Joe Rogan and Reggie Watts examine primate intelligence—like Cocoa the signing gorilla and "Humanzi" chimp Oliver—while debating panspermia, citing tardigrades surviving space’s extremes. They critique gun rights hypocrisy, police brutality (e.g., Denver cops firing tear gas at a pregnant woman), and systemic corruption via Rampart, Cocaine Cowboys, and Zuckerberg’s Facebook failures. Rogan’s $5K Porsche 911 and drifting culture briefly contrast with deeper themes: Watts’ "love is efficient" philosophy and psychedelics as tools for unity. The episode ties chaos, power consolidation, and human connection to modern unrest, questioning whether systemic change or empathy can bridge divides. [Automatically generated summary]
I don't know, but you know something we're gonna figure out some kind of a computer that's able to like read every tiny micro movement and interpret it right into words, right?
You know, and they'll be like mood and then just words.
Yeah, like, oh, I think it's saying this and it's just gonna get better and better and better What was that gorilla that they taught sign language was her name?
Was that Jane Goodall?
She was the one and she used sign language with primates.
It makes sense that there would be, like, definitely a, um, there's gotta be outliers, you know, because so much genetic information is shared between, like, all of the animals on the planet, including us, and we have bits and pieces of all of it.
But I mean, you got to think, if human beings, they think in this form that we're at, we've only been around in this form for somewhere in the neighborhood of 250,000 to 450,000 years or something like that.
They don't really know.
But I think on the short end, it's like a quarter million years.
They think that it's really possible that some sort of fungus could exist on an asteroid.
We have chunks of the moon in Antarctica and other parts of the world where some big asteroid hits or a meteor hits the moon, a big chunk flies off, it gets sucked into our gravity and slams into Earth.
And if that can happen, you can get some fungus on that, some sort of spores.
We only like what we are what we like what we look like, you know, I mean Yeah, I mean that's the kind of goes like to like what's happening like now even like with all these riots and protests and all this stuff.
It's like You know, I was talking to a friend about it My drummer Guillermo grew up similarly like mostly white culture had parent.
I mean, I'm half white half black.
So I have my French mom And my my african-american dad who was from Cleveland, Ohio and And so the mixture of the two, plus the fact that they were married in 1967, 68, and in the United States it still wasn't legal to marry interracially.
And also, and then the Chinese had their own pathway too.
They had to like, I think they were later.
After that, huh?
I think so.
Yeah, I think so.
But it's just like all that stuff when I think about how much went on and to get me to a point at which I can just be chill and be like, oh, hey, what's up?
I'm going to go buy a snack now.
I have to think about that.
My mom reminds me all the time, thankfully.
Because I tend to operate from, I'm a human first.
And my characteristics and my character and the way that I treat other people is the primary thing that I'm working from.
And I'm aware that I look a certain way that might trigger certain people.
But that's not how I operate.
I don't operate from that.
I go for the character first.
Then if I start to detect there's something else happening, then I can modulate and figure something out.
But I don't want to constantly assume, which growing up in Montana, I would have blown.
I would have exploded if that was the way...
I was doing stuff.
Because most of the time, Montanans, even if they're kind of, I'm uncomfortable with a black person, even if that was the case, and I come up and I'm having a conversation with them, and after a while, they're like, oh, that's cool.
Oh, you helped me with my thing.
Oh, yeah, thanks a lot for, oh, that's cool.
And then we're just kind of getting along, and they didn't even realize it.
No, I mean, yeah, I guess it was like, I was in Montana when I remember, I kind of vaguely remember being in the courthouse and being made a citizen of the United States.
Like, I'm so stoked I got to grow up where I got to grow up, and I had the experiences that I got to experience, and I love Montana, and I love my friends from Montana, and I like being a guy that people never expect is from Montana, and it's like...
You know all for everyone's rights like for everything I mean just I want people to be free you do whatever yep, but when shit like this goes down and people are just randomly lighting targets on fire and you know and Smashing windows and stealing things and knocking cars over and pulling people out of trucks now you understand that the veneer of civilization is very thin and the the chaos of being is very deep and And
Well, I mean, it's like it depends on the climate that you're, you know, we live in a climate that is like for very, so many reasons have we've gotten to this point at which.
Essentially, I could just say the blanket blame goes to capitalism in general.
I mean, I'm sure you talk about this on the show a lot.
And capitalism in its most fundamental state is just essentially trade.
It's what humans did.
You set up a fruit stand and someone's got bread and you trade and then there's kind of like an understood value for things.
On a basic level, it's just kind of what we do as human beings.
We barter, we trade, things like that.
But then you flash forward and you overlay complexity over complexity over complexity that is then guided by people who are like, oh, I can game the system a little bit more.
Oh, I can game the system a little bit more.
And now you get all these hoarders and hoarders and people and choke points of resources, right?
And so then they're kind of dictating the value, blah, blah, blah, blah.
Same thing goes with the arms.
It's like, yeah, I enjoy the reason why...
I enjoy my ability to have a firearm is because I respect their power.
I'm an engineered-minded person, so I like the engineering and the craftsmanship behind it, and I like the responsibility and the safety factor of it, that people take it seriously.
When I grew up, people were really adamant about the safety of guns.
Whenever I touched a gun, looked at a gun, before you pick it up, they'd be like, Never put your finger on the trigger.
Never pointed it at anybody unless you plan on firing it.
All the things that we all hear about gun owners are supposed to be taught.
And so growing up with guns, I didn't really fear them.
They were just a thing.
And my whole mom's side of the family is all police people.
And my dad was a military policeman.
He was in the military.
So, you know, guns, like, that was just a part of the thing.
Farmers, hunting, all that stuff.
Great fall, same thing.
Growing up in my friend's house, seeing a deer hung up, strung up, you know, on the rafters with a bunch of cardboard on the ground, you know, getting ready to be processed.
All of that stuff.
And for me, I came back to guns, like, maybe like 10 years ago or something like that.
Because I wanted to, I was interested in training and overcoming my fear of handguns.
And so that fascination was great.
I went to Montana, and my experiment was like, how long will it take me to get a handgun?
And I walked into a sporting goods store, one of my favorites.
I walked in, timed it, 20 minutes.
I walked out, and I had a bag with a handgun and ammunition in the bag, and I was walking out of the store.
Which part of me is like, if you're a responsible gun owner and you respect firearms, that seems kind of normal.
You're like, oh, I'm responsible.
I know how to use this weapon safely.
I'm going to buy this gun and I'm going to walk out, right?
And that was my first firearm I ever bought.
