June 10, 2022 - The Joe Rogan Experience
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Joe Rogan Podcast, check it out! | |
| The Joe Rogan Experience. | ||
| Train by day, Joe Rogan Podcast by night, all day! | ||
| Hello, Megan. | ||
| Hi. | ||
| What's happening? | ||
| Good to see you. | ||
| Good to see you also. | ||
| What's crack-a-lackin'? | ||
| Um, well... | ||
| Welcome to America. | ||
| Are you ready to get wasted? | ||
| Yeah, you and this fucking... | ||
| You and this fucking vile beverage that you bring... | ||
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I brought... | |
| Lord. | ||
| I was like, Joe is going to actually be mad when he sees what I brought. | ||
| Explain to people what this is. | ||
| Okay. | ||
| I brought Raycia. | ||
| Joe Rogan, this man right here, he talks about Raycia. | ||
| I talk about it. | ||
| He gave it to me. | ||
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All the time! | |
| I serve it to people. | ||
| You never stop bitching about Raycia. | ||
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Well, I give it to people, and every time I give it to people, they're like, Jesus! | |
| I don't know. | ||
| It's one of the rare alcohols that we've had in studio that we haven't burned through. | ||
| Yeah, and I noticed you didn't give it to Snoop. | ||
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No. | |
| The squandered opportunity. | ||
| I was like, you're like, you don't want that. | ||
| I don't think Snoop wants that. | ||
| Maybe he doesn't want that. | ||
| I can't take a chance with Snoop. | ||
| Okay, so Bricea is moonshine from the state of Jalisco, which is where I live in Mexico. | ||
| And it's similar to Mezcal, so it comes from the agave plant. | ||
| And that is the end of my explanation, because after that I am confused. | ||
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So. | |
| I don't know why you like it. | ||
| I don't know why either. | ||
| I don't love most booze. | ||
| Really? | ||
| I love drinking. | ||
| But I love whiskey, I love scotch, I love where I see it. | ||
| So you like strong stuff. | ||
| I don't like tequila, I don't like vodka, I don't like rum. | ||
| Yeah, you're a strong drinker. | ||
| Well, obviously. | ||
| If you like Ricea, you're a strong drinker. | ||
| You like stuff you feel. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| But, I mean, I can't explain it. | ||
| Like, I can't explain why I don't like tequila, but I like Ricea, which everybody else hates. | ||
| Okay, thank you. | ||
| You don't have to explain shit. | ||
| You're like, Megan, just do you. | ||
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You live your life. | |
| You do you, girl. | ||
| You like what you like. | ||
| Yeah, exactly. | ||
| Okay, so what I brought... | ||
| This is actual moonshine. | ||
| It didn't come in this bottle. | ||
| My friend put it in this bottle for me. | ||
| But she actually bought it from on the top of a mountain in Yalapa from a guy. | ||
| Have you tested it yet? | ||
| I've tried it. | ||
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So it's okay? | |
| No. | ||
| No? | ||
| It's not going to kill you. | ||
| Yeah, I mean, does it kill you? | ||
| No, no, no. | ||
| It's good. | ||
| I mean, they've been making this stuff for centuries. | ||
| So they put in that bottle. | ||
| Did you put the label? | ||
| They sell it out of two liter Coke bottles. | ||
| I feel like that's the one we should try. | ||
| This came out of a two liter Coke bottle. | ||
| Yeah, we have to try it. | ||
| We should definitely try that one. | ||
| That's the one we've got to try. | ||
| I want to look at your face. | ||
| Okay. | ||
| Are we putting it in mugs? | ||
| Yeah. | ||
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Why not? | |
| I mean, fuck it. | ||
| This is not formal. | ||
| No, we're not in these coffee mugs here because I'm probably gonna pour coffee in it later. | ||
| Dude, you're gonna hate this. | ||
| I promise. | ||
| And then after I'm gonna give you some that you might actually like and if you don't like it then I give up on you forever. | ||
| Oh no. | ||
| I'm a whiskey guy. | ||
| Then we're not friends anymore. | ||
| I love whiskey too. | ||
| Buffalo trays. | ||
| That's my kind of shit. | ||
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Okay. | |
| Cheers my friend. | ||
| Cheers. | ||
| Nice to see you again. | ||
| Very good to see you. | ||
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Okay. | |
| Oh, boy. | ||
| I just got racy all over my face. | ||
| That's what happens when you drink out of mugs. | ||
| That tastes like it came from a fucking coke bottle. | ||
| Do you like it at all? | ||
| Like, I don't know. | ||
| I kind of like it. | ||
| Obviously. | ||
| You're like, I mean, let me tell you. | ||
| Well, Megan, you're a strong cup of coffee as a human, you know, and it makes sense that you would like a strong beverage. | ||
| Okay, thank you. | ||
| That actually makes sense. | ||
| I appreciate that. | ||
| Yeah, it makes sense. | ||
| You know, it fits you. | ||
| And this is like, it's either 47 or 48 proof. | ||
| And the way that they test the proof... | ||
| They ain't testing shit. | ||
| ...is by... | ||
| She showed me a video. | ||
| My friend showed me a video. | ||
| And the guy who was making it put it in this little thing and then blew bubbles with a straw. | ||
| And then he looks at the bubbles. | ||
| Like, he looks at the size of the bubbles and sees, like, how fast they pop. | ||
| And that's how, you know... | ||
| Oh, super accurate. | ||
| Does he snake charm as well? | ||
| Like, what the fuck? | ||
| This one I bought from the bar across the street from my house because I really loved it. | ||
| I was like, this is so good. | ||
| And I couldn't find it anywhere. | ||
| I couldn't buy it anywhere. | ||
| So is that a popular beverage with Mexicans or is it a popular beverage with the expats? | ||
| More like Mexicans. | ||
| Like for example... | ||
| This is beautiful. | ||
| Yeah, this one is beautiful. | ||
| I love the little... | ||
| This one actually to me tastes more like a mezcal. | ||
| Do you like mezcal? | ||
| Yeah, I do. | ||
| Like this one is smokier. | ||
| So you might like this one. | ||
| But I also like the bottle a lot. | ||
| I like how the bottle comes with that little necklace. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| You can wear that if you want. | ||
| No. | ||
| It's not my style. | ||
| But it is Pride Month. | ||
| It would fit for Pride Month. | ||
| Perfect. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| You can represent your LGBTQ allies or whatever. | ||
| Or leprechauns. | ||
| Or leprechauns, yeah. | ||
| Whatever. | ||
| But yeah, like, I mean, Mexicans, this kind of stuff, they only sell to locals. | ||
| Like, they don't sell this in stores. | ||
| They sell it to the locals who live in that area. | ||
| So yeah, Mexicans like it. | ||
| I mean, some Mexicans. | ||
| Most people that I know think I'm a crazy person also. | ||
| Like, in Mexico, they're like... | ||
| You're the only person who buys this, Megan. | ||
| You burn through all of our ricea and nobody else buys ricea. | ||
| Is that mostly what you drink down there? | ||
| Yeah. | ||
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Wow. | |
| I drink red wine with dinner or at home, but if I go out, I drink ricea. | ||
| Can you get that? | ||
| Have you ever tried to get a bar in the States? | ||
| Have you ever gone to Austin and asked for ricea? | ||
| No. | ||
| I don't think they would know what that is. | ||
| Maybe I'll try. | ||
| Try it tonight. | ||
| Give it a shot. | ||
| Okay. | ||
| I'm going to try not to get too wasted tonight because I have an event tomorrow. | ||
| Oh, what's your event? | ||
| It's called Women Leaving the Left. | ||
| Wow. | ||
| It's a panel of women, females, adult human females, and it's at the Austin Central Library on West Cesar Chavez. | ||
| Did I say that right? | ||
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Yeah. | |
| Yeah, 710. And it's basically like, I've been writing a lot lately about, sorry, I'm just gonna launch into my spiel or whatever. | ||
| I've been writing a lot lately about my political transformation, I suppose you could call it. | ||
| I mean, I was super left-wing for my whole life. | ||
| From when I was a kid, I grew up in a Marxist household. | ||
| So I was a socialist and a feminist my whole life. | ||
| Until maybe, I don't know, two or three years ago I started feeling like I wasn't super into the labels anymore. | ||
| And definitely started feeling... | ||
| Becoming very critical of the left and not just the way the left had treated me, which has been abhorrent. | ||
| But ideologically, I think that there's problems. | ||
| What specifically bothers you? | ||
| Well, I mean, I guess, so part of the thing that happened was that I realized that attaching yourself to any movement and any ideology limits critical thought and independent thought, you get trapped into this box and the people that you're allied with in these movements also trap you into that box. | ||
| And I am a writer. | ||
| And that's, you know, I'm a thinker. | ||
| You know, like, I want to learn. | ||
| I want to know. | ||
| And I want the freedom to change my mind about things. | ||
| I want the freedom to explore new ideas and I want the freedom to talk to, you know, I also do podcasts and I want to be able to, part of the reason I do it is because it's interesting, like it's a great way to learn. | ||
| I'm sure you know that, right? | ||
| Yeah, sure. | ||
| I've learned so much just from the opportunity to talk to so many different kinds of people and ask them questions about things that I don't know about. | ||
| It's an amazing resource. | ||
| It's amazing. | ||
| Running a podcast and being able to have conversations with people has changed who I am. | ||
| I mean, if you go back 12 years ago to when I started the podcast, what I know and the way I talk and the way I think about things, it's very different. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| And I'm sure that that played like a large role in my changing my mind about all sorts of things. | ||
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Right. | |
| Because you're exposed to new ideas and different perspectives and people who come from different backgrounds. | ||
| And I mean, I just feel like so many people on the left and so many people in feminism are siloed. | ||
| And that is probably true about the right to a certain extent. | ||
| It's just that I'm much less familiar with the right because I've never been involved with the right before. | ||
| But I feel like on the left and in feminism, they're around people who only agree with them, who only see things their way. | ||
| And they refuse to speak to anybody who doesn't see things their way, which, you know, exacerbates the problem. | ||
| And I didn't want that. | ||
| I felt intellectually bored also. | ||
| Like I was like, OK, I feel like I'm just repeating myself now. | ||
| So I'm not even thinking critically about what I'm saying. | ||
| I already know the analysis. | ||
| I already know the mantra. | ||
| I know what my response is supposed to be. | ||
| I know what words I'm supposed to plug in. | ||
| Patriarchy, capitalism, intersectionality. | ||
| I'll know I never got fully into that nonsense. | ||
| But you know, and I, and I really like I was, I really have been treated very badly by the left and by feminists. | ||
| And When you say that though, don't you think it's just specific people that are attached to an ideology? | ||
| It's not like people that are left-wing people have treated you badly. | ||
| It's very specific kind of people that decide that you are venturing away from the ideological boundaries. | ||
| It's partly that, but I think that is connected to left-wing politics and left-wing ideology. | ||
| At least now. | ||
| Maybe that wasn't true in the 70s. | ||
| But left-wing thoughts, right? | ||
| This is the thing that I have a problem with, with all this stuff. | ||
| It's like... | ||
| I'm very open-minded and very liberal when it comes to gay rights, women's rights, civil rights. | ||
| You know, even things that I'm still on the fence about now, like universal basic income. | ||
| Boy, I was all in until the pandemic. | ||
| And then watching the way people behaved when they got a hold of a lot of unemployment and the money from the government, the COVID relief money, and they didn't want to work anymore. | ||
| I was like, ooh. | ||
| I know it's not a lot of people. | ||
| It's not like all the people react in the exact same way. | ||
| But I have friends that own businesses and they couldn't get people to work for them. | ||
| I have a friend who owns a restaurant and he couldn't get a bartender. | ||
| The bartender would only work for $20 an hour, or excuse me, for 20 hours a week so that he could get unemployment. | ||
| And he was like, what the fuck, man? | ||
| Yeah, I mean, but I think that's partly... | ||
| I mean, yeah, that's true. | ||
| But I think that's partly, like, baked into left-wing ideology nowadays because there's this, like, opposition to... | ||
| You know, independence, there's an opposition to trying to better yourself as an individual person. | ||
| There's an opposition to individualism because you're supposed to blame the system. | ||
| You're supposed to blame capitalism, racism, patriarchy, you know, and then all the myriad of phobias, transphobia, fatphobia. | ||
| And so the solution is not to change you. | ||
| It's not your fault. | ||
| It's their fault because they're phobic or the system's trying to keep you down. | ||
| So I think that not wanting to work anymore is like, well, why should I? I don't have to. | ||
| They don't realize that it's good for your mental health to work. | ||
| It's not good for your mental health to sit around in your apartment on Netflix or on Zoom or on social media or on dating apps or looking at porn all day. | ||
| Well, the thing is, it's not good to not be self-sustaining, is my thought. | ||
| I think there's an issue. | ||
| I think for many people, you get unemployment and you use that unemployment to try to find another job and to sustain yourself, and it's great. | ||
| But for some people, there is a general human tendency to, when you're offered a break, to take that break. | ||
| You know, when you're offered money to do nothing, to do nothing, and you'll do nothing. | ||
| I think my thoughts about universal basic income were, and this is what I liked about it, I liked the idea of giving a person an opportunity where, like, we pay for so many things. | ||
| We just sent 40 billion dollars to Ukraine, right? | ||
| Why can't we figure out a way to give people enough money to sustain themselves so that they could actually pursue their interests? | ||
| And do what they want to do. | ||
| And I think that would make for a stronger world, a stronger economy, a stronger community of people, and happier, healthier people. | ||
| That was my thought. | ||
| But then when I saw how people reacted with the government money from COVID relief and from unemployment, I was thinking, man, I don't know. | ||
| There's a lot of people that aren't going to react the right way. | ||
| And what they're going to do is they're going to take an easy way out and they're going to lay around. | ||
| And that sucks. | ||
| If you give people an opportunity to be lazy, unfortunately, a lot of people are going to be lazy. | ||
| And the problem is if you oppose that, if you oppose that relief, then people say you're cruel and you're not looking out for the working people. | ||
| First of all, I hate those fucking categories like working people. | ||
| Goddammit, everybody's working. | ||
| Shut the fuck up. | ||
| It's not a working people issue. | ||
| We're all working. | ||
| Everyone's doing something, right? | ||
| Or you're not. | ||
| And if you're not, that is the problem. | ||
| The problem is when people don't want to do anything. | ||
| Because that is a general instinct that people have towards laziness. | ||
| And the problem, I think, with whether it's universal basic income or any other social safety nets, which I very much support for the most part, is that some people, it's not everybody, but some people have a tendency to just be fucking lazy. | ||
| Yes. | ||
| And again, this is attached to, I think, leftist ideology, because I think what I've realized of late is that leftist ideology is about idealism. | ||
| Like, it's like, we want to create this world, and this is the way the world should be. | ||
| But in reality, that world doesn't exist, and people don't work like that. | ||
| Like, what they want. | ||
| And I'm saying this as somebody who believed these things. | ||
| People get really mad at me. | ||
| People are mad at me all the time. | ||
| Nothing new. | ||
| But, you know, people, when I start criticizing the left, people get angry at me. | ||
| First of all, because people, I think, like to categorize people and box them in. | ||
| And when they start moving outside of the box, they get angry and confused and frustrated. | ||
| And so they'll just want to write you off or hate you or call me right wing or whatever. | ||
| But, you know, I was a leftist, and I thought like these people, and I thought that it was right. | ||
| And the reason that I was a leftist is because I care about people. | ||
| It's not because I'm an evil communist. | ||
| Like, the right is very bad at writing people off, too. | ||
| It's like, all these communists. | ||
| It's like, these people don't even really know what communism is. | ||
| I'm sure they've never read Marx, for the most part. | ||
| But, you know, I didn't want people to be poor. | ||
| I didn't want people to not have housing and food and access to healthcare and education. | ||
| I wanted things to be more equal and just. | ||
| That's why I was a leftist. | ||
| But the solution was an idea. | ||
| You know, like if we create this kind of society, then we'll all live in happy communities And everybody will work and nobody will slack off and like there'll be no exploitation and like rape will disappear and oppression will disappear. | ||
| And that's not what happens in the real world. | ||
| That's not what's happened in places that have implemented communist regimes. | ||
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No. | |
| I don't think that it's good to base a movement on idealism and ideas that are not rooted in material reality. | ||
| The argument is always that socialism has never been implemented correctly. | ||
| This sort of utopian idea of what a real, genuine, compassionate socialist community could look like. | ||
| That's never really been done correctly. | ||
| But do you think it's a human nature issue? | ||
| The idea of socialism is great on a surface level if you're thinking about people that work hard and that want everyone else to do well and they want to all contribute. | ||
| I think you could have a socialist community of very driven, disciplined people where they share. | ||
| They share things. | ||
| We have some socialist things, right? | ||
| Like the fire department is an excellent example of socialism. | ||
| Because we pay in to this thing that supports these people who put out fires. | ||
| And nobody complains about it. | ||
| It's a normal thing. | ||
| It's something that we contribute to. | ||
| It's like a fund. | ||
| And that fund puts out fires. | ||
| And it puts out fires based on your tax dollars that you put into it. | ||
| And you don't want a society where if you don't have money, they don't put the fire out, right? | ||
| But some people would argue that that's where it ends. | ||
| Like you shouldn't have that and extend that to education. | ||
| You shouldn't have that and extend that to healthcare. | ||
| I think that's where socialism could work. | ||
| And I don't mean socialism like across the board. | ||
| I mean socialist ideas. | ||
| I think the idea of A universal healthcare system where everyone is covered and you never have to worry about anything bankrupting you because you broke a leg or you hurt your back, that you're taken care of and that we all contribute to that. | ||
| And again, if we can give $40 billion to Ukraine, why the fuck can't we do that? | ||
| We can do that. | ||
| That's totally possible. | ||
| The education system. | ||
| The idea that you have to be in debt. | ||
| I was reading a story the other day about this woman who's $250,000 in debt. | ||
| From student loans. | ||
| And she took out $150,000. | ||
| So over the course of the interest that's accumulated, she's got $100,000 more in interest. | ||
| I'm like, what the fuck is that? | ||
| And you can't get rid of that. | ||
| It's fucked. | ||
| Tell me about it. | ||
| I support public health care still. | ||
| I do think that it is imperative that people have access to health care. | ||
| And I think the health care system in America... | ||
| It's horrible because I think the aspect of it that's horrible is that people can go into insane amounts of debt because they got sick or hurt. | ||
| Like, that's not okay to me. | ||
| It's not okay. | ||
| And student loan debt, like, you're right. | ||
| Like, you get... | ||
| An amount of debt that you can't afford to pay off with the job that you've gotten from going to university, and then they're charging you all this interest, so it makes it doubly impossible to pay it off, and it's like a trap. | ||
| And you can't get out of it. | ||
| No! | ||
| You can't declare bankruptcy on it anymore. | ||
| You used to be able to. | ||
| You could sell some horrible medication that kills people, get sued for it, lose all your money, go bankrupt. | ||
| And you're good. | ||
| It'll absolve you of your debts. | ||
| But that's one of the rare forms of debt that you cannot escape. | ||
| Which is crazy because you're giving it to 18-year-olds. | ||
| You have an 18-year-old who doesn't have a fully formed brain. | ||
| I want the money. | ||
| But also, I couldn't afford to go to school full-time. | ||
| I could not. | ||
| For my whole life... | ||
| Until I was able to, you know, make a living off of what I'm doing now, which took a lot of work and me working for free for many, many years. | ||
| I had like three jobs all through university. | ||
| Like I was always working full time and you're trying to complete a degree and they make that impossible too. | ||
| You can't complete a degree now. | ||
| Part-time. | ||
| At least I couldn't in Canada because I couldn't take classes and, like, I couldn't finish a degree only by taking night classes. | ||
| It's impossible. | ||
| So eventually you have to quit your job and you have to go into debt. | ||
| Like, people who are critical of... | ||
| Students who rack up a ton of student loan debt and can't pay it off don't seem to understand. | ||
| They're like, why don't you get a summer job and save money over the summer? | ||
| And I was like, I don't live in my parents' house. | ||
| When I was 18, my parents moved to the States. | ||
| I have to pay rent. | ||
| My parents aren't paying for my life for me. | ||
| I don't have any money to save. | ||
| Sometimes I don't have enough money to get on the bus and I have to walk to work. | ||
| This is when I was 19, 20. I was broke. | ||
| Most of my life. | ||
| I wasn't poor. | ||
| I don't want to be like, woe is me. | ||
| I always had a house and something to fall back on. | ||
| I was never going to be homeless. | ||
| It wasn't like I couldn't eat. | ||
| But there was no saving money. | ||
| I did not have thousands of dollars to pay tuition. | ||
| I had to take out student loan debt. | ||
| I had no choice. | ||
| Right. | ||
| Do you think that there's a certain amount of struggle like that, that is not just good for you, but necessary in order to steal your discipline and create a person who can overcome adversity? | ||
| If everything is handed to you, this is the argument that the right will use, right? | ||
| That if you make things too easy, if you give people free education, if you give people free healthcare, that they're going to become soft and we need a resilient, tough country that works hard and the way you get people to work hard is you force them to. | ||
| Because that's the only way that people are going to do it. | ||
| I think it's true in some ways. | ||
| I mean, I think that struggle is imperative and important. | ||
| I think that you need pain to experience and understand pleasure. | ||
| I think if there's just everything is easy for you, I think you get really depressed. | ||
| Like, you need to work hard and you have to know what it means to, like, suffer and feel pain and to, like, be bad at things and to, like, get better at things. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| I know I don't need to tell you this, but, like... | ||
| I mean, what I experienced was useful to me in the long term, I think, because I understand, like, I understand real life. | ||
| I understand why people go into debt. | ||
| I understand how hard it is for people who are poor and working class To get out of that. | ||
| Like, what a lot of people on the right don't understand is that class still is a real thing in North America. | ||
| It's not as overt or as visible or as extreme as it is in third world countries. | ||
| But it's still real. | ||
| I mean, if you are born poor and working class, it's not that it's impossible to get out of it. | ||
| You can, and lots of people do, and that's incredible. | ||
| But you're challenged in so many different ways, mentally and in terms of systemic barriers, you know, being able to get a degree, for example, and having the kind of credit that you need to take out loans to, you know, buy property, get a house, so on and so forth. | ||
| But there's like a mental barrier that I experienced because I thought, I'm working class. | ||
