another wing of the, it's a, I used to refer to God as Supercop. | ||
| Like, we can't be there, but you shan't steal, you shan't, even if there's no cameras, don't steal, don't murder, don't. | ||
| Right, but the taxes thing is nuts, because Scientology got it. | ||
| Oh, yeah. | ||
| Yeah? | ||
| Yeah, they sued. | ||
| They sued the federal government, and they got tax-exempt status. | ||
| And, you know, that's wild, because you know the guy who wrote it. | ||
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| One specific guy who is not just... | ||
| He's the most prolific author in human history. | ||
| You know that? | ||
| He published more works of fiction, but not that. | ||
| That was all real. | ||
| No, no. | ||
| I mean, look, guys got to take the day off. | ||
| And they get no taxes. | ||
| It's pretty wild. | ||
| I mean, if you're like a small Lutheran church and you serve the community and you put on charities and do a bunch of great things and you're like a real asset to the community, there's a lot of those churches and they should be tax exempt. | ||
| Other than the Sea Org slave shit, I don't care about Scientology. | ||
| Do you know what I mean? | ||
| I don't think that they charge for classes. | ||
| I don't know. | ||
| They kind of make you give them a tithe at churches. | ||
| Seems like it's working out for Tom Cruise. | ||
| It's working out for a lot of them. | ||
| Seems like it's really working out for Tom Cruise. | ||
| I don't care. | ||
| Just don't put people, don't slave people. | ||
| Yeah, don't do that. | ||
| Don't kidnap Kelly Miscavige and all that shit. | ||
| But the rest of it, I don't care about. | ||
| Yeah, don't do that. | ||
| The rest of it's not any different to me than any other religion. | ||
| It seems like it's real similar to what goes on in a lot of religions, in a sense, because there's a lot of religions that force people to work as missionaries, and there's a lot of religions that ask things of people, and you have to tithe 10%. | ||
| And have kids and don't use birth control. | ||
| I'm like, that's pretty significant. | ||
| Yeah, it's very significant. | ||
| Yeah, yeah. | ||
| Punish gay people. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| There's a lot of weird stuff in religions that we just accept. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| Didn't you say that, I think you said this, that when you had a psychedelic experience, you kind of stopped being an atheist? | ||
| Yeah, I was an atheist. | ||
| And then ayahuasca journey number four. | ||
| No, journey number three. | ||
| Oh, I'm in the presence of God. | ||
| I'm just in it now. | ||
| And it's not I mean, again, this is what I experienced, so it's not true or false, but that's your central creation force that I experienced. | ||
| It didn't have any rules or laws. | ||
| Did you get a sense of what this whole thing is supposed to be? | ||
| Like, what are we doing? | ||
| Like, if there's a central creation force and you interact with it, what does it want? | ||
| What does it want from us, and what is it doing with life? | ||
| My experience, this was from the Bufo, not Ayahuasca, which is amazing. | ||
| Bufo's just too rough for me. | ||
| I was drowning on incomprehensibility. | ||
| I don't think it's comprehensible what the purpose is. | ||
| That's my experience. | ||
| I don't- I didn't even get love from it. | ||
| I didn't get hate, I didn't get venom. | ||
| Yeah, I just got indifference. | ||
| I just got like- Super powerful. | ||
| Just power. | ||
| Force. | ||
| Yeah, just force. | ||
| It felt magnetic in a weird way. | ||
| So is Bufo 5-methoxy? | ||
| Yeah, it's 5-methoxy DMT. Yeah, 5-MeO, yeah. | ||
| That is a very different feeling. | ||
| That's a very different experience. | ||
| That one, I really thought it was gone. | ||
| I thought I died. | ||
| I mean, dude, even when I was here last time, I wasn't totally recovered. | ||
| I feel like there's some sort of trend in life and in the cosmos of things getting more complex and, you know, I'm not the first person to point this out either, but with human beings in particular, Everything is about technological innovation and things becoming more and more complex and information being more and more accessible and being more and more connected with each other. | ||
| It seems like a really really obvious trend and if you play that trend out You know a thousand years a hundred thousand years a million years like where where is that going? | ||
| And is that going on all over the universe? | ||
| And is that what God's doing? | ||
| Is God all about this constant state of improvement that it goes on forever? | ||
| Until you reach like literally like a god-like being Yeah, yeah, that's the thing With with I had a few Kind of rapture? | ||
| Like, ish? | ||
| Rapture-ish? | ||
| I just get the feeling that if, like, when... | ||
| If there was a rapture or whatever, I just think people would go, wow, this was... | ||
| We fucking were really worried about the wrong shit. | ||
| For sure. | ||
| Like, beyond even our comprehension... | ||
| Like, beyond our... | ||
| So far past what we were, like, not even worried about... | ||
| Like fucking or war or any of that stuff. | ||
| It's like, dude, it's just about this energy field that I couldn't make heads or tails of in terms of like we're supposed to. | ||
| Well, if you think of amoebas, if you think of single-celled organisms, they eventually become multi-celled organisms, they develop the ability to move around, and they come on shore, and they evolve and change, and this goes on forever and ever and ever. | ||
| And then one day in 2022, they're us. | ||
