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Joe Rogan Experience #1412 - Jimmy Dore
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unidentified
Oh, here we go.
joe rogan
Good?
Hello, Jimmy.
jimmy dore
Hi, Joe.
joe rogan
What's going on, buddy?
Good to see you.
jimmy dore
Good to see you, too.
joe rogan
What's happening?
jimmy dore
Well, we were just talking about the Air Force admitting that their pilots had seen UFOs, and you were telling me you interviewed one of those pilots.
joe rogan
Yes, I interviewed Commander Fravor, and he was saying that this...
jimmy dore
Chocolate would be my favorite.
Come on!
joe rogan
It's with an R. Fravor.
jimmy dore
Fravor.
joe rogan
Fravor.
jimmy dore
Okay.
joe rogan
He was one of the guys that actually went to...
What is the word they do when they scramble and go to try to figure out what the fuck something is?
But they monitored this thing.
They saw it with their eyes.
They saw it with their equipment.
It was actively jamming the radar, whatever this thing was.
It was shaped like a Tic Tac.
And it moved so fast, you couldn't track it with the human eye.
They said it went from...
I think they said some impossible number, like 60,000 feet down to 200 feet in less than a second.
Like whatever you could track.
You know a radar does a blip, blip, blip, blip.
They don't know how fast it actually went.
They just know it went this insane distance.
In less than a second, less than a radar jump.
And they had observed them in that area without his knowledge, like other Air Force pilots had observed them, and then had brought it up the top of the food chain, but it wasn't something that got distributed to everybody until he saw it.
When he saw it, he was like, what in the fuck am I looking at here?
unidentified
Okay.
joe rogan
And they're like, yeah, we've been seeing these things.
And this thing with no active propulsion system that you could recognize.
There was nothing around, no fire coming out of it, nothing around.
And it would just disappear.
Take off at an insane race of speed.
And actively jamming the radar.
jimmy dore
So when I covered this on my show, I said, now, I've heard reports that pilots see this stuff all the time, but they never confirmed it.
And my question was...
Why now?
Why would the Air Force be confirming that they saw UFOs now?
Because, again, there have been reports that pilots have seen this stuff forever.
I'm not saying it didn't happen.
I'm saying, why are they admitting it happened now?
And then, of course, you see in this last defense budget, they put in money for a Space Force.
joe rogan
I think the money for the Space Force, though, isn't that because China is able to...
jimmy dore
That's what they say.
Whatever they can do to make sure we want to spend more money, that's what they'll do.
Hey, we saw a UFO. Hey, China.
Hey, look over there.
We got to spend more money.
unidentified
You think that's what it is?
joe rogan
That's why they're admitting it?
But Fravor, I guarantee you, isn't in that.
jimmy dore
No, no, I guarantee you saw it.
unidentified
No, no.
jimmy dore
They're just now...
But before, they would say, that's not true.
The Air Force would go, we don't acknowledge that.
And now they're going to acknowledge it.
joe rogan
You're probably right.
There's probably something to that, that it's just about budgets.
I don't want to be that cynical when it comes to something like that.
jimmy dore
Really?
That's cynical?
joe rogan
I want to think that...
jimmy dore
Come on, that's not cynical.
That's two plus two.
joe rogan
It is, you're right.
But it's also cynical.
The only reason why they're telling us is because of budgets.
It's both things.
jimmy dore
Yeah, okay.
joe rogan
I mean, look, 100% is how they do it.
If they need some sort of justification for expanding their reach or expanding their budget, they come up with some threat.
jimmy dore
Well, listen to this, Joe.
This is what I keep telling people, and no one seems to think this is a big deal.
But, you know, the Democrats and the mainstream news have spent the last three years telling everybody that Trump is a Manchurian candidate, he's a traitor to our country, and working under the behest of Vladimir Putin.
And while they're impeaching him, they're voting to give him an extra $131 billion to go bomb anybody he wants.
And if he's bombing at the behest of Vladimir Putin, why would you give him an extra $131 billion?
Now let me tell you how much $131 billion is, Joe.
joe rogan
Please do.
jimmy dore
Well, $20 billion would end homelessness.
joe rogan
And homelessness.
unidentified
Yeah.
joe rogan
Is that real, though?
jimmy dore
That's the figure.
joe rogan
We can get to that in a moment.
jimmy dore
But let's just say it's $20 billion.
A year.
Not just once.
But every year you'd have to spend $20 billion.
joe rogan
Right.
jimmy dore
Okay, guess what?
They're spending an extra $131 billion since Trump took office every year going forward on bomb.
$131 billion.
joe rogan
So if they just spent $110 billion, we'd have no homeless people.
jimmy dore
Yes, if they took that money and put it towards it.
So somebody told me the difference between a million and a billion.
So I read this.
So I don't know, maybe you want to fact check and make sure I'm not full of shit again.
So like a million seconds would be like 11 days.
But a billion seconds is like 33 years.
Something like that.
I'm not sure, but it's close.
So that's $131 billion could do a lot of good things.
We could half our military budget and we'd still be spending more than any other country.
joe rogan
Now, why do you think that they would do that?
Why do you think while they're impeaching him, they would also approve this incredible budget increase for military?
jimmy dore
Because they're owned, right, by the military-industrial complex.
That's why, because they, you know, the defense secretaries just came right from Raytheon, right?
The guy before, the Secretary of State, came right from Exxon.
I mean, come on!
That's the beauty of Trump, is like, you don't have to figure it out.
It's right there.
They asked him the other day about his criticisms of how he's handling.
He goes, you know, they said I didn't pull out of Syria, and I did, but I left troops for the oil.
They're just there to guard the oil.
unidentified
And he just says it.
jimmy dore
So, A, proves he's the funniest president we've ever had.
joe rogan
Oh, for sure.
jimmy dore
Oh, no doubt.
joe rogan
No doubt.
jimmy dore
No doubt.
I thought George Bush was funny.
This guy, he's intentionally and unintentionally the funniest president we've ever had.
Like, the other day, he was doing a signing.
So, in 2019, was the 100-year anniversary, the centennial anniversary of women getting the right to vote, women's suffrage.
So, he was signing a thing, commemorating it, the 100-year, they're going to have a coin.
And as he's signing, he goes, you know, I heard they've been working on getting this done for a long time.
I wonder why it finally happened now.
Well, because it's centennials now, dummy.
unidentified
You can't do it.
jimmy dore
Why didn't 100 years happen faster?
And he's sitting around going, well, we get stuff done.
That's why it happened.
And they're all looking at him like, okay, Mr. President.
But he straight faces it.
It's hilarious.
joe rogan
Do you think he's on speed?
jimmy dore
And somebody...
Oh, well...
So when he did that one video...
joe rogan
With the drawer open?
jimmy dore
With the drawer open.
joe rogan
It was actually a photo.
It was a photo when he was eating that taco bowl.
jimmy dore
Oh, right.
That's it.
joe rogan
Like, I love Hispanics.
Remember that?
It was after he said some rude shit about Mexicans.
unidentified
Jesus.
joe rogan
So he does this taco bowl thing.
Trump Tower is the best taco bowls.
I love Hispanics.
jimmy dore
Yes, and the drawer was open and you saw he had that stuff from England or whatever, right?
The pseudo-fed.
joe rogan
Super powerful pseudo-ephedrine, which is essentially a type of speed.
jimmy dore
Well, I like him on speed better than the other guy.
I like the speedy Trump.
He's entertaining.
joe rogan
Well, sometimes it wears off, though, and you see him slurring his words, and it gets really weird.
jimmy dore
He doesn't even try to finish words sometimes.
joe rogan
He tried, but he can't.
You can see him have a hard time with words sometimes.
jimmy dore
What was the one word?
Him and George Bush both...
Oh, sovereignty.
They both...
Sovereign.
Sovereign.
joe rogan
Well, there's that one.
David Pakman put a video up that showed all the different times that Trump has struggled to talk.