| I'm always going to be working class. | ||
| I don't understand money. | ||
| I don't understand capitalism. | ||
| I think this is partly to do with my politics also, I'll say that. | ||
| Like, I don't know... | ||
| I don't know how to make money. | ||
| I don't know how to save money. | ||
| I don't have, like, business sense. | ||
| And I was... | ||
| I limited myself in that way. | ||
| Because I just thought... | ||
| I was like, I'm never going to be able to own property. | ||
| Like, I'm never going to be able to afford to buy a house. | ||
| So whatever. | ||
| Like, so I'm just going to... | ||
| Work at, you know, making $50,000 a year and pay my rent and that's the end of that. | ||
| And I think that people who come from money see money as an option. | ||
| It's accessible to them. | ||
| So I think that they might work harder to make more money and to, you know, invest and to save and to... | ||
| Well, they also have examples of people who've done it, so they can see it happening. | ||
| And they see a path, too. | ||
| If you have an uncle that started a business and became successful, you go, oh, I see how to do it. | ||
| I mean, and I knew when I was a kid, I knew when I was a teenager, and this is still true now, that a lot of people who own houses and properties, that's because they had family money. | ||
| You know, their parents put their down payment down for them. | ||
| So if you don't have that, I don't have that. | ||
| So I was like, how am I, like, what, am I going to save up $30,000, like, for a down payment? | ||
| Yeah, the term working class, one of the things that bugs me about it is it's one of those things that gets used often as a cheap political ploy. | ||
| Like, we're here for the working class. | ||
| And then people, you need to support the working class. | ||
| That's what drives me nuts about it, because it's this weird sort of categorization of people. | ||
| Because it does classify people in almost an inescapable little tomb. | ||
| You're the working class. | ||
| You're part of the working class. | ||
| What the fuck does that even mean? | ||
| Like, are you talking about people that are struggling to pay their bills? | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| Well, that's the majority of people. | ||
| That's the majority of people. | ||
| And oftentimes, what we consider not the working class, people are such knuckleheads that if they make $400,000 a year, they spend $399, you know, and they become the working class. | ||
| They have a lot of other stuff that they have to pay for. | ||
| You just called me a knucklehead. | ||
| Is that you? | ||
| I mean, I didn't make that much money, but... | ||
| I'm like, oh shit, there's money in my bank account. | ||
| But you know what I'm saying? | ||
| The thing about the idea of the working class is that people are struggling. | ||
| And I totally get that. | ||
| I totally understand that. | ||
| And I do think that we need to protect those people. | ||
| That's why I'm in favor of universal basic healthcare, of universal healthcare. | ||
| And that's why I'm in favor of social safety nets. | ||
| That's why I'm in favor of... | ||
| Community programs and making things more accessible to people. | ||
| And definitely I'm in favor of at least reducing the burden of the cost of education in a massive way. | ||
| Maybe lift the barrier to entry to education. | ||
| Make it harder to get in in terms of the output that you have to put forward. | ||
| Make it difficult to get in. | ||
| But make it so that when you get in, once you're in there, You know, there's going to be community colleges that you can go to. | ||
| There's going to be places you can go to if you're not going to be able to make it to a university. | ||
| But the idea that you should be $150,000 in debt and that it's $200,000 after years and years of interest accumulating is crazy. | ||
| And you can't get out of it. | ||
| That's crazy. | ||
| That's a sick industry. | ||
| It's a sick industry and it captures so many fucking people. | ||
| It really does. | ||
| It's crippling. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| And I totally agree with you. | ||
| I support all of those things too. | ||
| So it makes you a lefty. | ||
| See what I'm saying? | ||
| Well, I mean, I think part of this, again, is that I don't want to categorize myself as anything because then you get stuck in these boxes and it's like, well, you're a leftist, so you have to support Black Lives Matter. | ||
| You're a leftist, so you have to believe women. | ||
| You're a leftist, so you have to, you know, want to open the borders. | ||
| You want to abolish the police. | ||
| Blah, blah, blah, blah, blah. | ||
| That's what I don't want. | ||
| And I don't want to be trapped in any category or ideology. | ||
| I support practical ways to help people. | ||
| So if these policies work to help people, then I support them. | ||
| If there's different policies that are categorized as right wing that help people, that are better, that are more effective, then I'll support those policies. | ||
| That's what I mean. | ||
| And also, you know, what the left has become is totally different than what the left used to be. | ||
| I don't believe that the left supports the working class or cares about the working class. | ||
| I think that the left is caught up in... | ||
| I think that the left consists of middle and upper class people who don't know any poor people, who don't know any marginalized people, who don't know working class people, who don't know... | ||
| As these groups and categories that exist in their head. | ||
| And I say this because I'm from Vancouver. | ||
| I lived in Vancouver my entire life. | ||
| And Vancouver is a very left wing place. | ||
| All of my friends were left wing. | ||
| I didn't have a single right wing friend. | ||
| I didn't know any right wing people. | ||
| I barely even knew like any religious people. | ||
| I knew a whole bunch of people who were like me. | ||
| Do you have right wing friends now? | ||
| Yeah, I think so. | ||
| I've met basically since I was kicked off Twitter. | ||
| That was a blessing in disguise in some ways. | ||
| For people who don't know you, for people who didn't listen to the other episode. | ||
| I met Megan because I was outraged and I brought up your case in the conversation with Jack Dorsey. | ||
| I brought it up multiple times in the podcast because you were kicked off Twitter for life for saying a man can never be a woman, which is madness. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| Men aren't women is what I said. | ||
| Apparently men are allowed to say that. | ||
| Matt Walsh is allowed to say that. | ||
| I'm not allowed to say that. | ||
| What do you mean? | ||
| Like, after I got kicked off of Twitter, I saw right-wing men on Twitter saying the same things that I've said. | ||
| Then they weren't kicked off of Twitter. | ||
| And I think that's because... | ||
| Were you in a conversation with a trans person when you said that? | ||
| Not that I'm aware of. | ||
| I don't know who was in the conversation. | ||
| It was part of a thread. | ||
| And it wasn't like I was saying to somebody, you're not a woman. | ||
| It was in response to a tweet that was sort of confusing and me saying, but men aren't women though. | ||
| What was the... | ||
| Do you remember what the... | ||
| I don't remember what the context is. | ||
| There was like three tweets. | ||
| But also, I believe that Twitter was going after me specifically because I was speaking critically about gender identity ideology and because I was asking these kinds of questions. | ||
| I don't think that it was specifically because of these tweets. | ||
| I think they took those tweets as an excuse. | ||
| I think they were trying to get rid of me and then they're like, Okay, that's hateful. | ||
| And when you say they, it's probably just some moderator. | ||
| It's probably someone who has a subjective opinion about what you say and whether or not you should say it. | ||
| And that's a problem generally that a lot of people have with the censorship that's on social media, Twitter in particular. | ||
| You know, one of the weird things that's happening now with Elon Musk buying Twitter or attempting to buy Twitter, they've done something different. | ||
| And one of the things they've done different is I gained, now it's 900,000 followers in the month or so. | ||
|
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What? | |
| Yes. | ||
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Yes. | |
| I mean, a lot of people really like you, so maybe 900,000 more people were like, I've decided I love Joe Rogan. | ||
| I think I was in a box. | ||
| I think I was restricted in some way. | ||
| Well, Megyn Kelly said the same thing. | ||
| Did you hear her say that? | ||
| She said she gained a lot. | ||
| She gained a ton. | ||
| Like 100,000 or, I don't remember the number, but a lot. | ||
| Something's going on. | ||
| Like, it was really noticeable, and so she was like, she's like, I'm pretty sure Twitter was, you know, messing around with my account. | ||
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Yeah. | |
| Yeah, I think so. | ||
| I think something was going on. | ||
| I mean, I'm just guessing. | ||
| The other option could be the bots that I've gained 900,000 bots. | ||
| But every time I look, it's like another 100,000. | ||
| It's crazy. | ||
| It grows faster than anything. | ||
| And Instagram is the opposite. | ||
| Instagram seems to have hit the brakes on me. | ||
| Oh, yeah? | ||
| Somewhere around six months ago, something happened. | ||
| It seems like it's slowed down growth a lot. | ||
| I don't check it too much, so I might be wrong. | ||
| Maybe it's something they've done with their algorithm, where they prefer videos over photographs now, which I think they do. | ||
| They're trying to go more video, I believe. | ||
| I read that. | ||
| That's where the viral effect really takes place, and I see with my kids, with TikTok. | ||
| You know, I have one daughter who's a heavy TikToker. | ||
| Oh, yeah. | ||
| She's always doing dances with her friends. | ||
| Never been on TikTok and don't really understand how it works. | ||
| Well, you're not 14. That's true. | ||
| But little girls, they get together and they do dances and they like to, like, memorize dances and sync it to music. | ||
| And then they're watching all these other people TikTok and doing all these other... | ||
| And it's like TikTok just... | ||
| Hits you with video after video after video and they just get you hooked. | ||
| You open that app up and it's like you're already like, oh, movement. | ||
| Things are happening. | ||
| And this is what they're trying to do, I believe, with Instagram. | ||
| I think so, too. | ||
| And I did. | ||
| I've read that. | ||
| I don't get it because I hate watching videos on Instagram and I hate watching videos on my phone in general. | ||
| Because I'm an old person, I guess. | ||
| Like, I'm like, if I want to watch a video, I want to look at a big screen. | ||
| Like, I'll watch stuff on my laptop, but I hate, I don't like reading stuff. | ||
| I don't like using my phone. | ||
| I don't even like texting on my phone, to be honest. | ||
| Like, I text on my laptop. | ||
| But, I mean, I sort of think that Instagram messes with me a little bit, too. | ||
| They refuse to verify my account. | ||
| I've tried, like, five times. | ||
| How many followers do you have? | ||
| 14,000? | ||
| No, sorry. | ||
| Is that right? | ||
| What's the number that you think? | ||
| Who cares? | ||
| I don't want to pretend like I don't give a shit, because I do give a shit, but not that big of a shit. | ||
| Is there a number that you have to reach before they'll verify you? | ||
| Oh, I went up to 14.3k today from two. | ||
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Congratulations. | |
| Thank you. | ||
| But I just felt like my posts were getting less traction all of a sudden, and they were no different than what I'd been posting before. | ||
| Yeah, I don't know what that is. | ||
| Like, that could just be coincidental. | ||
| But I know some people have definitely been fucked with. | ||
| And, you know, wasn't there a football player who complained a lot about it, Jamie? | ||
| And then eventually he got let out of Instagram jail? | ||
| Why does he need a, like, he's a football player. | ||
| Like, what does he need an Instagram account for? | ||
| I need an Instagram account because it's how I make a living. | ||
| Well, he does too. | ||
| That's how you get sponsors. | ||
| When you're a football player, you have to get sponsorships. | ||
| Oh, if you have lots of followers. | ||
| Okay, fine. | ||
| Fine. | ||
| I'm sorry, football player. | ||
| I like sports. | ||
| Well, you think about it. | ||
| I mean, if you have a large following, like a Tom Brady, I mean, God, how many sponsors does he have? | ||
| Oh, okay. | ||
| You know what I mean? | ||
| That's an amazing way to make an income. | ||
| You don't need an Instagram account to throw a ball. | ||
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No. | |
| You need it for Gatorade and Nike and all the car sponsors and all kinds of different things. | ||
| When those guys have a large following, that's very valuable. | ||
| Which is really an interesting thing. | ||
| It's like, what is social media for? | ||
| Are you using it as a business or are you using it to be social? | ||
| Are you just having fun and expressing yourself or are you using it to maximize your brand, air quotes? | ||
| I mean, I don't brand. | ||
| I swear to God I don't. | ||
| I'm obviously a very authentic person. | ||
| I believe you. | ||
| I just, I mean, I have to use social media for work because I work for myself, so it's the only way I can get what I produce out into the world, and that's how I make an income. | ||
| Almost solely through individual donations. | ||
| So people who send me donations through my website, or they sign up to my Patreon, or they pay for a subscription on Substack, which I haven't put anything behind a paywall, so people can just choose to pay or not, so I just appreciate it if people pay because it's how I make an income. | ||
| But I don't have... | ||
| There's no institution. | ||
| It's kind of pure. | ||
| It's very pure in a way. | ||
| But I also, I would not really, I don't think I would have a public Instagram account if I hadn't been, I didn't start a public Instagram account until I was kicked off of Twitter. | ||
| Like, I have to do that. | ||
| I don't love spending a bunch of time on social media. | ||
| Did you enjoy Twitter, though, when you were on it? | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| I'm like, I don't know why everybody complains about Twitter all the time, because I really like Twitter. | ||
| Have you tried to get back on? | ||
| Because I know some people that were banned before, they tried to get back on, they got back on. | ||
| I appealed twice since... | ||
| Recently? | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| So since Elon Musk announced that he was going to buy Twitter, we'll see if that actually goes through or not. | ||
| They just gave in to one of his demands. | ||
| Oh, did they? | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| They just released... | ||
| See if you can find what the article says. | ||
| But essentially, he said unless they give him access to data so he can find out how many of these accounts are fake. | ||
| Right. | ||
| Because his take on it was like, if you were going to buy something and you were buying it under the assumption that, okay, here it goes. | ||
| Twitter set to turn bot data over to Musk. | ||
| Alright, so this says that Twitter's board is reportedly set to pull an about-face offering Elon Musk internal data on hundreds of millions of tweets as advice for the billionaire to complete his acquisition of the social media company. | ||
| Twitter set to turn over information to Musk capturing more than 500 million tweets. | ||
| The device the post came from and other information about the account holders The Washington Post reported Wednesday citing an unnamed person familiar with the matter. | ||
| Such a move would help respond to Musk's repeated demands for more information about the composition of Twitter's user base and the extent of its problem with bots. | ||
| Musk has challenged Twitter's claims that just 5% of its accounts are bots. | ||
| Calling the way the company calculates fake accounts very suspicious in a May tweet. | ||
| So I'm really interested to see how this plays out because he is what he would describe as a free speech absolutist. | ||
| And I think that that is something that people are reluctant to agree is a good thing because they're worried about the negative aspects of free speech. | ||
| You know, they're worried about assholes and, you know, and trolls and all that stuff. | ||
| Toughen up. | ||
| And I'm not joking. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| I was calling myself a free speech absolutist for a while, and then I interviewed Michael Salina, who's with the Founders Fund, and he organized Hereticon, which was Mm-hmm. | ||
| A conference that I went to in Miami in January that was like amazing. | ||
| It was basically like a wrong think conference. | ||
| Was it good? | ||
| It was amazing. | ||
| Yeah? | ||
| It was awesome. | ||
| Do you smoke cigars? | ||
| No. | ||
| You want one? | ||
| No. | ||
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Okay. | |
| I'll choke. | ||
| I want more racia though. | ||
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Okay. | |
| I used to, I smoked cigarettes from the time I was 13 until 21. You got your ACS right next to you. | ||
| Well, I want to open a different one because I want you to try this one. | ||
| Will you try some more or no? | ||
| It's nasty. | ||
| Dude, this one is good. | ||
| I swear to God. | ||
| Okay, listen. | ||
| If you don't like this one... | ||
| Well, I already said I'd give up on you if you don't like this one. | ||
| Look at how beautiful the label is in any case. | ||
| It's a nice bottle. | ||
| It's a real pretty poison. | ||
| Okay, well, I'm going to have more. | ||
| Go ahead. | ||
| I love the smell of cigars and I've always wished that I could, but I don't know how to not inhale, so I choke. | ||
| Because I treat it like a cigarette. | ||
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Do you smoke cigarettes? | |
| Well, I quit when I was 21. And I hate cigarettes now. | ||
| But I quit when I was 21, which was good timing because that was around the same time when all the bars started not letting you smoke inside. | ||
| I used to go to the bar and drink beer and smoke cigarettes inside the bar. | ||
| The good old days. | ||
| I used to like common clubs to be smoky. | ||
| Can you imagine? | ||
| Ew. | ||
| Now? | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| In Mexico, like in Sayulita, where I live, you can smoke anywhere you want. | ||
| And I take it because I love Sayulita and I love freedom of Mexico and I love that there's no rules. | ||
| But when I leave the bar and I wake up the next day coughing, my hair stinks, my clothes stink. | ||
| You're probably catching a buzz, though. | ||
| Probably. | ||
| So many people smoke there. | ||
| It's crazy. | ||
| And coming from somewhere like Vancouver that's a super healthy place. | ||
| See, it smells so good. | ||
| I really like it, but I can't do it. | ||
| I get it. | ||
| I get it. | ||
| And you're not going to peer pressure me into this. | ||
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I'm not even trying. | |
| No, I'm joking. | ||
| Notice. | ||
| Notice I haven't tried. | ||
| That was a joke. | ||
| I know. | ||
| Aren't you a comedian? | ||
|
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Yeah. | |
| I went along with it. | ||
| Didn't you see? | ||
| Yeah. | ||
|
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Okay. | |
| I went along with your joke. | ||
| Thank you. | ||
| I appreciate that. | ||
| You used to be able to smoke in Dallas, like up until like fairly recently. | ||
| Because I remember the Addison Improv, which is a club I love. | ||
| It's a suburb of Dallas. | ||
| They had smoking shows. | ||
| And I want to say it was in the 2000s. | ||
| I don't know when they stopped doing it. | ||
| Interesting. | ||
| Like, okay. | ||
| Well, actually, no. | ||
| Sorry, I should speak into the microphone. | ||
| I know about this. | ||
| I know how mics work. | ||
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Yeah. | |
| Well, I've had, like, the last podcast that I did with you, I saw online a ton of people being like, ah, Megan got drunk. | ||
| And I'm like, dude, I had two drinks. | ||
| Do you know how many drinks... | ||
| Do you know how much Racia I drink? | ||
| Like, if I go out to, like, party, like, I'm like, I'm going out... | ||
| I drink like, I don't know, like 11 or 12 shots of ricea. | ||
| Do you drink 11 or 12 shots of ricea? | ||
| Dude, I can drink so much ricea. | ||
| It's crazy. | ||
| I don't even know how. | ||
| This is like once a week. | ||
| This is not... | ||
| I mean, maybe that sounds like... | ||
| It's not every day. | ||
| 12 shots! | ||
| And I go through it really... | ||
| I go through it real fast. | ||
| Sometimes I have to switch to whiskey so that I slow down because I can't drink whiskey as fast as I can drink ricea. | ||
| That doesn't make any sense either. | ||
| No, none of it makes sense to me. | ||
| But so I think in Vancouver, so when I was 21, that would have been like 2001. And that was around the same time, I think... | ||
| They were cutting out smoking in bars probably around 99, 2000, around that time. | ||
| And before that, there were still restaurants and cafes with smoking sections, which was no different from the other section. | ||
| And yeah, you could go to bars and clubs and smoke. | ||
| I would always come home with cigarette burns on my fingers and holes in my mesh tank tops. | ||
| I remember that in restaurants. | ||
| Cigarette sections, smoking sections of restaurants. | ||
| And it's just not that chair, but that chair. | ||
| And not ventilation that's set up to really filter things out very well either. | ||
| Vegas is set up pretty well. | ||
| Vegas you can still smoke indoors, can't you? | ||
| This is real smooth, Joe. | ||
| I really think you should try it. | ||
| This is real smooth, she says. | ||
| She's such a crackhead. | ||
| Please believe me. | ||
| It is. | ||
| Like this, I was like, yeah. | ||
| Oh my god, Megan. | ||
| It's not smooth. | ||
| It's nasty. | ||
| This one is not smooth. | ||
| That one is... | ||
| Well, you fucked up. | ||
| She started me off with a good one. | ||
| There's still time. | ||
| We'll get there. | ||
| I'm a proponent of you having the ability to do whatever you want. | ||
| The problem is the people that work there. | ||
| If you're smoking, there's so many cases of people that are waiters or waitresses in a bar and they get cancer from lungs and they don't smoke. | ||
| It's horrible. | ||
| I can't imagine having to work in those bars and clubs or work on airplanes when everybody's smoking on the airplane. | ||
| That's the craziest thing. | ||
| You're in a fucking... | ||
| That I'm not old enough for that, but that's strange. | ||
| What year did that stop? | ||
| I want to say that stopped in the 90s, right? | ||
| Really? | ||
| I don't know. | ||
| I mean, I'm trying to think of when I was first on a plane. | ||
| I don't know. | ||
| I think Dice Clay used to have a bit about it. | ||
| Maybe earlier than that. | ||
| Probably, I mean, so they were still doing it in the 80s, you think? | ||
| It had to be late 80s, because I think Dice had a bit about it in like 89 or 90s. | ||
| You're in a fucking tube! | ||
| He had this whole bit about a section. | ||
| He's like, what? | ||
| We're breathing the same fucking air! | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| I mean, I don't like it, and I think that it is unfair to impose that on employees who have to be there. | ||
| Yeah, that's the problem. | ||
| The problem is the people that work. | ||
| It's a workplace environment safety issue. | ||
| But, you know, if you have a social club that doesn't have employees, you know, like there's places that set up, they set up places as social clubs so that they can get around certain rules. | ||
| Okay, because it's like a private space. | ||
| Like cigar bars. | ||
| Cigar bars have that kind of set up, you know. | ||
| Or like hookah lounges. | ||
| Is that similar? | ||
| I've never... | ||
| Interesting. | ||
| I've never tried a... | ||
| A hookah? | ||
| I'm like, a hookah? | ||
| It's good. | ||
| It's good. | ||
| What's the point? | ||
| I don't get it. | ||
| You get a head rush. | ||
| Wild tobacco head rush. | ||
| Like a head rush, like nausea. | ||
| That's what, if I try to smoke a cigarette now, because every once in a while, in general I find it gross, but every once in a while I'll be like, there'll be a cigarette smell that appeals to me for some reason. | ||
| It probably smells like my Du Maurier ultralight king size that I used to smoke when I was 17. And I'm like, I want to try a cigarette. | ||
| And then I'm like, ugh, that was fucking disgusting. | ||
| And now my mouth tastes like an ashtray. | ||
| And it makes me feel ill. | ||
| Like, I was lucky about quitting smoking because when I started smoking less, the cigarette started making me feel sick. | ||
| So if I would have a cigarette, I would feel sick. | ||
| Like, it was not hard. | ||
| I wasn't like... | ||
| Oh lord, I love smoking cigarettes so much. | ||
| I think I just smoked cigarettes because I was like a teenager and I was nervous and wanted to fit in. | ||
| Right, yeah. | ||
| It's interesting that you could down 11 shots of Roycea and that doesn't make you feel ill. | ||
| And a cigarette would make you feel ill. | ||
| I sip the shots. | ||
