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April 13, 2021 - The Joe Rogan Experience
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Joe Rogan Experience #1633 - Ali Macofsky
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ali macofsky
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jamie vernon
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joe rogan
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joe rogan
And...
Hello, Allie!
ali macofsky
Hi, Joe!
joe rogan
What's going on, kid?
How you living?
unidentified
Not much.
joe rogan
I can call you kid for five more years.
ali macofsky
Do I really get it that long?
joe rogan
Yeah, you get it to 30 because I'm 53. I'm an old man.
I can call you kid into your late 30s.
ali macofsky
Yeah, because you'll always be older than me.
joe rogan
Yes, always.
You'll always be a kid.
ali macofsky
I think kids should stop when I'm off my parents' insurance in September.
Then you'll call me an adult and I'll break my arm and I'll be like, Joe, can you help?
joe rogan
I remember when I was a kid, I would hear, when I was a kid, when I was in my 20s, I would hear men that were in their late 30s and 40s calling their significant other their girlfriend.
And I was like, that's a 39-year-old woman.
That's not a girl.
ali macofsky
Well, now everyone's doing the partner thing.
I used to talk shit about it because I would have, like, straight friends who are like, this is my partner.
And I'm like, it's your boyfriend.
But now I kind of like it because girlfriend, boyfriend, it sounds so corny.
I actually got booed up, Joe.
joe rogan
You got booed up?
ali macofsky
Yeah, I'm booed up.
joe rogan
What does that mean?
ali macofsky
I got a boyfriend.
joe rogan
Oh, you got a boyfriend?
unidentified
I have a boyfriend.
joe rogan
That's what booed up means?
ali macofsky
Yeah, you're booed up.
joe rogan
Oh, where'd you meet this fella?
ali macofsky
Tinder.
joe rogan
Really?
ali macofsky
Yeah, I was trying to get an STD because I haven't had one yet.
And I found him and he's got nothing for me.
He's clean as a whistle.
joe rogan
Damn.
ali macofsky
I know.
joe rogan
Were you hoping to get one of them curable ones or one of them ones you keep forever?
ali macofsky
If there's a pill for it, I'm like, give it.
Give it.
joe rogan
Like the clap?
ali macofsky
Yeah, I'm on my insurance until September.
I'm like, fuck it.
joe rogan
Let's try it out.
ali macofsky
Yeah, the way you're trying to get COVID, I'm trying to get like chlamydia or something.
I like chlamydia.
It's hard to spell.
joe rogan
It's a weird one because I feel like you don't know you have it and then you give it to people and then everyone's mad at you.
ali macofsky
It's the COVID of venereal diseases.
You don't know you have it.
I just found out that I had COVID here.
joe rogan
Yeah, we found out just an hour ago or 20 minutes ago.
What's really crazy is that you didn't have any idea.
ali macofsky
I had no idea.
I mean, there was- Were you sick a little?
I was sick because I thought that I just had like a cold and I felt like really lethargic, but I'm a pretty lethargic person in general.
So I'm like, is this normal lethargy or like- For real.
And so I was like laying in bed, you know, taking like Tylenol or whatever and just kind of like trying to ride it out.
But I was going to a place.
This is what I think is so flawed is because COVID was so...
We found out so immediately.
It was like people were just coming out with testing centers that weren't fully prepared.
And so I was going to this place in L.A. getting tested regularly and I was getting negatives every time.
And then an article came out that that specific testing center had a lot of false negatives.
Huh.
So I thought I didn't have it.
But there was part of me that was like, this could be it.
But I tested negative.
joe rogan
Why did that particular testing center have a lot of false negatives?
ali macofsky
Because the guy who created, it's called Curative Corps, and the guy who started it, I guess, was like a tech dude in SF, and when COVID hit, he's like, here's a money opportunity for me.
I'll just get a bunch of tests, make them happen quickly, and so he did that, and he made it happen, but there were a lot of false negatives reported.
joe rogan
Huh.
ali macofsky
Yeah.
joe rogan
I wonder what he used, like, for testing.
That's, hmm.
ali macofsky
Yeah.
joe rogan
That's bad.
ali macofsky
It is bad.
joe rogan
That's because you get false confidence.
ali macofsky
Totally.
And that's the thing is I was, like, trying to, obviously when I got sick, I'm like, there's a chance that it could be COVID, so I'm not going to, like, be raging or anything when I'm not feeling good.
And so I just laid low, but that would be such a fear for me, is, like, going over to see my parents.
Because there's this weird thing where, like, young people my age and, like, boomers my parents' age, they both kind of don't give a fuck about COVID, some of them.
My parents care, but they're like, my sister, oh, she doesn't want me talking about it.
unidentified
Pfft!
ali macofsky
My sister didn't have COVID, but hypothetically, if she did around Christmas time, she's gonna be so mad.
unidentified
Fuck.
joe rogan
Don't say it.
ali macofsky
She didn't have COVID, but if she did, my mom was like, if you test positive before COVID, just wear a mask over to my house.
joe rogan
Wow.
ali macofsky
Yeah.
joe rogan
Your mom's risky.
ali macofsky
She's a little risky gal.
That's where I get it from.
joe rogan
She's a risky lady.
ali macofsky
Crazy ladies in the Makovsky home.
joe rogan
Yeah, that's the big fear.
I heard about this one kid who was 21 who was out partying, wasn't paying any attention at all, and almost killed his dad.
ali macofsky
Wow.
joe rogan
Yeah, he got it and barely knew he had it, and his dad got it real bad.
And his dad was in the hospital, and it was just horrific.
And they were just so worried that the kid was going to kill his dad.
And he didn't.
Not that he was going to kill his dad.
COVID did.
But I mean, if you're living with your parents, and you're just out there getting buck wild, and you're 21 years old, When so many people were moving back in with their parents during this time because they're not making money.
ali macofsky
I was thinking about it.
I stayed with my mom the first two months and I was like, should I just live with her?
But I can't do that.
joe rogan
You want to still love her.
ali macofsky
I want to love her, yeah.
I don't want to wake up with my hand around her neck and I'll be like, how did I get here?
Like a blackout rage.
joe rogan
Especially if you take Ambien.
ali macofsky
I don't take Ambien.
joe rogan
Good for you.
ali macofsky
I watch reality shows.
joe rogan
People do a lot of that on Ambien.
One guy, I think this was an Ambien thing.
It might have been a sleepwalking thing.
I'm pretty sure it was an Ambien thing.
I think he drove to someone's house and murdered them and then came home and didn't know he did it.
God, I'm trying to remember the specifics of the story, because Kevin James, my friend Kevin, you know, from King, Queens.
ali macofsky
Of course I know Kevin.
joe rogan
Hilarious comedian.
He used to take the Ambien, and he had some experiences.
One of them where he cooked dinner and didn't realize it, and he literally thought someone broke into his house and cooked.
ali macofsky
He's like, dude, I hire a private chef.
joe rogan
You just forget.
Like, big chunks.
Okay, here it is.
What is it?
What was he saying here?
A forensic psychologist and two psychiatrists were involved in the two cases discussed.
So what are the cases?
In least three cases, a person with no apparent motive and no history of violence brutally murdered a spouse or close friend in the wee hours after taking more than the recommended dose of Zolpidem?
Is that the same as Ambien?
jamie vernon
I typed in Ambien murders and this is what I got led to.
joe rogan
Zolpidem, along with other psychotropic medications.
Yeah, that's the thing with a lot of that stuff, is if you combine them together, like maybe you could combine it together and you'd have no problem, but maybe if Jamie combined it together, he'd have a wildly different reaction and start merking people.
ali macofsky
Jamie, let's test it out tonight.
Go to 6th Street, walk around town, pop a couple AMs.
joe rogan
So tell me about this fella.
ali macofsky
Oh my gosh.
joe rogan
You met him on Tinder?
ali macofsky
I met him on Tinder.
Well, it's funny because last time I was on your podcast, I was talking about how I like a lanky, skinny boy who needs me to snuggle for body heat.
You know, that's my kind, like a breakable boy.
And I found him.
joe rogan
He's a breakable boy?
ali macofsky
6'3", small guy.
joe rogan
How much does he weigh?
ali macofsky
Has a lot of shitty tattoos.
We have that in common.
unidentified
Nice.
ali macofsky
I don't know how much he weighs.
I was going to say 130, but that would be way off.
unidentified
He's like 170. Oh, so he's a fairly sturdy fella.
ali macofsky
He's sturdy enough.
joe rogan
You're probably not going to break him.
ali macofsky
Yeah, I'm working on it.
joe rogan
How long have you guys been together?
ali macofsky
Five months, which is like five years in alley time.
joe rogan
In alley time, that's a lifetime.
ali macofsky
Yeah.
joe rogan
When are you popping the ring?
ali macofsky
I don't want to get married.
joe rogan
Ever?
Ever.
ali macofsky
I don't know.
Maybe at some point.
I'm a slow and steady type of gal.
I want to focus on myself.
I don't want to get distracted by weddings and dresses.
You know what's fucked up?
joe rogan
What's fucked up?
ali macofsky
Okay, so here's the thing I didn't know.
So my mom allocated, like, a certain amount of money for me and my two sisters for when we get married, like, you know, X amount of dollars for a wedding dress, you know?
And last year, I think, like, 2020, when I did my 2019 taxes or 2020 taxes or something, I didn't realize with comedy you're supposed to be...
I've always been, like, a W-2 employee.
I've worked at food restaurants, like, whatever.
joe rogan
Oh, yeah, and paying your taxes.
ali macofsky
No, I have been.
I'm very diligent.
I'm diligent.
But I didn't realize that like with comedy, it's all like 1099s.
You're like a private contractor of whatever club you're at.
And so I wasn't saving a portion of my comedy checks.
joe rogan
Yeah, you weren't paying your taxes.
That's what I'm saying.
ali macofsky
Well, this was the first year that I had 1099s.
And so I didn't realize that I was supposed to be putting money away for taxes.
So my mom's like, do you want to get married or do you want to pay your taxes?
And so I was like, help me pay my taxes.
And I learned my lesson the hard way.
I was freaking out.
joe rogan
There was a bunch of guys in Boston that were big-time headliners that got paid in cash.
ali macofsky
What a dream.
joe rogan
Yeah, and they liked to do coke.
ali macofsky
Sure.
joe rogan
And they were partying.
ali macofsky
Sure.
joe rogan
And they didn't pay their taxes for like a decade, and they all got hit.
And once the IRS hit one of them, then they realized all these other guys are doing the same thing.
And so Boston had like these...
Really big local headliners.
It's a very rare place where they would have headliners that were local guys that could sell out every weekend in a row.
ali macofsky
Yeah.
joe rogan
It was crazy and people come to see the same act over and over and over again.
It was a very unusual place.
ali macofsky
Yeah.
joe rogan
But these guys were going hard for more than a decade, two decades even.
And a lot of them got popped and they owed hundreds of thousands of dollars.
Hundreds of thousands in back taxes.
And then you just saddle down by this debt, thinking about all those times you just blew it on golf clubs and cars.
ali macofsky
Oh yeah, you rethink everything you've ever done.
You're like, why did I get coffee ever?
I can run on water.
I don't need to go to Starbucks.
joe rogan
How much did you wind up on?
ali macofsky
I think I owed maybe around $8,000, which might seem like pennies.
unidentified
It's a lot.
ali macofsky
It's a lot.
joe rogan
That's real money.
ali macofsky
When you're collecting unemployment for COVID and you're like, can I use unemployment to pay my tax?
It was scary and I did not want to owe interest on it.
So luckily my mom helped a lot and I'm so grateful for that because it also taught me...
Now I save a third.
Every time I make money, I'm like, put that shit away.
joe rogan
I can't believe you didn't know.
That's kind of crazy.
ali macofsky
I know.
joe rogan
You're not that young.
ali macofsky
No one tells you when you get into...
I just didn't know anything.
I personally was so naive when I got into stand-up.
I never thought about all of the outside things that are involved in stand-up.
So I feel like I'm still learning.
joe rogan
What are the other outside things?
ali macofsky
I feel like now with...
I don't know, just like booking my own flights to get to shows or like promoting my own shows and ticket sales and I don't know, just all these like weird things that come up along the way.
Like when I came to Texas, I'm like, am I supposed to rent a car?
Do I fly to each place?
Like where do I? I don't know.
joe rogan
You didn't know about all that?
Because you were going with other people before.
ali macofsky
Before, yeah, I'd go with Santino on the road, Tony, and so I just had to show up, be on time, bring a suitcase, have some underwear to change into.
You know, that's pretty much all I had to do.
And now I'm the dude trying to figure out all the plans.
joe rogan
Right, and now you're headlining.
ali macofsky
Yeah.
joe rogan
And so you also have to deal with shitty middle acts.
ali macofsky
Yeah.
unidentified
Ooh.
ali macofsky
Yeah.
joe rogan
Have you done Florida yet?
ali macofsky
I love Florida.
I have not done, like, an official headlining spot there.
joe rogan
I love Florida, too.
They have the worst acts ever to open for you.
It's almost like they do it on purpose.
ali macofsky
100%.
My buddy Shaw lives out there.
Worst dude I've ever seen.
I love him.
Don't say that all long enough.
He's not.
I'm giving him a hard time.
He's great.
I love him.
joe rogan
Is there something about Florida road acts, though, where you're just like, Jesus.
Like, you can't listen.
You have to hide.
ali macofsky
That's the thing about being in a major city like LA or New York is you can be shitty in LA or New York.
There's plenty of people who suck at comedy in big places, but you're surrounded by people who are also very good.
So you either grow out of that and keep working and growing over time or you don't get to see that as often and you kind of stay stuck.
joe rogan
Yeah, well, I think Miami has a community now.
I was there a few years back and they were telling me that there's like a pretty decent community in Miami.
I know Schultz is in Miami now and he's been doing a lot of gigs.
I think it's just cities need a scene, you know, if they don't have a scene.
Austin has a very nice scene.
ali macofsky
Yeah.
joe rogan
You know, like even though Cap City went under, there's still plenty.
There's like a couple of new local clubs.
There's this Sunset Strip Club.
There's the Romo Room.
There's Vulcan Gas Company.
The Paramount is still doing shows.
ali macofsky
I just saw Mark Norman last night.
joe rogan
He was there this weekend, yeah.
ali macofsky
Yeah, I went to his show.
It was so funny.
joe rogan
Oh, he was there last night too?
ali macofsky
Yeah, I think they added a show, so I went.
joe rogan
Shit.
ali macofsky
Oh, it was so fun.
Eddie Pepitone was just here.
He was at the Creek in the Cave.
joe rogan
Yeah, that's the new one, right?
ali macofsky
Yeah.
joe rogan
How many is that seat?
Seat's like 90 or something?
ali macofsky
I don't know.
It's pretty intimate because right now they just have the outdoor space.
I think they're working on the indoor space.
joe rogan
Oh, they have an outdoor space.
Oh, so it was an outdoor show.
ali macofsky
It was an outdoor show.
joe rogan
The scene here's good.
Like when we've done Kill Tony here, the local opening acts are very funny.
unidentified
Yeah.
joe rogan
There's like a good amount of Rick real good talent in the city.
unidentified
Yeah.
joe rogan
So it's cool.
ali macofsky
Yeah, I'm going to go tonight to Kill Tony.
unidentified
Nice.
ali macofsky
I'm excited.
joe rogan
And the music scene here is fucking incredible.
There's so many good bands here.
So many good musicians and artists.
It's a good scene.
It's a good scene.
ali macofsky
Do you think you're in a honeymoon phase right now?
joe rogan
No, I've been coming here since the 90s.
I've always loved Austin.
I'm happy.
COVID gave me a nice excuse.
It's just the lower population density is nice.
ali macofsky
Because it's so big.
It's so spread out.
joe rogan
Well, it's just the numbers of people here are so minor in comparison to L.A. You know, it's not even close.
And it is spread out, but it's just people are more chilled here.
And there's no, there's the Hollywood influence.
There's an artistic influence here as opposed to like, I want to be famous influence.
ali macofsky
Yeah, but at the same time, I feel like maybe with all the big comedians like yourself coming out here, it is kind of bringing...
joe rogan
We're going to ruin it.
ali macofsky
Say it.
joe rogan
Just say it.
We're going to ruin it.
ali macofsky
You're not going to ruin it, but there will be a time when people will think that this is a shortcut.
joe rogan
Oh.
A shortcut.
There's no shortcuts in comedy.
ali macofsky
Exactly.
joe rogan
But you can't think that way.
Well, first of all, you know, comedy is one of the true meritocracies.
Because if you don't do well, if the people don't laugh, it stops.
There's a few people that are exceptions to that rule.
That have figured out a way to carve their way deep into the pores like some sort of a strange parasite.
ali macofsky
Yeah.
joe rogan
But for the most part.
For the most part.
ali macofsky
Yeah.
Everyone's coming out here.
joe rogan
Not everyone.
ali macofsky
Some people.
joe rogan
Some people went to Nashville.
ali macofsky
Yeah, I've never been.
joe rogan
They went to Nashville.
Nashville's great.
And, you know, they got that Zanies Club, which is one of the best clubs in the country.
It's a great place to work out of.
ali macofsky
Yeah, there's so many places I haven't been.
joe rogan
You've never been to Nashville?
ali macofsky
Never been to Nashville.
joe rogan
Bitch, I gotta take you to Nashville.
ali macofsky
Take me to Nashville.
Why don't you do a show out there?
joe rogan
Well, I had a show booked with Chappelle.
ali macofsky
Oh, how have those been?
joe rogan
Fun.
ali macofsky
Real fun.
I have so much FOMO. Yeah, sorry about that.
Watching everyone's stories out here.
I'm just in bed eating hot Cheetos and...
joe rogan
Hot Cheetos are fucking surprisingly good.
ali macofsky
Oh, have you tried Takis?
joe rogan
No.
ali macofsky
Oh, it's like, I was like a loyal Hot Cheetos gal.
Hot Cheetos are the best, and then I tried Takis.
What is a Taki?
joe rogan
How do you spell it?
ali macofsky
T-A-K-I apostrophe S. Oh.
And they have all these, there's like a blue one, that's psycho, I haven't tried that, but it's almost like a Frito, like a corn chip, but it's rolled up.
It's a little roll, and then they have hot dust all over it.
joe rogan
Hot dust.
ali macofsky
I don't know what the ingredient is for that, but it gets my butthole going every time.
I love it.
You need to wake up, you're just like throwing some Takis.
Get set.
joe rogan
Yeah, they have ridiculous Tex-Mex out here.
There's a lot of that.
ali macofsky
Yeah.
joe rogan
It's a weird combination of, you know, Mexican food and whatever they're doing to it.
They call it Tex-Mex.
ali macofsky
Yeah, Texican Mexican.
joe rogan
A lot of queso.
Like, queso, for whatever reason, I don't understand this, never caught on outside of Texas.
ali macofsky
Do you think it's because it's just not good enough?
It's like one of those things where...
joe rogan
No, it's fucking amazing.
ali macofsky
It's really good, I know.
joe rogan
Queso's amazing.
It's delicious.
Queso with chips, it's so good.
ali macofsky
Yeah, I don't know why more people don't do it.
joe rogan
I don't know.
It's like a...
But I don't think it's a real cheese.
jamie vernon
Is there a difference between queso and nachos?
ali macofsky
Yeah.
joe rogan
Yeah, you fucking communist.
unidentified
I'm asking.
jamie vernon
What is it?
What is it?
joe rogan
Queso is a dip.
Nachos is the stuff on the outside.
It's mostly cheese and sour cream and jalapenos and meat.
It's a totally different thing.
Queso is like a bowl of like...
It's like a liquid cheese.
I don't think it's real cheese.
I think it's like a Velveeta type deal.
ali macofsky
For sure.
joe rogan
It's probably super bad for you.
It's just the cheese.
Yes, it's just the cheese, but sometimes it has meat in it.
Sometimes it has...
ali macofsky
Like peppers?
joe rogan
Yeah, minced peppers.
jamie vernon
Soto nachos, though.
joe rogan
No, but it's a bowl.
It's a bowl you dip into.
With queso and chips, you get a bowl of chips.
jamie vernon
I've had it.
I'm like, how is this not...
This is just chips and cheese, though.
I've had this everywhere.
joe rogan
So white.
jamie vernon
I'm Ohio.
ali macofsky
What do you think, Joe?
joe rogan
Let's find out what are the ingredients of queso.
Because I don't think it's cheese.
I think it's like a Velveeta deal.
ali macofsky
Sometimes you all have bad queso and you're like, did you just heat up half and half?
What is this?
joe rogan
There's a place out here that I need to go to that everybody talks about.
It's called Matt's El Rancho.
It's supposed to be the shit.
Have you been?
jamie vernon
And I've had their chili con queso.
joe rogan
Is it the shape?
jamie vernon
Very good, but I was like, this is just cheese and beef?
joe rogan
Yeah.
That's chili con queso.
It's like beef and the cheese.
Queso is cheese in Mexican.
jamie vernon
Ingredients of queso brings up chili con queso.
That's why I said it.
Mexican cheesed it.
ali macofsky
Yeah, they do use some...
joe rogan
Chili pepper, tomatoes.
unidentified
Velveeta.
joe rogan
Yeah, Velveeta, I think, is the main deal.
And cream cheese.
ali macofsky
Oh, I love cream cheese.
joe rogan
Cream cheese is pretty goddamn good.
I wish bagels were good for you.
ali macofsky
I know.
joe rogan
I wish they were.
It's like I got hit with a tranquilizer dart.
ali macofsky
Oh, you're out after that.
Every Christmas, my dad does like a Jewish platter spread.
So I'll make bagels, whitefish, cod, lox, and we just get this whole spread.
And then I'm just like sitting on the couch in my Christmas PJs that are all matching with my siblings, just gassing it up.
And then you're like opening presents and you're like, what is it?
A gift card to Applebee's?
Great.
Just what I wanted right now.
joe rogan
That's what you usually got?
ali macofsky
No.
I got some good stuff.
joe rogan
Did you?
ali macofsky
Yeah, because I used to be such a brat.
It's like embarrassing.
joe rogan
You used to be a brat?
ali macofsky
I'm still kind of a brat.
I'm growing out of it.
unidentified
Really?
Yeah.
joe rogan
How come I don't see that side of you ever?
ali macofsky
Because that's just my family.
I feel like when you're with your family, it's like the child in you comes out.
joe rogan
Yeah, you revert.
Do you ever feel like that?
Well, where'd you grow up?
ali macofsky
I grew up in Long Beach.
joe rogan
When you go back to Long Beach, do you feel like whatever weird shit you still have?
ali macofsky
Oh, it's weird.
I still drive by my first boyfriend's house.
joe rogan
Oh, do you?
Do you honk your horn?
Fuck you!
ali macofsky
Well, it's embarrassing because he lives in a cul-de-sac, so if he were to ever see me, he'd know that I was only there to stop by his place.
joe rogan
I thought you were going to say he lives in a cult.
ali macofsky
I don't know what he's up to now.
He might be.
joe rogan
What is this?
Yeah, that's weird.
ali macofsky
Yeah.
joe rogan
Does he know what kind of car you drive?
ali macofsky
Not anymore.
When I first got a car, I had a Jeep Grand Cherokee, and now I've upgraded to a Kia Sportage 2018. Yeah, I don't want to flex too much on this podcast.
joe rogan
When I used to go back to high school, like to where I went to high school with, I felt like a fucking tremendous loser, like always.
Just being around it brought back the exact feelings that I felt like when I was in high school.
ali macofsky
I sat in the bathroom at lunch in high school and it wasn't like it was this weird thing where I just felt different than everyone.
Like I wasn't bullied really.
I mean I'm sure I had like the moments of like everyone hates me they said this but I wasn't like bullied in any way but I just was like I was friends with everyone but I didn't feel like I had a place.
joe rogan
You know, I think a lot of people feel that way.
ali macofsky
Yeah.
joe rogan
I think more people feel that way than feel like they have a place.
It's just this transitionary period when you're a teenager where everything feels off.
ali macofsky
Well and it's like in high school everyone kind of has their groups like there's you know the jocks and the pretty girls and the athletes whatever and I just never felt like I really fit into a group and so I would just sit alone in the bathroom and I don't know it's so weird looking back and then how miserable I was in high school I was like so depressed.
joe rogan
Yeah, my friends from high school all went to the other school on the other side of town.
They went to Newton North.
I went to Newton South.
But my friends that I'm still friends with to this day didn't even go to high school with me.
They were on the other side of town.
ali macofsky
How'd you guys meet?
Parties?
joe rogan
Yeah, just being around the same town, you know?
Newton's small.
It's a small suburb of L.A. Named after Wayne?
Yes.
ali macofsky
Okay.
joe rogan
Named after, yeah.
ali macofsky
I love that dude.
joe rogan
Do you?
ali macofsky
I love like Vegas acts.
joe rogan
I remember the first time I heard that I'm like who is this girl that sings this song?
ali macofsky
My sister did the same thing.
