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Aug. 21, 2020 - The Joe Rogan Experience
03:09:14
Joe Rogan Experience #1529 - Whitney Cummings & Annie Lederman
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annie lederman
01:00:09
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joe rogan
01:15:22
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whitney cummings
48:11
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jamie vernon
00:04
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matthew yglesias
00:05
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joe rogan
First of all, how do you two not have a show together?
annie lederman
I don't know.
joe rogan
Hanging with you guys the other night at the store, first of all, how much fun was that?
whitney cummings
The best.
unidentified
It was so much fun.
annie lederman
It was so fun.
I can't remember because it's been so long.
It's been like six months now.
Was that what every night was like?
joe rogan
A lot of nights were like that.
annie lederman
We just had the craziest circus freak night.
Just fun.
Just laughing constantly.
joe rogan
We used to go to the back bar and crack each other up.
That was the constant thing.
unidentified
For hours.
joe rogan
It was either in the back bar or the back smoking area and everybody was laughing.
annie lederman
Yep.
joe rogan
And you get like a low-grade depression when you're not around it.
whitney cummings
Yeah, it's so true.
joe rogan
You forget for months and months and months.
And then we had one night where we were all like, ah!
unidentified
It's so true.
joe rogan
Just shooting up and saying ridiculous shit.
annie lederman
I do feel like I had like a crush on the night.
Like I kept thinking about it like we'd fucked for the first time.
I was like, I fucked that night.
And I was like, is he thinking about me too?
And I was like texting with you guys.
whitney cummings
We spent three days replaying the night.
Remember when you said this?
That was so funny.
joe rogan
I got so emotional when I pulled up and then I walked into the store, I almost cried.
I was like, I can't believe I'm here.
If I had been away for five months and I came back, I'd be like, I can't believe I'm here, that'd be great.
But I was like, ooh, is here gonna ever be here again?
Is it ever gonna be what it used to be?
There's no reason why it shouldn't be if we could do it the other night.
The way we did it the other night, everybody gets tested, you go and hang out, and it's fun, and we have a great time.
annie lederman
That was STD tests, but we do all have COVID, unfortunately.
whitney cummings
My chlamydia killed my COVID, so I'm good.
Well, COVID goes away.
annie lederman
We think.
Fingers crossed.
joe rogan
Yeah, we don't know, right?
What if it's an annual thing?
It keeps coming back.
I have a friend who got malaria, and then he got malaria again when he got sick.
So it had been dormant inside of his system.
My friend Justin Wren, he runs Fight for the Forgotten.
He does charities in the Congo.
He builds wells for the pygmies.
And he's there all...
He got malaria three fucking times.
unidentified
Jesus.
joe rogan
And so he goes over there, he gets malaria, like deathly ill, comes back, and then he beats it, does all the medication, and then a long time later, he gets really sick, and when he gets sick, the malaria kicks back in again.
And he wasn't even in the Congo.
annie lederman
The malaria's like, not to be forgotten.
He's like, this is a charity for me.
joe rogan
Malaria has killed more people than anything.
whitney cummings
That's right.
joe rogan
Like anything ever.
whitney cummings
More than wars, I think.
annie lederman
My dad had malaria.
He was born in Panama because his dad was stationed there, and he got malaria when he was a baby, but it never came up again.
He never had any problems with it.
joe rogan
Jamie, didn't we look this up?
Didn't they say that, no, I fucked this up, that malaria has killed half the people who have ever died ever?
unidentified
Yeah.
joe rogan
Whoa!
That's wild.
jamie vernon
When we looked it up, it's been exaggerated a little bit, but it's definitely killed a lot of people.
joe rogan
Let's say a quarter.
If we say a quarter, it's probably pretty...
unidentified
Something like that.
joe rogan
Imagine that.
Just let's say 25% of all the people that have ever died, ever, have been killed by malaria.
Mosquitoes, right?
I just put this on my Twitter or my Instagram that they released or they're about to release some fucking untold hundreds of millions of genetically modified mosquitoes in the Everglades.
unidentified
I saw that!
joe rogan
In the Everglades or in the Florida Keys?
whitney cummings
Florida, I think.
joe rogan
Who the fuck knows?
whitney cummings
And what is it supposed to do?
joe rogan
I don't know.
You get some fucking nerds.
annie lederman
Did you read it?
whitney cummings
Delivering the vaccine.
joe rogan
I got scared.
I pulled away from it.
And then I got a text from a friend of mine who's a biologist and he was like, what the fuck are they doing?
If you're scared, now I'm really scared!
annie lederman
I saw you post that, and I was like, maybe I should read the article, and then I was like, reading's really challenging.
Maybe I'll just go and ask Rogan what happened.
whitney cummings
I'm still catching up on murder hornets.
I still don't know what happened with the pee tape.
Every day is some crazy adrenalizing story.
joe rogan
Do you think the pee tape is real, and is it going to come out right before the election?
If it does come out right before the election...
unidentified
Nobody's going to care!
joe rogan
But does it work now because of the mail-in thing?
People are already voting.
Right?
whitney cummings
Right.
Right.
I think we are sort of at a point where nothing fucking matters.
We're in this sort of nihilistic thing where it's like if a pee tape came out right now of Trump peeing on someone, we'd just be like...
annie lederman
They don't care.
Nobody cares.
People that like Trump aren't like, I like him because of how he treats women.
I like how he doesn't pee on women.
I love how women leave the room with him dry from urine.
whitney cummings
As long as he didn't apologize, he'd be fine.
annie lederman
Yeah, exactly.
whitney cummings
As soon as you apologize, you're fucked.
annie lederman
You can't cancel Trump.
whitney cummings
It's like in a car accident, the first person to apologize, it's their fault, so you gotta just get out in the car accident and just be like, what the fuck, man?
unidentified
What the fuck was up?
joe rogan
But it is a gross thing when someone hits you and then they say that was your fault.
You're like, oh, this is the grossest.
annie lederman
Oh, never apologize.
You told me that your dad told you that, right?
whitney cummings
Never apologize.
unidentified
Yep.
annie lederman
Which you told me after I got in a car accident.
The one advice my dad gave me that was the best advice was, when you're in a car accident, never say sorry because you'll get blamed for it.
joe rogan
But what if you actually did it?
Then you should say sorry.
If you hit somebody with your car.
annie lederman
No, you look at them and you go like, I'm going to sue the shit out of you.
You missing a leg?
I'm not paying for that.
joe rogan
Don't you think you should say sorry if you re-end someone?
annie lederman
Of course.
whitney cummings
I did that.
I was thinking about you because you posted that irresistible, that book the other day.
Dude, I re-ended someone texting like a year ago and I got out and I was like, I know I need to have a consequence for this behavior because I was texting and driving.
annie lederman
Well, you have to get the consequence, Caitlyn Jenner.
You have to become a man.
You have to transition after you do it.
whitney cummings
Can you give me your doctor, Annie?
joe rogan
Well, there's no consequences.
That's how you avoid the consequences, right?
Because nobody even talks about the Caitlyn Jenner thing.
whitney cummings
Yeah.
It's crazy, right?
annie lederman
Is it Kurt that has the joke where he's like, he harvested the vagina of the woman he killed?
unidentified
Jesus Christ.
joe rogan
Oh my God.
whitney cummings
That is what I miss so much.
Honestly.
annie lederman
And that's Kurt Metzger.
unidentified
He hasn't been cancelled in a couple years.
whitney cummings
He needs to be re-canceled.
joe rogan
That's such a Kurt joke.
unidentified
He's gonna wake up and be like, fuck you guys, you just cancelled me.
joe rogan
It's a travesty that that guy's not more well known.
And every time I do podcasts with him too.
He's funny on podcasts.
He's smart as fuck.
He's really well read.
He's great.
annie lederman
Yeah, his ideas are very unique, funny, smart.
whitney cummings
Something that was so important at the Comedy Store the other night is that these last six months have sort of hoodwinked me into believing that jokes are dead, that we're not allowed to make jokes anymore.
Because Twitter, we're hallucinating with all the shit we're seeing on Twitter and blowing it up to be bigger than it should be.
But as soon as I saw Tony Hinchcliffe, I threw up.
I said the most offensive shit possible and everyone exploded and laughed and I was like, ah!
We'll fuck it back!
joe rogan
Oh, he's the best for that.
That little motherfucker will say the most evil shit.
annie lederman
No, the moment something happens, there's no too soon for, I mean, Tony's like...
joe rogan
No, no, no, no, not Tony!
whitney cummings
But I don't think we're designed to just be on the internet.
If you're just on the internet and not seeing human beings and making jokes around actual people, you can be tricked into thinking that that shit's real.
joe rogan
Well, Stanhope really said it best once.
He said, I could quit comedy, but I couldn't quit comics.
And that's what the other night was like.
I've had my little fix where I did a weekend in Houston a month or so ago, but it wasn't as fun as that night.
That night was the most fun because it was just a bunch of comics just laughing at each other.
annie lederman
Screaming, laughing, talking over each other.
It was just like...
joe rogan
But it's the art form of saying shit you don't really mean and everyone knows it.
We all know, like if you say something really gross to me, I know you don't mean it and I'm laughing hard.
It's like it's understood and it's also understood that you're taking a big fucking chance with our friendship by saying this crazy shit around me.
Because you trust me.
whitney cummings
It's like the ultimate trust fall or something.
Like I'm going to say some crazy shit to you, you're not going to abandon me or judge me and you're going to be, it's like a trauma bond.
annie lederman
Trauma Bond.
unidentified
That's my favorite!
annie lederman
That's the name of your next special.
Bond.
Trauma Bond.
I'm gonna name it.
joe rogan
That totally should be a special.
Trauma Bond.
That's a great name for a special.
annie lederman
I've said some things to you where you've looked at me like, and I'm like, Are we not friends anymore?
There's two things I said to you that I'll never forget.
I just say things when they come to my head.
joe rogan
If I react that way, it's because I have to react that way.
annie lederman
Once I was like, do you think you have CTE and you could possibly at one point murder your family?
Do you think I could?
And I was like, oh, I don't know.
Can I have a fanny pack?
joe rogan
But, you know, part of the fun is mock anger.
annie lederman
Like, what?
joe rogan
What the fuck did you just say to me?
whitney cummings
It's like emotional sparring or something, you know?
And it's really fucked up because, like, just what's been going on the last couple of years, you know, it's like I never feel more equal.
Like, when people want to talk about men and women, I never feel more equal than when a male comic is fucking pummeling me.
Not physically, because they know I can fucking take it.
joe rogan
And you pummel right back.
unidentified
That's exactly right.
joe rogan
That's what's fun about it.
They're not doing it to be a bully.
They're doing it because you want to spar.
whitney cummings
And you can handle it.
joe rogan
And you're like, okay, bitch.
whitney cummings
Let's go.
joe rogan
And then everyone's at it.
annie lederman
Nobody wants you to go like, ow, and then like sulk and walk away.
That will ruin everything.
joe rogan
That ruins everything.
whitney cummings
Thank you for not thinking I'm fragile.
But it is funny when you just go like a little too far.
joe rogan
Well, that's the risk!
annie lederman
Well, the pink hair thing I wrote about you, I was like, is she going to get mad at me about that?
She tweeted, we were FaceTiming last night, and she tweeted, or Instagrammed a picture of it, and she goes, Annie Letterman, you're a mess.
And I wrote, okay, pink hair.
joe rogan
That's nothing.
annie lederman
I don't know, I was just like, is she going to get offended?
I don't know.
whitney cummings
Some people have weird Achilles heels, you know?
Some people have weird, I mean, I'm doing the roasts all the time.
It's amazing how you can accuse people of rape and say, like, crazy shit, racist shit, but then as soon as you say, like, your dog's ugly, like, They want to fucking storm off.
annie lederman
And that's you, obviously.
joe rogan
Gross Battle was really good for comedy.
Really good for comedy.
whitney cummings
That's where Annie and I met the first time.
annie lederman
Oh, should we talk about it?
whitney cummings
Our meet-cute story?
We didn't start off on great terms.
annie lederman
It was okay, though.
It wasn't that bad.
You texted me so fast afterwards that I was like, it's so weird Whitney Cummings just texted me.
whitney cummings
You are intimidating.
I am going to say that.
There's something very intimidating about you.
It's because you're showing your midriff at all times.
annie lederman
It doesn't matter.
All different shapes of muffins.
It doesn't matter what genre of...
whitney cummings
I'm afraid I'm going to get tetanus from your hoops.
joe rogan
Well, you're confident.
That's one thing.
annie lederman
It's Asperger's, honestly.
joe rogan
There's a fear that you could be mean.
So that's what people are scared of.
That you're confident, but you might be mean.
It's like, ooh, I've got to tread lightly.
annie lederman
I always think the funniest thing is the truth.
whitney cummings
You also dress.
You wear military garb.
You dress like a Navy SEAL. I do look anti-Semitic.
annie lederman
I'm going to be honest with these boots.
joe rogan
What about those boots?
annie lederman
You know, I just was like, should I wear sneakers or boots?
whitney cummings
Annie's dad didn't love her.
annie lederman
No, my dad loved me a lot.
whitney cummings
Too much.
annie lederman
Very mean.
No, not that much.
whitney cummings
Way too much.
annie lederman
No, I was a teacher.
Whatever.
whitney cummings
Now you're just bragging.
annie lederman
I don't want to brag, but...
No, but so I did...
It was when Jason Reitman was filming the roast battle for Sundance.
And it was me against Mike Lawrence, who's an old friend of mine.
We did mics together and stuff.
And...
You and Dane Cook were the judge.
And I remember coming out and being so excited that Dane was there because I had a joke written.
But I went, Dane, I'm such a big fan.
I'm so glad you're here.
But I'm confused.
If you're here, who's at the improv getting bumped by Chris D'Elia?
And he just went away.
I didn't expect he was going to go.
He went...
He went like, that was funny, and then he liked me afterwards, and I was scared because I was like, is he going to tell me how my jokes suck now?
But he was cool.
whitney cummings
But then he said something else where he said to someone, you know, you're really good, you're going to be very successful, and I was like, yeah, but just don't take financial advice from Dan Cook.
He was like, don't hire his business manager.
joe rogan
His story that he told in your mom's house of how his brother stole his money is terrifying.
whitney cummings
Crazy.
joe rogan
Oh my god.
unidentified
It's crazy.
annie lederman
Well, you said to me, I was saying, I was like, when I'm rich, I'm going to get a chef.
And you were like, keep your circle small, Annie.
You don't want a fucking chef.
joe rogan
You don't even want an assistant.
annie lederman
Yeah.
joe rogan
When you have an assistant, that means you do too much shit.
whitney cummings
That's a good point.
And by the time you tell someone to do something, you could have just done it yourself.
joe rogan
Look, you can get lucky.
I have friends that have had assistants that wind up being their best friends, and it's great.
They're just a cool person that they met that needed a job.
But I also have friends that got sued by their assistant, and David Spade got tasered and tied up.
unidentified
Almost murdered.
joe rogan
Almost murdered by his assistant.
His assistant was trying to kill him.
whitney cummings
David Spade has on his bedroom door a fucking latch, like a medieval wooden latch.
annie lederman
And the fucked up part is it's from the outside.
So when you go in, you can't leave.
whitney cummings
Imagine being a girl going in to hook up and he's like...
unidentified
It's like, damn.
joe rogan
That's so crazy.
And he's a small man.
He's a tiny little guy.
So the fear of that must have been terrifying.
whitney cummings
Yeah, and I think the assistant, he told a story.
He had overdosed on Tylenol PM or something.
And if you take enough of that, your body goes into shock and you produce crazy adrenaline and has the opposite of a soporific effect or something.
unidentified
Really?
whitney cummings
So the guy was like hopped up and nuts.
And I think David had a gun under his bed and the guy took the gun out.
I mean, it's wild.
Be careful who you give the keys to your house to.
annie lederman
Oh, I was going to say, be careful if you try to rob David Spade.
He's got a gun under his bed.
joe rogan
Or if you do, just come in slow and sneak under the bed first.
whitney cummings
It is a water gun for his comedy bits.
But also, any assistant that wants to be a celebrity assistant wants what you have.
joe rogan
Maybe.
Or maybe they just think it's a good job.
Generalizations are our business.
They're fun.
You can have a nice assistant.
You can have a nice secretary.
You can have good people you work with.
There's a lot of people that are comedy teams, and it works out great.
Look at Matt Stone and Trey Parker.
Those fucking guys have been banging it out and making awesome shit forever.
unidentified
It can work.
annie lederman
They've been banging.
They're not out.
They're not out.
whitney cummings
But so how do we meet it?
joe rogan
No, no, no.
But, you know, it's like, there's generalizations.
We always like to talk about comedy marriages.
They don't work out.
But sometimes they work out.
whitney cummings
Yeah, Rich Voss and Bonnie McFarlane.
unidentified
Mm-hmm.
joe rogan
Rich Voss, Bonnie McFarlane.
annie lederman
Oh, my God.
whitney cummings
Tom and Christina.
joe rogan
Natasha and Mosha.
whitney cummings
Yeah.
joe rogan
They work.
Yeah, Tom and Christina.
There's a bunch of them.
annie lederman
I'm excited to see these kids and what happens to these kids.
unidentified
Yeah, they'll be funny.
joe rogan
They'll be funny kids.
annie lederman
Yeah, they're going to be hilarious.
joe rogan
They have to be.
annie lederman
Well, Rich and Bonnie's daughter just turned, I think she turned 13, Raina.
She is the fucking funny.
Sometimes she does their show with them.
unidentified
Right.
annie lederman
I've known her since she was a kid.
You think I'm scary.
I'm like, your daughter's like a cunt in the good way.
She's so funny.
She's so cutting.
But I see her and I'm like, you've got to be on your toes because she's the funniest, sharpest.
She's funnier than both of them.
joe rogan
Can you imagine growing up in that house?
annie lederman
Oh my god.
whitney cummings
Rich Ross has one of my favorite jokes that we're probably not allowed to tell anymore.
This joke is just fucking killing me.
He'd go, I don't mind fucking a girl on her period.
I just pretend like I'm killing her.
annie lederman
Jesus Christ!
joe rogan
That's a perfect example.
The reason why we're laughing is because he doesn't really mean that.
That's the problem with writing something like that down in quotes.
You would go, these guys, these fucking assholes are laughing at this.
Only because it's It's not real.
annie lederman
But also the same people that are complaining about it are the people that watch true crime shit and are literally masturbating and falling asleep to a beautiful tale of murder.
whitney cummings
Yeah, see, they watch CSI, they watch SVU, all these things.
joe rogan
Isn't it weird how many of those shows there are?
whitney cummings
Tons.
People love it.
joe rogan
And the ones, the really dumb ones, like the CSI ones that are so clunky, like at the end, no disrespect, but you know what I'm saying.
They kind of have to be.
They're wrapping up a show in an hour.
But at the end of it, it's always like, and they catch the bad guy.
Every time, you're like, whew.
Now I can sleep.
whitney cummings
Isn't that what was in that book, Irresistible, that you were just posting about?
Our brains are wired to need completion.
We have to get to the end of something.
Even if you're watching a shitty movie, if someone turns it off, you're like, I have to fucking know how it ends.
annie lederman
It sucks.
We're not edging with this movie.
joe rogan
No Country for Old Men was disappointing for a lot of people.
Because the end, you're like, hey, that guy is okay?
He gets away?
What the fuck?
whitney cummings
That's a wild movie.
joe rogan
That's a wild movie.
whitney cummings
I rewatched a lot of classic movies over the last six months because we haven't been able to do anything.
And I rewatched that shit.
That shit is insane.
The haircut is the craziest part of that movie.
joe rogan
His haircut's amazing.
annie lederman
Yeah, he is disturbing looking.
joe rogan
That dude is so good.
unidentified
Wait, is that what I look like right now?
Wait a second.
annie lederman
Wait a second.
He has your eye bags with me.
whitney cummings
That's me in 10 years when I go full Joan Rivers.
joe rogan
What is his name again?
whitney cummings
Javier Bardem.
joe rogan
When I go full Joan Rivers.
annie lederman
I like how you're Javier.
joe rogan
I remember one time I was at the Brea Improv, high as fuck, like way too high, and I was sitting there just breathing heavy, and Joan Rivers' show came on the television, and when you see someone with those fillers in their face and the ratio's all off, and their face isn't moving, I was horrified.
I was sitting there just barbecued.
unidentified
Watching the screen going, oh my god, this is crazy.
annie lederman
Well, I have a theory about plastic surgery.
If you're going to trim some off the nose, you have to put it on your chin or something.
You have a certain amount of face meat, and it has to stay on your face.
joe rogan
No, you're right.
There's actually a golden ratio.
The Fibonacci sequence actually applies to your face.
That's why when someone gets a nose job and you're like, your nose looks good, but it doesn't look like it's your nose.
whitney cummings
Yeah.
joe rogan
What's happening here?
whitney cummings
Nature knows what it's doing.
There's a certain arrangement.
It's like whack-a-mole.
If you mess one thing up, you're going to have to move everything else.
But I was reading something about body dysmorphia, about how we've gotten so dysmorphic about what we look like, because we're always looking at ourselves on screens and in photos, which is the reverse of how other people see us.
And they say that if you were to see yourself out in the world, you wouldn't be able to recognize yourself.
That's how dysmorphic we are.
joe rogan
That's ridiculous, because there's videos of you.
It's so stupid.
unidentified
Whoever said that's an idiot.
annie lederman
Also, I have a twin brother.
joe rogan
I would go, I'm right there.
What the fuck are you talking about?
whitney cummings
That's me.
unidentified
I'm famous.
joe rogan
I know what my tattoos look like.
That's what my head looks like.
whitney cummings
But we're just so dysmorphic about what we- We have Google alerts on ourselves, okay?
joe rogan
People say ridiculous shit sometimes, and it kind of sort of makes sense, but it doesn't.
I remember reading once that the Native Americans, when they first saw Columbus and the people in the boats coming, They couldn't see them?
They couldn't see them because they didn't know what that was.
I'm like, get the fuck out of here.
whitney cummings
They figured it out, yeah.
joe rogan
They could look at, how do you, like, then explain UFOs.
whitney cummings
Right.
joe rogan
How do people see UFOs?
unidentified
Explain asteroids.
annie lederman
I knew this would happen.
joe rogan
If you've seen an asteroid.
annie lederman
I knew we were coming to aliens.
unidentified
Yes.
annie lederman
I had a feeling.
whitney cummings
It didn't take as long as I thought it would, actually.
annie lederman
We had a bet.
Whitney, you owe me $10,000.
unidentified
Ha ha ha!
joe rogan
There's no way they didn't see the boats.
That's a dumb thing.
People are like, oh wow, they didn't see the boats.
annie lederman
How the fuck do you know what they saw?
They saw things that look like this thing they're going to find out is called boats.
joe rogan
That's 500 years ago.
How the fuck do you know what they saw?
whitney cummings
I think the more fascinating thing about what you're saying is the fact that people are so willing to believe it, which is why we're in the situation we're in.
People want to believe crazy shit.
So when you see fake news, you're like, yeah, that happened.
You want to believe something ridiculous.
joe rogan
But it's also people say things like that, like they couldn't see the boat so that you pay attention to what they're writing.
Like, oh, this guy, he's saying crazy shit.
And then you go and pay, like, that's why people say crazy shit.
There's a lot of people that are, look.
annie lederman
A lot of our friends.
Yeah, for sure.
joe rogan
But like online trolls, right?
Like, what are they doing?
They're saying crazy shit so you pay attention.
I mean, that's really what it is.
whitney cummings
And it's addictive.
They know you get that adrenaline hit from the clickbait.
annie lederman
I just thought they wanted me to know I'm a fat cunt.
I didn't know that.
I thought they were just like, she's got to know she's a fat cunt.
whitney cummings
I'm a busted cunt.
Exactly.
annie lederman
I have to tell her.
whitney cummings
Has anything ever hurt your feelings in the comments?
annie lederman
If I'm on my period, I'm filled with rage.
And then I go, oh shit.
I go, it's the red week, guys.
whitney cummings
You still get your period.
That's good news.
joe rogan
The red week.
unidentified
Oh my god.
annie lederman
Whitney, you just made yourself elderly for no reason.
We're the same age, bitch.
You're just more successful than me.
I was like, Whitney, you know, we're the same age.
You're just way more successful than me.
unidentified
I think of you as being, like, 20, and I think of me as being, like, 71. Well, she had, like, a blackout segment of her life that, like, doesn't count.
annie lederman
Yeah.
joe rogan
Right?
It counts towards you being funny, but it doesn't count towards, like, life progress.
annie lederman
I'm five years younger than I am, because I just didn't have those years.
joe rogan
Yeah.
annie lederman
But there is footage, you know, luckily...
Drugs?
Just drinking.
whitney cummings
Oh, got it, got it, got it.
annie lederman
You know, just with enough Jaeger, you can really...
whitney cummings
Have I been with you drunk before?
annie lederman
I bet that's wild.
No, I quit drinking right after my first open mic.
whitney cummings
I bet you're a hot mess.
annie lederman
Oh, I was fun.
They called me Fun Girl Annie, which I just realized was an insult now.
I was like, oh.
I was like, that's right, I'm fun.
And everyone's like, yeah, bitch, you're fun.
whitney cummings
Did it, like, destroy your life?
annie lederman
Yeah, I would definitely be dead now, I think, if I didn't stop drinking.
whitney cummings
And what did you drink?
Jaeger?
annie lederman
I loved Jaeger.
I liked whiskey.
I liked anything that was kind of like I would either be in a frat or with a grandfather.
joe rogan
Is it harder for clean comics when you're...
I mean, clean meaning not sober?
annie lederman
I have no clue what it's like to be a clean comic.
joe rogan
Back to this conversation again?
No.
But when you go to a bar, like if you're at the comedy store and everyone's drinking...
annie lederman
For me, not one minute.
joe rogan
That's awesome.
annie lederman
Not for one second.
And it's funny.
Sometimes people will be like, is it weird I'm drinking?
And I'm like, you think I would relapse with you?
unidentified
I know.
annie lederman
By the way, if I relapse, I'm like going to throw a party.
We're going to an island.
It'll be fun.
whitney cummings
I've never understood how people can drink so much on stage.
When I see Stan Hope up there with a fucking thing of vodka, I just would just...
joe rogan
Most of the time, Stan Hope drinks Bud Light, though.
whitney cummings
Oh, nice.
annie lederman
So it's like water, yeah.
joe rogan
He drinks light beer, and he drinks it all day.
annie lederman
He's like, I just want to get fat.
He's like, I'm not trying to get drunk, I'm trying to get obese.
joe rogan
He likes to keep a mild buzz all the time.
annie lederman
I never want a mild buzz.
joe rogan
It's not a bad way to go.
Chappelle does that, too, if you notice.
Chappelle will keep a mild buzz.
And there's something about mild buzzes that really accentuate who gives a fuck comedy.
whitney cummings
Yeah.
joe rogan
Like, come on, I don't give a fuck.
annie lederman
Mild buzz, though, is so unattractive.
I was like, let's take a smoke break from my...
I was like, let's black the...
Like, bye, bitch!
I had no interest in being like...
Just a little loopy.
whitney cummings
I never drank wine until the pandemic.
Because I was just fucking bored and trying shit out.
I was like, what's my personality on this and this?
And I was trying to find the best version of my personality.
annie lederman
And it turns out it's rosé seltzer.
whitney cummings
It's white-clawed roofies.
So I was doing definitely ketamine, by the way.
annie lederman
Whitney's been date-raping herself, guys.
She's been putting herself into K-holes and then getting right in that hole.
whitney cummings
I do K and masturbate.
joe rogan
The ketamine is prescribed, though.
whitney cummings
It's prescribed, yeah.
It's like a nasal spray.
joe rogan
You have it here?
whitney cummings
It's in my purse somewhere, yeah.
annie lederman
What's so funny about it is it's a nasal spray, but when I was going to raves and doing it, we also nasally injected.
I mean, they're literally just...
whitney cummings
This is a pretty trace amount.
It's not a lot, and I only do it like a couple times a week.
joe rogan
A couple times a week.
annie lederman
What does it do when you do it?
whitney cummings
Let's do a bunch of ketamine and stab ourselves.
joe rogan
That's got his cooties on it.
