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March 6, 2020 - The Joe Rogan Experience
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Joe Rogan Experience #1438 - Andrew Santino
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joe rogan
*Sings* You know who else carves guns like that?
andrew santino
Who does?
joe rogan
Jesse James.
Remember Jesse James, that chopper maker dude?
Yeah, that dude makes guns now in Texas.
andrew santino
That's all he does?
He's still making bikes.
joe rogan
I think he makes bikes too, but he makes a lot of guns, like dope guns, like engraved and crossed.
andrew santino
And hand carves them?
joe rogan
Yeah.
Fancy, fancy guns.
andrew santino
Yeah, the dude that we were talking about, I think he's an L.A. guy, but he hand-does them.
joe rogan
He's a Mexican gentleman, you're saying?
andrew santino
Mexican dude, a Mexican man.
joe rogan
Carves into the guns?
andrew santino
Yeah, and he does beautiful artwork, all hand-designed, and then people pay him to do his design.
They don't say, like, here's what I want.
The whole deal is, you give him the gun, and he just does it.
It's not like, I want this on here.
He's like, no, no, no.
You give me the piece, I do the art, I give it back.
joe rogan
You know what's interesting about Bernie Sanders?
What is this?
Is this the guy with the guns?
unidentified
That's it, yeah.
joe rogan
Let me see what this looks like.
I was going to say what's interesting about Bernie Sanders is his real close relationship with Killer Mike.
Killer Mike is a big pro-Second Amendment man.
I mean, he believes in guns.
He believes you should be able to protect yourself and protect your family.
andrew santino
And what?
And Bernie's so against it?
joe rogan
Well, I don't know if Bernie's so against it because he talks to Killer Mike and they don't scream and yell at each other.
Kill a mic.
In Vermont?
We don't need guns.
andrew santino
I don't think we need guns in the Northeast.
joe rogan
How did he do yesterday?
He won Vermont, California, Colorado, Utah, and is that it?
And then Biden.
andrew santino
Biden's still in the lead, right?
joe rogan
Is Biden number one now?
jamie vernon
I think he's ahead 435 to 381 as of right now.
joe rogan
That's pretty good.
andrew santino
Elizabeth, let me tell you something.
joe rogan
I worry about both of them because they're older gentlemen, but I worry about Biden more.
He looks like he's It's almost like his skin is thin.
andrew santino
Well, I think his brain seems to be skipping.
Do you know what I mean?
joe rogan
It's almost like an old scratch DVD. Well, you gotta realize, he's fucking tired.
Dude, forget about just being old.
Doing the pace that he's doing is fucking crazy.
He's got to get on that Trump speed.
That Trump speed.
andrew santino
Whatever the fuck is that?
joe rogan
That Sudafed from Germany.
Whatever the fuck it is.
andrew santino
I'm on poppers again.
joe rogan
He's got the best shit, and he's already ranking on them.
It's already hilarious.
You see what he did for Mike Bloomberg?
He hit under the podium.
He pretended he was Mike Bloomberg.
andrew santino
Tiny Mike, yeah.
joe rogan
He's like, that guy's not going to be able to see over the podium.
He goes behind the podium, and then he's calling him Sleepy Joe.
He's doing stand-up.
andrew santino
I say it on stage, he fucking rips.
Did you see the clip from the other day where he's like, is this guy Mexican?
He says he's Mexican.
You really Mexican?
He's Mexican.
He goes, he's Mexican like I'm Native American.
I'm Elizabeth Warren.
Dude, he was ripping.
And they were losing it.
He rips.
joe rogan
Dude, he's funny.
andrew santino
He's funny.
joe rogan
He says funny shit.
We were talking about this yesterday.
He's got a lifetime experience of being in front of the camera.
He knows how to do it.
andrew santino
He's a showman.
joe rogan
Well, it's like everything else, like podcasts or stand-up or I would imagine any kind of public speaking.
The more you do it, the better you get at it.
The more you realize your mistakes, the more you tighten up your game, the more practice you get.
And he gets a lot of practice.
I mean, he's doing public speaking all the time.
And when he gets to do something where they're all on his side, it's probably fun.
Like those things he does when they're all on his side, those are good times.
andrew santino
That's like you ripping an arena.
That's basically what it is.
They're all there to see you.
Yeah, yeah.
He's not playing a club, he's playing a fucking sold-out arena that are like, bring out Trump!
If he brought other guys to do 10 in front of him, you know, to hype him up and shit, bring Jared and- I'll tell you what, once he's out of the White House, he's gonna be more popular than ever.
joe rogan
100. He's going to be a hero.
Because let me tell you something, people forget this, but they didn't like Ronald Reagan when he was in office.
andrew santino
George Bush.
joe rogan
Well, but Reagan is a big one, though, because Reagan became like this hero afterwards, but during the whole Iran-Contra thing, when he was going on television, say he doesn't remember, do you know what Jimmy Tingle is?
unidentified
Uh-uh.
joe rogan
Great stand-up comic from Boston, but he had a joke, I remember, I was an open-miker, this was back in the 80s, when Reagan was brought in front of whoever, was it Congress that he was talking about selling guns to Iran?
When he did it, he would say, I don't remember.
That's what Reagan was saying.
And he might not, because he really did have Alzheimer's, remember?
So Jimmy Tingle goes, Mr. President, here's a little tip.
If you ever sell guns to someone who hates us, jot it down.
andrew santino
Write it down.
joe rogan
Make a little note.
Put it on the refrigerator.
andrew santino
Yeah, and he got love.
joe rogan
It's such a simple joke.
jamie vernon
I got a clip of it.
joe rogan
Yeah, let's hear it.
Let me hear it.
unidentified
I have no recollection of doing so.
Okay.
But that could be my memory.
I don't remember.
Well, as you sit here now, do you have any recollection of approving for John Poindexter to send these specific letters to Congress?
Well, again, it's a case of memory.
I don't recall whether he did or not.
And my question to you is, would you have approved the sending of these letters to Congress by John Poindexter if you knew that they adopted false information that had been previously supplied?
joe rogan
That's crazy.
andrew santino
That's a problem too, there's so much rhetoric involved, I don't even know what that question was.
They pile on all these things and then you go, I don't know, I have no idea what you're saying, what are you asking me?
joe rogan
Right, there's so much legalese.
andrew santino
Right, at some point he does seem trapped in too many questions.
It's kind of like, I watched that clip of Betsy DeVos, And that Wisconsin senator going at it about how she doesn't know the numbers for charter schools.
I don't know if you've seen this, but she's unaware of the numbers presented of how many charter schools fail.
But he's throwing so many statistics at her.
How could you even keep up?
I mean, she does sound like a bumbling dumbo, but you just bury someone with stats.
They're going to go...
I don't...
joe rogan
Right.
andrew santino
How do I... Where am I... I don't even know which one you want me to address, and I don't have any information in front of me to fight it.
So when they do that sometimes to politicians, I'm always like, of course they're going to drown.
How could he fight out of that?
joe rogan
Yeah, clearly that's like a combat strategy.
andrew santino
Unless you're Trump, and then you just...
He diverts.
He's so good at...
He'll take in all that stuff, and then he'll go...
joe rogan
Well, he's never been in this kind of a situation where he had to answer questions in a court.
andrew santino
Not yet.
joe rogan
That would be interesting if he did.
andrew santino
Fuck yeah.
joe rogan
I think he'd probably get in trouble, because a lot of his stuff is like...
Shutting things down and he could get out of order.
But my point is, we both know.
Even if someone's good at that, if they do that and they hit you with a bunch of stats and fucks you up so hard you can't answer their original question and you're supposed to be grilling them.
We know what you're doing.
You're not communicating in a way that you are actually trying to communicate with the person.
You're playing verbal warfare.
You're fighting.
You're trying to back them up on their heels and smother their reach and get them in a corner and pound on them.
That's what you're doing.
You're overwhelming them with a barrage of information, just like you would overwhelm someone with a barrage of punches.
It's the same thing.
andrew santino
When you see their weakness, you're like...
joe rogan
It's not even a hidden thing because you're not supposed to be doing that.
You're supposed to be having an exchange.
You're supposed to be talking to each other.
You're supposed to be someone getting to the bottom of it.
But we know that he doesn't want to tell the truth.
He doesn't want to go, yes, I did sell guns to Iran.
andrew santino
I sold guns.
joe rogan
And I sold cocaine in the inner cities of Los Angeles because I was trying to...
andrew santino
Crack, crack, crack.
joe rogan
Yeah, crack.
andrew santino
I induced crack into the streets.
joe rogan
I mean, all that stuff really did happen.
andrew santino
Yeah.
joe rogan
That's not a conspiracy theory anymore.
unidentified
No.
joe rogan
The CIA, or whoever was working for the CIA, sold drugs in the inner cities, was brought in through Freeway Ricky, who's the original Rick Ross.
andrew santino
The real Rick Ross.
joe rogan
The real Rick Ross.
Didn't even know what he was doing while he was doing it.
And then after it was over, these guys didn't figure it out until long past that they were working with the government.
Rick Ross had no idea.
He had no idea.
He just thought he was awesome at selling coke.
He didn't know he was completely protected.
andrew santino
Yeah, but that's kind of...
Did you watch The Pharmacist?
joe rogan
I shouldn't say completely protected, but I should say that he was in bed with the government.
andrew santino
Right.
Did you watch them, The Pharmacist?
unidentified
No.
joe rogan
What is that?
andrew santino
That's all about the distribution of OxyContin, specifically what it's done to the East Coast.
This kind of started in New Orleans.
The documentary is all about it, but up there, how it got really bad.
This pharmacist basically...
His son, I don't want to give it away, but his son tragically died, and he started to investigate why all this stuff is kind of happening in New Orleans.
And the epicenter was this Purdue Pharma that made OxyContin, the biggest distributor of OxyContin in the United States.
And the whole documentary kind of shows you how it was just – they weren't orchestrating this thing to try to solve people's pain.
All the documents and emails are just like, these are big hitter areas.
Meaning like, sell, sell, sell.
So all these sales reps were going out pushing, you know, like they're fucking, like they're trying to sell cars.
I mean, they were selling them like candy.
It was crazy.
I mean, the government was totally okay with it.
I mean, the FDA didn't have anything against it for a long time.
They were like, oh, they're solving pain.
So much money.
joe rogan
The money involved is staggering.
It's hard for us to even understand how much money is coming in from pills, just from pills.
And here's the thing about prescribing them.
This is, let's be honest, everyone's in pain.
andrew santino
Yeah.
joe rogan
It's part of being a person.
Yeah.
Especially if you're an older person that's maybe got a difficult job, like you have to carry things and move things around that are heavy, you're in fucking pain.
You got back problems.
Everybody has back problems.
So you go to these people with back problems, they're like, I got a fucking solution.
andrew santino
This is the fix.
joe rogan
This is the fucking fix.
It's soul poison.
Once you get hooked on soul poison.
andrew santino
Well, and then what happens is these doctors, this woman, Jacqueline Cleggett, that's who the documentary focuses on, she's running a pill mill, right?
So, like, she's writing 70, 80 prescriptions a day, and you get all these doctors on there that are like, that's impossible.
To see 70 people is not—you couldn't do it even if you were fucking— How could you see 70 people in a day?
It's impossible.
joe rogan
That bitch is flagrant.
andrew santino
So she was making unbelievable money.
joe rogan
Bro, stop it.
Let's break this down by the minute.
andrew santino
Yeah.
70 a day.
joe rogan
There's eight hours in a day.
andrew santino
Yeah.
joe rogan
She said 70 to 80. Let's get crazy and say it's 80. Right.
So there's eight hours in a day.
So she's seen 10 people in an hour?
andrew santino
In an hour.
Yeah, 10 people in an hour.
unidentified
Each hour.
joe rogan
Not counting lunch.
andrew santino
No coffee breaks.
There is no lunch.
No.
joe rogan
If you have to shit, hold it in.
We're here to make money, baby.
andrew santino
No bathroom breaks.
Let's go!
Well, she was operating at night.
That was the whole thing.
And this whole investigation was about she would have a New Orleans cop in her lobby to make sure that nobody was trying to bust her.
joe rogan
Strong armor.
andrew santino
Yeah, she paid off the cops.
It was crazy.
And they got no trouble.
joe rogan
You pay security detail money for cops.
andrew santino
Yeah, yeah.
joe rogan
Yeah, the cops are happy.
We're all working together.
andrew santino
Yeah, and the cops are like, what do you mean?
I'm just protecting the front.
joe rogan
And the cops mind, hey, he's not breaking the law.
andrew santino
No, he's not.
He knows what's going on in the back because he's probably getting chipped off a few.
joe rogan
The law is very sketchy.
It was really sketchy back in the day.
Did you ever see, who did it?
Who made OxyContin Express?
What was the company behind that?
andrew santino
I don't know.
joe rogan
See if you can find that.
andrew santino
Is that a movie?
joe rogan
Oh, it was a made-for-television thing.
andrew santino
A PBS thing?
joe rogan
That showed an investigative report.
I'll get you the people who were in it, too.
jamie vernon
Vanguard.
joe rogan
Vanguard did it, but who's the woman and the man behind it?
jamie vernon
Mariana Venzeller.
joe rogan
Put it up so I could see it, so I could say it, because they were on the podcast, they were really cool, way back in the day.
Yeah, Marianna Van Zeller, and wasn't her husband involved in this as well?
I think so.
Anyway, awesome documentary that detailed what was going on down there.
In Florida, they didn't have a database.
So, if you went to me, and I was a doctor, and you're like, my back hurts.
I'm like, you need drugs.
And I gave you OxyContin.
You're like, thanks, bro.
And then you go over to Jamie.
And you go to Dr. Jamie.
Hey, my back hurts.
He goes, you need OxyContin.
He goes, thanks, bro.
And he gives it to you, and then you just keep going.
And so they would go to 10, 20, 30 different doctors, and they have this thing called pain management centers.
You go to a pain management center, you see some soulless doctor sitting there just writing out scripts.
And the only thing they write scripts for is Oxycontins and painkillers, and then they go right next door to the pharmacy.
It's in the same thing.
One door is here, one door is here.
You go right next door and you get your drugs, like in the same building.
It's a one-stop shop for drugs.
andrew santino
And there's no computer system to check, so you just keep doing it.
joe rogan
And look, everybody who does drugs, does drugs for a reason, right?
Whether you do real heroin, whether you do coke, like you're doing drugs because, I mean, it might not be a reason that makes sense to you, but they want to do those drugs, right?
You can come up with reasons why you want to take painkillers.
andrew santino
Yeah.
joe rogan
Almost anyone.
andrew santino
Everything.
joe rogan
People are always in pain.
My shoulder hurts.
Well, this is my, don't, you know, take half one of these.
Half.
andrew santino
Yeah.
joe rogan
Got it.
andrew santino
I'll take half now and half right after it.
joe rogan
It's just crazy how many of them there are.
If you looked at the actual numbers of prescriptions that are written every year in this country, it's like, what are you talking about?
andrew santino
Have you ever taken anything?
joe rogan
No, not that stuff.
I did a morphine drip once, though, when I was in the hospital for my knee reconstruction in, like, 93. Dude, it was awesome.
I was laying there.
I was hitting that button.
Bang!
unidentified
Bang!
joe rogan
And I was on a continual motion machine.
I had a patella tendon graft, which means they'd cut a piece out of your bone of your kneecap and a piece of bone out of your shin and connect it to a strip of your patella tendon.
Then they open you up like a fish and they screw this in on one bone and screw that on another bone.
They reconstruct you a new ACL. It's awesome.
It works great today.
To this day, I throw kicks with it or run with it.
No problem.
andrew santino
And you were floating on it.
I'm on the clouds.
joe rogan
Oh my god.
So I'm on this machine that keeps your leg moving after so it doesn't stiffen up.
andrew santino
So the blood doesn't clot and stuff.
joe rogan
So this machine's moving like this.
And this fucking drip.
I'm hitting this drip hard.
Ba-bang.
Ba-ba-bang.
Ba-bang.
It's like a warm hug.
When I was lying there, I was like, I get it.
The only time I've experienced that very similar was when the old NyQuil was available.
The real codeine-filled NyQuil.
andrew santino
Yeah, when it fucked you up.
joe rogan
I'd be high the next morning.
I was so high.
I was lying in my bed.
I felt so good.
I felt so loved.
I felt so much better.
It's like before the drugs, I was miserable.
I had the flu.
I felt like shit.
But then as soon as I took that stuff, I was like, I feel loved.
I feel like I'm just like floating in softness.
unidentified
I'm like...
joe rogan
I get it.
I get why people need that.
andrew santino
I'm the opposite, man.
I fucking, I tore ligaments in my leg and I took, they gave me Vicodin and it had an adverse effect.
It was so bad.
I had to go back to the doctor and I was like, it's giving me crazy anxiety.
I couldn't sleep and I ate and I was eating a few of them to try to kill the pain.
The pain would get worse.
And the guy was like, maybe you, maybe Vicodin and you don't mix.
But it fucked and it made my, it made me angry.
I was going through these like really, like night tremor spells and shit.
I was like, this stuff is, I couldn't do, I never touched it again.
Some people love that stuff.
joe rogan
Vicodin?
unidentified
Fuck yeah.
joe rogan
I had a friend of mine, he used to take Vicodins and play guitar.
He said it made him really creative.
andrew santino
Really?
joe rogan
Really?
I think I took either Vicodin or Percocet, I can't remember, after that first knee surgery.
But I only took it once because it made me so stupid.
I remember it dulled the pain a little bit, but I was so dumb, man.
andrew santino
Well, yeah, you're foggy.
joe rogan
I was just half out of it.
andrew santino
Yeah, your brain is not full.
joe rogan
I'd rather be in pain.
Like, this is stupid.
I can't even enjoy a television show.
I don't know what the fuck is going on.
I'm laying in my apartment.
I can't even watch TV because I'm so stupid.
andrew santino
Yeah, I hate that shit.
That's the thing that I like.
And I think I have a high tolerance for medication.
And there's a weird...
Hey, hey, Joe, Joe, a functioning alcoholic.
You can look it up, though.
There's a thing about redheads.
Redheads have a gene where they have high pain tolerances and high tolerances to certain medicines.
And so every time I've ever taken stuff, nothing really works for me the way that it's supposed to.
You know what I mean?
People say all the time, like, oh, what do you just pop a couple of Advil?
Advil has never done anything for me my whole life.
If I could take three or four, it doesn't fucking mean.
You know when they give you those...
If you go to a doctor, if you've got some kind of thing, like a headache or whatever, and they give you those super Advils that triple the dose or whatever, I take those things and they're nothing.
So I end up throwing them away.
joe rogan
Why is it okay to discriminate against redheads?
It's one of the last fun things to discriminate against people that still actually hurts their feelings.
andrew santino
Because we're still white.
We still are white.
joe rogan
Deal with it.
andrew santino
They're like, he still has advantages.
joe rogan
Deal with it.
andrew santino
Yeah.
It's actually when I see a red-headed black guy, I'm like, oh, man, double down.
unidentified
Jesus Christ.
joe rogan
I have seen red-headed people that are really good at taking punishment.
And I've always wondered.
I've read things about redheads having a higher tolerance for pain, too.
andrew santino
Yeah, they do.
That article he brought up, they showed about it.
It's something in...
I'm going to misquote it.
joe rogan
The MC1R gene belongs to a family of receptors that include pain receptors in the brain.
As a result, a mutation in the gene appears to influence the body's sensitivity to pain.
That makes sense.
There's so many Irish dudes who can take an insane beating.
andrew santino
Mm-hmm.
joe rogan
You know what I mean?
Mm-hmm.
And on top of that, just the toughness of the Irish people.
andrew santino
Oh, they're fucking their background just...
joe rogan
A redhead from Ireland with that MC1R gene.
Jesus Christ, you'd have to kill him.
andrew santino
MC1R sounds like a Mortal Kombat character.
joe rogan
MC1R! It does.
It sounds like a biker.
Like some sort of fucking ninja bike.
The mutation in the MC1R gene also occurs in brunettes, although it's less common.
In the latest study, the researchers tested for the MC1R gene variant, finding that in 65 of 67 redheads, holy shit, and in 20 of 77 people with brown or black hair.
That's interesting.
So it's like, what is that, like 30-something percent of people that are brown hair, but almost...
What is that, like 97%, 98%?
andrew santino
Almost 98%, 97%.
joe rogan
That's crazy.
So all redheads can take a beating.
andrew santino
Mentally and physically.
Oh, you can take a beating mentally too.
joe rogan
But that's to prepare you for life as a redhead.
andrew santino
Yeah, that's exactly.
God was like, this guy's going to get shitted on.
We better make it.
joe rogan
Bro, you have a mental turtle shell.
andrew santino
I do.
Yeah, I have a mental shell.
You just have to look.
I think every redhead I know...
has an attitude because of how you're treated as a kid.
joe rogan
Yeah.
andrew santino
But I've talked about this before.
People think that it's not a thing.
It's a thing.
If there's a room full of people, right, and a bunch of PC mongers or social justice warriors are in the room, everyone would be like, you can't say anything about him, can't say anything about her, about her.
If they got to a redhead, they'd be like, it's fine.
joe rogan
Yeah.
andrew santino
They can.
unidentified
They're white.
andrew santino
That's not that big of a deal.
unidentified
They're white.
andrew santino
They're still full white.
joe rogan
Like, imagine making fun of a handsome white man with blonde hair, would you?
andrew santino
Hitler's dream.
Yeah, probably Hitler's dream.
joe rogan
Hitler's dream.
andrew santino
Yeah, Hitler's come shot.
joe rogan
You can make fun of him that way.
andrew santino
But otherwise...
joe rogan
This Nazi motherfucker.
Like, you could easily...
And no one would feel bad.
Because it's perceived that they have all the advantages.
andrew santino
Yeah, even though...
What if they're, you know...
They're homeless and they're...
joe rogan
How about they're dumb?
That's the biggest disadvantage a person ever has.
Your brain doesn't work.
How many really handsome dummies do you know?
andrew santino
I mean, most.
joe rogan
Bro, I know a couple guys that are dream boats, but they're dumb as a rock.
They're so handsome.
They have just beautiful faces and perfect cheeks and they just look great.
andrew santino
He's not talking about you, Jamie.
Jamie raised his hand.
joe rogan
If I was a girl, I'd be so excited to meet those guys.
But part of me says, those poor bastards are at a disadvantage.
Because everything's so easy, right?
They're big, giant, handsome people.
Like, if you see a six-foot-tall, perfect man, do you know what kind of pussy David Hasselhoff must have been getting in the 80s?
andrew santino
Insane.
Are you kidding me?
Insane.
joe rogan
Can you imagine the girls were catapulting themselves in his direction?
Yeah.
It didn't matter if he was smart or not.
He was beautiful.
And he was really tall and classically handsome.
That's a giant advantage.
And if you have that giant advantage and you don't have to work hard to meet women, look at him.
Jesus Christ, what a dreamboat.
Are you fucking kidding me?
Look at that face.
andrew santino
He's beautiful.
Where's the naked one where he's on the rug?
That's the funny one, right?
joe rogan
He's a really nice guy, too.
He did an episode of Fear Factor.
unidentified
Did he?
joe rogan
Yeah, yeah.
He did Celebrity Fear Factor.
andrew santino
This is what's great about back then, though.
You didn't have to have a great body.
joe rogan
At all.
andrew santino
Nobody had a six-pack.
No one had pecs unless you were a bodybuilder.
joe rogan
Yeah, look at him.
He looks like a guy who's maybe worked out three times.
andrew santino
Yeah, right.
He kind of knows where the gyms are.
joe rogan
Yeah.
andrew santino
Like when someone in a hotel goes, we have a gym, and he's like, I'll check it out, you know?
joe rogan
Hey, it looks good.
I love this Nautilus equipment.
Yeah, he was, uh, but my point being, like, that guy...
andrew santino
Look at that.
Look at that.
No muscle struggle.
Look at his fucking arms.
There's no muscle structure, dude.
That's crazy.
joe rogan
He didn't do much working out.
andrew santino
But you don't need to back then.
You could be like a Hollywood dude who didn't ever.
It's kind of like Leonardo DiCaprio might be the only guy who's that famous and good looking today that has a bad body.
His body is shit.
That dude has a shit body.
For a famous guy, dude, he has a dog shit body.
All the guys in his level are Brad Pitt, Ryan Reynolds.
