Aug. 27, 2022 - The Joe Rogan Experience
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Joe Rogan podcast, check it out The Joe Rogan experience Train by day, Joe Rogan podcast by night, all day So it's good to see you man Good to see you, man. | |
| How you doing? | ||
| My pleasure. | ||
| How you doing? | ||
| I'm doing great. | ||
| Yeah, it's been an interesting year or so, but man, it's been a good year. | ||
| What was the craziness like? | ||
| Like when all the people were calling you a plague rat and... | ||
| I mean, it's... | ||
| you and the... | ||
| how do you say the guy's name? | ||
| The tennis player? | ||
| Novak Djokovic. | ||
| Yeah, Djokovic. | ||
| I mean, we talk about the healthiest human beings on earth. | ||
| Professional athletes. | ||
| We should have been playing in the US Open now. | ||
| Yeah, I know. | ||
| Because of this. | ||
| Which is bananas. | ||
| The guy's already had COVID, recovered from it. | ||
| I think he had it twice. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| And he's one of the best athletes in the world. | ||
| I mean, the guy's body's in tip-top condition. | ||
| Tennis players are incredible fitness. | ||
| Incredible. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| And no, you can't come. | ||
| You didn't follow the rules. | ||
| It defies science. | ||
| It defies logic. | ||
| It doesn't make any sense. | ||
| None of it makes sense. | ||
| Especially at this stage of the pandemic, air quotes. | ||
| I mean, what the fuck, man? | ||
| What was it like for you? | ||
| It was really difficult, for sure, and a lot of different reasons. | ||
| I think I knew that this was coming down, that at some point I was going to talk about my status because I'd chosen to not get vaxxed for reasons that you talked about. | ||
| On your show and I talked about... | ||
| We should just say it because it's kind of important. | ||
| You're allergic to a medication or a part of the vaccine. | ||
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Right. | |
| What is it called? | ||
| PEG, polyethylene glycol. | ||
| And... | ||
| So I did my research. | ||
| Now, I think, typically speaking, because I'm healthy and I take care of myself, getting vaccinated was not on the top of my list. | ||
| But, you know, I wanted to look into it because everybody was doing it and talking about it and trying to be safe. | ||
| And I wanted to make sure I was, you know, doing my part, if that's what was necessary, to keep myself safe and my loved ones safe and my teammates safe. | ||
| And I looked into it. | ||
| And at the time, I went on the CDC website and they specifically said, you know, if you're allergic to PEGs, we do not recommend you get vaccinated with the mRNA vaccinations. | ||
| So the only other one available was Johnson& Johnson. | ||
| And it had just got pulled at the time for blood clots. | ||
| So I looked into other options which included an immunization process through a holistic doctor and I researched and talked to probably a dozen different MDs and found a protocol That I felt like was the best available. | ||
| And what's involved in that protocol? | ||
| It involved basically a couple month process of taking a diluted strand of the virus. | ||
| So I was doing basically what the vaccine is supposed to do without... | ||
| How do they do that? | ||
| I don't know the exact way that they did that, but it was... | ||
| Was it by injection? | ||
| No. | ||
| No, it was oral. | ||
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And... | |
| How are they even getting a diluted strand of the virus? | ||
| I don't know that exactly or want to get into that exactly, I don't think. | ||
| But there was hundreds and hundreds, if not thousands of people that I knew in this circle that were using, that had been doing this to protect ourselves. | ||
| Because we were thinking, hey, look, for me, I... I didn't want to risk anaphylactic shock or any type of clotting associated with the vaccine. | ||
| So that was my only option. | ||
| Either do nothing or do this process. | ||
| And I felt like this was the best way to protect myself and my teammates. | ||
| And that the NFL would understand and maybe grant me a waiver because one of the most difficult parts about the whole process was that there was clearly two classes of player at the facility. | ||
| There was the vaxxed and the unvaxxed. | ||
| And the vaxxed had full privileges. | ||
| They tested once every two weeks. | ||
| They had full privileges on the road. | ||
| They could go out to dinner on the road. | ||
| They could... | ||
| Go to a concert in town. | ||
| They could go to a comedy show if it was in town. | ||
| They could be at any place they wanted to and live life normally. | ||
| Non-vaxxed. | ||
| Fully masked. | ||
| Zero privileges on the road. | ||
| Could not go into establishments with more than 15 people. | ||
| You could not be around more than three individuals from the team outside the facility. | ||
| All these different, what I think now we all realize were crazy policies. | ||
| And that's what actually got me into trouble was that I attended a Halloween party in a 10,000 square foot warehouse with 18 other individuals all fully vaccinated and myself not vaxxed. | ||
| And was eventually fined for that. | ||
| Ended up getting COVID from a vaccinated teammate of mine who contracted COVID and spread it. | ||
| And that's where it gets a little bit crazy. | ||
| And I told this story, I think on the McAfee show, but I said... | ||
| When I came to camp, they knew I was not vaccinated. | ||
| So you had to submit a vaccination card. | ||
| That went to the system with the NFL. And obviously I didn't have one, so we were given wristbands too. | ||
| So everybody in the facility knew Who was vaxxed and who wasn't vaxxed? | ||
| Vaxxed was green, non-vaxxed was yellow. | ||
| So already it's weird wearing your colors out there. | ||
| And I think, to do an aside here, there was a lot of shaming involved in it. | ||
| There was a lot of public shaming that was attempted to coerce people to get vaccinated. | ||
| Because not only are you wearing a yellow wristband, you're the only ones wearing masks. | ||
| And you have to work out by yourself. | ||
| Can't work out with your teammates. | ||
| So no drills, nothing? | ||
| Well, you could at practice. | ||
| But weight room stuff, or our weight room every day, we're working out on the side. | ||
| Just the seven of us not vaxxed. | ||
| Is it because practice is outside and the weight room is inside? | ||
| Supposedly, yeah. | ||
| So they knew my vaccination status from the start, as did all my teammates. | ||
| There was a lot of talk about I endangered my teammates and I lied to my teammates and my team. | ||
| From day one that I returned, which was July 25th, probably, of 2021, they knew where I was at. | ||
| Everybody did. | ||
| Also on the side, I had an appeal going with the NFL because I said, look, here's my health issues. | ||
| Here's the protocol I went through. | ||
| Here's the research behind it. | ||
| I gave them 500 pages of research from a number of people that put together case-reviewed studies around homeopathy and immunizations and safety in them and also the efficacy of them. | ||
| And then I had a conversation with the league, and the league said, in this conversation, this is when I knew that my appeal was definitely not going to happen, was they said, it's not possible for a vaccinated player, a person, sorry, to contract or transmit COVID if they've been vaccinated. | ||
| And I said, you gotta be kidding me. | ||
| Because I showed up and five people, non-players, five people fully vaxxed are out with COVID. So what are you talking about? | ||
| And he said, you're a conspiracy theorist. | ||
| Oh boy. | ||
| And I said, no, I just think I'm a realist. | ||
| I'm just looking at the facts here. | ||
| What point in the pandemic was this? | ||
| This was like beginning of August. | ||
| 2021. So by then, they had already known that breakthrough infections were real. | ||
| By then, it had already, I mean, the vaccines started being rolled out. | ||
| Was it, when, what was the first year? | ||
| It was January of 2020, where they started giving out to older people, right? | ||
| No, no, that's when the whole thing started. | ||
| Right, I'm sorry. | ||
| January of 2021, they started giving out to older people. | ||
| They started rolling out in March and April, because that's when I was going through the process of researching and looking into what I could do to protect myself, having the allergy of that. | ||
| And by August, people were already getting it, even though they had been vaccinated. | ||
| So this was not... | ||
| It wasn't talked about, I don't think, a whole lot. | ||
| Right, but it was four months after. | ||
| But it was definitely happening. | ||
| So it was definitely happening, yeah. | ||
| I had only known one person at that time, somewhere around April, that had been vaccinated and also got COVID, and I just thought it was an aberration. | ||
| I didn't, based on what I saw in the first few weeks at the facility. | ||
| And that's why I thought there was an opportunity. | ||
| But it was difficult because we were separated. | ||
| There was a whole other situation that was going on that You know, also is going on in the rest of society is that my non-vaxxed teammates who were on the bubble, right? | ||
| So 53 guys make the active roster, 16 on the practice squad, so 69 guys on the squad, there's 90 in camp, right? | ||
| So of the, I said seven, I think it was about 10 guys not vaxxed, only a few of us were guaranteed roster spots, like we were going to be on the team, and there's a lot of bubble guys. | ||
| The general managers, and there was talk around the league how general managers were not going to keep bubble non-vax players. | ||
| So they were already up against it. | ||
| Not only did non-vax players have a harder chance of making the squad, but they also had an almost 0% opportunity to get a workout afterwards. | ||
| So if you get cut and the season starts every Tuesday during the football season, Most teams will bring in anywhere from 5 to 15 guys for workouts just to see who's out there. | ||
| Is there any players that can add to the roster? | ||
| So if you weren't vaxxed, you had a very low percentage, not just of keeping a job, but even getting a job opportunity, like a workout, which is wild. | ||
| And so after this conversation with the league, I knew that My appeal was going away and they were doing this, I call it a witch hunt, you know, where they were asking every single player, are you vaccinated? | ||
| You know, they're asking a bunch of big quarterbacks and some guys were saying, you know, it's, you know, you know, it's personal or whatever, you know, didn't want to talk about their status. | ||
| And it almost guaranteed you weren't vaccinated, right? | ||
| So then they were getting ripped and certain guys said, yes, I'm vaccinated. | ||
| And, you know, then they tried to get them to say shit about their teammates, you know, who weren't vaccinated, like dogged their teammates out. | ||
| So I've been ready the entire time for this question and had thought about how I wanted to answer it. | ||
| And I had come to the conclusion, I'm going to say, I've been immunized. | ||
| And if there's a follow-up, then talk about my process. | ||
| But thought there's a possibility that I say I'm immunized. | ||
| Maybe they understand what that means. | ||
| Maybe they don't. | ||
| Maybe they follow up. | ||
| They didn't follow up. | ||
| So then I go the season. | ||
| Them thinking, some of them... | ||
| That I was vaccinated. | ||
| The only follow-up they asked was basically asking me to rip on my teammates. | ||
| What do you say to your teammates who aren't vaccinated? | ||
| What kind of example do you feel like you're setting to your teammates who aren't vaccinated? | ||
| I said, it's everybody's own decision with their body. | ||
| We're super healthy individuals. | ||
| We take care of ourselves. | ||
| We understand what goes in our bodies. | ||
| I don't have any judgment on any decision that a guy makes with their own body, right? | ||
| But I knew at some point, if I contracted COVID, or if word got out, because it's the NFL and there's leaks everywhere, it was possible I'd have to answer the questions. | ||
| And then sure enough, I contract COVID in... | ||
| Well, the beginning of November, end of October. | ||
| And that's when the shitstorm hit because now I'm a liar. | ||
| I'm endangering the community, my teammates, all these people, and the attempted takedown of... | ||
| Me and, you know, my word and my integrity began. | ||
| So that was difficult. | ||
| But I will say, and I'm thankful to be on this show, like, I really appreciate you and you helping me out during that time. | ||
| I reached out to you I think at the beginning of the season, I feel like, and just said, hey, because you had talked about in your podcast a little bit, you had some, you know, controversial, maybe less controversial now, people on there talking about... | ||
| Quite a bit less controversial now. | ||
| Talking about their, you know, people, experts in the field talking about, you know, their own ideas about COVID and, you know, you helped me with a, you know, a game plan to be ready in case I did get COVID. And I followed it to a T, and when I got COVID, you know, within 36 hours, I was, you know, symptom-free and feeling amazing. | ||
| But the protocols was, you're off for 10 days. | ||
| So I missed a game. | ||
| We lost a football game. | ||
| I came back, had to answer a ton of questions about it. | ||
| Obviously, I had my, you know, basically, I lost, you know, the majority of allies I thought I had in the media. | ||
| The good thing is it drew a real line in the sand, and everybody who wanted to jump on me and trashed me did and showed their true colors. | ||
| And very few people, you know, kind of in the media at least, stuck by me. | ||
| Well, it was like McCarthyism at a certain point in time. | ||
| It was like a red scare. | ||
| Everyone was looking for communists. | ||
| They were just looking for non-vaxxers. | ||
| It was like a fever in the air because people had been convinced that this was the thing that was going to get us out of the pandemic. | ||
| And if you didn't follow that thing, that you were the enemy of it. | ||
| So I could kind of understand why people had that perspective if they hadn't looked into it, which is a weird term. | ||
| Or at least if they hadn't, it's kind of a shallow term, but if they hadn't consulted with real experts, especially in your case, that when you had an actual allergy, it's a particular issue, and the desire to not take the medication that was pulled for clots, that seems pretty fucking reasonable. | ||
| But reason was out the window at that point in time. | ||
| Well, that's what was crazy to me was people just saying, oh, just get the jab, you know, the Keith Olbermanns of the world. | ||
| Just get the damn jab. | ||
| And I'm like, that guy is the gift that keeps giving. | ||
| He is fucking hilarious. | ||
| Unintentionally hilarious like he's a character in a movie. | ||
| I love it. | ||
| I hope he keeps talking. | ||
| But that was the sentiment. | ||
| I'm like, yeah. | ||
| Anaphylactic shock? | ||
| Also, I'm super healthy and take care of myself really well. | ||
| Oh, by the way, I just went from woke up, really bad symptoms, to 36 hours later, I feel great. | ||
| And no one wanted to hear that. | ||
| No one wanted to hear that there was a way that you could get through it without being vaccinated and that you would recover very quickly. | ||
| No one wanted to hear that. | ||
| And they were coming with all sorts of reasons why you shouldn't even say that. | ||
| Yeah, they came after you about horse dewormer and Sanjay was on here and you mopped the floor with him and then he goes back on CNN and basically tries to rip you. | ||
| It was ridiculous. | ||
| But let me just say this point because I think this is really important. | ||
| The two main things against me that they want to say. | ||
| One, that I lied. | ||
| I didn't. | ||
| You didn't ask me a follow-up, but I said I was immunized, and I went through an immunization process. | ||
| I don't know how you would classify that other than say I was immunized, but that, to me, was the truth, is the truth. | ||
| You didn't ask a follow-up. | ||
| You ask a follow-up? | ||
| I'll tell you what I mean. | ||
| That's one. | ||
| Number two that I really don't like. | ||
| And didn't like the characterization. | ||
| That I put people in danger. | ||
| That I endangered my teammates. | ||
| I lied to my teammates. | ||
| And I already said from day one they knew. | ||
| Medical staff, everybody in the organization, everybody knew I'm wearing a yellow wristband. | ||
| I'm not vaxxed. | ||
| Everybody knew my status. | ||
| But number two, what non-vaxxed players had to do is we had to test every single morning. | ||
| So vaccinated players, testing once every two weeks, right? | ||
| Non-vaxxed every single morning. | ||
| Every off day, every day of the bye week, off for a week while everybody else is off traveling and enjoying their life, we stay in Green Bay and we test it every single day. | ||
| So every day that you saw me, and I've said it before, I go to about two places in Green Bay. | ||
| I go to the grocery store and I go to Barnes and Noble. | ||
| I love to read and I gotta get my groceries. | ||
| If you saw me at those two places, you can be 100% sure that I tested that morning and that I tested negative. | ||
| Before I even could walk into the facility, I had to test, wait in my car, and then wait for 30 minutes for them to text me and say that you're negative, you can enter the building. | ||
| So every single day I was at the facility, every single day that any of my teammates saw me, any of my coaches, every single day that you saw me at Barnes& Noble or at the grocery store, I was negative for that day. | ||
| I took it seriously because obviously there was a lot going on. | ||
| Now, I didn't believe in wearing a mask at a press conference. | ||
| You have a room full of reporters who are fully vaxxed, wearing masks, sitting 30 feet away from me. | ||
| And again, this goes to the shame. | ||
| They wanted me as a non-vaxxed player to wear a mask for an interview. | ||
| While you're negative, you were tested that day. | ||
| While I'm negative that morning, in a room full of fully vaccinated people, who are, none of them are closer than 30 feet away from me. | ||
| I don't think during a pandemic there's anything wrong with testing people every day. | ||
| I mean, I think if you want to keep people safe and you want to keep that from spreading throughout the team, that's probably the best way to approach it. | ||
| But everything else just seems so nuts. | ||
| But we're looking at it, you know, hindsight is 20-20, right? | ||
| We're looking at it from after it's over. | ||
| And so many people, they just bought the narrative that was being promoted by CNN and MSNBC and wherever, that if you get vaccinated, you can't get COVID, you can't spread COVID. That was the narrative. | ||
| And that's my thing. | ||
| I get it. | ||
| Like, you want to test everybody every day? | ||
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Cool. | |
| That's fine. | ||
| You don't want to keep people safe if that's the benchmark for it. | ||
| But as we look back now, let's not revise history. | ||
| Let's not revise history on what actually happened and what was said. | ||
| Because what was said was, you get the vax, you can't spread it or contract it. | ||
| And no one seems upset that that was a lie, including Birx, who has said that she had always known that it was not going to stop transmission and it was not going to stop people from spreading it, which is wild. | ||
| She would say, we knew that you were still going to get it, even if you got vaccinated. | ||
| No one said that. | ||
| No. | ||
| Pandemic of the unvaccinated. | ||
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Yeah. | |
| What do they call the winter? | ||
| The winter of death or whatever for the non-vaxxed? | ||
| I saved that. | ||
| Winter of death and suffering. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| It's like they were Game of Thrones. | ||
| They were talking about the fucking White Walkers coming. | ||
| Winter of death. | ||
| I mean, Jesus Christ. | ||
| It's so wild, because at that point when they had said that, we had already realized, like, oh, this is 78% of the people hospitalized were obese. | ||
| Most of the people that died were either obese or very overweight or rather very old. | ||
| Comorbidities. | ||
| Yeah, four comorbidities, at least four, for more than 50% of the people. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| But people love to look at someone to be mad at. | ||
| That's one of the things. | ||
| If they can find a guy like you who's killing it. | ||
| And our league is one of the greatest books every single year that's written. | ||
| It's a mystery novel. | ||
| You never know what's going to happen. | ||
| But in a great epic novel... | ||
| You need your protagonist and your antagonist. | ||
| You need your heroes and your villains. | ||
| And I think they just... | ||
| Like, we're going to make this guy the villain. | ||
| Because he's been so good for so long. | ||
| And he's not vexed. | ||
| But I think it ultimately didn't hurt me. | ||
| Because at the end of the season... | ||
| I was playing really well. | ||
| I came back from COVID. We played Seahawks. | ||
| We won. | ||
| And I didn't have a great game that game. | ||
| But the last like six, seven games, I played really, really well. | ||
| And then there was a reporter out of Chicago who said that I'm the biggest jerk in the league and he wouldn't vote for me for MVP because of my VAC status. | ||
| So it kind of put the rest of the other 49 MVP voters, I think, on notice going, oh, are you going to let your personal political bias enter into a conversation about who the most valuable player of the league is and not vote for this guy because he's not vaxxed? | ||
| I think that played into at least some of their minds at some point because they would have to answer, how do you justify not voting for this guy for MVP? Right. | ||
| So ultimately you came out ahead. | ||
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Yeah. | |
| I think so. | ||
| How long was it before you were treated normally? | ||
| Oh, this is the best part. | ||
| Once the playoffs happened, it went from Non-vax testing every single day. | ||
| And vax at that point had to test once a week now. | ||
| So it went down from two weeks to one week. | ||
| But once you got in the playoffs, you only test if you're symptomatic. | ||
| Vaxed or not vaxed. | ||
| Yeah, they didn't want to take any chances once you're in the playoffs. | ||
| They want everybody to play. | ||
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Of course. | |
| A lot of money on the line, baby. | ||
| When did they start treating you normally, though? | ||
| Like, did you feel like with the press and with... | ||
| I mean, now it's... | ||
| There's still that mark, I think. | ||
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Really? | |
| Yeah. | ||
| Really? | ||
| Some of those reporters are such cunts. | ||
| It's just like, there's a thing in sports where there's... | ||
| It's way less of it in MMA, but there's a thing in sports where... | ||
| Where it's par for the course to be a douchebag to players, to treat them badly and to talk about them badly, because I guess they have this very special role in society where they get to be professional athletes. | ||
| So you're allowed to... | ||
| If there's a dropped ball or there's a play that doesn't go well, you could say all sorts of personal things about them and disparage their character and call them lazy and call them entitled and all these different things that they love to do. | ||
| And it's really like ramped up in sports more than anyone. | ||
| And I think it's because of sports fans. | ||
| Like sports fans have been doing that forever, you know, when they're at work. | ||
| You show up at the job and you're like, see that fucking game last night? | ||
| That guy sucks. | ||
| And there's this attitude that they, I think, repeated. | ||
| And it's really these clunky personalities. | ||
| They're not good reporters. | ||
