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Oct. 1, 2020 - The Joe Rogan Experience
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Joe Rogan Experience #1544 - Tim Dillon
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jamie vernon
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joe rogan
01:21:09
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tim dillon
01:04:18
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miley cyrus
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unidentified
I'm here with the COVID kid.
tim dillon
COVID kid, baby.
unidentified
No, you're free.
tim dillon
I'm free.
joe rogan
You're COVID free.
tim dillon
Antibodies are negative.
joe rogan
Are you worried?
You're traveling in some risky circumstances.
tim dillon
Yeah, well, a lot of these clubs that you work, they're pretty full.
They're pretty full.
joe rogan
I've been looking at those lines outside your club.
I'm like, how big is this place?
Were you going to socially distance all these people?
tim dillon
It doesn't seem that socially distanced.
unidentified
Not at all!
tim dillon
I don't know, but we also don't know nobody...
Is it airborne?
Can you get it?
unidentified
Yes.
tim dillon
It is airborne.
joe rogan
100%.
tim dillon
Well, that's not great.
joe rogan
No.
You definitely can get it from the air.
Okay.
But here's the thing, man.
This is so politicized.
It's been so politicized.
If you look at the numbers of deaths, the numbers of deaths are way down.
They're talking about the numbers of cases are up.
tim dillon
Right.
joe rogan
But the deaths are way down.
tim dillon
Yeah.
They're much better at treating it.
joe rogan
Yeah, way better.
But also, it's like people are better at taking care of themselves if they're going to go out and do things, too.
They understand most people are aware of vitamin D now.
tim dillon
I take it every day.
5,000 I use.
joe rogan
There you go.
A lot of people are aware of zinc.
A lot of people are aware of vitamin C. And a lot of people are also that are high risk.
They're not going.
tim dillon
Yeah.
I mean, sometimes you look at people in the clubs, like I'll look at some members of my audience, and I'm like, you shouldn't be here.
You're taking way too big of a risk.
joe rogan
For a few ha-has.
tim dillon
Yeah, but I'm happy you bought the ticket, and thanks for coming.
But I'm just looking at them going, I wouldn't be in that chair if I were you.
But you've got to make your own decision.
Maybe you have to.
joe rogan
I think if I was locked up for six months and I couldn't go out, and then one of my favorite comics was in town, I'm like, fuck, let's go out, let's go out, let's go do it.
tim dillon
I've got tickets, Mike, you're coming.
Obviously you want to avoid getting it, but there's a level of fatalism where you have to say, listen.
You know, there's no guarantee you could walk out of your house and encounter any number of things that could kill you.
joe rogan
Well, Florida just said, fuck it.
They just said, fuck it.
We're opening up.
tim dillon
Full capacity.
joe rogan
Everything.
Concerts.
Everything.
You could do, like, arenas.
tim dillon
They weren't even closed down for that long.
Not that long.
They closed down for a few weeks.
joe rogan
Long enough.
tim dillon
Yeah.
They were like, that's enough.
Everyone sobered up.
That was just a hangover.
Everybody got sober in Florida.
They sobered up and went, let's get back at it.
joe rogan
Disney World's been open forever.
Disneyland in LA is still closed.
They're about to go bankrupt.
tim dillon
Yeah.
joe rogan
Disney World, they're like, come on in, wear a mask.
I don't give a fuck.
tim dillon
Yeah, who cares?
joe rogan
They don't care.
tim dillon
Yeah, just come in, be careful.
joe rogan
Don't get eaten by an alligator.
tim dillon
Yeah.
joe rogan
You might get eaten by an alligator, or you might get a cough.
tim dillon
Right, or you might get a cold.
Yeah, it seems like we're trending in the direction of things opening up.
joe rogan
Listen, you gotta give people freedom.
The government was never supposed to have the ability to tell you what you can and can't do in terms of what's risky.
The argument against that is that you're putting other people in danger.
At this point in time, we're six months into this fucking thing.
You gotta peel the band-aid off.
You gotta do something.
You can't just allow people to go bankrupt and never be able to work.
tim dillon
Well, it's also like Thomas Sowell, the economist, said, he's like, one of my favorite quotes, he goes, there's no solutions, there's only trade-offs.
So it's a trade-off, right?
So if you tell everyone, yes, you might keep some people healthy, but at what level of damage to the economy, to people's livelihoods, suicide is up, child abuse is up, there's all kinds of problems that come from a lockdown.
joe rogan
Yeah, it's way up.
Suicide's way up.
tim dillon
That's crazy.
joe rogan
Yeah, suicide, child abuse.
tim dillon
And that shocked me that child abuse was up because I was like, who?
I thought child abuse was like a fixed thing, meaning if you hit your kids, you just hit your kids.
joe rogan
No, I think people react to, like, heavy stress.
tim dillon
Right.
joe rogan
I mean, how many people are just broke and don't know what to do and their kids won't shut the fuck up?
tim dillon
And they just gotta smack them.
unidentified
Yeah.
joe rogan
I mean, it's terrible.
tim dillon
It's very sad.
joe rogan
It's the saddest fucking time ever because people are losing their jobs and they're losing their livelihoods and they didn't do anything wrong.
tim dillon
Right.
joe rogan
It's the only time.
tim dillon
Nobody's addressing that.
joe rogan
Right.
tim dillon
Like, nobody's addressing that.
And then there's a lot of people...
You know, celebrities and people that have a lot of money that are shaming people who want to go back to work.
And they're saying that these people just want to go out and party and have fun.
And it's like, no, they need to earn money.
joe rogan
Yeah, well, that's shaming people that want to do shows.
I've seen that.
Right, yeah.
tim dillon
It's crazy.
joe rogan
They're fools.
They're people with money.
And listen, people can do almost anything that puts them at risk.
And freely, right?
You can BMX bike.
You can fucking bungee jump.
You could go...
You could sail...
tim dillon
You could eat anything you want?
joe rogan
Yeah, you could sail in the ocean.
You could fucking...
You could hand glide.
You could do all these different things that are super dangerous.
You could eat anything you want.
You could get drunk all the time, kill your liver.
Right.
The idea that this shouldn't be something that you should be able to try or do because you're going to put other people at risk...
Boy, that gets real sketchy.
That gets real sketchy because the people that are at risk, they know they're at risk.
It's not like you're sneaking up on them.
It's one thing if you have a kid.
This is where it gets dangerous.
If you have a 21-year-old kid who parties all the time and then you're 60 and your kid comes home and he gives it to you and you die.
That's real.
That's real.
If you live with your fucking parents or you live with your grandparents, yeah, don't do anything high risk, you fucking asshole.
tim dillon
Yeah.
joe rogan
But if you're like a regular person who lives by themselves or lives with some friends and you want to be able to go out and you're willing to take the risk, You should be able to.
You should be able to.
unidentified
Yeah.
tim dillon
People need to make money.
joe rogan
Well, the government's not supposed to be able to have that kind of power over you.
unidentified
Right.
joe rogan
And once they have it, it's very difficult for them to let it go.
unidentified
Yeah.
tim dillon
Well, we saw it after 9-11, right?
After 9-11, the government took a lot of power, supposedly for very good, virtuous reasons of keeping America safe and protecting everybody.
And a lot of those powers, they never let them go.
joe rogan
Are we going to go right into conspiracies?
tim dillon
They never gave them back.
No, I just thought it was a nice segue.
joe rogan
Do you have your Q t-shirt?
tim dillon
I just thought it was a nice segue.
That's all.
I just thought we could bring up 9-11 really quick.
Just a nice route to, you know, the underground military bases.
But I mean, it's true.
They have a lot of power and they don't give it back.
And none of the powers they get, they don't give them back.
They don't go, oh, the disease is over.
Now we're going to, you know, contact tracing.
It sounds great, right?
Somebody, oh, it doesn't even sound great.
But the idea of it is like, if you're in contact with people, they trace who you were in contact with because of COVID. They're going to do that for other reasons and you're not going to like it.
They're going to use that technology to trace people that are considered antisocial personality disorder or whatever it is.
They don't like what you posted on Facebook.
I mean, that's coming.
joe rogan
But what if you get injured?
What if you hurt your back and they know that they put you on pills?
tim dillon
Right.
joe rogan
And then they say, hey, you driving, Tim?
tim dillon
What's going on?
joe rogan
Tim, you're driving?
tim dillon
Right.
joe rogan
Your back's hurt and you're on the pills.
Are you driving on pills?
unidentified
Yeah.
joe rogan
Or...
Whatever the fuck it is.
If there's someone...
Look, Snowden talked about how people could just read your emails, right?
unidentified
Right.
joe rogan
Well, what's to stop someone from tracing you?
Say you have some political disagreement with some guy who's in office, but you also cheat on your wife.
Right.
And they go, look, Tim's going over to this fucking lady's house and slipping out of the old fucking schlazoo.
tim dillon
Right.
It's a huge problem.
unidentified
Yeah.
joe rogan
It's a problem.
tim dillon
That nobody, like we've all resigned ourselves to the fact that it's happening and we just go, eh.
joe rogan
Right.
tim dillon
We just shrug.
joe rogan
Well, we're busy.
tim dillon
Yeah.
joe rogan
That's how we feel about a lot of things.
unidentified
It's true.
joe rogan
There's too much to think about.
Like that's how it is with the NSA, you know, the mass surveillance.
I mean, people just sort of go, well, what are you going to do?
tim dillon
What are you going to do?
joe rogan
Yeah.
tim dillon
Most people are like, you know, my favorite, and I've said it too.
It's like, they're like, if you want to surveil me, doing nothing.
You know?
Everybody's like, hey, surveil me.
I get it.
I've made jokes like that.
But I think when you look at tech and how much power the tech has acquired over the last five years, for example.
joe rogan
Have you watched The Social Dilemma?
tim dillon
I did.
joe rogan
Holy fuck.
tim dillon
I did.
Yeah.
I mean, I thought a lot of that was pretty well-known before it, though, right?
joe rogan
It's well-known to you.
tim dillon
Okay.
joe rogan
But I think for people who don't really pay attention to it...
See, here's the difference between you and I and the regular folks.
tim dillon
Right.
unidentified
Right.
joe rogan
People have a real job.
Say if you work for Microsoft, your fucking job all day is thinking about Microsoft.
You have real important shit.
You have bottom lines.
You have to bump up.
You have goals to meet.
You have meetings.
You have to get together.
They have things to think of.
We're just fucking off all day.
tim dillon
Yeah.
Yeah, no, that is a good point.
We don't...
Well, and part of our job is to kind of fuck off.
Yes.
unidentified
Right?
tim dillon
Part of our job is to figure out what's funny out there.
joe rogan
Right.
tim dillon
And you can't do that by really focusing on one thing.
You have to just go all over the place.
joe rogan
Right.
tim dillon
But I think The Social Dilemma, when I watched it, I was like...
Yeah, it's the thing with social media is it's not designed to work well.
Like, it's designed to work how it's working, right?
I mean, that was maybe the biggest thing about social dilemma.
It's like, this is designed to work this way.
You should be fighting.
The negativity spreads very quickly.
People are going to go at each other's throats.
You're fighting with family members.
I watch family members fight each other that don't even talk in real life.
Like they wouldn't even know each other existed.
They'd find each other and fight and they would never see each other.
They would maybe do it once at a reunion every three years.
But what's the answer?
Is the answer to just log off?
That seems to be the only answer.
joe rogan
Logging off is not the worst idea.
tim dillon
Right.
joe rogan
I think, you know, I was in the woods recently.
I was in Utah hunting and no service for three days and it was great.
tim dillon
Do you feel a high?
unidentified
Feel better.
tim dillon
People say like you feel a high the day, like a day of no phone.
They say you feel like you get up the next day.
You're noticing birds.
You notice things.
joe rogan
You feel better.
If you can't check your phone all the time because it doesn't work, you don't check your phone.
What, are you going to look at your pictures over and over again?
You're not.
You want interaction.
That's what you want to check, likes or comments.
tim dillon
That dopamine hit.
joe rogan
I don't read comments and I don't check likes.
I have a very strict policy and it's made me very happy.
But even that, I look at other people's shit.
So I would go to look at your page.
I would laugh at your stuff.
And I'd go read your comments.
I'd go, this guy's a piece of shit.
I would read assholes being mean.
Even though it's not about me, it has nothing to do with me, I would still occasionally run into things that bothered me or run into behavior that annoyed me.
And I'm like, why am I focusing on some person that doesn't even have a real name?
tim dillon
Their name is like, you know, fucking A plus Y. I stopped the comments when one of them said that...
We think Whitney Cummings is Tim Dillon's CIA handler.
I said, I'm going to check out now.
This is Jesus.
Yeah, they were like, he's not talking about Obamagate on his show.
It's because Whitney Cummings is telling him not to.
I'm like, Whitney Cummings, I love her to death.
I don't think she knows what Obamagate is.
And I have mentioned it a few times.
It was just so funny.
I started laughing, but I'm like, because it's people's mental illness.
You're just living in people's very dysfunctional minds.
joe rogan
Well, there's people I know, that I know, not good friends, but I know pretty casually, that will tell me that they think the CIA talks to me about who I can have on the show.
Because I've had Mike Baker on, the guy who used to be in the CIA. He's still in.
Most likely.
I even joked with him about it.
But my interaction with him is about what we talk about on the podcast, and then afterwards we talk about fishing as kids.
tim dillon
That's our conversation.
He doesn't bring you into a room and threaten you.
joe rogan
There's none of that.
tim dillon
The CIA doesn't have a podcasting division.
They're not like, who's on Marin this week?
They're not booking podcasts.
joe rogan
I bet they do now.
tim dillon
That's interesting.
They might.
joe rogan
I bet they do now.
I bet they didn't before we came around.
tim dillon
But now they might?
joe rogan
I would imagine.
They understand.
tim dillon
They're big in movies.
They're big in movies.
That's huge.
Especially movies that are made about Zero Dark Thirty, things like that, about the torture of Catherine Bigelow.
They try to justify their policies through popular culture all the time.
joe rogan
Oh yeah, it's propaganda.
tim dillon
Yeah, but I just think it's hilarious the idea that they have to now check who's on a podcast.
joe rogan
Yeah, I don't know if it's the CIA. I mean, I don't know who's doing that, but it's someone in government most certainly has relationships with Hollywood.
And also, like, the people in Hollywood, if the CIA calls you up and you're doing a movie like Zero Dark Thirty, and they go, we'd like to talk to you about this, like, Fuck yeah.
We're going to talk to the CIA. We're going to talk to the SEALs.
We're going to talk to the NSA. You want to know.
tim dillon
Yeah, you want to know, but then they can also feed you whatever information they want.
joe rogan
For sure, there's that.
For sure, that's happened.
For sure, there's been propaganda that's been spilled through Hollywood.
There's no doubt about it.
I just think they missed the boat on this podcast thing.
They didn't know it was coming.
tim dillon
They should have gotten involved.
They should have gotten involved.
They need to have a few undercover CIA agents.
Doing a podcast out of their Brooklyn apartment.
joe rogan
The thing is you wouldn't be good.
tim dillon
And making millions.
joe rogan
You have to have mental illness.
tim dillon
You have to be a little sick.
When I think of how many hours I've talked for, how many hours you've talked for, there's something wrong.
joe rogan
Something wrong.
tim dillon
Something very wrong.
joe rogan
For sure.
tim dillon
Yeah.
joe rogan
Yeah.
And people need to realize that.
Like, if you take my opinion seriously, like, listen to me.
I don't even take my opinion seriously.
What are you listening to me for?
tim dillon
Right.
joe rogan
Half the time, I'm just thinking out loud.
Right.
Like, literally, maybe 40% of the things that I say on this podcast, I don't know what I'm saying when I'm saying it.
Right.
I'm just thinking out loud.
unidentified
Right.
tim dillon
And that's the whole art form of doing this, because you have to explore every possibility.
unidentified
Yeah.
joe rogan
And sometimes I have a thought that's very well thought out.
Right.
Where it's like, no, I've thought about this for a while, and this is why I believe this.
And there's a difference.
You'll hear things that I say that are really clear.
I know what I'm saying.
I know what I'm talking.
And then you hear rambling nonsense, too.
And that's just how it goes.
If you're going to think out loud, you're going to have both of those things.
tim dillon
Why do you think people get so angry at the idea of that?
People get very angry at the idea of just being open to the idea of being wrong.
People get angry and they're like, every word out of your mouth has to be absolutely what you want it to be.
It's weird to me.
joe rogan
Because we're in a gotcha soundbite culture, right?
So one of the ways they'll digest your show or my show is someone will put a clip up, look what this piece of shit Tim Dillon said, and it'll have something that you said completely out of context in a two and a half hour rant where you're just like talking...
Nonsense about JFK still being alive.
tim dillon
Right, or whatever it is.
I end my live show every show I've been doing right now by saying, thanks for having me, everybody.
Ruth Bader Ginsburg is burning in hell.
And that's fun, because to me, I'm like, all I've seen is praise lavished upon her, and deservedly so, right?
But the funny angle to me is that she's actually burning in hell.
unidentified
Right.
tim dillon
And goodnight.
But if you take that and you don't understand that that's a funny thing to say, and that there is no hell probably, and I don't know who's there, but that's the funny angle to say.
joe rogan
Of course.
One of the things that Louis C.K. said when he was talking about comedy material and getting in trouble for material...
He's like, comedy is often saying things that you're not supposed to say.
tim dillon
Right.
joe rogan
Like, that's why you say it, because everyone knows you're not supposed to say it, and then you go and say it, and like, oh my god, and that's what's funny.
tim dillon
Yes.
joe rogan
The idea that you're holding people to those thoughts as if this is like an affidavit, and they've signed this, and they've worked it out with lawyers, and this is my position, and this is where I stand.
No, you're literally talking off the cuff, saying something preposterous like, Ruth Bader Ginsburg It's the unexpected.
tim dillon
It's the crazy just out there say the most insane thing you can.
joe rogan
Well, the thing about it today though is everyone is looking to catch people saying things you shouldn't say and getting mad at you and then they want to silence you.
tim dillon
Right.
joe rogan
They want to stop you from saying the things that you shouldn't be saying.
tim dillon
What happened to curiosity?
You know, to me it's like a lot of this is the death of curiosity.
Right?
Because I grew up and I listened to all these different radio shows.
I would listen to AM talk radio, guys like Bob Grant and Rush Limbaugh.
joe rogan
Oh yeah, I remember Bob Grant.
tim dillon
Yeah, Bob Grant.
He used to go, get off my phone, you fake phony fraud.
And he would just hang up on people.
He would fight with people.
Guys would call him.
It was always like the same guy.
He was like, Bob, this is Tony from Seaside Heights.
unidentified
And he would go, you know, I think you're the Clintons.
tim dillon
I think you'd be a little lighter.
And Bob would go, will you shut up?
And they would just fight all day.
And I didn't know if the guy was right or if he was wrong.
I just knew what was happening was hilarious and interesting.
And I was curious about what other people in the world – I was a young kid being driven around by my parents.
But I'm like – I was curious about what other people in the world thought, what they were saying.
Because when you listen to those talk radio shows, you're in a car, you're driving around, and you hear some psychopath that's calling Bob Grant.
Like they used to say to Bob Grant, they'd be like, you know, you really disappointed me.
And Bob Grant would go, do you know me?
Do you have any knowledge of who I am?
Like, I disappointed you.
And then you would try to look at the cars and be like, I wonder what psychopath went home and called the guy, you know?
So I was just curious.
Now it seems like there's this death of curiosity where no one is curious about what anyone else is thinking unless it happens to be what they're thinking.
joe rogan
It has to coincide exactly with how you view the world.
So uninteresting.
It's part of it is social media and part of it is Trump.
Trump has, his brand of being president, his way of doing it, has polarized people so hard that they will do anything and everything they can to keep him from being president again, from being president a second term.
And they're forcing compliance.
You have to comply with our view of what's going on in the world.
I find it fascinating just going through my Instagram feed and looking at people who are Trump supporters and Trump haters and looking at their perspectives.
tim dillon
Right.
joe rogan
And looking at this fucking giant Grand Canyon-like divide.
tim dillon
And my favorite thing is vote.
Tell everyone to vote.
That's what everyone does now.
I did a whole podcast episode this week.
I go, I'm not telling you to vote.
It's not my job.
Vote or don't vote.
It's like, I don't tell you to eat your vegetables.
I don't tell you to jog.
I don't tell you to do anything.
joe rogan
I'm not telling you have to meditate.
tim dillon
Hey, raise your kids.
You spend time with your kids?
Are you spending time with your son?
He's in college.
You and him don't talk.
Like, what in God's name?
Like, you walk into a nightclub to see me.
I say, Ruth Burt of Ginsburg's burning in hell.
Then I turn around and go, everyone make sure to have a voting plan.
joe rogan
Well, what's happened is there's a lot of these fucking idiots that aren't getting any attention.
And we've found out why they're in show business.
They're not just in show business to create.
They're not just in show business to hone their craft and to be good as an actor or be good as a comic.
They want attention.
And when there's no attention to be had on stage, they seek it out on Twitter.
And they seek it out by being correct about things.
Some people are using Twitter and they're just hilarious.
tim dillon
Right.
joe rogan
They're just saying ridiculous shit.
tim dillon
Very funny.
joe rogan
The same thing with Instagram.
Like, Lil Duvall is my favorite.
tim dillon
Yeah, he's great.
joe rogan
Because it never gets political, never gets serious.
unidentified
Right.
joe rogan
Everything's just having a good time.
unidentified
Yeah.
joe rogan
Occasionally talking about pussy.
tim dillon
Right, right.
joe rogan
That's mostly what he does.
tim dillon
Yeah.
joe rogan
But some people, they lack that self-awareness, and all they want is likes, right?
So they try to figure out, what can I say to get people thinking that I'm really progressive and really open-minded, and what can I say that really hits the tone and gets a lot of juicy likes?
