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March 27, 2020 - The Joe Rogan Experience
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Joe Rogan Experience #1449 Bryan Callen
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unidentified
Yeehaw!
bryan callen
Here we are.
Are you a shooter?
Well, dude, my ears are covered for the second time today.
I'm just going to say that.
And I'm a...
Ask me that day and ask me if...
joe rogan
Are you a shooter?
bryan callen
That's funny.
I'm a tactical...
joe rogan
Are you an operator?
bryan callen
I'm a tactical shooter, bro.
I'm a tactical shooter.
joe rogan
So you ever done...
We went to Tarrant Tactical today and Brian Cowan learned the ins and outs.
bryan callen
Learned how to lean forward.
Had some Navy SEAL instruction as well.
unidentified
Yeah.
joe rogan
How to hold a pistol correctly.
bryan callen
Yeah.
joe rogan
How'd you feel?
bryan callen
I love it.
joe rogan
Fun, right?
bryan callen
I've been doing it in my head forever.
joe rogan
Oh, in your head.
bryan callen
Yeah.
joe rogan
That doesn't really work, does it?
bryan callen
I've rehearsed killing a gang many times.
A whole gang?
Sure.
Lean in.
Kick, kick, kick.
And I go like this.
joe rogan
Why don't you shoot them in the knee and rehabilitate them?
bryan callen
Oh, that's such a good idea.
Because they don't have knee targets.
If they had just a bunch of knees.
joe rogan
But they have little tiny targets on the ground.
Which I don't like.
Because I'm like, what am I shooting, babies?
bryan callen
I was going to say, they're the size of a toddler.
joe rogan
Yeah, that's weird.
bryan callen
I'm like, alright, so I've got to kill the toddler with one shot.
joe rogan
A kid with a missile.
bryan callen
Yeah, I was pretty accurate with that.
That's kind of sick.
But, yeah, that's a good idea.
I could either waste them or wing them.
I wing them.
joe rogan
And then take them in and teach them the error of their ways.
bryan callen
Yeah.
joe rogan
And at the end, they'll be loyal to you.
bryan callen
I toss them an herbal remedy, an herbal...
Rap.
joe rogan
Like Steven Seagal had in that one movie where he was in a coma for like 10 years and then he was kicking everybody's ass a couple days later.
bryan callen
I don't care what everybody says, that shit was factual.
joe rogan
Do you remember that movie?
bryan callen
Very well.
joe rogan
It's called Above the Law.
No, no, no.
You're way out of line.
No, Above the Law was the first movie.
bryan callen
Yeah.
joe rogan
This was deep into his career.
bryan callen
He's in a coma.
Kelly LeBrock is the nurse.
joe rogan
Yeah, he had already gotten fat by this time.
bryan callen
Oh, he had.
joe rogan
Yeah, yeah, yeah.
bryan callen
That's where he ran terribly.
joe rogan
He always runs terribly.
bryan callen
Yeah.
joe rogan
But in the early movies, he was skinny.
And above the law, he was skinny.
bryan callen
Yeah.
joe rogan
But then by the time he got to this other movie where he's in a coma forever, like, look at his fingers moving.
He's waking up.
unidentified
Look.
bryan callen
Awesome beard.
joe rogan
Actually, he wasn't too fat.
bryan callen
No.
joe rogan
Wasn't too fat.
bryan callen
He looks great there.
joe rogan
But he'd already, you know, started to fill in his hair.
And so then he was in a coma forever and then gets out of the coma.
bryan callen
Remember it very well.
joe rogan
And starts doing all sorts of Chinese herbs and shit to become a bad...
Oh, see, he was pretty skinny back then.
bryan callen
Yeah, he was.
unidentified
Loved it.
joe rogan
So this was early in the career.
bryan callen
Yeah, he heals himself.
I would throw them an herbal wrap and tell them how to wrap it and then say, training begins tomorrow at dawn.
joe rogan
And then you wake them up.
bryan callen
Yeah.
joe rogan
Hey, man, fuck you.
Fuck you.
bryan callen
Fuck you.
And I'd be on horseback for no reason.
joe rogan
Really?
bryan callen
I think so.
joe rogan
You and horses.
bryan callen
Because there's something very masculine.
joe rogan
How many bits do you have when you're on a horse?
bryan callen
It's my entire act.
unidentified
Yeah.
bryan callen
It's my entire act.
There are a couple things I want to do before I die.
One is to toss somebody an herbal wrap and say, training begins tomorrow, or be there tomorrow, and I want to rehabilitate at-risk youth.
But they're like 20. And then I want to rear up on a horse.
I want to rear up on a horse.
But I want to appear out of nowhere, rear up on a horse, and rescue a group of women in the wilderness.
joe rogan
A group of women in the wilderness?
What are they in the wilderness for?
bryan callen
They got lost.
joe rogan
Were they hikers?
bryan callen
They were...
Their plane went down.
Nobody got hurt, but it skidded along a glacial lake.
joe rogan
Their plane went down?
bryan callen
Yeah.
Skidded.
And they said, we can't find them.
It's impenetrable.
unidentified
It's so elaborate.
bryan callen
It's impenetrable.
joe rogan
And then you go in...
bryan callen
And they go, fuck.
unidentified
Fetch...
Fetch the...
bryan callen
Fuck.
Fetch the man panther.
joe rogan
The man panther?
bryan callen
Yeah, yeah, yeah.
That's my nickname.
joe rogan
Do you know about this guy?
His name is Dick Pronicke.
And he was a guy who lived in Alaska by himself in a cabin that he built for decades.
bryan callen
Yeah.
joe rogan
And he moved out there when he was 50 years old.
He got tired of life.
And just the way everything was, the fast pace of modern life.
So this guy decided, this guy, amazing videos on YouTube.
This guy built his own house out there in Alaska, fashioned it out of logs.
There's like a video of him doing the whole thing.
Filmed everything.
Filmed all of his interactions with animals.
Birds would come and land on his hand and he would feed them.
Oh, yeah.
He was you.
He literally is you.
Stoic by himself and wrote.
bryan callen
You know me.
Stoic and real solitary.
unidentified
Oh, yeah.
joe rogan
And, you know, real measured with his words.
Of course.
It's everything you want to be.
And he would sit and every night he would write.
And he would write about his experiences and the deep satisfaction that he got off of living that kind of a life.
There's some amazing videos.
Pull up one of the videos so you can watch how this guy's living his life out there.
But, you know, he would only see people like once or twice a year when they would drop off goods and things that he needed.
But this guy was, you know, he wasn't a spring chicken.
He moved out there when he was in his 50s.
bryan callen
Wow.
joe rogan
Yeah.
bryan callen
And when was this?
joe rogan
I want to say he had to move back with his brother, I want to say in the early 2000s, somewhere around then.
bryan callen
That looks like 16mm film.
Yeah.
joe rogan
Oh, dude, he lived out there for decades, like I said.
unidentified
Wow.
joe rogan
Yeah, by himself.
bryan callen
You've got to know your shit.
To be out there by yourself?
unidentified
Uh-huh.
joe rogan
Well, I think most of it he learned.
Once he got there and he talked about it, he talked about what the experience was like about just, you know, learning how fatiguing it is to hike.
bryan callen
Oh yeah.
joe rogan
Learning how fatiguing it is to gather up your own firewood.
And he made most of his own tools.
Like right there he's making a mallet himself.
He drills a hole in it with a hand auger.
And then he makes his own peg.
And he only brought in tools to make tools.
And the big tools like that he made all of himself.
bryan callen
That's amazing.
unidentified
Dude!
bryan callen
And what did he live on?
Just deer meat?
Yeah.
joe rogan
Elk meat, deer meat, berries.
He got some oatmeal and stuff.
You know, some dry goods that he would get in large barrels.
bryan callen
So he'd come in and touch base periodically.
joe rogan
They would come to him.
People would fly out to him with goods.
bryan callen
God.
joe rogan
But, I mean, he built all this shit by himself.
He built his whole cabin by himself.
And he documented every step of the way.
bryan callen
Amazing.
joe rogan
His name is P-R-O-E-N-N-E-K-E. Dick Prenike, Alone in the Wilderness, is the whole series on YouTube.
And he's on the side of a lake with this cabin that he built, living off of...
Animals that he hunted and firewood and, you know, whatever food that he gathered.
bryan callen
I'm obsessed with this now.
This corona thing caught me with my pants down.
Here's what I want.
I want a substantial cabin made of thick logs or stone, and then I want it near a lake or a water source, preferably a well, that I can irrigate my own crops.
joe rogan
You're going to have crops?
bryan callen
I'm going to have chicken.
I need chickens.
joe rogan
You really only need a garden.
You don't need crops.
bryan callen
It's just you.
I need a garden.
joe rogan
Is it just you?
bryan callen
Yes.
Well, it might be me and several of my lady friends because I'm going to start my own colony so I have to breed.
You understand?
joe rogan
Okay.
bryan callen
I need a lot of hair and beard dye because I want to stay looking young.
joe rogan
What if they come up with something that reverses you in age?
bryan callen
Now you're talking my language.
How old would you like to go back to?
David Sinclair will actually have a cabin on the side.
joe rogan
He'd be right next to you doing experiments.
bryan callen
I'm gonna have his fucking lab and I'm gonna be his guinea pig.
joe rogan
Yeah, you'd be the guy.
bryan callen
Yeah.
David, come out.
Come on out.
And I'll just do Tyson.
I'll entice him with all the girls.
joe rogan
Well, he's not into that.
He's a married man.
Leave him alone.
unidentified
All right.
joe rogan
But he'd like to come out just to hang out and pal around for a few days.
He's a fun guy.
bryan callen
He seems like a good guy.
joe rogan
He's a great guy.
bryan callen
Yeah.
joe rogan
And he's brilliant.
And he's brilliant in the field.
That's very important.
bryan callen
What do you mean?
joe rogan
You're getting old.
bryan callen
That's right.
joe rogan
Yeah.
bryan callen
That's right.
joe rogan
You want to be Dick Prenicke where you had to escape your wilderness paradise because you're too old?
bryan callen
There are a couple things.
One more thing I want to do is I want to split with my shirt off while I have women watch me through the window of my log cabin as they're baking me a pie.
Now, I know this is a chauvinistic fantasy.
joe rogan
It sounds like it.
bryan callen
Don't worry.
joe rogan
You sound like a real piece of shit right now.
bryan callen
The other thing I want to do before I die is I want to have a horse I'm so attached to that I can go...
And then it just shows up.
joe rogan
Sort of like Brad Pitt's Pitbull in Once Upon a Time in Hollywood?
bryan callen
Correct.
I'd kill for one of those.
joe rogan
That Pitbull was perfect.
bryan callen
That was fucking great.
That thing just fucking...
joe rogan
It knew what to do, when to do it.
bryan callen
Yeah.
Yeah.
They don't use...
The cops, I heard, don't use Mastiffs, even Rottweilers, because they do too much damage.
unidentified
They don't let go.
bryan callen
Yeah.
joe rogan
They don't like to let go.
bryan callen
Then you get a major lawsuit on your hand.
You can't have something bite your fucking hand off.
joe rogan
Well, I was watching a fucking video of a guy in San Diego who got arrested by these cops, and the cops couldn't get the German Shepherd off his arm.
unidentified
Whew.
joe rogan
The German Shepherds clamp down this guy's forearm, this guy's screaming, and they're pulling on the dog, and the dog's pulling on the meat of his arm.
unidentified
You gotta choke the dog.
bryan callen
You don't pull on the dog.
joe rogan
Bro, they weren't interested in choking the dog.
Apparently they thought this guy was a bad person, and they were letting this dog chew this guy's arm up, and you get permanent nerve damage.
bryan callen
Oh, yeah.
joe rogan
I mean, it's just devastating to the tissue in your forearm.
bryan callen
I've seen video of it where I said to the cop, he showed it to me, I said, why didn't that guy, who's this giant AWOL, he went AWOL, just giant, he used to be a special forces guy, and he just went crazy.
And they let that dog loose on, because they had two cops that he was fighting off, and they let this wolf, this fucking wolf loose, and grabbed the dude on the top of his arm.
He had huge arms, like Brennan Schaub, like big arms.
Grabbed The guy just, in the middle of his craze, he looked at the dog and then just went, he froze and went down.
And I said, why isn't he punching?
And he goes, because you shut down.
Because when he bit that arm, that arm went numb.
You can't use that arm.
That's a fucking wolf.
joe rogan
The pain.
The excruciating pain of a German Shepherd biting into your arm.
bryan callen
Yeah.
Not good.
joe rogan
Or a real wolf.
bryan callen
Well, now you've got a problem.
joe rogan
You can't train them.
bryan callen
Now you've got yourself a problem.
joe rogan
They're not interested in listening.
bryan callen
They're not interested in listening.
joe rogan
Good luck getting a wolf to attack.
bryan callen
I'll tell you who's not hearing a fucking peep out of a wolf, and I'm talking about a timber wolf.
Not a peep.
joe rogan
Who?
bryan callen
It's Mr. Mountain Lion.
Okay?
joe rogan
I wonder how that works, mountain lions versus a wolf.
bryan callen
I'll tell you exactly how.
Ready?
joe rogan
Yeah.
bryan callen
The wolf dies.
joe rogan
Really?
bryan callen
That's right.
joe rogan
Have you seen it?
bryan callen
There's a video of it, first of all.
joe rogan
Really?
bryan callen
Yep.
joe rogan
Mountain lion versus a wolf.
bryan callen
Mountain lion's on his back, by the way.
Wolf tries to get over it, and mountain lion gets under the old jawline.
joe rogan
Oh, gets the neck.
unidentified
Yeah.
bryan callen
And by the way, God holds on with those...
joe rogan
Claws.
bryan callen
That's right.
joe rogan
They have claws.
unidentified
Yeah.
bryan callen
And it's more athletic.
It's 150 pound, 140 pound, 130 pound mountain lion.
Good luck with that.
joe rogan
And they fight solo, they don't need a bunch of pussies backing you up.
bryan callen
And they go low.
They go fucking low.
joe rogan
Like a lion.
bryan callen
And there's no sound.
joe rogan
There's a great video of a water buffalo charging a lion, a male lion, and the male lion literally waits until the water buffalo is closed in the distance and then ducks under and grabs ahold of it by the neck and just hangs on.
unidentified
Wow.
joe rogan
Actually, it might not have been a water buffalo.
It might have been something else.
bryan callen
It was a cow.
joe rogan
Some other rugged animal.
It was a rugged animal.
bryan callen
Yeah.
joe rogan
I forget which animal it was, but the animal makes a rush at the lion like, hey, fuck you.
And the lion's like, no, fuck you.
bryan callen
One of the problems when you have a game reserve is that if you have a Prada Lions, you are going to pay so much money keeping that reserve stocked because a Prada Lions goes through crazy amounts of meat every single day, every other day.
So they will decimate.
They'll go through a whole herd of buffalo.
joe rogan
Well, that was an issue after the dentist shot that line with a name.
bryan callen
Yeah.
joe rogan
Remember that line with a name?
unidentified
Cecil.
joe rogan
Cecil.
And then, do you know that they were worried that Cecil's brother Jericho was killed?
But no worries.
It was a line that didn't have a name, so...
So close.
Literally, I read an article that we're being serious about that.
They're being serious.
There was a real concern that Cecil's brother Jericho had also been killed, but turned out not to be true.
bryan callen
It drives me nuts.
joe rogan
It's the real Lion King.
Anyway, when they killed that lion, when that dentist killed that lion, well, they then after that had this thing, this international outcry where nobody wanted to go there and hunt lions because they didn't want to be the next guy that gets targeted like that dentist.
So because of that, they had to slaughter a large number of lions.
I'm sure.
bryan callen
People don't have any idea what it is to sustain.
joe rogan
The number was crazy.
It was something like, I don't remember if it was 50 or 500. Yeah.
But it was like they had to kill them, and instead of getting $50,000 per lion, like they're accustomed to getting when people, because they have all these lions, the lions had decimated the undulate population.
Of course.
Because no one was killing the lions anymore.
bryan callen
It's like elephants.
So now, with elephants, you can't move one member of the herd or two members.
Elephants have to be moved as a herd, otherwise they go nuts, right?
So the females rule the roost, but you can't just take three elephants from that herd and then move them over to the game.
You've got to take them all, otherwise they really get fucked up.
joe rogan
Yeah, they love each other.
bryan callen
They love each other.
But then also when you call elephants, which you have to do in Kruger National Park and things like that.
Why do they have to?
Because they get too destructive.
They just get too many of them and they just lay waste to the vegetation.
It just becomes an imbalance.
So the problem is that they were like, you can't shoot them from helicopters anymore or jeeps or whatever.
And they would kill the whole herd because you can't just kill a couple.
Right?
Because they go nuts.
joe rogan
And then they can't do anything with the ivory because the ivory trade's illegal.
bryan callen
Correct.
So then they store that.
So then you jack up the price of ivory, which they do the same thing with rhino horn.
But so what now they try to do is they try to sterilize the females, right?
They'll try to...
unidentified
Oh, great.
bryan callen
Good luck with that.
That's a lot of fun.
joe rogan
Yeah.
bryan callen
That's really difficult to do as well.
joe rogan
You know, they were trying to do that in the Hamptons.
They were trying to do that with deer.
They were trying to give the female deer birth control.
Just let the men fucking shoot dead loads into them.
bryan callen
Yeah, go ahead and shoot the deer.
I'll eat them.
joe rogan
Well, that's what they should do.
bryan callen
Yeah.
joe rogan
Yeah.
I mean, but they didn't.
They decided for whatever goofy reason that what they were going to do is try to give them birth control.
And they were going to spend countless amounts of dollars to get birth control into deer.
unidentified
Jesus.
joe rogan
What are you gonna do?
Do you know how many there are?
Apparently they're infested out there.
bryan callen
After watching Tiger King, what is your take on keeping tigers as pets?
joe rogan
It's ridiculous.
First of all, I only watched one half of one episode.
I had a pause.
Jamie and I were getting NAD IV drips, which is pretty fucking amazing.
What is NAD? That's the stuff that David Sinclair was talking about.
bryan callen
Well, let's get old Bri on the NAD train.
joe rogan
Old Bri might be a little cheap.
It's expensive.
bryan callen
Yeah?
joe rogan
Yeah, it costs a pretty penny.
bryan callen
I want to live forever.
joe rogan
Okay.
We'll talk afterwards.
bryan callen
Okay.
joe rogan
I don't know.
I've done two, and I feel pretty good.
You feel any different, Jamie?
unidentified
Yeah.
I can probably say I feel pretty good, especially just sitting around inside.
joe rogan
Yeah, but it feels like the second one really took it over the top.
bryan callen
What does it do?
joe rogan
I have more energy.
I feel like really vibrant.
I feel great.
But it's hard to tell.
What does that mean?
bryan callen
I don't know.
joe rogan
I'm sleeping eight hours a day.
I'm staying at home with my family.
I'm not traveling on the road.
You know, I mean, it's like, how am I sure this is it?
But apparently, scientifically, it's provable.
bryan callen
Right.
joe rogan
Lengthens your telomeres.
It actually decreases your biological age.
bryan callen
Wow.
joe rogan
It's been proven, David Sinclair said that NAD, HGH, and there was one other, DHEA, those three things in combination have been shown to reverse your biological age.
unidentified
Wow.
joe rogan
Yeah.
Crazy.
So I'm like, look, while this shit's going down, I want to keep my immune system at fucking tip-top magoo, as Joey Diaz would say.
bryan callen
Tip-top magoo.
unidentified
One of the greatest Joey Diaz expressions ever.
joe rogan
But it's just one of those things where there's a few different scientific advances that they can absolutely show that will decrease your biological age and show that there's an increase in your vitality, your ability to recover, all these different things.
So I'm getting in on all that.
bryan callen
Well, in the Tiger King, back to that, you know, he had 227 tigers as pets.
Seems like a good number.
They live in a fucking cage.
joe rogan
Yeah.
bryan callen
And then he had chimps.
Chimps should never be kept in a cage.
I don't give a fuck what anybody says.
No.
joe rogan
Yeah.
bryan callen
So there's certain things I just don't think should be...
If it's a professional zoo like San Diego and they have habitat...
I agree.
joe rogan
Even then it's disturbing.
bryan callen
But at least kids get to see them and it educates, you know, the general population.
But when you've got 10,000 tigers as pets...
joe rogan
Yeah.
bryan callen
I don't know, man.
joe rogan
Do you remember my bit from Triggered from 2016?
bryan callen
I loved your original Tiger bit.
joe rogan
Oh, I've said so many Tiger bits.
bryan callen
One of the greatest bits ever.
You can make the argument for two Tigers fucking was one of the greatest bits ever.
You should do it You should do that fucking bit.
joe rogan
I don't think that bit is on anything.
bryan callen
That's crazy.
You should do that bit.
You should revive that bit.
And you should tape it and you should put it out there.
Let me say it again.
I know comedy is doing this a long time.
It is...
Top three bits of all time.
joe rogan
That's very nice of you.
But it is!
I think it might be on an audio recording.
bryan callen
God, it was the first time I saw that we were at the comedy store.
joe rogan
Oh, it's on I'm Gonna Be Dead Someday.
That bit gets destroyed in the audio version.
bryan callen
You gotta see the fucking visual.
You have to see the visual.
Dude, when you're making the noises...
joe rogan
That was the first bit that I ever did where I realized, like, you have to kind of become the thing.
bryan callen
Yeah.
joe rogan
Like, you got to become the thing.
Like, I would make noises, like, try to be me still, but then I realized, like, oh, I just got to become like a tiger fucking.
bryan callen
That's what I love about certain bits.
Like, for me, I do this thing about having an abusive father who was a piano teacher.
Don't ask.
And I talk about his mustache.
The bristles were so thick, they belonged on the back of a boar, not under a man's nose.
And I go into this whole character, and I love to lose myself into that character.
When I do that English supervillain, it's so fun to get lost in that character.
joe rogan
Because you can think like that person.
That must be the appeal of a guy like a Daniel Day-Lewis.
Of course.
Someone who can really encapsulate.
They do something where they become that.
They become that.
And some people never do that.
They're just always acting.
Like, oh, here's that guy acting in a movie.
I know who he is.
There he's acting.
And then some people just become.
bryan callen
Jeffrey Tambor, who's won a bunch of Emmys for Transparency, he said that for him it was about shoes.
He'd have to figure out what kind of shoes.
He'd have to feel it first in his feet, which makes sense.
When you wear sneakers or you wear leather-soled shoes, you feel different.
You're not as secure in leather-soled shoes.
You automatically become more formal when your toes are pushed together, when you're constrained like that.
It's a weird thing to think, but it does change you.
joe rogan
Yeah, you can't even move good in other sold shoes.
They're slippery.
bryan callen
Correct.
So if you see people...
I can tell a lot about somebody by their footwear.
If they're wearing sandals, typically I can tell you what their political vent is.
Those are dad sneakers.
I don't give a fuck.
Game over.
And I do what I want in Joe Rogan shoes.
joe rogan
You don't know Chuck's shit.
bryan callen
No, I like them.
joe rogan
These are trail runners.
bryan callen
I know what they are.
joe rogan
What are they?
bryan callen
They're trail runners.
joe rogan
These are Solomons.
bryan callen
They're excellent shoes.
joe rogan
Speed cross.
bryan callen
I know all about them because I almost bought them for...
joe rogan
You run hills with these.