| They're not brilliant people. | ||
| They just have found this thing that they do. | ||
| They just act like a cunt. | ||
| You know what I mean? | ||
| Yeah, and some of them used my name for a long time to stay on some of their networks. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| And you'll never forget. | ||
| You know, I think the interesting thing for me is to see how it changed and how my vaccination status But they couldn't get past that. | ||
| They couldn't get past years of friendship and me doing favors for them, doing interviews with them if they needed something, making sure I made time to give them a soundbite or do an interview or come on their show. | ||
| And I'm talking about probably a dozen... | ||
| That I thought were allies in the media, meaning friendly to me, and that they knew. | ||
| Like, if they needed a guest or something, and I had the time, I would always make time for them. | ||
| And haven't heard from any of them. | ||
| I think you got off light. | ||
| That's good. | ||
| Cut them out. | ||
| If that's the kind of people they are, either they should apologize to you and learn and grow, or get them out of your fucking life. | ||
| That's why I said it was a blessing. | ||
| It really was. | ||
| Because it made it clear. | ||
| Who is in my corner and who is not? | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| I mean, whatever happened to being like a charitable, forgiving person? | ||
| Isn't that like a quality? | ||
| There's none of that. | ||
| If you don't follow the mainstream narrative, or if you don't agree with me, take out the mainstream narrative, if you don't agree with me, I can't be friends with you because I get to live in an echo chamber. | ||
| And that's what society and social media has done, I think, on so many levels. | ||
| Like you were saying earlier, 20 years ago, the guy bitching about his favorite player who played bad is bitching to his buddies at work. | ||
| And now they're all on social media going nuts and stirring up. | ||
| And like we were talking about earlier, it takes just a couple people with an opinion that can... | ||
| You know, sway something in a direction and then, you know, start this landslide of negativity around something. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| That's why I don't go on those things. | ||
| I just post and ghost. | ||
| I post and I get the fuck out of there. | ||
| I mean, it's valuable for me, social media is, for, you know, podcasts and comedy and stuff like that. | ||
| And, you know, occasionally I like to point out cool stuff. | ||
| Like, they found some... | ||
| Yeah, you do. | ||
| Some of the robot stuff's really... | ||
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Fucking sorry. | |
| It's coming! | ||
| We're fucked. | ||
| We're fucked. | ||
| They're coming. | ||
| I mean, whether they're using them for military, they're gonna use them for law enforcement, but we're gonna have robots wandering through the streets telling you, show your papers. | ||
| iRobot, man. | ||
| Yeah, it's gonna happen. | ||
| I remember that movie used to be so fun, because I used to think of it as like, wow, this is never gonna happen, but this is kind of crazy if it did. | ||
| And now I'm like, Jesus, when is that gonna happen? | ||
| Because you see those Boston Dynamics robots. | ||
| Like, my friend Lex Friedman has one, and it was over his house. | ||
| I was like, Jesus, man. | ||
| It's like someone having a werewolf in their house. | ||
| Like, what are you doing with this fucking thing? | ||
| Get this out of here. | ||
| I saw a robot video the other day of robots shooting at targets, and they were fucking with it. | ||
| They were hitting in the back and messing around, and it still finds its range. | ||
| I think that's fake. | ||
| Isn't that one fake? | ||
| Because there's a series of guys that do these amazing CGI things, and I think that's one of the things they did. | ||
| I hope it's fake, because that was scary. | ||
| Yeah, it's scary. | ||
| But some of the little dog robots? | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| It opened doors and stuff. | ||
| Have you ever seen that? | ||
| I think it's called Heavy Metal. | ||
| It's an episode of Black Mirror. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| Have you ever seen that episode where the robot's chasing after the lady? | ||
| That is so possible. | ||
| So possible. | ||
| All you have to do is be like, yeah, and if it's tracking with satellite, and if you have a fucking RFID chip that they can track, or some sort of a Bluetooth locator, like an AirTag, and they know where you are at all times. | ||
| We're about a decade away from a very strange world. | ||
| And we're all eating insects? | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| We're either eating insects or Bill Gates' fake meat. | ||
| He's going to make us eat his fake meat so we look like him. | ||
| These non-health experts, these really unhealthy people that want to tell people how to be healthy. | ||
| It's very strange. | ||
| And they all want to use climate change as this. | ||
| This is the main reason why you have to follow this rule that's going to enrich them beyond imagination. | ||
| If they can really get you to get off of meat and start eating a plant-based burger that their company develops or a bug-based burger. | ||
| I'm not opposed to eating bugs. | ||
| I was the host of Fear Factor. | ||
| I've eaten a lot of bugs. | ||
| Last time I went to Mexico, actually, we went to this resort, and we got to this place, and they had a bowl of stir-fried crickets. | ||
| It was like a teriyaki-flavored stir-fried cricket. | ||
| I was like, what the fuck is this? | ||
| This is like a few years back, before the pandemic, and I tried it. | ||
| It's like, it's not bad. | ||
| It's kind of salty. | ||
| They were good. | ||
| A bug is no different than a crab. | ||
| Crabs are delicious. | ||
| They're just big bugs. | ||
| That's what they are. | ||
| In fact, one of the things we found out from Fear Factor is that people that are allergic to shellfish are also allergic to roaches. | ||
| And we found that out the hard way. | ||
| I ate a roach. | ||
| That was a great show, by the way. | ||
| It's a fun show. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| But roaches don't taste bad. | ||
| They don't. | ||
| They taste like almost nothing. | ||
| It's like a flavor. | ||
| It's gross that you're eating a roach, but when you're eating it, I was like, this is nothing. | ||
| There's not much going on here. | ||
| If I had to eat roaches to stay alive, I'd eat roaches. | ||
| If I was trapped somewhere, I'd eat roaches. | ||
| It's fast. | ||
| Nah. | ||
| Nah, I'd rather be full. | ||
| I have a distorted perception of food, obviously, because of the fear factor, I think. | ||
| I know what you can eat and what you can't eat. | ||
| Most of it's psychological. | ||
| And a lot of the things that we serve people, in fact, were delicacies in other countries. | ||
| Like, I had a lot of Filipino friends, and we serve balut, which is... | ||
| I believe it's a duck. | ||
| It's a fertilized duck egg. | ||
| And so it has the embryo in the egg. | ||
| And it's a delicacy in the Philippines. | ||
| And so my Filipino friends were like, that's hilarious. | ||
| We eat that all the time. | ||
| We love it. | ||
| Have you ever seen Balut? | ||
| Yeah, I have now. | ||
| I feel like I've seen the episode. | ||
| I used to watch the show all the time. | ||
| Yeah, it's not bad. | ||
| It's just in your head. | ||
| But it's like, it's a real, like, kind of almost fully formed. | ||
| Feathers and everything. | ||
| That's it. | ||
| There you go. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| Yeah, so they had to eat that. | ||
| That little fertilized duck. | ||
| Yeah, I don't know how that ever became a delicacy. | ||
| It's probably very nutritious, if I had to guess. | ||
| I mean, it's got all the organs and everything in there. | ||
| It's probably very rich in protein. | ||
| I didn't eat one of those, but they served them. | ||
| What did you eat, though? | ||
| Like spiders and everything? | ||
| On the very first episode, I ate a sheep's eyeball. | ||
| That was not that bad either. | ||
| That's all in your head. | ||
| I ate a tomato hornworm. | ||
| Not that bad. | ||
| Didn't taste bad. | ||
| I ate an Iraqi cave-dwelling spider. | ||
| I ate live before it got in my teeth. | ||
| He was dead when I swallowed him. | ||
| I ate a Madagascar Hissing Cockroach. | ||
| That's one of the big ones. | ||
| Again, it was nothing. | ||
| It didn't taste like anything. | ||
| It was very bland. | ||
| Would you put a little Tabasco or something? | ||
| No, I think that was an episode where there was a woman who was scared to do it. | ||
| She wouldn't do it. | ||
| I believe it was Celebrity Fear Factor. | ||
| And she wouldn't do it. | ||
| And so I said, listen, if you do it, I'll do it. | ||
| Oh, yeah. | ||
| And so I said, I'll do it. | ||
| It's no big deal. | ||
| I just wanted to get her to move on. | ||
| I'm like, come on, you can do this. | ||
| But I'm so jaded by it at this point. | ||
| And now? | ||
| Yeah, same thing. | ||
| Same. | ||
| Doesn't bother me. | ||
| People could throw up right in front of me. | ||
| There it is. | ||
| So that's the lady. | ||
| So that's the... | ||
| That's the Madagascar hits. | ||
| Look at me, a full head of hair. | ||
| Back in the day. | ||
| So, it was no big deal, man. | ||
| Is that Kevin Federline? | ||
| That's me, buddy. | ||
| No, no, no. | ||
| Oh, the other guy? | ||
| No, it's the other guy. | ||
| Yeah, one of the Backstreet Boys. | ||
| Which one is it? | ||
|
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Kevin, but not Federline. | |
| Allie Landry. | ||
| It was fun. | ||
| Stephen Baldwin. | ||
| But no big deal. | ||
| It's in your head. | ||
| It's like, what am I eating? | ||
| But really, if you had to eat a bowl of them to stay alive, it's not hard. | ||
| You're not convinced. | ||
| I mean, people ate animal dicks on that show. | ||
| We served them buffalo penis. | ||
| Ladies, man. | ||
| Deer penis. | ||
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Yeah. | |
| Guys had to eat, too. | ||
| It was a weird show. | ||
| It was awesome. | ||
| But, yeah, eat the bugs. | ||
| Eat ze bugs. | ||
| Yeah, I don't understand that. | ||
| I guess it's because, I mean, it is a good source of protein. | ||
| The thing is, like cricket protein, I know guys who eat that. | ||
| They have cricket protein shakes. | ||
| Although, there's like a powdered cricket protein. | ||
| Apparently, it's like a good source of protein. | ||
| They eat it as a protein shake. | ||
|
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Well, still on the fence. | |
| You should be. | ||
| It's not as good. | ||
| Nice ribeye is better. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| You know? | ||
| Nice elk steak, nice buffalo ribeye. | ||
| That's better. | ||
| Something that you shoot, too. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| That's even better. | ||
|
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Yeah. | |
| Yeah, but I mean, it's just what we're saying. | ||
| This is a weird time in terms of like control and in terms of the influence of these forces with amazing resources that are trying to lean society into a very specific direction. | ||
| You know, the World Economic Forum's article or the rather advertisement where they're like, you will own nothing and you'll be happy. | ||
| And be happy, yeah. | ||
| Just imagine saying that to people. | ||
| Because that doesn't even make any sense because someone's going to own these things. | ||
| So who owns it? | ||
| The state? | ||
| The state owns it? | ||
| What about you? | ||
| Do you own anything? | ||
| Are people renting these things? | ||
| How's that work? | ||
| Does someone own it? | ||
| No one owns it. | ||
| So everybody can just take whatever you want. | ||
| But you're going to be happy, Joe. | ||
| You're going to be happy. | ||
| You're going to be really happy. | ||
| What if I'm already happy? | ||
| You will give us your land. | ||
| Imagine being able to say that this is going to make you happy. | ||
| How the fuck do you know what makes people happy? | ||
| I think whenever I reach a point where I think that I really don't give any fucks, then I think about the World Economic Forum. | ||
| Yeah, that is a strange thing because I never even knew that was a thing until a couple of years ago. | ||
| And then I started watching- Nothing to see here, just the world leaders talking about policy for the entire world. | ||
| Yeah, no big deal. | ||
| Nothing to worry about. | ||
| The CEO of Pfizer was on that and he was talking about a medication that you swallow that has some sort of a chip in there that can tell people whether or not you actually took the medication. | ||
| And he says, imagine the compliance. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| And this is a guy that profits at an extraordinary level from these medications. | ||
| I mean, he is insanely wealthy. | ||
| He is the CEO of one of the biggest corporations on planet Earth. | ||
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And he's saying, imagine the compliance. | |
| Compliance! | ||
| He's not saying, imagine how many healthy people we could have. | ||
| Imagine how many diseases we could cure. | ||
| Of all the words to use there. | ||
| Yes, yes. | ||
| Compliance. | ||
| Compliance is amazing. | ||
| Because that's, look, if it's about his bottom line, which it most certainly is, you know, the bottom line requires compliance. | ||
| The more compliance, the more sales. | ||
| Gotta make sure they're taking those pills. | ||
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Yeah. | |
| It's fucking wild. | ||
| Brought to you by Pfizer. | ||
| 75% of all television advertisement is all pharmaceutical drugs. | ||
| And aren't we one of the few countries that allows for- Only two. | ||
| Only two, right? | ||
| Only two. | ||
| And the other one is New Zealand. | ||
| And New Zealand is far more restrictive than us. | ||
| But all those other countries, they think that we're out of our fucking minds advertising for all these things that are going to make you happy. | ||
| There's a girl running through a wheat field and there's great music playing. | ||
| And here's the side effects. | ||
| But then we're going to finish with a happy thought running through a meadow. | ||
| Side effects are crazy. | ||
| Playing with your grandson. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| It's a strange time, man. | ||
| It's a strange time because our information, our media has been co-opted by money and the money that comes from selling pharmaceutical drugs. | ||
| And we all know, look, I remember I went and I got my nose fixed. | ||
| I had a deviated septum. | ||
| And I walked out of there and the doctor tried to give me two different painkillers. | ||
| I said, but I'm not in pain. | ||
| And he said, but you will be. | ||
| And I said, well, how's it going to get worse? | ||
| How's it going to get worse than this? | ||
| Like, it's really not that big a deal. | ||
| Like, I've been hitting my nose fucking 200 times. | ||
| I have no idea. | ||
| It was broken. | ||
| I broke my nose at least half a dozen, a dozen times. | ||
| I don't even know how many times I broke it. | ||
| Because, I mean, in training, you leave and you have a bloody nose. | ||
| It's totally normal. | ||
| Because we're talking about the deviation of cartilage. | ||
| I mean, it didn't break the physical structure of my nose more than twice that I know of, like the actual bone itself. | ||
| But the cartilage was separated and there was blood in there all the time. | ||
| So it was normal. | ||
| So this guy telling me that it's going to be worse than what I'd normally experience, I was like, how? | ||
| But he was pushing these on me. | ||
| I never took anything. | ||
| It never even hurt. | ||
| Never bothered. | ||
| Woke up in the morning waiting for the pain. | ||
| Nothing. | ||
| All I could do is breathe, you know? | ||
| I had some stuff, some big foam tube stuck up there for a couple weeks, I think. | ||
| And then it was nothing. | ||
| Yeah, I mean the pain management, especially with our sport, is fascinating to see how things are treated, and I use quotations untreated because up until probably a decade ago, you know, it was easily accessible to get Oxy, Percocet, Vicodin, whatever you wanted. | ||
| Did they make sure you weren't playing on that stuff? | ||
| No, you played, definitely. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
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Wow. | |
| And what, did you ever play on it? | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| What did you play on? | ||
| Percocet. | ||
| And what was the impact on your physical performance? | ||
| I just, I mean, it was more for pain management, so I wasn't taking, like, you know, any high dosage, but... | ||
| Stupid. | ||
| Ultimately. | ||
| You know, just... | ||
| You know, here's the thing. | ||
| I've had knee issues for a long time and, you know, you take anti-inflammatories, right? | ||
| So you're taking anti-inflammatories that all come with a warning. | ||
| If you take this more than a few weeks, you got to get your blood tested, right? | ||
| Because it can do damage to your liver. | ||
| There is so many different things you can take now. | ||
| Right. | ||
| CBD. Yeah. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| But CBD is frowned upon. | ||
| And it's always said, well, there's not enough research yet about, you know, CBD and any, you know, positive, you know, help that it can do for your body. | ||
| But we're still giving out painkillers. | ||
| Way less, and it's actually monitored now because there were a few teams that were abusing that. | ||
| Again, this was over a decade ago, I think, when they really changed the policy. | ||
| But no, it's ass backwards, the whole treatment of the professional. | ||
| Definitely in our sport. | ||
| We're still giving out that kind of stuff. | ||
| When did they stop doing it as frequently? | ||
| Was it when the opioid crisis kicked in? | ||
| No, I think there was one team that people were kind of raiding the cupboards, and then they put a stop to it. | ||
| So now it's more of a pharmacy-based thing where you've got to sign in and sign out, and it's monitored and different things. | ||
| But they don't discourage players from playing on pain pills? | ||
| No, I don't think so. | ||
| I mean, I can't imagine someone fighting on that stuff. | ||
| I mean, the USADA is very strict in terms of what you're allowed to take and what you're not allowed to take, and they test people very frequently. | ||
| So much so that, you know, Paulo Costo, who just fought in the last UFC, they actually tested him the day of the weigh-in, which caused a huge outrage because this guy cuts a lot of weight, he was dehydrating himself, and they show up at his house at 6 o'clock in the morning and asked him to test. | ||
| Which is egregious, ridiculous. | ||
| And they'll never happen again. | ||
| They put a stop to it and made sure USADA doesn't step out of line. | ||
| But at least they stop people from competing on things. | ||
| Which they should. | ||
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At least. | |
| Yeah, I mean, because I can imagine. | ||
| In the NFL, I mean, for years, you know, 70s and 80s, there was a lot of stuff, you know, guys were taking some crazy stuff. | ||
| Even when I was in high school, people were taking Rip Fuel, which is basically speed. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| You know, playing on that. | ||
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Yeah. | |
| But like tortle shots up until recently were really, you know, across the league, kind of standard. | ||
| Tortle's an anti-inflammatory, right? | ||
| Right. | ||
| But like, but some of the pain management, you know, it's been a little bit wild for a while and I just don't understand why there isn't more natural options looked into that are out there that I've researched behind it and we're still pushing the same, | ||
| you know, Percocet, Vicodin, Oxy, if you have pain and I saw at one point a teammate of mine who was unable to get treatment on a post-surgical operation without being put under anesthesia because of an addiction to pain medicine. | ||
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Wow. | |
| So he was so addicted that they couldn't even risk him trying it? | ||
| Yeah, and I know of multiple teammates over the years. | ||
| I'm talking about high school, college, and pros who have dealt with their own relapses around addiction to pain pills. | ||
| But they're so addictive. | ||
| And that's another thing that the pharmaceutical company tried to lie about. | ||
| The pharmaceutical companies tried to lie. | ||
| I mean, that's dope sick. | ||
| That's the premise of that whole show. | ||
| They were lying about whether or not these things were addictive when they knew they were. | ||
| This is the same people. | ||
| The same people that were telling you that you had to get jabbed are the same people that were telling you that opioids were not addictive. | ||
| That paid out $2.3 billion in the biggest fraud case in the history of the world. | ||
| Yeah, and then there's the Vioxx case that killed more than 60,000 Americans. | ||
| Which, when I was in college, everybody was taking Vioxx. | ||
| Everybody. | ||
| All my teammates were taking Vioxx. | ||
| It's dangerous shit. | ||
| I know a guy who had a stroke from it. | ||
| A guy who fought in the UFC. Chantix, right? | ||
| Yep. | ||
| As well? | ||
| I think you said on your show, but there's something crazy. | ||
| I can't remember the exact number, but how many different products get pulled every single month that were... | ||
| FDA approved. | ||
| FDA approved? | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| It's a lot. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| That was with John Abramson, who is a doctor who's worked to litigate against pharmaceutical companies, and in particular against Vioxx when they were doing that. | ||
| They had clear information that Vioxx was going to be damaging to people. | ||
| They knew there was problems and they literally said there's going to be some issues but we're going to do very well. | ||
| That's literally internal memo saying we're going to do well financially. | ||
| But people are going to have like that. | ||
| Those kind of issues like cardiovascular issues, blood clotting issues, strokes. | ||
| They knew it was going to kill people. | ||
| They knew it. | ||
| And they got charged. | ||
| I believe what happened was they made 12 billion and they were fined five. | ||
| Which is good profit margin. | ||
| It's just crazy that you could have any profit margin off of killing 60,000 people. | ||
| And these are the people we're supposed to trust? | ||
| Like, all of a sudden, people put aside all of their thoughts that they had kept... | ||
| You talk to anyone about whether or not the pharmaceutical companies were ethical, whether or not they were telling the truth, whether or not they promoted dangerous medications that were unnecessary, and everybody would say yes. | ||
| Those same people were calling you a plague rat. | ||
| It's kind of funny now that it's over. | ||
| But in the heat of it, it wasn't exactly the healthiest swath of the population either that was coming after. | ||
| Oh, no, no. | ||
| The people that came after me the hardest were fat. | ||
| It was hilarious. | ||
| And I was like, do you understand that whatever you're doing to your body is way, way worse than what COVID's going to do to you? | ||
| What you're doing to your body by being fat like this, if you think you're going to prevent that with some medication that just keeps you from getting COVID and it didn't, you're fucking dying, man. | ||
| You're eating yourself to death. | ||
| You're eating shitty food and you have a sedentary lifestyle and you're probably taking all sorts of pharmaceutical medication for anxiety and depression and all these other things that are fucking with your head. | ||
| It's wild, man. | ||
| It's a wild time because people really are conditioned to think that they can take a medication and cure all their ills and cure almost instantaneously something that has become a problem from lifestyle choices that you've built up over years and years and years of body abuse. | ||