| That's what we are. | ||
| We're the most advanced form that we're aware of, of that thing. | ||
| If that keeps going, Maybe that is what creates the universe itself. | ||
| Maybe the universe is making itself through us. | ||
| We're just in this amoeba stage, and we can't even comprehend it. | ||
| To us, it's like, what are you talking about? | ||
| We're going to change the world? | ||
| Like, imagine an amoeba being born in the bottom of a volcano silo, you know, in the bottom of the oceans. | ||
| I felt like an amoeba on 5amiel. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| Well, you basically probably are. | ||
| I think we probably all are a version of that in comparison to this ultimate thing that we're going to become. | ||
| If we do keep evolving, if evolution is a real thing, and it did go from single-celled organisms to what we see now in human beings, if you just keep going, that should get to some place of impossible Energy and power and maybe the universe itself like maybe that's what it's made out of maybe that's how we make things like stars and Maybe the universe itself is born out of this and we're just this really tiny | ||
| stage This amoeba like stage that will ultimately become the God force of the universe. | ||
| Maybe that's our ultimate Transition between a physical being into this thing of energy and love and light and power and indifference in many ways to our own plights because it's necessary to achieve this purpose. | ||
| Like all of our bullshit and maybe all of our struggles and maybe all of our debates about things and trying to figure out what's white and what's wrong and whose philosophy is correct and whose behavior is correct. | ||
| Maybe all of that is just trying to get us to that ultimate stage where we're going to be and that's what happens everywhere in the universe. | ||
| That's the universe creating itself everywhere all over the place when things get and they have a certain amount of Troubles that they have to deal with whether it's tribal invasions or super volcanoes and Figure it out get to a point where you can become the next thing Yeah, I mean on and on and on and on and on forever. | ||
| Yeah, I mean that's I would if my Especially my Emmy my five MEO Experience was about having no sense of order whatsoever Meaning I was an amoeba. | ||
| I didn't know what breathing was. | ||
| I don't know what direction was. | ||
| I don't know what sight was. | ||
| I didn't know fucking Anything yeah, and I was I was drowning on I don't know any I don't know what a thought is and It was really incredibly difficult. | ||
| It's hard. | ||
| That's a hard one. | ||
| And so that's what I've come away from. | ||
| One of the things I've come away from it with is this sense of like we're just trying to order things more than anything. | ||
| Like that's our number one sort of human priority because it's like the best way to survive. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| And I feel like we're ordering for the wrong stuff a lot of the time, but it's inevitable. | ||
| Well, we're working it out. | ||
| That's what we're doing. | ||
| The human animal is like working out in this new territory that we're dealing with, with the internet and with the connection that we have now and the awareness that we have to all the potential dangers of the world and the cosmos and like we're constantly inundated with new threats. | ||
| You know, the economy is collapsing, the fucking global warming, Jesus Christ, and overpopulation, and it's like never ends. | ||
| And it's constantly like getting into your mind. | ||
| And I think that's a stressor and a test. | ||
| And I think the human animal has to figure out how to navigate this world and become better at it. | ||
| And then as it evolves and changes and grows, it's eventually going to be normal. | ||
| And it's not normal for us because we grew up without it. | ||
| We grew up with no internet. | ||
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| Like, regular, like, animal people. | ||
| They were animals. | ||
| Yeah, but I think that even the internet's ordered for the wrong thing. | ||
| It's ordered for power, it's ordered for money. | ||
| It's what? | ||
| It's ordered for? | ||
| Ordered for. | ||
| It's like... | ||
| It's set up for... | ||
| Facebook, Twitter, these big, you know, because that's kind of how our market capitalism works. | ||
| So it's just ordered for the fucking wrong thing. | ||
| Because there's more juice in power, money, all that stuff than there is in really anything else. | ||
| And we're set up for it. | ||
| There definitely is a problem with these giant companies that have massive amounts of control over discourse. | ||
| And they can decide what you can read and not read. | ||
| They can decide things or disinformation that turn out to be fact. | ||
| Like the Hunter Biden laptop story that they suppressed off of Twitter. | ||
| That's wild shit when you do that. | ||
| That is really wild shit. | ||
| Because you're deciding you know better. | ||
| You know what people deserve to read and not to read. | ||
| You're not just disseminating information. | ||
| It's the thing I'm talking about. | ||
| It's the stability. | ||
| It's like unfortunately the best analogy is parenting. | ||
| Where they're lying for a reason. | ||
| Right, like telling you about Santa Claus. | ||
| Noble lying. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| So it's like... | ||
| Noble lying. | ||
| That's a good way of putting it. | ||
| Yeah, it's like... | ||
| It's noble lying, so they felt like they got a lot of disinformation in 2016, so then in 2020 they overcompensate. | ||