I'd like to hit about 2,000 likes on this one.
tim dillon
It's so weird, because to me, social media is so fun, because the people that are really the best at it are 15, right?
They're the winners.
The TikTok kids are the winners.
The D'Amelio girls have like 80 million.
They're making money.
They're making real money.
joe rogan
Like millions of dollars, more than their parents.
tim dillon
And they're doing this.
joe rogan
My fucking 12 year old walks around the house all day.
tim dillon
So what are we all even trying to do?
Your take is not half of them going like this.
So what are we doing?
Your numbers are not...
So I look at it like it's a joke.
Social media should be a joke because it is a joke.
Because the people that are really monetizing it, like a lot of those people, they're 16-year-olds and they're dancing around and it's like, and it's unserious.
It's a silly thing.
joe rogan
The accumulation of time during the day, right?
If you look at people's phones, I'd love to grab Alyssa Milano's phone and go, eight hours!
tim dillon
Eight hours, you're on your phone?
Eight hours?
joe rogan
How many of these people are interacting with other human beings for eight hours a day?
tim dillon
Yeah, very few.
joe rogan
Very few.
And certainly not having meaningful conversations.
What they're doing is they're seeking approval through others online in this very fake, hollow, shallow way.
And that's what Twitter is.
It's arguing with people.
But some people use it well.
There's journalists that use it well.
There's people that find interesting things to discuss.
Some people pull it off.
But it's not many.
tim dillon
Yeah, I'm wondering if the answer is just abstinence, because I don't think people can handle this, right?
joe rogan
That's what Ari found out.
tim dillon
Yeah, I think that you might have to just disconnect.
And I wonder if subsequent generations will.
Like, they'll just go, we saw what happened in 2020. And this stuff almost led to a civil war and craziness.
We don't want any part of it.
joe rogan
Too many people like it.
Too many people like it for everybody to jump off, but I think enough people are going to understand because of documentaries like The Social Dilemma and conversations that they have with each other about it, where they're going to check out.
What is that?
The light phone?
Is that what it's called?
It's a black and white phone.
All you can do is text and make phone calls off of it.
It's like a small So it doesn't give you the vivid imagery of an iPhone.
You can't watch YouTube videos on it.
Just call 911. But if you want to text me, you can text me.
And if you want to call me, you can call me.
And that's all it does.
tim dillon
So no data.
joe rogan
Is that what it's called?
The light phone?
Yeah, look at this thing.
See, this is for people that realize they're junkies.
And they're like, oh, I'm a junkie.
tim dillon
It's kind of embarrassing, though, that you go, I can't control myself.
I need a light phone.
joe rogan
It is and it isn't, though, man.
Because there's something to be said for this.
There's something really good to be said for this.
Yeah, it's a phone, an alarm.
Oh, you can play music on it.
You can get a taxi.
Taxi?
Where do you live?
You live in Bangladesh?
tim dillon
Soon, light phone's going to sneak in a messaging feature.
Light phone's going to start to creep in.
joe rogan
No, no, no, no.
I'm amazed that it has music on it, though.
I am shocked by that.
The light phone can call, text, or set alarms out of the box.
What's up, Jamie?
jamie vernon
You might be right.
Some parent will buy this for the kid and be like, you can have a phone, but all you can have is a light phone, and then kids will hack it.
joe rogan
Oh, my God.
tim dillon
It's coming.
No, it's coming.
By the way, they should have a fight phone where the only thing on it is Twitter.
You can't call anyone.
You can't text.
Just have a fight phone.
It's just Twitter and Facebook, and you can't call 911 if you get hit by a car.
joe rogan
Optional tech available includes a calculator, a simple music player, and a podcast, too.
Well, you fucked up there with the podcast.
tim dillon
Big problem.
joe rogan
Here's an animation of some of the interfaces or future tools that are still in development.
Not all these tools are yet available.
You know, I know friends who have taken Twitter and Instagram and Sam Harris deleted Instagram off his phone a long time ago.
He told me, he goes, I'm infinitely happier without it on my phone.
Because he would get in arguments with people on Instagram.
Oh, excuse me, Twitter.
And I would text him and be like, what the fuck are you doing, man?
You're a neuroscientist.
You're brilliant.
Why are you fighting with people online?
tim dillon
Why are you fighting with these idiots?
joe rogan
But it's like you get wrapped up in people saying disparaging things about you.
tim dillon
Yeah, you're being defamed and you're like, I should.
joe rogan
You don't have to read it.
You don't have to read it.
Keep moving.
tim dillon
You're big with that.
You don't get into the fray when people say nonsense about you.
joe rogan
There's too many people saying nonsense about me.
What am I going to do?
Spend my whole day doing that?
tim dillon
Right.
Because it would take hours and hours.
unidentified
Yeah.
joe rogan
And that's how you wind up not being productive.
unidentified
Right.
tim dillon
You want to be successful?
joe rogan
You want to get things done?
You can't be arguing with people about who you are.
tim dillon
Right.
joe rogan
Do you know who you are?
If you know who you are, you can't argue with people about who you are.
Right.
Makes sense.
If people want to bring up mistakes you've made 10 years ago or 5 years ago, like, okay.
Right.
tim dillon
Great.
joe rogan
Good luck with that.
Try to diminish me.
It's a silly way to treat people.
I wouldn't do it to other people.
I don't want them to do it to me.
But I don't want to argue with you either.
If you want to talk in person, if people want to talk in person, that's how people work things out.
And most of the time when you do that, you wind up hugging or laughing.
tim dillon
Yeah, it's fine.
joe rogan
Most people are cool.
It's a shit way to communicate.
tim dillon
It's bad.
I'll see people that are fighting on Facebook and I'm like, I know you have each other's numbers.
unidentified
Right.
joe rogan
And also, fuck the number.
If you saw each other in person, I guarantee you'd just talk.
Right.
Nine times out of ten.
tim dillon
Right.
joe rogan
You would just talk.
unidentified
Right.
joe rogan
You would just be like, well, I think he's this and that.
Well, maybe.
I mean, I don't know.
tim dillon
Right.
joe rogan
Like, you'd work it out.
tim dillon
Right.
unidentified
Right.
tim dillon
It's not that wall there that's between you on social media.
joe rogan
It's also like when someone's writing something and you're not there in front of them, they're just writing it and then you have to read it and then you write something back.
We have an amazing way to communicate.
It involves looking at each other, it involves being near each other, it involves registering when you say something mean and it bothers a person.
All that stuff's out the window when you're just texting.
Or when you're tweeting.
Tweeting's even worse, right?
Because then the whole world's seeing it.
And you know that someone's saying something mean about you and other people are reading it.
This must be real.
Other people can read it.
It's a terrible way to communicate.
tim dillon
It's the worst.
It's probably the worst way in history we've ever had to have a productive conversation.
joe rogan
And there are so many people that are mentally ill because of it.
Mentally ill.
tim dillon
Do you think it exacerbated something?
joe rogan
A hundred percent.
A hundred percent.
And a lot of them are these fucking actors and actresses.
They're not getting any attention.
tim dillon
It's narcissism run wild and there's no puncturing it with any type of objective reality or facts.
They're creating their own world to live in.
Does this get worse though?
I think it kind of gets worse.
I think it heads to a kind of dystopian place where everybody lives in their own reality.
We're seeing that right now and it just seems to be inevitable to a degree.
joe rogan
The real fear is that it's going to get more immersive.
The real fear is that the solution will be even worse than this.
tim dillon
And it's going to be like in your head, chip in the head.
joe rogan
Yeah, some Neuralink type shit that the next level of this interaction, the next level of technology is going to be way more immersive.
That's what I'm worried about.
I'm worried it's not going to be something you escape from.
Like you can escape, like you just leave your phone there.
tim dillon
If that phone goes into your body, you're not escaping.
joe rogan
Yeah, you just hit the switch, Tim.
Just hit the switch.
Don't turn it on when you pee.
Don't check your messages while you're peeing.
Just let me see how people feel about it.
Everyone's mad!
tim dillon
Everyone hates me!
joe rogan
All the Megan McCain routine!
tim dillon
I gotta be honest with you, it sounds so convenient, the chip, already, because I lose my phone a lot.
So I'm like, already, I could just get a chip and then just kind of...
Click it on, and I will just...
It's like a chip.
What are you worried about?
joe rogan
You're a strong man.
tim dillon
Yeah, you can handle it.
unidentified
What are you worried?
joe rogan
Sticks and stones can hurt your bones?
tim dillon
I know.
Maybe we should all embrace it.
Maybe we should just go that route.
Maybe there is no fight anymore.
Maybe we're not spending enough time on Twitter.
joe rogan
Right, just be a cunt 24 hours a day.
tim dillon
Just lay in a spot and tweet.
joe rogan
Go to war.
tim dillon
Just go to war.
Just fire off...
Tweets all day, every day.
Fight with people you don't know.
Just quote people and go, bad take.
Nope.
I love that.
You just quote tweet and go, nope.
Fuck off.
Bad take.
Be better.
joe rogan
Be better is my favorite.
tim dillon
Be better.
Just keep going!
joe rogan
Just all the passive-aggressive shit that you could say, possibly.
tim dillon
Yeah, you almost wonder, is it just, do you just jump in hard?
And then you have, like, Facebook, which is, to me, the funniest one because it is truly a graveyard.
It's elderly people screaming out into the void, into nothingness.
joe rogan
Writing long, multiple paragraph posts.
tim dillon
It's purgatory for people that are, like, on their deathbed.
They're in the latter years of their life.
Their dog just died.
They've got a picture of their dead dog on Facebook.
They're saying, Max took his last nap.
And then they're writing three paragraphs about Kamala Harris.
unidentified
It's like, this is crazy.
tim dillon
And then other people are fighting with them.
And it's really sick.
But I like it.
I enjoy it.
I do a thread sometimes.
Instead of a Netflix movie, sometimes I'll just do a 300-comment thread.
Really?
Yeah, just read it.
I'll just read it.
I'll just go, wow.
unidentified
Wow.
tim dillon
Interesting.
You know, some people are surprisingly smart.
Some people are so out there.
Some people that used to sell me cocaine are now big into family values.
unidentified
Really?
tim dillon
So I love that.
Yeah, a lot of my ex-coke dealers are now cute people.
unidentified
Okay.
tim dillon
So they're like, save the children.
I'm like, you didn't raise your children.
You sold me cocaine.
I was a child.
I was doing it when I was in my teens.
And now you're like, we need to save the children in the tunnels.
I'm like, what?
So it's fun to track the progression of people through those sites.
joe rogan
There's enough real child trafficking where those people get positive reinforcement of their ideas.
We were talking about recently, Jamie, those 35 people that were saved in Georgia.
tim dillon
As wrong as they are, they're also right.
That's the thing about the Q people.
As wrong as they are, they're also right in certain instances.
Human trafficking is a massive problem.
joe rogan
It's a real problem.
tim dillon
And there have been massive cover-ups with our government and many other governments.
And we're in the midst of one right now.
joe rogan
Today, there's more slavery today than when we had slavery in the United States.
25 missing and endangered kids rescued in Ohio over two weeks.
U.S. Marshals located dozens of missing children between the ages of 13 and 18 in a mission called Operation Safety Net.
The children found in Cleveland East Cleveland, Akron, Mansfield, what is that?
Euclid, Willoughby, and even Miami, Florida.
Wow.
tim dillon
So right there, it's an operation.
That's a trafficking operation.
joe rogan
It's real.
tim dillon
Yeah, it's absolutely real.
unidentified
That is real.
joe rogan
And it's particularly real when you can get kids that are orphans.
tim dillon
Fall through the cracks.
joe rogan
Foster kids.
tim dillon
Yeah, and the government, I mean, this is what nobody really wants to admit, that the United States government, at all levels, has in many ways, like...
Been either a kind of, I won't say a sponsor of this on the whole, but there's elements of the CIA that have allowed things like this to happen in order to get information on people.
joe rogan
Well, that was the idea about the Epstein thing.
tim dillon
Absolutely it was.
joe rogan
Was that they let him do that so that they would have something over these people.
tim dillon
And that is sick beyond human comprehension and most people don't want to really admit that's happening.
And when I think, like a lot of the cute people found that stuff out, then their brains melted and they were like, oh, but David Spade's eating kids.
It's like, that's not it.
That's not where it goes.
What it is, is that you have a lot of people that are Getting educated overnight, and their minds cannot handle the amount of information, much of it very disturbing.
jamie vernon
Remember last week when you asked, that was the first time that that happened, the Epstein-style story, and I mentioned that.
joe rogan
Which Epstein-style story?
jamie vernon
I think you said something like, this has never happened before, like senators.
joe rogan
Oh, that's right, and then you found that other story.
jamie vernon
He's the one I learned about it from.
joe rogan
Uh-huh.
tim dillon
Yeah, well, no, this happened before.
It happened in Omaha, Nebraska.
It was called the Franklin Scandal.
A lot of people know about it.
A guy named Nick Bryant wrote a book about it, and there was an interstate pedophile network that was trafficking kids to wealthy and powerful people, many of them in the government.
I mean, there's a market.
There's money here.
jamie vernon
That's separate from North Fox Island.
tim dillon
North Fox Island also.
I mean, there's many, many.
jamie vernon
He knows a lot of them.
tim dillon
I had some guys on the podcast that blew my mind.
I was a conspiracy guy and I had no idea that this was going on, but a lot of it is blackmail and a lot of it is people allowing the worst things imaginable to happen to children in order to gain leverage on other people.
That's what was happening with Epstein.
That's what was happening with Franklin.
joe rogan
But it's also people that have that hunger.
They have this appetite for that shit.
tim dillon
Of course.
They're sick, sadistic pedophiles.
And then some group of people call it an intelligence agency or whoever.
Whoever wants leverage, whoever wants power is using this as a means to obtain it.
joe rogan
Yeah.
tim dillon
So even though the Q people are – because they're saying like, well, everyone in Hollywood has been executed and other clones.
I mean it's like – it's kind of funny.
It's kind of funny a little bit.
They're really – JFK Jr. is alive.
There's some real wild stuff.
But the core premise, which is that human trafficking is a horrible, insidious thing that is connected to many high-powered people, isn't necessarily wrong.
joe rogan
Right.
No, it's not.
It's not wrong.
And there's a lot of evidence throughout history.
That's why, you know, that Pizzagate shit turned out to be nonsense.
tim dillon
But they're creepy.
And that art is creepy.
joe rogan
It's not just that the art is creepy.
tim dillon
Yeah.
joe rogan
It's that...
Do you remember when Breitbart wrote a tweet about...
tim dillon
John Podesta.
joe rogan
Yeah.
tim dillon
And he said, it's something to the degree of, when will it come out that John Podesta is protecting sexual predators or something like that?
I forget the tweet.
Jamie could find it.
joe rogan
It was along the lines of that.
It was almost like that he was helping them.
Right.
Enabling...
tim dillon
Correct.
Enabling, yes.
And I forget, yeah.
joe rogan
I mean...
There have been people like that in high levels of government and in leadership.
tim dillon
There it is.
joe rogan
Now, 2011, February 4th.
tim dillon
He died shortly after that.
joe rogan
Yeah, he didn't die long after that.
unidentified
Not long.
joe rogan
But he also was unhealthy and crazy.
He was kind of crazy too, right?
tim dillon
I don't know much about him, but I'm sure he was a little wild.
I mean, to get into that business, you have to be, right?
joe rogan
I would imagine...
tim dillon
I mean, he was a guy that did a lot of stunts.
He was very incendiary.
He made a name for himself and made a name for his company.
joe rogan
That's the the problem with those guys is yeah, like whenever someone goes way out of their way to do stunts and to do things It's like yeah, and then something else if you're involved in something and then it's legitimate now I have to go right what is it?
that The guy, what the fuck is his name?
That guy that's always doing the undercover shit.
tim dillon
James O'Keefe.
joe rogan
Yeah, James O'Keefe.
He's got a new one now about Ilhan Omar.
tim dillon
The ballots in the car.
joe rogan
Yeah, the ballots in the car.
And he's got these guys saying, look at all these ballots, look at all these ballots.
But you gotta go with that guy.
You gotta go, okay.
There was some shit with Roy Moore where they were trying to get girls to say that he knocked them up.
There was a lot of sting shit.
tim dillon
It's like anybody that you know he's coming to this with a strong agenda.
joe rogan
But then he also catches shit that's real.
Like he caught those people on Twitter.
The Twitter executives talking about how they shadow ban people.
Talking about how they ban conservatives or how they block conservatives.
That's all.
tim dillon
Right.
joe rogan
Absolutely.
So it's like, whenever someone can't be straight with you, and they have little tricks, and they have stunts, whenever that, you go...
tim dillon
I think the argument that those guys make is that to get any attention in the climate that we're in, It's almost impossible to do it with like a sober, reasoned, rational approach.
You have to, because it's the circus.
They're competing with Trump.
They're competing with anybody.
They're competing for oxygen with some of the most entertaining president in history.
joe rogan
By far.
tim dillon
By far, right?
So anything you do now has to be on that level of spectacle.
to get any type of attention.
You look at the intellectuals that were, whether they were left-wing or right-wing from 30 or 40 years ago, they're appalled at the people now who are carrying their message.
But the people now who are carrying their message are like, we're existing in the climate that we're in now.
joe rogan
What is the general consensus?
Like, how is the media treating this Ilhan Omar thing?
Am I saying her name right?
Ilhan?
tim dillon
I mean, look at me.
Do you think I know how to pronounce Ilhan Omar's name?
jamie vernon
When I looked today, because I saw it yesterday, the initial response I saw was probably more from liberal sides for being like, this is just to fog the conversation because of all the tax stuff that just came out.
Take this with a grain of salt because of his history.
joe rogan
Yeah, but it takes time to gather up that kind of information.
I don't buy that it's just when the tax stuff came out because that seems like something they've been working on for a while.
tim dillon
He's got absentee ballots in the car.
joe rogan
Yeah.
tim dillon
Just filling them out.
People fill them out.
Is that how it works?
joe rogan
Here's the thing.
If that's not real and this turns out to be bullshit, there should be a punishment for that.
tim dillon
Absolutely.
joe rogan
Because you are absolutely manipulating people.
tim dillon
Remember the kid, Jacob Wool, who got banned on Twitter?
This guy would just set up these blatantly fake things.
Like they tried to get, I forget, maybe Robert Mueller or somebody, they tried to get somebody accused of sexual assault.
He would do these stunts all the time.
This kid, Jacob Wool.
And he's a fun young guy from Orange County.
He's a fun guy.
And he would just go on Twitter and try to...
He would do fake press conference, Joe.
They would call the whole media and they would go, we're about to reveal something spectacular and crazy.
And none of it was ever true.
And I mean, he would just do this over and over again.
joe rogan
So that was just his thing.
tim dillon
He was just having fun.
He's a kid having fun.
joe rogan
But what I was going to say is, but if it turns out to be true, there should be punishment as well.
Right.
When something like that gets revealed, and...
The more of those that turn out to not be true, there should be a number of those you could pull off before we go, alright, we can't listen to you anymore.
Is he there?
tim dillon
Yeah, I don't know.
joe rogan
He is.
tim dillon
That kid is.
joe rogan
That kid is.
But the James O'Keefe guy isn't.
Because I have intelligent friends that sent me the Omar thing, and they're like, this is very disturbing.
tim dillon
Well, I think a lot of it is...
I mean, like, we were talking...
joe rogan
If true, they said.
If true.
tim dillon
If true, yeah.
joe rogan
The caveat's very important.
tim dillon
If true.
Those two words are a big...
joe rogan
Yeah, if true.
tim dillon
I mean, if I'm in any of the James O'Keefe videos, you know they're a lie.
If James O'Keefe has me with a bunch of ballots in my car, we know it's...
joe rogan
Yeah, and you're driving a cab all of a sudden.
tim dillon
Yeah, I'm driving a cab...
You know, and I got all these ballots and I'm speaking a Jamaican accent.
Then yes.
Then yes, unfortunately.
joe rogan
I don't know if it's true.
I mean, it was funny because he was tweeting out that she said something about how voter fraud is, like, the numbers of voter fraud are so minuscule.
It's like.0006%.
Yeah.
And then he tweets out this stuff about her and voter fraud.
tim dillon
Right.
And I'm wondering how big...
I don't know how big voter fraud is.
That's something I have no idea.
I've never met a person in my life that's like, you know what I'm going to do today?
I'm going to go fucking vote seven times.
I've never met that person.
jamie vernon
The one thing...
I mean, watching the video, just watching it, it's obviously highly edited.
So, like, you can't say it's not an edited video and...
That doesn't take a lot of things away because you have to edit the video.
joe rogan
You kind of have to edit, right?
Because it's got to be small.
jamie vernon
You don't know who the people are that are being covered up.
I think when I saw...
I was reading through people that are like...
I think Newsweek was digging into each piece of it today.
And I don't know that they could verify everything because they weren't saying that this was necessarily false.
But they asked if that guy worked for who they said he worked for.
And I don't think they got a response that said, yes, he verifiably works for these people or something.
So that's where it kind of gets...
joe rogan
But if someone was doing something that illegal, why would they be like, who are you, strange man with camera?
Come look, I break law.
I break law everywhere.
Crazy.
tim dillon
What is James O'Keefe's deal?
He just goes, I'm just going to figure out a fun conspiracy that's happening.
He goes, how does he get into these things?
He gets a tip, and then he goes, let's just get some cameras in there.
joe rogan
I don't know.
tim dillon
It's like a YouTube prank show fused with political exposés.
joe rogan
The problem is the Twitter stuff.
The problem is the stuff where he actually did catch executives or, excuse me, catch employees that were talking about how they make it so that conservative voices don't get heard.
tim dillon
Yeah, which I believe 100%.
joe rogan
It's 100%.