See that?
bryan callen
When we were going to go hunting with Rinella, I know all about those shoes.
joe rogan
Is your traction?
bryan callen
They're awesome.
joe rogan
It says tread.
bryan callen
Yeah.
joe rogan
So if you're going to go up like...
Slippery terrain.
This gives you grip.
bryan callen
I run trails, bro.
But also you're like, I don't care, and I'll just wear those.
joe rogan
There's a little bit of that.
Also, there's no shoelaces.
bryan callen
Correct.
joe rogan
So I go like this.
I cinch them tight.
bryan callen
Yep.
joe rogan
And then I put it in here.
bryan callen
Very easy.
joe rogan
I tuck it in there.
unidentified
Yay!
joe rogan
And you can go to the airport real easy with these on, too.
bryan callen
You know who's never getting caught with those?
You know who's never getting caught with those?
joe rogan
Brian Carroll?
bryan callen
Nope.
I'll do it.
I don't give a fuck.
Brennan Schaub.
joe rogan
No, no chance.
I showed him to him once and he almost threw up.
bryan callen
Yes.
Yes.
joe rogan
I wear these all the time.
bryan callen
He can't handle it.
unidentified
Yeah.
joe rogan
I wear these.
I wear chucks.
bryan callen
Yeah.
joe rogan
But if I'm doing anything in dirt, they're like a middle ground between wearing a boot.
Yeah.
They're great.
I wear them hunting sometimes.
bryan callen
Yeah.
I looked at those for hunting.
joe rogan
Yeah.
A lot of guys in elk hunting in particular, because you're so mobile, you're constantly chasing these massive herds and you're moving around and going through...
You have to come elk hunting with me.
You've never been elk hunting.
bryan callen
I need the meat.
joe rogan
That's disturbing to me.
Well, I have plenty of meat for you.
I have the meat for you.
bryan callen
Listen, you've seen me shoot.
You've seen me how I lean into my targets.
unidentified
Just a couple hours ago.
joe rogan
You seem like you were born for it.
bryan callen
Not only that, I go, get down!
Notice how I said that?
Oh, you didn't hear that?
joe rogan
I had earplugs in, though.
bryan callen
Oh, I was on radio.
unidentified
Get down.
joe rogan
Also, you say things in a way that only people around you can hear.
bryan callen
That's true.
joe rogan
You have the right amount of projection so the enemy never hears you.
bryan callen
I speak cryptically.
Andy Stumpf, I did his podcast and he had me, he wanted to see what kind of a tactical asshole I am.
And he had me watch, you know, film.
joe rogan
Oh, wearing a shirt.
bryan callen
Oh yeah.
Cleared Hot.
joe rogan
He was on last week.
bryan callen
Great podcast.
joe rogan
I love him.
bryan callen
The best.
The best.
And he had me look at different movie scenes and break down what was wrong.
I was wrong all...
I was completely wrong about everything.
I thought that when you shot a gun with a suppressor, it was like...
joe rogan
No, it's pretty loud.
unidentified
Pretty loud.
joe rogan
You've never shot a gun with a suppressor?
bryan callen
I have, actually, in Utah.
It's loud.
I was wearing earphones, so I couldn't...
joe rogan
But it's nothing like a rifle.
No.
When we were hunting in Prince of Wales, I had that gun with a muzzle brake.
bryan callen
So loud.
joe rogan
Yeah, it's a 7mm Remington Ultramag.
It's a very loud gun.
bryan callen
Dude, that's so loud outside it can hurt you.
They say if you...
They say if you're too close to that, you can damage your ears permanently.
joe rogan
100%.
Yeah.
One of my friends, there was a guy who shot near him, shot too close to his ear.
He's a guide.
And this guy apparently went to swing.
The animal was close by.
He's here.
The animal's close by.
Something happened where he shot really close to his head and blew his ears out.
Now he only has hearing aids.
bryan callen
Damn!
joe rogan
He has to wear hearing aids.
bryan callen
Because that rifle, the trigger is so sensitive.
joe rogan
It's unbelievable.
Yeah, the idea is they don't want you to pull in hard.
But different people have different theories on that.
It's the same with archery.
With archery, some people like a very sensitive trigger, and some people like a trigger that's very hard to pull so that you can't just jerk on it.
Because you have to pull, pull, pull, pull, bang, and then it goes off.
You know, like...
When you shoot archery, it's very interesting, but you would think, like say if you have like a wrist strap with a trigger on it, you would think that when you draw back you go like that.
bryan callen
Yeah.
joe rogan
But you would use your finger to hit the trigger, but you actually don't.
Some people do.
Some people actually can do and shoot.
Cam Haynes does it that way.
Shoots very well that way, but Cam Haynes is a psychopath.
He's a different human being.
Most people, there's something about that thing that starts a flinch, an anticipation flinch.
It doesn't with him, but some people, they get a thing called target panic.
So to get away from target panic, what they do is, instead of pulling the trigger, you wrap your finger around the trigger, and the trigger's stiff.
And then you use your back muscles.
So then you aim and you go like this.
You just pull with your back muscles and it goes off without you even moving your finger.
So once I would hook my finger on it, my finger's in place and then I'm just pulling and pop!
It goes off.
bryan callen
Oh, that's nice.
joe rogan
Yeah.
bryan callen
Is it a crossbow?
Does it have more range?
joe rogan
A crossbow is basically a shitty gun.
bryan callen
It is.
joe rogan
Just get a gun.
bryan callen
Yeah.
joe rogan
What are you doing?
You're not an archer.
bryan callen
No.
joe rogan
What are you doing?
You got a shitty gun.
bryan callen
It's a shitty gun.
joe rogan
You think you're in Walking Dead?
Are you that guy with the motorcycle?
bryan callen
Personally, yes.
joe rogan
Listen, that whole Walking Dead thing is so fraught with peril.
First of all, how come there's no pass-throughs?
You're shooting into these mushy zombie heads.
It goes right in there.
Why doesn't it blow out the other side?
bryan callen
Yeah.
It would, wouldn't it?
joe rogan
Fuck yeah!
It would blow through an elk.
bryan callen
Really?
joe rogan
Yes!
Jesus Christ.
unidentified
100%.
joe rogan
Those things are going fucking 500 feet a second.
bryan callen
Which is why I told Andy Stumpf the Special Forces should have a crossbow division.
joe rogan
They should.
Not.
They should not.
But also, he doesn't even have real tips.
Those crossbows, they're using field tips.
It's basically a pencil point.
It's like poking you and making a hole in you.
It's not going to kill you.
bryan callen
Oh, what do you mean?
unidentified
The crossbow?
joe rogan
The crossbow's not going to kill you with those tips on it.
It's a little hole.
It'll make a little pencil hole that'll go through you.
And your body would seal up the wound.
bryan callen
Is that true?
joe rogan
Yes!
bryan callen
So you could shoot me with a crossbow with one of those arrows?
joe rogan
You'd be fucked up, but you would live.
bryan callen
Huh.
Unless it was in my heart.
joe rogan
Yeah, that would probably kill you.
But like one of your lungs, you'd probably live.
But if you shot someone with a crossbow that had a real broadhead on it, the broadhead would slice you wide open like a samurai sword right through your whole body.
Yeah, that's what it's like.
bryan callen
So easy to kill.
Why are human beings so easy to kill?
joe rogan
Well, because we're smart.
We have nuclear weapons.
bryan callen
True.
joe rogan
That's how nature balances it out, right?
Turtles are stupid as fuck.
That's why they have that awesome cage over their whole body.
unidentified
It's true.
bryan callen
It's true.
That's what it is.
joe rogan
Look, there's a balance to things.
And we respect that balance.
And we also, we want that balance to exist in everything.
That's why if we see a hot girl, we want her to be stupid.
bryan callen
Correct.
joe rogan
That's why.
Correct.
People get caught with their pants down when you think a hot girl is stupid and she turns out to be very intelligent.
Perhaps more intelligent than you.
bryan callen
Well, speaking of that, when I saw that we met the director of John Wick today.
joe rogan
Yes.
bryan callen
And he's a handsome, athletic-looking fella.
joe rogan
He's a good-looking guy.
bryan callen
He doesn't look like a director.
unidentified
No.
bryan callen
He used to be a stuntman.
He was a kickboxer and a Muay Thai guy.
But he used to be Keanu Reeves' stunt double, I guess.
joe rogan
Yeah.
bryan callen
But I looked at him and I was like, well, this dude looks like a stud.
He's kind of like a silvery...
Fox.
He's getting older.
He's like our age.
But I thought to myself, the guy looks like a real athlete.
He must be a...
joe rogan
He's definitely fit.
bryan callen
Meanwhile, a fucking...
A big director.
joe rogan
Yeah, and he comes there and shoots all the time.
bryan callen
All the time.
He said twice a week.
joe rogan
Dude, it's such a great thing to have.
And it's also really fun.
It's like...
You're shooting metal targets and everything like that.
It's just...
But it's fun.
It's the same thing with archery.
It's the same thing with a lot of stuff that you have to focus on.
You focus and then you execute.
And if you do it properly, there's sort of the meditative aspect to it, which sounds crazy to say that shooting guns with earplugs on it is very meditative.
bryan callen
It's very.
joe rogan
Yeah, there is.
bryan callen
Because it's like anything else.
I like getting comfortable and familiar with things that scare me.
I like getting comfortable and familiar with violence.
I actually do.
What I mean?
Yeah, because whether it's hunting, whether it's boxing, whether it's jiu-jitsu, I like working at those things and putting myself in uncomfortable positions.
Because when you go to a shooting range, like it's your first time with me with that kind of tactical thing, it's always going to be a little uncomfortable because you're the new guy.
You don't know what the fuck you're doing.
You don't know how to unload a magazine.
It's just going to be mechanical and there's going to be a process.
But there's something about being in this strange location with those loud noise that you can become very familiar with and pretty soon you get good at that shit.
And now you're actually, you don't look like a complete idiot.
At least you can kind of like start to, you know, be familiar with that language.
I think that's, personally for me, I think that shit's important.
joe rogan
Well, it's important to—it'll definitely make you less scared.
One of the weirdest things is watching an altercation break out and then watching men get scared, like men who don't know how to defend themselves or men that are not used to being around violence getting scared.
bryan callen
That's right.
joe rogan
Yeah.
bryan callen
And that's going to happen.
It's exactly like getting punched in the face.
If you're not boxing and getting hit, I promise you, I don't care who you are, when you get hit, you just get jabbed, what you're going to do is you're going to look down and you're going to bring your hands to your face.
That's what you're going to do.
You're going to go, oh shit, boom!
joe rogan
Or you're going to do this.
bryan callen
Or that.
And then you're, yeah.
And it's not until you really practice whatever it is that you can see and kind of, you know, I'm not saying I'm there, but you're at least less likely to put yourself in a position of danger.
It's exactly like with jujitsu, right?
When you grab somebody, what do they do?
I've grabbed boxers who've never had any wrestling.
Great boxers.
joe rogan
They turn.
bryan callen
They turn their back.
I was showing my friend how he's a great boxer, but I was showing him how vulnerable he is.
Even an idiot like me grabs him.
Grabbed him, took him to the ground, and I put a body locker on his body.
And what did he do?
He reached down for my ankles.
So I went, oh, here you go.
And I just went, you see what happens?
Anybody would do that.
joe rogan
Well, I think it's good just to learn because it's difficult and because it tests you emotionally and physically.
And even the shooting stuff does, especially because we're around these guys who are, you know, Taren's a real world-class competitive shooter.
And he's showing us his stuff and then we go to do it.
It looks so awkward and goofy.
Like when you put yourself in a situation where you suck at something, it's really good for you.
It's good to suck at things and try to get better at them.
Anything, whatever it is, whether it's learning how to play chess, whether it's Whatever it is, learning how to do something, learning how to play tennis, whatever the fuck it is, when you learn how to do something and you suck at it at first and you have to concentrate on getting better, that thing of getting better translates to other aspects of your life.
And it's a skill.
Getting better at stuff is a skill.
It doesn't mean that because you're good at archery, you'll be good at learning how to play the piano.
But if you can get good at learning how to play the piano, you can get good at archery.
unidentified
Yes.
joe rogan
Because there's a thing in there of learning how to learn.
bryan callen
Well, so learning how to learn a lot of times is as simple as once you learn how to do one thing well.
That's why one thing informs the other.
I think what happens is if you're in a new situation like we were today, you get better.
At least I'm better at getting out of my own way.
Yeah.
You get better at not overthinking.
You get better at relaxing.
It's the same.
A lot of times, it's the same body position.
It's the same weight distribution.
Sometimes it's very similar.
A lot of these things, they're similar language, but mainly they're also a similar mindset.
You just put yourself in that softer beginner's mind, that idea of just open up.
Open your mind and just let it come to you.
joe rogan
Well, it's also accepting that you don't know things.
A lot of men, in particular, are really bad at learning stuff because they want to think that they know already.
So even when you tell them stuff, they want to think, no, yeah, I got it, I got it.
bryan callen
Problem solvers.
Well, because men are natural problem solvers.
I have a joke about that where I say, I don't know anything about cars.
Nothing.
But if there's a woman on the side of the road with her hood up looking at her engine, I'll make suggestions.
And I've done that.
I'll be like, well, check the...
Spark plug!
joe rogan
Well today, with engines, good luck.
No one knows what's going on in there.
You ever see what it looks like when they open up a brand new 992 of 2020 Porsche?
No.
Pull up, opening up the hood on a 2020 Porsche.
It's the most ridiculous thing ever.
bryan callen
Really?
joe rogan
You have no idea what anything is.
God.
bryan callen
Even someone like you who knows a lot about cars.
joe rogan
I have no idea what's in there.
I have no idea.
Technology.
You can't even see anything.
You get this much of a view.
bryan callen
What?
joe rogan
To the end in.
Oh, yeah.
The view into when you open up the back, because it's a rear-engine car, a Porsche was probably one of the most sophisticated, technologically advanced cars ever built, right?
Because they've been refining the design since the 1960s.
Pop up the rear trunk and look inside at the engine.
Or it's not trunk, it's the hood, whatever.
Look inside at the engine.
You don't know what the fuck that is.
It's two fans.
You see two fans.
bryan callen
Jesus.
joe rogan
That's what you see.
You see two fans.
bryan callen
Jesus.
joe rogan
Yeah, what's going on there?
I don't know.
I better take it to a place with computers.
bryan callen
Well, you need software, right?
You need software to tune it up and all that shit?
joe rogan
Yeah, you have no idea.
Literally, they have to plug a machine into it which analyzes the system.
And then the machine's going, hey, this is fucked, and that's fucked, and this is falling apart.
bryan callen
When are they going to do that with?
joe rogan
People.
bryan callen
Yeah.
joe rogan
Soon.
bryan callen
Really?
unidentified
Yeah.
bryan callen
You have inside info.
joe rogan
Well, here's the problem.
Once the first guy gets his legs cut off and gets awesome new legs put on, then we're going to have a real problem.
bryan callen
Fuck, because people are going to take their legs off.
joe rogan
Uh-huh.
Yeah.
bryan callen
Better legs.
joe rogan
Better legs.
bryan callen
I can't wait till I get the call when you're 80. I'm getting new legs, dude.
What?
Getting them cut off.
And you know me.
I'll be like, I don't know, Joe.
The science is new and you go, fuck off.
joe rogan
Like a turkey leg.
Pop.
bryan callen
God damn it.
joe rogan
Just pull them off and put some new ones on there.
Well, I mean, we were talking about this guy.
unidentified
Do you see any photos of it?
I found a video and nothing was new at all.
They were really old.
joe rogan
It's a 992 Porsche.
992 is the 2020 model.
992 Porsche under the hood.
bryan callen
I wouldn't mind buying a Porsche.
joe rogan
You should.
bryan callen
Really?
joe rogan
Please.
I've been begging you for years.
I deserve to buy a real car.
Yes.
bryan callen
I mean, I have a Tesla.
joe rogan
That's a real car.
bryan callen
Yeah.
joe rogan
That's a great car.
bryan callen
That's new for you to say.
joe rogan
I love that car.
bryan callen
Do you still drive your...
joe rogan
Love it.
bryan callen
It's right here.
joe rogan
I drive it all its own.
bryan callen
Great car.
joe rogan
It's the fastest thing I've ever driven, by far.
I have a bunch of sports cars that make a lot of noises, but they're like guys who put fucking headbands on and weightlifting belts, and then some girl who's a CrossFitter goes right next to you and deadlifts twice the weight.
That's what the Tesla is.
It's soft and subtle and twice as fast as anything.
bryan callen
I love your, whatever that is, Land Cruiser?
joe rogan
Oh, yeah.
It's the greatest car I've ever seen.
bryan callen
Does it drive really well?
joe rogan
Oh, yeah.
bryan callen
No problems?
joe rogan
It's got a supercharged Corvette engine in it.
bryan callen
Oh.
joe rogan
Okay, that's a side section of the car, though.
bryan callen
I have no idea what the fuck that is.
joe rogan
Yeah, see, that's different because that's actually, they cut the car in half so that you can look into it.
I think that's actually even an artist's rendering.
unidentified
It is.
joe rogan
It's okay, Jamie.
We're never going to find it.
Oh, far left.
Right there.
bryan callen
Red.
joe rogan
Red.
The red.
Far left.
Left.
Right there.
That's it.
That's it.
bryan callen
That's it?
joe rogan
That's it.
That's the view.
Go large with that.
bryan callen
What?
joe rogan
If you open up the trunk, that's what you see.
bryan callen
Come on.
joe rogan
Yup.
That's the whole thing you see.
Under the hood, that's what you see.
What happened there?
bryan callen
So forget it.
So forget it.
joe rogan
That's it.
bryan callen
That's what you say.
Your wrenches are no good here.
joe rogan
So imagine a girl pulls over.
I don't know what to do.
And she's wearing cut-off jean shorts and a banging booty.
Big old squat booty.
You know what I'm saying?
bryan callen
Yeah.
joe rogan
And she's looking over and you're like, I've got to help her.
bryan callen
Let me help you.
And I go like this, I go, what seems to be the trouble?
joe rogan
You're a captain, never distracted.
Is that what you said?
bryan callen
My nickname is Brad Pitt.
joe rogan
So if you pull over and look at that, you don't know.
Not a fucking human being has any idea what's going on.
bryan callen
I'd say, nah.
I've got the software back in my place.
joe rogan
You should get one of those, though.
You should get one of those.
Really?
Get yourself a nice Carrera S. Oh my God, it's a marvelous car.
bryan callen
Really?
joe rogan
Oh yeah, super calm and quiet.
They go over bumps like nothing, but yet when you hit the accelerator, they have such a supple suspension that the suspension can adjust to matter what you're driving over, especially when you're in comfort mode.
bryan callen
Expensive.
joe rogan
Yes!
It's a fucking Porsche!
Jesus Christ!
Yes!
What kind of question is that?
bryan callen
At least a hundred grand?
unidentified
Yes.
joe rogan
Yeah, at least a hundred grand.
But you need one.
bryan callen
I do, right?
unidentified
You do.
bryan callen
You're a bad influence on me, man.
joe rogan
No, I'm a good influence.
We've been doing this forever.
bryan callen
We have been doing it forever.
joe rogan
Now imagine, if you just listened to me.
All those times ago, you'd still be fine, but you would have had this history of having amazing cars.
Instead, you had a fucking red Prius forever.
bryan callen
It's the red Ram.
Call it the red Ram.
joe rogan
One thing you did have though, I remember that Bronco that you had.
bryan callen
Not bad.
joe rogan
That was pretty dope.
Was it a 70 Bronco?
bryan callen
Yeah, it gave me nothing.
A 71 Bronco with a 350 Windsor or something like that.
It caused me nothing but problems.
joe rogan
You know why?
Because it's a piece of shit.
If you got a really good one, it would be awesome.
I love the car.
bryan callen
It was a cool-looking car.
joe rogan
I remember when you came to my house today, I was like, I love you.
You're finally getting it.
bryan callen
I know.
joe rogan
I'm like, finally, you're getting it.
bryan callen
Every time I try to be different, though, it just never, you know.
joe rogan
You've just never driven a Porsche.
If you drove, and see, you don't want one like Schaub's.
Schaub's got a GT2 RS. He's such an extremist.
It's too loud.
It hits bumps too loud.
It's like...
bryan callen
It's his number one car.
joe rogan
Oh yeah.
bryan callen
Who drives that car as their number one car?
Psychos.
He's out of his mind.
joe rogan
He's a psycho.
bryan callen
I know.
joe rogan
But it fits him.
bryan callen
I know.
joe rogan
It's perfect for him.
It's flashy.
It's blue and black.
It's amazing.
bryan callen
The best.
joe rogan
Like that.
You don't want that color.
That's a gross color.
bryan callen
I like that color.
joe rogan
That color's disgusting.
That's that Doug DeMuro guy.
He's great.
bryan callen
It's a nice car, though.
joe rogan
That guy's a great analyst of automobiles.
Like, look at that.
bryan callen
Perfect.
joe rogan
Black.
Listen, this car is a marvelous car.
unidentified
Yeah.
bryan callen
Yeah, but you know, I need something for the next pandemic.
I want to get an Airstream.
joe rogan
You want a Land Cruiser like mine.
bryan callen
Yeah, but I need something I can kind of live in, too.
I'm going to get an Airstream.
joe rogan
Live in.
You want something you can get away from everybody, too.
You can't get away in an Airstream.
You've got to leave that thing there, and then it becomes a liability.
bryan callen
That's true.
joe rogan
You want something you can overland in, son.
bryan callen
Overland?
joe rogan
Overland in.
bryan callen
That's a good idea.
joe rogan
It's a whole thing they do, just overlanders.
My Land Cruiser that was built by Icon, the rear seat comes out.
So the rear seat has these, they made it for me.
So you just pull these levers, click, click, pull the rear seat out.
You could sleep in that motherfucker if you had to.
bryan callen
Expensive.
joe rogan
Costs money.
bryan callen
Things cost money.
joe rogan
You want to hire artisans and craftsmen and geniuses to design things and build things for you?
It costs money.
You want to get paid too, right?
Don't you want to get paid?
unidentified
I do.
joe rogan
Yeah, they do as well.
You got to pay them.
bryan callen
Maybe a regular Land Cruiser.
joe rogan
Regular Land Cruisers are great.
bryan callen
I'm cheap when it comes to cars.
joe rogan
What is that?
Oh, look at that.
That's a real Overland vehicle.
unidentified
What the fuck?
joe rogan
That looks like a Dodge Ram or a Ford F-150 or something, but I can't tell.
bryan callen
What's that thing that's dragging behind it?
joe rogan
Well, that's where all your shit is.
unidentified
Yeah.
joe rogan
You sleep in that.
And then they have these rooftop tents.
That's one Lowe's.
unidentified
Look at that.
joe rogan
Yeah, you climb in the rooftop tent.
bryan callen
Let me see the one, but I want to see that one.
I need protection when I'm sleeping.
joe rogan
No, you want the one to the left of your cursor, that gray-looking thing, right to the left.
Yeah, right there.
You just had it.
Yeah.
That's what you want.
Look at that.
It looks so manly.
bryan callen
Oh, that's fucking cool.
joe rogan
It looks like a Ford F-350.
bryan callen
That's what I need.
Now, the problem is it's taking up a lot of gas.
joe rogan
It's diesel.
That thing probably drives pretty...
It probably is a huge tank.
