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Nov. 19, 2020 - The Joe Rogan Experience
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Joe Rogan Experience #1567 - Donnell Rawlings & Dave Chappelle
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dave chappelle
23:47
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donnell rawlings
01:15:25
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joe rogan
01:38:52
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unidentified
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joe rogan
Donnell.
donnell rawlings
What's going on, bro?
joe rogan
Good to see you, my friend.
donnell rawlings
Take me to the river, I wanna go.
I'll go.
Take me to your river, I wanna go.
joe rogan
I don't even know who sings that.
donnell rawlings
You don't know who sings that song?
unidentified
No.
donnell rawlings
Leon Bridges.
joe rogan
Leon Bridges.
donnell rawlings
Yeah, he's like a folk country singer, black dude.
I think he's Louisiana, where he's from.
But about five years ago, he had a very popular song.
That was like a song that really charted well.
It was called The River.
joe rogan
That was that.
donnell rawlings
That was that song.
joe rogan
There he is.
donnell rawlings
And then what he does is- You where, Jamie?
joe rogan
You know what I do?
unidentified
I've seen him before, yeah.
I don't know that I know the song.
donnell rawlings
But this song is like, he's had other songs, but for some reason this song resonated with a lot of people in the country, man.
It was like him reminiscing with going to a place that made him feel good in the river.
joe rogan
I hope when we go over to Spotify we can play it.
donnell rawlings
I go, take me to your river.
unidentified
I wanna go.
donnell rawlings
I'll go.
That's pretty much it.
That's the one part everybody knows.
joe rogan
It's acceptable now for people to wear like neck scarves.
donnell rawlings
Are you being insulting?
joe rogan
No.
donnell rawlings
Not at all.
It's normal.
joe rogan
If you had wore that on any other time, I'd be like, what is on your neck?
donnell rawlings
And I would explain it to be a gaiter.
joe rogan
Right.
donnell rawlings
A gator.
joe rogan
I know what it is.
I know what a gator is.
I hunt.
donnell rawlings
This is what it is.
It's my gator.
joe rogan
You wear them when you're sneaking up on animals.
Or people.
unidentified
Or people.
joe rogan
Well, that color, you can't sneak up on anybody.
donnell rawlings
Gay pride.
Gay pride.
joe rogan
Well, there's a lot of colors in that.
Yeah, I guess that's a rainbow.
donnell rawlings
Yeah.
joe rogan
Not a traditional rainbow.
donnell rawlings
This is a liberal gator.
joe rogan
Liberal gator?
donnell rawlings
Yep.
It's accepted by anything.
Gay people, black people, Hispanic people.
I'm sorry.
joe rogan
No worries.
donnell rawlings
My baby mother asking me about weed.
Jesus.
unidentified
Fuck.
donnell rawlings
I thought you don't like me.
I thought you don't like me.
Why you keep blowing me up about weed?
You said you don't like me.
joe rogan
She likes your weed.
donnell rawlings
I mean, they like something, man.
joe rogan
What happened to your thumb?
donnell rawlings
I got shot.
joe rogan
Who shot you?
donnell rawlings
That's a question I haven't found an answer to.
Really?
This shit happened so quick, Joe.
I didn't really get a good look at the person that shot me.
Not too many people around have witnessed it.
But I have the wound to show that I got shot.
joe rogan
What was the situation?
donnell rawlings
My dog.
I got a new dog.
joe rogan
She's adorable.
donnell rawlings
Listen.
joe rogan
That's as adorable as a dog gets, ladies and gentlemen.
Look at that little cutie.
Can you see her on camera?
donnell rawlings
Yo, this is my emotional support dog.
joe rogan
That's Maggie?
donnell rawlings
Yeah, that's Maggie.
unidentified
Maggie.
joe rogan
Come here, sweetie.
Come here, Maggie.
Come here, honey.
She doesn't know what coffee is.
donnell rawlings
She don't know what weed is, but she don't know what coffee is.
But I was protecting her.
Some people were trying.
Joe, you want to hear the story about how I got shot or what?
unidentified
Yeah.
donnell rawlings
I was protecting her honor, right?
I was protecting her from a hell of bullets.
It was a gang.
It was a lot of people.
I don't remember all of that, but I got shot at my motherfucking thumb.
joe rogan
Where were you?
donnell rawlings
In the streets.
joe rogan
Oh, just regular?
donnell rawlings
Yeah, I was in the streets.
joe rogan
No, not just the streets.
donnell rawlings
I was just in the streets.
joe rogan
No town.
donnell rawlings
No, just the streets.
And that happens sometimes, Joe.
You put yourself hanging in the streets.
You put yourself in some unforgiving situations.
And that's what happened to me.
And that's how I got my motherfucking thumb shot the fuck off.
And that's the story I'm talking.
That's the story that I'm sticking to.
joe rogan
So you got caught in the crossfire.
donnell rawlings
A hail of bullets.
joe rogan
Jesus Christ.
donnell rawlings
45 shots rang out.
joe rogan
Really?
Legitimately?
donnell rawlings
And this is the only injury I sustained.
joe rogan
I'm very, very happy that that's the only injury you sustained.
donnell rawlings
You're not happy about it, Joe, because when I... I love you.
joe rogan
Come on.
donnell rawlings
I know you love me, but when I told you I got shot, you continued to question me about...
joe rogan
Well, Donnell, that's because you're Donnell.
donnell rawlings
Right, but you continue to...
joe rogan
I didn't question you like I didn't believe you.
donnell rawlings
You did, 100%.
joe rogan
But you said it so casually.
donnell rawlings
That's what you...
joe rogan
I said, do you want a drink?
You said, I can't.
I'm on antibiotics.
I said, what happened?
donnell rawlings
He went, I got shot!
joe rogan
Usually, any of my other friends who've been shot, if I said, hey man, what happened?
And they said, I got shot!
It wouldn't just end right there.
They would say, it's the craziest story ever, man.
I was on my way to the car, and I had my little dog.
I was protecting her.
donnell rawlings
And that's the story that I told, but the thing that you didn't believe me...
If someone said he got shot...
unidentified
I didn't believe you.
joe rogan
You can't say I didn't believe you.
That's not true.
donnell rawlings
The look of your face is like...
joe rogan
Well, it's unusual the way you were describing it.
I got shot.
And then you wouldn't say anything more.
donnell rawlings
Black people don't...
What happened?
How'd you get shot?
Well, remember I had a disagreement with so-and-so?
unidentified
Yeah.
donnell rawlings
Well, we finally had an opportunity.
Our paths crossed.
We finally had a situation where those energies came together.
We was like, how are we going to settle this, right?
It wasn't like that.
unidentified
I understand.
donnell rawlings
It wasn't like that.
joe rogan
Okay, so you don't want to get specific about details.
donnell rawlings
No, I don't want to get specific.
I just want you to respect the fact that I got shot.
joe rogan
I believe that you got shot.
I do respect it.
I'm sad that you got shot, but I'm glad you're okay.
donnell rawlings
I'm better.
I'm good.
joe rogan
So, how is your thumb doing?
Is it going to be all right?
donnell rawlings
Yep.
It's going to be good.
You know, we got all the bullet fragments out of it.
You know, we avoided the surgery, so I'm going to be good.
Just got to get the range of motion back.
joe rogan
Oh, that's real good.
They didn't have to do any surgery in tendons or anything like that?
donnell rawlings
Nope.
I got lucky.
joe rogan
I have a friend who cut his finger on a window, man, and he never got his fingers back again.
His fingers are like this, curled.
donnell rawlings
I know.
Everybody knows a motherfucker like that, and we've all made fun of that motherfucker.
Mm.
We've made fun of the person that you know that don't have a thumb, but I'm telling you, doing this after me surviving this gunshot shit, just butting in my pants become a task that I took for granted.
The point I'm making is that you're lucky to have all of your limbs, all of your shit on your body.
joe rogan
Yep, it's true.
donnell rawlings
And you don't appreciate it till one of them motherfuckers gone.
joe rogan
Well, I think that's the case with everything, right?
Like, we didn't appreciate how good we had it before the lockdown, before COVID came around.
Nobody appreciated how good we really had it.
donnell rawlings
We was living in a moment.
joe rogan
We were also spoiled.
We were spoiled by how good everything was.
donnell rawlings
But we didn't think it was spoiled because that was what was going on until shit shifted.
And then same thing, like, you lose your thumb.
You're like, oh, shit.
You know, I really do appreciate doing those three spots that night.
You know what I mean?
I appreciate the fact that I could just walk with my family anywhere and I wouldn't be judged.
I wouldn't be discriminated against or whatever.
It'd just be like, there goes Joe and his family, not just like, do you have a mask or not?
But I do believe that it took a pandemic for people to really realize what the most important things in life are.
joe rogan
I think so for sure.
I think at the beginning people were nicer because they were scared and they were like, it was almost like post 9-11 feeling.
Like we're all in this together.
That didn't last very long.
donnell rawlings
It was unrealistic to think that everybody's gonna be that way.
People don't get frustrated.
joe rogan
Once also resources started getting low and people started realizing that they're not gonna be able to work for a long fucking time.
Did you see the governor got busted?
Did you see the photos?
donnell rawlings
Which governor?
joe rogan
Governor of California.
donnell rawlings
He got busted for what?
joe rogan
Got busted going to a restaurant with 12 people.
No social distancing.
No masks.
All the shit that he's been preaching for, he didn't do.
They were saying that he was outdoors.
His people said it was outdoors.
But now they have photos of it.
100% indoors.
They're all indoors.
Talking, sitting.
donnell rawlings
The unrealistic part about that, you know people gotta...
Push their platform.
This mad shit has been crazy.
But me, I know it shouldn't be like this, and I know it's like, but what does it represent?
When I see motherfuckers Like that, in a situation that no mask, not social distancing, I just assume that they've all been tested and they've all been in a bubble situation.
joe rogan
Well, that's because you've been in a bunch of bubble situations.
Like when Dave did the shows down in Yellow Springs.
donnell rawlings
Like you, you bubbled me first.
joe rogan
I bubble you here.
donnell rawlings
You're the first person.
You're the first person.
You didn't rape my nose.
You rape my finger.
joe rogan
I didn't do it.
donnell rawlings
Yes, you did.
joe rogan
You hired a nurse.
donnell rawlings
You made somebody do it.
You can call it whatever the fuck you want to do, but she worked for you.
joe rogan
That's true.
donnell rawlings
And you forced that, that she had to do it.
joe rogan
Well, I just suggested it'd probably be a good idea for everybody.
donnell rawlings
Yeah, but it was good for everybody, and you knew that, so we know that's a bubble world.
But it's not surprising that you see the governor in a situation like that, because I'm pretty sure, it doesn't send out the right message, but I'm pretty sure that the motherfuckers was tested.
joe rogan
Well, that's what he should have said.
They can't say that because they're a politician, and everybody would go, wait a minute, if I just test people, can I go to work?
Like what Dave's doing with all his shows.
Test people in the audience and you can have a full audience.
You know you have a bunch of people that are healthy.
donnell rawlings
You're taking the measures to create that safety.
It's a bubble.
Here's the thing that a lot of people understand is that Like, you could literally create your own bubble.
joe rogan
Yes.
donnell rawlings
Like, I know people, like, well, in certain states, you have to meet a certain requirement to be tested.
You can't be tested unless you start showing symptoms.
But you could create your bubble.
There's testing almost everywhere.
There's an opportunity for people to get tested.
joe rogan
It's a little harder than that for most people because...
donnell rawlings
But most people mean state for state.
joe rogan
Most people, in terms of, like, just people's, just your access to it.
It's not that common where you can go to a place and get a quick test yet.
donnell rawlings
Okay, so then what's the difference?
And I may be wrong.
This may be my ignorance.
Like, California, like, I know the situation, like, at Dodger Stadium.
You know what I'm saying?
Like, for the most part, anybody with, I guess, a California idea, whatever, they can get tested.
joe rogan
You know, but hold on.
You know that takes hours.
You know, those people have to wait in line for hours.
There was a line.
donnell rawlings
To get it done.
joe rogan
Yeah, yeah, yeah.
But what does that matter?
If you have a job, man.
If you have a job and you're supposed to be at work at 9 a.m.
and you get to the COVID thing at 7.30 and they tell you it's a two and a half hour line, that's what it is.
That's the reality.
And most of those aren't giving you the results immediately.
donnell rawlings
Not immediately, but enough where you could...
If you got those results in 18 hours...
Say you were going to plan a family function or something.
joe rogan
You don't do shit for 18 hours.
donnell rawlings
What I'm saying is when the bubble, the idea of the bubble first started, it started with the NBA. You kind of contributed to that.
Dave did it.
joe rogan
Well, UFC did it first.
We did it and UFC did it first.
donnell rawlings
But they always thought like, oh my god!
You don't have to be a millionaire to create a safe bubble for you and your family, your friends, right?
joe rogan
No, you can do it now easier than ever before.
But the problem with the governor saying it is other people will let us make a bubble and go to work because that's what they should do.
What they could do is what we're doing here.
We're just lucky that podcasting is an essential business.
I think she's trying to jump down.
donnell rawlings
She's not trying to kill herself.
joe rogan
No, I mean, she's just looking over the edge.
donnell rawlings
No, she's my emotional dog.
I understand.
If anybody's gonna jump, it's gonna be me.
joe rogan
I'm in tune with her.
donnell rawlings
Okay.
joe rogan
She's the most adorable little dog I've ever seen.
I've never seen a little dog as a puppy.
donnell rawlings
Maggie Rivers, she's five months old.
She knows her biological dad, and I'm her new dad.
It was important for her to know her biological dad because I didn't want her to come from a place with mental issues and shit.
joe rogan
I understand.
donnell rawlings
She's in two with her mother.
She knows her two brothers and sisters.
They have play dates.
joe rogan
She's a little cutie.
donnell rawlings
But she knows she's my little bitch right now.
joe rogan
What kind of dog is she?
donnell rawlings
A Chihuahua Pitbull.
joe rogan
No.
She's part of Pitbull?
donnell rawlings
That dog don't look like he's part of Pitbull.
joe rogan
What kind of pitbull fucked a chihuahua?
donnell rawlings
A toy pitbull.
joe rogan
Oh, really?
donnell rawlings
She's toy chihuahua.
joe rogan
Those toy pitbulls are cute little dogs.
donnell rawlings
Yeah, she's ferocious.
Don't let that fucking sad eyes fool you.
joe rogan
Have you ever seen a toy pitbull, Jamie?
unidentified
I don't think so.
joe rogan
They're really tiny.
We know real pitbulls, like the fighting pitbulls, they were like 30 pounds.
They weren't big dogs.
The ones that they bred for fighting.
The smaller ones are the little demons.
donnell rawlings
I don't even know if I can remember ever seeing a small pitbull.
joe rogan
Yeah.
Brian Callen used to have a small pit bull.
It was a tiny one and it was ferocious.
donnell rawlings
That's where he gets his personality from.
It's not him.
No, he bought it.
unidentified
It's animals.
joe rogan
We went to a guy who raised them for fighting.
donnell rawlings
Oh, shit.
unidentified
Yeah.
joe rogan
We were like in our 20s.
unidentified
Those are mostly puppies, but...
joe rogan
Oh my god, look how tiny.
donnell rawlings
Damn, that little motherfucker looked tough as shit.
The black one.
The Black Lives Matter one, son.
joe rogan
Look at his face.
Oh my god, that's ridiculous.
That dog's ridiculous.
See, that's the thing that they do.
They take these dogs.
donnell rawlings
But they break their legs and shit like that, right?
joe rogan
Well, no.
They just breed them.
They do what's called, they select, right?
So like a dog with shorter legs, they'll breed with another dog with shorter legs, and they'll try to select for certain traits.
Like I used to have a dog that was from Hawaii, and they used him for hog hunting.
That's what they use his family for.
So he had long ears.
donnell rawlings
It was a dog specific?
To Hawaii?
joe rogan
Yes.
unidentified
Yeah?
joe rogan
Yeah.
They breed a lot of pit bulls in Hawaii for hog hunting.
donnell rawlings
And what are their jobs?
Because most dogs, do they go get birds?
What the fuck does it do?
joe rogan
Hog hunting.
donnell rawlings
Okay.
joe rogan
See, what they do is, in the real thick brush, you can't really get to the hogs.
Like, it's hard to shoot them even with a gun.
Like, you're shooting through hundreds of yards of brush, but the dogs can go in there and get them, and they'll hold them.
They'll hold the pig.
So there's a style of pig hunting.
donnell rawlings
That makes the hunting easy, though, right?
joe rogan
It does, except for the dog.
It's not like the same kind of hunting, because you're relying 100% on the dogs.
Usually there's two groups of dogs, depending on what animal you do.
Like if they hunt mountain lions, they'll use a certain kind of dog that'll obey the dog, that'll obey the mountain lion.
But if they hunt pigs, a lot of times they'll use an animal that lets you know where the pig is, and then they release other animals that hold the pig.
So those are the pit bulls.
donnell rawlings
And then you shoot them.
joe rogan
Well, they usually stab them.
donnell rawlings
Hand, like, up?
joe rogan
Yeah, it's kind of fucked.
donnell rawlings
Oh, so that experience is all about the dog?
joe rogan
It's the dog is the one who did it and you just finished the job.
unidentified
Damn.
joe rogan
It's crazy, too.
There's, excuse me, there's videos of it, of the way they do it, and it's like, woof.
And I've been asked to go on one of those hunts.
I'm like, I am not interested in doing that.
I get it.
donnell rawlings
What happens when the dog gets old?
Do they like?
joe rogan
To get new dogs.
But this is a thing that people are doing for two reasons.
One, for food, right?
Because this is the best way that they can get food.
Like you can trap this animal and then that's how you're going to get the animal.
If you just rely on just hunting with like a rifle or a bow and arrow and real thick shit with wild pigs, you're probably going to go hungry.
So there's that.
And then the other thing is, these are invasive animals.
Like, they were brought over to Hawaii.
And they're wild and they have no predators.
So they have to kill them.
They have to control their population.
donnell rawlings
So did they bring them over here to kill a species or something?
Like, I know that...
joe rogan
No, no, they brought them over for food.
donnell rawlings
Oh, okay.
joe rogan
Like, Captain Cook and those dudes used to do that shit.
They used to release goats on islands.
donnell rawlings
I don't know Captain Cook.
I know Captain Crunch.
joe rogan
I know Captain Crunch as well.
donnell rawlings
Yeah, I don't know Captain Crunch.
joe rogan
Delicious stuff.
Captain Hook was an old pirate, right?
Wasn't he?
unidentified
Cook.
joe rogan
Cook.
Did it say Hook?
Hook was a pirate too.
donnell rawlings
He was a Disney pirate.
joe rogan
Captain Cook, he used to go to islands and they would drop off animals.
So that the next time they came around, they'd have something to eat.
donnell rawlings
That's smart.
joe rogan
Yeah, so they'd leave goats on an island.
I think that's how the goats got on Galapagos.
I think that's how they got on a lot of islands.
These pirates or sailors would drop these animals off.
But meanwhile, these animals would destroy ecosystems.
donnell rawlings
Yeah, but you had some fresh goat when you came back.
joe rogan
Yeah, some fresh goat.
donnell rawlings
Yeah, fuck the rivers and shit.
joe rogan
They had a lot of turtles, too.
They killed off a lot of sea turtles, because they would take sea turtles, and they would flip them over and put them on their back, and they'd be good for weeks.
donnell rawlings
And they would eat them?
joe rogan
Yep, they would eat them, because they don't need anything.
They can survive just on their back for weeks and weeks and weeks, and you don't have to worry about refrigeration.
donnell rawlings
Yeah, but you can't tell somebody you're hunting turtles.
joe rogan
You're not trying to do it for sport.
donnell rawlings
They slow as a motherfucker.
If you're like, I fucking stalked this fucking turtle for three days.
joe rogan
I think they'd probably get them on the beach, but if you got them in the water, they'd be quick.
Sea turtles?
donnell rawlings
When I was growing up, we'd catch a motherfucking turtle on the road, and it was always one country motherfucker.
He usually was a mechanic in the neighborhood, and he had oil up under his hand.
He always helped people's baby mothers with fucking changing their brake pads and shit.
Just one of those grimy, dirty motherfuckers that eat any type of roadkill.
And whenever we saw fucking a dead turtle or something, we knew that nigga was gonna be yelling out, turtle soup!
joe rogan
Yeah, people like turtle soup.
donnell rawlings
Yeah, I'm not a big fan of it, but...
joe rogan
I've never had it.
donnell rawlings
Yeah.
It seems like it would probably be an alligator, meaty type of family.
joe rogan
Alligator tastes good.
donnell rawlings
It is.
joe rogan
Yeah.
donnell rawlings
Everything tastes good when it tastes like chicken.
That's the reference for anything it tastes like chicken.
joe rogan
Yeah.
I have frog legs recently.
They were good.
donnell rawlings
I've had frog legs before, but trying to convince a black person to eat frog legs is a tough sell.
To get a black person to order frog legs off of a menu is like getting them to say, I want my steak rare.
It's always got to be well done.
joe rogan
You eat well done?
donnell rawlings
No, that's what I'm saying.
I don't.
joe rogan
But how do you eat your steak?
donnell rawlings
Medium.
joe rogan
Medium?
donnell rawlings
Yep.
joe rogan
Not medium rare?
donnell rawlings
There's a lot of black people that watch this show.
They're going to be like, I'm going to tell you when he changed.
When they start talking about blood.
joe rogan
Medium rare.
donnell rawlings
Yeah, when they started talking about blood, that's when he lost the streets.
unidentified
Shit.
donnell rawlings
I could do medium, medium rare.
I can't do it.
joe rogan
I understand.
donnell rawlings
I've had it like that, but my preference would be medium.
joe rogan
Yeah.
donnell rawlings
But the average circle that I grew up around...
joe rogan
My jiu-jitsu instructor eats it well done.
And when he orders it, I cringe like, John Jock Machado.
Well done.
I go, oof.
donnell rawlings
Do you know what that feeling is?
Imagine a chef that gets the order and says...
Two well-done steaks at Table 49. They're calling them every fucking racial thing that they can think of.
That's the quickest way to fucking make somebody order a fucking well-done steak.
joe rogan
Chefs did not enjoy it.
donnell rawlings
Not at all.
joe rogan
They did not like cooking it like that.
That's a weird thing, like a preference thing.
If you ask people's preference, it's not like you just cook it.
If you order chicken, they just cook your chicken.
They don't ask you what temperature you'd like your chicken breast.
donnell rawlings
But they know.
joe rogan
They just cook it.
donnell rawlings
Right.
joe rogan
But even pork chops, same thing, right?
They don't ask you.
But with steak, they'll give you options.
Why the fuck are you giving me an option if I can't have well done?
donnell rawlings
You should just have it your way, but it's just insulting.
joe rogan
It is.
donnell rawlings
It's insulting.
joe rogan
They give the opportunity to insult.
Because they do have that as an option.
donnell rawlings
Have you ever been a certain way, like, judge somebody by the way they order their steak?
joe rogan
Yeah, I do, honestly.
But again, John Jock Machado, like I said, I have nothing but respect for him.
It makes me sad that he likes well-done meat.
donnell rawlings
I know this is going to be bad.
People are like, what type of brother am I? But I took my sister out to eat once.
She ordered a steak, and she ordered it well-done.
I said, I think you should order something else.
I said, I'm not paying for a leather belt.
joe rogan
Wow.
donnell rawlings
And I didn't even have to eat the shit.
I wasn't going to do it.
I just felt fucked up.
joe rogan
You felt judgy.
donnell rawlings
I didn't feel it.
I was judgy.
joe rogan
A little judgy.
donnell rawlings
Yep.
I was like, let that fucking hood shit go.
joe rogan
But isn't that the only food that we have that with?
Like, cheeseburgers, nobody gives a fuck.
If somebody says, how do you want your cheeseburger?
donnell rawlings
Well, in the black community, when you say cheeseburger, for the most part, that's going to be well done.
Black people don't want to see the pink in it.
They'll tell you.
joe rogan
all the pink out well you really should with ground beef see the thing with ground beef is you don't know what the surface area is when you're eating ground beef right they take a cows whatever and they grind it up the stuff in the middle like that could have been on the outside right so you don't know like when you get a steak you sear the outside you cook the outside there's no room for bacteria and Anything that could have grown on the outside is dead.
And the inside you don't have to worry about unless it's rotten.
donnell rawlings
That's why black people get their fucking hamburgers well done, Joe.
joe rogan
Well, that's wise.
donnell rawlings
We didn't know it, but that's just what it was for a hamburger.
joe rogan
You don't want to get food poisoning.
donnell rawlings
Right.
joe rogan
Yeah, hamburgers, unless you are right there when they grind it or you go to a top shelf restaurant where they literally, they'll take a piece of chuck roast or even filet mignon.
Like some of them do it with like a lean cut.
donnell rawlings
If you get a burger that's ground out of filet mignon, you're in the right neighborhood.
joe rogan
You're in the right neighborhood.
They usually add fat to it, believe it or not.
donnell rawlings
To make it juicier.
joe rogan
Yeah, to make it juicier.
donnell rawlings
What is it with white people with blood, though?
joe rogan
I don't know.
donnell rawlings
I mean, like, like, I know this, but white people get a kick out of, like, the rarest they can order a steak.
Like, the blood part of it, like, yeah.
What?
joe rogan
Rare is weird.
When somebody orders rare, or you know what blue is?
donnell rawlings
But you proud of the blood, Joe.
joe rogan
No.
donnell rawlings
Every time you post an elk picture, it's like...
You can't just show the meat.
You want motherfuckers to see the knife, and you do your picture, Joe, and it's like you waited for the blood to sweat at a certain temperature.
You know when it looks the bloodiest, and that's the shot you always get.
joe rogan
That's not what I'm trying to do.
What I'm trying to do is show that it's cooked perfectly, that it's medium rare with respect for the meat.
When I do it, I use a thermometer.
I mean, I do it nice and slow, and I know you know how to cook.
Don't get crazy.
donnell rawlings
Wait a minute.
joe rogan
Don't get crazy.
donnell rawlings
Wait a minute, Joe.
joe rogan
Just trying to explain something.
donnell rawlings
Wait a minute, Joe.
joe rogan
What?
donnell rawlings
You're a man of wilderness.
joe rogan
Yes.
donnell rawlings
Right?
And all that.
You're well respected, right?
joe rogan
Look at that, though.
donnell rawlings
Yeah, look at that.
Joe, look at that.
joe rogan
It's perfect.
donnell rawlings
Look at that.
joe rogan
That's perfect.
It doesn't get better than that.
donnell rawlings
But you're proud of the color of it.
joe rogan
Because it's perfect.
It's perfectly cooked.
donnell rawlings
But it looks...
It's like...
What is it?
joe rogan
It's elk.
That's elk.
That's super athlete.
donnell rawlings
I argued with someone because I told them that you like elk and I can make elk.
And they were like this.
joe rogan
Tom Papa makes it.
donnell rawlings
The last time I spoke to you about me cooking, you were very condescending.
joe rogan
That's not true.
donnell rawlings
Yes, you were.
You were making fun of me.
joe rogan
No, I said it the same way I said you got shot.
donnell rawlings
No, okay.
joe rogan
I said you can cook?
donnell rawlings
Yeah, and you're right.
joe rogan
That's not condescending.
donnell rawlings
It is, but the way you looked at me, you looked me up and down.
You judged me, and then you said it.
That's the difference, Joe.
That's the difference.
When I said I could cook elk, you looked at me like, what the fuck got here?
joe rogan
Let me tell you what I've heard.
I heard you cook really well.
I heard you have amazing barbecue skills.
donnell rawlings
That could be borderline racist.