It went through his arm.
I don't even think we cleaned it.
whitney cummings
Good.
annie lederman
Did it really go through his arm?
joe rogan
Oh, I pushed it through.
whitney cummings
And then he made you stop for a second?
joe rogan
Yeah, I hit a nerve the first time, then I had to back out and do it again.
I didn't want to do it.
annie lederman
Did the frog live?
joe rogan
Yeah, yeah, the frog's fine.
annie lederman
He shit the frog out?
joe rogan
He threw it up in my hand.
annie lederman
Do you know that there's a book called Eat That Frog that's about getting your work done in the morning?
It's just funny you literally ate the frog.
joe rogan
Oh, like eat it, just get it over with?
annie lederman
Like get the worst part done?
whitney cummings
Annie and I have swallowed way weirder things, to be honest.
annie lederman
We swallowed a lot, honestly.
joe rogan
That's not even a sharp ice pick.
whitney cummings
Did it make a sound at all?
joe rogan
No, it just was like puncturing a steak.
whitney cummings
And it wasn't, you picked the spot that you stacked.
joe rogan
Well, he kind of pointed me towards his arm, like what area is a better place to go through, but it was bleeding.
annie lederman
Do you think it would taste like elk?
joe rogan
I don't think so.
I think people taste like pigs.
annie lederman
That's what they say.
joe rogan
Cannibals call people long pigs.
That's literally a nickname.
whitney cummings
Did you notice that Blaine, whenever he would have you do something, he would first doubt himself?
It's almost like a power of suggestion thing where he'd be like, no, no, it might be fake.
Test it out.
It might be fake.
Remember the frog?
It might not be a real frog.
This might be weighted.
joe rogan
You can see it right there.
That's where I'm going through his arm.
annie lederman
Whose hand is that?
joe rogan
That's his hand.
That's his hand.
He's like pushing on the skin.
annie lederman
That is the darkest hand I've ever seen in my life.
joe rogan
He gets tanned.
He's got a lot of money.
whitney cummings
Is there something psychological?
annie lederman
It's either you're very poor or you're very rich if you're tan.
whitney cummings
Your face, Joe!
Is there something psychological about him doing that?
Like, touch it.
Maybe it's fake.
Make sure it's not fake.
joe rogan
Yeah, I'm sure it does that with cards.
I don't know anything about magic, but I would imagine anything you could do to overload the brain.
unidentified
Okay.
joe rogan
Like, if you're...
whitney cummings
Distract.
joe rogan
Yeah, if you're sparring with someone, or fighting, one of the things you're doing is you're trying to overload their brain.
So you're moving, you do things, you faint, you fake like you're gonna punch, then you kick them.
But what you're doing is you're fucking with their heads, you're giving them too many things to think about.
He's kind of doing that, too.
annie lederman
Yeah.
joe rogan
Like, check the cards out, and he says things, and he kind of doubts himself, and asks you if you're sure.
There's so many techniques involved in it.
But he is a master.
whitney cummings
Amazing.
joe rogan
Him doing that shit...
He had...
He did a card trick with one guy holding one of his wrists and another guy holding another wrist.
He couldn't do anything.
His sleeves were rolled up.
And he did a card trick for us.
annie lederman
So cool.
whitney cummings
I know you're not supposed to say how magic happens, but I don't think that this counts.
But there was this guy that I knew that did that.
annie lederman
You're afraid you're going to get in trouble with the magic castle?
She's like, I'll never go to the magic castle again.
I'm afraid I'm going to get canceled by magicians.
Jimmy Schubert's going to be so fucking mad at me.
whitney cummings
I don't want magicians coming for me.
But sometimes they carve holes into their hands and Like flaps of skin and that's where they put the coins underneath.
What?
Yeah, they carve little divots in their hands and that's how they hold the coins.
joe rogan
How the fuck can you carve a divot in your skin?
annie lederman
And then you let it heal?
whitney cummings
Yes, it's like scar tissue and that's how they're able to hold the coins.
annie lederman
What?
whitney cummings
Crazy shit.
joe rogan
Come on, really?
whitney cummings
Is there really no way to find out how magicians do their tricks?
joe rogan
Well, you'd have to become a magician.
whitney cummings
You have to.
joe rogan
Yeah.
annie lederman
They let you in.
You gotta get in the club.
whitney cummings
It's amazing.
joe rogan
Blaine was telling me that he has a friend that's a card guy that will literally be playing with his cards 13 hours every day.
Every time he's on the phone with them, he hears...
whitney cummings
They are athletes in a way.
joe rogan
Yes.
That's what I was saying to him.
I was like, the way you move your hands, it's similar to martial arts because when someone's really good at a martial arts move, they have it just, the pathway is just greased and slicked in their neurons and when they do it, it just goes.
And that was kind of him with his hands.
I was watching him move the cards around and I was like, whoa.
Like someone who plays guitar really good.
There's something about it.
Or piano.
It's fascinating.
annie lederman
Have you seen Kyle Dunnegan's joke about where he's like, I'm not good at magic but I have good magician hands and he's like...
joe rogan
Have you seen Time Canceller?
Have you ever seen this new thing?
Oh my god.
He goes back in time to cancel people from the past.
He says a tweet, he says like a mildly racist tweet like, is it just me or does Indian food smell funny?
And then he has to throw himself into a wood chipper.
And so a team of incredibly diverse women scientists rebuild him and they put him back together again like the six million dollar man out of the wood chipper and then they turn him into a much more woke version of himself who's a time-canceller.
So he's part machine and he goes back in time and cancels people.
annie lederman
Oh my god, that's so funny.
joe rogan
It's fucking hilarious.
It's so funny.
whitney cummings
Dude, I miss everyone.
annie lederman
I do too.
I know, it sucks, dude.
whitney cummings
It's weird to think that we saw each other every night.
unidentified
I know.
whitney cummings
Every night for 15 years.
joe rogan
And just talking shit, having fun and then boom, it stops.
annie lederman
So weird.
whitney cummings
It's like a family being broken up.
joe rogan
I don't think it should have stopped.
I really don't.
I don't.
You know, I think people should be able to make their own decisions.
annie lederman
Well, I think that there's ways to do it.
We could do the weird social distance things, you know, where it could either be outside or it could be, you know, people are far back and spread out wearing masks.
whitney cummings
It makes no sense that people are allowed to go outside, have socially distanced meals, but as soon as someone stands up with a microphone and starts talking...
annie lederman
It is a spitty job, though.
I was watching you when they changed the lights in the main room right before everything shut down and the lights were dark.
I was watching you from the side.
I've never seen so much spit.
It's like when the Sprinkler's kids jump through.
whitney cummings
Droplet after droplet after droplet.
annie lederman
We're all Gallagher, it turns out.
And I was like, holy shit.
- Holy shit, and then I was thinking that, and then I went, oh my God, when I got shut down, we really do deserve, I mean, I think we might deserve this. - We've been spreading COVID. - Also, we're spitting into mics, and then, I've made out with Tim Dillon, pretty much. - I've gotten the flu a couple of times from people's microphones.
joe rogan
One time I did a gig with Tommy and Tommy was sick as fuck.
We're in San Francisco and we all got the flu because we shared a microphone together.
annie lederman
Davidson?
joe rogan
No, Segura.
whitney cummings
I started bringing a microphone with me on the road like a year ago because I kept getting fucking bronchitis from, you know.
joe rogan
You get bronchitis from a mic?
annie lederman
That's good for your own mic.
whitney cummings
Yes, that's a good idea.
And I was like, my opener, everyone thought I was such an asshole and being a diva, but I was just like, dude, I can't get sick.
I did like 40 cities before I shot a special and it was so worth it.
annie lederman
I think that, I do think there's a lot of things that are happening in this that could carry over.
Like, I know you think a master for pussies or whatever, but I like that.
joe rogan
I don't think master for pussies.
annie lederman
There was a burr clip that went viral.
joe rogan
That was me trying to talk him into talking shit.
annie lederman
It was the funniest.
It was very funny.
joe rogan
I was like, come on, you believe in that?
I wear a bandana.
I have it everywhere.
annie lederman
I want to get a cool one.
I'm trying to think.
Oh, wait, can I show you the masks that I'm making?
whitney cummings
Yes.
annie lederman
Jay Leno would not approve of these.
whitney cummings
I was thinking about doing a joke.
Remember when all the prisoners were released?
unidentified
Is that you?
annie lederman
Oh, Annie!
Isn't that funny?
Do you think people buy it?
joe rogan
Fuck yeah, they'll buy it.
Where can they buy it?
annie lederman
Well, go to my website.
I'm gonna launch them.
I'm launching them this week.
joe rogan
You gotta do it immediately, otherwise people are gonna jump on this before you.
annie lederman
I'm launching it today.
When I leave, I will.
joe rogan
Because the problem is, when this goes up, these fucks, they'll start putting it up before you.
annie lederman
Well, I'm launching it today.
That's the Annie Letterman thing.
If anyone does it, Joe Rogan's gonna fucking sue you, okay?
He's going to get another $100 million suing your ass for me.
joe rogan
There's so many people selling bootleg shit online right now.
annie lederman
Isn't that funny, though?
joe rogan
It's bootleg everything.
whitney cummings
Fake Purell, all that shit.
joe rogan
Well, bootleg shirts, there's a lot of my shirts that are bootleg, a lot of mugs and stuff that are bootleg, all these different things that have nothing to do with me with my face on it.
annie lederman
Guys, this is sponsored by the Joe Rogan Podcast Experience.
joe rogan
That's a Yeti Tumblr.
annie lederman
Yeti Tumblr?
joe rogan
Yes.
It's legit.
It's very legit.
annie lederman
Everything's Yeti involved with you.
Every time I'm at the comedy store and we're talking, it somehow turns into you fighting bears.
I swear to God, every conversation, we could be talking about fucking anything, and then it's like three minutes in, once you walk in, I'm like, and we're fighting bears again.
Okay.
joe rogan
I have a real problem.
annie lederman
We gotta get you a bear.
joe rogan
No, I don't want to have anything to do with bears.
I'm scared of nature.
whitney cummings
Really?
joe rogan
Yeah, for sure.
annie lederman
That's why you kill it?
joe rogan
Well, no.
whitney cummings
I kill it to eat it.
Do you run with a taser?
I run with a little taser now.
joe rogan
I carry a big knife.
annie lederman
Please don't run with a knife.
I've seen you play basketball.
whitney cummings
I have a little taser.
joe rogan
Taser's not a bad idea, but I don't know if that'll work on an animal.
annie lederman
I carry nunchucks.
Paperweights that fit on your knuckles.
joe rogan
You carry that little taser around with you?
whitney cummings
This whole thing with me.
Yeah, I put it in my fanny pack.
joe rogan
Have you ever tased yourself to see what it feels like?
unidentified
No, I haven't.
annie lederman
I want to do it.
whitney cummings
Should we?
We have got to get more views than David Blaine.
unidentified
What if Annie dies?
annie lederman
What if Annie dies?
joe rogan
What if it just turns out that that's her Achilles heel?
She just falls over.
I'm like, she had so much promise.
annie lederman
I've been having a good week, so this is a good week to die.
whitney cummings
For someone that used to drink Jaeger, this is going to be fucking nothing.
joe rogan
So that's your thing?
So when a mountain lion comes after you, you just fucking knuckle punch them with that thing?
annie lederman
She has to protect her dogs from you.
unidentified
Wow.
whitney cummings
It has to heat up.
annie lederman
They look like elk.
They're big.
whitney cummings
And then I have that little hammer in my car.
unidentified
Wait a minute.
joe rogan
It has to heat up.
whitney cummings
Does it have to heat up?
I know I'm dead.
joe rogan
What?
Are you serious?
whitney cummings
Hey, hold on, Bear.
Can you just hold on?
I need to heat up my taser.
unidentified
Just stay there.
annie lederman
And we're talking about Bear Grill or whatever that guy's name is.
joe rogan
We're not talking about large, overweight gay men.
unidentified
Don't.
Oh, God!
annie lederman
No, you didn't.
joe rogan
Did you just touch that?
Oh, my God.
annie lederman
That's not real.
whitney cummings
I thought that it wasn't working.
It wasn't that bad.
It's really not that bad.
unidentified
It's not that bad.
annie lederman
I've done my dog collars.
joe rogan
The bear's gonna also agree that it's not that bad, but it's got I touch one little one and it's a lot of them Most likely if a mountain lion even if you have a knife if a mountain lion gets you you're fucked They're just too strong.
whitney cummings
Yeah, and they'll go straight for your face.
joe rogan
You want a fighting chance You want to just be able to sink something into their neck I watch The Covenant every day.
annie lederman
I go...
joe rogan
The Covenant?
annie lederman
Is that what it was called?
unidentified
The Revenant.
annie lederman
The Revenant.
unidentified
I was like, what?
annie lederman
I gotta go, tase me, quick.
I need to come back from this.
joe rogan
You know, it's kind of based on a real story.
annie lederman
It is?
joe rogan
Yeah, it's a little fucked up.
I mean, they switched a lot of shit around and changed some things, but it's kind of based on a real story.
annie lederman
That scene was so brutal.
whitney cummings
They were all brutal.
That was the only movie I had to take breaks from while I was watching it.
When his kid was dying and he couldn't get up and save his kid, that just destroyed me.
annie lederman
You are so nice.
It's so funny how nice you are.
When Joey fell, I always tell this story, Joey fell and hurt his knee at the Comedy Store one night, and Whitney was with him.
He ended up being alright, but he just tripped or whatever.
We're not going to sue you, Comedy Store.
But he was sitting on a rolling chair, and Whitney was like, and I rushed over and I went, Whitney, are you okay?
whitney cummings
I was destroyed.
No, Joey walked into the kitchen.
You know right when you walk into the kitchen?
annie lederman
It's just slippy.
unidentified
It's always greasy.
whitney cummings
Something from the air fryer or something.
I don't know what it is.
It's so oily right there.
joe rogan
How many fucking orders of fries come flying through that?
I mean, that's all anybody buys is fries and chicken wings.
It's all that oil.
whitney cummings
It's like a thick smegma on the ground.
You can feel it.
annie lederman
You always catch me eating the worst food.
I'm always like shoving my face and then Rogan walks in and I'm like...
whitney cummings
Just like deep throating those pretzels.
annie lederman
The nuts, just everything I'm eating.
joe rogan
Nuts are good.
whitney cummings
Joey's in front of me and we're going through the side, right?
Joey's in front of me.
I just see him go down and my brain just went, Joey had a heart attack.
Joey had a fucking heart attack.
He goes down, his leg went behind him.
It was some crazy shit where he did like a split and we couldn't figure out what even happened and he tore, didn't he?
annie lederman
He tore something near his ankle.
whitney cummings
Something like that.
Not his ACL, but something.
It was bad.
He couldn't walk.
He couldn't get up.
And if you were having a stroke or a heart attack, you don't know you're having it.
So he kept saying, like, I fell on my knee, I fell on my knee, and I was just so worried that he had a stroke.
joe rogan
Remember Jay Leno was telling us that story about Rodney?
annie lederman
Oh, yeah.
joe rogan
So he's hosting The Tonight Show.
Rodney does a set, and he's like, something's off.
He's like, call the paramedics.
annie lederman
Yeah, his rhythm and his timing was off.
joe rogan
And he was joking around, kind of, but he also knew that something really was wrong, so they called the paramedics, they checked Ronnie, he did have a fucking stroke.
So he had a stroke while he was out there doing stand-up, which is crazy.
annie lederman
It's insane.
whitney cummings
Didn't someone die on stage doing stand-up?
annie lederman
Two people have, there was a British guy, I don't know his name, who had a heart attack on stage, and then there was years ago, Jim Norton had posted a clip of it, there's a clip of it, it was a live kind of variety show, and there was this guy, I can't remember his name, I wish I remembered it, but he, um, He was doing a bit in front of a curtain and live television, and he passes out and falls out, and they're all laughing, thinking it's part of the bit, and then you see them drag him out.
But it's kind of a good way to go.
whitney cummings
This guy?
Oh, Jesus.
Where was this?
joe rogan
Is that right there?
Oh, my God.
unidentified
Oh.
joe rogan
Oh, that's how he really died?
whitney cummings
Was it a heart attack?
annie lederman
Yeah, I think you died of a heart attack.
joe rogan
Isn't that fucked up?
annie lederman
Don't grab your heart while we do this.
That's my titty.
That's my titty.
joe rogan
My heart's right here.
annie lederman
Dude, I always think I was telling Whitney about this when you were like flexing your pecs or something in the kitchen of the comedy store and I was like, I want to try it.
And you're like, ew, put your tits away.
whitney cummings
It is so funny because so many people want to go female comics, male comics.
I feel like we're together, we're so weirdly genderless.
We're like brother and sister.
joe rogan
We were talking about that the other night.
It's a real meritocracy.
If you're funny, you're one of the Klan, and that's really all it is.
I get that it's upsetting for people on the outside.
annie lederman
Yes, you're not in the club.
That sucks.
joe rogan
A friend of mine who is a philosopher, a very smart guy, tried to explain it to me, and he's just completely independent of this.
He's like, you guys have to understand that you're little, and he's not a comic at all, he's like, this little group of people is like a walled garden.
So there's a lot of people on the outside of it that see you guys having so much fun and doing all these things together and having each other on each other's podcasts.
There's just an automatic feeling in human nature to feel like you're alienated from that group.
So that group somehow or another disrespects you.
That group is negative or bad or mean or this or that.
And then it compounds.
Find whatever the group is.
Whatever your identity politics is.
If it's a right wing thing or a girl thing or a gay thing or a boy thing.
whitney cummings
Sports.
Yeah, whatever it is.
joe rogan
They find a thing that makes you different from them and you negative and then positive and you're a suppressor or you're a bad person.
annie lederman
Well, it's the outward locus of control, right?
So it's like I'm saying that my life is where I don't want to be because you made me feel this way or you did this.
It's not like...
Because if you think about it, anyone complaining about their place in comedy, it's like, that's time to write jokes.
The time that you're focusing on why you don't have a thing, you have no clue what anyone's story is.
You don't know if it was easy or hard for them.
But it is a hard job.
It's not a comfortable job.
joe rogan
Some of the people complaining have had specials.
So you've had a chance.
You got on Comedy Central, you got on Netflix, you got somewhere, and people didn't respond.
And that's not because the comedy store is filled with assholes.
That's not what that is.
It's a fucking hard thing.
Comedy's a hard thing.
whitney cummings
It's hard, and honestly, the harder the hallways are, the easier it is on stage.
So I was always so grateful when people...
annie lederman
It's fun, too.
joe rogan
It's fun.
You go on stage laughing at some shit someone just made fun of you about.
annie lederman
You try to one-up each other.
That's why Attell is the most fun person to hang out with, because he's so, like...
It never ends.
unidentified
He just shows up with a fucking plastic bag of his shit.
annie lederman
His 7-Eleven purse.
joe rogan
He's got a small garbage bag he brings with him.
annie lederman
He's a wire hanging out.
whitney cummings
One of the greatest comics who ever lived.
That's what I love about comics.
No matter how great, if you're a real fucking comedy story comic, you're still just who you are forever.
If you stay with your tribe.
joe rogan
We're lucky as fuck.
We're really, really lucky.
It's weird now.
You know, like that night when we were all hanging out doing the Comedy Store documentary, it was so much fun.
But it also was bittersweet because I left, when I was driving home, I was real emotional.
annie lederman
Do you remember I kept gripping you and going, don't go?
I was like, no!
I'd be in a conversation over here.
I wasn't a K-hole.
I was overdosed in a fucking K-hole.
Whitney's like, it's mental.
I'm like, I'm a cloud, bitch.
My body is a cloud.
That's not mental.
whitney cummings
There's going to be an expose on Whitney Cummings' drugging female comics.
I'm actually the pervious person in comedy.
joe rogan
Listen, that was the only time in this whole COVID period that I thought maybe I shouldn't go.
It was the only time.
I was hanging out with you guys.
It was fun.
But I'm still going.
unidentified
Damn it.
joe rogan
I was thinking, this is so rare.
How many grown adults, once you get to a certain age, you're in your 30s, you're with your friends, you don't have that kind of a life where you can go and be with your peers.
It's just so rare.
unidentified
It's the funhouse.
joe rogan
And the store is so unusual because people that go on the road, okay?
If you go on the road all the time, it's just you and the people you go on the road with.
You don't get to converge at a home base.
And that's what the store is.
That's what's so different.
Because you'll be one place, you'll be someplace, and I'll be that.
And then we see each other on Tuesday, like, ah!
whitney cummings
Yeah, it's like home base.
Like no time had passed.
annie lederman
I'm there, guys, by the way.
I'm there the whole time.
I'm working in the kitchen serving those chicken wings.
whitney cummings
There's something so crazy about this moment because it's also like I've never felt more loved and accepted than I had in a comedy store.
I never felt like myself.
I never felt accepted.
I always felt like I was walking on eggshells.
I didn't know who I was.
annie lederman
It's so weird you feel that comfortable.
We hate you.
We don't like you, Whitney.
joe rogan
Oh my god, it's catty daddy.
unidentified
Whitney!
whitney cummings
It's so true.
I didn't think you liked me for the longest time.
annie lederman
Oh, we should finish that funny story.
joe rogan
Oh, yeah, we should finish that story.
annie lederman
So I do the roast battle.
Whitney's one of the judges.
And Whitney was already pissed about something.
whitney cummings
Well, because everyone was attacking my shiny-ass face and saying that I had plastic surgery and all this shit.
annie lederman
But do you have a new product coming out?
whitney cummings
But I do.
I am launching a line of face oil.
annie lederman
Isn't that so funny?
Isn't that the perfect thing?
joe rogan
It's called my shiny face.
whitney cummings
My shiny-ass fucking face.
It's KY Jelly.
annie lederman
But, um, yeah, you can also fuck, yeah.
joe rogan
You can fuck my nose hole.
annie lederman
So she, okay, so Whitney was, like, she was, like, giving her assessment of my set or whatever, and she's, like, she goes, she goes, I just feel like you need to smile more, and I was, like, I was, like, smile more?
I was, like, what is this in the streets?
Like, I was, like, and I was, like, in a hyper, like, fight mode, and I was, like, smile more?
I was just, like.
joe rogan
Whoa, Streets of Albuquerque came out.
annie lederman
Streets of fucking Santa Fe.
No, Philly.
Suburbs of Philly first.
But Whitney, you texted me the next day.
You're like, hey, it's Whitney Cummings.
I'm sorry if I offended you.
I was at the mall.
I was like, Whitney.
I was like, can I take a break?
I was working at Hot Topic.
And I was like, a famous person's texting me.
No, but you texted me and it was so sweet.
whitney cummings
I was like, please don't cancel me.
Please don't talk to a reporter.
annie lederman
No, but it was very nice.
And then I just texted you back and I was like, yeah, I just...
And I went, when you were judging, I went, Whitney, I was molested, I don't smile, and you were like, we were all molested!
whitney cummings
And then I was worried that I was, like, silencing her because she was like, sorry, Whitney, I'm molested.
annie lederman
Whitney, the text from you are so funny.
This is what I love about you.
One time we were talking in the back at the, we were in the green room and in the main room and you go, we're talking about rape or something.
And you go, and you go, you go, you go, I'm sorry, I'm not listening to anything you're saying.
I'm just thinking about whether my face is shiny.
I'm like, it is.
You know the answer, bitch.
And then you text me the next day or you call me and you're like, I'm so sorry, were you talking about being raped?
And I started talking about my face.
You come to a complete circle.
You're always working whatever step that is.
Whatever fucking step that is, you're always working it.
So no problems there.
But I accidentally, I was looking at the thing you had texted me and I said something.
I accidentally sent a voice memo to you.
Talking shit on another female comedian.
Like, trashing a female comedian.
And it sent the voice, like, my finger hit, and I was so embarrassed.
whitney cummings
You sent it to me.
annie lederman
Talking shit on another, but you wouldn't have thought it was about you.
I said her name and everything, but it was just, like, so crazy that I was then voice memoing you being, like, this fucking bitch.
And then, um...
joe rogan
Voice memos are odd.
Because it's, like, I don't have voicemail.
Like, if you call me voicemail, it just goes to fuck you.
It just, like, goes to the ether.
annie lederman
Do you have voice female?
joe rogan
But voice memos.
annie lederman
It's a callback to the other night.
It's a callback to the other night.
whitney cummings
Tweet it.
joe rogan
Anyway.
But those voice memos that people send, they're odd because you have to listen.
It's like if you send me a text, I can go 830. Got it.
annie lederman
Well, Spade always does the voice memos.
I think it's because he doesn't want to put his readers on.
unidentified
Yeah.
whitney cummings
Well, it's also when you send someone a voice memo and then you see that they kept it, you're like, why the fuck do you keep that?
joe rogan
Oh, you could tell if someone keeps it?
whitney cummings
Yes, it says kept or saved.
annie lederman
That was the cutest.
You just went, yes!
That was cute.
I'm sexy.
Listen, experiment with it.
joe rogan
It's kind of Mission Impossible that it disappear.
I like that they go away.
annie lederman
It's fun.
I think it's more bond, trauma bond.
whitney cummings
I will say, though, when you go, I feel like our text chains, like comedians' text chains, if they ever get out, we're all going to get canceled.
joe rogan
There's one time I was like, we should all delete these.
There was one where we got so ridiculous.
whitney cummings
But you've also got too famous.
I'm like, you guys, we can't text Joe certain shit.
annie lederman
No, I think he's gotten overly famous to the point where we can again.
Oh, yeah!
whitney cummings
He's uncancellable!
annie lederman
He's gone past it!
Now it's like, yes!
whitney cummings
Because there are times where I want to send something and I'm like, I don't know, Joe's on this chain.
I feel like he's just too famous for this.
joe rogan
You should see the shit Segura sends me.
whitney cummings
Jesus Christ.
joe rogan
I played it yesterday for Nikki Glaser.
It's this girl fisting herself, but in the most preposterous way where you're like, what?
annie lederman
Well, is there a way that's not preposterous?
joe rogan
No, no, no, this is a different thing.
whitney cummings
Is fisting real?
joe rogan
Oh, I'll show you.
whitney cummings
But you know what it is?
annie lederman
It's this.
That's right, that's right.
whitney cummings
It's putting all your fingers together.
It's not like a punch.
annie lederman
You go in.
Jamie, you've been fisted.
Tell us.
joe rogan
Here you go.
unidentified
I'm sending your reactions for this video.
annie lederman
Wait, hold on, hold on.
joe rogan
Your face!
Hold on, hold on.
annie lederman
Oh my god, it's me.
unidentified
Oh no!
whitney cummings
This girl...
unidentified
Oh no!
annie lederman
Just stole your act, Annie.
Just stole my fisting act.
joe rogan
Preposterous is the right word, right?
annie lederman
Well, it's gotta hurt.
Why are you punching yourself?
She's like a bruised cervix.
joe rogan
I don't think it is, but...
annie lederman
A bruised-ass cervix.
joe rogan
Anything that's fucked up like that, Tom Segar will send it to me.
annie lederman
It looks like the opposite of having a baby.
whitney cummings
I know!
You guys send me the most fucked up shit and I'm like, I'm so going to jail for this.
joe rogan
But you're not.
I think that's legal.
I'm pretty sure that's legal.
annie lederman
No, it's not.
You don't actually...
We have to be very clear.
You don't actually get things that could send you to jail.
joe rogan
You know, but here's the thing.
annie lederman
We're kidding!
joe rogan
Florida has some wacky laws with that stuff.
That's why they prosecuted certain like pornographers because they decided that it was, you know, that's why they prosecuted the two live crew.
Like it's like Broward County, Florida.
Like they go after people.
What is that?
There was one guy was a really famous case and it really opened up a lot of people's eyes in terms of pornography.
There was this guy who was like known to be like ultra disgusting.
Like the stuff that he did was like super abusive and like he would open up girls assholes like with a speculum and then piss inside of them and like crazy.
annie lederman
It kinda sounds like it would feel good.
If I'm being real, it's like warm.
whitney cummings
Which is wrong.
joe rogan
Depends on how much beer he had.
unidentified
It's wrong.
joe rogan
Max Hardcore.
Yeah, so that guy.