| Yeah, but you're fucking 11 of them. | ||
| They have to get down eventually. | ||
| I'm a very strong... | ||
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You're robust. | |
| I come from robust Irish stock. | ||
| That's what it is. | ||
| It's the Irish stock. | ||
| Totally. | ||
| Yeah, it has to be. | ||
| I mean, it's a really great skill. | ||
| I appreciate it. | ||
| I would be so sad if I had, like, two shots of ricey and was like, woo, gotta go to bed. | ||
| Well, it's weird how it is genetic in that some people of certain ancestry, they don't have a historical, you know, there's not like a lot of history of their ancestors drinking alcohol, and they struggle with it, whereas Irish people generally, well, you know, but there are a lot of Irish alcoholics, but they can put it down better for whatever reason. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| I mean, you also have to know how to drink. | ||
| Like, I... I don't do shots. | ||
| Like, I wouldn't go to the bar and do a tequila shot, because I don't want to get wasted and black out. | ||
| Like, I want to keep going until 5am, so you gotta... | ||
| What is the appeal of drinking to you? | ||
| Like, what is that thing? | ||
| This is an interesting question and I've thought about this a lot. | ||
| I have. | ||
| I think about it all the time. | ||
| Because I don't love drugs. | ||
| Do you like pot? | ||
| No. | ||
| Not at all? | ||
| Nope. | ||
| I don't like it. | ||
| I tried for many years to smoke weed and it's not for me. | ||
| It makes me... | ||
| I don't like the feeling of being high. | ||
| I'm sorry. | ||
| I know that's a strange thing to say. | ||
| We've had this conversation three times today. | ||
| You don't have to like what I like. | ||
| This is the kind of podcast where you come on and you agree with everything I say or you're out and you're never coming back. | ||
| What is it about? | ||
| Is it the paranoia? | ||
| Yeah, I feel paranoid. | ||
| I can't socialize. | ||
| I get super self-conscious. | ||
| So if I smoke weed, I have to stay home and lie on the couch and watch TV and eat candy, and that's not what I want to do in my life. | ||
| I want to be out and socializing, or I want to be productive. | ||
| I want to be able to work, and I can't do any of those things. | ||
| And I don't like the not knowing when it's going to end. | ||
| I don't like mushrooms, because I'm like, okay, this was fun for five minutes, and now... | ||
| I feel weird and I don't have any control over this. | ||
| I think I want to be in control. | ||
| I don't like MDMA. It doesn't do what it does to a lot of other people. | ||
| It makes me feel antisocial and I want to go sit in a corner and then wait for it to be done. | ||
| I think I like drinking because it's social. | ||
| I like going out with my friends and laughing and being stupid and talking about stupid things and doing karaoke and getting loose and wild and... | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| And I work a lot. | ||
| Like, I think people think I'm on vacation all the time because I moved to a vacation town and probably I post a lot of vacation-y looking photos. | ||
| But I work, you know, five or six days a week. | ||
| Like, I work until 2am. | ||
| Like, if I'm working, I wake up at noon, mind you. | ||
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But I... It's not that bad. | |
| The grind continues as the alarm goes off of people eating lunch. | ||
| It's almost dark. | ||
| Is this because you're up late writing? | ||
| Yeah, like I work until 2am and then you're wired because you've been working so then I like watch a show. | ||
| I do my best writing at night. | ||
| Yeah, I write at 10 p.m. | ||
| And then I'll try to unwind, so I'll watch a show. | ||
| So I end up getting to bed at like 3, 4 a.m. | ||
| if I'm working. | ||
| Which makes sense. | ||
| You wake up at noon. | ||
| Yeah, and I need eight or nine hours of sleep. | ||
| I honestly do. | ||
| If I get less than that, I feel like shit. | ||
| My brain doesn't work. | ||
| My job is brain-related. | ||
| I have to be able to function. | ||
| I eat badly. | ||
| I don't want to work out. | ||
| If I'm tired, my day is fucked. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| Most people eat badly if they don't get sleep. | ||
| Isn't that interesting? | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| It's like you crave junk food. | ||
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Bad food, yeah. | |
| You crave sugar and white bread. | ||
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Mm-hmm. | |
| Yeah. | ||
| So it's just, yeah, it's bad all around. | ||
| There's some sort of a reason for that. | ||
| They've isolated some reason for why people make poor decisions with food when they're tired. | ||
| Yeah, I'm sure there is because it's always been like that for me. | ||
| When I had an office job and I had to be at work at 8 in the morning or whatever, I would spend the whole day drinking sugar coffees and then I'd want a cookie and I'd buy some pastry thing at the cafe. | ||
| I guess it's your body trying to keep you up. | ||
| And I don't really eat that stuff very often now. | ||
| It kind of kills your judgment, too. | ||
| There's something about it. | ||
| It kills your ability to make good decisions. | ||
| Yeah, I feel like office life is so unhealthy. | ||
| I think it works for some people. | ||
| For me, it made me super depressed. | ||
| I felt tired all the time. | ||
| I ate badly. | ||
| And I would get to Friday and be so done that I'd be like, go party! | ||
| And then you party all weekend, and you get to Sunday night, and you're depressed, and you have to go back to work again. | ||
| Well, here's the thing that people are pushing back against a lot is the idea of doing remote office work. | ||
| There's a lot of people that feel like they're more productive at home, and then there's a lot of other people who feel like their employees need to be in the office because that's the only way they can keep track of whether or not they're being effective or whether or not they're actually working. | ||
| One of the things we found out during the pandemic is how many guys jerk off while they're on Zoom calls. | ||
| Why are men so stupid, honestly? | ||
| Sorry. | ||
| They're addicted. | ||
| They're addicted to jerking off? | ||
| Yeah, they're addicted to porn. | ||
| Is it that they're looking at... | ||
| Oh, they're looking at porn. | ||
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Yeah. | |
| Gross. | ||
| Yeah, I think it's... | ||
| They're also... | ||
| I'm like, why are you getting horny on a Zoom call? | ||
| Yeah, it's not even horny. | ||
| It's like addict behavior. | ||
| That's what that is. | ||
| If you're a disciplined person and you're working, you should be working. | ||
| You're working. | ||
| You're on a Zoom call. | ||
| But I think that whatever work is so fucking boring, they're not really connected to it. | ||
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So like, I'm just going to mute my camera over here and whack one off real quick. | |
| And maybe they think it's exciting to be able to jerk off while other people are talking. | ||
| Like if it's risk-taking behavior. | ||
| Yeah, yeah, yeah. | ||
| It's like secret and the bad and the shame and it's all wrapped up in that. | ||
| Yeah, there's something to that. | ||
| But I mean, a lot of people got busted. | ||
| And they keep doing it. | ||
| I mean, guys watch porn at the library, at the public library, and on the plane. | ||
| Which, if I weren't a libertarian now, I'm sort of joking, I don't identify as a libertarian, I would say that should be illegal. | ||
| It's like, you can't watch porn in public. | ||
| Have you seen people watch porn on a plane? | ||
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Really? | |
| No, but I've seen other people see other people watch porn. | ||
| I've seen it on the internet, okay? | ||
| A friend of mine opened his laptop. | ||
| I would be so upset if I saw a man watching porn. | ||
| I don't know what I would do. | ||
| It's not legal, right? | ||
| What are the laws of 30,000 feet? | ||
| Does that count? | ||
| I assumed it was legal. | ||
| What are the laws up there in the sky? | ||
| I don't know if it's illegal to watch porn at the library because men do it. | ||
| I don't think that's legal. | ||
| They might kick them out because they'd be like, you're gross. | ||
| Or if they tried to whip out their genitals. | ||
| Their gender neutral genitals. | ||
| But you know how there's different laws if you're out in the middle of the ocean? | ||
| Okay. | ||
| Is there different laws in space? | ||
| I don't know the answer to this question. | ||
| I wonder if the laws are exactly the same when you're at 30,000 feet. | ||
| That's a good question because where are you still in America or are you in the ocean? | ||
| If you're over the ocean. | ||
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Right. | |
| What is that? | ||
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What laws apply? | |
| Maybe it's up to the business. | ||
| Maybe it's according to American Airlines gets to decide whether or not you're allowed to watch porn on the plane. | ||
| Here it is. | ||
| Although some systems of national law still adhere to the view that ships and aircraft are part of the territory of the state, the nationality of which they possess, this is merely a crude metaphor. | ||
| In international law, a distinction has been made between three types of state jurisdiction, territorial jurisdiction over national territory, and all persons and things therein. | ||
| Quasi-territorial jurisdiction over national ships and aircraft and all persons and things thereon, and personal jurisdiction over all other nationals and all persons under a state's protection as well as their property. | ||
| In case of conflict, territorial jurisdiction overrides quasi-territorial jurisdiction and personal jurisdiction, while quasi-territorial jurisdiction overrides personal jurisdiction. | ||
| Okay, so there's like tiers. | ||
| Okay. | ||
| Territorial jurisdiction over national territory. | ||
| But that does mean that in cases of conflict, that territorial jurisdiction overrides it. | ||
| So that means that if you are over the United States of America, that is territorial jurisdiction. | ||
| Because it's territorial. | ||
| So like when you're in the ocean, that makes sense. | ||
| It's nobody's. | ||
| Which is really kind of interesting, right? | ||
| It's like we allow people to own everything, but you can't own the ocean. | ||
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Yeah. | |
| Yeah, I mean, technically you're not allowed to own a beach. | ||
| In Canada, anyway. | ||
| Is that true in the U.S. too? | ||
| It is, right? | ||
| Is it? | ||
| But you can buy up all the property close to the beach and then build a fence so that people can't get through. | ||
| My parents live on a small Gulf island, and I went to... | ||
| In BC and on these islands, you can go to beaches and there's nobody else there. | ||
| It's awesome. | ||
| It's super beautiful. | ||
| Forests are beautiful. | ||
| Mountains are beautiful. | ||
| Blah, blah, blah. | ||
| But I went to this one beach and there's a path down to the beach and it says no trespassing private property, but it's like, well, it's a beach. | ||
| I'm going to go to the beach. | ||
| And so we're down at the beach and the chick who owns the property comes down and is like... | ||
| You know, like, you're not allowed, like, you're basically, you're allowed to come to the beach via a boat, but you're not allowed to walk down her path to the beach. | ||
| So she's essentially created a private beach. | ||
| She's like, how did you get here? | ||
| Like, you guys aren't allowed to walk through this place. | ||
| And we're like, oh no, we're just gonna swim back. | ||
| Yeah, it's weird. | ||
| People don't own the beach, but you do own everything above high tide. | ||
| You can own above high tide. | ||
| That's how it is in Malibu. | ||
| So I have a friend who has a place in Malibu, and he was telling me that his sons were surfing, and they were in this area, and this guy didn't know that they were his sons. | ||
| So the guy comes out and starts screaming and yelling at them. | ||
| They get the fuck off the beach. | ||
| And he got mad at the guy, and then there's this conflict, and the guy realized, oh, you live here, okay, these are your sons. | ||
| But you're not allowed to yell at people to surf. | ||
| Because they were laughing and surfing in front of this guy's house. | ||
| So he thought, because he spent $10 million on this house, he should be able to tell people, you can't surf in front of my house. | ||
| But there's been cases in Malibu where they hire private security. | ||
| I think it's called Billionaire's Beach, like Carbon Beach. | ||
| These people that have all this money buy these houses and then they hire private security to kick people off the beach. | ||
| But they can't. | ||
| You're not allowed to. | ||
| So then there's lawsuits where people sue the people who kick them off the beach. | ||
| And I don't know how they resolve that. | ||
| But I know it's ongoing and technically the people that are the beachgoers are correct. | ||
| You can't keep people off the beach. | ||
| It's everybody's. | ||
| Yeah, it's just the getting there part that is technically illegal. | ||
| But of course these people do feel entitled and they're like, this is my private beach. | ||
| Like, what are you doing on my private beach? | ||
| If you want to buy a fucking place and you want to buy a place that's on the water, that is what comes with the territory. | ||
| It's the ocean! | ||
| People can camp out right in front of your fucking house. | ||
| People can do whatever they want with the ocean. | ||
| Like, you don't get to own that. | ||
| The problem is if you have a bedroom and you like to keep your windows open so you can hear the waves crashing and you have people right below you and they're fucking partying, playing shitty music. | ||
| Too bad, bro. | ||
| That's what you get for being rich. | ||
| Wow. | ||
| I'm joking. | ||
| I hope to be rich someday. | ||
| What is this, Jamie? | ||
| I just picked that beach. | ||
| Is that Carbon Beach? | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| See, that's beautiful. | ||
| But I think where the people aren't allowed to go is wherever high tide is. | ||
| So I think high tide is like right up to there. | ||
| So when that area, like walking on the beach, anybody can go there. | ||
| They can go there, they can play, they can fuck around. | ||
| But I think above that, it's supposed to be theirs, the person who's in front of the beach, which is like still kind of fucked. | ||
| This is so strange looking to me because I've not seen... | ||
| This isn't a thing in BC where the houses on the beach are just stacked up like townhouses. | ||
| Oh, they're right next to each other. | ||
| If you have a place on the beach on the island, it's going to be in the forest and you have acreage and... | ||
| Well, Malibu's a weird spot like that because there's so much money. | ||
| And these people are so rich and they're stuffed right next to each other. | ||
| It's real weird. | ||
| It seems unpleasant to me. | ||
| I rented a house there once because my kitchen was getting redone and it wasn't bad because you don't notice that people are there because it's so loud. | ||
| You hear it's whoosh, whoosh. | ||
| You hear the water crashing against the rocks and everything all day long, and it really is beautiful. | ||
| Like in the morning, I would eat breakfast. | ||
| We were only there for a couple of months, but I would eat breakfast in the morning, and the way we were at, we were on this place that had like a deck, and the water was almost under the deck. | ||
| So when you sit there eating breakfast, it's like you're on the water. | ||
| I was like, oh, this is nice. | ||
| It does sound nice. | ||
| It's nice. | ||
| Like, this is terrible. | ||
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It's nice. | |
| Oh, it's so nice. | ||
| I would never want this. | ||
| But that, to me, it's a very specific thing. | ||
| Like, the kind of, like, what I like. | ||
| I like to be, like, almost in the water. | ||
| Almost in the water is beautiful. | ||
| Because I got to look out and I was seeing, like, dolphins. | ||
| I was watching, like, seagulls swim around and shit and fly over here. | ||
| I'm like, This is nice. | ||
| Being near the ocean is the best. | ||
| I mean, where did you grow up? | ||
| Well, I grew up all over the place. | ||
| I was born in New Jersey, but I only lived there until I was 7. I lived in San Francisco from 7 to 11. And then I lived in Florida from 11 to 13. And then I lived in Boston for the rest of the time. | ||
| I was born in Vancouver and grew up in Vancouver, so I was always near the beach. | ||
| We did a lot of camping. | ||
| I always swam. | ||
| I would bike to Kitt's Pool every day all summer, which is right on the ocean. | ||
| And now, the idea of, I live in a beach town now, I would never live somewhere, or I think I would feel almost depressed living somewhere where there was no ocean, or I would feel trapped. | ||
| It's almost like a claustrophobic feeling. | ||
| And lakes don't cut it. | ||
| It can't just be a body of water. | ||
| It has to be the ocean that I can see and access. | ||
| That's what you like? | ||
| And I don't even go in the ocean. | ||
| Well, in Sayulita... | ||
| I mean, I did in Vancouver. | ||
| Like, I have been in the ocean, but it's not like in Sayulita. | ||
| Like, I don't go to the beach in Sayulita. | ||
| No? | ||
| Partly because I'm inside my house until it gets dark. | ||
| But, like, I don't want to... | ||
| I'm not, like, a lie-out-in-the-sun kind of person. | ||
| I'm pale. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| I have a spray tan right now, so that's why I'm looking so... | ||
| I probably look almost like a normal human being. | ||
| You're many degrees lighter than me even with your spray tan. | ||
| I know. | ||
| That's part of the joke. | ||
| But I'm not going to go loud in the sun because I'm just going to get skin damage and sweat. | ||
| I work in the day. | ||
| I was saying before, I work a lot. | ||
| If I wake up, I'm working until 2 a.m. | ||
| Every day except for Thursdays because that's karaoke night. | ||
| I need to go see you do karaoke. | ||
| I'm not very good, but I really like it. | ||
| I think that's part of the fun of karaoke is sucking at it. | ||
| I mean, it's not fun if everybody's good. | ||
| You're supposed to be bad and yell. | ||
| It's kind of sad when they are good. | ||
| Well, yeah, it's sad if people take it seriously, is what's sad. | ||
| It's sad if they take it seriously. | ||
| Like, if you're good, but you just happen to be good, and you're still kind of joking around, you're not taking yourself seriously, fine. | ||
| But if you take it really seriously, I think that's embarrassing and depressing. | ||
| It's like an untapped potential thing. | ||
| You're like, this is my skill in life. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| Everybody else here is just here to have fun and, like, scream into the microphone with their friends. | ||
| I mean, it doesn't have to be sad. | ||
| Let me... | ||
| Expand on that. | ||
| It's just sad if that's your moment. | ||
| You know what's sad? | ||
| Unrealized dreams. | ||
| That's what's sad. | ||
| If you really wanted to be a musician, and karaoke is the place where you get to flex your muscles, but then you go back to the factory in the morning. | ||
| That's sad. | ||
| Yeah, where you wanted to be a pop star, like you wanted to be famous. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| And it's sad because you're behaving as though you think that you're more talented than you actually are. | ||
| And I'm not sure if deep down inside you believe it, but you kind of project that. | ||
| Like, I take this really seriously because I'm very good at it and I'm very talented and I can't make a joke about this because that would hurt my ego. | ||
| I don't even know if it's a talent thing. | ||
| With music. | ||
| I know so many talented people now living in Austin. | ||
| Austin is an amazing place to go see live music. | ||
| It's really fucking cool. | ||
| There's so much live music here. | ||
| But what's stunning is you go to these bars and there's like 15 people in and you see this person on stage and they're fucking amazing. | ||
| And you're like... | ||
| But it's the same thing with comedy. | ||
| There's so many amazing comedians who never really made it. | ||
| Right? | ||
| Sort of. | ||
| Comedy today is more accessible. | ||
| Like, comedians make it now more than ever before. | ||
| Talented people, which is great, they get on YouTube, and they put a video up on YouTube, like their own personal thing, and they'll get hundreds of thousands of views, millions of views. | ||
| And do you make money off of that? | ||
| Well, it's not just that. | ||
| It's an advertisement for people to come see you in the clubs. | ||
| That's really what it is. | ||
| All comedy specials are just to let everybody know, hey, this guy's good. | ||
| Hey, look, she's doing it. | ||
| This is it. | ||
| You can watch her do this video and then see her when she's at the local club or the local theater. | ||
| That's what it is. | ||
| And that's more accessible now than ever before because the barrier for entry is not as steep. | ||
| In that, you don't need cooperation. | ||
| A musician needs a band, unless you're acoustic and you just have a guitar, which is a hard grind too, right? | ||
| But if you are a comedian, you just need a comedy club. | ||
| There's so many comedy clubs and everybody's working. | ||
| There's a lot of working comedians now. | ||
| But what does it mean to make it as a comedian? | ||
| Is that your full-time job? | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| Full-time job and to be able to sell out a club. | ||
| Okay. | ||
| I had this conversation with these guys that opened for me the other day. | ||
| I was telling them, I'm like, you've gone over the hump. | ||
| The hardest part is being funny. | ||
| I go, then it's all about continuing to work and continuing to write and continuing to get better and continuing to write new material. | ||
| And then getting aligned with a group of other comedians that can help. | ||
| Because that's a big thing in comedy is people take you on the road with you. | ||
| Like I take these guys on the road with me and I introduce them to the world. | ||
| Like if people come to see me, you're going to come to see me, but you're also going to get to see Tony Hinchcliffe. | ||
| You're also going to get to see Hans Kim. | ||
| You're going to get to see Joey Diaz. | ||
| And through that, these guys have developed careers. | ||
| So now they can go on the road. | ||
| Tony sells out big-ass comedy clubs and theaters, and he kills it when he goes on the road. | ||
| And it's because he did all the right things. | ||
| And he's a perfect example. | ||
| Tony self-produced his own special and then sold it to Netflix. | ||
| He paid for it, did the whole thing. | ||
| Didn't that happen to Chris... | ||
| DiStefano? | ||
| Yeah, I really like him. | ||
| Yeah, he's great. | ||
| He just did his own and then Netflix bought it. | ||
| And Netflix bought it. | ||
| Ari Shaffir did the same thing. | ||
| He made his own special, Netflix bought it, and a lot of people do that. | ||
| It's easier. | ||
| I don't think it's easier to be a great comedian. | ||
| No, that would be so hard. | ||
| It's easier to, if you are a great comedian, it's easier to make a living. | ||
| I have friends that are great musicians that are fucking... | ||
| Just above poverty. | ||
| Yeah, totally. | ||
| I mean, there's lots of people who are great musicians and they have to keep their day job and they do it in their free time for fun, essentially. | ||
| You have to bring people with you. | ||
| You have to have musicians, have to have fucking sound guys, you have to have the drummer and the guitar player and people that carry your stuff, roadies and trucks for all your shit. | ||
| Yeah, but I think, I mean, with musicians and music, it's like being good. | ||
| Like, people aren't going to like your music just because you're good. | ||
| Like, just because you're really talented. | ||
| Just because you're a really good musician, people aren't necessarily going to want to listen to it. | ||
| And that's evidenced by the fact that so many people listen to, like, garbage, crap music. | ||
| Right, but isn't that just human taste? | ||
| Like, people... | ||
| Or no taste. | ||
| I mean... | ||
| When I was younger, I used to think that way. | ||
| I used to think that people who didn't like what I like were idiots, and people who liked things that I hated were morons. | ||
| Oh, did you grow out of that? | ||
| Yeah, I grew out of that. | ||
| Okay, we'll see how I do. | ||
| As I've gotten older, I've looked for less conflict in life at every given opportunity. | ||
| I just try to find less conflict. | ||
| And one of the best ways is to not care what other people like. | ||
| I'm not into mumble rap, but I have friends who love mumble rap. | ||
| They like to smoke weed and listen to mumble rap. | ||
| I'm like, okay. | ||
| I used to be like, what the fuck are you listening to? | ||
| I don't understand a word this guy's saying. | ||
| But now I'm like, okay. | ||
| Okay, I understand that some people like different things than me. | ||
| But I think when it comes to music, like there's some people who I think genuinely just aren't really into music, which offends me because I'm really into music and I love music. | ||
| And people who sort of... | ||
| I feel like there's some people who just turn it on and it's noise and they're like, this is the popular thing. | ||