She said guess guess who sings this and I was like obviously a young lady with a beautiful voice that came from angels and she was like it's a dude who now looks like a lady.
joe rogan
Well, he has similar characteristics to older ladies in that he's working his face up.
ali macofsky
I think I read something, though, that he has.
Jamie, you know what I'm about to say.
Pull it up, baby.
There's something I think that he has.
joe rogan
Like a disease?
ali macofsky
Something.
I don't want to say, I don't want to badmouth my hero.
joe rogan
He's quite elderly.
ali macofsky
Yeah, but I think he had...
I don't know.
Maybe I read it on some fake...
joe rogan
Do you know Robert Redford is almost 90?
ali macofsky
He's alive?
unidentified
Yes.
ali macofsky
Wow.
Good for him.
joe rogan
Yeah, he's almost 90. I saw something on...
Something.
And they were like, Robert Redford.
ali macofsky
He used to be a babe from what I've heard.
joe rogan
Oh, yeah.
He was a handsome fellow.
ali macofsky
All the ladies used to pull their skirts up from their ankles when they saw him.
joe rogan
Back in the day?
ali macofsky
Back in the day.
They're like, I'll show you my ankles.
Robbie...
joe rogan
They pulled their clogs off.
ali macofsky
This is pretty good.
joe rogan
It's not right?
ali macofsky
Yeah.
I'm like a little nervous my first CBD trip.
joe rogan
It doesn't do anything to you.
ali macofsky
But then why do people do it?
That's the thing.
joe rogan
Well, CBD is good for inflammation and it helps some people with...
If you have anxiety, it helps people sleep.
But it helps with joint pain and inflammation.
unidentified
Okay.
joe rogan
Yeah.
This is a mild dose.
These Killcliffs have 25 milligrams of CBD, which is not, you know, fairly mild.
ali macofsky
Yeah.
joe rogan
I like a couple hundred at a time.
Do you ever shotgun him?
I mean a couple hundred milligrams at a time.
I get most of my CBD from actual supplements.
What is that?
Show me that again, Jamie.
jamie vernon
It's just young Wayne.
I can't find anything.
joe rogan
Wow.
ali macofsky
Oh, maybe I made that up.
joe rogan
See the picture of him in the middle?
ali macofsky
Yeah, the middle top one.
joe rogan
See, that's not...
ali macofsky
But I thought I read that there was something...
joe rogan
I don't know.
Well, clearly he's had a little bit of plastic surgery, but that's the problem is that...
That shit doesn't make you look good.
It just makes you look different.
ali macofsky
I'm gonna get jacked up on that.
joe rogan
On plastic surgery?
unidentified
Oh, yeah.
joe rogan
What do you think you're gonna do?
Get a cat face?
ali macofsky
Well, I got small little baby white girl lips.
joe rogan
You wanna get them plumped?
ali macofsky
When I smile, my lip just plays hide-and-seek with me.
It's like, where'd she go?
joe rogan
You ever used the filter on Snapchat?
ali macofsky
Oh, it's dangerous.
joe rogan
Makes them giant.
ali macofsky
The duck face filter?
joe rogan
Yeah.
There's a filter that makes your lips fat and shiny.
ali macofsky
And then it makes your cheeks all juicy.
joe rogan
Oh, does it?
ali macofsky
Oh, yeah.
Pumps the cheeks up.
joe rogan
Do you wish you had better lips?
Maybe you wouldn't be as funny if you were hotter.
ali macofsky
I know.
I know.
It's a hard balance.
You don't want to be some garbage troll.
But you don't want to be too sexy.
I had a guy tell me after a show...
He said, I don't get why you dress down on stage.
And I'm like, what do you want me to do?
Wear a bikini on stage?
Do you want to throw money at me?
I'll take getting thrown money at, but...
joe rogan
I think men just try to find a way to criticize a girl, to put her on her heels, so that, like, you get a little defensive, and so you're not, you know, you feel uncomfortable.
So he probably feels uncomfortable, so he wants you to feel uncomfortable.
So he says something like that, like, why don't you dress nicer?
And you're like, oh, why don't I dress nicer?
ali macofsky
I don't give a fuck about what people say about how I dress.
joe rogan
Oh, look at you.
ali macofsky
I mean, I probably do.
I'm, like, crying at night.
unidentified
Why do you say I look like that?
joe rogan
But you know what it is?
It's like inside, that's probably the little psychological game he's playing.
He probably doesn't feel comfortable with the fact that he's insecure around you.
So, uh, plus he sees you vaping.
You look kind of cool.
Blow it out.
Show everybody.
unidentified
Yeah.
ali macofsky
What's up, Post Malone?
joe rogan
I don't give a fuck about lung damage.
ali macofsky
Yeah, it's so interesting because I get objectified looking like whatever he thinks I look like a troll on stage.
So if I'm trying to do it up and show off my body and look really sexy on stage, that doesn't feel comfortable to me.
I like wearing baggy pants.
I like wearing baggy shirts.
I just feel good.
When I just look like that.
And so if I'm already getting objectified...
joe rogan
How are you getting objectified?
ali macofsky
Just like DMs and comments and stuff.
joe rogan
Is that objectified or is it just being hit on?
Because if it's a guy, are you being objectified?
If girls send you DMs, are you being objectified?
ali macofsky
I don't know about the ins and outs.
That's just the word.
joe rogan
That objectified is a weird thing because it's like this pejorative that always gets used and I'm not always sure if it's the accurate thing to say because for sure men do objectify women sometimes.
Like some men look at a woman like, I just want to dig it in a hole.
ali macofsky
Well, that's what my messages are for sure.
joe rogan
I want to stick it in your hole.
ali macofsky
Oh, yeah.
So, yeah.
Oh, yeah.
I would love to show you my messages.
joe rogan
I'm sure some guys do that to, like, any girl they run into.
unidentified
Yeah.
joe rogan
Right?
Don't you think, though, that's, like, really dumb magic tricks?
Like, like, ooh, let me see if I can trick you.
You know, like, you're going to have, like, really sophisticated con artists like Bernie Madoff, and then you're going to have really bad magicians, right, that are doing obvious tricks.
And it's like good comedy versus bad comedy.
It's like a terrible movie versus a fucking amazing movie.
ali macofsky
Yeah.
joe rogan
It's like everything else.
There's levels to it.
And what you're getting in those DMs is just the hit version, like hit on you version of like a really shitty song or a really shitty story that someone wrote.
That's what you're getting.
ali macofsky
Yeah.
I feel comfortable the way I look on stage.
joe rogan
Okay, we'll go back to your shoe.
Whatever you want to wear.
That's fine.
Don't worry.
Don't think about it.
Just be you.
ali macofsky
Okay.
joe rogan
Fuck that dude.
ali macofsky
Fuck that dude.
No, he's a nice guy.
He was drunk.
joe rogan
Maybe he's not.
ali macofsky
He's a nice guy.
joe rogan
He just wants to stick it in your hole.
ali macofsky
He does.
He told me.
That was revealed later on in the conversation.
joe rogan
It's got to be weird being a girl.
ali macofsky
It is weird.
It's fun though, you know?
joe rogan
When girls go lesbian, I go, I get it.
I get it.
ali macofsky
I've tried.
I go through seasons of lesbianism.
Every once in a while, I'm like, maybe...
joe rogan
Seasons.
ali macofsky
I go through seasons, yeah.
joe rogan
Like baseball season?
ali macofsky
I'm like, oh, it's fall.
It's fall.
I need a woman around.
joe rogan
Yeah?
ali macofsky
Yeah, but I don't know.
There's like a disconnect.
I get really weird in intimate situations.
So I'm like, am I gay or do I just like get uncomfortable around everyone?
joe rogan
Hmm.
ali macofsky
Also, when I was growing up, everyone would call me a lesbian.
And so, growing up, I was like, I'm a lesbian.
Everyone already knows this.
They've told me I'm a lesbian.
My sisters.
They're like seven and five years older than me.
joe rogan
How did they say it?
ali macofsky
Well, okay.
So I had really hairy legs growing up because my dad's like Russian and, you know, all that.
So I just have like thick, dark leg hair that came in early.
And so my sisters are like, oh, you know, back then everyone calls everything like gay and stuff.
And they were like growing up.
joe rogan
Back then?
You're fucking 12 years old.
You're talking about a couple weeks ago.
ali macofsky
I was in like third grade.
So I was like six or seven.
Okay.
joe rogan
You just didn't shave your legs?
ali macofsky
No, because I was in the third...
joe rogan
When did kids shave their legs?
ali macofsky
I started in third grade because my sisters called me a lesbian and stuff.
joe rogan
So you had to shave your legs?
ali macofsky
Yeah, because they were making it sound like it was a bad thing.
joe rogan
To be a lesbian?
ali macofsky
Yeah.
My sisters are going to fucking hate this.
They're good people, but they were like, you know...
joe rogan
Back then they weren't.
ali macofsky
Back then they weren't.
They've grown, yeah.
joe rogan
So they would just give you a hard time.
ali macofsky
Yeah, they were just being big sisters, giving me a hard time, and so then I took it very personally and seriously.
joe rogan
The leg hair thing is very strange.
If you just stop and think about it, guys don't have to do jack shit about their leg hair.
unidentified
No.
joe rogan
And no one cares.
ali macofsky
No one gives a fuck.
joe rogan
But girls...
ali macofsky
And no one talks about...
Guys...
joe rogan
Look at this.
ali macofsky
This is how you know I'm about to say some real shit.
Guys always talk crap about girls not being kept up down there and shaved or whatever these guys my age are into.
They want Mr. Clean down in the pants, you know?
joe rogan
They want your bush trimmed.
ali macofsky
Yeah.
They want it bald.
They want a bald eagle.
But then they have the nastiest balls and girls are like, oh, it'd be an honor to give you a blowjob.
That shit's disgusting.
It's different hair than your regular hair.
It's thick.
I didn't even know that balls change texture in different weather.
unidentified
What?
ali macofsky
Yeah, like the skin.
joe rogan
Changes texture?
ali macofsky
Kind of.
It looks like an alien.
Jamie knows what I'm talking about.
joe rogan
Jamie, do your balls change texture in different weather?
ali macofsky
Jamie, Jamie, stay on my side.
jamie vernon
That guy we saw with Tom Segura had a little different texture.
joe rogan
Oh, yeah, that was rough.
jamie vernon
It's a unique situation.
joe rogan
The guy with the giant balls?
ali macofsky
I haven't seen this.
joe rogan
Just some sad thing, but the guys have...
ali macofsky
Like elephantitis?
joe rogan
Yeah, he had...
It's a...
Not common, but common enough where there's multiple examples of it where guys have enormous beach ball-sized testicles and they can barely get around.
ali macofsky
It's a shame that there's no...
Like when girls have giant tits, it's like, hell yes.
There needs to be a movement for men who have giant balls.
Yeah, like Instagram photos of their balls on the beach.
joe rogan
You don't understand how big these are.
ali macofsky
Like massive?
joe rogan
Yeah, you can't walk.
ali macofsky
What does he wear, skirts?
joe rogan
Yeah, he has to wear like a skirt.
unidentified
Like a kilt?
joe rogan
Yeah, and they have to cover, he has to cover his balls with like a tarp and like while he was eating his balls were out and on YouTube apparently because it's like not sexy at all, you're allowed to show that guy's balls.
ali macofsky
Well, they probably don't even register his balls for YouTube.
Like whoever has to scan the videos is like who's to say what this is.
joe rogan
It's like a medical condition more than his balls.
Whereas like if Jamie had his balls out of his pants.
ali macofsky
He does!
Have you looked over there?
joe rogan
My friend Tom, when we were kids, used to do this thing called sack walkin'.
ali macofsky
You'd put him up above the belt?
joe rogan
No.
He would open his zipper, pull his sack out, and tuck his...
His cock would still be in his pants, but his balls would be out.
He'd call it sack walkin'.
He would just walk around and at a party.
He'd have a drink, his balls were out, he'd call it sack walkin'.
You know.
jamie vernon
A little tougher with that.
joe rogan
That's that guy's balls.
ali macofsky
Oh, wow!
See, weird texture.
joe rogan
Well, when you see the actual texture, you can see the actual texture.
Because in the YouTube video, they actually show the sack.
They'll allow you to see.
jamie vernon
There's a lot of things going on.
There you go.
joe rogan
Yeah, see?
Look at that.
ali macofsky
Yum!
joe rogan
You're allowed to look at it.
ali macofsky
Yum!
Looks like a peach pit.
joe rogan
And this poor bastard actually has a one-inch dick, too.
Which is just...
ali macofsky
Is it actually one inches or in like...
joe rogan
That's what he says.
He says he has a one inch penis.
So, Mother Nature just gave him the shittiest deck of cards ever.
ali macofsky
Yeah.
joe rogan
Here's your hand.
Good luck.
unidentified
Your hand of cards.
ali macofsky
Oh, yeah.
joe rogan
Yeah, you got a one.
ali macofsky
Do you ever watch my 600 pound life?
joe rogan
I've watched a little bit of it.
unidentified
Oh, I love it.
joe rogan
Do you?
ali macofsky
Yeah.
joe rogan
Why?
ali macofsky
Because I relate in some ways.
joe rogan
In what way?
You're not 600 pounds.
ali macofsky
Just in the compulsion and the feeling that food gives me.
I went to Cracker Barrel for the first time.
joe rogan
Congratulations.
ali macofsky
Have you been?
joe rogan
Of course I have.
ali macofsky
It was so good.
And they brought out this plate of biscuits and gravy and I was like blushing.
Like I was like smirking and giddy and like so excited.
joe rogan
You were blushing?
ali macofsky
I was blushing.
joe rogan
Okay.
ali macofsky
And I just, yeah, when I have a plate in front of me, there's no part of my brain that goes, you've had enough, you don't need to finish all of this.
joe rogan
Of course you got the baggy clothes too, so don't worry about it.
ali macofsky
Exactly, I can walk out unscathed.
Be wheeled out soon.
But yeah, I love those shows.
joe rogan
Why do you like those shows?
Do you feel like maybe you're okay because they're more fucked up than you?
ali macofsky
No, it's like a hand guide of what to do in 15 years.
I'm like, okay, so get a partner who will wash under my boob crevice.
joe rogan
Oh, okay.
ali macofsky
They always have very loyal partners.
joe rogan
You have to have if you're going to be 600 fucking pounds.
ali macofsky
Yeah.
joe rogan
But there's got to be some weird codependency shit there.
ali macofsky
Oh, 100%.
joe rogan
There was one story about this, I think it was a lady, who had melted into the couch, like the fibers of her body had intertwined with the couch because she hadn't gotten off the couch in so long.
And I don't know how she shit and pissed, but it probably wasn't nice.
ali macofsky
I know, at the beginning of COVID, I was like, I'm more worried about getting bed sores than COVID. I'm just lounging.
joe rogan
Is that what you did?
ali macofsky
Yeah, when I was at my mom's house, I was hoping that it would be done sooner, so I was like, I'll just pretend I'm at Coachella.
I was tanning in the backyard, listening to EDM music, going crazy, and then once I realized that it was going to be longer, I was like, I've got to get out of this lady's house.
joe rogan
Yeah, a lot of people thought it was going to be a two-week deal.
Like they said, remember?
We're just going to close everything down for two weeks.
ali macofsky
Meanwhile, California, a year later, Yeah, I mean, if we were, if the U.S. was smaller, like a place like New Zealand, that could have, you know, been helpful, but we're just too big.
joe rogan
Well, it's not just that it's smaller.
New Zealand's completely isolated.
New Zealand has very strict immigration policies.
They're pretty, and the way they handle COVID, I mean, is super successful.
There's only four plus million people in the whole island.
It's a fucking great place.
ali macofsky
I know, I want to go so bad.
joe rogan
That's a good spot to escape.
Good spot to run to.
ali macofsky
When's the last time you've been?
joe rogan
Never.
Never been to New Zealand.
I've done Australia.
I love Australia.
But Australia is much different.
You know, Australia is...
New Zealand, there's a lot of New Zealand that's just like rich and green and lush.
ali macofsky
Have you seen Hunt for the Wilder People?
unidentified
Nope.
ali macofsky
Oh my, it's one of Taika Waititi's movies.
Do you know the dude?
He's now doing like the Avengers or Marvel or something.
joe rogan
No, I don't know who that is.
ali macofsky
He's great.
I love him, but he has this movie called Hunt for the Wilder People.
And when it came out, I was working at Arclight, the movie theater at the time.
And so I saw it in theaters like five times, but it all takes place in New Zealand.
Oh, I love this movie so much.
joe rogan
So this is fiction.
ali macofsky
It's fiction, yeah.
That kid on the right is so funny.
joe rogan
How have I not heard of this?
ali macofsky
It's such a beautiful and funny movie.
joe rogan
Have you heard of it, Jamie?
jamie vernon
No, but I believe he's the one who jumped on your side of the Apple keyboard debate a couple months ago.
joe rogan
Oh, because I said that Apple keyboards suck?
jamie vernon
Yeah, he did Jojo Rabbit, I think.
ali macofsky
Yeah, he did Jojo Rabbit!
joe rogan
Who?
The writer?
The writer did.
ali macofsky
And he did like what they do in the shadows?
joe rogan
They have the worst fucking keyboards of all time.
The new one's terrible.
Why do you think so?
I have the 2015 MacBook, the same one that you have there.
It's vastly superior to type on.
jamie vernon
I'm not getting rid of it.
It has a 256 gigabyte hard drive.
I can't really use it, but I can type on it really fast.
joe rogan
You can get them upgraded.
There's a company that upgrades them, and that's what I did.
I bought one that's from, I bought it like a year ago, from 2016, and they put a new processor in it, they put a new solid state hard drive in it, and it has the 2015 keyboard.
I don't know why these dummies just keep making these things that are shit to type on, and then they appeal to creative people.
Everything is about design.
They just want the sleekest, thinnest.
But meanwhile, Lenovo has figured it out.
They have their ThinkPad X1 Carbon.
They have this really light, and they have a new one that's even smaller.
It's like the Nano or something like that.
What a great fucking keyboard.
And it weighs nothing.
And it's this tiny, thin little thing, and it's super easy to type on.
And each key is curved, so your fingers fit in it much easier.
Where Apple wants flat keyboards, it makes you so much less accurate.
It's just a shit experience to type on.
ali macofsky
I got a MacBook for Christmas this past year.
I cried.
I was so happy.
And then I opened the camera to do like, you know, zooms and stuff.
And the camera quality on my college MacBook from 2013 is so much better than the new MacBooks.
unidentified
What?
ali macofsky
That doesn't make sense.
Yeah, it looks blurry.
It looks like I'm in an ISIS hostage video.
unidentified
Did you ever try to clean it?
ali macofsky
It has nothing to do with the cleanliness.
joe rogan
What?
unidentified
Yeah.
jamie vernon
Did you take the sticker off?
ali macofsky
Yeah, everything's off.
It's not me, I swear.
joe rogan
I think you got a dud because that's one thing they're really good at.
The camera quality is excellent.
ali macofsky
My camera quality is awful.
joe rogan
It's a new one?
ali macofsky
It's a brand new one.
joe rogan
It's probably broken.
Right?
My brand?
Yeah, it sounds crazy.
ali macofsky
What's his name?
Tim Cook?
Tim Cook?
jamie vernon
Yeah.
Tim Apple.
ali macofsky
Tim Apple.
joe rogan
That's what Trump called him.
ali macofsky
Tim Apple?
joe rogan
Yeah.
ali macofsky
Oh, that guy.
joe rogan
Yeah, I've used mine for Zooms and shit.
ali macofsky
You doing Zoom comedy shows, Joe?
joe rogan
No, to talk to people.
Just to talk to people.
You didn't do any of those, did you?
ali macofsky
Yeah, of course I did, Joe.
We're at different levels, man.
I gotta stay alive.
joe rogan
Just fucking go out in the street and just start talking to people.
You'd be better off.
Hey, let me tell you about my day.
ali macofsky
Hey, you wanna hear about my pussy?
They're like, we're trying to get coffee.
I'm like, I gotta perform.
I gotta tell these to someone.
joe rogan
But it is weird that guys don't have to shave their legs, right?
Where do you think that came from?
When did girls start shaving their legs?
What year do you think?
When did the deception begin?
When did they decide...
What do you think is happening?
Do you think people are just trying to become more sleek and less alien?
ali macofsky
I'm pretty sure guys just want dolphins.
joe rogan
I mean, less animal, rather.
ali macofsky
I think guys want dolphins, just soft little mammals.
unidentified
That's not what it is.
ali macofsky
They want something.
unidentified
I don't know.
joe rogan
I think they want, like, a person...
They want, like, smooth, soft skin without the hair for whatever reason.
But men, it's okay to be hairy because it's okay for a guy to be a beast, right?
But it's not okay for...
Like, women are supposed...
What is that?
Like, why the disparity?
ali macofsky
Misogyny?
joe rogan
I don't think it's that.
Because misogyny, that means hate.
ali macofsky
Does it?
joe rogan
Yes.
Misogyny means you don't like women.
ali macofsky
I don't think it's that.
You know how gay dudes, before they come out or when they come out, there's internalized homophobia?
that it's not like they hate gay people, but because they grew up in a society where it's not as common or acceptable or whatever, or your sisters bully you because they think you're a lesbian when you're like seven.
It's not things that people think are hateful, but just this subconscious, like, I'm a man, I have hair, that's what's strong.
Women, they're supposed to be soft and perfect and in the image of what I want them to be.
It could just be internalized.
joe rogan
Yeah, but women love it too.
It's very rare that women fight that.
ali macofsky
I think, well, I grew out my armpit hair for a little bit during COVID. Was that during the lesbian period?
It was a lesbian, yeah.
joe rogan
You're allowed, right?
ali macofsky
Yeah.
And I enjoyed it, but then I get self-conscious because I'm like, if dudes look at this, they're going to think I'm like dirty or like manly or something.
joe rogan
Right, but a guy with armpit hair, no problem at all.
ali macofsky
No problem.
And it gets all, the guys, the deodorant gets all stuck on the armpit hair.
Guys should start waxing.
unidentified
Mm.
joe rogan
Would you do it?
No.
It's weird that it's universal.
ali macofsky
That's what's weird.
unidentified
See, why not?
joe rogan
Why not what?
ali macofsky
Why wouldn't you wax your armpits?
joe rogan
Because I don't want to.
ali macofsky
Okay.
joe rogan
Why would I? I've lived 53 fucking years without waxing my armpits.
Why start now?
ali macofsky
It hurts.
joe rogan
Who the fuck am I trying to impress?
I'm sure it does.
Do you wax your armpits?
Is that what you're saying?
ali macofsky
I did it for the first time because normally I just shave.
joe rogan
Why'd you stop shaving them?
ali macofsky
Because I have a friend in Arizona who waxes, so I was growing them out.
I was like, might as well.
And it hurt way worse than getting a coochie wax.
joe rogan
Really?
ali macofsky
Oh, yeah.
joe rogan
So your armpit's more sensitive than your cooter?
ali macofsky
Yeah.
joe rogan
That's not good.
ali macofsky
Nuh-uh.
joe rogan
Hmm.
ali macofsky
Yeah, I don't know what that was, but it hurt.
jamie vernon
Quick research says this is marketing from the early 1900s.
It didn't even happen really before that.
unidentified
Really?
jamie vernon
Yeah.
joe rogan
That's when they started shaving the leg?
jamie vernon
They had liquid stock because they were calling it back in the 1920s and 30s and 40s.
joe rogan
Liquid stock?
Well, you know, they did a lot of terrible shit to women back then.
That's when, you remember that, um, the radioactive paint?
What is that called again?
Where girls would, uh, they were working on like watches and all sorts of things that had, uh, radio something.
And it would literally...
They didn't know what the effects were of the stuff at the time.
And it was literally rotting through people's faces and girls...
jamie vernon
Radium girls.
joe rogan
Radium, that's right.
And they had like holes.
It's horrific.
It is so sad.
Because their job was to use this paint and use it for clocks.
And like the early watches, like some watches, like the hour, you know, indicators have loom on them.
unidentified
Yeah.
joe rogan
So in the daytime...
It charges up and then at night time they glow like that.
ali macofsky
I like those.
joe rogan
Those are cool.
But that's the original.
It was radium.
And these girls were working with this very closely to paint these watches and they would lick the brush and dip it in there so they're getting this stuff and their tongues would rot off.
They would get holes in their faces.
They couldn't figure out what was causing it.
It took...
A long time for them to realize.
ali macofsky
So the effects weren't happening right away.
unidentified
Right.
joe rogan
Because it's radiation poisoning.
So this stuff, radium, is radioactive, which is why it glows in the dark.
unidentified
Damn.
joe rogan
Yeah.
And then there's some stuff they use now.
The radium girls were factory workers who died of radiation poisoning painting which objects with radioactive paint.
Why is it a question?
ali macofsky
What is watches?
joe rogan
Yeah, so these poor ladies, if you see the girls with the...
Look at that one.
She's got this giant fucking growth in the bottom of her face.
If you go to radium girls' injuries or tumors, it's horrific.
