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April 17, 2020 - The Joe Rogan Experience
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Joe Rogan Experience #1460 - Donnell Rawlings
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joe rogan
One.
Done!
We're live.
unidentified
Mmm.
joe rogan
So good to see you.
donnell rawlings
Okay, this is not the cough that people expect to cough from me.
joe rogan
This is just a weed cough.
Donnell has not been tested.
He will be tested today at the end of the podcast.
I'm not worried.
donnell rawlings
But you ain't got to blow it up like that, bud.
Give me a chance to explain.
I'm not worried.
I'm not worried.
Give me a chance.
And I understand.
I haven't, but I have subscribed.
Six feet?
I have my measure.
I have subscribed to...
joe rogan
Social distancing.
donnell rawlings
Social distancing, 100%.
But the new normal.
joe rogan
The new normal.
Should we move over a little bit?
donnell rawlings
The new normal.
And the new normal.
And this has nothing to do with you, Joe.
But just...
I'm just saying this.
It ain't...
I'm protected, possibly protecting myself.
From me to you.
And I love you, and I know that we have a certain amount of trust factor, but this 19 shit is kind of dead in how trustworthy you are to somebody.
joe rogan
What do you think?
Well, first of all, I think what's really important for everybody right now is to strengthen your immune system.
First of all, can I tell you something?
donnell rawlings
You look good.
joe rogan
You look like you lost weight.
donnell rawlings
Thank you.
Maybe like five pounds, but I feel good.
Thank you.
joe rogan
Yeah.
Should I? You don't have to take that fucking thing off.
I knew motherfuckers that eat Elks don't give a fuck about no COVID. Yo, once you eat Elk, you don't give a fuck about no COVID. Well, that's one thing is like eating well, eat healthy, take vitamins.
This is what you need to take for sure.
Vitamin C, large doses of vitamin C, vitamin D, and zinc.
Those are very important right now.
donnell rawlings
Isn't zinc an aphrodisiac also?
joe rogan
Yes, it's good for low.
donnell rawlings
So you can get your immune system up and get everything up.
joe rogan
Well, that's all connected to your body being healthy.
The more vital your body is, the more vitality you have.
Everything's going to work better.
Your hormones, your immune system, everything.
So those are things that I recommend to everybody.
donnell rawlings
But nobody's thinking about that, Joe.
joe rogan
Oh, you got to.
donnell rawlings
No, I'm saying you have to, but nobody is thinking about that.
Everybody is so afraid.
COVID to COVID to COVID. But I personally think that you should be more afraid of catching a cold and the flu than getting COVID-19.
joe rogan
I think you should be afraid of COVID-19, but you should also be afraid of catching the flu.
donnell rawlings
Right.
joe rogan
All of it's bad.
All of it's bad.
It's not good to be sick.
But...
When you protect your immune system and keep your body healthy and strong, it definitely, it's like you have troops, alright?
You gotta think of the virus as like an invading army.
All these viruses.
And apparently, that Lex Friedman quote, what was it?
How many different viruses are there?
Hundreds of thousands that are constantly competing?
Like, he was describing it, this genius Russian scientist that I have on the podcast.
donnell rawlings
He was like, specifically the COVID virus?
joe rogan
Well, he's talking about all viruses in general.
He's saying it's like a world war out there, viruses.
donnell rawlings
But what I hear, when it comes to it being a world war, I've heard that the COVID... Look at what this guy wrote.
joe rogan
There's 320,000 plus distinct viruses in mammals and 100 million invertebrates and plants.
There's an epic microscopic world war going on all around us and inside us.
Nature is beautiful and terrifying.
donnell rawlings
So why is this one getting the...
Headlines.
joe rogan
It's a novel coronavirus, meaning no one has an immune system for it.
No one has developed immunity.
You know, when you think about other diseases like the common cold or, you know, different flus, like we've had flus.
People have a certain amount of immunity to flu.
You get flu shots.
You can get a flu shot.
It gives you an immunity to a certain amount.
Even when they get the flu shot wrong, Apparently, because sometimes they guess the wrong flu strain.
It still has enough of what a flu is to protect you somewhat, so it'll keep you from getting more sick.
donnell rawlings
So corona is actually a strain of, it's like the baby brother of the flu?
joe rogan
Not really.
It's a type of virus.
A coronavirus is a whole category of viruses that includes the common cold.
This is, they call it SARS-2 or COVID-19.
And this is a new one.
So the problem with this is no one knows how it gets spread.
Even back as far as January, they were thinking it didn't spread through the air.
donnell rawlings
They were thinking it didn't spread person to person.
And I know this might be some ignorant questions, but I know a lot of ignorant people.
joe rogan
No, it's not ignorance, man.
It's not ignorance.
None of us really know.
We're learning.
donnell rawlings
Like you said, I think what people are fearful of the most is if it's airborne.
joe rogan
Yes.
donnell rawlings
I mean, I don't know if that is the specific reason why they're enforcing wearing masks or whatever.
And I don't know if we've got to that panic stage.
I know none of the people have announced it or anything, but it hasn't been classified as a virus that's airborne.
Like, it doesn't just fly around motherfucking, fly around shit all day.
joe rogan
Well, when a virus is airborne, what it means is like when you sneeze or you cough or you, you know, breathe on someone, there's moisture that's going through your mouth and into the air and it's spreading.
It's traveling a certain amount of distance.
That's how things are airborne.
It's not like they're just flying around.
It's they're coming out of people and they're getting in other people.
donnell rawlings
So the average space a motherfucker can spit some shit at six feet before it can affect you?
joe rogan
There's a lot of theories.
Some people think it could be as much as 13 feet.
donnell rawlings
Really?
joe rogan
Yeah, they don't know.
It's all guesswork.
It's all guesswork.
They're learning as they go along.
But they do know it travels through the air.
There was a really sad story about a choir that got together.
Black?
I don't know.
I don't know.
They didn't say I don't believe.
donnell rawlings
How many people died?
A choir?
joe rogan
A couple people died because they were all singing together.
And when you're singing together, you're raising your voice and you're projecting.
So probably like feeling the air with all this stuff.
donnell rawlings
I just...
It's just interesting, man, because you like...
Everybody, all you hear people say is like, I can't wait for it to get back to normal again.
I can't wait.
And I think that people want to have enough confidence in the government or Donald Trump.
I think some people are just waiting for him to say, okay, we're good.
It's over.
And that's not going to be the case.
It'll never be like...
joe rogan
Charlamagne posted something on his Instagram today.
donnell rawlings
I don't fuck with Charlamagne, son.
Was it a booty picture?
No, it wasn't a booty picture.
Was it a picture with him kissing the tongue, kissing Malik Yoba, son?
joe rogan
Could you go to Charlamagne's Instagram?
donnell rawlings
Yo, son, you know you can't bring that name up around me, son.
joe rogan
You guys love each other.
donnell rawlings
Oh, my God.
Booty, booty, booty.
Can you introduce this with some booty music at least, son?
You just started a fucking fight.
joe rogan
I didn't.
I didn't.
When he posted...
donnell rawlings
Oh, my God.
And his name is Lenard, Joe.
joe rogan
Okay.
Charlemagne is a great name.
donnell rawlings
Oh, yeah, but the God part is the thing I would never connect with.
joe rogan
Oh, yeah.
Yeah.
Well, he can get away with it somehow.
Lenard.
Lenard, he even says that.
But if you go to his Instagram, there's something he posted about the Spanish flu.
donnell rawlings
Why you ain't go to the one I posted about here?
Oh, that's my...
Well, go ahead.
And Spanish flu.
Go ahead.
I'm sorry.
joe rogan
I don't know if you know which one it is.
No, it's a photograph.
I think he...
God damn it.
Am I wrong?
I was pretty sure it was happening.
donnell rawlings
What about that one in Charlamagne?
You don't want to show that one.
Nah, that's the one you know.
I don't know that Charlamagne.
I know that motherfucker with them yellow Richard Simmons booty shorts.
joe rogan
Okay, but before we lose track of what we're talking about.
donnell rawlings
And I promise I won't interrupt it.
No, I'm just saying, Joe.
joe rogan
I'm trying my hardest.
I know you guys.
donnell rawlings
I'm trying my hardest not to interrupt, man, but I can't stand them booty shorts, but go ahead.
I'm sorry.
Go ahead, man.
joe rogan
Maybe it wasn't his.
I swore I did not bring this up just to start this shit.
donnell rawlings
No, it's like you set me up, bro.
joe rogan
No, no, I did not.
I would never do that.
I would never do that.
I only did it because he...
I thought it was him.
Someone posted...
Maybe he did it on Twitter.
I don't know.
Someone posted something that was a picture of these people that got tired of social distancing after the 1918 flu.
And they were out in the streets celebrating the end of the war.
And they said that that started a resurging cases.
And the second wave wound up killing more people than died in the war.
donnell rawlings
And you know who those people were?
joe rogan
Young men.
donnell rawlings
No, they were motherfuckers that was in fucked up relationships.
Joe, if Corona don't test anything, it's going to test the love that you have for the person that you're supposed to love.
And I'm pretty sure, like, nobody wants to die, right?
Definitely nobody wants to die, right?
But sometimes they just mention that, you know what?
Huh!
joe rogan
You're finding out if you made a mistake right now.
donnell rawlings
You made a mistake, but you start, and I hope this is not the case with people, you start weighing it.
You're like, oh, fuck, man, I swear.
joe rogan
Well, women with men, too, man.
Imagine living with a guy who's falling apart right now.
donnell rawlings
Falling apart?
And the health-wise or just mentioning their life?
joe rogan
No.
Like, if you're together, you're together in a house 24-7, and, you know, you're falling apart as far as Like, the way you're handling this.
Like, some people can just accept, okay, this is a new normal.
unidentified
There's people running around right now, fuck this, open the fucking government back up!
joe rogan
There's people that are freaking out right now.
And there's people that have points, and there's people that don't have points, but men and women.
Like, everybody's a mess right now.
donnell rawlings
But you know, you're absolutely right, and I know you got it.
You're a fan of David.
You know what I'm saying?
joe rogan
Love him.
donnell rawlings
David and David Goggins.
joe rogan
Oh, love him too.
donnell rawlings
You know what I'm saying?
I agree with you.
You have different mindsets when something like this happens.
joe rogan
Yeah.
donnell rawlings
You have the mindset of like, oh fuck, what am I going to do?
How am I going to get money?
Fuck.
Oh my God.
I only can survive for one week.
Somebody please help me.
You got that motherfucker, the bitch motherfucker.
Then you got a motherfucker that's calm and says, okay, there will be some challenges.
I'm not sure where the next money is going to come from, but I can't just sit there and bitch about it.
I got to do something about it.
joe rogan
You got to do something about it.
donnell rawlings
Like you say, and one of the things that this is going to, what's going to happen with this, it's going to increase awareness on so many fucking levels.
Because they do these COVID fucking briefs every day, right?
And there's three things they say is going to really fuck you up if you do.
Drugs, alcohol, and it's another one.
Obesity.
Obesity, drugs, and alcohol.
joe rogan
They said obesity was the number one factor in New York City.
donnell rawlings
And this is the thing.
This is what they don't report.
And I'm not shitting on anybody, you know.
God bless.
I mean, hopefully nobody I know gets it.
I don't want shit to happen anyway.
But this is what they don't mention when they say these numbers.
You know?
And it's crazy.
I ain't trying to be an asshole.
500 people died today.
They don't break it down.
Is it 500 Joe Rogan niggas?
Is it 500 David Goggins, niggas?
No, it's probably...
You know what it is.
joe rogan
It is, but sometimes it's not.
That's what's scary about this shit.
donnell rawlings
I know sometimes it's not, but we do know, Joe, that it contributes.
joe rogan
Yes.
donnell rawlings
It has a major factor in it.
joe rogan
It's a major factor, and people need to know that it's a major factor and stop saving their feelings.
Just letting them know as a fact...
donnell rawlings
Yeah.
joe rogan
Some fat motherfuckers is dying of COVID. Yes, and sometimes like when you're just talking shit about someone being fat.
donnell rawlings
I saw a motherfucker on the internet, Joe.
This nigga was live with a ventilator, right?
He sounded like Biggie Smalls.
He was like, I'm letting y'all know this is serious.
Nigga, yes, it's serious.
You know what else is serious too?
Those 10 pieces of chicken, that extra sweet tea, that motherfucking potato salad with mayonnaise and mayonnaise and mayonnaise and mayonnaise.
All of that shit is important.
All of it is relevant.
joe rogan
All of it's relevant.
donnell rawlings
All of it is fucking relevant.
joe rogan
It's delicious food, but you know what you're doing when you're eating it.
When you drink something, you know why you're drinking it.
If you drink a regular Coca-Cola, it's goddamn delicious.
donnell rawlings
But you know you're going to pay for it.
joe rogan
You know what you're doing, though.
donnell rawlings
It's like Fram oil filters.
You can pay me now, or you can pay me later.
One of my shop teachers used to tell me that all the time.
He'd be like, I was a fuck-up in school, right?
And he'd be like, Donnell, I'd be fucked up.
He'd be like, Donnell, listen, my lessons are like...
Fram oil filters.
You can pay me now, or you can pay me later.
I was young and dumb.
When you're young and dumb, you don't know what wisdom is.
You're like, this old motherfucker need to shut the fuck up.
I didn't know what he meant until those lessons he tried to teach me then.
As I got older, I was like, now I know what the fuck he's talking about.
You can pay me $2 for this air filter now or $3,000 for a whole new transmission.
Right.
You know what I'm saying?
And people don't understand that.
joe rogan
That's a way of looking at it for sure.
But the problem with people's bodies and what they put into them is they get this connection in their head that this is rewarding them.
That food is rewarding them.
donnell rawlings
That's sugar.
unidentified
Right.
joe rogan
Yeah, it's sugar.
It's a trap.
It's sugar and it's carbohydrates.
donnell rawlings
Black people, we've been trapped for so long, bro.
No, no, more than you.
Black people, you go to any black person's house, you're going to have sugar in the cabinet and salt, right?
You go to a white person's house, you have oregano.
You have thyme, you have rosemary and shit.
Where the fuck is the sugars?
Where's the salts?
joe rogan
But you cook, right?
donnell rawlings
Yeah, I do.
joe rogan
Are you big in the spices?
Do you know your spices?
donnell rawlings
I know my spices, but one of the things that I'm trying to do, and not like Heather B, because Heather B is a good friend of mine, right?
And she just, everything is fried, right?
What I want to do, and I get impressed, is trying to cook cleaner.
And for a black person, telling a black person to eat clean, it's like, ugh, that shit nasty.
joe rogan
Do you get your health work done?
Do you get, like, blood work done to see where your body's at?
donnell rawlings
I don't know where my COVID shit is right now.
joe rogan
They're gonna come here.
donnell rawlings
I thought you had it.
Goddamn, you're like, who's gonna administer the test?
joe rogan
I thought you had a test.
donnell rawlings
Is it gonna be a nurse?
Charlamagne?
As long as it's not Charlamagne.
You can't fly here from New York City.
joe rogan
They won't let you.
donnell rawlings
And I want to know, and that's another thing that's a drawback of this whole process.
Who has access to a test?
You know what I mean?
joe rogan
Who has access to a test?
There's a whole line outside.
There's a bunch of these stations.
They've set up all around the valley where you can pull in and they'll give you a test.
donnell rawlings
But is that something that the government's paying for as part of your insurance?
joe rogan
I don't know.
It's a good question.
Jamie, do you know?
jamie vernon
The one that's on before, you need like a doctor's prescription.
donnell rawlings
But eventually, they're going to have to be able to...
Eventually, it's going to have to be accessible to everybody.
joe rogan
It should be free.
donnell rawlings
Right.
joe rogan
It should be...
Look, if we're going to spend money on anything, we should spend money on that.
donnell rawlings
Right.
joe rogan
God damn.
The idea that you're going to make people pay for that.
You can't.
donnell rawlings
It's crazy.
joe rogan
Yeah, you can't.
This is a thing that's happening right now.
It's almost like...
There's a lot of dangerous shit that happens when things go into chaos because there's people that take advantage of those moments.
People get rich?
People get rich, but more importantly, laws get passed because people are scared.
And those laws can like be – they could sneak something in where they ban encryption.
Or they sneak something in where they stop digital currencies that aren't controlled by certain companies.
They can sneak weird shit in while people are freaking out.
24-hour surveillance because we want to make sure that people don't loot and riot.
Weird shit can happen that can erode your civil liberties when things get chaotic.
donnell rawlings
Different.
Change.
joe rogan
This is a weird time.
But this is where we live.
This is life right now.
You just got to accept that.
donnell rawlings
Do you think something like this had to happen?
For people to put real family values and what's important in perspective?
Do you believe, like we talked about it off, like, and I'm like, I'm a religious person to the extent that I know that it is something that makes people feel good about it.
Yeah.
But then you have those holy, holy, holy people that celebrate God on one level, but then when something like this happens, they don't understand that if you believe that God can fix anything, it's going to take you to the Promised Land.
He had to be part of the narrative of this curse.
joe rogan
I think it's how much responsibility you put on yourself and how much responsibility, even if you believe in God, you put on that.
Like, you gotta do some work yourself, too.
Like, even if you believe in God, don't get so fat that you're gonna die.
donnell rawlings
You gotta...
joe rogan
Yeah, don't do that.
Don't let yourself do that.
Start drinking water.
Just exercise.
Stop eating as much sugar.
You can do it.
donnell rawlings
It can be done.
Joe, I tell motherfuckers all the fucking time...
You gotta fucking help God.
joe rogan
Help him.
donnell rawlings
You gotta help him.
You can't just be like, oh shit, God, I hope I don't get diabetes.
Let me get the cotton candy.
Let me get the extra sweet tea.
Let me get the funnel cake.
You can't do that.
joe rogan
Right.
You're right.
You can't.
Shouldn't.
If you do, you're doing a disservice to the gift of life.
You know how many people out there in wheelchairs?
They're born with horrible, debilitating diseases.
They can't do shit.
People have been in accidents.
People have been blown up in war.
They can't even move around.
And here you are taking a perfectly good body.
And just dump and bullshit into it while it just explodes.
And I understand that people get addicted to things.
You get addicted to that feeling of the rush of eating.
But you gotta get yourself off of it.
You gotta figure out a way to live your life better.
It can be done.
Other people have done it.
You can do it too.
The idea that you can't do it is stupid.
donnell rawlings
You know, you just gave me a thought, and the reason why sometimes I interrupt, because I know I got ADD, right?
And if I don't get my thought out in that second, I'll fucking forget about it.
I get it.
joe rogan
You're just sensitive to interrupting now after the Rizzo podcast.
donnell rawlings
No, no, son, I'm not sensitive.
I'm sensitive to your fucking fans, because them niggas is nasty to me, son.
joe rogan
No, no.
donnell rawlings
No, not in a bad way.
joe rogan
People love you.
donnell rawlings
Yeah, they love me, but they got to get to know me.
joe rogan
Listen, man, I knew you were going to be you.
And I really enjoyed meeting RZA. He's a fascinating dude.
I have a lot of respect for him.
He's a genius.
He's a really interesting guy.
But it was funny to watch this.
donnell rawlings
No, the funniest thing.
I'm going to tell you the funny thing about it.
And I haven't said this.
I was like this.
I'm going to do Rogan.
People were like, what you going to talk about?
I was like, nigga, I'm just going to talk about.
I felt like we had so much to talk about, right?
joe rogan
Yeah.
donnell rawlings
And I don't feel like...
I owe anybody an apology or anything, but I would like to give an explanation.
joe rogan
Please don't.
You're great.
You're just being you.
donnell rawlings
They hated me though, Joe.
joe rogan
No, no, no, no, no.
donnell rawlings
Joe, that's easy for you to say.
They fucking hated me, Joe.
joe rogan
That's incorrect.
donnell rawlings
Joe, they fucking hated me, Joe.
Don't try to tone it down.
unidentified
The people that commented that you read hate you.
joe rogan
You can't say they hated you.
There's so many people.
donnell rawlings
I don't give a fuck about the people that love me.
Nobody cares about that person.
I already got them in the bag, bro.
I don't give a fuck.
I love you.
Fuck you.
Who's an asshole?
You know, it was...
joe rogan
You can never get to a zero point.
You can never get to a no-haters point.
It doesn't exist.
donnell rawlings
It doesn't exist.
I just need to break it down just a little bit.
Listen, because you said they weren't mad at you.
joe rogan
Some of them were mad.
donnell rawlings
A lot of them were mad.
joe rogan
You're reading too many of the comments.
donnell rawlings
And you did.
When we left, and this was before COVID-19, when we would embrace, when I see you, I hug.
And funny, the irony of that interview was at the end of it, you and I were feeling good about it.
joe rogan
I loved it.
donnell rawlings
Yo, I loved it.
Listen, bro.
I loved it like a motherfucker.
So I damn near tongue kissed you.
Pause, no Charlamagne.
No Charlamagne.
Yo, you embraced me because you said, I remember what you said.
You said at the end of it, because that's when RZA did the freestyle or whatever at the end.
And you said, and hearing you say this means a lot.
You said, that might be one of the greatest outros in podcast history.
joe rogan
100%.
donnell rawlings
Coming from a motherfucker that's 1,200 plus.
You just seen it all, right?
And I was like, you right.
And we hugged.
And I do remember you telling me this too.
Don't read the comments, right?
unidentified
Yeah.
donnell rawlings
I'm hard-headed, son.
I'm hard-headed, son.
Ride or die.
And I'm looking at you like, what the fuck do you mean, Joe?
The streets love me.
Man, I had a good run.
Listen, let me tell you something, Joe.
You said don't read the comments.
I know this might be excessive, but I think I only read 2,782.
joe rogan
Oh, my God.
donnell rawlings
And it was nice, it was nice.
And then they started using words that only the vocabulary of a real podcaster, cringe.
joe rogan
Like what words?
donnell rawlings
The word cringe.
joe rogan
Oh, cringe.
donnell rawlings
Just straight cringe.
Like, I need a little bit more information.
What the fuck is your definition of cringe?
They was like, cringe.
Motherfucker said...
And this is the real assholes.
They didn't want anybody to get to know me or anything.
They was telling people exactly where on the timeline...
To find the disgust they had.
They'd be like, I almost fucking killed myself at 1738. Okay, can a motherfucking get 16 minutes before we get there?
joe rogan
Donnell, I'm telling you, you can't pay attention to that.
You just gotta be you.
You're great.
You're great.
donnell rawlings
Joe, Joe, Joe.
That's easy for you to say, Joe.
Yo, how many years did it take you to just be you and comfortable like this?
And the reason why I'm saying that, when you first started, And the birth of my podcast was because of that.
When you first started, I know as calm as your demeanor is right now and as comfortable, and I may be wrong, as comfortable of saying, fuck them, don't worry about them, I know that could not have been your beginning.
You had to have had...
And I may be wrong.
You had to like, okay, why did that person say that?
What do they mean by that?
joe rogan
Donnell, I think I have brain damage.
donnell rawlings
From what?
joe rogan
From getting hit in the head.
And I don't think I worry about the same things that people worry about.
donnell rawlings
Right.
You're absolutely right.
joe rogan
That's a real possibility, right?
You know me.
That might be real, right?
There might be something going on there, but it's also...
I had that Fear Factor money and I just wanted to do stand-up.
And I was free.
donnell rawlings
Okay, so you had...
unidentified
I don't buy a lot of shit.
joe rogan
I don't go crazy.
I like cars.
That's my only addiction.
But when I did something like Fear Factor and making some money, it gave me this freedom to not worry about ever doing But you always have been of that mindset.
Yeah, but it reinforced it.
Things like that reinforce it.
Like having savings in the bank is nice, but also doing what you want to do is nice too.
