June 2, 2020 - The Joe Rogan Experience
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| No better person to be here at the end of the world than you, Reggie Watts. | ||
| No finer human being to share this spectacular, chaotic time. | ||
| Thanks for being here, brother. | ||
| Thank you, man. | ||
| My pleasure. | ||
| Thanks for having me. | ||
| I'm glad I made it. | ||
| You were saying, let's do all the things. | ||
| Let's do the pandemic. | ||
| Let's do the riots. | ||
| Everything's happening at the same time. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| We're going to space. | ||
| We're in space. | ||
| We made it to space. | ||
| We just need like some kind of a meteor. | ||
| Like a meteor that's going to be here in like a month. | ||
| But we have to decide what to do. | ||
| Well, it would be rioting. | ||
| We'd be out of control. | ||
| Yes. | ||
| Apparently, according to Nick Swartzen, there's some crazy UFO sightings over Idaho. | ||
| What? | ||
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What? | |
| I haven't heard anything about this, but he said there's some nutty UFO sightings over Idaho. | ||
| They might be coming in to end this experiment. | ||
| They might be like, you fucking crazy chimp. | ||
| We tried. | ||
| We tried to let you guys sort it out, but you're not sorting out shit. | ||
| You guys are getting worse. | ||
| I know. | ||
| I remember I was asked a question like, what do you think humanity will have? | ||
| If there was on a gravestone, what would it say on humanity's gravestone? | ||
| And I said, well, we tried. | ||
| He gave the old college try. | ||
| Yeah, we gave it a shot. | ||
| We tried. | ||
| We really tried. | ||
| It's such a strange time, man. | ||
| And it keeps getting stranger. | ||
| It's like, did you see that in India, the monkeys stole the coronavirus samples from the lab? | ||
| Yes. | ||
| Totally. | ||
| A gang of monkeys that were like, give me that. | ||
| And they gave it to them. | ||
| But the funny thing is, they didn't get into it, so they actually were able to keep the specimens intact. | ||
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Oh, really? | |
| Which I thought was kind of crazy, yeah. | ||
| Oh, I wonder what the monkeys thought it was. | ||
| I don't know. | ||
| They were probably just like, well, the way they're holding it looks important. | ||
| I better take it. | ||
| Yeah, well, they do that, apparently. | ||
| And then you can give them food and they'll give it back to you. | ||
| They'll make deals. | ||
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Yeah, yeah, yeah. | |
| Oh, the barter? | ||
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Yeah, yeah, yeah. | |
| They make deals. | ||
| Depending on the monkeys, depending on the territory. | ||
| But if you're used to deals with people... | ||
| That's so... | ||
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Yeah. | |
| Oh, they're so smart, man. | ||
| Yeah, I know. | ||
| They're, like, really dumb people. | ||
| Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. | ||
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You know? | |
| Yeah, which is saying a lot. | ||
| It's crazy. | ||
| Like, dumb people. | ||
| Because they'll fucking... | ||
| Did you see the one where the monkey ran, used the motorcycle, and rode up to the baby and stole the baby? | ||
| What? | ||
| Oh, my goodness. | ||
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Are you serious? | |
| You must pull this one up. | ||
| Bro, it is the crazy... | ||
| I don't... | ||
| I think it was in... | ||
| I don't want to say Indonesia. | ||
| It was also on a leash. | ||
| I don't know if you noticed that. | ||
| The monkey was on a leash? | ||
| Yeah, somebody had him, like, buy... | ||
| That's why it came back so fast. | ||
| Oh. | ||
| But it was throttling, though? | ||
| It was like... | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| The monkey rode a motorcycle down this alley. | ||
| Two of these people that were sitting there grabs a baby and starts dragging the baby away. | ||
| Watch this. | ||
| Here it goes. | ||
| See, here's the monkey on the motorcycle. | ||
| Hold on, do it from the beginning. | ||
| I did, I did. | ||
| He rode up on a motorcycle? | ||
| Yeah, yeah, yeah, but do it from the beginning so he can see it. | ||
| Watch this. | ||
| See? | ||
| On the motorcycle. | ||
| Pulls up, jumps off, grabs that baby. | ||
| Just grabs him and is pulling the baby away. | ||
| I mean, first of all, how fucking strong are monkeys? | ||
| Yeah, they're really strong. | ||
| I like how casual the dude is, though. | ||
| The guy is like, hey, try not to have your monkey take my baby away. | ||
| Jamie, where do you see this leash? | ||
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I don't see a leash. | |
| It's getting dragged away? | ||
| No. | ||
| The monkey's getting dragged away. | ||
| It's not walking away. | ||
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Oh! | |
| Oh! | ||
| Watch the monkey. | ||
| It's getting dragged, too. | ||
| Oh, it's just holding... | ||
| He's holding on to the baby, and he's being dragged. | ||
| Is that 100% sure? | ||
| Oh, that's crazy. | ||
| It's not walking away with the baby. | ||
| Yeah, because he's being yanked, and he's trying to go for the kid. | ||
| So the guy's trying to probably get him away from the kid. | ||
| That's insane. | ||
| And that's probably why the guy's so casual, too. | ||
| I mean, I still don't know why he's being casual about that, but... | ||
| Wow. | ||
| What the fuck, man? | ||
| That's so terrifying. | ||
| And you know that kid's gonna grow up and go like, yeah, that happened, you know, a lot of stuff happens. | ||
| That makes sense, because otherwise, how the fuck would a monkey know how to ride a motorcycle if somebody had to teach that monkey? | ||
| Definitely. | ||
| There's not like monkeys going like, gosh, someday I can't wait to ride a motorcycle. | ||
| But maybe if monkeys saw, like, it's a small motorcycle, too, right? | ||
| It's like a little kid's motorcycle. | ||
| Yeah, like, probably electric. | ||
| If someone saw, like a monkey saw a person do something, a monkey could probably copy it. | ||
| Sure, sure. | ||
| There's a photo, I don't know if you've ever seen it. | ||
| Monkeys see, monkey do. | ||
| That stuff's good, right? | ||
| Yeah, this stuff is really good. | ||
| Kilcliffe's the shit. | ||
| 25 milligrams of CBD and it's delicious. | ||
| There's a photograph, a famous photograph of a orangutan that is spearfishing. | ||
| And it learned how to do it by watching people. | ||
| Look at this monkey! | ||
| He's getting after it. | ||
| Oh my gosh, that's so cool. | ||
| Wow. | ||
| That's so rad. | ||
| It's in Asia? | ||
| Indonesia. | ||
| So it is Indonesia. | ||
| I think that's what they were saying the other one was. | ||
| See if you can find the photo of the orangutan that's spearfishing. | ||
| So it's hanging from a branch with a spear and sticking it into the water to stab a fish, just like it's seen humans do. | ||
| Because that's how the people fish there. | ||
| Right. | ||
| So the orangutans are like, huh, I think I got that. | ||
| I think I got it. | ||
| They're a wild orangutan. | ||
| Spearfishing. | ||
| That's so crazy to me. | ||
| Well, they've said that they believe that primates, particularly some monkeys and some chimps, are in the Stone Age now. | ||
| I see, I see, I see. | ||
| They're starting to use tools. | ||
| They're entering into the Stone Age. | ||
| See, look at that photo. | ||
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Wow. | |
| How dope is that? | ||
| Wow. | ||
| That's crazy! | ||
| Ah, that's amazing. | ||
| Look how he's hanging with his feet and his hands. | ||
| Yeah, man. | ||
| And just stabbing into the water at fish. | ||
| Planet of the apes, man. | ||
| Fuck! | ||
| It's happening. | ||
| Well, look, we've got to think. | ||
| I mean, if you believe in evolution, and I do. | ||
| I do, too. | ||
| We were that. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| Yeah, we were some form of that. | ||
| Something happened. | ||
| Something happened that caused us to divert. | ||
| What's going to happen if they start talking to us? | ||
| I don't know, but you know something we're gonna figure out some kind of a computer that's able to like read every tiny micro movement and interpret it right into words, right? | ||
| You know, and they'll be like mood and then just words. | ||
| Yeah, like, oh, I think it's saying this and it's just gonna get better and better and better What was that gorilla that they taught sign language was her name? | ||
| Was that Jane Goodall? | ||
| She was the one and she used sign language with primates. | ||
| Yeah, but there was one that was really good at it. | ||
| Oh, in the zoo? | ||
| I don't know if it was in the zoo or if it was in some sort of a research center. | ||
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I see. | |
| But there was one gorilla that could really talk up a storm. | ||
| Like had like pretty... | ||
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Cocoa? | |
| Cocoa, that's right. | ||
| Oh yeah, Cocoa, that's right. | ||
| Yeah, had conversations with sign language. | ||
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Whew. | |
| That's so heavy. | ||
| I know. | ||
| Yeah, look at this. | ||
| Oh, Robin Williams hung out with her? | ||
| Whoa. | ||
| Hey, Mr. Rogers. | ||
| Aw, Mr. Rogers. | ||
| Imagine... | ||
| Whoa, look at her. | ||
| Look at her head. | ||
| I mean, imagine if... | ||
| Yeah, it's so crazy. | ||
| Have you ever seen the Humanzi? | ||
| No. | ||
| Oh, I'm going to blow you away. | ||
| There was this one weird chimp that they were really confused about it. | ||
| They actually thought it might be a hybrid between a human and a chimp. | ||
| Because I want to say this was like the 50s or the 60s. | ||
| It was really freaky. | ||
| And this lady kept it. | ||
| And I think they eventually had to bring it to some sort of a rescue center because it developed a very unhealthy sexual relationship with this lady. | ||
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Oh, wow. | |
| It wanted a fucker and was real jealous of other people coming by. | ||
| What? | ||
| Yeah, that's what happens. | ||
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That's crazy. | |
| Of course. | ||
| Of course. | ||
| Yeah, territorial. | ||
| Yeah, yeah, yeah. | ||
| They say that's what happened to that lady that had that big chimp in Connecticut. | ||
| Remember that? | ||
| Yes. | ||
| When it bit her friend's face off? | ||
| Yes. | ||
| Her friend was cock-blocking. | ||
| Whoa! | ||
| Heavy. | ||
| And she might actually fuck that chimp, because she used to sleep in the bed with it, and she gave that chimp Xanax and red wine. | ||
| Which, probably not... | ||
| This Humanzy thing? | ||
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Yeah. | |
| Humanzy. | ||
| I... can't find accuracy of it. | ||
| It says there was an unsuccessful attempt to create such a thing. | ||
| No, no, no. | ||
| It is not. | ||
| It's just a chimp. | ||
| It's just a weird-looking chimp. | ||
| Oh, okay. | ||
| But one of the weird parts about it is that it liked to walk on two feet. | ||
| Like to walk on two feet and it looked like a person. | ||
| It looked like a person fucked a chimp. | ||
| Yeah, look at him. | ||
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Oh, wow. | |
| Dude, it's creepy. | ||
| Yeah, get a look. | ||
| Oh yeah, I have seen a picture. | ||
| It's creepy. | ||
| Of this person. | ||
| Go to that one in the far, go to the second row, second to the far left, the black and white one. | ||
| Oh, this one? | ||
| Yeah, that one. | ||
| Look at that one. | ||
| What in the fuck, man? | ||
| Wow, that is... | ||
| I want to think it says his name was Oliver. | ||
| Yeah, that's what it's saying. | ||
| Yeah, so its name was Oliver. | ||
| But look at the weird facial expression, particularly in that one image. | ||
| Now as he got older, he looked more and more just like a chimp. | ||
| But one of the weird things about him, see if you can find a video of it, Oliver the Humanzi. | ||
| He used to walk on his back feet. | ||
| So it was real creepy. | ||
| And so that's part of the reason why there was all the speculation that maybe it was like some sort of a hybrid. | ||
| It makes sense that there would be, like, definitely a, um, there's gotta be outliers, you know, because so much genetic information is shared between, like, all of the animals on the planet, including us, and we have bits and pieces of all of it. | ||
| Bro. | ||
| Oh my gosh, interesting. | ||
| Weird. | ||
| Yeah, could be an outlier. | ||
| Yeah, well, they did a DNA test on it because it had a very bald face as well. | ||
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Yeah. | |
| Which is one of the other reasons why I think they had some speculation there was some human in it. | ||
| But they found out it was just a chimp, just a weird chimp. | ||
| Yeah, just like a, yeah, just a unique. | ||
| Yeah, so bizarre. | ||
| Yeah, super strange. | ||
| But I mean, you got to think, if human beings, they think in this form that we're at, we've only been around in this form for somewhere in the neighborhood of 250,000 to 450,000 years or something like that. | ||
| They don't really know. | ||
| But I think on the short end, it's like a quarter million years. | ||
| That's not that long. | ||
| Oh, no. | ||
| I mean, it's weird if you look at the evolutionary, like the lines, we just go. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| It's just a departure. | ||
| Something happened. | ||
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Aliens. | |
| I know. | ||
| I personally- It's my favorite thing to think of. | ||
| It's my 90%. | ||
| I always go to the 90%. | ||
| I'm 10% wrong, but I'm also 90% probably. | ||
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Yeah. | |
| When I'm high, I'm 100%. | ||
| Yeah, something. | ||
| Something alien. | ||
| I mean, mushrooms are aliens, you know? | ||
| I think so. | ||
| You know, they probably came from other places in the universe. | ||
| There's probably a bunch of lichens, you know, like hybrid fungus and molds, you know, that work synergistically. | ||
| Whatever. | ||
| Who knows? | ||
| I mean... | ||
| Well, psilocybin can survive. | ||
| The spores can survive in a vacuum. | ||
| Oh, really? | ||
| They can survive in the vacuum of space. | ||
| Oh, man. | ||
| They can survive in extreme temperatures and extreme cold. | ||
| Interesting. | ||
| So the idea of panspermia, you know, that idea that building blocks of life came from asteroidal impacts. | ||
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Right. | |
| They think that it's really possible that some sort of fungus could exist on an asteroid. | ||
| We have chunks of the moon in Antarctica and other parts of the world where some big asteroid hits or a meteor hits the moon, a big chunk flies off, it gets sucked into our gravity and slams into Earth. | ||
| And if that can happen, you can get some fungus on that, some sort of spores. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| I mean, because water bears survive in space as well. | ||
| Yep. | ||
| And those are, like, more complex. | ||
| They're weird. | ||
| Those tardigrades? | ||
| What a weird-looking fucking animal that thing is. | ||
| I know. | ||
| It's just like a... | ||
| You know, it's the stuff that you don't want to look too much at when you are tripping. | ||
| Because it gives me existential dread. | ||
| Because then I'm like, I don't know what I am anymore. | ||
| I don't know what any of us are. | ||
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Look at its face! | |
| Look at that tardigrade's face. | ||
| I mean, it's so... | ||
| It's awesome. | ||
| It's such a... | ||
| It looks like it's made of, like, cardboard. | ||
| You know, like someone shaped it with, like, paper mache. | ||
| Or velvet. | ||
| Yeah, or velvet. | ||
| Like a velvet balloon. | ||
| It's... | ||
| It's just an amazing... | ||
| Yeah, I mean, life is... | ||
| It's got, like, a buzzsaw tube for a nose. | ||
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Yeah, it's... | |
| Like, it's mouth. | ||
| It's like, what a fucking freaky-looking nose. | ||
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I know. | |
| What is it? | ||
| A mouth, I guess? | ||
| How does it even sense? | ||
| It's like, I guess it just must be moving and probably... | ||
| I guess smelling nutrients. | ||
| And nothing kills them other than like squashing them, right? | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| They're really really really small. | ||
| Yeah, they're really really tiny tiny and they can exist in space. | ||
| Can you see them with the human eye? | ||
| I don't think you could. | ||
| There's no way. | ||
| I mean that looks like scanning electron microscope imagery. | ||
| What a fucking weird... | ||
| And it's got little legs. | ||
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Right. | |
| Yeah. | ||
| I mean, that's what's fucked up, right? | ||
| Is that all life comes from... | ||
| I mean, the first life that we believe happened on this planet comes from a single cell. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| So it went from a single cell to multiple cells to something like that. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| And then eventually you get a whale or a dolphin. | ||
| Yeah, totally. | ||
| Or a fucking seagull. | ||
| Pick a life for him. | ||
| It's like, yeah, I mean, it never ceases to amaze me. | ||
| It just goes on and on and on, and the more that you look, you know, then you're like, they're atoms. | ||
| It's like, are they alive? | ||
| It's like, they're definitely not alive. | ||
| They're just building blocks. | ||
| But then... | ||
| What's the definition of life if it's using energy and it's creating energy? | ||
| Then there's sentience and awareness and consciousness and all that stuff, but it's all around us, man. | ||
| We're infinitely inside of it. | ||
| What is the narration saying? | ||
| Something about a special protein? | ||
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I don't know. | |
| Tardigate, they're disordered because unlike most other proteins, they don't maintain a 3D structure. | ||
| How exactly they work to protect the water bear, though, they call them water bears, still a mystery. | ||
| What's clear, though, is that it could have big implications for humans. | ||
| Yeah, great, you fucking creepy scientists. | ||
| You want to turn us into tardigrades to keep us from getting cancer. | ||
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It's like, well, if we harness the T-cells from the human being and take bits of tardigrade and we are able to integrate... | |
| We just have to get people comfortable with a new shape. | ||
| It's like, it's all science. | ||
| I mean, we really are. | ||
| We're just a big experiment ourselves. | ||
| Crazy. | ||
| Creepy looking little fuckers. | ||
| We only like what we are what we like what we look like, you know, I mean Yeah, I mean that's the kind of goes like to like what's happening like now even like with all these riots and protests and all this stuff. | ||
| It's like You know, I was talking to a friend about it My drummer Guillermo grew up similarly like mostly white culture had parent. | ||
| I mean, I'm half white half black. | ||
| So I have my French mom And my my african-american dad who was from Cleveland, Ohio and And so the mixture of the two, plus the fact that they were married in 1967, 68, and in the United States it still wasn't legal to marry interracially. | ||
| That's during my lifetime. | ||
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Yeah. | |
| How crazy is that? | ||
| If you want to talk about the history of racism, during my lifetime it was not legal for African Americans to marry white people. | ||
| That's correct, yeah. | ||
| And also, and then the Chinese had their own pathway too. | ||
| They had to like, I think they were later. | ||
| After that, huh? | ||
| I think so. | ||
| Yeah, I think so. | ||
| But it's just like all that stuff when I think about how much went on and to get me to a point at which I can just be chill and be like, oh, hey, what's up? | ||
| I'm going to go buy a snack now. | ||
| I have to think about that. | ||
| My mom reminds me all the time, thankfully. | ||
| Because I tend to operate from, I'm a human first. | ||
| And my characteristics and my character and the way that I treat other people is the primary thing that I'm working from. | ||
| And I'm aware that I look a certain way that might trigger certain people. | ||
| But that's not how I operate. | ||
| I don't operate from that. | ||
| I go for the character first. | ||
| Then if I start to detect there's something else happening, then I can modulate and figure something out. | ||
| But I don't want to constantly assume, which growing up in Montana, I would have blown. | ||
| I would have exploded if that was the way... | ||
| I was doing stuff. | ||
| Because most of the time, Montanans, even if they're kind of, I'm uncomfortable with a black person, even if that was the case, and I come up and I'm having a conversation with them, and after a while, they're like, oh, that's cool. | ||
| Oh, you helped me with my thing. | ||
| Oh, yeah, thanks a lot for, oh, that's cool. | ||
| And then we're just kind of getting along, and they didn't even realize it. | ||
| It's like a sneak attack. | ||
| What part of Montana did you grow up in? | ||
| I grew up in Great Falls. | ||
| What's that near? | ||
| What's a big city that's near? | ||
| There's no big cities. | ||
| What's the closest? | ||
| The closest would be the capital, Helena. | ||
| Oh, okay. | ||
| But Grey Falls, I think, is bigger than Helena. | ||
| Grey Falls is about $65,000, but it's got an Air Force base, and it's got an oil refinery, and some canneries from Budweiser and Pepsi. | ||
| Were you there because someone in your family was in the military? | ||
| Yeah, my dad. | ||
| My dad was a two-time Vietnam vet. | ||
| First was in the army. | ||
| Then he left the army after four years and then applied with the Air Force. | ||
| And then went back. | ||
| And got in the Air Force and they sent him back again. | ||
| Holy shit. | ||
| Which was kind of crazy. | ||
| But then he survived it. | ||
| Moved to a base in Germany because they were decommissioning. | ||
| Remember in France we had bases. | ||
| The United States had bases. | ||
| And then Charles de Gaulle at the time was like... | ||
| We don't want your bases in here anymore. | ||
| All your bases belong to us? | ||
| All your bases belong to us, yes. | ||
| We will absorb your bases. | ||
| And the United States is like, oh, we'll get out of there first. | ||
| And we're like, okay. | ||
| But yeah, so he was helping to decommission a base. | ||
| That's how he met my mom. | ||
| Oh, wow. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| His name is Charles, and they met in a bar called the Charlie Bar, which I thought was kind of funny. | ||
| And then just decided to go to Montana because the base was there? | ||
| No, well, we were stationed for a second. | ||