So he was found guilty on 20 counts of obscenity by a Tampa, Florida jury.
And so they decide what's obscene and what's not obscene.
It's like they can make a distinction between regular pornography and what they decide is obscenity and violates the law.
So they put him in fucking jail.
annie lederman
Jesus, I'm like, just...
joe rogan
So I don't know if there was...
You see, that's the thing.
If you're doing that kind of shit, are you making people sign releases?
Do they know that you're going to do that kind of shit?
annie lederman
Are they going to arrest the girl that's punching her fist into her pussy too?
Which, by the way, I feel like she could get out of jail.
She could slide through.
She could punch and then slide through the...
whitney cummings
She would kill it in jail.
joe rogan
She'd be fine.
But then the other perspective is, okay, what if this is your 18-year-old daughter who gets off of a Greyhound bus and meets this guy, and she has no idea what she's about to do, and she thinks she's going to do just like a sex movie, and this guy's pissing in her eyeballs and punching her in the face.
There was all kinds of...
I don't know if he punched her, but you know what I mean.
annie lederman
Is that what the pee tapes are going to be?
joe rogan
Do you think the pee tapes are real?
annie lederman
I just don't care.
whitney cummings
Have you ever had a guy try to pee on you?
annie lederman
No, but I had like one guy that I was like, it was like the guy that we weren't, we were just going to like do the things that we'd never done.
And we just ended up not liking each other so we didn't bang again.
But I was like, I would let you pee on me.
whitney cummings
Do the things you've never done, what?
Like kiss on the mouth?
annie lederman
Yeah.
Make eye contact.
He said I love you into my face.
whitney cummings
Like tell the truth.
Programmed each other's numbers into our phones.
I had a guy pee on me once.
He really wanted to pee on me, and I was like, fine.
And I started dying laughing.
joe rogan
Were you guys in the bathroom or in the bed?
whitney cummings
It was in the shower.
annie lederman
Oh, I've been peeing on in the shower.
You pee on people.
Yeah, of course.
joe rogan
That's funny, though.
whitney cummings
But he was trying to get on my face.
It was supposed to be sexual.
It was supposed to be sexual.
annie lederman
But then the sheen from your face just slipped it off.
He ricocheted back on him.
unidentified
He was blinded by the mirror that is my forehead.
joe rogan
You know how when water gets on Vaseline, it just beats up?
whitney cummings
I damaged his retina from my lewd up face.
And as soon as it started, I could not stop laughing and I ruined the moment.
joe rogan
That's so ridiculous.
Ruin the moment?
You made the moment.
That's the only thing good about that moment was you laughing at him.
There's no ruining that.
He's pissing in your face.
annie lederman
It's so funny.
joe rogan
Just the fact that he wants to do it.
The best way out is you making fun of him.
whitney cummings
And I can't tell if guys are doing it because they've seen it in porn or they're actually into it.
annie lederman
It's got to be like a pheromone thing or something.
So why do they want to pee on us?
Don't they want us to pee on them?
whitney cummings
Coming on the face, guys really want to do it.
I think it's like a humiliation thing.
They want to degrade you.
joe rogan
I think they want you to like it.
whitney cummings
Interesting.
joe rogan
They want you to want them to do it.
You're so over the top, crazy sexual.
I think that's why it exists in porn.
The humiliation thing, maybe sometimes.
Maybe sometimes, but I think not always.
I don't think it's just that.
I think it's like a, wow!
annie lederman
I hate it.
I don't hate it, but then once it happens, you're like, this is like...
whitney cummings
Here's my thing.
If you're gonna come on my face, you better not miss.
annie lederman
Don't get my hair.
Do not make me wash my hair again.
whitney cummings
No, you better not embarrass yourself.
I don't want to have to bob and weave to catch it.
joe rogan
Like a dog with a treat.
annie lederman
I'm Marshall all of a sudden.
whitney cummings
It's just weird when it's like not enough and it's disappointing and I have to pretend like it's more than enough.
annie lederman
Dudes definitely jizz and have their dogs catch it.
That is gross.
I just thought it and I know it's gotta be.
joe rogan
For sure, somebody.
annie lederman
Somebody's done that.
joe rogan
Isn't that funny that the amount of load is important?
whitney cummings
Well, I used to, the same person that told me you can't recognize yourself on the street.
annie lederman
It's David Blaine, by the way.
It was a magic trick.
whitney cummings
No, but I used to hear these women, there was like a show on VH1, these like rock stars wives who would always make their husbands who were like touring on the road come outside of them when they first came home to make sure they weren't cheating because they thought they'd have- They wanted to see how much cum there was?
How much cum they had, but that's not how it works.
unidentified
Is that science?
That's hilarious.
annie lederman
I like that.
That is so hilarious.
If you want to see how much your husband jerks off, you should always leave the Build-A-Tan lotion.
Put it in a lotion bottle and you can see how dark it is.
joe rogan
Those are rookies.
Who uses the lotion?
If you really need that, then you really shouldn't be jerking off.
annie lederman
I'm sure you have some sort of...
joe rogan
There's jerking off when it's a compulsion and you need lubes and you need to stick a vibrator up your ass.
And there's jerking off because you're actually horny.
annie lederman
I didn't know about this vibrator up the ass thing.
joe rogan
Well, you don't go online.
whitney cummings
I have a taser.
annie lederman
I can use the taser.
You taser my pussy!
joe rogan
Right when you're about to go...
Just imagine if that...
Because, you know, they do that to mules, actually.
annie lederman
What?
joe rogan
Yeah, when they want to extract sperm from them, they actually stick a cattle prod up their asshole and they just shoot.
annie lederman
Oh my gosh.
joe rogan
I know that because of Fear Factor.
whitney cummings
That's someone's job.
joe rogan
No, because of Fear Factor.
We made people drink Donkey Kong.
annie lederman
Did you ever drink the bad stuff?
Did you ever taste it?
joe rogan
I didn't drink that, but I ate a bunch of things.
I ate a cockroach, a Madagascar, giant hissing cockroach.
I ate tomato.
annie lederman
And it popped in your mouth?
joe rogan
Oh, it destroyed.
It just was all chewy.
annie lederman
Did it taste good at all?
joe rogan
No, but it didn't taste bad.
whitney cummings
Is it alive?
joe rogan
It's a mindfuck, yeah.
It's a mindfuck.
It doesn't taste bad.
It's almost like tasteless.
No big deal.
whitney cummings
The legs are what get me.
joe rogan
Yeah, but it's basically a lobster.
A lobster is a bug.
It's not much different.
It really isn't.
It's all just in your head.
whitney cummings
It's psychological because we think of cockroaches as just being...
annie lederman
I cooked a lobster the other day and I felt so bad.
I was holding it.
I was trying to take a picture and I dropped it.
And then when I picked it up, it was...
Foaming and shitting and pissing.
I murdered it before I murdered it.
joe rogan
This is how Fear Factor got canceled.
They had to play horseshoes and either they drunk a giant glass of donkey cum or a giant glass of donkey piss.
It's interesting.
All the men wanted to drink the donkey piss.
The girls wanted to drink the cum.
Yeah, we're used to that.
annie lederman
They actually thought it was easier.
whitney cummings
That's not a big deal.
annie lederman
This goes right down.
joe rogan
I know, but I thought it was stunning.
annie lederman
Protein?
joe rogan
These girls were drinking giant beer steins of cum.
whitney cummings
I'm going to puke.
annie lederman
The belly button rings are so funny.
joe rogan
And I had to talk them into it, so I'm talking them through this while they're doing it.
This is where it got the show canceled.
whitney cummings
But were the ratings bananas?
joe rogan
No, they never made it on the air because TMZ got a hold of this and TMZ posted like someone from the...
There's two times where I told them don't do it, the people that were running the show.
One time was they were bull riding and they were like, don't worry, it's stunt bulls.
I go, that bull does not know it's a stunt bull.
That's a fucking bull, man.
I saw the animal that these people got on, and one of them was a girl.
She was like 95 pounds.
And that fucking bull launched her through the air like she didn't exist.
Like a pillow.
annie lederman
That sucks that I'm mad at her for being 95 pounds.
I'm glad she got hurt.
joe rogan
The heel of the bull as he's kicking, the hoof, barely missed her head.
annie lederman
Jesus.
joe rogan
Like this.
unidentified
Wow.
joe rogan
Like within a foot of her head.
Like if it kicked her in the head, who the fuck knows what would have happened?
So this is one where I told these people, I'm like, do not fucking do this.
whitney cummings
No, it's crazy.
joe rogan
Is this the girl?
See that thing?
See how close that came to her head?
She was really hurt.
whitney cummings
Did she fuck up her back?
joe rogan
Well, she didn't land well.
She landed really badly.
whitney cummings
Whoa, it did hit her.
joe rogan
But the hoof missed her.
It's the back of the ham is what slapped into her.
Luckily, I don't think that hurt her nearly as bad as the hoof would have hurt her.
whitney cummings
I cracked my L4 falling off a horse just like that.
joe rogan
That was honestly her rolling the dice.
She was tough as fuck.
She got up and she was okay.
whitney cummings
She looks thin.
joe rogan
Yeah, she's a tiny girl.
annie lederman
I bet you she's fat now.
joe rogan
Yeah.
annie lederman
Doesn't last forever, bitch!
joe rogan
How dare you?
annie lederman
Just kidding, she's very pretty.
I hope she's very svelte.
whitney cummings
Dude, Fear Factor was like the beginning of the internet.
It was like, you know what I mean?
Like, it was such a...
It was the first time...
Like, it was the...
It was like TV never could come back from it.
Nothing could compete with it after that, except the internet.
joe rogan
That was as far as they could take it.
annie lederman
What channel was it?
joe rogan
That was NBC. That was as far as they could take it.
Donkey Kong.
I remember walking into the office going, what are you talking about?
And they're going, this is what they're going to do.
They're going to play horseshoes.
I go, is there a way that they can get out of drinking it totally?
Like if they land, what is it?
Horseshoe when you get a shoe?
What is it?
annie lederman
A point?
I don't know.
joe rogan
What is it when you hit the thing?
whitney cummings
On a horseshoe?
joe rogan
Any idea?
whitney cummings
A goal?
joe rogan
I'm like, is it possible if they ring around the horseshoe?
annie lederman
It's definitely not called ring around the horseshoe.
It's 100%.
joe rogan
Is it possible that they could drink nothing?
And they said no.
annie lederman
Yeah.
joe rogan
Then you have to only drink like eight ounces.
I'm like, this is crazy.
annie lederman
It is.
It's like a, it's a bestiality rape situation where you're forcing them to swallow the sexual juices.
This was signed off.
whitney cummings
It's also a wild amount of cum.
joe rogan
A wild amount of cum.
annie lederman
Well, isn't it funny that people keep getting canceled for like doing blackface and shit, but the network signed off on it.
You're like, why?
unidentified
They signed off on it.
annie lederman
Why is it the person's fault?
It's like the network should be the one.
whitney cummings
It's on SNL. It's like, you know how many people have to sign off on that in order to make it happen?
Like 200 people said, sure.
joe rogan
If you're around a bunch of crazy fucks, like the comics at the store, and then one person says, I think you can do it.
You're like, we can do it?
We are not the fucking people to be talking to about that.
But even then, I was telling them not to do it.
I was like, don't do this.
Listen to me.
When I'm the voice of reason, We're fucked.
I'm like, this show's fucked.
You can't have me telling you you're going too far.
And they're like, man, I think you're wrong.
I think this is fine.
I go, it's cum.
annie lederman
Did they go to you, this is all mental.
It's all mental.
joe rogan
No, they didn't.
They were laughing.
whitney cummings
Did any of them puke?
joe rogan
Oh, yeah.
Afterwards, I saw so many people puke.
Like, a stunning amount of people puke.
whitney cummings
Is it true that there's contagious puking, where if you see one person puke, you automatically puke?
joe rogan
Yeah, for sure.
Yeah, I used to get it.
annie lederman
Really?
joe rogan
Fear Factor cured me of it.
whitney cummings
Whoa!
joe rogan
Yeah, when I was in high school, if a kid puked in the hallway, I just...
unidentified
Whoa!
joe rogan
I would start puking.
whitney cummings
What is that?
joe rogan
It's because there's something wrong, like maybe even bad food, and you're with that person, so maybe you ate that bad food too, and your body's like, oh...
annie lederman
Or you smell it, maybe?
Let's just...
joe rogan
Let's not take any risks and let's just throw this shit up.
whitney cummings
Survival instinct if I see someone.
joe rogan
It was actually explained to me by someone who knows what it is.
That's really interesting.
Like your body's trying to purge it because it's like, oh, this person's throwing up.
There could be a bad bug or I could have eaten some bad food and you just blah.
You just want to throw up too.
annie lederman
Have you ever been thrown up on?
joe rogan
Yeah, yeah.
People have hit me.
Like, hit my feet and shit.
Fear Factor.
annie lederman
I saw...
joe rogan
Who knows how many people throw up?
annie lederman
I puked on the whole cast of the Real World Road Rules Challenge in Santa Fe once.
I got so hammered.
Do you remember when they used to do that?
They would, like, have all the old alumni come?
whitney cummings
Were you on that show?
annie lederman
No, I was living in...
I was a go-go dancer in Santa Fe.
And I... That's not stripping, by the way.
Absolutely.
I loved the show, so I couldn't believe all the people coming into town.
It's such a small town, so I was like, holy shit.
We had a lot of celebrities like Sam Shepard and all these people, but I was like, fuck that.
I want to hang out with the Road Rules guy.
So I was so excited, but I got the flu.
So instead of not going out, I just chugged Dayquil, and then I was drinking white Russians because I was like 20. You know, so I puked like this milky orange shit all over them and it just happened to be a day that they weren't filming.
unidentified
Oh no!
joe rogan
You puked on them?
annie lederman
I puked all over them.
I'm like, why was this not being filmed?
It could be my first TV credit.
whitney cummings
Oh shit!
annie lederman
And then I was thinking about it.
It was funny because later in that week I was at a bar and all the people were there but the producers and stuff and the producers were like, so what's your story?
And I realized they were like, this crazy bitch has got to be on the real world.
whitney cummings
They probably were like, She's good television.
joe rogan
She's our new puck.
whitney cummings
Oh my god, puck.
Is he dead?
I feel like all the people died.
annie lederman
One guy had AIDS in the beginning.
joe rogan
They become famous and then you're just cast out into the world with no talent.
annie lederman
They were the first reality stars too.
whitney cummings
I remember one time a friend of mine was at a restaurant in Charleston, South Carolina and one of the famous girls from the real world was a waitress at one of the restaurants and took a picture and sent it to me and I was like, oh Of course they didn't pay them anything, but they were famous and broke.
joe rogan
Well, I remember there was a place that John and Kate Plus ate, the John guy, he was working at a regular job.
whitney cummings
John Gosselin.
joe rogan
Yeah, and people wouldn't leave him alone.
I'm sure now he's okay, but I remember I was in Hawaii once with my family, and we went to this ice cream place, and they were like, John and Kate were just here!
annie lederman
Serving, scooping ice cream!
joe rogan
This was back when it was a show, when it was on television, and it's a weird kind of fame, because they were really famous, and now they're They're not.
It just stopped.
annie lederman
You a little bit have it, too, I think, because we're ourselves on stage.
None of us are really that much of characters, I would say.
But with the Impractical Jokers, when I hang out with Sal from Impractical Jokers, people come up and they think they know him because of his personality.
They'll be like, Sal!
And deck him.
I'm like, Jesus Christ, we're just at the movies.
Like, chill.
joe rogan
Oh, no.
whitney cummings
I mean, that's how Houdini died, right?
Yeah.
But yeah, I get that a lot, too.
When I was doing the roast, for sure, people would come up to me and be like, hey, cunt!
And I'd be like, Jesus.
Whoa.
It's like 2.30 at the airport.
joe rogan
I've panicked when I met famous people and put my foot in my mouth and seemed like a moron.
annie lederman
Wait, did I tell you what I did?
After I did your show, we talked about Survivor, and I ran into Jeff Probst.
Survivor's my favorite show.
And every time I'm on your show, I will tell the millions of people to keep watching Survivor.
It's number one.
whitney cummings
You should do a show called Sexual Assault Survivor.
annie lederman
Sexual Assault Survivor.
Bond.
Trauma bonding.
Also, I was molested.
No, but I ran into him at Coffee Bean, and he's my guy.
He's the person I freak out about, and I know that's nerdy, but I love the show so much.
joe rogan
You know what's hilarious?
That's where I met him.
I met him at Coffee Bean.
annie lederman
Oh, really?
unidentified
Yeah.
annie lederman
I name-dropped you so fucking fast, because I was being such a psycho that I needed him to know that I had some sort of stake in Hollywood.
I was like, I'm a comic star writer.
My name's on the wall.
I just talked about you on Joe Rogan's podcast, and he goes, I love Joe.
He's like, come on the show.
And I was like, I'm a psycho.
I can't.
Everyone's a psycho and I was like, no.
joe rogan
What if you made a million dollars on Survivor?
annie lederman
I can't show my feet.
joe rogan
Oh, that's right.
annie lederman
They'd have to pixelate.
whitney cummings
What's wrong with your feet?
annie lederman
No, no, no.
I just have a bit where I don't show my feet.
And I just can't end it for the rest of my life.
joe rogan
You've never seen her Instagram?
whitney cummings
Yeah, do you?
joe rogan
All of the pictures of her feet on Instagram are pixelated.
annie lederman
Oh my god, Whitney muted me.
joe rogan
Listen, on Instagram, even the picture that she took when she was on the show the first time, her feet pixelated.
She's got her foot up in the air and it's pixelated.
annie lederman
And now it's just like a bit.
It's just like a bit now forever.
whitney cummings
My feet are so ugly, but for some reason I think it's like my first Google search is Whitney Cummings' feet.
annie lederman
Yeah, they want the feet.
joe rogan
Well, that's for every girl that's ever lived.
whitney cummings
It's not face.
It's not face.
unidentified
It's not body.
whitney cummings
It's not comedy.
joe rogan
Oh, it's the freaks online.
The really dark, in-the-basement freaks are the ones that are in the feet.
whitney cummings
And what's the deal with foot fetish?
Someone was saying that it was something about because babies, they crawl around and their moms are barefoot.
annie lederman
What I know of it, which I don't...
Who knows, but...
It is.
It's like the – a guy was doing a phantom limb study and he said that when he was checking the brain that the neuropathways that go from your brain to your feet are next to the ones that go to your genitals.
So he thinks that that got mixed in some people.
whitney cummings
Oh, interesting.
I thought it was something about – as a kid, you see your mom's feet so much when you're so tiny and you – You guys really are just trying to bang your moms.
annie lederman
It's really weird.
joe rogan
It's Freud.
whitney cummings
It's really kind of exhausting.
joe rogan
That was another interesting thing about the book.
Talking about Freud and the cocaine thing with Freud.
People back then, when Freud was doing coke, they didn't think that addiction was for intellectuals.
They thought brilliant people couldn't get addicted.
annie lederman
Isn't it hilarious?
joe rogan
Literally, he thought he could take coke with abandon and he'd be fine because that's a mental weakness.
And he would never have a mental weakness.
annie lederman
You know what I think about a lot, though?
All the people like Bukowski, all the people that are like brilliant, you look back, they were so fucked up.
And I always struggle with that, where I'm like...
whitney cummings
Picasso, all those guys that were awful.
annie lederman
I watched the Masterclass of David Lynch, and he was like, I go outside, I can't do it with David Lynch, but he goes, he's like, I go outside when I write, my best writing is done when I do, I have a legal notepad, I go outside, I drink wine, and I smoke cigarettes.
And I was like so close to smoking cigarettes.
Again, I got nicotine toothpicks, because I was like, maybe I'll be brilliant like David Lynch if I smoke cigarettes.
But it's like, do we need that?
I don't know.
joe rogan
No.
whitney cummings
I do think there's a certain, like, ability to risk and be self-destructive.
Like, I'll smoke cigarettes sometimes, and I'm like, fuck it.
Like, fuck it.
You do need a fuck it mentality to take risks on stage and to stay out till two in the morning and to jeopardize yourself and your relationship.
joe rogan
There's value in booze.
There's value in pot.
There's value in mushrooms.
There's value in those things.
But it's not necessarily the whole thing.
I think people can write brilliant shit and be stone cold sober.
It's a focus thing.
You can talk your mind into psychedelic states.
Absolutely.
Holotropic breathing and meditation.
annie lederman
You know that I do breath work all the time.
I've been treating this quarantine like...
Because these are my eat, pray, love years.
unidentified
Like a camp?
annie lederman
No, it's my eat, pray, love years.
I should be in India fucking a Sherpa.
I should not be trapped in my house.
So I do breath work every day.
joe rogan
I think Sherpas are in the Himalayas.
annie lederman
Oh my God, you always do this to me.
joe rogan
Sorry.
annie lederman
We get it.
You read the articles.
I read the headlines.
joe rogan
I just want to save you from being canceled.
Nepal is not India.
unidentified
And he gets her news from Infowars.
annie lederman
I just read your Instagram and then I'm like, I'm smart.
I know Jeff Probst and Joe Rogan.
joe rogan
Jeff Probst wanted me on the show, but I'm not ready for it.
annie lederman
Yes!
Wait, let's do it together?
joe rogan
No, I'm saying to you.
I'm doing you.
I was doing you.
Jeff Probst popped me on the show.
whitney cummings
You should do it.
Don't they have like couple survivor or like friend survivor?
We could do it together.
joe rogan
You would do it together?
annie lederman
We are so annoying.
Do you know how fast they would vote us off?
joe rogan
But that's the good thing.
annie lederman
I get more annoying the more tired I am.
whitney cummings
I do think comedians, we do have like grit.
Like I do think we could win.
joe rogan
Oh yeah!
You two fucking psychos can win.
whitney cummings
For sure.
We do have a certain level of grit and exoskeleton.
joe rogan
It's about manipulation.
whitney cummings
That is where I shine.
It's about being a pathological liar.
annie lederman
If you're not a liar, I don't believe you.
joe rogan
Listen, anybody who's a comic has had some damage when you're young, and then you see vulnerabilities in people, you see things to complain about, you would find their weaknesses.
You two are both predators.
You would see where they're fucked up, and you're like, Well, that's what you had to do in a fucked up home.
whitney cummings
You had to learn how to beguile and manipulate and charm people.
annie lederman
I like how our trauma landed on us differently and you know what beguile means?
I'm like, what's beguiled?
joe rogan
No bullshit.
No bullshit.
Seriously.
You guys should 100% have a show together.
You guys would like, you know, there's like guys we fucked and call her daddy.
There's all these couple girls.
You guys would dominate that shit.
The two of you would fucking dominate that shit.
The two of you together would have the number one podcast on planet Earth.
A hundred percent.
whitney cummings
Should we try to eclipse Joe Rogan?
annie lederman
You could do it.
joe rogan
I'm not bullshitting you.
A hundred percent could do it.
You would get all the girls.
unidentified
All of them.
joe rogan
You're both like badass chicks but you're not you even though you have been victims you're not victims you talk honest your comics are really incredible but you're both legit comics like you two together like that would be a fucking monster combination and I'll help you I I'm busy.
I'll promote it.
I'll do whatever the fuck you want.
I'll put you guys on the show.
I think you should do it.
whitney cummings
We also, by the way, because I just started my podcast.
You have your podcast.
I now have time for another one.
joe rogan
That's what I'm talking about.
whitney cummings
Now that I've done the podcast enough, I serve them.
annie lederman
We can do it from this studio.
Can we do it from here?
joe rogan
That was our plan.
annie lederman
We had some plans.
joe rogan
We'd have to figure out how to get somebody to watch you, like Hawks.
whitney cummings
I think you have actual hawks in here.
joe rogan
I have to keep the Navy SEAL guys on staff.
whitney cummings
Part of the reason I love Annie so much and our relationship so much is that I feel like I don't see people disagree anymore.
No one will tolerate anyone that disagrees with them in any way.
People just want to align with people and it's like a fucking echo chamber circle jerk of like, we agree, we agree.
Annie and I can disagree and fuck with each other and we still respect each other and love each other and have different points of view.
joe rogan
Ari and I disagree about 80% of the things That's how it is with most friends.
You're supposed to be like that.
If you're married to your ideas to the point where they're your identity, and you can't...
Can't be challenged.
Well, not only that.
Your ideas...
An idea is not, first of all, it's just an idea.
It's not even yours.
It's just an idea.
And if someone doesn't agree with it, why is it personal?
But it is.
It is for most of us, most of the time.
It's taken me forever to try to beat that down.
I don't have it totally beaten down, But I have it to the point where I recognize, oh, I'm attached to this.
Let's just look at it for what it is.
It's not me.
I'm not this idea.
But so many people...
And this is what we're seeing with politics in the biggest way possible.
annie lederman
It's insane.
joe rogan
This is not...
The Democratic Party is you.
You have to win.
annie lederman
You know what I mean?
joe rogan
It's not just these ideas.
It's not just an election.
annie lederman
It's you.
Well, people fighting over the masks, too.
They've politicized it.
They've made it like this part of their identity.
They're watching everyone.
joe rogan
All those people with their masks on their avatar.
annie lederman
Fuck.
unidentified
Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.
joe rogan
Is that how you look best?
annie lederman
People also, I get annoyed when I, because I'll do live streams and stuff from my car, not when I'm driving, but I'll have my mask on and everyone will be like, why are you, and I'm like, I don't, the mask means so little to me.
It means so much to other people.
It means so little.
I don't notice that it's on.
whitney cummings
Right.
annie lederman
I didn't remember that it's on.
joe rogan
Well, that's because your nose is really big.
whitney cummings
I was going to say, I was going to say!
joe rogan
My nose is so good that I can't smell it.
It's more flattened, so it touches my face more.
annie lederman
Yeah, because you got beat up.
I'm sorry I'm so cool and pretty.
Nobody wants to punch me in the face.
whitney cummings
I want to do a joke that I couldn't do.
I was going to maybe do it on a talk show, but remember when the prison inmates were being released?
Yeah, for COVID. And I want to do something about, like, imagine the warden giving that speech of, like, telling the prison inmates that they were about to be released and being like, hey guys, a couple things changed.
You now have to wear masks at all times.
Cover your faces at all times.
And the police have been defunded.
Go.
See you in a couple weeks.
annie lederman
I know it's such a good deal.
joe rogan
The one guy who got released and then murdered the woman who accused him of rape?
Because he got to wear a mask?
I don't even know if it's because he got a mask.
That's what he was going to do if he got out.
I don't know if he raped her.
I don't know what really happened, but he definitely murdered her.
annie lederman
Allegedly.
joe rogan
He was claiming that it was a false accusation and he got out of jail and murdered her.
Terrifying.
They're releasing violent criminals.
It's not just people in jail for coke.
whitney cummings
And they get to wear masks all day.
I mean, you look at these ring cameras, these security cameras, and I'm like, well, everyone's in a mask.
joe rogan
It's insane.
annie lederman
But I was thinking with the looting...
Don't you recognize people when you see their eyes?
I see people in masks and I go, it's weird how much I can recognize someone just from this part of their face.
So I was always like, it would be so embarrassing to get caught.
I'm walking in with an Apple Watch and they're like, is that?
joe rogan
That's how Jake Paul got caught.
Jake Paul got caught on a camera.
annie lederman
His own camera.
joe rogan
Was it his camera?
annie lederman
He vlogged it.
unidentified
No.
joe rogan
Did he really?
annie lederman
It was his brother, I think.
whitney cummings
He's wild, dude.
That dude is so wild.
Did you see the mayor shut down that TikTok house that wouldn't stop partying?
joe rogan
Did they definitely shut it down?
They say they authorized it, but did they pull the electricity?
whitney cummings
Pull the electricity, yeah.
joe rogan
That is a weird thing to do.
Look, I'm not saying that they shouldn't tell these people they shouldn't have parties and spread it all over the place because they definitely are spreading it.
Like Dr. Malkin, one of the guys that treated us, treated more than 100 people that went to that party.
And I think somewhere in the neighborhood of almost half of them had COVID. Jesus.