| I'm just going to listen to it. | ||
| That's what I mean by no taste. | ||
| It's not like people who are... | ||
| I don't have anything against country. | ||
| It's not what I listen to in my spare time, but I totally understand and respect why people like country music. | ||
| And there's some that I like. | ||
| Do you like Sturgill Simpson? | ||
| I don't know who that is. | ||
| Say yes. | ||
| You know what, dude? | ||
| I was watching your podcast the other day and you didn't know who Wilco was. | ||
| I didn't. | ||
| That's weird. | ||
| Why is it weird? | ||
| I know who it is now. | ||
| Wilco's been around for a long time. | ||
| What a great story, though. | ||
| Yeah, beautiful. | ||
| That was a beautiful story. | ||
| Listening to that music on headphones, riding a bike next to wild horses and crying because he was so happy because it was such an amazing moment because the song was playing. | ||
| I think he was buzzed, too. | ||
| He's always drunk. | ||
| He's probably drunk. | ||
| It seems that way. | ||
| I'm worried about him. | ||
| Are you really? | ||
| His face looks like a cherry. | ||
| I was watching- Is he listening right now? | ||
| I hope so. | ||
| I was watching Two Bears, One Cave the other day, and Bert was on with Tom, and Tom looks like a fucking athlete. | ||
| He's lost all this weight, he's fit, he works out twice a day now, and Bert has assumed all of Tom's bad habits and ramped his up as well. | ||
| Why do you think that is? | ||
| I mean, if you don't feel comfortable, you don't have to talk specifically about him, but like, why do you people, like, people who sort of, Who fall into alcoholism or not taking care of themselves. | ||
| And maybe they did at some point and then they just stopped. | ||
| And I say that, like, I'm thinking of people that I know in my head. | ||
| I don't know Bert, so I'm not talking about him. | ||
| But, like, people who are, it's like, you were sort of okay and now you're, like, a daily, like, you get drunk every day. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| I don't know. | ||
| Well, Bert likes to party. | ||
| Well, I love to party, and that's never... | ||
| It's a different kind of party. | ||
| But I do. | ||
| I love drinking. | ||
| I love to party, but I'm super organized about it. | ||
| I'm super... | ||
| I work all these days, and then I can go out Thursday night... | ||
| And I kind of try to, like, fuck off a bit on the weekends just because otherwise I'd work all the time. | ||
| So I try to, like, not check my emails and not go on social media and stuff like that. | ||
| But I still do. | ||
| I often will end up working sometimes on, like, Sunday night or Friday night or something like that. | ||
| But, like, I don't want to be drunk every day. | ||
| I love drinking. | ||
| I love to party. | ||
| But I do not want to be drunk or fucked up every day. | ||
| Well Burt works a lot. | ||
| The thing about Burt is you can't say partying is fucking up his career because it's done the opposite. | ||
| Like partying has united him with other partiers who come to see him. | ||
| But doesn't he feel like shit when he wakes up in the morning? | ||
| I would imagine he doesn't feel good, but he does a lot of IVs. | ||
| He does a lot of vitamin IVs. | ||
| Okay. | ||
| Apparently, he told me when we were hanging out the other day, he got his liver done. | ||
| He got his blood work done. | ||
| His liver's okay. | ||
| Okay, good. | ||
| That's great to hear. | ||
| I'm worried about him. | ||
| I'm genuinely worried about him because he's almost 50 and he goes hard and, you know, he's very overweight and he decided that when his tour was over, he was going to slow way down and he's going to get in shape. | ||
| So he documented it on Instagram. | ||
| He documented the size of his gut, size of his chest, like his weight. | ||
| He put all that stuff down and he's going to Show measured improvement because I think he's off at the end of this month. | ||
| He's off for three months. | ||
| So for three whole months He's just gonna exercise and try to eat right and I feel like it would be really hard to stay in shape and eat healthy if you were on the road all the time You can probably speak to this but like even when I used to before COVID I was traveling probably once a month for work like to go to a talk or something and it ends up being a week and then like I can't if I'm traveling I I'm not working out. | ||
| I'm not exercising. | ||
| I'm eating on the plane. | ||
| I'm buying a sandwich at Starbucks. | ||
| I have to be home to maintain a healthy lifestyle. | ||
| Healthy for me. | ||
| I work out four days a week with a trainer and I work really hard. | ||
| Not out of self-motivation. | ||
| I'm not self-motivated at all. | ||
| That's why I have a trainer. | ||
| My trainer is excellent. | ||
| His name is Chris at Quilombo in Sayulita. | ||
| He's so awesome. | ||
| I was telling you about him earlier. | ||
| He was a really good boxer. | ||
| He trained with Canelo. | ||
| He's really good at jujitsu. | ||
| He competes. | ||
| But he's also really into training. | ||
| He loves it. | ||
| He loves teaching people things. | ||
| He loves to see people improve. | ||
| I go to training because he'll be disappointed if I don't show up. | ||
| And he pushes me really hard, harder than I would ever push myself. | ||
| If I was partying, I wouldn't go. | ||
| That's the other thing. | ||
| If I'm out getting wasted, I'm not going to be able to get any work done the next day, and I'm not going to exercise, and I'm going to eat bad. | ||
| It really fucks up your life. | ||
| So how are you doing 11 shots? | ||
| I take Fridays off. | ||
| It's because I have a plan. | ||
| So Thursday night, I'm being serious. | ||
| Thursday night is karaoke night. | ||
| It's my favorite night of the week. | ||
| It's like run by my friend Zach. | ||
| You do it every Thursday? | ||
| Every single Thursday. | ||
| And that bar is across the street from my house. | ||
| I can't not go. | ||
| I'd be sitting inside my house listening and be like, oh, there's my friend singing Pearl Jam. | ||
| So I may as well just go, but I also love it. | ||
| But that one day week, the bar stays open until 5am instead of 2am for karaoke night. | ||
| So I am up until 5, 6am every single Thursday. | ||
| So Fridays, I don't work out. | ||
| I don't plan work stuff. | ||
| I don't schedule interviews. | ||
| I plan to be in bed until 5pm. | ||
| This is really interesting. | ||
| You've kind of cultivated this very idyllic life there. | ||
| It's very romantic. | ||
| You're a writer, you're up late at night, you're drinking all the time. | ||
| There's something about drinking and writing that seem to go hand in hand. | ||
| Some of my favorite writers were drunks. | ||
| Okay, I agree with you, but I don't drink if I'm writing. | ||
| Yeah, you don't have to. | ||
| If I'm working, I'll have a glass of wine. | ||
| I have a glass of wine every night or two glasses of wine every night, but I don't get drunk. | ||
| I love my life. | ||
| It's amazing. | ||
| I really wish I made more money because I don't have any savings and I don't own anything. | ||
| All my friends in BC are depressed. | ||
| Well, you're a really good writer, you know, and I think it's a matter of time before you do make more money. | ||
| But maybe it's just also the way you're doing it is kind of interesting, too, with the Patreon or the Substack and that kind of setup. | ||
| That's a very honest way to live, though. | ||
| You know, people are only paying you for what they like. | ||
| It's their choice, their decision, you know? | ||
| Totally. | ||
| Anybody can just donate money to me if they support my work. | ||
| And they do. | ||
| And I find that really amazing and generous because I don't know if I do that. | ||
| It's a great relationship. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| And it's liberating for me. | ||
| I just do what I want to do. | ||
| I write about what I want to write about. | ||
| I think about what's important to me. | ||
| I talk to people I find interesting. | ||
| Tell me what your sub stack is just so they can find you. | ||
| It's called The Same Drugs, but I think it's just Megan Murphy at Substack or whatever. | ||
| Megan with an H. And it's pretty new, but writing is what I want to do. | ||
| I don't have enough time to write as much as I want to write because I spend so much time on the podcasts and the video stuff and just doing admin work and blah blah blah. | ||
| Do you think that drinking... | ||
| There's something about drinking that formulates ideas in my head that don't seem to want to be there without drinking. | ||
| Like, there's times when drinking, like, bumps you or shoves you into an area of thought where you're laughing about something that maybe you wouldn't have laughed about. | ||
| Or you have, like, what is... | ||
| Like, for conversation. | ||
| It's, like, one of the greatest things for conversation. | ||
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| And you're drinking whiskey and you're like two drinks in and everyone's laughing and then someone just goes, why is this a thing? | ||
| And then it's like, I know that's coming from his mind. | ||
| I know it's all coming from our minds, but there's a part of your mind that opens up when you're drinking. | ||
| Yep. | ||
| I mean, I think, yeah, I feel like you can make certain connections or observations about social things as well when you're drinking. | ||
| But obviously, like, it loosens people up to be more themselves. | ||
| They're, like, they don't, they're not as aware of what they're doing. | ||
| They're not as self-conscious. | ||
| They're not as protective. | ||
| You know, they're going to be more open. | ||
| I love that about, like, I love going to the bar and, like, talking to the person who's sitting next to me. | ||
| Right. | ||
| I like meeting people at the bar. | ||
| Right. | ||
| I would have never done this in Vancouver. | ||
| In Sayulita, I just go out by myself. | ||
| It's a small community, so I know lots of people, and I know if I go to the bar, I'm probably going to see a friend. | ||
| But even if I don't, I'll just go sit at the bar, and the person next to me will start talking to me, and they'll be cool, and I'll learn something, and they'll be interesting. | ||
| And that's so not the culture. | ||
| I would have felt so embarrassed to go to a bar by myself. | ||
| Like, men did that in Vancouver. | ||
| Men go sit at bars by themselves. | ||
| But to be a woman and go sit at a bar by themselves, like, you're going to feel awkward and stupid and embarrassed. | ||
| Everyone in Vancouver is so judgy, too. | ||
| And you'll feel like people assume you want to be hit on or you're desperate, you have no friends. | ||
| And it's not, like, I like it. | ||
| I have friends. | ||
| And I like being by myself. | ||
| I like going out to eat by myself. | ||
| It sounds like you're in a great community. | ||
| Yeah, it's great. | ||
| It sounds like it's perfect for you. | ||
| And people don't care what your politics are. | ||
| Nobody knew what I did or who I was there until I did your podcast and couldn't hide it anymore that I was a bigot. | ||
| It was really beautiful because I, you know, I had been so ostracized in Vancouver because of the gender identity stuff. | ||
| Like, I mean, for people who don't know, because I'm critical of gender identity and I don't think men can become women and I want to protect women's rights and protect kids. | ||
| You know, people in Vancouver, a lot of people just... | ||
| Ghosted me. | ||
| Some people said, I can't hang out with you anymore. | ||
| You can't come to my birthday party because my friend hates you because she thinks you're a transphobe. | ||
| Friends of friends who don't know me at all would basically bully my friends into not hanging out with me. | ||
| And I was so angry. | ||
| I was a little bit hurt, but more just like, fuck you, you fucking pussy. | ||
| That is so disrespectful. | ||
| You don't disagree with me. | ||
| You don't dislike me. | ||
| But you're worried about what your friends will think. | ||
| And they behaved as though I was causing trouble in their lives because they would end up in these arguments with their friends or in a position where they were being asked to defend me or being asked to condemn me. | ||
| And it made things stressful for them. | ||
| And they blamed me. | ||
| So they would be like, you know, you're making things really hard for me. | ||
| And I'm like, I'm not doing anything. | ||
| But in Sayulita, so I did your podcast and I came back and everybody was just really proud of me. | ||
| It didn't matter what I said. | ||
| And a lot of people agreed with me. | ||
| Maybe some people didn't. | ||
| They were like, good for you. | ||
| You did a really good job. | ||
| They're so sweet. | ||
| One of the problems, Megan, is people agree with you in silence. | ||
| They agree with you in hushed tones and whispers. | ||
| They'll say it at the water cooler when no one's around. | ||
| She's got a point about certain things. | ||
| Especially when it comes to athletic competition. | ||
| This is one that's dividing the country right now. | ||
| It's like this thing where someone can decide or identify as a woman and compete against biological women. | ||
| And it turns out the standards that you have to achieve to do that are different everywhere. | ||
| It's different with the Olympics. | ||
| It's different with certain organizations won't accept trans athletes. | ||
| Certain ones will. | ||
| Certain ones, all you have to do is identify. | ||
| You don't have to have any proof of what you're doing. | ||
| Especially when it comes to high school sports and college sports, you are now competing with someone who's trying to get a scholarship. | ||
| And if someone is an elite athlete, so say if a woman is an elite athlete in a certain sport, and she has fucking... | ||
| Been grinding it out her whole life and then some biological male comes along and identifies as a woman and then a year later is competing against women and has almost supernatural advantages and this is what we're seeing and it doesn't make you a bigot to say that. | ||
| This is what's so fucked up about this whole thing. | ||
| It's like you can be an open-minded, compassionate person who also sees the truth. | ||
| And where the rubber hits the road, in my eyes, is when there's clear classifications of male or female in sports. | ||
| It's a great example. | ||
| There's a clear classification. | ||
| The men don't compete against the women because they have an advantage. | ||
| We agree to that from the beginning. | ||
| And we've always known that because otherwise these categories wouldn't exist. | ||
| And women wouldn't have sports if we didn't know that and we didn't decide if women are going to play sports competitively, if women are going to compete, they have to have their own category because they can't compete against men. | ||
| They'll lose. | ||
| It's not fair. | ||
| It's that simple. | ||
| It's not fair. | ||
| And I don't know what the solution is. | ||
| I don't think it's necessarily that the trans person should have to compete as a man. | ||
| I don't think that's the answer either. | ||
| I don't think there's enough trans people for trans people to compete as trans people, like to win a trans division. | ||
| I don't think that's the solution either. | ||
| I don't know what the solution is, but I do know that there's rules when it comes to competition. | ||
| One of the rules is you can't take performance-enhancing drugs. | ||
| Right? | ||
| Like if you're a person and you want to compete in certain sports, they blood test you. | ||
| They'll Vata test you. | ||
| They'll make sure that you're not doing anything. | ||
| Well, if you're, let's say, if you're a female to male transgender person, right? | ||
| So you're a trans man and you want to be competing with other men. | ||
| We really don't hear about that, and we're really not upset at that. | ||
| No one's complaining about that happening, right? | ||
| But if that person did want to complain, here's what they would say. | ||
| This person has exogenous testosterone that's not derived from human beings. | ||
| It's derived from wild yams. | ||
| Okay, so we do a carbon isotope. | ||
| I think that's what it is. | ||
| It's a more complicated test. | ||
| It's not just recognizing the levels of the test. | ||
| It's recognizing where the testosterone comes from. | ||
| We have synthetic testosterone in your system. | ||
| That's absolutely illegal. | ||
| Well, if you have synthetic estrogen in your system, is that okay? | ||
| And how much testosterone are you allowed to have? | ||
| Because there's a guy named Derek who runs this YouTube show, More Plates, More Dates, and he was going over thresholds. | ||
| Because he was talking about that woman, the swimmer from Leah Thomas, and he was going over thresholds. | ||
| He's like, the thresholds that were in certain sports where they test and they say, okay, you can compete as a woman, are like, Way higher than most women are. | ||
| Exactly. | ||
| Exactly. | ||
| I mean, it's so weird. | ||
| But you can still compete as a woman. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| But if you were a woman and you were on steroids, they wouldn't let you compete. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| This is my point. | ||
| It's like something's off. | ||
| This is not fair. | ||
| And it has nothing to do with someone's identity. | ||
| Your identity doesn't matter. | ||
| It's also, I don't want to change that. | ||
| I don't want to affect what your name is or what your pronouns are or any of that shit. | ||
| I don't care. | ||
| I'm just saying in this thing, we have to recognize this is not, it's not, boom, you're a woman, abracadabra. | ||
| It's not a magic wand. | ||
| There's some fucking gray area. | ||
| And if you don't want to admit that, if you want to pretend that that doesn't exist, well, now we're in a cult. | ||
| Now we're ideologically bound to these ideas where you can't even discuss. | ||
| There's a lot of people I know that are liberal. | ||
| Where you can't discuss reality and you can't tell the truth. | ||
| Exactly. | ||
| You can't ask questions even. | ||
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| You can't say it. | ||
| You can't discuss it. | ||
| Okay. | ||
| The solution is that if you're male, you have to compete in the male category. | ||
| And if you're female, you have to compete in the female category. | ||
| There's no other solution. | ||
| The idea of creating a trans category would be fine in theory, but there's not enough trans people for that to make sense. | ||
| And my opinion is that if you want to be an athlete, if you want to compete, then you make a decision about whether or not you want to take hormones. | ||
| And if you're taking hormones, you can't compete, just like everybody else. | ||
| Like, you can be trans if you want, but that might take you out of the competition. | ||
| So you choose what's more important to you. | ||
| And I'm not saying that to be mean, but there's no other solution. | ||
| If you're a male, if you've gone through puberty, you have an advantage. | ||
| Your body is totally different. | ||
| Like, I just interviewed Taylor Silverman, who is a skateboarder, a female skateboarder, and she lost first place to a so-called trans woman. | ||
| Um, so a male who was identifying as a woman. | ||
| And she, it was a Red Bull contest and she contacted Red Bull privately. | ||
| Like she wasn't trying to make a big show of anything. | ||
| She's like a wonderful young woman. | ||
| She's like super articulate, super respectful, super smart. | ||
| And she's not making a ton of money off of skateboarding. | ||
| She's 27 years old. | ||
| She's not going to be doing this forever. | ||
| She spoke out because she felt it wasn't fair. | ||
| She was like, you know, this might affect... | ||
| If I have kids one day, it might affect my daughter. | ||
| This doesn't really affect me that much. | ||
| She contacted Red Bull privately and said, Hey, this happened. | ||
| I don't think this is fair. | ||
| I lost out on $2,000. | ||
| I should have been in first place. | ||
| A bunch of other stuff. | ||
| Red Bull totally ignored her. | ||
| So she posted on social media. | ||
| She got a ton of traction, a ton of attention, and a ton of support. | ||
| And it's like, maybe some people think about skateboarding, and they're like, well, what advantage does a man have over a woman in skateboarding? | ||
| But your hips move differently. | ||
| You're jumping. | ||
| I don't skateboard, so I'm not going to explain this as well as somebody who's skateboarding. | ||
| But there are advantages and differences in all sorts of subtle ways, as well as in very obvious ways when we're talking about sports like track, swimming, MMA. Jesus Christ, you're beating people up. | ||
| Well, that's where I came into the conversation. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| When that thing was happening where there was a trans woman who was a male for 30 years who was only transitioned within the last two years and was not telling anybody and saying that it was a medical issue. | ||
| So she fought two different women that were biological females and beat the fuck out of them. | ||
| And that's when I stepped in. | ||
| I was like, you're out of your fucking mind. | ||
| This is crazy because I've been around martial arts my whole life. | ||
| There's a giant difference. | ||
| There's a giant difference between men and women. | ||
| The big one is power. | ||
| The difference is so stark. | ||
| It's so different. | ||
| Like, if you got a powerful person, like someone who's a really hard striker, like a Tyron Woodley. | ||
| If Tyron Woodley transitioned to be female, How much are you going to deplete him where it's not the most ruthless execution every time he steps into the cage? | ||
| It's disgusting. | ||
| He's too big for most women. | ||
| He's 170 pounds. | ||
| He was one of the best welterweight champions in the UFC. But if someone was smaller, like 135 pounds, there's women that can beat men. | ||
| Make no mistake about it. | ||
| We talked about it on the podcast recently. | ||
| In the MMA, do you mean a woman who's skilled could beat a man who's not... | ||
| No, women in MMA. Jermaine Durandamy is a multiple-time world kickboxing champion, Muay Thai champion. | ||
| She was UFC featherweight champion. | ||
| She's a fucking savage. | ||
| And she fought a man in a boxing match and flatlined him. | ||
| How big is she? | ||
| How tall is she? | ||
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She's tall. | |
| She's very tall. | ||
| I believe she's 5'11 and real long and very wiry and strong. | ||
| And she's a phenomenal striker. | ||
| Okay, so is that about... | ||
| You want to see it? | ||
| Yeah, totally. | ||
| I'm like, I'm really into MMA now. | ||
| I mean, I know that I don't know because I text you and I'm like, why did this person win? | ||
| I'm a big fan of her. | ||
| She's got a lightning bolt right hand. | ||
| So she's fighting a dude and the dude is not on her level. | ||
| Definitely not on her level, but he's still a fucking dude. | ||
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She's awesome. | |
| And look, he hit her with a big fucking shot there. | ||
| She's amazing. | ||
| Clubbed her in the break. | ||
| Dude, she's a demon. | ||
| You've got to watch her fight. | ||
| She has one of the most technical stand-up games in all of MMA today. | ||
| She's really good on her feet. | ||
| Really good. | ||
| Look at that right hand. | ||
| And so this dude is just- She's awesome. | ||
| She's in there. | ||
| She's good. | ||
| So watch it here. | ||
| No, no, no. | ||
| You almost had it. | ||
| You almost had it to where the KO is. | ||
| Okay, this is it right here? | ||
| It goes into this corner. | ||
| Yeah, that's when they're going to go to this corner on the left, and that's where the KO happens. | ||
| But it's really crazy because the guy was hurting her. | ||
| I mean, he was really, like, here it is. | ||
| One, two, three, and watch this. | ||
| Watch this perfect right hand. | ||
| Because the dude's swarming on her, right? | ||
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And as soon as they break feet, BAM! Dude! | |
| I mean, that is fucking picture perfect. | ||
| That dude got wrecked. | ||
| Amazing. | ||
| But that's the kind of technique that she has. | ||
| Why did she get to fight a dude? | ||
| How did this happen? | ||
| It's not in America. | ||
| Where is it? | ||
| I believe it was in Holland. | ||
| And was it like she was like, I want to fight a dude? | ||
| Yeah, yeah, yeah. | ||
| She just said, I'll fucking fuck you up, bitch. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| So she agreed to fight a guy. | ||
| But that also happened with one of the great women boxers of the 80s and 90s, this woman named Lucia Riker. | ||
| And Lucia Riker was also a world Muay Thai champion, and she was the most dangerous female boxer for years. | ||
| And they were always trying to set her up with Christy Martin. | ||
| Remember Christy Martin, the coal miner's daughter? | ||
| She was like a famous female boxer. | ||
| Wait, did she write a book or an autobiography or something like that? | ||
| I think you're thinking of the singer. | ||
| What's that woman's name? | ||
| Thinking of a singer? | ||
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No, I'm thinking of a boxer. | |
| Oh my god. | ||
| That's not what I'm thinking of. | ||
| Clearly I don't know what this person is. | ||
| But isn't there an original song? | ||
| Well, I would imagine she's singing. | ||
| I'm not sure who that is. | ||
| I don't want to double down on this because I was thinking of a boxer who was a woman who wrote a book. | ||
