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Jan. 31, 2020 - The Joe Rogan Experience
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Joe Rogan Experience #1420 - Mark Normand
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joe rogan
Ladies and gentlemen, Mark Norman!
mark normand
Hey, hey!
joe rogan
Did your thing come unplugged?
mark normand
No, no, I'm all good.
It just isn't as long as I hoped.
unidentified
Is it?
mark normand
Which I've heard before.
Ha!
No, we're good.
joe rogan
We're going to get new things with a box and a little wallet.
mark normand
Ooh!
joe rogan
Yeah, we're going to make it like a real radio show.
mark normand
Finally!
This thing's been slacking.
joe rogan
Yeah, I know.
That's what I've been saying, man.
Mm-hmm.
This little box right here that controls the volumes is just too complicated.
Nobody can figure out where the dial is for their thing.
mark normand
It's prehistoric, too.
That looks aged.
joe rogan
Does it?
mark normand
Yeah, it's a little weathered.
It's probably from all the weed smoke.
joe rogan
It's patina.
That's what they call it.
mark normand
Patina?
joe rogan
Patina.
mark normand
Is that in your maid?
joe rogan
No.
mark normand
Oh.
joe rogan
Patina's like the surface of an old car, when it has kind of like, or maybe a knife that's been kind of like slightly rusted.
mark normand
A little wear and tear.
joe rogan
Yes, yes.
People enjoy a patina.
mark normand
Ah, yes.
joe rogan
Like a fine wearing of a nice object.
mark normand
Like a MILF is a patina.
joe rogan
A little bit.
MILFs have a little bit of patina.
mark normand
I like a MILF. I like a crow's foot and an old labia.
You name it.
joe rogan
Yeah, a girl likes to do shots.
mark normand
Yeah, like a Tampa whore, you know?
joe rogan
Tampa!
mark normand
Yeah, I was just there.
joe rogan
Yeah, did you do the improv with the three floors?
mark normand
No, that room stinks.
I did the side splitters.
joe rogan
Oh, that's supposed to be a really good room.
mark normand
Great room.
Mom and Pop, been there forever.
You know, Richard Jenny's photos on the wall and all that shit.
joe rogan
It's old school.
God, that guy, he's one of my all-time favorites.
That Tampa Improv, does it still have the three floors?
mark normand
Yeah, yeah.
joe rogan
And the third floor is like ten seats?
mark normand
Yeah, Ybor City, everybody's hammered.
It's like Bourbon Street down there.
It's not great for comedy.
joe rogan
Last time I was there, which is quite a while ago, I got introduced by someone who wanted to...
unidentified
I want to introduce you to the local swinger community.
mark normand
Oh!
joe rogan
The people that are really into swinging in Tampa are...
Not people anybody wants to have sex with.
They find each other and they all just...
No one gives a shit.
You fuck her.
I'll fuck her.
I'll fuck him.
You fuck me.
mark normand
Did you look at them like a lineup kind of thing?
joe rogan
There was like 20 of them that came to the show.
mark normand
Not one fuckable weirdo?
joe rogan
I mean, listen.
Things can get ugly when you get hammered.
mark normand
Of course.
joe rogan
Of course.
mark normand
You should see my ex.
joe rogan
They weren't in the best of shape.
They didn't...
They didn't seem like they were concerned about the way they looked.
mark normand
Got it.
joe rogan
It seemed like they just got together and just fucked everybody.
Everybody fucked everybody.
mark normand
See, that might be the ruse.
I think they know they're ugly.
They want to get laid.
It's a perfect crime.
unidentified
Yeah.
joe rogan
Yeah, yeah, yeah.
mark normand
So, yeah, it's a smart move.
You get into a fuck club.
joe rogan
Yeah.
It's happened to me a couple times.
One time, Nashville.
This one guy was driving us around all weekend.
And then Sunday, the day he was taking us to the airport...
He's like, well, it was really nice to meet you guys.
Next time you guys are here, I'd love to take you to a swingers club.
I think I was with Hinchcliffe.
And we were both like, what?
And he's like, yeah, well, that's one of the things that I do.
I'm in sort of an open relationship with my woman.
So then we started questioning him, like, do you get a chance to see the guy she's going to bang?
He goes, yeah, yeah, and I also have veto power.
mark normand
Oh, wow!
But of course they want to bring you in, because he's the hero if he brings in a celeb.
unidentified
Oof.
mark normand
And then you get to bang the wife, they probably got headshots on the wall of all the other guys who fucked her.
joe rogan
He was not telling me to fucking, he's like saying, if you want to come watch, come hang out.
mark normand
I think that would be worth it.
I would get some popcorn and go nuts.
joe rogan
Popcorn, a fucking operating mask.
unidentified
Yeah.
mark normand
Yeah, exactly.
Like a coronavirus Asian.
joe rogan
Yeah, some fucking rubber gloves you used to wash dishes with.
unidentified
Like, what?
joe rogan
What am I doing here?
What am I touching?
mark normand
Yeah, yeah.
Maybe a laser pointer just to fuck with them.
joe rogan
Yeah, they had.
Well, they used to have those.
I've never been to an actual sex club in L.A., but a buddy of mine has been to one.
And he said, you know, you go into this room and all these weird red light bulbs and everybody's banging everybody.
mark normand
Yeah.
Well, do you ever watch those Dancing Bear videos?
joe rogan
No.
Oh, man, J-Mo.
mark normand
Pull it up!
He's gonna get wood.
jamie vernon
I can't pull it up.
mark normand
It's called CFNM, Clothed Female Naked Male.
And it's so hot!
Because it's the woman in charge, and it's a bunch of dude strippers who come in with bear hats on, like bear masks, and they're in a speedo, and they just start dancing.
Eventually they're getting blown, they're fucking the chicken from accounting, and banging Debra from sales, and it's kind of...
Oh, mediocre looking women getting railed by these studs.
joe rogan
Really?
mark normand
And it's great because they like it.
joe rogan
And they keep the masks on?
mark normand
Oh, yeah.
joe rogan
So why do the guys keep the masks on?
mark normand
Well, it's just because it's anonymous.
It's hotter.
It's just a fuck object.
joe rogan
Oh, right.
So the woman can flip the switch and detach and just enjoy the physical pleasure of it.
mark normand
And it's like a bachelorette party or an office party or something, and it's killer.
It's always in an office setting or something.
joe rogan
She doesn't have to look in the eye of the man and feel shame and weirdness.
mark normand
Yeah, and when the women are turned on, it's so much hotter.
All we see all day is dudes like, come on, let me fuck you.
But when the woman's taking charge, it's better.
You feel better about what you're watching.
joe rogan
Yeah.
They get jaded, though.
I used to know some guys from martial arts that used to do male stripping, and they get real jaded.
Oh, really?
Yeah, they get real weirded out by it after a while.
mark normand
That makes sense.
joe rogan
Women screaming at you.
mark normand
Yeah.
joe rogan
A lot of ladies looking to cheat on their man.
mark normand
Right, right.
And maybe the first day it's fun, but after a while you're like, ah.
joe rogan
And then...
mark normand
This is somebody's aunt.
joe rogan
The other thing comes is that guys want to hire them.
Guys want to hire them to strip, and then they have to make these decisions.
Like, okay, how much do I let them touch my butt?
mark normand
That's it.
It's funny when gay guys around, a guy turns into like the woman.
unidentified
Exactly.
mark normand
He's like, hey, respect me!
joe rogan
Yeah.
mark normand
You know?
The roles are reversed.
joe rogan
Well, it's...
It's all guys.
It's guys being a problem.
mark normand
It's always guys.
joe rogan
Yeah, it's always guys being a problem.
mark normand
You should see my DMs, man.
It's just ball sacks and dick jerking and gay dudes.
Like hot dudes sometimes who are just like, hey, the things I would drain your asshole and this and that.
unidentified
Oh, yeah.
mark normand
I find it flattering.
joe rogan
Why do you think they're going after you?
mark normand
I think I got a Twinkie otter vibe, you know?
joe rogan
Otter?
mark normand
That's one of those gay terms.
They got otter, bear.
joe rogan
I knew about bear.
mark normand
Yeah, there's a bunch.
J-Mo, you know them all.
unidentified
There's a whole zoo full of- What's an otter?
mark normand
Otter's like a thin, medium-sized guy.
joe rogan
Oh, you're a medium-sized guy.
mark normand
Like, the little guy would be like a twink.
I don't know what Brad Williams would be.
He'd be like a Hershey's Kiss or something.
joe rogan
Koala bear.
mark normand
There you go!
Yeah, he does have chlamydia.
joe rogan
Koala bears have chlamydia?
mark normand
All of them.
Yeah.
True story.
unidentified
Google!
joe rogan
Imagine if that's where chlamydia came from.
Somebody had to fuck a koala bear.
mark normand
Well, apparently we got AIDS from a monkey, so maybe koala gave us chlamyd.
joe rogan
Do you know where that actually comes from?
It's not from someone fucking a monkey.
A bite?
No, it was someone who hunted a monkey.
mark normand
Handjob?
joe rogan
No, cut the monkey and cut his hand and got monkey blood in his hand while he was butchering a monkey.
mark normand
Oh, that makes more sense.
joe rogan
Yeah, yeah.
mark normand
Because who's fucking a monkey?
joe rogan
David Chappelle had a bit about it.
unidentified
I remember that.
joe rogan
100% infection rate.
mark normand
100%!
joe rogan
Wild fucking...
That is insane.
Wild koalas have 100% infection rate of chlamydia.
For two decades, scientists have brought wild koalas into wildlife hospitals to treat their chlamydia with antibiotics.
mark normand
I've had chlamydia six times in my life.
Can't we give them a penicillin shot?
joe rogan
Well, they'd have to go grab all of them.
Well, you know, they're...
Really in deep, deep trouble because of the wildfires in Australia.
They said that something like 80% of their habitat's been destroyed.
The fires over there are insane.
I did a benefit Sunday night with Monty Franklin, Whitney Cummings, and Jim Jeffries.
mark normand
Oh, wow.
joe rogan
We did a benefit for the wildlife fires.
mark normand
Jeffries must be getting his door knocked down with that shit.
joe rogan
Oh, I'm sure, yeah.
Well, Monty Franklin's Australian as well.
This was a double Australian, double American card.
mark normand
Oh, boy.
joe rogan
Wild.
mark normand
Yeah.
joe rogan
It was a fun show.
But when you see the devastation, it's crazy.
70% of Australia is covered in smoke.
unidentified
Whoa!
joe rogan
70%.
And it's as big as the United States.
mark normand
Ah, that's a bummer.
joe rogan
Yeah.
It's crazy.
And they basically have no way of stopping it.
I mean, unless the rains put it out or it burns all the way to the coast.
mark normand
Yeah, it's a stupid question, but what is the money going to do?
I know it helps people who are burned.
unidentified
It's for wildlife.
joe rogan
The money is all for wildlife.
A lot of them have been burned.
They had a little bit of a presentation.
Some of them they've rescued, and they have to put them back into suitable habitat.
The money is going to wildlife.
I mean, you're not going to fix...
The devastation by the fire in terms of the plants and the houses and stuff like that.
You can only hope those people whose homes burnt down had some sort of insurance, but how much fucking insurance money is there?
So many houses got wrecked.
What is the number now?
How many houses have been burnt to the ground in Australia currently?
mark normand
Yeah, because all you hear about is the animals.
joe rogan
Yeah, well, it's a billion animals.
That's why.
A billion animals are dead.
unidentified
Wow.
mark normand
So this will be in history books.
joe rogan
Yeah.
Oh, yeah.
mark normand
Oh, boy.
joe rogan
Dude, just think about a fucking billion animals are dead from a fire.
I mean, that's insane.
mark normand
Yeah.
That's going to change the ecosystem.
joe rogan
Oh, for sure.
Though the ecosystem over there is weird anyway.
mark normand
Oh, they got spiders that kill birds.
joe rogan
Yeah.
mark normand
That's insane.
joe rogan
They have a bunch of shit that's not supposed to be there, too.
mark normand
Oh, really?
joe rogan
Yeah.
So many of their animals are invasive species.
mark normand
What about the aborigines?
Because they live in huts and shit, right?
unidentified
Whew.
joe rogan
Yeah, I mean, what about them, right?
mark normand
I didn't even think about that.
joe rogan
They're fucked.
I don't think they live in huts for the most part.
I think a lot of them live in normal communities.
You probably did.
mark normand
Crocodile Dundee.
That's all I know.
That and Arch Barker.
joe rogan
They have so many different languages, the Aborigines do, that they could go like 20 miles away and not have any idea what those guys over there are saying.
mark normand
Yeah.
Wow.
joe rogan
And most of those languages aren't even written down, apparently.
mark normand
Really?
joe rogan
Yeah.
My buddy Adam Greentree is from Australia, and he runs a mining company.
And they hire a lot of the folks that are Aborigines.
And, you know, he's gotten to be very close with a lot of them and kind of gotten to know their culture and understand their culture.
It's really, really strange.
They're scattered all over the country, and so many of them have, they call them mobs, like a tribe is a mob, and they have a different language than another mob that's like 30 miles away.
mark normand
Are they dangerous?
joe rogan
What do you mean?
mark normand
Like, do they fight each other and stuff?
joe rogan
I don't know.
That's a good question.
mark normand
Yeah, I don't know.
I went to Australia for the Melbourne Comedy Fest, and I was bummed at how not different it was.
It's not that different.
joe rogan
From America?
unidentified
Yeah.
joe rogan
No, Melbourne's real close.
mark normand
Right.
joe rogan
Fantastic food.
mark normand
Great food, great place, great people.
joe rogan
That laugh lounge is awesome, too.
mark normand
Yeah, yeah, good club.
joe rogan
Great club.
Great comics over there, too.
unidentified
Very good.
joe rogan
They're into it.
mark normand
Very good.
Although, they didn't like the dark stuff, I noticed.
unidentified
Really?
mark normand
Yeah, well, I think there's so much...
Excuse me.
There's so much...
That coffee, man.
That turmeric is going right up my asshole.
joe rogan
Laird Hamilton superfood.
mark normand
Oh, yeah.
Love to watch him masturbate.
But yeah, the audiences there were very tense when I got dark.
unidentified
Really?
mark normand
I think because they have some real racial problems and they're kind of behind the times a little bit on stuff.
So I think they're like, hey, look, that shit's happening.
We're not laughing at it yet.
joe rogan
Oh, right, right.
Okay.
Well, you know, in the 1950s, just, I mean, not that long ago, they were actually taking Aboriginal babies from the parents and trying to raise them.
Yeah.
mark normand
Well, at least that's good intent.
joe rogan
They should have probably asked first.
mark normand
Oh, they just took them?
joe rogan
I don't know.
I'm not that informed, but some Australian people were trying to explain to me how the relations are very fucked up.
mark normand
Right.
Wow, so the Aborigines get their babies stolen by honkies.
Mm-hmm.
I don't know.
In a weird way, the mom's got to kind of be like, well, it's a better life.
unidentified
I don't think so.
mark normand
They got a TV. I think she misses her mom.
Yeah, I guess you're right.
joe rogan
She misses her daughter.
I don't know, man.
It's not good.
mark normand
Either way, donate to the chlamydia.
joe rogan
Yeah.
So how many houses have been burnt down?
Do they even know?
jamie vernon
I probably don't know exactly.
I saw one thing that said in New South Wales alone there was 3,000 houses, but another thing said that that was the number.
So I don't know if it's 3,000 total or just in that area.
mark normand
That's not too bad.
joe rogan
It could be worse.
mark normand
Yeah.
joe rogan
Yeah, 3,000.
I mean, there were 600 last year just in Malibu.
mark normand
Oh, shit.
I forgot about that.
joe rogan
Yeah.
Damn.
Yeah.
mark normand
Oh, the fires.
Water can fuck you.
Fire can fuck you.
Everything can fuck you.
joe rogan
Everything can fuck you.
mark normand
Yeah, it's crazy.
How long do we stop saying that's fire?
That's going to be insensitive after a while.
joe rogan
Yeah, everything's going to be insensitive.
Well, if we let people, let the woke brigade keep taking away words.
We'll be down to grunts and pointing at things.
Everything will be offensive.
mark normand
Because if you keep progressing, something's got to stop.
Everything goes.
joe rogan
Everything goes, eventually.
And then even grunts and pointing at things will be offensive to people who are deaf who use sign language.
Because now you're culturally appropriating from sign language people.
mark normand
I was driving here on the highway and I thought, man, the carpool lane's insensitive to lonely single people.
Like, what if you don't have a friend?
What if I don't know a guy?
joe rogan
You get an electric vehicle.
You can ride in the carpool lane.
mark normand
Is that right?
joe rogan
Yes.
unidentified
Ah.
mark normand
There's the loophole for the losers out there.
joe rogan
Oh, it's one of the best reasons to have a Tesla.
mark normand
Yeah.
joe rogan
Yeah.
Get that fucking left lane, baby.
mark normand
So many Teslas in this town.
This is such a wacky, backwards la-la land over here.
joe rogan
Oh, it is.
mark normand
Chipotle's got a fucking valet in L.A. Yes!
unidentified
Really?
mark normand
I went twice today.
Wow.
I love Chipotle.
joe rogan
It's wacky.
mark normand
It's wacky, man.
I mean, it's so beautiful.
I was telling him, I'm pitching a show again that'll never sell, but I went to Fox a lot, and it's all these good-looking girls with their shoes kicked off, laying on a picnic table, drinking a coffee.
I'm like, you don't know what you got, whore!
This is an amazing life!
You don't have any respect and any gratefulness and appreciation.
joe rogan
How do you know they don't?
They're just enjoying the day.
mark normand
She's going, ah, my phone is not working fast enough.
I hate her!
Fucking God!
I live in New York.
We're all up each other's ass.
There's a rat on my dick.
It's five degrees outside.
My apartment's the size of J-Mo's asshole.
I'm fucked.
unidentified
Wow.
mark normand
And these gals are kicking their feet up.
joe rogan
Who's J-Mo?
unidentified
Me.
joe rogan
Oh, you.
mark normand
Sorry.
joe rogan
I thought it was a new girl that I don't know about.
mark normand
Oh.
joe rogan
Some new it lady.
mark normand
Right, right.
joe rogan
My favorite video in New York is the rat that's killing the pigeon.
Did you ever see that video?
mark normand
No, I never saw that.
I saw Pizza Rat.
joe rogan
Yeah, Pizza Rat ain't shit on pigeon killing rat.
The fucking rat's killing a pigeon.
mark normand
Wow, it's like the woke brigade.
They're attacking each other.
joe rogan
Yeah, very similar.
Taking the pigeon down and attacking it.
The pigeon tries to flood away and the rat fucking chases it.
I didn't know rats were predatory.
I thought they were mostly just scavengers.
I didn't know they would actually go after a live thing and attack it and kill it.
mark normand
Yeah, desperation, man.
Was it in the subway area or was it on the street?
joe rogan
I think it was on the street, because I don't think pigeons actually go into the subway.
mark normand
That's a good point.
joe rogan
For the most part.
mark normand
Good point.
joe rogan
Unless they get fucked over and they don't know how to get out.
mark normand
Seen a few in an airport before.
joe rogan
Oh, here it is.
So here's this pigeon, and this rat is trying to walk off with this fucking pigeon.
And it's as big as him.
That's what's crazy.
mark normand
Bitch-ass pigeon, though.
Like, come on, flap it up!
joe rogan
Well, they have some big fucking teeth, these cunty rats.
mark normand
You know, they never stop...
joe rogan
It's got them by the neck.
Look at that.
mark normand
They never stop growing rats' teeth.
Really?
Yeah, they have to keep...
That's why they're always gnawing, because they're partly filing them down.
Give it a gook!
joe rogan
Oh, Jesus.
mark normand
I know any more animal facts than you.
joe rogan
I actually do remember that, now that you bring that up.
mark normand
Ah, sure you do.
unidentified
Nice pull there, Jojo Rabbit.
joe rogan
Look at this fucking thing.
And the pigeon gets away at one point, slightly right there.
But look at him.
Chase it down.
Chase like, no, no, no, bitch.
No, no, no, bitch.
Get the fuck over here.
unidentified
Damn.
joe rogan
The pigeon's so damaged, it can't get away totally.
It can't fly.
So eventually he drags it through the hole in the fence and fucks it up.
mark normand
That's the scariest when you go into their lair.
And the pigeon knows that.
He's like, I can't get off the street.
joe rogan
Look at it, it's mounting him.
It's got his back, a bite in the back of his head.
mark normand
That's like Khabib.
joe rogan
Yeah, very similar.
mark normand
Holy shit.
joe rogan
Just can't get away, he's smashing you.
I just didn't know they killed things.
mark normand
Yeah.
joe rogan
I thought they only just ate stuff that was laying around, and I thought there was so much food in New York City, they were just running around eating everything.
They eat each other.
I do know that.
mark normand
Oh, really?
joe rogan
I do know that because I had a trap.
I lived in Encino, and I was renting this house, and the house had a lot of rats.
And I leave my garbage in the garage and put it out in the morning, and I was seeing these rats.
So I set a trap.
mark normand
Not mice, rats.
joe rogan
Fucking rats.
Big rats.
So I hear, snap!
unidentified
Snap!
joe rogan
So I go out to check and there's a fat boy that's got his head crushed in this trap.
I mean, he's dead as fuck.
So I'm like, okay, I'll just get it in the morning.
I don't want to deal with that right now.
So I get up in the morning and the only thing that's left is the tail.
They ate everything.
They ate everything.
There was like the feet.
And the tail.
All the guts, the body, the spinal cord, everything.
It was just like a stain and the tail.
So rat tails are so disgusting that even rats don't eat rat tails.
There's a lesson there.
mark normand
You hear that, rednecks?
Get rid of those rat tails.
joe rogan
I'm talking to you, Theo Vaughn.
mark normand
Here's the move.
You poison a rat, then get it in the trap, then they eat the rat, then they get poisoned.
That could be something.
joe rogan
Yeah, you could.
But the problem with poisoning rats is a lot of times it doesn't kill them immediately, and then coyotes get it, and then they get poisoned, and then mountain lions kill the poisoned coyotes.
Or they kill the rats.
unidentified
Right.
joe rogan
So owls also get killed by rat poison.
It's a real problem with owls.
Because a lot of people leave rat poison outside their house.
And then the rats eat the poison.
They get weakened.
Then the owl comes in and eats them.
mark normand
Circle of life.
joe rogan
Circle of life.
mark normand
Damn.
You lived in New York?
joe rogan
Yes.
mark normand
You had mice, I'm sure.
joe rogan
Oh, yeah.
mark normand
Yeah.
joe rogan
I lived in New Rochelle, though.
I never lived in the city.
I couldn't afford to live in the city when I lived up there.
It's right next to the Bronx.
mark normand
Okay.
Okay.
Yeah, those mice, man.
joe rogan
Oh, yeah.
Mice are everywhere.
mark normand
They're brutal, and they really...
I'm so scared of them.
I know it's like a wussy thing, but when they're running around, I just jump up on the table.
Yeah, I can't handle it.
It's brutal.
I have to call a masculine friend to help me.
Even when they're on the trap screaming, I don't know what to do.
I take a broomstick, I stick it to the sticky trap, and then I go outside and put it in the garbage can.
joe rogan
While they're still alive?
mark normand
Yeah.
joe rogan
So you let them just suffocate out there or whatever?
mark normand
Yeah, yeah, that's on them.
unidentified
Fuck them.
mark normand
You figure it out.
joe rogan
It's a weird system, right?
The ecosystem of rats and mice and humans.
It's a strange thing.
There's a lot of them.
mark normand
And they've killed us with the plague.
Apparently that was all rats.
joe rogan
Well, it's the fleas, really.
Fleas from, I think, Crimea came over on boats attached to rats, and then the rats ran through Europe and fucked everybody up.
mark normand
Crimea River.
joe rogan
You can't help yourself.
mark normand
I can't.
I'm sorry.
