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Joe Rogan Experience #1831 - Colion Noir
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joe rogan
Oh, so good to see you.
Always good to see you.
I wish I didn't see you so often after mass shootings though.
unidentified
Yeah.
joe rogan
Because it seems like so many times when there's a gun control...
Well, you're the first guy I always call.
Because I think you're the very best at explaining gun issues from, first of all, from a Second Amendment perspective, from an enthusiast perspective, and also you're a lawyer.
colion noir
Yeah.
joe rogan
So you understand the law aspect of it better than anybody that I know.
So I always want to talk to you when some shit is going down, but...
The current mass shooting, the most recent one, was...
It's like...
There's so many of them that it gets to a point where you go...
People almost just go numb.
Like, they don't know what to do.
And then there's a lot of scrambling and crying out for legislation.
colion noir
I think it's...
You know, one, no one can deny our media does a beautiful job memorializing everything about every mass shooting in terms of the killer, what we know about him, you know, for the most part, almost sensationalizing it.
And so there is something to be said that, you know...
Someone walking into a school, somebody walking into a building where you don't expect anything shooting a bunch of people deserves that type of attention.
I'm not going to be so naive.
That's to say that, you know, I don't get why anybody, why they cover it so much.
But there is an admitted sense of helplessness when these things happen.
Where it's like, okay, so what do we do?
What can we do?
I think the scapegoat route is gun control.
Because I think what it does is it gives us the immediate gratification of, alright, we did something, we passed this, alright, let's move on and hope it never happens again.
Problem is, though, it never touches the underlying issues about why people would do this.
This is weird.
It's fucking odd.
It's not normal for people to want to go out and just kill as many people as possible.
joe rogan
Not just that.
colion noir
Just kill children.
And that takes it to a whole new level.
unidentified
Yeah.
joe rogan
And this guy, I mean, obviously, there was something really wrong with him.
But the the thing about the killing the children is it's like it's That's why school shootings are so fucked because they're the most horrific version of a mass shooting because you're going after innocent little kids and this was the most evil and Then there's there's also so much to this one, right?
There's so much to the amount of time that the cops were outside that they didn't do anything because they didn't want to get shot and But that's just it, too, though, which is the weird thing for me.
colion noir
So we can acknowledge that in this situation, the same situation that happened in Florida, right?
The resource officer didn't go in in time when he could have probably stopped it sooner.
joe rogan
But at least that was one guy.
colion noir
True.
joe rogan
This is insane.
I mean, how many cops were outside that school?
colion noir
Jesus.
Enough that they should have probably went in without saying.
joe rogan
They were outside for 75 minutes.
unidentified
Yeah.
joe rogan
Could you imagine?
colion noir
But that's just it though, if you think about it.
The same people, not the same people, but then you'll have people who say, okay, well, we need to limit and restrict these guns.
But all that does is force us to depend on people who we've already established in a lot of situations aren't necessarily incapable of being there to protect us, or in situations like this, refusing to go in and protect us.
Now, I can see someone coming up on the other side saying something about, oh, so you want the kids to have guns there, too?
That's not what I'm saying.
joe rogan
Well, that's crazy.
colion noir
Yeah.
But what I am saying is...
why we need to have the firearms that we do have.
Because at the end of it, when it all boils down to it, the only person we can rely on to defend ourselves is us, is you.
Somebody walks in his door right now and does something, the only people in a position to stop it in enough time to make a difference is me, you, and...
joe rogan
And Jamie.
Yeah.
colion noir
So from that perspective, I try to keep things and break things down to that simplistic level so people can understand that instead of just kind of immediately reacting to, all right, let's ban this and let's ban that and let's ban this.
But we are talking about, like you said, a group of officers who stood outside while kids were being shot and killed.
joe rogan
Those guys should never be cops again.
colion noir
I'm going to have to agree with you in that regard.
Now, this is me not being in Uvalde, not knowing all of the intimate details about why they stood down, but at the end of the day, I have a hard time seeing what supersedes there's a guy in classrooms killing kids right now.
joe rogan
Well, you know about that mom, the mom that was arrested?
They cuffed her.
They released her.
She went back in, got her kids.
Fuck yeah.
Fuck yeah for her.
Horrible that she had to do that.
But the fact that they cuffed her.
That's fucking insane.
colion noir
That's utterly unacceptable.
joe rogan
I don't understand.
I just don't understand.
I mean, maybe I'm missing something, but nothing has been exposed.
Nothing has been explained.
colion noir
I think there's a part of me that wants to believe.
Right.
That there was some extenuating circumstance that justified.
And I don't see it.
Even my imagination, as vivid as it is, can't think of something that would substantiate or justify why they hadn't gone in.
joe rogan
Well, it's a perfect storm, right?
Because we're in a terrible time for law enforcement in that all this defund the police stuff has gotten people very skittish about I know cops that don't want to do things because they don't want to get in trouble.
They don't want to show up for things.
They want to wait before they show up for things because they don't want it to be something they have to handle because they feel tied up.
They feel like their hands are tied.
unidentified
Yeah.
colion noir
It's a balancing act too, right?
unidentified
Yeah.
colion noir
It's like we don't necessarily want cops to go in there I don't mean just in this particular situation, Evaldi, but just having—be completely let off the leash to the extent that they can do anything that they want anytime and there'll be no— Of course.
They can't be held accountable for anything, right?
joe rogan
Of course, yes.
colion noir
While at the same time, we need them to go in without having to essentially be attorneys, you know, in the moment, trying to decide, like, I was just in Wisconsin.
And I was with the USCCA, which is a concealed carry insurance membership program.
And what we were doing was working scenario-based training.
So they set up this whole situation for me, like we're in a coffee shop, I have a girlfriend that I'm talking to, and then a guy comes in, robs the place, and a bunch of other scenarios that happen.
And because of my knowledge base and things that I'm aware of from a legal perspective, even in that moment when I'm trying to decide, do I shoot?
Do I not shoot?
Because, you know, you ever run Sims?
joe rogan
No.
colion noir
Sims are like the basically real guns converted into more or less fake guns, so to speak.
So they shoot these cartridges that hurt like a bitch.
They hurt and they sound like they're really loud.
The gun operates the same.
Everything's the same, except they shoot these.
It's kind of like elevated paintball.
And in this case, we weren't using the actual projectile.
What we were using was what this did is emitted a laser instead of actually shooting a projectile.
But everything else was the same.
It was loud, recall, and all of that stuff.
And so in that moment, I'm sitting there and I'm thinking, all right, when is it justified for me to shoot?
Now, in that moment, in that scenario, you can only kind of mimic reality to a certain extent before, you know, you get overwhelmed with the thought of, okay, I might die.
I have the benefit to some degree to kind of think logically through, okay, if I shoot now, is it justified?
If I don't shoot now, and so forth and so on.
joe rogan
Are you talking about like from a legal perspective?
colion noir
From a legal perspective, yes.
And so in that moment, when the guy's in there, he's already shot at one person, he's about to shoot another person, I'm like, okay, this is my time to shoot, but he's not shooting at me.
And so I'm like, what do I do?
Can I shoot him in and be justified?
joe rogan
So if you're like, let's say if you go into a store and you see a gunfight in the store and you see a guy shooting at someone behind the counter and you're armed, are you allowed to shoot him?
colion noir
Depends.
joe rogan
If he's shooting at people that work at the store.
colion noir
Well, it depends.
Because if you find out later on that the guy behind the counter pointed his gun at him and said, I'm going to kill you.
unidentified
Right.
joe rogan
Imagine if you shot him first.
Right.
So you don't know.
colion noir
You don't really.
joe rogan
You walk into 7-Eleven, there's a gunfight.
colion noir
Yep.
You don't know.
And so in that situation, and I'm probably kind of giving away too much information because the video's not out yet, but I think it's necessary.
So the guy walks in.
He says he's robbing the place.
He hadn't shot anyone yet.
But he starts arguing with another person.
And the other guy is supposed to be like a new concealed carrier.
And then the guy stands up.
He's like, yo, what is your problem?
What are you doing?
And he's kind of angling towards his gun, but he's not.
He hasn't gone for it yet.
The other guy has a gun, too.
The guy who came in to rob the place.
But he hasn't pointed his gun at anyone.
He hasn't shot anyone.
So at that point, theoretically speaking, you could argue that's just mutual combat.
joe rogan
Yeah.
colion noir
Right?
So which one can I shoot?
Who's actually endangering who?
unidentified
Right.
colion noir
Right?
So I ended up shooting the guy who came to rob the place.
The problem is...
I shot him in the back too.
But that was from the standpoint of when I decided to shoot, I know how to shoot.
So I dropped four or five rounds just naturally into the guy.
He's like, oh shit, he turns around because he's getting shocked as I'm shooting him.
So he turns to run.
joe rogan
So is it like a laser that sets off like a haptic feedback suit?
colion noir
Yeah, so you're wearing a vest, right?
It's called a stress vest.
So you're wearing a stress vest, and so it sends out a laser every time you hit that person, and it shocks you.
joe rogan
And does it shock you like a taser?
colion noir
It's as bad as you want it to be.
unidentified
Really?
joe rogan
So you can get it to the point where it immobilizes your body?
colion noir
I don't think it gets that high.
I think it gets to the point where you're like, okay, get this thing off me.
joe rogan
Have you ever been tased?
colion noir
No.
joe rogan
I haven't either, but I've watched people get tased, and I'm curious.
colion noir
I'm not.
joe rogan
Because some people can just fucking handle it, man.
colion noir
They can't.
Aren't they usually high?
joe rogan
I don't know.
It's a good question.
colion noir
I think sometimes they're high.
joe rogan
But how does that stop your body from shutting off due to the electricity?
colion noir
That is true.
That I don't know.
joe rogan
Because I've seen people just get zapped and they just stand there.
And they just pull the shit right out of the body.
colion noir
Now I did see this one video guy did that.
The cop was being very patient with the guy.
And he zapped him, nothing.
And he's like, alright.
And he zapped him again, he dropped.
unidentified
Really?
joe rogan
Second time he dropped?
colion noir
So I don't know what plays, what part, you know.
I don't understand.
That's outside of my wheelhouse, honestly.
joe rogan
My friend Dana White, he went for one of his shows.
They all got tasered.
And they felt like their body just shut off.
They just fell over.
colion noir
See, the funny thing about it is I had the stress vest on too.
So when I was doing it, so the whole time I'm like, I don't want to experience this.
unidentified
Yeah, fuck that.
So if he hit you, he turned and hit, yeah.
joe rogan
Yeah, I'm curious to what that's like.
I'm sure it's horrible.
colion noir
I mean, I'll put it like this.
When I shot him, he yelled.
unidentified
So I'm assuming it's pretty bad.
colion noir
But, you know, from that perspective, I still ended up shooting him in the back.
joe rogan
Now, is that legal?
Because you are not in danger.
You're just acting almost like as law enforcement or as protection.
colion noir
So in that particular case, once we broke it down, my shooting was justified, right?
But it just goes to show you how thin that line is between justified and unjustified.
joe rogan
And doesn't it also, like, well, in that situation, was there cameras involved?
colion noir
Yeah.
joe rogan
Because it's in a store.
colion noir
Yeah.
joe rogan
But what if you're in a school, like in a school situation?
unidentified
Yeah.
joe rogan
If you walked in and shot that guy who was killing those kids and you shot him in the back, clearly you'd be justified, right?
colion noir
Yeah, you'd be justified at that because that's in defense of a third party.
So at that point, all bets are off.
Whether I shoot you in the back, front, side, but I guess the argument that could be made in my particular situation is he was retreating.
unidentified
Right.
colion noir
Right, because he was running out.
That's why I shot him, because he turned to run away.
And so it was basically...
And it happens really quickly.
Right.
And the split times between my trigger pull are pretty fast.
So it's like, bang, bang, bang, bang.
Right.
And, you know, that time period, he can turn and catch one in the back.
unidentified
But...
colion noir
You get an aggressive enough prosecutor, that's the argument they made.
If I was a prosecutor, that's the argument I would make.
joe rogan
You know about the case in Austin, where a guy was not, he was not charged for a long period of time, but it was at one of the protests during the pandemic, and this guy apparently was military, and he was an Uber driver.
He was Uber driving?
Yeah, so he pulled down this road, I think he was following his GPS, and he pulled down this road, and all of a sudden he's faced with the people that were blocking the road, and this guy pulls an AK-47 out and points it at him.
colion noir
And he shoots him.
joe rogan
He's a veteran.
I mean, he's used to being in, you know, live combat situations, and he just pulls out his gun and shoots him.
colion noir
Did he get charged?
joe rogan
He did get charged.
colion noir
Did he get convicted?
joe rogan
I don't know.
Let's find out what the status on that was because all my friends that are law enforcement or military were furious that he got charged because this guy literally pointed the gun at his face.
Like he's standing there pointing the gun.
What are you gonna do?
It's like how do you know if the guy's gonna kill you or not?
Like it's unreasonable to point a gun at a person in that scenario.
colion noir
But you know what that speaks to?
joe rogan
What?
colion noir
Edu-fucking-cation.
joe rogan
Education.
colion noir
Dude, like, I... In my videos, I say this time and time and time and time again.
We have over 400 million guns in this country, man.
You're not getting away from the guns.
You're not.
joe rogan
And if you take them away from legal...
People that have them legally...
colion noir
The only people that are going to have them are the people that have them illegally.
Exactly.
And so, if we understand that this is the country that we live in, we have a Second Amendment, we understand the culture in this country, why would we not spend...
Just even a decent amount of resources on a federal level, let's say local level, to teach people the dynamics involved with firearm ownership.
joe rogan
Let me ask you this.
One of the things about people that are pro-Second Amendment is they don't want to change any of the restrictions.
The way it's set up right now, they want to keep it exactly the way it is in terms of what kind of background checks exist.
They don't want to add any sort of additional checks, any sort of additional restrictions.
Why is it so easy to get a gun license?
colion noir
Because efficiency.
joe rogan
But why is it so hard to get a driver's license?
colion noir
Because people suck at driving.
joe rogan
But don't people suck at shooting?
colion noir
Some do.
A lot of people do.
joe rogan
A lot of people do.
colion noir
The difference though too is we're talking about a constitutional right versus a privilege.
joe rogan
When I got a concealed carry permit, I had to go through an extensive examination, which also involved showing that you are proficient at shooting.
Why don't people have to do that?
colion noir
Well, because we are talking about a constitutional right.
So the standard is a lot different than say, okay, we're giving you the privilege to drive this car on the road.
So like with a car, I can own any car I want.
If I have private property, I can drive all over that private property without any education, without any instruction, or any of that stuff.
Now, the moment I want to step out into the public with this car and drive it on public roads, that's when I have to get license, get registration, and all of those things.
joe rogan
Okay, I see what you're saying.
So if someone wants to have a gun and they want to take it somewhere, then they have to go through these examinations.
colion noir
Generally speaking.
joe rogan
But not here.
colion noir
That used to be the case in Texas.
Now, no.
Now we have constitutional carry, which means that you don't have to go through those procedures in order to carry a firearm.
joe rogan
So here's the story.
Uber also released a statement.
Unfortunately, we aren't able to comment on pending litigation.
This is about the guy who's an Uber driver.
As we've released in the past, this incident is not related to the Uber platform.
It says, For now, this gentleman Perry remains indicted on multiple charges, including murder in this case.
In August, his attempt to get the murder charge dropped was denied.
From what I understand, this has to do with the district attorney in Austin.
We have a lot of very liberal district attorneys in this country.
They just repealed the guy in San Francisco to screams and cheers of people who are dealing with unprecedented crime and homelessness there.
colion noir
Don't get me started in San Francisco, bro.
joe rogan
Well, you're the one who told me about it.
You're the one who explained to me the whole homeless situation.
We've talked about it multiple times and credited you with explaining it.
Since you're a lawyer and you understand the inner workings of the machine in a way that I probably don't...
colion noir
I'll be honest with you.
You know what got me to understand it?
It wasn't me being a lawyer.
It was me being on the ground and seeing this shit and talking to the people.
That's what really set it off for me.
Because when I was with the NRA and we were doing these mini documentaries, going to these different places and talking to the people on the ground, they were explaining stuff to me.
You can watch the video.
You see it in my face.
I'm like, the same way you reacted is the same way I reacted when I first heard it.
joe rogan
I thought it was a funding thing.
I thought, like, we need more money for homelessness.
And then when I realized that it's a business, it's like a light bulb went off.
When you explained it to me, I was like, of course!
It's like everything else.
When you showed me the numbers and the people in LA making $260,000 a year to deal with the homeless situation and it's not going anywhere, I'm like, that person has a fucking great job.
colion noir
You know, I actually analogized that to the issue with gun violence in the inner city.
joe rogan
How so?
colion noir
So it's a theory.
Do I have concrete data to affirm it?
Nope.
But I think to a degree A lot of these leaders and politicians in the inner city need that violence in the inner city to continue as a way to justify the necessity for them being in the positions that they're in.
joe rogan
Like what kind of position?
colion noir
So if you think about it, the vast majority of the gun violence in this country is from the inner city.
Like overwhelmingly so.
joe rogan
The numbers are crazy.
Like when people talk about gun violence in this country, maybe we should start with that, right?
Gun violence in this country, when you look at gun deaths, a gigantic percentage of them are suicides.
colion noir
Yeah.
I would say about 63% to 65% are suicides.
joe rogan
Okay, so when we're talking about gun violence, I mean, I am not, clearly I'm not in favor of suicide.
You know, obviously I want people to get help and live happy lives.
But this is not my main concern.
My main concern is people harming other people.
So when we look at the numbers of gun violence, it's always exaggerated because they don't include the fact that that is a large number.
colion noir
They're starting to do it now.
They didn't before.
joe rogan
I don't hear about it on Fox News.
colion noir
Yeah, like, they legit, I remember, because this was like at the genesis kind of of my two-way advocacy, when I was looking at the numbers, because I kind of initially just took the numbers for what they were.
And I just assumed, because you hear gun violence, you see, you hear gun deaths.
You're thinking people shooting at other people in the middle of the street and dropping dead, right?
And then I started looking into the numbers and I started to realize, wait, 63 to 65% are suicides?
And like I pointed out, it's not that I don't care about suicides, but then I also backdoored and I said, okay, well, let's look at the suicide rate just as a whole in America versus other places that have strict gun laws.
And I remember when I was on Bill Maher and I was sitting at the round table, we kind of started getting into that discussion.
And you would think, considering we have as many guns as we have in this country in the hands of civilians, you'd think that On the surface, we'd lead the world in suicides.
We don't.
We're not even close.
So that stands to reason that the issue with suicides isn't a gun thing.
It is purely a mental health thing.
joe rogan
Yes.
colion noir
Right?
So that's why I'm able to, okay, let's set this aside and now deal with what's remaining.
Then you have a very small percentage that are accidental gun deaths, right?
We're talking about like maybe totality in a year, a thousand.
joe rogan
And what percentage is that about?
colion noir
I think it's like, if I remember correctly, it's like three to five percent.
joe rogan
Okay.
colion noir
Or something like that.
joe rogan
So we're almost at 70% then.
colion noir
Yeah.
joe rogan
We're at like 68?
colion noir
And that's including, and then there's another percentage that includes Officer shootings, whether it's officer shooting a criminal or a criminal killing an officer, right?
So we can put that here over here as well because that's a different dynamic.
joe rogan
What percentage are officers shooting?
colion noir
That's sitting somewhere in about also 2-3%.
I'm probably flipping it.
I don't know if the accidental gun deaths are about 2-3 and the officers are like 5, if I'm not mistaken.
joe rogan
We could find out.
Jamie will pull it up so we could get an accurate assessment of it.
colion noir
But to get to where we want to go is essentially homicides with firearms.
That's where we want to be.
And generally speaking, you've got a range of about 8,000 to 12,000 people every year die from actually being shot by another person.
That includes mass shootings, everything.
unidentified
Right.
joe rogan
And then what percentage of those are gang-related?
colion noir
So...
Because the whole gang-related, because now what's happening is they're taking a lot of the gang-related shootings and including them in mass shootings.
It's just kind of like what happened in Philadelphia recently, right?
joe rogan
Oh, I see what you're saying.
colion noir
They called the Philadelphia shooting, it just happened recently, a mass shooting.
joe rogan
What was the Philadelphia one?
colion noir
It was basically, there was a shootout between, I don't know how many people it was, but there was like, I can't remember exactly where in Philly it was, but essentially, I can't remember, a lot of people got shot, and they called it a mass shooting.
It was street violence.
That's what it was.
It was two parties going at it, and they called it mass shooting.
I guess you could argue why that's considered a mass shooting, but it's not.
But in our minds, when we think about it, a mass shooting is somebody—you have an individual or multiple people who want to go and kill as many innocent people as possible, right?
We're not talking about people who are shooting each other over disputes.
This was a dispute that took place in the public.
Between two people with guns, essentially.
And so they want to call that a mass shooting.
And I'm like, that's not fair.
Because the way they deal with these types of things, they're different.
The same way you don't include the suicides and the homicides.
Because there are different reasons for why they're happening.
And so a lot of the vast majority of the gun violence, the homicide aspect of it, is from the inner cities.
That's where it's coming from.
It's these kids, literally, when I say kids, I'm talking like...
17, 18, 19, 20, 21-year-olds.
They're shooting at each other.
Now, I'm not dismissing that and saying that it's irrelevant and that we shouldn't factor that in.
What I'm saying is it's a totally different reason for why it's happening.
It's not a gun issue.
It's a socioeconomic issue.
Because if you take those same kids that look like me, right?
I know a lot of black people, people of color, who live in the suburbs of America.
And they're not running around committing drive-bys in their BMWs.
They're not.
So what's the difference there?
They have access to guns the same way these kids have access to guns.
And these kids have access to guns illegally in the inner city.
The difference is it's prolonged exposure to poverty.
But nobody wants to have that conversation.
The reason they don't want to have that conversation is because it is admittedly hard to deal with.
It's hard.
It's convoluted and it's difficult.
joe rogan
So is that the vast majority?
So outside of suicide, is that the majority of the shootings?
colion noir
Yes.
joe rogan
So the majority of the shootings are...
colion noir
Are inner-city gang, drug, and dispute violence.
That's what it is.
unidentified
Okay.
colion noir
The vast majority of it.
joe rogan
And that is one thing that we both agree on in terms of that's one of the most gigantic and ignored problems in this country is exposure to poverty and violence your whole life.
And that these environments like the inner city, like South Side of Chicago, which have never changed.
Never.
They haven't.
They've gotten only worse.
I was in Chicago a few years back.
