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Joe Rogan Experience #1541 - Bridget Phetasy
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joe rogan
Oh, hello, Bridget.
unidentified
Hello.
bridget phetasy
We're going to save the world.
joe rogan
Yeah, that's what I heard.
bridget phetasy
Right now.
joe rogan
I'm sorry for being late for the most California reason ever.
I really, I thought I was meditating for 20 minutes and I was 45 minutes in.
I was like, what happened?
bridget phetasy
Last time we talked, you hadn't even started meditating yet.
So tell me about this journey.
joe rogan
Well, I would do it occasionally.
bridget phetasy
Yeah, but you weren't really into it.
joe rogan
Most of the time I was getting in the tank, which is kind of like meditating.
unidentified
Uh-huh.
joe rogan
But, you know, the tank is its own thing.
But yeah, I've been doing...
I had this guy James Nestor on.
He's the author of Breathe.
Breath?
Breathe.
bridget phetasy
Breath.
unidentified
Breath.
joe rogan
The book is Breath.
I always forget which one has the E at the end.
But I really got into breathing exercises afterwards.
And so, I mean, I'm calling it meditating, but I'm really doing both.
I'm meditating and while I'm doing these breathing exercises, I'm just concentrating on breath.
unidentified
Trippy.
joe rogan
It is the best fucking stress reliever.
It just, ooh, it all goes away.
bridget phetasy
It's amazing.
I've taught yoga and I always said if you had to choose all the different parts of that practice, if I had to tell somebody just to do one, it would be the breathing exercises are the best.
joe rogan
There's something about it, too, that you don't realize how shallow your breath is most of the day until you sit down.
I do six in, six out.
So six seconds in, big...
And then...
And I did it for 45 minutes today.
Just in and out.
And by the end, my skin is tingling.
I feel high.
It's wild.
bridget phetasy
I know.
That's why I love that I was mentioning last time I was on Sam Harris' meditations because they have you reflecting on your own consciousness.
It's like, notice, pay attention to where you're paying attention.
It's so trippy and I'll get it in my head and the next thing I know I'm like, this is like taking acid.
joe rogan
I love Sam Harris.
bridget phetasy
I love him so much.
joe rogan
He's terrified of the COVID, though.
unidentified
Terrified.
bridget phetasy
Oh, is he?
joe rogan
Yeah, yeah, yeah.
He's not doing anything live.
bridget phetasy
Really?
unidentified
Oh, he's not.
bridget phetasy
Oh, Sam.
joe rogan
He's the one who had me so scared in the beginning.
bridget phetasy
I feel like I'm like, come out and play, Sam!
joe rogan
But he knew somebody, though, that got it early in Italy and got really sick.
But then, upon questioning, I was asking him a bunch of things.
Like, the guy was drinking.
Like, the guy was partying.
And then he was skiing.
And then he caught COVID. So, the people that I know that have got it and got it bad were all compromised.
They were all beaten down, worn out, and then it got them.
That's where it gets scary.
bridget phetasy
Or you don't know.
We had a friend whose boyfriend's brother died of it, and he got it, but he was sick for two weeks, and his wife was like, please go, and he didn't because he's a dude.
And then he went and found out that he had diabetes or something.
He didn't even know he had it, and so he was compromised, and it was really tragic and sad.
joe rogan
Well, a nurse was telling us, how harsh is she?
bridget phetasy
Yeah, she's hardcore.
unidentified
Harsh.
bridget phetasy
I like it, though.
joe rogan
She's great.
I love her.
But anyway, when she's doing the test, she's telling us about all these kids that vape that are dying.
bridget phetasy
Oh, yeah.
I've been hearing this.
joe rogan
Fucking getting pneumonia and dying from vaping.
bridget phetasy
Here's a fun story.
I was talking to my physical therapist, and he is married to an Italian woman, so they were hearing all the stories from Italy, and then all the whole thing about hydrochloroquine came out.
Hydroxy?
Hydroxychloroquine, however the hell you say it.
And he had been hearing from the people in Italy that this was kind of working and it was helping.
So after Trump said it was helping, he was trying to get some on the west side and he's like, all these motherfuckers who are talking shit about it, you couldn't get it anywhere on the west side of LA. Every rich person in LA went out and bought it and then was like, oh, we shouldn't be listening to this.
He's like, but you couldn't get it anywhere.
joe rogan
Well, my doctor told me that people are not taking it because they hate Trump.
Oh, wow.
When Schaub got it, they asked Schaub what your political leanings are.
And he's like, what?
And he's like, well, hydroxychloroquine has been proven to be very effective in the early stages of the virus.
bridget phetasy
Especially early, yeah.
joe rogan
He goes, fucking give it to me!
What are you talking about?!
But imagine if you're like, fuck Trump!
unidentified
I'm gonna die!
bridget phetasy
I'm gonna die on this hill!
Fuck Trump!
People have lost their minds.
joe rogan
Lost their minds.
bridget phetasy
It's a...
I saw a tweet yesterday that was like, I'm so tired.
I'm so tired.
I'm like, what are you...
This whole idea of everybody being like, I'm so exhausted.
I'm like, you're sitting on your fucking ass.
You're watching Netflix.
You're on your couch.
You're waiting for Postmates.
Like, what are you fucking tired from?
unidentified
What?
bridget phetasy
You're exhausted from tweeting?
You know, like, it's so hard educating all these people, all these fascists online all day.
What are you fucking exhausted from?
I don't understand.
joe rogan
Educating fascists.
Everybody who disagrees with you is a fascist.
bridget phetasy
Everyone.
joe rogan
That's just how it is.
bridget phetasy
And I was talking to Colin Quinn for my podcast and we were talking about this.
I was like, do you not get shit for like, he's like, I feel like we're kind of in the same place.
And I was like, don't you get shit for being like both sides?
And he was like, isn't that insane though?
Like the people who are like trying to see things reasonably are the ones who are like getting attacked.
He's like, no, the middle used to be the people looking at the zealots being like, you're fucking crazy.
And now they're looking at us and they're like, you guys need to be stopped.
joe rogan
The middle needs to be stopped.
bridget phetasy
All of this reason needs to be stopped.
joe rogan
Well, because you make them confront their own biases.
bridget phetasy
Yeah.
joe rogan
That's what the problem is.
If you're a reasonable person, especially if you're someone like you or I, who has a platform and you're reasonable, and there's a lot of people listening, and then people are like, wow, she's actually got some good points.
unidentified
No, she doesn't!
bridget phetasy
She's a fascist!
Look, I'm no Alyssa Milano.
I don't have a platform like you guys.
But...
joe rogan
Well, it's a real shame that her platform was a third of mine.
unidentified
That's like a really delusional...
This is the two plus two equals five math.
joe rogan
Yeah, that math is...
That's like Hollywood math when they tell you a movie didn't make any money.
bridget phetasy
Yeah.
It's really wild watching the hatred that people who are...
So the other day I saw, I'll say something like, I've heard, because I put out an article, and it was like, why I'm not voting for the president.
I'm like, fuck this.
I'm out.
And I got all these emails, like 900 emails in two days from people who are conservative voting for Biden, from people who are Democrats.
And I'm saying, I'm like, I'm hearing a lot of people saying that they've never voted for Trump or considered it, and they're going to.
And they're like, that's propaganda!
I was like, so anything you don't want to hear is propaganda.
Like, I'm just reporting what I'm hearing anecdotally from people, and you're telling me it's propaganda.
joe rogan
It's really the opposite of propaganda.
bridget phetasy
No!
joe rogan
The problem is, the media overwhelmingly is liberal.
bridget phetasy
Right.
joe rogan
Overwhelmingly.
Like, there's Fox News, and what's that AON? Right.
What is that?
The QAnon network?
unidentified
Whatever it is.
joe rogan
There's one crazy network that's like full right on the edge of the cliff with a fucking eagle tattoo on their back.
And then you have everything else.
I mean, everything else is liberal, whether they pretend to be or not.
They lean liberal, whether it's NBC, CBS, MSNBC, of course CNN. CNN is atrocious.
They're so bad.
They used to be my favorite source of news.
And now, when you see Don Lemon and Chris Cuomo talking about white people and how white people have every advantage, like, why don't you have an education?
Why don't you have a loan?
And Chris Cuomo's just standing there letting Don Lemon say this.
I'm like, what are you guys talking about?
bridget phetasy
They're parodies.
joe rogan
Have you ever been to Appalachia?
bridget phetasy
No, they haven't.
joe rogan
Do you know about really poor white people?
unidentified
No.
joe rogan
They're there.
There's poor white people all over the world.
bridget phetasy
I tweeted something about it.
joe rogan
It's so crazy.
bridget phetasy
They were like, Don Lemon's calling out celebrities and I am here for it.
And I was like, Don Lemon is the arsonist standing in the house asking for everyone else to put out the fire.
This guy has been so divisive.
What are you even talking about?
joe rogan
All generalizations.
All of them.
Do nobody any good.
bridget phetasy
No, but they're fun.
joe rogan
But I just made one.
bridget phetasy
I know, but they're so fun.
joe rogan
They are very fun.
I mean, we're comics.
We live in the world of generalizations.
bridget phetasy
I said this waitressing, stereotypes don't exist in a void.
Like, as a waitress, it was 10% waitressing, 90% trying not to profile people.
That was the hardest part of my job.
joe rogan
Anti-bias training.
bridget phetasy
It's just like, all right, these white ladies aren't going to be a pain in the ass, these white ladies.
unidentified
Ah, fuck!
bridget phetasy
Ah!
joe rogan
But the fact that you could say that on CNN, you could say something ridiculously biased and in a gross generalization on CNN, as long as you're saying it about the right people, whether you're mocking all Trump supporters and being dumb.
Do you remember when he did that?
And then there was this whole thing where they said, I was not mocking them.
bridget phetasy
I heard a joke and I laughed.
joe rogan
He was like fake laughing.
It was so not funny.
It was like, what is this?
It was like when you go to one of those alt rooms and someone's laughing at some shit that you know nobody thinks is really funny.
Like, what is happening here?
What is this weird voodoo in the air that's forcing people to comply?
bridget phetasy
I think one of the things that really was surprising to me that I'm hearing from a lot of people, and in my next column I kind of talk about this, is like the mainstream media inadvertently red-pilled a huge sector of America during the pandemic.
Because they were like, lock up.
This is for the best.
Shut your business down.
Don't bring your kids to school.
Miss funerals.
Miss weddings.
Miss graduations.
Miss sports.
Miss comedy.
Miss everything.
joe rogan
Miss trick-or-treating.
bridget phetasy
Did you see that shit in LA? And then they were like, oh, but protests are okay.
And everyone in...
You know, how many people protested?
Like, what percentage?
Was it like 0.01%?
joe rogan
Enough to spread the virus.
bridget phetasy
Enough...
joe rogan
Good, solid number.
How about de Blasio?
He said the only protests you could do are Black Lives Matter protests.
Like, hey, motherfucker, this is America.
bridget phetasy
Yeah.
joe rogan
You can't do that.
bridget phetasy
No.
joe rogan
You can't say.
bridget phetasy
De Blasio's a parody, though.
How is he even real?
He can't be real.
He can't be.
joe rogan
He's a South Park mayor.
bridget phetasy
We are living in a South Park.
We are.
And so, yeah, I keep hearing this from people that that was, you know, I don't even think it was a protest because I think most people are actually on board, especially around George Floyd.
Everyone was pretty united.
Like, this is horrific.
joe rogan
Yes.
bridget phetasy
We need to address this.
Police brutality is a problem.
joe rogan
Someone should have stepped up, though.
Some mayor should have stepped up and said, I am with you, but we are going to have a real problem with health if we just all gather in a street like this.
bridget phetasy
And it's not even in the street.
It's the making posters beforehand at your buddy's house, you know, and like getting together afterwards and having drinks.
Everybody was still getting together in apartments and houses before and after these protests.
And it's interesting.
It's just that the thing I keep hearing is not even it's not even the protests.
It's the rioting.
And when you're standing in front of a burning building and you're saying these are mostly peaceful people fucking have eyes, right?
Like, you are lying to their face.
And I just think they overplayed their hand.
joe rogan
I think you're right.
That CNN piece that said how the riots are being misconstrued by right-wing media while they're mostly peaceful riots.
And they made that with a photo of a building on fire.
Yeah.
It is so crazy how gaslighty that is.
That's the biggest gaslighting event of our time.
bridget phetasy
It's actually just demanding that you swallow the lie.
It's even worse than gaslighting.
It's just demanding you comply with the lie that they're presenting.
Now, we get this on the right, too, where it's like you'll directly contradict something that is clearly on video that you said.
joe rogan
Climate change.
Climate change is the biggest one on the right where they just full on try to deny climate change and it's a part of the narrative of the ideology of the right.
There's a lot of people that just deny the narrative of climate change.
bridget phetasy
There are young Republicans who are changing this though.
And you should have some of them on because they're young.
joe rogan
Give me some names.
unidentified
I will.
bridget phetasy
There's some young kids who are really pushing back against.
They don't like that.
They believe that we should conserve our parks, that we should conserve, that it's important.
And they hate that it's become this kind of partisan thing and that it's now Republicans are anti-climate is this messaging.
And so there are some young people in that space.
They just don't have...
A big enough voice really yet.
But they're out there and they're pushing back against that and they have some really cool things that are going on.
joe rogan
Well, that's good because there does need to be some pushback.
The problem with the narrative on the right is that they're so pro-business that they're willing to sacrifice some environmental standards and people see the repercussions of that.
They're like, hey, listen, I understand that you want people to be able to work and you want people to make a living and you want to raise a standard and trickle down economics and all that shit, but you can't Sacrifice the fucking environment right like that should be a no-brainer first do no harm right like a doctor first do no harm and that you're doing harm like you can't make money while you're polluting like that's that's not good for anybody's future yeah they're seeing this in in areas where that you know I think it was reading like the Louisiana belt
bridget phetasy
there's like tons of instances of more COVID mortality and they like chemical alley where all those fucking chemical plants are And that's the kind of untold cause and effect that we need to pay more attention to.
This is why I hate when these things...
The climate shouldn't be...
We should be able to have a conversation about this.
And I think with the right wing, it's more that it's used as a cudgel to silence everybody and you're supposed to just get on board.
And there's so many things that are...
A lot of them will agree that we might be having some effect on it, but what is the best way to...
To try and make those changes.
So that nuanced conversation is what needs to happen and everything is just partisan.
Everything.
Even the mask thing.
Like all of it.
And you want to be able to come from a place of facts.
It's the same with police brutality.
All of these things.
If we can start with what the actual facts are, that would be awesome and productive, but we don't start there.
We start with like...
joe rogan
Well, the police brutality thing, all you get is videos of horrific actions.
You know, I saw a video.
There's a really terrible video that's going around right now that people are using as evidence that cops are racist because they didn't shoot this white guy who wound up shooting and killing a cop in Oklahoma.
Did you see it?
bridget phetasy
Oh, I haven't seen it.
I've been blissfully offline.
joe rogan
Every time I drink coffee with cream, I say, I'm not going to do that again because I do it on the podcast and then I get phlegm and I have to...
bridget phetasy
That's all right.
It makes you human, Joe.
joe rogan
It's not for people listening.
It's Annoying, bro!
But it's a bad video.
They pull this guy over.
They mace him.
They hit him with the pepper spray.
They tase him.
They do everything.
And he's just drugged up or a psycho.
Who knows?
And they get into some sort of a wrestling exchange and he gets the cop's gun and unloads into this guy's body.
And you hear the cop from the cop's body camera.
You see him get shot and you see him scream.
bridget phetasy
This is the fucking thing about our dystopia that I hate.
I've seen someone die like every day for the past two weeks online.
joe rogan
But here's my point.
People are looking at this saying, oh, the cops are racist because if that was a black guy, they would have shot him.
unidentified
Right.
joe rogan
My position is, okay, these are two totally different cops.
And maybe they didn't shoot him because they would have never shot anybody.
Maybe these cops never would have shot a black guy or a white guy or an Asian guy or anybody.
But the point is, this is how dangerous it is to be a cop.
And this is why non-lethal...
There's two cops on one guy and they can't control this motherfucker.
And this is why non-lethal methods are...
The cops are reluctant to use them sometimes.
And this is also...
It just shows you how fucking hard it is to be a cop.
You get this crazy dude and you can't tase him.
You can't pepper spray him.
He still gets your gun and shoots and kills one of you.
It's fucking nuts.
bridget phetasy
It is nuts.
And I think you can't really jump to, oh, this is racism with no evidence of racism.
unidentified
Right.
joe rogan
In that case, there is no racism, right?
bridget phetasy
As far as we know.
joe rogan
If this was a black guy, they would have shot him.
I understand why they feel like that.
Because there are all these videos of black guys getting shot by cops.
And it is horrible.
But this situation is two totally different human beings.
That's the problem.
It's in the generalization.
The problem is in stereotypes.
The problem is in...
The real problem is that these fucking cops exist at all that would shoot a guy that's black.
Just because he's black.
And those guys are real.
And there's so many cops out there that have PTSD. So many cops out there that they just don't know what is going on.
They'll just shoot.
bridget phetasy
There's a lot of that.
I've had people writing me saying, I work with cops and they need better training.
Cops themselves will say, we need more training.
To act like some of them aren't racist is as delusional as acting like all of them are.
I think you have to take it on a case-by-case basis.
Honestly, the thing that Sam...
Did you listen to Sam Harris's hour-long thing that he did?
Everyone should listen to that.
joe rogan
It's very good.
bridget phetasy
It's based very much in what we know as far as facts because he's super reasonable.
I sent it to my dad, my center-left people in my life, and he was like, that was very good.
I don't think he hears that perspective.
joe rogan
Sam's a brave man.
Sam Harris is a brave man because he's already been attacked so many times for having these unconventional but very reasonable positions and yet he still puts them out there and he knows before he puts them out there that he's gonna get some flack and get some but he's he deleted his Twitter from his phone he doesn't have Twitter on his phone yeah I don't have it on my phone yeah that doing things like that can have a big impact I was talking to Shab today he's deleted all social media from his phone he doesn't have any social media in his
bridget phetasy
Yeah, I really only use Twitter and I only have it on my desktop so that I can only check it when I'm in front of a computer.
joe rogan
That's even worse though, because then you should be writing.
bridget phetasy
Yeah, I mean, that might be a problem, too.
I might just need to delete it completely.
joe rogan
I think I'm going to get a computer that doesn't connect to the internet.
I think, you know...
bridget phetasy
Like, from 1982?
joe rogan
Yeah, they have those.
Like, Snowden has one that has, like, a switch.
unidentified
Yeah.
joe rogan
Like, you literally shut the Wi-Fi off.
unidentified
Oh, okay.
bridget phetasy
I might need that.
joe rogan
So you can't get tempted.
unidentified
Yeah.
joe rogan
So, like, while you're working, the Wi-Fi is off.
I mean, you can always go to the Wi-Fi and do the fucking thing.
unidentified
Yeah, yeah, yeah.
joe rogan
But it seems like a...
bridget phetasy
They have apps for that, too.
It's a fucking app.
joe rogan
I want a button, like a click.
bridget phetasy
You could just unplug the Wi-Fi.
unidentified
No!
joe rogan
No.
It's just too tempting.
I mean, you're a writer.
You know as much as anybody.
The temptation to procrastinate.
bridget phetasy
Yeah.
joe rogan
It's so hard to avoid.
bridget phetasy
I mean, I actually want to know how many words I've written on Twitter.
And I've deleted, I always kind of just delete, I'll have a mood where I'm like, I'm deleting everything.
And then I'll just delete every tweet.
And so I was thinking like, God, it's really a shame how many books I've written on Twitter.
Yeah.
joe rogan
I really like the great American novel.
Twitter's also giving you a very large following.
That's how, I mean, I knew you from your store, but I really got into your shit because of Twitter.
bridget phetasy
Yeah, no, I think you can tell pretty quickly about someone on Twitter.
I think it's the best social media for seeing who someone is because everyone, no one's afraid to be kind of their piece of shit self on Twitter.
It's the most honest, I think, of social medias because it's primarily a battle of the wits.
joe rogan
If you choose to engage.
bridget phetasy
It's not so much Instagram, which I can't stand.
I don't know how anyone does Instagram.
joe rogan
Are you on it?
bridget phetasy
I'm on it, but I never use it.
I hate it.
What do you hate about it?
It's so fake.
It's so curated.
Because all the people on Instagram showing me their lives, they call me with all their problems.
I'm like, I know what's going on in your life, bitch.
It's not looking like this.
joe rogan
It's so true.
bridget phetasy
And so I think it's just as like phony to me and I go in there and I'm like, I can't.
And all the women are just, how does anyone feel okay about themselves on there?
I spent five minutes on there.
I was like, I'm old.
I'm ugly.
I'm getting chest wrinkles.
How do I get rid of chest wrinkles?
I gotta call Whitney.
unidentified
Call Whitney.
joe rogan
Yeah, she'll get you on an NAD drip.
Yeah, this filter thing that everyone's using is so bananas.
bridget phetasy
Oh, that one that you posted about your daughter's filter and made you the pretty lady?
joe rogan
How weird is that?
You know, that was used in a class at Texas Tech.
bridget phetasy
That's terrifying.
joe rogan
Yeah, it is terrifying.
unidentified
Yeah.
joe rogan
But that's what girls are dealing with.
They look at themselves in the mirror and then they look at, like the Courtney or Chloe, which one?
bridget phetasy
None of those people are real.
joe rogan
But which was the one where she had a totally different head?
bridget phetasy
Oh, maybe the old...
I don't know any of them.
The old one?
joe rogan
Which one?
jamie vernon
You're right.
joe rogan
Which one?
Chloe.
bridget phetasy
Okay.
joe rogan
I mean, you know what she looks like.
bridget phetasy
Yeah.
joe rogan
She looks one way, and then the picture was like, okay, who's this?
bridget phetasy
Yeah.
joe rogan
And it wasn't her.
I mean, they're doing stuff.
They're moving their frame around and changing.
bridget phetasy
Yeah, but they're also doing stuff in real life.
joe rogan
But this one was so bad that she photoshopped one side of the chain on her neck off and So she's wearing a chain.
She's got like a little chain.
But she didn't realize it's a very thin chain that she had accidentally photoshopped.
One side of the chain was gone.
Was not in the image.
unidentified
Like look at it.
bridget phetasy
Oh, wow.
joe rogan
But look at the chain, like half on the right-hand side.
The chain is missing.
bridget phetasy
Oh, yeah.
Is that even her body?
joe rogan
I mean, I guess.
unidentified
Maybe.
bridget phetasy
That is so crazy.
joe rogan
But it's so damaging.
bridget phetasy
It's so much pressure for young girls.
joe rogan
And her as well.
She's got to go outside.
bridget phetasy
I'm not worried about her.
joe rogan
I'm worried about her, too.
bridget phetasy
Okay, I'm worried about her.
joe rogan
She's a human being.
bridget phetasy
She is.
You stop.
joe rogan
That's how you get people off your case.
You attack other people.
bridget phetasy
No, I'm not attacking.
joe rogan
No, I'm attacking you.
What you're doing is problematic.
It's terrible.
She's a person.
She's a human being.
bridget phetasy
You're dehumanizing a Kardashian.
joe rogan
It's really bad.
bridget phetasy
I know.
joe rogan
It's not cool.
bridget phetasy
I don't feel bad for them.
They're rich.
joe rogan
Wow, but that's a problem when you say things like that.
Because they suffer from mental illness as well as anybody.
unidentified
We all suffer.
bridget phetasy
We do.
But it's easier when you're rich.
Can we just agree on that?
jamie vernon
I think that could be the same picture.
joe rogan
Well, how do they do the face smiling?
I don't know.
That doesn't make sense.
unidentified
I don't mean the exact same photo, but the same photo shoot.
joe rogan
Oh, wow.
That's crazy.
bridget phetasy
I don't know.