| We went all over Europe. | ||
| So I was born in Stuttgart. | ||
| Then we moved around Spain, Italy, I think. | ||
| Yeah, Spain and Italy. | ||
| And then when I was four years old, we had a choice of two places to go to. | ||
| And they picked Montana because Montana had a better school system or something at the time. | ||
| And then I moved there when I was four. | ||
| And I wasn't even a citizen. | ||
| I was a citizen of nothing until I was four years old or five years old. | ||
| Yeah, so I was a non-citizen. | ||
| How weird is that? | ||
| That's really weird. | ||
| But it's not weird. | ||
| It is weird. | ||
| Yeah, it's not weird because of the circumstances. | ||
| Well, it's not weird because you're a human being on Earth. | ||
| It's weird that you have to be assigned a patch of dirt. | ||
| I know. | ||
| You know? | ||
| I know, I know. | ||
| What tribe do you belong to, young'un? | ||
| It's like, I don't know. | ||
| I haven't decided. | ||
| He has not decided. | ||
| The young one has not decided. | ||
| I mean, it's weird. | ||
| If I think about it, I'm kind of an immigrant, but kind of not. | ||
| Well, you're American. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| You have American parents. | ||
| So even if, like, Brian Callen was born in... | ||
| Fuck, where was he born? | ||
| He was born in somewhere freaky. | ||
| Maybe Saudi Arabia? | ||
| Like Abu Dhabi or something. | ||
| Something like that. | ||
| Something outlandish. | ||
| Because his family was on the road all the time as well. | ||
| Right, yeah. | ||
| Same sort of deal. | ||
| Yeah, where you're kind of not, you're not a citizen. | ||
| I forget what they call it. | ||
| There's a status for that. | ||
| Traitor. | ||
| It's a traitor. | ||
| Yeah, it's a traitor or a spy. | ||
| Dangerous insider. | ||
| A spy. | ||
| Someone not to be trusted. | ||
| Mentoring candidate. | ||
| Yeah, totally. | ||
| He's the perfect one. | ||
| He's not connected to anyone. | ||
| He has no children. | ||
| Yes. | ||
| No, I mean, yeah, I guess it was like, I was in Montana when I remember, I kind of vaguely remember being in the courthouse and being made a citizen of the United States. | ||
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When you were four? | |
| When I was five, I think. | ||
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Oh, wow. | |
| Yeah, so for four, so I was like in the United States, like I wasn't in, I was a non-citizen. | ||
| I was a non-citizen of the world, and then I became an American citizen. | ||
| How strange. | ||
| How strange. | ||
| Yeah, very, very strange when I think about it. | ||
| It's like all the ingredients are insane. | ||
| Like, I'm so stoked I got to grow up where I got to grow up, and I had the experiences that I got to experience, and I love Montana, and I love my friends from Montana, and I like being a guy that people never expect is from Montana, and it's like... | ||
| Well, you're an unusual guy in that you're very left-wing, like me, but you're also very Second Amendment, pro-Second Amendment, like me. | ||
| You know, I find, like, you and I have very big parallels on that. | ||
| That's true. | ||
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Yeah. | |
| You know all for everyone's rights like for everything I mean just I want people to be free you do whatever yep, but when shit like this goes down and people are just randomly lighting targets on fire and you know and Smashing windows and stealing things and knocking cars over and pulling people out of trucks now you understand that the veneer of civilization is very thin and the the chaos of being is very deep and And | ||
| I don't ever want to have to use a gun. | ||
| Ever. | ||
| I'm a human being. | ||
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Ever. | |
| In my life. | ||
| If I make it to the grave and never have encountered anyone that I needed to shoot to protect my or my loved one's lives, I'd be a happy person. | ||
| Yes, of course. | ||
| But I'd be much happier if I get to make that choice. | ||
| And I have the opportunity or the ability to protect myself or to protect someone I care about. | ||
| Well, I mean, it's like it depends on the climate that you're, you know, we live in a climate that is like for very, so many reasons have we've gotten to this point at which. | ||
| Essentially, I could just say the blanket blame goes to capitalism in general. | ||
| I mean, I'm sure you talk about this on the show a lot. | ||
| And capitalism in its most fundamental state is just essentially trade. | ||
| It's what humans did. | ||
| You set up a fruit stand and someone's got bread and you trade and then there's kind of like an understood value for things. | ||
| On a basic level, it's just kind of what we do as human beings. | ||
| We barter, we trade, things like that. | ||
| But then you flash forward and you overlay complexity over complexity over complexity that is then guided by people who are like, oh, I can game the system a little bit more. | ||
| Oh, I can game the system a little bit more. | ||
| And now you get all these hoarders and hoarders and people and choke points of resources, right? | ||
| And so then they're kind of dictating the value, blah, blah, blah, blah. | ||
| Same thing goes with the arms. | ||
| It's like, yeah, I enjoy the reason why... | ||
| I enjoy my ability to have a firearm is because I respect their power. | ||
| I'm an engineered-minded person, so I like the engineering and the craftsmanship behind it, and I like the responsibility and the safety factor of it, that people take it seriously. | ||
| When I grew up, people were really adamant about the safety of guns. | ||
| Whenever I touched a gun, looked at a gun, before you pick it up, they'd be like, Never put your finger on the trigger. | ||
| Never pointed it at anybody unless you plan on firing it. | ||
| All the things that we all hear about gun owners are supposed to be taught. | ||
| And so growing up with guns, I didn't really fear them. | ||
| They were just a thing. | ||
| And my whole mom's side of the family is all police people. | ||
| And my dad was a military policeman. | ||
| He was in the military. | ||
| So, you know, guns, like, that was just a part of the thing. | ||
| Farmers, hunting, all that stuff. | ||
| Great fall, same thing. | ||
| Growing up in my friend's house, seeing a deer hung up, strung up, you know, on the rafters with a bunch of cardboard on the ground, you know, getting ready to be processed. | ||
| All of that stuff. | ||
| And for me, I came back to guns, like, maybe like 10 years ago or something like that. | ||
| Because I wanted to, I was interested in training and overcoming my fear of handguns. | ||
| And so that fascination was great. | ||
| I went to Montana, and my experiment was like, how long will it take me to get a handgun? | ||
| And I walked into a sporting goods store, one of my favorites. | ||
| I walked in, timed it, 20 minutes. | ||
| I walked out, and I had a bag with a handgun and ammunition in the bag, and I was walking out of the store. | ||
| So there's no waiting period? | ||
| No. | ||
| Now, you fill out the background check. | ||
| You do the background check. | ||
| They're like, oh, it looks like there's no red flag or whatever. | ||
| You can have the gun. | ||
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| Which part of me is like, if you're a responsible gun owner and you respect firearms, that seems kind of normal. | ||
| You're like, oh, I'm responsible. | ||
| I know how to use this weapon safely. | ||
| I'm going to buy this gun and I'm going to walk out, right? | ||
| And that was my first firearm I ever bought. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| Whilst it was an interesting experiment, I will say, and when I talked to all my law enforcement friends in Montana, like, you know, who was the guy who walked in? | ||
| He walked in his suit and had a full-on three-piece suit and then had his carry, concealed carry, on him and then walked in with a huge bag of, like, crazy guns. | ||
| But he is a prosecutor and has to have security when he goes to cases and things like that because when they get convicted, sometimes people sick their friends on him and stuff like that. | ||
| Anyways, he's never had any altercations, but an interesting guy, really like very heavily armed, blah, blah, blah, blah. | ||
| And I started talking to him. | ||
| I was like, what would happen if in order to get a firearm, You had to, like, back when the NRA was the, when Truly was the NRA, when it was a bunch of, like, war vets who were like, this is how you use firearms safely. | ||
| Like, way back in those days, if people had to go through training and had to be And when I talk in that way, they're like, I don't really have a problem with that. | ||
| And I'm like, yeah, because you're only doing yourself a favor. | ||
| You're promoting safety and you're educating people about firearms. | ||
| And it's up to them if you want to have a firearm or you don't want to have a firearm. | ||
| But if you do, you have to know how to safely operate a firearm. | ||
| And there are many kinds of firearms. | ||
| They're not all the same thing. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| So anyways, but it was an interesting conversation. | ||
| That is a powder keg of a conversation, right? | ||
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I know. | |
| I know. | ||
| Just beat around the bush that maybe would be a good idea for people to learn how to use a gun before they buy a gun. | ||
| Traitor! | ||
| Fucking traitor! | ||
| Fucking Second Amendment is a right! | ||
| I know. | ||
| It's a right! | ||
| I know. | ||
| And it's so funny because that's why I've got a bunch of friends that conceal carry all the time for their professions in Great Falls. | ||
| I'm sitting down with them. | ||
| They've got a firearm on them. | ||
| I never feel nervous or anything like that. | ||
| But they're highly opinionated about people who open carry. | ||
| People who open carry, they're always like, those people are almost always, concealed carry permit people always say that they don't like those people. | ||
| Because you have a weapon that's visible, and it doesn't have a fancy biometric lock on it. | ||
| There's nothing. | ||
| It's like if you're in a situation that someone walks up behind you and takes your gun, now they've got a gun. | ||
| And you just told everybody, you just shown everybody that you have a firearm. | ||
| And so there's this weird thing about open carry that concealed carry people are like, this is ridiculous. | ||
| While you can do it if it's legal in your state, certainly, but Is it a good decision? | ||
| I don't think so. | ||
| It's probably not a good decision to do it when you're just going to Walgreens. | ||
| That's what I'm saying, yeah. | ||
| It probably exists so that no one can ever infringe upon your rights to have one in any capacity. | ||
| Sure. | ||
| It's not a thing where you want to do all the time, but if some shit goes down and you have a gun outside of your house, The law should be, you can do whatever the fuck you want. | ||
| The law says you're allowed to open carry so you can have this gun outside your house. | ||
| It doesn't mean you go to the movies with a fucking AK-47 strapped to your chest. | ||
| Yeah, which people do. | ||
| And I get it. | ||
| And the whole thing about... | ||
| The gun issue is that it needs to start somewhere, and it should start at education. | ||
| Yes. | ||
| Education, that's the key, right? | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| And some people are great at it. | ||
| Most people that I know that are into guns are very into the safety aspect of it, and they understand it, and it's very important to them. | ||
| Yeah, you have to. | ||
| But it's one of those things where, first of all, here's what's fucking weird. | ||
| I know so many people that want a gun now. | ||
| So many people that are asking for it. | ||
| All these liberals. | ||
| So many liberal friends of mine are asking me. | ||
| They're like, I know you have a gun. | ||
| And I was like, what does it take? | ||
| I was talking to two different friends who have had friends ask them if they can borrow a gun. | ||
| You can't loan someone a gun. | ||
| You people that are anti-gun are hilarious because they don't know that there are rules. | ||
| Like this idea that there's no rules. | ||
| No, there's rules. | ||
| All they hear about is, oh, but what about the gun show loophole? | ||
| They start talking about the gun show loophole. | ||
| Yeah, yeah, yeah. | ||
| Go to a gun show then. | ||
| See any gun shows? | ||
| No. | ||
| Well, you can't have my gun. | ||
| Get the fuck out of here. | ||
| I know. | ||
| That's the thing that's so hard about it. | ||
| Because for me, I'm a pragmatist. | ||
| And to me, it's always about awareness. | ||
| It's always about education. | ||
| And the conversation always breaks down on either side... | ||
| Where it's like, if it's a gun, they're like, any hint of something that says, we're going to have to talk about this? | ||
| They're like, no! | ||
| And then the people who are really anti-gun, they're like, any hint that there might have to be a compromise made, then they're also equally like, no! | ||
| And nothing's ever going to get done unless you get soldiers, cops... | ||
| People who have to use guns for a profession, talking to people who are heritage gun owners, people who've been growing up for generations doing that, to people who live in urban situations where there's illegal gun sales and black market guns and there are problems with guns in their communities. | ||
| All that stuff needs to be talked about, but the sides are so entrenched, it's very, very, very difficult. | ||
| Well, I think something like we're experiencing right now, these riots and the looting, this opens people's eyes. | ||
| This is like we're talking about our liberal friends that are very interested in getting a gun now. | ||
| This opens people's eyes. | ||
| You realize like this is not, no one's on a power trip. | ||
| You're just talking about your ability to safely defend your loved ones and yourself. | ||
| That's all you're talking about. | ||
| Absolutely. | ||
| 100%. | ||
| And my thing is, too, it's like technology is amazing. | ||
| And guns are an interesting form of technology because, obviously, if, again, in a healthy situation, you're like, oh, did you see the new blah, blah, blah, blah, blah? | ||
| Oh, yeah, they enhanced this. | ||
| Oh, there's a trimount for the silencer. | ||
| So did you apply for the silencer? | ||
| I have a class one license. | ||
| All that geeky stuff. | ||
| It's as geeky as people working on engines and hot rods, right? | ||
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| Exactly. | ||
| There's that, right? | ||
| Then there's the whole cultural thing that movies, you know, like bad boys and everything, just guns are just stuff that people just have and they're just shooting around. | ||
| And the thing is, like, people never understand when you talk to a war vet about guns and gunfights and firefights, especially recent firefights, they're like, I never... | ||
| Ever. | ||
| Would ever wish you to ever be in a gunfight. | ||
| Ever. | ||
| And so, and I believe them. | ||
| Because I know things can change so quickly. | ||
| A bullet, when you shoot a gun and it hits somebody and it ends their life, even if they were threatening you and so forth, that is one of the most traumatic things. | ||
| Things that can happen in a human being's life. | ||
| And they have to live with that all the time. | ||
| I mean, soldiers, at least they have like, I'm on a side and I'm trained, you know, and there's psychological help and all that stuff. | ||
| Or police officers, same thing. | ||
| Most of them never even draw their weapons. | ||
| But when they do, and they do fire it, the consequences are devastating on a psychological level. | ||
| But... | ||
| I will say that, you know, my friend who carries, I was like, what if the first three rounds that you have in your personal protection gun, like at home, or whatever your handgun, whatever it is, what if the first three rounds were rubber? | ||
| And then there were live rounds after that. | ||
| And he was like, oh, that's an interesting idea. | ||
| And I'm like, anything to... | ||
| Protect yourself, but not necessarily guarantee that you're going to kill, kill somebody if it's a weird situation. | ||
| Situations happen fast, and I understand when someone comes into your house, all bets are off. | ||
| Whatever you need to do, however you feel, if someone breaks into your house, I understand that completely. | ||
| But for me, I'm like, what can I do to make it really hard for someone to even get to me in the first place? | ||
| And my last, last, last resort is a weapon that can kill somebody. | ||
| That's my very, very, very last. | ||
| But I'm going to do everything I can to be as preemptive as possible to not be enticing for people to want to come up and attack. | ||
| Yeah, these rubber bullets that these cops are using on protesters, how fucked up is this that they're just shooting them into people? | ||
| Yeah, directly. | ||
| They're supposed to hit them off the ground. | ||
| They're shooting them at fucking reporters. | ||
| You see those reporters? | ||
| You're interviewing these people and they're like, ow, ow, what the fuck? | ||
| They're just getting shot at by cops that know they're reporters. | ||
| Yes, I know. | ||
| And a reporter lost her eye recently. | ||
| An ABC reporter, someone like that. | ||
| Yeah, got hit in the eye with a rubber bullet just recently, like yesterday or something like that. | ||
| And lost an eye. | ||
| That happened too when I was at the WTO riots. | ||
| You know, like one second you're like, oh, cool. | ||
| The chief of police is talking to the lead organizer, and he's got his helmet off, and everyone's like, oh, this is cool. | ||
| They're all talking. | ||
| And then from behind the police lines, you hear a bullhorn. | ||
| We're going to be launching tear gas. | ||
| Please clear the area. | ||
| And you're like, wait a minute, but you guys were just talking. | ||
| It's like, oh, I don't know. | ||
| And he doesn't know because that was another order placed by someone that wasn't him. | ||
| And then suddenly it turns into pandemonium, and the next thing you know, another dude loses him. | ||
| A guy that I knew that was a friend of a friend lost his eye in the WTO, right? | ||
| It's because the guy, the police officer shot at him directly instead of bouncing it off the ground. | ||
| It's just like, and it comes down to my gun guru dude that I was training with for a film, and that's kind of what launched me back into stuff. | ||
| But he was saying, training, training, training. | ||
| When it comes to police officers, it's community outreach, being able to actually establish a contact with your community so that they can at least have some form of trust or someone that they can talk to, that they can relate to. | ||
| So they understand the police are there for their protection. | ||
| Then the other thing is like training. | ||
| A lot of these officers are just like, they're just sending them out and going, hey, good luck. | ||
| Deal with stuff as it happens. | ||
| And then some of the cats are like, they don't know. | ||
| And their anger gets the best of them. | ||
| Someone's being indignant. | ||
| And they're like, you know what? | ||
| I'm going to lay it down. | ||
| I just think most people do not have the kind of temperament and character to deal with being in a position of having control over other people. | ||
| Really ultimate fatal control over other people. | ||
| I just don't think they have that. | ||
| I think most people, I mean, I think that takes a really powerful person and there are powerful people out there that handle it and handle it well and they're great cops. | ||
| Yes. | ||
| And then there's guys like that guy who put his fucking knee on that man's neck. | ||
| For eight minutes and 38 seconds or whatever it was and finally the the family got their own autopsy and the the autopsy showed the man did die from Asphyxiation? | ||
| Yeah, not not just asphyxiation, but also from the blood being cut off to the brain Which is really what it is. | ||
| It's a blood choke because you're you're putting your shin on the side of the neck It's cutting off the carotid artery. | ||
| It's like a choke like like a jujitsu choke You know, the idea that that's not what killed him is like, come on. | ||
| What was just a coincidence? | ||
| I mean, what is the autopsy? | ||
| How corrupt are your fucking medical examiners? | ||
| Man, I'm telling you, it's, yeah, I know, where they're like, oh, we need to get ahead of this. | ||
| And it's like, you know, just fucking tell it like it is. | ||
| He had pre-existing conditions. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| Yeah, it's called being black. | ||
| Yes. | ||
| Yeah, that was the pre-existing condition. | ||
| I know, I know. | ||
| It's called being black and being arrested, especially by that guy. | ||
| That guy had 12 different abuse forms that were abuse claims against him over the years. | ||
| Yeah, I know. | ||
| And the guys that were just kind of sitting there, you know, the cops that were sitting there, it's like they, again, it's also a training issue. | ||
| It's like, you know, and if you're a cop and you you you've noticed another a fellow officer in the field doing some shit that they think is like not cool or just straight illegal, whatever. | ||
| Or they have a feeling that it's going to escalate with this person if they're if it's left unchecked. | ||
| They really it's hard for them to communicate because there's this whole brotherhood loyalty thing that locks everybody into like this code of silence. | ||
| And it sucks because, well, how do you expect police departments to get better if police departments aren't allowing themselves to get better? | ||
| Well, some some people that do step out, they get in trouble. | ||
| Some people that do call out other officers for shitty behavior. | ||
| But there was one woman really recently, I think it was either yesterday or today, there was a guy and he's arguing with these protesters, this male cop, and this woman gets on her knees in front of him. | ||
| And says she's on her knees. | ||
| And he shoves her to the ground when she's on her knees. | ||
| And this female officer gets in the guy's face and starts yelling at him. | ||
| And as he's walking away, she's chasing him down and yelling at him. | ||
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| And it's all on video. | ||
| So there are... | ||
| Examples of good cops who see cops being abusive and go, hey, and this guy was clearly abusive. | ||
| Like, there's one guy standing there and he got right in the guy's face, like intimidating him, and then he pushed the girl down. | ||
| Look, there's a lot of people that shouldn't be cops. | ||
| And then the stress of those situations where you're trying to take control of a mob, you know, it turns bad. | ||
| Or you get that sheriff from Flint, Michigan. | ||
| Did you see that video? | ||
| Oh, that was amazing. | ||
| It's amazing. | ||
| That was amazing. | ||
| It's beautiful. | ||
| It brings a tear to your eye. | ||