One of the things that I learned from Fear Factor is that I don't want to do that anymore.
I don't want to do that kind of stuff anymore.
donnell rawlings
You know what?
I don't want to be premature of it, but I consider you my podcast mentor.
You know what I'm saying?
But not being...
I'm not into it too early, but you made me feel that type of confidence in terms of controlling your own destiny, being in control of your own shit, and this is what you want to do.
Because I've talked to you about...
Every time I get an idea, I hear you.
I'm like, what do you think about this?
It's a TV show.
And you told me, like, I was excited about this idea.
And you were like...
The podcast, bro.
You control it.
It's your show.
joe rogan
You're you, right?
You're you at your best when you're just having fun, being you.
And no one's going to allow you to do that.
These producers are going to get greasy.
They're going to get their greasy hands on you, and they're going to try to do this, or get you to wear that, or don't talk about this.
Donnell, if you could just lay back here.
There's a bunch of people directing you.
You're not going to get to who you really are.
You've got to do it by yourself.
donnell rawlings
Where'd you find that?
I ain't trying to interview you in your own show, but when did you feel that?
joe rogan
I just knew that.
donnell rawlings
Because I saw a Tom Green interview you did?
joe rogan
Yeah.
donnell rawlings
And this was like, I don't know if this was considered the birth, because this wasn't the technology, the whole thing.
And you were like breaking it.
It was weird for me to hear you breaking down the future of it to somebody that was actually doing it.
And you said, you said, you got to figure out This is important.
How do you make money off of it?
joe rogan
How do you make money off of it?
Yeah.
But you also got to keep it the way it is, where no one was fucking with it.
When I went to Tom Green's house, he just had these wires.
Like, this is 2007, so it wasn't as sophisticated back then.
donnell rawlings
And when I realized that timeline, I'm like, what the fuck?
They going live?
joe rogan
How the fuck?
donnell rawlings
That was dial-up!
joe rogan
Not only was it, no, people had cable, and they had ISDN lines, and 2007, it was like, a lot of people had cable.
It wasn't near the bandwidth that you got now, but he had all the servers and everything in his house.
He had this dope house in the hills, and he had turned this house into a TV studio.
His living room wasn't a living room anymore.
It had a desk, it had monitors behind it, and all this was like these big fat fucking cables.
donnell rawlings
So that was the show after Canada, the Canadian show?
unidentified
Yeah, yeah, yeah.
joe rogan
He did this all on his own, and I had actually met with the company, I met them at the Denver Comedy Works, and talked to them a little bit about doing something similar.
But I was like, my thought was like, as soon as you start doing it with a company, now you're doing the same thing again.
You're just doing it online.
You're just doing it online.
There's different kinds of people, and it's not a value judgment, but there's different kinds of people.
There's wild, creative people, and then there's studio executives.
Studio executives are the people that have to look at these wild, creative people and go, How do I make sure that Donnell doesn't go crazy?
I'm going to put him on this show.
donnell rawlings
That's why I'm not on a regular TV show.
joe rogan
He says he gets too wild.
We've got to bring him down.
donnell rawlings
He said son too much.
joe rogan
We've got to keep him on.
The commercials have to come in seven minutes.
He has to be ready to make that break.
And they'll say, look, we've got numbers, Donnell, that shows when you start talking about this, people get upset and they tune off.
But if you just talk about this, we're better.
So we've written you some talking points, and they'll bring you some shit.
Look, we're not writing for you.
We're just giving you some stuff to play with.
donnell rawlings
And you're like, what the fuck is this?
But I do need the money.
joe rogan
And then you have to have a meeting, and Debbie's going to pull you into the office and go, Donnell, I just don't think you respect me.
Okay, we have to work together.
I'm your executive producer.
I'm here to put this show together.
You have to work with me.
donnell rawlings
And I don't want to, I would love to work with you, but I don't want to, because you don't respect the fact that I, that you don't respect what I'm doing.
So how the fuck do you get to respect?
joe rogan
The wild creative people, it doesn't always work out.
Like sometimes they don't, it doesn't pan out.
A podcast doesn't pan out or a TV show doesn't pan out, but at least they have a chance.
You can't have a podcast like yours.
Yours is a perfect example.
You're just you.
A lot of it is just you ranting into the camera about shit.
No one would ever let you do it that way and let us build an organic audience.
donnell rawlings
And that's why...
When you were trying to tell me the beauty of it, I wasn't understanding.
Another reason I wasn't understanding, I was like, alright, motherfucker, when do the money kick in?
You know what I'm saying?
I understand that.
And you was like, yeah, Don Hale is going to be wonderful.
I was like this, alright, what number do I hit when I start getting the money?
joe rogan
Genuinely, they'd say, it's like when you start getting, I think it's like 100,000 downloads.
That's when advertisers become interested in you.
Because that's legitimate.
That's 100,000 people And as long as you pick your products carefully, I definitely didn't.
donnell rawlings
I'm good, man.
Right now, I'm coming.
Dick pills?
joe rogan
Mine was the Fleshlight.
It was the first one.
donnell rawlings
Flashlight?
joe rogan
Fleshlight.
donnell rawlings
What's the Fleshlight?
joe rogan
The Fleshlight is a fake pussy that comes and looks like a flashlight.
donnell rawlings
Are they still in business?
unidentified
Oh yeah, they're still in business.
donnell rawlings
Yo, the Donnell Rawlings show.
And I want y'all to pay me for that one right now.
Let's do some fucking business.
joe rogan
They'll do some business with you, I bet.
If they still do podcasts, do they do anymore?
Well, that's how I met my friend Aubrey when we started On It together.
He was running this rubber pussy business.
donnell rawlings
Yo, you got to get it.
I'm going to tell you, Corona, have you wanted to sell anything?
Because I'm going to tell you, and I agree with what you said, and I was like, I wasn't concerned.
I wasn't thinking about when am I going to make the money out of the podcast.
First thing I was thinking about, can I do a good podcast?
You told me the most important thing is the consistency of it.
You got to get the reps in.
You know, motherfucker, you got a good podcast and don't come out for another five weeks.
joe rogan
You got to make people look forward to it.
So if you do it every week, once a week, twice a week, whatever you're doing, Then people are like, there's a bunch of podcasts that I subscribe to.
They come out on Monday.
I look forward to Monday.
I look forward to checking my phone.
Alright, good new episode.
I'm in it as a fan as much as I'm in it as someone who does it.
donnell rawlings
Yeah, I mean, you push me on it.
You talk shit to me.
People think you inspire me.
You was talking shit to me.
And I was trying to figure out...
joe rogan
I knew how to motivate you.
donnell rawlings
I knew it.
I was like, man, if I see this motherfucker...
joe rogan
You're too good.
donnell rawlings
I was like, if I see this motherfucker one time at a comedy store and he cracks his motherfucking neck and look me in my face and say, what the fuck are you doing?
I was like, that shut up factor.
But going to it...
joe rogan
But I knew I was right.
I knew I was like, Donnell, what the fuck are you doing?
donnell rawlings
I knew you was right, but I was scared, son.
joe rogan
I know, but look, it worked.
donnell rawlings
It worked.
And I was scared.
It's moving.
But, you know, and I feel...
joe rogan
Look at you.
You even have your own mask.
donnell rawlings
That's my son's hair right there, son.
unidentified
Oh, Jesus.
donnell rawlings
That's my son.
And just speaking of that...
joe rogan
Show everybody your mask, though.
The mask is on there.
unidentified
Oh, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.
joe rogan
This is the Donna Wrong Show COVID mask.
donnell rawlings
Oh, we got merchandise for y'all punk motherfuckers now.
This is the...
joe rogan
What does it say on it?
donnell rawlings
Hold on.
Wait a minute.
Wait a minute.
What does it say?
It says...
It says, hold on, it says the Donnell Rawlings show on one side.
What is that?
What side?
joe rogan
Right.
The other side.
donnell rawlings
Oh, Donnell Rawlings show.
joe rogan
On the other side it says, not today, Corona.
donnell rawlings
Not today, Corona.
It won't happen today.
And if you see, yo, looks, alright, I'm going to tell y'all a secret.
I didn't want to...
Yo, I'ma tell you what happens.
This is a tough time for everybody.
Nobody wanted to take their hat off, right?
And yo, I've been feeling it, right?
And I was like, well, never act in Hollywood again if I do this, right?
So I started going, you'll see, I ain't embarrassed.
I got the motherfucking sunroof.
joe rogan
Dude, I got a sunroof.
donnell rawlings
No, I got a sunroof, sunroof.
joe rogan
Look at this, man.
This is a sunroof.
donnell rawlings
Yo, but your sunroof would make it for $50 million a year.
This is not the same roof.
You know what I'm saying?
This is a hoopty roof right here.
So I cut my son's hair, right?
And I was like, oh shit, what can I do, right?
He saw us there.
He was like, oh.
So I said, I'm going to fuck around.
I'll take you to the show.
And I'm going to get a glue stick.
And put it on my head just for fun.
He thought it would be funny.
And I showed him this podcast the other day.
And he got excited about it.
But the thing I like about me having that hair, it smells like him.
So it's like a little souvenir.
And right there, you know what?
Joe, I don't want to feel like I'm CVS or anything right now.
But I want to say, we all know when it comes to corona, there's certain things that go before you know if you have corona or you kind of feel it.
Your sense of smell and your sense of taste.
That's why, Joe, you're not going to believe this.
I came up with a one of a kind.
This is specific to me.
It's the Donnell Rawlings show.
joe rogan
Okay.
donnell rawlings
Now, I don't know if you're familiar with a smell called black ice.
Black ice?
Do you know what black ice is?
joe rogan
No.
donnell rawlings
You don't know what black ice is?
joe rogan
I don't know.
I wouldn't lie to you.
donnell rawlings
No, you don't really know what the black ice air freshener is.
joe rogan
I don't think so.
Do you know what it is?
donnell rawlings
You don't know?
Okay, I bet you'll know this.
I mean, do you know the air freshener?
joe rogan
For a car?
donnell rawlings
Alright, you know this one.
You know the Royal Pine air freshener, right?
joe rogan
Yeah, those little trees.
donnell rawlings
That's the white one.
unidentified
You racist motherfucker, son.
donnell rawlings
Yo, is there another color?
joe rogan
Let me just tell you right off the bat.
Listen, I'm a car freak.
I hate air fresheners.
I don't like them.
I want to smell car.
I want to smell gasoline and leather and carpet.
donnell rawlings
It's not about your car.
You've not been into a Cadillac, a black-owned Cadillac.
You've never had a ride with Snoop Dogg or any of the hip-hop dudes, right?
joe rogan
No.
donnell rawlings
That's right.
In the culture, black culture, black ice, it's just the smell.
joe rogan
You always have to have it in your car?
donnell rawlings
If you want to get some pussy back in the day...
You know what I'm saying?
joe rogan
Your car had to smell right!
donnell rawlings
Yo, Joe, I'm not bro-shitting.
There it is.
joe rogan
Oh my god, it's a tree, though.
donnell rawlings
Yeah, it's a tree.
joe rogan
It's the same thing.
donnell rawlings
It's the same thing as the white man's air freshener.
joe rogan
It's the same shape?
donnell rawlings
It's the black lives matter of air fresheners, Joe.
joe rogan
It is hilarious, though, they pretend.
Look, it's like a tree made out of chemicals.
donnell rawlings
But Joe...
joe rogan
Oh, it's like the woods.
donnell rawlings
Joe, I don't want to distract, but getting back to the candle, this is the Donnie Ross candle, right?
joe rogan
You got a candle?
Let me see that show.
donnell rawlings
Alright, check it out.
Whitney Cummins has one.
Angela Yee had one.
Check it out.
Tell me what you think.
Oh, that smells good.
Jamie, so you know what?
Now, let me smell it.
See, that's another thing.
This candle helps you during Corona.
Like, you burn that candle, and the minute you don't smell it, nigga, go get a test.
But more importantly, Joe, more importantly, Joe, could you read the description?
Could you read the description and the ingredients in it?
joe rogan
This shit back here?
donnell rawlings
Yes, sir.
joe rogan
I gotta get my glasses.
donnell rawlings
Get your glasses, man.
jamie vernon
I have it on the screen if you can do that better.
joe rogan
Yeah, much better.
There we go.
From Marcy Projects to Hollywood, Donnell captured six true smells oils.
Going from ashy to classy.
Breathe in the memories of cold air hitting your skin on a winter's day.
Shades of your skin getting ashier and ashier as the brisk wind hit your arms and ankles.
Capture the energy of a good lotion without having it.
Black ash eliminates the smell of twerk and replaces it with its exotic smells.
donnell rawlings
The ingredients, Joe!
joe rogan
I don't know the first one.
What is that?
donnell rawlings
Bergamot?
joe rogan
Bergamot?
What is that?
I don't know what that is.
Do you know what that is, Jamie?
donnell rawlings
Bergamot, we don't know.
joe rogan
Sandalwood, I've heard of that.
Musk.
Elon.
Lavender.
Jasmine.
And Amber...
Ambergris.
donnell rawlings
Ambergris?
joe rogan
Ambergris.
donnell rawlings
Ambergus.
joe rogan
Do you know what that is?
donnell rawlings
Okay, Ambergus, this is where, because I have a really professional person that does these candles, right?
Ambergus, and I was talking to somebody that's really a health nut into raw stuff.
Ambergus, this is what I heard Ambergus was at first.
It was sperm.
From a whale.
I knew you were going to get excited about this.
Even when I thought about...
This is what I heard first.
It was sperm from a whale that they mined for, right?
But come to find out, it wasn't...
I thought it was...
I was like, oh, shit.
My candle got a whale nut, right?
But it's not that.
It's the byproduct of an actual sperm whale.
joe rogan
But no cruelty.
No cruelty.
How'd they get the load out of the whale without being cruel?
donnell rawlings
See, that's when the story started to...
That's when the story got flaky, you know what I mean?
I needed to know more.
I was like, who was jerking the whale?
joe rogan
60,000 pop-up ads, you son of a bitch.
What is it?
Oh, you have to give them an email?
Oh, shut up.
donnell rawlings
I know you got somewhere else on it.
joe rogan
What I was going to say is that Red Bull, we found out that Red Bull's made with taurine, and the original source of taurine, they used to get it from bull testicles.
donnell rawlings
Really?
joe rogan
Bull nuts, yeah.
Like, Hitler apparently was into taurine.
donnell rawlings
Bull nuts?
joe rogan
Yeah, it's like some form of testosterone or something or some form of stimulant.
donnell rawlings
Well, anything that has something to do with sperm, it feels like it's supposed to give you super strength or something.
joe rogan
People are silly.
Ambergris, how to tell if you've struck gold with the whale vomit.
Or stumbled upon sewage.
Oh, so sometimes they find it, like floating around.
donnell rawlings
Yeah.
joe rogan
Oh.
Is it loads or is it puke?
donnell rawlings
The first thought, I thought it was sperm, so I was like, who the fuck is swimming through?
joe rogan
Oh my God, look at that shit.
It can be up to $71,000 for a 1.57 kilogram lump.
That's like three and a half pounds, right?
Something like that?
donnell rawlings
And it's saliva.
What is the whale?
What is it?
The whale?
joe rogan
It said whale vomit.
donnell rawlings
So it's like truffle.
unidentified
Yes!
Look!
donnell rawlings
I knew it!
I know it's compared to fucking truffles.
My candle got truffle-ish type fucking ambergris.
joe rogan
It's a product of the sperm whale.
That's what it is.
Scroll back up a little bit there, Jimmy.
donnell rawlings
And there's no cruelty.
Nobody beat the shit out of the whale.
joe rogan
It's not whale sperm.
It's a product of the sperm whale.
Only a sperm whale makes the compound responsible for ambergris allure.
It's called ambrine.
And different organisms biosynthesize different compounds such as caffeine made by cocoa, coffee, or tea plants.
Ambreen is made by sperm whales only to glue together squid beaks.
donnell rawlings
What the fuck?
So what you saying now, Joe, is my candle is baller as shit, man.
joe rogan
Listen to the rest of it.
Listen to the rest of it.
Squid is the main diet of sperm whales, but the beaks can't be digested.
They need to be passed out without causing injury and they do this by coating them with ambrine.
So the sperm whale creates this amazing shit just to dissolve beaks of squids.
donnell rawlings
Or to be in my fucking candle.
joe rogan
Goddamn nature is amazing.
donnell rawlings
And to be in my fucking candle and to say all that off my black ass.
But the thing is, it's some quality shit in there, Joe.
And the thing about it was...
I was going to launch this before the corona shit hit, but I had to ask myself, like, this is what put things in perspective for me.
I'm a road rat.
You know I'm a road dog.
joe rogan
Yeah.
donnell rawlings
When you're a road dog, you start feeling...
You look at your calendar...
And see your calendar, you're like, I'm good.
And the rhythm of my calendar, before this shit popped, I was rocking with Martin.
We had fucking dates coming on.
You know what I'm saying?
joe rogan
I had some good shit.
Nashville, New Orleans.
donnell rawlings
I had one time where I was supposed to do you.
This was going to be my weekend.
It was you and Dave on a Friday and then Martin Lawrence the next day.
joe rogan
Jesus.
donnell rawlings
As they say in the streets, God was good as a motherfucker.
The last show I did before these mandates came in, it was at the Milwaukee Theater.
joe rogan
Yeah, I've been there.
donnell rawlings
The Pabst Theater.
So you've been down in that green room downstairs, right?
Incredible.
That was the last time I was on stage.
joe rogan
Do you remember what weekend that was?
donnell rawlings
Is that the 14th?
joe rogan
Or was it the weekend before that?
It was like a couple of weekends where people were still...
I remember Post Malone had a big show.
donnell rawlings
It was right when it was about to pop.
It was like, you know, the reason why, because seeing the Days Road guy, whatever, every, like, when we were on the road, every day was a different news report.
You know what I'm saying?
It was right when it was going down, Joe.
It was accelerating.
Yeah, it was everybody was like, oh, fucking, this is what we was hearing.
The NBA. The NBA. Baseball!
And we was like this.
We good.
We telling jokes.
unidentified
Bow, bow, bow!
donnell rawlings
And the next thing you know, the shit was shut down.
But I said...
I was like, hold up, motherfucker.
You are really unemployed right now.
You know?
And when I say that...
My flow of income is rogue.
And I'm like, what do you do?
You got savings and shit, but you still, nobody wants to just see money going out and no money coming in.
And then I was like, I was happy.
I always thank you, but I was happy because you got me out the gate, so the momentum is there.
And I needed to put the focus in on it.
I was forced to put the focus in it, but I put the focus on it and I said to myself, as all these comedians bitch, what am I going to do?
I'm like, you got three months.
To figure out what your rhythm is going to be and what you're going to do.
You can wait for this shit is whatever you consider to be over.
You can wait for it's over and then like start now or you can start now.
And the only reason I'm saying like the candle thing, it was going to be a novelty thing, whatever.
But I was like, this candle is going to train me on what it takes to come up with an idea.
Market it, get people excited about it, provide a quality product, and see what the feedback is, you know?
So I know it may seem like so simple to people, but I've always had an entrepreneur spirit, but never was forced to really engage it.
joe rogan
Yeah, well, you only have so much time, right?
donnell rawlings
That's it.
joe rogan
When you're doing stand-up constantly and you're always on the road, there's only so much time to do other things.
And the worry is that if you do try to do other things, that those things will take time away from your stand-up.
That's what every comic worries me about.
donnell rawlings
But I was a road rat.
joe rogan
Yeah.
donnell rawlings
So, and I talked to you before it started, somebody said, every time I do an interview, the first thing people are like, oh, it must be.
Because we're on the stage, you and I are, we do this shit.
You know what I'm saying?
We don't just...
Okay, I got an arena tour coming up.
All right, I'm going to take two weeks!
joe rogan
Imagine how terrifying that would be.
donnell rawlings
Yo, I'm going to tape...
Look, I'm going to tape an hour special.
I got one week to prepare for it, and you see it.
It's reflective of the show.
joe rogan
You can tell.
donnell rawlings
We're not deaf people.
joe rogan
No.
donnell rawlings
We straight up Monday, Tuesday, Wednesday...
You know, you probably not so...
You do clubs anymore?
joe rogan
I do all the clubs.
donnell rawlings
Do you go out and hit like a comedy club?
joe rogan
Yeah, I still do.
I like to.
I like to do comedy works in Denver.
donnell rawlings
So you know what those reps are.
For that person, it's just like everything we express and part of it we do it because it's somewhat about therapy.
You know what I'm saying?
You angry or something?
Let me go fucking talk about it.
You happy about something?
Let me go fucking talk about it.
You know?
Like...
So, people like that, when it's time to put up, you're fucking ready to do it.
You know what I mean?
You're working out.
joe rogan
Yeah, you have to.
We've all tried stand-up different ways.
There's been comedians since the beginning of stand-up trying it different ways, and pretty much everybody agrees.
You've got to do it constantly.
donnell rawlings
And I always lose my thought, and this is where I start to interrupt.
But the question that I had to bring my back, and I'm learning to be better at this, is people always ask on these interviews, they say, oh, and this was a follow-up on us, how we love performing.
They say, oh, man, it's got to be fucking killing you to not be able to get on stage.
And if...
If I didn't have my son, like, the thing now is I'm replacing stage time with dad time.
And it doesn't affect me as much.
You know what I'm saying?
It doesn't like, oh, I gotta get out!
Because the time I was like, okay, I gotta do three spots tonight, I'm watching Onward with my son.
I'm building a goddamn fucking fake candy machine out of cardboard.
So the transition for me hasn't been that tough because I just put that energy somewhere else.
And it's been...
Amazing.
My son's four years old, yo.
This is the longest stretch of time I've spent with him since he was born.
And not because I'm a neglectful dad or anything, because you got shows.
And it put things in perspective because at one point when I was like, I can't miss this show.
Fuck that, you gotta go get the money, you gotta get the money.
Now that I'm getting this time with my son, Going back out or whatever, I'm like, you know what?
Maybe I should start considering counseling that weekend.
You know?
joe rogan
You could do things around here too.
donnell rawlings
That's what I'm doing!
joe rogan
I've been thinking a lot about that, about almost like doing an L.A. residency.
Find a place that's like a 500-seat theater or something like that.
donnell rawlings
But this is the beauty of COVID. If there's anything, it makes you think on a different level.
joe rogan
It makes you think that this is really temporary.
Just because it's always been there doesn't mean it will always be there.
donnell rawlings
What you mean?
The virus?
Anything.
joe rogan
Whatever life is.
The way our society is structured, this is new.
The cities themselves are new.
They've only been around here for a few hundred years.
donnell rawlings
All my friends think the world started in the 60s.
joe rogan
Whatever it is.
Whatever the date is.
We all know that the world used to be very different.
We just assume that the way it is now is the way it's going to stay.
That's not a good assumption because it's all volatile and changes constantly and there's natural disasters that are way scarier than this virus.
There's things like asteroid impacts that are inevitable.
There's things like super volcanoes which are inevitable.
They're going to happen whether they happen a hundred thousand years from now Or a hundred days from now, somewhere in the world, a giant volcano is going to explode and it's going to turn the whole fucking planet into nuclear winter.
And a lot of shit is going to die.
It's going to cloud out the sun, it's going to cool the temperature of the planet, and it's going to do it for years and a lot of fucking things are going to die.
That's happened a ton of times.
I mean, this, what we're having right now is...
donnell rawlings
But people are conditioned to it because they went through it.
We never went through anything like this.
unidentified
Exactly.
joe rogan
But this is why we're going through something that is the good, if there's anything that's good about going through something, is that you're forced to realize that something can happen.
Something real can happen that shuts the world's economy down and no one saw it coming.
Something real.