They have a lot done to their bodies, too.
joe rogan
I think someone could probably do that at a doctor's office.
Could make her look like that, too.
bridget phetasy
I mean, if I had enough money, maybe.
joe rogan
You think so?
Get crazy?
bridget phetasy
We'll see when I have money.
I'll be like, hey!
I'll come in and look completely different.
joe rogan
I'll be like, where's Bridget?
And who are you?
bridget phetasy
I'm Bridget.
I just got rich and now I have tons of work.
I've reconstructed my entire being.
joe rogan
Remember when Renee Zellweger did some stuff?
bridget phetasy
Yeah, it ruins her life.
joe rogan
What do you...
You can't...
We know what you look like.
bridget phetasy
What was the...
Who was the original one who did this?
Jennifer Gray.
joe rogan
Yeah.
bridget phetasy
Yeah, she said it ruined her life.
She was like known for her nose and then she got the nose job and it kind of ruined her ability to get booked.
unidentified
To work.
bridget phetasy
Yeah.
joe rogan
Oh, wow.
bridget phetasy
I think she said that.
I might be making that up.
joe rogan
That makes sense.
Well, she kind of stopped working.
bridget phetasy
Yeah.
And she was hot.
joe rogan
Yeah, I mean, a nose that's not perfect does not make you unsexy.
It just doesn't.
bridget phetasy
It comes from within.
joe rogan
Let's not get crazy.
She had a beautiful body.
She had a great personality.
She was pretty.
She just had a non-perfect nose.
bridget phetasy
It's funny.
joe rogan
But guess what?
So do I. A lot of people do.
bridget phetasy
I was just joking about this the other day.
Someone was asking me how I stay sane and COVID and what I'm doing.
I'm like, I focus on the only two things that matter in life.
Being hot and rich.
joe rogan
Try to get hotter and richer.
That's the run.
bridget phetasy
I get mad on Twitter, I do push-ups.
joe rogan
The temptation to alter your face like that is, I guess, if you see some of the success stories, like some of the other Kardashians that have done it and it worked out awesome.
bridget phetasy
Yeah, there's a lot of pressure.
I was not too into any of it, and then I started being on camera more with all these media hits, and I was like, oh man.
Somebody did a screen cap for one of the interviews I did.
I was like, does the person doing this hate me?
Why would they choose that?
I looked like I was eating sheet cake for breakfast.
joe rogan
Did they catch you with eyes half closed with a mouth open?
unidentified
I was like, how many chins do I have?
bridget phetasy
After this, the last time I was on your show, I just kept getting emails, stop eating bread.
joe rogan
Whoa, people are saying that to you?
That's so rude.
bridget phetasy
Yeah, calling me, texting me, and emailing me.
joe rogan
Friends?
bridget phetasy
Friends were saying this.
joe rogan
Stop eating bread.
bridget phetasy
Yeah, this is the kind of pressure that Hollywood puts on you.
joe rogan
Can't you just be funny?
Can't someone just be funny and smart?
bridget phetasy
I mean, fat shaming works.
unidentified
It does work.
joe rogan
That's the problem.
It's worked on me.
bridget phetasy
It's worked on me.
joe rogan
When I went on that carnivore diet, one of the reasons I got up to like 205 pounds, which for me is kind of fat.
I was getting a belly and I was getting these love handles and we did this weigh-in thing for Sober October and people were like, look at your belly.
I'm like, fuck.
It is kind of sticking out.
And I got there for that episode at the worst time.
Because I had eaten.
And I eat like a wolf.
I eat like there's no food coming forever.
Like I'll eat like two steaks.
I'll eat like a bowl of pasta.
bridget phetasy
You must love Texas.
joe rogan
I love it out here.
bridget phetasy
Yeah.
I could eat barbecue for breakfast.
joe rogan
Which places have you gone to?
bridget phetasy
What's the one where Matthew McConaughey...
Oh, it's the one where Matthew McConaughey said his famous line in Dazed and Confused.
It's the...
Oh, it's good.
They use pepper.
Terry Black's?
No, it's spit...
joe rogan
There's so many out here.
You can't be bad and stay open.
bridget phetasy
Yes!
So good.
joe rogan
It's the place.
bridget phetasy
So good.
joe rogan
For a place that has like 2 million people living in it, they have like 150,000 barbecue spots.
There he is right there.
bridget phetasy
It's not paid to like that anymore.
unidentified
Alright, alright.
bridget phetasy
Yeah, that place was amazing.
I went to the other one that's really big, the really famous one that's kind of out.
joe rogan
Franklin's?
bridget phetasy
No, I haven't been there yet.
I heard it's amazing.
joe rogan
La Barbecue?
bridget phetasy
No, it's a...
It begins with an R. Yeah, it's like an hour of us just naming barbecue places.
joe rogan
Yeah.
I found out through Adam Curry that that actually was...
Germans came here and they had like a smoked meat tradition from Germany and they brought that and it became Texas Barbecue.
bridget phetasy
Have you been down to Green?
joe rogan
Green?
bridget phetasy
Yeah.
joe rogan
Green, Texas?
bridget phetasy
It's not far, but there's like an old...
It's a dance hall, kind of common.
We went the other night.
It was awesome.
There was just a guy.
I have a video.
unidentified
Did you dance?
bridget phetasy
You can't dance because everybody has to kind of social distance in there.
And he was just sitting on stage playing the guitar.
It's a tiny little town, but I think there is a German-founded town.
Yeah, it's interesting.
joe rogan
Fredericksburg is very German, and that's a place that's got a lot of craft places and wineries.
bridget phetasy
Yeah, there's tons of history here.
I was in Georgetown and there was a protest in front of the city hall because there's a Confederate statue.
It was a small protest.
joe rogan
How many people?
bridget phetasy
It was mostly white people.
joe rogan
Do you think they got there because of a Russian troll account?
bridget phetasy
I don't know.
I spoke to one of the Confederate dudes after.
joe rogan
Supporters?
bridget phetasy
Well, he's a descendant of these fighters, and he was trying to explain that they just don't want them to desecrate.
He's like, we wouldn't go down to Green and desecrate their soldiers, and they were Union soldiers.
And we just think you don't desecrate soldiers.
That was like his whole argument for it, and he's like of the lineage.
And so I was just chatting with him, and he was saying...
joe rogan
I'm a descendant of Mao, and you know, the way I feel is like, leave Mao alone.
bridget phetasy
And he was like, you know, you just don't come and like desecrate the statues and whatnot.
But he he said they came every Tuesday and they left it dark.
And it seemed like they were reasonable conversation.
It seemed pretty, you know, reasonable.
It wasn't like screaming on one side and another.
It was like pretty chill.
joe rogan
It is a good question, right?
Like, if there's something that's openly racist and represents one of the worst aspects of our country's history, like, how do you treat it?
Do you just leave a statue up?
Or should we have, like, maybe we should have, like, a graveyard for Confederate statues, and you could go.
And this one was actually in Huntsville, Alabama.
It was actually in front of the courthouse until last year.
Isn't that crazy?
bridget phetasy
Mm-hmm.
joe rogan
We could go on a tour.
Instead of taking them down and smashing them, wouldn't it be interesting if there was a place you could go where you could see all of them?
But then people would go and be like, we need to put these back!
Put them back where they belong!
bridget phetasy
Well, I feel kind of like, yeah, we don't need them.
But the problem is there's a process that we usually go through to take them down.
So I would generally err on the side of going through the process.
But...
joe rogan
Yeah, but the process doesn't work sometimes.
bridget phetasy
Yeah, exactly.
joe rogan
And sometimes people just feel like they just want to pull them down.
This is another thing that's going on right now.
This is the perfect storm, the convergence of all these different things that are happening at the same time, and one of them being the COVID lockdown.
unidentified
Yeah.
joe rogan
Social media, the COVID lockdown, the polarization of our country with Trump, and then, you know, this weird thing where everybody has to pretend that Biden isn't dying.
unidentified
Yeah.
joe rogan
Like, this is all happening together at the same time.
Like, everyone has to pretend.
He's going to do a great job.
unidentified
I'm going to vote for him.
joe rogan
We just need to get Trump out of office.
Like, oh my god.
Can we freeze this?
Can we freeze this and rethink this?
Do you guys have anybody else on deck?
bridget phetasy
No one.
I mean, I guess Harris is on deck.
joe rogan
She's wearing Timbalands.
I guess she's one of us.
bridget phetasy
I seriously love the tweet.
Whoever it was, it was like, oh, I found the undercover cop.
They're like, anyone who sees anyone wearing these in a club, this brand new is the undercover cop.
joe rogan
Charlemagne on Instagram was like, you know, because they were saying that she's bringing back Timberlands.
And he was like, what the fuck are you talking about?
He's in New York!
Dudes in New York have been wearing Timbalands forever.
They've been wearing them since the 80s.
Or whenever they started wearing them, they never stopped wearing them.
She's bringing back Timbalands?
That's like some guy saying, I'm bringing back Chucks.
I'm bringing back Converse All-Stars.
Fuck you, you are!
They never went away, man!
You can't bring back something that never went away.
And Timbalands, in New York especially, never went away.
bridget phetasy
Yeah, you're not allowed to go back to Biden.
You're not allowed to say that.
You're problematic.
joe rogan
Yeah, I'm a problem.
But I've been getting canceled for that for six months now.
bridget phetasy
I said in that column, I said something like, he may or may not be slipping into dementia.
I mentioned about why I'm not voting.
And then someone from the New York Times said...
That is a widely debunked conspiracy theory that he's slipping into dementia.
And I said, okay, I said may or may not, and can you post, like, cite your source for where this has been debunked so that my, like, people reading this thread can see it.
And this New York Times researcher, writer, says, well, I've seen him speaking, and that's just what I gather.
Like, you seeing something...
You're a bad predator.
Isn't widely debunking a situation?
Okay, so you see something and have a different opinion and other people have a different opinion.
That's not widely like, oh, well, I've seen it and that's it.
joe rogan
Could you imagine?
Let's pretend that Kamala Harris was the Democratic nominee and Biden was a Republican.
Could you imagine how savage they would be at attacking his mental incompetence?
bridget phetasy
Yeah, no.
No, that's actually a really interesting thought experiment.
joe rogan
Well, this is where this bizarre bias comes into play, and this is where everybody's getting gaslit, because they're pretending that everything's okay, because all they want to do is get Trump out of office.
But in doing that, you're exposing this very bizarre tendency that people have to comply and to go along with these lines of thinking and behaving and talking.
And I can't get into that, man, because that's cult shit.
That's religious shit.
I mean, that's where these things come from.
They come from everybody not saying what they really feel because there's an agreement that's been made.
You're going to be on the right team, aren't you?
You're going to do the right thing.
You're going to do the right thing, aren't you?
unidentified
Yeah.
bridget phetasy
Or we'll burn your fucking house down.
We have to stop these fascists or we'll burn your house down.
joe rogan
Some guy offered me an interview with someone who I probably could get an interview with him anyway.
And he said, if you vote for Biden, I will get you this guy as an interview.
Come on, we have to save the country.
bridget phetasy
What?
joe rogan
That was a real message I got.
Like, hey bro.
bridget phetasy
Jamie's laughing.
joe rogan
That's so...
jamie vernon
Yeah, I understand where you're going with it.
It's so crazy.
joe rogan
It's fucking insane.
Come on, we have to save the country.
Are you sure?
What part is going to save?
What's going to happen?
bridget phetasy
When I was on, I did one of Brett's Unity campfires.
joe rogan
Oh, did you?
bridget phetasy
Yeah.
I was like, everyone is saying that the other side is the existential threat.
And then Brett was kind of like, well, we need to come together because that is the existential threat.
But isn't that...
I'm like, why is everyone on Flight 93?
joe rogan
Everyone's scared.
bridget phetasy
Of course.
But it's also...
I guess maybe I have optimistic faith in America.
I don't really see how Trump or Biden...
How can...
I don't know.
I hope that either one of them can't destroy America in four years because that means America's already fucked.
unidentified
Yeah.
joe rogan
Well, we're kind of fucked.
bridget phetasy
I don't like saying...
I know my 16-year-old nephew and all his friends listen, and I don't want to give these children no hope for the future.
joe rogan
They have hope for the future, but we're fucked.
unidentified
Do they?
joe rogan
Yeah, we do.
Yeah.
Listen, we're not in the fucking dark ages.
unidentified
No!
joe rogan
The Mongols aren't coming over the hills with horses and flaming arrows and shit.
bridget phetasy
This is what I always say.
People are like, there's a civil war.
I'm like, America's too fat for a civil war.
unidentified
Yeah.
bridget phetasy
Who's fighting?
What does that even look like?
joe rogan
There will be more armed conflict.
bridget phetasy
Right.
joe rogan
There will be.
That's going to happen.
Because when you have things like the Kenosha guy who shows up with an AR and a guy's trying to take his gun and he shoots them.
bridget phetasy
Yeah, they're LARPing.
joe rogan
All of this stuff is crazy.
unidentified
Yeah.
joe rogan
All of it's crazy.
More of that stuff is going to happen if you have more of these conflicts.
bridget phetasy
And they're kids.
joe rogan
Well, the guy in Seattle is not a kid.
bridget phetasy
Wow.
joe rogan
Was it Seattle or Portland where he shot that?
Portland, right?
unidentified
Portland?
bridget phetasy
It's all the same.
joe rogan
Shot the Trump supporter?
Yeah, it was Portland.
Yeah, that guy was not a kid.
He's just a fucking sociopath who found a team that he could get with.
Did you see the interview with him, with Vice?
bridget phetasy
Before they killed him?
joe rogan
Yeah, before they killed him.
Before the cops killed him.
bridget phetasy
What an idiot.
Did you ever see Documentary Now, that show, where they made fun of Vice?
They parodied Vice?
That interview with that guy reminded me exactly of the Documentary Now parody of Vice.
It was like, this can't be real.
joe rogan
Well, they interviewed a guy after he killed a guy in the street with a gun and then was justifying it.
Here's my face.
Here I am.
I definitely did it.
Admitting that he did it.
And the way he did it was in this weird, culty way.
What he was saying, I wasn't going to let him kill one of my friends of color.
That's what he said.
But it was so clear that this is a person who's saying the things that he thinks you're supposed to say to signal that you're on this team.
bridget phetasy
I think they believe it, though.
unidentified
Oh, yeah.
bridget phetasy
I mean, look, if you believe Trump is literally Hitler...
All of that behavior makes sense.
joe rogan
Yeah.
bridget phetasy
Because what lengths would you go to stop Hitler?
joe rogan
But it's the same thing in not calling out Joe Biden.
unidentified
Yeah.
Right?
joe rogan
Not saying that Joe Biden is having mental issues.
It's the same thing because it's all...
What you're doing is you're saying things that don't necessarily have to make sense, but they align you with a group.
unidentified
Right.
joe rogan
They align you with...
You're compliant.
You're fitting into the words that need to be said.
It's a cult.
unidentified
Right.
bridget phetasy
Yeah.
joe rogan
And on both sides.
It's right wing and left wing.
bridget phetasy
Trump devotion syndrome.
joe rogan
Oh my god, it's crazy.
bridget phetasy
So there's Trump derangement, which is real, and there's Trump devotion syndrome, which is the MAGA side.
And it is...
joe rogan
It's real.
bridget phetasy
Oh, we made fun of him on Dumpster Fire just because he said something completely retarded and deserves to be mocked.
All politicians deserve to be mocked.
What happened, America?
We used to make fun of all of our politicians.
Yeah.
So, I think in that same episode, I had made fun of, like, Ben and the whole Cardi B thing, where he went viral.
What else was he?
Which was hilarious, by the way.
joe rogan
It's actually a gynecological condition.
bridget phetasy
If you listen to the whole 10 minutes, it's a pretty good bit.
unidentified
Oh, yeah.
bridget phetasy
It's pretty funny.
And so, he went...
joe rogan
He's funny.
bridget phetasy
Oh yeah, he's really funny.
joe rogan
He's a smart, funny dude.
bridget phetasy
He's funny.
So he retweeted it, and my cousin calls me, she's like, our comments on YouTube are like, insane people defending Trump.
They couldn't get past two minutes of us making, the next segment we make fun of Biden, and then proceed to make fun of Nancy Pelosi and everything else, but they could not get past two minutes of us making fun of Dear Leader.
joe rogan
Yeah, well, there's an issue.
I mean, and it works on both ways.
Trump tweeted a thing recently with me and Matt Taibbi talking about Biden, where I said that Biden...
bridget phetasy
Oh, the flashlight?
unidentified
Yeah.
bridget phetasy
That's a great joke!
joe rogan
Thank you.
Well, I'm a comedian, and I was making a joke.
But on the same podcast, we talked about Trump being a sociopath.
We talked about all his lies.
It was just fucking lies.
Like, it was not a Trump-supporting podcast.
But Trump's like, good enough, snip, post it!
Ah!
MAGA! And everybody's like, ah!
Joe Rogan's MAGA! This is the world we live in.
We live in this world with no nuance.
unidentified
Yeah.
joe rogan
And it's very culty.
But I wonder how many of those Trump supporters that you get on Twitter are bots.
Because a lot of them, a lot of them are.
bridget phetasy
No, the devotion is real.
joe rogan
The devotion's real.
unidentified
For sure.
bridget phetasy
I mean, I know people in real life who are borderline QAnon.
unidentified
And...
bridget phetasy
They cried watching the RNC. For sure.
The devotion.
And I understand.
Look, I get it, too, because he rose out of the domination of the mainstream media, the culture, the domination of academia, Hollywood.
All of it.
And he was like a fuck you vote by many people.
And they feel like he is defending them.
And the thing I hear from them over and over again is he will stand up.
He'll stand against this tide of insanity coming from the left.
He'll stand up for us.
joe rogan
That's why smart people are voting for him.
And that's a silent vote right now.
That's going to be just like 2016. This is propaganda, Jeff.
unidentified
I thought everybody felt the way I feel.
bridget phetasy
This is another thing I keep hearing, which is hilarious.
People who told me that he could never win in 2016 and that it was impossible are telling me, again, it's impossible, he can't win.
I'm like...
You're telling me the thing that already happened that you thought was impossible is impossible!
What kind of logic is this?
It doesn't even...
They're so crazy!
joe rogan
It doesn't make any sense.
And when, you know, the thing about Russian meddling...
When people talk about Russian meddling...
bridget phetasy
I love this shit.
joe rogan
But here's the real thing about Russian meddling.
The real thing is these trolls...
Like, they do affect people.
bridget phetasy
Yeah, they do.
joe rogan
It really does work.
Like, if you get enough of these troll accounts that they literally hire to post pro-Trump things and anti-Biden things and memes and all these things, like, it catches people up in the wave and they want to be a part of that group of people that's piling on against Biden and piling on for Trump.
And a lot of it, like, there was one...
There was a protest.
I think it was in Austin.
I forget where it was.
But it was a protest against white rage.
This is a protest.
And this dude traced the IP address back to Russia.
He's like, this is crazy.
But they're organizing protests.
bridget phetasy
I know.
I know.
joe rogan
Renee DiResta, she did this whole study of it, and it's really fascinating.
bridget phetasy
It is.
joe rogan
Because she found hundreds of thousands of these posts that were all from this internet research agency in Russia.
bridget phetasy
I love...
joe rogan
They're funny, some of them.
unidentified
Yeah, I know.
bridget phetasy
I love it when something's trending on Twitter, and someone will be like, it's 9 a.m.
in Russia.
You know, like...
The bots have logged in.
Where it's something random, you're like, why is this trending?
And it's something anti-Biden or sowing dissent, and it's always spelled wrong, and it's just like, oh, Russia's logged in for their work day.
joe rogan
We do it, too.
This is what's fucked up about it.
It's like, we're talking about meddling in our elections, but you know what that's like?
That's like someone who's a fucking thief saying, someone's been stealing from me.
Like, what, they're stealing some shit you stole?
bridget phetasy
yeah like what are you talking about yeah we do that with other countries yeah if we're upset that china is fucking with us you don't think we fuck with china come on it's it's it's like the american supremacy kind of mentality where it's like how dare these countries who we've historically meddled in their elections meddle in our elections don't you understand this is Yeah.
No, it's been...
It's a wild...
You know, I had a funny experience kind of observing how people will engage with these bots.
And my nephew, who's probably too young to be on Twitter, has kind of recently got on.
He's like...
They call me D. He's like, look, D, I had a tweet that went pretty big.
And it was like him making some comment about...
They were coming after Lizzo and he made this kind of...
joe rogan
They were coming after Lizzo.
bridget phetasy
For some reason, and he made some comment about it that was smart, but it wasn't necessarily like, you know, A to B logic, because he's like 12. And people, adults, were commenting and yelling at him, and I'm like, oh, this is why I'm never going to argue with someone I don't know on Twitter again, because they might be 12. It might be a 12-year-old.
joe rogan
Very likely.
Either 12 or, what is this?
Report, Arizona teens paid to file social media posts for campaigns.
Whoa!
jamie vernon
Yeah, this is a Washington Post report of yesterday.
Apparently they're being paid and then when asked, this is the quote from the CEO of the company.
joe rogan
Real kids operating their real social media profiles and promoting mainstream American values.
Jake Hoffman, President and CEO of Rally Forge, said in an emailed statement Wednesday that the posts were nothing more than, in his quote, real kids operating real social media profiles and promoting mainstream American values.
He said, what these young Arizona activists are doing is honest and sincere political activism in the 21st century and in the age of COVID-19, whose firm was linked by the Post to the Turning Point Project.
bridget phetasy
Oh, it's Turning Point?
joe rogan
Yeah, it did not respond to questions.
Neither Turning Point Action nor the affiliated Turning Point USA responded for a request.
Turning Point is a conservative youth outreach organization.
Its founder, Charlie Kirk, was a featured speaker at the Republican National Convention.
Yeah.
bridget phetasy
So it's like a sweatshop?
joe rogan
So they're paying kids?
jamie vernon
Yeah, we're starting to figure out how much they're paying to see if this is a job or...
bridget phetasy
Like these little political activist kids?
joe rogan
Imagine if there was a lot of money in it.
If you got real writers.
People like you start...
unidentified
Oh, I could sow some serious dissent.
That's what I'm saying!
bridget phetasy
Everybody on both sides should be happy I'm not on either one of these fucking sides, and you too.
unidentified
For real, right?
bridget phetasy
They should be thanking us that we're not picking a fucking side because I will bury the other side.
unidentified
I know, right?
joe rogan
I've thought of that before.
I've thought of like starting an anonymous account and just saying all the things I really feel and just going to war with people on Twitter.
I've never done it and I won't do it.
I really won't do it because I feel like the problem with that being deceptive, like here's What I'm 100% committed to.
If I say something, it's because I mean it.
bridget phetasy
Yeah.
joe rogan
I have to do that.
bridget phetasy
Yeah.
joe rogan
That's got me here.
bridget phetasy
And we might be wrong a lot of the time.
joe rogan
I'm wrong a lot.
bridget phetasy
All the time.
joe rogan
But I'll tell you I was wrong.
bridget phetasy
Yeah.
joe rogan
But you can trust that the words that come out of my mouth are what I really think.
bridget phetasy
Well, I think, and I could be wrong, but I think we share a somewhat desire to explore honesty.
You know, honestly what I'm feeling.
And sometimes I have to push back against myself.
Sometimes I'll say things...
So that I can get pushback and see the blind spots.
I'm not going to know what my own blind spots are unless I put my opinion out there and hear back from people.
Not all of it is great.
Some of it's really reasonable criticism that I can take in from people I respect.
Even people who maybe I am completely...
If someone is not even my friend but they critique something in a respectful way, I'll hear that.
I feel like it's necessary to just...
I try really hard to be honest.
It's not lucrative for me.
joe rogan
To be honest?
bridget phetasy
No.
There's no money in nuance, kid.
unidentified
I don't think that's true.
joe rogan
I think it is ultimately.