I love words.
joe rogan
Did you ever see the Netflix documentary called Rats?
mark normand
No.
joe rogan
Oh my god, you have to.
mark normand
I don't know if I want to.
joe rogan
You have to.
You just go, what?
First of all, they all have diseases.
mark normand
Oh yeah.
joe rogan
All of them.
I mean, you just don't come in contact with them.
But if they bit you, you're fucked.
Most rats are fucked.
mark normand
Yeah.
joe rogan
They did all these tests on rats in different parts of the country, too.
And New York City is...
I think they said...
It's either the number of rats is the same as the number of people that live in New York City or the biomass.
I'm not sure which one, but both of them are equally terrifying.
mark normand
Yeah.
joe rogan
If it's the biomass, it's actually more terrifying, right?
Because it means there's so many rats that it's the same mass of bodies as there are of human beings.
But I don't think they really know.
I mean, are there any fucking surveyors down there in the subways?
How do they know?
mark normand
How could you know?
Also, if you measure the weight of all human beings and all ants, it's even.
joe rogan
Yeah, I know that.
mark normand
Oh, damn!
I thought I had you again.
joe rogan
No, I knew that one.
mark normand
I love a fun fact.
joe rogan
That's a weird one, right?
mark normand
Yeah.
Ants are freaky, too, man.
They said if an ant was our size, it would be faster than a Ferrari.
joe rogan
Whoa!
mark normand
Give it a gook!
joe rogan
Yeah.
Callen, at one point in time, Brian Callen wanted to be, what is it, what's the type of person who studies?
jamie vernon
Entomologist.
joe rogan
Entomologists?
mark normand
Is that like phrases?
joe rogan
Right.
Etymology is words.
Entomology is study of insects.
Oh.
Yeah, and so he did some time in the jungle.
mark normand
Oh.
joe rogan
And they'd have to put turpentine all over the posts of these platforms that the tents would be on because there were so many ants on the jungle floor that he said he was lying in bed.
You could hear the ants.
unidentified
Ah!
Ah!
joe rogan
You can hear them walking.
mark normand
In sync.
joe rogan
Yeah, and when they get on something, there's so many of them.
mark normand
Yeah, they swarm.
joe rogan
They kill elephants.
mark normand
Come on.
joe rogan
They climb up the elephant's body and go right into its ear and just start eating its brain.
mark normand
Oh!
Man, what can an elephant do?
joe rogan
Fucking nothing.
mark normand
It doesn't take it.
It doesn't have hands to move it.
joe rogan
It's not a goddamn thing it can do.
Unless it's really close to a giant river and it can jump in and try to drown those little cunts.
unidentified
Yeah.
mark normand
Oh, man.
unidentified
Right?
mark normand
Brutal.
joe rogan
Brutal.
mark normand
What a way to go.
unidentified
It's amazing.
mark normand
We've lived as human.
How did we survive primitively?
joe rogan
Well, we got lucky, but then we got smart, and when we got smart, then we started overpopulating.
unidentified
Yeah.
joe rogan
Because then we figured out all these different ways that nature was kind of keeping our bodies in check, keeping our numbers in check.
mark normand
Mm-hmm.
joe rogan
You know, like we have systems for rats and mice and all these different things to keep them in check.
Well, nature sort of had a way to keep humans in check.
Predators, diseases, starvation, injury.
mark normand
So you're saying we beat nature?
joe rogan
We beat nature.
mark normand
Which is probably why we're so fucked up mentally, because we're not supposed to beat nature.
joe rogan
Well, we're a little too safe, for sure.
mark normand
For sure.
joe rogan
We're all contained in these buildings where no predators can get assed.
We all get doughy like little fucking human water balloons.
mark normand
Right, and one inkling of discomfort, and we have to fix it and work on it, bitch.
joe rogan
We complain.
Yeah, we're getting our jaw shaved down to look prettier.
jamie vernon
Just digging through rats in New York.
They don't know how many there are.
There's a system of 250,000 to tens of millions.
But this is a new trap that was put out in Brooklyn.
This is a video of them, I guess, testing it.
It's an alcohol trap where they fall into this bucket of alcohol and they drown.
And here in the video, that's why I'm showing it, they open up these buckets.
Oh!
unidentified
Oh!
joe rogan
It's filled with dead rats.
jamie vernon
So it works.
joe rogan
These guys have to touch these things.
I wouldn't trust it with just little rubber gloves on.
mark normand
I know, I know.
joe rogan
And so it's just full of dead rats.
unidentified
Can we use those?
mark normand
We should be able to use those for something.
joe rogan
For fuel.
mark normand
Yeah.
joe rogan
Yeah, burn them to heat your house.
mark normand
Might as well.
joe rogan
Yeah, why can't they?
Look at them.
unidentified
Scoop it out.
mark normand
Oh, good size.
joe rogan
It's a good size.
mark normand
Decent.
joe rogan
Decent size.
mark normand
Like at least feed jungle or what are you, zoo animals or something.
unidentified
Right.
mark normand
Like a snake.
joe rogan
Yeah, right?
unidentified
Yeah.
mark normand
Yeah, you gotta use the buffalo.
joe rogan
But, you know, the coronavirus, the Wuhan coronavirus, whatever it is, they think that came from snakes.
mark normand
Ah!
joe rogan
Maybe that's what happened in China.
Maybe they fed a fucking rat to a snake, and next thing you know, Jed's a millionaire.
unidentified
There you go.
joe rogan
Jamie actually has a conspiracy theory about that.
unidentified
Do you know?
Whoa.
jamie vernon
I didn't make this up.
mark normand
I know you hate Asians.
I just read it online.
joe rogan
Well, I'm saying you have one.
I mean, I'm not saying that it's like you've been putting it out there.
jamie vernon
It's like it's mine in my back pocket of conspiracy theories.
joe rogan
What is the conspiracy theory?
Was that there's some sort of a bioweapons thing?
jamie vernon
Yeah, I'll Google it.
mark normand
I'm so glad I never got bitten by the conspiracy bug.
jamie vernon
A biolab for the most dangerous pathogens on earth.
mark normand
Well, the Chinese have always got something cooking.
They're ahead of us.
joe rogan
In a lot of ways.
mark normand
Every way.
Maybe comedically we got them.
joe rogan
Yeah, but we don't even know because we don't speak their language.
mark normand
Ah, that's a good point.
joe rogan
Maybe their comedy is, like, because of the language structure, maybe their comedy is way better.
mark normand
Well, they've got more words and letters and characters, but I've been over there to their comedy clubs in Shanghai, and they weren't great.
joe rogan
China built a lab to study SARS and Ebola in Wuhan, and the U.S. biosafety experts warned in 2017 that a virus could escape the facility that's become key in fighting the outbreak.
But wait a minute, what is this article from?
The Daily Mail?
jamie vernon
I just found a place that had the best headline and a place for you to read it.
joe rogan
Daily Mail's a wee bit suspect, lad.
mark normand
Yeah.
joe rogan
A wee bit suspect.
A little bit outrageous with their captions.
A little bit clickbaity.
mark normand
Well, everything's clickbaity now.
joe rogan
They kind of have to be, man.
I mean, that's how they make money.
mark normand
Sure, but where's the integrity?
How do you sleep at night?
joe rogan
They sleep on a pile of money.
mark normand
I guess so.
jamie vernon
This is the Chinese website for it.
joe rogan
Academy of Sciences, Large Research Infrastructures per User Surface Platform.
jamie vernon
It's translated from Chinese.
joe rogan
Oh, I guess so.
Yeah.
Wow.
Wuhan National Biosafety Laboratory.
Look, they have an award.
Look, we have an award.
mark normand
Look at that.
joe rogan
I love when people stand by awards.
Like, look, look, we are better.
mark normand
Yeah.
joe rogan
Like, that's a weird picture, right?
Two people standing there holding an award.
mark normand
Yeah.
joe rogan
Look what we won.
mark normand
Right.
joe rogan
We're flossing.
mark normand
You don't do corporate gigs anymore.
unidentified
No.
mark normand
Well, I did one over the holidays because I had like seven of them.
They pay amazing.
I had to wear a tuxedo.
I did a pharmaceutical awards.
I got fired within 15 minutes.
unidentified
It was supposed to be three hours.
mark normand
There's such queefs over there.
It's a ballroom, round tables, tuxedo, beautiful hotel in Philly.
They got me a limo out there.
Crazy money.
And I was supposed to, you know, like Ricky Gervais the whole thing.
You know, be an awards guy, present it, talk to him, have a speech.
And...
I just did my clean act, the act I used to open for Seinfeld, and a lady got offended, and it happened to be the CEO's wife.
joe rogan
Oh, Jesus.
mark normand
And she bitched him out, and then he bitched me out, and they fired me.
joe rogan
Wow.
That's pay anyway?
mark normand
I got paid.
joe rogan
When?
mark normand
Yeah, but it's just disheartening.
You go, hey, twats, these jokes have worked on The Tonight Show.
What do you want?
joe rogan
Yeah, the Tonight Show's pretty milked.
mark normand
Yes!
unidentified
Squeaky!
joe rogan
Pretty squeaky.
Now, how far along were you?
You said 15 minutes into your act.
Were you ramping up the offensiveness?
mark normand
No.
Well, I do 15 minutes of jokes out of the gate to open it, and then you do the awards for the whole thing's like two and a half hours.
And I had a stack of cards like, Trisobadibadoo wins for best whatever, muscle relaxer.
joe rogan
So what did the guy say to you when he fired you?
mark normand
He said, my wife is offended.
How dare you?
It was offensive to women.
I did a joke about vibrators.
And he was like, you gotta get out of here.
joe rogan
That's offensive to women?
mark normand
I know!
The joke is how the vibrator's better than me, you know?
Like, I'm the loser.
joe rogan
Why is that offensive?
mark normand
I think she was looking for something.
And maybe they haven't fucked in six years.
It's always some deep-rooted thing.
joe rogan
And she's drinking, and she's on Adderall, and she's like, off with his head!
I can't do that, I'll just fire him.
mark normand
Exactly, and firing me is a fun power move.
It gets you ramped up, look what I can do, look at the power I wield.
joe rogan
Right, and then she tells all her friends, you know, I fired the comedian.
mark normand
Exactly.
joe rogan
What a piece of shit he is.
Mark Norman, don't ever go to a show.
mark normand
I can't tell you how many emails I got.
Hey, I thought you were funny.
When you're coming to Helium, I'm coming.
I couldn't laugh next to my boss.
And I was like, God, you idiots.
Have some balls.
joe rogan
Live it in that world, man.
That corporate world.
mark normand
Yeah, I'm like, you're all drug dealers.
You sell drugs and you're mad at me for making a yuck-em-up?
I don't get it.
We're all backwards, priority-wise.
You make a coronavirus joke, nobody cares.
You make a Kobe joke and you're the devil.
But it's like, way more people died with corona.
I'm not saying either one is...
joe rogan
It's a person.
It's a person.
I guess that's what it is.
Plus, there's the cult of personality, famous person, well-loved, and then died with his daughter, and then died with six other people.
There's a lot of things.
mark normand
I guess you're right.
But isn't that all fascinating?
Because your body knows immediately.
Oh, that was too far.
That's fine.
joe rogan
Well, wasn't that something that Stalin said, that one death is a tragedy, a million deaths is a statistic?
mark normand
Oh, I like that.
joe rogan
Was that Stalin?
It was Stalin or someone in World War II. I think it was Stalin.
But it's, yeah, we get lost in numbers.
Like, when someone says, like, the universe is 14 billion years old, you're like, okay...
What does that even mean?
mark normand
Yeah, exactly.
joe rogan
I can't do that.
unidentified
Right.
joe rogan
That's in my head, and it's just like, a bunch of zeros.
mark normand
Also, Kobe was here, and China's a zillion miles away.
Right.
It's in your backyard kind of thing.
joe rogan
Well, here's a statistic you probably didn't know.
50 people die every year in swimming pools.
mark normand
Oh.
joe rogan
Just in the United States.
mark normand
That seems got to be more than that.
joe rogan
No.
unidentified
50?
joe rogan
Yeah, we're getting better.
Come on.
5-0.
But every day.
mark normand
Well, how about gun deaths?
I bet a swimming pool is more dangerous than a gun in the home.
joe rogan
Oh, yeah.
I don't think 50 people die every day from guns.
jamie vernon
You said every year.
You meant every day.
joe rogan
Did I say every year?
jamie vernon
Yeah, yeah.
mark normand
Oh, that's what I was going to say.
joe rogan
I'm sorry.
mark normand
50 in L.A. alone.
joe rogan
Yeah, I need more coffee.
Yeah, every day.
Thank you, Jamie.
mark normand
50 a day.
joe rogan
50 a day in swimming pools.
Want to hear another good one?
unidentified
Yeah.
joe rogan
150 people die every year because coconuts fall on their heads.
mark normand
Oh, that's a cartoon.
That's classic.
You just picture that lump coming up, you know?
joe rogan
I think that's worldwide, though.
mark normand
That's great.
I mean, how do you do the funeral for that one?
joe rogan
You just go, well, what are you going to do?
unidentified
Yeah.
mark normand
Coconuts.
joe rogan
Coconut will fuck you up, man.
On one of those really tall trees.
mark normand
Sure.
You know, it's a big one in New York.
The AC falls on people.
joe rogan
Oh, Jesus Christ.
mark normand
That's a big one.
That happens all the time.
joe rogan
Oh, fuck, man.
mark normand
Yeah.
joe rogan
Oh, my God.
mark normand
And cows kill more people than sharks a year.
joe rogan
Really?
mark normand
Sharks are...
It's almost like black people where it's just sexier to talk about it, you know?
But the cows are actually the ones killing more people.
joe rogan
Cows kill more people than sharks.
mark normand
Give it a goog.
jamie vernon
The coconut thing might be an exaggerated situation.
joe rogan
You shut your mouth.
jamie vernon
I'm sorry.
joe rogan
Shut your mouth.
jamie vernon
There's a whole Wikipedia thing.
joe rogan
Yeah, I've gone through that.
Yeah, they don't really know.
Well, some days people get better at it.
They wear helmets.
They avoid the trees.
Some years.
mark normand
Why not wear a helmet every day?
joe rogan
Well, they're probably poor and they want a coconut.
mark normand
Yeah, I guess it's a good point.
joe rogan
If you're trying to climb a tree and the coconut just nails you halfway down and then you fall, that's a double whammy.
mark normand
Good point.
unidentified
Good point.
Right?
joe rogan
Bonk.
Yeah.
Splat.
mark normand
It feels like a 70s arcade game, you know?
joe rogan
Have you seen those guys climb the trees?
Fuck, man.
Those guys get up high, too.
mark normand
Amazing.
joe rogan
And they're basically just clinging.
mark normand
Yeah.
joe rogan
And pulling themselves and clinging and pulling themselves.
mark normand
Right.
joe rogan
I saw a video of these guys in the Amazon climbing trees, and it's like, what the fuck?
They were kids.
They were like 12-year-old kids, and they were 200 feet in the air.
mark normand
Wow.
joe rogan
Just shimmying their way up this tree.
Like, goddamn.
mark normand
Unbelievable.
I wonder if they'll evolve differently, because it's a different muscles.
joe rogan
Well, you know what it is?
They're feet.
Are much stronger and they look different.
Have you ever seen what happens when people walk barefoot in the jungle all the time?
Their feet spread out.
Their fingers spread out like hands.
Their feet look really weird, man.
They splay out.
Our feet are like they're in a cast because we're in shoes all the time.
But their feet actually go out in directions.
mark normand
Interesting.
joe rogan
Their big toes point left and right, and then everything else sort of goes out when you spread your fingers.
Jamie, find me some jungle bear feet, because it's creepy.
I was taught this by my friend Steve Rinella, who went to Guyana and was hanging out with these people in the jungle, and he was like, you can't recognize their feet.
It's like, what is going on with your feet?
They're unrecognizable.
mark normand
Yeah.
joe rogan
Because, look, that's their feet.
Look at that.
mark normand
Oh, wow!
joe rogan
Isn't that crazy?
mark normand
It's crazy.
It looks like a webbed foot, like a duck.
joe rogan
It says, the Amazon tribe that kills and eats monkeys.
Well, you should say all Amazon tribes that have access to monkeys, because apparently they love monkeys.
mark normand
Uh-huh.
joe rogan
But, yeah, look at his feet, man.
But go to that one picture.
Like, look at that.
That is insane, man.
Oh, wow.
It's because they're always gripping the surface of the ground, so they develop all this strength...
And thickness.
Like, look how thick their toes are.
mark normand
Right.
Doesn't that left side monkey look like it's got its dong?
joe rogan
It does look like its dong.
mark normand
It's like perfect positioning.
joe rogan
It's real weird, right?
They look a lot like when you see primates, other than the primates have that little thumb.
mark normand
Yeah, right.
You know what would be interesting is to cut one of them open and then cut you open.
How much more shit you would have in you?
Because you eat all this process...
I mean, you eat still pretty well, but they've never had caffeine, they've never had a drop of alcohol, never had a cigarette, never had a hamburger.
They would just be pink, I bet.
joe rogan
They eat a lot of monkeys, though.
mark normand
Ah, that's all natural.
joe rogan
Yeah, I guess.
Except for the AIDS. I don't think you get AIDS from those monkeys.
mark normand
Oh, okay.
joe rogan
I think you gotta go to Africa.
I think it's actually, I think it's chimps more than it is monkeys.
It's so weird, though, the feet thing.
mark normand
That's crazy.
joe rogan
Yeah, there was a great Radiolab episode.
Oh, I love Radiolab.
Yeah, it's an awesome podcast, but on Patient Zero, where they were trying to figure out what How did HIV come from?
Who was the first person to get it?
And they think they narrowed it down to a hunter that had killed.
Because they do something called bushmeat in a lot of these really poor areas where they basically just shoot everything and just chop it up and whatever you can eat.
Whether it's a monkey or a giraffe or whatever the fuck you kill.
mark normand
Sure.
Yeah, those are tough people.
Those naked and afraids, even.
I'm like, I don't know if I can do it.
joe rogan
Naked and afraid.
They can kiss my ass.
Those people probably get all kinds of crazy fucking parasites.
mark normand
Yeah, bug bites and food poisoning.
They eat berries and pond water and shit.
joe rogan
Dickfish.
Fish that swim up your dickhole.
Do you know that that's real?
mark normand
No.
joe rogan
Yeah, there's certain, especially in the Amazon...
If you urinate in the water in the Amazon, there's certain little tiny fish that are actually attracted to the smell and the temperature of your urine.
And they'll fly up the old pee hole and make their way into your cock.
mark normand
Yikes.
Can you pee it out while it's going up?
joe rogan
I don't think you can.
Look at that.
Those are cockfish.
River monster.
Fish swims up your urine stream.
unidentified
Look at that.
joe rogan
Little fucker.
jamie vernon
Candaroo or something.
joe rogan
Yeah, and look, he's got teeth.
Look at him on the left-hand side, Jimmy, the mouth.
He's just chewing away.
mark normand
He looks like a dick.
joe rogan
He's trying to blow you from the inside.
mark normand
You ever hear that old Chinese torture where they get you hard, they hammer a glass spike into your dong, and then they break it.
So then you piss shattered glass.
joe rogan
That's a Chinese torture?
mark normand
That's what I heard.
joe rogan
How do they get you hard?
mark normand
Ah, there's ways, you know, you bring a lady in or a small boy.
You know, you do what you gotta do.
joe rogan
Or a pile of money.
mark normand
Yeah, exactly.
So who are you voting for?
joe rogan
No, I'm just kidding.
mark normand
I'm joking.
What a whirlwind you're in, huh?
joe rogan
Strange.
Strange to watch it take place because it's so obvious what it is.
I know.
They're using me to make him look bad that he supports me or that he used my endorsement.
I had no idea they were going to do that either.
The Bernie Sanders people just...
And all I said is I'm probably going to vote for him.
I said I like Tulsi Gabbard.
I really love her.
I love him.
I love Andrew Yang.
Those are the people that I think...
And look, here's a really important point.
I'm a fucking moron.
If you're basing who you're going to vote for president based on mine, like what I like, I'm not that balls deep into this stuff.
I'm not the guy.
mark normand
It's very strange.
This is a little out of left field, but how much of this is based on your look?
If you weren't a muscular, bald-headed white guy, I don't know if this would be...
I bet this would be a different game.
joe rogan
Well, it's easy to paint me as a douchebag.
unidentified
Right.
joe rogan
And also, what's really funny is the thing that I said in the video...
Was exactly what they did.
I said, if you just take the worst aspects of someone, take out everything else, magnify it, and you can paint them out to be a real piece of shit.
mark normand
Of course.
I have 10 techs today.
joe rogan
But what I said is that it's hard to do that with Bernie, because he's a really consistent guy.
mark normand
He's the real deal.
He was out in the front lines in the 60s with the civil rights.
joe rogan
Right.
Getting chained to people and Getting arrested.
Yeah, he was.
That doesn't mean he's going to be a great president.
mark normand
No, of course not.
joe rogan
I don't know what's required to be a president.
I really don't.
And I don't understand what's required to make sure the economy functions correctly.
And also, I don't understand what's required to make the military function correctly.
mark normand
No.
joe rogan
It's just guesswork.
I mean, maybe we're better off with Trump.
Maybe we're better off with someone else.
I don't know.
But what was fascinating to me was that These people, like fucking CNN, printed something saying that I was homophobic and transphobic.
And there's a clip that they're using that's completely out of context.
As far as trans people, some trans people listening to this, I got nothing but love for you.
For everybody.
And in fact, Eddie Izzard is one of my all-time favorite guests.
mark normand
Oh, I love Izzard.
joe rogan
He's one of the most inspirational and brilliant people I've ever met.
I love that guy.
And he's probably one of the most public trans people and the first most public celebrities to go trans.
I don't care.
mark normand
Nobody cares.
joe rogan
But this had to do with fighting.
This had to do with a man.
unidentified
Oh, that's what it is.
joe rogan
This was what I was saying, and the video that they're using was me saying, you're a fucking man.
Definitely shouldn't use those words, but this is why I was upset.
There was a guy, this person was a man for 30 years, transitioned to become a woman for two years, and then started fighting women in MMA and didn't tell them that she used to be a man.
And was smashing girls.
She literally broke this girl's skull.
Like, broke her face.
And was kind of bragging about it.
Like, she was, you know, she was hyping up her MMA career, right?
mark normand
Yeah.
joe rogan
And then people found out that she was a trans woman, and she used to be a man, and she said that she didn't have to disclose that because it was a medical procedure, and it had nothing to do, it wasn't their business.
mark normand
Very shady.
joe rogan
I was like, bullshit.
Now, here's the thing.
If she disclosed it, and everyone knew, I'm 100% in favor of it.
If you want to do that, if you're a woman and it's your choice to fight a trans woman and see how you do, and in fact, a woman who eventually went and fought in the UFC, a girl named Ashley Evans-Smith, who's a really good fighter, UFC-caliber fighter, unlike this other woman who was the trans woman, that trans woman was just really strong.
She wasn't the same caliber as a world-class martial artist.
Ashley Evans-Smith actually wound up beating her.
mark normand
Oh, yeah?
joe rogan
Yes.
Oh, boy.
And then she fought in the UFC afterwards.
unidentified
Uh-huh.
mark normand
Can we see a photo of this gal?
joe rogan
It's not.
unidentified
Oh, I just want to know, does it look like a dude?
joe rogan
A little...
mark normand
They couldn't tell?
joe rogan
A masculine woman.
mark normand
Okay.
joe rogan
You know?
When he was a dude, he looked like a guy.
unidentified
Right.
joe rogan
Like a bro.
mark normand
Yeah.
joe rogan
And then when he became a woman, he looked, you know, like a...
Yeah, definitely you could say he was a woman.
mark normand
A dude lady.
joe rogan
But I, you know, I was like, get the fuck out of here.
You're a fucking man.
unidentified
Right.
joe rogan
And so they take it out.