That's a real thing.
donnell rawlings
But we really haven't had, in America, we really haven't had that test.
joe rogan
No, but this is for the whole world, though.
This is like a planetary test.
And the good thing about that is you get to see how different people try it.
Different people have different, you know, strategies they have to deal with their public and their healthcare.
And it's very different results all over the planet.
And they're going to analyze all that shit and try to find out why Germany did so well and Italy did so bad and this and that.
And they're going to try to put all this stuff together.
It's a...
It's a terrible time for the people that are affecting the people that get sick.
There's not a good thing.
But people can get something good out of it.
You can get something good out of a bad thing.
And the good thing is to prepare yourself better.
donnell rawlings
I agree with you 100%.
But do you think this, because when you talk about it, you're the only motherfucker I would know that would know more than 10 viruses.
Most motherfuckers I grew up with only know one virus.
You know all the viruses.
I don't know all the viruses.
You know more viruses than me.
joe rogan
Bitch, I barely know what I'm talking about.
I just think it sounds good because I'm repeating shit.
donnell rawlings
But you read off them 10-syllable words like you know all the motherfucking viruses, motherfucker.
You didn't even have to clap it out.
But this is what they say about the virus, too.
This is what they say about the virus, too, Joe.
They say it's a bitch-ass virus.
joe rogan
For some people.
donnell rawlings
For some people.
Do you think, and I've heard that...
Will you think it'll be flattening more when it starts getting really, really hot?
I don't know.
Because I heard it doesn't survive at like 85 degree or 90 degree temperature.
This is what I read somewhere, that the likelihood of it living out of your body is a lot shorter.
joe rogan
I don't know if that's true.
But I do know that for whatever reason, there are seasons where people get colds.
It kind of makes sense that things wouldn't be on surfaces as long.
donnell rawlings
That's why you hear somebody have a cold in the summer, you're like, whoa.
You okay?
Because those viruses, them flu viruses and them coronavirus, that's like some cold shit.
joe rogan
Yeah, I don't know enough to comment on that, but I do know that they're worried there's going to be a second wave.
They're worried there's going to be a first wave, and then people are going to relax, and then there's going to be a second wave.
donnell rawlings
It'll be a second wave if people build too much confidence.
It's definitely going to be a second wave.
joe rogan
What's weird to me is how some people get it and it's nothing.
They don't even...
They just go, oh, I had a cough for a couple days.
I can't believe I had that.
donnell rawlings
A person close to mine that works in my camp, I won't say his name or whatever, right?
A person close to mine, this motherfucker had Corona light!
Yo, I know this.
I try to be funny as the truth.
This motherfucker said, I talked to him.
He said he had corona.
I was like, oh, nigga, corona.
I was all fucked up, right?
I was like, oh, shit.
Like all this shit, right?
And then the motherfucker said he was home like three days later.
I'm like, what fucking type of corona you got?
joe rogan
So he's at the hospital for three days?
donnell rawlings
Yeah, he was in the hospital for three days.
joe rogan
Listen, if you're in the hospital for three days, that means you got it bad.
donnell rawlings
Michael Yo.
Michael Yo.
And the weird thing about the Michael Yo joint, because I love Michael Yo.
I love that dude.
He's such a great dude.
joe rogan
He's a great guy.
donnell rawlings
Yo, Joe, he's such a great guy.
So I'm up early every morning, 4, 4.30.
I'm up early, right?
And certain people are up, like 5 o'clock hit.
I posted something, and Yo liked it, which is okay, normal of him.
And then he commented.
I was like, oh, motherfucker, you up?
Right?
I'm like, you want to comment?
You up.
You can like in your sleep, right?
joe rogan
Right.
donnell rawlings
But to comment, you can just automatically, like, oh, Paul, how many, I owe this motherfucker, like, blah, blah, blah.
Comment is like, okay, put the glasses on, right?
So, this is when I was of the notion.
I was like, motherfuckers, The shit that's so fucked up about this pandemic is that motherfuckers are afraid to die.
And then I said, and this was my mind, I was like, only time motherfuckers really think about living is when they think they're gonna die.
That's when someone, when the doctor says, well, how long does he have to live?
Three years.
They motherfuckers wanna do everything.
They wanna see their parents more.
They wanna fucking do their bucket list shit.
You know what I'm saying?
I was like, that's it.
Motherfuckers, they're afraid to die.
And you gotta know that it's inevitable that it's gonna happen to everybody.
So I just wanted to rap with Yo.
So I told him, I said, man, and I told him this whole shit.
I said, man, motherfucker ain't trying to live until a motherfucker is thinking about dying.
And Michael Yo said, nigga, I almost died, right?
And that moment meant so much to me for so many reasons, Joe, to hear Michael Yo say they were a nigga, son.
I got the same feelings when Wayne Brady said, is Wayne Brady going to have to smack a bitch?
unidentified
I was like, my nigga!
donnell rawlings
Finally!
I was so happy.
I was so happy because Michael Yo is one of the most unscathed motherfuckers you know.
I'm scared!
It seemed like, Michael, your name should have been Preston or something like that, right?
And then he told me what his situation was, whatever, and he's getting better.
He announced it, whatever, but...
joe rogan
He got it bad.
donnell rawlings
He got it real bad.
joe rogan
He was in the hospital and he legitimately told me he thought he was dead.
donnell rawlings
To my point...
As much as we want to consider it, that's all we hear, the death of it.
The death.
joe rogan
Yeah.
donnell rawlings
So-and-so died in 24 hours.
joe rogan
But the thing about Michael Yeo you have to really consider is that he's healthy.
He's young.
Exactly.
He's robust.
Like, he's a guy who works out a lot, does a lot of lifting weights.
unidentified
100%.
joe rogan
When you hear that he got it and almost died, you're like, oh, well, this is a different thing.
I'm thinking we're talking so much about obesity.
unidentified
I don't think he's not that much.
donnell rawlings
I think he eats fried chicken, too.
joe rogan
Oh, it does.
donnell rawlings
Nah, yo, yo, don't let him twist you up.
That nigga ain't no health, health, health nut like that.
unidentified
Nah, just what I'm saying, Michael Yo got all 50-50, nigga.
donnell rawlings
You get in touch with your black side or your Asian side?
Which side did Michael Yo kept Corona in?
Was that the black side of his family?
joe rogan
He's thin and he works out a lot.
He's not overweight at all and he lifts weights a lot.
We talked about on the podcast, he goes to this weightlifting gym.
donnell rawlings
I know.
joe rogan
What was that place he goes to?
It's like some, it's just all weightlifting.
I know what you're talking about.
donnell rawlings
And he's a healthy guy, and that's why when I say, the point I'm making is like, you know, it's not like, this may sound crazy, like, when you, back in the day, when you heard about AIDS, you didn't hear, when it first popped, Nobody survived that shit.
joe rogan
It's true.
donnell rawlings
Nobody.
It was like, you get A's, nigga, for months, it's a wrap.
joe rogan
And everybody thought they had it.
donnell rawlings
And everybody thought they had it.
But the reason why, and it took some time.
It doesn't have a cure, but people are living with it.
joe rogan
When did you get tested?
donnell rawlings
About four years ago.
It's scary.
The first time you got tested for AIDS? No, the first time was like...
joe rogan
I got tested for an insurance thing that I had to do for health insurance in like 92. 92-ish, and I was so terrified.
Just a slideshow of all the terrible decisions I've made.
donnell rawlings
The corona joint.
The point I was making, but when that first hit, motherfuckers was...
People didn't really take it as serious because they just thought it was associated with a certain lifestyle.
joe rogan
Well, originally we thought anybody could get it.
That's what they were really worried.
They were worried that, I mean, this was, remember, when did they even start calling it HIV? Like in the beginning they were just calling it AIDS, right?
People were worried about, and you know, I think before that they even called it the gay cancer.
Like they were trying to figure out what it was.
It was killing people.
But when I took my first test in 92, I remember all my friends were going through a similar situation.
Everybody was terrified to take the test.
Because we were all convinced that it had some incubation period, that you could have it in your body, and you'd be fine for five years, six years, and boom, and it would kick in.
donnell rawlings
But the point I'm making about that is that, like, you hearing, you hear these stories of people like Michael Yo.
You hear this story about the person I was talking about earlier.
You hear people that, when you heard they...
Got it, whatever, that they made it through.
People are surviving it, you know?
joe rogan
Some people.
donnell rawlings
Yeah, some people, yeah.
joe rogan
Yeah, but that's what's weird about it, man.
It's killing some people that are young.
And apparently there's something called, that I never took into consideration, called viral load.
And this is a...
donnell rawlings
From the sperm whale?
joe rogan
It's nothing to do with it.
How do I exactly define viral load?
So it depends, like someone who works as a nurse in an ER who deals with a lot of these patients is much more likely to get it That someone just gets in contact with one person who has it.
donnell rawlings
That's the constant being around?
joe rogan
Yeah, the load.
I mean, these poor people that are working in healthcare right now, they're dealing with this constant environment of sickness.
And a lot of young nurses are dying.
donnell rawlings
Yeah, that's the...
joe rogan
Young doctors.
donnell rawlings
That is...
So fucked up.
And it's so...
That's interesting because you know we have the shortage of these masks and everybody's doing masks and stuff.
And one of my friends was like, I need a mask.
I was like, you better get a scarf or do something, right?
It was like, no, I need the M94, 3M, so-and-so.
I'm like, if you walk down the street with one of those fucking surgical doctor's masks to go to the fucking store...
You should feel ashamed of yourself because the doctors and nurses are the people that need that stash.
The people that are out there on the front line are the ones that need that stash.
joe rogan
That's true, but in California, you have to wear those now.
In LA, you have to wear those when you're out.
donnell rawlings
Yeah, you have to.
I'm talking about the level.
Like, the one I'm talking about is the one that...
joe rogan
Oh, you mean the real filter one?
donnell rawlings
The real filter one.
And I know that they, like, at first it was all about everybody was like, of the notion you've got to have this certain mess.
But then they said, you know, you have to cover yourself, have to do it.
They won't even let you into certain spots because of it now.
joe rogan
Yeah, yeah.
No, there's a new law in Los Angeles.
In Los Angeles, when you're out, you have to have your face covered.
donnell rawlings
Oh, yeah, 100%.
joe rogan
Man, that is...
donnell rawlings
Is that just for going into businesses?
joe rogan
It's a weird precedent to set.
Yeah.
Because now people in the future, like, when are you going to tell them they can't cover their face anymore?
This is where it gets weird.
Because before...
donnell rawlings
They're never going to say that.
joe rogan
Before it was weird if you saw someone with their face covered, you would get nervous.
donnell rawlings
If they weren't Asian.
joe rogan
They were trying to rob you.
Imagine if you're a guy who works at a 24-hour convenience store and everybody's got a fucking face mask.
Do you know how much that guy's tension has spiked?
His anxiety has spiked?
Everyone could potentially rob him.
donnell rawlings
Joe, you're not going to believe this.
joe rogan
You're working a late night shift.
donnell rawlings
You're not going to believe this.
That's why I got a see-through mask.
Tyler, motherfuckers!
You want to get back to really racial profiling?
unidentified
Alright, get to see them.
donnell rawlings
But you're right, that has to make people...
joe rogan
Dude, if you work in a liquor store, and your liquor store has been robbed a couple times already...
donnell rawlings
First off, if I were...
Here's the deal.
Liquor store...
Anybody who's thinking about Rob Lickster, keep in mind that I'm almost certain that every motherfucker that owned a liquor store got a shotgun or a pistol back there.
I don't give a fuck.
They're going to have something back there.
So you can roll up in there with your fucking Spider-Man mask if you want to.
You're going to get your head split.
joe rogan
That's a crazy job to be in, man.
To put yourself in a situation where every day you go at work, you might have a gun stuck in your face and be told to empty out the cash register.
Like, any day.
Like, you're living fear of that.
The people coming in might rob you.
donnell rawlings
I said...
I was at...
I have a routine.
I don't socialize, but I go out and get coffee, right?
There's a 7-Eleven I go to.
And I know the motherfucker, Mexican motherfucker that work in there, right?
And I was outside the car, and there was a black guy in there.
And I could tell the Mexican guy was looking at the black guy.
Next thing you know, I was about to do a radio interview for DC, my man Joe Clay, shout out.
And these motherfuckers started rumbling, like fighting, like going at it, like pop, pop, pop, fuck you, fuck you.
And my instinct...
Was to try to go help or do something.
And for a second I was like, oh, this shit is fucked up, man.
Stop that.
Then I was like, Rona out there, motherfucker.
I'm not getting it.
And finally they stopped.
But it was just weird.
joe rogan
That kind of contact?
Unless you're stopping a man from doing that to a woman or unless you're stopping someone from hurting someone as much smaller than them.
donnell rawlings
This motherfucker worked for 7-Eleven, Joe.
He's defending whatever might have been a can of spam or whatever the situation is.
joe rogan
Oh, that's what they're fighting over?
donnell rawlings
I don't know what it was.
I'm pretty sure he's accused a guy of shoplifting.
But he put his...
Especially in his day and age, whatever.
In the state, this motherfucker was fighting...
He was fighting for this shit.
joe rogan
Let it go.
donnell rawlings
Yeah, you gotta let it go.
I'm like this, motherfucker.
joe rogan
Especially because you're just an employee.
Imagine having a fight for a can of Spam and just getting paid $5 an hour anyway.
What's minimum wage?
What's minimum?
donnell rawlings
It's like $11.
No, no, it's over $7.
joe rogan
I have zero idea.
They're trying to make it $15.
donnell rawlings
I don't even know anybody that's making minimum wage.
joe rogan
I know a few people, I bet.
donnell rawlings
It's like $11.
I think it's like $11 or $12.
joe rogan
Yeah?
donnell rawlings
Yeah.
joe rogan
Yeah, imagine fighting someone for 11 or 12 bucks an hour.
donnell rawlings
They will.
joe rogan
Fighting to the death.
donnell rawlings
If they Mexican, they will.
Yo.
You can start a new league, bro.
Yo, you can try to find a Home Depot MMA match.
That's hilarious.
Them dudes will fight mask-free.
They don't give a fuck.
joe rogan
That's hilarious.
donnell rawlings
Yeah, but I was just like, this goddamn, what are you loyal to?
This company?
Or are you loyal to the fact that you're in there protecting the 7-Eleven goods because you're providing money for your family?
joe rogan
But I've said, I would never say- It's crazy that he doesn't even have a fucking security guard.
Like, the guy behind the counter's got to go back there and fight him.
donnell rawlings
And it was just one dude.
One dude.
No, he couldn't jump.
They couldn't jump or anything.
It was one fucking dude.
joe rogan
Can you imagine being that dude that's in the sketchy area with the late night shift and just sitting there looking out the window, looking at all these people?
You're in there like a little target.
donnell rawlings
Man, I'm telling you, I would be more fearful of that dude that's in that situation every day than a motherfucker that's coming in here.
joe rogan
Yeah.
donnell rawlings
Because you know he's played that scenario on his head forever.
joe rogan
Probably has to.
donnell rawlings
Oh, they're going to come in, I'm going to hit the button and everything.
joe rogan
Yeah, dude, a lot of people, they catch people slipping all the time.
It's just those videos that you watch on YouTube and you see someone get shot or you see someone get robbed, like, man, this is just a job.
Just a terrible job and you get a gun put in your face.
donnell rawlings
Think about getting actually robbed.
I used to live in Brooklyn.
And I used to live in this area called Fort Greene, Clinton Hills.
And it was right in the beginning of being gentrified, right?
Spike Lee used to have a house right down the street.
And I used to do a comedy poetry night, get a little money from the hat or whatever.
And one night I'm going to the weed spot.
I'm like, fuck, I'm gonna go get some weed.
I go to the weed spot, two motherfuckers roll up on me, and I knew I was in a gentrified neighborhood because my hood sensors were down.
I should have never been looking down.
Two motherfuckers roll up on me, give me your shit, motherfucker.
I'm like, oh shit.
It was like, this motherfucker said, where the jewelry at?
Because I'm not a flashy type of person.
He's like, where the jewelry, where the phone at, motherfucker?
I was like, I don't travel like that.
I don't get down like that.
This motherfucker said, oh, you a broke, motherfucker.
You calling me broke, and you fucking robbing me.
I'm like, what the fuck?
Somebody didn't raise you right.
That makes no sense.
And I was still going to go to the weed spot because I still had a couple bucks in my pocket, right?
But I was like, it would be just my luck.
I go to the weed spot and the same motherfucker that robbed me is in the goddamn weed spot.
joe rogan
Yeah.
donnell rawlings
But that shit was like...
People, and when it happened to me, I felt fucked up.
I felt so violated because I'm like, you a bitch.
I would respect you more if you mug me.
You're like, beat me up for my money.
But to pull a gun out and have that advantage and think you tough, that shit was so fucked up and I felt so violated.
On the inside, I was thinking...
Like probably what most white dudes think.
You know what?
I'm going to jump for the gun.
Like you.
I'm thinking probably what you think.
I'm going to disarm them.
Because I know you got to move.
I know you know something.
If somebody put a gun to you, you'll be like...
And the next thing you know, the gun will be in their face.
I was thinking that shit, but I was like, if I miss...
joe rogan
People have a distorted idea of what they can do, especially if a guy's got a gun on you.
You have a real distorted idea of how quickly you can move through space.
All this person has to do is this.
That's it.
That's the great equalizer.
A little movement like that and a kid can kill you.
donnell rawlings
And that was the reason why I didn't go with how I felt on the inside.
joe rogan
Yeah, you have to.
You gotta just give them the money.
It's just, yeah, you're right.
It's a bitch way to do things.
It is.
But it's a part of society that most people never use.
Most people never pull a gun on people to get what they want.
But some people do.
It's a real thing.
And it's one of the weakest things someone can do.
donnell rawlings
It is.
joe rogan
But it also will protect you.
donnell rawlings
You feel powerless.
joe rogan
But it also can protect you.
donnell rawlings
On the other side.
joe rogan
On the other side, it can protect you.
You know, I watched a video today of these guys who broke into an apartment.
unidentified
Yeah, but they don't doubt that.
donnell rawlings
The other side and places, and we talked about this before, the other side were places where it's legal.
Like, you know, the only people that have guns for protection, and I'm speaking where I live in New York, was the police.
Legally.
joe rogan
Right.
Legally.
Yeah.
That's where it gets real crazy, right?
Like, then it's like...
California is the opposite.
California, it's not that hard to get a gun.
You know, people would think that California would be way more liberal than New York, but in New York, it's very difficult to get a handgun.
donnell rawlings
You can get, like, a personal carry, not just for, like, if you have...
I know if you're a business, you carry a certain amount of money, you can get a gun.
In California, you can get it just by having a clean record?
joe rogan
Yeah, you can get it for your home.
Yeah.
Nevada has really interesting...
Well, excuse me, Arizona has real interesting...
donnell rawlings
Man, I motherfucker picked this up for a show one time.
His shit was out.
joe rogan
Yeah, Arizona, you could have it out.
Yeah, it's an open carry state.
donnell rawlings
That's an equalizer.
That shuts down road rage.
joe rogan
Arizona, yeah.
That's Arizona, right?
Yeah.
Wild West down there.
donnell rawlings
I know for sure.
I've seen a guy that was...
I had a gig out there.
He was not only our driver, but he was...
He had his shit right here.
joe rogan
Like Joe Exotic, right?
He's in Oklahoma.
He's always walking around with that.
They must have an open carry law there, too.
donnell rawlings
That's the funniest shit ever.
But it's so funny.
People connected with different personalities.
And I'm watching this shit like...
Like, this motherfucker's really crazy.
I was like, but he was probably the originator of trolling.
He was a marketing genius.
If you think about it, he was a marketing genius.
Every time you thought you had him, he knew how to flip it, but then he got like what most trolls do, they go too hard.
He turned into Tekashi69.
It's like, bro, you got enough followers, bro.
unidentified
Look at you.
donnell rawlings
Look at you.
Went too fucking hard.
joe rogan
And that's what it was.
And that lady went and got him.
donnell rawlings
Yep.
It didn't...
I guess he was so used to trying to win that eventually he lost by trying to win so hard.
joe rogan
Well, he was just great.
donnell rawlings
Yo, he was funny.
Curl fucking basket!
Yo, he was funny with that shit, son.
joe rogan
Hilarious.
donnell rawlings
It was very, very entertaining.
joe rogan
He obviously had a sick obsession with her, though.
It's cute when you're watching a documentary that doesn't affect you personally.
When you're watching seven episodes of this guy shooting a Carole Baskin dummy.
donnell rawlings
I don't think he had as much obsession with her as he had obsession with fame and people talking about him.
And he knew that she was the right person to keep talking about to give him the fame he wanted.
Maybe.
He knew his boys, everybody around him.
That ain't going to give him the headlines.
joe rogan
But I think it was also she was going after his business saying that she apparently has a different philosophy.
donnell rawlings
Sanctuary.
joe rogan
Yeah, what she does is different.
donnell rawlings
Saving them.
joe rogan
Yeah, and she's not into the cub petting.
donnell rawlings
Right.
joe rogan
There's a whole cub petting industry, apparently.
So she was reporting them on that, and his argument was like, what the fuck are you doing?
You're doing the same shit?
Yeah, they're not living any better.
donnell rawlings
They're all in cages, bitch!
joe rogan
Yeah, they're all in cages.
donnell rawlings
Right.
joe rogan
Anytime you're putting a big cat in a cage, you're doing the same thing.
You're treating it better in the cage so you have a holier-than-thou attitude.
It's crazy.
These things should be wild.
They should be loose in the wild.
And there should be a few of them, maybe, that are...
If there's a worry about extinction, a few of them that are isolated somewhere.
But to have it like that is fucking crazy.
donnell rawlings
They probably had similar...
They both had similar personality traits because they gave a fuck and didn't give a fuck at the same time.
Both of them shared some of that, but her shit came on the more peaceful side and his shit was of an aggressive nature.
joe rogan
Yeah, he was ridiculous.
donnell rawlings
You want my fucking what?
But that shit was funny.
I ain't gonna lie.
I don't like watching him blow shit up, bruh.
joe rogan
But look at him walking around with the knee brace on, the guns out, and the fucking permanent eyeliner.
I mean, he's right out of a movie, man.
donnell rawlings
No, when they showed a picture with him with his three husbands, I was like, this is movie worthy.
joe rogan
And they're both saying they're straight.
Oh, I'm straight.
donnell rawlings
You know you can do that right now, right, Joe?
You know that right now, right?
joe rogan
Straight guys can have gay sex.
donnell rawlings
This is what I've heard on the streets.
I ain't gonna say what streets.
This is what I'm saying.
I understand that.
This is what I heard on some outlets, right?
That you can suck a dick twice.
joe rogan
Three times?
donnell rawlings
No, no, no.
Three, then you would be gay.
joe rogan
Okay, twice.
donnell rawlings
You could suck a dick twice.
joe rogan
So first is a test, second is confirmation.
donnell rawlings
Yeah, I don't know.
Second was like, ah.
joe rogan
It's like you confirm your test.
It's like a double-blind, placebo-controlled dick-sucking study.
donnell rawlings
It is, but it's only two.
Like, the same process in the comedy club.
Two drink minimum.
Like, this is what I heard in those streets.
I don't know those streets, but you could do it.
And they got a new shit called Fluid.
joe rogan
Oh, Gender Fluid.
You go back and forth.
donnell rawlings
Gender Fluid means, like...
joe rogan
Is that sexual orientation fluid?
Or gender fluid would be you're a boy and a girl.
You go back and forth from being a boy and a girl.
donnell rawlings
Yeah, and it's like any party you go to, you win.
You know, it's like never a sausage party, not too many chicks.
You always fucking win.
It's all confusing.
joe rogan
Well, yeah, it is all confusing.