That could be borderline racist.
joe rogan
Isn't that your shit?
donnell rawlings
Yeah, but you said barbecue.
joe rogan
Listen, barbecue is one of the most complex forms of cooking.
donnell rawlings
You gotta be real careful.
joe rogan
You're doing it slow.
Too much, you fuck it up.
Too little, you don't do it right.
And then it's hard to put it back on because it hasn't been sitting at the same temperature the entire time.
donnell rawlings
Art of barbecuing.
But when I hear barbecue, I think about the barbecue.
joe rogan
I understand.
donnell rawlings
Like the black barbecue.
joe rogan
I understand.
donnell rawlings
With Frankie Beverly and the whole thing.
It's a whole production, not just one piece of barbecue.
That's what I was saying.
joe rogan
Barbecuing in Texas is mostly white people, I think.
donnell rawlings
And, yo, I will say this.
joe rogan
As far as my own personal experiences.
donnell rawlings
I will say this.
White people can fucking smoke some meat.
joe rogan
They know how to do it here, I'll tell you that.
donnell rawlings
When I first got it, I think it's a place called Black's.
I don't know if you found a favorite.
joe rogan
Terry Black's.
Phenomenal.
donnell rawlings
Didn't that franchise, didn't they break up like...
joe rogan
Yes.
donnell rawlings
They broke up.
joe rogan
They used to be with the family.
Then the sons started on their own.
donnell rawlings
They started beefing with each other, literally.
joe rogan
Yeah, they had some issues.
I don't want to air their dirty laundry on the podcast.
donnell rawlings
Right.
joe rogan
But the sons opened up a spot.
donnell rawlings
Somebody stole the barbecue secret sauce.
joe rogan
Something happened.
Something happened.
donnell rawlings
Somebody gave up the secret sauce.
joe rogan
Terry Black's in town has only been open since 2014, I believe, and it feels like a place that's been around 100 years.
I mean, they got it dialed in.
That barbecue's off the hook.
donnell rawlings
Think about it.
They have to have it dialed in if they came up generations and generations.
They're just putting whatever the recipe is, whatever the love is.
joe rogan
They make their own smokers.
They use giant propane tanks, and they make their own smokers.
donnell rawlings
Or maybe that's what I enjoy.
joe rogan
Next level.
donnell rawlings
Yeah, white people level of barbecuing when they start doing the machines.
joe rogan
I should say they hire someone to make their smokers.
But they get this dude to make the smokers out of propane tanks.
They're not buying a big commercial smoker.
They're having this commercial smoker made.
They gave us a tour.
donnell rawlings
That's cheating the game, bro.
joe rogan
They did an amazing job.
They wanted it to their specifications.
And those propane tanks are thick as fuck.
donnell rawlings
It's heavy gauge steel.
unidentified
Fuck that, man.
donnell rawlings
Where's the wood?
joe rogan
Well, you cook with wood.
donnell rawlings
Okay.
joe rogan
The wood is an offset.
You know how those smokers work?
donnell rawlings
Right.
joe rogan
So you have a firebox.
The firebox is over on the side, and they're constantly checking the temperature and opening the flues, make sure it's at a perfect temperature.
And then you got the smoker, which is off to the side, and they're moving meat around because it's hotter where the air comes right out.
Oh, so they got the whole system.
But they're really well in.
Oh, my God.
They got it dialed in.
Their brisket is ridiculous.
donnell rawlings
That's what I'm talking about, bro.
That shit milks your mouth.
And then brisket don't come off bloody like that.
joe rogan
It's a different kind of animal.
That's elk.
I mean, you could have elk and you could do it that way.
They cook the neck meat that way.
My friend John Dudley.
donnell rawlings
Elk neck meat?
joe rogan
Yeah, neck meat.
Because the neck meat is very strong and dense.
Because elk has giant antlers, right?
It's like it's doing weights with its neck.
donnell rawlings
But an elk doesn't have no fatty.
It's no fatty fat.
joe rogan
no fat no fat there's a little bit of fat on the outside of them but there's no fat in the meat at all it's a totally different thing so you got to cook it slow so if it's anything other than that like medium rare like that it's going to be dried out right you want it just cooked slowly and seared on the outside so like i take a totally different approach if i'm cooking like a ribeye from a cow versus an elk steak completely different way of cooking i know that because you never post regular steak pictures it's I eat regular steak.
donnell rawlings
No, you don't.
Once you did your fucking first elk, your regular steak pictures was just dead, man.
joe rogan
Well, they're not as interesting to me.
Regular steak is great.
I'll cook it.
I'll eat it.
But the elk is like, I have an intimate relationship with that.
donnell rawlings
Everyone knows that.
joe rogan
Of course they do.
donnell rawlings
I mean...
Even when I tell people I'm going to do your show, they're like, take a bite of the elk from me.
I'm serious, man.
It's like, yo, you've done some cool shit.
They've seen you do a lot of cool shit, but they've never seen you.
And you told me, do I really want elk?
And I was like, yeah, but I was in the hospital recovering from an injury, so I couldn't get here the way I wanted to.
joe rogan
That's a lucky injury in a sense, right?
All the things that could have gone wrong with your thumb, not even need surgery, able to get the bullet fragments out.
donnell rawlings
I mean, that's how I run my life, man.
I try to make it easy as possible.
Anybody else could have fucking mad this injury and been fucked up.
If the pandemic can't stop me, neither can this fucking thumb, man.
joe rogan
Yeah.
donnell rawlings
How does it feel?
I know it's a crazy question.
You get it all the time.
From being from a place, like you were saying, like what we took advantage of.
joe rogan
Yeah.
donnell rawlings
And one of the things we never took advantage of at stage time, because we always did it, but not...
Having it accessible to you all the time?
How does it feel here with not being able to be like, you know what?
I'm going to go do like fucking three spots and hammer some shit out real quick.
joe rogan
Well, I haven't done that since March, you know, since the store closed down.
There was no comedy at all in L.A. So it was a whole life shift.
The only time I did it on the road was July.
And in July, I did four shows of the Houston Improv.
I had a great fucking time.
donnell rawlings
I just left there, man.
joe rogan
Great place.
donnell rawlings
Did you feel...
I know this sounds crazy.
I know we're going to get through some mask shit, mask shit story, whatever.
But it's a club that had a certain capacity.
Now they got to trim it down to meet whatever the mandate is.
But people were in there.
Temperature check, they were in there.
joe rogan
Yeah.
donnell rawlings
I know this sounds crazy.
Some people were masked.
Some people didn't have masks.
And if I'm not mistaken, they sell the tickets as a group.
Right?
joe rogan
I don't know if they're doing that now, but they're doing that in a lot of places.
donnell rawlings
And it's like, you feel good about it.
joe rogan
Yeah.
donnell rawlings
You know, but then it's like, people take away from that feeling because it's always somebody like, ah, where's the mask?
Where's the mask?
joe rogan
Right.
There are people that are rightly upset at people taking risks because those people that do take risks could then get sick.
And if they're irresponsible enough to take a risk and get sick, they might be irresponsible enough to go out and mingle with people when they know they're sick.
Some people are like that.
Some people are selfish.
You know that, right?
donnell rawlings
I know that.
joe rogan
Yeah.
donnell rawlings
Then you have to be...
joe rogan
And then they could even give it out when they don't know they have it.
It could be asymptomatic.
donnell rawlings
But then...
At some point, don't you have to be selective about the people that you engage with?
Don't you have to be selective on the chances?
This is my frustration.
I'm not a mask or a non-masker.
People make the argument, but what if I go to the grocery store and I have my mask on and there's this old lady that doesn't have her mask on?
Then I don't think you should go places where it could be people that...
Don't have their mask on.
Shouldn't you order online or something?
joe rogan
Just don't get in that lady's face and you're going to be fine.
donnell rawlings
Man.
joe rogan
I don't think you should tell some old lady that she has to put a mask on.
I ran into an old lady at the grocery store.
She didn't have a mask on.
I was like, alright.
What are you going to do?
She's old, man.
I mean, this lady, she probably feels terrible breathing through the mask.
She probably feels like she doesn't have much time.
donnell rawlings
She's about to have an asthma attack.
joe rogan
She had one on, but she was doing this shit.
donnell rawlings
I got into an argument.
joe rogan
That chin shit that people are doing?
donnell rawlings
I get yelled at.
I went to a grocery store.
I'm getting a couple of items.
And I had my motherfucking mask.
And Joe, when I tell you, the tip of my nose was showing.
The tip, right here.
joe rogan
People got mad.
donnell rawlings
And this lady's behind plexiglass.
She had sanitizer.
She was squirting the register every minute.
She had a mask and everything.
And my shit went right to the tip of my nose.
She was like, sir, sir, sir, sir.
You got to put your mask on.
You got to put your mask on.
I'm like, oh, I'm sorry.
Okay.
Now I gotta pay.
I do Apple Pay.
But to get into my phone...
joe rogan
You gotta open up the phone.
donnell rawlings
With my face.
joe rogan
Yeah.
donnell rawlings
So I put it down.
Sir, I'm sorry!
I'm like, I'm trying to pay.
I gotta log in on my face.
She was like, well, you can't do that in here.
Right?
joe rogan
You can't use Apple Pay?
donnell rawlings
I can't show my face to open my phone up.
joe rogan
You gotta use Samsung Pay.
They let you use your fingerprint.
Time to switch to Android.
donnell rawlings
I don't have an Android.
That's very evil for you.
I have an Android.
I know, but I wouldn't talk about your fucking phone, Joe.
joe rogan
Why is it evil?
donnell rawlings
Because it was the wrong time!
It was the fucking wrong time!
And the thing I was making, so I had to...
joe rogan
How'd you guys...
donnell rawlings
You're digging.
Sorry.
This is what I had to do, Joe.
I had to actually stand, leave the register, go to where I could outside, show my face, open my phone up, and I went to pay.
And then when that happened, I could have been pissed, but I could have been like, you know what?
I'm just never going to go to that store again.
joe rogan
Well, it's just a lady working.
Just put the mask over your nose.
donnell rawlings
I'm not going to put myself in a situation where I can get frustrated.
I didn't.
It was just for...
Just for Apple Pay.
joe rogan
But you were already arguing with her, right?
Is that part of the problem?
donnell rawlings
I never said I was arguing, so...
joe rogan
She was already telling you to put your mask over your nose.
So she was in a heightened state of...
donnell rawlings
Awareness?
joe rogan
Of frustration.
donnell rawlings
Yeah, but she also...
I don't know if it was me, but you know what?
It was me.
I didn't see that energy around anybody else.
Perfect time to use the black card.
I'm not going to do it.
joe rogan
It's the nose card.
She saw your nose and she's...
Some people are just like real sticklers for shit.
You know Bridget Phetasy?
donnell rawlings
No, who's that?
joe rogan
Comic from LA. Writer.
She told me she was walking on one side of the street and there was a guy across the street on the sidewalk on the other side.
Yelled at her.
Put a mask on!
donnell rawlings
Let me tell you something.
This argument, I know it's for safety and everything.
I know it's for safety and what the lives we share and all that.
But for some people, it's a perfect opportunity to be an asshole.
joe rogan
Exactly.
donnell rawlings
It's like, and that's the fine line.
It's like, do you really care about this mask or you get to either, it's discrimination against mask people and no mask people.
joe rogan
It's just people have an opportunity to tell people what to do.
They get mad.
donnell rawlings
They do.
joe rogan
Yeah, they love it.
donnell rawlings
And then you want to adhere to it, then they get mad because you're not listening to the rules.
joe rogan
Right.
Well, that's why people are particularly upset at this Gavin Newsom shit.
Because he's been the one telling us, you can't have large gatherings for Thanksgiving, stay home, social distance, wear a mask in between bites of food.
This guy's been saying all this shit.
And now you go see him eating at a restaurant.
donnell rawlings
So does that mean do we believe everything?
So that's a perfect example of you know a lot of things are motivated through politics and looks.
You know what I'm saying?
Everything that you see is not really what you think it is.
So how much...
How much are you going to put into a person?
joe rogan
Politician?
donnell rawlings
Yeah.
joe rogan
Not much.
What kind of person wants to do that?
That's the problem.
What kind of person wants to be a governor?
They're not normal.
And you didn't care until the pandemic.
When the pandemic rolled around, you realize, oh, the mayor matters.
It really matters who your maker is.
unidentified
You know what?
donnell rawlings
I think a lot of them, like, have dreams of a certain amount of fame and want to be superstars.
unidentified
Yeah.
donnell rawlings
Because even though you say you do it for the people, you have to be likable or have some type of personality to connect with those people.
joe rogan
And you're cultivating your act.
They have an act, too.
donnell rawlings
100%.
joe rogan
They have an act that's different than our act.
Our act is to make people laugh.
Their act is to get people to think that they're the person who's got the solution.
There's our leader.
donnell rawlings
So their act is to lie.
joe rogan
Yes.
unidentified
100%.
donnell rawlings
You know what, Joe?
We're going through all of this shit, and even with this last election, whoever you decide you like, appreciate, whatever, it was just a weird thing going on.
It was a weird thing going on.
And I was watching one of David Goggins' posts, and I have to say, David Goggins, I've never seen nobody have worse feet than my feet.
joe rogan
Oh, his feet are broken down.
But he just got done running 240 miles.
donnell rawlings
I know he's going to defend that and I was going to say the same thing, Joe.
I know you're going to say, but what has he done with his feet and what have you done with your feet?
So, I know you were going to be like, you know how many mountains?
Those are fucking rock blisters.
joe rogan
Yeah, legitimate.
donnell rawlings
I knew he was going to say that and that's the point I was going to make.
That's the point I was going to make.
He said...
joe rogan
Jesus Christ, look at those big toes.
donnell rawlings
Yeah, those look like crazy.
They've been through it.
joe rogan
That is hilarious.
That thing on the left, he showed me that.
If you cut out the right foot's big toe, that right foot's big toe, if you showed me a photo of that and didn't show me the rest of his foot, I'd be like, that's like a snail or something.
donnell rawlings
If you did that, people would say that was my foot.
joe rogan
That's a Mars rock.
Zoom in on just the toe.
Don't show me anything but his right toe.
That's a rock from Mars.
That's not real.
donnell rawlings
But that's fucking a lot of miles, Joe.
joe rogan
That's a brain of steel.
That man has a brain of steel.
He knows how to force himself to do shit that hurts.
donnell rawlings
This is what he was saying.
And then whatever it is, one thing about him, he always has to remind you that he was a fat piece of shit.
That's got to be...
Must be the number one motivating thing for it.
joe rogan
Look at that, Toe.
donnell rawlings
Goddamn, son.
joe rogan
So if you didn't see the rest of it, you'd be like, what is that?
Oh, that's a rock somewhere.
That's on another planet.
That's a satellite photo.
donnell rawlings
Oh, nigga, don't go there.
joe rogan
That's a satellite photo.
donnell rawlings
See, white people, y'all gross as shit, son.
joe rogan
That's a satellite photo.
donnell rawlings
You want to see blood and pus come out of that motherfucker.
I know your thing.
Like, Jamie, go closer.
But the point he made, son, he said, everybody, I used to be a fat piece of shit.
joe rogan
Yeah, he was 300 pounds.
donnell rawlings
Yeah, I was 300 when I was a piece of shit.
Everybody's looking for, I need the answer with this person.
I need the answer with that person.
But fuck it, why don't you be the answer for yourself?
Yeah.
I know people are like, well, that's easy to say.
But why not...
Find the answers you need in life through yourself.
joe rogan
Right.
donnell rawlings
And through what you do, your hard work, and the type of person, and type of human, and type of father you are.
joe rogan
That's why people like him are so important, because he'll tell you.
People like him are so important, because he'll tell you.
He used to have no discipline.
donnell rawlings
Right.
joe rogan
So look at him now.
This is not something he was born with.
donnell rawlings
Really quick, I gotta interrupt.
It's so funny you said discipline, because I was having coffee with Dave today, and then he said that about you, because I was talking about, I can't drink no shit with my antibiotics when I got shot and everything.
In some kind of way, we talked about you, and that's what he said.
He said, I fucking love and respect his discipline.
joe rogan
I do have some of that, but I'm lazy too, man.
I force myself into all the stuff that I do.
donnell rawlings
Yeah, but you get challenged by something, though.
Something kicks you in the ass.
joe rogan
Yeah.
Well, I don't like not doing what I'm supposed to do, so I force myself to do what I'm supposed to do, but it's never easy.
It's not easy, you know?
It's like I always would think of disciplined people as being like there was no wavering.
They just got up and did it.
But that's the other thing Goggins tells you.
unidentified
He goes, sometimes I'll stare at my shoes for 30 motherfucking minutes before I put them bitches on.
Yeah, because you want to get rid of them ugly-ass feet, son.
donnell rawlings
Goddamn, son.
joe rogan
That's not what he's talking about, though.
He's talking about discipline.
donnell rawlings
I know this is the worst time, Joe.
I did a pivot.
I opened up my own store, right?
And after I just saw David Gogger's feet, you got to help me get that.
Look at that shit, son.
joe rogan
We sold candles a lot, son.
donnell rawlings
No, son.
You don't know about that right there.
Yo, son.
That is...
Yo, put a little on your hand.
Please put a little on your hand.
joe rogan
It smells good.
donnell rawlings
That shit is vegan.
It's all natural.
It's fire, son.
Watch what I say, son.
Watch what I say.
Watch how long that shit lasts, yo.
joe rogan
Okay.
Feels good.
donnell rawlings
I know it sounds weird.
Look at that shit, son.
It does smell good.
Raw edge.
The ingredients are all on the back.
I know you don't got your glass.
You don't have to read it.
But it's like type of oils and coconuts I never heard of in my life.
joe rogan
It smells like coconut.
donnell rawlings
Coconut, a goo goo, all the black nuts and oils.
CBD, son.
Feel me?
joe rogan
I don't know what this stuff is.
When I... Mongongo oil?
What is that?
donnell rawlings
Yeah, Google it.
Google it.
Google it.
joe rogan
And Mad Rich Plant Butters.
unidentified
Good...
Mad...
donnell rawlings
Yo, you laughing, son?
You're laughing, but that shit is fire, son.
It's good.
joe rogan
I'm just laughing at the...
donnell rawlings
Erykah Badu put that shit on, right?
joe rogan
I love it.
donnell rawlings
Erykah Badu put that shit on.
Nah, that's you, son.
joe rogan
Oh, thank you.
donnell rawlings
Listen, Erykah Badu put that on, son.
And she started rubbing herself real, real slow.
She hadn't been out in a pandemic in a while.
And she was like, mmm.
She was like, is it edible?
unidentified
Wow.
joe rogan
How high was she?
Was she really high?
unidentified
Mm-hmm.
donnell rawlings
Are you disrespecting my product?
joe rogan
No, but if I was thinking about taking cream and eating it, I'd probably have to be pretty high.
donnell rawlings
Certain people react to things differently, Joe.
joe rogan
But it does smell like food, though.
It smells like a delicious pina colada.
donnell rawlings
But wait to it.
It's like food.
joe rogan
There it is.
donnell rawlings
It's like food for your body.
Your body is eating right now, Joe.
joe rogan
And 100 milligrams of CBD. Yep.
donnell rawlings
Look at that.
Mongogo oil.
There it is right there.
CBD and hemp seed oil.
Cocoa butter.
We got all the nuts.
joe rogan
Look at this.
When did you start this business?
donnell rawlings
How long ago?
I've been working on the formula for two years.
joe rogan
Scroll down.
Look at that.
Why does it say too classy?
donnell rawlings
Because that's the feeling.
joe rogan
Go from ashy to classy.
donnell rawlings
That's the feeling you have.
joe rogan
Look at that.
I like the sparkle.
donnell rawlings
The thing about it, Joe, I've been ashy my whole life, right?
You know that?
Yes.
And for years, people were like, you should do lotion.
You should do lotion.
I'm like, man, it's kind of corny.
I mean, it could be the novelty.
It could be funny.
Yo, ashy Larry got his own lotion.
And I was like, fuck that shit.
Then I met with this young lady, and she's like a chemist when it comes to this lotion shit.
And we started working on it.
And then when I found it...
Tried what was the end product.
I was like, this shit really work.
Like, it really works and it's good.
joe rogan
It sounds like it's good for your muscles, too, if it's got CBD in it.
donnell rawlings
It's good for everything.
Your hands are going to thank me later, son.
joe rogan
I believe it.
What is the name of the website?
donnell rawlings
Donnell Rawlins.
That's where you can get it.
joe rogan
Donnell Rawlins.
donnell rawlings
Opened up the stores, son.
joe rogan
Oh, I like it.
I like it.
Look at you.
Entrepreneurial.
donnell rawlings
I never...
This is one thing that came out of this, not just for me, Joe, for a lot of people.
Think about this.
A person that makes their money on the road.
A real road comic.
This happened to me.
95% of the money that I make is on the road.
95% of the shows I had are done.
It's the only thing I have from what I usually make is that 5%, and I didn't enough for shit.
joe rogan
Right.
donnell rawlings
And even though you can have some money stacked up or whatever, you still got to ask yourself, what the fuck is going to be the pivot?
joe rogan
I don't think the pivot's going to come for a long time either, in terms of us being able to get back to work.
donnell rawlings
No, no, no.
We're about to get back to work next summer.
joe rogan
Next summer, you think?
donnell rawlings
Joe!
joe rogan
Donnell.
donnell rawlings
I'm not trying to say I don't believe in Corona right now, but we are on the track of not just deadening shit, but being able to have it under control.
We're about to get to the point where people are going to have more sense of security.
You know what I'm saying?
Just think about the progress we made in a year from when this shit first happened.
You take a Corona test, you had to wait like seven days.
Think about it when it first hit.
We had to like, oh my god, it was so scary, so scary.
And then all these ventilators, ventilators, ventilators.
But if you know now, since when the pandemic started, yeah, we're still losing people.
But you don't hear that ventilator talk too much no more.
joe rogan
Well, ventilators are actually a bad idea now, they realize.
donnell rawlings
My point.
You know what I'm saying?
They figured out a lot of things.
joe rogan
I did a whole podcast yesterday on COVID with Nicholas Christakis from Yale.
donnell rawlings
He a COVID nigga?
joe rogan
He believes that COVID is a real problem.
Yeah, for sure.
donnell rawlings
I believe it, but I think it's controllable.
joe rogan
It is controllable.
I think it's a multifaceted problem, and I think we're only handling one aspect of it, which is keep people from working, keep people home, keep people away from people.
donnell rawlings
No, you can't do that.
joe rogan
You're treating people like they're children.
donnell rawlings
This is what you gotta do, Joe.
joe rogan
You gotta let them go outside.
donnell rawlings
This is what you gotta do.
We're going to have more creative ways to make money.
Like, think about the comedy scene.
When we thought, like, the only place to tell jokes was on the stage.
And I had some resentment toward some of those outdoor events, the parking lot shit.
First time I saw one of those parking lot shows with horns, I was like, never give a heckler an instrument to fuck your show up.
I'm like, there's no way I'm going to...
These motherfuckers don't like me.
There's no way I'm going to be...
joe rogan
Yeah, but people are happy to be out, man.
It's a different experience.
donnell rawlings
That's, and the point I was making is like, you can suppress people, you can call them down for a certain period of time, but after a while, you're going to have to figure something out.
joe rogan
My point I was going to make is, they're only looking at one side of it.
They're not looking at telling people how to be healthy.
There's no talk about that.
donnell rawlings
Nigga!
joe rogan
Yes.
donnell rawlings
Nigga!
joe rogan
That's what's up, right?
donnell rawlings
Son!
You a strong motherfucker.
All your niggas are strong.
Jamie might be the least strong out of everybody.
joe rogan
Stop with the dings.
Shut your phone's ding off, man.
donnell rawlings
Jamie, I'm not saying you not strong, son.
That's what you just said, though.
joe rogan
Yeah, but you're comparing him to Tony Hinchcliffe.
donnell rawlings
I'm just saying.
joe rogan
Or Red Band.
donnell rawlings
Oh yeah, I didn't forget about it.
joe rogan
Listen, he's got a deadly three-pointer.
He's got a deadly three-pointer and he runs.
Jamie's in shape.
donnell rawlings
That's black shape.
That's black people's shape.
joe rogan
He does pull-ups.
donnell rawlings
That's black people's shape.
Run, play basketball, and pull-ups.
And push-ups.
You do like the jail workouts.
joe rogan
Jamie's actually in good shape.
donnell rawlings
I know.
I believe it.
I'm sorry, Jamie.
I didn't mean to offend you, man.
unidentified
I get it.
joe rogan
He's back there.
He doesn't talk a lot.
unidentified
God damn.
donnell rawlings
I know.
Then when he finally talks, it's like, yo, when he finally talks...
joe rogan
Jamie, show him that video of you dunking, shooting three-pointers.
donnell rawlings
I never said he couldn't play basketball, son.
joe rogan
Dude, it's impressive.
Like Rain Man shit.
unidentified
No, no.
joe rogan
No, he can't dunk.
We're working on that.
He's hitting three-pointer after three-pointer like Rain Man.
There's something weird about him.
He might have a wire crossed in his brain.
donnell rawlings
I didn't know you was nice.
What I'm saying is, to go back to your point, Joe, is everybody's talking about the end of Corona.
Like Don Lemon, man.
Don Lemon, man.
Son, four years, son.
Four years straight, he complained.
He was mad at Donald Trump for four fucking years.
joe rogan
Yeah.
donnell rawlings
Four years.
And I was like, man, if Donald Trump wins this election, Don Lemon is going to jump off the CNN building.
joe rogan
Do you remember all their faces when he won last time?
When he won in 2016?
They were all so depressed.
donnell rawlings
Yeah.
joe rogan
Jake Tapper and all those people on TV just like, motherfucker, I can't believe this.
unidentified
Yeah.
donnell rawlings
But here's the thing, Joe.
I'm like...
joe rogan
I don't think you're supposed to do that if you're doing the news.
If you're doing commentary, you can do that.
I think if you're doing the news, you're supposed to say the news.
donnell rawlings
Joe.
joe rogan
Let us figure it out.
donnell rawlings
Joe.
joe rogan
Donnell.
donnell rawlings
Joe.
That's why I do subscribe to the notion that fake news.
Like, to be honest, it's all fake.
It's all of them are fake.
joe rogan
It's a lot of fake.
donnell rawlings
And this is what I did.
What I keep on telling people is like, I know you're upset, but when you're like, you're It's all personal.
Everything hits you to the heart.
joe rogan
Well, that's where it gets weird.
Those two guys, Chris Cuomo and Don Lemon, both of them, they do this editorializing.
It's almost like they're doing a podcast.
donnell rawlings
And their opinion is all in it.
joe rogan
And their opinion's in it, but it's also scripted.
donnell rawlings
It's on the other side, too.
joe rogan
But it's scripted.
donnell rawlings
Yeah.
joe rogan
And they're doing it on a news channel.
There's a lot going on there.
donnell rawlings
But that's why, if you don't...
Here's another thing about the media.
If you didn't understand, whatever party you agree with, if you don't understand...
How easy it is to manipulate the media, Joe?
It is so, so simple.
joe rogan
To manipulate the media?
donnell rawlings
To manipulate the media and the people to listen to it.
joe rogan
You can manipulate people.
What do you mean by manipulate the media?
donnell rawlings
You can create stories.
You can create stories.
You can make things happen.
I got shot!
joe rogan
I got shot in my motherfucking thumb!
That's what I heard.
donnell rawlings
And a lot of people don't believe me.
joe rogan
I believe you.
donnell rawlings
I don't believe that you believe me, Joe.
That's what I believe, motherfucker.
That's not convincing.