He's so transphobic.
Like, not.
I'm not.
mark normand
Listen.
Yeah, you just don't want people to get hurt.
joe rogan
This has only to do with athletics.
That's it.
In terms of your gender identity and who you are and what you want to do, I don't care.
And specifically my wheelhouse, which is fighting.
There is a gigantic physical advantage that men have in that particular sport.
mark normand
Well, we all know that when a guy hits a girl in the street.
There's a different vibe than when a girl hits a guy.
joe rogan
That's the problem.
That's what the fights looked like.
The fights looked like a guy hitting a girl.
mark normand
Damn.
joe rogan
And he's also fighting people that aren't that skilled.
It's a low-level MMA promotion.
And then when it came out, there was all this outrage.
But what was really fascinating was how many people were mad at me, but didn't have an equal amount of...
They weren't equally upset that this woman was deceptive about the fact that she was trans.
It's bad for the cause.
If you're really in support of transgender people, it's very bad for the cause if you have a transgender woman that doesn't disclose she's transgender and is beating the fuck out of biological women.
And here's one of the big problems with it, ultimately.
The ones who get fucked over are biological women.
In this whole race to be woke, and including transgender women in female sports, Biological women are the ones getting fucked over.
When these trans women are winning world records and becoming world champions.
It's where the rubber meets the road between pragmatic, objective people that are analyzing all the facts and people who want to stick with a woke ideology and they don't want to hear it on the other side.
So this is the big one that people are calling me out on.
The other one is the homophobia one is like, come on, man.
Look, I have nothing but love for gay people.
Nothing but love.
I love gay people, but I make fun of them.
I make fun of me.
I make fun of my mom.
I'll make fun of you when you're here.
I'll make fun of you when you leave.
It doesn't mean I don't love them.
Like I was saying before, one of my most popular memes online is in support of gay marriage, and it says, If you hate gay marriage, it's because of one of two reasons.
Either you're dumb or you're secretly worried that dicks are delicious.
And that has been shared fucking millions of times.
In fact, I had a gay strongman in here.
mark normand
I saw that.
joe rogan
Yeah, and he was the world's strongest gay.
And he was talking about, Rob Kearney was talking about how hilarious he thought that was.
And he had seen that.
It's one of the first exposures that he had to me.
mark normand
Yeah.
Well, they're just looking for shit to pin to you.
That's all.
joe rogan
It's to marginalize him.
And it's also people that don't want anyone who's not woke to represent anything on the left.
If you're going to be on the left, there's a lot of people...
First of all, I should say this.
Before I say anything about the blowback, the positive side...
The support that I've gotten from people because of it has been overwhelming and really heartwarming.
From great comics and scientists and people that I've had on the podcast, Psychology Today wrote an article about how the media is gaslighting you on me.
They're trying to paint this guy out to be this monster.
Have I said stupid shit?
100%.
I've done 1,400 plus podcasts, a lot of them high.
Like a giant percentage of it.
I said a bunch of stupid shit.
I couldn't even believe why I was saying it.
I like to say inappropriate words.
I do it all the time.
unidentified
Why?
joe rogan
Because it's fun.
Because we're comics.
mark normand
But it might hurt some people.
Yeah, but some people like it.
joe rogan
I like saying words you're not supposed to say sometimes.
But it doesn't mean I'm homophobic or racist or sexist or misogynistic or transphobic.
These things aren't true.
I love everybody.
Literally, if you're a nice person, I will love you.
I'm cool with everybody.
mark normand
The weird thing is they want it to be true.
It's not even about the justice or helping people.
It's about nailing a guy down.
It feels more vindictive and we want to hurt you than it does let's save the world.
It's more like if you go, I'm actually not.
They go, ah, whatever.
joe rogan
Well, there's a couple things going on.
One, this podcast has gotten way too big and it actually can influence elections.
unidentified
Oh.
joe rogan
That's real.
mark normand
Do you like that?
That's terrifying.
joe rogan
It's not good.
I don't think I want to have anything to do with politics after this.
mark normand
No, same.
I'm sorry I asked the question.
joe rogan
No, but I'd rather talk to you.
mark normand
Okay.
joe rogan
I'd rather talk to someone like you than ever talk about this shit.
And have politicians on and not know whether or not they're full of shit or not.
Congratulations.
mark normand
I don't know anything about politics.
I don't follow it.
People are obsessed.
It's taking over too much time in your day.
It burns too many calories.
People get so passionate about it.
It's all changing and it's all silly.
joe rogan
I would love if they revamped the system and made it so there was a council of really smart people who get to decide on things.
mark normand
Think tank.
Get the smartest people in here, not the most likable.
joe rogan
And give them at least a microdose of mushrooms before they make their decisions.
mark normand
I mean, Obama hated gay marriage, but we all like him.
joe rogan
I don't think he hated gay marriage.
mark normand
Or he was against it.
joe rogan
He was doing that for political reasons, because he was trying to attract a certain amount of people that were on the right.
And it's a ploy, right?
They have to play their hands carefully.
They're playing chess.
mark normand
What's the difference, though?
He could have swayed the election.
I mean, he was in charge of shit, so he could make policies.
joe rogan
Well, Hillary Clinton didn't believe in gay marriage until 2013. There you go!
That's weird!
But it's not real.
In their world, the world of politics, they're giving up a pawn.
They're making a concession.
mark normand
Right, exactly.
joe rogan
And so, what this is, is take me down to make Bernie look bad because Bernie dared to post one of my videos.
In the meantime, Bernie has surged to number one in the polls.
mark normand
Oh, is that right?
joe rogan
Yes.
He's number one in the polls and number one for the first time in the betting polls.
mark normand
Aha!
joe rogan
So it's like, look, I don't know if it's good or bad.
mark normand
Well, it's like Chappelle.
Everybody hates Chappelle.
He's the transphobic guy of the year, whatever.
He's won the Grammy three years in a row for Best Comedy Album, and he just won the Mark Twain Award.
So it's like, we talk a big game and we complain and bitch and moan, but I think the real shit's out there.
joe rogan
Well, even more telling, when Rotten Tomatoes only let five woke critics judge his special, he had a 0% on Rotten Tomatoes.
Then, when they let the general public do it, it jumped up to 99%, which is fucking unheard of.
mark normand
I know, and why does anybody go, this is weird, right?
I mean, we do it, but the people with the big voices and the loudest people are all going, what are you going to do?
They never chime in on that shit.
joe rogan
But right now, you are one of the loudest people.
mark normand
Oh, shit!
joe rogan
And here's the other thing.
Those people that are the other loudest people out there are all being employed by giant companies.
mark normand
Ah, is that what it is?
joe rogan
Now, if you're a part of a giant media company, we don't even have to say any names.
You have to make arrangements with political parties and candidates.
They will give you access to candidates, but in exchange, they would like you to run certain stories.
They would like you to cover things.
They would like you to not cover other things.
I mean, you're seeing this anti-Bernie Sanders push across the board.
Hillary Clinton just came out and said that she thinks nobody likes him.
mark normand
I saw that.
unidentified
She said that.
joe rogan
Why would you say that?
unidentified
I know.
joe rogan
The guy campaigned for you.
mark normand
What are you, an eight-year-old?
Nobody likes him.
joe rogan
Exactly.
unidentified
Exactly.
joe rogan
And she said that he's a career politician.
mark normand
What does that mean?
joe rogan
Were you involved in industry before this?
Did you manufacture televisions?
What did you do before?
You were a lawyer for a little bit.
Okay.
Aren't you a career politician?
Your husband's clearly a career politician.
It's a crazy thing to say.
And then, you know, there's like a lot of people that are in support of Elizabeth Warren that were trying to push the narrative that Bernie Sanders is sexist.
This helps that narrative.
mark normand
Come on.
joe rogan
Because Elizabeth Warren was saying that.
She said that he had said to her that a woman could never be president.
Did you ever see that exchange where the two of them were on CNN? I heard about it.
mark normand
I try not to watch anything.
joe rogan
Good for you.
So this is what it's been for me, just to watch all this play out.
mark normand
This is the first time I've seen you rattled, by the way.
You're usually cool as a cucumber.
You look a little verklempt.
joe rogan
I just want to make sure that I say it the way I think it.
mark normand
All right, get it out.
joe rogan
But that's why, if I look rattled.
It's okay to be rattled.
Thank you.
The positive thing has been the outpouring of support by so many people.
Overwhelming.
And then the support to negatives, the ratio is incredible.
So it's awesome.
mark normand
Well, the good news is everyone who knows you likes you.
All the people who are saying shit have probably never met you or don't even listen to the pod.
joe rogan
Well, even listening to the podcast, you don't know me that well, but this is a part of the problem with human beings communicating through social media.
Social media is the worst way, like Twitter or something like that is the worst way to either know someone, express a feeling, or show any compassion.
Mm-hmm.
And this is one of the reasons why cancel culture is so ripe.
mark normand
Right.
joe rogan
Because this is the best way to cancel something.
Through a tweet.
Fuck you.
mark normand
Yeah.
joe rogan
Look at how many comics did that with Louis.
mark normand
Yeah.
joe rogan
After the Louis C.K. thing went down, there was a bunch of comics that were like, now's my chance.
mark normand
Right.
joe rogan
I'm going to move up the ladder.
And Tim Dillon posted this awesome Instagram post about that, like recognizing that.
Like, let's see what this is.
A lot of these people that are virtue signaling, these insanely mediocre, untalented comedians...
mark normand
It tends to be.
You don't see Michelle Wolf or Michael Che and all this shit.
joe rogan
Exactly.
Especially when the leaked audio came out.
People are like, oh, he's leaning into it.
He's all right now.
Listen, Louis C.K. has always said the most inappropriate shit that's funny.
Go back and you guys aren't even fans.
mark normand
Well, when you tweet, the remorse is much smaller.
Like canceling a guy through the computer, you're not going to feel as much guilt and shame and meanness.
joe rogan
You don't feel anything.
mark normand
It's through a keyboard.
joe rogan
You don't feel anything.
I'm hoping that social media will evolve to something that somehow or another allow people to be more compassionate to each other.
And maybe we'll just understand how to use it better and understand the consequence.
Maybe when everybody gets canceled.
mark normand
You can't drink and drive, but you can drink and tweet.
It's career suicide instead of auto manslaughter.
joe rogan
Do you know the Justine Sacco story?
mark normand
Is that the AIDS chick?
Yeah, that's amazing.
joe rogan
She was on her way to Africa.
I think she took an Ambien and she was drinking.
And she's like, going to Africa, hope I don't get AIDS. Just kidding, I'm white, lol.
mark normand
That's a good tweet.
joe rogan
It's a joke, a Mark Norman joke in a lot of ways.
mark normand
Thank you.
joe rogan
It is in a lot of ways, right?
It's kind of like something that you would say as a joke.
mark normand
I don't know if I'd go with the white angle, but I like it.
joe rogan
What would you say instead of white?
mark normand
Because white people do get AIDS, so it doesn't really make sense logically.
joe rogan
Right, but when you're on Ambien and you're fucking liquored up.
mark normand
Oh, Ambien, man.
joe rogan
You only have a couple minutes before the flight takes off and you lose cellular.
mark normand
Yeah, yeah, you misspell a few things.
You're like, fuck, I can't go back.
joe rogan
I know.
It's fucking hectic when you try to get a tweet off on the runway.
mark normand
I know.
It's true.
And then the whole flight, you're waiting.
You don't buy the Wi-Fi.
joe rogan
Headed to Cincinnati.
Buy tickets at marknorman.com.
unidentified
Fuck, fuck, fuck.
joe rogan
I didn't spell Norman right.
mark normand
Right, right.
I misspelled my own name.
The whole world would change if Twitter gave you like 10 seconds of edit time.
joe rogan
Yeah.
mark normand
We could change the whole world.
Roseanne would be on the air.
joe rogan
Yeah.
Well, at the end of the day, with all this shit, my feelings about all this are it's interesting to see.
It's interesting to see the hate brigade come my way.
And it's interesting.
It's very heartwarming to see support.
But it's also, you know, at the end of the day, I've got a giant body of work.
Like you can only lie so much about what I am and what I've done.
You know, when people watch the Elon Musk interview, they're not like, look at all the homophobia.
He hates women in that interview.
It's like nonsense.
Like, have I made inappropriate jokes?
Yeah, for sure.
I'm a comedian.
When you, and especially if you're drinking and you're smoking pot, you're swinging, right?
You know how it is when we're doing this.
Of course.
Pitches are coming your way.
A lot of them are high.
You're like, I'm going in.
mark normand
Yeah.
joe rogan
And you don't hit the ball and you're like, ah.
mark normand
Last time I was here, I made eight jokes about fucking kids.
unidentified
You know?
mark normand
It's funny because it's so extreme.
unidentified
Exactly.
mark normand
Like a racist joke is funny because racism is stupid.
These people, they're grasping at straws.
They got nothing.
joe rogan
It's not real racism.
It's a joke.
mark normand
Yeah, not hiring a guy because he's brown is racism.
joe rogan
Exactly.
Exactly.
mark normand
Yeah, come on.
What are we doing?
joe rogan
Exactly.
mark normand
And they just know that the word racism is going to get some eyeballs.
It's going to get some shit stirring up.
joe rogan
Well, that was the crazy thing about the CNN articles.
They put in all the isms.
All the isms and all the obias.
They blew their wad on that.
They're not applicable.
A history of these things.
There's a history of these things.
Well, there might be a history of jokes.
But there's no history of actual homophobia, actual transphobia, other than me calling that guy a man who beat the fuck out of women.
But I don't understand why people weren't upset that that woman, who used to be a guy, was doing that.
mark normand
It's a little harsh.
I mean, her head got cracked open.
joe rogan
Literally.
mark normand
You're worried about women.
joe rogan
No one cared about that woman.
Nobody wanted to interview that woman and say, hey, are you okay?
mark normand
Well, that's how deep in this shit.
joe rogan
What does it feel like?
mark normand
That's how deep in we are.
I'd rather have her head split than me get canceled.
joe rogan
And again...
I'm 100% for anyone who knows that that's a transgender woman fighting that woman.
mark normand
Consensual.
joe rogan
Yes!
And here's a perfect example of it.
The former UFC featherweight champion, her name's Jermaine Durandamy, and she's a fucking assassin.
She's a beast.
She's a 10-time world Muay Thai champion.
I mean, just one of the most technical fighters in the sport.
She's super badass.
She fought a man and fucked him up.
mark normand
Is that right?
joe rogan
You can watch it online.
She KO'd him.
mark normand
Wow.
joe rogan
She KO'd a man with a right hand.
She's a fucking killer, man.
mark normand
Was he a fighter guy?
joe rogan
He knew how to fight.
He was swinging.
mark normand
Oh, that guy's got to hate himself.
joe rogan
She knew better.
mark normand
Yeah.
joe rogan
She's a world champion.
mark normand
Sure.
joe rogan
But look, if she wanted to do that and he wanted to do that, I'm fine.
But if he pretended he was a girl and he went in and tried to fuck her up, then I'd be like, you're an asshole.
unidentified
Yeah.
joe rogan
That's what this is.
It's just about deception.
I'm not against trans people.
I think when you're talking about trans athletics, when Martina Navratilova, who is an outspoken lesbian, who is one of the greatest tennis players in the world, World-class tennis players, world champion, one of the greatest of all time.
She the hot one?
No.
mark normand
Okay.
joe rogan
When she comes out, and she did, coming out against trans athletes, competing with women, the outpouring of hate that came her way.
unidentified
Oh, really?
joe rogan
Yes.
People are calling her transphobic and this and that.
Look, this hasn't been settled.
mark normand
Right.
joe rogan
If you look at the actual facts, the number of world records, the number of champions, the number of people that are now trans, It's getting weird.
what is it the International Olympic Weightlifting Federation one of those fucking the powerlifting federation whatever judges that they recently came out and said we are not we're no longer allowing transgender women yeah because they're breaking all the world records oh but are they in trouble now I think I think that's one of the ones where people are like, well, yeah, you're winning by 200 pounds.
unidentified
Ah, yes.
joe rogan
It's like you're taking people and they lose some of their strength when they go through the transition.
They lose some of their strength when they go through estrogen therapy.
But there's, goddammit, there's a lot going on there.
There's tendon strength.
There's the size of the bones.
The hand strength.
The size of the hands.
There's the shape of the hips.
The shape of the shoulders.
There's more.
You can generate more power.
There's also a lifetime strength.
Of having testosterone running through your body.
It's almost like a woman who's taking steroids her whole life and then quits when she's 30. She's still going to have giant advantages.
mark normand
Sure, but how come you don't see it the other way, do you?
You don't see it the other way.
Or the woman becoming a man and then entering a man category.
joe rogan
Yes, imagine.
A woman who transitions to becoming a man and then fighting in MMA. Right.
Good luck.
mark normand
Good luck on Nate Diaz, you know?
joe rogan
Yeah.
Well, there's a woman who was a woman and then transitioned to a man who is now a boxer who is a spokesperson for, I want to say, Everlast or like Adidas, like a big company.
unidentified
Mm-hmm.
joe rogan
Now has this transgender female to male boxer.
Which, again, I'm all in.
Look, I don't even think you have to say anything if that's the case.
There it is.
World's first transgender professional boxer is now the face of Everlast.
Yeah.
unidentified
Now...
joe rogan
How many fights does this person have?
mark normand
Wait, this was a woman?
joe rogan
Was a woman.
mark normand
Okay.
joe rogan
But here's, okay, here's another problem with this.
Ready?
In order to transition, you have to take testosterone.
mark normand
Ooh, so now you're taking supplements?
joe rogan
As a woman, Manuel was a USA national amateur boxing champion, was invited to compete in the 2012 Olympic trials.
However, a shoulder injury during Olympic qualifying changed everything.
So, how many fights?
Manuel.
Scroll back, back, back, back.
mark normand
Confusing to have man in the name.
joe rogan
When Manuel was recovering from the injury, he decided...
Well, you can say he back then.
See, they're saying he a lot.
Okay, so you say he...
mark normand
So much work.
joe rogan
Because he was already a he.
When he was recovering from the injury, that's when he was a girl.
But let's keep using the same name.
When Manuel was recovering from the injury, he decided to transition from female to male.
It proved to be the toughest fight of his life.
He was shunned.
Has he had any fights as a male?
Scroll up there.
Battle it all, against all odds, went his way back to the sport, become the first person competing in a professional boxing match as a transgender fighter.
On December 8th, 2018, Manuel climbed to the ring against Hugo Aguilar at a Fantasy Spring Resort Casino in Indio, California, and came out a winner.
There you go.
Six-year journey.
mark normand
Oh, it won.
joe rogan
It's worth the wait.
mark normand
There you go.
unidentified
Excellent.
joe rogan
Congratulations to Manuel.
Look, I'm all for that, too.
And my take on that is, there's only one issue.
mark normand
Uh-oh.
joe rogan
That issue is, Manuel, to transition, has to take testosterone.
So, how much testosterone?
And who's monitoring it?
And how often are the tests?
Because if you have, like, especially some women, particularly African-American women, have dense bones.
Really?
They have really good bone density.
Yeah, oftentimes rivaling European males.
mark normand
Maybe we should segregate racially.
unidentified
LOL. Well, they're just too good.
joe rogan
Yeah.
I don't know about that.
mark normand
Black people are so good at sports.
joe rogan
Well, Canelo Alvarez, one of the best boxers in the world.
Pretty redhead, you know?
mark normand
Oh, he's good.
joe rogan
Fucking awesome.
mark normand
Yeah, he's really good.
joe rogan
Gennady Golovkin, pretty fucking awesome.
mark normand
All right.
joe rogan
Russian.
mark normand
What was that?
The white Mike Tyson guy.
He had something.
joe rogan
Who's that?
unidentified
Who's the white Mike Tyson?
mark normand
Oh, he was big.
Tommy Gunn?
joe rogan
Oh, no, he wasn't.
Tommy Morrison?
mark normand
Wasn't he good?
joe rogan
Yeah, he was good.
Yeah, he was a good fighter.
Yeah, a good fighter, but he got fucked up by a lot of other, like Ray Mercer.
Did you ever see the Ray Mercer knockout?
mark normand
Uh-uh.
joe rogan
Worst knockout in the history of the heavyweight division, I think.
mark normand
Oh, wow.
joe rogan
Because he got caught in the ropes.
mark normand
Oh!
joe rogan
He got caught in the ropes, and Ray Mercer, who was an Olympic gold medalist and a murderous puncher, just fucking smashing him.
mark normand
Oh, that's brutal.
joe rogan
Just his head.
No protection at all.
He's not putting his hands up, and he's trapped.
So it's just bang, bang, bang, bang.
mark normand
I can't watch that.
joe rogan
And he was never the same again.
But he did go on to beat George Foreman.
Beat George Foreman by decision.
Beat Donovan Razor Ruddock by stoppage.
A guy who went the distance with Mike Tyson.
mark normand
There you go!
joe rogan
Tommy Gunn was a good fighter.
mark normand
Oh yeah.
That's one for Whitey.
joe rogan
One for Whitey.
mark normand
But that's it.
Just one.
joe rogan
There's a few.
mark normand
We had Marciano.
What was it?
Rocky?
joe rogan
What's his face?
Oh, yeah.
Rocky Marciano.
mark normand
And LaMotta was pretty good.
He beat Sugar Ray a few times.
joe rogan
Yeah, well, Vasily Lomachenko is probably one of the best pound-for-pound fighters on the planet Earth today.
And he's another one who's Russian, but Russians are different from white people.
mark normand
Yeah, they're like whitey 2.0.
joe rogan
Yeah, they're whitey 2.0.
That's a good way to put it.
It's fucking hard people, man.
mark normand
They're tough folks.
Which shows you it's not really about the skin, it's about your environment.
joe rogan
That's a lot of it.
And the genes.
mark normand
Sure, genes, yeah.
joe rogan
There's certain people in, I mean, you know, there's body styles, right?
There's endomorph, ectomorph, and mesomorph.
And, you know, there's certain people that have advantages, you know, based on the amount of fast twitch muscle fibers, the size of their fists, different sports, you know, there's different sort of benefits to different body types in different sports.
Yeah, yeah.
mark normand
Asians ping pong.
joe rogan
I think it's just really popular over there, right?
mark normand
Oh, no, they're great.
I think it's Chinese, but I don't want to get in trouble.
joe rogan
But I think it's because it's really popular, right?
mark normand
Maybe.
joe rogan
Do you think there's a physical advantage?
mark normand
I don't know.
They just seem to have a knack for that pong.
joe rogan
They have a lot of killer pool players over there.
mark normand
Really?
Well, that's all metrics.
It's all physics, you know, and there's smart people.
joe rogan
It's also very popular.
mark normand
Ah.
joe rogan
It's very popular over there.
unidentified
Mm-hmm.
joe rogan
The pool is huge in the Philippines.
mark normand
Really?
joe rogan
Oh, my God.
Gigantic.
Some of the greatest players of all time come from the Philippines.
mark normand
I didn't know that.
joe rogan
Yeah, there's a guy named Efren Reyes.
I got a signed photograph of him out there on the wall by the pool table.
mark normand
The hot Asian lady.
The lady with the black hair, long black hair.
joe rogan
Oh, yeah, Jeanette Lee, the black widow.
mark normand
Oh, man, she was great.
joe rogan
She's a beast.
mark normand
You ever watch those trick shots?
They're unbelievable.
I could do three days on YouTube with those trick shots.
joe rogan
Oh, dude, I wind down at the end of the night every night watching pool on YouTube.
unidentified
Really?
joe rogan
Yeah.
mark normand
Oh, look at that.
joe rogan
Well, because it used to be hard to find pool matches on television.
Right.
It's hard.
ESPN doesn't have them.
I'd set it in my DVR, look for billiards.
Because I used to play a lot, like all day long when I lived in New York.
I played tournaments.
I was more obsessed with pool than I was with almost anything.
mark normand
Really?
joe rogan
Yeah, yeah, yeah.
