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July 26, 2022 - The Joe Rogan Experience
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Joe Rogan Experience #1847 - Theo Von
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How many times have you smoked this ago?
theo von
I don't know if I've smoked one before.
You open that again one more time, sorry.
joe rogan
Just pull it down.
Yeah, flip the top.
There you go.
And then pull that down.
There you go.
How would you not know whether or not you've smoked a cigar?
theo von
Well, I used to work at this business company.
I worked at this insurance company.
I did paperwork.
Not paperwork, but I, like, mailed papers for them.
And, like, mailings, I guess.
I guess that's paperwork.
joe rogan
Yeah.
theo von
And the man had a lot of nice cigars in there.
joe rogan
And you may or may not have smoked one.
theo von
I feel like he tried to teach you one time.
Oh, I feel my heart shutting.
Is that always like it is?
joe rogan
I don't know.
No, your heart doesn't shut.
unidentified
I think it's the smelling salts.
joe rogan
We just tried a new batch of the smelling salts.
Last time I did smelling salts, first time was with you, right?
And we just got a new batch and it was way stronger.
Because we did one with Red Band and it was old.
It was the old ones.
And they get weak after a while.
But that one was a freshie.
Like we pulled the tab off the top and took a hit of it.
It just burned all my nostril hairs off.
theo von
Oh, man.
It felt like somebody was fucking playing Legend of Zelda in my lungs, brother.
Shit was fucking really...
It doesn't even hit your lungs.
I feel like it goes through just into everything else.
joe rogan
It does a lot.
theo von
Yeah, it does a lot.
joe rogan
Can I just tell you your hair looks fabulous?
theo von
Oh, thanks, man.
Really?
joe rogan
It looks fabulous.
theo von
Thanks, dude.
joe rogan
It's just full everything.
theo von
I just got some new hair done out of the back, put in the front.
How'd you do that?
joe rogan
Were you losing hair?
theo von
Surgery.
joe rogan
Yeah?
Were you losing?
theo von
I don't know if I was losing as much as I've been also getting paranoid and just trying to be preparatory, but I was having a lot of stress, too.
joe rogan
Oh.
theo von
Last year.
joe rogan
What were you having stress about?
theo von
Let me think.
joe rogan
Do you want to wear headphones or no?
theo von
Oh, yeah.
You want to put one on?
I didn't see you had yours on.
joe rogan
I feel like I'm alone here in headphone land.
theo von
Yeah, it is weird, huh?
It's like when you put a condom on and the other person's just still looking at their phone.
You're like, oh, this is weird.
And the person, I mean, is a woman, too.
joe rogan
Jesus Christ, you gotta tell everybody, huh?
theo von
Well, I was just saying.
I just had a crazy...
I had a trainer the other day, and it was a gay trainer, right?
And he had a purse with him the whole time.
And it just...
joe rogan
What's the difference between a purse and a large shoulder bag?
theo von
Okay, this one I would say had bejewels on it, you know.
joe rogan
Mmm, bejeweled.
theo von
So it had, yeah, you know, it looked like somebody had, um, it looked like something you'd find in Egypt, you know, if you were digging.
joe rogan
It was bedazzled.
theo von
If you were digging in a men's locker room, it looked like something you'd find in Egypt, baby.
You know what I'm talking about, baby.
joe rogan
The first thing is funny, right, because it's like purely a woman's accoutrement.
And it has always been that way.
But, like, why?
Like, backpacks.
Guys can wear backpacks.
Guys can have gym bags.
Guys can have all kinds of bags.
unidentified
Yeah.
joe rogan
But not a purse.
But meanwhile, guys generally carry more shit than women do, right?
I guess not.
Women carry makeup and stuff.
theo von
And guys have their nuts, too, which is like in a little bag, kind of.
You know what I'm saying?
joe rogan
Good point.
theo von
So it's almost like your dick has like a little purse.
Or like a hand or something.
joe rogan
A little cum purse.
theo von
Yeah.
joe rogan
That's where you store jizz.
theo von
But what else?
Oh, yeah.
So I think, yeah, that's interesting.
I guess, yeah, I guess maybe since women carried more stuff.
I'm not sure.
Let me try this.
joe rogan
Is it out?
unidentified
No.
theo von
I'm not sure.
joe rogan
I think it's lit, bro.
Just take a puff.
Deep in.
There you go.
Yeah, that sucker's lit.
theo von
Alright.
joe rogan
We just want to kind of like get it going.
Yeah, don't inhale.
Just kind of get it in your mouth.
And the nicotine will get into your bloodstream.
And then the conversation flows magically.
unidentified
Yeah.
joe rogan
Did you ever smoke cigarettes?
theo von
Oh, yeah.
joe rogan
Yeah?
theo von
I used to smoke them, man.
One time I got so depressed, I'd been seeing this gal and she split up with me.
joe rogan
Damn.
theo von
And I smoked probably 33, 34 Newports in a row laying on a...
joe rogan
Futon?
theo von
No.
It's a...
What's like a floating chair?
It has like little things on the end, kind of.
You know what I'm talking about?
joe rogan
A floating chair?
The one you put in the pool?
theo von
No, it has like a couple people can sit on it, but it's like a...
It's like a couple chairs are together, like in a group.
And it has like chains.
You know what I'm talking about?
People put it on the porch.
unidentified
Oh, yeah, yeah.
theo von
Swing, porch swing.
Yeah, yeah, porch swing.
joe rogan
And you just drank, smoked Newports?
Tried to get over this lady?
theo von
Yeah, they just...
Yeah, they just...
I felt like it was helping my spirit.
joe rogan
What happened with her?
theo von
She caught me running around on her.
And I was doing it, too.
joe rogan
Well, women get upset about that.
theo von
Yeah, they do, huh?
joe rogan
They do.
theo von
Did you ever get busted for that ever in your life?
joe rogan
Oh, yeah.
unidentified
Did you?
joe rogan
Yeah, yeah, yeah.
unidentified
No.
joe rogan
Especially when I was younger.
Young, like, young, young.
But I busted a lot of girls, too.
One time, this is hilarious, I dated this girl when I was in high school.
And I used to have a job delivering newspapers.
I used to have to get up every morning, really early.
And I was getting up in the morning a lot of times on, like, Saturday and Sunday, when people were coming home.
And so I got up at, like, whatever it was, 4 or 5 in the morning.
I go outside, and this girl that I was dating is making out with this friend of mine.
In a car, right in front of my house.
theo von
Oh, why'd they drive over there to do it?
joe rogan
I don't, I think maybe...
theo von
Like a territorial thing?
joe rogan
No, she was friends with my sister, and I think they were probably all out partying, and they just wound up there, and they figured, fuck, no one's gonna be awake.
unidentified
Damn, bro.
joe rogan
So I came outside, and I just slapped my hand on the hood of the car while they were making out, and looked at him, and went, ah!
I just drove off.
theo von
Damn, and you had to go due to work still?
joe rogan
Yeah, I was happy about it.
theo von
Oh, you were?
joe rogan
Yeah, it wasn't like...
It wasn't like a serious commitment to this lady, this young lady at the time.
theo von
Yeah.
joe rogan
It was just like, you know, we're just getting our freak on.
theo von
Yeah.
Just being naughty like that.
Yeah, I miss being, yeah, it was, I don't, I mean, I miss it.
I don't miss it, but it was fun whenever you were like, shit used to be so haywire when you were young.
It was like so much weird shit could go on, you know?
joe rogan
Well, you were wild.
Like, you'd only been making out with people for a couple of years.
theo von
Yeah, one time this guy I knew was having sex with this girl and like the rest of us were just kind of being lonely outside of his room.
unidentified
And we went on the balcony.
theo von
We went on the balcony.
joe rogan
How many guys are outside of the room being lonely?
unidentified
Three guys.
joe rogan
So one guy's in there getting his freak on and everybody else is outside.
theo von
And because of the sound, you feel so much fucking lonelier.
And we went outside on the balcony.
One guy was out there smoking a cigarette, and so then he starts listening to the sex through the window.
Then he comes back in, and he's like, you guys gotta come in here, you know?
Chucky's doing some work in here, you know what I'm saying?
It's worth coming out, you know?
It's almost like if you hear a good song, like, hey, hey, guys.
So we went out and the guy leaned too close on the window and fell right through the fucking pane glass, dude.
unidentified
No.
theo von
Caught himself up and then all of a sudden it's all exposed and they're in there.
joe rogan
Oh my god.
theo von
Oh, it was freaking, I felt bad for everybody.
joe rogan
How was he leaning like that where he broke the window?
theo von
It was cheap windows.
It was a college apartment complex.
unidentified
Oh.
theo von
Like probably single pane glass.
unidentified
Right.
theo von
Everything in there was cheap because people just broke it all the time.
joe rogan
Can you imagine being a landlord for a bunch of college kids?
unidentified
Never.
joe rogan
Imagine being a landlord today, because so many people, there was rent protection during the pandemic, and people are still like, nah, not paying.
theo von
Yeah.
joe rogan
Like, I know a guy who has not collected rent from this one person for three fucking years, and he's like, I can't get rid of them.
I don't know what to do.
I'm not making any money.
Like, I have to pay the mortgage, and I'm not making any money off of rent.
unidentified
Right.
joe rogan
And then I can't rent it out to anybody else, and I can't get rid of them.
And the lady has a job.
The lady has a job.
She goes to work every day and won't pay rent.
theo von
Oh, she shouldn't do that.
unidentified
No.
joe rogan
But there's, like, in Los Angeles, there's rent protection.
theo von
Oh, yeah.
joe rogan
I don't know if that's still in place.
Is that still in place?
Do you know?
theo von
There's a TV show about bad people that do renting.
There's also...
I saw a...
Oh, I had a tenant that stayed in an apartment that I had in New Orleans for two months and just didn't pay any rent.
Thankfully, it was only two months, but it was just nothing you could do.
By the time you have to go to this...
b-real
Did you own an apartment building?
unidentified
Yeah.
theo von
Not a building.
One apartment.
joe rogan
Oh, really?
theo von
Yeah.
joe rogan
And you rented it out and they wouldn't pay rent?
theo von
Yeah.
b-real
Most people they have shame and like if you fuck with them and keep they They want to either get out of there or they just want to pay you and get it over with But some people are shameless and this lady that this guy I know is running out to is totally shameless was she um do you think she was doing like some type of Like secret work and she doesn't she didn't want like do you like what do you think the reason was?
joe rogan
I think she would like to spend her money on other things.
unidentified
Yeah.
joe rogan
I think it's that simple.
I mean, who knows what kind of financial situation she's in, but she does have a job, and she goes to this job, apparently, according to him, and she just won't pay rent.
Like, when they put the rent protection thing on...
I don't know exactly...
I mean, I think the rent protection was supposed to be put in place for people that lost their job during the pandemic, so you wouldn't have a bunch of people just kicked out on the street.
theo von
Yeah, like a moratorium.
joe rogan
Yeah, yeah.
I mean, a lot of people were calling for that, and it made sense during the pandemic.
The problem with that stuff is, like, getting people to start back up again and pay.
theo von
Yeah, it's hard.
joe rogan
People don't want to do that.
theo von
Yeah, once you realize you can be somewhere without it, you just have to, like, have a tough conversation at the door once a month or twice a month, and I think some people are going to do that.
joe rogan
Well, that's a problem that a lot of people have with a lot of free money from the state.
That once you get it, you don't want to not get it anymore.
This was the argument against universal basic income.
Is that once you start getting that money, then you're like, why am I working?
Fuck working.
I'll just live off of that money.
That's it.
I'll make a little bit on the side here and there and never work again.
Yay.
theo von
Yeah, I remember we talked about that one time.
We were talking about universal basic income.
I wonder if I would like it or not.
joe rogan
Well, it'd be nice to have money where you don't have to think about food.
theo von
Right.
joe rogan
And don't have to think about rent.
That would be great.
If everybody just had their rent and their food taken care of.
The problem with that is, man, people need incentives.
It's very difficult to just motivate yourself if you've got your food and your rent taken care of and you tend towards laziness.
You don't have a history of discipline.
theo von
Especially now they've got all those weighted blankets, too.
Do you see that?
Can you believe that shit?
joe rogan
I could sleep on the fucking floor of a bus station.
I don't need a weighted blanket.
I'm always tired.
theo von
Dude, one time I was on this bus, man.
I used to go work at this farm in the summer.
And so I would take the bus up there to Greyhound.
And they had this dude on there, he's sitting on there next to me, and he's like, hey, you want to see something?
And I thought it was going to be his dick, you know?
Because, you know, it's a freaking Graham bus.
joe rogan
He says, yeah, you want to see something, it's either a human head or a dick.
He pulls a head out of a bag.
theo von
Either way, you're getting ahead, bro.
I said no the first couple times, but the trip got longer and I was like, alright, fuck it.
Yeah, I'll see it.
He opened up.
He had a bag of jewelry and a gun.
He had robbed a jewelry store before he got on the bus.
joe rogan
Jesus Christ.
Why'd you see it?
theo von
Yeah, I think he wanted to take some of the pressure off of him by sharing it with somebody else.
I think he's like, I got an accomplice or something.
Then he even said, we should get off at this next stop.
I'm like, I'm not in this shit.
joe rogan
He's going to throw the bag at you and call the cops.
unidentified
I found him!
theo von
He might have had a good idea, maybe so.
joe rogan
Well, that's a lot of people that commit crimes like that.
They're kind of not that wired right.
They're kind of screwball.
theo von
Would you ever want to do a good crime?
joe rogan
I would want to do a good crime.
Like a crazy bank robbery.
Like a Lee Murray type bank robbery where you're wearing bulletproof armor and you come in storm blazing.
Like you're in a Guy Ritchie movie?
theo von
Yeah.
Get on the ground.
Everybody down.
joe rogan
Don't, don't, don't, don't, don't.
Shoot some rounds into the ceiling.
unidentified
Yeah.
theo von
Shoot a chandelier off.
joe rogan
Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.
It comes crashing down.
Everybody screams.
unidentified
Yeah.
If everybody listens, no one gets hurt!
Yeah.
theo von
Some ladies, and then some guy, some like 65-year-old guy, his cell phone rings and it's that bad to the bone ringtone and you just fucking shoot that phone.
joe rogan
I see some guy reaching under his waistband.
unidentified
Don't be a fucking hero!
It's not your money!
joe rogan
I saw this video the other day where this guy is sitting getting his hair cut and he's getting his hair cut and this guy comes in and just shoots the dude cutting his hair.
Boom!
And he scrambles back and the guy with the gun says, get out!
Everybody get out!
And the guy who was getting his hair cut just reaches into his band, pulls out his gun and just empties his clip into this dude.
theo von
It was real?
joe rogan
Yeah, there's so many videos now.
I follow a lot of like...
theo von
Shootings.
joe rogan
It's like a lot of police posts.
They get these security cam footage.
unidentified
Yeah, yeah.
joe rogan
Like shootouts and stuff like that.
theo von
A lot of them are in Mexico, too.
joe rogan
Oh, yeah.
unidentified
Oh, yeah.
theo von
It's crazy over there.
joe rogan
Oh, it's crazy.
theo von
People shooting each other point blank and can't even hit each other either.
That's the craziest ones is when people are like right here.
joe rogan
Yeah.
theo von
You know?
joe rogan
Go follow Ed Manifesto on Instagram.
He's a dude that's been on the podcast a couple of times.
His name is Ed Calderon.
And he used to work for the Mexican government.
He used to be in, like, the anti-cartel, you know, whatever that is over there.
theo von
Yeah.
joe rogan
Whatever the force.
And he's got...
Yeah, this is the video.
Watch this.
Oh, man.
Here, play this, Jamie.
theo von
Oh my goodness.
unidentified
That's all real?
joe rogan
Yeah, that's all real.
jamie vernon
That was an off-duty cop that was getting his hair cut.
joe rogan
Is that what it is?
jamie vernon
That's what the article I found it in says.
joe rogan
Well, he's got perfect technique.
Crazy.
jamie vernon
Speaking of that, that shooting that happened at the mall?
joe rogan
Yes.
jamie vernon
You hear about that?
joe rogan
Yes, the shooting that happened at the mall.
This is one of those crazy situations where an armed good guy stopped a bad guy from killing a bunch of people.
This guy shows up at the mall, pulls out a gun, Kills two people.
And within seconds, this happens.
This guy reaches into his, pushes his girlfriend aside, reaches into his waist, pulls out his gun, and shoots at this guy from 40 yards away.
unidentified
No.
joe rogan
Ten shots, hits him eight times.
theo von
Is that pretty far?
joe rogan
It's pretty far.
For a pistol, that's far.
That's far.
That's like a good shot with an arrow.
Like a bow and arrow.
It's 40 yards.
That's a fucking poke.
And for you to do this under pressure and to take a life, and he hit him eight times, he could shoot.
He's a 22-year-old man.
Of course, the NRA has jumped all over this, and they've said, you know, hey, this is one of those examples where a good guy with a gun kills a bad guy.
What you just saw is another one of those examples.
theo von
Yeah.
joe rogan
It does happen.
And the problem is people don't want to admit that that happens because it doesn't fit with their narrative.
This is one of the things that always happens when there's a hot topic, whether it's gun control or whatever it is, where you have a very specific idea of what you think the problem is and what you think the solution is.
And a lot of people think the problem is guns.
The solution is take all the guns.
And, you know, some people say no.
The solution is you should be armed and be prepared to take care of things.
If something goes wrong, you should be trained and you should be prepared to use your gun.
And in this case, that is the correct answer.
In this case.
jamie vernon
I think that's the right angle he had.
theo von
Oh, is that a Jason's Deli?
jamie vernon
Where the shooting was right there, the guy who got shot.
joe rogan
Yeah, so now...
unidentified
Wow!
joe rogan
It depends entirely on whether or not this guy has a red dot.
And how much he's trained.
If he has a red dot, it's considerably easier to hit what you're aiming at.
Because a red dot, when you pull out a pistol...
Excuse me here.
I think that smelling salts fucked me up.
theo von
Really?
unidentified
I like that.
joe rogan
Yeah, is it fucked you up too, Jamie?
jamie vernon
I didn't go all the way...
joe rogan
I went all in.
I took the biggest, deepest whip, and it was immediately...
I was punished for that.
jamie vernon
It felt heavier than normal.
joe rogan
It was way worse because it was just right when we pulled the seal off but anyway my whole throat is like confused but a red dot like when you draw and you have a red dot the red dot will show you exactly where that bullets gonna go and when it turns green is that when you shoot no no it's just red it stays red okay it's just it's just you know in place of the iron sights like the iron sights you have like oh yeah the little thing yeah the little thing and then in between it is like you put the the little That's on the end of the pistol and you line the two of them up
and you shoot.
With a red dot you don't have to do that.
You just pull it out and it's like a sight and in that sight there's a red dot.
Wherever that red dot is, that's where that bullet's going to go.
theo von
And how accurate is that?
How much times?
joe rogan
It depends entirely on whether or not you've sighted in the gun properly.
But if you've sighted in the gun properly, it's very accurate.
Especially if you have a really good gun, like a Staccato or a SIG or, you know, some top-end.
Glock, high-end gun.
So if this guy knew what he was doing, clearly he did.
If he hit that guy from 40 yards away eight times with ten shots, that fucking guy can shoot.
theo von
Damn.
That's like Steph Curry, really.
joe rogan
You know, it's like, for the dude who's the shooter, it's the wrong, like, worst case scenario.
You happen to be close enough where a guy who has a gun can immediately shoot you.
So this guy starts shooting, and I think it was within two minutes or something like that.
theo von
But how dangerous...
joe rogan
Something very quick where he starts shooting at a guy.
theo von
How dangerous to shoot across a food court, though?
joe rogan
Very dangerous.
Very dangerous.
theo von
You know?
joe rogan
But not as dangerous as letting this guy go.
unidentified
Right.
joe rogan
You let this guy keep shooting people, he's probably going to shoot you next.
I mean, he's probably just going to shoot every body he can get a hold of.
theo von
So people always talk about like, oh, there shouldn't be any more guns, right?
joe rogan
Yeah.
theo von
But how would you ever achieve that based on kind of where we are?
joe rogan
You wouldn't.
You would have to go full totalitarian, where you'd have to break into everyone's homes and have a full account of all their possessions, and then even then, you wouldn't know what they have buried in their garage, buried in their backyard, buried in a storage unit somewhere.
You'd have to literally comb the earth.
There's more guns in this country than there are people.
theo von
Wow.
joe rogan
Yeah.
Like, a lot more.
theo von
That's unbelievable, man.
joe rogan
It's pretty crazy.
That means there's 320 million people in this country.
There's more than 320 million guns.
That's a lot of guns, son.
And they're making new ones every day.
theo von
Dang.
joe rogan
Every day, right now.
They're making guns.
theo von
I have two guns.
joe rogan
That's all you have?
theo von
Yeah.
joe rogan
How come you don't have more?
theo von
I would consider getting one more.
joe rogan
You would?
unidentified
Mm-hmm.
joe rogan
I could talk you into it.
unidentified
Yeah, you could.
joe rogan
What kind would you like?
A shotgun?
Like a home defense gun?
theo von
Ooh, yeah, yeah, yeah.
I want something like that.
joe rogan
Shotgun's great, because you get a lot of things go flying at them.
theo von
Yeah, and shotgun, you might not kill them, too, huh?
unidentified
Um...
theo von
Do they make a gun that you definitely can't kill someone, but you can, you know...
joe rogan
You don't want that.
You want something that could stop a person, because if a person's coming after you, you don't want something that stuns them and then they shoot you.
unidentified
Yeah.
joe rogan
You know?
If you're in that position where you're forced to use what they would call lethal force, you want it to actually work, you know?
theo von
Everybody was always used to say that they would rather get stabbed than get gunned.
joe rogan
Oh, they're crazy.
theo von
But yeah, and then recently I heard, yeah, you should get shot.
If somebody's like, hey, I'm going to shoot you or stab you, say, hey, shoot me.
joe rogan
Yeah, well, it depends on where they shoot you and where they stab you.
If they stab you in the top of the head, you're probably going to be okay.
Unless you're on The Walking Dead.
Those guns, like those knives in The Walking Dead, they go right in your head.
theo von
Yeah.
joe rogan
You ever notice that?
You know how hard it is to stab someone in the fucking skull and go right through their skull into their brain?
theo von
It would be hard, huh?
joe rogan
Yeah, unless you get them in the temple, it's difficult.
But in The Walking Dead, they're just...
It's like they're made out of goo.
theo von
Yeah.
Do you still watch it?
joe rogan
No.
No, it's terrible.
And then also in The Walking Dead, the arrows don't go through the head, which is crazy.
Yeah, they just get stuck.
They just get stuck.
theo von
It probably just seems more exciting.
joe rogan
Yeah, I mean, it's just special effects.
But also, the arrows have field tips.
They're not even using broadheads.
They're using, like, target tips.
theo von
Oh, I don't know that much about arrows.
joe rogan
Yeah, if you look at an arrow, like in The Walking Dead, the tips, they don't have like a big broad head, like a big cutting edge.
They have a point, just a little pointy point.
That's enough to kill the zombie.
And then you gotta pull the arrow out, and that's fucking stupid.
theo von
Yeah, I'm trying to think if a zombie was coming at me and I didn't have a weapon, what I would use.
I guess I would probably, because I think if they bite you, then you're done.
joe rogan
That's the whole problem.
theo von
You'd have to probably outrun them or try and get them dizzy, you know?
joe rogan
What do you think would get a zombie dizzy?
theo von
I think a lot of cutbacks, probably.
A lot of, you know, 180s, 720s.
joe rogan
My favorite person in The Walking Dead was the lady with the samurai sword.
She fucked everybody up.
theo von
Yeah, they have a new spinoff, actually.
joe rogan
Is it just her?
theo von
And I think it's her and someone else.
Yeah, she had the dreadlocks.
joe rogan
Yeah, yeah, yeah.