Scroll down.
I'm sure they have some images of it.
It's really sad, though.
Really sad.
Because this had never happened before.
And I think it was the 1920s.
ali macofsky
So is that like the job when the men were at war?
Women were making watches?
joe rogan
Well, was that World War I? When did World War I end?
unidentified
19...
jamie vernon
somewhere around the 40s.
I just listened to Smedley Butler's book yesterday, so he was talking about all this.
Right after the big war, the great war to end all wars.
Profits for a lot of these companies jumped, skyrocketed.
Metal, leather, paint for watches, everything.
joe rogan
Smedley Butler, I think he wrote that in the 30s.
War is just a racket.
ali macofsky
I like that name.
joe rogan
You should read that book.
It's terrifying.
Because it just shows you that this guy who was a loyal Marine and a soldier and who had...
You know, been to war and had realized later in his life that he had risked his life for bankers and to make industry available in certain countries and that he had been lied to.
And he wrote a book called War is Just a Racket.
And it's an amazing book because if you look at what he wrote in 19...
I want to say it's 37. When did that come out?
35. 35. If you look at what he wrote in 1935, it's applicable today all around the world.
Like what this guy was trying to expose about the real motivations, why politicians lead soldiers into war.
Very little of it is about your safety and your health.
I mean, occasionally it is, like World War II, which is kind of ironic, because World War II is right after he wrote this, whereas a war where we actually really did need to stop Hitler.
But this guy wrote this book, and it just shows how many military actions are not just unnecessary, but deceptive.
ali macofsky
Yeah.
joe rogan
And this guy realized it later in his life.
Wasn't he a three-star general or something like that?
jamie vernon
Retired Marine, two-time Medal of Honor recipient.
joe rogan
Yeah.
So he was a decorated soldier.
And as he was an old man, he was like, Jesus Christ, what have I done?
ali macofsky
That's crazy to do something thinking that...
joe rogan
What's really crazy is that no one else did it and that he was really like the first person to publish something that became, you know, a popular piece of work where the average person like myself or you who doesn't really know that much about war could read about it and go, holy shit.
Like, this is what was really going on.
That they were just making things safe for bankers, or they're clearing, you know, a way to get to natural resources.
ali macofsky
I think that's why there's so much, like, distrust in government and stuff now, because there's so many things that we realize later on, like, why was that so necessary?
joe rogan
Well, not only that, I mean, you're seeing it with this administration where they're doing the same things that Trump was doing.
They're just pretending they're not.
ali macofsky
They're just wearing cute jackets.
joe rogan
Well, it's just the same fucking thing.
The whole thing was like the kids at the border.
We've got to stop these families at the border, this detention at the border, putting people in cages.
They're doing the same fucking thing.
And then Ted Cruz went down there to try to film it, and they were asking him to stop filming, like, this Biden employee's like, stop filming, stop filming, sir, please, have some respect.
He's like, this is, like, you can't just make rules, like, that we can't film now.
And that's how you're going to stop people from talking about this, that nothing's changed.
Because they were pretending that Trump was doing this, and that it was all Trump's fault.
Well, no, it's...
The border is crazy and porous.
And now that Trump's not in office, they think it's more friendly because Biden's there.
So more people are coming through.
And a lot of them have Biden t-shirts on.
Have you seen that?
unidentified
No.
joe rogan
Where they get detained.
Yeah.
Like dozens and dozens of them.
ali macofsky
Like they're going to a Biden concert.
joe rogan
Like they're going to a Biden rally.
unidentified
We bought the merch.
ali macofsky
We love you.
joe rogan
Yes, exactly.
ali macofsky
Help us.
joe rogan
You've never seen it?
You should see it.
It's crazy.
So they're coming to the border wall with Biden shirts on.
And so they've resumed construction of the border wall, if you know that.
So this administration was like, we're not going to do what the past administration did.
Yeah, you are.
ali macofsky
But is this wall going to be huge?
unidentified
Huge.
joe rogan
Did that land?
Look at this.
jamie vernon
Please let us in.
joe rogan
Yeah.
Biden, please let us in.
Look at this.
Who's giving him those fucking shirts?
Probably the cartel.
They probably all have a pound of coke in their ass.
Weird, right?
ali macofsky
Yeah.
joe rogan
It's just a weird...
You know what's even weirder?
I was talking to a friend of mine, and he's much more knowledgeable about this.
He goes, you know, listen, man.
He goes, the bottom of Mexico, those other South American countries, they're trying to get into Mexico, and the Mexicans don't want them coming into Mexico.
And then you got Mexicans that are trying to get into America, and there's Americans that don't want them in America.
It's like, they're doing it too.
If you go down to Honduras, and Honduras into Mexico, they're like, hey, we have enough.
Literally, it's happening every step of the way up to America.
ali macofsky
Yeah, that's crazy.
I don't, yeah, I don't know much about that stuff.
joe rogan
You don't pay attention that shit?
ali macofsky
Well, I just feel like it becomes too, like, sided.
Like, we're, it's scary to talk about politics, because it can become so, like, if you say one thing that's not with, you know, some sort of, like, if it's not in an infographic on Instagram, then it's wrong, and it's all very, like, this way or that way.
So I try and stay somewhat informed, but...
It just feels very exhausting nowadays.
joe rogan
What do you mean by if it's on an infograph?
ali macofsky
Like, I'm on very, like, super hyper woke Instagram, you know?
joe rogan
You are?
ali macofsky
A lot of, yeah, a lot of my friends post a lot of like, you know, woke shit, which, you know.
joe rogan
Do you yell at them for that?
ali macofsky
I scroll past it.
I read it.
It's got shiny letters and a nice font.
So I'm like, oh, this is pretty.
But it's very extreme where it's like, you're either all in or you're all out.
And I'm like, I don't...
joe rogan
It's a bunch of people trying to control people.
That's what it is mostly.
The idea is wonderful.
That we should all be inclusive and nice and kind and caring.
And I agree to that wholeheartedly.
But a lot of people use woke ideology as an excuse to be an asshole.
ali macofsky
Oh, yeah.
joe rogan
To people who don't think the way you think.
So you have like a lot of really aggressive, shitty guys that jump on the woke movement and use it as an excuse to vent out their cuntiness on other people.
And it's usually these...
They're usually not very successful.
They usually have terrible relationships.
They're like really volatile, angry people.
And they found the wokeness as like a path to righteousness.
This is the way they can feel good about screaming at people.
So they'll scream about people and call them racist or homophobic or transphobic or whatever it is, whatever phobia or ist they can figure out a way to call you.
And that's their legitimate outlet.
ali macofsky
Their badge of honor.
joe rogan
But it's a legitimate outlet for their shittiness.
It's like they found a...
Instead of going...
Is this really what's going on here?
Maybe I should look at this open-mindedly.
Maybe I should be objective and compassionate.
Maybe I should just really actually try to spread kindness.
Just try to be a nice person.
Nope.
That's not what it is.
What wokeness is, is like any other cult.
It's any other ideology.
It comes along and then there's a lot of good intentions.
There's a lot of good thoughts behind it, but then a bunch of assholes adopt it.
And those assholes use it for their own betterment.
ali macofsky
Yeah, and it's a lot of like a different end of the same token where it's like it's kind of the same rhetoric and way of going about things as people who are on the complete opposite end of the spectrum who are very hateful.
It's funny because they're preaching acceptance and then canceling people for anything they can think of.
joe rogan
Yes, real or imagined.
ali macofsky
Which is scary because I want to be a good person and then it's like hard because I'm like am I being the right kind of good person for these people?
joe rogan
Well you are for now but the problem is five years from now it could be radically different.
And then you can get cancelled for some shit you said now when it was acceptable.
Look, we all are kind of following a hive mind, right?
And there's extremes on the right and there's extremes on the left.
But when you get to the really radical, shitty people on the right or the really radical, shitty people on the left, what they share in common is their adherence to a pattern.
And the pattern doesn't have to be logical, it's just very tribal.
Like, whoever's on that other side is a piece of shit.
And, you know, they'll find reasons why that person's a piece of shit.
Whether it's a person who's a left-wing person, that lefty, communist, Marxist, socialist piece of shit, they want to fucking ruin this country in this...
Or they go the other way.
They're on the left and they'll find reasons why people on the right are racist, sexist, homophobic, and this and that.
And they'll scream out Black Lives Matter at the top of their lungs.
What are they really doing?
What they're really doing is they're adhering to an ideology.
And they're rigidly doing it and they're using it as a portal to channel their cuntiness.
And they're both sides, left and right.
They're the same kind of people.
They just picked a team.
ali macofsky
It's hard because there's no room when that's your whole thing is being super one-sided.
Either way, it leaves no room for growth or change.
joe rogan
They're not trying to grow and change.
ali macofsky
Exactly.
joe rogan
They're just trying to get the rocks off.
ali macofsky
Yeah.
joe rogan
That's what a lot of it is.
ali macofsky
Yeah.
joe rogan
It's a weird time because of the social media movement, because so many people are communicating online, these weird little clips of text, weird little blurbs, and they're just waiting to see how people respond to those blurbs.
So it's like the shittiest way of communicating is not just...
writing little tiny you know 140 280 character bursts it's like the worst way to communicate little bursts of text because so much is missing you know it's not even though like a long article even articles are kind of a shitty way of communicating because you get to write it without anybody going well that's not true because this and that's not true because of that And the reason why you're saying that is, well, what about your own thing?
Are you looking at it because of your biases?
You know, there's no back and forth, which is the way humans are really supposed to express themselves.
ali macofsky
Yeah, and there's no room for nuance.
Everything can be very black and white and there's no room for gray area of like, yeah, I mean this, this is what I'm saying, I mean it, but I mean it in the context of this.
Everything can be taken out of context, which is, you know, hard and...
And people hold you to your words and what you say and don't let you form new opinions or beliefs based on what you've learned later on.
joe rogan
Because they're not trying to find out what you really think.
They're just trying to catch you.
They're just trying to play gotcha.
They're just trying to say, oh, Allie, you said this.
You called yourself a dyke one time.
Well, that's fucked up.
You're a fucking, you know, and then they get mad at you and you're like, hey, hey, hey, I was joking.
ali macofsky
It was September.
It was the season for me to be a dyke.
Yeah.
joe rogan
I spell it with a Y. It's fine.
ali macofsky
Yeah, I put an X in there somewhere, so it's inclusive.
joe rogan
I was talking to this lady, her name was Karen.
I said, does all this Karen shit bother you?
She goes, no, I spell it different.
With a C? I go, what the fuck does that mean?
No, it's K-A-R-Y-N, she said.
I go, listen, nobody knows how the fuck you spell it.
ali macofsky
You're not wearing a name badge, though.
joe rogan
People call it Karen.
You're being a Karen.
They don't say, oh, you're being a K-A-R-E-N. You're not being a K-A-R-Y-N. Those women are amazing.
ali macofsky
Yeah, what a tough time for Karens.
joe rogan
Terrible time for Karens.
ali macofsky
But there are a lot of them.
joe rogan
Well, which kind?
You mean the cunty kind?
Or like a woman just named Karen?
ali macofsky
The cunty kind.
I'm sure there's sweet Karens.
joe rogan
We need one for men.
ali macofsky
Chad?
joe rogan
But that's not right.
There's a lot of Chad's like really good guys.
The guy who's the director of John Wick.
I can never say his last name because it's a complicated last name.
How do you say his last name?
Soslowski.
How do you say it?
ali macofsky
Is he Russian?
Polish?
joe rogan
That's a good question.
ali macofsky
Probably Russian.
joe rogan
It's a complicated name, though.
ali macofsky
You did the 23andMe thing, right?
unidentified
Soslowski.
joe rogan
Seleski.
Yeah.
Hell of a director.
Strange name.
But he's a Chad.
He's a good Chad.
There's a lot of Chads that are good.
ali macofsky
Yeah.
joe rogan
Chad Ward, my friend.
He's a barbecue chef.
ali macofsky
Is he out here?
joe rogan
No, he is...
Where the fuck is Chad?
ali macofsky
Do you go out a lot over here?
I do.
Are you able to go out and just enjoy yourself?
joe rogan
I just live my life.
unidentified
Okay, good.
joe rogan
Young Allie Makovsky.
ali macofsky
I don't know what your life looks like.
joe rogan
It's a little odd, but yeah, I just live my life.
ali macofsky
That's cool.
joe rogan
People are cool here.
ali macofsky
Yeah, they are.
They're very cool.
That's what I like.
It's fun out here, because you'll just see the most random group of people hanging out.
It feels like what we were just talking about.
It's a very social town, and everyone's kind of buddies with each other, and there's a feeling that you're home, even if you've never been here.
joe rogan
Yeah.
What did Matthew McConaughey say?
ali macofsky
All right, all right.
joe rogan
The way he described it?
No, he said, he goes, no one here is too good, and everyone's good enough.
ali macofsky
I love that.
joe rogan
That's such a Matthew McConaughey thing to say.
ali macofsky
I love Matty.
Matty Mac.
joe rogan
That's such a Matthew McConaughey thing to say.
He'll be president someday.
ali macofsky
Yeah.
joe rogan
If someone doesn't come along and trip him.
ali macofsky
He's so cool.
I want to read his book.
joe rogan
Well, then read it.
ali macofsky
My boyfriend has it.
joe rogan
If you want to read it, why don't you read it?
ali macofsky
I'm going to.
joe rogan
Why don't you steal it from your boyfriend?
Say, if you love me, you'll give me the book.
ali macofsky
Give me the book, bitch.
joe rogan
Do you guys say love?
Do you say love?
ali macofsky
I said it.
joe rogan
Woo!
Why do you say it like that with a grimace?
ali macofsky
Because it's just scary.
joe rogan
Ooh.
Yeah.
That's the only way to find out if he loves you back or if he's a liar.
ali macofsky
He's a sweetie.
He's a sweetie.
joe rogan
I'm sure he is.
ali macofsky
Yeah.
joe rogan
Yeah.
What do you think about famous people becoming president like that?
ali macofsky
I think anything is possible nowadays.
People are willing to vote anyone in.
joe rogan
They've been willing to vote anyone in for a long time.
It's just people haven't done it, other than Reagan.
ali macofsky
Was Reagan voted in?
joe rogan
What did you think?
How did you think he became president?
ali macofsky
Well, no, I mean, like, no, no.
I'm not that dumb.
I'm pretty dumb, but I'm not that dumb.
I mean, like, the way that Kanye wasn't on the ballot in most places.
joe rogan
No, Reagan was the governor of California, and then he became the president of the United States.
ali macofsky
But he ran for president, right?
joe rogan
Reagan was the fucking president for two terms.
ali macofsky
I know that he was the president.
joe rogan
What do you mean by he ran for president?
That's how you become president.
ali macofsky
No, but you know how some people get voted in, like they're not on the ballot.
joe rogan
Do you want me to forget we talked about this?
ali macofsky
We can edit it out.
We can edit it out.
joe rogan
No, he was actually on the ballot.
ali macofsky
Yeah, okay.
joe rogan
He was the governor of California.
ali macofsky
I thought you meant that people wrote his name because they loved him so much as governor.
joe rogan
No, what I meant is that he was an actor.
ali macofsky
Yes.
joe rogan
And a famous guy.
ali macofsky
Westerns, right?
joe rogan
He did a lot of movies.
One of his famous ones, he did a movie with a chimp in the 1950s.
Bedtime for Bongo.
Bonzo or Bongo?
Yeah, it was him and a chimp were palling around together.
jamie vernon
Bonzo.
joe rogan
Bonzo.
1951. Yeah.
Yeah, Reagan was like a young, sort of like a dragnet-style heartthrob back in the day.
ali macofsky
I feel like nowadays people would vote for Bonzo to be president.
joe rogan
Probably for fun.
ali macofsky
100%.
joe rogan
Let's see.
ali macofsky
I think after that Harambe...
Didn't people vote in for Harambe the year that there was that...
joe rogan
See how little that chimp is?
ali macofsky
That's because it's a baby.
Chimps are so cute.
Have you ever held one?
joe rogan
Yeah.
But you have to...
The only way they'll work with someone like that, they have to be babies.
You can't have a grown chimp.
Grown chimps will just beat the shit out of you.
We were on the set of news radio, and they had a baby chimp like that.
And it was a baby.
It had a diaper on and everything.
And it climbed on me like I was holding it.
And it climbed on my back and went...
Just beat me in the back, and I was like, holy shit!
Like, a tiny little thing.
You know, like, probably 30, 40 pounds.
I couldn't believe how hard it was hitting me.
I was like, fuck!
ali macofsky
That's crazy.
joe rogan
And they feel different.
They feel like they're made out of this table.
Like, their muscles.
Like, it's like, when you touch them, you go like, oh, I'm like a fucking water balloon compared to that.
Like, your body is so mushy and soft compared to a chimp.
ali macofsky
Yeah.
joe rogan
They're a real weird feeling.
ali macofsky
I like chimps and stuff.
jamie vernon
This is viral video.
Oh, it's cute.
joe rogan
Yeah, it's adorable.
Look at this.
ali macofsky
It barely has to try.
joe rogan
Yeah, it just hoists him up.
unidentified
Oh, wow.
joe rogan
Look at that.
And then watch this fist bump at the end.
He goes, fist bump.
unidentified
Oh!
joe rogan
How cool is that?
ali macofsky
Oh, it's so cute.
joe rogan
That's pretty dope.
That's a grown chimp.
ali macofsky
Yeah.
joe rogan
Must have a good relationship with it.
ali macofsky
You know what animal I love?
joe rogan
What?
ali macofsky
Goats.
joe rogan
Why do you love goats?
ali macofsky
I want a goat.
I want to get, when I make it, I want a backyard and I want to have a goat.
joe rogan
Wow.
ali macofsky
They're so cute and they're friendly and they just hang out.
joe rogan
You want a backyard and a goat.
ali macofsky
Yep.
That's what I want.
joe rogan
There's a coffee place down here called Civil Goat.
Is that what it's called?
Yeah.
And there's a goat that hangs out on the porch and it'll walk up to you and just kind of fucking headbutt you.
ali macofsky
Really?
joe rogan
Yeah, it's weird.
The goat will walk up to you and like butt you in the legs and you're like, hey buddy, how you doing?
But he's not being an asshole.
It's just kind of like that's what they do.
They just run into things with their head.
ali macofsky
Yeah.
joe rogan
And you kind of rub his head.
They're adorable.
And they're like, don't let the goat inside.
Because if you let the goat inside, they'll just like fucking eat everybody's food.
ali macofsky
Jump on everything.
Yeah.
Paper napkins.
All of it.
joe rogan
They're odd animals.
ali macofsky
Yeah.
joe rogan
I knew a dude who had some goats.
And he got goats for his backyard in Topanga.
And they had like this big piece of land.
And they said, oh, you know what we'll do?
We'll get the goats.
And the goats will clean all the brush.
unidentified
Yeah.
joe rogan
Well, the goats fucking ate everything.
So they're like, we gotta get rid of these fucking goats.
So these crazy assholes just took the goats and just dropped them off on the side somewhere.
And then people knew that they had goats.
So people started asking around, like, did somebody let their fucking goats just loose in Topanga?
And then they contacted them and said, hey, asshole, come get your goats.
ali macofsky
That's so messed up.
Just loose goats and Topanga?
joe rogan
I think the way they thought of it was like the goats will most certainly be able to feed themselves because they just eat whatever.
They eat brush.
And if they get hit by a car, they're not really into those goats anyway.
Which is sad.
ali macofsky
That is sad.
I would hate to see that.
Have you ever, like, ran into an animal?
Like, dragon?
joe rogan
Squirrel.
Nothing big.
ali macofsky
Did you feel bad?
joe rogan
Yeah.
ali macofsky
I am.
joe rogan
Saw him in the back.
Like, as you passed, you see him bucking and twisting.
I've never hit a deer though, knock on wood, because I've seen a lot of them, especially out here.
ali macofsky
That can be super dangerous, right?
joe rogan
Oh yeah.
My friend Cam, a guy in his town, died because he didn't hit the deer.
The guy in front of him hit the deer.
This is what's crazy.
The guy in front of him hit the deer.
The deer went up in the air and his car was driving behind the car and the deer went through his windshield and killed him.
Yeah.
Fuck.
ali macofsky
Death by deer.
joe rogan
When death decides it's your time, the way you die can be just the most fucked up way.
Imagine you're just driving home, just went out to get a half gallon of orange juice or whatever.
ali macofsky
It's always so heartbreaking, like just unexpected ones like that.
Yeah, it makes me so sad.
joe rogan
People die from that all the time.
They die from...
I've seen some crazy pictures online, too, of what happens when someone hits a car with a deer, where the deer goes through the windshield and the inside of the car is just a Jackson Pollock splatter painting of guts and blood.
Because when they hit the car, their body's falling apart and they go through the windshield and everything just bursts.
And the inside of the car was just all guts and meat.
ali macofsky
Speaking of, I had my first deer.
joe rogan
Oh, you ate your first deer?
ali macofsky
I ate my first deer.
joe rogan
Out here?
ali macofsky
No.
At home, my cousin Johnny and his brother Michael, they go shooting or archering.
joe rogan
Archering?
ali macofsky
Archering.
joe rogan
They do bow and arrow?
ali macofsky
Yeah, they do bow and arrow.
joe rogan
Yeah?
Where at?
unidentified
Where'd they go?
ali macofsky
I think in Arizona, like Flagstaff or something like that.
joe rogan
How was it?
ali macofsky
Gamey.
joe rogan
Oh, they probably didn't take care of it, right?
ali macofsky
I mean, they...
You didn't like it?
It's just like when you're not used to tasting something like that, it's just weird.
Like, I imagine if I was back in the olden days and I was like, mmm, venison me up.
It would have been great, but...
joe rogan
Well, a lot of it is how the meat is prepared and how it's kept after you kill the animal.
Because you've got to keep it cool.
ali macofsky
They have it in like a freezer.
joe rogan
That's not what I mean.
I mean, once you kill the animal, like from then on, you have to cool it off as quickly as possible.
And if you don't do that, it can kind of spoil the meat and get a weird taste to it.
And there's also a gland in the animal's legs called the tarsal gland.
And if that gland gets cut or nicked during the butchering process, Then that can get in the meat, and that'll fuck the meat up.
But for the most part, I think a lot of it is when guys get the animal.
They don't cool it off quick enough.
You don't have either ice ready right away, or you don't know how to hang it to get air around it.
There's a lot you have to do to make sure that the animal doesn't spoil.
ali macofsky
Yeah, we have a flank, I think.
And then I guess there's a local butcher who makes it into sausages and kind of adds some other meats to it.
joe rogan
Usually they add fat.
unidentified
Yeah.
joe rogan
Pork fat.
ali macofsky
And that was really good.
Like, the sausage was really good.
But, yeah, it was just a totally different taste that I wasn't expecting.
joe rogan
Yeah.
Well, I don't know what they did.
Maybe they didn't cook it right, or maybe they didn't prepare it right, or maybe they didn't take care of it right.
ali macofsky
My dad prepared it, and, you know, he's normally like a grill boss, but that was his first time.
joe rogan
It's a little trickier than regular meat because you have to be real careful with the temperature.
Usually you should use a thermometer because you don't want it to overcook because it's very lean.
It's not like a steak.
You could judge a steak like a beef steak much easier because there's a lot of fat in it.
ali macofsky
Yeah.
joe rogan
Like if you're eating venison, it's a very lean animal.
ali macofsky
We're definitely eyeballing it.
joe rogan
Eyeballing?
Oh, trying to guess it.
ali macofsky
Yeah.
joe rogan
If your dad's never done it before, has he ever cooked that before?
ali macofsky
No, never.
joe rogan
Yeah, you gotta read it.
ali macofsky
We didn't know what to do.
We kind of surprised him with it.
Like, want to eat deer?
joe rogan
Yeah.
ali macofsky
He was game.
joe rogan
Literally.
unidentified
Mm-hmm.
joe rogan
You gotta read up on it.
Do you cook at all?
ali macofsky
I'm trying to cook more, yeah.
But I moved into a studio and I have to cook on a hot plate so it feels like I'm camping all the time.
Because I don't have like a stove.
So I use a hot plate.
So I can only cook like one thing at a time.
joe rogan
So what do you cook?
ali macofsky
I cook breakfast.
I'll make bacon, eggs, all that stuff.
And then I'll make rice.
I want to start making more vegetables.
joe rogan
Trying to be healthy?
ali macofsky
Trying, yeah.
Luckily, I'm staying with my friends out here and they eat super healthy, so that's felt good.
But right after this, I'm going on a meat tour.
joe rogan
Who do you know out here?
ali macofsky
My friend Julia and Jake, they're super sweet.
It's funny because I met Julia through my Patreon.
She was like, you know, follow me on Patreon.
joe rogan
I didn't know you had a Patreon.
ali macofsky
Yeah, I have a small intimate.
joe rogan
You don't have an OnlyFans, do you?
ali macofsky
No.
Patreon's the closest I'll get.