| So you've abused your body for so long and then you think that all of a sudden a pain pill or this pill or that pill is going to fix all that. | ||
| And no one's telling you, hey, you've got to lose weight. | ||
| Hey, you've got to drink water. | ||
| Hey, you should really exercise on a regular basis. | ||
| Hey, what about vitamins? | ||
| Do you know about vitamin D? Go out in the sun. | ||
| 90% of the population is vitamin D deficient. | ||
| Something like that. | ||
| It's very high. | ||
| Very high. | ||
| It might have been 90%, but I don't want to get fact-checked on that one. | ||
| I think it's in the high 70s. | ||
| Okay. | ||
| I think it, let's find out what percentage of the population, it's probably diminished because there has been quite a bit of publicity during the pandemic about vitamin D deficiency because they showed what percentage of people who are in the ICU, I think it was at one point in time was 84% of the people who are in the ICU were insufficient or deficient in vitamin D. I think that's gotta be low there, 42%. | ||
| Vitamin, hmm, interesting. | ||
| It's only 42. I thought it was a lot higher than that. | ||
| That's 2018. I don't think that's accurate. | ||
| I think it's higher than that. | ||
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I think it's pulling from a different age group. | |
| That's a Cleveland Clinic over 65. I would say, something you just said a second ago, I would frame it slightly differently. | ||
| I think you said people are conditioned to think. | ||
| I think people are conditioned not to think anymore. | ||
| They're conditioned to do exactly what they're told by their news station, by their politician. | ||
| You know, people don't want to think for themselves anymore. | ||
| Well, they're conditioned at work. | ||
| Think about if you have a job. | ||
| The majority of people in this country have a job where you have a boss. | ||
| The bosses are a very small minority. | ||
| The majority of people work for that boss. | ||
| If you work for a corporation, they have very strict rules that they'd like you to follow. | ||
| There's behavior rules, there's language rules, there's dress rules, there's, you know, rules about the time you're supposed to be there and the amount of work you're supposed to do and what you're supposed to take home and what's required of you. | ||
| People are conditioned to have someone tell them what they can and can't do. | ||
| And then they get off on Friday and they can't wait to get drunk. | ||
| And that's part of why they want to get drunk, is they want to escape. | ||
| They want to escape this grind of a world. | ||
| A person who can become autonomous, a person who can have their own job, where it's their business, or it's their product that they're selling, or their art that they're selling, or something where you can be self-sufficient. | ||
| That is the biggest freedom that a person can have in this culture. | ||
| And most people don't have that freedom. | ||
| To have someone lay the rules out for them, tell them when they're supposed to be there, tell them what they get when they work for an hour. | ||
| Most people don't have the ability to just think for themselves. | ||
| It's been taken away from them because they want to make a living. | ||
| And then you get into student loans. | ||
| Well, that's the craziest one, right? | ||
| Because you can't even get rid of those. | ||
| Right? | ||
| Every other loan, you can go bankrupt. | ||
| Except for? | ||
| Student loans. | ||
| I know of people that are getting Social Security docked Their social security money is being docked because they owe student loans. | ||
| So you're at the finish line. | ||
| It's the end of your life. | ||
| And you owe money for loans you took out when you were 18. And now you're 65. That's a rough way to leave this life. | ||
| It's a rough, and the amount of interest based on it. | ||
| I was reading about this woman who took out $150,000 in student loans, and now she owes $250,000 because of all the interest and all the time. | ||
| Yeah, and how much over the course of that loan, what are you paying? | ||
| Seven figures for sure, right? | ||
| Fucking crazy! | ||
| I mean, it's a fucking business. | ||
| And it's also, for many people, something that they're not going to use for whatever occupation they choose. | ||
| I mean, maybe it will help them get a job if it shows that they have a bachelor's in this or a master's in that. | ||
| But there's a large amount of people out there that are out there working in a field that is not even their field of study in college. | ||
| So they have this student loan that didn't even apply to what they wound up doing for a living and then they have to pay it off forever. | ||
| And it's subsidized by the government. | ||
| So it's an extraordinarily expensive endeavor. | ||
| And you're making this choice when you're 18 and you don't know what the fuck you're doing. | ||
| No. | ||
| You have zero idea. | ||
| It's the most vulnerable time in your life before your frontal lobe forms. | ||
| You're not even 25 years old and you're making these life decisions that will affect you forever. | ||
| But it's not pushed. | ||
| You know, you're shamed almost if you don't go to college, right? | ||
| Oh, yeah. | ||
| It's never pushed like, hey, go learn a technical skill where you can do a year of apprenticeship or college or study and then go make six figures in a job. | ||
| One of the biggest times in my life where I felt like a loser was right out of high school, because I took a year off, and I remember just telling people that I was going to take a year off, and they're like, how could you? | ||
| So this is Boston, too, which is very hardcore, blue-collar workers and educated people that work hard. | ||
| Everybody works hard in Boston. | ||
| It's cold as fuck in the winter, and you've got to work. | ||
| Everybody works. | ||
| And so me taking a year off is like, oh, man, you're ruining your fucking life. | ||
| Joe's going to be a loser. | ||
| So I really only went to college so that people didn't think I was a loser. | ||
| That's true. | ||
| And what did you study? | ||
| Well, I went to UMass Boston, and it was one of those deals where you didn't have to have your SATs, because it was like a continuing education program. | ||
| So I just started taking courses there, and I did it for three years. | ||
| And then I was like, what am I doing? | ||
| Then I quit. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| Nice. | ||
| It worked out. | ||
| It did, but it didn't have to. | ||
| But, I mean, nothing I studied was interesting to me. | ||
| I mean, in terms of something to do for a living. | ||
| I thought, you know, what am I going to do? | ||
| I just couldn't figure out anything that was like a traditional job that seemed even remotely appealing. | ||
| Everything looked like death. | ||
| It just looked like the death of fun, the death of hopes and dreams. | ||
| It was just... | ||
| But also, you're 18, 19, and 20. Yeah. | ||
| I was so full of energy, too, and I just wanted to go do stuff. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| The last thing I wanted to do is sit in some fucking classroom and listen to some nonsense and memorize it. | ||
| That's what I like about friends in Australia or Europe. | ||
| Most of those kids, they finish school and then they take a year, right? | ||
| They save up their money and then they take a year of traveling, going to different cultures, areas, come to the States, different parts of Europe, Asia, whatever, and... | ||
| Go to different cultures. | ||
| Think about things. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| Find out what's attractive to you. | ||
| Yeah, what they're into. | ||
| Be different people. | ||
| Yeah, that's one of the great things about social media now is that people are able to make a living off of things that were very difficult to pursue, like art. | ||
| Like, if you have, like, really good art, you can, you know, post it on social media and people share it, and the next thing you know, you have orders coming in and you're painting for a living. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| I love it. | ||
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It's great. | |
| It's amazing. | ||
| It's one of the beautiful things about our time. | ||
| The more people can escape a system where someone tells you what to do, I think the better. | ||
| I mean, there's some people that want that, and that's fine. | ||
| There's nothing wrong with wanting a good job. | ||
| There's great jobs out there. | ||
| Nothing wrong with that. | ||
| But if you're one of those people like me that just can't fucking sit still, and that seemed impossible to you, you know, back then, you know, you just felt like a loser. | ||
| You felt like a fool. | ||
| Yeah, for sure. | ||
| I mean, what colleges did you get in? | ||
| Oh, I didn't get in this one. | ||
| Didn't get in the UC. There's so much pressure on people. | ||
| And there's zero... | ||
| I mean, when you were a kid and you were playing football, what was the attitude about playing in the NFL? Was it that this was a pipe dream? | ||
| Was it something that was realistic because you were talented? | ||
| How did people approach that? | ||
| I was on a spring break trip with a buddy of mine, I remember, and yes, we were 15 hours in a 15-passenger van going down to Mexico doing some humanitarian work down there. | ||
| That was how I'd spent my sophomore year. | ||
| And I remember we, you know, you're talking about who knows what, because back then you might have had a Walkman, but other than that, you didn't have any technology. | ||
| And my buddy said, you know, what do you want to do? | ||
| And I said, I want to play in the NFL. He's like, yeah, right. | ||
| You should call that dude up every month. | ||
| But it was a pipe dream. | ||
| It was a dream, for sure, but a pipe dream. | ||
| One of my favorite stories about somebody who didn't believe in me was I had this teacher at Cal, and I wrote this paper in a food appreciation class. | ||
| That was the class, food appreciation. | ||
| I could go to that class. | ||
| And there's like 15 kids on the team in that class. | ||
| Class of like, let's say 120 people, right? | ||
| And I wrote a paper, and she said I cited incorrectly. | ||
| So we had these breakout classes. | ||
| Of the 120, there'd be like six breakout classes of 20. So in my class of 20, let's say 15. It was like three-fourths. | ||
| So 15 of the kids didn't cite it exactly how she said. | ||
| 14 of them got to rewrite the paper. | ||
| Not me. | ||
| So I said, okay. | ||
| I'm gonna go see her at her hours, right? | ||
| So at Cal, we had practice at 2 o'clock. | ||
| So you had to be up top at the football facility at 2 o'clock. | ||
| So I told my quarterback coach, I'm gonna be late this day. | ||
| I gotta go to this teacher's Hours will start at 2 o'clock. | ||
| So I went to her office and she was ready for me. | ||
| She had my paper out. | ||
| I said, look, I'm not asking for a special privilege here, but the other 14 kids who got an F on the paper got to re-write the paper and I didn't. | ||
| And she ripped me apart. | ||
| You are an entitled athlete. | ||
| You expect things to be given to you. | ||
| What are you going to do with your life? | ||
| I said, I'm going to play in the NFL. She said, no way in hell. | ||
| No way in hell? | ||
| You won't make it. | ||
| You'll get hurt. | ||
| You'll never make it. | ||
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Whoa. | |
| You will need your education and you will never make it. | ||
| And what I've seen from you is you won't amount to anything. | ||
| Oh my God. | ||
| And I said, watch me. | ||
| What a terrible thing to say to a kid. | ||
| Big props to that food appreciation teacher at Cal for trying to ruin my life and my dreams, and he just gave me some ammo. | ||
| What a just irresponsible way to communicate with someone who's young and has their whole life ahead of them. | ||
| But then again, that's part of the problem is that people don't have their whole life ahead of them anymore. | ||
| And then they see people coming up and they get upset. | ||
| They're upset by people that they deem to be privileged or they deem to have a better place in life than they had. | ||
| The crazy thing is I was probably the best athlete student in that class, and the one who was actually trying to take it seriously. | ||
| So she specifically singled you out just because you're an athlete and didn't allow you to... | ||
| So she wanted to damage your grades. | ||
| The best part is, so I'm late to my QB meeting, and I have a meeting after practice that day with the liaison. | ||
| I don't know what his exact title was, but he was a liaison between the players and the school, basically. | ||
| And I said, hey, look... | ||
| Here's what happened. | ||
| I went in this office. | ||
| I told the whole story. | ||
| I was trying to get the same treatment as the other 14 kids who had to rewrite the paper. | ||
| And she kind of ripped my ass and was a little derogatory. | ||
| I didn't think that was fair or appropriate. | ||
| They brought some heat down on her, so she had a vendetta against me. | ||
| At the end of the semester, she wrote up a three-page paper trying to get me expelled from campus. | ||
| I had to go in front of the Judicial Affairs Board at Cal in some kangaroo court. | ||
| And ended up having to write... | ||
| It was two options. | ||
| One, expulsion. | ||
| Or two, I could write an apology letter to this teacher. | ||
| She made up all this great shit. | ||
| I was late to class every day. | ||
| I was disruptive. | ||
| I literally was on time every day, sat in the middle of the row, and was probably one of the only football players actually taking notes and paying attention. | ||
| So she just lied? | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| Wow. | ||
| Wow. | ||
| Maybe she had a thing with football players. | ||
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I don't know. | |
| It's so sad that there's people like that out there. | ||
| Isn't that social media to an extent now? | ||
| It's people who are upset and bitter and want to be offended by something, and so they'll do anything. | ||
| To, like, make themselves feel better. | ||
| If I can put somebody down, if I can rip somebody apart, if I can find somebody offended about, and then away we go. | ||
| That's that old expression, right? | ||
| Hurt people hurt people. | ||
| She's a damaged lady when she decided to take it out on you. | ||
| Took it out on the wrong person, though. | ||
| I bet she took it out on a lot of people that were the right person. | ||
| She's probably pretty effective with those tactics. | ||
| It's like, hey, lady, you're teaching a fucking food appreciation class. | ||
| What do you learn in food appreciation? | ||
| Is it just like appreciation of different culinary styles? | ||
| What are you learning? | ||
| I couldn't tell you. | ||
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Nothing stuck with me. | |
| Except her attitude. | ||
| Yeah, that's unfortunate, man. | ||
| There's a lot of people like that. | ||
| And some of them, they ruin lives. | ||
| And some of them, they just give people fuel. | ||
| They give people anger and determination to prove that person wrong. | ||
| Yeah, but the shit part is, like you said, for me, it made me just work that much harder because I'm like another person that I can prove wrong. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| But for people not as mentally tough or more easily offended or hurt by something like that, I mean... | ||
| It's possible, like you said, that she could have, you know, been detrimental to other people. | ||
| Why? | ||
| Because you have some tiny position of power? | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| And you have some sort of vendetta against, what, the world? | ||
| That you're teaching a food appreciation class? | ||
| Yeah, the power. | ||
| That's the big one, right? | ||
| The fact that she had that ability. | ||
| That is so intoxicating for people. | ||
| They have control over folks. | ||
| When I talk about power, I talk about the head of a homeowners association. | ||
| Homeowners association? | ||
| HOA. Oh, yeah. | ||
| The people that run those things. | ||
| I was in an HOA years ago, and I was trying to get a fence built behind my house, because there was like a running trail behind it, and I like my privacy. | ||
| And I went to this meeting, and the guy in front of me, poor guy, he had to paint five different colors on his garage of the color he wanted to paint his house, and had to have people from the community come by and vote on it. | ||
| Oh my God. | ||
| And he had come by, this was the second month that he had came by, and this 80-year-old woman, who has just an ounce of power in the community, who's running the HOA, goes, I'm sorry, sir, you don't have enough votes. | ||
| You gotta come back next month. | ||
| This fucking guy's just trying to paint his, you know, his fucking house and he's got like, you know, it's five shades of like between tan and brown, you know, it's all the same goddamn color. | ||
| Oh, God. | ||
| Come on, man. | ||
| That's hilarious. | ||
| Yeah, I've seen people get very upset about that. | ||
| In fact, this community that I lived in, there was a homeowners association dispute and then somebody poisoned the dogs. | ||
| Of people that were running the Homeowners Association. | ||
| So like two different dogs got poisoned and they never figured out who did it. | ||
| They don't know what happened but this person, whoever it was, killed people's dogs because they didn't like the way they were being treated by the Homeowners Association. | ||
| Yeah, man, fucking... | ||
| Some people need conflict in their life, you know, and that, you know, and being told what to do by someone in the Homeowners Association, it's a fucking... | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| Yeah, it's a strange thing, man. | ||
| Power. | ||
| Power is a weird weapon that people wield. | ||
| And they really enjoy it. | ||
| When you're the boss of an office building or you're the person that gets to tell a student that they can't rewrite their paper. | ||
| There's people that get off on that shit. | ||
| It's the most intoxicating drug, I think, probably. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| There's some other ones, though, that are pretty intoxicating. | ||
| Yeah, there's some other ones. | ||
| Sometimes they mix them. | ||
| Sometimes they're on one when they're getting the natural one from telling you what to do. | ||
| Yeah, it's awful. | ||
| But again, there's always those stories, right? | ||
| There's always those stories of people that try to hold someone back and it doesn't work and then you get to tell people about it. | ||
| It's great. | ||
| I'm thankful for it. | ||
| Yeah, right. | ||
| There's people in your life that their shitty attitude gives you fuel. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| And it also, it's a lesson to never behave that way. | ||
| I mean, not that you ever would, but it's like a real affirmation of that. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| It doesn't take a whole lot to show a little bit of kindness. | ||
| No, and it's great for you too. | ||
| That's what people need to understand. | ||
| They think that by being kind, you're just being good to that person at the detriment of yourself or at your own expense. | ||
| But no, it's the opposite. | ||
| It's actually selfish to be nice because it feels great to be kind and generous. | ||
| It feels great. | ||
| It's amazing. | ||
| It's nice. | ||
| It's the best. | ||
| Yeah, nothing wrong with it. | ||
| So it's just people need to learn that. | ||
| There's so many examples that they see, at least they think that this is what's happening, where this mean, shitty person who tells everybody what to do and is a dictator, that person gets ahead. | ||
| So they think that they have to be like that. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| That has always been the Hollywood way, right? | ||
| That's like Ari Gold from Entourage. | ||
| You succeed by telling everybody to fuck off and yell at everybody and kick them out. | ||
| And I think there's a lot of people that want to get to that place where they can do that to people. | ||
| They have to listen. | ||
| Everybody has to kiss my ass. | ||
| That's what's glorified in TV shows and movies, right? | ||
| Is that archetype of the don't give a fuck leader who gets everybody to do exactly what he wants them to do or she wants them to do. | ||
| There's other ways of maybe living and doing things. | ||
| Yeah, there are, but not if you have shitty employees. | ||
| Then there's that problem. | ||
| There's people that don't want to listen, they're not good, and you have to crack the whip, and then I think over time it becomes easier to be that sort of shitty dictator than it is to have this sort of balanced, nuanced approach to people and communicate with them and try to help them do better. | ||
| Can you just fire those people? | ||
| You should. | ||
| Yeah, you should probably just fire those people. | ||
| And you're gone. | ||
| And then you get sued. | ||
| You know what I mean? | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| In this day and age, people decide you singled them out because of their sexual orientation or the way they look or what part of the world they're from. | ||
| And it's like... | ||
| It's a strange time. | ||
| It's a time of a lot of information, a lot of communication, but also a lot of chaos. | ||
| There's got to be a reset, though. | ||
| I feel like there's got to be rebalancing at some point. | ||
| I feel like it's happening. | ||
| Yeah? | ||
| Yeah, I mean... | ||
| How so? | ||
| I just think people are fed up. | ||
| I think there's a large percentage of the population that realize that... | ||
| A lot of the behavior that you're seeing people exhibit and a lot of the chaos of this online mob culture, it's negative. | ||
| It's not helpful and maybe they've been through it or know someone has been through it or maybe they even participated in it and they feel terrible. | ||
| And they don't want it anymore. | ||
| I hope so for like comedy. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| And what it's the attack on comedy. | ||
| College campus safe spaces. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| That's where I worry about it. | ||
| Because remember, I was talking years ago, like back 2014, 2015, we were mocking these stories that are coming out of colleges and the way people are behaving. | ||
| And just the general, the rules of discourse, the way they were limiting the way people communicate about things. | ||
| And I was saying that I think this is a real problem. | ||
| People saying, well, why do you care about that? | ||
| This has nothing to do with you. | ||
| You know, you're a middle-aged comedian. | ||
| This is not going to affect your life. | ||
| I'm like, that's going to, those guys are going to graduate. | ||
| These people that have this attitude are going to graduate and then they're going to infect corporations. | ||
| Then it's going to spread. | ||
| And that's exactly what happened. | ||
| And I wasn't the only one that was thinking this either. | ||
| There was a lot of people that were sort of sounding the alarm early on. | ||
| Some of the funniest ones were Peter Boghossian, Helen Pluckros, and James Lindsay. | ||
| They put together these grievance studies, these fake studies, and one was homoerotic behavior and rape culture in dog parks. | ||
| So they put together these fake- and they got awards for these studies. | ||
| And one of them was fat bodybuilding. | ||
| Yeah, they put together a fat bodybuilding study, and these studies were peer-reviewed, and they got applause for these things and praise. | ||
| And then, you know, they all got in trouble when it turned out that these were fake studies. | ||
| But they were trying to highlight a real problem with nonsense, ridiculous coddling and nonsense of terrible ideas. | ||
| And that these ideologies were not objective or that they're not rational. | ||
| And they were trying to express that. | ||
| And they did it through humor. | ||