After a while, though, like, how many zombies can you watch get killed?
Like, enough.
theo von
Yeah, it's almost weird if people are still watching it.
joe rogan
If you're like a big fan, this new season is my favorite.
I think it's better now than ever.
You know, because it's like we've gotten over just killing zombies all day, and then it started getting scary again.
theo von
Dude, and none of the zombies, I wish they could cut away every now and then some of the zombies trying to fuck on the side.
joe rogan
You think zombies fucking make new zombies?
theo von
Bro, come on.
If you're a zombie, dude, you know there's some cool-ass zombies over on the side trying to get some of that fucking zompuss, bro.
joe rogan
I feel like it would be real easy to kill all the zombies.
I don't think that it would be the kind of epidemic that they claim in those shows.
They move slow.
theo von
Okay, so they move slow, but they just keep coming back, man.
joe rogan
Yeah, but like if zombies are coming to Texas, they're gonna get gunned down.
Okay.
They're not gonna make it.
theo von
But what about at nighttime when people who are out there shooting start to get tired and they gotta rest?
joe rogan
They go inside.
Zombies are clawing at the door.
They can't even figure out doorknobs.
They're idiots.
unidentified
I need to take a break.
joe rogan
I'm going to take a break.
I'm going to shut this door.
Take a nap on the kitchen floor.
They're clawing at the doors.
They wake up, brew some coffee, reload.
Get out there.
Boom, boom, boom.
Clean your porch off.
theo von
Dude, you're right.
Zombies are fucking idiots, right?
joe rogan
They're idiots.
The Scary Zombies 28 Days Later.
Those are the scariest.
Did you ever see that movie?
theo von
I don't think I've seen that.
joe rogan
Best zombie movie of all time.
Unquestionably.
Hands down.
Number one.
theo von
What about Bram Stoker's Dracula?
Do you remember that movie?
joe rogan
Fuck yeah.
Fuck yeah.
theo von
So fucking good, dude.
joe rogan
Fuck yeah.
That was a good movie, man.
That was the best movie.
theo von
God, it was good.
joe rogan
Best vampire movie, rather.
That was really good.
theo von
Remember how scared you used to get when you were a kid?
Did you ever get fucking really scared?
joe rogan
Oh, yeah, man.
Yeah, little kids are vulnerable.
You think vampires might be real.
Maybe people don't know.
Especially when we were kids, there was no fucking internet.
theo von
Yeah.
You just ask somebody.
If they were dumb, then you were dumb.
joe rogan
People would tell you the ghosts were real, Bigfoot's real, everything.
Yeah.
Gary Oldman was the best Dracula.
He was good in that Bram Stoker's Dracula.
He was good.
He played old Dracula, remember?
He played Dracula with the white crazy hair and the wig.
theo von
Let me think.
Can we see an image of it?
joe rogan
Yeah, he was a bunch of different ages in that movie.
Because depending on how much blood he got, if he got the good blood, he would come back to life again.
theo von
He got more young.
joe rogan
Yeah, do you remember?
Fuck yeah.
There was a scene where he was like very, very old.
And he met Keanu Reeves.
Remember?
theo von
I don't remember that good at the moment.
joe rogan
Like something happened.
I think he was shaving.
Oh yeah, he cut himself.
Yeah, he cut himself.
theo von
Yeah.
And then he was helping him shave, wasn't he?
Shaving him.
joe rogan
And then Gary Oldman licks the blade.
theo von
Yeah.
unidentified
Ugh.
joe rogan
See if you can find that scene.
Old Dracula.
Because he was old Dracula and then he was young Dracula and Winona Ryder fell in love with him.
theo von
She was beautiful.
joe rogan
Oh, she was so hot.
Isn't that amazing, though, that women in these shows and movies like Twilight, they fall in love with vampires.
Like, what?
Psychologically.
What's going on?
There he is.
See how old he was?
unidentified
Yeah.
This is old Dracula.
joe rogan
Let me hear his voice.
Look at his hair, too.
theo von
Vampires, baby.
unidentified
Happiness you bring.
Count Dracula...
I am Drahpul.
And I bid you welcome, Mr. Hargut.
theo von
Blood gays, they call them a lot of people.
joe rogan
Blood gays?
theo von
Vampires.
joe rogan
Look how they used to have to...
Oh, he fucked up.
He walked in.
theo von
Oh, you didn't see a shadow, though.
joe rogan
Exactly.
But it's also, you walked in.
You're not supposed to walk in.
When they invite you, or if you invite them in your house, you're fucked.
unidentified
You...
theo von
Yes.
unidentified
Oh.
It is...
theo von
Dude, is this a Hampton Inn in Memphis?
This shit looks insane, bro!
joe rogan
What was he mad about?
Back it up so he can hear what he's mad at him for.
unidentified
...against all enemies of Christ.
The relationship was not entirely successful.
Oh, yes.
It is no laughing matter.
We, Draculs, have a right to be proud.
What devil or witch was ever so great as Attila whose blood flows in these veins?
joe rogan
Okay.
theo von
Interesting.
joe rogan
Okay.
It didn't seem so good.
You know, when I saw it in the movies, it was pretty fucking good.
But right there in that clip, I feel like many times on this show, I've said, man, there's a scene, you've got to see the scene.
You watch the scene, you're like, that scene kind of sucks.
theo von
Yeah.
joe rogan
That happens more often than not, right?
Yeah.
jamie vernon
It's more than you would think it would be because it's at least 50-50 probably.
Like, oh, fuck, that's stupid.
joe rogan
Well, how old is that movie, too?
theo von
92. 92. Did you think it was going to be bad, James?
Whenever he said, let's watch this scene, did you think it was going to be a bad one or did you have any pre-thought on it?
jamie vernon
I don't remember that movie.
I don't think I've even seen that movie, so I have no idea.
theo von
Dude, I think women like vampires because, first of all, they offer that live forever.
So women want to live forever.
joe rogan
They want to be young forever.
theo von
They want to be immortalized in like a young space.
joe rogan
Yeah, and maybe the dude would do the dirty work and they'll just profit off of it.
theo von
Beauty sleep.
joe rogan
Yeah, you get that beauty sleep in a coffin, you fucking sleep sleep.
theo von
Nice castles.
joe rogan
And then you rise like this.
unidentified
Yeah.
joe rogan
Look at this, we're known to ride her.
unidentified
Dang, I'd ride her, dog.
joe rogan
No wonder why Johnny got that tattoo.
unidentified
Oh.
joe rogan
So this is like young Dracula.
See, he got the dark, dark hair.
theo von
But she weighs only...
Look, she must weigh 90 pounds.
This is the kind of stuff that's too much, man.
joe rogan
What?
You don't like small people?
theo von
That's too...
You can't be that light.
joe rogan
Well, I don't know how big...
Actually, I met Gary Oldman once.
I met him at a store.
I didn't meet him.
I saw him.
I was standing in his presence at a store.
theo von
It's Pete Davidson.
joe rogan
He's not a big guy.
theo von
Really?
joe rogan
No, he's not big.
Um, so yeah, she probably is really tiny.
theo von
Was there ever a movie- Look at him there.
Oh, look at that.
joe rogan
Let me hear his voice.
unidentified
He's crossed oceans of time to find her.
theo von
Wow, that's romantic.
joe rogan
He's thinking of biting her, but he doesn't want to bite her.
Look, he turns away.
I don't want to do this.
Oh, his eyes are red.
He doesn't want to turn her.
He turns into a werewolf in this movie, too.
Oh, the fangs are gonna come out.
theo von
Why does he want to turn her?
joe rogan
Because he just doesn't want to do it, but he's got to!
God damn it!
But he won't.
unidentified
Not yet.
I won't.
I won't.
theo von
Oh, the wolf left him.
joe rogan
He's got willpower.
theo von
That wolf just bit some thot outside, you heard it?
jamie vernon
It turns into a vampire.
unidentified
Can you see that?
jamie vernon
Sure!
joe rogan
Oh, wait a minute.
Back it up a little bit.
Back it up a little bit.
So they come in.
So he's hugging her.
He loves her.
He's so sad.
Oh, he's biting her.
Then they come in She's been bit I Damn.
theo von
Satan was the biggest enemy back then.
joe rogan
Yeah, the fucking crucifix didn't even work on him.
Look at that.
unidentified
That's Anthony Hopkins.
joe rogan
So he must have...
What has he got in that glass he's holding up?
Is that holy water?
unidentified
I forgot about this scene Look, that guy is holding up a fucking gin and tonic towards him.
joe rogan
Oh, he threw the water at him.
Holy water.
Keanu Reeves already has white hair.
He's been freaking out.
jamie vernon
It's the same defense for an exorcism, it seems like, right?
joe rogan
Holy water?
jamie vernon
I mean, just get a couple grease and yell at it.
joe rogan
Look at that.
She was mad that he's shooting.
I would have to get her...
just cut her out of my life.
Oh, we turned into a bunch of rats.
unidentified
Gang, gang.
joe rogan
No one's even stomping the rats.
She's got blood pouring out of her mouth.
theo von
I wonder if there was a lot of, uh, I wonder if back then there was, if, um, if, like, people were more sexually active back then, you think?
joe rogan
Um...
theo von
In the past?
joe rogan
Well, they probably fucked a lot more because they didn't live very long.
theo von
Mm-hmm.
joe rogan
Right?
They probably just fucked whenever they could.
theo von
What a pickup line.
joe rogan
We're not gonna make it.
unidentified
Yeah.
joe rogan
Let's just have a couple glasses of wine.
theo von
Yeah, like, hey, babe, the median age around here is 27. We gotta fucking hammer it down.
joe rogan
But a lot of that was because people died young.
It was a lot of infant mortality.
That was a big issue.
When you look at the actual age that people died back then, some people lived to be a ripe old age, but it was pretty rare.
theo von
And a lot of infants, I guess a lot of infants just weren't that powerful, or what was the deal with it?
joe rogan
But they didn't have medicine.
So if they got sick, they died.
You know, or if, you know, a lot of women died during childbirth because there was complications.
You know, now they save so many more people.
theo von
Do you think we're supposed to be living as long as we are, or do you think, like, Mother Nature's like, oh, fuck, these people are hanging out too long?
joe rogan
I don't think there's no supposed to.
I think if biologically we're supposed to live to be roughly a hundred years, if everything goes great, if everything goes perfectly, you'll live to be about a hundred years.
But I think that with modern science and our understanding of genes and hormones and, you know, telomeres and all the different anti-aging technologies they're working on right now, we're probably right now talking to people that are going to live to be 150 years old.
unidentified
Damn.
joe rogan
Yeah, I think, like, you're seeing people today, like, if you meet a guy and he's 30 years old today, that guy's probably gonna live to be 150. That's crazy!
Well, people live to be 120. That's a rare thing, but there's been some women that have made it to, like, 120. A lot of Chinese and Japanese people, too, as well.
theo von
I think because their body's smaller and it doesn't have to, like, the blood doesn't have to go as far.
joe rogan
That is true, believe it or not.
Basketball players die young, for the most part.
But some of them, like Kareem Abdul-Jabbar is still up and kicking, and he's up there.
Bill Russell is as well?
theo von
Yeah, but they die.
It's weird, because I'll get so jealous of a basketball player, but then I don't get that jealous when I remember that stat.
joe rogan
They live fast, die hard.
Wow, he's 88. That's amazing.
theo von
Louisiana, too.
That's awesome.
joe rogan
And he's 6'10".
So that throws that into the monkey wrench, into those gears.
Because that was always the theory, that the really tall guys, they would have heart attacks.
But if you think about the ideas that your heart has to pump, If you're a six foot eight person, your heart has to pump through all that limbs and all the way down to your feet and all the way back up and it's just more complicated.
That's why they don't let really tall people like that be fighter pilots.
theo von
Because what could happen if they have a hard, like a...
joe rogan
The G-Force.
With the G-Force, you want to be more compact to be able to fight off the G-Force.
theo von
Oh, dang.
joe rogan
Because as the blood, like, pushes out, like, the G-Forces literally force the blood out and make you black out.
So to stop the G-Forces from making you black out, you've got to do a thing called hooking.
Where the fighter pilots, I flew with the Blue Angels once, and they hold on to this yoke, the steering thing.
And while they're holding on to it, they're going like this.
And they're doing that when they hit high Gs.
And what they're doing is they're forcing blood into their head.
theo von
Dang.
joe rogan
Yeah.
They're making that sound.
It's wild.
And I guess the taller you get and the longer your limbs are, the more difficult that is to do.
theo von
Damn.
It's interesting how certain people are really built for certain things, you know?
joe rogan
Sure.
theo von
That's really, really interesting.
joe rogan
Some people are built to be jockeys.
theo von
Yeah.
I met a nice jockey one time.
I think Mario is his name.
joe rogan
Yeah?
theo von
Yeah.
Gutierrez, I think, is his last name.
And he's...
And yeah, when you see those guys, they don't even like to eat a lot of special meals or anything.
They like to keep it real.
joe rogan
They have to keep it real light.
theo von
Yeah.
joe rogan
Because if you're like five pounds overweight, that's five more pounds that horse has to ride.
theo von
Yeah.
joe rogan
You gotta be light to be a jockey.
I met a dude who was a jockey.
He used to come to the Comedy Store.
He was real small.
And, you know, he would diet and cut weight for races.
Like, they'd try to get as light as possible for a race.
Which makes sense.
theo von
Do you miss it?
Do you miss the Comedy Store?
joe rogan
Yeah, sure.
Yeah.
I miss the camaraderie.
I miss the fun hangs.
Like, we used to hang out in the back bar and hang out in the green room.
And hang out in the parking lot.
That's the fun I miss out of the comic store.
But we have that in Austin.
You know, the Austin hang is amazing.
It's amazing here.
You know?
theo von
Yeah, I was talking to Adam Iggy yesterday.
He said you guys were hanging out.
joe rogan
I gotta show you the club.
theo von
Oh, yeah, huh?
joe rogan
We can't talk too much about it, but I'll show you some shit later.
theo von
Yeah, I'm excited.
That's cool, man.
joe rogan
Yeah, it's gonna be wild.
How many days are you in town for?
theo von
I think until Thursday or Friday.
joe rogan
Okay.
theo von
I can stay either one.
So I know I'm going to do, yeah, I think we're going to do a show Wednesday.
joe rogan
Yeah, we can do it tomorrow too if you want.
theo von
Okay.
Yeah, I'm around.
joe rogan
Okay.
Well, tomorrow, during the day, I'll take you to the club.
theo von
Oh, yeah.
joe rogan
Because it's in mid-construction right now.
It's wild.
theo von
Are you nervous about it?
joe rogan
No.
I'm excited.
theo von
That's cool.
joe rogan
I'm real excited.
theo von
Yeah.
joe rogan
It's fun.
But just like the way it is right now, if nothing changed, if we didn't have another club, if what we had now was all we have forever, it's great.
unidentified
It's still good.
joe rogan
The Vulcan is amazing.
Can I get that lighter?
unidentified
Yeah, for sure.
joe rogan
The Vulcan's amazing, man.
We're having so much fun.
We did a show last night.
Sold-out show last night.
We do them all the time.
theo von
Yeah, I thought about coming through, but instead I decided to get some sleep.
I went to a trainer this morning.
Dude, I've been feeling a lot better since I started going to a trainer.
joe rogan
Is this trainer with the purse?
Is this a new one that you just tried?
theo von
This was one that I tried in this area.
joe rogan
Yeah.
How did you get hooked up with them?
theo von
Just on the internet.
joe rogan
Craigslist?
unidentified
No.
theo von
I got an assistant lady that helps me out.
She set it up.
unidentified
Okay.
joe rogan
You got an assistant, huh?
theo von
Just for some, like, just scheduling stuff.
Makes things easier.
I decided to take more pressure off myself.
Yeah, I'm going to use this match, though.
I don't like that.
joe rogan
You don't like the lighter?
theo von
It's too much.
joe rogan
Too much.
Just too hardcore.
unidentified
Yeah.
theo von
Yeah, I don't have like an assistant.
Like, I don't have like somebody who's like a...
joe rogan
Waiting on your hand and foot.
theo von
Yeah, I don't have like a maid or anything.
I just have somebody that helps schedule stuff and put it into the calendar, you know?
So, some stuff like that makes it easier on me.
joe rogan
Sure.
theo von
So yeah, I've been just scaling back a little bit more.
joe rogan
Yeah?
theo von
Taking it easy.
I got a trainer.
And man, I've been feeling so much better.
joe rogan
You look good.
theo von
Thanks, man.
joe rogan
Yeah, you look healthy.
theo von
I feel so much better even the last time I was here.
joe rogan
Really?
theo von
Oh, man.
joe rogan
What's the difference?
theo von
For one, it's the training.
joe rogan
Yeah?
unidentified
Yeah.
joe rogan
Oh, that's nice.
theo von
I mean, it's like, because for 20 years I was like a meathead, you know?
I was like, you know, I used to do the steroids and everything, dude.
You know, we used to, you know, we used to, you know, I used to be into it.
You know what I'm saying?
joe rogan
Right.
theo von
Fucking, you know.
Yeah.
joe rogan
Let me hear a grr.
unidentified
Grr!
joe rogan
That's real.
theo von
I'll sweat on your fucking children.
unidentified
Whoa.
theo von
You know what I'm saying?
Like, that's who I was, bro.
unidentified
You know what I'm saying, dude?
theo von
I'll fucking eat one of my own hands, dude.
You know what I'm saying?
Like, that's who I was, bro.
joe rogan
You were crazy.
theo von
Oh, yeah.
I was just...
You know, I liked it.
And so I think it just kept me more in my body and more stuff like that.
And so then whenever work got busy, I didn't...
That was one of the first things to really kind of go.
I didn't realize it was going, but it was just...
I was just too, it was, things were too hectic.
joe rogan
Too caught up with the career.
unidentified
Yeah.
joe rogan
Yeah.
Well, that's a thing about, you know, career stuff.
And that's also a thing about Hollywood.
Do you like living in Nashville?
theo von
Yeah, I like it.
unidentified
Are you enjoying it?
theo von
Right now I'm training with a guy named Jeremy and Curtis.
joe rogan
Don't you hold onto that lighter.
unidentified
Okay.
joe rogan
Because it's going to burn your fingers.
I'm watching.
I'm like, how long before he says yikes?
It's tough when you get like a little lighter and you got to do a cigar because right now you're right at the nail.
Ooh, good timing.
theo von
Praise the Lord, bro.
joe rogan
You nailed it.
theo von
I burned my sister once when we were doing fireworks and there's nothing like that that's ever going to happen to our family again.
joe rogan
Yeah?
You're done, huh?
Done with getting burned?
unidentified
Done with people at my family getting burned.
theo von
But, uh, so that's been really helping, man.
I go in there, and there's, like, pro athletes in there and stuff that train, and so it's like, and there's, like, kids in there in this place that train, so there's, like, this all, it's just, like, a lot of good energy.
Where'd you go?
I go to this place called Lipscomb Academy in the morning.
joe rogan
Okay.
theo von
And so there's just like a lot of fun energy in there.
And yeah, man, it just started to, it started to change.
And then I even been doing a ice bath.
It's not as low as yours.
But I've just been doing like, I've just taken more time to take care of myself.
joe rogan
That's great.
theo von
You know, I got so busy.
I just got, I got scared that my work was, you know, I don't know, a lot of things happened.
I got kind of scared, you know.
joe rogan
That happens to people when things start going well.
You start thinking, oh my god, what if it stops going well?
What if it all falls apart?
That can be a real mindfuck.
theo von
It fucked me.
joe rogan
It can be a real mindfuck.
theo von
It was a real...
I mean, it was a raper.
joe rogan
What caused it?
Was it like...
Were you worried about ticket sales?
Were you worried about coming up with new material?
Were you worried about TV stuff?
What were you worried about?
theo von
Let me think.
So, I think...
I thought that whenever I achieved some success, and we might have talked about this a little bit, that I was gonna, everything was gonna feel, any uncomfortable feelings I had, I thought all that would be, everything would be great.
I thought like once I achieved some success Then it would solve everything else and it didn't really solve anything I just was kind of successful and now I had a lot of responsibilities and you still have the same problems in your mind, right?
joe rogan
Yeah, that's the thing is like people think that and that shook me success is gonna make you happy It can actually make you less happy because you get stressed out about it.
theo von
That's what happened.
joe rogan
And there's a lot of pressure.
theo von
Yeah.
joe rogan
Especially our kind of success, showbiz success, because you're dealing with public criticism, you're dealing with the performance anxiety, you're dealing with the fact that you have to schedule all these shows and go to places and the logistics and the travel wears you out and you're jet-lagged and you've got to wake up for the show.
Yeah.
There's a lot going on.
theo von
Yeah, a lot of responsibility.
And it changes from when you were kind of doing comedy and everything was just kind of you go for a week to do some shows and then things get a lot busier, you know?
So that definitely happened for me.
And then I got caught in this weird circle of like kind of self-pity in a way.
I didn't realize it.
Because I was not feeling good.
And I was like, something's wrong, so let me try to fix it, right?
So I tried, like, all different things, like, you know, I tried ketamine, ayahuasca, different therapies, different, you know, seeing therapists twice, just things like, but I was constantly like, let me try to fix this, right?
And it became almost like I was focusing on myself so much that I got caught in this little circle of like, It was just me, you know?
And my work is me, too.
You're looking at clips yourself.
There's things of you going out.
You have to go perform.
So it was just too much me, kind of, you know?
unidentified
Right.
joe rogan
You weren't being a normal person.
theo von
Right.
joe rogan
Just living life.
You're just focusing on you all the time.
theo von
Right.
And I didn't really mean to.
It just, like...
I don't know.
It's just kind of what it became.
So once I started to kind of break that up a little bit, yeah, things have just got started to get better.
joe rogan
What made you decide to go to Tennessee?
Why did Nashville call you?
theo von
You know, I don't know.
I think I always wanted to live there, you know?
They had lower taxes, you know, and I started making money, and so I got...
I never...
You know, I remember when I was young, the government, we tried to get the government.
Somebody kept throwing dead animals in our ditch, right?
joe rogan
What?
theo von
Yeah.
What kind of animals?
Carcasses.
joe rogan
What kind?
Which type of animals?
theo von
Oh, I couldn't tell you, man.
At this point, I think some of them probably...
unidentified
Nothing...
theo von
Nothing you'd shoot, I don't think.
You know?
I mean, unless it was like...
joe rogan
Possums and shit?
Like, what was it?
theo von
I mean, one of them could have been a fucking Samoan raccoon is about the biggest sizes we're gonna get.
You know, it was like...
joe rogan
Hefty raccoon.
theo von
Yeah, hefty raccoons, dogs, things like that.
I think it was somebody who had like on a, you know, a...
Mild veterinary type of thing going on, and they would, on the way home, they would dump the animals.
And they dumped them in our neighborhood.
joe rogan
A mild veterinary thing.
theo von
You know.
joe rogan
Serial killer.
theo von
Like an in-between type of deal.
You know, some guy who's not sanctioned, but he's fucking, you know.
joe rogan
Not quite committed to, like, migrant workers, killing migrant workers yet.
He's just working his way up to human beings.
theo von
Yeah, I mean, however you want to look at it, man.
But I think this...
But they kept throwing anyway, so we called the government and be like, come get these fucking bones out of here.
Because, you know, there'd be kids out there fucking playing with them.
You know, you got kids out there beating each other with damn tibias and fucking humming caustices at each other and stuff.
And, you know, because it's in the ditch.
unidentified
Right.
theo von
And so, anyway, I was never a big fan of government after that, right?
joe rogan
What the fuck did the government ever do with that?
With the ditch?
theo von
Would you ask me about that?
unidentified
I'm not even joking, man.
What were you asking me about?
joe rogan
We're talking about animals.
You're saying animals got left in the ditch, and then you said I wasn't a big fan of the government after that.
I'm like, how did the government...
Because they didn't clean up the animals in the ditch?