If there was money in professional pool, I probably would have quit doing stand-up.
mark normand
What?
joe rogan
Yes.
mark normand
Would you ever get in a pool grift, like a bar brouhaha?
joe rogan
Like get hustled?
mark normand
Yeah, and then you snap the stick and go, come on, motherfucker!
Come at me!
joe rogan
Most of that's nonsense.
unidentified
I don't know.
joe rogan
From the color of money.
mark normand
Artie Lang's got some stories out in Newark.
joe rogan
He's hanging out with dirtbags.
I mean, I've had guys yell at me and stuff like that, but not because I was beating them.
I was never that good.
I went to real pool halls.
There's a place called West End Billiards in New Jersey.
mark normand
I know West End Billiards.
joe rogan
It doesn't exist anymore.
mark normand
I've seen it.
And there's also Amsterdam.
joe rogan
I go to Amsterdam every time I'm in New York.
I play with professionals.
I used to play a lot of tournaments with professionals.
mark normand
But there was never any...
You never had the guy pretending like he had a gimp?
joe rogan
No.
mark normand
None of that?
That's all movies?
joe rogan
No, no.
I mean, I had guys try to hustle me.
One of my best friends, my friend Johnny B. I met him because he tried to hustle me.
But I could just tell.
I knew I wasn't very good.
I was just starting out.
I was just playing, and he was really good.
He's like, come on, let's play a game.
I'll give you a spot.
I'm like, get the fuck out of here.
And he's like, oh, you're too smart.
I'm trying to trick you.
We became buddies.
But yeah, I was never good enough to hustle, and I was never good enough to beat the really good players, but I was obsessed with it.
What was my point?
Oh, so every night when I wind down, the way I wind down, I like to watch pool.
mark normand
All right.
joe rogan
Because it's so, even when it's crazy, it's like not that crazy.
mark normand
Right.
It's a good winder because if you watch like street fights, you're all keyed up.
joe rogan
Oh, I can't watch those.
You know what I hate most than anything in street fights is when the dude's heads bounce off the concrete.
unidentified
Oh!
Oh!
mark normand
Brutal.
Brutal.
joe rogan
There's one, there's this Puerto Rican dude, and this other guy, and the guy doesn't know how to fight, and the Puerto Rican dude does, and you can see they're standing in front of each other in the street, and he just, crack!
And the guy goes, and you see him like sideways, his head bounces off, and his girlfriend goes, get in the car, puppy!
And he And he jumps in the car and takes off.
mark normand
Oh my gosh.
See, they think it's a movie and then the real life kicks in.
joe rogan
Well, some people are just fronting and they think they're going to get away with it and then the other guy is actually a boxer.
And that was the case here.
That guy, he threw an educated punch.
He knew what he was doing and he caught that guy right in the jaw and he went out and his head...
Get the bounce.
There's a fucking this thing.
mark normand
Ah, that kills me.
joe rogan
It kills people all the time, man.
mark normand
Dude, I grew up in Louisiana, and these corn-fed white guys with polo shirts and Doc Martens and short blue shorts with the woven belt, they would get to these brawls, these big white motherfuckers, and they would just kick them in the face when they're down like a soccer kick.
He'd just be outside the bar.
I just watched a guy get his jaw broken on a Friday night at 1 in the morning, and he'd just go back in the bar.
I mean, it was horrific.
They slamming people in the cars and kneeing them in the face.
unidentified
Bar fights, man.
joe rogan
How many people have died in bar fights?
mark normand
I know, I know.
joe rogan
Fucking terrible.
mark normand
Yeah, the jaw gets wired.
You see the guy the next week, he's got that neck brace, you know?
Ugh.
Dude.
Brutal.
joe rogan
Yeah.
unidentified
Fuck.
mark normand
All for what?
Because somebody bumped into you?
joe rogan
Exactly.
mark normand
Spilled your beer?
joe rogan
Well, just people looking for fights, and then they get a little bit of booze in them, and, you know, they're mad because their girlfriend's fucking some new guy.
mark normand
I guess so.
unidentified
God damn it.
joe rogan
Fucking bitch.
mark normand
I don't have that in me.
I don't have that anger.
Congratulations.
I'm not bragging.
I like to booze it up.
I like to smash some gash and have a good time and do some shrooms and eat a lady out.
But I can't imagine wanting to kick a guy in the face while he's on the ground.
joe rogan
No.
It's not good.
mark normand
That's a rage.
Maybe he was beaten or he's deeply closeted or something's going on there.
joe rogan
Well, it's like...
Some men grow up getting their asses kicked.
mark normand
I guess so.
joe rogan
And they grow up getting abused.
It's one of the things that I would notice in high school.
The kids that would want to fight all the time, they were getting abused at home.
mark normand
Ah.
joe rogan
There was a lot of that.
unidentified
Right.
mark normand
And they don't have as much guilt about it.
They'll just smash your face.
joe rogan
Exactly.
mark normand
I would be like, oh shit, I'm sorry.
joe rogan
Someone's been doing that to them, whether it's their older brother or they're getting bullied and so they bully people back.
You know that old expression, hurt people, hurt people.
mark normand
Yeah.
Yeah.
joe rogan
And that's, you know, when people like to hurt people, that was the thing that I hated Yes!
I would try to celebrate.
And then after a while, I started not celebrating, I would just walk away.
I'd be like, that's actually probably a better move anyway.
mark normand
It looks cooler.
joe rogan
Because I would just smash somebody, I would kick them, and then they would go down.
I'm like, that dude's not getting up.
I'm just going to walk away like this always happens.
And after a while, it kind of always happened.
mark normand
Yeah, like in MMA, when they just knock the guy down and they walk away, they don't even keep hammer fisting.
joe rogan
Well, it's a thing.
It's like when guys do that, they're letting you know, like, I know this is the end.
I don't have to follow this up.
mark normand
Right.
joe rogan
There's a feeling that you get when you hit someone and you see their eyes roll back.
You know.
But some guys are so savage they don't give a fuck.
Even after the guys...
The most famous one to me was Dan Henderson knocked out Michael Bisping.
It was so clear that he was out.
And Dan Henderson flew through the air and smashed him with a punch on the way down.
Then he made that silhouette his logo.
So Google Dan Henderson's look.
Look, they had this epic shit-talking session.
And then, actually, Michael Bisping went on to beat Dan Henderson in the rematch, which was huge, for the title.
mark normand
I like when they have a shit-talking, because I feel weird when they tap gloves and then try to murder each other.
joe rogan
Look at that belief.
That is him.
See, look at that.
That literally is his silhouette when he was, you know...
I mean, you can't...
It's hard to say it's a cheap shot, because...
mark normand
He knocked him out.
joe rogan
The reality is he knocked him out.
He knew the guy was out, but you're kind of supposed to keep punching until the referee pulls you off, and the referee wasn't in the right place to pull him off.
mark normand
Damn.
joe rogan
But that's kind of crazy that that's his logo.
mark normand
Of course.
joe rogan
Dan Henderson is a fucking savage.
mark normand
Yikes.
joe rogan
He's the last person you want to piss off.
mark normand
Yeah, that's too much.
That'd be like Cosby having a logo of a lady sleeping.
joe rogan
Look at that.
Not sure why Michael Bisping doesn't like my logo.
He isn't even in it.
mark normand
Oh, this guy's harsh.
Damn.
joe rogan
Hey, he's a fucking world champion.
That's the kind of mentality that you have to have.
I think he was a two-division champion in Pride.
Yeah, I know he did.
He won the 85-pound title and the 205-pound title.
Monster.
mark normand
Yikes.
joe rogan
One of the greats.
mark normand
And he was a woman.
unidentified
No.
joe rogan
He is now, though.
No.
mark normand
The whole thing is kooky.
unidentified
He's a they.
joe rogan
He's a they now.
He's not a woman.
mark normand
Okay, perfect.
I like a they.
That's easy.
joe rogan
Theybes.
mark normand
Isn't it weird now that the nicest thing you can say about a person is, I don't agree with everything they say, but I still like them.
It's like, I hate that we have to do that.
That's so narcissistic.
I disagree with some of the things.
I gotta let everybody know that.
I hate that.
Can't you just like a guy?
joe rogan
I wonder if narcissism, if you could track narcissism on a chart, I wonder if it's ramped up because of social media.
mark normand
Whoa, are you kidding?
Of course!
joe rogan
It is like something that you feed, right?
It is a psychological condition that you also probably can treat.
I don't know.
mark normand
I think we're too far in.
joe rogan
Yeah, but if you have narcissism and you get humbled by life, you take some L's in your life.
mark normand
Yeah, which you need.
joe rogan
Everybody does.
And you also, maybe you grow older and wiser and you realize this is stupid to be making duck faces on a selfie stick.
unidentified
Right, right.
joe rogan
You know that?
Have you ever seen this image?
There's a fucking photo.
It's one of my favorite photos.
A candy photo.
There's a girl on a lounge chair with her ass up in the air, and she's holding a selfie stick, and a guy is taking a picture of her, taking this picture of how fucking ridiculous it is.
She's literally got her ass straight up in the air, and she's got this selfie stick.
So she's doing this, and she's on a lounge chair by the side of the pool.
mark normand
And he caught it.
joe rogan
And I think the capture's like, 2019, be like.
unidentified
Yeah.
mark normand
It's true.
I mean, back in the day, to get on TV, you'd have to earn it.
joe rogan
There it is.
Look, look.
mark normand
Oh, that's classic.
That is classic.
joe rogan
Still loving our generation.
That's what it is.
Come on.
Okay, it's Barstool Sports has it up.
Look at that.
That is so crazy.
mark normand
I bet she nailed that photo, though.
Look at all the work she put in.
joe rogan
Dude, the dicks that must have come into her DM like a sleepy river filled with lumber.
Just rolling towards her DMs.
mark normand
A logging camp.
joe rogan
Yeah.
mark normand
Yeah.
joe rogan
Just a fucking lumber boat overturned.
mark normand
Well, in the 80s or 90s, to get on a camera, you had to walk by a TV store.
Remember, you'd be like, oh shit, I'm on it!
Remember, it would look out at you, and that was a big deal, but now it's just in your pocket.
Now it's so easy.
Then you can put it out into the world, and anybody can be on YouTube, anybody can have an Instagram.
People are just storying everything now.
It's too easy.
It's me, me, me.
Your voice is counted.
It sucks.
unidentified
Yeah.
joe rogan
That's the thing, too.
Opinions are counted from the time you're 12 on.
unidentified
Right.
joe rogan
Your opinion, if you have a 12-year-old moron and he writes a tweet, it looks just like a scholar.
mark normand
Exactly.
joe rogan
It's got the same font.
The words are spelled.
There's auto-correct, so it corrects the words.
mark normand
Right.
joe rogan
Like, you fucking idiot.
That could be from a 12-year-old or it could be from a 50-year-old guy who works at Stanford.
mark normand
Right, right.
And it's written, so you just kind of buy it.
joe rogan
Yeah.
mark normand
This is this guy's thought.
joe rogan
Yes, yes.
mark normand
I know, it's terrifying, man.
joe rogan
Well, it's also interesting, Louis C.K. had a funny thought on this that really resonated.
He was like, when people say things on Twitter, it's just talk, but it's written down.
So everybody's like, look, look, look, look what he said!
Like, people say crazy shit all the time.
mark normand
Of course.
joe rogan
And we're used to saying, like, fuck that guy.
mark normand
Yeah.
joe rogan
But you should write, fuck that guy on Twitter.
Look, he said, fuck that guy!
mark normand
Yeah, it's written, it's official.
joe rogan
It's written, yeah.
It's like...
People have said things about people since the beginning of time, and they go, why'd you say that?
I'm sorry, dude.
I was fucking drunk, and I was mad my girlfriend broke up with me.
That kind of shit, and people get over it.
But if it's written, and then people retweet, oh yeah, remember when he said this about you?
mark normand
Exactly.
joe rogan
Oh, he tried to delete it, but I got a photo of it.
mark normand
I mean, how many times do you talk shit about a comic, and then you walk in the green room, and he's sitting there, and you're like, oh hey, what's up, buddy?
joe rogan
Hi, fella.
mark normand
Thank God you were just talking.
But it wasn't written.
Now it's not official.
Now it's not on paper.
joe rogan
Well, it's, you know, look, most of us deserve to have some shit said about us every now and again.
mark normand
Yeah.
But the loudest people are the ones who have a lot of shit, and they yell at you before you find their shit.
joe rogan
Oh, that's what's always really fun to find out, right?
mark normand
Every green room I go to, there's all this shit on Twitter.
Then I go in the green room and go, we don't agree with that, right?
And they go, no, come on, it's crazy.
Then you go back to your bullshit life.
I know a guy who's like an animal activist.
He kicks his dog!
joe rogan
No!
mark normand
Yeah, and it's like, I go to his apartment, he's kicking his dog.
Like, hey, get out of there!
And he kicks it in the ribs.
You're like, you're the animal guy!
joe rogan
You kicked it hard?
mark normand
I mean, you get a yelp, you get like...
joe rogan
Oh, Jesus.
mark normand
And you're like, you're the activist dude.
You're PETA, bitch.
unidentified
Dick.
mark normand
I know, but the online, we all are fucked.
We are all selfish.
We're all shitty.
We're all cunts.
We're all cowards.
Deep down, we have all that.
But on Twitter, you can be a superhero.
joe rogan
Yeah, well, we're all primates.
We've all got some weird monkey energy inside of us, and sometimes it comes out wrong, especially because you're different all the time.
You're different depending upon the kind of stress you're under, whether or not you've had sleep, whether or not you just got fired.
So many variables that people don't want to take into consideration.
mark normand
Yeah, yeah, and you want to look good.
You want to look cool.
It's like makeup.
Twitter is makeup.
joe rogan
Dude, Twitter is makeup.
mark normand
J-Mo, t-shirt.
joe rogan
Bro, you're right.
You just nailed it.
mark normand
Thank you.
joe rogan
It is like that.
It's like you're pretending that you're something that you're not.
You're dressing it up.
mark normand
And some people go so far as Twitter for them is plastic surgery, where they're just giving in.
And they're like, I'm hooked on this.
joe rogan
Right.
Well, I don't know if you know this, but a lot of ladies, they take the photo shop to the photos, and they make their butt bigger, and their waist smaller, and their legs thinner.
So my wife will go out with her friends, and one of her friends is basically a magician.
She'll take a photo, and she'll start fucking with things, and make girls' heads bigger, and make another girl have bigger arms, make them insecure, and make her waist smaller.
They do weird shit, and they do little subtle things, like make this bitch's nose a little bigger, make her fucking ears a little bigger.
Whoa.
And then they call each other.
You gotta take that picture down.
I don't like the way my nose looks.
Oh, I'll fix it.
I'll fix your nose.
unidentified
Right.
joe rogan
So they'll change your nose and put it back up.
Like, it's cartooning.
mark normand
It's funny.
joe rogan
Like, you're doing cartoons.
You're making cartoons.
unidentified
Right.
joe rogan
That's not even a person anymore.
mark normand
It's funny because, like, a lot of guys, you know, we're shallow and material.
We like, what do you call it?
Visual.
We're very visual.
And women always say, oh, men are so pig, they're pigs, all they care about is tits.
And it's like, no, no, you care too.
Don't act like it's just us.
You have 18 filters on your face because you want to look good.
Such as us, you're shallow as well.
joe rogan
Well, I had a bit that I did in my last special about watching Fox News and about how Bill O'Reilly was sitting right next to Megyn Kelly.
And they're right next to each other, so I assume they're in the same climate.
But Bill O'Reilly was dressed like it was chilly out.
He had a shirt and a jacket and a tie.
I go, Megyn Kelly was wearing something that was best to be described as a vagina curtain.
And it wasn't a good curtain either.
I go, it was one of those curtains that sits over Grandma's kitchen sink.
It's kind of fluttering the breeze.
You could always see the yard.
And I'm like, her vagina's right there.
And it's cut low.
So you can see some of her tits.
unidentified
Right.
joe rogan
Like, you see, it doesn't have any sleeves on.
Like, there's so much skin.
mark normand
Yeah.
joe rogan
But a man, if a man wore a sleeveless skirt to an office, he would be fired.
unidentified
Right.
mark normand
Well, we're gross, too.
joe rogan
But is that sexism?
What is that?
mark normand
Probably.
I mean, by definition it is, but we don't give a shit.
It's like if a girl has a ton of cleavage and you go, wow, that's a lot of cleavage.
They go, whoa, easy creep.
You have the cleavage.
joe rogan
Right.
mark normand
I'm the weirdo for calling it out.
joe rogan
You're showing it everywhere.
mark normand
Yeah.
joe rogan
Like if a guy has yoga pants on and a giant hog wear a kielbasa in his pants, are you allowed to say anything to him?
mark normand
You go, hey, you gotta go home and change.
joe rogan
What if you're straight and he's straight, and you go, bro, nice dick.
mark normand
Yeah.
joe rogan
Just a compliment.
mark normand
That's cool.
joe rogan
Yeah, you're not trying to hit on him.
mark normand
I know, then they get blurry with the men and women stuff, because we're the same, but then we have different rules, so it's all very confusing.
joe rogan
Well, girls can say, girl, your ass looks amazing.
mark normand
Right.
joe rogan
And no one cares.
Like, girls can say that to girls.
mark normand
Sure, and gay guys can say it to girls.
joe rogan
Yeah, they can say it to girls.
The gay guy-girl relationship is a special one.
mark normand
It is.
joe rogan
Because it's girls, they can be around guys, but they're around guys who fuck guys, so they feel safe.
mark normand
Yeah, yeah.
It's all rape.
It just comes down to the rape threat.
joe rogan
Oh yeah, right.
There's no threat that way.
mark normand
Exactly.
joe rogan
And there's no threat of deception.
Right.
Because the guy's not interested in you.
unidentified
Right.
joe rogan
So he's not pretending he wants to fuck, or he doesn't want to fuck you when he actually does.
unidentified
Right.
joe rogan
So you don't really know.
Like, how many girls have those fucking creepo friends that have just been lurking in the periphery, waiting on the shore for the boat to come in the dock?
mark normand
It's gotta be tough to be a gal for that one.
joe rogan
It's gotta be tough to be that guy.
mark normand
Well, that too.
joe rogan
Hoping she gets fat.
Hoping things go wrong.
mark normand
I don't know.
If she gets fat, he might pull out.
joe rogan
Maybe not.
mark normand
He might de-doc.
joe rogan
No, he'd probably just get her back in shape again once he gets her.
mark normand
I think if we knew how much girls wanted to be found attractive...
They'd be a little embarrassed.
I think if we knew how important that was, because girls are very secretive.
Women, sorry, women.
Like, I'm a big fan of the ladies, blah, blah, blah.
But I think a lot of the things that they are thinking, if that was out, they'd be embarrassed.
joe rogan
Yeah.
mark normand
Because they got some stuff going on in that noggin that we don't know about.
joe rogan
But it's like there's so much currency in being attractive if you're a woman.
It's like being a celebrity man, right?
mark normand
Right.
joe rogan
Like if Chris Rock shows up anywhere, people are like, oh shit, it's Chris Rock.
Come on in, Chris Rock.
Hey, come on in.
Come in the restaurant.
We got a seat for you.
Get the fuck out of the seat.
Chris Rock's going to sit here.
Would you like a drink?
Would you like this?
Would you like that?
Do you want something for free?
We'll give you gifts.
It's like, this is a celebrity.
Well, a woman who's really hot has almost the same treatment.
Like, come on in.
Right.
I'll get you a drink.
mark normand
Of course.
joe rogan
Hey, ladies, what are you doing later?
There's a little after party.
Love to have you come.
unidentified
Yeah.
joe rogan
You know, they get invited.
Of course.
Yeah, it's different.
A really attractive woman is like a superhero.
unidentified
Yes.
joe rogan
They have superpowers.
And men fall apart.
Like, if women, I think they know.
Of course they know.
mark normand
It's biological.
joe rogan
But they don't experience it.
They don't experience it from the perspective of a male.
mark normand
Oh, if they knew how fucking juiced up we were.
I mean, when you see a beautiful woman with the legs and the skirt, the cleavage, it's insanity.
I wish a woman could feel that for one second.
joe rogan
Insanity.
mark normand
Feel how horny and crazy and, like, you're irrational.
unidentified
Yeah.
mark normand
You're not thinking rationally.
joe rogan
No, you stumble over your words, you say stupid shit you don't really mean.
mark normand
The only closest thing is, you know when, like, sometimes you're about to bang a gal and, like, you're about to put it in and she's all ready to go and you go, ah, I'm gonna hang back.
And she's like, what the fuck, ah!
She's flipping it.
That's the closest women will get to knowing how horny we are.
joe rogan
When do you do that?
mark normand
Well, we've done that with girlfriends and stuff.
You tease your girlfriend?
Huh?
joe rogan
You tease your girlfriend?
mark normand
Well, for fun, yeah.
Or if I can't get it up.
joe rogan
Oh, baby, I'm ready to...
Not really.
mark normand
Yeah, and she's soaking wet.
The blanket's ruined.
And, you know, the candles are lit and the nips are hard.
Windows are steamy.
Yeah, yeah.
And she's got a little gloss of sweat from the first time I went down on her and made her jizz.
And now she's ready for the medium-sized dong to penetrate.
And you hang back, yeah.
joe rogan
You hang back out.
mark normand
If you could bottle that feeling that women have right then when they call you the F word.
I've had women say horrible things because they're so worked up.
joe rogan
The gay F word?
mark normand
Oh yeah.
Come on!
I don't want to say it because who knows.
joe rogan
You don't want to get cancelled?
mark normand
Exactly.
But if you could bottle that.
joe rogan
If we were alone you'd say it.
mark normand
Of course.
joe rogan
Yes.
mark normand
But people can't see intent.
unidentified
I know.
mark normand
They can't see nuance, these cuts.
joe rogan
They can't.
They can't.
mark normand
Look, I grew up in a black neighborhood.
There was a big difference from when one guy would go, fuck you, white boy, to, ah, fuck you, white boy.
There's intent.
joe rogan
Of course.
mark normand
And both are racist, I guess, or both are evil or mean, but I knew what one group meant and I knew what another group meant.
And it's the same words.
joe rogan
It's like the word retarded.
mark normand
Yes.
joe rogan
You could use that word and everyone laughs, or you can use that word and you're a monster.
Use that word of a little kid that has a disease, like Down Syndrome or something, you're a monster.
Or, you know, with your friend, and he's like, where are my fucking keys?
Where are my fucking keys?
Hey, dude, they're in your hand, retard.
mark normand
Of course.
The bummer of all that is everybody knows that.
joe rogan
Everybody knows that and they're playing games.
mark normand
They're playing games and they're lying.
joe rogan
Well, they're playing games and they're trying to eliminate your ability to express yourself with nuance.
Because they're trying to pretend that these words can't mean different things.
But they always have meant different things.
So they're taking away that.
But you're not going to fix anybody.
You're not going to change life.
You're not going to make sick people better.
You're not going to do anything different.
Yes.
Language is complex.
There's a lot of variables.
mark normand
People are complex.
Emotions are complex.
joe rogan
And the scenarios in which you're using those languages.
mark normand
Right.
That's what I don't get.
Why would you want to be on that bad, snitch, cunty, tattletale side of all this?
joe rogan
Because they want to be woke.
And because there's a lot of fear in being against wokeness.
mark normand
That's what it is.
joe rogan
And people coming after you.
mark normand
But you're a good human.
I'm a decent douche.
I feel like we have good...
Bones, and we want to help people.
You would probably stop a bully if he was picking on a weaker person.
joe rogan
Oh, for sure.
mark normand
So to me, that's more important than...
Yeah, but they don't see that.
joe rogan
They don't see that.
And also, here's another problem.
When it comes to people like you or me, we are in this weird place where we're talking and literally right now millions of people are listening.
That is strange.
And no one thinks that's fair, including me and you.
It's not normal.