Yeah.
Whilst it was an interesting experiment, I will say, and when I talked to all my law enforcement friends in Montana, like, you know, who was the guy who walked in?
He walked in his suit and had a full-on three-piece suit and then had his carry, concealed carry, on him and then walked in with a huge bag of, like, crazy guns.
But he is a prosecutor and has to have security when he goes to cases and things like that because when they get convicted, sometimes people sick their friends on him and stuff like that.
Anyways, he's never had any altercations, but an interesting guy, really like very heavily armed, blah, blah, blah, blah.
And I started talking to him.
I was like, what would happen if in order to get a firearm, You had to, like, back when the NRA was the, when Truly was the NRA, when it was a bunch of, like, war vets who were like, this is how you use firearms safely.
Like, way back in those days, if people had to go through training and had to be And when I talk in that way, they're like, I don't really have a problem with that.
And I'm like, yeah, because you're only doing yourself a favor.
You're promoting safety and you're educating people about firearms.
And it's up to them if you want to have a firearm or you don't want to have a firearm.
But if you do, you have to know how to safely operate a firearm.
And it's so funny because that's why I've got a bunch of friends that conceal carry all the time for their professions in Great Falls.
I'm sitting down with them.
They've got a firearm on them.
I never feel nervous or anything like that.
But they're highly opinionated about people who open carry.
People who open carry, they're always like, those people are almost always, concealed carry permit people always say that they don't like those people.
Because you have a weapon that's visible, and it doesn't have a fancy biometric lock on it.
There's nothing.
It's like if you're in a situation that someone walks up behind you and takes your gun, now they've got a gun.
And you just told everybody, you just shown everybody that you have a firearm.
And so there's this weird thing about open carry that concealed carry people are like, this is ridiculous.
While you can do it if it's legal in your state, certainly, but Is it a good decision?
It probably exists so that no one can ever infringe upon your rights to have one in any capacity.
Sure.
It's not a thing where you want to do all the time, but if some shit goes down and you have a gun outside of your house, The law should be, you can do whatever the fuck you want.
The law says you're allowed to open carry so you can have this gun outside your house.
It doesn't mean you go to the movies with a fucking AK-47 strapped to your chest.
And the conversation always breaks down on either side...
Where it's like, if it's a gun, they're like, any hint of something that says, we're going to have to talk about this?
They're like, no!
And then the people who are really anti-gun, they're like, any hint that there might have to be a compromise made, then they're also equally like, no!
And nothing's ever going to get done unless you get soldiers, cops...
People who have to use guns for a profession, talking to people who are heritage gun owners, people who've been growing up for generations doing that, to people who live in urban situations where there's illegal gun sales and black market guns and there are problems with guns in their communities.
All that stuff needs to be talked about, but the sides are so entrenched, it's very, very, very difficult.
And my thing is, too, it's like technology is amazing.
And guns are an interesting form of technology because, obviously, if, again, in a healthy situation, you're like, oh, did you see the new blah, blah, blah, blah, blah?
Oh, yeah, they enhanced this.
Oh, there's a trimount for the silencer.
So did you apply for the silencer?
I have a class one license.
All that geeky stuff.
It's as geeky as people working on engines and hot rods, right?
Then there's the whole cultural thing that movies, you know, like bad boys and everything, just guns are just stuff that people just have and they're just shooting around.
And the thing is, like, people never understand when you talk to a war vet about guns and gunfights and firefights, especially recent firefights, they're like, I never...
Ever.
Would ever wish you to ever be in a gunfight.
Ever.
And so, and I believe them.
Because I know things can change so quickly.
A bullet, when you shoot a gun and it hits somebody and it ends their life, even if they were threatening you and so forth, that is one of the most traumatic things.
Things that can happen in a human being's life.
And they have to live with that all the time.
I mean, soldiers, at least they have like, I'm on a side and I'm trained, you know, and there's psychological help and all that stuff.
Or police officers, same thing.
Most of them never even draw their weapons.
But when they do, and they do fire it, the consequences are devastating on a psychological level.
But...
I will say that, you know, my friend who carries, I was like, what if the first three rounds that you have in your personal protection gun, like at home, or whatever your handgun, whatever it is, what if the first three rounds were rubber?
And then there were live rounds after that.
And he was like, oh, that's an interesting idea.
And I'm like, anything to...
Protect yourself, but not necessarily guarantee that you're going to kill, kill somebody if it's a weird situation.
Situations happen fast, and I understand when someone comes into your house, all bets are off.
Whatever you need to do, however you feel, if someone breaks into your house, I understand that completely.
But for me, I'm like, what can I do to make it really hard for someone to even get to me in the first place?
And my last, last, last resort is a weapon that can kill somebody.
That's my very, very, very last.
But I'm going to do everything I can to be as preemptive as possible to not be enticing for people to want to come up and attack.
Yeah, got hit in the eye with a rubber bullet just recently, like yesterday or something like that.
And lost an eye.
That happened too when I was at the WTO riots.
You know, like one second you're like, oh, cool.
The chief of police is talking to the lead organizer, and he's got his helmet off, and everyone's like, oh, this is cool.
They're all talking.
And then from behind the police lines, you hear a bullhorn.
We're going to be launching tear gas.
Please clear the area.
And you're like, wait a minute, but you guys were just talking.
It's like, oh, I don't know.
And he doesn't know because that was another order placed by someone that wasn't him.
And then suddenly it turns into pandemonium, and the next thing you know, another dude loses him.
A guy that I knew that was a friend of a friend lost his eye in the WTO, right?
It's because the guy, the police officer shot at him directly instead of bouncing it off the ground.
It's just like, and it comes down to my gun guru dude that I was training with for a film, and that's kind of what launched me back into stuff.
But he was saying, training, training, training.
When it comes to police officers, it's community outreach, being able to actually establish a contact with your community so that they can at least have some form of trust or someone that they can talk to, that they can relate to.
So they understand the police are there for their protection.
Then the other thing is like training.
A lot of these officers are just like, they're just sending them out and going, hey, good luck.
Deal with stuff as it happens.
And then some of the cats are like, they don't know.
I just think most people do not have the kind of temperament and character to deal with being in a position of having control over other people.
Really ultimate fatal control over other people.
I just don't think they have that.
I think most people, I mean, I think that takes a really powerful person and there are powerful people out there that handle it and handle it well and they're great cops.
And then there's guys like that guy who put his fucking knee on that man's neck.
For eight minutes and 38 seconds or whatever it was and finally the the family got their own autopsy and the the autopsy showed the man did die from Asphyxiation?