I don't know.
Do whatever you want.
donnell rawlings
That's all you can say.
joe rogan
Do whatever you want.
donnell rawlings
Do whatever you want to do.
joe rogan
It shouldn't be that big of a deal.
The problem is it's big of a deal for other people.
That's where it really becomes a problem, right?
If someone is anything, whether they're very masculine, very feminine, very gay, very straight, the problem is not what they're doing.
The problem is how other people think about what they're doing and whether or not they give them a hard time for it.
donnell rawlings
If they think it's wrong, it's not for you to judge if it's wrong or not.
joe rogan
Exactly.
That's where...
When it comes to religion, why do people focus?
That's a big one that I always get weirded out, particularly with Christians.
It's like, why do you care?
Because if you really want to focus on the Bible, there's so much shit in there that you're not supposed to be doing.
You're not supposed to eat shellfish.
You're not supposed to eat certain types of animals.
You're not supposed to wear two different types of cloth.
donnell rawlings
If you want to follow the old school Bible...
joe rogan
It's too crazy.
But why do they care about the gay part, though?
Why is that part...
It's a freedom issue.
It's very clear that those two guys, whether they're gay or straight, they wanted to suck Joe Exotic's dick.
Okay, that's why they were there.
donnell rawlings
I don't know if they wanted to.
You hanging around with tigers, they might have...
joe rogan
Maybe they did it because they like tigers, so they suck a dick, so they can hang out with tigers.
But for whatever reason, they decided that doing it was better than not doing it.
Particularly because both of them could have beat the fuck out of him any time they wanted to.
That one guy was gigantic.
The one young kid.
donnell rawlings
Like the model looking dude, right?
joe rogan
That kid was a gorilla.
He was fucking gigantic with huge ass hands.
He would have beat the shit out of that dude.
And the other guy with three teeth, he would have beat the shit out of him too.
donnell rawlings
Yeah, all of them would've beat the shit out of him, son.
joe rogan
He had three teeth.
donnell rawlings
Joe Price was like, that's why I like it.
Get right in that gap.
Yo, you ever had a toothless blowjob from a tattooed motherfucker?
You haven't lived!
joe rogan
A tattooed motherfucker with your name tattooed above his dick.
He was hypnotizing.
Right?
Didn't it say something like that?
What did it say?
donnell rawlings
But all those tiger motherfuckers was freaky in some kind of way.
Everyone that was attached to it.
joe rogan
They were all freaky.
But I, you know, I feel like...
It almost doesn't seem real.
The show's so crazy.
It's so crazy that a lot of people feel like it's played out, like people talk about it too much.
donnell rawlings
Yeah, because it's just him.
But the thing about it, when I say marketing, whatever, he knew everything we do, record that shit.
joe rogan
Is that the same guy, or is that a different one?
donnell rawlings
Nah, they look like they're doing...
joe rogan
See what the tattoo is?
donnell rawlings
That's like Halloween right there.
joe rogan
No, there's another one above his dick that he got covered up with a bull.
There it is, right there.
Bingo!
donnell rawlings
Charlamagne the Guard, right there!
Absolutely.
joe rogan
What does it say?
Privately owned?
Joe Exotic?
Privately owned.
Ew!
And look what he turned it into.
Scribbles and a bull.
He can still see the actual eye.
He decided to not totally cover it.
That's like indicative of his whole life.
donnell rawlings
Did you see the follow-up?
Did you see the follow-up they did?
And he was like, he was upset.
He said, yeah, the tattoo artist was a little offended because they didn't give him his prop.
He said the tattoo was fucked up.
Yo, the things they care about.
He's like, not the fact that I was blowing this dude.
Like, yeah, man.
Yeah, we didn't like the way that tattoo was tatted.
joe rogan
Well, that's where I got confused.
I thought that they were all on meth, right?
donnell rawlings
At some point.
joe rogan
But didn't that guy say that he hasn't done anything in like four years?
jamie vernon
Yeah, I think he said that wasn't from meth or something.
joe rogan
Okay.
Hey, it is what it is.
donnell rawlings
Maybe he just got hit by an animal.
joe rogan
That's true, too.
Like, a lot of hockey players have no fucking teeth.
donnell rawlings
But that's a badge of honor for hockey players.
They don't give a fuck.
They like, fuck that shit.
joe rogan
They like to take them out and show you.
donnell rawlings
In Canada, you see a motherfucker like that, you think he's a millionaire.
And fucking Ohio is like, that motherfucker's hitting that meth.
joe rogan
Have you ever seen the photograph of that old school hockey player who has all these scars all over his face?
donnell rawlings
No, I don't know.
joe rogan
Do you know what I'm talking about, Jamie?
It was a recreation of every scar this guy had ever had on his face over his career.
It's a famous photograph, and you could see these...
I mean, it looks like he's just been in a fucking box cutter fight.
His whole face is just butchered.
Yeah, because all they did was...
Look at this guy's face.
Yeah, that's it.
donnell rawlings
And what was it?
joe rogan
He was a hockey player.
jamie vernon
He was a goalie before they wear masks.
joe rogan
Bro.
donnell rawlings
That looked like one of them cosmetic surgery facilities in fucking LA. Dude, he was a goalie before they used fucking masks.
joe rogan
Look at his face.
donnell rawlings
Damn!
He was just straight face?
joe rogan
They would just take it in the mug, son.
Can you imagine a guy slapstick in one of those fucking hard-ass pucks?
How fast can they make those things go?
jamie vernon
Now they can make him go well over 100, 120, 30, 40. What?
donnell rawlings
Jesus crap.
jamie vernon
What?
joe rogan
Oh my god, really?
jamie vernon
I'll check fastest slap shot.
Yeah, I think it's even probably faster.
joe rogan
Have you seen that video of that dude who does that long drive with the golf club?
Do you know what I'm talking about?
There's this jack dude.
There's this really jack dude who hits his golf.
He's got this crazy step through Happy Madison or Happy Gilmore type stroke to it.
And he makes the ball fly.
You know, it's like one of those outdoor ranges.
It flies over the back net.
It's the most ridiculous thing I've ever seen in my life.
jamie vernon
Oh, you probably saw a clip of somebody hitting it out at the top shot golf thing.
Yeah, yeah, I've seen those before.
joe rogan
But you've seen that one guy who steps sideways?
He steps to it like Happy Gilmore.
donnell rawlings
Like he's about to kill it?
joe rogan
It's bonkers how far that thing flies.
I want to find out what that dude's name is.
jamie vernon
I don't even know anybody.
joe rogan
He looks like a baseball player.
He's a big dude.
He looks like a pro baseball player, but he holds the long distance world record for a golf ball drive.
Drove it the furthest.
So he holds the record.
Dude, it's the craziest shit I've ever seen in my life.
donnell rawlings
But I don't follow hockey like that.
I've been to one hockey match.
I was in New York.
I think it was the Rangers played somebody.
joe rogan
I've been to a couple.
They're fun.
It's wild in person.
On TV, there's a lot of things like that.
Stand-up is a good example.
There's a lot of things like that.
We see it on TV. It's like, yeah, it looks good.
But if you're there, you're like, oh, shit.
You watch people skate by and fly by.
donnell rawlings
Yeah, that's what was the interest for me.
I'm black.
You go to a hockey match.
You just want to see a fight.
You're like, this one, this shit.
You don't even know who's playing or who.
You're like, oh shit, he just fucked him up.
joe rogan
Dudes don't know how to fight now.
There's some hockey fights where you watch guys throw like crisp punches, like with technique, and you're like, oh Jesus.
donnell rawlings
You think they train for that?
joe rogan
Oh, 100%.
100%.
Yeah, you can fight.
It's the only sport where you can fight.
Like, look, do you practice hitting the puck?
Yeah, okay, we'll practice beating the fuck out of people because you do that too.
donnell rawlings
That's protection.
joe rogan
That's part of the game.
Part of the game is beating the fuck out of each other.
donnell rawlings
That's the highlight of the game.
joe rogan
It's the craziest game ever.
There's no other sport.
Just stop and think about that.
No other sport we could fight bare knuckle in the middle of an ice skating rink at a drop of a hat.
donnell rawlings
And continue to be friends at the end of that shit.
joe rogan
And the referees all let you do it.
They step back.
donnell rawlings
Yeah, they never keep talking to...
They never like, fuck you, I'm gonna see you tomorrow.
It's like, bop, bop, I got it.
joe rogan
There's some videos of dudes getting flatlined, though.
It's different than it was back in the day.
Because back in the day, they were tough guys who knew how to skate and could maybe fight a little bit.
And so they'd grab each other's fucking...
their jackets or grab their clothes and they'd be punching each other and slamming...
Moving all the places.
Now dudes are hitting guys with hip throws and slamming them onto the ice and knocking them unconscious.
I've seen a dude hit a guy with a perfect counter right hand.
A dude swung at him, he backed up like this to right there, let it pass.
BAP! Just hit him like, oh, that guy can fight!
That's a guy with real skills.
donnell rawlings
That's a smart motherfucker.
joe rogan
Yeah, he just stood right in front of the guy, let the guy throw a punch, and then BOOM! Countered him.
donnell rawlings
I couldn't even imagine having that...
You know you might have to fight to balance yourself on skates.
I wonder how you compare the athleticism.
joe rogan
This guy, this guy.
jamie vernon
He jacks it.
He didn't even really run up to it.
He's called the swing man.
joe rogan
What I'm saying, he doesn't run up to it, but he picks his leg up.
Watch his move.
See that?
donnell rawlings
Boom!
joe rogan
There's a bunch of videos of him.
jamie vernon
106 miles an hour for the fastest slap shot.
joe rogan
That's insane.
That's so fast with that puck.
106 miles an hour, that puck hits you in the face.
donnell rawlings
Some people can pitch that fast too, right?
joe rogan
I don't know what the world record of pitch is.
What's the world record pitch?
jamie vernon
Aldous Chapman.
joe rogan
I'm gonna guess.
I'm gonna guess 111. Is that ridiculous?
jamie vernon
105, yeah.
Aldous Chapman.
joe rogan
Damn.
donnell rawlings
That's funny.
How do you hit that?
This motherfucker's gonna be connecting with that shit.
jamie vernon
You do not.
donnell rawlings
You don't hit that, right?
joe rogan
How many times can they throw that fast?
That's the thing.
jamie vernon
He can do it a couple times in a row.
I think he burns his arm out pretty fast.
joe rogan
I would imagine.
How could you not burn your arm out?
Think of how much explosion is involved in this.
unidentified
God damn!
donnell rawlings
That was a blink of an eye.
joe rogan
It's interesting the mechanics of when you watch a real amazing pitcher.
There's this crazy body torque going on.
Look at this.
Whip!
There's so much in that, man.
There's so much mechanical movement and leverage in your legs and your back and coordinating.
donnell rawlings
Is that recent?
jamie vernon
It's like within the last 10 years.
It was about nine years ago.
joe rogan
Did you ever see this video of the bird that's flying by right when the pitch comes at it?
donnell rawlings
And they caught it in slow motion.
joe rogan
The bird explodes.
donnell rawlings
That's fucking crazy.
joe rogan
Was it Randy...
jamie vernon
Randy Johnson, yeah.
joe rogan
Yeah, that's right.
donnell rawlings
Oh yeah, Randy Johnson, the Rocket.
He used to tear shit up.
He was exciting.
I don't know, during his era, people were excited because all on the news...
joe rogan
Watch this, watch this.
donnell rawlings
Damn.
joe rogan
He hit the bird right in mid-flight and the bird exploded.
Imagine the end for that bird.
He'd be like, how the fuck?
Look at the world has a plan.
Here's your plan, birdie.
Booyakasha.
donnell rawlings
Oh!
joe rogan
Yeah.
unidentified
That bird got leveled, man.
donnell rawlings
That's fucking crazy.
No ceremony, no nothing.
joe rogan
No, that bird's dead as fuck.
Can you imagine?
I mean, that dude's throwing 100 miles an hour, right?
Or 90s.
donnell rawlings
That's the ultimate something told me not to turn right there.
unidentified
What's that?
donnell rawlings
Oh, another one?
jamie vernon
Oh, no, it just went right by it, I guess.
joe rogan
Oh, wow.
Bird got lucky.
jamie vernon
I didn't know that happened again.
unidentified
Damn!
joe rogan
No, that's the Randy Johnson one.
jamie vernon
There's a couple of birds.
This is a one-minute video of Bird getting hit.
joe rogan
Look at his mechanics.
Go back to that video again, the part where Randy Johnson...
Look at the mechanics of how he throws his body into that pitch.
Look at this.
You step off.
It's like a little coordinated movement.
donnell rawlings
It didn't matter what city you were in.
joe rogan
All that torque and leverage.
He was 6'11?
He was that big?
unidentified
Just think about all that leverage, man.
jamie vernon
Plus he can reach almost a foot closer, if not more than that, than any other pitcher.
So he's literally releasing it at a closer distance than anybody else.
So less time.
joe rogan
That's true.
That's a good way to look at it.
That leverage is interesting, man.
Because it has such a huge factor in some sports.
donnell rawlings
You ever throw a pitch out?
joe rogan
No way.
donnell rawlings
I don't want to hurt my shoulder.
It's just like, and your ego, because they had one shot of 50 Cent throwing the pitch out, and he looked so gay doing it.
It was funny as shit.
I think he probably had that deleted from the internet.
jamie vernon
I just saw this yesterday.
I don't know why it was coming around, but it was Bo Jackson throwing somebody out flat-footed from the outfield.
Sorry, it's not this one, but it's his next one, official.
joe rogan
Dude, Bo Jackson was one of the freakiest athletes of all time.
jamie vernon
His arm was so crazy.
joe rogan
Everything was crazy.
If he didn't get hurt in that football game, look at this, jumps off the wall so he avoids all the impact, literally just ran up the wall.
donnell rawlings
Yeah, Bo knew everything.
joe rogan
He's a very interesting guy, man.
What was it, baseball, football?
donnell rawlings
That was just two sports, right?
joe rogan
Played two sports, but world class at both sports.
It wasn't until the football injury that he had to get a hip replacement.
donnell rawlings
You know, growing up, he was the first person you picked.
Like, I got this motherfucker on what sport?
joe rogan
Everything.
Anything and everything.
There's certain dudes that just have the perfect build, the perfect genetics, and then work ethic.
Another one is a Herschel Walker.
Like, Herschel Walker.
donnell rawlings
His knees are destroyed down here.
joe rogan
How could they not be?
How could they not be?
donnell rawlings
Yeah, they say he can barely walk now.
joe rogan
He'll still fuck you up.
Herschel Walker, he was fucking people up in Strike Force when he was in his late 40s.
donnell rawlings
I was thinking of Earl Campbell.
That's the one that's like really, really bad with his knees.
joe rogan
I don't think Herschel Walker has bad knees.
He was fighting almost until he was 50. He was fighting in Strike Force.
A lot of people don't know that.
Yeah, Herschel Walker at...
48, 49, whatever he was when he was fighting, looked like a 30-year-old perfect specimen of an athlete.
He didn't look like an older athlete that's doing something different, like trying to fight.
It looks like he's fucking world-class, ripped, full six-pack, super jacked, still has the same discipline.
donnell rawlings
At 40?
joe rogan
What is his age there?
unidentified
What does it say?
I said 48. 48. Look at the build.
donnell rawlings
Yes!
joe rogan
Yes!
Dude, look at the build on this fucking guy.
And he destroyed this dude in Strikeforce.
He beat a few guys.
He was undefeated in MMA. And the way he would beat these guys was just, first of all, he had a long martial arts background.
Like, he'd done martial arts before.
donnell rawlings
I never know any of this.
joe rogan
But he's got such a crazy disciplined work ethic that his body is still in pristine shape in his late 40s.
Now, I don't know if he's taking hormones or anything here.
Either way, the way this guy looked in his 40s and the way he was competing, it didn't make sense.
donnell rawlings
Yes, everything about him.
Yeah, that's crazy.
joe rogan
That guy would do push-ups and sit-ups and bodyweight squats and shit over weightlifting.
That was like his big thing, was that he did mostly calisthenics.
donnell rawlings
I had no idea that he ever did that.
joe rogan
Dude, Herschel Walker was a freak athlete.
donnell rawlings
That's crazy.
See, that's why I say you know everything, that motherfucker.
joe rogan
Dude, that's the thing.
When he started fighting, people were like, oh, you know, he's like a guy who still wants to compete, who used to be world class or something.
He probably won't be good at fighting.
He's fucking people up, man.
I mean, look at that.
donnell rawlings
When me just looking at it, it didn't look like it was just like a show.
No, no, no.
joe rogan
No, he looks like a professional mixed martial arts fighter.
I wouldn't say he looked like the best in the world, but he was professional.
And he even went to one of the best gyms in the world.
He went to AKA. A.K.A. is in San Jose.
It's one of the best mixed martial arts.
Cain Velasquez, Daniel Cormier, John Fitch, Josh Koscheck.
We can go down the list.
A lot of great fighters came out of there.
Yeah, it's a great gym.
And they have been training world-class fighters forever.
So he went to the lion's den.
Kameeb Nurmagomedov trains there.
Mike Swick trained there.
I mean, it's a lion's den.
unidentified
He went to the comedy store.
joe rogan
He went right in there.
Look at that!
Look at that build!
Come on, man!
Who the fuck looks like that in their late 40s and does professional cage fighting after a long career in the NFL? I mean, Marshall Walker's something special, man.
He was something special.
donnell rawlings
I had no idea.
joe rogan
Oh my god.
Dude, and I'm telling you, every fight was like this.
Every fight was like a man versus boys.
donnell rawlings
You watched the fights?
joe rogan
I watched them all.
donnell rawlings
Of course you did.
joe rogan
I watched everything.
donnell rawlings
Yeah, that's a dumb question.
joe rogan
I watched a lot of shit.
donnell rawlings
I know, like a lot of shit.
You read a lot of audiobooks too.
joe rogan
I do.
donnell rawlings
You read a lot of audiobooks.
joe rogan
I read a lot of audiobooks.
donnell rawlings
That's all I want to say.
You read a lot of audiobooks, bro.
joe rogan
I mostly read articles, but I get my books.
I consume my books in audio form because I can do other shit.
Like, I can go on a walk.
I can walk my dog and listen to a book.
donnell rawlings
When I was talking to the person that helped me with the candle, and I got the fact about the whale shit, I was like, this motherfucker, It's going to be all over that shit.
Ambergris?
I knew it!
I was like, this is right up his sperm whale's...
joe rogan
Isn't it crazy that it's just to dissolve beaks?
That's what...
I mean, like, pearls, right?
That's just like a coating that an oyster puts over a rock or something that's inside its mouth.
Isn't that what it is?
It gets irritated and it creates this coating and puts it over it and it becomes super value to us.
donnell rawlings
How long?
But that's over...
Well, it can't be a long time because oysters don't live.
What's the time period to be able to develop a fucking pearl?
joe rogan
Let's just guess.
This is a total guess.
How long do you think an oyster stays alive, if you had to guess?
How old does an oyster get?
donnell rawlings
I'll say 15 years.
joe rogan
Wow, I was going to say three.
donnell rawlings
I would love to know the answer to this.
joe rogan
I wonder if they know.
donnell rawlings
If they're about to be pearled up?
joe rogan
I think they don't know how old sharks get.
jamie vernon
Well, it takes two to four years for it to form the pearl.
But they live anywhere from two to 41 years.
joe rogan
41 years for an oyster?
jamie vernon
I was the closest, Joe.
donnell rawlings
Joe.
joe rogan
No, I was closest.
donnell rawlings
No, you said two.
joe rogan
I said two.
It's two, I'm right.
donnell rawlings
I said 17. I said three.
joe rogan
I'm one away.
donnell rawlings
No man, fuck that!
I won!
I just want to win something!
jamie vernon
It doesn't seem consistent.
joe rogan
2 to 41!
Sometimes babies die when they're one day old.
How old do people live?
2 to 41. But I was closer.
Okay, I'll give it to you.
donnell rawlings
I was closer to the life expectancy.
I feel so proud about that.
joe rogan
I thought it was like an octopus.
Because octopus is real quick, right?
Octopus are real smart, but I think they have a very short lifespan.
I think octopus is less than 10 years.
donnell rawlings
I heard they had the brain of a human.
joe rogan
They're fucking clever.
They're clever and they're mean as shit.
donnell rawlings
And they're smart.
joe rogan
Yeah, they're like an evil alien.
That's what they are.
jamie vernon
They're in the same family.
joe rogan
Molluscs?
jamie vernon
Yeah, yeah, yeah.
So like that's why it's similar.
joe rogan
Is a crustacean the same as a mollusk?
jamie vernon
They're related, so they're not like the same same.
joe rogan
Is a shellfish a crustacean?
Because a crab is a crustacean, right?
I just like saying big words.
jamie vernon
They are all mollusks.
donnell rawlings
I like crustacean.
unidentified
I'll say that.
I know.
donnell rawlings
I'm like, you just threw that motherfucker.
What's that restaurant?
Crab crustacean?
That's the only time I use that word.
jamie vernon
Oysters are bivalve and octopus is like a gastropod or cephalopod.
donnell rawlings
Yeah, I was going to say.
unidentified
Cephalopod.
joe rogan
That's right.
What is the life expectancy of an octopus?
donnell rawlings
What's a cephalopod?
jamie vernon
It's like two to four years depending on, yeah.
We've looked that up before.
joe rogan
Right, okay.
Yeah, we have.
Two to four years is nothing for something that's smart.
That's what's so weird.
Imagine you're born...
donnell rawlings
They're not that smart.
They can't live longer than that.
Motherfucking duck.
joe rogan
They don't have any tools.
There's no doctors under there.
They do grow their limbs back.
And when males and females breed, sometimes the female just decides to kill the male and eat it.
Females are larger.
donnell rawlings
Habits quarantine.
That's coming out of quarantine, motherfucker.
If we make this all your limbs, we're going to eat that shit.
joe rogan
A male's octopus, his dick, is also his limbs.
What does it say?
The largest bivalve is the giant clam, which reaches a length of four feet and weighs 500 pounds.
Holy shit.
Holy shit.
Did you know that?
A four-foot clam that weighs 500 pounds?
That's crazy.
That's like the Little Mermaid lives in there.
donnell rawlings
Is it part of a menu?
I mean, do people eat it?
joe rogan
Oh, we should eat the fuck out of that thing.
At least 500 years old.
It's also the oldest known animal.
It can live to 500 years old.
jamie vernon
Two to five hundred years, I guess.
donnell rawlings
Yo, I was the closest kid.
No, I didn't even take a guess on that one.
That's crazy.
joe rogan
That's crazy.
Octopus's dick is also its tentacles, and sometimes it has to give up its dick.
It'll let an arm separate so that the female doesn't eat it.
Because females would just jack them.
donnell rawlings
Eat the dick?
joe rogan
Well, they eat the arm.
They'll take his dick, which is also his arm.
They'll take one of his tentacles and they'll eat that.
And it's almost like he's like, here, eat my arm.
And he grows back.
Dude, it's the craziest shit ever.
There's a lot of videos of it.
Female octopuses just jack male octopuses and kill them and eat them.
donnell rawlings
For the dick or the arm?
You don't know.
joe rogan
Their whole body is the same thing.
donnell rawlings
That's fucking crazy.
joe rogan
And they stuff them.
They stuff them into holes in the reef and just peck away at them for days.
donnell rawlings
Yo, why do you sell as much as that way?
You got more excited about more and more and more.
joe rogan
I'm fascinated by that shit.
donnell rawlings
You're fascinated about every goddamn thing.
joe rogan
But this is something to be fascinated by, because this is a living thing that we can...
Look, if we found this on another planet, we'd be freaking the fuck out.