All these dudes are jacked to shit.
Jacked.
Jack.
And you see Leonardo DiCaprio and you're like, this schlubby, Play-Doh-looking fucking body.
joe rogan
Dude, he's so good, though.
andrew santino
I know he's the pumpkin.
He gets everything.
He does whatever he wants.
joe rogan
But he's such a good actor.
andrew santino
He's so good.
He's one of my favorite of all time because he made movies back then that I loved and now that I like.
joe rogan
You can forget how good he is because he's so handsome.
You can forget.
But then you see a movie like, did you see?
Look at his body.
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Perfect.
joe rogan
Perfect.
unidentified
That's Burt Kreischer if he lost 100 pounds.
It's perfect.
andrew santino
It's a dumpy, regular dude's body.
joe rogan
He's built perfect.
And look, he's not trying to hide it.
andrew santino
No, it's awesome.
joe rogan
He's seven months pregnant, and he doesn't give a fuck.
Just waddling around there on the beach with a cocaine baby inside his belly.
andrew santino
Leo in his second trimester.
joe rogan
He can do whatever the fuck he wants.
He's a fucking modern-day Jack Nicholson.
andrew santino
But that's why I appreciate this, dude.
joe rogan
Jack Nicholson, not the golfer.
The actor.
Damn, that would have sounded better if I got the name right.
He's a modern-day Jack Nicholson.
andrew santino
Yeah, he is.
joe rogan
Like, he's not trying with his fucking body.
He's just being an amazing actor.
Dude, in Django, when he played that evil dude.
andrew santino
Unreal.
joe rogan
Fucking A, man.
You buy it.
You believe it.
andrew santino
Yeah.
joe rogan
So intense.
andrew santino
That fight scene was one of my favorite fight scenes.
joe rogan
When he fucking hits these intense moments, like in The Revenant as well, it's another movie where he has these moments where like, fuck, you forget how good that guy is.
You forget how good he is.
andrew santino
Yeah, did you like Once Upon a Time or No?
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Loved it.
andrew santino
You did?
joe rogan
Loved it, except the Bruce Lee scene.
But that's, I'm a Bruce Lee fan.
I'm a dork.
andrew santino
Real disrespectful to Bruce Lee.
joe rogan
It didn't make sense.
Because...
Even though Bruce Lee was very confident, he deemed that he was arrogant.
That's what Quentin was saying.
I just don't think he was a Bruce Lee fan.
andrew santino
Has any athlete at that caliber not been arrogant?
Can you name me someone that good?
joe rogan
This is where things are swirly, right?
Because Bruce Lee wasn't like a professional athlete per se.
He was an actor, but he was also one of the most important martial arts pioneers ever.
Because he was like a true dyed-in-the-wool innovator.
And if you look at his skills, like when he did the Green Hornet and Game of Death and Chinese Connection, just his kicking and striking skills.
Off-the-charts technique.
Beautiful technique.
And for the time, very few people had technique like him.
In the later years, people's technique improved.
People had a chance to see more styles in video and see more of what's possible.
But if you go back and watch even legends like Jim Kelly and some of those other...
Joe Lewis, who was a heavyweight kickboxing champion, not the boxer.
You see those guys playing in movies.
Their technique was not as good as Bruce Lee's.
andrew santino
Why was his so sharp?
joe rogan
He just was a genius.
He's a genius martial artist.
He understood more about martial arts than anybody of his era because he understood that everyone was being imprisoned by ideology.
Like, if you were a judo guy, you had to stick with judo.
You couldn't learn Muay Thai.
If you learned Muay Thai, you'd be disrespectful to your master, disrespectful to your style.
And people get mad at you.
When I was training in Taekwondo and then I started kickboxing, my instructor did not like it.
They did not like it.
One of my instructors in particular did not like it.
Didn't think I needed to do it.
Thought I could get everything that I needed at there.
But I knew that wasn't true.
Because I was going to gyms and getting boxed up.
And I was like, okay, I'm getting my bell run.
I need to learn how to use my fucking hands better.
And I started going to boxing gyms.
You couldn't do that.
You weren't supposed to do that.
They were a little bit lenient with me because they knew I was a lawyer and I was an instructor.
I was trying to learn things.
But when you go to a kung fu school, if you thought you could go to a karate school, they would fucking beat you.
People would really kick your ass if they thought you were leaving to go train with a karate school.
It was real weird.
So back in the day, Bruce Lee was the only guy.
He was training in Wing Chun and quite a few other martial arts he studied, but then he started studying Western boxing, he started studying wrestling, he started studying judo, and he did some grappling training with Gene LaBelle, who was supposed to kind of represent the Brad Pitt character, but in a different way.
The Brad Pitt character is this ultimate badass stunt guy in that movie, and him and Bruce Lee get in a fight, and he kind of kicks Bruce Lee's ass.
andrew santino
He really fucks him up.
joe rogan
He really fucks him up.
andrew santino
Yeah, he kicks him into a fucking car, he folds the door.
joe rogan
The real story, when Bruce Lee met Judo Gene LaBelle, Judo Gene LaBelle was a stuntman, and he's a fucking gorilla.
He was a heavyweight or light heavyweight judo champion.
And I mean, a fucking bear of a man.
And he just picked Bruce Lee up, like he would pick up you or me, and walked around with him on his shoulder, just being cute with him.
And Bruce Lee was like, okay, teach me.
And Bruce Lee and him trained together.
And even in, I think it was Game of Death, in the opening scenes, he gets this guy, it's either in a crucifix or an armbar, I forget, but he gets this guy in a submission technique, which would be...
In the very first ever MMA gloves.
I don't know who invented those gloves, who designed them, but those gloves that Bruce Lee was wearing in, I think it was Game of Death.
Was it Game of Death or Enter the Dragon where he wore those gloves?
I think it was Game of Death.
Those gloves that he was wearing, they were just like UFC gloves.
Just like UFC gloves.
Just a little bit different.
A little more puffy than UFC gloves.
But anyway, he gets this dude down and gets him in a fucking arm lock.
And he taps him.
That's judo Gene LaBelle shit.
Like, LaBelle taught him how to do that stuff.
But what I was saying is like, it's not impossible that Bruce Lee would get beat up by someone like Gene LaBelle.
In fact, I would bet everything on it.
I would bet the fucking house.
If Bruce Lee had a fight with Gene LaBelle, Gene LaBelle would grab him and just like he would do you or just like you do me, he would choke him unconscious.
That's just facts.
This is just facts.
That's not the problem.
If they had that in the movie, that wouldn't be a problem.
The problem is they had Bruce Lee act like an asshole.
And there was no real evidence that he acted like that.
He was certainly confident, but it was also because he was a brilliant man.
And he knew he was brilliant.
He knew he was right.
He combined all these martial arts.
He was the first guy to combine things.
He was the first guy to take some of the kicks from Savat.
Which is like this French kickboxing style.
And he would combine them with movement of fencing.
He was really interested in fencing.
How they had these big entries.
andrew santino
Right.
joe rogan
And he realized that there's like a technique to these big entries with the sword that you could apply with a punch.
And so he was into fencing.
And he was into everything, man.
He was a genius.
andrew santino
So what was Quentin trying to say?
joe rogan
He made him out to be a dickwad.
I don't think he knew him, and it was more fun for him to make him out to be that way.
Look, everybody in the movie was someone who they weren't, right?
All the Manson family winds up, spoiler alert, they turn the tables on them and they all get killed, and none of the innocent people die.
It's a fucking wild scene, the movie.
The thing is they made a guy who's a beloved historical figure, they made him out to be a dickwad.
When he's making these movies, they're just wild ass movies.
He does whatever he wants.
That's why those movies are so great.
I would never tell him what to do.
But I'm just saying the only thing I didn't like was that this guy who is this Is there an equivalent in other sports like Bruce Lee?
It's hard to say because he wasn't really a competitor.
He had maybe like one karate match that was recorded.
I'm sure he had some gym fights.
Everybody who got involved in martial arts had some kind of gym fights where they were real fights.
andrew santino
Is there someone who transcended their sport a little bit?
joe rogan
Other than, like, think of any other sport of that era, or it's more than a sport, right?
Fighting is, like, a little bit more personal.
What one person transcended the whole art like Bruce Lee did?
andrew santino
Yeah, it's hard.
I mean, the only guy that, like, comes to mind that dynamically is such a remarkable athlete, like Bo Jackson, is maybe the most impressive...
Quiet, humble athlete that my generation's ever seen.
Bo Jackson was not only a pro baseball player but a pro football player and was fucking insane at both.
And when he was done, because of injury unfortunately, he relegated himself to still becoming this very centered athlete.
There's a video of him shooting bow and arrow with his toes and ripping bullseyes.
I mean, he's an incredible dynamic athlete who's very quiet and humble and was always kind of the guy who never boasted the way that his image was put up, right?
Like, his image was put up to a degree that was, like, one of the greatest of all—like, Bo knows.
He was a campaign.
He became a superstar.
joe rogan
But his image was based on his accomplishments, not based on him talking.
andrew santino
That's what I'm saying.
Bo was never a guy that was very, like, in-your-face and loud and boisterous, you know, like— A guy today would be like, you know, like Ochocinco, you know, like Chad Johnson.
All those guys, they're big, flashy, they're talkers.
I'm the shit.
Deion Sanders is a better example of a guy who was a football player and a baseball player.
Neon Deion, bro.
Showtime, all he did was talk about how good he was.
Bo wasn't that way, but in my opinion, was the most dynamic athlete I ever saw as a kid.
He was fucked.
He used to break baseball bats over his knee when he got mad if he struck out.
Yeah.
And it looked like me cracking a twig.
But if you try to find a video of him shooting that bow, it's the most impressive thing I've ever seen in my fucking life.
He whittles them and makes all of it himself at his house.
He lives up in the woods somewhere.
I swear to God, dude.
joe rogan
He was on my friend Steve Rinell's podcast.
andrew santino
He's incredible.
joe rogan
It's a really interesting episode.
andrew santino
Yeah.
joe rogan
So, yeah, he's got a bow-making shop.
He got really into bow hunting, but now he can't draw a bow back anymore.
His shoulders are so fucked up from football that he has to use a crossbow now.
andrew santino
I mean, he's one of those guys that was—I guess the only way I can compare him is just his humility was overwhelming.
He never really was a loud, boisterous guy when he—both when he played and after his career.
So that was the only thing that I think would parallel Bruce Lee because everything I know about Bruce Lee is like— But this is my difference.
joe rogan
He was a super accomplished athlete.
Bruce Lee was a movie guy.
andrew santino
Yeah.
joe rogan
He was a movie star.
andrew santino
It's a different animal.
Yeah, I guess that's true.
But from your perspective saying he was a martial artist, right?
joe rogan
Yeah, for sure.
andrew santino
So then isn't that still true without the movie shit?
He was a phenomenal martial artist?
joe rogan
He was definitely a phenomenal martial artist.
andrew santino
Just didn't compete.
joe rogan
Didn't really compete.
andrew santino
Well, yeah.
I guess that's part of it.
But I mean, can you not compete and still be at the top of a thing?
I mean, is that possible?
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Yeah.
joe rogan
I don't know, man.
You know, that's the one thing that if I was going to make an argument against me as a commentator for the MMA, for MMA, I've never fought in MMA. Like, it's kind of hilarious that I'm a commentator for MMA. Even though I'm a fan of it and I know mostly what I'm talking about.
andrew santino
Imagine that's on the contract.
You must know most of what you're talking about.
joe rogan
That's what I know mostly what I'm talking about.
When it comes to wrestling, it's really interesting to work with guys like Dominic Cruz or work with Daniel Cormier.
Daniel Cormier in particular is one of the best wrestlers to ever compete in MMA. He's an active wrestling coach and Dominic does a lot of coaching too and a lot of MMA coaching too.
But both guys are so good at breaking down the technical aspects of it.
It makes you realize how little you really know about certain specialties.
andrew santino
But are they good at what you, the difference is, are they good at also articulating emotion and the public viewpoint?
That's the difference.
joe rogan
I can give expert analysis of ground fighting.
Of ground fighting, I can give expert.
You know, not to blow my horn, but I know what's going on.
Like, the way a lot of people know what's going on with boxing, I can tell you what's going on with chokes and when someone's in trouble, when someone's not.
And I can see it because I've been strangled a million times.
Right.
I can see where he's in trouble.
andrew santino
I know what that is.
joe rogan
I'm like, this guy's in trouble.
And some people can't see that.
But most MMA fighters at a certain point in time, they know most basic shit in terms of positions and when things are dangerous.
But when stuff gets exotic, like weird rubber guard transitions or strange chokes, like people invent new chokes all the time.
There's always something new that you haven't seen before.
Like, how the fuck did he do that?
And then you have to go back and watch it again.
andrew santino
But do people think, how many people think that you did fight I don't think anybody does.
You don't think so?
joe rogan
You know, I kickboxed, and I mean, if anybody looks at my record, I had three kickboxing fights, and I don't know how many Taekwondo fights.
A lot.
Probably a hundred.
andrew santino
What was your record?
joe rogan
I don't know.
I had two and one in kickboxing.
I lost my last kickboxing fight, but as far as Taekwondo, I have no idea.
I won the Massachusetts State Championship four years in a row, and I won, I think it was called the American Open, which is a big tournament that I won.
I came in second place in the US Cup.
That was a big thing that was in Connecticut, and I fought the national champion in the finals, and I thought I'd beat him.
That was when I was like 19, 20. That was when I was at my best.
When I was around 21 before I tried out for the nationals and I was going to try to make the Olympic team, That's when I was starting to box and kickbox and I was losing faith in Taekwondo.
I was realizing that I had a distorted perception of what I could do.
andrew santino
So you were way more engaged with boxing than you ever were with Taekwondo?
joe rogan
I was getting beat up.
andrew santino
Yeah.
joe rogan
That's what it was.
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Yeah.
joe rogan
I would go to these kickboxing gyms, and when I would just, when I kickbox guys, I could kick them so hard, they couldn't get close enough to box me a lot of the time.
So I'd kick them in the arms, I'd kick them, and they'd be like, what the fuck?
And then I could, even though my hands weren't as good as those, my legs were so much better.
unidentified
Right.
joe rogan
Because a lot of these guys couldn't kick at all.
So as long as we were starting at a distance, I could slam my legs into them, and they'd just be terrified.
unidentified
Right.
joe rogan
Like, so many guys would just be, they would just try not to get hurt.
andrew santino
Right.
joe rogan
Right.
And you can't kick.
That's a terrible feeling.
andrew santino
Yeah, a kick is so much scarier than taking them.
Because punches, I feel like getting into a fist fight, if someone fucking kicks you in a fist fight, I'm done.
I'm getting whooped.
joe rogan
It's so painful.
There's so much mass in the leg, and they're so heavy.
You don't realize how hard it is until you get hit.
Even just getting hit in the arm.
It fucking sucks so bad.
When someone slams their shin into your arm, you're like, motherfucker!
It sucks, dude.
But when I was boxing with dudes, I was getting lit up.
In particular, there was this one dude that I used to box with.
His name was Dangerous Dana Rosenblatt.
He wound up to become the Massachusetts or the New England middleweight champion.
Really good guy.
And I was sparring with him a lot.
In the beginning, he was beating my ass.
And I was like, damn, this kid wants to fight way more than I do.
Because I was already doing comedy at the time, and I was starting to realize, like, I've got to pick one or the other.
unidentified
Yeah.
joe rogan
And then as I was getting into kickboxing, because around 21 was when I got into comedy, right after my 21st birthday.
And so when I was getting into, like, really into kickboxing was like 20 into 21. And at the same time, I was thinking about doing stand-up.
And at the same time, I was realizing Taekwondo was bullshit.
Not really bullshit, but it's incomplete.
The problem is it's incomplete if someone knows how to box.
Like when someone closes the distance on you, you don't know what to do with your hands.
You don't know how to protect yourself.
You don't know where the punches are coming from.
You're not used to it, and you have to get used to it.
And the only way to get used to it is to learn how to actually box.
And I didn't know how to actually box until I was like 19 and 20 when I started going to these other gyms.
And then...
When I when I realized I had these giant holes Trying out for Taekwondo like doing Taekwondo tournaments and I still competed in Taekwondo But less I wasn't excited about it anymore because I realized like this is if I want to be a complete martial artist like I want to follow like Bruce Lee's teaching I've found a hole in my game and I have to patch that shit up There's a whole part that I thought I knew how to do and I didn't I knew how to punch things like I could punch things hard But you think that's boxing until someone pops you with a double jab left hook Pop,
pop, whap!
And you're like, oh, no.
What is this nonsense?
andrew santino
When technique comes to play.
joe rogan
What is this lean hand uppercut you just fucking chin me with?
andrew santino
You think that's also because you're obsessed as a human.
You're obsessed with finding the next level of things, so you were leveling up, too.
Taekwondo just became kind of boring to you, too.
joe rogan
It wasn't that, because I still wasn't the best in the country.
I'd lost in the finals to the guy who was this...
Kareem Jabbar, I think his name was.
andrew santino
He sounds good.
joe rogan
He was good.
He was very good.
He was the national champion.
andrew santino
You know Kareem Jabbar's are good.
joe rogan
I lost a decision, but I'm telling you, I thought I won that.
But there was a lot of wacky decisions in Taekwondo.
I mean, I definitely lost a lot of fights, but there was ones that I won that I didn't get the decision.
andrew santino
Is it a point system?
joe rogan
Yeah, but it's a weird point system.
It's very similar to boxing.
Where, you know, you decide.
People decide.
andrew santino
I never understood, but I love boxing, watching my whole life.
I still don't get boxing scoring when you're like, where do they come up with these numbers?
joe rogan
It's just people that aren't good at it.
If you had elite boxing judges, that's what I used to love about HBO boxing.
andrew santino
It's like comedy judges.
joe rogan
Harold Letterman used to tell you what the score was.
He would tell you what the score was.
So he would say, this is how I have it.
I think Rosario has been doing the best work.
Break down the fight.
It was part of what was fun.
But anyway, I wasn't bored with it in that I achieved the highest of heights.
It was that I realized it had holes in it, like big holes.
Big holes.
Big holes, like if I was in a street fight with one of those boxers, and I was in a bar where I couldn't throw a kick, I would be in deep shit.
Deep shit.
And so I learned how to box.
But that was right...
I'm no expert.
That's my point.
I'm not a guy who should be explaining...
Like, everything that's going on.
andrew santino
Yeah, but it's entertaining.
Like we talked about before the show, all these NFL guys are mad because Tony Romo got a $17 million contract.
And they're way better than him on the field than he ever was on the field.
A lot of these guys are getting paid way less than this dude was.
And they're like, how the fuck is this dude getting paid?
joe rogan
And he's just talking.
andrew santino
Yeah, and he's just chatting.
joe rogan
Well, that's what makes guys like Neon Sanders, Neon Deon, be so flamboyant.
Because that's where you get money, outside of just playing.
andrew santino
And the truth is, guys like Romo...
He does have, and this is something that you would share, his acumen for the game is so strong, but also his opinions are so real that he's not trying to save a job.
A lot of times these announcers, they're trying to just save a job.
They're doing the right thing.
joe rogan
They're being safe.
andrew santino
Yes, they're towing the line.
He doesn't give a fuck.
He'll call out an offense or a defense and say, well, this is why they fucked up that last play.
And I think America goes, oh, shit, that's great.
That's cool to know.
Versus someone just going, here's the play, and there's the play, and that's what happened, and okay, here, next.
I mean, people get bored of the same kind of announcers.
joe rogan
It's also his insight is going to be so much better than anybody who hasn't played the game.
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He's so keen.
andrew santino
He just came off the field.
joe rogan
Yeah, exactly.
That's why in the UFC they do a great job with guys like Michael Bisping, who's a former middleweight champion.
He does a lot of commentary now, and he's great.
andrew santino
DC, DC commenting, yeah.
joe rogan
Dominic Cruz, Paul Felder, who's great at it too.
And all these guys that have fought before, especially at the really highest level, maybe even fought some of the guys they're doing commentary for.
They can give real insight as to things this guy does, what they train for, tendencies, stuff like that.
andrew santino
Do any of these ex-fighters ever become trainers or coaches?
joe rogan
Oh yeah, yeah, a lot.
Because that's like the thing in the NBA is like become a coach it's like they all want to become a coach not not as much in the NFL but NBA specifically it's big with that yeah but you know what makes me sad when fighters become coaches and then get fat well they all get fat dude a lot of them get fat not all of them I don't want to call anybody out there's a bunch in boxing there's a bunch in MMA and then you see them and you're like damn dude what's going on you ain't training I'm eating.
Well, when they're done fighting, man, they're just done.
They're just done.
andrew santino
Well, because a lot of these athletes, they spend their every waking moment like not doing the fucked up thing that we all get to do.
And so then when they get a break, I think at some point they're like, fuck it, dude.
joe rogan
But that was one of the reasons why it's so impressive that a guy like George St. Pierre takes four years off and comes back better than ever because he never stopped training.
You really never stop training, because he's a martial artist.
He's not just a fighter.
He fights professionally, and he's a world champion, but he's also a martial artist.
That's what he is.
So he's always training, and he trains because he enjoys it.
So when I see a guy like him that takes years off, you see him, he looks like a fucking Greek god.
He's sculpted.
He looks perfect.
Doesn't look like he's taking a day off out of the gym.
He looks as good, if not better, than he did when he was the welterweight champion of the world.
He looks amazing.
andrew santino
He doesn't gain anyway.
Isn't it more fun, though, to see a guy like...
joe rogan
Get fat as fuck?
andrew santino
Yeah, like the Fury fight.
Like, what a story to tell for a guy to get fat and then thin again.
joe rogan
Yeah, but that's different.
He's still a fighter.
andrew santino
Sure.
joe rogan
He had just a depressed moment in his life.
But we're talking about guys who become trainers after fighting, and they get fat.
That makes me sad, because I think they're sad.
andrew santino
Well, yeah, but they're also missing out on the thing that they used to get to do.
I mean, it's got to be weird to put on a suit as a coach or a trainer or whatever, put on the proper gear when you're not doing the thing anymore and watching it.
It's like I quit basketball my senior year because I liked partying a lot, and I was like...
I say this.
I found drugs and I was like, take it easy, basketball.
That's hilarious.
And a friend of mine invited me out.
We were getting stoned and he invited me to go to a game because we knew one of the rival school guys who were playing and we wanted to see him afterwards.
And I went and I was baked out of my head, but I was sitting in the bleachers watching them play and a piece of it killed me.
I didn't think it was going to affect me because I was like, I'm over basketball.
I'm never going to play in college.
It was fun while it lasted.
I got to move on.
But it did kill me, dude.
A piece of me was sitting there being like, fuck, this sucks.
I remember what that felt like, that thing.
And when I took it away from myself, it does fuck you up.
joe rogan
It's exciting.
andrew santino
It stays in your brain, yeah, because you miss it.
joe rogan
You're playing a game.
You're trying to win.
They're trying to win, too.
The ball's going there.
No, it's over here.
I'm going to try to grab it.
Pass it to me.
Oh, I take the shot.
unidentified
Yeah!
andrew santino
You feel like a hero, right?
If you retired from comedy, if you went to see a stand-up show, it would eat you alive.
joe rogan
Probably, unless you were done.
Unless you're really done.
andrew santino
Are you really going to ever be done?
joe rogan
Not me.
Some people.
andrew santino
But who do you know of the greats that you love and respect are just done at some point?
joe rogan
Steve Martin.
andrew santino
He's still touring.
He's touring right now.
joe rogan
Yeah, but not really.
He's not doing stand-up.
andrew santino
He's doing this two-man show with Martin Short where I watched it.
They do stand-up-y bits, but I also think Steve is the music bug took over, which to me is still the same parallel.
He's still performing.
I think the music bug took over.
joe rogan
Well, he had it back then.
I mean, don't you remember, like, his stand-up albums?
Yeah, he had music.
Yeah, he had a bunch of songs.
andrew santino
But now he's, like, an outright musician.
That's all he wants to do.
So that, to me, it's still the same...
joe rogan
He's doing a different thing.
andrew santino
He's doing it differently, but he's still...
So, like, to me, I always think when someone goes, oh, yeah, when I retire, it's like, you're never gonna fucking retire from comedy unless it tells you you gotta go away.
I don't think comedy...
I don't think we ever quit.
I think it just...
joe rogan
Well, the thing is, if you can still do it, why would you stop?