We were doing a gig and there was a cop who was driving us around.
And he was explaining what, you know, we're like, dude, what is going on?
Because it was like right after a big one, right after a big weekend.
And he goes, this is what happened.
They got very aggressive with arresting these drug lords.
And when they did that, they created a power vacuum.
And then these other guys stepped in to try to fill the power vacuum.
And a lot of them, these young bucks.
colion noir
They started clicking up.
joe rogan
Yep.
colion noir
And so now, I mean, these kids are literally blocks away from each other.
joe rogan
Yeah.
colion noir
Shooting at each other.
unidentified
And...
colion noir
And so from that perspective, I mean, I saw it when I did my little mini-docu-series in Southside Chicago.
joe rogan
How much of an effort has been put...
Like, there's almost no coverage of that.
colion noir
No.
joe rogan
Like, in Chicago, a couple of weekends ago, I don't remember what the number was, but it was something preposterous, the amount of people that got shot.
colion noir
Well, because it's...
I think what it is, it's self-contained in many people's minds.
It's kind of like...
That's why people are so engrossed with mass shootings.
Because...
With inner city violence, it happens in the inner city.
unidentified
Right.
colion noir
And if you don't live in the inner city, it doesn't affect you, so to speak.
So it's easier to kind of just kind of push it off and not really pay attention to it.
However, with mass shootings, it starts spilling over into your reality.
And it's terrifying because now it's like, wait, so you mean to tell me I can't just live in a different neighborhood and be away from this type of gun violence?
Now I'm dealing with an element that's now shooting me in my area.
Right.
Because I guarantee you, these kids started crossing over and started engaging in the same violence in these other areas that be shut down in a heartbeat.
joe rogan
Yeah.
colion noir
I mean, overnight, they shut it down.
Easily.
But in the inner cities?
Nah.
They kind of just let it flourish.
And as far as creating the vacuum that it created, you could make the argument, well, they tried to do something about it then, and it just ended up getting worse, right?
You have these things that you do, and sometimes it has an effect that you didn't intend to have.
But the problem is that we always approach it from a singular focus.
It's either ban all the guns or just arrest everybody on the streets.
We never want to have that in-depth conversation about, You got to think about what type of environment you're living in where you come up as a child.
When I say child, I mean you're 16, 15, 16, 17, 18, 19, and you so easily can pick up a gun and just take another person's life that looks just like you.
joe rogan
And you get a reputation for doing that.
colion noir
Exactly.
joe rogan
And you don't get arrested.
colion noir
And you don't.
joe rogan
Well, do you know about the story about the shootout where they released everybody because they said that it was mutual combat?
colion noir
No.
joe rogan
You don't know that?
colion noir
No.
joe rogan
Oh, you need to know about this.
This is Chicago.
colion noir
Wait, when?
joe rogan
A few years ago.
No, not even a few years ago.
I think it was one year ago.
This is a wild story because two people died.
I think two, maybe three.
Multiple people shot.
Shootout.
On video, by the way.
People were filming it from their cars.
colion noir
How the fuck did I miss this?
joe rogan
Dude, it's the craziest shit.
That Lori Lightfoot and her administration, boy, they should be examined for future.
Like, look, look, look who became the mayor of Chicago.
This is crazy!
When she wears that fucking superhero costume, that lady is out of her fucking mind.
And also when she banned protests on her street, remember that?
She banned protests on her street.
I have to keep myself safe.
What about everybody else?
colion noir
But that's just it.
joe rogan
That's just it.
That's it right there.
jamie vernon
Some people get charged, it looks like.
But way later and not for...
joe rogan
Well, probably after everybody talked about it.
jamie vernon
Yeah, correct.
It says after the drama, there was charges announced.
joe rogan
Oh, after mutual combat drama, Fox and Lightfoot announced charges in West Side Shootout.
Okay.
This is because they dropped the charges initially.
Okay, so it was over a year ago.
So, following the drama between Cook County State Attorney Kim Fox and Mayor Lightfoot last year over a lack of charges in a deadly shootout on the West Side, a man was arrested Thursday in connection.
Thomas Dean, 20, 19 at the time of the shooting, I guess, was charged Thursday with three counts of aggravated, unlawful use of a weapon.
That's not...
Even that!
Aggravated.
I was aggravated.
Back in October 1, a brazen shootout happened the middle of the day during a quiet afternoon in North Austin.
That's a suburb of Chicago.
North Austin, Chicago.
The shootout allegedly involved two gangs and was described like the Wild West due to dozens of shell casings found at the scene.
People believe a group of shooters targeted a house.
People inside the house fired back, killing one of the gunmen.
Following a shooting, I thought more than one person was killed.
Following the shooting, CPD said the Cook County State Attorney's Office refused to pursue charges citing mutual combat.
Imagine that.
On the street.
I mean, this isn't even, like, in the woods.
Mayor Lightfoot then...
I mean, I'm saying, like, if you know that...
unidentified
Well, if it was in the woods, no one can get hit by strays.
joe rogan
This is a fucking crowded street.
They're just firing rounds.
The evidence included DNA matched to a gun Dean allegedly used during the shootout.
unidentified
Why?
joe rogan
You should have wiped your gun, bro.
Fox said more charges may be brought in the future.
Whoa, you're fucking threatening more charges?
I might say someone else was aggravated.
Dean is due in court on Friday.
Well, you know, I don't have a lot of faith in this because the way it's going today, and I don't understand what happened in terms of The way DA's just sort of release people that are accused of violent assaults, it's bananas.
They just get them out of jail.
Like, in Los Angeles, it's off the charts.
Los Angeles is what?
That video that you sent me of you, like, talking to the, uh, or you playing that interview of the gang member saying he's getting the fuck out of LA? He's like, it's too hot for me.
unidentified
A fucking gang member is like, LA's too crazy.
colion noir
Dude, I'm telling you, man.
unidentified
I think, yeah, it was Whack 100. Yes, because he was talking about how the people are getting out.
joe rogan
That they're going to release another 70,000 people early who were violent criminals because they don't have any room in the jails or the DA just seems to think it's a good idea.
colion noir
That's another thing, too, that people are not factoring in.
After COVID, the bottom fell out.
That's what people aren't talking about.
Like, when you had all these shutdowns and people couldn't work and basically shut down the economy, I mean, you got to understand what that does to a lot of people who are already sitting on the bottom.
joe rogan
Yeah.
colion noir
So when the bottom falls out, what do you think is going to happen?
joe rogan
Right.
colion noir
You know, people who are already in dire straits are now in desperate straits, and they're doing anything.
unidentified
Right.
colion noir
I'm not justifying the action by any stretch of the imagination.
I'm just saying, don't be surprised.
joe rogan
They don't think there's repercussions anymore.
unidentified
Yeah.
colion noir
And that's another thing, too.
joe rogan
That's a big thing.
colion noir
Yeah.
And that's...
It amazes me how people don't understand this.
And I think what it is, is a lot of people just like to live in their own little bubbles and don't like to address things until that thing breaks into their bubble.
And when it does, it's like, please, government, do something!
Make it stop right now!
And it's like, it's too late.
It's already there.
And the government you thought you were going to be able to depend on, yeah, you could depend on them when shit ain't happening.
When shit starts happening in mass, it's not even always the fact that they don't want to do anything or they just choose not to do it.
They can't.
They can't address not enough people.
So at that point, they realize, shit, I'm on my own.
And you should have realized that in the middle of the whole situation because when pretty much the world was shut down, you were on your own.
When we were having protests and riots every other day, it seemed like, and another city was burning every other day, and cops were like, yeah, there's not much we can do.
You're kind of on your own.
That should have sunk right then and there and let you know that the only person responsible for your safety is you.
The cops, the government, that's supplemental.
You're not supposed to rely on it.
You can't rely on it, even if you want to.
joe rogan
The amount of time that it takes them just to respond.
colion noir
It's just, it's not happening.
unidentified
Right.
joe rogan
If someone's breaking into your house, if someone's on your property, the amount of time that it would take for a police officer to get to you, even if they do choose to respond quickly.
colion noir
Still not fast enough.
Not fast enough.
The popular saying, when seconds count, help is only a minute away.
joe rogan
Yeah.
colion noir
And that's the whole basis, at least from me.
I'm speaking from me.
And I know there are a lot of people on the gun side of things that will agree with me.
joe rogan
On the gun side of things.
colion noir
Yes, on the gun side of things.
Which will agree with me is that...
I have to be self-reliant when it comes to the protection of me, my family, and people that I love.
And that's why I want these firearms.
You know, we talk about, and then others talk about banning AR-15s and so forth and so on.
And I'm like, no, I want an AR-15 because it is, to me, the best tool to defend myself with.
And I don't want the struggle for my life to be a fair fight.
I want it to be lopsided in my favor as best as I can.
And the AR does the best job, at least for me.
I can speak to my—now, you start getting into the weeds of it.
You know, some gun guys will say, oh, no, well, this thing's better.
You get some old guys like, oh, you need a shotgun, like Joe Biden.
unidentified
All you need is a double barrel.
Double barrel.
joe rogan
Shoot one in the air.
Yeah, you're gonna land on your neighbor while he's out mowing the lawn, you fucking idiot.
colion noir
And then he'll backdoor and get up on camera and say, well, the 9mm will blow a lung out.
unidentified
I'm like, have you seen the gunshot wounds of a double barrel shotgun?
joe rogan
Yeah, what the fuck was that about?
But we're talking about a literal challenged person.
colion noir
Yeah.
joe rogan
You know, a person who's got mental issues.
colion noir
No one's telling the emperor that he has no clothes.
joe rogan
It's so crazy.
It's so crazy.
But that outside of it.
So there's a bunch of issues, right?
But the big one is mental health.
Because this is what accounts for the suicides.
This is what accounts for this person that is willing to go and kill a bunch of innocent people.
You know, I remember the Aurora shooting, the guy went to the movie theater.
They showed a photo of the guy after they arrested him.
I'm like, Jesus Christ, I would have arrested him if I saw him at Starbucks.
You know, remember his face?
I mean, the guy was clearly ill.
colion noir
I think, too, so I read an article, and I've always had this mindset.
One of my first viral videos was How to Stop a Mass Shooting.
Literally.
And in the video, I was like, stop the fantasy.
And by stop the fantasy, I mean, have people in place to shut down his ability to kill as many people as possible.
Because at the end of the day, a lot of these people really are doing it for the clout.
They really are.
joe rogan
They're doing it so that they can recognize.
colion noir
Exactly.
And so, because, I mean, think about it.
The MO is always the same.
Right?
Vast majority of them.
And I read an article, and it even kind of blew me away a little bit, that there was a study that found, like, if the media changed the way that they handled reporting these mass shootings, we could reduce mass shootings by 33%.
Really?
Yeah, because a lot of these mass shootings are copycat.
joe rogan
But let me ask you this.
You have to record—I mean, there has to be some reporting of a mass shooting.
colion noir
Yes.
And so what it's saying was, focus on the people who were killed.
Focus on what happened, but we go into a deep-sea dive about these people's lives.
Like, in the video I did, I did it like five, seven years ago, and I talked about it.
I was like, no one can name the vast majority of victims in a lot of these shootings, but you can name all of the shooters.
You can name them.
You know what they look like.
We just talked about it.
He's like, you know, he showed them in the face.
I was like, oof.
Rest in them at Starbucks.
Like, we know too much about them, and that's exactly what they want.
Take the guy in New York.
He now gets to sit back.
Yeah, he's in jail, but he gets to sit back and watch his work.
He's a lunatic.
We did a whole manifesto about why he did what he did.
Now he gets to sit back and watch it.
Right.
joe rogan
And he gets clout in prison, probably.
colion noir
Exactly.
And I even said that, you know?
And I think there's something to be said about that.
Now, I'm not going to go so far as to say the government should tell the media they can't report on mass shootings.
Not what I'm saying.
But I do think there's something to be said about how we sensationalize these shooters.
And you know how I know for a fact?
Because when Columbine happened, I was still in high school.
And I remember when Columbine happened, I did a deep-sea dive into studying both of those dudes.
Because it was truly fascinating because it never crossed my mind that somebody would do something like that.
So I'm trying to get a better understanding about why someone would do that.
And so it was easy as hell for me to get all the information in the world.
It was plastered all over the news.
Now, that was one of the most notorious school shootings that we had.
So it's understandable that we were like, oh, whoa, whoa, whoa, what's going on here?
Like, let's figure this out.
joe rogan
It was probably the first, right?
colion noir
No, it wasn't the first.
joe rogan
Wasn't the first school shooting?
colion noir
No, I don't think it was the first school shooting.
I don't believe so.
I think it was the first school shooting to that scale.
I mean, you got to think, but these dudes were walking around the schooling.
They're just blasting at people and walking, just killing people in the library.
It was nuts.
joe rogan
So there's a lot of things that have to happen.
One, we have to figure out what happens to a person.
How far gone do they have to be where they can do something like that?
And is there a way to stop that?
colion noir
And I think that's a conversation we need to have.
joe rogan
What could be done, though?
Have you ever seen a rational sort of plan for stopping anybody before they get to that point?
I mean, one of the things that I've heard people talk about is that the FBI was aware of this guy.
But what do you do?
Exactly.
Let me tell you a story.
I'm trying to be as vague about this as possible because I don't want to get anybody in trouble.
But there was a kid at a school that...
Someone that I know is connected to and this kid took a photo and sent it to his friends of him holding a rifle saying something about gonna go to school on my way to school now something to that extent and That photo got to one of the parents and Funny.
unidentified
Funny.
joe rogan
It was like there was a break between mass shootings the kid was only 11 Yeah, and they said he didn't know what he's doing.
He thought it was funny either funny or he was being you know being wild And you know he thought his friends would you?
He was being a fucking idiot.
He was being an 11-year-old who has access to a rifle.
And they moved in on him and they ascertained that he wasn't a threat.
When does one decide that someone is a threat?
Like this guy had not killed anybody until he killed his grandmother and then killed all those kids.
So how do you know when a person's about to pop?
Do you monitor them?
And how many kids are you monitoring?
How many kids are bullied to the point where they're suicidal or homicidal?
How many people are like that out there?
colion noir
I think that's the natural restriction of our reality, right?
It's because we do have these things in place as far as rights are concerned.
But it's like, so at what point?
And it's a high standard to remove those rights from somebody, especially when they haven't done anything.
joe rogan
Right.
colion noir
So that's the question that I think our brainpower should be focused on trying to accomplish while understanding it's no different than a criminal, though, right?
See, a criminal becomes a criminal once he does some criminal shit.
We don't necessarily know when that's going to happen.
unidentified
Right.
colion noir
So what do we do?
We put ourselves in the best position possible to stop that criminal when he decides to try to do it.
And that's where we start getting into the conversations about hardening our schools.
How do we go about hardening our schools?
They had no problem hardening the capital with $1.9 billion after what happened on January 6th.
unidentified
Right.
colion noir
Right?
So they understand on a fundamental level that they- They spent $1.9 billion?
From what I read in the article.
unidentified
I would like to see an accounting of all that money.
colion noir
Just saying.
unidentified
Because I think that's a little high.
joe rogan
If I was the guy running the capital, I'd be like, whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa.
unidentified
What?
colion noir
Yeah.
joe rogan
What are you doing?
How much money?
colion noir
But again, what we're talking about is we're talking about people in positions of leadership who feel that their lives are more important than ours.
It's just—I'm not going to say it's just natural, but that tends to happen.
You start to kind of develop the sense of superiority when you're in positions of power, and you're like, well, I need the protection because I'm a person of importance.
Well, what about everyone else?
Because a lot of these people are wanting these gun control laws and removing these guns because they don't want the common people to have them because they see them as a threat to them.
joe rogan
Yeah.
That was one of the arguments about this money that's going to Ukraine, where people were like, how are you sending $40 billion to Ukraine and you're not spending any money protecting schools?
Like imagine, first of all, before we even get into protection, how about advancing education?
$40 billion would go a long way to improving schools.
$40 billion would go a long way to providing security in schools.
unidentified
You know, I mean, did you hear about how he got in?
No.
colion noir
So, and I'm not laughing because it's funny, but it was just astounding to me.
So essentially what happened is he went through a back door that was unlocked.
And then he literally went...
So they had plans in place to deal with potential mass shooters like this.
At least on paper.
The protocols that were supposed to be adhered to.
joe rogan
At the school.
colion noir
Yeah.
And he went door to door.
He went to several different class doors.
They were locked.
He couldn't get in.
And then there was one door that was ajar.
And...
From what I read, by the time the teacher realized what was going on and she tried to go to the door to lock it, he grabbed the door and opened it.
And he was able to get in that way.
And so my, and I've always said this, I'm like, okay, we understand that we don't want these things to happen in our schools.
So what's the first thing you do?
If somebody broke into your neighbor's house, say tomorrow, the first thing you're probably going to think of is, all right, how do I harden my house to make sure this doesn't happen to me?
That's going to be your first thought.
Why would we not do that with our children and the places that they go to school?
And I know people are like, we don't make it seem like they're living in a prison.
You can have passive defenses where optically it doesn't look like a prison.
You can have reinforced doors that don't look like prison gates.
You can do these things.
But we don't.
And to me, those are the easier things to implement before we even start talking about banning this gun, banning that gun, which will do nothing to stop these things.
Because when we talk about school shootings, the worst one we ever had was Virginia Tech.
He killed 33 people with handguns.
So from that perspective, we understand that there are going to be people who are going to try to do this.
Whether they use AR-15s, whether they use handguns, shotguns, it doesn't matter.
The goal?
Protect our kids.
Right?
When Obama was in office and his kids were in school, you think this kid would aim to get in there and do what he did?
joe rogan
I do not believe that would be the case.
colion noir
He wouldn't be.
Why?
Because that school where those kids are going to, it's going to be hardened.
joe rogan
Right.
colion noir
It's going to be.
If Joe Biden had younger kids now and they were in school, that kid would not be able to get into that school.
joe rogan
Right.
colion noir
He wouldn't because that school would be hardened.
unidentified
So...
joe rogan
There's so many schools.
colion noir
There are.
unidentified
Right.
joe rogan
And there's so many guns, and there's so many people, and there's so many potential crazy people.
colion noir
Yes.
joe rogan
It's like, how much money would it cost to harden all of these schools?
You're dealing with a lot of money.
colion noir
So I think there's a school, I forgot the name of the school, I forgot where it was, where they have a whole system in place.
It's crazy.
I put it in my Evernote because I was going to go and do video on it, so I hadn't researched it thoroughly.
And I think they said it was somewhere in the area of $400,000 for the entire system, but the system scales.
joe rogan
So this is public?
colion noir
I don't remember if it was public.
joe rogan
Public, private, or all?
colion noir
What do you mean?
For...
joe rogan
Schools?
Amount of schools?
colion noir
Well, no.
This particular system at this school.
unidentified
Oh.
colion noir
This particular school.
Yeah.
So they had a whole system designed for school shooters.
joe rogan
Oh, I see what you're saying.
So you're saying that $400,000 was spent...
colion noir
For the system.
For this particular system, yeah.
And it scales, right?
So you can have one aspect of it and make it cheaper and so forth and so on.
And I forgot.
I didn't do the numbers.
Jamie, are you able to pull how many schools we have total?
joe rogan
That's what I was curious about.
I... Are there any charges that are being brought up against the cops that didn't go in?
colion noir
Not that I'm aware of.
joe rogan
How do you keep a job?
How do you...
Schools and districts.
How many schools in the U.S.? There are about 130,930 public and private K-12 schools in the United States according to 2017-2018 data.
colion noir
So expensive.
joe rogan
Yeah.
colion noir
Super expensive.
joe rogan
Well, yeah, but again, $40 billion goes to Ukraine like that in the middle of an academic downslide.
Yeah.
colion noir
So, I mean, but again, these same people are always telling us, well, how much is a kid's life worth?
unidentified
Right.
colion noir
Right?
joe rogan
So, there should be absolutely some measure of protection that stops this from being, stops it from being available to someone that someone could just get into the school.
colion noir
Yes.
I mean, I think that's bare minimum.
joe rogan
So the fact this guy got in through a back door, and the only reason why he got into that classroom is because the door was ajar.
So protocols have to be implemented.
But the problem is people get relaxed after a while.
Nothing's happening.
colion noir
Which is why I get a lot of shit for it, and I think it's crazy that I get shit for it, but I'm in favor of allowing teachers to keep guns at school.
joe rogan
Well, some places are now allowing teachers to have guns, and I watched this video where all these teachers pulled out their pistols, and they had them.
Did you see that?
What kind of world are we living in?
Listen, I want to live in a world where that's not an option because it's not necessary, right?
I think you do, too.
But we also have to live in reality.
And all of my liberal friends start screaming about gun control.
And then I say, then what?
Like, what do you mean?
Like, when you talk about the amount of guns, we've got to take those guns.
Like, okay.
colion noir
It's not realistic.
joe rogan
This is not realistic.
Not only is it not realistic, it's not smart.
Look, I don't want anything like this to ever happen again.
We're all on the same page.
colion noir
That's the thing.
I think that's the point that's not being put out there.
Because I'm tired of hearing how all gun owners are, the blood of the babies, the kids' hands are on all gun owners who don't want any more gun control laws.
That's fucking ridiculous.
Like we have guns because we want to protect lives and the only difference is how you want to go about doing it and how we want to go about doing it It's not like well, we don't give a damn about those kids We just want our guns so we can go shoot in the backyard and just be happy and married No, we carry guns because we want to protect lives.
We just different how we want to do it Did you see what Trudeau said today? - Okay.
joe rogan
What, today?
I'll send it to you, Jamie, because it is fucking wild.
He said you don't have the right in Canada to own a gun to protect your life.
It is one of the most wild things I've ever seen anybody say, because first of all, I don't believe it's true.
I don't believe he is correct in terms of, what do they have up there?
They don't have a constitution.
It's not the same, but whatever it is.
colion noir
I mean, they're still part of England and all of them over there.
Well, they're under the rule of the Queen, theoretically, technically speaking.
joe rogan
Fuck, someone sent it to me, and I don't know if I saved it because I was so disgusted.
I think I might have just fucking threw my hands up in the air.
But there's a whole Twitter thread about it that someone had sent to me, and I can't find it at the moment.
But essentially what he was saying was that that is not what's in whatever they have on there.
That it says you have the right to own a gun for hunting and for shooting sports.
You do not have the right to own a gun for self-preservation and to preserve lives.
But apparently that's not even true.
colion noir
Even if it was true.