But the point I'm making is, like, when I first got shot, Joe, I posted on Instagram.
I didn't want to post on Instagram because I know that I didn't want to get no war in the streets going on.
People, like, going out looking for the person that shot me in my thumb.
So I kept it to myself.
It didn't really bring it to me, people's attention.
I posted one picture of me being in the hospital.
Everybody's like, you okay?
You okay?
They don't know what I got shot for, but they instantly got connected to that story.
joe rogan
Did you ever think of not posting it?
donnell rawlings
I did.
joe rogan
What made you decide to post it?
The world needs to know?
donnell rawlings
The world needs to know.
Some of the gigs I had to postpone when I was shot up, not locked up.
You know what I'm saying?
I wasn't ready to share to the world then.
I didn't know how my friends were going to take it.
Then I wanted to be transparent and be honest and let them know I got shot.
That's what I did.
You know?
joe rogan
I see.
donnell rawlings
You still don't believe me.
joe rogan
I do believe you.
I think you're just looking for a very specific reaction from me.
donnell rawlings
I gave that up a long time ago, bro.
I was like, whatever.
That was what made me nervous the first time I came up.
I'm like, what the fuck do I say?
Say what you say, nigga.
Don't try to...
Alright, I'm here!
You are here.
unidentified
But...
Are you thinking about bailing out of LA yet?
donnell rawlings
I think so.
joe rogan
Yeah, a lot of people are.
donnell rawlings
The reason that we've started feeling...
When we don't...
Well, you don't really need Hollywood like that.
joe rogan
I don't think anybody needs it anymore.
donnell rawlings
Some people thought they did.
You're right.
Some people thought they did.
They thought it was like you had to be here every night.
joe rogan
I thought I needed to be there for a long time.
donnell rawlings
And then once what happened in this situation, then you realize, oh, what can I do?
You're like, wait a minute.
I really can make my own community.
joe rogan
Yes.
donnell rawlings
I can make my own community.
joe rogan
Not only that, you get connected to all the other communities and all the other podcasts.
We all help each other.
We're all together.
donnell rawlings
I will say one thing white people do.
When it comes to podcasts, they support each other.
joe rogan
Yeah, we support each other.
But you know what, man?
That's a new thing.
Because in radio, it was the opposite.
When they had radio, they'd attack each other.
Like, I remember Opie and Anthony was always at war with Howard Stern, and Jay Leno was always at war with all the other late-night talk show hosts.
donnell rawlings
But did you think that that made people engaged?
joe rogan
No, no, no.
They were just scared.
Because they only had a...
Like, back in the day when you were on television or the radio, you had a very specific time slot.
You had 6am to 10am, right?
donnell rawlings
Day parts.
joe rogan
And other people are also on at 6am to 10am.
And no one's recording anything.
So you have to listen to it live.
I was a part of that.
donnell rawlings
I don't know if you...
I was a part of when Hot 97 was the biggest and Urban Radio in New York was the biggest.
And then I was doing radio when...
Power 105 came and became a competitor.
They had no competition at first.
It was just them.
Then they got challenged.
And that's what made for interesting shit between both of them.
It's like, yeah, we talk shit about...
97.1, 97.5, then 105. Then you start listening to both of them to see what shit they're talking.
joe rogan
You could do that if you're them, or you could listen, and if you like it, tell people it's good.
That's what podcasters do.
Like, if I'm listening to your show, I'll tell people, John L. Rollins' show is hilarious.
Or listen to this guy, or listen to her, or listen to...
I'll tell people I don't even fucking know, man.
I tell people about podcasts that I listen to from NPR or fucking Radiolab.
I always tell people.
Because I'm interested in cool shit.
I want to know about cool shit.
And if I find cool shit, I want to tell other people about cool shit.
I'm not worried.
donnell rawlings
People don't think that that's cool enough.
joe rogan
Well, they're worried about if they talk about something else, it's going to take opinions.
It's going to take attention away from them.
That's what's called famine thinking.
You can never think that.
unidentified
Famine?
joe rogan
Famine.
Feast or famine.
I'm a feast thinker.
I always think there's enough for everybody.
Everybody come aboard.
I want everybody to be happy.
I want everybody to make money.
I want everybody to be famous.
I want everybody to be happy.
I want them to be fulfilled.
I don't want to be the man.
That idea of being the man to me is ridiculous.
donnell rawlings
That's your idea, but on the outside of it, when you do stuff like that, for some people and their perception of you, that's what makes you the man.
That's what makes you, if you're able to inspire and motivate, that's what makes you the man that you say you're not.
joe rogan
Well, I'm happy if that's the case that people think that way, but I'm in a position to be generous, so I'm generous.
unidentified
They know it.
donnell rawlings
They hold it against you, too.
joe rogan
It feels good to be generous.
They hold it against me.
Who holds it against me?
donnell rawlings
People that don't like me.
joe rogan
They hold it against you that I have you on?
donnell rawlings
No, people that don't like me, they'll say something.
joe rogan
They hold it against me because you.
Oh, because like the RZA podcast?
unidentified
Jamie?
donnell rawlings
Is that what he's talking about?
No.
joe rogan
What are you talking about?
People who don't like you don't know you.
donnell rawlings
Yeah, but some people, they told me they wasn't going to like you anymore because you liked me.
joe rogan
Good luck.
If that's how crazy you are...
donnell rawlings
They said they wasn't going to like you because you didn't...
joe rogan
But that's ridiculous.
Anybody who thinks like that is out of their fucking mind.
donnell rawlings
They was saying shit like this, and I don't read the comments, Joe.
They were saying shit like this.
They were like, well, Joe was right up to this point...
Yo, they like you had a track record.
Like, yeah, I believe everything's said until he got loudmouthed up there.
joe rogan
Here's the thing.
I don't think anybody will ever understand the camaraderie that we all have, that comics have.
It's a different world.
donnell rawlings
But the podcast world is totally different.
Y'all motherfuckers.
Yo, y'all motherfuckers.
It's just like...
But man, the podcast world is so fucking dope.
And the podcast world was ready for the pandemic.
The podcast people was like this, what?
Pandemic?
I get to spend more time with my kids.
I get to spend more time with my kids.
joe rogan
And you get to spend more time doing podcasts because everybody's free.
Even if you have to do those stupid Zoom podcasts, you're still spending more time doing podcasts.
donnell rawlings
Yeah, but it's like you figured out like they knew it was going to happen before it fucking happened.
I came in right at the right time.
joe rogan
I don't think they knew it was going to happen before it happened, but I think they got lucky.
They got lucky that they were...
Look, man, back when I was just dependent upon Hollywood and gigs, I'd be fucked right now.
I'd have no income coming in.
donnell rawlings
But you saw the future, too, son.
I said this to you before.
Like, when you hear Joe Rogan, you hear about this Spotify deal, and you hear about all this type of shit, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah.
You don't understand?
Like I said, Joe, everybody wants to be you right now, but nobody wants to be you when people are saying no and equipment was breaking down and we didn't know we was going to do it.
joe rogan
The thing is, I didn't think about it that way.
I didn't think, like, I know this is going to blow up.
I thought, I like doing this.
I'm going to keep doing this.
donnell rawlings
So you just continue to have fun with it?
joe rogan
I just do what I like.
All the shit that I do, if you think about it, I just do what I like.
Whether it's stand-up comedy, or whether it's UFC commentary, or whether it's doing a podcast, I do what I like.
I do what I like.
I don't think, oh, if I do this, it's gonna be huge.
I just do what I like.
donnell rawlings
That's the most empowering thing that is so hard.
That's the most empowering thing that is so hard for people To feel comfortable enough to do it.
joe rogan
It's hard, yeah.
donnell rawlings
Because to turn it into...
This motherfucker says fuck bitches all the time.
You know what I'm saying?
They haven't figured out a way to get a W-9 or anything for it.
joe rogan
People get nervous about the future, too.
You gotta have enough confidence in yourself to take chances.
donnell rawlings
Do you think...
That there are a lot of pussies out here?
joe rogan
There's a lot of pussies out here.
donnell rawlings
Is our country pussy?
joe rogan
Our country has a lot of pussy in it because it's too easy to get by and it's human nature to become soft when things are easy.
And when you're in any sign of any kind of struggle whatsoever, that's when the real pussies emerge.
Because they can't handle any pressure.
donnell rawlings
Or they go.
joe rogan
Or they leave.
You see how bad they are.
Because they fall apart.
Any adversity at all.
This is beyond that now.
donnell rawlings
It's not beyond that now, Joe.
The reason why it's beyond that.
This is a personality trait.
Not to say that I'm a fan of Donald Trump or anything.
But it was certain things that I could understand where the thought comes from.
But how you articulate to people is all fucked up.
joe rogan
The way he articulated it to people is terrible at it.
donnell rawlings
Certain people need filters.
Certain people need, like, Kanye West needs an interpreter.
joe rogan
You know what he needed?
He needed a coach.
Because someone coached him for that second Biden debate.
If you watch that second Biden debate, he was calm and cool.
Let Biden work himself up and stammer and lie about shit.
And he had still attacked him, but he attacked him in a different way.
The first time he did it, he was obnoxious.
He kept talking over him.
He didn't let him talk.
It was ridiculous.
Everybody wanted to shut his mic off.
But then someone must have coached him for this, or he realized himself to take a different approach.
donnell rawlings
I'm going to tell you something about the difference.
I'm going to tell you something about the difference.
Whatever numbers you say, the loser of this election still won, breaking the record.
joe rogan
I know, isn't that crazy?
donnell rawlings
Second place still was...
Second place would be first place.
Any other time.
In history, it would have shitted on everything.
joe rogan
That's nuts.
It shows everybody realize it's important to find...
When you realize that a guy like Donald Trump can become president, you realize, oh my God, it's actually important to vote.
donnell rawlings
Yo, bruh.
You know, it has to...
Until you see those numbers, yo, it was like...
It was crazy.
It was like in certain places separated by 5,000 votes.
joe rogan
I know.
donnell rawlings
10,000 votes.
joe rogan
Yeah, it was tight.
donnell rawlings
And you could say, you could make an argument.
It could have went either way.
Here's the situation.
Man, Donald Trump let it be known that he didn't give a fuck about anybody but his base.
joe rogan
Yeah, pretty much.
donnell rawlings
That's it.
And I'm not saying, if it's a numbers game, understand that.
Like, there's a certain amount of people that will help you get elected.
There's a certain amount of people.
That's why you have strategists and shit.
They'll be like, if we do this, we get these robocalls here and everything.
You know, it's the science to that.
There's certain people that can help you get there.
unidentified
Well, if he...
joe rogan
If he softened his approach up, I think the base would not have appreciated it.
It's like, love him or hate him.
It's very polarizing.
donnell rawlings
To hate him works for a situation.
joe rogan
Whereas Biden, I don't think people love Biden.
donnell rawlings
Something has to be...
I don't think they dislike him either.
joe rogan
But they hate Trump.
The people that voted for Biden hate Trump.
Most of them.
Or just feel like we just can't do this anymore.
donnell rawlings
The people that voted for Biden hate Trump.
joe rogan
But they're not excited about him the way they're excited about Obama or excited about Clinton or excited about a million other presidents in the past.
donnell rawlings
Yeah, but for the most part, every time it switches over, it's because somebody goes totally opposite of what was going on.
joe rogan
Yeah, there's a little bit of that.
But it's usually bullshit.
donnell rawlings
It's bullshit, man.
But I'm like, man...
joe rogan
These old stories.
These old stories that they're repeating over and over again.
Biden is filling up his cabinet with all these billionaire hedge fund people's...
Not hedge fund people, but like the guy that is involved in environmental.
He just hired some guy that people are upset about.
I don't know what color he is.
I was reading about the environmental advisor.
donnell rawlings
That's important to me.
joe rogan
Because he worked for a fucking oil company.
The black part is important to me. - An environmental advisor was taking money from fossil fuel companies.
And they're like, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey.
This guy has ties to fossil fuels and you're doing something with him that involves the environment.
There could be a conflict of interest.
That's what I'm saying.
donnell rawlings
Yeah.
joe rogan
If he's a black guy, okay.
donnell rawlings
Yeah, if he's a black guy.
joe rogan
We'll find out right now.
I think they're probably going to hire a lot of Republicans.
That's what they did.
donnell rawlings
They already started.
Black guy.
joe rogan
They're going to hire a lot of people that want to...
Listen, in their defense, they probably think some radical things need to be done to kickstart the economy right now.
The economy's kind of fucked.
donnell rawlings
I agree, but I don't know how they're going to be able to work together.
joe rogan
I think they're all dirty, bro.
They all work together.
Here it goes.
Biden just appointed his climate movement liaison.
unidentified
Black man!
donnell rawlings
Black man!
Yes!
Told you, son!
joe rogan
It's a fossil fuel industry ally.
unidentified
Black!
joe rogan
Yeah.
There he is.
donnell rawlings
Black!
Look at black as shit.
That's all I need, Joe.
joe rogan
There you go.
He raked in big money from fossil fuel industry while waiting to help oil and gas companies.
Or voting, rather, to help oil and gas companies.
donnell rawlings
Look how he's greeting them.
It's different.
joe rogan
Look, he's giving them knuckles.
Hey, fella.
donnell rawlings
My motherfucker.
joe rogan
There's a video of Lindsey Graham and Kamala Harris fist bumping each other.
It's adorable.
donnell rawlings
Kamala Harris.
joe rogan
Reaching across the aisle.
donnell rawlings
That was a good move.
joe rogan
He's walking by, fist bumps.
Well, she's the only good move.
She's strong.
You know, she was a district attorney.
She got some questionable arrests on her.
donnell rawlings
Of course.
joe rogan
There's some shit that she did imprisoning people and keeping them in prison to use them to fight wildfires and shit, but...
donnell rawlings
In my community, I've heard people talk about her and everything.
You have trust in her?
You believe in her?
What I did believe in was when she got elected to be the first female vice president, first black president.
Within a couple of days, the commercials I've seen on different urban platforms, or just period, It's been, you see a little black girl, right?
Looking up to something.
You know?
joe rogan
We see that shadow with her standing there and the little black girls in the shadow.
donnell rawlings
Black girls in the shadow.
But the little girls are just showing us like this.
You could be that person.
Yeah, they feel black girl joy.
They see something...
joe rogan
She also, you know, she didn't do just bad things.
She did a lot of good things.
She prosecuted a lot of child sex predators, a lot of pieces of shit, a lot of bad people.
It wasn't just the situations where people should have been let out of jail and weren't.
But there's also, like...
This is the thing that we have to realize when it comes to district attorneys and just attorneys and prosecutors and defense attorneys in general.
They're trying to win a game.
And it gets dirty.
When I tell you what my prosecutor screams?
You haven't yet, but I'm sure you will.
donnell rawlings
Sorry, go ahead.
joe rogan
You're trying to prosecute people or defend people.
The people defend people they know are fucking guilty.
And they'll keep shit from the prosecution even though they know they're defending a guilty person.
They do it all the time.
And people prosecute people that they're not sure are guilty.
And they'll pretend they're sure that that person's guilty because they want to win.
And they'll withhold information that could potentially exonerate that person because they're playing a game.
When you let people play a game, anytime you let people play a game and someone's trying to win, they cheat.
They try to figure out a way to do better than you with influence, by withholding things, by holding things back.
They know this judge.
They're tight with this lawyer.
They try to win a game.
You've made it a game.
So you've got a prosecutor and you've got a defense attorney.
So you've got two competing forces.
You're always going to have lies.
donnell rawlings
100%.
joe rogan
Because people play games.
So that was the business she's in.
unidentified
Us saying that she did this, that's her business.
donnell rawlings
That's her business.
And they are a business of words.
Like you're saying, there's no personal connection.
joe rogan
She's in the business of laws.
How do I win with...
donnell rawlings
Laws, but laws are the word.
How do I win with these words right here?
No matter what you think, how do I win with this?
Come on, Kamala, you know that's not right.
We're not talking about right.
We're talking about what we can prove.
And that's what law is all about, right?
joe rogan
Well, if you are a defense attorney, that's your job is to protect somebody and try to get them off even if they might be guilty.
And if you're a prosecutor, your job is to prosecute somebody.
Your job is not to go, hey, we might be wrong.
Your job is not to go, hey, let's...
But the shady shit is when you don't play by the rules and you withhold information or withhold evidence.
And people have done that in the past, and that's when things get real squirrely.
Because, like, okay, now you're not playing the game.
You're using your unfair advantage of being able to suppress...
donnell rawlings
But nothing surprises you.
joe rogan
Nothing surprises you.
No, it doesn't surprise me.
But what I'm saying is it doesn't make a person all bad.
She's not all bad.
She's done a lot of very good things.
I read an article about all the different things she did, including the different things that she did that a lot of people thought were bad, like threatening moms that they would go to jail if their son was truant.
But it turns out no one ever went to jail.
It was a threat, and obviously it's terrifying to be a single mom and think you might get put in jail because your son is just running around and doesn't show up at school because you've worked two jobs trying to put food on the table.
But nobody ever actually did get arrested and went to jail.
donnell rawlings
Yeah, because it's going to be too hard to prove that shit, man.
And in some cases, some people are too lazy in certain situations, too.
joe rogan
Well, I'm saying it's not a good idea to threaten a mother because she's a single mom trying to get by and her son is not going to school.
It's not good to threaten her with jail time.
But sometimes people make decisions.
Yeah, sometimes people make decisions, like drastic decisions like that.
And maybe at the time they had a perspective that's different than the perspective that they have now.
donnell rawlings
It's called evolution.
joe rogan
I want everybody to have a clean slate.
Biden and Harris are in there now.
I think clean slate.
Forget about, but let's see what they can do.
See who the people they put into office, all the cabinet.
Let's give them a chance.
We want them to do well.
This is what was so fucked up about Trump being in office.
donnell rawlings
So many people hated him.
joe rogan
Exactly.
So many people hated him.
They really would rather the country do bad under him.
unidentified
Because if the country was killing it under him, he's like, Look, it's killing it.
joe rogan
I'm the best.
unidentified
I told you.
joe rogan
Then everybody's like, fuck!
At least, maybe, please, even Trump supporters, go into this one with a different attitude.
Let's all together say, we want the best for America.
What's done is done.
The election's over.
Maybe you were a Tulsi Gabbard fan like myself.
Maybe you like Bernie Sanders like myself.
Maybe you like fucking Jim Bush.
donnell rawlings
Yang Gang.
joe rogan
I love Yang Gang.
I love Andrew Yang.
He's an awesome guy.
I love a lot of his ideas.
But for now, we know where it is.
It's Biden and Harris.
unidentified
Let's want them to be the best.
donnell rawlings
But them niggas mad, Joe.
Them motherfucking Trump-Trump-Trumpers.
You got different level Trumpers.
joe rogan
Well, there's a lot of people that think that so.
donnell rawlings
There's something mad as a motherfucker that don't want to hear shit, son.
joe rogan
Part of the problem is he's telling them that it's a rigged election.
He's telling them it's a rigged election.
donnell rawlings
That's what's so fucked up.
joe rogan
But part of the problem is all elections have some corruption.
They just fucking do.
They've been around forever.
donnell rawlings
But not enough for you to say, nigga, when you leaving, nigga?
joe rogan
I don't think there's any...
donnell rawlings
Did he keep his secrets and shit, Joe?
joe rogan
Well, Mike Baker, who used to be in the CIA, was on here.
donnell rawlings
Mike Baker or your Baker?
joe rogan
Mike.
His name is Mike Baker.
He was in the CIA and he came on the podcast recently.
He was telling me that even if they did overturn it, even if they did rather like find corruption, the amount of votes you're talking about in most of these states, it's not enough.
It would have to be crazy corruption.
donnell rawlings
Yeah, like he's talking about five or six people, bro.
And that's the petty shit?
joe rogan
No, no, it's not five or six people.
I think they uncovered two different things today in, I want to say it's Michigan, where they found a memory card that had more votes for Trump than Biden, but it was close.
It was like 1,000 for Biden and 1,000, a few hundred for Trump, like 400 or 500 for Trump.
donnell rawlings
Where did he get the memory card from, son?
joe rogan
I do not know.
donnell rawlings
Come on, Joe.
joe rogan
I think there's a lot of unorganization.
donnell rawlings
That nigga could have brought up any memory card.
joe rogan
Someone who's counting votes got the memory card from the machines.
donnell rawlings
Who told you that story?
joe rogan
This is in the news.
donnell rawlings
Which news outlet?
joe rogan
It was in three or four different ones that I saw.
donnell rawlings
And they all said the same thing?
joe rogan
Well, they all said that there was a memory card that was discovered and they showed the counts in the memory card.
But they've also found other ballots that didn't get counted yet.
There's just a lot of disarray.
You're dealing with human beings that are counting memory cards.
Millions of votes.
Millions in the percentage.
And they're counting a lot of them just paper.
They're getting mail and they're opening it up and they have to find out.
donnell rawlings
This is what I didn't understand.
This is what I didn't understand, Joe.
This was so funny.
It kind of like backfired, right?
That the mail-in votes is what killed Trump.
That's what they're saying.
joe rogan
Yes.
donnell rawlings
For the most part.
And the funny thing about it, Trump has the type of following that he literally could tell them to do anything they're going to do it.
He told motherfuckers not to mail in.
joe rogan
Yeah.
Well, he wanted to make a point, coming in person.
Well, this is the point, right?
donnell rawlings
Joe, answer this question.
How do you make that point?
Understand making that point when you're not in the middle of a fucking pandemic.
You know what I'm saying?
That would have been a great argument in 16. Especially for old folks, right?
For anybody that wants to participate, but the only thing that would stop them is if they're going to go outside and risk their lives.
So you're not thinking to give that person the opportunity to be a part of it?
joe rogan
Yeah.
donnell rawlings
And that's the part that kind of fucked it up.
joe rogan
Well, I don't know if he definitely wanted people to vote in person, but did he ever encourage people to vote by mail as well?
No, it wasn't!
He was always saying that mail was going to get a fraud.
donnell rawlings
Son, this whole shit was crowdsizing.
I'm like, nigga, somebody, Secret Service, break the secret.
Tell this motherfucker that the corona is out here.
joe rogan
He caught it.
He knows it was out there.
donnell rawlings
This nigga caught it.
joe rogan
Yeah.
donnell rawlings
Right?
And gave all the Secret Service it.
joe rogan
Give a lot of people it.
unidentified
But they can't.
donnell rawlings
Secret Service can't say nothing because they're Secret Service.
They got to keep it a secret.
joe rogan
I'm sure they're young and healthy too.
They probably shook it off pretty easy.
donnell rawlings
Decided people don't understand.
joe rogan
They probably got the same medicine he got, you know?
donnell rawlings
A lot of that medicine is called your immune system being up to par.
Everybody that's talking about this shit is the lazy route.
No one wants to say...
joe rogan
Just a little bit of that, but they also gave him a bunch of experimental shit.
They gave him this antibody blood transfusion medication.
They gave him...
What was it called?
Regeneron?
Is that what it's called, Jamie?
unidentified
I think so.
joe rogan
They gave him some other...
I don't know if it's experimental or if it's recently been released.
They gave him that medication.
They gave him a steroid.
They gave him a bunch of different things all at once.
So he got a cocktail shit that made him feel great.
donnell rawlings
I was gonna say, not only that, son, how much is that cocktail?
That's not no easy cocktail.
joe rogan
It's not cheap.
And he wants that to be able to be given to everybody.
But I don't know if that's feasible at the moment.
To make those doses.
Well, it's not just to make the money.
Just to make the doses.
Like, say if they have all that medication and all that blood antibody medication and all this different stuff, they're going to give him the steroids.
To make that for 300 million people, that's so many people.
So if everybody gets sick, you have a dose.
We have one dose for every human being in this country.
Even if you have one dose for half the people.
donnell rawlings
You could get it done if your money is right.
joe rogan
It's all of them.
You would need 300 million vials of this shit.
That's so much.
donnell rawlings
You're not going to need all of those.
joe rogan
And probably more than that because you're probably going to need multiple vials per person.
donnell rawlings
They wouldn't even make that number for everybody to get one.
They wouldn't make that number.
That number's going to be broken down by, okay, what's the criteria to get this?
You know what I'm saying?
joe rogan
Well, also, it would be, how many people do we really want to get it to?
Because how many people are going to be sick at any one given time?
It's probably never going to be more than 25% of the population, even if it's high.
donnell rawlings
But even if it comes out, Joe, motherfuckers, I'm telling you, certain motherfuckers are not taking that vaccine for whatever reason.
joe rogan
Yeah, I think you're right.
donnell rawlings
The black community is fucked.
Niggas ain't fucked with no vaccine, too.
It's like an iPhone, son.
You need the third one.
No black person is going to take it.
joe rogan
I think there's a lot of people that are not going to take it, but I think what they think is herd immunity.
Once we get to 50% of the people that took it, the virus will probably die off.
I think it's going to be in that neighborhood of 50% of the people that had it.
If either 50% of the people either have had COVID or have the vaccine for COVID, they think we're going to hit herd immunity and mostly die off.
But it could always kick back in again.
That's what they're worried about, that it's going to be like the common cold or the flu every year.
donnell rawlings
Would you take a vaccine?
joe rogan
Yeah, for sure.
If it works, yeah.
If it's been proven that it works, and I talk to doctors and they explain what the science is and how it works, and then I talk to people that have taken it and they say, you know, what the side effects are.
Because with the COVID vaccine, I think the side effects are you feel like shit for a couple days.
donnell rawlings
Who can't deal with feeling like shit for a couple days?
How happy are you when you can't lose two days?
joe rogan
Yeah.
Yeah, I would definitely do it if I thought it was safe.
I don't know enough about it right now to say that I think, I mean, that was one of the things that Nicholas Christakis was talking about yesterday.
He was talking about the potential dangers for the vaccine.
And I appreciate that he brought that up because it's such a sensitive area for people.
They think that if you think there's a danger in any kind of vaccine, you're some sort of anti-vaxxer.
No, there's a potential for danger of any medication when you're dealing with mass numbers of human beings.
If you have 300 million people and you give them aspirin, I don't know what percentage, but some people are going to die from aspirin, or they're going to get really sick from aspirin.
It's the same with everything.
Substances you put in people's bodies, everybody reacts differently.
People die from fucking Brazil nuts.
donnell rawlings
Yeah, but them motherfuckers want to waste time with these home remedies and shit, man.
Them home remedies, I mean, they're cool for some people, but eventually, man, you're going to have to talk to somebody.
joe rogan
Yeah, for sure, if you've got a real disease.
The people that want to cure cancer by not going to a doctor are like, whoa.
They can fix it now.
There's a lot of cancers.
Not all of them, of course, but there's a lot of cancer.
You're way better off having cancer now with modern medicine than you were having it 15-20 years ago.
That said, all that remedy shit, the best remedy for all this, besides the medicine if you actually get sick, is to fucking take care of yourself.
That's what I'm hoping people get out of this.
donnell rawlings
More people take care of themselves.
It's easy.
It's convenient.
I don't understand how you can ignore that.
joe rogan
Because it's convenient.
As long as you're not sick, you don't think you're going to get sick.
You stay home.
If you don't have to go anywhere, you just stay home.
And a lot of people just...
They just stop exercising.
They stop eating well.
They stop drinking water.
And they fuck their body up.
And then if something does...
You don't realize how much of a difference it makes in being healthy and not being healthy when something hits you.
A virus hits you.
A cold hits you.
You see...
donnell rawlings
When I got shot, son.
joe rogan
There you go.
donnell rawlings
I had to get the fucking IV antibiotics, son.
joe rogan
Well, you guys get IVs all the time.