| So this was my point. | ||
| They never fought, but everybody always felt like Lucia Riker was the better boxer. | ||
| People that were martial arts enthusiasts in boxers, they thought that Lucia Riker was the woman, the one to beat. | ||
| So she fought a dude, but she got knocked out. | ||
| And it's rough, because it's the same sort of situation. | ||
| See if you can find out. | ||
| I mean, I feel like these kinds of things would be the things where people are like, well, I guess women can compete against men, so why are we keeping trans? | ||
| But this is an exception. | ||
| She's an outlier of all outliers. | ||
| I mean, Jermaine Durand to me is a multiple-time world champion. | ||
| She's elite. | ||
| Like, when I watch her hit the pads, it's like, I could just, wow. | ||
| It's like beautiful. | ||
| Da-da-bang! | ||
| Da-da-bang! | ||
| Like everything is smooth. | ||
| When she's moving in, it's like you're watching a fucking executioner. | ||
| It's beautiful to watch. | ||
| But that's an outlier. | ||
| That's the top of the food chain. | ||
| That's literally right here. | ||
| World champion. | ||
| Everybody else is fucked. | ||
| Because Lucia Riker was a world champion, and the guy that she fought was not. | ||
| He was just not. | ||
| He was okay. | ||
| But no way was he in the level that she was. | ||
| Look at this. | ||
| And that's Lucia Riker. | ||
| And she gets cracked somewhere in there. | ||
| This is a Muay Thai fight, that's right. | ||
| And she gets KO'd. | ||
| As a woman, she was just one of the- actually, this dude's a lot better than I give him credit for. | ||
| She's so intense. | ||
| The dude is a lot better than I give credit for. | ||
| I'm thinking it's something different here. | ||
| I might have confused this- there it is right there. | ||
| There it is. | ||
| There it is. | ||
| She gets KO'd. | ||
| That guy's a lot better than I thought he was. | ||
| You know, I think when I first saw this, I was probably upset that he knocked her out and I probably disparaged his skill. | ||
| But that was a beautiful left hand I'm definitely another one that was yeah, I mean that guy's good What do you do you think that the guy is like how often does this happen where men and women very rarely? | ||
| Yeah, that's an example They probably both weigh the same weight, but the amount of power that that guy had like that left It's funny cuz she looks bigger than him I mean, maybe she's taller. | ||
| She's also wearing a t-shirt. | ||
| She looks bigger and, like, tougher than he does. | ||
| Like, he looks tiny. | ||
| But maybe that's just because you expect men to be bigger. | ||
| This is shit grain footage, right? | ||
| It's not that good. | ||
| Oh, so he's a tie as well. | ||
| He versus he. | ||
| Sam Chai Jai Di. | ||
| Yeah, it's from New Zealand. | ||
| I mean, but people who defend trans women being able to compete against women in sport do use these random examples where it's like, oh, you know, well, so-and-so is faster, or so-and-so beats so-and-so. | ||
| But it's like, that's not common. | ||
| And to me, the sports thing is so great and interesting because it reaches... | ||
| Every normal person who was not engaged in the debate around gender identity, which was primarily for so long. | ||
| It really was, like, I don't think people knew this, but it was really, it was radical feminists. | ||
| Like, Janice Raymond wrote a book about transgenderism and how it was, like, dangerous to women and women's rights in 1979. What? | ||
| Yes! | ||
| It's called The Transsexual Empire. | ||
| I didn't know. | ||
| And it's a good book. | ||
| It's interesting. | ||
| I didn't know that it was that big of a political issue back then. | ||
| And then, like, Gloria Steinem in the late 70s, I think, said something critical about, there was like a tennis player, a male tennis player. | ||
| Winnie Richards. | ||
| They used to call them, okay, I think you're right. | ||
| I'm really bad with names, so I apologize. | ||
| The one that transitioned? | ||
| Oh yeah, the coal miner's daughter. | ||
| The one that transitioned? | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| Yeah, that was a famous story. | ||
| And she was critical. | ||
| Gloria Steinem was critical of that publicly. | ||
| You know, she was critical of this idea of transgenderism. | ||
| Like she was like, you shouldn't change to fit the gender stereotypes of the world. | ||
| I'm fully paraphrasing. | ||
| This is not what she said. | ||
| She said it's uncritical. | ||
| She retracted it in later years because she was bullied into it. | ||
| But, you know, this debate was happening in the late 70s and 80s. | ||
| And radical feminists were like not having it at all. | ||
| Like, it's only recently that all these so-called feminists started to come around and say trans women are women. | ||
| And even then, the radical feminists are the ones that have been fighting this for so long. | ||
| Julie Bendel, who is a UK journalist, wrote an article in 2004 for The Guardian about what happened at Vancouver Rape Relief, which is a... | ||
| It's a rape crisis line and a transition house for women escaping domestic abuse. | ||
| And a trans woman, Kimberly Nixon, came to training for counselors. | ||
| So counselors who were there at the house working with women who were escaping serious domestic abuse and sexual assault. | ||
| And the women who were doing the training were like, you know, sorry, you're a man. | ||
| Only women are allowed to train as counselors here. | ||
| They only had women employees, volunteers. | ||
| Only women are allowed in the house. | ||
| And Kimberly Nixon took them to court, to the Human Rights Tribunal. | ||
| Vancouver Rape Relief went all the way to the Supreme Court and won. | ||
| They won the right to determine their own membership. | ||
| They didn't win, you know, trans women or men. | ||
| And Julie Bindel wrote about that case in 2004. Radical feminists were trying to warn people about what was happening and what was going to happen if we allowed this to go on. | ||
| And nobody listened. | ||
| And now it's almost too late. | ||
| And, you know, whatever. | ||
| This is how things go. | ||
| And nobody listens to radical feminists. | ||
| This is a very marginal political movement. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| But, like... | ||
| It's very frustrating to me because now we're seeing I don't want to categorize people because, you know, I was going to say right-wing men, but I like a lot of right-wing men. | ||
| There's a lot of right-wing people who are great. | ||
| A lot of people who really do care about women's rights. | ||
| But we're seeing some right-wing men like showing up online and being like, where are all the feminists on this issue? | ||
| How come I'm the only person brave enough to say that men aren't women and to speak up? | ||
| And it's like, dude, we have been... | ||
| I'm trying to be heard. | ||
| I couldn't get anything published on this. | ||
| Like, when Bill C-16, Canada's gender identity legislation, showed up, the Liberals were trying to push it through in 2016, I pitched to everywhere to say, these are my concerns with regards specifically to the impact on women's rights. | ||
| These are the issues I have with this ideology. | ||
| I think it's regressive. | ||
| I think it's sexist. | ||
| I think it's dangerous. | ||
| Nobody would publish anything. | ||
| The Canadian media would not have me on. | ||
| They would not interview me. | ||
| Every single event that we tried to plan, we'd get threatened. | ||
| The venues would pull out. | ||
| This happened in the UK. This happened in the US. I'm so grateful that I had my own platform and my own website so that I could write about this stuff and so that I could interview women who were doing work on this issue and interview people who were experts. | ||
| Because otherwise, I don't know where I would have said any of this stuff. | ||
| We finally pushed and pushed and pushed to host talks and that forced the media to cover it a bit. | ||
| I don't know why I started complaining about this, except that it makes me really mad. | ||
| That's why. | ||
| I don't know who I was talking to about this, but the conversation essentially was... | ||
| This person I was talking to, whoever it was, I forgive them. | ||
| Forgive me, please. | ||
| she was saying that the problem becomes a lot of people that are women who have these groups that are dedicated just to women and then a trans woman will come in these groups and behave like a man and and bring like a man's attitude to this thing and she's like it's specific and it's not discussed so it's this thing that happens where they start to Acting male, | ||
| for lack of a better term. | ||
| So, like, she was talking about taking over things, running things, like, being, like, very outspoken and aggressive with their opinions about things in almost an intimidating way. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| A way like a man does it. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| There was a fucking anti-abortion, or anti, um, a pro-choice rally. | ||
| And, uh, this trans woman was screaming with the deepest voice, keep your laws out of my pussy. | ||
| Oh my god. | ||
| It was so wild. | ||
| And that's just, like, domineering behavior. | ||
| Like, I don't... | ||
| But they weren't even trying to hide. | ||
| I mean, it was such a masculine voice. | ||
| Well, and that's... | ||
| I'm like, I don't believe that you believe it. | ||
| Like, those... | ||
| I'm like, you don't think you're a woman. | ||
| Give me a break. | ||
| You're just being a bully. | ||
| That might be like a Louderworth Crowder sketch. | ||
| Yeah, I mean, a lot of it seems like satire, and it's hard to tell which is satire and which is real. | ||
| It's very hard to tell. | ||
| That's the problem, is that things are getting blurry, and... | ||
| But I think a lot of men, you know, identify as women or trans women specifically so that they can act like bullies. | ||
| Not all of them. | ||
| Some people just want to be themselves and that's fine. | ||
| Go be yourself. | ||
| I don't care. | ||
| But like so that you can insert yourself into spaces and conversation and take over. | ||
| I think that the kind of men who identify as women or trans women who go into women's change rooms or bathrooms... | ||
| Or there was that guy at the spa in LA. I think that they want to make women feel uncomfortable. | ||
| You know that you're making women feel... | ||
| You're parading around naked in a change room, in a women's change room, or at a woman-only spa. | ||
| You know that you're making people feel uncomfortable, and you're doing it anyway. | ||
| You're an asshole, and you're a pervert. | ||
| Well, you can't say that. | ||
| You can't say that. | ||
| Or you'll get banned from Twitter. | ||
| You're going to get in trouble. | ||
| Sorry, I hope I don't get you in trouble. | ||
| Unhinged. | ||
| What is this? | ||
| A hairy armpit individual with green hair chants, keep your laws out of my pussy. | ||
| Is that it? | ||
| I don't believe so. | ||
| I bet there was more of those. | ||
| There's a lie. | ||
| That looks like a real woman. | ||
| I couldn't tell. | ||
| That could be a woman that does CrossFit. | ||
| She doesn't look in that good shape, or he. | ||
| No, she doesn't, but if she's an overweight woman who does a lot of overhead presses, it's possible that's a woman. | ||
| There are some women who look mannish. | ||
| Mannish? | ||
| In MMA, for example. | ||
| Up to a fucking certain level. | ||
| But you can tell. | ||
| Yeah, up to a level. | ||
| You sit up next to Yoel Romero, you know who's the fucking woman. | ||
| I find it hilarious that when trans activists pretend that nobody can tell. | ||
| Like, oh, well, you probably had trans women in your bathroom your whole life, you didn't know. | ||
| And it's like, everybody knows. | ||
| You know who a man is, you know who a woman is. | ||
| Like, there's very few that, like, are sort of ambiguous, but for the most part, it's obvious. | ||
| And sometimes it's not even, oh, would you like some more Garcia? | ||
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Ha ha ha! | |
| We just had a last sip. | ||
| No. | ||
| Okay. | ||
| You're not going to try it. | ||
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Okay. | |
| That's nasty. | ||
| That's okay. | ||
| You can try it another time. | ||
| That's nasty. | ||
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This is actually good. | |
| It's good. | ||
| Anyway. | ||
| But the thing is, you can't even have that on the table. | ||
| When you have an open door, right? | ||
| And you say, all you have to do is identify, and then you can be around these people. | ||
| You must open the door to the possibility that perverts are going to go in there. | ||
| If you want to pretend that to be trans excludes the possibility of you being a pervert, that's crazy. | ||
| It's totally possible that someone could say they identify as trans. | ||
| I'm not saying that people are doing this. | ||
| I'm saying it's totally possible. | ||
| This must be considered. | ||
| And people have been assaulted. | ||
| Biological males have gone into females' bathrooms and assaulted them. | ||
| It's a fucked up individual more than it is indicative of trans people overall. | ||
| I'm not saying it's about trans people being predators, it's about some males who are predators and use that as a way to get away with it. | ||
| There was also something, I forget who told me this too, it might have been Bridget, autogynephilia. | ||
| Yes. | ||
| When I say pervert, or when I say fetishist, I know it sounds offensive if I'm like, these men are men with fetishes. | ||
| There's research on this. | ||
| Men who transition when they're younger tend to be gay men. | ||
| I think it's Ray Blanchard that did this research, tend to be gay men. | ||
| And men who transition when they're older, middle-aged, tend to be heterosexual men with fetishes, with what might be called cross-dressing fetishes. | ||
| They're turned on by wearing women's clothes and by the idea of wearing women's clothes in public, and by the idea of passing as a woman. | ||
| Obviously, none of them pass as women. | ||
| But it's a fetish, and it's called autogonophilia. | ||
| And, you know, a lot of people have talked about this being part of the reason that transgenderism became mainstream, became part of the LGBTQ activism stuff, and why they attach themselves to this born-this-way mantra. | ||
| Like, some people are just born trans. | ||
| And why this idea of trans kids exists. | ||
| Like, some kids are just born in the wrong body. | ||
| And some babies are assigned male and, in fact, they're girls. | ||
| Because these guys wanted to legitimize their... | ||
| Fetishes and their preferred identities, so they had to pretend that it was something innate. | ||
| They had to push this narrative that it was something innate, that it wasn't just about them, you know, having this fetish or wearing this clothing. | ||
| But how could you know that, though? | ||
| How could you know that some people aren't born and they feel like they're in the wrong body? | ||
| Like some boys who are born and they feel like, I'm supposed to be a girl. | ||
| Doesn't matter. | ||
| So you feel like you're supposed to be a girl. | ||
| You're not your boy. | ||
| So what? | ||
| I think that for some people then it's a mental illness and we're not allowed to say that. | ||
| But is it absolutely a mental illness? | ||
| Here's the question. | ||
| If someone is born male but they feel in every fiber of their being that they're supposed to be a woman and they're healthy every other way, Is that really mental illness or is there some wiring that should be male and is female? | ||
| Some not understood mechanism that makes someone feel like they're a woman or feel like they're a boy? | ||
| Okay, so mental condition. | ||
| Then don't call it mental illness. | ||
| Call it a mental condition. | ||
| If you're a male and you feel certain that you're actually supposed to be female, You hate your male body parts so much to such an extent that you cannot live comfortably. | ||
| You have to get rid of them. | ||
| And to be clear, go ahead and do that. | ||
| You're an adult. | ||
| You have the right to get cosmetic surgeries. | ||
| I think that surgeons should be more accountable and culpable and warn people about the dangers and about the fact that they might not be able to orgasm again or it might be mangled. | ||
| These are real serious, dangerous surgeries. | ||
| But, you know, that's a mental condition. | ||
| Just, like, if you were a man and you believed so strongly, like, there's those people that get, like, you know, lizard, you know, they get, like, bone, like, what are those? | ||
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Implants. | |
| Implants in their foreheads and they, like, get rid of their noses. | ||
|
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Have you ever seen the Black Alien Project? | |
| Yes! | ||
| Have you ever seen the Black Alien Project? | ||
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Yes! | |
| Have you seen him lately, Jamie? | ||
| He chopped off two of his fingers to try to emulate what he believes would be an alien claw. | ||
| So in one of his hands, he only has two fingers. | ||
| And I think he's going to do it to the other hand, too. | ||
| What is that? | ||
| And now he's also implanted all these beads all over his arm. | ||
| So he has like a spiral of beads over his arm. | ||
| Like, what is that? | ||
| Look at his right hand. | ||
| What is this? | ||
| Like, why would somebody do this? | ||
| Look what he's doing to his arm. | ||
| He's turning himself into like an alien. | ||
| Like this should be like whoever, whatever surgeon is doing this to him I think is unethical. | ||
| It's really, did he chop off his top finger to it or is he tucking it in? | ||
| Oh, there he is, yeah. | ||
| You know, he's got two fingers on one hand. | ||
| But, like, look at this, everything about him. | ||
| Do you think this person was traumatized as a child? | ||
| Something happened. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| You know what's interesting? | ||
| There's photos of him when he was younger, before he got all this stuff done, and he's a good-looking guy. | ||
| It's like, what he's doing is, like, really bizarre. | ||
| Like, he was, like, gifted by nature with great genetics. | ||
| Look, he's got his eyeballs tattooed. | ||
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This is so messed up, dude. | |
| Yeah, this is what I was talking about the nose thing. | ||
| Yeah, he's got his nose removed. | ||
| He just has an open hole where his nose used to be. | ||
| It's so crazy. | ||
| That's what he looks like. | ||
| And is this because he believes that he's actually an alien? | ||
| No, it's a good body modification project, I believe. | ||
| I think he speaks Spanish. | ||
| Is that what it is? | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| Yeah, he speaks Spanish. | ||
| I feel like this person must have severe childhood trauma. | ||
| Something's up. | ||
| I mean, they've got his ears removed, too. | ||
| Oh, Jesus Christ. | ||
| That is so crazy. | ||
| Okay, but I mean... | ||
| That's so goddamn crazy. | ||
| So those cuts on the side must be where they put those brow implants. | ||
| Lord. | ||
| Holy fucking shit. | ||
| Who's doing this to this man? | ||
| A lot of people, I bet. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| I mean, that's the other thing. | ||
| Oh, there you go. | ||
| Work by my bro. | ||
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All right, let's check out your bro. | |
| Oh, that guy's got his tongue split. | ||
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Oh, Jesus Christ. | |
| No! | ||
| What is that? | ||
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What is that? | |
| I don't even know what bone that is. | ||
| Is that someone's back? | ||
| What is that? | ||
| What are we looking at? | ||
| What does it say up there? | ||
| Fresh works, it says. | ||
| Genital implants. | ||
| No! | ||
| No! | ||
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Why are we looking? | |
| No! | ||
| No! | ||
| God damn it! | ||
| They're looking at a dick this whole time. | ||
| Oh, go back. | ||
| Go back to that. | ||
| It says it's a dick. | ||
| Oh my god. | ||
| So you only see the top of the dick. | ||
| So it's like side dick skin. | ||
| Look how great. | ||
| That guy's got a hairy ass dick. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| I don't want to pluck those hairs, son. | ||
| Look at that. | ||
| I thought that was like his back. | ||
| Do you think that he's having sex with people? | ||
| I bet that shit's gonna hurt. | ||
| I bet there's not that many people. | ||
| Well, there's probably other weirdos who are like, I want to have sex with an alien. | ||
| They have dick butt plugs. | ||
| It's like a butt plug. | ||
| That's what it is. | ||
| He's turning his dick into a butt plug. | ||
| So it's got all those like humps. | ||
| That's what it is. | ||
| It's like beads. | ||
| You know, people use anal beads. | ||
| So it's for men, not for women. | ||
| It's for butts. | ||
| It might be for women. | ||
| No, women don't like anal sex, and this is a hill that I'm going to die on. | ||
| Women don't have a prostate. | ||
| Like, men and some women are so stupid about this thing, because they're like, I like anal sex. | ||
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So do you think women are saying, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh. | |
| What the fuck, man? | ||
| What is happening here? | ||
| He's got his eyeballs tattooed, but it looks like... | ||
| Oh, they're tattooed! | ||
| Wild colors. | ||
| That is awful. | ||
| It looks cool, but that's crazy. | ||
| It looks cool for now. | ||
| I think this qualifies as self-harm. | ||
| I think it's the same concept, but way more extreme of cutting. | ||
| Well, the thing about this one is this doesn't turn back. | ||
| You can't turn that around. | ||
| Nope. | ||
| Once you get your eyeballs tattooed, your eyeballs are tattooed forever. | ||
| That's crazy. | ||
| It's just like people are doing things to themselves and, you know... | ||
| Whoa! | ||
| Look at that girl! | ||
| Oh my god, look at her eyes! | ||
| I think a lot of this kind of thing is like trauma and then it's like attention and wanting to feel special and wanting... | ||
| Okay, I see. | ||
| Some kind of narcissism. | ||
| Wait a minute, that guy with the split tongue right there. | ||
| Hold on, go back. | ||
| That one right there. | ||
| What the fuck, man? | ||
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So gross. | |
| Oh my god. | ||
| Jesus Christ, that is so crazy. | ||
| How do you think these people make a living? | ||
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Starbucks. | |
| Baristas. | ||
| They're queer activists. | ||
| Oh, that was mean. | ||
| Sometimes. | ||
| I mean, I'm saying all this while I'm covered in tattoos. | ||
| My arms are sleeved up. | ||
| Yeah, but I feel like tattoos, I mean, that's cross-cultural. | ||
| Like, people have always done that kind of thing. | ||
| I like tattoos. | ||
| I just don't like your eyeballs done and fucking bolts put in your head But so to go back to that what we're talking about if someone feels like they've been a girl their whole life Doesn't make them actually a girl so you so where does that? | ||
| Where should that preclude them from sports should preclude them from? | ||
| women's bathrooms like I think it should preclude them from competing against and with women in sport. | ||
| I think... | ||
| I mean... | ||
| I don't know... | ||
| I mean, the bathroom thing's funny because I don't know that they're... | ||
| Like... | ||
| I feel like you know. | ||
| If you're a man, you don't go into women's bathrooms. | ||
| You don't want to make women feel scared or uncomfortable. | ||
| Unless you do. | ||
| Unless you do. | ||
| That's what you're trying to do. | ||
| I don't think this is such a complicated issue as people are making it out to me. | ||
| I think everybody knows what bathroom they should go into. | ||
| Prisons, if you're male, you've got to stay in the male prison. | ||
| You cannot be transferred to the female prison. | ||
| But how are you going to get anybody pregnant? | ||
| Exactly. | ||
| If you don't get transferred to the female prison. | ||
| How are these women going to have babies? | ||
| It's not hilarious that one biological male got two women pregnant. | ||
| Here's the question. | ||
| If you're a biological male and say you've transitioned and you want to be identified as a female and go to a female prison if you get arrested, do you have to take estrogen? | ||
| No. | ||
| So you could just stop taking estrogen? | ||
| I don't think you have to do anything. | ||
| I think you just have to identify as a woman and apply and say, I'm a woman. | ||
| What a wacky move. | ||
| Because you can keep your dick and all your hormones and everything rock and roll and just slinging dick all over the cell block. | ||
| Well, and in Canada, I've talked to women who have been in prison with men and there are sexual assaults that have gone on in women's prisons perpetrated by men. | ||
| How long have they been allowed them to do that, to go to women's prisons? | ||
| I don't know when it started exactly, but at least a few years. | ||
| And now, obviously, it's getting worse because this has been further entrenched in the law. | ||
| How did that happen, do you think? | ||
| This is what's really interesting. | ||
| It's not just acceptance. | ||
| It's a celebration and a societal shaming of people who question it and talk about it. | ||
| This is not a... | ||
| You know, like there's people that are shitty people. | ||