Yeah, not not just asphyxiation, but also from the blood being cut off to the brain Which is really what it is.
It's a blood choke because you're you're putting your shin on the side of the neck It's cutting off the carotid artery.
It's like a choke like like a jujitsu choke You know, the idea that that's not what killed him is like, come on.
And the guys that were just kind of sitting there, you know, the cops that were sitting there, it's like they, again, it's also a training issue.
It's like, you know, and if you're a cop and you you you've noticed another a fellow officer in the field doing some shit that they think is like not cool or just straight illegal, whatever.
Or they have a feeling that it's going to escalate with this person if they're if it's left unchecked.
They really it's hard for them to communicate because there's this whole brotherhood loyalty thing that locks everybody into like this code of silence.
And it sucks because, well, how do you expect police departments to get better if police departments aren't allowing themselves to get better?
Well, some some people that do step out, they get in trouble.
Some people that do call out other officers for shitty behavior.
But there was one woman really recently, I think it was either yesterday or today, there was a guy and he's arguing with these protesters, this male cop, and this woman gets on her knees in front of him.
And says she's on her knees.
And he shoves her to the ground when she's on her knees.
And this female officer gets in the guy's face and starts yelling at him.
And as he's walking away, she's chasing him down and yelling at him.
It's all about behavior, how you handle a situation in the moment.
And again, if they had a little bit of training, just a little bit of training to say, like, stop before, think, stop, think.
Then assess the situation.
And, you know, unless your life is in danger, like, you know, but that these situations are not that these are cops that are like, something happens, there's like something clicks, and there's chaos all around.
And the instinct is like, essentially the same mentality as someone who's taking advantage of it on the other side, who are like the people who come out after the initial rage wave of like, You know, which is a natural kind of biological instinct and it's a rebalancing but then they're the opportunists that sneak in behind the wave and those are the people that you see like targeting in a very organized way targeting these stores knowing exactly where they're gonna go and they're gonna take advantage of these moments of chaos yes and of course that gets mixed in and the cops see
that and it's like well they kind of get on get in on that wavelength instead of the majority wavelength which is just like we're pissed we're emotional we're loud But we're allowed to do this.
Well, one thing that is happening that's promising is these provocateurs...
Are getting caught by actual Black Lives Matter protesters and grabbing them.
And these assholes that are breaking windows and spray painting things, like, they're grabbing these people and saying, hey, you fuck, and they're turning these people in.
And then someone in the comments was like, I know who that is.
That guy is a cop.
And they were calling out the guy's name.
So this cop is going around.
Oh.
While these peaceful protests are going on, and he's smashing windows with a gas mask on, fully dressed in military-issued garb, and people are like, well, that's an Asian provocateur.
But is he acting on his own?
Is he a rogue cop?
Is he like one of those crazy firefighters that lights buildings on fire so they can save him?
I think some people just wish they want it to turn into something massive and they want it to be like a civil war.
And there's also like the whole race war thing that, you know, you hear about white supremacists and stuff like that talk about, you know, and there's Then there's like the right way.
The thing is like your mind can swim in all kinds of like conspiratorial ways.
And it's probably it's a mixture of all kinds of things.
You know, it's definitely like it's probably like, hey, I'm going to do this or like, hey, we should do that.
Or someone kind of kids around and someone's listening, you know, in the police police department or whatever.
And they're like, yeah, what if we were doing that or whatever?
And they hear that they're like, I am going to do that.
Who knows?
But that's some dangerous shit.
And I think that that's amazing that protesters who are seeing this are detaining these people.
I mean, I'm okay with, like, when it comes to, like, people who are that passionate about, like, anti-corporate and stuff like that, I'm like, I get it.
Not when you're destroying history and you're destroying...
It's just destruction.
Again, as an initial response, understandable.
If something happens and people go out and they're young, especially in this climate, being kooked up, no jobs, what do you want to do?
Let's rally behind this.
This is ridiculous.
Whatever.
Boom.
Initial like, ah, who knows what's going to happen in that chaos when everybody goes outside.
I get that.
The continuation of it.
as the standard behavior, that's a problem that any leader, any civil leader is going to condemn and frown upon because at the end of the day, I'm a pragmatist and it's just inefficient.
It's just very inefficient. - That's a funny way to look at it, inefficient. - It's like, how are you gonna use that energy?
Like harness the energy for real, if you want real change, you gotta like, you gotta figure, you have to strategize And for me, I'm about hacking.
So if you want to affect change, you're either going to fit into the feedback loop, you're going to feed back into the feedback loop, or you're going to figure out a way to shift it so that you're able to spiral away from it.
And that's really what we need.
And I like people taking responsibility for getting rid of the fuckwits that are fucking it up for everybody, because guaranteed, whether it's the police or whether it's protesters, it's always a very, very small percentage Of those people are going to fuck it up because also the news loves sensationalism.
If this was a movie and a bunch of people were like, look, we're going to fucking end this corrupt system of capitalism, start smashing windows and burning things, part of you would be going, hmm, let's see how this turns out.
But then in the movie, if you saw these pallets of bricks just mysteriously appearing at these areas where people are scheduled to protest and where these marches are supposed to go by, you're like, hey, what the fuck is going on here?
And my left-wing friends think it's right-wing people that are agent provocateurs that are trying to start this sort of chaotic scene so that the military can be called in, which is what essentially Trump apparently did today.
Apparently, Jamie, why is everybody saying that it's martial law?
Is that something that happened after his speech?
Because during his speech, he was essentially saying that if they didn't call in the National Guard, he was going to bring in the military, which is...
I mean, you were talking about left-wing people saying it's the right-wing, and I'm sure that there are right-wing people that are saying, oh, it's the left-wing because they want it to make it.
Yeah, they think it's Antifa.
So it's like all this finger-pointing.
Whoever's doing it is definitely winning for their point of view because they're like, well, we're doing it.
Well, Asian provocateurs have been used from the beginning of time.
I mean, they've always done that.
Hitler burned the Reichstag.
He did that to incite the people of Germany to get behind him and that he was going to take control of the situation.
Nero burned Rome, same way.
I mean, it was all done in order to get people excited about this idea of this one person saving them from this attack.
And that has been done forever.
Alex Jones had a great video called 9-11, The Road to Tyranny.
It was the first time I really understood that agent provocateurs are a government strategy.
And he detailed, like, very...
This is like...
I guess it was like 2001 or 2002 that he put this video out, and he detailed how the World Trade Organization, when those people were protesting against the WTO, and this was in Seattle.