But there's one that's really disturbing because it's obvious he's under some sort of sedative or he's coming down from some speed and he's barely staying awake while he's talking.
It's like if you called me at 3 o'clock in the morning and I just worked 24 hours in a row and you're like, hey man, what are you doing?
Oh, fucking Jesus.
It's literally like that.
Yeah, you've never seen it?
jimmy dore
No, I haven't seen it, no.
joe rogan
See if you can find it, because it's really bonkers.
Because when you hear him talk, you're like, oh my god.
There was no discussion of this.
It's not like he came out later and said, hey, guys, I had a bad night last night.
Somebody slipped me a Mickey.
It was a real issue.
jimmy dore
Well, his whole thing is he's a teetotaler, right?
joe rogan
That's nonsense.
jimmy dore
Is it?
joe rogan
Yeah, the pseudoephedrine, all that stuff.
jimmy dore
But then it turns out he's doing, you know, pharmaceuticals.
joe rogan
Yes.
Yeah.
He's doing what's legal.
That's what it is.
unidentified
Yeah.
joe rogan
You know, if the doctor writes him a prescription, you know, there was this whole thing with...
What was that?
There was a reporter that named the Dwayne Reed pharmacy that he had gone to in New York to fill this prescription for a metabolic condition, which he said is like a bullshit reason.
He took diet pills.
And the dye pills were speed.
But it was prescribed by his doctor.
But look, if you're a guy who wants to fucking get shit done all the time, you want to be on speed.
Speed's the way to go.
jimmy dore
I know people who say they write songs on speed, like musicians.
joe rogan
Slayer?
jimmy dore
I don't know Slayer, but...
joe rogan
That seems like the kind of music you'd write on speed.
Rah!
unidentified
Ta-ta!
jimmy dore
Oh, okay.
joe rogan
You know?
jimmy dore
Yeah.
joe rogan
That's speed music.
jimmy dore
I don't know what the kids listen to.
joe rogan
Sarah McLaughlin on speed.
Can you imagine?
She'd be like, fuck those puppies.
jimmy dore
Yeah.
You know, I went to one of those, what were they called?
The women's Lollapalooza?
What were they called?
joe rogan
Lilith Fair?
jimmy dore
Lilith Fair.
I was dating a girl.
joe rogan
Oh, no.
jimmy dore
And she took me a lot of those things.
unidentified
Oh, Jimmy.
joe rogan
Oh, my God.
She's just trying to drain you.
jimmy dore
Turns out I was going through a mentally imbalanced time.
I didn't know.
Turns out I was like, oh, that was when I was going through a nervous breakdown.
unidentified
Yeah.
In the arms of a...
joe rogan
It's great music to listen to right before you go to bed.
jimmy dore
No, but I do remember the...
What's that hard-rockin' woman who's really good?
There's one that's really good.
Chrissy...
joe rogan
Chrissy Hine?
jimmy dore
Yeah.
joe rogan
From The Pretenders?
jimmy dore
That's it.
joe rogan
Yeah, she's a beast.
jimmy dore
She was there that time.
I'm like, this is good!
joe rogan
Oh, yeah.
jimmy dore
I was like, that's really good!
joe rogan
Yeah.
No, I always loved her.
jimmy dore
Yeah.
joe rogan
She's awesome.
jimmy dore
I was like, why don't you just have her play more?
joe rogan
Yeah, what the fuck is this?
jimmy dore
I can't even remember who else was there.
joe rogan
Anytime you have an all-woman's anything, or an all-man's anything for that matter, it's a mess.
Like if you say, this is a men's conference, we're here for men's rights and men's issues.
jimmy dore
That's not good.
joe rogan
Yeah, you're going to find a bunch of bitch-ass men, too.
You're not going to find any real men in an all-men's getaway.
jimmy dore
Let's get together and talk about our problems, and they all stem from bitches.
joe rogan
Yeah, these girls motherfuckers.
It's a horrible situation.
jimmy dore
I don't know how...
I don't know how women...
I just feel sorry for women that have to fuck men.
unidentified
I do too.
jimmy dore
Don't you?
joe rogan
We're gross.
jimmy dore
No kidding.
No kidding.
And do you ever just listen to the way guys talk to women trying to get laid?
It's like, oh my god.
joe rogan
Especially dumb guys.
jimmy dore
Which is most guys.
joe rogan
Most guys, yeah.
Most people.
unidentified
Most men and women are dumb.
Yes.
jimmy dore
It's a fact.
I'm close.
I'm in the dumb...
joe rogan
Yeah, I'm pretty dumb.
jimmy dore
There's gaps in my knowledge that I can believe.
joe rogan
Oh yeah, and neither of us are going to figure anything out.
unidentified
We're not that guy that they're going to call on.
joe rogan
There's a real issue.
We need Jimmy Dore.
jimmy dore
No, but see, that's the thing, Joe, about my whole show, is that someone as dumb as me can see through this stuff.
I can put it together.
Oh, we're going to admit that we have UFOs, and now we're going to have a space bar.
Okay, I can put that together.
That's the whole thing.
It's like, if I can do this, I know they can do this, they're just not doing it.
joe rogan
I think the UFO thing is...
I know you're probably right in terms of one of the reasons why they released it, but I think there's also this...
When you get a bunch of really credible people, like that Commander Fravor guy, when you get actual data, like radar, you actually can look at the video of the infrared camera of them tracking that thing.
There's enough of those now that people are like, well, what the fuck is going on?
And if you guys have all this money and all this equipment, is this something that the Chinese are doing or the Russians are doing?
Or is this something that you can't explain?
And I think...
We're in this area where there's so much information.
People can get a hold of so many videos and so much stuff that they kind of have to start talking about it now.
jimmy dore
Okay.
You know, I see how they shut down conversations around the most innocuous of inquiries.
joe rogan
That's true, too.
jimmy dore
They shame pretty hard.
joe rogan
Yeah.
That's true, too.
But when you've got a guy who's like a decorated pilot like Fravor, and he's like, look, I don't have any other crazy stories in my past.
He's not a crazy guy.
He's a pretty rock-solid, general, all-around American hero type guy.
And he's like, look, I'll tell you what I fucking saw.
And it's pretty crazy.
jimmy dore
Those pilots, though, they live a crazy life, don't they?
joe rogan
Well, they have to.
jimmy dore
I mean, Sex at Dawn, right?
joe rogan
They go faster than the speed of sound.
Oh, Sex at Dawn with the book?
unidentified
Yeah.
joe rogan
Look, Chris is a good friend of mine.
unidentified
I think...
joe rogan
I think there's some of the things that Chris looks at.
Chris is kind of a freak.
He wants things to be a little on the freaky side.
But the idea about the pilots is that they all swipe swapping.
Because they think they could die at any moment.
jimmy dore
They create this bond.
joe rogan
Yes.
They want someone to love their wife as much as they do.
Or maybe they want to fuck their buddy's wife and they're all doing coke.
Maybe that could be it too.
jimmy dore
Maybe they're all on fucking meth.
joe rogan
They're all on Donald Trump's diet pills and they want to bag each other's wives.
jimmy dore
So you don't think that happened?
joe rogan
It probably sure happens, especially during wartime.
People shift.
War is crazy.
The mind shifts when you see bodies, when you've killed people, when you've made these rationalizations, and also you're very aware that someone's trying to do to you what you've done to people, and your entire existence, from dawn till dust, is eliminate the enemy.
It's a mindset that people slide right into.
jimmy dore
My doctor, Dr. Sharp.
joe rogan
That fucking guy?
No, I'm just kidding.
Dr. Sharp.
Just kidding, Dr. Sharp.
jimmy dore
So, Dr. Charles Sharp, he's the greatest endocrinologist.
joe rogan
Dr. Charles Glendale?
That guy?
jimmy dore
He's in Pasadena.
joe rogan
Oh, okay.