Yeah.
I think ultimately there is a future in that, ultimately.
But this is one of the reasons why I'm so steadfast.
Today.
It's because we're in the most polarized, the most ideologically based time ever in terms of like you have a side, you stick with it, you battle against the other side.
And I see this from smart people and it drives me crazy.
It drives me crazy because I'm like, I know you're smart because I know you're educated.
I know you know a lot of facts, but you are so fucking stupid about human nature.
unidentified
Yeah.
Yeah.
joe rogan
To behave like this because you're denying the very thing that literally has made us racist, the very thing that's made us go to war, tribalism.
unidentified
Yeah.
joe rogan
This is what it is.
All of it stems from people who look like me or people who think like me or people from the patch of dirt that I'm from.
Those are on my team.
bridget phetasy
Yeah.
joe rogan
We got to stick together and we got to all agree.
bridget phetasy
Yeah.
joe rogan
But that's nonsense.
And we know it's nonsense.
We know that in 2020 that we don't have to think like that.
It's not smart.
bridget phetasy
Yeah.
I mean, I think that our founders really understood human nature.
And they had this insight, which I still don't know how they managed to have it.
unidentified
Amazing.
bridget phetasy
It's a miracle.
joe rogan
Amazing.
bridget phetasy
I mean, Jonah Goldberg wrote this amazing book, Suicide of the West, and he talks about all of this, essentially how the Enlightenment, and we just stumbled on this miracle.
And in the end, he has the appendix.
I'm like, if anyone in America should read anything, it should just be the appendix of his book, which is all the stats of how much humanity has been lifted out of the dirt.
And we've lifted up, even in developing world, everybody's doing...
Yeah, there's problems, obviously, but everybody overall...
It's never been more convenient and easier for humans to just exist.
Yeah.
And I sometimes feel like, is this just humans, because they're not fighting and trying to survive, they're self-destructing and having to create that reality for themselves?
Is life just too easy?
joe rogan
There's a lot of that.
There's a lot of the existential risk, the real risk of humanity up until now has been war, murder.
unidentified
Death.
joe rogan
Death, famine.
bridget phetasy
It was so hard to live.
joe rogan
So hard.
And that was what people concentrated on.
But now, because of...
I mean, who was discussing this with me the other day?
Was it Douglas Murray?
Maybe?
Or was it...
I don't forget who it was.
bridget phetasy
So many guests.
joe rogan
Anyway, so many guests.
But this is part of the problem with social media.
It's like the problems that you have today are big to you because you do not have big problems.
And when you have big problems, if you have someone in your family that you love that's dying or sick, someone calling you a fuckhead on Twitter doesn't mean anything to you.
But when you don't have that, and then you're like, hey, fuck you!
That Twitter comment is the thing that gets you.
And that gets you out of bed, and you check the comments and see, what else did they say?
Oh, and I said this.
Let's see, I got them now.
This is your conflict.
This is you with a catapult.
bridget phetasy
It's shadow boxing though.
It's crazy because it's like, I know women on the east side in New York who are online all day battling and they're like, I'm so tired.
This is so exhausting.
I am in so much distress.
I mean, it's mental illness.
And I'm like, you're doing this to yourself.
You are all doing this to yourself.
It's not, a lot of the conflict, and I was saying this on Twitter the other day, I'm like, I'll be worried about America when no one can tweet.
Like, you're all tweeting, and you're online bitching about something or other.
When you have, like you said, when you have somebody, for instance, a cancer diagnosis.
Someone in my life recently thought they were diagnosed with cancer, but they weren't.
For that 24 hours, you realize that is your life now.
joe rogan
Well, that's how I felt at the beginning of COVID. The beginning of the lockdown, I really thought it was going to be like September 11th.
Like when September 11th came around, everybody joined up.
We all got together because we all realized like, hey, all this petty bullshit is not important.
What's really important is we got to fucking band together because we're going to run out of toilet paper and food because there's a disease coming that's going to kill everybody.
And then when that didn't happen, it's like it ramped up the other way.
Everybody just got crazier.
bridget phetasy
Hey, it just goes to show you how hilarious it is that people were stocking up on toilet paper.
You're like, maybe this...
joe rogan
Tom Green had a great point, though.
Tom Green's point was, when you go to the supermarket, toilet paper is a light item, but it takes up a lot of space.
bridget phetasy
Yeah.
joe rogan
And you only have so much shelf space.
And he goes...
bridget phetasy
It was just people seeing other people stockpiling it.
joe rogan
Yeah, when they take it, and then it's missing.
Dude, I don't have one now.
bridget phetasy
But it's kind of funny.
That's not the first thing I would think of.
I've also worked in farms and shit in the woods.
unidentified
Oh, yeah.
bridget phetasy
That's not my first thought in the apocalypse.
That's what I need to stockpile.
I'm like water.
joe rogan
Yeah, exactly.
It shows you how disconnected we are with real threat.
bridget phetasy
They're like, oh, what am I going to do?
unidentified
I'm not going to be able to wipe my ass from all this food that I'm binge eating while I'm locked down and Netflixing.
bridget phetasy
That's not a real crisis, guys.
joe rogan
And drinking constantly.
Everybody's drinking went up like some insane...
It was like 20% more...
While the bars were closed, alcohol consumption rose like 20%.
bridget phetasy
I am on a...
I had to...
It was hard for me because I'm sober, and I'm on threads with my very Irish Catholic family, and for the first couple weeks, it was just pictures of their booze stockpiles, which I 100% would have done if I was...
Back in my drinking days before even water, it would have been booze.
joe rogan
Yeah.
bridget phetasy
I mean, my family, I always tell this joker, like, it's something that's just funny in our family.
It was, like, police, vicar's liquors, and then fire.
unidentified
Yeah.
bridget phetasy
On the emergency contacts.
That's real.
My grandmother had that in our growing up.
And we're like, oh, let's be real.
Fires don't really start until after we drank.
joe rogan
Oh, my God.
That's so funny.
bridget phetasy
Yeah.
I think it's just interesting to see.
I remember when it first started.
I was kind of eerie, like no one was out in LA. And it was rainy.
And those first days, I went down to the beach.
There was no one on the beach.
There was no one even driving.
And I walked by this guy.
He was kicked back in his sofa.
He had his television on.
He had a beer.
He was on his phone, just with a nice little throw.
And I was like, this is apocalypse light.
You know?
It's not really...
I've never seen a more perfect picture of what the modern apocalypse looks like.
It's not fighting for...
I just remember Katrina when it got really bad down there and people were fighting for food.
It got savage really, really quickly in those...
I think it was in the Superdome.
Have you ever read the book Blindness?
unidentified
No.
What?
bridget phetasy
I couldn't read fiction for two years after I read that book.
And it's all about a pandemic of blindness hits people and they all get put in quarantine.
They get quarantined together, the people who are getting this blindness.
And then the wife of the guy who gets, he is like stricken with blindness, she fakes it so she can be with her husband.
And she's witness to all the shit that goes down once all these people are out of society and in this quarantine.
And it's like, Rapes and murders and just how quickly the veneer of society deteriorates.
Who wrote it?
Oh God, he won a Pulitzer for it.
I'm going to blank on it.
Okay.
Thank you.
He's a great writer.
It's amazing.
Yeah.
So I think that we're, you know, it's pretty under the circumstances.
The other thing that I've been kind of surprised about is, like you were saying, there's going to be more armed conflict.
I was like, I'm pretty amazed at how restrained people have been.
joe rogan
Very amazing.
Very amazing.
bridget phetasy
There's like 300 million guns, maybe probably 400 million now in America.
joe rogan
More than people.
More guns than people.
Just a few shootings.
bridget phetasy
They've been pretty restrained.
joe rogan
Yeah, pretty restrained.
bridget phetasy
Good job, America.
joe rogan
Especially considering the videos of cops shooting black people.
Especially when you think about how crazy it could have gotten.
There's been some horrific incidents.
This is a really bad one.
I think it was in Baltimore.
This white guy walking on the street and for no reason this black kid runs up behind him and hits him in the head with a brick.
The guy face plants and the people that are filming it are in a car and they're laughing while the brick hits the guy and the guy face plants on the concrete.
bridget phetasy
So much violence.
joe rogan
But for no reason, right?
bridget phetasy
Yeah.
joe rogan
It's crazy.
But so little of that comparatively to what it could be.
unidentified
Yeah.
joe rogan
I mean, you know, there's a lot of people that thought a real race war was going to happen in this country.
But I think most people, the vast majority of people, are not racist.
The vast majority.
The vast majority of cops, I think, are not racist.
I think the vast majority of people are not violent or evil.
The vast majority.
That's why you can just go places.
unidentified
Yeah.
joe rogan
That's why it's not a fucking shooting gallery everywhere you go.
bridget phetasy
Yeah.
joe rogan
The vast majority of people are not violent or evil.
It's just we have human beings living together in a very imperfect scenario.
bridget phetasy
Yeah.
We were talking about this the other day.
You don't hear about the planes that land.
There are so many people doing so many good things all the time.
That's a great point.
joe rogan
You don't hear about the planes that land.
bridget phetasy
It's like we focus, and a lot of this I blame on the media.
It would be like only focusing on planes that crash.
joe rogan
But it's not even the media anymore.
A lot of these things are just online videos that go viral.
bridget phetasy
Yeah, yeah, but I think that so much of the division and that picking narratives, they're driving narratives.
And I and people are obviously kind of partaking in this but I still think that it's we when I first like you said about the early days of the pandemic I thought the same thing because you would go out and there was you have this kind of like you'd like you have your mask on or whatever you walk and people were out walking because they couldn't go to the gym or anything and there would be that you kind of look at each other with that solidarity there's that feeling of like yeah we're in this yeah And it was only two weeks later before people
are crossing the street angrily.
I got mass shamed by a guy.
We were walking and I had my bandana just around my neck.
And he was very far away.
And he was like, no mask!
unidentified
No mask!
bridget phetasy
Screaming at us.
And I'm like, bright red.
joe rogan
You're a bad person.
You don't have a mask on.
bridget phetasy
But I'm like, dude, you're going to have a heart attack before COVID ever kills you, just yelling at people who don't have masks.
I would have to spit in his mouth for him to get COVID from me.
He's not going to get it from me from a block and a half away, just yelling.
And this is where I think people are driving themselves insane.
joe rogan
Well, the unhinged have never had a better time.
This is their time because they have so much company.
If you're an unhinged person, you're on Team Unhinged.
You're like, oh, look at all the people on my side.
bridget phetasy
Weren't you the one who had that tweet that was like, we have a mental health problem.
Something about guns and mental health.
joe rogan
We have a mental health problem disguised as a gun problem and a tyranny problem disguised as a security problem.
bridget phetasy
Yeah, that's a great tweet.
I think about that all the time because, man, has that played out.
Because now we're just seeing the mental health and the tyranny.
joe rogan
Yeah.
Well, we legitimately have a gigantic mental health problem in this country.
Look, I'm a person who...
I've done a lot of things.
I have a family.
I'm happy.
I have good friends.
I'm successful.
And I have mental health problems.
unidentified
Yeah.
joe rogan
We all have mental health problems.
bridget phetasy
Yeah.
joe rogan
And my mental health problems are very minor.
I just want to be real clear.
They're very minor.
But...
I get weirded out sometimes.
We all do.
We all get in funk sometimes.
We all have issues.
We all have issues.
But when something challenges us and we don't have character and we don't have a history of overcoming issues and we don't have tools in terms of like whether it's exercise or meditation or yoga or whatever you do to alleviate tension.
And then you have the fucking gasoline, which is social media.
And you're throwing gasoline on your fire instead of figuring out a way to put out the coals.
You're just going to have madness.
And there's so many people that are unhinged right now.
unidentified
Unhinged.
bridget phetasy
And they've been alone and isolated.
And it just shows how much you need that social interaction.
Yes.
Because people, I feel like, are losing their manners.
I've heard from many people, and my sister texted me, she said, I just saw a real-life Facebook fight at dinner.
And it was like, and someone else texted me, and he said, I just saw a real-life Twitter interaction in the grocery store.
So this behavior that generally is relegated to the way we are when we're anonymous or not anonymous online with each other that you would never necessarily be if you were face-to-face, Because everybody's been online, it's like they're starting to behave that way in real life.
That's not good.
joe rogan
Well, that's what everybody was afraid of when it comes to video games.
People were afraid that violent video games were forcing people or were going to cause people to be violent in real life.
I don't think that's real.
bridget phetasy
I think they've done studies that that's not real.
They've never proven that.
I think there's actually violence that's gone down.
joe rogan
Yes, I think it's the opposite.
But I think that there's something about the way human beings are just interacting with other human beings.
Those video games, you're not shooting a real person.
You're shooting an avatar.
You're shooting a thing, and it's fun.
The thing about interaction with people is you're really hurting someone's feelings.
And then you get used to doing that.
And then you're not around people a lot.
Most of your interactions are just this way.
And then when you are around people, you behave in the same way that you would if people were in front of you.
bridget phetasy
I mean, I think about how many mental health tools I need.
I'm like you, I have mental health problems.
I've had anxiety in my past.
I had debilitating hypochondria that I overcame.
joe rogan
How'd you overcome it?
bridget phetasy
Man, I should really write a book about it.
I should write, kill your hypochondria before it kills you.
Because it was debilitating.
unidentified
That's a good title.
Solid title.
bridget phetasy
It was debilitating.
joe rogan
Most people don't get past that.
bridget phetasy
My therapist was like, how did you do this?
But it was basically, I took, okay, so it was kind of a three-pronged attack because I'm like, I can't live like this.
Because hypochondria truly makes you feel insane.
And you know, you can objectively know I'm crazy, but your mind gets stuck.
It's like OCD. And so it's kind of based in OCD because you get stuck in a loop.
Like I would just get stuck in a loop.
For instance, like there's something wrong with my lip.
There's something wrong with my lip.
I don't know.
I would just get stuck in that loop.
I have throat cancer.
I have throat cancer.
I would just be stuck in this crazy loop.
It's insane.
joe rogan
Did it come slowly?
bridget phetasy
It got worse.
joe rogan
Did you always have it?
bridget phetasy
No.
I think I come from a long line of hypochondriacs now.
My mom used to have...
Do you remember those books before the internet where it was like, if you have this...
It was like a choose your own adventure, but it was like, if you have this symptom...
Before the internet, there were these books where you'd be like, if you have this symptom, go to page 233. And if you have this...
And I remember my mom would use those quite a lot.
So I think she has some of it.
My dad is just a big worrywart.
So I have that kind of neurotic energy, I believe.
But I think, too, I was smoking a lot of weed.
And I mostly got it when I was hungover.
Like, that's when it would be the worst, is I would be hungover.
So anyway...
joe rogan
Probably because you were realizing what you did to your body.
bridget phetasy
I think I just had, I had to attack it from three different places.
So the first is the actual, I was like, alright, I'm going to rewire my fucking brain.
And I I set myself out to do this.
And I put a rubber band on and I did that stupid thing, but it totally worked where if I was like, there's something wrong with my lip and I'd snap my rubber band and I'd be like, I'm healthy.
I would just replace it with I am healthy.
joe rogan
How did you come up with that idea?
bridget phetasy
I read somewhere that it's a good way to help with repetitive thoughts or to just help yourself.
I mean, I was training my dog at the same time, too, and I was like, this is kind of like dog training.
I just have to interrupt that.
joe rogan
That's hilarious!
bridget phetasy
That firing.
And there's that whole idea of what fires together, wires.
It's not even an idea.
It's like what fires together, wires together.
So every time...
The other thing I had to do was be...
joe rogan
Explain that?
bridget phetasy
What fires together, wires together.
So it's this concept of whatever you're kind of thinking...
And acting on, it just creates like a pathway, a neural pathway in your brain that gets stronger and stronger.
If it's like the, like for instance, so this is why part two was replacing the thought, but I also couldn't act on it.
So I couldn't go look in the mirror.
I couldn't go Google anything if I thought I had cancer.
I had to cut myself off from acting on, because a lot of people who have hypochondria, they'll obsessively Google it.
They'll go get tested for everything.
They'll spend thousands of dollars getting tests.
Luckily, I didn't have insurance.
I was too poor to really lean fully into my hypochondria that way.
And I just had to stop myself from the action because anytime you have a thought and you act on it, it reinforces that connection, that mind-body connection, and it would reinforce that pattern of worrying.
And then I had to start observing.
I kept, this is very, I guess too, it's very like CBT, so cognitive behavioral therapy.
I didn't know this is kind of what I was doing, but I would keep, now they have very, it's like you keep a record, what they call a thought log.
And I would just document when I had the thought, what brought it up, like what triggered that thought, because there's always kind of a trigger, and then what action I took and what action I could take to replace it.
And so I, sometimes it's just not acting on it at all.
And then I started working with therapists on all the things that were underpinning those, the triggering thoughts.
So one was like I couldn't hold joy.
I just, anytime I felt like I was excited about doing anything, I was going to Hawaii, that was when I was like perseverating on my lips.
And I couldn't, it was like I could not enjoy anything without my brain telling me that everything was going to shit and I was gonna die.
So I had to look at that.
Where does that come from?
Feelings of worthlessness, upbringing, whatever.
Then the other one was shame around sexuality.
There was just a lot of shame around...
I was pretty promiscuous when I was drinking a lot, and I wasn't always proud of the men I woke up with.
It happens to the party girls.
You know, I was an international slut.
I'm Catholic too, raised Catholic, so that shit got squirted in before I had a chance in hell.
And so there's lots of shame around that that I had to really look at and deal with.
And yeah, so I just started looking at all this stuff and I like, it took me, it was work.
It was freaking work.
And now I'm like completely free of it.
joe rogan
That's amazing.
bridget phetasy
Yeah.
joe rogan
That's amazing you did that.
Congratulations.
bridget phetasy
I mean, I definitely, I feel like I can live and breathe and I can just be present.
Meditation was big.
And then, I think a lot of people forget that, you know, drinking and substances are not a coping mechanism.
They can be if you are not using them addictively.
But for many people, like drinking is, they'll be like, I have a coping tool, it's drinking.
I'm like, that's not a coping tool.
joe rogan
It exacerbates it.
unidentified
It does.
joe rogan
Whether you like it or not.
bridget phetasy
So I had to quit that and I was joking just like how many fucking things I need to do to start my day.
I'm like, I wake up, I meditate, I have to like, you know, I have to work out or I'm a crazy person.
I've got to sweat.
I just know what I have to do.
And people, it's important, I think instead of, and people ask me all the time how I deal with the online hate and all that.
I'm like, just go work out.
That's my answer to everything.
joe rogan
Yeah, that's an answer people don't want to hear though because it requires effort.
And it requires, like, as much as it's difficult when you're sitting down in front of a computer to overcome procrastination and write, multiply that times 10 and it's getting to the gym.
Because the physical discomfort of, you're like, oh...
Your brain will mindfuck you.
That's why I have mugs and t-shirts that say, conquer your inner bitch.
bridget phetasy
I love that.
joe rogan
That's what it is.
There's a thing.
It's in me.
I was talking to David Goggins.
Who's one of the most savage people that's on the planet today.
And he and I had a long, hilarious conversation on the phone yesterday about it.
And I said, one of the things that I really appreciate about you is you talk about your struggles.
Like, there's a video that I put up on my Instagram the other day.
I just wrote, stay hard, and it's his video.
And it's him talking about this struggle that he has.
David Goggins, one of the hardest men alive, he has this struggle sometimes when he gets up, he just starts feeling sorry for himself.
unidentified
Yeah.
joe rogan
He starts feeling like, just like, fuck, I'm tired.
I don't want to do this.
bridget phetasy
Yeah.
joe rogan
And then he actually says, he said those thoughts into a tape recorder or a phone or whatever the fuck it is and then listened to it play back.
And he's like, I sounded like a straight bitch!
unidentified
Yeah.
bridget phetasy
That's hilarious.
joe rogan
But he realized it.
And then he got fired up and went out and did it.
But what I said to him is what's so important about him and why he's so important to people is because he shows you the weakness.
He shows you that he has these thoughts himself, but he just always wins.
He overcomes those.
But he knows that those demons are there.
They're there for everybody.
But he's just got a long history of overcoming those demons.
And so he knows that he just has to go to work.
bridget phetasy
It's the warrior ethos.
It's something I've really always tried to develop in myself and I respect in other people.
And I think that you don't have to be a literal warrior to develop that ethos.
And it's something that used to be so respected and Sparta and...
There are just so many...
That was something that was revered, and I feel like in our society now, because victimhood has become currency, no warrior in the fucking world would ever want to be considered a victim.
They will die on their own sword.
joe rogan
Yeah.
bridget phetasy
And it's important that I think people like David and you and just to really embrace that spirit and try and promote it because ultimately it feels better to work against your worst instincts.
joe rogan
It does.
bridget phetasy
It just, it might be harder, but it feels, at the end, it feels so good.
You don't have to do a lot.
This is the other thing that I love about, there's this great book, Tiny Habits, and it's all about bundling habits and how you don't have to start every day and say, I'm going to start working out every day an hour.
No, you're probably going to fail.
Just start doing 10 minutes, and then you might do more.
joe rogan
Yeah.
bridget phetasy
And then bundle it with one minute of meditation and just start little increments and just be consistent, you know?
unidentified
That's great advice.
joe rogan
That's great advice.
bridget phetasy
Because it really is about building healthy habits, not so much, it's just, my friend said to me, it's more habits, less goals.
Because we're so goal-oriented, and goals are good to work towards, but you're not going to get there without healthy, consistent habits.
Discipline is fucking hard.
joe rogan
It is fucking hard.
bridget phetasy
It's hard to be disciplined.
joe rogan
It is hard.
And the victim mentality, one of the reasons why I reject it so heavily is because it's completely contrary to comedy.
If everyone is a victim and you can't have any victims ever, well then you can't have any jokes.
bridget phetasy
No.
joe rogan
Because you're making fun of things that are preposterous.
And as soon as you can't make fun of things that are preposterous, Like, we were talking before about this Vice thing that was written about transphobic episodes of this podcast, and one of the things that they wrote was that I incorrectly described how Caitlyn Jenner transitioned, or why Caitlyn Jenner transitioned.
I'm like, oh, you mean...
Chris Jenner isn't really a demon that hovers over his bed and whispers in his ear and converted him to a woman.
Like, what the fuck are you talking about?
This kind of nonsense is like...
And I know Caitlyn Jenner got mad at me.
I was only just recounting an old joke from 2016. Yeah.
I got no hate for that person.
bridget phetasy
No, no.
joe rogan
And I'm sorry if I said the wrong name.
I don't have any hate.
Yeah.
We are making big deals out of things that aren't big deals.
And we're turning jokes into literal statements that is hate speech.
That shit is nonsense.
And you know it's nonsense.
And you know it's nonsense.
bridget phetasy
We were driving yesterday and there was a Planned Parenthood above a Mexican place that we drove by.
And I was like, pfft, okay.
Imagine you're going in and they're like, you're killing babies!
unidentified
And it's like, I just wanted to get a margarita.
bridget phetasy
And we were making all these jokes and I was like, God, it feels so good to just be able to joke freely because I feel like the world has become just a floor of eggshells and everyone's walking on eggshells all the time.
Can I say this?
Can I say this?
Because many people are dealing with mental illness and that's what it's like when you're dealing with Mentally ill people are constantly walking on eggshells.
But I always say to comedians, I'm like, don't die on the content of the joke.
Die on the right to be hyperbolic.
joe rogan
Yes.
bridget phetasy
Because that's what they're coming after.
joe rogan
Exactly.
bridget phetasy
They'll come after that.
I'm like, don't fight about the content of the joke.
Just fight for your right to be a hyperbolic comedian.
Because if we have that, we have nothing.
We have to be ridiculous.
We're fucking clowns.
joe rogan
Well, look at Joey Diaz.