Patreon is the closest I'll get.
joe rogan
How many gals have turned to OnlyFans during the pandemic?
ali macofsky
So many.
joe rogan
Quite a few have shown the tips.
ali macofsky
I thought about it a couple times.
I was like, how do I suddenly get into this?
joe rogan
How does that work though?
Because like, someone can always, they save those pictures.
ali macofsky
I know, that's why I would never do it.
If it was like top secret and, you know, just between...
Shh, that's not pussy.
Yeah, here you go, don't tell anybody.
joe rogan
Yeah, it's a weird thing, right?
ali macofsky
And also, I'm too sensitive.
If I posted, oh, I have an OnlyFans now and two people joined, one of them being my mom because she's supportive, I'd be like, this hurts.
joe rogan
I know this lady that started an OnlyFans.
I don't know if she was doing it for money or just desperate or just wanted to do it.
I don't know.
But she got all this hate.
It was really interesting to see.
And even from her own family.
People furious at her for showing her tits.
ali macofsky
That's crazy.
If you have good tits and you don't mind showing them...
joe rogan
Yeah, it's a weird thing.
Like, why is everybody mad?
It's one thing, if your wife starts showing her pussy, you're like, hey!
ali macofsky
That's mine!
joe rogan
Yeah, hey!
ali macofsky
I have a ring saying that that's our pussy.
joe rogan
Cut it out.
ali macofsky
Yeah.
joe rogan
But if it's your sister or something like that, I don't think you're allowed to say anything.
You can't get mad at her.
I don't understand the getting mad part.
What are you mad at?
ali macofsky
Yeah, I think it's a great way for people to make money if they can.
It's saturated, so it's hard.
You have to really hustle.
That becomes your business.
joe rogan
This girl who works for Brendan's shop makes like $100,000 a month showing her feet.
ali macofsky
Yeah.
unidentified
She's got a foot porn thing.
joe rogan
All of a sudden Jamie chimes in.
jamie vernon
Weird, huh?
I was waiting for an in.
There's no more like, hey, she's doing Playboy.
Did you hear she's doing Playboy?
joe rogan
Is there Playboy anymore?
jamie vernon
There's not even an option for it.
ali macofsky
There's Playboy, but they're mostly doing articles and nice photo shoots.
There's not really much.
jamie vernon
It used to be a big thing.
They'd make a huge offer.
joe rogan
Right, like a famous person would show their tits.
Yeah, I remember that.
Didn't Demi Moore do it?
Yeah, and Kim Kardashian.
Actresses and famous people.
Playboy was classy.
Like, oh, she's in Playboy.
ali macofsky
It was a big deal.
jamie vernon
A famous girl in wrestling did it.
Sable, when I was younger.
joe rogan
She's married to Brock Lesnar.
jamie vernon
That was a huge deal.
joe rogan
Huge.
jamie vernon
That couldn't be a thing now.
She'd just do OnlyFans and make this really quick.
joe rogan
Well, that's the thing.
These gals are making that bad Barbie girl.
ali macofsky
Bad baby!
joe rogan
Whatever it is.
ali macofsky
Oh.
joe rogan
How do you say it?
ali macofsky
Bahad baby.
joe rogan
Is it baby?
It's not bad Barbie?
ali macofsky
Nope, bad baby.
She spells it with an H after the base.
joe rogan
The catch me outside girl.
ali macofsky
Catch me outside?
How about that?
joe rogan
How about that?
That girl made a million dollars in six hours.
jamie vernon
She claims.
That's what I've heard.
joe rogan
Why are you calling her a liar?
unidentified
Jamie's just so rude.
jamie vernon
It sounds like some people are very cynical about it.
She's claiming she made that, but a lot of other girls who are on there will show their receipts.
ali macofsky
Their receipts, yeah.
jamie vernon
Like here, it says on the top.001%.
joe rogan
That's weird too.
Showing your receipts.
I would feel like if you did that, people would stop giving you money.
ali macofsky
I know.
You have to be like, I'm not making too much.
It's a small group.
joe rogan
Or maybe they want to contribute to it because it's exciting because your girl is number one.
ali macofsky
It's like rooting for a team in the NFL. You're like, go bad baby!
joe rogan
Yeah, if you only got to give her $10 a month or whatever it is.
ali macofsky
I subscribe to an OnlyFans.
joe rogan
Do you?
ali macofsky
I do.
joe rogan
Is it a boy?
ali macofsky
No, it's a lady.
joe rogan
Oh.
What does she show?
ali macofsky
Oh, she shows everything.
joe rogan
Which OnlyFans is this?
ali macofsky
She's a savage.
Her name's Trisha Paytas.
joe rogan
And what does she do in her OnlyFans?
Do you know where she is?
Do you know who she is, Jamie?
jamie vernon
Unfortunately, I do.
joe rogan
Do you follow her, too?
jamie vernon
I don't follow her, but I follow the internet, so I know who this person is.
ali macofsky
Yeah.
joe rogan
What's the problem?
ali macofsky
She's an internet sleuth.
joe rogan
A sleuth?
ali macofsky
Yeah, right?
That's the right word?
jamie vernon
Nah, that's not the right word for her.
ali macofsky
What's a sleuth?
unidentified
What's a sleuth?
joe rogan
Sleuth is a detective.
ali macofsky
Oh, no, she's not a sleuth.
joe rogan
You don't even read.
ali macofsky
She's an internet sloth, I meant to say.
I know, I know.
joe rogan
That's a sloth.
ali macofsky
I'm grateful to be here.
joe rogan
What do you mean a sloth is like a lazy person?
ali macofsky
I know.
Well, no, she's just on the internet.
She's an internet person.
joe rogan
She's a person, like you and me.
ali macofsky
Oh, I love her.
joe rogan
We're both on the internet.
ali macofsky
Yeah, we are.
So what is the difference between her and I? She's on OnlyFans, she's on YouTube, she's everywhere.
But her OnlyFans is fun because she just moved into this beautiful house in the hills somewhere.
joe rogan
And she just shows her pussy.
ali macofsky
She did a house tour.
joe rogan
Here's my pussy in the bathroom.
ali macofsky
She did a house tour naked.
So you're getting this beautiful real estate.
You're like, oh, nice cabinetry.
joe rogan
What does this gal look like?
Jamie's shaking his head.
ali macofsky
Jamie doesn't want to pull her up.
joe rogan
You don't want to?
We showed me and not everybody else.
We already said her name.
Fucking keep me in the dark here, buddy.
jamie vernon
Sorry, you're right.
joe rogan
Jesus.
Here we go.
unidentified
Oh, okay.
ali macofsky
She's gone through so many different phases.
Wait a minute, that's the same person?
jamie vernon
Yeah, that's fine.
joe rogan
What the hell?
ali macofsky
She's a new person every week.
She's very entertaining.
A lot of people hate her.
A lot of people love her.
joe rogan
I would imagine if you're that kind of person, click on the one of her in her bikini and see how she would look naked.
Right down there on the bottom.
On the bottom.
There you go.
Yeah, you can keep that.
ali macofsky
I will, yeah.
joe rogan
So she's one of them extroverted people that gets a lot of attention.
ali macofsky
For sure.
joe rogan
And wants a lot of attention.
unidentified
Yes.
joe rogan
So she's probably a good person to follow because she's constantly putting out content.
ali macofsky
Yeah, and her OnlyFans too.
It's like, how do you have time for everything?
Like, her OnlyFans is always updated, doing all these new things.
She's making YouTube videos, podcasts, like, everything.
joe rogan
So her whole day is just pumping out content.
ali macofsky
Yeah.
joe rogan
And you're there slack-jawed, eating hot Cheetos.
unidentified
In bed.
joe rogan
Paying attention to her.
What is that?
jamie vernon
Part of what you're saying.
joe rogan
The dumpster fire that is Trisha Paytas.
jamie vernon
She just puts out all the content getting attention for sometimes wrong reasons.
joe rogan
Okay.
ali macofsky
Yes.
joe rogan
Yeah, so that's why you winced.
unidentified
Yes.
joe rogan
I get it.
You know what's amazing to me?
I had no idea she was a person.
You know what I mean?
Probably huge.
Probably has millions of followers on everything, right?
Yeah.
jamie vernon
Probably going to make comments about this now.
unidentified
I'm sure.
joe rogan
I had no idea.
But that's what's amazing about the internet.
My 10-year-old likes watching people play games.
ali macofsky
Oh, on Twitch or something?
joe rogan
No, no, no.
On YouTube.
ali macofsky
Oh, okay.
joe rogan
She likes watching these pretty girls that are funny play games on Roblox.
ali macofsky
Yeah.
joe rogan
You know what Roblox is?
ali macofsky
I've heard it, but I don't know exactly what it is.
joe rogan
It's like this weird video game that they play, and these girls play it, and they make funny comments and laugh.
She thinks it's hilarious.
Because she's fucking 10. Do you get nervous?
ali macofsky
I watched this YouTube documentary called The Dangers of Social Media 2.0.
And the way that kind of like pornographic images are being shown to our kids, even if you have like parental controls, it shows up in weird ways and kind of subtly.
joe rogan
In YouTube?
ali macofsky
Yeah.
joe rogan
What do you mean?
ali macofsky
Kind of in everything.
I don't mean you are different.
I don't retain information well, but...
joe rogan
Or at all, right?
ali macofsky
Or at all, yeah.
Just in and out, in and out.
And just how young people start watching porn now and the way that porn projects the image of sex onto children.
So now kids in high school are just having super gnarly sex because that's what they see and what they know.
unidentified
Whoa.
ali macofsky
And it's a really fascinating documentary.
It made me be like, if I have a kid.
What's the name of the documentary?
Dangers of Social Media.
Social Media Dangers 2.0 or something.
And so they create an Instagram account for an 11 year old and it says the bio is like 6th grade, you know.
It's very believably, if you go on her page, it looks like a 6th grader.
Two minutes after the account is activated, two minutes after they get a DM from a guy whose profile picture is a penis.
joe rogan
Oh, Jesus.
ali macofsky
And so it's like, things are just popping up that you can't even, like, control, you know?
jamie vernon
Childhood 2.0, so it's called.
ali macofsky
Yeah, Childhood 2.0.
It's very...
I feel like...
joe rogan
Well, for sure there's a lot of that out there.
ali macofsky
Yeah.
joe rogan
It's not a time to grow up slowly.
ali macofsky
No.
joe rogan
People are growing up quickly these days, for sure.
You're going to get exposed to some gnarly shit if you're online.
Yeah.
ali macofsky
Yeah, and I grew up having access to the internet, and I kind of have a vague memory of high-speed dial-up internet, the noise that it made.
But then, even for me, it was so quick into online stuff and being connected into the internet, but it's so much faster now, like babies with iPads and stuff.
joe rogan
Yeah.
Yeah, well, if you leave your kid alone with an iPad that has an internet connection and a Google account, especially if there's a couple of them together, they're always like, you know what I found?
And then next thing you know, the kids are looking at some fucking snuff film.
ali macofsky
For sure.
joe rogan
Yeah.
ali macofsky
It's scary.
Do you get nervous about that?
joe rogan
Yes.
Yeah, there's no way you can't.
I get nervous about everything.
I was reading this thing about sex trafficking the other day, and I was like, Jesus Christ.
People that are kidnapped in these countries.
ali macofsky
In America?
joe rogan
Yeah, that happens too.
ali macofsky
So much, and you don't even really realize it.
joe rogan
Well, I mean, there's always, like, some guy that you hear of that's got, like, people locked up in his basement and he's had them down there for ten years and they finally get out.
You know, how many stories of those have you heard?
ali macofsky
And they always have, like, a spouse, a partner.
I'm like, how do you guys find that you have that in common?
joe rogan
Right, right.
ali macofsky
How do you ease into that conversation of, like, I'm thinking of keeping some kids in the basement.
What do you think?
joe rogan
There's some monsters out there.
Oh, it's scary.
ali macofsky
And now, like it was saying in the documentary, because at the time my parents grew up, it became dangerous to be outside because people would get kidnapped or, you know, you just hear of all these horror stories of kids being out, hitchhiking, whatever.
And so a lot of parents don't want their kids being out, but crime has gone down in that way so much since then.
joe rogan
Because people aren't hitchhiking, right.
ali macofsky
Yeah, and so now kids are just inside on their phones because they don't play outside as much.
joe rogan
Yeah, I've heard some horror stories about Uber, though.
About girls, you know, getting attacked by their Uber drivers.
ali macofsky
I've been in some creepy Ubers where I start recording on my phone the audio because I'm like, I don't know how this is going to play out.
joe rogan
Like how so?
ali macofsky
I remember one time I was in the back of this dude's Uber in Hollywood and he was just saying like, I don't even remember what it was, but it was so creepy.
And I think women have like this radar like within them, you know, when you can just tell something's off.
joe rogan
Yeah.
ali macofsky
A guy could be totally normal, but there's just something in you that's like, I'm getting a weird vibe.
And he was just saying things, and I was like, oh, I'm sorry, I don't want to talk, and just asking me weird questions.
It was a long time ago, but I remember hitting record on my phone because I'm like, this guy's in full control right now, unless I jump out the back.
joe rogan
And it's his car, too.
There's so much weirdness to it, right?
It's like it's so intimate.
It's like you're in his apartment that moves.
ali macofsky
And it probably is his apartment when he clocks out.
joe rogan
It might be.
ali macofsky
It might be.
My buddy CJ's living, Ubering by day.
joe rogan
Does he just go to a gym to shower or something?
ali macofsky
Uh-huh.
unidentified
Yeah.
ali macofsky
He's doing Airbnbs and stuff now, but...
joe rogan
Yeah, there's a lot of people that do that That uber thing where they're driving people around all day long and you know like that's their social interaction is interacting with people and Some people just want to ride and then all sudden you're realizing like you're paying for the most uncomfortable Conversation you could ever have yeah,
you're like oh great now I have to and then you know sometimes you get in a car and someone you know Trump got a real bad rap like oh no And you realize you're going to listen to this QAnon guy who's driving you around.
And like, what do you say?
Just, hey, drop me off.
I can't do this.
ali macofsky
I like to, when I get weirdo drivers like that who are just saying crazy stuff, I like to know what's going on in their world.
joe rogan
So ask them.
ali macofsky
It's fascinating, yeah.
joe rogan
But what if you're with your friend and you guys are, you know, you've got plans, you've got something important to talk about, and this guy starts yapping at you.
What's going on tonight, girls?
unidentified
What you up to?
joe rogan
You guys look nice.
How old are you?
ali macofsky
Oh, it's so creepy.
joe rogan
What do you do for a living?
What's your name?
ali macofsky
When people ask what you do for a living in an Uber and you're like, I'm a comedian.
They're like, tell me a joke.
One time I said I was a writer because I thought that that would get less questions.
And the guy was like, I'm a writer too.
What do you write?
And I was like, what do I write?
What do I write?
And I was like, I write stories.
He was like, I write raps and poems.
And then he pulled out a notebook from his glove compartment.
joe rogan
Did you start reading from it?
unidentified
Yeah.
joe rogan
When people want you to listen to their music, it's one of the most fucking painful things.
Hey, I want you to listen to this song, and you're in their car, and you're like, no.
ali macofsky
No, no, no, no, no.
joe rogan
Don't do this to me.
Don't you do this to me.
ali macofsky
Then you have to go, oh, wow.
Who are your influences?
unidentified
Oh, my God.
joe rogan
This is crazy.
ali macofsky
I've been getting into...
It's fun being in Texas, because I feel like I'm in the country, you know?
So I've been listening to a lot of Brooks and Dunn.
joe rogan
Oh, there you go.
ali macofsky
It's so fun.
joe rogan
Imagine if I had people over my house and I said, hey, I want you to listen to my podcast.
Listen.
Everybody sit down and listen to me talk.
ali macofsky
Have you guys heard my podcast?
You guys want to listen to it?
Get a little glimpse?
joe rogan
I'm happy if someone doesn't know I have a podcast.
ali macofsky
Does anyone know that you don't have a podcast?
joe rogan
I'm sure there's some people out there.
I'm going to find them.
Hang out with them.
ali macofsky
Oh, is that the Seth Rogen guy from the movies?
unidentified
Yeah.
joe rogan
No.
No, I'm his cousin.
ali macofsky
That's my aunt.
I remember when I first got to do a show with you, it was obviously a big deal to me, so I'm telling my aunt, I'm like, I get to do a show with Joe Rogan.
And she's like, from the movies?
The stoner guy?
And I'm like, he is a stoner guy.
But I don't think he's in the movies like that.
joe rogan
I'm not as much of a stoner.
Seth Rogen apparently gets high every single day, all day long.
ali macofsky
I get my second vax on 420. Woo!
Puff, puff, vax.
joe rogan
Wait a minute, why are you getting enough vaccination when you've already had COVID? I didn't know.
ali macofsky
I was too late.
unidentified
You don't need it.
joe rogan
You have the antibodies.
ali macofsky
I'll just get the one and done.
I already got the one.
joe rogan
You're fine.
ali macofsky
I'll let the one ride out.
joe rogan
Don't do it.
Because some people are having really bad reactions when they get the vaccination and they've had COVID, especially the second vaccination, because it's just an overwhelming experience for your body to be battling it out like that.
I don't know why, but see if you can Google that.
Make sure that's true.
Because I've heard of people, like one person told me that they had COVID and then they got vaccinated and the second one fucked them up.
ali macofsky
My sister got, oh, she didn't want me to say it.
joe rogan
Joey, do you keep doing that to your sister?
ali macofsky
I know, I fucked up.
joe rogan
She's throwing your sister under the bus.
Joey Diaz just got vaccinated, he said it was nothing.
ali macofsky
That's the interesting thing, though.
joe rogan
You got the Johnson& Johnson.
ali macofsky
Oh.
He was fine?
joe rogan
Yeah, he stayed fine.
ali macofsky
That's good.
That's the thing, though, with getting COVID. People are so afraid to say that they got COVID because they're so...
Well, what were you doing?
unidentified
I know.
ali macofsky
Were you following all the rules?
Were you staying locked up inside and not going out into...
joe rogan
That's just in California.
ali macofsky
Yeah.
joe rogan
Yeah.
California's lost.
The rest of the country doesn't treat you like that.
ali macofsky
Well, it's like there's a good chance you're going to get COVID if you have to go to the grocery store or do anything.
joe rogan
I think it's your dopey woke friends too.
ali macofsky
I know.
God love them.
joe rogan
The ones with two masks on and their Twitter profile.
ali macofsky
Yeah.
joe rogan
Yeah.
Sad.
These kids.
They're going to change the world though.
ali macofsky
They are.
unidentified
They're the future.
It's going to be way better.
Yeah.
joe rogan
It's going to be communist.
ali macofsky
That would be so crazy.
joe rogan
It's not going to work.
ali macofsky
No.
Where would you live?
Like, say...
joe rogan
New Zealand.
ali macofsky
New Zealand?
joe rogan
I don't know.
I've never been there, but...
I live in Australia.
I would say Canada, but have you seen what the fuck's going on in Canada?
ali macofsky
See, I feel like Canada's too similar to us.
People put, like, a nice little mask on it and are like, it's a better version.
I'm like, it's pretty much the same.
joe rogan
No, it's not a better version.
It's too close to home.
Not during COVID. There's a church...
That they put a fence around the church, and then these people tried to go to the church anywhere and wear no masks, and then something like 200 cops were at the church.
See if you can find this.
It's really crazy.
There's a giant number of cops that were wearing SWAT gear.
Showed up at a fucking church in Canada.
And the internet is outraged about this.
Because there was one guy who was a pastor.
And he was kicking them out.
These cops showed up at his church.
And they all had masks on.
And he was yelling, get out!
Get out!
You Nazis!
You Nazis!
Unless you have a warrant, get out!
He's like, what are you doing?
You're intimidating us during Passover?
Get out!
He's screaming at them.
It's like, it got viral.
Well, their response to that wasn't, oh my god.
People don't want to be treated this way.
They don't want to be yelled at like they're criminals just because they're at church because I guess they have some regulations about church in Canada, particularly in this area.
I think it's Canada universally because there's some anti-lockdown riots that were going on last night in Montreal.
So this church, the next step was these cops show up in full riot gear and some of them had gas masks because they were going to pepper spray people at a fucking church because these people were openly celebrating and I guess they weren't wearing masks or they weren't following whatever national protocols they have.
So this is the first guy.
This is the guy that was screaming.
We'll play some of this because it's kind of crazy.
unidentified
Out of this property.
Immediately.
I don't wanna hear a word.
Out!
Out!
Out of this property!
joe rogan
Why's that sound so shitty?
You'll come back with a warrant.
out out out out out out of this immediately out immediately go out and then come back so this is the first one it is Yeah, well, there's something wrong with the volume or the sound on that particular copy of the video, but the other one was a little clearer.
But then, yesterday, it escalated in a huge way.
I don't know if it's the same church, but there was this church where...
This huge group of armed police showed up with bulletproof vests, black suits, the whole deal.
And to a fucking church.
unidentified
Yeah.
joe rogan
Like, look at this.
Look at this.
ali macofsky
Oh my god.
joe rogan
Dude, what the fuck is this?
Like, this is insane.
I mean, this is literally insane.
They have flak jackets on, bulletproof vests, they're armed, and they're showing up.
unidentified
200 cops now.
joe rogan
200 cops showed up at a church.
unidentified
So we're at close to 200 cops now.
Gas masks, visors and stuff, gas masks for gas.
200 cops and a helicopter.
joe rogan
They put a fence around the church to keep people from going in, and people apparently were trying to go through the fence to get to the church, and then the cops just decided to enforce things.
That's why you can't just tell people what to do.
You can't just decide to take away people's freedom, because this is where it goes.
You'll start thinking, well, we're just trying to protect people.
But then you've got to reinforce those laws.
So how do you reinforce those laws?
You bring 200 armed cops to shut down a church.
Now what happens if people resist that?
Well, then you have a fucking war between the churchgoers and the cops.
Over what?
Over they want freedom to practice their religion a year into a fucking lockdown.
A year.
Or more than a year.
It's April now.
We're a year and a month.
Right?
So they want freedom to practice their religion.
And these cops are following some fucking crazy law that they have up in Canada or some crazy orders that someone's given them to show up, 200 of them, and shut a church service down.
You know, and you could say, oh, you know, they're spreading the disease.
At a certain point in time, you've got to let people be people.
You've got to let them be free.
And protect yourself.
We know what the fuck is going on.
Protect yourself.
ali macofsky
It's like the people who are mad at the people not wearing masks at church.
It's like you're not interacting with those people.
If that's what they want to do, you're not going to be affected.
joe rogan
Well, they think they are because they think it's going to spread.
But the thing is, it's not going to spread to you if you follow safety protocols and you don't go out.
You know, if you want to be that person that just lives the rest of your life in lockdown, you're allowed to.
I mean, regardless of this pandemic, if the pandemic ends and you say, you know what, it's too risky.
What if a new one comes up?
I don't want to be patient number one.
I'm going to wear three masks and stay home forever.
That's okay.
But when you tell people what to do like this, like you tell people you can't have church service.
You're going to start a fucking civil war.
People are going to get angry.
They're going to attack the cops.
And the cops, they develop this us versus them mentality.
And that's why these cops would show up and act like what they're doing is not some horrific crime against justice and sanity, where they show up, 200 of them, armed to a fucking church.
It's crazy.
But this is where it goes.
When you start telling people what to do, you have to enforce those laws.
And the way you enforce those laws is through violence.
And that's why this is so spooky.
And that's also why a lot of these really weak people, like what's scary is not that they have a different sensibility than people that are like that 21-year-old kid that got his dad sick, and the reckless people that aren't thinking things through.
The real problem is That you're enforcing your way of living on other people.
And there's only one way to do that.
You've got to bring in the cops.
Like that thing, that's what happens.
ali macofsky
Yeah.
joe rogan
It's so dangerous.
ali macofsky
It's unhealthy for the brain.
joe rogan
It's unhealthy for everybody.
ali macofsky
Yeah.
joe rogan
At a certain point in time, like what they did in Texas, like the governor said, I'm going to end the mask mandate.
You should still wear a mask, but I'm not going to make it a fucking law.
And all businesses can open 100%.
Or if you don't want to open 100%, you want to be 50% open, do that.
But I'm not going to have a mandate.
We're a year into this.
He goes, Texas is fully open.
Do whatever you want.
That's what I support.
Do what you want.
ali macofsky
Protect yourself.
Look after yourself.
joe rogan
Yeah.
We know how to keep your immune system strong.
We know how to be healthy.
We know treatments for the disease if you do get it.
We know how to keep yourself from getting it for the most part.
Fuck, this kind of shit drives me crazy.
And there's so many people that have become these weird...
They've become so compliant to authority, and they want everybody else to be compliant, too.
ali macofsky
They become their own police force.
joe rogan
Yeah, well, they police everyone around them, too.
They scream at people across the street, wear a mask!
ali macofsky
You're on the other side of the street!
It's happened to me someone has come over...
To my boyfriend.
He was at a parking lot with his buddies.