You know how fun it is?
I mean, we talked about this before.
I feel bad for people who can't kill.
Yeah, it's weird.
You've never felt that?
You go on stage in the OR and just rock the house?
andrew santino
It's the best feeling in the world.
joe rogan
And when you got a new punchline, BAM! And it hits.
andrew santino
When you know it's coming to the way it feels.
joe rogan
And you see people happy.
You look out.
It's all these smiles.
Everybody's having a good time.
Everybody's happy.
You feel that.
You feel like you're making people feel good.
andrew santino
You're laughing.
That's why I think it'd be really hard to quit.
It'd be a sad moment to give that up.
You know when they say...
A guy retires, that's when he dies sometimes.
My old man retired, it's different, dude.
His lust for life is a little bit different now.
He's going through waves.
He's getting better, but it's weird, man.
It just feels like he's a people person.
He wants to be around people, and now that he doesn't have that anymore, I'm like, go get a fucking shitty job at a clothing store or something.
He's like, go get a bullshit job so you can talk to people, because being at the house is miserable.
He doesn't do shit all day.
He watches Fox News and eats beef jerky, and I'm like, get off.
Get the fuck out of the house, dude.
joe rogan
Dude, Fox News is designed for old people.
andrew santino
It's on loop.
It's on loop in the living room.
joe rogan
So many old people, when I go over to their house, they're watching Fox News.
andrew santino
Fox News, man.
joe rogan
White men over 60. It's mandatory.
They watch Fox News and shake their head.
I can't believe these libs.
andrew santino
Yeah.
joe rogan
I can't believe them.
andrew santino
And see?
Lock her up.
Lock her up.
joe rogan
What are they trying to sneak in?
I don't believe them.
I don't trust them.
andrew santino
They run out of so much material.
Sometimes when I come home to my parents' house, they've run out of material to talk about on Fox News, and they start getting really heavy into pop culture.
That's when it makes me laugh.
They're like, did you see what Ariana Grande was doing the other day?
I'm like, this is when they're out of shit.
They got nothing to talk about.
They're empty at some point.
joe rogan
Well, it's...
Then you have guys like...
These shows are opinion shows as much as they are news shows.
andrew santino
They're mostly opinion shows.
joe rogan
A big part of it is opinion.
It's just such a weird time, man.
You know, what's really interesting to me, too, is if a liberal goes on Fox News, they get a ton of shit.
andrew santino
Oh, yeah.
joe rogan
Like any of the presidential candidates that have been on Fox News.
I think Yang...
I know Bernie's been on Fox News.
And I think Tulsi's definitely been on Fox News as well.
andrew santino
Yeah.
joe rogan
And people just get real mad at them.
andrew santino
Yeah, because there's this thing.
joe rogan
What are you doing over there?
andrew santino
Yeah.
joe rogan
Talking to those propagandists.
andrew santino
Those fascists.
It's like the way that people talk about you is really funny when they're like, you know, when they label you with something.
Oh, there's our boy.
unidentified
What's Joe Biden doing?
joe rogan
What happened?
andrew santino
There's our bud.
joe rogan
Oh, Biden was there too.
Look at him.
unidentified
See, I just wonder about his skin.
andrew santino
Are they pulling it back with fishing wire to keep it up on his head?
joe rogan
He seems oddly stiff.
You know what I'm saying?
Yeah.
It seems like everything's pulled.
I expect a certain amount of laxity in a man's face when he reaches a certain age, particularly around the forehead area.
I'm just not seeing it.
I'm not seeing any movement either, which makes me wonder about that.
Like, I want to see expressions in your forehead.
andrew santino
My worry is his lack...
He has a very big...
He lacks the ability to have, like, a cohesive story.
Like, he's not good at being...
Like, have you ever seen him talking to the kids by the pool?
It's the weirdest fucking clip.
joe rogan
Talking about his hairy legs?
andrew santino
What the fuck?
He's like, to a bunch of little black kids, he's like, and the black kids would come up and they'd see my hair go up and bubbles come up.
unidentified
And they'd touch my hairy legs.
andrew santino
I just think his brain is he's losing a lot of I tweeted something this morning because there was someone put up a video of Models on a runway on a catwalk and they're all tripping and falling in the same spot these dumb shoes They're wearing and I was like this is Biden's brain cells It's like they think they're on the right path until they get this spot and then they just can't fucking Did you see the thing that he was talking about God creating women?
joe rogan
No, and then he called his wife his sister, you know the you know I forget what it was.
I forget what the gaff was.
But it was one of those, we listened to him, like, what are you saying?
Like, it's like he has no brakes.
Like, his car is going down the hill.
It's like, oh, geez, I hit a fucking tree.
andrew santino
He's like, hit the wall, fuck it.
joe rogan
There it is.
Can't remember the word creator.
Refers to God as the thing.
andrew santino
Hey, actually, I like that more.
That's funny.
joe rogan
You know what I think?
I have a different take on it.
Let's play it.
I have a different take on it.
Because when I listened to it, I said, oh, I know what he's doing.
jamie vernon
Which one do you think it is?
joe rogan
The bottom one.
The second one.
He doesn't want to...
unidentified
We owe these truths to be self-evident.
andrew santino
All men and women created by...
unidentified
You know the thing.
joe rogan
Stop.
Pause.
You can't be president.
Stop.
Pause.
Pause.
Listen, we can't play any games here, folks.
This is a really old man who can't talk.
Like, this is not a joke.
Like, that right now.
You know the thing?
Play that again.
Play that again.
This should get you into a mental hospital.
They should be like, hey, Joe, you all right?
unidentified
We hold these truths to be self-evident.
All men and women created by the...
You know the thing.
joe rogan
He had three strokes while he was saying that.
The first one, what was that word?
Self-evident?
Is that what he said?
andrew santino
We hold these truths to be self-evident.
joe rogan
But it didn't even sound right.
Hear it again.
Listen to it.
unidentified
We hold these truths to be self-evident.
andrew santino
Self-evident.
joe rogan
He's drunk.
That dude's either drunk or he can't talk.
andrew santino
We hold these truths to be self-evident.
joe rogan
He shouldn't be doing this anymore.
andrew santino
Self-evident.
And then he says, when he goes, he could have just said, all men and women are created, and he could have just said equal and gotten out of there and been like, fuck it.
unidentified
And instead he goes, the thing.
joe rogan
I think he didn't want to say the creator because there's a lot of people...
andrew santino
The religious thing.
joe rogan
Yeah.
There's a lot of people that would say, well, what are you trying to say?
Do you believe in evolution or not?
Are you a science denier, Joe Biden?
Joe Biden's a science denier.
andrew santino
That's it.
But that's part of the problem with all these...
My biggest beef...
With anybody in the Democratic Party, when you watch these debates, is they all want to say the thing that they really feel, but they're tiptoeing because they're scared out of their fucking minds of someone going, Warren just said, see?
And she's anti-trans because they're waiting for them to fuck up.
joe rogan
Yeah.
Well, they're making people behave the way they would like them to behave.
They're forcing compliance.
andrew santino
Right.
Meanwhile, Trump is just like, trans, fags, I don't care.
Fuck them all.
He doesn't give a shit.
joe rogan
We were trying to find it yesterday.
Did you find that thing for Titania McGrath?
andrew santino
God, I love that dude.
He's awesome.
He's a really nice guy too.
The interview was great, but his perspective on the chaos is so perfect because he just takes a little bit of how dumb they are and just shows everybody and it says so much.
A little dumb tweet says everything you need to know.
He tweeted something today that was phenomenal.
jamie vernon
I was trying to remember what I was looking for because I couldn't find it.
joe rogan
There was a series of – it was a tweet in response to a series of tweets about removing a flag that said woman, a noun, a female human.
And then people were saying that's a transphobic dog whistle.
You should remove that immediately.
And then he's like, that's true.
andrew santino
I forget the exact – Females have never been women.
Or women have never been females or something like that.
joe rogan
Female humans.
andrew santino
Yeah, female humans.
joe rogan
It's like – It's so great.
You find it – It's real recent.
Unless he's tweeting all day every day.
andrew santino
And they took down the flag.
jamie vernon
Is it a response to a picture?
Here, I'll show you what I'm looking at.
joe rogan
Okay, show me what you're looking at.
Where did it start?
20 hours, keep going.
andrew santino
Oh, this is two days ago, maybe.
Three days ago or something like that.
So you'll see there's a flag.
joe rogan
That's it.
andrew santino
That's it right there.
joe rogan
Bam.
See, first one.
Go to the first one.
See that?
There it is.
Look at this.
It says, hey...
Sefton Council.
Flag you're flying at the moment is a hostile transphobic dog whistle.
Recognizes a symbol and brand of one of Britain's most outspoken and visible trans antagonists and the leader of a transphobic hate group.
Hmm.
Okay.
Well, he might be telling the truth there, though.
That might be something that really anti-trans people do fly as a flag, even though it is just the definition of a woman.
That might actually be true.
andrew santino
It could be.
joe rogan
See, the thing is, one thing is what it is.
What it is is a fact.
But if that's something, if it has some logo on it that represents some anti-trans group, does it?
unidentified
Right.
joe rogan
Can we find out if it does?
We should know because it's either one of two things.
Either it's crazy to say that it's transphobic because all it is is the biological scientific definition of a woman.
andrew santino
And it's woman empowerment is maybe the initial intention was to be like, women, go women, but underneath it all it might be some fucked up.
joe rogan
You can't say go women if it's women versus trans women.
You can say go women if it's women versus men.
andrew santino
Right, right.
joe rogan
But you can't say go women if it's women versus trans women because trans women are women.
andrew santino
You know what I say to women, Joe?
I say, get back in the kitchen.
joe rogan
You son of a bitch.
You probably do say that.
andrew santino
That's where you belong.
joe rogan
You do say that.
andrew santino
Yeah, that's what I say.
joe rogan
Fucking terrible.
So find out if that flag actually is the flag from a hate group.
Because if there was a transphobic...
Let's imagine.
Not someone who's like, hey, I don't think trans women should fight biological women and not tell them that they used to be a man for 30 years.
Which is my position.
This is what got me called transphobic.
That's not really transphobic.
Because I really don't care if you're trans.
I'm happy for you.
If it makes you feel better to be a woman or better to transition to a man, congratulations.
Really.
andrew santino
As an adult.
Yeah, yeah, yeah.
joe rogan
But...
There are groups out there that don't like trans people, like literally don't like them and think that they're all insane and that they all should be committed to mental institutions and that they should never call them by their female name and you should never treat them like they're a woman.
Maybe that was the head of that group.
That's a different perspective.
andrew santino
But it was a council.
He was tweeting it.
It's a government building, which is why I have a hard time believing it.
That's the angle.
joe rogan
That's why I'm like, who put the flag up?
Where'd the flag come from?
andrew santino
Click on that Clifton Council and see whom they are.
But that's the problem.
joe rogan
There's a difference, though.
andrew santino
There is.
But also, do you think...
Do you think that, just blankly, do you think that was the intention of that flag?
joe rogan
I think, most likely, if I was going to fly a flag that said woman, noun, a biological female, I was saying that a biological male is not a woman.
That's probably what I was saying.
andrew santino
Sure.
joe rogan
Depends on why they're saying it.
Are they saying it because these...
Trans women are encroaching on female spaces, like female sports, or are they saying it because they don't think it's morally right for someone to transition to become a woman?
I mean, why are they saying it?
That's the question.
It's not what it is, because what it is is inarguable.
Yes, that's what a woman is.
The question is, do you think that a trans woman is the same as a biological woman in terms of the respect they deserve?
And whether or not you should treat them in a friendly manner.
andrew santino
Right.
joe rogan
Or whether you should discriminate them or be allowed to discriminate against them.
That's where it gets weird, right?
andrew santino
Yeah, I mean, I think...
I hear all this stuff and I just...
I think about that asteroid that's supposed to come and I'm like, hurry up.
I don't really give a fuck anymore.
I'm just fucking...
joe rogan
Dude, we got through the black plague.
You don't think we'll get through trans people?
Let's go.
andrew santino
No, no.
We'll be fine.
No, I'm saying we don't...
All this nonsense...
I think global warming is going to be good for us.
I think we deserve to get out of here for a little while.
joe rogan
What are you talking about?
andrew santino
Get out of here for a little while.
I think the earth needs to start from scratch.
I think we need to get fucked off this planet and the earth needs to start again without us.
I think we're getting too heavy.
joe rogan
Or someone sounds like a quitter.
andrew santino
Yeah, I'm out.
Hey, hey, I'm done.
joe rogan
You sound like a quitter.
andrew santino
I'm done.
I'm done.
joe rogan
The real problem is people trying to get people to comply with their perspective and not recognizing other people's perspectives and then being militant about supporting their side.
andrew santino
Yeah, but look, an educated person is cool with almost everyone doing what they want, what they please, right?
So what we're really doing is saying- For the most part.
Most educated people would go, do you care about trans?
I'd go, I hope they're fucking happy.
I don't care what anybody wants to do.
As long as it makes them happy and that's a part of their life that they choose to do, that no one's forced them to do, then I hope that they're happy.
Why would I care?
I think only uneducated people have a tough time accepting somebody else's needs or wants to be what society doesn't deem the norm.
joe rogan
You get more insecure.
andrew santino
Yeah, because if you're fucking educated, you have other things to think about and to worry about.
joe rogan
You have just educated people that are bigots.
andrew santino
Sure, sure, but I do think it's more rare.
joe rogan
Yeah, I think so too.
But I think there's a lot of really kind people that aren't educated.
I think really it's just...
andrew santino
Or ignorant, perhaps.
Maybe that's the thing.
Maybe there's a lot of...
Okay, so let's say this.
There's members of my family or friends or people that we know, quite educated, who are ignorant towards people, so they've never met a trans person, so they're a little weary of them, perhaps.
It doesn't mean they hate them.
It means they might go...
I don't know, man.
I've never fucking seen one.
You know what I mean?
joe rogan
Well, let's be honest.
Before, people felt real comfortable, and they still don't really, but they're more comfortable now, I think, coming out than they ever were before.
andrew santino
Yeah, people should feel comfortable.
joe rogan
But my point is there wasn't that many of them.
Like, when we were kids, how many trans kids were in your high school?
andrew santino
Zero.
joe rogan
Zero.
andrew santino
Yeah, but also there probably were kids that wanted to be trans.
joe rogan
That's what I'm saying.
andrew santino
They just societally had this weird bar on them that was like...
joe rogan
That's what's weird.
It's like that bar has been lifted in some ways.
andrew santino
How many more bars are going to get lifted?
That's my whole thing too.
What else is next?
joe rogan
Foxkin.
People that are...
They think they're animals.
andrew santino
Yeah, but I'm cool with that.
unidentified
Do you know about all that?
andrew santino
I went to high school with some kids that thought they were animals for sure.
You know, there's always like a kid that wears ears and prances through the hallway.
joe rogan
Yeah, furries.
They're furries now.
andrew santino
And people are like, Mikey's funny, man.
You gotta let him fly.
joe rogan
If they get together, they have a good time.
You know, like those furry conventions?
andrew santino
Right, I've seen them before.
unidentified
You've seen those.
joe rogan
They get together, they're having a good time.
andrew santino
But that's always sexual.
Like, it always turns into a...
It's never like a, we just do this because this is how we feel.
It's like, we like to fuck in costumes.
That's what it is.
joe rogan
Yeah, and you take a peek as Woody the Woodpecker doll is about to fuck you.
You look at his herpes-ridden dick.
Like, what is going on?
andrew santino
Is this a personal experience?
unidentified
What happened?
joe rogan
Oh, there's a person under there.
All sweaty, with staph infections and shit.
andrew santino
Imagine the perfect job for one of those kids in high school that wanted to be an animal is a mascot for a sporting team.
That's like the most...
They're just in there jerking off in between.
joe rogan
There's all these guys running around.
Everybody's going crazy.
Nobody knows who you really are under there.
You can dance around.
andrew santino
Yeah.
joe rogan
Act silly.
It's probably hot as fuck in there though.
andrew santino
So we talked about this.
I went to a basketball game when I got home the other day and I was like, I wonder how much they make.
I wonder if they only do it because it's a free trip to the game because there's no way you can't make a lot of money doing it.
I can't imagine.
joe rogan
I would imagine you don't make a lot of money.
First of all, you're replaceable.
You just put that head on somebody else's body and no one's even going to know.
andrew santino
We're done with you, Dave.
Why?
Dance around.
I'm going to hire my nephew instead.
joe rogan
Whenever there's a mascot, like Ronald McDonald, you're like, hmm.
andrew santino
Yeah, why?
joe rogan
Yeah, and I remember there was some McDonald's, maybe I'm remembering this incorrectly, but didn't they used to have McDonald's where you could meet Ronald McDonald?
At some McDonald's?
andrew santino
He used to be, yeah.
The figure himself was at charity events a lot.
joe rogan
But there was a guy dressed up like him?
Is that what it was?
andrew santino
Yeah, but it wouldn't be at the location just on a random day.
There was always like, the Ronald McDonald House was a children's sponsorship, and they would do a lot of events.
He was out a little bit more.
joe rogan
But it's almost like a Santa Claus type deal.
andrew santino
Totally.
joe rogan
I mean, if Ronald McDonald asked for too much money, they'd be like, bitch, nobody knows what you really look like.
Let's get a new Ronald.
unidentified
Yeah, dude.
joe rogan
Why don't we use the same nose?
unidentified
Yeah.
andrew santino
We got Ronald in Kansas is way better than you do.
We're shipping him in.
joe rogan
Tom's nose is the same size as your nose.
unidentified
Right.
joe rogan
And you have to switch the little red thing.
andrew santino
Mascots for fast food is very interesting.
I've never even thought about that, why that exists.
Burger King never had one.
joe rogan
It's for kids.
They're roping kids in.
andrew santino
But why Wendy's has Wendy?
joe rogan
Yeah, cute little girl.
Makes you want to go there and get a burger.
andrew santino
Taco Bell has Alejandro.
You know him.
Do you know him?
Alejandro the Taco?
joe rogan
No.
Is that real?
andrew santino
No, it's not a real thing.
jamie vernon
I had that little dog for a while.
andrew santino
Yeah, that was...
joe rogan
Taco Bell had a little dog.
andrew santino
What was his name?
You know, that's a comic.
No, that's a comedian that does that voice.
unidentified
Is it?
andrew santino
Carlos Equiziri.
Is that his...
I don't know how to say his name.
The guy from Reno 911?
joe rogan
He did it?
andrew santino
Yeah, the Yo'Kero Taco Bell.
Carlos Equiziri.
Look that up to make sure that I'm not out of my head, but...
Yeah, he did that campaign.
unidentified
Oh.
andrew santino
Yeah, the Yo Quiero Taco Bell.
Yeah, but Burger King never had one.
They didn't need one.
Huh?
jamie vernon
Look at the King.
Remember, they have all those commercials with him.
He just doesn't talk.
andrew santino
Yeah, he doesn't say anything.
He's not really like a fake.
He's just like a symbol more than anything.
I guess Wendy's didn't talk much either.
What was your fat out?
jamie vernon
I had Dave Thomas, though.
He was the creator.
I mean, that's from Columbus, so I know a lot about it, but...
andrew santino
Wendy's would be from Columbus.
jamie vernon
Yeah.
andrew santino
We had White Castle.
That was our trash as a kid.
joe rogan
It's interesting if you have someone like In-N-Out that doesn't, they don't do fast food.
It's not really fast food.
I mean, it's pretty fast, but it's way better.
andrew santino
Yeah, it's medium fast.
joe rogan
But they actually cook it right there.
When you get it, it's just way better.
andrew santino
Oh, by far.
joe rogan
It's not even close.
andrew santino
Yeah.
joe rogan
So, like, if you go by Burger King and you see, like, the drive-in, there might be one person there.
andrew santino
Yeah.
joe rogan
You go by In-N-Out, that motherfucker's around the block.
andrew santino
Never not.
unidentified
Always.
andrew santino
It's never not packed.
joe rogan
There's always a line.
And it's because it's a better product.
But how come they don't...
How come everybody else doesn't go, hey, I got an idea?
Why don't we make it better?
jamie vernon
Did you watch the Founder movie?
andrew santino
Yeah, that's why.
jamie vernon
The Founder?
andrew santino
The Founder.
unidentified
Yeah, yeah.
jamie vernon
About how they made it just—it was about speed.
andrew santino
Because McDonald's became a production line, and they learned that shipping burgers frozen was way more efficient, and they lost less product, and they also cost them nothing.
In-N-Out was willing to take a hit because they were a family-run business, and they were like, there's only a few locations.
We'll do better product for a little bit higher of a price and not franchise it yet.
Because now you can only franchise it if you're a member of their family.
You know that?
joe rogan
Good.
Keep it up.
andrew santino
Whatever they're doing.
You can only open a franchise if you are an extended member of the original family.
joe rogan
I'm happy.
andrew santino
Yeah.
Because it's great.
They keep it that way.
joe rogan
They're great.
andrew santino
Because if they went the other way, it would go to shit.
joe rogan
I mean, dude, you get raw onions on a double-double.
Woo, son.
andrew santino
It's the best.
joe rogan
It's so good.
andrew santino
It is the best.
joe rogan
But the thing about it is there's nothing comparable.
Like, there's no one else is doing it except Five Guys.
There's no one else is doing it like that.
Don't shake your fucking head at Five Guys.
andrew santino
I don't like Five Guys.
Five Guys can take a walk.
No, dude.
jamie vernon
Oh, how dare you both.
andrew santino
But Fat Burger is a sit-down restaurant in Southern California.
That's like a sit-down.
joe rogan
Fat Burger's pretty good.
andrew santino
And Whataburger and Fat Burger are on the same level to me.
They're like, you sit down when you eat.
Nobody drives through Fat Burger.
joe rogan
That's true, but maybe Fat Burger should be on that list.
jamie vernon
I think you're right.
Burger stands are a thing here that really don't exist a lot of places.
There are a lot of still small places.
joe rogan
But here's the thing.
How come Fat Burger doesn't have the kind of clientele base that In-N-Out does?
They drive through.
That's what it is?
andrew santino
Yeah, but I would also argue...
joe rogan
Don't they know about drive-thrus?
Why wouldn't they have a drive-thru?
andrew santino
But I bet you it has a lot to do with strategic locations as well.
I bet you In-N-Out puts itself in places where they know they're going to have...
joe rogan
No, there's a Fatburger right up here on Ventura.
It's in a great spot.
And it usually gets a few people in there.
But I'm saying it's never got the kind of lines, but he's right.
It's a drive-thru thing.
The other thing is Fatburger, they do the same thing.
They cook it right then when you order it.
andrew santino
I don't really do it.
I don't do it.
If I'm going to get out of the house and eat one of those, I'm going to have In-N-Out.
It's the only one I will really go to.
joe rogan
That burger's pretty good.
andrew santino
And I don't like Five Guys.
It's not a drive-thru either.
That's a fucking...
What's the one that came to L.A., everyone freaked out?
Steak and Shake.
jamie vernon
Shake Shack.
andrew santino
No.
jamie vernon
Because it came from New York.
andrew santino
Shake Shack, that's it?
jamie vernon
Yeah, they had a huge line for like months.
Pass.
It's okay, but it's like a gourmet version of all...
They have critical fries, which is the problem.
joe rogan
It's a gourmet?
Is that good?
jamie vernon
Yeah, like a gourmet chef.
joe rogan
Isn't that the place that was in Ohio that was outside of the Funny Bone?
jamie vernon
No.
joe rogan
What was that place?
jamie vernon
Probably some local Columbus place.
andrew santino
That's how you really want to get diarrhea.
joe rogan
That's some Shaq thing, some Shake Shaq or Steak.
jamie vernon
Oh, Steak and Shake.
joe rogan
Steak and Shake?
That's it.
Okay.
See, my fucking dumbass had those two.
Like, oh, it's that one.
My dumbass had those two connected.
jamie vernon
That's not even hamburger.
Those are technically steak patties or steak burgers.
I don't know.
joe rogan
Oh, really?
jamie vernon
Yeah, it's like an old.
joe rogan
But they have that Columbus chili with spaghetti.
jamie vernon
So that's Skyline chili.
That's a Cincinnati thing.
joe rogan
Yeah, but they have that in Columbus as well.
jamie vernon
Yeah, all over Ohio.
andrew santino
That's all over the Midwest.