So these people were protesting against the WTO, and then these guys dressed exactly like that guy I was talking about earlier, all black, face covered, military-issue outfits, military-issue Vibram-soled shoes, all dressed uniformly, started smashing windows,
smashing cars, pushing over post office boxes, lighting things on fire, and then they wound up shutting down all the protests, and even had They had a no-protest zone where people were showing up at work where they had a WTO stick or a WTO pin with a red line through it.
They made them take that pin off of their jacket before they went through the line because you couldn't have anything that was any sort of a protest.
It was crazy.
Like this is all documented in this film.
Then they eventually, all these guys who were the agent provocateurs, holed up in a building and then the police negotiated with them and then released them.
So there was some sort of an order from higher up and they were all released.
They used these guys, they used military people, some branch of the government, who knows what the fuck they were or who they were, they used them to turn a peaceful protest about a legitimate concern these people have about the doings of the World Trade Organization, and they turned it into a violent encounter that they could then justifiably bring in the police and shut everything down.
I mean, I just, at this point, it's like I don't put past any measure done by people that want to maintain their bottom line.
Like, they'll do whatever it takes.
And it's like, again, you know, when it comes to stuff like that, I'm like, I want to stay informed.
I want to keep those ideas in mind in the most simplistic way, which is, if you've got a lot of shit, you're going to do whatever it takes to keep your shit.
And you'll do all kinds of crazy shit to try to maintain power and control.
And what really sucks is that if you did the opposite, if you did what that sheriff did, you actually not only get what you want, but you get more.
And that's what I don't understand.
The virus of...
Doing evil badly?
That's what I think of it as.
Being very inefficient and terrible at being selfish and greedy.
If you were really selfish and if you were really greedy, You would make sure that the well-being of your population was met so that there was reverence for your position.
And if there's reverence for your position, then you have the goodwill of people and it's easier to make things happen.
It's like the type of person that wants to be in that position is the type of person that just wants control and power.
They want people to be afraid of them.
Even the way Trump talks about it, he talks about using dogs.
He's talking about using the most vicious dogs.
He's got such a foolish way of communicating in times of crisis, and that's what's really dangerous, because some people are really good in times of crisis.
Obama was very good in times of crisis.
Even George W. George W. gave a speech after 9-11 that made everybody love him.
Everybody was like, this is our guy.
He's going to take care of us.
But I don't agree with him on certain political issues, but obviously...
There's clearly evil in the world.
We just saw these people take down the World Trade Centers and people have died and we're being attacked.
Like, if you wanted your government to fight, how about better yet...
We break it down to one versus one, and the best controlled situation where we're going to lose the least amount of life, you challenge to a duel the other person from the other country.
I mean, on a human, I need to accomplish something level, that's, you know, that's good.
If there's something, you know, I was asked today that Maria Bamford had a questionnaire, 25 questions that you're supposed to answer for a certain column or something like that.
And one of the questions was like, did you learn something from someone that you didn't like?
And in a way, like in that video, it's like, well, I don't like Putin, but...
It shows that, you know what?
At 60 years old, you can still train with the best of them.
He's putting himself out there and he's going for it.
He said it's a humorous anecdote that Kraft retells for laughs.
He loves that the ring is in the Kremlin and, as he stated back in 2005, he continues to have a great respect for Russia and the leadership of President Putin.
I have a 964. It's an RS America, but it's pretty grippy, and it's got really good tires and an upgraded suspension.
There it is.
There's the movie.
But those old ones, when you're going around a corner, you have to stay on the gas.
You can't let off the gas if you go around the corner or they get something called lift throttle oversteer.
So as you lift off the throttle, the car will oversteer and many a dude lost their lives because the ass end kicked out because they didn't know how to drive these cars correctly.
Now, if you know how to drive the car correctly, you can actually manage that oversteer.
There's something about those old cars that once you learn how to drive them, and I'm by no means an expert in how to drive those old cars, but there's something about that sliding that you know how to time.
So you know how to time that slide and it actually gets you into these corners better.
There's a couple guys from Japan, a bunch of brasilaros, some guys from Brazil, Americans, this woman from Florida who I follow on Instagram, who's badass.
She had a really amazing run.
And women, men, people of...
Not a lot of people of color, but definitely a pretty diverse crew from all over the world.
Like the kind of the favorite Brazil guy, there were two Brazil racers actually, a really young guy who was like, he and his father have this amazing relationship and he's super regimented and strict about his training and stuff like that.
And then this other dude, who's his friend, that he taught the younger guy how to drift.
So it's interesting.
They know each other and they're competing against each other.
But the guy, the older guy, he wears this cowboy hat and he wrecked his car and didn't have enough money to build a new car for drifting years and years ago.
So it was a big deal for him to put a car together.
But it's like...
I forget what it is, but it's a monster American car.
It's so, they're riding this fucking razor edge of performance and Ayrton Senna was famous for having these spectacular instincts, but ultimately died in a crash.
Yeah, I mean, and unfortunately, you know, fortunately, unfortunately, unfortunately, he had the crash, but then they changed so much, you know, because the racers were complaining about, like, how dangerous it was.
Well, he was responsible in some way for the design of the NSX. Oh, really?
Yeah, they had an Ayrton Senna version of the NSX that didn't have a sunroof.
It had a solid fixed roof, and I think they did some different modifications to the suspension.
It's kind of crazy when you look at it, you know, we were talking about cars earlier before we started the show, and modern sports cars are so goddamn fast, they have so much horsepower, but the NSX, when it came out, I think, I want to say it had 275 horsepower.
horsepower engine, you know, for the time it was a quick car, but it was like the Japanese answer to Ferrari because Ferraris were beautiful, but they fucking break like crazy because my people make them.
You don't want my people engineering.
They're fucking animals.
You don't want those fucking posse-eating chimps designing your shit.
Maybe the way it looks, but then you hand it over to a German guy or a Japanese person.
But, yeah, kind of a cool lesson in decisions that companies make about emotional products, you know, and also just like, you know, dudes being dudes or whatever.
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Like, well, we're going to create a race program that's going...
Yeah, my mom told me stories about basically when he met her, he had an Opal.
It was kind of a cheap Opal.
And then he ended up buying a Pontiac Firebird.
I forget what color it was, but it was a type of green.
Anyways, he had this amazing American sports car in Europe, and everyone was freaking out over it.
And he had that, and then his second car was a...
I can't remember what his third car was, but then his car after that was a Chrysler Cordoba, which was kind of just like a classy, chill, kind of, yeah, like a luxury sedan is what it was.