He's the best example, and in my opinion, the funniest guy I've ever seen.
Everything he says is so over the top, but that's part of why you laugh.
You know he's not being honest.
He's making you laugh.
He's doing comedy.
And he's doing it by grossly, ridiculously exaggerating something so crazy.
bridget phetasy
Yeah, that's why I get mad when comedians are like, you who are...
Shitting on other comedians, when I see other comedians going after other comedians for their jokes, I'm like, what the fuck is happening here?
joe rogan
Well, they're always bad.
Here's the thing.
This is the fact.
The comedians that go after comedians for jokes, they're always mediocre.
I'm not trying to be mean.
bridget phetasy
No.
joe rogan
And I'm not always, as a generalization, it's the tool of the comic.
It's not always.
Some of them are good comics that do it erroneously.
But the thing that they're doing, they're doing because there's a feeling inside you that always feels bad that you don't reach the high marks.
There's like a thing where you don't quite, and then you see someone step out of line.
Maybe misstep.
Maybe they fuck up.
Maybe they make a joke and it doesn't work.
And you want to attack them.
Patrice O'Neill said it best.
And he said, when someone tells a joke that kills or someone says a joke that offends people and doesn't work, it all comes in the same place.
And that place is you're trying to be funny.
That's what you're trying to do.
You're not trying to be mean.
I remember particularly the early days of my stand-up comedy when I was terrible.
I would just say anything to get a laugh.
Anything.
And I didn't have to believe it at all.
I literally didn't have to mean it.
If I knew it would work, and I treated comedy jokes like hammers.
It was like a hammer.
I'm just looking for a nail.
Like, does that work?
No, does that work?
I was lost in the woods.
I had a blindfold and I was feeling for trees.
bridget phetasy
Yeah, everybody though.
joe rogan
That's what I did.
And then after a while, I realized, okay, well, some of these, I have to think they're funny.
And then it works better.
And then I just had to figure out who I was.
I got into comedy with very little real social life.
When I was 21, when I got into comedy, I'd only been fighting.
I didn't have a normal childhood.
unidentified
Right.
joe rogan
Like, my child from 15 to 21 was all kicking people in the face and getting kicked.
Like, that was my whole life.
So my whole sense of, like, what the world was was all fucked up.
So I had to develop opinions on things.
I had zero opinions on politics or weddings or anything.
So all I talked about for, like, the first year of comedy was sex.
bridget phetasy
Yeah.
joe rogan
That was my whole act.
bridget phetasy
That's common.
joe rogan
But that's all I had.
unidentified
Yeah.
bridget phetasy
That's pretty common, especially when you're 21. Exactly.
What other life experience do you have?
And by the way, thank God that's what you did.
unidentified
Yeah.
bridget phetasy
Because do you ever wonder where you would be if you were that age now?
joe rogan
Oh my God.
bridget phetasy
You'd be out in the streets.
joe rogan
I would have a real problem.
bridget phetasy
You'd be at an Antifa.
joe rogan
I don't know what I would do.
But the point is like...
When I would tell a joke outside of sex, I really didn't know what was funny.
I knew certain things were funny with sex, so I had those jokes.
But if I would tell a joke about something else, I was just swinging at the wind.
bridget phetasy
I love the process of finding what's funny, though.
Even though it's uncomfortable and awkward, I was trying to get this bit where I was talking about how my dad sat me down to have an awkward conversation about freezing my eggs.
And I was like...
Too old.
I was like 37. I was like, Dad, isn't this like asking me if I want to freeze the chicken like seven days after it's been in the fridge?
You know, you're probably not going to unfreeze that chicken.
It just seems like too...
It's like past its prime already.
I feel like maybe you should have had this conversation with me when I was like 30, not 37. It just seems so...
unidentified
And he's like, I didn't realize you had a whole chicken metaphor worked out.
bridget phetasy
He's like all...
And so I was trying to do this and all I kept getting was like, aww, from the audience.
And I hate the pity.
I'm like, I'm up here talking about, it's fine.
You don't have to feel bad for me, but that's my job as a comedian to be like, okay, why is everyone feeling sorry for me?
joe rogan
There's a lot of gals out there freezing eggs and I just want to put my hands on their shoulder and go, keep those fucking eggs frozen.
Just keep the eggs frozen.
unidentified
Stop.
bridget phetasy
Do you know that 99% of eggs don't get used?
joe rogan
I'm sure.
bridget phetasy
It's something crazy.
I could be wrong, but it's a crazy high percentage of eggs that don't get used.
joe rogan
Listen, you don't have to have kids.
bridget phetasy
It's expensive.
joe rogan
Yeah.
bridget phetasy
Kids are expensive, but freezing your eggs is fucking expensive.
joe rogan
Oh, I'm sure it's expensive.
bridget phetasy
And you have to store them.
You've got to pay a freaking storage fee.
joe rogan
Listen, having kids is awesome.
Don't get me wrong.
unidentified
Yeah.
joe rogan
But you don't have to have kids.
unidentified
Yeah.
joe rogan
This idea that the path that everybody takes is the path you have to have.
There's something about it that used to infuriate me when I was younger, where people with children would tell you you have to have a child.
unidentified
Yeah.
bridget phetasy
That feels like a prisoner telling me that I need to commit a crime.
unidentified
Yes.
bridget phetasy
Like, come with us.
joe rogan
You don't have to.
bridget phetasy
No.
joe rogan
No, you don't have to.
Look, I don't...
I don't have a steadfast rule for anything involving human beings and their path in life as long as they're doing no harm.
I think as soon as someone does, I always feel like they're trying to justify their own path.
How many people who do certain things want you to do those things as well?
unidentified
Yeah.
bridget phetasy
I appreciate the honest parents.
My sister is like, don't have kids.
And she's kidding.
And it's another one of those things that, in my instance, it was less about having a kid and more about having a family.
And I had never, at that point, met a man that I wanted to really have a family with, and that was important to me.
I know it's crazy, wanting a man in my life and all.
unidentified
Can I get canceled for that one?
bridget phetasy
And so it just, it hadn't, you know, I'm very, and then I was, I hit 40, and I was like, ah, shit.
Am I gonna regret this?
Is it something that, you know, I'm more worried about looking back and being like, I should've, but I just, You could always adopt.
I could always adopt.
There's so many kids who need good parents and I feel so, I am truly like that woo kind of hippie chick who's like, I'm right where I should be.
I have to believe.
joe rogan
But you are.
You are right where you should be.
You're right, considering especially your past, you are right where you should be.
bridget phetasy
Yeah, and considering, I mean, even just this whole trip to Texas has been so informative because I went to go, I went through the process of looking at houses just to see, found out all this stuff, but really I was like, oh, I can buy a house.
That was an amazing moment for me because I went bankrupt when I was 26 and I have worked really hard to, I had to like repair my credit.
I had to get a little baby $300 a month card that I paid off in full and you know I had to focus on that shit and I feel it was a nice moment to be like okay alright I can see the path forward and so many times in my life When I thought I wanted something, I really wanted to write for Maxim when I was 23. I recently found the proposal.
It's hilarious.
But I was like, yeah, I was such a boy's girl.
I moved a lot, and the guys were always nice to me, and they always let me in their clubs.
So I was at poker nights and bachelorette parties and all that shit where women generally weren't allowed.
And I had access to just the male brain, and they felt comfortable being their disgusting selves around me, and I didn't judge them for it.
So I was like, I need to write for Maxim.
I get these dudes.
I want to write sex advice.
And I never really got that column.
I didn't know anybody...
I was living in a small town.
I was talking to Colin about this today.
I was like, I was so delusional.
I was waiting tables, and I was like the town drunk telling people when I was serving them french fries, like, remember my name.
joe rogan
Did you really?
I'm going to be fucking huge.
bridget phetasy
I'm going to be huge one day.
They're like, can you get me coleslaw instead of fries, young lady?
What are you talking about?
I'm pretty sure I saw you peeing in the alley the other night.
joe rogan
That's why you got to forgive people when they're young.
bridget phetasy
Yeah.
joe rogan
When you see someone acting really ridiculous when they're young, don't write them off forever.
bridget phetasy
Yeah.
I mean, it's been a lot.
joe rogan
Take a bounce back.
bridget phetasy
The story, I think about the long fucking road that has been to even, and so I didn't get that, but then I ended up writing for Playboy, which was even better.
It was on the internet, you know, and I wanted to write for Maxim.
We only had magazines, and it was much bigger than I could have imagined, but in the same space.
And so, you know, there might be another better thing.
joe rogan
Yeah.
bridget phetasy
Like rejection, I love that phrase, rejection is God's protection.
I love that.
And my therapist always says...
joe rogan
God's protection.
bridget phetasy
Yeah, it's like you being rejected by a man or a woman or somebody...
Or a life opportunity.
It's just because there's something better or you're a jerk.
joe rogan
Well, I've always felt like it just means whatever it is, whether you're rejected for a job or either you're not good enough or the system's fucked.
bridget phetasy
Oh, see, I mean, maybe.
joe rogan
One of those things is, well, there's a lot of people that get jobs that do not deserve them, and people that do deserve those jobs don't get them.
bridget phetasy
Yeah, that's true.
joe rogan
Because of cronyism, nepotism, there's a lot of fuckery that goes on with it, but that's okay, too.
But...
A lot of times it's a wake-up call.
There's a lot of people, like when you were telling people, remember my name, there's a lot of people that really believe there's something that they're not.
And the only way to find out that you are not that person is to be defeated.
And that's one of the reasons why I think martial arts is so important for men.
Because men have it in their head, this ridiculous idea that there's something that they're not.
And the best way to find out that you are something that you're not is to get squashed.
So you get squashed a lot.
bridget phetasy
I've eaten a lot of humble pie.
joe rogan
Well, anyone who gets good at jiu-jitsu has been fucking manhandled for a long time.
And to reach a black belt in jiu-jitsu, or even a purple belt, which is what Andrew Yang thinks every police officer should be, and I think so too.
bridget phetasy
Yeah, that's true.
joe rogan
You get your fucking ass handed to you for years.
bridget phetasy
Yeah.
joe rogan
Yeah.
I mean, I can think.
I can close my eyes.
Just think all the time, like, strangled, tapped.
unidentified
I tapped.
bridget phetasy
Ah, tap.
joe rogan
Tap on my leg.
Ah, tap.
It's just like you lose all the time.
Most men don't have enough opportunities in life to lose.
Losing is very important.
bridget phetasy
It is important.
joe rogan
Failing and losing are so huge.
They're so important.
bridget phetasy
And we live in a culture that doesn't really...
It's obviously very success-driven and everybody...
And you see the 10 years to become an overnight success or whatever.
I'm like...
I ate so much.
I was telling this story today with Colin just about how I was so delusional and I went bankrupt.
I started Phetasy.com because it was greeting cards and t-shirts.
I had this great idea and then I had no business acumen and I drove around America Highest gas prices ever in America, I think, to this day for six months.
And I was like selling t-shirts on the beach, telling people like, yo, remember this?
They're like, it's spring break.
I'm not going to remember anything.
Yeah, I was just delusional.
And I would just...
I came out here and then...
My cousin, who's my partner on a lot of stuff, I'm like, you know what?
We can turn this company around.
I was like on the verge of bankruptcy.
I'm like, we're going to go to Costco and we're going to get some whiteboards.
And we got $600 worth of stuff.
And two cards.
I was maxed out on my credit cards.
I go to pay with my credit card and they're like, we don't take credit cards because Costco, they only take like that one kind American Express or I think it's changed now, Visa or something.
So they only took one and they wouldn't take it.
And then we just had to like abandon...
Why did I think that dry erase boards was the thing that I needed in that moment, spending $600?
And I do tell young people who come to me for advice, I'm like, you have to kind of be a little delusional in a creative path in particular, because The difference between delusions and dreams is hard work.
You're delusional if you're sitting in your mom's basement and you're like, I'm going to do this and you're never doing anything.
But you do need a little bit of overachieving delusion to kind of push yourself...
joe rogan
You could call it that.
I would just call it ambition.
Yeah, but...
Ambition and a trust in the process.
bridget phetasy
Yeah, yeah.
joe rogan
If you're a comedian, you're terrible, right?
But you think...
bridget phetasy
I know a lot of terrible comedians who have been hugely successful, so...
joe rogan
As terrible comedians.
bridget phetasy
I might attribute that.
joe rogan
A few of those are joke thieves.
But a lot of them, they start out bad, but they have these moments where they get laughs.
If you could figure out what happened there and then take those embers and blow on them and use it and figure out how to recreate that and then figure out how to get better at it, it can be done.
But you also have to be ruthlessly introspective.
And that is a thing that most people are not willing to do.
Most people want to protect themselves from their failures and they want to pretend that it was other people's fault or people were plotting against them or, you know, how come it always happens to them or he gets all the breaks and all these...
All that shit does you zero good and just pushes people away from you.
It creates the exact opposite amount of...
The exact opposite kind of energy that you need to be successful.
What you need to be successful is pain.
bridget phetasy
Yeah.
joe rogan
All my best growth moments in comedy came after I bombed.
Like embarrassing, horrific bombings.
Those are when I got my shit together and I got better.
And I go, oh my god, I can't do that again.
And then I got better.
There's been a series.
There's big ones in my life where I was like, it was the worst feelings I've ever had.
bridget phetasy
Yeah, it's not.
joe rogan
I've had losses in fights.
Losses feel bad.
bridget phetasy
I get PTSD just talking about bombings from some of the bombings.
joe rogan
Bombing's worse than getting your ass kicked is what I'm trying to say.
Bombing feels worse than getting your ass kicked.
It really does.
bridget phetasy
I had one at the comedy store that I still remember like it was yesterday.
It was a monumental, a guy that I was kind of having an affair with actually.
He was there with his friends, which is even worse.
I would have rather it had been a thousand strangers.
And they kept pushing me and pushing me because I'm nobody.
And I just kept drinking and drinking and drinking.
And I got on stage and I was like, I'm cold and afraid.
And that was it.
And then I blanked.
I couldn't remember anything.
It was...
unidentified
It was horrific.
bridget phetasy
You know, you feel me.
unidentified
It was horrific.
joe rogan
Yeah, 100%.
I can't watch open mic nights.
I can't.
One of the reasons why I take great comedians on the road with me, I always take funny people because there's nothing...
Weirder to me than watching someone who's not funny and then thinking I can go be funny.
I feel like nothing's funny.
If I see someone eat shit, I'm like, oh my god, comedy doesn't work.
There's no comedy.
It's not real.
This can't be done.
It can't be done.
This person's bombing.
Nothing is funny.
Nothing they're saying makes me think, oh yeah, I know it's funny.
And then if you go on after someone who bombs, who's terrible, you have to kind of reintroduce the idea of things being funny.
bridget phetasy
Yeah.
joe rogan
Like, it's a lot more work.
unidentified
Yeah.
bridget phetasy
This actually happened to me in a situation that I had no business being in, which was often the case with stand-up.
And it was...
They had made some deal where Bill Burr was performing, who's a god.
And then there was just a bunch of nobodies who they had arranged that would kind of just open for him, basically, so that he could do his hour that he was testing.
Because he doesn't give a fuck.
They're not here to see any of us.
They're just here to see him.
And the girl, I was the girl in between a girl who bombed and Bill.
And I was like, this is so much fresher.
Thank God I didn't, in that instance, I didn't bomb.
But it was, you were like, the audience is traumatized.
joe rogan
Right, right, right.
bridget phetasy
They need to recover.
They need to, you need to bring them back and let them know everything's okay.
Yeah.
joe rogan
There's also the thing where you know that someone who's going on after you is just way better than you, and you just start judging your act and judging all of your material.
unidentified
Oh, God.
joe rogan
Second-guessing your taglines.
bridget phetasy
Yeah.
That was like...
Who was it?
Jeff Garland.
I was opening for him, and I was just so paranoid.
I got in my head the first show.
It was a disaster.
And he's like, no one gives a fuck, Bridget.
They're here to see me.
He's like, you can go.
He's like, I... I demand you go out there and bomb.
And he's like, you need to try all new stuff.
He was great.
He pushed me.
He's like, I don't care.
Go out and be like, I'm going to come out.
Because you know him.
He just has like the awkward silences that he loves.
I love when he's like, no, most people in this moment would be uncomfortable.
It's just silent.
And they'll like sit down.
Just take a load off.
And yeah, I've learned a lot.
I mean, I definitely learned more from bombing than I have from...
joe rogan
Yeah, that's where you learn.
Well, you definitely learn from killing, too.
bridget phetasy
Well, that just feels like...
joe rogan
Feels awesome.
But it also does teach you what's good in your act and the pacing and correct pacing and how you're presenting bits.
I never leave a bit alone until I'm ready to film it.
I'm always fucking moving things around and trying to find a better way.
And you find out through whether or not it works.
bridget phetasy
What's your process for writing?
joe rogan
Well, there's a bunch of different ways.
Sometimes I just have an idea and I just write it down on my phone.
Sometimes I'll be talking to my wife and I'm like, I got an idea.
And she understands.
So I just run away.
I run away.
Like literally run.
And I just write it down.
It's like they're slippery fish.
bridget phetasy
Yeah, they're very...
You're like, I'll remember that.
You'll never remember it.
joe rogan
I know now that I don't remember it.
So if a good one pops in my head, I will literally run away in a restaurant.
I'll get up and run.
bridget phetasy
Yeah.
joe rogan
And like, what the fuck is he doing?
bridget phetasy
Do you audio?
Yes, sometimes.
Okay, so you can hear that.
joe rogan
Sometimes I audio.
Well, also, sometimes if I'm high, especially, and I think, I'm not going to remember this.
I have to say it, because I won't remember it while I'm writing it, because I'm really high.
unidentified
Right.
bridget phetasy
You're like, this is genius.
joe rogan
In the middle of writing, I'm like, what was I saying?
So I have to say it, because it's quick.
So I have like, when I swipe down on my iPhone, the audio recorder is one of the things that's built in there.
So I just swipe down, hit that, and start yapping.
That helps.
But the other thing is like sitting...
And sometimes they're just ideas that I have that I bounce around in my head while I'm driving around.
I'm trying to figure out how to work it out.
And then I bring them on stage raw.
Sometimes I haven't even written it down.
And I just fuck around with it on stage just to see if I can find a place for it.
But then the big thing to me is also sitting in front of a computer.
And I know a lot of comics don't like that.
But some of my best bits have come from sitting down and going over the bit.
And going over material.
And also writing essays.
Like I write essays.
And so I'll write like a couple thousand words, but I'll extract a sentence.
And that one sentence will be a bit.
But if I don't sit and write that, I don't get that sentence.
And a lot of comics say, oh, I write on stage.
I'm like, yeah, I do too.
I do too.
But I also make myself sit down.
Look, I need a new hour every two years.
Really a new hour every year.
Because the last year is really just hammering the samurai sword down Bing!
unidentified
Bing!
Bing!
joe rogan
It's honing the blade.
But the metal has to be in position after a year.
So I have to get something.
You can come up with it on your own.
You can just talk and go on stage.
Socializing with friends, a lot of times things come out.
Socializing with friends, good ideas will pop into my head.
You're laughing, having fun, you say something crazy.
You're like, oh my god, you should use that.
And you write that down, but there's no substitute for actually writing.
bridget phetasy
Yeah.
joe rogan
For sitting down and writing.
bridget phetasy
Yeah, just sitting your ass in that chair and doing the work.
joe rogan
It's like, it doesn't hurt.
bridget phetasy
Yeah, no.
joe rogan
This is what I tell young comics.
They're like, well, I really feel comfortable writing like that because it always comes out forced.
Yeah, get better at it.
unidentified
Yeah, yeah.
joe rogan
Like, that's the argument that I've talked to comics that just do crowd work.
unidentified
Yeah.
joe rogan
Whenever I do bits, it seems fake.
I'm like, well, that's because they're not good.
bridget phetasy
Yeah.
joe rogan
You gotta get better at doing that.
bridget phetasy
Do you like crowd work?
joe rogan
I'd do it if some shit is going on.
bridget phetasy
Yeah, yeah.
joe rogan
But, you know, I'll do it occasionally just to have fun.
bridget phetasy
Yeah.
joe rogan
But I feel like it's a weird sort of fake immediacy.
Like, there's a fake energy.
Like, oh my god, this is coming out of nowhere.
bridget phetasy
Yeah.
joe rogan
This is so much funnier than it really is.
Because people are laughing really loud because they know that you're coming up with it in the moment.
It's fun sometimes, but there's no substitute for real bits.
A real killer bit.
That's what I like.
When I would listen to Richard Pryor or Sam Kinison, I wanted those fucking...
Perfectly honed chunks.
bridget phetasy
That's like Chappelle.
I mean, God, I watch his stuff and I'm like, he is like a master class.
Just the way that he constantly misdirects and it's like, the joke's always on you!
Yeah, yeah, yeah.
Just so, I mean, that opening to the most recent one, The Sticks and Stones, it's just how he manages to bring it back to the Anthony Bourdain thing, and then he's like, and this guy, I mean, he's just a master.
You see somebody who's so gifted at that.
joe rogan
We're so dedicated.
bridget phetasy
I feel this way about Colin Quinn, actually, that New York special that he did, did you ever see that?
No, I haven't seen it.
joe rogan
Colin's a genius.
bridget phetasy
He's a genius.
I watched it and re-watched it again immediately because I was like, how the fuck did he just do that?
He tells the whole history of New York and it's all in jokes.
I think Seinfeld directed it.
It's on Netflix.
It is genius.
I've never seen anything like it, really.
It was like the history of New York in an hour.
joe rogan
He's so unappreciated.
bridget phetasy
So unappreciated.
joe rogan
Yeah.
And comics appreciate it.
I remember one time I did Tough Crowd and Colin was working the – he was warming up the audience and he just did a stand-up.
So there's an audience there to see Tough Crowd and Colin is just doing stand-up for the audience and it is so good.
I remember thinking afterwards like, wow, his stand-up was so much better than the show itself.
I was like, it's kind of interesting that people don't know how good he is.
bridget phetasy
He's so good.
His Red State, Blue State that he did is genius.
It aired on CNN and now it's on Netflix, but it was a roast of all 50 states.
It's freaking hilarious.
joe rogan
It's amazing.
bridget phetasy
Yeah, he's really underappreciated.
What have you learned in your time off?
What have you learned about your comedy?
What are your...
joe rogan
I can live without it and learn that.
unidentified
Oh.
joe rogan
I can survive.
bridget phetasy
Well, yeah.
joe rogan
Without it.
bridget phetasy
I mean, you're not twitchy?
joe rogan
Oh, well, I got twitchy the one time I did it.
I did it in Houston.
I did a weekend at the improv.
But then I got twitchy about giving people the COVID. I got worried.
I'm like, what if I got it?
And then I gave it to somebody.
bridget phetasy
Yeah, that would worry me.
joe rogan
Started getting weirded out about that.
I got weirded out about, like...
You know, someone who's compromised getting it because of my carelessness.
And then I thought about it.
I was like, also, then there's people that are in the audience.
Like, are you responsible?
If people come to see you and then someone in the audience gets COVID, like, are you responsible for that?
bridget phetasy
Not directly.
unidentified
Not directly, but do you feel guilt-free?
bridget phetasy
Yeah, no.
joe rogan
You don't feel guilt-free.
Like, if you find out that a fan who loved you but was overweight and they came to see you and they got COVID and died after your show, like, fuck.
bridget phetasy
Yeah, you'd feel horrible.
joe rogan
You'd feel horrible.
bridget phetasy
If you were a decent person.
joe rogan
So I decided, okay, this is not...
I don't know if there's a way to do this where people don't get sick.
bridget phetasy
What about the drive-thrus?
Aren't people doing that?
joe rogan
That seems whack.
I know Bert loves him.
Bert loves him.
But Bert's crazy.
unidentified
Yeah.
joe rogan
And he's always drunk.