| It really did. | ||
| He's like, we're going to put down the batons. | ||
| We're going to march with you. | ||
| We're all together in this. | ||
| And we want you to have a voice. | ||
| And then he's hugging people and everybody's hugging everybody. | ||
| And they're walking together. | ||
| So imagine the cop that pushed the lady down and put him in that situation with those people. | ||
| That same aggro attitude. | ||
| He'd be yelling at people and telling them to shut the fuck up and pushing them away and it probably would have escalated. | ||
| Or imagine that cop in the other scenario with that woman on the ground. | ||
| He'd probably be like, ma'am, I don't want you on your knees. | ||
| We're all in this together. | ||
| We all saw what happened to that man and it's an injustice. | ||
| Let's walk together. | ||
| Let's try to heal this community. | ||
| Let's try to do better. | ||
| Yeah, that's what I want to see, man. | ||
| I mean, that's all it comes down to. | ||
| It's all about behavior, how you handle a situation in the moment. | ||
| And again, if they had a little bit of training, just a little bit of training to say, like, stop before, think, stop, think. | ||
| Then assess the situation. | ||
| And, you know, unless your life is in danger, like, you know, but that these situations are not that these are cops that are like, something happens, there's like something clicks, and there's chaos all around. | ||
| And the instinct is like, essentially the same mentality as someone who's taking advantage of it on the other side, who are like the people who come out after the initial rage wave of like, You know, which is a natural kind of biological instinct and it's a rebalancing but then they're the opportunists that sneak in behind the wave and those are the people that you see like targeting in a very organized way targeting these stores knowing exactly where they're gonna go and they're gonna take advantage of these moments of chaos yes and of course that gets mixed in and the cops see | ||
| that and it's like well they kind of get on get in on that wavelength instead of the majority wavelength which is just like we're pissed we're emotional we're loud But we're allowed to do this. | ||
| Have you seen these bricks that people have been finding at all these different sites where people are protesting? | ||
| These organized stacks of bricks. | ||
| No. | ||
| Yeah, man. | ||
| Look, this is... | ||
| I'm going to send... | ||
| Jamie, I'm going to send you one that Eddie sent me. | ||
| Who do you think is putting that? | ||
| That's the question, right? | ||
| It's like, who is putting that? | ||
| Is it Antifa? | ||
| Is it the cops? | ||
| Is it someone who wants someone to throw a brick so that they can impart martial law? | ||
| Like... | ||
| What is it? | ||
| Yeah, you know, my brain always goes to conspiratorial elements. | ||
| Here it is, mysterious brick piles appear throughout major protest cities. | ||
| I mean, these are bricks that are appearing that don't have a reason to be there. | ||
| Jamie, I'm going to send you this video that Eddie sent me because this is... | ||
| I'll eardrop it to you, buddy. | ||
| God, man. | ||
| The car, too, and the bait car they said in Long Beach yesterday left a car out there. | ||
| Really? | ||
| Who leaves a fucking free car out for people to just take? | ||
| A free police car. | ||
| So they left an old, shitty police car out there, and then on top of that, this old... | ||
| Why is this not... | ||
| Okay, Jamie, I'm airdropping it to you right now. | ||
| So this old shitty police car, and then these three, you have all these protesters, and then these three people move in a very organized fashion. | ||
| And there's a guy who made a video about it. | ||
| Have you seen the video, Jamie, where the guy breaks down the Antifa? | ||
| Have you seen that? | ||
| I'll send you the video. | ||
| That's weird. | ||
| What's that? | ||
| I never saw this. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| Okay, put it up on the screen. | ||
| I gotta figure out how to do it. | ||
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| Send photos. | ||
| Oh, I see. | ||
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That's so crazy. | |
| So there's these, there it is. | ||
| So these random pallets of bricks. | ||
| This is very organized. | ||
| This is on Ventura Boulevard out here in LA, or I think it's in North Hollywood. | ||
| So these pallets of bricks are just sitting there. | ||
| Like, look at this. | ||
| What? | ||
| They're just like riot supplies. | ||
| Exactly, riot supplies. | ||
| What? | ||
| Exactly. | ||
| So who's doing this? | ||
| This is very organized. | ||
| There's many stacks of these bricks. | ||
| It's very anti-anarchist. | ||
| Well, is it? | ||
| Because it's organized. | ||
| But I mean, well, it's fuel for anarchy, right? | ||
| Yeah, but I just, I wonder... | ||
| Look at this. | ||
| Or do you think, I mean, here's another theory. | ||
| It could be possibly performance art. | ||
| I mean, and I'm not saying that as a joke, but some performance artists go to that length. | ||
| But that's very, very organized and very ominous and very weird. | ||
| I mean, I hope that those were reported and that the police picked them up. | ||
| Well, one thing that is happening that's promising is these provocateurs... | ||
| Are getting caught by actual Black Lives Matter protesters and grabbing them. | ||
| And these assholes that are breaking windows and spray painting things, like, they're grabbing these people and saying, hey, you fuck, and they're turning these people in. | ||
| Like, these people are smashing things. | ||
| Thank the Lord. | ||
| But they're recognizing that this is damaging. | ||
| There's a great moment in time right now where we can enact real change. | ||
| And it's really the perfect storm in its horrific nature. | ||
| You see this guy who's nonchalantly got his knee on this man's neck for 8 minutes and 38 seconds. | ||
| There's no justification. | ||
| It's very clear. | ||
| It's horrific. | ||
| There's no blurriness. | ||
| There's no gray area. | ||
| It's just dirty. | ||
| It's awful. | ||
| It's evil. | ||
| And then the man dies. | ||
| And everybody is, for a fantastic reason, upset. | ||
| And they want change. | ||
| And they're marching through the streets. | ||
| But then when you see these bricks. | ||
| And then we see the chaos. | ||
| And they've caught cops. | ||
| Cops that people knew were cops wearing police officers. | ||
| Police distributed gas masks, like official gas masks, like the ones that the cops use. | ||
| Yeah, yeah, yeah. | ||
| Like the same wardrobe that cops wear. | ||
| Everything's black, all military issue shit. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| And then these people would chase them. | ||
| Are you a fucking cop? | ||
| Like this guy's breaking windows at Target. | ||
| And then someone in the comments was like, I know who that is. | ||
| That guy is a cop. | ||
| And they were calling out the guy's name. | ||
| So this cop is going around. | ||
| Oh. | ||
| While these peaceful protests are going on, and he's smashing windows with a gas mask on, fully dressed in military-issued garb, and people are like, well, that's an Asian provocateur. | ||
| But is he acting on his own? | ||
| Is he a rogue cop? | ||
| Is he like one of those crazy firefighters that lights buildings on fire so they can save him? | ||
| Is he inciting this? | ||
| What is going on here? | ||
| I think some people just wish they want it to turn into something massive and they want it to be like a civil war. | ||
| And there's also like the whole race war thing that, you know, you hear about white supremacists and stuff like that talk about, you know, and there's Then there's like the right way. | ||
| The thing is like your mind can swim in all kinds of like conspiratorial ways. | ||
| And it's probably it's a mixture of all kinds of things. | ||
| You know, it's definitely like it's probably like, hey, I'm going to do this or like, hey, we should do that. | ||
| Or someone kind of kids around and someone's listening, you know, in the police police department or whatever. | ||
| And they're like, yeah, what if we were doing that or whatever? | ||
| And they hear that they're like, I am going to do that. | ||
| Who knows? | ||
| But that's some dangerous shit. | ||
| And I think that that's amazing that protesters who are seeing this are detaining these people. | ||
| Because those people... | ||
| They're just not helping in any way. | ||
| And I'm... | ||
| Yeah, here's a good one. | ||
| See, this asshole is smashing things and this guy comes over and grabs him and fucking body slams him. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| And then everybody holds the guy down. | ||
| They're screaming and yelling at him. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| And they hold this guy. | ||
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Yeah. | |
| They pass him over to the police, too. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| These are Antifa. | ||
| Look at him. | ||
| He's trying really hard to cover his face. | ||
| Yeah, it's like, no, no, no, no. | ||
| Okay, fuck you. | ||
| What is he hitting with a hammer? | ||
| What was he hitting? | ||
| He was making bricks off the sidewalk. | ||
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Oh! | |
| Oh, and that's so... | ||
| Oh, yeah, yeah, yeah, good! | ||
| Oh, my God. | ||
| It's all gray hair. | ||
| How old is that, dude? | ||
| I don't know. | ||
| It's very frail. | ||
| Shitty jiu-jitsu. | ||
| I mean, I think... | ||
| Look how easy they took him down. | ||
| There's definitely some anarchists that are like, you know, they're basically... | ||
| They're like, we're doing this. | ||
| This is our time. | ||
| And you know that there's like a whole wave of those people because, I mean... | ||
| I remember going to Brandenburg, Germany. | ||
| A friend of mine out there has like a bunch of kind of Antifa slash anarchists but like kind of mellow version, German mellow version of that. | ||
| Bought a bunch of land that was actually kind of like a weird shaky history but it was like Goebbels training camp for the Nazi youth at one point. | ||
| And then it was before that it was like a Polish, I don't know, like Air Force place or something like that. | ||
| Anyways, it has like this military, weird, shaky history, but they bought it and they've converted it. | ||
| And now it's like very accepting of all people, like all kinds of people live on there. | ||
| And then they are people who work on the, what's it called? | ||
| The Fusion Festival, which is one of the biggest festivals in the world in Germany that's in Brandenburg. | ||
| It's an amazing festival. | ||
| It's all just love-based techno, but it's got that hard edge of anti-corporate. | ||
| It's all DIY, but it's massive. | ||
| It's like 70,000 people festival. | ||
| It's like Burning Man in the Woods. | ||
| And very interesting conversations that you hear from them. | ||
| Do you speak German? | ||
| I don't. | ||
| I don't. | ||
| I mean, a tiny bit. | ||
| Ambition. | ||
| But not a lot. | ||
| I actually was trying to learn German. | ||
| I love the German language. | ||
| Do they speak English? | ||
| Yeah, they speak English. | ||
| So when you're having these conversations. | ||
| Yes. | ||
| Yeah, we're speaking English. | ||
| Yeah, yeah, yeah. | ||
| I remember once, because I was renting an Audi R8 V10 Plus, and I drove it onto the grounds when they were tearing down. | ||
| And this young woman came up with a spray paint can and was like shaking the can and going like, what are you doing here with this kind of a vehicle? | ||
| And it was this weird tense standoff, but I was with one of the people who's like one of the- Like she was going to spray paint your car? | ||
| Oh yeah, yeah, yeah. | ||
| What a bold lady. | ||
| I know. | ||
| And in a way, like I was like, you know what, if she would have done it, That's fine. | ||
| I was in her territory, you know. | ||
| Fuck that. | ||
| I mean, I'm okay with, like, when it comes to, like, people who are that passionate about, like, anti-corporate and stuff like that, I'm like, I get it. | ||
| Yeah, but that's your property. | ||
| No, I mean, I'm renting it. | ||
| Yeah, but she doesn't know that. | ||
| She doesn't know that, but I had a feeling she wasn't. | ||
| But inside my head, I was like, what if she did? | ||
| And I'd be like, well, I guess I just have to drive this Audi with this fascist, anti-fascist, whatever symbol on the side of the car. | ||
| It's a funny thing. | ||
| No good ever comes out of that. | ||
| That's the problem. | ||
| No good ever comes out of defacing property. | ||
| No compromise gets reached. | ||
| No conversation gets breached. | ||
| No, no. | ||
| Not when you're destroying history and you're destroying... | ||
| It's just destruction. | ||
| Again, as an initial response, understandable. | ||
| If something happens and people go out and they're young, especially in this climate, being kooked up, no jobs, what do you want to do? | ||
| Let's rally behind this. | ||
| This is ridiculous. | ||
| Whatever. | ||
| Boom. | ||
| Initial like, ah, who knows what's going to happen in that chaos when everybody goes outside. | ||
| I get that. | ||
| The continuation of it. | ||
| as the standard behavior, that's a problem that any leader, any civil leader is going to condemn and frown upon because at the end of the day, I'm a pragmatist and it's just inefficient. | ||
| It's just very inefficient. - That's a funny way to look at it, inefficient. - It's like, how are you gonna use that energy? | ||
| Like harness the energy for real, if you want real change, you gotta like, you gotta figure, you have to strategize And for me, I'm about hacking. | ||
| We've got to hack this system. | ||
| Yeah, but you're this guy who's really into engineering. | ||
| You're very thoughtful. | ||
| That's not what you're dealing with with these burn-it-to-the-ground motherfuckers. | ||
| These people don't have a plan B, and they don't have a forward strategy. | ||
| They just want to... | ||
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We're going to fucking tear down capitalism, man. | |
| And then what? | ||
| How are you going to get your food, you fuck? | ||
| Where are you going to get your shoes? | ||
| Who's making your shoes? | ||
| Where did you get your car, you fucking idiot? | ||
| I know. | ||
| Where'd your phone come from? | ||
| I'll give you a hint. | ||
| Not America. | ||
| Yes, I know. | ||
| Things have to get made, dum-dum. | ||
| People have to engineer them. | ||
| It is really, like, it is, and I agree with that 100%. | ||
| They're using capitalism to fight capitalism. | ||
| Yes. | ||
| They're using the internet and social media sites on cell phones that they bought. | ||
| Yes. | ||
| Yes. | ||
| I mean, without a doubt. | ||
| I mean, here's the thing. | ||
| This is what's so weird about it is that it's such a paradox, right? | ||
| I mean, essentially, it's what you're describing. | ||
|
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Yeah. | |
| Yeah. | ||
| So if you want to affect change, you're either going to fit into the feedback loop, you're going to feed back into the feedback loop, or you're going to figure out a way to shift it so that you're able to spiral away from it. | ||
| And that's really what we need. | ||
| And I like people taking responsibility for getting rid of the fuckwits that are fucking it up for everybody, because guaranteed, whether it's the police or whether it's protesters, it's always a very, very small percentage Of those people are going to fuck it up because also the news loves sensationalism. | ||
| So we're going to focus on that. | ||
| I think what we're dealing with right now is really the perfect storm. | ||
| Okay? | ||
| You have a bunch of pieces in place. | ||
| First of all, there's a lot of people that never really recovered from the 2008 crisis, right? | ||
| As people are very upset that the bankers and these subprime mortgage loans and the housing crisis and everything went chaotic. | ||
| People lost shit tons of money and then all of a sudden you have this pandemic and the pandemic comes along and people cannot work. | ||
| So for the first time ever through no fault of your own, you literally can't work for months and months at a time. | ||
| There's a staggering number of people right now that are in desperate states. | ||
| They're in a terrible position financially. | ||
| They're about to lose their home. | ||
| They're about to lose their car. | ||
| They don't know what the fuck they're gonna do to feed themselves. | ||
| Yep. | ||
| And then you get this murder. | ||
| Yep. | ||
| And the murder just lights all this dry wood. | ||
| Yep. | ||
| And then everybody says, look, these people are all full of shit. | ||
| Donald Trump's full of shit. | ||
| Nancy Pelosi's full of shit. | ||
| They're all monsters. | ||
| It's all bullshit. | ||
| Gavin Newsom's full of shit. | ||
| Let's fucking burn it down. | ||
| Let's steal. | ||
| Let's smash. | ||
| And that's taking a part, that's happening while these peaceful protests are happening, all the while people just got done watching The Joker. | ||
| Yes, I know. | ||
| Which is this fucking billion dollar movie where this guy kills everybody and burns it to the ground, shoots people on TV, and here's the problem. | ||
| You kind of cheer for him. | ||
| You kind of cheer for him. | ||
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Of course. | |
| If this was a movie and a bunch of people were like, look, we're going to fucking end this corrupt system of capitalism, start smashing windows and burning things, part of you would be going, hmm, let's see how this turns out. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| How is this going to turn out? | ||
| This is kind of an interesting choice. | ||
| Like, wow, these guys are getting radical. | ||
| Do they have a plan? | ||
| But then in the movie, if you saw these pallets of bricks just mysteriously appearing at these areas where people are scheduled to protest and where these marches are supposed to go by, you're like, hey, what the fuck is going on here? | ||
| Yeah, there's something else at play that's trying to push it over into that fantasy, to move from the fantasy into the reality. | ||
| And my left-wing friends think it's right-wing people that are agent provocateurs that are trying to start this sort of chaotic scene so that the military can be called in, which is what essentially Trump apparently did today. | ||
| Oh, yes. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| Apparently, Jamie, why is everybody saying that it's martial law? | ||
| Is that something that happened after his speech? | ||
| Because during his speech, he was essentially saying that if they didn't call in the National Guard, he was going to bring in the military, which is... | ||
| I don't know if he can do that. | ||
| I don't think he can do that. | ||
| That statement, I think, is what they're taking as... | ||
| Martial law. | ||
| Yeah, essentially. | ||
| Which, in a weird way, goes against... | ||
| I mean, you were talking about left-wing people saying it's the right-wing, and I'm sure that there are right-wing people that are saying, oh, it's the left-wing because they want it to make it. | ||
| Yeah, they think it's Antifa. | ||
| So it's like all this finger-pointing. | ||
| Whoever's doing it is definitely winning for their point of view because they're like, well, we're doing it. | ||
| No one knows who it is, and we're just doing it. | ||
| Well, Asian provocateurs have been used from the beginning of time. | ||
| I mean, they've always done that. | ||
| Hitler burned the Reichstag. | ||
| He did that to incite the people of Germany to get behind him and that he was going to take control of the situation. | ||
| Nero burned Rome, same way. | ||
| I mean, it was all done in order to get people excited about this idea of this one person saving them from this attack. | ||
| And that has been done forever. | ||
| Alex Jones had a great video called 9-11, The Road to Tyranny. | ||
| It was the first time I really understood that agent provocateurs are a government strategy. | ||
| And he detailed, like, very... | ||
| This is like... | ||
| I guess it was like 2001 or 2002 that he put this video out, and he detailed how the World Trade Organization, when those people were protesting against the WTO, and this was in Seattle. | ||
| Yeah, I was there. | ||
| Okay. | ||
| So you were there in 2000? | ||
| I was there just before it blew up. | ||
| I actually don't know. | ||
| It was early 2000s. | ||
| Early 2000s, maybe 2000, 2001 or something. | ||
| So these people were protesting against the WTO, and then these guys dressed exactly like that guy I was talking about earlier, all black, face covered, military-issue outfits, military-issue Vibram-soled shoes, all dressed uniformly, started smashing windows, | ||
| smashing cars, pushing over post office boxes, lighting things on fire, and then they wound up shutting down all the protests, and even had They had a no-protest zone where people were showing up at work where they had a WTO stick or a WTO pin with a red line through it. | ||
| They made them take that pin off of their jacket before they went through the line because you couldn't have anything that was any sort of a protest. | ||
| It was crazy. | ||
| Like this is all documented in this film. | ||
| Then they eventually, all these guys who were the agent provocateurs, holed up in a building and then the police negotiated with them and then released them. | ||
| So there was some sort of an order from higher up and they were all released. | ||
| Interesting. | ||
| They used these guys, they used military people, some branch of the government, who knows what the fuck they were or who they were, they used them to turn a peaceful protest about a legitimate concern these people have about the doings of the World Trade Organization, and they turned it into a violent encounter that they could then justifiably bring in the police and shut everything down. | ||
| Makes sense. | ||
| That's what people are worried about with these bricks. | ||
| They're worried about these bricks. | ||
| These bricks, this is horseshit. | ||
| This is done to shut down the peaceful protests where people are legitimately and righteously concerned about ending police brutality. | ||
| Because it's been going on forever. | ||
| It's been going on too long. | ||
| Yeah, I mean, yeah. | ||
| I mean, I just, at this point, it's like I don't put past any measure done by people that want to maintain their bottom line. | ||
| Like, they'll do whatever it takes. | ||
| And it's like, again, you know, when it comes to stuff like that, I'm like, I want to stay informed. | ||
| I want to keep those ideas in mind in the most simplistic way, which is, if you've got a lot of shit, you're going to do whatever it takes to keep your shit. | ||
| And you'll do all kinds of crazy shit to try to maintain power and control. | ||
| And vice versa. | ||
| And what really sucks is that if you did the opposite, if you did what that sheriff did, you actually not only get what you want, but you get more. | ||
| And that's what I don't understand. | ||