| And people were very, very upset that they got duped. | ||
| And even then, I remember people saying, like, why do you care? | ||
| I'm like, what do you mean, why do I care? | ||
| This is going to spread. | ||
| I have children. | ||
| They're going to go to these schools. | ||
| They're going to learn this stuff. | ||
| Like, this is not good. | ||
| And you think it's changing? | ||
| I think so. | ||
| I don't think it's changing that much in colleges. | ||
| In colleges, I think it's probably doubling down. | ||
| I think colleges are going to be the real breeding ground for those sort of mental diseases. | ||
| So what has to change, do you think? | ||
| People stopped going to college. | ||
| I don't know. | ||
| No, I think... | ||
| Well, now they got their loans paid for, so... | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| Well, they only got $10,000 worth. | ||
| It was a fucking weird gesture. | ||
| Well, they didn't have much money left after they sent all that money to Ukraine, so we got... | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| And to hire 87,000 IRS agents. | ||
| And arm them. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| That was one of the best things about the ad when they were calling out for people that you might have to use lethal force. | ||
| Like, since when does a fucking IRS agent shoot people? | ||
| Like, aren't you just supposed to collect money? | ||
| Like, why are you shooting people? | ||
| Why is that in the job description? | ||
| I don't know if you remember this, and maybe Jamie can look it up so it verifies this, but... | ||
| I believe a few years ago when there was an ammo shortage, there was conversation around the fact that kind of bizarrely the government and I believe at the time the IRS had bought up something like over a billion or a couple billion rounds of ammunition. | ||
| I remember thinking at the time, maybe it's TSA as well. | ||
| I remember thinking, I feel like IRS, what do they need ammunition for? | ||
| That's kind of strange, right? | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| Yeah, I don't know why the IRS would need ammunition. | ||
| Unless there's some person who won't pay taxes and is holed up. | ||
| GOP wants answers on IRS's $700,000 ammo stockpile as Dems okay $80 billion for agency enforcement. | ||
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| Well, this is just a week ago. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| Yeah, it's a lot of ammo. | ||
| For what? | ||
| Isn't it a bunch of CPAs? | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| They like to be strapped. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| Just in case someone comes through the files. | ||
| I would imagine there would be a situation where someone was a criminal, and they were hiding their taxes, and the IRS agents were in danger because they were going to target the IRS agent that was investigating their case. | ||
| I could imagine that, but I think that would be a rare thing, and you would involve traditional law enforcement. | ||
| I mean, are they technically law enforcement? | ||
| What's the technical definition of IRS? It's not law enforcement, is it? | ||
| I guess so, right? | ||
| Kind of. | ||
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| Responsible for collecting taxes and administering their Internal Revenue Code, the main body of the federal statutory tax law. | ||
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Strapped. | |
| Strapped. | ||
| Looking like John Wick showing up at your house, looking for that extra $2,000. | ||
| Jeez. | ||
| I mean, it all comes down to glorified revenue collectors. | ||
| I mean, that's what, unfortunately, that's what they turned a lot of police officers into, too. | ||
| You see all these, you know, these speed traps and traffic stops and all the... | ||
| I mean, they're just glorified revenue collectors in some places. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| How does that change? | ||
| You know, how does that get better? | ||
| How do we flip that? | ||
| Well, I mean, anarchists, their solution is that, I mean, I saw Michael Malice actually talking about this the other day, and he was making some very good points. | ||
| And he was saying that there's no accountability when it comes to the police. | ||
| In that if they were a private institution, they would have accountability. | ||
| Like, if it was a private institution that was hired to take care of things, they would be able to say, hey, you've done a terrible job of enforcing crime. | ||
| Look at all this crime. | ||
| Like, what justifies your pay? | ||
| You've done a terrible job of this. | ||
| You've confiscated resources from people and not returned them. | ||
| You owe them that. | ||
| That was one of the things they were doing in the South. | ||
| In Florida. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| A couple states were doing it, where they would pull you over. | ||
| Say if you were on your way to go buy a car and you had $25,000 in a bag, they would just confiscate that money. | ||
| And then you would have to prove Even if you had a job. | ||
| Like you say, look, I make $100,000 a year. | ||
| I saved up 25 grand. | ||
| I'm going to go buy this 69 Camaro. | ||
| No, no, no. | ||
| We take that money, and then you have to prove. | ||
| So you have to wait in court, and then you have to somehow or another get a court order to give you that money back. | ||
| And I think a large percentage of that money was never returned. | ||
| And they can pound your vehicle and then sell your vehicle? | ||
| Yes, yes. | ||
| And you would have to prove all these things that you weren't just... | ||
| I mean, it's just cash. | ||
| Like, meanwhile, if you have the exact same amount in the bank, oh, you're a good guy. | ||
| You saved up your money. | ||
| You're probably frugal. | ||
| You know? | ||
| Look at this. | ||
| He's got all this money in the bank. | ||
| Great. | ||
| But how long before that happens? | ||
| Like, why do you have all this money in the bank? | ||
| Right. | ||
| You know? | ||
| Well, you have $25,000 in the bank. | ||
| Well, we're going to freeze that money until we investigate how you acquired $25,000. | ||
| I mean, all of these different draconian measures that they use to make their life easier and their life more convenient and certainly enrich the coffers of these states and their budgets. | ||
| That all would be eliminated if they were accountable and if there was some sort of a privatized version of the police. | ||
| He was making a very interesting argument about it that I'd never really considered before. | ||
| And I don't know if that's the solution, but something has to change. | ||
| I don't think private prisons are the solution. | ||
| That's definitely not the solution. | ||
| No. | ||
| That's definitely not the solution. | ||
| That's incentivizing people to create ways where people are doing something illegal. | ||
| And that's what we found when you look into marijuana legalization. | ||
| One of the biggest opponents of marijuana legalization was prison guard unions. | ||
| Prison guard unions wanted no part of that because that's going to have less people in prison, so there's going to be less jobs for prison guards, which is fucking wild. | ||
| So you're basically using people as a battery to generate money. | ||
| You're basically using human beings and you're coming up with reasons to lock them up and put them in a cage and that generates revenue for your company. | ||
| And you're actively trying to make sure that laws stay in place that are unjust because those laws, as they are now, are profitable for you. | ||
| We were reading about this case of this guy who was selling pot to an undercover cop. | ||
| On four different occasions, he sold pot to an undercover cop. | ||
| And when you add up all of the amount of pot that he sold, it was about an ounce. | ||
| And they put him in jail for 15 years. | ||
| And this is in Phoenix, where marijuana is now legal. | ||
| So this guy is in jail in Phoenix for 15 years for selling something that you can now buy at a store. | ||
| Is he out now? | ||
| No, they denied his clemency because of his past record, which I think is really ridiculous, because if someone gets arrested and they do something and they get out, in my mind, they did their time. | ||
| This is a person that was punished for whatever crime. | ||
| You can't apply this other crime that they've already been punished for to some new crime that, in my eyes, shouldn't be a crime at all. | ||
| Not violent crimes. | ||
| No. | ||
| That's a large percentage of the people that are in jail in this country. | ||
| That's why the hypocrisy about the Brittany Griner situation was so egregious in this country, where Kamala Harris is talking about how horrible it is that Brittany Griner's in jail. | ||
| Well, you put people in jail. | ||
| You did. | ||
| Thousands of people in jail for marijuana. | ||
| Yeah, it's crazy. | ||
| Hello? | ||
| Yeah, and that was like the student loan debt forgiveness. | ||
| That's great. | ||
| But how come you guys didn't exonerate people that were in jail for marijuana when you said you were going to? | ||
| They said that they were going to make marijuana federally legal. | ||
| They said they were going to exonerate prisoners who are in jail for nonviolent drug offenses. | ||
| That's what they said. | ||
| None of that has happened. | ||
| You mean a politician said something they ran on and then didn't actually enact that said policy? | ||
| I know, it's crazy. | ||
| It rarely happens. | ||
| But occasionally you catch them. | ||
| I'll tell you what gets me, and I don't really want to dwell too much on the COVID stuff anymore, but one thing that really sticks with me when you're talking about things that the government could do to make people's lives better is... | ||
| You know, I'm 38. People that, you know, around my age I grew up with, went to high school with, college with, a lot of them are in that age group now where people are starting their own business. | ||
| They've worked in corporate maybe. | ||
| They've figured out exactly what they want to do. | ||
| They start their own small business. | ||
| And small business is the backbone of America, right? | ||
| And how many thousands and thousands and thousands of small businesses closed and never opened again? | ||
| Restaurants, bars, establishments like that because of COVID, right? | ||
| And safety, you know? | ||
| Started as two weeks to flatten the curve and then went to lockdowns in places like Chico, California, where I'm from, where there were multiple stretches of time where there were zero cases. | ||
| the entire city of 80,000 or hardly any you know less than a hundred and you got small businesses in a small town college town that could not open their doors and many of these establishments that I went to in high school and college and going back and visiting never opened again yeah some of my favorite restaurants in LA are gone I think at one point in time, L.A. had lost 75% of its restaurants, which is insane. | ||
| It's insanity. | ||
| It's so hard to run a restaurant already. | ||
| And so what are they going to do for those people? | ||
| Nothing. | ||
| Nothing. | ||
| And no accountability. | ||
| No accountability for these decisions that show there was no science behind it. | ||
| John Hopkins comes out of the study talking about these lockdowns more detriment than good. | ||
| And they're not the only research place that's done these type of studies. | ||
| But are they going to go back and reverse it? | ||
| And they say, oh, tough shit, sorry. | ||
| Because I think on one level, it's really one of two extremes, right? | ||
| Either they really thought they were doing the right thing. | ||
| Or... | ||
| There's some coordinated plan. | ||
| Maybe it's somewhere in the middle. | ||
| I don't think there's a coordinated plan. | ||
| I think people were trying to... | ||
| I'm just saying what people think, right? | ||
| Well, I have a friend and his brother works for the COVID response, whatever it is, in California. | ||
| And you remember when they had made a decision to close outdoor dining? | ||
| And it turned out that one of the people that made that decision the day she did it went out and was dining outdoors. | ||
| I thought you meant Gavin Newsom going to French Laundry. | ||
| Oh, yeah. | ||
| Yeah, that was fun. | ||
| This was a different one, but he had a statement. | ||
| He was like, when they were talking, he said, well, dude, what evidence is there that it's spread in outdoor dining? | ||
| And she said, it's about optics. | ||
| So this was a decision that this politician had decided to make, this bureaucrat decided to make, to show that they're doing something. | ||
| Because the numbers had gone up, so we're going to stop outdoor dining, which showed zero transmission. | ||
| There was no cases that were connecting to outdoor dining. | ||
| Especially in the early days of COVID. I think they've since revised that. | ||
| Omicron apparently is so contagious and some of the new strains are more contagious and they think there may be some instances of outdoor spread. | ||
| But that was not the case back then. | ||
| Joe, they closed the beaches in California. | ||
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Yeah. | |
| They closed the beaches. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| Where I live in California and all along the coast. | ||
| Oh, yeah. | ||
| Remember that one guy who was getting arrested by the Coast Guard because he was parasailing or something? | ||
| No, he was surfing. | ||
| Yeah, he was surfing. | ||
| The Coast Guard! | ||
| You're out there by yourself. | ||
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Yeah. | |
| On a surfboard. | ||
| They're supposed to be stopping terrorists. | ||
| Passing COVID to the dolphins or what? | ||
| Come on. | ||
| What are we doing? | ||
| It's so dumb. | ||
| But, you know, I hope there's lessons learned in this because this is a new thing. | ||
| We had never had this before. | ||
| No one who was alive today had ever experienced a true pandemic. | ||
| And I'm hoping that now that this is over, people are going to, you know, recognize that some serious errors were made and not repeat those. | ||
| That's the best you can get out of it. | ||
| But as far as compensation for all those people that were forced to close their businesses and keep their doors shuttered and lost everything that they'd worked for decades to build, no, they're just going to be angry. | ||
| So what do you tell those people? | ||
| Vote Republican. | ||
| That's what a lot of them are going to do anyway. | ||
| Yeah? | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| Oh, yeah. | ||
| I mean, more than a million people transferred over to the Republican Party, I think, in 2021 alone. | ||
| Find out what that number is. | ||
| But you look at guys like Ron DeSantis, who kept Florida open and had some pretty reasonable policies in terms of what to do about COVID. And he mapped it out on television. | ||
| He was widely criticized for this. | ||
| Where he was saying, like, we need to protect our elders. | ||
| We need to, you know, make sure that medical care is available for those people and everyone else. | ||
| You should be able to do whatever you want to do. | ||
| Protect your freedom. | ||
| Isn't that the point, though, I think, to learn from this? | ||
| Yeah, here it is. | ||
| More than one million voters switched to the GOP raising alarms for Democrats. | ||
| The fuck can you think? | ||
| A political shift is beginning to hold across the U.S. as tens of thousands of suburban swing voters who helped fuel the Democratic Party's gains in recent years of becoming Republicans. | ||
| More than one million voters across 43 states have switched the Republican Party over the last year. | ||
| And that's registered. | ||
| That's registering as a... | ||
| That means you can vote in the primary, right? | ||
| But Joe Biden's the most popular president in history. | ||
| Yeah, he's the best. | ||
| I mean, there's no one better. | ||
| He's best at talking. | ||
| He's best at walking upstairs. | ||
| Good handshaker. | ||
| He's good at riding bikes. | ||
| He shakes hands with ghosts. | ||
| He's not a fan of mine, I don't think. | ||
| No? | ||
| No. | ||
| Did he say anything about you? | ||
| One thing, he was in Wisconsin for a rally. | ||
| He said, tell your quarterback to get vaccinated. | ||
| I remember there was some crisis that was going on, and I remember, oh, it was a hurricane that was coming. | ||
| They said, the best thing you can do is get vaccinated. | ||
| That's not it. | ||
| It's like, what? | ||
| End of quote. | ||
| Jesus Christ, buddy. | ||
| You've seen him on the prompter when he said that. | ||
| Yes. | ||
| Repeat the quote. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| End of sentence. | ||
| Repeat the quote. | ||
| Democrats gotta be thinking, how do we go from Obama to this? | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| Well, even Obama said it. | ||
| Like, Obama was famously quoted as saying, you know, Joe has an amazing capacity to fuck things up. | ||
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| I mean, he was a dumb guy when he was okay. | ||
| I mean, he's never a bright guy. | ||
| I mean, he's very well known as a liar. | ||
| Like, there's all these videos of him lying about his education record, lying about so many different accomplishments that he's achieved in his life. | ||
| He was always a bullshit artist. | ||
| And not just a bullshit artist, but like a liar. | ||
| Like a flat-out liar. | ||
| I graduated at the top of my class. | ||
| No, you didn't. | ||
| How would you not know that? | ||
| How do you not know you didn't graduate at the top of your class? | ||
| You definitely didn't. | ||
| You know, why are you saying that? | ||
| Did somebody hit you over the head and tell you that? | ||
| Like, what the fuck are you talking about? | ||
| And the fact that he was... | ||
| Do you know, we used to have Joe Biden night at Stitch's Comedy Club in Boston because he got caught plagiarizing. | ||
| So he got caught plagiarizing when he was running for president in 1988. So in 1988, we had Joe Biden night, where, like, you would do my act and I would do your act. | ||
| We would all plagiarize each other. | ||
| It was for fun, just for comedians, and people would come by and watch. | ||
| That's how well known he was of being a liar. | ||
| And that's what, 34 years ago? | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| But you know what? | ||
| I think they counted on people's ability to ignore negative press and also the polarization of this country because people hated Donald Trump so bad that Trump represented an opposition that had to be stopped. | ||
| And so this was an established Democrat. | ||
| He'd been around for years and We could probably win with him. | ||
| It turns out they were right. | ||
| But see, that's the problem with politics. | ||
| Now it swings because you've got Weekend at Bernie's up there trying to read the prompter, and then some Republican steps up and is going to change the country and get us back to America first and whatever the hell slogan it's going to be, and then four years later it's going to swing back the other way. | ||
| That's why I always say politics is a sham, man. | ||
| Well, it definitely is that. | ||
| If you always say that, you're right. | ||
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It is. | |
| Because people are always like, you're a right-wing, anti-vaxxer, flat-earther. | ||
| And I'm like, politics is fucking bullshit. | ||
| Left, right. | ||
| I do like Obama. | ||
| I played golf with him. | ||
| I do like him. | ||
| He's very... | ||
| Interesting guy. | ||
| A lot of charisma. | ||
| The best president in my lifetime, for sure. | ||
| He was the most statesman-like, the most articulate. | ||
| He was the most reasonable and measured. | ||
| He embodied in my mind what I would like to represent the United States. | ||
| When the world sees the United States, let's have this super-educated, clear-minded, Just really smooth talker. | ||
| Seemed like a very nice guy. | ||
| Well put together. | ||
| Plays basketball. | ||
| See how good he is at basketball? | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| He's a good golfer, too. | ||
| Was he? | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| Did you win? | ||
| Did you beat him? | ||
| I had one of the rounds of my life. | ||
| Yeah? | ||
| Thankfully. | ||
| I played good. | ||
| I burned the first two holes. | ||
| Oh, nice. | ||
| But that was a highlight for sure. | ||
| That was nice. | ||
| Cool story. | ||
| Let me just tell you this one cool story. | ||
| So in 2010, we played the Washington Redskins at the time, and one of our receivers knew a Secret Service agent and got us a White House tour. | ||
| So we went to D.C. and got a tour, and Mr. President came back on that Saturday from actually a round of golf, and they shuttered us into the side where, you know, you can't see the President, you gotta get out of the way. | ||
| And he actually came, he heard we were there, and he came and met all of us in 2010, which is so cool. | ||
| And then we played golf in 2016, his last year in office, and at the end of the round, he was like... | ||
| How you guys getting back? | ||
| And I was with Mark Kelly, who's now the senator in Arizona, and we're like, oh, we just Ubered out here. | ||
| He's like, yeah, ride back with me in the motorcade. | ||
| I was like, fuck yeah, sweet. | ||
| So we ride back in the motorcade, which is a wild experience, like nine cars. | ||
| One of them's got the codes in it or something, I think. | ||
| Oh, boy. | ||
| We get back in the White House, and we walk in, and Mr. President goes, This is just like the first day we met. | ||
| And I was like, how fucking cool is that? | ||
| This dude, I met him six years ago on this same thing, you know, like on a Saturday after a golf round. | ||
| And he's like... | ||
| Yeah, this is like the first time we met. | ||
| Wow. | ||
| I was like, that's so cool. | ||
| That's pretty dope. | ||
| To just be like that present and aware. | ||
| And then me and Mark Kelly, who flew a space shuttle three times, before his brother spent a year in space, I think he spent the most time in space, walked out of the front door of the White House onto Pennsylvania Avenue. | ||
| Wow. | ||
| That was a cool experience. | ||
| That's pretty dope. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| Well, he was the best we had to offer in terms of what represented. | ||
| But still, there was a lot of people that didn't appreciate him. | ||
| He experienced a lot of racism. | ||
| He experienced a lot of unjust hate. | ||
| I remember when Fox News was criticizing him because he wore a tan suit. | ||
| Yeah, I can't do that. | ||
| It's his beautiful suit. | ||
| It's got to be the wrong color. | ||
| It's got to be blue, and it's got to be a red tie or a blue tie, right? | ||
| That's it. | ||
| That's all you got. | ||
| They're like the Homeowners Association of politics. | ||
| Like, what the fuck is wrong with this suit? | ||
| It's a nice suit. | ||
| You're not going to make anybody happy, man. | ||
| No. | ||
| Yeah, it's not possible. | ||
| But that's why no one wants that job. | ||
| Because no matter who you are, what you represent, someone's going to decide that you're evil. | ||
| Even if they don't believe it, there's going to be some pundit, some radio politics personality that's going to talk all kinds of crazy shit about you and make up stories about you. | ||
| I feel like the last 10 years, it's really, don't you feel that both sides, the extremes, have gotten farther apart? | ||
| Like, I feel like for a while it was maybe the right had kind of been more extreme than the left, but I feel like now both sides, there's a real extreme wing to both sides, and there's even a greater divide between the two parties. | ||
| Yes. | ||
| Yeah, I think that's in part due to the reaction of Trump. | ||
| You know, to Trump himself, the way he carries himself, I mean, he's a... | ||
| He's that guy that got famous from saying you're fired. | ||
| He got famous and he got all this press from all these crazy statements that he would make. | ||
| And they would give him all this press and that's what helped get him elected. | ||