You're always doing vitamin IVs on tour, right?
donnell rawlings
Vitaflow.
unidentified
Vitaflow.
donnell rawlings
It's a company.
joe rogan
That's such a good move.
donnell rawlings
It is.
You did it, too.
joe rogan
When we did that, that was the first time I'd ever done that.
donnell rawlings
Well, really?
joe rogan
Vitamin IV, yeah.
Maybe I'd done one once before then.
donnell rawlings
Yo, but you was on it hard, son.
joe rogan
Oh, I'm on it hard now.
donnell rawlings
Yo, you had everything open.
You was like, give me one right here.
You had half your ass out, son.
joe rogan
I'm like, what you got?
She gave me a B12 shot in my ass.
donnell rawlings
And I saw your ass.
I was sitting right there.
I was like, nigga, take that shit across the street.
He had his fucking stomach out and his ass out.
I was like, I know you're not.
joe rogan
Yeah, well, the glutathione was amazing.
That stuff is great.
The vitamin drip was amazing.
We started getting them every week.
We slacked off, though, once we got here to Texas.
We haven't been doing it in Texas.
donnell rawlings
Man, that motherfucker, I'm telling you about when I did Yellow Springs this summer, that was probably one of the things that made that experience so amazing is that we were living in our own bubble and playing by our own rules and everybody was having a good time and it was all productive.
joe rogan
Yeah, it worked.
It worked.
You guys put on a lot of shows.
donnell rawlings
Adult summer camps.
joe rogan
Yeah, it's beautiful.
donnell rawlings
It was like, the shows are one thing.
But the thing that was great for me was just the whole sense of community.
You know what I'm saying?
We would have potlucks and shit, and then I would have all the housewives of Yellow Springs ascend.
Yo, dumb motherfuckers out there, dumb motherfucking Yellow Springs chicks, wives, they won't get upset with anything but a casserole dish, son.
Like, they was looking for a Rachel Ray Casual disc I had for like a week.
They were stalking where I was living and everything.
But the sense of community, man, it's like, in that area, it's one coffee shop, Dinos, everybody go there.
It's one grocery store.
It's just one of everything.
joe rogan
That's nice.
donnell rawlings
And it was so simple.
joe rogan
Well, that's better, really.
There's real good things about cities, but the thing that's missing is that camaraderie, that sense of community.
donnell rawlings
Nature.
City slickers.
They were calling me a city slicker.
joe rogan
I saw the videos of you and the river.
donnell rawlings
Yo, Joe.
It was the whitest, greatest adventure of the summer.
I... Became the river nigga.
That's the original name.
I'll tell you the truth, son.
joe rogan
You look so peaceful.
donnell rawlings
I am at peace, son.
Listen, Joe.
unidentified
What does it say on the quote there?
joe rogan
Forever mood.
River bitches love the river ninja.
donnell rawlings
The river ninja, they do, son.
Bitches love me out there, son.
All them earthy bitches that got quartz and rocks and shit, son.
Yo, I'm talking about bitches, farmers, market bitches out there like me.
joe rogan
I understand what you're saying.
donnell rawlings
They love me, like women with rescue dogs.
joe rogan
That's a great picture, man.
donnell rawlings
Jamie, get that- Look how peaceful I was, son.
I was a river nigga.
I had to change the name, Joe.
joe rogan
Jamie, get that picture framed.
I need that picture.
Let's get that picture printed on steel.
unidentified
Get that.
Yo, I had- Who took the photograph?
Federico.
donnell rawlings
Federico.
Did I tag him?
unidentified
Yeah.
donnell rawlings
Where is Federico?
joe rogan
There he is.
Get a hold of Federico.
We need that picture in the studio.
donnell rawlings
Yo, he's such a talented fucking producer and everything, man.
joe rogan
Beautiful.
But that would be a great picture to frame in here.
donnell rawlings
Yo, I fell in love.
Joe, people think it's a joke.
joe rogan
It's nature.
donnell rawlings
Are you going to let me describe me?
joe rogan
Yeah, I'll let you.
donnell rawlings
First name I came up with, it was River Nigger, right?
And I like that for the streets, right?
But people's like, I don't know if we can put that on t-shirts.
They're looking at it from a marquee brandy point, right?
And I was like, okay, Ninja.
You know what I mean?
But he's inspired by the River Nigga.
joe rogan
But Ninja's for TV. There's many layers to the story.
donnell rawlings
Many layers to it.
joe rogan
Do you fish?
donnell rawlings
I fish.
joe rogan
Did you go fishing at all when you guys were dying?
donnell rawlings
I didn't get a chance to go fishing there.
But this was me at a river in Georgia, son.
joe rogan
Changes your mind, right?
donnell rawlings
It's everything, son.
joe rogan
Changes your mind.
When you buy a waterfall, you're like, oh...
There's something about these natural things like mountains or ocean.
donnell rawlings
Nature, nigga.
Nature.
Nature free as shit, son.
joe rogan
Yep.
It's good for you.
donnell rawlings
Look at me, son.
Let me tell you.
I know exactly.
They said, when did I turn into a river, nigga?
Right?
They said, when did I turn?
When do I remember to change?
Right?
It was when...
joe rogan
Look at that waterfall, man.
That's crazy.
donnell rawlings
Yo, let me tell you the story, son.
So, when we were out there...
Chappelle's wife used to make these events.
Hey, it's Family Walk Day.
I'm like, man, fuck that.
I'm from the streets.
I'm not doing all that stupid shit.
She had all these days, like, every day had a goddamn adventure or a start.
What's today?
You got to look at a little brochure and shit.
And then one day she did one and was kayaking, right?
And I went on this kayak, and it was me and my man Patrick.
He's in Yellow Spring.
He's a Yellow Spring native, whatever.
And we were going down the river, Mad River, I had a kayak.
He had a kayak.
We were smoking a joint.
And we just hear nature.
It's like...
Just straight nature, right?
And then he said, man, you know what this reminds me of?
He said, this reminds me of when I was younger, building ramps, jumping ramps on my bike, and me fishing for crawdads with my dad.
I was like, nigga, this remind me of looking for my dad.
His stories, the two stories were totally opposite.
It represented one thing for him, memories he had with his dad.
For me, it represented the memories I didn't have with my dad and the memories I wanted to create with my son.
You know what I'm saying?
When I was out there, Joe, all that thing was like, I got to bring this little motherfucker to the river.
He's got to be out here.
He's got friends out there.
And my son came out there, and the summer was beautiful.
But one thing was missing, no matter how you're celebrating in life, right?
If you're not sharing with your family, it feels weird.
joe rogan
Yeah, for sure.
donnell rawlings
You know, it feels like, oh man, I don't even know if it's fair for me to have this much fun.
And although how great the summer was going, when he came out, he was hanging with me on the river and shit, man.
It was like the best shit ever.
Son, we were skipping.
Jamie, you know how to skip rocks?
Of course.
Do you know how to skip?
unidentified
Yeah.
donnell rawlings
It's in the wrist, right?
joe rogan
I was in the Boy Scouts.
donnell rawlings
Yo, don't say you're the Boy Scouts today, son.
unidentified
Why?
donnell rawlings
They might have played with your booty holes, son.
Yo, there's a lot of them, man.
Don't tell me.
Don't be proud of the Boy Scouts.
Pick another division, son, not the Boy Scouts.
joe rogan
Nothing ever happened to my booty hole.
I had a great time.
I hung out with a bunch of criminals.
donnell rawlings
That's what you do in the Boy Scouts.
We were skipping rocks.
joe rogan
Yeah.
Yeah.
donnell rawlings
I didn't know it was that much precision.
joe rogan
It depends on the rock.
Like, you really want a nice flat rock.
donnell rawlings
A nice flat rock.
joe rogan
You get a flat rock, you can do some wild shit.
donnell rawlings
When we were going out every day, Talib Kweli, right?
He thinks he's a river nigga, right?
He told us one day, I could skip any rock.
You know what type of...
unidentified
Any rock.
donnell rawlings
He said, no matter how big it is, I could skip any rock.
joe rogan
That doesn't seem likely.
donnell rawlings
That's the fucking Brooklyn cockiness he had, right?
joe rogan
Yeah.
donnell rawlings
It was just like...
It was like, the next time we went, he wants to challenge me in rock skipping again.
This time this motherfucker was pulling rocks out of his shorts.
joe rogan
He had rocks with him already.
He prepared.
donnell rawlings
Joe, he came with all perfect flat river rocks.
joe rogan
Oh, that's crazy.
donnell rawlings
He didn't bend over.
joe rogan
Is there a world championship of rock skipping?
It seems like people would take it super seriously.
donnell rawlings
I think it would.
I think it's something to think.
I'm pretty sure it's done somewhere.
joe rogan
I never thought about it to this moment, but I'm sure there's got to be a competition.
A rock-skipping competition.
donnell rawlings
And they got groupie bitches?
joe rogan
Like the girls who, it's off-season for bowling, so they go after rock skippers?
donnell rawlings
Yeah, we heard you had a 10-skipper last week.
A 10 skipper could get you a blowjob, son.
That's gonna get you some WAP. If you're looking for WAP, do a 10 skipper, son.
joe rogan
A 10 skipper?
donnell rawlings
You know what WAP is, right?
joe rogan
I do.
donnell rawlings
Who educated you to it?
Because I don't think, no disrespect to your hip-hop or whatever, someone introduced you to WAP. I don't know.
joe rogan
It might have been Jamie.
Was it you?
Could be.
Yeah, because of the Ben Shapiro video.
Oh, that's right.
That's right.
That's right.
Yeah.
donnell rawlings
Which was it?
joe rogan
Because Ben Shapiro was like, you know when people self-own, they don't realize they're self-owning?
donnell rawlings
Right.
joe rogan
When the song's about wet-ass pussy, he's like, well, that sounds like a gynecological condition.
donnell rawlings
I would tend to...
joe rogan
And people are like, what?
That's not the point, Ben.
donnell rawlings
I know the point is, but I understand that.
I understand his point.
That's an abnormal amount of moisture.
joe rogan
Yes.
donnell rawlings
To be able to come up with a whole song about it, it's like, it's a level...
joe rogan
What do you think would happen if you came out with a song called Hard-Ass Dick?
donnell rawlings
I want to do it.
joe rogan
Would not be received that well.
With as minimal controversy as Wet-Ass...
donnell rawlings
Certain songs gotta be answers.
joe rogan
Right.
donnell rawlings
Like answers to a song.
joe rogan
To wet ass pussies.
donnell rawlings
K. Michelle had a song, You Can't Change a Man.
Right?
And I flipped it and did a song called You Can't Raise a Bitch.
You Can't Save a Bitch.
That was the name of the song.
Can't Save a Bitch.
joe rogan
Do you remember when they used to have songs and then they would have answer songs?
There's been a bunch of those.
Someone would have a song and then someone would have a response song to that song.
donnell rawlings
Like Scrubs...
joe rogan
Yes!
donnell rawlings
They had Scrubs.
Then they had another one.
I can't remember, but I know you said that.
joe rogan
Wasn't I Saw You Standing in the Rain?
Wasn't there one of those?
donnell rawlings
Orange Juice Jones?
joe rogan
Wasn't there an answer song to that?
Orange Juice Jones.
donnell rawlings
If I know any answer to that, I just immediately told how old I am.
To know Orange Juice Jones and how cool he was.
joe rogan
Orange Juice Jones was the shit.
That song was the best at the time.
That was an original kind of song.
There never been a song that told the whole story of getting done wrong like that.
donnell rawlings
Especially it didn't tell in the rain.
joe rogan
Right.
donnell rawlings
Everybody knows that story.
But you followed this couple in the rain.
joe rogan
Yeah.
And then at the end, when he chopped up the credit cards.
unidentified
He got back with revenge.
joe rogan
Yeah.
donnell rawlings
He's like, go on, bitch.
Get out of here.
He had his credit cards and everything.
joe rogan
Yeah.
That was a song that made people happy.
donnell rawlings
Hey Joe, I came over here.
I'm not selling shit.
joe rogan
You got more stuff?
donnell rawlings
Yeah, look.
You remember this, right?
Remember my Black Ash, right?
joe rogan
Yes.
donnell rawlings
Alright, here.
That's a re-up.
joe rogan
Thank you.
We kept the other one in California because we weren't sure if we were going to be going back and forth.
donnell rawlings
Yeah, you got that one.
Look at this one right here.
There's some hoes in this house candle.
That's for a holiday, Joe.
joe rogan
It's a ho, ho, ho hose.
Not like H-O-E. There's some hoes in this house candle.
donnell rawlings
Yo, look at this one, though, Joe.
Because I fell in love with Yellow Spring.
That's one of my top sellers, Joe.
joe rogan
Oh, Yellow Spring candle.
From the streets to the creeks.
donnell rawlings
From the hoods to the woods.
From whores to oars.
From Adidas to divas, son.
I got a whole story, boom.
And this for the white chicks out there, because I got a lot of white bitches out there now.
joe rogan
Okay, Karen Candle.
unidentified
Mm-hmm.
joe rogan
Imagine if your name was Karen and you were fine for like 30 years.
donnell rawlings
Joe, there's more!
Look at this, son.
That's a hemp bag, son.
joe rogan
I feel like all of a sudden we turn into the home shopping network.
donnell rawlings
That's what I wanted to avoid, Joe, but at the same time, I opened up an online store, son, and it's doing well.
joe rogan
Okay.
Do you have a website that we could just put up on screen instead of bringing all these objects out one after another?
donnell rawlings
Joe, you call it...
No, listen.
joe rogan
Oh, you have like a little thing.
You scan with the phone.
donnell rawlings
You call them objects.
I don't call it objects.
joe rogan
Products?
donnell rawlings
Man, give me my candle back, man.
joe rogan
What is it if it's not a product?
donnell rawlings
No, just if you don't want them, Joe, give them back.
unidentified
I do.
donnell rawlings
You gonna use them?
joe rogan
I'll definitely use them.
donnell rawlings
All right.
joe rogan
I like candles.
donnell rawlings
Those are good, too.
And they're soy, too.
joe rogan
They're soy?
donnell rawlings
Yeah, and they're hand-poured in the USA. You can have them back.
unidentified
I don't do anything with soy.
donnell rawlings
It's a candle, man.
unidentified
Yeah.
donnell rawlings
Don't disrespect that.
People want that.
joe rogan
People get mad at soy.
Soy is like a political fruit or a vegetable.
donnell rawlings
Is it?
joe rogan
Yeah, yeah, yeah.
People call you a soy boy.
If you're a Republican, people call weak men soy boys.
It's an insult.
donnell rawlings
I never knew that.
joe rogan
Soy is one of the rare foods that's actually attached to being a bitch.
donnell rawlings
That's a pussy food?
joe rogan
Yeah, like, if you're a guy who's really into soy, and this is not my perspective, this is just, I just think it's a fucking, it's a plant.
It doesn't matter to me.
Right.
Isn't that edamame?
Isn't that soy?
Like, when you have edamame at a Japanese restaurant, isn't it soy?
donnell rawlings
Yes.
joe rogan
Yeah.
Is that the case, Jamie?
donnell rawlings
The first time I ever tried edamame, I was so ghetto.
joe rogan
Did you eat the whole thing?
donnell rawlings
Yeah, and I was like, my throat was killing me, son.
joe rogan
The best part is the outside.
donnell rawlings
I didn't know anything about it, goddamn.
joe rogan
They put all the delicious salt and everything on the outside.
donnell rawlings
The sea salt, yeah, some sea salt.
joe rogan
If you had a bowl of just edamame...
donnell rawlings
It takes away from it.
joe rogan
You wouldn't even want it.
donnell rawlings
It's the whole process.
It's the whole process of ripping a sleeve.
joe rogan
Edamame beans are whole, immature soybeans, sometimes referred to as vegetable-type soybeans.
They're green and different color from regular soybeans, which are typically light brown, tan, or beige.
Yeah, so it's the soy.
I like it a moment.
I don't mind soy, but a lot of people think of soy as being like a bitch food.
donnell rawlings
I never knew that.
I thought it was a healthy...
I mean, I knew it was not the most masculine food, but I thought it was like you stepped your game up.
When you enter the edamame lane, it's like, oh shit, this motherfucker eat edamame now.
joe rogan
I think there's a reason.
I think soy lowers your testosterone.
I think there's like estrogen.
Yeah.
Yeah.
Soy isoflavones can produce estrogen-like activity in the body, mimicking the effects of natural estrogen.
Yeah.
But I think you have to...
donnell rawlings
You can grow titties off of soy?
joe rogan
Not quite, but it might feminize you.
It might feminize you.
donnell rawlings
Fuck sorry, man.
joe rogan
Plants affect your hormone production.
Do you know they actually develop testosterone, like synthetic testosterone, from wild yams?
Like plants, yeah.
donnell rawlings
From wild yams?
joe rogan
Wild yams, yeah.
That's how they develop some artificial testosterone or exogenous testosterone.
donnell rawlings
I would think that that would be part of the whole Cialis and Blue pill era, too.
joe rogan
That's a different thing, though.
That's just blood flow.
That's nitrous oxide.
donnell rawlings
So why is nobody promoting wild yams?
joe rogan
Not nitrous oxide.
Nitrous...
What is it?
Nitric.
Nitric oxide.
That's like NO explode, all those pump things you do when you want to get jacked.
We're lifting weights.
A lot of those supplements, they mimic the same sort of effect, just not to the same degree as finasteride, like Viagra and Cialis and shit like that.
But they don't make you have more testosterone.
With these, like soybeans, and I think really for it to affect your hormones, I think it's just like it can, it's a possibility chemically, but in order to actually do it, I think you'd have to eat some fucking preposterous number of soybeans.
I don't think it's something people really have to worry about.
No, I don't think it's anything anybody really has to worry about.
But I think it's just a stereotype.
donnell rawlings
For me, I didn't even know the stereotype.
joe rogan
Yeah, they call people soy boys.
donnell rawlings
I didn't know that.
I thought it was like you're evolving as a foodie.
You know, like the first time I was like, oh shit, y'all niggas don't know about the edamamis.
Because I was introducing somebody else to it, but I didn't know that it symbolized being a pussy.
joe rogan
It doesn't.
It's silly.
People are silly.
It tastes good.
Atomame tastes good.
If they do it right, put a little chili powder and salt on the outside.
donnell rawlings
I like it with just sea salt.
joe rogan
I like it sea salt too.
donnell rawlings
I'm working at a stadium, Joe.
joe rogan
Are you really?
What are you doing?
donnell rawlings
RFK Stadium.
joe rogan
Where's that?
donnell rawlings
In Washington, D.C. When are you doing that?
Thanksgiving weekend.
joe rogan
Oh, shit.
donnell rawlings
It's not the stadium.
It's the parking lot, right?
joe rogan
You're doing like an outdoor show.
donnell rawlings
I'm doing an outdoor show.
joe rogan
Just like the ones that Bert's been doing.
donnell rawlings
Yeah, but not at that level.
Yeah, I talked to Bert about that.
Shout out to Bert and shout out to the cab.
joe rogan
Bert is the guy who started it all off.
People aren't giving him enough credit.
He's the OG of drive-thru shows.
donnell rawlings
Yeah.
joe rogan
Bert was the guy.
donnell rawlings
It fit right into his whole shit.
joe rogan
He never stopped touring.
Burt toured through the entire pandemic doing drive-throughs.
donnell rawlings
And I was saying to myself, is this like a throwback Thursday or whatever?
He was like this.
And then the name of, what was the name of the tour?
Hot Summer Nights.
I'm like, this motherfucker, but...
He created a bubble and he fucking did it.
joe rogan
Created a bubble, stayed drunk the entire summer.
donnell rawlings
And enjoyed it.
joe rogan
Had a good time.
donnell rawlings
I'm doing RFK Stadium.
It's the original stadium for the Washington Redskins.
The Washington Redskins used to do that.
joe rogan
Beautiful.
donnell rawlings
But for nine years, that was my traditional show at the DC Improv.
I would do Thanksgiving weekend.
It was a good time for me because I got to see my family.
I got to work.
joe rogan
That's a great club too.
donnell rawlings
It's a great club.
joe rogan
That DC Improv is one of the 10 greatest clubs in the country.
donnell rawlings
And it's been probably the most consistent for 25 years.
joe rogan
So good.
It's just the perfect size.
Perfect.
Everything about it's perfect.
donnell rawlings
And they get every year solid.
I don't even know that a comic can do bad in terms of ticket sales there.
Everybody seems to do well, at least the lineup that they have.
joe rogan
They book good lineups.
When a club's got that much prestige, they've been around that.
There's certain clubs like Comedy Works where people just trust them.
There's a bunch.
Helium in Philly.
People just trust them.
It's going to be a good show.
They're not going to book any scrubs.
donnell rawlings
Right.
joe rogan
And that's how the DC Improv has felt.
They have developed a community.
donnell rawlings
And I, for nine years, I saw my son, from the first time I took him up, it was just him in my arms.
And then the next time, he was kind of like crawling.
The next time he was walking, then he walked to his stage.
I had like four years of pictures of his growth there.
And then because of the pandemic, I thought the weekend was gone.
I'm like, damn, that blows a tradition.
And then they made a pivot from the DC Improv.
To partnering up with DC Pull Up or whatever it is.
And they're doing the fucking outside shit.
joe rogan
That's beautiful.
I like that people are adapting.
That's one of the things you were saying.
Like, you started this business and Bert started doing things outside and Tom Segura's doing, like, these pay-per-view shows.
Tom Segura and Bert Kreischer are doing these...
And sometimes Christina, they switch up back and forth.
They're doing these...
Crazy live shows.
donnell rawlings
I saw.
joe rogan
The shit that he sent me.
I mean, I'll show it to you after the show.
The things that they can...
See, during these live shows, it's 100% uncensored because it's pay-per-view.
So they don't have to worry about YouTube.
They don't have to worry about...
donnell rawlings
It's whatever.
joe rogan
They are showing the most fucked up videos I have ever seen in my life.
In my life.
donnell rawlings
Really?
joe rogan
In my life.
He sent me three things yesterday that changed my idea of what's possible.
donnell rawlings
Oh my god.
You gonna do it?
joe rogan
Do one of his shows?
Yeah.
I would certainly do it if we were in town together.
Tom's talking about moving here.
donnell rawlings
Everybody niggas moving out here.
You got the whole squad coming back here.
joe rogan
We're gonna open up a club here.
donnell rawlings
I'm down, son.
joe rogan
Come on down.
It's better here.
You don't have to pay taxes for the state.
People are nicer.
donnell rawlings
The barbecue's off the hook.
On the streets, they said Joe ain't stupid, son.
The streets said that nigga said I'm getting the fuck up out of here, son.
joe rogan
Well, I saw the writing on the wall.
I'm like, they're not going to open up the clubs.
If you don't have a comedy club open, I can't stay.
If the comedy store was open, there would be no reason for me to leave L.A. I know.
donnell rawlings
But then on the flip of that, Just because it's not open, there's no reason for you to be in LA. Be that.
joe rogan
You can create it.
Well, the only time I could create it, though, is in an absence of the club.
Because I wouldn't ask people, hey, leave LA. The comedy store is hopping and killing.
Come to Austin.
But when you can't open, they can't.
They're not allowing them to open.
And it could be years.
Who the fuck knows now?
donnell rawlings
I know.
joe rogan
Here we are now, eight months in.
We thought it was two weeks.
Remember when you thought it was two weeks?
donnell rawlings
But then again, even moving forward, Joe, you've got to remove yourself from the possibility of somebody taking something away from you.
Like that.
The way you're thinking and the way Dave has thought throughout this summer is like, yo, we really can make this shit.
joe rogan
Also, what we were saying before, that we were all connected to Hollywood because we thought we needed Hollywood in order to get us on television or to pay our bills.
We needed to get hired.
And then once podcasting came along, I think people realized, no, you don't.
You just need your friends.
And you have a bunch of funny friends, and everybody's tight, and everybody tells people, hey, go see Theo Vaughn's at this place.
Go see this guy.
Go see that guy.
And we all get along together.
We don't need anybody else.
donnell rawlings
That's the toughest part.
What I've noticed in this podcast world, which is predominantly white, that's the truth of it, you know what I'm saying?
It's like, there's a lot more white podcasts.
When it comes to that, when you say like the friendship part and making money, they really...
About that life.
They really do it.
They really do it.
They don't talk about it.
Every one of the guys that I've done, you know, from Delia, from Bobby, from the whole crew, it's never no, oh man, it's like, let's do it.
joe rogan
Everybody helps everybody.
Everybody's friendly.
And there's only a few people in the podcast world that don't have friends.
They're weirdos.
donnell rawlings
Who are they?
joe rogan
I don't know.
They're out in the fringes.
donnell rawlings
They gotta have names.
joe rogan
They're out in the fringes.
donnell rawlings
All right.
joe rogan
Those poor people.
A lot of people go into things with a legacy attitude.
And the legacy attitude that you know from radio is you're competing against the other people that are doing the same thing.
But the podcast world is not like that.
But some people are like that.
Some people will complain if a guest is on this podcast and then on their podcast.
They'll complain.
You were just on that podcast.
Now it's going to take away from people listening to me.
donnell rawlings
Nigga, I got more shit to talk about!
You ain't got no life!
Yo, I never understood that.
I'm like, nigga, every podcast I go on, it's talking about...
Something else.
joe rogan
Not only that, but if you go on a podcast and they like you, if you go on a podcast and they like you, and then I hear now you're going to go on Bobby's podcast, I'm going to watch you on that podcast too.
Because it's not like I do one podcast and now I'm out of time.
I have more time.
You're going to have another week is going to go by where you want something to listen to.
And then more people are going to listen to you on Bobby's if they heard you on somebody else's.
donnell rawlings
And here's the thing, Joe.
If you're interested enough for motherfuckers wanting to listen to you, that's it.
If you could do it.
The toughest part, this week literally is, I think, the anniversary of the first time I've ever was on this show.
unidentified
Really?
donnell rawlings
I think it's this week.
joe rogan
Jamie's chugging.
donnell rawlings
I heard those fingers, son.
My producers don't do that.
Them bitches be looking at me right in my face.
I'll be trying to tell you.
It is, right?
unidentified
Yeah, I guess.
joe rogan
You were on before that, right?
unidentified
February 19th.
joe rogan
No, you were on before that one.
donnell rawlings
Before that one?
No, this is the first one we talked about the RZA shit.
That was that one.
unidentified
That was a year ago this week.
donnell rawlings
Yeah, that's when...
unidentified
November 12th.
joe rogan
Yeah, but you've been on longer.
donnell rawlings
Yeah, but I'm just saying...
joe rogan
From the last one.
donnell rawlings
Yeah.
joe rogan
Oh, yes.
donnell rawlings
So, I know you guys want to break down the story.
It's not that sentimental, but I was just saying, I remember the dates.
joe rogan
Yeah.
No, I get it.
donnell rawlings
It was that...
And it's been, like, it's been, I've been doing it for a year, and it's been, um, it's been interesting.
joe rogan
It happens, right?
It gets, it picks up steam, it picks up momentum.
I see on your Instagram stories, you're putting, or your Instagram rather, you're putting clips up.
donnell rawlings
The little assets and shit.
joe rogan
Get people excited.
Yeah.
donnell rawlings
Yeah, but if, yo, you, like, everything you said, it was like, once I got under the mold, like, I'm like, ah, This has to be the greatest episode.
I'm like, wait a minute.
And I start looking at the numbers of the most successful people in the podcast world.
This is like episode 1582. That's a lot.
You know what I'm saying?
I'm struggling for like, yeah, this is the 30-episode anniversary.
joe rogan
Well, you know how Goggins tells everybody he used to be fat?
I tell everybody, go to episode one.
It's fucking terrible.
It's terrible.
We didn't even think it was a podcast.