I almost said Pasadena.
jimmy dore
Oh, if you would have said that, it freaks out.
joe rogan
Fuck!
I want Glendale because it's funnier.
jimmy dore
I always go Glendale.
I always go Glendale.
And then I go Glendale and then Torrance.
joe rogan
Torrance is a good one too.
jimmy dore
Torrance is good.
joe rogan
It's like, why are you living there?
jimmy dore
What are you in a Pinto and Taurus?
Anyway, so, what was I talking about?
joe rogan
Dr. Sharp.
jimmy dore
Oh, so he said he smoked pot when he was in Vietnam, because I told him I smoked pot, right, just to let him know everything that's happening with me chemically.
And he said that, he said, yeah, I did it.
I said, did you ever smoke?
He goes, yeah, I did it once in Vietnam.
He said they would have a helicopter circling the medical, he was a doctor, the medical, and so you could always hear it constantly searching for whatever, people coming to get us, and then all of a sudden I didn't hear it.
And it had crashed, right?
So I had to go help the guy, and he said, I just smoked pot, and as a doctor, you have to be able to disassociate from what you're doing, and he said, I couldn't.
And he said, so when I came up on him, and I could tell this guy was going to be crippled, and I couldn't, it messed me up.
He goes, so I never smoked pot again.
joe rogan
Wow.
jimmy dore
And I could see, could you imagine, like, you're new to pot, you know how it makes you sense things extra, especially when you first start, you know how you just extra sense, and then you walk up on a scene like that, like, oh my god, I couldn't imagine that.
unidentified
So that, yeah, I probably would stop smoking pot if Talk about bad trips.
jimmy dore
Bad.
Bad trip.
joe rogan
That's as bad as it gets.
jimmy dore
Yeah.
joe rogan
Walk up on someone who just crashed in a helicopter in the middle of a war and you're high as fuck and you realize he's crippled.
jimmy dore
So let me ask you a question.
When I would travel out of the country, I would always think that, oh, I get like a little cold flu thing every time I travel out of the country.
Like I would get night sweats and I would kind of get headaches and I would feel a little flu-y, you know?
And then I got this dental implant, and so I didn't, so I want, you know, they say don't smoke or whatever, so I'm like going to be extra good.
I didn't smoke for a whole week.
I felt like I felt when I go to Europe.
joe rogan
So you think you have a physical addiction?
jimmy dore
Yes!
I was like, no way!
unidentified
Wow.
jimmy dore
I mean, that's why I wanted to ask.
Has it ever happened to you when you travel outside the country?
joe rogan
No, no, but some people do have that, apparently.
jimmy dore
Yes, like night sweats.
It's the worst.
unidentified
Night sweats.
jimmy dore
You wake up, and you know, as soon as I take this cover off, it's going to be freezing.
Really?
Yeah, so I've got to get up and change my T-shirt.
I swear to sleep in a T-shirt and jeans.
I don't know if you do that.
I like to be ready.
joe rogan
And Timbalands.
jimmy dore
I want to go!
joe rogan
Now, do you smoke before you go to bed?
Is that your move?
jimmy dore
Of course.
unidentified
Okay.
joe rogan
So it helps you sleep.
jimmy dore
Oh, yeah.
joe rogan
Yeah.
jimmy dore
How about you?
unidentified
No.
jimmy dore
It doesn't help you sleep?
joe rogan
No.
No.
No, when I smoke pot, I'm awake.
I start thinking about shit.
I don't want to go to sleep.
jimmy dore
Oh, it depends what I smoke, right?
So there's the thinky pot and then there's the sleepy pot.
joe rogan
Yeah, even the sleepy pot makes me...
jimmy dore
Sometimes.
It gives me a burst, but then I smoke this stuff called GMO. Whoa.
It is the best.
joe rogan
Genetically modified organisms?
jimmy dore
Oh, I wonder if that's what it stands for.
joe rogan
Yeah, exactly.
They're trying to fuck with you.
They're like, this is GMO shit, son.
jimmy dore
They are fucking with me.
It's working.
joe rogan
They're genetically modifying the weed, for sure.
jimmy dore
Stuff we get today.
So I get this at my place over in Eagle Rock.
So I was in Portland last week, and it's legal.
So I just walk into a pot store, and I go, hey, I'm looking for an Indica high THC. He goes, how about GMO? I go, you're kidding!
And it's my fucking bear head.
It was great.
joe rogan
How high is it?
jimmy dore
It's got like 29% THC. What was that shit that Kevin Smith dropped off?
joe rogan
Wasn't it 42%?
jimmy dore
How do you get something 42%?
joe rogan
He's going hard.
He's an all-day guy.
He's one of them all-day guys.
He starts off in the morning and just keeps going.
jimmy dore
Yeah.
So that the problem with...
Like, I love to take a little puff in the morning with my coffee or what have you.
But the problem is, you're giving up your later night buzz.
Because I can't get buzzed more than once or twice a day.
That's it.
Because of my tolerance.
And then if I try to smoke more, I'll just get a headache.
Do you ever get headaches?
joe rogan
No, I don't get headaches from potty.
jimmy dore
You don't get any of these problems?
unidentified
No.
joe rogan
I just get the over-stimulation.
I mean, you would call it paranoia, but I kind of welcome it sometimes because I think it's good to be hyper-aware of all these different things.
And it makes you appreciate when you're not.
I think that feeling that you get when you get high, when you're like, oh my god, everything is fucking dangerous.
The world is a dangerous place, and I'm going to die someday for sure.
Everyone around me is going to die.
I hope they don't die today.
It's like...
jimmy dore
I'm gonna be 60!
joe rogan
And the crazy thing is, like, these feelings, for some reason, aren't there, even though you know those things to be a fact.
unidentified
I know.
joe rogan
Like, you know you're, like, basically, like, we are all water balloons.
We're, like, water balloons of blood with, like, sticks holding us together.
We're so doughy and fleshy and weak and vulnerable.
unidentified
Yeah.
joe rogan
And, you know, like that guy when he found that helicopter had crashed.
That's what happens to your body.
Your body's a very vulnerable thing.
It's not very tough.
Even the toughest body is very vulnerable.
jimmy dore
Yeah.
Yeah, I know.
I watch boxing.
joe rogan
Yeah.
jimmy dore
See him go down.
joe rogan
Oh, yeah.
Toughest guys in the world.
jimmy dore
But you know what?
I always wondered what...
I've been knocked out.
You've been knocked out?
joe rogan
Yes.
jimmy dore
Oh, okay.
So it's not a big...
Like, when you get knocked out and you wake up, you don't know...
You're like, did I just get knocked out?
joe rogan
I've never been knocked completely unconscious, but I got TKO'd in a kickboxing bout.
I got dropped, and then I got hit with a bunch of other punches, and the referee stopped it.
unidentified
Oh.
joe rogan
That was more like my, that was a weird, that was the weirdest feeling I had ever had up to that moment was like my legs just stopped working.
They just shut off.
Like this guy hit me with a left hook.
I was conscious, but my legs just went whoop.
jimmy dore
Oh, that's when they go, his legs aren't there.
You always heard them say that.
joe rogan
But, like, they literally go out.
unidentified
They go, woo!
jimmy dore
And you fell?
joe rogan
Oh, yeah.
I fell.
They stopped working.
It's very strange.
And it's like your brain gets jostled around inside your head.
And also, when you get hit on the jaw, there's nerves behind your jaw.
And when the bone of your jaw slams into those nerves, and your head gets rattled, and the brain...
All of it together is like everything just goes...
What's happening here?
You know, sometimes you get knocked unconscious.
I didn't get knocked unconscious, but...
My shit just shut off.
jimmy dore
I'm always surprised when guys get knocked out, they don't piss themselves.
joe rogan
Sometimes they do.
They do a lot of times when you choke them out.
jimmy dore
Oh, really?
joe rogan
Yeah, when you choke guys out, they piss themselves all the time.