Four of his buddies.
They were out skating.
They were about to leave.
And some lady from across the street walked over and goes, why aren't you guys wearing your masks?
And they're like, okay, we'll wear our masks.
Thank you.
And she goes, you can put them on now.
And they're like, we don't, we're fine.
And she was like, I got vaccinated, so I'm not worried about myself.
I'm just looking out for you guys.
joe rogan
Sure.
It's what we were talking about earlier with woke people.
People like to tell people what to do.
And there's like a clear green light to say, put a mask on.
It's so clear.
So should you put a mask on?
Yeah, you probably should.
You know why you should?
Not outside, really, but inside especially, to make people feel better.
ali macofsky
Yeah.
joe rogan
They don't feel uncomfortable around you.
They don't feel like you're an asshole.
And you're doing something that makes people feel better.
Yeah, that's nice.
That's a good thing.
But the people that are like, put a fucking mask on.
Those are the same people as the far right people or the far left people.
They're just people that like to tell people what to do.
They're people that like to find an excuse to be shitty.
ali macofsky
And feel in control.
joe rogan
And that's what they're doing.
Yeah.
Oh, I'm going to go tell those people to put their fucking mask on.
Her life, I guarantee you, is a mess.
A steaming pile of shit mess.
ali macofsky
Well, I think because of the pandemic, that was something that's out of our control.
I have no control over a global pandemic.
What can I do?
unidentified
Nothing.
Voodoo.
ali macofsky
Do you know any voodoo?
I'll learn.
I'll get into witchcraft soon.
But people, I think, realize that they have so little control over what can happen.
And it's a scary thing to realize that we're only so capable of doing things.
So it's like these are the little...
Micro actions of being like, I have control over this.
I can tell this person what to do.
joe rogan
You know what you do have control over?
You have control over your health.
ali macofsky
And yourself, yeah.
joe rogan
You get yourself healthier or do your best to do so.
You know, Laura Beetz?
She lost 40 fucking pounds.
She looks amazing.
ali macofsky
I saw, after I saw that, I was nervous to come on because last time I was talking about Taco Bell.
I'm like, I haven't lost shit.
joe rogan
Well, you weren't grossly overweight.
She let herself go.
ali macofsky
Yeah, I'm getting there.
joe rogan
Now she's super healthy.
ali macofsky
I know, it's awesome.
joe rogan
And focused.
That girl's focused.
I get inspired by her.
She writes constantly.
When she would go do sets at the store and see her with her notes, I'd go, yeah, that's what I like to see.
Someone with a fucking super thick notebook filled with pages and she's just crazy.
Constantly working on her act.
She always has new material.
She's always grinding.
Always grinding.
ali macofsky
It's great.
joe rogan
And now she's grinding with her body, too.
I mean, she's way healthier.
You know, just, I mean, losing 40 pounds of blubber off of your body, it just frees you up so much.
It's just like, oh my god, my joints, my back, my knee, like everything was bothering me, now it's not.
Like, yeah, that's the message that needs to be pumped out into people.
Not just wear three masks, save the fuck away from everybody.
It's like, use this time to lose weight.
78% of the people that are in the fucking ICU are obese for COVID. 78%.
That's nuts!
ali macofsky
And it's hard because it's one of those things when you're losing weight and trying to get healthier and all of that.
It's a slow process and so you don't get to see it in yourself because you see yourself every day so it doesn't feel like you're making progress so it's so easy to get discouraged and be like, this isn't helping.
I don't see the results.
joe rogan
That's why scales are important.
People are like, oh, don't pay attention to scale.
Just be healthy.
Listen, pay attention to fucking scale.
You don't live by it.
It's not the end-all be-all because you could starve yourself and be unhealthy and lighter and trick yourself.
But it's a good way to mark improvement.
You know?
And you can find ways.
There's programs you can follow online that are free that can help you lose weight.
There's all sorts of diets and ways to, like, count your calories and look at your expenditure and how much energy you're putting out, what you really need.
And what she did was just, like, cut out flour and sugar and just that alone.
Weight was falling off of her body.
ali macofsky
Yeah.
It's interesting when you start doing stuff like that how much you realize it's in everything.
joe rogan
Yeah.
ali macofsky
Like sugar and flour.
joe rogan
It's in everything.
ali macofsky
It's in so much.
joe rogan
Yeah, it's in everything.
ali macofsky
And so it's really like a full lifestyle change at first.
joe rogan
Yeah.
ali macofsky
Because it's such an adjustment.
It's so easy to not pay attention to what's in your food.
joe rogan
But if you do it, you'll feel so much better.
ali macofsky
Yeah.
joe rogan
This whole pandemic has exposed a lot of people's health issues.
It's not as simple as just it's a crisis of a disease that's ravaging the country.
It is definitely that.
But it also exposed how people that are healthy, it's not as big of a deal as people that are unhealthy.
You know?
And you don't have to catch it, too.
That's the other thing.
Like this idea that there's nothing you can do to protect yourself.
That's not true.
Your immune system can protect you from this.
It can stop you from having it.
When people in my house got it, there was two days where I was working out where I was like, I feel kind of shitty today.
I just feel dragged.
Like I was dragging.
So I just took it light.
I just broke a sweat.
Didn't push myself.
Didn't, you know, I was like, I'm just, I'm aware.
Because I work out a lot.
So I think about it.
ali macofsky
You work out every day.
joe rogan
No.
I always take at least one day a week off.
ali macofsky
Yeah.
joe rogan
Always.
But I have friends that work out every fucking day.
And they just do different things.
ali macofsky
Are you still doing the sauna?
joe rogan
Every day.
That I do every day.
I was doing it five days a week, but now I basically do it almost every day.
Occasionally I'll take a day off.
It's way more likely that I don't take a day off.
ali macofsky
Do you ever do the ice baths?
joe rogan
No, I need to get one of those.
I need to get one of them.
They have a tank that, it's like an ice plunge, and it'll cool it, so it'll get it to like 34 degrees, so you can just climb in.
You don't have to add ice to it, so basically it keeps it chilled.
You put a lid on it, and then you climb in it.
The best, apparently, is going sauna, ice bath, sauna, ice bath.
That's the way to do it.
ali macofsky
I love that Wim Hof guy.
joe rogan
Oh, he's awesome.
I love him.
Yeah, he's awesome.
unidentified
Whew!
joe rogan
Breathing exercises are amazing.
ali macofsky
Yeah.
unidentified
You ever do those?
ali macofsky
Sometimes if I'm like really stressing, but it's something that I would like to do more consistently because it's not like, I feel like breathing exercises or meditation, like it's helpful if you do it every once in a while, but it's most effective if you're doing it like in a regular practice.
joe rogan
Yeah.
ali macofsky
Do you meditate?
joe rogan
Yeah.
ali macofsky
You do?
unidentified
Yeah.
joe rogan
Yeah, I do, but I do it through, well, I used to do it when I had my tank.
I don't have a tank here.
I used to do it in the tank.
But now I do it through breathing exercises.
unidentified
Yeah.
joe rogan
In the sauna.
Usually I combine them.
It makes it more difficult.
ali macofsky
Knock them all out.
joe rogan
Well, it just makes it more difficult, too, the breathing exercises.
But if I do it right, I can get into this kind of crazy trance where I don't realize how much time has passed because all I'm thinking about is the breathing.
So all I'm thinking about is big, long, deep breath in, big, long, deep breath out.
And I read this book called Breathe by James Nestor.
It's a really good book.
Interesting, interesting book on the history of Breathing exercises.
Then I had him on the podcast and talked to him about it.
It was a bunch of different styles of breath exercises and all the different benefits and where these things have emanated from.
But all these different things that people have shown that they can do with their body from breathing exercises massively boost your immune system.
ali macofsky
Have you done, like, a breathwork class before?
joe rogan
No.
ali macofsky
Oh, it's crazy.
Your hands get, like, clamped like a crab or a lobster or something?
joe rogan
Yeah.
ali macofsky
Because you're, like, so out of control of your body when you're doing it.
joe rogan
What kind of class did you do?
ali macofsky
I don't know if there was, like, a name for it.
It was just, like, a guided breathwork class.
So the guy's, like, explaining, like, the rhythm to breathe in and, like, how fast or slow to go.
It was a while ago, but it was, like...
Maybe eight seconds of deep breathing in and then eight out.
And then I think it changes throughout the class.
But I have such a hard time letting go that I'm just thinking about it.
I'm like, don't cry.
Because sometimes people cry because it's so powerful.
And I can easily shut off and be like, don't fucking cry.
joe rogan
Why do you not want to cry?
ali macofsky
I don't know.
I'm afraid of my emotions.
joe rogan
Really?
ali macofsky
Yeah.
joe rogan
Was it you were afraid to cry around people or do you cry when no one's around?
ali macofsky
Oh, I love crying when no one's around.
Just thinking of all the fucked up shit and playing a story of why I'm so awful.
jamie vernon
Really?
ali macofsky
Every once in a while, yeah, I like to just really shed it and let it go.
joe rogan
So do you think you build it up and then you have to just open the bag?
ali macofsky
Yeah.
It was so funny.
Last time I did the podcast, someone said, Allie looks like she's always holding back tears.
She talks like she's trying not to cry.
joe rogan
You mean the random comment on YouTube?
Is that what you're talking about?
ali macofsky
I wasn't reading them.
It was one of the top comments.
It was upvoted.
This person's comment was very successful.
It was just at the top.
I wasn't doing a deep dive.
Only the greatest hit comments.
joe rogan
Do you read your comments on Instagram and Twitter or anything like that?
ali macofsky
Yeah, but not like...
I'll just skim through.
It's not something where I'm like, I need to check the comments.
joe rogan
Yeah.
ali macofsky
Because you've said it a bunch.
What's the point?
Michael Jordan's not reading.
The comments.
joe rogan
I said he's not writing them.
ali macofsky
Writing them?
joe rogan
Yeah.
ali macofsky
But he's also not reading them probably either.
joe rogan
He's probably not reading them either.
But the kind of people that write them generally don't have their shit together.
The people that, like, are shitting on you in particular and, like, want to make you feel bad.
Look at the fucking alley with her frumpy, shitty clothes.
Why don't you dress nicer?
Like, who is that guy?
You know?
Some idiot.
But meanwhile, you're absorbing his stupid, idiot thoughts and you're taking him into your head.
ali macofsky
And then I'm crying about it.
joe rogan
He doesn't even want his thoughts.
unidentified
Yeah.
joe rogan
Like, if he had to listen to himself, he'd be like, shut the fuck up.
ali macofsky
Yeah.
joe rogan
But, unfortunately, he doesn't have any discipline.
So he's trapped.
He's trapped in his own shitty mind.
ali macofsky
Yeah.
joe rogan
But you can let that person into your head, and it's like eating bad food.
Like, all of a sudden, you've been poisoned, and you have gas.
Like, ugh.
ali macofsky
Yeah, that's why I don't do it that much anymore because I'm allowed to be my own critic.
joe rogan
That's good.
ali macofsky
I know what I want to improve.
I know what my weaknesses are.
I only take advice from people I look up to, like you, Santina.
If I'm ever questioning myself or whatever I'm doing, I'm like, there's people I turn to who know...
There's people that you go to for what you need.
joe rogan
You're colleagues.
unidentified
Yes.
joe rogan
We're colleagues, Allie.
Yeah.
Well, I think you're self-critical.
I mean, I've talked to you about your act before and you're a person that goes over it and thinks about it.
You have a set that you don't like or something's wrong.
You're not delusional.
And the people that are delusional, they just don't get better.
ali macofsky
Yeah.
joe rogan
If you protect yourself from that pain, you don't grow.
We all know people like that, right?
ali macofsky
Totally.
And I think that's the hard thing about comedy is it can be...
The good times can be so fleeting when you have a good set.
You know, you're on this high and it's such a high high that you're like, this is awesome.
Like, I feel like a rock star.
I'm doing it.
I'm in it.
And then you have a shitty set.
You don't like your material that night, whatever.
And you're just like, I'm garbage.
How did I even get here?
Like, what am I doing?
How did this happen?
And then that feels like it goes on forever.
But it's figuring out the ways and the tools of getting out of that.
It's like, okay, well, maybe I can review my set earlier in the day and kind of just have a good day and put that to the side so I'm not hyper-focused on that and overthinking the material and letting it become rigid or something.
So just kind of figuring out what works best for me and what makes me the most loose but polished at the same time.
Because sometimes I'll be on stage and I'm like, am I doing a guided meditation right now?
I feel like I'm listening to myself speak and that's the dangerous area for me is when I'm not present and in the moment of that because I was overthinking my entire set the whole day out of nerves or fear.
joe rogan
And the audience can recognize that too.
ali macofsky
100%.
joe rogan
They feel it.
They smell it.
ali macofsky
Totally.
joe rogan
When you're not there.
ali macofsky
Yeah.
joe rogan
Yeah, it's weird.
ali macofsky
Yeah.
joe rogan
It's a strange art form, and no one really can tell you what to do.
They can kind of tell you, I like how you did it last time, or most of the time when you do this, it's like that, but this time you did it this way, and it's better.
But, you know, the way you do it is going to be different than the way Santino does it, or different than the way Diaz does it.
Everybody's got a, you know, Ali Wong's got her own thing.
Everybody's got their own thing.
It's like there's no...
There's no hard, fast rules, other than economy of words.
That's pretty universal, but not even totally.
ali macofsky
And it's very trial and error, you know?
Like, bands don't go on stage and like, we're gonna just test out this new song.
We've never done it before, just gonna try it out.
joe rogan
Well, the thing is about, like, trying something out, like, I've tried something out and had it go fucking nowhere.
And you're like, Jesus Christ, I've been doing comedy forever, and I still do this?
And then I've tried something out out of nowhere, and boom!
It gets this huge fucking roar.
Like, I did this bit the other day that just, I came up with it basically over the last, like, Couple of days and it was the first time I'd ever done it on stage and it crushed.
unidentified
It's the best feeling.
joe rogan
And Tony grabbed me afterwards.
He goes, dude, that was one of the funniest things I've ever heard you say.
Like, where's that from?
I'm like, it's totally new.
He's like, oh my god.
Because everyone knows what that feeling's like when you have a totally new bit.
It's totally new and it's killing.
You're like, ah.
ali macofsky
The worst is when you do a brand new bit and it works.
It kills the first time you do it and you're like, I got a new bit.
Oh, the second time it's like bombing.
You're like, how?
What's the difference?
joe rogan
Did you record?
ali macofsky
Yeah.
joe rogan
Yeah, that's the difference.
You gotta listen to the recording and figure out what did I do wrong?
What did I do right?
ali macofsky
I always audio record.
I want to start just filming my set so I can visually see it too.
joe rogan
Mmm, that's better.
ali macofsky
Yeah.
joe rogan
Damon Wayans has recorded on video all of his sets since the 90s.
ali macofsky
Jesus!
joe rogan
Yep.
He shows up at the improv, he has a tripod and a camera, sets up, films it, and then he goes home, stores it, and edits it.
So he watches all his shit, stores it, and edits it.
ali macofsky
Wow.
joe rogan
Amazing.
ali macofsky
Can't wait for that movie.
joe rogan
What movie?
ali macofsky
The movie of all of his sets over time and his career and life story.
joe rogan
Well, I don't even know if he does specials anymore.
I don't think he's done a special in a long time.
ali macofsky
Did you see Kid 90s?
Is that what it's called?
joe rogan
I don't know.
What's that?
ali macofsky
I think it's on Hulu.
The girl who played Punky Brewster.
What's her name?
She has a crazy cool name.
joe rogan
Malik Bolum.
jamie vernon
Soleil Moonfry.
ali macofsky
Oh, yeah.
Soleil Moonfry.
She filmed everything on VHS after being Punky Brewster.
And so it's just kind of her life story told from all these old VHSs that she recorded growing up.
joe rogan
So she stopped all acting, right?
ali macofsky
She tried to act, but it was hard to get out of the image of the young, punky Brewster.
joe rogan
But now, she's not doing it anymore, right?
ali macofsky
Yeah, I don't think so.
Is that Marky Mark?
unidentified
Damn.
ali macofsky
Yeah, but it was so interesting because she was in the crowd of all these stars from that time, like Leo DiCaprio, young Leo in these videos.
unidentified
Wow.
joe rogan
Look at them all.
They're little kids.
ali macofsky
Yeah.
joe rogan
Jesus Christ, they look like little kids.
ali macofsky
It was really cool.
joe rogan
Is that Matt Damon looking like a little kid in that picture you just had up?
jamie vernon
This one?
joe rogan
The one you just had, yeah.
jamie vernon
That's Brian Austin Green, I think.
joe rogan
Who's the one in the middle?
jamie vernon
Not Matt Damon, but...
joe rogan
Looks like it.
Look at that little kid Matt Damon.
jamie vernon
Yeah.
joe rogan
Who is that little kid?
jamie vernon
It looks maybe Stephen Dorff.
joe rogan
Anyway.
jamie vernon
Yeah.
joe rogan
That's a weird road.
Like, we were talking before the podcast about the one I did with Demi Lovato and Miley Cyrus.
That world of being famous when you're a kid.
ali macofsky
Yeah.
joe rogan
Fuck that.
That's crazy.
ali macofsky
It's hard.
It's so weird.
And because it's all publicized, you watch them as they grow and they don't get to figure themselves out on their own.
Did I ever tell you I used to be on the radio?
joe rogan
The radio?
ali macofsky
Yeah.
I've told you this before.
joe rogan
In another life?
ali macofsky
No, when I was like seven years old.
I was on Kiss FM. Did you tell me this?
I have.
joe rogan
Really?
ali macofsky
Yeah, Ryan Seacrest is the host of it.
Did I block it out?
Probably, yeah.
joe rogan
Why did I not remember that?
ali macofsky
I don't know.
joe rogan
Was it good?
ali macofsky
Yeah, I mean, I had a job working as a radio personality for like four years from third grade until sixth grade.
Yeah, making prank phone calls.
joe rogan
No, I don't think you told me this.
unidentified
I've told you.
joe rogan
Did you tell me on the air?
ali macofsky
No.
joe rogan
You told me in real life.
ali macofsky
I told you in real life.
joe rogan
I don't know if you did.
I don't remember.
Do you remember this?
jamie vernon
I've heard her talk about it before.
unidentified
I know.
ali macofsky
But I was like a mini...
I was like a little mini celebrity in my hometown.
You know, like my dad would...
I remember one time he had to get a rental car and they were going to give him like, you know, a Toyota or something.
And he's like, do you listen to Kiss FM? Do you know Lil Alley?
It's my daughter.
Can I get a convertible?
Pick me up from school in a new...
like a nicer rental car or something.
unidentified
Wow.
ali macofsky
Yeah.
But, I mean, even that was hard and that was like nothing.
joe rogan
How the fuck did that happen?
ali macofsky
I called in randomly.
My sisters listened to Kiss FM. When we would get ready for school, we'd listen to it.
joe rogan
You were seven?
ali macofsky
I was seven.
joe rogan
No one's watching you?
ali macofsky
My dad was home.
My dad was home and my sisters were home.
Probably, yeah.
joe rogan
And you just grabbed the phone and started dialing numbers?
ali macofsky
I asked my sister.
I said, I want to call into the radio station.
I want to request a song or something.
And my sister's like, I'm not giving you the number.
You're going to embarrass me.
All my friends listen to this station.
And so she tries calling in.
She doesn't get through.
My dad takes her to school.
Me and my other sister are at home.
I press redial on the phone.
And I immediately get through and now I'm panicking.
I don't know what to say.
And I'm like, can I get Britney Spears tickets?
Talking to Ryan Seacrest.
And he's like, can you sing a Britney Spears song?
So I'm like seven years old singing Toxic by Britney Spears.
unidentified
Just being like, the taste of your lips, I'm on a ride.
ali macofsky
And after I sing this song, he's like, oh, we don't have Britney Spears tickets, but we have American Idol tickets.
And I was like, I'll only go if they're VIP. Is that what you said?
unidentified
Yeah.
ali macofsky
And then we're just having a conversation back and forth.
He's like, where are your parents?
I'm like, I don't know.
Dad's out.
It's like 7 in the morning.
And so then I ended up getting a job making prank phone calls for them.
joe rogan
How did it end?
ali macofsky
It ended with me not being little anymore.
joe rogan
They didn't like you anymore?
ali macofsky
No, I was too old.
unidentified
I was like 12. Is that really what happened?
ali macofsky
Yeah, so I had a contract that would like, you know, expired and then they wanted to renew it, but in a different way and sign on to Ryan's production company.
joe rogan
Oh, he wanted to pimp you out?
ali macofsky
Yeah.
joe rogan
Whoa.
Did he want a piece of you?
ali macofsky
Yeah.
joe rogan
Really?
unidentified
Yeah.
joe rogan
What kind of piece?
ali macofsky
I think they want like 20%.
joe rogan
Of everything you do?
ali macofsky
Uh-huh.
joe rogan
From there on out?
ali macofsky
I think so.
joe rogan
Whoa.
ali macofsky
And my dad was like, that's too much.
And so we didn't end up doing it.
joe rogan
Imagine if your stand-up career took off, you'd be Ryan Seacrest's bitch.
So for the rest of your career, if you'd sign that, it might be for life.
jamie vernon
Yeah, but...
ali macofsky
I don't think it would have been for life.
joe rogan
Forever.
jamie vernon
He produced a Kardashian show.
joe rogan
Forever and ever and ever.
ali macofsky
I always tell my dad we could have been the Makovskys, keeping up with the Makovskys.
joe rogan
Yeah, he fucked up, Dad.
ali macofsky
No, but I'm so grateful because, I mean, I don't know if anything would have come of that or anything, but I'm glad I got to eat lunch in the bathroom alone in high school and have all of those...
joe rogan
Awkward moments.
ali macofsky
Weird, awkward, uncomfortable moments.
joe rogan
Isn't that funny that at the time you think of them as being the worst thing ever and then later on you realize there's kind of a gift in some of that weird angst?
ali macofsky
Yeah.
joe rogan
Especially as an artist, as someone who creates things, to be able to pull from those uncomfortable moments.
ali macofsky
I was just looking over one of my like earliest sets like one of my first things that I typed up for my first open mic and it was so sad everything ends like my punchline for every joke is like that's because I'm pathetic that's because I'm a loser and I was like what a dark place to be in or that's like my best punchline for a joke well when you started doing kill tony how long have you been doing comedy I think I was maybe like a year in, give or take.
But once I started, I wasn't 21, so I ended up having to wait like six more months until I could perform at the comedy store.
joe rogan
Right.
ali macofsky
Because I had gotten kicked out for not being of age.
And so once I was back in, then I started doing it.
But I think it had been like maybe a year into stand-up.
joe rogan
The Comedy Store is a place where you can only perform if you're 21, but when I was a kid, you could perform when you were 18, but you couldn't drink until you're 21. I didn't know, though.
I didn't perform until I was 21, because I thought you had to wait.
So I waited until just a little bit after my birthday.
ali macofsky
I was there on my 21st at midnight.
joe rogan
Really?
ali macofsky
And Red Band gave me $21 because it was my 21st birthday.
And I was like, I'm going to keep coming here on my birthday.
I'm making a little cash grab out of this.
joe rogan
So every year, you're like, next year I got $22 in the bank.
ali macofsky
Yeah, I'm like, September 8th, be at the store, Brian.
joe rogan
But you started when you were how old, though?
What was the first time you were on stage?
ali macofsky
I think my first time on stage was when I was 18, maybe 17. I went to the Laugh Factory.
joe rogan
So you don't care at the Laugh Factory.
They don't give a fuck.
You could be two years old.
ali macofsky
Totally.
joe rogan
And Jamie will try to manage you.
ali macofsky
Yeah.
Well, it's funny because I had been sneaking into the Laugh Factory using my sister's ID to get in.
And I would watch all the shows there.
And I wanted to do stand-up.
And I asked...
Dane Cook was there one night.
And I asked him after one of my shows.
I was like, I want to do stand-up, but I'm 17. I don't know if I'm allowed to.
And he was like, you can do it.
And he was like, Jamie, she's 17. Can she do the open mic?
And Jamie's like, how the fuck are you inside this club?
And I was like, I don't know.
I'm actually 18, maybe.
And so then I went home and I wrote that first set and I signed up the next week.
I was too late to the sign up, so I had to sign up the next week.
joe rogan
So I guess my first open mic- But he said, how the fuck are you in the club?
unidentified
Yeah.
joe rogan
And then he didn't recognize you when you came to the club again?
ali macofsky
He wasn't there for the open mic, but he said if you're underage, you can do the open mic because it's during the day.
It's like 2 p.m.
on a Tuesday or something.
joe rogan
Is it really?
ali macofsky
Yeah.
joe rogan
What kind of crowd do they have?
ali macofsky
It's tourists who are going there to sign up for open mics.
That was how it was when I was there.
I don't know if it's...
joe rogan
Well, they always have the weird thing where they made everybody line up around the corner and wait all day.
ali macofsky
And everyone's just driving by like, who are these?
unidentified
Yeah.
joe rogan
That was a weird strategy of making people line up and you had to keep your place in line.