| But it also just made people so angry. | ||
| I remember we had an End of the World podcast that we did on 2016 during the election. | ||
| So we did this live podcast from the Comedy Store. | ||
| And I remember we went into the bar after it was all over and we watched CNN and we were watching like Jake Tapper and all these people like so depressed. | ||
| They were so angry and so just it was so visibly obvious that these are not objective journalists that are just talking about this thing that happened but they had a very clear mandate and they had a very clear role that they were playing and that role was that we are the people that oppose this terrible thing that has just happened. | ||
| Where we have legally elected, because of people's opinions, this person, who more than half the person, or at least the Electoral College votes, more than half had decided should be the president. | ||
| So the people had chosen, and they were like, the people are wrong. | ||
| It was wild. | ||
| It was wild to see because I was like, this is interesting because it's like, this is one of the clearest examples of, it's just, they're not objective. | ||
| These are not journalists. | ||
| These are not people that are just reporting on actual facts. | ||
| They had to have this opinion, this dour face and everyone was very upset. | ||
| Very upset. | ||
| Which, I mean, I understand it if you're not a journalist. | ||
| I understand if you're just a person, and you were a person who thought Hillary Clinton should be president, and then you saw this guy win, and you're like, what the fuck? | ||
| But you're not just a person, you're a fucking journalist. | ||
| And your job is to tell people what's happening. | ||
| But that's not journalism anymore. | ||
| It's sensationalism. | ||
| You have ten words on an ESPN front page to try and denote what a story is about to tell you. | ||
| And how do I get the most clicks on this article just written? | ||
| I better make it the craziest fucking headline possible. | ||
| Just because if you click on that and you're on the page for one second, that counts as a page view. | ||
| But what they didn't understand, and I think they recognize now that there's new leadership at CNN, was that that diminishes public trust. | ||
| CNN Plus doesn't exist anymore. | ||
| It was a great idea, but unfortunately they lost $300 million in 10 days, and so they pulled the plug. | ||
| So weird, because I thought it was going to take off. | ||
| I mean, who wouldn't want to pay for something that no one watches for free? | ||
| Fucking genius idea. | ||
| I would have liked to have been in the meeting with those people and just sit down and go, hey guys, look, I know you and I don't see eye to eye on things, but unless you want to lose a lot of fucking money, this is a terrible idea. | ||
| If you want to make CNN plus free and then... | ||
| You should be a consultant. | ||
| ...build up advertising revenue ultimately and eventually, yeah. | ||
| But I think the people that are running CNN now are pretty wise. | ||
| That's why they got rid of Brian Stelter and everybody else is on the chopping block, because they recognize that this is bad for their bottom line. | ||
| You can't have people lose all faith and trust that you're objective. | ||
| And the editorializing that they were doing is so piss poor. | ||
| You have these dorks, these people without good social skills and they're not interesting and they're not likable. | ||
| And they're the ones that are telling you what you should think. | ||
| That's crazy. | ||
| People don't like that. | ||
| And so CNN recognizes that now. | ||
| And now they've started to, you know, get rid of those people. | ||
| And they want to put in old school objective journalists that are just talking about the facts. | ||
| That's what CNN should be. | ||
| Well, they need Trump back. | ||
| What else are they going to talk about? | ||
| Well, there's plenty of things to talk about. | ||
| The problem is that was their business model. | ||
| That was. | ||
| Look, these independent people, when you look at like Breaking Points with Krystal and Sagar and Jimmy Dore and all these other people that have these independent political shows that are objective, they give their opinions. | ||
| I mean, they certainly editorialize, but they're independent because we know they're independent. | ||
| We know at least if I agree or disagree or like or dislike, at least I know that that's coming from this person. | ||
| When you would hear these other people talk, you would say, like, you've been given a specific mandate, whether it's from the producers or the executives or whatever. | ||
| Your organization has a very specific slant, and you're ignoring reality in order to push this slant. | ||
| And then when people find out that they ignored reality, or they find out that this information is biased and that you've excluded stuff that's contrary to your opinion, then people lose trust in it, and then the ratings drop off radically. | ||
| They built this fucking entire business, unfortunately, during the 2016 election, talking about what an asshole Trump was. | ||
| And they made that asshole president. | ||
| I mean, it's a real argument that they made him president. | ||
| Talk about your whole time backfire. | ||
| Oh, it's a terrible backfire. | ||
| But that's what he's great at. | ||
| You know, he's great at using the media and manipulating him in that way and making them talk about him. | ||
| Yeah, fake news. | ||
| Have you seen Jamie Foxx's impression? | ||
| It's incredible. | ||
| Holy shit. | ||
| Go to Jamie Foxx. | ||
| I thought that fucking Shane Gillis had a good Trump impression. | ||
| Jamie Foxx is the most fucking talented guy that's ever lived. | ||
| I agree. | ||
| He's so goddamn talented. | ||
| NGT. Justin Timberlake's up there as well. | ||
| Yeah, but he can't do this. | ||
| He can't do stand-up. | ||
| Let me see this. | ||
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He's a great person. | |
| He couldn't vote for me at the time. | ||
| Now he can vote for me once he gets out. | ||
| I love Snoop Dill, Double Cheek. | ||
| Great person. | ||
| Trump, do you love death row records? | ||
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I love death row. | |
| I love death row. | ||
| Excuse me. | ||
| Fake news. | ||
| I love death row. | ||
| What's your favorite death row record, Mr. Trump? | ||
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All of them. | |
| Don't try to pin me down. | ||
| Excuse me. | ||
| Fake news. | ||
| Fake news. | ||
| They tried to give me the virus. | ||
| I beat the virus. | ||
| They tried to give me the virus. | ||
| Who was Dave? | ||
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I beat the virus. | |
| They were like, fuck yeah! | ||
| He beat it! | ||
| Goddamn, he's talented. | ||
| His fucking impressions are incredible. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| But I think that, you know, that's part of the problem is that, like, what he just said with all the dummies, like, yeah! | ||
| Finally, the dummies have a leader. | ||
| Like, he hit a very specific frequency. | ||
| I'm not saying that all the people that supported Trump are dummies, but I'm saying that all the dummies supported Trump. | ||
| That's not true either, because there's a lot of dummies on the left. | ||
| But these dummies on the right, the ones that just want a very fucking clean, specific three-word narrative, and they, you know, keep America great again, you know, like that, those people, boy, he found their fucking vibration, and he's clung to it. | ||
| But now that we all realize that that's possible, and they've woken up this group of people that were previously not politically active, it becomes an issue. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| I agree, but I don't believe that systems can change until you create alternate systems. | ||
| Systems don't just change from the inside. | ||
| Having a two-party system is one of the craziest fucking things ever. | ||
| How many people live in the States? | ||
| I think 30, right? | ||
| 330 million? | ||
| And you can really only back one of two parties. | ||
| No third party can. | ||
| Independent's ever going to win. | ||
| The only one that had a chance was Ron Paul. | ||
| If Ron Paul went independent, because Ross Perot did it. | ||
| I mean, Ron Paul was a Republican, but I think that if you had a guy like that, that was saying things that resonated with a large swath of people, and he decided to go independent. | ||
| But Ross Perot did that. | ||
| When I was a kid, Ross Perot was running for president, and he took- He took the election from- From Bush Senior. | ||
| And that's how Clinton won. | ||
| Because a lot of people that would have voted for Clinton, they were thinking that he made more sense. | ||
| Because he took out an entire block of time on network television. | ||
| That's how wealthy he was. | ||
| He's like, NBC? I'm going to buy you out for an hour. | ||
| And he just went on television and explained how the Federal Reserve work and the tax codes work. | ||
| He's like, here's how you're getting fucked. | ||
| And he did it on television. | ||
| And that was terrifying to people. | ||
| And they actually changed the standards for debates. | ||
| They raise the amount of votes that you had to get to participate in debates. | ||
| So you couldn't have a third party? | ||
| You couldn't have a guy come in and fuck up their rig game. | ||
| They have a rig game. | ||
| The rig game is these enormous special interest groups, they put money into both candidates. | ||
| Which is wild. | ||
| And they fund their campaigns and they figure out who's going to win. | ||
| And then when that person wins, then they get in there and then they make sure that they have undue influence on all sorts of things that affect regular people in a negative way. | ||
| I don't think they care who wins as long as... | ||
| Exactly. | ||
| As long as they... | ||
| Get what they want. | ||
| That's the hustle. | ||
| That's the old Bill Hicks joke. | ||
| And it's both sides. | ||
| Bill Hicks used to have the joke, well, I think the puppet on the left is more to my liking. | ||
| Well, I support the puppet on the right. | ||
| And they're like, hey, wait a minute. | ||
| There's one guy holding both puppets. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| Go to bed, America. | ||
| We've got you covered. | ||
| And that's the reality of our political process. | ||
| And the only way you're going to do that is to take money out of politics. | ||
| And good fucking luck with that. | ||
| That's one of those things. | ||
| It's like, once you've got herpes, you've got herpes. | ||
| You can take Valtrex, you can do whatever you gotta do, but you've got herpes, kid. | ||
| I hate to tell it to you, but this is what our country is. | ||
| I mean, our political process has VD, you know, and I don't know how to get it out. | ||
| I don't know how... | ||
| I mean... | ||
| Look, 300 years ago they started another country. | ||
| Because they're like, look, where we're at is fucked. | ||
| We're getting screwed over. | ||
| Let's start this experiment in self-government that became the United States. | ||
| And, you know, clearly by people that had an understanding of where human nature can go wrong. | ||
| And they put all these checks and balances in place and they separated powers and they did it in a way that they hoped would be, you know, preparing this country for the future in a way that it would be for the people by the people. | ||
| And, you know, it was a good idea. | ||
| It was a brilliant, amazing idea at the time. | ||
| Unprecedented. | ||
| Nothing like it. | ||
| And it spawned the greatest superpower the world's ever known, the most creative force the world has ever known. | ||
| I mean, the influence that United States culture has had on the rest of the world is really like nothing else. | ||
| I mean, it's fucking wild. | ||
| If you think about the music that's come out of here, the comedy, the films, the sports, the shit that's come out of the United States is bananas. | ||
| And it came out in many ways because of the freedom That people were given by the Constitution and the Bill of Rights. | ||
| Yeah, which doesn't exist in most countries anywhere close to it. | ||
| Well, that's unfortunately what a lot of people find out when they decide to go against the United States and then they wind up getting arrested like Brittney Griner did in Russia and you realize, oh, there's places that are fucking way worse. | ||
| You don't get a fair trial. | ||
| You get treated like a political pawn. | ||
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Yeah. | |
| And that's where we're at right now. | ||
| Look, there's a lot of problems in this country. | ||
| There's a lot of problems with any group of human beings, especially when those groups get enormous. | ||
| There's no way you're going to have a group of 333 million people where everybody agrees on everything and everybody gets along great. | ||
| It doesn't work that way. | ||
| That's not how human beings are. | ||
| The people find conflict. | ||
| There's people that create conflict. | ||
| It benefits them. | ||
| It's their business is conflict. | ||
| So you're always going to have conflict. | ||
| Unless everybody takes mushrooms. | ||
| That would help a lot. | ||
| That would help a lot. | ||
| Isn't it funny that that sounds like a crazy thing to say, but that literally would fix the world. | ||
| If more people had psychedelic trips and more people had an experience that dissolved their ego and more people had an understanding that Community isn't just simply a bunch of people that live together. | ||
| It's a bunch of people that care about each other and that we could treat the world like a community that could be done. | ||
| It could be done in small groups of people and it could be done in large groups of people. | ||
| And again, you're not going to resolve all conflict. | ||
| You're always going to have conflict. | ||
| No, no chance. | ||
| But at least we would have a shift in the way people view each other and think about things. | ||
| Yeah, I couldn't agree anymore. | ||
| How much psychedelic use is in the NFL? How many guys are using psychedelics? | ||
| I don't know. | ||
| I mean, I talked recently about my own ayahuasca journey. | ||
| Everybody has an ayahuasca journey, by the way. | ||
| It's always a journey. | ||
| I'm on an ayahuasca journey. | ||
| What do you call it? | ||
| Ceremony? | ||
| No, that's even worse. | ||
| Yeah, plant medicine is where it gets squirrely. | ||
| But you've done ayahuasca. | ||
| No, I've not. | ||
| I've only done DMT. I've done mushrooms. | ||
| I've done LSD. I've done MDMA. Is that it? | ||
| I think that's it. | ||
| No, I've done salvia. | ||
| And I think that's it. | ||
| By far the most powerful was DMT. By far. | ||
| It was bizarrely powerful. | ||
| I feel like there was me and then there was me after DMT, like a totally different person. | ||
| I feel the same way about me and then me after Ayahuasca. | ||
| But since I talked about it on Aubrey's podcast, it's been really interesting to see the people reaching out across the league. | ||
| And there's been a lot of people outside the league and, you know, entertainers, sports people, you know, just friends from the past, people that work at the facility, you know, just the nine-to-five people, all interested in football. | ||
| You know, plant medicine. | ||
| It's been really interesting. | ||
| I think there's a hunger for what I experience, which you talked about with mushrooms, is this death of the ego. | ||
| This realization that we're all connected. | ||
| This greater sense of what community is. | ||
| And I don't know if you've experienced in your DMT journeys and mushrooms, but when you dissolve the ego, The amount of love that you can give back to yourself and then other people, it takes away for me so much judgment of myself and others, so much separation between myself and others. | ||
| The greater sense of connection It was overwhelming when I kind of came out of that and got back to reality or whatever. | ||
| I was like, oh shit, now here's the integration. | ||
| Here's me in a different form. | ||
| Here's my reflection that I see of myself and you. | ||
| And we're all fucking connected in such a deeper way. | ||
| And it's just doing a plant that's been used for generations in the Amazon jungles. | ||
| And I got the same feeling on mushrooms as well. | ||
| I mean, it was just an incredible connection to nature and life and all sentient beings and all plants and fungi and just the like, you know, of my previous self, I feel like the anger and bitterness and resentment and negativity that I'd kind of like standard walk around with. | ||
| It wasn't like a super high level, but I felt like coming out of those experiences, it's like, that shit doesn't even matter. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| Like kindness matters. | ||
| Yeah, it matters a lot. | ||
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Connection matters. | |
| Matters a lot. | ||
| Like being present with people, having conversations, like putting your fucking technology away and like connecting with somebody and like seeing them. | ||
| Because I think on a deep level, we all just want to be seen and understood. | ||
| Yes. | ||
| You know? | ||
| And that's why social media is such a platform because everybody's fucking looking at me. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| This is my opinion. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| Right? | ||
| And it fucking matters. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| Right? | ||
| Yeah, I get it. | ||
| I see it. | ||
| For sure. | ||
| But let's just realize we're all the same. | ||
| The thing about the social media interactions though is that it happens in isolation like you're alone and you're putting something out there and then the other people alone and they're receiving it and that's why they can be so cruel and shitty is because they're not looking at you and seeing you like most of the things that people say on social media they would never say to someone's face even if they were bigger and stronger than that person they wouldn't say because it feels terrible to say shitty things to people It's an interesting thing that happens when you recognize that a | ||
| lot of the way we react with each other is based on insecurity. | ||
| We put up these armored walls between us and the rest of the world and you have this thought that, you know, fuck everybody and everybody's fucking me over and fuck them. | ||
| And then you do something like DMT or mushrooms or ayahuasca and you recognize... | ||
| Oh, that's nonsense. | ||
| Not only is that nonsense, that's bad for me. | ||
| That's bad for everyone. | ||
| It's bad for everyone I come in contact with. | ||
| It's unnecessary. | ||
| And then you realize the source of it all. | ||
| It's just fear. | ||
| It's just fear and insecurity. | ||
| And that was so profound to me, like this recognition of what the problems that the ego presents and that these problems This ego, first of all, was not designed to live in a society like this. | ||
| Our bodies were not designed to live in these neighborhoods of millions and millions of people. | ||
| This is not normal. | ||
| And we don't know how to deal with that. | ||
| And so we come up with more walls and more insecurity and more defensiveness. | ||
| And that this is bad for everyone. | ||
| And the solution to that is to expose people to these things and allow them to recognize the flaws and the patterns of behavior that they've been following their whole life. | ||
| But the more people that get exposed to that, the more that's going to be a normal narrative and that people are going to understand that you're just a person. | ||
| You're not a bad person. | ||
| You might have made bad choices, but you're just a person. | ||
| We're all human beings and people in jail for violent crimes. | ||
| They're just people. | ||
| They're people that got on terrible paths and they don't realize that we're all connected Yeah, I Wish that there was a way where more people could be exposed to it because I really think it would change perspective on a percent in It's changed radically in my lifetime. | ||
| It's changed radically. | ||
| You've been talking about this for a long time. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| It changed radically over the last couple of decades that I've been exposed to it. | ||
| I think the first time I did DMT was early 2000s. | ||
| And I remember, well, the first time I did mushrooms was early 2000s as well. | ||
| Mushrooms were amazing. | ||
| And it was beautiful. | ||
| But DMT, I always describe as mushrooms times a million plus aliens. | ||
| It was the encounter of entities that was so mind-blowing. | ||
| This thing that there might be some sort of... | ||
| Some sort of disembodied consciousness that exists in some realm that you can access within 15 seconds. | ||
| Just the thought that that's a real thing. | ||
| Ayahuasca as opposed to DMT. Ayahuasca is, for people who don't know what we're talking about, is a oral version of DMT. DMT is broken down in the gut by something called monoamine oxidase. | ||
| And what ayahuasca is, is... | ||
| One plant that contains dimethyltryptamine and another plant that contains an MAO inhibitor, harmine. | ||
| And you combine the two of those together and it produces this orally active version of DMT that's a much longer experience, but typically it's not as intense as the smoked DMT. When you smoke it, it's like right into your bloodstream. | ||
| And it's short though, right? | ||
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| Shorter. | ||
| But you just do it again afterwards. | ||
| I mean you come out of it in like 15 or 20 minutes and you want to go right back in. | ||
| It's so profound and it changes everything. | ||
| It changes everything. | ||
| It changes how you think of reality. | ||
| It changes the way you interface with other people. | ||
| It changes how you think about yourself. | ||
| All your stupid ideas of who you are and all your ego and nonsense, it all just gets blown to bits. | ||
| I feel like that's the purpose of it. | ||
| That matters less, right? | ||
| All those insecurities and fears. | ||
| It doesn't mean you give less fucks about life. | ||
| I think it actually just changes what you give a fuck about. | ||
| Connecting and loving people and spreading positivity and kindness. | ||
| There's churches that use ayahuasca. | ||
| I had Dr. Rick Strassman on the podcast recently. | ||
| And he talked about these churches that have an exemption by the Supreme Court in order to use it for religious purposes. | ||
| And there's one of them that is like, there's two different ones. | ||
| Do you remember the names of them, Jamie? | ||
| There's two different churches. | ||
| One of them seems a lot more fun. | ||
| They sing songs and they have these ecstatic dances and so they do their DMT. But they're both Christian-based churches. | ||
| Really? | ||
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| Yeah, and one of them is from Brazil, I believe. | ||
| They might be both from Brazil, which obviously has a long history of use of psychedelic medicines. | ||
| But that these people have these incredible communities that they've based around the entire I'm like, that's really what a church probably started out as. | ||
| If you read The Sacred Mushroom and the Cross, which is John Marco Allegro's book. | ||
| I was hoping you were going to bring that up. | ||
| I was just talking to a buddy actually last night about this book. | ||
| It's an amazing book that I believe, I'm not sure if this is true, but let's find out. | ||
| I believe it was bought out by the Catholic Church. | ||
| I have two copies of the original printing of The Sacred Mushroom and the Cross, and it's a fucking phenomenal book. | ||
| Because it's written by this guy, John Marco Allegro, who's a biblical scholar and a linguist, and he was also an ordained minister. | ||
| But through studying religion, he became agnostic. | ||
| And he was like, I think these are all... | ||
| They share these stories. | ||
| What's the root of these stories? | ||
| So he was hired to decipher the Dead Sea Scrolls. | ||
