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June 15, 2021 - The Joe Rogan Experience
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Joe Rogan Experience #1667 - Annie Lederman
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annie lederman
01:13:41
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joe rogan
01:39:14
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jamie vernon
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joe rogan
What are the odds that you and I are wearing the same shirt?
annie lederman
It's so weird.
And it's a shirt I drew and I'm putting up on my website to sell.
joe rogan
Yeah, I just don't have the midriff show on.
annie lederman
Did you trim that yourself?
I did trim it myself.
I cut all my shirts.
joe rogan
All of them?
annie lederman
Yeah.
I had a girl come up to me who's very skinny who goes, you've really given me like a lot of inspiration, like how you'll just wear a midriff no matter what.
And I was like, oh my God.
What does that mean?
But yeah, I like to, I'm loud and proud muffin topping around this town, baby.
joe rogan
Wow, you don't give a fuck.
annie lederman
No.
joe rogan
Good for you.
annie lederman
I like cropping it.
I think they land weird.
I have hips, you know, so they land weird on my hips.
They get tight on my hips, so I just crop that bitch.
Hoist my sweatpants up high.
joe rogan
Which is what you wear most of the time, right?
unidentified
Yes.
annie lederman
When I came to Austin last time, by the way, nobody warned me.
joe rogan
About?
annie lederman
About the fucking swamp ass situation here.
I was wearing sweatpants.
All I have is sweatpants.
Listen, I gained a little weight over COVID. Loud and proud.
I don't give a shit.
But I refuse to buy new clothes.
So I'm a size 4 until the seams pop.
joe rogan
I don't know what that is.
Is that a lot?
annie lederman
A size 4 is like...
joe rogan
What's Jamie?
annie lederman
Jamie, if he was a girl, would be a size like 8. He might be a girl.
joe rogan
Why don't you not be rude?
annie lederman
Look at his hair.
With that hair?
33. I know, Jamie, what's going on with the hair?
joe rogan
I'm trying to get him to shave his head.
unidentified
He won't do it.
jamie vernon
I need to find somewhere to cut it is all.
joe rogan
Well, it's impossible to find somewhere.
annie lederman
Somewhere to cut it is above the ears.
joe rogan
There's no way.
No one cuts hair anymore.
That's like going to a blacksmith.
jamie vernon
I know.
annie lederman
You have a low pwn, which is so upsetting.
I thought I hated man buns.
Different sizes.
jamie vernon
It's just where I put it.
annie lederman
Do you ever do man bun?
unidentified
Of course.
jamie vernon
Not up top, no.
joe rogan
Sometimes he does it like a samurai.
annie lederman
He should.
Give him one of your swords.
unidentified
Yeah.
annie lederman
Yeah, Jamie, this is an intervention.
jamie vernon
Alright, what's up?
joe rogan
Why don't you get your hair cut?
I don't understand.
jamie vernon
I, like, meant to do it this weekend.
I did other stuff instead.
I don't know.
annie lederman
I would have been so happy.
I would have been so honored.
Do you ever wear it down?
Can you take your hair down for us?
jamie vernon
Yeah, sure.
joe rogan
It's confusing.
jamie vernon
It's long.
joe rogan
I think he's transitioning.
annie lederman
Okay, I think he's definitely transitioning.
I want to do Transwatch.
jamie vernon
Very long.
annie lederman
You like Abraham Lincoln.
joe rogan
You think so?
I think he looks like a rock band from the 90s.
annie lederman
Yes, you do.
jamie vernon
Well, that's the third time I've had long hair, and that was the first time why I had long hair.
joe rogan
When you were in a band.
jamie vernon
In the 90s.
annie lederman
Was this like a COVID reaction?
jamie vernon
Yeah, yeah, yeah.
I just couldn't find a barbershop.
Couldn't go anywhere.
joe rogan
There's so many barbershops.
It's so dumb.
Just let it go.
annie lederman
There's like scissors.
Now there are, but there wasn't then.
I got scissors.
I was able to cut this shirt, okay, while I was traveling.
You can cut that hair.
joe rogan
Is that easier to cut a shirt than hair?
annie lederman
It was actually kind of hard.
joe rogan
I would say it's easier than hair, though, don't you think?
annie lederman
Yeah.
joe rogan
I don't think that's a good comparison.
I want to go back to the skinny girl.
The skinny girl who's like...
You have such confidence to wear that.
Girls do shit like that to each other, right?
annie lederman
Listen, I'm all about...
I've been dealing with...
I realize I've been really judging a lot of people and wasting my time judging others.
So I'm just taking everything people say and I'm just enjoying it.
And I laughed my fucking ass off when she said that to me.
Really?
Yes.
joe rogan
Do you know her well?
annie lederman
Not that well, but...
But enough that I send her love and light.
joe rogan
Oh, okay.
annie lederman
Like, love and light, cunt.
joe rogan
Love and light, cunt.
That should be your next shirt.
annie lederman
I'm happy.
Listen, I gained weight because I wasn't given a fucking shit over this damn pandemic.
joe rogan
Well, I think it's because you ate a lot of food.
annie lederman
I did eat a lot of food.
You know, I was eating a lot of noodles.
Oh, that'll do it.
My boyfriend is half Asian.
I got into a lot of the cuisine.
unidentified
Ah.
joe rogan
What kind of food?
annie lederman
A lot of pho.
I mean, he actually didn't.
unidentified
It was just me.
joe rogan
I like how you said it right.
annie lederman
Pho, of course.
joe rogan
Most people are all pho.
annie lederman
I know.
But pho does sound upsetting.
It took me many years to say it.
joe rogan
It's weird.
annie lederman
I don't say it.
unidentified
I never say it.
annie lederman
You say pho?
joe rogan
I mean, I just don't say it.
annie lederman
You just say, can I have those noodles?
joe rogan
I wait for my family to want to order it.
And then I go, yeah, we'll eat that.
My kids love it.
unidentified
They love pho.
annie lederman
I always thought like it's rice.
It's not like regular noodles.
So you kind of convince yourself.
But then, you know, it's about this much.
joe rogan
Big ass bowl.
annie lederman
Yeah.
joe rogan
Stuff.
There's a great place in Woodland Hills we used to go to.
Oh my God, it was sensational.
unidentified
What was it called?
joe rogan
I don't remember.
It was really good.
annie lederman
Oh, you guys almost got such a good advertisement.
joe rogan
Sorry.
annie lederman
Sorry.
You should have had a better name.
I go to a place called Absolutely Phobulous.
And if those people had had a good name like that, that's on La Siena Guy.
I love them.
joe rogan
That is one thing.
LA had a real good scene in terms of variety of food.
Actually, for a small city, because Austin's pretty small, there's a lot of variety here.
There's obviously a lot of Tex-Mex, obviously a lot of barbecue.
annie lederman
You're like, they have so much variety here.
They have texts.
They have Macs.
It's amazing.
joe rogan
No, but you can get Korean food here.
There's a lot of sushi.
There's a lot of Japanese.
There's Indian food.
There's a lot of different...
Because it's a college city, there's all kinds of different folks come here and stay here.
annie lederman
Yeah, I've only eaten, I went to, what was the barbecue place I went to?
joe rogan
Did you go to Terry Black's?
annie lederman
Yes, I went to Terry Black's.
That was the first place I went to.
joe rogan
You don't need to go anywhere else.
annie lederman
It was so good.
joe rogan
Everywhere else, there's places that are as good, like Franklin's and La Barbecue, and there's some killer places, but they don't get better.
It's not possible.
annie lederman
Yeah, it was great.
It's not possible.
It was so good.
It was fast.
It was easy.
joe rogan
Yeah, you go through the, but we fucked it up by talking about it too much.
annie lederman
So now it's all packed.
joe rogan
There's a giant ass fucking line.
annie lederman
Well, when I went there, it seemed like a really big line.
The parking lot was full and it still went fast.
So I was like, alright.
joe rogan
Well, it's a cafeteria style.
And they're on the ball.
annie lederman
Do you do cafeteria when you go?
joe rogan
Yeah, you go.
annie lederman
Are people like hovering around you?
joe rogan
Sometimes when it's too crazy, they'll just bring us over what we want.
But yeah, I like going in line.
I like doing the thing.
annie lederman
I didn't get to do a pit tour.
I like doing the pit tour.
joe rogan
Oh, the pit tour is the shit.
They make their pits themselves.
They use propane tanks.
They have someone weld them and shit.
annie lederman
Would you ever bring them elk you killed to barbecue up?
joe rogan
Yeah, I definitely would.
But when they barbecue stuff, it's like a 12-hour process.
They took us on a tour of the brisket making and the guy was explaining to me how he does it.
He has a piece of paper and he writes down which ones went in at which time.
They don't use thermometers.
They just know.
They just know what the temperature of the meat is.
They know when it's ready and they know when to wrap it in butcher paper.
It's an art.
It really is.
Slow smoking art, offset cooking.
annie lederman
So good.
joe rogan
Yeah, it's a real art form.
annie lederman
The fat dripping off.
Really good.
All the different sauces.
I went there.
I went to another place that had like tapas.
I had some bone marrow, which I've decided I hate.
I never have been able to decide whether I'm disgusted by bone marrow or I like it.
I hate it.
joe rogan
Bone marrow on garlic bread at a restaurant in town called Red Ash is fucking sensational.
Don't you laugh.
annie lederman
I'm not laughing.
I'm just saying it's one of those things.
It feels like I'm on Fear Factor, honestly.
Every time I eat it, I'm like, it's mental, it's mental, it's mental.
I'm smearing that shit.
I'm scraping it off the bone, which you're not going to eat it when it's not on the bone.
It has to come out on the bone.
joe rogan
Right.
annie lederman
So you can't pretend it's not coming from where it's coming from.
joe rogan
Right.
Yeah, that's true.
And you want to get it clean right when it comes out of the oven, too.
annie lederman
Yeah, when it's still like...
And I take a couple bites and I go, I think I like this.
And then I'm kind of gagging.
joe rogan
I don't think it's everybody's thing.
annie lederman
Yeah, I've tried.
I'll try again.
joe rogan
I love it.
annie lederman
I like to try things.
Like if anyone brings me any weird thing, I like to try it.
I used to, before I knew you, I used to pretend I was on fear.
I'd be like, I'd take a thing and be like, alright, take a bite.
joe rogan
Here we go.
annie lederman
I watched an episode recently.
Did you?
Yeah.
I watched like a couples episode.
It was like couples championships.
They came back.
And you had married a couple.
You were ordained and married this couple.
joe rogan
Yeah.
They were from Dallas.
annie lederman
Yeah.
joe rogan
Nice folks.
I wonder if they're still together.
They were really nice.
annie lederman
I mean, I hope they're still together, but with these marriage rates, I can't.
joe rogan
Well, what is it?
It's not even 50%, I don't think, right?
That make it?
annie lederman
I don't know.
Are people even getting married anymore?
joe rogan
No, they quit.
Everybody quit.
unidentified
They did?
Yeah, people get married.
joe rogan
I think that it's going to be around forever.
I don't think they're going to stop getting married.
You know, when people have children and you want to protect and keep everything together and lock it down, that's when it makes sense.
annie lederman
Yeah.
joe rogan
It seems like a crazy institution now, you know, like Getting other people involved in your relationship?
annie lederman
Well, the wedding is so weird because the wedding is like...
You're calling all of your closest family and friends to hold you accountable for this promise you made.
Everyone's there like, you promised.
You promised.
joe rogan
Is that what it is?
I thought it was like to celebrate.
Listen, now you look at it.
You look at it in a terrible way.
annie lederman
I guess I feel really embarrassed sharing...
Like my deepest heart in front of everyone.
I don't know.
That seems like very vulnerable.
Well, if I'm like up there and I'm like, you complete me or whatever I'm saying that I mean.
But I don't know.
I guess it's I feel different.
I feel like I'm growing.
joe rogan
We did a non-religious wedding, and the lady was very nice, but she had the corniest fucking vows.
You know the thing that they do?
Your love is two streams that will become a mighty river.
I'm like, oh my God.
As a comedian, to sit there and listen to that and not mock it, it's like, oh God.
annie lederman
You should have mocked it.
I would have mocked it.
joe rogan
I was holding it together.
I was making faces, though.
annie lederman
Did you cry at your wedding?
joe rogan
No, I did not.
annie lederman
You didn't?
joe rogan
No, I did not.
I cried when my kids were born.
annie lederman
Yeah.
joe rogan
I cry.
But that wasn't a, like...
I mean, I love her.
She's awesome.
annie lederman
I've definitely seen you cry.
unidentified
You're a good boy.
I cry.
annie lederman
I know you're a good boy.
joe rogan
I cry.
Yeah.
I'm a very emotional person in a lot of ways.
But that was like a fun...
It was like, I wanted to just get it over with.
Let's just do it and then we can have fun.
annie lederman
Because it seems stressful.
Did you guys have like a really big one?
No.
Was your wife into wanting it to be...
joe rogan
No, she's not very high maintenance.
She's pretty cool in that regard.
You know, it's a small group of friends.
annie lederman
And you had your stepdaughter?
unidentified
Mm-hmm.
annie lederman
And then you don't have your daughters yet?
joe rogan
No, one of them.
annie lederman
You did?
joe rogan
Yeah.
It's one of those things where it's like, in the middle of you doing it, you're like, okay, is this happening?
We're really doing it?
Because it's like, hopefully you only do it once.
unidentified
Yeah.
joe rogan
So while you're doing it, you're like, okay, is this real?
annie lederman
Can you imagine planning a second fucking wedding?
unidentified
Yeah.
joe rogan
Some people do it even for no reason.
Just to say, we're going to go to Tahiti and have a second wedding.
And you're like, oh, fuck.
And then your friends have to go.
annie lederman
No, I mean like your next marriage.
unidentified
Oh.
annie lederman
Where you're just like...
joe rogan
I have a lot of friends that have gotten married three, four times.
annie lederman
Yeah.
And they do the same amount of effort into each wedding.
It's got to dilute each time.
joe rogan
What happens is when you find a new gal and she finds out what you did for the old gal, she's like, listen, motherfucker...
annie lederman
You may have lost 50%, but you're going to be doing 50 extra percent.
joe rogan
We ain't doing this one in the park when your last one was in the fucking Bahamas.
annie lederman
Can I tell you?
joe rogan
Let's go.
annie lederman
How cool is it that there's shooting stars in your fucking sky?
unidentified
That's pretty dope, right?
joe rogan
How cool is it that it's 180 degrees in this room?
annie lederman
I'm sweating so much.
I'm so glad I chose black shirts.
joe rogan
Yeah, something happened to our AC over the last couple days.
annie lederman
You think a guy with a ponytail would really want to keep it cool in here?
joe rogan
I know.
That's what I'm saying.
It's not his.
jamie vernon
That's the guy who made it.
He has a ponytail too.
joe rogan
He has a ponytail too.
jamie vernon
That's true.
joe rogan
Well, it's not even his fault.
It's obviously one of our units is fucking up.
But that's a common thing here.
We were at the creek in the cave the other night, and it was fucking sweating, like dripping into my eyes on stage.
annie lederman
And it's hard.
I've said this before.
When you're on stage and you start to sweat, that's a symptom of bombing, and it's hard to...
My body goes into, like, save-yourself mode when I start sweating, and it's like...
joe rogan
Well, you're not comfortable.
annie lederman
Yeah, and I'm like...
joe rogan
You have to be comfortable on stage.
unidentified
You're...
annie lederman
Like, my eye can't see...
joe rogan
Well, with you, too, you got eye makeup, so that shit's gonna get in your eyes.
annie lederman
I actually don't wear makeup.
This is what I wake up with.
Crazy.
I'm so pretty.
joe rogan
You are so pretty for natural.
I remember one time I came straight from Fear Factor, and I had sunscreen on, and I didn't realize I had sunscreen on, and I'm on stage, and I sweat, and the sweat got in my eye, and then I was in pain, so I was trying to do my act while my eyes were tearing up.
annie lederman
That's terrible.
That's why I can't surf.
unidentified
Oh, saltwater.
annie lederman
I've tried surfing and I'm like, it's so embarrassing when I'm doing something everyone else is doing fine and everyone seems like not.
And I'm like, my eyes are burning.
I'm like, is there something wrong with me?
joe rogan
How come some people could just open their eyes in saltwater and swim around?
It doesn't bother them at all.
Can you do it, Jamie?
jamie vernon
I haven't tried for a long time, so I don't know.
annie lederman
You have surfer hair.
You should get out there before you cut it.
joe rogan
You seem like a surfer.
annie lederman
We need to make an excuse for this hair.
joe rogan
Well, you know, in Texas, there's a place down in Waco where it's an indoor surf place.
annie lederman
I know about Waco.
joe rogan
Yeah, that's a different thing.
They don't like to talk about that anymore.
Now it's like a home improvement spot.
Do you know that?
Like there's a family.
annie lederman
They're really good at putting up holes.
joe rogan
No, there's like a famous family that like settled in Waco.
They're on like one of them fix-em-up TV shows.
annie lederman
Oh, the couple.
Yeah.
The fix-upper couple.
Yeah.
joe rogan
Well, that's Waco now.
annie lederman
That's new Waco.
joe rogan
That's like everybody's in that.
But in Waco, there's a...
annie lederman
Waco's not very Waco if they're pretending that thing didn't happen.
joe rogan
Oh, I don't think...
annie lederman
You know you're going to have more of these jokes.
unidentified
No.
joe rogan
I don't think that they're pretending it didn't happen.
I just think they don't talk about it that much.
annie lederman
I guess you don't need to.
joe rogan
Well, I mean, everybody knows, you know, the FBI lit those fucking people on fire, whatever, whatever.
annie lederman
I know, it's like their home improvement is like, oh, got a bulletproof wall.
joe rogan
Apparently someone was explaining to me that it wasn't just that the FBI lit that place on fire, but that Koresh knew.
So they put bales of hay in the hallways and lit them and filled them up with gasoline.
Like he, it was kind of like a suicide thing.
And he was also, he'd already been shot.
So he had like a bullet hole in him and...
Some wild shit, you know?
Cults like that, it's like, how the fuck, right?
How does it get to that?
Like, how does someone, like, all of a sudden you find yourself in a fenced-off, you know, 10-acre, I don't know how many acres the place was, but where you have guns and you're fucking everybody's wife and everybody has to give you their money.
annie lederman
I know, once a guy's like, I'm gonna fuck your wife, that's when you gotta go, I think I need to exit.
joe rogan
Don't think you're working in the name of Jesus.
annie lederman
Yeah, Jesus does not want you to bang my wife.
Unless that's what you're into.
joe rogan
But that area has an indoor surf place.
My friend Kenny Fong.
Shout out to Kenny from Darkside Motors.
He's a guy I used to go get all my car stuff from in LA. And Kenny fucking flew to...
He lives in California.
Flew to Texas to surf at this place.
annie lederman
Which is kind of hilarious.
But do I have saltwater?
joe rogan
It's an indoor place.
It's a wild ass indoor surf place.
annie lederman
It's huge.
I think I've seen Schultz doing it.
jamie vernon
This one's outdoor, I think.
joe rogan
Oh, shit.
Is this Waco?
Oh, it is outdoor?
annie lederman
Waco's on the up, guys.
joe rogan
Look at this.
Why did I think it was indoor?
annie lederman
Is this where the Taresh place was?
joe rogan
Yeah, they leveled it, and the bodies of the people are underneath the water.
annie lederman
That's really incredible.
joe rogan
Sometimes when you go under, you see a skull.
It's fucking badass, though.
I mean, what a great place to learn how to surf, right?
unidentified
Yeah.
joe rogan
Because you don't have to wait for waves.
It's like, if you had, the only way to learn jujitsu was wait for someone to grab you, it would suck, right?
You have no one to roll with.
This is like you have training.
annie lederman
I have not done jujitsu since before the pandemic.
I am now so grossed out.
I was thinking about all the ball sweat.
I was thinking about the smell of the...
unidentified
Ball sweat.
annie lederman
Yes, the smell of...
And listen, I'm no...
I'm not Mr. Clean over here.
I got my own smells going on.
You smell great.
When I hugged you, I was impressed.
When I would go into class, when I would go into 10th Plain, I would go to whoever my partner was.
I did yoga before this, so I'm sorry or thank you.
I'm sorry or welcome, whichever you're into.
I'm not sure what you like.
joe rogan
Now, you would go yoga and then straight into jiu-jitsu?
annie lederman
Well, I would try to wash off a little bit.
joe rogan
But that's crazy.
That's a lot of exercise.
annie lederman
Oh, I was ripped before.
I was doing...
joe rogan
Bro.
annie lederman
I was not like...
Well, I wasn't ripped.
You're shredded.
I was pretty good before the pandemic.
And then...
joe rogan
That's a lot of exercise in one day, though, is what I'm saying.
annie lederman
Yeah, I would do that.
And then I had a meditation class I would go to.
joe rogan
Damn, look at you.
Centering.
annie lederman
And I was still fucking psycho, dude.
I was way more psycho then than I am now.
joe rogan
Really?
annie lederman
Yeah.
joe rogan
What do you think that's about?
annie lederman
I think I did a lot of work on myself over this quarantine.
joe rogan
Well, people are forced to, like, think about themselves or think about other people.
There was a lot of that.
annie lederman
Oh, I went through both, and I really...
I'm telling you, this week specifically, I've been working on it, I'm just really focusing on, like, myself and what I like.
I was talking to Jamie earlier.
I'm writing a movie with Bonnie McFarlane.
joe rogan
Oh, I love Bonnie.
annie lederman
I love her so much.
joe rogan
I just worked with her a couple weeks ago.
annie lederman
Yeah, I know.
I was here.
I was working with her, too.
Oh, that's right.
And we're at The Creek in the Cave.
I'm telling you, I watched Bonnie's full set.
I fucking went up to her afterwards crying.
Like, I'm so glad I'm friends with her.
She's so funny.
She's just the real deal.
There's no bullshit.
She said some of the funniest shit I have ever fucking heard in my life.
Her crowd work, I mean, she's like unmatched.
And I'm just so...
joe rogan
27 years, I think?
Something crazy like that?
Yeah.
It might have been more.
It might be more than 27 years, which is wild.
annie lederman
Yeah.
She's such a fucking killer.
If you go back and look at her specials, too, like her HBO special, it was right when I started comedy.
I think she did it.
It's still, from beginning to end, amazing.
joe rogan
She's just a really smart person, period.
Her and Rich, are they still doing their podcasts?
annie lederman
Yeah, they are.
joe rogan
They're fucking great at that, too.
annie lederman
It's so funny.
She posted a clip where Rich was talking about his lisp, and he was like, people make fun of my lisp, but if I was missing arms, they wouldn't make fun of it.
And Bonnie's like, Rich, your lisp has never gotten in the way of your life.
And I commented, I was like, it has gotten in the way of my life.
LAUGHTER They're just so funny.
They're just calling each other out.
Bonnie and I were talking about it today.
Rich is such a good dude.
He just has a person that challenges him on every angle.
That's why they're so fucking funny, dude.
They just have two people that are just bop, bop, bop, bop.
joe rogan
Well, he can take it better than anybody I've ever met in my life.
When we used to be an anti, not anymore.
annie lederman
Oh, okay.
After the thing.
joe rogan
It all ended.
But when we used to do Opie and Anthony together, he could fucking take it better than anybody.
When everybody was piling on, Rich was the best.
annie lederman
Yeah, he's so funny.
He can fight his way out.
It's like that scene, and did you watch Game of Thrones?
joe rogan
Yeah.
annie lederman
Do you remember the fight scene where they were all piling on him, on Jon Snow, and he got out?
That's how I imagine Rich, when people are making fun of him.
joe rogan
Well, he just...
It doesn't seem to bother him.
Like, he'll fire back, but it doesn't seem to hurt his feelings.
annie lederman
He doesn't care if he, like, if one fires and it doesn't go?
joe rogan
No, he takes wings.
annie lederman
Yeah.
But he...
I used to sit next to him.
We would do Judge Rose Battle at the stand in New York, and I always sat next to him.
I was like, I love sitting next to Dum Dum.
He would ask questions about, like, what the rules of the show were.
I'm like...
Rich, we've done this 5,000 times together.
You don't know the rules of the fucking show?
He's just such a ding-dong.
joe rogan
I think half of it is for show, though.
I think half of it is like...
annie lederman
No, I was talking to Bonnie about it.
Something happens on stage.
He can pull facts that he doesn't know offstage.
He becomes a thing.
He's brilliant on stage, and then he's just like...
joe rogan
Well, he has to be because he can work the crowd so well.
He's so good at working the crowd.
annie lederman
Yeah.
joe rogan
He's a wizard at work in the crowd.
You know what else?
This is how fearless that guy is.
They used to do this thing on Open Anthony where he would grab a microphone and walk into a fucking laundromat and just start doing stand-up.
It was cringe.
People would be waiting in line at a deli.
He would go, you know, the other day I saw.
annie lederman
Oh my God.
joe rogan
And he would just start doing stand-up.
And people would be like, what the fuck is going on?
And bombing and didn't care.
And they would air it.