| It's also, you ever see the people that are making these decisions? | ||
| Like, you know, Project Veritas has done a lot of undercover journalism where they record these people. | ||
| These people are normal people. | ||
| Of course they're normal people. | ||
| They shouldn't have that kind of power. | ||
| A lot of them are in their 30s and shit. | ||
| They're telling you what they do. | ||
| Well, that's what I'm saying. | ||
| But we all agree who shouldn't, but no one has an idea of who should. | ||
| Well... | ||
| Look, I think banning people for using his picture as a parody and saying he likes to drink his own pee, not a good look for all this free speech stuff. | ||
| But the idea behind the free speech absolutist mentality is that there's no place where people can have these discussions and exchange these ideas. | ||
| Without there being extreme bias for one political party and about how that's dangerous for democracy. | ||
| I think he's right about that. | ||
| I agree. | ||
| Yeah, in theory. | ||
| But it ends up just being a bunch of people yelling the N-word. | ||
| But there's got to be a way to stop that from happening. | ||
| And one way might be to make people subscribe. | ||
| If you make people pay for it, you're going to get way less people that are having fake accounts that they just use to fuck with people. | ||
| You said earlier, money well spent. | ||
| Yes, but if you verify it. | ||
| If you verify it. | ||
| Like, say if your Twitter account is Neil Brennan and it's tied to your passport. | ||
| And it's tied to your social security number. | ||
| Passport. | ||
| And you can't use another one. | ||
| Uh-oh. | ||
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| Joe... | ||
| Yeah, like, that's the... | ||
| It's the thing where they said the definition of... | ||
| The Supreme Court's definition of pornography is, I don't... | ||
| I know it when I see it. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| That's not a good definition, guy. | ||
| I know it when I come in my pants. | ||
| Yeah, exactly. | ||
| Like, I know when I see it. | ||
| It's like, that's not a fucking... | ||
| Trackable definition and that's also it's not real. | ||
| Yeah, and that's the that's the thing with even with free speech is like There's so it's like a multi-tentacled it's an octopus with fucking a hundred and thirty two tentacles and yeah like it is It's contradictions and yeah, but yeah, but and you're like yeah, this is I I don't know the solution Yeah, I don't think there's a clear solution and I think that's part of the work that we have to do. | ||
| We have to work things through and figure things out and I think that people that you can count on to tell you the truth are very important. | ||
| I think more of those will emerge and I think that'll replace these corporate control things as long as they can stay actually independent because that's one of the things that happens to politicians where politicians are all about for the people and then they get in there and then you got to play ball. | ||
| You got to play ball. | ||
| This is the game. | ||
| Yeah, everybody has to kind of play ball. | ||
| I mean, in some ways, it's like you wouldn't have had to do that if you were not on Spotify. | ||
| You wouldn't have had to make those videos. | ||
| No, I wouldn't have to talk to Neil Young. | ||
| But do you know the reason why I did that Neil Young one in particular, because I wanted to tell that story about how I quit my job as a security guard because of a Neil Young consequence. | ||
| Yeah, life is long. | ||
| That's one of those unintended consequences. | ||
| But I also understand why they're scared. | ||
| My fucking parents were scared too. | ||
| And I encouraged them to get vaccinated. | ||
| They were scared of it. | ||
| And they should be. | ||
| And they should also get vaccinated. | ||
| It helped them. | ||
| I'm sure it helped them. | ||
| And then when they got COVID, I had them treated. | ||
| I took care of them. | ||
| I got them vitamins and IV monoclonal antibodies and all that stuff. | ||
| You got them some Onnit stuff? | ||
| Got them some Onnit stuff. | ||
| Well, you know, they were concerned, and everyone who's fucking 70 years old should be concerned. | ||
| That's scary shit. | ||
| Yeah, for sure. | ||
| And, you know, the problem is that information itself is... | ||
| It's so hard to get a 100% answer on anything complex. | ||
| Like the climate. | ||
| We had a climate guy in yesterday that says, yes, the climate's bad, but there's a lot of things that are worse, and everyone's kind of overreacting to this world being very myopic in our viewpoint, and we really need to look at this in terms of there's a lot of problems that we could create a lot less death and a lot less suffering in the world. | ||
| We focused on them And there's also solutions that are being implemented that they think is going to mitigate the effects of climate change. | ||
| So this conversation is like so long and so complex, and most people don't have the time to sort through it. | ||
| And if you do, you don't have an expert to talk to, so then you're forced to go just try to read shit online. | ||
| So what do you do? | ||
| You go to MSNBC. They say, we're all going to die in 12 years. | ||
| Like, okay. | ||
| We're all going to die in 12 years. | ||
| AOC says we're fucked. | ||
| We must be fucked. | ||
| And then that's your opinion. | ||
| And then you argue that at the pub and you fucking argue that at work when there's the guy with the Trump hat who doesn't believe it. | ||
| Yeah, and again, we have a finite amount of time. | ||
| You don't have enough time to do that. | ||