| They don't like people for whatever reason, whether they don't like gay people, they don't like trans people, they don't like all kinds of people. | ||
| But I'm not even talking about that. | ||
| I'm talking about like just there's a mantra that almost you have to say, like trans women are women. | ||
| And you say that. | ||
| And so if you don't say that, and you even discuss it, if you talk about things like, hey, you know, that swimmer was number 462 with the men, and now she's number one as a woman. | ||
| Like, maybe that's not fair. | ||
| Like, maybe if that was your kid going to that school, you wouldn't think it's fair. | ||
| People would fucking blow up at you. | ||
| They'll get mad at you. | ||
| There's a certain amount of people that feel like this is their chance to show their loyalty to this ideology and they'll argue it in a very aggressive way. | ||
| It's interesting because how many people are we talking about? | ||
| How many people is this actually affecting where The discussion has gone through the entire culture. | ||
| It's really interesting in that way. | ||
| So what happened? | ||
| And what rocketed that to the position that it's in now? | ||
| I mean, the prison issue specifically, I believe that was just about the Canadian government not wanting to deal with this problem. | ||
| And they're like, okay, sure, fine. | ||
| Because in Canada, the Canadian government will not discuss or acknowledge that this is really happening Nor will the Canadian media. | ||
| You know, there are women who are ex-inmates who are fighting this. | ||
| And some, you know, women, you know, radical feminists who are fighting this. | ||
| But the Canadian government will not engage with them, will not acknowledge. | ||
| I mean, essentially, they've determined that protecting You know, protecting themselves from controversy, protecting themselves from being, you know, attacked by trans activists or criticized or whatever. | ||
| They're just going to let this happen. | ||
| And who cares what the result is for the women in prison who are having to share their cells with men who are impregnating them? | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| I mean, they're just, they're being completely cowardly and completely unethical. | ||
| But it's so weird that that's made its way into law enforcement. | ||
| Like, that's what's weird to me. | ||
| And even the military. | ||
| Like, I've seen, and I've seen a lot of, like, Special Forces guys and Navy SEALs and some... | ||
| Like, high-level guys that are super upset with this. | ||
| Super upset with this. | ||
| What's happening in the military? | ||
| Wokeness making its way and woke language making its way into the military. | ||
| And they're like, hey, we're in the business... | ||
| Like, Tim Kennedy said this. | ||
| He said, we are in the business of killing bad guys. | ||
| And anything that gets in the way of killing bad guys is not something we're going to tolerate. | ||
| Like, they're just not interested. | ||
| Like, you can't have that get to that level. | ||
| You have, like... | ||
| These Special Forces guys who have to do these insane operations under extreme pressure, very high likelihood of death, and you can't have any bullshit there. | ||
| You have to have the best trained, most qualified, everything has to be accurate, everybody has to form as a unit. | ||
| You can't have any bullshit there. | ||
| And if you've got some ideological bullshit like you have to say this We have to have a certain amount of people that are that and there's like no no no no no no no no not there and Because that's the place where literal life or death is in the balance. | ||
| And you cannot be thinking about that nonsense. | ||
| Like, imagine, you know how hard Buds is for Navy SEALs? | ||
| It's like one of the most extreme tests that any military organization puts on a member. | ||
| If you can become a Navy SEAL, you are a highly distinguished human being who can do some things that most people can't do in terms of your will, your ability to force your way through situations that are extremely difficult and uncomfortable. | ||
| You can't say with that, we're going to lighten up our expectations because we like to have some trans SEALs. | ||
| Yeah, it cannot be about inclusivity. | ||
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Right. | |
| It has to be only a meritocracy. | ||
| It has to only be the people that can fucking do it. | ||
| What a strange place for wokeness to be inserted. | ||
| It's bizarre that it's discussed in the military, but they have discussed it. | ||
| They've discussed all kinds of woke talk. | ||
| And people are pushing back against it because they're surprised that it was there. | ||
| I'm like, you guys are the fucking hired killers. | ||
| You guys are the hired killers of the government. | ||
| You're talking woke. | ||
| Ridiculous. | ||
| But it's so interesting to me how it's accelerated in what Douglas Murray always talks about. | ||
| That for some reason, when a civilization is near the end, they become obsessed with gender. | ||
| Yeah, I mean it's partly an obsession with gender and then hedonism, I think. | ||
| Hedonism. | ||
| Like I think that it's like, I really, I don't like using the word privilege because it's overused and it's used in sort of weird ways to shut down conversation and to silence people and things like that. | ||
| But I think it's, like, too much privilege. | ||
| Like, you don't have enough real problems that you're worrying about people's gender identities. | ||
| Like, it's so stupid. | ||
| It's not real life. | ||
| It's just invented ideology, like, academic ideology. | ||
| I think that it's, like... | ||
| And I think that it's indulging in, again, fetishes, like... | ||
| A lot of these, they call themselves trans widows. | ||
| So women who have had husbands that have decided to transition while they're married. | ||
| And I've talked to some of these women and their stories are really heartbreaking. | ||
| Um... | ||
| You know, and in those cases, their stories are often like these guys start acting really, like, teenager-y and, like, get super narcissistic and, like, all of a sudden, you know, they get really superficial. | ||
| They're into clothes. | ||
| They want all the attention. | ||
| Kardashians? | ||
| Did you just say Kardashians? | ||
| No, want all the attention. | ||
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Interesting, because that's Caitlyn Jenner. | |
| Yeah, exactly. | ||
| I don't know. | ||
| My theory about Caitlyn Jenner is like, all these chicks are getting all this attention. | ||
| And Caitlyn Jenner, I don't know if you watched, did you watch the Kardashians? | ||
| A little bit. | ||
| It was amazing how they would mock him. | ||
| When he would always just be alone in a room upstairs watching TV. They would all be doing their thing and having fun without him. | ||
| Well, you know, ultimately, in the end, it seems like He's happier this way. | ||
| He's funny because... | ||
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She's happier. | |
| She's happier this way. | ||
| I'll say he, you say she. | ||
| Okay. | ||
| She's, you know, she seems happier. | ||
| And she is getting a lot of attention. | ||
| I mean, you want to talk about a titanic shift in attention. | ||
| I mean, it's a monstrous difference between like pre-transition and now. | ||
| There's a giant difference. | ||
| Like all of a sudden, like a center figure in culture. | ||
| I mean, and he is also one of those people who, like, he's talked about, like, trying on his, like, daughter's clothing. | ||
| Like, he's an autogonophile. | ||
| Also. | ||
| Which is fine. | ||
| I mean, do whatever. | ||
| But, like, he's funny because he's, like, anti-woke. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| And he's kind of critical of trans activism. | ||
| Well, definitely critical of transgender athletes in sports and wants to protect children. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| It's similar to what you said. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| I mean, he doesn't literally think he's a female. | ||
| This is how he wants to live his life and he feels better that way and fine. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| But like he did, he started off trying on women's clothing and being turned on by it and then would like wear pantyhose under his pants and, you know... | ||
| I'm being naughty. | ||
| Exactly! | ||
| Here's the thing about wearing pantyhose under your pants. | ||
| Who the fuck wants to wear pantyhose? | ||
| Pantyhose are disgusting! | ||
| Women don't wear pantyhose. | ||
| I know. | ||
| That drove me crazy too when I read that. | ||
| I was like, nobody wears pantyhose. | ||
| Like, kill me. | ||
| To make me wear, like, I don't, like, gross! | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| You don't wear pantyhose unless you're acting out some sort of a weird thing with your significant other when you pretend you'd be a secretary. | ||
| Your role-playing. | ||
| Right, right. | ||
| Can I get you something, sir? | ||
| I don't know. | ||
| I've never done that before. | ||
| You've never role-played? | ||
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Ha! | |
| Oh, God. | ||
| But you have karaoke. | ||
| I would, like, laugh if I did that. | ||
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Yeah, that's the part of the fun. | |
| I can't take myself seriously in that kind of scenario. | ||
| I'd be like, I will, Steven. | ||
| I mean, karaoke, yeah. | ||
| I just want to sing Beatles songs. | ||
| That is a sign of wanting to be naughty, right? | ||
| If you're wearing pantyhose. | ||
| But isn't it also a sign of like... | ||
| It's like the guys who... | ||
| I worked at like a video store in the aughts or whatever and this guy would come in sometimes at night with a leather motorcycle jacket on and then like Flash, he was wearing lingerie underneath. | ||
| Whoa. | ||
| It's exhibitionism, fetishism, maybe autogynophilia. | ||
| But isn't it also like they connect pantyhose with being a woman, and if you wish you were a woman, maybe that's something you'd be attracted to wearing. | ||
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Yeah, they have all these weird stereotypes about women. | |
| Used to be a Navy SEAL. Transitioned. | ||
| Oh yeah, you just... | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| And when Kristen was on the podcast, she actually talked about what that was like when she was first transitioning. | ||
| And she showed up at work with big nails on and wearing a dress and everybody was like, what the fuck is going on? | ||
| Like out of the blue? | ||
| Yep, out of the blue. | ||
| She just decided to go for it. | ||
| And then said, look, I'm the same person and talks in the same voice. | ||
| It's really wild, right? | ||
| But then it settled down and now is basically dresses, I don't want to say like asexual, but like a flannel shirt, which like a lot of women wear flannel shirts, jeans, a lot of women wear jeans. | ||
| Wasn't anything like definitely masculine or feminine about the way... | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| I mean, a lot of these men who transition to become women have these weird, super old-fashioned stereotypes about what a woman is and what women dress like. | ||
| Like, I, in Vancouver, mostly wore giant men's flannel shirts and, like, big men's boots and, like, jeans. | ||
| Or, like, I wear, like, dirty Converse and tube socks almost every day. | ||
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Right. | |
| So you could be transitioning. | ||
| Yeah, maybe I'm a boy. | ||
| If this was around when I was a kid, like maybe I would have thought I was a boy because I was like a tomboy. | ||
| Like I hated pink. | ||
| I didn't want to wear dresses. | ||
| I didn't want to do girl things. | ||
| I wanted to play with He-Man. | ||
| I like cut my hair short. | ||
| I wanted to hang out with the boys. | ||
| That's a problem that people are worried about with children, that children are so malleable. | ||
| And some people, they don't think you should be worried about it at all. | ||
| And they think you should allow people to discuss anything and everything with your child when it comes to gender, when it comes to sexual identity, all those things. | ||
| Say whatever you want. | ||
| Sexual orientation. | ||
| Talk about it with the kids. | ||
| Talk about it with the kids. | ||
| And other people are like, what the fuck are you talking about? | ||
| You're supposed to be teaching history. | ||
| You know, and it is a weird thing because children are so malleable. | ||
| Well, and also, like, why do teachers feel like they're the ones or feel entitled to, like, they're the ones who should be educating other people's children about their politics or their ideologies? | ||
| This is not your job. | ||
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It's complex. | |
| And it's also just as complex if my kid was going to school and there was a hardcore right-wing teacher that was telling them that all gays are evil. | ||
| I would not want that in my childhood either. | ||
| Or if somebody was teaching them about the Virgin Mary immaculate conception. | ||
| Is that okay? | ||
| Because essentially you're teaching kids your religion. | ||
| As far as I'm concerned, gender identity is a version of religion. | ||
| It's just an idea. | ||
| It's all faith-based. | ||
| There's no material reality. | ||
| There's no scientific basis for the idea that a man like you says, I'm a woman. | ||
| Oh, you're a woman. | ||
| What does that mean? | ||
| It means nothing. | ||
| It's all faith. | ||
| It's like, well, I believe him. | ||
| Okay, so it's faith-based. | ||
| This is a religion. | ||
| And you have to believe him. | ||
| It can never be someone's having a mental issue. | ||
| Gender dysphoria is even offensive to some people. | ||
| They don't even like the term gender dysphoria. | ||
| But that was a legitimate psychological term that they used to classify people that were having this issue. | ||
| Right. | ||
| I mean, now to be trans, you don't have to have so-called gender dysphoria. | ||
| I sort of think that term's imperfect myself because I sort of feel like it could be argued that everyone has some form of gender dysphoria because, like, say, like, I don't identify wholly with femininity. | ||
| Like, there's parts of me that are feminine. | ||
| There's some, like, girl things that I like. | ||
| And there's lots of aspects of my personality that I think are kind of masculine. | ||
| Like what? | ||
| I'm not nurturing at all. | ||
| I don't like babies. | ||
| I don't. | ||
| I've never. | ||
| I'm not joking. | ||
| Down with babies. | ||
| I've never wanted to have kids. | ||
| I've never desired it. | ||
| I don't really like... | ||
| I mean, some kids are cool. | ||
| I don't mean like, you know, kids are personalities. | ||
| Like, I like some kids, other ones... | ||
| But I'm not... | ||
| I don't look at a baby and I'm like, I'm like... | ||
| Got it. | ||
| I would rather look at a dog. | ||
| I love dogs. | ||
| I love dogs. | ||
| I think I'm kind of aggressive. | ||
| I'm kind of domineering. | ||
| I'm very rational. | ||
| That's like a stereotypically joking. | ||
| I'm not always very rational. | ||
| I mean, I'm a Libra, so that was a joke. | ||
| I don't take care of my boyfriends in any way at all. | ||
| Maybe emotionally or I'm affectionate and I'm loving, but I don't cook and clean. | ||
| My boyfriends tend to take care of me more than the other way around. | ||
| Are you a boss bitch? | ||
| I'm not very easy. | ||
| Isn't that a good thing though? | ||
| Being a boss bitch is like a good thing. | ||
| That's what the rappers... | ||
| I feel like my... | ||
| I'm not like the kind of chick who's like really easy going in a relationship. | ||
| You're a lot of work? | ||
| I'm pretty difficult. | ||
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Really? | |
| And you seem to celebrate that. | ||
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Well, I can't help it. | |
| I don't think it's always a good thing. | ||
| I want to talk everything through. | ||
| I want everything to be out in the open. | ||
| If I'm upset about something, I cannot say it. | ||
| You've probably noticed I'm not very good at not saying what I think. | ||
| And in a relationship that can be challenging. | ||
| I feel like a lot of people... | ||
| I think it's a good thing. | ||
| I think you should be open and talk about things in a relationship. | ||
| But I feel like people who are able to maintain really long-term relationships and marriages often, not always, of course, are the kinds of people who don't say everything they think and don't feel like they need to be like, I didn't like that. | ||
| What's going on? | ||
| I want to talk about this. | ||
| They're sort of like let things lie. | ||
| And I'm not a let things lie person. | ||
| Got it. | ||
| So that's good if you want to be a social commentator, because you're not going to bite your tongue. | ||
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Yeah. | |
| Yeah, and that makes sense. | ||
| Because a lot of people don't want to experience the backlash that you've experienced for expressing your opinions on things. | ||
| Yep. | ||
| Yeah, most people don't. | ||
| I mean, what's interesting about... | ||
| People go after you a lot. | ||
| People go after people like me. | ||
| People go after people who have platforms and share their opinions. | ||
| And I don't think that they... | ||
| I don't know if a lot of people understand that it's like... | ||
| I think it takes a certain personality to do this. | ||
| You have to be able to take a lot of flack and I think that most people don't do that. | ||
| And you have to be the kind of person who really... | ||
| It's very, very, very important to say what you think and to speak openly and to tell the truth. | ||
| And I think what I've learned in the past few years and in doing this work is that's not what most people feel. | ||
| A lot of people are content not saying what they think. | ||
| And not being authentic and not being honest. | ||
| Like, that's not a need for them. | ||
| And for me, it's a need. | ||
| Like, I would feel... | ||
| I don't feel like I could function if I wasn't able to, like, fully be myself. | ||
| I know what you're saying. | ||
| People have very specific personality traits that make them more effective at different jobs. | ||
| And for what you do, it's a perfect personality for that job. | ||
| But I know what you're saying in terms of You're not necessarily all the way feminine, but that's not gender dysphoria. | ||
| That's such a different thing than someone who really does think they're a man who happens to have a vagina. | ||
| I totally agree with you. | ||
| I've never been confused about whether I'm a woman or not. | ||
| My argument is that the term... | ||
| Because gender... | ||
| People mess up gender and sex all the time. | ||
| When I'm talking about sex, I'm just talking about biology. | ||
| Whether you have a male or a female body. | ||
| To me, when I'm talking about gender, I'm talking about sex stereotypes. | ||
| So masculinity and femininity and those stereotypes that I was talking about before. | ||
| Women are supposedly... | ||
| Nurturing and delicate and emotional and irrational. | ||
| And men are... | ||
| And some of these are true because of evolution. | ||
| Like, to a certain extent, there's patterns. | ||
| But people are not black and white. | ||
| You know, men are domineering, violent, rational, aggressive. | ||
| What else is there? | ||
| They like to jerk off during Zoom meetings. | ||
| LAUGHTER Have any women been caught masturbating? | ||
| I do not think so. | ||
| I don't think so. | ||
| I don't think so. | ||
| That's what's wild, right? | ||
| Why are men more perverted than women? | ||
| Testosterone, for sure. | ||
| Yeah, for sure. | ||
| I think... | ||
| I mean, I don't know. | ||
| I've never been a woman. | ||
| Not yet. | ||
| It has to be. | ||
| Not yet, at least. | ||
| You never know. | ||
| You never know. | ||
| It could happen. | ||
| But I think it's testosterone. | ||
| I think it makes... | ||
| Like, if you think about it, it's connected to aggression and sexuality, right? | ||
| So there's not much in a woman that's connected to being horny, but also to being aggressive. | ||
| Testosterone is really the only thing that does both of those things. | ||
| So do you think that it's like men have more of an uncontrollable sexual urge? | ||
| I would have no idea. | ||
| Okay. | ||
| I have to guess. | ||
| It's clearly a spectrum, because there's men that aren't interested in sex at all, and there's men that are horny all the time, and it's the same with women. | ||
| That's true. | ||
| Yeah, I know. | ||
| I actually get really mad when people talk about, like, men have a high sexual libido and women have a low sexual libido. | ||
| And then that plays into this, like, kind of gatekeeping role that women are supposed to play. | ||
| Like, women have sexual power because they can choose not to have sex with a man. | ||
| And it's like, women like to have sex, too. | ||
| Like, I don't want to choose to not have sex with a man. | ||
| I want to have sex with a man. | ||
| Like, I'm a heterosexual woman. | ||
| I also desire sex. | ||
| Like, I don't want to be in this role where I'm saying no to something that I actually want to do. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| But it's also, it's not like it's a one-way street. | ||
| And yeah, and there are, it's, there's, I, like, I have friends who've had boyfriends who, like, didn't feel like having sex almost ever. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| Yeah, that's an issue. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| It happens. | ||
| It's like with everything, there's just a lot of variables. | ||
| And whenever you generalize like that, men want this and women want that, like, what fucking men? | ||
| What women? | ||
| Well, and it's like, do you talk to people in real life? | ||
| Because I talk to a lot of people in real life, and people are diverse. | ||
| They really are. | ||
| They really are. | ||
| And that's the problem with things like the left and the right, is that when you get into an ideology and you're in a tribe, I'm in the tribe of the left, and so I have to subscribe to all the same things that these people subscribe to. | ||
| You know, I have to take on all their notions that I think are ridiculous. | ||
| I have to say it without any questioning. | ||
| I have to repeat the mantra. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| That's what's going on. | ||
| And you have to use the exact right language and the language changes all the time. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| Okay, so the gender thing, I feel like I was trying to finish a thought. | ||
| When I'm talking about gender, I'm talking about those stereotypes about men and women. | ||
| Right. | ||
| That are really just personality traits often. | ||
| Right. | ||
| Some women are more aggressive and less nurturing. | ||
| Some women are super nurturing and delicate and emotional or whatever. | ||
| So the term gender dysphoria, I think, bothers me just because of that. | ||
| Because it sounds to me then like you're just identifying with these gender stereotypes. | ||
| Which should be fine. | ||
| Like, you should be able to, you know, identify with whatever personality traits you identify with. | ||
| You should be able to like whatever clothes you like. | ||
| Like, if you're a man and you want to wear a dress and you don't feel very masculine or you don't have a high sex drive or you don't want to, like... | ||
| Fight? | ||
| That's fine. | ||
| Like, be whoever you want to be. | ||
| I agree with, like, I think gender dysphoria refers to something different, which is a very, very strong, overwhelming desire to actually be the opposite sex or, you know, to get rid of your sexed body parts. | ||
| What do you think those caused this massive uptick in the public's understanding discussion of it? | ||
| Like, when did this become something that's on the front line? | ||
| I mean, it's so weird because all of the gender identity legislation was sort of presented and passed around the same time. | ||
| It seemed like everything happened simultaneously at once in a lot of countries like Canada, Australia, New Zealand, the UK, the US. And I don't know exactly how that went down, but I think those activists, like the trans activists, were very well organized. | ||
| I think that part of it, you know, other people have theorized around this, so these are not my ideas coming out of nowhere. | ||
| You know, once gay marriage was won, there wasn't much for these LGBT organizations to do and fight for anymore, so there's no reason for them to get funding so they latched onto the trans rights thing so that they could continue to exist, people could keep their jobs, you know, so they could continue to get funding. | ||
| Because I don't know, where do you go with the gay rights fight now in Canada and America? | ||
| Like there's not that much to fight for anymore. | ||
| That's sort of been one. | ||
| Right. | ||
| Marriage is legal. | ||
| Discrimination is illegal. | ||
| Yeah, you can't fire somebody from their job for being gay. | ||
| Public acceptance is much higher. | ||
| I have a friend who's gay who thinks that a lot of the transgender movement is homophobic. | ||
| It is homophobic. | ||
| But it's weird. | ||
| I mean, like, in what way? | ||
| He's like, well, if you don't believe in males and females, you don't believe there's a distinction. | ||
| He was like, then what about gay men? | ||
| Men who are absolutely attracted to men? | ||
| Like, are they... | ||
| And then if you're telling a lot of them that these men are actually really females and they should just transition, he's like, I think that there's a homophobia attached to that. | ||