You have to think about what type of leader you're under who can open his mouth and say something like that as a justification for doing what he's doing as far as gun control is concerned.
joe rogan
It's the son of a guy who was a politician and a leader and a completely removed person from terms of regular society and the problems that other people face.
colion noir
Oh, you mean like Joe Biden?
unidentified
Yeah.
joe rogan
Same thing, basically.
colion noir
Same people.
joe rogan
Both corrupt, both full of shit.
colion noir
And that's a thing that the other side, and when I say the other side, I mean the gun lobby, the anti-gun lobby, has done a good job of, is creating this...
joe rogan
Here it is.
Other than using firearms for sports shooting and hunting, there is no reason anyone in Canada should need guns in their everyday lives.
We need less gun violence.
This is about freedom.
People should be free to go to the...
Okay, but this is not the main thing.
The thing that he said that was egregious was he said that they don't have the right to own guns for...
Yeah, that's not even it either.
There's an actual video of it.
An actual this is what this is a little bit further long longer ago when he was talking about They made a ban on the purchase of handguns you know the transfer of handguns the important importing handguns Yeah, so it's funny.
colion noir
So I get a lot of like even my My legal mentor this is literally the guy who taught me how to argue And we go back and forth about this because he sometimes he thinks I'm too extreme on the issue sometimes and And I think the problem is he doesn't understand that the ultimate goal is for them to ban guns.
When I say that out loud, they think I'm crazy.
And I'm like, I've been doing this long enough to see where this goes.
And look at what's happening in Canada right now.
You have someone who is literally, they started off by banning AR-15s, so-called assault weapons.
And now all of a sudden, now he's talking about people don't have a right to own a handgun.
joe rogan
Yeah.
colion noir
If right now in our country, people killed with rifles is about 435 every year.
435, close to 500 maybe.
More people die from getting beat to death than they do killed with an AR-15.
So if the goal is, so people's rationale is, well, these school shooters, and I'm being very specific about school shooters because the vast majority of mass shootings are committed with handguns.
Mass shootings.
School shootings, it trends on the side of AR-15s.
So, let's say we ban the AR-15s.
Then what?
Because people are saying that you guys are being ridiculous.
We just want to get rid of these scary assault military rifles.
And that's it.
And I'm like, that's not just it.
Because I know where this is going because I understand the data.
The vast majority of people that are being killed in mass shootings are committed with handguns.
It's only a matter of time before we have another one and we're having this conversation again and now you're telling us we need to ban handguns.
And you can't say them crazy because they're doing it right now in Canada.
And so that's the problem is people aren't being realistic about this conversation.
unidentified
Yeah.
joe rogan
I'm trying to find the video.
colion noir
I'm sorry.
joe rogan
See if you can find it, Jamie.
People were freaking out reading it or watching it because it was just like, it's such a crazy thing to say that you can't have a gun to protect yourself.
It's just that you do not have the right to own a gun to preserve your life.
colion noir
But this is the mentality.
This is the mentality that our leaders have, not only in Canada.
This is a pervasive thought process in the leaders of our country.
And this is further exemplified by the fact of how they reacted to the Heller decision.
The Heller decision— What is the Heller?
It's the Supreme Court case that said that you have an individual right to own a firearm.
And the leaders of our country literally fought back against it.
This is literally the Supreme Court case that says you have an individual right to own a firearm.
And they were still upset with that ruling.
So I should tell you everything you need to know about what they genuinely want to do.
But no one wants to acknowledge that reality.
They're like, oh, no, no, no.
We just want common sense, rational, reasonable, all these other morphous, euphemistic words.
And I'm like, that's not the case at all.
It's not.
They're looking at it from a position of control.
You're looking at it from a position of protecting lives, which I agree with you.
Let's try to do that.
I don't agree with you about how to do it.
But I can give you that.
At least I know you're coming from a position of, I just want to save lives.
I don't really know how to do it.
I think getting rid of guns might do it or banning certain guns might do it.
I can respect that.
But when it comes to our leaders and the people that are pushing this the most, and my biggest frustration, people are always like, oh, cool, you're so political.
unidentified
You're so super anti-leftly.
colion noir
No.
It just is what it is.
The vast majority of gun control comes from the left.
joe rogan
The vast majority.
colion noir
The vast majority.
joe rogan
Why do you think that is?
colion noir
Because, you mean from the leadership standpoint or from the people?
joe rogan
All the above.
I mean, even my left-wing friends, the ones that I know well, that just whenever a mass shooting happens, that I look on their Twitter feed, and it's always like, gun control now!
colion noir
I put up a tweet not too long ago that kind of got people's panties in a bunch, but I said, half of this country wants to be ruled over.
The other half of this country just wants to be left alone.
The problem is the people who want to be ruled over want everyone to be ruled over.
And I by and large think that For a lot of people on the left, and I'm not saying everybody because I know a lot of liberal gun owners, right, who are adamant about protecting the Second Amendment, but a vast majority of them really do overly rely on the government as far as keeping them safe and giving them everything that they need.
And when you do that, your default is always going to be depend on the government.
The government inherently...
From the standpoint of wanting – utilizing the government to fix all the issues in the country, you get that from the left side of the leadership aisle because they want to gain – they want the government to gain as much power as possible in order to gain control over the people.
Whereas when you look on the other side of the aisle – Yeah, that's it.
joe rogan
Yeah, I just found it too.
Here it is.
colion noir
Oh, there we go.
justin trudeau
Okay, play this because this is – We have a culture where the difference is guns can be used for hunting or for sport shooting in Canada, and there are lots of gun owners and they're mostly law-respecting and law-abiding, but you can't use a gun for self-protection in Canada.
That's not a right that you have in the Constitution or anywhere else.
unidentified
If you try and buy a gun and say it's for self-protection, no, you don't get that.
You get it for hunting.
You can get it for sports shooting.
You can take it to the range.
No problem, as long as you go through our rigorous background checks.
justin trudeau
But there's a difference around the culture.
And one of the things that we're seeing with the debate in the States is you get more and more of the American-style right-to-carry self-defense arguments filtering up through the usual more right-wing communications channel.
joe rogan
Now, scroll down this thread, because in this thread, it's exposed that that's not the case in terms of their laws.
Someone pulls up the actual laws, if you keep going.
Let's see what it says here.
There it is.
Okay.
Subsection 12, 6.1, approve the transfer individual.
Individual needs a restricted firearm or gun.
Okay, here it goes.
December 1, 1998, handguns.
Only if the chief firearms instructor is satisfied.
A, that the individual needs the restricted firearm or handgun.
I, to protect the life of that individual or of other individuals.
An II, for use in connection with his or her lawful profession or occupation of.
Or, B, that the purpose for which the individual wishes to acquire the restricted firearm or handgun is I, for the use of target practice, target competition.
Okay, so A, if you look at A, to protect the life of that individual or other individuals.
So this is written in, go back to the top of this please.
So, subsection 12, 6.1, in December 1st, 1998, handguns, only if the chief firearms officer is satisfied.
So this is, it says under this gentleman, Mr. Romali, posts this on Twitter, our prime minister doesn't even know the law.
Canadian Firearms Act, section 28 AI. So it is...
It is in their law, which is fucking crazy for a guy to say that.
colion noir
I'm going to play devil's advocate.
I think that is more geared towards elitism.
And here's what I'm getting at.
In New York, you can get a concealed carry license.
joe rogan
It's hard.
colion noir
Why is it hard?
Who are they giving it to?
joe rogan
Well, they gave it to a friend of mine who's out of his fucking mind.
colion noir
So if you're famous...
joe rogan
But he's famous, yeah.
colion noir
Or donating to police, you know, police chiefs...
joe rogan
When I say out of his fucking mind, I just say it in jest, mostly.
colion noir
Gotcha.
joe rogan
He's a great guy.
But he's a firearms enthusiast, and he's also famous, and it took a long ass time for him to get a concealed carry.
They are handing them out more often now in Los Angeles.
colion noir
In Los Angeles now, yes.
joe rogan
Because of that sheriff.
I like that sheriff.
colion noir
But...
If you really think about it, that reads just like the New York law in terms of being able to carry a firearm for protection.
Yeah, technically, you can.
joe rogan
But he's saying own.
We're not talking about a license to carry.
colion noir
No, that's what I'm saying.
See, they don't have a Second Amendment.
So the way that read to me, and listening to Trudeau, and then reading that, It's kind of like—so when it comes to concealed carry license, you have may issue and shall issue states, right?
May issue is if you can justify to the sheriff that you need this gun because of your business or your celebrity, somebody who needs to protect their life, right, then you can get a concealed carry license.
But to a regular common person— That's not enough.
There has to be an extenuating circumstance, which usually falls on the idea of I'm famous, so I need to protect myself, or I have a jewelry business and I move a lot of cash and therefore I need a gun to protect myself.
That takes it even further.
And it says, okay, technically, yes, you can own a gun if you can justify to the officer that you have an extenuating circumstance that you need to own that gun to protect your life.
And so on its face, I can read it two ways.
Yeah, you can justify it to the officer, but to the regular common person, if you're famous, you're a celebrity, or you have a certain business, then sure, they'll give it to you.
However, if I'm just a regular person, good luck actually using that to justify it.
Because they're going to say, you just being a regular person doesn't justify you needing it to protect your life.
And that's what he's saying.
Regular people don't need firearms to protect their lives.
It's special people like him and celebrities and every other elitist who may need these firearms to protect themselves.
But regular people, they don't need firearms.
joe rogan
But it doesn't say that.
colion noir
It doesn't say that.
joe rogan
But it just says to protect your life.
colion noir
That's how they're executing it.
That's why he's able to say with a straight face what he's saying.
joe rogan
But he's not even saying it that there's an option if you need to protect your life.
colion noir
Because he doesn't believe there is one.
joe rogan
Because I think he would rather have the population unarmed.
And I think this particularly rings true after the demonstrations that were, the trucker demonstrations, when he demonized all the truckers as being racist and misogynist.
Like, just an open, generalizing statement.
As a leader, you should be discredited, like, instantaneously.
Like, you're not a fucking leader.
Like, for you to make a generalization on hundreds, if not thousands of people that you don't even know, That is so wild and that you're going to use that to state your point that you don't want these people to be able to protest, which is crazy because it's a giant part of what a civilized democratic society is allowed to do.
colion noir
But yet here we are in America trying to do what they're doing.
joe rogan
Yes.
colion noir
That's the thing that baffles me.
joe rogan
Well, I think there's some people that want to do what they're doing.
colion noir
Yeah, of course.
joe rogan
But there's a giant percentage of our population that's not having it.
colion noir
Yeah.
A huge percentage.
unidentified
A huge.
joe rogan
And more so that they don't know about.
There are so many people that I know that got red-pilled over this...
Listen, you know, I've had this conversation before.
I'm gonna say it again.
I am a liberal.
I am a liberal person.
I am very left-wing on almost all issues.
Except gun control.
When it comes to the Second Amendment, that's one of the ones where I'm very right-wing.
But I've been very right-wing on that for a long time.
Because I know violent people.
I've experienced violence.
I understand crime.
I just know reality and human beings.
And I don't like the idea of being unarmed.
I don't.
I don't agree that it's the safest way, and I don't buy into this nonsense that if you live a good life and you're a good person, it's not going to come to you.
That's crazy.
colion noir
That's not how the world works.
For Christ's sakes, we just had...
joe rogan
Children.
Exactly.
unidentified
Exactly.
colion noir
The most innocent of people on the planet.
joe rogan
Exactly.
colion noir
And so this...
joe rogan
So this is one of those issues where I have friends that they have this ideological wall, and this wall, they hit the wall, where there's nothing, no reasonable answer other than take away all the guns.
colion noir
Well, also, part of it too is, and a good friend of mine once said this, and I was like, yeah, you're right.
The problem is that a lot of those people only see themselves as possible victims of gun violence, never the defender against it.
And when you can only see yourself as the victim, You have to rely on someone else to protect you, which is why the immediate response is, government, take them away.
Make all those guns go away.
joe rogan
It's also why the stories where someone does protect people from a mass shooter, like the story that came out just a few days after.
Got no press.
unidentified
None.
joe rogan
I mean, I saw a little bit of it on some right-wing websites, but for the most part, it was ignored by the mainstream media, particularly by the left-wing media.
I didn't see a fucking peep out of it.
colion noir
And the ones that did?
It was just a small article written up.
Somewhere like 5,000 links down on that page.
unidentified
Exactly.
joe rogan
Toss it away.
But I'm telling you, a lot of my friends that were hardcore lefties got red-pilled over the pandemic when they saw cop cars being lit on fire and houses being broken into.
And when friends got their homes broken into and they called the cops and the cops wouldn't do a damn thing about it.
They were like, holy shit.
I had so many people call me up asking me how to get a gun.
Can I borrow one of their guns?
Could they borrow one of my guns, rather?
colion noir
And you're like, nope, can't.
joe rogan
I'm like, that's not how it works, buddy.
If you move to Texas, I can give you one, which is pretty wild.
colion noir
And so getting to that, that's the whole background check thing.
joe rogan
Yeah.
colion noir
That's that whole thing where – and that's another thing that people don't realize is the way they talk about it, the way the anti-gun lobby talks about background checks, they talk about it as if we don't have background checks in this country.
joe rogan
Right.
colion noir
We do.
You buy a gun from a dealer, you have to get a background check.
joe rogan
Right, but that 18-year-old kid passed a background check, which is crazy.
colion noir
Because there's no criminal history.
joe rogan
Right, because he's only 18. Exactly.
colion noir
Now, the question then remains.
So I hear talks about, okay, well, let's include the juvenile records.
But if a juvenile record doesn't have an offense that's equatable to a felony that prohibits him from owning a firearm, he still would get it.
joe rogan
Did this kid have a juvenile record?
colion noir
I don't know.
I don't know.
I don't think he had anything legally.
He's had some weird acts on his part in the past.
joe rogan
Wasn't his nickname School Shooter?
colion noir
I didn't hear that.
unidentified
Was it?
joe rogan
I don't know if it's true, but someone told me that his nickname in high school was School Shooter.
colion noir
But so then the question remains, it goes, so what do we do?
joe rogan
Find out if that's true.
colion noir
So how do we do it?
So we know this.
This kid's nickname is School Shooter.
And so for all intents and purposes, we want to keep guns out of this kid's hands.
However, the problem is, is once he turns 18, he's adult.
Whether he's 18, 19, 20, 21, 22, 23...
Once he reaches the age where he's legally, constitutionally able to buy a firearm, he has it.
The only thing that can preclude him from doing it is if he commits a felony or he's committed because of some mental health issue.
So he hasn't done anything.
We don't live in the age of minority report where we can arrest people before they actually commit crimes.
So we have to understand constitutional rights have to have a certain bit.
They're either rights or they're not.
joe rogan
Texas gunman was nicknamed the Yubo school shooter on a messaging app.
Yeah, so he really was.
So look at, he also used to wear wacky clothes.
colion noir
He was an interesting kid.
joe rogan
What is Yubo?
Is that another social media app?
Should I get on it?
colion noir
I mean, I jump on every social media app.
joe rogan
Are you on all of them?
colion noir
Yes, it's the only way to get the word out as much as possible because I'm always dealing with either being shadow banned on this platform for a period of time and being shadow banned on that platform.
joe rogan
Yeah, I wanted to talk to you about that.
How shadow banned are you?
colion noir
You know what's weird?
It ebbs and flows.
It's really odd.
I think I'm worse shadowbanned on Facebook and Instagram.
joe rogan
Yeah, Instagram is...
They've hit the brakes on me, baby.
unidentified
Dude.
joe rogan
I don't even do anything!
Which is what's crazy.
colion noir
And what's crazy is the only way I'm able to beat it It's because people share my content so much.
That's the only thing the algorithm can't fight back against, is sharing content.
So the fact that I've been able to grow my audience the way that I have, could you imagine if I wasn't Shadowban?
joe rogan
Right, exactly.
Well, this is what I was going to bring up.
I wanted to look at what it is now.
Okay, yeah.
I'm now at 9.1 million on Twitter.
I was at 8.2 when Elon started talking about buying it.
colion noir
Dude, mine has shot up too on Twitter.
joe rogan
So they must have removed some of the algorithms that were in place to restrict people.
colion noir
It's the only explanation.
It's the only explanation.
jamie vernon
I've heard of a few people that I know personally, and I got a few messages of someone saying alternative thought is that people who were not on the platform liked that Elon bought it and joined.
joe rogan
900,000 just for me?
jamie vernon
It's not that many.
colion noir
It's not that many.
Can't be.
jamie vernon
You're suggested to a lot of people, once they follow one person, follow these five or ten other people.
joe rogan
I know, but it's so quick, Jamie, and it immediately happened right after Elon did it.
I feel like it might be bots, too.
colion noir
I've had it confirmed.
From people on the inside.
They've literally found that I was placed in a particular group of people that was designed to basically shadow ban me.
And then as soon as that person was able to remove me out of there, Floodgates open.
And then somebody else gets—because people forget, these are individuals who are running these things.
You know, it's not—Zuckerberg isn't sitting behind the computer himself saying, we're going to shadowban Joe, we're going to shadowban Coleon Noir.
No, these are just individuals with all types of different ideologies, right?
There are people at Facebook who are exceedingly pro-gun.
And then there are people who are exceedingly anti-gun.
joe rogan
There's not a lot of them.
They gotta keep their fucking mouth shut.
colion noir
Exactly.
And so that's what's happening.
So you get these individuals who are inherently anti and they come across your page and they're like, fuck that guy.
joe rogan
Well, we wouldn't really have proof of any of this if it wasn't for Project Veritas.
colion noir
Truth be told.
joe rogan
Project Veritas.
And, you know, I know a lot of people don't like the way they do business, but that is the only way to get that kind of information.
colion noir
Dudes be talking too much on their dates.
joe rogan
That's what's hilarious.
It's kind of a brilliant move.
You get these single guys, you put tits in front of them, you get a hot lady in front of them, or a hot guy.
colion noir
God forbid they start drinking, too.
They start running.
joe rogan
Yeah, some of them must be hot guys, because a few of those fellas...
colion noir
Oh, yeah, because they're...
joe rogan
A few of those fellas, yeah.
I mean, I don't want to be prejudiced, but I think they might...
colion noir
They're a little zesty.
joe rogan
They're a little zesty.
They might have rainbow underwear.
There's a thing that they do, though, where they get these people comfortable, and then they somehow or another get them talking about their business, and they start talking about how they're essentially communists, about how they ban all these right-wing people or shadow ban them, where they limit the reach of their tweets.
colion noir
And these are people making a decision.
It's not like it's coming from the top down.
These people are making those decisions unilaterally on their own.
And so that's the problem.
And so I've dealt with it countless occasions.
The only reason why my account one day, it's like, floodgates open, I'm getting 100 follows almost every hour, versus...
What the hell?
How am I losing followers at this point?
So it's interesting how that works.
joe rogan
But the losing thing, I always assume that they must be cleaning up bots, but I'm a little...
I'm not sure about that anymore.
jamie vernon
Sorry to cut you off.
I have thousands of people that follow me and unfollow me every single day that my number stays the exact same.
joe rogan
Oh, yeah.
Well, that's normal.
That's normal because people just unfollow you and follow you.
But I'm talking about like big numbers.
And I'm also talking about, you know, you could say that people decided because Elon was going to buy the platform that this is...
colion noir
Not in mass like that.
joe rogan
Right.
And also, it's disproportionately affecting people on the right.
colion noir
It really is.
joe rogan
Even though I'm not on the right.
But I get lumped in that.
I get lumped in that because I'm a cage fighting commentator and a hunter and all that other stuff.
colion noir
The problem though too is...
People who lean more left were losing a ton of followers also.
joe rogan
Well, people, and this is what I was going to say, people who lean more left lost followers when Elon started talking about buying it.
colion noir
But to the extent that they were losing them?
joe rogan
Right.
colion noir
I mean, they were losing them in droves.
Not that many people jumped off Twitter simply because...
Elon was talking about buying it, even though they lean left.
joe rogan
Are we sure, though?
Because Vox had an article on how to bail.
There's a lot of people that decided, which is really wild, because if you go back to 2015, Elon was the left-wing superhero.
People are so goddamn fickle.
colion noir
Fickle, man.
joe rogan
They're so crazy.
unidentified
Fickle.
joe rogan
All of a sudden, they're deciding that he's some...
And now he said he's voting Republican.
They came for him.
unidentified
You got massaged and tried to get jerked off!
joe rogan
It's just wild.
colion noir
I actually tweeted him because he made a statement.
Somebody asked him about AR-15s.
What did he say?
He stated something.
He's like, I think that there should be an extensive evaluation for people who own AR-15s or mental health evaluation and so forth and so on.
And so what I said to him when I was like, here's the problem with that.
One, it's a constitutional right.
And two, understand who's going to be in charge of making those decisions.
joe rogan
That's the problem.
colion noir
Right now, you are trying to protect the first on a platform, and they're trying to destroy you for it.
So imagine what they would try to do to somebody like me, who is a Second Amendment advocate, and I say, I want to be able to own a certain gun, and I have to go through these extensive evaluations.
It's no different than the law we just saw in Canada, where the officer has to approve that it's for life-saving purposes.
joe rogan
Well, the problem with saying that people are trying to destroy him is that there's a thing that happens whenever there's conflict, whenever there's any kind of conflict.
And when you have a guy who is one of the richest men, if not the richest man on earth, and he does anything, there's going to be people mad.
colion noir
Which is true.
joe rogan
They're going to be angry.
And when you're dealing at scale with, like, what are the numbers of people that are on Twitter?
Let's take a guess.
Let's take a guess.
What do you think the number of people on Twitter is?
How many people are, like, active on Twitter?
colion noir
Active?
joe rogan
Active.
colion noir
That are not bots.
joe rogan
I mean, we don't really know what that is.
He thinks the bots might be really high.
colion noir
Because they said 5%.
joe rogan
He thinks it might be 40%.
colion noir
Yeah, I agree.
unidentified
Really?
joe rogan
I think so.
Sometimes I go into, like, I don't post much on Twitter because it's so toxic.
But examine it.
I examine it sometimes for just, not my own post, but other people's posts, just to see what discourse is like.
Like that post about Trudeau.
colion noir
Yeah.
joe rogan
And I go into it and then I see some posts.
I'm like, what is this person saying?
Click on their profile.
Zero followers.
And it's all like weird, random political stuff.
And I'm like, oh, this is not a real human.
colion noir
I don't know if you get it in your comment section.
Because usually I see your post and I'll either like or just go comment and be out.
But are you getting a lot of bots in your Instagram comments?
joe rogan
Dude, do I get bots?
I will post something within seconds.