But it was still two-door, so it was a luxury coupe, I guess.
He had that, and he loved cars.
And I just didn't put that together.
So then when I finally got my stuff together, and I had enough credit, thanks to my business managers, and knock on wood, I had enough credit where this car that I have, it cost me very little money.
It's a Porsche 911, a Carrera 4S, 992, the new one.
It's a dope car.
I'm very impressed with it.
This is the first time I've seen one of the new ones in person.
And I was saying that your car is, it's not understated, but it is compared to the Turbo S, but it's the perfect amount of sleek design, but slightly, compared to a car, for the amount of performance that that car has under the hood, Or under the bonnet, I guess you would say, because it's the rear.
Yeah, I mean, I drove it from Montana down to L.A., and I thought it was going to be uncomfortable.
I was like, that's a sports car.
It's going to be uncomfortable.
Because I had an Audi TTRS before this, and that had the track suspension, and that was an unforgiving suspension.
Everywhere you went, you were like, ugh, ugh, ugh.
You're just getting thrown all over the place.
And this car is so civilized.
And when you're on the road, you're like, I can do anything, but I'm just going to chill.
For me, I just kind of set my cruise control.
That's the other thing.
It has adaptive cruise control, which is a very, very important thing when it comes to...
Any car, really, but a sports car especially, and I didn't have it in the TTR. So if you're in bumper-to-bumper traffic, you're just pedaling back and forth, pedaling back and forth, and it sucks.
But with the Porsche, I just set it, you know, and just cruise, and it had lane keep assist.
I mean, I will say with the Porsche, that's my last gas car that I'm going to get.
I just wanted to experience it.
And know what it's about.
And then I'm going to probably move on to, I don't know, something.
Or maybe I'll just, you know, something will happen and the world will completely change and I'll have no access to my resources and I'll just go back to just gardening.
This is the perfect storm with all these people out of work.
I think that was ultimately extremely irresponsible.
To just shut the economy down for as long as they did.
I think it's a terrible idea.
I think it creates unrest.
When you see unrest in all these countries, you're not seeing it in rich communities.
You're not seeing people in Calabasas lashing out.
It's not a Beverly Hills thing.
It's the things that happen when people don't have anything.
You've greatly increased the amount of people that are fucked.
And then you've thrown this horrific circumstance where we all get to watch a video of someone being murdered by a cop while these other cops sit around and watch.
And then this is all compounded by all these videos.
There's a video that I tweeted where this fucking guy is at a stoplight And these Denver cops are shooting his car with pepper gas.
And he's like, hey man, my fucking pregnant girlfriend's in this car.
Are you fucking guys really shooting?
I'm like, I'm not a criminal.
And so they keep shooting it.
They shoot at his car more.
So as he's sitting there in his car, they're shooting pepper canisters, whatever the fuck they have.
Shooting pepper spray at his fucking car.
I'm like, what are you doing?
There's so many videos of these cops doing horrible shit during this time.
Someone should have gone over there, liked that fucking sheriff from Flint, talked to him, apologized, and then keep the car moving.
The problem is, you know, my friend Tim Kennedy was tweeting this, that there needs to be some...
He's a ranger, a special forces guy, and used to fight in the UFC, and he tweeted there needs to be some sort of a fundamental change in how we train law enforcement.
And I talked to my friend Scotty, Scotty Reitz, or back in the day, he was just like saying like, I was in SWAT in the 70s in LA. And we were part of the first league of SWAT. And he's like, the shit that people would do that he would see in the department all the time and would They had to deal with and then there were all like those purges that happened throughout the the years You know once yeah, there'd be this corruption thing and then they would just have to fucking let go.
That was the people that they suspected someone from the rampart unit of killing Biggie They think that yeah, yeah, there was a crazy Rolling Stone article that someone paid him off They suggested it was Suge Knight that was involved and Oh my god.
You can't really oversee that many people correctly.
I mean, you literally have to be like a one-on-one oversight to police officer, follow them everywhere.
I mean, that's how deeply embedded the corruption was.
And I think, again, just look, I was a security guard for one year when I was 19 years old.
I worked at Great Woods in Mansfield, Massachusetts.
It's like a concert center.
And all these guys from my Taekwondo team got jobs working security there.
So that's how I got the job.
They were like, hey, you want to work?
It's easy.
Just come out there and I'm like, what do you have to do?
Most of it is stopping people from bringing in booze and keeping people from doing certain shit.
First day I got there, okay, there's a dude named Alley Cat.
Alley Cat was the head security guy who ran the joint.
And they caught this kid, this drunk kid, stealing a golf cart, because everyone would drive around the concert area and golf carts, security guys would.
So this drunk kid stole this golf cart, they tackled him, and I watched him beat the fuck out of this dude with a walkie-talkie.
Like, beat this dude in the head with a walkie-talkie.
This is my first day on the job.
So I was like, well...
What did I get myself into?
Because this seems like we're going to be beating people up.
And within a couple of weeks of this job, we had all developed this us versus them mentality.
It was very strange.
It was us versus them.
It was like we were cops.
I saw guys who I knew that were really nice guys being really shitty to patrons, to these people that came to see these concerts.
Because, you know, they had just sort of developed this attitude.
And I wound up quitting because of a Neil Young concert.
There was a Neil Young concert and fires broke out.
Because, you know, Neil Young fans are all dirtbags.
Sorry, folks.
But at the time, in the 1980s in Boston, there was...
There's a lot of fucking druggies and people that were into Neil Young that were into getting fucked up, man.
And so these guys had started fires on the lawn area.
So the way Great Woods is, Great Woods is an amphitheater.
So there's an enclosed area, and then there's a back area that's the cheap seats.
It's a lawn.
And the lawn area, these dudes had just started fires.
Because it was probably getting cold out.
They shut the concert down.
So they had to clear out the concert.
It was madness and chaos and then brawl started happening.
People started fighting and then I knew that I was probably going to come to a situation like that.
I'm a very survival first type of dude.
So I brought a hoodie with me.
And I knew that when the shit goes down, I would throw this hoodie over my fucking security outfit.
I remember very clearly that even I was developing, I was mad at people for not listening to me.
Like I would say, hey man, I told you, park your fucking car on the other side of the line.
I'm like, why am I talking to this guy like this?
It becomes, obviously I was 19 and I was a moron, but there's a thing that happens when you have the power and you have control and there's a bunch of other guys with you.
So I have this team of goons that were with me and then there's these people that don't want to listen.
And I'm like, hey, I fucking told you to pick that up and put it over there.