So if you wanted it, you had to stay out there all day long.
What time did the lineup start?
ali macofsky
I think the lineup started at, no, it started at like 2pm.
joe rogan
Oh, okay.
ali macofsky
So it's like, it's everyone who doesn't have a job is signing up for this open mic.
joe rogan
And then you're signing up for the next week, right?
ali macofsky
Which starts at like 6pm or something like that, maybe 5pm.
joe rogan
But you're not signing up for the same week, right?
ali macofsky
No, you're signing up for the following week.
So the first time I got there just to sign up to perform the following week, I got there like an hour early and there were already 16 people in line and they only take like the first 15. Really?
So then the next time I got there, I got there like three hours early, packed a lunch just in case.
And then I did my first open mic.
But I didn't do it again for like a year and a half after that.
joe rogan
What made you decide you wanted to be a comic?
ali macofsky
Um...
joe rogan
Did you have a comic that you admired?
ali macofsky
I looked up to Dane Cook.
My sister would pick me up from school in fifth grade and she would be playing his albums.
It was the funniest shit I had ever heard.
It was jokes that I would quote.
I was like, that's so cool that someone could tell jokes that people just say in day-to-day life.
joe rogan
How old were you at this time?
ali macofsky
Fifth grade, so like maybe 10. Yeah.
And then when I was in high school, I would go to the Laugh Factory all the time and I looked up to D'Elia and I would watch him perform all the time.
And I remember I was going there so often that Dom Herrera was like, are you stalking me?
While he's on stage, he's like, are you stalking me?
And I was like, I just want to be you, Dom.
And so I think I just knew.
I was so naive that one day I was at the Laugh Factory and they were doing a new material night.
And I was like, these people aren't just coming up with this off the cuff.
They're writing and working on it.
That means that if I write and work on it, then I can do it.
And so that's when I went up to Dane Cook after a show and was like, how do I do this?
joe rogan
Wow.
ali macofsky
And he was really nice about it.
joe rogan
So it was eight years ago then.
ali macofsky
Uh, yeah.
Yeah, eight years ago I did my very first open mic.
unidentified
Oh.
ali macofsky
Yeah.
joe rogan
And did you know immediately after you did it, this is what I want to do?
ali macofsky
Oh, yeah.
unidentified
Oh, yeah.
joe rogan
Did you get any laughs?
ali macofsky
Yeah.
joe rogan
Did you?
ali macofsky
I have the video on my computer.
joe rogan
Do you remember your first joke?
ali macofsky
Yep.
I'm not going to say it.
I am not going to say it.
joe rogan
You don't have to.
ali macofsky
But it was bad, but I think I told the jokes in a way that was confident.
Well, no, actually it wasn't.
No, I take that all back.
I was shaking on stage so bad.
joe rogan
Was it the first time you'd ever done anything scary like that?
ali macofsky
Yeah, the first time I really put myself out there in that way.
joe rogan
But you did the radio.
ali macofsky
But that was pre-recorded.
I was in a studio.
I would show up.
They're telling me who I'm calling, what the point of the phone call is.
It felt like a controlled environment.
If a call didn't work out, they scrapped the call, we'd call another place.
joe rogan
Seriously though, imagine if you did become successful and you had to give Ryan Seacrest 20% forever.
It just sits with you.
ali macofsky
I don't know what that would have looked like.
joe rogan
Hell.
ali macofsky
Yeah.
joe rogan
You'd be pimped out forever.
He'd be calling you.
You know, I got a lot of people that I'm getting 20% from, Allie, but I'm not getting much from you.
Let's see some movement.
ali macofsky
Sorry, Ryan.
Sorry, Ryan.
joe rogan
Come on, get to work.
ali macofsky
Yeah, that would have been awful.
That would have been so much stress.
joe rogan
But he does that.
He did it with the Kardashians, right?
He produced the show.
I think he made some sort of weird deal where he gets a percentage of them.
ali macofsky
Oh, I bet.
joe rogan
Gets a piece of the action.
ali macofsky
I bet.
But they're bringing in a lot of money.
joe rogan
Oh, a spectacular amount of money.
ali macofsky
Oh yeah.
joe rogan
But they're not going to do it anymore, apparently.
ali macofsky
I think people were upset about that because they made it seem like they were done with it, but I believe they are still producing a show but on a different network.
unidentified
Oh.
jamie vernon
So many.
20 seasons of it.
joe rogan
Jesus.
So do you think they probably want to cut Ryan Seacrest out?
Probably get tired of this shit.
unidentified
Maybe.
jamie vernon
They can have their own streaming app probably, right?
joe rogan
Something like that.
Oh, if they did that?
Jesus Christ.
If they just did some OnlyFans type deal.
jamie vernon
Yeah, I mean...
joe rogan
Or Patreon.
Yeah.
unidentified
Yeah.
joe rogan
A lot of people went the Patreon route.
ali macofsky
People make big money on that.
joe rogan
Oh, yeah.
ali macofsky
Tim Dillon's making like 100K a month on that.
joe rogan
Why are you writing him out?
ali macofsky
It says it on his profile if you just look at it.
Yeah, it's public.
joe rogan
Tim's balling.
ali macofsky
I know.
joe rogan
He's balling out of control.
He moved to Texas.
ali macofsky
He's out here?
joe rogan
Oh, yeah.
ali macofsky
Nice.
joe rogan
You knew it, right?
ali macofsky
Everyone's out here.
joe rogan
A lot of people are out here.
Segura moved out here.
ali macofsky
They're officially moved.
But they're still in LA right now.
joe rogan
To the end of the month.
ali macofsky
Yeah.
unidentified
Woo!
ali macofsky
It's exciting.
unidentified
Woo!
ali macofsky
All your friends.
unidentified
Everybody.
joe rogan
Joey Diaz is not, though.
He's in New Jersey eating pizza.
He likes Jersey.
ali macofsky
Yeah.
unidentified
Yeah.
joe rogan
I don't know.
ali macofsky
I guess that's the thing.
People realize they can kind of be anywhere now.
joe rogan
To some extent.
You can to some extent.
Joey was not a Hollywood guy.
And once he became successful with his podcast and stand-up, he does not like that acting world of dealing with...
You know, people that are...
Let's just be kind and say disingenuous.
You know, he would get so angry.
He fucking hated them.
unidentified
Yeah.
joe rogan
He would get so mad.
These fucking actors.
He would just get so furious.
Because he's just like, you know, this former criminal.
He's an ex-con, you know?
He's a felon.
It's like his...
ali macofsky
Can't relate to the pretty boys and girls acting.
joe rogan
You can't relate to bullshit.
ali macofsky
Yeah.
joe rogan
It's not pretty.
It's just bullshitters.
unidentified
Mm-hmm.
joe rogan
You know?
It's just a weird environment, you know?
ali macofsky
Do you know if he's doing shows out there or if he's laying low right now?
joe rogan
Yeah, he's been doing shows.
ali macofsky
How often are you able to get up out here?
joe rogan
As much as I want.
During the Chappelle shows, we're doing quite a few.
I do regular shows in town here.
Yeah.
But right now, I'm busy trying to get the club up and running.
And once the club gets up and running, once all the pieces are in place, you know, it's quite a project, the idea of starting a comedy club.
ali macofsky
Yeah, that seems like a lot of work.
joe rogan
It does seem like a lot of work, but it also seems exciting, right?
Because it's like something where you're starting it from the ground up.
So it's this completely new thing, and it can kind of go a lot of different ways, and a lot of different things can happen.
And it's like new things, completely new things where you don't know what's going to happen one way or the other.
Those things are very exciting.
It's scary, but it's exciting.
ali macofsky
Are there different rooms in there, or is it one main?
joe rogan
Can't even talk about it.
ali macofsky
Oh, I like that.
joe rogan
Yeah, because some incorrect information is leaked out, but there's a confidentiality agreement in place until everything's Mom's the word.
ali macofsky
Well, I'm excited to see...
It's so crazy that you're doing this and to get to see it all unfold and looking back five years from now and seeing what comes.
joe rogan
Yeah, I think it can be awesome because the goal is to do it the right way and just to make it an awesome place for people to work and an awesome place for people to see comedy.
So make it as fun and as comfortable for the comics as possible, as welcoming to the comics as possible.
You know, I want to set up a restaurant there so people can, like comics can eat there too.
ali macofsky
Yeah.
joe rogan
Good food because comics are all unhealthy.
ali macofsky
Kind of like a comedy cellar vibe.
joe rogan
I don't know.
I haven't been in a cellar since the 90s.
But just something where it's like there's healthy food.
It's a warm, inviting environment.
So even if you're not, like say if you're working somewhere else, when your set's over, just come down.
Like people will be there hanging out.
It'll be fun.
There's going to be a whole comedian's bar, like the back bar of the store that I'm setting up.
I'm making it so that it's as welcoming and as fun for comics as possible.
And the whole idea is just to make it so that I can, as a service to comedians and to comedy.
ali macofsky
Are you in a rush to get it done or are you just taking your time with it?
joe rogan
I want to do it right.
I mean, I don't want to take too long, but I want to do it right.
That's as much time as it takes to do it right.
But I just want to get it going, you know?
I just feel like I've just stopped and thought about all the things that I loved about the store and all the things I loved about other places and all the things that I wish that comedy clubs had.
And so I'm taking it from there.
And design it from the jump.
You've got to have a place where comics can chill and they don't get bombarded by people.
Because there's always weirdos who want to sit next to you and take pictures of you.
It just gets too weird sometimes.
Especially when you're preparing to do a show.
There's some clubs.
Here's a perfect example.
The hallway to the OR. It's an impossible place to be.
Impossible.
Everybody's talking out in the hallway, and if you have a set, there's always someone who wants to grab you and, hey, can I take a selfie?
Like, literally about to go on stage.
ali macofsky
Yeah.
joe rogan
Or, you know...
ali macofsky
And then you have to be like a dick right before you perform.
joe rogan
Because the bathrooms are right there.
You're standing in the hallway so the people are going down there.
ali macofsky
And people can see you in the hallway and then they get up and they walk over.
joe rogan
Yeah.
And they don't care if you have your notes.
They don't care.
So you have to hide.
So you can either stand in that little waitress stand, which you're always in the way.
The waitresses are trying to go, excuse me, excuse me, I'm sorry.
You know, and then...
It's just that the way the OR is set up, the inside is fucking amazing.
It's one of the greatest inside clubs, but it's the worst setup of all time.
And then the waitresses have to go through all those fuckheads to get to the stage with the drinks and not have them spill.
So they have to come out of that back bar and then walk through the swinging doors and then go down the hall and then up the stairs.
ali macofsky
It's ridiculous.
joe rogan
It's narrow.
And what's even worse?
The fucking belly room.
They have to hike it.
Up that crazy flight of stairs with drinks.
Those girls must have some fucking jack legs because they're walking up there with these stacks of drinks.
And then you have this insanely tight room where you're supposed to have 70 people, but you always have 100. Yeah, it's packed up.
Yeah, it's always ridiculous.
And so many people are standing.
In the back area, we used to do stand-up on the spot.
Everybody would be standing in the back because there was no more seats.
ali macofsky
Because all the comics come up and they're just watching.
unidentified
Right.
joe rogan
Yeah, so there's places, there's things about the store that I thought were perfect, and there's things that the store, like, this needs to be fixed.
ali macofsky
Yeah.
joe rogan
So I'm going to apply that information.
unidentified
That's cool.
joe rogan
But most important, make it as comic-friendly as possible.
unidentified
Yeah.
joe rogan
Make it so they feel like this is home.
ali macofsky
Home.
joe rogan
Like they feel comfortable there.
ali macofsky
Because it's so special.
Once you find that in a club, it's like you have better sets because you feel comfortable, you're relaxed, you know the people there, you know how you're going to be treated when you get there.
And then you can just be let loose on stage.
There's nothing to think about in terms of like...
joe rogan
Exactly.
Yeah.
That's the goal.
ali macofsky
Yeah.
joe rogan
Well, you know, if there was a place like that already here, I wouldn't have to open up a place.
It'd be awesome.
But right now there's, you know, smaller places that are trying to kind of getting together and figuring it out.
But the scene here is tight.
It's strong.
And it feels good.
And because all these people are moving here, it's got a lot of energy to it.
It feels like it's very energized.
ali macofsky
Yeah, it's very exciting.
Like, walking around.
I went to Vulcan, the Creek in the Cave, and Paramount Theater, and just walking around the city is just really fun.
joe rogan
Yeah.
ali macofsky
Everyone's fired up.
joe rogan
Yeah, it's whenever something new is happening, you know, and there's like this exodus to Austin.
ali macofsky
Texodus.
joe rogan
Yeah.
ali macofsky
That's what I heard.
Someone said Texodus.
joe rogan
That's a good name.
That's what it's like, though.
And because of that, just things are stimulated.
There's like a feeling in the air of newness, of novelty.
Like, wow.
Because you don't usually get a chance to be at something where something is really happening right now.
ali macofsky
Mm-hmm.
joe rogan
And because of COVID, everything was kind of forced to happen, you know, especially with Los Angeles still hasn't opened up comedy clubs, which is fucking crazy.
I don't know what's going to happen June 15th, but apparently they're going to open up a lot of things.
But I don't know what that means.
ali macofsky
But I think at a very limited capacity.
joe rogan
Is that what it is?
ali macofsky
I think so.
joe rogan
I don't think that's what they're saying.
ali macofsky
I thought they said like 15 or 20% capacity.
joe rogan
June 15th?
ali macofsky
But, oh...
joe rogan
No, I don't think so.
I think June 15th, what California is basically saying is they're going to open everything up on June 15th.
Because that's quite a while from now.
It's two months.
I think the idea is that everybody will either be vaccinated or dead or starve to death.
And then they'll figure out a way to open it up.
unidentified
It's not funny.
joe rogan
Don't laugh.
Don't laugh at death.
unidentified
Yeah.
joe rogan
I don't know.
And it's also, he's getting recalled.
I mean, you want to be cynical.
The governor's getting recalled.
ali macofsky
What does that mean?
joe rogan
They're going to have another election.
ali macofsky
Oh, yeah.
joe rogan
They're going to try to get him out of office.
So because of that, I'm sure that had a motivation to get him to do things quicker.
unidentified
Yeah.
ali macofsky
For sure.
But that's also, it's like he keeps going back and forth.
It's so hard to keep track.
That's why I'm like, oh, I think it's 20% because one time I read that it was and then it's going to be like 75%.
joe rogan
Imagine if the comedy store opened up and 200 armed cops were there like that, like that church.
That's the kind of shit you're dealing with with government.
Government is supposed to be people that are working for the community.
They're supposed to be working for people.
As soon as shit like that happens with that church, you realize like, oh, this is what happens when people think they're just allowed to tell people what to do and other people have to listen and it's mindless and the compliance is mindless.
That's what it is.
And they think they're doing it for a good reason.
See, the thing about COVID is it's like one of the best reasons.
Like you're putting other people at risk.
You're putting other people in danger.
So therefore, we're going to shoot you.
We're going to show up with 200 cops and fucking mace you.
It's just so weird.
It's such a weird year.
We had to rethink society.
And the vulnerability of our civilization has been exposed in a way that you would never think that something that...
It has a 99-point-whatever-percent survival rate would expose.
You would never believe...
I mean, what is the actual...
It's hard to tell.
I've heard it's like a one-tenth of one percent death rate, if you want to really be honest about it.
I don't know what it is.
But whatever it is, it's less than one percent of the people who get it die, and it just wrecked the entire country.
unidentified
Yeah.
joe rogan
It's wild.
unidentified
Yeah.
ali macofsky
And I imagine something, don't you think something like this is likely to happen again at some point in the future?
Like, do you think that this event will help the way that we go about it again?
Or do you think it's one of those things where history repeats itself and no one will really learn?
joe rogan
We'll be better prepared.
There's two things that can happen.
You can be cynical.
Here's the cynical perspective.
The cynical perspective is that it becomes an incremental power grab.
So, like, there's a lot of things that happened after 9-11 where the government stepped in and started doing a lot of shit that they were never doing before.
before like the NSA wiretapping where there's just overall broad widespread surveillance of the American people that Edward Snowden exposed and that WikiLeaks is sort of exposed and all these different whistleblowers have exposed there's a lot of shit going on that they
It allows them to do a lot of things without needing warrants, without needing a lot of what they normally would have used before September 11th.
But because of the Patriot Act, then the Patriot Act II, they were allowed to do all this shit.
And the justification was, hey, we don't ever want a terrorist attack like that to happen again.
So then the TSA is in place, right?
And then the TSA is telling you, you know, you have to take your fucking shoes off because some dude tried to blow his shoes up.
And, you know, everyone's getting constantly checked and frisked and let me look in your bag and...
ali macofsky
It's, yeah, I was watching the Snowden movie that Joseph Gordon-Levitt is in, and I was always kind of the person who's like, who cares if the government's looking at my phone?
Like, I've got nothing to hide.
And that movie kind of made me realize, like, it's not about that you have nothing to hide.
It's the fact that you should be able to Google whatever you want.
joe rogan
Yeah.
ali macofsky
And not have anyone, like...
Privacy is important, even if you think you have nothing to hide.
It's like it can all be kind of used against you in some way or another.
joe rogan
And it can be used against you disingenuously.
unidentified
Yeah.
joe rogan
Like, you could look up how to get rid of a body.
It doesn't mean you're a murderer.
ali macofsky
I've looked it up.
joe rogan
I have to.
But if you're thinking around, like, how does one get rid of a body?
Hmm.
You just can't have people that have that kind of power over other people.
It's the same thing as those 200 cops showing up at the church.
Why are they doing that?
Because they haven't thought it through.
And that's what people do when they have power over people.
Did you see that cop that pulled over an officer in the army, a guy who was a lieutenant?
And was yelling at him, the guy was nothing but polite, wound up macing them, wound up macing him, macing the officer, pulled him out of the car, assaulted him, like fucking manhandled him for nothing, did nothing, maced his dog, his fucking dog got maced, and then had to let him go, because the guy did nothing wrong.
And now they fired the cop.
But just imagine that this is happening where people aren't getting filmed, All across the country for years and years and years and years and years.
Why?
Because we've allowed people to have this unfettered power, this unstopped power, and some people are just terrible at that.
Now, if that guy got pulled over by a great cop, First of all, maybe a great cop would have never even pulled him over.
But if we got to see that, hello, sir, how are you doing this evening?
And the guy said, oh, I see you're in the service.
What rank are you?
I'm a lieutenant.
Thank you for your service.
And then all of a sudden they have this nice conversation.
Oh, I thought this was going on, but apparently I'm wrong.
Have a good day, sir.
And everybody's like, oh...
A cop experience can be friendly and positive.
Now that's a lot of the experiences that people have with police officers, but you never get to see those.
Because the ones that horrify people are the ones that go viral, like this one.
ali macofsky
I think because you would expect the police to be looking out for you and be treating you in the way of that.
joe rogan
Those fucking cops.
So many cops have PTSD. They're all whacked out.
There's a giant percentage of them.
I don't know what the number is, but how many cops have seen people murdered?
How many cops have seen pulled up on car accidents and suicides?
ali macofsky
Yeah.
joe rogan
Child molestations and all the fucking horrific shit they see.
How many lost friends?
How many have been shot at?
How many have been in gunfights?
And then every day, is this the last day of their life?
And they're all hopped up and stressed out and fucked up.
ali macofsky
Yeah.
joe rogan
And then, you know, some of them are not bright, too.
How about that?
Some of them are great.
Some of them are brilliant.
They know how to handle people.
They have good psychology.
They're good, solid people with solid character.
And other ones are just shitbags that wanted to be tough guys.
And now they got a gun and a badge and they can tell you what to do.
And they will, get on the fucking floor!
Get on the floor!
And you're like, Jesus Christ.
And you've seen it.
We've all seen it.
We've all seen those videos.
ali macofsky
Yeah.
Do you get out of, like, tickets or anything?
joe rogan
If I did, I wouldn't tell.
I'll tell you all fair.
ali macofsky
Okay.
joe rogan
I'm not a bad guy.
ali macofsky
No, of course not.
joe rogan
What are you trying to say?
ali macofsky
Nothing.
jamie vernon
I watched City of Lies over the weekend, which is about...
It's Johnny Depp, Forrest Whitaker.
The movie was made four years ago, maybe.
joe rogan
What was that?
Oh, that's the one about the biggie...
Yeah.
jamie vernon
I looked up afterwards how much of what they put in the movie is true or based off of fact.
It seems like almost all of the movie is based off of fact.
joe rogan
It's about the Rampart division, right?
jamie vernon
I didn't want to spoil this thing, but that's where there's a line, apparently, according to the movie, that's drawn where there was a cop that could have said...
This is what it really is, but they went with the Rampart thing anyway, which buried all of this other information and evidence and all sorts of stuff.
joe rogan
Oh, you spoiler alerted us.
Fucked it up already.
jamie vernon
Sorry, the book's been out for 15 years.
joe rogan
Son of a bitch.
Yeah, but the movie hasn't.
jamie vernon
The movie's been out for a long time.
I didn't spoil much of the story.
joe rogan
It's been out for an hour.
Nobody's seen that movie.
jamie vernon
No one's going to not watch the movie because I just said that.
joe rogan
You just ruined it for everyone.
ali macofsky
I'm never watching it, Jamie.
unidentified
I'm so sorry.
ali macofsky
You really killed my vibe today.
joe rogan
There was a good article about that whole thing in Rolling Stone a bunch of years ago.
jamie vernon
So the guy who wrote the book probably wrote that article.
He was a Rolling Stone contributor.
That's who Forrest Whitaker's character is.
The movie is an LA Times writer.
I don't know what they kind of fudged there.
Fucking crazy story.
joe rogan
Yeah, it's a crazy story.
ali macofsky
What's it called City of Lies?
jamie vernon
Yeah.
There's a book called Labyrinth, I believe.
L-A-B, like Labyrinth.
joe rogan
Well, it's a perfect example of cops out of control.
The Rampart Division was out of fucking control.
And this is coming from a friend of mine who was an L.A. police department guy.
He worked for the cops.
And he was telling me, why couldn't I say officer?
The word officer, I couldn't find it.
unidentified
Officer.
joe rogan
He was an officer.
He was telling me how fucking out of control they were.
He's like, these guys just saw a lot of people making millions of dollars selling drugs.
They saw murders.
They saw these different things.
And then cops got paid to do detail.
So meaning they got paid to do security at a lot of these places where criminals were doing things.
Whether it's people in the rap industry or whatever industry they were in.
And then they got closer to some of these criminals and then some of the cops became...
That's one of the things that happens to undercover drug dealers or undercover DEA agents.
Sometimes they turn because they realize, like, Jesus Christ, what am I doing?
I'm making $50,000 a year.
This guy's making $50,000 an hour.
What is happening here?
Why am I wasting my time?
And then they turn and they wound up doing these...
They wind up, one of the things that happens is you're undercover and you're pretending you're a drug dealer.
And then you just become a fucking drug dealer.
ali macofsky
Yeah.
It's like, what's the other movie like that with, I think, Denzel Washington?
jamie vernon
Training Day.
ali macofsky
I just watched that for the first time.
joe rogan
Yeah, that's a great fucking movie.
ali macofsky
That's a great fucking movie.
I was clenched the whole time.
joe rogan
Yeah, that's a great fucking movie.
ali macofsky
It's so good.
jamie vernon
That might be about the rampart.
ali macofsky
I think so.
jamie vernon
It's loosely based off of it.
joe rogan
Well, undercover cops becoming corrupt and corruption in police departments is as old as time.
There's always been a problem with it.
And the documentary The 7-5 is an amazing example of that.
It's a fucking incredible movie.
That's Tiller Russell's documentary.
He's the same guy who did the movie...
What is the...
Silk Road.
Yeah, Silk Road, but the other one.
Odessa.
Operation Odessa.
jamie vernon
Oh, yeah, yeah.
That's another documentary.
joe rogan
That's amazing.
That's another documentary that he did about...
I don't even want to tell you what it's about.
I just want you to watch it.
unidentified
Okay.
joe rogan
What's it called?
Operation Odessa.
unidentified
Okay.
joe rogan
It's wild.
ali macofsky
Where do I watch it?
joe rogan
Netflix.
Netflix, yeah.
unidentified
Okay.
joe rogan
Netflix.
But...
The 7-5 is a great insight into how it goes wrong with cops.
Because this guy, Mike Dowd, who's sort of the main protagonist, he's a bad guy.
It's like he becomes a bad guy almost right away.
And then it gets worse and worse and worse as the story goes on.
As he gets deeper and deeper involved in corruption, next thing you know, he's like, he's...
He's selling drugs, he's robbing drug dealers, and it's madness driving a Corvette to work, and everybody's like, where the fuck are you getting this money?
They were just living like crazy people, doing coke on the job, and they're cops.
And this was rampant.