Okay, let's do it right now.
We'll do it live.
Because we'll do it live where no one will know that we're doing it.
So look at me.
I'm going to do it with you.
Smile.
Bam!
Okay, perfect.
There's you.
I'm gonna immortalize you.
You happy with that?
I'm so used to dealing with women.
Is this a good picture?
colion noir
I'm like, I don't care.
unidentified
I don't know.
joe rogan
Will you put it through a filter?
Damn, you look jacked in this picture.
Alright, so I'm gonna post this on Instagram.
Well, Instagram is the real one for bots.
That's where I get the bots.
Okay.
Fun times talking gun control.
unidentified
Times talking gun control with my friend.
There we go.
Bam.
joe rogan
Okay, so right now I'm gonna put it up there right this very second ready set go share and now I'm gonna look and we're gonna check it out bam okay no comments yet so now they don't follow me for me what Oh, never mind.
colion noir
That's my other page.
jamie vernon
You already have seven comments.
joe rogan
I already have seven comments.
unidentified
They're all bots.
joe rogan
They're all bots.
unidentified
That's fucking nuts.
joe rogan
But it's way more now.
Look at it.
Look at this.
Look at all the comments.
These are all bots.
Look at it.
Just look at that.
Why does everyone always judge me after seeing my stories?
But look at the language, too.
Why does everyone always judge me after seeing my stories?
That bitch is Russian.
That's a man.
Look at that one.
Look at their booty.
How long...
Can you make it so we can read the whole thing, please?
How long and strong you make duration with me?
Why everyone always judge me after seeing my stories?
Me or your girlfriend?
It's all butts.
colion noir
Need help.
I think women with BBLs just are naturally attracted to you.
joe rogan
What is BBL? Brazilian butt lifts?
Brazilian butt lifts, yeah.
That makes me sad that people are getting operations.
I was telling you that I... Look at this.
colion noir
Wow, wow, wow, wow, wow.
joe rogan
Why everyone?
It's all bots.
colion noir
I mean, you did post me, so the wow, wow, wow, wow, wow kind of makes sense with the hard eyes.
unidentified
Look at your art.
joe rogan
You look jacked, dude.
Look at those guns, son.
colion noir
I've been in the gym, bro.
joe rogan
Look at the guns.
What's your...
Look at Faforite style.
Jesus Christ, how bad is the English of these bots?
There's no greater joy...
What does that say?
Financial freedom.
Yeah, yeah, yeah.
Bot, bot, bot.
Is he still simping for the NRA? That's a real person.
That's a real person.
That's a real person.
That's a guy with a little dick, I bet.
Thanks for coming to my rescue when I needed someone to help me out.
Yeah.
Quickest draw in the West.
Oh, that's you.
That's real.
I'll take that, too.
My mother said I'm too pretty to be ignored.
Is that true?
colion noir
This is within 48 seconds!
joe rogan
Joy of the heart.
Just received my profile.
I can now clear up all my debt and start my own business.
I'm paying five grand to seven people.
Ivanka admitted there was no voter fraud.
What is that?
Is that real?
I don't know.
Yeah, that's more fake too.
It's all bots.
It's literally 99% bots.
colion noir
And if you go, none of them are following you.
joe rogan
No?
colion noir
No.
joe rogan
So how did they get it?
colion noir
Because I'm like, what's going on?
So I was like, man, let me go see if they're following me.
They're not following me.
joe rogan
Okay, let me check on this right now.
Check this one.
Not following me.
22 plus.
Model.
She's 20. She's 22. I think she likes you, dude.
colion noir
I think she likes me, too.
Jesus.
joe rogan
Is that even a human?
You don't even know.
It could be artificial generated, you know?
They're generating people now.
Generate that, son.
It's kind of crazy, but here's my question.
What are they getting out of that?
colion noir
I don't know.
I mean, people fall for it, though.
joe rogan
But what do they do?
Do they click on the profile?
jamie vernon
Let's click on the profile.
joe rogan
Right, but if they get a hit, what do they get?
jamie vernon
You can fall into a trap to give someone gift cards and that bullshit.
joe rogan
Okay, let's go on one of them.
jamie vernon
I'm not.
unidentified
No?
joe rogan
Well, I can't.
jamie vernon
I can't compromise my account.
colion noir
So it happens on YouTube, too.
So what they'll do is they'll take a thumbnail of me, and then they'll comment in all my videos, and then tell them, call this number, and they're thinking it's me.
Call this number and you've won this free prize or something like that.
And so I got to get on there.
I'm like, I make videos.
I'm like, look, that's not me.
Stop doing that.
And then they'll like send information or in some cases send money.
I got it really bad at one point on Facebook.
Facebook's done a better job of nipping that in the bud where literally people were getting scammed out of money thinking it was me.
And then I'm like, no, that's not me.
And then people getting mad at me, like, where the hell's my stuff?
And I'm like, yo, what are you talking about?
joe rogan
Yeah, I've given up on trying to stop all the fucking fake me's.
There's the weird industry that has emerged of scamming people online.
And it's really kind of fascinating.
When you're saying it's a numbers game, I wonder how many people...
jamie vernon
As you're saying that online, I go, didn't they just used to do it by the mail before?
colion noir
Yeah, it just transcended online.
joe rogan
But I think it's way more lucrative now, right?
colion noir
Because you have access to such an enormous amount of people in a short period of time versus like Jamie was saying with mail.
You know, it just takes a lot longer.
joe rogan
Why not bring in another viewpoint, someone says.
Shut up.
This is one of the rare times where I read comments.
I want to go to one of these bots.
Okay, I'm going to go to this bot.
So it says, oh, this is different.
This is a cartoon maker.
See, I think there's a lot of those that are fake, too.
I've seen a lot of those that are basically the same thing.
They say, I make cartoons, I make an image of you.
jamie vernon
For instance.
joe rogan
Oh, that's a real dude.
jamie vernon
No, it's not.
What they'll also do is then...
joe rogan
How do you know it's not a real guy?
jamie vernon
Eh, it's not.
What a lot of them will do, they'll get access to someone's account on Facebook, take all of their data, use their pictures to then create a fake account that looks like a real person, talks like a real person, knows things about that.
joe rogan
The ones that don't even let you follow them are fascinating.
You have to follow them in order to...
colion noir
Oh, in order to see, yeah.
Yeah, yeah.
joe rogan
Oh, this account is private.
jamie vernon
Like, look, that looks like a real girl, right?
joe rogan
This is another one that's private.
jamie vernon
Her original account was deleted at 60k.
joe rogan
She's real.
Shut the fuck up.
That's a real girl.
Stop.
She's my friend.
Don't be an asshole.
Can you imagine being a sad, sad dude?
colion noir
And then they'll say something like, deleted at 60k to justify why their followers are sold out.
jamie vernon
Yeah, but there's a 12-year-old, 14-year-old, 15-year-old that hasn't been online that long that doesn't know these games and they'll fall for it one night.
joe rogan
Okay, I want to click on this link, but I don't.
It says adults only, hottie, adult performer, musician.
colion noir
You might not want to click on it.
joe rogan
I do, though.
I don't, but I do.
Like, I want to know what the scam is.
jamie vernon
Let me click on that one.
It's going to take to another more link, though, I bet.
joe rogan
Do you have some sort of a block?
Oh, my God, that's her butt for real?
This is a real girl, Jamie.
colion noir
You should apologize to her.
joe rogan
That's a real girl.
That might be a boy.
By the way, today, they do a great job on those fake butts that they put on biological males.
So if you click on things, do you have some protection?
jamie vernon
On this one, no.
That's why I'm not clicking on that.
Yeah, don't, don't, don't.
That's the game.
joe rogan
So they get you to click on that, and then it's like an OnlyFans type deal?
Or is it something else?
jamie vernon
At the end of the day, it could be getting a track, like the way trackers you set up on your computer, they get a keylogger on there, they find your information, or they're just trying to trick you into putting it in somewhere.
joe rogan
Or trying to trick you into an OnlyFans account, like if you sign up for an OnlyFans account.
Even if you're a sucker, and you go, oh, this is bullshit, and you pay.
colion noir
Well, I think in those cases, those girls are kind of real.
Some of them.
Yeah, because what they want to do is get, you know, they actually want people to sign up for their OnlyFans, right?
And you have to have the content there to actually keep them there.
joe rogan
But don't they steal content from someone else's OnlyFans?
jamie vernon
They also pay for people to engage.
I don't know if you know about that.
joe rogan
I do.
I heard about that.
I was watching an interview where this- What happened?
These girls hire men to write to other men with their photos.
So, like, they'll have a manager, and the manager will handle, like, all these different women.
And then they sign up for OnlyFans, and they give them a piece of it.
They're like, look, I'll take, you know, X percent.
You take the rest.
Well, I'll write all these things.
And we'll hire people that engage with these guys all day long.
colion noir
And they're thinking they're engaging.
joe rogan
Yeah.
And so they think they're having, like, a text buddy relationship with these girls.
And they're sending them heart face emojis and clasping hands and the whole deal.
And they think they're in love.
colion noir
And that OnlyFans stuff is interesting, man.
That's some nutty shit to me.
joe rogan
It's wild because there's so many sad guys out there, man.
There's so many sad, sad, sad dudes that, like, that alone is, like, to be able to interact with a woman like that.
colion noir
Well, I mean, I think it's just the reality of the dating market now.
joe rogan
How so?
colion noir
Social media.
It's different.
Like, girls have access to men they otherwise never had access to before.
So you're getting this cluster effect of they're only going to go after the guys they absolutely want.
Where before, you had it where you only dealt with the people in your environment.
joe rogan
Right, at a club or wherever you went.
colion noir
Exactly.
joe rogan
Yeah, you had to meet people in real life.
colion noir
Because before it's like, say for instance, let's say Michael B. Jordan, right?
If a girl was really into Michael B. Jordan, before the only way she could possibly get his attention is to what?
unidentified
Maybe...
colion noir
Happen to run into him somewhere.
joe rogan
And she'd have to be a full psycho.
Exactly.
Full psycho to leave the house.
jamie vernon
So Sagar posted this yesterday where people met online, couples.
I don't know how long they were dating in this case, but as of 2020, it's like the most people meet online.
colion noir
Yeah.
jamie vernon
According to every other person.
joe rogan
Well, how the fuck was anybody meeting online in 1940?
unidentified
Well...
Compare that to me.
joe rogan
Okay, so met online.
So in the olden days, back in the day, they met through friends, right?
Is that what it's saying?
jamie vernon
Yeah, like that was the most popular.
joe rogan
Most people met through friends or they met in a bar or restaurant or, yeah.
And now most people meet online.
Wow, look at the numbers.
It is a rocket ship towards meeting online.
jamie vernon
Family set it up.
That was before 1940. That was the highest.
It's like we arrange marriages or, you know, I've got a niece or a son.
colion noir
Exactly.
jamie vernon
Yeah.
joe rogan
Look at all the people that used to meet through church or they meet as co-workers.
Co-workers, a lot of fucking going on in that office.
unidentified
Work husbands, work wives.
joe rogan
Once people started getting in trouble for that, look at the drop in people meeting as co-workers.
Isn't that wild?
The 2010 to 2020, look at that.
2010 to 2020 drop-off.
It's a crazy drop-off.
Too risky.
Yeah, wild.
colion noir
I don't shit what you eat.
joe rogan
But what's interesting is, though, guys are still vulnerable to that.
Oh, absolutely.
They're not trying, but if a girl still tries, we're dumb.
colion noir
Guys are dumb.
joe rogan
Oh, so dumb.
That used to be like a move where a girl would, like, get a job as a secretary to meet a guy who's an executive.
colion noir
I mean, girls did it in college.
Like, girls, like, what are you studying?
I'm studying my MRS. What's MRS? My missus.
Oh.
joe rogan
They used to say that?
colion noir
Yeah.
joe rogan
There's a girl who's kind of famous on YouTube because she talks openly about submitting to her husband.
Do you know this girl?
colion noir
I think I know who you're talking about.
joe rogan
And she talks about how, you know, people submit to their boss, you know, all the time.
colion noir
But they don't submit to their- Yeah.
joe rogan
And that, you know, we have a great relationship and we cooperate together and I'm essentially a professional wife.
colion noir
I mean, feminism has turned the word submission into a bad word.
I mean, this is what it is.
joe rogan
I mean, it's like, who are you submitting to?
Are you submitting to someone who loves you and cares for you and is looking out for you genuinely?
Or are you submitting to some guy who's an asshole who just has money?
colion noir
There's that, too.
I think that's why...
I've always said it, too.
Like, any time I deal with anyone, I don't ask you two things.
It's loyalty and respect.
I don't need your love.
unidentified
What?
joe rogan
You don't need love from a girl?
colion noir
Low-team respect.
joe rogan
Dude, you're a rapper.
colion noir
No, I'm being dead serious.
Think about it like this.
joe rogan
You're a gangster.
That's such a gangster thing to say.
colion noir
There are things people won't do because they respect you.
There are things people will do even if they love you.
It's different.
I'm not saying I don't want love at all.
I'm just saying I prioritize that loyalty and respect.
joe rogan
Also, what's your standard for love?
There's some people that think of love, they right away love people.
And then there's people that you've got to really, really earn the word love.
colion noir
That's how I am.
joe rogan
I think in most cases that's true, but if I'm drunk.
colion noir
I think that's a different L word.
joe rogan
I love everybody from drunk.
colion noir
Yeah.
It's funny.
I think I do a pretty good job monitoring myself when I'm drunk.
joe rogan
Yeah.
The problem with drunk is then you sober up.
colion noir
Yeah.
joe rogan
Imagine if there was a drug that you could take that had no side effects, that just kept you buzzed all day long.
colion noir
No, I've gotten my drink into a science on that level.
joe rogan
Really?
colion noir
Yep.
joe rogan
How do you do it?
colion noir
I just know how my body reacts.
Because you know how I'm like, I won't smoke weed, I won't do anything, right?
Except alcohol, which is probably the worst, but whatever.
unidentified
It is.
joe rogan
It is.
colion noir
But I think what it is, is I hit a certain level where I don't like the feeling.
And so I don't like feeling shit-faced.
So for me, I'll hit a point where I'm...
Floating, right?
And once I'm there, I'll stop.
I'll shut it off.
I won't drink anymore.
joe rogan
Are you aware of glutathione?
colion noir
Yes, I am.
joe rogan
Yeah, liposomal glutathione.
colion noir
I think we talked about that.
joe rogan
Yeah, I think we did.
But for people that didn't hear that, it has a really significant effect on your body's ability to process alcohol.
I mean, it's not, I think it's been exaggerated by some people, you know, but there's a real legitimate effect, documented effect, that liposomal glutathione has on your body's ability to process alcohol.
And there's a lot of people that take glutathione when they're drinking to manage your body's processing.
colion noir
I don't remember the last time I had a hangover.
joe rogan
Really?
colion noir
Yeah.
I told you, I have it down to a science.
A lot of it, too, is when I'm so, like, especially when I come to Austin, because I do actually most of my partying in Austin.
joe rogan
Really?
colion noir
Oh, yeah.
joe rogan
This is where you get hammered?
colion noir
Yeah, pretty much.
unidentified
Why?
colion noir
Sunday fun days, man.
Sunday fun days, man.
joe rogan
But why up here?
Why do you come up here to get fun?
colion noir
I just like the energy here.
It's a fun town.
I just love the energy here.
joe rogan
It is a fun town.
colion noir
It is very fun.
Very fun.
And so for me, but I'm always, when I'm drinking like that, especially during the day, you'll notice, and some of my friends get annoyed with me because they're like, shots!
I'm like, no.
unidentified
Really?
colion noir
Because I'll shut it down because I know when I hit my point.
joe rogan
Right.
colion noir
And then at that point, they'll give me a shot and I'm drinking water.
joe rogan
Well, you're a good person to talk about gun control with then, because you're like a controlled guy.
You know what I'm saying?
That's control.
That kind of control and awareness of limitations and being smart about things and seeing where things go bad.
colion noir
I think also, too, there's a component where, I mean, I know there are a lot of eyes on me as well, too.
Not that I, honestly, but that's not even, you talk to my friends who knew me before I kind of developed this platform, I was always kind of that way, too.
But I'm very cognizant and aware that, like, I can be out and people know me and I don't realize that they know me.
joe rogan
There's a limited amount of people in that space, in the gun control space, that have not just a voice but also an intelligent perspective and can have these really reasonable, even-keeled debates and discussions of things.
colion noir
Maybe I'm an idiot because I know I got a lot of friends who are in the gun space who are like, man, I can't do what you do because I don't want to deal with it.
joe rogan
Well, I don't think you're an idiot.
I think you just are better at handling that kind of shit than a lot of people are.
colion noir
Yeah.
Maybe to my detriment.
joe rogan
Do you have conversations with people?
Do you ever have debates with people that think that we should take away all the AR-15s?
colion noir
It's funny you bring that up.
So before I came here, I went to the hotel restaurant that I was staying at, and there was a bartender, she was there, who was taking my order.
And so she was looking at my shirt, and she's like, if you know, you know.
Because that's what the I, the K, the Y, and all that stuff stands for.
joe rogan
What does it say?
colion noir
If you know, you know.
That's what the acronym I-K-Y-K stands for.
joe rogan
What does it say?
colion noir
On the inside, it's the actual verbiage of the Second Amendment.
joe rogan
Oh!
colion noir
Yeah.
And so the whole basis of the shirt is...
joe rogan
A well-regulated militia.
colion noir
...being necessary to his tiered of a free state.
The people that keep and bear arms shall not be in front.
joe rogan
Is this your t-shirt?
colion noir
Yeah, it's my t-shirt.
joe rogan
Oh, from your company?
colion noir
Yeah.
And so that's the point.
So all of my designs, all of my t-shirts and merch...
joe rogan
Is that a Glock hat?
colion noir
No, this is my logo.
Oh.
It looks like it.
joe rogan
It looks similar to the Glock logo.
colion noir
Nah, they stole it from me.
joe rogan
Did they?
colion noir
No.
joe rogan
How dare you?
colion noir
You got me for something.
No.
But my designs are designed to kind of evoke curiosity, to have the conversation.
And so literally, I'm sitting at the bar, and she's like, if you know, you know.
And I'm like, oh, I'm surprised you picked up on that.
And then she was like, well, what does that say on the inside?
And so she reads it, and she's like, oh, the Second Amendment.
And so I was like, yeah.
And so in my mind, I'm like, I'm in Austin.
I'm like, mm, I'm not sure how this is going to go.
unidentified
This can go, fuck yeah, she can give you knuckles, or she can call you a piece of shit.
colion noir
Yeah, so it actually fell in the middle.
joe rogan
Really?
colion noir
Yeah.
So we actually, we conversed for about 30, 40 minutes.
You know, I sat there stuffing my face while we sat and we talked, because they just opened, so it was pretty slow.
And she was like, you know, I just think there needs to be some laws.
And I'm like, you know, well, there are laws.
It's not like we're starting from zero.
You know, we have like 300 federal gun laws and then close to 20,000 on the state and local level.
And so she's like, yeah, but what about background checks?
We need background checks.
I'm like, we have background checks.
And oddly enough, like in that moment when she said background checks, I knew she didn't know that we already have them.
But I didn't want this to turn into an argument.
I wanted it to be a conversation.
So I was like, how do I retort that without making it seem like I'm being combative?
And so I'm like, well, we do actually have background checks.
Anytime you buy a gun from a dealer, you have to get a background check.
She's like, but do you really?
I'm like, yeah, you do.
And so the conversation went from there.
We didn't fix the world's problems in that conversation.
But we had an open enough conversation where I could tell she was more open-minded about certain aspects of stuff and realized some of the things she didn't know.
While at the same time, I let her speak to me in a way where I got a better understanding of where someone like her is coming from on the issue.
So that we can have that conversation in a productive manner.
It wasn't from the position of, you want to ban guns?
I don't want you to take just my right.
It wasn't that.
It was, okay, but here's the reality.
Here are the facts.
And then this is where your stance on it is.
And that's my ultimate goal for what I do, especially with my videos.
Like, a lot of people, not a lot of people, but I've seen the comments sometimes.
People are like, well, stop, you know, stop making these videos.
Not stop making the videos, but there's like this is pointless going on because they're never going to change their mind.
And I'm like, this video isn't for the extreme.
It's not even a lot of times for the people who are extremely in agreeance with me.
It's for the people in the middle.
joe rogan
There's a lot of people in the middle.
colion noir
Like a ton.
And they're really honestly just looking for adequate information to make the decision on.
That's what they're trying to do and that's what I'm trying to give them when I put my videos out.
So that's who I'm speaking to.
Now, sometimes I get a little fruitful.
joe rogan
Fruitful?
unidentified
Fruitful.
colion noir
When it comes to like some, not zesty fruitful, but you know.
joe rogan
Zesty.
unidentified
I like how you use it.
joe rogan
It is pride money.
Zesty is a good one.
Zesty is positive.
It's a positive expression.
colion noir
I think it's an awesome term.
joe rogan
It's a great time.
It's a great time.
colion noir
But, you know, it's for me, you know, like sometimes with certain celebrities, I'll get a little fruitful in the way I kind of handle the video.
But for the most part, I'm trying to educate the masses of people in the middle who are looking to get information because a lot of them either get straight up lies that is being pushed by the anti-gun lobby or they just are just ignorant.
On all the laws, the gun conversation altogether, because this has been the biggest conversation that—this is as big as the conversation has ever gotten with respect to the gun conversation in America.
And a lot of it has to do with social media.
If social media did not exist to the degree that it does right now, the state of gun rights in this country would be nil.
joe rogan
You think so?
colion noir
I absolutely agree.
joe rogan
So you think that social media has actually accentuated gun rights?
colion noir
Absolutely.
Until they realized how powerful it was, and then we started getting shadow back.
Because what happens is, because before, most of the information was coming from the mainstream media.
That's where all the conversations were being had.
CNN isn't running to get Coleon Noir to come onto the platform.
Now, in all fairness, I will say this.
Recently, I think CNN did a piece on AR-15s.
And somebody from CNN reached out to me and wanted me to be a part of it.
I was traveling.
I couldn't do it.
But even then, I was a little kind of hesitant.
joe rogan
I think that subject is too multifaceted and complex to be handled in a five-minute segment.
unidentified
I agree.
joe rogan
Especially there would be you and then there'd be someone on the other side that is the anti-gun person.
colion noir
Funny thing, it wasn't even like a conversation type piece.
It was one of those kind of like investigative kind of deals.
joe rogan
Oh, so they wanted to interview you and then edit you out of context and take the worship that you say.
colion noir
Exactly.