That Wisconsin does that.
joe rogan
Chili with spaghetti.
andrew santino
They do it up here.
joe rogan
Pretty goddamn good when you're drunk.
andrew santino
Oh, dude, go to Chili John's here in the Valley.
You never heard of Chili John's?
joe rogan
No.
andrew santino
They do that.
You know Chili John's in Burbank?
You never heard of it?
That's what they do.
There was a guy from the Midwest.
He put one over there.
joe rogan
There's a few places that you hear about when you're like, oh, that's real?
Did you know there's a 24-hour steakhouse in downtown LA? What?
Pacific Dining Cart.
unidentified
Yeah.
joe rogan
It's like a legit 24-hour steakhouse.
I'm writing it down.
You and I can go there tonight at 4 in the morning.
andrew santino
Let's fucking go.
joe rogan
And get a legit steak.
Like a fucking bone-in ribeye, medium-rare mashed potatoes with the fucking sour cream and chives, kid.
andrew santino
How come I never heard of this before?
joe rogan
I don't know.
I haven't eaten at it.
I've eaten at the one in Santa Monica.
andrew santino
Save.
joe rogan
But one of the writers...
I don't fucking...
I don't remember which show it was on.
I forgot which writer told me about this.
But it was quite a few years back, and I looked into it.
There's a 24-hour Pacific Dining Cart in downtown LA. 24 hours.
andrew santino
You're the only guy I've ever had steak with at 1.30 in the morning.
You're the only dude of my whole life.
36 years I've been on the earth, and you're the only guy that we go on tour together.
It'll be me and you, and we'll be late night, and you'll go, you're hungry?
And I'll go, yeah.
But usually I'll go, I'll just, you know, whatever, eat something small and quick.
And you're like, let's go get a big fuck-off steak.
And we will.
joe rogan
Well, the good thing about going to big cities like New York or Chicago, there's always some weird spot that serves food real late, you know, four o'clock in the morning, kitchen's open till three.
andrew santino
You're like, really?
And if we call and they're like, I'm like, I'm kind of like, Joe.
They're like, okay, we're open.
We're open.
We just reopened.
We closed, but we reopened.
joe rogan
We've had that happen a couple times.
That was very nice.
andrew santino
It's been great.
joe rogan
Yeah.
andrew santino
It's been great.
joe rogan
That was Dallas, right?
Didn't we do something like that in Dallas?
andrew santino
Was it in Dallas?
Dude, the days are...
I'm bad with that overware.
joe rogan
Late night's take after a fucking great show.
unidentified
Nice.
andrew santino
No, it is the best.
Late night eating has changed.
Comedy will change the way you eat.
It's so funny when you're young in comedy, you eat a certain way because you don't have any fucking money.
And then when you get along in your career, you get to eat better and you eat so different.
Your hours change.
It's so weird.
Like when people ask me what time I eat lunch or breakfast, I'm like, all that shit is depending on where I am and where I'm going.
joe rogan
People say it's not good to eat late at night.
And I think really, it's just food.
I think the real problem is eating too much food.
So when I eat late at night, I don't eat the next day until like 1 in the afternoon or later.
I don't eat breakfast most of the time if I eat late at night.
I get up and I work out.
I do something.
I might not eat until 2 or 3 in the afternoon.
unidentified
Right.
andrew santino
Don't they say it's what you eat?
It's not when you eat.
Yeah, if you're eating bullshit.
joe rogan
It is a little bit when you eat.
I mean, if you eat and then just go to sleep, that's not the best.
It really should be moving around.
Your body could probably digest things better.
Yeah.
The real problem is what you eat.
When you're on the road, man, it's so easy to eat bullshit.
andrew santino
I know.
joe rogan
It's so easy to fuck off and start eating candy and eat whatever nonsense trail mix you see at the fucking...
andrew santino
There's bullshit everywhere.
joe rogan
Yeah, you could pretend the trail mix is nutritious because it's got nuts in it.
andrew santino
Right.
It's got M&Ms.
Yeah, you just ate three bags of M&Ms, though.
joe rogan
Yeah, you ate so many M&Ms.
And then, you know, some of them have chocolate chips in them.
andrew santino
Yeah.
Even better.
That's the best version.
joe rogan
That's not good for you.
None of that stuff's good for you.
andrew santino
No, and especially because when I go on the road, you know, like I like the sauce.
So if I go to a bar.
joe rogan
The sauce.
andrew santino
I'm going to have the sauce and I'm going to have a couple of wings.
It's a part of the thing.
joe rogan
Yeah.
andrew santino
It's just so hard to not do that, you know?
joe rogan
Well, especially after you're tired.
See, the thing about those shows, too, is like, especially when we have nights where we do two shows.
andrew santino
Yeah.
joe rogan
You're fucking cooked.
andrew santino
Yeah, you're tired.
joe rogan
You know, you put out a lot of energy and there's a lot of concentration involved.
There's a lot of anticipation.
And then when they're over...
And then you're like, fuck, I'm hungry.
Because if we do two shows, that means we're going to do an 8 and a 10. I mean, the 10 is over at midnight-ish.
We're going to eat somewhere around 1. That means we're not eating between...
I won't eat two hours before a show, so that means I ate at 6. Right.
So, you know, it's like 7, 8 hours later, you're fucking starving.
andrew santino
Yeah, you're ravaged.
joe rogan
You're starving.
andrew santino
Last time we did that, when me, you, and Tony were together, we ate at 4.30, we had dinner.
unidentified
Yeah.
andrew santino
It's like Austin fucking geriatrics eating dinner and then 1.30 in the morning.
joe rogan
But if you do that, you get real fuel for the show.
Eating right before a show is the kiss of death.
andrew santino
Can't do it.
joe rogan
Yeah, it just slows you too down.
Too much.
andrew santino
Yeah, it slows you down too much.
It gets too heavy.
And I'm trying to be more focused on, like, when I get to the hotel, I just go right to the gym.
joe rogan
Yep, that's what you gotta do.
andrew santino
It's so painful.
joe rogan
But it's a thing you have to do.
Like, this is what I do.
I don't have an option.
You go straight to the gym.
If you give yourself an option, you'll fuck off.
andrew santino
You're fucked.
Well, I used to just get to the hotel, jerk off, and then nap.
Right?
Every single time.
I'd go, I'm gonna nap, and jerk off.
There's no way I'm not gonna do this.
And now I jerk off in the gym.
joe rogan
The other thing is I always have phone calls that I have to make or emails I have to answer.
And if I start fucking around with those things, it could be an hour later and then I watch a YouTube video.
Is that real?
Then I have to Google it.
How the fuck?
And the next thing you know, I'm down a rabbit hole and it's an hour and a half later and I'll tell myself, yeah, but I think I've got a good bit of this fucking...
andrew santino
This praying mantis bit is going to kill.
joe rogan
These Mongols with their flying eagles that they use to kill wolves.
I think there's something in that.
andrew santino
But it does do.
Sometimes you do get such a good bit from going down these stupid little wormholes for no reason.
joe rogan
Yeah, how did people ever even write jokes in the 80s?
I don't even know how I did it.
andrew santino
There was so much more observational humor.
There was so much more observational humor.
That's like the Seinfeld era of like, by the bus, you get on a bus, you get in a train.
That's why airplane jokes got quote-unquote played out because it was like, that's all people had.
There was no fucking internet.
They weren't walking around with the internet in their pocket.
joe rogan
And comics would always talk about airplanes because they were always traveling.
So it would be hotel, room service, knock-knock, do not disturb, like all these themes.
What does do not disturb mean in Spanish?
unidentified
LOL! The maid comes in.
andrew santino
I'm coming.
We're all coming!
I know you sound like we're shitting on Seinfeld, like I'm doing an impression of Jerry, but I'm not just the idea.
joe rogan
That era was like there was limited subject matter.
There was limited things to talk about.
andrew santino
Do you think that bubble, that comedy bubble from then is the same as now or now is bigger?
joe rogan
I don't think the bubble's the same.
I think the bubble that people had in the 80s, it's like people were just falling in love with stand-up comedy.
This is what we have to realize, and this is where it's really crazy.
It's really hard to imagine, but this is true.
When you think about the bubble, let's go back to 1980, stand-up comedy, and Jerry Seinfeld, please welcome this guy and that guy, and all these different comics that were really popular in the 80s.
That was only 40 years ago, okay?
So you go 40 years before them, you have nothing.
You have no stand-up.
andrew santino
Right.
joe rogan
I mean, you literally have jokes.
You have guys who do MC work at different clubs, they'll bring up a band, and then they'll do like the Don Rickles thing, they'll pick on guys in the audience.
And then Lenny Bruce comes along in the 50s, in the late 50s and the 60s, and Lenny Bruce gets arrested a bunch of times for talking, for explaining things, for...
Talking about how he really sees things, for using words that are forbidden, for talking about subjects that are taboo.
He does a different thing.
Nobody had done that before.
There's this new thing.
And then Mort Sahl does political humor, and then George Carlin changes from being this Johnny Carson-type seven-minute set on late-night TV guy with a suit on to being this hippie who talks about the dirty words you can't use on television, the seven dirty words.
And everything shifted, but that didn't happen that long ago.
So in the 1980s, people still didn't understand what it was.
So a guy would go on stage, and he looked like a comedian, so he assumed he was a comedian, because he knew how to talk like a comedian.
He's like, what's going on?
unidentified
What is this?
joe rogan
Wild Kingdom taking place in my house.
I got a cat.
I got a mouse.
Let's get them together.
Like there was comedy that wasn't really comedy.
It's like they were almost like premise merchants and they never figured out how to bring it to real comedy.
They just had a bunch of tricks and a bunch of like half duct taped premises but they sounded like a comedian.
I mean I told my wife if that's what you need to do you go right ahead.
And then everybody rushes.
Nobody laughs really hard, but they get that there's a rhythm going on.
They think they should go along with it.
Those guys get into the workplace, right?
They become part of the ecosystem, and they actually had careers.
But their boats start taking water, and they drown, and they all sink.
And they all went away.
If you go back to those days of the 80s and the early 90s, there was a whole bunch of comedians that were doing some weird thing.
They were mimicking the sound of stand-up comedians and talking about things that comedians talk about.
But they were missing, like, you know when you have cement, you gotta add a bunch of shit?
andrew santino
Yeah.
joe rogan
But if you only add three of those things, you just get this, what is this?
That's what they have, missing something.
So that was a different boom.
That was like people didn't know what comedy was.
Like, we're gonna go see some comedy.
unidentified
We're at the local comedy hut, and here comes the guy with the tie and the rolled up sleeves.
Hey!
andrew santino
But now they're obsessed.
Now it's an obsession.
Now comedy's become like this.
The fandom, I think, is something that I can't articulate.
It's wild to watch.
joe rogan
It's definitely different.
andrew santino
I mean, you've seen way more than I have in that sense.
But even when I first started in comedy, the fandom wasn't the same.
People didn't lose it like they do now when they meet all of these comics and go see them live.
I think it's a good thing.
It's just wild to see it's become...
Bigger than stand-up a little bit.
joe rogan
It is a weird thing.
It's a weird thing for sure.
But I think one of the things that's different is how prolific the comics of today are and how much stuff they're putting out.
If you look at a guy like Burr or Ali Wong or...
I mean, look at anybody who...
Segura, someone who regularly cranks out really good specials.
Like, the output's incredible.
andrew santino
Yeah, no, it's way stronger.
joe rogan
Every two years or so, they're putting out this murderous new special, and they're constantly working at it.
And that just didn't happen before.
And Binder was talking to me about that.
Binder is doing that documentary on the comic store.
andrew santino
Yeah, I did something important.
joe rogan
We were talking about how he was saying that those days people didn't work that hard.
They had one special, maybe, and then the next special would be years later if they ever had one again.
And they would have material that just was tried and true, and they would stick with it.
And he's like, I come in here and I see these guys just constantly cranking over and turning over new material.
And it's just a different kind of thing.
And those guys that I was talking about that were around before that kind of sounded like comedians, but they were missing something.
You know what they're really missing?
Embracing it as an art form.
They were using it as a way to try to get a sitcom.
They were using it as a way to try to get fame and to try to get success.
But they weren't in love with the idea of being an artist.
They weren't in love with the idea of crafting a new bit and trying it and tweaking it and getting it going and making it happen.
What am I doing wrong?
What am I doing right?
What should I do more of?
What should I do less of?
And then putting it all together in this fucking, like you're using alchemy, man.
You've got a sorceress hat on.
You're mixing this bitch together to boom!
All of a sudden it gets this big giant laugh.
Like you've conjured up some magic and you can get that big pop.
andrew santino
Yeah, the chemistry is unbelievable.
When it works...
Also, when you say a joke one different way and you're like, fuck.
And it doesn't go the way that it's supposed to go.
joe rogan
I do that all the time on purpose and ruin jokes just to see if there's a better way.
andrew santino
I'm like, fuck, why'd I rearrange the words?
joe rogan
But you have to think you have a certain number of sets, right?
If you don't rearrange the words sometimes, you don't know that magic spot.
Like, you miss the magic spot.
You know, it's like you ever...
I accidentally almost give your missus the old one in the old bum hole because you're looking for the spot and you missed a spot and you're like, hey!
andrew santino
Well, that's what I tell her.
I go, I was on accident.
joe rogan
Whoops!
andrew santino
Nah, it was purpose.
joe rogan
Oh my god.
andrew santino
I was aiming.
joe rogan
You shouldn't say that on the internet.
andrew santino
No, I don't let her listen to stuff.
joe rogan
Oh!
andrew santino
Yeah, she's not allowed to listen to anything.
She stays in her cage.
Jamie, don't laugh at that.
That's not funny, dude.
Okay?
That is not funny.
I keep her where she belongs.
unidentified
You know what, Jamie?
joe rogan
I think you're allowed to laugh because I don't think he means what he's saying.
I think what he's doing is called talking shit.
andrew santino
Dead serious.
joe rogan
I think he's talking shit, and it's confusing.
It confuses me sometimes.
andrew santino
You're right, though, that the goal was, like, could I get a TV special from it or a TV series?
Yeah.
It's changed so much that, like...
joe rogan
Bro, those guys wanted to make it.
andrew santino
Yeah.
joe rogan
You know, they wanted to be in.
They wanted to be accepted.
They were on the outside, and they were hungry and ambitious, and then they wanted to make it.
andrew santino
Right.
joe rogan
And then they got in.
And when they got in, they were, you know, like, Kinnison doing the fucking intro to a Jon Bon Jovi video.
That kind of shit.
Like, you're partying with those guys.
You know what I mean?
andrew santino
They wanted to be...
joe rogan
You're in.
andrew santino
Fame was so much more appealing back then.
joe rogan
Yeah, yeah.
Ladies and gentlemen, you know, please welcome Sam Kinnison.
unidentified
Da-da-da-da!
Right.
joe rogan
And he'd raise his arms.
Hey, ladies and gentlemen, hey!
You know, and sit down on the couch.
It's like, you're famous.
andrew santino
Yeah.
joe rogan
That's what people wanted.
They wanted to be the famous guy who did shows, and you did shows.
Like, even Jenny, who was one of my personal favorites, who was, in my opinion, one of the great...
andrew santino
Richard Jennings.
joe rogan
Richard Jennings was a fucking amazing comic.
He hated it, man.
He didn't want to do The Road.
He wanted a sitcom.
He wanted to be a movie star.
He wanted to be Jim Carrey or Tom Cruise or someone on a sitcom.
He wanted to be Seinfeld.
andrew santino
It's funny because I do TV sometimes and you give me shit about it all the fucking time.
But it pales in comparison to the way I feel about stand-up.
But it is something I still love, the performance of it.
But if you said it'd be gun to my face, there's no way I would give up.
I mean, I just couldn't do it.
I mean, my goal, if my ultimate goal, if someone's like, what is the ultimate goal?
Is to tour for as long as I can to crowds that are there to see me.
To me, there is nothing I could do on TV. There's no fucking Quentin Tarantino role I could ever get that would feel as good...
As being in a room with people that fucking paid money to watch you do it, no way.
I would give up the other shit in a heartbeat.
joe rogan
No, of course, but there's nothing wrong with doing the other shit.
If you enjoy doing it, I give you a hard time because it's fun to give you a hard time.
andrew santino
I know.
You love shitting on me about doing that stuff.
Yeah, but look, I got to do Curb Your Enthusiasm with Larry David.
joe rogan
Oh, that's different.
I would never shit on you for that.
andrew santino
That was a pinnacle for my life.
unidentified
That's a different thing.
andrew santino
Yeah, I told them I would have paid them money.
Only a few times have I been so into a thing where I push my agents and go, I'll fucking, I'll lose a lot of money just to have the opportunity to try it.
joe rogan
Yeah, of course.
andrew santino
Like Galifianakis' show Baskets on FX, I used to love that show.
I mean, it's a great show.
I'm not used to, but I even said, I said, tell them I will do anything.
I'll be in the background because I think that show is so fucking good.
Did you ever watch it?
joe rogan
No, I haven't heard of it.
andrew santino
God, it was so...
joe rogan
I just heard of it just now for the first time.
andrew santino
What is it?
It was a show on FX that Galifian X created.
joe rogan
Oh, it's not on anymore?
andrew santino
I don't know if they're still doing it.
I don't know if it's still on.
I'm disconnected right now.
joe rogan
I love Zach, though.
It's just you can't keep up.
There's too many things on.
andrew santino
That's the problem.
I don't know what's on and what's going and what's coming anymore.
joe rogan
They're passing by you in the night.
andrew santino
Working with Larry was one of those moments of making him break.
That's what it really is.
Making that guy laugh to me was like...
joe rogan
Yeah, he's Larry David, man.
andrew santino
He's a wizard.
Yeah.
He's a guy who I can tell...
His comedy was perfect for this and not the stage.
You know how they talk about how he's not a good stand-up?
unidentified
Yeah.
andrew santino
You know why.
Do you know what I mean?
When you meet a comedian and you go, I know why you're not a stand-up, but you're great at this thing.
joe rogan
Yeah.
andrew santino
That's exactly what he is.
He's a genius with this live interactive aspect of acting comedy.
He's so good at that and writing the scenes.
joe rogan
Thank God he found it, man.
andrew santino
Yeah, it's wild.
joe rogan
Thank God he found it.
andrew santino
But I have seen those tapes of him doing old stand-up.
joe rogan
Yeah.
unidentified
Yeah.
joe rogan
Yeah, I've seen some clips.
He, you know, I bet he made the comics laugh.
I bet it was one of those things.
andrew santino
He was a comics comic for sure.
joe rogan
Yeah, I bet if we were in the back of the room, we'd be howling.
Do you know who's on top of his fucking game right now?
David Tell.
andrew santino
Yeah, I mean...
joe rogan
Jesus Christ.
andrew santino
I don't think I've ever...
I rarely see him miss.
joe rogan
Did you see him at the improv last week?
andrew santino
No, I watched him and Ross at the store when they were both in town.
joe rogan
Tony and I did a show at the improv last Wednesday, and Attell did the late show.
God damn, he was good.
andrew santino
Yeah.
joe rogan
God damn, he was good.
He was so funny and so silly.
andrew santino
He's effortless.
Effortless.
joe rogan
And it's so...
It's just...
It's all silly.
andrew santino
Yeah.
joe rogan
Like, it's jokes go into jokes go into jokes.
Right.
He hasn't changed his sensibilities because of all the woke backlash.
It's still balls-out comedy, really well-written stuff, really funny, and just such a good guy, man.
andrew santino
I think he's reminding everybody we're still comedians.
We're just comics.
joe rogan
Most of us realize that.
The ones who've backed off, they're the ones who have a deep...
to the business.
andrew santino
Yeah.
joe rogan
The ones who are like really connected to the business, like they're executive producing sitcoms and they're a part of this and a part of that.
They've backed off the wild shit.
andrew santino
Well, because they know that it's a threat to them.
joe rogan
It's self-policing.
And they'll still talk like that in the green room.
They'll still make you laugh in the green room.
But they're scared.
You know, everyone's scared of getting called out now for jokes, which is just...
I mean, I get that people haven't decided to make this distinction, but there's a giant distinction between someone talking about something because this is their actual feelings on something, and someone saying ridiculous shit that they don't really believe because it's funny.
And when you stop that in any way, as soon as you try to step that for yourself, or if you're trying to get someone else to stop it, what you're really doing is you're enforcing a particular, very narrow band of behavior.
And if you get stuck in that narrow band of behavior, it's real hard to see outside of it.
It's real hard to see that this is ridiculous.
And as a comic, when you see comics getting mad that other comics are touching on certain subjects or using certain language, it's like, oh...
You're missing the whole thing.
You missed the whole thing.
andrew santino
That's a mole.
I feel like that's a mole inside of the operation.
When someone's like, I don't like when he does that stuff.
And you're like, oh no, man.
joe rogan
I can't believe you're still saying bitch.
andrew santino
Yeah.
Yeah.
Do you know the depth of what that word means for people?
Do you know what that does?
joe rogan
That's my favorite.
andrew santino
Do you know what that does?
joe rogan
Please tell me, chubby white guy.
Please tell me.
andrew santino
Well, that's like, there was a dude, there's a guy who had a great tweet.
I don't want to say his name because, you know, I don't know if he wants it out or whatever, but like, he basically had a tweet and he got a lot of backlash from the community because he was like, all these East Side comics that used to shit on the comedy store for a lack of quote-unquote diversity, they're the same people.
And he's an East Side guy.
He goes, as one, I'm saying, these are the same guys that get, you know, that pay no mind to the fact that we're living in a gentrified, used-to-be Mexican neighborhood and our audiences are all fucking white dudes with beards that look the same.
joe rogan
Bah!
andrew santino
And he got a lot of shit, but I was like, yeah, fuck.
And I hit him up, and I was like, yeah, you're right, though.
This old idea that the store used to be, it's just a bro-bro hangout, and it's all there is.
It's like, dude, there's so many different kinds of people on that lineup.
Way more than you see when you go to other shows.
joe rogan
The only people that say that are the people that can't work there.
It's very simple.
andrew santino
Yeah, it's jealousy, yeah.
joe rogan
It's 100% jealousy.
andrew santino
People are mad, yeah.
joe rogan
I mean, there's people that think that maybe there's a style that you see at the comedy store that they don't appreciate.
That's okay, but the styles, it varies so much from Jeslenek to Dahlia to you to Hinchcliffe to Diaz to Owen Smith.
andrew santino
Sklarbrother.
You're talking about people that—this is all over the fucking map.
joe rogan
It's all over the map, yeah.
andrew santino
You know what I mean?
I think that's why I love the tweet.
joe rogan
Laura Beetz or Ally Makovsky.
There's so many different sort of styles of comedy out of that place now.
andrew santino
Right.
joe rogan
You can't say it's all bros.
That's nonsense.
It's just good comics.
andrew santino
That was the old way, which I'm glad he was being...
He was like, no.
These people are just free-thinking, pushing out new, weird, fucked-up, sometimes challenging shit because the store supports it.
That's all it is.
It's like now we finally have a place where it's like...
You could say it there.
joe rogan
There's no freedom in suppressing people's ability to express themselves.
You just create an environment where everybody's scared to be themselves or everybody's scared to take chances.
If you're scared to take chances, look...
If you don't push the boundaries, you don't find out where they are.
You create your own boundaries.
When you're doing material and you're trying to come up with a bit, sometimes a bit in the beginning is highly offensive, but then you turn it into something that everybody accepts and it's great.
This was the real argument for Louis C.K. when Louis C.K. had a recording of his leaked.
And there was a bit where he was talking about these kids were survivors of school shootings.
He's like, you're not interesting just because you push some fat kid in the way.
Like, and you're laughing.
See, he got a lot of shit for that.
And people were saying it like it's cruel.
And other comics said it was hacky.
And there's like, first of all, he hadn't done comedy in 10 months.
Second of all, you know how comedy works.
That was a seed.
andrew santino
He's working it out.
joe rogan
That was not a plant.
He wasn't delivering a fucking origami plant.
unidentified
No.
joe rogan
What's those called?
The little small ones.
andrew santino
What?
joe rogan
They're not origami.
Bonsai.
He wasn't delivering a perfectly trimmed bonsai.
I'm like origami.
unidentified
Yeah.
joe rogan
Perfectly trimmed bonsai tree that they sell on the side of the road.
Yeah.
This was a seed.
andrew santino
Right.
joe rogan
That could have been an incredible bit.