Is that what it is?
theo von
Yeah.
joe rogan
Okay.
theo von
And if we'd have been and lived in a fancy neighborhood, they would have come and got it.
joe rogan
Right.
They would have taken care of it.
theo von
Yeah.
But this ties back into what we were just talking about, which was...
Do you remember what that was?
joe rogan
Why you moved to Nashville?
theo von
Yeah.
joe rogan
Yeah.
theo von
So I would never want...
joe rogan
Were you going to help us out there?
unidentified
Yeah, I was like, Texas, Nashville?
Yeah.
theo von
So anyway, I've never had a strong affinity for a lot of government.
So anyway, I think that was in me since I was a child.
So when I started making money, I was like, I don't want to give all my money to the government.
joe rogan
Right.
But the environment of California before the pandemic was very beneficial to us because we're all collected together.
As comedians, that's very beneficial to have an environment where there's a bunch of other very good comedians around you.
It's like that OR, watching people go up and crush in the OR. How good is that for your act?
theo von
Oh, it was the best.
That's one thing that I definitely miss.
But Tennessee, it's been good.
It's a great place for the pandemic.
It's been good to tour out of there because you can just take a bus right out and go.
joe rogan
You're in the middle of the country.
Yeah, it's nice.
theo von
So that's really been ideal.
Yeah, and I don't know.
I've thought about maybe making another move sometime, but I just don't know yet.
joe rogan
Where would you go?
theo von
I don't know.
I'd have to go to a place where there's a little more stage time.
That's the toughest part.
joe rogan
Right here, baby.
theo von
I know you're trying to get me over here.
joe rogan
I'd love to have you over here.
I'm going to fucking wine you and dine you this week.
I'm going to romance you.
Take you to the club.
Once you see the club, you're going to fucking shit.
It's wild.
theo von
I bite.
joe rogan
It's wild.
It'll be open probably somewhere, well, I don't want to say when, but off here I'll tell you.
theo von
So that's the toughest part, I think, is...
joe rogan
Stage time.
unidentified
Yeah.
joe rogan
But you go into Zaney's a lot, which is a great place, right?
theo von
Yeah, but the most, yeah, you can go there on Monday, but it's still an operating regular club.
So do they have shows like Tuesday Wednesday night like regular shows they it's they kind of book Certain like nights at night.
You could do your own night every week, but it's still not the same as just those reps You know right like comedy store reps and I really learn on reps.
That's where I learn.
joe rogan
I learn on reps Yeah the one when I was really enjoying LA is like when I would do a show at the improv and then I would scoot over to the show the store and then I'd do maybe two shows at the store and You know, you do a spot in the OR and then you do a spot in the main room.
unidentified
Yeah.
joe rogan
Boy, you do three or four of those in a week, you get loose.
theo von
Oh, dude.
joe rogan
Oh, you get loose.
You get loose.
You know that feeling when the gears are greased?
theo von
Yeah.
I used to feel like a fucking killer, dog.
You're a killer, bro.
I used to feel like Chris Kyle up there, dog.
joe rogan
I remember when you really started to crack.
I really remember that, man.
Because I made a point of pulling you aside and telling you.
Like, man, whatever you're doing, keep doing it.
Because I remember there was one time where I think it was me and Fahim were sitting in the back watching you just crying, laughing.
Just crying, laughing.
You just, like, caught some stride.
It's funny when you see someone and they're funny.
It's good.
Like, hey, man, that was a good set.
And then you see them one day and it just snaps.
They just hit that next level.
And you're like, ooh.
And we were all talking about you, too.
We were like, damn, you've been seeing Theo.
Theo's on his next level.
theo von
Thanks, man.
unidentified
That's cool.
joe rogan
You had hit some groove where everything you said was funny.
You just figured your style out.
You were doing so many reps.
You were doing so many...
Headliner gigs on the road and you'd be in the store on Tuesdays and Wednesdays and getting those reps in and you were just loose, son.
You were loose.
theo von
That was fun, man.
And especially you and Fahim.
That's two totally different types of guys back there, you know?
But two, you know, comedians that I really respect.
That's a nice compliment.
joe rogan
Fahim's great.
I love Fahim.
theo von
God, he's so good.
joe rogan
He was just here a couple weeks ago.
theo von
Yeah.
joe rogan
He's fucking great.
He's got a special out right now, folks.
It's called Hat Trick.
And I think he put it on YouTube, right?
unidentified
Yeah.
joe rogan
It's very funny.
He's very funny.
theo von
He did.
joe rogan
But he did a really unique thing that no one's ever done before.
He did three 20-minute sets, or three 15-minute sets, at the Comedy Store.
So he did one set in the OR, one set in the belly room, one set in the main room.
And he put them all together on one special.
Three totally different 15-minute sets.
theo von
Oh, that's good.
joe rogan
It's a great idea, right?
unidentified
Oh.
joe rogan
For a special?
theo von
Yeah, it's a great idea.
joe rogan
Perfect idea for a special.
Because nobody had ever done that before at the store.
And he was like, I can't believe no one's ever done this.
theo von
Oh, he's so talented, man.
Yeah, there's a unique creativity that comes out of him.
joe rogan
Well, he was an engineer, you know?
unidentified
Yeah.
joe rogan
So he was a very smart guy.
And, you know, very well-educated and just decided he really loved comedy.
Like, that's what he really wanted to do.
His story, the first time he was on the podcast, he talked about his story about his parents did not want him to do comedy.
So they had to hide the fact that he was a comedian until he was, like, a legit pro and on TV. Oh, damn.
His parents did not want him pursuing that.
theo von
I could see that.
I think a lot of people are real traditional, you know?
They get scared if their kid's trying to do circus, you know?
I remember when I was growing up, we had a kid in our neighborhood, this kid, Brad, who ended up actually killing his grandmother, I think.
Oh, no.
joe rogan
Why'd he kill his grandmother?
theo von
I don't know, man.
It fucking broke my heart.
joe rogan
Did she doubt his circus skills?
theo von
I don't know who did, man, but it just, you know.
joe rogan
So what was his thing that he was trying to do?
theo von
He was trying to do like the taming or whatever, you know?
joe rogan
Like lion taming?
theo von
Yeah, but I only saw him ever do it with like a Doberman.
What's that black and red?
joe rogan
Rottweiler?
theo von
Rottweiler.
joe rogan
Oh.
theo von
Rottweiler or Doberman.
I can't remember which one it was.
joe rogan
Have you seen that new show, The Old Man?
Is it Jeff Bridges' show?
unidentified
Uh-uh.
joe rogan
It's a fucking great show.
It's a great show.
It's really good.
It's about a guy who was...
CIA operative in Afghanistan and had to disappear and they come and find him again like 30 plus years later.
It's wild.
theo von
And what did he do?
They're finding him.
Why?
joe rogan
Well, he was a hitman.
theo von
Oh, they want him to help again?
joe rogan
He knows too much shit.
They're probably trying to come get him.
He was...
Well, I want to say he's a hitman.
He was an operative.
And he's got two Rottweilers.
He brings them everywhere, like trained Rottweilers.
theo von
Yeah.
joe rogan
And they help him out.
theo von
Yeah, this dude would get out on kind of like a little plank out there and be doing shit out there, you know?
And he really had a lot of violence in him.
And then, yeah, I don't know what happened with his grandmother, but she used to be our lunch lady also.
joe rogan
And he killed her?
theo von
I don't want to say he did, but...
joe rogan
Allegedly?
theo von
We know what happened.
No.
joe rogan
Why would you kill your grandma?
theo von
I wouldn't.
Actually...
joe rogan
Can you imagine the leap you have to take to kill your grandma?
Like, your grandma's like this sweet lady you come to visit every now and again, and she bakes cookies and shit.
My grandmother used to make Italian food.
Oh my god, it was off the charts.
unidentified
Really?
joe rogan
Off the charts, because it was all homemade.
She'd make...
I still to this day can taste her homemade pasta.
Because she would do everything on the kitchen table with the flour and she would make the noodles and everything.
She would make the tomato sauce with the tomatoes that my grandfather grew in the garden.
theo von
Come on, man.
That's romantic.
That's romantic.
joe rogan
It was insanity.
That food was so good, that food ruined me as a child.
unidentified
God.
joe rogan
Because I go other places, I'm like, why is your Italian food bullshit?
theo von
Yeah.
joe rogan
You know?
Because my grandmother made everything.
She made her own meatballs.
It was sensational.
theo von
Yeah, there's something, when somebody makes something, there's like an energy that goes into it.
It's different.
Even if it's shitty, you're still like, hey, this is, you know, they took some time to do it.
joe rogan
And my grandmother was proud of it, too.
When she would serve us, she would come out with this big smile on her face.
She knew everybody was going to feast.
She knew that Italian food was going to knock your fucking socks off.
It was so good.
theo von
And was she pretty harsh?
What kind of lady was she?
Pretty nice lady?
joe rogan
She was a harsh lady.
theo von
Really?
joe rogan
Yeah, she was harsh, except for when she was cooking and when she was visiting and stuff like that.
You know, she grew up in a depression.
theo von
Yeah, it was different then.
My grandmother used to put her hands on my shoulders until I'd get done eating.
Almost like it was like a...
I don't know why she did it.
joe rogan
Was she comforting you?
Not really.
Or was she like restraining you?
theo von
It was almost like, I'm going to set these on here.
It was like just making sure you ate.
joe rogan
Oh.
theo von
You know?
joe rogan
Isn't that weird that people have to make sure you eat?
Like, what do you give a fuck?
What do you give a fuck if I eat?
unidentified
Yeah, like what if they had a dude that came to your door three times a day?
joe rogan
Who made sure you ate.
theo von
Just to make sure.
joe rogan
Sit down, I'm going to put my hands on your shoulders.
He's behind you while you're chewing your food.
unidentified
I'll order the chick, bro.
I ain't having the dude come.
That dude shows up one time, bro, and it's hot dogs for dinner.
theo von
I'm not going to be able to fucking finish.
I'll have the lady come, bro.
That's who I want.
joe rogan
Well, you know, my grandmother's day, there wasn't a lot of food when she was a kid because everybody was going through the depression.
unidentified
Yeah.
joe rogan
So, like, you know, you had to finish your plate, man.
It's like that was sacred.
Food was sacred.
And then leftovers were sacred, too, you know?
theo von
You think you could have survived the Great Depression?
joe rogan
Yeah, I mean, you'd hope so.
People survived, but it's like, it wouldn't have been fun.
Hard to get a job.
You know, lines for food.
People would wait in line at soup kitchens and shit.
theo von
And people also breastfed their own kids.
joe rogan
They did?
theo von
Up until how old?
But even older adult children.
Even like in Grapes of Wrath.
Yeah, remember that book?
joe rogan
They breastfed their kids in Grapes of Wrath?
theo von
They breastfed the adults at the end.
joe rogan
Really?
theo von
People couldn't, they didn't have nothing.
Yeah, Joe, what do you think they're not gonna eat?
joe rogan
I read that book in high school.
I don't remember.
theo von
People gotta fucking eat, dude.
joe rogan
Yeah.
theo von
I wonder if you were to say somebody's deceased, right?
joe rogan
Right.
theo von
Deceased woman, recently deceased, half hour ago.
unidentified
Okay.
theo von
And they were pregnant, and you're starving.
Do you think you'd get over there and see if there's any milk in them?
No.
Just have some milk, dude.
Damn, bro.
joe rogan
If she's deceased, I'd eat her.
I wouldn't eat her milk.
If I'm starving?
Yeah, you'd have to take chunks of milk.
theo von
What if you're just thirsty, though?
joe rogan
There was some fucking article in the New York Times about cannibalism coming back.
And everybody's like, what the fuck is this?
theo von
Yeah.
It's poverty, man.
joe rogan
Well, it's not that much poverty yet.
I mean, in the United States, everyone's fat.
We don't have to resort to eating people just yet.
But I read that.
I was like, why are they writing this article?
theo von
In New Orleans, every couple years, they catch somebody that boiled someone's head or something.
unidentified
Really?
theo von
Oh, definitely, brother.
joe rogan
A taste for cannibalism.
A spate of recent stomach-churning books, TV shows, and films suggests we've never looked so delicious to one another.
Like, what is that?
Well, you know what it is?
It's something that gets you to click on it, and that's what we're doing because we're idiots.
theo von
But do you think also that there would come a time where people started to dislike each other so much that people started to eat each other?
joe rogan
Well, there have been many times in history where people have resorted to eating each other, specifically eating each other's enemies.
Like the Nez Perce, Native Americans, they did a lot of cannibalizing on their enemies.
unidentified
All right.
theo von
All right.
joe rogan
Yeah.
There's a lot of stories about people who survived and realized that they—and even the Comanches— Like, they would find other tribes that had eaten Comanches and they would torture and kill them because, like, they would find, like, a roast leg, a human leg over a fire.
jamie vernon
Their tweet's a little different than the headline.
joe rogan
Yeah, the tweet's...
Okay, the tweet is the original title of the story.
It says, Cannibalism has a time and place.
Some recent books, films, and shows suggest that time is now.
Can you stomach it?
Yeah, that was the original title that I read.
I think they changed it because so many people were like, Hey, you fucks.
theo von
If you see someone eating somebody else, you know, I wonder how weird it gets because I was on a train one time in China and this lady was eating a thing of bird talons right out of a bag, right?
joe rogan
Bird talons.
theo von
Bird...
unidentified
Feet.
joe rogan
Claws.
theo von
Chicken feet.
Yeah, chicken feet.
joe rogan
That's funny that you said that, because my wife just went to an Asian market in Austin, and she came back with chicken feet that had been cooked, and she's like, we're going to try these.
I'm like, all right, I'll give it a shot.
theo von
Damn, your wife's brave.
joe rogan
She's brave.
When I was a kid, my father, my biological father, used to eat pig's feet.
Pickled pig's feet was a thing.
You ever eat pig's feet?
theo von
We had them on a field trip once when I was in middle school.
We all went over there and got a pickled pig's foot from the IGA. They're not bad.
joe rogan
It's a weird taste.
It's like gelatinous and kind of chewy.
I remember as a kid, pickled pig's feet was...
But that's also probably a sign of people making the most of everything.
When you stop eating pig's feet and you only eat pork loin, you got it pretty good.
You don't have to eat the feet anymore.
theo von
Yeah, I think, well, a lot of cultures, I think they get starving and then they say they eat whatever, you know?
It's like, one time I was in, um, I was in Shanghai, I think, or no, I was in, I think Shanghai, right?
And I bought this, they had like a place, like a market where they had all the different, um, animals and they were for cooking, right?
Like a outdoor market or something.
joe rogan
There's a wet market.
theo von
Wet market, right?
So I bought a bird, right?
And I was like, I'm going to free this bird, right?
I'm just going to change the game up here a little bit.
Because it was a living bird.
unidentified
Right.
theo von
It was like a white bird.
Not a pigeon.
Like a little fluffier than a pigeon.
Like a bichon.
Almost like a bichon of like a pigeon.
unidentified
Okay.
theo von
So I buy it.
It was like a one dollar.
joe rogan
A dollar?
theo von
I walk outside with it.
This was in Vietnam.
I walk outside with it, and I literally go like this to free it.
Some guy, no joke, was sitting on this little ledge nearby, jumped up, grabbed the fucking bird, broke its neck, and walked off with it.
unidentified
Really?
theo von
Right in front of me.
They must have thought what I was doing was insane.
joe rogan
Well, if you're starving, that's free food.
theo von
Yeah.
joe rogan
And birds?
Birds are some of the meanest fucking animals.
Have you seen that video that's going around?
unidentified
No.
joe rogan
The bird that's eating an antelope alive?
unidentified
Have you seen that?
theo von
You think they're mean?
joe rogan
Oh, they're vicious.
They're so fucking horrible.
theo von
Why do you think?
Because they can't be on the ground as much as other animals easily?
joe rogan
I just think they're reptiles.
They're flying reptiles.
theo von
Are they more reptile?
joe rogan
Yeah, I mean what a bird is is a dinosaur.
They're flying dinosaurs.
Yeah, look at this.
This eagle is riding this antelope's back and just it's got its claws dug into its back so you see all the blood pouring off the back and it's just digging into its body because those claws, the talons that an eagle has are so powerful.
So it's just riding this thing and then eating out of its rib cage while it's just slowly dying.
And that antelope can't do a goddamn thing to get away.
theo von
It's like one of those moving buffets that you're at.
You ever been at one of those?
Where the food moves by as you're eating it?
joe rogan
I got another video.
I'll send you this, Jamie.
There's a hawk that's eating a crow.
It holds the crow down.
And the crazy thing is it's not much smaller than the crow.
Or not much larger rather than the crow.
Which is wild.
Because it's just chewing this fucking thing apart.
theo von
Oh, I saw a bear climb into a tree yesterday.
I put it on my IG story and it was a bear.
You saw that?
joe rogan
No, no, that's not it.
I'm gonna send it to you.
Oh, I saved it.
Here, hold on a second.
I actually have the whole video.
jamie vernon
Theo Bear?
theo von
Bear climbed up a tree and took a hawk out of its nest.
jamie vernon
Uh, I think I did see that.
theo von
And ate it.
joe rogan
Oh, yeah.
jamie vernon
In front of people, right?
People, like, were watching it happen.
theo von
Some white guy was, you could hear him yelling.
joe rogan
I sent it to you, Jamie.
I sent you the video.
This video's rough.
And this is an urban environment.
This hawk just grabbed his crow and pinned him down and just started fucking him up in front of everybody.
theo von
Like at a mall or something?
joe rogan
It's like you eating a 140-pound man.
There's not enough difference in size where it makes sense.
It's so similar that it's like, Jesus Christ.
jamie vernon
I didn't get it.
joe rogan
You didn't get it?
unidentified
Did you text it?
joe rogan
Yeah, I texted it.
theo von
Was cannibalism ever popular?
Was it ever the way to do dinner or whatever?
Was it ever part of...
Like society?
Or not society, because I guess it would be before society, but was it ever a popular thing?
joe rogan
Yeah, it was popular.
theo von
Fuck, it's crazy.
joe rogan
Papua New Guinea had one, this is it, look at this.
So look at the size of the crow.
It's basically similar size, man, right?
theo von
Oh, he's got him.
joe rogan
He's got him, but look, not much difference in size.
theo von
He's in mount, huh?
joe rogan
He's mounting him.
Yeah, he's fucked.
But look at this poor crow.
And if you hear it, give me some volume.
Turn it from the beginning, because in the beginning you hear the...
unidentified
What?
joe rogan
That's the crow saying, fuck!
unidentified
He's holding his mouth shut.
joe rogan
No, he's holding his neck.
theo von
Animals should be able to say fuck at least once, huh?
joe rogan
You should.
Right before they die.
unidentified
Yeah.
Fuck!
joe rogan
I mean, that's basically what he's saying.
But look, see the blood coming out of his neck?
See, it's leaking out onto the ground?
unidentified
Damn.
joe rogan
Because of the talons.
The hawk's eyes are what haunt me.
unidentified
Look at those eyes.
Those eyes don't give a fuck about anybody or anything.
joe rogan
Those are some horrific eyeballs.
theo von
Yeah.
joe rogan
That crow's like, fuck this.
theo von
He's trying to eat his eyes.
joe rogan
Yeah, yeah, yeah.
They'll eat his eyes first.
unidentified
Oh.
theo von
Oh, come on, man.
joe rogan
Yeah, look.
He's doing claws right into the eyes.
But see, they're not...
unidentified
The thing that's crazy is that it doesn't seem like a thing that he would eat.
joe rogan
Because it's basically the size of him.
unidentified
Yeah.
theo von
And why do you think they're angry at each other?
joe rogan
It's just one's a predator, and the other one's just a very clever sort of opportunist.
unidentified
Yeah.
joe rogan
Like, crows will fuck things up, too, but they just don't have the weaponry.
theo von
Yeah, they do it more in groups, and they seem kind of like...
They're just smart.
They seem very smart.
Yeah.
And who else?
joe rogan
Oh, he's getting his eyes with the fucking towels.
theo von
Oh, look at this, huh?
joe rogan
It's probably a hat, a watermark for some website or something.
theo von
It's just so interesting how, like, people have evolved and how some places they're still, like, it's, oh, it's part of the, it's okay to eat somebody else.
Dude, if you saw somebody eat someone, that would have to change everything you know in your brain about what's okay.
joe rogan
Well, if you're starving to death, man, I guarantee you people, well, that was one of the things during Stalin's Russia, when people were starving, a lot of people ate their own children.
I mean, it got rough.
theo von
Raccoons eat their own, you know, sometimes the man raccoon will come in, eat the woman's children, so that she'll have to go into heat again so that they can have sex.
joe rogan
Bears do that.
Bears do that.
A lot of animals do that.
They force the animal into estrus.
theo von
Well, I told you too about that time.
Remember that I was at that Best Buy and I'd been on that fast for five days and I almost fucking wanted to eat that Vietnamese guy.
And I'd never thought about that before.
joe rogan
Why'd you go on a fast for five days?
theo von
I was going to go longer, but I couldn't do it.
joe rogan
Wow.
So this is like a cleansing type fast?
unidentified
Yeah.
joe rogan
I've done 24 hours.
That's the most I've ever done.
theo von
Really?
joe rogan
Yeah.
theo von
They say that it can help cure cancers and stuff like that.
joe rogan
It makes sense.
There's science to that, that your body, I forget what the type of cells that your body consumes, but when you are fasting during that period, your body will consume bad cells.
That's one of the first things it does.
theo von
Oh, it gets rid of them?
joe rogan
Yeah, it gets rid of things that are problems in your body.
That's why they say it's a benefit.
But it's not a benefit to do it a lot, you know, it's just a benefit to do it on a, you know, like a fairly, you know, stretched out basis.
Like people do it like once or twice a year without going like a three or four day fast.
But you went on five, huh?
theo von
Yeah, I wish I could do longer because, yeah, your senses start to get real, you know, you start to think you have like kind of like...
ESP? A little bit.
joe rogan
You know, hunters think that, that you should hunt hungry.
Like a lot of guys like to hunt hungry.
theo von
I could see that.
joe rogan
Yeah, when they go out and hunt, they like to have no breakfast in them.
theo von
Oh, I can see that for sure.
joe rogan
Yeah, it's a different sort of mindset.
theo von
Yeah, there's something about that primal side of stuff, you know?
Getting real primal and getting back to your roots.
I remember I'd wake up in the morning if I'm fast, and I'd wake up in the morning just ready to go.
joe rogan
Yeah?
theo von
Yeah, you're just like...
joe rogan
How come you only did it once?
theo von
I probably got busy doing other stuff.
unidentified
Maybe it was that feeling of eating that guy that fucked with you.
theo von
It could have been.
It could have fucked with my subconscious.
But it's crazy to think that you'd never thought about something and it comes into your head.
It just shows you how quickly you could devolve, you know?
joe rogan
And you take it very seriously.
theo von
I took it...
I took it seriously.
I didn't tell him.
It's not something you want to tell somebody if they're on afternoon shift.
I mean, I think, yeah, I didn't tell him.
joe rogan
Maybe you should tell him after you eat.
Go to Arby's real quick.
theo von
Bye-bye.
Hey, bud, I was here earlier.
joe rogan
Maybe I looked at you weird.
I want to apologize for that.
theo von
Just want to let you know.
joe rogan
I was on a five-day fast, and you were looking like a snack.
unidentified
I wonder what he would think.
joe rogan
He'd be like, fuck this job.
I gotta quit.
This whole neighborhood, this town sucks.
I gotta get out of here.
theo von
Yeah, I wonder if shit's gonna start getting weird.
I think some people want stuff to start getting weird.
joe rogan
I think we are designed to...
Do you want another one of those?
theo von
Yeah.
joe rogan
Those coffees?
theo von
Yeah.
joe rogan
Yeah?
We get a couple of those.
Do you want the chocolate kind or the vanilla kind?