| And a finite amount of resources and do my own... | ||
| Who's got time for this? | ||
| There are too many important things and too small amount of time. | ||
| Right, and if you have kids, then cut that time in half. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| Yeah, I mean, and then you have, if you have family members that you're close to, and you're helping them out with things, and then you have friends that have problems, you have calls you have to make, you know, where's your time? | ||
| How do you have the time to go research whether or not QAnon's real? | ||
| Like, how do you have the fucking time? | ||
| Yeah, and you're also assuming... | ||
| That people are, it's a good faith, trust in people. | ||
| You know what I mean? | ||
| You don't assume that the guy going to the Capitol is some fucking op. | ||
| Yeah, especially if you're so silly that you're there. | ||
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You're so silly. | |
| How silly are you? | ||
| On a scale of January 6th. | ||
| Here's how silly it was to storm the Capitol. | ||
| Alex Jones was out there telling people don't go inside. | ||
| Wow. | ||
| He was out there with a bullhorn. | ||
| Don't go inside! | ||
| It's a trap! | ||
| Don't go inside! | ||
| And they all figured as long as there's a bunch of them, they're not going to get in trouble. | ||
| Meanwhile, all of them are fucked. | ||
| Those people are doing hard time. | ||
| All of them are fucked. | ||
| Great. | ||
| You can't do that. | ||
| Nope. | ||
| You can't do that. | ||
| You can't storm the fucking Capitol and bust through the doors because you think you're right. | ||
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| And by the way, all the Republicans that think it's cool, it's like they were going to kill Ted Cruz and The guy was reading it. | ||
| If Ted Cruz comes around, he's done. | ||
| You can't control who's in that group. | ||
| Of course you can. | ||
| You can have a hundred psychos amongst a hundred thousand people. | ||
| Just takes one. | ||
| Just takes one. | ||
| One with a gun and there's people with guns. | ||
| And so then you also have a bunch of people that think it's no big deal. | ||
| That it's no big deal. | ||
| It wasn't an insurrection. | ||
| That's not a peaceful protest. | ||
| Peaceful protest is you stand out there, you speak your mind, you hold up signs, you say things, but you don't fucking storm the Capitol. | ||
| As soon as you do, okay, well now you're opening up the door to people to storm the Capitol after you stormed the Capitol. | ||
| This was my argument about that fucking thing they were doing in Seattle, that zone they had where they took over these businesses. | ||
| Okay, now you did it with force. | ||
| The problem is you're going to institute this beautiful utopia in the middle of Seattle and buildings you don't own that you took over through force. | ||
| So what the fuck is going to stop you from... | ||
| How are you going to protect yourself from a bigger group, a more powerful group that takes it? | ||
| Well, yeah, you've endorsed force. | ||
| You've endorsed force. | ||
| You think you've done it for the right reasons because you're a good person. | ||
| Because your ideology is correct. | ||
| My force is benevolent. | ||
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| They stole the vote! | ||
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We're going in! | |
| You can't do that. | ||
| You just can't do that. | ||
| But if someone was instigating them, that changes everything. | ||
| That's the weird thing they're allowed to do. | ||
| They're allowed to find someone, manipulate them, get them to do a crime. | ||
| It's not even a real crime. | ||
| And then, like, the one about the guy was in Dallas, he was a 19-year-old kid, very gullible. | ||
| Manson didn't stab anybody. | ||
| Well, Manson probably did kill one person. | ||
| Oh, okay. | ||
| Sorry, okay, but like the- Manson's a long one. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| We know that's another podcast. | ||
| This kid was a 19-year-old kid. | ||
| They talked him into igniting a bomb with a cell phone. | ||
| It wasn't a real bomb. | ||
| They gave him the bomb. | ||
| They talked him into the plan. | ||
| The FBI mostly talks people into shit. | ||
| But this is a wild one. | ||
| This guy's in jail forever, right? | ||
| And they gave him the cell phone. | ||
| He did it, and they just closed in on him and arrested him. | ||
| There was no bomb. | ||
| It was a fake bomb. | ||
| Yep. | ||
| They completely entrapped him. | ||
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| Totally legal. | ||
| That's wild. | ||
| Most of the war on terror was that. | ||
| But they made a crime. | ||
| That's what's wild. | ||
| Like, the crime didn't exist. | ||
| It's not like the guy's saying, hey, I'm gonna go blow up this fucking building, and then they swapped his bomb out for a fake one, and then, you know, it was his plan. | ||
| This would be an amazing TV show that we cannot never make. | ||
| Right. | ||
| Well, how about the other one where there was the woman who was the governor of the Governor Whitmer? | ||
| Meg women? | ||
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| They were gonna kidnap her. | ||
| It turned out like 13 of them were FBI informants. | ||
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There was like two real dummies. | |
| So funny. | ||
| 13 feds! | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| You ever see the fucking Spider-Man one where the Spider-Man is like pointing at all the different, like, FBI's pointing at the FBI's? | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| That kind of shit is crazy that they can do that, that that's legal. | ||