These people are going to these giant parties and there's sick people at the party and you're drinking and you're 20 and you don't know what the fuck you're doing.
whitney cummings
Sharing.
unidentified
Yeah.
joe rogan
24 years old, hammered.
annie lederman
And then you're going back to your families and stuff.
unidentified
Exactly.
joe rogan
And grandpa dies.
whitney cummings
And grandma dies.
annie lederman
My dad's 79. I want to see my dad so badly as in Philly.
whitney cummings
He doesn't want to see you, though.
annie lederman
No, but honestly, he really is.
Whitney, it's so sad.
He's like, nope.
And I was like, no, but what if I camped?
I was like, I'll drive out.
I'll camp.
I'll like...
I'll get tested before or whatever.
And he's like, no.
He's like, because he's just so, he just doesn't want it.
He doesn't want it.
And I'm so happy he's like that.
But I'm like, but dad, can I hang out with you?
whitney cummings
Our podcast wouldn't be calling your daddy.
We called our daddies.
They didn't pick up.
annie lederman
Daddies aren't answering.
joe rogan
Daddy didn't do a good job.
whitney cummings
Daddy will return our calls.
joe rogan
Can you imagine if you had a podcast called Daddy Didn't Do a Good Job?
annie lederman
I love my dad so much, but he's like, well, bring me up today.
My dad goes, bring me up today.
I go, are you sure you want me to?
He goes, oh, well, maybe not.
whitney cummings
I mean, I honestly, I'm now at a point where I'm so grateful at all the mistakes my parents made because it's made me, like, I am equipped in so many ways that so many of my friends that had good childhoods aren't, and I can just, like, sort shit out.
Like, adversity was so good for me.
annie lederman
How boring would a comfortable life be?
whitney cummings
The most fucked up people I know have married parents.
They have all these fucked up expectations.
annie lederman
My parents are married.
Shit was bad when I was a kid.
They're now, I was looking at it like this, like, now, even though everything was fucked up and I possibly could have been sold into sex forever, You got really close.
Yeah, I was very close.
whitney cummings
You wouldn't go for that.
joe rogan
The story about you hiding under the car?
Like, holy shit.
annie lederman
That's like one of the good ones.
That's a baby one.
whitney cummings
Now you're just bragging.
I went to an Epstein high school.
annie lederman
My high school, literally, they all fucked us.
Like, all the teachers.
It just came out, another teacher got caught with kiddie porn.
It was a school with, my graduate class was 17 kids.
Like, there were seven teachers, like, come on.
whitney cummings
My drama teacher gave one of the students AIDS. I found that out later.
annie lederman
Wow, this is Bond, Trauma Bond.
joe rogan
This is Trauma Bond.
Maybe that's what you guys call it.
whitney cummings
Trauma Bond.
annie lederman
Trauma Bond.
unidentified
Dude, that's actually a fucking dope title for a podcast.
I love it.
joe rogan
Trauma Bond.
annie lederman
Trauma Bond is pretty good.
But with my parents, I always think like...
They're good now.
Who cares about the past?
They're so loving and sweet and awesome that it's like, I don't care.
joe rogan
People make mistakes.
annie lederman
Exactly.
whitney cummings
They did the best they came with the tools they had.
joe rogan
My mom had me when she was 21. She didn't know what the fuck she was doing.
unidentified
She was drunk.
annie lederman
It was her birthday.
She gave her shots.
joe rogan
There's no way you're going to do a good job as a parent when you're 21. I mean, it's just so hard.
annie lederman
What's your dad's itch?
joe rogan
I don't know my dad.
annie lederman
He didn't come out of the woodworks when it was like, oh shit.
joe rogan
I haven't spoken to him since I was seven years old.
whitney cummings
Does he know you're you?
joe rogan
Yeah, I have the same name as him.
He's Joe Rogan.
annie lederman
You're a junior?
joe rogan
No.
I have a middle name.
whitney cummings
He hasn't reached out to try to get a cut of all this?
joe rogan
No.
annie lederman
You got your smarts from your mom, I guess.
whitney cummings
Do you think he's alive?
joe rogan
Oh yeah, he's alive.
My mom's smart.
My mom's family is very smart.
They're very intense people.
annie lederman
I can tell.
whitney cummings
What's your lineage?
joe rogan
Mostly Italian.
A little bit of Irish.
My biological dad's father was from Ireland.
Everybody's from Europe.
My parents on both sides, all the family was all first-generation immigrants.
annie lederman
Do you like Ireland?
joe rogan
I've never been.
Oh, you've got to go.
No, that's not true.
I've been to Dublin for UFC, and I was in Belfast.
I was in Northern Ireland as well for UFC. Ireland's so cool.
whitney cummings
It seems like you feel more of a calling to Italy.
joe rogan
Well, that's the family I knew.
I'm certainly some sort of a European mutt with Italian and there's some African.
I got some African in there and a small amount of Asian.
annie lederman
We heard you had a little African.
whitney cummings
I don't know what that means, but I am shocked we haven't gotten cancelled yet.
joe rogan
But it just happened.
It's mostly Italian and Irish.
But if you look at some people, like, wasn't Conan O'Brien, they found out he was 100% Irish?
They've never seen anything like this?
Have you seen him?
annie lederman
I could have told him after just looking at him.
It really makes sense.
joe rogan
It's interesting when you find out where your ancestors came from.
I have 1% Asian.
I'm like, where's that?
Where'd that come from?
annie lederman
The eyes are very...
joe rogan
That's just getting old.
Genghis Khan had...
That guy fucked so many people.
He had some preposterous amount of DNA in Asia.
whitney cummings
Isn't it like 20% of people are descendants of his or something?
joe rogan
Something wacky like that.
whitney cummings
Like insanity.
joe rogan
Have you ever seen or read, listened to Dan Carlin's Hardcore History?
whitney cummings
Yes.
joe rogan
It's an amazing podcast.
unidentified
Love him.
joe rogan
And he had a whole series called The Wrath of the Khan on Genghis Khan, and it fucking blew me away.
The guy killed 10% of the population of the planet Earth while he was alive.
He's killing more people than COVID. It translates to 0.5% of the male population of the world, or roughly 16 million descendants living today.
whitney cummings
And how many of those descendants have fucked each other?
joe rogan
Nearly 8% of the men living in the region of the former Mongol Emperor carry the Y chromosomes that are nearly identical to him.
That means 8% of the fucking people today that live in that region have his genes.
That's how many people that guy fucked.
whitney cummings
That is bananas.
annie lederman
They should have done that on Fear Factor.
You have to swallow his cum?
This is really old cum.
joe rogan
It's like kimchi.
They bury it in the ground in a clay jar.
whitney cummings
I wonder, because my ancestry is Scotch-Irish came through West Virginia coal miners, and there were a lot of Italian coal miners, actually.
joe rogan
Yeah, well, people did what they had to do back then.
annie lederman
Maybe you guys are cousins.
joe rogan
That's the thing about our world today.
The jobs that suck today, they still suck.
There still are people that coal mine.
But it's not what most people are doing when they come over.
It's the whole scratch and claw that the immigrants had, that my grandparents had.
Those people that came here straight off the boat.
That's why New Jersey and New York is so hostile.
The echoes of those people are still there.
annie lederman
I thought it was because Joey was coming back.
They were like, oh no, we're going to get kidnapped.
whitney cummings
That ancestral trauma.
joe rogan
Yeah, and that's how we used to have this bit about California that everybody got as far as they could and went, fuck, I don't want to live in Hawaii.
annie lederman
Yeah.
joe rogan
They just stayed right here.
It's like they're trying to get away from everything that was on the East Coast.
whitney cummings
There's something so specific about the personality type here.
There's something just bitch in the DNA of this area.
joe rogan
Well, it's people want attention.
They want attention really, really badly, and if they don't get it, they think someone's doing them wrong.
whitney cummings
It's a very sensitive culture.
And I mean, I guess it's a lot of people that come out here to pretend for a living.
Very emotional people.
joe rogan
Well, a lot of that.
And you're coming out here, even if it's not to pretend, you're coming out here to get famous.
annie lederman
Well, I just feel like if you do get famous, like a certain type of famous, you've now come into this club where they're like...
Alright, you're no longer going to be exactly who you are.
And especially with actors, I feel like.
Your job is to play someone else.
They go, you're not going to have any personal opinions.
You're going to keep our secrets.
You're a puppet.
Get these kids' adrenaline up.
We're going to take their blood.
Whatever they do.
But you know what?
It does feel like you are agreeing to be a part of it.
They go, alright, we're going to let you in.
But you have to not embarrass us.
You have to keep it.
whitney cummings
Yeah, that's really interesting.
And it's interesting because I'm seeing so many actors now that are becoming activists.
And I'm like, is that just because you played a doctor on TV? You think you can now be a doctor?
annie lederman
Well, no.
It's what they're doing.
joe rogan
They're not getting any attention.
annie lederman
Right.
joe rogan
The attention's dried up.
There's no sets.
You can't go to the set.
So there's no movies.
There's no TV shows.
So what do they do?
They panic and they make these black and white videos about how they're going to take responsibility.
And they're not going to allow racism anymore.
annie lederman
And they're doing it so actor-y.
They're doing it in character.
whitney cummings
It's so disgusting.
joe rogan
It's so fake.
whitney cummings
I'm going to act like I care about this.
I'm going to act like I... It's so prepared.
joe rogan
It's so gross.
whitney cummings
I guess that's what they do.
I know.
I'm seeing all these celebrities pose with Kamala Harris.
I'm like, you know that's going to do the opposite of what you think.
It's going to make America hate her.
joe rogan
It's going to make America realize that the con is on.
You're a part of it.
annie lederman
Well, I just remember with Hillary, everyone's like, vote for Hillary or you're an idiot.
Exactly.
joe rogan
You're making me want to vote for Trump.
whitney cummings
You know what Joey told me about you that I forgot to ask you last time I was here?
joe rogan
What?
whitney cummings
Did you have piranhas at some point?
joe rogan
Yes.
What was that?
I'm a problem.
annie lederman
That's how alpha you are?
joe rogan
I need murderous fish.
I'll do you one better.
At one point in time, I had an outdoor courtyard at my house, and I was seriously considering glassing it in and getting some crocodile monitors and feeding them rabbits.
I had this whole plan, and I talked to an architect.
annie lederman
And they said, just move to Florida.
joe rogan
I was gonna glass in like this terrarium in the middle of my house and I was gonna put tropical plants in there and like have sprinklers so it sprays water and keeps them in a good healthy environment and I was gonna let Wild Kingdom take place in my backyard but they told me there's a real problem with the rotting of the carcasses like if you feed rabbits to these things they shit and then you got to clean it up and you can't really go in there so you'd have to hire someone to come in and like rustle the fucking Monitors.
Because they're big.
Have you ever seen a crocodile monitor?
It's a terrifying looking creature.
unidentified
Wow.
joe rogan
I had this idea.
annie lederman
I thought it was like a monitor to watch the crocodile.
whitney cummings
So did I. No, no, no.
joe rogan
It's a very large, scary lizard.
And it's because I had the piranhas and I would buy the goldfish.
annie lederman
Please stop talking about Tim Dillon.
That's not nice.
whitney cummings
So you had like a piranha guy who was like, hey, I have some crocodiles for you.
joe rogan
But that's not a real good picture of him.
That's it.
That's it right there.
That one, the yellow one in the middle.
whitney cummings
Those are dinosaurs.
unidentified
Yeah, yeah.
joe rogan
And they get fucking big.
They get big, like six feet long.
whitney cummings
And they can kill you?
joe rogan
I mean, it's not going to be a fun wrestling match.
whitney cummings
They'll take a bite out of your cat.
joe rogan
They're going to clamp down on you.
annie lederman
I went to Runyon one day and there was this guy with like a...
It was a smaller one.
It was like this big and it was yellow.
I don't know.
What is it?
Maybe one of the little dragons?
joe rogan
Look at that lady that's holding that one on the top.
annie lederman
I was playing with it like that and then someone was like...
I saw later at the comedy store was like, you know that those could bite your face off.
joe rogan
They do bite people sometimes.
annie lederman
They can, like, take your nose off.
joe rogan
You can't predict what a large lizard is going to decide it doesn't like.
annie lederman
Look at that eye.
whitney cummings
It seems fucking cool, though.
That looks like a T-Rex eye.
Look at that.
It looks like a dinosaur.
joe rogan
It's a goddamn raptor.
annie lederman
He's gripping you like Mike Binder did during that.
whitney cummings
I don't know when I became like the person that you touch when you want to say something offensive.
annie lederman
It was one of the funniest things I've ever seen.
joe rogan
It's like I'm safe.
whitney cummings
Don't suck me into this.
annie lederman
You fucked up and moved seats.
whitney cummings
What's that?
annie lederman
You fucked up and moved seats and then you were the closest one.
whitney cummings
I don't know.
Well, I thought Rogan should be in the middle.
joe rogan
You guys should have a TikTok house together.
unidentified
Yeah.
joe rogan
Have Garcetti come and shut your house down.
annie lederman
We just do it without electricity.
We're like, fuck this.
We're going to live without electricity.
joe rogan
Whitney, you could do that.
You could have a TikTok house.
whitney cummings
Dude, I would fucking do that.
I've kind of been doing this in the quarantine.
You're like, Whitney, you have money.
annie lederman
You can have her rent a place.
whitney cummings
I've kind of been doing that in the quarantine.
Tim Dillon's been staying with me.
Esther, I make Annie come over.
I want to start a coven of comics.
joe rogan
Yes!
Well, I mean, like we're saying, that's what we miss the most, is hanging out.
annie lederman
We want it to be a harem.
We're all trying to finger you, aren't we?
I can't speak for Esther, but I can.
whitney cummings
Just don't pee on me and we're good.
I do.
I started a podcast in my house.
I have a podcast studio.
We could do it out of my podcast studio in my house.
annie lederman
I have a podcast studio too at the kitchen.
whitney cummings
It is my goal to make Annie rich as fuck and just watch you go completely insane.
annie lederman
I love it.
joe rogan
I think she'll handle it.
whitney cummings
You think she'll be okay being rich?
joe rogan
Yep.
annie lederman
Yeah, I think so, too.
whitney cummings
I feel like you're going to give it all to your ex-boyfriends anyway.
You're going to stay poor.
annie lederman
No, I've actually stopped doing that.
I've actually stopped paying for money.
I've gone broke.
Rogan, this was when you used to give me $100 bills.
We were in the parking lot, and I go, I'm standing next to Rogan, right?
And I'm like, we're friends.
We do the same thing.
Obviously, he's been doing it longer than me and everything, but we do the same thing.
We're parked in the same parking lot.
I go, Rogan, Can you teach me how to be rich?
Because I live in that car, and that's like one of your 60 cars or something, and you started laughing in my face.
You pulled out a lot of money and you go, this means nothing to me.
You handed me $300 bills.
whitney cummings
I tried to give you money once, but I thought it would have weirded out our relationship.
joe rogan
I gave her money every time I saw her.
annie lederman
He would slap me, high five, but then it got weird because I thought you thought I was showing up to get money from you.
unidentified
No.
annie lederman
Did you really?
I was worried you were going to think that.
joe rogan
Oh no, I never thought that.
It was fun.
It was a fun little gag we would do.
annie lederman
This is the funniest bit ever.
We should do it more, like a million.
But it gets funnier than more money it is.
But you told me, too, you were like, if I handle the people that are...
Because I love watching you get attacked by fans.
When they approach, because I see them getting nervous, you can see them, too, probably from fighting.
whitney cummings
It makes me so uncomfortable.
annie lederman
And I see them coming, and I watch you, you're being cool, you're being cool, and you're very nice, you're fan-friendly, but they're just having such a moment they can't get over themselves, they're freaking out.
So I told you that, and you go, I'll pay you $100 to get people away that you know I want to get away.
But then I started body checking people, and you're like, that's my friend!
And I was like, oh shit!
Rogan, I'm hungry!
unidentified
I'm hungry!
annie lederman
I was like, boom!
whitney cummings
Elbowing Brandon Shaw in the face.
Dude, when someone comes up to Rogan, you see them circling like a fucking barracuda.
You're talking to Rogan, you see just people circling.
For some reason, they always want to show you a video.
annie lederman
No, they're unfolding a paper.
They're like...
whitney cummings
They always have something queued up for you to watch.
Like, yo, I gotta show you something.
But you handle it really well.
You do it without hurting their feelings.
annie lederman
Yeah, you're so nice.
joe rogan
I try.
whitney cummings
You do this Jedi Minds trick where you're like, no thanks man.
joe rogan
I try to be very nice.
But it's an odd thing.
But like I said, it's odd when I meet people.
When I met Bourdain, one of the first things I said was, my wife says you're my boyfriend.
That was the first thing I said.
annie lederman
Oh, that's so funny.
joe rogan
She's like, you're going to meet your boyfriend?
She thinks she's being funny.
And I said it to him and he's like, what?
I'm like, oh.
whitney cummings
Sorry.
joe rogan
You're not a comic.
You're a guy with a thumb ring.
whitney cummings
He's so sexy, dude.
joe rogan
He was a great, great guy.
He's so fun to hang around with.
I really enjoy that guy.
annie lederman
Did you read that article I sent you?
That girl Leah McSweeney wrote?
joe rogan
I started, and I was like, ugh.
annie lederman
What was it?
Was it upsetting?
joe rogan
Yeah.
annie lederman
About what?
whitney cummings
About Bourdain?
annie lederman
She was just talking about the toxic...
Was it before he had died, or was it after he died?
I don't know.
She was writing about toxic femininity during the Me Too movement, which was like a breath of fresh air.
Thank you.
But she was talking about Asi Argenta and Rose McGowan and the stuff with Anthony Bourdain and how fucked up it was.
But she's cool.
She's on the New York Housewives now for some reason.
unidentified
Yeah, I know her.
whitney cummings
Yeah, yeah, yeah.
annie lederman
It's a really good article.
joe rogan
There's toxic people.
That's the problem.
If you get into this whole believe all women thing or believe all men thing or believe all trans people, believe all anybody, you're going to run into people that are juking the system.
You're gonna run into toxic people.
whitney cummings
And the people that say, believe all this person are the same people.
That's crazy.
It's also the same people that go, you can't generalize about all people.
And it's like, well, which is it?
joe rogan
Well, they're trying to rope you into complicity.
You have to comply.
And if they're saying, believe all anything, you must comply.
annie lederman
Yeah.
joe rogan
That's what they're doing.
They're playing a game with you and it's not a rational one.
unidentified
No.
joe rogan
It's not a, I've thought this through and this is the best way as a sensitive, nuanced person we should approach this.
We should look at it with an open mind.
unidentified
Yeah.
joe rogan
They're not saying that.
They believe all anything.
annie lederman
Believe all anything is crazy.
It's disrespectful to like real victims.
It's like...
whitney cummings
Yeah.
annie lederman
I always hated the hashtag.
I always would joke.
I go, the Me Too movement, the hashtag bothered me because it's like, here's like, I had a girl who I got in a fight with who her argument was, she goes, you don't understand what the Me Too movement was.
I'm the only one in this group of girlfriends that has actually had actual assault happen, you know, and sat in court and stuff and like really handled my predator.
whitney cummings
Now you're just bragging about how pretty you are.
We get it.
Guys want to assault you.
annie lederman
I am so hot.
I've been hot since I was little.
I know to rock a diaper.
whitney cummings
They're willing to break the law to touch you.
unidentified
We get it.
annie lederman
But I did do the right thing, you know?
So it was like, I do think I have a good perspective on this stuff.
And she goes, that's not what we're fighting for.
The Me Too movement is about, why when I go to the comedy club, do the male comics kiss me on the cheek and not the other guys?
And I'm like, what?
So that's this.
This is what I said.
This is this part of the hashtag.
And then it's like real rapes.
Or no, wait, this is real rapes.
And then this is like that part, right?
And then they're like trying to go like, give me some of that sweet real rape.
I want some of that real rape.
Give me some of that attention.
Trying to get the like...
You can't group it all together.
unidentified
It's not the same.
joe rogan
You can't group a comic not kissing his friends on the cheek but kissing you on the cheek.
annie lederman
But also use your words and tell the person you don't want them to kiss you on the cheek.
It's not the same as getting molested or raved.
joe rogan
We all know some people we can hug each other.
We hug each other.
Some people I don't hug.
I don't know them that well.
I don't hug them.
But if I hug you it's because I love you.
That's why I'm hugging you.
whitney cummings
But it's everything's context.
It's like, I've never felt weird around Joe Rogan, hugs, cool, and then someone holds on too long.
joe rogan
You're like, yikes.
Or they squeeze your back or something.
whitney cummings
Yeah, or put it on your lower back or touch your neck or something.
annie lederman
Oh my god, there's this one girl at the comedy store.
I don't want to say any distinguishing features because I don't want you to...
I don't want to...
I don't like being...
You can't...
Right now, you can't just say a little shitty thing someone did because they'll be canceled.
whitney cummings
But here's what I'll say.
annie lederman
It's like calling the cops on a block.
You can't do it anymore.
We're gonna get...
They're gonna get killed.
I can't be like, oh, it was so funny when that one comic grabbed my ass.
You can't say anything like that.
whitney cummings
It's interesting because when I do, I always add context and go, you don't get to decide what my experience with that person was.
If someone smacked my ass and I thought it was funny, I get to decide that.
You don't get to decide how it affected me.
This self-righteous indignation and this forcing me to have the experience you want me to have just so we can get in some adrenaline junkie Twitter fight, you don't get to decide how it affected me.
So it's like, women, use your voices and speak up.
But if you say something I don't like...
joe rogan
So you get blowback because you're slowing the progress of outrage.
You hit the brakes on outrage because you're like, I'm not outraged.
You should be outraged.
We could use you.
You could be a part of the outrage puddle.
whitney cummings
I'm outraged about a lot of things, but I'm not going to lie and pretend I'm outraged about things that I'm not outraged about.
joe rogan
That's the thing.
You're allowed to have your own interpretation of any experience.
If you have a bunch of friends and all of you run up and smack each other in the ass when you see each other, Right.
That's the thing you guys have decided is okay.
annie lederman
And if you stop liking it, go, I don't like that anymore.
unidentified
Right.
joe rogan
And if someone does it and then you say they don't like it, they should apologize and they should never do it again.
And you say, I'm sorry.
I thought we were doing that.
annie lederman
I'm so sad that like apologies don't work anymore.
I'm actually doing, I'm doing like a limited series podcast with Bonnie McFarlane about it called Cancel Us Next Tuesday, son.
whitney cummings
So it's cunts.
annie lederman
Which, by the way, please be on it.
But we're canceling different things each time.
I want you to do the cancel romance, because everything's molesting in romance now.
whitney cummings
I was dating a guy who was 30, and he said, can I take off your bra?
Can I kiss you?
And I was just like, I don't know, can you?
unidentified
Can you, bitch?
whitney cummings
I think I'm too old to even understand this new dynamic.
annie lederman
Well, it's also like a teacher, when you're like, can I go to the bathroom?
They're like, you mean may I? At least say it right.
It's really weird.
I think the new sex sound instead of slurping and suctioning is going to be two body cameras just clinking against each other.
We all need to record on both sides.
What the fuck's going on?
joe rogan
You have to set up a camera in the room.
unidentified
You have to illegally film people pretty much.
joe rogan
Everyone has to do porn.
annie lederman
Listen, next time I punch my cervix with my own hand, there will be cameras everywhere.
joe rogan
I think that was her sternum.
whitney cummings
I was in Houston like a year and a half ago when I was running like a new hour that a lot of it was about the Me Too stuff, you know, trying to keep it in context.
Like a lot of this stuff shouldn't be reduced to a tweet or a fucking op-ed or whatever.
So I was trying to really like dimensionalize it.
And I'm in Houston and I go on stage and I'm sort of like arguing both sides, which is what comics...
We play devil's advocate.
And I said something about like a guy that had smacked my ass in work or something.
And I was like, yeah, that shouldn't have happened.
That was sort of my take on it.
And this woman in the front row just went...
Girl, take the compliment and move on.
And I'm just being like, people have different takes on this.
joe rogan
Some people do.
annie lederman
But also, that is a little bit true.
Like, okay, so I've been walking, trying to walk five miles a day, just thinking and going through shit and coming up with ideas.
And I was walking with, like, my fanny pack.
I'm sweating.
I look like shit.
You guys see, like, the crazy sunglasses I wear.
Like, the least hot thing in the world.
And I get this beep from this, like, beat-up Corolla, you know, from, like, the 80s.
And this guy, like, rolls up and he's just whacking his dick.
And it's like...
It's barely hard.
whitney cummings
You will not stop bragging on this podcast.
annie lederman
But I'm saying, you're hot.
whitney cummings
We get it.
annie lederman
No, even when I'm ugly, I'm hot.
whitney cummings
Men just can't help themselves.
annie lederman
I had so many, a range of emotions because then he had like a baby seat in the back and I was like, what's going on here?
But then like, so I was just thinking, I was like, I went through this range of emotions and then I was like, you know, one day I will miss this.
I do think...
For real?
I'll be like...
I've got good news.
joe rogan
There's a lot of guys who do that to old ladies, too.
unidentified
Oh my god, thank you!
whitney cummings
I'll be hot forever!
There are times guys have done something like that, like, grab me in a way that ostensibly seems really weird and it hasn't made me feel uncomfortable.
There are times someone will come to the comedy store, say absolutely nothing, look at me a certain way, and I'm like, something's off about that fucking guy.
annie lederman
You're banned.
whitney cummings
You know?
annie lederman
You're off the wall.
joe rogan
You're allowed to have that.
And guys are allowed to have that too.
Like there's some women that you'll be around and you're like, I gotta get the fuck away from this person.
whitney cummings
There's something off about this person.
unidentified
Yeah.
joe rogan
Or they'll grab you.
Or how about Bill Burr's bit that he had in his last special, Paper Tiger, about a comic who's a very prominent feminist comic who slapped him in the dick as he was going onto the stage.
whitney cummings
They were swapping positions and he was going on the stage and she was coming off and she slaps his And all these, there are so many, I'm trying to, like, really, for my next special, work on, like, the way that we're sexist towards men, because it's just, no one talks about that.
I had that, your Andrew Huberman on my podcast the other day.
joe rogan
He's amazing.
whitney cummings
Brilliant neuroscientist who's, like, working on this thing for your eyes and all this stuff, and he comes on, and, like, he's on my podcast, and I'm like, God, you're so hot.
You're hot.
And I realized...
If this was reversed, if a podcast host had a female scientist on and was like, you're hot, you're sexy, you're hot for a scientist, they wouldn't go to jail.
annie lederman
No, I should be, I'm sure, I honestly, I think under these guidelines, I have raped.
I'm sorry.
joe rogan
Okay, but here's the difference.
unidentified
Thank you for interrupting, right when I was going to explain it.
joe rogan
Huberman's a gorilla.
He's a big dude.
He's a big 230-pound man.
He can't say that to you that way.
If he was the comedian and you were the scientist, it would be threatening to you.
You're not threatening him by saying he's hot.
It's just a compliment.
unidentified
It's so rude.
annie lederman
You don't know what she can manipulate.
She could really ruin him.
whitney cummings
But it was, you know, because he looks like a neurologist in a Marvel movie.
unidentified
Right.
Exactly.
whitney cummings
Like he looks like who you would cast in a Marvel movie.
annie lederman
Like he's going to tear his, like, scientist thing off at the end.
unidentified
Literally.
joe rogan
He's got a thick-ass neck.
He's a big brawny dude.
whitney cummings
He's a guy you would see in a Marvel movie who would play a scientist.
You'd be like, that's not a fucking scientist.
annie lederman
I'm getting a lop, guys.
Stop.
whitney cummings
But there are times where I feel like I get away with shit that a guy would never fucking get away.
And I'm like, that's not fair.
joe rogan
But it is fair.
That's the dynamic, because there's no threat from you.
That's why you can get away with it.
If you said something crazy to me, I'd be like, Whitney, what the fuck are you talking about?
It would never be like, oh, Jesus, now I have to be scared to be alone with her.
A woman has to be scared to be alone with a guy.
annie lederman
But I think what happens, too, is there's the power thing comes into it, too.
And then you're like, so is it social power, political power, career power?