Is that vanilla?
What is that?
theo von
I've had the vanilla.
Let me try vanilla again.
Because I didn't taste it that much.
joe rogan
Get them one vanilla and two chocolates.
theo von
Yeah, thanks, man.
joe rogan
Because I like the chocolate ones.
Those are those Black Rifle Coffee 300 mg of caffeine jammies.
theo von
I cut mine in half with water.
joe rogan
Do you?
Yeah.
A little bit of this, a little bit of that.
theo von
Yeah, that's how I did it, man.
joe rogan
Lighten it up like a gin and tonic, that kind of deal.
theo von
Yeah.
joe rogan
Yeah, scotch and soda, right?
theo von
Yeah, I like to cut it down.
I'm real sensitive to stuff.
joe rogan
Yeah?
theo von
Yeah, things get me.
joe rogan
What, that smelling salt?
theo von
Yeah.
joe rogan
Wanna hit another?
theo von
Fuck yeah, I'll hit that bitch, son.
joe rogan
Okay, when Jamie comes back, right before we have the...
unidentified
Shout out to Juju Mufu.
joe rogan
Is that how you say his name?
theo von
Yeah, Juju Mufu.
joe rogan
Juju Mufu.
Juju Mufu's stuff is ridiculous.
theo von
I'm gonna have to call my sponsor after this.
joe rogan
The chocolate ones are good, man.
I know you're committed to that vanilla, but these chocolate ones...
theo von
Alright, I'll try it.
I'm trying new stuff these days.
joe rogan
Chocolates are the bomb diggity.
This is my favorite.
It's, um...
It's espresso.
Okay, there's the juju mufu, the ah.
theo von
Ooh, this is good, huh?
Fuck ya, dude.
joe rogan
This is good, right?
theo von
Dude, um, I went and did an ayahuasca, man.
I don't know if I told you about that.
joe rogan
When did you do it?
theo von
I did it a couple months ago.
joe rogan
Yeah?
theo von
Yeah, had you ever done it fully?
joe rogan
No, I've never done ayahuasca.
I've only done DMT, but I got a guy out here now.
theo von
Yeah?
joe rogan
Yeah, so if you want to do it, it's one more reason to move here.
theo von
Damn, you're trying to get me in, huh?
joe rogan
I'm trying to weasel you in.
theo von
Look, man, I definitely miss a lot of the camaraderie and stuff, you know?
joe rogan
The camaraderie is nice because it's like we had a thing at the Comedy Store that was very, very unusual for comedy.
theo von
And it was good.
joe rogan
It was really good.
And the times had changed to the point where comedians were beneficial to each other because of podcasts and, you know, we were all, like, helping each other as opposed to, like, competing for, like, Scraps, which is like during the 90s and the 2000s.
Everybody was trying to get a sitcom.
They were competing with each other.
It was like a lot of animosity.
But then in the late 2000s, like in the 2015s and 16s, everybody had already realized, like, no, no, no.
There's no struggle here.
We all help each other.
This is great.
And then we'd go and laugh and have fun.
It would just make you excited about what you did for a living.
You wanted to go there all the time and just...
The hang was some of the most fun part, like hanging out with Burr and smoking cigars and, you know, that back porch area.
Everybody would be chilling and smoking weed, laughing.
theo von
And Gay Jeff was out there.
Remember him, the pianist?
unidentified
Oh, yeah, man.
joe rogan
I miss Jeff.
theo von
Sorry, what's his last name?
I shouldn't call him Gay Jeff.
joe rogan
Probably a bad idea since he's gone.
theo von
But he loved to be gay.
joe rogan
He did.
theo von
Jeff Scott.
joe rogan
Yes.
theo von
And I'd say that yes.
I'm sorry.
He loved to be gay.
So...
joe rogan
Well, he loved to be himself.
theo von
Yes.
joe rogan
You know, and the fact that he was loved and accepted and no one gave a shit if he was gay.
theo von
Yeah.
joe rogan
He had HIV. I would split joints with him all the time.
We'd pass joints around.
I don't know if you remember, but during the 90s, I remember when I got my first AIDS test, I was like, shit, I'm fucking nervous.
I am nervous.
theo von
Yeah.
joe rogan
You know, because I was like, at the time, I think I was 23, and you think about all the days on the road where you're in a town and you meet a nice lady and you're in New Hampshire and no one has a condom and you're like, fuck it.
theo von
They don't even have condoms up there.
joe rogan
They do, but they're made out of sheepskin.
theo von
But the truck broke down and didn't get the condoms there that year.
It was different times, bro.
joe rogan
Couldn't make it up before the snow.
theo von
Condom trucks sidetracked.
Oh, yeah, man.
Dude, I remember getting a test just from even masturbating.
I remember I got tested.
joe rogan
I was so scared.
theo von
I was just worried that I'd gotten something in my hand or I'd done something, you know?
I just got so much fear, you know?
But I remember getting tested.
I remember talking to Jerry O'Connell one time.
Do you know who that is?
joe rogan
Yeah, the actor.
theo von
Yeah.
joe rogan
From Stand By Me?
unidentified
Mm-hmm.
joe rogan
Yeah.
theo von
Really awesome guy and he talked about living in New York City in his building during the AIDS epidemic and he said like half the people in his building died.
Like half of his neighbors died.
unidentified
Holy shit.
theo von
And he said it was just so wild when he was a kid like that these people he knew and they just started to disappear.
joe rogan
Didn't you interview Robert Kennedy Jr.?
theo von
Yeah.
joe rogan
Yeah.
theo von
His voice is getting better.
I just texted with him.
joe rogan
Oh, that's great.
unidentified
Yeah.
joe rogan
But his story about Anthony Fauci, that book, which talks about why those people were dying, because they were all on AZT. And AZT was that cancer medication.
theo von
Yeah, yeah.
joe rogan
It was a chemotherapy medication they stopped giving to people because it was killing them quicker than cancer was.
And they started giving it to people who had AIDS. And it was helping them.
No.
theo von
Oh, it wasn't?
joe rogan
Uh-uh.
It was killing them.
And they were giving it to people that had no symptoms.
So they just tested HIV positive.
They'd give them AZT and it was just killing them.
theo von
Really?
Because you used to hear AZT was what cured HIV. No.
joe rogan
No, no, no, no.
AZT they abandoned.
They abandoned because it was too harsh.
But Fauci pushed it during the early days of the AIDS pandemic.
The AIDS epidemic was rough, man.
I mean, obviously, no one knew exactly what was going on.
You can't fault people for trying different things out and trying different strategies out to contain the virus.
But according to Robert Kennedy Jr., there's a lot more to it than that.
theo von
Yeah, he's a really interesting guy.
I know him just even as friends.
He's got some fascinating stories, even from growing up.
They used to take these homing pigeons and they would give them to the train conductor and have them take them like 100 miles or something, him and his friend.
And whoever's got back first won.
So it was just like this cool game they would play.
joe rogan
Isn't that wild that a pigeon can use the magnetic field of the earth and they track it like a GPS system straight back to you?
theo von
And we have to pay a million dollars to build something like that.
And God did it in a fucking nut.
joe rogan
Well, they think that people had some kind of ability to like know where they were and know where they were going.
We just lost it.
Which makes sense to me because now that I have navigation, like even in Austin, I've been in Austin for two years.
I barely know how to get around.
I know how to get to work.
I know how to get to the clubs.
I know how to get to the restaurants that I like.
Other than that, I don't know where the fuck I'm going.
But when I lived in Massachusetts, back in the day when there was no navigation, I knew how to get everywhere.
I knew the 405, whatever the roads were.
I forget the roads.
theo von
But I don't think it's good for us having navigation because here's what I notice.
So I'll use navigation, right?
joe rogan
Right.
theo von
So now I know that my computer's telling me where to go.
So now my brain is free to just think about whatever.
And sometimes my brain will use that time to think about negative.
It gets ended up getting the negative stuff.
Whereas it used to be if my brain had a task.
And it was having to pay attention to where I was going, then I felt like it was better for my brain because it was busy.
joe rogan
That's interesting.
Your brain has to be busy with a task or it thinks negative.
theo von
I think, well, it's one of the things that I think these days it's like...
You know, like a long time ago, I think, I wasn't alive, but like a long time ago, I think that our senses have to be in the world.
Like, we had to be aware if there were lions, what the weather was going to be like, where our kids were at our hip, like...
joe rogan
You're in the moment.
theo von
You're in the moment.
You had to survive.
Like, you know, it was different.
And now, since most of our comforts are met in America...
I feel sometimes like those senses didn't disappear.
I feel like they just went inside of us.
unidentified
Right.
theo von
So now they're hunting like any uncomfort that comes up inside of us.
unidentified
Right.
theo von
So I think it's like why we have so much more mental health struggles because we're still like as alert as ever.
But the only fearful things are inside of us now for some reason for some people.
joe rogan
That makes sense.
You know, I was listening to some guy talk about anxiety the other day, and one of the things that he was talking about with anxiety, he said, it's basically people's desire and ability to problem solve for the future.
So you start thinking about what may or may not happen in the future, and you get anxiety.
In the past, you had to dwell on exactly what was in front of you right there and then.
Like, I'm hungry, my children are hungry, I gotta find an animal and kill it and figure out how to cook it.
theo von
Right.
joe rogan
And that was what people occupied their day with.
And then when all that's gone, you could just go to McDonald's and feed yourself for three bucks and you're sitting there fat and full, and then you're just thinking.
You start thinking about weird shit.
theo von
Yeah, because whatever your natural instincts, they don't have any...
They're like, what the fuck do I do?
I need to still hunt something.
I need to still kill something.
So they start hunting you.
joe rogan
Ooh, they start hunting your fears.
You start creating problems.
theo von
I'm sure.
joe rogan
Yeah, I think so.
Well, that's why I'm a big advocate of working out really hard.
theo von
Oh, dude, bro, it is.
I can't even tell you.
I don't know how I forgot it.
I mean, I was a fucking dude.
We used to, you know, good, dude.
We used to fucking go, you know, I remember driving to the Taco Bell and fucking doing steroids in the car, bro.
We used to fucking...
You know what I'm saying, bro?
joe rogan
Taco Bell parking lot?
theo von
Dog, I'd do 50 MLs just to fucking put down a fucking Mexican pizza.
joe rogan
Wow, he was ready to get jacked.
How big were you at one point in time?
Do you have any photos?
theo von
Yeah, I think there's some old images out there.
Theo jacked, maybe.
joe rogan
Any posing photos?
theo von
Oh no, nothing like that, bro.
Like them brown sugar babies.
I didn't do all of that, bro.
Out there just black bodying.
joe rogan
A buddy of mine sent me, a buddy of mine that I used to compete with back in the day, sent me some photos of me and him at the Bay State Games from 1986. Ooh, the Bay State Games.
theo von
That sounds...
joe rogan
Yeah, I'll send it to you, Jamie.
theo von
I was probably 202. Yeah?
joe rogan
Jacked.
theo von
Oh dude, I was fucking jacked.
I could fucking chew on my traps.
joe rogan
Really?
Just reach over and take a bite?
Damn.
theo von
Oh, fucking goodness.
Do you miss those days?
Well, I don't in some ways because I was doing some type of testosterone or something.
So you get a little bit jacked, but then when you come off it, it was a little tougher, you know?
joe rogan
Right.
You'd be depressed.
theo von
Right.
But I miss some of those days.
The thing I realized I missed also was the camaraderie of just being in the gym and getting those devils out.
joe rogan
Yeah, and hanging out with other people that are doing the same thing you're doing.
theo von
Yeah, and joking around.
You realize, oh, I'm okay.
joe rogan
See, that's me with the blue jacket on.
theo von
On the right?
joe rogan
Yeah, the far right.
theo von
Damn, dog.
You was fine, bro.
joe rogan
Thank you very much.
That was cutie.
That's my friend.
Well, go back to that other picture, please.
That's my friend Larry Jones to the right.
I've talked about it many times.
Look how tall his legs are.
Look at that guy, Larry.
theo von
On the left?
joe rogan
To my right.
Yeah, he's to the left of me in the photograph, or we're looking at it this way.
theo von
Okay, yeah.
joe rogan
But to my physical right.
theo von
Oh, we got them long.
Look at his legs!
joe rogan
His legs go all the way up to my tits.
And he's only like six inches taller than me, but his legs were way taller.
He had like extra foot-long legs.
And then the dude next to him, I forget his name, the guy with the green belt, but the guy with the red belt, that's my friend Tom.
He's the one who sent me the photo, Tom or Dogna, and he's the guy with the mustache.
And next to him, that's Sidley.
And Sidley and me.
And then Junkzik, I've talked about him many times.
It's the guy that I've got my left arm on.
He's the guy that was in med school while he was competing.
So this guy was a national champion while he was going through med school.
theo von
Gang, baby.
joe rogan
Crazy.
Most disciplined person I ever met in my life.
theo von
Really?
joe rogan
Couldn't believe- To this day, I think about him if I ever think that I work hard.
That motherfucker was always tired.
unidentified
Wow.
joe rogan
And won the national championship.
unidentified
Wow.
joe rogan
Always tired.
Going to med school.
Always tired.
Didn't give a fuck.
unidentified
Yeah.
joe rogan
Because it worked.
He would be practicing, doing his studies, and then he would put all of his books in a backpack and run up and down the stairs.
Did you show that other photo?
And so this was like when I was, I think this is 86, so I was 19. And what would y'all do?
theo von
What kind of lunch would y'all eat?
joe rogan
So that is me waiting to compete, I think, probably.
theo von
This one's Subway was big too, I bet, huh?
We all have a lot of Subway subs.
joe rogan
I don't know if Subway was big back then.
I don't think it existed.
Damn.
Jared didn't really sink Subway.
You would think that that scandal would have sunk Subway.
I wonder if it took a hit off their business.
Your spokesmom was out there fucking kids.
theo von
Yeah, that's a...
I don't know.
I don't know if that will sink a business.
I guess it depends on what it is.
joe rogan
Yeah, it depends on the business.
theo von
We just went to Jimmy John's summer camp the other day.
joe rogan
Oh, yeah?
theo von
Yeah.
He does a summer camp for his friends and family.
joe rogan
I met Jimmy John.
He's friends with Kid Rock.
theo von
Yeah, he's friends with Bob.
joe rogan
Have you met him?
With Bob.
Yeah, you call him Kid Rock Bob.
theo von
Yeah.
He has a dinner table at his house now.
His new house got built or whatever.
joe rogan
The White House.
theo von
It's insane, bro.
It's a replica of the White House.
joe rogan
I talked about it.
He took me for a tour.
It's the wildest shit ever.
theo von
Bro, yeah.
joe rogan
How about that gold elevator in the middle of the house?
theo von
There's a gold bathroom, all gold.
Yes, yes, all gold.
joe rogan
The gold shower.
It's a golden shower.
He goes, get it?
And I was like, I get it.
But nobody fucking has that kind of money and has that kind of sensibility to do that.
Only Kid Rock would make that house.
It's a 27,000 square foot house with two bedrooms.
theo von
Yeah, that's crazy, man.
joe rogan
Does he have any photos of it online?
It's the craziest fucking house I've ever seen in my life.
theo von
I have a good...
He has a dining table upstairs.
And it's beautiful.
And it's like...
It spins on a big circle so you can pass by the view.
And you go in circles so you keep passing by the view.
It's really nice.
It's cool.
joe rogan
Oh, so the actual floor spins...
So it's like one of those restaurants at the top of a building.
Remember they used to have those?
theo von
Those things that never panned out?
joe rogan
They never panned out.
Nobody wanted to just spin around while they're eating dinner.
You get sick.
theo von
Yeah, you go to the bathroom, you come back, you don't even know who the fuck you are anymore.
Where's my fucking table?
unidentified
I can't find my family.
theo von
Every kid's just messing up there.
joe rogan
Yeah, that was like one of those novelties that didn't really work out.
People were really into that for a while, though.
theo von
Yeah, people were, man.
They had one in New Orleans for a while.
But yeah, Bob's got it nice.
It's really set up over there.
But yeah, we went to Jimmy John's summer camp.
That was fun.
Got some fishing.
joe rogan
Yeah.
theo von
And caught some different types of fish.
Got to go fishing with Emeril.
You know the Chef Emeril?
joe rogan
Oh, really?
theo von
He's from Boston.
joe rogan
Yeah, that guy, Emeril, what is his last name?
He used to have a TV show for a while.
Lagasse.
unidentified
Yeah.
joe rogan
Yeah, he had a TV show for a while.
Remember?
theo von
Oh, yeah.
joe rogan
We'd say BAM all the time.
That was his thing.
theo von
BAM. Yeah, dude.
joe rogan
It was a catchphrase.
theo von
We caught a fish with him.
I put it up on my IG. Well, we caught, we went out there to caught some fish.
But that was really fun.
joe rogan
Who was the first celebrity chef?
Was it Julia Child?
theo von
Probably somebody in the Bible, huh?
joe rogan
Oh, more futuristic?
In terms of television.
She was probably the first...
Remember?
Remember Julia Child?
theo von
Nuh-uh, man.
joe rogan
She was a lady cooking on television.
unidentified
She comes up and I type in who about first celebrity chef.
theo von
I remember Tracy Ullman.
Remember her?
joe rogan
She was a comedian.
theo von
Yeah.
joe rogan
She wasn't a chef.
theo von
But it was like the first woman that I heard on TV. What about I Love Lucy?
Oh, no, I didn't know her.
I mean, I've seen clips.
But she was hot, I thought, huh?
joe rogan
You like Tracy Ullman or I Love Lucy?
theo von
I Love Lucy.
joe rogan
Yeah, back in the day.
She was hot and funny.
theo von
Yeah.
joe rogan
So was Mary Tyler Moore.
Remember her?
theo von
I remember.
I heard about her.
joe rogan
Yeah.
When I was a kid, we used to watch the Mary Tyler Moore show.
She worked in a newsroom.
It was weird because there was a show, like, she had a boss that was Ed Asner was her boss.
I forget what his name was on the show.
theo von
Ed Asner.
joe rogan
But then they did another show with him where it was a serious show.
theo von
Okay.
joe rogan
So it went from him being her boss on a sitcom to him playing the same guy without Mary Tyler Moore, and it wasn't funny at all.
theo von
It was two different shows.
joe rogan
It was a drama.
theo von
Oh, that's crazy.
joe rogan
It was like Lou something or another.
What was his fucking name?
unidentified
Lou Grant.
joe rogan
Lou Grant.
theo von
But he played the same character?
unidentified
Yeah.
theo von
Oh, that's weird.
joe rogan
Well, it wasn't just weird.
It was like they completely flipped it on its head because it wasn't funny.
theo von
Right.
joe rogan
So in Mary Tyler Moore, it was a comedy.
theo von
Yeah.
joe rogan
Mary worked in the newsroom, and Lou Grant was the boss, and there was all these dilemmas.
Like, what do I do?
And then Lou Grant does a show, but it's serious.
theo von
Yeah.
joe rogan
It's like, what are you doing?
theo von
And they didn't know.
joe rogan
Yeah, it's like as if Archie Bunker left the family, all in the family, and all of a sudden he's a serious guy.
theo von
Right.
joe rogan
Like, without the family to joke around, without his fucking racist jokes.
theo von
But he's still the same guy.
joe rogan
He's still the same guy.
theo von
Same character.
Yeah, it'd be crazy.
joe rogan
And it's not funny anymore.
theo von
Right.
Like if Archie Bunker were on In the Heat of the Night.
joe rogan
Right.
theo von
And you were like, he's just like, what?
joe rogan
Instead of...
What was his name?
theo von
Oh, Carol O'Connor?
joe rogan
Carol O'Connor, yeah.
theo von
Well, that was the same guy though, right?
joe rogan
Same guy, yeah.
theo von
Yeah.
joe rogan
But a different...
Like, people didn't want that show, though.
theo von
I loved Carol O'Connor.
joe rogan
Yeah, but nobody wanted that Heat of the Night show.
Get out of here.
Where's the fucking Archie Bunker?
But by the time the 80s rolled around, you couldn't do that character anymore.
theo von
Oh, the Archie Bunker character?
joe rogan
Yeah.
theo von
God, it was so good.
joe rogan
That was a 1970s show.
That was back in the day when Red Fox had Sanford and Son.
Like, you could have wild shit.
You could say wild shit on TV still.
theo von
Do you think that kind of stuff will come back, though?
joe rogan
It'll come back on YouTube.
Like, that's kind of what Gillian Keeves are doing.
You know?
Like, Shane Gillis.
He's...
theo von
Oh, yeah.
joe rogan
Those sketches are wild.
theo von
They're amazing.
Them guys are amazing, man.
joe rogan
He's so funny, man.
His stand-up is so fucking funny.
unidentified
Yeah.
joe rogan
Like, when I see guys like him coming up, it gives me a lot of hope.
A lot of hope because people still want to see that kind of comedy.
They still want to see wild comedy.
And he's a great guy, too.
unidentified
Oh, yeah.
joe rogan
Great, great fucking guy.
theo von
Yeah, Shane's great to be around, man.
I like being around him.
He really just...
He's fun.
People like him.
He's kind of, like, tall and kind of chubby, you know?
So it's just a cool...
You don't see that very often.
joe rogan
He's getting jacked.
unidentified
He's been working out a lot.
theo von
Is he really?
joe rogan
Yeah.
Yeah, he's working out like crazy.
theo von
Wow, for what?
joe rogan
Just for...
To get healthy again.
theo von
Oh, dang.
joe rogan
Still drinks so much, though.
theo von
Yeah, he's good at it.
joe rogan
I've never seen anybody better.
theo von
He's such a...
I don't know.
He reminds me of, I guess, a character that I knew growing up or something.
joe rogan
He doesn't seem like a real person.
unidentified
Yes.
joe rogan
Have you seen the numbers that he puts down?
We do podcasts together.
We have this thing, Protect Our Parks.
We do it.
It's Ari Shafir, Shane, and Mark Norman.
And we get blitzkrieged.
We just get super high and talk crazy shit.
And Ari tried to compete beer for beer with Shane.
theo von
And Shane put him on the map.
joe rogan
Oh, Shane was still talking and coherent, 16, 17 beers in, and Ari was throwing up in a...
theo von
Shane will start a fucking family on a case of beer, dude.
He's just got that in him.
joe rogan
I don't understand how he does it, but we had a cooler, and Ari's throwing up in the cooler.
He's lying down.
unidentified
I heard about that.
joe rogan
He fell asleep on the floor of the podcast studio.
We left him here, and I told Jeff, I'm like, you gotta check in on him every couple minutes just to make sure he's not dead.
theo von
Yeah.
joe rogan
Usually he swallows his own tongue or something.
theo von
Oh, that'd be the worst, huh?
joe rogan
Yeah, I wouldn't want him to die.
theo von
Oh, no.
joe rogan
Not like that.
theo von
No, I wouldn't want him to die either, man.
And I think that Shane is like, yeah, Shane seems like he could start a family.
Oh, there you go.
joe rogan
Look at him, blacked out, angry.
Look at his face.
theo von
He's upset.
And look at his pills next to him in that thing.
joe rogan
Is that pills?
theo von
What is that?
I shouldn't have said that.
We don't know it's pills, but it's...
joe rogan
What is that thing?
jamie vernon
It's like a hangover medication type thing.
You put it in like effervescent.
theo von
Oh, he came prepared, huh?
jamie vernon
Yeah, yeah.
They're already drinking it.
theo von
He's cheating, dude.
Have USADA checking, bro.
That was fucking cheating.
joe rogan
Look at this stack of empties next to Shane.
unidentified
Wow.
joe rogan
I mean, how does he do that and not piss?
I mean, he's a big, big guy on top of that.
theo von
What if you don't piss?
What happens to you?
joe rogan
You die.
Wow.
theo von
There's so many fucking ways to die, man.
joe rogan
One of Dom Irera's buddies held his piss too much and wound up having to get a catheter.