| The virus of... | ||
| Doing evil badly? | ||
| That's what I think of it as. | ||
| Being very inefficient and terrible at being selfish and greedy. | ||
| If you were really selfish and if you were really greedy, You would make sure that the well-being of your population was met so that there was reverence for your position. | ||
| And if there's reverence for your position, then you have the goodwill of people and it's easier to make things happen. | ||
| However, people don't get that. | ||
| That's 5D chess. | ||
| Yeah, man. | ||
| I mean, come on. | ||
| It works. | ||
| I know, but even people don't think like that, right? | ||
| I know they don't. | ||
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It's a virus. | |
| They just want control and power. | ||
| It's like the type of person that wants to be in that position is the type of person that just wants control and power. | ||
| They want people to be afraid of them. | ||
| Even the way Trump talks about it, he talks about using dogs. | ||
| He's talking about using the most vicious dogs. | ||
| He's got such a foolish way of communicating in times of crisis, and that's what's really dangerous, because some people are really good in times of crisis. | ||
| Obama was very good in times of crisis. | ||
| Even George W. George W. gave a speech after 9-11 that made everybody love him. | ||
| Everybody was like, this is our guy. | ||
| He's going to take care of us. | ||
| But I don't agree with him on certain political issues, but obviously... | ||
| There's clearly evil in the world. | ||
| We just saw these people take down the World Trade Centers and people have died and we're being attacked. | ||
| Okay, this guy, he's going to take care of us. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| And you don't get that feeling with Trump at all. | ||
| No, no. | ||
| Trump is like, I mean, it's like he's just in his own feedback loop. | ||
| So whatever he can do to make himself Feel good. | ||
| He's going to do it. | ||
| And then he only understands caveman principles, which is power, strength, show strength, dominance. | ||
| But he doesn't believe it himself. | ||
| That's the thing. | ||
| You know that Trump, for as much bolstering as he does, all of the shit that he says. | ||
| I swear to God, if he was in a room with someone who's just like, you're talking about all this tough guy stuff? | ||
| Let's go right now. | ||
| He would be cowering in a corner. | ||
| He can't back up any of this stuff. | ||
| All of his positions, it's just hot air. | ||
| That would be a great episode of Black Mirror. | ||
| Oh my god, yeah, I know, right? | ||
| It would have to be like a guy who's like a guy who he's insulted, but that's like unassuming who fucks him up. | ||
| You know who it'd have to be? | ||
| It'd have to be Justin Trudeau. | ||
| Because he's like, Justin Trudeau is like this super social justice warrior guy, and he's a handsome fellow with a beautiful thick head of hair. | ||
| If all of a sudden Trump wakes up and he's in MMA shorts with his big man boobs. | ||
| Yeah, totally. | ||
| And they're putting in the mouth guard and they're like, okay, so this is what you're going to do. | ||
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He's like, where am I? Justin Trudeau's just massaging him. | |
| Trudeau's stretching the woman up. | ||
| Doing these crazy kicks. | ||
| He starts fucking him up. | ||
| No, better yet, it would be a woman. | ||
| Oh, that would be amazing. | ||
| Yeah, some badass woman who fucks him up. | ||
| Some woman president of Nigeria or some shit. | ||
| Totally. | ||
| Starts kicking his ass. | ||
| Oh my god. | ||
| And making fun of him while she's fighting him. | ||
| I mean, that's the thing. | ||
| It's like, you know, I think we... | ||
| Imagine if that was the rule. | ||
| Oh, man. | ||
| Like, if you had to fight someone. | ||
| Like, if you wanted your government to fight, how about better yet... | ||
| We break it down to one versus one, and the best controlled situation where we're going to lose the least amount of life, you challenge to a duel the other person from the other country. | ||
| I'm so down with that. | ||
| I remember there was a science fiction story, I think maybe in the 80s, or it was like in the 80s or the 70s, and it was about that. | ||
| It was like in the future, world leaders would just fight each other. | ||
| We'd have a real problem with Putin. | ||
| He'd fuck everybody up. | ||
| Because he'd be the master cheater. | ||
| Well, he knows how to fight. | ||
| He's a black belt in judo. | ||
| Oh, is he? | ||
| Legit black belt. | ||
| Yeah, he's very good. | ||
| All right. | ||
| You ever seen videos of him? | ||
| No. | ||
| Yeah, see if you can find videos of Putin doing judo. | ||
| He's very good. | ||
| He trains with legit guys, too. | ||
| Okay. | ||
| It seems like they kind of let him throw him around a little bit. | ||
| A little Seagal? | ||
| Very Seagal-like. | ||
| But when you look at his movements, he's clearly skilled. | ||
| He's very skilled. | ||
| There's no doubt about it. | ||
| He absolutely knows what he's doing. | ||
| Here he goes. | ||
| See, this is him working out with the Russian judo team. | ||
| Like, that kind of shit. | ||
| Oh, that guy, that was a little weird, the way he felt. | ||
| No, no, no, man. | ||
| That was a legit move. | ||
| That's a legit move. | ||
| It seems so effortless. | ||
| It's just a simple sweep. | ||
| What they're doing right now is they're grabbing... | ||
| He's got a little fucking problem with his little thumb. | ||
| They're grabbing each other's... | ||
| They're just going to tape his thumb up. | ||
| They're grabbing each other's geese and they're moving each other around and they try to redirect like that. | ||
| Okay, that looked legit. | ||
| The other one just felt a little weird. | ||
| It looks weird because it's funny how easy it is for someone to throw you to the ground if they just sweep out your foot. | ||
| You like the little high-step warm-up? | ||
| It does look quite feminine. | ||
| It's actually a good way to warm up. | ||
| My dad was a judo. | ||
| He's a brown belt in judo. | ||
| Well, when I watch him maneuver, there's no doubt about it. | ||
| He's skilled. | ||
| Yeah, no. | ||
| I mean, obviously, he trains. | ||
| Yeah, he would fuck Trump up. | ||
| We'd have a real problem. | ||
| Yeah, we would. | ||
| We'd all be speaking Russian. | ||
| I mean, Trump would probably get taken out with one slap, an open-handed slap to his face, and he would probably start crying. | ||
| Well, I don't know about that. | ||
| You'd have to slap around. | ||
| You'd probably mess his hair up and you'd panic. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| Just get it wet. | ||
| Yeah, yeah. | ||
| Throw a bucket of water on his hair and be like, ah! | ||
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No! | |
| So he's working out with the real Russian judo team, though. | ||
| I mean, and he's like fucking 60-something years old. | ||
| That's pretty cool. | ||
| Just kind of crazy. | ||
| I mean, on a human, I need to accomplish something level, that's, you know, that's good. | ||
| If there's something, you know, I was asked today that Maria Bamford had a questionnaire, 25 questions that you're supposed to answer for a certain column or something like that. | ||
| And one of the questions was like, did you learn something from someone that you didn't like? | ||
| And in a way, like in that video, it's like, well, I don't like Putin, but... | ||
| It shows that, you know what? | ||
| At 60 years old, you can still train with the best of them. | ||
| He's putting himself out there and he's going for it. | ||
| Sort of. | ||
| But again, it's hard to imagine that those guys weren't kind of like taking it easy. | ||
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Yeah. | |
| I think that they were taking it easy because it's... | ||
| I mean, how could you not? | ||
| Could you imagine being the guy that like takes... | ||
| Hip toss him on his head and you wind up dead. | ||
| Yeah, and then you'd just be like... | ||
| He'd be like, all right, yeah, you got me. | ||
| Seems all friendly at first. | ||
| And then like a week later, you're like in a gulag. | ||
| Yeah, you just slowly get poisoned to death over months. | ||
| Did you ever hear the story about him with Robert Kraft with the Super Bowl ring? | ||
| No, no. | ||
| Sergio Simpson actually told me this story. | ||
| It's a crazy story. | ||
| He was with Robert Kraft when Robert Kraft was there. | ||
| He had a Super Bowl ring on. | ||
| And he said, let me see your ring. | ||
| Let me hold. | ||
| He takes the ring and he puts it on his finger and then just walks away. | ||
| And then Robert Kraft was like, hey, what the fuck? | ||
| And then, you know, the security guards put their hand on Kraft, like, shaked his hand, like, no. | ||
| Like, that's his ring now. | ||
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Wow. | |
| He just, in front of everybody, took his fucking ring. | ||
| Look, here it is right here. | ||
| You can see it. | ||
| Look, he puts it on his finger. | ||
| He puts it on his finger. | ||
| He looks at it. | ||
| He's like, oh. | ||
| And then Kraft tries to get it back. | ||
| He's like, no, that's mine. | ||
| I'm going to keep that. | ||
| Oh, my gosh. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| Ugh, what an asshole. | ||
| Stole his fucking Super Bowl ring, but he put it on and just walked away. | ||
| What an asshole. | ||
| But weird. | ||
| I mean, it's a power move. | ||
| It's such a big dick move. | ||
| Yeah, it's totally just like, hey, check this out. | ||
| He just whipped his hog out in front of everybody. | ||
| The thing that sucks about- What did it say that? | ||
| What is that quote right there? | ||
| I took- Took the ring, showed it to Putin, he put it on, and he goes, I can kill someone with this ring. | ||
| And that was it? | ||
| That's all he said? | ||
| And they took it. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| I put my hand out. | ||
| He put it in his pocket. | ||
| Three KGB guys got around him and walked out. | ||
| That sucks, man. | ||
| That's weird. | ||
| That just sucks. | ||
| It's such a crazy thing to do in front of everybody. | ||
| I mean, I get it. | ||
| That's like the thing people like Bolsonaro or Trump or any of these kind of strong-arm... | ||
| They think that that's the way that you do it. | ||
| Because when you don't have creativity... | ||
| And you don't have a connection to empathy. | ||
| You make up for it in other ways. | ||
| And so in this particular case, it's like, well, I'm just going to do strong arm shit. | ||
| Because I can. | ||
| And do it in front of everybody. | ||
| And do it in front of everybody. | ||
| With the cameras flashing. | ||
| Because that's how you do it. | ||
| I dig ring. | ||
| It's like, this is the way. | ||
| I will kill some people with this ring. | ||
| Yeah, this is the way you do it. | ||
| You do it. | ||
| This is power. | ||
| Eventually, it's him going like, this is how power works. | ||
| What a crazy thing to say to a guy. | ||
| I could kill someone with this ring. | ||
| I wonder if he did. | ||
| I wonder if he killed somebody with it. | ||
| You know he's definitely killed people. | ||
| Oh, for sure. | ||
| I wonder if he ever killed somebody with that Robert Kraft Super Bowl ring. | ||
| Oh, man. | ||
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Yeah. | |
| I mean, that guy... | ||
| Damn it. | ||
| I just hope that humanity, we can pull out of it, man. | ||
| I hope that we can, like, go, you know what? | ||
| Look what he's saying. | ||
| What Mr. Kraft is saying now is weird, Dmitry Peskov said. | ||
| I was standing 20 centimeters away from him and Mr. Putin and saw and heard how Mr. Kraft gave this ring as a gift. | ||
| Oh, my gosh. | ||
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Insane. | |
| Insane. | ||
| It's a gift! | ||
| You know, once the KGB guy was like, no, it's like, you know it's over. | ||
| You know that it's over. | ||
| You're not getting your shit back. | ||
| He said it's a humorous anecdote that Kraft retells for laughs. | ||
| He loves that the ring is in the Kremlin and, as he stated back in 2005, he continues to have a great respect for Russia and the leadership of President Putin. | ||
| Oh my lord. | ||
| Says, Stacy James, a spokesman for the craft group. | ||
| I don't trust dudes who are named Stacy. | ||
| Because they're real. | ||
| They're real. | ||
| What about Keech? | ||
| Stacey Keech? | ||
| Yeah, but he was born in the 40s and shit. | ||
| Things were different back then. | ||
| You could have a gay old time back then. | ||
| Things were different for Stacey. | ||
| Yeah, you could have a gay old time. | ||
| There was rumors that Charlie Sheen bought the ring, but the actor denied it. | ||
| Oh, okay. | ||
| It's just a story about lost rings from celebrities. | ||
| Charlie Sheen was a big 9-11 truther. | ||
| He even wrote an open letter to Obama demanding that they come clean about what really happened during 9-11. | ||
| He was one of them 9-11 was an inside job, guys. | ||
| Man, it just goes to show you, like, yeah, celebrity, man. | ||
| I swear to God, it's like the platform... | ||
| Is it a documentary? | ||
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He's in a movie with Whoopi Goldberg called 9-11 that came out a couple years ago. | |
| What? | ||
| A couple years ago? | ||
| Hold the fuck up. | ||
| Whoopi Goldberg? | ||
| What? | ||
| Oh, so this is a movie about recreation. | ||
| Oh, here I am in the tower doing coke. | ||
| Look at Whoopi! | ||
| Where did this come out? | ||
| What is this nonsense? | ||
| This is a three-year-old movie? | ||
| There's Lewis Guzman. | ||
| Let me check my watch. | ||
| Oh, he's looking at his watch. | ||
| September 11th, it's about to go down. | ||
| Oh, Jesus. | ||
| This looks like maybe the worst movie of all time. | ||
| First of all, what did they do to Whoopi's hair? | ||
| They took her dreadlocks and they stuffed him in the most unimaginable wig. | ||
| It must be like, yeah, she's recreating a role. | ||
| That is insane to me. | ||
| What's crazy about Charlie is Charlie Sheen, look at what big crazy hair. | ||
| Charlie at one point in time was a super legit actor. | ||
| Like in Platoon. | ||
| He was in some fantastic movies. | ||
| Yeah, he was in Hot Shots. | ||
| I don't know if that was as good. | ||
| Major League... | ||
| Pretty good. | ||
| Hot shots and hot shots part der, man. | ||
| I mean, come on. | ||
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Not bad. | |
| But I mean, now, like, we kind of all agree that he's just a fucking loon. | ||
| He's like a crazy person now. | ||
| I don't, you know, it's so... | ||
| Oh, the elevator's falling. | ||
| Oh, they're all falling. | ||
| Oh, shit. | ||
| Oh, they're fucked. | ||
|
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Oh. | |
| Damn. | ||
|
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Oh, boy. | |
| 9-11. | ||
| 9-11. | ||
|
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Carrera 4S. Join us. | |
| Indeed it's September 8th. | ||
| Oh, Jesus. | ||
| Just so you could hear about it before the 11th comes around and you get worked up. | ||
| We should have a viewing party for that movie and smoke a pound of weed. | ||
| Oh, hell yeah. | ||
| And watch that. | ||
| Invite me to that. | ||
| Oh, you're in. | ||
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I wonder, do you think... | |
| Do you think 9-11, like when 9-11 happened, that Porsche had to rebrand? | ||
| No, they didn't give a fuck. | ||
| They didn't give a fuck, did they? | ||
| It's very German. | ||
| Sorry! | ||
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Sorry, but our car was named very earlier, so... | |
| Our car has been named this since 1960-somethings. | ||
| Yeah, so... | ||
| Yeah, No Man's Land. | ||
| He had a movie about Porsches. | ||
| Yeah, it's coming up, too. | ||
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Oh, my gosh. | |
| Who was the other dude? | ||
| The other dude. | ||
| Oh, I know that dude. | ||
| D.B. Sweeney, yeah. | ||
| Yeah, he was like an 80s dude. | ||
| Yes, he was one of them 80s guys. | ||
| He might have been in The Wraith. | ||
| He probably made a ton of money and now he lives on a ranch somewhere in Wyoming or some shit. | ||
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That's so crazy, man. | |
| But that No Man's Land is about D.B. Sweeney is a cop and Charlie Sheen is a Porsche thief and he only steals Porsches. | ||
| They say, what about Ferrari? | ||
| He's like, Italian trash. | ||
| Oh my lord. | ||
| He won't steal Italian trash. | ||
| A snobby car thief. | ||
| And it's a weird time for Porsches, too, because they kind of sucked. | ||
| It's like they're stealing those 80s Porsches that'll kill you because the tires sucked. | ||
| 944? | ||
| Well, no, they're all 911s. | ||
| But those old 911 turbos, they have that lift throttle oversteer. | ||
| You never drove an old one, right? | ||
| No, never. | ||
| I have one out there that has a little bit of it. | ||
| I have a 964. It's an RS America, but it's pretty grippy, and it's got really good tires and an upgraded suspension. | ||
| There it is. | ||
| There's the movie. | ||
| But those old ones, when you're going around a corner, you have to stay on the gas. | ||
| You can't let off the gas if you go around the corner or they get something called lift throttle oversteer. | ||
| So as you lift off the throttle, the car will oversteer and many a dude lost their lives because the ass end kicked out because they didn't know how to drive these cars correctly. | ||
| Now, if you know how to drive the car correctly, you can actually manage that oversteer. | ||
| There's something about those old cars that once you learn how to drive them, and I'm by no means an expert in how to drive those old cars, but there's something about that sliding that you know how to time. | ||
| So you know how to time that slide and it actually gets you into these corners better. | ||
| You kind of manipulate that weight. | ||
| It's like a light form of drifting. | ||
| Yeah, yeah, yeah. | ||
| It's like inertial management. | ||
| Yeah, yeah. | ||
| I never learned how to do it, but I've experienced that in my 964 going around a corner. | ||
| You let off the gas. | ||
| It's like, hey, factors. | ||
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Oh, my God. | |
| It gets all sloppy. | ||
| Yeah, it's just like your fucking controls. | ||
| It's like, hey. | ||
| It all fucking fucks off on you. | ||
| You start cheering Spongebob. | ||
| Oh boy, guys. | ||
| It just feels like you don't have it anymore. | ||
| And you're like, oh my god, I'm going to crash. | ||
| And then you re-correct. | ||
| If you ever have a BMW, a 2005 E46 M3, it's a great car. | ||
| It's not the fastest car in the world, but it's really, really balanced. | ||
| What is it? | ||
| 3 Series? | ||
| 5 Series? | ||
| 3 Series. | ||
| M3. It's an M3. It's a great year. | ||
| But it's a very mechanical car. | ||
| When you're shifting it, you feel really connected to the car. | ||
| But when you go around a corner with this, if the ass end kicks out, you correct real easy. | ||
| It feels like you got it. | ||
| You're in control of this car. | ||
| You just let off the gas, right? | ||
| And it comes back in. | ||
| But you also, you could feel like what's going on. | ||
| Like you feel when it slips away a little bit, you feel very in control of it. | ||
| Like if you took it around a racetrack and you started sliding and drifting a little bit, you'd have it really quickly. | ||
| Like there's a shitload of, look up M3 E46 drift. | ||
| There's like porn, like drift porn all over YouTube of guys taking these cars and going, they're like famously well balanced. | ||
| But it's just a really well-engineered, well-balanced car, but it's front-engine. | ||
| It's built different. | ||
| That rear-engine Porsche, especially, look at these guys. | ||
| Look at how these guys are going sideways around these corners. | ||
| So many people love these cars for that very reason. | ||
| There's this one crazy video of this guy on a loading dock, and it's not very wide. | ||
| But this guy is drifting sideways and spinning around on this loading dock. | ||
| Like, look how well this guy's handling this. | ||
| But this is about this car. | ||
| These cars are... | ||
| That's not an E46, but it's another engine. | ||
| Oh my lord. | ||
| But these cars are like really easy to maneuver. | ||
| They're so controlled. | ||
| Easy drifters. | ||
| Yeah, it's just an amazing car. | ||
| That's a beautiful E46 right there. | ||
| Wow. | ||
| But these cars, when they spin, when the ass end spins, you just correct. | ||
| And you can handle it and use it to drift around cones like this guy's doing. | ||
| Man, have you seen Hyperdrive on Netflix? | ||
| No. | ||
| What is that? | ||
| It's like a drifting competition. | ||
| But they set up this course on an old abandoned factory. | ||
| Oh, wow. | ||
| And it kind of reminds me of- Inside? | ||
| What's that? | ||
| Inside? | ||
| No, it's all outside. | ||
| It's like a big outside, like machinery, kind of like, you know, towers, everything. | ||
| And they have these drivers from all over the world, Germany, Japan. | ||
| It's like Cannonball Run. | ||
| Remember Cannonball Run from the 80s, the movie? | ||
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Oh, wow. | |
| So there's like all these like racers. | ||
| There's a husband, wife, German team. | ||
| They each drive their own car. | ||
| There's a couple guys from Japan, a bunch of brasilaros, some guys from Brazil, Americans, this woman from Florida who I follow on Instagram, who's badass. | ||
| She had a really amazing run. | ||
| And women, men, people of... | ||
| Not a lot of people of color, but definitely a pretty diverse crew from all over the world. | ||
| What the fuck? | ||
| They're going up this giant ramp? | ||
| They have to balance that. | ||
| So you have to keep going back and forth until you find the balance point. | ||
| Then it turns green. | ||
| Once it turns green, then you can go forward on the course. | ||
| And almost everybody lost it. | ||
| But all these people... | ||
| They're so sick. | ||
| They're some of the best drivers in the world. | ||
| But the thing that really brought a tear to my eye was that they're all rooting for each other. | ||
| Like, all of them are rooting for each other because there's never been a thing like it. | ||
| And I mean, there's definitely drift competitions, but there's never been a thing like this. | ||
| Wait, executive producer Charisse Theron? | ||
| Yeah, yeah. | ||
| What is she? | ||
| What? | ||
| That's her! | ||
| I think she's just in it. | ||
| She's a drift freak. | ||
| Mad Max. | ||
| Yeah, remember Mad Max? | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| So I'm sure someone approached her about it and she liked cars enough to put her name onto it. | ||
| But watch this thing. | ||
| You'll love it. | ||
| It's some of the best precision driving I've ever seen. | ||
| I have a boner. | ||
| It's so good. | ||
| And they're killing it. | ||
| And the thing is, they can't repair their cars. | ||