So it's like, it's hard to...
bridget phetasy
He's having a blast.
joe rogan
He loves it.
bridget phetasy
Yeah.
joe rogan
But Bert just wanted to perform, you know, and he figured out a way to do it.
I mean, I'm pretty sure that the drive-in movie comedy thing was his idea.
bridget phetasy
Oh, wow.
joe rogan
I think he's the one that started doing it, and he's the one, for sure, who's doing it on the biggest scale.
He told me he did a show.
I go, how many people were there?
He goes, 700 cars.
unidentified
Oh, wow.
joe rogan
I go, 700 cars.
bridget phetasy
That's crazy.
joe rogan
That's a lot of people.
bridget phetasy
Yeah.
joe rogan
You've got to figure that's at least 1,400 people.
bridget phetasy
Yeah, at least.
joe rogan
Maybe more.
bridget phetasy
Yeah.
joe rogan
And he said at the end of it, they were flashing their lights, and it was like a fucking UFO. He said it was awesome.
bridget phetasy
Oh, that's kind of cool.
joe rogan
Listen, he just wanted to be out there.
bridget phetasy
Yeah.
joe rogan
He just wanted to be out there doing stand-up, and it's going well.
He's selling out all over the place.
bridget phetasy
I feel bad for the comedians who were just getting that momentum.
The ones that were grinding and grinding and grinding.
I've been thinking a lot about this just with COVID. How much momentum was just stopped.
All over the world.
Just the momentum for musicians.
You know, I heard this story about a musician.
People starting business.
Just stopped.
Yeah, people going to college sports.
But these comedians who aren't making money.
joe rogan
Or musicians who aren't making money.
Because musicians only make money touring.
bridget phetasy
Yeah, but we're just about to start making money.
Maybe not even just beginning.
joe rogan
Like my friend Allie.
Allie Mikofsky.
She was opening for me.
Just really starting to get paid work.
And then was actually starting the headline.
And then...
It all went away.
bridget phetasy
Yeah.
joe rogan
Now she's living with her mom.
bridget phetasy
Oh, wow.
joe rogan
There's no money.
There's no money.
How do you make money?
The only way a comic survives today is if they started a podcast before all this shit happened.
unidentified
Yeah, yeah.
joe rogan
And I have been telling comics this from the fucking jump.
bridget phetasy
You were the one who told me to start mine.
joe rogan
Yes, and you listened.
bridget phetasy
I did.
joe rogan
Yes.
bridget phetasy
You told me.
I remember where I was.
It was at the Comedy Store.
And you were like, start a podcast!
And I was like, Joe Rogan tells you to start a podcast.
I guess you should.
I was right.
joe rogan
Look, it's very successful now.
The thing is, it's a vehicle for you to be independent and to not just make money but also to get your voice out there.
You can get your opinions out there in a way that you don't have anybody leaning over your shoulder.
There was a time where I was doing the rounds with some radio people where there was some offers for me to do a radio thing.
And I was like, oh.
But there's going to be someone telling me what I can and can't say.
There's going to be someone bringing me guests.
Like this guest is going to come in and that guest is going to come in.
I'm like...
I could probably make do with that, but it would also be those...
There's uncomfortable moments.
I remember when I did radio where I knew the DJ did not want me there.
bridget phetasy
Right.
joe rogan
They weren't a fan of my comedy.
DJs are weird people.
They're like comics in a lot of ways, but a lot of them are like comics that never did comedy.
bridget phetasy
Right, right.
joe rogan
And they have this insecurity about the comics that are out there battling.
bridget phetasy
Yeah.
joe rogan
I remember one guy...
Was mad.
He said, looked like he had about two hours sleep.
He smelled like liquor.
I'm like, yeah.
Yeah, I'm a comic.
bridget phetasy
Yeah.
joe rogan
Yeah, I did have two hours sleep.
I did smell like liquor.
We were up having a good time.
I had a show last night, motherfucker.
unidentified
Yeah.
joe rogan
You know, we were up until four o'clock in the morning just laughing.
And then I came here at six.
Yeah, that's what happened.
unidentified
Fuck do you expect?
joe rogan
This is what I do, man.
bridget phetasy
I'm a comedian.
joe rogan
But there's something about the person who just...
The comic...
A lot of DJs, I think, secretly wanted to be comics.
unidentified
Yeah.
joe rogan
Because they'll try to be funny.
They'll try to be witty morning guy.
bridget phetasy
Yeah, yeah.
joe rogan
But they never put their balls in a wheelbarrow and made it onto that stage.
bridget phetasy
Yeah.
joe rogan
They never did.
bridget phetasy
So you were like, no radio?
Sticking with the podcast?
joe rogan
Well, I just didn't think anybody was going to hire me.
unidentified
Oh, okay.
joe rogan
But the problem was I was worried about having a place...
Where I could just say what I wanted to say.
I always knew someone was going to tell me not to do something.
It's so annoying when you say something funny and someone's like, you can't say that.
It's like, oh, you fuck.
There was an episode of Fear Factor once where this lady could not reach her hand into this barrel.
There's this barrel of worms to pull out a piece of paper.
And the piece of paper, I think, would say...
You have to eat one worm or no worms.
And I'm pretty sure she was vegan, too.
So she couldn't eat a worm because then she'd have to kill a thing.
bridget phetasy
It was hilarious.
joe rogan
So I go, just put your hand in there and grab the paper.
She's like, I can't.
I go, but you definitely can.
Trust me.
You can do it.
You put your hand in there, you grab the paper, and you do it.
I go, it's not that hard.
I'm telling you it's all in your head.
I'm going to help you through it.
And she's like, I just can't.
I can't.
I go, you're saying you can't, but that's not true.
It's difficult, but you can.
I go, watch.
I'm going to do it.
I go, want to watch?
And I put my hand in there and I pull out a piece of paper.
I go, see that?
I go, that's why only men get to be president.
And she was so mad at me.
I go, I'm joking.
I go, but you can do it.
But NBC wouldn't do it.
They cut it out.
And I remember this conversation I had with the producers.
I was like, why can't you say that?
I go, you understand I'm joking, right?
Well, a lot of people are going to get mad.
I go, yeah, a lot of people get mad at jokes.
But it's pretty clear that I'm joking.
And you know I'm a comedian.
And everybody else does too.
So what are we doing?
Like, what are we doing?
bridget phetasy
Yeah.
joe rogan
But I remember that feeling.
I'm like, it's going to be that.
It's going to be that all day.
unidentified
Yeah.
joe rogan
It's going to be that all the time.
It's going to be that.
But podcasts are the only place where a comic can say whatever the fuck they want.
bridget phetasy
Yeah.
joe rogan
But what I've been telling comics from the jump is this is the only place where you can do this.
bridget phetasy
Yeah.
joe rogan
Where you don't have any other people do it.
And thankfully, a lot of people have listened, particularly like Tom Segura and Christina.
Like, Tom and I had a conversation.
They're awesome.
They're moving out here.
unidentified
Hollywood.
Oh, I love her.
bridget phetasy
Coming out this week.
I just love her.
joe rogan
Yeah.
I hooked him up with my real estate agent.
So we were in the middle of this lockdown, and me and Tom were on the phone.
He goes, dude, thank God you told me to do this podcast.
bridget phetasy
Yeah.
joe rogan
He goes, what the fuck?
He goes, I was making so much money touring, and then I was basing my lifestyle off of that.
No one ever thought the plug would be pulled on like this.
unidentified
Yeah, yeah, yeah.
joe rogan
No one ever saw this coming.
But not just that.
They've established who they are through that podcast in a way.
Like, you realize how silly he is.
bridget phetasy
Yeah.
joe rogan
And how silly they are together.
bridget phetasy
Yeah, they're so cute.
joe rogan
They're awesome.
bridget phetasy
They're great.
joe rogan
They're my favorite...
Well, they're not my favorite...
Yeah, they are.
Okay.
They're my favorite comedy couple.
But...
There's a bunch of other ones like Bonnie McFarlane and Rich Voss and Natasha Leggero and Moshe Kasher.
There's a few that work.
And that's the answer to these people that say like, oh, comedians should never date other comedians.
bridget phetasy
Yeah, my whole theory.
One headshot per couple.
joe rogan
Yeah.
bridget phetasy
It's a good theory.
joe rogan
It's a good theory most of the time.
unidentified
Yeah.
joe rogan
But like all theories.
bridget phetasy
There's always a...
Yeah.
There's some that work, obviously.
I think they don't...
The thing I love about Tom and they just don't take themselves very seriously at all.
joe rogan
Or their opinions.
Yeah.
Even though they're super successful, they're not the people that tell you what you should and shouldn't do.
bridget phetasy
Yeah, no.
joe rogan
That shit's gross.
bridget phetasy
I don't want to do that.
It's like you were saying earlier about just letting people kind of find their path.
Because what worked for me isn't going to work for thee.
And this is what we're hearing from these kind of extremes is what's right for me is what's right for everybody.
joe rogan
What's right for me is what you have to do.
And if I think something, you must comply.
If I believe something, you can't say a thing.
You can't think a thing.
You must do this.
You've got to adhere to this or that.
There's just so much madness in the world when it comes to this shit.
bridget phetasy
It's weird.
It's interesting.
I understand Kanye.
Clearly, I pray for him.
unidentified
What?
bridget phetasy
You understand him?
I understand.
Right when he started wearing the MAGA hat, I was like, I get it.
I get it because there was so much pressure, especially like in LA and when you're living in that liberal bubble state.
There's so much ideological pressure.
I could feel it.
I could feel myself not wanting to say things and that's why I just was like, fuck it.
I'm saying whatever I want on Twitter.
I'll pay the consequences, whatever they might be, and I'm not going to censor myself.
I have the whole theory on Twitter, if you get a lot of followers for one tweet, you have to immediately tweet something that's the opposite so that you can weed out all the zealots and ideologues because that's the only way to purify your following from the radicals.
joe rogan
Does it work?
bridget phetasy
It does work.
I feel like, because I can see it in my mentions, for the most part, the people who follow me are in on the joke.
And there's some really smart, funny people, and I love it when they contribute to the joke.
I'll read my mentions, because they're usually freaking hilarious.
And then there's always one idiot who's like, oh, this is the most obvious grift I've ever seen.
I'm like, do you just...
unidentified
Yeah.
bridget phetasy
Yeah.
joe rogan
That grift word.
There's too many dorks that are using that word.
bridget phetasy
I know.
joe rogan
Oh, it's a grifter.
bridget phetasy
Okay.
joe rogan
Because I like using the word.
There are a lot of people that are fucking grifters.
unidentified
Yeah.
joe rogan
But there's too many people using that word.
It's a good word.
It's one of those words like- It's a fun word.
It's a really fun word.
bridget phetasy
It's a fun word to say.
It just has a good- I'll tell you where to find grifters.
Here's a fun thing to do.
I should start just a segment on my podcast.
I love reading Yelp reviews of psychics.
You want to talk about fucking grifters?
joe rogan
They're the biggest grifters.
bridget phetasy
I could read these.
For hours.
You want comedy, Joe?
Go read psychic reviews on Yelp.
joe rogan
Yeah, they are nothing but grift.
bridget phetasy
They're like, I came in and he didn't remember my name.
He should have known my name when I walked in.
The scenes that are set, like, I showed up and this woman was babysitting her grandchild and then she needed me to give them a ride.
I'm like, these...
People who are psychics are insane.
It's amazing.
All of your audience should take a moment, go read some psychic Yelp reviews.
When you're feeling down, you will immediately feel better about life.
joe rogan
There's all these people that want you to know that they know a psychic that's real.
Like, dude, I'm telling you, she knows.
She just knows things.
You gotta talk to her.
bridget phetasy
I had a girl on my podcast who was addicted to psychics, and I was like, come on, how bad could it have been?
And she was like, I spent $60,000 on psychics last year.
I'm like, okay, yeah, that's an addiction.
unidentified
Whoa!
joe rogan
How did she have that much money?
bridget phetasy
I mean, I think she had decent money, obviously.
unidentified
But that's the thing.
bridget phetasy
She was making decent money.
joe rogan
If you make more than $60,000 a year, you're probably not that much of a moron.
You've done well.
bridget phetasy
I mean...
joe rogan
If you have that money to blow on psychics, that's what's confusing about it.
bridget phetasy
It's crazy.
It's crazy.
And I think it got to the point where her psychic started feeling guilty because he told her that he had to cut her off.
That's like a drug dealer being like, you're a problem.
joe rogan
That's hilarious, bro.
You're taking in too much of this crack.
bridget phetasy
I thought she was kidding when she said it.
joe rogan
Her psyche cut her off.
unidentified
Yeah.
joe rogan
Oh my god, that's funny.
bridget phetasy
Amazing.
That's funny.
It was a wacky interview.
joe rogan
Those are dirty people.
They're evil people.
Those people in the seance people, those are even eviler.
Your father is talking to me from beyond the grave.
I sense he misses you.
bridget phetasy
Yeah.
joe rogan
Oh, give me money.
Give me money.
I was talking to your dead dad.
bridget phetasy
Do you believe in any kind of psychic powers?
joe rogan
I think it is likely that there are evolving senses that we are aware of and that we recognize, but that no one in this current state of evolution has a handle on how to control them.
I think there are moments when you think about people and they call you.
I think there are times when you know someone's lying.
There's a feeling you get when you know someone secretly hates you.
Right?
There's weird things where you go, I knew that, fucker.
There's something, and I don't know if those are based...
bridget phetasy
Is it like body language that you're picking up?
joe rogan
It could be that.
bridget phetasy
Yeah.
joe rogan
It could be that.
But there's also things like when you think about someone and they call.
unidentified
Yeah.
joe rogan
People say, oh, that's a coincidence.
You're right.
It could be a coincidence.
unidentified
Yeah.
joe rogan
But I'm not buying that all the time.
I think sometimes it's a coincidence, but I think sometimes there's a strange interconnectedness to life.
And I think that we used to be animals with no language.
And then we develop language.
And you're basically, when you're talking to me, when you and I are talking and you're speaking with your language, you're making sounds and I read your mind through those sounds.
And I recognize those sounds mean particular things.
I put them into my own organization of what they mean to me.
And they mean different things to different people, which is why things get confusing.
Which is also why I'm so ruthlessly opposed to compliance.
Because you're forcing me to accept your definition of what these sounds mean and what that means in terms of what the actual context of it is and what the intent is behind these sounds.
And it's creepy and sneaky.
bridget phetasy
Yeah.
Wildly debunked.
joe rogan
Yes.
unidentified
But I think...
joe rogan
Exactly.
It's been wildly debunked.
bridget phetasy
It's been wildly debunked by my opinion.
joe rogan
Drives me crazy.
But also just words you can and can't say.
bridget phetasy
Yeah.
joe rogan
But there's something about human beings where I feel like there is a connection that's like almost there.
bridget phetasy
Yeah.
joe rogan
It's like it comes together sometimes.
It's like just every now and then you get it, but you don't always have it.
There's something.
And when you do mushrooms, you have it in a big way.
One of the things of ayahuasca, when they first discovered ayahuasca, one of the ingredients that was later recognized as being already discovered to be a compound called harmine, they started calling it one of the ingredients that was later recognized as being already So the first people that were studying ayahuasca, the first scholars that were studying it,
The researchers were calling it telepathine until they realized that, you know, due to the rules of scientific nomenclature, it had already been established that was harming.
So they knew what the thing was.
But they were calling it telepathine because through this compound, people were having these shared experiences without talking.
And then when they relayed these experiences, they were actually communicating without talking.
And they were saying, there's a type of telepathy that's possible with this drug.
I think we are becoming something, and if we don't interfere, we probably will technologically and with Neuralink and all these other crazy things.
If we don't interfere, I think we will ultimately become more and more in tune with that, our ability to sense things and communicate non-verbally and read each other non-verbally.
There's something about us.
Where we connect in this way that you can't measure it.
You can't put it on a scale.
You can't put a tape measure to it.
But there's something to it.
bridget phetasy
I agree.
My best friend and I have always had that psychic connection and we just thought the adults weren't witches like we were and that they sucked.
So we always developed it, and to this day I can be like, call me Sarah telepathically, and she will, literally within a day, it feels like I'll hear from her randomly.
It's just that we intuitively know when we need each other.
And I worked with autistic kids for a while and part in one of my many jobs.
And I kind of have a weird theory that autism and the rise of it is the human brain and evolution.
And it just hasn't.
We're kind of catching it mid evolution because those kids have amazing gifts.
I saw some crazy shit working with autistic kids.
Just things that didn't make any sense.
Like my one example, I was working with a kid and he was nonverbal.
And we were in the playroom and he was, you know, he kept, he was obsessed with flies.
He would get obsessed with different things at different times.
And he would look up and then look back and look up and he was in his, we were like locked.
I thought it was locked.
It wasn't.
And he runs out of the room suddenly.
Runs through the laundry room, runs into the kitchen, and then mid-air grabs a fly as it's flying.
Yeah, I saw this.
I was running on his heels trying to catch him.
I was like, what the fuck?
And then he brings it back into the playroom and he would basically play with the fly until eventually it died.
unidentified
It died.
bridget phetasy
And that was just one of the, I mean, there were so many moments like that with all these different kids where I'm like, they're tapped into something else.
And if you lived in a world and say you had a sixth sense, say that you lived in a world where nobody could see and you were the only person who could see.
You'd be banging your fucking head on the wall too if you could see and everyone was like, what are you talking about?
So sometimes I wonder if it's not, they're not, like you're saying, maybe the brain is evolving and we're just catching, it just doesn't fit in society.
So they're feeling, because there's a lot I don't know.
I just saw so many.
The autistic kids are just amazing.
joe rogan
Some people have that feeling when it comes to autism and autistic kids that maybe that's an emerging type of consciousness.
And that even though we're looking at today as being a detriment, that it might be the standard in the future.
bridget phetasy
Yeah.
I mean, they have amazing...
Because like you were saying, we're animals.
And we've done...
I've always been fascinated with how out of touch we are with our instincts and Because they still run the show for all of us.
Most people right now, there's so much fear.
You can feel it everywhere.
There's so much fear.
Everyone's in fear, fear, fear, fear, fear, everywhere.
And that drives so much of this behavior that we're seeing, like tribalism and trying to be a tyrant and rule over people and feeling like you have to stop anything that...
Doesn't make you feel...
Even that language, like, I don't feel safe.
What is that?
Because of words.
Like, what does that even fucking mean?
I don't feel safe.
I'm not...
Okay, you don't feel safe by my words, but you, like, burning down a city is supposed to be okay.
You know, it's a weird...
We live in, like, weird times where there's so much...
But I feel like...
I think it was really shown in the tsunami.
Remember that huge tsunami that was in like 2006, was it?
Or 2005?
No, not the one in Japan.
The one that was in the Indian Ocean.
And all the animals ran away.
And all the humans ran to go see all the shells and shit and why the ocean was...
There were tons of people who drowned because they were like, what's happening?
And that's just evidence to me of how out of touch with...
I wonder if our ancestors would have made that same mistake.
Where they're like, what's happening?
I don't know.
joe rogan
I don't know.
bridget phetasy
Or would they have been like, we're following the animals.
joe rogan
Well, there's a real wonder.
What kind of understanding of animals and of the land and...
And storms coming and all sorts of shit that animals seem to tune in.
Did we lose when we had houses?
bridget phetasy
Did we lose it is what I'm wondering.
joe rogan
I wonder, right?
bridget phetasy
Or did we just never have it and we're morons?
joe rogan
Maybe.
Maybe that's it.
Well, don't you think also...
We're so much more capable of expressing ourselves.
We're so much more occupied with tasks and things, whether it's information or computers or TV or different people that we're talking to constantly, that the mind is overwhelmed.
How much time do you spend in the woods?
bridget phetasy
I spend a lot of time in nature.
joe rogan
Well, when you're there and you hear nothing, it's weird.
bridget phetasy
Oh, I love it.
joe rogan
There's a weird quiet to the mountains.
bridget phetasy
Desert, too.
joe rogan
Yeah.
bridget phetasy
I love it.
joe rogan
And also, it's humbling because it lets you know you ain't shit.
bridget phetasy
Not shit!
unidentified
You ain't shit.
bridget phetasy
That's why I love the desert.
I love it because it puts me in my place.
It's like everything in the desert has evolved to survive the harshest conditions on earth.
And everything there is either trying to kill you or will kill you.
joe rogan
Yeah.
bridget phetasy
And there's something about that painful evolution that all the plants and animals had to undergo that just speaks to me and just even the harsh, I mean, it's like nine o'clock in the morning, you're like, it's so hot, you're like, I'm gonna die.
joe rogan
And it's also, it doesn't care about you.
unidentified
No!
joe rogan
This ecosystem has existed long before you were ever here, and it's all working together.
The bugs are working with the lizards, with the snakes, and the plants, and the little water that there is, and the coyotes, and all this shit is working together.
And it's maintaining this system.
bridget phetasy
But I love that.
I mean, that's the thing that I feel like people are losing when they're looking down into these demonic boxes all day long is that connection to, you know, having your feet kind of being made of mud but also made of stars, that famous quote I'm butchering.
But we are made of stardust.
We are a part, you know, I'll look out at the stars and be like, what the fuck?
I'm part of this.
unidentified
Yeah.
bridget phetasy
I'm not even high and I can experience that trip.
We aren't separate from, I'm not looking at the stars.
It's like I'm part of that crazy and we're all just, it's such a miracle that we're here in this time and space and it's such a wild trip and we have more than we've ever had in the history of humans and we're wasting it, tearing each other apart.
It actually hurts my soul.
joe rogan
There's a lot of wasted energy for sure.
bridget phetasy
That's why when I see people, you know, when people are like, okay, little miss captain of the fence riding team.
joe rogan
Well, you should ride fences.
bridget phetasy
I'm going to get a t-shirt that says captain of the fence riding team.
joe rogan
I'll wear it.
bridget phetasy
And you are truly the captain.
joe rogan
Listen, I'm not married to any of my thoughts.
bridget phetasy
Yeah.
I think it's good to question everything, including yourself.
joe rogan
Yeah.
There's some thoughts, like, hey, don't murder people.
bridget phetasy
Yeah.
joe rogan
Don't steal.
Don't rape.
Don't, you know.
bridget phetasy
Don't, like, pillage.
joe rogan
Don't torture puppies.
unidentified
Yeah.
joe rogan
There's a lot of things that, like, real clear.
bridget phetasy
Be nice to old people.
unidentified
Yeah.
joe rogan
Don't drown old people.
unidentified
Exactly.
joe rogan
Like, yeah, there's a lot of, like, real clear ones.
But when it comes to whether it's government or behavior or ideology or any of the things that we hold so rigid, I think it's really dangerous.
It's really dangerous to look at things the way we look at things, to have these non-pliable opinions.
bridget phetasy
Yeah, yeah.
joe rogan
Of importance to these opinions being valid.
unidentified
Yeah.
joe rogan
Connect who you are as a person, like your value as a person, to whether or not the opinions that you hold are true.
bridget phetasy
Yeah, that's crazy.
joe rogan
So you will fight to the death for those opinions.
It's so common.
bridget phetasy
It's so common.
That was like all the Trump supporters who were in my comments.
It was like I attacked them personally.
joe rogan
Yeah.
bridget phetasy
Like I had gone to their house and personally attacked them and their mom.
joe rogan
Yeah.
bridget phetasy
And told them that they were shit.
I'm like, you guys, you can't personally identify with...
Politicians are the biggest pieces of shit ever.
unidentified
They are...
joe rogan
Trump's not a politician.
That's why we like him.
He's out here to drain the swamp.
bridget phetasy
I love it when they're like, we're not listening to Hollywood.
I'm like, your hero is Hollywood.
You know, what are you talking about?
joe rogan
Well, that's hilarious when people call you Hollywood.
Like, what does that mean?
bridget phetasy
No.
joe rogan
Has it been show business?
bridget phetasy
No.