They would air it on the radio.
annie lederman
Of course.
joe rogan
We used to do this thing in the old days of Opie and Anthony.
They were on terrestrial radio and satellite radio.
I forget which one was first.
I think terrestrial was first and satellite was second.
But we would do one radio show and then we would walk down the street to the second place.
And while we were walking, they were broadcasting.
So we were Broadcasting with wireless microphones walking down the street to the next place.
annie lederman
That's so funny I always want to do a podcast where I'm like on the street where I just do like a It's just an hour of me walking around talking shit to the camera and then like fucking with people on the street You should do it on 6th Street.
I should well I'm gonna wait for things to cool down.
unidentified
They have cooled down More security.
joe rogan
How many different mass shootings are you going to have on one street?
annie lederman
I mean, that's a good point, but I think we might have just put it in the universe.
joe rogan
The odds are...
annie lederman
I keep missing all of these crazy events.
I was in Nashville right the day before that bombing and before the truck drove into Zany's.
joe rogan
Oh, I'm sensing a pattern.
annie lederman
I don't want to say it's me, guys, but...
I have a lot of power.
joe rogan
The zany's truck.
What happened there?
The guy just left the truck and forgot to put the brake on or something?
annie lederman
I never found out the story, but I was supposed to do a show the night before, and I canceled because I was tired, and that was a lesson.
Never cancel a show.
Do a show.
The fucking work film.
joe rogan
Well, you never should cancel a show because you're tired.
annie lederman
Yeah, you're right.
joe rogan
Because once you get there, you'll fire up.
annie lederman
Yeah, you're right.
I've never had the hiccups on stage.
I do believe I will shit myself on stage.
joe rogan
I never shit myself on stage, but I've come close.
I've come very close.
annie lederman
You have those sets where you're just crap dusting the audience.
And you're just like, I hope this mic is loud enough for them to not hear this shit.
Oh my god, I forgot.
I've been talking about this on stage, but I've never told you this.
I had an opener once.
I wish I knew her name.
I was doing Dead Crow in North Carolina.
unidentified
What's that?
annie lederman
It's a club.
It's like a small club.
It's cute.
I'd love to go back.
But next time, warn me about my opener.
If my opener is an actual opener, let me know.
So there was a girl who was Canadian.
And she was really funny.
She did her set.
unidentified
Bonnie McFarlane?
annie lederman
No.
joe rogan
Bonnie's Canadian.
annie lederman
Yes, Bonnie is Canadian and she's amazing and she's my dream friend.
I love her.
So the girl finishes her set.
She pulls the mic stand down to her crotch.
That's never a good sign.
Did she queef?
Not only did she queef, she pulled her skirt up, fully vagina out, no underwear.
joe rogan
No underwear?
annie lederman
It was a nice vagina.
joe rogan
She showed the audience her vagina?
annie lederman
Yes, and she pulled a kazoo out of her jacket.
She put the kazoo into her vagina and she queefed Adele's hello.
joe rogan
Really?
annie lederman
She was my opener.
I had to go on stage.
joe rogan
And the whole audience saw it?
annie lederman
And it was like, I'm not knocking.
It was literally the most amazing thing I've ever seen.
If you're closing a show, I then had to go on stage and be like, smells like tuna fish.
I was like, I have to either shove this microphone up my asshole or I just have to eat a dick for fucking 45 minutes to an hour after this.
Every show was just like, um...
joe rogan
If you're in the audience and she's showing her pussy, that's assault.
annie lederman
It is assault, you're right.
joe rogan
It should be illegal.
annie lederman
Honestly, it was well...
It wasn't well-groomed, but it was...
It was just very interesting.
joe rogan
Did I ever tell you about the story where Joey Diaz hid in the backstage?
There was a woman on stage that was not very funny.
And Joey hid backstage and took his pants off.
And whenever she would hit her punchline, he would open up the curtain and shake his balls.
unidentified
Oh my god.
joe rogan
And then close the curtain and she was murdering.
She's...
This is like in the 90s.
annie lederman
Oh, that's actually sweet.
He gave her an experience she would never have.
joe rogan
He gave the audience an experience they would never have.
It was so ridiculous.
annie lederman
Was he just doing like the chicken heart?
Or was this dick, he was holding his dick up and just putting his balls on?
joe rogan
No, he just fucking, I don't remember if he was naked or if he had his pants off.
And he would just like...
annie lederman
Oh, I thought he was just exposing just the heart.
joe rogan
No, no, the curtain in the OR. He was pantsless behind it.
annie lederman
I didn't even know you could go behind that.
joe rogan
You can go behind it, apparently.
annie lederman
I think I've tried and almost fallen backwards.
joe rogan
There's not a lot of room.
I don't even know how you get there.
annie lederman
And especially when you take up a lot of room, Joey, no offense.
joe rogan
Yeah, LOL. I don't know.
LBS. How did you get there?
How does one get there?
annie lederman
I guess he must have just had to hide there through a couple acts.
That's so funny if he had to stay there.
joe rogan
I don't think he hid.
I think he snuck in while she was on stage.
annie lederman
Oh my god.
joe rogan
It was like, in the 90s, the shows there were so...
It might not have been the 90s.
It might have been like maybe 2000. I don't remember.
Anyway, the shows there were so bad that sometimes someone would get on the lineup and they would be on the lineup like quite a bit.
And it was death.
It was like, this was the death moment.
And you knew that if you had to follow them, fuck, like you have an 1130 spot, they go on before you.
You know that room's going to clear out.
annie lederman
Yeah, I've been that spot.
joe rogan
Yeah.
annie lederman
The spot after.
joe rogan
The spot after.
annie lederman
I've been maybe the dead spot a couple times down.
joe rogan
But those fucking shows, when that does happen, those give you an opportunity to really dig in and find out what's actually funny.
annie lederman
Yeah, and it's also...
To have to pick the whole room up is wild.
But I would go on after...
Someone who would just always clear the room.
I mean, and it would be like a packed, like it would be a night you were on, so it would be like a fucking sold out main room.
And I'm watching everyone get up and leave, so I would always go, all right, you guys can leave if you want, but if you did, I'm going to tell everyone you raped me, so it's up to you.
A white woman, I can do whatever I want.
But it was just like, I always had to do like a save line, you know, because it was like so awkward that everyone was leaving.
But what I learned, this is something I taught myself over the pandemic too, that my time on stage is my time on stage.
I don't have to bring up what anyone's done before.
I just need to reset and just do my thing.
And I can call back if I want, yeah.
joe rogan
It just takes a little time.
It takes a little time to shift them over to your style.
That was something that I learned really from watching people in Boston.
I learned from watching Dom Herrera in particular.
Because Dom Herrera was the only guy that I ever saw that went up at Nick's Comedy Stop and did well after the local headliners.
Because they used to do this really sneaky thing where they would take the local headliners, guys like Steve Sweeney and Don Gavin and Kevin Knox, and they would murder.
I mean, just murder, murder, murder.
Three guys in a row doing like 20 minutes of death.
unidentified
Yeah.
joe rogan
And then they put up a national headliner.
unidentified
Yeah.
joe rogan
And a lot of guys just died up there.
unidentified
Yeah.
joe rogan
And guys quit midweek and like big names.
Like guys in movies and shit.
And Dom Herrera went up there and just owned the room.
Just cool, calm and collected.
Just went on stage and had a big smile on his face.
And it's like, what a nice round of applause for all these guys.
Like no nerves.
annie lederman
Yeah.
joe rogan
And just slid into his material and then eventually took over and was murdering.
annie lederman
Yeah, because if you're thinking about this episode before, you're not being in the moment.
And I feel like I learned a lot.
I used to go after Rick Ingram a lot, and Rick just slaughters with crowd work.
And I used to be scared of that spot, and now I'm like, fucking bring it.
I don't care.
I'm not scared of any spots.
This pandemic was, no offense to the people that had a bad one, very good for me.
joe rogan
Was it?
annie lederman
Yeah, I really- Well, you worked.
joe rogan
You worked at it.
annie lederman
Yeah.
joe rogan
It's good for- Anytime there's a change, obviously it's not good for people that lost their businesses- Right, of course.
I was watching this thing today.
I was reading this thing today.
37% of all small businesses in America are gone for good.
That's fucking crazy.
annie lederman
Yeah.
joe rogan
And it's like- How the fuck do they ever come back if they do?
Imagine if you worked for 30 years of your life for something and you built it up and you're getting by and you're doing well and you're making a good living and then all of a sudden it's gone.
annie lederman
Yeah, but you know what?
Life is unpredictable and we got to just...
joe rogan
Yeah, but this is because of regulations.
This isn't really unpredictable.
This is just foolishness because Walgreens was open.
annie lederman
Target was open.
joe rogan
All these different places were open and they told small businesses they couldn't be open.
It's not really weird.
It's idiotic.
And there's a lot of people that think that...
I don't want to get into it.
It's people that think that it's like an effort, that it was on purpose, and that they recognize that this is an opportunity to get rid of these small businesses and build up these bigger businesses.
Yeah.
That's what the most cynical and conspiracy-minded amongst us think.
They think that they recognize this as an attack on small businesses and an opportunity for big corporations to thrive, because that's what happened to them.
A lot of big corporations thrived.
annie lederman
Speaking of corporations, I didn't take Adderall or anything today because I'm so excited to be here.
joe rogan
Do you take Adderall all the time?
annie lederman
No, every once in a while I do.
So you take meth?
I call it homework coke.
I'm like, who needs a paper towel?
But, you know, it's good to help you get up and stuff.
But it is, yeah, I'm sure.
I can't stand behind Adderall as not a...
joe rogan
It's an amphetamine.
annie lederman
But I, as someone that knows that I'm projecting an Adderall vibe right now...
joe rogan
You're not.
annie lederman
I am just so excited to be here.
The first time I did your show, I was so fucking nervous.
Do you remember that?
I was like...
joe rogan
You were a little nervous, but you loosened up.
annie lederman
I had so much fun.
I had such a good time.
Whitney was like a dream.
That was so fun.
The Whitney episode was like, that was three hours of my life that I cherish.
So fun.
And then this one, I'm just like, I just couldn't wait to come.
joe rogan
Look, I'm wearing your shirt.
I know.
annie lederman
AnnieLatterman.com.
joe rogan
This black rifle that has 300 milligrams of caffeine, don't fuck with this.
annie lederman
I'm so scared.
Rich mocha?
joe rogan
It's really delicious.
annie lederman
Do I get rich if I drink it?
joe rogan
No, it's got a rich flavor.
annie lederman
You've taught me so much, my king.
LAUGHTER The days not too long ago when you were slapping hundreds into my hand.
joe rogan
Well, you were broke.
annie lederman
I know.
No, I really appreciate it.
But do you remember when I was going to...
I liked when you told me if I got people away from you that were annoying you, you would give me a hundred bucks.
And then I was slamming people and you were like, that's my friend.
And I was like, oh shit.
I like misread it.
unidentified
I was body slamming people into shit.
joe rogan
Yeah, the old parking lot days.
annie lederman
I know, it's fun.
Listen, it's getting, it's in an interesting place right now because it's not like full capacity, the Comedy Store, but it's really fun.
Are you going to come back and visit us soon?
joe rogan
Yes, for sure.
Yeah, when I'm in L.A., I'll definitely come back.
annie lederman
You got to come back because it's, we miss you.
joe rogan
I'm on a plan, I'm on a plan like a weekend, do a weekend there.
Just take a trip and see the homeless shelters and shit.
annie lederman
Well, listen, you lied to me about the homeless people here.
joe rogan
They cleared out Town Hall today.
annie lederman
Well, today I didn't drive.
Yesterday they weren't cleared out.
I saw a woman, bottomless, okay?
joe rogan
Congratulations.
annie lederman
Here.
And by the way, our homeless people, can I just say?
No.
Our homeless people in L.A. at least are cute because they were trying to be actors at one point.
unidentified
No, they're not.
annie lederman
They were trying to be actors.
How are you fat and homeless?
How are you obese and homeless?
joe rogan
Because there's a lot of food out here.
The Tex-Mex is really fatty.
But there's a lot of services out here, unfortunately, or fortunately, depending upon whether or not you want to...
annie lederman
We've just got to figure out...
Listen, I don't want to look at homeless people like they're the enemy or anything.
Obviously, it's...
joe rogan
They're not the enemy.
It's unfortunate, but it didn't used to be like this.
And you've got to think, is it really like that many more people are homeless, or is it that they don't go to shelters anymore and now they're camping?
Because that's the argument about it in here.
I don't know.
I haven't really done any research.
But the people that I know that are paying attention say a lot of what happened was when they lifted the ban on camping, the outdoor camping thing, all these people that used to stay in these shelters decided to just camp.
annie lederman
And they could do drugs.
They could do drugs.
joe rogan
Nobody fucks with them.
And then they go back to the shelters if they want food.
annie lederman
I mean, my neighborhood, I just moved out.
I used to live near the Grove and I had to move out of there because it was so fucking dangerous because it's like meth addicts.
It's not just like people that are hard on their luck.
Like it's drug addicts who are like violent.
My I had the citizens app was just pops up with all the fucking horrible things happening, which is like what a nightmare.
But I'm glad I saw it because there was one one time I'm out walking my dog.
And a fucking homeless guy went into some guy's backyard, just random dude.
He goes out.
He's like, what are you doing in my backyard?
Stabs him in the fucking neck.
That homeless guy was like on the run for the whole day just with a knife.
He assaulted one other person, but he killed that guy.
That was my street.
joe rogan
Yeah.
That's fucked.
annie lederman
Like, I'm just walking my dog?
joe rogan
Well, and cops don't do anything.
If someone jumps into someone's backyard, they don't arrest them.
Like, you have to do, like, $900 worth of theft before they'll even arrest you.
annie lederman
Really?
joe rogan
And if they do arrest you, they just put you right back on the street again.
annie lederman
And has it always been that way, or is this after the defunding?
joe rogan
After the defunding.
annie lederman
Yeah.
joe rogan
The defunding of the police in Austin's been a disaster, too.
And New York.
New York's been a disaster.
It's terrible everywhere.
It's a terrible idea.
Also, the idea that you're going to send social workers to handle someone's domestic violence case is fucking bananas.
And there's a lot of people that don't understand violence that think that's okay.
And they have this utopian idea of like, we don't need the police, man.
We were talking about defunding the police.
We're talking about defunding the police.
That's what we mean.
And then guess what, fuckface?
When there's crazy gang lords roaming the streets controlling everything, like certain parts of New York, and then people get murdered.
annie lederman
You made it sound really cool.
These gang lords, they're wearing their pimp jackets.
joe rogan
But people in gangs are...
Look, this is...
What's happening in Mexico could easily happen here with no police presence.
People have to understand that.
annie lederman
Diarrhea when you drink the water?
I'm not quite familiar with what's going on.
joe rogan
No, cartels.
annie lederman
Violent cartels.
Cartels.
It reminds me of cartoons.
My shirt.
joe rogan
I don't think it's the same.
It's a different word.
unidentified
Okay.
annie lederman
Yeah, no, it was really weird because I was in the area that I lived.
joe rogan
That's where Tony lived, too.
annie lederman
Yeah, they burned cop cars very near my house.
joe rogan
He used to love that area.
annie lederman
It was so beautiful.
It was so nice.
joe rogan
And now it's all full of tents.
annie lederman
It was really rough.
joe rogan
Do you know that they're spending fucking...
Oh, you ready for this, Jamie?
How about this?
I'm going to send you this, Jamie, because this is fucking crazy.
annie lederman
But as we're talking shit on Los Angeles, there's still at-home people here.
joe rogan
Well, it's nothing in comparison.
annie lederman
It's a smaller town!
joe rogan
What's this?
jamie vernon
It's an Instagram account, yeah.
Street People of Los Angeles.
joe rogan
Street People of Los Angeles is good.
Gutter People of Los Angeles is better.
That's my favorite one.
annie lederman
Oh my god.
You guys, this is sad.
jamie vernon
This is the video I was looking at when you're talking about this activist lady is trying to, I guess, help, but there's also a guy with a machete just standing right behind her.
annie lederman
Jamie, when you watched this the first time, what part did you come?
joe rogan
He comes all the time.
He just comes multiple times.
jamie vernon
Not as much as Tom Segura, but...
joe rogan
Yeah, not like Tom.
I'm going to send you something, Jamie.
This is...
Remember how Coleon Noir was on and he was talking about how the reason why the homeless situation never gets fixed is because so many people are working on the homeless situation and they spend hundreds of millions of dollars.
LA spent, I thought there was no money.
That's not the case.
Hundreds of millions of dollars get spent on the homeless.
annie lederman
And thank you for your contribution to that, rich man.
joe rogan
But you know where it goes to?
It goes to the salaries of people working on the homeless.
So someone posted all the salaries of all these people.
Look, they're all like six figures and more.
Look at it.
$254,000, $263,000, $198,000, $264,000.
They make a shitload of money.
annie lederman
You would think it is a job you would want to pay people a lot because you want great money.
You want results.
This is a puzzle.
This is a puzzle someone needs to solve.
joe rogan
But you want results.
When you get no results, you shouldn't get that much money.
unidentified
Exactly.
annie lederman
And there's too many people.
There should be, like, a committee of five people that are experts.
unidentified
No, no, no.
joe rogan
You need a lot of people to deal with the homeless situation in L.A. It's 100,000 homeless people.
You have Boulder, Colorado in L.A. in homeless.
Like, take the entire population of Boulder and make it homeless and then put it in L.A. Boulder's the opposite of that.
annie lederman
Boulder's just these gorgeous, fit...
unidentified
Hikers.
annie lederman
Hikers.
joe rogan
Yeah.
annie lederman
They're hot, but they're wearing those toe shoes and Tevas so you wouldn't bang them, but you're like, I understand.
joe rogan
They're taking a yoga mat to the top of a cliff.
annie lederman
They got a yoga mat.
They're wearing Joe Rogan fanny pack.
jamie vernon
This is a story I heard on the LA News that they bought these things for the homeless shelter situation, and they were just hanging out near a Dodger Stadium unused until someone found them with a drone one day.
unidentified
You know what?
joe rogan
That's not going to fix anything either, man.
annie lederman
I want one of those.
jamie vernon
They spent a bunch of money on it.
joe rogan
Right, but here, so then you're going to get homeless people and they're going to live in these things.
annie lederman
They're going to make it so nasty.
joe rogan
However the way they want to.
This guy's talking around.
They're going to live however the way they want to in those things.
Up there, just doing drugs and lighting things on fire.
annie lederman
And it's like nice living in LA. It's like the weather's beautiful.
joe rogan
Pretty nice.
Well, that's why they like to go down to the beach.
It's very, you know, it's very maintained.
The ocean air comes off.
annie lederman
I think what they're doing, I know they have beachfront property.
joe rogan
They do.
annie lederman
They're putting decks on.
I'm like, you guys, this is crazy.
You guys are living a better life than me.
joe rogan
Venice is bananas.
annie lederman
But Venice is, I think they did something where you can't loiter or litter or something.
So now the homeless people are like cleaning.
It's like cleaner.
unidentified
Yeah.
joe rogan
What the fuck?
annie lederman
Or they can arrest them.
joe rogan
You can't camp.
How about that?
Get the fuck out of here.
annie lederman
Yeah.
And you know what's weird?
You know what I noticed the other day?
There's people that are not quite homeless yet.
That's how you know.
It's like these are drug addicts.
It's like people that are not...
You see them leaning into that life where you're like...
If they weren't allowed to camp, they would probably...
joe rogan
It's just the whole thing is dumb.
You can't allow people to just camp on streets in the middle of nowhere.
You just can't.
You just can't.
In the middle of your streets, put tents up.
You just can't allow that.
They passed a ban on it here, and today is supposed to be the day that the second phase goes into effect.
annie lederman
I was going to say, because I can't allow my king to tell me there's no homeless people in his town.
joe rogan
No, there's homeless people.
There's just not a lot.
annie lederman
Yes, there are.
joe rogan
No, there's 2,000.
2,000 to 3,000.
annie lederman
It's a small place.
I see them everywhere.
joe rogan
Well, there's a lot.
I mean, in terms of like visually.
annie lederman
I'm telling you, I saw this obese homeless woman, bottomless, running across.
I mean, the amount of vaginas I see in this goddamn business.
But she was running across wearing a mask.
I was like, I was promised no masks and no homeless people.
And I'm getting a mixture of both.
joe rogan
Well, this is the most progressive, air quotes, city in Texas, so you'd get a lot of people that are still scared of the Rona.
They could double mask up when you go outside.
annie lederman
You know what I will say about the masks, though?
What?
I'm ready for them to be done, but on an airplane, I used to get sick all the time traveling.
I might be one of the people that wears that mask, because I judged the Asians back in the day for wearing the masks on the plane.
joe rogan
I don't know if that's what it is.
I think you are traveling a lot less now and I also think you're probably taking care of yourself a little bit better because you're worried about the Rona.
Like most people now are starting to take vitamins and most people are really aware of vitamin C or vitamin D rather.
They just did a study that showed that vitamin D deficiency is a bigger comorbidity factor than even being obese.
annie lederman
Now the vitamin D you're talking about, is that the same you get from the sun?
joe rogan
It's better if you get it from the sun.
annie lederman
Yeah.
joe rogan
But you can supplement and it's adequate.
annie lederman
Am I noticing a tan on you or am I making that up?
joe rogan
I go outside.
annie lederman
You do?
joe rogan
I go outside.
annie lederman
Now, last night when I was talking to you on the phone and you were yawning, is that because you had been in the sauna?
joe rogan
I was yawning on the phone?
annie lederman
You seemed tired and I kept going.
I did not read the room.
joe rogan
I probably just yawned.
annie lederman
Oh, really?
joe rogan
Yeah, but I was in the sauna last night.
annie lederman
Because I saw the sauna picture.
Did I talk to you after the sauna?
unidentified
No.
joe rogan
I don't remember.
I think so.
I think I got Alisana when I called you.
annie lederman
Yeah.
joe rogan
I don't remember though.
I'm not sure.
It's just that I do it every night.
It's like a thing that I do.
I just fucking...
It's fine until the last 10 minutes.
The last 10 minutes when I write these sappy posts on Instagram, like I am almost dead.
annie lederman
I love when you're emotional roguey.
joe rogan
Well, I'm very introspective, and I feel very vulnerable when I come out of that place, and I feel like that's a good thing to express, because I think a lot of people feel vulnerable, and I think a lot of people also see people that are doing well, and they think they're never vulnerable.
Like, I make myself vulnerable.
annie lederman
Yeah.
joe rogan
You know, I make myself vulnerable through workouts.
I make myself vulnerable through jujitsu and sauna and all kinds, and, you know, stage, creating comedy and all that shit, too, but everybody's vulnerable.
It's important.
It's important to express and it helps people understand their own thing better.
annie lederman
Yeah.
When you do jiu-jitsu, you train with like, you're not in a class, right?
joe rogan
Sometimes.
Yeah.
But I've been doing, out here I've been doing a lot of privates because I'm trying to learn the leg lock game.
I'm trying to, because when I was doing jiu-jitsu regularly, it wasn't, the leg lock revolution really happened about five years ago and I missed it.
So I understand it in a crude sense, but I don't understand it like I know the rest of Jiu-Jitsu.
I'm a black belt in Jiu-Jitsu, but I'm not a black belt in leg locks.
annie lederman
We always did a leg lock warm-up every day in every class.
But honestly, I'm like...
Do I want to go back?
joe rogan
Do you want to go back?
annie lederman
I don't know.
I have to think about it.
joe rogan
Did you enjoy it?
annie lederman
I did very much enjoy it.
It's fun because it was like...
joe rogan
There was a lot of girls, right?
There was a lot of girls.
annie lederman
Yeah, there were girls.
I didn't feel like that was an issue, but it just was...
It's dirty.
joe rogan
It is dirty.
annie lederman
You can't get sick.
Nobody washes their rash guards well.
unidentified
Oh, really?
annie lederman
They're mildewy.
Yeah.
joe rogan
They smell?
annie lederman
Yes.
joe rogan
That's the worst.
When you're rolling with someone and they stink, it's rough.
annie lederman
And it's like, I know it's not about that, so I'm trying to like, you know, mind over matter.
It's like, again, I'm on fear factor.
But it's just like, and the ball sweat and all of it, it's just a lot.
And you get someone that's the most sweaty.
I bet you're fucking sweaty as shit when you're- Oh, I sweat like crazy.
joe rogan
Yeah.
annie lederman
I'm sweaty too, I mean.
joe rogan
But that's because I put in effort and I drink a lot of water.
annie lederman
Yeah.
joe rogan
You're supposed to sweat.
annie lederman
I've been drinking mad fucking water.
joe rogan
Mad water?
annie lederman
What is that?
It's a new type of water.
Sponsored by Mad TV. No, just a lot of water.
It's so good.
Oh, did you pause?
joe rogan
I coughed.
I coughed.
annie lederman
It made it louder on mine.
No, it didn't.
I thought you were going to be like, move it along, bitch.
Nobody wants to hear about your water intake.
joe rogan
That's the cough button.