So people that are listening, there's a certain percentage of them are like, fuck that guy.
Why is he talking?
Why do you get to talk?
mark normand
Right, right.
joe rogan
And so you say anything that deviates from the standard.
You have to comply 100%.
If you don't want to be shit on, you have to comply 100%.
That's so scary.
It is scary.
mark normand
And it's a bummer.
Who wants to live like that?
joe rogan
Well, nobody does.
But here's the thing.
When you don't comply, so many people are like, thank you.
mark normand
Of course.
Thank you.
joe rogan
There's so many.
I think more.
More people are happy.
It's just the voices that are upset at you for not being woke are the louder ones.
And they're more into it because they're a We just did it.
mark normand
Way to tie it all up there, Patty.
joe rogan
It's a weird thing.
mark normand
It is.
joe rogan
It's a weird thing we're doing with language.
unidentified
It's very strange.
joe rogan
It's very weird.
mark normand
My friend had a good point, black guy, by the way, and he would say, like, it's got to be weird in 10 years when this kind of all dissipates.
And some lady's in a job interview, and she's like, I'd love to work here.
And the guy's like, says here in 2016 you wrote men are scum?
What did you mean by that?
I'm a man.
And she's going to be like, oh, it was a different time, you know, emotions were high, and Harvey Weinstein, he's like, yeah, but that's hurtful, like, I'm a man.
You're saying it's quite a generalization, you know, like, that's so mean, it's so hateful.
joe rogan
There was a big scandal about that just a couple, not even a couple years ago, maybe a year ago or so.
There was a woman who got hired by the New York Times, and they were going through all her tweets, and a lot of it was like anti-white men tweets.
unidentified
Yeah, yeah.
joe rogan
She said that she was doing it ironically, and she was also doing it to respond to people that were tweeting hateful things at her.
mark normand
Sure, there was a lot of that.
joe rogan
And also she was young.
Like a lot of times you're tweeting stuff when you're young and you're trolling and you don't even know what you're doing.
mark normand
Yeah, yeah.
And I saw a great tweet the other day about how there's that big white male rage is like a big funny thing going around right now.
It's like a hashtag.
joe rogan
Male rage?
mark normand
Yeah, white male rage.
Like the Joker and everything.
joe rogan
Oh, that's hilarious.
mark normand
It's funny, because, you know, there's a lot of white male rage out there, so it works, but it's also weird that we've kind of funneled...
You're not allowed to be mean to any other group and talk about it.
Like, black people have rage, Asians have rage, but...
joe rogan
But you can white male it to death.
mark normand
Yeah, which is like, as a comic, you're like, well, now it's kind of hack, because you're just doing that every time, and B... There's other rages.
So why wouldn't you want to...
But you're so worried about being appropriate that you have to just stick with this one that everybody...
I don't know.
It feels very easy.
joe rogan
Well, in woke culture, I don't know if you know this, but it's impossible to be racist against white people.
unidentified
Ha!
joe rogan
Did you know that?
Because white people, power plus something is racism.
And white people are always in power, so you can't be racist against white people.
It's nonsense.
mark normand
It feels very condescending to brown people, too.
I won't ever talk about you.
You're perfect.
Let's ruin this honky over here.
joe rogan
Well, they're loud and boring.
The people that do that, they're loud and boring.
mark normand
It feels like there's a lot of them.
joe rogan
There's a lot of them.
Well, there's also a lot of 20-year-olds out there.
Look, if you caught me when I was 20, I would be loud and fucking boring, too.
I'd be really annoying.
mark normand
That's the other thing.
It's like a Shane Gillis.
People go, can you believe he said that?
I'm like, well, you said this thing 10 years ago, but I've evolved.
Well, maybe he will.
joe rogan
Well, not only that, you've got to understand that he's talking shit.
And back then, he didn't think anybody was listening.
You're talking shit.
When you're talking shit, you're just trying to make your friends laugh.
mark normand
Right, right.
joe rogan
You know?
mark normand
Yeah.
joe rogan
He was trying to say inappropriate things that you're not supposed to say to make his friends laugh.
mark normand
Sure.
That's what you do.
joe rogan
That's what you do, man.
That's what you do.
It doesn't mean you mean those things.
mark normand
Yeah, that's what white male rage is.
That hashtag is inappropriate shit to make the people laugh.
unidentified
But...
joe rogan
Because there's so much content out there, and all of us are putting out so much content, you can find these instances where you're just talking shit, and if you just isolate those, you can pretend that that defines a person.
mark normand
Right, right.
joe rogan
But it doesn't.
mark normand
Because you never use the good shit to define people.
unidentified
Exactly.
joe rogan
You're defined by a giant chunk of...
Whoever you are, all the things you do.
You have your weak spots and you have your strong points.
You're defined by a lot of things.
When I saw that CNN thing, I was like, that's not why the show's popular.
You're pretending that the show has gotten all these downloads because it's like this white transphobic hate platform.
That's not true.
That's not true.
I mean, I'm not even, like, speaking for myself, like, just looking at it objectively.
That doesn't make any sense.
But if you say that, you could change, you could shift the way people...
And so that's what they were trying to do.
But all it really does is erode people's confidence in your ability to describe things accurately.
mark normand
Ah, yeah, you lose your genuine card.
I don't trust that guy.
joe rogan
Do you know what they did to Cenk Uygur?
unidentified
Who's that?
joe rogan
From the Young Turks.
He's a political commentator.
He was talking to...
This is one of the most egregious ones I've ever seen, ever.
He was talking to David Duke on the phone, right?
And David Duke saying, I'm not racist.
You know, David Duke, fucking head of the KKK. So he goes, oh, of course you're not racist!
So they use that as a quote, saying that he said to David Duke, oh, of course you're not racist.
mark normand
Wow!
joe rogan
And they tried to say that he was, you know, coddling David Duke.
mark normand
That's a lot of spin.
joe rogan
But it's not spin.
It's deceptive.
It's a lie.
And then they made a retraction, but it's too late.
And not only that, like, why?
Why do you want to do that?
Well, it's because he's running for Congress.
So Cenk Uygur right now is running for Congress in California, so they tried to do that to him in the same way.
It's like this weird thing.
They have these relationships with politicians and political parties, and they don't want people like him in, because he's one of those take the money out of politics guys.
And he's got this thing, this wolf pack, where they're trying to take money out of politics.
The same thing that Bernie Sanders is doing.
mark normand
Ah, interesting.
I see a pattern here.
joe rogan
Well, I mean, look, that's where their bread's buttered.
They want more butter, they want more bread.
mark normand
But it's funny, because when I was a kid, you'd hear about the 60s and Nixon and all this corruption, and you're like, oh, that's the 60s.
But it just keeps going.
joe rogan
It's a different kind of corruption.
It's sanctioned corruption.
It's legal corruption.
You're allowed to do it.
unidentified
Oh, I see.
joe rogan
You're allowed to have these relationships.
It's not illegal.
You should have to...
One of the things they do that's really sneaky is they hire these media companies to do organized campaigns.
So if you see a bunch of people tweeting mean shit about a candidate, a lot of times you go and you see, well, who's tweeting this?
They have one fucking follower.
mark normand
Oh, of course.
joe rogan
And they've only been posting for like a week, and most of the stuff they're posting is against this one candidate.
So they have these dummy accounts.
So either it's a person who...
That's the only time they've signed up for Twitter and they just want to shit on Bernie Sanders.
mark normand
Yeah.
joe rogan
Or it's this sort of contrived collection of people.
I mean, fake people.
Like one person has like 50 accounts.
mark normand
Right, right.
joe rogan
Or one media company, a media organizing company that is literally hired to do a campaign to try to push a narrative.
And so they just fill the mentions up with these bots, essentially.
mark normand
Right, right.
joe rogan
Just saying a bunch of different things that are negative about a candidate or negative about a person or negative about whatever, about anything.
And this is one of the ways that they sort of try to shift the zeitgeist.
And when they can't control that, when they don't have to control the narrative, then they start panicking and then they pull out the heavy guns.
And then they start asking these news stories, whether it's a newspaper or an online publication, to write inflammatory things about you.
That's essentially how they try to shift opinion on things.
And it's not illegal, right?
But it's fucking super sneaky and really sleazy.
mark normand
It's funny how they do the it's not illegal loophole kind of, because it's still wrong and mean and hurtful and a lie.
joe rogan
But imagine if it was a comic, right?
Imagine if you say, look...
Aren't you filming a special tonight, Mark Norman?
mark normand
Yes, I am.
Two shows, Dynasty Typewriter.
I don't know when this comes out.
joe rogan
It's already sold out, right?
mark normand
Yeah, sold out, baby.
joe rogan
Tough shit, you fucks.
You can't get in.
So, imagine if this special comes out and you tweet a link to it and then underneath it you use 50 dummy accounts to talk about how fucking amazing that special is.
unidentified
Right.
joe rogan
And then people find out about it.
mark normand
Yeah.
joe rogan
And they go, Jesus Christ, Mark Norman, what the fuck is wrong with you?
mark normand
What do you mean?
joe rogan
They would say that to you.
Like if you had 50 dummy accounts, you were tweeting about how amazing you are.
Well, that's what politicians do.
That's what corporations do.
A lot of people do that, to try to shift opinion.
And they're doing it through Twitter.
You know what the solution to that is?
Stay the fuck off of Twitter.
mark normand
Well, how long until it's illegal?
It feels like it's getting dangerous out there.
joe rogan
Doing stuff like that sort of should be illegal.
It's basically what the internet research agency in Russia was doing when they were having all these fake accounts and they were tweeting.
They were doing all kinds of different things.
They were pretending that it was black women against Hillary Clinton.
It was really Russians.
As black women, we can't vote for this bitch.
mark normand
And all the whiteys are like, I want to be on the side of the black women.
joe rogan
They were even organized.
I had a woman in here, her name was Renee DiResta, and she spent an incredible amount of time analyzing this stuff.
And it has all this data and like hundreds of thousands of posts and millions of interactions and all these different, like really can shift the narrative on things.
And it's all this fucking troll farm in Russia where people are getting hired to pretend like Muslims and Texas separatists.
They put together these organizations across the street from each other.
So the Texas separatists and this Muslim group, and they're both organized by these fake internet research agency people that are working in Russia.
And they put their fucking protests right across the street from each other.
mark normand
Look at that.
joe rogan
And so they're fighting with each other.
mark normand
They must be having a blast watching that shit go down.
joe rogan
Well, also, they're funny.
That's what's really funny.
They're memes.
The memes they make are really funny.
Like, they made some fucking killer memes that were legitimately hilarious.
And she was talking about, she's like, I'm telling you, I was laughing really hard at a lot of these memes.
mark normand
Yeah, yeah.
Oh, man, what a kooky world we're living in.
And I don't even want to dive into it because it bothers me.
joe rogan
It's weird.
But I think it's important to talk about.
mark normand
I guess so.
joe rogan
I think it's important to talk about like this on a podcast because it lets people know like, oh, that's what's happening.
And so you know what else people do?
They have these accounts that they use for a long period of time as a fake account.
So they'll even put fake photographs up or they'll put a cartoon picture up and then they'll use it to quote about random shit.
They'll tweet about Star Wars and the weather and oh my god, global warming is real.
Can you believe this?
They'll retweet interesting articles And they just do this to try to give it the illusion that it's a real person.
And they'll have 80 of those.
And this is all a company.
So if you have a media corporation that is designed in the company, what they do is they make these media campaigns on social media.
They organize campaigns to push a narrative.
They'll have these things just like a company would have assets.
They have these accounts.
They'll have fake accounts.
And it's not illegal.
mark normand
I don't know.
I don't know.
It seems like it's doing more harm than good.
joe rogan
Well, it's doing good and it's doing harm.
Where it does really good is in, like, I mean, Arab Spring.
You know, a lot of the stuff that happens overseas, like these people, one of the only ways they can get the news out, because the news is locked down in their country, one of the only ways they can get the news out is through social media.
And sometimes even through a virtual private network.
mark normand
Right.
joe rogan
You know, they have to use a VPN to go and...
mark normand
Arab Spring.
The worst soap of all time.
joe rogan
That's the one that you can cut into, the Irish Spring one.
I always wanted to cut into that because of the commercial.
mark normand
Cutting soap is fun.
That's how people learn to carve wood sometimes.
They use soap as a little practice.
Yeah.
I don't understand body wash.
Do you do body wash?
unidentified
What?
mark normand
I don't trust it.
joe rogan
Come on, man.
I don't do cologne either.
mark normand
Well, cologne is weird.
joe rogan
That's deep and weird.
mark normand
I don't get guys who do cologne.
joe rogan
What is body wash?
Is it soap?
mark normand
The liquid.
joe rogan
But is it soap?
mark normand
It's soap.
You usually put on a loofah.
unidentified
Oh.
mark normand
But I don't do it.
joe rogan
I'm not opposed to it.
mark normand
I like the bar.
joe rogan
I like the bar.
mark normand
Yeah, give me the bar.
joe rogan
Do you know, different ethnicities...
mark normand
I know where you're going.
joe rogan
White people are weird.
mark normand
Yes, I was just going to go in there.
My black friends get mad at me because I don't have a washcloth.
joe rogan
Yeah, a lot of, not just black, but Latinos as well.
mark normand
Oh, is that right?
I don't have any Latino friends.
joe rogan
They like washcloths, and they think white people are disgusting.
You just use soap, and then, you know, your wife goes in later, and she uses the soap, and then your fucking kid's using the soap.
mark normand
Oh, yeah.
joe rogan
Hey!
What are we doing here?
mark normand
I mean, I got that soap up my ass and everything.
joe rogan
Bumping uglies.
mark normand
Yeah, but that...
It's also a weird one when you're showering with a lady.
You remember you're showering with your girlfriend when it was new?
joe rogan
Yeah.
mark normand
And fucking in the shower, and then you gotta wash your ass?
That was always a weird moment.
joe rogan
That's a weird moment.
mark normand
Yeah.
unidentified
And when you...
joe rogan
If you try to have sex in the shower, like, who gets the water?
Like, where do we stand?
mark normand
Yeah, I'm cold over here.
joe rogan
Yeah, yeah, yeah.
Especially New York, right?
mark normand
Right.
Also, the water will...
Ruin the lube, if you will.
joe rogan
The natural lube.
mark normand
The natural lube.
joe rogan
Yes.
mark normand
Yeah, it gets it all...
joe rogan
Rinses it away.
mark normand
A little too much friction.
It's like you're trying to slide down a slide and your ass cheek keeps hitting the plastic.
unidentified
Right.
joe rogan
Right.
You want to pull your shorts down a little bit so you can get a little more slipperiness in the slide.
mark normand
Ah, shower sex is the worst.
joe rogan
Yeah, it's like a good idea.
I think Ari used to have a bit about it.
It's a good idea on paper.
mark normand
Right.
joe rogan
But in practice, it's not really the best move.
mark normand
Yeah, are you losing libido there?
Because you're what, 61?
52. Ah, shit.
joe rogan
But I'm on testosterone.
I take testosterone replacement, so I'm not losing shit.
mark normand
You're still horny?
joe rogan
Oh, all the time, yeah.
mark normand
Oh, okay.
joe rogan
Yeah, I have my testosterone levels are basically what they should be if I was 30. Right.
It's basically the same.
I don't get crazy with it.
mark normand
I'm still horny, but now that I'm with a lady, I'm glad because I don't have the energy to do the small talk.
I still want to bang, but that whole, like, out of bullshit!
I can't do it!
It's brutal!
That's the hard part to me.
joe rogan
Well, that's the part about being single.
It's not necessarily deceptive, but you are definitely putting on a little bit of an act.
mark normand
Of course, of course.
joe rogan
You're polishing up the old turd.
unidentified
Yeah, because we're a bunch of retard apes.
mark normand
Yeah, you're just thinking like, how long, how long, how long, how long, how long, how long, how long, can the underwear come off?
joe rogan
Yeah.
mark normand
And the girls, they're not dumb.
They know that.
They're going, all right, he wants to fuck now, but I'm going to get more food out of him and drinks.
joe rogan
You know what's the most depressing thing about being single?
After you came, you'd be like, what did I do?
mark normand
Oh, dude.
joe rogan
I've got to get out of here.
mark normand
Story of my life.
unidentified
What?
mark normand
Yeah, I went on a real tear and that was, every morning was just like, oh, I gotta make some changes.
joe rogan
Well, you start thinking that you really are into this person until you come.
And then you're like, no.
mark normand
Makes you realize biology is a motherfucker.
Like, it knows what it's doing.
Talk about deceptive.
Holy shit.
joe rogan
Well, Brett Weinstein was explaining this to me.
He's a biologist.
And he was explaining to me that there's different strategies for mating that biology has set up for us.
And there's two different types of women that are attractive to men.
He was like, there's beautiful, and then there's hot.
And there's a difference.
And what beautiful is, is someone who has good genetics.
She seems like she has a pleasant demeanor.
You like her personality.
You really want to be around her.
Right.
It's kind of slutty hot.
mark normand
Porn star.
joe rogan
The reason why you like that is because the idea is that you can mate with them quickly and you can spread your DNA, but you don't have to make any commitment.
mark normand
You can check.
joe rogan
Right, right.
So literally, these strategies are set up by nature.
So when you see a girl with a little tiny skirt and big giant tits stuffed into this like fucking crazy cleavage and like a little short little thing and her belly's showing She's like, hey boys!
She's letting you know there's not a whole lot of game here.
mark normand
Right.
joe rogan
You can get right to it.
mark normand
Yeah.
joe rogan
And then if you shoot one in there and make a baby, it's like you can spread those genes very quickly.
So throughout humanity, like throughout the evolution of the human animal, that has probably been a strategy that evolved.
So like women that maybe their personality sucks or maybe they're abused so they don't have high self-esteem.
unidentified
Ah.
joe rogan
So they feel like the best way to definitely get attention without making sure that a man works for it, because they don't feel like they're valuable enough, right?
So they'll wear skimpy clothes and they'll slut it up.
mark normand
Why do you think it is that a lady is so bummed out after the bang?
Like, if you want to leave.
joe rogan
Because you pretend that you're so into her, and you think you're so into her.
And then as soon as you come, she's like, oh, he's gonna hate me now.
He wants to leave.
Because that feeling, when you come, if you're not really into a girl, and you got tricked by your own dick, and then after you orgasm, you're like, what the fuck?
That feeling, which...
Every guy knows.
mark normand
I know.
It's natural.
joe rogan
If you don't know it, I don't understand you.
mark normand
Of course.
Well, that's why it's annoying when women go, oh, men are such pigs.
Like, this is how I'm wired.
Like, you can't shoot me.
That's like me going, hey, you bleeding weirdo.
Like, no, that's just how your body's made.
This is how my body's made.
Why can't you sympathize?
joe rogan
Men pretend they want more.
No, we actually think we want more.
unidentified
We do.
mark normand
We do think it, yeah.
joe rogan
Until you come.
And then you're like, ugh.
mark normand
I've been in love all night.
I'm like, this is the best woman on earth.
And then all the interest just shoots out of you.
But how about this, ladies?
And this is going to be controversial, but look, I hang out with you.
We're not fucking.
Why don't you bring it?
Like, give me some knock-knocks or something.
joe rogan
Right, give me some jokes.
mark normand
Give me some jokes!
joe rogan
Give me something to work with.
mark normand
Yeah, like, all you showed me was, like, I chased you for five hours all night, you know, trying to win you over, trying to be funny, trying to be interesting.
Why don't you spin it now?
Why don't you win me over?
joe rogan
Right, right, right.
mark normand
You're kind of, in a way, you're kind of saying, like...
Sex is my only thing.
No, but there's a lot of funny, interesting, cool ladies out there, so throw that at me.
joe rogan
Be one of those.
mark normand
Yeah, be one of those.
joe rogan
Be one of those, yeah.
mark normand
But, you know, there's a lot of boring dudes, too, so...
joe rogan
Well, there are a lot of people.
mark normand
It's just boring people.
joe rogan
Yeah, there's a lot of people that are boring.
Male and female.
unidentified
Of course.
joe rogan
I couldn't imagine being a girl and having some boring-ass fucking dude trying to stick his hog in you.
unidentified
Ugh.
mark normand
Gotta be brutal.
joe rogan
Ugh.
Everywhere you go, and then saying, hey, you know, you should probably smile a little.
Make you look better.
mark normand
I hate that move.
Has that ever worked?
joe rogan
I don't know.
Maybe must have.
mark normand
Guys who do that, they make us look bad.
joe rogan
A really dumb guy and a dumber girl?
Yeah, maybe it would work.
Oh, I'm sorry.
Sometimes I'm self-conscious about my smile.
Oh, you got a beautiful smile.
You think so?
mark normand
Yeah.
joe rogan
Oh, okay, thanks.
mark normand
Yeah, like those two are made for each other.
You guys deserve your both idiots.
joe rogan
They really should both go into the woods and get eaten by wolves.
That's what should happen.
If we really were trying to make a better human race, there'd be more variables.
There'd be more traps.
mark normand
That's true, that's true, but we gotta be nice, you know?
joe rogan
Well, we should be nice.
We should be nice.
But sometimes I think it's just genes.
Like sometimes people just have knucklehead genes.
unidentified
Right.
mark normand
Well, yeah.
Sometimes I see people, like, you know, you're walking down the sidewalk, you can see in somebody's living room, and they're 8,000 pounds, they're watching Two and a Half Men, they got a bowl of Cheetos and a beer, and you're like, you're kind of a waste of life.
Like, no offense.
You deserve life, you have a right to live, but I'm out here trying to write jokes, and I'm driving from gig to gig, I'm doing pods, I'm going gay, whatever it is, at least I'm trying something.
At least I have a little ambition.
joe rogan
You're moving.
You're out there experiencing life.
mark normand
Yeah, even if you send a tweet out, at least, like, you put something into the world, even though it could be horrible.
But, like, this guy, I'm just like, you're just waiting to die.
You're just counting the minutes till you go.
joe rogan
There's something about, like...
mark normand
And then they have kids!
And then you're like, now you brought even more shit into the world!
Ah, my God, I hate myself.
I'm sorry.
joe rogan
It's okay, you're alright.
mark normand
But like, you know, you see you're a dad of nine or whatever, and then...
joe rogan
I have 80 kids.
mark normand
80 kids?
That's a lot of testosterone you're putting in you.
joe rogan
Shooting loads all over the place.
mark normand
But yeah, so you probably teach your kids, like, hey, make something with your life.
joe rogan
Yeah, well, they can only use electronics for a certain amount of time during the day.
mark normand
Good for you!
joe rogan
They, um...
You know, and they're involved in activities.
They play sports.
They do things.
I think you've got to do stuff with them, too, and also they have to see that you're doing stuff.
unidentified
Yes, yes.
joe rogan
As a parent, like, one of the things that kids get out of you is that they see you live by example.
mark normand
Yes.
joe rogan
That's important.
mark normand
Totally.
And then on the flip side, though, I get selfish, and I go, well, it's a good thing this fat cunt is sitting in a bark lounder all night, because now I get to go and do something with my life, and he's not in my way.
joe rogan
That, and you also feel better.
You know, you come home from a hard day of getting after it, and you see that fat slob sitting in front of the TV laughing really hard at Big Bang Theory, and you're like, oh, okay, buddy, I'm fucking better than you!
mark normand
You hate to say it, but...
joe rogan
You do hate to say it, but...
mark normand
That's why, like, sometimes I think us being, we're under six foot.
And isn't that a bummer?
Wouldn't you love to be six foot?
joe rogan
I don't know, man.
unidentified
Come on!
joe rogan
I think something about me being short has helped me be more ambitious.
mark normand
That's what I'm saying!
That's what I'm saying.
joe rogan
It makes you push.
There's probably a benefit to it.
mark normand
Right, right.
You want it.
That's why, like, that sounds bad, but ugly people are funny.
joe rogan
A lot of ugly people are funny.
mark normand
You gotta bring it.
They did some study where kids trust ugly people less.