What are those three things?
Is that three gas tanks?
It might be.
It might have three gas tanks.
bryan callen
I'm a fan.
joe rogan
Yeah, look at that thing.
bryan callen
I'm a fan.
I carry extra gas.
joe rogan
Well, we have to think differently now, right?
I agree.
Press that button.
Let's see what this thing...
Look at it driving over fucking mountains and shit.
Look at it, so manly!
bryan callen
Yeah, I got my weaponry.
joe rogan
You can keep water in there.
You can fucking cook food in that fucking thing.
bryan callen
I got my weaponry.
I got my hunting rifles.
I got everything.
joe rogan
He's got...
Oh my god, he's bouncing over rocks with that thing.
He's got rock sliders on that pig.
That's a pig of a truck.
Just be in the back while you're doing that.
I know.
Imagine trying to sleep.
bryan callen
That's good though.
joe rogan
Why are you driving over the mountain?
bryan callen
I like that a lot.
joe rogan
Yeah.
Those are great.
But you could, like a van.
There's a company called, look up this company, Ujoint Off-Road.
Yeah, I think that's what it's called.
Ujoint Off-Road.
And what they do is they take a van, like a regular van, and they turn it, he has an Instagram page, it's pretty cool.
They take a regular van, like a cargo van.
bryan callen
Yeah.
joe rogan
And turn it into, like, the ultimate 4x4 vehicle.
They take out all the bullshit, take out all the axles and the engines, redo everything, and put, like, super beefy off-road suspension, off-road, like, live rear and front axles.
bryan callen
I love that shit.
joe rogan
Look at that.
Bam, motherfucker!
Drive to the moon in that bitch.
bryan callen
Yep.
joe rogan
So that's something that normally would be, like, something that Amazon delivers your toothpaste in.
unidentified
Uh-huh, uh-huh.
bryan callen
It's big enough to sleep in.
joe rogan
Oh, fuck yeah.
For sure.
Look at that.
They did one with a school bus.
They redid a school bus.
bryan callen
You gotta have water.
There's a lot of shit.
I've been obsessing now.
joe rogan
My friend Sam Soholt, he's a photographer and he does a lot of outdoor filming and stuff.
I've known him for years.
He did a school bus.
He purchased a school bus.
Go to Sam Sohalt's Instagram page.
He probably has a blog about the school bus because, I mean, it's an extensive build.
He did it for years.
And he took this school bus, a regular school bus, turned it into this ultimate outdoor travel vehicle that can sleep like 10 people.
So he has cots in it.
Oh, it's amazing!
It's a labor of love.
bryan callen
You and I spoke about getting some land.
We've done this a while back.
We were talking about this.
Here's the thing I didn't think of that you thought of.
It was very smart.
You get land with a large pond slash lake on it.
joe rogan
Yes.
bryan callen
So you can fish.
So you've got access to protein no matter what.
joe rogan
Right.
bryan callen
Then you have a garden.
You've got to be able to grow.
You need a well.
I've got to irrigate.
I need a well.
I've got to have my own source of water.
joe rogan
There's Sam's thing.
So look how the side pulls out.
bryan callen
Oh, that's fucking great.
joe rogan
Turns into a wall tent.
bryan callen
That's crazy.
joe rogan
The side turns into a fucking wall tent.
Look at that shit.
bryan callen
That's amazing.
joe rogan
Dude, it's so dope.
And he brings that thing up into the backcountry.
bryan callen
That's great.
joe rogan
Yeah.
Dude, it's amazing.
bryan callen
Problem is, it's a giant bus.
I need something a little bit more maneuverable.
joe rogan
Yeah, you don't want that.
Sam's crazy.
But I mean, it's awesome.
bryan callen
What about the Fisker?
What is it called?
joe rogan
Fisker?
That's an electric car.
What are you talking about?
Now I'm losing you.
You're sliding back to the old way.
unidentified
Hold on.
joe rogan
Oh, now you're back in Venice drinking cappuccinos off a fucking expensive machine.
bryan callen
No.
joe rogan
Son of a bitch.
bryan callen
Hold on.
We have to go look at land, dude.
Where do we do it though?
joe rogan
Colorado or Utah?
bryan callen
Not California anywhere?
joe rogan
No.
You want to get out of here before this place slides?
bryan callen
Too many fucking fires.
joe rogan
Not just fires.
Anything can happen here.
Look, we're dealing right now with this pandemic.
The entire country's dealing with it.
Tack on a natural disaster and then you're really fucked.
You're really fucked.
bryan callen
For real.
joe rogan
For real.
bryan callen
I know.
joe rogan
Yeah, this is a tricky place.
California is tricky because it works.
When it works, it's great, but it's kind of like playing musical chairs.
Like you know that fucking music is gonna stop and everyone's gonna have to sit down.
bryan callen
Yeah.
joe rogan
Like, is there a chair for me?
bryan callen
Yeah.
joe rogan
Like, am I stuck here?
bryan callen
Right.
joe rogan
Musical chairs might be a bad analogy, but the reality is this is unsustainable and we're basing all of this on a model that Really, throughout human history, has only been temporary, and that means a model of peace and prosperity and- And interdependence on a level, technological independence.
bryan callen
I mean, Jesus Christ.
joe rogan
And we're counting on the grid, we're counting on so many factors that have never been permanent throughout human history.
They haven't existed, right?
The grid didn't even exist until the 20th century, right?
So in the 20th century, in the time that people who are alive today, almost, We're alive.
The whole world has shifted and now everybody lives in these electrified cities and sewage all goes through this thing and everything goes into the ocean.
You're counting on so many people.
bryan callen
So many, dude.
joe rogan
But, on the other hand, there's so many pros to that.
bryan callen
There are, but I would just like, please, a place I can get the fuck out of and just have, like, I just want to be, I don't want to be a sitting duck.
My biggest fear is being vulnerable.
joe rogan
Right.
Well, you remember when I moved?
Yes.
I moved to Boulder in 2008 for a little bit.
And the reason why I moved is like, I don't like this.
I don't like this.
bryan callen
Traffic.
joe rogan
And when my daughter was born, too, I was thinking, you know what?
This is a good time to start fresh.
Let's just go somewhere where it's quieter.
But ultimately, that didn't work out because of altitude.
When my wife was pregnant with the second baby, it's like, goddamn, altitude wrecks women when they're pregnant.
And we were really high.
We were at 8,500 feet above sea level.
But now I have other friends that are saying, hey, we need to get the fuck out of here.
Tom Segura was saying, we need to get the fuck out of here.
Joey Diaz was saying, where are we going?
I was like, you tell me where we're going.
I'm going.
I'll go.
He was like, let's go to Montana.
Let's go to fucking Billings, Montana.
We'll open up a comic club.
bryan callen
I like Billings.
joe rogan
I like Billings, too.
We were in Billings.
Yeah.
We hunted the Missouri Breaks.
bryan callen
We could literally start a comedy club somewhere great.
joe rogan
Oh, yeah, we could.
bryan callen
Like, Boise doesn't have a comedy club, from what I understand.
Maybe they have a small one.
joe rogan
Yeah, it does.
No, Boise has a club.
bryan callen
Alright, so, Coeur d'Alene.
I don't know, somewhere really nice.
joe rogan
We could, for sure, do a comedy club somewhere, or move to a place like Salt Lake that has comedy clubs and 100,000 fucking people or whatever they have out there.
But the idea of staying here just seems so silly.
It seems so silly.
bryan callen
Yeah.
joe rogan
Especially, well, you're still in show business.
You're still sucking on the tit of the devil.
bryan callen
Yes, I am.
joe rogan
You've got the devil's nipple in your mouth.
Yeah.
You're still going to red carpets.
unidentified
Yeah.
bryan callen
I've also got the fighter indicated we're not getting Shob to move anywhere because Shob would be like, you pussies.
joe rogan
Oh, he says that.
bryan callen
Yeah.
joe rogan
All it would take is one more of these things.
bryan callen
Yeah, you might be right.
joe rogan
And Shob would be like, yeah, Denver's not bad.
Yeah, you could live in Evergreen, you're 30 minutes from Denver.
bryan callen
Yeah, how about that?
I'll do that.
unidentified
Evergreen?
joe rogan
Would you?
bryan callen
Is that nice?
unidentified
Fuck yeah, I'll do that.
joe rogan
Oh my god, Evergreen's gorgeous.
Pull up Evergreen.
bryan callen
I got my kids.
joe rogan
People in Evergreen right now are angry at me.
Shut up!
You're gonna fucking wreck Evergreen!
Evergreen's beautiful.
bryan callen
Damn it.
joe rogan
It's 30 minutes from Denver and it's a beautiful mountain town.
bryan callen
Here I come.
joe rogan
9,000 people.
9,500.
All our friends.
unidentified
Yeah.
joe rogan
Imagine we start a comedy club in Evergreen.
bryan callen
Great idea.
joe rogan
Just get Wendy involved.
Wendy from the Comedy Works.
That's what it looks like up there.
bryan callen
I love Wendy.
joe rogan
Bro, it's gorgeous.
It's got a beautiful historic...
Look at that!
unidentified
Wow!
joe rogan
That's what I'm talking about, Brian Callen.
bryan callen
Dude.
joe rogan
Woods.
Elk herds wander through town.
You whack one of them, you eat it for six months.
bryan callen
And I want two German Shepherds working line dogs.
joe rogan
Look at that.
Pull that fucking historic downtown Evergreen.
That's the lake.
I've been to that before.
There's a lake and people go ice skating on the lake.
It's fucking beautiful up there.
bryan callen
Dude, that's what I want to do!
joe rogan
My kids will ice skate.
You know the South Park guys?
Matt Stone and Trey Parker, they're from Evergreen.
That's what South Park is based on.
That's why there's always snow in South Park.
It's based on Evergreen, Colorado.
Those guys are from there.
It's gorgeous up there.
bryan callen
They're going to get mad at you if you keep talking about it.
joe rogan
Sorry.
There's other places in Colorado, but there's other places in Utah.
Park City's amazing.
I love Park City.
bryan callen
Park City's great.
joe rogan
My parents retired there.
Good move.
Great restaurants, beautiful scenery.
bryan callen
You're still dependent on the grid and there's not enough water.
I don't trust it.
joe rogan
Well, there is actually.
bryan callen
Get some water.
joe rogan
Doesn't trust it.
bryan callen
We'd be fine.
We'd kill some elk.
joe rogan
Yes.
There's lakes up there.
bryan callen
But I need fucking rice and oatmeal.
I need some starch.
unidentified
You need rice and oatmeal?
bryan callen
I need some yams.
joe rogan
Why do you need rice and oatmeal?
bryan callen
Because I need...
joe rogan
You know, you can grow yams.
bryan callen
Huh?
joe rogan
You can grow those things.
bryan callen
Yeah, you need a lot of water though.
joe rogan
They grow.
bryan callen
You grow them in the ground.
joe rogan
Yeah, but there's not a drought in Utah.
It's not like it's a fucking...
I mean, there's a reason why there's so much snow, Brian.
That's precipitation.
bryan callen
Wait, you can melt snow, can't you?
unidentified
Yes.
joe rogan
But I mean, it's coming down, right?
It snows.
Well, guess what?
It also rains.
bryan callen
That's true.
joe rogan
Yeah.
You can grow things there.
bryan callen
That's true, my man.
joe rogan
You see all those trees?
Yeah, they use water.
bryan callen
Yeah.
joe rogan
Whenever you see a lot of woods, assume there's water.
bryan callen
Yeah.
Probably, right?
joe rogan
Yeah.
bryan callen
I would imagine.
joe rogan
Crazy.
bryan callen
Maybe I should do some thinking.
joe rogan
Look at that.
Look how pretty is that.
Where is that, Jamie?
A giant lake.
God, it's so beautiful.
bryan callen
I need a lake.
I need a lake for water.
joe rogan
Is that Colorado?
jamie vernon
It's an evergreen photo, so it's probably somewhere else.
joe rogan
God, it's an evergreen?
bryan callen
Dude, I want to be able to live off the land.
joe rogan
Livability.
Click on that.
What does it say about livability?
Don't come here, ass fucks.
Evergreen Colorado, what you need to know.
Here it goes.
Looking to move to Evergreen Colorado?
We've got everything you want to know about the key factors that can make it the best place for you, including Evergreen Colorado real estate.
Let's start with the basics.
Evergreen Colorado is located in Jefferson County, has a population of 8,688 people.
That's a show.
That's one show at a good-sized theater.
bryan callen
So true.
joe rogan
Yeah.
That's one show.
That's not even a sold-out arena.
bryan callen
Oh my god.
joe rogan
We have a cool graph below that shows the city's ethnic diversity.
None.
I'll check that graph right now.
Zero.
It's all white people.
There's one black guy and they watch him closely.
What kind of ethnic diversity?
Let me see the graph.
bryan callen
Evergreen?
joe rogan
Let me see their graph.
Let me see the graph about the diversity.
This is a graph.
They hide the graph.
bryan callen
Salt Lake has a lot of Tongan and Samoan.
unidentified
Oh, yeah, yeah, yeah.
joe rogan
Salt Lake, the city, surprisingly diverse.
I have a friend who moved there.
Medium household income, 79 grand.
Nice.
389 grand for a house.
Nice.
Population 8,600.
So it doesn't have a diversity graph.
They probably ditched that.
One thing is like, hey, delete that.
Oh, what does it say?
Okay, it says ages.
Does it say ethnicity?
White.
97.5%.
1.4% Asian.
bryan callen
Literally no black people.
There's one black person.
joe rogan
Dude, 0.1% ethnicity other.
Other.
It doesn't even say black.
bryan callen
Interesting.
It says other.
joe rogan
African Americans, one of the most prominent races in this country.
unidentified
Yeah.
joe rogan
And there, it's other.
bryan callen
Sounds like my application.
Look at that.
joe rogan
Go back to that.
Stop scrolling.
Look at that.
That is crazy.
bryan callen
Yeah.
joe rogan
97.5% white.
bryan callen
Dude, 30 minutes to Denver, huh?
joe rogan
Yeah.
unidentified
Fuck.
joe rogan
30 minutes to Denver.
bryan callen
I want to go to Evergreen.
joe rogan
But you will get snowed in, bro.
bryan callen
You will.
joe rogan
Oh, yeah.
bryan callen
Is it high elevation?
What's the elevation?
joe rogan
8,000 feet.
bryan callen
That's a little high.
joe rogan
It's high as fuck.
And you're going to get snowed in.
Not just snowed in, but like several feet of snow.
bryan callen
It's a little problem for me.
joe rogan
Like you ain't going nowhere, bitch.
bryan callen
It's a little problem.
joe rogan
Is it really?
Don't you just get a snowblower?
Like a goddamn man?
You put on a, like, get a, like a...
Beaver hat.
Get Rinella to make you a beaver hat.
bryan callen
Yes, yes.
joe rogan
Like one of them real hats.
Yes.
Like the mountain man type hats.
bryan callen
I want a coyote, full-length coyote.
joe rogan
No.
bryan callen
I know it's mean.
I'm nervous.
joe rogan
They're too much like dogs.
You mean you want a coyote jacket or something?
unidentified
Yes.
bryan callen
I mean, I know it's cruel and I don't want to kill coyotes, but they are very plentiful.
joe rogan
These idiots are thinking about moving wolves into Colorado.
bryan callen
That's not a bad idea, right?
Didn't moving wolves into Yellowstone increase the population of everything?
joe rogan
No.
No, it did not.
bryan callen
Is that a lie?
joe rogan
No.
Yes, it is.
bryan callen
It is.
I watched that video.
joe rogan
Oh, yeah.
How wolves changed rivers?
bryan callen
Yes.
joe rogan
Yeah.
A lot of other factors that that guy didn't take into consideration in terms of moving rivers.
One of the things was beavers.
They imported beavers into Yellowstone.
There's many, many factors.
bryan callen
Okay.
joe rogan
But they did reduce the undulate population, which you could say was out of proportion.
bryan callen
What's an undulate?
joe rogan
Undulate is cows, elk.
bryan callen
The undulate.
joe rogan
Cows.
Yeah.
Ruminants.
unidentified
Ruminants.
joe rogan
Whatever it is.
bryan callen
I like saying ruminant.
joe rogan
Yeah.
The animals that you hunt.
unidentified
Yeah.
joe rogan
And guess who else hunts them?
Wolves, bitch!
bryan callen
Yeah.
joe rogan
So it changed the way the elk behave.
It reduced the population pretty substantially, but there's still a healthy population of elk in Montana, and there's a healthy population of wolves, and they actually hunt wolves now.
They hunt wolves in Idaho.
They hunt a lot of wolves.
In some places, they're trying to resist the hunting of wolves.
You got to kind of keep a balance.
And if you're going to bring predators, you got to realize why they killed them all in the first place.
They killed them all in the first place because ranchers were losing all of their crops or all their cattle, rather.
Look, I love wolves.
Look, you can see I have pictures of wolves all over my wall out there.
I'm a huge fan of wolves.
bryan callen
But you can't raise lots.
joe rogan
It's tough to...
I also am a big fan of wildlife biologists and the wildlife biologists that understand balance.
The real ones.
Not the ones that are animal activists that only want animals to live and they only want everybody to eat tofu.
The ones that understand that this is There's a balance from predators and prey, and we miss that balance.
You know, that's why there's no mountain lion hunting in California.
And people say, well, that's a good thing.
Sort of, but mountain lions are still getting killed in California.
This is what we don't understand.
Mountain lions get killed by state and federal agents who have to kill mountain lions because mountain lions are killing Either people's dogs or cats or livestock.
bryan callen
I didn't know that.
joe rogan
All the time.
They kill the same amount of mountain lions they would if they had tags.
Really?
Yes.
But the difference is the money doesn't go to the state, but everybody feels good and the government feels warm and cuddly.
bryan callen
Because somebody with a uniform is doing it.
joe rogan
They're doing it on the sneak tip instead of like some guy posing on Instagram, like hugging.
You ever see the way they pose with mountain lions?
It's kind of fucked up.
unidentified
Yeah.
joe rogan
They hold them up in the air to hug them.
bryan callen
It's weird.
They do that with wolves, too.
joe rogan
Yeah, and let you know how big they are.
bryan callen
It's fucking huge.
joe rogan
Let you know what a man they are.
bryan callen
Yeah.
joe rogan
They shot this...
Mountain Lion's delicious, by the way.
bryan callen
It is?
joe rogan
According to everybody I know that's eating it.
bryan callen
Well, Rinald told me it's pretty tough.
joe rogan
No, no, no.
unidentified
No?
joe rogan
No, that's not what he said.
He said it's superb.
unidentified
Really?
joe rogan
That's his words.
He said superb.
He goes, it's like a superior pork.
bryan callen
No.
unidentified
Yes.
bryan callen
But they eat, they're 100% carnivores.
joe rogan
Yeah.
And supposedly delicious.
bryan callen
I can't think of any other animal we eat.
Do we eat any animals that are total carnivores?
Alligator.
unidentified
Alligator.
joe rogan
Yes.
Alligators are delicious.
bryan callen
Fish.
joe rogan
Yeah, fish are 100% carnivores, but they're not really, you know, it's a thing.
bryan callen
But what else animal-wise?
You don't eat any birds that are carnivores, but birds will eat.
joe rogan
That is interesting, right?
bryan callen
Yeah.
joe rogan
Like, we don't eat eagles.
bryan callen
You hate an eagle, you'd be a real piece of shit.
In the Old Testament, if you're a kosher Jew or if you're Islamic, if you're a Muslim, you're not to eat things like eagles, osprey, but there was a very good scientific reason for that.
Because you would get different pathogens.
Parasites.
joe rogan
Yeah.
Oh, for sure.
bryan callen
Anything that eats live animals.
But chickens, they live on mealworm and they'll eat all kinds of shit.
joe rogan
That's true.
But you're also supposed to cook chicken past 145 degrees.
bryan callen
Yeah.
joe rogan
Because you're killing off parasites.
bryan callen
Yes.
joe rogan
And salmonella and all kinds of other shit.
bryan callen
Right.
joe rogan
You know, people eat raw chicken.
You've got to be out of your fucking mind to eat raw chicken.
bryan callen
Ducks.
You know what a horse will eat a chicken sometimes?
joe rogan
Really?
unidentified
Uh-huh.
bryan callen
There's a video of it.
joe rogan
Whoa!
I know cows eat birds.
bryan callen
Bring up that video of a horse eating a fucking chicken.
unidentified
Thank you.
joe rogan
Thank you for doing this.
bryan callen
And deer will eat...
joe rogan
Oh, I've seen a lot of deer eating birds.
bryan callen
They'll eat birds.
I need that protein.
joe rogan
Yeah, there was a net that they used to catch birds.
bryan callen
Yeah.
joe rogan
They set up this net.
I think they were studying birds, and it's a humane way to catch them.
They get captured in this net, and then they can release them from the net gently, and then they can set them free.
Uh-uh.
Deer would just find them in the net and eat them.
bryan callen
Goddamn.
joe rogan
Yeah, they'd just pluck them right out of the net.
bryan callen
So interesting.
joe rogan
Cattle, too.
They'd know where the net was.
Like, oh, wonderful.
Really?
Chase these birds.
Choo, choo, choo.
Yeah.
unidentified
Here's a cow eating one, too.
jamie vernon
We've played the horse before, too.
joe rogan
Oh, a cow eating a chicken?
Play that.
It's a horse eating one.
Okay, here we go.
bryan callen
There's a chicken running around.
joe rogan
Oh, here's a chicken?
Oh, he's feeding?
jamie vernon
I'm just saying it almost looks like it.
joe rogan
Really?
Well, yeah, he's filming it.
bryan callen
Horses don't fuck around.
joe rogan
Oh, it's a little baby chick.
Yeah, look, he's chasing that chick down.
Oh, I'm looking out for you.
unidentified
That's so interesting.
joe rogan
That's a wrap, bitch.
Chompa, chompa, chompa.
unidentified
No.
joe rogan
Yeah, they just recognize its protein.
bryan callen
Wow, he ate that quick.
I used to have a pit bull.
Patty's Pit Bull.
Chauncey, badass dog.
joe rogan
I remember Chauncey.
Love that dog.
bryan callen
A great dog.
Like an alligator.
Like jaws on fucking, just with feet.
joe rogan
There's a cow eating a chicken.
bryan callen
Jesus Christ.
joe rogan
Chewing it apart.
Oh my goodness.
bryan callen
She got near a big horse, a Clydesdale.
That horse put its head down and ran straight at that fucking dog.
And Chauncey was like, oh fuck, yeah.
joe rogan
The size of a Clydesdale.
bryan callen
He was like, get the fuck out of my corral.
What are you doing?
He literally stopped and he went, really?
Put his head down and went, and came, I thought she was going to die.
She just dodged out of the way.
joe rogan
She could have.
There's a horrible video of this guy is, what is it called when you've got a bunch of dogs pulling you?
Is it called mushing?
bryan callen
Yeah, mushing.
I did, Rod.
joe rogan
Mushing?
bryan callen
Mushing.
joe rogan
Mushing or mushing?
bryan callen
I mush.
joe rogan
Do you mush or do you mush?
bryan callen
I mush, personally.
joe rogan
Okay.
So this guy, it's really sad.
This guy is getting pulled by these dogs and this moose runs in front of him and just starts stomping his dogs.
unidentified
What?
joe rogan
Yeah, it's terrible.
It's terrible.