We're like a regular radio show.
annie lederman
I don't like that you stupid bitch tone.
joe rogan
What's that?
annie lederman
I don't like that you stupid bitch tone.
joe rogan
What do you mean you stupid bitch tone?
annie lederman
I didn't know I had this.
joe rogan
What are you saying?
Your stupid bitch tone?
You're saying I had a tone with you?
No, I'm just explaining it to you.
You're so fucking sensitive for you.
I'm wearing your shirt.
You know I love you.
Jesus Christ.
annie lederman
No, I know you love me.
joe rogan
I do.
annie lederman
I was telling Jamie I use your Tumblr.
unidentified
Oh, do you?
annie lederman
I drink my JRE Tumblr all the time.
joe rogan
Out of your Yeti Tumblr?
annie lederman
My Yeti.
Nice.
joe rogan
So you're back doing shows.
annie lederman
I'm doing shows.
I'm having the most fun on the road.
I'm on the road.
You can check out my tour dates.
joe rogan
Do you bring anybody with you?
annie lederman
I'm trying to find the right person to bring with me because it's such a vibe.
You need someone that's cool to hang out with that knows boundaries if I don't want to hang out too much.
Because I found the couple gigs that I've done, even though my openers are really nice, I can't handle that.
The questions, the energy is something I'm not interested in doing.
joe rogan
Sometimes it's rough when you're trying to get ready for a show and they want to talk to you about stuff and ask questions and you're writing notes and you're like, hey man.
annie lederman
Yeah, I don't want to be rude.
I don't want to be one of those people that's like, no one's allowed in the green room, but it's like, no one's allowed in the green room.
I can't.
Unless I find the right person.
joe rogan
Well, the worst is when they bring friends.
Like you have an opening act and they bring three friends in the green room and they start taking pictures.
You're like, hey, hey, hey.
What are we doing here?
This is work.
annie lederman
I know.
And it's always up my feet.
I'm like, those can't get out.
joe rogan
Don't you pixelate them all?
annie lederman
I do.
I've been pixelating.
unidentified
Quickly.
annie lederman
So I'm doing two really incredible shows that I'm really excited about.
My main tour is going to start in the fall, but I have a bunch of shows.
I'm going all over the place, so go to my website.
joe rogan
You're trying to do small places?
annie lederman
I'm doing clubs, and then I'm doing Caroline's, which was where I first started.
joe rogan
That was your first show?
annie lederman
It wasn't my first spot, but it was my first weekend.
I worked with Jim Norton.
It was my first weekend working.
joe rogan
Oh, that's nice.
annie lederman
It was so fun.
And I did their March Madness contest where I waited in line like it was last comic standing.
And I did one minute in front of Lewis.
And I got passed on to the next round.
And I got really far.
And that was very early in my career.
And then they kept my...
My stuff and then Norton likes to have a female opener so it balances his act.
And so he picked me and I opened for him and then I went on the road with him for about a year or two.
joe rogan
That's awesome.
annie lederman
And learned so much.
But I'm going back to headline for the first time in August.
I'm so excited.
joe rogan
That's your first time ever headlining in Caroline's?
annie lederman
Caroline's, yes.
So it's like this weird full circle.
I'm just having such a good time coming back.
I'm going to all these different places.
My...
I'm also doing a show for the Eagles.
Not the band.
joe rogan
Philadelphia?
annie lederman
Where I'm from.
So I'm going back to Philadelphia at the Lincoln Financial Field.
I'm doing the stadium that they play in.
It's through the Eagles.
It's for this charity called Laughter Heals.
joe rogan
How many people are going to be there?
annie lederman
I don't know.
That's like 50,000 people or some shit, right?
It's going to be so fun, but it's like a lot of Philly acts.
joe rogan
It's going to be Big J. Are you going to say cunt in front of 50,000 people?
annie lederman
Of course I'll say cunt.
joe rogan
That's weird.
annie lederman
Eleanor Kerrigan's going to be there, so she'll say cunt.
Maybe if I'm bringing her up, I'll be like, this cunt.
Steve Simone's going to be on it.
It's really...
Craig Shoemaker's putting it together, but it's going to be so fun.
joe rogan
Wow.
And so it's just an all-comedy show?
annie lederman
It's an all-comedy show.
joe rogan
In a stadium?
unidentified
Mm-hmm.
joe rogan
Jesus.
annie lederman
And it's a charity through the Eagles for bringing back the excitement of being back on the road and everything coming back.
joe rogan
How long did you take off?
annie lederman
I took off a lot of time, Joe.
A lot.
joe rogan
How many months was it before you went on stage again?
annie lederman
I did some shows in Whitney's backyard, which kind of got me back into it.
I don't think those count.
You don't think those count?
unidentified
No.
annie lederman
Okay.
I felt like they did, because it really did feel...
It was people I didn't know in the audience.
joe rogan
No, they definitely count.
annie lederman
Oh.
It was so fun.
I love my queen.
joe rogan
She's awesome.
annie lederman
I love her.
joe rogan
She's a wild lady.
That lady never stops working.
She's always grinding.
annie lederman
It's really unbelievable.
joe rogan
Yeah, there's no end.
annie lederman
My boyfriend does clips for her, does like edit stuff for her.
And so I see, I mean, this is a 24-7 job.
This lady is, her brain is working.
joe rogan
It's always, it's always like, it's always fucking 50 different directions, 100 miles an hour.
annie lederman
And I can always count on her if I need advice, if I need help with something.
She will always find time.
joe rogan
Well, she's crazy, but she's wise.
annie lederman
I love her.
joe rogan
She's very wise.
annie lederman
I love her.
joe rogan
I mean, I love the hustle.
I respect work ethic more than almost anything in this life.
When someone's just always out there grinding, not making any excuses, just always hustling.
That's her.
She's never like, this business doesn't care about me.
I don't get the breaks I deserve.
Bob, they want me to prove myself.
There's none of that with her.
With her, it's go, go, go.
annie lederman
And once you get rid of that shit, which is the stuff that I've really worked on getting rid of over the pandemic, you just fly.
I'm just feeling so good.
I feel like a ray of light.
I just feel so good.
joe rogan
It's energy.
It's energy.
Whether you look at it that way or not, like people love to make excuses for why they're not as successful as they think they are.
But when you do that, and there's all these other people around you that are killing it, do you really think there's some fucking conspiracy against you?
No.
You're wasting energy.
And that same kind of energy that you waste saying, what about me?
What about I don't?
annie lederman
It's all the energy you can be putting towards.
Exactly.
joe rogan
It's a 100% energy waster.
It's all it is.
It doesn't do you any good.
annie lederman
Just the like waiting for Hollywood, like all the cancel culture shit, all that stuff, is you expecting Hollywood to pick you or something?
Do you know what I mean?
joe rogan
It's just negative energy.
It's negative energy for no fucking reason.
And it's also when people see someone like you who's doing well and they'll attack you.
The only reason they're doing that is out of jealousy.
That's it.
That's it.
If someone doesn't like you or like your act, who gives a shit?
annie lederman
It doesn't matter.
joe rogan
There's a lot of people that I don't like.
I don't fucking talk about it.
annie lederman
If I work on loving myself, and guys, get ready.
Can you do a fake tear?
I very much do.
And I did not before.
I didn't realize that.
joe rogan
When did it start?
annie lederman
Over this pandemic.
joe rogan
You didn't love yourself before the pandemic?
annie lederman
I mean, I liked myself, but I was really mad at myself.
I was being hard on myself.
unidentified
For real?
annie lederman
Yeah.
joe rogan
In what way?
What was bothering you?
annie lederman
I think that I just had this subconscious belief that I was just bad.
It was just from childhood.
It was just like this message that I got as a kid, how I perceived how I was treated or something.
And I just clung to that.
And I look at everything.
The way I wasn't making money, the way I felt so like I needed things.
And it was because it was low self-esteem.
joe rogan
Well, here's what's important.
That's most of us.
That's most of us.
Even me.
Yeah, that was me for a long time.
Most of us feel inadequate.
And then when you become successful, a lot of us have imposter syndrome.
And things start doing well.
And even though you know you've worked hard, and even though you know, like, oh, that show went well.
You still, you feel like an imposter.
annie lederman
But I've really worked on not doing that anymore because I would have so much anxiety even performing.
This is something I've done every single night, multiple times a night for 12 years.
And I'm going to the show going like, I hope they like me or whatever.
It's all external validation instead of going like...
I'm proud of my work.
I love what I do.
And I can't wait to get on that stage and do it.
And it's just changed everything.
And being like, I'm here to entertain these people.
We're going to have this experience together.
And it's been insane.
I just sold out Brea.
I'm just starting to sell shows out.
unidentified
That's awesome.
annie lederman
Yeah, it's been really amazing.
joe rogan
Did you read books?
annie lederman
How did you shift?
Okay, so I've been listening to this podcast by this guy, Jim Fortin, The Jim Fortin Show.
joe rogan
Fortin?
Like Norton?
annie lederman
Yeah, but with Fortin, yeah.
And I signed up for a coaching course of his and it's changed my life.
joe rogan
Really?
annie lederman
I've never in my life.
It's just, it's a 14 week course and each week builds on the next week and it just starts with subconscious reprogramming.
So he used to be a hypnotist and he works with a shaman.
So it's like brain science and ancient with like spiritual wisdom and it's just been like, I just can't believe it.
joe rogan
How'd you find out about him?
annie lederman
I randomly was listening to a podcast.
I went to, on this podcast, The Adult Chair, that's this really amazing woman, Michelle Chalfant, that I listened to.
And then she had him on, and it led me to him.
And this just, it's like, I really feel like the universe gave me this curriculum.
It's just so cool.
The program's just amazing.
It's like, no excuses.
I'm 100% accountable for my life, 100% of the time.
And now that I have that That view, and I do these, I do meditations every night, I do, what do you call it, visualizations, and I'm reprogramming this subconscious thought of like, I'm not worthy, I'm not good enough.
And I now, I'm approaching things, I mean, you can get it anywhere.
These are all things I've heard before.
You know, I've gotten advice from people, I've read a lot of self-help and stuff, but for some reason the way he does it for me is like, at this very moment in my life, is exactly what I need.
joe rogan
Wow.
So just a big shift.
annie lederman
A huge shift.
And I feel...
Yeah, I just...
Money has just...
joe rogan
Come your way?
annie lederman
Just come my way.
joe rogan
Oh, interesting.
annie lederman
Congratulations on that.
Listen to this.
So I was living in this...
I was living in this...
I mean, it's maybe a laughable amount to other people, but to me it's huge.
But I was living in this apartment building when the pandemic hit that...
Got bought by another company and they started doing construction.
They were like buying people out.
For some reason they didn't offer to buy me out.
I just wasn't home the day they were knocking on doors.
So I was living in a construction zone where they were doing construction around my apartment bottom next to me.
I'm just like in hell.
I got an ulcer.
I was free.
I just was like in so much stress.
joe rogan
Why didn't you call somebody and see if they'll buy you out?
annie lederman
I did, and they refused.
Really?
Fuck you, bitch.
joe rogan
We bought everybody else out.
annie lederman
Exactly.
And I thought, like, oh, I'll just wait it out.
Eventually they'll buy us out.
And so I was waiting and waiting and waiting in this terrible environment, miserable, like really like suffering.
And my boyfriend and I went to visit our families for the first time after the pandemic.
And I just had this, like, loving, wonderful place.
I was taking this new course.
And one of the things that Jim talks about is, like, do not be a victim of your circumstances.
So my circumstances were bad.
You know, my circumstances were that I was living in this shitty apartment.
And I was like, I'm too, you know, the past me would have been like, I'm too broke to move.
We came home and they had boarded up, like it was a Black Lives Matter rally, like boarded up the entire front of our building.
There was just this little narrow hallway to go into the, it was insane.
It's like, I can't live here.
They took our laundry away.
They moved our mailboxes outside so that homeless people could just take our mail.
unidentified
Really?
annie lederman
And yeah, it was just so many crazy things because I think they were just trying to get us to leave, right?
But I was in this like fight with them.
joe rogan
Was that legal?
annie lederman
I don't think it's legal, but I don't care because I got the fuck out of there.
We were walking up and I said to my boyfriend, I go, this is the last month we live here.
I don't give a shit how we do it.
I open up my mailbox.
There's a letter from the IRS. I start to go to my normal panic like, oh fuck, I owe the IRS money.
Instead, I took a breath.
I'm like, I'm paying money for this course.
Let me use this course.
I go...
I'm not like, you know, money is not a thing I'm scared of or whatever.
I open it up.
It's a check for $6,000 for a year that they forgot to pay me.
So we moved out immediately, got a new lease in a beautiful place near the beach, and it was like done.
joe rogan
Do you think you made that happen with your mind?
annie lederman
I don't think I made that happen with my mind.
Do you think you might have?
Maybe.
joe rogan
Do you think maybe?
annie lederman
Maybe.
joe rogan
Do you think Jim would tell you you made it with your mind?
unidentified
I don't...
annie lederman
I think...
Maybe.
Maybe he would say...
joe rogan
Female shaman mind.
annie lederman
With my girly shaman mind.
Maybe.
You know what I've been using too?
joe rogan
What?
annie lederman
Duncan told me this when he did an episode of my podcast, Mean Spiration, which I'm coming back with my solo podcast, rebranding it soon.
joe rogan
You're not going to call it Mean Spiration?
annie lederman
I think I'm just going to call it the Annie Letterman Show.
joe rogan
I like that better.
annie lederman
Yeah.
And so subscribe to Annie Letterman YouTube because that will be coming soon.
joe rogan
When are you going to start then?
annie lederman
I want to start it as soon as possible.
Maybe when I go back, maybe in July.
But I have ideas for my set.
I have a whole vision of what I want to do.
joe rogan
You have a set in LA? Mm-hmm.
Do you know where you're going to do it?
Don't tell anybody because they'll fucking stalk you, but do you have a spot?
annie lederman
I had a spot I was looking at, but the room's too small, and I'm just open to looking at other studios.
But I'm really excited, and what was I saying?
Oh, Duncan came on my podcast.
So if you guys do go to my YouTube, watch, look up the Duncan episode.
It's my favorite thing I've ever done.
He's the best.
It was me and Duncan for like two hours.
Just, I cried.
Like we were just in it.
I just love him.
joe rogan
He's the best.
annie lederman
He is just this sweet ray of light.
joe rogan
He brings things out in you.
annie lederman
He's just an angel.
And I honestly feel like...
When I look at him, when I look at you, those are the things that I love about you guys.
That's what I aspire to be, is someone that's a light.
I don't need to go up there and be mad at an audience.
There's no reason.
joe rogan
No.
This is too much fun.
annie lederman
And it's so fun.
But he said this thing to me on the podcast where he said, I don't remember the name of the guy whose theory it is, but it's the idea of pro-noia.
Did he mention that on your podcast?
So it's instead of paranoia, where you're assuming that the universe is conspiring against you, you just assume they're conspiring for you.
So that whenever anything happens, and that type of thought process has helped me.
Because even if you think about it, if I'm thinking, okay, something horrible happened, oh no, what am I going to do?
But if I look at it and I go, oh, this is a shift now, and now I'm moving on to something better, and then I'm looking for the positive and the good opportunities, so...
joe rogan
So you're looking at things with a healthier perspective.
unidentified
Yeah.
joe rogan
And that in turn leads to more success.
unidentified
Yes.
joe rogan
Yeah.
And then you're not wasting time.
unidentified
Right.
joe rogan
Doing that woe is me shit.
unidentified
Right.
joe rogan
Or being why her?
Why him?
What about me?
annie lederman
Why they?
joe rogan
Yeah.
Ooh.
Non-binary.
Got to cover the non-binary folks.
Yeah, that's a really good way to look at things.
Everyone has their own challenges.
As much as you like to think that they don't, and you like to think that it's all...
That's the thing about narcissists, right?
They always want to think they're the only ones who are struggling, so they always want to talk about their struggles.
But everybody struggles.
We're all struggling.
It's hard.
Life's weird.
And even if you're doing well financially, you probably have emotional struggles.
There's always things going on.
annie lederman
There's no control in this world, so it's like...
joe rogan
If there is, it doesn't last.
You're renting time here.
annie lederman
Yeah.
But I feel really...
Yeah, I just feel really good.
I had a really amazing time with my family this weekend.
I posted a video of...
I always surprise my nieces.
I don't know if you've seen it on my Instagram.
joe rogan
No.
annie lederman
I'm always like popping out of boxes or something.
But I hadn't seen them in a year and a half.
So my brother and I made this video.
Would you play it, Jamie?
It's on my Instagram.
You're gonna die.
Because you're going to laugh.
There's some things I want to talk to you about what I did not think through.
So when we did this, I was like...
They hadn't seen me in so long.
I was like, I'll wear my leopard print jacket to help them, so they know it's me ahead of time because they know me by it.
But look what happened instead.
unidentified
Move it back to where it goes.
annie lederman
She thought I was a fucking tiger.
unidentified
Oh, no, no, no.
annie lederman
Look at her stance.
Look how she's squared up.
joe rogan
But they're excited to see you.
unidentified
Yeah, they're so excited.
annie lederman
They then go inside and see my family and stuff.
joe rogan
That's so cute.
annie lederman
It's just so funny because they go, we thought you were a tiger, and I didn't even think about that.
unidentified
Oh, that's hilarious.
annie lederman
They were at soccer practice, and then they were in the fucking jungle book.
joe rogan
Oh, dude, last night, okay?
Last night on my security camera, there was a big black cat, like a 60, 70 pound fucking something or another.
unidentified
Oh, my God.
joe rogan
Well, I don't know what it is.
See, the thing about Texas is, there's a real issue.
There's more tigers in captivity in Texas than all of the wild of the world.
annie lederman
Really?
Because of rich people wanting- Because assholes.
joe rogan
People just have a fucking fence.
I want a tiger.
And you could just have a tiger here.
unidentified
Yeah.
joe rogan
Because of freedom.
Freedom, America.
annie lederman
Yeah, I get it.
joe rogan
Like, zebras.
Like, my wife saw a zebra once.
She was driving on the road, she saw a zebra.
A fucking zebra?
Zebras just get out, right?
Like people have zebras and they just get out sometimes.
Well, whatever this thing was, it's like a black panther.
unidentified
Can you ride a zebra?
joe rogan
No, you cannot.
annie lederman
Are they short?
joe rogan
No, they're horse-sized.
It's a fucking horse, a wild horse that cannot be tamed.
No one has ever been able to tame a zebra.
It's like trying to ride a wolf.
Like, get the fuck out of here.
annie lederman
I relate.
Maybe my spirit animal is a zebra.
joe rogan
Anyway, I'm in the middle of this.
annie lederman
Sorry.
joe rogan
Outside of my fucking house, there is a big black cat.
annie lederman
Yeah.
joe rogan
Like a black panther.
annie lederman
Wow.
joe rogan
Like as big as my dog.
You know, my dog's like 80 pounds.
unidentified
Yeah.
joe rogan
This thing is like that size.
unidentified
Wow.
joe rogan
Probably like a little less than him, but it's a big fucking black cat.
And you see its eyes on the security camera walking down.
And then my neighbor, who walks his fucking dog at night, his dog is like on death's door, right?
It's like sweetheart of a dog.
annie lederman
Yeah, of course.
joe rogan
And so he's got a headlamp on.
annie lederman
The dog?
joe rogan
No, the neighbor.
unidentified
I'm trying to tell a story and you're fucking up my flow.
joe rogan
This guy is dragging his fucking dog, right?
You know, the dog walks slow and he's kind of pulling him along on the leash.
The cat runs towards them.
I'm thinking I'm going to see a murder.
annie lederman
Were you a little excited, to be honest?
joe rogan
No, no, because I had found out about it after the fact.
I know he was okay.
But it ran towards him and then decided last second to dart off into the woods.
But it heard the footsteps, turned the tail, and it just goes running towards him.
Like it thought he was a fucking deer or something.
But it was creep.
It was a big black cat.
annie lederman
Yeah.
I'm more concerned, how are these people able to walk their dog so close to my king's home?
I don't like this.
unidentified
Wow.
joe rogan
They live in the neighborhood.
unidentified
They're walking around.
joe rogan
But this fucking cat is wandering around in a residential neighborhood.
annie lederman
That's crazy.
And it's because it's from someone else's house.
joe rogan
I don't know what it is.
jamie vernon
When I looked at it, I just typed in black panthers in Texas in the wild.
And what comes up is, from not that long ago, it says the wildlife officials say they don't exist in Texas.
And what you probably saw is a black hog or otter.
And I'm like, that's not possible.
annie lederman
I thought you were going to say it was like a Black Panther rally.
joe rogan
Listen, I have a video.
It's a black cat.
There's no doubt about it.
No ifs, ands, or buts.
And I know what a hog looks like.
They look totally different.
A hog is a big bodied thing with little tiny ass legs.
annie lederman
I'm right here, okay?
And I'm still wearing my half shirts.
I don't give a shit.
joe rogan
Black Panthers do not exist in Lone Star State.
That's not true.
annie lederman
I don't like Lone Star.
It's not so sad.
jamie vernon
So it could have been private, I guess?
joe rogan
Yeah, that's my whole point.
unidentified
Go back up.
joe rogan
Listen, that's what it looked like.
No fucking bullshit.
annie lederman
Those hot, beautiful, gorgeous eyes.
joe rogan
That is a hot animal.
annie lederman
That is a sexy animal.
joe rogan
If I was a girl, I'd want to get fucked by that.
annie lederman
Listen, my dad might be upset, but...
joe rogan
If I was a girl cat?
See, those things, Black Panthers, what they are is the spots, but the spots are all over their whole body.
annie lederman
Oh, really?
joe rogan
Yeah, so what that is is like a jaguar.
annie lederman
Is their skin, if you shaved it, is their skin dark?
joe rogan
I don't believe so.
I don't know, though.
Might be.
Show me, like, Google black jaguar spots.
jamie vernon
Well, there's this thing.
joe rogan
Jaguarundies.
The mystery of the Texas Black Panther sighting solved.
jamie vernon
What is that?
This is the year before that.
I don't know.
I mean, I saw this, too.
annie lederman
Jaguarundies?
Those sound hot.
They come in thongs?
joe rogan
One of my security guys said he saw one in the woods.
I think he said he was walking his dog too.
He saw one in the woods, a Black Panther.
He said it was just like that.
He was the one who spotted this thing on the camera.
Listen, I have a video of it.
annie lederman
I believe you.
joe rogan
It's 100% real.
So those assholes from Texas Wildlife need to shut the fuck up.
I got a video.
This thing is a real cat.
annie lederman
Well, they probably are saying there's none just in the habitat.
But they don't know that.
joe rogan
Here's why they don't know that.
Jaguars, in particular, have been spotted in the wild in Arizona.
And they didn't think they used to exist in Arizona.
They thought they were extirpated.
Pull up jaguars in Arizona.
annie lederman
It's going to be the cars.
There's a lot of retired people.
I can't help it, Joe.
joe rogan
They're new cars.
Jaguars, they still make them.
annie lederman
What's the car?
Okay, when I make my big bucks coming up here, what's my car?
joe rogan
I think you need a convertible.
annie lederman
Really?
I want to test the first thing.
joe rogan
See, these are jaguars in Arizona.
annie lederman
They're so pretty.
joe rogan
Beautiful.
Gorgeous animal.
annie lederman
You know I want to just wear that jacket.
joe rogan
Just get a fake one.
annie lederman
Of course.
I would never get a real one.
joe rogan
Don't murder the Jaguar.
annie lederman
I would never.
joe rogan
So someone killed that one, the lower left-hand corner.
Oh, that's sad.
They killed it in Mexico, and that was like a famous Jaguar.
There was one of the two remaining jaguars in the US. It says two remaining jaguars in the US, but I'm pretty sure they killed it in...
No, no, no.
Go back.
Go back.
annie lederman
Well, that's really sad.
joe rogan
See it in the left-hand corner, right below related images.
See known jaguar shown right there.
Yeah, click on that one.
Because that article, it explains how they know.
It roamed southern Arizona in 2016, but they killed it in Mexico.
annie lederman
Interesting to wear a matching dress with the background.
joe rogan
Does she have a matching jaguar dress?
annie lederman
No, I'm just saying she was wearing a blue with the background was blue.
joe rogan
You're such a girl.
annie lederman
I can't help it.
I tried not to be.
joe rogan
I do.
Doesn't say.
Anyway, I'm 90% sure they killed it in Mexico, but they live in Mexico.
annie lederman
It looks Mexico-ish.
joe rogan
Yeah, it does a little bit.
annie lederman
Except look at those slides.
joe rogan
They live in, does it say?
Killed by a mountain lion hunter.
jamie vernon
It's a rumor that it was.
He heard someone trapped or killed one in Mexico.
joe rogan
In Sonora, Mexico.
Yeah, that's what I heard too.
But my point is that in South America, they're plentiful.
They live in the jungle.
Like in the Amazon, they're very dangerous.
They jack people all the time.
They're big.
It's a big animal.
annie lederman
What do they do to them?
joe rogan
They eat them.
annie lederman
Oh, they kill them?
joe rogan
They eat people.
Yeah.
Yeah.
Do you know when people do ayahuasca and they do it in the Amazon, they have all these images of jaguars.