Because it's already kind of funny that these people that are on television all the time are the survivors of a school shooting, and that they might just be survivors.
They don't necessarily have to be interesting.
Now, he didn't, in his defense, have any time to prepare.
He had 10 months of no stand-up, then he just does stand-up, and he gets some laughs off this premise.
That premise in six months could have been a fucking nuclear bomb.
andrew santino
Right.
joe rogan
He would have figured out a way to expose how goofy it is that just because someone survives a massacre, we want to parade them on CNN every couple weeks and ask their opinion about gun control and about various things.
He's right.
Look, someone's going to have a fucking great bit about Greta Thunberg.
It's the same thing.
You've got some 16-year-old kid that seems weird to begin with, and then she's on TV going, how dare you?
And you're like, what is this?
And then you keep seeing her over and over and over again.
Who's putting her on TV over and over and over again?
You fucking people are.
What are you doing?
In a lot of ways, it's kind of the same.
Why is she interesting?
Because she's 16 and dealing with climate change as opposed to him, who's 29, or her, who's 50, or him, who's 82. Like, what are we talking about?
She's got some random person who wants to say how dare you about climate change?
And they're gonna stop going to school until someone does something about it?
They're on strike?
Like, what?
Is this really what's on the news?
andrew santino
It's just a ploy for her to get out of going to school.
She's like, I don't like school.
They're like, you don't have to if you can sail around the world.
I just think that whole thing about they find what works for them categorically because she's a good look, and they're like, push her, push her, push her, push her.
joe rogan
See, that's why when you go back to Louie's bed about the school shootings, yes, it's gross to make fun of someone who survived a school shooting, but that's what he does.
He tells jokes in the moment.
You know that he's saying something that's awful that you're not supposed to say, so you laugh.
It's not how he really feels.
So for you and comics to pretend that that's how he really feels, that's fucking disgusting what you're doing.
andrew santino
Yeah, they know better.
joe rogan
Not only do you know, you're being deceptive, or you really don't understand comedy, in which case you should stop.
Just stop doing it, because you don't understand it.
And you also don't understand the process, or you're at least...
I bet if you asked him...
Like, is that ready for Netflix release?
He'll be like, no!
unidentified
No way.
joe rogan
I haven't done comedy in 10 months.
I was hoping that bit would come into something.
These are notes he's going off of, right?
unidentified
Yeah.
joe rogan
He wrote shit down.
He had some ideas.
andrew santino
Trying it out.
joe rogan
He finally gets on stage to fuck around with it and somebody records it and puts it on YouTube.
andrew santino
Well, he's...
Apparently, I haven't seen him, but from the grapevine, I've heard that he's touring.
unidentified
Murdering.
andrew santino
His new hour is murderous.
joe rogan
Murdering.
Of course he is.
andrew santino
And I'm curious to know what platform or where he's going to go with it, right?
He's got to be independent, I'm sure.
joe rogan
I think he's going to release it on his website.
andrew santino
Right, because people are too afraid.
joe rogan
He's recording very soon.
andrew santino
Oh, he is?
joe rogan
Yeah.
Allegedly.
Maybe I know something.
andrew santino
Oh, yeah?
joe rogan
Look, I want to see it.
I want to see it before he records it.
But listen.
I mean, we could talk about him until you blew in the face.
andrew santino
Right.
joe rogan
And I think, you know, leave the guy alone.
I don't know what happened those nights.
I know he has a very different story than the story that's been depicted in the media, and I know he definitely did some stupid shit you shouldn't do.
andrew santino
Sure.
joe rogan
But he didn't block any doors.
He didn't tell anybody they have to do it.
He didn't try to scare anybody.
He asked if he could jerk off in front of people.
Is it gross?
100%.
He would say so.
He has jokes about it.
Did he apologize?
Some people don't think he apologized enough, but I don't even think we know the whole story.
andrew santino
Well, that's the thing.
We're so in the dark about what really happened.
It's like we have an idea that we think would happen, but no one really knows.
joe rogan
He hit the perfect moment on the wave.
andrew santino
Oh my God.
joe rogan
He hit the perfect moment on the Me Too wave.
andrew santino
That Me Too wave.
joe rogan
Harvey Weinstein was like a fucking hurricane force wind behind his back.
andrew santino
He's out in the North Shore of Hawaii.
He's going to catch one now.
The biggest fucking Me Too wave just swallows him whole.
joe rogan
It would have been a gross thing anywhere else in history.
andrew santino
Sure.
joe rogan
But at that moment, I mean...
andrew santino
Shut it down.
joe rogan
There was a moment where he went on stage at Skankfest, and the audience went crazy.
andrew santino
I saw.
joe rogan
They cheered and went crazy.
And I either retweeted it or liked it, and someone went, Fuck you!
He sexually assaulted women!
Like...
No, he didn't.
No one ever said he did that.
He definitely didn't do that.
He asked if he could jerk off, and he did.
Do you think he shouldn't have done that?
Yes, I agree.
He shouldn't have done that.
But he did that, and then that's it.
That's what he did.
That's what he did.
If you think that's gross, yes, but that's what he did.
There's other allegations that disturb people that maybe someone from his management did something to stifle the career of someone else.
andrew santino
That's fucked up.
joe rogan
If that's true, that is fucked up.
I do not know if that's true.
andrew santino
Here's the biggest problem, again.
None of us know.
I don't know either.
I don't know that that's the truth.
joe rogan
I'd like to find that part out.
I don't know if that was because of him.
I don't know if the management did it without his knowledge.
I don't know if it ever happened at all.
I don't know if it's exaggerated because I know many of the things that were said about him were exaggerated.
Again, this is not exonerating him.
What he did was gross.
He thinks what he did was gross.
But it's like, what do you want?
You want him to never tell jokes again?
He's one of the best comedians of all time.
He acknowledges that what he did was wrong.
Like, at what point in time do we forgive people?
What point in time do we say someone was doing something fucked up and now they've paid this tremendous price emotionally, psychologically?
andrew santino
When do you let him out of jail, basically?
joe rogan
When do you let him out of jail?
andrew santino
What's the time?
joe rogan
I say let him out of jail.
andrew santino
Let him out.
joe rogan
Let him out of jail.
andrew santino
Free Lou.
joe rogan
Free Lou.
It's a strange time for people with accusations and being mean and ganging on people online and bullying and activism and chaos.
There's so much noise.
It's so much of us interacting with each other simultaneously, too.
It's so hard to have peace these days.
andrew santino
Yeah.
On stage.
On stage, that's like the only way I get away from all the bullshit.
Especially because we're embedded in the internet.
That's the hardest part.
joe rogan
It is the hardest part.
andrew santino
Right now, we're doing it.
joe rogan
I was talking to Adam Curry about it yesterday.
We were talking about just outrage.
And he's like, you just really can't be in that all the time.
You can't subject yourself.
Because there's always something to argue about.
You'll never run out of topics.
andrew santino
No, you're fucked.
joe rogan
All you have to do is have a few topics that you like to argue about.
Let's just say you're a person, pro-First Amendment, pro-Second Amendment, pro-choice, pro-gay rights, pro-trans rights, pro-civil rights.
You just take those things that you feel very passionately about and then just put those hashtags online on Twitter and then go look for conversations and go to war.
andrew santino
Right.
joe rogan
That's what you do.
andrew santino
Yeah, you can do it all day.
joe rogan
You can do it all day.
You can go to war about the Second Amendment all day.
You can all day argue with gun nuts and people who hate guns.
You can take both sides.
You can have two different accounts.
You can have one account where you're like some fucking hillbilly who thinks everybody should have 80 guns or you go to jail.
Or you could have the other thing.
We need to trust our government and throw all the guns in a bolting pot and use them to make a statue with a giant penis.
We could literally argue all day long about immigrant rights, about whether or not they should detain them at the border.
You could be involved in that all day long.
I mean, you would never have a moment to sleep.
andrew santino
No.
joe rogan
If you just engaged with everybody who engaged with you, you'd never have a moment to sleep.
andrew santino
People do it.
That's what's crazy.
unidentified
They do do it.
andrew santino
People spend endless amounts of time on it.
That's why I try to check out Twitter.
You know, it's like all those things.
Facebook I deleted.
All I want to use those things for is to promote what I'm doing tour-wise.
Like, hey, come see me.
And also make a couple of fucking fart jokes once in a while.
Like, it's worthless.
That's it.
I want to make some dumb jokes and then be like, come see me live.
I've stopped years ago engaging when people are like, is this how this is?
I'm like, never mind.
I don't want to get into it.
I just don't deal with it anymore.
joe rogan
Well, there's a number of people out there that are bored in their cubicle somewhere trying to get a rise out of you.
andrew santino
Yeah.
joe rogan
People are so bored.
andrew santino
Well, it's also because, you know, it's nice to be engaged.
You know what I think they compare it to?
It's like when they start flirting or dating somebody.
It's the same kind of engagement.
You get excited for the next piece of engagement, right?
joe rogan
Oh, right.
If you said something back then, like, oh, shit, I got him on the hook.
andrew santino
Yeah, trolling has become a new thing.
It's constant engagement.
It's the same kind of feeling you get when you start talking to someone that you're interested in.
You're like, holy fuck, and they're talking to me back?
And you get this tennis match of emotion.
So it becomes this heightened thing in your world now.
It's like a new thing to have.
joe rogan
You're like a big red snapper in clear water.
You're moving towards the Lord.
Holy but the Lord.
He bit a little bit.
Come on, you fuck.
Take a bite, you fuck.
Did you see Oprah fall down?
andrew santino
Yes, and it's honestly...
joe rogan
She's a little old to be falling down.
You loved it?
andrew santino
I loved it.
joe rogan
Wow.
andrew santino
Loved it.
She didn't get hurt.
joe rogan
You like when people get hurt.
andrew santino
She's fine.
She's dead.
She died?
joe rogan
Yes.
andrew santino
All right.
Ding dong.
The witch is dead.
joe rogan
No, she didn't.
andrew santino
She died from the fall?
Yeah, we're fucked.
joe rogan
No, she didn't die.
andrew santino
No, she's fine.
I just think like...
joe rogan
She looks like she got hurt.
andrew santino
It's nice to see billionaires fall.
How about that?
joe rogan
That's weird.
andrew santino
It's nice to see somebody...
No, it humanizes her.
She is such a figure of perfection.
joe rogan
Women should learn.
Those fucking shiny bottom shoes, them bitches are useless.
You can't wear those things.
They're so slippery.
Those really expensive shoes that the gals like would always have the shiny bottoms.
Here she is walking, and I believe she's talking about balance, which is L-O-L. The irony is staggering.
So, flat ground.
unidentified
Oh, she bites the dust.
joe rogan
Let's see how she recovers.
unidentified
She says, new shoes.
joe rogan
Oh, those rude fucks.
They edit it so she hits the ground over and over again.
Well, you know what?
I gotta say, I like how she framed with her elbow and then did a roll.
She absorbed a lot of energy in a roll.
andrew santino
Good technique, Ope.
joe rogan
Not bad.
Watch this.
unidentified
Here we go.
joe rogan
Frame.
A little bit on the left hip.
That shit's probably sore.
But one thing you gotta say about Oprah, she works out a lot and she's got muscles.
She went and ran a marathon recently.
andrew santino
Does she?
I don't know this to be true.
joe rogan
I think she did a marathon in six hours.
Which is not the best time, but she still ran 26 fucking miles in a day.
andrew santino
Don't you think it's nice to see people fall?
It's humbling to watch someone fall?
I just think that's...
unidentified
Four and a half hours.
joe rogan
Did she really?
unidentified
Yeah.
joe rogan
That's an hour faster than Burt Kreischer.
unidentified
Burt, you fat fuck.
jamie vernon
That's about as fast as I could do it.
joe rogan
Really?
She didn't really run it, ran it four and a half hours?
429. How fast is that?
Like a mile?
jamie vernon
1017. That's really good.
joe rogan
That's a good clip.
andrew santino
Wait a minute.
She's doing...
joe rogan
Better than you, bitch.
andrew santino
No way.
joe rogan
That's right.
Imagine you and Oprah in a race.
andrew santino
She's doing...
joe rogan
And she dusts you.
andrew santino
10 minute miles?
joe rogan
Yes.
26 of them, bitch.
andrew santino
So that's what?
6 miles an hour about?
unidentified
Woo!
andrew santino
Yeah?
Let me tell you something.
jamie vernon
Are you scared?
joe rogan
You scared?
andrew santino
Let me tell you something.
joe rogan
You feel a little nervous right now.
jamie vernon
That was in 1994, though.
andrew santino
That was in 94!
unidentified
No!
jamie vernon
She was 4 years old.
joe rogan
Oh no, she ran one recently though.
jamie vernon
I just typed an open marathon time.
joe rogan
That's very good though, when she was 40. She was probably on speed back then.
And steroids.
andrew santino
Quaalude, she's hopped up.
It's humbling to watch someone so beloved take a little stupid spill.
It's just kind of like, yeah, that's the balance of the universe.
She's perfect to everybody.
It's nice to watch perfect people fall a little bit.
That's fun.
I understand.
She's a part of the people now.
Especially if she's like, new shoes, you know how this goes.
It's fun, you know?
joe rogan
Yeah.
Well, it's slippery shoes, man.
andrew santino
That's not what it was.
joe rogan
Yes, it is.
andrew santino
She's getting older.
That was the I'm getting older fall.
Watch it again.
That was like, I lost my balance from I'm just getting older.
joe rogan
Yeah, but it's those stupid shoes, man.
jamie vernon
I can't find a recent one.
andrew santino
There you go.
She didn't run one anytime soon.
jamie vernon
The story has gone on around recently, but it was about her 25 years ago when she did it.
I want to stop missing something.
joe rogan
I swore there was one that they were referencing a year before, like she ran it for a late birthday.
She ran one of the marathons for her 50-somethingth birthday.
It would be her 60th.
She's in her 60s, right?
I feel like her 60th birthday or something like that.
andrew santino
I would never run a marathon, though.
Never.
You'll never catch me.
joe rogan
Someone's scared.
andrew santino
No, I run almost every day, but I'm never going to run a marathon.
unidentified
Why?
andrew santino
Because I don't need to.
It's an insane amount of distance.
joe rogan
See how defensive he is?
Out of nowhere.
Like someone's grilling.
I don't need to.
andrew santino
How about this?
jamie vernon
How about this?
joe rogan
That's right.
Good point.
andrew santino
How about this?
joe rogan
Cam Haynes runs one a day.
andrew santino
Yeah, Cam.
Come on.
joe rogan
It does.
andrew santino
I know, but it's like, enough.
We get it.
joe rogan
No, you don't get it.
andrew santino
That's too much.
joe rogan
You don't get it.
andrew santino
It's too much.
His knees are going to fucking fall off his body.
joe rogan
They're great right now.
andrew santino
They're going to fall off.
joe rogan
He's older than you.
He looks good.
andrew santino
Send me your knees, Cam.
Send me your cartilage, or your lack thereof.
joe rogan
I wonder if you've got a lot, the inside of your knees gets accustomed to it.
andrew santino
Like it gets a callus in there?
joe rogan
Well, no.
Like it strengthens.
andrew santino
No.
joe rogan
Is that possible?
andrew santino
Cartilage wears away at some point.
It's just not made to do that that much.
joe rogan
That's true.
andrew santino
Look it up, baby.
Cartilage is gone.
joe rogan
How do those fucking hundred marathon people, those dudes who run those ultra marathons, how do they do it year after year after year?
andrew santino
Because they can't do it their whole life.
You do it for a chunk of time until your knees just get shot.
joe rogan
But imagine if you're just a bitch, it gets to the point where your knees are shot.
But if you keep going, you push through, your knees wind up fixing themselves.
andrew santino
Your legs just break?
joe rogan
No, your legs callous over.
andrew santino
Well, it's like there's a campaign for a great cyclist called Shut Up Legs.
If you look up Shut Up Legs, it's like a whole thing about him.
joe rogan
What does it say?
People worry about running ruins knees, but a new study finds the activity may in fact benefit the joint, changing the biomechanical environment inside the knee in ways that could keep it working smoothly.
andrew santino
Maybe.
joe rogan
Carrying less weight is known to reduce risk for knee arthritis.
andrew santino
Come on.
joe rogan
Running may be good for your knees.
That's the New York Times, you dummy.
You don't know jack shit.
Click on that.
andrew santino
The failing New York Times?
joe rogan
Shut your mouth.
andrew santino
The failing New York Times?
joe rogan
What are you, Trump?
Lion Ted, Crazy Hillary.
andrew santino
Who wrote it?
joe rogan
Oh no, it's Lion Hillary, Crazy Ted.
Many people worrying about running these new studies.
My decades of running.
Okay, but there's little evidence to support the idea and a growing body of research suggests reverse.
Oh, this is clickbait.
New York Times got us.
Epidemiological studies of long-term runners show that they generally are less likely to develop osteoarthritis in the knees than people of the same age who do not run.
Some scientists have speculated that running may protect knees because it is often associated with relatively low body mass.
Carrying less weight is known to reduce the risk of knee arthritis.
jamie vernon
It's saying there's little evidence that it ruins your knees.
andrew santino
Yeah, it's saying little evidence that it ruins your knees, but it also says some scientists have speculated running.
So there's no evidence and proof.
They're just saying this is also a possibility.
joe rogan
Go back up to where it was.
Oh, the widespread argument generally follows the lines that running will slowly wear away the cartilage that cushions the bones and the joints and cause arthritis, but there's little evidence to support the idea.
That makes sense.
Okay, okay.
So what I was saying, I was incorrect.
I just tried to jump paragraphs.
I missed the context of it.
Well, that makes sense.
Look, these fucking guys that I know, this is what I'm saying.
These guys that I know that run all the time, they have good knees, and you would think they didn't.
These volunteers...
Stop, stop.
Go back.
These volunteers visited a clinic where they had blood drawn from an arm.
The researchers also siphoned off a small amount of synovial fluid, a lubricating fluid that reduces friction inside joints from the right knee.
Healthy knees contain only...
What is that word?
Soupcon?
Of the stuff?
I don't even know what that word is.
Arthritic or otherwise, unhealthy knees tend to contain much more.
Interesting.
andrew santino
Alright, well my knees are going to be good.
I just, you know, this is all speculative too.
There's not enough research supporting it too, so who knows?
joe rogan
Well, it makes sense though that your muscles would be stronger and then that would probably support your knee better than a person who doesn't exercise.
unidentified
I don't know.
andrew santino
But that cartilage wears out either way.
Anybody you know that's a great athlete, they always say that the knee cartilage wears from so much wear.
Especially like jumping a lot.
joe rogan
Yeah, but that's different.
Like that's explosive plyometric type movements.
It's not running.
Like running is just steady running.
andrew santino
Yeah, but it also depends on what you're running on too.
joe rogan
But there's a difference to running.
It's like going left, going right, and cutting and exploding to the left.
You know, like a move that you would do on the court.
Right.
And then if you're running on a trail where it's got some dirt, you get a little cushion.
andrew santino
Yeah, there's some absorption there.
jamie vernon
That was from 2017. This one is more updated off of a new myth toppling new study that says that middle-aged runners do actually rebuild the health of their knees.
joe rogan
See, what did I tell you, Cheeto?
I had an idea.
andrew santino
We'll see.
joe rogan
A myth toppling new study of novice middle-aged runners suggests the answer is a qualified...
What is the question again?
Scroll up.
Could it be that marathon training and racing are actually good for our knees?
andrew santino
Maybe.
This is another one of these things.
joe rogan
A myth-toppling new study, you son of a bitch, of novice middle-aged runners suggests the answer is a qualified yes.
The study finds that taking up distance running rebuilds the health of certain essential components of middle-aged knees, even if the joint starts off somewhat tattered and worn.
What'd I tell you, bitch?
andrew santino
Show me the studies.
joe rogan
But the results Also contain a caution.
Marathon mileage could erode one vulnerable area within the knee, the study finds, if runners are not careful.
andrew santino
But we won't want to talk about that because that's not what the article's about.
joe rogan
But what is that vulnerable part?
andrew santino
That's what I'm saying.
That's what they do, though.
They bury it.
joe rogan
Stop complaining like a Chicago person.
Scroll down.
unidentified
I have the study.
jamie vernon
I was going to check that.
joe rogan
But what does it say?
There was one area it said.
jamie vernon
That's what I was going to check in the study.
joe rogan
Well, just scroll down, and I'm sure it'll tell us.
jamie vernon
I like going on other studies down here.
Mm-hmm.
joe rogan
But what is it saying, what part of the knee?
Focus on running activity, harms knees, do-do-do, scroll down.
The question is...
Is that the end of it?
jamie vernon
No.
joe rogan
Why do they do that when they break things up?
andrew santino
I can't stand that shit.
joe rogan
You have one free article remaining.
andrew santino
Subscribe to the Times.
joe rogan
What is the problem with the injury?
Okay, okay.
Find the one.
I would imagine cartilage is the big issue.
And meniscus.
When meniscus goes, if it gets blown out.
andrew santino
Then you're done.
joe rogan
Yeah, like if you twist your knee and you cut your meniscus.
andrew santino
Have you run a marathon?
joe rogan
No.
andrew santino
See, you're giving me shit about it.
You wouldn't do it either.
I wouldn't do a half either.
I'm not doing it.
I don't want to run with all those people.
jamie vernon
Very specific spot.
It says the improvement to the damaged subchondrial bone of the tibial and femoral condyl eyes.
andrew santino
Makes perfect sense.
jamie vernon
Following the marathon in Novus Runners.
And patella cartilage.
joe rogan
That's the bad part.
That's what it does bad.
jamie vernon
Worsening of the patella cartilage.
joe rogan
That makes sense.
andrew santino
It breaks it down.
joe rogan
Yeah, but can you fix that yet?
andrew santino
I mean, they'll give you those...
jamie vernon
Stem cells?
andrew santino
Yeah, stem cells.
joe rogan
Well, I know that they do microfractures and shit.
Like, they do all kinds of different things to people to try to heal the cartilage in their knees.
andrew santino
Right.
joe rogan
Yeah.
andrew santino
I just realized how privileged running is.
I was like, I just get to run sometimes during the day.
joe rogan
Yeah, just so you don't get so fat from eating all the food you want.
That's what's crazy.
So much privilege.
Our problem in America is eating too much food.
andrew santino
Yeah, we have way too much access.
We're spoiled with it.
Yeah, but I just realized that at the time of my day I get to go, I can run to the gym and then run home, and that's like a nice day I get to have.
unidentified
Nice.
andrew santino
Lucky dude, man.
No, I wouldn't run a marathon because I don't like the people that do.
That's genuinely it.
You see all the people that get the thing, the culture.
I don't want to be a part of it.
No thanks.
joe rogan
You don't have to be, man.
You could be a lone wolf.
andrew santino
Ringing the fucking bells and taking the...
I don't want to do any of that stuff.
joe rogan
You could put Tibetan monk chants on your phone and just listen to that as you run.
Diggory-doo music.
andrew santino
I would do that shit.
unidentified
And then my heart's like...
joe rogan
Just keep that thing going for four hours.
andrew santino
I would go run in the middle of nowhere before I'd ever run in an actual marathon plan thing.
joe rogan
Oh, okay.
So you would run the 26 miles, like maybe you'd run a track.
andrew santino
No, it can't be on a track.
When I first moved to LA, I tried running at UCLA because my buddy got me a pass to go work out at their gym, and I did a track.
You bored?
Miserable.
joe rogan
Let me ask you this.
If you had a track, like a standard university track, how many feet is that?
What is that, a quarter mile?
andrew santino
Each lap is a quarter mile.
joe rogan
How many times do you think you can go around?
Do you think you can go around a hundred times?
andrew santino
No.
Are you paying me?
joe rogan
Yeah, yeah, yeah.
andrew santino
I could do it as many times as you want to pay me.
joe rogan
What if you had a bet?
What if, like, you and Jamie, you have to bet?
andrew santino
Jamie doesn't run.
jamie vernon
I still need this three-point shootout before we get into this race.
andrew santino
Yeah, let's do the three-point shootout.
joe rogan
You can do that, too.
andrew santino
And then we need to do a race.
joe rogan
You can do that, too.
andrew santino
You don't run, do you?
jamie vernon
Yeah.
joe rogan
Do you?
Do people do that, though?
It seems like that would be, like, a great bet.
If these ultra-marathon runners really want to put their money where their mouth is.