And that's why typically I only like to do things live.
If I'm going to do anything from an opposition standpoint, and I don't mean I'm calling people who disagree me the ops, but I like to do it live so that there's no misconstruing of what I'm saying or what I'm trying to communicate.
I'm not too prone to doing pre-recorded with them because I know how things can be taken out of context.
They've done it to me for years.
I'm a little hesitant to do pre-recorded stuff, even though sometimes my arrogance...
We'll want to.
Because I've been doing this for so long, I think, oh no, I can navigate all the tricks and stuff.
And I had to pull myself back because I'm like, there are people who are way more experienced at this and they still get caught up in that.
So I'm not going to be so arrogant as to assume I can navigate the pitfalls that come with doing something pre-recorded with people who are legitimately trying to trip you up.
joe rogan
I've seen people take answers to a different question and apply them to a question that makes that answer look horrible.
I've seen people do that.
I've seen that on television, on regular television, where I know...
In fact, I've seen the original video.
Yeah, it's horrible.
colion noir
And there's nothing you can do about that.
joe rogan
Nothing you can do about it.
And those kind of deceptive practices have always been a part of the media.
I have an opinion that I've been developing more and more lately that I feel like, almost like news should be non-profit.
I know that sounds crazy, but I feel like there should be a rigorous examination of the objective facts, what we absolutely understand, almost by like a third party that's completely unbiased and that's regulated.
And you shouldn't do that either, because then you have right-wing politics, there's left-wing politics.
colion noir
They've done it to me!
I remember when we, remember the Kyle Rittenhouse?
joe rogan
Yes.
colion noir
Right?
Kyle Rittenhouse, I remember when I did the Kyle Rittenhouse, actually, that's a different situation.
That was Facebook banning me for just doing a legal breakdown of the actual situation.
unidentified
They banned you?
colion noir
Yes.
joe rogan
Facebook banned you for doing a breakdown?
colion noir
Temporarily, yes.
What did they say?
They banned the video and then they said, because remember, that's when Zuckerberg got up in there and was basically like, we're treating him like a mass shooter.
unidentified
Oh my god.
colion noir
Yeah.
So they immediately banned the video and then they were like, yeah, we're banning your account temporarily because you posted a video about Kyle Rittenhouse.
Now, I also did another video where I said, I think it was about background checks, right?
And I said, 90% of Americans do not agree with universal background checks.
distinction.
joe rogan
What does that mean?
colion noir
So universal background checks.
So there's background checks, and then they've coined this term universal background checks, or what else do they call it?
Extended background checks, right?
So when they talk background checks, they're talking about universal or extended background checks, which is they want to require background checks for private transfers.
So for instance, like if I came here now and wanted to give you a gun here in Texas, they want it to be federally required that you and I would have to go to a gun store, you get a background check before I can give you the gun.
unidentified
Thank you.
colion noir
You still, we have background checks.
Like if you were to go to a gun store and buy a gun, yeah, you have to get a background check.
You go to a gun show, get a gun, you got to get a background check.
joe rogan
But what is the loophole for gun shows that people always talk about?
colion noir
It's not a loophole.
It's what we're talking about right now.
So if you and I said, hey, I was like, hey, I have this gun.
You want to buy it?
And you're like, yeah.
All right.
Where do you want to meet?
All right.
Meet me at this gun show.
And then we exchange it there.
joe rogan
But if a person sells a gun at a gun show at a stand.
colion noir
At a stand, yes.
They are a dealer.
Therefore, you need to run a background check on everybody who buys the gun there.
joe rogan
But if someone bought a gun legally at a stand and then brought it to you and said, do you want to buy it?
They could just sell it to you.
colion noir
They could technically sell it to you.
joe rogan
Because they're an individual.
colion noir
However, they will run into the straw purchase aspect of the law.
Because then what that does is that gives you constructive intent to say, hey, look, this person bought this gun to sell it to somebody else.
That is a straw purchase.
joe rogan
Now, is that universal in terms of all 50 states?
colion noir
No.
So, some states you can't have private transactions.
joe rogan
Oh, what states are those?
colion noir
I don't know all of them.
But, of course, California, New York, Connecticut.
What else?
I can't remember all the ones.
joe rogan
New York makes it very difficult to get a handgun.
Is that correct?
colion noir
Yes.
joe rogan
California, you can get a handgun pretty easy.
You just can't carry.
colion noir
Can't carry...
I mean, they're loosening up some of the restrictions as far as carries.
Like, you talked about handing out permits in some places.
L.A. County is a different story.
But I think some people are.
I think they're even loosening up.
joe rogan
They're loosening up in L.A. County.
colion noir
They have no choice, though, because L.A. is turning into the fucking perch.
Yeah.
joe rogan
Literally.
colion noir
Yeah.
But...
There are some states where you're allowed to have private transactions without requiring a background check, and then there are some states where you can't do that.
That's universal background check.
There are extended background checks.
That's what we're talking about.
The funny thing about it is most of these mass shooters are not getting their guns through private transactions.
They're getting background checks and then acquiring the firearms.
That's the weird thing about it.
But a lot of people think that we just don't have background checks at all.
joe rogan
Or they're getting them from somebody else who got them from illegal means.
colion noir
Exactly, right?
joe rogan
Like one of the guys got it from his parents, right?
colion noir
Yes, exactly.
He stole it.
I don't want to say his name.
I make a point not to say their names.
But yes, he stole it from his mother.
And so for a lot of people, they see that and they go, well, yeah, we need background checks.
Well, we have them.
And then when we talk about private transactions, I have a problem with requiring background checks on private transfers because I know what it takes for them to be effective.
You cannot enforce a universal background check basically requiring you and I have to go and get a background check before I can give you a gun.
You can't enforce that unless there is a national gun registration.
There has to be a registry with all the guns in place that the government has with all the information, location, and everything in order for them to effectively enforce that.
Because if I pull a gun out of my bag right now and hand you a gun, Right?
And I say, this is yours.
You can keep it.
It's a gift from me to you.
And then you go about your life and the cop pulls you over and says, hey, did you get a background check for that gun?
Yeah, I did.
How would they know you're lying?
Unless they have a database of every transaction that took place with every firearm that they can go and say, well, this particular gun belongs to Collier Noir.
joe rogan
But is it unreasonable to have that?
colion noir
What do you mean?
Yes.
joe rogan
It is unreasonable.
colion noir
I absolutely believe it's unreasonable.
joe rogan
Why do you think it's unreasonable to have it?
colion noir
Because every registration that this country, this world has ever had has resulted in the confiscation.
Australia, they had a registration.
Then they subsequently used that registration to confiscate firearms.
And they don't even have to go door to door to do it.
That's what people don't realize.
All they have to say is, you don't turn their gun in, we're going to come arrest you.
joe rogan
They would have to literally arrest almost everybody.
Unless everybody complied.
colion noir
Exactly.
But see, here's the thing, though.
Do you want to be the person they make an example out of?
So think about it.
All they would have to do is this.
joe rogan
Make an example out of a few people, high-profile people.
colion noir
They'll come to my black ass in a heartbeat.
Colin Noir, you didn't turn your guns in.
Yes, I did.
Nope.
We have the registration.
We have all your guns right here.
None of these guns were turned in.
We're taking you in.
Now I'm in fucking prison because I didn't turn in my firearms.
Now everybody else who's not me is looking at it like, damn.
It's kind of like, remember Napster?
When they were charging certain people with stealing music.
joe rogan
Oh, I do remember they did that.
That's right.
colion noir
It's the same concept.
joe rogan
Some people went to jail for that.
colion noir
Exactly.
And it scared me.
I stopped downloading on that.
I'm like, I don't want y'all coming over here in my college dorm room arresting me because I'm fucking downloading.
joe rogan
Well, I stopped downloading because I'm a good person.
colion noir
Shut up, Joe.
joe rogan
I didn't stop downloading.
I did make a point of buying CDs if I liked the music that I downloaded for free.
colion noir
Fair enough.
But that's kind of rude.
You're just kind of making yourself feel better.
joe rogan
Exactly.
I'm a piece of shit.
That was a piece of shit move.
But that was one of those things where no one knew, is this stealing?
Is it not stealing?
colion noir
It's weird.
It's kind of like, I mean, I really honestly, I love music so much that I didn't even want to let my brain go there because I know that I probably wouldn't be able to justify it.
joe rogan
What they have done is pretty fascinating, though, with subscription services like Spotify and Apple Music.
unidentified
I love it.
joe rogan
I love that you can tell me about a song, and I can just go, oh, okay, bam, and then I get it, and it's on my phone.
I'll pay a little money for that.
colion noir
Oh, I have Spotify, I have Apple, I have other streamings like...
joe rogan
You have Jay-Z's?
colion noir
I had Tidal for a while.
joe rogan
Is that good?
colion noir
I didn't like the interface that much.
joe rogan
What's the best one?
colion noir
I'm still a Spotify user.
You don't have to say that because you're here.
Huh?
joe rogan
You don't have to say that because you're here.
colion noir
No, I'm being dead serious.
I forgot you were on Spotify.
unidentified
Me too.
colion noir
Truth be told.
But I started using them initially.
Right.
And I love the interface.
And so I just got entrenched in it.
It's like me and Apple.
My whole ecosystem is Apple now, so I don't have a desire to go anywhere else, and everything else works just fine for me.
joe rogan
I wish Apple came up with a keyboard that's worth a fuck.
colion noir
Oh yeah, we talked about that.
You like the long throw.
I'm a writer.
joe rogan
I write.
colion noir
I like the short, though.
I can go faster.
unidentified
No.
colion noir
Yeah, I remember you telling me.
joe rogan
No, you don't go faster.
You never used a ThinkPad.
colion noir
No, granted, I do most of them.
joe rogan
They're the best.
ThinkPads have a curved keyboard.
colion noir
I'll tell you what.
joe rogan
No, no, no.
The actual keys have a curve to them where your finger sits in it, and it recognizes exactly where you're at.
It's genius.
colion noir
I've never used it, so I can't.
joe rogan
Lenovo Thinkpads are the shit.
The writing experience when you're writing is so much smoother.
unidentified
Really?
joe rogan
Yes.
It's statistically proven to have less errors.
They've taken people that type X amount of words per minute, and they can improve the number of words per minute that they write just using a Lenovo.
Just using those long throw keys.
Let's see, but that's only PC. Yeah, but you can get a keyboard, like a Bluetooth keyboard, that will mimic that.
They have some hardcore ones, like mechanical keys, which are incredible, because they have like clickety-clack to them, and you know exactly whether or not you pressed a T or an R, and when you do it like that, man, it's like your errors, it's like for me, When I write, 65% of the time I'm stoned.
colion noir
When I write, I'm drinking.
joe rogan
I don't need to think where the keys are.
I just want to think about the ideas.
And that allows me, my fingers flow over those keys in a natural way.
As a matter of fact, one of my Apple laptops is a 2015 laptop that I had refurbished because the keys were better.
They had more throw to them back then.
And everybody's going with sleek Everybody wants good-looking and sleek.
I know you're an aesthetics guy.
When I see your pocket dump, you got everything lined up, it's all pretty, and you like the way shit looks.
I guess I kind of do, too.
Obviously, look at this garbage all over this fucking table.
colion noir
You're more of a aesthetic guy than you like to let on.
unidentified
In which way?
colion noir
I mean, there's a certain aesthetic to this place.
It doesn't necessarily have to be like ultra-modern, clean, minimalism.
But it's organized chaos.
joe rogan
I guess.
There's some organization to it.
colion noir
Yours is like rustic chaos.
joe rogan
Yeah, there's a little rustic to that.
Yeah, there's a little of that.
But I also like function.
And for me, with writing, I need a keyboard that functions.
I was actually talking to my friend Lex.
I was over at his house the other day.
And he has one of those...
Keys that are keyboards that are separated and then concave.
colion noir
That miscellaneous drives me crazy.
Like the thought of that.
I don't know why.
joe rogan
You don't have to move your hands.
It's just everything is like...
And I go, how is that?
I go, I used to have one of those.
I haven't used one of those in a long time.
He goes, oh, they ruin you for other keyboards.
colion noir
Well, I think the reason why I don't like that is because I'm constantly going back and forth to my mouth because when I'm writing, I'm researching at the same time.
So I'm like writing, going here, going here, click.
You know what I mean?
joe rogan
Right.
colion noir
I don't necessarily need to have a static position on the keyboard because I'm constantly moving my hands anyway.
joe rogan
I see what you're saying.
I just like it to be the thing I think about the least.
One of the things I really love about both, I have a Samsung phone too and I can do it on that as well, is that I can talk into my notes and I can, you know, like if I'm out and I have an idea, I just like a lot of, like all this, a lot of this shit, these are ideas that I have for material, a lot of that shit I just talk into my phone and it types it out.
And it's amazing how good it works.
colion noir
Usually what I'll do is like I have the same setup except I have my reminders and then I'll have like different lists and then I'll just go type it.
So like if I'm working...
joe rogan
I wonder if it works with...
Here we go.
Coleon Noir.
Bam.
colion noir
So it's actually pretty accurate.
joe rogan
Yeah.
And it's reading you saying it's actually pretty accurate.
unidentified
Oh, wow.
colion noir
That's nutty.
joe rogan
Yeah.
So I clicked on the keyboard before it said accurate, but it heard you say that.
Like, say something right now.
colion noir
Wow.
I think it's pretty nutty that you're able to accurately dictate exactly what I'm saying.
Okay.
That's creepy.
joe rogan
That's amazing.
Right?
colion noir
It's in real time.
joe rogan
Come on, that's amazing.
colion noir
That's Notepad?
joe rogan
That's Notes.
That's Notes on Apple.
It's not a new application.
colion noir
See, I've been using Evernotes for everything.
Evernotes is great.
I haven't used the dictation on Evernotes yet.
joe rogan
Evernotes is great, but the thing is that this is native to Apple.
colion noir
Ah, gotcha.
joe rogan
But Samsung has Samsung Notes, so you could do it on that, and Google has the same kind of thing.
unidentified
Okay.
joe rogan
But the voice recognition software is fantastic now.
It's really good.
unidentified
Okay.
colion noir
See, I just left it in the dust, because before it would just be too nervous.
Like, it just wouldn't write what I told it to write.
joe rogan
Just some of that.
Like I sent a text out to a friend of mine today and they fucked it up and I didn't realize it until after I sent it.
colion noir
Do you send like voice text?
joe rogan
Sometimes, yeah.
colion noir
I hate people that do that.
unidentified
Ah!
colion noir
No, no, no.
joe rogan
Not a voicemail text?
Like voice message?
colion noir
Yeah, voice message where it's not writing it out.
unidentified
No.
joe rogan
It's like an audio that you have to listen to.
Yeah.
colion noir
That's weird.
joe rogan
Yeah.
colion noir
You do that?
joe rogan
Those are annoying.
No, I don't do that.
colion noir
I notice people in California do it the most.
joe rogan
Really?
colion noir
Yes.
joe rogan
You got to become friends with Alex Jones.
That's how he communicates with me, because they all disappear.
But no, you can talk into it.
Like, I can send you a text message.
Like, instead of saying, hey, go around to the right-hand corner of the building, and there's a red door.
Knock on that.
We'll let you in.
I can just say it.
colion noir
Gotcha.
joe rogan
Go around to the corner of the building.
There's a red door.
I'll let you in.
Bam.
unidentified
Bam.
joe rogan
Press send.
And so I don't have to fuck with the thumb thing.
colion noir
I'm dumb.
You're right, because I do it in my Apple CarPlay.
joe rogan
Oh yeah, I do that.
I do that all the time, like when I'm driving.
I'll say, you know, text Jamie.
And it'll do that.
colion noir
So now that I think about it, I just never did it outside of driving.
unidentified
It's so good.
joe rogan
It's so accurate.
It's incredible how accurate it is.
But for me, it's like...
Ideas, like if I have an idea for a joke, like those ideas are so fleeting and sometimes like I'll convince myself that I'm gonna...
Jim, who, excuse me, who was it?
Mitch Hedberg had a bit about how he kept a notepad by the bed and you know so if he had an idea in the middle of the night he would wake up.
Or if I'm lazy I'd convince myself it wasn't funny.
colion noir
I have in my shower.
I have one of those notepad things in the shower that are waterproof.
It has a pencil I got on Amazon.
I get a lot of ideas on topics to talk about in the shower.
joe rogan
Really?
colion noir
Uh-huh.
And so I'll be in the shower.
I'm like, oh yeah.
I'll pull it out, write it on the little pad, and then you can just rip it off like a Post-it.
Rip it off and then take it and do what you need to do.
joe rogan
I get a lot of my ideas in the sauna, and I can't have my phone in the sauna or it'll shut off.
colion noir
Yeah, because it gets hot.
joe rogan
It gets too hot.
But the AirPods, I put this up on Instagram the other day, but if you're a person that gets in the sauna, get yourself some AirPod 1s, the first generation AirPods.
Don't get AirPods 2, don't get 3, and don't get the Pros.
colion noir
I have the Beats.
Which ones do I have?
joe rogan
Those are good too, but they're good in terms of sound, but in terms of the ability to withstand sauna.
It's just the heat of the sauna.
The problem is it cooks the microphone.
It either cooks the microphone or the sweat kills the microphone.
I'll try answering the phone like, where the What the fuck are you calling me from?
No one can understand me at all.
So I have like a pair of AirPods that I have killed that just died recently, but I cooked those motherfuckers four or five days a week for like the past two or three years, and they just died.
One of them, the left one, I sit with my left side near the heater, and it just tapped out the other day.
colion noir
Yeah, suddenly I just started doing the sauna thing.
I haven't really.
joe rogan
It's fucking amazing.
colion noir
It threw me for a loop the first couple times.
I was like, oof.
joe rogan
You gotta come in with me, buddy.
Come in with me.
We got one right here.
colion noir
It sounds a little zesty, Joe.
joe rogan
That's not what I mean.
unidentified
I think it's zesty.
joe rogan
We're gonna be clothed.
colion noir
No, and I have noticed.
I did notice an improvement in my sleeping.
joe rogan
Oh, yeah.
It's an improvement in the way your muscles feel.
You feel looser, more relaxed, stress relief.
And if you do that and the ice bath back to back, the Russians know what the fuck they're doing.
colion noir
No, ice bath's for me.
joe rogan
Ah, you say that.
You say that.
colion noir
I can barely watch people do them, much less me do it.
joe rogan
Really?
colion noir
Yeah, dude.
I'm like, it just...
unidentified
It's not that...
colion noir
I don't do code very well.
joe rogan
Once you do it a couple of times, you get used to it.
The first time I did it...
There's a video of the first time I ever did it.
I fucking panicked.
I was out of there in like a minute and 30 seconds.
I was like, fuck this.
colion noir
Yeah, me and Cole don't mesh very well.
joe rogan
And then the second time I did it, I did it for like four and a half minutes.
And then the third time I did it, I did it for 20. Because I just wanted to convince myself.
colion noir
Gotcha.
Damn, 20 minutes in high school.
joe rogan
Jesus Christ.
Well, that's not good.
Don't do that.
Listen to me.
Listen to me.
Don't listen to me.
That's what I tell people.
Don't listen to me.
Don't listen to my advice.
colion noir
I will say, being out, like, I remember I did the shooting course, and it was, like, shooting at extended ranges, so we're shooting out to, like, 600, 700, 800 yards.
And laying, and it was just white, just all snow.
And that was just...
Amazing.
That I love.
But then again, I'm like decked out in these super tucked out.
joe rogan
Yeah, that's different.
You're feeling cold, but it's not real.
colion noir
Yeah.
joe rogan
No, the cold plunge is an existential threat to your existence.
You get in there and you're like, what the fuck am I doing?
Your body just wants to get out of there.
Yeah.
I mean, but it's so good for your body.
It's so good for your muscles and for your joints.
And it's not cost prohibitive.
All you need is ice cubes in a bathtub.
I mean, just get a couple of bags of ice from the grocery store or the gas station and throw them in a bathtub.
Fill it up with cold water.
How often do I do it?
Almost every day.
colion noir
Really?
joe rogan
Yeah.
Almost every day.
Yeah.
The only time I don't do it is right after I lift, because apparently it has some sort of an effect on hypertrophy, which limits your muscles' ability to grow, because part of the inflammation is actually good.
The blood circulation, your body breaks down, you get that pump, it breaks down the tissue, and it swells up and inflames, and it's your body saying, okay, we've got to heal, this guy's trying to get swole, you know, and then you want...
colion noir
Lifting is annoying to me.
joe rogan
Why is it annoying?
colion noir
No, I love it.
I do it at least three or four times a week.
But it's the, especially when you're lifting for hypertrophy.
It's the set, rep, all that stuff.
It's gotten to, and you know what I think it is?
I follow too many fitness pages.
And so there's just so much different information being thrown at you from different perspectives.
So I got to point out, I was like, I'm through three sets of 10, Colin didn't get it out of here.
I'm like, I'm not playing this game anymore.
joe rogan
Three sets of ten still works.
The thing that works more than anything is consistency.
Be intelligent about your lifting, don't hurt yourself, and consistency.
That's the key.
colion noir
That's pretty much what I'm trying to err on.
Another thing too is I'm trying to maximize time.
I try to make my workouts as intense and as short as possible.
I'm kind of doing this full body stuff.
I'm trying to figure out how my body likes that.
joe rogan
When you say full body stuff, what are you doing?
colion noir
So what I'll do is I'll do lower body and then everything else the next day.
And then I'll do that, have a rest day or two in between, and then that's what I'll do.
And then my lower body is consistent of like, right now, I'm doing plyo and a lot of knees over toes stuff kind of combined.
And so that's what I do for my lower body.
joe rogan
That sounds like what I'm doing.
I'm doing a lot of that too and a lot of sled work.
colion noir
Yeah, that's what I'm doing too.
joe rogan
Man, that knee over toes guy, he's changed my knees.
colion noir
Yeah, mine...
My knees are so much stronger like they feel more stable like everything about it I noticed a big difference cuz like I started noticing it when I was shooting like I just think in my videos when I'm doing gun reviews I like to just run for no reason but as I got older I just thought I was like why am I moving so just stiff like I'm just like nothing feels Tight.
joe rogan
Right.
colion noir
It just feels kind of sloppy.
Right.
And then I started doing that and now I've kind of gotten the youth back in my legs.
Where now it's like I can take off at a moment's notice.
But like I was telling you also, since I've been doing kind of like this plyo stuff, plyometrics that I've been doing, I think my body's shocked.