And there's jaguars and snakes are like a big part of the natural imagery.
annie lederman
Yeah, I did mine in Chicago.
I was just thinking deep dish pizzas and...
joe rogan
They think they're taking on the spirit of the jungle.
This is like all the things you're afraid of in the jungle and all the things that are in control in the wild and the powerful forces of the jungle.
I don't know.
annie lederman
Are you going to do ayahuasca?
joe rogan
Yeah, I would definitely do it.
annie lederman
I did it with a shaman that came here.
I literally did it in San Diego and Chicago.
joe rogan
Jamie and I are planning on doing DMT together soon.
annie lederman
Can I do it with you?
joe rogan
When are you going back home?
When are you leaving?
Are you leaving today?
annie lederman
I am leaving today.
Can I do it next time I come?
joe rogan
100%.
annie lederman
I really would love to do it with you.
I did it.
joe rogan
Yeah, let's do it.
annie lederman
It's so funny.
I was talking to Jamie about this guy we know that he would always be hitting the pen and he's like, I think I broke through.
And I'm like, dude, that's like an O'Doul's.
You don't know what the shit...
You wouldn't think you broke through.
joe rogan
Yeah, there's no...
annie lederman
You don't question whether you had...
unidentified
No.
annie lederman
There's no question.
unidentified
This experience.
annie lederman
But yeah, I really...
joe rogan
Most people take little baby hits.
annie lederman
That's my problem.
No, I was like...
I did this whole ceremony.
I took three cups.
I was out for about eight hours.
joe rogan
Did you see things?
annie lederman
Yeah.
joe rogan
What'd you say?
annie lederman
I saw...
Well, it was right after Brody died and I... Oh.
It was...
Thank God I did it right then.
Honestly, it was really helpful because...
I was really having this like moment of like hugging him and feeling like how sad he must have felt and then I purged like an egg out of my mouth.
It was like an egg and then it got like pushed out and then a bird flew out of my mouth and I think that was like my guilt about surrounding the Brody stuff, you know?
joe rogan
Your guilt about Brody?
annie lederman
I had just talked to him that Wednesday before he passed away.
He was like, my meds are weird.
I'm just not feeling right.
It's not an appropriate thought.
That's not my responsibility.
I couldn't have stopped.
I think I was just feeling...
joe rogan
It's always that way.
Whenever someone kills himself, it's always that horrible feeling where you could have done more.
annie lederman
Yeah, but it was really...
joe rogan
Brody, I remember Brody had talked to me about his meds years ago, and then he was okay.
I remember there was one time where he got off his meds, and he was acting really strange, and he would get real angry on stage, and then a few of his friends reached out to me and said, hey, don't engage with Brody.
He's off his meds, and we need to figure out a way to get him back on his meds.
Then he got back on him, and he was fine.
He was like, I gotta dial him in.
I gotta dial him in.
annie lederman
Yeah.
He was definitely having to manage a lot.
joe rogan
What was he on?
Do you know?
annie lederman
I don't know.
I think it was Lexapro, but I don't know.
I don't want to say it because I don't know for sure.
It was an interesting time for me to do it.
I did it with Curtis, Nelson, our boy.
Where'd you guys go?
Chicago?
No, the Chicago one I did without Curtis, but it was the same shaman.
We went to this place outside of San Diego.
It was in the desert.
It was a really beautiful yoga center, retreat center.
It was really amazing.
I'm really glad I did it.
joe rogan
They need to open up centers in this country.
They really do.
There's so many people that have PTSD. There's so many people that are emotionally damaged that could be helped by this.
Especially if they did it with real professionals.
annie lederman
Yeah, and they could regulate it with them.
They could make sure they're not...
joe rogan
Make sure they give them the right dose for their body weight.
Make sure they give them real stuff.
Make sure they're in a protected environment with counselors so they don't have to worry about being...
annie lederman
That's what I was thinking, too.
I was like, you know, after...
It would have been really cool if I was able to touch base with someone after my experience with ayahuasca, because I do think a lot of the things I learned are now kind of falling into place two years, three years later.
But it would have been...
Interesting to be able to like record all my thoughts right afterwards and my experience and then have someone that was trained in there to kind of go over it and kind of touch base and integrate back in.
joe rogan
Is ayahuasca like DMT in that when you have the experience like afterwards it's so vivid but it goes away quickly like the memory of it.
It's almost like your brain is trying to protect you from the memory of the experience.
annie lederman
I remember it.
I do remember it.
And I think that, you know what, I really, and I remember Curtis being like, you should write everything down.
And I'm like, I'm doing, like, I can.
I was like, so, like, just in this experience.
I just had such a beautiful, hard, but gorgeous experience.
You know, it was like, So disgusting and beautiful.
joe rogan
I always think when people say write things down, that's a good idea.
A better idea is recording.
annie lederman
Yes, I should have done that.
joe rogan
I did a recording of one of my DMT experiences.
annie lederman
Yeah, when you just catapult out of the DMT thing.
Because it's extended over so many hours.
And then the next day, it was this whole weekend process.
But it really...
I do remember a lot.
I dealt a lot with my fear of my own dad's death, which he's not.
My dad is still alive.
But I was always kind of dealing with this inevitable future pain now.
And I was bringing this negativity into my experiences with him.
And I had a whole...
Like, eulogy for him, and I could feel his, like, body in my body.
I'm always like, that's the only time it's okay for your dad to be inside you.
But it was like, I could feel, and I was like, he is me, so I'm never going to lose that.
Like, we are each other, you know, we're all the same tribe.
So I really kind of got that feeling.
But it was great.
It was really beautiful.
joe rogan
The fear of loss, of potential loss, can be really crippling.
It really fucks people up when you're worried about losing things.
I was having a conversation with this comic in Austin.
It was like, the Austin scene right now is so amazing.
He's like, I'm worried it's not going to last.
And I was like, but it's here right now.
annie lederman
Right.
joe rogan
I'm like, what are you thinking like that for?
Yeah, but man, how long is this going to last?
I mean, it's so good.
What if it goes away?
I go, hey, hey, hey, what is this what if shit?
annie lederman
You know what that is, though?
That's living in the past because that's you going back to an experience where the other shoe has dropped.
Do you know what I mean?
joe rogan
Well, it's because he's coming up.
You know, he's on the way up, right?
annie lederman
Tony Hinchcliffe.
One day he's going to make it.
joe rogan
That's not who it was.
He's on his way up and he's not totally confident that, you know, this is...
You know, sometimes people have like a path, a career path, and then they divert to try stand-up.
They always have this feeling like they have one foot on the other base.
Like, well, I could always go back to being a lawyer.
And they're like stretching and like, but I want to be a comic.
The saddest shit in the world is when they never commit and then they never make it.
annie lederman
Well, I always look at that too.
Sometimes those people that have had success in another career, they think they have a different type of entitlement.
There's a lot of entitlement in comedy.
I've suffered from it.
I'm very guilty of it.
joe rogan
Entitlement how?
annie lederman
Well, just like you're not at a place yet and you want it.
And you go like, why don't I have this?
Like what we were talking about earlier when you're like, these people have this.
Why don't I have this?
I've changed that because...
My path is going to be like no one else's.
Your path is like no one else's.
There's no pre-written thing.
This is an ocean job.
They're getting sucked under.
You're up on the wave.
It's moving all the time.
You have no clue.
We don't have these land jobs.
And for you to think that you were supposed to have something means that There's a specific path that just doesn't exist.
But anyway, so these people that have these jobs, that have success in them, then come into comedy, and it's almost like they want this rollover success.
Like, because I was here or there, so then they have this, like...
Anxiety of not being, like, at that level that they were at this other thing.
I've experienced it just with people coming up.
And, you know, it's like you just gotta start over.
And you gotta just take the hits.
But you don't, it's how you get good.
joe rogan
Well, you have to just look at what you're doing and improve upon what you're doing.
And don't look at it like you have these expectations.
The problem is, you know, when people have expectations, oftentimes they're either unrealistic or they're not grounded and centered in the reality of the circumstances you find yourself in.
And you wanted things to be better.
Like, people have, like, fucking vision boards.
In three years, I'm going to be on Showtime.
Like, listen, bitch, just fucking get better.
annie lederman
Yeah, and three years if Showtime's around, good luck.
joe rogan
Showtime will be around.
annie lederman
Just kidding.
joe rogan
How dare you?
You're still bitter about the Comedy Store documentary?
annie lederman
No, I love the Comedy Store documentary.
Could I have had a better...
That episode with us was beautiful.
joe rogan
It was beautiful.
annie lederman
Very happy with it.
joe rogan
Yeah, the one on the rooftop?
Yeah, it was great.
annie lederman
No, the rooftop one I didn't care for.
joe rogan
Too edited.
annie lederman
It was very edited.
joe rogan
We had these long conversations and they took these tiny little snippets up and I was like...
annie lederman
Yeah, that was a long, fun, weird night on that rooftop.
joe rogan
It was fun.
It was a great time.
I get to know Paul Rodriguez.
I never really hung out with him before.
annie lederman
Yeah, Paul was on fire.
joe rogan
And we found out that Paul had COVID. Oh, really?
He didn't even know.
annie lederman
That day?
joe rogan
No, no, he had had COVID. Oh, because he got the antibodies?
Yeah, we brought in...
The tests.
We brought in nurses to test everybody.
Because they were worried about everybody being up on the roof together.
And I'm like, well, just test everybody.
And then Paul had the fucking antibodies, which is kind of crazy.
He goes, yeah, I was sick.
I didn't know.
He goes, but it wasn't that bad.
Paul was like a fucking hardcore partier for 45 fucking years.
annie lederman
He's still sweaty.
He's still up there with his hat all sweaty.
joe rogan
Yeah, he was a little sweaty, but Burr was up there with us and Jay Leno.
It was a good time.
annie lederman
Imagine you're me on that rooftop.
I mean, that was amazing.
That was so fun.
It was the first time I was meeting Jay Leno.
Jay Leno was like, I love your stuff.
I was like, what?
Oh, this was really incredible.
joe rogan
That's wild.
annie lederman
And the piece that they did on me on that same episode with you was so...
I mean, I am really touched by it.
I really was very, very...
joe rogan
It's validation, right?
annie lederman
It was lovely.
joe rogan
It's like you're on the path.
annie lederman
I was getting texts from like Louie.
I was getting texts from all...
It was just like...
It just felt so good.
joe rogan
That's cool.
That's very cool.
annie lederman
And yeah, it felt great.
It was really nice.
joe rogan
Yeah, I felt like, you know, whenever there's things like that that have, like, these conversations, to impose a time limit on that.
That's the beautiful thing about podcasts, right?
As opposed to, like, a regular television show where you have to, you know, it has to be 44 minutes long or whatever it is, with showtime an hour, I guess.
But it's...
unidentified
You miss stuff.
joe rogan
You have to kill some of it.
It's all about context, right?
These conversations that we had on the roof, we were going over road gigs and material, and Jay Leno was all into being clean.
annie lederman
That was a very interesting debate.
The world missed that.
Did he keep it in?
I didn't watch that episode.
joe rogan
No, he removed it.
But Jay Leno is from a time where it mattered if you were clean or dirty, because if you were clean, you could get on television.
If you were dirty, you could not, and you would have to work the road.
So his mindset, because he was talking about financial success, which was the most bizarre conversation of all time, because he's sitting next to me, who's super fucking dirty.
And I'm like, okay, I want to be nice because I love Jay Leno.
annie lederman
He's filthy and he's rich.
joe rogan
I'm like, this is so crazy.
I'm right here.
This is such a dumb conversation.
annie lederman
But he maybe doesn't know what is going on with you.
joe rogan
He might just not know because he's paying attention to TV. He knows because I know that him and Binder were talking about me selling out arenas and he didn't believe it.
He's like, what?
Because he's not on the internet.
He's under the hood.
I can turn monkey wrenches and shit.
I know he thinks things are going well, but I just don't think he understands.
It's like he's from a different time.
There was no arena sellers.
annie lederman
Think about how upsetting that would be if he really got that he had to do all of that stuff and you got to just be yourself.
I mean, that's gotta suck.
joe rogan
He's himself when he does the car show.
Jay Leno is so good on that Jay Leno's Garage.
He's fucking excellent at it.
Coming from someone like me, who's a total gearhead, I fucking love cars, and he loves cars, and I love doing that show with him.
I never enjoyed doing late night talk shows.
annie lederman
Yeah.
joe rogan
Because I always felt like it was fun, but it's not fun like hanging out at the store.
annie lederman
Yeah.
joe rogan
It's not fun like hanging out with a friend.
Doing Jay Leno's car show is fun.
annie lederman
Because you're doing something you have a common interest, you're chatting.
joe rogan
He has it.
He has it.
He's so plugged in.
When you're doing a car show with that guy, he loves it.
So I was on his show with my 65 Corvette.
So me and him are talking and we're all like, ah!
Like the engine and the fucking, the shapes of the cars back then and look at the interior and the manual shifter and all this stuff and it's like we're totally on the same page and synced up and he's 100% himself.
Like who Jay Leno is off camera, that's how he is on camera when he's talking about cars.
He just gets to be himself.
But when he's doing The Tonight Show, he's got to be the host of a television show and it's all buttoned down and it's kind of stiff and you're waiting for the next thing and I just feel like that would be so much pressure.
annie lederman
I've known people that have written on those shows, and you see the life leave their eyes.
joe rogan
The workload is insane.
You have to write a whole new monologue every day.
You barely get to test it.
Jay used to do Comedy Magic Club in Hermosa every Sunday night, and he would run over a week's worth of material.
You'd have to practice it in front of the audience.
And so people would come to see it and then hope that they would see those jokes that week on The Tonight Show.
But it's like that world is, people that don't understand the world of podcasts, it's a different world now.
Like, it's changed.
It's like the difference between radio and TV, and then there's TV and podcasts.
It's that much of a monumental shift.
annie lederman
Do you think Jay would come on and talk to you about it?
joe rogan
He has been on.
annie lederman
Oh, really?
joe rogan
He's been on.
He was great.
unidentified
I love him.
joe rogan
He told a fucking story about being at a mob club.
He told a story about doing a gig for a mobster, and the mobster screaming at a priest about having already, I gave you your fucking money, and screaming at this priest.
Like dangerous mobsters.
He told some wild road stories.
It was really fun.
annie lederman
Yeah, I really...
That was a very...
I didn't even know I was going to love him as much as I loved him.
I mean, I've always been a fan, but it was really...
joe rogan
He's great.
But he's just from that weird world where they worry about clean or dirty.
annie lederman
I was on the stage with Burr and everyone.
I'm like, who are you talking to?
joe rogan
Burr's dirty, too.
It's so crazy.
The most successful people here are dirty.
And Britney's fucking dirty, too.
And she's right there, too.
But it's like...
I mean, her fucking special's called Can I Touch It?
unidentified
Yeah.
annie lederman
But also, he loved my piece in the comedy documentary, and I did a period fucking joke.
You know what I mean?
I'm like...
joe rogan
I just think in his mind, that was his world when he was coming up.
And in his world, he was correct.
His decisions led him to be much more financially successful.
You know all that stuff that he has?
Like if you see Jay Leno's garage, he has like 11 garages filled with millions of dollars worth of cars.
He bought all that with stand-up money.
He never touched his Tonight Show money.
Never touched it.
All that's in a bank.
annie lederman
Does he have kids?
joe rogan
No.
That's why he's got that much fucking time to do that kind of shit.
But that was his world back then.
His world was, you gotta be clean.
If you want to get on television, the only way to get famous is to be on television.
Nowadays, that's not the world.
The world is a different place.
annie lederman
I had a booker tell me once, I was really happy with my set, too.
It was maybe like five years ago.
I had just gotten into this stride where I was so happy with my set.
And it was dirty, but I was just so happy with it.
And this booker was like, you're great and everything, but you need to appeal to a Christian audience.
And I was like, what?
joe rogan
Who said that?
Don't say it.
annie lederman
I won't say it.
I'll tell you later.
You might not know him, honestly.
And I forgive him for that, honestly, because I really did hold on to being so pissed at him about that.
And I'm like, why did I? He's just trying to help me.
It was just his idea of it was so off from what was true to me.
And what I'm thinking about, even with this movie I'm writing with Bonnie, My agent, who I do really love, I finally have an agent I love, I can't believe it, Ryan.
But he was like, oh, I'm going to set you up with these people that are going to tell you what the different studios are looking for.
I'm like, I don't give a shit what the studios are looking for.
I'm going to make what I love.
And then if they want to get on board, they want to get on board.
But I'm no longer here to serve other people.
I'm here to make what I love, and that's how I would like to serve other people.
joe rogan
Well, that's the best way to do it, because if you do make what you love, it will resonate with people.
But if you don't, if you try to make what they love, maybe some people will like it, maybe some people won't, but you won't like it.
unidentified
Right.
annie lederman
And if I like it and everyone else hates it, I can take that hit.
Because I believe in it.
joe rogan
But it won't.
If you like it, other people will like it.
annie lederman
Ronnie and I are like crying laughing writing this movie.
joe rogan
Yeah, I'm telling you.
It's going to work.
It'll work.
annie lederman
Yeah, I'm just so excited.
joe rogan
But there's always going to be people giving you fucking terrible advice like that.
That's just always going to happen.
annie lederman
But also it's such a weird because the industry is changing.
Nobody really knows, you know, and the industry folk are really just trying to find their way in.
joe rogan
I got yelled at once by this really mediocre comedian when I was an open miker.
He was the host of the open mic night, and he was so mediocre.
He was just so, like, you know, he was a local middle act that was, like, barely passable.
He would get a couple of chuckles on stage.
He was nobody's favorite comedian.
He just wasn't that good.
But when he would see comics doing well, he would give you all kinds of advice and tell you what you were doing wrong.
Because he hated talent.
It was really weird.
Like you could see, there was sparks.
So he told me to stop swearing.
He told me, try to make all those jokes work without swearing.
And I was like, what are you talking about?
But isn't that how you talk normally?
He goes, yeah, but this isn't normal.
You're on stage.
annie lederman
I know.
It's like, uh...
joe rogan
I'm like, okay, you are fucking terrible at this.
annie lederman
Well, some people do do acts.
Like, some people are a character and they heighten themselves and that's...
I'm totally cool.
That's not what I do, though.
I've been spending my entire time while I'm doing comedy trying to be more myself on stage.
That's just how I like to do it.
joe rogan
Yeah.
annie lederman
Not to say that it's wrong.
unidentified
Yeah, but...
joe rogan
Listen, there's nothing wrong with an act.
But to tell someone that they have to do an act is stupid.
annie lederman
This tastes good.
joe rogan
It's pretty damn good, right?
annie lederman
Yeah.
joe rogan
Kill Cliff, pineapple jalapeno.
annie lederman
I'm drinking this shit, and so then I need this stuff to counter it.
joe rogan
Balance you out.
Yeah, this has got vitamin B in it.
annie lederman
This is why I'm about to shit myself on stage every day.
joe rogan
300 milligrams caffeine.
annie lederman
I'm always just like, caffeine, then relax.
joe rogan
Yeah, but this stuff is so delicious.
These Black Rifle espressos, they're so good.
annie lederman
They're both so good.
joe rogan
Triple shot of espresso.
annie lederman
I'm not getting paid for this.
joe rogan
It says natural caffeine like anybody gives a fuck if it's natural.
I mean, it's all just molecules.
annie lederman
Dude, all I know is that I will naturally have hemorrhoids from this, but it's okay.
joe rogan
You get hemorrhoids from shitting?
annie lederman
From shitting?
No, if I drink, I could blast my ass out with coffee.
joe rogan
Why?
annie lederman
It's like a dehydration.
joe rogan
Drink water.
Here, have some water.
annie lederman
Oh my god, here we are back again.
joe rogan
Have some water.
What the fuck are you doing?
I don't understand.
I don't understand how...
unidentified
Don't do that.
joe rogan
I have to drink out of that.
You fucking selfish.
annie lederman
You think I'm dirty?
unidentified
You might be.
annie lederman
You said I smell good.
joe rogan
You do smell good.
annie lederman
I'm selfish.
joe rogan
It's a little weird to drink out of the pitcher.
annie lederman
I was doing a bit.
joe rogan
Put your slobbery mouth in there.
annie lederman
I was doing a bit.
joe rogan
Yeah, but you spit in there now.
I'm going to have to have Jeff bring out another pitcher.
annie lederman
Hey, bring on the pictures.
joe rogan
Dude, you can spit in my mouth.
annie lederman
Catch your picture.
Oh, thank you so much.
And COVID's over.
We can spit in each other's mouths again.
I'm so glad I wasn't single during COVID. Trying to fuck during COVID. All the kinky shit you can't even like.
joe rogan
Well, some people, they put masks on and fucked.
annie lederman
Really?
joe rogan
Yeah.
annie lederman
I have a joke where I've been starting to use, I've started using condoms over the pandemic.
joe rogan
Yeah.
annie lederman
Call them dick masks.
But I'm like, these are crazy.
But there's a punchline, but you have to come see me to go to AnnieLetterman.com to see my tour.
joe rogan
Have you seen the helmets that we have out there?
annie lederman
Are they penis helmets?
No.
joe rogan
Reggie Watts sent me that.
annie lederman
Oh, those are Reggie.
I was wondering.
I was like, is this Duncan?
joe rogan
Reggie told us about it.
He was going to travel with them in the early days of the pandemic.
annie lederman
So funny.
How does his hair fit in?
joe rogan
I fucking love that dude.
annie lederman
Oh, he's amazing.
He's a true artist.
He's so sweet.
joe rogan
He's such a true artist, but he's also so smart.
He knows so many things.
Like, just talk to him about...
He's a gearhead, too.
And so we start talking about cars, and he takes it, like, many levels past me into, like, suspension geometry and the way they use their torque vectoring system to, like...
annie lederman
I can't even imagine him in a car.
I can only imagine him in, like, one of those giant, like...
The wheel, what are those called?
joe rogan
Hamster wheels?
annie lederman
No, you know those like bikes that have like a little wheel?
joe rogan
Oh no, he loves cars.
He rented a Ferrari when he was here.
annie lederman
Really?
joe rogan
Yeah, he showed up with a Ferrari.
annie lederman
Oh, I gotta do that.
joe rogan
He should.
annie lederman
Next time I'm renting a good- Let everybody know you're a boss bitch.
joe rogan
Yes.
That's what your license plate should say.
annie lederman
Boss bitch.
Boss bitch.
unidentified
Oh my god.
annie lederman
I don't want people to know.
You know Tony had his iRoast thing?
unidentified
Yeah.
joe rogan
You don't like that?
annie lederman
I don't want people to know it's me.
I want, right?
Don't you want like anonymity?
unidentified
Take your windows?
annie lederman
But I do, I also want a Tesla that's like leopard print.
That's what I was just going to say.
joe rogan
You need a leopard print.
annie lederman
I need a leopard print Tesla.
joe rogan
You need a leopard print something.
unidentified
Did you see Kim Kardashian's car she had in fur?
jamie vernon
I don't want fur.
That's nasty.
joe rogan
No, but I do want to say this.
There was an article in Time Magazine yesterday that I saw on Twitter where they were calling out Kim Kardashian for blackfishing and appropriating black culture because she had braids on.
That's all she was doing.
annie lederman
You know where I stand.
joe rogan
But anyway, the comments in the Time Magazine post were 100% against Time Magazine for saying that.
annie lederman
Oh, really?
joe rogan
They're like, cut the fucking shit.
All she did is have braids.
annie lederman
They've got to stop.
And this is also white people writing these things to try to rile up a thing so they can sell more stuff.
joe rogan
It's just clickbait.
But it's just trying to get people outraged for no fucking reason.
It's such a strange time when it comes to that stuff.
There's so much of that going on right now.
annie lederman
I know, but I think it's going to come to an end.
I'm just not engaging.
joe rogan
There's just so many people that that's their thing.
Their thing is calling people out.
I mean, there's so many weaselly, non-talented little fucks, and that's what they do.
They just try to find people that they can call out and exaggerate things and distort things.
annie lederman
If they're not comics, I don't care as much.
When comics do it, it's like, come on, guys.
joe rogan
No good comics do that.
Every comic that does that sucks.
All of them.
They all suck.
The reason why they do it is because they suck.
Otherwise they would be concentrating on themselves.
Or if they don't suck, they're definitely not at their full potential.
If they were at their full potential, they wouldn't even think like that.
annie lederman
Yeah, I just tap out of it.
I'm not...
joe rogan
Good, good for you.
The people that concentrate on other people like that, they almost always suck.
That's just a fact.
annie lederman
I've gotten off of Twitter.
I just go on Twitter to like, I post a few things here and there, but I don't ever read it and stuff.
My twin brother's always on Twitter and he seems to love it.
He works at NBC Sports in Boston, so he does like the Celtics stuff.
joe rogan
It's good for sports.
It's good for news.
annie lederman
So he likes it, but I just don't.
I mean, the most I hear about Twitter is from him pretty much.
joe rogan
It's a terrible way for human beings to communicate.
And they're communicating in text with no context, right?
It's just like this little thing.