They get together on a track.
andrew santino
See how long they could go?
joe rogan
Let's see who goes first.
andrew santino
Oh, that's fucked.
That's killer, dude.
They would never stop.
They would never stop.
joe rogan
You could stop to pee.
Or shit.
That's it.
andrew santino
What's the math?
Because I'm dumb.
What's 26 times 4?
joe rogan
Well, if it's a quarter of a mile, that means four of them are a mile.
So it'd be...
104. You'd be pretty close to 100 miles.
andrew santino
You'd have to run 104 times to run a marathon on a track.
Yes.
104 laps.
joe rogan
Yeah.
andrew santino
So to answer your question, can I run 100 laps on a track?
Fuck no.
joe rogan
You're closing in on a marathon around 100 times.
andrew santino
Yeah, well, 104 times is a marathon.
No way.
No fucking way.
unidentified
Oh.
joe rogan
Imagine you get into like seven.
andrew santino
Seven.
You hit seven and you're like, alright, I think I did it.
I don't want to loop around this thing.
Look at this football field again.
Miserable.
That's you miserable.
joe rogan
I haven't even hit eight yet.
andrew santino
Yeah, you're not even close.
It's going to take another two and a half minutes for you to get to eight.
joe rogan
And then you get there.
Eight.
andrew santino
Fuck that.
joe rogan
I got 92 to go.
andrew santino
Can you run stoned?
joe rogan
Oh, yes, I can.
andrew santino
You like running stoned?
joe rogan
I love it.
andrew santino
I can't do it.
joe rogan
Why not?
unidentified
You can do it.
joe rogan
I'll do it with you.
I'll show you you can do it.
andrew santino
No, because I'll get high with you and I want to hang out and play pool or something.
unidentified
Yeah, you run high.
joe rogan
It's great.
andrew santino
See, I can do certain exercises high.
joe rogan
What can you do?
andrew santino
Stretching, yoga type of shit.
Yeah, I can do that stoned out of my mind.
That's fun.
I just can't run because running to me is like I need to be in this mood that I get in.
When I get in this little mood and then I start to run, it's like a zone that I get into.
When I'm high, I'll fall right out of it.
And I'll start thinking about way other shit.
joe rogan
People who surf, they say that's the move.
Surfing high.
andrew santino
I like snowboarding high.
That's very fun.
I like riding on a mountain stoned.
I can't believe you don't like skiing.
It's so weird that you don't like going down a mountain.
How do you not like it?
joe rogan
Because I do so many things that are already thrilling.
I don't need this other stupid thrilling thing that might ruin my knees.
andrew santino
That doesn't make sense.
That's like saying I don't want to...
joe rogan
Dude, I wrecked this last time because some lady slid into the trail in front of me and I almost took her out.
And I have a small fracture in my shin bone.
andrew santino
Oh, you hit her?
joe rogan
No, I hit the ground.
andrew santino
Oh, you smashed the ground.
joe rogan
Dude, I smashed hard.
andrew santino
That's what it is.
joe rogan
I was trying to go around this lady.
She's a noob, and she was on this hill, and she's like, oops, sorry, oops, sorry, and just slid right into the trail, and there was people over here and people over here, and I'm like, I could plow into this lady.
I gotta go down.
And I tried to go around her and my legs went out from under me.
I hit my head hard, like really bad in the back of my head.
Yeah, yeah, yeah.
Still got my bell rung.
But I fucked my knee up.
And then the next day I'm in yoga.
And when I'm bending down real low, I'm like, ooh, this doesn't feel good.
It felt weird.
It felt like something's wrong.
And then I got an MRI on it, and there's a small fracture.
It's called an insufficiency fracture.
It's actually right where I had meniscus cut out of that knee, too.
So the bones actually bang into each other because there's no meniscus there, and there's a crack in the bone.
andrew santino
On your shin?
joe rogan
Yeah, there's a crack in my shin bone.
It's not a big one.
It's a small area.
It's really not that big a deal.
And it was two months ago, and right now I don't even feel it anymore.
andrew santino
What do they have to do for it?
What can they do for it?
Nothing.
joe rogan
I got some stem cells shot into that and some PRP, and I just took it easy.
I didn't do anything pounding.
andrew santino
PRP is blood.
joe rogan
Platelet-rich plasma.
andrew santino
Right, so they spin your blood, right?
And they put it back in?
joe rogan
Yep.
andrew santino
I'm fascinated by that shit.
joe rogan
It's good stuff, yeah.
There's so many different methods now to accelerate healing, to accentuate healing.
That's a good one.
Exosomes is what they used.
I've used that on a bunch of different things, on knees and shoulders and shit.
Stuff's great.
andrew santino
For the average Joe?
What does that cost somebody?
joe rogan
I don't know.
andrew santino
See, I wonder.
joe rogan
It's not cheap.
andrew santino
Normal people can't do it.
joe rogan
Well, it should be like a normal therapy.
It should be something that you go to the doctor and your insurance covers it, and they do that to enhance healing.
See, that makes a big impact.
I've sent many people to get it.
My friend and his wife had a problem with her hip.
And they were going to operate on her labrum, her hip labrum.
So they shot some exosomes in there.
And then when they went to do a follow-up examination, the issue was gone.
Like four months later, the issue was gone.
andrew santino
It just wasn't there.
joe rogan
It wasn't healing itself, man.
It was getting worse.
They had one exosome shot into this lady's labrum.
And then next thing you know, four months later, when they go to look at it, they're like, it looks great.
She's like, I don't feel any pain anymore.
It stopped hurting her.
It healed up.
It's not everything.
It's not everything.
There's a lot of shit they can't fix.
There's like, when ligaments blow out, you gotta get it repaired.
You gotta get it surgically repaired.
There's certain things that become, you know, injured where exosomes or, you know, there's stuff called Wharton's jelly, which is this new advanced stuff, or mesenchymal stem cells, all these different versions of stem cell therapy that they use.
Some of them use bone marrow.
They go into your bone marrow, extract Stem cells from that and use that for different injuries.
andrew santino
And re-inject it in different areas of your body?
joe rogan
Yeah, they do some sort of a treatment to it to really accentuate the stem cells or activate them or whatever the fuck they do.
Some of them do it with fat.
They suck your fat out so it's a nice little break fat ass.
Get in there and get some lipo and then turn your lipo into some stem cells and fix all your joints.
I don't know.
There's not enough understanding of what's the best way to do these things.
I'm really lucky that I have a really good doctor that kind of like is very honest and very, I wouldn't say skeptical or cynical, but he's very pragmatic and very honest about the potential both ways, whether it could do nothing or it could wind up being a waste of time or it might actually work.
Like, there's not enough information on some of this stuff.
andrew santino
So you're experimenting.
joe rogan
Yes, I'm a fucking science project.
andrew santino
You're the lab rat.
Yeah, but you love that shit.
unidentified
It works.
andrew santino
I'm the polar opposite.
I'm like, figure it out on Joe, then give it to me.
joe rogan
Come see me.
andrew santino
See if it breaks on me, then I'll do it.
I don't want to be the first.
I don't want to be the first.
joe rogan
But it's not the first.
There's been thousands and thousands of patients.
andrew santino
It still seems young to me.
joe rogan
No, no.
And then some people do have peer-reviewed studies on the benefits of some of these things.
Particularly people with Dr. Neil Reardon has treated people with certain neurological issues.
They've helped them with stem cells.
andrew santino
Like CTE type of shit?
unidentified
Yep.
joe rogan
Stem cells literally injected straight into your fucking head and stem cells injected intravenously for some certain issues that people have.
andrew santino
To try to fix your fucking brain.
joe rogan
Aubrey de Grey, who's a life extension specialist, was on my podcast last week.
andrew santino
Yeah.
joe rogan
And he thinks that that's the future of regenerative medicine, is that these advancements in stem cell therapy and medical technologies, that they're eventually going to hit some point where they can sort of treat aging like it's a disease.
Instead of like it's an inevitability, treating it like it's a disease and actually reverse the process.
andrew santino
Holy fuck.
joe rogan
Holy fuck, bro.
andrew santino
No thanks.
joe rogan
You're going to look like you're 12 years old.
You're going to go so hard into it.
andrew santino
I looked 30 when I was 12. You're going to fuck it up.
joe rogan
You're going to go so far, you're going to turn into a little kid, and your wife's going to go, I missed the old Santino.
But I got so much energy!
andrew santino
And I can play Little Week!
joe rogan
And I'll fuck you all day!
andrew santino
I'm crazy!
I'm going to hang out with my friends, and then I'm going to fuck you 13 times.
joe rogan
Imagine if we fuck up, and you do stem cell therapy, but it goes too far, and you're like Benjamin Buttons.
unidentified
It goes the other way.
andrew santino
We all look like kids.
joe rogan
You go back to a kid.
You fuck up.
Imagine if they fucked it up.
Imagine if they go, okay, we've never seen this before, Andrew.
How tall are you?
How tall are you, like 6'2"?
andrew santino
6'1", and some change.
joe rogan
6'1", like, you're 5'11".
Like, what?
unidentified
And you look like you're 14. What?
andrew santino
What?
joe rogan
What are you saying?
I don't think there's anything to worry about because I think at the very least, the worst thing is you'll get to go 14, 15, 16, 17, 18, 19 again.
You'll get to do it all over again.
It's like you're a 14-year-old with all the knowledge, and I don't think you're going to get any younger.
You're like, what do you mean you don't think?
andrew santino
Well, we don't know yet.
We're not sure.
joe rogan
And then you come back in four months later and you're smaller still.
andrew santino
I'm nine.
joe rogan
Now you're nine years old.
You're losing like a year every six months.
andrew santino
I'm nine.
I'm holding in my poop.
My anxiety is at a high.
unidentified
I'm nine.
Can you imagine?
joe rogan
If they can reverse the aging process, what if they fuck it up and turn you into a baby?
And you got all this money, and you're signing over your will when you're two, and your family's like, he can't understand what he's signing.
unidentified
No, no, no.
I'm two, but I'm 50. You look like you're two.
joe rogan
You got the pen and everything.
You're ready to write shit down.
andrew santino
Mr. Baby.
joe rogan
Mr. Baby?
The family's like, there's no fucking way.
You cannot let him sign this.
He's two.
andrew santino
He's like, no, but his mental capacity is not.
joe rogan
He's like, I'm 52 years old!
I'm not two!
andrew santino
But he can't talk and his arms are all flailing around.
joe rogan
He's like doing this, like a baby.
You have to sign everything off by the time you can't talk anymore.
Because it's going to get to a point in time we're just going to make goo-goo noises.
Like trapped.
A 55-year-old man trapped in the head of a baby.
andrew santino
Do you die then?
joe rogan
Yeah, you just crawl right back at your mom's pussy.
That's what you do.
andrew santino
Oh, so she's got to be around.
joe rogan
She's got to be around.
andrew santino
But is she a baby too?
How's this work?
joe rogan
How are they going to just put her on the same program?
unidentified
Bring her back to the time she's 20. Okay, great.
joe rogan
And then you climb right back in.
jamie vernon
What if it was a reverse button?
You said, like, use it at the right time.
By the time you're 80, then you go back.
joe rogan
Get down to the time you're 6 and then hit it again?
jamie vernon
Yeah.
joe rogan
Yeah.
jamie vernon
Do it once.
joe rogan
Go back to...
andrew santino
Just live forever?
I don't want to live...
jamie vernon
No, not forever, but just double.
andrew santino
Instead of going to max 80. But then you'd go, I want to do it one more time.
joe rogan
Imagine being 10 years old today.
If you just had to go back to school at 10, and kids would be trying to bully you and say stupid shit.
Do you imagine what you would do to those kids?
andrew santino
Murder.
joe rogan
Well, I wouldn't beat him up, but just talking to them, how you could mind-fucking 10-year-old who was trying to be mean to you.
I go, Bobby, are you trying to be mean to me, Bobby?
andrew santino
Yeah.
joe rogan
What's the matter, Bobby?
andrew santino
I know about your father's addiction and the fact that your mom was with the neighbor.
Wait, what?
unidentified
Oh!
andrew santino
There's a great scene.
There's a phenomenal scene in a show called Pen15.
These girls are like my age, but they play teenagers on the show.
unidentified
What?
andrew santino
It's great.
It's really funny, but there's a funny scene when she gets pep-talked into talking shit during a fight.
And she's like, her friend is like, call him an aardvark dick.
And she's like, okay, what else?
And she's like, just use any ammunition you have against him, right?
And he's bullying the girl, and she's like, whatever, aardvark dick!
And everyone's laughing, and then she goes, yeah, and that's why your dad died!
And everyone's like, oh, shit.
That's mean, dude.
It's such a good scene.
And she thinks she's like fucking, like everyone's cheering her on, and then she says his dad died and starts crying.
Yeah, if you had the intellectual capacity to just shut down, I mean, you'd emotionally break them.
unidentified
You'd be so bored, too.
andrew santino
Oh, you'd break them.
joe rogan
Like when I'm around little girls, like my daughter and her friends, and they're all like talking about shit.
Like sometimes they have a birthday party, and so there's like 10, 12 kids at the house, and they're all talking shit to each other.
andrew santino
Right.
joe rogan
And you get to just hover and listen.
It's like the thing, and they're talking about some boy at school who's a loser.
andrew santino
It's always a boy.
Yeah, it's always some dork.
He eats his boogers.
joe rogan
And he's always trying to be funny.
He's so mean.
andrew santino
And one of them really like, how old is she again?
joe rogan
Eleven.
andrew santino
Yeah, that's the age when the boys are starting to show the signs of being like...
joe rogan
We're all getting hormones.
andrew santino
Yeah.
joe rogan
The boys are knocking on the door.
Hey, trains are coming.
andrew santino
Boys are pushing a lot.
unidentified
Yeah.
joe rogan
This is the government.
We're just going to let you know that the neighborhood is going to be changing radically over the next couple of years.
We just suggest you be careful.
andrew santino
Things are moving in.
joe rogan
With your newfound powers.
Yeah.
Boners.
Boners are coming.
andrew santino
God, boners are coming.
joe rogan
Boners are on the way.
andrew santino
The flight of the boners.
joe rogan
Have you prepared for your boner?
Meanwhile, no one even tells you what's going on, and all of a sudden you've got a hard-on.
Like, what is happening?
andrew santino
That day on the bus, when you get a boner on the bus, holy shit, does it fuck your day up.
joe rogan
My friend John Dudley calls them bumpy road boners.
andrew santino
Yeah, bumpy boners.
joe rogan
Because there's something about when you're on a car that's bouncing around, somehow or another dudes get boners sometimes.
andrew santino
You know what it is?
It's probably the pressure on your prostate.
It's activating your dick to get fucked.
And also, you're on the way home and you might catch a glimpse of Natalie, who's got the tits already, who's too young.
You start to get hard as shit.
You miss your stop.
joe rogan
There's always that one girl who's 13 with giant double Ds.
andrew santino
That was Natalie.
What the hell?
She was stacked when we were kids.
joe rogan
What happens there?
andrew santino
I used to miss a bus stop, seriously, sometimes.
I'd miss a stop if I had a heart on, and I was afraid to get off the bus with a boner, even though you'd tuck it up.
You'd tuck it up in your pants, and I was always afraid, so I'd miss a stop or two sometimes if I got a heart on the way home.
joe rogan
Wow.
andrew santino
I'd be so nervous.
joe rogan
I'd rather walk home.
andrew santino
Fuck that.
How'd you go flaccid?
joe rogan
Do you talk yourself out of it?
andrew santino
I'd have a friend slap me, and I'd start fighting with a friend.
If you start fighting with another dude friend, your dick goes right into your body.
joe rogan
Or it doesn't.
andrew santino
Well, then you got a whole other thing going on.
joe rogan
Then you got a new thing.
andrew santino
Yeah.
joe rogan
Like, wow.
Now I got another thing to be confused about.
andrew santino
I got a new thing now.
joe rogan
Yeah, I mean, imagine if you had to go through that all again, though, and didn't know anything.
Like, that's...
The torture of seeing...
I mean, I only understand boys, because I've never been a girl.
But the going...
Through being 10, 11, 12, going through school, all the social things, not knowing shit, and you're a boy.
It's so confusing.
andrew santino
It sucks.
joe rogan
Once you finally become a man and you don't have to do that anymore, you can just be at peace in your own skin.
It's like, oh, imagine going through all that stuff again.
andrew santino
No.
Hiding jerking off, too.
Like you're like a ninja.
joe rogan
They don't know what you're doing in the bathroom for 20 minutes with a magazine.
andrew santino
You're a little ninja.
You're a jerk-off ninja.
Now I kind of hope my neighbors see me.
It's kind of part of the allure.
I jerk off in my living room sometimes.
I'm just hoping they walk by, walking their dog.
Wave hi.
joe rogan
If they see you jerking off in your house, I think you can get in real big trouble.
I think a guy got in trouble jerking off in his house with the windows open.
andrew santino
Shut up.
You're private.
It's property.
joe rogan
No, no, no.
I think because you could see into this guy's house and he was beaten off, They came and got him.
andrew santino
Why?
Because there was kids or something like that?
joe rogan
I don't remember what the story was, but it was a big deal.
Where people were like, hey, hey, hey, the guy is just jerking off inside his own house.
Like, what is the big goddamn deal?
andrew santino
Yeah, I don't care.
joe rogan
They had the door open or the window open or something like that.
andrew santino
The front door is wide open.
joe rogan
You tell me there's not a guy who's out there jerking off at the front door wide open.
andrew santino
For sure.
Just letting in the breeze.
joe rogan
Of course there is.
andrew santino
Yeah.
joe rogan
I bet people go to hotels, and then they open up the door, and they stuff a wedge on the door and start fucking.
And they let everybody walk by and watch.
andrew santino
Yeah, leave the door open.
That's fun.
Vegas!
joe rogan
Especially before cell phones.
All these fucking goddamn tattletale cell phones.
And the dirty cameras.
Back then, people just...
I bet that was a common thing.
andrew santino
Just fucking with the door open?
joe rogan
Yeah, like Hell's Angels.
They all took over a hotel somewhere.
andrew santino
Well, those guys.
joe rogan
They fucked with that door wide open.
andrew santino
Yeah, they fucked in the street.
I'm sure they fucked at the bar.
joe rogan
On bikes.
andrew santino
That voyeuristic thing never was like a thing for me.
I know some people like fucking in public because they think it's hot to maybe get caught.
Never, never got me.
I was always like, why?
I don't fucking...
Why do I want to know that someone's watching me?
That's creepy to me.
joe rogan
If you get arrested, you get...
Weird charges too.
Like if you fuck someone in public in some places, they'll hit you with like a sex offender charge.
andrew santino
Yeah, because it's exposure.
Dude, I had to fight that in college.
I had urinating in public.
I had to fight a public exposure charge.
joe rogan
Yeah, that's a real problem because that's a different goddamn thing that every man understands.
And that's a little game they're playing.
That's a dirty game.
You caught a guy taking a leak and you're saying that's public exposure.
Look, he shouldn't have been taking a leak outside maybe, but everybody's done it.
unidentified
So stop.
andrew santino
I had to piss.
joe rogan
Yeah, when guys have to piss and there's no one around, they piss in alleys.
andrew santino
Anywhere.
joe rogan
And we've been doing that since the beginning of time.
andrew santino
Right.
joe rogan
So for some fucking guy to pretend that that's just like robbing a house or trying to kidnap a kid.
andrew santino
Right.
joe rogan
Like, that's not a sex offender.
andrew santino
No.
joe rogan
That's a guy who had to pee.
andrew santino
Yeah, but I had to be in a room in one of those rooms with people that did expose themselves.
And I was like, nothing like these dudes, man.
I'm nothing like these fucking guys.
I was pissing outside near a bar walking home.
joe rogan
They'd be happy if you pissed your pants.
andrew santino
I should have.
joe rogan
If you pissed your pants, they can't say shit.
andrew santino
Right, I know.
It's not illegal.
joe rogan
You pissed your pants in public, though.
Yeah, but I have my pants on.
andrew santino
Yeah, but still.
But still.
jamie vernon
Have you seen these in Europe?
They've talked about bringing them some places in America, I think, but they have not.
joe rogan
You stand in there and jerk off?
jamie vernon
No, they have open urinals just like in the middle of the street.
joe rogan
Oh, there's dudes jerking off in there for sure.
jamie vernon
Like where people get drunk.
joe rogan
I bet that smells like fish.
andrew santino
Someone's pooped in one of those for sure.
unidentified
Look at that.
andrew santino
Faced the wrong way.
joe rogan
Open air urinals cause uproar in Paris.
What would they rather have?
People just piss?
Look at that guy.
He's got his hog out.
andrew santino
Here's the difference though.
Otherwise they're asking all these coffee shops, can I use the bathroom?
And people are like, no bathroom, no bathroom.
Well let him go pee then in the thing.
joe rogan
I feel like those would fill up quick.
andrew santino
San Francisco.
San Francisco has these.
joe rogan
Do they?
andrew santino
But they're enclosed.
joe rogan
Dude, San Francisco, they've ruined that place.
andrew santino
They're enclosed.
joe rogan
They've fucked up.
They've fucked up.
They've ruined that place by allowing people to do shit in the streets and not do anything.
I don't know what you can do about it, but they should have taken steps to make sure it never got this bad.
andrew santino
Meanwhile, it's the highest concentration of billionaires on Earth, I think that's what someone said to me.
joe rogan
But they don't live right there.
andrew santino
That's the problem.
joe rogan
They work right there.
andrew santino
No, no, no.
joe rogan
They work close.
andrew santino
It's the highest concentration of billionaires that live in that area.
joe rogan
Yes.
andrew santino
Yeah, yeah, yeah.
joe rogan
They live in like Atherton.
Atherton is the big spot out there.
andrew santino
What's in the center of the city?
Not Russian Hill.
No, that's not what it's called.
joe rogan
Mission Hill?
andrew santino
Elephant something?
joe rogan
I don't know.
andrew santino
If you look it up, but the driver was telling me when we were there, he was like, no, man, more billionaires live in this quarter-mile radius than anywhere in the world.
joe rogan
This is Marin County.
That's a lot of really rich people, too, right?
andrew santino
Yeah, but this is in the city, in the actual city of San Francisco.
joe rogan
It's just the poo everywhere.
andrew santino
Yeah, lots of poo.
unidentified
Pfft.
joe rogan
I've seen so many people that take pictures of people pooing there.
andrew santino
That happens in LA too.
I was on Fairfax and I saw a woman pooping at a bus stop.
unidentified
Yeah.
andrew santino
Did I take a photo?
I did.
I did.
joe rogan
So fucking sad.
andrew santino
Yeah, there's nothing you can do about it.
San Francisco, they're fucking, they're drowning.
joe rogan
It's just so far gone.
unidentified
Yeah.
joe rogan
The city is just filled with tents, and it's so crazy.
andrew santino
I know.
They just hand it back over to the homeless.
joe rogan
I remember what, that's the human poo map?
jamie vernon
Yeah, it's just full.
joe rogan
Oh my god, it's poo.
andrew santino
Where's the most poo?
joe rogan
Is that really the whole poo map?
That's where they found poo?
jamie vernon
Yeah.
andrew santino
Look at that, though, dude.
joe rogan
Is that real?
andrew santino
There's a park up there in the corner, and that has the least amount of poo in it.
joe rogan
Look at this.
San Francisco—it must be a high spot.
San Francisco's human waste problem plotted on a foul map.
The city itself is in trouble.
See, this is how medieval diseases get re—they resurface.
andrew santino
Yeah, they come back up because it gets in the rivers and the drinking water and all that stuff.
joe rogan
Yeah, but that's how people got diseases back in the day in Rome was because of bad sewage.
andrew santino
We were pooping in a place they were drinking and eating from.
joe rogan
Oh, this is so bad, man.
People just shitting in the streets.
andrew santino
Well, think about it.
Isn't that the Ganges?
Isn't it filled with feces and dead bodies and stuff, and they drink and bathe in it?
That's mind-bending to me.
joe rogan
But then San Francisco, with all these rich people, has this giant homeless shitting problem.
andrew santino
Yeah, a billionaire, and then two blocks away is a guy pooping.
joe rogan
Damn.
What could they do?
I mean, they did something in New York City, right?
They did some strong-arm type shit, and they reduced the amount of homelessness in New York City.
andrew santino
They cleaned up Manhattan.
It's like a sparkling...