It's real.
It's real.
And whether or not it is top-down or whether or not the tools are available to employees and they act as activists, that's possible too.
jamie vernon
Another thing, too, I was reading about this.
I think it's about ballot harvesting, and according to this article, it says that it's actually not illegal in Minnesota, but there have been propositions currently.
I think Tulsi Gabbard put something up to have it be made illegal, I think, nationwide.
So ballot harvesting is not something I understand.
tim dillon
What the hell is ballot harvesting?
joe rogan
Yeah, explain ballot harvesting.
jamie vernon
I wish I could, but from what I read quickly about it, Certain workers who are not supposed to be paid by anyone, which is part of like, you're not supposed to be paid for this, is where it gets muddy.
You're allowed to go collect ballots from people to then turn them in.
joe rogan
Right.
But only three.
I think it can't be more than three.
jamie vernon
Right, that's where it gets really...
joe rogan
Yeah, that's what I read.
And this guy had like a whole bag of them.
Look at all the illegal stuff I do on camera.
You for me?
Come with me.
tim dillon
I'll show you my face.
joe rogan
I'll show you the ballots.
tim dillon
Something feels off about it, right?
Something feels strange.
joe rogan
It feels a little fake.
tim dillon
He wants to go to jail.
joe rogan
But it might be rigged.
He might be the kind of guy that you hire to do something like this because he's a crazy guy who works for a cab company.
tim dillon
Right.
unidentified
Interesting.
joe rogan
And he doesn't give a fuck and he doesn't know there's a camera on him.
tim dillon
He doesn't care.
joe rogan
Maybe he doesn't know there's a camera on him.
And maybe what's edited is this guy going, you know what?
Fuck Trump.
If I could vote 30 times, I'd vote 30 times that we need to get him out of office.
He's fucking racist and he's sexy.
He's a piece of shit.
You know, he didn't pay any fucking taxes.
That fucking guy's always going off about socialism.
He's a fucking socialist!
Look, I got a 30 ballot.
I fucking cheat.
I'm a cheater and a liar.
I get paid.
I throw these away.
tim dillon
I watched that.
I was like, what is this?
Like, what?
I mean, people should watch it because it's interesting.
joe rogan
It's a what is this?
tim dillon
What is this?
What is this?
Yeah.
I mean, this election is going to have problems.
joe rogan
It's going to be chaos.
That's why I'm in Texas.
You should move here before November 3rd.
tim dillon
I'm locking myself in my studio.
I'm doing an event where I go, I'm not leaving the studio until there's a president.
joe rogan
Oh, will you be there for years?
tim dillon
Well, I hope not.
But I'm going to lock myself in.
joe rogan
I'm thinking it's going to be Pelosi.
tim dillon
48 hours.
You think it's going to get that bad?
joe rogan
Yeah, and she's going to do all of her press conferences from that very beauty salon where she didn't wear a mask.
jamie vernon
I heard if, I think if the president doesn't accept the results or whatever, and there is like a time period where it's not decided, she does become the default.
joe rogan
Oh yeah, she's the third person in charge.
She's the Speaker of the House.
That's how it works.
That's real.
tim dillon
Well, we need a landslide.
We need whoever wins.
We need someone to take Florida and Ohio early in the night.
joe rogan
I don't know if it counts without the ballots.
If they're encouraging mail-in ballots, here's what disturbs me.
When one party wants mail-in ballots and the other party doesn't, I'm like, why do they want it?
I don't know the answer to this.
I'm just speculating.
Why do the Democrats want it?
And why does Trump not want it?
tim dillon
Democrats are saying COVID's going to keep people from voting.
joe rogan
Is it?
tim dillon
I don't believe it is.
I think that's wrong.
joe rogan
Come on.
Is it keeping people from buying groceries?
unidentified
No.
joe rogan
Is it keeping people from going to Jack in the Box?
tim dillon
Yeah, and I know people that, these people hate Trump so much, it's like, well then have that be your last act.
Have that be your last earthly act.
How beautiful would that be?
Because all you've done, right, there you go.
All you've done is say, this guy's ruining your life every day.
Go and die and get rid of him.
joe rogan
I wish there was someone to root for.
tim dillon
I know.
joe rogan
There's no one to root for.
I wish there was someone who just stood out as being this fucking perfect person that I really love.
tim dillon
No, we don't have any of that.
joe rogan
I wish it was Tulsi Gabbard.
I'd fucking vote for her naked.
I'd be out there coughing my mouth.
I'm voting for her.
tim dillon
Well, there were people that were interesting.
Sanders was interesting because he didn't seem like he was in the system like everybody else was.
But it also seemed like maybe a lot of what he wanted to do never would have gotten done.
joe rogan
I was interested to see if he could pull it off.
When he was talking...
When people were talking about what he wanted to do versus what he was talking about, what he wanted to do, I was like, oh...
They're distorting your voice.
They're distorting your narrative.
And when I had him on the podcast, we talked for a while.
I'm like, you're not crazy.
You're just a good guy who wants to do well for the working people.
And your idea is to take a small fraction, less than a penny, of these speculation trades, and then take the money off of that and dedicate it to social causes.
Like, I'm in.
tim dillon
Yeah.
I mean, if that was what it was, I think a lot of people would have been in.
But he's just one of those small group of politicians that, He doesn't get the air time.
You gave him air time, but you rightly said he had to explain that in 30 seconds.
joe rogan
Yes, under normal circumstances.
But then I gave this tepid endorsement of him, and they used that with all jokes and shit that I said.
He's homophobic, transphobic, racist, this, that, fucking everything.
And they took him out.
They took him out.
And then the fucking DNC all aligned together to get Mayor Pete and Amy Klobuchar and Elizabeth Warren all dive out.
unidentified
That's who they wanted.
joe rogan
They quit.
tim dillon
Yeah.
joe rogan
And so that Biden would get the...
The whole thing was dirty.
tim dillon
The DNC has rigged this now like twice against him.
unidentified
Twice.
Pretty much.
joe rogan
Twice.
They did it.
Donna Brazile's book talks openly about it.
tim dillon
Right.
joe rogan
They did it twice.
Dude, it's a dirty organization.
unidentified
It's a dirty organization.
joe rogan
They're both dirty.
tim dillon
But Sanders was a little too nice.
joe rogan
Yes.
tim dillon
Trump just lit the Republican Party on fire.
I mean, he went in there.
He said, McCain's not a hero.
I like people who didn't get captured.
He went right at Jeb Bush.
I mean, they were the political dynasty in the Republican Party.
He just laid waste.
joe rogan
Called him sleepy.
tim dillon
Laid waste to them.
joe rogan
Low energy Jeb.
tim dillon
Low energy Jeb.
Just went in there and...
Sanders was like, oh, these are my colleagues and I respect them.
I'm like, that's not the way to do this.
joe rogan
The reason why he did that is because that's who he really is.
tim dillon
I know.
joe rogan
He's not a bullshitter.
tim dillon
He's not full of shit.
joe rogan
And that's why I liked him.
I enjoyed talking to him, man.
I really did.
tim dillon
But now he'll get to sit in Vermont.
He'll write a book.
joe rogan
Nobody's going to buy that book.
tim dillon
No one's going to buy it, but he can write it.
He can have a little ice cream.
But if you want in the big game, you've got to go on thing.
You've got to look at Klobuchar and go, shut up, you centrist bitch.
unidentified
You don't even know who the president of Mexico is!
tim dillon
And then he has to go and just lay waste to everybody.
Every time Kamala talked, he should have went, cop!
That's what he should have did!
Cop!
That's what Trump would have done.
He needed to be the left Trump.
Like Biden talks.
Sanders goes, this guy's dead.
He's in bed with credit card companies in Delaware.
He had the worst criminal justice bill ever.
That guy's a corpse.
Sanders should have nicknamed everyone like Trump did.
Corpse, cop.
joe rogan
What's crazy is when there's corruption, but they'll ignore it because it'll interfere with what they want.
Like this Hunter Biden shit.
tim dillon
Yes.
joe rogan
Bro.
tim dillon
It's crazy.
joe rogan
This was Donald Trump Jr. And is Hunter the one that passed away or no?
No, he's the one that's still alive.
He's the one that took millions of dollars.
tim dillon
Did he marry the wife of the brother?
joe rogan
I hope so.
I don't know.
tim dillon
Something went wild there, right?
Didn't something go wild, Jamie?
Something went weird with the brother that died's wife and Hunter, I think.
I could be wrong.
Don't quote me on this.
unidentified
I don't know.
joe rogan
But the scandal is that he took a shit ton of money from Russian billionaires, right?
Isn't that the scandal?
Jamie's double Googling right now.
Hold.
Let's start with the brother, the wife of the brother.
tim dillon
I could be wrong about this.
joe rogan
Hunter Biden, father-child with woman...
tim dillon
While dating brother's widow.
unidentified
Whoa.
tim dillon
I mean, this is a wild family.
joe rogan
Hold on.
Can I see a picture of this girl?
tim dillon
Good point.
joe rogan
She might have been hot as fuck.
tim dillon
Well, Joe Biden is the one on the right.
joe rogan
Okay.
tim dillon
Hunter and Haley Biden.
joe rogan
They broke up after nearly two years of dating.
She filed a paternity suit.
Same month, Hunter Biden, 49, married Melissa Cohen after just six days of dating.
Yeah, well, okay.
Maybe he found the perfect girl after he'd already knocked up this other chick, and this other chick he fucking hated, but he vowed to take care of the baby.
You know?
tim dillon
But it's interesting.
He's dating the brother's widow.
That's interesting.
joe rogan
People are messy.
tim dillon
Sure.
joe rogan
People are messy.
tim dillon
Sure.
joe rogan
Listen, the brother's dead.
Maybe he's in love with the widow.
Maybe it's a perfect relationship.
tim dillon
Sounds good.
joe rogan
I don't have a problem with that.
I mean, it's weird.
tim dillon
It is strange.
joe rogan
It's certainly salacious.
unidentified
It's odd.
tim dillon
It's odd that Biden is holding up children and sniffing them.
joe rogan
That's odd.
He's a sniffer.
But the other thing that bothers me is how much did he get from some billionaire?
He got money from a Russian billionaire.
I think it was like some...
tim dillon
A very large amount of money.
They're all involved in this energy company.
They all find these little scams that nobody knows about and then eventually they come out like once every four years, election year.
But I think a lot of them were working for like this same energy company in the Ukraine that's involved with all of these problems.
joe rogan
Yeah, well, I mean, Hillary Clinton was involved with the Russians.
You know what's hilarious?
There's one meme.
It's a really good meme.
Here it is.
Hunter Biden received $3.5 million wild transfer from Russian billionaire.
Yeah.
Okay.
Biden was briefed about Sun's involvement according to Hunter Biden's Burisma.
Hunter Biden Burisma?
What does that mean?
jamie vernon
Hunter...
joe rogan
Oh, okay.
Oh, the company's Burisma.
Joe Biden's son Hunter made money from Russia, China.
Okay.
All right.
I don't know.
Maybe he earned the money.
Right.
But I just know that it's weird that the media is kind of ignoring it.
tim dillon
Well, the media is 100% in the tank.
They don't want Trump winning.
joe rogan
90% of the media.
tim dillon
90% of the media, except for Fox News and Candace Owens.
Those are the two media figures.
joe rogan
Is she media now?
tim dillon
Candace Owens is bigger than anyone.
joe rogan
She is.
tim dillon
She's on Facebook.
She's got like 300 million views.
I mean, she's crazy.
joe rogan
Giant.
tim dillon
And I've got to be honest with you.
You can't not watch her.
Whether you like her or not...
She is very smart.
joe rogan
She's very articulate.
tim dillon
She really knows how to talk.
joe rogan
She knows how to talk.
tim dillon
But every now and then she'll do something wild.
She'll do a GoFundMe for Timothy McVeigh.
But she still is.
joe rogan
Just tosses suit over Trump.
A fair story after Fox News argues no responsible viewer takes Tucker Carlson seriously.
jamie vernon
Their defense was that it's basically like parody almost.
And that's why it's not news.
joe rogan
Tucker Carlson is parody?
jamie vernon
Yeah.
joe rogan
No.
jamie vernon
Yeah.
His lawyer's defense of what they were saying was that.
tim dillon
But this is a smart legal defense.
This is what they all do.
joe rogan
This is what they all do.
That's a sneaky move.
tim dillon
It's fun.
jamie vernon
It's the second public time I've heard in a lawsuit that Fox News has admitted they're not news, they're entertainment.
joe rogan
Yeah, I think they kind of have to do that like wrestling does.
They have to say they're not really wrestling.
I know what you're saying.
I know what you're saying.
tim dillon
But they choose to.
It's a smart move.
joe rogan
Yeah.
tim dillon
It's a little workaround.
joe rogan
Did you see the thing where Tucker Carlson was playing all these videos of Chris Cuomo talking to Michael Cohen, coaching him on what to say when he interviews him?
tim dillon
Did not see that.
joe rogan
Oh my god.
Fox News went...
CNN just ignored the fuck out of it.
They ignored it and pretended it didn't even happen.
tim dillon
Right.
joe rogan
And they didn't address it at all.
And Fox News played it multiple times over multiple nights.
It is clearly Chris Cuomo talking to Michael Cohen and he is coaching him on what to say when he talks to him about the hush payments.
tim dillon
Crazy.
joe rogan
But it's just like, I don't know why he would even...
I don't know why they did that.
tim dillon
Well, the Cuomo...
I don't like the idea that one of them is a governor and the other one's in the news.
I don't love that.
joe rogan
I think maybe he was friends with Michael Cohen and he was just trying to help him out as a friend.
If you were going to be...
Let's just be honest.
I'm going to be honest with you folks.
If Tim Dillon was involved in some fucked up shit and I had an interview on my podcast, what do I say?
It was just you and me alone.
I would coach you 100%.
I would say this is what you should say.
Especially if I was trying to help you.
tim dillon
I understand that.
joe rogan
If he's friends with that guy, I get it.
The problem is...
He's a broadcaster on CNN, which is the cable news network.
tim dillon
Was.
joe rogan
What is it now?
tim dillon
It's nothing.
I mean, it's nothing.
I mean, it's absurd.
Chris Cuomo is on there talking about he's got corona.
I mean, they're doing like home videos.
I'm like, what is not news?
joe rogan
Here's another scandal.
Here's another scandal.
tim dillon
Yeah, he pretended to have corona?
joe rogan
There's a little bit of the pretending to leave his basement.
I'm pretty sure he had corona.
tim dillon
Well, he said he cured it by chest exercise.
I don't buy that.
joe rogan
But here's another one.
There's a picture of him sitting at his desk holding a hundred pound dumbbell up in the air and bodybuilders are calling bullshit.
tim dillon
Oh, interesting.
I didn't see that.
joe rogan
Also because of the angle that he's holding.
Now, Chris Cuomo is, I'm Italian, I can say this, he's a guinea.
A lot of those guineas are stupid strong.
They're monkey strong.
tim dillon
I bet he is.
joe rogan
A lot of them.
And also very smart.
There was a guy that used to run a sandwich shop near our house who could curl his own body weight ten times.
And nobody believed him, and this guy barely lifted weights.
And he did it before a wrestling meet.
He was like a big-time wrestler in Newton South.
And he wound up losing the wrestling meet.
It was like legend in the town.
Because his arms were blown out.
Because he made like a hundred bucks on a bet.
tim dillon
Showing people.
joe rogan
Showing people that he could curl his body weight ten times.
jamie vernon
I don't know if he was trying to be serious with this.
This is...
joe rogan
No, he's fucking serious, bro.
Okay.
tim dillon
This is where we get our news in America.
joe rogan
No, there's a photo and he's wearing a t-shirt.
This is different.
That's real.
That's a real weight.
Whether or not that weighs 100 pounds, it might weigh 100 pounds.
I don't believe that he has a fake 100 pound weight.
He's a big person.
I think that guy's pretty large.
unidentified
He's a strong dude.
tim dillon
I'm sure he's not.
I'm sure the weight isn't fake.
joe rogan
That's the picture.
Here's the thing.
I saw these people that are complaining and saying it's not real and all this shit.
Listen, you can do that.
That can be done.
People who think you can't do that are crazy.
He's bigger than me.
He's bigger than me, and there's a video of me on Instagram with a 92-pound kettlebell, and I'm cleaning it and pressing it 10 times over my head.
That guy's a lot bigger than me.
He can hold 100 pounds over his head and do it like that.
If I have a 100-pound dumbbell in my arm right now, I could press it.
He's bigger than me.
He could do it.
Some people are fucking strong.
tim dillon
Yeah, I don't have any problem with doing that.
It's when he does the news.
unidentified
Look at this.
joe rogan
Challenge to Chris Cuomo.
Prove you're not a liar.
Prove you can actually lift that weight you're shown with.
See, this guy just wants attention.
Because you should know that there's people that are freak strong that could lift that.
Frank's Country Store.
tim dillon
I'll throw in $1,000.
joe rogan
That was the guy's name.
Frank's Country Store, Newton.
It was in Newton.
It wasn't Newton Upper Falls?
Somewhere in Newton, Massachusetts.
Newton Center.
tim dillon
That's such a great Boston story where it's like the guy loses the team, loses the wrestling match.
joe rogan
We always talk about him because we'd go buy subs there because we'd walk there from school.
We'd buy subs from Frank.
tim dillon
That's the guy.
joe rogan
He could curl his own body weight 10 times.
He was a tank.
tim dillon
He's just a legend.
joe rogan
He was just a fucking stacked little guinea.
tim dillon
Right.
joe rogan
Like this 5'7 guy who's like 5'7 wide.
tim dillon
I don't mind people not liking Trump.
It's weird when they're like angry.
Like I see Chris Cuomo like he's angry.
They're angry.
joe rogan
But isn't that his job?
tim dillon
It shouldn't be.
joe rogan
But it's entertainment.
Like Tucker Carlson's entertainment, he's entertainment on the other side.
But anyway, Tucker Carlson's been ruthless.
Say what you love about Tucker Carlson.
That guy is very good at shitting on people and being smug about it.
tim dillon
Also, if you look at a lot of where he stands politically, he's not like a corporate right-wing guy.
I mean, listen, he's wealthy, he's from a rich family, blah, blah, blah.
But he actually seems to find a lot of merit in some of the more socialist-type programs.
He talks about...
joe rogan
He balances his statements out very well.
tim dillon
He does balance them out.
You'll watch him and you'll go, this guy doesn't seem like some radical lunatic.
joe rogan
But he's in that category where everyone's like, oh, he's a white supremacist.
Oh, he's a racist.
You don't even give him a chance.
But this is how partisan we are, how politically divided we are.
When nobody wants to listen to anything that anybody says that doesn't even agree with them at all.
tim dillon
Right.
unidentified
Right.
joe rogan
There's a great fucking documentary from a few years back about the 1960s.
And it is, I think it's called Bitter Enemies.
I've talked about it before.
It's Gore Vidal versus William F. Buckley.
tim dillon
Yeah, Best of Enemies.
joe rogan
Best of Enemies.
Best of Enemies, yeah.
Amazing.
tim dillon
Unbelievable.
joe rogan
It's so good.
tim dillon
Yeah.
joe rogan
And you have this conservative in William F. Buckley, who really seems like a cunt, and you got Gore Vidal, who's like, my version of what a liberal should be.
That's what I like.
Right.
An intelligent, open-minded, very well-read, very articulate person.
unidentified
Right.
Right.
joe rogan
I love that debate.
And then when Gore Vidal gets under William F. Buckley's skin, and he says crazy shit to him, and he says like, he says, I'll sock you.
Something real dated.
He calls him a fairy, but it's very dated.
Like, you'll stay plastered or something.
unidentified
I'll sock you in your old-timey political cartoon fight.
joe rogan
But he was like, obviously he lost his cool, and he lost the debate.
Because of that.
tim dillon
Now we couldn't have a debate.
We'd have to hide the location because there would be riots outside.
joe rogan
Yeah.
Oh, yeah, yeah.
Everybody would hit fire alarms and shut down the thing.
tim dillon
Yeah, they'd be shooting fireworks into the debate stage.
joe rogan
You can't even have a remotely controversial, non-orthodox opinion anymore.
And I hate to say this because I am a left-wing person.
tim dillon
Yeah.
joe rogan
It is from the left.
unidentified
Right.
joe rogan
The left are the people that are doing this.
tim dillon
For the most part, it is.
joe rogan
The right might mock people on the left, but they're not trying to shut down speech.
tim dillon
The right is not...
Well, the right...
Used to do it.
They did it a lot in the 90s.
They did it a lot with art.
They did it a lot with people that were anti-religion.
They did it a lot like the Family Values.
All those coalitions used to do it a lot.
They used to do it a lot when a cartoon did something they didn't like.
joe rogan
Well, the left did that too, though, dude.
Tipper Gore was the one who was trying to stop the rap music.
tim dillon
That's Al Gore's wife.
100%.
But she was kind of an anomaly at that point.
A lot of it was coming from the Christian, right?
But now all of that has been transferred to the left.
joe rogan
Yeah, that's why it's so confusing.
tim dillon
Primarily, it's transferred to the left.
joe rogan
The left was supposed to be about, like, you know...
tim dillon
Yeah, tolerance.
joe rogan
Yeah, open-minded views.
I remember there was a...
I forget the artist's name, but he had a piece called Piss Christ.
And it was...
Do you remember that?
tim dillon
During Giuliani.
joe rogan
Yes.
tim dillon
I remember it, yeah.
joe rogan
It came to Boston, because I remember- It was a crucifix submerged in urine.
There is this Andres Serrano.
It's a small plastic crucifix submerged in a glass tank filled with piss, with his own piss.
And people were losing their fucking minds that this guy dunked a plastic statue in a bucket of piss.