They shit themselves, too, if they have to shit.
jimmy dore
Really?
joe rogan
Yeah, yeah, yeah.
They just lose control of their body.
jimmy dore
So before you go fight, do you try to make sure you don't have to take a shit?
joe rogan
Yeah, sometimes guys do have to take a shit though.
One time, Michael Chiesa, who's a top UFC fighter, right before he was fighting, he looked over at me.
As he got into the cage, he goes, dude, I'm going to shit myself.
He goes, I guarantee you I'm going to shit myself while this fight's going on.
I'm like, fuck!
jimmy dore
Why wouldn't he just go to the bathroom?
joe rogan
Couldn't!
It was the way it worked out, like, you know, they're calling, okay, you're up.
jimmy dore
You can feel it's coming, but you can't go right now.
joe rogan
Yeah, it's like, oh no, and then he just makes the rock up there, and then all of a sudden, blah, blah, blah, blah, diarrhea, he's like, oh my god, he wound up winning the fight.
jimmy dore
But did he shit?
joe rogan
No, he didn't shit himself.
unidentified
Oh.
I talked to him, he's like, I swore I was gonna shit myself.
jimmy dore
I talked to him.
joe rogan
He's a funny dude.
No, I didn't talk about it.
I don't think I said it.
I don't think I said it, but I talked to him.
I talked about it with him after the fight.
He's like, no, I didn't shit myself.
jimmy dore
That would be funny.
joe rogan
And we were laughing about it.
jimmy dore
If you could talk about it.
It's like, I'm going to have diarrhea.
Let me talk to you for a second.
Have you heard this story?
joe rogan
Well, if you do, you know, if you have diarrhea, it's like, it's one of those things, man.
I've been on this carnivore diet.
Do you know what that is?
jimmy dore
No.
joe rogan
I'm eating only meat for the entire month of January, just to see what it's like.
No vegetables.
None.
Zero.
I had an olive, and I had one piece of chili mango.
I actually had two pieces of chili mango.
And so is this good for you?
That's where it gets weird.
It's a really good question.
I don't know.
I don't even know how I feel about it.
jimmy dore
So where did you get the idea to do it?
joe rogan
Everybody's doing it.
jimmy dore
Oh, really?
joe rogan
All the kids.
All the crazy kids.
jimmy dore
So I did the Atkins thing.
I did that back in 2001 or something when I needed to lose whatever.
I did that.
And that does work.
joe rogan
It's very similar.
It's very similar.
In that you're eliminating carbs.
You get your body to go into ketosis.
You're getting your body to burn fat.
The thing about the carnivore diet though is I actually check my piss.
With a ketone strip.
And it showed that I'm not in ketosis.
So you pee on the strip.
jimmy dore
How could you not be in ketosis?
joe rogan
I don't know.
I think it's because I'm eating so much meat that when you have too much protein, there's something called glucogenesis, I think it's called, where your body breaks the protein down and turns it into glucose.
unidentified
Yeah.
joe rogan
And so that fucks with your ketone levels, and that keeps you from going into ketosis.
But it doesn't affect your energy level.
My energy levels have been amazing.
Like, all day long, I'm flat.
I sound like...
People always ask me...
Why do you always have that cough?
It's this goddamn coffee.
It's layered superfood coffee.
It coats your throat.
It's delicious.
jimmy dore
It is delicious.
joe rogan
I love it.
jimmy dore
When you said, hey, do you like turmeric and you want it in your coffee?
I'm like, what the fuck?
In my head, I was thinking.
joe rogan
These goddamn hippies.
jimmy dore
The kids today with the hair and the clothes?
The new math?
joe rogan
And the fucking turmeric in the coffee.
jimmy dore
Turmeric in the goddamn coffee.
Come on.
joe rogan
How good is it?
jimmy dore
It is amazing.
joe rogan
It's amazing.
But I drink too much of it.
And I'm always a little phlegmy because it's in my throat.
jimmy dore
I'm not big on American coffee, but this is fantastic.
joe rogan
American coffee?
How much of it is grown in America?
Is there any coffee grown in America?
jimmy dore
All I know is that when I go to Italy or if I go to Hawaii and I have coffee, it's always better.
joe rogan
Oh, Kona has the best coffee on earth.
My favorite coffee comes from Kona.
jimmy dore
Yeah.
joe rogan
There's something about Hawaiian coffee.
jimmy dore
It's the volcanic soil.
joe rogan
Is that what it is?
jimmy dore
Yeah.
And that same thing in Italy.
There's volcanic soil, which is why their tomatoes taste better and their coffee tastes better and everything tastes better.
It's the volcanic soil.
I'm pretty sure.
joe rogan
I wonder what does to pussy.
jimmy dore
Jesus Christ.
joe rogan
Any questions?
jimmy dore
I'm going to say...
I'm going to say it makes them juicier.
joe rogan
Right?
jimmy dore
Just like a piece of fruit or tomato is juicier.
unidentified
Yeah, exactly.
joe rogan
Exactly.
jimmy dore
It's so funny you say that because out of nowhere I started talking about on stage last night how I hate the word vagina but I like pussy.
joe rogan
The vagina word is a weird word, right?
Because who's saying that other than the doctor?
jimmy dore
Right?
No, you're never in the middle of sex and hear a woman go, stick it in my vagina.
joe rogan
If she did, you'd go, wait, are you sure?
What are you doing?
Are you experimenting with me?
jimmy dore
Are you experimenting?
joe rogan
I don't think a woman wants to hear that.
I mean, maybe they have, like, cute little names for it, nicknames.
jimmy dore
Oh, I had a joke where I would say, I would go, I get it.
We were experimenting the other night, my wife, and right in the middle of sex, I took it out and I stuck it in her vagina.
unidentified
Wow!
jimmy dore
Totally different.
Fits like a glove.
unidentified
LAUGHTER Why are shock jokes fun?
jimmy dore
They're fun.
They're fun.
Shock jokes are fun.
joe rogan
They're always fun for me.
I don't like when people say they're cheap.
No, they're not cheap.
They're different.
It's a different thing.
There's really clever intellectual jokes and those are great too.
But I love a good fucked up joke.
jimmy dore
Yeah.
Especially because you think it's going to be something cleverer and that it's just a no.
unidentified
Bam.
jimmy dore
Smash.
joe rogan
Right in the face.
jimmy dore
Right in the face.
That's funny to me.
joe rogan
It is funny.
Yeah, I'm a fan of all kinds of jokes.
I like all kinds of comedy.
And there's a while where, like, dirty comedy was, like, looked down upon as if it was easier.
jimmy dore
Well, it was Andrew Dice Clay.
So when Andrew Dice Clay happened, so a lot of people started to ape him, right?
Because he was very popular.
This is going back in the early 90s.
I don't know if you were born yet.
What?
And so comedy clubs started expanding and they had more clubs than there were good comics.
So then they started to give free tickets away.
And so they started to book...
They wanted more generic acts that appealed to people who weren't necessarily comedy fans.
So this is my theory about what happened.
And so then they would keep it clean because we don't want to offend anybody.
It's like, that's not what people are...
And that's why they all closed.
joe rogan
You know what my opinion on that is?
I think...
Bad comedy sucks, but bad dirty comedy makes you angry.
jimmy dore
Yeah.
joe rogan
That's what it is.
jimmy dore
Well, you know what's funny is I've noticed this.
If people watch a musician go up and play, like even an open mic or whatever, and he plays a song or two and you don't like him, you'll still applaud after he's done.
But if a comic goes up and he's not funny, it's like, what the fuck does this guy think he's doing?
People get angry!
joe rogan
Yes, they get angry because you have to listen to the whole thing.
You can't even talk during it.
jimmy dore
It's awful.
I always notice that.
You could suck as a musician, people will still apply.
You suck as a comedian.
joe rogan
That's not funny!
If I go to see a musician, I at least appreciate the fact this person can play a musical instrument.
Which I can't do.
I have no musical talent at all.