If they sent one of those...
probes, those like Mars probes to another planet and they found this just laying in an ocean somewhere and they studied this.
This is the life form on this planet that's dominant.
And sometimes the females, which are super intelligent, sometimes they just kill the males and eat them.
That's what this guy's doing.
This girl, rather, is killing this guy.
She's killing him right now.
She's strangling him and biting him and slowly eating him.
donnell rawlings
The fact that you can do a play-by-play That might have been one of the most impressive things I've seen.
joe rogan
They're mean.
donnell rawlings
Of octopus getting eaten up by his wife.
joe rogan
They're smart and mean.
They don't live very long.
donnell rawlings
They taste good too.
joe rogan
They taste real good.
But they're smart.
donnell rawlings
Calamari all day.
joe rogan
That's squid.
I don't think they're as smart.
I don't think squid are that smart.
Are they smart?
Who's smarter?
Octopus.
jamie vernon
Yeah, they change color and stuff.
joe rogan
Oh, that's true.
What is the other one that does?
Cuttlefish.
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That's the little fat ones that blow up?
joe rogan
No, that's a puffer.
Yeah, cuttlefish is like this weird thing that's like, it's not quite a squid, it's not quite an octopus, but it looks a lot like them.
It's a similar thing, and it can change colors, and they're freaky.
That's what it looks like.
That thing's freaky.
Get a video.
See if there's a video that you can see.
donnell rawlings
See, I'm not into this weird.
joe rogan
Dude, these things, just do cuttlefish camouflage.
Dude, they look exactly like their surrounding and they just jack things like that.
So they blend in perfectly with the environment, even the texture.
They can look like coral.
Look at that.
donnell rawlings
Damn!
joe rogan
They can look like the rocks on the bottom.
They look like all kinds of different things.
And they can change really quickly to blend in with whatever the background is.
They're freaky, man.
donnell rawlings
That's crazy.
joe rogan
They're really freaky.
donnell rawlings
What do they taste like?
At the end of anything, what the fuck do they taste like?
joe rogan
I think they taste...
People eat them.
I know that.
donnell rawlings
People eat anything.
joe rogan
They eat cuttlefish.
I think it's like a luxury fish.
It's like...
I think it's highly sought after in some ethnic cookings, right?
Like Asian-style cookings.
I know I've had it.
I know I've had it.
jamie vernon
Cuttlefish cooking tips.
joe rogan
Yeah.
donnell rawlings
I don't know.
Well, you do elk, so cuttlefish is not...
You can't be far from that.
joe rogan
You've had octopus.
You've had squid.
There's not that much difference.
donnell rawlings
I know.
You can sell me on it because I try different things, but certain places you go, you're a distant chick with a sloppy mouth.
joe rogan
Yeah, people love that.
That's cuttlefish she's chowing down on?
Dude, that looks good as fuck.
That looks real good.
It looks weird.
It looks like an alien thing.
donnell rawlings
Yeah, I could do that.
joe rogan
Tastes just like squid, she says.
If you saw that on another planet, if they found an animal underwater on another planet that could change color and blend in with its environment, they don't even know how the fuck it does that.
They don't know how they do that.
They watch them do that, and they try to figure out how the fuck this thing instantly mimics the texture of coral and blends right in.
donnell rawlings
But that's years of evolution, right?
joe rogan
Oh, for sure.
But, I mean, it's beyond...
What anything else on this planet can do.
You look at what we can do.
We can't do shit.
donnell rawlings
We can't blend in.
joe rogan
We reproduce.
donnell rawlings
And the act of that is the simplest thing you can do in your life.
joe rogan
The act of reproduction?
donnell rawlings
Oh my, it's a, oh!
And next thing you know, nine months later, you're responsible for something.
joe rogan
True, yeah.
And it's your body's programmed to want that more than anything.
donnell rawlings
To reproduce or the sex?
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To get the sex.
donnell rawlings
Oh yeah.
joe rogan
Your body's programmed for that.
donnell rawlings
And to reproduce though, ultimately.
joe rogan
That's what's crazy about...
donnell rawlings
So that's what somebody could say.
Somebody cheated.
They was like, I was just feeding my need to reproduce.
You can't say I was just being unfaithful?
joe rogan
I don't think that's going to fly.
donnell rawlings
Okay.
joe rogan
But it's amazing that so much of our society is based on sexual desire, right?
It really is just a call to reproduce.
Like a girl's ass and a girl with big tits and small waist, like you see that.
It's like a program that runs in the brain that gets the body saying, oh, you need to make a baby.
donnell rawlings
It used to until COVID-19.
That shit's slow.
Yeah, but it is something.
And then that becomes, get to a mental part too.
That happens with women and guys.
You know what I'm saying?
joe rogan
People should meet up for dates and get tested.
Once they get testing everywhere, people should meet up for dates, get tested, and then go out.
It'd be kind of a fun little thing to do.
donnell rawlings
Yeah, it would be.
I'm going to tell you, it's going to go back to that second wave.
joe rogan
Yeah.
donnell rawlings
Somebody's going to slip through.
Somebody's like, you know, it's like...
joe rogan
I wish I knew if that's the case.
I don't know.
I don't know.
donnell rawlings
This situation, man, this situation, it's going to change for so much shit, bro.
The way people think about so much things.
And it's going to, you know, ultimately, it'll make us better people or a better place.
joe rogan
It'll change a lot.
But we're still very fortunate.
And we should just use this time to make a better situation for ourselves.
We can do that.
donnell rawlings
I say that to people.
I was like...
It's easy to get down.
It's easy to have an excuse why you don't want to do something, or you could challenge it, and that's what it is.
joe rogan
The real problem is people with families that lost their job.
That's the real problem, being able to put food on the table, people being able to, you know, they want to get their business back up.
How can they possibly make a living again?
It's not like anything else where people lost their business.
They didn't make any bad mistakes.
You know, if a person makes a bunch of bad mistakes and they lose their business, they kind of at least know what happened.
But when all of a sudden, if you've been working hard your whole life and you have a successful business and then boom, the floor falls out in a month.
donnell rawlings
Yeah, but then I will say Trump, I mean, what I get from Trump and them that they have been or trying to be as aggressive with keeping small businesses alive more than anything.
joe rogan
Yeah, and that's a good move.
It's very important.
Restaurants, small businesses, but, you know, there was a thing today in, I think it was the Washington Post, where they were talking about how they're already out of that money that they deemed for small business loans.
They already ran out.
donnell rawlings
This was recently because I know they went back for more money.
joe rogan
It was today.
I was reading something today.
I don't know what paper it was, but they were, was it Washington Post?
All of them, all of them.
And it was basically saying that They need to figure out how to keep doing this.
If we're going to social distance, particularly in California, the idea is May 19th now?
Or May 15th?
Is that what it is?
May 15th, I think?
jamie vernon
Yeah.
joe rogan
And how are they going to start it back up?
And what are they going to do to start it back up?
And what are people going to be like?
How long is it going to take before everybody settles back in again?
They don't really know.
donnell rawlings
But it feels like if they ease it up, that's going to be more for, like you say, people that work, right?
That's where the issue would come in, is how people are going to feel comfortable going to work.
joe rogan
Right.
We were talking about guys who work at grocery stores, right?
You used to work at a grocery store.
It was just a job.
Now it's a job that could kill you.
Like, what?
It doesn't even pay that well.
Imagine a job that doesn't pay that well that could kill you.
Yeah, so imagine being there right now and dealing with these people coughing and walking back and forth everywhere you look.
All these new people.
You're being constantly exposed to these people's air.
And it used to just be a regular job.
Now all of a sudden it's a regular job that might get you so sick you could die.
Like, fuck!
donnell rawlings
That's why they're about to be...
You gotta fucking raise that minimum wage now.
Watch, that's gonna probably happen.
I guarantee that'll probably happen.
joe rogan
This is what we're realizing in all of this, is that if you do have a crisis, this is the good thing.
The vast majority of people comply with what's needed to, you know, stay home, just go to the supermarket, do essential things, come back.
Just stay home.
Let's just let this shit die off.
Let the people that have it right now, let them get to a point where they're not transmitting it to anybody else anymore.
Everybody stay away from each other and let's just nip this shit in the bud.
And the way you look at it in terms of different philosophies and different places that have done it, some places have not been so aggressive and they've experienced a lot of cases, and you could say, well, yeah, but those people, it's going to go through their immune system quicker and they'll be able to go back to work quicker.
I don't know.
I don't know.
But I do know that California has a very low number of deaths, in particular, and a low number of—it's a low number of people that have gotten gravely ill in comparison to the size of the state, like if you compare it to New York, which is a very high number of people that got ill.
donnell rawlings
But you came to New York, the population of 5, like 5.5 million in Brooklyn alone.
joe rogan
And everyone's on top of the state.
donnell rawlings
And everybody's like, why are they so shocked that it's an epic epicenter?
It's because everybody's there and everybody lives up in the sky.
joe rogan
It's all about, like, when do you jump?
Like, when do you make a move?
And California made a move a little bit quicker.
You know, and that's really what it is.
Like, who acts the quickest?
donnell rawlings
And you gotta do...
And I do understand, like, the tough mandates because...
You have to lay it down because people will be easy and lax with it.
joe rogan
They are, but there's also people that are getting too much of a kick out of telling people what to do.
They're kicking people out of parks when it's like a family of three and there's no one else in the park.
Come on.
Relax.
There's no one here.
If you're there and there's no one else there, leave the fucking people alone.
Let them enjoy the park.
Now, if other people come and they get too close to each other, then step in and stop them.
donnell rawlings
But if they do it like that, then there's always going to be somebody who's going to try to push it.
So I can kind of understand how they'll be like, fuck it, nobody.
I mean, I took my son for a walk the other day, and he doesn't really know what's going on, but he knows what's going on.
And he was on this little scooter, right?
And I'm like, he was just happy to be out, right?
And he had his mask, and I was like, is that the future?
You know, that little mask?
I'm like...
joe rogan
We're gonna get so weird with each other.
I mean, if you wanted a formula, right?
If you wanted to be a real conspiracy theorist and you wanted a formula to get people to more easily Be separated and more easily give in to the future of machines taking over the world.
This is what you do.
You give them a fucking disease where they can't even be human anymore.
They can't hug each other.
They can't kiss.
They can't even get close because they're worried they're going to get a disease that's going to kill them.
So what do you make them do on top of that?
You make them wear a mask.
So now they can't even see each other's facial expressions.
You can't even look a person in the eye.
You just see like a You see the eyes only.
donnell rawlings
Yeah, but something is going to make, I understand what you're saying, but something is going to make those people feel more comfortable.
It's quicker testing with quicker results, a vaccine.
I don't know how long it's going to take to get there, but something is going to give people a vote of confidence.
And that's going to be with those numbers of, like, people want excited about, like, what is it called?
Flattened out.
They're like, oh, shit.
joe rogan
Flatten the curve.
donnell rawlings
Yeah, flatten the curve.
It's going to be something to give people more confidence.
And then when people have more confidence, some people are going to push it, right?
And some people are going to be, like we say, it's going to be the new normal.
They're going to be taking extra precautions.
I don't know the next time I'll do a meet and greet.
joe rogan
Right.
donnell rawlings
A meet and greet?
That part of, pretty much, that part of our business is going to be gone for some time.
joe rogan
For sure.
Do you remember that spring break footage of those kids?
They caught down in Mexico?
donnell rawlings
Yeah.
joe rogan
Going crazy?
Or was it Florida?
donnell rawlings
It was Florida.
joe rogan
Florida.
Might as well be Mexico.
Florida's not America.
So they're down there going crazy.
That's true.
donnell rawlings
All the crazy shit happens in Florida.
joe rogan
That is not America.
So they go down there.
I mean, if you're from Florida, relax.
I'm joking.
donnell rawlings
They're not going to relax.
joe rogan
Relax.
donnell rawlings
They're going to be at 459. My sister lives in Florida.
459. This is when Donnell said, they'll blame it on me.
459, Donnell said he hated Florida.
Get him!
joe rogan
Those kids, watching those kids on the beach, because there was no laws.
There was no law yet.
donnell rawlings
And they moved slow, and they were like the last state.
joe rogan
Florida just said that professional wrestling is an essential business.
donnell rawlings
Really?
That is hilarious.
joe rogan
That's true, right?
What is the exact statement?
Because it sounds so ridiculous, I don't want to fuck this up.
jamie vernon
Yeah, they said they rushed to judgment, I think.
They might have just re-evaluated things.
joe rogan
Oh, did they re-evaluate it now?
jamie vernon
No, no, originally.
joe rogan
Originally?
jamie vernon
Yeah, yeah.
joe rogan
Oh.
jamie vernon
They're going to be taping this weekend.
donnell rawlings
But if a show, if a show, let's say a show that gives people jobs and is produced, it's creating jobs for other people, couldn't that be considered an essential job to the people that work there?
joe rogan
Yes.
So every job is essential then.
donnell rawlings
That's what I was trying to say.
joe rogan
Yeah, the WWE is now considered essential service in Florida.
It's a service.
Officials in the state permitted employees of professional sports and media production with a national audience to hold an event if it is closed to the public.
Yeah, I think you should be able to.
If you test everybody and everybody's negative, like again, test takes 15 minutes.
And apparently they're working on ones that work a lot quicker.
donnell rawlings
And I say that, Joe.
I say that's when it's going to shift.
Like I say, people getting somewhat...
A little bit of a vote of confidence when you know that you could get results rapid.
joe rogan
Yeah, I want to know if they made it in a lab or if it came out of a lab.
donnell rawlings
Somebody's making it in there.
They've got to get everything.
joe rogan
It's got to get approved.
No, I mean the virus itself.
The big theory is not just that they— Not even that they made it in a lab.
That's not what they think.
What they do think is it escaped from a lab and that this was something that they were working on in this lab with the very same type of bats they were working on in this lab.
This is reported by none other than Fox News.
donnell rawlings
I believe.
joe rogan
They have a lab there.
They're working on bats.
Are they working on viruses?
And it came from the very area?
It's not impossible.
To pretend it's impossible seems a little crazy for me.
donnell rawlings
That bat, I heard...
joe rogan
It might be.
donnell rawlings
My bat story was a...
Somebody, my story was bat and a snake was involved with it some kind of way.
joe rogan
There's a pangolin.
People thought that it was a, that bats, like, this is what someone told me, that bats transferred over to pangolins, which is this weird fucking armadillo looking creature.
donnell rawlings
I know you're talking about the little funny looking.
joe rogan
Weird thing.
donnell rawlings
Yeah, I know you're talking about it.
joe rogan
Like a dinosaur looking thing.
donnell rawlings
Yeah.
joe rogan
And that somehow or another that got to people.
But then they thought it was a lady who was patient zero who worked next to a stand that was selling bats.
But this article claims that the wet market, the whole reason why that story got out, it was a cover story for the fact that it escaped from their lab.
But of course, that sounds so much like a plot in a movie.
You read it and you go, wow, it's almost too attractive.
jamie vernon
Every other news reporting like CNN, NBC, it says that the U.S. officials are now looking into that unverified theory pushed By Fox News?
Yesterday.
It doesn't say Fox News.
donnell rawlings
It says conservatives including President Trump.
Plot in a movie.
This whole thing feels like a fucking movie.
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100%.
joe rogan
100%.
donnell rawlings
Like a movie.
Like to see Times Square?
joe rogan
Yeah.
donnell rawlings
With nobody?
joe rogan
Nobody.
Yeah.
donnell rawlings
Nobody?
joe rogan
My friend John Joseph took a run across the Brooklyn Bridge today and took a picture of him standing on top of the Brooklyn Bridge on his Instagram.
And behind him, it's just empty.
Like I Am Legend shit.
donnell rawlings
Yeah, it's crazy.
joe rogan
There's like a couple people in the background.
You can see them way far in the background.
But a normal day on the Brooklyn Bridge where people walk...
donnell rawlings
You get hit trying to...
Yeah.
I believe that it's going to...
My belief may not mean too much to anybody, but...
joe rogan
It has to start back up again.
When is the big question, and what is it going to be like?
I hope people just keep it together.
donnell rawlings
I think it's going to be a continuation of...
I think it's going to be a continuation of what's going on down now, going on right now with the social distancing and stuff.
But it's just like businesses aren't opening.
But this is going to be six foot.
It's going to be six feet mask and everything for a while.
You can believe that shit.
joe rogan
For a while.
donnell rawlings
Yeah.
joe rogan
Imagine the people that were already germ freaks.
Right?
donnell rawlings
Neil Brennan.
I was like, I said Neil Brennan.
joe rogan
Neil Brennan's a germ freak?
donnell rawlings
Neil Brennan and white people knew.
Neil Brennan and white podcasters knew that this was going to happen, Joe.
They knew.
They knew it was going to be a point where we're not going to go on a roll.
We'll be good.
And Neil Brennan is a germ folk.
And I laughed at him.
I even called him gay for fist bumping everybody.
He knew.
joe rogan
He did it way, way ago.
I never thought this was happening.
donnell rawlings
You knew it could happen, though.
Somewhere in your imagination, I know...
There was a scenario or a story.
If anybody would have been like, what if?
I think you've seen this movie in your brain.
joe rogan
I've seen a bunch of movies in my brain.
That's what bothers me.
What bothers me is complacency.
I think it's real easy for people to just keep on keeping on.
And I think if you look at...
A lot of the problems that we have in our culture are from poor decision-making, and where people choose comfort over doing a smarter thing that's harder to do that's gonna help your life more.
donnell rawlings
Easy role.
joe rogan
Yeah, it's real, real, real, real, real, real, real, real, real common with people.
It's part of you.
It's part of me.
I have it in my...
We all have it.
We all fight it, right?
This is making you realize What's really important?
donnell rawlings
100%!
joe rogan
This is when you can realize, like, oh, me losing weight is not about me looking good.
It's about me staying alive.
Like, it might be the difference between me dying from this shit or skating through it.
donnell rawlings
It makes you...
And then it makes you...
Think about it when we weren't thinking about it at all.
joe rogan
Exactly.
donnell rawlings
We weren't thinking about it.
Think about it.
I've seen motherfuckers.
You go to a motherfuckers airport, motherfuckers, you know how to quick piss in and out or whatever.
You got motherfuckers just like, come right out the joint.
Don't wash your hands or anything.
joe rogan
Clearly.
donnell rawlings
I didn't even think.
I know about washing hands or whatever, but I didn't know that hand sanitizer was that gangster.
Yo, I thought people would have hand sanitizers that was gay.
Like, alright, you all Mr. O'Germopho.
But then you realize those precautions moving forward, those are going to help us.
joe rogan
Yeah, you got to understand that every surface that you touch has been touched by a bunch of other people.
It has the potential to have something on it.
And that's just how it is.
It doesn't mean you shouldn't touch things anymore.
Just be real careful what you do with your face afterwards.
Don't touch your face.
donnell rawlings
You take for granted.
It's easy.
It's easy just to be like, hey, what's up?
I know that.
joe rogan
But the other thing is, the stuff that you get in contact with, your immune system gets stronger when you're in contact with more things.
Like kids, particularly when they're young, they say, you know, they used to have, what were they called?
Chicken pox parties?
donnell rawlings
Yeah, we had chicken pox parties.
I was telling somebody about it.
I didn't know white people did that too.
joe rogan
Apparently.
I read about it.
I think it's just a common thing that Americans did back before they gave kids vaccines for it.
donnell rawlings
Once you got chicken pox, it was about to be a sleepover.
And everybody get it one time.
joe rogan
Get it out of the way.
donnell rawlings
I was just talking to somebody about it the other day.
joe rogan
Apparently it's real bad when you get it when you're an adult.
donnell rawlings
Yeah?
joe rogan
Not good.
Yeah, same with the measles.
Well, measles kills kids, too.
donnell rawlings
But if you hear an adult with chicken pops, you're like, where the fuck did you go, motherfucker?
joe rogan
Where have you been?
donnell rawlings
Chicken pops, motherfucker!
joe rogan
And by the way, how do you not get vaccinated for that by this time?
Dude, there's a chickenpox vaccine, right?
I had it when I was a kid.
donnell rawlings
You can tell that old motherfucker's got that shit right there.
That little...
joe rogan
Yeah.
But that's also...
Is that chickenpox?
That one?
Or is that...
I think that's smallpox, too.
I think it's measles.
There's a bunch of vaccinations.
Our vaccinations scarred us up when we were kids.
I had one in my arm my whole life.
I had this weird scar on the top of my shoulder.
donnell rawlings
It's an old school scar.
A chick would look at you like, oh, you got one of those?
joe rogan
Old school.
jamie vernon
It was 1995, the vaccine, Varicella.
Before that, there were 4 million cases a year.
That's crazy.
joe rogan
That's crazy.
donnell rawlings
Who's going to be...
There's going to be a comedy club that says, fuck it.
joe rogan
Let's get opening.
Someone's going to do it.
donnell rawlings
Somebody's going to do it.
joe rogan
You just have to make people sign waivers.
Say the club's not responsible if you get sick.
Is that irresponsible to do?
Is that irresponsible to do?
I don't know.
Look, tell people to get tested.
Tell them to get tested when it's available.
When testing's readily available and treatment's readily available, I think only then are we going to relax.
donnell rawlings
Yeah.
I said it.
Yep, it's the truth.
joe rogan
Then the question is like, how do you tell people that you don't have it?
Like if you go to a bar, are you going to submit to having an app?
donnell rawlings
I've heard that there may be some type...
I heard in Wuhan or whatever, they have some type of system where it is an app where I guess you register...
And you can scan and see.
I know that has to be in development.
I was just talking to somebody about it.
I don't know exactly what it is, but I think that that technology exists.
joe rogan
Do you follow Willie D from the Ghetto Boys?
donnell rawlings
Yeah.
joe rogan
Go to his Instagram and he's got a post where there's a company That's sticking a microchip in these people's arms.
They hired a fucking professional tattooist and piercer, a professional piercer guy.
donnell rawlings
What has to come in for you to get it in?
joe rogan
What the fuck?
Imagine if your company tells you, I know you don't want to bring keys.
You know, why are you bringing keys everywhere?
I'm just going to give you a little microchip.
I'm going to make sure you're showing up at work on time.
You don't have to punch in anymore.
You're all set.
donnell rawlings
People are going to go for it.
joe rogan
They're going for it in this video.
Laughing and joking around about it.
That is real, right?
We didn't get hoaxed.
Did we get hoaxed?
Because it's a news story.
donnell rawlings
If it's not real, I can believe it.
jamie vernon
I don't know about it on his page, but I know exactly what you're talking about.
joe rogan
I watched it and was like, what in the fuck are they thinking?
jamie vernon
It's on MIT's website.
joe rogan
There it is.
This company embeds microchips in its employees and they love it.
donnell rawlings
Look at the title of that!
joe rogan
50 employees at Times Square Market got RFID chips in their hands.
donnell rawlings
Those are probably people that know that anything, they probably know that anything that the government wants to find out about you, they can find it out whenever they want.
joe rogan
Look at this.
When Patrick McMullen wants a Diet Dr. Pepper while he's at work, he pays for it with a wave of his hand.
Oh, well definitely don't carry credit cards anymore.
That's too hard to do.
Just put a microchip in you.
Pay it with a wave of your hand.
jamie vernon
I think LaGuardia.
One of the airports in New York has got the experimental thing going where they have, in one of the terminals, a place where you can go shop.
You just swipe your credit card when you walk in and you just leave with whatever you got and they charge you.
Like those Amazon stores.
It's the same technology.
I guess Amazon's licensing it out.
joe rogan
Well, that makes sense.
It's still a credit card, though.
Like, it's not a chip.
jamie vernon
The Amazon store, you don't wave your card.
I think you just have your phone with you, kind of.
And it just, like, knows that you have...
joe rogan
As long as you can leave it at home.