It was like- Pawning it off.
tim dillon
Yeah.
joe rogan
And it was like, there was like Civil War about this.
tim dillon
It was like a fucking, it was a real big issue.
joe rogan
And I want to say, I don't look at the date here, but I want to say this is like 87. 85, I think.
85. 85. Yeah.
He was probably just like a bad artist.
Yeah, this was post high school for me, and I was still trying to figure out what made sense.
unidentified
Yeah.
Yeah.
joe rogan
I was like, I was just getting, so 87 means I was 20, which means I was just getting out of the house.
I was just getting out of the house when I was 20 and I was living with my friends.
And I was kind of a loser who was also a winner.
Like, I was a martial arts winner, but I was a loser as far as like, if you looked at me on paper, like, what are you doing with your life, kid?
Like, ugh.
tim dillon
It's a problem.
joe rogan
Yeah, it was a problem.
And I was trying to figure out what made sense and I heard about this and I went to see it.
And I also went to see a Yoko Ono art exhibit.
One of the Yoko Ono art pieces, Yoko Ono, she had a block of wood with nails in it and there was a box of nails and a hammer and she encouraged people to participate in the art.
She wanted you to pick up a nail and knock it into the wood and that was her art.
She's like, I want to encourage participation.
I had a bit about it back then.
I was like, if you want to encourage participation, take the nail and Put it in your forehead.
There'll be a fucking line around the block.
tim dillon
There'll be a line of people to get it.
joe rogan
Yeah, this is when I was an open-miker.
tim dillon
That was one of my first jokes.
unidentified
Yeah, that's so funny.
tim dillon
You look at that and it's so bad, but certain comedy specials will be remembered like that.
joe rogan
Oh.
tim dillon
Yeah, certain things.
Certain comedy specials will be like, oh, that was our nail moment.
joe rogan
Yeah, don't try that.
We've already figured out the art form.
You don't need to reinvent it with no audience.
tim dillon
We need to redo it.
Yeah, there's no need.
Yeah, I mean, it's crazy.
Now, everybody's—and this is probably overinflated, all that Spotify stuff.
Is this just complete fodder?
joe rogan
They have literally said nothing to me about it.
Zero.
It's never come up.
Now, is there someone at Spotify that's complaining about the Abigail Schreier episode?
I'm sure.
Right.
I'm sure there's someone that's complaining about it.
Is it a transphobic episode?
It's not.
They're wrong.
They're not.
It has nothing to do with that.
It has to do with the fact that human beings are actually malleable.
We all know that.
That's why cults exist.
There's a thought process now that if you're talking at all about trans people, you have to be 100% supportive.
You can never question whether or not children should be allowed to transition, babies, hormone blockers for prepubescent children.
All this is madness.
Here's the question.
Are there some people who are horribly sad that they transitioned and regret it terribly?
The answer is yes.
Right.
Are there some people that are very happy they transitioned and they're much more happy in the gender of their choice, how they feel, than the gender of their birth?
The answer is also yes.
tim dillon
Right.
joe rogan
Because people, they vary wildly.
What Abigail's talking about in her book, Irreversible Damage, is large clusters of kids who are mostly kids that are socially awkward.
Many of them are autistic.
Many of them have never had any praise at all in their life.
And they transition and they get all this praise from people.
unidentified
Right.
joe rogan
Because it is, right now, it's in vogue.
tim dillon
It's a social contagion amongst that subset of people.
And they're at high risk for, they're easily influenced.
Yes.
joe rogan
That was the problem.
The word contagion was one of the things they had an issue with.
They called it deeply transphobic.
It's not transphobic.
tim dillon
Because contagion is also used to talk about diseases.
But that's not...
joe rogan
It's language.
Yeah, it is language.
And this is the problem, is that they look at this and they say this is openly transphobic.
It is not transphobic.
It's not transphobic.
tim dillon
No, it's not.
I think...
There's got to be space for conversation.
And I think that a lot of this, you know, rigid, you know, allegiance to, I mean, listen, we all know that trans people are, in many cases, are much happier when they transition and they have better, productive, fulfilling lives.
Everybody, I don't think anybody does, like, there are people that don't want that, but they're probably a minority.
unidentified
Right.
tim dillon
It's probably a small minority of people.
joe rogan
The spectrum of human beings and their happiness is so fucking broad that to say that all heterosexual people are happy or all homosexual people are happy or all trans people are happy is nonsense.
tim dillon
It's not true.
joe rogan
It's crazy.
So when you talk about a particular issue where the uptick of girls transitioning, it's called rapid onset gender dysphoria.
Psychologists are talking about this like it's a real issue because there's an uptick of several thousand percent over the last decade.
They're looking at this and they're trying to figure out what the fuck is going on.
So when that does happen, if you can't discuss it, we've found ourselves in this terrible place where there's no longer nuance.
There's no longer informed discussion.
And you have decided that a subject is off bounds or out of boundaries.
Now, if people think that I should have trans people on and talk to them about it, I'm happy to do that.
But that's not what they're saying.
Now, I don't know what the actual conversation has been from Spotify talking to these employees.
But if these employees are listening, I would...
Tell you emphatically, I am not in any way anti-trans.
Not in any way.
In any way.
I am 100% for people being able to do whatever they want as long as it doesn't harm other people.
If you choose to do anything, whatever you want, whatever your personal choice is, I am happy if you're happy.
I don't care.
I'm 100% open-minded.
But if you say that I can't talk about something when a woman...
whole book and researched it deeply and is talking about not just these children themselves that have grown up and then gotten out of school and then realized they've made a horrible mistake and it's irreversible.
That's the name of the book, Irreversible Damage.
We can't discuss this.
Look, I had a friend who reached out to me and was saying thank you because my daughter has friends and four of them just decided they're trans together and they're all awkward and I've been trying to tell her that this is probably statistically not even possible, that they would all be trans like this.
There might be something else and then they read this book or they hear about this conversation and without even looking into it they just decided that it's transphobic.
It's not transphobic to say that some people will regret transitioning.
It's just a part of being a person.
People are so malleable.
They're so easily influenced.
And for us to deny that doesn't do anybody any good.
Anybody any service.
So this is the main issue they had with that.
Apparently, this is the main problem they had was this one particular episode.
And I'm sure they've had issues with other episodes as well.
But like I said before, I'm talking off the top of my head.
And a lot of times I'm saying shit that I don't even mean.
Because I'm saying it because this is a fucking podcast.
And if you have a problem with people saying terrible shit and you work for Spotify, maybe you should listen to some of the lyrics.
Because some of the lyrics and some of the fucking music that you guys play over and over and over again...
Makes my shit pale in comparison.
tim dillon
Pale!
joe rogan
If you're listening to some rap music right now, and I'm not anti-rap, I love rap music.
Fucking say it all.
Go back and listen to N.W.A. Go back and listen to some of the early shit.
Go back and listen to Ice-T, Cop Killer, When the Body Count Days.
tim dillon
That's wild.
A lot of rap is not female forward.
joe rogan
Listen, I'm a fan, man.
I fucking love rap music.
I'm a big fan.
Look, I met Willie D from the Ghetto Boys recently when I did gigs in Houston.
I was like a little kid in a candy store.
I'm a huge Ghetto Boys fan.
I love rap music, but...
tim dillon
It's a standard.
If we're going to apply a standard.
joe rogan
It's a type of art.
And talking shit is also a type of art.
You might not like that type of art because it seems too much like a real statement.
And sometimes it is a real statement.
And sometimes it's just talking shit.
tim dillon
And the fun is in deciphering which is which and...
unidentified
Right.
joe rogan
I mean, half the fucking time you and I are talking, if you took what we say out of quote, which is one of the things they did with the Bernie Sanders thing, they took things and put them in quotes, and some of them were so ridiculous.
Yeah.
But that is what people do when they're trying to discredit someone, and what they're doing is they're not being honest.
It's not an honest take.
It's not a real...
Honest take on who a human being is.
It's a denial of nuance.
It's a denial of all the complexities that make a human being.
It's like deciding, like, you said this, and you said Meghan McCain, you know, fuck these tits.
Right.
tim dillon
She fucked her dad.
joe rogan
You're a bad person.
tim dillon
You're a bad person.
I did not mean she had a baby with her dad.
It's certainly possible, but I didn't mean it.
joe rogan
But that, this is...
I get it.
If you're a 23-year-old woke kid, and you're working for this company, and you think you're going to put your foot down...
tim dillon
Well, isn't it that just in the beginning of tech, everybody that got into tech, it was like nerds, it was woke people, people that are like...
joe rogan
Right, but here's...
Listen, me on the outside reading these fucking articles, like, oh my god, Spotify's censoring Rogan, Spotify's doing this...
tim dillon
It's not happening.
joe rogan
Spotify has said nothing.
Listen to me.
Nothing.
They haven't said anything to my manager.
They haven't said anything to me.
They've said nothing.
Right.
They've apparently had meetings, but they have a lot of meetings.
They have meetings about all sorts of shows.
They have meetings about the music they have.
They have people that have problems, especially in this day and age.
Look, it's a great company.
They're open-minded.
They treat their employees very well.
They let them have discussions about things.
And I don't know what these discussions are like.
I don't know what happens.
unidentified
Yeah.
joe rogan
I really don't.
But in terms of like them silencing me, zero.
tim dillon
Right.
joe rogan
There's been nothing.
tim dillon
Right.
joe rogan
There's been nothing.
tim dillon
Yeah.
And then, well, the new thing that was Roe v.
Wade, right?
With the new Supreme Court justice.
unidentified
Yeah.
tim dillon
This is a big deal.
It was always interesting to me about abortion.
joe rogan
That lady has like 80 kids.
She's got a lot of children.
She wants to just fuck and make babies.
tim dillon
She's a Catholic woman who likes being on her back and God love her and she's a smart judge.
joe rogan
Spread that seed.
tim dillon
She loves Christ and her husband.
joe rogan
And babies.
tim dillon
And babies.
And she's adopted.
Some of them are adopted.
unidentified
Yeah.
tim dillon
She brought them in.
She flew them in.
joe rogan
Listen, that's, you know.
tim dillon
God bless her.
joe rogan
Yeah, abortion is a fucking, it's a weird conversation.
tim dillon
It's a weird one.
joe rogan
You know why?
Because it's a particularly human subject.
tim dillon
Right.
joe rogan
Where it's like a messy one.
Where like, I am 100% in favor for a woman having a right to choose.
Let's just get that out of the way right away.
I'm 100% pro-choice.
But when it's like nine months old, what age?
Six months?
Five months?
tim dillon
Yeah, I'm in favor of abortions.
joe rogan
Four months.
tim dillon
Up until...
joe rogan
18 years old?
tim dillon
Up until they start...
Attending meetings at Spotify and complaining.
That's when I think you should be able to abort your kids.
joe rogan
But anybody who says you are anti-abortion...
tim dillon
Yeah.
joe rogan
Okay, what if it's two cells?
unidentified
Right.
tim dillon
But those are the same people that are against stem cell research.
They're against any type of...
Contraception in many cases.
joe rogan
Maybe not, but let's generalize.
tim dillon
No, but they are.
A lot of people that are hardcore anti-abortion are like, we shouldn't be doing anything.
Condoms are no good.
Birth control is no good.
joe rogan
Those people are crazy.
tim dillon
They're crazy.
joe rogan
Those people are crazy.
tim dillon
They're wild.
joe rogan
But also the late-term abortion people are crazy, too.
tim dillon
Those are crazy people, too.
joe rogan
That's a baby.
tim dillon
That is a baby.
joe rogan
That baby is alive.
If you took it out of the body, it would be alive.
tim dillon
That's crazy.
joe rogan
That's a weird one, man.
tim dillon
It's very strange.
joe rogan
But people will take a hard-line ideology party stance.
They're like, I am left-wing.
I believe in abortion rights no matter what.
tim dillon
No matter what.
joe rogan
And if you say, up till eight months?
What do you think about eight months?
Yeah.
What do you think about nine months?
tim dillon
Can't do that.
Can't do that.
joe rogan
It's weird.
But some people believe in that.
tim dillon
Yeah.
joe rogan
And it's such a human issue because there's so many things going on there.
tim dillon
Roe v.
Wade, if it's overturned, goes to the states.
joe rogan
Is that really possible?
tim dillon
I guess it's- Is that really possible?
I mean, it could be, theoretically.
joe rogan
Are you going to make women carry rape babies?
tim dillon
I don't know, but here's what would happen.
I think it would go back to the states, right?
So it wouldn't be a ban on abortion.
It would just make it a states' rights decision.
So there would be abortion in still most American states, which again, I don't agree with.
I think it should be available in all 50 states.
I think those people want to cut off federal funding, any type of federal funding for- Is it available in every state right now?
I believe so, yeah.
joe rogan
Federally, it has to be available, right?
tim dillon
I believe so, yes, yeah.
joe rogan
That is what Roe v.
Wade stands for.
unidentified
Yes.
tim dillon
So what happens is if they get rid of that, then states would vote on it and states would decide what the appropriate – they would have to make their laws.
joe rogan
See, the problem is what if there's an 18-year-old girl and she – abortion in the United States is legal.
73 case.
Abortion is legal in all states.
Every state has at least one abortion clinic.
There you go.
Right.
But here's the thing.
If you make it the state's rights and a girl just turns 18 and a law comes into place and all abortion gets shut down, she doesn't have any money, and she's fucked.
She's pregnant.
She doesn't know what to do.
tim dillon
And also if she's too poor to afford to go to the state where you can get an abortion.
joe rogan
She might never be able to go to it in her state if it's far away.
tim dillon
Exactly.
It's very tough.
joe rogan
It's tough.
tim dillon
I mean, it's one of those issues where...
I think that we're never going to have everyone on the same page.
We just have to realize that.
There's issues in America.
We're never going to come together 100% on that.
joe rogan
Yeah.
tim dillon
As long as you still have people with a very kind of religious view of when life begins.
Because you can't argue with somebody who says, if life begins the minute that you have conception, then stem cell research, which is very beneficial to people, and abortion.
joe rogan
The good news is that stem cell research is advanced to the point where they don't have to do that anymore.
tim dillon
Well, the good news is two people, I think, are getting smarter and realizing that they can't legislate things based on a book that was written 2,000 years or whatever.
I mean, you hope that that's the case.
But now, you know, we have – now they're legislating from, you know – But they're writing the books as we...
They're writing the new religions as we speak.
joe rogan
So this lady that Trump wants to nominate...
Amy Coney Barrett.
What is her deal?
tim dillon
Catholic judge.
Only been a judge for three years.
Oh my god, that's so crazy.
I think she was only on the district court for three years or something.
She's...
He likes her.
She's a traditionalist, a Catholic...
The anti-abortion people dig her.
I mean, although Ann Coulter doesn't think she's conservative enough.
So it's like, it's a weird mix out there of like, she's a woman.
So it's very tough for people to, well, they are slamming her now.
They're slamming her because she has two black kids, which is pretty disgusting, that she adopted from Africa, which is pretty heinous.
That they're writing all these things about, oh, she's still a racist or...
And it's like you're going at her family.
It's so grotesque that they're doing that.
joe rogan
Yeah, that's pretty heinous that they're doing that.
tim dillon
It's grotesque.
joe rogan
She's obviously, if she's got that many kids, she's obviously a person who cares about children.
tim dillon
She cares about children.
This is what I don't understand.
I don't understand why you're trying to make this woman into a monster, but what they're arguing about.
joe rogan
It doesn't help it because they want someone...
First of all, they want Biden to win and they want someone to come in that's going to be nominated by a Democrat.
tim dillon
My opener has a great joke about that.
This guy Dan Carney, he basically says that like...
What happened?
He basically said, he's like, Biden's getting lowered into the ground a day after the inauguration.
He's got three weeks.
It's President Kamala.
You're voting for Kamala.
joe rogan
You really are.
tim dillon
So he made a good point there.
So it's like Biden's going to spend a few months in the Oval Office, a couple of photo ops, and then Kamala's getting in and you're going to jail.
joe rogan
Yeah.
He just wants to get it on the books.
tim dillon
Yeah.
unidentified
I won.
tim dillon
Yeah.
I really did it.
joe rogan
And then face plant.
tim dillon
Done.
joe rogan
Yeah.
Balanced off the hardwood floors.
tim dillon
Kamala's coming in and then- Everybody turn.
And then she's going to Yas Queen her way all over and lock everyone up.
And you know what?
unidentified
So what?
tim dillon
Maybe we need that.
Maybe we all need to go to jail.
I'm open.
joe rogan
Maybe that's the only way we turn this country around.
tim dillon
Maybe I'm open to it.
joe rogan
We have to go so far crazy people on the left that we come back to the middle.
Maybe everyone's so angry at Trump, it'd be a good time to take the crazy train on the left-hand side.
tim dillon
She might put more people in jail than Trump.
joe rogan
Oh, she would?
tim dillon
Yeah.
joe rogan
Who she has?
tim dillon
Yeah.
No, she has.
joe rogan
Yeah.
Not only that, withholds evidence.
tim dillon
Oh, yeah.
Shady prosecutor.
joe rogan
Oh, kept people in jail after they were supposed to be released to use them as cheap labor for the state to fight wildfires.
jamie vernon
I've heard one good thing recently is that she's into decriminalizing marijuana.
unidentified
Woo!
joe rogan
I'm voting for you, baby!
tim dillon
There we go.
joe rogan
Let's do it.
She's coming around.
Come on, Kamala.
Come on!
tim dillon
She's coming around.
joe rogan
As far as vice presidents, she'll be the hottest.
tim dillon
She'll be into criminalizing tweets.
joe rogan
She's the hottest vice president.
tim dillon
She'll be into criminalizing Facebook statuses.
joe rogan
You think so?
tim dillon
Who knows?
I get really worried about what could happen with big tech if they just are allowed to run amok.
joe rogan
Well, Trump hasn't done anything to stop them.
tim dillon
Nothing.
joe rogan
What has he done?
tim dillon
Not much.
joe rogan
I don't know what he can do.
tim dillon
I think he did a very anemic, weak thing where he was like, you can now try to institute some appeals process if you get deplatformed.
But it doesn't have any teeth.
These are private companies.
They can do what they want.
So the real debate is like, are they public utilities?
Are they private companies?
I don't know the answer to that.
I'm not smart enough to figure out the pros and cons of either.
But I just know that when you have such a small three or four companies, these motherfuckers have more power than Carnegie, Rockefeller, all of the people.
I mean, these people have access to your thoughts.
joe rogan
Look at this.
Trump...
Judge blocks Trump's administration's ban on new TikTok downloads from US app stores.
jamie vernon
They tried to do that.
unidentified
Yeah.
joe rogan
Overstepped authority with TikTok ban.
But the TikTok thing is slightly different because we're not talking about TikTok banning anybody.
TikTok will take anybody.
They're not banning anybody.
tim dillon
Right.
unidentified
Right.
joe rogan
What TikTok is doing is they are taking information from you at an astonishing rate.
tim dillon
Yes.
joe rogan
Like, they had an engineer, a back engineer of the software, and he said, this is the worst violation of privacy features I've ever seen ever in any application.
Right.
Like, it's maddening.
tim dillon
It's crazy.
joe rogan
It's following you.
tim dillon
But let me ask you a question.
If they looked at US companies, aren't they doing...
And I'm not saying that China should have our information, but like...
Aren't Google and Facebook, aren't they doing the same thing?
joe rogan
This is one step up for Apple, and I'm very happy that Apple did this.
Apple just stepped up recently, and now Apple is going to make it so that you have to...
Pull this up, because I don't want to butcher this, because this is actually pretty important.
Facebook is furious about this, because it'll limit the amount of ads.
You have to sign off On whether or not they can sell your data.
tim dillon
Okay.
joe rogan
And Facebook is saying, this is going to cut our money in half.
Right.
If you give people the option, you say, do you want Facebook to be able to sell your data?
And you're like, fuck yes, sell it!
Right.
Then no one's going to say that.
Right.
If you have to click yes or no, they're going to say no.
tim dillon
But do we believe them that that's the only way they're getting our data?
joe rogan
Look at this.
App ad tracking.
iOS 14 will give users the option to decline app ad tracking.
No, it's not the only way, but this is a big deal.
tim dillon
It's a big step.
joe rogan
So scroll up, please.
A new version of iOS wouldn't be the same without a bunch of security and privacy updates.
Apple on Monday announced a ton of new features that bake into iOS 14. Expect it out later this year with the release of new iPhones and iPads that we'll use.
It will allow users to share your approximate location with apps instead of your precise location.
It will allow apps to take a rough location if you're identifying precisely where you are.
Another option users will have is when they give over their location.
Oh wait a minute, camera and mic recording.
It will also get a camera and microphone recording indicator on the status bar.
Oh my god, is that what that light is?
Then someone's been recording me all day long.
jamie vernon
Shit, this is what I mean.
joe rogan
Dude, they're just recording.
tim dillon
This is what I mean.
jamie vernon
All day long.
joe rogan
Could be.
Motherfuckers.
I'm talking shit about people, too.
jamie vernon
Here's like, what's your pops up, I guess.
joe rogan
Um, pal about would like permission to track you across apps and websites owned by other companies.
Wow.
tim dillon
I just think that, yeah, obviously opt out, but I just think it's like data has become what?
They say more valuable than oil?
I mean, they're going to find a way to harvest that data from you, whether you're consenting or not.
joe rogan
I don't know if that's the case.
They have up until now.
But if Apple can figure out a way...
Because it doesn't benefit them if these apps harvest the data.
What it benefits them is if the apps give them a piece of the pie when you sign up.
And there's some apps that now are requiring subscription on their website.
tim dillon
They'll probably just start giving people a better deal on certain things if they share their data.
I mean, that will enable people to go, hey, I want to save a few bucks.
I don't care if you...
joe rogan
100%.
tim dillon
That's probably the direction they go in.