Now it looks like it's like Six Flags.
Manhattan has become this very pristine, nice, safe, clean...
joe rogan
It definitely could have gone off the rails in Manhattan, too.
andrew santino
But they did it right somehow.
I don't know.
joe rogan
What did they do?
andrew santino
I don't know.
I mean, I think that was also the implementation of, like, they doubled their police force.
They started busting people for everything.
People got scared of doing anything illegal in the city.
joe rogan
Well, we're real close to someone saying enough is enough, and you get some...
Some dude who comes in is going to have some hardline Giuliani-type attack on the homeless problem in downtown in L.A. Because L.A. is up to 70,000-plus people homeless.
unidentified
Wow.
joe rogan
That's crazy.
That's like Boulder, Colorado.
andrew santino
Yeah, that's a lot of people.
joe rogan
That's like Boulder of homeless.
Just all the people in Boulder but homeless.
andrew santino
And they're concentrated mostly downtown and like Venice, right?
Isn't that where the most of them are?
joe rogan
Boulder might be 100,000.
I think Boulder might be underestimating the amount of people in Boulder.
How many people do you think live in Boulder, Colorado?
andrew santino
100 sounds low.
Boulder's pretty big.
joe rogan
Really?
andrew santino
The school is there, and the school alone has got to be 70k.
joe rogan
What?
jamie vernon
107,000.
joe rogan
107. Alright.
Yeah.
andrew santino
But that school's got to take up the high majority of that population.
Isn't that school massive?
That school's fucking huge.
jamie vernon
Yeah, I mean...
andrew santino
50, 60,000 kids?
jamie vernon
That's the most for, like, any school, really.
Like, Ohio State or Texas is, like, 50, 60. Yeah.
andrew santino
But isn't Boulder big like that?
joe rogan
College towns are strange, right?
You got young people, and then the old people who like staying near the university.
andrew santino
Dude, people used to complain when I was in Arizona State.
People would bitch constantly about us throwing house parties.
Like, where do you fucking think?
This school's been around since 1896. Yeah, and they used to be in those parties, these fucks.
Yeah, so either fucking come over and get high with us or move.
joe rogan
Yeah, you gotta move.
andrew santino
You gotta move, dude.
The school's been there.
When somebody moves to a school area and they complain, well, you know what they did about Westwood, UCLA. That whole thing is fucked up.
That's why there's no college town there because those community organizers basically made it almost impossible for young and new businesses to open up that would be supportive of like bars or restaurant culture.
They keep shutting it down because these old rich people in Westwood don't want that there.
They want it to be a neighborhood.
They fight UCLA tooth and nail to make sure that it's like, no, make the kids go fucking live in Culver City or something.
It's bullshit.
It's bullshit.
joe rogan
Is it though?
andrew santino
Yeah.
joe rogan
What if your house was out there?
You wouldn't be thinking it's bullshit?
andrew santino
I wouldn't move to a place where a college is.
I wouldn't move a block from a fucking major university.
How about that?
joe rogan
When I was in Boulder, I was driving down the street and I saw a fraternity house.
And I said, imagine, you're in a Zac Efron movie and you live right next door to these fucks.
andrew santino
Fuck that.
joe rogan
That's like a Zac Efron, Seth Rogen movie.
andrew santino
Yeah, what is it called?
Neighbors?
joe rogan
Something like that.
andrew santino
Yeah, but you know better.
That's what I mean.
You know where you're moving.
You know where you move.
If you move next to a major school, it's your fault.
joe rogan
I wonder if it's really cheap to live next to the fraternity.
andrew santino
Of course it is.
What do you mean?
It's got to be.
unidentified
Because it's a house.
joe rogan
Yeah.
Is there anything that fucks with your real estate value more than a fraternity?
No.
Sorority is like, I bet they're loud, but they're probably not going to be lighting anything on fire.
andrew santino
No, because they go to the guy's house.
They go to the frat to fuck shit up.
joe rogan
Well, also, the dudes are the ones that have the problems in terms of violence and explosions and chaos.
Drunk men, they're way scarier than drunk women.
Drunk women just cry.
They scream.
They tell bitches they're gonna cut them.
They might pull hair and punch each other, but it's nothing.
andrew santino
There's not bombs going off.
joe rogan
Drunk men are shooting guns and lighting cars on fire.
unidentified
Yeah.
joe rogan
They're doing dumb things.
Drunk men are fucking dangerous.
andrew santino
But that's what you're supposed to do when you're that age.
Whereas you're supposed to do dumb shit when you first start getting drunk.
joe rogan
And you're also supposed to realize how dumb it is that you're living in the house with these fucking savage men.
And you're like, I gotta grow up.
And then by the time those three years or four years are done and you're out, you're like, enough.
I'm gonna be a different person.
I'm turning over new people.
andrew santino
I'm gonna live alone.
joe rogan
I'm gonna be a venture capitalist.
I'm gonna be an angel investor.
andrew santino
But two of those guys still want to keep that party moving.
joe rogan
Yes, that's Burt Kreischer.
He became a fucking comedian.
andrew santino
They just can't get out of that.
joe rogan
That's literally Burt.
Burt was in school for a hundred years.
I mean, how long did he stay in college for?
andrew santino
Seven.
joe rogan
Seven years.
andrew santino
And he never graduated.
joe rogan
Or he did.
andrew santino
I don't know if he did or not.
joe rogan
Did he have a degree?
I guarantee you he bribed somebody.
andrew santino
It's got to be in hotel management.
unidentified
Hospitality.
andrew santino
If he has one, I bet you that's what it is.
joe rogan
Imagine if he did spend all those years on school tuition.
What a waste.
andrew santino
So much money.
But isn't his parenting?
He comes from money, right?
joe rogan
That's what it is.
What?
Top partier.
He had a degree in hospitality.
You nailed it.
andrew santino
I swear to God in my life, I did not know that, but I just knew it in my bones.
I knew it in my bones.
I had friends that did that.
One buddy did agriculture.
joe rogan
Yeah, but agriculture is real.
We need food.
andrew santino
He had nothing to do with it.
It was just a thing to do because he didn't know what the fuck he wanted to do.
joe rogan
Dude, that's so funny.
How much did that cost to get a degree in hospitality that he'll never use?
andrew santino
What do you gotta say?
joe rogan
How much a year is FSU? Look, he's got an amazing career in stand-up comedy, and I'm sure his experience is...
And the university probably did something to enhance his perspective that would help him on stage as a stand-up.
andrew santino
Well, they made a fucking movie out of it, I mean.
joe rogan
Yeah.
They didn't give him any money for that movie.
andrew santino
No, because the story was borrowed.
They twisted it.
Yeah.
joe rogan
They twisted it, but it was all based on Bert Kreischer.
unidentified
Totally.
joe rogan
That Van Wilder movie was based on Bert Kreischer.
jamie vernon
He says he was an English major for six years.
joe rogan
And then he's like, it's too fucking hard!
andrew santino
I can't speak no English!
joe rogan
I speak English!
I speak Florida!
I'm the machine!
andrew santino
Yeah, he looks exactly like what I... If Florida was a person, it'd be Bird...
joe rogan
Exactly!
andrew santino
If Florida was a human embodiment, it'd be fucking Bird Chrysler.
joe rogan
Yeah, with like a weird hat on.
andrew santino
Yeah.
joe rogan
Yeah.
No shirt.
andrew santino
No shirt.
Baseball hat.
joe rogan
Not even a baseball hat, you know?
Like one of them weird...
andrew santino
Fedoras?
joe rogan
Yeah, kind of like a half-ass fedora, you know?
But no shirt on.
andrew santino
No shirt.
joe rogan
And flip-flops.
That's Florida.
He gave me a pair of his own flip-flops.
He's got a company that makes flip-flops now.
andrew santino
Bert does?
joe rogan
Bert does.
andrew santino
What are they called?
joe rogan
They're right here.
andrew santino
Birdies?
That's insane.
Burt investing in a flip-flop company is a company that pre-existed and then he bought into it or he started it?
joe rogan
I don't know.
Yeah, he's made.
I did squats yesterday.
That hurt.
andrew santino
So it says Burt Kreischer Free Waters.
Free Water.
That's the name of these.
joe rogan
The company, I guess.
They're a very solid flip-flop, though.
Thumbs up.
andrew santino
Yeah.
joe rogan
Yeah, if you're into flip-flops, these are great.
I wear flip-flops once a year is when I go to Hawaii.
andrew santino
I don't really wear flip flops.
I don't like the toe divider.
I like slides.
You know slides.
joe rogan
I like slides.
andrew santino
I fuck with slides, yeah.
I just can't do flip.
I don't like the toe divider.
It weirds me out.
joe rogan
That's where you draw the line, huh?
andrew santino
Yeah.
joe rogan
What's better?
What's better, Jamie?
andrew santino
You like slides.
unidentified
Slides?
jamie vernon
I don't wear it.
Yeah, if I did, I'd probably wear slides.
joe rogan
A lot of dudes will rock slides with white socks.
andrew santino
Yes.
joe rogan
And like serious dudes.
Like guys who go to the gym, like muscular young guys.
unidentified
Yep.
joe rogan
They wear slides and socks and they'll go wandering about.
andrew santino
Comfy.
joe rogan
If you ever wore flip-flops and socks and you went out, people would smack you.
There's a difference.
For some reason...
andrew santino
Some guys can.
joe rogan
Yeah, but for some reason, slides and socks...
Is acceptable where flip-flops and socks are not.
andrew santino
Well, because then you do the Ninja Turtle toe.
You can't do the socks with the flip-flops because then your toe gets divided and then it looks really weird.
joe rogan
But isn't that strange?
andrew santino
Yeah.
Well, it looks ridiculous.
joe rogan
The secure...
They're both ridiculous.
Wearing slides with socks looks ridiculous.
andrew santino
No, it makes sense to me.
joe rogan
But at least it looks casual, right?
Slides with socks is just...
I don't need to wear shoes, man.
I just slip my socks in these and go to the fucking grocery store.
andrew santino
I'm going to go run over there real fast.
joe rogan
You can go to the grocery store with slides on and socks.
andrew santino
I go to the bank.
joe rogan
No one will say nothing.
andrew santino
Nope.
joe rogan
You can go to the bank.
unidentified
Yeah.
andrew santino
I do small errands with slides and socks on.
joe rogan
Well, especially a guy like you.
You're a successful comedian.
You make a good living.
You're not poor.
It's not like this is the only pair of shoes you have.
This is a choice.
andrew santino
Yeah, I've made an obvious choice.
joe rogan
You pull up in your Mercedes.
andrew santino
I don't have a Mercedes.
joe rogan
I'm looking at it right now.
andrew santino
No, I don't have a Mercedes.
Are you lying?
Yeah.
I'm giving back to the environment.
I have a Yaris.
I bought a Toyota Yaris.
joe rogan
This is not true.
andrew santino
No.
joe rogan
You have a Mercedes.
andrew santino
Yeah, that's true.
joe rogan
Yeah.
Bitch.
White man with your fucking golden locks.
jamie vernon
Gucci slides are regular bullshit.
andrew santino
First of all, I would never buy Gucci fucking...
That's insane.
You don't like Gucci?
No.
I buy the Adidas ones you can throw in the trash.
joe rogan
Oh, is that why?
andrew santino
Because if they get fucked up, they're like 20 bucks.
You just buy a new...
joe rogan
You're not into the Gucci?
andrew santino
No.
You, of all people asking me that, you would never wear Gucci fucking slides.
joe rogan
I have a pair of Gucci slippers that my wife bought me.
andrew santino
How often are you wearing those?
joe rogan
I've wore them twice.
andrew santino
Exactly.
joe rogan
She bought them a couple years ago.
They have tigers on the feet.
andrew santino
You know this hypebeast pervert over here?
He'd wear it all the time.
joe rogan
Whoa, whoa.
andrew santino
You love that bullshit.
You are.
joe rogan
Hypebeast pervert.
andrew santino
He's a hypebeast pervert.
He comes on.
You like to jack off to cool hypebeast shit.
You know you do.
joe rogan
Wow.
andrew santino
You don't?
joe rogan
It's not a lion, sir.
jamie vernon
It's like Jordans.
Not wearing, like, whatever.
Off-white t-shirt or whatever.
joe rogan
I saw, what is that guy's name?
Philip Plein?
How do you say it?
Who's that?
He's the guy that got in trouble because they took pictures.
He took pictures of his sneakers.
He didn't get in trouble, but Ferrari got angry at him because he has a Ferrari, and he took pictures of his sneakers sitting on his Ferrari.
andrew santino
So what?
joe rogan
And Ferrari said that he, they sent him like a cease and desist saying that he's damaging their brand.
andrew santino
Uh, his car.
jamie vernon
Oh, he's a sneaker guy.
Philip Pline, I see.
joe rogan
How'd he say it?
Is it Pline?
So there was a big controversy because, like, hey, he bought your fucking $300,000 car.
He should be able to take a picture of his sneakers on your car.
andrew santino
Set it on fire if he feels like it.
What the fuck?
joe rogan
His, it was something about his lifestyle, that the lifestyle that he promotes.
But the lifestyle that he promotes is just his hot girlfriend and him and they're wearing clothes.
There's nothing crazy.
andrew santino
Who do you think buys Ferraris?
What the fuck?
joe rogan
This is it.
andrew santino
That's a dope color for the car.
That is a beautiful fucking color.
joe rogan
I've never seen a green Ferrari like that.
andrew santino
Ferrari threatens to sue?
joe rogan
Dude, that makes me want to make a Ferrari that color.
That's a dope color.
andrew santino
Yeah.
joe rogan
Okay, tarnishes the reputation of Ferrari's brands and causes Ferrari further material damage to his behavior.
andrew santino
They'll lose that lawsuit.
joe rogan
Ferrari's letter to Plein also says that he was using Ferrari's trademarks for the promotional purposes of increasing his own brand and products visibility.
Again, the car's pictured are Plein's own.
Ferrari is essentially claiming that Plein is harnessing its iconic imagery to bolster his own brand and also denigrate Ferraris.
How is it denigrating Ferraris, though?
Scroll back up.
It's just a dope-looking color Ferrari and some pretty fucking cool sneakers.
Those are cool.
andrew santino
I don't understand how that's denigrating the brand.
Who do they think is buying fucking Ferraris?
Do they have this idea that it's Harvard grads that are buying Ferraris?
joe rogan
Well, some of them were Harvard grads.
andrew santino
I think most people that buy Ferrari didn't go to Harvard.
joe rogan
Do me a favor.
I want to see a full picture of his green Ferrari.
jamie vernon
I remember we looked at this before.
Those pictures have been taken off Instagram, so like...
joe rogan
Oh.
But see if you can just find his green Ferrari, because I know that motherfucker, if he's got a green Ferrari, he takes a lot of pictures of it.
There's no way that's the only picture of his dope green Ferrari.
andrew santino
You would assume Ferrari's brand is to promote people who are, like, self-made, money-making...
That's what this guy is, right?
Yeah, there it is.
joe rogan
Is that it?
Is there any other ones?
Other photos of it?
Yeah.
See, it's just all his girlfriend looking hot, and him looking sexy, and here's a dope car.
andrew santino
That's a Lambo.
joe rogan
Yeah, here's my gold Lamborghini.
andrew santino
Dope.
joe rogan
Here's my fucking...
jamie vernon
Gold plane jet.
joe rogan
He's got a gold jet.
That's hilarious.
It might be.
I was at a store.
They have a store in Vegas, and they had $6,000 crocodile sneakers.
And I was like, those are pretty dope.
I mostly wear chucks or different Converse or skate shoes.
andrew santino
I wear a lot of Adidas.
What's the most expensive dumb shit you bought then?
What's the dumbest where you're like, I can't believe I bought the $6,000 crocodile shoes.
What is it?
joe rogan
I don't really have one of those.
andrew santino
You got something, dude.
unidentified
Mmm.
joe rogan
Nothing stupid that I don't wear.
My pool case is made out of alligator skin.
andrew santino
But that wasn't that expensive.
Was it?
joe rogan
A couple thousand bucks.
andrew santino
Well, that's pretty expensive.
joe rogan
It's handmade.
andrew santino
But isn't that relative to pool cues, cases?
I mean, don't ever...
Yeah.
joe rogan
That's a really good one.
unidentified
Right.
joe rogan
Nothing too crazy.
andrew santino
There's not something in the house that you're like, why the fuck do we buy that?
That's an insane amount of money for no reason.
joe rogan
The thing that I like that I spend money on that's kind of ridiculous is the cars.
andrew santino
Yeah.
joe rogan
Classic cars.
andrew santino
Yeah, you made fun of my car.
You got a thousand of them.
I have one.
joe rogan
I didn't make fun of it.
I just pointed out that you're rich.
andrew santino
I'm not rich.
I'm on borrowed time.
joe rogan
Driving around in an AMG Mercedes.
andrew santino
Hey, first of all, first of all, my car costs half as much as Jamie's outfit.
joe rogan
Whoa, he's got a Dolph Lundgren t-shirt on.
Why do you keep shitting on Jamie?
andrew santino
Because Jamie doesn't get any flack for being...
Jamie's a billionaire and all the listeners know it by now.
Jamie's a multi-billionaire.
Everything Jamie posts online, he has lots of fancy, cool, new shit.
jamie vernon
He's mad at my Jordans, that's what I see.
andrew santino
He's 85. I'm a little annoyed.
I'm a little annoyed.
Annoyed and jealous.
jamie vernon
The real world is too.
andrew santino
Also jealous and annoyed.
Jamie gets some great stacks.
Jamie's got some great shit.
It's all love, Jamie.
None of it's hate.
joe rogan
Are you still doing a podcast with Bobby Lee?
andrew santino
Yes.
Me and Robert E. Lee.
How often do you guys do it?
Every single week.
Comes out on Mondays.
It's called Bad Friends.
It's the most fucking fun thing I've ever done in my life.
joe rogan
That's great.
andrew santino
We talk to each other for just over an hour about a myriad of things.
I set up bits for him to do.
We do a bunch of different new fun stuff every single week.
It's actually been...
Doing my own podcast is fun, but doing one with him has just been like, you know.
joe rogan
Dude, he's the perfect guy for podcasts.
unidentified
He really is.
joe rogan
Podcasts are a thing for him.
It's the thing for him.
andrew santino
Yep.
He's a hard...
joe rogan
He's so silly.
He's a fun guy, and you get to know him, and you love him.
andrew santino
Yeah.
joe rogan
Like, he's such a sweetheart.
andrew santino
If you go to this week's episode, go to episode three, and...
joe rogan
What's with the shelf?
Who's the designer?
andrew santino
This is half of the stuff we talk shit about from our fans.
joe rogan
Well, who put that together?
andrew santino
The producer.
joe rogan
You have a producer that decorates?
andrew santino
No, we just told him to throw stuff on the walls because we were like, just put up some shit on the wall.
joe rogan
Why don't you put some stuff on the wall that represents what you like?
andrew santino
We're gonna.
We're gonna.
It's brand new.
We just started the whole thing.
We haven't done it yet.
joe rogan
You need an American flag behind you.
That should be what we all do now.
andrew santino
Go to episode 3 and go to the beginning, I think, because this is an episode where I brought an airsoft gun to the studio.
Bobby with a gun is a, you know...
joe rogan
Look at those glasses.
You guys are reading a script?
andrew santino
What is this?
joe rogan
You love letters to each other?
andrew santino
Yeah, we're reading sweet, sweet nothings.
But Bobby got a gun.
I mean, I gave Bobby an airsoft gun.
Go to the very end.
joe rogan
Who made the animation of Bobby?
andrew santino
I don't know who did that one.
Isn't that good, though?
joe rogan
He's wearing slides.
andrew santino
Well, he always wears slides.
unidentified
Look at the animation.
joe rogan
He's wearing slides.
andrew santino
Go to the very end.
Go to the very, very end real quick.
The airsoft gun comes out way later there at the very end.
joe rogan
Imagine if we all decided that every podcast we're going to have an American flag in the background.
We all decided to do it that way.
andrew santino
Oh, here it is.
Yeah, and I shoot a TV. People didn't like...
People got freaked out.
They thought it was a real gun.
joe rogan
I think this is why you had to be there things.
Because right now it's just like you with a gun.
andrew santino
Yeah, no, no, no.
I know.
No, I'm saying, but I brought an airsoft gun, which is a bad...
Did you just break the TV? Yeah, Bobby Dare made me shoot the TV, so I did it.
We're children.
joe rogan
Is that a BB? Like, what's it shooting?
andrew santino
It's an airsoft gun.
It's a BB gun.
Yeah.
joe rogan
Oh, so you shot a BB at the TV. Yeah.
andrew santino
I could shoot a gun inside of the house.
You broke a TV? Yeah.
Bob does that stuff to me.
Only when I'm with this moron do I do such dumb stuff.
joe rogan
He smokes cigarettes in there too?
Is Bobby smoking again?
andrew santino
Yeah, not inside.
We make him go outside.
joe rogan
How long did he quit for?
He quit for a while, didn't he?
andrew santino
Yeah, he was vaping.
He was vaping for a long time, but now he's back.
He's trying to get off of it.
He's trying, but we'll see if it actually happens.
joe rogan
Well, if he's smoking, he's not trying to get off of it.
andrew santino
No, he wants to stop, but you know.
joe rogan
Isn't that a weird thing?
Like, if you're trying, well, you could just stop.
andrew santino
Yeah, I mean, I smoked for a while, and I quit.
joe rogan
How long did you smoke for?
andrew santino
A couple years.
joe rogan
Do you like scars?
andrew santino
Nope.
joe rogan
You don't?
andrew santino
No, because it makes me want to smoke.
Like, Burr is always like, what do you mean you don't want to smoke?
I was like, because it makes me want to smoke a cigarette.
Because sometimes I do want a cigarette.
You used to smoke cigarettes, didn't you?
Yeah, I could tell.
joe rogan
Burr loves the cigars.
andrew santino
That's the supplement is drinking.
That's because he doesn't want to drink anymore.
That's why he likes smoking.
joe rogan
I think he liked it when he was drinking, too, though.
andrew santino
Yeah, but now more than ever.
I think he smokes way more cigars than he ever did when he was drinking.
joe rogan
Oh, yeah, probably.
andrew santino
Because now he's almost got rid of the sauce completely, right?
joe rogan
I think so.
Yeah, he went a whole year without drinking.
andrew santino
That's nuts.
joe rogan
It's funnier than ever, though.
andrew santino
Yeah, I don't think I could go a year.
joe rogan
Son of a bitch.
andrew santino
How long do you think I could go without?
What do you think I could do?
joe rogan
Have you ever done a month?
andrew santino
I've done a month.
joe rogan
When did you do a month?
You want to do Sobro October with us this year?
andrew santino
Okay.
joe rogan
Do you?
andrew santino
Maybe.
jamie vernon
I'm very scared and apprehensive about that.
andrew santino
You know how much I like drinking.
October's my birthday.
joe rogan
Oh, sweetie.
andrew santino
And I'm going to...
Come on.
It's hard for me.
joe rogan
It's a thing every year.
Every year when we do it, I'm like, hmm, this is interesting.
It's a thing.
andrew santino
But it's so easy for you because nothing has a grasp on you.
Like, drinking and smoking a little pot, it doesn't control you the way that, like, Bert, it's a real challenge.
Bert not drinking is an actual challenge.
For you, I don't think it's a real challenge.
joe rogan
Well, it's a challenge in that it's something that you commit to.
andrew santino
Yeah, but you do that constantly on your own anyway.
You're doing it against guys that don't constantly do it on their own.
joe rogan
Yeah, there's a little bit of that, but it's good for people.
That's one of the reasons why I did it.
But even for me, just knowing that I have to do something for a whole month, and I think that's one of the really good things about when we did that workout challenge, working out six hours a day, you realize you can actually do that.
andrew santino
Yeah, that's insane.
joe rogan
I never thought he could do that.
I never even thought about doing that.
But when you know that you're competing against three other assholes, and you're like, let's fucking do this, bitch.
So everybody's getting up, like all hyped up.
And I would get up and I would read the fitness tracker results that Tom had put in fucking 15 miles earlier in the day.
I'm like, shit!
andrew santino
Yeah, that's insane.
joe rogan
He's on the East Coast, or Ari's doing something crazy where he rides a bike while he's watching a movie for two hours, and he's got this crazy high score.
I'm like, oh no.
And everybody was doing that.