And it's hard when it's in a complex situation, like urban environments, you know, where you're like, there's city streets, tall buildings, compact areas, tiny, tiny streets winding around, whatever.
You know, it's different than being like a cop in like from my hometown, Great Falls, like, you're just cruising around a cruiser, and you can see pretty clearly in every direction, and it's laid out like a grid.
Oh, God, you know, or it's some meth kid that's, like, standing in the middle of traffic or something like that, or something like that.
But it's just totally different rules.
And not only that, but everything is so, oh, it's so...
It's so hard to feel like you can communicate with police officers.
There's never a time when I get pulled over, and I know police officers, but I get pulled over, I'm just immediately terrified.
And also because I'm a black man, so my immediate thing is, okay, so keep the hands on my wheel.
The windows are rolled down all the way.
My license is ready.
I'm not reaching for anything when they're approaching.
I'm thinking about all of that stuff while that's happening.
Which sucks, because I'm sure some officers, if they knew that that's the way I felt, they would hate that.
Because for them, they're like, I'm just stopping you because this, or whatever.
I don't want to be that person.
I know that for those officers that feel that way, it's going to be tough, but they really need to be the ones that are the majority, or at least that are made known to be the majority.
Also, I think there's a giant percentage of them that are dealing with just crippling PTSD. Yeah, there's definitely PTSD, and there's also a lack of communication to civilians to be able to also pre-deescalate, you know?
Because so many videos that I watch, those dash cam footages of people saying, like, you know, a cop coming up to the window and saying, license and registration, and then their immediate thing is, what are you pulling me over for?
And then the cop is like, can I just have your license and registration?
And then they keep doing that.
Whether they have the legal right, which I believe they actually do have the legal right to ask for why you're being pulled over...
Why take the risk?
The cop just wants to get the information and do their job and whether they can do that or not.
If you have it on camera, you've got it on camera.
Their conduct is on there anyways.
And then what I tell everybody, it's like, just survive.
That's what you need to do.
And that goes for anybody, whether you're a white, black woman, whatever.
It's like, in general, the attitude is like, survive this.
Well, one thing that's a positive trend, and this is not something that people really even want to discuss after someone gets murdered by the cops, there's been a distinct drop in people being killed by cops since 2015, particularly in black men being killed by cops.
There is a drop.
I think I think it's one of those things where whenever something like this happens, it's a catalyst for change.
It's almost like we need, first of all, How ironic is it that Colin Kaepernick takes all that shit for kneeling at the Super Bowl and this fucking guy kneels on this guy's neck and proves the point.
Kills the guy by doing the very thing that Colin Kaepernick was criticized for.
Going down on one knee and doing it to a black guy and killing him.
Yeah, but it's like, you know, it's the same thing with Facebook and Zuckerberg and his, like, you know, his continued position of, like, well, we've got to balance things.
It's like it all...
It just comes off, like, the reaction to Kaepernick or Facebook's reluctance to do anything or even, like...
Well, Zuckerberg is basically saying, we're not here to edit anything.
And I'm not saying that I'm for editing.
But it's okay if you're in charge of a company.
You're the face of the company.
So what you do is a reflection of what you believe in, right?
So in his particular case, he must actually believe this, but he just believes that to say nothing, to do nothing about the things that are posted, which...
You know, you can argue in court all day.
Does it incite violence or is it just someone expressing their free speech or, you know, whatever the deal is.
But if someone's consistently hitting a certain angle and the response is pretty palpable and fairly measurable, and yet you choose to just allow it to be what it is because, you know, people will figure it out.
They'll educate themselves, that type of a thing.
You have to take some kind of a position from a humanitarian point of view.
And I think that I'm very disappointed in social media in general because they're trying to protect their bottom line.
And that's really what it comes off as.
It doesn't come off as like, well, I want to protect free speech.
It, to me, comes across more like we need to protect our bottom line because if we start editing something, then it's going to be a huge landslide.
Everyone's going to be like, oh, well, screw these guys for stifling free speech and all of that stuff.
When in actuality, the only reason why you would make decisions like that are really just to protect the bottom line.
I don't really understand any other...
I mean, even Apple takes a position, you know, like Tim Cook will issue a letter that's then able to be circulated and you can read the letter and like, oh, okay, that's interesting.
They don't believe in this and they don't believe in this as a company.
Zuckerberg is more like...
Well, I believe in whatever the greater bland generalization is for my operating system existing.
Well, first of all, if we want to talk the difference between Apple and Facebook, these differences are gigantic.
Apple is a technology company.
They are not a social media platform.
The difference between the responsibility of a technology company and the responsibility of a social media platform is enormous.
It's enormous.
The consequences are enormous.
Apple makes phones and computers and they have an app store and, you know, they take down bad apps and, you know, things that they find that are spying on people and the like, but they don't really have the same dilemmas that someone like Facebook has.
When you talk about the importance of free speech, when as soon as you decide, okay, this person can't talk, but this person can, what you're essentially saying is my viewpoint is better than the viewpoint of the person that I disagree with.
Now, if you have very specific things, like you can't dox people, you can't threaten people, you can't say anything racist or sexist or homophobic or...
Once you establish those parameters, if you decide that this is how you're going to operate, if this is your company, There's a real good argument that you should be allowed to do that because it's your company,
but then when the company gets big enough where it's like Facebook or Twitter, then you get a real argument like, wow, the best argument for bad speech, the best antidote, is more speech.
It's better speech.
So if someone says something that's wrong, there's a real education value in being Being able to correct that and having other people correct it, like just eliminating it in some ways strengthens the resolve of the people that hold that marginalized idea, whether it's racism or sexism or whatever.
When you just eliminate it, then they go off and it tends to strengthen their resolve.
Sure, sure.
And then, particularly when it comes to things like right-wing issues or left-wing issues, if you're running a – there's no right-wing social media site that's as popular as the left-wing ones – but if there was, and they just decided, we're not going to tolerate any trans stuff, If you start talking about how a man who has a sex change is now a woman, we're going to tell you to go fuck yourself.
That's not real.
We're not going to tolerate abortion.
You want to talk about abortion, right?
You're killing babies.
Get the fuck off our platform.
That's the kind of shit that right-wing zealots would do to people that hold left-wing ideology.
But Conversely, you do see that from people who are left-wing zealots, who are angry about people who have right-wing ideas, and maybe even not so right-wing.
I'm sorry if you've heard this before, I used this.
Example, if you're listening, Megan Murphy, who is what you would call a trans-exclusionary radical feminist.