They're not going to give up these billions and billions of dollars of selling.
joe rogan
But it's not whether or not they give up.
If Apple cuts them out of it, then everybody has a choice.
Either you can get a Google phone, get an Android phone, and then you just give away all your information for free.
Or Apple institutes these new privacy laws or privacy features, and you get to decide.
Who tracks you?
You get to decide whether or not they can use your information and sell it.
You get to decide whether or not you get ads sent to you.
If Apple does that, it'll commit to them forever.
Your data is a commodity that you never really signed off on and you didn't even realize.
Look, there's benefits to it, right?
Your phone knows how many minutes it takes for you to get home.
You just look at your phone and it says, Tim, you'll be home in 22 minutes.
It's like, oh, okay, great.
But how does it know that?
Because it's tracking you.
If your phone knows what you like and where you're going or what's on your calendar, there's certain conveniences to it tracking you.
tim dillon
Right, and the trade-off for that is that you lose all privacy.
unidentified
Yeah.
tim dillon
Yeah.
joe rogan
But the trade-off that's positive is like, say if you go to a website and it recommends you an ad, and the ad is like some things you're into.
tim dillon
Right.
joe rogan
Like, you know, maybe you've been looking for a nice Yeti Tumblr, and it recommends it.
tim dillon
I think all of it ends up being okay if you always trusted the government.
If you always trusted the federal government.
joe rogan
But it's not the government.
This is companies.
tim dillon
Yeah, but there's government people that are using that information, 100%.
joe rogan
But that is not the real problem.
The real problem is companies like Facebook are literally making hundreds of billions of dollars off of your data.
And you're like, well, what are you providing?
You're providing a way to get addicted?
A way that I'm just arguing with my grandma about Trump?
tim dillon
They want to keep you on the needle.
That's what they want.
joe rogan
But...
There's an argument to be made that this is a commodity that no one knew was a commodity until it was too late.
tim dillon
Right.
Yeah.
And the cat was ready out of the bag.
joe rogan
Yeah.
tim dillon
It's too big.
joe rogan
It's a big thing.
It's a big thing.
tim dillon
Yeah.
joe rogan
It's a gigantic thing.
And if a company comes along like Apple and says, you know what?
You shouldn't be allowed to do this.
If you want to give away your privacy, you should have a little box you check on every little app that you sign.
And then if that comes along, I will be a fucking loyal Apple customer for life.
tim dillon
I just think whether it's the government or whether it's private corporations, the whole fear here is that malevolent forces or bad actors get a hold of this data, right?
joe rogan
They do.
unidentified
They do.
tim dillon
And so that is the major problem, whether it's intelligence agencies, whether they're keeping tabs on you for a reason.
joe rogan
Snowden uses Signal.
tim dillon
Right.
joe rogan
Do you know what that is?
tim dillon
I don't know what it is.
joe rogan
Listen, iOS is far more secure than SMS, right?
tim dillon
Right.
joe rogan
But iOS, whether it's iMessage, iMessage is more secure than SMS. If you have a Google phone, unless you're using WhatsApp, You're sending a regular text message.
What is this?
Speak freely.
Signal.
This is what Snowden recommends.
And the thing about it is it's encrypted, you to me, and it doesn't go to a third party.
So iOS, if you have an iMessage, it goes to the Apple server.
Signal does not.
tim dillon
Okay.
joe rogan
So Signal is, if you and I are sending messages to each other on Signal.
tim dillon
They're not going to the server.
joe rogan
Right.
And you can set it so that your message self-destructs in two minutes.
tim dillon
Wow.
joe rogan
Yeah.
There's different things you can do, but it's not going somewhere else where someone else can intercept it.
unidentified
Right.
joe rogan
It's all encrypted.
Right.
SMS, which you have if you have an Android phone.
I have an Android phone and I have an Apple phone.
tim dillon
I just have an iPhone.
joe rogan
My iPhone is iMessage, but occasionally like the green text message.
Those green text messages, anybody can pick up.
tim dillon
Right.
And they're also disgusting on the phone.
joe rogan
They look horrible.
unidentified
They look weird.
tim dillon
It's vomit colored.
joe rogan
They don't look that bad when you have the night mode on.
tim dillon
No, they do.
joe rogan
I don't mind them.
tim dillon
Why do you have an Android?
Is it to feel what the poor people feel like?
joe rogan
I like to have both operating systems because, look, this doesn't look that bad.
Look at that green.
Tim Pool has an Android.
He sends me Android.
tim dillon
I look at that green and I'm reminded of sewage.
joe rogan
I'm reminded of golfing.
tim dillon
Yeah.
joe rogan
Maybe a nice pool table.
Green cloth?
tim dillon
Yeah.
Perhaps.
joe rogan
Perhaps.
iOS is more secure.
It's more secure in that regard.
Like iMessage is more secure.
The thing about iMessage that's superior, there's a couple things.
One, the big one is pictures.
If you send me a picture in iMessage, it's a big, high-resolution picture.
If you send me a video, it's a nice, high-resolution video.
And you can send it to me through AirDrop, and it's in perfect quality.
If you send me a fucking video through a Google phone, it comes out looking like a flip phone from the late 90s.
It's so bad.
I've sent it to people, I'm like, oh my god, I have one of them notes, a Galaxy Note.
It's a beautiful phone.
It's like, beautiful screen, high resolution, the camera, the video's amazing.
But if I text it to somebody, it looks fucking dog shit.
tim dillon
Supposedly, the Galaxy cameras, like a lot of the Android cameras are better.
Than iPhone cameras.
joe rogan
They're not better.
unidentified
Okay.
joe rogan
They're just great.
tim dillon
They're very good.
joe rogan
They're really good.
But so is this.
Everything's great now.
They're all great.
Sony makes ridiculously good cameras on their phones.
They have an Xperia.
I think it's an Xperia 2.1 or 1.2, I think it's called.
I forget what it is.
But they have amazing video stabilization and their cameras are off the charts.
And if you're a photographer, the Sony ones allow you to get in there and tweak shit.
And so do the Samsung ones.
You can do a lot of tweaking and fucking with the settings.
And Samsung has incredible zoom.
They have this Galaxy S20 Ultra.
And it has this crazy zoom on it, man.
tim dillon
You can shoot movies on a lot of those.
And the iPhones.
joe rogan
Amazing.
Yeah.
And the Galaxy also has a 5,000 milliamp battery, so it's like the battery will last you forever.
But you're still sending text messages.
They haven't figured out an encrypted version of a messenger.
So unless you have friends, you've got to talk them into getting WhatsApp, or you've got to talk them into using Signal.
It's like...
Yeah.
data, like you can't send me a picture through Bluetooth.
Like if you have an Android phone and I have an iPhone, you can't send me a picture, not native at least.
I mean, there might be applications that are after the fact now.
Yeah.
They're just not quite there yet.
tim dillon
They're not there yet.
But I still feel like it's just, you know, it's a system of control that is going to be more and more omnipresent.
joe rogan
Here's the other thing I should say.
When I have my Samsung phone, my texts are not green.
I can make my texts any color I want.
tim dillon
Okay.
joe rogan
It's totally customizable.
tim dillon
Oh, interesting.
joe rogan
On my phone, like if you're texting me...
tim dillon
Yeah, I've only ever seen the green ones.
joe rogan
You've only seen them come to you.
tim dillon
Correct.
joe rogan
That's because iMessage...
They make you look like shit if you send a green text.
They know people hate it.
They know comics like you have bits about how poor you look.
tim dillon
I mean, it's disgusting.
joe rogan
It's weird that Google hasn't figured that out, that Android hasn't figured out a way to make a version of iMessage that works on iMessage.
I guess Apple has it locked down.
tim dillon
They want it locked down.
joe rogan
Yeah.
tim dillon
That seems to be what they want.
joe rogan
They want you in that walled garden.
tim dillon
That seems to be the issue now is that you can't do anything without being in business with some of these companies, whether it's Facebook, YouTube, Google, Amazon.
You have those five companies that run tech.
You've got to be in business with them if you want anything.
You've got to be on the grid.
You don't really have too much of an option.
And now they're instituting this thing saying, oh, well, you can opt out of the data.
But I guarantee they find a workaround with that.
joe rogan
They find a workaround.
tim dillon
And that's the real issue.
And then you start thinking about what kind of...
Now, they want to get rid of cars.
They want everybody to be in fleets of self-driving cars.
This is something that people want.
I mean, Gavin Newsom has said, let's phase out cars by 2035. Well, he said phase out gasoline cars.
Well, of course.
joe rogan
New gasoline cars.
But he's a fucking idiot.
Yeah.
The fact that they're doing this in the middle of their education system is falling apart.
These poor kids were getting a terrible education before.
Their top priority should be fixing their education system.
Instead, how much time are they wasting putting together this thing, this virtue signaling thing where you're trying to make banned cars, new cars that are gasoline cars by 2035?
tim dillon
Yeah, their whole argument is now that the fires are here and people realize that it's a problem, blah, blah, blah.
joe rogan
That's true.
tim dillon
There's a political will.
joe rogan
But listen, you've got to fix what you haven't fixed first.
tim dillon
Agreed.
joe rogan
You know, I mean...
tim dillon
Well, the other thing is, you know, they pass a carbon tax in New York City and Ubers started costing a lot more money.
A lot of people in New York City used Uber pools to get to work because the subway in New York, which is an old legacy system, doesn't always run efficiently.
So people that were going to work in Ubers and especially the Uber pool feature, it was very cheap.
They instituted a carbon tax and a congestion tax.
All of a sudden, the Uber rates went up.
And now people were unable, couldn't afford to get to work.
So it's like, yes, you're helping the environment, but you're damning people in that respect.
joe rogan
Here's my favorite thing they just passed.
They're allowing transgender inmates to go to the prison of the gender they choose.
So violent male sex offenders who decided they're trans can go to women's prisons.
tim dillon
That's going to work out well.
joe rogan
There's no way that's going to be bad.
tim dillon
No, no one will abuse that.
joe rogan
Bridget Phetasy sent me a thread on Twitter where this journalist goes over all of the issues that they've had with people turning trans in Canada and doing this and all the horrible people that have gotten into female prisons.
tim dillon
Abusing it.
joe rogan
And the difference between female prisons and male prisons is about how much more violent male prisons are.
And how horrific.
tim dillon
Aren't female prisons violent?
joe rogan
Barely.
tim dillon
Well, that is disappointing.
I see some of the women going in there, and I'd like to believe that they're violent.
joe rogan
I think some of them are not violent.
tim dillon
Damn it.
I just want equality, Joe.
joe rogan
Well, equality of violence?
tim dillon
Yeah, I just want equality of violence.
joe rogan
It's not going to happen.
tim dillon
I want women out there beating the shit out of each other, throwing each other.
joe rogan
It's mostly pillow fights.
Yeah, they're in their underwear.
tim dillon
Are they just talking shit about each other?
joe rogan
They're just waiting for guys to come and fuck them.
tim dillon
Yeah, that's girls' prison.
It's just pillow fights and cattiness.
joe rogan
It's all OnlyFans counts.
What percentage has OnlyFans grown during the pandemic?
tim dillon
Massively.
Well, everyone's become a whore.
I mean, everyone...
People that were one or two steps...
I didn't know how many people were one step away from legitimate prostitution.
I have told several of my friends that are better looking than me, be a whore.
Like, do it, because there's no jobs.
joe rogan
Christina Paziski was explaining this to me.
unidentified
Yeah.
joe rogan
Her and Tom are moving out here, by the way.
tim dillon
Yeah.
joe rogan
And they were out here the other day.
We went to dinner, and she was telling me that Aaron Carter...
Is that his name?
tim dillon
Yeah.
joe rogan
The singer with the tattoos on his face?
tim dillon
He has a little meth thing.
joe rogan
He's got an OnlyFans account, and he jerks off in front of people.
tim dillon
Well, listen...
joe rogan
Makes a lot of money, apparently.
tim dillon
Good for him.
His career's been not great.
joe rogan
She said it in front of my kids, though.
She's like, J and his D. That's what she said in front of my kids.
So he's J and his D. Yeah, on OnlyFans.
And I'm like, well, no one knows what that means.
tim dillon
Well, there...
I mean...
It's one of the only jobs left.
joe rogan
My 12-year-old's eyes are lighting up.
tim dillon
Listen, you're either a cam girl or you're instigating a race war.
Those are the jobs.
Those are your two jobs in America.
joe rogan
There it is.
Oh, Aaron Carter is now doing porn.
Former child pop star, recently joined Cam Soda.
Oh, same shit.
So he was a former child pop star.
Well, they're real new.
tim dillon
Yeah, Aaron...
I mean, these face tattoos.
I mean, you see everybody in LA with them.
A lot of these young kids have them.
Yeah, a lot.
Well, not everyone, but a lot of these kids in LA have them, and they just...
joe rogan
Okay, so you had an OnlyFans.
tim dillon
His brother was in the Backstreet Boys.
joe rogan
Can you not do porn on OnlyFans?
jamie vernon
You can do whatever you want, really, but most people use it for...
joe rogan
27 bucks a month.
Look at him holding his pecker.
tim dillon
People get on OnlyFans because they want a reasoned discourse.
unidentified
Whoa, whoa, whoa.
joe rogan
What is this?
72 bucks?
Oh, for three months.
What is the most a gal can charge?
jamie vernon
You can get a lot, and I've seen people then explaining how this whole system works for them.
It's not pyramid scheme, but if I got you guys to both sign up for a certain amount of time, I'd get shares of your money, too.
tim dillon
What?
jamie vernon
It's like incentives for growing.
joe rogan
Really?
tim dillon
It's a pyramid scheme.
joe rogan
So he got a bunch of his other buddies to J their Ds in front of people.
tim dillon
That's what pimps used to say to hookers.
They'd be like, find a few of your friends.
This is Ghislaine Maxwell.
There's no difference.
jamie vernon
He's got 122 posts to look at if you feel excited enough.
joe rogan
Wow, how many fans does he have?
jamie vernon
It doesn't tell you that part, I guess.
Oh, he's private.
joe rogan
Keeps it private.
tim dillon
Not safe for work content.
joe rogan
1,200.
1,200, that's it?
jamie vernon
I don't know if this is better than doing Cameo.
joe rogan
Okay, well let's think.
tim dillon
It's not.
Cameo is horrible.
joe rogan
So he's basically making somewhere in the neighborhood of $30,000 a month.
jamie vernon
Jay and his D. Sure.
joe rogan
$1,200?
$2.27?
tim dillon
That is not bad.
joe rogan
It's not that bad.
tim dillon
It's not bad.
joe rogan
It's better than working.
Listen, if he had to work a job, but he had that thing on his face, and people are like, you're the guy who jays his D for 27 a month.
They get mad.
tim dillon
Go back to doing that.
unidentified
Hey, shut up.
joe rogan
I'm just trying to work.
tim dillon
But it's amazing how that, during the pandemic, because everyone's home, nobody's doing anything.
I guess everybody's just jerking off.
jamie vernon
He also sings and plays guitar in the nude.
joe rogan
Oh, nice.
Dancing, fan Q&As, other sultry activities that you'd expect.
tim dillon
I love that he's playing guitar in the nude.
He's still trying to hold on to it.
You know what I mean?
He's like, I got a new song.
And everyone's like, buddy.
joe rogan
Let me see your asshole.
tim dillon
That's not what this is.
Spread your cheeks.
He's like, I wrote this about...
Yeah, no one cares.
joe rogan
Can you fit the neck in your asshole, please?
I paid money.
I paid American money for this.
tim dillon
Yeah, it'd be very disappointing to pay for his OnlyFans.
And then he's strumming a guitar.
joe rogan
Maybe the music's really good.
tim dillon
It's not.
joe rogan
How do you know?
tim dillon
I'm guessing it's not, Joe.
joe rogan
He throws a fit in court after ordered to forfeit guns.
jamie vernon
500 of them he was forced to.
joe rogan
Oh my god!
A result of his sister, what does it say?
Scroll back up.
Sister winning a restraining order case.
Oh, well that's not good.
He's threatening his fucking sister.
tim dillon
A lot of these people that get famous very young, it's a rough road.
joe rogan
It is unmanageable.
tim dillon
Yeah.
joe rogan
I don't know anybody who's managed it.
Miley Cyrus was on the podcast a couple weeks ago, and I told her, I said, you've done it about as good as you could do it.
She's got a lot of barriers up, though.
You can tell.
tim dillon
She's been through it.
joe rogan
You can't get that famous that young.
She's 12 years old playing arenas.
How the fuck?
tim dillon
It's crazy.
joe rogan
Yeah, man.
I mean, I just...
And it was funny, her talking about it on the show, that was it her mom or her grandma was saying, well, it's better than her being in LA doing drugs.
Like, what?
tim dillon
Why is that the choice?
joe rogan
Or better than being back home doing drugs.
tim dillon
Well, I guess they felt like this is her ticket out of the life, but it was never going to be her life.
Her dad was a famous country music star.
joe rogan
Her voice is so harsh.
tim dillon
She's got a great, she's a phenomenal talent.
joe rogan
Oh, my God.
She's amazing.
I mean, her talking voice is so harsh.
tim dillon
Yeah.
It sounds like mine a little.
joe rogan
It's rougher.
tim dillon
Wow.
joe rogan
Oh, yeah.
unidentified
No.
joe rogan
Yes.
tim dillon
Than mine?
joe rogan
You want to play it?
Let's play some of it.
tim dillon
Play some of her voice.
joe rogan
Play some of it.
Listen, and by the way, I should say this.
I'm not knocking her.
I'm a fan.
She's great.
And people are like, oh, Spotify, man, you put Miley Cyrus on!
No, I fucking love Miley Cyrus.
tim dillon
Right.
joe rogan
I really do.
unidentified
I'm a giant...
You look up exactly what it stands for.
tim dillon
Oh my Jesus Christ.
unidentified
I don't remember this.
joe rogan
That's it.
She's a 45-year-old waitress in Florida.
miley cyrus
It's kind of like an x-ray, and it kind of shows you almost like in those thermal-type colors of the activity of your brain.
unidentified
There we go.
joe rogan
Wow.
She had operation on her throat.
tim dillon
Can she still sing?
joe rogan
Was it polyps?
Oh, yeah.
unidentified
Like an angel.
tim dillon
She can still kill, right?
joe rogan
Like an angel.
tim dillon
Yeah, great.
Well, that's good.
joe rogan
Dude, I listened to her music before.
I told her this.
I showed her an image of me before I filmed my Netflix special.
I was listening to her song, Malibu, and dancing around backstage.
unidentified
Wow.
joe rogan
Gets my mind off of comedy.
tim dillon
Yeah, what are you going to do?
Yeah, absolutely.
joe rogan
I'm just trying to lose myself in it.
And I've been a big fan of hers for a long time.
I think she's...
Fucking super talented, man.
Her voice is beautiful.
tim dillon
Yeah.
joe rogan
You ever heard her cover of Jolene?
tim dillon
It's amazing.
joe rogan
Fuck, man.
tim dillon
It's great.
joe rogan
It's so good, man.
It's so good.
tim dillon
Let's hope she's not on OnlyFans in two years.
joe rogan
Vocal cord surgery will require weeks of silence to recover.
And this was in 2019. Yeah.
tim dillon
All we need Trump to do is like, I was going to say have vocal cord surgery, but his biggest thing is Twitter, so it doesn't matter.
You can't.
I mean, you couldn't.
That's what's great about Donald Trump.
He could lose his voice.
And it wouldn't matter.
He could still inflame people with just his fingers.
joe rogan
Yeah.
tim dillon
You have to cut his hands off.
joe rogan
It would maybe even be better if he had one of those Joe Biden.
tim dillon
The debate is tomorrow night.
joe rogan
That's so ridiculous.
tim dillon
It's crazy!
joe rogan
Are you going to be here?
You're doing a show.
tim dillon
I'm doing a show in San Antonio tomorrow night.
There's a few tickets left, but I just added it because I said I just want to do a show while I'm here and everything in Austin is RIP Cap City.
Grey Club is not open.
joe rogan
I'm hoping we can bring it back.
tim dillon
Wow.
joe rogan
I'm going to open up a club here.
I hope you do, yeah.
I'm just in the middle of a lot of things.
I'm in the middle of a lot of things.
I'm working on a lot of stuff.
I've got a lot of things happening.
But that will be one of the things that I'm going to work on.
tim dillon
That would be great.
I mean, none of us know when the store is opening.
joe rogan
Nobody knows anything about anything in L.A. My concern is I don't want, there's a bunch of things.
I don't want anybody getting sick.
tim dillon
Of course.
joe rogan
I want to be able to do it where, you know, the people who work there, waitstaff and folks can be safe and can make a living.
There have been talks about promising vaccines that are, they're showing promise.
tim dillon
There's four in trial.
unidentified
Yeah.
tim dillon
Moderna, AstraZeneca.
joe rogan
Johnson& Johnson, is that one of them?
tim dillon
I believe that's one of them.
And then Pfizer.
There's a few that are...
And I spoke to a doctor who said they all seem...
Their safety ratings are good, but their effectiveness is...
That's what's going to be debatable.
But he did say it's better to have safe vaccines.
It may not work as well because you could always get other ones instead of ones that have all these other problems.
joe rogan
Oh, Jesus, Jamie.
Vaccine trial stopped after neurological Simpson detective.
Listen, I'm glad he's telling us the truth.
tim dillon
Can you go back to Iron Carter's dick?
We're trying to be positive.
Jesus!
joe rogan
A drug maker says it halted a coronavirus vaccine study because a woman who received the experimental shot developed severe neurological symptoms.
tim dillon
Jesus!
Alright, no vaccines.
Sorry.
joe rogan
Here's the thing.
If it's a trial...
tim dillon
I don't want the vaccine.
joe rogan
I'd let everyone else get it.