| They can patch them up between runs, but they can't modify them. | ||
| They can't bring in new parts. | ||
| What about tires? | ||
| Can you replace tires? | ||
| I think tires between the different courses, you can change stuff. | ||
| But I think during the race, and then there's another race right after that, I think you can do some patch-up stuff. | ||
| There's this French dude. | ||
| He had a car that just would not fucking die. | ||
| What was it? | ||
| I think it was a French car. | ||
| I think it was a... | ||
| I think it might have been a... | ||
| Renault? | ||
| I don't know if it was Renault. | ||
| It might have been a Citroën. | ||
| I don't know. | ||
| It was one of those. | ||
| I like how you said that. | ||
| If I was on a day with you as a girl, I'd be very excited. | ||
| This guy's cultured. | ||
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He probably reads. | |
| He probably watches movies with reading in them. | ||
| You have to read the words. | ||
| I can subtitle and see the imagery at the same time. | ||
| That's crazy! | ||
| I know, I know. | ||
| Let's go have some wine in a park six feet away from each other. | ||
| Do they have a specific kind of car that dominates these things? | ||
| Is it like smaller sports cars? | ||
| Do they use muscle cars at all? | ||
| It's everything. | ||
| Like the kind of the favorite Brazil guy, there were two Brazil racers actually, a really young guy who was like, he and his father have this amazing relationship and he's super regimented and strict about his training and stuff like that. | ||
| And then this other dude, who's his friend, that he taught the younger guy how to drift. | ||
| So it's interesting. | ||
| They know each other and they're competing against each other. | ||
| But the guy, the older guy, he wears this cowboy hat and he wrecked his car and didn't have enough money to build a new car for drifting years and years ago. | ||
| So it was a big deal for him to put a car together. | ||
| But it's like... | ||
| I forget what it is, but it's a monster American car. | ||
| It's like... | ||
| Oh, that it right there? | ||
| That might be it. | ||
| It's a Dodge Charger, son. | ||
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Yeah, it's a Charger. | |
| You don't know what the fuck that is? | ||
|
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Yeah, it's a Charger. | |
| I was going to say that. | ||
|
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How dare you? | |
| Well, I just didn't remember. | ||
| Yeah, this guy should have a Roadrunner on the side. | ||
| That's a dope car. | ||
| Jeff Tweedy. | ||
| Yeah, well, they put a crazy fin on the back of it. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| I guess that's probably a functional fin. | ||
| He's a monster. | ||
| Yeah, it is functional. | ||
| But he was in that car. | ||
| And so you're talking about going through shipping containers. | ||
| It's a big car. | ||
| With three inches of room on either side. | ||
| And he was bombing them. | ||
| And, like, didn't lose his rear view mirror. | ||
| His side view mirrors. | ||
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Really? | |
| Yeah. | ||
| Look at that thing. | ||
| There's shit. | ||
| I swear, you're going to, like... | ||
| There's going to definitely be some tears shed. | ||
| Because some of the shit that people pull off on this race... | ||
| And it's anybody's race. | ||
| Because sometimes, like... | ||
| I forget the woman from Florida, but she killed it on one of her runs, and I was like, oh my god, she's going to go really, really far. | ||
| And then she just had a car problem. | ||
| They had problems with a pressurized hose system that's supposed to hit the car if you don't clear a certain thing. | ||
| This guy's fucking drifting on this snowy road in a 68 Charger! | ||
| Oh my god, look at all the snow and ice! | ||
| This is so unpredictable. | ||
| Yeah, this guy's a monster. | ||
| I want to just grab him and hug him and say, cut that wing off. | ||
| Yeah, I know. | ||
| Cut that disgusting wing. | ||
| He drifted his way into a tunnel! | ||
| Bonus drift. | ||
| Oh my god, that's so dangerous. | ||
| You're gonna lose your mind over that show, because I can't wait for the second season to come out. | ||
| Bro, if you're gonna talk drifting, you gotta talk Ken Block. | ||
| Have you ever seen that shit that he did, that Hoonigan shit that he did with that Mustang? | ||
| No. | ||
| Oh my god! | ||
| No, Block is a monster. | ||
| The most insane, I want to say, is a 65 Mustang? | ||
| Somewhere in the... | ||
| I think it's one of the earlier generation Mustangs, and it's like the most ridiculously modified Mustang. | ||
| It's got... | ||
| There it is. | ||
| Look at this fucking thing. | ||
| It might actually be a 67. Okay, so you're there with Matt LeBlanc, who... | ||
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Je suis Matt LeBlanc. | |
| Who, trivia, grew up in the same town as me. | ||
| Oh, really? | ||
| Yeah, Newton, Massachusetts. | ||
| Shout out to Matt. | ||
| I used to hear about him because he dated girls that I knew. | ||
| Oh, man. | ||
| Look at that car, man. | ||
| So Ken Block has this fucking ridiculous car, like super... | ||
| I think it's a four-wheel drive car, too. | ||
| And he's got these crazy shifters and these e-brakes and shit. | ||
| Yeah, yeah, yeah. | ||
| Those big-ass... | ||
| Man, you're going to get a kick. | ||
| These guys are like doing that shit, but on a course. | ||
| That's insane. | ||
| There's a dude, classic, again, cannonball run shit. | ||
| This white dude, Lamborghini Huracan, I believe, makes it four-wheel drive. | ||
| Or no, it's a four-wheel drive car. | ||
| He modifies it so that he can turn off four-wheel drive. | ||
| So make it four-wheel drive or rear-wheel drive for different events. | ||
| So his take was that he was going to tech out everything. | ||
| And when he went on runs, he had the auto-fold mirrors. | ||
| So he'd fold in his mirrors so he wouldn't break his mirrors off. | ||
| And all this shit. | ||
| And he actually made it quite a ways. | ||
| But it was like the Japanese team in Cannonball Run had that crazy teched-out car or whatever. | ||
| I had such a blast. | ||
| That's a fun-looking show, man. | ||
| It's funny you're talking about Brazil. | ||
| Did you ever watch that documentary on Ayrton Senna? | ||
| Oh, yes! | ||
| Amazing, right? | ||
| Man, racing spirit, man. | ||
| Dude, that documentary shows you like what fine line exists between being the very best and someone who dies in a crash. | ||
| Yes. | ||
| It's so, they're riding this fucking razor edge of performance and Ayrton Senna was famous for having these spectacular instincts, but ultimately died in a crash. | ||
| Yeah, I mean, and unfortunately, you know, fortunately, unfortunately, unfortunately, he had the crash, but then they changed so much, you know, because the racers were complaining about, like, how dangerous it was. | ||
| Well, he was responsible in some way for the design of the NSX. Oh, really? | ||
| Yeah, they had an Ayrton Senna version of the NSX that didn't have a sunroof. | ||
| It had a solid fixed roof, and I think they did some different modifications to the suspension. | ||
| It's kind of crazy when you look at it, you know, we were talking about cars earlier before we started the show, and modern sports cars are so goddamn fast, they have so much horsepower, but the NSX, when it came out, I think, I want to say it had 275 horsepower. | ||
| That's a lot for a tiny car. | ||
| That wasn't that big of a car. | ||
| It was slow, bro. | ||
| Trust me. | ||
| I had one. | ||
| It was slow. | ||
| I think... | ||
| Was that the very first... | ||
| That's the Ayrton Senna version. | ||
| Oh, wait a minute. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| So that's... | ||
| Look at that. | ||
| I want to say this is like early 90s. | ||
| Well, it's flip windows or flip lights. | ||
| So it is an earlier version of it. | ||
| That's crazy. | ||
| Yeah, I think my mind... | ||
| Oh, no. | ||
| I was thinking of Acura Integra. | ||
| That seems like it's got a body kit. | ||
| That seems very modified. | ||
| No, that's a huge body kit. | ||
| Are you kidding? | ||
| There's that second intake on the bottom and then there's the side skirts that were added and it's been lowered. | ||
| Yeah, and then the hood. | ||
| That's not the... | ||
| No, that's a super ducked out. | ||
| Someone went crazy with that one. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| It's nice. | ||
| Yeah, you can still find them. | ||
| They're all red. | ||
| They're all red with a black roof, and you can still find them for sale, but they're obscenely expensive now. | ||
| They're a great little car, though. | ||
| There's something about those cars, too. | ||
| You feel like you're in a jet, because the way the cockpit sits, it's very purpose-driven. | ||
| It's a really great car. | ||
| I had two of them, actually. | ||
| Oh, wow. | ||
| Yeah, I had one with the flip-up lights, and then there he is. | ||
| Ayrton Senna. | ||
| What do you think of the new NSX? It's great. | ||
| It's a great car, but it's not the same thing. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| Like, it's a supercar with four-wheel drive and a hybrid engine, and it's got electric engines. | ||
| Two electric motors, yeah. | ||
| And also a gasoline engine. | ||
| It's spectacularly fast. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| But the old NSX was an aluminum car that was rear-wheel drive, mid-engine, six-speed. | ||
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Wow. | |
| And it was an amazing little light car. | ||
| I want to say it was like 2,400 pounds or something really light. | ||
| That's crazy light. | ||
| Yeah, crazy light. | ||
| Like aluminum, you know? | ||
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Yeah. | |
| horsepower engine, you know, for the time it was a quick car, but it was like the Japanese answer to Ferrari because Ferraris were beautiful, but they fucking break like crazy because my people make them. | ||
| You don't want my people engineering. | ||
| They're fucking animals. | ||
| You don't want those fucking posse-eating chimps designing your shit. | ||
| Maybe the way it looks, but then you hand it over to a German guy or a Japanese person. | ||
| No, no, this won't do it. | ||
| So the Japanese are like, we got it, dude. | ||
| Just sit down. | ||
| I see what you're doing. | ||
| I see what you're doing. | ||
| And we're going to make one that doesn't break. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| I mean, I love those challenges back and forth. | ||
| I mean, you know, I love that. | ||
| I mean, I saw that. | ||
| Finally saw that Ford Ferrari movie. | ||
| I still haven't seen it. | ||
| I was glad I saw it. | ||
| I know they took some liberties here and there. | ||
| But, yeah, kind of a cool lesson in decisions that companies make about emotional products, you know, and also just like, you know, dudes being dudes or whatever. | ||
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Like, well, we're going to create a race program that's going... | |
| Derail the Italians. | ||
| And then them changing their... | ||
| The Italians going like, I've changed my mind. | ||
| I go with other company. | ||
| Whatever. | ||
| The whole thing is obviously very dramatic. | ||
| But it is wonderful to see what can happen if people just put their heads together and go, you know what? | ||
| We're going to fucking create a sick race car right now. | ||
| And we're going to get an amazing team together. | ||
| We're going to put it together. | ||
| And the modern GT is gorgeous. | ||
| It's a car that I've wanted for a long time. | ||
| The modern GT, especially the light version, the all carbon fiber version of it. | ||
| You can buy one, but they're like a million dollars. | ||
| They're too much, and you have to go into this special thing where you have to know somebody who gets you in it. | ||
| Well, now you can get them because the two-year expiration date has passed. | ||
| You can actually get them on the resale market. | ||
| Oh, yeah. | ||
| There's one for sale like a mile away from here. | ||
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Really? | |
| Go look at it. | ||
| I don't know. | ||
| I'm happy with my car. | ||
| They're too expensive. | ||
| Yeah, my car is like, I'm very happy with it. | ||
| No, you have a beautiful car. | ||
| It's a good, and I like my Tesla too, which is what I drive most of the time. | ||
| Do you tell people what your other car is that we're talking about? | ||
| Are we going to keep it a mystery? | ||
| You say it like I love my car. | ||
| For the first time on national TV. I mean, yeah, we can say what it is. | ||
| I mean, it's kind of a car that means a lot to me because a weird thing, my dad was a car dude and I never understood it. | ||
| Oh, really? | ||
| Yeah, my mom told me stories about basically when he met her, he had an Opal. | ||
| It was kind of a cheap Opal. | ||
| And then he ended up buying a Pontiac Firebird. | ||
| I forget what color it was, but it was a type of green. | ||
| Anyways, he had this amazing American sports car in Europe, and everyone was freaking out over it. | ||
| And he had that, and then his second car was a... | ||
| I can't remember what his third car was, but then his car after that was a Chrysler Cordoba, which was kind of just like a classy, chill, kind of, yeah, like a luxury sedan is what it was. | ||
| But it was still two-door, so it was a luxury coupe, I guess. | ||
| He had that, and he loved cars. | ||
| And I just didn't put that together. | ||
| So then when I finally got my stuff together, and I had enough credit, thanks to my business managers, and knock on wood, I had enough credit where this car that I have, it cost me very little money. | ||
| It was like $5,000 to get into it. | ||
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What? | |
| Yeah. | ||
| How's that possible? | ||
| I don't know. | ||
| $5,000 down payment? | ||
| And then you pay per month? | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| Oh, okay. | ||
| Yeah, yeah, yeah. | ||
| I was like, that car is not a $5,000. | ||
| Somebody's lying to you. | ||
| No, no, no. | ||
| No, it's a $5,000 car. | ||
| Let me look at your book. | ||
| Someone's lying to you, Reggie. | ||
| Goddammit, Joe Rogan. | ||
| Somebody fucked you over. | ||
| That is how much it costs. | ||
| $5,000. | ||
| Your manager's a creep. | ||
| There's cocaine in your car. | ||
| Well, maybe. | ||
| It's a Porsche 911, a Carrera 4S, 992, the new one. | ||
| It's a dope car. | ||
| I'm very impressed with it. | ||
| This is the first time I've seen one of the new ones in person. | ||
| And I was saying that your car is, it's not understated, but it is compared to the Turbo S, but it's the perfect amount of sleek design, but slightly, compared to a car, for the amount of performance that that car has under the hood, Or under the bonnet, I guess you would say, because it's the rear. | ||
| That's right. | ||
| Would they say the bonnet? | ||
| No, I guess they would. | ||
| I don't know what they call it. | ||
| Well, there is no back hatch for it. | ||
| The bonnet is what the British call the front, right? | ||
| The bonnet is the front, yes. | ||
| The boot is the trunk. | ||
| But it's not a boot. | ||
| But it's not a boot. | ||
| And you can't see it. | ||
| You can't see the engine on the U99s. | ||
| Oh yeah, you see like two fans. | ||
| Yeah, it's two fans. | ||
| That's it. | ||
| So you have the 4S. It is a fucking beautiful car, man. | ||
| But it's like, it's so sleek. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| Understated. | ||
| Yeah, it's super sexy. | ||
| It's really weird. | ||
| Sometimes I look at it and I'm like, that looks pretty badass. | ||
| And then the other night I had it parked at night and I showed my friend. | ||
| We walked up to it and it just looks so crazy sexy. | ||
| Like in a way that I'm not used to feeling about a car. | ||
| It feels. | ||
| But it was built. | ||
| I do. | ||
| Sorry. | ||
| I get feels. | ||
| It was built in the town I was born in. | ||
| It was built in Stuttgart. | ||
| Sorry, the Porsche is from Stuttgart. | ||
| I think it was actually built in another village. | ||
| How come some of them have the big fat single exhaust tips, the two tips, and then yours has four tips? | ||
| That's the sports exhaust. | ||
| I kind of like the way yours looks better. | ||
| Yeah, it's weird. | ||
| I thought that I ordered... | ||
| There's a couple things that I didn't include in the spec that I thought I did. | ||
| So they didn't come, but I'm actually glad that I didn't get them. | ||
| But the sports exhaust was one. | ||
| And I realized sports exhaust doesn't give you any performance at all. | ||
| Just makes it louder. | ||
| Just makes it louder, which I didn't really understand. | ||
| I thought sports exhaust, it must get rid of... | ||
| It must exhaust better. | ||
| It just makes you a more obnoxious person. | ||
| Yeah, and I'm glad because I don't want to attract attention. | ||
| It's a beautiful car, man. | ||
| It's so well engineered, man. | ||
| There's so many things you were telling me that it does that I didn't know, like the night vision shit. | ||
| Yeah, the surround view, when you're backing up, that's a lifesaver. | ||
| I've always wanted to have that in a car. | ||
| God, that car's sick. | ||
| And it has tech that all cars should have, you know? | ||
| I mean, the way I viewed it is like, you know, I wanted to drive a Porsche because everybody who drives Porsche always says the same thing. | ||
| It's the benchmark. | ||
| It's like, it's a driver's car. | ||
| Why do you have to say it like that, bro? | ||
| Well, because that's what it sounded like in the beginning to me. | ||
| Because I was like, okay, okay, okay. | ||
| Settle down, asshole. | ||
| It's like everyone going, like, Game of Thrones. | ||
| You've got to see Game of Thrones. | ||
| That's me. | ||
| I haven't seen it. | ||
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I will not see it. | |
| You've got to see it. | ||
| I'm not going to see it. | ||
| We're not going to talk about anything else. | ||
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Oh, damn it. | |
| No. | ||
| No. | ||
| It's the greatest show in the history of the world. | ||
| Sure, okay. | ||
| How dare you? | ||
| I know. | ||
| I'm sorry. | ||
| I'm so sorry. | ||
| I'll get to it. | ||
| For you, I'll do it. | ||
| Please, thank you. | ||
| But people were right about the Porsche. | ||
| But they were right. | ||
| Because I purposefully didn't. | ||
| I never rented one. | ||
| I never drove one. | ||
| And I never drove one until I had one. | ||
| And as soon as I took my first drive, it was like me and my assistant, because my assistant has been with me for like 12 years. | ||
| And she helped me, you know, with all this stuff. | ||
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That's a big leap. | |
| So you just buy it. | ||
| You didn't even test drive it. | ||
| I didn't test drive it because when people speak enough about this, you know, Porsche, Porsche, Porsche, Porsche, Porsche, they're not lying. | ||
| Like they're not there. | ||
| No one's making this shit up. | ||
| And so, and I drove it. | ||
| You should talk to someone who's really into Scientology. | ||
| You might be wrong about that. | ||
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There's a lot of people that are into shit that's nonsense. | |
| But this is not a nonsense car. | ||
| That's a masterful piece of engineering. | ||
| Yeah, I mean, I drove it from Montana down to L.A., and I thought it was going to be uncomfortable. | ||
| I was like, that's a sports car. | ||
| It's going to be uncomfortable. | ||
| Because I had an Audi TTRS before this, and that had the track suspension, and that was an unforgiving suspension. | ||
| Everywhere you went, you were like, ugh, ugh, ugh. | ||
| You're just getting thrown all over the place. | ||
| And this car is so civilized. | ||
| And when you're on the road, you're like, I can do anything, but I'm just going to chill. | ||
| For me, I just kind of set my cruise control. | ||
| That's the other thing. | ||
| It has adaptive cruise control, which is a very, very important thing when it comes to... | ||
| Any car, really, but a sports car especially, and I didn't have it in the TTR. So if you're in bumper-to-bumper traffic, you're just pedaling back and forth, pedaling back and forth, and it sucks. | ||
| But with the Porsche, I just set it, you know, and just cruise, and it had lane keep assist. | ||
| But you have a Tesla. | ||
| I have a Tesla, yeah. | ||
| But doesn't your Tesla do that, too? | ||
| Well, Tesla does autopilot, which is a whole nother league. | ||
| That's my favorite. | ||
| That's my absolute favorite. | ||
| I love autopilot. | ||
| When I come home from the commie store and it's late at night, That is the move. | ||
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Yes. | |
| I just love it. | ||
| I'm a little tired. | ||
| I don't feel like driving. | ||
| I just put a couple fingers on that thing and kind of pay attention. | ||
| I pay attention, but get it going. | ||
| Just let it take over. | ||
| It's so sweet. | ||
| I've been using autopilot for probably 70% of my drives since it came out. | ||
| And there's some new upgrade that I got, but I haven't done anything to it. | ||
| There's some new upgrade, like full autopilot. | ||
| I don't know what that does. | ||
| I did that too. | ||
| Yeah, it's not really doing a lot right now yet. | ||
| It's starting to recognize traffic lights. | ||
| So you will get a warning when a traffic light's turning yellow to red. | ||
| There'll be that. | ||
| That's the beginning of that. | ||
| And then... | ||
| There's a couple other things, like physical stop sign. | ||
| It can read, oh, there's a stop sign. | ||
| Things like that. | ||
| But nothing is automated. | ||
| Those aren't automated. | ||
| They're only recognition things. | ||
| So right now it's recognizing things that it could be active in, but it's not doing it. | ||
| Interesting. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| I love autopilot. | ||
| I mean, I will say with the Porsche, that's my last gas car that I'm going to get. | ||
| I just wanted to experience it. | ||
| And know what it's about. | ||
| And then I'm going to probably move on to, I don't know, something. | ||
| Or maybe I'll just, you know, something will happen and the world will completely change and I'll have no access to my resources and I'll just go back to just gardening. | ||
| Yeah, man, you might have to get an axe. | ||
| Yeah, I'll have to get an axe. | ||
| Learn how to start a fire with two sticks. | ||
| Yeah, you know, but I grew up a boy scout. | ||
| I'm ready, man. | ||
| You know, it's like that, what is that Einstein quote? | ||
| I don't know what weapons they're going to use in World War III, but World War IV will be fought with sticks. | ||
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Yeah. | |
| Oh, I love that. | ||
| That's beautiful. | ||
| That's totally true. | ||
| I mean, we're going to see, man. | ||
| We're going to see. | ||