| And for 14 years, they painstakingly deciphered this, which I believe was the first version of the Bible that they encountered that was in Aramaic. | ||
| And they found these scrolls in Qumran, which is in Israel, where they found these caves. | ||
| And inside these caves, they found these ceramic pots that had these scrolls in them. | ||
| And it was so painstaking that they had to do DNA samples on the scrolls because these scrolls are made in animal skins. | ||
| That's how old they are. | ||
| And they took these scrolls and they had to match up the DNA with a specific cow that was on each. | ||
| So they knew that these strands were from this one cow. | ||
| So let's put all these together and figure out how they piece together. | ||
| So they do all this and then they analyze the language and then they decipher it. | ||
| His interpretation after 14 years of study was that the entire Christian religion was a giant misunderstanding and the original version of it was all about fertility cults and psychedelic mushrooms and Particularly in his eye it was a lot of it was about the Amanita muscaria which is a very misunderstood and very confusing mushroom because I've done that before, too. | ||
| It didn't really do much. | ||
| But they think that it might have been seasonal. | ||
| They think it might have varied genetically and geographically and that it had different compounds in it in different places. | ||
| But this is the mushroom that's connected to Santa Claus. | ||
| This is the mushroom that looks like Santa Claus. | ||
| It's a red mushroom with white dots on it. | ||
| Which is a great myth. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| It's wild, because the original Santa Claus, the myth was that Santa Claus was a shaman, and he would come down through the chimney. | ||
| The reindeer piss. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| All of it is connected, because the reindeer eat Amanita muscaria mushrooms, and then they would... | ||
| They would actually knock people over trying to get to their piss because they would smell the Amanita Muscaria in their piss. | ||
| And these people that did this ritual, they would eat the Amanita Muscaria and then they would drink their own piss because the psychedelic compounds were in the piss, which is... | ||
| How'd they figure that out? | ||
| I don't know. | ||
| But this book was... | ||
| Is that true? | ||
| I think the Catholic Church bought it out and then it was republished, I believe, about a decade ago. | ||
| It was definitely republished. | ||
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| They banned it, and it was banned by the publisher, and that guy was fired from his job, but I can't see anything about them buying it. | ||
| He also wrote a second book that was widely available because of that, and that is called Psychedelic Mushrooms and the Christian Myth. | ||
| I think it was something about the Christian myth. | ||
| What is the other John Marco Allegro book? | ||
| He had two books. | ||
| Something in the Christian myth. | ||
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| Dead Sea Scrolls in the Christian myth, yeah. | ||
| And that was his interpretation. | ||
| Now, this is a convoluted, complicated argument because you really have to understand ancient languages. | ||
| You have to be able to decipher them and read them and know the etymology of the words. | ||
| But he traced back the word Christ to an ancient Sumerian word that was a mushroom covered in God's semen. | ||
| And so the idea was that when it rained, things would grow out of the ground. | ||
| You have to realize that we're talking about people that lived thousands and thousands of years ago. | ||
| These people, fertility was very important. | ||
| Having children was very important. | ||
| There was never this concept of like there's too many people. | ||
| Everyone's dying. | ||
| It was very easy to lose a child. | ||
| Child mortality was very high. | ||
| Infant mortality was very high. | ||
| It was hard to stay alive. | ||
| There was very little medicine. | ||
| No one understood anything. | ||
| So these people had this idea that when it rained, it was God giving life to the world and that rain was God's semen. | ||
| And if you've ever been in a place that has mushrooms, when it rains, You wake up in the morning and there's mushrooms everywhere. | ||
| Mushrooms that weren't there before, they grow so quickly. | ||
| A mushroom as big as this coffee cup could appear overnight, which is really crazy. | ||
| So these people, it would rain and then in the morning they would find these mushrooms and they would eat them and they would fucking trip balls. | ||
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| Could you imagine being one of the first people that discovered psychedelic mushrooms? | ||
| And you're eating them. | ||
| And then they wanted to hide these stories from the conquering Romans and from all these other empires that were invading them. | ||
| And so they hid them in allegories and in myths. | ||
| And this was his take on the Bible, is that all these stories were translated over and over again from Aramaic and Ancient Hebrew to Latin and Greek and English. | ||
| And then so much was lost in the translation. | ||
| That doesn't really fly very well in the Christian church of today, I don't think. | ||
| Well, it does if you go to that one that's from Brazil that takes psychedelics. | ||
| They're probably like, yeah, yeah, that's exactly what it is. | ||
| I was talking to a teammate of mine last night about that, and he's never heard of it, and he's like, I don't know. | ||
| Hardcore Christian? | ||
| Sounds kind of crazy to me. | ||
| I'm like, yeah, yeah, it does. | ||
| Well, at the very least, you have to understand that if the Bible is the Word of God, it has been interpreted by people. | ||
| Right. | ||
| And people are biased, and people, they have reasons to withhold information or to interpret information. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| Control. | ||
| Sure. | ||
| I mean, Martin Luther was almost killed because he translated the Bible into a phonetic language that people could read and understand, and he wanted people to interpret the Bible themselves. | ||
| They wanted to kill him. | ||
| It was only because of his political connections that he stayed alive. | ||
| Knowledge is power. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| Well, especially back then. | ||
| I mean, Jesus Christ. | ||
| I mean, if you were a priest back then, you were a rock star. | ||
| I mean, that was originally- And most people couldn't read. | ||
| Yes. | ||
| Exactly. | ||
| Exactly. | ||
| And so they had to rely on these other people to tell them what the God wanted. | ||
| God forbid you make it easier for people to understand. | ||
| God forbid. | ||
| Perfect choice of words. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| When did you first have, what was your first psychedelic experience? | ||
| I had mushrooms years ago out in nature on the beach and had this magical experience where I felt like I merged with the ocean. | ||
| And I'd never done psychedelics before that. | ||
| Always been interested. | ||
| Actually, Watching your podcast years ago and hearing you talk about it got me, like, aware of that. | ||
| I mean, growing up in a very strict religious culture, anything outside of, like, the straight and narrow was a major sin and a no-no, you know? | ||
| But for me, being a little rebellious, like, I was like, that sounds kind of fun, though, you know? | ||
| Like... | ||
| Some of these things people are doing, hippies seem like they had a pretty good time doing a bunch of LSD and stuff. | ||
| That sounds pretty cool, right? | ||
| And you know how many people died from mushrooms? | ||
| Thousands? | ||
| Zero. | ||
| Yeah, I know. | ||
| I mean, someone probably did mushrooms and thought they could fly. | ||
| That was another Bill Hicks bit. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| It was like tragedy. | ||
| Young man on acid. | ||
| Thought he could fly. | ||
| Jumped off a roof. | ||
| What a tragedy. | ||
| How many people have OD'd on marijuana? | ||
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| Oh. | ||
| Really? | ||
| Crazy. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| Wow. | ||
| Isn't that crazy? | ||
| But again, I'm sure people have lost their minds. | ||
| I actually had Alex Berenson on the podcast yesterday who wrote a book called Tell Your Children. | ||
| He was on to talk about COVID, and he actually got reinstated by Twitter because he won in court. | ||
| Yes! | ||
| Everything he said turned out to be true. | ||
| All the things that he was saying, the things they banned him for. | ||
| Are those other guys back on? | ||
| Well, what other people got banned? | ||
| Wasn't Peter McCullough, wasn't he banned? | ||
| I do not know if he was banned. | ||
| Was he banned? | ||
| I do not know. | ||
| I believe Robert Malone is still on. | ||
| Maybe he's banned. | ||
| They might have banned them. | ||
| They might have banned them all. | ||
| Look, they were banning people for contributing to vaccine hesitancy. | ||
| I mean, they were taking this hard-line stance because they thought they were right. | ||
| They didn't know, man. | ||
| And this is a big part of it. | ||
| It's not like this is a vast conspiracy by these people. | ||
| A lot of these people were ideologically captured. | ||
| They really thought that they were doing the right thing, that this was the good thing to do. | ||
| They just were incorrect. | ||
| And they had these assertions. | ||
| They had these facts. | ||
| They had this data that they were getting from the government. | ||
| They had this data they were getting from Fauci and the NIH. And the CDC, and they thought they were doing the right thing. | ||
| And that's why they did these things. | ||
| But I think I'd stole a line from either yourself or somebody that I said at one point, but science that can't be questioned isn't science anymore. | ||
| It's propaganda. | ||
| Right. | ||
| And that was my problem with the whole thing is... | ||
| Science is propagated by peer review. | ||
| Yes. | ||
| And you have an idea and then give it to your colleagues or a study group or an institution and then having them review it. | ||
| Yes. | ||
| And figure out, did your shit make any sense or there's some holes in it? | ||
| But there wasn't any questioning of the information that was put out. | ||
| It wasn't allowed. | ||
| There was questioning, but it wasn't allowed. | ||
| You're automatically put into anti-vaxxer, flat-earth, crazy, right-wing conspiracy theorist. | ||
| That's what I said when I made that video to Neil Young, when Neil Young was getting all his music removed from Spotify because I was promoting misinformation. | ||
| I said, what you say is misinformation today Not going to be misinformation in the future you have to understand that and I was saying how they were saying there was misinformation well The things that you were getting kicked off of social media platforms Initially you were saying that masks don't work or saying that The vaccine might... | ||
| Won't stop transmission. | ||
| Won't stop transmission. | ||
| Or by saying that the virus came from a lab. | ||
| All those things would get you kicked off of social media initially. | ||
| Those have all been proven to be true. | ||
| Not only... | ||
| Well, not the virus coming from a lab. | ||
| That's just most people believe it to be true. | ||
| Assumed, yeah. | ||
| It's like a large swath of the scientific community is behind that now, and including Newsweek. | ||
| It was on the cover of Newsweek, this lab leak theory, which is not... | ||
| I mean, it's the most plausible scenario. | ||
| There's not an animal host. | ||
| They haven't shown that there's an animal host that could give it to people. | ||
| That's not propaganda. | ||
| That's not fake. | ||
| That's not pseudoscience. | ||
| This is just what they know. | ||
| All those things, we get you kicked off social media, now they're widely understand to be true. | ||
| So this is one of the things that I said when I made that video, that these people that you're talking about, one of them, Dr. Robert Malone, he holds nine patents for the creation of mRNA vaccine technology. | ||
| He was a part of the creation of mRNA vaccines. | ||
| He took the mRNA vaccine and had a horrible reaction and almost died. | ||
| And then you have Peter McCullough. | ||
| Peter McCullough is the most published physician in history in his field. | ||
| This is a guy with rock-solid credentials who initially was telling people to take the vaccine. | ||
| And then he was experiencing all of these patients that were coming in with these diseases and these illnesses that they'd acquired, he believed, from the vaccine. | ||
| And there was no ability to discuss this and no ability to ascertain if that was the fact. | ||
| You had to follow a very specific narrative. | ||
| But that's not science. | ||
| No. | ||
| No. | ||
| That's propaganda. | ||
| One of the things that we learned from John Abramson when he came in here and he was talking to us about... | ||
| He was a doctor who had worked to litigate against pharmaceutical companies when they had produced He was part of the Vioxx thing and some other medications. | ||
| He said that when a pharmaceutical company creates a product and they do studies, when someone peer reviews the data, they don't peer review the raw data. | ||
| They peer review the studies that the pharmaceutical companies has given them, which is fucking crazy. | ||
| That is so crazy. | ||
| That's like, say, if you're guilty of something, and you say, well, let me give you the evidence that I have. | ||
| You know, my evidence, that I've reviewed myself, and this is why I feel like I'm innocent, and I'm gonna show you my evidence. | ||
| And the cops will be like, fuck you! | ||
| Let me see your phone! | ||
| Did you text the drug dealer? | ||
| Let me see, did you plot a murder? | ||
| Let me see your fucking email! | ||
| Is it as crazy as, like, the FDA getting 51% of their budget from the pharmaceutical company fees? | ||
| That's pretty crazy. | ||
| You can fact check me on that, but I believe that's... | ||
| Is that true? | ||
| I wouldn't be shocked. | ||
| They're basically paying to get their product approved. | ||
| Well, and how about the CDC stopping the distribution of COVID vaccine booster data from people 18 to 49, because they said it would contribute to vaccine hesitancy. | ||
| How about Pfizer asking to wait 75 years to release their data, and then 55 years? | ||
| That's wild. | ||
| Like, let's wait until after we're dead, just for the compliance. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| And my thing is, like... | ||
| At a bare minimum, right? | ||
| At a bare minimum, it should just make you pause and go, even if you say, I'm not a conspiracy theorist, I'm not any of these things, a rational, to me, and this is an opinion, a rational thinking human would just be like, hmm, hold on a second. | ||
| This is kind of fucking weird. | ||
| When it comes to pharmaceutical companies, it's like that old story of the scorpion and the frog. | ||
| You know, the scorpion hitches a ride with the frog, and the frog's like, hey, man, don't sting me, because if you sting me, we're going to drown. | ||
| And the scorpion stings him, and the frog's like, what the fuck? | ||
| And the scorpion says, hey, it's my nature. | ||
| That's their fucking nature. | ||
| I mean, this is what they've always done. | ||
| If you expect them to make some moral, right-angle turn... | ||
| Towards being just completely selfless and not concerned at all about profits and only looking for the greater good of humanity. | ||
| Well, you're looking at the wrong people. | ||
| That's not what they do. | ||
| What they do is they have a responsibility to their shareholders, they have a responsibility to the corporate management, and that responsibility is to make the most amount of money possible, and they're going to do that. | ||
| And they're going to do it by hook or by crook. | ||
| They're going to weasel. | ||
| They're going to hide data. | ||
| They're going to manipulate data. | ||
| And they've been accused of that, rightly so, all through this whole thing. | ||
| But they have billions of spending. | ||
| They spend billions on... | ||
| Brought to you by Pfizer. | ||
| Anderson Cooper. | ||
| Brought to you by Pfizer. | ||
| It's so obvious and so wild. | ||
| And if you discuss it amongst many people that have like a shallow understanding of this topic, they will immediately roll their eyes and say, oh, look at Aaron. | ||
| This crazy fucking hippie asshole football player thinks he's going to educate me. | ||
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| Keith Oberman says you're an asshole. | ||
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| It's fucking amazing. | ||
| It's amazing. | ||
| You know, I've had some people that also were very pro-vaccine, very anti, all these different things, and then got really badly sick and were very conflicted and didn't know what to do. | ||
| I know people that got really badly sick from COVID post-vaccinated, and I know some people that got really badly sick from the vaccine itself, and they were very conflicted. | ||
| And some of them just kept their mouth shut and stopped talking. | ||
| And some of them even publicly said, I would still take it again. | ||
| I think overall, the good is good. | ||
| I mean, my heart's fucked now, but, you know, it's better for everybody. | ||
| And that's one of those things if you say publicly, you're going to get a certain amount of love. | ||
| It's like a virtue signal that I was willing to sacrifice. | ||
| There's so much of that. | ||
| I mean, put one mask on, two masks on. | ||
| Sure. | ||
| You know, I'm doing my part. | ||
| Yeah, look, it's still kind of a free country, so you can do whatever the hell you want. | ||
| Kind of. | ||
| A lot freer here. | ||
| A lot freer in Texas. | ||
| The difference between Texas and California was so stark that when I came out here with my kids in May of 2020, they're like, let's move here! | ||
| Immediately. | ||
| Just seeing people going out to restaurants and seeing people on the lake. | ||
| In California, the beaches were fucking illegal to go to. | ||
| And here we're on a lake and people are drinking and fucking playing Garth Brooks music and jumping in the water. | ||
| And my kids were so confused. | ||
| They're like, what is happening here? | ||
| Like, why is this so different? | ||
| And this is Austin, which is very progressive and very liberal. | ||
| You go to the rest of Texas, they pretend that COVID fucking didn't exist at all. | ||
| The South in general, I think. | ||
| Yeah, I mean, that's not good either, because it is a real fucking disease, and if you're not healthy and you're not covered, you could get fucked up by it. | ||
| I agree 100%. | ||
| But what I was saying, or trying to say, was why is nothing else being talked about as far as ways of combating this disease, like eating better, like exercising, like vitamin D deficiency? | ||
| Well, even monoclonal antibodies. | ||
| They suppress monoclonal antibodies, which is wild. | ||
| They held on to, what, 500 million of them or something crazy? | ||
| Something crazy like that. | ||
| All of it was bad. | ||
| All of it was bad. | ||
| And all of it is a lesson for people in the future that if something else happens again, to be more skeptical and to understand the influences that are behind these decisions that politicians and even, quote-unquote, health experts make. | ||
| They're being influenced by things other than just data. | ||
| And that's very important for people to understand, that there's an enormous amount of money that's being spread around here, and people have gotten obscenely wealthy because of this pandemic. | ||
| And they've done so because they promoted a very specific narrative that they knew was going to be profitable for them, even if it was detrimental for people, even if it removed people's ability to choose. | ||
| What to do and not to do. | ||
| Even if there was people that would not be adversely affected by that virus statistically because of their health, their age, they didn't give a fuck. | ||
| You want to play football? | ||
| Take this fucking thing. | ||
| And I want you to do it publicly so that I can get more money out of those other people that are thinking about it and they're on the fence. | ||
| Yeah, and then we're going to virtue signal to say, look how righteous our league is. | ||
| We have 95% compliance with the vaccine. | ||
| Compliance! | ||
| And if you don't, we're going to send a stooge to your team to show you graphs of your vaccination percentage of your team compared to the rest of the league, which actually happened. | ||
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| What was the stooge like? | ||
| Oh, I mopped the floor with him. | ||
| Did you? | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| See, again, that's why people are like, no one knew your vaccination status, you lied to your teammates. | ||
| No, no, no. | ||
| Day three of training camp, they sent this stooge in, and he showed these slides about what your vaccination percentage was on your team, where you compare to the rest of the league. | ||
| And I started asking him questions about liability. | ||
| Oh, I'm not a lawyer. | ||
| Okay, cool. | ||
| But you're in here talking about all these different things, and you don't talk about anybody's personal health issues. | ||
| There's zero exemptions. | ||
| You took out religious exemptions. | ||
| You took out PEG exemptions. | ||
| You took out anybody's ability to have... | ||
| An opinion. | ||
| I don't want to do this. | ||
| Well, it's not only going to affect your day-to-day status on the team, but your ability to get a job, your ability to keep a job, your ability to get a tryout if you get cut from this team. | ||
| Because you want to put a percentage above 90% of your team where you guys can have some sort of special virtue. | ||
| Look how amazing we are. | ||
| We're above the 90% threshold here. | ||
| And then they scared teams and said, if you had an outbreak caused by a non-vaccinated player, you'd not only forfeit that game if you had enough players out, but you wouldn't get paid for that week. | ||
| And here I am showing up to training camp, Joe, the first day, and we got five people who work for the organization out with COVID all fully vaxxed. | ||
| And I got COVID from a fully vaxxed individual who only got vaxxed to keep his potential of being a part of the NFL. How many people do you know that had vaccine injuries? | ||
| A few. | ||
| How bad? | ||
| Heart issues. | ||
| And then like bizarre episodes that took him to the hospital. | ||
| As little as like weird eye issues, skin rashes. | ||
| No COVID toe, but a bunch of other stuff. | ||
| What was COVID toe? | ||
| Didn't they try to accuse you of having COVID? You hurt your foot? | ||
| I joked on my weekly show on the Pat McAfee show that I'd gotten, well not joked, but I'd gotten hurt. | ||
| I hurt myself when I had COVID working out around my house because I had to be literally locked away for 10 days. | ||
| And they joked about how it was a COVID toe injury. | ||
| And in the Wall Street Journal in there, Journalistic Integrity wrote this article about how I had lesions on my feet. | ||
| And that's what my injury was. | ||
| And it was caused by COVID. And then I showed my toe in an interview when I came back to work. | ||
| And it started this whole thing. | ||
| What was the extent of the injury? | ||
| I broke my toe. | ||
| Yeah, that was the extent. | ||
| Just a normal injury? | ||
| Yeah, it was a fracture. | ||
| And the Washington Post, did they contact you at all? | ||
| Wall Street Journal. | ||
| Oh, excuse me, Wall Street Journal. | ||
| Did they contact you? | ||
| No, I mean, no, of course not. | ||
| But I asked for the guy's information, and I had a phone conversation with him. | ||
| Really? | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| How'd that go? | ||
| It was very cordial. | ||
| Did you ask him why did you publish this? | ||
| 100%. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| I mean, I had my own assumptions that he was obviously trying to slam me because that was the flavor of the week and I was an easy target. | ||