There's only one person that gets that out of a hundred people that are on the trial.
tim dillon
You gotta do it.
joe rogan
When you ramp that shit up to millions, though, you got thousands and thousands of people that are fucked.
tim dillon
The way I feel about it is I would like everyone else to get it.
The vaccine.
Because when everyone says we need a vaccine, no one's thinking about getting it themselves.
joe rogan
My manager, her dad got the Lyme disease vaccine back in the Dizay, and it gave him Lyme disease.
tim dillon
Jeez.
joe rogan
Yeah, they stopped doing it.
They stopped doing it.
I think they deny that it gave people Lyme disease, but he got fucked up from this vaccine.
tim dillon
Yeah, interesting.
joe rogan
No, it's actually a coincidence.
You actually got Lyme disease right before we gave you the vaccine.
Sorry.
tim dillon
We didn't mean it.
Really sorry.
Vaccines are creepy.
I've never gotten a flu vaccine.
I've never gotten the flu.
joe rogan
I wanted to ask you this.
I'm glad we brought this up.
Robert Kennedy Jr. Yeah.
Crazy?
Legit?
Anti-vaxxer?
Pro-vaxxer?
tim dillon
I would take what he says and literally think about it.
I've heard him speak.
I mean, he has that disease with his voice.
joe rogan
What's his voice, Alan?
tim dillon
I don't know, but there's some very rare disease he has, I believe, with his voice.
He just doesn't like vaccines.
I mean, listen, there's a lot of credible people That not saying all vaccines are bad, but saying that there are real problems with certain vaccines and the amount of vaccines that kids are getting.
They're getting a lot of vaccines in a very short period of time.
joe rogan
So he was on Mike Tyson recently.
unidentified
Yeah.
joe rogan
Let's listen to him.
robert f kennedy-jr
You know, my grandfather and grandmother were, Joseph Kennedy and Rose Kennedy were major figures in my life.
joe rogan
Imagine you're on Mike Tyson's hotbox and you're high as fuck and you're talking to this guy like this.
unidentified
Yeah, yeah, yeah.
joe rogan
So that's how he talks?
Is that Chris Delita, right?
tim dillon
Right.
Chris Elias found a job.
joe rogan
Isn't it interesting that he's doing Mike Tyson's show?
jamie vernon
I watched this stuff.
At the end of it, he says he's not an anti-vaxxer.
joe rogan
No, I don't think he is.
jamie vernon
I think people are doing that.
I read that and thought it too.
joe rogan
The thing about vaccines is like the thing about all medication and basically everything.
Right.
There's a certain number of people.
If you make things mandatory, like if you make everyone have to take a vaccine, think about there's 300-whatever-million people, and most of them have been vaccinated.
You're going to have a lot of people that have problems.
tim dillon
Right.
joe rogan
That's just a sheer numbers issue.
tim dillon
Yeah, it's just going to be a big issue.
joe rogan
And if you look at the vaccine court, like how many settlements – and by the way, I should say right away, I'm pro-vaccine.
I've been vaccinated.
My kid's been vaccinated.
unidentified
Right.
tim dillon
Right.
joe rogan
But I know people who have had problems.
And I know people whose children have been vaccinated who said that immediately Ron Funches was talking about it.
And he's like, I don't know if that's what caused it.
But right away, my kid shut down.
And we noticed it.
It was instant.
And we thought he would come back.
And he never came back.
He was different before.
And he's not the only one that I've talked to.
tim dillon
There's a lot of concerns about things like that happening.
joe rogan
But they don't know if this was something that was inevitably going to happen or if the vaccines were a catalyst.
But vaccine courts have paid out money to a large number of people.
Does that mean vaccines are bad?
No, vaccines are the reason why most people are living.
Yeah, the reason why we haven't died from fucking smallpox and syphilis and all the other diseases.
Syphilis?
They have a vaccine for syphilis?
tim dillon
I don't know if they have a syphilis vaccine.
joe rogan
I think that $4.2 billion has been awarded as of October 2019. Wow.
tim dillon
It's just one of those things I think where...
joe rogan
That's from vaccines.
Vaccine court.
tim dillon
People know so little about it and people are very uncomfortable because a lot of the...
joe rogan
Scroll up and see what that means.
No, you're right.
Well, it's scary.
jamie vernon
I was breaking it down by ear.
That was just so I could get you the biggest number overall.
This is just the Wikipedia for...
joe rogan
For vaccine compensation.
National Vaccine Injury Compensation Program.
jamie vernon
That's what he was talking about, which is what he got into.
He's still a lawyer and he's fighting this fight.
joe rogan
This is the thing.
It's not that we shouldn't vaccinate because if we didn't vaccinate all these fucking kids that are getting the mumps now and measles and all these different serious diseases that can really fuck people up.
tim dillon
They're coming back.
joe rogan
They're coming back because people don't want to vaccinate their kids.
tim dillon
Right.
joe rogan
It's fucking complicated, man.
Like most things that involve people, they're very complicated.
Right.
tim dillon
Yeah, but I think that a lot of people are, you know, because with coronavirus, they are just skeptical because the whole thing has been just handled poorly and nobody knows what's going on and the information is so bad and nobody trusts anybody anymore.
The idea that you're just going to show up to CVS and somebody's going to just shoot you in the arm with this synthetic coronavirus, people don't.
People are kind of, that's scary.
joe rogan
It's not even a synthetic coronavirus.
Whatever the hell it is.
I don't know what it is.
They're called mRNA vaccines.
It's a vaccine that stimulates the production of certain proteins that will fight off the coronavirus.
tim dillon
Okay.
joe rogan
So it's not like you're getting an inert version of the virus like every other vaccine.
So, okay, well, now we got a whole new fucking thing.
tim dillon
Now it's a whole other problem.
joe rogan
It's a whole new one.
This is a new thing.
tim dillon
Well, people just are uncomfortable with all information being disseminated right now.
It's just, you know, up for debate.
You have people that are screaming at each other going, this is the thing.
I read an article the other day that said vaccines are on their way.
The next article said there'll never be a vaccine.
I don't know what to think.
I'm reasonably intelligent and I don't know what to think.
A lot of this country is not reasonably intelligent.
So they don't necessarily, like, I don't blame them for being skeptical and being a little scared and going, you know what?
I'll take my chances out there instead of getting a shot in the arm in a Walgreens They vaccinate you in like a shitty pharmacy.
You're buying like eggs and you get a shot and they say good luck.
And who's doing it?
Somebody making minimum wage who has no idea what they're doing?
joe rogan
Yeah.
tim dillon
Yeah, it's a little terrifying.
joe rogan
Yeah.
tim dillon
I'll take my chances.
Take my chance with coronavirus.
jamie vernon
The next part, which I've heard, not to get conspiracy on this part, but I've heard the word nano getting added to RNA and vaccine stuff.
tim dillon
Oh, the nano chips!
That's a problem.
joe rogan
Bill Gates!
tim dillon
Bill Gates!
jamie vernon
He's inaccurate, but I don't know what's accurate or what's not accurate.
joe rogan
Boy, nobody took a bigger hit during this coronavirus lockdown than Bill Gates.
He became a villain.
tim dillon
I don't think he's a villain, but I also think that...
Listen, we're living in a time now of Batman-era...
We're like, these guys have billions and billions and trillions of dollars.
joe rogan
I don't think he's a villain.
tim dillon
I'm not saying he's a villain.
joe rogan
I don't think he's a villain at all.
tim dillon
I'm not saying he's a villain.
joe rogan
Listen, but here's what's fucked.
Bill Gates has done more for humanity than most rich people would ever imagine doing.
That guy's built schools and wells and helped people get educated.
tim dillon
Sure.
joe rogan
Look, him and his wife, the Gates Foundation, they've done a tremendous amount of positive work.
But what I'm saying is...
unidentified
They have.
tim dillon
But he's wading into the controversial waters of the vaccine.
Listen.
joe rogan
But what I'm saying is that during this pandemic, he's become a villain for the first time ever in his 70s.
tim dillon
Only because he wants to deliver people the mark of the beast.
That's all.
That's the only reason people are upset with him is because he wants to deliver people the mark of the beast.
joe rogan
And damn them forever now.
tim dillon
But listen, when he goes, listen.
You got to expect a certain amount of discussion when you are the guy inserting yourself into this very kind of volatile debate about public health and you're telling people they need to be vaccinated to travel and these are the standards that you want people to adapt.
Listen, man, he could have just been a billionaire that swam in his fucking pool.
joe rogan
Why do you think he talked about that, like telling people that they need to be vaccinated?
tim dillon
I guess if you give him the benefit of the doubt, he wants to help people, I guess.
joe rogan
Let's not give him the benefit of the doubt.
tim dillon
Okay, if we don't give him the benefit of the doubt, we'll say that he wants the world to look exactly like he thinks there's necessary and unnecessary things.
He thinks that he should be in charge of people's health, public health, or that he thinks that a group of scientists or him and his foundation should be in charge of public health.
joe rogan
His foundation?
Really?
tim dillon
No, I mean, listen, there's also billions and trillions of dollars to be made off some of these vaccines.
joe rogan
Is he making money off vaccines?
tim dillon
I don't know what he's doing, but I'm telling you.
joe rogan
He has so much money.
Why does he need more money?
tim dillon
Why does anyone need more money?
I don't think he's doing it for money.
I'm not saying he's an evil guy.
I'm saying that we cannot write a blank check to anybody.
joe rogan
I feel like you're saying he's an evil guy.
tim dillon
We cannot write a blank check to anybody.
We can't write a blank check, Joe, to anyone.
joe rogan
Look at him.
That's in 2015. That's when he planned it.
Listen, I don't trust anybody who wears an outfit.
This fucking sweater with the t-shirt underneath it.
tim dillon
Can I just say this and I'm being totally serious?
joe rogan
The button shirt underneath it.
tim dillon
Him and Dr. Fauci created AIDS. That's all I'll say.
That's all I'm going to say.
joe rogan
But why?
unidentified
You know, people fuck around.
joe rogan
Just for fun?
tim dillon
And they created AIDS, so that's the only reason I'm a little skeptical.
No, but in all seriousness, our society shouldn't be structured where one guy stands at.
Because, by the way, in order to travel and go places and open your businesses, here's what you need to do.
And we talked about that in the beginning of the show, about the government doing it.
Why is it better if a private billionaire is doing it?
joe rogan
But here's the thing.
Why are we listening to him talk about public health issues?
tim dillon
Yeah, it's a great question.
joe rogan
He's the guy who founded Microsoft.
tim dillon
Phenomenal question.
That's a great question.
joe rogan
Is it just because he's rich?
tim dillon
He has an interest in it.
joe rogan
What if I stepped up and started telling everyone, it's time to get vaccinated.
Everyone's got to get vaccinated.
People would be like, hey, hey, hey.
tim dillon
Relax.
joe rogan
You're a fucking comedian and a cage fighting commentator.
Why are you telling everybody to get vaccinated?
tim dillon
That's why I don't tell people to vote.
joe rogan
Why is he doing it?
tim dillon
Well, that's why people are a little suspicious.
He's stepping out of his lane.
joe rogan
Plus that sweater with the shirt on me.
tim dillon
The sweater, the creating of AIDS, the mark of the beast, all of it's a problem.
joe rogan
There was a great...
Somebody made a great meme.
tim dillon
He wanted to shoot, and I've said this before in the show, he wanted to shoot a missile of dust in the sun to help climate change.
joe rogan
I heard about that.
tim dillon
When you have the capability to do that type of shit, someone's got to check.
No one's checking him.
joe rogan
You know why I don't trust him?
tim dillon
No one checks Bill Gates.
joe rogan
You know why I don't trust him?
tim dillon
Why?
joe rogan
Because he talks shit about Tesla.
tim dillon
Oh, did he?
joe rogan
Yeah.
tim dillon
Interesting.
And him and Warren Buffett, that other fraud, Warren Buffett's like, oh, I live in my little house I've always lived in, and I drink Cokes.
unidentified
He does.
tim dillon
He's a trillionaire.
He's a cold-blooded trillionaire.
God love him.
But stop with the act.
unidentified
He lives in the little house.
tim dillon
Stop with that's an act.
He has a military base under the house.
Stop with this fucking act.
unidentified
I eat Dairy Queen and all this horse shit.
tim dillon
You've got $80 billion.
Can you stop with the horse shit?
joe rogan
He lives in a small house and he drinks Coca-Cola.
tim dillon
I'm sure.
It's not that small.
joe rogan
It's small for a guy who's worth $80 billion.
tim dillon
But those are the guys you gotta watch.
unidentified
I want my billionaires in palaces like Donny T. That's a nice little house.
tim dillon
I want my billionaires living like Trump in a gold apartment.
joe rogan
Well, listen, he's a cheap fuck.
He likes to keep the same house.
unidentified
I know.
tim dillon
What about that?
Go there.
A sneak peek.
Go down, Jamie.
joe rogan
To the left.
Yeah, it's a beautiful little house.
tim dillon
A sneak peek.
What is that?
A sneak peek into Warren Buffett's what?
jamie vernon
His other house.
joe rogan
Hey, he's got other houses, this motherfucker.
tim dillon
Whatever.
joe rogan
How many houses you got, Warren?
tim dillon
But him and Gates are such good friends because they're both doing this thing where they're like, we're just little old men.
I'm just saying everybody's got to get watched.
joe rogan
I understand.
tim dillon
Everybody's got to be watched by me.
joe rogan
I think you should think that people are watching when you open your trap and tell everybody they've got to get vaccinated.
tim dillon
People are not predisposed to trusting billionaires delivering them edicts.
I don't want an edict from anybody, from the government, from a billionaire.
I don't want anyone to go, here's what you have to do.
Explain to me why.
Tell me why it's beneficial.
And then, by the way, even still, give me the freedom to do it or not.
joe rogan
So here's what he said about Elon and Tesla.
He was saying that this Tesla truck thing, that building semis is not likely because of the fact that the batteries are very heavy.
And Elon's like, you don't know what the fuck you're talking about.
We're already doing it.
They're already deep.
They have 500-mile semi trucks.
They're already operational.
They're a year away from implementing them nationwide.
They have them.
unidentified
Right.
joe rogan
Have you seen a Tesla Semi?
tim dillon
Yes.
joe rogan
Yeah, they exist.
Right.
So he's talking about it's not likely planes and...
Between SpaceX, Tesla...
What is he saying?
jamie vernon
Oh, this is actually an old video.
tim dillon
Well, all these billionaires have egos.
They all fight each other.
joe rogan
Okay, good day.
What's your opinion about Bill Gates' decorations referred to electric trucks?
Regards.
He has no clue.
Yeah, he doesn't have a clue.
Look, Elon balls deep into that world.
unidentified
Yeah.
joe rogan
And then Elon's also mad because Bill Gates bought a Porsche.
Tycan.
Oh, interesting.
The electric Porsche.
And he said, like after he bought that, Bill Gates said, or Elon said, I've been underwhelmed when I talked to him.
tim dillon
Oh, that's funny.
Well, you know the whole thing is that these guys have egos and everybody wants to...
Just give me a little info before you put a chip in my arm, please.
joe rogan
There's a company that we were watching the video, they put chips in people's arms so they could use a vending machine.
tim dillon
Yeah, see, I don't think that's good.
And a lot of Americans, they'll go for that.
joe rogan
What if they fire you?
They turn your chip off.
tim dillon
Well, they're going to do that.
I mean, they're going to do that.
I mean, this is going to happen.
joe rogan
They cut it out?
tim dillon
Yeah, well, they can deactivate you.
joe rogan
They hold you down and cut your chip out.
You have two choices, Tim.
Keep that chip in your arm for the rest of your life, and it's just inert.
But we'll still track you.
We have to track you.
Right.
Or...
tim dillon
Well, Spotify chipped me on the way in, which I thought was...
joe rogan
They told me they weren't going to do that anymore.
tim dillon
They just did a chip in my neck when I walked in.
joe rogan
They told me they weren't going to do that anymore.
tim dillon
I was like, okay.
joe rogan
Well, they knew that you talk shit on trannies.
tim dillon
They do.
They said he's...
Only...
I like the Republican ones.
I love Caitlyn Jenner.
I love...
If you're a transgender person, you're against gay marriage, I'm already a fan.
joe rogan
I think I fucked up by saying tranny.
You can't even say that anymore.
tim dillon
You can't say it.
Even though trannies call each other trannies.
joe rogan
They do.
tim dillon
And gay people call gay people faggots, but you can't say that!
joe rogan
Don't say it!
tim dillon
Don't say it!
joe rogan
You can say it because you're gay.
tim dillon
Yes, but if...
joe rogan
You get a pass.
tim dillon
But I look too racist to say it.
joe rogan
My wife still doesn't believe you're gay.
She says you're just doing that just for the jokes.
tim dillon
We had a meeting at WME, and they said, we've got to figure something out.
And I said, what can we try?
And they said, gay guy who's kind of like uncomfortable and says like the wrong things.
And I said, let's try it out.
And I told my wife who lives in Jersey with our three kids who I send money home to every week.
She's a lovely woman, slightly larger, but working on it.
And, you know, we're just making the money, you know?
But, well, it's just the gay in the media is like, gays become annoying now.
Yeah.
Everybody's annoyed because gay people are like, Yertz!
You better be!
And it's like, shut up!
Nobody wants...
It's supposed to be fun!
joe rogan
They miss the will and grace gay.
tim dillon
They've become moralists.
joe rogan
Right.
tim dillon
It takes all the fun out of it.
You're not supposed to take balls out of your mouth and tell people how to live.
That's really the reality.
That's the reality!
joe rogan
They miss the queer eye for the straight guy type of gay.
tim dillon
Yeah, well they...
joe rogan
That's a fun gay.
tim dillon
Well, yeah, because now the gays are bookish and angry and they're in Antifa.
And they're angry.
And it's just like, it's not fun.
It's supposed to be a little fun, a little dirty and naughty and wrong.
That's the whole fun thing about everything.
joe rogan
Naughty.
tim dillon
It's not supposed to be, you know, Norman Rockwell.
Like, I'm sure that you listen.
You could do it.
You could have the family.
You could do anything you want.
But part of what is fun about...
Be gay is that it's not like a fucking...
You're not sitting there...
Like when they have the transgender drag queen reading to the kids, I'm like, great, I don't care about that, but it's also like, why are you doing that?
It's horrible and not fun.
joe rogan
Yeah.
tim dillon
Nobody wants to read to kids in a library.
Nobody.
joe rogan
What do you think has happened?
Do you think it's because on Twitter and social media, people can say things and get likes so that they make these statements and they feel like they did a good job in making that statement and a lot of people, it resonated with them.
tim dillon
People are just...
People are very invested in being a victim.
So when gay people started to mainstream and you got marriage and you got this and that, you weren't really a victim anymore.
So then what happened is people started saying queer and this and that and we're very different and now we don't...
And so now a lot of these non-binary people with all due respect is that A lot of these people are white women in upper middle class colleges like Wesleyan and Oberlin and places like that who don't want to be a victim.
I mean, they don't want to be an oppressor, but they're rich white chicks.
So by saying I'm non-binary, you're automatically now, you're not in...
The hierarchy of oppression anymore.
You've been victimized by a gender patriarchy that has enforced these things on you.
And that might, non-binary, it might stick.
Great.
I have no problem.
I don't care.
But it also might be like bell-bottoms.
Like, 20 years from now, a guy might be like, yeah, your mother had no gender in college.
She was a nut.
She used to burn down the federal courthouses in Seattle.
joe rogan
What did Douglas Murray say about, call them the really need attention people?
tim dillon
He's funny because he makes so many people mad.
He's always just sitting there.
joe rogan
He's the best.
unidentified
He's just a very large and he just says, you know, Joe, let me say a few things and we'll be in the news in four minutes.
joe rogan
He's brilliant.
His book, The Madness of Crowds, is fucking fantastic because he nails it all.
All the craziness is going on.
tim dillon
A lot of it's just weird generational because older gay people don't understand this, a lot of them.
joe rogan
Oh, no, they don't.
unidentified
They don't get it.
tim dillon
They don't get it.
It's like Palm Springs, those gay guys.
joe rogan
Those gay guys!
tim dillon
No one took COVID less seriously than gay people that had money.
Like, they were all buff, these buff guys walking around.
No masks.
They took it less seriously than people that watch Infowars.
Like, they were like, this is fake.
They survived HIV. They're like, we all beat AIDS by lifting weights.
No one cares.
We're not fucking taking COVID seriously.
So this whole idea, they don't understand.
They'll be very honest.
They go, I don't understand.
They go, what do you mean gender is not real?
The whole point of my life is that gender is real and I wasn't attracted to that gender.
joe rogan
Yeah.
tim dillon
That's the whole point.
joe rogan
Yeah.
tim dillon
So at the end of the day, like, what do you mean that's not real?
So I've just been an idiot forever?
I just wanted to get beat up at school and then have to join a gym and get buffed.
Like, what are we doing?
joe rogan
That gender's not real thing is so dumb.
tim dillon
It's like space is fake, the thing you bring up.
It's the same idea.
joe rogan
It is the same thing.
tim dillon
It's sick.
We're in trouble.
unidentified
Who cares?
tim dillon
No one cares.
This is the other thing.
I think people are so invested that people hate them and people care.
No one cares.
No one cares about your life.
No one cares if you want to be a man or a woman.
Nobody gives a shit about anything.
Nobody cares about anything.
Truly, they care about if there's a line at Chick-fil-A and if their water bill's paid.
They don't give a shit about your life.
But this idea that people are oppressing you and they're constantly invested and they're hunting and they're behind the trees and they're coming for you.
No one gives a shit.
Yes, there are small, motivated groups of people that want to restrict your rights.
But by and large, most people, they might be like, oh, that's weird.
Or that's a little odd.
But they're not fuming with hatred at you.
joe rogan
No.
No.
They're not.