| Well, they're fighting this with rocks. | ||
| Yeah, I know. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| With provided rocks. | ||
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Yeah. | |
| God. | ||
| It's like, are they, they're trying to corporatize? | ||
| I don't know. | ||
| I'm not going to go back there. | ||
| I'm so confused. | ||
| All I know is I'm going to do my best to promote... | ||
| Peace and love. | ||
| Peace and love and understanding and education, education, education. | ||
| This is the perfect storm with all these people out of work. | ||
| I think that was ultimately extremely irresponsible. | ||
| To just shut the economy down for as long as they did. | ||
| I think it's a terrible idea. | ||
| I think it creates unrest. | ||
| When you see unrest in all these countries, you're not seeing it in rich communities. | ||
| You're not seeing people in Calabasas lashing out. | ||
| It's not a Beverly Hills thing. | ||
| It's the things that happen when people don't have anything. | ||
| You've greatly increased the amount of people that are fucked. | ||
| And then you've thrown this horrific circumstance where we all get to watch a video of someone being murdered by a cop while these other cops sit around and watch. | ||
| And then this is all compounded by all these videos. | ||
| There's a video that I tweeted where this fucking guy is at a stoplight And these Denver cops are shooting his car with pepper gas. | ||
| And he's like, hey man, my fucking pregnant girlfriend's in this car. | ||
| Are you fucking guys really shooting? | ||
| I'm like, I'm not a criminal. | ||
| And so they keep shooting it. | ||
| They shoot at his car more. | ||
| So as he's sitting there in his car, they're shooting pepper canisters, whatever the fuck they have. | ||
| Shooting pepper spray at his fucking car. | ||
| I'm like, what are you doing? | ||
| There's so many videos of these cops doing horrible shit during this time. | ||
| And they know that they're being filmed, which is really crazy to me. | ||
| They think they're protected because they're wearing riot gear and no one could recognize them. | ||
| Look at this. | ||
| So these guys are standing there. | ||
| Give me a volume on this so you can hear this fucking guy. | ||
| Can you hear it? | ||
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Yeah. | |
| Are you? | ||
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Shoot it! | |
| Fuck you! | ||
| You shot a car with a pregnant woman in it! | ||
| With fucking tear gas! | ||
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Fuck you! | |
| I ain't going no way! | ||
| Fuck you bitches! | ||
| Fuck you! | ||
| Shoot it again! | ||
| Please fucking break it! | ||
| Shoot it again! | ||
| Look, they're shooting tear gas at his car. | ||
| Like why? | ||
| The pregnant woman in the car. | ||
| First of all, you're being a fucking moron. | ||
| Because this pregnant woman's in the car and you're asking them to shoot tear gas at him. | ||
| I know, I know. | ||
| He's definitely exacerbating it. | ||
| But at the same time, they should be not doing that at all. | ||
| At all. | ||
| Because there's no reason. | ||
| This is not like this guy's a threat to humanity. | ||
| He's not a threat. | ||
| He's just impassioned and he's loud and he's saying stuff. | ||
| And it's like, they've got all the gear. | ||
| They have to show the restraint. | ||
| They're having fun shooting in a car with a pregnant woman inside of it. | ||
| Just the fact that they knew that there's a pregnant woman inside of it. | ||
| It's just insane to me. | ||
| I mean... | ||
| Someone should have gone over there, liked that fucking sheriff from Flint, talked to him, apologized, and then keep the car moving. | ||
| The problem is, you know, my friend Tim Kennedy was tweeting this, that there needs to be some... | ||
| He's a ranger, a special forces guy, and used to fight in the UFC, and he tweeted there needs to be some sort of a fundamental change in how we train law enforcement. | ||
| Exactly. | ||
| And I think the way they train, like if you go through BUDS, if you become a Navy SEAL, you have to be exceptional. | ||
| You have to be an exceptional human being to get through that. | ||
| And that's the way they weed out the people that can't cut it. | ||
| That's how they do it. | ||
| But they don't do that for the cops. | ||
| For the cops, it's far easier. | ||
| And you're around civilian life, you're around cities and urban areas, and you're dealing with constant conflict. | ||
| And so you don't weed out the people. | ||
| You actually actively recruit people. | ||
| I remember driving down Sunset Boulevard, I was talking about the great... | ||
| Great pay that you could get being a Los Angeles police officer because nobody wanted to be a cop in L.A. They're fucking advertising. | ||
| Like, hey, why don't you work at Chipotle? | ||
| Hey, why don't you be a cop and get shot at? | ||
| It's fucking crazy! | ||
| It's in the same line as working at the farmer's market. | ||
| You can also be a police officer. | ||
| And look, there are great cops, man. | ||
| There's great cops. | ||
| There's great people out there. | ||
| But it's a hard job and it is not for everybody. | ||
| It's a hard job. | ||
| It's not for everybody. | ||
| And they just need to do a better job of training and weeding out. | ||
| They really, really need to do. | ||
| And they need to make their officers accountable and not be afraid to like, oh, you know, so-and-so's blah, blah, blah, blah. | ||
| It's like, oh, no, that's a snitch or whatever. | ||
| Or we're going to fucking demote you or we're going to put you on traffic duty or whatever. | ||
| It's like that shit needs to stop. | ||
| It's like take your job seriously, man. | ||
| And it's existed across the board. | ||
| It's been there forever. | ||
| Did you ever see the documentary, The 7-5? | ||
| No. | ||
| It's a documentary about corrupt cops in New York. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| It's fucking amazing. | ||
| It's amazing. | ||
| The guy who was the head guy in The 7-5 that we had on the podcast. | ||
| Mike Dowd. | ||
| Yeah, Mike Dowd. | ||
| Mike Dowd, who's a great guy, who's a real piece of shit back in the day, but owns it and talks about it. | ||
| I mean, he was driving a Corvette and selling drugs and helping drug dealers. | ||
| But I mean, shit that you wouldn't believe it was in a movie. | ||
| And it was all real. | ||
| And the film documents all of it. | ||
| It is madness. | ||
| I mean, top to bottom, beginning to end, madness. | ||
| The documentary you watch at the end, you're fucking sweating and you're like, holy shit! | ||
| Like, these guys were living like this. | ||
| Selling coke, robbing drug dealers, coming out of there with bags of cash. | ||
| Like, crazy! | ||
| Oh my god. | ||
| I mean, yeah. | ||
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Cops! | |
| I know, cops. | ||
| I know. | ||
| I know. | ||
| And I talked to my friend Scotty, Scotty Reitz, or back in the day, he was just like saying like, I was in SWAT in the 70s in LA. And we were part of the first league of SWAT. And he's like, the shit that people would do that he would see in the department all the time and would They had to deal with and then there were all like those purges that happened throughout the the years You know once yeah, there'd be this corruption thing and then they would just have to fucking let go. | ||
| How about the rampart unit, right? | ||
| Didn't they disband that? | ||
| Oh, what was the rampart unit? | ||
| That was the people that they suspected someone from the rampart unit of killing Biggie They think that yeah, yeah, there was a crazy Rolling Stone article that someone paid him off They suggested it was Suge Knight that was involved and Oh my god. | ||
| Yes. | ||
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Crazy. | |
| Yeah, well, you know, the police department needs to police itself. | ||
| The ultimate police corruption documentary is Cocaine Cowboys. | ||
| Have you seen that? | ||
| Oh, I've heard of that. | ||
| Oh my goodness. | ||
| Cocaine Cowboys and Cocaine Cowboys 2 are probably in my top ten of all-time favorite documentaries. | ||
| Okay. | ||
| Billy Corbin, the director, on the podcast several times. | ||
| He also made Screwball, that recent documentary on A-Rod. | ||
| It's all about steroids. | ||
| Oh, I didn't know that. | ||
| It's genius, because he used little kids to play A-Rod and all the other people. | ||
| Yeah, yeah, yeah. | ||
| In the movie, as a recreation. | ||
| Oh, my gosh. | ||
| It's a genius movie. | ||
| Oh, my gosh. | ||
| Screwball. | ||
| Yeah, it's... | ||
| It's a genius movie. | ||
| Billy's a brilliant, brilliant guy. | ||
| He's one of those rare, really intelligent, proud Floridians. | ||
| I got you. | ||
| A really intelligent guy who loves Miami. | ||
| He's a paradox. | ||
| Rare breed. | ||
| That's a very rare breed. | ||
| Very rare breed. | ||
| But Cocaine Cowboys 1 and 2 are so goddamn good and so crazy. | ||
| There was one year in the 80s that the entire graduating class from the police academy was either murdered or went to jail for corruption. | ||
| The entire graduating class. | ||
| They were all on the take. | ||
| Everyone was selling and doing coke. | ||
| Man. | ||
| It is a fucking amazing documentary. | ||
| That's so insane to me. | ||
| Of course. | ||
| I mean, of course. | ||
| Of course. | ||
| Of course. | ||
| I mean, there was so much coke and so much money coming in and they were just all on the take. | ||
| Everybody was on the take. | ||
| And everybody was committing crimes and helping people commit crimes and hiding millions of dollars in holes in the ground in their backyard. | ||
| They think to this day, there's a bunch of dead people that died with millions and millions of dollars in their backyard just buried in holes. | ||
| Oh my lord. | ||
| What a crazy... | ||
| Oh my god. | ||
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Well, there were so many banks in Miami, too. | |
| That's the other thing. | ||
| Why are there so many banks here? | ||
| Because they're all fucking funneling cocaine money. | ||
| At least at the time, there were more banks per capita in Miami than any other city in the country. | ||
| Because they were all just funneling cocaine money and laundering it. | ||
| My gosh. | ||
| I mean, come on. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| I mean, it's that absolute power thing, right? | ||
| Yep. | ||
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Yep. | |
| Yeah. | ||
| I mean, again, it comes back to the same thing. | ||
| First of all, the oversight. | ||
| You can't really oversee that many people correctly. | ||
| I mean, you literally have to be like a one-on-one oversight to police officer, follow them everywhere. | ||
| I mean, that's how deeply embedded the corruption was. | ||
| And I think, again, just look, I was a security guard for one year when I was 19 years old. | ||
| I worked at Great Woods in Mansfield, Massachusetts. | ||
| It's like a concert center. | ||
| And all these guys from my Taekwondo team got jobs working security there. | ||
| So that's how I got the job. | ||
| They were like, hey, you want to work? | ||
| It's easy. | ||
| Just come out there and I'm like, what do you have to do? | ||
| Most of it is stopping people from bringing in booze and keeping people from doing certain shit. | ||
| First day I got there, okay, there's a dude named Alley Cat. | ||
| Alley Cat was the head security guy who ran the joint. | ||
| And they caught this kid, this drunk kid, stealing a golf cart, because everyone would drive around the concert area and golf carts, security guys would. | ||
| So this drunk kid stole this golf cart, they tackled him, and I watched him beat the fuck out of this dude with a walkie-talkie. | ||
| Like, beat this dude in the head with a walkie-talkie. | ||
| This is my first day on the job. | ||
| So I was like, well... | ||
| What did I get myself into? | ||
| Because this seems like we're going to be beating people up. | ||
| And within a couple of weeks of this job, we had all developed this us versus them mentality. | ||
| It was very strange. | ||
| It was us versus them. | ||
| It was like we were cops. | ||
| I saw guys who I knew that were really nice guys being really shitty to patrons, to these people that came to see these concerts. | ||
| Because, you know, they had just sort of developed this attitude. | ||
| And I wound up quitting because of a Neil Young concert. | ||
| There was a Neil Young concert and fires broke out. | ||
| Because, you know, Neil Young fans are all dirtbags. | ||
| Sorry, folks. | ||
| But at the time, in the 1980s in Boston, there was... | ||
| There's a lot of fucking druggies and people that were into Neil Young that were into getting fucked up, man. | ||
| And so these guys had started fires on the lawn area. | ||
| So the way Great Woods is, Great Woods is an amphitheater. | ||
| So there's an enclosed area, and then there's a back area that's the cheap seats. | ||
| It's a lawn. | ||
| And the lawn area, these dudes had just started fires. | ||
| Because it was probably getting cold out. | ||
| They shut the concert down. | ||
| So they had to clear out the concert. | ||
| It was madness and chaos and then brawl started happening. | ||
| People started fighting and then I knew that I was probably going to come to a situation like that. | ||
| I'm a very survival first type of dude. | ||
| So I brought a hoodie with me. | ||
| And I knew that when the shit goes down, I would throw this hoodie over my fucking security outfit. | ||
| I'm out of here. | ||
| And I just quit on the job. | ||
| Never got my last paycheck. | ||
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I just fucking zipped up and bailed. | |
| I'm like, I'm not getting into any fights. | ||
| And no one's stabbing me. | ||
| No one's hitting me. | ||
| I'm getting the fuck out of here. | ||
| And I drove home that night, and I'm like, well, that was an experience. | ||
| I did a few months as a fake cop. | ||
| Oh, wow. | ||
| But you understand how that can happen. | ||
| I remember very clearly that even I was developing, I was mad at people for not listening to me. | ||
| Like I would say, hey man, I told you, park your fucking car on the other side of the line. | ||
| I'm like, why am I talking to this guy like this? | ||
| It becomes, obviously I was 19 and I was a moron, but there's a thing that happens when you have the power and you have control and there's a bunch of other guys with you. | ||
| So I have this team of goons that were with me and then there's these people that don't want to listen. | ||
| And I'm like, hey, I fucking told you to pick that up and put it over there. | ||
| And then you realize, we're the cops. | ||
| We're the bad guys. | ||
| Or we're the ones in control. | ||
| Party poopers. | ||
| It's a thing that happens when you have control. | ||
| And that's a very, very, very, very, very minor control. | ||
| I mean, they could have told me to fuck off and I probably wouldn't have done anything. | ||
| I didn't have a gun. | ||
| I didn't have a weapon. | ||
| I never beat anybody up there. | ||
| There was no real thing. | ||
| Right. | ||
| There was an attitude. | ||
| In this attitude, I remember thinking while this was going on, like, oh, this is what happens. | ||
| And then imagine this times 100, and you can imagine what a cop is. | ||
| With weapons. | ||
| But we had clearly, because there had been, you know, you're dealing with drunks and you're sober. | ||
| There's many times where there was assholes, and we had clearly a divided line between them and us. | ||
| Right. | ||
| Yes. | ||
| That's the danger, man. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| That's so hard. | ||
| And it's hard when it's in a complex situation, like urban environments, you know, where you're like, there's city streets, tall buildings, compact areas, tiny, tiny streets winding around, whatever. | ||
| You know, it's different than being like a cop in like from my hometown, Great Falls, like, you're just cruising around a cruiser, and you can see pretty clearly in every direction, and it's laid out like a grid. | ||
| This call comes in, someone stole a chicken! | ||
| Yeah, and you're just like, oh, well, better go check. | ||
| That's probably all Hank Swenson, if I'm not mistaken. | ||
| Oh, Hank, that chicken-stealing son of a gun. | ||
| Oh, God, you know, or it's some meth kid that's, like, standing in the middle of traffic or something like that, or something like that. | ||
| But it's just totally different rules. | ||
| And not only that, but everything is so, oh, it's so... | ||
| It's so hard to feel like you can communicate with police officers. | ||
| There's never a time when I get pulled over, and I know police officers, but I get pulled over, I'm just immediately terrified. | ||
| And also because I'm a black man, so my immediate thing is, okay, so keep the hands on my wheel. | ||
| The windows are rolled down all the way. | ||
| My license is ready. | ||
| I'm not reaching for anything when they're approaching. | ||
| I'm thinking about all of that stuff while that's happening. | ||
| Which sucks, because I'm sure some officers, if they knew that that's the way I felt, they would hate that. | ||
| Because for them, they're like, I'm just stopping you because this, or whatever. | ||
| I don't want to be that person. | ||
| I know that for those officers that feel that way, it's going to be tough, but they really need to be the ones that are the majority, or at least that are made known to be the majority. | ||
| And then from the cops perspective, anyone you pull over could be the guy that shoots you. | ||
| Of course. | ||
| Anyone you pull over could be some guy who's out on a warrant and you don't know if you're ever going to see your family again. | ||
| Also, I think there's a giant percentage of them that are dealing with just crippling PTSD. Yeah, there's definitely PTSD, and there's also a lack of communication to civilians to be able to also pre-deescalate, you know? | ||
| Because so many videos that I watch, those dash cam footages of people saying, like, you know, a cop coming up to the window and saying, license and registration, and then their immediate thing is, what are you pulling me over for? | ||
| And then the cop is like, can I just have your license and registration? | ||
| And then they keep doing that. | ||
| Whether they have the legal right, which I believe they actually do have the legal right to ask for why you're being pulled over... | ||
| Why take the risk? | ||
| The cop just wants to get the information and do their job and whether they can do that or not. | ||
| If you have it on camera, you've got it on camera. | ||
| Their conduct is on there anyways. | ||
| And then what I tell everybody, it's like, just survive. | ||
| That's what you need to do. | ||
| And that goes for anybody, whether you're a white, black woman, whatever. | ||
| It's like, in general, the attitude is like, survive this. | ||
| Make the officer feel safe. | ||
| And survive it. | ||
| You're not going to arbitrate it in that moment. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| Be polite. | ||
| Be respectful. | ||
| Get it over with. | ||
| And you still could run into the wrong cop. | ||
| Oh, you can still run into the wrong cop. | ||
| There's no doubt about it. | ||
| No doubt about it. | ||
| But it's hard, you know, but you have to hold the line. | ||
| It's harder when everything's against you, when everyone's expecting you to do the wrong thing. | ||
| Well, one thing that's a positive trend, and this is not something that people really even want to discuss after someone gets murdered by the cops, there's been a distinct drop in people being killed by cops since 2015, particularly in black men being killed by cops. | ||
| There is a drop. | ||
| I think I think it's one of those things where whenever something like this happens, it's a catalyst for change. | ||
| It's almost like we need, first of all, How ironic is it that Colin Kaepernick takes all that shit for kneeling at the Super Bowl and this fucking guy kneels on this guy's neck and proves the point. | ||
| Kills the guy by doing the very thing that Colin Kaepernick was criticized for. | ||
| Going down on one knee and doing it to a black guy and killing him. | ||
| Yep. | ||
| Kind of fucking crazy. | ||
| It's really crazy. | ||
| It's sort of symbolic about, like, look, this is what they were talking about. | ||
| This is the thing. | ||
| It's right here in front of your face. | ||
| Now you see it. | ||
| Now you get it. | ||
| Yep. | ||
| I know, yeah. | ||
| Somebody should just sign him. | ||
| She should be like, okay, we fucked up. | ||
| Come on back. | ||
| Oh, I know. | ||
| Come play. | ||
| Please come back. | ||
| Yeah, come play. | ||
| I mean, it's tough, man. | ||
| I mean, you gotta protect your bottom line, you know? | ||
| It's like when there's a corporation involved. | ||
| It's tough for people to speak out. | ||
| They didn't want anybody being the guy who gets attention from protesting. | ||
| They're like, this is a bad precedent to set. | ||
| I don't know anything about football, so I don't know what his skill level was, whether or not he would... | ||
| I mean, those guys get pushed in and out anyway. | ||
| Like, the number of years that a guy can play, the average number of years that a guy can play professionally in the NFL, I think it's like two. | ||
| Yeah, two or three years. | ||
| Yeah, it's crazy because it's so brutal. | ||
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| And, you know, fresh, young, hungry guys are coming up out of college every fucking day. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| Yeah, but it's like, you know, it's the same thing with Facebook and Zuckerberg and his, like, you know, his continued position of, like, well, we've got to balance things. | ||
| It's like it all... | ||
| It just comes off, like, the reaction to Kaepernick or Facebook's reluctance to do anything or even, like... | ||
| Facebook's reluctance to do anything about what? | ||
| Well, Zuckerberg is basically saying, we're not here to edit anything. | ||
| And I'm not saying that I'm for editing. | ||
| But it's okay if you're in charge of a company. | ||
| You're the face of the company. | ||
| So what you do is a reflection of what you believe in, right? | ||
| So in his particular case, he must actually believe this, but he just believes that to say nothing, to do nothing about the things that are posted, which... | ||
| You know, you can argue in court all day. | ||
| Does it incite violence or is it just someone expressing their free speech or, you know, whatever the deal is. | ||
| But if someone's consistently hitting a certain angle and the response is pretty palpable and fairly measurable, and yet you choose to just allow it to be what it is because, you know, people will figure it out. | ||
| They'll educate themselves, that type of a thing. | ||
| You have to take some kind of a position from a humanitarian point of view. | ||
| And I think that I'm very disappointed in social media in general because they're trying to protect their bottom line. | ||
| And that's really what it comes off as. | ||