You can't leave it home.
This is what's so crazy about this.
How hard is it, you lazy bitch?
You can't pull your fucking credit card out?
You're willing to let them put a microchip in there so you can get a Diet Dr. Pepper with a hand move?
donnell rawlings
You can loan somebody money with a dap.
joe rogan
At his office, he's one of dozens of employees who've been doing likewise for a year now.
That's very funny.
Imagine?
That's how you give each other money?
donnell rawlings
Yeah, like that.
Cash app, slap app.
jamie vernon
You can't touch now because of Corona.
donnell rawlings
What are you going to do?
Oh, yeah.
That's why I couldn't pay you, bro.
Social distancing.
joe rogan
McMullen is the president of Three Square Market, a technology company that provides self-service mini markets to hospitals, hotels, and company break rooms.
Last August, he became one of roughly 50 employees at its headquarters in River Falls, Wisconsin, who had volunteered to have a chip injected into their hand.
Fucking yikes.
What I saw as a dude was getting it in his forearm.
It must be a different company.
So this is what's scary.
Is this going to be the new norm?
Like, what if you get fired by these people and you get hired by Amazon?
Do you have to put in one of their chips?
Do you have to take out your old chip?
Do they sell the chip to the company?
donnell rawlings
My guess would be, when you leave, give me my chip back.
joe rogan
Oh my god, they cut you open.
donnell rawlings
But that doesn't, that does not surprise me in the least.
joe rogan
It doesn't surprise me, but it alarms me.
It alarms me that people are so interested in having someone put a chip in their body.
But a company that tells you you have to do it, if a company tells you you have to do that, fuck that company.
donnell rawlings
But I know it, but those are people that feel that they need to feel the need of being a part of new technology.
I want it.
If that's the hot shit, motherfucker's gonna have it.
joe rogan
This was 2014, says microchips will be implanted into healthy people sooner than you think.
donnell rawlings
It's going to happen.
joe rogan
Yeah, it's going to happen.
I mean, they called it in 2014. It's going to happen for people.
donnell rawlings
Like, I say, look, think about it, Joe.
Somebody with Alzheimer's.
joe rogan
Yeah.
donnell rawlings
You know what I'm saying?
They're going to find a smart reason.
If somebody is abducted, you know what I'm saying?
It's like, it's weird to think about it, but then if you really think about it, it's...
It's going to be weird, but there's going to be plenty of reasons why it makes sense.
joe rogan
And then people are going to say, tell me where your chip is.
And people don't want to tell us, cut your hand off.
jamie vernon
This article, I don't like it.
Right here, it talks about this guy getting a computer virus implant in his chip.
joe rogan
A year later, Gasson infected his own implant with a computer virus, one that could pass on to other computer systems if the building's networks were programmed to read his chip.
As Gasson breezed around the workplace, spreading the virus and corrupting computer systems, certain areas of the building became inaccessible to his colleagues.
Jesus Christ.
donnell rawlings
That's how war is going to be for it, Joe.
joe rogan
Yes!
donnell rawlings
Yo, motherfucker, don't give a fuck if you can fight at wars like this.
Who can hack this shit?
That's where the wars...
It's not gonna be the physical shit.
It's gonna be like, you got one motherfucker in the room that could crash some shit like that.
Do you know what that fucking do to everybody?
joe rogan
Dude, I was watching this video of this couple that was infected.
And they were being dragged out of this building by these security guards in hazmat suits in China.
You know, it was either police or...
donnell rawlings
Was that an exercise or was it real?
joe rogan
It was real.
donnell rawlings
Yeah, because I saw some of it.
joe rogan
These people, it was...
I want to say it was a man and his wife that both tested positive.
I don't remember, though, but they were being dragged out.
They were picking them up like they're criminals.
donnell rawlings
I saw some videos.
I don't know if it was just...
It might have just been associated with corona or some other footage, but I've seen some stuff where motherfuckers, like, they was pulling this one lady out, and they fucking cracked her neck.
Next thing you know, she's on ice.
unidentified
Really?
donnell rawlings
Yeah, I can't remember.
And, you know, people are crazy on the internet.
It might be somebody like a story not related to that, but they change the headlines and get a different clickbait.
joe rogan
Well, when something catastrophic starts happening and people start dying, people justify a lot of crazy shit, man.
And one of the things that I bet people will justify is they'll justify manhandling people.
That they think are not complying with the rules or people that have the virus.
And then shit could get real crazy if that becomes normal.
donnell rawlings
It is going to become normal because you think about it, like right now when you have cases of people getting frustrated, somebody is, yo, you inside my body zone, my social distance.
And this is when everybody's not even out of here, Joe.
joe rogan
Is this in New York?
Why is this person getting dragged off?
donnell rawlings
What happened?
jamie vernon
He's wearing a mask.
joe rogan
Oh, he won't wear a mask, so they're just dragging him off because he's not complying?
unidentified
Yeah.
joe rogan
Yeah, fucking crazy, man.
jamie vernon
Making it more worse because they're all closer.
joe rogan
Yeah, this is crazy.
This is crazy.
But it also is crazy that this guy doesn't think he should wear a mask when he's on a fucking bus, crowded, filled with people, while there's a pandemic disease going on.
He should have a fucking mask on.
So where's the happy middle?
The happy middle is not these cops grabbing this guy and physically yanking him off the bus and causing this...
You know, very violent moment.
donnell rawlings
I mean, I think the thing we need to figure more important with that is, like, put your mask on, son.
joe rogan
Yeah, he didn't have a mask.
Maybe he just didn't have it.
donnell rawlings
Yeah.
joe rogan
We need to make masks available to people, too, right?
donnell rawlings
You don't want to lose your life.
joe rogan
Yeah, but to those people on the bus, they're probably very happy that the cops came and pulled that guy off.
donnell rawlings
To lose your mask?
joe rogan
Everybody's got a mask and this guy doesn't?
donnell rawlings
To lose your life...
joe rogan
For a fucking mask.
Yeah.
donnell rawlings
Mask rules everything around me.
joe rogan
There's a terrible video of a bus driver in Chicago.
And he makes this video talking about people were on his bus just coughing and constantly coughing with their mouth open.
He's like, please...
He's like, we're out here risking our health to do this service, and you people are being completely disrespectful and not caring, and four days later, he got it, and now he's dead.
So this guy, he's in this video, and then a short time afterwards, he's dead for what he was talking about.
donnell rawlings
I've heard so many cases of that.
joe rogan
Dude, imagine.
All of a sudden, you're a bus driver, and instead of just driving a bus, now you're also worried you're going to die from a pandemic disease, and you have to keep going to work and being surrounded by these people because someone has to drive people around.
donnell rawlings
They're not getting on them buses no more, bro.
unidentified
No.
donnell rawlings
Muffles not getting on them buses.
They're not getting on them buses.
joe rogan
When does this start back up?
And what is it gonna be like, Donnell?
Like, what is it gonna be like when the years get going again?
That they start clink, clink, clink, clink, clink.
donnell rawlings
It's gonna look like...
The international terminal for fly Korea in Japan.
That's what it's going to look like.
Motherfucker's going to be on mask for a while.
joe rogan
I think you're probably right.
donnell rawlings
They're going to be masked up for a while.
joe rogan
How long do you think?
A year?
donnell rawlings
Yeah, I mean, you got the being able to test vaccine.
How do you get rid of it?
They're going to teach us how not to catch it.
Okay, I got it.
How do I get rid of it?
And I was watching one of those shows on CNN with this black doctor, and she was talking about how they are close to a vaccine or something because they're just extending, I guess, certain tests.
They were doing something else that had similar traits.
I'm not a doctor.
I don't know exactly the story, but it was a story of The study and the research of it had already started.
joe rogan
Oh, so they had already been making the vaccine for the other stuff?
donnell rawlings
Yeah.
joe rogan
Was it SARS? Is that what it was?
donnell rawlings
It wasn't SARS. It was one of the new viruses I'd never heard of, but it was an interesting story because she was...
I don't know if it was Goopa, whatever the motherfuckers, what it was.
But it was a great conversation.
Like, what if...
Okay, we had...
Not we had, but...
Had realized that something like this is about to happen.
Because of this strand of something, this is going to be the next Hercules shit.
How do we get ahead of it?
And there may be some people out there that had already been thinking that.
They're going to find something to cure this shit.
joe rogan
Well, they've definitely been thinking that this could happen.
donnell rawlings
Because I know it may sound crazy.
Certain shit is like...
I don't know what has got the world so involved in that.
It wasn't specific to race or anything.
It was just like they say in the streets, anybody could catch it.
joe rogan
Anybody could catch it.
donnell rawlings
And that's where the panic is in every community.
joe rogan
The whole world.
Look at the whole world.
The whole world covered with humans.
Everybody's got it.
It's on every continent.
Except Antarctica, I think.
Antarctica's the only place that doesn't have cases.
That's what's wild about human contact.
When you think about how a disease can so quickly spread from China just all over the whole world and shut everything down.
They said that if China was honest about it, I don't know if this is true, but this is what I was reading in more than one different story, that China could have stopped 95% of the spread And I know, and they say if Donald Trump was honest about it, they could have set in mandates for social distancing and everything a little earlier.
I think a lot of people were real skeptical, unfortunately.
A lot of people were real skeptical, and no one anticipated it happening like this.
They were giving him a hard time when he was saying that they should stop travel from China.
People were calling him racist.
Now everybody stopped travel from everywhere.
donnell rawlings
Yeah, but a lot of people want to call him racist for fucking goddamn anything.
If he just ate coffee with no sugar, whoa, see, this is the reason why I don't want to fuck with this motherfucker.
joe rogan
Well, the things get cloudy, right?
Because, like, what is the thing?
The thing is, he wants to stop travel from this place because of diseases in this place.
And then the reaction is, well, that's racist to say, and we should be more sensitive, and...
donnell rawlings
Yeah, but people don't understand that Donald Trump don't move off of emotions.
The things that he's saying, you've got to understand that certain people have built like this.
Certain people don't make decisions off of emotions.
And that's what so many people get connected and disconnected with a candidate or whatever.
It's like, yeah, I fucking rooted for him.
They get connected with the emotions.
joe rogan
100%.
donnell rawlings
And then certain people like him and people of that like mind, which are mostly business people, they don't fuck with emotions.
They only fuck with results.
It's like, oh, I feel sorry.
Did you think about it?
Bitch, I don't care about none of that.
That's not how I work.
joe rogan
But my point was that if you got to give the guy a hard time about not reacting quick enough to certain things, you also got to give him props for shutting down traffic to places early.
But nobody wants to do that because it's a weird one.
donnell rawlings
Because the people that don't want to do that, Joe, is the ones that are caught up in the emotion.
joe rogan
The ideology.
donnell rawlings
Some people do not deal with reality.
joe rogan
Right.
donnell rawlings
They're reality.
And not on the Trump.
I'm not trying to harp on the Trump shit.
But Isaiah Washington.
You know Isaiah Washington?
joe rogan
Yes.
donnell rawlings
Gray's Anatomy.
We have a good friend.
I've known him for years in Brooklyn, whatever.
He's like a loyal Trump supporter.
You know what I mean?
He supports Trump.
But I've heard him say, he said, I don't vote for a person, I vote for policies.
I vote for policies.
And I'll give you an example.
joe rogan
Well, this is a weird one, Donnell, because no one had ever experienced this before.
So no one's doing the right thing.
donnell rawlings
Having experienced what?
joe rogan
Pandemics that shut down the whole world.
So when anyone's doing anything right now, everyone's going to be criticized.
donnell rawlings
100%.
But you got to do, like, what people don't, like, I listen, I watch both outlets, Fox and And CNN. That's confusing, isn't it?
It's confusing, but CNN is like a nagging girlfriend.
It's like, oh, bitch, shut the fuck up.
It's the same shit, bitch.
Yo, Joe, you like CNN to have you like, bitch, oh, you don't got nothing else to argue about five years ago.
You haven't found another argument.
CNN's be like, uh-uh, you remember that time?
You remember that time?
Fox be like, bitch, listen.
You know what I'm saying?
Like, you listen to, if you listen to too much CNN, bruh, You don't even know what the fuck is going on with nothing other than how much you hate this motherfucker.
joe rogan
It didn't used to be that way.
CNN used to be pretty straight journalism.
It's like their relationship with Trump is so toxic for both of them.
For both of them.
donnell rawlings
It's so I want to get you back.
It's so like, girl, I'm going to get you back.
Girl!
It's so Popeye's chicken.
Girl, you go with lemon herbs and spices.
unidentified
Girl!
donnell rawlings
The point I'm making is like, but when I listen to both, because you want to hear both perspectives, if you really care, you listen to both.
But then when I go to Fox and listen to it, I at least hear, okay, this is what our plans are.
This is what we want to do.
This is what the plans are.
This is what the president says he's going to do.
This is what the government wants to do.
You go on the other side, all you hear is like 1,000 people, more people die, die, die, die.
That's all you hear is numbers and numbers.
You don't have no solution.
And then the problem is, Joe, people get fucked up on how they want your solution conveyed to them.
It's like, can you give it to me slow, Joe?
Can you have Vaseline with it?
Or are you going to be rough with me?
And they can't take motherfuckers.
Motherfuckers can't handle rough.
I'm going to put it like this, right?
I'm going to become a Democrat, right?
And I love being a Democrat until tax season.
You know how close I was to putting the Make America Great Again hat when it was time to file my taxes, son?
Yo, the point I'm making, and I'm probably an example for a lot of people.
I'm a small business, you know.
I'm a vet.
I'm a veteran.
I served the United States Air Force.
I did my times.
I'm not going to say how good of an airman I was, but I committed four years of my life to this country.
You know what I'm saying?
And if there's, it is not about, let's take away the shit about, but the way he made me feel and then he said that he's such a so-and-so.
Let's take away that.
In my situation, there's a lot of people that are, I'm a small business animal vet, and the things that he do for those type of people, it's easy for me To say, I could justify it if all I'm thinking about is money and paper.
I could justify, yeah, fuck with them because of that.
But it's people, the disconnection right now with this election I feel is that everybody has, they're using, everybody's stakes is on emotions.
It's all on how I feel.
Oh, I like this guy, like that guy, like this guy, whatever.
You know, this is like, this motherfucker was going to come into this election and just beat the shit out of him.
Anybody.
The economy was doing well.
You know what I'm saying?
And my whole thing was, with anybody getting upset, Joe, what are you going to fight this motherfucker with this time?
You don't have no more fighting styles.
joe rogan
Yeah, well...
donnell rawlings
But being pissed?
unidentified
They're...
joe rogan
It's not good for anybody.
It's definitely not good for him.
It's not good for them.
But...
And that's what sells.
Like, this battle sells.
The battle sells.
This is a, you know, when all this dust settles, we're going to reevaluate so many different things about our culture.
Because we're going to realize how temporary this civilization we put together really is.
Especially if we hit a Great Depression after this.
We don't bounce back.
unidentified
Ugh!
joe rogan
Things can get real ugly for a lot of people.
They're going to feel very misled and mismanaged and mishandled and misprotected.
donnell rawlings
I don't think that that's going to be the case.
Like dealing with this, again, not a doctor, professor, anything like that, but it's more technology involved these days.
There's more of a possibility of making profit off of this.
And you know how when you can make money off of something, how people feel about that.
Just like you was telling me about the testing situation.
Like, you know, it's like, have you had a test?
Like, some motherfuckers don't even know where to begin.
And the reason why I don't know where to begin, because like this, okay, because what they tell you, Joe, what do they tell you?
They say, don't come up in this motherfucking hospital or whatever unless you feel a little fucked up.
You know what I'm saying?
Like, everybody doesn't have the benefits that you have.
You know what I mean?
And this is no disrespect to anything.
So what happens?
How do I... So what they're trying to say is...
I gotta be sick before I go see.
That's some people's reality.
You know?
Some people like this, oh, don't go check.
You know what I'm saying?
But this shit is gonna switch over.
Not switch over, but we're gonna start having a level of confidence and that's gonna be because We're going to handle this shit quick.
joe rogan
This is what I think.
We're going to handle it quick.
We need a certain amount of health coverage.
donnell rawlings
100%.
joe rogan
For everybody.
And this is a perfect example of that.
donnell rawlings
100%.
joe rogan
Because the more people get sick from this, the more everyone else is going to get sick too.
donnell rawlings
The more people get sick off of anything, Joe.
Anything.
I keep saying it.
I keep saying that the thing that's going to enlighten everybody and understand about this is like, I know you don't want to get the COVID, but while you try not to get COVID, you stopping a lot of shit.
joe rogan
Yes.
donnell rawlings
You stopping a lot of shit.
Goes back to you talking about diet and everything.
joe rogan
Yeah.
donnell rawlings
And that's why, like, they're like, in the black community, like, oh, it's hitting hard.
Motherfuckers.
Come on, man.
We talked about this before.
Nobody wants to deal with fucking reality.
And the reality be right in your fucking face.
The reality is always in our face, Joe.
joe rogan
I think the large number of people that live like that, Donnell, is just a symptom of this crazy society.
Now that this has been shook up, I think a lot of people are going to reevaluate.
They're going to think about the things that are putting them in jeopardy.
donnell rawlings
You know what?
I believe this.
The weak people are gonna get weaker and the strong, I think something like this, weak people get weaker and strong people get stronger.
joe rogan
It could happen or weak people can figure out that what they're doing could really end their life and that they've been fucking up and they need to step up and then they'll step up now because they realize that this is all temporary.
donnell rawlings
But you could be weak and smart at the same time.
joe rogan
Sure, there's a lot of people like that that are really intelligent but they don't have control of their emotions or they don't have control of their discipline.
It's real common.
donnell rawlings
Discipline is the number one.
joe rogan
It's a big one.
It's a big one.
It's what gets things done.
The thing that gets things done more consistently than anything is discipline.
donnell rawlings
And nobody's going to ever...
Too often you can hear somebody say this joke, why didn't that happen?
They're going to be like, oh yeah, I was young.
Not too many people are going to say it.
And it comes down to I wasn't disciplined enough.
joe rogan
That's what's so fucked up about this crisis, is that there's people that were doing the right thing.
They were disciplined, and still they get their livelihood taken away from them, and then they get their health taken away from them.
They did the right thing.
That's what's so crazy.
That's what's never happened to us before.
donnell rawlings
And that's what...
It's not funny, but that's when it comes to...
Even death, you know?
Like when somebody, you hear about somebody dying and you were close to them or you know a story of them or something.
Hell, when people die, you hear this right here.
Oh shit, we lost a good one today.
Like the other days, we lost those guys.
They weren't good ones.
You know, it's like out of all these deaths, like this one today, oh, we lost a good one.
joe rogan
Well, sometimes when someone dies that you're like a fan of, like Prince or David Bowie or Bill Withers, when Bill Withers died real recently, it's like, oh, that guy died.
donnell rawlings
Live at Carnegie Hall?
joe rogan
I know.
That song, Use Me?
I mean, come on, man.
He has so many great songs.
donnell rawlings
That song, You Are My Friend?
joe rogan
Yeah.
donnell rawlings
One of us has to say he's sorry.
Oh, we could never be friends again.
I said some things that cost you sorrow.
I just want you as my friend.
We're here today and gone tomorrow.
Whoa!
unidentified
None of us knows where life will end.
donnell rawlings
That song, man.
Live at Carnegie Hall.
And I'm going to tell you the thing I dug about Bill Withers the most.
Me being a comedian and loving music, you know, I don't know everything about music.
But, like, if you heard his Live at Carnegie Hall album, the transitions from one...
Song to the next.
You would appreciate it if you haven't heard it, Joe.
The comedic timing of it.
Listening to the crowd.
You know what I'm saying?
You know what I mean.
The storytelling of it.
It's like his little husk.
And the things he would say was all on point.
He took a crowd to suspense, to build up the joke.
And then going back to, I love that.
When he introduced Grandma's hand.
He said, Grandma used to go to church, and it wasn't one of them churches where you go and you say, if you're loving Jesus, it's all right.
He said, no, no, no.
He said, Grandma went to one of them churches where the beat starts getting to you, and you get them to that stove, you say, ow!
That was Grandma church.
Then he said, I love that old lady.
I love that old lady.
Grandma's hands.
unidentified
Oh!
Oh!
donnell rawlings
If you haven't heard that album in a while, and you know it's classic, and the thing about Bill Withers, people don't know, the youngins, the millennials, they don't know half the songs, half the remakes, whatever, half the shit they get connected with came from him.
joe rogan
Yeah.
donnell rawlings
Imagine, I wonder how much, I wonder if he was on the Lionel Richie level of royalties or whatever, but this fuckin' album right here.
joe rogan
How about Lean On Me?
donnell rawlings
Boom, boom, boom.
Lean song.
You know what I'm gonna tell you?
I use that song as the background theme for my roasting of Charlamagne Tha God.
Yo, I just want to say, I have theme song for this motherfucker, Joe.
Yo, I have theme songs.
Sometimes in our life, I pray for him.
Because I slaughtered him, son.
joe rogan
Why do you guys go at it so hard?
I don't understand.
You brought it up.
I didn't bring it up.
donnell rawlings
Joe, I'll explain it.
joe rogan
I brought it up earlier, but I brought it up about...
donnell rawlings
I'll explain it.
I'll explain it, Joe.
Joe, Joe, this was a day of frustration right here.
Okay?
I've known this crew for some years, Joe.
Angela Yee go back 20 years.
DJ Envy go back 15. We used to do Hot 97 together.
Charlemagne, we worked at MTV's Geico together, right?
It's all love.
We know each other, right?
And then I used to go up there.
I'm up there so much because I work at Carolinas on Broadway.
You know, that's where you promote it.
So they started this thing where they want to play pranks on me.
Like, oh, we got him.
You know, one prank was, when he comes in, no one laughs at his jokes, alright?
Look, it's like this.
One of them is like this, Joe.
When he comes in, don't laugh at his jokes, right?
So I go in, and I ain't trying to be funny.
I'm just funny.
And nobody laughing or anything.
And I'm like, Joe, I'm thinking like this.
I'm like, I know the fix is on, Joe.
You knew?
joe rogan
You were suspicious.
donnell rawlings
Joe.
joe rogan
Something was wrong.
donnell rawlings
Joe, have you ever seen me in a room and nobody's laughing?
joe rogan
I can't say that, no.
donnell rawlings
Okay, that's pretty much everywhere I go.
I'm just being honest.
joe rogan
You know you're funny.
donnell rawlings
I know I'm funny.
But not only that, but my energy, even if I'm not funny, my energy is good.
I came in, they're trying to play it.
And I'm like, oh, I'm about to tear everybody up in this room.
I'm like, I don't hit women, but yeet, I'm going to hit you with something, right?
And they're like, ah, we told them not to laugh.
And I'm like, okay.
A little corny joke.
Three or four other times I go there, they keep doing these jokes.
And I'm like, stop doing the motherfucking jokes.
Like...
I know we're friends or whatever, but at the same time, I do have a resume.
I have done stuff.
I'll continue to do stuff.
As much as they want to play, this is the reality of it.
joe rogan
Do you feel like it's disrespectful?
donnell rawlings
No, it's a disrespectful way.
Like, anything you try to call me not funny, you see me stand up.
6,500 people are ready to go to the music hall.
Charlamagne, you said out of your voice.
That Donnell, I went to see Radio City Music Hall.
Chris Rock, Dave Chappelle, and Donnell performed that night.
He said, I love all of them, and I ain't taking away none.
He said, but Donnell, that night, was on.
You saw that, nigga.
You saw all this shit.
So you trying to say you corny, which is an allergic word to a black comedian.
You corny?
Like, no.
You trying to give the impression that I'm corny and not funny.
It's just a waste of time and it don't make sense.