They call her a TERF. And what that means is she's a person that's a feminist that doesn't believe that you can just change your sex and then you can have these arguments and deal with women's issues.
Like, a trans person she believes is different than a woman and a feminist.
And there was some sort of a debate she was having online with someone on Twitter, and she said, but a man is never a woman.
So she takes it down, and then she makes a screenshot of it and posts that.
And so they ban her for life.
For life.
For saying a man is never a woman.
Look, it's one thing if you're shitting on someone and you're mad at someone, you're saying a man is never a woman.
But if you want to just talk biology, a man is never a woman.
So if you're a person who is a left-wing progressive zealot and you don't want anybody that's not adhering or complying to the ideology of progressive people, You ban someone like that.
You know what I'm saying?
This is the problem with censorship.
Where do you draw the line?
My opinion in that case is you let that woman say that, and you let people correct her, and you let people correct the people that correct her, and you get a lively debate where people get to discuss whether or not they are different things.
And I think there's a real valid intellectual argument in that.
Well, I'm just saying like, uh, for instance, if I look at my comments, uh, so they say I post something on Twitter and there's all these comments or whatever, like, like a lot of my friends who have Twitter accounts, they may, uh, they may read the comment and be like, oh, that guy's an asshole or whatever and never say anything.
And there's just like all of these, you know, comments that are some of those just troll people just trying to get reactions and stuff like that.
All that, all that.
I like to personally engage all of that shit and I like to come at them with a conversation.
And the thing that ends up happening with something like Facebook is because it's – I'm just a – I guess I'm biased because I don't think very much of Zuckerberg at all.
And he's just kind of a little bit of a thief or a lot of bit of a thief.
He's a thief and he's not an innovator in any way.
He's running a company.
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When you say a thief – Well, because he stole the ideas.
I have some people that were going to school with him around that time period, and he just basically stole the initial code for Facebook, which was generated by a few different people, and just kind of made off with it.
It's like how many companies are formed.
It's like someone had an idea.
There's no way for them to protect the idea because someone capitalized on the idea first.
I think it's like where that came from, where the original code came from and so forth is arbitrary.
So they must be furious.
I know that they're furious, you know, and I know that they're furious and I know some other people from startups that also addressed it.
No, of course he's not going to address it.
I mean, maybe he did.
I don't know.
I'm not an expert on it.
All I know is that in the beginning there was that, and then in parallel, as it was growing and as they were making decisions, I would hear from people that are in his orbit that would kind of describe his decision-making processes and so forth.
And I don't get a sense that he understands...
His social responsibility or his responsibility to the identity of the company seems very far removed.
And his actions kind of dictate that.
It's like a little bit laissez faire in a sense that...
Going back to my comments, I'm commenting on those things because I'm letting people comment, but I'm engaging in a conversation with them in hopes that we can talk about stuff.
But I saw that, and I said, okay, but that's what I'm talking about.
Like, that kind of shit?
Like, once someone comes in and says, hey, we would really like it if you removed those things that talk about some of the mean stuff that we do over here, and we're willing to do business with you, but we want you to put filters up.
Whenever power is consolidated, there are always going to be problems because there's going to be all these different ways that people wish that it were and it's not working for them in this way and so forth.
My thing is the future is distributed.
It's a distributed network, distributed social networks.
I created a bunch of interviews with Jack White and Leslie Feist and Fred Armisen are on there in this stupid series I call Droneversations that shot entirely on drones.
And you can't really hear the conversation because the drones are too loud.
So I managed to get my app made for a really, really cheap price.
A brilliant guy named Oliver Thomas Klein designed single-handedly the whole app.
It was amazing.
And his aesthetic is awesome.
But my thing was, if I can create a template and keep getting the price down to make an app and they're just using the template that I created for other artists and other bands, then we can have a distributed network of apps that can intercommunicate with one another without the need of Facebook, Instagram, any of these social media platforms.
And that way, when a fan comes to visit my site, they know it's my shit.
It's not being tracked.
No one's getting tracked.
For my app, there's no social component to it.
People can't comment on anything.
There's just content to observe, events to behold, and electronics and headphones to be bought.
And that's it.
So when you go there, it feels like a safe space.
And so if there's an interconnected network...
Of distributed apps which essentially are just kind of interactive websites I guess that's what an app is ultimately.
Now you've got something that's distributed.
Fans can kind of trust that it's a safe space.
It's not owned by Facebook.
It's not owned by any of these corporations.
So for me, it's about power consolidation.
It's never going to be what you want it to be.
It'll be convenient and it'll be ever-present.
Like Google, for whatever reason, Google, I have a better opinion of than Facebook.
And mainly, I will say...
Also, the other big factor with Facebook to me is the aesthetics are a piece of shit.
It's a confusing, terribly designed piece of shit.
Yeah, something's wrong I don't know what what happened wrong something has changed something's wrong something He's just talking about all the different ways in these videos that he makes on YouTube all the different ways that you're being tracked Yeah through your fingerprints through your face ID through every Google search all your location data and And, you know, there's this recent thing that came up where Google is being sued in Arizona because they turn location services on even when you have it off.
I mean, it's like, you know, I have this a little bit of that dumb attitude, but it is an attitude where I'm like, well, I'm going to do everything I can to protect myself.
You know, I run VPN on my phone.
I've got a Winston VPN, whatever thing, my browser, you know, to help protect and stuff.
I'll do as much as I can without getting overly geeky and then, like, paranoid about everything.
Well, I mean, I guess there's so much value in knowing.
Once Facebook started getting insanely rich just off of data, there's so much value in knowing what you're up to, knowing where you're going, knowing what you're buying, knowing what you're seeing.
I mean, I just, it was like maybe, I don't know, half a year ago I checked it, it was still active.
And then I deleted it.
But I just think, like, when you're subscribed, my thing is, the future is distributed also, I believe, in a direct economy.
And the direct economy is like, oh, you've got something.
I'm going to buy it from you.
And that's excluding like if you're using an internet like safety payment system or whatever, like PayPal or whatever, that they're going to take a small percentage of it.
I don't really care necessarily about that.
I definitely want to understand the engineering behind it.
But just like if there's something that you want to sell, then sell it directly.
Subscription is a weird thing.
Subscription to me is cool if Instagram and Facebook went to a subscription model so that I didn't have to see any of the fucking ads and that I was guaranteed that my tracking was being limited.
That, you know, privacy is one day going to be a thing of the past.
And not just in terms of, like, what you browse, but I think what you think.
You know, one of the things that Elon said to me in the last conversation I had that really creeped me out is, like, you're going to be able to talk without words.