| But that's... | ||
| The cost of freedom. | ||
| That's what I'm saying. | ||
| It's like, that's, you can't, you can't govern, I gotta get out of here, but you can't, Who legislates against it? | ||
| It's a really good question. | ||
| It's a really good question. | ||
| Like, you can't give the power to the government to decide what's real and what's not real, because we know they already lie to us. | ||
| Like, did you see that Twitter is, like, fact-checking Biden now? | ||
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Mm-hmm. | |
| Which is hilarious. | ||
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Fine. | |
| Because a lot of the shit he says is not true. | ||
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Fine! | |
| That's great. | ||
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Yep. | |
| So that shows you right there. | ||
| If the government had full control and they could just tweet whatever they wanted to and not get fact-checked, which they kind of have been able to do before, If they do that, and they're the ones in charge of information, and they can say what can and cannot be said, they'll decide in their best interest. | ||
| That's why you can't give it to people that are in power. | ||
| And it's better, although it's chaotic as fuck, to give it and leave it to the people. | ||
| It's better. | ||
| It's better than giving it to people that are in power, because all they would have to do Is institute some sort of a social credit score system, which would be easy to talk gullible people into doing. | ||
| And next thing you know, everything is tied into this in terms of what you can do and not do, what you can say and not say. | ||
| And every time you say something that's out of line, you lose social credit score. | ||
| Maybe you can't fly. | ||
| Maybe you can't buy a house. | ||
| And that's real. | ||
| And that's why you can't give them access to information. | ||
| Because if you do, they'll limit the amount of information that stops them from implementing ideas like this. | ||
| Yes. | ||
| And the alternative is terrifying in a different way. | ||
| It's all bad! | ||
| It's all bad, but I think people are going to work it out. | ||
| I'm optimistic that we're getting better at this. | ||
| I hope you're right. | ||
| I think we're better at this now than we were just a few years ago. | ||
| We're better at seeing bullshit, I think, overall. | ||
| But I think it's a long process, because it's a long process that we've gone through in a very short period of time. | ||
| The process of information distribution, it's like... | ||
| It's unprecedented, dude. | ||
| Printing press, and whoa, this is crazy, and then... | ||
| The radio and television. | ||
| Now this. | ||
| Straight up. | ||
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Just... | |
| Yeah. | ||
| And you're just like... | ||
| It's DMT, basically. | ||
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Yeah. | |
| It's like a psychedelic information age. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| And we're not really totally prepared for it. | ||
| And we're not really qualified to manage it, either. | ||
| Or even built for it. | ||
| No. | ||
| Not built for it. | ||
| Like, you know, that tribal thing of, like, you're only supposed to really know, like, 50 people? | ||
| Yeah, it's like 150 people. | ||
| Or is it 150? | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| Like, and then once... | ||
| Dunbar's number. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| And my friend Kat always says, like, yeah, once we got out of tribes, we've been kind of fucked. | ||
| We're fucked. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| Because the value system... | ||
| It's just, what we're ordering for is just the wrong, we're ordering for more people, more commerce, more, more, more, more, more, instead of like, moderation, protect the tribe, this is about the right amount of people we should have, we'll respect the earth, we'll respect the, but it's just, you just need an order, it's just multiple, it's like multipliers that are so far out of control. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| And we're not biologically equipped for it. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| We're biologically equipped for dealing with real threats and real problems in our life. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| And real things that are happening. | ||
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Local. | |
| Yeah, local stuff. | ||
| Local shit. | ||
| Yeah, stuff that's actually affecting you physically. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| And instead, you're just getting inundated. | ||
| And we're not ready for it. | ||
| And some people are losing their fucking minds because of it. | ||
| And I maintain that the people that are engaging primarily in online discussions, like online tweeting and online Facebooking, they're the people that are really losing their minds the most because it's a super unnatural way to interact with the world. | ||
| But ironically, I see Glenn, I see Jimmy, I see Matt Tate, I see those guys as some of the biggest American gladiators in that regard. | ||
| Which is a bit of like, how do you have the time for all this shit? | ||
| But I guess that's part of their job, I guess you would say. | ||
| Part of their job is to interact with these ideas and talk to people. | ||
| Because they have to develop an online following on these social media platforms in order to get out their work. | ||