And then other people are communicating in text.
You're not seeing the person.
You're not looking at them.
You're not having a conversation.
It's just this abbreviated blurb.
And this guy, Alan Levinovitz, who was a guest on my podcast in the past, had a great statement about that.
He says it's processed information the same way processed food is bad for you, processed information is bad.
unidentified
Yeah.
joe rogan
And if you think about all these really unhealthy people that are eating processed food, because your body's like, ugh, what is this?
That's the same thing with these people's minds that are just digesting processed information all the time.
You're not getting a real nuanced, balanced perspective.
And one of the fucking best things about podcasts is you have conversations with people, like one-to-one conversations where Most people don't get those anymore.
annie lederman
You know what I've noticed, though, about when you get under fire for things?
They never print the next day if you say something else.
Do you know what I mean?
Like, they'll catch, like, a segment of what you say, they run with it, and then if you're like, oh, I didn't even think of that part when I was saying that, they won't.
joe rogan
It doesn't matter because the people that know me know me.
The podcast is huge, right?
So the millions of people that listen, they heard the whole thing.
They get it.
And then the clickbaity people, all it ever does, and this is what's fucked, it makes the podcast bigger.
Because every time one of those clickbaity things happens, my numbers go up.
annie lederman
Yeah, and you're right.
It's not people that, like, already...
You're not losing anyone that you already have.
You're just not...
It's the people that already didn't like you.
joe rogan
But if you had a television show, that would work.
So if they wanted to cancel you and you had a television show and they could take something out of context and get you canceled, it would work because people wouldn't know.
annie lederman
Yeah.
unidentified
Right?
joe rogan
Because it's not like you have these opportunities to express yourself in these long-form podcasts.
But because I do, it doesn't work.
annie lederman
Yeah.
joe rogan
Right?
But it would work if I didn't...
annie lederman
Because they could take something Yes.
joe rogan
Well, they could take something out of context, and they could change who you are.
I've done 1,667 regular podcasts, and then on top of that, there's been, I don't know how many, Fight Companions and MMA podcasts.
It's a lot of talking.
You could go through it and find stupid shit I've said, but it doesn't mean that's who I am.
Who you are is who you are all the time.
We are a weird, nuanced creature that has a lot of conflicting ideas.
And if you take things out of context, and with doing it to try to get the least charitable interpretation of who that person is, you're doing that in bad faith.
And you do it enough times, people figure it out.
And they get it.
annie lederman
Yeah, and I also feel like on Twitter and stuff, whenever, if you've noticed the pattern, it's like people who cancel get canceled.
Everyone that points a finger, immediately they find some other thing they say.
joe rogan
Because people start looking at you.
annie lederman
Immediately.
joe rogan
Yeah, they start looking at you and you go, what have you done?
Oh, look at the N-word in your tweet.
Look at the this.
annie lederman
I know, it's like you're like, I cannot believe you came after that person with that stuff you said.
joe rogan
Well that guy that went after Tony.
Oh my god, he's got so much shit.
But that was the thing when Tony put up his whole act.
Like his whole act was racial.
Like that's literally his whole act.
So when Tony was going on and saying that after him, in context, especially since the guy opened for Tony, the guy was on Kill Tony, even his, like that was the thing in his resume.
That he was on Kill Tony and they opened up for Tony on the run.
He just took a chance because this is what people think they can do today.
And it almost worked.
annie lederman
Right.
joe rogan
Until people saw the whole set.
And some people don't care.
They still think, Tony, fuck Tony, you know, even though I saw the whole set.
annie lederman
Yeah.
joe rogan
But that is what they do to each other.
annie lederman
And that's their choice.
Like, whatever people want.
I mean, it's like, we can't control it.
joe rogan
Did you see what Louis and Ari did?
annie lederman
Oh, yeah.
joe rogan
Hilarious.
They literally made their version of it afterwards.
unidentified
Yeah.
joe rogan
When Louis called Ari a dirty kike.
Yeah.
Listen, this is what comics do, especially roast comics.
They say things that are shocking that the audience knows they don't mean.
That's why it's funny.
The audience, first of all, the other thing you see about Tony's video is he fucking killed.
The reason why he killed is because everyone there knew he was fucking around at first, and then he's got a smile on his face, and it's just, if you know Tony, this is the kind of comedy he does.
And for him to do that after that guy is just, he's being a dick in jest.
He's not really a dick.
annie lederman
I know, and then you cut it down, you caption it and everything, and I don't want to like, that guy did his thing, I'm not even, he did his thing.
joe rogan
Well he's fucked now.
annie lederman
He did his thing.
But it's like, then you're giving it, you're putting it in another, you're taking it out of context, and now you actually are hurting people, right?
There are people watching that are going like, he said that?
And now it's like, what is the point of this?
Now more people are hurt.
joe rogan
I don't think he should have either.
It's a cheat.
annie lederman
But he was joking.
joe rogan
When you're on stage, you take a chance.
And he definitely didn't think it was going to get out of that room.
annie lederman
Yeah.
But then it's sad.
It's like, so then all these people are, you know, like my boyfriend's mom is Asian.
She probably would have been so hurt.
She went on Twitter.
joe rogan
Right.
annie lederman
And then that sucks.
You just hurt like now.
But, you know.
joe rogan
Well, Tony's longest relationship that he ever had was with a Chinese girl.
annie lederman
Yeah.
joe rogan
I mean, he's not racist.
He's just trying to be funny, and sometimes you miss.
Patrice had the best line about that, and he said that whether something kills or whether something bombs and offends everybody, it all comes from the same place.
You're just trying to be funny.
And you understand it, and I understand it, because this is what we do.
We take swings.
And sometimes, like, you're about to say something, and you're like, I don't even know I should say it, but I'm going to say it anyway.
And you're like, Yikes, that didn't work.
unidentified
Yeah, whoops.
annie lederman
As it's like rolling out, oh no.
joe rogan
Yeah, but it's not like a carefully crafted statement that definitely represents all of your feelings on the subject.
It's just talking shit.
And that's what bits are until they're formulated.
That's the other dirty thing.
That's when I got really upset at people that were going after Louis when that leaked set came out.
annie lederman
Oh yeah, it's a leaked set.
joe rogan
Not only is it a leaked set.
It's not just a leaked set.
It's a leaked set when the guy hadn't done stand-up for almost a fucking year and he was clearly working something out.
And if you just left it alone, that bit probably would have been a monster.
It would have been monster.
So when people were looking at it, they'd go, oh, that's offensive.
He made fun of the people who survived Parkland.
Yeah, he did.
But if you left him alone for four or five months, he probably would have made it work.
He would have found a way to make it work, and this is the thing that happens with really controversial bits.
You start off with this idea, and you bring it on stage, and someone will be like, oh, you shouldn't have said that word, or oh, you shouldn't have said this word, and you're like, okay, how do I make it so that it reaches the most amount of people and doesn't piss people off, but gets my point across, or maybe I can say that, but I have to say something else first.
It's all about crafting it so it enters into your mind the best way.
It's almost like foreplay or something.
It's like you're trying to get in there with the least amount of resistance and the most amount of impact.
Right?
Doesn't that make sense?
annie lederman
Sometimes you need a little lube, too, though.
unidentified
Oh, maybe someone's getting old.
annie lederman
I was thinking anally, and I don't know why I was thinking of two men in this.
joe rogan
Jesus, two guys.
Both holes?
annie lederman
No, I'm not there.
joe rogan
Or one hole?
annie lederman
I'm not there.
I'm a voyeur.
joe rogan
Oh, you're watching.
annie lederman
It's me watching Gabe.
joe rogan
Two guys fucking each other?
annie lederman
Yeah, missionary.
unidentified
Oh.
joe rogan
Whoa, that's a rough one.
annie lederman
It's a weird one, but their lives are flexible.
joe rogan
Some guys are.
annie lederman
I used to watch Queer as Folk.
I used to love that show.
And they'd always be...
joe rogan
That's a fucking show that I forgot about.
annie lederman
It was good.
joe rogan
That was a good show.
That was like the first gay show.
annie lederman
Yeah, that was good.
The L Word.
You know what I've been thinking about?
You know how Ellen got canceled or everyone was going after her?
joe rogan
Yeah.
annie lederman
It's so weird.
And I've heard stories about her.
I'm sure she's...
terrible to people whatever all that stuff but then I also think do you remember that she was the first fucking lesbian to come out on TV and she was monumental and not only that but she's like had that show where she got like she's just this butch lesbian dancing into these the lives of these straight women well I feel like when you look at what happened to her when she had her sitcom right So she had her sitcom, she came out, and then basically her sitcom went away.
joe rogan
And it went away because she came out.
It was a very successful show.
It was doing really well.
And it went away because, at the time, people weren't willing to accept it.
And when you've experienced that, and you've also experienced what it must be like to be a gay woman and to try to get some traction in Hollywood, you probably build up a lot of resentment and a lot of anger.
And one of the things that definitely happens, I've seen it on sitcoms, where someone's the star of a sitcom, right?
And all their life, they wanted to be the boss.
In all their life, they get shut down.
They go on auditions.
Fuck you.
Go home.
You're not going to make it.
We didn't book you.
We canceled you.
Someone else is coming in.
And all that stuff happens.
And then finally they get something.
They have all this built-up resentment.
And then once they have everybody kissing their ass, they lean into it.
They lean into it.
Like I remember, it was Brett Butler.
Do you remember her?
annie lederman
Yeah, everyone told me I look like her.
joe rogan
You're much prettier and funnier.
annie lederman
But we both were drunks.
joe rogan
She was on Grace Under Fire, right?
She had that sitcom.
annie lederman
Yeah, she was funny as fuck.
Her stand-up was really good, too.
joe rogan
But she had a thing, and she blew up at that Chuck Lorre guy, the guy who is the two and a half men guy.
The guy's done everything, right?
He's like the biggest sitcom producer slash writer guy, really, in the history of the business.
And I think it was that kind of thing.
And Roseanne told me she had that kind of thing too.
She goes, you know, when she was on the podcast talking about it, she's like, I lost my fucking mind.
She's like, I know.
annie lederman
People are triggered.
People are not well.
Things are going crazy.
joe rogan
But it's also being in that position is nuts.
Being in the position where you are, like imagine showing up on the set and you got like a fucking 150 people that depend on you.
And you walk in, Roseanne, can I get you anything?
Can I get you a bagel?
Can I get you a coffee?
Can I get you this?
Can I get you that?
And you're on meds.
unidentified
You're like, I thought she was white!
joe rogan
Yeah, and you're fucking Tom Arnold.
unidentified
There's a lot going on.
joe rogan
A lot of confusing shit.
And she did think that lady was white, by the way.
annie lederman
Yeah.
joe rogan
I mean, the lady looks white as fuck.
annie lederman
That clip was so funny.
Was that on your show?
joe rogan
Yeah, she goes, I thought that bitch was white.
I'm like, whoa.
She goes, I thought she was Jewish.
That's what she thought.
annie lederman
And Roseanne's all into the Kabbalah, too, so she likes Judaism.
joe rogan
Well, she's a Jew.
But Roseanne is also one of the greatest stand-up comics that's ever lived.
If you go back, you can watch Roseanne's early days.
And that was something...
Not only that, like the big thing with Roseanne, when she was getting canceled and I reached out immediately because I'm like, you fucking people have no idea that this lady got hit by a car when she was 15. She had severe brain damage.
annie lederman
She had to go on Oprah and apologize for accusing her parents of She's been through trouble.
joe rogan
She was in a mental institute for nine months at 15 years old after getting hit by a car.
She used to be excellent at math.
She got hit by a car.
She couldn't even count anymore.
Do you know the whole story?
Some lady couldn't see because the sun was on her windshield.
She had a dirty windshield.
And she drove right into the intersection and hit Roseanne.
annie lederman
I gotta wash my car.
joe rogan
She was 15 years old.
annie lederman
Damn.
joe rogan
And that changed her whole fucking life.
And from that moment on, she's been mentally ill.
She's all fucked up.
She's on all kinds of pills and stuff.
But she's a sweet lady.
But she's just tormented.
She's got demons in there just bouncing around inside of her head.
And she's insanely impulsive.
annie lederman
Yeah.
joe rogan
You know, you remember when she did the national anthem and grabbed her pussy and spit and browned.
Everybody went crazy.
They were so mad at her.
annie lederman
She was screaming.
unidentified
Yeah.
joe rogan
She's nuts.
But she's also brilliant.
Like, her comedy is fucking amazing.
And, you know, they canceled her off that show.
They killed her off.
And then the show was never good.
annie lederman
It also was a show that was showing both sides.
It was like something that was really cool.
joe rogan
Well, that was another part of the problem with the show was that she was a Trump supporter for who knows what reason.
I mean, she might think he's communicating to her through winking.
annie lederman
You know what I mean?
joe rogan
It's like...
But on the show, in the first season, it fucking worked.
And all those premises and all the different things, like, she wrote all that stuff.
She was explaining to me how they started phasing her out of the writing.
They didn't want her to write anymore.
And she's like, what?
Like, what are you doing?
Like, this is my show.
They're like, you don't have to come to the writing room.
Like, I don't have to come to the writing room.
Like, what?
And then all that shit happened, and then they just killed her off.
Is that show still on the air?
annie lederman
The Conners?
I think it is.
joe rogan
Is it?
How many shows are on the air?
Just a lot of shows.
annie lederman
I don't know.
I only watch reality TV. Jamie knows.
I watched The Challenge.
This is an MTV show that's been going on.
It was like real world road rules and then they put all of these Crazy, heightened reality stars together, and they have to do some eating nasty stuff, they have to do all these different physical challenges, but it's really hard.
Jamie and I were talking about it at the creek in the cave that night that I saw you, and people were coming up to try to talk to us.
Tony came up and was like, you know what, I gotta tell you.
And I go, Tony, do you watch the challenge?
He goes, no.
And I go, I'm gonna need you to remove yourself from this conversation.
When you find a kindred person, I mean, how many years has the challenge been on?
jamie vernon
The 36 seasons.
annie lederman
What?
Wait, wait, wait.
unidentified
What?
joe rogan
Yeah.
jamie vernon
And I've seen all of them.
annie lederman
That's how I felt.
Survivor and The Challenge.
I've rewatched all of them over the pandemic.
joe rogan
How am I just hearing about this?
You never told me about this once.
jamie vernon
It's something I don't like to talk about.
It's like that secret show I watched by myself.
annie lederman
I was like, no, listen, and also, Jamie, you told him not to watch the movie Midsommar, and I need you to watch the movie Midsommar and talk to you about it.
joe rogan
You told me to not watch the movie Midsommar?
jamie vernon
We talked about it before.
I was like, ah, it's fine.
It's like a sex cult.
annie lederman
It's the best representation of a bad mushroom drip I've ever seen in my life.
They have the stuff moving and stuff.
It's a horror movie.
I mean, it is horrible.
But it's so good.
And the reason I brought it up is you were talking about Once Upon a Time in Hollywood, how they had that violent scene at the end.
You don't see that anymore.
There's some violent, fucked up shit in this movie.
joe rogan
Well, the violence scene in Once Upon a Time in Hollywood, what's crazy about it, it's a star doing horrible violence to a woman.
And you're like, whoa, this is shocking.
Obviously, a cult murderer woman, a bad woman, but it's like, Tarantino can get away with shit that no one can get away with.
annie lederman
A lot of foot stuff.
joe rogan
Yeah, he's in her feet.
annie lederman
I always want to know.
I've been asking on stage.
I'm like, are you guys one of these or one of these?
Which way do you put it?
joe rogan
What does that mean?
annie lederman
Do you go through the toe?
joe rogan
Oh, do you fuck the toes?
Do guys fuck the toes?
annie lederman
I don't know.
I'm just trying to learn about it.
I'm trying to be curious.
joe rogan
Some guys are into foot jobs, right?
Where the girl rubs their feet.
That's got to be exhausting on your hamstrings and calves.
annie lederman
But it may be good for you.
You gotta work on that core.
If you're using your core, you're fine.
joe rogan
I bet it'd be really good.
If you're lying on your back and you got your feet up in the air...
annie lederman
Dude, this is like Pilates.
joe rogan
And you're doing this?
Like, this is hard to do.
annie lederman
You do the like 100 or whatever from Pilates?
unidentified
If you're jerking off a guy like this, that's a lot of work.
annie lederman
But sometimes your jaw hurts.
I got TMJ. I get it.
joe rogan
You gotta do what you gotta do.
annie lederman
Yeah, you gotta take a break.
I understand.
My hands are getting dry.
Right.
joe rogan
Yeah, I get it.
And you need to do some core work.
annie lederman
Listen, I'm in the gym all the time.
joe rogan
In that position, if you're lying on your back with your knees up like that and you're going back and forth, that's a serious ab workout.
annie lederman
You know what you could do, too?
You could put some bars on the ceiling.
Oh, shit.
Get a full body and you're just kind of going up and down.
joe rogan
That's really hard to do, though.
You can only hang for so long.
annie lederman
Listen, I think anything's possible.
joe rogan
Yeah, anything's possible if you set your mind to it.
I mean, I've seen some people do...
That's the thing about Instagram is a lot of those fitness influencers.
You see people doing stuff.
You're like, I didn't even know you could fucking do that.
annie lederman
Yeah, it's so crazy.
joe rogan
There's so many people now that start off with dumbbells on the ground with doing a dip where they lift their leg off the ground and then they pull it all the way up and then go into a handstand.
And you're like, how many fucking people can do that?
That's...
annie lederman
I'm just working on push-ups.
I can do a pull-up.
I'd like to do pull-ups is my new thing.
You can do a pull-up?
Yeah.
joe rogan
Well, you know what you should do?
You should get one of those rubber bands.
Do you know those heavy bands?
annie lederman
Oh, yeah, how you can kind of...
joe rogan
Yeah, give you a little lift.
annie lederman
Because I used to rock climb back in the day, and I used to go to the gym, and the gym had...
A pull-up machine and they would take the weight off you.
joe rogan
Right, yeah.
annie lederman
And so that was really helpful for that.
joe rogan
Life cycle, I think it's called.
Lifestyle fitness.
annie lederman
Maybe I'll start rock climbing again.
Whitney's boyfriend rock climbs.
joe rogan
Yeah.
annie lederman
But he's really good.
You don't want to go with people that are too good.
joe rogan
Well, he could probably show you what to do.
annie lederman
But their problems are just going to be, they'll be doing like V6s or something I'm doing.
What's a V6? It's like goes V0 to, I think it can go, I don't know how high it goes, but.
joe rogan
Oh, like difficulty.
annie lederman
That's the level of difficulty of the problems, yeah.
joe rogan
Oh.
annie lederman
For bouldering.
joe rogan
Yeah, I've had quite a few rock climbers on the show and it's just like, the people that like, Alex Honnold, the people that do that shit, it's like, Jesus Christ.
annie lederman
I remember the guy I was dating when we were watching that.
He was like, couldn't sleep.
He was like, there's too much anxiety.
I'm like, why'd you watch that before bed?
joe rogan
It's hard.
I can't even look at pictures of him.
I watched an incredible documentary last night, by the way.
I was going to bring this up to you.
It's called the Anthropocene.
How do you say that word?
We're in the era, the epoch, the era, whatever it is, of human beings affecting the earth in a radical way.
And there's a documentary that highlights it with these incredible visuals.
And I watched it last night before I went to bed and it really kind of freaked me out.
That's it.
Anthropocene, the human epoch, and it's incredible.
It's one of the most visually stunning movies I've ever seen in my life.
It's just so wild.
annie lederman
Where is that picture?
joe rogan
Well, it takes place in a shitload of different places.
I don't know where that mine is, but there's so many mines.
It takes place in Russia and in Germany and in China and in Nigeria.
There's a church in Nigeria in this movie that seats a million people.
Yes.
annie lederman
Super spreader!
joe rogan
Dude, you can't...
You cannot believe what this church looks like.
annie lederman
And the point of bringing it up was that the church was having a negative impact on the land?
joe rogan
No, it's just the massive amount of people in this area and how it went from having 200,000 people in this area to 20 million in two generations.
And the impact that it's having on the environment is just staggering.
Just mountains of trash.
And they show these people in, I think it was Kenya, that were navigating these giant hills of trash.
And they showed all these people working in mines, like digging into the ground and coming out with all this material and shit and how it's getting into the rivers and getting...
Fucking crazy because they shot a lot of it with drones.
So you get this visual of the actual scope of it all and the scale of it all as they fly over these enormous treatment plants and these enormous oil refineries in Houston and all these different things.
You're like, holy fuck.
You get to see all the crazy shit that people are doing to the earth.
annie lederman
Did it make you want to take action?
joe rogan
I don't know what kind of action you could take, quite honestly.
annie lederman
Do you think getting a Tesla is the move?
joe rogan
Well, not necessarily.
Here's the thing about a Tesla.
Teslas are awesome, and I love them.
If I had one car that I could only drive ever, I think it would be a Tesla.
annie lederman
Which one?
joe rogan
The Tesla that I have.
I have the Model S. It's fucking incredible.
But what's incredible about it is the technology and the performance.
annie lederman
It's like an iPhone, right?
It updates, too?
joe rogan
It does update, yeah.
But it's just, they're so fast and they're so comfortable and smooth, but they're also made out of batteries.
Like, where are you getting the batteries?
You're getting them out of the fucking ground.
You're tearing them out of the ground.
And these strip mines and these Russian dudes that are drilling into the earth and creating these huge Oh, that's so scary.
Yeah, that's in Kenya, where they have these mountains of garbage.
I mean, I'm telling you, this film is amazing.
I wish I was high.
annie lederman
Now, did the population grow?
I watched it sober.
No, you don't think you would have gotten paranoid?
unidentified
I don't mind if I get paranoid.
annie lederman
I stopped smoking weed recently, but I might start again.
You want to start right now?
No, I don't want to.
You can smoke.
I don't feel...
It feels like it's like...
My friend...
Do you know Debra Digivani?
unidentified
I don't believe she.
annie lederman
She is fucking hilarious.
I'll send you some of her stuff.
She's so funny.
She's Canadian.
She did not put a kazoo in her puss.
But she was telling me because she had quit smoking weed.
She was like...
It felt like she...
When she looks back on it, she felt like she was like trudging through mud.
And she just felt like she'd got ankle weights off.
And I was like...
I do feel like that.
I do sometimes I'm okay with weed, but I do sometimes feel like that.
But I also...
joe rogan
It's how you use it, right?
I use it for my...
I use it to write.
I use it to put myself in a different mindset.
But I go long periods of time without it.
I go weeks without it.
annie lederman
I think that's my...
Once I can get over the sort of...
Because I think I was smoking it addictively.
I was like, oh, I want a thing.
Rather than it's time to smoke weed.
But I definitely...
It's funny using the stuff I learned through Jim Fortin.
I don't get paranoid anymore.
I know how to not get paranoid.
joe rogan
Well, that's good.
This is a definite paranoia-inducing movie, but not paranoia.
Put some more visuals up there.
Let it play out a little bit.
I wouldn't say paranoia as much as it's just realization of the scope.
Yeah.
Go full screen with this, because it's fucking bananas.
The scope of the impact of human beings on the earth when you look at it the way they're showing it.
See how it's all so much drone footage?
They really did an amazing job of the cinematography and the direction, the editing.
It's an incredible documentary.
I mean, it really is incredible.
annie lederman
Now, the place that you said the population grew that much, is that because of...
joe rogan
I don't know.
It's probably industry.
I mean, I'm sure they do know why, but I don't know why.
If they show, that's when they were burning all the poached elephant tusks.
annie lederman
Oh my god, those are elephant tusks?
joe rogan
Millions and millions of dollars worth of elephant tusks.
Yeah.
They showed that, you know, these people that are trying to fight off poachers.
But to me, the wildest thing was, you know, the drone footage.
When you see it from the sky and you get to see the scale of some of the things they've done, there's this farm, they were in Germany, and they were knocking down people's houses and knocking down these old churches to make more room for strip mining.
And you see them knock down this old church.
annie lederman
Doesn't that sound like a fun game?
joe rogan
And then you see as they go up into the sky, you see how much land they've destroyed and how it just keeps pushing deeper and deeper and deeper by creating this strip mining.
But they're like, whatever used to be there is now dead and devastated.
And they've peeled the skin back on an orange and you just have the flesh underneath it.
annie lederman
And where do the people go?
joe rogan
They fucking have to move out.
They're buying people out and, you know, there's a lady in it that was showing how, you know, she was like the last house on the street and then they're pointing to this house.
This is the last one down the road.
They just bought it and they were tearing it down.
But they tore down this old fucking church and these people had apparently locked arms over the church and they were trying to stop them from doing it and they're like, fuck you, tearing it down.
And they're tearing it down to make everything gross.
Like, the church is beautiful and the area is beautiful, but It's this, like, short-sighted thing that people do when they can extract resources, they do.
When there is a profit to be made, they make that profit.
They go after it.
annie lederman
What do we do?
joe rogan
I don't know.
It's really weird because this is a recent thing, right, in terms of, like, the history of the earth.
It's the impact that human beings are having has really only been the last few hundred years and really radically the last...