Have you seen Cocaine Cowboys?
ali macofsky
Uh-uh.
joe rogan
Oh my God.
That's the best.
That's the best.
The best corruption.
Like, see how things go wrong with crime and cops.
The entire one year, the entire graduating class of the police department in Miami either was murdered or went to jail.
The entire graduating class.
ali macofsky
Whoa.
joe rogan
They were just wild people.
And everyone was doing coke, and everyone was selling coke, and the cops were corrupt.
ali macofsky
What year was this, roughly?
joe rogan
80s.
80s.
Miami Vice days.
ali macofsky
Good time for coke and...
joe rogan
Well, that's what made Miami.
My friend did his residency there.
He's an ophthalmologist.
And he said it was the fucking craziest place to be.
He said every day you see people with a knife in their back, gunshots, this, that.
It was just cocaine murders, cartel murders.
It was just...
Chaos.
And he was in the emergency room because, you know, he was a young med student.
So he's dealing with this just all day, day in, day out.
And he had pictures.
This is back when you had, like, Polaroids.
ali macofsky
ER doctors.
That's nuts.
joe rogan
Yeah, it's nuts.
ali macofsky
Because you never know what you're going to get.
joe rogan
Especially when you're dealing with cocaine wars.
ali macofsky
And now it's all fentanyl.
joe rogan
You need to watch Cocaine Cowboys.
unidentified
Okay.
joe rogan
And there's Cocaine Cowboys too.
ali macofsky
Oh, the sequel.
unidentified
Both of them.
ali macofsky
More coke, more cowboys.
joe rogan
Billy Corbin is one of the best documentary makers of all time.
He's amazing.
He's a guy out of Miami.
I've had him on the podcast a couple of times.
He's all...
Also did this great documentary on steroids and baseball with A-Rod called Screwball, where he used little kids to play the roles of the steroid dealer and the baseball player.
Used little kids, and the little kids would lip-sync what these guys actually had said in real life.
It's the most...
It's a creative and interesting way to make a documentary, but he's like child actors, like a child actor to pretend he's A-Rod, a child actor to pretend he's a steroid doctor.
It's hilarious.
ali macofsky
I'll watch it.
joe rogan
That's it.
So he has little kids in all the roles.
So he's got a little kid that plays the doctor, and it's like...
How did you even think?
That's a little kid that plays A-Rod.
And you're like, how did you think to do this?
It's such a brilliant way of putting together a movie that is so unusual, but it makes it funny.
And the story's so crazy.
You're like, is this all true?
And it is all true.
ali macofsky
And a kid is telling you that it's true.
unidentified
Yeah.
joe rogan
So he did that, but he also did Cocaine Cowboys 1 and 2. And those are two of my all-time favorite documentaries.
ali macofsky
I'll watch it.
joe rogan
You have to.
ali macofsky
I'm down.
joe rogan
Now you must.
Okay.
Why are we arguing?
unidentified
I don't know.
Jesus.
ali macofsky
I have to go pee really bad.
joe rogan
Oh, do you?
We should go pee.
ali macofsky
I was going to bring a diaper because last time I had to go pee, I was like, maybe I'll just really commit to sitting.
joe rogan
You don't need to do that.
ali macofsky
Okay, I'll be right back.
joe rogan
Go pee.
ali macofsky
Don't talk badly about me.
joe rogan
We won't.
ali macofsky
Okay, I'll listen back to the episode.
joe rogan
No, there's a fucking TV screen out there.
You can listen to us.
ali macofsky
Oh, okay.
unidentified
Yeah.
ali macofsky
Okay.
joe rogan
So as you walk out...
jamie vernon
It's a long walk.
joe rogan
Alright, we can talk shit the moment she shuts the door and she'll have about 30 seconds where she won't be able to hear us.
So what's going on, Jamie?
Anything else new?
jamie vernon
No, that movie was surprisingly good, I would say.
joe rogan
And that movie was delayed because of all the scandals with Johnny Depp.
He apparently won't, according to Stanhope, Stanhope's buddies with him, he won't let this lawsuit go.
jamie vernon
I would cynically say, yeah, sure, that's why it was put on the shelf.
But after watching the movie, you'd be like, I don't know.
Maybe they didn't want the movie out because...
They're splitting out all the details, but the book is out, I don't know.
joe rogan
You're going all cloak and dagger on me, Jamie.
jamie vernon
It's fun to go that way.
joe rogan
You do love to go cloak and dagger, though.
jamie vernon
Why not?
joe rogan
One day, ladies and gentlemen, Jamie will release a documentary.
He's been working on a cloak and dagger case of utmost importance.
jamie vernon
I don't know about that important.
joe rogan
Well, it's interesting.
I would say it's clearly a bit of an obsession with you.
jamie vernon
No, because I like...
joe rogan
No, obsession's a bad word.
jamie vernon
Yeah, because I don't look up information.
I don't even try looking into it.
joe rogan
But obsession sounds negative.
I shouldn't say a passion project.
jamie vernon
A focus.
joe rogan
A focus.
unidentified
Yeah, yeah, yeah.
joe rogan
A focus.
Yeah.
jamie vernon
I'll put it down for three or four months at a time.
joe rogan
But you're the guy that I always...
If you and I are talking about a story, you're always like, yeah, but maybe.
You're the yeah, but maybe guy.
jamie vernon
Yeah.
Especially after listening to that book that War is a Racket, it's very quick.
I listen to the audiobook in 45 minutes.
It's a 50-page book.
Hearing him talk about things from 100 years ago in the context of today, you're like, did he write this yesterday?
joe rogan
I know, it's nuts.
jamie vernon
And he didn't know about X amount like World War II, Vietnam, Korean War.
All these wars didn't exist before.
joe rogan
It's always been like that.
I think that's Nero burnt Rome.
They've always done things to try to force people into wars and to force people to be compliant.
I mean, Operation Northwoods in the 1960s, they were going to blow up jet airliners and blame it on the Cubans and force us into war with Cuba.
That's, you know, Hitler burned the Reichstag.
They've always done things like this.
People have always done sneaky shit in order to get people to do what they want them to do, in order to start military actions.
jamie vernon
That was quick.
That was very quick.
joe rogan
What are you, a bucket?
You just, like, open the bucket and dump it out?
unidentified
Was it quick?
joe rogan
That was crazy quick.
unidentified
How long?
jamie vernon
It was powerful.
I started another one, which I'm a grain of salt.
I almost put it down because I was like, this is a little bit much.
It's from the 70s.
None Dare Call a Conspiracy or something like that, I think is what it's called.
joe rogan
Oh, what is that?
jamie vernon
It's written by someone from the government, like a congressman.
Almost the same book written like 60 years later, a little bit longer, talking about how the media doesn't talk about conspiracies because it's all a conspiracy.
joe rogan
What do you think they're going to write about this Jeffrey Epstein shit?
You want to talk about one of the craziest conspiracies of our time?
I mean this one reads like a fucking movie.
You got a guy who's supposedly a billionaire that is probably working for some intelligence agencies, maybe foreign intelligence agencies.
He flies wealthy people, famous people, scientists, technological people.
He flies them all to the island where they may or may not have fucked underage girls that they set up with cameras.
So they filmed heads of state, billionaires, all these people on an island.
Fucking underage girls, allegedly.
They catch him, he goes to jail, but gets the most gentle slap on the wrist sentence ever.
Journalists start trying to figure out why the fuck does he get this little slap on the wrist sentence?
This goes on for years, and finally, from people writing stories about it, they arrest him again.
This time, he's going down.
And when people realize he's going down, they kill him in jail.
And then there's stories about all these different hedge fund people that give him millions of dollars.
Some guy gave him a fucking house in Manhattan worth 60 million bucks.
All these different people are involved in it.
Bill Gates had visited with him and after he'd gotten arrested the first time, had been involved with him.
All these different people have done things with him.
All these different people have been to parties at his house.
All these different people.
It's fucking wild.
And then the guy gets murdered in jail when he's about to testify.
And all the cameras are broken.
ali macofsky
Yeah, it doesn't matter.
joe rogan
Oh no, he killed himself.
Sorry, sorry, he killed himself.
ali macofsky
What happened?
What's going on with Jizz Lane?
joe rogan
She's for sure going to sing if they let her, but who knows?
ali macofsky
Yeah.
joe rogan
I mean, once they killed Jeffrey Epstein in jail and then pretended that he killed himself, which is kind of hilarious.
Hilarious how the cameras were broken.
I mean, it really is like a scene in a movie, right?
Oh, the cameras are broken.
Didn't work.
How did he kill himself?
unidentified
Well, I guess he just hung himself or something.
ali macofsky
Do you think everyone who is in the guest book or whatever who flew there was involved?
Or do you think some of the trips were innocent?
joe rogan
I think for sure some people were probably innocent.
Some people were probably coerced into doing something.
They were probably compromised.
You know, especially you get like these nerd scientists and you get them around hot girls.
I mean, they're probably like...
You probably can't believe these girls are even talking to them, even if they don't do anything with them.
They're taking pictures with them, these girls are hugging them, and they want to go back again.
And they're getting free food and a free plane ride, and then they're getting grants, right?
So they're getting money to do these things.
I was talking to a scientist about it, and he goes, it wasn't even a lot of money.
He goes, give them like, you know, a million dollars for this thing, a million dollars to that thing, to this guy that's supposed to be worth a billion dollars.
For him, it's probably a pretty easy investment to get close to these people and to bring them to these parties and take photos with them, always taking photos of people.
It's dark because if you want to believe the people that were told to give him a slap on the wrist the first time, what they had said was that he was above their pay grade and that he was someone that was protected.
He was intelligent.
What was the one guy who had a quote about it?
Remember that?
We talked about it.
The guy that said that I was told that he was intelligent.
jamie vernon
That's basically the quote, yeah.
Yeah.
I've discovered.
I'm looking up information on Ghislaine.
And there's a new website that's popped up today.
ali macofsky
Whoa.
jamie vernon
Run by her family called RealGhislaine.com.
joe rogan
The RealGhislaine.com?
jamie vernon
I guess they're trying to battle the smears the media has painted about her.
joe rogan
Okay, but how do they know?
One-dimensional character.
They've known the real Ghislaine all her life, not the fictional, one-dimensional character created by the media.
jamie vernon
It says this website was popped up to counter some toilet-flushing smears about her, where she's not flushing her toilet or something like that at her gender jail cell.
joe rogan
So she decided that's how she's going to protest, by not flushing?
jamie vernon
That's part, I mean, maybe the media's putting that out about her, so it makes her seem...
joe rogan
They probably broke her toilet, and then they're like, this dirty bitch doesn't even flush her toilet.
Look, it doesn't work!
Probably took the plunger out, the whole thing.
ali macofsky
I love that they're outraged about the toilet comment, but her being, you know, an apprentice to sex trafficking.
They're like, we can let that slide, but if she's clogging the toilets, we need to clear her name.
joe rogan
If they have the kind of power and the kind of influence that you would imagine they have, because you have all these people that are on that fly list, Bill Clinton flew, I think, 26, 28 times, which is kind of crazy.
I mean, have you ever flown with your mom 28 times?
ali macofsky
No.
It's like they say, if you go to the barber shop long enough, you're going to get a haircut.
You keep hanging around the barber shop.
What do you know?
You have a buzz cut.
joe rogan
We had a nice plane.
jamie vernon
There was that weird public troll they did too with her when everyone was looking for her.
Right.
Yeah, she was at In-N-Out in the valley reading this book.
joe rogan
And she had a book about people in the CIA that are killed.
jamie vernon
What was that about?
joe rogan
Yeah.
What was the title of the book again?
jamie vernon
It was just about CIA agents that had gotten...
I don't remember the title of the book.
I tried to find it again recently.
joe rogan
At In-N-Out, staring right at the camera, clearly aware someone was photographing her.
ali macofsky
So creepy.
joe rogan
It's wild shit.
And then they find her in a cabin in New Hampshire.
What is this, a Tom Clancy book?
What is this?
ali macofsky
It's so weird.
What is going on at this moment that we just have no idea about?
There's got to be young Epsteins out there who...
joe rogan
Maybe.
But this is, like, it's bigger than that because, like, he got all these celebrities to come and hang with him.
Like, the people on the list that flew with him, it's pretty substantial.
ali macofsky
It's probably to even it out, even out the guest book, make it look a little more normal.
joe rogan
No, I think it's to make it more attractive to all these other people.
I feel like it probably had an interest in science, legitimately, but then on top of that, you can learn a lot about things if you compromise scientists.
I mean, you get the most intelligent people in the world, and you compromise them, and you have access to all kinds of crazy shit.
But it's just so wild.
It reads like a movie.
And you realize, like, oh my god, maybe Alex Jones is right.
It reads like a fucking movie.
jamie vernon
There's two other things.
There's a story today that was on 60 Minutes yesterday about putting a microchip under your skin to test for COVID. It's not an injection.
I don't want to freak you out like that, but I looked it up myself.
It's there.
joe rogan
So it's a test.
And what is it, attached to an app?
jamie vernon
That part I don't understand.
It just says it will allow the user to know that you need to go get a rapid blood test.
I'm like, how is it telling you that?
A buzz?
joe rogan
Just imagine if COVID was way more deadly.
What if it killed like 15% of the people who got it or 20% of the people who got it?
We would be living in China.
We'd basically be living in communist China.
I mean, we would give up all of our rights for safety.
We'd be fucked.
jamie vernon
And there's a little thing up there.
joe rogan
Scroll back up to the title, please.
unidentified
It doesn't say it in the title.
joe rogan
Military programs aiming to end pandemics forever.
Bill Whittaker reports on Pentagon products that help combat COVID-19, help end pandemics forever.
And these are microchips.
And they'll put that microchip inside you, and that'll stop the pandemic, Allie.
Because then when we know you have it, we'll come and get you and lock you up in a jail.
unidentified
Yeah.
Yeah.
joe rogan
And give you jail food.
ali macofsky
Did you see the movie Kingsman, The Secret Service?
joe rogan
No.
That's the people shooting people and stabbing people and doing karate.
ali macofsky
Yeah, but pretty much they're like...
Did you see it, Jamie?
joe rogan
They're like super James Bonds, right?
But they're kids, right?
jamie vernon
No, no, no.
They're not kids.
It's in England.
joe rogan
I get turned off by just watching them throw knives at each other and shit.
Didn't they do a bunch of things like that?
ali macofsky
Yeah, but there's a little more to it.
unidentified
There's a little more.
jamie vernon
Samuel L. Jackson's in it.
ali macofsky
Samuel L. Jackson, yeah.
He's like this kind of corrupt dude who everyone thinks is a good guy because he created...
I don't know.
He's like a celebrity.
And then he creates this SIM card for your phone.
He's like, I'm giving away free SIM cards.
Everyone can put it in their phone.
That way, you know, the...
Non-wealthy people can have access to phone usage, whatever.
So everyone's lining up to get these SIM cards in their phone.
And then he has this control and this power in the SIM cards.
When the sound goes off, everyone goes crazy and starts to kill each other.
jamie vernon
No!
ali macofsky
And I watched that movie right before getting the vaccine and I was like, is this my SIM card?
joe rogan
There's so many people that think that Bill Gates is trying to put microchips in people.
ali macofsky
Yeah.
jamie vernon
That's what this article says.
It's like, don't worry, conspiracy heads.
Bill Gates is not trying to put a microchip in you.
joe rogan
So is Bill Gates!
Bill Gates owns more farmland than anybody else on Earth.
ali macofsky
Is that true?
joe rogan
Yep.
He owns more American farmland than anybody else on Earth.
He owns all of it.
He just keeps buying up farmland.
ali macofsky
Bill Gates to table.
joe rogan
I don't like that.
ali macofsky
I don't like that either.
joe rogan
Makes me very uncomfortable.
He's just...
I don't trust a guy who dances the way he dances.
Can't trust him.
ali macofsky
Yeah.
joe rogan
You ever seen him dance?
ali macofsky
No, but he's like an old white guy.
It'd be weird if you saw him pop lock and drop it.
joe rogan
Some old white guys got a little bit of swagger.
ali macofsky
A little shoulder.
They got the shoulder.
joe rogan
They get into it.
You can tell they danced when they were younger a little bit.
Maybe now they've got a bad back, but they're giving it their all.
ali macofsky
He never got invited to any dances.
joe rogan
Jamie, pull up Bill Gates dancing.
jamie vernon
Oh, sorry.
He's only 49th on the list.
ali macofsky
Is Bill Gates on TikTok?
joe rogan
I thought you were about to say he's only 49. I was like, oh my god.
49th on the list of what?
jamie vernon
Landowners.
joe rogan
Oh.
jamie vernon
Size-wise, yeah, that's what it says.
joe rogan
In the United States?
unidentified
Uh-huh.
joe rogan
No, not landowners, farmland.
jamie vernon
Yeah.
joe rogan
No.
Why did they say he's become the number one farmland owner in the country?
There was an article about it just two days ago.
jamie vernon
An article from three days ago.
Bill Gates buys a big farm on shopping, or buys big on farmland shopping spree, and then says Ted Turner is ranked third, Jeff Bezos is 25th, and Gates is in the 49th spot by rising.
joe rogan
Oh, that's weird.
Well, why don't you Google Bill Gates' number one farmland owner in America?
Because there was an article about it just a couple of days ago.
That's so weird that it's 49th and Bezos actually owns more than he does?
And this is farmland?
jamie vernon
Farmland.
ali macofsky
Yeah, I don't like that.
joe rogan
Oh.
jamie vernon
As of January, land reports.
I mean, I don't know if they would have a lot more updated.
joe rogan
Private farmland.
The U.S. assets totaling more than one of the largest.
But not really, because there's 49 people or 48 people ahead of him.
He owns 242,000 acres of American farmlands.
ali macofsky
Mainly in West Texas.
joe rogan
The largest holdings.
Hold on, scroll up a little bit.
Scroll up.
Largest holdings in Louisiana, 69,071 acres.
Arkansas, 47,000.
And Arizona, 25,750.
unidentified
Huh.
joe rogan
I wonder why someone wrote an incorrect article.
jamie vernon
Because it gets clicks?
joe rogan
Oh, that's right.
unidentified
Yeah.
joe rogan
Yeah.
Oh, by the way, folks, there's a bunch of...
There's always going to be that, right?
jamie vernon
Yeah, this does say, a New York Post that says he's now the biggest farmland owner, so...
joe rogan
Yeah, so what does that mean?
unidentified
I don't know.
joe rogan
Fucking New York Post?
How are they getting it wrong like that?
Yeah, that's what I think.
That's not what I read.
That's not the article I read, but it was a similar article somewhere else, I believe.
Huh.
jamie vernon
Weird.
joe rogan
Is this James O'Keefe?
jamie vernon
No, it's different.
joe rogan
Who's O'Keefe?
jamie vernon
Eric O'Keefe.
joe rogan
Eric O'Keefe.
He's got an alt.
Scroll back up again a little.
It says he has an alter ego.
Farmer Bill, the guy who owns more farmland than anyone else in America.
jamie vernon
Yeah, I don't know why it says that.
joe rogan
The land report scoop made headlines.
Dates longstanding interest in climate change sustainability.
It's just odd.
It's odd when someone's a super billionaire and they're just like owning up all the farmland and trying to vaccinate everybody.
ali macofsky
Yeah.
And with farmland, it's like all the food.
joe rogan
What are you doing?
ali macofsky
Yeah.
joe rogan
Are you going to force everybody to eat your farmland burgers?
Are you going to make some weird food?
ali macofsky
Do you have a garden at your place?
unidentified
No.
joe rogan
I should, though.
You should get a greenhouse.
ali macofsky
You should get a goat.
joe rogan
I don't like goats.
unidentified
Okay.
joe rogan
I mean, I don't hate them.
ali macofsky
But they're not your favorite.
joe rogan
I don't have a thing like you do with goats.
ali macofsky
Do you have a weird animal that you really love?
joe rogan
There's a ring-tailed cat in my neighborhood.
ali macofsky
What is that?
joe rogan
Yeah, exactly.
ali macofsky
A ring-tailed cat?
joe rogan
Yeah.
Yeah.
We caught on security camera.
It's really adorable.
This is what they look like.
ali macofsky
Oh, that is so cute.
joe rogan
Yeah, that little guy.
ali macofsky
How did you know it was a ring-tailed cat?
joe rogan
Well, someone who works for me recognized it, and then we started Googling it, and that's the little guy who, or that's the kind of little guy, or little girl, is in our neighborhood.
ali macofsky
Are they friendly, or will they like...
joe rogan
They'll kill you.
They'll bite your face off.
They'll fuck you up and give you rabies.
Look at it.
ali macofsky
Oh, it's so cute.
It kind of looks like an opossum.
I love opossums.
joe rogan
A much larger rat with a super cool tail.
ali macofsky
It's so cute.
joe rogan
It is adorable, right?
It's like a cat fucked a raccoon.
Or a raccoon fucked a cat.
I think the cat would be the bottom, right?
In a raccoon-cat confrontation.
ali macofsky
I don't know.
Cats can be pretty dominant and top energy.
joe rogan
But raccoons are so much bigger.
And they have hands.
They can hold the cat.
ali macofsky
The cats will sass them into being bottom.
Cats will be like, get down, bitch.
joe rogan
But raccoons kill dogs.
Didn't you see Old Yeller?
ali macofsky
Oh.
joe rogan
You didn't see Old Yella?
Did you ever see Old Yella?
jamie vernon
When I was probably two, three.
joe rogan
Yeah.
I think a raccoon killed the dog, right?
Isn't that what happened?
ali macofsky
I thought one of the parents shoots the dog.
joe rogan
Talk about a spoiler alert.
Wasn't it that the raccoon had rabies and he infected the dog and then the parents had to kill the dog?
Some old school country type deal.
ali macofsky
Do you like Westerns?
Like on...
joe rogan
I like Unforgiven.
That's one of my favorite Westerns.
ali macofsky
Is that a movie or a TV show?
joe rogan
Oh my god, how dare you?
Who are you?
ali macofsky
I don't know.
I'm figuring it out.
jamie vernon
He was bitten by a rabid wolf in the book.
joe rogan
A rabid wolf?
In the movie?
Wasn't it a raccoon though?
jamie vernon
Synthesis said the book.
joe rogan
Oh.
You are a little fiend.
ali macofsky
Oh, I know.
joe rogan
You can't stop.
ali macofsky
No.
joe rogan
That shit's so bad for your lungs.
ali macofsky
I stopped at the beginning of the pandemic.
joe rogan
Oh, you started up again today before the show?
unidentified
Mm-hmm.
ali macofsky
I stopped for like two months and then I was back on.
Why'd you get back on it?
Because I like it.
joe rogan
Oh, okay.
The Unforgiven is one of the greatest westerns, if not the greatest western of all time.
It's Morgan Freeman, Clint Eastwood, who's the sheriff?
ali macofsky
Bless you!
joe rogan
Thank you.
I'm trying to hold that one.
Gene Hackman.
And I forget who else is in it, but fucking phenomenal.
It's like a realistic Western.
And it's basically, Clint Eastwood did all those spaghetti Westerns.
They were all great.
All those Western movies, you know, Outlaw, Josie Wales, all that kind of shit.
But this is like realism.
It's even like the heroics are not that heroic.
So many people are cowards.
The people that are evil, the way they're evil is believable.
It's an amazing movie, if I remember correctly.
I haven't seen it in a decade, but I remember loving it.
It was almost like Clint Eastwood, as he got older and became a more respected actor and also then became a director, had decided, you know what, I'm going to clean this up.
I'm going to make a movie that's a realistic Western.
It's my favorite Western.
It's a fucking great movie.
It's about a guy, spoiler alert, who used to be a killer.
And he settles down to become a farmer.
And then along the way, circumstances and things happen, and he has to go back into his...
His old skills is a dark movie.
It's heavy.
ali macofsky
I like heavy movies.
joe rogan
It's a heavy movie.
But it also makes you realize, like, my God, living back then must have been so hard.
And it's not that long ago.
You know, you're talking about 1850, 1840. That's not that long ago.
That's fucking really recent.
ali macofsky
Yeah.
joe rogan
A couple hundred years ain't shit.
But a couple hundred years ago, life was awful.
It was just awful.
ali macofsky
And that's the thing with now.
I feel like you have to take a moment to be just like...
As bad as you can make things out to be, it's like, well, just take it for what it is.
Because who knows if it's going to get worse or better.
joe rogan
Well, you know what the problem is?
As bad as it is today, for a lot of people, is the worst they've ever had it.
ali macofsky
Yeah.
joe rogan
That's the problem.
Now, if you...
If you talk to someone who grew up in a third world country, if you talk to someone who grew up in extreme poverty or in a war zone, their idea of this would be, it would be nothing.
Like, I had a friend, my friend Shuki, he was my kickboxing coach back in the day, and he was from Israel.
You're like, you're sucking on that thing again.
You can't even help yourself.
ali macofsky
I'll put them away.
joe rogan
No, you don't have to.
I'm just giving you a hard time.
My friend Shuki was from Israel, and he was always happy.
Always happy.