So now I'm dealing with some Achilles tendonitis in my Achilles.
joe rogan
You need a cold plunge.
colion noir
You know what?
It's funny.
unidentified
You actually might be right.
joe rogan
Get in there.
Come on, man.
Let me film it.
unidentified
Dude.
joe rogan
Let's do it right after here.
colion noir
Not right after here, but I might let you in the future.
Okay, let's do it.
I might let you film it in the future.
joe rogan
Okay, next time you come to town, we'll make a day out of it.
We'll work out, and then we'll get in the sauna and do the cold punch and make a video.
colion noir
Just start an OnlyFans.
joe rogan
Oh, boy.
colion noir
And that'd be the first video.
joe rogan
I think if you start an OnlyFans, automatically you're going to get zest.
If people are going to sign up for it, they're going to want a little zest.
What percentage of OnlyFans is gay guys?
colion noir
I have no idea.
joe rogan
Because I would feel like that's so available for free.
I don't think it's the same.
colion noir
I don't know why I think it's the same.
I doubt it's the same.
joe rogan
It's not the same because girls will hold back.
For a girl to show you her pussy is a lot of work.
I would imagine.
colion noir
Is it?
joe rogan
I would imagine.
I mean, it was some girls.
colion noir
I mean, there are a lot of girls on OnlyFans that are doing just that.
joe rogan
Right, but how many guys, like if you're a girl, if you're a hot girl, or if you're a hot guy, how many guys will show you a picture of their dick?
A lot.
colion noir
I won't.
joe rogan
You won't.
Well, you're smart.
You're also public.
But if you're like a regular dude trying to get laid and a girl says, show me your dick, and you're like, all right.
colion noir
So, okay, maybe I lie.
I had a girlfriend back in like, I think it was like right before I started college.
My first year in college.
She would like send me a picture of it.
And I was like, what?
She was like, especially when we weren't together.
Sounds like a good girl.
I mean, I guess.
Sounds like a lot of fun.
It didn't last very long.
joe rogan
Sometimes?
colion noir
Well, I had to get away from that one.
I got to look real toxic.
joe rogan
Sounds like very male.
Show me your dick.
colion noir
I mean, it was very, no, real talk.
unidentified
Aggressive.
colion noir
And I was like, okay.
And this would happen, like, not on a regular basis, but regular enough where I'm like, Started feeling normal, and then I'm like, yeah, I'm gonna have to stop doing this.
So there may or may not be pictures of my dick floating around on the internet.
joe rogan
I'm sure there are.
colion noir
Yeah.
joe rogan
Yeah.
It's like, listen, it's, some people don't like it, but some people like it, right?
colion noir
I think it's weird.
joe rogan
It's weird.
I think it's weird.
Like, some girls will tell you, like, why do guys send dick pics?
And then other girls will be like, send me a dick pic.
colion noir
Yeah.
joe rogan
Like, I don't know.
colion noir
Now you will, you're not getting one out of me.
joe rogan
Good.
Good for you.
colion noir
Yeah, not happening.
joe rogan
Yeah, I think it's one of those things where it's like the variation of human beings in terms of like what they like and what they don't like is so extreme.
unidentified
So all over the place.
joe rogan
All over the place.
colion noir
So all over the place.
joe rogan
It's so crazy.
unidentified
Yeah.
colion noir
Even just among my friends, like the stuff that, like the type of girls we're into and so forth and so on, it's all over the place.
joe rogan
Oh, yeah.
I have friends that just like to be in danger.
unidentified
They like.
joe rogan
They're not happy unless they're doing something that could ruin their entire life if someone just decided to.
colion noir
I'm the complete opposite.
joe rogan
Me fucking too.
colion noir
No danger, full discretion, I don't want to be out there.
I'm like, no.
joe rogan
Thank God dick pics weren't a thing when I was 15. Just think about when you first started getting laid when you were 16. Imagine if there was dick pics.
colion noir
Bro.
Like I said, there may be or may not be some floating around.
joe rogan
Well, the thing is with deepfakes, it doesn't matter anymore.
Like, deepfakes, there's like every beautiful woman that has ever been in a movie or a television show could easily be in a porn just through a deepfake now.
colion noir
I remember at the genesis of that, where it was like, So-and-so famous actress in porn scene!
And you're like, wait, what?
Not me, but...
joe rogan
You get sucked in.
colion noir
Yeah, right.
joe rogan
Well, imagine when they get to the point where they can create robots.
Like, when they can create a sex robot.
colion noir
I mean, they're pretty damn close.
joe rogan
They're pretty damn close.
colion noir
Pretty damn close.
joe rogan
But if they did decide to come up with a sex robot, they'll look exactly like Jamie.
colion noir
This would be an interesting place to live.
joe rogan
And then Jamie has to watch videos of all these dudes just plowing his fields.
colion noir
Now, there is something to be said.
There is something to be said.
joe rogan
Hey, easy.
colion noir
I wonder if there's something to be said about them kind of, you know, reaching that level of technology and a lot of guys transcending from OnlyFans over to those things.
joe rogan
Oh, it's going to happen.
That's going to happen for sure.
But then there's going to be, like, how many robots can you afford?
You're going to have a house filled with fuck robots?
colion noir
I mean, they'll become vacuums at that point.
I mean, there was one story about a guy.
He had, like...
Well, was it a story?
I think it was something I saw on Instagram where a guy was talking about, like, he went to a guy's house because he was doing, like, some cable work or something, and he walks in and he's like, all these sex dolls.
joe rogan
And a slight smell of fish.
The fuck is that smell?
It's just rotten jizz everywhere.
I think there's going to come a time where it might actually never even get to that because virtual reality might get to a point where they have, you know, they have these haptic feedbacks.
It's like you were talking about with the guns getting zapped.
But I think they're going to get to a neural interface where they're going to be able to recreate the sensations.
Like if they can figure out- Talking about pacifying a society.
Right?
Well, that's The Matrix.
I mean, what's crazy about The Matrix is when the movie first came out, which is like, when was it?
It was in the 90s, correct?
99. So when the movie first came out, we're like, we were fascinated by it, like, whoa, cool.
But it was pure science fiction.
colion noir
Yeah.
Not even close, right?
joe rogan
Now, you watch The Matrix 1 now, you're like, how far off are we?
Not that far.
Within our lifetime, I expect there to be a dilemma where people do not want to go outside, they only want to lock into a thing and experience a fake life.
I like the real.
Yeah, for now.
colion noir
I like the real.
No, I mean, that's just how I'm built.
joe rogan
Right, but do you think that, like, I mean, I also like talking to people on the phone, right?
colion noir
I don't.
joe rogan
I don't want to have to go somewhere to talk to someone.
If I have a friend who lives in California, I like to be able to call him up.
Hey, what's going on?
colion noir
So, I'm weird.
So, when it comes to my friends, I'll throw on AirPods, talk to them on the phone all day long, right?
When it comes to women, I prefer to be in person.
Interesting.
joe rogan
Why is that?
colion noir
I don't know.
I've yet to really, truly understand it, but if I'm going to engage with a woman, I'd rather prefer it to be in person, face-to-face.
joe rogan
Well, that makes sense because there's no misconstruing what you're saying.
Text is the weirdest.
You could text someone something and they don't know if you're joking.
colion noir
Yeah.
And I don't really care too much for excessive texting back and forth.
Largely because, one, I'm just so busy, so it's hard for me to stay in the moment of the conversation.
And then what will happen too sometimes is if, and this is just general purpose, not even just women, but I will forget to go back and respond.
Because if you send me something that requires an extensive explanation, I don't want to just give you a half-assed answer right then and there.
So I'll wait.
And then sometimes I'll just forget to go back.
joe rogan
Yeah, dude, I have to change my phone number.
I have so many texts that I can't respond to.
I'm going to check my phone right now.
I'll tell you how many texts that I have.
What does it say here?
I have 96 texts.
Look at that.
Not bullshitting.
96. What do you got?
colion noir
430. Jesus.
433?
joe rogan
Well, you're just delinquent.
colion noir
Look at the emails.
unidentified
How's that?
joe rogan
That's insane.
Oh my God.
How do you have so many people texting you?
colion noir
Dude.
joe rogan
You have no idea who's texted you.
Do you just give that up to random people?
No.
colion noir
The funny thing is, so what happened is, this was supposed to be the business phone.
And so this is my personal.
So what happened is, I didn't realize, I don't remember this number.
So when people would ask me who I would normally give the business phone to...
I would just err on the side of, my default would just go, okay, here, take this number.
joe rogan
That's funny.
colion noir
Yeah, so now they're basically contaminated.
joe rogan
I have a general rule that when I remember my phone number, that's when I change it.
colion noir
Okay.
joe rogan
Because I never know my number.
I've gone places, they go, what's your phone number?
I don't know.
I don't want to know.
I can remember my wife's number.
I can remember my daughter's numbers.
I can remember a couple of my friends' numbers, and that's it.
colion noir
The only numbers I know is my mom and my aunt.
Memorized.
That's the only numbers I know.
joe rogan
I used to be a wizard with phone numbers.
colion noir
Yeah.
Well, because you had to be.
unidentified
Yes, man.
joe rogan
I was so good at it.
I could remember booking agents and comedy clubs and friends and...
I remember my fucking number from high school, you know?
My home number, but now it's like...
colion noir
Yeah, it's a wrap.
I can't remember it at all.
joe rogan
But isn't it just like what you need to remember?
You don't need to remember it anymore, so you just don't.
colion noir
Don't.
It's kind of like getting around now.
Right.
joe rogan
Navigation.
colion noir
I legit do not know how I was able to get around without navigation.
I still navigate to my house in the city that I live in.
joe rogan
Isn't that wild?
But it's also good if you're using something like Waze, because it tells you if shit goes sideways.
Like, I see people hitting blinkers.
I'm like, oh, these people are on Waze, too.
They're going off on these weird side streets.
I remember in New Jersey.
unidentified
And cops.
joe rogan
And cops?
colion noir
Oh, yeah.
joe rogan
Oh, where the cops are.
Yeah, that's true, too.
colion noir
Waze has gotten me out of situations that my radar detector wouldn't have gotten Isn't that an interesting police officer I had?
joe rogan
Like, whoa, Waze.
colion noir
Anytime I'm doing, like when I'm driving to Austin, I have my Waze.
joe rogan
One of my favorite things that people do is when you're driving and they flash the lights at you.
Cop's your head, bro.
colion noir
Oh, yeah.
joe rogan
We're in this together.
We're in this together.
I like that.
I like that.
colion noir
Thanks, bro.
joe rogan
Yeah, I love doing it to people and they give you the thumbs up.
Like, yeah, we're in this together.
colion noir
I sometimes am a bit of a dick.
joe rogan
You don't do it?
colion noir
Well, no.
So, like, sometimes when, like, somebody's, like, riding me a little too close and we're both speeding and it gets slightly annoying, so then I'll just move over and slow.
And I know there's a cop ahead.
joe rogan
I'll slow.
Oh, you bait them.
colion noir
Every once in a while.
But generally speaking, if you're not being an ass, I'm like, I'm going to let you know.
I'll tap on the brakes for you.
joe rogan
How long do you think we are from completely automated automobile travel?
colion noir
I don't want it to get there.
I don't want it to get there.
joe rogan
I'm not sure if I want it to get there either.
colion noir
But I mean, like I was just telling you, I am, like, remember, last time I was on here, I was talking about how much I would never get a Tesla.
And then now, it'll come in today, and I'm like, yo, you know what?
joe rogan
Do you want to drive mine?
Do you want to drive mine for a little bit today?
colion noir
The Plaid, yes.
joe rogan
Yeah, drive it around.
Drive it around.
You might change your mind.
I do miss the sound of the engine, you know?
I love engines, obviously.
I'm a gearhead.
I love a V8. I love the rumble of an American muscle car.
I love that sound.
But goddamn, that Tesla is a preposterous vehicle.
colion noir
I'm not going to lie.
So right now where I am, if I get a Tesla for an Uber, I'm happy.
There's something about them.
joe rogan
I don't know why.
colion noir
It's just the quiet.
It's just a clean space.
It's just different.
joe rogan
Very minimalist.
I think too much so.
I've said this about the new one with the wacky steering wheel.
The steering wheel sucks.
I don't like it.
It's okay when you're driving straight because the ergonomics of the Tesla are fantastic.
You're holding on to it.
Your elbows are rested.
It's very good.
It actually makes you have two hands on the wheel more often because I would drive with my one hand, which is not the best.
The best way is two hands like this.
colion noir
Now, as I've gotten older, I've noticed my hand's starting to slide more to the side.
Because I always wondered, like, my uncle's RT driving and stuff.
joe rogan
Ten and two, Coleon.
Ten and two.
colion noir
So I'm becoming a little bit more responsible as I age.
joe rogan
Yeah.
colion noir
Even though I'm still 12 in my mind.
joe rogan
But it's not good for turning, like when you have to turn in parking spots and stuff.
colion noir
Oh, because you kind of have to find the wheel?
joe rogan
Yeah, it's weird.
colion noir
It's kind of like the paddles sometimes, where like, do you prefer the paddles mounted to the steering column, or you want them like where they're static, or do you want them mounted to the steering wheel so that when they turn, they turn?
joe rogan
I've had cars that have paddles.
I have never used the paddles.
colion noir
Really?
joe rogan
I keep it in automatic.
colion noir
Let me tell you, there are some cars you really want to use the paddles.
joe rogan
You say that, but I like shifting.
I like a clutch.
colion noir
Oh, I'm talking about when you don't have a standard transmission.
joe rogan
If I don't have a clutch, I fucking keep that bitch and drive.
I'm like, I'm not pretending.
I'm a speed racer out here.
That's stupid paddle.
colion noir
That's me.
joe rogan
That's nonsense.
colion noir
Yeah, I'm the speed racer.
joe rogan
Well, you have a very fast car, too.
colion noir
We should talk about that.
Now, here's the crazy thing about that.
joe rogan
Okay.
colion noir
So, the other, I want to say about a few weeks ago, my friend, because I'm slowly starting getting into this, like, going to track days and stuff.
A friend of mine was like, he's like, yeah, I just bought a Miata.
joe rogan
Mianas are dope.
colion noir
Now I realize it.
But when he told me, I was like, that's zesty.
joe rogan
It's more feminine than zesty.
colion noir
Zesty is kind of a universal kind of term.
It can go a lot of ways.
And so he's like, I'm going to bring it over.
And I'm like, okay.
So he brings it over.
It's like this convertible, zesty-ass Miata.
And it's a standard.
And he's like, drive it.
I'm like, I don't want to drive your zesty-ass Miata.
And he's like, drive it.
So I get in there, get sitting.
unidentified
I'm like, God, this is super zesty.
colion noir
And then I start driving it.
And I'm running through the gears.
I'm like...
joe rogan
It's a go-kart.
colion noir
It's so fun.
joe rogan
So fun.
unidentified
So fun.
joe rogan
There's a reason why Miatas are around for as long as they have and they've barely changed.
colion noir
I'm like, I literally started contemplating, all right, should I get a Miatta?
And I want to get it in a standard transmission.
joe rogan
Gordon Ryan has a Miata.
Gordon Ryan is the greatest jiu-jitsu athlete of all time.
He's as manly a man as is humanly possible.
He's got a Miata.
And he's got a standard Miata.
It's a great fucking car, man.
colion noir
Look, consider me converted, because I'm telling you.
joe rogan
You ever heard of the company Flying Miatas?
colion noir
No.
joe rogan
They take a Miata and they put a fucking V8 in it.
colion noir
But see, I don't want a powerful Miata.
joe rogan
Really?
colion noir
I know!
No, no, no, no.
That sounds us, dude.
joe rogan
Now I'm reconsidering.
colion noir
Because I want to be able to run it to its absolute limit.
And so without having to worry about having too much power or having to navigate the power, I can just run it ragged and just focus on the driving experience.
joe rogan
I used to have an Acura NSX that I loved that for.
colion noir
I wanted an NSX so bad.
They were great.
joe rogan
And it's only like 290 horsepower.
It's not a lot of horsepower.
colion noir
I've only heard excellent things about them.
joe rogan
It never fucked up.
It's a Honda.
It's crazy because it's a Honda sports car.
What is that?
Oh, is that a flying Miata?
Watch this.
That car is so fast.
colion noir
This is the flying Miata Habu.
unidentified
Look at this.
Habu being a small venomous snake from Japan.
Why is that appropriate?
Well, because this is an MX-5 with a Chevy small block V8 in it.
What?
6.3 liters of V8. 525 brake horsepower.
What?
It's an old recipe, but it's a very good one.
colion noir
In a Miata?
joe rogan
In a Miata.
Just listen to how it sounds.
unidentified
Well, it's not to love.
joe rogan
I think I might have to get one.
The world's smallest muscle car.
unidentified
Keep that rolling, Jamie.
joe rogan
What are you doing?
Oh, the music.
Look at that.
LS3. Woo!
colion noir
Okay, that's kind of badass, I'm not gonna lie.
That is pretty lit.
joe rogan
That's only 1% difference.
unidentified
Only 1% difference in the weight distribution.
colion noir
But how much weight is it adding?
joe rogan
Well, if it's only adding 1% in the front, it can't be much.
colion noir
Well, as far as distribution of weight, but...
joe rogan
It's not.
What's amazing is those LS engines are not heavy, man.
unidentified
Because I know when they dropped that...
That makes my dick hard.
Look at that.
joe rogan
And it's kind of cool looking.
colion noir
I actually agree with you.
joe rogan
That's a cool looking car, man.
I mean, I wonder how the tires deal with the amount of torque.
Look at those skinny ass, bitch ass tires.
colion noir
The tires are so cheap to get though, it really wouldn't matter.
Just run through them.
joe rogan
Right, but I'm saying in terms of handling that amount of torque and power, I bet it drifts like a motherfucker.
You stomp on it.
Look at that thing though.
Let me hear some of this.
unidentified
The grizzly engine always makes its presence felt, whatever the situation.
You're also always aware that you're in a relatively short wheelbase, so slides can start and stop very quickly.
But the Fox racing suspension, and then probably more associated with motorbikes and mountain bikes, is impressive on both road and track.
joe rogan
That thing looks wild.
colion noir
You know, nothing relaxes me more than watching car review videos.
joe rogan
I love car review videos.
If you look in my YouTube feed, a lot of it is car reviews.
I love watching them, man.
colion noir
Who's your favorite reviewer?
joe rogan
Matt Farah.
colion noir
Really?
joe rogan
Smoking Tire.
That's my boy.
colion noir
I used to watch a lot of Matt Farrow.
I don't know why I stopped.
There's no reason for it.
joe rogan
I know Matt personally.
He's a friend.
colion noir
He has a car I really want.
joe rogan
Which one?
colion noir
He has an Aston Martin Vanquish that he converted to manual.
That he sent over and converted to manual that I think is fucking hot shit.
joe rogan
You know what I want?
They just converted.
There's a company.
See if you can find this.
A company that just took a modern 2021 plus GT500, which has only been paddle shift, and they converted it to manual.
colion noir
And I'm thinking.
joe rogan
I'm thinking.
I'm an old school meathead, man.
colion noir
I love those muscle cars.
I get a lot of shit from my channel whenever I do my car reviews.
Because, you know, I do car reviews from time to time.
So I like sleek, sexy, European.
I do, too.
But I still want a Chappelle.
I want an old school car.
joe rogan
I have a 1970 like John Wick.
colion noir
I'm a little torn about the one in Batman.
joe rogan
Oh, yeah.
colion noir
Now, the opening scene was probably one of the greatest scenes ever for the introduction of the Batmobile.
joe rogan
I enjoyed the new Batman movie.
colion noir
I fell asleep.
joe rogan
How dare you?
Who am I talking to?
unidentified
It's too long.
joe rogan
Too long?
Really?
colion noir
And it was too...
Did you watch it at home?
No, I watched it in the movie theater.
joe rogan
Really?
He fell asleep in a movie.
That's a well-armed man.
So comfortable, he falls asleep in a movie theater.
colion noir
Well, I'm a Christian Bale Batman kind of guy.
To me, when you say Batman, Bruce Wayne, it's Christian Bale.
joe rogan
I think so, too.
I think he was the most believable in terms of a bad motherfucker who was Batman.
He was jacked.
He looked like he could fuck people up.
He's a big dude.
colion noir
And there was a lot of contrast between him as Bruce Wayne and Batman.
unidentified
Look at the voice.
colion noir
The voice bothered me.
unidentified
I'm Batman.
joe rogan
It's like, man, you're going to lose your voice talking like that, and then everyone's going to know.
You're going to show up at work the next day talking all fucked up.
Hey, man, what have you been up to?
unidentified
I was out partying.
joe rogan
Partying?
You got a black eye.
unidentified
What happened?
colion noir
Well, I mean, he owned Wayne Enterprise, so he didn't really have to go into work.
joe rogan
Batman is kind of the lamest superhero ever, because he's basically just a rich guy.
colion noir
No, don't say shit like that, Joe.
joe rogan
What?
colion noir
Who's the best?
Batman!
joe rogan
Batman's the best?
colion noir
Yes!
joe rogan
Really?
colion noir
Yes.
Really?
Yes.
Which is odd, because he doesn't use guns.
And that should be the reason why I don't like him.
joe rogan
Yeah, he doesn't ever use a gun.
colion noir
No, he doesn't.
joe rogan
That's kind of crazy.
I never even thought about that until right now.
colion noir
He doesn't kill people either.
joe rogan
He never kills anybody?
But doesn't he in the comic books?
colion noir
There's one where he does, and it's actually pretty badass.
I can't remember the name of it, though.
And he has a gun.
I think he's shooting his ass at Eagle in that one, too.
joe rogan
Well, I used to like the Punisher for that reason.
colion noir
Punisher fucked everybody up.
joe rogan
The real Punisher was built like Batman.
The real Punisher was like Batman without the suit.
colion noir
Yeah, which is true.
joe rogan
And he had a great origin story.
Just a soldier.
Just decided to fucking go on a rampage and kill all the organized criminals.
Because all the other superheroes were trying to arrest people.
Fuck that.
Killing everybody.
colion noir
Did you see Top Gun?
joe rogan
I did not.
I heard it's great, though.
colion noir
It's phenomenal.
joe rogan
So, Batman is your favorite superhero?
colion noir
Yes.
There's a running joke that I, like, in the community, let people know.
If you follow me close enough and long enough, you know, I think I'm the black Bruce Wayne.
That's the exact reaction that I want.
Like, that's how goofy it is.
That's how much I love Batman.
joe rogan
But what about Spider-Man?