150 or so, but when you watch it in these films, it's fucking nuts.
These machines that they have that they bore into the ground with, these enormous excavator machines, I mean, they're giant apartment buildings with, like, huge teeth that dig into the earth and scoop up all this shit and cut away the mountain.
It's wild.
It's a weird movie because you're like, whoa, we're fucked up.
annie lederman
Yeah.
joe rogan
You don't think about how fucked up we are while you're being us.
annie lederman
Yeah.
joe rogan
But if you get to look at it like in a film that's really well done like that.
annie lederman
Well, you know.
You know it in your heart, you know.
joe rogan
But that church with a million people, I've never seen a building like that.
It's so big.
It's like a hundred.
That's it right there.
annie lederman
Oh, my God.
jamie vernon
This is hundreds of thousands.
joe rogan
It's designed to fit a million people, apparently.
If this is the same place.
jamie vernon
This is from 2006. I was trying to find that and got close.
joe rogan
I thought it was in Nigeria.
annie lederman
Can I pee pee and come back?
jamie vernon
There's articles about these mega churches as a booming business in Nigeria.
joe rogan
Is Lagos a part of Nigeria?
Okay, go ahead.
Look at the size of that.
Go back to that picture.
Look at the size of that picture.
Dude, that's insane.
Do you imagine how hard you would kill on stage in front of that many people?
Imagine murdering on stage in front of like a half a million people.
unidentified
What the roar would be like.
joe rogan
They need to lower that ceiling, though.
Make it, tighten it up.
Yeah, it's crazy as you're scrolling down, you get to see.
But the amount of money they must be pulling in, too.
I mean, it's a lot of fucking people.
But it also must cost a lot to keep it open.
Yeah, yeah.
jamie vernon
It's bringing in cash.
joe rogan
Oh, of course it is.
I mean, they've got fucking millions of people, man.
That's a smaller one.
I mean, how many of these megachurches do they have?
jamie vernon
I don't know.
There's a list on the top that Google gave me.
Just, there's...
joe rogan
Wow.
Oh my god, there's quite a few.
jamie vernon
These are all 10,000 or more.
joe rogan
And these, really?
jamie vernon
Yeah.
joe rogan
Well, 10,000 is like Joel Osteen.
jamie vernon
Yeah, that makes it like an arena, but then you get over 30,000 and there's not really arenas bigger than that here in America.
Stadiums there are, but...
joe rogan
How many of the ones that are like hundreds of thousands plus?
jamie vernon
A couple, three, four.
unidentified
Seems like, okay...
joe rogan
The Glory Dome.
So they're in Nigeria, and then one of them is in Brazil, huh?
Interesting.
Salvation Ministries, Hands of God.
Let's see what that looks like.
Whoa.
Oh, and he's back just in time.
Salvation Ministries, Hands of God Cathedral.
So there's a few of these that have close to, you know, have hundreds of thousands of people in them.
Fucking crazy.
But, I mean, where there's money, if you think about those Joel Osteen type characters, how much money does that guy make in a year?
Let's take a guess.
annie lederman
Ooh, a lot.
And he doesn't get taxed, right?
joe rogan
He's working for the Lord, baby.
Why would you take his money?
Take his taxes?
Come on.
That's fucked up.
What's wrong with you?
annie lederman
Listen, I love the Lord.
joe rogan
You don't love the Lord as much as I do.
annie lederman
I love the Lord.
unidentified
No, no.
joe rogan
I wanted him to get that money.
All that money.
You wanted him to give some of it to the government.
annie lederman
I wanted to give some to me.
joe rogan
The government didn't preach.
He preached.
jamie vernon
This one's live on YouTube right now.
joe rogan
Is it really?
unidentified
Yeah.
joe rogan
How many people?
jamie vernon
It doesn't say.
annie lederman
Look at this outfit.
jamie vernon
It is one of those megachurches.
annie lederman
I like how long the thing is.
joe rogan
And where is this one?
jamie vernon
It's somewhere in Nigeria.
I don't know the exact.
joe rogan
Go back to that video.
jamie vernon
Ota.
joe rogan
See that guy rocking it?
Can we get a little volume on here?
I want to hear his skills.
unidentified
It's never over with anyone engaging with God.
joe rogan
See?
Perfect timing.
That's all I needed to hear for the day.
It's never over for anyone engaging with God.
annie lederman
That's true.
I always respond to his comments.
joe rogan
That guy?
annie lederman
No, I'm just saying engaging.
To me it sounds like internet engagement.
joe rogan
Oh, I get it.
unidentified
Right.
joe rogan
Like if God leaves comments.
Keep it together, bitch.
Imagine if God said that to you.
You'd be like, whoa.
annie lederman
I'd be like, you're right, sir.
Thank you.
joe rogan
So much responsibility being God if you were leaving comments.
I know.
Because it's such a shallow way to talk to someone.
It can be misinterpreted.
annie lederman
There's got to be an account.
joe rogan
You know how he sends someone a text message and they say something and you just go, thank you, period.
And they go, are you mad at me?
annie lederman
Yeah.
joe rogan
I'm like, what?
Why would you think I'm mad at you?
Well, all he said was thank you.
It seemed a little passive-aggressive.
annie lederman
That period was really...
joe rogan
Yeah, that period was heavy.
annie lederman
No, that was a really, that was a heavy flow.
I was saying to, I texted Bonnie something and she was like, oh, I was like, can you meet to talk about the movie?
And she was like, yeah, well, let me know.
I'm building a shed with Rich.
And let me know when and I'll see if I can make it.
And I went in all caps ago, you better not be mad at me.
She's like, I'm not mad at you.
There was just something about that boundary where I was like, oh no.
joe rogan
You sound like you're crazy and needy.
annie lederman
What's going on?
No, I was having a weird week with that.
joe rogan
Was this when you were reading Jim's book or following Jim's courses or no?
annie lederman
Listen, I'm doing great and I'm a new person.
I'm not even that person I was when I said that.
joe rogan
Oh, you're reinventing yourself on the spot.
annie lederman
Yes.
joe rogan
How long ago was this?
unidentified
Last week.
annie lederman
It was, you know, yesterday.
joe rogan
Tuesday.
annie lederman
Was it?
No, but you're right.
Yesterday.
I know we're joking.
unidentified
Yeah.
annie lederman
Sing to me.
unidentified
All my troubles seem so far away.
annie lederman
What's this?
joe rogan
What is what?
Oh, it's a lighter for cigars.
annie lederman
But it looks like a car?
Or no, that doesn't look like a car?
Oh, my God.
joe rogan
I mean, I guess it kind of looks like a car.
It does a little, right?
But no, it's just a liar.
See this part right here?
That's where the...
annie lederman
And that's for cutting cigars?
joe rogan
Yes.
unidentified
And this part right here is one of these things like trims a cigar.
joe rogan
I'm not sure how it works.
It's a new one.
Hmm.
Interesting.
annie lederman
And what's this?
This trims the cigars too?
joe rogan
Yeah, that's just trimmed cigars.
That's all it does.
Oh, here it goes.
annie lederman
You cut your finger off of this thing.
joe rogan
See this here?
Put the cigar thing in there.
It goes like that.
annie lederman
That's very...
joe rogan
So you have two things in one.
annie lederman
It's amazing.
And it's a car.
joe rogan
It's ergonomic.
Do you smoke cigars, Annie?
annie lederman
You know, to be cool and fit in.
Sometimes I try.
When we're on that rooftop, I was trying and I'm like, I don't even know what I'm doing here.
But I have brothers.
I'll always try something.
joe rogan
Did you like it?
annie lederman
I thought it was okay.
I would never go by myself and do it.
joe rogan
Maybe just if you wanted to be one of the guys?
annie lederman
I did want to be one of the guys.
I have brothers.
I don't pretend that's not my life.
joe rogan
That's a weird thing, right?
If you wanted to go to a cigar bar, be one of the guys, sit around, talk about sports.
unidentified
Show up!
annie lederman
I'm like, listen.
Grow up my mustache.
joe rogan
Probably get a lot of attention.
annie lederman
Yeah, but you know, I feel like I just like to try things anyway, so...
Instead of maybe judging the trying to be one of the guys, I try to be one of the girls too.
joe rogan
Just give it a shot.
annie lederman
I like to just try shit out.
joe rogan
Do you ever sit down and say, okay, this is some things I'd like to try.
I'd like to try bungee jumping.
I'd like to try race car driving.
I'd like to try...
Do you ever do that?
annie lederman
Not really.
I'm just open to when opportunities unfold.
Because I have gone skydiving.
I went with my friend Aaron and we would go on the date.
She used to go with her dad and her dad passed away.
So we'd go on his pass away date.
And this year we didn't...
joe rogan
Did you die skydiving?
annie lederman
He didn't.
Wouldn't that be cool?
No, but they used to always go skydiving.
It would be gangster of us to keep going.
Yeah, that's what I'm saying.
No, he passed away.
He had Parkinson's.
But he...
So we would go for that.
And then this time she has kids now.
And I remember feeling the first time we went, I did only go once, but when we went, I remember feeling like my whole life I've been waiting to go skydiving.
This was going to be this amazing experience.
And then I wasn't scared to death.
I was looking for that Fear of death moment.
joe rogan
You didn't have it?
Really?
annie lederman
I didn't because I was attached to the guy, and I just knew that they did it so often.
I was like, this guy's not going to want to die, so he's going to do it right.
joe rogan
Sometimes you think they get a little too casual.
annie lederman
Maybe, but then on stage I was doing a joke about how I was underwhelmed by it, and how next time I want to go up, I want to go to a place with one star that has...
And I want the guy to be like, there's two parachutes, one works, pick, you know?
But then this guy in the audience came up to me, him and his wife, and she goes, oh, he's a skydiving instructor and he'll take you out and really scare the shit out of you.
And I was like, um, maybe I don't mean that.
And I never took him up on it because I was like...
joe rogan
Yeah, what if he tried hard to scare you and wanted to die?
Those guys die.
Brian Redband, one of his dad's co-workers, was always trying to get him to skydive.
Like, you should come skydive with me.
Skydiving's awesome.
Skydive's awesome.
And then one day he showed up at work and they're not there.
annie lederman
No.
joe rogan
He's like, what happened?
Parachute didn't open.
annie lederman
Yeah, my dad's friend is a skydiver and he went into the hospital.
I think he shattered a bunch of stuff and he stole skydives.
joe rogan
Jesus.
What happened?
It didn't deploy or it deployed fucked up?
annie lederman
I don't know the story, but also on the challenge, you saw...
What's his name?
With the hand...
jamie vernon
Jordan.
annie lederman
Jordan.
joe rogan
36 seasons.
annie lederman
Yeah, 36 seasons.
There's this guy, Jordan, who is a fucking gangster, okay?
He was born with, like, two fingers on his hand, okay?
So he competes in all these things with one...
Well, he can still use it, but, like, pretty much one hand.
But he did a...
They had to parachute down.
They had to skydive down, and his parachute didn't open, or he came down too fast, and he fucked himself up, but he still ended up doing the challenge, which is, like, three days, I think they do it, where they barely sleep, and it's just these...
It's TJ Lavin hosted.
Are you friends with him?
joe rogan
I don't know who that is.
annie lederman
Oh, he was a BMX dirt bike rider.
joe rogan
My jiu-jitsu instructor, John Jock Machado, he was born like that.
He only has one hand.
One of his hands only has a thumb.
annie lederman
These are the people that you see the shit they can do and then you're like, okay, I better get off the fucking couch.
joe rogan
John Jock is one of the greatest jiu-jitsu players of all time.
He won Abu Dhabi with one hand.
Strangles the shit out of people.
He gets that arm, the left hand, the one that only has a thumb, he slides that thing right under people's fucking necks.
annie lederman
And you can't break his cable grip?
joe rogan
Gable grip.
annie lederman
Gable grip, I mean?
joe rogan
Well, the way you gable grip is you only really need one good hand to gable grip.
annie lederman
Yeah.
joe rogan
You know?
I mean, you could easily grip someone like this.
annie lederman
Yeah.
joe rogan
But he's, you know, choking people like this, where he's sliding it under the arm and then gripping his hands.
But he's also, you know, he's been doing jiu-jitsu since he was a baby.
annie lederman
Now would you compete in jiu-jitsu still?
joe rogan
Not at this stage of my life.
It's just asking to get hurt.
annie lederman
And do you, like, spar and stuff still?
Yeah, sure.
Do you ever get hurt?
joe rogan
Yeah.
Yeah, I got hurt a couple weeks ago.
annie lederman
What happened?
joe rogan
Fucked something up my back.
annie lederman
Is it still fucked up?
joe rogan
It's a little weird.
It's okay.
annie lederman
But you don't regret it?
joe rogan
But you know what it is?
No.
I think there's a certain amount of risk that you're going to take if you do stuff that's fun, that's physical.
Physical things, especially like jujitsu or running hills.
Kettlebell workouts or anything crazy like that.
Kickboxing.
It's fucking...
You're putting a lot of stress.
You're exploding.
There's a lot of energy.
A lot of explosive moves.
They test all your tendons and muscles.
But one of the things that I've realized is, like, I can't not get massages.
I have to get massages.
And I didn't get one for a year because of the pandemic.
I basically didn't get...
And then my back was so knotted up.
But I got...
Two serious deep tissue massages in a week, and it just kind of straightened up everything.
annie lederman
How long are they?
How long do you go?
joe rogan
90 minutes.
annie lederman
90 minutes.
joe rogan
They beat the fuck out of you, too.
You don't enjoy a second of it.
annie lederman
Yeah, no, I've never...
I hate massages that feel good.
unidentified
Really?
annie lederman
Yeah, I don't like a soft massage.
Nothing is more upsetting.
I'm always like, give me the elbow.
Nothing in the world.
unidentified
Wow.
annie lederman
And I know about Waco.
I know what happened there.
unidentified
Surfing.
I'm not talking about the surfing.
annie lederman
But yeah, no, I really, yeah, I like a deep motherfucking massage.
But do you know the Dr. Cerno thing?
joe rogan
Oh, that's that guy, the back pain guy?
annie lederman
Yeah, where he's like, it's all repressed childhood rage, which is so funny.
joe rogan
That's nonsense.
But listen, that shit drives me fucking crazy.
Because I'm going to just explain this right now.
Saying that as an open general statement is so fucking stupid because people have bulging discs that push on their nerves and their fucking arms atrophy and their hands stop working.
That shit's real, okay?
It's not childhood memories.
Some people, some people have back pain that's just stress and tension.
Some people.
But a lot of people have fucking serious spine injuries.
The idea that...
Oh, it's all...
Somebody tried to explain it to me.
I went, shut the fuck up.
annie lederman
You should have him on here and have him try to explain it to you.
That's the type of shit I want to see.
joe rogan
No, I'd like to have him on with an actual spinal surgery.
unidentified
Do it.
annie lederman
Do that.
joe rogan
A guy who talks about...
Okay, let me explain.
This is a fucking metal cage we had to put on this guy's back because his spine was crumbling.
And this is another guy who lost all use of his left calf because his nerves were pinched off.
Like, he's right in some ways, and this is how he's right.
He's right that some people carry so much stress and so much tension and that they sort of almost distract themselves with back pain.
But then there's also legitimate significant injuries.
And I've dealt with a lot of those fucking Looney Tunes because I had a bulging disc for like a long time.
And I was going to a chiropractor before I knew that was nonsense.
And this is how he told me that I didn't have a bulging disc.
He pushed down on my head.
annie lederman
No, I hate when they do the thing.
joe rogan
They do nonsense.
He was like pushing down on my head.
He's like, nope, definitely.
If that doesn't hurt, you definitely have a bulging disc.
So I'm like, man, I need to go to a real doctor.
And I finally went to a guy who deals with neck injuries, and he took me in for an MRI. And he's like, look, this is how your disc is bulging out and pressing.
And you have disc degeneration, which means all the cushioning in between my spine, all of it was shrinking.
And my height, I'm shrinking because these little discs are shrinking.
And so it makes your back more irritable because there's no cushioning.
annie lederman
Is that why people shrink anyway?
Old people.
joe rogan
That's why old people shrink.
What's going on is their spine.
The juiciness in between your discs, it all goes away.
Think about...
Here's your spinal cord.
You have all these bones, and in between the bones, you have these discs.
And these things, if you do...
Especially wrestlers.
Wrestlers, their backs are all fucked up.
And a lot of jiu-jitsu guys.
I have...
Four friends with fake discs in their back.
I know so many people that have their backs fused and necks fused.
Does it help?
It does kinda for now, but it's all for now.
It's just letting you know the end is near.
But my point is, anybody that says That it's all in your head is fucking crazy.
That's a crazy thing to say.
Because my friend Travis Luter, who is in here with Kevin Holland, who's his coach, he's an infamous jiu-jitsu guy, very famous.
Travis is world-class, top of the food chain.
He had to get his neck fused.
He's got these bolts and screws in his neck.
annie lederman
Can he turn his neck?
joe rogan
It's kind of stiff.
It's like this.
But he still trains.
He loves training so much that he just It really is so fun.
annie lederman
I didn't really learn that much about the sport.
I don't know any of the fighters really, but I just went to class as the exercise and learning the things.
And just as it is like doing math problems on a body is how it felt.
It was really such a fun fucking workout.
And the risk of getting hurt makes it a little bit more exciting.
joe rogan
It is a little exciting in that regard.
But there's ways to mitigate it.
There's ways to mitigate it.
And that's one of the things that I work really hard on is like strengthening my neck and strengthening my back and strengthening all of the different muscles that protect all that area.
Like I have this reverse hyper machine now from Sorenx that I use.
And then I have like this iron neck thing that I do.
Well, I've got a fucking halo on my head with a bungee cord.
I'm doing this shit.
And that's why my neck is so thick.
annie lederman
Yeah, it really is.
joe rogan
It's all these kind of exercises.
annie lederman
This is a new...
This has happened over the past, what, 10 years?
joe rogan
Yes.
annie lederman
Your neck popped?
joe rogan
Yeah.
Well, that's when I really got into...
Well, it was more than that when I really got into jiu-jitsu.
But I really got into strengthening my neck after the neck injury.
So that was like...
I really fucked it up around 2009-ish or 2008-ish, somewhere around then.
It was bad.
Like, my hands were going numb.
annie lederman
Oof.
joe rogan
It was a real problem.
And I didn't understand why.
And it just...
That's the thing.
You can't go to chiropractors for these things.
You have to go to a real doctor.
Here's the other thing, because real doctors always want to cut you.
They're like, you need surgery!
annie lederman
They always say the worst thing.
joe rogan
Well, not all of them.
I don't want to generalize, but I did.
Too late.
Some doctors are awesome.
I got really lucky that the doctor that I went to, one of them wanted to do surgery.
The other one was like, I think you should try biological treatments like stem cells.
I found out about Regenikine and then I had this Regenikine treatment done and that cured me up.
That fixed my bulging disc.
annie lederman
And how do they do it?
It's an injection or what?
joe rogan
It's your own blood.
They take your own blood and they spin it in a centrifuge.
It's like platelet-rich plasma, but they add a bunch of stuff to it.
I forget how exactly that works.
annie lederman
You're going to catch me spinning a tampon like, is this how it works?
joe rogan
I don't think that's...
And then they inject it directly into the areas because it produces this incredible anti-inflammatory medicine from your own blood.
annie lederman
How fast does it work?
joe rogan
For me, it was two weeks.
I had this bulging disc and it was painful.
My elbow would hurt out of nowhere.
But it was because my disc was pushing against the nerve.
annie lederman
And so the stem cell regrows the juicy part?
unidentified
Well, that wasn't stem cells.
joe rogan
That's not stem cells.
That's Regenikine.
Regenikine, again, it's like a platelet-rich plasma thing.
The stem cell shit that I've gotten, I've gotten that in my knees, I've gotten that in my shoulders, I've gotten that in my back.
I'm just like a science experiment.
annie lederman
That's cool.
joe rogan
But it works.
I mean, I'm 53, and I still work out pretty much exactly the same way.
Like, everything I do, I do pretty much the same way I did when I was 25 or 35 or even 45. And I'm almost 55. I'll be 55 in a couple years, which is crazy.
annie lederman
I thought I was going to catch you on a weird lie that you were 54. I'll be 54 in August.
joe rogan
It's not that far away.
annie lederman
I'm basically 54. When's your birthday?
August what?
11. I'm going to come up with a really good present to get you.
joe rogan
Ooh, I'm excited.
annie lederman
What do you get the king?
I'll come up with something really good.
joe rogan
A hug.
But anyway, the point is, not everybody has access to all this stuff, right?
It costs a lot of money to do all these treatments.
annie lederman
How much can you say?
How much it is?
unidentified
It's a lot.
joe rogan
It's like tens of thousands of dollars for all these different things that I'm doing.
annie lederman
For each, like, injection type thing?
joe rogan
Yeah, it's fucking expensive.
The Regenikine's expensive.
And it's multiple treatments, too.
There's pictures of me getting Regenikine, like, on my back online with these fucking, like, these needles in my back.
And then they squirt the blood into these little holes.
annie lederman
How long does it take?
When do they take the blood to when they put it back in you?
joe rogan
I think it's like a 10-hour process.
annie lederman
And do you stay at the place?
joe rogan
No, you go the next day.
So they'll draw your blood and then they'll do it either the next day or, you know, following days, whenever you have the time.
unidentified
That's so interesting.
annie lederman
I really like, the thing I always think about is I have TMJ. That's like a thing I've had since I was a kid.
And whenever you go to a doctor, they're like, oh, it's stress or whatever.
And you're like, it's fucking stress.
What do you mean it's fucking stress?
joe rogan
What exactly does TMJ mean?
annie lederman
Now, TMJ is actually the name of it.
It's the trigeminal.
Yeah, it's, I don't, I can't pronounce.
I should know what it is.
But Jamie, if you were.
joe rogan
Too much jizz?
annie lederman
Yeah, it's too much jizz.
Yes, yes, yes, yes.
jamie vernon
Temporomandibular.
annie lederman
Temporal.
It's the name of the joint, but it's actually a TMJD, which is the disorder.
joe rogan
Temporomandibular joint.
So TMD. Can I actually make that smaller, please?
Smaller so we can all read the whole thing?
What are you doing?
annie lederman
Jamie, what the fuck?
unidentified
What are you doing?
jamie vernon
I'm zooming out and it's not going.
joe rogan
Oh.
annie lederman
What the fuck?
joe rogan
What the fuck, bro?
TMJ disorder is a type of temporomandibular disorder or TMD can cause pain in your joint.
Let's find out with the treatment.
Let's see.
How do you relieve it?
Let's see the treatment.
annie lederman
I've tried like acupuncture.
joe rogan
Imagine if it was just sucking dick all day.
That's the only way.
annie lederman
I would, you know, they tell you not to.
There was like a list when I went to this one TMJ clinic.
And they were like, don't chew gum, don't do this, don't do that.
And I posted it and added, don't suck dick.
joe rogan
Mayo treatment?
Go to Mayo, you add it?
annie lederman
There are times.
I've had boyfriends that were, it's really like, I'm so sorry, we're not compatible.
joe rogan
Because of that?
annie lederman
My jaw will start clicking.
joe rogan
Oh, okay.
Listen, feel your jaw, observe the range of motion.
Okay, they're not saying anything.
annie lederman
What's the treatment?
Care.
joe rogan
Scroll down.
jamie vernon
There's nothing down there.
joe rogan
Doesn't say anything?
annie lederman
There's really, it's like...
joe rogan
Pain relievers.
Antidepressants.
What?
annie lederman
Because it's like a tension, for me at least.
It was like I grind my teeth at night.
It's bruxism.
So it's a tightened jaw at night.
joe rogan
I do exercise with my jaw.
unidentified
You do?
joe rogan
I have this rubber thing that I bite down on.
I put it in my teeth and I go like this.
annie lederman
I... Yeah, no, I've seen those.
I think because I already have it out of place that that's bad for me.
I think I need to get like, I've been looking into, what do you call them?
What kind of doctor?
Cranial sacral doctor?
joe rogan
Voodoo?
annie lederman
Is that voodoo?
joe rogan
They don't voodoo on you.
annie lederman
Is cranial sacral not a real doctor?
joe rogan
No, it's like these chickens.
I don't know.
annie lederman
I'm like, yeah, I thought you know everything.
joe rogan
I've never heard of that.
annie lederman
But like, I think I need to do something where they expand my palate and my teeth and kind of like can adjust it.
But you know what worked for me and I got to get back into?
I did breath work and that is the only thing that has gotten my...
My tense, like, depression.
I think it is.
Well, I used to get so pissed when the doctors would say it.
It's like, it's your tension.
I'm like, fuck you, it's not.
And I'm like, oh, maybe it is.
jamie vernon
To answer your question, because there's even a question, if it's legitimate, it might not be.
I don't know.
annie lederman
Oh, maybe?
jamie vernon
It says there needs to be more evidence.
annie lederman
Oh, okay.
joe rogan
What?
Plenty of anecdotal evidence that it's CST. What is CST? Craniosacral therapy.
Oh, okay.
Effective treatment, but more research is needed to scientifically determine this.
Evidence that it can release stress and tension.