He like ruptured his bladder.
He did something really fucked up.
theo von
Do you ever wake up in the middle of the night, you gotta pee, right?
You're a regular guy, you gotta pee, right?
Yeah.
And you just say, you know what, this isn't enough pee inside of me, I'm gonna go back to sleep, I'm gonna ride the bag a little.
joe rogan
I just get up.
theo von
Every time?
joe rogan
Every time.
theo von
Oh man, I don't think you should do that all the time.
joe rogan
Why?
theo von
Sometimes you gotta fucking ride that bag, homie.
joe rogan
No.
And then you won't sleep good.
I need sleep.
Takes me 30 seconds to piss.
I get up, I piss, go right back to sleep.
theo von
Can you go right back to sleep?
joe rogan
Like a brick.
theo von
Do you sleep on your back?
joe rogan
No.
If I do, my wife elbows me.
theo von
Oh, yeah?
joe rogan
Because I snore.
theo von
Oh, yeah.
joe rogan
If I sleep on my back, I'm making some noise.
I gotta sleep on my side.
theo von
Yeah, I wish there was more ways to sleep.
joe rogan
How would you like to do it?
theo von
I don't know.
I just wish you could do it in different forms.
You could do it sitting up.
You could do it just leaning against something.
You could do it upside down.
I think because then you would be able to do more things with your body to get the blood in different parts.
joe rogan
Can you imagine if you didn't have to sleep?
If there was a pill that they could give you that would eliminate your need for sleep, you would have eight whole more hours to do whatever you want during the day.
Like, imagine if you didn't get tired like that.
theo von
I don't want that.
joe rogan
You don't want that?
theo von
No, because what I'm gonna end up doing is, I'm gonna end up doing...
There's no way if I had eight more hours I wouldn't cheat on my wife.
I don't have a wife, but if you gave me eight more hours in a day, dude...
joe rogan
That would be it.
unidentified
It would be fucking...
theo von
It's so hard for a guy to get through 16 without fucking, like, doing an eight ball or fucking running around on his leg.
joe rogan
Shooting at cops?
unidentified
You give him eight more hours?
joe rogan
Eight more hours he's gonna get in a shootout.
unidentified
Bro, half the dudes are gonna check out.
We can't handle it.
It's already too hard, man.
joe rogan
Yeah, armed robbery.
You gotta do something.
theo von
Dude, isn't it weird how guys...
Like, if you look at some of these guys, like Elon Musk, Facebook...
What's his name?
Mark.
joe rogan
Zuckerberg.
unidentified
Yeah.
theo von
And then the other guy...
They look like aliens, bro.
Their body is white.
They're really...
joe rogan
It's because they work all day.
If you look at Elon when he was out on that yacht, those photos they took of him, that motherfucker looks like he hasn't seen the sunlight in years.
Years.
His body has not been exposed to sun.
You can't fake that.
That whiteness, that's a wild whiteness.
theo von
Well, that's what I'm saying.
It's almost an extraterrestrial whiteness.
It's the whiteness you see when you see an alien.
joe rogan
It's paper.
theo von
That's what I'm telling you is that these guys are...
You know, I believe that autism is like kind of the next, there's kind of a space where there is like man and machine.
And that's a lot of autism.
A lot of autism, you see these guys who will do the calculations and they'll be able to, you know, figure things out.
They're almost a little bit more of a computer than a person or they're somewhere in the middle, kind of.
joe rogan
Like they're more advanced than us.
They're eliminating the emotions that hold people back.
theo von
That's what they're doing.
joe rogan
Yeah.
theo von
And so when you get that, and you get some of these guys that are like that, I think that's kind of the next evolution, and that's closer, really, to aliens, man.
joe rogan
Yeah.
theo von
When you see aliens, they're not like, oh, fuck, man.
unidentified
Right.
theo von
Been a long day.
joe rogan
Scratching their balls.
Yeah.
That's an interesting thing that I thought of too.
theo von
They're doing business, man.
joe rogan
Is that maybe that's like the next level of evolution is that like there's more of a separation between emotional anxiety and instead concentrating on calculations and numbers and...
Accomplishments.
I mean, just think about all the different things that Elon does simultaneously.
That's what's wild.
Like, that doesn't seem like a normal human being would have the capacity to develop rockets while he's developing electric cars, while he's developing Neuralink, which is like a human computer brain interface, while he's developing the boring company where he's trying to solve traffic problems.
theo von
While he's in the Mediterranean?
joe rogan
Yeah, with his shirt off.
Looking like a sheet.
theo von
Risking it all.
joe rogan
Going crazy.
theo von
Out there for one minute in the sun at that level.
joe rogan
You see there's a story that came out that said that he's not friends with the guy from Google anymore because he had an affair with his wife.
theo von
Oh, that's crazy.
joe rogan
And then he just tweeted, he goes, this fucking totally bullshit.
He goes, I am friends with the guy.
I was just hanging out with him last night.
And he's like, I've only seen his wife with other people around like two or three times ever.
theo von
Oh, it's all fiction?
unidentified
Yeah.
joe rogan
He goes, I haven't seen her in years.
theo von
Oh, that's fiction.
joe rogan
Like, he tweeted about it.
He's like, this is just a lie.
Like, they just make up lies.
Like, people just make up shit about him.
Imagine if he was just made shit up about you and then printed it in the fucking...
What was it in?
Was it in the...
unidentified
Was it in the...
joe rogan
It was the Wall Street Journal.
Wall Street Journal.
theo von
But isn't that, I mean, now it's like there's bots making stories.
So soon I feel like there's going to be a story for everything that's going to be out there and people are just going to be clear.
It's like there's no, is there even any real, you know, what recourse do you even have these days?
joe rogan
Well, he could sue.
He could definitely sue.
A story like that is defamatory.
But all they have to do is say that they have a source.
But, I mean, you gotta check with him, I think, before you print something like that.
But the thing is, like, the concern is that what those stories do, like, I think he made some sort of reference to short sellers.
theo von
Okay.
joe rogan
So, like, someone who's, like, shorting the stock.
theo von
Yeah, yeah, yeah.
joe rogan
So you could say, you could make an argument that if the stock crashes, That you could make a lot of money on that.
And if you made a story that made Elon look like he's out of control, he's losing his mind, people would go, oh boy, I'm going to get rid of my stock because this CEO is out of his fucking mind.
And then you're shorting the stock.
And so then the stock crashes, and then the people that shorted the stock wound up making a shitload of money.
You could make an argument that someone would write, I'm not saying they did, but someone would write a defamatory story just so that they could profit.
theo von
Right.
joe rogan
You could do that today.
theo von
Oh, if I'm running a business and I have access to somebody who has a PR arm, I would do that kind of stuff.
I feel like a lot of stuff is all kind of sneakily tied in.
You don't really realize it.
joe rogan
Oh, yeah.
For sure.
That was one of the things that came out about Bill Gates, that Bill Gates had heavily invested in some fund, and this fund had been attacking Elon, because he has a short position on Tesla stock.
Elon had a conversation with Bill Gates.
It was a public thing, because Bill Gates asked him to invest in one of his philanthropic...
the word came out wrong.
Philanthropic adventures.
Yeah, yeah.
And Elon Musk asked him, do you still have a short position on Tesla?
theo von
Okay.
joe rogan
And it's like Tesla, he shorted it like a billion dollars.
theo von
Oh, damn.
joe rogan
Yeah, it's like a big position.
And he said, yeah, I do, but what does that have to do with anything?
He's like, fuck off.
theo von
Yeah.
joe rogan
I'm not interested, bro.
theo von
Damn.
joe rogan
You're betting on me to lose.
Get out of here, pal.
theo von
Did you want him to buy Twitter?
I wish he would buy it and shut it down.
joe rogan
He might still buy it.
This whole thing that's going on right now, this is like, in my opinion, this is a way for us to find out exactly how many bots are on Twitter.
And this is the best way.
Because if he just bought it, then he would have to find out.
theo von
Right.
joe rogan
He'd have to do some sort of internal examination.
But they claim that Twitter only has 5% bots.
He thinks it's far more than 5%, and he thinks that the way they determined 5% is not adequate.
I forget exactly what they did.
It was something like they took a random 100 accounts, and out of that 100 accounts, five of them were bullshit.
So they figured, well, that's probably 5%.
And he's like, that's not how you do it.
You need a really comprehensive way of examining all of the different people that may or may not be bots.
But the thing is, like, are they bots or are they on a troll farm?
Like, if it's in a troll farm, how do you even know if they're bots?
Like, how do you know if they're being paid to say what they're saying?
theo von
A lot of them are trying to fuck.
Usually a lot of the chick ones, you know, it's like sex.
Look at this or something, you know, and it's sex.
joe rogan
Right, but they're not really trying to fuck.
They're trying to fuck you out of your money.
unidentified
Yeah.
joe rogan
They're trying to get your dumb ass to give them a credit card.
theo von
Yeah.
joe rogan
Like, I'm having a hard time, my transmission broke.
And you're like, oh baby, I could take care of that.
theo von
That's crazy, huh?
joe rogan
That ain't nothing.
theo von
Yeah, yeah, yeah.
joe rogan
Transmission, I only have about 900 bucks.
I got you.
theo von
Mail him a wrench.
joe rogan
Yeah, exactly.
theo von
What about, um, but do you think, um, I wish he, what if he bought it and then shut it down?
joe rogan
Why would he do that?
theo von
Because then it's dead.
joe rogan
Yeah, but then he loses 44 billion dollars.
You're a terrible businessman.
theo von
But we don't have to fucking deal with Twitter anymore.
joe rogan
What about him?
He's out 44 billion.
You know how hard it is to make 44 billion?
You just give it away to kill Twitter.
theo von
He saved the world, though.
joe rogan
They would just make twatter.
And then everybody would hop on board with twatter because Twitter's not around anymore.
Yeah, same people would run it.
Listen, if they kill Twitter, those same social justice warrior executives, they'll get some fucking venture capitalists to fund some new thing, and they'll have some comprehensive, inclusive, new kind of social media platform where everybody's special.
theo von
Yeah, I guess I'm wondering if it should be shut down.
But I guess, yes, somebody would just make a new one.
joe rogan
Did you see that Reddit banned the use of the word groomer?
jamie vernon
I looked into that a little bit.
That is what they were saying, but that's not quite what happened from what I was reading.
unidentified
Okay, what did you read?
jamie vernon
The screenshot that I've read on a few pages was from a subreddit, and the subreddit claimed that admins told them they couldn't do that stuff anymore, and they had to police their subreddit harder using those terms groomer.
theo von
Is there a lot of people grooming out there?
Is that kind of stuff growing, you think?
joe rogan
Well, the problem is people are using it as an anti-LBGTQ term.
They're talking about groomers as is someone trying to groom young kids and either make them gay or trans.
The problem with eliminating the term groomer is what about some grown man who's grooming young girls and trying to fuck them?
Because that's real.
Like, that's a real thing.
I mean, there have been many young girls that have fallen victim to older men who come along and find some 14-year-old girl and get close to her and then wind up grooming her.
But it's a thing.
Grooming is a thing.
And I understand that it makes people uncomfortable that people connect it to LBGTQ people.
A lot of it is like TikTok.
Because people are seeing these people on TikTok.
With blue hair, screaming, all your children are going to be trans, and they freak out, and they're like, we've got to stop these groomers.
They're grooming our kids.
It's like, but how many fucking of them are there?
Like, and how much of this is just magnified by social media?
theo von
Right.
joe rogan
And how much of it is magnified by groups like TikTok, which, you know, are, oh my god, I read TikTok's terms of service.
I went down a TikTok rabbit hole yesterday.
theo von
Yeah, it's good.
joe rogan
I stayed home, smoked a little weed, and I started reading up on TikTok.
theo von
Yeah.
joe rogan
Oh, my God.
I'm going to read you this, because this is so crazy.
theo von
Is it good or bad?
joe rogan
Bad.
theo von
So what are you saying?
It's a bad place to be?
joe rogan
Listen to this.
This is from TikTok's privacy policy.
theo von
All right.
joe rogan
It said, we collect certain information about the device you use to access the platform.
Mm-hmm.
Such as your IP address, user region, this is really crazy, user agent, mobile carrier, time zone settings, identifiers for advertising purpose, model of your device, the device system, network type, device IDs, your screen resolution and operating system, app and file names and types.
So all your apps and all your file names, all the things you have filed away on your phone, they have access to that.
File names and types.
Keystroke patterns or rhythms.
So they're monitoring your keystrokes, which means they know every fucking thing you type.
unidentified
Wow.
joe rogan
Battery state, audio settings, and connected audio devices, where you log in from multiple devices.
theo von
Oh.
joe rogan
We may be able to use your profile information to identify your activity across devices.
We may also associate you with information collected from devices other than those you use to log into the platform, meaning they can use other computers that you're not even using to log into TikTok.
They can suck the data off that.
That's what you're agreeing to.
When you download and start using TikTok.
theo von
That's wild!
It's insane.
My question would be, do you think they did that, they created TikTok just on purpose to have all that?
joe rogan
100%.
unidentified
Wow!
joe rogan
I think they saw that people are addicted to social media, and they came up with the most addictive version of social media, which is TikTok.
It's the most addictive by far.
It's the best for sucking people in.
My kids are fucking hook, line, and sinker on that shit.
And I know a lot of other people who are hook, line, and sinker to grown people.
theo von
It's good.
joe rogan
It's good.
And it starts playing things immediately.
The moment you turn it on, it's like playing you a new thing, playing you a new thing.
You're like...
And you just sucked into it.
And all the while, it's monitoring your keystrokes, your audio settings.
By audio settings, that means it has access to your microphone.
That means it's listening to you right now.
theo von
Just tell me how it ends, man.
joe rogan
It ends with China having all of your data.
And if they develop a sort of digital currency...
If they get all the data, then what?
theo von
Then what?
joe rogan
Well, you're fucked.
Because if they...
Look, what's going on in China, I don't know if you've seen this, but they pulled tanks in front of banks to stop people from fucking rioting because they just took all their money.
Did you see all that?
Yeah.
Did you see that shit?
Oh, my God.
They have shut down people's accounts, and they're doing a social credit score system in China, and they have digital currency.
Video of tanks shows Chinese military exercise, not bank barricade.
Yeah, according to China and the AP. But if you see what's going on over there with the digital currency, what they have is the ability to tell you you can't buy gas.
Like, hey, Theo, we don't like the way you're living your life, so you're not going to be able to buy a plane.
theo von
China's a dump, man.
I mean, there's cool people and I like some of the food, but I think it just...
I don't know.
I don't like the way they're doing it all.
joe rogan
Any military exercise they're doing when they're putting tanks in front of a bank is intimidation at the very least.
theo von
Do you think the people there even know what freedom is anymore, or do you think they're just so brainwashed?
joe rogan
They've never had freedom like we have, so no.
I mean, they weren't even capitalists for a long time, right?
It was a communist country.
And then they realized, you know what?
In order to compete, we got to loosen this up a little bit and let some people get greedy and make a shitload of money.
And that's what they did.
They kind of have a hybrid of capitalism and communism.
You know, because in the old days, it was like the government would tell you what you do.
The government would tell you what you get paid.
And you just did what you had to do.
You did what you were told.
theo von
Right.
joe rogan
But what they do now is they allow people to get extraordinarily wealthy.
So some people, they develop industries, they develop businesses, and they work in conjunction with the government.
Every business that exists in China, say it's a tech business, you are an arm of the government.
You're not independent from the government.
That was the concern with Huawei.
Like when they were trying to, when they banned Huawei phones from being distributed in America.
Do you know about all that?
theo von
I don't think so.
It's not the gas station.
joe rogan
No, that's Huawei, right?
What is it?
theo von
You're talking about flip phones?
joe rogan
It's an H. No, they have super complex smartphones.
Like Huawei, it starts with an H. Huawei had some amazing phones.
theo von
Oh, Huawei.
Huawei, okay.
joe rogan
With an H. Okay.
And they had amazing phones that they were using, like, they had like 100 megapixel digital cameras before anybody did, really like high-end phones.
But they also had network devices that were stealing data.
theo von
Fancy.
joe rogan
Yeah.
Well, they were using them as spy devices.
theo von
Okay.
joe rogan
You know, like, all this shit that I was reading about TikTok?
Well, they have a similar situation with, like, their routers.
theo von
So that's spying.
So they're spying, basically.
joe rogan
100%.
theo von
But what do they do once they have all this information?
Like, what's the end goal to having it all?
joe rogan
Oh, yeah.
FBI found Huawei equipment in Midwest could disrupt nuclear communications, CNN. And that is from yesterday.
I'm going to send you this, Jamie.
I'm going to send you some new thing.
Hold on a second.
theo von
Dang.
joe rogan
Because this is really crazy.
This is some shit that they found out where the FBI director starts talking about...
I'll send you this, Jamie.
Hold on a second.
The FBI director was talking about how bad the Chinese spying is on Americans, and he said it's bigger than every other country combined.
theo von
Why do they want to spy on us though?
Because what?
Because we are what?
joe rogan
Stealing intellectual property, stealing all your data, stealing credit card numbers, stealing where you're going, tracking you, if you're criticizing the Chinese government, like whatever the fuck you're in control.
theo von
So say one day they could like...
One day, would it be possible then, if they take all this information, that they could just, like, commandeer, like, say, like, a business's website, right?
For sure.
Like Nike.
joe rogan
For sure.
Listen to this guy talk.
unidentified
Okay.
joe rogan
Listen to this guy talk.
Go full screen.
theo von
Yeah, sure.
joe rogan
Go full screen and then give me some volume.
unidentified
The biggest threat we face as a country from a counterintelligence perspective is from the People's Republic of China, and especially the Chinese Communist Party.
No country presents a broader, more severe threat to our ideas, our innovation, our economic security than China.
And they are targeting our innovation, our trade secrets, our intellectual property, On a scale that's unprecedented in history.
They have a bigger hacking program than that of every other major nation combined.
They have stolen more of Americans' personal and corporate data than every nation combined.
What is the FBI doing about that?
So the FBI is keenly focused on the China counterintelligence threat.
We are now moving at a pace where we're opening a new China counterintelligence investigation about every 12 hours.
joe rogan
Jesus Christ.
Every 12 hours.
theo von
So, like, say one day you could go to a website, right, to buy something, okay?
joe rogan
Yeah.
theo von
And China has the information of the website.
It has your information.
And they could, wonder if they could, like, put their own website over it.
So you actually just buy it and they send it to you from China and they make the money and that company never even gets there.
joe rogan
I'm sure they could do that.
It'd be even worse.
How about this?
Maybe you develop something.
You develop some new innovative technology, but you develop it using an internet that's connected with Huawei devices or some other device that the Chinese government has infiltrated and put third-party access to.
So they infiltrate all of your secrets, and when you go to market, they've already created it.
So they already have put people to work building the thing that you have worked so hard to develop.
They put engineers on it, and they do it.
So all of our intellectual property, all of our creative pursuits in terms of innovation, they steal all that.
theo von
Wow.
joe rogan
And they just build it over there.
They have Apple stores in China that have nothing to do with Apple.
Everything's counterfeit.
theo von
Oh, dude, one time I went to this Starbucks one time in Jamaica, right?
We went in there and somebody had just stolen a Starbucks sign and put it up outside of this place.
So we go in and the guy's like, welcome to the Starbucks Lounge!
He's like, can I get you a smoothie?
joe rogan
And it was in Jamaica?
unidentified
Yeah.
joe rogan
So he just had a Starbucks sign.
unidentified
Yeah, it was like a smoothie shop, dude.
theo von
It was so ridiculous, bro.
joe rogan
Well, other countries have like totally different rules in terms of what you can get away with and what you can.
And China's rules are wild.
You know, they have versions of world cities that they've built replicas of in China.
Like they have a version of Paris.
Have you seen that?
Google a Chinese version of Paris.
Because they have the kind of money they have in China, and because they have free reign to do whatever the fuck they want, they've literally built cities that they don't even use.
theo von
Oh, I wonder if...
unidentified
What are you wondering?
I'm trying to think what I'm wondering.
joe rogan
Look at this.
The Eitel Tower left is one of Paris' most iconic landmarks.
The second largest replica in the world can be found in...
Boy, say that word.
Tianducheng?
theo von
Tianducheng.
Tianducheng.
joe rogan
After the Paris Las Vegas hotel in Nevada.
Look at that one on the right.
That is a fake Eiffel Tower.
It looks exactly like it.
But it's in China.
theo von
But that's just like us.
joe rogan
But look, they build the buildings.
Do you have to sign in for this shit?
Everything's like that.
But look, they made all the different buildings there.
That's what's wild.
Like they've recreated everything.
They've recreated, look at that.
I mean, that is fucking wild.
They recreate the building on the corner.
They recreate all this shit.
Look at that.
It's in China.
theo von
Oh yeah, that's the...
joe rogan
It's a huge replica of Paris.
Like, they've literally reproduced Paris.
theo von
Well, dude, the one thing that's wild about China, you ride on the trains, and sometimes they have these buildings, and they're just, they built them, but there's no windows.
They're just, like, completely abandoned, but they're huge high-rises just everywhere.
There's nothing in them.
joe rogan
Yeah, exactly.
It's the same thing.
That's what we're talking about.
Like, they have the ability to do stuff like that that we just don't have.
theo von
What do they do if somebody dies over there?
Do they bury them, or they don't care?
joe rogan
I mean, they can definitely make you disappear over there.
Do you know that bodies exhibit?
That was another thing that I went down a rabbit hole yesterday with.
theo von
Oh, the one that went around America?
joe rogan
Didn't go around America.
They're simultaneously going around the whole world, all over the place.
theo von
Body world or whatever.
joe rogan
They dissect the body and there's a process where they infuse the body with plastic.
Do you know where they get those bodies from?
Chinese unclaimed bodies.
theo von
No way.
joe rogan
Which include political prisoners.
theo von
I went three times, dude.
joe rogan
I went a couple times, too.
theo von
It was unbelievable.
You see the one with the baby in it?
joe rogan
Yeah, there's baby ones.
There's a bunch of them, but they're in all sorts of different countries simultaneously.
They're going on right now all over the world.
There's one that's permanently at the Luxor in Vegas.
unidentified
Wow.
joe rogan
They have that one there.
They have them all over the world.
And they're bodies of prisoners.
Yeah.
There's one where the guy's playing tennis.
That could be some guy who's a fucking tennis player banging some dude's wife.
He's like, oh, you think you're gonna fuck my wife?
And they just turn this dude into a plastic statue holding a tennis racket with his dick hanging out.
theo von
Yeah, and they even cut their dick down the middle.
joe rogan
They do things where if you found that in a warehouse, you would say, that guy's a serial killer.
But, you know, it's at the Luxor.
You're like, oh, I guess everything's cool.
theo von
It's pretty normal.
joe rogan
You have to pay.
You have to pay to get in here, so it must be normal.
theo von
We're getting acclimated to weird stuff being more normal.
joe rogan
That's the weirdest.
That was one of the weirdest things.
If you find out that these people most likely were executed, and some of them they found bullet holes in.
theo von
Oh, damn, dude.
joe rogan
Which makes sense, right?
I mean, if you're going to get a body from Chinese unclaimed bodies, which include prisoners.
theo von
Like a Ross dress for less?
joe rogan
Executed prisoners.
unidentified
Yeah.
theo von
But it's fucking bodies.
It's bodies.
Yeah, yeah.
joe rogan
And they've also like...
theo von
They're all smalls.
joe rogan
They connected one of the guys who sells the bodies to this Russian group that was using homeless people and prisoners.
And then they sell them the bodies.
And they take these bodies and they dump them into some vats.
See if they can find a thing on the process of plastinization.
theo von
Play it, plastinization, yeah.
We saw a dude in Albuquerque with a sword, man, late at night.
joe rogan
Take a hit.
theo von
Give me a hit, damn, dude.