So everybody was checking their app and then going and doing crazy shit all day.
andrew santino
Right.
joe rogan
So by the end of the month, we were literally working out at least three to four hours every day.
Like, hardcore.
andrew santino
That's absurd.
That's absurd.
joe rogan
I did one day, I did more than seven hours at 80% of my max heart rate.
andrew santino
Mm-mm.
joe rogan
Yeah, I worked out all day.
andrew santino
How much weight are you losing?
joe rogan
I was eating everything.
andrew santino
You were just constantly eating.
joe rogan
I didn't lose any weight.
I didn't lose any weight.
I was also mixing it up so I wasn't going crazy.
I was doing cardio and I was also doing weights and I was doing a bunch of other things and I was eating like a wolf.
I mean, eating like a wolf broke into a house and just tearing apart the cupboards.
It was horrible.
I was drinking a lot of soda, too.
Like, I was craving sugar from actual soda, so I was drinking like a whole sugary cream soda.
You know, like, I did this elliptical machine for...
I don't know how many hours, but it was at least five, maybe six hours on this elliptical machine.
andrew santino
In one fucking sitting?
joe rogan
In one sitting, yeah.
unidentified
What?
joe rogan
Where there's puddles on the ground.
I set off the fire alarm in the room from my steam.
There's a video of it.
I made a video of it, of the puddles on the ground from my sweat and setting up.
If you just keep going, see, if you watch movies that are exciting, right, and I have this TV right in front of me, so I'm watching, I watched the scene in...
John Wick in the Russian bathhouse where he kills everybody.
andrew santino
Yeah, I love that.
joe rogan
I watched that scene 50 times in a row.
andrew santino
Oh, you just kept looping it?
joe rogan
I just kept going back and watching it again.
Because there's something about that scene where you pretend that you're John Wick, or you pretend you're someone who's trying to kill John Wick, and you're in the middle of this whole fucking shootout, stab him, caught that guy, look at this one.
And it's a fucking super intense scene, so I would just watch that scene over and over and over again.
And then I'd watch other movies, and I'd get bored, and I'd go back to that movie again.
And I'd watch John Wick 2 a bunch of times, too.
But the hyper-violent scenes, when you watch those, you feel like you're there, like you're locked in.
Another thing is fights.
I would watch fights all day.
andrew santino
While you're on the elliptical.
joe rogan
Yeah, because if you're on a bike or an elliptical or a stairmill or something like that, you can watch fights.
And you start seeing stuff happen and you're thinking, oh my god, this guy's...
unidentified
Get up, get up, get up.
joe rogan
Look out.
He goes, oh Jesus, I always hug her.
And while you're doing that, the excitement of the fights carries you through your workout.
andrew santino
Are you listening to you call a fight?
joe rogan
Sometimes.
andrew santino
That's fucking wild.
joe rogan
Yeah, but it's really...
That's...
It doesn't matter.
What matters is good fights.
It doesn't help me hearing my own voice.
This is weird.
But good fights.
Anytime it's a crazy, chaotic fight, you'll get hyped up.
And your mind will think about that more than you think about the burning in your lungs or the burning in your legs.
And just the momentum of something exciting carries you really far.
It's like music?
Music carries really far?
andrew santino
Music for me.
When I go run, it's music.
That's it.
Like, I've tried to do on the elliptical when I watch something.
I can't do that.
I just can't.
Like, I gotta have something.
Music or a podcast or an audiobook, then I can get into it.
joe rogan
But if you know that you're gonna be on the elliptical for hours.
andrew santino
It'd be hard for me to watch.
I don't know why, but I don't like watching something when I'm on a machine.
That's why, again, the gym for me is just a place to lift weights in between running.
I can't be in there.
The elliptical, the treadmills, they give me nightmares.
I'm like, these fucking things.
I just got to be outside.
You like running outside.
joe rogan
Yeah, I do.
andrew santino
I just can't do it.
joe rogan
No, it makes sense.
andrew santino
Yeah, I can't do it.
joe rogan
Yeah.
andrew santino
I can't do it.
joe rogan
Yeah, I've never done a spin class, but people love that shit.
andrew santino
Nope, not gonna do that.
joe rogan
Look at you.
andrew santino
I did the Peloton in a hotel.
I did Peloton once in a hotel.
joe rogan
One time?
andrew santino
Yeah, and my tush was in such pain.
My undercarriage, my grundle, my nifkin, and my asshole were in pain.
joe rogan
I don't think you're supposed to sit down.
andrew santino
Well, I was putting the seat in my asshole.
I thought that was what you were supposed to do the whole time.
I spit on it.
No, I did it.
I did the workout, and it was a great workout.
I will say it was awesome, but I don't like bikes that much.
I don't like biking that much.
It's just not for me.
joe rogan
Well, it's always more exciting to do something fun, like if you can play a game.
If you can play basketball and you get your cardio from that, it's always better.
andrew santino
That's great.
That's the best.
joe rogan
Yeah, or soccer.
Soccer is an awesome game for cardio.
Jesus, who has to be in better cardiovascular shape than soccer players?
andrew santino
No, but they run for 90 minutes straight, no breaks.
joe rogan
Yeah, and then they have another game tomorrow.
andrew santino
Yeah, it's...
Yeah, you got another...
All right, boys, rest up.
You got one in eight hours.
joe rogan
I mean, those dudes are always fucking cutting left and cutting right and stopping.
andrew santino
Oh, yeah.
Those guys are in probably the most high-end cardio shape of all pro athletes.
joe rogan
They also pretend to get hurt worse than anybody in any other sport.
andrew santino
Yeah, that's part of the thing, you know?
I don't really love that, but it's part of the thing.
Ian Edwards was trying to explain it to me one time.
I just couldn't.
I was like, I don't know.
joe rogan
Imagine this is a sport where a big part of the thing is pretending you got hurt.
unidentified
Oh!
joe rogan
You have to fall down.
You have to fall down and pretend you got hurt.
andrew santino
Imagine a UFC fight if a guy walks in, flinches, and the other guy's like, and he has to get down, and the ref's like, I'm warning you, dude.
Either hit him, don't flinch.
Well, that's like, you know, they're flopping.
Flopping in the NBA. Flopping is a weird thing.
joe rogan
They do it in the NBA as well?
andrew santino
It's a big thing, man.
joe rogan
It sucks.
andrew santino
It used to not be.
But it used to not be at all.
joe rogan
But the idea is that you can get someone to call a foul, trick the ref, and then, yeah.
andrew santino
Yeah, and then when you start to build up fouls against the other team, they can foul out.
joe rogan
Why don't they check the replay before they ever do anything like that?
jamie vernon
They do.
They do.
joe rogan
Okay, so if a guy flops and you know for sure that he's faking it, why can't you penalize him?
andrew santino
I mean, that's just not part of the game.
joe rogan
How about you pull out a bitch card on it?
andrew santino
Bitch.
joe rogan
You pull out a pink card.
andrew santino
Bitch.
jamie vernon
In soccer, you get a yellow card if you're being a bitch.
Oh, okay.
joe rogan
That's a coward.
That's even better than pink.
Because pink can be powerful.
andrew santino
You can get a technical in basketball.
You can get a technical foul in basketball.
joe rogan
So pretending to be hit is a technical foul?
jamie vernon
They don't really do it for that, though.
joe rogan
What do they do it for?
jamie vernon
Like yelling or fighting or touching the ref.
andrew santino
Or if you're enticing some bullshit.
Like if a guy's flopping and the ref knows he's full of shit and he's trying to entice this guy, he'll give them a tech if they're jawing at each other because that's usually what happens.
So in one way, it kind of leads down the same road.
You end up getting—the refs call out the bullshit.
They have to do it in a different way.
Or they'll hit you with an unnecessary foul to check you to be like, I know what you're up to.
You're full of shit.
Taking a charge means if you stand still, someone's got to run into you.
Sometimes they'll call it on you just to be like, you know you're cheating a little bit.
You're stepping in the way.
You're breaking the rules.
joe rogan
Yeah, I don't know basketball enough to know what's going on.
jamie vernon
The difference, I think, between a fight and an octagon referee versus an NBA referee, the guys in the NBA are controlling the game.
Every game is different.
There are rules, but...
Some are easily bendable or breakable at times depending on what is actually going on.
You might allow a travel if a player doesn't actually get an advantage on that.
andrew santino
You're right.
jamie vernon
You just took an extra step.
You don't want to slow the game down.
You don't want to ruin everything they paid there to get.
andrew santino
It's kind of like intervening in a fight too much if a ref is coming in.
You don't want to really fuck up the rhythm of this thing because you know for the player's purpose and the fighter's purpose and for the entertain, at some point you're like, You're just ruining the fucking thing for everybody.
joe rogan
Wasn't there an issue years ago that referees were being paid by, like, gamblers?
unidentified
Oh.
jamie vernon
Tim Donahue, there's a whole, like, he's explained it a lot about, well, he said he was betting on advantages that he knew about, not necessarily, like, Making something happen in a different way.
andrew santino
I call bullshit.
joe rogan
Weren't there referees, though, that were accused of doing certain things?
andrew santino
Well, this guy got caught.
joe rogan
And he was a referee?
And he went to jail?
jamie vernon
Yeah.
joe rogan
That makes sense.
andrew santino
He got caught.
He got fucked.
I mean, this actually happens more often than not.
I mean, the most famous betting story is Pete Rose in baseball.
joe rogan
They don't think he did anything to somehow or another...
andrew santino
Well, he never bet on his team's games.
That was his thing.
joe rogan
I thought he did, though.
I thought someone called bullshit on that.
andrew santino
I don't think they ever found it.
I don't think he was betting on his own.
joe rogan
Why don't you Google, did Pete Rose ever bet on his own games?
But anyway, so the problem was that he bet on baseball.
andrew santino
Well, yeah, but Tim Donaghy, the NBA ref, they said they were betting on games.
joe rogan
No, but I mean Pete Rose.
andrew santino
Yeah.
jamie vernon
He said he only bet on his team to win.
andrew santino
He never bet against them, right.
He bet on other games and then only bet on them to get a W. Well, man, am I wrong in thinking that that should be okay?
I don't think it's wrong.
If you bet on your team to win...
joe rogan
Why wouldn't you bet on your team?
Put your money where your mouth is, bitch.
jamie vernon
There's no book obtained that says in 1986 he bet against the team.
andrew santino
He bet against them.
joe rogan
Dude, that's what I read.
That's right, that's right.
andrew santino
Okay, so that's the issue.
But I think you should be able to bet for your team to win.
joe rogan
Yeah, for your team to win for sure.
andrew santino
In a fight in Vegas, can't you put a bet on you to win?
Could you bet on yourself to win?
joe rogan
Yeah, guys do that.
andrew santino
Yeah, I think that's totally fine.
joe rogan
A lot of fighters have bet on themselves to win.
andrew santino
Well, why not?
I don't understand why not.
joe rogan
They should totally be able to do that.
But they're a one-man team.
I think the real question would be if he bet against his team, and it says he did, and if that is the case, and he did something to win the bet, and tried to cost his team, like made decisions that weren't the best decisions, put the wrong people in his pitchers.
andrew santino
Well, then the other side of it is, even on a one-man team, let's say me and you are fighting.
I bet me to win, but you know that you're going to throw the fight, and I'm going to get you some of the winnings.
Do you know what I mean?
That's the other side of it.
joe rogan
Oh, okay, because there's other people involved.
Yeah, you could definitely do that.
We could make agreements.
andrew santino
Yeah, that would be the thing.
If I said, hey, man, you've got to throw this fight.
I'm basically paying you to throw the fight, knowing that I'm betting on myself to win.
joe rogan
Yeah.
Yeah?
Yeah, and I would bet against myself.
andrew santino
Fuck yeah.
joe rogan
Right.
Yeah.
People have definitely done that.
andrew santino
Yeah, that's where it gets shady.
joe rogan
Well, referees in boxing, for sure, have been shady, and so have judges.
Judges have been caught, for sure, rendering decisions that didn't make any sense, and then, you know...
andrew santino
Taking money?
joe rogan
Yeah, they must have.
I mean, I don't know how many times they've been, like...
Let's find out.
How many boxing judge arrested for corruption?
Just Google that.
jamie vernon
This Pete Rose thing is very confusing.
joe rogan
Oh, yeah?
jamie vernon
It's more about, I guess, if he bet while he was a player versus being a manager.
And it says, documents obtained by outside lines reflect betting records from 1886, which is when he was a player.
joe rogan
1886?
jamie vernon
Sorry, 1986. Jesus Christ.
It showed no evidence that Rose, who was a player, manager them, bet against his team.
Sorry, I misread that when I said that.
andrew santino
Well, yeah, but that was the stipulation of the Hall of Fame.
joe rogan
Okay, so there's no evidence that he bet against himself or his team.
Good.
Okay, then I'm fine with it again.
andrew santino
Yeah.
joe rogan
Yeah, I mean, you know what I mean?
Like, if I was a fucking player and the coach said, I just put five ground on you motherfuckers, let's do this shit.
I'd be like, that coach believes in us.
Fucking A. He's putting his money on it.
andrew santino
You know, the argument was whether or not he deserves to be in the Hall of Fame.
joe rogan
Of course he does.
andrew santino
You know, that was the whole thing.
unidentified
Of course he does.
andrew santino
Yeah, 100%.
joe rogan
It's a savage sport where guys are hitting a leather-covered ball of string.
You know?
andrew santino
Yeah, what do you want?
joe rogan
I mean, you're smashing this thing, and you're running around.
It's a sport.
Sports are all dominated by savages.
jamie vernon
Pops up on this guy.
joe rogan
What is this?
jamie vernon
Maybe the worst referee.
I guess it's videos about the boxing thing.
joe rogan
Oh, there was a really bad stoppage this past weekend in the UFC. Really bad.
Really bad.
andrew santino
That gets so much controversy, huh?
joe rogan
This one was a bad one.
It was the worst stoppage I've ever seen.
There was this guy.
You can find it in the UFC's...
I've got to remember how to say this guy's name.
andrew santino
Why did he claim he stopped the fight?
joe rogan
Well, the referee...
I don't want to call the referee out.
There's no need to.
Everybody knows who it is.
He's a nice guy.
He fucked up.
Referees fuck up sometimes.
He thought the guy was hurt.
And he wasn't hurt.
He was faking it.
Okay, so the Magomed Ankalev, I think that's how you say it, and I forget I say Kutabela's first name.
I think it's Eon.
I think it's Eon Kutabela.
So Kutabela was playing possum.
If you watch the video, you can see the video.
It looks like he's playing possum.
See, he's pretending that he's hurt.
See, he got hit for sure, but look how he's waggling his head back and forth.
He's trying to sucker him in for that right hand.
He's trying to pretend that he's hurt and then throw that right hand.
And the referee stops the fight while he's throwing punches.
But look at him, look at him.
As soon as the referee stops the fight, he's like, I'm fine.
What the fuck are you doing?
That's not a guy who's rocked.
If you watch it again, you can see that he definitely is getting hit, but you can also see that that's fake.
That's wobbly with the head.
He's trying to lure the guy into thinking that he's so hurt.
That he can't control himself and he's trying to throw haymakers.
But he's also definitely getting hit too.
So I could see how the referee fell for it.
But you gotta let guys fight.
You gotta let guys fight.
And sometimes referees, in the interest of the fighter, trying to save a guy from damage, they step in and they make a mistake.
That's an easy mistake to make.
Because it is a really bad stoppage.
But because the fact that he was faking like he was hurt.
But he wasn't faking like he was hurt enough to stop a fight.
andrew santino
No, it didn't look like it.
joe rogan
When a guy's swinging back with big wild haymakers, he could win at any time.
unidentified
Yeah, dude.
joe rogan
Right?
I mean, we've seen that in a lot of fights.
andrew santino
A few of those looked fucking brutal.
joe rogan
I mean, there's been many, many fights where you see a guy win a fight that he's getting dominated because he catches a guy who gets overzealous and tries to finish him off.
That's what we got robbed of.
The referee fucked up.
Or the, you know, the referee...
I mean, he fucked up, but he also was a little bit tricked by this guy's trying to lure this guy in by pretending and then exploding.
andrew santino
Right.
He didn't look like...
joe rogan
But even if the guy was really that rocked, it wasn't enough to stop the fight.
That guy was throwing back.
He was defending himself.
He was moving back with his hands up, and he's throwing in a fight.
You know, the fight just doesn't end when someone gets hit.
andrew santino
Right.
joe rogan
Like, no, the fight ends when you can't protect yourself anymore.
andrew santino
When it was defenseless, yeah.
joe rogan
He was not defenseless.
He was very dangerous still.
andrew santino
That was a bummer to watch.
That's one of those things where, well, you feel bad for the guy.
He fucked up a little bit.
He's not a, you know...
joe rogan
The referee's not a bad guy.
He just fucked up.
And then the fighter, you gotta think, that guy trained for months for that moment.
And he's trying to sucker this guy in.
I mean, maybe he's got this thing that he does.
andrew santino
Is he Russian?
joe rogan
He pretends like he's hurt.
I don't know where Kutabel is from.
andrew santino
Because that ref's gonna die.
joe rogan
I don't remember.
andrew santino
If he's Russian, that ref's dead.
Ref's dead in a month.
joe rogan
I don't think it's a corruption thing.
I think that's just a mistake.
andrew santino
Yeah.
joe rogan
It's fucking hard, man.
Moldova.
unidentified
Moldova.
joe rogan
It's a fucking hard job, man.
You're in there, and these dudes are throwing their fucking knees in each other's faces.
Right.
Head kicking each other.
andrew santino
And it's just you.
Yes.
That's the other thing.
Other sports have many refs.
You're the only one, dude.
joe rogan
And you're all on edge and shit.
When do I stop it?
When do I stop it?
andrew santino
Fuck that.
Yeah, the pressure is insane.
So many other sports can rely on other referees to go, oh shit, I think we fucked up or I fucked up.
This one is like, it's this, dude.
joe rogan
That was a bad call.
andrew santino
Yeah, that was a bad call.
It happens.
joe rogan
It's a hard gig, Tantino.
andrew santino
It's a tough gig to do.
joe rogan
Bro, we didn't even talk about your show.
You have a new show.
andrew santino
I got a new show.
joe rogan
Doesn't it come out today or something?
andrew santino
Comes out today.
unidentified
Next week?
andrew santino
Comes out today.
joe rogan
March 4th?
It's already March 4th.
andrew santino
Comes out today.
joe rogan
How is it March 4th?
andrew santino
I don't know.
joe rogan
I feel like I've been abducted by aliens and time's been stolen from me.
andrew santino
It comes out today on FXX and on Hulu.
joe rogan
You and that little dicky!
andrew santino
Me and little dicky.
joe rogan
Hey!
andrew santino
There it is.
Who's that guy?
Wait, wait, hold on.
When you play a clip about what I said about the show, I can't believe they left it in.
joe rogan
Is that Little Dicky's parents?
andrew santino
That's his parents that play his parents on the show.
Look at the very end, there's a clip I say.
Nah, keep going.
Me, that's me talking head.
Listen to what I say about the show.
You're going to love it.
Turn this up.
And everyone should be embarrassed to be a part of it.
Alright.
unidentified
It's a great show.
It's a great show.
I actually think it's going to be one of the best shows ever.
joe rogan
Lil Dicky thinks it's going to be one of the best shows ever.
So congratulations on being a part of one of the best shows ever.
andrew santino
I hope so.
I just think it's funny the FX guy was like, how do you think?
You know, they're fucking rousing me into saying something.
I go, I think it's one of the worst shows of all time and everyone should be embarrassed to be a part of it.
And he's looking at me like...
I'm like, dude, I'm a comedian.
It's a joke.
What the fuck?
This is a comedy.
And they took it so serious.
joe rogan
Doomed.
And they're making comedy.
Doomed.
andrew santino
Get out of there.
joe rogan
Come back to the store.
Why are you on TV? Stop it.
See?
andrew santino
These are the guys that are doing the promo, the advertising company.
They come in and be like, hey, tell us about the show.
It's like, what do you want me to fucking say?
I'm never good at those.
joe rogan
You need a better agent.
andrew santino
That has nothing to do.
joe rogan
Agent shields you from that and says, Mr. Santino, let's not talk to you.
People that don't know what the fuck is going on.
andrew santino
That's like when you go to a premiere.
When you do a premiere, they ask these questions.
joe rogan
Don't go to the premiere.
andrew santino
You have to.
joe rogan
You don't have to?
andrew santino
You do.
It's in your contract.
You gotta go.
joe rogan
You gotta get a better agent that doesn't put that shit in your contract.
andrew santino
Joe, see what he does?
Stop fucking laughing.
This is him just baiting me to get angry about it.
You have to go.
I don't have a choice.
Look, but the show is good.
People watch the show.
It's gonna be good.
joe rogan
That's what's important.
andrew santino
Yeah, the show is good.
Watch the show.
It's gonna be fucking funny.
And if it's not, it's all Joe Rogan's fault.
joe rogan
You see him aggressive.
andrew santino
Because you know how to get my goat.
Like you don't fucking know.
Watch the show.
Watch the show on...
joe rogan
You in town Thursday night?
andrew santino
No, I go to...
I'm in Philly this weekend.
joe rogan
Son of a bitch.
You leave when?
Thursday?
andrew santino
Thursday.
I'm in Philly all weekend.
joe rogan
Where are you?
andrew santino
Punchline in Philly.
joe rogan
Nice.
andrew santino
Come see me in Philly.
joe rogan
Nice.
Telling them good jokes.
andrew santino
Dom Herrera called me last night.
joe rogan
Who are you working with there?
andrew santino
An incredible young comic named Chris O'Connor, who's great, dude.
I say young comic.
He's my, you know, young guy, I mean.
He's a Philly guy, now lives in New York.
He's fucking phenomenal.
So he'll be out there with me having some fun, and then a local young, probably funny host, hopefully.
joe rogan
Beautiful.
Is tickets still available?
andrew santino
A few are still left.
A few are still left for Philly, and then I've got a bunch of dates.
Cincinnati, I'm going to fucking buttfuck Ohio, you know?
joe rogan
Is it Cheeto Santino?
Bro, he's shitting in Ohio again.
andrew santino
He knows it's all love.
joe rogan
Good luck going there.
They take Ohio seriously.
andrew santino
I'm doing Cincinnati and Cleveland at the end of the month.
All that stuff is on AndrewSantino.com and then you and I have some fun together in 420, baby.
joe rogan
That I'm excited for.
You, me, and the Golden Pony.
andrew santino
That's right.
joe rogan
We're flying all the way to Vancouver.
andrew santino
I can't wait for that.
joe rogan
There's still some tickets but not much.
A lot of nosebleeds left.
We're doing an arena on 420 in Vancouver.
andrew santino
And how many seats do you know?
Do you remember?
joe rogan
Thousands.
andrew santino
Thousands.
unidentified
Thousands and thousands.
andrew santino
Yeah, man, I'm happy.
joe rogan
It's like 13,000 or something like that.
andrew santino
I love doing it.
I love doing my own shows, and I love coming and doing your big fucking massive insane shows.
joe rogan
Those are ridiculous.
I'm still not used to them.
andrew santino
Arenas?
How could you ever get used to it?
It's such a weird...
unidentified
It's so weird.
andrew santino
But you don't love it as much as when we do theaters.
joe rogan
I love all of it.
andrew santino
You see, but don't you like theaters more connectivity-wise?
joe rogan
It is, but there's something wild about doing 14,000 people.
Like that San Diego 420 last year?
andrew santino
That was fucking wild.
That shit was wild.
Also, we got high before, and I thought I got nervous.
Like, I gotta do push-ups or sit-ups.
Of course you did.
I got too baked.
joe rogan
14,000 people in an arena on 420. It was awesome.
andrew santino
It's gonna happen again in Vancouver this year.
joe rogan
Yeah.
I'm excited.
All right.
Me too, brother.
No, it's Andrew Santino.
You should make it CheetosSantino.com.
andrew santino
No, it's CheetosSantino.
Oh, my website's Andrew Santino, but it's CheetosSantino across social media.
joe rogan
Who has CheetosSantino.com?
andrew santino
I can't fuck with Cheetos because Lay's will sue me.
joe rogan
But just get CheetosSantino.com so someone doesn't fuck it up.
andrew santino
I'm gonna do it before they shut me down.
joe rogan
Okay.
We should probably edit that part out so people don't hear it.
Goodbye, everybody!
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