| And I'm like, okay, why do you think it is? | ||
| I mean, I absolutely agree with that, because how can you be same-sex attracted if there's no sex? | ||
| Gay people aren't attracted to gender, they're attracted to sex. | ||
| Males who are gay are attracted to men with male bodies. | ||
| They're not attracted to women who are dressing like men or acting like men. | ||
| And lesbians have made this argument for a long time, too, that trans activism, gender identity ideology is homophobic. | ||
| They're like, no, I'm attracted to women. | ||
| I love women. | ||
| I want to have sex with women. | ||
| I don't want to have sex with a man who claims to be a woman or dresses like a woman. | ||
| And, you know, lesbians have been super bullied in their own communities over this and over being critical of like trans women being welcomed into the lesbian community or being pressured to date trans women. | ||
| And, you know, Abigail Schreier does a bunch of research on... | ||
| You know, young girls are transitioning at really high rates now. | ||
| It used to be that more boys were transitioning. | ||
| Now it's that more girls are transitioning. | ||
| And often those girls are lesbians. | ||
| Like, it's not cool to be a lesbian anymore. | ||
| It's cool to be queer. | ||
| It's cool to be non-binary. | ||
| It's cool to be a trans boy. | ||
| I think what Abigail's talking about, she's talking about that they happen also in clusters. | ||
| And she thinks that there's some peer pressure involved and there's a, I think she calls it a social contagion. | ||
| Yeah, that's right. | ||
| That you get praise for wanting to transition or for transitioning. | ||
| The non-binary thing is the weirdest one because you could just jump on board. | ||
| It's so stupid. | ||
| You could just say, I'm non-binary. | ||
| Well, anybody is non-binary. | ||
| We know this guy who's non-binary and he fucks all these girls. | ||
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It's hilarious. | |
| You're like, so you're a heterosexual man then, huh? | ||
| He's a hustler. | ||
| H-U-S-T-L-E-R, hustler. | ||
| He found the thing. | ||
| Like, that's how you get in and bang woke chicks. | ||
| Ew, I would never want to fuck a non-binary man. | ||
| I mean, maybe he's really non-binary. | ||
| I don't know. | ||
| There's no such thing as non-binary. | ||
| That's not a real concept. | ||
| What does that mean? | ||
| He's not a man. | ||
| He's not a woman. | ||
| That's impossible. | ||
| Everybody is a man or a woman. | ||
| Listen, when he fucks women, he's not doing it as a man. | ||
| He's doing it as a they. | ||
| That is a gender neutral penis. | ||
| He's doing it as a they and you have some fucking respect. | ||
| That is gender-neutral sperm. | ||
| It is a wild thing, right? | ||
| That that is also... | ||
| Like, people will get as mad at you as if you fucking hit a baby with a car. | ||
| I don't... | ||
| People get real emotional about it. | ||
| But, I mean... | ||
| I think... | ||
| I don't know why people get so emotional about this trans woman or women thing. | ||
| Like, I don't know why... | ||
| You, as a random woman, would be... | ||
| Because women get mad about it. | ||
| Women have gotten mad at me. | ||
| Lots of women have gotten mad and been like, trans women are women. | ||
| You should accept their identity. | ||
| And I'm like, first of all, this is stupid and doesn't make any sense, but why do you care so much? | ||
| Who are you protecting? | ||
| What is your investment in this issue? | ||
| And I would tend to think that it's about... | ||
| Presenting yourself as and thinking of yourself as a good person, you're very invested in. | ||
| I'm a good person. | ||
| I'm a progressive person. | ||
| I'm accepting. | ||
| I'm inclusive. | ||
| I support diversity, equality, all those words, yada, yada, yada. | ||
| But some of them really do seem, like, some of it I think is phony, but some of these people do seem to really get enraged. | ||
| Like, enraged at me if I don't want to use correct pronouns. | ||
| And it's like... | ||
| Why? | ||
| Why are you so offended by this? | ||
| Well, there's also the fear of being ostracized from the group. | ||
| If you don't do that, if you don't go along, if you decided that you're a progressive person, you don't go along with all these things, you can get ostracized to the group or from the group. | ||
| Oh, totally. | ||
| And it's scary out there on your own because what else are you going to do? | ||
| Are you going to be a Trump supporter? | ||
| God forbid. | ||
| That's what we've polarized the country to where you are either a progressive or you're a Democrat who tolerates progressives or you're a person who doesn't like the Republicans. | ||
| You keep going further and further left. | ||
| You're like, never Trump. | ||
| And then a lot of those people, they get lumped into this thing and you think of them only as the most radical of the people in the group that are the loudest, which is the hardcore left-wing people, the Antifa type people. | ||
| Whereas on the right, what's the worst thing? | ||
| Would they go to the Proud Boys or some white supremacist organization? | ||
| That's what people think of. | ||
| The January 6th people, that's what people think of. | ||
| So you're either with the January 6th people or you're with Antifa. | ||
| Literally, that's what it is on both sides. | ||
| When you get to the furthest edges, it's equally crazy. | ||
| And it's equally crazy in these predictable, adoptable patterns that these people have to subscribe to if they want to be a part of the ideology, whether it's the right ideology or the left ideology. | ||
| Either you want to throw Molotov cocktails at the State House and call everybody a fascist, or you want to take zip ties to the fucking Capitol building and look for a senator to tie up. | ||
| It's the same fucking person. | ||
| They just found different ways to port that crazy out into the universe. | ||
| Totally. | ||
| And I mean, the binary thinking is, I mean, I talked about this a bit earlier, but this is what people are doing to me constantly now that I've been talking about leaving the left or not wanting to identify as left wing. | ||
| Like, I just want to be an independent. | ||
| I'm not identifying anywhere. | ||
| I don't plan on, I don't want to categorize myself or label myself in any way. | ||
| So you're far right. | ||
| How long have you been far right, Megan? | ||
| You're sounding like a Trumpist. | ||
| There's certain shows out there that will just immediately call you far right if you don't agree with the orthodoxy. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| And that's what people have been doing to me. | ||
| And it drives me crazy. | ||
| I need to stop getting upset about this, but I can't. | ||
| I always get very, very upset about being misunderstood. | ||
| And I know you can't control that. | ||
| People are going to misrepresent you. | ||
| They're going to misunderstand you, especially if you're a public figure. | ||
| You're just a soul whose intentions are good. | ||
| Thank you, exactly. | ||
| Oh Lord, please don't let me be misunderstood. | ||
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Be misunderstood. | |
| Yeah, but that's part of your gift is that you have the courage to talk about things that other people find uncomfortable and say them from an honest perspective. | ||
| Like, this is what I'm seeing. | ||
| This is what I don't like. | ||
| This is what I think. | ||
| And then also back it up with like, other people are seeing it too. | ||
| And this is not like, this is something that the warning bells were rang. | ||
| The distinction between males and females is very weird when it plays out in sports and in games and stuff like that. | ||
| I'm always fascinated by that because there's clearly great women athletes and you've got your stories like Jermaine Durand and me knocking out that guy. | ||
| But where it gets weird is other games that don't involve physical strength. | ||
| One of them is pool. | ||
| That's interesting, actually, because men are more inclined. | ||
| Way more men play pool than women. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| Are men actually better at pool than women? | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| Oh, yeah. | ||
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A lot better. | |
| I mean, I'm really bad at pool. | ||
| I'm quite good at foosball, though. | ||
| Okay. | ||
| Well, they're very different things. | ||
| When we talk about professional billiards, it's almost like it's not as far apart as the outlier female kickboxer knocking out the male kickboxer. | ||
| It's not that far apart. | ||
| But no women win competitions. | ||
| If they want to enter into an open. | ||
| Say they have women's professional tournaments where women compete against women. | ||
| Everything else is open. | ||
| So if there's a US Open, women compete in the US Open, the World Championships. | ||
| Women can compete against the men. | ||
| They can compete, but they never win. | ||
| There's women out there that are very good, and they're capable of winning a match. | ||
| The way a pool game is played, depending on what tournament it is, It could be, say, a race to ten. | ||
| So if we're playing nine ball, if you pocket the nine ten times and I pocket it seven times, you win because you made it to ten quicker. | ||
| You won ten games faster. | ||
| So a woman can win in a race to ten, but they never win the whole tournament. | ||
| A man always winds up beating them, which is odd because it's not a physical strength thing. | ||
| There's nothing. | ||
| Yeah, why would that be? | ||
| Because that, I feel like, is wholly skill and precision. | ||
| There's women that are very, very, very, very, very good, but they're not as good as the world champion men. | ||
| I wonder why that is. | ||
| There must be some science behind that. | ||
| I think they've tried to narrow it down to an understanding of 3D space that's different for males than it is for women. | ||
| Maybe that has something to do with testosterone. | ||
| There's quite a few women that are really good that are lesbians, which is interesting. | ||
| I don't know what it is, but it's one of those things. | ||
| It's like, what if someone identified as a woman? | ||
| They were an elite professional pool player, and they just started cleaning up in the women's division. | ||
| You wouldn't really have a good argument that they have an advantage, because it's not a strength advantage. | ||
| It's not a speed advantage. | ||
| So what is the advantage? | ||
| Well, maybe there is one. | ||
| I mean, I don't know what it is, but there's some sexed advantage. | ||
| The only advantage that you would ever have in strength is in the break shot. | ||
| Right. | ||
| But that's not going to win you. | ||
| It's not that big of a deal. | ||
| A lot of people kind of soft break today. | ||
| They don't break that hard. | ||
| They want to make the one ball on the side or make the corner ball, and sometimes it's actually better to not hit it too hard. | ||
| But that would be the only thing that would involve physical strength. | ||
| I mean it seems to me that like there's only a few competitions where men and women can compete against one another sort of on an equal playing field and one of those I'm told is like shooting like rifle well that makes sense yeah because you're basically just aiming and breath control I would think if the rifle was heavy that would be an issue but pistols yeah and pistols I mean, it doesn't seem... | ||
| I don't know, like, if men started identifying as women to compete in figure skating, would that, like, screw over women in figure skating? | ||
| That's a good question. | ||
| More strength. | ||
| More strength in the legs, more explosivity. | ||
| But are they judged by how high they jump? | ||
| They're just judged on doing the things perfectly. | ||
| Right. | ||
| But doesn't the difficulty factor in? | ||
| Maybe. | ||
| I think it does. | ||
| You know, if they have more leg strength, I would believe they could leap higher and spin more. | ||
| For sure. | ||
| I mean, that's sort of like the thing with skateboarding, too, eh? | ||
| Right, right, right. | ||
| Like, it's like those, they can jump higher and farther and, like, they can move faster. | ||
| Right. | ||
| And again, what specifically do you have to prove if you want to compete as a woman? | ||
| Do they test you? | ||
| Do they make sure that you aren't taking testosterone? | ||
| Do they test you to make sure that you're taking estrogen? | ||
| Do they check your testosterone levels? | ||
| Not in skateboarding. | ||
| Well, that's crazy. | ||
| Isn't that crazy? | ||
| Because if it is a physical thing, which it clearly is, like the best skateboarders are very good athletes, what they do is incredible. | ||
| It's hard to do. | ||
| So if that's the case, then you would think that you would want to make sure that someone isn't taking performance-enhancing drugs. | ||
| I mean, maybe they will at some point. | ||
| Or maybe if we were talking about at the Olympic level, I don't think that it's come up in skateboarding at the Olympic level. | ||
| I mean, that's relatively new that they've included. | ||
| When did skateboarding get into the Olympics? | ||
| I think maybe just like the last Olympics. | ||
| Like, I'm not an expert, but it was recent. | ||
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So they definitely tested there. | |
| They definitely tested there. | ||
| But in regular competition, like it's probably not been that big of an issue so far for them to really have to deal with it. | ||
| Like Taylor is probably the first person who's ever spoken out about this in skateboarding. | ||
| Like it's been talked about in other sports, track, swimming, MMA, like weightlifting. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| And those ones are easier because they're so obvious. | ||
| I mean, people are obviously still going along with it anyway, but it's very obvious. | ||
| Like when you look at, there's like a photo of Leah Thomas at the swim meet and they're all diving and he's like two feet higher than all the rest of the chicks and immediately farther along. | ||
| And he's also just obviously bigger. | ||
| Way bigger. | ||
| He's a tall, big dude. | ||
| Who was a really good swimmer as a man, which is nuts. | ||
| A year ago. | ||
| Yeah, exactly. | ||
| He started doing hormone replacement therapy a year ago. | ||
| Someone told me that Leah is still intact. | ||
| Probably. | ||
| And dates girls. | ||
| Probably. | ||
| I don't know. | ||
| Is that true? | ||
| Most guys who identify as trans women are still intact and date girls. | ||
| Like, that's a horrible surgery to get, to get your dick cut off and inverted into, like, a neovagina that's not supposed to be there. | ||
| Did you just call it a neovagina? | ||
| That's what they call it, a neovagina. | ||
| That's what they call it? | ||
| Well, that's probably not what transactivists call that, but I think, like, if you're going to, like, read a research paper or something like that, that's what they would call it, or surgeons call it a neovagina. | ||
| But, like, it's a hole that wants to keep closing up because it's not supposed to be there. | ||
| Like, it's not... | ||
| It's hard to maintain its gross for reasons that I let people imagine. | ||
| It doesn't function like a vagina. | ||
| Vaginas are supposed to be there. | ||
| They operate in a specific way that's conducive to sexual intercourse. | ||
| They are self-cleaning, which is not the case for a surgical hole that's been an inverted penis. | ||
| The men will grow hair on the inside. | ||
| Do you know what I mean? | ||
| Oh, boy. | ||
| Because it's from their ball sack. | ||
| It's that skin. | ||
| Oh, Jesus. | ||
| And it smells bad. | ||
| Anyway, and also, they're really complicated surgery, and there can be complications really easily, and there's more than one. | ||
| You have to have a bunch of surgeries to get all this done. | ||
| Yeah? | ||
| And you might end up not being able to have sexual pleasure. | ||
| The other way around is really horrific. | ||
| Women who are transitioning to men and want a fake penis attached, they take the skin off of your arm. | ||
| Yeah, I've seen that. | ||
| And that's a bunch of surgeries. | ||
| And you don't get a functional penis, do you? | ||
| Not really. | ||
| And sometimes it doesn't take, right? | ||
| Sometimes your body rejects it and you have to try again a number of times. | ||
| It's really gross. | ||
| And then, yeah, it's like then you can't cum. | ||
| Like, what is even the point? | ||
| What is the point of having a penis if you can't, like, have sexual pleasure and you can't have an orgasm? | ||
| What does the penis do then? | ||
| I don't know, but there was a cover of a magazine that showed this person who had just transitioned and had a big scar on their leg. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| And had a giant old hog. | ||
| Yeah, I read that. | ||
| What was her name? | ||
| She was a journalist. | ||
| I go, God, I can't remember her name. | ||
| I wrote something about that. | ||
| She's a journalist and she'd, you know, she'd reported in like war-torn countries and had been traumatized by witnessing some pretty horrible sexual assault. | ||
| And she had a history of sexual abuse, like she'd been molested as a kid. | ||
| I think that kind of stuff factors into transition too, especially for women. | ||
| It's like naturally you want to get rid of your sexualized body if... | ||
| You, in your brain, are like, well, these men did these things to me when I started developing. | ||
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| You want to go back to not being a sexual-looking woman. | ||
| But she, yeah, she decided to be a man, and they did a cover story, and she had this giant, like a giant hole in her thigh kind of thing from where they'd taken the skin and turned it into her fake penis. | ||
| It's a horrible thing to go through. | ||
| I think that these people are often trying to deal with mental problems in physical or superficial ways. | ||
| And now we live in a culture where a therapist isn't allowed to challenge you. | ||
| If you go to a therapist and you're a young woman and you say, I'm a boy, you have to take an affirmative approach and say, okay, yeah, you're a boy. | ||
| Go get some hormones. | ||
| We can give you a mastectomy and a hysterectomy. | ||
| So they're not being questioned about anything else that it might be connected to, past trauma. | ||
| Are you sure that all therapists behave the same way in this? | ||
| Well, I think therapists are scared. | ||
| So probably not all therapists, but these therapists don't want to be accused of transphobia and then lose their careers. | ||
| So I think that most therapists are going along because they could get in a lot of trouble if they don't. | ||
| It's so complex because you want people to do what makes them happy. | ||
| I want people to have the choice, and I don't know how you feel. | ||
| I don't know how someone feels. | ||
| When someone says to me that I've always known that I was a woman, I don't have any idea how they feel. | ||
| Neither do I! So I have to take them at their word. | ||
| I mean, what does it mean to feel like a woman? | ||
| I have no idea what it means. | ||
| I don't feel like a woman. | ||
| I just feel like me. | ||
| Right, but you are a woman. | ||
| See, you are a woman and you feel like you. | ||
| And it feels like it syncs up. | ||
| But imagine if you were a man and you felt like you should feel like you. | ||
| You felt like you should look like you. | ||
| You should be like you. | ||
| Like you like the things that a girl likes. | ||
| But you feel like somehow or another nature's throwing you a curveball. | ||
| And you have a male body, but you have a female mind. | ||
| Really weird. | ||
| No, I can imagine that. | ||
| It's got to be real. | ||
| I think we're dealing with many things. | ||
| I think we're dealing with legitimate people that are trans people. | ||
| I don't want to delegitimize anybody, but by the word legitimate I mean there's an issue where they genuinely, from the moment they were born, have felt like a girl and they're confused and they don't understand why. | ||
| And everything else is great and if they transition, they'll be happier. | ||
| I think those people exist. | ||
| But I also think all the other things that you said are true, too. | ||
| The statistics about people who felt like they were trans when they were young and then eventually became gay men. | ||
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Those are very high, right? | |
| And lesbians. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| Like, lesbians. | ||
| Like, there's a lot of girls. | ||
| And I've interviewed these girls. | ||
| Who think they were boys and turn out to be lesbians. | ||
| Yeah, who, when they're teenagers, like, older teenagers usually are like, well, you know, like, I don't feel like I fit in. | ||
| I feel like I'm not a girl. | ||
| Like, I like other girls and I don't want to wear girly clothes. | ||
| And I don't, like, I must be a boy. | ||
| And then they transition and a couple years down the line they're like, I'm not a boy, I'm a lesbian. | ||
| So there's all these things. | ||
| So how do you know what's what? | ||
| How do you know who's getting influenced by culture and society? | ||
| And one of the things about Kristen Beck is that she grew up in a fucking military town, like in a small town in the middle of nowhere in Texas and did not have any transgender ideology. | ||
| So all of the ideas that that was pushed on her or that she was indoctrinated, it doesn't work with her. | ||
| So for sure, there are people out there that are experiencing the same thing that Kristen Beck experienced, the same thing other people experience too, where they feel like they're in the wrong body. | ||
| And then also for sure, there's people like Abigail Schreier is talking about that may be being influenced by the trendiness of it, by the social contagion aspect of it. | ||
| We have to be able to look at all these possibilities and to say that it's binary. | ||
| Either you are a woman or you're a man. | ||
| You recognize yourself as a woman or a man or that's it. | ||
| And you are. | ||
| Oh, you are a woman. | ||
| You've always been a woman. | ||
| Okay. | ||
| I guess I'm a woman. | ||
| To make it like that and to avoid all nuance. | ||
| And to avoid all these other possibilities, to avoid this term, gender dysphoria, to avoid all of this information about whether or not this is even effective or if it makes people happy. | ||
| What is going on? | ||
| As soon as you can't discuss an issue without being fearful of being attacked by people that don't agree with you, It becomes very problematic because people get scared. | ||
| They become cowards. | ||
| And you get people on one side that will virtue signal and they'll claim to fight against you. | ||
| You know, she's a piece of shit. | ||
| I fucking hate her. | ||
| We gotta take her down. | ||
| Yeah, we gotta take her down. | ||
| And they'll do it to, like, let the tribe know that they're on the right side. | ||
| And you also, like, hack political commentators that'll do that. | ||
| And they're just doing it because they're just dumb and sloppy. | ||
| And that's how they behave. | ||
| And they'll find something that they can rally against. | ||
| And it's good for clicks, you know? | ||
| Yeah, I mean, they need a headline. | ||
| Yeah, they need something to fight against because they don't really have interesting, nuanced opinions. | ||
| They have, you know, it's bullshit culture. | ||
| This hot take culture, it's a wild culture because there's a whole industry of hot take assholes out there and all they do is live for hot takes. | ||
| And what they don't understand is people lose all faith in your actual opinions on things when you're just doing these hot takes. | ||
| Because now I don't know you. | ||
| I don't know you. | ||
| I know the titles of these outrageous clips. | ||
| I know you screaming at the camera. | ||
| I know all the stuff that people do. | ||
| Or crying on the camera about all the harassment that you got as a female journalist online before you went and tried to ruin somebody else's life. | ||
| Yeah, there's a lot of those too. | ||
| But I don't know them, because they're not honest. | ||
| And that's why they don't resonate. | ||
| That's why it doesn't work well. | ||
| I mean, that's gotta, like, harm those people who are doing it, too. | ||
| Because imagine if you were under that kind of pressure to continue, like, to come up with hot takes on, like, a variety of subjects every single day. | ||
| Like, I don't write about something unless, like, I've thought about it a lot. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| Like, I'm not gonna, like, just be like, oh, what's your opinion on this? | ||
| Like, some of it, some... | ||
| I'll have some answers for some questions if it's stuff that I've thought about. | ||
| I think this, I think that. | ||
| But if it's something I don't know, I'm just going to be like, I don't know. | ||
| I don't know anything about this. | ||
| I don't have an opinion. | ||
| Writing is very different than hot takes because I have hot takes on things. | ||
| What do you think about fat phobia? | ||
| I think it's bullshit. | ||
| Listen, I'm a healthy person by effort. | ||
| I work out very hard at it. | ||
| I've been doing it my whole life. | ||
| The idea that you have the same... | ||
| The idea that a person can decide to eat unhealthy, to let their body balloon to morbid obesity, and you don't discuss that, you don't ever bring that up, you don't tell them that, you don't say it's unhealthy. | ||