So now that we get little joke stuff off, now give me a real interview.
You know what I mean?
That's the only thing I say.
Give me a real interview.
joe rogan
Okay.
Does he know you feel like this?
You ever talk to him off the air?
donnell rawlings
Yeah, we talked about it.
But what I'm saying is, but this is how petty he is.
joe rogan
Okay.
donnell rawlings
This is the reason why I won't stop.
Because he won't stop, right?
He'll say, I've expressed myself to him like this.
He said, that's why I don't like playing with you, nigga.
You're too sensitive, right?
Okay.
So we go back.
Okay, fuck it.
Let's go back.
And like, we've had the conversation.
But what I realized, Joe, is that it doesn't matter what I say.
He's never going to give it.
You know, he's never going to do it.
So what I have to do is continue to destroy him on the level that I need to destroy him in.
The memes, I'm...
unidentified
Ruthless.
joe rogan
I've seen them.
donnell rawlings
And people are like...
joe rogan
I thought it was an inside fun joke, though.
I didn't know it was so serious.
donnell rawlings
No, it's serious and it's funny.
Okay.
unidentified
Joe...
donnell rawlings
Everything is always underlining.
Everything is always something underlining.
It's like, no, we're cool, but...
joe rogan
So you never feel comfortable?
Can't just hang.
donnell rawlings
I like them.
And the reason...
Oh, I like them.
We all have fun together.
I have said to him...
You know why?
I said, I know why you think you're a sex symbol and you look good.
I said, because I was in South Carolina this weekend, right?
And I said, you are the best looking person in South Carolina.
You should feel like a king.
We fuck with each other like that.
But also know, his radio background, I'll never take this away from him.
This is where we differ.
His radio background is coming from South Carolina.
You know how it is getting radio, going from a market like South Carolina to New York.
New York is the number one radio market, period.
You go from that, from a PA or intern, whatever entry level position you had, you go from that and you build and you grind and you a country motherfucker.
You're a country motherfucker, and now you're Charlamagne Tha God.
joe rogan
He works hard.
And he does that podcast with Andrew Schultz, too.
donnell rawlings
Yeah, they do it.
joe rogan
What is that, Brilliant Idiots?
That's a very good podcast.
donnell rawlings
I'm a person of this.
joe rogan
The two of them together.
donnell rawlings
They are.
They're great.
I'm a person like this, Joe.
If you're doing it, I can't hate on that.
You're doing it.
You do a really good job at it.
You're doing late night and all that type of shit.
I respect that.
But stop with the same clown.
You can't clown me.
You can't clown me.
I'm not a...
You...
You can't clown me.
You're giving people asses for Christmas presents.
joe rogan
Giving people asses?
donnell rawlings
You didn't know this, Joe?
joe rogan
No.
donnell rawlings
Charlamagne, you didn't...
Joe, you didn't know this?
joe rogan
I didn't know this.
donnell rawlings
What the fuck are you doing, man?
joe rogan
Just busy doing other stuff.
donnell rawlings
Oh, yeah, we went through this again, right?
I forgot we went through this with Spittin' 16, too.
I'm sorry.
joe rogan
Yeah, but this is different, like, giving away fake asses.
donnell rawlings
No, no, no.
Now, you, okay, can I play into scenario?
joe rogan
Yeah.
donnell rawlings
Before you see this video.
joe rogan
Okay.
donnell rawlings
Right.
And I'm not trying to say anybody's gay, but sometimes people are real comfortable.
joe rogan
Comfortable.
donnell rawlings
Real comfortable.
Okay.
If Jamie were to come in here like this and be like, Oh, Joe, good to see you, man.
I haven't seen you since holiday.
I got a gift for you.
You'd be like, Thanks, Jamie.
That's nice.
You open the box and you open that box and you open it.
And then as Jamie gave you this as a gift.
joe rogan
Okay, here we go.
Let's open it.
Let's see.
What is this?
donnell rawlings
Now, this is Friends.
joe rogan
Is that a rubber ass?
unidentified
No.
joe rogan
What is that?
donnell rawlings
Look, Joe.
joe rogan
Oh, he made a mold of his ass.
donnell rawlings
Right.
joe rogan
Oh, okay.
That's funny.
unidentified
That...
joe rogan
It's kind of funny.
donnell rawlings
By how long?
joe rogan
For a little bit.
donnell rawlings
For how long?
joe rogan
Like, just as a ridiculous thing to buy someone.
donnell rawlings
But then if he goes and put his finger in the booty hole.
joe rogan
Well, you know, you do what you gotta do.
You wanna get a laugh.
donnell rawlings
What the fuck are you talking about, man?
joe rogan
I don't care.
donnell rawlings
Really?
joe rogan
No.
donnell rawlings
Okay, alright, alright.
You're comfortable.
You would be comfortable.
Black ass, black ass.
joe rogan
Well, oh, look at the balls.
I didn't know about the balls.
donnell rawlings
What the fuck?
Maybe this is the wrong show.
joe rogan
So is that an exact mold or did you just like give him a picture and say do your best?
donnell rawlings
See?
joe rogan
That's important.
unidentified
See?
donnell rawlings
See, Joe?
joe rogan
Like the porn stars do that.
donnell rawlings
Here it is.
joe rogan
You know that that's what they do?
donnell rawlings
And guess what, Joe?
And this is what I try to say.
You really appreciate it.
That's white boy humor right there.
You love that, Joe.
joe rogan
It's not my favorite thing.
donnell rawlings
It's not your favorite thing.
joe rogan
I'm not going to lie to you.
It's not my favorite thing.
donnell rawlings
It's not your favorite thing, but that's a humor you can respect.
I can't respect that.
That's what you're telling me.
Like, dude, I teabagged dudes my whole life.
joe rogan
No, I have never done that.
But what they're doing is...
donnell rawlings
Look, look, look, Joe!
joe rogan
That's unnecessary.
Exactly!
Unnecessary and rude.
And no one likes it like that anyway.
donnell rawlings
Oh, my God.
Oh, my God.
This is the setup.
joe rogan
That's the thing that with porn stars, man, they get paid to get, like, molds of their body and then dudes...
donnell rawlings
So you're trying to say Charlamagne is a porn star?
joe rogan
That's how they make those.
There's a reason why there's a hole.
donnell rawlings
Okay, Joe, I don't know how the fuck they made that one, but don't bring it to my interview and don't keep putting it in my fucking face.
Is that fair?
joe rogan
Donnell, just think about this.
Why is there a hole?
If it's a mold of your ass, The only reason why there's a hole is they put it there.
They put a place where you can stick something in.
donnell rawlings
Exactly, Joe.
And the point I'm making, Joe, is that that's not what you gift your mans.
joe rogan
I understand.
donnell rawlings
I understand your position.
I know you're going to know how to break it down the whole S and the anal cavity and all that type of shit.
unidentified
I wouldn't do it either.
joe rogan
That's not what I'm saying.
donnell rawlings
And then would you be sketchy of a guy?
joe rogan
What are they going to fill it up with cream?
What is that?
They're polishing it?
donnell rawlings
Look, that's DJ Envy.
He got a family, Joe.
He's got a family, Joe.
No, he's got a family and a dope son.
Envy's a great father.
joe rogan
He's got a family.
When you're there, go for it.
Once you already got the party rolling, your finger in a rubber butt, why not cover it with cocoa butter?
I'm not mad.
I'm not mad.
I wouldn't want that.
Here's the thing.
I wouldn't want someone to give me that.
I wouldn't want to be there.
I wouldn't want to have to deal with it.
donnell rawlings
You don't want to be around the type of motherfuckers that think that's funny.
joe rogan
I don't want to be fingering it.
No, I don't.
No.
donnell rawlings
Now you're going to understand my point.
joe rogan
I understand.
donnell rawlings
The point I'm making is that I know that's your thing, the booty stuff.
You guys have fun.
Y'all have fun doing it.
I am not of that place or space.
joe rogan
You're not into fingering rubber butts in front of people on camera.
donnell rawlings
Not at all.
And then they went back and forth.
Son, they went back and forth.
They keep doing the corny jokes.
And the last time I went up there...
I knew, I already knew they was gonna do, they was gonna try to do a joke.
You know those horns they take to soccer matches?
joe rogan
Yeah.
donnell rawlings
I went to the breakfast club with a bag full of the motherfuckers.
And every time he says something, I drive it like this.
joe rogan
Jesus.
donnell rawlings
I shut him down.
He couldn't talk, right?
Then I'm shaking it like, I'm like this.
I got the motherfucker like this.
The Freon is freezing my hand, right?
I'm shaking it.
I'm like, uh-uh.
And then my shit went dead.
Then he said, yeah, motherfucker, you ain't got no more spray.
I went right in my bag, Joe, and I got another clip.
I knew you would like that part more than anything.
I clipped up on his ass.
I was using windage.
You know what windage is on the gun, right?
I was using and I tore his ass up.
And I'm smoking him.
Then they still want to do the jokes.
They still want to do the jokes.
Then they're like this.
Joe, they won't stop, Joe.
These niggas won't stop, Joe.
They still won't stop, right?
These motherfuckers won't stop.
I'm telling you, Joe.
So now they're like, oh, yeah, your interview is over.
We're going to leave, guys.
They get up.
joe rogan
And leave you there.
donnell rawlings
And leave me there.
joe rogan
That's a joke.
What'd you do?
Take over the radio show?
That's what I would imagine you would do.
donnell rawlings
Joe, it was about to go down.
They said, we'll leave.
I was like, the fuck out of here.
Angela Yee, that's my girl.
Yee stayed.
Angela Yee said, they said, you going?
Angela Yee's like, no, I'm going to stay.
They left the room.
Me and Angela Yee in there.
Now, the interview I kind of wanted them to give me, the series interview or whatever, they Me and Angelini clicked right into the serious interview.
Them motherfuckers bust back in.
Hey, what are you doing?
I'm like, no, nigga, y'all gone.
Go!
And they keep on fucking with me, Joe.
You know I'm sensitive, Joe.
You know I'm sensitive, Joe.
unidentified
You know I'm- The look on your face.
joe rogan
They keep on fucking with me, Joe.
donnell rawlings
They keep, Joe.
unidentified
And they keep on- Is this gonna be like Tiger King?
donnell rawlings
I ain't going to jail fucking with them motherfuckers.
I can tell you that shit.
It's not going to be...
But now it's like, it's fun.
Every time I got an opportunity, it's so much fun.
Let me show you.
I got to just show you.
I have an arsenal.
I have an arsenal of this shit, son.
Hold on.
Bearded Humor be making these joints.
Look, hold on, hold on.
joe rogan
Bearded Humor?
donnell rawlings
Yeah, that's my guy.
Look at these headlines.
Bearded Humor.
He's so dope.
Look at that.
Did you know this story?
joe rogan
Right.
Jussie Smollett allegedly had sex with his attacker at Chicago Bathhouse.
And then it's him.
donnell rawlings
And it's who?
Jussie?
And who else?
joe rogan
Oh, that looks like you photoshopped Charlamagne's face.
donnell rawlings
I didn't photoshop Charlamagne's shit!
That was him, son!
joe rogan
It's not the same.
It's a terrible photoshop.
Look at that, Jamie.
donnell rawlings
That's not a terrible photoshop.
joe rogan
And he's got a MAGA hat on.
donnell rawlings
You got the message.
You got the message.
That's the type of venom I'll continue to spin on.
joe rogan
He's probably thinking that's funny.
donnell rawlings
He does.
joe rogan
That's hilarious.
donnell rawlings
How could you not?
How could you not?
Yeah, but I will say, people ask, and the thing about everywhere I go, people are like, yo, the Breakfast Club, they be fucking with you, son.
They be fucking with you, son.
joe rogan
Do you think there's a way to do a show?
Like within the next month.
donnell rawlings
Are you going to produce it?
Are you going to produce it?
joe rogan
No, no, no.
I mean like a comedy show.
donnell rawlings
Because the last time you said you was going to...
And I'm not...
The last time you said...
joe rogan
You mean podcast.
donnell rawlings
Yeah, last time you said...
unidentified
You did it.
donnell rawlings
No, that's not what you said, Joe.
joe rogan
No, no.
What you tried to force me into doing was...
donnell rawlings
I didn't try to force you anything.
joe rogan
I feel like you did.
donnell rawlings
Jamie, did I force him into anything, Jamie?
I... No, I'm not saying...
I'm not trying...
It's your spot.
I can't blow your spot up.
But you said...
I didn't force it.
You said you was producing the first episode.
joe rogan
I said I would do it.
I said I would produce it.
donnell rawlings
And Jamie was not excited about it at all.
He wouldn't even take the shit off my phone.
joe rogan
But Jamie was doing something with you, right?
donnell rawlings
No, he didn't do it on purpose.
joe rogan
What was the issue?
donnell rawlings
I was trying to Bluetooth...
I was trying to airdrop the episode that I did in the car.
joe rogan
So Jamie was producing it?
donnell rawlings
He said it, but he started not taking my calls also.
joe rogan
Is that what happened?
donnell rawlings
Yo!
joe rogan
What happened, Jamie?
I didn't hit you on the DM. I felt like something definitely we did help you get off the ground.
donnell rawlings
Oh, 100%.
That's why I can't take this one so far.
joe rogan
What did you do?
You put it up for him?
You uploaded it for him?
unidentified
No!
jamie vernon
He sent me the video, and then we got the video, and then a whole bunch of stuff happened that day, including the podcast with Rizzo.
We were supposed to get a song from Rizzo, which you got, I think, right?
donnell rawlings
Yeah, yeah, the beat.
I got the beat.
jamie vernon
He never sent it to me.
donnell rawlings
The beat?
jamie vernon
How was I supposed to put it on that video?
donnell rawlings
I didn't know you was...
jamie vernon
Well...
joe rogan
See, we felt like this was going to be more work than we anticipated.
donnell rawlings
I knew it.
Jamie didn't want to do it as soon as the show was over.
joe rogan
I don't think it's that.
I mean, that kind of stuff where he's got to figure out how to put the beat on the...
I don't know why you guys didn't communicate properly.
donnell rawlings
We did.
He wasn't fucking with me, Joe.
I don't believe that.
joe rogan
He always responds.
What happened, Jamie?
jamie vernon
I don't want to say it on air.
I'll remind you guys off air.
joe rogan
He doesn't want to call you out.
donnell rawlings
No, when I went over there, Jamie started breathing hard.
When I went over, he was like...
This is what you said, Jamie.
I'm telling you, you said, you looked at that little scroll line, you did like this.
Your eyes blinked.
Bro, you did like this.
You said, it's going to take too long.
jamie vernon
Here's what happened.
Now I'm remembering it again.
In the middle of, we finished your podcast and we started the next one with RZA. I have to do stuff in the middle of doing two podcasts.
donnell rawlings
That's what I didn't know, Jamie.
jamie vernon
During that, you came up to me and started, not making me, but asking me to help you.
donnell rawlings
Right.
jamie vernon
I had to get the next podcast ready.
donnell rawlings
And I had no idea.
jamie vernon
And at the same time, I was trying to communicate with you how to use AirDrop.
And you weren't on the Wi-Fi, weren't on the Bluetooth.
And that's the best way to get the video to me.
We were trying to figure out if you could do that or a Dropbox.
donnell rawlings
So, Jamie, you didn't hear me say this?
You didn't hear me say this, Jamie?
This part of the story, you didn't hear me say this, Jamie?
Jamie, I don't want to upset you.
What do I need to do to make this situation easier for you?
I never said that.
jamie vernon
We got that part figured out, though.
donnell rawlings
Yeah, but that was the first thing.
But see, I didn't know the urgency of...
I almost...
Here goes my narcissistic attitude.
I was thinking about me, and I didn't think about you had another show.
So you were 100% right.
I fucked up.
joe rogan
Well, I contacted Jamie, and Jamie told me that you got somebody else to do it then.
Like, who else did you get to do it?
jamie vernon
You got David's opening now, right?
And that's what I got.
donnell rawlings
Yeah, I did it because somebody wouldn't answer my fucking phone call.
joe rogan
That wasn't me.
donnell rawlings
Okay, alright.
It got done.
But here's the thing.
joe rogan
Listen, I'm happy you're up and running.
donnell rawlings
That's what I'm saying.
Like, I could never be mad at that situation because that was the kick in the ass for me to do it.
You know what I'm saying?
And like, the fact that, like, that day, it was the birth of it.
You know what I'm saying?
Like, that day...
It was so special to me.
You know what I mean?
I didn't want to be at the RZA podcast.
I told you, I was like, I just got off a flight, haven't seen my son in a while.
joe rogan
Right.
donnell rawlings
I said, I was like, fuck, you was like the RZA. I was like, yeah, nigga.
I said, yeah, nigga.
I called you nigga.
I said, yeah, nigga.
But my son, I ain't seen my son.
I got a red eye, right?
And remember that.
And I was like, right before, before I was going to leave, you asked me again, you said, you sure?
I was like, nigga, I got to see my son, right?
unidentified
Right.
donnell rawlings
I love Wu-Tang, but I gotta see my son.
And I walk out the door.
I'm about to leave.
I'm dipping in the car.
Fucking RZA pull up.
And the first thing he said was, What's up, Ashley Larry, you funny motherfucker?
Hey, Joe, I said, man, fuck my son, nigga.
That's the RZA. Wu-Tang forever.
My son don't even look like me, nigga.
I'm good, nigga.
unidentified
I'm about to interrupt the shit out of this, son.
donnell rawlings
That's what happened.
So if I was out of pocket, I'm going to tell you, because I would have never been of a notion like, you better do this.
I was...
Nigga, can anybody in America, can y'all understand, Joe Rogan and Jamie said they're going to produce my first podcast.
RZA come through the fucking door saying, I'm going to give you a track.
joe rogan
That's a lot of things that happen in a day.
donnell rawlings
That's a lifetime, motherfucker.
Joe Rogan just endorsed my shit.
Jamie said that RZA came in, bong bong, trying to be a comedian.
And he said he was going to give me a beat.
I was like, man, when we went to that podcast, I was on fucking cloud nine, bro.
joe rogan
When you do your podcast, what are you doing?
Twice a week?
How many days a week are you doing it?
donnell rawlings
I do it, it all depends, like, twice.
Twice.
I do one.
Sometimes I do two.
Sometimes I do one.
It all depends on how I feel.
joe rogan
Whatever you feel like doing.
donnell rawlings
Isn't that nice?
Yeah, I love it.
I'm telling you.
joe rogan
Whenever you feel it.
donnell rawlings
Mad Joe, I'm going to tell you something.
From that day, I will be forever grateful for that conversation.
Because it put me on a path of everybody that started this business, they want to be you.
They want to be you.
When they start, they don't look at the steps, Joe.
They don't look at the steps.
The only thing they see is you now.
You got some loyal fans, but when it comes to somebody being introduced to the game or whatever, you're the grail.
You're like, nigga, you can't just do that, motherfucker.
You got to fight for that shit.
You got to go through a whole bunch of shit.
You can't do that.
But what you could say is like, I want to have the work ethics that that motherfucker have.
joe rogan
That's everything.
Just keep doing it.
And if you keep doing it, you get better at it.
donnell rawlings
That's it too.
When I first started, you said I was sensitive?
Because I didn't know that.
I'm not in control of the podcast world.
I'm in control of a stage.
If I go on a stage, nigga, you come at me, I'm going to tear your ass up.
You come at me with the trolly shit or whatever, I don't know.
I don't know how to act.
It's some new shit.
And then when I first started doing it, I never promised anybody crazy.
I was like, it's gonna evolve.
And even the people that I'm working with, I said, listen, man, it's a learning process.
I said, but every week, We got to grow.
Every week got to be something different.
If our sound was kind of shaky the week before next week, we can't have that sound issue.
Of course we're going to make mistakes, but we can't repeat the same mistakes.
That's when it gets to be a nuisance.
Let's grow.
Let's grow in terms of the mic, the posters, everything.
joe rogan
Yeah, it's like everything else, man.
The more you think about it, the more you can improve it.
The more you think about what you did that maybe you could have done better.
It's not ever done.
Like, I'll have a bad podcast to this day.
Sometimes it just doesn't click, or I'm off, or my brain's not firing that good.
It's going to happen.
No way around it.
donnell rawlings
But if they dig you, they'll tune in and find out.
joe rogan
Well, they kind of can tell.
If someone listens to you for so many hours...
They kind of get it.
It's just like there's some days, like any other human being, there's some days like physically you don't feel as good as you feel other days.
You're run down.
Your brain doesn't work that way either.
When you're run down, your brain doesn't work well.
Sometimes I'm just not as sharp or sloppy or maybe I'm not as enthusiastic as I should be.
Maybe I'm not tuned in as much.
It's all about being tuned in, man.
donnell rawlings
I did, and I've had some, and it's so funny you say, because every time I've done an episode, right, I'm like this.
You know, when I get off stage, I know when I ripped.
You know, you're like, ugh.
I'll do a podcast, and I'm like, ugh.
I'm like, did anybody see a scorecard?
I'm like, Joe, I'm like, yeah, you know how they move like this, and you like this, and still like, oh, yeah.
But for some reason, those moments, I'm like, oh, I don't know.
Because it's hard, I can't be critical of myself when I'm talking.
joe rogan
It's hard, man.
donnell rawlings
You know, I gotta, I can't think.
But the times that I thought it was gonna be like whatever, was some of the best.
It felt good, man.
It felt really good.
And this shit feel good from...
Everybody talking about you running a risen podcast.
That motherfucker gave me four beats, bruh.
And I didn't cut this beat up into all types of shit.
So I got commercials.
I got ass ass.
I got the remix.
This one fucking beat is so dope.
joe rogan
Do you see this thing with him and DJ Premier?
donnell rawlings
Yeah, I was in and out of it.
joe rogan
How interesting is that?
donnell rawlings
It's interesting.
joe rogan
It's a great way to make something out of all this shit.
donnell rawlings
But you know what, Joe?
I'm glad you brought that up, right?
Because that's the new thing.
Everything is the versus thing now, Joe.
joe rogan
Right.
donnell rawlings
The battle.
And then people, even with that, people were like this.
They said, Who won?
And in a battle like that...
joe rogan
Everybody won.
donnell rawlings
Everybody won.
joe rogan
Hip-hop won.
People won because you're watching it while it's happening and these guys are having a good time knowing that all these people are getting into it online and it's all going down on your phone.
Everything is this completely new thing from top to bottom.
The quarantine's completely new.
The fact that RZA and DJ Premier...
Dude, I'm a huge Gangstar fan.
I've loved Gangstar from a long time ago, man.
donnell rawlings
Real rap.
And that's what was so dope about this.
And this is the point that I was trying to make on the wrist when I was talking about...
Like, one of the things that I'm impressed about RZA, and I know people's like this, you didn't let RZA talk, RZA talk, whatever.
But I felt like motherfuckers say the same, same shit.
Same, same shit.
I know it's his voice to say it, but I'm like, anything else that we, do we know about RZA? And I'm more impressed on being able to create a group as iconic as Wu-Tang is.
That's it.
And to be able to say, you know what?
Not saying it was the strife or anything.
It's like, I'm a bad motherfucker.
I can flip genres.
I can do whatever.
I'm going to show another writing style.
So that's one of the things that I personally respected about him and his journey.
joe rogan
They built one of the most iconic bands in all of music.
donnell rawlings
It's the Black Grateful Dead.
Or what did you tell me?
Fish or some shit?
joe rogan
No, Fish is a copy of the Grateful Dead.
They would have to be the Black Grateful Dead.
donnell rawlings
I mean, when I say that, a band that can tour forever.
joe rogan
Yeah, forever.
But there's something about them.
It's like, what they stand for is strong.
You know, is that expression that the sum is greater than its parts?