| But I said, "Have you ever watched me on the Pat McAfee show?" I said, "Do you understand my relationship with Pat and AJ, who's my best friend on the show and the jokes that we have and the lightheartedness?" I said, did you watch the episode at all? | ||
| Because if you did, you would know that they were making a joke about how I hurt my toe when I had COVID. I said, and also, sidebar... | ||
| Every, probably an assumption, but I'm assuming this is probably true, just about every beat writer that works for the, that covers the Packers, right? | ||
| And national media that watch that show each week because they write stories about it. | ||
| Not one writer wrote anything about COVID toe. | ||
| No one fucking, you know, was like, oh, let me look into what Covito is and maybe I can, you know, scoop this first and write an article about it. | ||
| I said, no one wrote about it. | ||
| I said, do you think you were like writing some, you know, groundbreaking, you know, breaking news story by saying Covito? | ||
| No, you're trying to slam me. | ||
| I said, I just want you to admit that. | ||
| You didn't watch the show. | ||
| I said, and you were doing it? | ||
| No, no, no, no. | ||
| I watched the whole episode. | ||
| I said, have you seen any other episodes? | ||
| I said, do you understand the rapport I have with these guys? | ||
| Do you understand what, you know, humor is? | ||
| Sarcasm? | ||
| So, I think overall, I was a core joke. | ||
| I mean, I was, you know, he took my call, but... | ||
| Probably thought he was going to get another story out of it. | ||
| What was his reason for publishing this false information? | ||
| He thought he was doing a justice to all the thousands of people affected by Covito. | ||
| No one had ever heard of Covito until that article came out. | ||
| I can promise you that. | ||
| Yeah, what is COVID? Is that a real thing? | ||
| Supposedly. | ||
| It's involved some sort of lesions on your feet. | ||
| But you never said you had lesions on your feet. | ||
| So why did he publish that? | ||
| Because it was the flavor of the week. | ||
| But did you ask him? | ||
| Why did you publish that? | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| And what did he say? | ||
| He thought he was reporting on a legitimate medical affliction. | ||
| Sure he did. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| Did he publish any stories about people with vaccine injuries? | ||
| No. | ||
| Those are legitimate medical afflictions. | ||
| You should probably look into that. | ||
| There's not enough information on VAERS, I don't think. | ||
| Well, it's not just that, right? | ||
| It's like there's no liability. | ||
| That's the real problem. | ||
| Like, it doesn't matter. | ||
| That goes back to the 80s. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| Well, with this stuff, it was specific. | ||
| With this particular medication, this particular vaccine, it was very specific that they were going to exempt them from any liability because of this emergency use authorization. | ||
| Which is only granted, I mean, you know these things. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| If there's no other therapeutic option. | ||
| Exactly. | ||
| Exactly. | ||
| Which is why they were so vehement in their opposition to anything else. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| It's wild. | ||
| I mean, I feel like that's not, you know, like you saying that, me saying that last year. | ||
| Like, that's conspiracy, right? | ||
| Oh, yeah. | ||
| Yeah, there's a lot of things there. | ||
| I mean, I think there's a greater, at least, percentage of the population that can go, okay, that's reality now. | ||
| Yeah, most people. | ||
| Most people are saying that's reality now. | ||
| And there's a lot of people that feel duped. | ||
| And they might be quiet about it, but they feel duped. | ||
| Is it true that the... | ||
| Because remember they championed that they had got a vaccine that was FDA approved, right? | ||
| But that that actual vaccine didn't come out? | ||
| Is that true? | ||
| Well, when Jen Psaki said these vaccines are approved by the FDA, which is the gold standard, that was a lie. | ||
| They weren't approved. | ||
| This was not true. | ||
| They had an emergency use authorization. | ||
| They weren't approved. | ||
| But she was a propagandist. | ||
| I mean, when she's working for the White House, she's this person that, you know, answers questions. | ||
| And most of it, the hard questions were all by Peter Doocy on Fox News. | ||
| He was like the only guy that was like, like pushing back against her. | ||
| And she just fucking flat out lied on not just one occasion, multiple occasions. | ||
| I mean, maybe they had a narrative that they told her. | ||
| Maybe these are talking parts. | ||
| Maybe that's her job. | ||
| But it's a weird job in the beginning, right? | ||
| To begin with, because it's a job where, You're not even asking the president. | ||
| You're asking this White House press secretary. | ||
| So there's a person, you know, and the only one that was good at, that girl, McEnany, what's her name? | ||
| Kayleigh McEnany, the one who worked for Trump, that lady was a fucking assassin. | ||
| That lady had like binders with like footnotes and anyone would say something. | ||
| That's interesting because actually CNN said this and she would like quote it back to them and stuff it in their face. | ||
| That lady's the best ever at that job. | ||
| She's the fucking Michael Jordan of White House press secretaries. | ||
| She's a fucking wizard. | ||
| She was great at it. | ||
| Unfortunately, she was working for Trump, so she didn't get any of the credit she deserved for being so good at that. | ||
| Now they just read it out of the binder. | ||
| They don't even have no words. | ||
| Now they just fucking lie. | ||
| Did you see the one lady that was on with Don Lemon? | ||
| Don Lemon, who's chief propagandist for the fucking CNN. | ||
| She's on with him, and he's saying, do you think that Joe Biden was too old to run in 2024? | ||
| Why are we even asking this? | ||
| I can't even keep up with him. | ||
| That's what she said. | ||
| I can't keep up with him. | ||
| Which I said, you should go to a doctor because you've been fucking poisoned. | ||
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If you can't keep up with that guy, that's a real problem. | |
| He's dying in front of our eyes. | ||
| I mean, if he dropped dead tonight, no one would be shocked. | ||
| I mean, they can't put him back up, can they? | ||
| Yes. | ||
| Yeah, they can. | ||
| It depends on what kind of medications they get him between now and then. | ||
| Whatever the fuck they gave him during that second debate, that's a good mixture. | ||
| I don't know if he can maintain that mixture, because I have a feeling that every cell in his body is like, like re-entering orbit in the space shuttle, like, fucking keep it together. | ||
| So let's live in that world for just a second. | ||
| What would... | ||
| Let's think about it, because I've thought about this before, because I've thought about, like, man, he was pretty, like, you know... | ||
| On the ball? | ||
| What could they possibly have given him? | ||
| Adderall for sure. | ||
| Yeah? | ||
| If I was going to do it. | ||
| What I would give him was Adderall. | ||
| I would give him testosterone. | ||
| I would have him on testosterone, period, anyway, because he's that old. | ||
| I mean, I would have him on peptides, human growth hormones from Orleans, whose body produces more growth hormone. | ||
| I would have him on all sorts of nootropics. | ||
| I would have him on AlphaBrain. | ||
| I would have him on every fucking thing that's available, NeuroGum. | ||
| I would give everything that you can to enhance this memory, acetylcholine, all these different things that we know through peer-reviewed data that actually do help your memory. | ||
| And then I would give him some sort of stimulant. | ||
| I would give him something that's maintainable, something where he's not like out of his skin going crazy and you'd probably practice. | ||
| Practice with low doses and I know they had practice debates and so he had his talking points dialed in and I would even give him an earpiece. | ||
| I'd give him something where we could give him data and tell him this and tell him that and don't say this and here's how I respond to that. | ||
| But I don't even know if that would be good, because sometimes when people have things in their ear, it confuses them. | ||
| It's hard to get used to, like having people talk. | ||
| Have you ever had someone talk in your ear while you're talking? | ||
| Yeah, it's difficult. | ||
| It's very hard. | ||
| I've had bad producers on shows, and in the middle of a conversation, they're talking in your ear. | ||
| Thirty seconds to go out here? | ||
| Yeah, that's not that bad because that's easy to ignore. | ||
| Get them to talk about this. | ||
| Yes, that's where it's hard. | ||
| They start giving you... | ||
| I had one time I was interviewing someone for the UFC. I took it out of my ear. | ||
| I'm like, shut the fuck up. | ||
| You're talking while I'm talking, you idiot. | ||
| Don't do that. | ||
| You're ruining everything. | ||
| But they don't understand that role. | ||
| They just want you to be a little robot for them and just do what you need to do. | ||
| But when you're talking to someone, you're taking into account what they're saying. | ||
| You're formulating your next question. | ||
| You're listening. | ||
| You're trying to interact with this person. | ||
| You can't talk and listen to what the response is and also listen to what you're trying to tell me. | ||
| Well, you need to get better at your job. | ||
| No, you need to shut the fuck up. | ||
| That's what you need to do. | ||
| Let me do it. | ||
| I know what I'm doing. | ||
| UFC. How about that Usman Edwards fight? | ||
| Crazy. | ||
| That was the greatest come-from-behind head kick knockout ever. | ||
| It was over. | ||
| Usman was dominating the last... | ||
| I watched it again today. | ||
| I watched it in the gym today, working out. | ||
| It's like, fuck, it's crazy. | ||
| And we always knew Leon Edwards was really technical and really good. | ||
| But I just assumed that the battle was lost. | ||
| First round he looked great. | ||
| He took him down for the first time. | ||
| Well, Colby Covington should have gotten credit for a takedown in the second fight. | ||
| He did take Usman down. | ||
| Usman's knees went to the ground and Daniel Cormier was angry that it wasn't registered as a takedown. | ||
| He goes, that's two! | ||
| And you're talking to Daniel Cormier who's an Olympic wrestler. | ||
| That's the expert. | ||
| That's who you should be going to when you decide whether or not something's a takedown. | ||
| So I think they erroneously credited that with the first time that Kamaru Usman's ever been taken down in the UFC. It was the second time, but it was the most significant. | ||
| Because not only did he take him down, he took him down, he mounted him, and then he took his back. | ||
| And he was threatening with a rear naked choke. | ||
| It's big. | ||
| But then Kamaru, who's the champion he is, took over, and he won most of the remaining rounds, and it looked like it was three rounds to one. | ||
| It almost looked like Edwards had kind of resigned to the fact that he was going to lose on a decision. | ||
| Yeah, that's what a lot of people were saying. | ||
| I mean, Dean Thomas, actually, who's the guy we go into in between rounds, who's an expert coach, he said he's broken. | ||
| You could see how he wasn't looking his coaches in the eye, and he looked dejected. | ||
| He goes, he does what it looks like when you're mentally broken. | ||
| And then he went out there and landed the greatest head kick in the history of the sport. | ||
| It was so perfect, too. | ||
| It's so textbook. | ||
| But that's the thing about Leon. | ||
| He's so technical. | ||
| The way he does things is so smooth and so efficient. | ||
| And so it wasn't shocking that he could do that. | ||
| It was just shocking in the context of his performance up until that moment. | ||
| But the way he fainted with the right hand, extended the left, forced Usman's head to move off the center line and threw the kick at the same time. | ||
| It was fucking magic. | ||
| You can't teach someone the reason why that techniques work so well. | ||
| You couldn't teach them any better than that visual. | ||
| Because Usman's moving away from the punch and wham, the head kick comes. | ||
| What is this? | ||
| They were drilling this right before the fight. | ||
| Really? | ||
| Oh my goodness. | ||
| They noticed something on video I guess. | ||
| Oh my goodness. | ||
| Jab away hook kick. | ||
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| So they noticed that as he was moving he would move off to the right hand side. | ||
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Wow. | |
| That's incredible. | ||
| He'll circle and then go with the high kick. | ||
| Wow. | ||
| That's incredible. | ||
| I mean, it's perfect. | ||
| Greatest head kick knockout ever. | ||
| And I don't think there's a close second in terms of, you could say Holly Holm versus Ronda Rousey, but Holly Holm was winning that fight. | ||
| It's a totally different experience. | ||
| Holly Holm was avoiding Ronda. | ||
| She avoided the clinch. | ||
| She avoided the takedowns. | ||
| She was dominating her on the feet. | ||
| Ronda was already beaten up by the time that Holly landed a head kick. | ||
| Ronda was getting fucked up. | ||
| That was a rough night for Ronda Rousey fans. | ||
| Very rough night. | ||
| But a great night for Holly Holm fans. | ||
| Yeah, it was. | ||
| This is different. | ||
| This was a fight where it was a come from behind. | ||
| He was down three rounds to one. | ||
| He won the first round, he lost the next three. | ||
| And to land that head kick in a fight like that was fucking wild. | ||
| Especially when you consider Leon hadn't fought in so long. | ||
| There had been so many problems. | ||
| He was scheduled to fight Tyron Woodley in England. | ||
| That fight got canceled because of the pandemic, and there was all these setbacks, but we had always known that he was one of the very best in the division, and he was this dark horse, this guy that people maybe in the general public weren't really aware of. | ||
| Everybody's aware of the big stars, and he was this super talented guy that had only lost one time in the UFC, and that was to Usman early in his career. | ||
| And that was when he didn't know how to wrestle. | ||
| So one of the big victors was him taking Usman down the first round and showing him, hey, motherfucker. | ||
| I'm a real martial artist. | ||
| I'm not just a striker anymore. | ||
| I'm a fully well-rounded martial artist. | ||
| Pretty impressive. | ||
| I love you and Daniel's reactions to some of the best. | ||
| It was crazy. | ||
| It's so crazy. | ||
| I mean, how do you not react that way when that happened? | ||
| I mean, everyone behind us had the same reaction. | ||
| There's a video of Tony Hinchcliffe, who was right behind me, and when the head kick lands, he stands up and puts his arms in the air and he goes, Oh my god! | ||
| That's what everybody's reaction was. | ||
| Like, oh my god. | ||
| Because when you think, that's one of the beautiful things about MMA that is different than any other sport, or boxing too, is that you could come from behind with one move, one thing, and it changes everything and shuts it all off. | ||
| It's so final. | ||
| But you just haven't seen that in boxing or UFC, I would say, in a while, right? | ||
| Very rarely. | ||
| Where somebody's been getting beat up. | ||
| That's what I love about the Tyson Fury-Deontay Wilder fights, is because you just knew at any point, it didn't matter who was ahead, one punch from either of these guys, and it'd be fucking over. | ||
| But in the UFC, you just don't see that a whole lot, where a guy's getting his ass whooped, and then comes back and... | ||
| Well, it's a credit to Leon that he was able to do that, but also a credit to Leon that he really didn't absorb a lot of punishment in that fight. | ||
| He wasn't busted up. | ||
| He didn't have his eyes swollen. | ||
| He hadn't been concussed and rocked. | ||
| He was losing, but he wasn't getting beat up. | ||
| He wasn't getting tortured. | ||
| He was still very fresh in the fifth round, which is also a credit to his conditioning, that he was able to fight that kind of a grueling fight and still be fast enough. | ||
| In Utah. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| As well, because some of the other fights, multiple fighters were really, I mean, poor Luke, you know, wasn't conditioning-wise, but there were other, in the prelims, where people were really tiring out in the second and third rounds of three-round fights. | ||
| Sure. | ||
| And both these dudes, Uzman as well, they looked really fresh in the fifth round. | ||
| Well, Usman lives and trains at least in Colorado. | ||
| So he's training at altitude, which is great. | ||
| But there's arguments about that, too. | ||
| One of the arguments is that the best method to do is actually to sleep at altitude, but to train at sea level. | ||
| Yeah, because it's about how much output you can put out. | ||
| And that if you're training at sea level, you are able to put in more work. | ||
| So you have more output. | ||
| So you're able to condition your body better, and then you recover at altitude. | ||
| So in your sleep time, your rest time, then your body acclimates and produces more red blood cells, which enhances your endurance, but you're still getting in more work. | ||
| Interesting. | ||
| Yeah, that's the general consensus now, is they think that it's better to sleep at altitude. | ||
| So people have these altitude tents. | ||
| Hyperbaric stuff? | ||
| No, it's an altitude tent. | ||
| It's a tent that you sleep in. | ||
| And so what it is, is like you are in this diminished oxygen environment while you're sleeping. | ||
| That's like, what, a mile or 10,000 feet or something? | ||
| Yeah, something like 10,000 feet. | ||
| And I know BJ Penn used those when he was fighting, and some other folks have used those, but Leon used that throughout his camp. | ||
| So even when Leon was training in England, before he came over to America to prepare for the final leg of his training, he was sleeping in an altitude tent. | ||
| Worked out. | ||
| It worked out. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| Wild. | ||
| And they're going to have a rematch. | ||
| If they do have a rematch, it'll be in England. | ||
| So Covington won't get Edwards or... | ||
| I don't know, because a head kick like that takes a long time to recover from, and that's something that really needs to be discussed, because his ability to absorb punishment may be Because of that kind of a knockout when you get knocked unconscious, like Freddie Roach wouldn't let Manny Pacquiao do anything for like a year. | ||
| He wouldn't let him fight, he wouldn't let him train, he wouldn't let him spar. | ||
| He was like, you need to take a long time off after Juan Manuel Marquez knocked him out with that one punch. | ||
| That kind of KO when you're flatlined, when you're flatlined by a massive blow like a fucking head kick, which is the most powerful blow that you could throw in MMA. That can affect you. | ||
| And it affects different people in different ways. | ||
| There's all sorts of different variables that have to be taken into consideration. | ||
| Was it just a flash knockout? | ||
| Is he going to be fined in a couple of months? | ||
| Or is it something that we don't know what kind of repercussions health-wise that's going to have on him? | ||
| Some guys, they lose their chin, like, overnight. | ||
| One knockout like that, and they're never the same again. | ||
| Hopefully not for Kamaru. | ||
| He's a lot of fun to watch. | ||
| No, he's awesome. | ||
| He's awesome. | ||
| I mean, in my opinion, before that fight, he was the greatest welterweight of all time. | ||
| If you look at the quality of his competition and the way he dominated them, he didn't just have, like, close fights with people. | ||
| He was smashing them. | ||
| And he did that all the way up to his title run, and he did that while he held the title, and one fucking kick changed everything. | ||
| There's some fun fights coming up. | ||
| Oh, yeah, man. | ||
| Yeah, there's some good ones. | ||
| Adesanya's fighting. | ||
| That's a good one. | ||
| Pejera's a dangerous man. | ||
| Mr. Diaz is coming back to the ring. | ||
| Yeah, and he's fighting Hamzat, which is crazy. | ||
| I know, that guy's... | ||
| Yeah, that guy's intense. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| Yeah, there's some great fights. | ||
| But Diaz is one of those ones, and I'm a fight fan, but it's a no-brainer. | ||
| You know, there's just a few guys. | ||
| It doesn't matter what you're doing, you always make sure you tune in. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| That's like with Conor. | ||
| It was like that with Floyd Mayweather, even though it wasn't... | ||
| That's why I really shifted from loving boxing to loving MMA and the UFC, just because it's so much more definitive in the MMA world. | ||
| But Conor and the Diaz brothers and... | ||
| Adesanya up until maybe the last couple fights where they haven't been as exciting, I would say. | ||
| I would say there's a reason for that, is that Adesanya is smart. | ||
| Like, the guy he fought in his last fight, Jared Cannoneer, everybody's like, well, he didn't do enough, he just coasted and won. | ||
| No, he was fighting one of the most fucking dangerous guys alive at 185 pounds. | ||
| Jared Cannoneer is a fucking monster. | ||
| He's so dangerous. | ||
| He's so powerful. | ||
| Big. | ||
| And he's so big. | ||
| He fought at heavyweight, and then he fought at light heavyweight, and he makes 185 by the skin of his teeth. | ||
| And then weighs, what, 205 on fight night? | ||
| Easily. | ||
| He's massive. | ||
| Well, do you know that Pejera, Alex, the guy who is going to fight Stylebender next, he weighed.229 when he fought last. | ||
| What? | ||
| Yes. | ||
| So he weighed in at 185 and then he was 229 on fight day. | ||
| How is that even possible? | ||
| Science. | ||
| That's a wild cut. | ||
| I don't know. | ||
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| He's a wizard. | ||
| He's so technical. | ||
| He's the most technical guy in the sport in history in terms of striking. | ||
| No one's even close to him. | ||
| He's so good. | ||
| But look, that's the difference. | ||
| So what did he say? | ||
| So he cut 47 pounds. | ||
| So that's him fight day on the right, and that's him weigh-in. | ||
| So 99 kilograms. | ||
| What is that? | ||
| What's 99 kilograms? | ||
| 220. Just under 220. So he weighed 220. So 47 fucking pounds. | ||
| That is bonkers. | ||
| To go from 85 to whatever that is. | ||
| Yeah, 100 kilos is 220, so that's... | ||
| That's incredible. | ||
| It's fucking incredible. | ||
| But that's what they're doing. | ||
| And that's the most avoidable aspect of MMA, I think, is the weight cutting. | ||
| And I think it's a real problem. | ||
| So what do you do to change it? | ||
| They need to do hydration tests. | ||
| They need to have more weight classes. | ||
| Because right now there's only eight weight classes. | ||
| So there's some big jumps. | ||
| And one of the big jumps is 85 to 265. 205, rather, and then 205 to 265. Those are the big jumps. | ||
| So 85 to 205, that's 20 fucking pounds. | ||
| That's so much weight. | ||
| There's nothing like that in boxing. | ||
| In boxing, you have guys that are fighting at 147, and then you have guys that are fighting at 154, and then you have guys that are fighting at 160. That's so reasonable. | ||
| Six-pound weight class differences are very reasonable, and then it goes to 68. That's reasonable. | ||
| Then it goes 68 to 75, also reasonable. | ||
| These make sense. | ||
| Seven pound gaps, six pound gaps. | ||
| The 20 pound gaps that they have in MMA are nuts. | ||
| And then how about the fucking 60 pound gap from 205 to heavyweight? | ||
| That's crazy! | ||
| It's too big. | ||
| It's too much. | ||
| And the way these guys are depleting their body and destroying their body to make weight, you can only do that so many times. | ||
| Guys start getting kidney damage. | ||