So it's not just being shallow, it's kind of innate.
joe rogan
Oh yeah, well imagine being a woman who has terrible genetics, and there's probably someone listening to it right now, and it's not a goddamn thing you can do about that.
mark normand
Yeah, it's not your fault.
joe rogan
You got a giant Fred Flintstone head.
mark normand
Sure.
joe rogan
You're trying to make your way through this life with a football player's body.
mark normand
Oh, yeah.
You got some moles on you.
joe rogan
Oh, you got everything wrong.
unidentified
Yeah.
joe rogan
Your hair's falling out.
You're like, shit.
mark normand
Yeah, yeah.
joe rogan
You got stubby fingers.
mark normand
Bad jowls.
You know, you got the turkey neck.
unidentified
Everything.
joe rogan
Weird elbows.
And you're just out there just trying to get after it.
unidentified
Yeah.
joe rogan
And nobody wants it.
mark normand
Yeah, that's why I love an ugly lady who's horny.
That's your favorite?
I'm not saying to bang.
I mean, I have.
But I love an ugly, horny lady because I feel like we have a lot in common.
joe rogan
I have a buddy of mine and his favorite is a girl with kind of a mugsy face but a killer body.
unidentified
Oh!
joe rogan
He's like, those gals go to work.
mark normand
That hits a nerve in a guy because it's attainable and she's probably got normal self-esteem.
She's not entitled.
joe rogan
She's at the gym ever.
Every day, all day, just fucking doing squats.
mark normand
Yeah, it's the same with meathead boring guys who are like, I gotta get some traps because I got no skills talking-wise.
joe rogan
Yeah, just find some dingbat chick and shoot those fucking loads into her.
mark normand
Yeah, you hope that all those groups meet.
Like, you dumb workout guy.
joe rogan
And then they get hit by an asteroid.
mark normand
Yeah, or that.
Or on the spot.
unidentified
Yeah.
joe rogan
Yeah, I mean, but sometimes those dingbats have kids and those kids go, God damn, my parents are fucking stupid.
I'm going to do something with my life.
mark normand
That's a good point.
joe rogan
That happens a lot.
I know a lot of really fucking smart people who have idiots for parents.
mark normand
That's a good point, yeah.
Thank God for those people.
joe rogan
Yeah, I think that's, you know, that whole expression?
Like, hard times make hard men.
Hard men make easy times.
Easy times make weak men.
mark normand
I'm hard.
joe rogan
I'm hard.
I think...
There's something to that.
We're synced up.
Like, fucked up parents make interesting kids.
mark normand
Sometimes.
Not all the time.
joe rogan
Not all the time.
mark normand
Yeah, it's not like a pedophile, where if I touch your kid, he'll be a pedophile.
joe rogan
That's a weird one, right?
mark normand
Isn't that crazy?
It's like vampires.
joe rogan
Yeah, that's apparently a big one with priests.
unidentified
Oh!
joe rogan
They did this thing about how many priests who molest kids were actually molested by priests, and it's very high.
mark normand
That is wild, dude.
joe rogan
It's horrible.
mark normand
Yeah, you'd think.
Like, I'd go the other way.
joe rogan
Yeah, you would think you'd learn some horrible thing happened to you.
You don't ever want that to happen to someone else.
mark normand
But it just shows how fucking crazy kid fucking gets into a kid's psyche.
Like, it messes you up.
joe rogan
It breaks everything.
mark normand
Yeah.
joe rogan
Because you're in this, you know, and also you've, like, lost your trust in adults.
And then a lot of girls, when they get molested when they're young, they become hyper-sexualized.
And they try to use their sex to get attention, like, deep into their life.
mark normand
Sure.
Like, a lot of porn stars, I think.
joe rogan
A lot of porn stars.
mark normand
Diddled.
joe rogan
Yeah, yeah.
mark normand
Yikes.
But then there's also the Oprahs of the world, the Michael Jackson, the Tyler Perry.
These people are all diddled.
And look at them!
They use their diddle anger into greatness.
joe rogan
Sure.
Yeah, it's not standard.
It's not like everybody who gets molested.
mark normand
It's like when you get bullied, you can channel your rage into getting better at something.
joe rogan
Have you seen...
Do you watch TV at all?
unidentified
Oh yeah, I love TV. Do you watch The Outsider on HBO? I keep hearing how great it is.
mark normand
Joe List told me it was amazing.
joe rogan
Fuck, I watched episode four last night.
Fucking A, that show's good.
mark normand
Is it horror?
I don't like horror.
joe rogan
It is horror, yeah.
mark normand
Ah, shit.
joe rogan
But it's...
I don't want to give away too much.
It's a mystery.
It's Jason...
mark normand
Biggs?
unidentified
Bateman.
mark normand
Bateman, thank you.
He's good.
He's in everything.
joe rogan
He's amazing.
He's amazing.
He's amazing in Ozark.
mark normand
Yeah, I love Ozark.
I finished that in two days.
joe rogan
Ozark's so good.
That show's so good.
This is like that, but I don't want to give away too much.
It's horror mystery.
mark normand
Alright.
joe rogan
It's fucking good, man.
mark normand
I'll check it out.
joe rogan
I mean, there's not a moment in that show so far where I've been like, what?
mark normand
It's Stephen King, right?
unidentified
Yes.
mark normand
He's a beast.
joe rogan
Stephen King.
How many books has that guy read?
mark normand
Fun fact.
joe rogan
What in the fuck?
mark normand
Stephen King grew up poor in Maine, and his dad did the old cigarette move and never came back.
Going out for a pack of smokes, fatty, and I'll see you in hell.
Never came back.
unidentified
Wow.
mark normand
And look at him.
Greatness.
You gotta channel it, folks.
joe rogan
Have you ever read Stephen King on writing?
mark normand
No.
joe rogan
Fantastic book.
mark normand
Oh, I'd like to.
joe rogan
It's fantastic.
It's all his process for writing, and all the different things he's gone through while he was writing, and a lot of the books he wrote, amazing ones.
mark normand
Yeah.
joe rogan
Like Cujo, he doesn't even remember writing it.
mark normand
Wow!
joe rogan
Just fucked up on coke and booze.
mark normand
Is that right?
unidentified
Yeah, yeah, yeah.
joe rogan
Just finding an empty case in his writing room.
mark normand
Yeah.
joe rogan
Coke everywhere.
unidentified
Wow!
joe rogan
And just writes this amazing book.
mark normand
That makes me like him more.
I didn't take him for a Coke hit.
joe rogan
I think Carrie was the first one that he sold.
Was it Carrie or Christine?
unidentified
Carrie.
joe rogan
I think it was Carrie.
Carrie was the first one he sold.
And he just, right out of the bat, they're like, holy fuck, what is this guy doing?
And he was just boozing and smoking.
Wow!
And smoking a ton of cigarettes, too.
Yeah, that's apparently, he said that was one of the big bummers when he quit smoking cigarettes is that cigarettes apparently positively affect...
mark normand
It juices you up.
joe rogan
Yeah, it juices up his neurons.
The firing of the neurons.
Yeah.
I've had a cigarette before I go on stage before.
mark normand
Oh, yeah?
joe rogan
Yeah, yeah.
You know, Hinchcliffe used to smoke cigarettes.
Now he just does the vape thing.
And one time I was like, give me one of those.
Just let me try it.
mark normand
Yeah.
joe rogan
Like, right before I went, I was like, whoa, you get juiced up.
And then I did it with Chappelle.
When Chappelle and I, we did a couple of arenas.
Yeah, but that's one of the reasons why.
mark normand
Interesting.
joe rogan
It fires up your brain.
unidentified
Uh-huh.
joe rogan
In a very unusual way.
And I think probably more so for someone who doesn't smoke.
mark normand
Of course.
joe rogan
Because you're not chasing the dragon.
You just get in the rush.
mark normand
Would the gum work?
unidentified
Yeah.
mark normand
Or does it have to be the cig?
joe rogan
I don't know.
I've tried the gum.
It didn't do much for me.
Cigars work.
mark normand
That's too much.
I've smoked cigars every now and then.
Halfway through, I always go, I've got to stop.
joe rogan
You almost throw up, right?
mark normand
Yeah, you almost throw up.
It gets me cloudy a little bit.
My anxiety goes up.
joe rogan
It definitely gets your anxiety up.
mark normand
You smoke weed a lot.
I'm such a lightweight when it comes to the ganja.
All the negative goes up and the good goes down.
joe rogan
You might have some demons.
mark normand
I hate myself.
No one likes you.
You're gay.
Whatever it is.
So it all escalates.
joe rogan
Well, there's good things.
None of those things are true.
So just smoke more weed and just deal with life.
mark normand
But I can't live like it.
It eats me alive.
It's too strong.
The voices are too powerful.
joe rogan
Yeah.
I like those voices.
I like them.
They teach you things.
They teach you things that are fucking with you.
They teach you what's bothering you.
That's what I like.
mark normand
But I can't win.
I can't beat them.
joe rogan
I understand.
mark normand
Like, when I'm hungover, oh my god.
It's not just physical pain, it's like, I can't, the phone rings and I'm like, I can't do it!
I can't face it!
It's horrible!
I gotta work on that.
joe rogan
Well, maybe not.
You know, everybody's different.
Like, some people have a really adverse reaction to coffee.
Caffeine really fucks them up.
Yeah, some people just can't drink coffee.
mark normand
Oh, I love coffee.
joe rogan
And some people can't smoke weed.
Like, we're all fucked.
So different.
mark normand
So different, yeah.
joe rogan
I have friends, one drink, and they get fucking gerbilized, and they're off to the races.
unidentified
Wow.
joe rogan
You don't even know where they are.
They're gone.
And now, you know, Mike's gone, and this is a fucking shell that looks like Mike with fucking shark eyes, and they're just running around with no soul.
It's like their soul leaves through their ears.
unidentified
Yes.
Ooh!
joe rogan
Flies away.
mark normand
Alcohol is so underestimated, or under whatever, because we...
I'll have four drinks, and I'm like, I notice I'm knocking a mailbox off out of a car with a baseball bat.
I'm like, how'd I get here?
unidentified
Yeah.
mark normand
I don't feel any guilt about it.
But if he was sober, he'd be like, shit, somebody's coming.
We're going to get caught.
We're going to get on film.
joe rogan
Oh, dude, especially if you're doing many shots.
If you're with buddies and you're like, come on, pussy, one more, one more.
Let's do it.
And you're eight, nine drinks in.
You're like, you're gone.
You're not even there anymore.
mark normand
It's also crazy to think from 13 to 31, I was drunk the whole time.
joe rogan
13?
mark normand
Oh, I've been from New Orleans, man.
We just got after it early.
And it was just part of the culture.
Your dad would hand you a Miller High Life, you know, and say, shut up and drink this.
joe rogan
Really?
mark normand
Yeah, it was a fun time.
I mean, I lost my virginity to a prostitute.
I grew up eight blocks from the French Quarter.
I went to public school.
It was bananas out there.
joe rogan
Yeah, we talked about your transgender nanny that was taking care of you, too.
mark normand
You got that right.
joe rogan
Beating up people for taking your bike.
mark normand
Yeah, that's right.
That's a great story.
I tried to sell.
I'm pitching all this shit, and nobody wants it.
joe rogan
Really?
mark normand
I've pitched 15 shows.
joe rogan
Jeffrey Tambor was out of a job, and he was really good on that other one.
mark normand
He was good, yeah.
He's a beast.
joe rogan
He got in trouble with the real transgender people.
mark normand
I heard, I heard.
Most trans people I've met are pretty cool, and they don't want to be coddled.
We think, oh, easy.
You know what's weird?
We're not really helpful to midgets.
Have you noticed that?
joe rogan
I don't think you're supposed to say that anymore.
mark normand
Oh, what do you call them?
joe rogan
Small people.
mark normand
Small people?
Little people.
Sorry.
I mean, I'm friends with a couple.
unidentified
Littles.
mark normand
But I don't know.
How do you shorten little people?
LPs?
joe rogan
Yeah, LPs.
mark normand
All right.
And we're standard play.
They're little.
But yeah, they're all good eggs and they don't get any help.
Like no one's shortening anything.
Like nothing on earth is designed for them.
joe rogan
That's true.
mark normand
And yet we don't...
Like, toilets are still tall, and they gotta jump up there.
But trans, we help with the toilet.
And I'm saying, that's great, we accommodate, but why don't we ever help them?
Isn't that strange?
joe rogan
What do you think there's more of?
mark normand
Oh, there's gotta be more midge.
joe rogan
Not anymore.
mark normand
I don't know.
joe rogan
Trans is becoming really chic.
mark normand
Yeah, but midge, you can't pick.
joe rogan
Right.
mark normand
Well, I don't know if trans is...
joe rogan
You can't fake it.
mark normand
You can't fake a midge.
unidentified
Interesting.
mark normand
Can you say midge?
It's a name.
joe rogan
Yeah.
It's tricky, though.
It's like calling a white guy with a backwards baseball hat a wigger.
unidentified
Right.
joe rogan
It's like, I don't know if you...
That sounds too much like bigger.
mark normand
What about Tigger in Winnie the Pooh?
He could jump high, he was loud.
joe rogan
You know, Winnie the Pooh is all about an acid trip.
mark normand
No, they say that about everything.
joe rogan
The ride.
mark normand
Come on.
joe rogan
Go on the ride.
The ride?
Yeah, the ride at Disneyland.
mark normand
That sounds like the worst ride of all time.
joe rogan
It's basically an acid trip.
I remember one of the times I did it, I went through Disneyland High as fuck, and I was on the ride, I was like, oh, this is Winnie the Pooh's, he's on acid.
Like, there's all these visuals, and everything becomes psychedelic, and the colors are weird.
mark normand
Really?
joe rogan
Yeah, see if you can get a video of the Winnie the Pooh ride.
No, I'm telling you.
mark normand
Alice in Wonderland, I'll get.
Alright, there's mushrooms, there's talking cats and shit.
joe rogan
No, something happens during the ride, and you go, like, Winnie the Pooh goes into Dreamland, Oh, I don't know about the dreamland.
When he goes to the dreamland, you're basically on acid.
You're going through an acid trip.
mark normand
It just feels like he's mellow.
He's eating honey.
He's got no pants.
Doesn't feel acid-y.
joe rogan
Well, watch this.
See?
There's the Winnie the Pooh ride.
mark normand
This is a Disney World?
unidentified
Yeah.
joe rogan
Disneyland.
mark normand
Disneyland.
joe rogan
This is out here.
Okay.
So you go through, everything's normal.
unidentified
All right.
joe rogan
And then as you're going through, not really.
This is just pretty.
unidentified
Okay.
joe rogan
Everything's lights, and yeah, you're on this little fucking thing, and you're on your little roller coaster ride.
And oh, here's Winnie.
mark normand
All right.
joe rogan
And he's floating around with a balloon.
It's kind of a cool ride.
You know what was great?
unidentified
Good colors.
joe rogan
When my daughters were really young, they liked this.
Oh, so pretty.
mark normand
Very pretty.
joe rogan
And you're going through, and there's Eeyore, and then there's that other pig.
unidentified
Mm-hmm.
joe rogan
I don't know who the fuck that is.
Piglet.
And so then you go through, a bunch of shit happens, and give me a little fast forward here because it's going to be boring.
mark normand
Yeah, this is the worst trip ever.
jamie vernon
Isn't that LSD honey?
Isn't that like a way?
joe rogan
I think that's what it is.
Well, there's that Nepal honey, that psychedelic honey.
Maybe that's what it is.
Give me a little fast forward.
mark normand
It is a little trippy.
joe rogan
Oh, what was that?
That's it.
That's the trip.
So right there.
So what happens before that trip?
Find out what happens right before that, Jamie.
Something happens.
Yeah, see, because he's floating around.
Watch.
So Winnie the Pooh is sitting there, and all of a sudden he floats out of his head.
And look, he's floating like he's fucking tripping balls.
And then as the thing goes, it goes black, and then you see Winnie floating, and then boom, you're in psychedelic land.
Everything is weird and whacked out, and there's jack-in-the-box heads with big tongues, and everything is neon psychedelic colors, and the world's melting, and it's honey, and honey spelled phonetically correctly.
mark normand
I see it now.
It's got a little, what's that, fear and loathing.
joe rogan
It's DMT. This is like a DMT trip.
That's what it's like.
All these psychedelic things, you're seeing this is about as close to creating some sort of a psychedelic hallucinogenic trip in a kid's ride, as you can get away with without getting arrested.
mark normand
See, I thought you meant the actual cartoon and story.
joe rogan
No, no, no, no, no.
mark normand
But this, I see.
joe rogan
Yeah, it's like, they're doing something.
mark normand
Oh, yeah.
joe rogan
Like, why is he tripping balls?
mark normand
You're a millionaire, and that's the way you spend your time.
jamie vernon
Just reminding me, I didn't show it to you yet, there's a VR, I don't think it's a game, but I think it's like a VR experience if they have multiple of those, but it's an ayahuasca trip.
mark normand
Bring it on, James!
joe rogan
What's interesting that you're saying this is that Terrence McKenna actually predicted that you could recreate in the future with virtual reality a psychedelic trip and it would have the same exact effect as a psychedelic trip because it would be able to show you the same visuals.
You know, you remember...
I don't know if you remember this, but there used to be, you know what phone freaking was?
Do you remember phone freaking?
There was a way that you could use a public pay phone and you had a device that would make a noise.
Because a public pay phone, right, you'd press a button like beep, beep, beep, beep, beep, beep, beep, beep, beep.
Well, you would hold a thing up to the phone and it would go.
*Whaaaaaaaaaa* It would send a signal through sound, and the phone would just open up for you so you could use it.
mark normand
Oh, no quarter.
joe rogan
No quarter.
And you would just start calling people.
mark normand
Oh, cool.
joe rogan
And it was done somehow or another through sound, like you would mimic the sound the phone would make ordinarily.
mark normand
Uh-huh.
joe rogan
And so it tricked whatever was on the other end that was waiting for the signal that was coming from those beep-beep-beep things.
Is this it here?
Mm-hmm.
unidentified
Ayahuasca.
mark normand
Oh, this is exciting, because I've always wanted to do it.
unidentified
Bum-bum-bum-bum-bum.
mark normand
Have you done it?
joe rogan
I have done DMT. I have not done ayahuasca, but this looks a lot like DMT. You've done DMT? You never mentioned it.
mark normand
I'm joking.
joe rogan
Yeah, there it is.
There it is.
Yeah.
mark normand
Oh, wow.
joe rogan
That's pretty cool.
Yeah, they're eventually going to be able to nail this and make it exactly like what you'd experience.
mark normand
Right.
VR is going to be dangerous, man.
That's going to take over a lot of shit.
joe rogan
Have you done any of the VR experiences that you can go to now in a warehouse?
mark normand
No, I've done the goggles and you feel like you're in a whatever church or a forest or something.
unidentified
Yeah.
mark normand
And it's pretty damn convincing.
joe rogan
We have one of those Oculus things right out here that's attached to an iPad.
It's pretty cool.
But there's a thing in Woodland Hills called Sandbox.
They have a couple of them somewhere else besides Woodland Hills.
But one of them is only a few miles from here.
And you put these VR goggles on.
And when you get the goggles on, you go into this house and you fight zombies.
And, I mean, dude, it'll fucking freak you out because it's all dark.
And the zombies are running at you.
mark normand
Oh, wow.
joe rogan
There it is.
So they dress you up.
So you got these VR things.
mark normand
Just a fat kid in basketball shorts.
joe rogan
So this is reality and zombies.
So this is you running through this.
This is what it looks like to anybody watching.
But what you see is these crazy fucking zombies running at you and these giant pus-filled monsters.
It's fucking scary.
I guess they're not showing the actual footage of the video.
But it's pretty dope.
mark normand
Yeah.
joe rogan
It's a heartbeat thing.
You get your heart rate jacked.
mark normand
Wow.
joe rogan
Because it feels like they're really coming at you.
And you're wearing a haptic feedback vest.
So when they claw at you, you feel it on your chest.
Like, ah, ah, ah, ah.
mark normand
But imagine the fuck they are.
Yeah, there they are.
joe rogan
That's what they look like.
unidentified
Whoa!
mark normand
It's so embarrassing when they show the other one.
joe rogan
Oh, yeah.
See that?
So the zombies are running at you.
They're in your face, like, really quickly.
unidentified
Wow!
joe rogan
Yeah, it freaks you out, man.
mark normand
It's kind of funny.
That's basically what Twitter is.
You think you're changing the world, you think you're doing all this shit, and it's just you in a basement.
joe rogan
And nothing's really happening.
mark normand
And nothing's really...
You think you're killing zombies.
joe rogan
Booking now available.
Deadwood Mansion, that's what it's called.
It's fucking dope.
mark normand
Very exciting.
unidentified
I love it.
joe rogan
I'm a fan.
mark normand
Yeah, give that to the school shooters.
You know, just have a classroom setting, and they can just shoot it up so they won't shoot up a real one.
joe rogan
I don't think that has the same feeling of chaos.
mark normand
But if we could get their actual teacher and their actual classmates, I feel like that'd be a nice way to get that out of your system.
joe rogan
It'd be a little better than what they're doing now.
mark normand
Sure, sure.
joe rogan
Sure.
mark normand
Maybe with pedophiles, too.
You could have a kid in there and let them get it over with.
joe rogan
Right.
Imagine if they did that, if they said the best way to treat pedophiles is to have virtual children that you can rape.
People would be like, wait, what?
mark normand
I mean, it sounds crazy, but it's a victimless crime.
It's like when you give the heroin addicts free needles.
joe rogan
Or you give them methadone.
mark normand
Or that, too.
But people go, what are you giving them drugs?
You go, well, it's better than them dying on AIDS-y heroin needles.
joe rogan
Right.
Or, you know, overdosing.
Give them heroin.
There's places in the world where they give them a distributed amount of heroin that's pure.
So they make sure that they're not giving them anything that's spiked or got some fentanyl in it.
mark normand
On paper, you go, what are you, crazy?
You're giving him heroin?
But it's better.
It's almost like the first guy to think of gangrene.
Did you hear about that guy in World War II? Everybody's getting gangrene.
So he said, fuck that.
He cut his arm open, stabbed one of the dead guys, and put a little bit of gangrene in his wound.
And everybody's like, what are you, nuts?
And he's like, I'll get immune to it.
And he worked.
joe rogan
Really?
mark normand
It worked!
So that kind of outside-the-box thinking...
joe rogan
What a fucking crazy asshole.
mark normand
I know, but I mean, look around.
There's dead bodies everywhere.
He's got no hope.
He's walking in a gunfire.
Yeah, it might have been World War I, but it was some World War or a war.
joe rogan
Some fucking savage from Iowa.
Some farmer savage.
mark normand
But brilliant guy in a way.
joe rogan
Yeah, a lot of ways.
mark normand
Thinking outside the box.
I love different kind of thinking.
unidentified
Yeah.
mark normand
You know, that's why I like comedy.
Because you see something like Norm Macdonald's got that great bit about, and my dad had a heart attack and died, and they go, hey, he's in a better place.
He's on the floor.
You know, it's like, I like that kind of...
You go, oh, yeah, you're right.
joe rogan
Yeah.
mark normand
You're not wrong, but...
Yeah, I don't know.
I like that stuff.
joe rogan
Yeah, I do too, man.
I mean, comedy is like, we all have these, particularly for people that were working in these jobs, like we were talking before when you do these corporate gigs, for those people, comedy is kind of extra important because their whole brain is programmed to this fake way of thinking and talking all day.
mark normand
Sing it, sister.
And I think it's cathartic.
You go into a comedy club and some guy says some horrible thing and you're like, ah, I feel better.
joe rogan
All my friends that I know that do work, I only have a few friends that do work in office environments, they fucking love comedy.
mark normand
Love it.
joe rogan
They need it.
Yes.
It's like it gives you assholes like you and me just saying things that they could never say.
mark normand
But we're different than that.