Some research suggests that it may only be effective in infants, toddlers, and children.
Does CBD work for you?
Does that reduce inflammation?
annie lederman
CBD, I never really got too into, but maybe now with my Kill Cliff.
CBD, 25 milligrams.
joe rogan
Yeah, that's not enough.
I mean, this is great for, you know, just overall.
annie lederman
If you have any CBD advice, let me know.
joe rogan
I do, yeah.
I'm a big believer in CBD. I'm a big believer in anything that you can do that reduces inflammation.
Inflammation is the cause of a lot of ailments in people.
A lot of sicknesses and disease comes out of inflammation.
And a lot of it is the diet that people eat, the bad foods, but inflammation in your jaw like that, I wonder if there's exercises that are good.
Oh, Jamie's got something.
CBD oil can relieve the pain caused by TMD by easing muscle tension and reducing inflammation.
The best benefit of CBD oil is its direct pain relief by applying the oil directly to sore areas.
You can experience pain relief in just minutes.
Some patients also choose to vaporize the oil during inhalation.
Yeah, there you go.
See exercises.
annie lederman
I hate taping.
joe rogan
What is that fucking thing that I use?
That Jawsercise?
Yeah, it's called Jawsercise.
annie lederman
I've seen those.
Those are cool.
joe rogan
I have big ass jaw muscles now.
These things are here.
annie lederman
Oh my god, imagine I come back looking more like Brett Butler each day.
joe rogan
But these muscles have 100% gotten bigger.
annie lederman
But I have, like, one is stronger than the other.
Sometimes I get massage...
Have you ever gotten anyone to give you a jaw massage, like, on the inside?
That feels fucking wild.
joe rogan
It's wild.
annie lederman
Yeah, it's really weird.
They put those little finger cots on.
joe rogan
I know, they're in your mouth.
annie lederman
Very weird.
I'm like, while you're in there...
joe rogan
Stretch your mouth down.
annie lederman
While you're in there, I'd like to...
Can you help me with my gag reflex?
Help me out, Doc.
I'm like, hey, that's not your finger.
joe rogan
Yeah, I was reading about this guy that got molested by his massage therapist and he didn't realize that he was getting molested by a male massage therapist.
He thought it was normal for the guy to put his fingers in his asshole.
annie lederman
Yes, my friend just had that happen.
joe rogan
Yeah, like, what?
He's like, listen, you gotta trust me.
I'm just gonna put my fingers in your ass.
annie lederman
It's fucking crazy.
joe rogan
And massage your prostate and everything.
And he was like, what?
And so this guy just was letting this guy basically just molest him.
annie lederman
Yeah, probably felt kinda good.
joe rogan
It probably did feel good.
annie lederman
He was like, oh, I do feel a release.
joe rogan
Imagine if he got hard and then he just...
annie lederman
He probably jizzed.
joe rogan
Maybe.
annie lederman
He's like, my mouth will actually help with the...
joe rogan
Ah, that's it.
annie lederman
No, but I definitely...
joe rogan
Your mouth will help me.
We'll help each other.
annie lederman
Why are you Mark Normand?
joe rogan
Oh, I'm not.
jamie vernon
I'm gay.
annie lederman
I sucked his dick.
unidentified
Hey, and that's what I did.
joe rogan
I had to do it.
annie lederman
But yeah, no, I've gotten, I, whenever I've gone to just these like whatever massage places, you know, that cost like 20 bucks.
Exactly.
I mean, when they go for your butt cheeks first and your asshole is getting like cold air going into it, you're like, Oh no, I'm getting one of these fucking massages.
unidentified
You're looking at my asshole.
annie lederman
Why?
My asshole should not have cold air coming into it.
Clean, cold air.
joe rogan
And then you smell their breath on your asshole.
annie lederman
Oh my god, it's unbelievable.
They're blowing.
Oh no, they're warming it up.
But there was one I got where this guy left the room.
And you know how they're supposed to just expose one body part at a time?
There was just no...
I go, dude, you gotta put the fucking blanket on me.
And it's such a weird thing.
It's such a like...
I don't know if it's like PTSD or whatever, but it's like...
I just get quiet and don't say anything.
I tip the guy.
I'm like, what the fuck am I doing?
joe rogan
Why don't you have girls do it?
annie lederman
Well, that's what I've learned.
But I always wanted to get the guys because they would do it harder than the girls.
joe rogan
Oh, you can just get a fit gal.
annie lederman
I've got to get a fit gal.
I've got to be like, have you done Jawsercise?
Have you used the thing?
joe rogan
I'm going to grab your clit with my teeth, but trust me.
annie lederman
Like, there it is.
It's hanging.
joe rogan
I'm going to put my whole hand up your ass, and I'm going to bring you Nirvana.
Yeah.
annie lederman
Jessie Mae did like she repeated it someone else had already done it but she was doing like a fake kettlebell workout and she was like doing a squat with the kettlebell and then she had like her she edited so that was like her hands were in her pants like it was like labia or something picking up the kettlebell.
Do you know what I'm talking about?
joe rogan
Yeah.
annie lederman
It was so gross and so funny.
joe rogan
Women do do that you know.
annie lederman
In real life?
joe rogan
Yeah, they have this world record pussy clamp lady from Russia.
She carries plates with her pussy.
Yeah, so she's got like a ball on a string.
She shoves that ball into her snatch and then clamps down with her pussy muscles and the string hangs down and she clips weights to it.
And she's there squatting.
unidentified
She has it in her pussy and she's letting all the men know I'm here to make you comb forever.
annie lederman
Break your dick off.
unidentified
You'll never stop combing with me.
Angelica has the pussy.
jamie vernon
I just went to her page.
Did you see this thing she posted?
joe rogan
Yes, that guy.
annie lederman
So horrific.
joe rogan
I've seen that in the past.
annie lederman
And by the way, you can see that Russian lady opening for me at Dead Crow.
joe rogan
This guy had bolts stuffed into his ass cheeks and then bungee jumped from them.
annie lederman
I like those pants.
joe rogan
But I mean, what kind of a person?
annie lederman
Just what's the point of this?
joe rogan
What happened to his life?
They're hanging from the ass meat.
unidentified
Oh!
annie lederman
Look at this.
joe rogan
I mean, how does it not rip off first of all?
I mean, he's hanging from the meat of his ass cheeks.
unidentified
And he's like, I did it!
joe rogan
Look at that.
Look how it's, like, connected to his ass cheeks.
annie lederman
When I used to live in Santa Fe, there was this whole kind of, like, circus-y type crowd there.
And there was, like, a guy who had, like, traveled in the circus.
I wish I could remember his name.
But he hung a cinder block from his...
I went to this party up in the, like, in the mountains, like, these rich people in Santa Fe.
I was probably 20, 19 or 20. He hung a cinder block from...
I'll tell you because I want to tell you the whole story.
So the whole party was, do you remember the show Real Sex on HBO? Yeah.
So they had done an episode where they came, there were these like oil, these like lesbian oil wrestlers.
I think they were lesbians.
I think they were.
Oil wrestlers that would, that they came and did a piece on.
So then it was the premiere of that and I somehow like had a fake ID and met all these people and they invited me up to this house.
How old were you?
Like 20, maybe 1920. And then I had some fun in Santa Fe.
God damn, I love that town.
But So I went up to this party that they were having, which was the premiere of their episode of Real Sex.
And I remember I was like topless on a...
They had a bed of nails.
Like, does anyone want to do it?
And me and my gay friend were like, sure!
And we were just up there having fun.
And so I laid on this bed of nails.
And then this guy came up and he hung a cinder block off his dick.
He had a, I think, a piercing.
And then they did...
They pierced people's backs and they were like suspending them.
joe rogan
Oh, Jesus.
annie lederman
Yeah, it was really weird.
joe rogan
That's right out of the...
They used to do that in...
What Native American tribe was it?
There's a movie, A Man Called Horse, with...
God, I forget the old dude's name.
unidentified
Famous Scottish guy.
joe rogan
Sean Connery?
No, Richard Harris.
It's an amazing movie.
They would go, I believe it was the Lakotas, they would put a cut in their chest plates and they would hang them.
annie lederman
Is this a white man playing this?
Did they whitewash this character?
joe rogan
No, it was supposed to be a white man in the movie.
It was Richard Harris, A Man Called Horse.
So it was basically a movie.
I forget what the ritual's called.
It's not the ghost dance.
annie lederman
Are they doing that as a punishment, Tim?
joe rogan
No, no, no.
It's a rite of passage.
Men would do it and they would proudly show their scars, like really fucked up scars.
The really tough guys wanted it to rip through their muscle tissue so you'd see these huge scars on their chest.
annie lederman
Sounds like a boob job to me.
joe rogan
I'm really pretty sure it was a Lakota thing.
Yeah, but this is the movie.
But suspension, just go, just Google Native American suspension ritual.
annie lederman
See, also dances with wolves.
joe rogan
American Western to portray the Sioux as a protagonist.
Oh, okay.
So that was the Sioux, I guess.
But the Sioux or the Lakota, I'm sorry, what am I talking about?
Fucking moron.
That's what it means.
Sioux means Lakota, what, savored hearted?
I try to say it as, I try to mean it when I say it.
annie lederman
Wait, what is this?
joe rogan
That's the girl that holds weight for the pussy.
annie lederman
Look at that booty, too.
She's got really strong ass muscles because of it.
joe rogan
Well, she likes to have a tight booty grip on the cock as well.
Look at her.
annie lederman
Aw, cutie.
She does kind of look like the girl that opened for me.
joe rogan
I don't like that.
That's not even impressive.
Either go hard or go home, okay?
If you see, like, a guy who's a powerlifting champion, but he's got a little pink dumbbell in his hand, I'm not impressed.
But here she is.
jamie vernon
31 pounds.
annie lederman
You should get her with one of those, like, um...
unidentified
This is my record.
31 pounds of pussy power.
annie lederman
One of your, um, kettlebells you should get her in.
joe rogan
Yeah, look at her.
That's amazing that she can do that, though.
Look at those weights.
She's getting it right up in the old cooter.
Oh, pop.
jamie vernon
There it is.
joe rogan
Smell it.
annie lederman
I know.
What does it smell like?
Like, ma'am, I think you might have bacterial vaginosis.
Ma'am, you should get that checked out.
Did you have a fish fillet?
What is this?
joe rogan
Well, not only that, it's probably like an unnatural amount of sweat and strain.
annie lederman
Wait a second.
When you did the election thing, you were eating a fillet of fish.
Is that your move?
That's your McDonald's choice?
joe rogan
For McDonald's, that's my move.
annie lederman
It's my favorite too.
It's a fucking fish stick.
joe rogan
Thank you.
It's really good.
Tastes good.
I like it.
It's terrible for you.
annie lederman
I know.
joe rogan
It's probably barely fish.
It's probably something that knows fish.
annie lederman
I know.
joe rogan
It's like trimmings and shit all mushed out into that weird square.
annie lederman
It tastes so good though.
But was that like, that was just, did Tim bring, how did that happen?
joe rogan
I think we had someone go out and get food.
annie lederman
And you're just like, fuck it, let's do McDonald's.
joe rogan
Well, I think we were drunk.
And so Tim wasn't, Tim's sober.
unidentified
Is he?
joe rogan
Yeah, yeah, yeah.
He's very sober.
annie lederman
Really?
joe rogan
He used to go hard in the paint.
annie lederman
Oh, yeah.
joe rogan
Yeah, he was...
annie lederman
I never heard hard in the paint, that line, but I understand.
joe rogan
You never heard hard in the paint?
annie lederman
Yeah, I never did.
joe rogan
It's a very common term.
But Tim used to go hard.
He used to party way too hard.
A lot of coke.
annie lederman
Yeah.
joe rogan
And then he'd go, okay, can't do this anymore.
annie lederman
Yeah.
joe rogan
Yeah, but we indulged in some terrible food.
unidentified
Yeah.
joe rogan
And that's my move.
When I would come home from the store, if I was feeling really like, fuck it, I would go to McDonald's and get filet of fishes.
unidentified
Yeah.
annie lederman
I watched that episode with Whitney in her gym.
We were working out in her gym, watching you guys.
And she was like, who won?
I still don't understand.
She kept texting.
She's like, what happened?
Whitney's like doing content.
She's like, Joe!
joe rogan
Who won?
No one knew who won.
That was the thing.
Do you know they're still contesting the election?
annie lederman
It's so crazy.
joe rogan
I was watching something about it today.
They're still contesting the election.
Apparently there's some recount going on right now in Arizona.
Is that real?
Like in some audit of the...
No, I'm telling you.
I think it's real.
Here we are in fucking...
What is it?
June?
annie lederman
I have no clue.
joe rogan
It's June.
annie lederman
I'm a comedian.
I don't know what month it is.
joe rogan
June.
Yeah.
June 14th.
annie lederman
Oh, it's my niece's birthday!
Flag day.
Happy birthday, Reese.
She's not watching.
unidentified
She's a child.
joe rogan
One of the girls?
annie lederman
Nine, yeah.
Nine years old.
joe rogan
One of the girls that was in that video?
annie lederman
Yep, my baby.
joe rogan
Oh, that's cute.
annie lederman
I love her.
I love them so much.
I'm so...
My nephews are so cute.
I'm just so...
Lucky.
I'm just so grateful.
I love them.
unidentified
That's awesome.
joe rogan
That's a great attitude.
Did you learn that from your friend Jim?
annie lederman
No, I knew that ahead of time.
joe rogan
Okay.
annie lederman
But I do, I'm very easily able to get into a peaceful state if I imagine my nieces and nephews hugging me.
joe rogan
You spent a lot of time with Whitney over the pandemic.
annie lederman
Oh my God, it was so fun.
joe rogan
You were basically living in her place for a while, right?
annie lederman
I wish.
Oh my God, I was living in a construction zone coming to her house.
joe rogan
You were just going over there?
Oh, I thought you were living there.
annie lederman
No, but we were there a lot.
It was so fun.
God.
And then I got a puppy, and she loved my dog.
We just had such a fun time.
joe rogan
You guys did a few podcasts together, but you never did a group podcast together.
That is a missed opportunity.
annie lederman
I know.
joe rogan
You two together would be a fucking amazing podcast.
annie lederman
I would love to do it.
I mean, she's just, listen, she works so hard on her, on Good For You, and I think it's such a good podcast.
joe rogan
It's amazing.
annie lederman
And I will re-approach her about doing a podcast, but I do think she might be too busy for it.
But I would love to do one with her.
joe rogan
I think you two together have a special chemistry.
You're both so ridiculous and the two of you together would be so funny.
annie lederman
You know what it is?
We're not worried about being like humiliated.
I think we will just like do whatever.
That's part of it.
joe rogan
Yeah, for sure.
But it's just the chemistry.
It's like you two as friends.
It's a fun friendship.
Like having you two on the podcast together was hilarious.
annie lederman
It was so fun.
Well that was kind of the beginning of us getting really close.
joe rogan
Really?
annie lederman
Yeah.
unidentified
No shit.
annie lederman
Like, we were friends, and I would call her about stuff, and she would call me, but it was, it wasn't, we got really tight after that.
That's crazy.
Yeah, and now we have our chat thread, which we talk every day.
joe rogan
Yeah.
annie lederman
All three of us.
joe rogan
That's a great chat thread.
annie lederman
It's so fun.
Yeah, release it on my Patreon.
Just kidding.
unidentified
Can you imagine?
Whoa, Jesus.
annie lederman
Can you imagine?
unidentified
I didn't mean it.
annie lederman
There's some government official reading those things.
We should move it over to Signal.
joe rogan
There definitely is.
Yeah, we definitely should move it to Signal.
For some of the more risque links.
annie lederman
When I found you on Signal and the first thing I read, I was like, where can I buy DMT? That's crazy that you guys became close after that podcast.
We were friends, but she's like my soul sister.
I just really fucking love her.
joe rogan
She's a very unusual person.
I appreciate her.
annie lederman
Me too.
joe rogan
I really, really do.
But I just think the two of you guys together, it's a fucking wicked combination.
And you definitely should do something together.
annie lederman
Yeah.
joe rogan
If she has the time, I mean, I don't want to be the guy that tells, oh, you got to do this, but I just think, like, you guys together, like, when I'm with Duncan, all right, Duncan is my Whitney in that regard.
Like, when he was here the other day, I was like, dude, you and I together are so much better than I am by myself.
It's like, me and him together, it's a magic thing.
I go, let's do one a week.
He's like, I can't!
I can't live in Asheville, man!
But he's coming out here, and he's going to come out here for a month.
unidentified
Wow.
joe rogan
What month is that?
I can't tell you.
You might tell people.
annie lederman
Well, whenever you tell me, I'll come out for that month, too.
joe rogan
He wants to come out here and look around.
I go, dude, move here.
Sell your fucking house.
It's too cold in Asheville.
annie lederman
Yeah, get out of there.
Asheville is so beautiful, though.
joe rogan
It's gorgeous.
annie lederman
God, is that a beautiful place.
joe rogan
But I'm telling him, you should live here, too.
annie lederman
Yeah.
joe rogan
Just live here most of the time.
You don't want to be there in the wintertime.
annie lederman
Right.
But that's how I feel about this place, too, when you were, like, moving out.
I'm like, I just plan on being here a long time.
Like, Tony was like, you're not gonna do Kill Tony.
I'm like, Tony, I'm gonna be out here all the time.
Like, I'll be back.
joe rogan
You'll be back.
annie lederman
Yeah, I love it.
joe rogan
Well, I'll have news, and I can give you some news after the podcast about the opening of the club, because I have some solid fucking options now.
And things are coming together, finally.
It's a long story, and one day I'll tell the whole thing, but the nightmare of trying to get a building and put together a club has been crazy, but a lot of monkey wrench stuff.
It's like some parts I can't tell because I'm a nice person, and I don't want to throw anybody under the bus because it'll be super obvious who I'm talking about, but I'll tell you.
annie lederman
Yeah.
joe rogan
But once it's up and running, I'm going to do my level best to make it the most accommodating and comfortable place for comedians.
annie lederman
I will tell you, I know you had told me some stuff, some of your plans, and after Tony's incident, everyone's now bagging phones.
What a heavenly situation it is to do a show with people's phones bagged.
I mean, it really does feel so fun.
joe rogan
People are so much more attentive.
annie lederman
Yeah, it's just, it's so, it's great.
And I, you know...
joe rogan
I saw on Dig the other day some guy was getting roasted because he was using his phone while his wedding vows were being read.
He's literally being married.
The priest is saying his stuff and he checks his phone.
annie lederman
That's me and Whitney.
joe rogan
And people are like, bro.
annie lederman
That's me and Whitney at our wedding.
joe rogan
But people are fucking addicts.
I'm...
This close, this close to getting a fucking flip phone.
annie lederman
Yeah.
joe rogan
I think I'm going to take this and just leave it somewhere all day and just have a flip phone where you have to call me.
And if you text me, I'm going to call you back.
annie lederman
Right.
joe rogan
I'm not, you know, I'll read your text, but I'm not, I just...
I feel like we're too fucking vulnerable.
It's too easy to get sucked into these things.
If I'm sitting here and I'm bored for five seconds, I go, hmm, let's check YouTube.
And I'm watching some stupid fucking video that I don't really care about.
annie lederman
And then you're sending it to me and Whitney and making us fucking watch it.
unidentified
Yes.
joe rogan
Do you see that video that I sent you with a girl?
annie lederman
I didn't watch it yet.
joe rogan
Okay, wait.
Some of those are great.
Some of those are great.
But also what's great is just living.
One time when I was in Hawaii, I broke my phone.
It was weird.
It was a crazy break.
I dropped it and just started randomly calling people.
And I should have made a video of it because it was kind of crazy.
I'd be like, look.
And I would hold it up.
I held it up to my wife.
I'd go, watch this.
And then just, beep, it just starts dialing.
And I'd hang up.
And then it just, beep, starts dialing to someone else.
annie lederman
That's so sad.
People were so excited.
They're like, Joe Rogan's calling me?
unidentified
Wow.
joe rogan
It was people that I knew, but I don't think they were that pumped.
But it was just randomly going through my contacts and dialing people.
And then I would swipe out of it, and it was like, nope, fuck you, we're calling people.
It was just calling people.
It was wild.
And so then it eventually just stopped working altogether, and I just shut it off.
But I couldn't get it to stop calling people.
So even when I was calling people, it was trying to hang up.
It was going nutty, so I got a new phone.
But I ordered it online, and then I had to pay for it to get shipped, but I was in Lanai.
Or Lanahi, if you want to say it the way they do.
Thank you.
I don't want to culturally appropriate the language.
So it took three days to get it to me.
And during that time, I was in bliss.
annie lederman
Yeah.
joe rogan
There was no phone.
I was just wandering around, just existing.
And I was like, this is better.
This is a better way to live.
Like this whole checking Twitter all day and checking Instagram and checking YouTube and what's going on in the news.
I would check the news app.
Oh, and then that happened.
annie lederman
Oh my god, the news app is such a fucking nightmare.
joe rogan
It's such a nightmare because it sucks you in.
And if you curate it, right?
Like, I want all news about, you know, I'm into technology, so it's all technology news or car news or sports, like fighting, and it's like, that's all it's giving me, and it's just like, uh, uh, uh.
You're just feeding your fucking head with nonsense.
annie lederman
Yeah, because it knows what you want and knows what's going to distract you and knows what's going to get you sucked in.
joe rogan
Just feeding your mind with nonsense.
I know.
annie lederman
But it also is fun.
I'm always like, I'm going to figure out one day a schedule where it's like I just post my stuff and then I put it away.
joe rogan
I think my move is to have that as like an extra phone and have a flip phone as like a real phone.
annie lederman
How many phones do you have?
joe rogan
I'll tell you off the air.
annie lederman
I have quite a few numbers.
joe rogan
Like, I have email addresses and a lot of other shit.
annie lederman
Well, Whitney, texting your...
Whitney?
Like, okay, by the way.
So, first of all, everyone's always like, stop name-dropping Whitney and John.
I'm like, I talk to these people every day.
Sorry, they're not your friends.
But so, Whitney...
Joe changed his phone number.
Am I allowed to say that?
Okay, changed his phone number.
And he goes, delete the old number.
Just use this number.
Whitney, that fucking bitch, she texted your old number every day for like 12 weeks.
joe rogan
I blame the ketamine.
unidentified
That was her ketamine phase.
annie lederman
And then she goes, oh my god, we have to stop.
I go, bitch, I will have your back on a lot of things, but I have not texted that number once.
joe rogan
She, for whatever reason, didn't delete it.
And I gave her the number.
I'm like, this is the number.
Go to your phone.
Delete that one.
Don't use that one anymore because I don't carry it anymore.
If that thing's in a drawer, I pull it out once a week to see if there's anything really important.
annie lederman
And it's just always Whitney.
joe rogan
It was Whitney like 30 times.
I was like, Jesus, fucking ketamine.
Because I know ketamine is like, I think it's a disassociative.
annie lederman
It is a disassociative.
joe rogan
Yeah, which is like, she's disassociating my number and just fucking just making random phone calls.
She was on that shit a lot.
annie lederman
Yeah.
joe rogan
She offered it to me.
She's like, you want to try it?
annie lederman
She offered it.
I was on it for a little while too.
Then I got an ulcer.
I was like, I think I'm good.
Jesus Christ.
I don't need this.
I don't need to disassociate anymore.
joe rogan
There's a place that's opening up out here that does ketamine IV drips.
annie lederman
No, I think that's—I'm not knocking that.
I think that's something that could really help people.
joe rogan
It can really help people.
annie lederman
But you need it regulated.
joe rogan
But apparently, it's mind-blowing.
Apparently, like, Neil Brennan did it.
annie lederman
Yeah.
joe rogan
He said—because I go, what is it—I go, you're going to—because he was doing a lot of other things, right?
Because Neil's had some issues with depression.
He's pretty open about it.
And he was doing a bunch of different stuff.
And then he said to me, he goes, I'm going to do ketamine therapy.
I go, that's legal?
annie lederman
You're going to Whitney's house?
joe rogan
This was years ago.
I go, is this legal?
He goes, yeah, apparently.
I go, well, how much do they dose you up with?
He goes, well, I can't imagine it's a lot.
Oh, wrong.
They strap him to a chair like he's a mental patient and shove a fucking needle in his arm, and they gave him an IV drip of ketamine, and apparently it was like a full-blown psychedelic dose, and he goes, dudes, I am in this doctor's office, and I am fucking tripping balls.
I go, like, real tripping?
He goes, like, gone.
I couldn't believe how strong it was.
It's an insane dose they give you.
But they're monitoring you and watching you and making sure you're okay.
annie lederman
And then they talk it through with you and everything.
joe rogan
I guess, yeah.
I mean, but I don't know what ketamine is like.
Did you have a blowout experience?
annie lederman
I never...
No, I didn't go into a K-hole.
Maybe when I was in high school when I was doing it.
I mean, I used to do it at parties.
It was like a rave drug.
joe rogan
But what does it do to you?
What does it make it feel like?
annie lederman
I feel like a cloud.
Like, the night we did the rooftop thing, Whitney gave me some of her...