That's how terrible it was.
donnell rawlings
We didn't know what it was, but you did it.
joe rogan
We were doing it with just answering questions off of Twitter and being stupid while we were high.
No one thought it was ever going to be something that millions of people listened to.
So when we started it out, there was no expectations.
Now people have expectations.
Now you realize how much money is in it.
You see all these people that get big deals.
You see all these people that are number one on iTunes and number two on fucking Spotify.
And you go, fuck.
There's a lot going on.
This is a whole network that you don't need a lot to get into.
donnell rawlings
Man, the number one thing you have to do, and I kept tricking myself when we had talked about it, was talking.
Can you talk?
joe rogan
That's ridiculous that you don't think that you can talk.
It's one of the most funny things I've ever heard.
donnell rawlings
Son, I mean, with no response, just like me talking to myself.
unidentified
That's easy.
donnell rawlings
You know what I'm saying?
It's like, you know, I got a better chance of making a thousand people laugh than one person.
joe rogan
True.
donnell rawlings
You know?
unidentified
Yeah.
donnell rawlings
But it's been a great ride, man.
unidentified
Yeah.
donnell rawlings
But dude, Deary over there, Julius.
joe rogan
You know who's the best at just talking?
Bill Burr.
That motherfucker.
unidentified
I know.
joe rogan
Just, he never has a dead moment.
He will start on the subject and like, you know, and then you know what they want to fucking do?
And then he thinks he does an hour later.
donnell rawlings
He was one of the guys that had it.
I was like...
What would your style be more like?
I just like, I don't want to fucking talk to nobody.
I just want to say what I want to fucking say and fuck you.
And then it was like the Monday rant or something.
joe rogan
Yeah, Monday morning podcast.
donnell rawlings
Monday morning podcast.
And it was just like, I was like, this motherfucker can talk shit for whatever.
It's like, whatever.
It's like a dude that goes, he like wins all the bar fight conversations.
And it's the perfect platform for that.
joe rogan
Oh, for Bill.
It's the perfect platform.
One of the things he used to do is he used to use his cell phone.
And this is when, God, the early days of the Monday Morning Podcast.
I don't know when it started.
donnell rawlings
I bet you it had to be around 2006, 7, 8, somewhere around there.
joe rogan
It could be.
I don't remember.
But what I do remember is that he did a bunch of them where he left voicemails.
So he would call himself or call a service and leave a voicemail.
donnell rawlings
Really?
joe rogan
So he'd be sitting there at the airport talking shit about some dude's haircut.
donnell rawlings
Oh yeah, I remember those.
unidentified
Yeah.
donnell rawlings
And then he had some...
It was just him really ranting, just fucking with people.
joe rogan
The audio quality was fucking terrible.
Because he was literally talking into an old phone at the airport and then leaving a message somewhere.
And that message became the podcast.
donnell rawlings
And you know what?
joe rogan
But it was hilarious.
donnell rawlings
It didn't even matter the quality of the sound.
The idea was funny.
Just like when I told you that time when Jamie was supposed to help me produce and then he fucking reneged on me.
Right?
He got real mad at me, whatever.
I remember it like it was yesterday.
joe rogan
I understand.
I don't know how those two are connected.
But Bill Burr, when he first started out, that was literally the perfect platform for him.
In podcasting.
Like, he's good at interviewing people.
I've been on his show before.
Other people have been on his show before.
He'll sit and talk to people.
He's fine at it.
But as far as, like, ranting, he's the best.
donnell rawlings
Yeah, that comes from an angry place.
joe rogan
Yeah, but he's also been doing it the longest.
You gotta think how many fucking years he's been doing that podcast where he just...
That muscle is flexed.
That muscle is tight.
donnell rawlings
He doesn't need, like...
You can form an opinion, but he doesn't need the response.
Most people need the response and the feedback.
How else do you know if you're doing good or not?
joe rogan
Yeah, he doesn't think about that.
He's like, and another thing!
donnell rawlings
I was watching Seth Meyers the other night, and he was doing this monologue or whatever, and it was going okay.
And then he...
Some people in the background were laughing, and you could just see the posture and everything change.
Once he got a couple of people laughing, it was like, that's important.
joe rogan
I heard his Netflix specials good.
donnell rawlings
Really?
joe rogan
Yeah.
I saw a clip on it, and it did not look bad.
It did not look bad.
donnell rawlings
Is this recent?
Because I know he had one.
joe rogan
I want to say his Netflix special was at least a year ago, because it was pre-pandemic for sure.
donnell rawlings
I didn't see the entire thing.
joe rogan
And I saw some clips, and I was like, this is good delivery.
It's good writing.
And I don't know that Seth Meyers really had a long background in stand-up, did he?
donnell rawlings
No.
joe rogan
He had a background doing that show, doing the monologue for the show.
I think the stand-up was very good.
I thought it was solid.
Did you ever see it, Jamie?
It's solid!
You alright?
Jesus.
It's not a good time to be coughing.
It was very good.
What I saw, the clips.
I didn't watch the whole thing.
donnell rawlings
But most of the guys, when they...
joe rogan
Do SNL? But you know there's some people that have done talk shows and then tried to do a stand-up special and they don't really have the chops for it.
But that didn't seem like that with him.
donnell rawlings
Yeah.
joe rogan
He seemed very relaxed.
donnell rawlings
He probably was in the beast for a while.
joe rogan
Well, he probably did the right thing, too.
He probably hired a bunch of writers.
I mean, I didn't see all of it.
Maybe the part that I saw was the only funny thing.
I really have no idea.
donnell rawlings
A lot of those guys, I guess to be buried into that show like that, don't really have time to go out and work out.
joe rogan
No, it's hard.
But if you could do it, like Jimmy Kimmel could do stand-up, for sure.
100%.
If Jimmy Kimmel wanted to do stand-up, 100% he could do it.
donnell rawlings
What do you think about Jim Carrey on SNL as Biden?
joe rogan
I didn't watch it.
donnell rawlings
None of it?
joe rogan
Nope.
donnell rawlings
Not one piece of it?
joe rogan
Not a piece.
unidentified
God!
donnell rawlings
Damn, son!
joe rogan
I got shit to do.
If I'm gonna watch something, I generally, when I get home, I like to watch like...
Things that have nothing to do with what's going on right now.
By the end of the day, I don't...
donnell rawlings
Oh, you like documentaries and shit like that.
joe rogan
New Netflix special lets you skip the Trump jokes.
Oh, there's a button you can skip Trump jokes?
unidentified
Yeah, you can skip the intro on Netflix.
You can skip the chunk of stuff.
joe rogan
But this is him talking to people, so he's interviewing people.
unidentified
This is just an interview about it.
joe rogan
Oh, interview about it.
Okay.
Oh, that's funny.
Yeah, well, that's a good move because people are tired of Trump jokes, you know?
That's one of those subjects where people are like, enough already.
donnell rawlings
Man, I've been tired of him, and now I'm like...
joe rogan
They're coming back around?
donnell rawlings
To be frustrated.
To be frustrated when a dude is on his way out, you know, it doesn't make no sense.
It's like he is still getting to you.
You know, it's just a matter of time.
If you want to say the people, the voice of the peoples was heard, it was a close situation, but it is what it is and he's gone.
Why are you still mad?
joe rogan
People have some legitimate gripes and I understand where they're coming from, but my perspective is it's not changing anything and it's not doing you any good.
To still be holding on.
If you are anti-Trump, Biden's...
I mean, I don't think...
It's 99% official, right?
I mean, they just haven't said it yet.
And when they say it, then he will become president.
And then Kamala Harris will be the new vice president.
So...
Concentrate on good things now.
It's over.
donnell rawlings
Right.
joe rogan
But people are so obsessed.
donnell rawlings
I heard the fuckers the other day.
I might have said this earlier.
Look at Mike Pence and I'm having a meeting with no mask.
Man, okay.
Why you still keep getting mad because this motherfucker don't have a mask on.
It's got to be something else to talk about, son.
joe rogan
But they want to talk about negative things.
That's the thing.
Some people get addicted to talking about negative things, and they can't regroup even after a victory and now focus on positive things.
They want to continue to focus on negative things.
And I can see their perspective, too, especially with all these crazy tweets like, I won that election.
You know, it's all fraud.
It's all this.
It's all that.
Man, if you've got some real claims, and I don't know what the claims are, I haven't really honestly investigated them, but if you've got some real claims, you gotta present the evidence, and then, once you present the evidence, you say all the stuff like, I got robbed, I really want it.
If you want to be in a position where you're respected, If you're the president of the United States, this isn't a regular guy.
It's not like if you were involved in some ridiculous, like, small neighborhood election and you were joking around on Twitter, I won that fucking election!
That's to be expected.
But when someone's in a position where they're in charge of the nuclear football...
They literally are the commander-in-chief of the greatest army the world's ever known.
donnell rawlings
And they're firing motherfuckers?
joe rogan
And you're saying shit like that and firing people that don't agree with it?
donnell rawlings
Yeah, firing motherfuckers that like...
I know these other places like, boy, this would be a great time for a fucking terrorist attack right now.
joe rogan
Well, one of the guys he fired, what the guy said was he didn't believe there was widespread voter fraud.
He's like, you're fired.
If you don't believe that, you're fired.
This is like a madman.
donnell rawlings
The interesting part for me is like, You trying to switch the thoughts of a person that is a huge Trump fan is a waste of time.
The only thing you're going to be is frustrated.
joe rogan
See, here's the thing though.
I don't know, and this is where it's really important.
I don't know exactly how the election went down in terms of like, was there like 0.01% fraud?
Was there 0.5% fraud?
How much fraud was there?
We gotta assume that when there's people counting stuff, there's some fuckery going on.
donnell rawlings
Yeah, but the fuckery that's been reported, it's been like still no more than like 40 people, bro.
joe rogan
And then the only other problem is that it's all done through these machines, right?
And then there's been all these conspiracy theories about machines that were supposed to have been giving the votes to Trump, gave those votes to Biden.
Now, I could repeat those things, but I don't know if they're true.
donnell rawlings
But what I do know is...
joe rogan
You know what I'm saying?
donnell rawlings
I do know, but I know Georgia...
I know them motherfuckers pulled all them envelopes up to the building and they cut them open and they took them hand by hand.
joe rogan
They did them hand by hand.
donnell rawlings
Yo, those...
Those ones that were recounts or whatever, those...
You can't...
It's no machine.
It's hand by hand.
joe rogan
Right.
donnell rawlings
It's fucking probably...
joe rogan
And how does that work?
Does someone watch while they do it?
Like, do they have a supervisor?
Because I would imagine you would want to have, like, almost, like, two people watch while one person does it, which is so ridiculous.
But it seems like you kind of...
donnell rawlings
If you don't trust people...
I know.
If you don't trust people...
joe rogan
You kind of have to have someone watching it.
That's part of the argument that Trump's administration was saying too, was that there were certain counts that they weren't allowed to observe.
They had to be really far away and they couldn't actually see.
donnell rawlings
That sounds like people that like soybeans, son.
That's a very soy boy attitude.
joe rogan
But what if they're telling the truth?
Here's the thing.
I don't know, and you don't know either.
So if they were telling the truth and people were counting votes incorrectly or...
donnell rawlings
They finally know evidence of that.
joe rogan
I don't think they have either.
donnell rawlings
Every time that they came out with all these losses and they're dropping them, dropping them because there's no evidence of it.
He's probably made, he's had to have made every argument he can make.
joe rogan
No, listen, I agree with you.
I agree with you.
There's no evidence that they can present that's going to show people right now that there was so much voter fraud that they got to return everything and start all over or they got to give it to Trump.
I agree with you.
I think this is what all these experts are saying.
They're all saying that even if there was voter fraud it wasn't enough to tilt the election one way or another.
But I don't know how these machines work.
So if I'm even commenting on it, if I'm saying they couldn't have done it, that's ridiculous.
I'm saying they must have done it.
That's just as ridiculous.
I really don't know.
That's like...
When you're talking about voting, you're talking about how many...
Millions of people are voting and all this information is coming in and they gotta sort it out.
You're gonna have some mistakes.
There's no way around it.
But the question is, does it overall balance out?
Or are the mistakes all for one side?
If you find out the mistakes are all for Biden, then you're gonna go, huh.
Really?
Well, who owns the company that makes the machines?
And then how are they financed?
And who programmed that?
And how are they programmed?
Is it possible to fuck with the data?
It is possible.
Can you show me how to do it?
You can do it?
But so...
Saying anything about the vote, everybody wants to know exactly what happened.
I think there's very few people that know exactly what happened.
donnell rawlings
I know the machines and all that type of shit, but when they take the machines away and they say, okay, we're counting these hand by hand, the results of that have to be official.
joe rogan
Yeah, well, they definitely should be.
donnell rawlings
I understand the machines, but they was like, these mail-in motherfuckers, they had to fucking count every vote.
joe rogan
Yeah, it's a matter of how they're recording it, right?
You would want to make sure that everybody recorded it accurately.
I don't know how they do it.
But I would imagine that when I was talking to a guy like Mike Baker, and he was saying that even if there was fraud, there's not enough fraud to overturn it.
I would imagine he knows some things.
donnell rawlings
Yeah.
joe rogan
I don't.
I'm a moron.
So, me talking about he won, we all do that.
You know, we talk about he won, she won, and there's no way there was fraud, or it was definitely fraud, or I think Trump won by a landslide.
Like, people get, they get real connected, they get real connected to who's winning or losing this election, and I get it.
donnell rawlings
Man, I'm gonna miss Donald Trump, son.
joe rogan
He's not going anywhere, man.
donnell rawlings
TV? Man, I'm gonna miss him on TV. This motherfucker's TV persona is fucking...
joe rogan
You know what sucks?
What sucks that it's even...
donnell rawlings
His TV persona is like...
He's a TV motherfucker.
joe rogan
It sucks that it's even possible that someone could monkey with an election to the point where you change the outcome.
It sucks that that's even a thought that we could get into our head.
That's one of the crazy things about people.
We're so nuts that if we believe in a side, people that are good people will do some shady shit to have their candidate win.
donnell rawlings
Yeah.
joe rogan
For sure.
donnell rawlings
That's politics.
joe rogan
We're so crazy.
donnell rawlings
That's politics.
Anything goes.
Anything goes.
joe rogan
So what bothers me, and I do think that Biden won the election, and I do think...
I mean, I think there's probably some shenanigans, but I think the result is most likely correct.
But it bothers me that there's even a question.
It bothers me that anyone would ever think that anyone could...
But I think that there's Republicans that think Democrats could do it, and I think there's Democrats that think Republicans can do it.
And I think it's...
It's going to be real hard to 100% trust the election.
That's one of the things that's kind of dangerous about someone going after it.
This election is rigged.
This election is rigged.
When Trump is doing that, he's encouraging people.
Maybe that's a good thing if they are rigged.
Because maybe they're going to be able to figure out how to stop that from happening in the future.
Or maybe it's going to erode people's confidence in the elections.
And the more he does it, the more it erodes.
And the more it gets dangerous.
There's a real argument for that, too.
But, listen, again, I don't know what the fuck I'm talking about.
donnell rawlings
Man, it's just...
joe rogan
I know, it's nuts.
It's nuts that anybody would ever think there'd be any voter fraud on either side.
But we know that people have done it.
Like, that's apparently how they got JFK in.
Wasn't there like some crazy conspiracy about the mob rigged votes for JFK and that's how he became...
Wasn't that a thing, Jamie?
unidentified
Yeah.
joe rogan
Has that ever been proven?
jamie vernon
I've heard talks about recently that they were in such odds with each other that they would never have helped him.
joe rogan
I think he was really at odds with them afterwards because he didn't...
The thought was that was one of the reasons why he was assassinated.
That he kind of doubled back on his agreement with the mob.
The explanation I heard, they were just helping local politicians.
donnell rawlings
Oh, he didn't trade his streets!
joe rogan
Well, his family were drug runners.
The Kennedys were moonshiners.
They made their money selling bootleg liquor during the time where it was illegal.
They were basically drug dealers.
And then they became this gigantic political dynasty.
donnell rawlings
They were the Trump family.
No, not the Trump family, but they were motherfuckers.
joe rogan
They were more gangster than the Trump family, really, because their literal background was in drug running.
Like, bootleg liquor, like moonshot, is drugs.
That's drug running.
You just don't think of it now because alcohol is legal.
donnell rawlings
They were drug runners!
And who had the shit?
joe rogan
Connected to the mob!
And they were connected to the mob.
Like, you don't think they fucked with some numbers?
You don't think there was some corruption?
donnell rawlings
Who has the fucking money?
joe rogan
I think there's an assumption, too, that both sides are going to try to do it.
I mean, that was Watergate, right?
donnell rawlings
The results of this election, man, it's going to be interesting to see, can Biden work with two parties, both parties?
joe rogan
I hope so.
I hope they prove, like, the polarization of people that are opposed to Trump being in office, and now they're not Republicans and Democrats.
I hope they work together.
donnell rawlings
Yeah, man.
joe rogan
That's what I hope.
That's what I hope.
I hope they work together.
donnell rawlings
Do it fast.
Biden has got, like, a lot of time.
joe rogan
You got to get used to President Kamala.
That's what you got to get used to.
donnell rawlings
I said it, man.
joe rogan
She's going to be the first president.
donnell rawlings
I said it.
That's the position.
joe rogan
I don't see how he can do eight years.
So what if the economy is going strong in four?
donnell rawlings
I think four he's going to keep it moving, man.
joe rogan
Who knows, man?
donnell rawlings
It's a setup.
I said it on stage.
I said, get ready for your first female black president because this is the setup for her.
joe rogan
She certainly could win.
She certainly could take over too if he dies or if he can't medically continue anymore.
But here's another thing you gotta think of.
They're doing shit to people They're doing some wild shit in terms of medicine and regenerative medicine and stem cells.
They just hook him up to stem cells every day and shoot him up with NAD and vitamin fees and steroids and growth hormone.
You never know.
They might keep that motherfucker around for a long time.
How Joseph Kennedy made his fortune, hint, it was bootlegging!
unidentified
No, this just wasn't bootlegging.
joe rogan
Oh, it wasn't.
Oh, I can't see the end because of the white shirt.
jamie vernon
According to this biographer, that is a rumor that started in the 60s and 70s when they're trying to figure out who killed JFK and maybe it was the mafia because they were in that business.
joe rogan
That sounds like the Kennedy family is trying to cover up their dirty tracks.
It's a rumor.
Get the fuck out of here.
Is there a rumor about you bootlegging ever?
jamie vernon
I was looking, because I've heard that too, but it right away says he was in the stock market.
joe rogan
Well, maybe.
Maybe bootlegging too.
Let's try another source.
Let's see...
Joseph Kennedy was a bootlegger.
Type that in.
Well, that story is going to come out here.
jamie vernon
The Daily Beast, the myth of Joe Kennedy's bootlegger.
joe rogan
Oh, so it is a myth.
jamie vernon
I don't know where I would find the correct story to, you know.
joe rogan
I know, right?
Like, how do you know who's telling the truth and whether or not it's a big old historical cover-up?
Like, if you were bootlegging, how much information would there be about you being a bootlegger?
Unless you got arrested for it.
donnell rawlings
For me?
joe rogan
I think cops were probably in on bootlegging back then, don't you think?
donnell rawlings
Everybody that could make money was involved with it.
joe rogan
Sure.
donnell rawlings
Everybody, what is my piece?
joe rogan
Why wouldn't you?
They probably were angry that the bars were closed, too.
donnell rawlings
And then they wanted a couple bottles.
Give me a couple bottles, a couple hundred dollars, so you can do whatever you want to do.
joe rogan
Can you imagine if that's how we live right now, if booze was illegal?
Imagine as much as people drink, if you had to do it all secret, you had to like have a big dude by the door, you had to have a password to get in, you're always worried about getting raided by the cops, just so you could have a drink.
donnell rawlings
But people would do it.
joe rogan
They did it.
They did it for years.
They made organized crime.
That's where like Al Capone made all of his money.
Yeah, that's the argument that's going on right now with the Mexican cartels.
The reason why they're able to make so much money is because all that stuff's illegal, and they're consuming it in the United States.
So you're playing a stupid game.
You're pretending people aren't taking it when they are.
You're making it illegal because you said they shouldn't do it.
donnell rawlings
But you want to control it at the end of the day.
joe rogan
You're just empowering organized crime.
And that's what they did with organized crime in Chicago.
That's what they did with organized crime in a lot of areas of this country.
donnell rawlings
And that's why they probably want to position people that they had influence over to be politicians.
unidentified
For sure.
joe rogan
They had so much money.
And back then there was no internet.
Nobody knew what was in your bank account or where it came.
Bro, shut that ding off.
unidentified
Jesus Christ.
donnell rawlings
No, I was checking.
I didn't know.
Hold on a second.
Sorry, man.
joe rogan
Dude, put that shit on airplane mode.
What are you doing?
unidentified
Okay.
joe rogan
Do you know how to shut off the ding, though?
donnell rawlings
Come on, man.
Stop disrespecting me, man.
joe rogan
But you've done it a few times.
I don't understand why it keeps dinging.
donnell rawlings
It won't ding again, man.
joe rogan
All right.
donnell rawlings
I'm sorry, man.
joe rogan
Oh, Donnell.
Donnell.
See, you can't say shit now.
You don't even know how to non-ding your phone.
Just shut the fucking ringer off, man.
You gotta flip it up.
No, you gotta flip it up towards you.
You're keeping it down.
donnell rawlings
It's off, man.
It's gonna ding again.
joe rogan
It's gonna ding from beyond the grave.
She's adorable, man.
What were we just talking about?
donnell rawlings
I don't know.
joe rogan
Do you remember Jamie?
Oh, Kennedy's being a bootlegger.
Oh, yeah.
Maybe not.
I might be full of shit.
donnell rawlings
But we didn't know.
joe rogan
For sure.
donnell rawlings
But it was like there was just a rumor.
I don't know how it started.
joe rogan
Right.
For sure, there's a lot of organized crime money in fucking bootlegging.
That's a fact.
donnell rawlings
I'm on antibiotics because I got shot.
joe rogan
Yeah, you can't drink for how long?
donnell rawlings
Like, three more days, son.
joe rogan
Refreshing, though.
Give your body a little bit of a break.
donnell rawlings
It is, but I'm...
It is.
joe rogan
You missed it.
You're looking forward to it.
donnell rawlings
No, not missing it.
You know what I'm saying?
Like, after a show, a little shot.
joe rogan
Right.
donnell rawlings
You know, I just got this for all the people that's been in the streets and got shot.
Gotta get better.
joe rogan
Are you nervous for the country right now?
Are you nervous about the future?
donnell rawlings
No.
joe rogan
Not at all?
No.
donnell rawlings
I believe that we're always going to find solutions to stuff.
Like the first thing, like you mentioned about people that need to work or whatever, the first thing that's going to happen is there's going to be some type of stimulus package approved.
Motherfuckers are going to feel somewhat security or a little better if they have some money to be able to do something.
But this is just something that we're going to get past.
It's just a It's a matter of time.
And with the vaccine being on board, with them having more ways to test somebody in a faster manner, They don't cost as much.
I think it's going to change people's attitude, the way they feel about certain things, and things will start turning around.
joe rogan
I hope you're right.
My concern really is about how hard it's going to be to turn around the economy with that many people out of work.
That's what my worry is.
So many people are going to be broke and so many people are going to lose their houses and so many people are going to get evicted.
I just don't know how they stop that and turn that around when all these jobs are gone because all these businesses went under.
That's what scares me.
It's like this wasn't anticipated.
I think there would have been another way to do it.
They certainly didn't lock down as much out here.
Not nearly as much.
donnell rawlings
And then that's a good point because, I mean, like, whatever you worked for, whatever just could be pulled from under you just like that.
joe rogan
That's the thing about, like, you can't say that the people that are upset today are soy boys.
They can't say that they're all pussies because there's a lot of people that are upset through no fault of their own.
They lost everything, right?
You could be the most disciplined guy in the world.
You get up early every day, you work hard all day, you build a business, and then all of a sudden...
COVID comes around and you find out your margins are a lot smaller than you thought.
Nobody expected it to go eight, nine months, right?
So you're not making any money for eight, nine months and you can't reopen?
There's a lot of businesses like that.
donnell rawlings
There's a lot of bars.
joe rogan
There's not enough bailouts.
There's so many businesses.
There's not enough.
And they're not going to give you all you lost.
You're going to lose a tremendous amount no matter what.
donnell rawlings
Boy, there was a lot of people getting that money that was bullshit.
Boy, it was so much goddamn fucking scandal with them.
PBA loans and shit, man.
Everybody was grabbing them bitches.
They'll find money, then you gotta pay it back.
joe rogan
I hope we figure out a way to make this economy bounce back.
But I say we.
When I say we, I mean people way smarter than me.
I hope somebody figures it out.
donnell rawlings
I hope my son had the best life he can have.
joe rogan
Yeah, well, I hope so, too.
donnell rawlings
You know what I'm saying?
Like, I think that people are going to be concerned about people that are close to them and their family and how that situation is going.
joe rogan
Yeah.
I mean, everybody hopes that the next person that gets in office is going to nail it.
Everybody hopes the next person that gets in office is going to fix all our problems.
We've got to change the way we communicate with each other.
That's a big one.
Everybody's locked in this trap of us versus them, of red versus blue, of whatever the trap is, whatever your particular trap is.
There's men versus women traps.
People get crazy with being tribal and being on a fucking team.
We're supposed to be one team.
Supposed to be United States of America.
If we differ on small things like immigration or things like financial issues or how to use taxes and The most important thing is that we all want what's best for the country.
We all want the country to do well.
donnell rawlings
You want to thank people.
That's how you want people to feel.
joe rogan
That's what drove me the most crazy about Trump being president.
I felt like it was the first time I could ever remember where people wanted things to be bad so that he would be a bad president.
I mean, I guess they probably did with Obama, too.
They wanted things to go bad so they could blame it on him.
They would rather have something to blame on him than to have everything go well.
If you asked a hardcore Trump hater, would you rather, this would be a good question, would you rather the economy become the greatest economy the world has ever known?
And you'd be totally wrong.
And Trump, even though he's a pussy grabber and he's full of shit and he brags about himself, Became literally the best person to make the decisions that were the best for the country.
Or, would you rather the economy fall to the toilet and Trump goes to jail?
Like, Trump goes to jail!
donnell rawlings
Yeah, there's no bargain.
Yeah, I know.
joe rogan
Immediately, there would be no hesitation.
unidentified
Put him in jail!
joe rogan
Fuck him!
Everything's fine!
Everything's fine!
donnell rawlings
It sounds like a relationship.
Whatever makes you happy, you're like, fuck that, I don't want it to be happy.
joe rogan
Well, they definitely didn't want him to do well, which is weird.
They wanted him to get arrested and then the economy to bounce back.
donnell rawlings
That's what they wanted.
But another thing they wanted too, Joe, they wanted to feel like you cared about them.
They wanted to feel like you cared about something or somebody else other than your fan base.
That was a big part of it, man.
People didn't...
I don't think people were just looking for reasons to hate on him.
And I know some people that liked him...
Some people love to know nonsense, fuck it.
joe rogan
People love a guy who came along and said fuck you to politically correct shit too.
There's a lot that people liked about him.
People like the idea that he got fucked over in this election too.
They like the idea that the deep state was involved and that people were rigging voting machines and miscounting votes and people love those stories.
I do not know if those stories are true.
donnell rawlings
I don't give a fuck about those stories.
joe rogan
They're a bummer, though.
It's a bummer that there's those stories.
This would be the ideal scenario.
Whoever won, won.
If it's Biden and Kamala, they win, and then that's it.
They transfer power, shake of hands.