I think we're a little built differently.
I couldn't do that office gig.
I was a janitor for years just because I didn't want to talk to anybody.
And it was a better job than clerical bullshit.
I don't want to be in a cubicle.
joe rogan
I delivered newspapers for the same reason.
I was in my car, driving by myself, throwing the papers out the window.
mark normand
That's a great gig.
joe rogan
Yeah, it was a great gig for a comic.
mark normand
I always say if I wasn't a comic, I'd be a FedEx guy or UPS guy.
That would be my gig.
You're outdoors, you got no door on the fucking van, you got shorts on.
joe rogan
You can listen to whatever you want.
mark normand
Whatever you want.
You got headphones in, it's great.
joe rogan
Actually, it's a great gig, right?
I have a buddy of mine who's a mailman.
mark normand
Oh, well that's a little different.
joe rogan
Back in Boston.
mark normand
That's a little different.
unidentified
Same thing.
joe rogan
He had a route.
He would fucking put headphones on, listen to music, walk around.
mark normand
The problem with mailman is you've got to hit every single house.
The package guy.
Everybody loves a package.
unidentified
Right.
mark normand
Also, I'm sure there's some horny housewife who you can pop in on.
Yeah.
What can Brown do for you, bitch?
So, yeah.
joe rogan
Some milfy.
Milfy lady in lingerie.
Oh, I'll sign that.
Do you want to come inside?
Uh, okay.
mark normand
Yeah, that's hot.
That's porn.
joe rogan
Yeah, how many ladies can do that, though?
The thing is, if a guy is at the door, and the guy looks good, and she looks good, it's almost 100% of the time she can get that guy to fuck him.
mark normand
I know, what a privilege.
joe rogan
Almost 100% of the time she can get that guy to fuck her.
mark normand
I think that's a big part of why women aren't as aggressive because they don't have to be.
Of course.
joe rogan
Well, it's not their nature.
The male, the testosterone, the conqueror.
mark normand
If you took fucking away from women for six months...
That would be interesting to see how much they'd want to fuck.
Not that women aren't horny, obviously they get horny, but it's a safe horny.
Guys will walk into a glory hole and put their dick through it.
I don't think a lady's putting her vag up to a wall.
joe rogan
That is the weirdest form of porn.
unidentified
Isn't that weird?
mark normand
Yes!
joe rogan
I love it.
The glory hole porn.
mark normand
I'm a big fan.
joe rogan
Where there's a girl just sitting in a fucking refrigerator box.
mark normand
Yeah!
joe rogan
And a guy just sticks his hog through a hole.
She's like, oh yeah.
mark normand
Well, it's the ultimate fantasy.
joe rogan
But it's weird.
mark normand
I can't get a girl at the bar to fuck me, but if I put my dick through this hole, and I don't know who's on the other side.
It could be LBJ. Oh, BJ. I just fell backwards into that one.
joe rogan
Yeah, it could be anybody.
mark normand
Could be anybody.
Could be Rosa Parks.
joe rogan
You're cool with that.
You just deal with it.
mark normand
Sure.
joe rogan
You just deal with it.
It just feels good.
You pretend it's someone hot.
mark normand
Yeah, and also you hope the wall is not too thick.
joe rogan
Right.
mark normand
Because you want to get as much maximum dong shaft.
joe rogan
Right!
That's why the refrigerator box is a good move.
mark normand
Perfect.
Love a box.
joe rogan
You can't have a real wall.
unidentified
No!
mark normand
You don't want sheetrock cutting down on your two inches.
joe rogan
Oh, yeah.
Well, not only that, the fucking chalky, rough stuff.
mark normand
That would ruin it.
joe rogan
You're banging your shaft on the sheetrock.
mark normand
Yeah.
joe rogan
Imagine you get sheetrock scrapes on your hog.
mark normand
Oh, I've been there.
J-Mo, you got a long one.
jamie vernon
It'd be nice and smooth and eroded by then.
By all the rest of the day.
unidentified
Good point.
joe rogan
We need to be rubbing areas where dudes' dicks rubbed up against.
You're going to get some of that koala bear chlamydia.
mark normand
That's fine.
You ever had the chlamydia?
joe rogan
Never.
mark normand
Come on!
You were fucking in the 90s.
joe rogan
I got lucky.
mark normand
You were a hot piece.
joe rogan
I got lucky.
mark normand
Alright.
joe rogan
Never got it.
You got it?
mark normand
Many times.
joe rogan
How many?
mark normand
I think I've gotten it four times.
joe rogan
How come it's not like gangrene where your body gets immunity to it?
mark normand
You get it and you get rid of it real quick.
I can ride it out.
joe rogan
Why don't you just ride it out and then maybe you'll be immune to it.
mark normand
Maybe, but I don't want to give it to someone else.
joe rogan
Oh, but you're going to fuck no matter what, right?
mark normand
Yeah, I just wear the condo, but then the booze kicks in and you go, ah, fuck it.
Take it off.
Also, fun fact, and ladies won't admit to this, but there's a lot of skanks out there doing the, just take it off.
Take it off!
joe rogan
Oh yeah.
mark normand
They don't come clean on that, but that's a big thing ladies do that I don't get.
joe rogan
Feels better for them.
mark normand
Does it?
joe rogan
Supposedly.
I've never had a guy fuck me in my vagina.
unidentified
God!
joe rogan
With or without a condom.
mark normand
Women are so secretive.
Why don't they tell us shit?
joe rogan
Because they get shamed, man.
mark normand
But man up!
Or have some balls.
Be shamed and live your life.
joe rogan
I think the shame that women experience is fucking really frustrating.
mark normand
I guess so.
joe rogan
Because guys, when guys shame women, it's mean.
And guys shaming women about being sluts, that shit doesn't work on men.
Right.
It doesn't work the other way.
If a girl says, yeah, you just fucked ten girls, you piece of shit.
You're like, eh, what am I going to do?
mark normand
But they could make it not work.
Just go, yeah, blow me.
Fuck you.
I don't care.
joe rogan
It's not in their wheelhouse.
mark normand
Why not?
Toughen up.
joe rogan
Because genetics.
Because the way the world has been, sort of the world of human beings has been evolved.
I'm clearly talking like a scientist here.
mark normand
But look at the N-word.
The N-word was flipped.
Now it's a positive for them.
So use slut.
joe rogan
Well, they've tried.
Remember Amber Rose had the slut walk in LA? She still had it?
Or did she give up on that?
unidentified
Good for her.
joe rogan
When is it?
Might be next week.
jamie vernon
It's coming up soon.
Fourth one, I think.
joe rogan
Really?
Slut walk number four.
Imagine if he gets slut walk 40 and she's strapping everything down and tying everything together and waddling out there.
mark normand
Yeah, she's very sexy.
joe rogan
I like that, huh?
mark normand
Oh, yeah.
Curvy, curvy, curvy lady.
joe rogan
Plus, the confidence you have to have to wear that haircut.
mark normand
Oh, the short hair.
joe rogan
Yeah.
That's a girl who knows she's hot.
mark normand
And you've got to have a pretty face.
joe rogan
Oh, yeah.
mark normand
You know, to pull the short hair.
Oh, yeah.
But the slut thing, the problem with the slut thing, and nobody wants to say it, is I don't care if you're a slut.
I say be promiscuous, go nuts, hoe it up.
But they feel guilty.
joe rogan
Well, they feel guilty, I think, because of biology.
For the same reason that Eric Weinstein was telling me that there's different mating strategies that people have.
For a female to just hoe it up all the time, she's not going to have a man that's there to take care of the child while she's pregnant and vulnerable.
I think this is what biology is sort of set up.
mark normand
Right, right.
Wow, that's fascinating.
I think that's why, like...
joe rogan
real you know biological yeah i'm not gonna have a baby if we or he's gonna be retarded if we don't fuck now and have a kid but there's also different countries that have different feelings about sex like a lot of latin american countries they're very very open sexually and very very it's different the women too yeah yeah the women too they They have just a different attitude about it.
Australia, different parts of the world, they're freer and open about sex.
mark normand
Good, good for them.
joe rogan
Even in Canada, I think it's different than in America.
unidentified
Yeah, why are we?
mark normand
It's a Puritan.
You know, like Chris Brown, to me, What he did was worse than what Louis C.K. did.
But Louis C.K. has a sexual component which makes everything way worse in America.
Like, I'd rather be jerked off on than punched in the face.
joe rogan
Well, you didn't even jerk off on them.
You jerked off in front of them.
mark normand
Whatever it was.
joe rogan
Yeah.
mark normand
So it's like, why are we so focused on...
Let's...
joe rogan
It's now.
Because the Chris Brown thing happened now.
The Chris Brown thing happened before this whole Me Too thing took place.
mark normand
Ah, so it's a timing thing.
joe rogan
Yeah, for sure.
mark normand
Isn't that interesting?
joe rogan
For sure.
unidentified
Weird.
joe rogan
There's a lot of people that snuck through that sort of time period.
mark normand
Right.
joe rogan
You know?
mark normand
Aren't you glad you never raped anybody?
joe rogan
Yes.
mark normand
Man.
I mean, I don't want to.
So glad.
I'm glad you don't have that A on your conscience and B on your record.
joe rogan
And also, aren't you glad you never got raped?
mark normand
Sure, sure.
joe rogan
That's a big one.
That's a big one.
mark normand
I've fucked people unconsensually.
But I've never been held down and banged.
joe rogan
How do you fuck people unconsensually?
mark normand
Oh, you know, you got a gal and she's like, come on!
You're like, I'm good!
She's like, come on!
You're like, alright.
joe rogan
Oh, so you didn't really consent, but you made her...
So you made it sound like she didn't consent, but you really didn't consent.
mark normand
No, I didn't.
But that's normal.
I think everybody does that.
You fuck your ugly wife or your ugly husband.
joe rogan
But if a girl wants to fuck you and she talks you into it and you feel bad afterwards, no one's going to feel sorry for you.
mark normand
You got that right.
joe rogan
But if a guy does that to a girl, bachelors a girl into doing it, people will come down hard on you.
mark normand
It's weird how that works.
Because I get the dicks and DMs all day long.
I get all that shit.
joe rogan
No one cares.
mark normand
Nobody cares.
And I go, what if this bothered me?
And people go, ah, you're a guy.
Fuck you.
joe rogan
Do you know Whitney?
Do you know Whitney?
unidentified
No.
mark normand
I do.
A little bit.
Not well.
I like her.
joe rogan
Ask her about the DMs that she gets.
mark normand
Oh, really?
joe rogan
She shows them to us.
mark normand
Really?
joe rogan
I told her to get a book.
I said you should write a book about dick pics that people send you.
Because it's not a dozen.
It's dozens.
mark normand
Really?
joe rogan
Dozens.
unidentified
Man.
joe rogan
She's always got weird dicks coming her way, too.
mark normand
Like curvy?
joe rogan
We're in a group text.
She'll show us the dicks.
I'm like, what the fuck?
mark normand
Wow.
joe rogan
Weird, weird hooked dicks.
mark normand
Yeah.
Do they like, does she like it?
joe rogan
No!
mark normand
Yeah, see, that's it.
joe rogan
She doesn't want it.
It's just, guys just send pictures.
They do it to every girl.
Look, there is probably a fucking gigantic population of creepy dudes out there that send dick pics.
mark normand
Well, here's another one.
I was hooking up with this girl years ago I met in Arizona, and she was like, send me a dick pic.
And I was like, alright, sent her the dick pic.
Eight, five, I will say five years goes by, I get a tweet and Hey, is this Mark your dick?
It's added me.
And it was!
It was my sheets, my shoes were in it, my desk was in the background, and I was like, that's not mine.
And I was like, oh!
It spooked me!
joe rogan
So she sent you that or someone else did?
mark normand
Some random guy like Minnesota said, hey, is this your dick?
joe rogan
She texted to some guy.
unidentified
I guess.
joe rogan
Fuck Mark Norman.
unidentified
Here's his cock.
mark normand
And I just denied it.
joe rogan
Oh, fuck him.
Fuck that guy.
I'm going to put it on Twitter.
mark normand
I gave it a favorite and I moved on.
joe rogan
Isn't that interesting how Twitter lets you show dicks?
unidentified
Yeah!
joe rogan
Twitter lets you show hardcore porn.
mark normand
Hardcore porn.
joe rogan
Hardcore porn.
mark normand
Which is fun.
Sometimes you're in the airport, like, eh, fuck it.
joe rogan
It's crazy.
mark normand
I'll look at this for a minute.
joe rogan
Yeah, I mean, you could ass-fucking, cumming, everything.
mark normand
Oh, yeah.
joe rogan
Everything.
mark normand
You name it, baby.
joe rogan
Isn't that weird?
I mean, it's a gigantic platform.
And to allow hardcore porn.
mark normand
Instagram does not.
joe rogan
No!
Instagram, you can't even show nipple.
mark normand
Oh, wow.
joe rogan
You can't show anything.
Girls get kicked off of Instagram for having, like, transparent shirts.
mark normand
Oh, really?
joe rogan
Yeah, you can't even show nipple.
mark normand
Isn't it amazing when you see how many beautiful, sexy, stunning women are on Instagram?
You could go through for hours.
It's probably our best resource.
You talk about oil and all this shit?
I think the hot women in America, it's up there.
joe rogan
It's pretty good.
mark normand
It's pretty good.
joe rogan
But it's also, there's a lot of Photoshop out there.
unidentified
Ah, damn it, you're right.
joe rogan
Remember what I was talking about?
These ladies doing cartoon work on their pictures?
mark normand
Killing my dream, man.
joe rogan
Killing the dream.
mark normand
Also, it's weird.
This is some guy's daughter and some mom's daughter.
joe rogan
Yep, yep.
But then she hits 24. She's on her own.
mark normand
I guess so.
joe rogan
Or whatever age it is.
mark normand
Are you nervous about that?
joe rogan
Yeah, you have to be.
But I'm also, look, I think girls like boys and boys like girls.
I want everybody to be happy, you know?
unidentified
Yeah.
joe rogan
I would hope that, yeah, there's gays too.
I would hope that, you know, they could find someone who's nice to them.
And I would hope that they don't get bullshitted.
mark normand
But I mean, remember you?
You were a fucking poon hound back in the 40s, you know?
You know what it's like about these dudes out there.
joe rogan
That was back before radio, though.
mark normand
That's true.
joe rogan
Nobody knew anything.
Nobody knew any better.
Imagine if you live in...
Like legitimately living like a thousand years ago.
They probably didn't even understand how you got pregnant.
You know, diseases killed you.
You got syphilis, everybody died, your hair fell out, your nose rotted off your face.
They would have crazy diseases and no cure.
mark normand
That's probably why the Bible steps in.
You know, it's like, hey, don't eat pork.
Pork's killing everybody.
Let's say don't eat pork on Friday or whatever it is.
joe rogan
Abstinence, too.
They're trying to preserve you from venereal diseases.
mark normand
Right, right.
And that's why being a virgin was so good.
You know, if you're not, you get thrown in the volcano.
joe rogan
Yeah.
Yeah, I was reading this book about the Wild West, and they were talking about all the people that had syphilis.
They just all went to whorehouses, and they all got sick.
mark normand
Man, we're so lucky to be alive in this time.
Oh, we're getting yelled at on Twitter!
Those guys had to ride a horse without a saddle.
joe rogan
But imagine when it's like a hundred years from now, they're going to be looking at these poor idiots.
They didn't have virtual reality.
mark normand
I know, that's true.
joe rogan
They got to live in the real world and drive cars everywhere.
mark normand
Yeah, ignorance is bliss, man.
joe rogan
Yeah, you don't know.
I mean, back in the Wild West days, they were just happy they figured out the horse.
mark normand
That's true.
joe rogan
Like, oh my God, so glad we had horses.
Imagine those idiots that didn't have horses?
mark normand
Right, right.
joe rogan
They don't walk everywhere?
Get the fuck out of here.
mark normand
Dude, that Donner Pass, the fact that that happened is bananas.
unidentified
Yeah.
joe rogan
Not that long ago, man.
mark normand
I know, I know.
joe rogan
And it didn't just happen once.
There was a couple other instances of people trying to make it across and froze to death out there.
mark normand
Damn.
But the movies in 4098 are going to be so much more boring.
We get to watch The Revenant.
Some guy's chasing Native Americans.
He's killing a bear.
He's fighting a guy in a river.
But the movie in that year is going to be a bunch of dudes podcasting.
You know what I mean?
It's going to suck, because we don't have any struggles, so there's no conflict for a movie.
joe rogan
I wonder if they'll ever have a podcasting movie.
mark normand
Oh, it's going to happen.
joe rogan
A movie about podcasts getting crazy, podcasts changing the world.
mark normand
We've had Angry Birds.
joe rogan
Do you remember Christian Slater had that, what was that radio?
mark normand
Pump Up the Volume.
joe rogan
Yes.
jamie vernon
Kevin Smith had one.
joe rogan
Kevin Smith did?
jamie vernon
Yeah, we're...
Walrus.
mark normand
Walrus?
jamie vernon
Remember?
I don't know if you saw this.
It came out maybe three or four years ago.
joe rogan
That was about podcasting?
jamie vernon
He played a podcaster who was going to get an interview and the guy kidnapped him and turned him into a walrus.
mark normand
Oh, that's a kidnap movie.
joe rogan
I never saw that movie.
jamie vernon
Yeah, well...
joe rogan
I saw Red State, though.
That was one of his best movies.
mark normand
That was crazy.
joe rogan
That was crazy.
He made me see that movie without telling me anything.
He goes, I don't want to tell you shit.
I don't want to tell you anything.
Just have a seat.
mark normand
Bad PR for Republicans.
unidentified
Tusk.
That's right.
mark normand
That's right.
Tusk.
joe rogan
Yeah.
Crazy movie, though.
I was like, Jesus, Kevin.
I didn't see that coming at all.
I thought it was going to be like a funny movie.
mark normand
I didn't know he had it in him.
joe rogan
Yeah, he did.
mark normand
You just hear about, you know, comic books and hockey jerseys.
joe rogan
Oh, Jesus.
Don't show me that.
mark normand
Holy hell.
joe rogan
Why are you showing me that?
You just spoiler alerted me.
mark normand
Was that Dr. Phil?
joe rogan
Son of a bitch.
unidentified
Just typed in the movie.
joe rogan
It's like on the front cover of the movie.
And then you showed it to me.
Son of a bitch.
unidentified
Right.
joe rogan
What if I was going to watch that tonight?
Like, I wonder how this turns out.
I wonder what it looks like.
mark normand
You know what else is kooky is the fact that our attention spans are getting so short.
We like a YouTube video to be four seconds.
All we do is check the time.
But then the movies are getting longer.
joe rogan
Yeah.
mark normand
Isn't that weird?
joe rogan
It is weird.
So our podcast.
mark normand
Yeah.
joe rogan
Bill Maher had that statement.
He was like, how come our attention span is either seven seconds or three hours?
mark normand
Right.
Exactly.
Like the Irishman, Once Upon a Time in Hollywood, these are all three hour plus.
Yeah.
joe rogan
Did you like The Irishman?
I haven't seen it yet.
mark normand
Well, you gotta watch it in chunks, which is shitty.
joe rogan
Because it's too long?
mark normand
I love Scorsese, and I liked it.
It's not his best by far, but I liked it.
joe rogan
Why do you gotta watch it in chunks?
Because it's so long?
mark normand
It's so long, yeah.
joe rogan
What if you're one of those guys that just can sit there for four hours?
mark normand
You could do it, but it's like a novel.
You gotta really take it in.
joe rogan
How many hours is it?
mark normand
Three and change, I think.
jamie vernon
That took a break about two hours in.
I got some 20 minutes to get up and walk around.
joe rogan
That's weird, man.
mark normand
I got some problems with it, but it's a good movie.
joe rogan
Yeah, when you go to the movie theaters, when was the last time you went to the movie theater and you saw a three-plus-hour movie?
mark normand
I went two nights ago, but it wasn't three and a half.
joe rogan
When was the last time there was a legit three?
jamie vernon
I remember that...
Tarantino movie.
They did the double feature.
They had like an intermission.
mark normand
Oh, Grindhouse.
jamie vernon
Yeah, yeah.
mark normand
That's right.
jamie vernon
They had stuff they were playing during it.
mark normand
I went to that.
I saw that in the theater.
joe rogan
But those are two movies.
jamie vernon
Right, right, right.
joe rogan
They're standalone.
jamie vernon
Yeah, yeah, yeah.
joe rogan
But Once Upon a Time in Hollywood, that was pretty fucking long too, wasn't it?
mark normand
Pretty long.
Yeah.
I watched that twice and I loved it.
joe rogan
That dude, he's doing it right.
mark normand
He really is!
joe rogan
He's doing it right.
He's got only nine movies.
He's going to make ten movies, and then he's going to retire.
mark normand
Yeah.
joe rogan
Allegedly.
unidentified
I heard he's going to TV. They're going to back up the fucking Brinks truck.
mark normand
But thank God he slipped through.
There's some guy out there who's just as brilliant as him who hasn't gotten a shot yet.
joe rogan
Maybe, but here's the thing.
He's grandfathered in, too.
Because his movies are so fucked up.
Like, Once Upon a Time in Hollywood.
Spoiler alert!
There's some scenes where he's taking this chick's head and fucking smashing it.
mark normand
It's great.
joe rogan
Whoa!
I don't know if a new filmmaker could get away with that today.
mark normand
Interesting.
joe rogan
I don't know.
Because some of that shit's disturbing.
mark normand
It's very disturbing.
joe rogan
Yeah, and I think he's so grandfathered in with the hyper-violent, ultra-violent movies.
mark normand
Well, it goes to show if you sell tickets, nobody gives a fuck.
joe rogan
Nobody gives a fuck.
mark normand
You're making money.
joe rogan
But with him, there's no risk.
Like, if it's a Quentin Tarantino movie, he's never missed once.
mark normand
Right.
joe rogan
Django, Hateful Eight, Pulp Fiction, you keep going down the list.
All those fucking movies.
Reservoir Dogs.
mark normand
Yeah.
joe rogan
They're all killer movies.
mark normand
And they're all gory as shit and dark as shit.
joe rogan
Has he had one bad movie?
Name a bad Tarantino movie.
mark normand
Some are better than others, but none are bad.
joe rogan
Yeah, but they're all great.
mark normand
Like, Hateful Eight I even liked.
joe rogan
I loved that movie.
mark normand
Yeah.
joe rogan
What was...
Django was fucking fantastic.
mark normand
Django was fun.
joe rogan
And you get to realize Leonardo DiCaprio can act his fucking ass off.
mark normand
Oh, he's amazing, man.
joe rogan
Like, you see him in a lot of these movies.
And you know what the problem with Leonardo DiCaprio is?
First of all, he's beautiful.
I don't like that.
mark normand
He's getting uglier, though.
Let's give him that.
joe rogan
A little bit.
A touch.
We're getting a little chub.
mark normand
I mean, I'd still blow up.
joe rogan
A little chubby.
Yeah, if you had to.
mark normand
Sure.
joe rogan
But then, the other part is, climate change is real.
That kind of shit.
When people, like, accept awards and they go, climate change is real.
Like, hey, hey, hey!
You're not here for that!
mark normand
Alright, we all know it's real.
unidentified
Move on!
joe rogan
Come on, man.
You're not fixing the world by holding your trophy for pretending.
mark normand
But that's the point.
So you gotta go, okay, we put people in a bin now.
I get it.
Okay, he's in the good bin.
joe rogan
He flies private.
mark normand
Of course he flies private.
joe rogan
You can't say climate change is real and fly private.
mark normand
Well, you can say it, but...
joe rogan
It's like syphilis is real, but you won't wear a condom.
unidentified
Ooh-wee!
joe rogan
Yeah.
What are you doing to protect yourself from that problem?
mark normand
Hmm?
Penicillin?
joe rogan
Hmm?