I remember I had dinner over at his house, and he was playing the bongos, and his wife was dancing, his kids dancing.
Everyone's dancing.
I was like, you guys are so happy.
Why are you so happy?
He goes, man, he goes, living in Israel, he goes, it's like, you never know when you're going to die.
He was like, it was just like, there's always craziness.
So like every day that you're alive is party, party, party.
That's how he thought about it.
He was like a real live Zohan.
ali macofsky
Yeah.
joe rogan
You know, that's what he's like.
ali macofsky
I went to Israel and I was there for like maybe a month.
And it was so crazy.
It was just like such a reality shift where you go to a mall and there's armed guards standing outside.
And then there was like an incident where two Israeli kids have been like kidnapped or something.
And so everyone was on edge.
And there were bombs when you're there and you just like don't even realize it.
Yeah.
It would be a very different way of growing up.
joe rogan
He went back there.
ali macofsky
Oh, he did?
joe rogan
Yeah, he was living in Tarzana for a while.
He was running Majiro Gym, a kickboxing gym in Tarzana.
He's like, yeah, going back to Israel.
He's there now.
ali macofsky
You think he's still playing the bongos?
joe rogan
Oh yeah, he is.
100%.
I'll find you his Instagram.
He's a great guy.
But he's got this sort of unique perspective because of, you know, growing up and living in Israel.
It's just like, things are just different there.
It's just, he's, you know, he's experienced a lot of, like, shit that makes you...
Let me find it.
Shuki...
unidentified
Shukiran.
joe rogan
Shukiran Muay Thai.
So I'll send it to you, Jamie.
Hold on a second here.
unidentified
Share.
joe rogan
Copy profile URL. Here, Jamie.
It's just that life, the life that he lived in Israel and just living in a place that's so ridden with conflict forever, right?
From the beginning of Israel in the 1940s.
And even before then, right?
It was just constant conflict.
And so their idea is when you're alive and everything's okay, it's like fucking party.
And so they're playing bongos and dancing and...
Count as private.
Shit!
ali macofsky
He's gonna probably have a lot of requests after this.
joe rogan
Yeah.
Yeah, it's...
Well, I can't, you know, I can't get it to you somehow.
What can I do?
unidentified
If we had an Apple TV, you could at least show it on the TV. Yeah, I can't.
Can't?
joe rogan
But here's him hitting the double in the back.
ali macofsky
Oh, he's fit.
joe rogan
Oh, yeah, he's in his 60s now, too.
ali macofsky
Damn.
joe rogan
He's in great shape.
He's a great guy, though.
Now he's gonna get swamped.
But, um...
We're soft.
And it's not bad that we're soft.
I think it would be great if we never had to be hard.
But the problem is adversity for a lot of people today is overwhelming.
And the overwhelming adversity of the past year has broken a lot of people.
There's a lot of people that I can't talk to anymore.
Because the way they handled COVID and the way they would scream at people on Twitter and the way they would act in real life, I'm like, bro, you've got to get your shit together.
ali macofsky
I know it's hard to see it because I feel like it brought out so many like neuroses in people that was kind of always there but this like really brought it to the forefront and it's hard to see them have such a you know mentally difficult response to it.
It's just eating away at them.
joe rogan
Yeah.
It's a test.
Last year has been a test for a lot of folks.
Some people have come through it really well.
Some people have had good times and bad times.
Other people have just fallen apart and becoming incredibly neurotic.
You just realize how many people have zero capacity for adversity.
They don't have any.
They've never played sports.
They've never had hard times.
They don't know what the fuck to do.
Oh, that's Shooky.
ali macofsky
Shooky!
joe rogan
He's out there.
jamie vernon
I found it on YouTube.
joe rogan
Oh, that's 2015. I think he was still here.
I think that was when he was in America.
I think.
But I trained with him way back in the day.
unidentified
I trained with him like 2001. He's a fight choreographer for a kickboxing movie.
joe rogan
Oh yeah?
He did a lot of things.
He trained a lot of fighters too.
He trained Stan Longinitis.
Stan the man Longinitis back in the day.
He's a great guy.
ali macofsky
What would your nickname be if you were like a...
Don't some people have nicknames?
joe rogan
Smokin' Joe probably.
unidentified
Smokin' Joe.
joe rogan
LOL. Smokin' Joe.
I would steal it from Joe Frazier.
Respect to Joe.
I don't know.
I don't think I'd have a nickname.
I don't think it's necessary.
ali macofsky
Yeah.
joe rogan
You know?
ali macofsky
Could be fun though.
joe rogan
There's some good nicknames and there's like a lot of fighters in MMA have...
There's too many nicknames.
Like they try too hard.
ali macofsky
They're like really wanting the nickname to catch on.
unidentified
Yeah.
joe rogan
Well, it's just like, sometimes you don't, if you don't have a nickname, just accept it.
ali macofsky
Has it been weird going to, like, the UFC events without the audiences and stuff?
joe rogan
No, it's been awesome.
ali macofsky
You like it better?
joe rogan
Oh, I love it, yeah.
I love it.
I don't like it better.
Because audiences are awesome, too.
But it's a different experience.
Like, you feel really lucky.
Like, when I was at the...
Well, the Stipe Miocic-Francis and Ghanu fight, which was a couple weeks ago, that was weird because they started to let a lot of celebrities in there.
You know, like...
Travis Barker was there.
Megan Fox was there, Machine Gun Kelly, all these famous...
ali macofsky
Kourtney Kardashian.
joe rogan
She was there.
She was there with Travis.
ali macofsky
I know.
unidentified
They're a thing.
ali macofsky
I know.
It's so juicy.
I've been keeping up.
joe rogan
So juicy.
And there was a lot of YouTube stars.
But there was an actual crowd this time.
There was probably like 150 people.
unidentified
Wow.
joe rogan
Whereas usually it's been like, it started off, it was like real strict, like 20 people and that's it.
But this last one, it was like, there's quite a few people at the Apex Center.
And then the next one, which is not this upcoming weekend, but the next weekend, is in Florida with a full house in Fort Lauderdale.
Yeah, packed.
ali macofsky
Are you going to be there?
joe rogan
Oh yeah.
ali macofsky
Are you excited?
joe rogan
Yeah.
Yeah, I'm excited.
It's an awesome card, but it's also, it's going to be wild to be.
It's just, wow!
ali macofsky
That energy is crazy.
unidentified
Yeah.
joe rogan
And then there's another one in May in Houston that I'm doing that's also full crowd.
ali macofsky
Hometown.
joe rogan
Yeah.
ali macofsky
Hometown Advantage.
joe rogan
Close.
Yeah.
And I'm doing a theater in Houston, too.
ali macofsky
Oh, fun.
Yeah.
joe rogan
Want to do it?
ali macofsky
Yeah.
joe rogan
Yeah?
unidentified
Yeah.
joe rogan
You want to do it with me?
ali macofsky
Yes.
joe rogan
Okay.
You, me, and the Golden Pony.
ali macofsky
Stop.
I want to cry.
joe rogan
You had the fucking craziest ascent into arenas of all time.
ali macofsky
It freaks me out thinking about it.
Like, if I think about it too long, I'm like, this is a simulation.
joe rogan
It was kind of a stupid thing for me to even ask you to do.
ali macofsky
It was.
It was very stupid.
joe rogan
I just gave you so much pressure.
But you handled it so well.
I feel like you're set in...
This is...
Tell everybody what happened.
Allie had done, we had done shows because I'd seen her do The Store and I'd seen you do Kill Tony.
ali macofsky
I have a question.
joe rogan
Okay.
ali macofsky
Did you, was, how, so I remember the first time you asked me to do guest spots at the Ice House.
joe rogan
I asked you to host, I think.
ali macofsky
You asked me to, no, I think I was just doing guest spots.
joe rogan
The first time?
ali macofsky
Yeah.
joe rogan
Okay.
ali macofsky
Because I think you just wanted to see how I would do on a show.
unidentified
A set.
joe rogan
A real show.
Packed house.
ali macofsky
I never know.
Was Tony like, you have to see this girl?
Or was it just from seeing me on Kill Tony?
joe rogan
Well, I'm always looking for people that I think have talent.
Always.
And I've got a pretty good record.
If you look at all the people that I have, like Duncan and Diaz and Ari and Segura, all the guys that I started taking on the road with me, I have a good eye for when...
You don't know if someone's going to make it.
You really don't.
But you know if someone can make it.
Do you make me laugh?
Are you funny?
Do I see you've got something?
And the difference between someone who's got something and someone who's selling out a comedy club every weekend is just time and focus and sometimes a little boost.
Like someone else coming along going, I think you're good.
You make me laugh.
You could do this.
That happened to me when I was coming up.
People did that for me.
I'll never forget Lenny Clark, who did that for me when I was like a year into comedy.
I opened for him, and he gave me this huge compliment.
He complimented, kid, you're fucking hilarious!
Big, giant Irish guy with crazy accent, Boston accent.
It meant so much to me.
I'm like, I'm going to help every comic I can when I can.
So whenever I see someone that's good, I've always been like, you can do this.
I was taking it the other day to some lady that was doing a show at Vulcan.
I was like, just keep going.
You're good.
You're funny.
You made me laugh.
It's the difference between...
Being someone who's funny who's been doing it a year and someone who's funny that is headlining and killing it on the road and has got a Netflix special is just time.
It's all it is.
And I know you want to do it.
So just keep putting that fucking time in and you can do it.
And then you've got to be around people like Tim Dillon and Santino and there's other comics that are also doing it.
And then you're in.
You're one of us.
And then next thing you know, you're killing it.
So I had seen you perform a couple of times on Kill Tony.
I thought you were really funny, and Tony said, yeah, she's hilarious.
And then I saw some other sets, and I'm like, I need to see a set of hers in front of a regular crowd.
Not like a crowd that's there to see an open mic night, but a crowd that's there to see me and my friends.
So then I said, come do some shows at the Improv.
We did a few of those, did a few of those at the Comedy Store.
I wanted to test you in a bunch of different ones.
And then I remember it was like, you were saying that you were going to be in Vegas.
You wanted to know if you could get tickets to the fights.
ali macofsky
No, no, no, no, no.
joe rogan
Yeah, you said you were going to be in Vegas.
ali macofsky
I said I wanted to see you at a theater and you were going to be in Vegas, so I was going to drive out.
joe rogan
No, you also said you wanted to see the fights.
I know we were talking about a UFC. And you said, do you think I can get tickets to that?
And I said, sure.
And then we talked about the show.
I said, do you want to go up on the show?
ali macofsky
And then I was like, no.
joe rogan
And you're like, could I? Because you had only done...
ali macofsky
Oh, you took that photo, Jamie.
That's you about to go on stage.
And there was an earthquake right before.
joe rogan
Okay, that's hilarious.
ali macofsky
Bad day.
joe rogan
That's right, there was, right?
ali macofsky
In Vegas.
joe rogan
So you killed.
You went up there loose as a goose.
You were focused, but you can tell you had all this energy because you knew like, holy shit.
So you went from doing the improv, which is a couple hundred seats, the main room at the comedy store, a little bit more than that.
And then all of a sudden, you're in front of 1,300 people.
And so you get off stage.
You did great.
And I said, okay, do you want to do an arena?
ali macofsky
Well, first of all, I open in front of 1,300 people, which is obviously the biggest show I've ever done.
And I'm freaking out because my set was good.
You liked it.
And I was like, okay.
Like, that was so great.
How fun.
I get to go to the UFC. Also, Aerosmith is there.
Fucking Steven Tyler.
unidentified
He's like, you have the thickest eyebrows I've ever seen.
ali macofsky
That's badass.
I was like, thank you.
joe rogan
How nice is he?
ali macofsky
He's so nice.
joe rogan
He's so nice.
ali macofsky
Oh, I loved him.
And then we go out to dinner and that was Bruce Buffer's there.
Yeah.
It was just so surreal.
And then you just said to me at dinner, you're like, I want to do an arena.
And I was like, I was like shaking like a chihuahua.
unidentified
I'm like, yeah, I don't know.
You killed.
ali macofsky
And that was, yeah.
joe rogan
You fucking killed.
You really did.
That was Portland, right?
ali macofsky
Portland.
Yeah.
The Moda Center.
joe rogan
That was, uh, I think at least 11,000 people.
I forget how many.
It is a big ass fucking place though.
ali macofsky
And it was, there's no preparation for something like that.
joe rogan
I mean, obviously- No one can prepare you.
And you were in the round too, which is always weird.
ali macofsky
It was weird.
I was just so out of breath when I got on stage because I'm running up.
I'm like, it takes so long to get on stage after you say my name.
joe rogan
And you gotta go through all those people too.
You gotta go through the masses to get to the stage.
ali macofsky
It was the coolest thing ever.
joe rogan
It's a wild way to do it, but you only get to do that once.
There's no time in your life where you get to go from going to a club to going on stage in front of 1,300 people to going on stage in front of whatever it was, 11,000 people.
That only happens once.
Or you get a chance to do that for the first time.
So a first time like that is only once.
So it was cool that I got to be the person that brought you to the dance.
ali macofsky
Yeah.
joe rogan
Because you handled it.
And you went up there fucking...
I remember we were backstage going, she's fucking doing it.
She's killing it.
You were killing it.
You were tight, but you were smiling and having fun up there.
And it worked.
You got the crowd going.
You got everybody warmed up.
You know?
It was fucking great.
It was great.
ali macofsky
It was so fun.
joe rogan
I was really proud of you.
ali macofsky
Thank you.
Thank you.
Yeah, because it's like I was saying at the beginning of the podcast, it's like there's so many highs and lows and so...
It's just great to remember, like, Joe's not gonna bring someone to do that who sucks.
joe rogan
No, I knew you were good.
ali macofsky
You know, like, I'll have bad sets, and it's like, that's all part of it, you know, growing and building and getting better, and the bad sets, they hurt.
They feel bad, and it can hurt your confidence, but then you have to remember, like, it's not always, you're gonna grow from this, and...
joe rogan
Yeah.
It's just...
ali macofsky
It's a trip.
unidentified
Sigh.
joe rogan
Look, I wouldn't have...
If I had been doing comedy as long as you, I would have shit my pants.
ali macofsky
I'm shitting right now.
joe rogan
I would not have been able to do it.
I would have fucking...
I would have panicked.
I would have had a panic attack.
ali macofsky
Oh, I was panicking, all right.
joe rogan
But you did it.
You pulled it off.
I knew.
I kind of knew.
I mean, I hoped.
But I knew.
I knew you were good.
When I saw you go up in Vegas, and I... Who did we do Vegas with?
ali macofsky
We did it with Ian Edwards.
joe rogan
That's right.
I remember I told Ian, I'm gonna bring you to the theater, or to the arena.
ali macofsky
You did?
joe rogan
Yeah.
And he was like, what?
And I was like, I think she can handle it.
And then I got to go to the UFC. I just wanted to see if you could handle it, too.
Because I knew you could.
Like, I knew if you can just do what you just did in front of 1,300 people, you could do it in front of 10,000 or 11,000 or whatever it was.
ali macofsky
Yeah.
joe rogan
I knew you could do it.
ali macofsky
Imagine if I bombed.
joe rogan
It would have been rough.
But I would have said, dude, you're only going to get a chance to bomb one time like that in front of an arena when you really shouldn't have been doing it yet.
You would have been fine.
ali macofsky
It would have been fun.
But I'm glad I didn't.
I would have been hurting for a while.
joe rogan
You killed.
You did the right thing too.
You started off like fun and loose.
And I was like, look at her, like a fish to water.
You just took right to it.
It's perfect.
ali macofsky
I mean, that's the thing.
When you ask me how I got into stand-up, it's like I've just always wanted to make people laugh.
And so when a set goes well and you're able to make a lot of people laugh, nothing feels better.
It's like I'm fulfilling my life's purpose.
And if a set goes bad, I'm like...
joe rogan
And there's those moments too where something like that will happen.
They can give you a giant boost.
You could do open mics around town and you can grind and that's great for you.
There's nothing bad about grinding.
There's nothing bad about doing guest sets whenever you can.
But there's something about when a thing happens where all of a sudden you have this new kind of experience.
And the kind of experience...
I didn't do arenas until I did arenas.
ali macofsky
Yeah.
joe rogan
I didn't do an arena until I was like 25 years into comedy, you know?
ali macofsky
And that's the scary thing is, like, as cool as it is, and being as somewhat newer into stand-up, you know, it's scary to say I've done an arena, but, like, I'm still really working hard on, like, headlining.
Like, this is all still new to me.
Like, I did an arena before I even headlined, and it's like, you know, I hope people don't think that because I've had these cool experiences that I'm like a...
joe rogan
Well, you're still out there grinding.
I think that's really, that's very important.
Like, you have to have a varied diet.
Like, doing those big shows is great, but you also gotta do these little shitty shows.
Like, you have to do shows where you, like, when you get those spots at the store at, like, 1230, and there's 15 people in the audience.
Like, the first time I saw Laura.
unidentified
Mm-hmm.
joe rogan
The first time I saw Laura, she was on stage, Burt and I had come from the main room, we had a couple drinks in the back bar, and they were walking by the OR, and we said, let's just go see who's on stage.
And Burt and I sat in the back, and Laura fucking killed.
She killed.
And she was loose, and she was just fun, and I wrote about it on my Instagram, and I was like, that girl's a fucking killer.
unidentified
She's a killer.
joe rogan
She's a machine.
She's just fucking funny.
And it's like, that's where comedy comes alive.
It comes alive in all these different venues.
In a big crowd where you get a packed spot in the main room, or a little shitty show where it's like, you know, there's 13 people left in the audience and you go up and you just, you catch a vibe.
You hit the wave and you ride it.
ali macofsky
And they're all like just as important.
joe rogan
All just as important.
ali macofsky
Like doing the 13 or the 13 audience member room and the 10,000 person arena like both like you can learn from any set that you have and no set is necessarily better than the other but I'll tell you an arena feels good.
joe rogan
How many arenas did you do with me?
ali macofsky
I think like five or four.
It's the craziest thing.
joe rogan
It's the craziest thing.
It is crazy.
It's so wild.
ali macofsky
I know.
unidentified
It really is.
ali macofsky
But I'm so grateful because it's so cool to to not just to do the arena but to see but to see someone like you who takes someone like me who had only been doing stand-up at that time for like four five years To see the way that you treat me and your feature act and the things that we get to do, that's so fun to witness because I want to one day have my own arena shows.
That's my dream is to be able to be in that position to fly someone out first class for the first time and You know, get a big steak before the show or after the show and like, you know, all of those things that's just so special about comedy because like, we get it.
We're all doing the same thing.
And, um...
joe rogan
You get a chance to do that when you're the person who calls the shots.
You get a chance to bring everybody with you and say, we're all the same.
The only difference is one person, more people know them.
That's all it is.
But we're all doing the same thing.
We're all doing stand-up.
And that's what I said to this lady the other night at Vulcan.
I was like, we're all the same.
The only difference between you and me is I've been doing it 33 years.
And you've been doing it a year.
ali macofsky
Did you ever think your stand-up would be at the place where it's at when you started in terms of, not in terms of success, but in terms of material?
joe rogan
No.
No, it was terrible.
I thought it was always going to be terrible.
ali macofsky
That's how I feel right now.
joe rogan
I mean, comedy is like, it's a build, right?
Like you're building a mountain out of layers of paint.
And every day you're slapping more paint on that mountain and it just keeps stacking and stacking.
And then one day you're killing.
ali macofsky
Do you feel like there was a turning point?
Like, do you remember a time where you were like, oh, this is my groove.
This is my voice.
This is, like, my material and, like, how I tell jokes.
joe rogan
Well, it keeps evolving, right?
It keeps getting, hopefully, better if you keep paying attention to it.
But I think around 10 years in.
10 years in is when I really kind of caught my wave.
Right around 2000-ish, 99, 2000. That's when I really started to figure out who I was.
But then also, I got real distracted back then, too, because I was doing Fear Factor.
So I was working in the 2000s.
I was working a lot only in L.A. because I was so...
Worn out.
ali macofsky
Yeah.
joe rogan
I was so cooked because I was doing stand-up and I was doing Fear Factor constantly and then Doug and I did the man show for a couple years in there too and I was just and I was I was not saying no to anything.
I was saying yes to every fucking show that came along so I was fried.
ali macofsky
But I feel like also that experience Fear Factor and everything from that probably even if you weren't doing stand-up as much like allowed you to figure out yourself in a different way outside of stand-up.
joe rogan
Yeah.
ali macofsky
And bring it back into that.
joe rogan
Yeah, you know what it did?
It gave me fuck you money.
That's what it did.
That was one of the best things about Fear Factor is it gave me financial freedom.
So I was like, okay, let me put that money aside.
So if I just live like a normal person, I don't ever have to work again.
So let me just set that aside and then let me just not think like I have to preserve myself and instead think, what do I really think?
What am I really trying to do?
Let me figure out how to do comedy that I like.
And then also realize that as great a job as Fear Factor was, it was great to have that kind of an opportunity.
ali macofsky
I love that show.
joe rogan
But at the end of the day, I realized I don't want to do that.
unidentified
Yeah.
joe rogan
You know, it's great to have the money and it's great to have the freedom.
And that freedom is very valuable because the freedom to not worry about, not make decisions based on money is And to not protect, you know, like worry about what you say.
I don't want to piss people off and not get a gig or not get a this.
That was giant.
And then I really started focusing once that was off.
Then I really started focusing on stand-up.
ali macofsky
Have they ever tried to do like hit you up for Fear Factor reboots or anything like that?
joe rogan
We did a Fear Factor reboot for a little bit in 2011. It was a tremendous mistake.
I shouldn't have done it.
But it got canceled because we made people drink cum.
ali macofsky
A lot of people do that not on TV. Not that much, though.
Oh, it was a large quantities.
joe rogan
Donkey cum.
It was like about the size of this pitcher.
And it got out on TMZ. They found out that we had these people drink cum.
ali macofsky
Oh, I think I remember you telling me this.
joe rogan
Yeah, and it got canceled.
ali macofsky
Damn.
joe rogan
So I got saved by donkey cum.
ali macofsky
Yeah, thank God for donkeys.
joe rogan
Because I was like...
But I was worried they were going to kill people.
Because the stunts, they ramped up.
They made them much bigger, much crazier.
And it was just like, Jesus Christ.
They were going a little too far.
And a lot of stunt people, they're wild folks.
ali macofsky
Like the people who test the stunts before they go on there?
joe rogan
Well, the people that created them and test them.
unidentified
Oh, yeah.
joe rogan
But you got to realize, like, people that are in the stunt business that do that for a living, they're fucking wild people.
unidentified
Yeah.
joe rogan
They're, like, they take risks, you know?
Like, they're hardy, crazy people.
And when you tell them, let's ramp this up, they're like, fuck it.
ali macofsky
Sounds good.
joe rogan
Let's ramp it up.
unidentified
Yeah.
joe rogan
And then, you know, there was some moments where I was like, I think we're going a little too far here, folks.
You know?
ali macofsky
Yeah.
joe rogan
But, got away with it.
ali macofsky
I wish I could have done it.
joe rogan
I'm glad you didn't.
ali macofsky
I want to eat worms or something.
joe rogan
Why?
ali macofsky
I don't know.
I just want to see when I'm put in that position what I'm capable of.
It's kind of like I want to get into a fight, but I'm afraid of fighting.
I want an altercation at a bar where I can just see in my natural element how good of a fighter I would be.
I think I'm probably not good.
joe rogan
Way easier to eat worms than to get in a fight.
ali macofsky
Yeah, I'd rather eat the worms.
jamie vernon
You can just eat worms, you know?
ali macofsky
You got any worms?
joe rogan
We could film it.
We could do it for YouTube.
No, you don't want to, listen.
ali macofsky
Bring some worms in here.
joe rogan
When we would feed people worms, we'd put them on a very specific diet for a long period of time.
Like the bugs, they had to eat certain foods, so they weren't eating trash.
They weren't bugs that had diseases.
unidentified
Oh, yeah.
joe rogan
They were bugs that had been raised.
ali macofsky
Vegan bugs.
joe rogan
They give them specific foods to sort of cleanse their system out.
ali macofsky
Keto cockroaches.
joe rogan
Yeah, that's something along those lines.
All right, dude, we've got to wrap this bitch up.
ali macofsky
All right.
joe rogan
I've got to get out of here.
ali macofsky
I've got a meat tour after this.
joe rogan
When are your shows?
Tell people.
ali macofsky
You can go to AllieMakovsky.com slash shows.
I think next I'm going to Washington, D.C. And then I'm going to Chicago.
joe rogan
So you finished your Texas run?
ali macofsky
Yeah, Texas is over.
I'm here for a week just hanging out and jumping on other people's shows.
unidentified
All right.
ali macofsky
Yeah.
joe rogan
All right.
unidentified
Well, I'm going to take you to the club and show you what we're doing.
joe rogan
All right.
Allie Makovsky, ladies and gentlemen.
ali macofsky
Thank you, Joe.
joe rogan
Thank you, my friend.
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