So, like, you counted up all of them together.
donnell rawlings
Hold on a second.
joe rogan
You alright?
donnell rawlings
Hold on a second.
joe rogan
Together, they just work perfectly.
donnell rawlings
Hold on, I'll be right back.
joe rogan
Alright.
donnell rawlings
Alright, I'm good, son.
joe rogan
They were all so original, too.
And, you know, ODB, when ODB went big, that was a part of their master plan, though, right?
What, ODB? Yeah, when he was doing that Baby, I Got Your Money song.
Come on, man.
Still to this day, when you hear that song, that's one of my all-time favorite songs.
That's a happy song.
donnell rawlings
Baby, I got your money.
And he was like, you know, ODB was ODB. Yeah.
The only thing that I liked about what your fans said, son, the nickname they gave me, because they was giving me Wu-Tang names after that shit, right?
They called me the Old Dirty Interrupter.
Right?
And I was like this.
I had to give a thumbs up on that one, son.
They called me the Old Dirty Interrupter.
That's hilarious.
And the thing about it was, that shit, the Dirty Interrupter, it blew up so much.
RZA... Hit us up!
They were doing a 25-year loud record anniversary at Radio City Music Hall, Wu-Tang, a whole bunch of groups, right?
And Rizzo reached out to us, and he wanted us to do a video to introduce the Wu-Tang on stage.
Me and Dave, we were touring.
We were somewhere.
And we did a video.
And they played at Radio City Music Hall.
And the video was like, yo, Dave was like, yo, what's up?
Radio City Music Hall.
Did you see me coming in?
Let me say something.
unidentified
Let me say it.
donnell rawlings
Did you ever see it?
joe rogan
No.
donnell rawlings
Oh, man, it was a great-ass moment, man.
And as much as people want to shit on me about he ruined the podcast, just, and I know most of it was the energy Dave had, but that little connection came through.
I was like, you motherfuckers didn't woke up a beast.
You know, you ever be so mad, Joe, and make you go do something?
joe rogan
Wait a minute, I have seen this video.
I have seen it.
Yeah, it's like a selfie camera.
donnell rawlings
Yeah, it's a selfie camera.
joe rogan
Yeah, okay.
Yeah, yeah, yeah.
That's right.
And they played that while the concert was going on.
donnell rawlings
And then it was like, man, it was fire.
You know, that probably didn't even make page six or whatever.
But it was like, to know that that is a part of my life, You know what I'm saying?
Those relationships, it's just fucking dope, man.
Like, RZA gave me a beat, nigga.
Come on, man!
joe rogan
It's pretty impressive.
donnell rawlings
Yo, RZA gave me a beat.
Shout out to my whole crew, Julius.
joe rogan
And that's what you used for the podcast opener, right?
donnell rawlings
Yeah, but it's like...
The intros, they like co-opens, and I don't want to be like overly producing anything, but I've established something with the intros where I think people kind of look forward to like how this will play.
Not knowing what, you know?
joe rogan
Yeah, for sure.
It's just that you're able to express yourself so easily there.
When you do something like that where no one has any input, it's just you to them.
It's like you're basically doing a lot of what you do when you do radio shows anyway.
You just do it to the whole world.
donnell rawlings
Yeah.
joe rogan
Yeah, it's just you rant for the whole world.
donnell rawlings
And you don't know, the hardest part is like, you don't know they're listening yet.
You gotta wait.
joe rogan
Yeah, that's true.
donnell rawlings
You gotta wait for the response on stage.
You knew if that shit was whack or not.
joe rogan
Yeah.
It's just a different thing.
It's just a different thing to focus on.
donnell rawlings
It's been fun.
It's been so dope.
And now with the COVID-19 and everything, I really have time to put into it.
And I'm really having fun doing it.
It's fun.
joe rogan
That's beautiful, man.
It is all about finding something to occupy your time that you enjoy.
That's a big part of what life's all about.
What I'm hoping this does too for people once the dust settles and the economy starts to bounce back.
I'm hoping people, when they go forward, they're going to make choices based on what they want to do, what they really are excited by, what they're going to enjoy, not on what they think is the safest option, not on what they think is best for the long term.
donnell rawlings
They have to now because they're feeling what's important now.
They're feeling it.
What do we do?
joe rogan
Why is that me?
donnell rawlings
What do we do?
joe rogan
When you do an impression of me, why do you say, what do we do?
Do I say that all the time?
donnell rawlings
Not all the time, but I know, what do we do?
But it's not just, what do we do?
It's like a movement.
What do we do?
What do we do?
And what are we doing?
You're telling us what we need to do, but you still say, what do we do?
joe rogan
Because I'm never sure.
donnell rawlings
But you sound like you write about everything.
You don't know too many motherfuckers that sound like that.
joe rogan
I definitely don't sound like I'm right about everything.
I'm wrong about a lot of shit.
But I'm right about what I think.
donnell rawlings
You don't sound like it.
joe rogan
I'm right about what I think and that I know this is how I think.
I'm pure in my intention.
I'm not always correct with my facts.
donnell rawlings
What do we do?
What do we do with intention, Joe?
What do we do with intention?
What do we do?
Do we ignore it?
Do we ignore it?
What do we do?
joe rogan
Don't get sucked into your phone, baby.
Don't go reading comments.
Don't do it.
It's just time you can never get back.
donnell rawlings
That's important.
joe rogan
It's time you can never get back.
You're too creative.
You're doing too much good shit.
You're doing too much funny shit.
That bit that you posted up on Instagram the other day, I love that bit about how women love text messages because there's no way you would ever let them say that many words to your face.
donnell rawlings
No, son.
You would not do it.
My first paragraph, it's like, not today, bitch.
Not today.
You're going to save this for somebody else.
joe rogan
Yeah, when they're giving you this fucking one, two, three, four, five, six pages in a row.
Jesus!
donnell rawlings
Shut the fuck up.
joe rogan
How many text messages are coming in?
Are we reading to each other here?
donnell rawlings
And then...
joe rogan
Sorry, Jamie.
donnell rawlings
But they're all stocked up.
And then you hit K and they'll fucking lose themselves.
joe rogan
K is hilarious.
donnell rawlings
K is a motherfucker.
joe rogan
K, whatever someone's, that's so passive-aggressive.
You don't even write, okay, just K. Just K. It's like, I don't want to hear anything.
donnell rawlings
It's like, please.
It's like, it's like a please.
joe rogan
You can kind of get away with K. You can kind of get away with, okay.
But if you write, like, you know how some people write a bunch of Ks?
Like, if you do that, that's like, you're like dismissing them, right?
Like, okay, okay, okay, okay.
donnell rawlings
But you can never stop at three Ks.
joe rogan
No.
unidentified
You gotta go to four!
jamie vernon
What if you just liked that message now instead of hitting K even if you just liked it?
joe rogan
Yeah.
jamie vernon
To that girl back?
joe rogan
That's weird, man.
Girls get upset at that.
I feel like girls want you to write it back.
Okay, sounds good.
Thank you.
Bye.
They want you to say it back, Jamie.
donnell rawlings
Nah, man.
joe rogan
Can't just fucking like their thing.
Because what if they have Android?
jamie vernon
It says it.
It's a text message to them that says you liked this message.
How weird is that?
It's fucking confusing.
donnell rawlings
And I didn't like it.
I just thumbed up because I don't have no middle options.
joe rogan
That's how they keep us divided.
Ian Edwards is right.
Android and Apple.
That's how they keep us divided.
donnell rawlings
The separation is real.
joe rogan
That's so real, man.
Can't even airdrop me?
donnell rawlings
I got that weed.
What was that weed?
joe rogan
Good weed, right?
donnell rawlings
That shit was a...
I never had that from there.
joe rogan
Speedweed.
This is all Speedweed's blunts.
They're called Loaded.
Shout out to my man Gino.
donnell rawlings
Gino's always got that belt.
joe rogan
I think he's always got the belt.
He has literally a bandolier like Clint Eastwood in an old western with these cartridges of blunts all around him.
Yeah, hilarious.
You gonna keep that on?
donnell rawlings
Nah, I just like it, son.
joe rogan
In less than a half an hour, we're gonna find out whether or not you got the COVID. Got that Rona.
I wish we had done it before.
donnell rawlings
I don't know, son.
joe rogan
We'll let everybody know.
How you feel?
You feel good?
donnell rawlings
I feel great.
That's the thing that's going to freak motherfuckers out.
A motherfucker could feel great and not be great.
You don't know.
joe rogan
Yes.
That's what's scary about this disease is more than any other one.
How many people test positive but don't experience any symptoms?
And then other people just die.
It is confusing for folks.
I think they said the number was between 50 and 70%, right?
They test positive.
They've come in contact with the virus.
They have no symptoms at all.
When do you think we're going to get back to normal?
donnell rawlings
I don't think, again, Joe, it's never going to be another normal.
joe rogan
This is it now.
donnell rawlings
Yeah, this is it.
I just think that people are going to build a different...
joe rogan
Imagine if you graduate in high school, and this is what happens, this is the world you're looking forward to.
Motherfucker.
Right when I get out.
donnell rawlings
Or another thing you can think of, like, I was talking to one of my buddies, and I've been having a really good time with my son making stuff.
He said, man, I know this may sound crazy, but this corona shit, he said, you and your son are going to look back one day, and you're going to be like, hey, Dad, remember when we made that slingshot when the corona was out?
You know what I'm saying?
It's like, you know, the memories are going to be there all types of ways.
joe rogan
Yeah, you're building memories that you wouldn't have ordinarily built.
donnell rawlings
Yep.
joe rogan
As long as you're alive and as long as you're healthy.
I think the positive side of this, you can always look at the negative side, but the positive side is look how many people are complying.
Look how many people are doing the right thing.
donnell rawlings
Right.
joe rogan
A lot of people.
A lot of people.
And they're doing the right thing because they care about their loved ones, and hopefully they care about your loved ones.
donnell rawlings
And people aren't complaining as much.
People not deal like, fuck it, that's what it is.
joe rogan
I mean, some people are hurting financially.
A lot of people losing their businesses, they're hurting.
But the amount of strife, the amount that you see in the streets as far as like riots and protests, it's non-existent.
People are understanding we're all fucked.
This is like, we didn't see it coming.
We all got a deal.
I just hope this makes people realize that all that pull them up by their bootstrap stuff like people love to think that that's how people should be you know you should just pull yourself up by your bootstraps go out there and fucking make something for yourself that's all true you definitely should go out there and try to accomplish some goals But there's gonna be times in our lives as a community where some shit goes down and it's not anybody's fault, but they need help.
And that's when we have to evaluate what our taxes go to.
Because if our taxes don't go to some form of excellent Very accessible healthcare and making that more widespread, then you're basically saying you don't really care about people's health and their survival as much as you care about money.
Now, if we're going to commit to that kind of a culture after something like this, well, we're insane.
We're not learning anything.
We should learn something from this.
And what we can learn from this is, health-wise, We're not prepared, whether it's through hospital bills, ICUs, ventilators, social distancing protocols, whatever the fuck it was.
We weren't prepared for something like this.
But now that we are, we should all go, hey, yeah, you know what, man?
No one should not have the money to pay for treatment for this.
donnell rawlings
So what do we do?
What do we do, Joe?
What do we do?
What do we do?
joe rogan
Change the way we look at our services.
donnell rawlings
It sounds like you said we've got to change thinking, period.
joe rogan
Change thinking, but also change what our money should go to.
Our money's got to go to that.
It's got to go to that.
That's very important for everybody.
When people get sick, it spreads to all of us now.
We don't want ever to know anyone that you love that's going to die because they can't get healthcare that's available for people that have money.
We've got to stop that, just like we stopped with the fire department.
The fire department goes to people's houses when the fire's on fire.
Hold on a second.
The fire department goes to a house when it's on fire because not just to that house.
They don't want it to spread through the whole city.
They go.
Well, that's the same thing with healthcare.
If someone's really sick, if they don't help you and you got coronavirus, you spread it to everybody else, right?
You don't get the healthcare and you're contagious.
It's almost like a fire in a lot of ways, like a viral fire.
donnell rawlings
But aren't we living in a system where everybody is qualified to have healthcare?
joe rogan
We should be.
We should be.
donnell rawlings
So what is Covered California?
What the fuck is that all about then?
joe rogan
I don't know, man.
I mean, if you think about how much money gets spent on things, right?
Whether it's computers, whether it's cars, whether it's houses, whether it's the things that people buy.
How much of a percentage of that if you could escalate it just a little bit and all that money goes into just healthcare?
Not just taxes where no one's accountable.
You don't know where the fuck it's gonna go.
What if everybody's dollar cost a dollar five?
Just an added five cents for most things you buy up to a certain point.
All that money goes straight to healthcare.
Wouldn't you be willing to pay, instead of $1, $1.05 for something, if you knew that $0.05 was going to go towards healthcare?
donnell rawlings
You know what, as a business person?
That five cent may mean a lot to me as a business person.
joe rogan
You're right.
It might.
donnell rawlings
That's what I'm saying.
That might be...
I can't know.
You're looking at that dollar and dollar and five, that's only five cents.
Now, if you talk about that being billions and millions, then a person don't...
joe rogan
That's why I said up to a certain point, up to a certain amount of money.
donnell rawlings
Right.
joe rogan
I mean, after a while...
donnell rawlings
I agree with you.
joe rogan
Yeah.
It seems like it would be better for everybody.
And it would be better for us to not worry about what happens if you get sick because you don't know if you're going to be able to pay for it.
Sometimes people get hit with crazy medical bills after an unexpected injury or unexpected disease, time in the hospital.
They got a huge bill that they can't fucking pay.
It's real common that people go bankrupt because of that kind of shit.
donnell rawlings
And if you're entitled to it, you got to go get it.
I don't know, just, man, this whole COVID shit is so just, ugh.
I don't even know if that's a word.
joe rogan
It's just like, ugh.
donnell rawlings
You know, you go back and forth with it, but I think that if nothing we can do is like, we must agree there's no going back to normal.
joe rogan
Well, not until they come up with the vaccine.
And then even normal then, it's going to be normal that we realize that this happened.
And when I say vaccine, I'm not a pro.
It's not that I'm saying, we've got to take the first vaccine that comes down the road.
Don't worry about the microchip.
Let's not get crazy.
I'm saying a treatment, medicine, something that cures this fucking disease.
Just like they've cured every other disease.
donnell rawlings
They will.
joe rogan
Just like they've come up with treatments for polio or smallpox or all the other fucking diseases.
Leave it to the medical scientists.
Leave it to these people that study this shit.
They're gonna try to figure something out.
Once they do, whatever it is, if they can and once they do, then I hope we ease back into...
What life used to be like, but with an added knowing that this shit can go down.
donnell rawlings
Right, but until then?
joe rogan
Until then, the mask.
donnell rawlings
Not today, Rona.
joe rogan
Are you nervous?
unidentified
No.
joe rogan
Are you nervous about the future?
donnell rawlings
Uh-uh.
joe rogan
Good.
Beautiful.
donnell rawlings
The only thing I can do is be the best of me.
joe rogan
You're definitely not the best you with a mask on, so take that off.
donnell rawlings
I know.
I got to get ready for dinner, too, man.
joe rogan
Yo.
20 minutes.
In 20 minutes, you're going to get tested.
donnell rawlings
All right.
joe rogan
Excited?
donnell rawlings
I'm super excited.
I'm telling you, just like this, when you think about it, it's like, you don't even know a motherfucker that know a motherfucker that got a test.
joe rogan
Yeah.
donnell rawlings
You know what I'm saying?
It's like, And I know that that's definitely the direction we're going in because on the news, I've been seeing them like testing stations, testing stations.
But I don't know if everybody knows what's the system.
And then for what I hear on the news, whatever, don't go to the hospital.
Don't go.
But I guess going to the hospital and testing is different.
Don't do this unless you're feeling symptoms or feeling bad.
You know what I'm saying?
joe rogan
Yeah, I read this one article where this doctor was telling people there's so many people that come that don't have it, but then they go to the hospital in the waiting room and then they get it in there.
There's people that have the flu and they don't have coronavirus, but then they go and they get the coronavirus at the hospital while they're waiting around to find out if they got coronavirus.
donnell rawlings
Looks like they have a broken leg, Dane, trying to go to the hospital right now.
unidentified
I know.
joe rogan
No.
So my friend said it.
He goes, I'm not going to the hospital for a year.
I was like, really?
donnell rawlings
I told this dude the other day.
This dude, one of my friends was in the hospital.
And somebody said, I told him he was in the hospital.
I was like, man, fuck that.
My leg would be broke.
Fuck that.
Yep.
joe rogan
God damn.
donnell rawlings
We're going to get there, Joe.
joe rogan
I think we're going to get there.
I think we're going to figure this out.
You know, it's going to be a tragedy for a lot of us.
It's going to be bad for business.
It's going to be bad for restaurants and comedy clubs and everything else.
But at the end, I think we're going to emerge with a better understanding of the temporary nature of life, of our society.
And hopefully we'll be just cooler to each other.
That's what I'm hoping.
Like when I said I was into Bernie Sanders, what I'm into is someone that wants to look out for people that aren't doing as well.
And that this is something that we should all think of now.
donnell rawlings
But you don't fuck with Biden, Dodo.
You don't fuck with Biden?
That's what the streets say.
They say you don't fuck with Biden, son.
Somebody said, ask him about Biden, son.
I didn't know if he was fucking with Biden or not.
joe rogan
I think he's in some sort of a state of cognitive decline.
It's not my opinion.
It's a very common opinion.
It's not just my opinion.
You watch videos of him.
He's stammering.
He doesn't know what he's talking about.
And they're trying to ignore it.
And they would never ignore it.
If it was anybody else that they didn't agree with or they didn't enjoy.
And you watch the fact that they're not concerned that these people that are on these left-wing media shows aren't talking about this and about how important this is.
And the only people that are talking about it are people that are on these internet channels.
They're talking about him bringing it up because they're not beholden.
donnell rawlings
Motherfuckers just want to win.
joe rogan
They just want to win.
But they're worried about some important things.
They're worried about the Supreme Court.
They're worried about environmental laws.
He's laxed a lot of environmental laws that they feel should never be relaxed.
And then going into the second term, is he going to do even more crazy shit?
You know, there was something that just came out today, Jamie, see if you can find that.
It was lowering, it was for certain toxins that get released into the environment and mercury, lowering the standards.
So it was some huge issue with...
See if you can find it.
It was something about lowering the standards for mercury and other toxins that get released, I think, from factories, which is like, whoa, what are we...
You know, if that's what we're doing, are we really going to separate...
donnell rawlings
That was Biden's platform?
What was it?
joe rogan
This is Trump.
This is Trump.
This is the Trump administration.
The current administration did this.
And what does it say?
jamie vernon
It's behind the Washington Post paywall, but it says the EPA is going to change the rule for rule cutting mercury pollution.
This is February 17th.
It wasn't like today.
joe rogan
Oh, no.
This is a new article that was out just yesterday that I was reading that was talking about lowering the standards.
It was talking about in the middle of this coronavirus lockdown, they're lowering the standards for mercury and some other toxins.
jamie vernon
That's...
donnell rawlings
I didn't know no standards up.
I didn't know Mercury had standards.
joe rogan
Three hours ago.
EPA gutting rule credited with coal plant toxic air cleanup.
Yeah, see?
donnell rawlings
Fuck that.
What did that black dude do, man?
joe rogan
He catfished somebody.
Catfished a female on Snapchat to meet and rob victims.
unidentified
Oh, shit.
donnell rawlings
Motherfucker's going to get robbed live.
joe rogan
Look at this EPA shit.
Go back to that.
Hold on.
jamie vernon
It's thrown down.
joe rogan
Okay, sorry.
No, no, no.
Just let me read the title.
They gutted the rule credited with coal plant toxic air cleaner.
Clean up.
How the fuck do they even sell that to anybody?
Hey, I got an idea.
You know that shit that we did that would cause the earth to be healthier?
Yeah, fuck that, right?
Let's go back.
Let's go back to burning mercury.
The Trump administration is gutting an Obama-era rule that compelled coal plants to cut back emissions of mercury and other human health hazards, limiting future regulation of air pollutants by petroleum and coal plants.
That's just crazy that anybody would say yes to that.
That's one thing that we get to see is our impact on the environment right now.
Because if you look around at the pictures of Los Angeles from just two months ago versus now in terms of how much smog is there, that's a wake-up call.
donnell rawlings
I want to know what the black guy did, man.
joe rogan
He catfished someone and robbed them.
donnell rawlings
I mean, how did he get away with it, Joe?
joe rogan
He didn't.
That's why his picture's in the newspaper.
donnell rawlings
I didn't mean to interrupt, but I kept saying to black dude, I knew you were doing EPA. I was like, what the fuck did he do, stupid?
jamie vernon
Florida.
joe rogan
He did it in Florida.
Goddamn Florida.
Done out.
So it looks like we're supposed to do those dates in September now.
donnell rawlings
Really?
joe rogan
Yeah.
Supposedly.
Yeah, it's supposed to be September 4th and 5th.
donnell rawlings
I saw that.
But you know what?
Right now, this hasn't hit it.
Because...
The dates that I had in my book, right now I've been lucky enough to keep them on my calendar and just move them.
joe rogan
Move them, yeah.
donnell rawlings
So it looks like...
joe rogan
We're hoping we move them, right?
donnell rawlings
Yeah, we hope we move them.
But the next time you really feel comfortable thinking it's okay is probably like fall.
joe rogan
Right.
Hey, was that thing that I said about the Spanish flu, was that true?
Because we couldn't find the meme.
It wasn't on Charlemagne's page.
It was on someone else's.
donnell rawlings
Yeah, all that other shit was on Charlemagne's page.
joe rogan
I just wanted to know if that was true.
So the idea was that they were they they were tired they were celebrating the war and they were they broke the public distancing.
Who did?
This is in 1918 and then it start the second phase and what what the meme that I read said that it killed the second phase of the flu killed more people than the war did worldwide.
donnell rawlings
I'm flu storied out, man.
joe rogan
I'm too.
donnell rawlings
You know once we go back, oh my god, it's gonna be nothing but corona jokes.
joe rogan
Corona jokes are gonna be...
donnell rawlings
Quarantine?
They just gotta do a flip.
You gotta do something different.
joe rogan
It's gonna be so hard.
If you go on stage after three dudes, they're all gonna talk about the coronavirus.
donnell rawlings
They don't talk about the coronavirus.
unidentified
Yeah.
joe rogan
But then how can you not talk about the coronavirus?
donnell rawlings
I can.
I've...
It ain't the way I want to fight, but you know what I'm saying?
joe rogan
Michael Yeo gets first crack because he almost died.
We should probably have a moratorium.
donnell rawlings
And I got the next crack because we don't know.
I got the next crack.
joe rogan
We're going to find out in 12 minutes.
donnell rawlings
I got to go to the bathroom, bro.
joe rogan
Go ahead.
Let's wrap it up.
Let's wrap it up.
jamie vernon
I don't know if it was exactly the way it was explained in the meme.
I'll just leave it at that.
joe rogan
Okay, close enough.
donnell rawlings
And drank four bottles of water, this bitch.
joe rogan
I understand.
Bladders.
Donnell, thank you, sir.
Always a pleasure, my friend.
donnell rawlings
Man, what are we going to do?
joe rogan
What are we going to do?
donnell rawlings
I love you, man.
joe rogan
I love you too, brother.
donnell rawlings
I love you.
joe rogan
Thank you.
I love you too, Jamie.
I love you fuckers out there too.
donnell rawlings
Tell them to listen to my podcast, right?
joe rogan
Listen to the Donnell Rawlings show.
donnell rawlings
Yay.
joe rogan
Yes.
Bye, everybody.
donnell rawlings
All right.
Oh, man.
joe rogan
We did it.
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