Yeah, you're making out with some eastern block chick and all of a sudden you fall asleep and you wake up and there's a deep pain on the right side of your body.
What I'm hoping for is another age of enlightenment.
Spain had one.
Most large cultural epicenters have had these moments where things kind of came into balance after some great turmoil and we were able to just put on cruise control for a little while and explore more in-depth, nuanced things about who we are.
I think the only way we're going to be able to pull that off today is with mushrooms.
We're gonna need something that lets people know, like, oh, this reality that you're in is a very bland, two-dimensional projection.
Of the reality that you can experience with our little fungus friends.
Just a little bit of an escape from this tired realm into a land of infinite possibility of love and understanding and connectedness and a dissolving of the ego The likes of which you've never experienced before.
If we could all do that, if that could be legal, look, marijuana has radically changed the culture of California, radically changed the culture of Denver, radically changed the culture of everywhere where it's been legalized.
And it's changed the way people communicate with each other.
It's changed their ideas about law enforcement because we're no longer worried about jackbooted thugs knocking down our door because we like to smoke a plant that makes us happy.
That's not a concern anymore.
That's a fundamental shift in just how we are as a human race.
And that's us.
It's a mild psychedelic.
Psychedelics, they come in very, you know, if marijuana is a gateway to anything, it's a gateway to the real psychedelics.
It's a gateway to mushrooms.
It's a gateway to DMT. It's a gateway to mescaline.
Yeah, all those really fucking profound, world-dissolving ones.
It's a gateway to those things.
And I really think that we need something like that at this time.
We need...
We need rituals, some sort of psychedelic rituals, and best processed by real legitimate professionals and real established centers where people actually know what they're doing.
We could help people get past this bump in our evolutionary travels.
And you just need to take it on, understand it, and then transform it.
Transform it into a part of yourself that makes you stronger.
And psychedelics, really, they're just like a reminder.
It's a reminder of how we are.
Because when children are born and their eyes are flinting everywhere and they're trying to absorb as much as they can about the world, they don't care about color.
They don't care about...
Any of the shit that we have problems with, all that stuff is learned.
That initial state is essentially what happens with psychedelics.
We go back to the interconnectedness of consciousness, however you want to define that, but the experience of it is very interconnected.
And it's a reminder that, oh yeah, we're natural organisms.
And you also realize that your life experiences and your memories and even your personality is basically like a tiny pop-up tent that you've set up in the wilderness of real consciousness.
Yeah, it's true.
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You're like, I've got my little stove here.
I'm going to cook my tea, and I've got it all under control.
And it's like, you know, I mean, and guaranteed I've had arguments with people.
I mean, I remember there was like a skinhead on a bus once and we had a conversation together and he was still an active skinhead and we were sitting across from each other.
But we kind of like, he commented on something I was wearing or something like that.
And we started talking for a second.
We were talking about mutual things and then he got, he got up to get off the bus and he just kind of looked at me and just kind of went...
And he just kind of shrugged and walked off.
And I was like, that's interesting.
Basically, a neo-Nazi guy was on a bus.
And for whatever reason, we connected on this one thing.
And it reminded me of, you know, the cartoon with the sheepdog and the...
Yeah, morning Ralph.
That's how sometimes I like to view stuff.
I'm like, okay, so you're going to play the role of the person who's the fascist.
I'm going to play the role of the person who's afraid and hiding in the shadows.
Okay, and go, and scene, and action.
And there's something about...
You know, I talk to my friends about it.
It's like, there is a way, if you're smart, you're intuitive, and you're emotionally intelligent enough, you can always find your way to that person's core.
And you can share a value.
If you can share one value, you can make it, you can learn something, even if it's a brief moment, just for a second, an interconnected moment with another person who shares none of your values at all.
He is a blues musician who has personally converted more than 200 KKK and Nazi members and got them to leave.
And he did this, he got them to leave these hate groups, and he did this because he met a guy at a gig.
He was doing a gig, and he met this guy, and the guy was like, you play, you know, you're a really good musician.
And they get to talking, and he sits down with the guy, and the guy says to him while he's talking to him, well, I never had a drink with a black guy before.
He thought the guy was joking.
He's like, come on, man.
And he's like, no, I really haven't.
And he goes, you haven't?
And he goes, no, I'm in the KKK. And he's like, what?
The guy pulls out his fucking KKK ID. What?
Yeah.
So Daryl gives this guy his number and says, hey, I'm going to be in town again.
You know, when I'm in town again, let's have a drink.
Let's talk.
So they become friends.
So they start talking.
A few months after they become friends, the guy hands him his grand wizard outfit and says, I'm quitting.
He says, obviously I was wrong.
I had this idea that black people were inferior.
First of all, Daryl is extremely intelligent, very articulate, and a brilliant musician.
And just the way he talks, it's very clear that he's smarter than you.
Like, he's a smart guy.
So if you're a dumb dude who's in the KKK and you're talking to this...
Guy who you've, in your group, you've determined this is an inferior guy.
It just works because, like, once you're just, like, you're not noticing the stuff and you're just casually talking, you're shooting the shit with somebody and you're like, oh, yeah, it's cool.
Oh, I love, you know, and then before you know it, they're just like, oh, what?
You're like, but they shouldn't be, but I was scared of, but I thought, you know, it's like the first time you meet, like the first time I saw like a queen, you know, like a drag off, you know, and I was like, they're so tall and so boisterous, so big, and I was like, I'll never be able to You know, be able to energetically mingle with someone like that and come to understanding.
And then I've had some of the most incredible conversations with so many people of all different kinds of walks of life that I thought I didn't hate them or anything.
And a lot of it is just being confident enough in yourself that you're like, whatever they're doing, whatever they're projecting at me, I understand it's them projecting at me.
And I had some early, when we first moved there, problems with my dad sitting on the porch smoking his cigarettes and people going like, what's that guy doing out there?
You know, whatever.
And then my mom's white and they're confused.
But...
But all of these neighbors came out and people came down from the street, you know, and they're just like, oh, what's going on?
They're like looking at the car and they're like, oh, hey, can I grab a picture and stuff like that?
And the thing that I noticed, it's like, that was the first time all my neighbors were like together on the street for this moment.
And then I kind of realized, well, when you have a platform where people recognize what you do, and oh, by the way, congratulations on Spotify.
That's fucking rad when I saw that.
I was like, good for them to celebrate that.
That's great.
Yeah.
But when you have a platform, and you could be any way you wanted to be to anybody coming up to you if they recognize you from your platform, but if you are open and inclusive and taking the time to spend with people...