Am I struggling that bad today?
joe rogan
No, no, you're not struggling at all.
theo von
That nicotine really got me.
joe rogan
Is that a new one, Jamie?
You opening up a new one?
jamie vernon
No, it's the same.
joe rogan
But it has the label on it.
theo von
That's how strong this shit is.
It puts the label back on itself.
joe rogan
Yeah, it seals, reseals.
unidentified
Ready?
theo von
I can already feel it.
All right.
joe rogan
It was so bad.
It's so bad when it's...
theo von
Bro, I'm not joking, bro.
unidentified
I'm not joking, dude.
joe rogan
It's so sharp, right?
theo von
It's so sharp.
Yes, I feel like...
joe rogan
Jamie, you want some of those?
Nope.
You sure?
What was the last time you had some?
jamie vernon
I feel great.
theo von
Leave them alone, Joe.
joe rogan
Come on, give me a little hit.
jamie vernon
I don't need it.
joe rogan
Come on, a little bit for me.
jamie vernon
I could fake it.
theo von
It'll help you lift weights, Jamie.
jamie vernon
I already did today.
theo von
I feel like a sword just came on me.
unidentified
A sword?
theo von
It feels insane.
joe rogan
Oh my god.
Put the lid on that, please.
You're going to take another one?
Oh my god, you're an animal.
theo von
I like to ride the fucking dark on me.
joe rogan
Does it get better the second time around?
theo von
It gets a little more manageable.
unidentified
Oh, my God.
joe rogan
Oof.
unidentified
I feel like they're moving furniture in my fucking DNA, baby.
joe rogan
Yeah, that is not good.
theo von
Dude, yeah, you gotta have Bobby Kennedy on, man.
He's an interesting dude.
joe rogan
How did you meet him?
theo von
I met him just through, like, this...
I met him through just some other friends.
joe rogan
Yeah?
theo von
And, uh...
He's just an interesting guy.
He's just so smart.
And he works with the environment, you know?
So his whole life has been about taking care of the environment.
joe rogan
Yeah, he was an environmentalist.
You're crying.
Are you emotional or just like freaking out because of the smelling salts?
theo von
I mean, I can get emotional sometimes, but I think the salts have got me.
And that thing made my heart slower.
unidentified
It's so rough.
theo von
It makes me never want to play golf, too, smoking that cigar.
joe rogan
So when you had him on, would you associate golf with cigars?
theo von
Yeah.
joe rogan
The cigar bothered you, too?
theo von
Rich people, you know, fucking, hey.
joe rogan
You love Clemson?
Making deals.
theo von
You go to Clemson or what?
joe rogan
It's Clemson.
Roll Tide.
theo von
Yeah, but he loves...
Well, he started with the environment outside of our bodies, and then...
So I think whenever everything happened with COVID, he was thinking about the environment inside of our bodies.
He's long been somebody that speaks out about...
What's it called?
Inoculations.
joe rogan
Yeah, he was an environmental lawyer, right?
theo von
Dude, I got a buddy who was addicted to inoculations, fucking during COVID. He broke into a CVS and did like 40 fucking shots, dude.
unidentified
What?
Yeah, bro.
What?
theo von
What are you doing?
unidentified
Hell yeah.
theo von
He got like...
joe rogan
He got a bunch of different vaccines?
unidentified
Oh yeah, Rose, dude.
joe rogan
Boy, they should study him.
How's he doing?
Maybe that's the key.
You gotta get a lot.
theo von
I think he's doing fine.
I've seen him at some meetings.
joe rogan
Inoculation meetings?
Inoculations Anonymous?
theo von
Hey, bro.
He goes to IA. You got some MMR or what?
joe rogan
I'm trying to mix that Johnson& Johnson up with that Moderna and get that Rush.
I'm trying to get just below a stroke.
I just want that blood to flow smooth.
theo von
But Bobby's interested.
He just got that voice surgery.
joe rogan
He did?
theo von
Yes.
joe rogan
When did he get that?
theo von
I think about a month ago.
I don't know if it's...
I'm not sure.
I just texted him, so I don't know.
But I hope it gets better.
He's just a really neat guy.
joe rogan
So, what was wrong with his voice?
Because I've heard that it was something he actually got was an injury from a vaccine.
theo von
Oh, really?
joe rogan
Yeah.
You can find that.
theo von
Oh, that would make so much sense.
joe rogan
Yeah, because he's so...
theo von
What took him down that road.
joe rogan
What does it say in here?
theo von
Spasmodic dysphonia.
That's it.
joe rogan
It causes his voice to quaver.
What's quaver?
Is that like quiver?
And makes speech difficult.
It's a form of involuntary movement disorder called dystonia that affects only the larynx.
unidentified
That larynx, baby.
joe rogan
How did he get that, though?
Because I had read that he got that from a vaccine.
Like, there was a, you know, he got vaccinated for something, and then that hit his vocal cords.
theo von
Oh, I don't know.
I can't, I mean, he might have told me.
I don't remember.
You remember stuff really well.
joe rogan
Sometimes.
theo von
Yeah.
joe rogan
Yeah, I remember most stuff really well.
theo von
But that's insane, dude.
joe rogan
Yeah.
theo von
You know that that's really fucking weird.
joe rogan
What's weird?
theo von
My memory?
It's not weird.
I shouldn't say weird isn't the word.
But it's really...
People don't have that.
joe rogan
How so?
theo von
They don't, man.
I've met a lot of people that aren't able to remember that kind of stuff like you.
You got that...
joe rogan
But this is what I do.
I'm in here doing this all the time.
theo von
I know.
But you have a really good, you also have a great knack for it.
joe rogan
Well this, I have a knack for remembering things that are interesting to me.
Yeah.
Yeah.
I can remember like, when I do like UFC stuff, I can remember fights from 20 years ago.
unidentified
Wow.
joe rogan
I can remember details of like how it went down.
unidentified
Yeah.
joe rogan
Who fought who and how and what happened.
theo von
Yeah.
That's exciting.
Yeah, I wonder if I had a greater memory what it would be like.
joe rogan
I also take alpha brain though.
That definitely helps.
theo von
Yeah?
joe rogan
This version of alpha brain, the newest version, the black label, this stuff is legit.
theo von
Maybe I'll get on some.
joe rogan
Get on some.
I'll get it for you.
theo von
You will?
joe rogan
Yeah, yeah, yeah.
I'm a big believer in that.
I'm a big believer in nootropics.
There's been two studies that we did for the Boston Center of Memory.
Boston Center of Memory or Boston Center of Memory?
What was the name of the...
Anyway.
There was two double-blind, placebo-controlled trials that they did where they showed increase in verbal memory, increase in your...
It's like your ability to form sentences, the ability to recall words, and peak alpha flow state.
Oh, yeah.
Andrew Huberman actually went over it.
And I think they have the video of it on the Onnit Instagram site.
But he went over all the ingredients that are in AlphaBrain and how they could benefit memory and cognitive function.
But it's been scientifically proven that that stuff benefits cognitive function and memory.
And there's a bunch of different nootropics.
I mean, obviously I'm connected to Onnit, but one of the things that I'm not connected to that we love is NeuroGum.
We always have stacks of that NeuroGum.
That stuff's great.
theo von
I've never had that.
joe rogan
It's very good.
theo von
I'm jacked on this stuff.
joe rogan
Which stuff?
theo von
All of this.
The coffee.
That.
The NAD shot I got.
joe rogan
You had an NAD shot.
You had two shots of Juju Mufu's Ah.
You've got two of these Black Rifle coffees that have 300 milligrams of caffeine each.
You've downed two of those.
You're all hopped up on speed, son.
theo von
I'm not doing that great.
joe rogan
You look great.
theo von
Do I really?
joe rogan
Your hair looks fabulous.
theo von
Thanks.
You think I look alright, Jimmy?
unidentified
It looks great.
theo von
Thanks, man.
unidentified
You look great.
theo von
I've been feeling better.
I just, I think that getting that caffeine in my heart early fucking shook me with that stick right there.
Nicotine.
joe rogan
Oh, the nicotine, huh?
theo von
Yeah, dude.
joe rogan
Tobacco?
You only took like a little bit of that cigar.
theo von
No, man.
Look how much is going.
joe rogan
I'm balls deep in this bitch.
theo von
Yeah, y'all can handle it, man.
I think I just got...
You're sensitive.
Yeah, I'm sensitive to different materials, you know?
joe rogan
Have you ever smoked cigarettes?
Were you ever a cigarette smoker?
theo von
Yeah, I used to smoke them, man, but...
unidentified
And I didn't like it.
theo von
I didn't like it, man, but I fucking smoked them bitches, boy.
joe rogan
You know what I really like?
Vape pens.
theo von
Yeah.
You do?
joe rogan
They make these tobacco ones now.
You take a hit and you just have a head rush.
The mother of all head rushes.
One big shot and breathe it out.
And it's like...
Kill Tony has a sponsor.
They're called...
I think it's called Escobars.
theo von
Oh yeah, that's the one that I like.
joe rogan
Bro.
theo von
Them bitches are hardcore.
joe rogan
They're fat like a cigar, and you take a hit of those, and you are just caroosing.
theo von
And they're all flavored, like they mix flavors and things that have happened in your child, like Kiwi puberty or something, you know, or fucking...
They'll have like a cinnamon divorce, and you're like, what the fuck's going on here?
unidentified
Cinnamon divorce!
theo von
You know?
joe rogan
They're so strong.
I think, didn't the government, didn't they like make a move to outlaw?
theo von
Yeah, they just did, but that's only, I think, for Jules.
I think they're still letting some of these other ones go.
Because, yeah, man, people can now smoke indoors.
I think more people are smoking now than ever before.
joe rogan
But they're doing it with the vapes.
theo von
Yeah.
joe rogan
But I wonder how bad the vapes are for you, as opposed to cigarettes.
theo von
When we find that, I mean, it's like, I'm sure they didn't test it for 30 years.
It's gonna be bad.
joe rogan
Like, a lot of people smoke cigarettes for 30 years before they get cancer.
theo von
Dude, I just feel like, I wonder, do you think that the world is really getting, like, that everything's getting real shady and weird?
Or do you think we're just getting older and people as they get older start to think that things are getting shady and weird?
joe rogan
I think things are definitely escalating.
They're definitely getting shadier and weirder.
The problem is they're also getting exposed, so they have to be more aggressive in how they propagandize and how they pretend that things aren't shady and weird.
So then you feel like you're being gaslit, right?
You know what gaslighting is?
theo von
Not exactly.
joe rogan
I've heard it.
Someone pretends that something is different than it is.
If I started talking about Jamie and I said, Jamie, he's always been this really aggressive guy and he's just really mean to people, which is the opposite of Jamie.
I'm gaslighting you.
I'm telling you about Jamie.
I'm trying to put something in your head to make you think things are different than they are.
Maybe I'll make you think that it's your problem, it's your fault that something went wrong.
So I'll gaslight you.
Like, pump you up in a bunch of information when you really start believing it.
Like, oh, wow.
That's what gaslighting is.
And you're seeing that from news organizations.
Like, you're seeing that from, like, CNN. Yeah, fear tactics.
Fear tactics and also, like, pretending Joe Biden's fine.
theo von
Right.
joe rogan
Pretending, oh, he's just got a stutter.
Like, you know, that's gaslighting.
Right.
Like, did you ever see, like, the press secretary go on Don Lemon?
And she was like, you know, and he was like, is Joe Biden too old to run for president?
She's like, oh, how are we even asking this?
I can't even keep up with him.
He's amazing.
Like, that's gaslighting.
unidentified
Right.
joe rogan
Like, that lady knows that guy's a dead man, a walking dead man.
theo von
Yeah, it makes me feel sad they keep putting him out there.
joe rogan
It is sad.
If that was your father, Or your grandfather or something like that.
You saw him stumbling over words on television and sitting on Jimmy Kimmel's couch and forgetting what he's talking about.
It's sad.
unidentified
Yeah.
theo von
It reminds me of my father.
joe rogan
Right, because your dad was real old, right?
theo von
Yeah.
I mean, it's funny because it reminds me in weird ways, you know?
But it would hurt my feelings if they did that to my dad, you know?
If they pretended like he was well.
And he was struggling, you know?
And because of his age, not because of something he had done to himself.
joe rogan
Meanwhile, Fauci is two years older than him.
And I was listening to Fauci in an interview today, and he was sharp as a tack.
Sharp as a tack.
I mean, whatever that guy's doing, you know, other than vaccines, whatever stuff he's getting into his body, I mean, he must have the best nootropics.
He must be on the ball.
theo von
Do you think that there's better chemicals out there that people have access to that we don't know about?
joe rogan
I think I'd probably have access to them.
theo von
You'd have access to them?
joe rogan
Yeah.
theo von
Do you?
joe rogan
No.
No.
Not that I'm aware of.
I mean, there's some strategies that you can use that can mitigate the aging process.
And I've talked to a lot of those scientists, guys like David Sinclair from Harvard who's at the cutting edge of this stuff.
So there is some stuff.
And there's also this study out of Israel where they used hyperbaric chambers and they put people on a...
A routine of 60, 90 minute sessions over a course of 90 days.
And they found that the people that did that, it lengthened their telomeres to the point of, it would be like a difference of 20 years of aging.
So they went back and decreased their biological age by 20 years in accordance to what their telomere length was.
So there's certain things that people can do that definitely have a very positive impact on the way the body functions and behaves.
But to see a guy who's 81 years old, like Fauci is, talking so smoothly and so articulately and asking, he was on The Hill, that show Rising on the Hill, and they were interviewing him.
It was really interesting.
It was like, he's very sharp.
theo von
We had a dude who tried to fast himself out of being gay, I remember one time.
joe rogan
How many days?
theo von
I think he did almost 40 days or 20-something days.
Isn't that crazy?
joe rogan
How much weight did he lose?
theo von
Oh, he was ribs and dick by the end of it, you know?
unidentified
And still...
I'm just thinking ribs with a big old dick.
theo von
I remember the...
unidentified
He told me, he goes...
I'm thinking a skeleton with a big old rubbery dick.
theo von
He told me, he goes, it broke my heart because the first dude I saw with a Diet Coke, I wanted to fucking blow him.
And I was like, oh, man, what a letdown.
joe rogan
I saw a video today of a Rottweiler throwing up a woman's dildo.
Mm-hmm.
In full- How do you watch all this?
They brought the Rottweiler to the vet.
Fucking Instagram.
They brought the Rottweiler to the vet, and the vet's like...
And it comes out, this giant, hot pink dildo comes tumbling out of this Rottweiler's mouth.
And this poor lady has to sit there and go, yeah, that was in my ass.
unidentified
Oh!
theo von
Somebody had to go get it.
That's crazy.
joe rogan
The dog smelled pussy on it.
I was like, I'll just swallow this.
Fuck it, it seems like food.
theo von
Dogs?
Yeah, I think, uh, what kind of animal?
unidentified
Is that it?
joe rogan
Yeah, that's the dog.
Go full screen.
jamie vernon
There's an ad that's all in a second.
unidentified
Okay.
joe rogan
We are 12 seconds away from watching this Rottweiler throw up a giant dildo.
It's one of those giant dildos that has the asshole tickler, too, built in.
unidentified
Ooh, that party boy.
joe rogan
Or the clit tickler.
Here it goes, watch him.
unidentified
There it is.
Just walk him away.
We're good.
We did good.
Oh, oh.
joe rogan
The lady's like, yeah, we're good.
Did good.
Let's get out of here.
Get the van, Ronnie!
It's a fucking 14-inch dildo.
theo von
Get the van!
Damn, bro.
joe rogan
Keep the car running!
theo von
That is a, uh...
joe rogan
Look at the size of that thing.
See, it's got the...
It's either a clit or a...
It looks like a butthole tickler to me.
theo von
Yeah, it could be.
That's a, um...
What are those things called that they bury stuff at the schoolyard and the kids all put something...
joe rogan
Time capsule.
theo von
Time capsule.
That's that Alabama time capsule right there, dude.
It looked like it had a macaroni in it.
joe rogan
Do you think once they come up with a fuck robot, will women want them more?
Who will want them first?
Would it be men fucking the fuck robot or women getting fucked by the fuck robot?
theo von
I think it'll be men, because women, I think, still will want somebody to be there more, because they have more of an attachment, I think, to somebody being there.
But I think even that's starting to dissipate some.
But I think...
joe rogan
But women have more sex toys than men, don't you think, in terms of, like, vibrators?
Like, a vibrator seems to me that it's, like, more common than, like, a pocket pussy or a fucking fleshlight or something like that.
theo von
Yeah, that's true.
joe rogan
Vibrators are...
theo von
That's true, man.
Damn, that stuff got me fucking shook up.
joe rogan
Which stuff?
This stuff?
theo von
I don't know.
But if you're somebody that is alive or whatever and you...
One of it?
Don't do it, man.
joe rogan
You can't help yourself, huh?
theo von
No, I want more.
joe rogan
It's weird.
Why do you want more when it makes you cry?
theo von
I'll fucking do an eight ball of that shit, son.
unidentified
You know what I'm saying?
I'll hit the strip club with that shit, dude.
joe rogan
Imagine, have a girl sitting on your lap and be like, hey, honey, take a hit of this.
unidentified
What the fuck is wrong with you, Theo?
theo von
Some bouncer beats your ass.
joe rogan
Yeah, what are you doing with my girls?
unidentified
Yeah.
theo von
Oh, that was the scariest dude.
If he was ever in cocaine in a night, in like a strip club, that stuff's scary.
joe rogan
Cocaine is?
theo von
Yeah, cocaine's real scary, but...
Especially everybody dying from it now, but...
joe rogan
Oh, the fentanyl.
theo von
Oh, yeah.
joe rogan
Fentanyl's scary.
theo von
Even, so yeah, it's like we can't even make good cocaine anymore.
It's like...
joe rogan
Well, we can, but we gotta make it legal.
That's really what's up.
Do you know that it's the number one killer of people 18 to 49?
unidentified
Wow.
joe rogan
Yeah.
theo von
Fentanyl?
joe rogan
Fentanyl.
theo von
That's unreal.
joe rogan
Yeah, it's unreal.
And most of the time people getting it, they don't think they're getting fentanyl.
They want to get ecstasy or they want to get, you know, whatever.
Whatever they're trying to get.
Coke.
And they're getting it laced.
theo von
Well, I had six friends during the pandemic that passed away.
unidentified
Really?
theo von
Not best friends, but...
joe rogan
From fentanyl?
theo von
Friends from overdosing.
unidentified
Jesus.
theo von
Because I was worried about whenever they started that.
I was like, well, if they close all these recovery meetings and everything closed.
And it went to Zoom.
But it's not the same as human connection.
So you saw a lot of people get disconnected, man.
joe rogan
Are you still going to meetings?
theo von
It's really scary.
Yeah.
I'm going back right now.
I'd kind of fallen off that path for a while.
And then I did that ayahuasca.
And that was really interesting because it like...
Brought up like a lot of like feelings and stuff, but you're kind of just going into old feelings.
joe rogan
Yeah?
theo von
Yeah.
joe rogan
Is that what it did for you?
theo von
Yeah, it brought up like, and memories and feelings of things that had happened when I was younger, things I'd never even known about, you know, kind of interesting.
joe rogan
Memories that you didn't know you had?
theo von
Feelings attached to memories that I didn't know had affected me.
joe rogan
Really?
theo von
Yeah.
joe rogan
Like how so?
theo von
Like I remember when I was like, I guess 10 or something, my brother moved away and my mom let him go live with my grandparents, right?
He wanted to go.
I guess it like really made me sad, right?
And I didn't know.
You know, I know I love my brother and stuff like that, but I didn't know that I'd felt really, and that came up out of nowhere.
Like I had no idea.
So that memory and feeling with it came up like, you know, just like a bubble coming up out of soup, you know?
joe rogan
Oh, so like you had suppressed that memory and you didn't realize you suppressed it, and then the ayahuasca brought it up and said, hey, this is a source of your sadness.
theo von
Yeah.
And it gets it kind of out of you, so you're able to kind of process it, so, you know...
I mean, I was in a, you know, I did it right off the 101, you know?
joe rogan
You mean on the side of the 101?
theo von
Not on the side.
It was indoors.
Oh, a house.
It was like a garage, kind of adjacent, but it was nice in there.
joe rogan
Yeah.
theo von
But we had a big group of folks.
joe rogan
How many people?
theo von
Maybe 16. Did anybody freak out?
Nope.
unidentified
Really?
joe rogan
I've done DMT before with people that freaked out.
unidentified
Really?
theo von
Was it scary?
joe rogan
One of my buddies went nuts.
He took his shirt off, was running around screaming.
He was fighting it.
Yeah, he threw up in the sink and was screaming and fighting it.
theo von
My buddy Scott, we did mushrooms.
He thought he was Korean and locked himself in a closet for three hours.
unidentified
Whoa.
joe rogan
Why do you think he was Korean?
theo von
I don't know.
joe rogan
I wonder if he was in a past life.
theo von
We never even met a Korean, so I don't even know how he knew about it at the time.
unidentified
School?
joe rogan
Perhaps school?
theo von
I don't think they taught us.
joe rogan
Maybe he just got really into Korean culture and didn't want to let you know.
theo von
It blew my mind.
When he even mentioned it.
But that was just, you know, I think there's something in it.
Yeah, I don't know.
Some of that stuff's real interesting.
But anyway, so that kind of stuff, yeah, that ayahuasca journey was, you know, that's just wild, bro.
Because all, you know, these things come up.
And so anyway, like, yeah, some of that, like, you just kind of process through that kind of stuff.
joe rogan
Did it help you?
theo von
I think it did, but then it made me like, the thing I like about Sober Program I'm doing right now is just, there's like a daily thing.
It's like you can go every couple, you know, it's like, it's something that you can do every day.
joe rogan
And when you do it, you're going and you're talking to people about their struggles and being sober and their positive things and how long they've been sober.
Like, what happens?
theo von
Yeah, you listen to people.
So that's a good thing.
You go and you have to listen to people.
So you're getting out of your own head.
joe rogan
And everybody who does it has to talk?
theo von
No, they don't have to, but some of them can.
And so you can too if you want.
So you can share if something's in your head that's kind of bugging you, you get to share it.
So then it's like, it's not just in your head anymore, now it's out and suddenly it doesn't like affect you in your head anymore.
So, um, so those are two good things.
You're listening and you're talking in front of other people.
Makes you feel pretty normal.
And then, um, And then you have like a group, you know, you're seeing people, you're interacting more.
joe rogan
And so that's really nice.
And when you're listening, you're listening to other people do the same stuff that you're doing in terms of like staying sober, how you stay sober, how you avoid temptation, that kind of shit.
theo von
Yeah.
And for me, I don't even know if I have a drug alcohol issue.
I think my thing is more like an emotion, like feeling kind of issue, you know?
joe rogan
And so like you try to kill the emotions with the drugs or the alcohol?
theo von
Yeah, I think I just try to find my way away from them.
And it could almost be anything.
If you left me in here, I'd probably continue to hit that over the day.
You know, just every now and then.
joe rogan
You better do it again.
theo von
Just to check out, and I'm going to do it again in a minute.
joe rogan
Push it over to me.
theo von
But just something to kind of check out, you know?
Right.
joe rogan
Because being alone with your feelings is troublesome.
theo von
Yeah, it's just like...
Because I start to use, I realize sometimes my alcohol was almost my feelings.
Like I would use my feelings almost like alcohol.
Like if I had feelings, I would be like, oh let's keep feeling them, you know?
And I get stuck in this kind of like, oh this is how I feel all the time, you know?
And it's not good if you're not feeling great.
So...
joe rogan
So then you would just constantly dwell on feeling bad and it'd make you feel worse.
theo von
Right.
And some of that I would even be trying to do things to better myself.
I wasn't like laying at home.
I was actively trying to make myself better.
But I didn't realize that even then by like...
This has to get better.
This has to get better.
I'm still kind of dwelling on it.
joe rogan
And not being in the moment.
theo von
Right.