I feel like we deserve better.
joe rogan
Yeah, we definitely do.
bridget phetasy
You know, and this election makes me feel like...
joe rogan
We definitely do.
bridget phetasy
We deserve...
joe rogan
But we don't.
bridget phetasy
But we don't.
joe rogan
We deserve this because this is where we've left it.
We've left it to this.
Like, nobody wants to be fucking president.
There's a few people that you could get behind, like Tulsi Gabbard, that you go, I just, I think that's who she is.
I mean, I don't think there's any bullshit there.
But there's very few of those.
The people that are willing to run for president, this is the kind of people that are willing to do this.
Because most of the people that think about it, they go, ooh, my fucking skeletons.
I have a friend of mine.
bridget phetasy
That's funny.
joe rogan
But that's what it is.
bridget phetasy
I mean, I was just thinking it would be a shit job and I would hate it.
unidentified
That too.
bridget phetasy
And I would hate myself because I think by the time you get there, in order to even maneuver, you have to sell yourself out so many times that you don't even know...
joe rogan
Well, you think about how many people are just waiting to attack anybody who's running for president.
bridget phetasy
Yeah.
joe rogan
And about the way they ramp up their attacks and the machine behind it.
It's not as simple as like, I'm Joe Biden and I think Donald Trump's a fucking loser.
bridget phetasy
Yeah.
joe rogan
And so I'm going to say that.
No, there's like a whole machine.
With literally billions of dollars on the line.
Because if our team gets in there, then we can push our agenda.
We can get certain bills passed.
We can get certain legislation through.
We can make sure that certain regulations...
bridget phetasy
Stack the courts.
joe rogan
Yes!
And it can literally, one way or the other, impact corporations in this spectacular way.
So they have to really, really put a lot of effort into it.
So the idea that...
That we allow that.
That's where things get crazy.
It's almost like if you want to run for president, you almost should have no help.
bridget phetasy
It should be like grassroots.
joe rogan
They take you and they take away your phone and they keep you in a hotel room and they just bring you place to place and no one gets to talk to you.
bridget phetasy
Isn't that AOC, though?
She's pretty grassroots.
She has a whole organization behind her.
unidentified
Well, they have the tribe.
bridget phetasy
The Justice League or whatever.
The squad.
joe rogan
Squad.
I call them the tribe.
bridget phetasy
But they also have the...
What is it?
Is it the Democratic Justice League or something?
Some super friends?
It's a pretty socialist, I think, organization.
joe rogan
Well, she's got a lot of people that also agree with her, that are also in politics, and they also work together.
Yeah.
And then she's compromised some of her own democratic socialists of America.
unidentified
Oh, yeah, yeah.
bridget phetasy
I can't wait until she's a Republican in like 10 years.
joe rogan
You think?
unidentified
Well, you were telling me that you had read some of your shit from when you were 24. I'm going to find it for you.
bridget phetasy
It was a part of the book when I was waiting tables telling everyone to remember my name and drunk all the time.
There was a whole part where I was talking about Bush and I didn't know anything about politics at all, but I was just so...
I was a libtard.
Like, the definition.
By definition of what the right would consider a libtard, that was...
joe rogan
Well, you weren't hardened yet by the world.
bridget phetasy
I mean, I was pretty hardened.
I had had enough shit prior to 23 that...
joe rogan
Yeah, but you were still hopeful that these sort of airy-fairy, idealistic notions of what should be done with our culture, that this would work.
And with no understanding of economics, no understanding of...
bridget phetasy
I think it's good to be that hopeful.
I don't think you should go burn down government buildings and be like, yeah, let's tear it all down.
But I think it's good to have that idealistic hope.
What is that famous quote?
If you're not a Democrat in your 20s, you don't have a heart.
And if you're not a Republican in your 30s, you don't have a brain or something like that.
joe rogan
Or you're not a conservative.
Yeah, it's an old saying.
If you're not a liberal...
As a youth, you have no heart.
If you're not a conservative, as you're older, you have no brain.
bridget phetasy
And I'm not really either because, you know, I'm not socially conservative at all.
joe rogan
Me neither.
bridget phetasy
I mean, that's where they...
It's funny when people were like, oh, she's just a grifter.
She's gotten red-pilled and she's going to be on the right now.
And then the right will start talking about porn or something.
I'm like, oh, thank God.
I'm not one of them.
Or sex or whatever weird shit.
joe rogan
Weird shit, yeah.
Or, you know, whether or not...
You know, these ideas that you have to be one or the other is where it's so stupid.
bridget phetasy
Yeah.
You can hold both things.
That is what we should be doing.
We should be holding both things and evaluating them.
joe rogan
Yeah.
Well, especially, it's really difficult for me when people want to restrict other people's ability to express themselves or do things.
Whether it's...
You know, gay rights or trans rights or civil rights or women's rights or anytime you want to stop people from doing something that literally has nothing to do with you.
bridget phetasy
Yeah.
joe rogan
You know, like the gay rights one, the gay marriage one was always weird to me.
When I was seven years old, we moved to Florida, and I had this Cuban friend, his name was Candy, Candido.
His last name was Candido, and they called him Candy.
unidentified
I love that.
joe rogan
And his dad was so mad.
He had a newspaper, and he's slamming it down on the fucking table.
And we're like, what's the matter?
He's like, they're going to let these fags marry each other.
bridget phetasy
Oh my gosh.
joe rogan
I was...
How old was I? 11?
Yeah, I was 11. Because I'd moved from San Francisco, so I was 11. And I remember thinking, what a fucking idiot.
This guy's a grown man.
See, I lived in San Francisco from 7 to 11. So I was like, I was right down the street from Lombard Street.
unidentified
Yeah, yeah.
joe rogan
So we were around, like my next door neighbors, they would get naked.
They were these gay guys.
They would get naked with my aunt and they would smoke pot and play the bongos.
That was my life when I was seven years old.
I was so used to gay people, which is so normal for me, that being around this guy when I was 11, I was like, this is so weird.
bridget phetasy
Yeah, it's so weird.
joe rogan
Because I moved from San Francisco to Florida.
unidentified
Oh, wow.
joe rogan
Gainesville, Florida, which was so dumb in an apartment complex.
So it was like, people weren't doing so good, and they were so dumb.
unidentified
Yeah.
joe rogan
And it was too hot!
It was too hot to be smart.
There's something I think about Florida.
It's like, God damn, it's so hot down there.
bridget phetasy
You can't be smart.
joe rogan
It's hard.
It's hard, you know?
bridget phetasy
That's gone.
joe rogan
But I was just saying that, like, so I don't understand why people who are conservative, like, why, if you're fiscally conservative, that makes sense.
If you're financially conservative, if you believe in the Second Amendment, you have all these ideas about rights.
Like, we have rights.
But why do you give a fuck if people get married?
Like, what?
You know Caitlyn Jenner, when she transitioned, was against gay marriage?
bridget phetasy
Oh, weird.
joe rogan
She's like, I've always been more of a traditional girl.
bridget phetasy
What?
joe rogan
Is that true?
Oh, yeah.
On the Ellen show.
bridget phetasy
On Ellen?
joe rogan
Ellen confronted her about it.
bridget phetasy
Wow.
joe rogan
And it was like, what?
bridget phetasy
What happened to all...
What?
I don't understand.
joe rogan
What?
Well, she's a Republican.
bridget phetasy
Oh.
Right.
Is she still?
joe rogan
I don't know.
Probably not.
I don't know.
I think so.
Maybe.
But when you're Republican, that's one of those things you're supposed to just subscribe to.
bridget phetasy
It seems like they've accepted that that's not a battle they're winning.
joe rogan
Well, it's evolution of the culture.
At a certain point in time, don't you know any gay people that are cool?
Do you really give a fuck if they get married?
Marriage is dumb.
unidentified
Anybody dumb enough to get married should be allowed to give away half their shit.
bridget phetasy
We were in Arizona and this guy was talking about his daughter and she is gay and divorced and I was like, oh, I'm glad the gays know what divorce is all about now.
They're probably going to regret fighting for that marriage thing.
They're paying for half an alimony.
They're like, ah, shit.
joe rogan
Melissa Etheridge was on the podcast years ago and she's been married and divorced a couple times and she was telling me all these women she's got to pay alimony to.
I go, what's that all about?
She goes, bitches are crazy.
And I was like, only you can say that!
Only a gay woman who's been divorced is paying all these women alimony.
And especially, it's not like she fucked them so hard they can never work again.
Like, no, you used to be in a relationship with a successful person.
You're not anymore.
Time to get a job.
unidentified
No!
joe rogan
They can't!
She licked their pussy so good, they're just confused.
They can't even fill out forms.
They can't work anymore.
bridget phetasy
Whose stand-up is that?
I'm accustomed to this.
I'm accustomed.
I think it's Chris Rock.
unidentified
I think it's Chris Rock.
bridget phetasy
He's like, you get accustomed to things.
joe rogan
I'm accustomed to getting my dick sucked.
bridget phetasy
Yeah.
joe rogan
Yeah, I need pussy payments.
That's what it was, right?
Yeah.
bridget phetasy
I think about that a lot.
joe rogan
Look, I think marriage is great if you love someone so much you're willing to do something stupid.
bridget phetasy
Yeah.
joe rogan
That's my situation.
bridget phetasy
Yeah.
Yeah.
joe rogan
I just think it makes sense when you have family.
It makes sense when you have children.
Because the way I felt like having a child is way more of a commitment than anything financial.
You're making a human being bring them in the world and you're responsible for them for at least 18 years.
bridget phetasy
At least.
unidentified
Now it's like 25. Dude, I know people that are 40 that live with their parents right now.
bridget phetasy
Especially during COVID. It's tough, yeah.
joe rogan
We've all become like European families.
bridget phetasy
Intergenerational.
unidentified
Yeah.
joe rogan
Well, you've got to survive.
The reality is it's not a bad idea to pool all your resources together and try to survive.
bridget phetasy
And help each other.
joe rogan
Right.
Because we really are at a crossroads.
It makes us realize how good we had it for so many years when the economy was booming and people could be independent and out there supporting themselves.
But then when all that shit is literally cut in half, you've got to make do.
You've got to figure it out.
bridget phetasy
Yeah, yeah.
And I think it's better for people to be around other people.
joe rogan
Yes.
bridget phetasy
Because all my friends who have been isolated, you know, people, it's way more open here.
joe rogan
Oh, yeah.
bridget phetasy
But my friends in LA are losing their minds, who have been alone, because it's been going on like six months now.
joe rogan
It is way more open here, isn't it?
bridget phetasy
Yeah, way more open.
joe rogan
That's why I love it!
bridget phetasy
Yeah, it feels normal.
joe rogan
Yeah, it does, right?
bridget phetasy
You wear a mask.
unidentified
Go to a restaurant.
bridget phetasy
Yeah, you go to a restaurant.
It's crazy.
joe rogan
Isn't it amazing?
bridget phetasy
It's nice.
It's nice.
It's been nice to just feel kind of what normal was.
joe rogan
Retail stores are open.
You go to a retail store, put a mask on.
bridget phetasy
And LA definitely, I mean, it's, when I was walking my dog in LA, every single day, I have to avoid a crazy, there was a guy with a machete, there was, and then I walked out, and then I was two days, every walk I go on, there's basically like a crazy homeless, a young woman who's, Out alone and they're having some kind of breakdown and it gets worse and worse every day.
It's like it is deteriorating faster than I could have even imagined and it makes me mad because the government doesn't give a fuck about me.
They don't care about my safety.
I'm supposed to have endless compassion for the homeless, and they don't care that there's a guy with a machete having a moment.
joe rogan
Well, something they don't care.
They can't do anything about it.
bridget phetasy
They can, though.
Their only job is to somewhat keep me safe as a citizen.
Why am I paying taxes if they can't do that?
This is why I'm like, fuck you, California.
You're garbage.
joe rogan
You're paying taxes to keep these politicians fed.
bridget phetasy
Okay, but they need to make sure that I'm not getting attacked while I walk my dog.
joe rogan
But that's the problem with some places as big as LA. There's like a diffusion of responsibility thing that you get to when you get to numbers that are so high.
When you get to like 20 million people.
You know, there's like an expression about how—not an expression, but there's an example about how when people see someone getting attacked, like if there's only one person there and someone's getting attacked, you feel responsible to help.
But if you're in a crowd and someone's attacking someone— Everyone assumes everyone else.
Yeah, everyone assumes someone else is going to jump in.
And nobody does anything.
Yeah, but it's not- And nobody feels responsible.
bridget phetasy
It's been notably worse.
You know, there has to be something.
People are paying tons of money.
I was in Venice.
I was in Brentwood.
These people are paying millions of dollars in taxes.
And they have encampments across the street from their house.
There are kids playing.
joe rogan
Yeah.
bridget phetasy
It's not safe.
Something has to...
It's interesting too, Jamie and I were talking about this, because they, before, just the way...
I don't even know if they know how many actual homeless people are there, because I volunteered once to be part of the homeless count, and that's how they count the homeless, is volunteers who go through LA for like one weekend and count as many homeless people as they can.
joe rogan
And do you write down what streets you're on?
bridget phetasy
Yeah, and you go in little groups.
joe rogan
How many did you find?
bridget phetasy
I was out of town that weekend.
My aunt was like, please don't do that.
But I legitimately was out of town that weekend, so I ended up not being able to do it.
But I was like, oh, cool, this is how they count the homeless.
But that doesn't seem like a very good measure of how many there are homeless people.
There are, I bet it's probably like twice as many as it actually reports.
How are you getting...
joe rogan
Yeah, that's a lot of people.
bridget phetasy
70,000, they say now?
joe rogan
They think New York City has 80,000.
bridget phetasy
Wow.
joe rogan
They're idiots.
bridget phetasy
They should be in LA. It's a way better place to be homeless.
joe rogan
Yeah, LA is, like, tolerable.
bridget phetasy
Well, because now they've...
joe rogan
As long as you get under the underpass, it's hot.
bridget phetasy
Yeah, but during COVID, they've loosened all those restrictions.
So it used to be, like, you couldn't block the sidewalk.
joe rogan
Yeah.
bridget phetasy
And you couldn't with your...
We saw somebody grilling a freaking, like...
It was a huge fire on a grill on the side of the road.
It was, like, a hibachi or some shit.
Like, when...
Just having a grill in the middle and there's women with their strollers trying to walk...
It's madness.
unidentified
Ugh.
bridget phetasy
So bad.
I feel like it's the one problem if I could solve, I would focus on solving it.
joe rogan
You'd focus on homelessness.
bridget phetasy
Because it's such a crossroads of economics, mental illness, addiction.
It's so many things that are abuse.
joe rogan
I was watching a video about this kid.
He was 28. He's been homeless literally on the street since he was nine years old.
He was in a car with his mom.
They were living in a car until they were 11. And then from 11 on, he was on the street.
It was terrible.
He had no teeth.
His front teeth were gone.
He had his face reconstructed.
His arms smashed.
Somebody beat him up with a bat.
He, you know, had been sexually abused.
He didn't have any socks.
He didn't have any shoes.
He didn't have anything.
He had, you know, he talked about the small amount of clothes he had.
And it was kind of weird because he was, you know, really for a person who has been homeless and on the street and his horrible life since he was nine, kind of seemed pretty together.
Like the way he was talking, communicating, at least in this video.
And, you know, you realize...
This is the thing about people.
If you're mad at someone, say if you're a gay person and you're mad that Caitlyn Jenner doesn't believe in gay marriage even though she wanted to transition and wants you to call her a woman now.
Instead of being mad, and I guess you could be mad at the idea, but I think what we really need to start doing is look like, what happened?
What are all the things that took place in your life that you turned into this right now?
What are those things?
This is the concept of determinism, right?
This is the concept that There is no real free will.
Everyone is sort of an accumulation of all the experiences they've had their genetics their life all the different factors that are out of their control along with the decisions that they've made because of these factors and all your emotions and you get genes and drug addiction and all these different things and it brings you to this point.
And I think this is the thing with homeless people that we need to take into consideration as well.
Because when you see someone who's homeless and you're like, oh, this fucking loser.
Oh, they're a drug addict.
Oh, get them away from my house.
What undoing you have to have to take a 40-year-old person who's grilling in front of a house in Venice with heroin tracks all over their arm and make them a reasonable contributor to society, a healthy person who can kind of do anything and I know.
bridget phetasy
I know.
joe rogan
There's so much undoing.
bridget phetasy
I do have endless compassion, but on the other hand, there's a lot of entitlement.
There's a lot of entitlement in the homeless community.
joe rogan
There is, but they don't have anything.
If you don't have anything and you look at people who have things...
Look, this is one of the things you're seeing with a lot of these riots, a lot of the looting and all the craziness.
It's like haves and have-nots.
And the have-nots are like, these motherfuckers, why do they have this?
Especially during COVID, because everybody has nothing, right?
These homeless people don't have anything.
They feel entitled because they don't have anything, and you do.
And there's a weird thing that people have this thought that if you have something and they don't have it, it's because there's an injustice.
And you have contributed to this injustice or you've caused this injustice.
That's where the entitlement comes.
And it's a real problem in the way Americans in particular think about economics.
bridget phetasy
Yeah, it's resentment politics.
It's all resentment.
joe rogan
And you can get a lot of people to agree with you.
bridget phetasy
Oh, yeah.
joe rogan
Because most people also don't have good things.
I was reading this tweet from this girl who was talking about, you know, like, we need to start going into the suburbs and going into these people's houses.
bridget phetasy
Yeah.
joe rogan
And then she wrote, eat the rich.
bridget phetasy
Yeah, that's a big thing right now.
joe rogan
And I was like, what are you talking about?
So you're 24, okay?
What do you think is going to happen when you're 44 and you're one of those people?
bridget phetasy
Yeah, exactly.
joe rogan
You're going to be happy with that?
You're going to be happy when you're tired because you've been working all day, trying to achieve a dream, and you're exhausted, and you see these people outside your house, how the fuck do you have this house?
How are you in that house?
All comfortable as fuck, but we're out here.
I'm sure you've seen some of those people too, right?
bridget phetasy
There was one video from, I think, Kenosha, and this guy, I'm not sure if that's when it was from, but it just stuck with me.
He was yelling at the...
They had smashed his windows, and he was like, I have fucking mouths to feed!
He's like, do you want everybody to vote for Trump?
I have fucking mouths to feed!
What are you doing?
And they'd smashed his...
They don't know what they're doing.
They don't know what they're doing.
And so many of the kids on the streets are truly kids.
joe rogan
17. Yes.
bridget phetasy
Children.
I'm like, where are your parents?
We have a fucking parenting problem.
joe rogan
The kid in the Kenosha that wound up killing those people.
bridget phetasy
Are they on Instagram?
joe rogan
The parents are.
They're like, yeah, honey, go have fun.
This motherfucker, he's not liking my shit.
bridget phetasy
Resentment, resentment, resentment.
joe rogan
We have a lot of problems.
And there's a lot of us.
And we could all do with some house cleaning.
bridget phetasy
And compassion.
I think compassion for each other.
joe rogan
Clean up your own backyard.
Get your life together.
Do your best.
bridget phetasy
Nobody wants to do that shit.
They want to blame everyone.
Nobody wants to clean the shit in their front yard and not do drugs that they're spending all their money on.
They want to go out and be like, the libs are ruining my life!
Or burn down a fucking building.
joe rogan
It's weird how there's certain environments that just tolerate homelessness and craziness, and then those folks find those environments.
Like Venice.
Venice is just a breeding ground for it.
It's crazy.
bridget phetasy
There's just so much, it's such a, it is really just so complex, I don't even know how you begin, but I don't, I do wonder why some, obviously some cities are doing things that, where it isn't festering and exploding, and some cities are, so why don't, what are the cities that have it somewhat under control?
Republican?
joe rogan
That's the problem.
Are they just busting them to LA? Yeah, they're law and order people like Giuliani was when he was the law and order guy in New York City.
bridget phetasy
But where did they all go?
joe rogan
That's a good question.
I don't know.
I don't know what they do with them.
I don't know how they help them.
I don't know what they do.
There was an Upper West Side thing recently where they had a hotel and they had like 300 homeless guys living in this hotel, but then they started like jerking off in front of people and, you know, taking shits on people's cars and stuff.
unidentified
And they...
joe rogan
De Blasio had to move him out and now people are pissed off at him for taking these people out.
It was mostly men, mostly homeless men.
And what's really crazy was this article that was written about it was so distorted.
It was like homeless families are being relocated when their kids are just now going to school.
Like, first of all, yes, literally, this is pulling at the heartstrings.
There's been a bunch of things they're doing lately to pull at the heartstrings, but this was one of the most preposterous articles that I read.
One of them was they're now calling homeless people the unhoused.
bridget phetasy
No, it's persons experiencing houselessness.
We're going to get canceled for calling them homeless.
joe rogan
No, the unhoused.
bridget phetasy
No, it's persons experiencing...
joe rogan
LA Times, last week.
bridget phetasy
Oh, it's upgraded?
joe rogan
Unhoused.
The unhoused.
This was an article about people that were putting rocks under underpasses.
When homeless people had moved out of certain areas, they were going under these underpasses and putting these enormous rocks so that people couldn't put tents in.
And they were saying, do you understand what you're doing to the unhoused?
These are the only places they can go to escape the elements.
The reason why they go under that underpass, it's literally the difference between life and death.
bridget phetasy
That's also somewhat of a myth because there are beds sometimes that go empty because people don't want to give up their drugs and weapons.
So the idea that they don't have anywhere else to go isn't always true.
joe rogan
Well, they're drug addicts, Bridget.
You need to take a little bit more compassion when you're making these statements because these people that are drug addicts, they don't know what to do.
And they need their drugs.
You should let them just do their drugs.
bridget phetasy
Does it feel like we're on the backside of...
joe rogan
The Empire?
bridget phetasy
Yeah.
joe rogan
Yeah, it feels like Rome right before it collapses.
unidentified
Yeah, yeah.
joe rogan
Yeah, I mean, one of the things that Douglas Murray said when I interviewed him, I guess I don't interview anybody, right?
I talk to people.
I guess you remember that.
But when I was...
bridget phetasy
Gotcha!
joe rogan
He was saying that at the end of every empire, there's all these gender issues or hermaphrodites.
unidentified
Oh, really?
Yeah, yeah, yeah.
joe rogan
He went into depth about it.
It's like Rome and Greece.
They always had this thing where they want to break down all the content.
There is no gender.
There's no sex.
There's no biology.
bridget phetasy
It's deconstruction.
joe rogan
Deconstruct everything.
unidentified
Wow.
joe rogan
And they also deconstruct all the norms, all the norms of culture.
And one of the more disconcerting ones is deconstructing pedophilia.
unidentified
Wow.
joe rogan
That has been a constant one lately, where you're seeing...
bridget phetasy
There's a weird pedo vibe everywhere.
joe rogan
Well, you know that thing...
bridget phetasy
Cuties?
joe rogan
Oh, Cuties is crazy.
bridget phetasy
Okay, yeah.
joe rogan
I was talking about the Gavin Newsom thing, where they passed that.
bridget phetasy
Did that pass?
joe rogan
He has to pass.
unidentified
He passed.
joe rogan
He signed it.
And they said it was a great victory for LGBTQ people.
bridget phetasy
What?
joe rogan
Because before, this is the idea.
I might be butchering it, but I'm going to do my best.
Before, if you had...
Vaginal sex with a girl and impregnated her and say like maybe you were 20 and she was 14. They didn't put you in a sex register list because they wanted you to be responsible for taking care of the baby that you created.
So this was the idea.
But if you had anal or oral sex with her, then they would put you on the sex offender list.
bridget phetasy
Weird.
joe rogan
Yeah.
Well, it's because you're just being a pervert.