| Yeah, it's just perverse. | ||
| It's a perverse system of rewards. | ||
| Yeah, I see Matt Taibbi arguing with people sometimes, and I'm like, dude, don't do it. | ||
| Jimmy's constantly there. | ||
| Oh, he loves it. | ||
| Jimmy Dore loves it, though. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| Well, he's a comic, though, too. | ||
| I know. | ||
| You know, he likes fucking around. | ||
| It's like, he's funny. | ||
| He's a unique voice because he's actually a really funny guy. | ||
| And him and Kurt Metzger together are fucking fantastic. | ||
| Metzger's one of the greats. | ||
| He's so fucking funny. | ||
| And when the two of them are together, it's great because they're mocking this shit, but they're also very informed. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| When he's talking about bills and policies. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| He calls everybody out. | ||
| The people on the left, the people on the right. | ||
| He's calling bullshit left and right and right and left. | ||
| And he's doing it with funny. | ||
| And that's a unique thing. | ||
| And he's also, again, not full of shit. | ||
| He's not a liar. | ||
| And you trust him. | ||
| He might be wrong. | ||
| You might disagree with him. | ||
| But he's not going to lie to you. | ||
| And that's what I'm hopeful about. | ||
| I'm hopeful that there's more people like them that just keep emerging. | ||
| And that you're going to get a sense of, you know, what the fuck is really going on? | ||
| Yeah, I also think there's something to just have in both. | ||
| Yeah, there's something to have in both. | ||
| You know, look, you want real journalism, right? | ||
| So you want people that are boots on the ground, real journalists, people that are trained, people that are going to give you... | ||
| And there's a lot of real journalists that are still in a lot of these big publications. | ||
| And that's what they wanted to do. | ||
| They don't want to be stars on the internet. | ||
| They want to go out and do real work. | ||
| And, you know, that's their passion. | ||
| That's a real thing, man. | ||
| You know, just like there's fucking all sorts of crafts people out there that do all sorts of things that people have been doing forever. | ||
| Real journalism is still alive. | ||
| Yeah, I'd say it's like very alive. | ||
| It's just if you're controlled by corporations, if it's corporate controlled media, like you have an obligation to that corporation. | ||
| And if they have a mandate, they have an agenda, and you're not playing along, you're not going to find your way moving up the ladder. | ||
| It's not going to be good for you. | ||
| I know. | ||
| I can. | ||
| What do you do? | ||
| If you're a king... | ||
| I know you've got to get out of here. | ||
| What time's your flight? | ||
| 6.20. | ||
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| Yeah, you better wrap this up. | ||
| But if you could do it, if you could be King Neal... | ||
| I would get, I would form a jury. | ||
| A jury? | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| Like the Supreme Court? | ||
| Kind of. | ||
| Like Jon Stewart's a good example, right? | ||
| I remember, maybe I told him I heard this, but at a certain point he used to say like, I'm on after robots, I'm on after battle bots, I'm on. | ||
| He would just kind of poo-poo that he was an information source. | ||
| Right. | ||
| And then at a certain point, I think he realized, like, fuck, alright, this is a bit of a responsibility, and I need fact checkers. | ||
| There's a guy who works at The Daily Show named Chods, who's like the fact checker guy, and he'll go like, actually, if you're writing a thing, he'll go like, that's not true, that's not true, that's not true, right? | ||
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Right. | |
| John is a... | ||
| It's easier for us to say because we know him, right? | ||
| Like John's a good man. | ||
| He's a good man. | ||
| You know what I mean? | ||
| Like we know him, he's a good man, vibrationally, in the room, good man, ethics, morals, standards, etc., etc., and smart. | ||
| That's one guy. | ||
| For the jury, you know what I mean? | ||
| You might not even agree with him. | ||
| Of course not. | ||
| I know. | ||
| I agree. | ||
| Well, that's the thing. | ||
| It's like, and I don't know, I know that there needs to be some sort of human jury. | ||
| Right. | ||
| It's just a matter of what are the qualifications. | ||
| Right, and who gets to be on it, and, you know, who appoints them, and how long do they last? | ||
| Yes. | ||
| Like, the Supreme Court thing is wild. | ||
| It's the dumbest fucking lifetime. | ||
| Lifetime. | ||
| Lifetime. | ||
| Can you do... | ||
| Insane. | ||
| Can you do something that gets kicked off? | ||
| Of course. | ||
| Ethics violations, right? | ||
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Yep. | |
| Stuff like that. | ||
| Payola. | ||
| Payola. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| Payola. | ||
| Like, whatever. | ||
| Just some sort of, you know, board. | ||
| I don't... | ||
| And whenever people form these boards, I think they try to form one of Facebook, and I remember a lot of people like Scott Galloway and Kara Swisher kind of rolling their eyes about, like, these fucking people. | ||
| It's like, this board is like... | ||
| It's just a hot... | ||
| these are... | ||
| Hotly contested! | ||
| Yeah, and the grey is the grey, grey, grey, deep grey. | ||
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Sure. | |
| It's all deep grey. | ||
| I don't think that's gonna be the solution. | ||