So then things like that that helped me the most, I think, are just like working out, associating with others, you know.
joe rogan
Working out's a big one, right?
theo von
It's fucking crazy, Joe.
It's crazy.
Because I didn't have any of this until I kind of...
You know, I know that a lot of this was probably in me from growing up, but I didn't have a lot of it until I think I really started not, you know, fitness kind of left out of my regular daily routine.
joe rogan
How'd you get back into it?
Like, what was the step?
It's like, a lot of times when people get out of stuff, it's very hard to get back in.
So, like, what made you get back in?
unidentified
Hmm.
theo von
I found just a good place to go.
joe rogan
So you were thinking, I should probably get in shape.
theo von
Right.
And I started going, and after a few days in a row, I was like, oh, this is good.
joe rogan
Then you get momentum, right?
You get, like, a routine.
theo von
Yeah.
And then I started, like, getting in this, I got this blue cube ice bath thing.
joe rogan
Yeah, that's what we have here.
We have one of those...
Right next door.
theo von
Yeah.
So I got in there and that started being like, alright, I don't like doing this, but I'm going to keep doing it.
joe rogan
So do you set it on purpose for the 50s?
Because that one goes down to 37 degrees.
theo von
Well, I'm trying to get down there.
joe rogan
So you make sure it's warmer than that.
Like you can adjust it.
theo von
Yeah, yeah.
But I'm just, you know, I'm just incrementally getting down.
joe rogan
So like 57, 56 next week, 55. Yeah, we'll be there in a while.
theo von
49. Hold on, bro.
unidentified
45 degrees.
Oh, Jesus.
theo von
I ain't looking for all that dark magic.
Come on, now you're fucked up.
unidentified
Mine at home goes to 33. I've seen your videos.
joe rogan
The morosco, 33, 34. Yeah.
theo von
Damn, that's too much.
joe rogan
It's rough.
It's like I gotta climb in under the ice to lift up big sheets of ice and climb under them.
theo von
Yeah.
joe rogan
Really?
theo von
You're lying.
joe rogan
No, no, no.
There's a video of it.
There's a video of me from my Instagram.
theo von
That's too much.
joe rogan
There's a giant chunk of ice.
He can find it.
There's a giant chunk of ice that I pick up.
It's big.
It's like two feet long.
theo von
That's too much, man.
joe rogan
And I climb into the thing and...
theo von
And bitch, when I get in there, baby, it's just that little, you know, it's that little Christmas skillet, bro.
That bitch is ice cold.
joe rogan
Yeah.
unidentified
Just...
joe rogan
This is a different kind of numbing cold.
It's freezing cold.
But when you get out, you feel so good.
Mm-hmm.
theo von
Oh, I'm making my way.
I'm making my way, Joe.
Yeah, look at that.
joe rogan
So here's me.
Oh, hi, everybody.
So I'm climbing right out of the sauna.
See all the ice in there?
So it's me coming.
I worked out, and then I went.
And they usually do this.
So look at this chunk of ice.
See that shit?
I usually do this right after cardio.
So this is like a cardio session.
theo von
Wow, dude.
joe rogan
Yeah.
theo von
You look like one of those turkeys when they tie it up and it gets all kind of lined out.
joe rogan
What?
theo von
You know what I'm talking about?
When they put that rope around that ham and it's got all the fucking...
joe rogan
Oh, my six-pack?
unidentified
Yeah.
theo von
Damn!
joe rogan
It's called working out, son.
unidentified
Yeah, it is, bro.
I didn't know what that endgame could be like, baby.
That's freaking wild, dude.
theo von
Congratulations, man.
joe rogan
Just keep working out and you'll get there too.
theo von
Yeah, so yeah, but yeah, everything is...
I'm feeling good, man.
joe rogan
That thing is really good for depression too.
It's really good for anxiety too.
The epinephrine, norepinephrine that you get from heavy cold exposure is really good for your mental state as well.
It's really good for people.
And it's also like a very serious struggle because the three minutes that you do, I think that day I did three.
Sometimes I do five, but that's the most I do now.
I did 20 once.
I don't recommend that.
theo von
I'm doing 11 right now.
joe rogan
I was fucked up for a few days.
11 at 50-something.
That's good.
Yeah, that's probably plenty.
If you're doing 11 at 50-something degrees, that's probably all the benefits that I'm getting doing three at 34 or whatever it is.
But it's great for your mind.
You get out, you feel happier and more peaceful.
theo von
Oh, I feel fucking ready, dude.
joe rogan
Yeah, it's such a struggle because it's a real life or death struggle.
When you're in there and it's 34 degree water and you're in there for three to five minutes, that is a real life or death struggle because by the end of it, I'm shaking.
Like my body's shaking under the water and I'm like, 30 more seconds, 30 more seconds.
And now, what I do is if I do hot, cold, hot, cold, I always finish on cold, because I let my body reheat itself naturally.
theo von
Yeah, I like it, man.
What I like about it is I'm doing something I don't want to do.
Every time I start doing things I don't want to do, I grow.
Yes!
joe rogan
That's a lesson that people need to hear and learn.
It's so important because everybody just wants to be comfortable.
Everybody wants to sit on the couch.
I don't want to go outside.
It's cold.
I don't want to do this.
It's hot.
You've got to do things that you don't want to do because you show your body that your mind is the boss.
Your mind is telling your body what to do and then you have control.
theo von
Yeah, Dustin texted me one day, Poirier texted me, he's like, you can't wait for everything to be okay to live your life.
You ever get a text from somebody who says one of those moments where it fucking gets through to you, you know?
And I was like, fuck yeah, man.
joe rogan
That's a very poignant, and obviously coming from a guy like him, who is...
I mean accomplished incredible things and done so in one of the most difficult things to accomplish incredible things like he's a fighter a fucking cage fighter at the highest level of the game talking about a guy who knocked out Conor McGregor you know he's a beast oh yeah so like his ability to like get things done is exceptional yeah you know he's an exceptional person and so his understanding of that fact That you can't just wait for things to get perfect.
You just go out and do stuff.
I always tell people that about working out.
Fuck your motivation.
Fuck your motivation.
You need discipline.
Because motivation's not there every day.
I'm missing motivation most days.
theo von
Wow, really?
joe rogan
Some days, yeah, sometimes I got motivation.
Sometimes I'm like, fuck yeah, today I felt good.
I can't wait to get to the gym.
But a lot of days I'm like, gotta get to the gym.
And then once I get going, then I feel great.
unidentified
Yeah.
joe rogan
And I feel great when it's over.
But it's that beginning part that's hard because your body wants to stay comfortable.
Your body will trick you like, man, today should take the day off, Theo.
unidentified
Yeah.
joe rogan
I feel good.
Theo, what did you get, like six hours sleep last night?
That's not enough.
theo von
Oh, yeah, that thing, whatever that is, that guy lives on my shoulder.
That little sleepy guy?
That motherfucker.
Dude, I might have a twin that never separated, baby, because that fella's chatty.
That's a lot of people.
joe rogan
A lot of people have that chatty guy telling you to take naps.
theo von
Yeah.
joe rogan
Telling you to eat that piece of cake.
theo von
Yeah, so that kind of stuff's been helping me, man.
But I'm feeling, yeah, I'm excited, man.
I'll probably go back on tour later this year.
Yeah?
joe rogan
You've been writing a lot?
unidentified
Yeah.
theo von
Yeah, I've been doing a lot and I just got off a tour.
I just I've been touring for like 16 years, you know, so like I just took You know, my last tour date was a month ago, but I think I want to take like another month off Do you write like physically write you sit in front of a computer?
joe rogan
Do you sit in front of a notebook?
theo von
Yep.
I'll sit in front of a computer and I'll go through.
I'll listen to some old sets, put more stuff in.
Oh, this was an add-on here that popped out of me.
A lot of it pops out of me on stage, though.
joe rogan
Yeah, isn't that interesting when things do that?
That's why it's so important to record.
theo von
That's the magic, baby.
joe rogan
Yeah.
You're in that moment.
You're in that weird moment where you've got people laughing and you're in the groove.
You're in that zen moment.
Yeah, isn't that best?
theo von
I love that, man.
And that's what I miss, I think, sometimes about the way the store a little bit, you know, or not miss about it, but it's like, that's what was perfect.
That was what was awesome about it.
It was just like such a, it was a fun group there.
joe rogan
Yeah, it was a fun group there.
theo von
And that was a vibe, man.
But yeah, I'll probably get back out a little bit later this year and do some more dates.
joe rogan
Have you done any sets at the store?
theo von
Yeah, I've done some.
joe rogan
Yeah?
theo von
Yeah.
joe rogan
What's it like there?
theo von
I'm still like back in LA probably four months out of the year.
joe rogan
Oh yeah?
theo von
Yeah.
joe rogan
Do you have an apartment?
theo von
I still have my same apartment.
joe rogan
Oh, that's nice.
theo von
Yeah.
joe rogan
So you can go back anytime you want.
It's your place.
It's not like you're staying in a hotel.
theo von
Right.
unidentified
That's nice.
That's nice.
theo von
Yeah, I chose to do that.
That's been good.
joe rogan
It's a little sketchy there now, isn't it?
theo von
Yeah, it's just different, I guess.
joe rogan
A little touch and go on those streets.
theo von
Yeah, it gets a little risque out there.
You want to bring your silverware, even when you're going for a wall.
joe rogan
They're handing out concealed carry permits in LA. Are they?
Yeah, they give them to you now.
theo von
Did they always do that?
joe rogan
Uh-uh.
It was hard to get one before.
Real hard to get one.
It turned down a lot of people.
You'd have a real threat.
You'd own a jewelry store.
theo von
Do you feel like we're headed to that place where it's just going to be the Wild West again?
Because, like, is it going to get so strange that, like, security is just going to be like a privatized thing mostly?
Like, what's going to happen?
joe rogan
It could.
I think most likely people are going to get fed up and they're going to elect some officials and some government people that come in and clean it up.
That's what they did in New York City.
That's when Giuliani took over New York City and cleaned it up.
LA's going to have to...
There's this guy, Rick Caruso, who's running for mayor in LA, and he's a big-time developer.
And he's basically saying, look, in one year, I can put most of the homeless situation, get those people to shelters, house them, take care of them, and get them off the streets.
And these people aren't doing that now.
And he wants that to be a number one priority.
Because if you're a guy who's a real estate developer and you're developing a project and across the street from you there's like 80 tents, that's not good for business.
It's not good for those people either.
It's not good for anyone.
And they're being ignored and in fact even encouraged because there's laws that protect them and make it easier for them to live like that.
And downtown LA is fucking Mad Max right now.
I mean, I don't know if you've seen any of the more recent videos of downtown LA? Holy shit, man.
theo von
No, we saw a guy with a sword in Albuquerque.
I think I told you about that, though.
We saw a guy with a sword that's protecting the streets one night.
joe rogan
Was he like Dracula?
That sword?
That kind of sword?
theo von
This dude was...
It was crazy!
The guy's walking down the street with a fucking, you know...
joe rogan
With a sword.
theo von
Yeah, and he had it like, you know, like how it's...
joe rogan
Oh, like a samurai.
theo von
Yeah.
joe rogan
Like he was ready to go.
theo von
And he was not a licensed samurai.
There's no way this guy was.
He was like 6'4".
joe rogan
Well, you can't be a tall samurai?
theo von
I don't think so.
unidentified
Why not?
theo von
Think about it, man.
unidentified
We hope.
theo von
Oh, let's all hide.
Oh, Danny.
joe rogan
Huh?
theo von
You're like, oh, let's all hide.
Oh, fucking Danny's here.
You know, tall ass.
joe rogan
Well, I think Samurais weren't ninjas.
You're thinking of ninjas, not Samurais.
theo von
Oh, yeah, maybe I'm thinking of ninjas, but yeah.
joe rogan
Samurais don't hide.
They're coming to fuck you up.
theo von
Oh, yeah.
Then this guy would probably be good then.
joe rogan
Yeah, he'd be perfect.
Got a nice reach.
unidentified
Yeah.
theo von
Yeah, I didn't think about that.
He just looked like he was just reaching for, I don't know, just reaching for the Lord, man.
It's got one doing super good.
joe rogan
Reaching for the Lord.
theo von
It was middle of the night.
Yeah, we'd done a show there, and it was just, I mean, it's Albuquerque.
It's wild.
You know, the aliens are on the ground.
joe rogan
You think?
theo von
Yeah, I did.
joe rogan
Do you think the aliens are in New Mexico?
theo von
I mean, dude, yeah, bro, go to Albuquerque.
joe rogan
Roswell.
theo von
Roswell.
joe rogan
That's where they crashed.
theo von
Well, if they crashed, they all fucking, they rented cars and drove over to Albuquerque.
They're there.
joe rogan
Do you believe they're visiting us?
theo von
I believe that we're them, that they're us, just from way in the future.
joe rogan
I think so, too.
I'm glad you said that.
A lot of people have been saying that lately.
I think that's a thing that people kind of have in the back of their head, that that's where we're gonna be.
That's what we're gonna do.
We're gonna look like that one day.
theo von
Well, yeah, you look at Facebook, you know, at Mark, and you look at Elon, you look at a lot of these guys who are, you know, mentally on the edge kind of computer humans, you know, and their wadis are white, and they look just like an alien, you know, they have a very, they're as close as we're getting.
joe rogan
Well, I think if you look at like ancient man, like ancient hominids, they were muscular and hairy, and you look at people today, they're doughy and spindly, and they're moving towards that general direction.
I think that's what, when we look at that alien, that Steven Spielberg, Close Encounters of the Third Kind type alien, that's like an archetypal image that we have in our consciousness.
I think we recognize that that's where we're going.
And then we're going to be connected to technology in some very bizarre way.
And we're most likely going to be some sort of a cyborg.
theo von
Well, the thing you're thinking about aliens, you don't see them with no backpacks or no transistors or anything.
They're just...
joe rogan
Just chilling.
They're probably not even a biological creature anymore.
At a certain point in time, I think that's where life goes.
Life creates this sort of artificial life and then transitions to becoming it.
And I think life symbiotically attaches itself to technology and becomes a cyborg, some sort of a part biology, part computer.
And then it realizes that the biology is just in the way.
The biology part just wants to fuck and yell and cry.
You're trying to create black holes.
I don't have time for this.
You're all over there in the corner crying.
theo von
Yeah, that kind of stuff's going to be so archaic, dude.
joe rogan
You know what's going to be really fucked?
Instagram influencers are trying to motivate you.
You've got to get out there and chase your dreams.
The world's not waiting for you.
You know, they're doomed.
unidentified
Yeah.
joe rogan
Those people, you know, it's a dying market.
theo von
Is it?
joe rogan
Yeah.
What are you going to do?
You know, motivate people when everybody can see through walls and read minds?
unidentified
Yeah.
joe rogan
Like, this shit ain't going to work.
theo von
Yeah, that's true.
And also, contractors will have to fucking really step their game up.
unidentified
Contractors?
theo von
Just if people are seeing through walls and stuff, people are going to be like, hey, man.
You know.
The neighbors know.
joe rogan
Yeah, the neighbors know.
Well, I think the neighbors are going to know because everyone's going to be able to know what everyone's doing.
I think in the future, there will be no privacy.
I think that is one thing.
Right now, there's no real privacy in terms of the government 100% can listen to your phone.
You know, I've had people that were, like Gavin DeBecker, who's a real security expert, and he was talking to me about Pegasus.
And Pegasus was the system that they developed, they used on- Oh, on the astronaut.
They used on Jeff Bezos.
theo von
Oh.
joe rogan
That's how Jeff Bezos, remember when Jeff Bezos had, like, photos and text messages, and they used it to, like, embarrass him, and it was about him and his girlfriend?
theo von
Yeah, yeah.
joe rogan
Remember that?
theo von
Yeah.
joe rogan
Well, they got that through this Pegasus system.
So someone sent him a WhatsApp.
The MBS from Saudi Arabia sent him a WhatsApp message.
And that WhatsApp message had inside of it a link.
unidentified
Totally.
joe rogan
That he clicked on, and that link downloaded Pegasus onto his phone, and then they got access to the entire details of his phone.
And through that, they got a hold of these text messages that he had with his girl, and then they made them public, and they tried to embarrass him.
theo von
Can TikTok take our text messages, you think?
joe rogan
Yes.
theo von
Oh, Jesus.
joe rogan
Yeah, I think they get everything.
I think they get all your recordings, all your audio.
They know what music you're listening to, what YouTube videos you're watching.
I think they get everything.
All the porn you're watching, all the porn you're watching.
theo von
I'm not watching any.
joe rogan
All of it.
Zero?
theo von
I've seen some.
But I haven't seen that much.
I mean, I don't think there's...
joe rogan
Are you into like stepsister porn?
No.
Stepmom porn?
I like the hot milfs.
theo von
Do you?
joe rogan
Yeah.
Like a hot 40-year-old who goes to the gym.
That's my kind of girl.
theo von
Ooh, yeah.
I'm trying to think of if I've made love to anybody like that in my life.
I don't know if I have or not.
joe rogan
What's your type?
theo von
I like probably volleyball chick.
joe rogan
A strong girl.
Athletic.
theo von
Yeah, some athleticism.
I like it.
Maybe has a family member that can't speak English that good.
joe rogan
Oh, okay.
Foreigners.
theo von
Foreigner or even mentally fucking unwell.
joe rogan
Happy to be here.
Oh, mentally unwell?
unidentified
You like that?
theo von
No, if somebody their family is.
joe rogan
Okay.
theo von
Because they're loving people.
Oh, right.
joe rogan
Because you're compassionate, because you have this family member.
theo von
Nurses.
joe rogan
Challenges.
Nurses.
Very kind people, right?
theo von
Yeah.
Nurses are really cool.
joe rogan
Some of them.
Some of them not so nice.
theo von
Yeah, Nurse Ratched.
Remember her?
joe rogan
Or Kathy Bates from Misery.
theo von
Typhoid Mary?
joe rogan
Wasn't she a nurse?
Wasn't Kathy Bates a nurse from Misery?
The Stephen King movie?
I don't remember if she was a nurse.
She broke James Caan's ankles.
Rest in peace, James Caan.
theo von
Oh, that movie, remember?
joe rogan
Yeah, Misery.
theo von
Oh, dude.
joe rogan
She's a former nurse.
unidentified
Yeah.
theo von
Thank God for Uber, huh?
joe rogan
Well, and then there was also that nurse.
There was one nurse that was killing all of her patients.
There was a nurse that they found there was a disproportionate number of people that were dying under her care.
theo von
They'll do that if you're not nice to them.
jamie vernon
There's 18 serial killer nurses who murdered their patients.
unidentified
There you go.
joe rogan
Whoa!
Jesus Christ!
That guy killed, hold on, go back up to that guy.
theo von
This dude.
joe rogan
Look at this.
Niles Hoegle may have killed more than 90 people.
February 2015, German nurse, how do you say, Hoegle, was jailed for two murders and several attempted murders at the Delmenhorst Hospital.
He would inject his patients with a cardiovascular drug to create a medical emergency and then step in to resuscitate them at the last moment.
Wow.
So he was just like thrill killing.
Oh my god, go back up to her.
theo von
That's back in the day, dog.
joe rogan
Amelia Dyer, but look at her face.
She looks like a lady who killed 400 people.
Amelia Dyer is one of the most notorious serial killers in history.
Although she was only convicted of 12 deaths, evidence suggests her true body count was at least 400. Her crimes took place during a 20-year time span in the late 1800s, and all of her victims were babies.
unidentified
Oh, man.
joe rogan
Oh my god.
theo von
What a frickin' cunt, dude.
unidentified
What a cunt.
theo von
If you're gonna attack babies...
joe rogan
Dyer was a trained nurse who turned to baby farming to make money.
Baby farming?
theo von
Yeah, it's like those puppy mills kind of.
joe rogan
She would offer to adopt or nurse a child in return for a fee, but then would typically terminate the babies within days by drugging them with opium-based substances or smothering them.
She actually served six months in prison for negligence in 1879, but Dyer wasn't arrested for her crimes until 1896. Her reign of terror finally ended permanently on June 10th, 1896. She was executed by hanging for the murder of 12 infants.
theo von
That's the past, man.
joe rogan
Holy fuck, man.
theo von
See, every time I try and romanticize the past, you gotta think there was some frickin' crazy folks out there.
joe rogan
This is the best time to be alive.
Fuck the past.
theo von
Yeah, you always say that.
I like that.
joe rogan
This is the best time to be alive.
theo von
It's a good thing, huh?
joe rogan
Yeah.
Listen, there's troubles and trials and tribulations, and there's difficulties in today's life, but it's also a time of unprecedented information and kindness.
unidentified
Oh, no.
joe rogan
This is a fucked up article.
Oh, my God.
Daniela Pogiali ended her patients and then took selfies with them.
So she killed them and then took selfies.
Italian nurse Daniela Pogiali allegedly killed at least 90 of her patients on purpose because they were bothersome.
Interesting word while she vehemently denied the charges the Italian government thought otherwise and charged her in 2014 with her crimes Not only was Poggioli present for 96 deaths during a time as a nurse a very high number according to authorities But she also took selfies with her deceased patients Police say she stole money and jewelry Oh my god.
theo von
But do you think that's just a sign of the times?
Like, these people get selfies with anything, all the time.
So it's like, do you think it's just like, oh, they died, I'm also getting the selfie?
I guess if you do it that much, then it's obvious that you want to be a bad person.
joe rogan
Well, I think she's a sick bitch, and she was like, she's killing them.
The selfies is not that creepy in comparison to just the fact that she's killing them.
theo von
Yeah.
I wonder how you get...
I mean, if we can test people for that.
But dude, then all those shows, Dateline, all that's gonna be a wrap, bro.
Like, I've wanted more people to kill people.
joe rogan
Just so you have more of those shows to watch?
theo von
Fucking hate to say that.
joe rogan
I think there's plenty of stories from the past.
theo von
No, I've seen them all.
They'll repackage them.
Everybody knows it, bro.
We need new content.
We need people to break in.
joe rogan
Okay, why do women like those shows so much?
Women love those serial killer shows.
theo von
I've always thought, and this is going to come back to haunt me, that a lot of women want to be murdered.
Or want to have a man show up.
Because it's the closest thing to that knight in shining armor.
But it's like, it's a man shows up.
It's like, at night it has all this mystery to it.
joe rogan
Do you think that's why they like vampires?
unidentified
That's close.
theo von
Think about that.
joe rogan
Like Twilight.
Remember how many women were in love with the Twilight thing?
theo von
Yeah.
joe rogan
Yeah.
Robert Pattinson.
He was a handsome, beautiful vampire.
theo von
Yeah, dude.
I mean, think about it.
It's like it's a mystery.
They're there at night.
There's romance.
The stars are in the sky.
joe rogan
Spats and shit.
theo von
And they want to be, you know, it's like a lot of times there's a potential of sex.
There's danger.
And they protect you.
joe rogan
They don't kill you.
They kill everybody else.
That's why women love serial killers.
Like, women have this crazy thing for serial killers.
Whenever there's a serial...
Not all women.
theo von
Yeah, email them.
joe rogan
Clearly, not all women.
But there's some very disturbed women that are sexually aroused and attracted to serial killers.
theo von
And what they want, you think?
Sex from them?
joe rogan
They want sex from them, and I think they're attracted to someone who kills people.
I think this probably goes back...
theo von
Businessman.
joe rogan
No, I think it probably goes back to the time where you needed a man that is capable of killing people to protect you.
Because there's some people that are just not capable of like dealing with the idea it's him or me and we're gonna fight with a sword.
theo von
Right.
joe rogan
Right?
But the guy who can do that and come out on top, that's the guy who, you want his genes.
Because your children have a better chance of success.
theo von
Survival, yeah.
joe rogan
So there's probably like this twisted genetic reason why women are attracted to killers.
theo von
Yeah, that's why they have those fantasies, the rape-murder fantasies.