People do what they've always done, what Obama did with Trump.
donnell rawlings
They don't want to do that, son!
joe rogan
They don't want to do that.
donnell rawlings
That's so corny.
You don't want to shake a motherfucking hand.
You don't want to give up the secrets.
You don't want to give up the keys.
joe rogan
He's got to do it.
donnell rawlings
You don't want to give up the cars.
joe rogan
But he's got to do it, especially if he wants to run again.
See, if Trump wants to do it again, he can run one more time in 2024. But the only way he's going to be able to do that, he's got to be able to sit down and shake Biden's hand and say, I'll see you in four years, bitch.
He's got to be...
You can't just keep saying that the voting is 100% rigged and I won this election by a lot and all that's fucking dangerous because it's just dangerous for our confidence.
It's dangerous.
donnell rawlings
You got people talking about rise up.
It's gonna be something.
Something's gonna happen.
joe rogan
Dude, don't say that.
Here's the thing.
You gotta show the evidence first.
You've got to show the evidence first.
There has to be like...
You have to compile all that evidence.
If there really is that evidence, you've got to compile it all and present it in a very solid way.
donnell rawlings
You're trying to discuss shutdown.
joe rogan
Yeah.
It's not...
I mean, it's above our pay grade to even understand national politics on that scale.
But I think that as a country, I think you and I both know that this country is...
This is like...
It's never been in a position where you don't know what the hell is going to happen.
You never know.
There's so much turmoil and weirdness.
And you never know, is there going to be another wave of this pandemic?
Are they going to shut everything down again?
What happens then?
donnell rawlings
Whatever happens then, we go with what has become our new norm.
We go back to that.
You know what I'm saying?
Things are about to shift.
By the spring or the summer, things are going to be in a totally different place in regard to how people feel about Being in public, again, they're going to have this, they're going to come up with some super rapid testing situation.
joe rogan
I hope so.
donnell rawlings
That's going to make the fucking essential workers, people in the medical field feel more comfortable.
They're going to make other people feel comfortable.
And eventually, like, people are going to make decisions.
Am I going to fuck with this guy or what am I going to do to live?
joe rogan
I hope the vaccine and, you know, that the election gets resolved quickly.
Jamie, if you had to guess...
No, I know, but I mean, let them...
Let Trump say it's resolved.
If you had to guess, what percentage of election fraud do you think there was?
Take a guess.
It's not zero, right?
jamie vernon
Probably not zero, but it's like one, two percent, like the normal polled plus or minus.
joe rogan
I think it's really one percent.
jamie vernon
That's a lot, but I mean, there's 150 million votes.
joe rogan
I don't think it's one.
I guess that's a lot.
I don't think it's one, but I think there's a some less than zero number.
Or some more than zero number, rather, that is voter fraud.
I think that any reasonable person...
donnell rawlings
It's a point, one of points.
joe rogan
Yeah, it's not...
And who knows which way it goes?
Because I bet there's voter fraud the other way, too.
We're not hearing about that because Biden won.
But if Biden was like Trump and he lost that race, who knows?
They might try to figure out a way that the Republicans cheated.
I don't know, man.
donnell rawlings
Yo, I'm going to tell you, this shit has turned into comedy, son.
joe rogan
What's turned into comedy?
donnell rawlings
This whole just not quitting.
joe rogan
It's kind of crazy.
Every day he's tweeting about it.
donnell rawlings
No, it's not even crazy.
It's entertaining.
It's entertaining.
I know it's unfortunate for me, entertainment, but it's entertaining.
joe rogan
I get that it's entertaining, but it makes me nervous.
It makes me nervous when you start thinking that there's people out there that think that there's been a coup, right?
Or that Trump is attempting a coup.
There's like two different schools of thought.
One school of thought is the deep state took over the election and they rigged it.
And the other school of thought is this guy is trying to win even though he lost.
And he's trying to figure out a way to sue his way back into the White House.
And this is crazy.
donnell rawlings
Please go ahead.
joe rogan
Yeah, so that's the problem.
There's not a smooth transition.
donnell rawlings
He's going to win on one end because he's got the power of the people.
Like, again, him losing, the support that he has, he knows that there's a community.
They're going to be fucking still on his dick right now because he can shake some shit up.
Yeah.
Fuck them.
Fuck all of them.
Am I ever going to get some elk?
Do you have any elk today?
joe rogan
I have it at my house, yeah.
donnell rawlings
You can't cook it though, right?
joe rogan
I can cook it.
We'll have to figure out how much time we have between now and the show.
donnell rawlings
Yo, you can bring some oak to the show, son?
joe rogan
Not enough for everybody.
donnell rawlings
No, just a sample?
joe rogan
Yeah.
Why don't you just come over to my house?
I'll cook for you.
donnell rawlings
What time do we have?
joe rogan
I don't know.
We'll figure it out when we get out of here.
Let's figure it out off the air, though.
donnell rawlings
But my two lesbian friends are supposed to meet me, son.
They're not like no menage a trois lesbian.
They're just like regular lesbians.
They're my friends.
joe rogan
Okay, that's cool.
donnell rawlings
Yeah.
joe rogan
Who do they think won?
donnell rawlings
Biden.
What?
Hell, man, what?
I said my two lesbian friends.
Imagine lesbians for Trump.
With their adopted Mexican son Eli, who I fucking love.
joe rogan
You don't think there's lesbians for Trump?
I bet there's a whole website.
donnell rawlings
You know what?
I never thought about that.
I don't think there's too many lesbians for Trump.
joe rogan
I bet there's a few.
I bet they get together and like, yeah.
I don't know.
donnell rawlings
I don't think that.
That's what I said.
I never thought about.
Lesbians for Trump.
joe rogan
Some people are really into anime.
unidentified
There's a t-shirt for you.
joe rogan
There it goes.
Lesbians for Trump.
unidentified
Oh no!
joe rogan
It's funny, but you would assume that if someone's a lesbian, that's what I was kind of getting at, that you would instantly know who they're voting for, right?
donnell rawlings
I mean, I know that's kind of profiling, but I was definitely like short haircut, you know, short haircut, fucking man cut out suit with the tie.
joe rogan
Right, like how many girls with blue hair or pink hair voted for Trump?
Is it less than zero?
donnell rawlings
That's a good stat.
joe rogan
Yeah.
Trump pride gay Republicans on why they're backing the president.
donnell rawlings
Because I get to dress up again.
joe rogan
Having a good time.
It's a cool outfit.
It's such a weird time, man.
Such a weird time.
donnell rawlings
I'm ready to just get on the river, bro.
joe rogan
I get it.
donnell rawlings
I'm ready to just get into some nature.
joe rogan
Do you think you're going to move there?
Would you move there?
donnell rawlings
I think so.
joe rogan
It's a good place to be.
donnell rawlings
I think the community, I mean, it's just like, there's such a community, man, this summer.
And it was just so simple.
joe rogan
Would you get rid of your place in LA and just settle down there?
Yeah, I could do that.
donnell rawlings
I could do it.
joe rogan
Better for travel, really.
If you wanted to go left or right, you're more closer to the middle.
donnell rawlings
The nature is just better for everything, man.
joe rogan
Right.
donnell rawlings
I just want to be around some trees.
joe rogan
I think that's one good thing about people that can escape from LA. There's a lot of people that are escaping from New York as well, and they're moving to the suburbs, and they're liking it better.
They're more relaxed.
They get some space.
donnell rawlings
People are like, instead of being in the chaos, I can drive to the chaos.
joe rogan
Yeah.
donnell rawlings
You know, it's like fucking people from...
joe rogan
We're not even driving now.
A lot of people are working from home.
donnell rawlings
You don't think it's going to change?
joe rogan
I think there's going to be a lot of companies that realize, like, hey, I don't need this gigantic space to handle all these people.
I can let people work from home.
They're more productive.
Because a lot of times, people in offices, they get together, they talk, they have fun.
You know, there's a lot of work.
donnell rawlings
Oh, man, I used to fucking be in the fucking break room.
I never was doing work.
Always in a break room.
joe rogan
I've seen dudes in cubicles doing this shit, whether the cubicle's here, and they're both on the outside, they're just having a conversation.
They're nowhere near their computer.
People do that all the time.
If no one's watching, people do that all the time.
In some jobs.
Don't get personal if it's you.
donnell rawlings
Scooting back from the cubicle, that's hilarious.
joe rogan
There's a lot of dudes that are working all over the place that would be more productive if they just had a certain amount of work to do and they could just get it done at home.
donnell rawlings
But sometimes they want to patrol.
I think it's a good idea.
joe rogan
There's a lot of people that have jobs.
You have to be there, right?
Auto mechanic.
A lot of people.
Fill in the blank.
Carpenter.
A lot of people have jobs.
You've got to be there.
But there's certain jobs.
unidentified
Carpenter.
joe rogan
Yeah, why do you need to sit through an hour and 15 minutes of traffic when you can just do it through Zoom?
And you sit here in a pair of shorts and a t-shirt and get all your fucking work done.
Why do you need to go somewhere?
You don't.
With computers today, you don't have to go anywhere.
donnell rawlings
You don't have to go anywhere.
They just want to control the movements of it.
They just want to...
It makes sense.
And I think it's going to go to that.
Everybody's like, I'm working from home, I'm working from home, and they're getting the job done.
Everything is different.
joe rogan
A lot of people are going to be able to stay home.
And so I think that's just going to change the nature of cities in general.
Less people are going to have to commute to them.
But that's one probably good thing about this, is that people are gonna not have to commute as much, so maybe the roads won't be as jammed up.
That saves people so much fucking stress.
If you're a dude who works in Orange County and you live in LA and you gotta make that drive every morning, you ever see that fucking drive?
That drive's insane.
donnell rawlings
I've come from that drive.
I've been going the other way of that drive.
joe rogan
When you go Orange County to LA at 7am, you wanna just fucking end it.
You're just like, I can't do this every day.
donnell rawlings
But you can do it for a minute because that's the route that I, because I, my accountant is out in Orange County, and I did that trip a couple times, and I kind of enjoyed being up in the morning with it.
Because I don't have to do, I didn't have to do it a long time.
joe rogan
Because you don't have to do it every day.
If you had a job, and you had to be at your job at 8.30 in the morning every day, and you live in Orange County, and you got to go to LA, you got to leave your house before 7.00.
donnell rawlings
Yeah.
joe rogan
You're going to accept the fact that every morning there's a likelihood, a high likelihood, it's going to take you an hour and a half plus.
donnell rawlings
Or you can go on Zoom.
joe rogan
Or you can go on Zoom.
donnell rawlings
I'm going on Zoom.
joe rogan
Yeah, and you can wake up, instead of waking up at 6, you can wake up at 8. You wake up at 8, have a cup of coffee, sit down, turn on your fucking computer.
donnell rawlings
I get up early now, Joe.
joe rogan
You can eat a little bit of toast.
donnell rawlings
I got Maggie.
joe rogan
I understand.
Maggie is outside.
donnell rawlings
Yeah, I got to get up early.
I'm not like, the old Donnell is gone, Joe.
joe rogan
I get it.
donnell rawlings
Like, she's down there curled up.
joe rogan
I'm just happy that there's alternatives for some people where they at least can work.
If they can't be in an office, at least they can do some stuff on Zoom.
But for other people, man, that's what I'm worried about.
What I'm worried about is everything restarting.
donnell rawlings
Man, Joe, Joe, Joe, Joe, Joe, Joe.
joe rogan
Donnell, Donnell, Donnell.
donnell rawlings
I know you worry about it, and you have concerns, and everybody worry about having concerns.
But eventually it's like this, yo, what the fuck are you going to do?
You got to figure it out.
joe rogan
People are going to have to figure it out.
donnell rawlings
Yeah, man, it's like I understand.
You keep saying, yeah, man, then I feel sorry for them.
Sorry, eventually you're going to have to figure it the fuck out.
Eventually nobody is going to be able to help you.
Nobody's gonna be able to vouch for you, and you gotta do it your fucking self.
David Goggins said it, man.
It goes back to that same point, man.
They're looking for answers.
You are the answer.
You got two excuses, a good one and a bad one.
At the end of the day, it's the same fucking excuse.
I've said it before, and I know people are like, well, it's easy for you to say.
It's not easy for anybody to say.
Whatever's going to happen moving on forward, it's not easy for anybody to say.
Everybody's going to have their opinion of it.
Everybody's going to be on the opinion of, well, give him a chance.
Maybe he can bring the world back together.
It's going to be a lot of Trump motherfuckers like, yo, fuck you, asshole.
There's been no supporter that's been angrier than a Trump supporter to the extent that there's sore winners and sore losers.
You got to pick a sore.
You can't just take both sores.
joe rogan
See, the thing is, they think they got robbed.
That's why his tweets are dangerous.
donnell rawlings
And even if you do, Joe, even if you do, have you feel, this is the part that's fucked up.
Is this mine?
This is the part that's fucked up.
joe rogan
It's been sitting here for a while.
Probably not hot anymore.
donnell rawlings
What was I saying, son?
joe rogan
This is the part that's fucked up about being sore winners and sore losers.
You gotta pick a sore.
donnell rawlings
You gotta pick a sore.
And everything is not gonna always go your way.
But you don't have to be upset about it.
joe rogan
See, the thing is though, what he's saying to them is it was a robbery.
So he thinks it's a robbery.
unidentified
It's starting shit, man.
joe rogan
It's definitely starting shit.
You got it.
That's it right there.
donnell rawlings
Yo, why all your shit gotta be extra strong, man?
This is too big for a fucking teapot.
joe rogan
It's coffee.
donnell rawlings
Coffee pot.
unidentified
Damn, son.
joe rogan
It just keeps the coffee warm after you're done.
I feel like I'm on a yard.
donnell rawlings
Everything is like a workout.
joe rogan
What's that?
Does he want to come in?
donnell rawlings
Who out there?
joe rogan
Dave's out there.
donnell rawlings
Tell that nigga to come in, son!
joe rogan
Yeah, tell him to come on in.
Do we have a camera for him?
But he gets tested every day, doesn't he?
Maggie just jumped up.
Have you ever seen a baby dog, little tiny little dog?
I've never seen a tiny little dog.
unidentified
I had one.
I used to have one.
It wasn't quite that small, but it was pretty small.
joe rogan
I've seen little dogs.
I've just never seen one in the baby form.
David!
dave chappelle
What's happening, bro?
unidentified
What's up?
dave chappelle
How are you?
joe rogan
What's happening?
dave chappelle
Oh, no!
joe rogan
What's up?
donnell rawlings
You want to sit right here, son?
joe rogan
Oh, no!
unidentified
I didn't hear!
What's up?
What's she smoking on?
joe rogan
Oh, shit!
unidentified
The whole circus is in town.
joe rogan
I don't know how many microphones we have, unfortunately.
unidentified
You have a joint?
dave chappelle
Do you have a joint?
Yeah, it smells really good.
donnell rawlings
I was smoking this.
dave chappelle
It's really good.
joe rogan
Marijuana is semi-legal here.
How is this with the...
dave chappelle
I'm a semi-criminal.
Let me get some.
My guy.
Is there any coffee?
joe rogan
Yeah, this is coffee.
What's up man?
What are you doing?
dave chappelle
Oh, bro.
Living the dream.
joe rogan
Good to see you.
How's Austin been treating you?
dave chappelle
Great, we did two nights at Stubbs.
Stubbs Barbecue, the guy from the barbecue sauce.
joe rogan
So he has a stage?
dave chappelle
It's an outdoor...
donnell rawlings
You've never been there?
dave chappelle
It's an outdoor event.
Joe, you will love this place.
donnell rawlings
I thought they said you was there.
No, they said you was somewhere else.
joe rogan
I went to the Vulcan Gas Company.
That's the only place I've been in town.
donnell rawlings
Michelle is doing that.
joe rogan
Oh, it's great.
donnell rawlings
That's the gig she's got coming on.
joe rogan
Yeah, because Cap City's gone, so people are doing shows anywhere they can.
dave chappelle
Are you going to buy a club here?
joe rogan
Yes.
dave chappelle
You got to.
joe rogan
Yes.
dave chappelle
I'll be the first gig.
joe rogan
All right.
You heard it here, folks.
I felt like I have to.
As soon as Cap City went under, I was like, oh, shit.
Oh, now I have to.
But I don't know what's going to happen after Biden gets into office, whether there's going to be another lockdown, like a national lockdown for a while.
So I'll wait until after that blows over.
unidentified
Yeah.
dave chappelle
Just keep moving forward.
That's all.
You know what I mean?
Everything that I've seen you do, moving here to Austin, it's gangsta.
It's correct.
unidentified
Thanks, man.
dave chappelle
We find a way.
joe rogan
Yeah, we find a way.
We were just talking about that.
People find a way.
I was saying, what are people going to do?
You know, with restarting the economy and, you know, trying to get a job when all these businesses went under.
Like, how does everything go?
And Don, I was just saying, we do what we have to do.
We figure it out.
dave chappelle
That's true.
I'm far from an economist, but I will say that planning for your future is a good thing.
It's a necessary thing.
Even though it's uncertain, you have to remember the sun does rise every morning.
joe rogan
Yeah.
dave chappelle
So just keep moving.
joe rogan
And people that are in this shit right now never thought that it was going to happen.
Now that they know that this is a possibility, now we have to plan for the future.
dave chappelle
Yeah, I've never seen this before.
joe rogan
Never.
dave chappelle
You know, you've never seen something as large as the American economy stop and then start back up.
But it's a global phenomenon.
It's not like it's just happening to us.
We're just handling it terribly.
joe rogan
I like how you handled it, though.
I like doing those shows that you did in Yellow Springs.
It's a great idea.
dave chappelle
It was wonderful.
joe rogan
Doing it in that chapel, that whole area outside.
dave chappelle
It's amazing.
Yeah, it's a pavilion.
All outdoors.
I talked to my doctor, my family practitioner, and he told me, you should play outdoors.
If you're playing indoors, use UV air filters.
There's specs of a building that might be safer.
Many buildings now today are not outfitted this way.
And, you know, you hope for the best.
You take every necessary precaution, reasonable precaution, but it's a pandemic.
There's no guarantees.
joe rogan
Are you getting any people giving you shit about doing shows?
dave chappelle
No.
joe rogan
No?
dave chappelle
Nothing?
I mean, even if I did, you know what I mean?
Who cares?
donnell rawlings
And that's it.
dave chappelle
There's nothing you can do about it.
No matter what, you know, I read about Jesus.
Seemed to be a really good guy.
They killed him.
That's just the nature of people.
Donnell, this dog is hilarious.
donnell rawlings
Man, this dog is an angel.
This dog makes everybody feel good, man.
joe rogan
She's so cute.
I've never seen a little...
Dog as a baby.
I've only seen them as full-grown little dogs.
donnell rawlings
This is going to be her size right here.
joe rogan
That's how she's going to stay?
donnell rawlings
Yeah, she's going to stay like this with a little bit more bark and more...
dave chappelle
Now, how is it traveling with her?
Do you like it more?
The company, I mean.
donnell rawlings
It's dope.
When I got her, I was like this, oh, she's an emotional dog, right?
But now that I got her, I'm like this, yeah, I'm an emotional human.
dave chappelle
Oh.
donnell rawlings
And like, like, yo, let me tell you something, son.
Sometimes I'll be up at 5.30 and she'll be up her ears and be up looking like, what we doing, nigga?
And I'm like, at least somebody understands me, right?
joe rogan
It increases the amount of love you have, right?
unidentified
Yeah.
joe rogan
Because you have this dog.
donnell rawlings
And she follows me everywhere.
joe rogan
Yeah.
donnell rawlings
Well, I was at the show the other night.
I was on stage and they said she was shaking, barking when she heard my voice.
dave chappelle
Yeah, it's crazy.
She was.
donnell rawlings
She was like, where you at, motherfucker?
joe rogan
Oh, she loves you.
Yeah, it's a different world, man.
You got a little dog that counts on you like that.
Those are different kinds of dogs, too.
They're so little, they have to be held.
You have to carry them most of the time.
dave chappelle
Is she scared or cold?
Like, why is she shaking?
unidentified
She might be a little combination of both, son.
dave chappelle
Maybe she needs a drink.
joe rogan
Maybe she has to piss.
She's five months old.
How is she keeping it together?
donnell rawlings
Don't talk about her like that.
She's good, son.
She probably just needs a little warmth.
dave chappelle
Do you have dogs?
joe rogan
Yeah.
I have one dog.
dave chappelle
You probably have a huge wolf kind of dog.
joe rogan
No, I have a golden retriever.
I have the sweetest dog in the world.
He's the nicest dog ever.
donnell rawlings
That dog looks perfect.
joe rogan
He's so nice.
donnell rawlings
That dog looks like he has a great life.
joe rogan
He's just a love sponge.
That dog is just all about love.
All he wants to do is kiss you and let you pet him.
dave chappelle
Who spends the most time with your dog?
joe rogan
Me?
Probably.
dave chappelle
Yeah, I can see that.
joe rogan
I spend a lot of time with him.
We have a morning ritual.
dave chappelle
What's the ritual?
joe rogan
I just get up in the morning.
As soon as I see him...
Good morning, sir!
Good morning, sir!
And he starts freaking out.
donnell rawlings
And he go for a walk?
joe rogan
Wags his tail.
He does that, but he loves chasing balls more than anything.
He's a great dog.
He likes swimming.
I didn't.
dave chappelle
Thank you, sir.
joe rogan
There you go.
No, he's a sweet dog.
You got a dog?
dave chappelle
Three of them.
joe rogan
What kind?
dave chappelle
Australian Shepherd.
And one kind of like this.
What do they call it?
A Chowinie, I think they call it.
It's half Chihuahua, half one of those hot dogs.
That's the one Baba.
Remember the one in my special Baba?
That's him.
donnell rawlings
A Chowinie.
He have this and half hot dog.
dave chappelle
And then my daughter has a little dog like this.
Not a Chihuahua.
I can't remember what kind of dog she is.
joe rogan
My daughter has a chihuahua mix.
It's like a chihuahua with like, I think he's got some whippet or something in him.
So it's a chihuahua with long legs.
He's adorable.
dave chappelle
You know, I wanted my kids to train animals when they were little.
donnell rawlings
Really?
dave chappelle
That's one of these things I should have followed through on.
But the reason I did it is because I wanted to learn how to be patient with people.
And I figured if they trained a dog or something, it takes patience.
Look at that.
This dog is adorable, but she don't know nothing yet.
donnell rawlings
Yeah, she don't know shit, son.
She knows snacks.
joe rogan
The real problem is when you get dogs that need a lot of training, like if you want to have a German Shepherd or a working dog, like a Belgian Malinois, a lot of people get those dogs, you don't realize, like, you basically got, like, a little genius with teeth that lives with you that wants to figure out problems.
dave chappelle
You know those like, have you heard of those celebrity, like the German Shepherds, the guard dogs, the real ones that know 200 commands.
joe rogan
Yeah, Schutz in training.
dave chappelle
Yeah, that's what they call it.
joe rogan
Yeah, I've seen guys do that.
dave chappelle
Some comedian got one of those dogs, spent like 200 grand on it, and it died in like a week.
joe rogan
Those are crazy.
If you can have a dog like that, that's a commitment, man.
Like, those dogs need work.
donnell rawlings
That's what I'm saying.
joe rogan
Those dogs are so smart.
They're from a long history of working dogs.
Those are task-oriented dogs.
dave chappelle
This dog's from a long history of...
joe rogan
Isn't she adorable?
donnell rawlings
Come on, man.
dave chappelle
She is.
donnell rawlings
Come here.
joe rogan
She doesn't want to be held back, bro.
dave chappelle
Have you ever taken a dog hunting?
joe rogan
No.
dave chappelle
You can't do that, right?
joe rogan
No, not my dog.
dave chappelle
It's too dangerous for a dog.
joe rogan
Well, you wouldn't want him to be in the woods, first of all, because he'd probably scare off the animals.
But second of all, he has the instincts to chase squirrels and shit.
He chases squirrels, but he's a lover.
There's no aggression in him.
With other dogs, he's always the beta.
He tries to be the alpha, but they bark at him.
He's like, sorry, sorry.
dave chappelle
The Australian Shepherd's like that.
She's like the dog you described that needs work.
You can tell she's a herder.
She corrals kids, she corrals me.
joe rogan
Isn't that interesting?
They have it in their DNA. I've seen that.
dave chappelle
They really do.
It's a...
And the dog is really smart.
I never trained this dog, but you would think I had.
I just talked to it.
And you could see her face trying to figure out what I'm talking about.
It's really cool.
joe rogan
I think he's doing something with the dog.
dave chappelle
To beat his dog.
joe rogan
They do figure out words.
Like, it's not just commands.
Like, my dog knows.
You hungry, man?
You want to eat?
He knows when I say, you hungry?
What do you want to do, dude?
You want to throw the ball?
He's like, let's throw the fucking ball.
He'll go over by where the ball is.
You got to go outside?
And he'll just start walking towards the door.
He knows a few phrases.
Because I definitely trained him, like sit and all that shit.
But some dogs are just smarter than other dogs.
He's a really smart dog.
dave chappelle
Yeah, man.
Does he like Austin?
Do you like Austin?
joe rogan
I love it.
I love it here.
dave chappelle
What did he do?
joe rogan
Oh, Donnell!
Down with the count!
Hey, that's actually...
You did a great job.
You actually put it back perfect.
That's perfect.
I was dead in frame.
Don't worry about it, man.
That's the best recovery I've ever seen from one of these stupid things.
These aren't ideal.
These cameras mounted on the wall.
dave chappelle
I like the setup a lot, man.
Thank you.
It feels homey.
You actually just tricked me into doing the podcast.
joe rogan
Sorry.
dave chappelle
No, I'm going to come and do it, like, for real, for real.
joe rogan
For real, for real.
Okay.
dave chappelle
Yeah.
As a matter of fact, I should come after the inauguration.
joe rogan
Okay.
Let's do it.
dave chappelle
I'll come after the inauguration.
joe rogan
That sounds great.
donnell rawlings
Nobody believe I got shot, son.
Yo, Dave, I don't know what's going on, man, but everywhere I go...
joe rogan
Don't eat on the air.
donnell rawlings
Why I can't eat over here?
joe rogan
You're going to crunch on the air?
donnell rawlings
Where?
joe rogan
You're crunching in the microphone.
You're eating.
donnell rawlings
Come on, man.
That's disgusting.
Yo, he said he was going to bring enough elk for me and you.
dave chappelle
I would totally do that.
Is it good?
joe rogan
Yes.
dave chappelle
Have you had it before?
donnell rawlings
I tried to tell them about it.
joe rogan
Yeah, it's good.
dave chappelle
So what do you do?
You make jerky?
You barbecue it?
joe rogan
I just put it on a grill.
I usually put it on a...
You know what a Traeger grill is?
unidentified
No.
joe rogan
It's a pellet grill.
So it just has like little wood pellets they make with sawdust.
dave chappelle
I've seen those, yeah.
joe rogan
They compress the sawdust into these pellets and pour it into the machine.
So it's basically just fire and wood.
So it's like keep it at a low temperature.
Control it like 265. Until it hits 120 degrees internal temperature.
Then I pull it, and then I sear the outside.
One of two ways.
Either I do it in a cast iron frying pan with beef tallow, which is rendered beef fat.
dave chappelle
Oh, wow.
joe rogan
Or I do it, I have a grill.
I could do it outside on another kind of grill.
Usually I like to do it in the cast iron frying pan.
dave chappelle
You heard it here first.
Joe Rogan doesn't just like killing animals.
He likes cooking them too.
donnell rawlings
I like it.
It's complicated.
He always has a perfect, he got this perfect little chopping block he put them on.
And he always throw the jalapenos on his side, right?