There's nothing he can do about it.
bryan callen
No.
joe rogan
So this is not it.
This is not it, but I'm sure this is probably a similar result.
The other one was a cow moose.
It was either a cow moose or it was...
bryan callen
Let me see that one.
joe rogan
I think it was just clearing the path for him, it said.
Well, they will fuck up dogs.
Moose Attack Sled Dog Team.
Yeah, that's not it.
It's a recent one, but it's real.
Anyway, it was real sad.
I saw it on Instagram.
bryan callen
It killed a bunch of dogs?
joe rogan
It killed a couple of them.
One of them they had to put down after the fact because it broke its back.
bryan callen
Damn!
joe rogan
Yeah.
I mean, a Milton Moose is an 1,800-pound animal.
bryan callen
Not hearing a peep out of a pack of dogs.
joe rogan
Pack it, dog.
That's like you getting in a fight with a hamster.
bryan callen
Yeah.
joe rogan
Just get the fuck out of here.
unidentified
Get out of here.
Bink!
bryan callen
Yep.
joe rogan
Moose are so big, man.
bryan callen
Couple cheetah pull them down, though.
Cheetah will grab your balls, eat your balls first.
unidentified
Whoa.
bryan callen
Then hamstring you.
You know what they do that?
joe rogan
Wolves do that, too.
bryan callen
Lions will do that.
Lions will do that with a water buffalo.
joe rogan
They'll attack the legs.
bryan callen
Oh, they'll eat your balls.
They'll take your balls and start to bleed out.
unidentified
Ow!
Ow!
bryan callen
I'll take your balls, please.
Can't protect your balls, Bob.
joe rogan
Yeah, it's a stupid design, right?
bryan callen
Yeah.
joe rogan
Just pull it up inside like a turtle.
bryan callen
Tanks.
They're just tanks, but sometimes they get tired.
joe rogan
Yeah, if you go hunting, you should have a steel cup, like a tie cup.
unidentified
Yes.
joe rogan
One that goes through the butt like a G-string.
bryan callen
I do anyway.
You should.
I call that discipline.
joe rogan
Just in case some wolf wants to try to bite your balls, he gets a mouth full of metal.
bryan callen
I tie my dick down on my leg with a hemp rope, just to keep me honest.
joe rogan
A hemp rope?
bryan callen
Yeah, keep me honest.
joe rogan
And also organic.
bryan callen
Yeah, Brian, what are you doing?
Tying my dick down with a coarse hemp rope.
Why?
In case me honest.
joe rogan
Yeah, like, you know those side holsters that people have sometimes where they have a strap on their thigh?
bryan callen
Yep.
joe rogan
Because they have a long gun and they want to keep it from flopping up against their thigh?
bryan callen
Sure do.
joe rogan
That's what you do with the hog.
bryan callen
That's right.
Sometimes I sprint with a hard-on.
You ever try that?
Naked?
joe rogan
I've never run with a hard-on.
bryan callen
Me neither.
joe rogan
It's amazing.
bryan callen
I've lived all these years.
Never ran with a hard heart.
joe rogan
I wonder how long your dick would stay hard if you were in a full gallop.
bryan callen
It's a good question.
It's a very good question.
That'd be a great contest.
unidentified
Right.
joe rogan
If someone broke into your house and you were in the middle of sex and you were angry, but you kept your wood because you weren't scared.
bryan callen
Just get your dick super hard and just go running.
joe rogan
Just take a hair tie and just rubber band it to the bottom.
bryan callen
Got to do that.
joe rogan
Just keep the blood flow.
bryan callen
Got to tie your piece down.
Oh, yeah.
You tie off at the end.
joe rogan
Yeah, yeah, yeah.
Like a cock ring.
bryan callen
That's right.
joe rogan
And then just go running after him.
bryan callen
You just use a cock ring.
joe rogan
With a big old heart on.
Yeah, but who has a cock ring?
unidentified
Ah, fuck.
joe rogan
That's one of those things.
If you have it, what's wrong with you?
bryan callen
Don't say that because you're going to get 50 emails of people with alligator cock rings.
And I'll initial it for you.
joe rogan
Hey, bro, there's nothing wrong with cock rings.
bryan callen
Joe Rogan fucking experience.
joe rogan
Let me show you how I make them.
bryan callen
Just a cock ring.
You got Python?
joe rogan
Yeah.
bryan callen
Python cock ring?
joe rogan
So many cock rings.
bryan callen
They all exist.
joe rogan
Yeah, like who's buying sex toys from stores these days?
You ever drive by one of them sex toy stores and you're like, for real?
bryan callen
It's a ghost town.
joe rogan
Who's in there?
They're open still.
Are those money laundering operations?
bryan callen
Maybe, but the Hustler store is still open, I think, on Sunset Boulevard.
joe rogan
Is it?
bryan callen
That's more of a thing for you and your girlfriend to go like, let's get this.
joe rogan
Well, it used to be DVDs.
I remember it used to be like, you remember when people used to buy porn DVDs?
There was a day, you fucking kids today are so spoiled.
bryan callen
And VHS porn.
joe rogan
Oh, yeah.
Oh, I remember that.
bryan callen
That was when I used to watch porn.
You know, I never, and this is all bullshit aside, and I'm not because I'm a good boy.
I never watch porn.
I never ever watch porn because it doesn't do a thing for me.
joe rogan
Really?
bryan callen
I don't know what it is.
I just, I swear to God.
joe rogan
Because you're tired from fucking all the time.
bryan callen
I thought about that the other day.
I was like, I haven't watched porn in...
joe rogan
Three days?
bryan callen
Since I was 52. I haven't watched porn in so many years.
joe rogan
Because you're tired from all your fucking.
bryan callen
Yeah, all my banging.
Because I'm fucking.
Because I fuck.
joe rogan
Porn is an oddly polarizing subject.
Because it's one of the weirdest things ever, if you really stop and think about it.
Because mostly everyone who's healthy enjoys sex.
Whether it's straight sex or gay sex or what kind of sex you like.
If you're healthy and you're young.
Even if you're not young.
If you're healthy, your body works well.
You like sex.
But yet, filming it.
bryan callen
Yeah.
It's so taboo.
I know.
I think it's because...
joe rogan
It's so taboo.
bryan callen
It is taboo, and I've thought a lot about that.
I think it's because we inherently know, typically, that the person doing it, putting themselves on camera, it is a form of suicide.
And what I mean by that is it's a form of...
It's a way of ensuring that you keep yourself out of certain segments of society, right?
And maybe it's residue from when...
When sex was downright dangerous—pregnancy, disease that we didn't have cures for—I think sex had to have a lot of taboos.
Like, even in the Old Testament, I think, when the Israelites were not allowed to—you couldn't take the women as slaves.
You had to kill everybody.
Well, the reason for that was—unless they were virgins—because the reason for that was you could get a disease.
And I can't remember who broke that down, but that was always a thing where— People would get...
You'd go into a town and rape all the women and stuff, and then your soldiers would come down with some terrible syphilitic disease.
And so, in the Old Testament, the Israelites were, you know, forbidden from taking anybody who was of a certain age.
joe rogan
That's another weird thing about sex.
The diseases...
Like, how many goddamn diseases come from fucking?
And people seem fine.
unidentified
Yeah.
joe rogan
That's the thing.
It's not like the flu.
Or, you know, if someone's like, oh my god, I have a fever.
I'm sick.
Can we fuck?
It's not like that.
I got the flu from Maggie.
That dirty bitch.
Like, wait, bro, she was in bed.
She was sick.
You couldn't tell she was sick?
Oh, I thought I'd be fine.
Like, no.
bryan callen
When I was younger, if you had a flu, that wasn't going to stop me.
If I'm sick, I can't.
I'd be like, I don't give a fuck.
joe rogan
Because you're terrible.
But that's not my point.
My point is, people seem fine and they have a terrible disease.
bryan callen
Yes.
joe rogan
It's so weird.
bryan callen
Yes.
joe rogan
Like, the flu is normal.
unidentified
Right.
joe rogan
Like, you're sick.
You got a temperature.
bryan callen
Yeah.
joe rogan
Oh, I don't want to be near you.
I could catch that disease.
bryan callen
Yeah.
joe rogan
But that's one of the weird things about this coronavirus in a lot of ways, right?
Because they said, we were trying to figure out what the number is, but there's a large percentage, more than half, are asymptomatic.
bryan callen
Right.
But they're carrying it.
joe rogan
But they're carrying it.
So they seem fine, but they're spreading this horrible disease.
That's weird, but that's sort of like some diseases, some VD, the clap, syphilis.
bryan callen
You can have herpes and never show symptoms.
So you can have herpes simplex, too, and never show symptoms.
And you could be carrying it.
joe rogan
Just shooting dirty.
Herpes ridden loads into people.
bryan callen
And apparently all of us have been exposed to herpes.
Cold source from what I understand, on your lips, you have somewhat some immunity to the one on your genitals.
unidentified
Yeah.
joe rogan
Yes.
But you could transfer the ones from your lips to the general.
bryan callen
Apparently you can.
unidentified
It's such a weird...
bryan callen
Every time I talk to a doctor...
joe rogan
You can't fix that one.
No.
They don't have a vaccine for herpes.
bryan callen
No, they just have pills you can take.
joe rogan
Oh, they never figured that out.
bryan callen
I think they were working on it.
joe rogan
There's too many people with herpes.
They just let it go.
bryan callen
Yeah.
joe rogan
It's some crazy number.
bryan callen
It's like warts, too.
There are different kinds of warts.
joe rogan
Well, they have that now.
HPV, they do have a vaccine for that.
bryan callen
Yeah.
joe rogan
They do have a vaccine for that.
And that's very important for women.
Because women get it and they get cervical cancer.
It's just the idea that all these diseases are passed on through sex is so strange.
bryan callen
Well, if you think about it, you're coming in as close contact as is possible.
joe rogan
Maybe you, bro.
bryan callen
You're ingesting their fluids.
joe rogan
I like to get out of the room.
When I come, I like to run into the bathroom.
bryan callen
And clean immediately.
joe rogan
I just shoot into the sink.
bryan callen
Yeah, man.
It's hard to...
Yeah, but porn.
We were talking about porn.
Why is there taboo?
Typically, I think it's because people...
I think it's a couple things.
I think porn people remind us of a darker animalistic side of ourselves we don't want to admit to, right?
So if I watch porn, I'm not going to admit that to a bunch of people I don't know yet.
There's something shaming about...
Watching other people have sex.
There's something taboo about that.
So if I admit...
So if I'm around somebody who reminds me of the fact that I... That's why I've always thought it would be the height of hypocrisy.
Whenever people judge porn stars, it's like, you judge porn stars.
You watch porn.
Porn is a multi-billion dollar industry.
Let's be honest.
All of us watch it.
All of us jerk off to it.
joe rogan
I did.
bryan callen
I did my share of it.
joe rogan
You stopped a week ago.
bryan callen
My father one time looked at my iPad and he goes, the fuck is this porn?
My search history was so full of sin.
joe rogan
Your dad was looking through your search?
bryan callen
He put something in.
joe rogan
He was snooping.
bryan callen
No, and he saw this.
He goes, what is all this?
I look at him and I went, I watch porn.
He went like this.
And he went on looking for something.
joe rogan
You should really get uncomfortable with him.
What is your favorite to watch?
bryan callen
Exactly.
I'm sure he does, too.
I'm sure everybody does.
But here's the thing.
When you're in a presence of porn people, typically, if they're part of your crew, they remind people of sort of their darker side.
And I think that's why they become ...
Also, by the way, though, the kind of person that's willing to do that might be more self-destructive usually than the average person in that sense.
joe rogan
Yeah, I guess.
bryan callen
I don't know.
joe rogan
Yeah.
I mean, you always have to leave the door open to aberrations.
But there was something that I read about—it was a real bummer—the number of women that get into porn that have been sexually molested is off the charts.
bryan callen
Yes.
Although I've met—I've met—I'm thinking of two in particular.
Alana Evans, who I got to know, who is as normal and as cool a fucking human being as it gets.
She's just—I love her.
She's a great person.
She just is.
And Asa Akira.
Asa is smart as fuck and a regular...
I kept looking at her going, what's going on here?
She's read everything.
She just seems incredibly well-adjusted, but she has that side of her.
So I don't know.
joe rogan
She does ferocious gangbangs.
bryan callen
Yes.
joe rogan
Where it's like all her mascara's gone.
bryan callen
Correct.
joe rogan
She's covered in cocksnot.
bryan callen
Never watched one of her porns, but yes.
joe rogan
Congratulations.
bryan callen
Yeah.
joe rogan
Because you respect her.
bryan callen
No.
I just haven't watched it.
I got it.
Maybe I will now.
joe rogan
Maybe that'll break your three-day fast.
bryan callen
Exactly.
Exactly.
Yeah, I don't know.
joe rogan
It's a weird one because it is sort of universally taboo, but yet almost universally consumed.
These are very contradictory things.
bryan callen
It is.
joe rogan
Very much.
bryan callen
Nicole Aniston, Stevie Blue Eyes, my boy, you know Stevie, he dates Nicole Aniston and now does porn with her.
joe rogan
No.
bryan callen
Oh yeah.
unidentified
Oh yeah.
joe rogan
What?
When did this happen?
bryan callen
Stevie goes from crime to...
Stand up to porn.
joe rogan
He's doing porn with Nicole Anderson?
unidentified
With his girlfriend.
bryan callen
With his girlfriend.
joe rogan
She's a beautiful girl.
bryan callen
She's a beautiful girl.
And again, very good businesswoman.
Has other investments.
You talk to her and she's gorgeous, but you'd never think...
I've had long, lucid conversations with this person.
She's just not...
It just doesn't make...
joe rogan
So Stevie's showing his cock to the world.
bryan callen
Stevie's got a fucking piece on him.
joe rogan
Got a piece on him?
bryan callen
Are you fucking kidding me?
joe rogan
Does he call himself Stevie Blue Eyes and his porn?
bryan callen
I don't think so.
I don't know.
joe rogan
Do you still let him open for you or is he tainted now?
bryan callen
I want to.
No, I fucking love that guy.
joe rogan
You know, after he does porn, people see his heart.
bryan callen
I don't give a fuck.
joe rogan
You should be careful.
bryan callen
He's hilarious.
I don't give a shit.
joe rogan
This is not good.
unidentified
It's just not good.
joe rogan
It's a bad look.
bryan callen
Now, Stevie's always welcome.
joe rogan
You're a guy on television.
bryan callen
I am.
joe rogan
You can't have some porn star open for you.
bryan callen
This is outrageous.
Now I want him.
I want him even more now.
I use Malik B, who's amazing.
joe rogan
You should be a director and come in and dress like an old-timey director.
How's an old-timey director dress?
bryan callen
Well, I would dress the way an old-time French director dresses, which would be I would have knickers, I would have boots, I'd have a beret, and I'd have a cane.
joe rogan
Cane, like a cattle, like a riding crop.
bryan callen
Yes!
unidentified
Yes!
bryan callen
A fucking riding crop.
So be dressed like an equestrian, but I'm not an equestrian.
joe rogan
Like an equestrian.
Yes.
And maybe even have a, instead of a beret, a hard riding hat.
bryan callen
Yes.
And action!
Unseen!
joe rogan
Could they talk you into doing something where you don't have sex, but you are a comedic relief in a porn film?
Would you be interested in doing that?
bryan callen
I would do that, maybe.
Would you?
unidentified
Probably.
joe rogan
Would ABC get mad at you?
Are you on ABC? Yeah, I'm on ABC. ABC's very conservative.
bryan callen
Well, they're owned by Disney.
joe rogan
Yeah.
bryan callen
But then again, hopefully they don't listen to The Fighter and Kid.
joe rogan
Well, hopefully they don't listen to this, because we're trying to set it up.
bryan callen
Action!
I had a director one time.
I was doing the scene.
And he goes, I don't believe you.
joe rogan
He said, I don't believe you?
bryan callen
I don't believe you.
Brian, I don't believe you.
I don't believe you.
joe rogan
Was that Sex and the City?
bryan callen
No, it was on MADtv.
joe rogan
Really?
A director on MADtv is taking it seriously?
bryan callen
Actually, I had a director on Oz say that.
He goes, I can see you acting.
He whispered, hey, I can see you acting.
joe rogan
Try something different?
bryan callen
Yeah.
He was right.
joe rogan
Well, you are acting.
bryan callen
Yeah.
joe rogan
You should play dumb.
I don't know what you're saying.
I'm supposed to be acting, right?
If you don't want me to act, I'll go home.
What?
bryan callen
You should have focused on stand-up.
unidentified
Yes.
joe rogan
Well, you did, eventually.
bryan callen
I love it.
joe rogan
But you like the acting, too.
You're a weirdo.
You like those people, too.
You secretly like those acting people.
The ones that I disdain.
bryan callen
I don't know about that.
joe rogan
You bring them around sometimes and I get grossed out.
bryan callen
I don't know if that's true.
joe rogan
I have to slowly make my way to the door.
bryan callen
I don't think I brought any actors around.
joe rogan
You don't anymore.
bryan callen
How long ago?
joe rogan
It's been a while.
You used to bring them around.
bryan callen
Yeah, not really.
joe rogan
And I used to be like, hey, what the fuck is this?
Who's this guy?
bryan callen
I'm not comfortable on this guy.
The guy would be right there.
I don't want to be rude.
I don't like this guy.
joe rogan
Bro, but you would bring the worst, like full-on liars, sociopaths, complete pathological liars.
Misfits, misfits.
Liars.
bryan callen
I collected misfits.
joe rogan
But they would just lie about stuff.
bryan callen
Maybe they were just nervous around you.
joe rogan
But they would just make up stories, though.
You can't do that.
You can't just make up stories.
bryan callen
No, you can't.
joe rogan
And you know, sometimes when someone makes up a story and it's so obvious, you're like, what are you saying?
bryan callen
But I would never pick up on it and you would go like this.
I remember one time where you and I were doing some...
We were shooting something as a favor and we were getting our makeup and this guy was talking and he was dating...
He was actually dating some porn chick and you were listening to him and in front of everybody, in front of him and everybody, you went like this.
You went...
Holy shit!
What a bullshit artist!
Wow!
You're a real bullshit artist, huh?
And it got all weird in the room.
I was like, oh, here goes Joe.
Here goes Joe hunkering down.
joe rogan
Well, when someone starts lying to you, just lying to you in front of a bunch of people, and I think I remember this story.
I think the guy was very criminal, too.
It was something like...
He's angling to get something out of us and lying.
I was like, I know where this is going.
You're trying to get something out of us and you're lying.
Like, you're a bullshit artist.
unidentified
Yes.
joe rogan
And I was like, we're stopping this right now because you're going to dominate this whole day and then you're going to want us to invest in something or give you money.
There was some hustle.
bryan callen
You stopped him right away.
joe rogan
Yeah.
Well, there was some gross sort of semi-aggressive hustle to what he was doing and he was lying to us.
bryan callen
Yes.
joe rogan
And I was like, this isn't true.
bryan callen
Yes.
But you called him on it.
joe rogan
Record scratch.
bryan callen
It was great.
joe rogan
Well, it was one of those moments where this whole day could go to shit because we're trapped in this building with this lyre.
bryan callen
Right.
joe rogan
There's so many of them out here.
bryan callen
That's so good to know.
I don't have that antenna because I just trust people immediately.
joe rogan
That was an obvious one.
I remember that one.
It was a criminal one.
There's some guys that are like, they're criminals.
bryan callen
Sociopaths.
joe rogan
Yeah, but they're angling.
And if you don't...
unidentified
Stop it!
joe rogan
Right there.
They're going to get your number.
They're going to get your email.
They're going to get you this.
They're going to get you this.
I want to make this meeting.
I'm real tight friends with Tom Cruise or this guy or that guy.
And it's always that.
bryan callen
Yeah.
joe rogan
Like name dropping.
unidentified
Yes.
joe rogan
Has that ever worked?
Does that work?
bryan callen
No.
joe rogan
That's the weirdest.
unidentified
No.
joe rogan
Name dropping is one of the weirdest things that people do that doesn't work.
bryan callen
Yeah.
It's so sad and strange.
joe rogan
But it doesn't work.
bryan callen
No.
joe rogan
But yet people do it.
bryan callen
Yeah.
joe rogan
It's a weird one.
Right?
bryan callen
Yep.
joe rogan
Like fame by association.
bryan callen
Yep.
It never works.
joe rogan
It never works.
But people do it.
And then when people are like, yeah, you know, I'm real good friends with Leo.
bryan callen
I don't want to be that guy.
I don't want to be, all due respect, I don't want to be the good friend to the big celebrity.
joe rogan
Unless you do something completely different.
Unless you do something that's completely outside the business.
bryan callen
Well, if you don't need that person.
If you're not part of their entourage.
joe rogan
Yeah, like maybe David Sinclair talks about who's friends with you.
That kind of thing.
unidentified
Yeah.
joe rogan
I know Brian Callen.
I'm friends with him.
bryan callen
I like that.
joe rogan
People are like, oh, well, you're a respected Harvard psychologist or biologist.
bryan callen
Well, I got very excited when Lex Friedman came to my show.
I mean, yeah, he's a fucking brainiac.
joe rogan
MIT scientist, a legitimate genius.
bryan callen
Yeah, and a black belt in judo and jiu-jitsu.
joe rogan
Yeah, yeah, great guy.
But that is, that's different.
That's someone who's accomplished in a different realm.
It's the people that are in that business that are like trying to be producers or trying to be a this or trying to be a that.
It's like there's so much weirdness going on out here in terms of like people being inauthentic.
bryan callen
Did I tell you the story about how I was in Boston at the Wilbur and then we went to this club?
Did I tell you where there were these three Ethiopian guys and my buddy's girlfriend's Ethiopian?
Did I tell you the story?
joe rogan
I don't think so.
bryan callen
Oh, so I'm with Lex Friedman, black belt.
I'm with my other boy, Rob, who's a black belt, 6'4", 230. I'm with Brian Cooley, who owns Gracie Baha in fucking Nashville.
He's 6'6 to 70?
joe rogan
Yeah.
bryan callen
6'6 to 70. A Viking.
A fucking Viking.
Wears his hair in a ponytail blonde.
Giant.
42 years old and still competes in jiu-jitsu.
And then I got my boy Malik B, who came out of Mayweather's camp, boxed at wildcard forever.
He's been throwing a right hand since he was seven.
And Malik has his Ethiopian girlfriend and there are these four little Ethiopian dudes who are drunk and being shitheads and actually kind of dancing with the girls that are in the group and they had to be pushed away a couple times.
Anyway, finally the guy comes up to Malik and says, that girl belongs to us because she's our sister and you and Malik's black but he's like fucking from Louisiana.
Right.
And so Malik, who's been fighting, goes, what?
And he goes, oh, Jesus.
He doesn't say anything.
He's just too happy.
He just goes, whatever.
And I go, what did he say?
And I go, what are you saying to us?
And the guy goes, that's our sister.
She shouldn't be with you guys.
She's with us.
And the Ethiopian girl, Helena, goes, you're being disrespectful.
So Brian Cooley said they don't know that they're surrounded by literally four black belts A great boxer.
And then me, the idiot, the loudmouth, who's probably going to be the first guy to throw a punch because I'm insecure.
So we're all there.
And these four guys who are maybe 5'7", never done a sport in their life.
And Brian Cooley just looks down at the guy and goes, Hey, bro, you know the movie Jaws?