I mean, I'm not saying, you know, I probably shouldn't say that really, but it's like...
joe rogan
No, but it's a commonly known reality.
theo von
Yes, that's a fantasy.
joe rogan
It's a twisted fantasy, but it's a thing.
theo von
Yeah.
Like they don't have like the, yeah.
There's not like a stay-at-home dad fantasy.
You know, it's like...
They have a real fantasy, man.
joe rogan
There's no stay-at-home dad.
I have a friend who just got divorced from her husband who's a stay-at-home dad, and she was just...
At the end, she had enough, this dude.
unidentified
Wow.
Yeah.
joe rogan
And then she said to me, she was like, do you know any men, like manly men to set me up with?
Like she wanted a fucking man.
unidentified
Yeah.
joe rogan
She was coming to me because she was hoping that I knew like some UFC fighter or something.
theo von
I'll get in there.
joe rogan
Set her up.
You ready?
unidentified
Huh?
joe rogan
Are you ready for it?
theo von
I'll do my best.
joe rogan
It's a lot of responsibility.
You can't say I'm going to do my best.
theo von
Okay, sorry.
Yes, I am ready.
joe rogan
Fuck yeah, I'm ready.
theo von
Fuck yeah!
joe rogan
Yeah, no, this one, when you say, are you ready, Theo?
theo von
Are you ready?
joe rogan
I'm going to say, I'm her.
I'm asking you.
Are you ready, Theo, to be a real man with me?
theo von
Fuck yeah.
joe rogan
I'm not believing it.
unidentified
Damn, I thought it was pretty fucking good, man.
theo von
I almost believed it.
joe rogan
Nah, there's some fucking doubt in your voice.
unidentified
Hold on, hold on, hold on.
theo von
Let's have it one more time.
All right.
joe rogan
All right, I'll ask you again.
I'll do it in a girl's voice.
Maybe it'll make you feel better.
unidentified
Theo, are you ready to be a real man with me?
theo von
Fuck yeah.
joe rogan
Nope.
Not buying it.
At all.
unidentified
Damn, what?
Not buying it at all.
joe rogan
If I was a cop, I'd arrest you for lying.
unidentified
Oh, come on, bro.
Dang, y'all.
theo von
I thought I did pretty good, man.
joe rogan
No, no, no.
You're just not used to it.
theo von
Yeah.
joe rogan
Try it on me.
theo von
All right.
Hey, Joe, are you ready to be a real man?
joe rogan
Fuck yeah.
theo von
Dang, boy, I did hit a little.
joe rogan
Yeah, it's real.
theo von
Alright.
Let me try you one more time, alright?
Like I just, something happened to me, alright?
Okay.
Like I just came in from the rain.
joe rogan
Okay.
Thunder.
theo von
Hey, Joe.
Are you ready to be a real man?
joe rogan
Um, depends on what you want from me.
Why are you wet?
Do you own an umbrella?
Did your car break down?
Like, what the fuck is going on?
theo von
Okay, so now I see I don't want to be that guy.
joe rogan
Now you're a trouble.
unidentified
Right.
joe rogan
You're a problem.
theo von
I'm a problem if I'm that guy.
joe rogan
You might be one of them gals who comes in wet all the time.
theo von
Yeah.
joe rogan
Like you never figure out umbrellas.
Your car's always getting a flat tire.
You're annoying.
theo von
You're just cleaning your glasses off.
joe rogan
You're a problem.
unidentified
Yeah.
theo von
But also, if I'm that guy who's just like a bunch of quits, like, I just want to be the fuck yeah guy.
Fuck yeah.
Fuck yeah.
joe rogan
Yeah.
You gotta think fuck yeah like you already have a heart on.
theo von
Fuck yeah.
joe rogan
Yeah, that was real.
unidentified
Yeah.
joe rogan
That felt real.
Like, you think of yourself as you're already rock hard, purple helmet, ready to go.
theo von
Fuck yeah.
unidentified
Woo!
theo von
Fuck yeah.
joe rogan
Take a sniff of this and then tell me.
unidentified
Here he goes!
joe rogan
Here he goes, folks!
theo von
One more hit, baby.
Shake it up!
unidentified
Shake it up!
jamie vernon
You ready to be a real man?
unidentified
Get in there!
joe rogan
I feel alone.
Give it to me.
jamie vernon
Do it.
joe rogan
I'm gonna do it.
Give me some.
Here we go.
theo von
Fucking yeah.
joe rogan
Get in there, Joseph!
No, I didn't get it.
theo von
Get in there!
Are you ready to be a real man?
unidentified
Woo!
joe rogan
The first one I didn't really get, but the second one I got a full blast.
Look at my eyes.
theo von
Fuck yeah.
unidentified
Fuck yeah!
joe rogan
Put the lid on that, son.
theo von
Fuck no, son.
I'm gonna do one more.
joe rogan
Oh my god!
jamie vernon
You're going to hurt yourself.
unidentified
It still like lingers.
joe rogan
It's like attached to my nostril hair.
unidentified
I can taste it.
joe rogan
Get in there, Jamie.
You need to get a hit of this.
I'm tired of your bullshit.
theo von
Make that fucking pussy pop, son.
Get in there, dawg.
joe rogan
He's like watching us suffer.
theo von
I know.
I want to see his elbows get hard.
unidentified
There he goes!
joe rogan
There he goes, dude!
theo von
There he goes!
joe rogan
I told you!
unidentified
He's moving his limbs, bro.
joe rogan
He's doing karate over there.
That new one's different.
jamie vernon
It felt like I sniffed chlorine.
unidentified
Yeah, yeah, yeah.
joe rogan
That new one's different.
theo von
That's what God wanted for you, son.
joe rogan
Yeah, yeah, yeah.
It's no joke.
You got right in front of you.
Right in front of you.
Tissue's right there, bro.
theo von
That's what God wanted for you.
joe rogan
Oh my god.
No joke.
No joke, right?
theo von
How high could people get a long time ago, you think?
joe rogan
I think they got real high.
Yeah, oof.
Look at Jamie.
He was like sitting there on the sidelines, mocking us.
theo von
I know.
joe rogan
You know, that's bullshit.
jamie vernon
It felt like water with chlorine was just going through my nose.
joe rogan
It wasn't like a sniff.
jamie vernon
It wasn't air.
joe rogan
It was like a solid thing went in your nose, right?
theo von
Oh yeah, it's like you work at a wave pool, dude, with your face, man.
That shit's hardcore.
joe rogan
It's hardcore.
theo von
It's good.
joe rogan
I think people got real high back in the day.
I mean, there's a book, The Immortality Key, by this guy Brian Morescu, and he detailed how the ancient Greeks, during the Enlightenment, they were all drinking wine that was laced with psychedelics.
And they proved it.
They found these ancient pottery vessels, and they did samples on them, and they found LSD in them, lysergic acid.
It wasn't like LSD, it was ergot, which is very similar.
It produces LSD-like effects.
theo von
And that's what helped them think of all that stuff?
joe rogan
Yes, 100%.
Not only that, but during the podcast, because of the podcast and because of his book, because he came on the podcast, it was so popular, and the book sold like crazy, Harvard opened up a new field of study dealing with the ancient Greeks and the Enlightenment and psychedelic use.
theo von
Wow, man.
joe rogan
Yeah.
theo von
So psychedelics have probably helped things progress over time.
joe rogan
100%.
Think about what it did for you, how it opens up your feelings and thoughts and opens up your creativity.
For me, it's been a giant source of creativity.
It helps me so much.
Even just marijuana.
It helps me so much with writing and thinking about things.
And just...
Checking my own behavior to make sure that I'm proud of the way I think and talk and making me communicate with people that I might have had difficulties with or apologize or reach out to them if maybe we had a dispute or something like that.
The feeling that you want to resolve things.
Just being in touch with your feelings and in touch with your thoughts, and there's the opening of creativity.
It's also like the recognizing that having unresolved things in your head, they're not good for you.
theo von
Yeah.
joe rogan
Those things, they stay in your head.
You've got to resolve them.
And when you resolve them, then they go away.
This weight lifts off of your body.
But until that weight lifts off your body, you're going to carry those things around.
theo von
Well, that's the same thing that 12-step programs do.
It's like resentment.
You get to resentment and you heal all those.
joe rogan
And 12-step programs, that's another thing they do is you reach out and resolve things to people.
You apologize to people.
People that you might have wronged.
Hey, I'm sorry I stole that Coke from you.
You got to call them and tell them.
theo von
Yeah.
Yeah, so I think, yeah, it's just a good way.
It's almost a way of...
It's like a purging.
It's all interesting.
Different modalities people use to try and make themselves well or to keep tabs on themselves.
It's all real fascinating.
Yeah, it's real fascinating.
There's a lot of stuff.
There's stuff on the inside, stuff on the outside.
But, yeah, I'm glad to be alive and be able to keep trying stuff and keep competing against the world and against myself.
joe rogan
Yeah, keep getting better, right?
That's the big thing.
Just keep improving on the way you interface with reality, the way you interface with other people, the way you do your life, your job.
You get better on stage because of that too, right?
You get more freedom.
You feel like you're more yourself, more home with your own skin.
theo von
Oh, some of my last shows were some of my best, you know?
joe rogan
Really?
theo von
And it's funny because I used to think, man, I'll never be able to create stuff that's going to get me, you know, like, that's going to be even better than some of my previous stuff.
And then it's like...
Yeah, it just...
joe rogan
That's always the fear, right?
unidentified
Yeah.
joe rogan
Well, I'm in that right now because I'm getting ready to film.
And then once I film, I'm fucked.
You know, I'm out of weapons.
I gotta write all new shit.
theo von
It's like springtime.
joe rogan
But it's that feeling, that scary feeling of having to create new stuff that's exciting, man.
It's so good for you.
theo von
Yeah.
joe rogan
It's so important because it's growth.
And it's also, it's a rare art form where you get to start from scratch.
Whereas musicians, everybody wants to hear those old hits.
You know, play Free Bird.
People want to hear those old hits.
You could even do covers.
theo von
Yeah.
joe rogan
I mean, if you're a musician, you can fucking tour with other people's shit.
theo von
Yeah, you can.
joe rogan
You could go and do an arena, and you go, this is a song, I really love Bruce Springsteen's song, people start cheering.
That's awesome.
Shout out to Bruce.
theo von
We can't do that.
joe rogan
Can't do that.
No.
theo von
I wonder what that would be like if somebody just said, I'm going to do covers of all these people's things.
joe rogan
People have done stuff like that before.
We used to do a show in Stitches in Boston, Stitches Comedy Club, called Joe Biden Night.
This was back when Joe Biden had a dropout of his presidential run in 1988 because he got busted for plagiarizing.
theo von
Oh, I didn't know that.
joe rogan
Yeah.
Yeah.
He plagiarized Robert Kennedy Jr.'s dad.
theo von
Did he really?
joe rogan
Yeah.
theo von
Oh, wow.
joe rogan
Yeah, he plagiarized quite a few people.
It was so publicly known in 1988 that they had a night called Joe Biden night.
theo von
Damn.
joe rogan
And Joe Biden night was like, I would go up and do your act like, Jay got bit my cousin, so we'll see.
I'd be doing your act, and you would do my act, and that was like a night where guys would go up and do each other's acts.
theo von
Damn.
That's wild.
joe rogan
We called it Joe Biden night.
theo von
Was it fun?
joe rogan
It was fun.
Yeah.
I think I did Fitzsimmons' act.
theo von
Oh, he's funny?
unidentified
Yeah.
joe rogan
Oh, he's funny.
Funny as fuck.
And back in the day, Greg and I came up almost exactly at the same time.
I think he was a week earlier or a week after me, but within a week.
theo von
Yeah, man.
He's so funny.
I always enjoy seeing him.
He's like a- Great person.
Yeah.
He reminds me of Andy Capp.
Remember him from those cartoons?
joe rogan
He always has that Paperboy hat on.
I wear those hats a lot, too.
unidentified
Yeah.
joe rogan
I love those hats.
theo von
It's good.
joe rogan
Greg is the best.
He's just such a good guy, and he's so funny.
And the way he laughs, you can make Greg laugh.
He laughs like his whole body.
Yeah.
unidentified
Yeah.
joe rogan
He's one of those guys.
theo von
Yeah, it's funny seeing people laugh, man.
joe rogan
Yeah.
theo von
It's such a strange thing that someone that we move and make a sound.
joe rogan
Oh, yeah.
I mean, think about a show when you really kill.
Like last night, we had a killer show last night.
unidentified
Oh, my God.
joe rogan
It was so much fun.
Last night was just...
There's those nights where it's just popping.
Last night, it was popping!
And in the middle of it, I was watching these guys just crying, laughing.
They were slapping the table, and they were trying to catch their breath.
And I was like, I ain't even going to hit you with the best lines yet.
And here comes the next one!
Boom!
And then on top of that, you're compounding.
Bang, bang, bang!
And they walk out of there, they feel better.
Like, you feel better.
You walk out of there, they're like, God, I feel better, man.
theo von
That's like an ayahuasca.
It's like a release of things that all just kind of shakes you.
It's interesting, all the little things that are built into life and into the world to help us take care of ourselves.
joe rogan
It's a strange state.
The state of laughter.
theo von
Yeah, because you shake, and you didn't even plan on doing it.
joe rogan
You start laughing.
Your body's shaking.
Sometimes you can't breathe.
You know?
Sometimes someone will say something and you didn't see it coming.
And you're like, oh shit!
Oh shit!
theo von
Yeah.
I remember a dude came out of the closet one time at one of my shows.
He was just like, I'm gay!
And just fucking right in the front row, dude.
unidentified
And his buddies were like, Patrick, chill out, man!
Really?
joe rogan
Yeah!
theo von
Have another beer, dude!
You're out of your fucking mind, man!
joe rogan
What were you talking about that made him yell that out?
unidentified
Do you remember?
theo von
No, I don't remember.
No, this was about seven or eight years ago.
joe rogan
So it was just the laughter moved him to honesty.
unidentified
Okay!
joe rogan
Do you think he had to explain that to his friends afterwards?
theo von
I mean, yeah, well, he ordered two beers immediately.
joe rogan
He did?
theo von
Yeah.
joe rogan
Wow.
theo von
I think he just wanted to frickin' just put that damp tiger back in the cage, you know?
unidentified
The damn tiger!
theo von
He wasn't ready to be full-time gay, man.
I don't think he was ready for it.
joe rogan
But he wanted to get that monkey off his back, huh?
theo von
Shook it out of him.
joe rogan
Yeah, he wanted to get that freedom.
theo von
God.
joe rogan
That's got to be the worst.
That's one of the things that drives me the most crazy and makes me the most angry about homophobia, that it robs people of freedom.
It robs people of their life to just be who they are.
theo von
Yeah.
Imagine if a dad was saying all kinds of anti-gay stuff and then your kid is there and the kid is gay or even thinking about it.
Or if he has a gay friend, now he's afraid to even introduce his dad to his friend.
joe rogan
I think there's a lot of guys that say a lot of anti-gay stuff because they have gay feelings and they're angry.
They're angry at those feelings.
The guys that are mad about gay people...
You know, there's people that'll, like, say gay things because they think it's funny, but then there's people that'll be angry about gay people to get mad.
And those people, I'm always, like, suspect.
I'm like, why are you mad?
theo von
Yeah.
joe rogan
Why are you mad at why someone loves someone else?
Like, what...
What is it about you being mad that someone is sexually attracted to someone that's of the same sex?
There's so many people that are like that.
It's so easy to find them now.
If you were on an app, if you wanted to get some gay sex, gay guys can find each other now.
This is not like you didn't know.
I don't want to put myself out there.
It's accepted.
It's a normal thing now.
It's like the social stigma of it is almost all gone.
With modern society, with most polite society.
theo von
Dude, we used to get high when we were kids, and we'd go outside and get high, and then I'd come back in early into my buddy's house, and I would tell his dad, and I would be like, oh, Mr. Mike, man.
Because his dad had a lot of anti-gay energy, you know?
unidentified
Really?
theo von
Yeah, and he would just say stuff, all that, you know, like, queers, just say stuff, you know, just like, ignorant shit, you know?
joe rogan
Did he have his pants off when he did that?
theo von
I didn't see anything like that.
But I'd go, I'd come in after we'd been out there smoking weed, I'd come in, and I'd be like, Mr. Mike, man, they were being...
I don't know, Richard was over, and people were just being kind of...
unidentified
Touchy-feely.
theo von
Yeah, it was just real strange out there.
joe rogan
Did you beat him?
Did you beat him?
theo von
Yeah, bro.
So then, dude...
My friends, Adam, would come back inside, man, and his dad would be like, what in the fuck have you boys been doing out there?
You've been queering around.
joe rogan
Queering as a verb is very funny.
theo von
Oh, you've been queering around, boys?
And he was just, yeah, I mean, just lighting into it, dude, and I would be dying with laughter.
And they were so high, they didn't know how to explain that they hadn't been, you know, queering.
unidentified
Oh, because they're so high and you set them up!
joe rogan
Do you feel bad about that?
theo von
I feel great about it.
That shit was some of the fun.
I loved creating an ambiance in advance, man.
joe rogan
Oh, so you knew it was coming.
theo von
And they had a gas leak over at that house too, man.
And we'd go over there, bro.
We'd sleep from fucking Friday night to Sunday morning, bro.
unidentified
Really?
theo von
Oh, bro.
I never slept so good, dude.
I woke up fucking four years old at that point.
I miss it.
God, that was good.
joe rogan
Good old days.
theo von
Sleeping when you just had so much time to kill.
Time doesn't feel like you can kill it anymore, does it?
joe rogan
No.
Too many responsibilities.
Yeah.
When I wake up, I wake up with like a certain sense of dread because I got so much shit to do.
theo von
Yeah.
joe rogan
You know, when I wake up, I'm like, okay.
I'm like, I'd like to relax and have a cup of coffee and just sort of slowly work my way into the day, but I can't.
unidentified
I gotta go.
Gotta go.
Gotta go.
theo von
And a moment doesn't have as much value.
A moment used to be something that you could never replicate.
Now, since everything's kind of captured, you know, and everything's recorded and stuff, it's like a moment is, uh, it doesn't feel the same, you know?
joe rogan
It kind of does after a while, though, because let me tell you something, because I capture so many moments and so many moments of mine, so many conversations of mine like this one are out there forever that it's normal to me.
That's normal to me.
theo von
Yeah, I guess maybe I don't mean like in podcasts.
I guess I just mean like a moment used to feel like it couldn't be captured.
joe rogan
Oh, right.
unidentified
Right.
joe rogan
It was you just like, wow.
theo von
This happened.
joe rogan
Appreciate this.
theo von
Yeah, there's this.
Like something would happen like, oh, fuck, bro.
What if we could have captured?
That would have been insane.
And so there was so much like the moment just had, and I don't know if they have them, you know, it's just less of that now because we have the ability to capture.
It's okay.
joe rogan
It's just interesting.
There are some moments we look back and you're like, God, that was fun.
theo von
Yeah.
joe rogan
What a great moment.
theo von
But now we're either making, we're either recording something or we're watching something.
I feel like we're always caught in the circle.
Especially us, too, because we work in this world.
unidentified
Right.
Right.
joe rogan
Do you feel better being outside of Hollywood?
Do you feel better having moved to Nashville?
Do you feel less pressure from the machine?
You know what I'm saying?
Like the show business machine?
theo von
Yeah, I feel...
I feel like, oh, I remember what it's like to be in a normal place.
joe rogan
Right.
theo von
Because that's totally...
I mean, even being here in Austin, it's a totally different energy.
joe rogan
That's what I love.
theo von
So I remember that.
And then also, it's like, I feel like I've had more opportunities to do...
Hollywood-type things from, you know, since I haven't even been there.
Like, me and Spade wrote a script together, which is really fun, you know?
Like, I don't know.
It's like I've just kind of been able to pick and choose.
I haven't felt any pressure of Hollywood, kind of.
joe rogan
Is Spade still in L.A.? Yeah, he's still in L.A. Who has moved?
How many people have moved?
Dylan, Tom Segura, Christina Pozitzki, Tony Hinchcliffe.
theo von
And Dylan moved back, though.
joe rogan
Yeah, but he still has a house here.
theo von
Oh, yeah.
joe rogan
Yeah.
He hasn't really moved back.
He has places all over the place.
unidentified
Who else?
theo von
Steve Byrne?
joe rogan
You know, his early days, he was a real estate guy.
Yeah, so he's got a bunch of properties he's picked up.
theo von
Oh, interesting.
joe rogan
Yeah, he's a smart dude, man.
theo von
Who, Tim Dillon?
joe rogan
Yeah, smart dude.
theo von
Oh, yeah, he's real interesting.
Yeah, he's very smart.
He's like a real news guy, too.
joe rogan
Oh, he's on top of things.
I'm always sending him some fucked up shit.
theo von
Yeah, he's great.
Who, Steve Byrne, Josh Wolfe.
I'm trying to think of other folks that have left.
joe rogan
Did they move to Nashville?
theo von
No, just different places.
joe rogan
Where did Byrne move to?
theo von
Oh, he moved to Nashville.
joe rogan
I thought he moved to Nashville?
Yeah.
theo von
Josh Wolf lives in Las Vegas.
joe rogan
How many other clubs are there except for Zanies in Nashville?
theo von
That's it.
joe rogan
That's it.
So it's kind of hard to get that regular stage time there.
theo von
Right.
So it's kind of like you just kind of take a break.
I mean, when you're working on touring, you're getting up at least a few nights a week.
And so I'll usually go to L.A. and practice for a couple of weeks and get things good and get things cruising.
joe rogan
Oh, so you get to L.A., get your reps in, and then go the road?
Yeah.
theo von
I'll be out there all of August just working on material and doing that.
It's good.
It feels good.
What else is going on?
Not much.
I have to pee so bad.
joe rogan
Alright, let's wrap it up.
theo von
You want to?
joe rogan
Yeah, it was fun.
We had a great time, brother.
And we're going to work together tomorrow night and Wednesday night.
theo von
Yeah, man, that sounds good.
joe rogan
And you're going to kill Tony tonight, too?
theo von
Yeah, you're going to be up there?
No.
joe rogan
No, I can't make it tonight.
theo von
What do y'all do on Mondays?
Do you have a thing you do at home?
joe rogan
No.
Not necessarily.
unidentified
Right.
joe rogan
Usually weekends is family time, but tonight is just chill.
theo von
Yeah.
unidentified
I haven't worked out today yet, so I'm going to work out and get out of here.
theo von
Well, after all the hits you just did, dude.
joe rogan
Yeah.
I'll do another juju mufu right before I do some squats.
theo von
Yeah, man.
Thanks.
Good to see you, bro.
Thanks for having me.
joe rogan
My pleasure, brother.
Always good to see you.
Always good to see you.
theo von
Always a pleasure.
I'm going to have to check it out here in Austin.
joe rogan
Do you have anything that you're promoting?
Anything people need to know about?
theo von
Um, not much.
I'll probably be getting some more tour dates up soon, but everything's good.
You can check me out on this past weekend and on King and the Sting.
joe rogan
King and the Sting and the Wing, right?
theo von
Yeah, King and the Sting and the Wing, that's true.
joe rogan
We got an extra now.
theo von
We got an extra now.
joe rogan
How is that?
Do you fly to LA to do those?
theo von
Yeah, and some I'll do on Zoom.
joe rogan
Oh, nice.
theo von
But I've even been cutting back.
I've just taken a little break.
Like, some episodes I've been taking off here and there.
I've been taking a little more break in my own episodes.
I've just been focusing on just feeling good.
joe rogan
I can see you gotta be real bad.
theo von
Can you?
joe rogan
Yeah, I can feel it.
I can feel your energy.
theo von
I can't ride this bag anymore.
joe rogan
Alright, let's wrap it up.
unidentified
Alright.
Bye, everybody.
theo von
Alright, praise.
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