| I think the solution, the imperfect solution that we're currently wrestling with is the one. | ||
| Is let the internet sort it out. | ||
| Just let it get messy. | ||
| Let it get messy and figure it out over time and the truth comes to light, you know? | ||
| Yeah, I just worry that like people will die and institutions will... | ||
| It's part of the process. | ||
| It's part of the process. | ||
| I don't disagree. | ||
| It's like when you talk about climate change, I think toward the end of our lives, I'd say, let's, what's 2022? | ||
| I bet in 2060, a billion people die in a decade from From climate change? | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| I don't know where you pulled that number out of your house. | ||
| I don't think anybody thinks it's that high. | ||
| Well, if you look at migration, it's just going to be so much migration, and then you saw with COVID, our border's closed. | ||
| Just shit where it's like, no, you can't come here. | ||
| Yeah, but a border wasn't. | ||
| No, no, our border wasn't, but Australia's was, China's was. | ||
| Like, certain countries would not allow people in, right? | ||
| If there's a bunch of people in Bangladesh move and they have to get to higher land or cooler land or whatever. | ||
| Oh, because it gets too hot? | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| Or it's flooded. | ||
| Yeah, there's a lot of problems. | ||
| And this guy, Bjorn Lomborg, his assertion is that what we need to do is take care of all these people economically, and that the people that are dying in these places are people that don't have access to air conditioning, don't have access to refrigeration. | ||
| And if we raise them up economically, then you could solve most of those people dying. | ||
| That was the guy yesterday? | ||
| And also, he was talking about tuberculosis, how many people died of tuberculosis, and that we could fix that. | ||
| It's like something like a million people a year. | ||
| It's really wild. | ||
| And that it's mostly poor people, and then why aren't we freaking out about that? | ||
| We freak out about the things we're conveniently freaking out about, and that that's a real issue that we can solve. | ||
| Well, that's like malaria. | ||
| Malaria is... | ||
| Kills like you ever go on like charity navigator and said what the bet most of bang for your buck. | ||
| It's all malaria. | ||
| Mosquito nuts. | ||
| Mosquito nuts. | ||
| Yeah, he actually talked about that and actually showed the deaths of malaria dying dropping down considerably because of medication because of modern medicine and So there's, you know, I think his really interesting point is that there's a lot of other things that are really bad that we should be concentrating on as well. | ||
| And we're very narrow-minded in our focus on this. | ||
| And it becomes the cause of the day and everybody like, you have to be all on board with this. | ||
| And if you really wanted to save lives, he's like, there's a lot of other things that we could do and we can implement very quickly and easily and save lives. | ||
| And we also would probably elevate people economically, which would in turn allow them to have Measures in place to protect them from environmental situations like extreme heat and drought and things like that and he thinks a lot of it can be done with innovation. | ||
| It's very complicated. | ||
| It's also so much of it, as you talk about this stuff, so much of it is about persuasion. | ||
| Yeah, a lot of it is about persuasion. | ||
| Mike, okay, we want to try telling American taxpayers that we're going to send air conditioners to Bangladesh. | ||
| Well, I think the idea is you bring their economy up somehow. | ||
| And if you bring their economy up, then they can afford things. | ||
| That's what he's saying. | ||
| He's saying, like, there's these places that have, like, they're completely economically disenfranchised and they're fucked and they have no hope and there's no options. | ||
| If we created options in those places and helped, you know, were incentivized to help these people, then their way of life would improve radically. | ||
| And as their way of life improves radically and the economy improves radically, you have way less deaths. | ||
| You have way less deaths from disease, way less deaths from crime, way less deaths from a lot of these things. | ||
| Yeah, and then... | ||
| Good point. | ||
| Yeah, of course. | ||
| And he was saying economically it's more feasible, too. | ||
| It's very difficult to just... | ||
| We're going to turn on your economy. | ||
| Well, no one's saying it's easy. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| That's the other thing he was saying. | ||
| He was like, none of these solutions are easy, but these are other things that we should be... | ||
| If our concern is quality of life and raising up people's quality of life and giving them more of a chance to live, making life safer for them, making things easier for them, he's like, this is a good way to go about doing that. | ||
| And in turn, it will greatly reduce the deaths. | ||
| And these are all preventable deaths, and we can greatly reduce those. | ||
| And it's a real cause and effect thing. | ||
| You could actually get to doing that. | ||
| So if our main concern is loss of life, we should really be concerned with that as well. | ||
| That's what he's saying. | ||
| He's not saying at all that climate change isn't a problem. | ||
| He's definitely not saying that it's not caused by man. | ||
| My also take on this is like, it's just a shame. | ||
| Do you know what I mean? | ||
| I'm not saying like, I'm not hectoring and like, you need Joe Rogan, what are you drinking? | ||