But I know how to talk.
I can talk.
Everybody can talk.
And pretty much everybody has said at least one thing funny at one point in time.
So you know what it's like to say something and then it gets a laugh.
You know you can do it.
What they've done is just do it more and really put a lot of time into it and craft and act.
But when that act's terrible, You start thinking, I could fucking do that.
Why am I listening to this, idiot?
jimmy dore
Well, it was bad comics that made me think I could do comedy.
joe rogan
Oh, for sure.
Open mic night, right?
jimmy dore
Oh, no.
I was watching it on TV. Oh, interesting.
So I remember when I was in college, we got comedy, like a cable in our dorm room, right?
And so I remember I was watching this show...
I forget.
Maybe it was that one on A&E. It doesn't matter.
joe rogan
Even with the improv?
jimmy dore
No, it was that Rosie O'Donnell one.
unidentified
Oh, yeah.
jimmy dore
Remember she hosted that one?
And then Bobby Collins.
joe rogan
I forgot about that.
Yeah.
Fridays or something like that?
jimmy dore
I forget what it was called, but Stand Up Spotlight, maybe.
joe rogan
Yeah, maybe.
jimmy dore
I don't know.
joe rogan
Oh, that was on VH1. Yeah, that was VH1, I think.
jimmy dore
Oh, VH1 was Stand Up Spotlight.
joe rogan
Yeah.
jimmy dore
So anyway, whatever.
So I'm watching and I see this comic go up and he does like two jokes.
I beat him to the punchline on both of them, right?
I'm like...
He said what I thought he was going to say.
And then the third one wasn't even funny.
He had inverted the punchline, which I didn't know that's what he did.
But I go, he should have put that thing at the end.
And then afterwards I go, wait a minute.
That guy, I'm funnier than that guy and he's on TV. I think I could do this.
unidentified
Yeah.
jimmy dore
Right?
Like, when I would go to clubs, I would go to Zaney's in Chicago, and those guys would just be hilarious.
And I'm like, I could be funny for five minutes at a party, but I can't fucking do that.
joe rogan
Right.
jimmy dore
But I didn't realize they were how it went.
You do an act, and you work, and you do the whole thing.
And so that's why I was like, I can't do that.
Those guys are special funny.
And then I saw guys on TV suck.
I'm like, well, I could do that.
joe rogan
I might not be able to go to Zaney's, but I could Well, there was a time during the 80s where there was so many spots and so few comics that some really mediocre comics got on television.
jimmy dore
Yeah.
joe rogan
Really mundane nonsense bits.
Yeah.
jimmy dore
Yes.
joe rogan
And they all had that kind of comedy timing.
jimmy dore
Yes, yes, yes, yes, yes.
joe rogan
Well, you're from Chicago, too, which is a rough spot.
Like, it's fucking cold there.
People don't take any bullshit.
It's a different kind of thing.
You know, like, those are the kind of places that make great comics.
Like, fucking cold.
Like, Boston.
Same shit.
New York.
Fuck, fuck, fuck, fuck, fuck.
jimmy dore
You need a little misery and a little egg.
joe rogan
Honk honk, fuck you!
jimmy dore
There has to be a need for comedy.
Like I said, I was just in Hawaii, we did shows there.
I'm like, man, these people are laid back.
unidentified
Yeah.
joe rogan
There's not a lot of great comics.
There's a few good comics that come from Hawaii, but not a lot.
jimmy dore
Yeah.
Not a lot.
It's hard to be upset.
joe rogan
They have a lot of local humor.
Comics from Hawaii, I've seen some comics from Hawaii, and they talk about local stuff.
jimmy dore
Yeah, just like a cruise ship.
Yeah, sort of.
Yeah, like the guys who live there, they do their whole act as local.
joe rogan
Yeah, and a lot of times they're like a morning DJ guy, too, or something like that.
jimmy dore
Think about it.
That's a pretty great line.
joe rogan
Pretty fucking great place to live.
jimmy dore
You're a comic and a DJ in Hawaii.
Jeez, you beat it.
You did it.
joe rogan
You really did.
jimmy dore
First time I went to Hawaii, I was in Maui.
I was working at some stand-up gig book through the Ice House.
I get off stage and this guy comes up and we're talking.
And I said, where are you from?
He goes, I'm from Pittsburgh.
I go, really?
What did you do there?
He goes, I was a plumber.
I go, what do you do here now?
I go, he goes, I'm a plumber.
I go, how do you make it from a plumber in Pittsburgh to Maui?
He goes, well, one day I woke up and I realized I could be a plumber in Hawaii or I could be a plumber in Pittsburgh.
unidentified
LAUGHTER It makes all the sense of the world.
joe rogan
It makes all the sense of the world.
jimmy dore
Yeah.
If I was a plumber, I'd move there.
joe rogan
Yeah, I know a guy who teaches jiu-jitsu there who used to teach in...
He actually gave me my first lesson ever in Los Angeles.
And after a while, he was like, fuck this.
What am I doing?
And I could teach in Maui.
And the thing about a place like Maui, there's enough people.
You need everything.
It's not like...
Like Lanai, we were talking about earlier.
That's a weird spot.
Because there's only 3,000 people on the whole island.
It's like a good theater show.
A good theater show, and those people empty out, and that's the whole civilization.
And then there's people that fly in because it's a resort area.
jimmy dore
I was in Kauai one time, too, and it's similar.
After I got off stage, I was like, hey, where can I go to get something to eat?
They're like, there's no place to go.
joe rogan
You've got to go in the ocean and catch it.
That's where Laird lives.
jimmy dore
Who does?
joe rogan
Laird.
Laird Hamilton.
He lives in Kauai.
jimmy dore
I don't know Laird Hamilton.
joe rogan
That's the fucking coffee you're drinking, bro.
jimmy dore
Oh, this guy.
joe rogan
We talked about him for about a half hour earlier.
jimmy dore
I'm bad with names.
Does that work?
Is that a good enough excuse?
I'm bad with names.
joe rogan
Laird Hamilton is married to Gabriella Reese.
jimmy dore
Oh, that's okay.
joe rogan
Giant Aquaman motherfucker.
jimmy dore
Great coffee.
joe rogan
Yeah, he makes killer coffee.
jimmy dore
Who thought to put turmeric?
joe rogan
Kauai is a spot that I need to get to.
I've never been to that one.
I've never been to that island.
I've only been to Honolulu very briefly during a layover.
Actually, the first time I was going to Lanai, we flew in Honolulu first, and then you have to take a puddle jumper to get to Lanai.
jimmy dore
Oh, yeah.
joe rogan
But Lanai is like, there's nobody there, man.
And you go on the beach, there's like fucking eight other families on the beach, and everybody's just like...
Everybody's just chill.
jimmy dore
I never sleep better.
joe rogan
Oh, my God.
jimmy dore
I never...
I mean, when I was...
joe rogan
Relaxing.
jimmy dore
When I was in Hawaii, I would go to bed at midnight and wake up at 8 in the morning.
I'd sleep straight through.
joe rogan
You feel great.
jimmy dore
I'm like, this never happened.
joe rogan
And you feel great.
jimmy dore
Ever.
joe rogan
Yeah.
jimmy dore
I come back to L.A., I'm immediately getting headaches.
Immediately.
I'm like, God damn it.
So I go get a drink, and I go to a Mai Tai.
joe rogan
Believe it or not, Maui and Hawaii in general, I think they have some wonky weed laws.
I don't think weed's legal there.
jimmy dore
No, no, it's not.
Medical is, I think.
joe rogan
That's hilarious.
jimmy dore
Yeah.
joe rogan
Medical.
Life is my condition.
unidentified
I know.
joe rogan
And what I need it for.
Life!
jimmy dore
Yeah, but I have fans there, so they just give me some.
unidentified
Uh-huh.
jimmy dore
Do you still ever take pot from fans?