And it's just, you see this perfectly seared meat, and then the knife is like a Japanese, some extra shit.
Then you see a little blood, and then a little jalapenos, and he's showing off, son.
joe rogan
Do you cook at all, Dave?
dave chappelle
Not anything like you guys.
Donnell can cook.
joe rogan
That's all I hear.
dave chappelle
I couldn't believe it.
He challenged me.
I thought he was joking.
He said, I'm going to cook for all these people.
I literally thought he was joking.
I said, he can't cook.
He's like, what?
Like he was offended.
So he makes me take him to a grocery store.
This is in Ohio.
And I was laughing the whole time until he started shopping.
He goes to the lady, do you have clam juice?
I said, clam juice?
Started asking for all these fucking ingredients.
Killed it.
Cooked for like 20 of my friends in Ohio.
And then went and did a show.
It was amazing.
donnell rawlings
And then I made him apologize to me.
He was like, you did a good job.
I was like, no, motherfucker.
You got to do it on stage.
You said you was going to promise it was on stage.
Fuck that shit.
dave chappelle
I'm saying it on the podcast.
It was amazing.
donnell rawlings
No, I made him say it.
I was like, he was like, yeah, Donnie.
I was like, nah, nigga, what the fuck did you say?
joe rogan
How did you learn to cook?
donnell rawlings
Just watching my mother cook, just watching cooking shows.
But I do remember when I was younger, my mother was a part of Publishers' Clan House, and I think they had one promotion where you get a Betty Crocker's recipe book, and it had all these recipe cards.
And they sent it to you, and it's like meats, and then you see all these recipes.
And I used to look at the recipe, and I was like, man, we ain't got shit to make none of this with.
We had the recipe, but we didn't have the ingredients.
So I just started reading those recipe cards.
When I got older, I was like, I should start just fucking with this shit I couldn't cook.
And then I just started fucking around and just started having fun with cooking.
joe rogan
Do you go off recipes now or do you have it in your head?
donnell rawlings
I go off of it 100%.
You know what I'm saying?
It's like, you know, with cooking, it's like a technique, the art of cooking.
If you know how to cook, you can cook whatever.
It all depends on what spice is or whatever.
But if you know how to cook, you know how to cook.
joe rogan
What's the specialty?
donnell rawlings
I don't really have a specialty.
joe rogan
Really?
donnell rawlings
I don't have a specialty.
I'll follow a recipe.
Somebody will do something.
I'll get inspired by something.
But I do know I make these garlic noodles, right?
It's not a specialty, but it's a whopper.
It's like a wet-ass pussy dish.
It's a wet-ass pussy dish, son.
There's no way around it.
They love the garlic noodles, and I make a dope-ass garlic.
You can put whatever protein you want on it, but the garlic noodles are fucking crazy.
dave chappelle
In fact, you made those at night.
donnell rawlings
I did?
dave chappelle
Yeah, you did.
I was impressed.
I love this thing you said, the metaphor.
We had the recipes, just not the ingredients.
That's a good metaphor for a lot of things in life.
We had the recipes, but none of the ingredients.
donnell rawlings
We didn't have it.
dave chappelle
Well, that's a bar.
You should write that down.
donnell rawlings
Yeah.
Will I remember it?
But that's the truth.
joe rogan
Someone will tell you.
It's true.
dave chappelle
Just watch the podcast tomorrow.
unidentified
You too.
joe rogan
Yeah, everyone wants equal access to the ingredients.
dave chappelle
That's right.
I had the recipe.
joe rogan
Real equality, right?
dave chappelle
But none of the ingredients.
joe rogan
That really is the difference.
That's a great metaphor.
dave chappelle
It is.
joe rogan
Yeah, for life.
donnell rawlings
That's what I was telling y'all niggas, man.
Yo, he's been not listening to my story the whole show, Dave.
unidentified
I listened.
donnell rawlings
He doesn't believe you.
Anytime I mention I got shot.
joe rogan
I believed him the first time.
I believed him the second time.
I believed him every time.
dave chappelle
You know Pierre Edwards?
joe rogan
Yes.
dave chappelle
Great comedian.
I saw a video today.
It was on some guy's Instagram.
He's a comedian.
It was me introducing him at a comedy club when I was like 17. Wow.
Someone just sent it to me.
donnell rawlings
Pierre from D.C.? Which one?
dave chappelle
Yeah, Pierre from D.C. Yeah?
He used to do the funniest joke about getting shot.
I'm not going to do another guy's joke.
But, you know, he got shot in D.C. like one night.
donnell rawlings
Oh, yeah, I remember that.
dave chappelle
Yeah, it was funny.
He's a funny dude.
donnell rawlings
I got shot.
Nobody fucking believe me, man.
joe rogan
We believe you.
donnell rawlings
Yo, are you going to bring some elk?
joe rogan
I told you I'll cook some.
donnell rawlings
I'm ready.
I'm ready, man.
I want to see what they say in the streets.
What's all this fuss is about?
I want some elk, son.
Yo, everywhere I go, motherfuckers say, did you try the elk?
joe rogan
That's all I know.
dave chappelle
Is it gamey?
joe rogan
No, it's not gamey.
There's a weird taste that people associate with venison, a gamey taste.
And for the most part, it either hasn't been prepared correctly or it wasn't taken care of correctly after the animal died.
That's for the most part.
It's a different flavor, but I think what people associate with not tasting good, I think a lot of that, a lot of it, not all of it, but a lot of it isn't just personal taste, it's bad preparation.
You get a steak from a grocery store, you're assuming that professional butchers, like people that grow the cows, professional butchers, all down the line, they get you a steak.
If you got a guy's deer meat, who knows how this guy took care of that fucking deer.
You know, he could have had that shit hanging in a tree.
donnell rawlings
You don't see no marbleization in there, bitch, nowhere.
No marbleization in there, nowhere.
joe rogan
Sometimes people shoot them and they don't get them into the morning.
donnell rawlings
See, this is what I'm talking about, Dave.
Look what the fuck I'm talking about, Dave.
joe rogan
That's good.
donnell rawlings
No, wait a minute.
That's a show on board.
Exactly.
Dave, this is go-to picture.
joe rogan
You're not going to shame me.
You're not going to shame me.
donnell rawlings
This is a good elk day right here, son.
joe rogan
It is a good elk day.
donnell rawlings
What does the caption say?
Watch he mention something about a jalapeno somewhere.
joe rogan
This is the final product.
donnell rawlings
Oh, shit.
joe rogan
That's Pretty, right?
donnell rawlings
But what's that a dry rub?
What rub is that?
joe rogan
That's a Saskatchewan, blackened Saskatchewan.
It's a Traeger rub.
It's like a Cajun style almost, but it's got, it's like a blackened, but not like, it's got a lot of salt to it.
donnell rawlings
It's delicious.
joe rogan
It's the perfect rub.
I love that rub for elk.
dave chappelle
So wait, when you cook it, you cut it up yourself?
You know how to cut steaks out of a...
donnell rawlings
Yes!
joe rogan
That's the whole purpose!
I do, but that part is easy because that part is what's called the back strap.
That's the big, thick piece of meat that's on each side of the spine.
donnell rawlings
Look at the knife, though, nigga.
Is that a Japanese?
joe rogan
No, that's an American knife.
Who made that knife?
What does it say in the caption?
unidentified
No.
joe rogan
There's no tag or nothing?
unidentified
No.
joe rogan
The dude who made it was shit.
donnell rawlings
Dave, you wouldn't eat that.
joe rogan
It's in there somewhere, same knife, real close to it.
dave chappelle
So if you're killing elk, how long are you eating that elk?
joe rogan
You can eat it for a whole year.
dave chappelle
Literally a year?
joe rogan
Yeah, they're huge.
unidentified
Yeah, some knife here.
joe rogan
I got it.
There it is.
The guy gave me the knife.
There it is.
Neanderthal.
Oh, Chumney knives.
C-H-U-M-N-E-F-Y knives.
unidentified
That knife looks right, son.
donnell rawlings
That knife looks right.
joe rogan
It's a dope knife.
Yeah, you'd eat it for all year.
It's hundreds of pounds of meat.
It's like 400 pounds of meat.
unidentified
They're huge.
joe rogan
They're huge.
dave chappelle
It's okay.
Say you're shooting elk.
You're bow hunting, I'm imagining.
joe rogan
Yeah.
dave chappelle
What happens?
It runs off?
You gotta follow it for like a day or two?
joe rogan
If you hit them right, they die pretty quick.
unidentified
Ow!
dave chappelle
Damn!
donnell rawlings
He do it with a bow though, son!
joe rogan
But you have to practice a lot, man.
donnell rawlings
This nigga do it with a bow!
joe rogan
It's not easy.
But the point is, I know exactly where that meat's coming from.
I know the whole chain of command.
I know everything that's happened from the time that animal got hit until the time I'm cooking it.
dave chappelle
That's interesting.
Yeah, it's mind blowing.
I get all my meats from strangers.
joe rogan
Yeah, most people do.
dave chappelle
Yeah, you don't think about it.
I was in Alaska once and a lady told me that she hadn't eaten something, she hadn't killed herself in years.
This woman looked like a Betty Crocker model, like a house model.
She was working in an ammunition store.
I had never been to a gun store before.
It was ridiculous.
This is in Fairbanks, Alaska.
It was so many.
Think of a kind of gun.
The guy goes, this is a sniper rifle.
You can shoot a bear with this from two miles away.
Couldn't imagine why I would shoot a bear that was two miles away.
I couldn't, I was the weirdest sales pitch, and he literally said that to me.
joe rogan
Yeah, that's like a thousand yards, right?
Isn't that?
Isn't it two miles?
dave chappelle
Two miles?
Way farther than that.
joe rogan
How many thousand miles is a mile?
Oh, 5,000 feet is a mile.
Right, it's not yards.
unidentified
Plus to 2,000 yards.
dave chappelle
Yeah, it's crazy.
joe rogan
So they can shoot things at a thousand yards.
Like snipers have hit shots at a thousand yards.
So just think of that number.
dave chappelle
It was a crazy thing to dispel and sell to somebody.
I'm not going to get into all that gun stuff.
joe rogan
A mile is 5,000 feet and then a thousand yards a bullet.
That's crazy.
That's so far.
dave chappelle
That's really far.
donnell rawlings
That's a long squint.
joe rogan
Yeah.
10,000 feet for them is nothing.
donnell rawlings
That's the scope, though.
That has to be a scope.
dave chappelle
Well, again, this was Alaska, so you gotta think, things like guns there are more utilitarian than, like, you know, New York or something.
People do need...
You don't want a toolie out there, I think.
joe rogan
Yeah.
Everybody has guns up there.
Well, they also have bears and fucking moose and shit.
dave chappelle
Yeah.
It's crazy up there.
It looks unfinished.
It's beautiful.
joe rogan
It's a wild place.
It's one of the last real...
The people that live up there are a different kind of human.
They're more...
They have...
They're more durable.
donnell rawlings
They're not soybean eaters.
dave chappelle
They have all these Alaska-isms.
They call leaving Alaska going outside.
joe rogan
Really?
dave chappelle
Yeah, it's like a cult.
They say the lower 48, we all heard that before.
They'll call the rest of the continental US lower 48. Tons of them.
But it was fun up there, man.
joe rogan
They're nice people.
I've only done shows up there once.
I did shows in Anchorage with Ari.
We had a good fucking time.
They were good people.
But they're sturdy.
They're like, you can tell.
They survive winter.
They deal with shit that people don't have to deal with.
dave chappelle
The male to female ratio.
The male to female ratio.
Guys, I'll number women in Alaska.
I think 10 to 1. 10 to 1. There's not many women.
donnell rawlings
Oh, some motherfuckers are sexy as shit out there, bitch.
dave chappelle
Ten to one.
Well, yeah, that's what you would think.
You'd think, oh, if you're a woman, oh, this is great.
Ten guys, you got ten dusty dirt on the fingernail choices.
These guys are rugged.
unidentified
Right.
dave chappelle
These guys are rugged.
You know what I mean?
joe rogan
Yeah, just think of the jobs you have.
dave chappelle
I was the only dude in the nail shop in Fairbanks, Alaska.
Everybody else's nails and hands look like shit.
donnell rawlings
Yo, you was killing it, sir.
dave chappelle
I've been mining all day.
I met a guy as a gold miner.
Weird jobs like that.
donnell rawlings
That's how it was when I was in the Air Force, when I was stationed in Kunzong, Korea.
It was like 10 guys to every girl.
And whoever she was, she was America's next top model.
She had the attitude.
Every one of them chicks was like, motherfucker, you gotta compete.
That's why niggas was going downtown.
joe rogan
It's definitely an unhealthy balance.
dave chappelle
You know Donnell speaks Korean.
donnell rawlings
Not fluently, but just casual.
dave chappelle
But no, I didn't know that.
We were in New York when we were shooting Chappelle's show.
We walk into a deli.
donnell rawlings
Yeah.
dave chappelle
And, you know, two Korean guys sitting talking to each other.
Donnell turns over, you know how he talks, and he starts coming back, but, you know, starts doing the thing.
And I thought he was fucking with him.
I'm like, oh, come on, man, don't do that.
Like, I'm so sorry, sir.
And the guy goes, the guy looks shocked.
And then the guy starts talking back, and they talk to each other for a couple seconds.
And I'm like, I was floored, staring at him.
I couldn't believe it.
And he goes, oh, they thought, uh, he said, they thought we were stealing, son.
And I told him that we wasn't stealing.
I think he called him like a dog-eating motherfucker in his own language.
And he loved it.
He said it.
He promised me you'd call him a doggie motherfucker.
donnell rawlings
Yeah, I went hard, son.
joe rogan
Because he was saying something about you while you were standing there and he didn't know that you could speak Korean.
donnell rawlings
Yeah, but we were engaged in the conversation.
Me and the guy was engaged in the conversation.
Dave thought I was mocking him.
You know, Dave thought I was mongering, but I was really having a conversation with him.
So Dave didn't know.
He thought I was, like, fucking with him.
Like, yo, you can't talk like that.
And then I was rocking with him.
I was like, oh, shit.
dave chappelle
Those guys were floored.
I was floored.
donnell rawlings
They're like, when they see a black guy going to one of those stores that speak any level of Korean, they fucking lose it.
Like, how often does that happen?
dave chappelle
Well, clearly this means, one could surmise, that when you were in the Air Force, you spent a lot of time off base.
donnell rawlings
I did.
dave chappelle
You would just be in town and just hanging out.
donnell rawlings
I would just go, when we had days off, I would go to these little small cities or wherever they lived.
They never experienced Americans, let alone a black guy.
And I would catch boats and shit over there and just hang out with them.
And that's how I got, they got accustomed to me and I got accustomed to them.
joe rogan
Can you read it?
donnell rawlings
No, I couldn't read it.
But I could, back in the day, I could spell my name.
But it was just like, I was with trustworthy people.
You know, we all worked together and it was just like, fuck can I do, man?
Let's go see what your culture is about.
joe rogan
That's cool that you learned that.
That's a rare thing.
That's probably a difficult language to pick up to.
The sounds are so different.
dave chappelle
Well, to me, I think it's a testament that you're a people person.
Which goes back to the original point we all made.
You find a way.
If you want to hang out and talk to people and nobody speaks your language, I don't speak that language.
Yeah, you'll find the way.
donnell rawlings
Yeah, you will.
joe rogan
So did you learn from books?
Did you take classes?
donnell rawlings
Did you learn from talking to people?
It was just shared with the main gate.
We worked the main gate.
You would have 12 hours, 16 hour days.
So there's one American on one side and there's two Koreans on the other side.
You could just stare at each other all day or you could just start doing word association.
You know what I mean?
It's poignant stuff.
joe rogan
Oh, wow.
dave chappelle
What did you just say?
donnell rawlings
They say, yo, main gate, Airman Rollins, man, help you.
That was the greeting.
I would say when it comes, that's what they would say.
But I would switch it to me.
They used to be like, oh!
Yo, I'm telling you, son, they used to get amped.
unidentified
When I get a joy ride, they'd be like, oh, Rollins, why, why, why?
donnell rawlings
They was like, Rollins, don't answer phone because I sound like them.
And then they would say something else I didn't know.
I'd be like, yeah, yeah, come something down, touch them up.
They'd be like, oh!
dave chappelle
Because your accent was perfect.
donnell rawlings
Yeah.
dave chappelle
I would do the same.
When I started learning Spanish, I went to Ecuador once for like six weeks.
I just started picking up Spanish.
I had a driver.
I just met the guy.
I hired him.
I said, yeah, you drive the car.
He spoke like a little bit of English.
I spoke less Spanish, but we did the same thing.
By the end of it, by the end of six weeks, My man, I could speak Spanish.
donnell rawlings
Yeah.
dave chappelle
But I would mimic the action of whoever taught me the word.
If I learned the word from an Argentinian, I'd say it like an Argentinian says it.
donnell rawlings
If I... That's why when I do Korean or whatever, when I do it, even when I do it in my act, when it's broken Korean, people know that's an odyssey.
He got the tone of an older person, a respected person.
It's an odyssey.
A real Korean could tell who I was around to give me my accent or however I did it.
dave chappelle
So I have a friend named Japanese Naki.
donnell rawlings
I know Japanese Naki.
dave chappelle
Yeah, she is from Tokyo.
And for some reason, when she was in high school, moved to Alabama.
She learned English from Alabama people.
donnell rawlings
Whoa.
dave chappelle
Which created one of the more hilarious accents I've ever heard in my life.
donnell rawlings
Oh my god, hell yeah!
I'm just like, where's she got a country?
She got a country accent.
Wow.
dave chappelle
Yeah, she's the best.
donnell rawlings
And she likes lemon pepper chicken wings, too.
dave chappelle
It's that kind of stuff.
donnell rawlings
Yeah.
joe rogan
In other languages, there's all these weird tones that change the meaning of words.
donnell rawlings
It changes the meaning, especially...
joe rogan
Like in Korean in particular, right?
donnell rawlings
In Korean in particular, because you can tell the way people use their voice when they talk to people.
Older people always talk down to people.
It don't matter what you did.
It don't matter what it is for you to celebrate.
It's always like, ah, it wasn't enough.
joe rogan
Do you know that those problems in communication is why Korean Air only teaches pilots in English?
They only learn and communicate in English.
dave chappelle
They're not allowed to communicate in Korean.
How do you know that?
joe rogan
Well, because they started, they recognized that there was an issue with the superior and dealing with a superior, like if you were my captain and I was your, I couldn't say certain things to you.
If the fucking plane's gonna crash.
dave chappelle
Oh.
joe rogan
I can't simply say, you're doing it the wrong way.
You can't say it, but in English you can.
So they taught them to communicate in English because it changes the way, or they only use English, because it changes the way you communicate with people.
You don't have that cultural classification of a superior, of an older person who demands respect.
donnell rawlings
I get it, and that's the one thing people don't understand about, especially Korean culture, is the level of respect that they have.
People think it's like, oh, you don't fuck with me because I'm black.
No, the level of respect they have, they give a fuck about being older.
That's money, that's prestige, that's everything.
You being older in Korean culture, What's money?
You know, I was around Koreans a lot when I was a teenager.
dave chappelle
I like this cultural nuance.
joe rogan
Korea is a fascinating culture.
donnell rawlings
What they don't have is like...
Like, Korean dads don't really have connection with their kids like that.
They don't have, like, the ultimate emotional, oh, you did a good job shit.
That's not even their job.
joe rogan
They're very hard on their kids.
donnell rawlings
That's it.
joe rogan
In general.
I had a good friend of mine who was a doctor.
He was going through his residency while he was on the national taekwondo team.
And the dude would literally be in school and he would take breaks to put his backpack on.
He'd fill the backpack up with books and run up staircases and go all the way back down and then go back to going to the library to finish his work.
And then he would find a way to go to the gym every night and he won the national championship.
And he's this Korean kid.
I've never met a person who worked harder in my life.
To this day, I think about that dude.
He was always tired.
I go, how you doing, man?
He goes, I'm always tired.
I'm always tired.
That motherfucker, every day would be in that gym.
Every day.
Jung-Sik Chang, that was his name.
dave chappelle
Is he still alive?
joe rogan
I don't know.
I haven't talked to him in a long time.
He was a guy that was probably the star student of our team when I was competing, because he was this guy that was not just a national champion, but also a guy who did it while he was in his fucking medical residency.
The amount of work that he was capable of doing was insane.
And he was like, the way Koreans are, the way he would describe it to me, he's like, nothing's ever enough.
No matter what I do, it's never perfect.
No one's here to praise me.
I gotta keep working harder.
dave chappelle
Sounds like a fun guy.
donnell rawlings
Jesus Christ.
The Korean military?
joe rogan
Yeah.
donnell rawlings
It's like when somebody was outranked or whatever, they used to do this thing called education, where they could just talk to a little Korean motherfucker any kind of way they want.
joe rogan
Yeah.
donnell rawlings
And they used to have this little greeting they used to do, and then you'd just see the young Korean just like...
They could do whatever they wanted to this motherfucker.
He could not do nothing but just show them respect.
joe rogan
Yeah, you have to take it.
donnell rawlings
They used to, like, it wasn't no rules like, if you do this, they would fucking beat them motherfuckers up or whatever, and they came back, no, no, no, no, no, no.
dave chappelle
But there's one thing I like that you described.
donnell rawlings
What?
dave chappelle
The reverence for older people.
joe rogan
Yeah.
dave chappelle
I feel like here in America, we be just discarding people.
donnell rawlings
Yeah, really quick.
unidentified
Yeah.
joe rogan
It's not wise.
dave chappelle
We should get more than half price at the movies at a certain point.
donnell rawlings
Yeah, come on.
That's the least they could do.
joe rogan
Well, we've forgotten that it's important to have people that are older than you that figure life out a little bit better than you have to help lead the way.
dave chappelle
When you guys were running for president, the way they kept going in on Joe Biden for being old, you know, whatever.
It's whatever.
So come on, man.
joe rogan
Well, Trump's old, too.
dave chappelle
That's what I mean.
I like when Trump calls the elderly the elderly, as if that somehow doesn't apply to him.
donnell rawlings
Yo, that's how I am.
Yo, Dave.
I did a show once, right?
And I was so caught up in myself.
I was like, look at all these old head motherfuckers that I went to high school with, right?
I was like, old ass motherfuckers that I'm their same age.
I forgot the connection altogether.
dave chappelle
That's real.
donnell rawlings
That's real, sir.
Every once in a while.
I'm old, but they are the older than me.
joe rogan
And they're the same age.
donnell rawlings
Yep, they're the exact same age.
I'm talking shit.
dave chappelle
Yeah, all my friends around my age.
donnell rawlings
You don't feel it.
dave chappelle
Yeah, they dress the part.
joe rogan
That's why it's very important for older people to actually have their shit together.
Because when older people actually have their shit together, maybe people will resume the idea of respecting older people.
Maybe it'll become more of a trend in the future.
But when older people are that old and they're still crazy, that's the problem with a guy like Trump.
That old and still, I won this, and big!
All the craziness...
Like, the girl he used to bang called her horse face on Twitter.
Like, that kind of craziness.
donnell rawlings
Yeah.
joe rogan
That kind of craziness is like...
donnell rawlings
But you come to expect it of him, though, and it became very entertaining, man.
He made it all entertaining, but then it was involving people's lives.
dave chappelle
But it's like clothes.
Like, you know how you'll see an old person dressed up, and you know that maybe like 30 years ago, that outfit was the shit.
unidentified
Yeah.
dave chappelle
You know what I mean?
joe rogan
Yeah.
dave chappelle
But maybe he's not killing it today.
And it's like you can see him put it on one time and just be like, this is it.
Gone without me.
Fashion keep going.
joe rogan
Isn't it funny how fashion eventually comes back around?
And then you got dudes dressing up like they're old-timey photographers.
donnell rawlings
When I grew up this summer, for me, I just grew up with it.
I don't even give a fuck.
You know what I'm saying?
I remember this summer, son, I was starting to buy shit that had waterproof on it.
You know what I mean?
Reversible.
I was like, fuck that fucking city boy shit.
I was buying shit that was fitting for the condition and the weather that I was in.
dave chappelle
Right.
Clothes become utilitarian.
donnell rawlings
Yeah, I was like...
dave chappelle
Before you get out of a city.
Your guy wears work clothes for, you know...
donnell rawlings
To work, and it's cold.
dave chappelle
That's right.
Everything's practical.
joe rogan
Alaskans understand that shit.
dave chappelle
Boy, do they.
joe rogan
They get it.
dave chappelle
It'd be a hard place to go.
If I had to go buy some clothes for a date in Alaska, boy, that's a tough one.
donnell rawlings
Yeah, you have nothing to do with it.
dave chappelle
I hope you like waiters, bitch.
joe rogan
You got a few days a year where it's not cold outside.
And on those days, it's like 24 hours.
donnell rawlings
But those people are conditioned for it now.
joe rogan
But that's where it's weird when it's 24 hours sun.
dave chappelle
Well, that was part of it.
They had all these signs up.
Because this was like in November.
It was like Game of Thrones.
Winter is coming.
And there were these signs that said, get your happy lights.
Have you heard of this?
joe rogan
No.
dave chappelle
They're like UV lights that people put in their house to mimic sunshine.
Just so that they don't get depressed.
I couldn't imagine.
donnell rawlings
It's like they're homegrown, man.
That's crazy.
joe rogan
Do you remember that there was a vampire movie a few years back called 30 Days of Night?
It's all about vampires that show up in Alaska because there's 30 days where it never gets light out.
dave chappelle
Oh, that's a good premise.
joe rogan
So these vampires just fuck this town up for 30 days because they know when.
So they bring this vampire familiar that pulls the boat into the Anchorage shore, whatever the fuck they landed, and they get out in this small town and just wreak havoc on this town for 30 days.
dave chappelle
Robin Williams and Al Pacino did a movie the opposite of that.
It's called Insomnia.
You ever seen that?
joe rogan
I didn't see that.
dave chappelle
It was a weird character thing.
Pacino's character is a cop, and Robin Williams is a guy he's looking for, for a heinous crime, right?
The backdrop of the movie was that it was daylight for 24 hours a day, and the guy had terrible insomnia.
unidentified
Wow.
joe rogan
That's a rough way to live when it never gets dark out.
I remember doing it when I was in Anchorage.
I did shows up there with Orange Fear and we went fishing.
And it was like 2 o'clock in the morning and it was bright outside.
I was like, this is weird, man.
dave chappelle
I would love that.
It's weird.
donnell rawlings
I would love it too.
Fishing at 2 o'clock?
joe rogan
Oh yeah, you can just keep going.
There's parts where it gets dark like barely for like an hour.
donnell rawlings
Did you fly fish?
You fly fish?
joe rogan
No, we were trolling for salmon.
donnell rawlings
How do you trope a salmon?
joe rogan
You pull a boat and you cast some lures in.
You're really trying to get the salmon aggravated.
That's what they want.
They're not really hungry at that point.
They're trying to fuck.
So when they get your lure, they're really pissed off at it more than anything.
dave chappelle
Jesus Christ, people have thought of everything.
Who the fuck would think to aggravate a fish?
joe rogan
Aggravate salmon, yeah.
donnell rawlings
Somebody that needed that.
joe rogan
Yeah, there's certain salmon that only eat plankton.
They eat microscopic shit.
They don't really eat fish.
dave chappelle
This is in a river you were doing it.
joe rogan
Yeah, you pull lures by...
I think that's...
Is that Chinook or Sockeye?
I'm trying to figure out which one doesn't really eat fish.
And the only time you catch them is when you piss them off.
donnell rawlings
I don't know nothing about my salmons.