He's going to climb walls and shoot webs and shit and perform superhuman feats of athleticism and strength.
colion noir
Spider-Man is zesty.
joe rogan
Jesus.
Okay, what about the Hulk?
colion noir
I do like the Hulk.
joe rogan
What about the Hulk?
colion noir
I like the Hulk, but he's not my...
I like it when he comes in, destroys shit, and then leaves.
Just the chaos.
But other than that, he's forgettable to me.
joe rogan
Well, the Hulk makes all the other Avengers useless.
Because when they're on their own, when they're on their own, why don't you just call the Hulk?
Just call the Hulk!
What are you doing?
What are you doing with your bow and arrow?
That fucking guy with the bow and arrow is the dumbest.
And I love Jeremy Renner.
I think Jeremy Renner's awesome.
But that character's the wackest shit.
Like, if I was him, I'd be like, man, I really want to be an Avenger, but fuck.
Why are you gonna make me the guy with no strength at all, no powers whatsoever?
I just have a bow and arrow, which is the dumbest weapon.
colion noir
At least Black Widow has guns.
joe rogan
Yeah, and this is coming from a guy who's an archery enthusiast.
I have a fucking archery range at my studio, and I think that guy's wack.
It's so dumb.
colion noir
I mean, I think Batman is the best and he doesn't use guns, so I guess that kind of...
joe rogan
But I mean, how many arrows do you have, bro?
How many times can you do this?
You can only do this so many times.
colion noir
He'd be flicking the arrows, though.
He does mean...
joe rogan
Do you know that this whole idea of the quiver on the back is not really how they really traveled with arrows?
colion noir
Really?
Where'd they travel?
joe rogan
Well, they didn't pull arrows off their back.
They used to carry them in between their fingers for the most part.
And they used to be able to shoot multiple arrows, especially the Comanche.
They would carry these arrows.
Who's that gentleman that has that YouTube page that he figured out from looking at old images and depictions of archery from thousands of years ago, realized that our idea of them having a quiver and pulling an arrow out and See, he keeps them all in his fingers like that, and this guy figured out how to shoot multiple arrows in a second.
colion noir
But what do they do?
How do they carry them when they're traveling?
joe rogan
Lars Anderson.
That's a good question.
I don't know where.
Maybe they had a quiver for that.
But the idea that they reached back and pulled an arrow every time they wanted to shoot like that Hawkeye guy does.
colion noir
So basically an assault arrow.
joe rogan
Yeah, this guy, the way he did it, this is how they think the Comanches did it and the Mongols did it.
They carried multiple arrows in their fingers and just transformed it, or transferred it, rather, to the string with each finger.
See if you get a video of how he does it, how he shoots multiple arrows, because it's pretty wild.
colion noir
Anytime I see arrows, bone arrows, I think Hunger Games.
joe rogan
Yeah, that got a lot of people into archery, too.
What is he doing here?
So watch how he's recreating how the Comanche did it.
See how the Comanche would carry multiple arrows in their hands.
There's images of them holding multiple arrows.
But if you can see how he did it...
Only one movement to shoot each other.
This is, he's saying this is bullshit.
So see how he's doing it?
colion noir
Oh shit.
joe rogan
Yeah, look how quickly he's shooting all these multiple arrows.
colion noir
That's impressive.
joe rogan
Yeah, he's showing like how this would take so much time to do.
Only one movement to shoot each arrow.
And he's saying this is like kind of ridiculous.
Which makes sense.
So he can throw these things up in the air and he can shoot multiple arrows.
See, get to the point where he's doing that.
colion noir
He's doing it on left right there.
joe rogan
He's exaggerating.
I skipped to the end of the video.
jamie vernon
I skipped way to the end already.
joe rogan
Oh, okay.
jamie vernon
He's showing how he would do it.
joe rogan
There's a few other...
Oh, so he can do this.
Watch this.
Watch this.
This is crazy.
So he can shoot like three arrows in a second.
Three hours in one and a half seconds.
Which is pretty crazy.
So this is why the Comanches fucked up all the early settlers.
Because the settlers had muskets.
unidentified
Muskets.
colion noir
Yeah.
joe rogan
Did you see the images that we have outside?
One of the images is Jack Hayes.
And Jack Hayes was the original Texas Ranger.
And what he did was incorporate pistols, like a revolver.
He was the first guy to incorporate a Colt revolver, which had individual cylinders that you would replace.
They didn't have like a regular revolver where you'd put the bullets in.
But they would carry multiple cartridges.
colion noir
So it's kind of like...
Like some of the reloading mechanisms for wheel guns now, they're not actual revolvers, but they're like these little push it in.
joe rogan
Yeah, they used to do that for revolvers before they figured out semi-automatic pistols.
But so the Colt had this and nobody wanted them.
Which is wild!
And then he figured out how to use them against the Comanche, because they had to do a bunch of different things to deal with the Comanche.
And that's the gun.
And see if there's a video on that.
That's Captain Jack Hayes.
That guy right there, that's the image that we have outside, along with Quanah Parker, who was the guy who his mother was captured by the Comanche, and he was the chief of the Comanche.
He was half Comanche and half white.
And he became the last Comanche chief.
And it was interesting because he was half European, so he's a big fucking dude.
As opposed to most of the Comanches were like 5'5", 5'7".
They were tiny, which allowed them to ride horses better.
Which is interesting too, right?
So this is how the gun worked.
So this original revolver He was the first to implement this in war.
Where's the trigger?
colion noir
That's what I was just thinking.
joe rogan
Did it have no trigger?
Did you have to trigger it with the back?
How's he using this?
So did he have to push the hammer forward?
How did he do it?
I thought it had a trigger.
That is wild.
Does this guy shoot this thing in this video?
So he pushes it.
colion noir
Oh, the trigger pops up.
joe rogan
Oh, interesting.
Interesting.
And then the hammer busts forward and it ignites the round.
unidentified
Huh.
joe rogan
And so he would have to, like, break it down, pull that cartridge out, put a new one in, but it would take five rounds, and look at how these balls.
unidentified
Wow.
Wow, that is wild.
colion noir
I think, man, those balls are nasty things, man.
unidentified
I know.
joe rogan
You know, it was brutal back then, man.
Just the fucking way that they existed...
On the fucking plains.
And they also implemented what they call cold camping, where they would camp without any fire, because the Comanche would find them.
Because these dumbasses would light fires.
I'm going to cook my beans by the fire.
unidentified
Oh, wow, look at that.
joe rogan
It's pretty fucking good in comparison to a musket because having those five shots made all the difference in the world.
Because the Comanche would run up on them and the Comanche also figured out how to ride sideways.
So they would hang off the side of their horse and shoot underneath the neck of the horse.
Which is wild, right?
So they would be able to be protected by their fucking horse.
And they were also the first of the Plains Indians that figured out how to breed and how to maintain large populations of horses.
So they had the most horses.
colion noir
Yeah, I don't trust horses.
joe rogan
How so?
colion noir
I just don't like all the times I've ever ridden them.
Because when you're riding a horse, you understand what you're dealing with as far as an animal.
joe rogan
Yeah.
colion noir
And it's just, at any given moment, he doesn't want me on here, I'm not on here.
joe rogan
Well, that's true, too, but back then you had no choice.
colion noir
Yeah, no.
I mean, that doesn't stop me from riding a horse.
It's just that's always kind of in the back of my mind.
unidentified
Can you imagine?
joe rogan
I mean, here we are in 2022. Imagine that 150 years ago there were no options.
unidentified
You had to ride a horse.
joe rogan
That's it.
That's so recent, man.
That's so recent.
colion noir
That's nutty, man.
I mean, think about it now.
Your Tesla does zero to 60, what, 1.9 seconds?
joe rogan
Yeah.
And it's so crazy.
colion noir
Like, that's nuts!
joe rogan
Yeah.
colion noir
And then it can drive itself.
joe rogan
Yeah.
colion noir
Like, that's where we're going and how fast we're going, which is all just, you know, from a gun perspective, it's weird sometimes because, you know, people look at the Second Amendment like, it's talking about muskets!
joe rogan
Yeah.
colion noir
It's not talking about muskets!
joe rogan
Oh, people need to shut the fuck up.
Everybody says that.
colion noir
It's so, okay, so you want to relegate me to a musket while the government and all the criminals are using modern firearms, I'm supposed to only have a musket.
joe rogan
Yeah.
And then there's the argument, like, you would never take up arms against the government.
Why would you ever need to take up arms against the government?
We say that because everyone's armed.
colion noir
Exactly.
joe rogan
If only the government was armed, you would wish you had a fucking gun.
colion noir
I'm telling you, like, at the end of the day, and I was talking to my friend about this, and I was like, if you think about it, so Tiananmen Square.
joe rogan
Yeah.
colion noir
Right?
They pretty much bulldozed right over those people.
And then you go counter that with the American narrative, say, for instance, what happened in the 1960s with the Black Panthers showing up on the Capitol.
You had a group of black men in the 60s showing up to the Capitol, and all they could do was have a standoff.
unidentified
Mmm.
joe rogan
Different world.
colion noir
You see, you get what I'm saying?
unidentified
Yeah.
colion noir
Yeah, of course, they subsequently passed some laws, and you can debate whether or not that was racially motivated.
But at the end of the day, that demonstrates to you the necessity of the Second Amendment.
It's not always about, let me go out here and overthrow the government.
It's about keeping it in check.
That's what it's designed to do.
Because even now...
The government has to kind of tiptoe with the citizens in the United States because they understand these people are armed.
We can only go so far with the way we try to be heavy-handed about certain things.
joe rogan
Which goes back to Australia during the pandemic.
colion noir
Exactly.
joe rogan
Where Australia is unarmed.
And they were like, you can't go outside.
You can't work.
You can't go to the grocery store.
You must comply.
And they forced everyone into compliance.
Yep.
colion noir
There was no threat of any real resistance.
joe rogan
Exactly.
And people will say, you know, well, that's crazy.
You shouldn't do that anyway.
But the bottom line is, like, you can't rely on human beings to have that much control over human beings.
This idea of the government is so...
It's...
It's this abstract concept because the government is essentially comprised only of human beings.
That's it.
And when human beings have that kind of control over other human beings, we just have a fucking natural inclination to tell people what to do.
colion noir
Absolute power corrupts absolutely.
It's just the nature of being, which is why things were set up the way that they were set up to be checks against.
So we have three branches of the government.
They were supposed to all be a check on each other because they understood human nature.
joe rogan
It's just hard for people to recognize that when we live in times of general peace.
colion noir
That's really what it is, what it boils down to.
It's the idea, like, for a lot of people, conceptualizing the idea that they would have to deal with the tyrannical, especially here in America, to deal with the tyrannical government in their minds.
joe rogan
And then people see that, like, don't tread on me flag, and they start fucking panicking.
Oh, you want to fucking take over the government?
unidentified
Oh, it's bad!
joe rogan
Oh, it's bad!
colion noir
It's talking to the government, the same way the Constitution was talking to the government.
A lot of people misconstrue that.
The Second Amendment wasn't telling us what we can do.
It was telling the government what it can't do, which is infringed on our right to keep and bear arms.
joe rogan
Yeah, you know, there was a video that Samuel Rivera put out about a rant that I made.
A lot of people got their panties in a wad about it because I was talking about freedom.
And I said essentially that every single civilization up until 1776 was a dictatorship.
And they were like, what about Greece?
They all fell apart, man.
They all fucking fell apart.
Like, these ideas are great until...
Greece is actually a great example because, you know, there's a guy named Brian Mirorescu who wrote a book called The Immortality Key that's all about the ancient Greek societies and the Enlightenment and that this is most likely due to the fact that these people were all taking psychedelic drugs until it was shut down by the Roman emperors.
Like, they came in and shut everybody down.
And the reason why they shut everybody down, because you can't control people who are tripping balls and inventing democracy.
colion noir
Isn't that kind of what happened here in America?
joe rogan
Yeah, it's very similar.
It's very similar in many ways.
colion noir
And you know me about, I'm like super like, I ain't trying any psychedelics, but I also understand.
joe rogan
Why do you say that?
colion noir
It's just a control freak at me.
joe rogan
But you gotta let that go, dude.
colion noir
I mean, I do.
joe rogan
Control is strength.
You have control because you have discipline.
And that discipline is a strength.
But there's a lot of strength in understanding that there's paths to different ways of looking at things that you just need to let go and find those ideas and concepts.
colion noir
I don't disagree with you.
I don't.
You're just gonna have to do better.
joe rogan
Well, why don't you try the isolation tank first?
I exposed you to that today.
colion noir
Yeah, as soon as you told me about that shit, I was like, yep, I'm not going in that much.
joe rogan
But it's so easy.
You can open the door.
You open the door when you don't like it anymore.
colion noir
It'd be worthless.
I'd literally open it in three seconds.
No.
joe rogan
You'd relax.
You'd settle in.
You'd be fine.
You'd settle in.
I'd put a gun on Velcro, right?
Attach it to the wall.
So if some shit went down...
So you'd be lying down in the water.
You'd go, there's my gun.
There's my gun.
If things got sketchy, you started having hallucinations, reach out and feel that staccato right there on the wall.
unidentified
Okay, we're good.
Okay, we're good.
colion noir
I mean, that might help a little bit.
joe rogan
Yeah.
Control is good, but it's also, you've got to realize there's some control in not being in control.
Like, being able to let go of that control.
colion noir
I think what it is, too, it's so like, you know, I'm an only child.
And so I've spent a lot of time with myself.
And so one thing about, like, I'm not really big on trying to control people.
Like, I'm very big on, like, do you, right?
My control is always kind of of myself.
It's a matter of, since I've spent so much time with myself and what goes on up here, I don't like the idea of anything interfering, what could possibly interfere with that.
I understand what you're saying.
Now, I will say, I'm not saying that there aren't things that could make that better, right?
That could help enlighten and elevate.
I just don't know right now if I'm at a point where I think the benefit is worth a potential risk.
joe rogan
I know what you're saying.
Yeah.
Well, there's a risk.
And that's something that needs to be stressed with anything when you deal with the human mind.
colion noir
Yeah.
joe rogan
You know, some people have a tendency towards schizophrenia and psychotic breaks.
There's all sorts of weird things.
colion noir
It's a delicate balance.
unidentified
Yeah.
joe rogan
Look what happened to Keith Moon.
You know, there's a lot of people that have taken acid and lost their fucking mind.
That's real.
I know guys who have taken pot edibles and lost their fucking minds.
colion noir
Yeah.
joe rogan
I know them personally where they used to be this way and now they're that way.
colion noir
Gotcha.
unidentified
Yeah.
colion noir
And for me, it's like I hear I'm aware of all the potential positives.
I'm just like, for some reason, it hasn't reached the point where I felt like it's kind of worth exploring and taking that risk.
joe rogan
Well, here's what's worth exploring is micro dosing.
colion noir
I've heard about micro dosing.
joe rogan
I think micro dosing is the future for a lot of people because the amounts that we're talking about are essentially like it's a very mild feeling.
It's not even like being remotely high.
It's very mild, mild elevation and reduction of stress and relaxation.
That's all it is.
And it makes you, like, just nicer.
It makes things feel better.
It makes the world feel like a better place.
colion noir
Isn't that kind of the equivalent of, like, secondhand high?
joe rogan
No.
No, no, no.
Secondhand high can get you paranoid.
I remember I got high once in a room with my dog, and she was hiding under the couch.
I was like, what the fuck's going on with the dog?
And then I realized, oh, the dog, not under the couch, she was hiding under one of the corner tables.
And I was like, what's going on?
And I realized, oh my god, she was in the room with us when Joey Diaz and I were doing bong hits.
And then this poor dog, who was a rescue dog already, she was already a little sketched out.
She got paranoid, poor little girl.
colion noir
Yeah, me, that's the thing, me and we don't get, I fight the high.
I mean, I haven't smoked weed since college.
And it's just because I know me.
I'm going to fight it.
joe rogan
It's an ego thing.
Yeah, I mean, and I don't mean an ego in a bad way.
I mean, it's like your body's trying to protect you.
Yeah, your mind, rather, is trying to protect you.
But that's also because you're a disciplined guy who gets things done, and you don't want that to fuck with you.
And I understand that.
That's how I was before I started smoking pot.
colion noir
And I think also it does...
So I think there's some people who are very high-functioning who smoke.
And then I think there are some people...
Even back then when I was kind of getting a little high, I noticed that the contrast was too much for me.
So I started becoming a little more lazy, so to speak.
And I'm not saying weed makes you lazy.
I'm just saying, for me, I knew that it didn't make me as productive as I normally am.
Right.
Whereas I know other people who, it's a perfect balance for them.
High functioning people who can do that.
joe rogan
I'm too crazy.
I need something to just take some of the chimpanzee edge out of my brain.
That's what it does for me.
It just gets me to a better place.
And I don't do it all the time, but I do it enough and I'm comfortable enough with it that I know that there's some benefits to it.
But when everybody says that pot makes you lazy, I'm like, bitch, keep up with me.
Let's go.
Come talk crazy.
Because you can't say that because everybody has a different reaction to it.
And I'm not saying that everybody would have that same feeling that I get from it because I don't think that's true.
And I don't think it's for everybody.
colion noir
The irony though is, like I said before, you're also talking to a guy who drinks.
Right, right.
And I know why I drink.
joe rogan
But it's so controlled.
Like, we had one glass of whiskey during this podcast.
That's it.
One glass.
colion noir
Because I know how it...
Also, part of it, too, is, like, even writing.
I can only do half of a glass.
Because the moment I go full glass, my writing starts to shit.
But, at the same time, I largely drink to relax.
Right?
That's why I say I stop at a certain point because past that point, I'm no longer relaxing.
I'm just fucking drunk.
joe rogan
Partying.
colion noir
Yeah.
joe rogan
You're getting hammered.
colion noir
Yeah.
And so that's something that I really kind of enjoy.
Now, have I done it?
Of course.
unidentified
Yeah.
colion noir
And I've had a great time a few times doing it.
joe rogan
It's a different thing, though.
colion noir
Yeah.
It is.
joe rogan
Yeah.
colion noir
And so for me, I need...
It's because I'm so like...
I don't say like...
Not on edge, but just 100% go.
I'm always like, alright, I gotta do this, this.
When it comes time, it's hard sometimes to get a point where I'm just like, alright, just relax.
joe rogan
Alcohol is so regulated.
Like a glass of whiskey is consistently a glass of whiskey.
It might have a different taste to it, but the impact it has on your psyche.
colion noir
It's pretty much the same.
joe rogan
Yeah, and weed is so variable.
And edibles, oh my god.
Dude, I've heard horror stories about edibles.
I'll tell you my own.
Yeah.
I mean, I've had wild fucking paranoia when I've gotten too high before.
But I think there's a benefit even in that, and then I come off of it with an understanding of things that are bothering me.
colion noir
Gotcha.
joe rogan
These things that I got paranoid about, it's probably like some unresolved issues or some thoughts that I have in my head that I need to really work out.
colion noir
Yeah, fair enough.
joe rogan
But it's not for everybody, man.
colion noir
No, it's not.
joe rogan
It's definitely not for people with a tendency towards schizophrenia.
That's a fact.
You know, I had a debate once with this guy, Mike Hart, who's a cannabis doctor from Canada, and Alex Berenson, who is a guy who used to write for the New York Times, who wrote a book called Tell Your Children that's all about the dangers of marijuana.
And, you know, and I was on his side.
I was like, not on the cannabis doctor's side in some ways.
Because I don't like people when people talk about it like, it's only beneficial, it's only good.
I don't think there's anything.
You know, some people die when you give them peanuts, right?
Everything is different.
colion noir
Same thing with alcohol.
Some people should not drink.
It's the complete opposite.
joe rogan
Yeah, I had a friend who quit drinking, but he would get to a point, but when he was drinking, he would drink and he would get gerbilized.
Like, he was gone.
Like, it was like talking to a gerbil.
Like, where are you?
Like, you're not there.
Like, shark eyes.
Like, you know what I mean?
Like, you're gone.
Like, now you're just like an automaton.
Just running around.
Like, you don't even know what you're doing.
And he would black out.
colion noir
You know, cigars would relax me, too.
Yeah.
Which is weird how that works, because I'm like, I hate cigarettes.
joe rogan
Right.
colion noir
But cigars...
joe rogan
Cigars give you a nice, like, ah, relax.
colion noir
I do it probably.
I smoke a cigar.
I think the last time I smoked a cigar was with you.
joe rogan
Well, they're good for conversations.
colion noir
Yeah.
joe rogan
I think they're great for conversations.
They give you this, like, when you smoke a cigar, it's just like a...
It's also like a manly thing to do.
unidentified
You have a cigar, a glass of whiskey, you talk some shit, you know?
colion noir
Relax.
joe rogan
It's nice.
It's a relaxing thing.
But it's, you know, I want people to be able to make their own choices.
The thing that drives me the most crazy about weed is the fact that it's illegal.
Because I think that if it was legal, then we could have regulated marijuana where you knew exactly what the fuck you're getting.
colion noir
And that's the crazy thing.
I don't like the secondhand smoke of weed.
I don't like being around it.
However, I do think it should be legal.
joe rogan
I think almost everything should be legal.
And I think the argument against that is kind of silly.
Because you look at the amount of cocaine that makes its way into this country that's laced with fentanyl and people start dying left and right because it's unregulated.
colion noir
That is untalked.
No one's talking about how fucking bad that is right now.
joe rogan
Well, one thing they're talking about is the amount of people that have died of overdose, 18 to 49. It's the number one killer of people 18 to 49. And no one's talking about it.
And no one's talking about that.
While they're trying to ban guns, like, what are you doing to stop the cartel from bringing fentanyl-laced cocaine in?
Because, and this is an uncomfortable state, and this is coming from a person who's never done cocaine in his life.
If you had legal cocaine, you would kill most of those deaths, or excuse me, you would eliminate, that's a bad word, kill.
You would eliminate most of the deaths due to overdose from fentanyl.
And that's a lot, man.
colion noir
That's a lot.
joe rogan
You would save 100,000 lives, probably.
colion noir
It's crazy.
This shit is decimating.
joe rogan
And it's only been in the last, like, 10 years.
That's what's nuts.
I mean, I think fentanyl started making its way into the country somewhere in the 10s, right?
Like, 2012 or 13 or something?
That's recent.
unidentified
Recent?
colion noir
Oh crap, that's recent.
joe rogan
Like, when did fentanyl overdoses start making their way into the United States?
And by the way, all the precursors for that shit come from China, and they all go into Mexico, and people are profiting, and it's a dirty business, man, where billions and billions of dollars are being generated, and they're being generated exclusively by illegal drug cartels.