| It's not sustainable. | ||
| Coffee's sustainable. | ||
| What I'm saying is like, man, this is a fucking shame because human life... | ||
| Human energy is a precious, great thing. | ||
| It's precious. | ||
| We have so much of it. | ||
| Yeah, and to fuck up the earth like this, Ah, what a fucking shame. | ||
| Well, it's obviously short-sighted and it's obviously people that started doing things a long time ago that they didn't give a fuck about the future or the other people that I deal with the consequences or they didn't realize it was causing those consequences. | ||
| He was a little flippant about fracking. | ||
| I was like, man, they seem to read a lot about the pollution that's caused by fracking. | ||
| It seems pretty bad. | ||
| And he was like, well, relatively speaking, you know, there was a lot of like Glass half full. | ||
| So I guess I get it's important to hear that position too. | ||
| But yeah, ultimately it's a fucking shame what we've done to the environment. | ||
| It's a shame. | ||
| You know, he's also saying that a lot of the stuff that's floating in the ocean is not simply like our stuff that washes the shore. | ||
| He's like, it's these freighter ships just dump their shit in the ocean. | ||
| Just dump garbage. | ||
| It's like, that's what countries have done. | ||
| You know, that's how the whole, the Somali pirates, do you know how that all got started? | ||
| They call themselves the People's Coast Guard of Somalia. | ||
| That's what they originally started calling themselves. | ||
| I like them. | ||
| Go on. | ||
| These Europeans and Russians and all these people from other countries were dumping toxic waste off their shores, and it killed all their fish. | ||
| They were fishermen. | ||
| These people were illegally fishing in their waters. | ||
| They were dumping toxic waste in their waters and killing their livelihood. | ||
| And these people were like, what the fuck are we going to do? | ||
| And so, you know what? | ||
| Next time we catch a boat that's doing that, we're going to kidnap these motherfuckers. | ||
| And we're going to demand a ransom because of the damage they've done. | ||
| And they did that. | ||
| It was successful. | ||
| They're still like, fuck it. | ||
| Let's just become kidnappers. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| Well, no, and then they're like, well, don't worry about the environmental stuff. | ||
| It's a fucking kidnap, motherfuckers. | ||
| Well, they've destroyed the waters over there. | ||
| They've destroyed the waters by dumping toxic waste over there. | ||
| Who knows how much devastation they've caused doing that. | ||
| But that's what caused them. | ||
| The narrative that we always got is, oh, Somali pirates, they're taking that cat stuff, which is like some crazy amphetamine, natural amphetamine. | ||
| They're just jacked up on meth, robbing people. | ||
| That's not what it was. | ||
| Yeah, I believe it. | ||
| Everything starts off great. | ||
| They were just fishermen. | ||
| They were fucked. | ||
| They were forced into this life. | ||
| And if you could go over there and fix the water situation and try to help those people, you'd have way less of that. | ||
| It's like there's a lot of things that need to be done all over the world and it's almost too much to pay attention to. | ||
| You could get completely lost. | ||
| You just have to like kind of pick one. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| You just have to major in a thing and then focus on that. | ||
| You know what I recommend? | ||
| I recommend people watch your Netflix special. | ||
| It'll be a nice little vacation. | ||
| It was about an hour. | ||
| It's about an hour and two. | ||
| Hour and two minutes. | ||
| Yep. | ||
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And you can have a nice little break from all the existential stress. | |
| There's some existential stress in there, but there's some facts. | ||
| There's some fun. | ||
| There we go. | ||
| Nice artwork. | ||
| The old Brennan blocks. | ||
| You're goddamn right. | ||
| And again, this is like, you're almost like you're doing a one-man show slash stand-up. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| This is heavy. | ||
| This is 55 minutes of stand-up and then five minutes of just like, oh, oh. | ||
| I think it's a little heavy. | ||
| Oh, yeah. | ||
| And super heavy. | ||
| Yeah, yeah, yeah. | ||
| Why did you want, did you just have a vision creatively or is this how it started coming together? | ||
| Because I'm pretty good at writing that kind of heavy shit, and I talk about mental health stuff and people like when I talk about it, so it just seemed like a use of things I can do. | ||
| Like, I'm good at that, and I'm good at that. | ||
| So let me just kind of mix them into a... | ||
| So it's not just... | ||
| I would say most stand-up shows are like a press conference. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| For like an hour, I'm just like, and another thing! | ||
| A comedy press conference, and just like, this is like a press conference, and there's like a little narrative in it. | ||
| Okay, beautiful. | ||
| I can't wait to watch it. | ||
| You're a very funny dude, man. | ||
| I always enjoyed watching you at the Comedy Store. | ||
| You're one of the few comics that I miss, like, seeing your sets. | ||
| Yeah, you too. | ||
| It's good to be around you every now and again, though. | ||
| Thanks, buddy. | ||
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Good to see you, buddy. | |
| Neil Brennan, ladies and gentlemen. | ||
| And check out his Netflix special. |
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