Are you afraid?
unidentified
No.
joe rogan
Yes.
jimmy dore
Yeah, me too.
joe rogan
Yes.
Just, you're asking for it.
jimmy dore
You are, right?
joe rogan
Yeah.
jimmy dore
Oh, I thought I'd give you a little extra taste.
I'd put some acid on there for you.
I don't need that, right?
joe rogan
My good friend Ari Shaffir dosed Burt Kreischer when they were doing a podcast together.
jimmy dore
So that's real?
joe rogan
That's real.
jimmy dore
I thought that was a joke.
joe rogan
No!
He gave him Molly.
Dropped it in his drink.
jimmy dore
So, was there hard feelings over that?
joe rogan
Oh, yeah!
There was a real problem!
jimmy dore
I thought that was all a joke!
unidentified
No!
joe rogan
There's no jokes with us.
We don't do jokes.
jimmy dore
I mean, I just saw it on Twitter.
joe rogan
Yeah, that's real.
All that shit's real.
jimmy dore
No!
joe rogan
Yeah.
jimmy dore
So they're not pals?
joe rogan
Oh, they're back.
jimmy dore
Oh, okay.
joe rogan
The wife hates them still, though.
Burt's wife is still very, very upset.
jimmy dore
I would have a hard time with that.
joe rogan
It's a real issue.
jimmy dore
Yeah.
Doing something like that, that's not right.
He knows.
joe rogan
He knows it's not right.
What's really interesting is we were all joking around about it.
This is the only business...
Where you can dose your friend, we all joke around about it, laugh about it more, nothing happens.
And he actually got a bump in his career.
Like, he started selling out places faster, and when he was going places, Ari would be doing shows, and people would yell out, Dose me, Ari!
Dose me!
So now he's known for dosing people.
And before that, Ari used to do something, I should say allegedly, because this thing, which may or may not have happened, is very illegal.
But he would do, in places where weed was very illegal, he would play a game called Find the Edible.
So he posted on Twitter, he'd give people hints, and he would leave some fucking nuclear edible to some North Dakota guy who's going to find it, who probably doesn't get any real weed.
And he's going to get one of those stars of death.
And he got in trouble, I think in Minnesota.
jimmy dore
Oh, really?
joe rogan
Allegedly.
Because I don't think they ever found any of the things he was talking about.
So maybe it was all just a prank.
Let's go with that.
jimmy dore
Those edibles, man.
My brother had something one time.
He goes, Jimmy, be careful.
It's called the creeper.
unidentified
That's what they call it.
jimmy dore
And I'm like, I have a high tolerance.
Don't worry.
So I ate one.
I'm like, nothing.
So I did it.
I ate another one.
joe rogan
Oh, no.
jimmy dore
And about 45 minutes later, we're at a campground talking to my parents, and all of a sudden, I can't remember how to breathe.
unidentified
And I'm like, how do I... And I'm so scared.
jimmy dore
And I just go, I have to go make a phone call.
I'm at a campground.
unidentified
I gotta make a phone call.
jimmy dore
So I just go to my car, and I'm just laying down, and the next thing I know, I hear my wife behind me go, are you okay?
I go, ah, I'm not good.
unidentified
I'm not good.
We have to go.
jimmy dore
She goes, let's go say goodbye to your parents.
I can't say goodbye.
Let's just go.
Oh, no.
joe rogan
Oh, no.
You just couldn't deal with saying goodbye.
Oh, my God.
jimmy dore
So, yeah, turns out there is some danger to that drug.
joe rogan
Oh, well, there's danger with schizophrenia.
There's a real danger with people having schizophrenic breaks when they take high doses of edibles.
jimmy dore
Really?
joe rogan
And even smoking it.
Yeah.
Well, like you were talking about, you get the withdrawals.
jimmy dore
Yeah.
joe rogan
I don't get the withdrawals, but there's a small percentage of people that do.
There's a small percentage.
jimmy dore
Yeah, so that must be like, so people are like, oh, aren't you going to quit?
No, if I stop...
unidentified
Just stay high.
jimmy dore
Yeah.
If I dropped drinking coffee when I went overseas, I would get headaches too, right?
So there's a lot of things like that.
joe rogan
Yeah, coffee is one thing that's addictive that we all just admit, and we just accept it, and we're addicted to it.
Because it doesn't really change your state that much where you're freaking out.
You never drink a cup of coffee.
You're like, man, I can't get up.
You're never on the ground tweaking.
But I know a couple people who have had legitimate schizophrenic breaks.
jimmy dore
No kidding.
You know a couple?
unidentified
Mm-hmm.
joe rogan
Yeah.
Yeah, legitimate ones.
Legitimate ones.
Where, like, something happened, and then they were never the same again.
jimmy dore
What is schizophrenia?
joe rogan
Literally.
Yeah.
jimmy dore
Well, I've heard about that with acid, but I never heard about that with...
joe rogan
Well, it's not that much difference.
When you take a high-level dose of...
jimmy dore
It can get psychedelic.
joe rogan
...of edibles, yeah.
jimmy dore
Yeah, I've had that.
joe rogan
It's a different thing.
jimmy dore
Where you feel like you're tripping a little and you're experiencing the...
joe rogan
God save me from the comments, but people get mad at me when I talk about this, but there's a thing that happens when you...
Because I've talked about it so many times, and I know I'm a repetitive fuck, but when you eat marijuana, your body produces something called 11-hydroxy-metabolite.
It's four to five times more psychoactive than THC. So as it's processed by the liver, you get something that's not psychoactive in the smoked form.
So when you smoke it, you get THC. But when you eat it, you get 11-hydroxy metabolite.
It's much, much stronger.
Much stronger than THC. And it's a totally different sensation.
You know, people talk about the body high.
jimmy dore
Yeah.
joe rogan
You feel it everywhere.
You really tweak out, too.
But small doses of that are wonderful.
They have these, Jombo has these sprays.
I don't have one with me here.
I used to have one on the desk, but it's a THC spray.
Just a couple of pumps.
jimmy dore
Really?
joe rogan
Yeah, it's like a breath spray.
A couple of pumps, and it's like, God, you feel great.
You feel wonderful.
Yeah, but if you take 12 pumps, I took 12 pumps once, and I did a podcast with Sam Harris.
Mm-hmm.
I took the pumps like 20 minutes before he got here, and then in the middle of the podcast, I'm like, holy shit, I don't know if I can...
Thank God, Sam is like a super articulate guy, so I could just kind of throw a question his way, and while he's expanding and talking, I was pretending to listen, but really just trying to keep it together.
Trying to keep it together and make sure that I try to sober myself up.
I was trying to force myself into...
A state of sobriety.
jimmy dore
I have a...
joe rogan
It was about a thousand milligrams.
jimmy dore
Ouch.
joe rogan
Yeah.
jimmy dore
I have a hard enough time paying attention to conversations when I'm not.
joe rogan
Yeah.
jimmy dore
When I'm completely sober, I'll lose my train of thought.
joe rogan
Me too.
jimmy dore
And I'm like, what are the...
joe rogan
Especially if I'm bored, right?
jimmy dore
Yeah.
Not even that.
Even if I'm super interested, I'm interviewing someone, and all of a sudden I'm like, oh, fuck, I'm not listening.
I'm thinking about that thing.
And then they stop talking, and I'm like, huh!
joe rogan
Oh, you can't do that.
That's the cardinal sin.
That's one thing I don't think I do.
At least I can't remember.
I try to really lock in.
jimmy dore
Me too, but then my mind will just get...
Oh, so I was interviewing Tulsi, and so we came to this important part of the conversation.
It was about how she had switched or something about...
she had.
So I asked her about it and I know people are waiting.
And there was a documentarian guy in there with her and his phone went off at that moment, I asked the question.
But it didn't go off like a ring.
It went off like a scene from a movie.
So now I'm like, Who's talking?
And then all of a sudden I'm like, what is it?