And there's nothing you can do about that.
And the amount of resources they have because of that, I mean, you've seen some of the fucking warfare that they have, the cartel- Warfare?
colion noir
Holy shit.
The irony behind it is, like, if you want to talk about how gun control doesn't stop criminals from getting guns, look at Mexico.
You can barely own anything in Mexico.
And we all know what goes on there.
Of course, people will dismiss it and say, well, it's not a third world country, and so forth and so on.
joe rogan
It's basically connected to us.
In a way that you could get easily across.
It's like the idea that's hard to get from Mexico to the United States.
Have you ever gone to the coast?
Go to the coast near San Diego.
All you have to do is swim over here.
Literally.
You could just jump in the water, swim over around the little barrier, and you're in the United States.
colion noir
I mean, I grew up on the southwest side of Houston.
I know all too well.
joe rogan
They're coming in by the droves.
There was a number they had the other day where they were talking about the number of illegal aliens that make their way through the southern border every day, and it's astounding.
It's in the thousands every day.
So if you have a thousand every...
Let's just say it's a thousand.
That is more than a quarter million a year.
colion noir
But I mean, it demonstrates how porous it is.
So if that many people are coming over here, you have to think about how easy it is for the people we really don't want over here getting over here.
joe rogan
Right.
And how many people are coming over here with fentanyl?
colion noir
Exactly.
joe rogan
A lot.
I mean, fentanyl is so crazy that the tiniest amount will kill you.
colion noir
That's so creepy about it.
joe rogan
Yeah.
It's like a tiny little fucking little pinch and you're dead.
It's nuts.
Like, what did I ask you to Google?
jamie vernon
I mean, when did it start?
joe rogan
Yeah, when did fentanyl start?
jamie vernon
It was invented in 1959 or 1960, but the drug overdoses maybe in like 2013. I can't tell exactly.
joe rogan
Yeah, so somewhere in the neighborhood of 10 years ago it started happening.
colion noir
That's pretty damn recent.
joe rogan
It's pretty damn recent.
And the fact that they just put it in other stuff, you know, they put it in ecstasy, they put it in street Xanax.
colion noir
Yeah, no one knows what they're getting anymore.
Yeah.
Well, what's-his-face died?
Mac Miller.
Tom Petty?
joe rogan
That's how Tom Petty died?
Prince?
That's how Prince died?
unidentified
Yeah.
colion noir
Who's on the other kid who I actually listen to a lot.
unidentified
Juice WRLD? Juice WRLD. A lot of people, man.
joe rogan
A lot of people died from that shit.
It's a scary drug.
colion noir
Lil' Pete?
joe rogan
Yeah.
It's just scary because it's so potent.
And there's apparently something that's way more potent than fentanyl.
colion noir
Yeah, I heard something about that, too.
joe rogan
Yeah, there's some new shit.
colion noir
I'm like, God.
joe rogan
It's like someone saying, I want a better nuclear weapon.
I want a nuclear weapon that blows a planet to smithereens instantly.
Yeah, that's the problem with technological advancement, is that they can create things that are better, that are already horrible.
I mean, better and more effective.
colion noir
It's a double-edged sword that a lot of people don't.
joe rogan
What does it say here?
Tallahassee.
Okay, listen to this.
There's stuff called ISO. Isotan...
Tenitazine?
Isotan...
Say that.
Try to say that for me.
Isotinitazine?
Isotinitazine.
Okay.
Commonly referred to as ISO. According to reports, ISO is approximately 20 to 100 times stronger than fentanyl.
colion noir
That's a nuke.
Yeah.
joe rogan
Who's out there snorting ISO? That's a nuke!
Who's out there, bro?
This fentanyl ain't shit.
He's doing Scarface piles of fentanyl.
colion noir
That is...
I mean, how much dopamine do you really want?
joe rogan
I think people are just trying to die.
I don't know.
colion noir
Or escape.
joe rogan
Yeah, there's just so many people in pain.
colion noir
Yeah.
joe rogan
Which is really sad.
colion noir
Which is weird because it's like we just want to sweep it.
And I'll be the first to admit, dealing with that stuff and getting to the underlying issues of it is extremely hard.
It's complicated.
It's complex.
It's hard.
However, we've got to start somewhere.
They're so eager to say...
Start with banning this!
It's like, okay, but even if you got to where you got, you're gonna have to deal with this issue, no matter what.
And so, why not take the energy and the focus in dealing with that?
joe rogan
How do you deal with it, though?
Like, what would be the move to stop fentanyl from getting into this country?
I mean, the real hard truth is, people don't want fentanyl.
That's not what they want.
They want to get high, and they want to get high in a way where...
You know who Dr. Carl Hart is?
I've had him on my podcast several times, and he's a brilliant professor at Columbia who also does drugs.
He talks openly about it.
I mean, he looks like a guy who does drugs.
He's got dreads.
But he's brilliant, and he's unusual in the fact that he was a clean, straight-laced research professor who, upon His examination of these drugs in a research setting started realizing that our ideas of them were completely exaggerated and screwed and he enjoys heroin but he'll snort a little bit of it and like have great conversations and have a wonderful time with his wife and but he talks bravely about it where like if you're a fucking professor
at a university like who the fuck is out there talking about doing schedule one drugs yeah I mean, look, I'm not at all near anywhere that shit, but I mean...
Coffee, yeah, yeah.
colion noir
Like, I know how I feel when I drink this shit in the morning.
joe rogan
Yeah.
colion noir
So, I can't really judge someone who does that, personally.
joe rogan
Well, I've never done heroin either, but I get it.
I understand what he's saying.
And he's talking about how if we did have access to clean cocaine, where it was just cocaine, which very few people have.
colion noir
Everything's stepped on and weird.
joe rogan
You would have an understanding of what it is.
It's way better for you than alcohol, probably.
I mean, I don't know.
colion noir
I'm no fool to understand what the abuse of this can do.
I mean, so...
Like I said, everybody has their vices.
And some people can handle their vices better than others.
And so that's why for me, I'm not really big on the make all drugs illegal bandwagon.
joe rogan
No, that's stupid.
But who's to say?
I always use this analogy.
There was only three people on Earth, you, me, and Jamie.
And then Jamie decided, alcohol should be illegal.
We're going to lock you all up.
And we'd be like, what the What the fuck are you talking about, dude?
And Jamie wants to put us in a cage because we drink alcohol.
That would be crazy.
Well, why is it?
Because the real numbers of people that want it to be illegal, that enforce it, are so small in comparison to the general population.
colion noir
It's literally creating an economy that is more destructive than the actual drug itself.
joe rogan
Right.
And you're propping up murderers.
You're propping up this fucking cartel violence.
colion noir
That's what I'm getting at.
It's crazy.
joe rogan
It doesn't work.
colion noir
Like, a lot of the violence in the inner city is driven by the narco economy that exists there.
joe rogan
Exactly.
But how would you ever transition to making it legal?
It's like, once that genie's out of the bottle, how do you put it back in?
How would you ever...
colion noir
Does it really matter?
It's already out of...
It's out there as is.
joe rogan
Right, but if someone's child died of an overdose because they made cocaine legal and they just started doing cocaine, they had a heart attack and died, you'd be like, blood is on your hands.
I'm like, are you sure?
Because it's not like it's hard to get it now.
We would have to have that kind of really uncomfortable conversation.
colion noir
Take chocolate overdose on this.
joe rogan
It's pretty hard over.
I mean, that's not hard to overdose on alcohol.
I shouldn't say that, but if you don't know what you're doing...
unidentified
I see what you mean.
colion noir
Yeah, I mean, there's a quantity level of consumption that's required to know you to get to that point.
joe rogan
And you can always throw up.
colion noir
Yeah.
joe rogan
It's like, I don't think it's an easy solution.
I think making drugs legal would be a very difficult growing period or learning period.
colion noir
Because even me...
I'm more apathetic to whether or not they should be legal.
That's kind of where I stand.
I'm kind of just apathetic to it.
Because largely, I don't have the answers as to how do we regulate that.
But at the same time, I can't see how destructive they are as far as being illegal.
unidentified
Right.
colion noir
And the economies that are created around it because of the illegality.
It's no different than when we were dealing with the prohibition of alcohol.
joe rogan
Well, that's what made all the fucking mafia guys rich.
colion noir
For Christ's sake, that's where we got the genesis of our modern-day gun laws.
joe rogan
Really?
colion noir
Yeah, because of the violence that was taking place during that time period.
That's why fool autos are borderline illegal for any of us to own.
Because of what was happening during that time period.
joe rogan
No shit.
colion noir
Yeah.
joe rogan
Huh.
Well, it makes sense.
They had those old ones with the circle thing, the circle magazine.
Yeah, that is a wild time when you think about the amount of money that was transferred to illegal organizations just because people wanted alcohol and the government had designed...
What was the genesis of that?
Like, who decided that alcohol should be illegal?
And how'd they pull that off?
Because it was only illegal in America, right?
It wasn't illegal in Europe, was it?
colion noir
I don't think so.
I remember watching a documentary about this and I forgot everything.
jamie vernon
I've looked into this too a few times.
Temperance movement, they tried to start it a few times and it didn't really take hold.
And then somewhere in Ohio that it clicked.
joe rogan
Oh, it was Ohio.
All roads lead to Ohio.
jamie vernon
Yeah, there's a spot called Temperance Row.
You can still go visit the area.
But when I looked into that, I found out it wasn't just happening there.
It was happening in a few places.
I don't know if it was a religious thing or a political thing, but it was one of the two, which could have been at that time the same thing.
colion noir
Yeah.
joe rogan
Right.
Well, people were just kind of dumb back then, too, in terms of the repercussions of things.
They had no idea.
They probably thought they were going to make a better society.
colion noir
We're going to build a better society.
There's an oversimplification of things.
And I think, too, to a certain degree, especially when we talk about the gun stuff, too, I think we create the problems because we're always looking to our leaders to give us oversimplified solutions to complex issues.
And we don't give them the leeway to try to figure it out.
We want the answers now.
So we kind of almost, to a certain degree, force them to say, let me grab on to the easiest, most visible way to say I'm solving this solution so they can get off my back.
Or I can look like I'm not incompetent.
Because we want our solutions now, we want them fast, and we want them easy.
And that's, I think, the major problem that we're having in terms of our dynamic and relationship with our leaders and the public as a whole.
It's because we always want an oversimplified solution to very complex problems.
And we don't give them enough time.
We don't even give ourselves enough time to work through the problem.
We just don't.
joe rogan
We have so many unresolved, super complex problems in this country, too, like extreme poverty, what's happening in certain inner cities like the South Side of Chicago, like Detroit, Baltimore.
There's many of them that you could point to that have never changed.
They're the same as they were decades ago.
If anything, they've gotten worse, and there's no effort to really have a compromise.
Superficial stuff.
colion noir
Superficial.
Oh, we're going to be tougher on crime.
joe rogan
When Ukraine rolls around, we've got all the fucking hands on deck.
It's wild.
colion noir
And we send guns and shit to our friends.
unidentified
Yeah.
Fucking missiles and shit.
colion noir
People of America?
No, no, no, no, no.
We're not giving you guns so that you can hold us accountable.
unidentified
Right.
joe rogan
And also, it's like, what are we doing?
What is happening over there?
How is this going to escalate?
I'm fucking terrified that this could escalate to nuclear war.
Terrified.
colion noir
I mean, I just did a video about Taiwan.
People are starting to learn to train how to use guns.
I mean, they're using airsoft guns to do it, but they're learning how to use firearms in the event China decides to invade, which is also an interesting thing.
And I keep telling people this all the time when we talk about, you know, respect to the Second Amendment.
Like people forget that Second Amendment wasn't written for hunting.
It wasn't written for sports shooting.
It was written so that people had a means to check potential tyrannical government, foreign or domestic.
joe rogan
Right, because they came from a tyrannical government.
And that's why this country was foreign.
colion noir
Exactly.
And people, I hear this argument all the time.
They're like, well, I was talking about the militia.
And I'm like, let's say that, just take it outside of the political realm.
It makes no sense.
If the purpose that it was written was to allow the people to have the ability to check a potential tyrannical government, domestic or foreign, why would they write in the Constitution telling the government that they have the ability to own firearms?
It makes no sense.
Right.
And if it's designed for the people to be able to check a potential tyrannical government, foreign or domestic, does it make sense that the people would have to go to that government that's being tyrannical to get the guns to fight back against that government?
joe rogan
Right.
colion noir
That makes no sense.
joe rogan
Doesn't make any sense.
colion noir
Doesn't make any sense at all.
unidentified
No.
colion noir
So I find it odd when people try to make this argument.
And I'm like, just even on the intellectual level, right?
There's the operative clause and then the operative clause and the prefatory clause.
People don't understand how that works.
It's like they're basically saying, in the beginning of the statement, a well-regulated militia being necessary to secure the free state.
This is why we're about to say what we're about to say after this.
unidentified
Right.
colion noir
The right of the people to keep and bear arms shall not be infringed because we understand that a militia, which is comprised of the people, is needed in order to protect the security of the state which is created.
joe rogan
Yeah, and when they say that's when people had muskets, yeah, the government too, you fuck.
colion noir
Yeah, exactly.
joe rogan
Yeah, the government had muskets back then too.
colion noir
And it was the top of the top weapon at the time.
I'm just trying to say that as simply as possible.
Their musket was the equivalent of our AR right now.
joe rogan
Yeah.
And what scares me is that people think that the people that are in the military would never turn on the citizens.
I'm like, you don't know people.
colion noir
People, you don't.
joe rogan
They could other people so easily.
They could decide that those people that are against them are the enemy and the enemy of the state and the enemy of the government.
colion noir
Who did, like, Tiananmen Square.
And always I say Tiananmen Square is because I just recently watched a video about it again because I was just refreshing my brain about it.
Who do you think the people were who came in and killed the people who were protesting?
It was the military.
The same military.
joe rogan
There was a video of a girl, woman, by the way, who was talking about taking arms up against the people.
And this was about lockdowns during COVID. And she was talking about, if you don't think that I would take arms against you and shoot you, That you're crazy.
colion noir
I saw that.
joe rogan
You see that video?
I'm like, bitch, are you out of your fucking mind?
Like, what a weird power trip you're on.
You're talking about shooting people that don't want to get vaccinated?
colion noir
Think about that.
joe rogan
Wild.
colion noir
Yeah.
And then you're going to tell me that I'm supposed to trust the government to protect me without firearms.
joe rogan
Because when you give a person a gun and you give a person a sense of power and then give a person this sense of entitlement that they're entitled to tell people what to do and enforce laws like there's just a natural tendency that people have.
colion noir
Which is why the founding fathers understood that.
So the only check against that is for the people to have firearms too.
joe rogan
But we still have this problem with mass shooting.
So what the fuck is the solution to temper that, to stop that, to mitigate that, to do something to keep evil, destroyed, disturbed people from getting their hands on guns.
colion noir
So let's put things in the framework of the reality we are in.
The vast majority of the people who are committing mass shootings are getting their guns legally.
It's not like they're getting them off the streets legally.
They're getting them legally.
And the way they're able to get them legally is because they're passing background checks.
The vast majority of mass shooters pass background checks to get their guns.
They're passing background checks because they don't have criminal history.
They don't.
So, if you're just going to look at this from a gun control perspective, your only option is to ban guns.
That is your only option.
If you're only going to look at this from a gun control perspective, because we already have everything in place to prevent this.
We have background checks.
They're passing them, right?
So they're passing background checks because they don't have criminal histories and they're getting these guns and they're committing violence.
In any event that they do have a history that could have prevented them from doing it, the system failed.
The Charleston shooter, he shouldn't have never had the gun.
But the way the system was executed, the way they conducted the background check, there was a mistake.
He's got his hands on a gun.
What, are you going to make the background check more back-checkier?
No, because the system is run by humans that are inherently flawed.
So what do we do when the system breaks down even though we have things in place to stop it?
You have to be in a position to deal with the threat immediately.
Nobody likes that because the idea of self-defense in the moment is ugly.
It's nasty.
It sucks.
You fight.
You understand what that's like.
At the end of the day, first and foremost, you need to put yourself in a position to protect yourself and stop it immediately.
Then we can start working our way towards, alright, how do we deal with the even more complex issues?
Because telling me that I just can't own this gun or that gun or this gun...
It's lunacy and it's moronic.
We have over 400 million guns in this country.
You think you're going to write a law that says we're not allowed to have AR-15s anymore and now you're no longer going to see mass shootings where AR-15s are involved?
Doesn't make sense.
And then even if you do, AR-15s make up less than a fraction of the guns used in actual gun deaths.
joe rogan
So what is the solution if these people are passing background checks and they are getting guns legally and they're still committing these horrific mass murders?
What's the solution?
colion noir
The solution is to empower the people to stop them when they show up.
joe rogan
That's it?
colion noir
You think that's it?
Well, think about it.
joe rogan
There's no mental health solution.
There's nothing we can do in terms of...
colion noir
So from a mental health perspective, we can have the conversation about what type of evaluation would take place that would preclude some...
Like, what type of diagnosis would be required to preclude somebody from their Second Amendment right to own a firearm, even though they've actually never committed a crime?
That's the question we have to address.
Where?
unidentified
Where?
colion noir
Where's that line?
So somebody who has anxiety, are we going to prevent them from owning a gun?
Somebody who has transient depression, are we going to prevent them from owning a gun because they get depressed sometimes?
Where's that line?
And so that's where things start getting excessively complicated and incredibly subjective.
Because which doctors are going to make this decision?
Right?
Right.
Well, one doctor who's like, I mean, people who have anxiety or borderline depression or the case may be, they're not violent people.
And then you have another doctor who is on the payroll of some big timer who has, who's incredibly anti-gun and says, nope, I need you to find that anybody who has anxiety won't be allowed to have a firearm.
unidentified
Right.
colion noir
But then the whole mental health spectrum is so broad and so complicated that you're not going to get anything as definitive as anybody who has anxiety or depression can't own guns.
You're not going to get that.
It has to be action-based or potentially action-based.
If you're in the process of, say, like you can be charged with attempted murder because you took substantial steps to go and murder somebody.
You may not have been able to do it, but you took substantial steps to do it.
So therefore, we can charge you with attempted murder.
Now, somebody, for instance, there have been numerous stories where people have said, they've written, I'm going to kill these people.
They have lists of names they're going to do.
They've acquired firearms.
They've shown behavior that says that they're willing to do these things.
You can take a substantial step enough to say you are a potential mass shooter, and you can be charged with that.
We have laws to deal with that.
So I don't understand why people don't understand the reality of that.
It's not as simple as saying, well, everyone just needs to have a mental health evaluation.
Because where's the standard?
joe rogan
Right.
It is subjective.
Like someone can decide if you like certain movies, if you listen to certain music, you play video games.
colion noir
And that puts the power in the hands of the government who have already demonstrated really don't want us to have guns to begin with.
And that's the problem.
joe rogan
And then there's this thing that...
When people want to have a solution, then all of a sudden it becomes political.
And it doesn't become political in that there's necessarily some sort of an interest to get the people unarmed, as much as there is to come up with at least a paper solution that makes people satisfied that their politicians are doing the work.
colion noir
And I agree with that.
And that's another thing that doesn't get done very well, is putting in hate boxes, but for the sake of making the necessary distinctions of the people having the conversations, right?
You have the politicians, like, they really don't want anyone to have guns.
They're there.
Then you have people who just hate guns, don't want to be a part of that.
They're people who really just want solutions, right?
They're like, look, people are dying.
We need to do something.
This seems like the easiest thing to do because I think it'll work.
There are a lot of people like that.
Their motivation, everything about it is positive.
It's good.
They have the same desire that people in the gun community have to figure out a way to save lives.
But at a certain point, we do have to understand, we have to confront reality.
400 million guns in this country.
We have over 300 million people in this country.
Just those numbers alone, they're going to be substantially more crazy people who haven't done anything crazy than other places.
People always want to compare us to the UK. So the UK as a whole is about the size of New York.
So naturally, you're just going to have more people willing to do crazy stuff like that because we have so many people from different backgrounds and just so diverse in terms of upbringing, you name it.
So we're going to be more exposed to people who are willing to do things like that.
So as a result of that, we need to empower the people who aren't like that to be able to stop it when it arises.
And you don't do that by making people defenseless.
It just doesn't work that way.
joe rogan
So what you're offering is a pragmatic approach.
Solution to deal with the very real problem that we have here.
Not looking at it in terms of a romantic version of how we're going to take away all the bad guns and all the bad violence is going to stop.
You're looking at it in terms of what are the actual facts, what are we actually dealing with, and what is the only actionable solution.
colion noir
Yeah, because if you ban AR-15s, or let's say in some cases, and Joe's actually said he wanted to ban semi-automatic weapons, cool.
But it means nothing when the guy shows up to my house to kick in my door has one.
unidentified
All you need is a double-bound shotgun.
joe rogan
You can't try to shoot one off into the air.
And what was I talking about?
unidentified
There's a hundred billion people with guns and over 500% of them are from jail or something.
colion noir
But Joe is also a FUD. He just has a very antiquated way of looking at arms.
joe rogan
That's a funny thing, the FUD. People don't even know what that means.
I know what it means.
Elmer FUD. That's how people talk about people that hunt, that use bolt-action rifles.
People like you, real gun enthusiasts like yourself.
They call them Elmer FUDs.
colion noir
But that's why he's always equating everything to the idea of hunting.
Because that's its only perspective.
The second man has nothing to do with hunting.
Absolutely nothing to do with hunting.
To process it through that lens because that's the only way he's – he's been in politics his entire life.
He's been surrounded by protection his entire life.
joe rogan
That's the thing, right?
They all want protection.
They all want armed guards, which is wild.
The people that are anti-gun also want armed guards, which is fucking wild.
colion noir
Here's the crazy thing.
We say we want AR-15s to protect ourselves and protect our life, right?
The people who are protecting Joe Biden are protecting his life.
And they also have AR-15s.
So how can you then turn around and look at me and say, I don't know why you need an AR-15 to protect your life.
You have nine dudes around you with the goddamn same gun that you're telling me I shouldn't have to protect my life.
Fuck you!
I'm sorry.
joe rogan
And on that, let's wrap it up.
Thank you, brother.
I appreciate you coming here.
Coleon Noir on Instagram.
What's your website?
colion noir
The People of Pew Life?
Shop.MrColeonNoir.com is where I have all my pro 2A merch.
And MrColeonNoir.com is my blog.
joe rogan
YouTube.
colion noir
YouTube.
MrColeonNoir.com.
joe rogan
Thank you.
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