Jaws?
And the guy goes, Huh?
And he goes, The movie Jaws.
You know that movie?
And the guy goes, Yeah.
And he goes, Right now in this scenario, you're the girl.
You guys are the girl swimming in the water.
You understand?
You're swimming in the water and you got no idea you're about to be pulled under.
Do you understand what I'm saying?
And he's just giant looking down.
And then you see the human guy go...
And he sees the circle kind of tightening and he just looks at everybody and he goes...
He just goes like this.
He goes, oh...
Gives his double thumbs up.
joe rogan
At least he's smart.
bryan callen
Fuck yeah!
And his friends are like, ah.
And they were drunk and just kind of moved away in a group.
It would have been so bad for them.
joe rogan
Men and egos.
bryan callen
So bad for them.
That's the greatest metaphor.
You know the fucking movie Jaws?
joe rogan
Well, that's John Jock's metaphor.
bryan callen
Oh, it is?
joe rogan
Yeah, John Jock's metaphor for jiu-jitsu.
bryan callen
Oh, fuck.
joe rogan
Yeah.
He said, the ground is the ocean, and I'm a shark, and most people can't swim.
bryan callen
You know, I train with Hegan.
joe rogan
Oh, he's great.
bryan callen
Oh, the best.
I fucking love him.
joe rogan
He's got some very controversial system where he's teaching people, celebrities, jiu-jitsu and giving them belts, but they don't really spar.
bryan callen
Well, they're celebrities.
I will always spar.
Here's the thing.
He taught me a lot of Greco stuff, which was really cool.
I love that shit.
joe rogan
Hegan's a beast, man.
bryan callen
Oh, my God.
joe rogan
In 2003 in Abu Dhabi, I was doing time for him in Sao Paulo.
I was holding the time.
He was like, tell me how much time?
Because he wasn't in the best shape, so he would conserve his energy.
bryan callen
Of course.
joe rogan
He's just so technical, he could get away with beating really good guys without being in tip-top condition.
I'm sure.
You ever see the video of him rolling with Hickson, fighting with Hickson?
bryan callen
No.
joe rogan
Yeah, there's a famous jiu-jitsu film.
It's in black and white, and it's probably from...
Shit.
89 or 1990 or some shit.
Like pre-UFC. And they're in Rio at a jiu-jitsu tournament back when there was no jiu-jitsu tournament.
What year is this?
What does it say?
bryan callen
Hegan had 360 fights.
joe rogan
It just said 86. Look at this.
86, man.
So this is like me when I was just getting out of high school.
unidentified
Wow!
joe rogan
It's Hickson on the bottom, Hegan on top.
bryan callen
Look at how relaxed he is.
joe rogan
Dude, they had a battle.
Dude, Hegan at the time was a fucking beast.
bryan callen
Hegan's way bigger than Hickson, by the way.
joe rogan
He is.
And this is a real battle.
It's a really interesting match to watch as well because they're both so technical.
bryan callen
Hegan studied so many other things.
He was an amateur boxer for a long time.
But he did a lot of wrestling with the guys.
joe rogan
He rolled to try to get Hickson's back.
He keeps getting Hickson's back.
But he gets shook off.
unidentified
Oh, shit.
joe rogan
He rolls him over.
Yeah, Hegan was a big fella.
bryan callen
Yeah, big and strong.
210 to 20. Look at this though.
joe rogan
Hickson on top.
unidentified
Wow.
joe rogan
Hickson rolled them.
I mean, these guys, they really went for it too.
It was a really wild sort of a match with a lot of scrambles.
bryan callen
I didn't know this.
joe rogan
Yeah, you should watch it.
It's really interesting.
I didn't know it was 86. I would have guessed it was 90 or 91. Now, the game has changed so much since, right?
It has.
bryan callen
But not fundamentals.
joe rogan
Yes, but the guys who have exceptionally sharp fundamentals still dominate.
Like Hodger Gracie.
Hodger's never been a guy who adopts the new aspects.
Look at that beautiful sweep by Hegan that Hicks encountered.
Hodger's never been a guy who adopted a lot of the crazy new techniques.
Roger Gracie's all, actually he calls himself Roger or Hodger, I'm not sure, but he's like straight up old school, arm bar, pass, triangle.
bryan callen
Just that system of fundamentals.
joe rogan
Yeah, the fundamentals.
bryan callen
If you watch really good wrestlers, they do the same, like high-level wrestlers.
They're still doing ankle picks.
They're still controlling the head and hips.
They're still double and single-legging.
joe rogan
Well, Jean-Jacques has a way of talking about it.
He said, the more jiu-jitsu I know, the less I use.
bryan callen
Wow.
joe rogan
Yeah.
It says I use like five things.
Yeah.
bryan callen
It's timing.
joe rogan
Yeah.
Did you ever see when Jean-Jacques first started competing in Abu Dhabi?
He was one of the first Gi champions to do no Gi and be really successful because Jean-Jacques was born with a genetic deficiency in his left hand.
He doesn't have a left hand, he just has a thumb.
And so because of that, he never relied on grabbing things.
He never relied on grabbing the gi.
He relied on a more Greco-Roman-based style of over hooks and under hooks.
So when he would roll with those guys, it's like, good, there's nothing to grab.
I never grabbed anything anyway.
And so he would just dominate people.
Even guys like Sakurai, who's a top-level MMA guy, just fucking ran through him.
Sakurai.
bryan callen
Sakurai.
joe rogan
Hayato Sakurai, who was like a beast back in the day.
Yeah, he ran right through him.
He ran right through a bunch of guys.
bryan callen
So cool.
joe rogan
Yeah.
And it's, you know, those guys that do that style, like Jean-Jacques style is the same way, man.
He's never been like a guy who does a lot of wild, fancy stuff.
bryan callen
Yeah.
joe rogan
But there's a lot of guys who do wild, fancy stuff that are like super successful with that, too.
bryan callen
Look, there are great boxers, great boxers that use ones and twos the whole fucking fight.
joe rogan
Oh, yeah.
bryan callen
They might throw two hooks.
joe rogan
Just finding something.
What's that Bruce Lee expression?
Don't beware of the man who knows 10,000 techniques.
Beware of the man who knows one thing that he's practiced 10,000 times.
bryan callen
Well, it's like the Book of Five Rings.
Miyamoto Masashi talks about Like, the practicing, real sword fighting literally is reaching and you have time for one strike.
And that's what he would practice over and over.
I mean, he said very rarely does ever a fight, a sword fight, go to a duel.
Like a ching-ching-ching.
That doesn't happen.
And that shit is like, it's final.
joe rogan
When Musashi fought so many people, he'd get bored and he'd start fighting people with ores.
bryan callen
What?
joe rogan
Yeah, he made wooden swords out of oars and he would fight people with oars.
bryan callen
Well, he had a famous school where they would practice like, you know, where it was basically as realistic practice as you get.
Yeah, he said the only way to practice for that is that mindset.
joe rogan
God damn, imagine realistic practice with swords.
bryan callen
He would do things like get you, like if you were about to think, he would turn you toward the sun so the sun was in your eyes.
joe rogan
Oh yeah, and he would also show up really late.
bryan callen
Really?
joe rogan
He was into showing up really late.
bryan callen
And used two swords?
joe rogan
Yeah, hours late.
bryan callen
Yeah.
joe rogan
Hours late.
So you'd be freaking out for hours while he's taking a nap.
unidentified
Damn.
joe rogan
Because the guy would be waiting on the beach, and then he would show up hours late, and he wouldn't even have a sword, just use an oar.
unidentified
What?
joe rogan
And fuck you up with an oar.
bryan callen
What?
joe rogan
Yeah, because oars are longer.
So you've got this sword, and you're standing there with a sword, and this guy comes out with a long stick and just fucking cracks you over the head with it.
bryan callen
Not a good thing.
joe rogan
Well, he was a big man, too.
He was an interesting guy, man.
I mean, to understand what it takes to defeat more than 60 men in one-on-one combat.
bryan callen
Well, it's also not combat.
This is life and death shit.
This is like, you know, sword play.
Getting cut with a sword is not...
Swords are not terribly forgiving.
Bullets are more forgiving than is a sword.
joe rogan
Yeah, in a lot of ways.
bryan callen
Yeah.
You're not walking away from a bloody throat.
joe rogan
It's also a very personal way to fuck somebody up.
bryan callen
Dude, you feel and hear and see them breathing.
I mean, everything.
joe rogan
Someone's head just falls and their body's still standing up.
bryan callen
God damn.
joe rogan
And their body collapses.
bryan callen
Or you cut their arm off.
unidentified
Oh!
joe rogan
Yeah, imagine living in a day where that shit was going on all the time.
bryan callen
Oh my god, France!
In France, there were so many duels.
People would walk around with swords and there was a time in France where just, you'd see people with like, they'd lose, they'd have no ear, they'd have constant scars or no nose.
joe rogan
But you know, that was like a sort of a badge of honor for Nazis.
Nazis had dueling scars.
unidentified
Really?
joe rogan
Did you know that?
bryan callen
No.
joe rogan
Oh my god.
Pull up Nazi dueling scars.
Now here's where it gets really weird.
A lot of the Operation Paperclip scientists that the United States brought over from Nazi Germany.
When Nazi Germany was defeated in World War II, the United States took on all their scientists and brought them over to work for NASA. Wernher von Braun.
Wernher von Braun, the head of NASA, was a fucking straight up, complete 100% Nazi.
In fact, the Simon Wiesenthal Center said that if he was alive today, they would prosecute him for crimes against humanity.
bryan callen
Right.
joe rogan
I mean, he was a real Nazi.
bryan callen
Yep.
joe rogan
Him and his cabinet, all those fucking guys they brought over, they all had these massive cheek scars.
bryan callen
Really?
joe rogan
Yeah, they had scars all over their face.
bryan callen
From duels?
joe rogan
From duels.
They would wear goggles.
And they would wear some kind of protection on their body, and their faces would get sliced open.
Wow.
And they relished it.
It was like a cool thing to have, like a big scar on your face.
So who showed us that?
Do you remember who showed us that?
jamie vernon
I don't know, but as I'm doing that, something popped up that I hadn't seen before.
It's actually called Modern Academic Fencing, or the Menser in German.
joe rogan
I love combat like that.
jamie vernon
They're not just fighting to fight.
joe rogan
There's no winner or loser in it.
Well, that's interesting, but this what I want to see is just pull up the images of Nazi dueling scars because they're horrific like these guys like post duel with look at that one guy with the goggles on with his face slashed open See that down there?
Yeah, look at that.
Look at that They'd cut their face like that.
Yeah, so you'd have something that covers your nose and your eyes.
And look at this, he's got a giant slash in his forehead, a giant slash on his face.
Yeah, see that guy with the blue arrow on his face?
Like that kind of shit, those scars on the faces, they would all have those.
unidentified
Wow.
joe rogan
Click on that guy right there.
Look at that.
They all had those kind of scars on their face from dueling.
Look at that guy below him.
Right below him.
No, right below him.
Right below him.
The big image?
Yeah, right there.
unidentified
Jesus.
joe rogan
Look at that guy's face.
See, they all had those kind of scars on their face, and it was like to let everyone know these were bad motherfuckers that would, you know, have duels with swords.
bryan callen
That's crazy.
joe rogan
Yeah, it was really, really common, man.
Mensur, is that what you're talking about, Jamie?
Yeah, yeah.
M-E-N-S-U-R, and what's that stand for again?
unidentified
It's academic fencing.
joe rogan
It was in college they did all this.
bryan callen
I bet.
joe rogan
Yeah.
Fucking crazy, man.
The bragging scar.
Menser scars or the bragging scar.
unidentified
Yeah.
joe rogan
But there's some horrific pictures of these guys post-match where they were trying to piece their face back together again.
And you could literally see inside their face, see their teeth.
unidentified
Fuck.
joe rogan
Damn!
Yeah, and it was really common and so a lot of the Nazis that they brought over from operation paperclip to run NASA had these fucking scars on their faces So they'd be sitting there with Wernher von Braun and JFK and you'd see this guy with his giant face scar Yeah, it's crazy Swords, man.
Yeah, and they had those long, I think it was called, what do they call it, a rapier or something like that?
bryan callen
Rapier, yeah.
A rapier.
joe rogan
Oh, it calls it paracere.
It's a different version of it.
But they had those long, pointy swords.
bryan callen
Yeah, so you could, you know, slice you apart.
It takes this.
joe rogan
Yeah, and your nose is gone.
unidentified
Fuck that.
joe rogan
Yeah, fuck that.
But they all, like, wanted to get scarred up.
bryan callen
Of course.
It's like a cauliflower.
joe rogan
I guess.
bryan callen
It's all as old as time.
It's as old as time.
Young men.
joe rogan
Young men.
bryan callen
Wanting to be.
Wanting to prove.
Look at that.
They went into battle.
Young men go into battle with full of ideas of linear ideas of duty and honor and glory.
And then, unfortunately, war can many times make a mockery of that.
War is obviously a fog and insane and chaotic and unfair and not linear and crazy and It's horrifying and all those things.
And lacks dignity and all those things.
You see that a lot.
It seems to me that when a lot of soldiers I've spoken to had real combat experience, when they come out of that, it's very difficult for them.
There's a lot to come to terms with, and sometimes they have a lot of trouble.
Bringing their life back into a linear way of thinking.
joe rogan
How could it go from one way of life where everything is life and death?
bryan callen
Yeah.
joe rogan
Every corner you turn around, it could be the end.
Every day that you're out there could be the end.
bryan callen
Well, that's one thing.
Life and death is, again, linear and bilateral.
There are a lot of things that happen in war.
joe rogan
You keep saying winning by linear when you're saying that.
bryan callen
There are certain concepts.
When we, as human beings, I think most of us have a contract with life.
You know, you grow up and you say, if I work hard and I keep swinging, it's going to pay dividends, right?
And most of us live that way.
Most of us believe in fair play.
Like something about the universe is somewhat fair.
The universe rewards hustle.
The universe rewards, you know, we have these ideas and we have to believe in those ideas and usually we're right about it, right?
It's almost like we enter a game where we know I can jab and I can punch and I can hook, but sometimes you get fucking kicked in the face.
And you go, but that wasn't the role I was playing with.
It's like, hold on, I was boxing and you're doing MMA. And life does that to you.
Can do that to you to a point where you lose your faith in...
Who wrote Where the Wild Things Are?
I never forgot.
He said, are you a religious?
And he said, no, I'm an atheist.
The war took care of that for me.
You know, he saw too many things.
He saw too many children starve and die and all those things.
And I think that when things get bad enough in war, when you get that close to reality and that close to that chaos, Whatever contract you had gets shattered.
In fact, it gets mocked.
You are mocked by the insanity of it all.
And any notion, so when I say linear, what I mean is sort of like, I'll do this if you do this for me.
So it's a give and take, cause and effect.
joe rogan
Did you ever see Unforgiven?
I did.
bryan callen
I love that movie.
joe rogan
Do you remember when he kills Gene Hackman and Gene Hackman can't believe that he's going to die?
bryan callen
Mm-hmm.
joe rogan
It's not supposed to happen to him?
unidentified
Mm-hmm.
bryan callen
That's what they say sociopaths.
When sociopaths get convicted of life, oftentimes what happens is they look up and they go, what?
Wait, what?
Me?
And it all comes down because of what a sociopath like that, a criminal sociopath, usually believes is it's impossible.
They'll never get caught because they're too smart.
joe rogan
Is it because they're too smart or they think the world revolves around them and so the idea of them being punished?
bryan callen
Well, Hitler, you know, according to a historian, I can't remember his name, Buchholz, he said, I think it was John Buchholz that said, Hitler was so colossally self-involved, self-centered, that he truly believed that when the war was lost, and he came to the realization that the war was lost, he expected Germany to self-emulate.
He expected Germany, all Germans, to burn themselves.
To kill themselves and light themselves on fire, essentially.
He expected that from the German people.
unidentified
Really?
bryan callen
Because he was going to do it.
joe rogan
He actually said that?
bryan callen
Yes.
And he was going to do that.
That is according to Buchholz, the historian who follows his stuff.
unidentified
Jesus Christ.
joe rogan
Yeah.
bryan callen
And that's not uncommon for the great sociopaths, the great...
I mean, if you think about Genghis Khan, he truly believed that, and almost did, That he could dominate and own the entire world.
These people like Alexander the Great and those kind of people who were clearly, I'm sure their enemies didn't think of them as so great.
But they had this force of nature, this ability to believe in themselves to the point where they were going to own the world.
And some of them almost did.
joe rogan
Well, if you think about it, any kind of thing where you're trying to conquer something, say if you have a small tribe and there's another tribe that's close to the river and they have more resources and you're in dispute with them and you try to conquer that tribe, that is one level of this game.
We're going to get our warriors together.
We're going to sneak in the middle of the night.
We're going to attack them.
Maybe.
But the point is, there's that level.
So let's not call it a game, but let's say this is an endeavor.
This is a thing that you're doing.
With anything that anybody does, some people take it way further, right?
Like some people try an open mic night, and they go, this is kind of interesting.
I'll do stand-up every now and then.
They do it once a month.
Other people, they get obsessed.
They do it every fucking day, and they do 10 sets a day, and they live in New York City, and they take fucking cabs everywhere, and Ubers, and they live it.
They're like Mark Norman, right?
They live it.
That's the same thing with war.
It's the same thing with everything.
Same thing with fighting.
Same thing with everything.
You know, some people just they become obsessed.
It becomes everything.
It becomes their everything.
And they don't care about anything else.
They don't care about other people.
They don't care about the environment.
bryan callen
Yeah, that's trying to get really good at something.
But I think some people try to literally remake the world in their image.
joe rogan
I think so too, but I think that obsession carries on.
I think the obsession to conquer a neighboring tribe or to take over a town or to conquer a city or a country or a continent, there's just weird things that people do where they take things as far as they can be taken.
And they do that even with war.
That scares the shit out of me with China.
It really does.
Oh, here's something I wanted to talk about.
This is something I sent you, Jamie.
That 20 million cell phone users are missing from China.
bryan callen
Where does that stat come from?
Is that an American stat?
joe rogan
They don't know.
They don't know if this means there's 20 million casualties, because it also coincides with their switch to 5G. They switched from 5G in January.
So from January to March, China lost 20 million cell phone users.
Now, what does that mean, though?
It's hard to tell, but I think you could safely say, whatever they say the casualty number is, is bullshit.
bryan callen
Exactly.
joe rogan
That's pretty safe, because they've been bullshitting left and right about the whole thing.
You know, they go on Twitter, there's some branch of the government that's involved in propaganda that's trying to say this is a United States government creation.
bryan callen
Of course.
The Chinese are incredibly practical.
The Chinese, you know, a lot of people, and I'm speaking of the government, of course, I think when you live in a society that has been essentially communist or really at the mercy of a central authority and the all-powerful central authority for so long.
Forever.
It's also that's a society that treated religion with great disdain and suspicion.
So they didn't really have, even though there are small pockets of these different, but for the most part, I think when you forcibly rid a population of religion, What you are left with is something that takes its place.
Sure, an ideology like communism or whatever, but they're not really communists anymore.
But I do think what happens is you get a population that deals in practicality, that is, I'm sure, very good to each other when they know somebody, but also deals in things like cause and effect.
Not so much the over...
One of the things, a friend of mine, I'm speaking for a friend of mine who does a lot of business, billions of dollars in business with China.
And another friend, in fact, who does a lot of business with China did so and speaks fluent Chinese.
Both of them had something, an interesting observation, which was that when you speak about morality in a Judeo-Christian way, when you think about, you say, well, that's just the wrong way to do it.
That in dealing in business with a Chinese company is not necessarily – that's not really the way to approach business.
They are way more practical than that.
That doesn't mean that the average Chinese person is not moral or ethical.
I don't know.
But certainly you will get burned if you are playing by the rules that you are used to, which would be just don't do it because it's not the right thing to do.
joe rogan
Right.
bryan callen
That's not going to find its way a lot of times when you're dealing in commerce with China.
joe rogan
Well, you're dealing with a military dictatorship who thinks about things the same way they think about war.
bryan callen
Correct.
They are not our ally.
I believe they are our enemy.
I mean, they'll do whatever they can.
I think to get an upper hand.
They also now have enough wealth and they have a huge middle class where they can almost start, they're starting to become way more self-sufficient.
We don't have the symbiotic relationship we used to with China.
China doesn't need our consumers as much as they did, not even close.
They have their own consumers in their own country.
joe rogan
What's weird is that we need them.
What's weird is how much we need them for the manufacturing of medicine.
bryan callen
97% of all our antibiotics.
joe rogan
That is so crazy.
bryan callen
It's stupid.
joe rogan
How did we ever let that happen?
bryan callen
China and India.
joe rogan
How did they ever let that happen?
Is it because they could save money?
bryan callen
It's more efficient.
joe rogan
Is it more efficient or is it more cost-effective?
bryan callen
They're better at making it.
joe rogan
But why?
Do they have magic?
bryan callen
No, yes.
joe rogan
Then why can't we do it?
bryan callen
Their factories are amazing.
They're incredibly efficient.
But the Chinese...
See, people worry about the Chinese.
I don't think they'll ever be in our area code as innovators.
They steal from us.
They take our intellectual property, etc.
But that'll always be a catch-up game.
And part of the reason, I think, is that I love the quote from Why Nations Fail.
I believe China, yes, they put their Uyghurs in concentration camps.
I went in Beijing.
The first thing they said is, you cannot speak about the government.
If you say anything about the government, you will be sent home.
Oh, and by the way, here's a cell phone, Brian.
You can use WeChat.
You're not using your iPhone.
joe rogan
When was this?
bryan callen
This was when I did a movie this summer, two summers ago.
joe rogan
So they gave you a phone to use.
unidentified
Uh-huh.
joe rogan
And they said you can't use your phone.
bryan callen
And you don't get on Google.
You have to find thousands of firewalls.
You have to find all different ways to get over their firewalls because they control the internet there.
Make no mistake.
joe rogan
So can you use a VPN? I don't know what that is.
Virtual private network or ExpressVPN?
bryan callen
You try to do that and then they block that too, so you have to keep coming up with new ways.
I was right there with the production designer and assistant who was dealing with that issue.
joe rogan
So you're essentially at the mercy of their news.
bryan callen
Of course.
So here's the thing.
There's a great quote, and I've said it before probably even on this podcast, and I love it.
You can hold a gun to a man's head and make him move a box or a rock.
You cannot hold a gun to a man's head and make him have a great idea.
It's a great quote.
It's a great quote.
So China, Russia, you guys have great weapons and you have great power in manufacturing.
You will never be a country of great ideas because you oppress people and people can't give you motherfuckers the finger.
Xi is the most powerful man in China along with his people, his inner circle.
And if you, in any way, look at the whistleblowers.
Isn't it interesting that the whistleblowers, the original whistleblowers on the coronavirus are dead and they were doctors in their 30s.
Did they die of the disease?
Did they?
Or what happened?
A lot of them, a lot of the journalists, a lot of the journalists and a lot of those doctors were disappeared.
They just didn't, they're dead or they disappeared.
China can do that.
And somebody who lived there for their whole life, I was there, and he was an American and said, people get disappeared here all the time, dude.
You don't speak against the government.
It just doesn't happen.
And I think that's one of the great evils.
And that's what I worry about.