Listen, we know.
joe rogan
We know girls who have forced guys into having sex with them, girls who are in power, who force guys who are working for them to have sex with them.
annie lederman
Yes, we do.
joe rogan
We do know them.
annie lederman
We know them.
joe rogan
We know them.
But we don't give a fuck.
unidentified
I'm just preparing to dive under this table at any moment.
joe rogan
We don't have to say any names, but it doesn't mean anything.
annie lederman
It's Benton, and he's very upset with you, Whitney.
joe rogan
We don't care, right?
We don't care.
But if it was the other way around, it would be a real hard...
annie lederman
But if they do care, if they do care, I care.
Like, if they feel victimized by it, I do care.
whitney cummings
Yeah, that's true.
annie lederman
I'm for the victim, it's not a gender thing.
Like, if they do feel like, fuck, I thought I wasn't gonna...
joe rogan
But here's the thing, if a guy's like, Jesus, I can't believe I'm doing this, this is so disgusting, but I need this job, and he does it, we laugh.
I would be like, ah!
You did what?
No, you didn't.
unidentified
Ah!
annie lederman
It's funny.
whitney cummings
And I think a lot of people get caught in the sort of logistics of like, well, would you be able to get a boner if you didn't want to do it?
annie lederman
Right.
whitney cummings
Do you know what I mean?
annie lederman
Oh, yeah, yeah, yeah.
whitney cummings
And then we're not believing men.
We're doing the same thing.
joe rogan
That's a good point.
whitney cummings
You know?
joe rogan
It is a legitimate good point.
It is a good point.
whitney cummings
Can you, as a man, get raped?
Without getting a boner.
annie lederman
If it's just mental to drink the cum of whatever animal that was, then it's just mental to not be able to get raped with a boner?
joe rogan
You can certainly make an argument that if a man gets an erection that he's enjoying it.
But here's the thing.
Can a woman force you into doing something and then you start enjoying it so you go along with it?
But the beginning part was force.
whitney cummings
Yeah.
unidentified
Right?
joe rogan
So is it still okay?
It's a good question.
whitney cummings
That's a hard one.
joe rogan
That would be like an overly aggressive man, too.
If a woman's saying no, no, no, and then she starts liking it, is that rape?
Because it kind of is, especially if you've got a good editor.
annie lederman
It's so hard because four years ago, we know from comics what the hot topics were, and it was fucking Fifty Shades of Grey, where we literally were going, We were going, when we say no, we mean yes.
That was literally like...
whitney cummings
If you have a helicopter and you're a billionaire.
annie lederman
Oh, I thought a Honda and a bag of Funyuns?
No?
joe rogan
It's another great bit that Burr has, where he goes, no always means no.
He's like, no, it doesn't.
Sometimes like, no, stop.
annie lederman
No, stop.
joe rogan
That's true.
But on paper, it's not.
If you look at it in quotes, it's like, okay, that's not cool.
annie lederman
Do you know about the consent condoms?
I was working on a bit about this before.
They have consent condoms?
unidentified
No.
I'm allergic to not having fun!
whitney cummings
By the way, I didn't realize until I was like 28, I thought it was a fact that guys could be allergic to latex.
joe rogan
Oh, that is hilarious.
annie lederman
No, my balls drop.
It is real.
You can be allergic to one.
whitney cummings
Because guys would use that as an excuse to not use a condom.
joe rogan
You're in the wrong dating pool.
These guys are all allergic to shit.
annie lederman
Okay, wait.
So...
whitney cummings
Consent condoms.
annie lederman
The condoms are, you have to have four hands on it to open the condom.
whitney cummings
Oh my god.
annie lederman
Which, by the way, if you're raping, there's probably not a condom involved.
But the joke I was trying to work on is you have to put all your hands on it like a Ouija board.
joe rogan
Do you love me?
annie lederman
And just put it into the trash because nobody's using condoms.
unidentified
Come on.
annie lederman
Let's make condoms harder to use.
Let's put another barrier between condoms.
whitney cummings
I don't think I've ever gotten involved in that.
I'm always just like, you handle that.
I don't know what's going on.
annie lederman
But people got mad.
There was outrage when the condoms came out because they went, that's ableist because if people don't have hands, they can't put their hands on.
And my point was, if you don't have hands, aren't you just fist fucking anyway?
Aren't you like wrist fucking them?
You're like stub fucking?
joe rogan
We're playing a game of Jeopardy with outrage, just looking for things to be pissed about.
If you're really so pissed that you need four hands to open up this condom because you only have one hand, or someone out there only has one hand, that's a crazy thing to get upset about.
annie lederman
Also get a friend.
They'll lend you a hand.
whitney cummings
Call your mom.
It's on us to stop taking the outrage seriously.
annie lederman
We have to just ignore it.
whitney cummings
We have to ignore it.
It's not that big of a deal.
joe rogan
But it's a game.
Find a thing that you can be upset about.
Find it.
You don't have to actually be upset.
whitney cummings
I got in trouble, and I'm exaggerating.
It wasn't that bad, but I said basket case.
Basket case.
joe rogan
Basket case.
whitney cummings
Basket case refers to soldiers in World War I that had all of their limbs removed.
They could fit in a basket.
They'd call them a basket case.
I said something where I was like, if you insult yourself, it's a self-deprecating thing.
I'm saying, I'm crazy.
I'm a basket case.
And they're like, you're offending World War I soldiers.
No, I'm offending myself.
joe rogan
First of all, they're all dead.
whitney cummings
I think they're fine.
annie lederman
Remember when Natasha got in trouble?
whitney cummings
Four.
annie lederman
She was saying something, it was Veterans Day or something, and it was about, she's made some, like, it was like SpaghettiOs or something.
She's like, yeah, the only thing they can eat or something, that they can eat without teeth or something.
And it was like, people are like, how dare you?
And it's like, but they are elderly.
And it's not, she's just making a joke.
And then she didn't, she put out an apology that wasn't an apology and was very good.
whitney cummings
Yeah, I mean, we need sports back.
annie lederman
It was really good.
whitney cummings
We need sports.
I think this is what happens when sports goes away.
joe rogan
How about this is what happens when everything's gone away?
This is like the vibration of the country is a different vibration.
unidentified
This was already happening, though.
joe rogan
It was already happening, but this accentuated it in a big way.
The vibration's so off.
Did you read James Altucher, the guy who, he's one of the owners of Stand Up New York.
Did you read the article that he wrote about New York?
He's like, New York City is dead forever and it's not coming back.
And it's fucking terrifying.
And it's true.
And it's accurate.
And I think that's the same with L.A., and I think it's the same with a lot of people.
And people are on fucking tilt right now.
annie lederman
So everything makes them upset.
But Austin's so cool.
whitney cummings
Dude, Austin's dope.
But do you think that the sort of modern-day coliseum is Twitter?
Like, we've always had this in us.
We've always wanted to watch people get torn apart, right?
joe rogan
No, I think it's a totally new thing.
It's not just watching people get torn apart.
It's the ability to participate.
annie lederman
It's like having stock and taking someone down.
joe rogan
You're getting addicted to this weird feedback loop that the book Irresistible talks about.
You're putting something out there and then you're reading the response and you're addicted to how many likes and retweets and shit you get.
whitney cummings
And I think you feel addicted to feeling part of something.
Like I helped take that person down.
I was a part of that.
unidentified
Exactly.
joe rogan
I'm an activist.
annie lederman
Oh, activists.
People have it in their bios now.
They're like, activists.
whitney cummings
What qualifies you as an activist?
joe rogan
They complain a lot.
They complain a lot and they try to get people canceled.
whitney cummings
We used to call that just like you're an obnoxious complainer.
annie lederman
You're the people like, do you like the environment?
You're like, oh fuck, of course I like the environment, but I gotta go to Whole Foods.
Leave me alone.
joe rogan
Actors don't get any attention anymore.
They become activists.
And this is a really common thing with the people that are just pure narcissists.
You see them supporting these fucking causes.
whitney cummings
But what are your qualifications?
What qualifies you?
annie lederman
I just feel like if you want to get the ultimate virtue signaling and the best way to be a good person...
Because I do believe all of this is a fear of death and people want to live on...
So they're like, if I do all this good stuff, when I die, all the news will talk about me and they'll celebrate my birthday or whatever.
And I'll live on forever.
But if you think about with...
Oh my god, I'm having an ADD moment.
What was I talking about?
whitney cummings
ADD? ADD? You were talking about cancel culture?
annie lederman
Cancel culture.
whitney cummings
Activism.
annie lederman
Activism.
The best way to do it is the way that George Michael did it, where he was underground amazing.
He was giving to these charities.
He was a silent philanthropist.
So then, if you really want that attention, which I'm not saying that's what he did, when he died, it came out that he was amazing.
And it wasn't the glory of being on this earth, everyone being like, wow, that's so amazing that you donated this much.
When people post their donations, it's so gross.
whitney cummings
He did it for the right reasons.
unidentified
Tax write-offs.
whitney cummings
He just was...
annie lederman
I'm not rich enough to understand these things.
whitney cummings
I think people don't understand when you see a celebrity give a huge tax donation, everyone's like, they're so amazing.
It's also a write-off for them.
They have to give a certain amount of charity a year.
annie lederman
I can't wait to learn about this stuff.
joe rogan
It's just so transparent and gross when you see people trying so hard to get people to think they're virtuous.
And that's what it is.
annie lederman
It's disgusting.
joe rogan
But when you see people do it that you know are pure narcissists, it's offensive.
annie lederman
But I felt like during Black Lives Matter, I was so conflicted because I did want to...
I was like, I don't want people to...
I am like for...
I want...
People to have equality, and I do believe there's systematic racism, or systemic, I said it wrong, uneducated.
Mom and dad, not mad at you anymore, but you did fucking send me to shitty schools.
No, but I do believe in that, but with the black square, I ended up posting it, and the reason I was so mad at myself is because I'll do the thing, but I always want there to be an element of jokes because I'm a comedian.
whitney cummings
Yeah.
annie lederman
So I realized after I posted it, what I should have done was repost Rachel Dolezal's black square.
And then it would have had like in the corner.
And I fucking missed that opportunity.
But people were like, your virtues.
And it's like, I just, I don't, I do want to let it be known that I'm willing to like lose followers over.
whitney cummings
But you have to also know what like their motive in doing it.
It's so clear when someone's doing it.
When Joan Rivers died, someone posted a thing that was like...
annie lederman
I'm going to miss Joan Rivers once she saw me perform and told me how amazing I was.
whitney cummings
How are you managing to make this death about you?
joe rogan
There's nothing grosser than when someone talks about how much someone who died loved them, thought they were awesome.
whitney cummings
Remember when Notre Dame was burning and everyone was posting photos of them at Notre Dame?
Bragging about, you know, you're just bragging about your chin.
None of them went in.
None of them waited in line to go in.
They were outside like, fuck that line.
I don't need to see the inside.
And then as soon as it caught on fire, everyone was like, this was me.
annie lederman
Well, during the protest, they were getting, people were canceling, like, the people taking selfies with the...
whitney cummings
Well, they were taking selfies and then going home and not actually protesting.
Because I was at one of the protests.
And people would come and take a picture and just dart out.
I was like, Jesus Christ.
annie lederman
I told Donnell, I was like, if you need my white body to jump in front of you, because they were showing videos of white girls going in front of black guys when the cops would come over to stand in front of them as a white shield.
I was like, Donnell, I'll stand in front, I'll use my white body in front of you, but only when the camera's on.
I just jump in front, get my photo op, and then I'm like, alright.
whitney cummings
So ridiculous.
But yeah, I think it's just like a matter of motives and it is so clear when someone's using it to advance their own agenda.
joe rogan
I think we're all addicted to attention.
annie lederman
I love attention.
joe rogan
Social media is the big attention fix and everybody's hooked on it.
whitney cummings
Imagine being on a soap opera and thinking someone wants your take.
Yeah.
Imagine being an actress.
joe rogan
I think they think it's a career move.
I really do.
I think when you want to support the right candidate or you want to support the right bill.
whitney cummings
Trump had zero celebrities.
Scott Baio.
So yeah, zero.
He had zero.
He had zero celebrities.
joe rogan
Kanye eventually.
annie lederman
Is he coming on?
joe rogan
I don't think so.
whitney cummings
The irony that celebrities think they're helping when in reality they're harming, the fact that they didn't go like, oh, this is why people hated Hillary a big part of it.
annie lederman
Well, look at how, that's why Ricky Gervais is so funny, like calling everyone out at the award ceremonies because they were all, they're all like, fuck Harvey Weinstein, time's up.
I'm like, your friend from last year?
joe rogan
Well, how many of them have videos of them thanking him at the Academy Awards?
That's what's crazy.
So many people thanking Harvey Weinstein.
annie lederman
How pissed is he?
He's so mad.
He's like, you fucking assholes.
joe rogan
But he probably was like, I never saw this coming.
And who would have ever thought that I could get taken down with all those videos of all those people.
Meryl Streep saying how amazing I am.
All these people saying how amazing he is.
Still got taken down.
whitney cummings
Remember how crazy that was?
I remember being at the Comedy Store when Ricky Gervais was doing that and I posted, oh, everyone's mad at Ricky Gervais, which probably means he told some jokes.
Like I tweeted that or something.
Ben Shapiro was tweeting it.
Candace Owens was.
All of a sudden I was alt-right because I was defending jokes.
annie lederman
He knows about this.
whitney cummings
Why are you alt-right if you're pro-comedy?
matthew yglesias
Because they're not being real.
joe rogan
They're not being honest.
They just want to box you into a corner and label you and then play this game to see how many people retweet it and where it goes and whether they can get you canceled.
No one wants nuance.
Well, no one.
I don't want it then.
unidentified
I'm generalizing.
Same thing.
whitney cummings
But that's a lot of what it is.
joe rogan
They just look at you as a target.
whitney cummings
I read somewhere that 22% of people are on Twitter, and of that, 2% generate 80% of the comments.
joe rogan
Yeah.
whitney cummings
So it's also such a small group.
joe rogan
And they're all mentally ill.
There's a lot of them are mentally ill.
Legitimately mentally ill.
Depressed, anxious, fucked up, checking their shit constantly.
whitney cummings
Addicted to adrenaline.
annie lederman
Literally on their bios it'll say, proud mental health advocate.
I always get someone that is like, you're a busted whore, and I always want to go to their page, and it's always like, proud father, and I'm How about when a girl who's so obviously a woman writes that she identifies as her she, and you're like, what?
Of course.
If it's a different thing, show me.
joe rogan
My favorite is they, them.
You write they, them on your bio.
I'm your friend.
I love it.
You're a they.
whitney cummings
It's a...
I mean, I think that we have to stop taking cancel calls.
Like, we have to stop giving it airtime.
You know what I mean?
We have to stop...
We can tell jokes.
annie lederman
Marina Franklin...
joe rogan
Mocking it is what's important.
whitney cummings
Yeah, no, I'm not talking about it like this, but I mean, I just like...
When everyone's like, we can't do jokes.
Yes, you can.
Fucking do them.
Just keep doing them.
annie lederman
Marina Franklin has a joke that I don't...
I'm going to butcher it, but it's something along...
Do you know her?
unidentified
Yeah, I love her.
annie lederman
Yeah, she's so funny.
Okay, so she goes...
She goes, I can't use people's correct pronouns because then I just sound like a slave.
If I'm like, they, that...
You know what I mean?
unidentified
Yeah.
whitney cummings
But when you get into a comedy club and start telling jokes, people want to laugh.
Other comics might not want to.
Journalists might not want to.
Justice warriors might not want to.
But the average person is not on Twitter every day attacking comedians.
joe rogan
People are trying to be offended.
That's what we were talking about earlier.
It's not that they're actually offended.
They're trying to be offended and it becomes a game.
Find things that are targets.
Is it actually offending you?
Is that what you're talking about?
Or have you found a valid target and now you're just going after it?
Because this is the game.
You sank my battleship.
They're playing a little weird game.
whitney cummings
Makes them feel important or something.
And then the most annoying fucking thing I get is whenever I laugh at an offensive joke and someone goes, you're enabling.
Like, oh, so I'm the problem?
unidentified
Right.
joe rogan
But you also got to realize, like, even invalid criticism, it's still valid.
Like, to that dummy, that's like a valid piece of criticism.
Like, we can't silence them either.
annie lederman
Right.
joe rogan
Because the whole thing is mocking them, right?
Like, mock it so you expose it for what you really think it is.
But they have to be able to do that, too, so we can figure out where the line really is.
unidentified
Yeah.
joe rogan
This is what a lot of people that are really super liberal don't understand, why they think it's a good idea to silence and de-platform conservative people.
It's a terrible idea, because then you don't develop the proper arguments for what they're developing.
The way these things are supposed to go is, someone says something like, you're an enabler, and you're like, shut the fuck up, and everybody's like, ah!
They laugh at you, and then that person looks like a moron, and then someone has a valid piece of criticism, and then the comic kind of looks like a dick, and then you figure out what we actually agree on instead of using buzzwords and using little things that people say to just find a target.
whitney cummings
We both have to exist for us both to exist.
joe rogan
That's the only way we figure it out, and a lot of those people are going to get out of that, and they're going to be your friend one day.
annie lederman
Like, you're not better than other people because you think a certain way.
There's so many people that are like, I'm right, obviously, and you're wrong, obviously.
And it's like, that's not how things work.
And with all the canceling, all the Twitter stuff, they're going down this line of which now we've given them with Twitter.
You're just giving people a transcript of all the shit you've said over the years.
But it's like, you're expected to have this perfect...
We're flawed humans.
That's how we learn.
That's how we grow.
It's through adversity.
We learn.
We fuck up.
We fail.
We get back up.
And there's no room for that anymore.
joe rogan
But it's also, here's the thing.
Why are you spending so much time complaining about other people all day?
I'll tell you why.
Because you're not healthy.
You're not doing smart things.
If I look at your Twitter timeline and I'm seeing tweets 12 hours a day, You're a crazy person.
You might not realize you're a crazy person.
whitney cummings
Do you think there'll be a day where we will look back and go, remember when anyone could get on Twitter at any time?
You think there's going to be like smoking, there's going to be restrictions?
joe rogan
I think Twitter is going to be like blockbuster video.
I think we're going to look back.
Remember when we used to communicate through Twitter?
Like, oh my god, it was so dumb.
unidentified
Toxic.
joe rogan
Everybody was so mean.
We're going to hit some new thing next that's going to allow people to read each other's minds or Elon Musk's Neuralink, which he's talking about, communicating with no words.
We're going to hit that, and it's going to make this seem like nonsense.
This is one of the things in that book, Irresistible.
There's no empathy in these conversations, and that's the big part of the problem.
It's like you don't see the people.
You don't feel their pain, so you can say horrible shit to them.
The vast majority of the way people are communicating, like a lot of people.
The vast majority of their communication is text messages and tweets, and none of it is person to person.
These kids are arguing with each other through text because they don't want to look at each other and talk like human beings, but that's the only way you develop and grow as a person.
annie lederman
Louie did a whole bit on one of the late shows before, obviously, the canceling.
But where he was talking about that, he's like, you need to see someone's feelings be hurt to realize that your words have a specific type of impact on people.
And then you decide, oh, I don't want to do that anymore.
But if you just are shooting these things out and they're going into this void...
joe rogan
And you get praised from them by other twats who are sitting at home by themselves.
unidentified
Yeah, yeah, cancel her!
Why?
annie lederman
They're so excited about it.
They love it.
joe rogan
Like little mobs.
whitney cummings
It's a drug.
I mean, it is a drug.
You do feel high.
And I got to say, it's like the same way when you drive by a car accident.
You're like, oh, I hope I see a severed body.
You know, you kind of like want to see some fucking shit.
Like when I see that someone, you know, they do these like so-and-so is over party, which is so fucked up when you think about it.
But I'm always like pure adrenaline and I can't help myself.
annie lederman
Oh my God.
A bunch of female comedians who are like...
Some that would probably say the Comedy Store sucks.
They did a retirement party for men.
There was all these comics that aren't past it.
Actual clubs.
Female comics.
unidentified
Yeah.
annie lederman
And they had like a banner and it was like, by men or whatever it was like two years ago.
I'm like, oh God.
whitney cummings
That sounds like a good use of their time.
annie lederman
Maybe write some fucking jokes.
Write some fucking jokes.
We'll let you in.
All we want is you to be fun.
Like, we'll let you in.
joe rogan
Super funny.
whitney cummings
Annie and I were, you know, bonding a lot over the break about sort of like, you know, No one's been meaner to us in this business than women.
No one wants to have that uncomfortable conversation.
It's not men versus women.
It's bad versus good.
Good men and good men versus bad women and bad men.
joe rogan
Again, it's like we live in generalizations.
We love generalizations and we don't like nuance because it forces us to look at our own ideas.
whitney cummings
Yeah, it's uncomfortable.
joe rogan
Just because men are...
If you're doing well in a business and you're not, it doesn't mean the men have some sort of a conspiracy.
I think it's harder for a woman to be a comic.
I do.
And I think it's harder because of society.
I think it's more difficult to talk about things that are important.
Like a man can talk about politics.
It is very difficult for a woman to go on stage to talk about politics.
Men can talk about sex and they don't look like they're a slut or damaged.
unidentified
I think if you're unattractive, you can.
annie lederman
If you're an unattractive woman- I was going to get to that.
joe rogan
Christopher Hitchens had a bit in Vanity Fair, wrote a story, Women Aren't Funny.
whitney cummings
That's right.
joe rogan
It was like this really sort of takedown of the kind of comedy that a woman has to do to be funny.
They have to be butchy or it has to be male kind of comedy.
I don't necessarily agree with him because I think there's a lot of women that are really funny, but I think it's a harder path.
I think it's a more narrow keyhole you're shooting through.
Whereas a guy, I think in general audiences will accept a man telling them what's wrong.
Whereas I think a lot of men, in particular on dates, do not want to hear a woman, especially an attractive one, Tell the guy in the audience that he's wrong about something.
unidentified
Yeah, yeah, yeah.
annie lederman
Well, I think women are naturally more empathetic, can tend to be more empathetic just because we're mothers, we're nurturers, we're caregivers.
And so we're more willing.
unidentified
We're not, but okay.
annie lederman
I mean, we're barren and we have to do comedy.
Whenever, like, Joey said something, he's like, you're smart.
You're like, you know, you're like one of the guys, like, you fit in with it.
I'm like, you fit in with me, bitch.
Like, this is how I am.
But it's like, fuck, I keep forgetting.
I've got to stop smoking weed.
Yeah.
whitney cummings
I know that females are more empathetic.
annie lederman
So we're more willing to listen to a guy talk about his day jerking off or anything like one of those things that maybe we wouldn't have the experience of having as a woman, but guys are less interested in hearing about our Wasn't one of the points that Hitchens was making that we're wired to worry about women if they hurt themselves?
whitney cummings
And so much of comedy is talking about, I hurt myself, I made this mistake, you know, that it's sort of like we're wired to be protective of them, so it's not funny.
Like, if a man slips on a banana peel, it's funny.
If a woman slips on a banana peel, it's like, are you okay?
joe rogan
I don't think there's any one factor.
I think there's a bunch of factors, but I think that's it, too.
I think that factors in, too.
But I think the big one is men don't want to hear women talking about things like opinions on politics or opinions on money or opinions on...
They get mad.
A lot of guys are like...
They'll get that thing, especially young guys and young guys on dates that want to look like a cool guy and some girl saying something like, here's the fucking problem with men.
Like, this bitch.
If you don't vote for Biden, you ain't black.
Whatever they want to say.
unidentified
That was fucking wild.
annie lederman
Charlamagne was like, I'm trying to help.
joe rogan
Yeah, Charlamagne was like, damn.
annie lederman
I love Charlamagne.
joe rogan
I do too, but it had to be in his head.
He had to be like, damn, that's a good clip right there.
whitney cummings
Bam, 10 million hits.
joe rogan
That's going to do very well.
annie lederman
Bad for America, possibly?
Good for me.
joe rogan
I don't know if it's bad for America.
annie lederman
We'll see.
whitney cummings
Do you remember a time when we were doing stand-up and people would intro us as, so are you guys ready for a lady?
unidentified
Yeah.
annie lederman
And then I'm like, you're going to be really, this is not going to be very ladylike, sorry.
whitney cummings
Which is their way of saying, if you guys need to go to the bathroom or fill your meter, now's the time.
joe rogan
That was what we talked about the other night, the word comedian.
That used to be a word.
whitney cummings
I get that a lot.
People say it, and it's ironic because it's like the New York Times and really fancy journalists will say comedian.
And I'm like, are you supposed to be the most wokest of the woke and progressive?
Is that supposed to be sophisticated?
joe rogan
A lot of people don't even like actress anymore.
They just say actor.
whitney cummings
I'm an actor.
joe rogan
Yeah, because a female can be an actress.
whitney cummings
They prefer activist.
unidentified
Yeah.
annie lederman
I actually don't mind being treated like an under...
Because it's an opportunity to make a joke.
whitney cummings
Yeah, always.
annie lederman
Always.
I was saying before, sometimes Galerian will...
Jason Galerian is a comic.
He'll bring me on and be like, this sexy.
This next sexy.
And I'm always like, ew.
But instead of getting offended, I just go on stage and I always go...
When we were out in the parking lot one night, he said, if my wife were dead, I'd fuck the shit out of me.
And I was like, if I was dead, possibly you could fuck the shit out of me.
And it always gets a laugh.
It makes it less uncomfortable.
It's like, our job is to like...
joe rogan
Make fun.
annie lederman
Yeah, like, of a weird situation.
Like, not go, like, I'm deeply, like, why would I be offended?
Who cares?
And it's fun to come on in a hole sometimes and dig out.
It's fun.
joe rogan
It's definitely some way to break the ice.
annie lederman
Yeah.
whitney cummings
And there's also, like, you know, I remember when I first started and I was like, you know, I look back and I'm like, people are like, women aren't funny and women aren't funny.
I was like, I wasn't funny when I started.
No one's funny when they fucking start.
annie lederman
I was so funny when I started.
whitney cummings
I remember being so offended when people like women aren't funny and you know I couldn't get stage time because I didn't deserve stage time.
joe rogan
There's a lot of guys that are not funny too.
whitney cummings
Of course.
joe rogan
It's not isolated to any gender and there's a lot of women that aren't funny and that's that's why the whole thing is so offensive because it's to the people that have already gotten through and become professional comics and they know what the real deal is the real deal is you like everybody who's funny yeah That's the real deal.
The real deal is everybody is kind of really cool to each other that are really funny.
annie lederman
And you make fun.
It's fun.
joe rogan
It's just so fun.
Whether it's Michelle Wolf or whoever is a killer.
Fortune Femster.
annie lederman
They're only curly-haired women.
Sorry.
joe rogan
That's what I think of when I think of funny.
whitney cummings
Nobody had a carrot top.
joe rogan
All those people are just accepted because they're funny.
whitney cummings
Nobody pays money, drives out to a comedy show, gets a date, pays a two-drink minimum, and then wants to intentionally not laugh at someone.
Nobody does that.
They want you to win.
joe rogan
But I think a lot of guys have a hard time with women being in control.
I really do.
I know a lot of guys.
I'm like, she's hilarious.
I don't know if she fucking talks about this too much.
annie lederman
I feel like there's no off limits.
It's just funny.
It's funny.
You can talk about anything.
There's no...
joe rogan
You remember, there used to be male political comedians like Will Durst.
His whole act would be political.
Or Randy Credico.
The whole act was political.
Jimmy Tingle was very political.
There's never a woman comic like that.
whitney cummings
No, there's talk shows like Samantha Bee or like...
annie lederman
I remember when they were first running the ad campaign for the show coming out, they still were doing things where it was like, they had her have these big balls or something.
They were playing so much on the gender thing where it's almost like Just do the show and don't...
Which, by the way, do whatever you want.
Obviously, she has a successful show.
But it's like, let's just be women doing a thing and not have to talk about the fact that we're women doing a thing.
whitney cummings
Start reminding them all the time.
joe rogan
Well, when you're a woman and you're in a position of power like that, you kind of have to be the one who takes control.
And if there's an issue that needs to be discussed, you kind of have to call it out on your show.
It's not like if a guy is doing a show like Jimmy Fallon.
Jimmy Tingle.
Jimmy Fallon.
annie lederman
You've got to stop saying Tingle.