| They start getting kidney stones and develop all sorts of issues with their organs. | ||
| It's just not good. | ||
| And it's avoidable. | ||
| It's totally avoidable. | ||
| If you just structured the weight classes and ran hydration tests to make sure that guys are competing in a weight class that is actually their frame, that actually fits them. | ||
| That can be done. | ||
| Make it happen. | ||
| Nobody wants to listen to me, man. | ||
| I brought it up with the powers that be. | ||
| There's a lot of things that I bring up that they go, yeah, yeah, yeah. | ||
| No, we can't. | ||
| But they could. | ||
| And unfortunately, I think it's going to take a tragedy. | ||
| And we've had people die overseas. | ||
| I've seen people on death's door. | ||
| I remember when Travis Luder fought Anderson Silva. | ||
| He missed weight. | ||
| But I was there while he was trying to make weight. | ||
| So he missed weight and then they gave him a certain allotted amount of time to try to make weight again afterwards to see if the fight can still go on. | ||
| I watched him shuffle because he couldn't walk. | ||
| So he was shuffling to the scale. | ||
| His lips were cracked. | ||
| Like you could see like blood in his lips because he was so dehydrated. | ||
| There was no water. | ||
| He had dried himself out to death's door. | ||
| Like if he had to fight that right then at that moment, he would not have been able to go one round. | ||
| He was so exhausted. | ||
| And then the next day he lost and he looked exhausted when he lost. | ||
| He wound up losing by submission. | ||
| He got caught in a triangle and got hit with elbows and tapped out. | ||
| But it was more the weight class or the weight cut than it was anything else. | ||
| You know, you could say that's on him because he didn't do it correctly. | ||
| Look, you know, Usman is big for the weight class too. | ||
| So is Leon Edwards. | ||
| They both made the weight fined and then they rehydrated. | ||
| It can be done. | ||
| But it's unavoidable. | ||
| It's an avoidable part of MMA that I think should really be addressed. | ||
| And I think it's also cheating. | ||
| I think it's sanctioned cheating. | ||
| You know, you're not 180. You're not. | ||
| You're pretending. | ||
| You're pretending you're fighting at 185 pounds. | ||
| You're fighting at 220. That's what you are. | ||
| You're 220. You just dry yourself out to 185 for the briefest amount of time possible. | ||
| You hop on a scale early, and then they scientifically rehydrate you up to a healthy level. | ||
| To dehydrate yourself to the point of literally on death's door 24 hours before a fucking cage fight is crazy. | ||
| You wouldn't go out and party 24 hours before a cage fight. | ||
| You wouldn't do any of the things that could deplete your body the same way dehydration does. | ||
| But yet we allow it. | ||
| And not only do we allow it, we expect it. | ||
| It's dumb. | ||
| It's dumb and it's avoidable. | ||
| And it's one of the biggest dangers in the sport. | ||
| There's a company called One FC that apparently have some sort of hydration policy. | ||
| People that were competing at lower weight classes are now competing at higher weight classes. | ||
| They move stuff around, but they've addressed it. | ||
| And they've addressed it in a way that seems to work for their organization. | ||
| And I'm sure there's some fuckery involved and some shenanigans involved, but way less than we have in the UFC. We'd like to see them be preemptive instead of... | ||
| Yes. | ||
| Reactive. | ||
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| Proactive instead of reactive. | ||
| It happened in our league. | ||
| You know, forever, my rookie year, you know, day one through day 14 is double days. | ||
| You know, two practices a day. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| And how did that change? | ||
| Somebody died. | ||
| And then it was two and one and two and one and two and one. | ||
| And then there were some college kids that died. | ||
| And then they went, oh, you can't ever do double days in a row anymore. | ||
| No, are they dying from heat stroke? | ||
| Are they dying from exhaustion? | ||
| Both. | ||
| And there was some maybe genetic issues going on, but at the root, there was not the right nutrition and hydration policies or education involved to allow these guys to recover. | ||
| And what was going on Only got changed when there was a tragedy. | ||
| Do you think that's because they are trying to instill mental toughness and just condition them to just some extreme level by doing this and that this was like this old school thought? | ||
| 100%. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| And some coaches have still said it today. | ||
| How do you build callus if you don't put them through hell? | ||
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Right. | |
| Work smarter, not longer. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| Efficiency over time. | ||
| Well, I have a thought on that, too. | ||
| I mean, I think you can make people mentally tougher, but I think at the elite levels of competition, everyone's mentally tough. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| And that's not the issue. | ||
| And I've seen people fight over-trained. | ||
| You know, I saw Tim Kennedy. | ||
| He went through two camps in a row because one fight got canceled, and they went right into another camp, and then he went out fighting Kelvin Gastelum, and he was gassed out, like, almost immediately. | ||
| Which, that fucking guy has a gas tank as big as the ocean. | ||
| He's never out of gas. | ||
| It's like one of his biggest strengths is his fucking relentless pace. | ||
| But his body was just failing him because it had never gotten the adequate rest and recovery. | ||
| Well, I mean, I think for a lot of the older mindset, older coaches, that's not part of it. | ||
| You know, rest, recovery, hydration, proper eating habits. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| How that affects performance. | ||
| It never came into effect. | ||
| You know, it's like, no, we're going to grind you and see what your limit is. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| And the ones that can make it through, they're going to make the team. | ||
| The ones that can't, you're fucking out of here. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| But that's just, thankfully, that's not the way we do it anymore. | ||
| But I don't think it ever has to be. | ||
| They've had to change a lot of things in the NFL, right? | ||
| I mean, concussions. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| Now people realize what an issue that is. | ||
| I mean, when you first started playing football, how much talk was there about CTE and concussion? | ||
| None. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| You know, you get dinged in the head, you see stars, and get back out there. | ||
| Yeah, yeah. | ||
| Now there's much better policies in place and awareness around it. | ||
| And, you know, probably as much attention as could possibly be to any type of head injury that happens. | ||
| We have spotters who can pull people out of games who might have got dinged up. | ||
| We have multiple independent medical personnel whose main job is to watch for head injuries now, which is great. | ||
| And the recovery process to actually get back on the field is way more difficult. | ||
| You've got to pass a number of different tests. | ||
| It's all slotted on a day-to-day basis. | ||
| It really sets up that you're not going to be able to come back the next week. | ||
| What protocols do they have for recovery? | ||
| So if someone gets dinged, they get concussed, what do they do to try to help them recover? | ||
| Well, I don't think that part is maybe where it needs to be yet. | ||
| It's more go home and rest. | ||
| Really? | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| So they don't have any modalities, they don't have any therapies, they don't have anything that they do, hyperbaric chambers, nothing? | ||
| Not in Green Bay. | ||
| Really? | ||
| And I would say not in probably most places. | ||
| There's, I think in any business, I'm not just going to single out the NFL, but there is an aversion to a new way of doing things, always. | ||
| And I think until they see other people doing it and having success maybe, it's always going to be met with, no, this is how we do things. | ||
| We've always done it a certain way. | ||
| This is how we're going to do things. | ||
| Now, there's education that comes up and conversations, and we further... | ||
| But it's not like, hey, you got a concussion? | ||
| Okay, you're going to hyperbaric for, you know, days one through three and do light therapy in this day and do, you know, and take, you know, this on this, whatever it might be. | ||
| There's not. | ||
| And what tests do they do on people to make sure that they have recovered? | ||
| Cognitive testing. | ||
| There's balance testing. | ||
| You know, there's multiple cognitive tests and then a balance test. | ||
| And it's all compared to your baseline that you do at the beginning of every season? | ||
| When you hear about guys like Jim McMahon that are suffering really badly now, does this give you pause? | ||
| Yeah, for sure. | ||
| And I know Jim, and I'm definitely friendly with Jim. | ||
| I enjoy being around him. | ||
| He plays in the same golf tournament I do in Tahoe. | ||
| He's played every year it's ever been on, and I've talked to him about his issues and heard him talk about it as well, and it definitely gives me pause. | ||
| That's why I'm always doing research on my own about stuff that people have done. | ||
| Joe Namath has talked a lot about his use of hyperbaric chambers, actually, and healing some of the gray matter that has been associated with traumatic brain injuries. | ||
| But, you know, CTE has been linked to a number of suicides that we've had from former players, and it's a real thing. | ||
| I really do think it's an issue. | ||
| The NFL, I think, is doing a lot to combat it now, thankfully. | ||
| With the standardization of the helmets that we use is way different than it used to be. | ||
| I mean, there is a very high standard and testing process that goes into that. | ||
| They've tried to police the helmet-to-helmet hits that we've had. | ||
| There's way more protection for players that carry the ball. | ||
| There's protection of all sorts for any type of helmet-to-helmet contact. | ||
| You can't erase any of it, and some of it, honestly, is the draw to the sport, is the violent nature of it. | ||
| But I think all of us realize the risks that we're taking. | ||
| I mean, you should. | ||
| You're playing a contact sport, and there's things to look into and to think about when you're playing and when you're done playing to make sure you're Cognitive function is still there, and you're, you know, lesser at risk to some of the effects of CTE. Well, you're a very proactive guy, so I'm sure you have kept abreast of all your own impacts. | ||
| How many times do you think you've been concussed? | ||
| Let's see, I've had three concussions, I believe. | ||
| One, two, three. | ||
| Yeah, I've had three concussions where I've come out of games in my playing time and obviously taken a number of other hits to the head that didn't classify as concussions. | ||
| But the last one I had was in 2018 and I got kind of clotheslined. | ||
| And I went over and sat on the bench and I was like, oh man, I kind of dinged up a little bit but felt like I wasn't, I was okay and then just came on and my vision just went like, you know, and took myself out of the game and that one kind of scared me to be honest because it, It didn't feel like I was concussed. | ||
| It felt like kind of a normal shot almost. | ||
| And then it just came on and I basically was losing my vision. | ||
| And that's when it gets scary. | ||
| So that's when I really started looking into some of the things that people were writing about and researching on traumatic brain injuries and And ended up getting a hyperbaric chamber and felt like those dives have really helped me. | ||
| And then, you know, taking out for brain is awesome too. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| I saw this article recently about Brett Favre where he's talking about how he's had somewhere around a thousand concussions. | ||
| That might be exaggeration. | ||
| Might be. | ||
| Well, he played in 350 games, so that's like three a game. | ||
| I think he was talking about his whole life. | ||
| Oh, his whole life? | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| Yeah, I mean... | ||
| What does it say here? | ||
| It said more than a thousand. | ||
| It's what we know now as concussions happen all the time. | ||
| So he believes he's only suffered three concussions in his career. | ||
| He's now upped that estimate to more than a thousand. | ||
| Well, I do know that for sure, you know, when he started playing, I believe, in 91, the protocol was you got dinged. | ||
| Just take a little break, shake it off, and get back out there. | ||
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| Well, that's how it always was in sparring. | ||
| I've seen guys get knocked out in the gym, and then they're sparring 10 minutes later. | ||
| And that's when multiple concussions can happen. | ||
| Because once you get dinged the first time, the next hit doesn't have to be anywhere on the same level to have a brain issue. | ||
| So he says, what we know now is concussions happen all the time, Favre said. | ||
| You get tackled, your head hits the turf, you see flashes of light, a ring in your ears, but you're able to play. | ||
| Based on that, thousands. | ||
| So it had to be because every time my head hit the turf, there was ringing or stars going, flashbulbs, but I was still able to play. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| Yeah, I mean, if every time you get tackled, that could be a concussion-like play, then probably a lot for all of us. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| Have you found anything that's deteriorating, or would that be the end for you? | ||
| That would be the end, for sure. | ||
| I mean, my life after football is going to last a lot longer, I hope, than my life in the game. | ||
| This is my 18th season, and I'd like to think I've got more than 18 years left in my life. | ||
| That's kind of amazing that you've done that. | ||
| I mean, you think of the average NFL player. | ||
| What is the average time playing? | ||
| About three years. | ||
| Is there a sport like that? | ||
| I don't know. | ||
| I don't think there's another sport like that. | ||
| No, I mean, the turnover, it's a young man's game. | ||
| Tom has kind of rewritten some of that in 24 years, I think. | ||
| He's going back in again. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| But they don't kind of make him like that at all. | ||
| I feel fortunate to be still playing at 18 years. | ||
| But you learn how to take care of your body and avoid. | ||
| I mean, Tom has avoided, I think, big shots most of his career. | ||
| He had one knee injury, another than that. | ||
| He's been fairly healthy most of his career and not really had any concussive issues. | ||
| And I've been able to stay relatively healthy as well in my career. | ||
| But But yeah, it's a young man's game and that's the fun part is the battle against time and the battle against age and the battle against the young guys trying to take your spot. | ||
| You said you've had some knee injuries before, right? | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| What was the extent of those? | ||
| I've had multiple cartilage issues, two clean outs, had an ACL reconstruction in college, and then just a lot of issues around that, nerve issues, arthritic issues, bursa, inflammation. | ||
| And then in 2015, after that season, I got cleaned up and I said, it's time to get serious about my diet. | ||
| And I cut out a lot of shit from my diet. | ||
| You know, hurtful to many Wisconsinites, but I really cut out dairy. | ||
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And... | |
| You probably shouldn't say that out loud. | ||
| I've said it before. | ||
| Did they get upset? | ||
| They did, yeah. | ||
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Really? | |
| They said I was, you know, anti-Midwesterner. | ||
| LAUGHTER But when I did that, and I really limited gluten as well, I haven't had knee issues since January 2016. Really? | ||
| And that was since 1999, 17 years of knee issues, clean-up, and a change in diet, and nothing less, six years, as far as inflammation goes. | ||
| I had a fracture in my knee in 2018, but nothing inflammation-related. | ||
| That's incredible. | ||
| That's really amazing that diet had that much of an impact, especially when you consider the amount of abuse that your knees would take playing football. | ||
| Yeah, it's been a total game changer for me. | ||
| But diet has a big effect on more than just inflammation in your knees. | ||
| Yeah, it really does. | ||
| Personality. | ||
| Yeah, there's a big effect on your immune system, a big effect on just overall pain and the way you feel. | ||
| Yep. | ||
| It's kind of amazing how bad most food is for you. | ||
| Most of it's not real. | ||
| It's not real. | ||
| It's not good for you. | ||
| Filled with preservatives and, you know, genetically modified to stay on the shelf longer. | ||
| You talking about that fake meat? | ||
| Oh, that stuff. | ||
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Yeah. | |
| That stuff's hilarious. | ||
| Especially the vegetable fake meat. | ||
| They keep trying to sell that shit. | ||
| Nobody wants it. | ||
| The stock has crumbled. | ||
| Because everybody's like, beyond meat, this is our way out of this. | ||
| Like, uh-uh. | ||
| That's their way to more health problems. | ||
| That shit's terrible. | ||
| You ever see like the rat profiles when they serve rats? | ||
| They develop all these fucking liver problems. | ||
| They serve them that fake shit. | ||
| How'd that information get out? | ||
| I don't know. | ||
| See, find out what that study was. | ||
| There was some study about rats and the ingredients in these fake meats. | ||
| It's processed seed oils. | ||
| If you want to eat vegetarian, eat vegetables. | ||
| Don't be eating some fucking fake nonsense that's designed to make it look like a fucking cheeseburger. | ||
| You're not eating a cheeseburger, bro. | ||
| But don't eat a bunch of shit sprayed with... | ||
| Glyphosate, yeah. | ||
| That's the crazy one. | ||
| The recent discovery that some... | ||
| The percentage is insane. | ||
| Yeah, it was like 96% of corn or some shit and like 100% of soybeans or some shit. | ||
| Yeah, has glyphosate residue. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| And people are saying, oh, it's a tiny amount of parts per million. | ||
| No big deal. | ||
| Like, what are you talking about? | ||
| Where's the fucking long-term data on tiny parts per million of a fucking toxic chemical being ingested by people not being problematic? | ||
| Show me that before you're... | ||
| Because there's so many people that are co-opted by these companies, and then they'll immediately be the expert that comes on to calm people down after this, oh, you need to look at the actual data. | ||
| We're talking about the most minuscule amounts. | ||
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Okay. | |
| Well, everything is going to kill you. | ||
| So why worry about that? | ||
| What's the big deal? | ||
| Yeah, glyphosate scares the shit out of me because it's everywhere. | ||
| There's so many fucking things that are sprayed with it. | ||
| That's the thing about monocrop agriculture. | ||
| You want to be able to have 10,000 acres of corn. | ||
| Boy, that's a lot of fucking plants you have to kill. | ||
| You've got to kill a lot of other stuff that wants to grow there. | ||
| And that stuff that they spray on the plants to kill the other stuff, that shit's in your body now. | ||
| And they did blood tests on people and they found that it was some ungodly percentage. | ||
| I forget what the number was. | ||
| But that and microplastics. | ||
| Yeah, that's another one. | ||
| Not good. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| Yeah, you eat a credit card sized, worst case scenario, credit card sized piece of plastic every week. | ||
| That can't be good. | ||
| Nah. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| I don't think so. | ||
| Well, it's just the worst of it is what's happening to people in development. | ||
| Like people, when a woman's pregnant, her body's exposed to a large amount of phthalates. | ||
| I think she's from Harvard. | ||
| But she wrote this breakdown of the introduction of phthalates. | ||
| And phthalates are these chemicals that exist in plastics. | ||
| And they use mammal studies to show what happens in mammals. | ||
| And one of the things it shows is that their taints shrink. | ||
| Because the taints of male mammals are between 50 and 100 percent larger than female mammals. | ||
| But with the introduction while they're in the womb to phthalates in the female's bloodstream, the male taints shrink. | ||
| And they've shown a radical decrease in the size of taints, the radical decrease, and this is in humans. | ||
| Decreasing the size of penises and testicles and then a big uptick in miscarriages for females. | ||
| And they believe that all of these are about these chemicals that are now in our diets. | ||
| It's destroying the reproductive systems of people. | ||
| It's lowering sperm counts in a radical way. | ||
| It's very, very scary stuff. | ||
| And it's like it's almost unavoidable at this point because I don't believe that these studies were released. | ||
| I think they figured this out somewhere in like the 2010s. | ||
| And so we have like 10 years of this data and maybe even less where they're just sort of working out like what are the implications and what's actually happening to people. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| We're fucked. | ||
| We're fucked. | ||
| Or not. | ||
| I mean, maybe they'll figure it out. | ||
| I have hope. | ||
| I have hope, too. | ||
| The Roundup shit scares me almost more than anything. | ||
| Because so much of that... | ||
| What do we got here? | ||
| Plant-based impossible burger. | ||
| Okay. | ||
| Tests conducted by moms across America found the impossible burger tested positive for residues of glyphosate. | ||
| The levels of glyphosate detected in the impossible burger by Health Research Institute laboratories were 11 times higher than the non-GMO Project Verified Beyond Burger. | ||
| But wasn't there something about rats? | ||
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Can't find it? | |
| Yeah. | ||
| It said it was like a rat. | ||
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That's the title of this same page. | |
| It said like a rat feeding study. | ||
| Oh, damn it. | ||
| Was it say rat feeding study? | ||
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That was the headline of this page. | |
| Okay, rat feeding study suggests that Impossible Burger may not be safe to eat. | ||
| Great. | ||
| Now you tell me. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
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Wow. | |
| There's a lot to consider, but, you know, I hope people, at least because of this information, will make better choices. | ||
| That's the hope. | ||
| And, you know, organic foods, definitely a better choice. | ||
| And, you know, also limit your amount of fucking bullshit in your diet. | ||
| Drink more water. | ||
| Drink more water. | ||
| What a radical idea. | ||
| Yeah, how about that? | ||
| Yeah, probably good for you. | ||
| Start with that. | ||
| Take some vitamins and electrolytes. | ||
| Get out in the sun. | ||
| Get out there. | ||
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Exercise. | |
| Get out in nature. | ||
| Get off your phone. | ||
| Lose some weight. | ||
| Don't eat cheeseburgers as much. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| Get off your phone. | ||
| Live your life. | ||
| Thanks, buddy. | ||
| Hey, my pleasure, brother. | ||
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Appreciate it. | |
| Thanks for being here. | ||
| It was a lot of fun. | ||
| It was great to hang out. | ||
| We'll do this again sometime. | ||
| All right. |
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