And then after, I realize that this guy's fallen, it's a scene from a movie, but Tulsi's been talking this whole time.
joe rogan
Oh no.
unidentified
So then I come back and then she stops and I'm like, I don't know what the fuck she just said.
joe rogan
Well that's why you don't want someone else in the room while you're having conversations.
jimmy dore
No, no doubt.
joe rogan
One time I was talking to a guy, and his girlfriend was sitting right there, and she just kept spinning in her chair and playing with her phone.
Spinning in her chair and playing with her phone.
And I'm trying to pay attention to him, but I'm just seeing this girl spinning in her chair and playing with her phone.
And then afterwards I was like, no more.
No more people in here.
Because sometimes people try to come in here, and then you'll see them hold their camera up to take a picture while the podcast is over.
I'm like, hey...
You're fucking this thing up, man.
This is a distraction.
jimmy dore
Yeah.
joe rogan
Like, I don't do live ones.
You do live ones.
jimmy dore
Live what?
joe rogan
Live podcasts.
jimmy dore
Yeah.
joe rogan
That's a different thing, though, because you know you're going to be live.
jimmy dore
Yeah, this isn't?
joe rogan
I mean live in front of a group of humans.
jimmy dore
Oh, you mean with an audience?
joe rogan
Yeah, but this isn't live either.
jimmy dore
Oh, so that's not live.
joe rogan
We stopped doing them live, too.
It's not live.
jimmy dore
This isn't live?
joe rogan
No.
There's a reason for that.
jimmy dore
Oh, that's good.
unidentified
Why?
joe rogan
Want to edit something out?
jimmy dore
No, because...
Because often...
The other day on my show, so like when we were in the green room, me, Graham and Ron Placom were going out and do a show.
So we'll say things funny to each other that you can't say in public.
Like South Park.
joe rogan
Right, right.
jimmy dore
And so we were saying it and it's funny to us.
And then I was on the show with Ron and we were talking about...
I go, remember when...
And I almost said it.
And I was like, oh my god!
joe rogan
Oh my god.
jimmy dore
So you know that, you know.
joe rogan
Yeah, I do know.
jimmy dore
How come South Park gets away with that?
joe rogan
They're the best.
Because first of all, it's cartoons.
They don't even look remotely human.
And they've been around for so long, they're grandfathered in.
They go fucking hard.
They're so important.
jimmy dore
You see the one...
With the Harley Davidson motorcycle riders, where they called them all...
I don't even know if I can say it.
They could say it.
Do you know what I'm talking about?
joe rogan
They called them all the F word?
The N's and the T? Yes.
Yes.
jimmy dore
Yes.
And many more things like that.
Good.
They still play it on TV. How come they can play it on TV? I can't say it.
joe rogan
Well, do you remember a time, there was a time where they used to show those old Roadrunner cartoons.
jimmy dore
Yes.
joe rogan
Where they were hyper-violent.
jimmy dore
Yeah.
joe rogan
Where they were blowing things up and hitting each other in the head with frying pans and shooting each other in the face.
And it was okay.
jimmy dore
Pushing them off a mountain.
joe rogan
Because it was old.
And so the new cartoons were all sanitized and nerfed up, but the old ones were still on.
But you would watch the old ones go, oh, yeah, yeah, this is what it used to be like.
Well, I watched some old Popeye the other day, and Bluto is basically a fucking rapist.
Yes, thank you.
A straight-up rapist just grabbing olive oil.
unidentified
Like, big fat face with his crazy beard.
joe rogan
And he's like, she's trying to fight him off, and Papa's like, hey, let go of me coil.
And he has to punch her, or punch him, and he fights with Bluto.
Bluto's a rapist.
He dragged her away.
jimmy dore
That's what that was.
joe rogan
It's a fucking...
A hundred years ago, right?
Basically a hundred years ago.
Popeye was like 1930, so almost a hundred years ago.
And humans were just living different back then.
I think rape was probably really prevalent.
So prevalent that you could joke around about it in a fucking cartoon.
jimmy dore
Yeah.
So you don't go live now because...
joe rogan
Well, a bunch of channels started creating their own channels with my clips.
And so this is what can happen.
So if you have a channel and then someone says, hey, I'm going to take all your clips.
I'm going to take the interesting parts of your podcast.
I'm going to make my own channel.
And then they can get hundreds of thousands of subscribers with all of your content.
Right.
And then they can have whatever they want.
So then they can use it as a white power fucking YouTube channel.
They have 500,000 subscribers.
They can use it as a men's rights channel.
They can just switch it over and say it's not about Jimmy Dore anymore.
Now it's about Bill Burr.
They just use your content, which is not legal.
And they were doing it while we were doing the show.
So while we were doing the show, they were making clips and then uploading them as we were live.
jimmy dore
While you're still going.
joe rogan
Yeah.
jimmy dore
So they're doing it in real time.
Okay, I got it.
joe rogan
So we realized that those can be taken down and then we started doing it ourselves and then we realized like the only way to really stop them from doing it in real time is to do it, like film it, have the podcast filmed, and then have the clips cut up and then release it.
jimmy dore
Okay.
Oh, okay.
joe rogan
That's one.
jimmy dore
Okay.
joe rogan
That's a big one.
The other one was copyright.
There's a real problem with copyright strikes.
Like if you get three strikes, they fucking pull your channel.
jimmy dore
So did you ever get one?
joe rogan
We've gotten them.
We've gotten them before.
For shit that we show...
We've gotten them before for shit that we show in the corner of the screen.
Like the corner of the screen.
Like a photograph or a video or a little tiny thing in the corner of the screen.
We had one where we got one from a fucking...
A guy took a film from his...
It was like a cell phone of a satellite being launched.
And we were watching it.
We got a copyright strike from that.
Just watching something that was on the internet.
You can't do it.
You can't.
People own these things.
The big one is nature videos.
Those fucking nature videos when you're seeing a pack of hyenas trying to take out a lion.
If you play that, that's a copyright strike.
They will get you for that.
jimmy dore
So, I had a copyright strike recently.
A first one and only one we've ever had, right?
That's a strike, not like, hey, we're going to demonetize.
Totally different.
joe rogan
I get that all the time.
jimmy dore
Yeah, that's all the time.
But a strike is serious, because they can take your channel down if you get two more of them.
And when they do that, they put a timestamp of what is the copywritten audio, right?
And someone had put a copyright strike on.
At the end of every one of my videos, it goes, do-do-do-do-do.
And it's just from iTunes, right?
It's a non-royalty thing.
It's a chime.
It's not even music.
joe rogan
Right, so it's from GarageBand or something?
jimmy dore
Yes, it's from GarageBand.
And so that's royalty-free.
And so somebody put a copyright strike on that.
And I'm like, that's just someone messing with me.
That's just a hater.
And some guy from Canada who's now living in Thailand.
I had a guy track him down.
And he's like, yeah, he has no obvious source of revenue.
joe rogan
Oh, so he's trolling you.
jimmy dore
So he's saying, the guy who investigated said he thinks it's intelligence.
And so the reason why he took that claim on that was to show that he could take down every one of my videos because that chimes in every one of my videos.
So for a while, so until that copyright strike got cleared up, I don't have a liaison.
It took a while, and so we took that chime out of all our videos.
joe rogan
Jesus Christ.
jimmy dore
Yeah.
Yeah, so that's...
joe rogan
Yeah, YouTube is weird, but they're dealing with managing an insane amount of content.
jimmy dore
Yeah, I don't know.
joe rogan
Insane amount.
jimmy dore
And they always err on the side of the copyright holder, and I get why they do that.
joe rogan
They do it automatically.
We've gotten copyright hits for a screenshot, you know, when you see the video and there's like two heads and there's a small photograph, a screenshot.
The screenshot was a photo that someone had took and they were claiming copyright on that photo that was just on the internet.
Just because we had it in our screen, we had to change the photo.
jimmy dore
Really?
joe rogan
Yeah, dude, it's fucking...
jimmy dore
I know!
joe rogan
And it's weird because some people...