And it makes people feel powerful or worthy if someone is.
unidentified
Yes.
tim dillon
Yes.
I want to be hated for the right reasons.
joe rogan
You are.
tim dillon
Yes.
And I believe I am.
joe rogan
I think you are.
tim dillon
You know, when I used to say I was gay on stage, people would be shocked.
Now sometimes people start clapping.
joe rogan
Oh, you don't want that.
tim dillon
I don't say it anymore.
You know what I say and said?
joe rogan
What?
tim dillon
I say, Ruth Bader Ginsburg's burning in hell.
Because I want that reaction.
I'd rather that reaction.
unidentified
Uh...
tim dillon
I've chosen another way to say it.
joe rogan
It's a fun time to be bad.
tim dillon
Yeah.
joe rogan
It's a fun time to say ridiculous shit.
Because even though there's a lot of blowback, there's also a lot of people that get really happy that you're doing it.
tim dillon
Yeah.
joe rogan
Because there's not enough people that are pushing back.
tim dillon
A lot of people aren't.
And the people that come out to these shows, they've been having so much fun because they want this.
This is what they want.
unidentified
Yeah.
Yeah.
tim dillon
Everybody wants somebody to push back and do it in a funny way that everyone can enjoy.
And that's what I think we need to do.
joe rogan
They want people that are free to express themselves because they're not.
Most people are not.
tim dillon
Yeah, most people are not.
And also let Hollywood go in this crazy direction they're going into.
Who gives a fuck?
We have all the tools to just create our own thing.
You've showed everyone that.
And it's just like people are over it.
People are over it.
What are you going to sit in a writer's room and write for some show?
joe rogan
Did you see that Emmys shit?
tim dillon
Horrific.
joe rogan
Where Jimmy Kimmel and was it Anthony Anderson?
tim dillon
I don't know.
joe rogan
Who was it that he was with?
jamie vernon
I am checking.
I think that's what I did.
joe rogan
It was so weird.
tim dillon
It's weird.
joe rogan
That he said, yeah, this sounds good.
Yeah.
tim dillon
Yeah.
joe rogan
You know, you're supposed to clap here, Jimmy.
Say Black Lives Matter.
He says, Black Lives Matter.
Say it louder, Jimmy.
tim dillon
Yeah.
joe rogan
Black Lives Matter.
And he's like clapping.
I'm like, what are you doing?
tim dillon
Is it a parody?
I didn't know.
It's a hard thing.
And when you look at it, you're like, are they making fun of it?
It's weird.
joe rogan
They're trying to make it funny.
unidentified
Yeah.
joe rogan
It's just there's no audience.
unidentified
Right.
joe rogan
And they didn't try it out in front of an audience.
unidentified
Yeah.
tim dillon
Yeah.
joe rogan
That needed work.
I see what you were trying to do.
You've got some really good writers to do that, but you've got to take some chances.
There you go, Anthony Anderson.
jamie vernon
Jimmy Kimmel looks a little uncomfortable.
joe rogan
I think that's part of the sketch, though, is that he's supposed to kind of look uncomfortable.
That's part of the fun about it.
But it's just not good.
You needed someone to write something really funny.
tim dillon
Yeah.
joe rogan
And take a risk.
tim dillon
Well, comedy is supposed to live in those gray areas and there's no gray areas anymore.
So that's a real big problem.
That's a big problem.
That's a big problem.
joe rogan
Especially for anything corporate.
tim dillon
Louis made a good point.
He said that when you criticize both sides, you end up illustrating a deeper truth.
Which is about humanity, which is what comedy is supposed to do.
So if you look at two sides and go this and this, and you kind of try to make fun of them, and you have no sacred cows or whatever, you end up illustrating something deeper about humanity, which people can learn more from, and then reorient themselves in a productive way about any issue.
joe rogan
Yeah, that does make sense.
You have to be able to look at both sides.
In this day and age, that's not possible.
I should say it's not possible if you're on a corporate television show.
If you're on television, if you're doing a late night talk show, you got no shot, man.
And there's too many cooks in the kitchen.
tim dillon
And they're the worst.
I mean, they're just not funny.
They're very strange.
Jimmy Fallon does not look happy doing his show.
He looks like he's chained to that desk.
It's very strange.
He's talking to Muppets.
He's talking to Miss Piggy.
There's Muppets singing on the show.
It's dystopian.
joe rogan
It disturbs people.
They all look like they're running at high altitude.
tim dillon
Yeah.
joe rogan
There's not enough air in the room.
tim dillon
Get that kind of money.
And you say to yourself, like, I just want to stay...
I always wonder why those guys don't just jump ship and go make a movie.
Go do something else.
joe rogan
They can't make movies.
tim dillon
Yeah.
joe rogan
Because none of those guys, like Jimmy Fallon, they're not going to make movies of Jimmy Fallon.
tim dillon
Right.
joe rogan
I mean, maybe they can make a movie, but...
tim dillon
Go make an indie.
Go do something else.
joe rogan
The guys who make the movies are already making the movies, right?
unidentified
Right.
joe rogan
Seth Meyers, or Seth Rogen, rather.
He's making the movies.
Right.
These famous guys that are, you know...
Adam Sandler.
They're making movies.
tim dillon
Right.
joe rogan
For you to say, I've never made any movies before, but I've been a talk show host.
I want to make a movie.
That might work, but you've got a gig that pays you fucking $10 million a year.
unidentified
That's a good point.
Why risk it?
joe rogan
Stick with this gig.
What are you, stupid?
tim dillon
Why risk it?
joe rogan
Why risk it?
Well, maybe I'll just do a podcast.
Well, what are you going to say?
Wild shit on your podcast?
And then they're going to cancel you from your show.
tim dillon
Then you're in trouble.
joe rogan
Your podcast doesn't make enough money yet.
You can't do it.
tim dillon
What's amazing to me is nobody leaves.
Ellen's back.
Nobody walks away.
joe rogan
She's got hundreds of millions.
tim dillon
She's got so much money, but she's back.
She doesn't care.
She's back.
joe rogan
I think she wants to redeem herself.
tim dillon
That's probably true.
joe rogan
During the COVID, she got taken down harder than Bill Gates.
tim dillon
She did.
joe rogan
Bill Gates was here.
She got taken down.
But I think they'll forgive her.
tim dillon
By the way, if you were having a problem...
If you were in a car accident and everything like that, and you're just sitting there and you want somebody to help you, and you see Ellen and Bill Gates, does that make anyone feel comfortable?
joe rogan
No, I think they don't give a fuck if I die.
tim dillon
Let's be very honest.
If two of them were walking towards me, and I had a tire out, I would fake my own death.
Something on a guttural level, I go, ugh!
joe rogan
She dresses like an executive on Westworld, just waiting for you to die, watching you on the screen.
tim dillon
She's tough, man.
joe rogan
Is the Indian going to shoot him?
jamie vernon
Did you see a Vin Diesel song and they had the crowd dancing to Kelly Clarkson's show?
joe rogan
Don't tell me Vin Diesel's singing.
Don't you do it.
tim dillon
This is fake.
joe rogan
Don't you do it.
tim dillon
It's very bad.
joe rogan
The Emmys, who's that for right now?
Nobody.
Who's your target audience?
tim dillon
Nobody.
joe rogan
If you're sitting at home and you're an Emmys writer, who are we doing this for?
tim dillon
Not the 27 million people that are about to be evicted.
I'll tell you that.
That's not who it's for.
joe rogan
That is what's real too, right?
tim dillon
Yeah, that's what's real.
I mean, they should have not had it.
I think it's for young kids in high school that want to one day be on 30 Rock or a show like that, create a show like that.
joe rogan
Vin Diesel, this is on Kelly Clarkson's show?
jamie vernon
Yes, she's got a crowd with people.
They have screens flipped up vertically for the audience so she can see them and there's people at home like they're doing for the NBA games.
I guess Vin has a new song and...
joe rogan
Is he singing right now?
jamie vernon
No, I think he's talking to her.
And then they play it here for the audience.
joe rogan
Where is this?
unidentified
Yeah, right here.
jamie vernon
So they're showing.
This is the weird part where they must have told these people they all have to dance.
joe rogan
Okay, let me see what this is.
Give me a little bit of it.
Stop!
Stop.
I heard enough.
tim dillon
Horrible.
joe rogan
No, not as bad as Drew Barrymore's talk show.
tim dillon
How bad was it?
Everyone said it was horrible.
joe rogan
It doesn't even make sense.
tim dillon
What's wrong?
Is she on drugs?
What is it?
joe rogan
All of it.
I don't know.
The writing, the overacting, it's confusing, man.
Have you seen it, Jamie?
jamie vernon
There was some clip I saw that I think it might have been Tom and Christina put up.
It's so bad.
joe rogan
It's like, how did you let that slide through?
Someone needs to tell her.
I've heard her on talk shows, though.
tim dillon
Who let that?
She's nice.
joe rogan
She seems smart and funny and interesting on talk shows.
And then doing her own, she's over the top and really acty-outy.
tim dillon
Yeah, it's bad.
joe rogan
You want to hear a little bit of it?
Here we go.
unidentified
Pay your offer normally.
I just thought since you were closing soon anyway, and I just think your bosses should actually know what an amazing person you are, that you will simply not break the rules.
But then I was curious, has anyone else ever tried to find a clever way in when like the signs say no entry, so to speak?
I love receiving a no after I've tried everything.
joe rogan
That's enough.
tim dillon
Yeah, I mean...
joe rogan
All the good writers are dead.
tim dillon
They're all dead.
And this has got to die.
And they should...
I mean, at the end of the day, it's just...
That's why you should just...
It's just like podcast, Drew, and people like it.
joe rogan
But if she podcasted and just be herself...
tim dillon
Yeah, I think it would be better.
It would be much better.
joe rogan
She's doing stand-up there.
tim dillon
Well, she's trying to be very big and animated.
And no one...
Right.
Yeah.
joe rogan
But she hasn't done stand-up before.
tim dillon
It's crazy.
Yeah.
joe rogan
She's doing stand-up, but you haven't done stand-up.
tim dillon
She's another one who's been famous since she's two or something, right?
joe rogan
Oh, that's right.
tim dillon
So, I mean, it's like...
joe rogan
What was the ET? Was she on ET? Is that what she was on?
Oh my god.
tim dillon
She's been in the business forever.
joe rogan
That's so long ago.
tim dillon
Yeah.
joe rogan
That's so long ago.
tim dillon
Yeah.
I mean, that's where it ends.
joe rogan
That's 82?
tim dillon
This is a lesson for everybody in a theater arts class right now.
You could be Drew Barrymore doing that show or Aaron Carter jerking off.
Those are the two options.
joe rogan
Just wait until you're older.
You've got to develop a personality and go through some struggle and pay your own bills.
I just don't think it's right.
This is one of the things that I was talking with Miley Cyrus about.
tim dillon
I was a child actor as a kid and I failed.
joe rogan
Congratulations.
tim dillon
No, I was on Sesame Street three times.
joe rogan
Were you really?
tim dillon
Twice.
I was on Sesame Street.
You could...
I did the polka with Snuffleupagus.
Legitimately.
I was a child actor and I felt because I had the same voice I do now and it was disturbing to the casting director.
joe rogan
I'm glad it didn't work out.
tim dillon
I was a cute little kid, but I would be like, hello.
joe rogan
When did you give up?
tim dillon
I was from 6. First play was 6. 6 to 12. And then 12, that was it.
joe rogan
Thank God you gave up before your puberty kicked in.
tim dillon
Yeah, but I got out, but I was in that game, and I would audition against people like Jonathan Taylor Thomas, like real deal dudes who made it.
joe rogan
Whose idea was it for you to do that?
tim dillon
I really liked doing it, and I was really into it.
I wanted attention.
I wanted everything.
So my mother and father, boomers, they're like, fine, make a little money, pay our mortgage.
unidentified
Yeah.
tim dillon
You know what I mean?
They're Long Island scum.
Love them both.
joe rogan
I have a friend who got famous when he was young and his parents ripped him off.
tim dillon
Really?
joe rogan
Yeah, I found out later in life.
tim dillon
They would have done that to me too.
They would have absolutely taken everything, those two.
Yeah, they would have mismanaged it.
joe rogan
Didn't audit.
tim dillon
Yeah, they would have screwed it all up, both of them.
So I'm glad that it didn't work out for that sake because they would have taken all the money and blown it.
joe rogan
You wouldn't have been funny.
I'm glad it worked out because you gotta go through some shit.
You gotta live.
It's hard enough to be a person.
Just a grown person.
Everybody knows that.
It's hard to be a grown up.
It's really hard to be famous.
tim dillon
Right.
joe rogan
It's hard.
It's hard to manage it.
And it's way harder if you grow up famous.
tim dillon
Yeah.
joe rogan
Because you never had a reality.
You don't have a...
Oh, people know who I am now.
No, they always know who you are?
Well, you're fucked.
Because it's like cement, but you're mixing it wrong.
You've got too much water, and it's never going to harden.
You can't take the water out.
You're already fucked.
That's what it's like.
tim dillon
It's a difficult thing.
At your level, it's very difficult.
Somebody that's really well-known, it can be very difficult.
My level, it's kind of fun.
Because I get a few people in a restaurant go, hey man, that's fun.
joe rogan
Megan McCain!
tim dillon
Yeah, we're fans.
We like your podcast.
That's fun.
But then at your level, it gets a little invasive.
joe rogan
It gets weird.
tim dillon
It gets invasive.
joe rogan
I had a slow drip.
You know, I got it over a long time.
tim dillon
Right.
joe rogan
I've had a slow fame drip since 94. Right.
unidentified
You know?
tim dillon
Yeah.
And then now it's just this is a...
joe rogan
Yeah.
tim dillon
You can't go to an airport without people.
It's a whole thing.
joe rogan
It's a thing.
Yeah, it's a thing now.
tim dillon
And people come up to you.
I've been at the comedy store.
They run up to you and they're like, dude, let me just show you this video.
joe rogan
Well, they want me to do things with them.
unidentified
Yeah.
joe rogan
That's what's weird.
Like, I need you to help me with this project.
unidentified
Let me help you.
tim dillon
With this project!
joe rogan
Oh, dude, you'd be amazed.
The fucking number of people during the day that email me or get a hold of friends.
Like, hey, man, I don't want to get you this, but this guy wants to talk to you about this.
tim dillon
Yeah.
joe rogan
I mean, it's hundreds.
tim dillon
Yeah.
joe rogan
It's constant.
tim dillon
Yeah.
joe rogan
Because they think that they know, hey, you know that guy?
Hey.
tim dillon
Right.
joe rogan
I got this thing.
I've been trying to make this new kind of pickle.
Right.
Oh, shit.
tim dillon
Can you invest?
joe rogan
If I could just get a hold of him.
I've had no bullshit.
A thousand people asked me to invest in things.
tim dillon
What's the weirdest way someone's tried to get on the show?
Has there been weird ways?
unidentified
Oh, sure.
joe rogan
I don't know.
tim dillon
Somebody FedExed himself to the studio.
joe rogan
The beautiful thing about me not reading comments or anything like that is I don't have to read any of that.
And I have good people that filter out all that shit.
They've done Twitter campaigns.
Tweet at them.
Tweet at them.
Here he is.
tim dillon
So here he is.
This is me.
See, look at that.
Look at that.
I should have made it.
We just had to walk around Snuffleupagus.
joe rogan
How did you know it was Tim?
Was that you?
tim dillon
Yeah, it's me.
joe rogan
Come on.
tim dillon
Dancing with that small Hispanic woman.
joe rogan
Are you sure that's you?
tim dillon
That's absolutely me.
joe rogan
How do you know that's you?
tim dillon
It was MKUltraMindControl, but I had it.
unidentified
Therapists have done mental regression.
joe rogan
I want to see your little face.
tim dillon
I looked at for now, Jones.
joe rogan
It's all from the fucking bird's eye view.
Let me see.
I don't see shit.
I'm not buying it.
Wait a minute.
tim dillon
You can tell until I was starting to get fat.
I was starting to get chubby.
That is you.
You can tell I was starting to get chubby.
unidentified
That is you.
joe rogan
That's so weird.
What were you thinking right there?
tim dillon
Like, I'm really on TV. I was thinking that this is really not what I thought it was going to be.
joe rogan
Did you meet Snuffleupagus outside of the outfit or did they keep that a secret from you?
tim dillon
No, but Big Bird used to smoke cigarettes outside.
He was this really kind of guy named Carol something and he looked very like, you know, like creepy.
Well, no, just meth-y.
joe rogan
Dangerous?
tim dillon
Just smoking cigs and kind of like- Big Bird smoked cigs in front of the kids?
Yeah, I mean, he was sitting outside in Astoria, Kaufman Astoria Studios.
What year is this?
19, I was, you know, 9, so 1994. Wow, you could still smoke cigarettes in front of kids back then?
Yeah, oh, back then it was, kids would just shut up.
We would take, my friend's mother would drive us around, she would smoke bots, my friend's father would smoke bots and roll the windows up.
joe rogan
Oh, that's the dirtiest, that's the dirtiest.
tim dillon
Yeah, just smoke, she would smoke Marlboros.
joe rogan
We're not getting cold.
tim dillon
Yeah.
Because of you kids?
Yeah, the windows go right up.
So that was when you could treat kids like, you know.
joe rogan
Garbage.
jamie vernon
Smoking sections in restaurants seem like such a thing of the past, but it wasn't that fucking long ago.
joe rogan
What year was that?
jamie vernon
I worked in them, so it must have been like 2003, 4, 5, somewhere.
tim dillon
I think New York was earliest.
New York was first.
joe rogan
Well, LA was a big deal, because they stopped it in bars, and I remember Drew Carey was complaining.
I don't think Drew Carey even smoked, but he was just complaining for the business, for Barney's Beanery, because they blocked it at Barney's, and everybody's like, what?
Barney's Beanery?
jamie vernon
Well, even having a smoking section was a little ridiculous, because smoke goes everywhere.
joe rogan
Everywhere, yeah.
jamie vernon
How could you have a section?
tim dillon
I guess the world just smelled like smoke when you were growing up, like, all the time.
joe rogan
Yeah, but casinos, you could still smoke?
tim dillon
Yes.
joe rogan
That's what's fucked.
jamie vernon
Barely can, you know.
tim dillon
Really?
jamie vernon
Really?
It's frowned upon.
Half the area, you can't...
Like, if you're at a table, you can have a cigarette.
But, like, walking around most of the places, it's like, no smoking.
Well, please, no smoking.
joe rogan
I think they probably don't want you dropping ashes on the floor and burning the carpet.
tim dillon
Part of it, yeah.
joe rogan
There's a lot of assholes who walk around with cigars, too.
tim dillon
Hey, Vegas!
joe rogan
I'm a winner!
jamie vernon
It also might be the casino-dependent.
tim dillon
Well, the ceilings are so high, and they filter the oxygen, so, I mean...
joe rogan
Do they really pump oxygen in there to keep you awake?
tim dillon
That's what they've said.
jamie vernon
Not awake, but it's probably because it's such an enclosed space, you have to get some fresh air in there.
joe rogan
Yeah.
jamie vernon
I don't know about it to keep you awake.
joe rogan
Have you been since the COVID? No.
I've only been to Vegas for the fights, and the fights are at the UFC Apex Center.
tim dillon
Have you stayed, or do you just fly back?
joe rogan
No, I fly in and out in a day, and it's weird being there, man.
It's like everybody's wearing a mask, and they have very strict laws in Nevada, so everybody's masked up and...
tim dillon
Yeah, I just think that town's going to have a tough time back.
joe rogan
They're going to have a real tough time bouncing back, but if they are back, they will make money.
tim dillon
Yes, of course.
joe rogan
People love Vegas.
Yeah, of course.
They love being there.
It's just whether or not...
The town itself, though, my buddy Randy was telling me it's hurting.
He lives there, so it's hurting bad.
He's like, it's hurting bad.
Most people burnt through their savings within the first month or two.
tim dillon
Do you think LA's going to come back?
unidentified
Yeah.
joe rogan
Dude, I don't know.
Jamie, you were just there.
You said it was horrible.
jamie vernon
Yeah, it was weird.
I was in three airports.
L.A., well, four technically, I guess.
L.A., Columbus, Austin.
All pretty empty, like you would think the pandemic is happening.
O'Hare Airport last night.
Packed.
Slammed.
tim dillon
Slammed.
jamie vernon
People were running around everywhere.
Full flights.
Every plane everyone was staying was full.
Every flight I got on, they were like, this is a full flight.
joe rogan
That would make me uncomfortable.
A full flight with strangers wearing a mask.
tim dillon
I haven't done a full flight, but I've done flights.
And I've got to be honest with you, you don't feel that in the plane because the oxygens circulate.
They refilter the air.
They said that the transmission rates are probably lower there than if you were in an elevator or an enclosed small room or something like that.
joe rogan
It's weird how contagious this disease is.
tim dillon
Well, you say that, but I know a guy who just tested positive and his girlfriend's not positive and they've been living together.
It's so weird.
It's very strange.
joe rogan
It's weird.
She's probably healthy.
tim dillon
Yeah.
So, I mean, but he's healthy too.
They're both like fitness people.
joe rogan
She might be doing that.
I don't know.
tim dillon
Is that the antidote?
joe rogan
Is that the vaccine?
Maybe it's in the loads.
tim dillon
It might be.
But listen to this.
He was...
Bill Gates comes out and says we need semen.
unidentified
The antibodies?
tim dillon
I just take the vitamins.
I take the vitamin D, and I think that's what you can do.
Yeah, vitamin D is huge, zinc, vitamin C, vitamin D. Don't eat white sugar and inflammatory ice cream and bullshit.
Don't try to sleep, but that's hard.
joe rogan
Well, that's the thing about breast milk, too, though.
Breast milk is phenomenal for a kid's immune system.
There you go.
Makes sense.