I was...
I was like, Whitney.
She was like, just do two squirts in each nostril.
joe rogan
Two squirts when you're talking to Jay Leno?
annie lederman
I was fucking high as shit.
I was trying to get off that fucking roof.
I was like, I'm a cloud.
I'm a cloud.
I'm a cloud.
I just was like, everything was just soft.
I was like, oh my god.
I mean, it felt great.
joe rogan
Remember when Jay Leno's fixing Whitney's zipper?
annie lederman
There is a picture.
joe rogan
I got a video.
annie lederman
There is a picture.
Whitney's crotch zipper broke.
joe rogan
She's like, Jay, can you fix this?
And Jay's like, okay.
annie lederman
His face is just in her crotch.
That is so funny.
joe rogan
But in all fairness, it was not his idea.
annie lederman
It was not.
It was Ketamine Whitney.
She first had her pink hair.
This was the beginning.
joe rogan
It was the beginning or the end.
It was when she was first starting the trip.
annie lederman
Yeah, God, she really is.
joe rogan
But she was laughing so hard.
annie lederman
I know.
joe rogan
Now I know she's on ketamine.
annie lederman
I mean, honestly.
I know, I thought I was killing.
I was like, I just thought I was funny.
unidentified
You were funny.
joe rogan
It was funny.
That was a fun time.
Anytime comics can get together like that and just talk about what we do.
Because it's a weird thing to do.
And it's like, not everybody approaches it the same way.
And it helps to have, like, one of the best things about the store was it helped to have all those other comics around that were our peers that we could hang with.
You know, like that back bar.
annie lederman
I know.
The back bar's not open yet.
It's not open yet.
joe rogan
What?
Why isn't it open?
annie lederman
It just isn't open yet.
Is it COVID? Yeah, they still...
I don't know what they're doing.
joe rogan
How does that make any fucking sense?
annie lederman
I don't pay attention to any of those rules.
joe rogan
How does that make any fucking sense?
annie lederman
Well, it just kind of feels like if people want to get vaccinated, they got vaccinated, and now let's just move forward.
It's people's choice.
joe rogan
The rates of people getting it now are so low.
The rates of hospitalizations are so low.
You're worse off if you have the flu now.
It's like there's so few people that are getting it now.
annie lederman
I just tapped out.
joe rogan
And they understand how to treat it.
And then there's treatments like ivermectin and if you understand vitamins.
I hope more people use a preventative approach from here on out and take care of their body.
God damn it.
A big part of what happened with this, so many people I know that are really healthy got it and it was nothing.
Because your immune system is fucking strong.
That's not outside.
For some people it is.
Some people obviously have pre-existing conditions and medical issues.
I'm not talking about them.
I feel for them.
I get it.
But the rest of the people that are just normal, healthy folks, this is your chance.
This is your wake-up call.
Get your fucking body together.
Take care of it.
Stop pumping shitty food into it.
annie lederman
Laura bites this shit, alright?
joe rogan
Look at what she did.
She's a monster.
annie lederman
Did we just do Freaky Friday, bitch?
I gained weight, you lost it?
What the hell is this?
joe rogan
She's a monster.
She's so fucking disciplined.
annie lederman
She's like ripped now.
You know what?
She did always have it in her because she is so structured with her comedy and she works so hard.
I remember going, I was laughing with her about this because I was helping her go shopping for her David Spade outfit two years ago or whatever, and it was before she lost the weight.
And I was like, oh, you should wear this outfit.
And she goes, I can't show my arms.
She goes, Annie, my arms have never looked like that, like yours.
And I went, yeah, but mine have looked like yours.
And now they do.
I was like, you know, I work out.
This is when I was doing yoga and jujitsu every fucking day.
So I was like, I was working.
joe rogan
Yeah.
Well, you can get back to that.
annie lederman
Yeah.
I started doing yoga again.
I'm doing hot yoga again.
joe rogan
Yeah?
Hot yoga's awesome.
They allow that?
Do you have to do it with a mask on?
annie lederman
You have to do it with a mask on, but it actually doesn't...
It's not bad.
It actually helps you breathe.
It's not bad.
joe rogan
Do you smell farts with that mask on?
annie lederman
No farts, but you do smell your own nasty-ass breath.
It's very early that I took my class.
unidentified
I know, right?
joe rogan
You get it in the mask, and it just bounces back at you?
annie lederman
That's why you gotta have a fresh mask each time.
You don't wanna be smelling that shit.
joe rogan
Do you use the paper ones?
Those are the best.
annie lederman
Yeah.
Well, I was using...
Yeah, I don't...
joe rogan
You know what I like about them?
You know it's bullshit.
It's like people with bandanas on.
They're just playing the game.
annie lederman
Oh, the bandanas are really like...
joe rogan
They're hilarious.
You're just playing a game.
I'm a bandit.
And then I like how people keep them around their necks so they look stylish.
unidentified
Yeah.
joe rogan
And then they pull it up and they have to.
annie lederman
Well, it's like all the bike messengers were always wearing them.
joe rogan
Some people get mad at you, though.
You can't wear the bandana.
It's not good enough.
Like, airplanes wouldn't let you have the bandana.
annie lederman
Are people still mad, though?
I don't know.
joe rogan
Some people are.
Some people are just looking for an excuse to be mad.
They're excited about it.
You know?
annie lederman
I'm excited that this is coming to an end.
We're getting back.
Being on the road is so fun.
How amazing are the shows?
joe rogan
It's been great.
annie lederman
It's so amazing.
joe rogan
But I feel like I'm just getting my stage legs under me over the last few weeks.
And then I did a show Friday night in Arizona and it felt normal.
But it still feels like I've got to work.
It's like not having those 8-10 months of steady work.
It's like you've got to get back in shape again.
You've got to get your stage legs back.
annie lederman
It's fun though.
I feel like a new, fresh start.
It feels great.
joe rogan
I do too.
But a lot of my material is not new.
So a lot of my material is from the last year and a half or so before the pandemic.
annie lederman
Do you feel weird saying it?
Is it hard to resonate with it now?
joe rogan
No, it just needs to be, I wrote about it last night, I need to overhaul some stuff, get rid of some stuff.
Some stuff is just like having the wrong impact.
It's like, I'm doing this bit about offensive words, and I'm like, I feel like I need to restructure it.
But there's a lot of things like that.
So many of the bits that turned out to be some of my best bits, there was a point where I was ready to give up on them.
I was like, this is not coming across the right way, or people are misinterpreting it, or I'm not doing a good job of expressing it.
And then you just got to kind of step away.
And then I like to take it and put it down on index cards and just look at it and just stare at it and think about it.
Like, what am I doing What am I trying to say?
Maybe I need to rewrite the whole thing from scratch like it never existed.
Like this version of the bit doesn't exist.
I know I already have that.
That's already written.
Let me rewrite it.
Rewrite the whole thing.
Maybe there's a better way to do it.
Because sometimes it's like you're losing a certain percentage of the crowd with the way you're saying something that you don't have to lose.
And you can get them all or you can get a lot more of them if you just restructure things.
annie lederman
It also, for me, I know the discipline of knowing where each word is is good, but I also feel like I get very robotic when I do that.
So if I just go, this is the joke, this is the premise, and then I just redo it, then I'm saying it in a new way.
I'm fresher.
The audience is kind of hearing a new thing.
joe rogan
Even though when I restructure things, I still give myself the ability to free ball on stage because you have a feeling when there's too many words to something and you don't know until you're up there.
Or maybe a feeling that maybe you need more words.
Or maybe you need to look at it from other people.
Stanhope said something once that really resonated.
It was always a great idea.
He said, I look at my bits like I'm a prosecuting attorney.
Like I'm going after those bits for being fucked up.
Or I'm going after those bits for being lazy or something like that.
I was like, oh.
annie lederman
That's awesome.
joe rogan
That's a great perspective.
unidentified
Yeah.
annie lederman
Well, it's like how science is trying to prove themselves wrong.
joe rogan
Yes.
The good ones.
annie lederman
Yeah.
I love Doug Stanhope.
You guys talked about me on this podcast and it was very, very nice.
It was so sweet.
I haven't met him yet, but...
joe rogan
Really?
annie lederman
Yeah, I met all his friends.
joe rogan
He's the nicest.
annie lederman
Yeah, I want to go to Bisbee.
Would you go with me?
joe rogan
No.
annie lederman
Not into Bisbee?
unidentified
No.
joe rogan
That place is ridiculous.
annie lederman
Let's bring him here.
joe rogan
Yeah, bring him here.
annie lederman
Do a show.
joe rogan
I'll fly him out.
annie lederman
It'll be so fun.
joe rogan
Yeah.
annie lederman
When do we get to fly private, Joe?
joe rogan
When do you want to?
annie lederman
I don't know.
Where can we go?
What can we do?
joe rogan
Oh, we'll figure something.
Want to work with me on the road?
annie lederman
Yeah.
joe rogan
Want to do a gig?
annie lederman
I would love to.
joe rogan
Okay, we'll do some gigs.
annie lederman
Can we go to Hawaii or Vegas?
joe rogan
Well, I'm booked in Vegas already.
I'm doing MGM with Chappelle and Segura.
annie lederman
Wow.
Oh, all three of you?
joe rogan
Yeah, nobody knows the Segura until now.
I spill the beans, whoopsies.
annie lederman
There you go.
joe rogan
Yeah, July 8th and 9th.
annie lederman
Oh, cool.
joe rogan
We're doing the MGM. That's cool.
And Donnell's going to be there, too, and I don't know who else.
annie lederman
I fucking love Donnell.
joe rogan
I love Donnell, too.
annie lederman
I told you he got me my start in comp, pretty much.
Really?
He put me up when I was fresh.
I had just done two open mics.
I just quit drinking.
My friend went to school with Esther Koo that I was living with, and Esther Koo was like...
joe rogan
I forgot about Esther.
annie lederman
You want to be a comedian?
She goes, I'm going to Ashley Larry's party.
So I went to a Super Bowl party at his house, talking to one of his friends.
One of his friends was like, oh, you're funny.
Are you a comedian?
I was like, well, I just started or whatever.
And he goes, Donnell, put her on your new show.
And he goes, are you ready this Monday?
And I go, I'm not really ready.
And he humiliated me in front of everyone.
He was like, go hard or go home, bitch.
And I was so embarrassed.
And then I went.
And then he started putting me up every Monday.
I went on the road with him.
I love him.
He's the best.
I saw him when I was here last time.
He was at the Vulcan.
And I waited until after a set, and I was like, hey.
And he was like, bitch, why did you not come on stage when I was on stage?
I didn't even think about it.
But he was like, you should have come up.
joe rogan
He and I and Dave and all the people that opened when we did the stub shows, that was a real bonding moment because that was the height of the pandemic.
Everybody was freaked out and we were testing hundreds and hundreds of people for every show.
Every show we did, we tested the entire crowd and we did it outside and they all had masks on.
But it was at the point in time where people were really freaked out and we put it together and we had a good time and a bunch of them.
Wind up getting COVID. But I didn't.
annie lederman
I know.
I'm so happy I didn't get COVID. Yeah, you made it through.
I'm really happy about that.
I'm happy no one in my family got it.
joe rogan
But you're a healthy person.
You take care of yourself, you know?
annie lederman
Yeah, but who knows?
I mean, if stress gives it to you, then I could have gotten it.
joe rogan
Yeah, if you don't have any sleep, you know, and you're not taking care of yourself.
annie lederman
I mean, I got a fucking ulcer.
joe rogan
But I don't think that...
I think that one of the things they think about ulcers, I think they think it might have to do with gut bacteria.
annie lederman
Well, I think I was having, like, I was definitely having acid reflux.
I was having GERD, which is so...
GERD? GERD? Is there a dirtier name for anything?
GERD. Did you just fart?
joe rogan
GERD? No.
annie lederman
Did you hear a fart?
jamie vernon
That was probably me, like, laughing a little bit.
annie lederman
Jamie farted and was trying to pretend he was laughing.
joe rogan
I don't smell it.
annie lederman
Maybe it's GERD. It was some GERD, but it's like you have acid reflux when you're sleeping and it wakes you up.
You choke on your own bile.
It's horrific.
joe rogan
That's what GERD is?
annie lederman
Yes!
joe rogan
Okay.
Gastroesophagal...
Medieval reflux disease or GERD is a digestive disorder that affects the ring of muscle between your esophagus and your stomach.
This ring is called the lower esophageal sphincter.
Oh, you got a sphincter in your mouth.
annie lederman
Yeah, that mouth sphincter.
I've had a sphincter in my mouth.
joe rogan
Find out, are ulcers caused by gut bacteria?
annie lederman
I definitely was eating bad.
This was like in the height of the pandemic.
I was like stress eating.
Yeah.
joe rogan
Ulcer gut bacteria theory.
Here it is.
It's a type of bacteria that enters, after many years they can cause sores called ulcers in the lining of your stomach.
So it's a type of bacteria that causes ulcers, but it doesn't mean that all ulcers are caused by bacteria.
annie lederman
I got tested for the H. pylori and I didn't have the H. pylori.
But I was shitting black.
I was shitting fucking black.
joe rogan
Look at this.
So it is bacterial species.
Click on that.
Okay.
Helicobacter pylori, commonly called H. pylori, is a type of bacteria that infects the stomach and small bowel.
It was discovered in 82 by Australian researchers who also found that it causes peptic ulcer disease.
Peptic ulcers are open source in the lining of the stomach or the upper part of the small intestine.
That's what I am.
Do you take kombucha or probiotics or anything along those lines?
annie lederman
Yes.
joe rogan
Do you?
annie lederman
No.
Yes?
joe rogan
No?
annie lederman
No.
joe rogan
Do you want to?
annie lederman
Yeah.
joe rogan
I mean, anybody can.
annie lederman
Okay, I can do it.
unidentified
It's not that hard.
Yeah.
joe rogan
Do you like kombucha?
annie lederman
Kombucha, yeah, it's good.
unidentified
I love it.
annie lederman
It's only alcohol I drink.
joe rogan
Yeah, if you get the real shit, like the GT's kombucha, the ones that you have to have an ID to get.
annie lederman
Is that a relapse, though?
For someone to quit drinking?
joe rogan
I don't think it can be.
annie lederman
I get wasted on kombucha.
That's so hilarious.
What an L.A. way to get drunk.
joe rogan
Right.
You'd have to drink a gallon of it to catch a slight buzz.
I think it's like one half of one percent.
Like, the amount of kombucha you'd have to drink to get drunk?
Like, what's the strongest kombucha you can get?
I bet they have, like, beer kombucha where you get it and it'll actually get you lit.
annie lederman
Definitely.
joe rogan
Right?
unidentified
They do, right?
jamie vernon
Yeah, I was already typing that.
I was going to type that there's, like, weed kombucha, too, which you can get high instead of...
joe rogan
I am not eating any of that shit.
There's a place that I found in Arizona that serves weed pizza.
I'm like, you can eat shit.
I'm not eating weed pizza.
annie lederman
I know they have the weed chefs that come in.
joe rogan
But the thing is, who knows what dose that is?
You get fucking crippled with paranoia.
annie lederman
You're in an ambulance.
joe rogan
If you don't expect it, and you get hit with some crazy weed...
jamie vernon
Yeah, there's a hard kombucha that says it's 4.5, which is its average beer, I think.
joe rogan
Is that average beer?
jamie vernon
I mean, I think even higher.
joe rogan
No.
No, no, no.
Canadian beer is like nine.
jamie vernon
Oh, yeah, yeah, yeah.
What's the limit in Utah?
That's like four or something.
joe rogan
Yeah, it's like Utah beer.
unidentified
Okay.
joe rogan
Bitch-ass beer.
In Utah, they used to have it where if you bought alcohol in a mixer, you had to buy them at separate spots.
You had to buy your alcohol.
Why?
Because it's ridiculous.
jamie vernon
I guess it's hard kombucha, so it's made to be alcohol.
annie lederman
It's like gluten-free beer when you're like, come on now.
joe rogan
No, alcohol in Utah is weird because it's like they want to make money and have commerce, but they also want to uphold their weird Mormon rules.
I had a friend who was a Mormon, and he's like, you can't have coffee, you know, in my religion.
But meanwhile, this motherfucker would carry a monster energy drink everywhere he went.
annie lederman
They are delicious.
joe rogan
They are good.
But he would drink like four or five of them in a day.
I go, dude, you know how many fucking milligrams of caffeine you're taking in?
And he was like, hey.
annie lederman
Well, they're just finding like loopholes, right?
Because it's whatever.
joe rogan
Yeah, that's exactly what it was.
annie lederman
Well, I've never been to Utah, but I am going to be in Salt Lake City.
joe rogan
Utah's awesome.
annie lederman
Doing shows, which I'm excited about.
joe rogan
Why are you there?
annie lederman
I'm there next month in July.
The dates will be on my annieletterman.com.
They're up there right now.
joe rogan
Can you get those on your Instagram, Annie Letterman?
annie lederman
You know, you can.
You will be able to tomorrow when this airs.
joe rogan
Oh, excellent.
annie lederman
You will have them.
They will be in my stories.
What are those stories when they're the circle and you keep the stories?
joe rogan
Oh, you save them.
Save stories.
annie lederman
Yeah, I'll put them in save stories.
So they will be up.
joe rogan
But do you have a schedule of where you're going that's up on your actual Instagram so people can see that?
unidentified
I don't.
joe rogan
You should get a graphic made.
annie lederman
You know what I found?
That when you have the graphics, it doesn't go out.
What do you mean it doesn't go out?
When they see the words on it and the algorithm, they don't give it to you because they want you to buy ads.
unidentified
What?
annie lederman
But I'll make one up if maybe one of my really successful friends wants to post about it.
joe rogan
Yeah, but it's there.
You have hundreds of thousands of followers.
annie lederman
Yeah, but it just will only get seen by like...
A few thousand.
joe rogan
What?
annie lederman
Yeah.
joe rogan
That's real?
jamie vernon
Yeah, I mean, that's how they control the feed, to make money.
annie lederman
Yeah.
joe rogan
Explain that.
jamie vernon
I mean, it's built towards small businesses, but because you, other than our small business, you know, can be a comedian promoting yourself.
They don't want...
I've had to deal with these uploading them.
It'll notice if you have...
It's not the amount of text, it's where the text is and how big it is.
So if it's taking up 10% of the picture, it will just not go out into the feed unless instantly, you know, 10% of your people like it, comment on it, share it themselves, bookmark it, do all these things.
They want you to pay to set it up.
joe rogan
Oh, so if you do that and you want to promote it, you'd have to get a promoted ad, and then it would show up as a promoted ad.
But people get grossed out by those.
annie lederman
Yeah, and I don't want to do that.
I mean, if I have to, I'll do it.
But, you know, who knows?
Maybe people repost it.
joe rogan
But if you just put it there, at least people that go to your page will find it.
Are you trying to repost it?
annie lederman
No, I would never do that.
joe rogan
I'm not desperate.
I'm not a desperate person.
annie lederman
I'm not a desperate person.
joe rogan
Yeah, okay.
AnnieLetterman.com.
annie lederman
Go there.
No, but I'll post it.
Yeah, no, I will post it.
I'll have it up and I can put, if I put it in the stories with links and then I can put it in one of my saved things.
joe rogan
Do all that shit.
annie lederman
I will.
joe rogan
Do all that shit.
annie lederman
I will.
unidentified
Annie Letterman on tour.
annie lederman
I'm just so fun.
It's so fun.
I'm just like loving it.
joe rogan
I'm excited for you.
It's so nice because when we first met, you were in the fucking, the heat of the struggle, kid.
You know?
annie lederman
I was living on my car and shit for the second time.
joe rogan
Now you're ballin'.
annie lederman
I feel great.
I'm very excited.
unidentified
That's awesome.
annie lederman
You deserve it.
It's so fun.
It's just such a different experience when you do weekends.
Are you coughing because I drank the water and you can't drink it?
joe rogan
No, I drank coffee before this stuff, and it's got a lot of phlegm stuff in it.
This must have some sort of milk or something in it, because I keep doing that.
Goddamn, this is delicious.
annie lederman
It's so good.
joe rogan
Black rifle coffee.
annie lederman
Your espresso 300. But there's such a difference.
Like, do you even remember when you would perform and they didn't know who you were?
joe rogan
Oh, yeah.
annie lederman
It's so hard because I'm such a specific, you know, myself.
So it's like a lot of people aren't going to like me, which is totally fine.
But it's to do to do these shows where most of the audience is just people that are like, let's take the family out to a comedy show.
And then I'm like, like, oh, God, it's just such a different experience when people know who I am.
It's just so fun.
joe rogan
I don't think it started happening to me.
Well, when it happened to me, it was actually a trick because they knew me from Fear Factor.
So it's really kind of a dirty trick.
Some people knew me from my stand-up.
I was selling out some clubs.
I would do really well in some places back before Fear Factor, like when I was on news radio.
But even maybe then they liked me from news radio.
Maybe some people saw me because of that and then maybe liked my comedy.
Yeah.
But it wasn't until after Fear Factor that people started coming to see me specifically, knowing what I did, and that took a while.
It was during the beginning of the podcast days, like in 2009, that it really started to take off.
That was when I started doing big theaters.
annie lederman
And people start to really invest in who you are, and they're just excited to...
joe rogan
You know this from doing your own podcast and doing all the other podcasts you've done.
People, you're in their head in this weird way.
They know you.
People come up to me like, dude!
And I'm like, hey, what's up?
annie lederman
Yeah, I know.
And then I slam them into a wall and ask for a hundred bucks.
That was one of the funniest things, honestly.
joe rogan
Our little thing.
annie lederman
That was so funny.
joe rogan
Every time I would see him, I'd be like, hey, keep a little something for yourself.
annie lederman
Joey's like, what are you doing?
And I was like, Joey, do not laugh at the fucking joke, Joey.
It's a funny joke.
joe rogan
It was a funny joke we were doing.
annie lederman
No, thank you so much.
I'm very grateful.
That was very helpful back then.
I'm so happy that I don't need that anymore.
joe rogan
No, I'm happy you don't need it.
I knew you weren't going to.
There's certain people that you just know.
You just know.
You already had the most important thing.
You were already funny.
It was just a matter of the rest of the world figuring it out and you putting in the time and developing a real act.
That's all it was.
I always say that to people that are struggling in the beginning.
I always go way out of my way to tell them that.
I'm like, you already have it.
You got the thing.
You're fucking funny.
You know who's fucking hilarious?
Brian Simpson.
annie lederman
Oh yeah, he really is funny.
joe rogan
Holy shit is that dude funny.
Holy shit, is he funny.
annie lederman
He has something coming out, I don't think I'm allowed to tell, but you'll know who he is.
You'll know who he is soon.
joe rogan
He's a fucking monster.
We did a bunch of shows at Creek in the Cave and at Vulcan.
He's one of those guys.
I told him, I'd go, dude, you're going to be fucking huge.
You're going to be huge.
Because his premises are so clever.
His delivery is fantastic.
He murders.
And he's got the most important part, which is like, some people are really good at marketing and they're really good at putting...
He's just a murderer.
Just a murderer.
And it's just time.
It's just time before everybody figures it out.
annie lederman
And honestly, he's one of the products, I think him, Lara Bites, I would say myself too, like those late night spots of the comedy store where you just get to kind of perform to so few people, but you really get to figure your shit out.
joe rogan
Yeah.
annie lederman
And the comedy store process actually really does work for you.
joe rogan
Oh yeah.
annie lederman
And then you just start getting, like now they're giving me such good spots.
It's so fun.
joe rogan
The process works, but also, what also works is that boiler room of all those other comics around you that are killers.
Like, you're doing a show, and Jesselnik's on the show, and this person and that person.
All these killers.
You're just bang, bang, bang, bang, bang.
All these people that are murdering.
And you go on stage after them, and you have to kind of keep that same energy.
annie lederman
Yeah.
joe rogan
It's a big factor.
annie lederman
It's really fun.
Well, when Tommy was doing it, he used to put me in between killers when I was very new.
joe rogan
Wow, I don't want to do it.
annie lederman
Tommy knows where to put you.
He'd go, I'm going to catapult you up.
And then Adam came in and I was right back to the bottom, but I worked my way up.
joe rogan
You sound a little bitter.
annie lederman
I'm not bitter.
joe rogan
That's okay.
annie lederman
No, I'm grateful.
I really honestly feel very happy with my trajectory.
joe rogan
Well, you should.
You're fucking hilarious.
annie lederman
I feel like I've got time to figure it out.
joe rogan
You'll be on the top of the food chain in just a couple.
I guarantee you.
100%.
unidentified
Thank you.
joe rogan
Fucking hilarious.
And you're awesome.
annie lederman
I love you.
joe rogan
I love you, too.
annie lederman
Thank you so much.
I might have missed my plane, but it was worth it.
joe rogan
Fuck your plane.
All right.
AnnieLetterman.com.
Annie Letterman on Twitter.
Annie Letterman on Instagram.
annie lederman
Instagram is my favorite.
She shows her butt.
I don't show my butt too much.
Sometimes it peaks.
unidentified
Goodbye, everybody.
annie lederman
Bye, guys.
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