| The doctor's not allowed to tell you that? | ||
| There's even doctors that will lie and cite nonsense and pretend that it's healthy to be fat and there's nothing wrong with it and actually dieting is unhealthy. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| There's so many things that are linked to obesity, so many diseases, so many problems. | ||
| People will say, oh, skinny people can be unhealthy too. | ||
| It's true. | ||
| Yep. | ||
| It's totally true. | ||
| They're right, but not to the same numbers. | ||
| They're not even close, unless you're talking about anorexics. | ||
| If you talk about people that are up optimum weight, the amount of, I mean, depending upon their diet, of course, I mean, someone could have a terrible diet and you get a bunch of diseases that are connected to that, but obesity is a rough one. | ||
| That's one of the things we learned during COVID. There was one point in time where 78% of the people who were in the ICU were obese. | ||
| It makes me so angry. | ||
| It makes me so angry that they created all this hysteria around COVID and pretended that anybody could just die of COVID in a second when we knew full well that it was old people and fat people, really unhealthy people. | ||
| And it's like, Shut down the gyms. | ||
| Shut down the gyms because people who are unhealthy and fat are dying of this disease. | ||
| So shut down healthy people's lives and force them to be unhealthy. | ||
| That's the solution. | ||
| Well, I think it was an interesting case because it clearly was more dangerous than anything we've ever experienced before in terms of infectious disease. | ||
| It's clearly more dangerous than the flu, clearly more dangerous than a lot of things. | ||
| But you weren't allowed to look at it like you look at those other things. | ||
| But everybody wasn't at equal risk. | ||
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No, no, no. | |
| They were not. | ||
| But a lot of people who you didn't think were at risk got fucked up by it too, which is really interesting because I don't think it's even across the board. | ||
| Look, I think there's a high probability that that fucking thing came from a lab. | ||
| And it behaves like something that came from a lab. | ||
| And that's why it's wild. | ||
| It's wild because there's people that have, you know, no problem with the flu. | ||
| And they got fucking wrecked by COVID. Like, real bad. | ||
| Lungs scarred, decreased oxygen capacity, decreased cardiovascular output, all that stuff. | ||
| I don't know a single person who had, like, a horrible experience with COVID. Oh, I do. | ||
| I tested positive and I had zero symptoms. | ||
| Well, let me tell you about Hamzat Chemayev, okay? | ||
| Because Hamzat Chemayev is one of the best fighters in the UFC, one of the best up-and-coming contenders. | ||
| He was hospitalized multiple times for COVID. He was spitting blood up in his toilet bowl and tried to retire, coughing blood up in the toilet. | ||
| Because of COVID? Because of COVID. Yeah. | ||
| Crazy. | ||
| Yeah, and he's a fucking elite top of the food chain assassin. | ||
| But here's what happened. | ||
| He didn't give himself a chance to recover. | ||
| He got COVID and he tried to train. | ||
| And he was training while he had COVID and he fucked himself up and he, you know, it got stronger. | ||
| And then he was admitted to the ICU. He almost died. | ||
| He was admitted to the hospital more than once on multiple occasions. | ||
| Because he's just fucking psycho and he kept training and he didn't give his body a chance to recover. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| I mean, I'm not saying I haven't heard these stories. | ||
| I'm literally talking about people I know in real life. | ||
| And everybody that I know in real life who got COVID, like, stayed home in bed until they felt better. | ||
| My friend Michael Yeo got COVID. And he got COVID early on in the pandemic. | ||
| And he was hospitalized for weeks. | ||
| And he thought he was going to die. | ||
| And it was real bad. | ||
| But I don't know whether or not he was healthy at the time. | ||
| I know he was exhausted. | ||
| He told me the whole story of how he flew to New York, did press, flew back, drove to Vegas with his family, and then drove back the next day and then tested positive for COVID and was wrecked. | ||
| But just doing that alone, that's six hours of driving, after flying, hanging out with your wife's family, everybody getting together, probably having a couple cocktails, laughing, not getting enough sleep, jet lagged. | ||
| Well, that's how you get real sick. | ||
| Like, I got a cold that turned into bronchitis and then turned into frickin' pneumonia. | ||
| Right. | ||
| Because I had to travel. | ||
| Right, exactly. | ||
| Because I was, like, way overtired. | ||
| I couldn't take care of myself. | ||
| I couldn't get, like, the vitamins that I needed. | ||
| I couldn't rest enough. | ||
| I couldn't get the food that I needed. | ||
| I had to go on all these planes. | ||
| I had to work. | ||
| And I just, like, yeah, I couldn't heal. | ||
| And so it turned into pneumonia. | ||
| Exactly. | ||
| And that is something that happens to people with COVID. So that's what gets the really healthy people. | ||
| So when they bring that up as an example... | ||
| The problem is, if you are a person that has to fly and has to work late and has to do things where you're not getting enough sleep, then it's fucking dangerous. | ||
| Because if you're taxed out and that hits you. | ||
| When it got me, the first day I was like, whoa. | ||
| I was like, this is fucking strong. | ||
| I was like, this is interesting. | ||
| Because it hits you so quick. | ||
| I was like, from the moment I was on the plane, I was feeling funky. | ||
| And then I just thought I was hungover. | ||
| And then I got back to Texas, and that night I was sweating. | ||
| And I was freezing. | ||
| I sweat through three different pairs of sweatpants. | ||
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| Or a sweatshirt and a hood been freezing, right? | ||
| So I'd change, shiver in, put a new one on, get back under the covers. | ||
| I was sleeping by myself. | ||
| I told my wife I was probably sick and then I moved to the other side of the bed and moved to her side and soaked that side too. | ||
| But that's because of all those things that I said. | ||
| I was drinking. | ||
| I was flying. | ||
| I was in Florida. | ||
| We played pool until 3.30 in the morning. | ||
| And I had like five margaritas. | ||
| And then the next day did a show and then flew back that night. | ||
| So it was a lot of environmental stress, alcohol, shows, this, that, the other thing. | ||
| But I still got over it pretty quick. | ||
| But that's how illness works. | ||
| That's how you get sick and then you get too sick. | ||
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Exactly. | |
| My whole family had it at one point in time early in the pandemic and I didn't get it and I didn't do anything to avoid it. | ||
| I didn't do anything. | ||
| I was hugging my kids when I had it and I felt weak a couple of days. | ||
| I was like, whoa, I wonder if this is going to get me. | ||
| Like when I would go to work out, I knew something was going on. | ||
| It did not feel normal. | ||
| So I said, it was at my house. | ||
| And I had five days off. | ||
| So I was like, we could figure this out. | ||
| I'm like, let's just see what's going on here. | ||
| And so I worked out. | ||
| And when I worked out, I was like, something's wrong. | ||
| This does not feel like me. | ||
| I'm like, I'm just going to go light and break a sweat and don't be an asshole. | ||
| And I did that two days in a row, and then by the third day I got into the gym, I'm like, I feel pretty fucking good. | ||
| And then I worked out pretty hard. | ||
| But I tested negative every day. | ||
| I never tested positive. | ||
| I tested myself every single day. | ||
| That's funny because the one time that I thought that I got it and I was like, this is weird. | ||
| And I couldn't get out of bed. | ||
| I was just exhausted. | ||
| I was sweating a lot too. | ||
| And I had this weird dry cough that never turned anything. | ||
| It was just a consistently dry cough. | ||
| And I was like, I probably have COVID, so I just stayed home. | ||
| I had tried to go to the gym very early on and I was so tired. | ||
| I just was like, I can't do anything. | ||
| Did you test for antibodies? | ||
| You guys tested me for antibodies and I didn't have them. | ||
| How many months out from your being sick was it? | ||
| It was a long time after, I think. | ||
| Jamie's got superhuman antibodies. | ||
| You should see his antibody level. | ||
| Amazing. | ||
| He pulls it out like a big dick just to show everybody. | ||
| What does it protect him from? | ||
| Well, he's just been exposed to a lot of dirty girls. | ||
| So you can't get chlamydia anymore either, huh? | ||
| That's how that works, right? | ||
| Is that how it works? | ||
| You only get it once? | ||
| If you get it enough times, then you're immune. | ||
| But Jamie got COVID in October of 2020. He got it early, early on. | ||
| And then, like recently, you had a... | ||
| Didn't you have an antibody test real recently that was fat? | ||
| I want to say maybe someone that didn't have a strong line, so I was like, let me show you a strong line. | ||
| Yeah, you know what it was? | ||
| It was Protect Our Parks. | ||
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| It was when Norman and Gillis had just gotten over COVID, and so we wanted to see. | ||
| And his fucking lines are fat, so he's got crazy antibodies. | ||
| I mean, you guys tested me here for antibodies, so that would have been like a year ago. | ||
| I haven't tried since then. | ||
| They say you have T and B cell memory too, which is interesting. | ||
| It's like even if your body doesn't have antibodies, it has memory and it can develop those antibodies if you're coming in contact with it. | ||
| Some of these guys that work here, they didn't catch COVID a second time, but they came in contact with it and then they felt like weird and then it showed up that they had antibodies. | ||
| So like when Mercy would test us, it would show that your levels indicate that something recently, your body tried to fight it off recently. | ||
| Interesting. | ||
| I feel like a lot of people treat COVID based on anecdotal evidence or what they read in the media. | ||
| It's hard not to though. | ||
| If you don't read it in the media or you don't get it anecdotally, what information are you getting other than that? | ||
| For most people, unless you're reading scientific papers. | ||
| Even scientific papers have conflicting information. | ||
| Right, depending upon who's running the study and what the parameters of the study were, and especially if they went into the study with a bias and they tried to accomplish a certain thing. | ||
| Yeah, of course. | ||
| My experience is that I left Vancouver during COVID and I moved to Mexico and everything was fine there. | ||
| Well, I left LA and I came to Texas and everything was normal. | ||
| People were normal here in May of 2020. It was wild. | ||
| People walking around with no masks on, all friendly. | ||
| We were all packed into bars, spitting in each other's faces, sharing food, sharing drinks, sharing cigarettes. | ||
| The thing that did me in when I got sick, for sure 100%, was that I was drinking and flying. | ||
| I was drinking in Florida, stayed up really late, was exhausted, and then had to fly the next day, did a show, had to fly that night. | ||
| It was a lot. | ||
| I get sick a lot when I fly, just in general. | ||
| Like, I have to be real careful about my health. | ||
| Yeah, I mean, it's not good for your body to be that fucking high up in the air. | ||
| And that air that you're breathing. | ||
| I know it's recycled air, and I know it's supposed to be purified and everything like that. | ||
| And it always makes me exhausted and dehydrated. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| You're also probably getting cooked by radiation. | ||
| Is that what happens on the plane? | ||
| They cook you with radiation? | ||
| I don't know if it's bad for you, but I do know that you get exposed to high levels of radiation when you fly. | ||
| I want to say high levels, higher levels of radiation. | ||
| I wonder if stewardesses have issues, flight attendants have issues with radiation. | ||
| I had no idea that you were being exposed to radiation. | ||
| Yeah, see, let's Google it. | ||
| Here it goes. | ||
| We are exposed to low levels of radiation when we fly. | ||
| You'd be exposed to about 0.035 MSV, 3.5 MREM of cosmic radiation if you were to fly within the United States from the East Coast to the West Coast. | ||
| This amount of radiation is less than the amount of radiation we receive from one chest x-ray. | ||
| So that's probably fine. | ||
| Yeah, but how much less? | ||
| I don't really know anything about radiation. | ||
| But the thing is, like, a chest x-ray, you have to wear a lead vest. | ||
| Oh, right. | ||
| That's a good point. | ||
| Because they're worried about cooking your fucking organs. | ||
| Like, that's not a good... | ||
| Like, chest x-rays are fucking bad for you. | ||
| Okay. | ||
| I mean, there's a reason why they put that vest on you. | ||
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| Don't they protect your junk? | ||
| Do they protect your junk? | ||
| Well, they do it when they give you x-rays at the dentist, too. | ||
| They protect you. | ||
| Or they protect, like, they put something on you here. | ||
| Don't protect your fucking brain. | ||
| They don't give you a lead helmet like Magneto. | ||
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That's weird, eh? | |
| It's weird. | ||
| That argument, I don't see. | ||
| Air travel exposed you to radiation. | ||
| How much risk? | ||
| So does it show us there? | ||
| Okay. | ||
| It says your dose, that thing you just had, that little circle right there. | ||
| So it says your dose. | ||
| I guess that red is the... | ||
| What's the big one at the bottom there? | ||
| Is that the x-ray? | ||
| That upper left-hand corner? | ||
| Sorry, the big red thing. | ||
| It's the upper left-hand corner of the screen. | ||
| Yeah, that's what I'm saying. | ||
| What is the big red one at the bottom? | ||
| What does that say? | ||
| It just doesn't make any sense. | ||
| A single dose fatal, it's about radiation poisoning, I think. | ||
| Oh, okay, so where's the flight? | ||
| Which one's a flight? | ||
| Is it the little tiny one? | ||
| 40, yeah. | ||
| Okay, so 40 and then... | ||
| Can you make that a little bigger? | ||
| So abdominally... | ||
| Okay, that's cool. | ||
| Abdominal x-ray is 200. A flight is 40. A dental x-ray is only 5, but they still throw that lead vest on you. | ||
| So think about that. | ||
| Think about that shit. | ||
| Hip x-ray is a little bit more, though. | ||
| I did not know this. | ||
| 800 for hip x-ray. | ||
| Ooh, apex rays. | ||
| There's a chest CT scan, which... | ||
| Whoa. | ||
| I guess that's a little bit more. | ||
| A CT scan? | ||
| Interesting. | ||
| It's 12,000... | ||
| Holy fuck. | ||
| ...whatever units that is. | ||
| That's a lot. | ||
| What's an MRI? Is that in there? | ||
| Well, that's magnetic resonance imagery. | ||
| I don't think that's radiation. | ||
| And then it says like 400,000 is a dose that would cause symptoms of radiation poisoning. | ||
| Yeah, but that, like, over how much time? | ||
| Like, there's got to be a reason why they throw that fucking lead vest on you. | ||
| Well, so yeah, this one is also saying a frequent flyer, so that someone who's flying a lot is going to have almost... | ||
| Oh, see, there it is. | ||
| Look at that. | ||
| Frequent flyer from New York to Los Angeles has 480, as opposed to 200 from an abdomen x-ray. | ||
| So what does that mean? | ||
| That's a lot of radiation. | ||
| What happens then if you're exposed to that much? | ||
| But that's over time. | ||
| You can read minds. | ||
| Well, then great! | ||
| In the comic books, that's always what happened. | ||
| In the comic books, you got radiation, you became cool as fuck. | ||
| How much do we get from the sun? | ||
| Don't we get some? | ||
| Not, I guess. | ||
| Yeah, you must get some. | ||
| Solar radiation. | ||
| Just hanging out outside, don't you get radiation? | ||
| Well, the thing is, everything has radiation. | ||
| Rocks have radiation. | ||
| If you are exposed to rocks, like you touch a hot rock, that rock has radiation. | ||
| Okay. | ||
| But it's very, very little. | ||
| Like, people are worried about your cell phone. | ||
| The radiation from your cell phone! | ||
| Maybe. | ||
| Is it bad? | ||
| I don't know. | ||
| Some people think it is. | ||
| You're supposed to not put them on your genitals. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| Your cell phone. | ||
| Elon doesn't think it's bad, so I'm like, tell me what to do. | ||
| I'm not too worried about my cell phone. | ||
| But if you listened by your ear on one side of your head and then developed a tumor... | ||
| Here's a little comparison chart that maybe helps. | ||
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| Ultrasound or MRI, radiation exposure equivalent to zero days of natural radiation, zero hours of flying. | ||
| Lower back X-ray radiation exposure is equivalent to 213 days of natural radiation or 182 hours of flying. | ||
| Lower back CT scanned is equivalent to 511 days of natural radiation or 462 hours of flying. | ||
| So if you're a stewardess, you're getting cooked. | ||
| Are you allowed to say stewardess anymore? | ||
| Is it a stewardess? | ||
| I don't know. | ||
| I say stewardess, but I think you're supposed to say flight attendant. | ||
| Actresses are just actors. | ||
| Female actors. | ||
| I don't care about any of that stuff anymore. | ||
| No? | ||
| I think maybe I went through a phase of caring a little bit, but I don't care about calling people retards. | ||
| I don't care about calling people bitches or cunts or assholes or dickbags or motherfuckers. | ||
| Keep going. | ||
| I mean, I have like a potty mouth, but I just, I feel like it's not important. | ||
| That's not the important thing. | ||
| You know what phrase went away? | ||
| Comedienne. | ||
| I don't even remember that being a thing. | ||
| Yeah, it was female comedian. | ||
| That's silly. | ||
| Well, comedian Miss Pat. | ||
| Miss Pat was one of the funniest people alive. | ||
| She has like, comedian Miss Pat is her Instagram. | ||
| That was like Comedienne, I think. | ||
| Is that it? | ||
| I've never heard that. | ||
| You never heard Comedienne? | ||
| No, I don't think so. | ||
| Yes, there it is. | ||
| Comedienne. | ||
| A female Comedienne. | ||
| Just weird. | ||
| Weird. | ||
| Because comics don't use it. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| I mean, it is really unnecessary, I think. | ||
| But also, I don't care. | ||
| Like, I feel like people tried to make that, like, it's not an actress. | ||
| Actor. | ||
| Everyone's an actor. | ||
| I'm like, who cares? | ||
| It's a female actress. | ||
| It's a female actor. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| Like, I don't think that's the important thing. | ||
| I think that what's happening in real life is the important thing. | ||
| Oh, yeah. | ||
| You know what I mean? | ||
| No, for sure. | ||
| I just think it's interesting, the phrases that just get adopted. | ||
| And with comedy, it just got abandoned for whatever reason. | ||
| Interesting. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| I mean... | ||
| You would think, but it's obviously not true, that that's because, like, comedy can't be woke, because how do you make jokes if everything's supposed to be woke? | ||
| But obviously they've woked comedy, so... | ||
| Or they've tried to, in any case. | ||
| I feel like it was short-lived, because I feel like the unwoking of comedy came around pretty fast. | ||
| Like, I feel like there was, like, a period of time when they were trying to, like, make woke comedy happen, and then people like Ricky Gervais and, like, Dave Chappelle were like, nah... | ||
| Well, first of all, Ricky Gervais' new shit is fucking hilarious. | ||
| Oh, it's so good. | ||
| It's hilarious. | ||
| But it's also when you are trying to be woke, you are saying, I adhere to the ideology. | ||
| I will speak only the phrases that empower and enlighten. | ||
| That's not comedy. | ||
| No. | ||
| Comedy is talking shit. | ||
| Comedy is you have a couple of drinks and you say something fucked up to your friend, you both laugh hysterically. | ||
| Or you call each other up and you don't even mean what you're saying, but you're saying something to be funny. | ||
| That's comedy. | ||
| And when you want to pretend that that's a statement, you're going to lose me as an actual human. | ||
| I can't talk to you as a real individual anymore because I know you're playing a game. | ||
| So I can't take what you're saying seriously any longer. | ||
| Because now you're not really having a conversation with me. | ||
| You're just trying to force me into your ideology for social brownie points. | ||
| I'm not gonna do that. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| Well, yeah, and it's not authentic. | ||
| No. | ||
| It's phony. | ||
| Tor shit. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| And it's like, I'm willing to have a reasonable conversation with anybody about any subject, but if you want to pretend that jokes aren't jokes, we can't talk. | ||
| You can't say that you can't joke about things. | ||
| You can't say that that Ricky Gervais stuff is offensive. | ||
| It might have offended you. | ||
| It didn't offend me. | ||
| It's so funny, though. | ||
| It was hilarious. | ||
| I mean, I feel sort of like jokes and humor trump all. | ||
| Like, if it's funny, then I'm like, okay, but it's funny. | ||
| So, yeah, if it works, like, I, yeah, I guess I just, I think that there's some people who actually, I really don't like these people, who actually don't have a sense of humor. | ||
| They just don't care. | ||
| Humor is not important to them and they kind of don't really get it. | ||
| There's a lot of that. | ||
| People are like, this is offensive. | ||
| A lot of times it's phony, but I think there genuinely are people who are like, well, I didn't get it, so it's not funny. | ||
| It's like, no, you didn't get it because you have a bad sense of humor. | ||
| There's that. | ||
| And there's also people that are authoritarians and they don't like comedy because it's a loophole. | ||
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| Because if they want to tell you what to do, you know, and you are joking around about something, they're like, no, you can't joke around about that. | ||
| And they'll tell you, this is off limits for comedy. | ||
| And then they want to fucking protest. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| That's what it is. | ||
| It's like they're just upset that in their mind, like there are things you just can't joke around about. | ||
| And in their mind, it's, you know, whatever their ideology says. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| I mean, I guess it's just it's so controlling. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| Like I'm so weirded out by this culture where people think that they are entitled to control other people, what other people think, what other people say, what other people joke about. | ||
| And I don't understand the desire to do that either. | ||
| It's like like let people live. | ||
| Why are you so obsessed with what other people are doing? | ||
| Is that because you don't have anything interesting going on in your life or you feel out of control in your own life? | ||
| I keep trying to look at it through a psychological lens, I suppose, and I don't... | ||
| Doesn't make sense. | ||
| No. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| But it's just a natural human trait, a natural human characteristic, whether it's through religion or through culture, to get people to adhere to the boundaries that you've set for your group. | ||
| And if someone tries to stray outside those boundaries and joke about things or do something or say something or have some sort of an opinion that's forbidden... | ||
| And you want to signal that you're part of the in-group, which is tribalism also, right? | ||
| So you're like, I'm part of this group, so I believe this, so I won't tolerate this. | ||
| You're part of the out-group. | ||
| Megan, I have to pee so bad. | ||
| I have to pee, too! | ||
| I kept being like, should I interrupt? | ||
| Because I really have to be... | ||
| Let's wrap this up. | ||
| Tell people, you said it before, but say it again, your sub stack... | ||
| Oh, it's just Megan Murphy, so M-E-G-H-N. There it is. | ||
| The same drugs with Megan Murphy. | ||
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| Oh, sorry. | ||
| Go ahead. | ||
| So is this going to come out tomorrow? | ||
| Tomorrow, yeah. | ||
| So tomorrow, people, if they still want to come, they can still buy tickets to this event. | ||
| What day is the event? | ||
| June 10. June 10. Friday at 6 p.m. | ||
| And where's it at? | ||
| Austin Central Library. | ||
| It's called Women Leaving the Left. | ||
| So that's... | ||
| Yeah, 710 West Cesar Chavez. | ||
| Cesar Chavez, yes. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| Eventbrite. | ||
| People know what it is. | ||
| It's easy to find. | ||
| Go to my Instagram. | ||
| The link's there. | ||
| Buy tickets online if you would like to come. | ||
| Anyway, thank you so much for having me. | ||
| This was really fun. | ||
| It was so great to see you again. | ||
| It was fun. | ||
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| All right. | ||
| Bye, everybody. |
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