It makes sense.
But, you know, it's not nearly as big of an issue with children anyway.
One of the things the Florida governor did is he put up a chart that showed the fatality rate for people that are, you know, under this age, over that age, and he went through all the things.
Which is accurate.
But you're just talking about fatality.
tim dillon
The long-term effects are creepy.
joe rogan
Yeah, that's an issue.
There's some people that have devastating long-term effects.
And they don't know how long that's going to last, because obviously this has only been around for six months.
But there's people that got it four or five months ago that are still suffering from fatigue.
tim dillon
But they're also saying that that's a lot of diseases that aren't reported.
People just have some weird neurological reaction to it, and it just flares up, whether it's chronic fatigue or Epstein-Barr.
I mean, dude, it's just a bad situation where you hope that we get out of it.
But there doesn't seem to be, like, there's no great option here.
joe rogan
The great option is take care of your health.
Yeah, that's true.
That's the option.
Make sure you make your immune system as durable as possible.
And this is what's driving me the most crazy about our government.
You don't hear a peep about that.
tim dillon
You don't hear a peep about that.
Which is why, you know, I was talking on my podcast, I said as a joke, I said...
Tell people to eat their vegetables.
It's like you're going to tell people to vote.
There's so much better advice or equally as good advice.
Tell them other things and nobody tells anyone anything.
So yeah, they've said not a word about immune health and they've said not a word about preventative measures you can take other than sitting in your house and going broke.
joe rogan
Yeah, the crazy thing in LA, they're talking about schools and when schools are going to open up.
They said after the election.
Could you at least try to pretend that you're not being political?
tim dillon
This isn't totally political.
joe rogan
After the election.
tim dillon
Do you have science?
Kamala Harris will open the school.
She'll cut the ribbon to open the school when it's, yeah.
joe rogan
Do you have science?
She's going to smother Biden with a pillow.
tim dillon
The day she gets in there.
Fauci's got to go.
joe rogan
They're going to celebrate.
They're going to celebrate the hotel room.
And she's going to get on top of him.
jamie vernon
I saw this in the last week.
tim dillon
This guy's got to go.
This is a big mistake.
joe rogan
He's been saying about taking vitamin D. He says if you're deficient, the problem with that is everyone's deficient.
People don't think they're deficient.
tim dillon
79% of America is deficient in vitamin D. The other thing about Fauci just seems to me, I've always believed Italians shouldn't be doctors.
joe rogan
Or governors.
tim dillon
Yeah, or governors.
Correct.
joe rogan
They shouldn't make cars either.
tim dillon
100%.
But we should have a Jew or an Asian giving us advice.
joe rogan
I like that.
tim dillon
Nobody wants a short...
Hey, I'm Fauci.
Nobody wants a pizza fucking delivery guy giving people advice on coronavirus.
Give us an Asian.
Give us a Jew.
Nobody wants an Irish guy either.
Nobody wants a guy that looks like me whose name's Maliki.
joe rogan
What about Kennedy?
tim dillon
Nobody wants that.
Get an Asian or a Jew, please.
joe rogan
What about Kennedy?
tim dillon
Nobody wants...
You want a doctor or an Indian guy, like a Pakistani guy or something?
Listen to him.
Go listen to the Italian guy.
joe rogan
I like what you're saying.
unidentified
I'm just...
tim dillon
It's what it is.
I think that's fair.
joe rogan
I like when people are racist against white people.
It's like clearing.
It's clean.
You can get away with it.
tim dillon
It's all we have left.
joe rogan
Yeah.
tim dillon
You can get away with it.
You get away with it.
joe rogan
Yeah.
Shit all over them.
tim dillon
All you have left.
And Italians are barely white.
joe rogan
That's what I'm saying.
tim dillon
Truly.
joe rogan
That's my people.
tim dillon
So we're Irish.
We're barely white.
joe rogan
Well, we were slaves.
tim dillon
We were slaves.
I mean, the potato famine was a tragedy.
People tend not to remember that.
joe rogan
Oh, they gloss over it, these foxes.
They eat potatoes right in front of you.
tim dillon
Yeah, right.
joe rogan
They don't even think about you.
tim dillon
This was a hard time.
joe rogan
Hard time for your ancestors.
tim dillon
I mean, but I don't know.
This debate tomorrow is going to be like, it might be the funnest thing ever.
joe rogan
I hope.
tim dillon
And the scariest.
joe rogan
I hope it falls apart.
I hope Biden forgets what he's talking about and just falls asleep.
I hope Trump goes crazy and starts making shit up.
unidentified
Yeah.
joe rogan
And I hope the United States the next day puts time out.
tim dillon
And stop.
Yeah.
joe rogan
Let's start over.
tim dillon
Wouldn't that be amazing?
joe rogan
It's an hour and a half commercial free.
Wow.
Who's the moderator?
Chris Wallace?
jamie vernon
I don't...
Let me see.
I know they've announced...
joe rogan
I think it's Chris Wallace.
jamie vernon
It's a TikToker.
joe rogan
Let me tell you something about that Chris Wallace guy.
He is very reasonable.
tim dillon
He's not bad.
joe rogan
He's very reasonable.
He's a good choice.
He will hold your fucking nuts to the fire if you say stupid shit.
tim dillon
Yeah, he's good.
joe rogan
Yeah.
tim dillon
He's good.
joe rogan
And he's a Fox News guy, but he's...
tim dillon
He's good.
joe rogan
And even liberals are looking at him, they're like, okay.
tim dillon
It's going to be a really crazy debate.
I'm kind of...
I mean, I'm doing this show instead of...
But I'll see.
I'll watch it.
And I'm sure it'll be...
joe rogan
Well, you can always watch it afterwards.
I'll watch it afterwards.
tim dillon
It's going to be around.
joe rogan
The election is what's scary to me.
We should do...
Last year, or last...
In 2016, you weren't in LA yet, but we did an End of the World podcast.
Yeah.
We should do something like that on November 3rd.
tim dillon
That would be hilarious.
joe rogan
We should get some people in here.
Jamie, who do we have on...
Do we have anybody booked?
Hold on.
Don't say anything.
Don't say anything.
Don't say anything, Jamie.
There might be.
jamie vernon
That I know of.
joe rogan
Okay, it just says election damage.
unidentified
Yeah, you have different knowledge than me.
joe rogan
Don't let the fucking Spotify people know.
I gotta keep the guests quiet so I can sneak them in.
Oh, by the way, I'm sneaking some people in.
Oh, there's gonna be some nuclear bombs we're gonna drop.
But, yeah, let's do that.
Let's get together a few guys.
Like maybe Normand.
tim dillon
Yeah.
joe rogan
Maybe Shafir.
tim dillon
Yeah, why not?
joe rogan
Some crazy people.
tim dillon
Yeah.
joe rogan
Yeah.
Do it all in here and do it live.
unidentified
Why not?
jamie vernon
May or may not.
Skype options might be available to if someone can't make it.
joe rogan
We might not be in this room anymore by then.
I got ideas, motherfucker.
tim dillon
You're moving on.
I'm doing shit.
I'll take this studio when you're done.
unidentified
I'll take this.
joe rogan
You're going to move here, right?
tim dillon
I might.
joe rogan
Yeah.
tim dillon
I mean, it's getting a little crazy over there.
joe rogan
Listen, if you move here, I might have this available for you.
tim dillon
Getting a little crazy over there.
joe rogan
You got good internet.
You know?
If you're into red and black, this is your spot.
tim dillon
Yeah, this is the spot.
I like it.
This is like a Boston Chinese restaurant.
joe rogan
I had to put this thing together.
I mean, I didn't put it together, but Matt Alvarez did.
Yeah, we can make it more red.
tim dillon
Yeah.
joe rogan
We had to put this thing together.
Yeah.
I literally decided from...
I like that.
Leave it like that.
tim dillon
Leave it like that.
joe rogan
That's great.
That's tight.
tim dillon
This is nice.
joe rogan
Yeah, it's tight.
From deciding we were going to leave L.A. to living here was six weeks.
tim dillon
Quick.
joe rogan
Six weeks.
tim dillon
Quick.
joe rogan
We were, from deciding we were going to leave L.A. to shipping, everybody.
Moving, the whole crew.
tim dillon
Yeah.
joe rogan
Like, everybody.
Security people.
tim dillon
Everybody.
joe rogan
Jamie.
Yeah.
My family.
Fucking, we had to move all the equipment.
We had to set everything up.
We had to, you know, they had to put together this fucking room.
unidentified
And people were like, I fucking hate the new studio.
tim dillon
Yeah.
joe rogan
It's a spot where I talk!
tim dillon
Yeah, yeah, yeah.
joe rogan
What do you give a fuck what's behind me?
tim dillon
Yeah, yeah.
joe rogan
But I got plans.
tim dillon
Yeah.
joe rogan
I got plans for stage two.
tim dillon
I liked the way you addressed it the other day.
You said, folks, relax.
unidentified
Yeah.
joe rogan
Just settle down.
tim dillon
Settle down.
joe rogan
It's not the most important thing.
unidentified
It'll all be okay.
tim dillon
It'll all be okay.
joe rogan
It's like, there's a thing.
These are sound panels.
tim dillon
Yeah.
joe rogan
I just thought they looked cool.
tim dillon
Well, I appreciate that, and thanks for letting me use your backyard for my pop-up show.
joe rogan
Whenever you want.
Just tell everybody where I live.
tim dillon
I was like, is there any clubs open?
He's like, I don't think so.
I'm like, I'll just bring everyone to the backyard.
Just get 100 people in the backyard for you.
unidentified
I have a spot for you.
joe rogan
Yeah, just clear it off real quick.
Yeah, no problem.
I think there's going to be, I mean, there's a Velveeta room here.
Yeah, it's a great spot.
Are they still doing stand-up?
tim dillon
I don't know what's going on.
I think a lot of stuff in Austin is closed.
joe rogan
The whole 6th Street was sketchy the other day.
I drove down 6th Street during the day and I was like, whoa, this looks sketchy.
tim dillon
Nothing looks good right now.
joe rogan
Everything's closed up and weird.
jamie vernon
At night it opens up.
joe rogan
Does it?
jamie vernon
I hear music at night downtown.
joe rogan
Well, I heard music for sure, but I also saw a lot of very homeless-y looking folk.
Wandering around.
tim dillon
Well, that's going to get worse and worse unless people figure out a way to get people back to work and get people mental health care and get people all kinds of shit.
joe rogan
Bridget Phetasy sent me a video that she took from Venice.
It's bananas.
tim dillon
What's going on?
joe rogan
A mile straight.
I mean, a mile straight of tents.
The fucking video just keeps going and going and going and you're like, no.
unidentified
No.
joe rogan
No, that can't be.
Hold on.
tim dillon
It's like, why are there no tents in Beverly Hills, though?
You know?
joe rogan
Because there's people with a lot of money there.
tim dillon
Right, that's exactly what it is.
Yeah, but then they tweet on Twitter about, you know, right.
I mean, it's like, let's put the tents in Bel Air.
joe rogan
They have this, like, stupid idea of, like, what's okay.
The vast people think it's fine.
It's fine.
Look at this.
Watch this.
Can you see that, ladies and gentlemen?
tim dillon
Yeah, this is crazy.
This is crazy.
joe rogan
Look how long this goes.
I'll send this to you, Jamie.
I'll airdrop it to you.
Because people need to see this.
Because a lot of people think, like, oh, you're exaggerating.
tim dillon
It's not that big a deal.
No, it's bad.
joe rogan
It's not that big a deal.
Here, young Jamie.
It's on the way to you.
tim dillon
It's not good.
joe rogan
It's a fairly long video.
It's sent already?
unidentified
Oh.
joe rogan
This is the thing that Android's missing.
AirDrop.
They can eat shit as long as there's AirDrop.
And as long as Apple's better with privacy, they can eat shit.
You can't put it up there?
Check this out.
Watch this.
Let's watch how long this is.
This is like a minute-long video.
And watch.
Here we go.
unidentified
10-10-10-10-10-10-10-10-10-10-10-10-10-10-10-10-10-10.
I'm not exaggerating.
10-10-10-10-10-10-10-10-10-10-10-10-10-10-10.
joe rogan
It goes on and on and on and on and on.
And you fast forward, it keeps going.
It keeps going.
Like, this is a long fucking video.
It's more than a minute long.
And it's just all tense.
It's crazy.
And that's just some of it.
That's just some of it.
tim dillon
Yeah, there's real bad problems, and there's no good ways to solve them right now.
joe rogan
How do you fix that?
tim dillon
Nobody knows how to fit.
Well, they're doing this dumb shit like putting boulders under the things, and you can't do that.
joe rogan
You're just going to make them move, and then they're going to be somewhere else with a tent.
tim dillon
I guess you fix your mental health care.
The problem is they keep trying to build this low-cost housing, but I think it's like $740,000 per unit of low-cost housing.
I was like, why is it costing that much?
There's so much regulation and red tape.
joe rogan
And they won't let them do drugs there, so they leave.
And if you don't make it illegal for them to just have tents on fucking sidewalks where you can't walk around, you've got to walk on the highway because there's fucking tents everywhere.
tim dillon
What about mental health care?
But that's still a long play.
That's not going to fix anything overnight.
joe rogan
What did you say?
Shoot them?
Kill them?
Is that what you just said?
tim dillon
Well, a mental health care clinic that they would walk into thinking it's a clinic and then you would vaporize them.
joe rogan
I don't know what's going to fix it.
tim dillon
I don't know either.
joe rogan
I think it's one of those things where it got too far.
tim dillon
It went too far.
joe rogan
It's too far gone.
They didn't have a few tents and they said, hey folks, what's wrong?
Can we help?
Let's put together a program to help these people.
tim dillon
And then COVID came along and everything magnified by 10. Yeah, the system seems to be buckling in certain places.
And that's one of the places it seems to be buckling the most noticeably is in Los Angeles.
joe rogan
And the people with money are just like, fuck this.
tim dillon
The people with money are out of it.
They're just completely...
I was in the Hamptons.
I spoke to some guy in the Hamptons.
He had no idea what was going on.
He said to me, he's like, aren't all these problems on Twitter?
Are these real problems?
I'm like, no, they're real problems.
But they're out.
They're out to lunch.
People that are just insulated by their own social circle or wherever they are.
But I mean...
You know, these problems, whether it's the fires, the economy, the homeless people, it's a perfect storm, and Los Angeles is just in deep, deep trouble, and they're not opening up anytime soon.
joe rogan
It's so poorly managed.
tim dillon
Very poorly managed.
joe rogan
I didn't realize how important it is to have a good mayor until I saw this shit happen, and a good governor.
tim dillon
Well, if you want to feel better about Los Angeles, go right over to New York City, and Bill de Blasio has destroyed 15 years of progress in five months.
joe rogan
He really has.
tim dillon
Yeah.
joe rogan
It's crazy.
unidentified
Absolutely.
tim dillon
It's crazy.
That city right now, at night, does not feel fun to walk around in.
joe rogan
Yeah, tell me what it was like.
tim dillon
Well, it was weird.
We had an Airbnb.
Me and the dude who opens for me, we had an Airbnb.
A beautiful apartment, but it was in Hell's Kitchen right by Times Square.
But we were in one of those high-rises.
I said, you know, we're all the way up, you know.
And then the Uber, we got in an Uber that was a hazmat.
It was wrapped in, you know, literally ducked.
The guy was in a hazmat suit in the Uber.
The Uber was like cellophane wrapped, like, you know, the partition.
It was from 12 Monkeys.
Remember that movie of Bruce Willis?
That's exactly what it was from.
And then he dropped us off two blocks from the Uber and, you know, he had a camera.
We were filming stuff.
And the walk from the Uber to the apartment was...
I never felt that way in New York.
I mean, it was pretty wild.
Like, you were looking at stuff and you were going like, this is teetering on a real big problem.
Like, there's just people out in the streets now, you know, if you were a tourist, you would not be...
Yeah, that's our Uber driver.
If you were a tourist or if you were somebody visiting the city, it would not be a place you would feel comfortable or safe.
joe rogan
And they defunded the police by like $100 million, right?
tim dillon
Yeah, they're taking money away and they're going to have less cops.
And then instead of trying to figure out and solve some of these problems, they're just trying to like, again, they want to win on Twitter.
They want to win the war on Twitter, right?
It's like that's what Hillary Clinton, she tried to win the election on Twitter.
That was a big thing.
joe rogan
The thing is even the progressives are attacking de Blasio now.
tim dillon
Well, they hate him too.
joe rogan
Everybody hates him now.
tim dillon
He's across the board.
Incompetent.
He eats pizza with a fork.
Yes, and nobody trusts him, and he's an empty-headed goon.
joe rogan
That's a good way to describe him.
There's no de Blasio fans now.
It's a dark time for New York City, and I don't know how it bounces back.
I don't know who's right.
James Altucher or Jerry Seinfeld.
But that was amusing.
tim dillon
They're both wrong because neither one of them are living in New York City.
So Jerry Seinfeld has a trillion dollar home in Hampton.
And James Altucher is in Florida selling God only knows survivalist kits out of his basement.
And I like him.
But, you know, I think it just ebbs and flows.
I think it's a cycle.
I think you're in for some years of darkness.
joe rogan
Ari likes it.
unidentified
Good.
tim dillon
The artists are going to move in.
Yeah, right.
Who are the artists, Ari?
joe rogan
New York City needs to be gritty.
tim dillon
Yeah, who are the artists?
The TikToker?
I mean, come on.
joe rogan
TikTokers are moving in.
unidentified
They're going to take over.
tim dillon
Yeah, that's what we need.
joe rogan
We need punk rockers.
tim dillon
Yeah.
I think that's possible that it happens in a few years.
Things get bad.
joe rogan
Lower the rents.
tim dillon
Right.
Lower the rents.
The artists come in.
And then maybe, listen, then you see architects start taking big chances again.
Because the rents are cheaper.
They start building cool buildings, reinventing public spaces.
There's some type of renaissance.
I mean, look, after World War II, we had a real big boom in the 50s.
joe rogan
They're going to need a Giuliani.
tim dillon
Well, they're going to need somebody.
joe rogan
They're going to need someone like that.
And so is L.A. L.A.'s going to need some guy who comes in and puts his fucking foot down.
tim dillon
And it'll have to get really bad before that.
You know, when Giuliani got elected, I think it was in 1990, there was like 29 or 3,000 homicides in Manhattan.
That's a big difference.
joe rogan
29 or 3,000 homicides.
unidentified
No, it was 2,900 or 3,000.
tim dillon
Literally, it was almost 3,000 homicides, and then we got it down to like 400 or 500 a year.
That's a massive difference in the amount of people getting killed.
Forget maimed and shot and all these other crimes.
joe rogan
Well, the feeling of Times Square, I remember it from back in those days.
It was weird.
tim dillon
Yeah.
joe rogan
You'd be there like, this place is sketchy.
Let's get out of here.
Now, it was like a mall.
tim dillon
And Giuliani, he did a great job, but because he's kind of a little bit of a cretin and a lot of people forgot how bad it was, they don't give him any of the credit for that.
They say all of the credit's to go to somebody else, but the reality was it was a lot of the new initiatives that he kind of...
Broadforward.
joe rogan
Well, here's the thing.
As much as you like to think progressively and be a person who's open-minded, that's who I am.
tim dillon
Yeah, not me.
joe rogan
You need law and order.
tim dillon
You do.
You need a civilization.
joe rogan
You fucking need it.
tim dillon
You need rules.
We need a society.
joe rogan
And you need punishment for people who break those rules.
tim dillon
We need to have a society.
Otherwise, we have nothing else.
That's why the amount of people that...
Glorify or excuse random acts of violence against people and private property in the pursuit of a political aim to me.
That is the single craziest development in my life, I'm 35, that I've seen, that the media and even political figures excuse random violence and chaos against innocent people and their property in service of an overall political point.
That is crazy.
CNN, yeah.
joe rogan
See, Chris Cuomo, since when does a protest have to be peaceful?
tim dillon
That's crazy.
See, that is a crazy thing to say.
joe rogan
Do you think someone scripts that for him?
Someone says that?
unidentified
I don't know.
tim dillon
How does that work?
I don't know, but I don't think it's scripted.
I think he has a mind virus.
I think he's sick.
I think they're all sick and something's eating their brains.
And I think they all think that when the revolution or whatever happens, they want to be...
I want to be the good white guy who said, go out there and burn it all down.
I'm your friend.
Remember me?
Even though I'm a rich white guy and you don't like them, I told you to burn it down.
We're good, right?
They're gonna get you too.
You're their enemy too, dummy.
joe rogan
You know what they are?
You remember that video where there's these kids in the house and they're watching these people march by and they give them the thumbs up and people start throwing rocks to their window?
tim dillon
But we agree with you!
joe rogan
Hey, I'm on your side!
tim dillon
Yeah, that's exactly right.
When you unleash chaos...
You're inviting chaos.
joe rogan
Yes.
tim dillon
There's no way to contain it.
And I think the Cuomas of the world and all of those people are trying to marshal the forces that they're opening up.
A comedian friend of mine, Yanis Papa, said it.
He goes, they're opening up the gates of hell.
They're opening up the gates of hell and then they're trying to instruct everybody where to go and how bad the fires are going to get.
And it's like, dude, when you open up those gates, you have no idea what's going to happen.
joe rogan
November 3rd.
We'll talk.
tim dillon
Let's go.
joe rogan
Let's make it happen.
Let's go!
Tim Dillon, ladies and gentlemen.
tim dillon
Thank you.
joe rogan
Follow him on Twitter and the Instagram.
What is it?
Tim J. Dillon on the Instagram?
tim dillon
Tim J. Dillon, D-I-L-L-O-N on Instagram and Twitter, where I think we should all be spending more time.
unidentified
Woo!
joe rogan
Thanks, brother.
Appreciate you.
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