Anytime we have a pandemic like this, where the government can just shut you down, at the behest of scientists and doctors, I suppose.
But I get very worried when someone like Gavin Newsom can say, nobody's going back to work for a month.
I'm not saying that right now that isn't a sound policy.
I just get very worried when the government has that kind of power to shut all of us down without a discussion.
joe rogan
Once they start with that kind of totalitarian power, it's very difficult to turn that off.
bryan callen
That's right.
It's for our own good.
If you study history, it's always for the people's good.
joe rogan
Well, that's what Edward Snowden is warning everybody about this now.
He should be.
bryan callen
Hitler, when he came to power, talked about that.
He said, I think there was a fire in the Reichstag.
And he used these emergency powers to suspend civil liberties.
joe rogan
They started the fire so that they could do that.
It was a false flag.
bryan callen
There you go.
joe rogan
Yeah, they did that.
It's the same way Nero burned Rome.
unidentified
Yeah.
joe rogan
Same reason.
bryan callen
Yeah.
It's the age-old, you know, so just...
joe rogan
Well, that's what the conspiracy theorists think that 9-11 was.
bryan callen
Yeah.
joe rogan
Yeah.
bryan callen
Good for them.
I don't mind their...
I appreciate their paranoia.
I think that's American.
joe rogan
Yes.
bryan callen
I don't think that's a bad thing, and I think you should always be...
What's the fundamental question to political philosophy?
The fundamental question?
Who governs the governor?
joe rogan
Yes.
bryan callen
Very important.
joe rogan
Yes, very important.
bryan callen
Who the fuck governs?
Who's governing the governor?
unidentified
Yes.
joe rogan
Yeah.
bryan callen
I don't trust my government and I shouldn't.
joe rogan
No, you shouldn't.
It's also like people that have power, like the kind of unchecked power that you see in China, they're not going to give that up.
Career politicians.
They're going to fight for it.
They're going to fight for it.
Well, you see that with career politicians.
You see that with this bill that they're trying to pass to help people that are dealing with this coronavirus because they can't work and they're slipping all kinds of stuff in there.
bryan callen
Of course!
AOC and Bernie Sanders, they're all trying to...
joe rogan
Yeah, they're all slipping things in there about the environment.
unidentified
Of course.
bryan callen
It's like, hey guys, we want to fucking solve a problem.
joe rogan
Slipping into the stimulus package.
That is something that politicians do.
They utilize this moment to try to use it to leverage their own causes, their own pet causes, things that they think are also important.
bryan callen
There were a group of people that did that with the invasion of Iraq.
When 9-11 came along, they said, look, Iraq is harboring al-Qaeda terrorists.
They probably are getting weapons into the hands of people like al-Qaeda.
There was a whole story that was woven up, and that was a way of essentially crippling the fourth largest army in the world, which was Iraq, and making our allies.
joe rogan
Did you ever hear the Bill Hicks bit?
He goes, they said, Bill, Iraq is the fourth largest army.
He goes, yeah, but after the first three, there's a real big drop off.
He's like, the fifth largest is the Salvation Army.
bryan callen
It's so true.
Yeah.
unidentified
He had a whole great bit about the size of armies.
bryan callen
Well, we were in Afghanistan for, how long was it, guys?
joe rogan
18 years.
He goes, hey, Bill, they say, Bill, it's a war when there's two armies fighting.
bryan callen
Yeah.
joe rogan
He goes, but Bill, Iraq is the fourth largest army in the world.
bryan callen
Doesn't mean we won't stay there.
joe rogan
He had some great bits, man.
Some great points about shit.
bryan callen
Thought outside the box.
That's what I'm always amazed at, is how these things can carry on.
Somebody did a really cool, funny thing about how every general in the Iraq, in the Afghanistan theater, every single...
Every single year would say, we are at a turning point where the Taliban will be under our control.
Every time they would make a case for the Iraq war, more money, I'm sorry, for the Afghan war, more money, more logistics, all those things that required more troops, the generals would say, we are, it was always the same wording, we're at a turning point And we just need a little more.
joe rogan
Well, that's what they have to say.
But what's interesting is if they really did accomplish that, they'd actually cut off the honeypot.
bryan callen
Of course!
joe rogan
They wouldn't have the money coming in.
That's the darkest conspiracy ever, that war is prolonged in order to prop up the military-industrial complex.
And what's really crazy about the military-industrial complex is when there was Eisenhower talking about it on TV, which was really terrifying.
That was when the first people were introduced to this concept.
But Trump was talking about it recently.
You know, Trump's doing this thing.
He's like, well, you know, this is a military-industrial complex and these guys want to go to war.
Like, he's just saying it sort of casually.
Like, hey, man, who are you talking about?
Like, who are these fucking people?
bryan callen
There's a lot of money in it.
joe rogan
Oh, my God.
bryan callen
And not only that, there are other people, non-governmental organizations, too, that get raided by their burn rate.
So we're going to build a dam here.
Well, we don't need a dam here, but we're going to build it anyway because we're allotted that money.
There's a lot of that goes on.
So that's why with conspiracy theories, I'm way more apt to believe that the government is way more incompetent than it is competent.
It's just a massive, bloated bureaucracy that doesn't run well.
And I know, guys, I know there's a group of people controlling everything.
Get the fuck out of here.
joe rogan
There's a little bit of that.
There's definitely a lot of incompetence, but there's also a lot of collusion.
There's also a lot of people doing things specifically because they know it's profitable.
bryan callen
You can make money.
joe rogan
Yes, yes.
And also, look what they're doing to Bernie Sanders to try to keep him from winning the DNC, or rather from winning the Democratic nomination.
They've conspired, and they put a guy who literally is going senile.
bryan callen
That's what's shocking to me.
joe rogan
In front of our eyes.
bryan callen
That's what's shocking.
joe rogan
And they're trying to pretend it's not happening.
bryan callen
How about Amy Klobuchar?
She's great.
joe rogan
She didn't know who the president of Mexico was.
She had no idea what his name was.
She's doing an interview with a guy from Mexico, a journalist.
bryan callen
But she's a smart woman who...
I just think she's way more moderate and she seems articulate.
joe rogan
You need some of this.
But Biden's 79. Listen, just because someone seems articulate doesn't mean they should be the president.
bryan callen
True.
joe rogan
If you don't know who the president of Mexico is, maybe you haven't done enough studying.
bryan callen
Yeah.
Do you know who the president of Mexico is?
joe rogan
I have no idea.
I'm not trying to write for president.
I barely know the guy from Canada, the Trudeau guy.
I just know him because he's been busted with blackface.
bryan callen
I'm like, LOL. Well, his father was the longtime premier.
joe rogan
Listen, man, I don't think anybody should be president.
Really?
Yeah, no.
I think it's a terrible idea.
I think there's no way you really can be responsible for all those things.
There's no way you could really be well-read on all the different variables and everything when it comes to economics, when it comes to the environment, when it comes to military operations, when it comes to the fucking...
Energy and industry.
There's no fucking way one person.
It should be a large group of people that essentially have no stake in the game.
It should be people that have no ability to profit whatsoever.
They get a healthy income and they cannot profit outside of that.
There should be some sort of a regulation.
And then after you're gone, it should be impossible for you to make speeches to banks where you get paid a half a million dollars.
bryan callen
Well, there's supposed to be a cooling off period.
And Elizabeth Warren wanted a two-year cooling valve period.
I think right now there's only a six-month or an eight-month.
If you work for the Department of Defense, you can't go back to Raytheon or Boeing.
You're not supposed to be able to go back for at least two years.
joe rogan
Oh, great.
bryan callen
And vice versa.
joe rogan
So two years, you go, man, two years, I'm going to be so rich.
bryan callen
Exactly.
joe rogan
Oh, boy.
24 months goes by quick.
bryan callen
Yes, it does.
joe rogan
It should be 200 years.
bryan callen
I agree.
It should be a large...
joe rogan
It should be like the Scientology contract.
bryan callen
Yeah.
joe rogan
Where it's billions and billions of years.
bryan callen
You can never do it.
joe rogan
Do you know that?
Yes, I know.
bryan callen
It's a billion-year contract.
joe rogan
That's a wonderful contract.
bryan callen
Yeah.
joe rogan
It's enforceable.
bryan callen
Yeah.
One billion.
One billion years.
One billion.
unidentified
Oh.
bryan callen
Yeah, man, I don't know.
joe rogan
Not that there's anything wrong with Amy Klobuchar.
Look, I think Tulsi Gabbard was the most interesting of all of them to me.
And they shut her out quick.
As soon as she sank Kamala Harris, like, danger.
bryan callen
Why did they shut her out, though?
joe rogan
Because of the Kamala Harris thing.
They wanted Kamala Harris to win.
And she sank her in one debate when she stated all those irrefutable facts.
And everybody was like, whoa, she's throwing bombs!
bryan callen
She did, didn't she?
joe rogan
And they fucking cut her out of the mix after that.
They cut her out of the mix quick.
It's interesting, man, because it's obviously not let's see who the people choose.
It's let's manipulate the opinions of the public.
This is what the whole game of running a campaign is.
Let's prop someone up.
Let's make them look great.
Let's have these ads with wonderful music and them standing there looking presidential.
And then even in spite of all that, you've got this poor guy in Joe Biden that is experiencing dementia.
bryan callen
Is he 77?
How old is he?
joe rogan
Yes, and Bernie's older than him.
bryan callen
Bernie's 80. He had a heart attack, right?
joe rogan
He had a heart attack while he was on camp.
bryan callen
That's a big problem.
joe rogan
Took a few days off and is like, we're back!
We're back in for the people!
bryan callen
Look, Bernie at least believes what he says.
He's also, though, one of the knocks on him is people are like, He's not interested, and if you ask him how you're going to pay for all this, you're talking about Bernie looks at the world as right and wrong, and it's a moral issue for him.
So, and he is, and he did take his honeymoon in the fucking Soviet Union.
Say what you will, I do believe the guy is essentially a closet communist.
unidentified
Ooh!
bryan callen
Yeah, I said it.
joe rogan
Son of a bitch.
bryan callen
I said it.
I said it.
And I always marvel at socialists, it's not...
joe rogan
Democratic socialists, it's a difference.
bryan callen
Yeah, but I still marvel at the idea that if you really trust government, Again, it comes down to, are they as efficient as the marketplace?
In some ways, they might be.
But in other ways, they may not be.
I don't know how...
They're not doing a great job with the homeless situation in California, are they?
joe rogan
It's the worst job ever.
bryan callen
Yes.
joe rogan
They really fucked that up.
There are a lot of bad worst jobs.
I don't know if you could blame that on democratic socialists.
That's blamed on...
unidentified
I'm not.
joe rogan
It's actually a law that you can't remove someone from a place unless you have another place to bring them to.
bryan callen
Yes, yes.
joe rogan
And it was a law to protect poor people and people that were harassed.
And then it became a homeless law.
And now you go into the underpasses.
And this is my thing that I've always said.
How come it's okay to litter for them?
They're basically littering.
They have junk stacked up.
If you throw a fucking coffee cup, rightly so, out a window, the cops should be able to pull you over and give you a fucking ticket.
And you should have to pay that goddamn ticket.
But if you were just...
Tent and you have boxes and shit and cardboard all over the place.
You're allowed to do that and people have to leave you alone.
It's not good for them.
It's not good for anybody to allow these gigantic homeless encampments to appear under bridges.
And I don't know what the solution is, but I just think that alone, like if you put that on the governor or the president or the mayor, Goddamn, that's a problem.
That's a problem that's gonna take so much money.
bryan callen
It comes from opiates, it comes from mental illness.
joe rogan
They're already 40 or 50 or whatever they are.
What are you gonna fix them?
Do you know how hard it is to fix a person who's kind of got their shit together?
How hard is it to get Bert Kreischer to stop drinking?
unidentified
It's so fucking true.
joe rogan
How hard is it to get a person who's got their shit together but has a problem?
Like, can't stop smoking cigarettes.
Can't stop gambling.
How many fucking people do you know that are like that?
All of our friends have one thing that they're just like fucking compelled.
Now imagine compounding that to 70,000 people that are at the bottom end of it.
So instead of at the top end of it, someone who makes a good living, who has a family and has life insurance and is also a fuck up.
Instead of that...
You've got someone who's never had anything.
And people have been fucking them over their whole life.
And they've been on drugs since they were young.
And they were sexually abused and physically abused.
And they went to juvenile home.
And maybe they were in foster care.
And they were beaten and abused.
bryan callen
And then here they are at 40. Their brains literally changed.
Yes.
There's an amazing fucking book by this guy named Joe Newman called Raising Lions.
I just read it.
Man, I wish I'd read this book when my kids were three.
This guy, they bring this guy in.
So in the past, I don't know if you know this, but in the past 10 years, Bipolar disorder in children has been diagnosed 40 fold.
unidentified
Jesus Christ.
bryan callen
Now that doesn't mean, and you know what the solution is typically in the psychiatric ward?
Medication, medication, then medication.
That's the third option.
And Joe Newman comes in a lot of times.
It's a fucking great book.
And he comes in and essentially will say, this kid's throwing tantrums and is impossible to deal with because he is profiting or she is profiting from that behavior.
Kids are way smarter than you think they are.
And he instills sort of a very, very interesting approach that I've used.
I fucking love the book.
It's a short, small book.
But when you think about, without going into the book and stuff, the reason I bring it up is when you think about, you can change.
You can literally change a child's brain.
By instilling certain behaviors, certain boundaries, certain protocols as a parent, as an adult, as an educator.
Because what you do is you get them to exercise self-control.
You get them to exercise a form of mood stabilization for themselves.
But you have to do it in a certain way.
When you don't do that with children, when you let them go crazy, freak out, and put them inside isolation rooms, a lot of times what we'll do is we'll There's nothing we're doing wrong.
We're not doing anything wrong as adults.
We're reasoning with them.
We're talking to them.
I don't know.
What we'll do is we'll medicate them because they're out of control.
And there is a window with children where you can actually let them keep going down that path and they are basically...
And then you put them on these mood stabilizers.
You put them on psychotics.
You put them on anticonvulsive drugs.
Sometimes they're on four medications that are in a row.
And he's had great success coming in and changing all that because what happened was you just weren't getting the kid to exercise the muscles of self-control.
And there's a way to do that.
It's very simple, a very interesting book.
But what I'm saying is that there is a fucking window with kids where if you don't get to certain kids at a certain time with a good behaviorist, You're in deep fucking shit, and their whole life spirals out of control, and then it goes into substance abuse and everything else.
So you're talking about now adults who've had all that abuse?
I mean, I don't know what you would do.
I really don't know what the fuck you would do, because they're self-medicating to begin with.
joe rogan
They're self-medicating to begin with.
They've been addicted to drugs most of their lives, or all of their behavior has been formed while they're addicted to drugs.
This is a giant problem with people that are In their 40s and 50s who've been drug abusers their whole life.
Imagining a world with no drugs and no escape from reality and having to be accountable for your actions and then also having to deal with the things that have been done to you.
And to try to figure out a way to heal from your childhood and your life is over.
Your body's starting to fail you, right?
You've been abusing yourself for all these years.
And the idea that there's some simple solution to dealing with 70,000 people at various stages of that that are currently homeless.
Some of them that may be able to recover pretty quickly.
They're just on the street for a little bit.
They're going to get their shit together and they're going to get out of this.
They're determined.
There's a lot of people like that.
I think people vary widely.
bryan callen
Of course they do.
joe rogan
They vary so much.
bryan callen
But the addiction rate, if you look at the people that really follow this, the addiction rate and the amount of mental illness is very high.
joe rogan
Very high.
bryan callen
And I think, this is where I think, like in Singapore, you'd never, in Singapore they'd just start to be put in homes.
Terrific.
I do think that there's something humane about taking people who are rolling their own shit up in a ball.
Look, I mean, by the way, you know, schizophrenics, those people need to be taken care of.
And they need to be...
I don't think it's a terrible thing to show up in a padded wagon and take them into a protective...
joe rogan
Be careful with that, though.
bryan callen
Be careful with that.
joe rogan
Someone might say you're fucking crazy.
bryan callen
I know.
joe rogan
Scoop you up.
bryan callen
I know.
That's why it was unconstitutional.
joe rogan
Well, yeah, that's why you move the boundaries, right?
And this is the argument against what we're saying, right?
You move the boundaries in any direction where it's not total freedom, and then it can slide further from there.
bryan callen
That's the problem.
How do you define mental illness, right?
So that's when you say, well, you're mentally ill, so you can't own a gun.
Well, people go, well, how do you define mental illness?
You define that as, I had an anger management issue at my work once.
I suffer from depression.
How about this?
joe rogan
How about the most polarizing?
Religion versus no religion.
There's people that think that if you are religious, that you have a mental health issue.
And there's people who are religious that think that if you're an atheist, you have a mental health issue.
This is like a very polarizing line in the sand that I've heard argued by intelligent people.
bryan callen
I've never heard that.
joe rogan
I've seen intelligent people that have blinders on that think that if you're an atheist, you're a fool, and you probably have a mental illness, and you probably have this extreme belief in science above God and above the laws of the Bible, and they'll say it in this articulate way, like, God damn, this guy believes that.
He really believes that all atheists have a mental health problem.
So if you get a person who's in a position of power that can also run this ideology, they have this ideology, like one of the things that almost all presidents do, but particularly right-wing presidents, ever since Reagan started introducing the religious aspect of the right into politics, they made it a big deal during the Reagan campaign.
You see that so many presidents, particularly on the right, They have to talk about God.
They have to.
They have to talk about God.
bryan callen
It's a Christian nation, still.
joe rogan
You bring people in.
You're on my side.
I'm not on the God side.
And you see that argument argued by many people who are like fevered Trump supporters.
The really, really wacky ones are like super into God wanting Trump to be our president.
And then you get this group of people.
Well, if they get into power, And you've got some law in place that says that if you're mentally ill, you can be locked up.
How many steps does it have to take before it slides to you?
It might only take a few.
bryan callen
Yeah, and I agree.
Where I like religious thought in discourse and even in policy, it's limited, but I do like the idea that When you think that you can get human beings out of all problems using human rationality, mathematics and science, you better be careful with that too.
Because you can use math and rationality to justify some pretty horrific things as the Soviets and the Nazis did and everybody else.
So there is something really, really cool about – and Yuval Harari comes in on this and so does Jonathan Haidt.
There is something really kind of – One of the things Jonathan Haidt says, we're all religious.
All human beings are religious.
Some people are just religious about science.
Some people are religious about rationality at all costs.
Some people are religious about nutrition.
So you've got to take an inventory of your own brain and how your belief system works as well.
joe rogan
Politics are as close to religion as you can get.
bryan callen
100%.
joe rogan
There's also rewards for adhering to one or the other ideology, especially in an aggressive way, because then you get rewarded for being the watchdog of either right-wing values or left-wing values, progressive values, conservative values.
I suffer from it.
unidentified
Yeah.
joe rogan
We all do, man.
People have done it.
It's a thing that we do.
There's a reward there.
You pick it up.
bryan callen
Well, I got a kick out of this COVID thing.
Whenever somebody says socialist, I go like this.
I go, keep them away.
Get them away.
No socialists.
And I have a very visceral reaction to people like AOC or Bernie Sanders because I think that they're socialists, right?
But having said that, this COVID disaster, which nobody saw coming, Crippled the economy.
I know people who are very market-oriented people who said, we need this fucking $2 trillion stimulus.
That's a socialist measure.
I was looking for the government for a bailout.
I don't need it, but I want that $2 trillion in the system that had to be mandated by government politicians.
And in a COVID-19 scenario, guess what?
I'm a bit of a socialist.
You know, I find myself going...
joe rogan
That's why I think the idea of there being one or the other, these are two complex...
It's too many super complex issues to lump on one side or the other.
It's too hard.
A person who's an expert on financial intervention or industry intervention to provide medical equipment to deal with the respiratory virus that hits people at an unprecedented rate, that's not a left-wing or right-wing thing.
That's a thing.
And if that gets lumped into socialism versus libertarianism, we got a fucking real problem.
Because that's a good idea for everybody.
bryan callen
Yes.
joe rogan
Right?
bryan callen
Yes.
Well, Jordan Peterson said something I never forgot.
He said, when you get down to the level of detail, when you're trying to solve problems, get food on, you know, get a lot of protein and carbohydrates and fats into the...
Let's say 300 million human bodies or just running a restaurant or whatever it is when you're trying to get something done, get manufacturing of medicines away from China and the United States.
When you get to the level of detail, left wing and right wing politics seem to go out the fucking window.
You're dealing with practicality now.
We've got to get a job done.
And I don't know if you're into fucking geese or if you're a trans.
I don't give a shit.
Can you do the job well?
Let's get this job done.
And then we can talk about the other stuff.
That's kind of what happens.
I noticed in a war zone when I was in Afghanistan...
I don't say Afghanistan anymore.
How come?
I don't know.
joe rogan
You became less authentic?
bryan callen
I like to be more American.
When I was in Afghanistan, I remember none of the soldiers would talk politics.
None of them.
They were like, I don't talk about that right now.
I got a job to do.
I got a job to do.
I know what my mission is and that's the way it is.
So when you get to the level of details, a lot of times, it's what I think a lot of times when you deal with people who live in a real world where they have to make a profit with their business or whatever they do when they live in the real world, they tend to be more moderate to maybe more market-oriented.
And when you get people that have been in an academic setting their whole life, In a political setting, their whole life where they make laws and you have academics that come up with theories to support those laws, they tend to be a little bit less practical, a little bit more theoretical, just by the nature of how they live their lives on a daily basis.
joe rogan
You know, it's interesting.
I was just thinking this while I was talking about these complex issues.
Like, why are we voting For a person, like one individual leader that handles all those things.
Why instead isn't there a vote for the person who's got the best solution to each of those individual problems?
And those are the people that run the country.
You know what I'm saying?
bryan callen
I do.
joe rogan
I mean, the idea that- I love that.
It seems like that's a possible idea.
bryan callen
You mean, so you'd get an economic stud, somebody made a lot of money to run the economy?
unidentified
Yes.
Yes.
joe rogan
Yes, you get an economic president.
bryan callen
Yes.
joe rogan
Yes, you get a war president.
bryan callen
Well, that's why I like Mitt Romney in a lot of ways.
Guy was fucking, you know, an economic stud.
He had a lot of stuff.
joe rogan
Yes.
bryan callen
But they hold that against you now.
joe rogan
Also Mexican.
bryan callen
He is?
joe rogan
His dad's Mexican.
bryan callen
I didn't know that.
joe rogan
His dad tried to run for president because his dad was born in Mexico.
He couldn't run for president.
bryan callen
I thought he was white as could be.
joe rogan
Well, he is.
Because he came from the Mormons who escaped and moved to Mexico so they can boink!
bryan callen
Yes.
unidentified
Boink!
joe rogan
They wanted to have all these wives.
Let's keep this party rolling.
bryan callen
Wow, big Mexican community down there.
joe rogan
Huge.
And that was the big story with the cartel.
They slaughtered nine of them, including women and children.
bryan callen
Why?
Did they ever find those guys?
Did they ever find out why?
joe rogan
They don't.
I don't think they have a definitive answer, obviously, because everyone's dead.
But I think they either did it because they were always in dispute with those people from the Mormon colonies.
Or because they mistook them for someone who was in another rival gang.
It's hard to tell.
The cartel, they're not big on interviews after they murder people.
So I don't know what happened.