It's such a silly name.
No, but that's the silliest name I've ever heard.
joe rogan
I feel uncomfortable.
He's one of those guys from Boston when I first started who was a brilliant, brilliant comedian.
But anyway, a male comic doesn't feel like they have to defend men.
Like if another male comic is getting shit on, they don't feel like they have to jump into the fray.
Hey, us guys have to stick together.
But women do.
annie lederman
I don't think, I don't, I feel like, but I feel like it's like fun.
I don't have the parts.
I don't have tits and I don't have eggs.
joe rogan
Should you be allowed to say baron with Barron Trump around?
Is that offensive to Trump's kid?
Like for real.
whitney cummings
That's so interesting.
joe rogan
Like imagine, like if it becomes a word that like, hey, you know, that's not cool.
annie lederman
You can no longer say that.
whitney cummings
I feel like that's the least of his problems.
joe rogan
Just say infertile.
You have other words.
Use the right ones.
annie lederman
Use the very long ones that take much longer.
whitney cummings
Oh, are we going to ask Joe about our proposition for your eggs?
unidentified
Oh.
annie lederman
Well, I was telling her, you two are the ones that have made me freak out the most about whether I can have kids or not.
whitney cummings
So do you want to go halfsies on freezing her eggs?
joe rogan
You want to freeze your eggs?
annie lederman
Well, you both were like, if you're going to have kids, you better have them soon.
She was like, freeze your eggs today.
I was like, can I borrow money for the Uber at least?
joe rogan
There's no more Uber in LA as of today.
annie lederman
Oh, really?
unidentified
What?
joe rogan
They shut Uber and Lyft down.
annie lederman
Cool.
whitney cummings
Because of COVID, there's nothing to do?
unidentified
No.
whitney cummings
They're not making any money?
joe rogan
Because the regulations, the state government wants to put on people.
They want them all to be employees.
annie lederman
But they're using the COVID as the...
joe rogan
No, they're not using COVID as it.
They just passed it and Uber and Lyft are both pulling out of California, which is going to mean how many people are going to have to drive drunk now?
How many people are not going to have jobs?
Exactly.
How many people who are barely getting by anyway?
All of a sudden, the carpet got pulled out from under them.
There's a lot of people that at least are doing Uber and they're driving people around.
whitney cummings
How many comments are going to lose all of their setups now that they don't have Uber drivers to talk about?
joe rogan
I mean, we only can hope that they come to their senses and realize how crazy this is in this time to take any job away.
But I think the problem is some people want it because they want health insurance and they want all sorts of protections as an employee, but it's a gig.
That's what they call it, like gig employment, right?
It's not a job.
unidentified
It's not a career.
joe rogan
It's just a gig.
And you can make a lot of money doing it part time.
And they're like, no, fuck you.
You're making a lot of money.
They're not making as much money.
You need to give them some of that money.
They need to be employees.
I get the argument.
annie lederman
Isn't Airbnb not allowed to because of COVID? Right now?
joe rogan
No, I don't think that's true, because I know people have used Airbnb.
annie lederman
Okay, because I was going to say, it's like everyone's side gigs are fucked.
joe rogan
You spray things and shit.
But I bet they're hurting, though.
I bet a lot of people don't want to do it.
But the thing about the Uber and the Lyft thing, it's like, I see both ways, because it's like, how much money do they make off that app?
And how do they divvy that shit up?
whitney cummings
I see a lot of those drivers in Teslas, and I'm like, you must be making some money.
joe rogan
Maybe that's just the person who wants a Tesla and says, if I just work 10 hours a day, I can afford a Tesla.
But the thing is, the Uber people and the people that own the company, how much are they making by just having an app?
annie lederman
Yeah, and I think they're not good.
I don't think they give a great percentage to them.
whitney cummings
I started not liking Uber when the drivers could rate you back.
unidentified
They can rate you back?
whitney cummings
They can rate you back.
Oh, that's weird.
And I would just get in the Uber sometimes and say nothing.
I'd be going to the comedy store working on my act.
And sometimes people do want to chat and I'm just really quiet.
And then I would get like four stars.
annie lederman
Maybe they didn't like your special.
whitney cummings
Trust me, if I talk, it's going to be much worse.
joe rogan
Does Lyft do the same thing?
whitney cummings
I would only have done Uber, but does Lyft have it?
annie lederman
I don't know.
I got kicked off of Lyft because I was...
The driver almost ran my foot over once and I left a message on his answering machine like, I hope you rot in fucking hell.
And then they said I abused him.
And then they asked why and I just went, honestly, I'm PMSing.
And that wasn't a good...
I was like, honestly, he almost hurt me and I'm on my period and I'm really mad.
whitney cummings
Weren't they trying to change what PMS is called because it was offensive?
It's mean to nighttime.
It wasn't a post-menstrual dysmorphia?
Aren't they calling it that now?
Dysmorphia?
joe rogan
Body dysmorphia.
They were trying to put tampons in the men's bathroom at Yale because they said sometimes men menstruate.
annie lederman
I think the last time I was on this podcast we talked about this.
joe rogan
It's adorable.
whitney cummings
Sometimes women don't.
annie lederman
Do you know what the weird thing is though?
It's not like being anti-trans.
You're not allowed to talk about it at all unless you're completely on the side of I don't even want to say it.
I don't want to talk about it.
You can't just go like, I'm standing outside of this situation and this side is saying this and this side is saying that.
You can't because then they're like, you're transphobic or something.
joe rogan
Here's what you can say.
We put tampons in the men's room because sometimes trans women use the men's room and they can still get their period.
That's an accurate way of saying that.
That's a real way.
You can say that.
Holla.
whitney cummings
Is that me?
annie lederman
It's not me.
It's not me.
whitney cummings
You're a mess.
annie lederman
It wasn't me.
joe rogan
That's you.
whitney cummings
That's me!
joe rogan
That is always the best.
annie lederman
She's such a con.
Did you see that?
joe rogan
When someone shits on you for something.
annie lederman
You're the only two people I talk to.
whitney cummings
I can't imagine who's calling me.
You're the only two people I talk to.
annie lederman
It's definitely Esther.
It's a little Esther being like, you guys are there without me?
whitney cummings
I know.
It's Tim Dillon being like, fucking talk about me.
joe rogan
I have a very distinctive ring.
So if you call me, I know exactly what it is.
whitney cummings
I used to have it on silent.
joe rogan
I have the T-Rex roar.
annie lederman
Really?
joe rogan
Yeah.
So when someone calls me, it roars.
whitney cummings
Dude, when are we ever going to see you again, Joe?
I'm actually starting to get sad.
annie lederman
No, it's disgusting.
joe rogan
Come visit.
I'll come back.
annie lederman
I only fly private now since I did this podcast twice.
This is my second rogue and now I fly private.
whitney cummings
But my favorite part of Austin is it has the largest population of bats in North America.
annie lederman
Oh good, great.
The thing that gave us Corona.
whitney cummings
Don't eat any of them.
joe rogan
No, not Chinese people.
Bats.
Jesus.
annie lederman
That's so racist.
joe rogan
It's scientists.
whitney cummings
They're under a bridge and every night they fly out.
unidentified
Did I say people?
joe rogan
I meant scientists.
annie lederman
Cancel science.
Cancel science.
joe rogan
I meant Chinese scientists.
whitney cummings
Have you seen them fly out from under that bridge?
joe rogan
Yeah, it's wild.
Yeah, at dusk.
whitney cummings
So cool.
joe rogan
Yeah, it's really cool.
As soon as it starts turning dark out, they fly out.
I mean, millions of them.
annie lederman
Yeah, I went kayaking.
whitney cummings
It's the largest in North America.
Look at that.
Look at that.
annie lederman
What's the festival that's so fun that's in Austin?
What's it called?
whitney cummings
Moon Tower?
annie lederman
Moon Tower.
whitney cummings
But isn't Austin the only city that still operates Moon Towers?
joe rogan
I don't know.
whitney cummings
It is.
joe rogan
I don't know.
whitney cummings
I believe it is.
I never want to...
joe rogan
I've never done any of those.
whitney cummings
Yeah, those are good.
And the Austin City Limits is another one.
It also has the only nude beach in Texas.
I do know that.
joe rogan
I've done Austin City Limits.
I've done that theater.
The big theater there.
What is the theater there?
whitney cummings
Paramount.
joe rogan
Is that what it is?
annie lederman
Is that the one you can drink?
You can...
joe rogan
I don't know, but it's beautiful.
It's gorgeous inside.
Is that at the Paramount Theater in Austin?
whitney cummings
It's so...
Moonlight Towers, Austin is...
joe rogan
Only known surviving moonlight towers in the world.
What does that mean?
unidentified
I don't know.
whitney cummings
They go on at night and it creates light.
As if it was the moon.
They're everywhere.
annie lederman
I don't like seeing only known surviving and then there's a picture of Brody.
I hate that and a gun under it.
It's like, fuck!
I got my Brody pin, by the way.
Rock pins.
whitney cummings
Have you been to Austin before?
annie lederman
Yeah, I did the moon tower.
whitney cummings
Oh, nice.
Nice.
annie lederman
Yeah, they let me do festivals sometimes.
whitney cummings
We're gonna come.
We're gonna come let Joe hunt us.
annie lederman
It's so fun, yeah.
joe rogan
Come visit.
annie lederman
Well, we're gonna take over your studio for our podcast Trauma Bonding.
joe rogan
Trauma Bonding.
whitney cummings
Well, no, you already have one with Bonnie.
Now I'm jealous.
annie lederman
Well, you're gonna be on it, and we're just doing six.
It's a limited series.
joe rogan
Do you think Bonnie's gonna try to put a wedge between you two?
annie lederman
No, Bonnie's gonna love it.
Bonnie's the coolest.
whitney cummings
She's such a beast.
annie lederman
I talk to Bonnie every day.
We laugh.
She's the fucking quickest, funniest bitch in the world.
joe rogan
And her movie is a great example of what we're talking about.
Women aren't funny.
It's a fucking awesome documentary.
annie lederman
When she dressed up like a guy and went on stage, she looked like Rafi.
Who were we talking about the other day?
joe rogan
A little bit, yeah.
whitney cummings
Something that made me laugh so hard in that documentary is when she was like, well, there are some women that aren't funny.
And because there's less of us, you can make a sort of stereotype based on one person.
So she's like, we don't need to get more women in comedy.
We just have to ask the people that suck to quit.
annie lederman
Yeah.
whitney cummings
So she called up a bunch of female comics and she was like, hey, can you stop doing stand-up?
It's ruining it for the rest of you.
joe rogan
You know what my feelings are?
It's not the people that suck.
It's the people that aren't that good.
Those are the dangerous ones.
It's not the ones that suck.
Because the ones that suck, everybody knows they suck.
It just kind of never happens.
It's the ones that are just fucking shaky.
Their premises are kind of okay.
Their delivery's kind of alright.
They get some laughs, but they don't get enough.
And then they're angry.
Those are the ones outside the walled garden.
annie lederman
I think it's male comic's fault.
whitney cummings
That?
annie lederman
Because if you think about the best pickup line for a male comic to hit on a female comic is you're funny.
joe rogan
That was really funny.
Yeah, you're really funny.
annie lederman
Yeah, like you're funny.
And then girls are like, I am!
It totally worked on me so many times.
whitney cummings
See, to me, I feel like if someone says you're funny, you're not funny.
If you just come off stage and someone says nothing, that means you're funny.
joe rogan
I mean, look, if someone thinks you're funny, if they say it, it should register.
The problem is you've got that male-female dynamic.
So it's like, he's trying to fuck me?
What is this?
annie lederman
Well, that's why I like that you find me disgusting and you're putting your tits away, you nasty bitch.
So that's why when you tell me I'm funny, I'm like, okay.
joe rogan
I had to say that in the moment.
whitney cummings
There's something amazing about comedy that does kind of neuter us.
I don't feel sexual energy around comics.
No offense.
But there's just something, it just feels very fraternal.
I never feel sexual around it.
joe rogan
It's what we were talking about at the comedy store the other night when we were doing the thing.
It's like, there's not that many of us.
There might be a thousand of us on the planet at a time.
whitney cummings
7 billion people.
After this, maybe way less.
I mean, after this pandemic.
joe rogan
Yeah, legitimate.
annie lederman
Well, they can't drive Lyft anymore.
They've got to go home.
whitney cummings
I mean, I feel like we're going to come back and half the comics are going to have to have moved home.
annie lederman
I'm going to get such sweet spots at the Comedy Store now.
I'm like, oh!
joe rogan
You will.
The question is how many clubs are going to be open.
The Comedy Store is going to stay open.
But how many clubs will be?
There's gonna be a lot to go under.
A lot.
Like maybe half of them in the country.
whitney cummings
A lot of what I was hearing was I kept booking dates and canceling and booking and canceling.
Remember during that time when it was just chaos?
We didn't want to just surrender to what the fuck was happening.
But a lot of clubs wanted us to book knowing we were gonna have to cancel just so they could get some income.
And then they weren't gonna refund.
They were just gonna give you a credit.
I paid money to see Joe Rogan knowing he was not going to be able to- Just to keep the lights on?
Just to keep the lights on, knowing the show's never going to happen, and then you get a credit to my club when Joe cancels.
annie lederman
Well, if Ben Glebe had become a president, we would have been- Bailed out of all the clubs.
joe rogan
I like how you say a president.
unidentified
If Ben Glebe had become a president, that's how out of touch you are with politics.
joe rogan
She's like, how many of them are there?
whitney cummings
Female comics doing politics!
joe rogan
If Ben Glebe had become a president.
whitney cummings
It's just so weird because a lot of these clubs are barely functioning without a pandemic.
joe rogan
Oh yeah, like Laugh Factory and maybe some of the smaller outside clubs like Ha Ha or Ice House.
whitney cummings
Why did the Comedy Connection close in Boston all those years back?
joe rogan
Well, they opened up the Wilbur Theater.
whitney cummings
Oh, it was the same.
joe rogan
Yeah, when Bill Blumenwright started doing shows at the Wilbur, the Wilbur's like, what, 1,200, 1,300 people?
So he started getting literally like a good headliner who would sell out Faneuil Hall, which is like 500 people or 400 people.
You could actually, with his mail list and the fact that comedy's so popular in Boston, he could sell out the Wilbur.
whitney cummings
I just remember, like, the Comedy Store OR is my favorite room in the world.
annie lederman
Yeah, it's the best room.
whitney cummings
The comedy connection, that room.
joe rogan
The Faneuil Hall one?
unidentified
It was amazing.
whitney cummings
The way that it was wide.
It was shallow and kind of wide with low ceilings.
joe rogan
Yeah.
I used to get Ari Shaffir so high that he couldn't remember what he talked about.
And then I'd send him on stage, and he was like, I'm too hot.
annie lederman
That's so mean.
joe rogan
No, no, no, it was fine.
He goes, I shouldn't get too hot.
I go, dude, you can't get fired.
You literally can't get fired.
I'm like, you work for me.
unidentified
I know you're funny.
joe rogan
Let's go have fun, man.
Let's just go out there and get crazy.
annie lederman
And then he goes, you can drug your friends.
joe rogan
Well, that was later.
annie lederman
I did not approve.
joe rogan
I was not a part of that.
whitney cummings
Ari came to my house like a year ago and was like, I need to talk to you.
And I was like, oh shit, this is probably not going to go well, but this is a prank waiting to happen.
I'm going to get dosed or something.
And he came over and he took me on a hike and he was like, basically like, this is an intervention.
You need to go get lost somewhere.
Like, I want you to go to Peru for two months without a cell phone or something.
And I was like, you're out of your fucking mind.
annie lederman
He goes, but keep tweeting controversial things.
whitney cummings
But Kobe's a rapist.
annie lederman
Yeah, Ari, you need an intervention.
whitney cummings
Yeah, you need to get the fuck off Twitter, homie.
No, but and then the fucking pandemic happened.
I was like, I should have fucking done that.
joe rogan
Yeah, but then you'd be stuck in Thailand or something waiting to come home.
A lot of people got stuck in other countries.
annie lederman
Why don't you get lost in your fucking field of...
joe rogan
He said it because he did it himself and he had a great benefit from doing it.
And he's right on a lot of that stuff.
whitney cummings
That's just because he was off Twitter for a couple months.
joe rogan
That too.
But there's a real benefit for that.
One of the first comments when I posted that book, he was like, I'll accept your apology.
whitney cummings
I saw that.
Are you going to change your cell phone habits now that you read that book?
joe rogan
I already have.
whitney cummings
Well, you know that I put on my phone, because of you, I have a folder called Addict at the very end with my social media, but now I just scroll seven times to get to it.
annie lederman
You know what I do when I'm healthy?
I delete all of the apps so then you have to re-download them, and it's just this extra step that's annoying.
However, what I realized is...
whitney cummings
I'll just normalize to the extra step, though.
annie lederman
Do you know what I realized?
I just kept...
I would...
Pick my phone up and I would just tap.
Like, I'm so addicted to just tapping.
joe rogan
And it would start downloading.
annie lederman
And then immediately it would download.
whitney cummings
You know what someone was telling me?
This was a real doctor.
Huberman said that people, when they come out of surgery, the first thing they do when they come out of anesthesia is they grab their genitals.
It's just like a subconscious thing.
joe rogan
Make sure it's still there?
whitney cummings
Yes.
joe rogan
Jesus.
whitney cummings
But now, they reach for their phone.
joe rogan
Oh my God, it's better than your dick.
annie lederman
Wow.
joe rogan
It's going to be a part of your body.
It's just a matter of time.
We're so attached to those goddamn things.
If Elon Musk really follows through with his Neuralink thing and they cut a hole in people's head the size of a quarter and stick a bunch of wires into your brain, which is literally what he said they were going to do, and you have some Bluetooth-enabled...
annie lederman
Like, people worry about vaccines, like, hello!
joe rogan
But here's the thing.
What he was saying is it's going to be a massive advantage for people that have it.
You're going to have much more access to information.
The bandwidth in which you process information will be much thicker and wider.
whitney cummings
Annie will be able to remember her thoughts.
annie lederman
Oh my god.
whitney cummings
So embarrassing.
annie lederman
Twice?
unidentified
Twice.
annie lederman
One day?
joe rogan
But you know what it is?
It's like we're...
Because there's three of us.
We all have shit to say.
annie lederman
I'm so excited.
Everyone always thinks people are on Adderall or Coke on your show because it's like so exciting.
whitney cummings
It's the irony because you have three hours.
Slow down.
It's fine.
joe rogan
I know, but it gets you the energy.
We're having a fun conversation.
It's like, I got something to say.
You don't know when you jump in.
whitney cummings
We're like puppies that get to play together.
joe rogan
It probably is.
whitney cummings
Let me do my Joey Diaz impression.
Hey, Joe Rogan.
I like that he calls you Joe Rogan.
So if today someone said schools can open up, clubs can open up, venues can open up, we can go back to normal if you wear this bracelet that tells me where you are at all times, where you were last night, and who you hung out with.
joe rogan
This is the problem with it.
The same problem with shutting down the TikTok house.
It's because, okay, you shut down a house that has 200 people.
What if it gets down to five?
What if they tell you you have to split your family up?
What if you have 10 people in your house?
You can't have more than 10.
What if grandma comes over?
Can't come over?
Who the fuck?
What the fuck are they to tell you you can't have a party?
You have mismanaged this crisis so horribly at every step of the way and not just the city and not just the state, the federal government and of course the people that were releasing the information from Wuhan.
That's the big step because they're the ones who fucked it up because there was a lot of legit doctors and scientists that were in Wuhan, Chinese doctors that were trying to get the word out and they were silenced and the main one, the first one that did it actually wind up dying from the fucking disease.
Crazy.
Crazy.
That's the biggest fuck-up.
But there's fuck-ups every step of the way.
One of the biggest fuck-ups that's happening right now is these people being in a position of power and telling people they can't work, telling people they can't do things.
But you can protest.
whitney cummings
You saw the governors got shut down, right?
joe rogan
I did.
I did see that.
Tim Dillam was supposed to be there.
Governors in Long Island, the comedy club.
You can't have a person, just because they win a popularity contest, make new rules.
You can't give them the power to make new rules.
Because everybody becomes a fucking tyrant.
And that's what they're doing.
All they're doing is to protect people.
You tell me how many fucking hospital beds you have.
You tell me what the death rate is.
And then you tell me why this is the only state in the country that can't open a beauty salon.
Beauty salons can't be open right now.
Only California.
They're crazy.
It's a crazy state.
annie lederman
And they opened them for a second and then took it away.
whitney cummings
Maybe it's because we don't pay enough taxes.
joe rogan
That's exactly what it is.
whitney cummings
Jesus Christ.
annie lederman
I never pay taxes.
joe rogan
This is a tipping point.
annie lederman
Is that bad?
joe rogan
People are going to wake the fuck up.
No, it's fine.
annie lederman
I said I never pay taxes.
Is that bad?
joe rogan
If you don't say it on a podcast, nobody knows.
annie lederman
Let's just say on paper, me and Wesley Snipes have a lot in common.
whitney cummings
Dude, they don't fuck around.
They find you.
annie lederman
No, I'm having my...
Well, I'm not talking about this, actually.
I'm fine.
Everything's fine.
joe rogan
Everything's fine.
But this state is just...
They're terrible at it.
And the fact that they can shut down these TikTokers, we should be nervous.
Not because these TikTokers are geniuses, but it's because who the fuck are you to say you can shut the power off?
whitney cummings
Wow.
joe rogan
You can shut someone's power off?
It's a slippery slope.
annie lederman
They're taking their ability to use their phone.
They're like, your phone's going to die and then you're fucked.
joe rogan
They're shutting the lights off in the house.
unidentified
That's what they're doing.
joe rogan
They're cutting off the water.
But if you do that, you're saying that you have the ability to shut off essentials, things that keep people alive, water and power.
You're saying that you have the ability to tell them how they can live in this house.
And there's no real law that says you can limit the amount of people that can go to a party.
I don't think there is.
whitney cummings
I'll tell you where this does not happen.
unidentified
Is there?
whitney cummings
Texas.
joe rogan
No.
whitney cummings
My mom is from Texas.
Yeah, you do not get to tell people from Texas what to fucking do.
annie lederman
Except don't smoke weed.
whitney cummings
Yeah, except weed.
What are we going to do about that?
joe rogan
We'll figure it out.
unidentified
There's occupancy laws.
joe rogan
What?
unidentified
Occupancy laws and shit like that, like the amount of people that can be inside of a place.
joe rogan
But you can't change them, can you?
Can you make it a house?
Like if a house normally has a party, like Dan Bilzerian's place.
unidentified
Like if you're in college and you have too many people at your house, they'll come and shut it down.
joe rogan
Right, but that's the cops and that's not your house.
You went to college, Jamie.
unidentified
They probably don't own the house either.
They're probably renting it.
joe rogan
They don't have $10 million to buy those houses yet.
Well, if the people who own the house have some sort of a regulation, maybe I could see it.
But if you, like, Dan Bilzerian didn't own that house either.
And the whole thing about that house, it would piss off the neighbors, was because he would just bus in people, and they'd fill that place up, and DJs and marshmallows there and shit, and everybody's going crazy.
But they didn't shut his power off.
So they're saying they have the ability to shut your power and water off because during the pandemic they can limit the amount of people in your house.
So that's a new rule.
whitney cummings
Wow.
joe rogan
Because if they were having these occupancy laws, Dan Bolzerian would have gotten shut down too.
whitney cummings
That's right.
joe rogan
They're doing it because they're saying you could spread COVID this way and it's irresponsible.
The problem is the way that they're doing something new.
They're shutting power off on someone's house that doesn't listen.
They're shutting power off on someone who's having a party who doesn't obey.
whitney cummings
But didn't they have COVID? And they're doing it for press to kind of let people know what's up.
It's like a threat.
joe rogan
And this is the same fucking guy that offered rewards for people who turn folks in.
Remember the whole thing, snitches get stitches?
Well, now snitches get rewards.
If people aren't social distancing, if people are having parties, and that was for small parties, remember?
That was for people having fucking barbecues.
This shit is slippery.
whitney cummings
Do you think I'm going to get...
Because I'm starting a stand-up show in my backyard just for comics.
We're going to do testing like what Chappelle's doing in Ohio I'm going to do in my backyard because it's just getting crazy.
Am I going to get shut down?
joe rogan
I don't know.
But you're going to let everybody know where you live.
whitney cummings
It's basically going to be like a bringer show.
It's going to be like a comic bringing two friends that you trust and know.
annie lederman
So guys, if you join my Patreon, I'll do a raffle.
We might shoot some shit.
whitney cummings
We might try to shoot some stuff.
Why not?
joe rogan
Why not?
I just wonder, what is the law?
See if we can find out if there's any written thing.
whitney cummings
How many people can I have?
joe rogan
I don't know.
Yeah, like what is the law now in LA? If these TikTokers have too many people.
annie lederman
But they probably have a lot.
unidentified
You're not going to have that many.
whitney cummings
I'm going to have like five comics.
Because when I started...
joe rogan
I think you should just be arrested if that's a law.
I think you should be fined or something.
I don't think you should be able to shut someone's fucking power and water off.
whitney cummings
I'd rather you just fine me.
Great.
unidentified
All right.
Bye.
joe rogan
Yeah.
If these TikTokers are like, hey, you guys are violating the law, so here's a fine of $200.
Things make sense if you're fining someone.
If you park in the wrong place, you can get fined.
But there's a thing that they're doing that's weird.
They're shutting power off.
Ordinance on loud or unruly gatherings known as the Party House Ordinance.
Hey, Dan Bilzerian, did it ever work on you?
Officially took place August 15, 2018. They never use it on him.
The ordinance claims to curb repeat offenders of out-of-control parties of residential neighborhoods with escalating fines and new enforcement from Los Angeles Police Department.
I don't think that's connected, though.
whitney cummings
Because this is 2018. Is that like a blanket statement?
New enforcement tools?
joe rogan
I don't think that's connected to the TikTok house.
These are all 2018 stories.
whitney cummings
Dude, we were also in a heat wave.
It was 107. You can't Cut off someone's electricity in 170 feet.
joe rogan
Exactly.
whitney cummings
It's wild.
joe rogan
And we're assuming they're kids and they're allowed to be there.
How long was that cut off for?
Okay, here.
Property owners who skirt building and safety rules or city laws, such as Los Angeles party house ordinance, which was the same law, right, are in violation of COVID-19 public health orders in the city's party house ordinance, which becomes the law in 2018. So they're talking about that law.
And it said it wasn't clear whether Garcetti's announcement was related to that motion.
unidentified
Hmm.
joe rogan
Okay, what?
whitney cummings
It feels like it's just a little ad hoc.
joe rogan
It's still...
Exactly.
They're making it up as they go along.
It's still sneaky.
Under the proposal, penalties for large gatherings could include water and power shutoff, permit prohibitions, and having a certificate of occupancy held or revoked for large...
Close contact, largely maskless gatherings in violation of city emergency orders and county health orders.
So the city emergency and the county health order, they make an order saying you can't have a large gathering, and if you do, they're going to do a new thing, which is shut your water and power off.
When do they fucking ever do that unless you're a fugitive?
You have to have, like, a gun, and you're pointing it out the window to shut your power and water off.
annie lederman
We're always at risk of fires and now you're making people use candlelight.
That's not safe.
whitney cummings
I've seen more flames.
I've seen these kids.
They don't shower anyway.
You didn't punish them that much.
joe rogan
It's a slippery thing if you allow it.
whitney cummings
It's a God complex.
joe rogan
I think it's stupid that these kids want to have these parties.
And we were talking about Dr. Malk and all these people that came to him that got sick from one of those parties.
You can get sick for sure.
It's a high likelihood that people are going to die.
If they keep getting sick and they infect someone, it's 0.04% of people who catch COVID die.
That's what the current standings are.
So it could lead to a death or two.
It is possible.
But I just don't think you should allow people to do that.
whitney cummings
Did you see how Steve Bannon was busted by the mail?
Did you know that the mail could make arrests?
annie lederman
The Daily Mail?
whitney cummings
The mail.
It was the Postal Service.