You're just mouthfucking some 14-year-old as opposed to making a baby that you would then be responsible for.
bridget phetasy
That's a weird line.
joe rogan
So, okay, but this is why they wanted to pass this law, and this is why it would, for LBGTQ folks, whatever, gay people, whatever, is they wanted, they said, well, the vagina's not available to gay folks.
bridget phetasy
Okay.
joe rogan
Because these guys don't have a vagina.
So, if you're saying that a 20-year-old can have sex with a 14-year-old girl and not be put on a sex registry, how come a 20-year-old man can have sex with a 14-year-old boy and he is all of a sudden a sex crime?
He's committed a sex crime.
unidentified
Okay.
joe rogan
And they're like, this is not fair.
So, the idea is that it's in the judgment, the judge gets to decide.
bridget phetasy
Oh, okay.
joe rogan
So, I guess you're giving the judge the ability to decide one way or another.
So you give them the ability to discern whether or not this was someone who's in an actual relationship with a person who can commit, which is very weird.
bridget phetasy
Right.
joe rogan
A certain person who can consent.
But the problem with people, they gave a 10-year gap.
So, you know, like a...
You could say 14 and 24. Or you could say 10 and 20. I don't know what it means or where it's defined.
bridget phetasy
Yeah, that's weird.
joe rogan
It's crazy, but they're only doing it because it already existed in that form for straight people.
Right, okay.
See, we're looking at it like saying, oh, now you're making it legal for 24-year-olds to fuck 14-year-olds.
Right, but it's already kind of like that with straight people if they have vaginal sex.
bridget phetasy
Right.
Wow, that's wild.
joe rogan
It's wild.
bridget phetasy
I didn't even know that that was not, you know, I don't know.
I thought it was like statutory.
joe rogan
I think even, but I think if you impregnate, I think this is the idea.
If the person's impregnated, the judge has the ability to not put them on the sex offender list so that that person can get a job.
bridget phetasy
Right.
joe rogan
So you can support your child.
bridget phetasy
Right, right.
joe rogan
Especially in impoverished areas, right?
bridget phetasy
Right.
Yeah, the whole...
It seems like it's everywhere, the cuties thing.
joe rogan
That's more complicated than cuties.
Cuties is...
Here's something crazy.
There was a story in Atlanta where these guys had rescued 39 kids from sex slavery.
I didn't hear a fucking word of that.
bridget phetasy
No, nobody heard about this.
joe rogan
I saw a hundred articles about Ellen being mean.
bridget phetasy
Yeah, yeah.
joe rogan
A hundred.
bridget phetasy
Yeah, yeah.
joe rogan
And I didn't see more than one, one day, in and out of the news about these 39 kids that were rescued.
bridget phetasy
Yeah, that's another one that is really, I was in a rest stop, it was like a truck stop on the way here, and they had the signs, you know, it's like, are you being human trafficked?
And they're in rest stops across America.
And it's like, are you working against your will?
Are you being forced to do sex?
I was like, shouldn't this be in like three other languages?
joe rogan
Well, there was a story recently about a flight attendant.
And there was a man on a flight with a young girl.
And the young girl wrote a letter and left it in the bathroom.
And the flight attendant got the letter and recognized...
That something was going.
She was making eye contact with the kid.
She knew something was wrong.
And then upon landing, they had police waiting.
unidentified
Oh, wow.
Yeah.
bridget phetasy
Yeah, so it's, I mean, that's another one where...
joe rogan
It's real.
bridget phetasy
Yeah, it's a real problem.
joe rogan
Yeah.
bridget phetasy
Human trafficking and sex trafficking is crazy.
Terrifying.
joe rogan
Yeah.
bridget phetasy
And crazy and hideous and odious and all of the worst things in the world.
joe rogan
But then you have cuties, which is like, what are you doing?
What are they doing?
bridget phetasy
I know I've seen the argument.
joe rogan
Explain to people who don't know what the fuck Cuties is.
bridget phetasy
So Cuties is that it's a movie on Netflix.
It's a foreign film.
I believe the director is French.
Is she French?
jamie vernon
Yes, I was looking at the Atlanta thing.
bridget phetasy
Oh, that's alright.
I just don't know that I'm correct about that.
And it's supposed to be a movie about the hyper-sexualization and exploitation of young girls.
joe rogan
Critics of Cutie say the Netflix film hyper-sexualizes a pre-teen dance troupe, but director said Monday that she is fighting the same fight, in quotes, they are, to stop the exploitation of young girls.
So the way she stops it is by sexualizing them.
bridget phetasy
Well, I guess that...
joe rogan
Try saying her name.
Say that name.
bridget phetasy
Maimona Ducouré.
jamie vernon
Quick question.
bridget phetasy
Yes.
jamie vernon
Do you remember the movie Kids?
bridget phetasy
Yeah.
I do.
joe rogan
Yeah.
jamie vernon
That was a pretty fucked up movie.
bridget phetasy
Yeah, that movie's fucked up.
joe rogan
That was about kids being wild and it was an actual movie about real kids.
bridget phetasy
Yeah, but he's fucked up.
That director is fucked up.
joe rogan
Yeah, that director is really fucked up.
jamie vernon
There's another movie called 13, about two 13-year-old girls a couple years ago.
And they were taking ecstasy and doing all sorts of wild shit.
joe rogan
But the thing about kids is kids was a documentary.
bridget phetasy
No, it wasn't.
jamie vernon
Those are all actors.
bridget phetasy
Those are all actors.
joe rogan
Wait, am I thinking of the same movie?
unidentified
Yeah.
joe rogan
But wasn't there one that was a documentary?
bridget phetasy
It was filmed a little bit like a documentary, but it wasn't.
joe rogan
Oh, that's right.
jamie vernon
It starts with sex right out of the opening scene.
unidentified
What year is that?
jamie vernon
I got rented it from the library when I was in seventh grade, sixth grade.
bridget phetasy
Yeah, I was young too.
joe rogan
Okay, I fucked up.
I thought that was a documentary.
bridget phetasy
That guy, yeah.
But it got a lot of shit when it came out, didn't it?
I feel like it was...
joe rogan
I think I never saw it, and I think it was out pre-internet.
bridget phetasy
Oh, definitely pre-internet.
jamie vernon
Probably 94, 95, something like that.
bridget phetasy
Yeah, it was fucked up.
joe rogan
The director has done a lot of other sketchy shit, right?
What other movies has he done?
jamie vernon
Gummo was the other big one.
joe rogan
Oh, that was a weird one.
jamie vernon
95, yeah.
joe rogan
Made 20 million bucks.
Hollow.
bridget phetasy
Yeah, but I wonder what the...
I remember, I feel like that was pretty controversial.
joe rogan
Do you remember the movie, was it called Happy?
bridget phetasy
Mm-mm.
joe rogan
Is that it?
There was a really fucking weird movie about this kid who finds out that their dad is a pedophile.
bridget phetasy
Oh, God, that would be horrible.
joe rogan
Yeah, and the guy is...
I think it's happiness.
And the guy is kind of normalized in the movie.
And it's like the kid is trying to...
bridget phetasy
My friends and I got into this on Twitter about the cuties thing and you know, I don't know that those girls are old enough to decide to do that film.
They're not.
Some of the warnings on it and stuff, I don't even want to watch it.
I probably should, but I don't really want to.
Whatever, it just seems...
I don't think it's necessarily Netflix's problem.
It seems more like a societal problem that we have.
joe rogan
Wait a minute.
It's Netflix's problem to have it on their network.
bridget phetasy
They have it on their network, but it's like this writer Jane Koston said.
It's like the thing adjacent.
She was like, has anyone been to a dance recital?
Because I was talking about like...
Have you ever been to dance recitals?
We had to do some fucked up shit when we were young kids.
Dress up in the black and do the addicted to love and leotards and red lipstick.
And I was little doing these dances.
JonBenet?
That's a whole fucking weird world.
joe rogan
Joey Diaz and I were in Dallas once, and we were staying at this hotel.
We were doing the Addison Improv.
We were staying at this hotel where they had one of those things going on in the hotel.
So there was a child beauty pageant in the hotel.
bridget phetasy
Yeah, they're weird.
joe rogan
It was fucking bizarre.
unidentified
They're weird.
joe rogan
It's one thing to see it on TV, but to see five-year-olds in pumps with full makeup and blown-out hair.
jamie vernon
Remember this from Bad Grandpa with the giant Knoxville movie a couple years ago?
He had picked up his grandson, and it was fake, but they were also pranking people, so it's not really fake.
They dressed up like a little girl, and they went and did this whole thing, and she starts doing that crazy dance and freaking everybody out.
It's actually a little boy, if I remember correctly.
joe rogan
That's right.
bridget phetasy
This stuff is in our culture already, and I think that's more...
Cuties aside and whatever.
joe rogan
But that kind of shit with little kids and those baby beauty pageants, whoever greenlit that?
Who's like, yeah, it looks good.
Short skirt, stick your ass out.
Nice.
High heels.
bridget phetasy
Way to go.
Yeah, it's weird.
joe rogan
Who said yes to that?
bridget phetasy
So that's my, I guess my point is not necessarily, my feelings about cutie are just from what I've seen.
I'm like, no.
But I also think that this is in our culture and we need to examine that.
That this like the beauty pageants and the you know and it's funny because I'll be like oh QAnon is crazy and not everything is about pedophilia and then you see a cuties you know preview and you're like oh maybe there are tunnels under what what is it my friend said she's like my brother said there are tunnels there are tunnels under the Getty or some shit for human trafficking I don't think that's true,
joe rogan
but there was a fuck island that was real.
And the fact that prominent politicians, well, he went 26 times, not a lot of times.
bridget phetasy
Wow, you do a really great impression.
joe rogan
There's another fuck island?
jamie vernon
North Fox Island.
joe rogan
Oh, I was never there.
jamie vernon
Michigan in the 70s.
joe rogan
Oh, really?
bridget phetasy
Mm-hmm.
jamie vernon
Well, there was a way darker story.
bridget phetasy
Oh, God.
joe rogan
Way darker?
jamie vernon
Oh, yeah.
bridget phetasy
How can it get darker than Epstein?
I had to, like...
jamie vernon
It was all videotaped, and that's what...
I mean, that's what I was looking for.
bridget phetasy
Have you seen the documentary?
joe rogan
Well, when Epstein killed himself, case closed.
I mean, as far as I'm concerned.
bridget phetasy
Wow, you really do a great Phil Clinton impression.
I was watching the documentary.
He's a good guy.
joe rogan
He had a nice plane.
bridget phetasy
You know the fucked up realization I had watching that documentary is that I would have been one of Epstein's girls.
joe rogan
Oh, right?
bridget phetasy
I was a fucked up 17 year old doing drugs.
joe rogan
What does it say, Jamie?
Jeffrey Epstein was accused of sex trafficking young girls on his mysterious private island over 40 years ago.
A different millionaire escaped justice in a stunningly similar case.
I had a conversation with Eric Weinstein about this, and he had a very, I think, accurate perception of it.
He said, I believe there are people who help curate experiences for high-profile people who can't get these on their own.
Because it's too dangerous.
And then someone comes along and normalizes it and lets you know, it's okay, I gotcha, and everything's fine, and this is how we do it.
And that this person, in Epstein's case, turns out to be intelligence.
And that was the...
That was the accusation.
Who was the prosecutor that had to release him?
Acosta.
What's his name?
jamie vernon
Acosta.
joe rogan
Acosta.
He was told it was above his pay grade and that this man was intelligence.
And so he had to let him go because he was a part of the intelligence community.
So someone told him to let this guy go.
bridget phetasy
What?
joe rogan
Yeah, and so when he got arrested the first time, he got a ridiculous sentence where he had to go back to his house.
He only had to be in jail during the day.
bridget phetasy
Oh, yeah, yeah.
joe rogan
Or he had to be in jail at night and then had to be at his house during the day because he was working.
jamie vernon
Remember this thing, too?
This came out two years ago?
joe rogan
That's right.
Sasha Baron Cohen says he turned over disturbing Who Is America?
footage of the FBI. Cohen says his show nearly helped the FBI expose a pedophile ring in Las Vegas.
jamie vernon
They're doing what you're talking about.
joe rogan
Yeah.
jamie vernon
Providing experience.
joe rogan
Someone was saying, look, we can help you.
We can get you these things.
bridget phetasy
Oh, God.
joe rogan
And this is what's terrifying.
What's terrifying is that if there can be an island that is literally curated and run by an intelligence agent who's bringing in prominent Celebrities and politicians and even scientists from all over the world to this place where they're having sex with underage girls and we all know about it.
And then the guy gets killed and then, oh, he just hung himself.
Oh, he hung himself?
unidentified
Yeah.
joe rogan
And then you get a Michael Baden, who's a famous autopsy doctor, says, no, these injuries are inconsistent with hanging and they're very consistent with someone being strangled in the position that he's choked on.
It's not where someone has ligature marks if they're Yeah, all the things that point to the fact that he was murdered.
And months later, like...
bridget phetasy
Anyway.
joe rogan
Whatever.
Hey.
bridget phetasy
24-hour news cycle.
joe rogan
Donald Trump's a bad person.
We need to get rid of him.
bridget phetasy
Keeps moving.
joe rogan
And meanwhile, Ghislaine, she doesn't even go to trial until October?
bridget phetasy
Yeah.
jamie vernon
Is she even arrested?
Where is she at?
bridget phetasy
Yeah, where is she?
joe rogan
Oh, where is that lady?
jamie vernon
Is this the story that went away?
bridget phetasy
No, it's so weird how it just all gets like...
joe rogan
She was in a house in New Hampshire waiting.
bridget phetasy
Magically disappears.
joe rogan
By herself, chopping wood.
Just waiting.
Like, what are you doing?
Like, they arrested her in a house in New Hampshire.
She bought a house, like, in the woods.
She thought she could just be out there.
Didn't even change her hairstyle.
unidentified
Oh, wow.
joe rogan
How about when she was on...
They took pictures of her at In-N-Out, reading a book about CIA agents who have been killed.
bridget phetasy
Oh, my God.
joe rogan
Remember that?
You ever seen that?
unidentified
No.
joe rogan
She had a photo shoot.
bridget phetasy
Oh, my God.
joe rogan
At In-N-Out in L.A. Yeah, there was a photo shoot where she was still on the loose after Jeffrey Epstein was killed, where she was like sending messages to people.
So here she is, like clearly posing, and the book, powerful In-N-Out commercial, by the way, made people hungry.
Yeah, it was posed so you could see the book, and the book was about CIA agents who've been killed.
jamie vernon
You can see the book spine on one of these pictures.
joe rogan
There's many pictures.
jamie vernon
They did a lot of sleuthing to figure out there's terrible photoshopping done on the photo.
joe rogan
Is there?
jamie vernon
Yeah, that's like that.
So this photo was taken at a time that like there's this Good Boys movie was a Seth Rogen movie that came out.
If she was there, that would have been like this week.
And they looked in that company and said they never actually had that poster there.
But that looks like it was actually there.
So there's a lot of confusion around why this even happened.
joe rogan
Wow.
Is that in the lower right hand corner?
Is that showing what the book is where the arrows are pointing?
jamie vernon
That's where she sat.
Someone went to that in and out.
joe rogan
Oh, that's where she sat.
Where's the book?
jamie vernon
I'm trying to find it.
bridget phetasy
It's so messed up.
It's so crazy.
I had to stop watching the documentary because it's as dark as it gets.
joe rogan
How about when they ask Trump about it?
He's like, I wish her well.
I wish her good luck.
Is it very unfortunate?
Are you saying you wish the lady who's accused of sex trafficking, underage girls, you wish her luck?
bridget phetasy
You wish her well?
All these guys are...
All of them...
That, like, level of being is so gross.
I feel like everyone in that fucking circle is disgusting.
joe rogan
Well, and I think back then you could be disgusting and there wasn't any consequences for it.
You know, when you think of...
What it must have been like to be a politician like in the Kennedy days.
bridget phetasy
Right.
Just open lane.
You can just do whatever you want.
No cars on the road.
joe rogan
Nobody does anything.
Nobody tells you to stop.
bridget phetasy
Nope.
joe rogan
You can do whatever you wanted.
bridget phetasy
Getting your dick sucked in the pool.
joe rogan
Yeah, you could do that while people were watching.
bridget phetasy
Yeah.
joe rogan
Like, no one cared.
bridget phetasy
Yeah.
Now it's...
joe rogan
Crazy.
Like, the press would not talk about his affairs that they all knew.
bridget phetasy
Yeah.
joe rogan
It was like a...
How amazing.
bridget phetasy
Yeah.
joe rogan
What a strange shifting of attitudes.
unidentified
Yeah.
joe rogan
And how did that ever exist in the first place?
If you're the press, and literally your whole job is to tell stories, and you've got this crazy story that you keep it under wraps...
bridget phetasy
I see it all the time, though.
I see it all the time.
joe rogan
But the Kennedy thing wasn't even a good cover.
Remember when Marilyn Monroe sang at his birthday party?
bridget phetasy
Yeah, but every time someone gets Me Too'd, Everyone's like, eh, we knew about it.
And I don't know if it's just industries protect their own.
Everyone in the industry is like, eh, I kind of knew that was coming.
You'll hear these stories of...
I just feel like it might be like politicians, they protect each other.
I feel like in every industry, whenever somebody gets outed, there's some sense of like, eh.
Maybe.
joe rogan
Well, when the Kennedy thing was happening, what's really fascinating is if you apply that same logic and thought to his assassination, no wonder why there's so many conspiracy theories.
bridget phetasy
Yeah.
joe rogan
Because if the intelligence community really decided to whack him and you don't think they could have got away with it, he's fucking people left and right.
bridget phetasy
Documented.
joe rogan
And he got away with that.
bridget phetasy
Documented.
joe rogan
Yeah.
Yeah, documented.
bridget phetasy
That's the problem I have with it.
joe rogan
Not just him.
A lot of people back then.
bridget phetasy
Yeah.
joe rogan
MLK. There was a whole thing written about him the other day.
unidentified
Yeah.
joe rogan
But this idea that they could have never gotten away with his murder because people would have talked.
Like, no, people didn't talk about anything back then.
bridget phetasy
No, they didn't.
joe rogan
Of course they could have got away with his murder.
And especially if you think they're going to kill you.
And then if you go and look at how many people who are witnesses who did wind up dying in really suspicious ways, it's fucking bonkers.
bridget phetasy
Yeah, yeah, yeah.
joe rogan
People that were there for the Kennedy assassination that wound up dying.
It's nuts.
unidentified
Yeah.
joe rogan
It's nuts how many of them, like, committed suicide, parked their car in front of a train, like, all that kind of shit.
bridget phetasy
Yeah, yeah.
joe rogan
Yeah.
bridget phetasy
I think that there's...
joe rogan
The whole world was dark back then.
bridget phetasy
It was dark.
I think it's always been dark.
unidentified
Yeah.
joe rogan
But, I mean, I think, like, this whole sex trafficking thing, this seedy underbelly of the world thing, I think back then it was way worse.
Probably.
And I think there was no way of exposing it.
bridget phetasy
Well, yeah, they all just got whacked, I think.
joe rogan
Yeah, and I think it was like a normal, it was probably, like when you think of things like Skull and Bones and all these weird little clubs and these secret societies.
unidentified
Yeah, yeah.
joe rogan
Remember when Kennedy, did you ever hear that Kennedy speech about secret societies?
bridget phetasy
No.
Never heard it?
joe rogan
Oh my god, he talked about how secret societies are repugnant.
This is before he was murdered.
You know, Kennedy was, like, vehemently against the CIA and the NSA and all this, and he made this public speech about secret societies.
What does it say?
The President and the Press Addressed for the American Newspaper.
You can play that.
bridget phetasy
Weird accent.
joe rogan
See if you can play it because it's really powerful to hear his voice and to know that this guy...
unidentified
And then he got killed?
joe rogan
Yes.
Well, listen, there's a lot of reasons to think that he was probably killed by the intelligence community.
Oh, that's us.
unidentified
We talked about it.
We talked about it.
bridget phetasy
It's already up.
You can go watch episode 1400 with Tony Hinchcliffe.
joe rogan
Yeah.
I had...
bridget phetasy
The Golden Pony.
joe rogan
It's a bizarre...
Here, listen to that, though.
It's very bizarre.
It's a very bizarre statement because...
bridget phetasy
Why?
joe rogan
Would you make it?
unidentified
Today...
Well...
john f kennedy
Ladies and gentlemen, the very word secrecy is repugnant in a free and open society.
And we are, as a people, inherently and historically...
Opposed to secret societies, to secret oaths, and to secret proceedings.
We decided long ago that the dangers of excessive and unwarranted concealment of pertinent facts far outweighed the dangers which are cited to justify it.
Even today, there is little value in opposing the threat of a closed society by imitating its arbitrary restrictions.
Even today, there is little value in ensuring the survival of our nation if our traditions do not survive with it.
And there is very grave danger that an announced need for increased security will be seized upon by those anxious to expand its meaning to the very limits of official censorship and concealment.
joe rogan
He's trying to warn us about exactly what's happening.
Patriot Act 2. He's trying to warn us.
Edward Snowden hiding in Russia.
bridget phetasy
Trying to warn us.
joe rogan
He really was.
bridget phetasy
Yeah.
joe rogan
He really was.
bridget phetasy
We didn't listen.
They killed him instead.
joe rogan
They whacked that dude.
We did listen.
We listened.
We know now to shut our fucking mouths.
bridget phetasy
Yeah.
We're both going to be dead in 24 hours.
joe rogan
Well, then you get away with more shit back then, just like everybody else.
bridget phetasy
Yeah.
I mean, it's a weird time because some of this stuff, you know, I have very conflicting feelings about some of this stuff.
I think it's good that a lot of light's being shined on it.
I also hate that people don't get due process.
We live in a very strange time for this where, great, more stuff is being revealed, although we seem to forget the stuff that's actually proven, like Epstein, in five minutes.
And then there's stuff that's not, you know, people are being destroyed and have no access to due process or anything, and there's no way to defend themselves.
joe rogan
Well, the stunning thing about the Epstein thing is that the mainstream media has let it go.
bridget phetasy
Yeah, completely.
You would think that, and they barely even really covered it.
It wasn't even something that I... They had to.
joe rogan
It's almost like they covered it like there was a cursory mention.
unidentified
Yeah.
joe rogan
Like they had to.
They had to mention it, otherwise they'd be complicit, right?
bridget phetasy
Yeah.
Yeah, it's a weird...
That seems like it should be a way bigger deal and be much more covered and investigated.
And thank God for those amazing reporters down in Florida who did all that investigative journalism.
The woman, I can't remember her name, but she...
She's really responsible for staying on that beat.
I think this is why I feel...
Even in LA during the riots, the local journalism was amazing.
They were doing great work.
They were on the ground.
They were interviewing people in real time.
Part of the reason I see so...
I hate all the division and all of the...
It's like that death of local journalism, which has contributed to so much of just...
Nobody really knows anything.
joe rogan
Well, I've been real forgiving of people writing clickbaity articles.
bridget phetasy
Yeah.
joe rogan
And one of the reasons why I tell people, like, journalists are fighting for their life right now.
unidentified
Yeah, yeah.
joe rogan
Like, they're very important to me.
It's very important to me that there's people that are willing to get the word out.
unidentified
Yeah.
joe rogan
And willing to explain what's happening.
And some of them are forced to write some bullshit articles with clickbaity titles because they have to stay alive because no one is buying newspapers.
bridget phetasy
No, and it's not...
Generally, it's usually a calling.
I think my true journalists, they're usually called to do it.
They can't let go of a story.
They want to find my biggest, again, this is another weird issue, place where we're in is, I call it journalism, and it's activism masking as journalism.
And that is where I feel like the press is, this is where they're losing their credibility because they're not being honest.
unidentified
Right.
joe rogan
There's no one—well, there are some, but there's very few who are unbiased, who are just telling you the facts.
unidentified
Well, they are.
bridget phetasy
They're mostly working in local journalism at rags that are being canceled, bought out, bought up by bigger things.