I don't know if the people that shot them were punished by the cartel.
That was something that Ed Calderon said that would probably happen.
They would do it publicly because they don't want to start a war.
But look, the whole thing's crazy.
We've got a giant multi-billion dollar drug industry that's connected to us.
bryan callen
Yeah.
How about legalizing it?
How's the fucking war going?
unidentified
Not like that.
joe rogan
Like, imagine if you had to choose between, like, what are your big problems?
Is your big problem the massive amounts of drugs that are coming into the country that are killing people and addicting people?
Or is it important to hold it down in Afghanistan, some places on the other side of the planet?
You've got a place that's connected to you that's directly affecting people, like in this really weird way.
bryan callen
The best thing I ever heard Bill Maher say, the best thing was when he said, terrorism isn't going to kill you, America.
It's the corn syrup and all the shitty food you eat.
joe rogan
He's right!
He is right.
Fucking diabetes!
I don't know if it's him writing or his monologue writers, but they make some great points like that.
Those monologues that he does for real time, he makes some great points.
unidentified
Yes!
joe rogan
Funny shit, too.
But we have a problem in that whenever you tell someone that they can't do something, which I don't agree with at all.
Don't get me wrong about this whole drug issue.
I don't think you should be able to tell a guy who's 60 years old he can't do meth.
That fucking guy wants to do math.
unidentified
I agree.
joe rogan
He should be able to do math.
Here's the question is, should it be okay for you to sell him math?
Well, that's where it gets weird, because I know you're a piece of shit if you're selling math.
You're selling this poor guy math?
You know he doesn't need math, Brian.
He needs a hug.
bryan callen
This is what would happen.
If you made all drugs legal, they'd get zoned, they'd get taxed, there would be ways to do it.
Look, you want to do math?
The conversation would be like this.
It'd be exactly like this.
You want to do meth.
First of all, if you want to work for my company, no meth.
I got a private company, no meth.
You can't do meth.
I know it sounds crazy, but you're not an efficient worker.
You want to be a pilot?
No meth.
You want to be a cop?
No meth.
You want to work in my factory, heavy machinery?
No meth.
Video games, I mean, maybe it'll help you, but if you want to lose your teeth, go ahead, you fucking idiot, go ahead.
So I think, again, cocaine.
We're going to have very pure cocaine, and guess what?
To get it from leaf to powder, less murder.
No murder, in fact.
How's that sound?
It's locally sourced.
How's that sound?
You can do your blow.
And again, you want to do blow.
I got to wake up in the morning.
I can't be up all night.
I would love to do blow.
I love blow.
I can't do it because- How many times have you done it?
Probably five, six times in my life.
joe rogan
Wow.
bryan callen
Fantastic.
joe rogan
And you love it, and you've never done it more than that?
bryan callen
It's the best drug of all time.
joe rogan
Really?
bryan callen
It's the best drug of all time.
Again, the joke is when two people are doing blow, they start a business together.
You know what I mean?
It's like, let's just fucking open a candle store.
And it sounds like the best idea in the world.
But I don't do blow.
I'm not a drug guy.
I don't have time.
But the point is, if you had a place I could go, and it was pure, and it wasn't cut with a bunch of shit I don't know about, and I knew I could do it and fucking talk to my friend or have sex with some, you know, whatever it is, Maybe.
If I had time.
Maybe.
joe rogan
But if there was consistency.
bryan callen
Give me the responsibility.
joe rogan
If there was consistency.
bryan callen
Yeah.
joe rogan
Like, if all drugs that were dangerous were illegal.
bryan callen
Yeah.
joe rogan
Then maybe I could kind of get your point, but how many people die of overdoses every year of prescription drugs?
unidentified
A lot!
bryan callen
A lot!
joe rogan
How many people abuse prescription drugs?
bryan callen
A lot!
joe rogan
And alcohol!
Yeah, exactly.
Alcohol, which is one of the most destructive drugs and one of the most readily available.
And it's an essential that's open while we're keeping social distancing.
bryan callen
Yeah.
Alcohol.
Yeah.
So again, I ask you, tell me the difference.
So what we've done is supported a horrific criminal enterprise all over the world in all of Latin America.
joe rogan
And we continue to.
bryan callen
Yeah.
And so many innocent Mexican women and children and men and businesses and lives destroyed and so many Central American lives.
And it's just destroyed the fabric of those societies.
joe rogan
You're supposed to take care of this problem, and coronavirus, and the economy, and healthcare, and you're running for re-election, and North Korea, and Germany, and this, and that.
What?
bryan callen
All right.
I make all drugs legal.
joe rogan
I think that is a logical way of looking at it.
But I think that the growing pains of that would be people would lose their fucking minds at you if they lost their children during the growing pains.
And they can attribute their child overdosing on heroin because their son bought it legally and left it in the house and now someone's dead.
bryan callen
Sure.
And you'd have that.
And I think you'd have a lot less of that.
joe rogan
Eventually.
I think eventually.
bryan callen
I'd have a lot of this heroin would be regulated.
When you went to a store and bought heroin, just like with weed, you'd know exactly what you were getting.
You weren't getting a hot shot.
You were getting no what's the other fentanyl.
You'd know exactly what you were getting.
I'd have it.
I'd have a place you could do it if you wanted.
It'd be all kinds of stuff.
unidentified
Wow.
bryan callen
And then by the way, and you can't sustain that habit.
The people that are junkies would be junkies anyway, but at least there'd be a place, it would be a safe place for them to go and get it, maybe to do it like they do in Zurich.
But more importantly, I legalize all fucking drugs 'cause I don't know, 'cause this war on drugs ain't going so well.
joe rogan
There'd be a lot less murder, I'll tell you that in my opinion. - Well, we would need someone to figure out, first of all, how do you have less people that are, That's another Ed Calderon thing.
How do you have less people that are even interested in doing heroin?
Like, we've obviously done something terribly wrong if we have people that are interested in heroin.
Like, why are people willing to do drugs, like Crocodile?
You know that shit that people were shooting at their body that was making their...
That's the real problem.
In fixing it with a patch, Left or right oriented patch.
Be careful with the tip of that thing.
The knife pokes through it, stab me in the hand.
bryan callen
I love it so much.
joe rogan
That's a gift from Ed.
He's the same guy who brought me the death whistle.
bryan callen
I want a knife, dude.
Please give me one of these.
I want to carry this with me.
joe rogan
I figured out how to death whistle.
You just blow on it.
You don't have to cup it with your hands.
bryan callen
You're not as good as me.
joe rogan
I'd give it to you, but there's social distancing rules.
bryan callen
Give me that shit.
I don't give a fuck.
I was gonna say.
joe rogan
You can't.
bryan callen
I don't give a fuck.
joe rogan
People are watching.
We set a bad example.
bryan callen
That's true, actually.
joe rogan
But that's what I'm saying.
I mean, imagine someone who has to take care of each one of those things.
bryan callen
Yeah, it's a motherfucker.
joe rogan
Each one of those things is ridiculous.
A president of the homeless.
This one guy.
But we do that.
bryan callen
We have drug czars.
joe rogan
Yeah, but they don't have the kind of power that I'm going to give them.
bryan callen
Really?
joe rogan
Yeah, I'm going to give them presidential power.
I don't think one person should be able to let people out of jail and do this and move that.
What if we had one person that stays in his fucking lane?
What are you really good at?
bryan callen
But we have an energy secretary.
We have an education secretary.
unidentified
I know, I know.
joe rogan
But they work in this cabinet.
What I'm saying is like a king of immigration.
This is the king.
This is the person.
The queen of immigration.
The queen of environment.
Not even the environment.
bryan callen
You changed the title.
joe rogan
Yes.
So female wins it.
bryan callen
So you think giving apologists more power is the answer?
joe rogan
Kings and queens.
Entice them into the job.
bryan callen
I don't like this idea.
joe rogan
Well, call it a president.
Call it the head of.
We do.
bryan callen
We have czar.
Czar is fucking a king.
joe rogan
But no one big guy.
Yeah, but I'm talking about...
bryan callen
Do you know what czar means?
joe rogan
It's there.
They write the budget.
They do everything.
bryan callen
Yeah, but doesn't Czar come from, so you have the drug Czar, you've got the education.
Czar comes from Caesar, right?
Isn't that Russian for Caesar?
The king?
joe rogan
Is that what it is?
It's a Russian name.
It's a dope name.
The Czar.
Anytime you can say Czar.
bryan callen
Czar.
C-Z-A-R. I'd love to be a Czar.
joe rogan
When I made a drug Czar, I was like, what?
bryan callen
I'll be the sex Czar.
unidentified
Russian emperor.
joe rogan
What's that?
bryan callen
I know it means Russian Emperor, but I think Tsar means Caesar, doesn't it?
I think the root is...
joe rogan
If you had one person in this country that was autonomous, they didn't need the approval of the top president guy.
They just had a thing to solve.
They don't need his...
bryan callen
No, no, no, that'd be a terrible idea.
joe rogan
Why?
bryan callen
Because you have people...
joe rogan
For every different thing?
bryan callen
Well, I mean, think about an education queen.
I mean, look at Betsy DeVos.
She's got her ideas on how to run classrooms, but there's massive pushback from teachers and everybody else.
So I can fix that real easy.
Go ahead.
joe rogan
Which one loves Jesus?
bryan callen
She gets to kill people.
Now you're talking.
joe rogan
Which one loves Jesus?
Because that's the one I'm voting for.
bryan callen
All right.
joe rogan
I heard that argument about George W. Someone said, well, George W. is with Jesus, so I'm with George W. Wow.
Yeah, man.
bryan callen
There you go.
joe rogan
That's how you get in.
You want to be the education czar?
What do you want?
I'm teaching a bunch of fucking pagans about Zeus and shit?
Get the fuck out of here.
bryan callen
That's changing.
joe rogan
We need our Jesus.
bryan callen
Technology.
All the way back, technology with the Enlightenment, as you were able to predict the movement of the planets.
That was radical.
That went, hey wait, the Bible doesn't tell us that.
This guy, Halley, Albert Halley was able to predict Halley's Comet or Newton or Copernicus or Galileo who are proving this stuff mathematically.
They were revolutionaries.
Holy fuck!
It was so outrageous, but the church was like, wait a minute, this is destroying the existence of God.
When Einstein came along and said time and space are relative depending on how fast you're moving, what?
joe rogan
Think about how important education is, right?
It's the most important thing.
And just giving someone tools to shape their mind.
Now think of it in terms of the prestige that you get as being just a high school teacher.
It's nothing.
It's nothing.
No one cares.
You're doing one of the most important services to a young mind.
You're teaching them.
Literally filling their minds with information.
Yeah.
Imagine if someone was in charge of education in this country who could convince everybody, who had a real philosophy and a real strategy for educating kids and talked about it in a way like, this is how we're going to make it.
bryan callen
We do have that.
joe rogan
No, no, no.
One person who's the president of education.
bryan callen
Goddammit, you're about this one person.
unidentified
Yeah, yeah, yeah.
bryan callen
One person can't solve these problems.
joe rogan
We elect them.
We elect them.
bryan callen
It'd be a terrible idea because now you're creating a bunch of little presidents.
joe rogan
Who's going to be the president of education?
You need the wisdom of crowds.
Yeah, but this is the crowds.
They all get together.
bryan callen
Then you have to have open debate.
The president can't have all power.
joe rogan
What?
No, this is my new take on it.
We need dictators that are benevolent.
bryan callen
My god.
You're a monarchist.
You fucking monarchist.
joe rogan
Imagine if that's a strategy.
bryan callen
Joe Rogan the monarchist.
joe rogan
Imagine if that's what really works.
bryan callen
That's what used to happen.
The king had divine power.
joe rogan
You just have one really nice person who runs the whole thing.
bryan callen
One nice person.
joe rogan
One really nice person.
bryan callen
I don't believe in nice people.
I don't think they exist.
I believe human beings are...
unidentified
Oh, you're nice.
joe rogan
But you are one of the nicest people I know.
bryan callen
I am a nice person.
joe rogan
So that doesn't make any sense.
bryan callen
But I'd be a terrible cop.
joe rogan
That's one of the reasons why I've had to kick people out of your life.
bryan callen
It's true.
joe rogan
Because I'm like, hey man.
bryan callen
I trust everybody and I love everybody.
joe rogan
You love everybody.
You let everybody in.
bryan callen
I got fucked over recently.
Badly.
Financially.
joe rogan
I know you did.
And I was like, eh, fuck it.
Dude, there's a couple of times in your life where I've had to pull you aside.
I'm like, hey fucker.
bryan callen
Yeah.
joe rogan
If I didn't love you, I wouldn't be telling you this.
unidentified
Yeah.
joe rogan
It's time to run, son!
bryan callen
Yeah, it's true.
I am...
I suppose I'm...
I'd be a very bad cop because I'd be like, what happened?
joe rogan
Your dad hit you?
bryan callen
Like, what the fuck?
Alright, I'm gonna let you go, but goddammit if you do that, I'm so mad.
joe rogan
Don't shoot anybody else.
Promise me.
I'll let you go.
bryan callen
No, certain things I'd have no mercy for, though.
joe rogan
Of course.
Yeah, of course.
Yeah, and that's the thing, right?
There's like things that people can do where you're like, you know, child murder.
That's it.
bryan callen
See you later.
joe rogan
No coming back.
bryan callen
See you later.
joe rogan
There's things like that.
bryan callen
Even if I catch you with a large trove of child pornography, what am I going to do, dude?
If that's really what turns you on, I don't know what to do.
joe rogan
Have you seen one of the weird, you know, because progressive ideology, right, like we were talking about before, really is in some ways is a religion.
Just like conservative ideologies, it takes on some of the characteristics of a religion.
There was people predicting this, but almost in jest that one day people that are so progressive, they would look at people who are pedophiles and saying that this is just who they are.
This is their sexual programming, like how they are as a person, and we shouldn't judge them by who they are.
bryan callen
That's fine.
I can even...
Watch this.
I'll grant you that.
Watch this.
So let's say with like Robert Sapolsky's work or people like this who are studying this stuff.
We don't know.
We don't know.
I don't think people choose to be pedophiles.
What happens is they wake up and they go, I have this irrational attraction to children.
Okay, so you're attracted to let's say toddlers or something horrible.
Now, I grant you that your brain works this way.
I still can't have you...
If you have these impulses, I can't have you out in society, bro.
Now, if you want to volunteer for castration or if there's a way to get you to not have these urges, now we can talk.
But if I don't know how to mitigate or erase that kind of deep-seated programming, you've got to go away.
I've got to know where you are at all times.
Yeah.
This is why we incarcerate these people.
joe rogan
Right.
bryan callen
And so it's I think we're going to be facing that exact question.
We're going to be saying it.
The more we learn about the brain and that we're going to be realizing you are programmed a certain way.
OK.
We all are.
Now, to what degree?
If you listen to Sam Harris, Sam doesn't even believe in free will.
Sam will tell you, we have no control over the mechanics of how we make a decision.
When did it start?
I mean, what happened?
Sapolsky's book Behave is about this.
I don't know.
I still can't run a society that gives free reign to people that cause destructive harm.
joe rogan
You know the story about there was a guy who had a tumor in his brain.
bryan callen
Yeah.
joe rogan
And the tumor was literally turning him into a pedophile.
He has the tumor removed.
They prove it.
They prove the tumor's there.
He has the tumor removed.
All these thoughts go away.
They come back a few years later.
They do another MRI and they find out the tumor's returned.
Like, what do you do with that?
Because there's a guy like you almost...
He got sick.
He literally got sick and that sickness led to him being a criminal.
bryan callen
You can have a lesion on your brain the size of the head of a pin.
If it's in the right part of your brain, it will turn you into a homicidal maniac.
We know these things.
joe rogan
Really?
bryan callen
Yes.
joe rogan
The head of a pin?
bryan callen
Yes.
In fact, it's in a series of lectures in The Great Ideas of Psychology.
And it's really fascinating that you can, by Daniel Robinson or David Robinson, an amazing guy.
But yeah, and there is that case.
And there have been cases of this.
We know that there are parts of the brain when damaged can cause you to be fucking, you know, a maniac.
joe rogan
Imagine if they did that.
What if they did that to people?
Like if you really wanted to be the ultimate soldier and they had like a part of your brain that turns you into a berserker and they would just hit that switch.
bryan callen
Yeah.
Well, they say that a lot of, they do psyche evals on high-level operators.
And some of those people are able to shut off certain parts of their...
You know, they can be great fathers and husbands and brothers, and they can also shut off.
And when it's time to shut that off, everybody dies.
And they can...
It's called...
You can deviate.
It's called...
There's a term for it, like sociopath.
You can deviate into a sociopath.
You can deviate into that space and then come back.
joe rogan
You can make the decisions that have to be made and then come back to morality.
bryan callen
Yeah.
I think a lot of us can do that.
If you have an ideology, if you're protecting your homeland or whatever it might be, that's a formidable soldier who's trying to protect what he loves.
joe rogan
Well, and who faces the reality of the necessity of that.
Like, runs into really bad people in parts of the world that really are torturing and murdering people and making videos and putting them up on YouTube.
Like, you run into those kind of people and you actually see them in the world.
You see the damage they're doing to people in the real world.
bryan callen
I know a lot of soldiers who felt that way, who saw that shit, and they were like, listen, man, that's why I killed him and I slept well last night, you know?
joe rogan
There's something about what's going on now for all of us where there's this massive wake-up call as to the frailty of our society, how poorly we've thought out all the consequences of any sort of global pandemic or any natural disaster, how ill-prepared we are.
And this is a good opportunity to wake up and look at what we're doing and look how fucking soft we are.
Like, it's fine to be nice.
It's fine to be nice.
bryan callen
Well, have you noticed that now we're in this pandemic and you don't hear...
There's not a lot of talk about progressive...
joe rogan
No.
bryan callen
Ideas and equality.
joe rogan
Well, the real progressive ideas you're seeing from people like nurses and doctors and healthcare workers that are putting their fucking, their physical health on the line, taking care of these people and some of them are dying.
You're seeing people that are chipping in and food shelters and food kitchens and trying to feed people that are poor.
You're seeing people, there's a lot of people putting together GoFundMes.
The comedy store is putting together a fund right now to pay for the waitstaff.
There's all these different things that are happening that are people putting together that are happening organically.
This is what we want.
What we don't want is mandated Charity.
Mandated socialism.
Mandated.
And that's what people have a problem with.
Because what they're worried about is, in great times, in times that things are amazing, we're worried about people who don't want to do their share.
We're worried about people where you've created a simple, easy path for them.
And they've taken it every time and time again.
They're lazy and they don't want to do any work.
They don't.
There's people that are like that.
That's different than what we're experiencing now.
What we're experiencing now is the best case scenario for human nature in terms of the outpouring of generosity that you get from a lot of these people that are trying to help other folks that are in need.
Yeah, you're going to have some negative stories.
You're going to have that, too.
But what this really is is a wake-up call is that we've had it...
Really, really, really easy.
And because of that, we were finding things to be outraged at.
And the people that experienced real strife in their life and real difficulty, they get angry at that stuff.
And they get angry at that stuff for a reason.
Because self-indulgence is fucking dangerous.
Because it's catchy and because you tell all your friends that y'all have a good point.
The government should just fucking pay us.
We should just get paid.
Why do these billionaires have money?
There should be no billionaire.
bryan callen
How about good grammar being racist?
Because if you correct somebody's grammar, maybe that person didn't have the education and therefore you're being racist because maybe that person of color doesn't use the kind of grammar that's standard English.
This is a new idea too.
joe rogan
Yeah, there's a lot of these new ideas that people look for things to be outraged about.
Well, it's hard to get food, and again, right now, the power's still on.
Okay, right now, everything is at least three-quarters of what it was, minus the unemployment, right?
You're stuck at home, but you're with the people that you love.
You can talk to them on your phone.
You can watch Netflix.
You can do a lot of shit still.
You can't go to restaurants.
You can't go to movies.
You can't go to work, but you're kind of still around, and then you've got your financial issues.
What if it went one step further?
Do we not understand how fucking fragile this is?
What if it went one step further?
One rock from the sky slams into Chicago.
One big-ass fucking mile-wide rock slams into Chicago.
bryan callen
Or a volcano.
joe rogan
Or a volcano in Montana that won't stop bubbling.
How about that Yellowstone thing that's a giant caldera that's 300 kilometers wide or something stupid like that.
bryan callen
Supervolcano.
joe rogan
I think it's actually 600 kilometers.
bryan callen
That super blast would fuck us up forever.
joe rogan
It's huge!
How big is the caldera of Yellowstone?
bryan callen
Well, by the way, maybe climate change is a very real thing.
And most of us are walking around going, nah, not for us.
God will protect us.
joe rogan
Well, the problem with that is people weaponize the idea of arguing about climate change.
And if you even have...
A question about it, or if you even...
It's one of those things, and this is not that the experts aren't correct.
I am with the experts.
I'm with the science on it.
I'm 100% in belief that human beings are accelerating climate change.
That's not my point.
My point is, if someone even brings up, how do you know?
If you're arguing about it voraciously, right?
You're really into fucking...
Some people that...
I love arguing about climate change and they love putting you in your fucking place.
The oceans are gonna be on fire and they get crazy with it.
And if you even have a conversation, where are you getting your information from?
They don't really have a good source.
It's not like they've spent time studying these papers and looking at the trends and reading books on core samples and talking to you about these shifts and here's the problem with this shift.
bryan callen
This shift is different than the other ones because it's clearly CO2. I tried saying with a group of people, all I try to say is I go, I don't like Trump either, but I will say, and I was going to say, I appreciated his China policy and certain things.
I literally was met with this.
I went, I went, but I will, but, and then, oh, no, no, don't fucking, don't give me a butt on this!
You know, I'm like, Jesus Christ!
Are you that afraid of my ideas?
joe rogan
Well, there's a Trump thing.
Like, you either hate Trump or you love Trump.
bryan callen
Right.
joe rogan
You know, you can't say, like, I get criticized as being some sort of a closet Trump supporter because I say I think he's funny.
unidentified
Yeah.
bryan callen
I do too.
joe rogan
He's funny.
bryan callen
He cracks me up.
joe rogan
We're professional comedians.
bryan callen
He's hilarious to me.
joe rogan
He's funny.
Look, how about stuff that no one even gets hurt?
The one when he took Greenland and he put a giant Trump Tower on it and he tweeted, I promise not to do this.
unidentified
Yes!
bryan callen
He's hilarious to me.
joe rogan
That's funny.
That doesn't mean you're a Nazi, okay?
And I think this is going to calm some of that shit down.
This is going to give us real things to be outraged about.
And this is a wake-up call that our medical systems that we have in place to deal with pandemics, they're underfunded.
They're underfunded.
They have to be.
Or they're underutilized.
Or there's something wrong.
There's something wrong.
I don't want to say what the cause is.
I really don't know.
I'm an idiot.
Something has left us unprepared.
Okay, let's not blame anybody.
It is what it is.
No one saw this coming.
But now that we know that this can happen.
Yeah, this has never happened before.
All the years since 1776, we've never locked down the country like this.
But we did, and the whole world did.
So let's move forward with a fucking heavy emphasis on putting the brakes to that kind of shit.
Figure out what we have to do.
Is it because you only have a hundred scientists on it instead of a thousand?
unidentified
Yeah.
joe rogan
Because let's hire 900 more.
unidentified
Yeah.
joe rogan
Like, what are we doing?