They have an arrest department.
joe rogan
They have a Postal Service police?
whitney cummings
That's who arrested Steve Bannon.
annie lederman
Not for long.
joe rogan
Listen, if girls are talking about politics, I have to pee so bad.
Can you guys keep going?
I'll pee.
whitney cummings
Okay, we're going to keep going.
Look at this.
Post office arrested Steve Bannon.
Isn't that cool?
Let's read it.
annie lederman
Look at his face.
whitney cummings
Look at that guy.
annie lederman
He looks like Javier Bardem.
whitney cummings
I'm going to be Joseph Rogan.
The U.S. Postal Service is out to deliver justice against former White House Chief Strategist Steve Bannon.
It may not come as a shock that Bannon, often described as a grifter, was allegedly caught up in a scheme to defraud...
Yeah, they have fucking police.
Isn't that crazy?
I hate when they take tweets from people.
This drives me nuts when journalists take tweets from people.
I don't know who fucking this person is.
And then they post their tweet as if it's real journalism.
That's not journalism.
annie lederman
And look, they only have 322 likes on the tweet.
It's not even a popular tweet.
whitney cummings
They're part and parcel of an elite police unit known as the US Postal Inspection Service, USPIS, which has been fighting crime since the mail fraud.
Probably you and your tax fraud.
You're going to meet these people soon, Annie.
You're going to know these people any minute.
There's 1,200 postal inspectors who carry weapons, make arrests, execute federal search warrants, and serve subpoenas.
They've even inspired a CBS series, The Inspectors.
Haven't heard of it.
Didn't feel like it was that inspired.
They made 5,759 arrests.
Can you imagine?
unidentified
Since...
whitney cummings
Put your hands up!
annie lederman
Since 1872. That's not a lot of arrests.
That's very few arrests.
whitney cummings
Have you ever been arrested?
annie lederman
No.
I got like, you know, when I was in high school, we were bad, but I never got arrested.
I got like the...
Once we took a three-foot bong out into the alleyway to smoke for some reason in high school, and then obviously the neighbors were like, the kids are smoking a giant bong in the thing, so the...
The cops came in.
I remember we were so high.
We were trying to hide behind the bong.
It was so tragic.
But my one friend who had the weed on him got arrested, but I never got arrested.
whitney cummings
But do you still smoke weed out of bongs or just do joints?
annie lederman
Sometimes.
I mean, I don't really smoke that much weed anymore.
I started again and now I'm remembering why I don't.
The old early onset.
whitney cummings
I can't remember my phone number when I smoke weed.
annie lederman
I want to be as alert as possible.
I like to...
Be able to pay attention and chime in and stuff.
I'll smoke out of a bong sometimes.
whitney cummings
I think my throat was getting really fucked up from the vapes.
annie lederman
I don't like vaping.
I don't think it gets me high enough.
whitney cummings
Remember when we thought vapes were healthier than cigarettes?
Remember when we were like, vapes are healthy!
annie lederman
Oh, you're showing my Patreon?
joe rogan
I just saw a bong picture.
annie lederman
I was vaping...
whitney cummings
Huh?
What?
unidentified
Nothing.
She asked if she smoked out of a bong.
annie lederman
I'll show you.
I did have a three-foot bong.
whitney cummings
Annie, smoke weed and I want to tase you.
annie lederman
I had a three-foot...
I mean, I'm a little bit interested in that.
I do like attention.
I like attention, but I also like not peeing myself.
whitney cummings
We're following David Blaine.
The bar is high.
joe rogan
What were we just talking about?
I caught whatever you had.
whitney cummings
The Postal Service.
The Postal Service can arrest people.
There's 1,200 people that can arrest people.
They carry weapons.
joe rogan
And they arrested him for fraud?
whitney cummings
Is that what it was?
Fraud for raising money for that private border wall, right?
Isn't that wild?
joe rogan
It's all wild.
whitney cummings
What is this?
joe rogan
CBD, Kill Cliff, very good for you.
whitney cummings
Does this give you a little buzz at all or no?
Just good for pain and stuff?
annie lederman
Yeah, 25 milligrams CBD. I'm trying to find this picture.
I have a picture.
I had a three-foot bong for a second, and for Mother's Day one year, I dressed it up like it was a boy.
I put a hat on it, and I was sending my son to school.
I put a little backpack on him.
unidentified
This is delicious.
annie lederman
I fucking love Instagram, by the way.
joe rogan
Good stuff, right?
Kill Cliff.
whitney cummings
Do you think that Instagram is going to be replaced by Reels?
annie lederman
Well, Reels is Instagram.
whitney cummings
Instagram, but I mean, it's like, at one point, because now your algorithm, like, you have to get a certain number of likes and comments in order to get in the algorithm at all, right?
unidentified
Right.
whitney cummings
Which is harder.
unidentified
It's like a TikTok on it.
annie lederman
Instagram just robs.
It's great.
whitney cummings
It's like what it did with Snapchat, too.
Instagram did stories when Snapchat kind of went away, right?
annie lederman
I haven't started doing the reels yet, but I'm excited.
I love having this outlet, especially during this time where we can't do stand-up.
I love Instagram.
And a lot of comics just promote or put their dog in there.
Books we read and a song they're listening to.
joe rogan
What?
whitney cummings
I love that.
I love when you see a movie and you post it.
annie lederman
And break comedians and make them so successful.
But I really love making jokes on it.
It's my favorite.
joe rogan
Yeah, it's a great place to do it.
It's a fun way to post a picture and say something funny.
It's a little writing exercise.
whitney cummings
It's also like, journalists are so fucking lazy now.
News is just, Jennifer Lopez posted this thing on Instagram.
They just take all their news and all their photos from Instagram now.
joe rogan
Do you know how many stories get written just from shit we say on this podcast?
Just use it and write a story.
whitney cummings
It's crazy.
annie lederman
Well, I'll see you when the internet, like Twitter will be up.
You posted a picture with me and Owen Smith, I believe.
And it was like one of the days you said one thing.
I don't even remember what it was, but the internet had blown.
And I could tell because I was tagged in the picture of you.
So all these people were commenting.
And I saw you later and it was not a different day for you in any way.
If you don't read it...
I was like, I wonder if he...
Because it was just like, boom, boom, boom.
I was getting all these notifications.
It was just so funny that you didn't even...
joe rogan
That's probably when I didn't like video games or something.
unidentified
Did you...
whitney cummings
I feel like you got...
Maybe it was like...
I feel like two years ago, you got like super famous.
Like super, super, super famous.
Did it feel like it was like two years ago?
annie lederman
I always thought you were so famous.
joe rogan
I don't know what happened.
whitney cummings
You were famous, but then you became a religion.
annie lederman
I just keep moving.
matthew yglesias
I think it's a cumulative thing if you just keep moving.
joe rogan
Keep putting out podcasts and then more and more people listen to them.
And then too many people are listening to you.
And then it becomes this thing.
annie lederman
Yeah, and then it's like every word you say is they're like, but you have a responsibility.
joe rogan
Also, I'm a fucking moron, which is a terrible thing.
Like if people are getting advice from me, I don't even take my own advice a lot of times.
Don't listen to me.
whitney cummings
But that's why you're fun to listen to and talk to is because you're like humble and you're willing to entertain ideas that aren't yours and you ask the right questions.
joe rogan
I think it's so important that we're talking about before that you don't get married to your ideas.
I've been married to my ideas before.
It's gross.
It's gross because then you defend them and you lie and you manipulate your words to try to make it seem like you're right when you're not right.
whitney cummings
I think it was in that same book we brought up so many times.
You get dopamine when your bias is confirmation bias.
When someone agrees with a wrong idea that you say, you get dopamine.
joe rogan
I used to enjoy winning, like, arguments like that.
And now I want to, like, honestly, like, when I have someone on the podcast that's saying something really ridiculous that I know is horseshit, that I'm like, okay, this is my opportunity to just exercise this thing.
And I want, I'll just speak nice and slow.
And, like, why do you think that?
Like, what is it?
What's going on?
Like, tell me how you make...
What about this?
And I'll give them opposing ideas, but I won't be married to them.
I'll say, well, that doesn't make any sense because this...
But I'm not saying it in a mean way.
I'm like, I'm trying to...
Especially when someone says something that they don't even really think through.
This is like a predetermined pattern of behavior, a conglomeration of ideas that I've adopted as this ideology, and I'm going to push this forward no matter what.
And those people are fascinating because when you talk to them they are fucking married to those ideas and they don't even know them!
They're married to strangers!
They're married to strangers and you're arguing with them about some shit they haven't thought through at all and they um and they ah.
I've had people fall apart and it's so fascinating because look I've been wrong a thousand times on this fucking podcast or more but When there's a moment, if I know I'm wrong, I'll be like, ooh, okay, that's not right.
annie lederman
And that's this specific podcast today.
joe rogan
All the time.
Everything you've said.
whitney cummings
Yeah, you are able to change your mind after getting new information.
annie lederman
Well, you should be like, you have to.
That's how science is, right?
Isn't science like that you're trying to prove yourself wrong?
You're trying to like, yeah.
joe rogan
It's ego.
But even in science, it's a real issue.
When people come up with new scientific discoveries that other scientists didn't recognize, there's a lot of fucking blowback.
A lot of people get angry.
Scientists get pissy.
They get really egotistical.
It's super, super disheartening.
When you take all of your information from archaeologists, but then one archaeologist will find some new discovery that predates civilization.
I've seen it with Graham Hancock.
I've seen it with Robert Shock, who's this geologist from Boston University.
He was talking to this archaeologist about these geological findings that show water erosion on the outside of the Sphinx that could have only taken place at 9000 BC, which would predate all that Egyptian construction way earlier than they thought it was.
And this guy's mocking him and laughing at him.
A scientist!
Instead of going, fascinating, because this is his field of study.
I'm a fucking geologist, okay?
And he's saying, these water marks can only be created by erosion.
This is water erosion.
This is not wind and sand.
This is water.
And he's saying, I'm a geologist.
I have sent these images, these cropped images, to other geologists.
They've agreed with me.
This guy's just mocking him.
I'm like, oh my god, it's ego.
He doesn't want to think that He's been teaching and writing books for all these years about how old the Sphinx is, how old the pyramids are.
And he's been wrong.
And he doesn't want to...
You're like, oh no.
So it exists in everything.
Even in the people that we rely on the most for information.
They're married to their ideas.
He should have been fascinated.
She'd have been like...
Wow, well, I have to revise my book!
annie lederman
And then you get a new book, dude!
joe rogan
Yeah, then you get this crazy new discovery that, oh, look, it looks like there's many eras of construction.
Because if you go deep, deep, deep into the sand, there's an older era.
And it's a very distinctive era.
They built things differently then.
And then this era, they do it this way.
They can get it narrowed down to these epochs.
It's fucking fascinating.
But meanwhile, this guy's ego wouldn't let him see it.
And you watch it, and you go, wow!
What civilization was from 14,000 years ago?
Meanwhile, since then, they've found them.
They've found actual civilizations.
Like Gobekli Tepe, that's 100% more than 12,000 years old.
100%, without a doubt, was filled in 12,000 years ago.
So the guy was wrong.
But meanwhile, his ideas were his.
He clutched them like a baby.
He was protecting from a fucking storm.
whitney cummings
Woo!
There's so much of that in medicine, especially when there's new solutions and shit.
You know, like I was reading about the board certification for veterinarians.
A lot of these veterinarians have to learn wrong information to pass this test to get board certified.
A lot of it that's already been debunked because it's like older veterinarians.
Something that was true 30 years ago now has been debunked and they have to like learn all this archaic shit just to pass this arbitrary test.
joe rogan
Well, remember the food chain?
Remember when you were a kid?
This is how to get cancer!
unidentified
This is how to get fat!
whitney cummings
It was like, eat five servings of bread a day, eight potatoes.
Remember that pyramid?
joe rogan
At the top there was a fish.
whitney cummings
It was like one piece of fish, that's right.
And then one little piece of steak.
The fact that we used to think that shit was good for us.
annie lederman
Well, then Atkins was like, eat cream cheese and beef.
And didn't he die?
joe rogan
No!
This is the thing.
People always like to say this.
Atkins fell on the ice and broke his head.
annie lederman
Well, because he was off balance from all that cream cheese.
Brogan, you're wrong.
whitney cummings
I remember I was taught when I was a kid the healthiest thing you could eat was like a blueberry muffin.
joe rogan
I know.
Low fat.
Low fat blueberry muffin.
annie lederman
Listen, I've been eating a lot of blueberry muffins and they really do make you look like a blueberry muffin.
unidentified
It's so weird.
whitney cummings
I love your body, Annie.
annie lederman
The problem with me is that it looks good at all weights, so it's hard to lose weight.
whitney cummings
But you also look like you're fucking strong as shit.
annie lederman
I look fertile.
whitney cummings
Yeah, you look like a brick house.
joe rogan
The opposite of barren.
annie lederman
Do you work out hard?
I like to work out a lot.
I do enjoy working out.
joe rogan
Was that ever a thing that helped you when you were getting over booze?
annie lederman
Exercise?
joe rogan
Yeah.
annie lederman
I started doing yoga because I was very detached to my femininity, obviously, if you had gotten to this job.
My femininity.
But my mom's very, like, sportsy.
I can't use the word I want to say.
But, you know, so she was always very, like, let's just play sports, no dolls, all this stuff.
So I had no attachment to it.
And then with yoga, I kind of got really, like, girly in it.
And it helped me.
And just the body weight stuff really helped.
Yeah.
unidentified
Yeah.
annie lederman
And I like doing jiu-jitsu, but I'm not fucking doing jiu-jitsu during this shit, dude.
I'm not spitting in each other's mouths, dude.
joe rogan
Well, you were doing it at Nogi, too, which is, you know, you're in, like, fucking Lycra and stuff.
It's really close contact.
annie lederman
It's so sweaty and so gross.
I know you can contract it through ball sweat.
I know for a fact.
joe rogan
For sure.
But it does improve your immune system.
That's what's interesting.
annie lederman
It was so fun, though.
It was the most fun.
It's the most fun exercise.
You're doing math problems on people's bodies.
It's incredible.
joe rogan
That is what it's like.
annie lederman
It's so cool.
But you know what I wanted to ask you?
I can't get weights anywhere.
They don't sell weights anymore.
unidentified
I know.
joe rogan
It's hard.
annie lederman
What do you mean?
They're sold out of weights because everyone's in quarantine.
whitney cummings
Oh, everyone's trying to get in shape.
joe rogan
Isn't that nuts?
Because no gyms are open.
That's the other thing.
California, all these gyms.
How many of these gyms are going to stay open?
whitney cummings
Did you see those ridiculous ones?
unidentified
I could do some weights.
whitney cummings
Those pods where they had, like, people were surrounded in, like, surround wrap pods working out.
unidentified
Yeah, it's so weird.
joe rogan
Unzip.
I'll get to eat some weights.
annie lederman
Yeah, great.
You tell me what I need.
whitney cummings
I have some, too.
annie lederman
You know better than me.
joe rogan
Okay.
whitney cummings
Are gyms ever going to be the same?
joe rogan
Well, no.
First of all, yeah, maybe, but three years from now.
It's going to take a while for people to get over this shit.
annie lederman
Also, the online stuff, I think that a lot of things can exist online, and it sucks because it's harder with willpower, I think.
Doing a yoga class on a Zoom is very difficult for me.
whitney cummings
And also for me, I like taking classes because I get competitive as shit, and I want to beat the person next to me.
It's just part of my motivation, whether it's healthy or not, or the instructor yelling at you or whatever, trying to impress somebody or whatever the fuck, you know?
joe rogan
You're not going to get that from Zoom.
It's like Zoom comedy, right?
Mark Norman said it was like methadone comedy.
whitney cummings
It's like we have worked our whole lives to get precise timing and a two second delay changes fucking everything.
It's like second by second.
annie lederman
I was doing comedy out of the window.
At the store.
And it was like, you couldn't have it at the same time.
And they ended up not being able to do it because of regulation stuff.
But they had to have a 10 second delay.
And it was, well, I was doing like a podcast with Eleanor Kerrigan, my fucking angel.
And we were like joking and stuff.
But that delay, so I would say something that I was like, this is going to fucking land, right?
And then so she'd be talking, I'd be half listening to her and looking at, waiting 10 seconds, like one Mississippi, two Mississippi.
And then I'd look and it would bomb and I'm like, fuck!
It wasn't good.
whitney cummings
It's amazing how we're so conditioned to have that immediate gratification, that like, clap.
And then just even on Zoom, like doing like talk shows or Zoom podcasts, which I really do not like doing, just that one second fucks up the flow and the chemistry of everything.
joe rogan
It's also, there's an energy that people have when they're in the room with you.
unidentified
That's right.
joe rogan
Like, that's one of the things that comedy does that people don't talk about.
It's like a hypnosis thing going on.
There's a sharing of energy, the laughs, or you're physically feeling them.
annie lederman
You're not going to get that.
It's a symbiotic relationship.
It's like we do need each other.
whitney cummings
And also the energy that the audience gets from each other being shoulder to shoulder with another person that contagious and also like the home court advantage of you're in my fucking house.
You're in your bed snuggled up, cozy, like with a pillow.
annie lederman
With other options, by the way, where you could just be looking at something else at any time.
joe rogan
I try to explain to non-comics that if you watch a comedy special, like someone's comedy special, That's maybe 70% as good as seeing them live.
annie lederman
Very rarely translates.
joe rogan
First of all it's tough because filming a special is kind of tense so you're not loose and when you're loose you're funny so it's hard for people to be loose and then it's also weird because The fucking not being in the room thing is like 30 or 40%.
It's like this feeling that you get when you're there, when you're like, you're going to see someone live, you're there, you're having fun, it's all happening, it's right now.
whitney cummings
You're high, yeah.
joe rogan
It's right there, but when you're watching at home, you're just sitting back and you're alone.
whitney cummings
I always try to cut out a lot of applause breaks and stuff on specials, because at home you're just- Yeah, she cuts out the applause breaks.
joe rogan
You know, all the standing ovations just got a bit much.
whitney cummings
No, but I just mean when they're there, they're going to laugh a little longer at home.
They're like, haha, now move on.
You know what I mean?
You don't want to have them have to hear other people laugh.
annie lederman
I always add some in, you know?
joe rogan
That is weird, because I have heard that before.
annie lederman
I've heard people adding laugh track.
whitney cummings
Maria Bamford did a special for her parents in her living room.
annie lederman
That's so funny.
whitney cummings
We could start shooting specials for small crowds.
joe rogan
She's hilarious.
whitney cummings
She's so funny.
joe rogan
That sounds like something she would do, too.
That's very funny.
whitney cummings
She did stand-up just for her parents on the couch in their living room.
unidentified
That's so funny.
annie lederman
What a great idea.
unidentified
She's so cool.
annie lederman
I like what a uniquely herself person she is.
It's just my favorite thing in people.
joe rogan
Everybody tried COVID comedy a while ago.
Remember when...
What was the comic's name that put that special out on HBO with no audience at all?
Oh, I know who you're talking about.
Gerard Carmichael directed it.
annie lederman
Oh, no, no, I know.
joe rogan
What's that?
Fuck.
Drew Michael.
Drew Michael did a special with no audience.
annie lederman
It was weird.
He took a swing.
I always appreciate a swing.
joe rogan
It's a different thing.
There used to be live performances that weren't really stand-up.
Do you remember Eric Boghossian?
whitney cummings
Yes!
joe rogan
Yeah, he used to do these live performances that were, they were not really stand-up.
They were these things.
You know, there were these stories he would tell.
whitney cummings
Right.
joe rogan
Yeah, you remember that?
whitney cummings
Yeah, I remember that.
Do you remember there was this guy, Josh Fadum?
Did you ever know him?
annie lederman
Yes, he's so funny.
He's this wild dude.
whitney cummings
He would do crazy shit.
Like, he would go on stage and just like...
Run in place and it was like so weird and like not funny and then he would just like keep doing it and like people start walking out and then he was just like keep running in place and then by three minutes in you're dying laughing and you have no idea why.
annie lederman
Yeah he'll do a thing where he like accidentally fucks up the mic and it falls apart and he's like But it's so funny.
It gets tangled up in it.
You want to hate it.
Honestly, as a comic, I'm looking at your face.
You want to hate it.
But it's charmingly funny.
whitney cummings
It's just some weird thought exercise or performance art or something.
annie lederman
Reggie Watts, too.
He learned how to make sounds funny.
joe rogan
Reggie can do so many different things.
The thing about Reggie is he's like...
annie lederman
Josh Fadum's big moment was the 10 second clip.
It looked like there was a shooting at a fucking comedy club.
That was the worst video I've ever seen.
joe rogan
You can even see them.
What kind of lights are they?
annie lederman
Josh, you had a shot and Jamie really blew it for you.
whitney cummings
That and Mitzi Short's Sex Dungeon?
What was that video?
joe rogan
The darkness of the stage is confusing.
annie lederman
Did you like how dark the main room got?
Do you remember what I'm talking about?
When they just, the week before?
whitney cummings
Then they put those lights up, those crazy LED lights.
Yeah, I think I liked it.
annie lederman
I was getting used to it.
The pictures looked beautiful that Troy was taking.
joe rogan
When do you guys think it comes back?
We're all guessing.
Everything we're talking about.
whitney cummings
I had booked the La Jolla Comedy Store for two weeks and shut down.
annie lederman
Um...
I think it's going to be six months to a year.
Full year.
whitney cummings
I just moved my tour to fall 2021. Theaters.
If someone can figure out the ventilation system, if there's some...
I don't know why we're not figuring this out.
joe rogan
Well, if someone comes up with a rapid test, that's going to fix everything.
whitney cummings
That's right.
joe rogan
Rapid test.
You test someone as they're walking in.
It's a long-ass line.
Line's going to take a lot longer than it will.
Normally, but you could have holding rooms.
whitney cummings
Right.
annie lederman
It would be amazing.
You would completely get rid of the virus if you could do that.
whitney cummings
But how long is it going to take for our emotional trauma to heal?
Remember the days when you would just be in a comedy club and a waitress in the dark would hand you a drink with a straw and you just put it right in your mouth?
annie lederman
Everything's going to be different.
Our whole earth is going to be different.
whitney cummings
I mean, imagine just taking a drink from a girl at a bar and putting it in your mouth.
joe rogan
Fauci was saying that we're not going to be able to shake hands anymore.
annie lederman
We're not going to be able to date rape drug people anymore.
It's so upsetting.
You can't slip me the drug anymore.
whitney cummings
I mean, it's like, what is this doing to our brains just in terms of like...
joe rogan
It's making us go closer and closer to virtual reality.
whitney cummings
Yeah.
annie lederman
For sure.
But don't you think it's like an ego death?
I feel like we've all been forced into this epic dose of mushrooms that we didn't mean to take.
And it's like everyone has to face their mortality, which I think is all we're doing all day anyway.
unidentified
Yeah.
annie lederman
But it's now, it's like, oh, we're watching death.
There's the death of our...
Of being entertained.
There's the death of going out.
There's the death of meeting people.
The death of shaking hands.
The death of actual people.
whitney cummings
And I think it was Tim Dillon and I were talking about how like 9-11, everyone's like comparing this to 9-11 in some ways and the fact that it's just like a trauma.
But 9-11 like brought us together, you know?
It was like there was this like, let's go out till two in the morning.
They're not going to fucking win.
And everyone was instantly friends with each other.
And now everyone's instant enemies with each other.
unidentified
I walked down the street and people were like, where the fuck The mask stuff is so funny.
annie lederman
People are so crazy.
The mask stuff is crazy.
whitney cummings
Their default is fuck you.
joe rogan
It's like outside in the sun.
Like, hey man, it's not even possible.
You don't even know what this is.
annie lederman
Dude, there was a guy, I went to Venice Beach, and there was a guy in a wheelchair who, and I used to work with kids with special needs, so I always like to make eye contact and say hello to people in wheelchairs.
whitney cummings
Don't blow past the one sentence that makes you the most likable.
annie lederman
Oh, I was a special ed.
Whatever, no big deal.
I'm a hero.
Gave it up to tell dick jokes, to do God's work.
So I always like to acknowledge, because people don't want to be rude, so they don't want to stare, and then they're never looked at, they're never talked about.
That's why I'm always like, do jokes about people in wheelchair.
Make them a part of things.
whitney cummings
Right, because if they're equal, you'll joke about them.
annie lederman
Of course, yeah.
It's like, there's no punching down.
Like, shut the fuck up.
But so, I was doing my little, like, aren't I a good citizen?
Like, I contacted this guy and he goes...
We're a fucking mascot!
And I was like, oh, okay.
unidentified
And it was because I gave him the icon deck.
annie lederman
It was so funny.
It was one of my vlog days, my new vlog, only on Patreon.
And it was like, I just turned the thing off because I didn't want to focus on...
I didn't want to be like, I'm videotaping a guy in a wheelchair, but it literally was the funniest thing that's ever happened.
whitney cummings
It's amazing that cunt is the most offensive word, but if someone calls me a cunt, it's so funny.
unidentified
I think of my dad.
I'm like, daddy!
whitney cummings
It's so funny.
We need a new word, because if a guy calls me a cunt, I'll start laughing.
joe rogan
I think it still works on enough women, though.
There's not enough herd immunity.
We need herd immunity for cunts.
unidentified
I know, I've got the antibodies because I've been in comedy.
whitney cummings
If a guy calls you a cunt, it's just so funny to me.
annie lederman
That's what we were saying the other night.
Someone said cunt, and both of us were like, Dad!
joe rogan
It's such a good word.
annie lederman
It's so good.
It's short.
It's cutting.
joe rogan
It's got a T at the end of it.
whitney cummings
I still like bitch.
Bitch is still pretty good for me.
If someone calls me bitch, I'm like, damn.
joe rogan
Bitch is softer than cunt, though.
whitney cummings
Yeah, for sure.
joe rogan
As a sound.
The thing about cunt is the sound.
whitney cummings
The T. That is sharp.
It's razor sharp.
Calling a guy a cunt is always good.
He's such a cunt.
joe rogan
I love that word.
I use it 90% of the time for men.
Yeah, I call it men cunts.
whitney cummings
But if a guy calls me a bitch, there's something so 90s about it.
There's something so retro about it.
joe rogan
When you go to England and Australia, though, they toss it around like a beach ball.
That's what's weird.
whitney cummings
And then bitch is their cunt, right?
joe rogan
I don't know.
What is their cunt?
annie lederman
Fanny is their pussy.
joe rogan
They don't use it that much for girls, though.
They use it for each other.
whitney cummings
It's a term of endearment.
joe rogan
Yeah, it's a jokey term.
Like, hey, what's up, fucker?
Like, hey, man, what's up, cunt?
He's a good cunt.
Like, he's a good cunt is a normal thing for them to say.
annie lederman
It feels like, are you fucking cunt?
joe rogan
They come over here, and they realize that, oh, Jesus, I've got to remap my language.
Because cunt is like a different thing over here.
It's dangerous.
whitney cummings
The one that gets me is fuckface.
annie lederman
I can't think of one that gets me.
There is one, but I can't think of...
joe rogan
Fuckface you can get away with, too.
But it's got so much power.
Fuckface.
whitney cummings
The thing that throws me, actually, is when other women call me hooker or whore.
When a girl's like, hey whore, I'm like, Jesus.
That always disorganizes me.
joe rogan
Well, what if it's your friend?
whitney cummings
So it's like, hey hooker, hey slut.
joe rogan
Girls were doing that for a while.
They were calling each other hooker.
annie lederman
Well, sometimes I'll be like, you're a slut.
Sometimes it's like, wow, you are a fucking slut.
Yeah, but you're doing it to be funny.
whitney cummings
We're saying guys can't call us this, but no wonder they're confused.
annie lederman
Whitney, if you don't want that anymore, close your legs.
You've been shitting like a whore the whole time.
Are you being a boy or a whore?
whitney cummings
These chairs, I think it's like ergonomic chairs.
I think they're to give birth in or something.
I don't know what's happening.
unidentified
They're very good for your back.
Is this a Sibian?
whitney cummings
What's happening?
joe rogan
These chairs are the best.
whitney cummings
Yeah, I feel like I get out of here and my posture is always like so much better.
joe rogan
So I think we came to a serious conclusion that you guys need your own show.