Like, sockeye, I don't know my salmons have different personalities or anything, sir.
joe rogan
Well, some fish just eat fish, right?
And some fish just eat microscopic shit.
And there's one particular type of salmon that only eats microscopic shit.
And the way you catch it is by getting it pissed.
And that's in Alaska.
They do that out of, like, Bristol Bay.
I think that's Chinook.
Is that correct?
dave chappelle
I'm trying to Salmon migrate, right?
joe rogan
Yeah, they migrate.
dave chappelle
So are they saltwater or are they freshwater?
joe rogan
They're both.
dave chappelle
They're both.
That's what I thought.
joe rogan
Yeah.
They move through.
I forget what it's called.
But they go out to saltwater and they come back to spawn in freshwater.
And they have to do it in the same river.
So if you damn the river up, they're fucked and they die.
They don't know where to go.
And they never wind up reproducing.
donnell rawlings
Which one gone is the most money?
joe rogan
Salmon.
Salmon's huge.
Out of all fish, it's probably tuna.
donnell rawlings
Really?
joe rogan
Yeah, but they're running out of tuna, man.
They keep just jacking tuna.
Talk to those old tuna guys in Japan, and they're like, we used to see a lot of tuna.
Now you go to the tuna market, it's a fraction of what it used to be.
There's just not as much tuna left.
Yeah, people love sushi.
donnell rawlings
I know they do in Atlanta.
joe rogan
It's worth a lot of money.
unidentified
Ha ha ha!
joe rogan
What happened?
dave chappelle
He's referring to it.
donnell rawlings
I know they love sushi in Atlanta, bro.
They had a big thing about sushi in Atlanta.
joe rogan
What happened about sushi in Atlanta?
unidentified
Quick question.
dave chappelle
Quick question before I go.
Because this is coming up.
The next time we meet, I want to ask you about what you think.
The vaccine.
Are you taking it?
joe rogan
I'll take it if it works.
If I feel that the doctors have all gotten their opinions behind it and they think...
You know what it is?
It's like an mRNA vaccine, this new vaccine.
It makes your body think that...
It doesn't introduce actual COVID into your system and you fight it off.
It makes your body think that it's COVID and your body builds the proper proteins to fight it off.
That's interesting.
A guy explained it to us yesterday, Nicholas Christakis.
He's from Yale.
donnell rawlings
He's a soybean boy.
joe rogan
No, he doesn't.
He's a good man.
donnell rawlings
He's a soybean boy.
joe rogan
He's a great man, and I won't let you disparage him.
donnell rawlings
No, I'm not disparaging him.
He's a doctor.
joe rogan
Anyway, he thinks the vaccine will be very effective.
And even if it doesn't keep you from getting it, it'll prevent or hopefully prevent you from getting a bad case of it.
I don't know, though.
dave chappelle
So what would you need?
Would you need just the consensus of a body of doctors you trust?
joe rogan
And people's experiences, because people have already taken it.
So if people have taken it, what is the experience?
They say that they felt like shit for a few days.
That's it.
Now, is that true?
I mean, who are they?
Have you talked to them?
What's a few days?
And what do you mean by feel like shit?
Like, did you try running four days later and you still felt terrible?
dave chappelle
So wait, apparently they're distributing this vaccine almost now, right?
joe rogan
I don't think it's totally ready, but it very soon will be ready.
And if it's effective, they're going to encourage people to take it.
It makes people feel nervous.
donnell rawlings
But then they say they're going to have it for like doctors and like essential people at the beginning of it.
joe rogan
Yeah, first.
And then it's going to probably people that are high risk, like older folks.
donnell rawlings
Yeah, but the thing is, it's going to have people have a sense of like there is something that could be done now.
Like it's a sense of hope.
It's a sense of progress.
It's a sense of like, you know, it was at one time when we didn't even have a thought of a vaccine.
Now we got Competitors and shit.
joe rogan
Yeah.
donnell rawlings
People to think different.
joe rogan
Listen, if it works, we should take it.
But I know how people get real nervous about that kind of shit.
donnell rawlings
Black people don't fuck with vaccines.
I told you that, son.
joe rogan
How do you feel about it?
donnell rawlings
Dave, black people don't fuck with no vaccines, Dave.
dave chappelle
Well, I mean, I feel like it's inconclusive.
Because your caveat was, I'd take it if I felt safe about it.
joe rogan
Yeah.
dave chappelle
Well, that's just the thing.
joe rogan
Don't you feel like that same way?
dave chappelle
Well, of course.
So now...
You know, for the first time, we're learning how a drug, the process of a drug, you know, going through trials.
We're learning this literally as a nation.
We're all watching this thing take place.
joe rogan
And an accelerated version of it.
dave chappelle
An accelerated version of it.
joe rogan
Because usually a vaccine takes multiple years to develop.
donnell rawlings
Yeah.
joe rogan
So this is really quick to be able to have something this quick and turn it around.
dave chappelle
It's like those movies where they find a cure by the end and you're like, oh, that's bullshit.
They're doing it.
Not a cure, but a vaccine is a big deal.
joe rogan
The good thing is, if another one comes around, they're going to be more prepared to do something like this quicker.
Right.
I think people needed to really understand that in our lifetime, something can kill the world's economy and kill hundreds of thousands of people here and a million people worldwide.
donnell rawlings
I think everybody understood that.
joe rogan
I think we knew it, but I don't think we really expected it.
dave chappelle
They knew it.
The Obama administration had prepared for precisely that eventuality.
joe rogan
But I mean, us.
dave chappelle
Of course, yeah.
We couldn't wrap our mind around it.
joe rogan
Even if they told you, even if you watched Bill Gates' speech at TED Talk in 2015, you would never internalize it and think there's a pandemic coming.
donnell rawlings
Now we know.
Nobody.
joe rogan
Now we know there is.
Now we're going to want to invest in the medical infrastructure to make sure that they prepare better next time.
Hopefully people are going to learn from this.
donnell rawlings
Oh yeah, 100%.
People know nothing is going to be new.
There's nothing going to be new about it.
dave chappelle
Well, the debate is largely philosophical, right?
I mean, to this end, there's two schools of thought.
One school thought it's just gonna be what it's gonna be, and you gotta keep moving.
Like, why close anything?
And the other school thought, which I thought was, you know, it was more than just a philosophy.
It was a science.
Remember the premise when they locked us up was we have to wait to catch up to our medical infrastructure.
So we don't overburden our medical infrastructure.
We gotta suppress the disease till we can build up the infrastructure.
And they gave us an early estimate of two weeks.
This is how a comedian does.
When a comedian's doing a real long setting, he goes, one more thing before I go.
And then he does that four or five times and you realize, oh, this guy's gonna do another hour.
donnell rawlings
Oh yeah, that's so fucking rude.
dave chappelle
Yeah, but you know that trick?
That's what the pandemic, the quarantine felt like.
Two more weeks, three more weeks.
Maybe we'll open bars and, you know, that kind of shit.
donnell rawlings
But there's no way to control it other than create it yourself, right?
dave chappelle
What do you mean?
donnell rawlings
Like, the whole vibe of the scene, right?
dave chappelle
The vibe of which scene?
donnell rawlings
The pandemic.
You said, how do we get used to it?
What can we do about it?
joe rogan
Well, he's also saying, here's the thing.
We never signed up to let people tell us that we can and can't take risks or go to work.
And by saying that if you do it, you're going to kill other people.
That's what changed the game.
And so everybody has to figure out how much of that they're willing to accept and how much of that are they not and whether or not they're willing to take a shot.
Take this vaccine without knowing the long-term effects of it or worrying about the long-term effects of it.
And some people are naturally averse to taking any kind of medication.
They don't want to do it.
And other people are like, if you tell me it's good and all the doctors agree and it'll help mankind, I'll fucking do it.
That's how I feel.
Listen, polio, okay?
Shit doesn't exist anymore.
Smallpox doesn't exist anymore.
At least not in the numbers that it used to, right?
donnell rawlings
Yeah, but you got the old vaccine for that.
joe rogan
That's the old vaccine.
But that's because of vaccines.
The idea that vaccines have done...
Bad things only or that they're dangerous only.
It's crazy.
Like, vaccines are the responsible for the giant population of people.
dave chappelle
It's not vaccines.
I think at the core of this is just trust.
joe rogan
Yes.
dave chappelle
Do you trust these sources?
And people realize that they're at the mercy of someone that they don't necessarily trust.
joe rogan
Right.
dave chappelle
That's the rub.
joe rogan
Well, maybe that's the problem.
dave chappelle
Don't touch your own face and don't go outside.
I'll tell you when to come out.
Love of Renown Liar.
joe rogan
Yeah.
unidentified
Right.
dave chappelle
It's a tough one.
That was a tough one.
Especially here...
It goes something really, touches something really sore in the core of an American's identity.
Like you said, how can you tell me to do this?
joe rogan
Yeah.
dave chappelle
It's crazy, man.
This was a tough one here.
joe rogan
It's a weird one.
dave chappelle
Yeah.
joe rogan
It makes us redefine what it is to be a person.
You know, like if all of a sudden you have other people that got elected into a position of power.
That's all they did.
They won a popularity contest and they're dictating whether things go this way or that way.
And they don't necessarily have the right answer.
They just have their own answer.
And Dallas is doing it different than this town.
And you know, Washington State's doing it different than Nevada.
Everyone's doing it different.
donnell rawlings
But everybody's trying to do it also.
joe rogan
Yeah, but governors can tell you what you can and can't do.
It gets real weird.
And I get it.
They're trying to keep the hospital numbers down.
But you told us it was going to be two weeks.
Like you guys said two weeks and now here we are like nine months later and everyone's just waiting only for a vaccine.
dave chappelle
But I'm not speaking about, you know, if it's right, if it's wrong.
I'm not speaking about it like that.
I'm just saying whatever it was, that was very difficult.
joe rogan
Yeah.
dave chappelle
That was very difficult.
joe rogan
Very difficult.
dave chappelle
You know, I was fine.
But not knowing when you can work, not being able to move around, not being able to see my mother.
You know, you would never thought.
If someone had told me 11 months ago.
Even the night before, the last night we were on tour, what were we in?
Milwaukee.
donnell rawlings
Yes, it was Pabst.
dave chappelle
And the last show, it was the last night between shows, right?
It's a two-show night.
And the energy had changed.
It went from festive to, like, people looked worried when I got off stage.
Tom Hanks had had it, the one NBA guy who had touched everything and had it.
And then the horn starts ringing that they're going to shut the country down.
I literally go, that's impossible.
What, are you going to shut down the world?
It's impossible.
This is what I thought, my initial reaction.
But the energy changed.
Now I go out and do the second show, and immediately, I wasn't even thinking about this shit earlier that night.
I come out on stage, and everybody reached their hand, and I thought about it.
Okay, I start, you know, shaking people's hands.
joe rogan
Oh, I'm worried.
dave chappelle
But the day before, wouldn't have even been concerned about it.
Went into the green room for 40 minutes and talked to people who'd been glued to the television and watching the news, and then they scared the shit out of me.
My behavior changed almost instantly.
It was interesting.
I don't want to get too heavy.
I mean, I'm only hanging out.
donnell rawlings
No, man.
joe rogan
It's not too heavy.
That's exactly how I felt about it, too.
I remember I shook a dude's hand on a flight.
I was flying to Vegas for the fights.
It was like one of the last fights before they shut it down.
And some dude goes, I don't know, you want to shake hands?
I was like, I'll shake your hand.
He shook hands.
He had a mask on already.
I was like, wow.
He was ready to go down.
I think this was the very beginning of March.
donnell rawlings
This was the first time I would have been tested at any capacity was when I did your show that time.
That was the first time I had an antibody test or anything.
joe rogan
I would have never expected that here we would be deep into November and we're all still kind of locked down.
dave chappelle
When this started, you lived in LA. You had no plans to come here.
donnell rawlings
Yeah, you're in Texas.
dave chappelle
Think about it.
Your whole life has changed.
What's interesting about this time, there's another thing we should talk about next time I come.
Is that in mass, it feels like we're rewriting our social contracts.
You know, the whole thing.
And COVID is an accelerant on this process that I could have never imagined.
You know, they're locked inside, man.
People are stuck in our house with their choices.
Do you like your house?
Do you like who you're with?
Do you like these things you've accumulated?
I hope you like them because you're stuck with them.
I made great choices.
I like my choices.
You know, when I was faced with it like that, I was like, whew!
I had it much better than many people.
But imagine people doing that in mass.
It's pretty powerful.
It's a pretty powerful thought.
What does this do to a society?
This type of isolation and...
joe rogan
And almost forced reflection.
dave chappelle
Yeah, which is not necessarily a bad thing.
joe rogan
Right.
And we've always talked about how life is a rat race, right?
People get stuck in this rat race.
It feels never-ending.
It's not good that all these people lost their jobs.
It's not good that all these people are going to lose where they live.
dave chappelle
Not at all.
joe rogan
But it might help some people recognize that if you just keep going in this rat race, it never ends.
You've got to figure out a way out.
And now is a better time to figure out a way out than ever.
Because you kind of have to.
You kind of have to.
And society, as it existed 10 months ago, it's not the same place.
donnell rawlings
It's not the same.
dave chappelle
What's the country that is a country...
Maybe somewhere in the South Pacific or something, that measures their success as a nation with what they call their gross national happiness.
It's a totally different premise.
joe rogan
What country is that?
dave chappelle
I can't remember.
Maybe you Google gross national happiness.
Thanks, fingers.
unidentified
It says Bhutan.
dave chappelle
There it is, Bhutan.
There you go.
This is a real principle.
It's a philosophy that guides the government.
Think about this.
It's a philosophy that guides the government of Bhutan.
It includes an index which is used to measure the collective happiness.
This is the metric that they use To define their success.
joe rogan
If they tried that in America, they'd turn it into an app and it would fuck up everything.
dave chappelle
Oh my God.
joe rogan
People would just be striving to win the points on the app.
It would make people insane.
They'd get addicted to trying to be a better person.
dave chappelle
This is a vastly better metric.
I'm not a communist or none of that shit, but I think that I know too many people who are very wealthy Who had what I consider a poor quality of life.
Just because, like you say, the wealth is the point.
joe rogan
Yeah, they chased it.
dave chappelle
They chased it.
joe rogan
They didn't have any friends.
dave chappelle
Right, you're very wealthy.
You're hunting.
You love your dog.
Your dog hangs out with you like fucking Scooby-Doo.
Your kids like you.
You're living an adventure of a life.
Now you're doing the same thing you were doing in L.A. in a totally different city just because you're following that knowing feeling, I gotta be free.
Whatever it is.
joe rogan
There's a little bit of that and then there's also like I think you're better off living in a place with less people.
I think when you live to be you live in a place with like LA it's great in that there's a lot of resources there's a lot of shit happening there's a lot of people but it's bad in that Sometimes people, it diminishes the value of people a little bit when there's so many of them.
Like people stop thinking about people being as valuable.
dave chappelle
In LA, I don't even think that it's that.
For me, the thing that I always had a hard time with was the point of the place was show business.
joe rogan
Yeah.
dave chappelle
So when I was coming up in my career, everything reminded me of the things I didn't have.
And nothing let me appreciate where I was.
And then, now I love it.
It's a winner's circle.
I'm doing great.
So I can get in any restaurant.
But I remember what it felt like being there.
It's like, that's why I don't live there.
No disrespect to LA, but it's like, if I like a restaurant, I don't move in.
I just come when I want to eat.
I'm going to live in the restaurant.
joe rogan
I think your idea of living in another place gives you perspective.
dave chappelle
There's no question.
joe rogan
It's the best way to have perspective.
If you're stuck in that showbiz world, that becomes your culture.
Your culture is like this tiny fraction of the human beings in the world and so many people just start relating only to people in that culture.
Like that, you can get real isolated that way.
dave chappelle
Yeah, and for what we do for a living, I was that conducive to anything that we want to achieve.
joe rogan
No, it's so wise.
dave chappelle
Artistically.
joe rogan
No, it's a very wise decision.
Like really wise.
dave chappelle
Yeah.
joe rogan
That smells great, man.
dave chappelle
I told you, son!
donnell rawlings
That's the one, son!
dave chappelle
That candle is the shit.
I'll do a commercial for it right now.
You can cut this out or think.
Hi, I'm Dave Chappelle, and this is a Black Ash Candle.
It smells way better than it sounds.
Take it from me and Ashy Larry.
donnell rawlings
Black ass, bitch.
joe rogan
Cut.
One take.
It was beautiful.
Give it to me, I'll light it.
dave chappelle
Oh yeah, do that.
joe rogan
Get the scent going.
So when you're touring now, do you just pick a city and say, oh, I'm going to do Denver three nights in a row, find me a venue?
dave chappelle
Well, I don't know if I want this on a show, but just between us.
Well, you could, I don't know.
I'm not trying to.
joe rogan
We don't have to put anything on the show.
dave chappelle
But I want to post up here for like, you know, a few weeks.
It's cold in Ohio.
I like playing outdoors.
I like this Stubbs place a lot.
joe rogan
Beautiful.
dave chappelle
It's rocking.
So that's why I say, we do the damn thing.
I'm thinking around December, January.
Stay here for four or six weeks.
Try to finish the act that I was...
Boy, I was close.
When we were supposed to do those shows...
unidentified
Man, that summer was going to be fire, son!
dave chappelle
Me and Joe Rogan went on sale with some tickets.
This is Joe.
We must have sold 36,000 tickets in like 10 minutes.
It was insane.
We were so excited to do the show.
And like a week or two before...
The shutdown happened.
donnell rawlings
I was part of that shit, son.
It was about to be nice.
joe rogan
The ones we did were fun, too, though.
donnell rawlings
What was it?
joe rogan
Tacoma?
dave chappelle
I've never seen you at Beth.
Remember when we watched Once Upon a Time in Hollywood and all that shit?
unidentified
Yes!
dave chappelle
It was so much fun, man.
joe rogan
At 2 o'clock in the morning.
dave chappelle
The conversations.
Was I there?
joe rogan
Yeah, you were there.
That was when we were in...
unidentified
Utah?
donnell rawlings
No, that wasn't Utah.
joe rogan
No, it was Seattle.
Yeah, it was Tacoma.
Tacoma in the Seattle area.
dave chappelle
Tacoma Dome, that's right.
donnell rawlings
That was fun, man.
dave chappelle
That show was fire.
joe rogan
That was fun.
dave chappelle
That was so much fun.
And the conversations we'd have in the green room.
You know, every tour has its own culture, but the culture of this tour that we did together was great.
Yeah, Ian Edwards, who was traveling with you.
donnell rawlings
He was always famine, man.
He was always tired from not getting the right proteins, Ian.
Yo, this nigga slept the whole joint, son!
dave chappelle
But Ian and I, the first time I had ever left the country, I was like 18, I had my 19th birthday there in Scotland.
I did the Edinburgh Festival, and Ian Edwards was on the festival doing a show.
You know, black dudes from the West, like way West.
Man, we hit it off.
We would crack each other up.
And then, bam, I just see them on the road.
Made me feel 20 years younger.
And we all sit around in the green room.
The lights are red.
Music's good.
Really good vibes.
Really good company.
It was a perfect match.
joe rogan
You nail it with the red lights in your room.
It changes everything.
I'm going to steal that from you.
dave chappelle
Oh man, man.
Please be my guest.
joe rogan
Maybe I'll go with purple.
Just to mix it up.
dave chappelle
It's all about the ombre.
Because I used to just sit in a room with hard white lights and a fruit plate that I didn't know how long it had been there.
And no music.
And you know, the early days, no frenzy.
Just sitting in there with maybe a joke book.
Just waiting.
Just waiting.
All the time just waiting.
Just waiting.
And at some point you realize...
Well, this has got to be fun.
I can't just be sitting in these rooms looking at these walls.
Who the fuck has to bring a book to work?
It was that.
So I just started sexing it up, just having fun.
And then when you start getting big on the road, You start bringing your friends out and all that shit.
Then it gets really fun.
And you become like a surrogate family.
The longer you stay out together, you learn each other's creature habits.
You find out shit about each other you don't know.
You see what people are made of.
donnell rawlings
I love the road.
We had so much fucking fun.
dave chappelle
Yeah, you would love that Ohio shit.
joe rogan
I wish I could have gone, but that's when I was planning on coming here.
Not doing any stand-up.
donnell rawlings
I had my drone that night.
dave chappelle
Oh, yeah, yeah, yeah.
donnell rawlings
We had my drone out.
I don't even know how to fly my own drone.
One of my friends was flying the drone, and it was late at night.
We was like, yo, get the drone shot.
So we get the drone shots.
And then the drone went up in the air.
It's like about 2 o'clock in the morning, and we thought we lost the drone.
We didn't see no red lights, no blue lights.
It was just God.
We was like, oh, shit.
Nigga, we gotta go find a drone.
We like, we about to get out of here.
We thought we lost the drone.
The drone was supposed to be at the bed and breakfast.
joe rogan
How well can you control those things?
donnell rawlings
Like, the people that know how to drive it, they can control it where they can't see it through, like, measurements and distance and everything.
dave chappelle
These things are good, though.
They had buttons on there, you know, they could track a person or an object.
If you wanted to just follow a car, anything like that.
You remember in LA, the paparazzi started doing all this crazy drone shit.
I'm sure they got you.
The drone guys.
donnell rawlings
We had that drone shot.
dave chappelle
I was drinking coffee.
You hear the buzzing.
Yeah, you hear the shit.
And you know that there's a dude a block away somewhere.
joe rogan
Isn't that weird?
They could kind of find you now with a drone.
donnell rawlings
When we did the drone shot from the place, we thought we lost it.
We was going to go and search.
I was like, get my motherfucking drone, nigga.
Right?
We get ready, get everybody in the car to go find his drone.
We don't see it in the sky nowhere.
All of a sudden, it was like a movie.
We saw these blue lights come up, and we heard the zzzz, and that motherfucker came.
Everybody was like, And that shit came all the way back to hell, son.
dave chappelle
That was a good shot.
donnell rawlings
That was a great shot.
joe rogan
I met the governor of Texas.
I went to the mansion to hang out with him, Governor Abbott.
And I had whiskey and barbecue with him.
And while we're hanging out at his house, a drone comes by.
And hovers in the sky.
dave chappelle
That's the one.
joe rogan
The light goes on and we're watching this drone.
The security guys are trying to figure out where the drone's coming from and who's got the drone.
And it turned out to be like the fire department.
dave chappelle
Really?
joe rogan
The fire department has their own drone.
And they're flying their drone around looking for stuff.
donnell rawlings
That makes a lot of sense, man.
joe rogan
But that's like how you can spot fires.
How they can figure out what's going on.
If there's some sort of a car accident, they could probably send a drone out.
Get video image of it so they know what to expect when they get there.
Makes sense, right?
dave chappelle
There's a new car like that.
It's a drone?
The headlights are drones.
You gotta look this up, man.
donnell rawlings
What is it?
joe rogan
Like the headlights fly away?
What do you mean?
dave chappelle
The headlights are attached to the car, right?
They're on.
If you get out of the car, they pop off and start flying around and make a path of light.
I think that's the thing.
joe rogan
Audi created an autonomous off-roader that uses flying drones to illuminate the road instead of headlights.
dave chappelle
Show Joe the video.
joe rogan
What?
dave chappelle
It's ill as fuck.
joe rogan
Oh my god, they're ahead of the car.
The fucking headlights are ahead of the car.
dave chappelle
It's the illest shit I've ever seen.
joe rogan
That's some Star Wars shit, right?
dave chappelle
Yeah, precision drones.
If you have the key in your pocket, they'll follow you like if you're walking in the woods.
It's crazy.
joe rogan
That thing looks wild.
dave chappelle
It looks like some shit Jamie Foxx drives already.
joe rogan
He already has one of those.
I ran into it at the gas station.
dave chappelle
Jamie Foxx probably already has this.
joe rogan
He has one of those Resvanis.
Isn't that what it's called?
It's like a Resvani tank.
I ran into him at the gas station.
I was like, who the fuck is driving that thing?
Jamie Foxx, what's up?
That thing looks awesome, though.
That Audi?
That's a slick-looking car, too.
dave chappelle
That's crazy.
Somewhere online, there's a video demonstration.
joe rogan
And it's probably gonna be electric, right?
dave chappelle
Yeah.
Is it?
joe rogan
Yeah, everything's electric now.
Look at this!
Look at this shit!
dave chappelle
It's that.
joe rogan
Donnell, look at this!
Look at this!
Look at this!
Watch when it's driving.
donnell rawlings
Oh shit, that's the headlights?
joe rogan
Yes!
The headlights are ahead, making the road bright.
donnell rawlings
Yo, that's some gangster shit right there, son.
joe rogan
They're flying like little UFOs.
That's nuts.
dave chappelle
Could you imagine if you saw that drive by you somewhere?
joe rogan
Yeah.
Be like, oh my god, I think I saw an alien.
donnell rawlings
That's crazy.
joe rogan
That's going to be the future.
Look at that shit.
They fly ahead of you and illuminate the road.
That's bananas.
And you just have to trust them with your little bitch-ass lights.
Soybeans, man!
You have to trust the daddies that are flying around.
That's how the government's going to control you.
donnell rawlings
Man, I want a slice of pizza, man.
joe rogan
Keep you going on their road.
No, no, no.
You don't want to look at that road.
That road's dark.
The drones only go on this road.
Come on.
donnell rawlings
Son, where can I get pizza?
joe rogan
Probably a pizza place.
Find a guest.
donnell rawlings
Joe, come on, man.
You started like this, man.
Why are you doing this to me, man?
joe rogan
We'll find a pizza place for you.
What kind of pizza do you want?
donnell rawlings
Thin crust.
I could get a pizza pizza.
joe rogan
A pizza pizza?
donnell rawlings
A piece of pizza.
joe rogan
A piece of pizza.
Yeah.
dave chappelle
Pizza, pizza.
donnell rawlings
I gotta get some more gauze too, man.
dave chappelle
Let's take five.
joe rogan
We can just end this.
It's already 4.35.
We've been doing this forever.
He and I have been doing this for four and a half hours.
donnell rawlings
I know, man.
He's been disrespecting my gunshot wound.
joe rogan
I didn't.
I told Jamie...
I didn't, right?
Never.
This is not true.
None of this is true.
donnell rawlings
Teamwork is a dream work.
joe rogan
Thanks, Dave.
That was fun.
dave chappelle
Oh, my God.
joe rogan
Next time we'll do it for real.
For real, for real.
Yeah, for sure.
unidentified
100%.
joe rogan
I would love it.
donnell rawlings
Thank you, son.
joe rogan
Donnell, that was fun.
Thank you.
Thanks for the candle.
Thanks for the cream.
Thanks for everything.
donnell rawlings
Black ass bitch!
joe rogan
Thanks for everything.
donnell rawlings
What about my show, RFK Stadium?
joe rogan
RFK Stadium.
donnell rawlings
DC Improv, the traditional Thanksgiving show.
joe rogan
And the date is?
donnell rawlings
November 28th.
And Pixar's Soul comes out Christmas Day on Disney+.
joe rogan
Let's keep people focused on the show.
What, the 28th?
donnell rawlings
Joe, you keep disrespecting me, man.
joe rogan
I want people to come and see you.
I'm trying to find out where the tickets are.
There it is.
There it is.
So Drive-In Comedy at RFK. No, I'm trying to promote your show.
Sorry.
ParkUpDC.com.
So go to ParkUpDC.com.
It's the 28th.
Your traditional.
donnell rawlings
Yes.
That's it.
joe rogan
Thank you, sir.
donnell rawlings
Thank you.
joe rogan
I enjoyed it.
Oh, I love you, too.
I love your dog.
She's awesome.
unidentified
All right.
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