You're spending so much money on other things.
bryan callen
Have a science king.
joe rogan
Yes.
A science king.
bryan callen
Let's have a fucking science king.
joe rogan
What's the difference between a king and a czar?
bryan callen
We have a tiger king.
Let's have a science king.
joe rogan
Yeah.
President.
Science president.
bryan callen
Science president.
joe rogan
Yes.
Everybody's a president of something.
Economic president.
unidentified
And that way, when something goes wrong, you'll go, fucking, if Trump just opened the borders.
joe rogan
No, you're like, don't.
No, it's the border king's problem.
bryan callen
Yeah.
joe rogan
The border king says we got to keep the borders closed.
It's not Trump.
Trump doesn't get to...
bryan callen
It's the border king.
We have a border king.
We have a fucking drug king.
joe rogan
We have a sky king.
bryan callen
We have a sky king.
Really?
Oh, he runs the skies.
joe rogan
Well, it makes sure it's clean.
The guy's up there with a fucking little strip.
bryan callen
I like that.
joe rogan
Testing it every day, scooping...
Like, hey, sky king, how come the sky's still dirty, you fucking idiot?
bryan callen
I like that.
joe rogan
And you blame the sky king.
unidentified
All right.
joe rogan
You can't blame Trump and his cronies.
You blame sky king.
bryan callen
I like it.
I want an elk.
joe rogan
You do.
You need to get one of those in your life.
bryan callen
You don't invite me.
joe rogan
Listen, you don't do it anymore.
You don't really do it.
bryan callen
Dude.
I'm dead-eye.
I'm game-eye.
joe rogan
Sweetie, I love you.
There's the level between doing what we did where you have a rifle and doing what we did.
Oh, no, you're doing bows.
It's so much work to get to the point where you can do it efficiently.
bryan callen
Oh, because you're doing bow hunts.
joe rogan
Yes.
bryan callen
How about I show up with a gun?
joe rogan
You could definitely do that if it's legal to have a gun.
The place for that for you would be Hawaii.
unidentified
Really?
joe rogan
Yes.
Lanai.
Axis deer.
bryan callen
Because they have to shoot them.
You and I need to go to my friend's property in New Zealand and shoot those red flags.
joe rogan
I'm sure.
But they probably need to shoot those too.
They do.
They do.
They don't have any predators.
bryan callen
He's got five private beaches.
God, he's got some money.
unidentified
Bring some wolves.
joe rogan
Bring some wolves to New Zealand.
bryan callen
Dude.
joe rogan
What could go wrong?
bryan callen
Great idea.
joe rogan
That's what they're doing in Colorado.
bryan callen
We need to go to his place.
He jet skis with fucking orcas.
He sends me video.
He's on his jet ski on his private beach, and he goes, ah, orcas under him.
joe rogan
The first family that gets eaten inside their tent by wolves, and that can happen and has happened in history, folks.
The first family that that ever happens to, we're all going to have a big wake-up call as to what a wolf is.
It's not that I don't love wolves.
I do love wolves.
And I went to that wolf connection, that rescue out in Palmdale.
I went to it really recently with Forrest Galante.
Did you see wolves?
Yeah, I hung out with them.
They're cool as fuck.
bryan callen
Pure wolves or hybrids?
joe rogan
Most of them are hybrids.
One of them was about as close to a pure wolf as you can get and you couldn't do a goddamn thing with them.
This guy said that one time he admonished him for a food fight and he was incorrect.
And the wolf hasn't spoken to him since.
unidentified
What?
joe rogan
Three years ago.
The wolf's like, fuck you.
He used to be able to pet him, put him on a leash, take him out.
Now the wolf won't let him anywhere near him.
bryan callen
Really?
joe rogan
He decided the guy was a cunt three years ago.
bryan callen
Male wolves will challenge you.
And you know, certain animals like camels.
Camels, if they like you, you're good.
If they don't like you...
They'll piss on you, they'll spit on you, and they will grab you and bite you and throw you.
joe rogan
They pick you up by your neck with their teeth.
I've seen that.
bryan callen
Don't fuck around with a camel.
joe rogan
Bro, I saw a guy trying to kill a camel.
He was trying to...
There's like a certain way they kill camels for some religious food.
bryan callen
You can eat them.
joe rogan
But a certain way they kill them, you know, with a knife.
They slice their throat.
bryan callen
Right.
joe rogan
And he was doing that, and this camel was not having it.
And he grabs him by the back of the neck and just fucking whips him through the air.
You realize how strong a camel is?
bryan callen
Oh, yeah.
joe rogan
It bites your neck.
You're a 150-pound man.
You're going flying.
bryan callen
You're going flying, dude.
He'll chuck you.
He'll chuck you like you throw a house cat.
joe rogan
Bourdain ate camel.
He said it was really good.
So did I. Did you eat it?
bryan callen
Yeah.
joe rogan
What is it like?
bryan callen
Delicious.
joe rogan
What does it taste like?
bryan callen
It's like...
Goat, you know, I guess.
A lot of times in Saudi Arabia, you would eat a camel.
In huge feasts, you'd put a goat inside the camel.
unidentified
Wow.
joe rogan
Oh, here's one.
This guy's trying to slice.
Yeah, this is another one.
Okay, yeah, right there.
Look at that guy.
Boom, son.
That thing picked him up by his head.
He got his whole head in there.
Look at that.
bryan callen
Yikes.
joe rogan
That's his whole head.
Oh my god, that wasn't even just the neck.
That thing grabbed his whole head.
bryan callen
He's gotta be fucked up.
joe rogan
Bro, he might be paralyzed.
bryan callen
Yeah.
Now he's moving, thank god.
joe rogan
Look at that.
God damn it just grabbed his whole head.
It picked him up by his head.
bryan callen
Yeah, no.
joe rogan
Dude, that could easily break your neck.
bryan callen
Fuck yeah.
joe rogan
Especially if it didn't let go.
What if it shook him?
Yeah, that'd be a bad situation.
bryan callen
You know what I'm saying?
joe rogan
Or you would just held onto the head and shook him a bunch of times?
bryan callen
That thing is mean.
joe rogan
Fuck, dude.
bryan callen
Yeah, don't fuck with camels.
joe rogan
Yeah.
So it's like a goat.
It's a lot of meat.
bryan callen
It's a lot of meat.
joe rogan
How many people ate that camel?
bryan callen
I don't remember.
I was a kid, by the way.
I was 14, 13 when I ate it.
So I'm saying goat, but I don't remember.
joe rogan
They eat with their hands, right?
Eat with your right hand?
bryan callen
Yes.
You do everything with your right hand.
joe rogan
And you wash your ass with your left hand.
bryan callen
You do your dirty things with your left hand.
joe rogan
You never give anybody your left hand a shake.
bryan callen
So when you're caught stealing, traditionally, they would cut off your...
Right hand.
joe rogan
Oh my God.
bryan callen
So you have to be the last one to wait.
In the goat crab, you'd be the last one to eat.
joe rogan
Oh my God.
bryan callen
So you'd have what was left over.
joe rogan
Oh my God.
bryan callen
Yeah.
joe rogan
What do you do then?
Just kill the guy?
Like, why do you want to live like this?
bryan callen
No, you live with one hand.
It's fine.
Figure it out.
You know.
joe rogan
I don't think we got to the bottom of anything, Brian Callan, but it feels good to complain.
bryan callen
I agree, buddy.
I love being here.
What else?
I think that's good.
joe rogan
I think we're three hours in.
bryan callen
We're three hours in.
God, that goes quickly.
Fuck, I can't believe that.
joe rogan
Yeah, we are.
Jesus.
I'm joking around, obviously, about the kings.
I have a king of everything.
I'm joking around about it, obviously.
But it is kind of ridiculous that we ever think that one person could be the president and run this whole country.
It's so stupid.
It's so stupid and it's so tired.
And when something happens where it's really clear that this wasn't thought out correctly, like this, and that we didn't know what was coming, like this, that we didn't ever think, because it's never happened before.
If something's never happened before, we always think it's not going to happen, whether it's a super volcano or an asteroid impact or this.
bryan callen
Well, that's the thing.
That's the thing.
joe rogan
That's what it's got me thinking.
It hasn't happened throughout my life.
unidentified
I'm not prepped.
bryan callen
I'm not prepped enough, and I need to get prepped for real.
joe rogan
We all should be.
We keep talking about going somewhere, and I'm not bullshitting about that.
bryan callen
How about a place we can drive to in a short time, though?
joe rogan
You could drive to Utah in 10 hours.
bryan callen
Really?
joe rogan
Yeah.
Yeah, that's not a bad one.
Or Vegas.
You just camp out in Vegas.
bryan callen
I like the idea of somewhere up in the hills in California.
joe rogan
Where?
Where are you going to go?
bryan callen
Enough where I can get a well and lots of guns.
joe rogan
Maybe you can go to Big Bear.
bryan callen
Interesting.
joe rogan
Maybe go to Big Bear.
bryan callen
Then they would shut those roads off.
That's what I worry about.
joe rogan
That's right.
And you're fucked.
You've got to be up there stuck.
bryan callen
Still stuck.
We're still relying on the highway system.
joe rogan
Well, they shut those roads off sometimes unless when it snows out, you have to have chains.
Like, you have to have chains if you're driving up there.
bryan callen
Yeah, it's a problem.
joe rogan
Yeah, whenever you see those roads to Big Bear that say you must put chains on your tires.
bryan callen
Bill Burr can drive a helicopter.
He can fly a helicopter.
unidentified
That's right.
bryan callen
So Bill will be our go-to guy.
joe rogan
He can.
bryan callen
We need a boat to get out in the sea.
joe rogan
But we're assuming we'll have good visibility.
The problem with the helicopter thing is if it's fires, if there's fires, you ain't seeing shit.
bryan callen
If it's fires, we'll figure it out.
If it's a pandemic again.
joe rogan
Oh, who's to you?
We need the fucking fire president.
That's what we need.
bryan callen
Well, but get the fire president.
joe rogan
You can't say we'll figure it out.
We need a rock-solid game plan.
bryan callen
We call a fire president who hates fire.
We have to have a guy who hates fire.
joe rogan
He hates it.
bryan callen
Fucking hates fire.
joe rogan
Who eats raw food.
unidentified
Who eats raw food.
joe rogan
Do you know that's a thing?
bryan callen
I know a lawyer who defends a kid who starts fires, dresses up like a fireman, and diverts traffic, and they catch him all the time, and he has to go and be like, The kid's obviously crazy.
He's a sociopath.
He gets off on creating these issues.
But he loves being a fireman, so he'll start fires.
He's done this 11 times since he was a little kid.
And now he's an adult.
I think he's in jail now.
He dresses up like a fireman and he likes to divert traffic and tell people where to go and give them advice.
joe rogan
Now imagine you have to fix that guy.
Imagine he's homeless, you gotta fix him.
bryan callen
You gotta go to jail.
joe rogan
You got a homeless guy who lights houses on fire and pretends it's a fireman.
He's so far gone.
bryan callen
You gotta go to jail.
joe rogan
What do you do?
But you keep him in there forever?
Let him out one day, they're gonna be more fucked up than they were before you put him in.
bryan callen
You make the jail for crazy people much more pleasant.
Make him pleasant.
joe rogan
Just keep him there.
Keep him in the pleasant jail?
unidentified
Yeah.
bryan callen
Keep him pleasant though.
joe rogan
Forever.
bryan callen
I don't know.
Until I find a way to get him...
Until he can exhibit that he is fit to go back to society.
joe rogan
Did you ever see One Flew Over the Cuckoo's Nest?
bryan callen
Yes.
joe rogan
How come they don't have places like that anymore?
bryan callen
One of the greatest movies of all time.
joe rogan
Do they have places like that anymore?
You come in, you come out.
How many of them do they have?
Do they have enough?
bryan callen
I don't know.
joe rogan
Seems like we should have more.
bryan callen
We have mental, we have hospitals for the criminally insane, hospitals for, you know.
joe rogan
Right, but do we have enough?
Because I think it's almost like the same amount of hospitals that we have regular.
bryan callen
Peter earlier wrote a book called Crazy.
His son suffers from mental illness.
And what we do with most of our mentally ill is we put them in jail.
And I've been to those aquariums that they keep people in.
It's bad.
joe rogan
That's where it's fucked up, too.
It's like, you're also, because you're crazy, you're also committing crimes.
And you maybe could have been treated for whatever the mental illness was, particularly if it's a chemical imbalance, right?
unidentified
Yeah.
joe rogan
And then you would have never done those crimes, and then you would have never been in jail.
Yeah.
But I mean, who's responsible for it?
Ultimately, we want adults to be responsible for themselves.
bryan callen
Yeah, well, this guy said, Joe Newman again, who wrote Raising Lions, I recommend it highly.
He said, I'm training parents a lot of times.
You used to think I was training the kids.
A lot of times I'm training the parents and the educators on how to...
He's enjoying the frustration and the social status he gets.
He creates frustration in the adult and gets social status from doing this.
I can make it very boring for him.
I'll make it very boring for him.
Without interest, just go, hey, time to take a break.
You've got to stand over there.
I know it sucks.
But you can throw a tantrum, but the time starts for when you're done with the tantrum.
Little things like that.
Huge results.
Just take the profit out of that kind of thing.
joe rogan
You're saying this genius tells you to put them in timeout?
bryan callen
Timeout, but it's a very specific way of doing it.
It's hilarious.
joe rogan
What's his solution?
Kids got to go to timeout.
Everybody.
bryan callen
Well, you get these kids who freak out.
They have to be put in isolation.
You argue with them.
No, no, no.
joe rogan
That's part of the president's problem.
unidentified
Yeah.
joe rogan
So you can't put him in timeout.
bryan callen
That's probably true.
joe rogan
If there was like, Nancy Pelosi had like a few timeouts per year, and she could just use it on Trump, and Trump would just have to stand in the corner and not talk?
bryan callen
Well, we'll take your phone away.
We'll take your phone away, no tweeting.
unidentified
No, no, no, no, no.
joe rogan
No, a fucking legit timeout.
Nancy Pelosi- You stand in the corner.
bryan callen
She's the kind of person that would put all of us in timeout.
She's a mom.
joe rogan
But- If she could do that.
bryan callen
Yeah.
joe rogan
Imagine how interesting that would be.
bryan callen
She'd go like this.
Donald, Donald, why don't we take a break?
Go over there.
joe rogan
Yeah.
bryan callen
You're going to go over to the boarding chair.
joe rogan
If there was things that a person could do where you had to put them in timeout, you and I would be in timeout a lot.
How often would you be in timeout per year?
bryan callen
As a kid?
joe rogan
Right now, as an adult.
If they had timeout still.
bryan callen
I need a lot of timeout.
joe rogan
No, but there's a thing.
At a certain point in time, you become the master of your own destiny.
Nobody can put you in a timeout anymore unless you're at work and you get brought in.
bryan callen
I need timeouts because I'll find ways to procrastinate and not do the things I'm supposed to do.
joe rogan
Can you imagine if you had a boss at the podcast and they sat you and Brendan down and were talking about your job performance?
bryan callen
I'd have a problem with it.
joe rogan
They do that with radio shows.
That's what radio shows are.
They're like basically a podcast but with a boss.
unidentified
I know.
bryan callen
I know.
joe rogan
You know Kevin and Bean?
You know those guys?
bryan callen
I love Kevin.
joe rogan
You know Kevin, they just fired them?
bryan callen
I didn't know they fired Kevin.
I thought Kevin kind of voluntarily...
joe rogan
No, no, no.
No, they fired him and then they fired everybody and then just told them they're done.
Go home.
And they had security guards lead them out of the building.
bryan callen
Even Kevin?
joe rogan
Yes, Kevin.
bryan callen
I didn't know Kevin got fired.
joe rogan
Yeah, Kevin got fired.
bryan callen
That's very recent.
joe rogan
Well, Bean left like a year ago.
bryan callen
I know.
joe rogan
And then Kevin stayed on.
bryan callen
Yeah.
joe rogan
And K-Rock, Jimmy Kimmel made a tweet about it.
Like, how dare you?
bryan callen
I just did, Kevin.
I mean, I loved you.
Yeah, I love Kevin.
joe rogan
Well, it's been Kevin's morning show for like...
Since, I think, January.
bryan callen
Kevin, who's the woman?
joe rogan
Marla?
Sorry, I forgot her name.
I'm such an asshole.
And Dave.
But they're both great.
They just fired everybody.
What?
Yeah.
bryan callen
That's crazy.
So there's no more Kevin?
joe rogan
No.
I think it probably happened, I mean, I don't know if it had anything to do with the corona, but it was like when it was kicking in.
unidentified
Jesus.
joe rogan
Like when everyone was starting to worry about COVID-19.
bryan callen
Damn.
joe rogan
Yeah.
bryan callen
I'm very, very worried about just what's going to happen to all these small businesses.
I don't know how much longer we can sustain this.
joe rogan
It's terrible.
That's terrible.
bryan callen
We need a plan.
Is there any good news on this?
How about this hydrochloroquine with azithromycin?
Does that actually help with...
Sorry, guys.
I'm a doctor.
Does that help with...
joe rogan
I read about that, and I read that there's some promise to that, and I read that there's that in a combination of some other medication.
So it's essentially this drug that they use to treat malaria.
It's an old-school drug to treat malaria.
bryan callen
It's hydrochloroquine.
joe rogan
And then they're doing something else with it.
bryan callen
Yeah, so it's hydroxychloroquine.
It used to be quinine.
Now it's different.
That didn't work for malaria anymore.
So there's that, and you combine that with azithromycin, like a Z-Pak.
I guess.
And so those two things apparently mitigate the effects of the virus from what I heard.
But then I heard no.
So I don't know.
joe rogan
Yeah, I mean, who the fuck knows?
There's also intravenous vitamin C apparently has an effect, a positive effect on people that are suffering from the illness.
But again, this is all anecdotal.
They don't have like a real strict protocol of how you handle this disease.
bryan callen
It's very easy to catch.
joe rogan
It's a new disease.
bryan callen
I haven't been as good as I should be.
I eat food that's prepared by people.
joe rogan
Yeah, you never know.
You never know.
They didn't know before the Carnival Cruise Line thing that it could stay on surfaces as long as 17 days.
bryan callen
Well, I heard nine hours.
It depends on if it's...
joe rogan
No, no, no, no.
This is the latest.
17 days?
The people that are examining the cruise ship are the people that are stuck on it.
Even people that are asymptomatic.
They still found traces of this shit 17 days later in their cabins.
bryan callen
Well, guess what?
I'm done.
joe rogan
How crazy is that?
Asymptomatic people, and you can find the stuff in their cabin, 17 days later it's still alive waiting for a host.
bryan callen
I don't think Chris Alia has left his house.
joe rogan
Is he a germaphobe?
bryan callen
I just...
He's just not left his house.
joe rogan
Well, he also has a new baby.
bryan callen
Yeah.
joe rogan
You know?
bryan callen
But, you know, you get something delivered from Amazon.
You don't know what happened.
joe rogan
Yeah.
bryan callen
He lives on surfaces.
joe rogan
Yeah.
Disinfect it.
Disinfect the world.
bryan callen
All right, buddy.
joe rogan
Let's wrap it up, Brian Callen.
Thank you, buddy, for having me.
Is Will Sasso trying to pussy out of the 10-minute podcast?
I heard he is.
bryan callen
We're going to do the 10...
For all you 10-minute podcast lovers, me, Chris Lee, and Will Sasso.
joe rogan
I heard Sasso is...
bryan callen
We're rebooting it.
joe rogan
...getting very sassy with you.
bryan callen
He gets sassy with me.
He just sends me pictures of bears eating like fish and deer.
He just sends me pictures.
joe rogan
What he's going to do to you.
bryan callen
Yeah, that's what it is.
joe rogan
See, that guy has the biggest calves I've ever seen in my life.
bryan callen
He's the funniest fucking human being.
Have you ever had him on the podcast?
joe rogan
No, I'd love to have him on.
Oh, fuck, he's a genius.
I love him.
He's hilarious.
bryan callen
Oh my God, he's coming out.
joe rogan
He's fun to hang out with, too.
Remember when we all hung out together?
bryan callen
He's the best.
Will Sasso, to me, funniest human being, maybe of all time, and coming out in a movie called Boss Level.
joe rogan
Each one of his calves are two of Arnold Schwarzenegger's shoulders.
bryan callen
Oh, dude, he's so big and strong.
joe rogan
But it's his calves!
unidentified
Oh, yeah.
joe rogan
They're that big!
unidentified
They're so big!
bryan callen
Yeah, they're bullharts.
They're bullharts.
I call them bullharts.
joe rogan
They're so big.
bryan callen
He's got two bullharts in his fucking lower legs.
joe rogan
I remember you telling me that, and then me seeing them, like, what is going on?
bryan callen
Well, there's a picture on the internet of my head next to his calf, and my head is, my calf and head, we're the same size.
My head is the same size as his calf, and I'm not kidding.
joe rogan
It's the weirdest shit I've ever seen.
Congratulations on your operator status.
bryan callen
Thanks, buddy.
You saw the way I squeezed off those rounds.
joe rogan
I did.
bryan callen
Guys, we want to laugh right now.
Complicated apes on Amazon, huh?
unidentified
It is.
joe rogan
Look at his calves.
That is so crazy.
Look at the size of his fucking calf.
Dude, that is so ridiculous.
bryan callen
He was a power lifter.
I think he had some record.
joe rogan
Dude, those things are ridiculous.
Look at that one up there.
Who's that?
Was that another guy?
bryan callen
That's him.
No, that's Sasso.
joe rogan
Is that Sasso?
bryan callen
Yes!
joe rogan
Jesus Christ!
bryan callen
Those are bull hearts.
joe rogan
Bro, those are so big.
bryan callen
Look where they're considered on the bone.
unidentified
Wow.
joe rogan
That's real?
Yes.
Goddamn.
That looks like Arnold in his prime, right?
What does those look like?
When he would pose?
bryan callen
You ever seen him?
Where is that?
Let me see his Instagram for a sec.
joe rogan
You've got a lot of pictures with your face next to his calf.
That's very odd.
You're wearing different shirts.
bryan callen
Bring his Instagram up.
I want to see something.
joe rogan
It cracks me up.
Why is he dressing like a woman?
Why does he have a video with Arnold Schwarzenegger?
Is he mocking him?
bryan callen
I don't know.
joe rogan
Brian, this is an audio podcast as well.
bryan callen
Oh, sorry.
joe rogan
We just go down, scroll.
bryan callen
Never mind.
Forget it.
He's just got so many funny fucking things.
joe rogan
Is it just Will Sasso?
bryan callen
Yeah.
joe rogan
What is his...
unidentified
Yeah, Will Sasso.
bryan callen
He's the fucking best.
He's on a boat.
He's just standing on a boat and he just goes, I'm fucking seaworthy as fuck!
joe rogan
He's a silly boy.
Oh, he's fucking hilarious.
unidentified
So are you.
joe rogan
All right, love you, buddy.
It was fun hanging out with you all day today.
We had a great time.
We had to do this more often.
bryan callen
I can't wait.
joe rogan
That's one thing that I'm getting out of this more.
I'm really appreciating friends.
Fuck yes.
When the shit gets weird, that's what you really need.
You really need friends.
bryan callen
You're damn right.
joe rogan
All right, love you people.
Bye, everybody.
See ya.
bryan callen
That was fucking great.
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