Like legitimately.
annie lederman
Okay.
whitney cummings
What are we going to do here?
joe rogan
I think you legitimately need to do it.
annie lederman
Can we have the sauna too and everything?
unidentified
Okay.
joe rogan
Just have it.
whitney cummings
And what are we going to do?
Are we going to take calls or give advice?
joe rogan
I'm really careful what I say.
annie lederman
Yeah, maybe we trauma bond when someone calls in and we trauma bond with them.
joe rogan
You guys need like a neon sign behind you.
annie lederman
I want a neon sign that says Annie fucking Letterman's so bad behind me on my podcast.
I want it so bad.
whitney cummings
We can call it the Annie Letterman podcast.
I do want to make you famous.
annie lederman
If anybody wants to...
Buy me that neon.
Pay for my eggs to get frozen.
whitney cummings
I'll pay to freeze your eggs, or you can have my frozen eggs.
annie lederman
How much does it cost to freeze your eggs?
whitney cummings
20 grand.
joe rogan
Wow, that's pretty cheap.
annie lederman
That's cheap to you?
To freeze eggs?
You guys are so cool.
My friends are so rich.
whitney cummings
To freeze eggs?
unidentified
Yeah, I thought it was a really prohibitively expensive...
annie lederman
If it's a boy, you can name it, and if it's a girl, you can name it.
joe rogan
I'm gonna name it Butch.
annie lederman
It will be.
whitney cummings
I'm going to name it Cunts.
And his little frozen cunts.
joe rogan
And his little frozen cunts.
unidentified
That should be the name of your next special.
annie lederman
Oh my god.
joe rogan
And you do a special about getting your eggs frozen.
whitney cummings
I'm going to name it Fisty.
Do you want kids?
annie lederman
Maybe.
whitney cummings
Yeah.
You should have a kid.
annie lederman
Maybe.
I feel like I'd be a really...
I think I went through so much...
I think I'd be a really good mom.
My nieces are, like, my fucking favorite.
My nephews, too.
I love them so much.
I don't want to say I don't...
But I talk to my nieces and nephews every day.
unidentified
Yeah.
annie lederman
I love them.
whitney cummings
Yeah.
annie lederman
My niece is eight.
We've been...
We just started becoming pen pals.
whitney cummings
Yeah.
annie lederman
I have this video for me.
It came!
The letter K! It's like so cute.
whitney cummings
Now that the mail is going to be canceled.
annie lederman
Well, they don't.
I know.
Just when we became...
That's adorable.
And my little niece, who's four, she...
Oh, my God.
My eight-year-old sent me...
I gave her a snow globe of Hollywood.
And I was like, whenever you miss me...
They're in Boston.
I'm like, whenever you miss me, just think about...
And so she sent me...
It was four years ago.
I sent it to her.
And she sent me a picture of the snow globe.
And she goes, I think about you all the time, Auntie.
unidentified
I miss you so much.
annie lederman
It's like...
I'm going to get those rapid tests.
whitney cummings
There is something that happens.
That biological clock shit's real.
I look at babies and I'm like, I want to fucking put that baby in my mouth.
annie lederman
I also look at that.
whitney cummings
Sorry.
unidentified
Not in this climate, Whitney.
annie lederman
Not with our peers.
whitney cummings
I have like a compulsion.
unidentified
I just want to squeeze them.
annie lederman
I don't want to miss out on the experience.
We are on this earth to have kids.
It doesn't look that fun to me.
whitney cummings
Women's only purpose is to bear children, Annie.
unidentified
You know this.
annie lederman
But it doesn't look that funny.
My friends seem very happy and tired, but it does seem like a lot.
So I have two brothers.
My twin brother has two girls, and my older brother has two boys, so I'll have a hermaphrodite.
But it's like a perfect...
It's just like they're so perfect.
whitney cummings
They're so cute.
I see other people's kids and I'm like, I want that kid.
annie lederman
I love them.
I want school to be back in session.
I think I would be.
I think it took a while.
joe rogan
You'd be a lot of fun.
You'd be a fun mom.
whitney cummings
I do have a compulsion to adopt, though.
I don't know.
I rescue animals so much that it sort of is like...
Is that kind of like getting your kid from a breeder?
joe rogan
Getting your kid from a breeder?
annie lederman
That's ridiculous.
whitney cummings
Shouldn't I adopt a kid too?
annie lederman
Wait, did you see that Sia, the singer, adopted like 18 and 19 year old two black guys?
joe rogan
Okay.
annie lederman
I don't know how you adopt a grown man.
joe rogan
She just did.
annie lederman
I didn't know you could adopt people that were over 18. Maybe they got some weird thing they're doing.
If they're not, that's weird.
unidentified
How old is she?
annie lederman
She's like 40-something, I think.
whitney cummings
Every guy you've ever dated has basically been an adoption.
I know.
You pay for them, you take care of them.
annie lederman
I like my men like I like my dogs.
whitney cummings
How many comedians do you think you've dated?
annie lederman
Um, like three.
whitney cummings
Isn't it weird that I haven't dated any comedians?
joe rogan
No, it's smart.
annie lederman
Thank you.
I honestly, and I think I'm done with it.
I'm like, I think I went through all the ones.
joe rogan
I dated one ever when I was open-miker, and I was like, oh, she's like me.
annie lederman
It is fun.
joe rogan
We can't do this.
annie lederman
It's constant bits.
It is fun.
joe rogan
She was fun.
annie lederman
It's really fun.
whitney cummings
Is there a little bit of a, like, whose bit is that?
That's mine?
unidentified
No.
annie lederman
Like, when you're in a fight?
joe rogan
I guess you could if you sort of workshopped a bit together.
annie lederman
Can I have that?
Or if you take it, I'm going to tell people you raped me.
unidentified
Sorry.
joe rogan
There's a weird relationship though when a woman comic and a male comic get together and then one of them is writing the other one's jokes and you can tell.
And you're like, oh, that's her writing.
That's his writing.
annie lederman
And I'm the worst because if I write a joke for someone, they're a If I write a joke for someone and I'm in the back of the room and someone's doing the bit and it gets the biggest laugh, obviously, because that really does happen because I'm so good.
whitney cummings
You're a great joke writer.
annie lederman
No, but I cannot help but go like, I fucking write.
I know it's so shitty, but I'm like, I'm not getting rid of it.
Snitches get stitches.
I'm like, I'm so sorry.
Gavin Newsom, do I get money if I rat out that I wrote that joke?
joe rogan
It's Garcetti is the one who wants to give you money.
whitney cummings
But have you ever dated a comedian?
I think if I was dating a comic and I saw them do poorly, I wouldn't be able to fuck them again.
joe rogan
That would be rough.
annie lederman
That would be rough.
whitney cummings
If I don't respect someone, I have a hard time.
annie lederman
Well, I wouldn't, like, yeah.
You can't, like, openly date somebody you don't respect.
joe rogan
But if you're dating a girl and she's a comic and she sucks, that is going to be rough, too, for a guy as well.
annie lederman
Right.
And then all of a sudden she gets real good.
Then she passes you using your jokes.
joe rogan
That would be rough.
annie lederman
I don't know.
It's a fun experience.
I do remember that, but you can also do that in just friendships with comics.
I just have so many people I call about jokes.
It's so fun.
whitney cummings
For me, I had some Darwinian instinct to be like, do not piss where you eat.
Do not toxify this environment.
This is the only place you feel safe.
annie lederman
That's why any of these guys, if they ever DM me, I'm always like, ew.
joe rogan
I think some girls, though, they feel like no one gets them but comics.
And that's why you see girl comics wind up with male comics.
Because, like, for a woman to be the funny one, I think there's a lot of guys that are intimidated by that.
Like, if a guy was a regular guy with a regular job and he's dating a funny comic who's going on stage murdering at the comedy store in the main room.
Like, that's hard.
annie lederman
But there's plenty of guys that don't feel that way.
joe rogan
The ones who wear a ball gag.
annie lederman
Wow, you really know how far up that ball gag goes, Joe.
unidentified
We do have to wear strap-ons.
joe rogan
It's a different kind of person, but there's a lot of guys who can't, for sure.
I mean, everybody's different, but there are a lot of guys who have a problem with the woman being the funny one.
annie lederman
Well, also, this happens a lot, where a guy who has nothing to do with comedy is really into you, and you're like, oh, great, like a man.
And then they see you do stand-up?
No, they've seen you do stand-up, and they're into it, and then they go...
You know, I always kind of wanted to get into comedy and you're like, get out of my house forever.
Get out of this car I'm living in.
Get out of this car I live in.
whitney cummings
I've had that happen so many times.
joe rogan
So they're only dating you because they wanted to get into comedy and you're established.
annie lederman
Or maybe it's both.
You know, Kurt told me this because I used to always feel like if someone hit on me...
They didn't think I was funny or something.
And he's like, they could be hitting on you because they like that you're funny.
joe rogan
But here's the difference between men and women right here and there.
Because if there was a guy and he's dating a girl and she's like, you know, I always thought about doing comedy.
The guy would be like, you should.
They'd be so stupid.
They wouldn't even realize the girl's fucking them just to get into comedy.
They would have no idea.
They'd be like, yeah, you should do it.
You're funny.
annie lederman
Yeah, go for it.
unidentified
They don't care.
joe rogan
As long as the girl lets the guy fuck her.
whitney cummings
Fuck.
joe rogan
He's going to be like, yeah, get into comedy.
I'll help you write jokes.
annie lederman
It's not even like saying, I don't want you to be a comedian.
It's just saying, I don't want to date an open-miker.
Of course!
So you're going to humiliate me by being the worst comedian in the room?
joe rogan
This is the difference between men and women.
If a girl's hot, a guy will still fuck her, even if she's an open-miker.
unidentified
Yeah, yeah, yeah.
joe rogan
You'll take her to the show.
If you're some dude who's a headliner on the road, and you're doing theaters, and you've got this really pretty girlfriend who all of a sudden wants to be a comic, you're like, eh.
whitney cummings
Why not?
I think I fucked myself a couple times because I always felt like, okay, don't emasculate this guy, laugh at his jokes.
So I would laugh at his jokes that weren't funny, and then he'd be like, well, if she thinks I'm funny, I must be hilarious.
unidentified
I'm too on the spectrum.
whitney cummings
Then he'd want to start doing stand-up.
annie lederman
I'm too on the spectrum to do that.
I have a lot of trouble fake laughing.
Really?
I'm like, my face is like, I look at them.
I remember Tony once being like, I see what you're doing, you're not laughing.
And I was like, Tony, it just was too punny in this moment, and I just can't fake laugh.
unidentified
What?
annie lederman
Not that Tony's not the fucking funny.
joe rogan
He's the emperor of puns.
No one has better puns than Tony Hinchcliffe.
annie lederman
Over this quarantine, I've gotten so close with Tony.
I get him.
I love him.
joe rogan
He's awesome.
annie lederman
I accept his craziness.
whitney cummings
I remember before, I remember when Tony smoked.
Didn't he go vegan?
Isn't he vegan now or something?
joe rogan
Yeah, he was vegan and then he started eating meat.
whitney cummings
I remember when he was in bad shape.
I remember when he was a door guy and he was like a mess and I used to yell at him to stop smoking cigarettes.
joe rogan
He thought that being vegan was going to help his health.
He lost a lot of weight.
Yeah, but he doesn't need to lose weight.
whitney cummings
He's such a thin guy.
joe rogan
He's got a crazy metabolism.
He can eat everything and just burns off him.
annie lederman
He's going to be so happy we're talking about him.
joe rogan
I love that dude.
He knows I love him though.
annie lederman
Do you know who Mitch Burrows is?
He's at the Comedy Store too.
He's so funny.
He's a door guy.
He's so funny though.
He's one of the guys that, like, that's his way into the comedy story.
joe rogan
Well, we were talking about that when we were doing the documentary, too.
It's one of the coolest things about the store is that everybody gets treated like a comic.
The door people, the people that work the cover booth, it doesn't matter.
If you're a comic, you're a comic.
And a lot of us, like, whether it's Duncan or Ari or so many of these people started out as door people.
So many guys.
So many guys.
whitney cummings
And I think the common denominator of the comic store comics is these are people that want it at all fucking costs.
People are like, you're a comic store comic, that place is toxic.
It's like, you're throwing shit around like that.
I spent from 5pm to 2 in the morning every night for like four years.
It's sort of like the amount of time we put in.
joe rogan
It's not toxic.
It's a wild place and sometimes weird shit happens there and sometimes, you know, it's annoying and sometimes people bomb and sometimes people feel like they bomb because the person before them was too gross or too this or too that.
There's a lot.
Look, it's a fucking dangerous place.
I've had shitty sets now.
annie lederman
It's a nightclub.
You remember when there was all of a sudden like a wave of white female comedians in the middle of Black Lives Matter going like, oh wait, we're victims of being treated badly by male comics.
It was just like, we don't want to post about Black Lives Matter anymore.
It's embarrassing.
It's making us uncomfortable.
whitney cummings
White women couldn't let black people have the spotlight.
annie lederman
We're the victims again.
So one girl had written something where she was like, I, you know, and I have to have male comics walk me to my car at the end of the night and it's like, okay, wait, so they're nice enough to walk to...
You're saying the night...
It's not comedy that's dangerous.
The nighttime is dangerous.
Darkness is dangerous.
joe rogan
Clubs.
Nightclubs of people drink is dangerous.
But, I mean, I would not want to be a woman.
I would not want to be someone who wants to fuck all the time.
annie lederman
It's not bad.
joe rogan
And you're walking by like...
whitney cummings
If you have personalities like us, no one wants to fuck you.
annie lederman
No, they run from you.
whitney cummings
We've been actually doing that stuff.
annie lederman
People rue the day they molested me.
I'll tell you that.
whitney cummings
Don't you worry.
We do a great job of repelling that.
joe rogan
I think it's harder.
I mean, there's some aspects of being a man, I'm sure, that are probably more difficult.
But I think, overall, the physical vulnerability part is huge.
It's definitely huge in a confidence business, right?
Because the thing about stand-up is, a lot of it, it's a confidence business.
annie lederman
Well, I definitely started...
Wanting to become a weapon.
When I started doing jiu-jitsu and stuff, I was like, this is how it's supposed to be.
And I remember during the Me Too movement and stuff, I was always like, there's something missing here where it's like a conversation with young girls about learning to stand up for yourselves and be strong.
And you would get called victim shaming.
And it's like, no, it's about you have no control over the outside world.
So protect yourself as much as you can.
unidentified
Yeah.
annie lederman
When I was a blackout drunk, I was literally, I was my own bodyguard leaving to go to the bathroom for fucking six hours and my body's just there.
It's like, you need, like, to me, it's like becoming the strongest I can be whether I'm a woman or I'm a man and like being able to, because Tate years ago was like, if I was a woman, I'd want to be the strongest woman in the world.
And I was like, Tate, I just want to be hot.
Like, what are you talking about?
whitney cummings
I'm trying to get a six pack to be cute.
annie lederman
But now I get it.
I got to that age where I went, oh yeah, like I want to be able to fuck people up if they come at me.
whitney cummings
And also I think it's like just getting your intuition on point, you know?
It's like that Gavin DeBecker book, That Gift of Fear.
I read that and it changed my life because it was like, I think when you're told for so long, I think the part that gets tricky is that insidious like, People telling you you're crazy, you're psycho, you're too emotional, you're too sensitive, like calm down, relax.
Hearing that for so long, my programming was the most fucked up thing because when I did actually feel someone being dangerous, I would override my intuition.
I'm just being dramatic or I'm just being crazy.
annie lederman
Or I don't want to accuse this person of something.
I got into trouble.
whitney cummings
In that book, he talks about all the women that he interviewed that had either been attacked or assaulted.
They always said, I knew something was fucking off about that guy.
They knew it, even though he was helping them with their groceries or opening the door for them.
They were like, my body knew there was something off about that guy.
joe rogan
I think there's something really dangerous about having a very limited amount of experience with crazy people or with dangerous people.
Because you don't know real violent people or real dangerous people.
You haven't been around them.
And so you don't know that you could just run into them.
You could take a wrong turn on 4th Street and all of a sudden there's a violent, crazy person and you don't know what they're like.
You don't know to get away.
annie lederman
And you want to be nice.
There's this instinct to be nice.
I don't know if it's taught to us or whatever, but it's like you don't want to be rude to someone.
joe rogan
You don't want to be an asshole.
annie lederman
But it's like, it doesn't, like, what I want, like, what I'm so glad I learned and what I would want to impart upon my nieces and even my nephews, it's like, your safety and your, and it doesn't even have to be physical safety, your emotional safety, your, like, what you want is the most important thing for you.
So that's why boundaries aren't bad, you know, it's just, like, set them up and, like...
whitney cummings
But for me, like, when we go through the comedy store, anyone who's ostensibly crazy, I'm usually not scared of those people.
The people advertising they're crazy, those are the people you have to worry about.
It's the quiet person in the corner you're not hearing anything from.
joe rogan
Well, a lot of times this guy's friends, right?
There's a guy who's cool, but then he's got a friend who's fucked up and he doesn't know his friend's fucked up.
And you're around this person all the time and they're slowly getting closer and closer to you.
Look, it's...
Men can be fucking really scary.
I've met a lot of men that are scary human beings and capable of violence.
When you hear about someone murdering somebody, you knew that person who murdered somebody, that's a tricky feeling.
annie lederman
But that's why building up your own shit is so important because you can't control a crazy person outside of you.
So all these things where it's like, men need to stop.
It's like, yes, of course.
But also, how do we protect ourselves?
joe rogan
It's not men, though.
It's those men.
It's the particular people that are doing these awful things to people.
The particular murderers or rapists or thieves.
It's like we have a real problem with lumping people into groups.
whitney cummings
We are so disconnected from our intuition because I'll have it sometimes like a woman will come up to me in a meet and greet and I'm like, I have a weird feeling about this person.
I can't tell you why.
I can't articulate it.
I know ostensibly the person seems really nice.
I have a weird feeling about this.
I need this person to go.
Whereas other people are grabbing me and shaking me and I feel fine.
But this person just being able to like...
joe rogan
You never fucking know.
You never know.
But we can't look at each other as groups because we're going to have blind spots.
You're going to have these believe all women blind spots or believe all men blind spots.
Those are bad.
They're bad.
whitney cummings
And some people just fixate on you, get obsessed through social media.
There was a girl that was like a runner-up on American Idol.
She was doing a meet and greet and someone just walked up and shot her.
Crazy person who thought they knew her.
I had a security issue with someone who thought they were emailing with me for four months.
They thought we had a relationship.
And when you're in that kind of situation...
annie lederman
I'm sorry about that.
joe rogan
I wanted to be you.
annie lederman
I swore it was a different Whitney.
whitney cummings
But then everything you're posting on social media feeds into their idea that they think you're talking to them.
joe rogan
There's a lot of fucking schizophrenics out there.
whitney cummings
Yeah, there's a lot of really sick people out there.
joe rogan
1% of people in this country are schizophrenic.
I think that's the right number.
See if that's the right number.
I mean...
What would you guess?
What percentage of people are schizophrenic?
whitney cummings
I love these guessing games.
These are the kind of people that are going out of their way to get evaluated.
joe rogan
Yeah, right.
There's probably more than that.
whitney cummings
Yeah, I was going to say it's probably going to be a little bit more than whatever it would be.
joe rogan
What would you think it would be, Annie?
whitney cummings
2%?
annie lederman
I don't fucking know.
whitney cummings
You should.
joe rogan
We're talking about you.
This has been a long intervention, this whole fucking show.
annie lederman
Are you talking to me or are you talking to me?
whitney cummings
Or me?
So much of this shit is so underdiagnosed though, right?
1%, 2%?
unidentified
It says estimated 1.1%.
whitney cummings
And these are just the people that have gone in for medical attention.
40% have been gone untreated.
annie lederman
I need a Jamie.
We all need a Jamie.
joe rogan
The 1.1%, they roughly estimate, they add in 40% that are untreated.
whitney cummings
And that's just the lineup at the comedy store.
joe rogan
That's 100%.
annie lederman
I gotta tell you, I have bought a lot of shirts from Boone.
I will say that.
unidentified
I love Boone.
annie lederman
I buy so many shirts.
joe rogan
He's been around a long time.
annie lederman
I was so happy to see that he wasn't...
Because you get scared about people like that.
These older weirdos where you're like, where do you live?
whitney cummings
With nothing to lose.
annie lederman
Your job is to hand people shirts where I don't even know where you got them from.
I saw him there and I was so happy.
whitney cummings
This is a walking flea market.
annie lederman
I was like, one of my crazies is still here.
joe rogan
Listen kids, let's wrap this up.
We're at more than three hours in.
whitney cummings
This is ridiculous.
annie lederman
I have to pee so bad.
whitney cummings
My water's about to break.
joe rogan
I think you guys agree, right?
You should do a show together.
You guys have epic chemistry.
It would be the best show.
whitney cummings
I'm down.
joe rogan
Two chicks shows are so hot right now.
annie lederman
I don't like you saying that right now.
whitney cummings
Like we're some sort of trend.
Two cunty chicks.
joe rogan
Two chicks.
whitney cummings
Both have problems.
annie lederman
Wait, you have to be my Jamie though.
whitney cummings
How often is it that you see female comics getting along publicly and supporting each other?
annie lederman
When they make it like this Oprah, I'm every woman shit, it's like, no, no, no, I'm not friends with all female comics just because we're automatically female comics, but I have...
Little Esther I talk to every day, I talk to you all the fucking time, Bonnie McFarlane I talk to...
whitney cummings
This is not a consensual relationship at all.
joe rogan
Those are all funny people.
That's what you have in common.
Little Esther's hilarious, Bonnie McFarlane's hilarious.
These are funny comedians.
annie lederman
They're so funny, and it's just so funny.
whitney cummings
And we don't feel competitive.
I mean, there's a lot of pitting each other against each other and competitive shit that's just like...
annie lederman
I have no interest in that.
joe rogan
Don't you think what we were talking about at the Comedy Store the other night really does hold true?
That this is the least competitive era of any era of comedy and the most supportive.
annie lederman
We're entrepreneurs.
joe rogan
Right, but we support each other because of the internet.
Because there's not a limited amount of slots.
Like this is the thing that we were talking about with Jay Leno.
Like back in his day, there was only one host of The Tonight Show.
whitney cummings
That's right.
joe rogan
And everybody wanted that spot.
When Johnny Carson left, there's a lot of people that wanted that spot.
annie lederman
Well, there was one, then there was another, then it went back to that one.
whitney cummings
But there's also, you've shown us that helping other comics helps you.
Yeah, it helps everybody.
There's plenty of pieces of pie, you know?
annie lederman
That's why we love Papa.
We love Papa.
joe rogan
I love you guys.
annie lederman
You're so, it's like, you should be such a piece of shit.
You have so much money.
whitney cummings
How are you not a monster?
How are you so fucking crazy?
I think we should say really quick, I do think it's important to say, as we go into this next chapter of Joe Rogan, that a lot of people assume that if someone's on your podcast, that means they're famous.
You have made a lot of comedians lives by having them come on this podcast.
It's going to make me cry.
joe rogan
I'm happy to do it.
whitney cummings
I'd love to do it.
You've probably saved people's lives letting them come on this podcast.
annie lederman
I moved out of my car.
whitney cummings
Annie would be dead if it wasn't for you.
She would be sucking a dick on the side of the road.
annie lederman
I moved out of my car, but it's because they came to repossess it.
whitney cummings
She'd be fucking some guy in a wheelchair down in Venice.
But I mean, truly, I think a lot of people don't necessarily understand because this gets so many millions of views that a lot of comics you've had on here are truly homeless.
annie lederman
And he's, by the way, he's uncomfortable with this, which is because you're cool.
whitney cummings
You have truly given people careers.
You have given people their lives, their sanity, their following.
It's a family.
It's a big deal.
It's a big deal.
joe rogan
It just made sense.
It didn't seem like anything I ever had to think about.
I just wanted to help and I knew I could help.
So I would just take funny people and put them on.
whitney cummings
And you still do it.
joe rogan
I still do.
Ally was on last week.
annie lederman
Oh my god, I love Ally.
unidentified
She was awesome.
joe rogan
So now everybody knows how funny she is.
annie lederman
That's right.
joe rogan
That's what we're all supposed to do.
We used to wait for a Tonight Show or we would wait for an HBO special.
That's what we used to wait for.
We don't have to do that anymore.
We help each other.
And it helps me too because then people trust me more.
They're like, oh, he knows funny people.
These people he gets on are funny.
I'm not trying to give you a bad show.
whitney cummings
If I have someone on, it's It's like so many comedians get really famous and successful and stop hanging out with other comedians or stop helping other comedians.
We see it a lot.
joe rogan
Yeah, because everybody gets...
This is what it is.
I'll tell you because I felt it myself, but I just realized what it was and I stopped the thought process.
You get scared because you have so much.
You're like, oh my god, it's so much.
Everything's so much.
I want to keep this going in.
I want to keep this gravy train rolling.
I'm going to stop saying fucked up things.
Maybe I'm going to stop doing podcasts with comics and just concentrate on scientists.
You could really start thinking like that.
And I know people that have done it, and a lot of famous comedians, they get to a certain point, they don't want to take any chances anymore.
So they don't take chances with their material.
The things that got them to the dance, now they're avoiding.
Now they want to play it safer.
They want to slow it down a little bit.
It's just not good for you.
And I saw it, though.
I felt it.
I felt it as the podcast started ramping up.
You just gotta keep doing it.
The way to do it is you get high, you get drunk sometimes, you talk shit, you have fun.
Snort some K. You talk to scientists, you talk to really interesting people that are authors and adventurers.
You just do what you did.
That's all I'm doing.
But to be able to help comics is probably the best part of it.
It's really cool.
I love watching it happen.
I love watching people have a career, you know?
Because I know they can.
All of us that are good, you get to a certain point where you're making people laugh and you're good if you're dedicated to it, you can have a career.
You just need to somehow or another be...
Like, not even mentor, just someone opens the door for you.
Someone says, come on in.
Show everybody how cool you are.
whitney cummings
And you also pioneered a sort of career and an art form that a lot of people wouldn't have known to do that have given them their livelihood.
A lot of comedians who weren't going to get that five-minute spot on The Tonight Show.
A lot of those comedians who weren't going to get that sitcom.
Like, you paved a new route for comics.
annie lederman
But also, what if you didn't have a podcast and then none of us had podcasts and then this fucking quarantine happened and we would just be like...
whitney cummings
Like sitting around waiting for auditions or some shit.
joe rogan
Segura called me up.
He's like, thank God you talked me into doing a podcast.
annie lederman
Well, Donnell too.
Donnell was like, you started in the car right after or before you did your show.
whitney cummings
You're truly feeding people's kids.
joe rogan
Everybody who's a comic.
annie lederman
You're feeding my eggs.
whitney cummings
You're frozen eggs.
joe rogan
If you have the ability to do a podcast, why wouldn't you?
Why wouldn't you let people know more about how you think and more about what you're interested in?
annie lederman
It's so interesting, because my podcast is only like, I have like 30 something episodes and it's, you know, sometimes I interview and sometimes I don't, but there's people, it's all been all comics.
joe rogan
What's it called, Annie?
unidentified
Let her know.
annie lederman
It's called Meanspiration.
whitney cummings
We know you're very shy and you don't want to promote your stuff.
annie lederman
It's on YouTube.
I'm not aggressive.
No, but I want to start doing more.
There's these people who have therapy podcasts and stuff and these different types of people that I would love to interview.
I want to do more of the people that I love rather than just comedians or whatever.
whitney cummings
I have a podcast too, but I'm pretty successful, so follow Annie's instead.
I have enough money.
annie lederman
This is what her podcast is called.
Bop, bop, bop.
whitney cummings
It's called Good For You, but Annie needs it more, so give it to her.
annie lederman
Bop.
I have to pee so bad.
joe rogan
Okay, let's wrap this up.
Everybody has to pee.
unidentified
I love you.
joe rogan
I love you too.
Thanks for doing this.
unidentified
Thank you so much.
joe rogan
I'm glad you guys are going to do this podcast.
I'm going to help.
annie lederman
It's going to be good.
joe rogan
I love it.
annie lederman
Can't wait.
joe rogan
Goodbye, everybody.
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