| It doesn't come off as like, well, I want to protect free speech. | ||
| It, to me, comes across more like we need to protect our bottom line because if we start editing something, then it's going to be a huge landslide. | ||
| Everyone's going to be like, oh, well, screw these guys for stifling free speech and all of that stuff. | ||
| When in actuality, the only reason why you would make decisions like that are really just to protect the bottom line. | ||
| I don't really understand any other... | ||
| I mean, even Apple takes a position, you know, like Tim Cook will issue a letter that's then able to be circulated and you can read the letter and like, oh, okay, that's interesting. | ||
| They don't believe in this and they don't believe in this as a company. | ||
| Zuckerberg is more like... | ||
| Well, I believe in whatever the greater bland generalization is for my operating system existing. | ||
| Well, first of all, if we want to talk the difference between Apple and Facebook, these differences are gigantic. | ||
| Apple is a technology company. | ||
| They are not a social media platform. | ||
| The difference between the responsibility of a technology company and the responsibility of a social media platform is enormous. | ||
| It's enormous. | ||
| The consequences are enormous. | ||
| Apple makes phones and computers and they have an app store and, you know, they take down bad apps and, you know, things that they find that are spying on people and the like, but they don't really have the same dilemmas that someone like Facebook has. | ||
| When you talk about the importance of free speech, when as soon as you decide, okay, this person can't talk, but this person can, what you're essentially saying is my viewpoint is better than the viewpoint of the person that I disagree with. | ||
| Now, if you have very specific things, like you can't dox people, you can't threaten people, you can't say anything racist or sexist or homophobic or... | ||
| Once you establish those parameters, if you decide that this is how you're going to operate, if this is your company, There's a real good argument that you should be allowed to do that because it's your company, | ||
| but then when the company gets big enough where it's like Facebook or Twitter, then you get a real argument like, wow, the best argument for bad speech, the best antidote, is more speech. | ||
| It's better speech. | ||
| So if someone says something that's wrong, there's a real education value in being Being able to correct that and having other people correct it, like just eliminating it in some ways strengthens the resolve of the people that hold that marginalized idea, whether it's racism or sexism or whatever. | ||
| When you just eliminate it, then they go off and it tends to strengthen their resolve. | ||
| Sure, sure. | ||
| And then, particularly when it comes to things like right-wing issues or left-wing issues, if you're running a – there's no right-wing social media site that's as popular as the left-wing ones – but if there was, and they just decided, we're not going to tolerate any trans stuff, If you start talking about how a man who has a sex change is now a woman, we're going to tell you to go fuck yourself. | ||
| That's not real. | ||
| We're not going to tolerate abortion. | ||
| You want to talk about abortion, right? | ||
| You're killing babies. | ||
| Get the fuck off our platform. | ||
| That's the kind of shit that right-wing zealots would do to people that hold left-wing ideology. | ||
| But Conversely, you do see that from people who are left-wing zealots, who are angry about people who have right-wing ideas, and maybe even not so right-wing. | ||
| I'm sorry if you've heard this before, I used this. | ||
| Example, if you're listening, Megan Murphy, who is what you would call a trans-exclusionary radical feminist. | ||
| They call her a TERF. And what that means is she's a person that's a feminist that doesn't believe that you can just change your sex and then you can have these arguments and deal with women's issues. | ||
| Like, a trans person she believes is different than a woman and a feminist. | ||
| And there was some sort of a debate she was having online with someone on Twitter, and she said, but a man is never a woman. | ||
| And so they told her she has to take that down. | ||
| On what? | ||
| On Twitter. | ||
| Okay. | ||
| So she takes it down, and then she makes a screenshot of it and posts that. | ||
| And so they ban her for life. | ||
| For life. | ||
| For saying a man is never a woman. | ||
| Look, it's one thing if you're shitting on someone and you're mad at someone, you're saying a man is never a woman. | ||
| But if you want to just talk biology, a man is never a woman. | ||
| So if you're a person who is a left-wing progressive zealot and you don't want anybody that's not adhering or complying to the ideology of progressive people, You ban someone like that. | ||
| You know what I'm saying? | ||
| This is the problem with censorship. | ||
| Where do you draw the line? | ||
| My opinion in that case is you let that woman say that, and you let people correct her, and you let people correct the people that correct her, and you get a lively debate where people get to discuss whether or not they are different things. | ||
| And I think there's a real valid intellectual argument in that. | ||
| There's a valid social argument in that. | ||
| See, but this is the problem with censorship. | ||
| Well, you know, and my thing is, like, I'm not exactly, I'm not saying, I'm not saying to censor. | ||
| I'm just saying weighing in on the conversation. | ||
| So how do you do that, though? | ||
| Well, you take responsibility for it. | ||
| But what specifically are we talking about? | ||
| Well, I'm just saying like, uh, for instance, if I look at my comments, uh, so they say I post something on Twitter and there's all these comments or whatever, like, like a lot of my friends who have Twitter accounts, they may, uh, they may read the comment and be like, oh, that guy's an asshole or whatever and never say anything. | ||
| And there's just like all of these, you know, comments that are some of those just troll people just trying to get reactions and stuff like that. | ||
| All that, all that. | ||
| I like to personally engage all of that shit and I like to come at them with a conversation. | ||
| And the thing that ends up happening with something like Facebook is because it's – I'm just a – I guess I'm biased because I don't think very much of Zuckerberg at all. | ||
| And he's just kind of a little bit of a thief or a lot of bit of a thief. | ||
| He's a thief and he's not an innovator in any way. | ||
| He's running a company. | ||
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When you say a thief – Well, because he stole the ideas. | |
| I have some people that were going to school with him around that time period, and he just basically stole the initial code for Facebook, which was generated by a few different people, and just kind of made off with it. | ||
| It's like how many companies are formed. | ||
| It's like someone had an idea. | ||
| There's no way for them to protect the idea because someone capitalized on the idea first. | ||
| How come those people can't sue him? | ||
| I don't know. | ||
| I don't know. | ||
| I think it's because it's arbitrary. | ||
| I think it's like where that came from, where the original code came from and so forth is arbitrary. | ||
| So they must be furious. | ||
| I know that they're furious, you know, and I know that they're furious and I know some other people from startups that also addressed it. | ||
| No, of course he's not going to address it. | ||
| I mean, maybe he did. | ||
| I don't know. | ||
| I'm not an expert on it. | ||
| All I know is that in the beginning there was that, and then in parallel, as it was growing and as they were making decisions, I would hear from people that are in his orbit that would kind of describe his decision-making processes and so forth. | ||
| And I don't get a sense that he understands... | ||
| His social responsibility or his responsibility to the identity of the company seems very far removed. | ||
| And his actions kind of dictate that. | ||
| It's like a little bit laissez faire in a sense that... | ||
| Going back to my comments, I'm commenting on those things because I'm letting people comment, but I'm engaging in a conversation with them in hopes that we can talk about stuff. | ||
| Are you open to anybody being able to comment back to you and say whatever they want? | ||
| Yes, of course. | ||
| What is the explanation that YouTube did for this? | ||
| But this is the problem with banning comments or deleting comments. | ||
| That stuff can get co-opted. | ||
| And there was a situation recently where YouTube was caught deleting comments that were critical of the Chinese Communist Party. | ||
| And what they said was that it was a software glitch. | ||
| Oh, yeah, yeah. | ||
| No, that's them protecting their bottom line. | ||
| A hundred percent, right? | ||
| That's what I would imagine. | ||
| Totally. | ||
| But I saw that, and I said, okay, but that's what I'm talking about. | ||
| Like, that kind of shit? | ||
| Like, once someone comes in and says, hey, we would really like it if you removed those things that talk about some of the mean stuff that we do over here, and we're willing to do business with you, but we want you to put filters up. | ||
| Yes. | ||
| So they said it was a software glitch. | ||
| I don't know how that software glitches magically works out in favor of the Chinese Communist Party. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| I mean, that's that's my problem. | ||
| I mean, I don't have I'm not saying get rid of stuff. | ||
| I'm just saying be more accountable as the face of a company. | ||
| So what would you like him to do differently? | ||
| Well, I know you don't like him, but so is it just Facebook or do you have this problem with YouTube? | ||
| Do you have this problem with Twitter? | ||
| I mean, here's my problem. | ||
| Whenever power is consolidated, there are always going to be problems because there's going to be all these different ways that people wish that it were and it's not working for them in this way and so forth. | ||
| My thing is the future is distributed. | ||
| It's a distributed network, distributed social networks. | ||
| I have my own app, WhatsApp, that I created. | ||
| Oh, what's that? | ||
| It's just an app. | ||
| It's, yeah, WhatsApp. | ||
| It's only on iOS, but you can look for it. | ||
| What do you do? | ||
| It just has exclusive content. | ||
| I created a bunch of interviews with Jack White and Leslie Feist and Fred Armisen are on there in this stupid series I call Droneversations that shot entirely on drones. | ||
| And you can't really hear the conversation because the drones are too loud. | ||
| Really? | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| It's really stupid. | ||
| But yeah, check it out. | ||
| WhatsApp. | ||
| It's out there. | ||
| But it's got live streaming. | ||
| I have a store that I sell all my old electronics on. | ||
| But I have other artists that are interested in making an app. | ||
| But apps are notoriously... | ||
| The cost prohibitive. | ||
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They're so expensive. | |
| Over $100,000 to create an app, right? | ||
| So I managed to get my app made for a really, really cheap price. | ||
| A brilliant guy named Oliver Thomas Klein designed single-handedly the whole app. | ||
| It was amazing. | ||
| And his aesthetic is awesome. | ||
| But my thing was, if I can create a template and keep getting the price down to make an app and they're just using the template that I created for other artists and other bands, then we can have a distributed network of apps that can intercommunicate with one another without the need of Facebook, Instagram, any of these social media platforms. | ||
| And that way, when a fan comes to visit my site, they know it's my shit. | ||
| It's not being tracked. | ||
| No one's getting tracked. | ||
| For my app, there's no social component to it. | ||
| People can't comment on anything. | ||
| There's just content to observe, events to behold, and electronics and headphones to be bought. | ||
| And that's it. | ||
| So when you go there, it feels like a safe space. | ||
| And so if there's an interconnected network... | ||
| Of distributed apps which essentially are just kind of interactive websites I guess that's what an app is ultimately. | ||
| Now you've got something that's distributed. | ||
| Fans can kind of trust that it's a safe space. | ||
| It's not owned by Facebook. | ||
| It's not owned by any of these corporations. | ||
| So for me, it's about power consolidation. | ||
| It's never going to be what you want it to be. | ||
| It'll be convenient and it'll be ever-present. | ||
| Like Google, for whatever reason, Google, I have a better opinion of than Facebook. | ||
| And mainly, I will say... | ||
| Also, the other big factor with Facebook to me is the aesthetics are a piece of shit. | ||
| It's a confusing, terribly designed piece of shit. | ||
| It also encourages verbose dialogue. | ||
| You could write as long as you want. | ||
| People have these fucking long, rambling... | ||
| Oh, edit, people! | ||
| Edit! | ||
| I know, I know. | ||
| I haven't even seen a Facebook... | ||
| I haven't done Facebook in like nine years, and eight years, nine years... | ||
| And whenever I even get a glimpse of it, my anxiety shoots through the roof because the design is so terrible. | ||
| It is such a shittily designed website. | ||
| It's filled with ads. | ||
| It's terrible. | ||
| And I'll say the only good thing about Facebook is Oculus. | ||
| And they didn't come up with that shit. | ||
| They just bought it. | ||
| Instagram was cool. | ||
| It's kind of still holding it down a little bit. | ||
| They own it though, right? | ||
| But they didn't create it. | ||
| What have they done to it? | ||
| They haven't done anything different. | ||
| They made ads. | ||
| Now there's ads everywhere. | ||
| Oh, that's true. | ||
| Now they're tracking everything. | ||
| The timeline is not chronological. | ||
| It's algorithmical. | ||
| That's weird. | ||
| That's really weird. | ||
| So they're basically tweaking. | ||
| It used to be chronological. | ||
| It used to be chronological, which it should always be chronological, but they fucked with it. | ||
| Isn't that an option, though, where you could view it chronologically? | ||
| I don't think so. | ||
| No, I can't find a way to change it. | ||
| Everyone argues about it. | ||
| It's just terrible design, but that's all we got, right? | ||
| We got Twitter, we got Instagram, and then we've got some TikTok, which is owned by a Chinese company. | ||
| They can fuck off. | ||
| The government won't let you put that on your phone. | ||
| Oh, yeah. | ||
| You're in the military. | ||
| Yeah, yeah, yeah. | ||
| Yeah, because it's owned by a Chinese company, which I have no problem with Chinese people, but the Chinese government? | ||
| Oh, yeah. | ||
| Super creepy. | ||
| Yeah, well, there's this guy that I follow. | ||
| Let me find his thing on YouTube. | ||
| He's an internet privacy guy. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| And I've gotten really deep into this lately. | ||
| Let me find out. | ||
| I've got a bunch of subscriptions here. | ||
| I have to figure out what my fucking subscriptions are. | ||
| Yeah, too many. | ||
| I have way too many. | ||
| I have too many. | ||
| This internet privacy guy, he sells these things on his website that are de-Google phones. | ||
| Really? | ||
| Yeah, yeah, yeah. | ||
| Goddamn, where do you find your subscriptions on your app? | ||
| Oh, let's see. | ||
| Where the fuck is it? | ||
| Oh, there it is. | ||
| Your channel, your membership, your data settings. | ||
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Subscriptions. | |
| Where's my fucking subscriptions, piece of shit? | ||
| Oh, here we go. | ||
| If you put in subscriptions as a general search, it's under your ID. Oh, okay. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| Hold on a second. | ||
| Subscriptions. | ||
| Guys, here's all my subscriptions and my passcodes. | ||
| So, here we go. | ||
| Where is this fucking... | ||
| No, that's... | ||
| I put it in there. | ||
| It didn't show me. | ||
| Where are you finding it? | ||
| Oh, yeah. | ||
| If you do, it's under Apple ID. Oh, under Apple ID? Yeah. | ||
| You know, someday... | ||
| Where is that? | ||
| It says settings. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| So, right here at the very top with your, like, little image. | ||
| Just click on that. | ||
| Oh, okay. | ||
| Hmm. | ||
| And then subscriptions are right the fourth after payment and shipping. | ||
| Okay. | ||
| Anyway, this guy has, he's a huge proponent of online privacy. | ||
| And so he sells all of these. | ||
| Here it is. | ||
| Apple ID, subscription. | ||
| He sells all of, well this is, no. | ||
| That's not what I'm looking for. | ||
| I'm looking for the YouTube stuff that I subscribe to. | ||
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| Oh, and the YouTube app then. | ||
| Sorry, I didn't know where you're at. | ||
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| YouTube. | ||
| Where do you find it? | ||
| Just at the bottom now, they've changed it. | ||
| So hit library. | ||
| Okay. | ||
| And then there you can hit, or if you just hit the subscriptions button, actually, you should be able to. | ||
| But that's going to be categorical by, like, most recent uploads. | ||
| But I see on library, I don't see... | ||
| I see my videos, downloads, where's the bottom? | ||
| The bottom, right in the middle. | ||
| Unless your app hasn't updated or something like that. | ||
| They keep moving it. | ||
| Right. | ||
| But that's just showing me videos. | ||
| It's not showing me channels. | ||
| At the top, then you can search for the channels that you're subscribed through. | ||
| It's a feed. | ||
| Yeah, see right here? | ||
| There should be just right at the bottom, it just says subscriptions. | ||
| Yeah, I got that. | ||
| Oh, you got that. | ||
| Yeah, but it's not showing me the channels. | ||
| Oh, yeah. | ||
| Okay, here we go. | ||
| There you go. | ||
| Okay, I found it. | ||
| Boy, this is fucking clunky. | ||
| Man, it's not your fault. | ||
| Whenever that shit happens, it's bad design. | ||
| Oh, I subscribe to too many. | ||
| This could be a long, boring, boring thing. | ||
| But just see if you can find Internet Privacy Guide. | ||
| I don't know if that's... | ||
| No, that's one of them. | ||
| That's a phone. | ||
| But the Fairphone is... | ||
| I think that's an... | ||
| Fairphone? | ||
| Yeah, that's one of those Linux phones. | ||
| Yeah, Fairphone 3 Review. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| Yeah, Fairphone is its own channel. | ||
| Yeah, but that's not it. | ||
| Rob Braxman, that's it. | ||
| Rob Braxman Tech. | ||
| It's this gentleman who's very much into privacy. | ||
| He's so into privacy, I want to look at his fucking history. | ||
| I'm like, what are you hiding from? | ||
| But he's got a website, and on his website, he actually sells de-googled Android phones. | ||
| Wow. | ||
| De-Googled Android phones. | ||
| So he takes these 2019, and I think that's the most recent you can buy, like a Motorola Android phone, and they take all the Google out of it. | ||
| And so Google's no longer tracking you. | ||
| You don't have to log in with Google. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| His website's whatthezuck.net. | ||
| Oh, nice. | ||
| Stick it to the Zuck. | ||
| I think that's one of his websites. | ||
| But that's not his main website. | ||
| I thought it was his. | ||
| No, no. | ||
| That is his website, but that's not his main website. | ||
| He's got a website, though. | ||
| He's got, like, if you have a support me on Patreon, contact me, VPN... I figured that was his only website there. | ||
| That's it? | ||
| No. | ||
| He's got a website where he sells stuff. | ||
| Oh, okay. | ||
| And Braxman dot something or another. | ||
| But he sells... | ||
| He's got like a... | ||
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F-Droid. | |
| He's got a VPN Wi-Fi hub. | ||
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| So that even when people use your Wi-Fi, it all goes through a VPN. Oh, I love that. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| I love that. | ||
| Find his website, though. | ||
| See, that's... | ||
| Just Google Rob Braxman website. | ||
| That's totally... | ||
| Yeah, the future. | ||
| It's like the future is distributed. | ||
| Rob Braxman Tech. | ||
| It's encrypted? | ||
| Yeah, that's it. | ||
| Brax.me. | ||
| That's him. | ||
| Yeah, see? | ||
| So he sells a bunch... | ||
| Look, it shows your IP address at the top. | ||
| How creepy is that? | ||
| Oh, shit. | ||
| He's letting you know. | ||
| Oh, I want to see that. | ||
| Okay, you fucks. | ||
| What's the website again? | ||
| Brax.me. | ||
| Brax.me. | ||
| Yeah, that's privacy-focused social media. | ||
| So he's got a bunch of different stuff that he sells, but he also has a store. | ||
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And if you go to the store Yeah, because I use a VPN for my iPhone. | |
| We're not gonna find it while we're doing this. | ||
| Yeah, something's wrong I don't know what what happened wrong something has changed something's wrong something He's just talking about all the different ways in these videos that he makes on YouTube all the different ways that you're being tracked Yeah through your fingerprints through your face ID through every Google search all your location data and And, you know, there's this recent thing that came up where Google is being sued in Arizona because they turn location services on even when you have it off. | ||
| Oh, whoa. | ||
| So even when you turn location services off with Google, it's still searching your location. | ||
| It's still reporting that data back to Google. | ||
| So there's a lawsuit right now about that. | ||
| Yeah, that's the problem, man. | ||
| I mean, it's like, you know, I have this a little bit of that dumb attitude, but it is an attitude where I'm like, well, I'm going to do everything I can to protect myself. | ||
| You know, I run VPN on my phone. | ||
| I've got a Winston VPN, whatever thing, my browser, you know, to help protect and stuff. | ||
| I'll do as much as I can without getting overly geeky and then, like, paranoid about everything. | ||
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Right. | |
| Because ultimately, if they want to track where I'm at, like... | ||
| They're just going to track where I'm at and whatever. | ||
| I don't know what it is. | ||
| But if I can do things like, oh, I'll create my own app. | ||
| Now I'll take it into my own hands. | ||
| And I can do as much as I work. | ||
| If I know hackers and programmers and coders, we can actually just start creating our own version of the internet. | ||
| Right. | ||
| But if you want to use Instagram or you want to use Facebook, you're getting tracked. | ||
| Oh no, for sure. | ||
| No, you're going to use those things, but you already know. | ||
| But if you're working with programmers and hackers, they know how you're being tracked. | ||