And so you have the people who are kind of activists, and they're journalists, they're practicing journalism, and that's damaging— To all journalists because now you're undermining what your job is to do, which is present facts and present evidence and chase down leads and not have your own opinion about things.
Discover something as more evidence is presented to you and always be checking yourself.
joe rogan
Well, my hope is that through this, independent sources will emerge.
Like you're seeing that with some independent political sources.
Like you're seeing whether it's the Jimmy Dore show or Kyle Kalinske or Rising on the Hill.
All these people that are not beholden to any one party that are talking about politics.
I'm hoping we're going to see that with everything.
bridget phetasy
Yeah.
joe rogan
And that these people with these biased perceptions and, you know, journalism, as you call it, which is a great word, that they're going to, because of their own faults, open the door for independent people that are not connected with these things.
That do have a calling, but that recognize that there's a real – you're hindered if you're connected to some machine.
Yeah.
bridget phetasy
I think this is why people are so confused right now and lost.
And I hear this from these letters I'm getting, letters from the politically homeless.
What happens a lot is they'll get red-pilled by the mainstream media.
I think Malice talks a lot about this and just recognizing the idea of the cathedral.
Michael Malice?
Yeah, he's great.
Brilliant.
And just the idea of the cathedral that isn't his idea, and I can't remember who he always attributes it to.
And realizing there's a narrative and there's an agenda that's being pushed.
And once they open their eyes and see that, there's not much of a stop on the way to, and now why isn't Biden fighting against Petalwood?
You know, there's like a...
You're just like, suddenly you're like mainlining.
You've gone from taking a red pill to like snorting them and mainlining it.
And now you're queuing on.
Because I'll hear these people who start out very reasonable, like, oh, the left got crazy.
I got a little disillusioned.
I started going down the rabbit hole and then...
There's really not much, because people don't know what to believe.
All of the confusion, oh, you can protest, you can't protest, you can wear masks, you can't wear masks.
There's no credibility.
Every system, and this is generally in societies when you see this kind of breakdown of society, is when people lose faith in the people who are governing them, the experts.
You have epidemiologists who are like, Racism is the real virus.
That's not the way viruses work.
When you're saying these things as a scientist, how are you expecting people to take you seriously when they've stopped their fucking lives for you?
joe rogan
Did you see what the UN's quote was about the pandemic?
That it revealed that the patriarchy is a gigantic problem?
bridget phetasy
The patriarchy.
joe rogan
They were blaming it on the patriarchy.
bridget phetasy
And you have all of these institutions that are falling in line with us.
So people are stumbling in the wilderness, and then they're online.
joe rogan
And then they're virtue signaling, and then they're in these echo chambers, and then they're going to war with anybody who disagrees, and then they're demanding compliance.
bridget phetasy
But it's easy for people.
The thing that concerns me is if you are a person, you know, I have to check in with myself when I'm like, if I feel like I'm saying, fuck you, I'm voting for Trump.
Like, that is being radicalized.
You know, that is the process of radicalization happening.
I understand it.
It's something that I can...
joe rogan
It's a lot of people doing it.
bridget phetasy
But it's completely emotional.
If you're like, this guy is...
joe rogan
For some people, it's not.
Some people think that what's more dangerous than anything is woke politics.
bridget phetasy
Yeah, yeah.
joe rogan
That's Tim Pool.
Tim Pool is like, the media's lying to us.
They're gaslighting us.
And I think that this whole woke bullshit is more dangerous than anything.
bridget phetasy
And he's gone like full MAGA. But see, that is something that I would check in with myself about.
Because if you were here, and now you're here, I understand.
And I think this is why we live in one of the most interesting times in American history ever, because there's so much migration, literal migration.
You sitting here is a perfect example of that.
And political migration, ideological migration.
My inbox is evidence of this.
People from the center going left to right.
People from the right coming left.
People from the left coming right.
It's fascinating.
I mean, it's going to be studied for hundreds of years if we have a future.
joe rogan
You're totally right.
You're totally right.
bridget phetasy
It's just a fascinating time in our history and I think that people, we have to give each other space to realign a little bit, but what is worrisome to me is in the absence of anyone to trust, So many journalists have abdicated their role.
Many politicians are all just shit, basically.
Sending a populist message to the people.
I don't understand the worship at all.
In the absence of all of this, where do people turn?
They're turning to people like you, for instance, because you're willing to have conversations with many different kinds of people across the spectrum so they can maybe...
In order to read the news now, I'll see a headline.
If it confirms my bias, I'm like, I better double-check that.
Yeah, that's good.
I immediately am like, okay, double check that shit.
joe rogan
But that's because you're smart.
bridget phetasy
But this is how everyone should consume the news, but I understand why they don't, because it's like, okay, and then I read a quote.
Well, that was...
Now I have to go listen to the whole...
Okay, that was completely taken out of context.
Now they're citing a study.
Now I have to go read the fucking study.
I end up with all the...
Go to all the source material.
You have to just go to the source material, always.
But that takes...
It'll take me an hour to read one article and figure out what's actually true in that article.
No one has that time.
It's easier to be like, I hate this!
joe rogan
Exactly.
unidentified
Mad!
joe rogan
Yeah.
That's what most people do.
They find something that confirms their bias and then they read only those things that exist in their little echo chamber.
bridget phetasy
But you should be seeking things that push against your bias.
joe rogan
I was having a conversation with a person, a person, a friend of mine, a person.
bridget phetasy
A person experiencing homelessness?
joe rogan
A friend of mine who happens to be a person.
bridget phetasy
Houselessness?
joe rogan
No, the unhoused.
bridget phetasy
The unhoused.
Sounds like a horror movie.
joe rogan
She was asking me about UFOs and I said, my main problem with UFOs is that I want to believe.
unidentified
Yeah.
joe rogan
My main problem with all this evidence, like it seems real, it seems real, it seems real, but the problem is I want to believe.
bridget phetasy
Right.
joe rogan
And whenever I want something to be real, I go, ooh.
bridget phetasy
Let's probably double check that.
Yeah, you have to.
joe rogan
You mindfuck yourself.
Yeah, yeah.
bridget phetasy
That's the right way to, that's how you can avoid making an ass out of yourself online and sharing something that's not real.
unidentified
Yep.
bridget phetasy
Pretty much video, I will not share it.
I see so much video getting shared by people who are independent journalists that is cut weird, it's edited weird, it's not true.
Everybody on the internet, I always make fun of this on Dumpster Fire.
I hate this new season of Law& Order where there's a murder every day in real time and then the internet is like a sleuth figuring it out.
They're breaking it down frame by frame.
See, this is...
Like, thanks, guys.
Like, the police on the ground and detectives probably have this handled.
Thank you for your...
joe rogan
Well, sometimes, though, they do find people.
Like, that guy, before he did the interview with Vice and exposed that he's the one who killed the MAGA supporter, they found him.
They found him because of a tattoo on his neck, and they had identified him.
People just randos that were looking at photos.
bridget phetasy
Sleuthin' online?
joe rogan
Sleuthin'.
They actually found them.
bridget phetasy
No, but I believe that there's some use in that, but it just seems like there's also probably more misinformation that gets spread that way than actual facts.
And it's that old quote, like, the lie spreads faster than the truth around the world before the truth gets out of bed or whatever.
A lie will go around the world before the truth gets out of bed.
joe rogan
That's true.
bridget phetasy
And in this kind of environment, and then everybody is...
joe rogan
And then you've got Russian troll farms and Chinese troll farms.
bridget phetasy
Yeah, then you have Russian logging in at 9am.
joe rogan
Oh my god, it's madness.
bridget phetasy
I love it.
joe rogan
And I don't know where it ends.
There's no map of the territory at this point.
bridget phetasy
But it starts with us.
That's what I'm saying.
It starts with the individual.
It starts with people recognizing that they're biased, learning to consume news in a more intelligent way that's reasonable, checking, fact-checking things.
joe rogan
And it starts even before that with improving yourself, getting control over who you are.
Like, think of what you've done, overcoming hypochondria, kicking drugs and alcohol, all All the craziness that you've gotten through.
That's what's led you to be this critical thinker that you are today.
And this strong person.
The problem is we're asking people to be strong when they're not.
We're asking people who are right now who they are is not capable of doing these things we're asking them to do.
bridget phetasy
Why though?
joe rogan
Because of all the experiences they've had in their life.
bridget phetasy
That's no excuse.
joe rogan
No, no, no.
It is not an excuse, but it is a fact.
Like, who they are, they're so accustomed to behaving and thinking in a certain way that it takes a radical shift to rethink this.
And they can do that.
They can act in that way and rethink the way they live their life, but they have to be severely motivated.
unidentified
Right.
joe rogan
To change is so hard.
bridget phetasy
Well, and then there's so much, you know, so say you are, say you radically shift your ideology online.
And I've experienced this just not in shifting my ideology, just not censoring.
Then you get swept up with all the likes from It's reinforced with dopamine of like, oh, if I say this thing, this thing does well.
And that's, again, asking a lot for people to work against.
You have to actively be like, okay, now what am I not saying?
Again, because I'm worried I might piss off my new audience who's embraced me.
I would ask anybody who's gone from the left to To fully to the right.
Like, what are you not saying now about things that you're noticing on your new team that you've joined?
joe rogan
This is a weird thing when people do completely, as a grown adult, shift their ideology.
I'm always like, oh, did ya?
Oh, did ya?
Or were you always wishy-washy?
Were you always full of shit?
And to be rigid one way or the other is just so strange.
bridget phetasy
Yeah.
joe rogan
It's so strange.
bridget phetasy
Yeah, I guess I can attribute my shift to paying attention and being thrown into the culture war and I don't even feel like my actual values have changed so much as the culture has changed around me.
Most of what I believe about free speech, rights, the right to have jobs and work how you want to, which I push back against all the time in California, what they're doing there.
joe rogan
You know how they fight that gig society?
bridget phetasy
I told you about it the last time I was here.
joe rogan
They had a fight with it about stand-up comics.
They were trying to include stand-up comics in it.
The comedy store actually was at the head of that.
Yeah, they actually fought and won and got comics reclassified.
But there was an issue where certain people were not going to get booked because these arenas, these venues, rather, were going to have to employ them.
And they're like, we can't afford to give you health insurance if you do a...
Fucking stupid one-woman show here.
bridget phetasy
They're trying to pass a national version of this called the PRO Act.
joe rogan
Who's trying to do this?
bridget phetasy
The Democrats.
They already passed the House.
joe rogan
That's so crazy.
bridget phetasy
And it essentially would categorize independent contracting and it would give it the same label that it has in California under AB5. And that's people like you who write articles for a bunch of different publications.
joe rogan
You'd have to be an employee of each of those publications.
bridget phetasy
Or join a union.
That's what they want.
It's like you're either gonna have to join a union, you're either gonna have to work for the government or join a union or go get employed, but people work gigs.
Most people are adults.
They can understand the cost-benefit analysis that they're making.
They can say, I might not have great health insurance, but I have the freedom to work as an Uber driver when I want to.
I can log in when I want to.
I can clock out.
I can take an hour break.
I can do whatever the fuck I want on my time.
And I understood when I was waitressing that I could have gone and worked in a corporation.
I could have probably gone and got a job anywhere and had good benefits.
And I would have had to clock in at a certain time and clock out and probably play the game and not say things that I want to say.
And I understood that I would have to take a riskier path and I took responsibility for that.
Now, I think that some of these companies do need to be held accountable in terms of how they treat their workers.
joe rogan
How much they pay their workers.
bridget phetasy
How much they pay their workers.
And it is true.
I'm not here to defend Uber because they do...
I mean, even just talk to any Uber drivers.
They've lowered their rates and it's harder for them to make money and it's all...
So they're not exactly...
Perfect.
But you can't take agency away from people who are choosing to work as a gig person and not maybe join a union or go work at a job.
And this is something that people should be calling Biden out on because he's come out many times in support of this.
joe rogan
Do you know how gross it would be if comedians had a union?
bridget phetasy
Disgusting!
joe rogan
Could you imagine what fuckwits would be in control of that union and how many shitty comics would go to the head of that union?
Because they don't have any power or agency in their comedy career?
bridget phetasy
Yeah, it would be like a huge HR department.
joe rogan
The worst comics with the shittiest ideas of what constitutes comedy.
unidentified
Yeah.
joe rogan
And they would probably start censoring people.
bridget phetasy
Yeah.
All of it is we should be able to work where we want and how we want.
joe rogan
Especially someone like you who writes articles for a bunch of different...
Like, all of a sudden, you would have to be in a union and pay dues?
bridget phetasy
Well, people...
So, one of the women that I'm friends with had to leave L.A. because in many single...
And it always hurts the people they say they're trying to help.
She was a single mom and she had...
You couldn't write more than, like, 30 articles a month.
Most people who are freelance are writing...
30 articles a week if they can.
They're cranking these things out.
And if you are a company, for instance, you now have to employ that person.
And so companies based in D.C., if you're writing for a political, whatever it might be, they were saying, we can't work with you because we would have to fall under the laws of AB5 and either hire you or that's it, and we're not going to hire you.
joe rogan
This is a perfect example.
fiscally conservative and socially liberal.
bridget phetasy
Right.
joe rogan
And you don't have to agree with, you don't have to like uniformly agree with everything that's on your side.
And this is one of those.
Yeah.
This is a conservative viewpoint that I completely agree with.
Give people freedom.
Yeah.
Especially with what we do, whether it's a comic or a writer or you do both.
But that kind of shit is crazy.
The idea that you would have to be...
Forcing people to join unions is insane.
bridget phetasy
I encourage people to read the PRO Act bill and to try and figure it out.
Again, go to the source material.
Don't just listen to me.
Go research this stuff.
There's some stuff that I think most people are like, okay, that's a little reasonable.
But the problem with these bills is that they try and cram in as much crap as they possibly can.
It's very pro-union.
And I, again, don't have anything against unions, but they shouldn't have all of the power.
You shouldn't be forced to join a union in order to work as a comedian or a freelance writer or anything.
It hurt so many people.
It hurt sign language, people who do translations.
It hurt people who work as independent drivers, personal assistants.
It was an endless...
There's a whole website devoted to stories from people from hundreds of different...
joe rogan
Why did they pass it?
bridget phetasy
Because the woman who did is an insane person.
I mean, I think it's part of the reason that Elon's probably going to bounce out of there, too, because I don't know that he uses...
I'm not sure, but I'm not sure that he uses union people in his factories.
I could be wrong about that, but I know that part of her...
Beef was with Elon and Uber and these big corporations, but when you look at who's funding her, which I love doing is following the money of all these people, it's like all the labor unions.
So she's in the pockets of these people, and she...
She will post something and then people will be in her mentions like, please don't do this.
You're hurting us.
You're hurting us.
You're hurting your constituents.
Her name's Lorena Gonzalez.
You're hurting...
And she'll just take the ability for anybody to reply to her.
I'm like, what kind of fucking representative are you that you are saying I'm helping people?
Your people are like, you're hurting us.
And she's like, mutes all replies.
Like...
You actually don't care about your people.
You're just posturing and saying that you do.
And in fact, you're just in the pocket of unions and pushing a bill that most everyone in the state...
I mean, Uber and Lyft are going to leave California.
Not like take their headquarters like no Uber or Lyft in California.
Because they couldn't comply with...
The whole freaking business model of Uber is...
Independent contractors.
And Lyft.
That's the business.
That is the business model.
That was the whole plan.
That's the whole thing.
The deal.
And you're trying to say, no, you need to employ these people.
joe rogan
What is California going to look like in 10 years?
Is it going to be Mad Max?
bridget phetasy
It feels like Mad Max already a little.
joe rogan
It does a little, especially now that it's on fire.
bridget phetasy
Yeah, it's heartbreaking what's happening to some of the cities.
I believe that there will be a resurgence.
I think whenever the cities empty out, artists move in and weirdos, and they're like, woohoo, opportunity.
So I believe in the creative, especially in New York.
People are like, New York is dead.
I'm like, it's not dead.
joe rogan
Well, I hope they're right.
bridget phetasy
I hope so, too, but people still live there in the 70s, even though it's violent.
joe rogan
I think LA has more problems than New York does.
LA is just one earthquake away from being a dead man's land.
bridget phetasy
Yeah, no, I don't want to be there for that.
joe rogan
Because if the earthquake hits, you think there's a mass exodus now?
bridget phetasy
Yeah.
unidentified
Yeah.
joe rogan
The mass exodus now is about freedom.
bridget phetasy
Yeah.
joe rogan
That's most of it.
It's about freedom and then the worry about taxes because they're talking about raising taxes.
bridget phetasy
I think that fell.
That didn't pass.
I could be wrong, but I'm pretty sure that even that was too crazy for California.
joe rogan
Or is that the wealth tax?
bridget phetasy
They were thinking about the wealth tax and then, oh, I don't know.
joe rogan
The wealth tax is something they were going to- That died.
Yeah.
That was the most ridiculous proposal of all time.
jamie vernon
Biden's talking about that today, though.
unidentified
What?
joe rogan
The same tax?
The California tax?
jamie vernon
It said like if you make over $400,000 a year, or excuse me, like under, nothing will change.
Tax the wealth, or tax the wealth yourself.
bridget phetasy
Over $400,000?
joe rogan
Well, the thing about the California one, Peter Schiff talked about it.
It was so crazy that 10 years ago, if you had left 10 years ago, you'd owe money.
And then if you leave now, from 10 years on, they could get money from you.
bridget phetasy
Yeah, that's big.
joe rogan
So if you leave today, you owe money for 10 more years.
bridget phetasy
It's so ridiculous.
How do you even enforce that?
joe rogan
You're just criminals.
bridget phetasy
You're just stealing.
joe rogan
You're stealing.
bridget phetasy
Yeah, it's shameless stealing.
joe rogan
And, you know, the idea...
Tim Kennedy was on the...
Here it is.
If you make under $400,000 a year, this is Joe Biden.
You will not...
By the way, he didn't write this.
You will not pay a penny more in taxes when I'm president.
The super wealthy and big corporations will finally pay their fair share and will invest the money in working families.
We're going to reward work, not wealth.
No, you're not.
bridget phetasy
No, here's the thing that drives me crazy.
I believe it's California that has the most wealth inequality in America.
They have done nothing to help the middle class.
They've eaten the middle class completely.
All my friends who are in my age or a little younger in their 30s, they all had to leave and go buy a house and they left years ago because they're like, it's too expensive for us to try and get ahead and have kids.
And These mom and pops that are getting destroyed.
They don't give a shit about the middle class or the working class.
You're seeing tons of homeless people are unhoused and tons of people who are absolutely loaded.
You know how much money it would take for me to buy a house in LA for a down payment in my neighborhood?
1,300 square feet.
$250,000!
Like, a quarter of a million.
You're looking at me like, that's not that much money.
It's a lot of money!
You're like, what's the problem, Bridget?
unidentified
It's a lot of money.
bridget phetasy
It's a lot of fucking money.
unidentified
It's a lot of money.
bridget phetasy
Yeah.
joe rogan
I get it.
I'm detached, but I'm not detached.
I still understand it.
bridget phetasy
There's no pathway upward for the middle class in places like New York or LA. Don't you think when places get really big, though, it's almost they're unmanageable when they get really big.
joe rogan
And they're always, when they're really big, they're always run by Democrats.
unidentified
Yeah.
joe rogan
The really big cities are always Democrat-run, for whatever strange reason.
bridget phetasy
I mean, Detroit's a good example of what happened.
That was a thriving city.
joe rogan
Yeah, but that was different because that was when they shifted the auto industry.
Detroit was one of the richest cities in the world.
bridget phetasy
Yeah.
joe rogan
They fucked that up.
bridget phetasy
Globalization.
Yeah.
joe rogan
I mean, that was one of Michael Moore's best movies.
It was about Flint.
bridget phetasy
Oh, yeah.
joe rogan
I never saw it.
Flint, Michigan.
What was it called?
What was his first movie?
The big movie that put him on the map?
Michael Moore.
bridget phetasy
Was it the climate change one?
joe rogan
Roger and me.
Roger and me.
Yeah.
It was all about the guy who was the head of GM. Is that what it was?
Where he was trying to contact him to figure out why you're moving jobs out of the city and do you understand what you're doing to this place.
And that was when he was a real populist.
bridget phetasy
Yeah.
joe rogan
And it's funny how he became a villain when he had this movie criticizing the industry of climate change.
The industry behind client change, everybody's like, you piece of shit!
I thought I was one of you guys!
Everyone's canceled!
bridget phetasy
I know, everyone's canceled.
It's when we were driving around and our tour guide, our little Sharpa, who was showing us around, he was like...
Showing us all these amazing little old Austin places that are closed because of COVID and will probably never open.
And they've been there since like 1938 and all that.
And, you know, we were saying like if I was a philanthropic billionaire, I would buy all these little mom and pops and help keep them alive because they're the lifeblood of these cities.
And they're also just that that's what kills me is like I hate seeing this.
This coffee shop that's been there since forever closed and there's a Starbucks next door and they're fine.
It just kills that.
That is where I want...
joe rogan
Well, Austin is all about these little small independent places, independent restaurants, independent businesses.
That's one of the things that I really love about it.
That's one of the things that attracted me to this place in the first place.
I'm hoping that new ones will rise and take their place.
That's the hope, is the ethic of this community.
bridget phetasy
We need a more robust middle class.
That's what we need to cultivate.
In California, if you want to try and fix California, that's where you start.
How do you help people who are living in the $100,000 to $600,000 a year range or even less, $60,000?
What is their pathway up?
joe rogan
Especially now.
bridget phetasy
Yeah, how do you help them?
Because that's what holds the center.
joe rogan
Bridget, why don't you run for president?
You'd be able to nail it.
bridget phetasy
Maybe we should both run.
unidentified
No.
Yeah.
joe rogan
No.
unidentified
But I'll support you.
bridget phetasy
I'll be your veep.
joe rogan
No, no, no.
I'll support you.
bridget phetasy
I don't want to be president.
I can be your veep.
unidentified
Come on.
You can do it.
Come on.
joe rogan
You can be first woman president.
Kamala Harris would be the first woman president if Joe Biden wins.
bridget phetasy
With her Timbers?
unidentified
Yeah.
joe rogan
Because he ain't going to make it.
Yeah.
With the Timberlands.
All right.
We did three hours.
unidentified
We saved.
bridget phetasy
Oh, really?
More than three hours.
joe rogan
Yeah.
It's already four o'clock.
It's past four.
unidentified
Sorry.
joe rogan
It was awesome.
I enjoyed it.
bridget phetasy
That was a fun one.
You going to move here?
I'm definitely considering it.
I don't like to be a follower.
joe rogan
You're not a follower.
I'm a follower.
bridget phetasy
It feels so lame.
unidentified
No.
Why?
joe rogan
Because I got here first?
bridget phetasy
No, no.
Just because I'm generally...
Everybody's leaving and I'm generally...
And I want out.
joe rogan
Don't be stupid.
bridget phetasy
I just don't know where I want to go.
joe rogan
But it's better here.
bridget phetasy
Maybe I'll go to Idaho.
unidentified
That's right.
bridget phetasy
Idaho's good.
joe rogan
But they'll get mad if you talk about it.
unidentified
I know.
joe rogan
Shout out to Boise.
Alright, Dumpster Fire, it's available.
bridget phetasy
On YouTube, Watkins Welcome is my podcast.
It's a different vibe than Dumpster Fire.
A little more nuanced.
joe rogan
And your Instagram, you don't use.
bridget phetasy
And Twitter, at BridgetPetasy.
joe rogan
We use Twitter a lot.
bridget phetasy
I love Twitter.
joe rogan
Twitter loves you.
Thank you, Bridget.
I love you too.
unidentified
I love you.
bridget phetasy
Thank you for having me.
joe rogan
Thanks for being here.
I enjoy it, as always.
unidentified
Bye, everybody.
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