I just don't like, that's why I love Ricky Gervais' speech.
mark normand
Oh, that was fun, huh?
joe rogan
It was amazing.
mark normand
That was great.
joe rogan
It's amazing.
mark normand
It would just suck to be one of the people who get pissed about that.
Like, man, what a shitty life you have.
joe rogan
I want to find those people and bookmark them.
mark normand
Yeah, right?
joe rogan
Check in on them anytime anything goes wrong.
mark normand
I loved it.
I'm friends with Ricky now.
I can say that.
joe rogan
I love him.
mark normand
We exchanged niceties on Twitter.
joe rogan
Oh, really?
mark normand
Yeah, which meant the world to me.
joe rogan
Oh, that's beautiful.
Hey, tell me about your experiences with Seinfeld.
Since we did the last podcast, you did...
mark normand
I did some gigs.
joe rogan
And you tell me you had a great fucking time.
mark normand
Great time.
He's the coolest guy.
I mean, he helped me out by giving these gigs.
I opened for him at the Beacon.
And he's a cool dude because he goes, I want one green room.
And you go, whoa, I don't want to bother you.
And he goes, no, no, I want to hang.
How cool is that?
joe rogan
That's very cool.
mark normand
Fucking zillionaire legend comedy guy wants to hang with my dumbass.
joe rogan
Well, I think that's one of the things that a lot of comics miss when they get really big.
Yeah.
When you're Jerry Seinfeld, it's like all the rest of us are in this place and he's legend.
mark normand
He's Seinfeld.
But that's how we see him.
He still sees himself as this Long Island nobody, which is so cool and also why he's still funny.
joe rogan
Yes.
mark normand
And he's like, I'm worried I'm not relevant anymore.
I'm like, what?
What do you mean relevant?
Your show comes on eight times a day.
You got comedians in cars.
You're touring everywhere.
You're fine.
joe rogan
It's hilarious to think that he's not relevant.
mark normand
I know.
It's like David Tell.
David Tell, I'm a hack.
I suck.
I'm an old hack.
You're brilliant.
You're one of the best ever.
joe rogan
Ever.
That's why he's so funny, though.
unidentified
Exactly.
joe rogan
It's because he's not blowing himself.
mark normand
Larry David.
Larry David's like, ah, I suck.
I'm in the way.
Nobody likes me.
joe rogan
Driving a Prius.
mark normand
You're my hero.
Yeah.
joe rogan
Yeah.
mark normand
But every time he looks in the mirror, he's a bald nothing.
joe rogan
Worth a half a billion dollars.
mark normand
I know, and he's genius.
He's changed my life.
He's changed the world with his comedy, and it won't sink in.
I love that.
joe rogan
Yeah, well, that's why they're so good.
mark normand
That's why they're good.
joe rogan
I think if you start really believing you're something special, you're fucking doomed.
mark normand
You're doomed.
joe rogan
You're doomed, because then you're not going to be you.
You're going to be some, like, yeah, I'm fucking awesome.
I'll just go out there and be awesome.
unidentified
Right.
mark normand
Right.
joe rogan
And I've seen that before, and it's ugly.
It's an ugly picture when guys, they think they're the shit now, and then they don't try that hard.
mark normand
Yep.
joe rogan
And they don't work at it.
mark normand
Yep.
joe rogan
And you think they can just go out there and talk to people, and people are just happy to see them.
mark normand
Right.
joe rogan
That lasts for about three minutes.
mark normand
Right.
joe rogan
And then people are like, what is happening here?
mark normand
Confidence is a killer, man.
joe rogan
It can be.
It can be.
Through hard work and discipline, knowing that you're ready, but even then you still have to have that little edge.
mark normand
Yes.
joe rogan
A little edge of fear.
mark normand
Exactly, exactly.
Some of the great fighters were all bullied or something.
There's something behind them where they just have that extra flame in them.
joe rogan
Yes, yes.
I mean, almost all of them will tell you.
Some of them will hide it, but almost all of them will tell you that they're terrified.
mark normand
Yes!
I heard Cowboy was talking about how he flips out before every fight and he's in his head.
I'm like, oh, good!
That's how I am before a special or a late night or whatever.
And you feel better.
You're like, okay, I'm not a wuss.
joe rogan
Yeah, any good set, anything that's important, those butterflies are going to be fluttering around.
Your adrenaline's going to be pumping.
You're like, holy fuck, here we go.
mark normand
Chappelle talks about it.
Chappelle's like, I get nervous.
And if you watch interviews, he's hunched over, he's weird, and he's not this cocky savant, you know, smoking.
I mean, he is.
He's brilliant, but he's not that guy.
I think he's just mastered that look in a way.
joe rogan
He works hard, but he's calm because he's done so many sets.
mark normand
Right.
joe rogan
And he's so good.
I mean, he kills 99.99999% of the time.
But when we worked together, we did a couple of arenas together, we were both like, alright, here we go.
mark normand
Really?
joe rogan
Yeah.
I mean, you get, you know, like right before we go on stage, he was about to go up there, about to, he looked at me, he goes, not a whole lot of motherfuckers get to do this.
And then he went out there and fucking murdered.
mark normand
How great is that?
joe rogan
It's this feeling that you get before a show.
If you don't have that...
mark normand
Yeah.
joe rogan
And everybody's scared of that feeling, right?
Because that feeling is like, God, I don't want to be uncomfortable.
I just can't wait until I'm so confident.
But you will never be that because if you are, then you won't be funny anymore.
unidentified
Exactly.
mark normand
It's a catch-28.
It's brutal.
And they always say, do something every day that scares you.
And we do every day.
I mean, comedy, people are like, why do you get up so much?
Because I'm scared of it and I don't want it to overwhelm me.
I want to be able to control the fear a little.
joe rogan
Also, if you're building your act, it's almost imperative that you go up every day.
mark normand
Oh, it's not almost.
joe rogan
Yeah.
mark normand
It is.
joe rogan
Yeah, I shouldn't say almost.
There's bits that grow the more you do them.
Like, you have a new tag, like, oh my god, that tag's perfect.
mark normand
How many times have you done a special, and then a week later you come up with a line, you're like...
I wish that was in there.
joe rogan
It's the worst.
Bits are never done.
mark normand
They're done.
joe rogan
They're never done, but then they are.
Then they're overdone.
mark normand
Right, right.
joe rogan
That's true.
mark normand
You overcook it.
joe rogan
Yeah, and then you're like, oh, I hate this bit.
I can't wait.
And that's a problem if you try to record.
You know, Tom Segura had an excellent strategy for that.
You know, we were talking about it, and he said- He records quick.
mark normand
He's prolific.
joe rogan
He's super prolific.
But he also says that what he does is, like some bits, he'll get bored with them, and he just won't use them.
For like months at a time and it'll replace him with new bits and then it'll come back to them when he's about to film so it feels fresh.
unidentified
Whoa!
mark normand
I couldn't do that.
I need all the time I have.
My jokes are too short.
That's impressive.
joe rogan
Yeah, but you have non-sequiturs.
You have a lot of non-sequiturs.
mark normand
Yeah, just boom, boom, boom, boom.
And I'm such a...
Pussy that I need laughs.
Silence, I'm not good with.
Like, I see Bill Burr working shit out, and the crowd's like, where's he going with this?
And then you see him two weeks later, and it's murdering.
joe rogan
Right.
mark normand
To me, I'm like, I gotta get more of that.
I gotta get more...
joe rogan
The ability to just...
mark normand
Sit in it.
joe rogan
Eat the dicks.
mark normand
Yeah, and don't get me wrong, I bomb quite a bit, but...
joe rogan
It's not on purpose.
unidentified
Yeah.
mark normand
Yeah, exactly.
Exactly.
joe rogan
Chris Rock used to do that all the time, man.
mark normand
Yeah, I've seen that.
joe rogan
He would walk in there and just fucking...
Just try.
Just practice shit.
What else?
What else?
unidentified
Yeah.
joe rogan
And he would even tell the audience, hey, don't get too excited.
mark normand
Right.
joe rogan
You know?
He would just go up there and fucking make it happen.
mark normand
Well, the audience can be such...
- They queef sometimes, 'cause they're like, hey, this is mean, and you're like, yeah, but I'm going somewhere, you dumbass.
I'm working this out and it's gonna be beautiful.
Stop stepping on the buds of the roses, 'cause it'll be a bud one day.
joe rogan
Don't step on it yet, but people are so quick to negate. - Well, one of the good things about the comedy store is they know that we're working shit out.
We talk about it so much on podcasts.
They know that.
And I've had people come up to me and go, dude, I saw that bit four months ago and I just saw it again.
It's amazing.
mark normand
That's the best.
joe rogan
It's come to life.
mark normand
Yeah.
joe rogan
I go, yeah, it sucked four months ago, right?
He was like, I didn't think it was going to be very good.
unidentified
Yeah.
mark normand
Of course, but we know.
They don't know.
But I got a bit of a beef with these bigger name guys doing that.
They go, I go to the clubs to work it out.
I'm like, well, they're still paid.
They're still real people who want to show, so I get a little wishy-washy with that.
joe rogan
I like to sandwich bits in between proven bits.
mark normand
That's the move.
joe rogan
You gotta try them out.
But sometimes I'll open with them, man.
Sometimes I'll come out of the gate with a new bit.
mark normand
That works, too, because the fear of it makes you come up with something that you wouldn't have before.
joe rogan
It'll also make you really go over it in your head.
Make sure you've got all the fucking I's dotted and the T's crossed.
mark normand
Yeah, that's the key.
Fear is there, so why not twist it and use it?
The way the newspapers spin, you've got to spin your emotions.
joe rogan
Exactly.
mark normand
And get something out of it.
joe rogan
Exactly.
So you're filming tonight.
mark normand
Yeah.
joe rogan
And two shows?
mark normand
Two shows.
I've been doing this hour forever, and I'm getting to the point where I go back to San Francisco, I go back to Denver, and they go, well, we saw a lot of this.
So I've got to put it down.
I don't want to let people down with the same material.
And it's killer, it's tight, it ends big, it starts big, it's dark, it's edgy, whatever you want to call it.
And I can't sell it.
Nobody wants to buy it, so fuck it.
I'll do it myself.
joe rogan
How is nobody buying your special?
mark normand
Well, you got to have a hook now.
I feel like if you're a cracker.
You know, you got to be depressed.
You got to be molested.
You got to be half Jew or something.
You got to be in a wheelchair.
joe rogan
We need a good, hurtful, derogatory term for white men.
We need one.
mark normand
Yeah, well, ironically, it's straight white male.
joe rogan
Yeah, but it doesn't work.
It doesn't hurt.
mark normand
Right.
joe rogan
You call me a straight white male, I'm like, eh.
unidentified
Yeah.
joe rogan
It's nothing.
mark normand
Yeah, yeah.
joe rogan
But, you know, there's words.
There's certain words.
mark normand
Sure, but I will say this.
When you grow up in a neighborhood and you're the minority, getting called a white boy or honky, it hurts.
joe rogan
Okay, so when you grew up and you were a minority, it actually was effective.
mark normand
Yes.
joe rogan
But is it effective today still?
mark normand
Not really, but it is...
unidentified
Didn't stick.
joe rogan
But if you're a black kid and you grow up in a white neighborhood and you hear that shit all the time and it hurts and then you grow up and then you're no longer in that fucked up environment and someone calls it to you again, it still hurts.
mark normand
Right, right.
joe rogan
Still works.
mark normand
Because you're still a minority.
joe rogan
Yes.
White boy doesn't work anymore.
If somebody calls you white boy, you're like, well, I guess you're mad at me.
mark normand
It doesn't hurt, but that's the problem.
It's just the intent.
Like, why do you want to hurt me?
That's what stings, not the actual word.
Like, what's your beef?
joe rogan
But there's a sting to the N-word that's never been reached with any other word.
mark normand
Yeah, yeah, yeah.
joe rogan
No other word.
Cunt.
No other word.
Nothing.
mark normand
Maybe the F? No, no.
No, it's not the same, because they weren't enslaved.
joe rogan
Well, not only that, it didn't have dual meaning.
Like, that word also has a meaning that you say to your friends in a joking way, and nobody gets upset at all.
mark normand
Right.
joe rogan
And you can say it to heterosexual people.
unidentified
Right.
joe rogan
They would joke around about it.
It means different things.
mark normand
I would never call you the N-word in the locker room.
joe rogan
Right, exactly.
mark normand
Unless you were packing.
joe rogan
That's exactly.
unidentified
Yeah.
mark normand
Then I'd be like, oh, this guy's a real black guy.
joe rogan
Yeah, it's, you know, the real problem is actual racism.
If there was no racism, then no one would give a fuck what words you used, and it would all be fun.
Because if you had a derogatory term towards people, it wouldn't even work.
mark normand
Right, well, did you see that tweet about how the alt rooms, the audience is all white, and then the club shows it's diverse, even though we're saying the fucked up shit?
That's a great point.
I should give the guy credit, but I forgot who said it.
joe rogan
I did a set at the UCB about 10 years ago.
mark normand
Wow!
Is that right?
joe rogan
They don't pay.
mark normand
Well, that's a whole different bag of hammers.
joe rogan
That's crazy.
mark normand
That's weird.
joe rogan
That's crazy.
You're selling out every night, you have a packed house, and you don't pay the comics.
What are you selling?
Are you selling something that I don't know about?
mark normand
This is the name UCB. That's nonsense.
joe rogan
That's nonsense.
The name UCB exists because of guys like Patton, Sarah Silverman, Louie, and all the people that perform there.
mark normand
Right, right.
joe rogan
I mean, look, they got their hustle.
I'm not trying to knock it.
mark normand
And it's working, apparently.
joe rogan
The comedy store pays.
mark normand
Yeah, it pays well.
joe rogan
And it's a fucking great show every night.
mark normand
Yeah.
joe rogan
Improv pays.
These clubs pay.
Right, right.
I mean, I don't want all the money.
I just, like, you gotta give me something.
And I give it to the bartender, and I give it to the door guy, and I give it to the guy who parks the cars.
mark normand
There you go.
joe rogan
I spread it around.
mark normand
Right, right.
joe rogan
But you gotta, like, you can't take all the money.
mark normand
Yeah, I wrote these jokes.
I drove here.
joe rogan
Not only that, yeah, it's like, what are you selling?
mark normand
I know.
joe rogan
You have a fucked up business that's relying on people being suckers.
mark normand
It's very strange.
joe rogan
You're relying on comics being suckers.
You think?
Yes.
mark normand
But you're getting stage time.
joe rogan
So what?
I can get stage time anywhere I want.
unidentified
Well, you can.
joe rogan
So could you.
I can now.
You can get stage time at a lot of...
You can now.
And meanwhile, people would come to see you and they would pay money to see you and you wouldn't get any of that money.
What's that about?
mark normand
That is very strange.
joe rogan
Nonsense.
mark normand
Right.
joe rogan
I filled your room up.
Yes, you filled the room up and you killed.
Where's the money?
Oh, you bought a new house?
And then they'll buy a new building.
And then these guys are driving Ferraris to work or whatever.
I don't know if they're driving Ferraris.
They probably drive Hondas.
And they take them home.
Then they take their Ferrari out.
mark normand
Ha ha ha!
unidentified
Suckers!
mark normand
Also, those audiences aren't as good, which is weird, too.
Like, I'm working for free.
And, yeah, that's a very precious vibe in there where you say, like, my roommate's gay.
And they're like, wait, you said gay.
Hold on, let me dissect this.
You're like, now you're not even thinking about the joke anymore because you're just so busy worrying about these terms.
joe rogan
Well, it's probably a lot of young kids, too.
mark normand
Very young.
joe rogan
They're riding that woke pony.
unidentified
Woo!
mark normand
The woke pony.
joe rogan
So what are you going to do?
Are you going to YouTube it?
mark normand
I'll try to shop it around.
joe rogan
What about Amazon?
mark normand
Yeah, they got a lot of...
You got to have a favor done for you.
joe rogan
Jeff Bezos, what the fuck?
mark normand
Yeah, put it out.
joe rogan
Mark Norman, trust me.
mark normand
Killer.
Yeah, tweet it out.
unidentified
Do something.
joe rogan
I will 100% tweet it out.
mark normand
I appreciate it.
joe rogan
Once you film it, I think once you film it and people get a look at it, I bet you'll sell it.
I really believe that.
mark normand
I just want eyeballs on it.
That's all I want.
joe rogan
You'll definitely get that.
If you put it on YouTube, I'll tweet the fuck out of it.
mark normand
I appreciate it.
joe rogan
You're a good egg.
100%.
You're a good egg, too.
mark normand
Hey, thanks.
But yeah, you start doing comedy, and you feel like you're getting somewhere, and then you try to sell a special that's been worked out for years, and it's tight as a drum, and everybody goes, this is a great thing.
Why won't Netflix pick it up?
joe rogan
Not what we're looking for.
mark normand
Right.
It's all branding now.
We want branding.
We've got to fit a certain quota, which I guess I get.
Do you, though?
I'm all about spreading the love and diverse and hooking people up, but if it's funny, it's funny.
joe rogan
Stand-up comedy has always been a meritocracy, and I think it should stay that way.
And there's plenty of funny women.
There's plenty of funny everything.
mark normand
Of course.
joe rogan
Fill in the blank.
mark normand
Especially now.
I mean, look at all the Asians.
There was like one funny Asian, or one famous Asian, I should say.
It was Margaret Cho.
And now it's like Ronnie Chang, Ali Wong, Shang Wang.
joe rogan
Ronnie Chang is fucking hilarious.
mark normand
Killer!
joe rogan
He's fucking hilarious.
mark normand
You see the new spesh?
joe rogan
Yes.
mark normand
Very good.
joe rogan
He's good, man.
mark normand
Yeah, and he's angry.
joe rogan
Yeah, angry and tight and relatable.
Like, the topics, fucking tight shit.
Really good, man.
mark normand
He had that great bit about the internet, about how it's going to be like smoking in 20 years.
Like, I can't believe you let your kid look at the internet.
You looked at the internet while you were pregnant?
Yeah.
Great bit.
Great angle.
joe rogan
That is a great angle.
That's a great angle.
mark normand
Yeah, there's a lot of good comedy right now.
There's a lot of bad comedy.
joe rogan
There's a lot of...
Yeah, but there's more good comedy than I think there's ever been before.
mark normand
Of course, of course.
joe rogan
I don't think I've ever known a time where there's this many straight-up assassins.
mark normand
Yeah.
Why do you think that is?
joe rogan
The internet.
mark normand
Yeah.
joe rogan
More platforms for people.
You know, look at guys like Schultz, who's literally become one of the biggest comics in the world.
unidentified
He's huge!
joe rogan
Just through putting his own stuff online, and for the same reason, because they didn't want to buy his shit.
mark normand
Sure, sure.
joe rogan
But he's filming a new one, and that is getting picked up by someone.
unidentified
I heard.
joe rogan
Yeah, listen.
The world is open for great content, and he takes advantage of all the platforms.
He's really good at putting funny videos on, all those fashion videos that he does.
mark normand
I mean, he orchestrates them and coordinates them, and I think he'll go down in history as some kind of marketing guru.
joe rogan
He's a genius.
It's impressive.
And he's a great comic on top of that, which you usually don't get.
mark normand
Right.
joe rogan
You usually get a really good marketer who kind of sucks as a comic, or you get a guy like Attell, who's a genius who doesn't market himself at all.
mark normand
No, he can barely sell a DVD. And he doesn't change, his clothes is the same thing.
joe rogan
It's a hat, a black jacket.
It's like he wears the same shit.
mark normand
Yeah, he always says, I look like an unemployed umpire.
I mean, he's fucking brilliant.
joe rogan
He's amazing.
But he's the worst marketer of all time.
When I hear that he can't sell tickets in certain markets, I'm like, what are you talking about?
I almost want him to call me every time he's got a gig and I'll tweet it.
mark normand
But people want a cartoon when you really break it down.
I know of guys who are funnier than Fluffy, but Fluffy sells out arenas because they like him.
That's not just about the writing.
joe rogan
He's very personable.
mark normand
Yes, he's very likable.
joe rogan
I think the problem with the tale is that he doesn't market himself well.
Right.
And no one else does either.
That's all it is.
But I think the bumping mics things changed.
mark normand
That helped.
That helped him.
joe rogan
Because Jeff Ross is such a personable guy, and the two of them together, it's hilarious.
Right, right.
And it's fun, and it's a really big Netflix show.
mark normand
Yeah, and he's great at it.
joe rogan
And they can do a hundred of those.
mark normand
Oh, yeah.
joe rogan
The two of them together, they can do a hundred of those.
mark normand
It never ends.
But I just think people need to know, it's gotta be like, we're animals.
You gotta go, oh, the fat guy.
Oh, the dumb guy.
unidentified
Right, right, right.
mark normand
Or the family guy, you know?
joe rogan
Right, right, right.
Yeah, fluffy.
Oh, yeah, yeah, yeah.
I like that guy.
mark normand
Yeah, Hawaiian shirt, big guy, Hispanic.
unidentified
Oh, yeah, yeah, yeah.
mark normand
Yeah, yeah.
It's gotta be bite-sized nugget of who you are.
joe rogan
I know you're into cars.
unidentified
Yeah!
mark normand
I'm doing Matt's show tomorrow.
joe rogan
You're doing Matt Ferris' show?
unidentified
Beautiful.
mark normand
8 a.m.
Venice, baby.
Malibu.
joe rogan
I'm driving a...
I love it.
You're probably hungover.
mark normand
Oh, I'm going to be hurting.
That's early, too.
joe rogan
Nice.
mark normand
I'll probably be legally drunk.
joe rogan
Fluffy's into cars, but he's into Volkswagen buses.
Bro, he's got like 30 of them.
mark normand
That's a weird choice.
joe rogan
They're crazy.
He's got a warehouse filled with Volkswagen buses.
mark normand
I like them, but...
joe rogan
But they're all, like, customized.
unidentified
Really?
joe rogan
Yeah, it's crazy.
Like, I never would have guessed.
Like, someone told me he's a car guy.
I mean, he's got a bunch of other cars, too.
mark normand
Yeah.
joe rogan
Because he's rich!
But he's got a warehouse filled with these fucking Volkswagen buses.
mark normand
What a weird vice.
joe rogan
Look at that.
Look at his Volkswagen buses.
mark normand
Whoa!
joe rogan
They're dope, too.
They're like mint.
Mint condition.
mark normand
Yeah, it's like a sneaker collection.
It's just got different colors.
joe rogan
Look at that.
And all these Volkswagen posters on the wall.
mark normand
They're pretty badass.
joe rogan
But how weird is that, that he kept buying them?
That's fascinating.
After he had two, and he's like, eh, I'm good.
mark normand
It's weird that that's the thing that grabs him.
He's like, I gotta have them.
joe rogan
He probably has more than 30. I mean, look at that.
Hey, click on that video.
Can you click on that video?
mark normand
No, we can't.
joe rogan
We can't play it.
I've got to wrap this up anyway.
Oh, shit.
We're closing in on 6 p.m.
mark normand
By the way, you never let me drive that Tesla.
I'm holding you to it.
joe rogan
All right, I will let you drive it.
mark normand
One day.
joe rogan
One day.
mark normand
I still don't know how to drive a stick.
joe rogan
Tomorrow, you're going to do Matt Ferris show.
Are you around tomorrow night?
mark normand
Oh, yeah.
joe rogan
Come to the store, baby.
mark normand
I didn't want to bug anybody.
joe rogan
Come to the store.
I'll get you on.
mark normand
Really?
Oh, I'll be there.
joe rogan
I'll make a call.
mark normand
Oh, thanks, man.
joe rogan
All right.
Mark Norman on Twitter.
Mark Norman on Instagram.
mark normand
Yeah, my podcast, Tuesdays with Stories, and MarkNormanComedy.com.
Yes.
joe rogan
And we'll let you know as soon as this special, wherever it lands, wherever it's going to be, we'll tweet the shit out of that.
mark normand
Not a bad person.
unidentified
Praise Allah.
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