| So the way that you use your... | ||
| For instance, every ad that I get, I always market as junk. | ||
| What is this, Jamie? | ||
| That's what you're talking about. | ||
| So it's a product that's been around since, I think, since 2011 is when it was found, called Geofedia. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| Where they tap into all social media and mix it with Google data. | ||
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Wow. | |
| And then sell it to whoever would like to buy it to use it for it. | ||
| Yeah, that's it. | ||
| It's capitalism gone crazy. | ||
| Well, I mean, I guess there's so much value in knowing. | ||
| Once Facebook started getting insanely rich just off of data, there's so much value in knowing what you're up to, knowing where you're going, knowing what you're buying, knowing what you're seeing. | ||
| Of course. | ||
| How many times have you been talking about something and then you find the ads on your phone? | ||
| Every time. | ||
| Guaranteed. | ||
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Every time. | |
| That's so creepy. | ||
| I'm never going to stop being creeped out by that. | ||
| Oh, it's every time. | ||
| I remember talking to my mom. | ||
| It was just recently in Montana. | ||
| I was talking to my mom and I mentioned a thing maybe two or three times. | ||
| And we have a Google whatever home thing in the house. | ||
| And I went downstairs and went to Amazon. | ||
| And Amazon suggested the product. | ||
| They're in bed with Google. | ||
| Yeah, of course. | ||
| And so my thing is, I'll use whatever. | ||
| I'm not going to be so paranoid that it's going to bum me out and ruin my life. | ||
| But I am going to work with people that are really smart and engineers and so forth. | ||
| And I'm just going to create my own version of the things that I use all the time with my platform. | ||
| Essentially, you could do the same thing if you create your own app, right? | ||
| Not go the Chris D'Elia route, which, you know, God bless him. | ||
| All the subscription, all the junky stuff. | ||
| What is he doing on his app? | ||
| It's a subscription-based app. | ||
| And I was thinking about doing something like, oh, charging for the app. | ||
| I don't even think he uses that anymore. | ||
| I don't think he does, but it still exists. | ||
| I think I found that and I texted him. | ||
| I go, hey, what the fuck is this? | ||
| Like a couple of years ago. | ||
| What did he say? | ||
| I don't even do that anymore. | ||
| Oh, yeah. | ||
| It's just floating around out there. | ||
| It is floating out, but it's still making money. | ||
| Is it? | ||
| Oh, yeah, because you can still subscribe. | ||
| But he doesn't have anything on it anymore? | ||
| I mean, I just, it was like maybe, I don't know, half a year ago I checked it, it was still active. | ||
| And then I deleted it. | ||
| But I just think, like, when you're subscribed, my thing is, the future is distributed also, I believe, in a direct economy. | ||
| And the direct economy is like, oh, you've got something. | ||
| I'm going to buy it from you. | ||
| And that's excluding like if you're using an internet like safety payment system or whatever, like PayPal or whatever, that they're going to take a small percentage of it. | ||
| I don't really care necessarily about that. | ||
| I definitely want to understand the engineering behind it. | ||
| But just like if there's something that you want to sell, then sell it directly. | ||
| Subscription is a weird thing. | ||
| Subscription to me is cool if Instagram and Facebook went to a subscription model so that I didn't have to see any of the fucking ads and that I was guaranteed that my tracking was being limited. | ||
| Like YouTube has YouTube Red. | ||
| Right, right, right. | ||
| So I have YouTube Premium, right? | ||
| I never see an ad. | ||
| I can't stand ads. | ||
| If I see an ad, I'm gonna murder somebody. | ||
| I agree with you. | ||
| That would be a really smart move for them because I think they'd probably generate additional revenue that way. | ||
| And goodwill. | ||
| Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. | ||
| Very good point. | ||
| Yeah, Instagram. | ||
| Don't you pay attention, you fucks. | ||
| Yeah, fuckfaces. | ||
| Yeah, because... | ||
| And very rarely, very rarely do they suggest something to me that I'm interested in. | ||
| No, or they suggest stuff that you already have. | ||
| Sometimes, yeah. | ||
| So many times I'm like, oh, there's that thing I already bought. | ||
| Every now and then, though. | ||
| Every now and then, there's one of them little sponsored apps. | ||
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I know. | |
| I'm like, huh. | ||
| I know. | ||
| Those are kind of a good product. | ||
| Well, you know what I'll do is I go to Brave, a private browser. | ||
| So I'll go to Brave. | ||
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Ah, yeah. | |
| I use Brave. | ||
| And I'll use Brave, and then I'll look up the product there. | ||
| I use DuckDuckGo, too. | ||
| Oh, I use DuckDuckGo. | ||
| DuckDuckGo is the shit. | ||
| The search engine sucks on it. | ||
| Eh, it's not as good. | ||
| But it, you know, whatever. | ||
| But they're not looking in your underwear. | ||
| That's absolutely 100% true. | ||
| Checking under your fingernails. | ||
| It's tough, man. | ||
| It's tough being a modern human. | ||
| It is, but it's almost inevitable. | ||
| I mean, I feel like we have to accept this new reality. | ||
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Yes. | |
| That, you know, privacy is one day going to be a thing of the past. | ||
| And not just in terms of, like, what you browse, but I think what you think. | ||
| You know, one of the things that Elon said to me in the last conversation I had that really creeped me out is, like, you're going to be able to talk without words. | ||
| Because he's talking about Neuralink. | ||
| Oh, yeah, the Neuralink. | ||
| You're going to be able to talk without words. | ||
| Have conversations without words. | ||
| Oh, God damn it. | ||
| What are you going to do? | ||
| That leads to hive mind. | ||
| We're going to have hive mind. | ||
| Well, here's the thing. | ||
| My condensation or the condensing of technology in general, it's we are fascinated with creating the things that we already do. | ||
| That we already do inherently. | ||
| Right. | ||
| So that idea of like being able to talk without words, it's like that happens all the time anyway. | ||
| So you ever go on a dance floor and watch people like dancing and like someone's like communicating and they're just body language. | ||
| They know what's going on or you're about to call your friend and suddenly your friend calls. | ||
| That's why we communicating without words like on the dance floor is a perfect example of like one of them Porsches where the ass end goes out. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| They're out of control of it. | ||
| There's some communication in there, too. | ||
| Like, this guy doesn't know how to control his body. | ||
| Yes, exactly. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| It's like, oh, well, I'm going to stay away from that person. | ||
| Stay away. | ||
| Stay away. | ||
| This person is losing control. | ||
| Fucking No, he can't dance. | ||
| But then there might be a compassionate choreographer who'd be like, here, I'll teach you how to dance. | ||
| I will make an example of you. | ||
| Those women aren't real. | ||
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You don't think that there's benevolent choreographers that'll help you? | |
| They steal your liver. | ||
| Those girls... | ||
| They drug you and steal your liver. | ||
| You wake up in a tub filled with ice. | ||
| I love that if that actually was a stereotype for choreographers. | ||
| I don't trust choreographers. | ||
| You know, one minute they're teaching you a bunch of routines and then the next you're in a bathtub with no liver. | ||
| Yeah, you're making out with some eastern block chick and all of a sudden you fall asleep and you wake up and there's a deep pain on the right side of your body. | ||
| Like, what the fuck? | ||
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A big chunk of your liver is missing. | |
| No. | ||
| That's not the future we aren't living. | ||
| Yikes. | ||
| I'm shooting for the high ground, man. | ||
| We're going to do it. | ||
| We're going to do it. | ||
| I don't know. | ||
| I have great faith for the human race. | ||
| I do, too. | ||
| I mean, I think this is a terrible blip in our civilization, and I think we've had terrible blips in the past, and we've gotten over them. | ||
| The problem right now is our foundation is really being tested, because we've had multiple blips in a row. | ||
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Yes. | |
| Big, heavy ones. | ||
| Yep. | ||
| And, you know... | ||
| Big stress test, man. | ||
| Big ones. | ||
| Big ones. | ||
| And unless we have a period of peace where we can digest these and recover, we're deteriorating. | ||
| We just keep taking these hits. | ||
| Like an old boxer just keeps getting knocked out. | ||
| Like, whoa. | ||
| Yep. | ||
| Yep, and brain damage and tissue damage. | ||
| I mean, that's the thing. | ||
| What I'm hoping for is another age of enlightenment. | ||
| Spain had one. | ||
| Most large cultural epicenters have had these moments where things kind of came into balance after some great turmoil and we were able to just put on cruise control for a little while and explore more in-depth, nuanced things about who we are. | ||
| But those things existed before social media. | ||
| That's true. | ||
| I think the only way we're going to be able to pull that off today is with mushrooms. | ||
| We're gonna need something that lets people know, like, oh, this reality that you're in is a very bland, two-dimensional projection. | ||
| Of the reality that you can experience with our little fungus friends. | ||
| Just a little bit of an escape from this tired realm into a land of infinite possibility of love and understanding and connectedness and a dissolving of the ego The likes of which you've never experienced before. | ||
| If we could all do that, if that could be legal, look, marijuana has radically changed the culture of California, radically changed the culture of Denver, radically changed the culture of everywhere where it's been legalized. | ||
| That's true. | ||
| And it's changed the way people communicate with each other. | ||
| It's changed their ideas about law enforcement because we're no longer worried about jackbooted thugs knocking down our door because we like to smoke a plant that makes us happy. | ||
| That's not a concern anymore. | ||
| That's a fundamental shift in just how we are as a human race. | ||
| And that's us. | ||
| It's a mild psychedelic. | ||
| Psychedelics, they come in very, you know, if marijuana is a gateway to anything, it's a gateway to the real psychedelics. | ||
| It's a gateway to mushrooms. | ||
| It's a gateway to DMT. It's a gateway to mescaline. | ||
| Ayahuasca. | ||
| Yeah, all those really fucking profound, world-dissolving ones. | ||
| It's a gateway to those things. | ||
| And I really think that we need something like that at this time. | ||
| We need... | ||
| We need rituals, some sort of psychedelic rituals, and best processed by real legitimate professionals and real established centers where people actually know what they're doing. | ||
| We could help people get past this bump in our evolutionary travels. | ||
| Yeah, and all the trauma. | ||
| You've got to deal with the trauma. | ||
| We try to run away from it most of the time. | ||
| We try to feel good about stuff. | ||
| And you just need to take it on, understand it, and then transform it. | ||
| Transform it into a part of yourself that makes you stronger. | ||
| And psychedelics, really, they're just like a reminder. | ||
| It's a reminder of how we are. | ||
| Because when children are born and their eyes are flinting everywhere and they're trying to absorb as much as they can about the world, they don't care about color. | ||
| They don't care about... | ||
| Any of the shit that we have problems with, all that stuff is learned. | ||
| That initial state is essentially what happens with psychedelics. | ||
| We go back to the interconnectedness of consciousness, however you want to define that, but the experience of it is very interconnected. | ||
| And it's a reminder that, oh yeah, we're natural organisms. | ||
| We're part of this planet. | ||
| This planet is a part of a solar system. | ||
| The solar system is a part of blah, blah, blah. | ||
| And you also realize that your life experiences and your memories and even your personality is basically like a tiny pop-up tent that you've set up in the wilderness of real consciousness. | ||
| Yeah, it's true. | ||
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You're like, I've got my little stove here. | |
| I'm going to cook my tea, and I've got it all under control. | ||
| And then you unzip that tent, and you go out into the fucking wilderness of psychedelic consciousness. | ||
| You realize, oh my god, I've been living in a tent. | ||
| I've been living in this little baby pup tent. | ||
| This has been my reality. | ||
| And the more insecure people are, the more they want to define what is allowed and not allowed inside that tent. | ||
| Exactly. | ||
| A hundred percent. | ||
| And it's like, you know, I mean, and guaranteed I've had arguments with people. | ||
| I mean, I remember there was like a skinhead on a bus once and we had a conversation together and he was still an active skinhead and we were sitting across from each other. | ||
| But we kind of like, he commented on something I was wearing or something like that. | ||
| And we started talking for a second. | ||
| We were talking about mutual things and then he got, he got up to get off the bus and he just kind of looked at me and just kind of went... | ||
| And he just kind of shrugged and walked off. | ||
| And I was like, that's interesting. | ||
| Basically, a neo-Nazi guy was on a bus. | ||
| And for whatever reason, we connected on this one thing. | ||
| And it reminded me of, you know, the cartoon with the sheepdog and the... | ||
| Yeah, morning Ralph. | ||
| That's how sometimes I like to view stuff. | ||
| I'm like, okay, so you're going to play the role of the person who's the fascist. | ||
| I'm going to play the role of the person who's afraid and hiding in the shadows. | ||
| Okay, and go, and scene, and action. | ||
| And there's something about... | ||
| You know, I talk to my friends about it. | ||
| It's like, there is a way, if you're smart, you're intuitive, and you're emotionally intelligent enough, you can always find your way to that person's core. | ||
| And you can share a value. | ||
| If you can share one value, you can make it, you can learn something, even if it's a brief moment, just for a second, an interconnected moment with another person who shares none of your values at all. | ||
| Do you know who Daryl Davis is? | ||
| No. | ||
| Daryl Davis is a brilliant guy. | ||
| I've had him on my podcast before. | ||
| He is a blues musician who has personally converted more than 200 KKK and Nazi members and got them to leave. | ||
| And he did this, he got them to leave these hate groups, and he did this because he met a guy at a gig. | ||
| He was doing a gig, and he met this guy, and the guy was like, you play, you know, you're a really good musician. | ||
| And they get to talking, and he sits down with the guy, and the guy says to him while he's talking to him, well, I never had a drink with a black guy before. | ||
| He thought the guy was joking. | ||
| He's like, come on, man. | ||
| And he's like, no, I really haven't. | ||
| And he goes, you haven't? | ||
| And he goes, no, I'm in the KKK. And he's like, what? | ||
| The guy pulls out his fucking KKK ID. What? | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| So Daryl gives this guy his number and says, hey, I'm going to be in town again. | ||
| You know, when I'm in town again, let's have a drink. | ||
| Let's talk. | ||
| So they become friends. | ||
| So they start talking. | ||
| A few months after they become friends, the guy hands him his grand wizard outfit and says, I'm quitting. | ||
| He says, obviously I was wrong. | ||
| I had this idea that black people were inferior. | ||
| First of all, Daryl is extremely intelligent, very articulate, and a brilliant musician. | ||
| And just the way he talks, it's very clear that he's smarter than you. | ||
| Like, he's a smart guy. | ||
| So if you're a dumb dude who's in the KKK and you're talking to this... | ||
| Guy who you've, in your group, you've determined this is an inferior guy. | ||
| But he's obviously smarter than you. | ||
| So like, what the fuck? | ||
| And he's a really nice guy. | ||
| Yeah, he's a nice guest. | ||
| And so they become friends. | ||
| They start eating dinner together. | ||
| He has them over for meals. | ||
| And just quits. | ||
| Says, I'm not doing this anymore. | ||
| I'm not going to be a racist anymore. | ||
| Hands him his outfit. | ||
| So Daryl brought all these outfits with him. | ||
| He showed me this Nazi flag this guy gave him. | ||
| And he's got all these different Grand Dragon and Grand Wizard and all these different outfits. | ||
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Whoa. | |
| Him personally, his one-on-one interactions has converted more than 200 people. | ||
| It's amazing. | ||
| The podcast, please, if you have the time, please find it. | ||
| Daryl Davis. | ||
| Daryl Davis. | ||
| The podcast with me and him. | ||
| It's three hours long. | ||
| Of him just telling these stories about meeting these Nazis and meeting these KKK guys and converting them. | ||
| That's amazing. | ||
| And not something he set out to do. | ||
| This is what's really crazy. | ||
| As a grown man, just a musician. | ||
| It just happened. | ||
| Not set out to do. | ||
| Yeah, well, you know, it goes down to my new catchphrase is love is efficient. | ||
| It does. | ||
| You know what I mean? | ||
| It does work. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| It just works because, like, once you're just, like, you're not noticing the stuff and you're just casually talking, you're shooting the shit with somebody and you're like, oh, yeah, it's cool. | ||
| Oh, I love, you know, and then before you know it, they're just like, oh, what? | ||
| What am I? What? | ||
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Yeah. | |
| It's just, everything crosses. | ||
| You're like, but they shouldn't be, but I was scared of, but I thought, you know, it's like the first time you meet, like the first time I saw like a queen, you know, like a drag off, you know, and I was like, they're so tall and so boisterous, so big, and I was like, I'll never be able to You know, be able to energetically mingle with someone like that and come to understanding. | ||
| And then I've had some of the most incredible conversations with so many people of all different kinds of walks of life that I thought I didn't hate them or anything. | ||
| I just thought... | ||
| We wouldn't have anything in common. | ||
| Yeah, they're so different. | ||
| What would we have in common? | ||
| And I just realized that I just love pretty much everybody. | ||
| You can find common ground with almost anybody. | ||
| I can find common ground with anybody. | ||
| As long as they're open and they're willing to find common ground with you. | ||
| Yes, of course. | ||
| And it's awesome. | ||
| And a lot of it is just being confident enough in yourself that you're like, whatever they're doing, whatever they're projecting at me, I understand it's them projecting at me. | ||
| Or brave enough to explore with them. | ||
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Yes. | |
| Brave enough to talk with them about those things. | ||
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Yeah, absolutely. | |
| That's what people need. | ||
| Find that fucking common ground in this day and age. | ||
| And that's one of the things with gigantic numbers of human beings, the population that we're experiencing. | ||
| I mean, hundreds of millions of people in this country. | ||
| It's hard for us to just realize the value in each individual, each unique individual. | ||
| A hundred percent. | ||
| A hundred percent. | ||
| I mean, it was funny when I had my car dropped off in Montana. | ||
| Like, I didn't really, you know, everyone kind of keeps themselves in Montana. | ||
| It's kind of a conservative, you know, place, especially Great Falls. | ||
| But car came out of the car trailer and my across the street neighbors came out. | ||
| The other neighbors, when I was a kid, I don't know if it's the same family. | ||
| I think it's the same family, but they would call me racist shit all the time. | ||
| And my mom would get up in their face and be like, I'm going to kill you if you touch my kid. | ||
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Oh, Jesus. | |
| They're still there? | ||
| Oh, they're still there, yeah. | ||
| I mean, they've changed. | ||
| I think they've moved on, but they've changed. | ||
| And I had some early, when we first moved there, problems with my dad sitting on the porch smoking his cigarettes and people going like, what's that guy doing out there? | ||
| You know, whatever. | ||
| And then my mom's white and they're confused. | ||
| But... | ||
| But all of these neighbors came out and people came down from the street, you know, and they're just like, oh, what's going on? | ||
| They're like looking at the car and they're like, oh, hey, can I grab a picture and stuff like that? | ||
| And the thing that I noticed, it's like, that was the first time all my neighbors were like together on the street for this moment. | ||
| And then I kind of realized, well, when you have a platform where people recognize what you do, and oh, by the way, congratulations on Spotify. | ||
| That's fucking rad when I saw that. | ||
| I was like, good for them to celebrate that. | ||
| That's great. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| But when you have a platform, and you could be any way you wanted to be to anybody coming up to you if they recognize you from your platform, but if you are open and inclusive and taking the time to spend with people... | ||
| It does so much for a community. | ||
| Yeah, it dissolves those boundaries. | ||
| Completely. | ||
| And they're like, well, I was expecting you to be kind of blah, blah, or I was expecting you to be this. | ||
| And you're like, I'm not any of those things. | ||
| Let's all just have a good time, man. | ||
| And let's support local businesses or whatever your mantra is. | ||
| But in Grave Falls, it's great. | ||
| I can go places. | ||
| And most of the time, people are just total sweethearts. | ||
| And they generally say, thanks a lot for not forgetting about where you came from. | ||
| That's dope. | ||
| That's huge. | ||
| We just did three hours, dude. | ||
| Oh, shit. | ||
| Let's get out of here. | ||
| Isn't that crazy? | ||
| Let's get the fuck out of here. | ||
| Reggie Watts, ladies and gentlemen. | ||
| Thank you, brother. | ||
| Bye, everybody. |
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