You have a podcast that's just audio, right?
jimmy dore
So yeah, I have an audio and video.
joe rogan
And video.
Some people don't.
Some people only have the video.
And then that video goes away.
You count on that YouTube monetization.
There's a lot of people that did that.
They counted on that YouTube money.
And then YouTube demonetizes things just...
Randomly.
Like, it doesn't make any sense.
Like, I've had a bunch of podcasts with Tom Papa that were demonetized.
Like, that is the fucking...
jimmy dore
Craziest thing!
joe rogan
Yeah, he is the, like, the nicest, most...
jimmy dore
Right, he's not going to offend.
joe rogan
Yeah, he's not offensive, he's hilarious, he's a sweetheart.
jimmy dore
Yeah.
joe rogan
Like, Tom Papa, like, how many did they demonetize a Tom Papa?
It was like two or three, right?
To the point where Papa got, like, really paranoid, and he was thinking, do you think someone on YouTube doesn't like me?
There's something going on.
So he wanted to contact some people at YouTube, and he went down this journey.
jimmy dore
I remember he was hosting a pilot on, I don't know, like TBS or something, and I got called in to do like a run-through of it or whatever.
And I remember I walked up to him and I go, hey, Tom, how do you get your own TV show?
I really want to get one.
And he goes, here's what you do.
You have to overextend yourself.
Buy a house you can't afford.
joe rogan
So you get desperate.
That's a good move.
Good advice.
jimmy dore
Yeah, and you gotta make this happen.
joe rogan
Could you imagine going back to regular TV now, though, with all the freedom that you have?
jimmy dore
No.
I can't even imagine going to the radio.
joe rogan
Right.
jimmy dore
I just got in trouble.
I just got in trouble, right?
So I have a show that's on KPFK, and they're all nice people.
But you can't, because they're a non-profit, there's certain things you can't do.
Like, you can't over-endorse.
Like, I had a candidate on, and you're not supposed to endorse.
And you can't go, hey, go to their website and donate.
You can't say any of that stuff.
So, yeah, it's just that.
I'm like, oh my god.
joe rogan
So how'd you get in trouble?
unidentified
What'd you do?
jimmy dore
So I did that.
joe rogan
With who?
jimmy dore
So that guy, Cenk Uygur.
unidentified
Oh.
jimmy dore
He's running for that 25th.
joe rogan
Dude, what the New York Times did to him was dirty.
That was dirty.
I shouldn't say the New York Times, I should say that writer.
Whoever that writer is.
jimmy dore
It was the whole, but there was the LA Times, it was an unbelievable smear.
joe rogan
But the New York Times one was the one where they tried to say that his conversation with David Duke, where he was like, oh, of course you're not racist!
It was as clear as day that he was joking.
As clear as day that he was being sarcastic.
Talking to David fucking Duke.
The grand wizard of the KKK. And he's like, oh, you're not racist.
Of course you're not racist.
And then they take that and they put it in quotes.
He said to David Duke, of course you're not racist.
jimmy dore
That's right.
So that's like Mr. Smith goes to Washington shit.
unidentified
It's dirty.
joe rogan
But I couldn't believe that was the New York Times.
That hurt.
That one hurt.
Because I was like, who the...
You think it's funny?
jimmy dore
Yes!
The New York Times is horrible!
joe rogan
Oh, don't say that.
jimmy dore
They are horrible!
joe rogan
That's all I've got left.
jimmy dore
No, no.
unidentified
That's all I got left.
jimmy dore
You've got me, Joe.
joe rogan
I've got you.
jimmy dore
You've got me.
You've got Kyle Kalinske.
joe rogan
Oh, I do.
I do have Kyle.
I love Kyle.
Yeah.
jimmy dore
I saw your interview with Kyle.
joe rogan
I love Kyle.
jimmy dore
I heard the shit you said.
joe rogan
We were talking yesterday.
jimmy dore
I heard the shit you said.
joe rogan
I said good things about you.
unidentified
Always.
jimmy dore
I didn't get that far in.
unidentified
Always.
joe rogan
I love you.
jimmy dore
I quit after you told him he was your favorite news show.
joe rogan
Oh, you're my number two.
jimmy dore
Is that better?
I'll take it.
joe rogan
I think he's the most reasonable of all the political commentators.
But you're a comedian and a political commentator.
I think you have a dual purpose.
jimmy dore
So I have a special category.
joe rogan
Well, you're funnier than him for sure.
jimmy dore
Oh, that's sweet.
That's all I care about.
joe rogan
He texted me yesterday.
New York City was 68 degrees.
jimmy dore
Yes!
joe rogan
He was like, what in the fuck is going on?
Then he's like, I feel bad because I feel so happy.
It's like seasonal depression.
You know when it's sunny out, 68 degrees, like, yeah!
Everything's great!
Meanwhile, the world's on fire.
jimmy dore
Yeah.
Whatever.
It's warm.
joe rogan
It is warm.
No, he's great.
That's the beautiful thing about having corrupt and dishonest media, is that it opens the door for honest media like you and independent guys like yourself, like Pacman, Kalinske.
jimmy dore
It's easy.
joe rogan
There's quite a few.
jimmy dore
It's easy to outdo them, MSNBC or CNN. It really hurts hearing from a guy I respect, the New York Times is horrible.
joe rogan
That's always been what I trusted.
Me too!
jimmy dore
I know, it was tough.
It was tough when I realized that mainstream news media is just the mouthpiece for the establishment when it really matters.
They're for every war.
They're for every war.
They're repeaters.
got Judith Miller to uncritically put whatever Dick Cheney told her on the front page.
That's why they have aluminum tubes.
Front page of the New York Times, and then Dick Cheney.
So Dick Cheney tells Judith Miller they have aluminum tubes.
She prints it on the front page of the New York Times.
Dick Cheney then goes on Meet the Press and said, look, even the New York Times is reporting this.
joe rogan
Oh, God.
jimmy dore
That's how they do it.
And then Judith Miller, she gets an on-air job on Fox News after that.
She got rewarded.
joe rogan
There's that, and then there's probably also access to candidates, access to top officials.
jimmy dore
Access journalism.
joe rogan
If you don't give them what they want, they don't give you access, and this is sort of the game that they've always played.
jimmy dore
Right.
That's exactly right.
That they have access, and I've experienced it.
joe rogan
But why do you think they want to smear jink?
jimmy dore
Because they see him as an enemy of the Democratic Party, because he wants to get money out of politics.
joe rogan
Right.
jimmy dore
So that's his big thing.
He has Wolfpack, and his whole thing is, I don't take corporate money, and the Justice Democrats, they don't take corporate.
So that's his whole thing.
unidentified
Right.
jimmy dore
It's about getting money out of politics, and they want to keep money in politics.
Because if you get money out of politics, their whole grift is over.
joe rogan
Right.
Right?
Nancy Pelosi is not worth $100 million anymore.
jimmy dore
That's right.
joe rogan
How does she get $100 million?
jimmy dore
How do you go from $0 to $100 million as you're in Congress?
Well, you're a criminal.
That's what Truman said.
joe rogan
Yeah.
jimmy dore
The only kind of people who get rich while in government are criminals.
That's what Truman said.
joe rogan
But isn't it some, like, there's forms of insider trading that are legal if you're in Congress that wouldn't be legal if you were a regular citizen?
jimmy dore
I know that they don't have the rules that they should.
I know that.
joe rogan
There's rules that, I shouldn't say a regular citizen, but if you were working for a corporation, there's rules like they're allowed to get information and influence in terms of how they invest money.
unidentified
Oh, right.
jimmy dore
That's not right.
That's extra information that I could get.
joe rogan
Exactly.
It's extra, and then they're allowed to get that information, and then they're allowed to use it for their own personal profit.
Somehow or another, that's not been stomped out.
jimmy dore
Yeah.
joe rogan
And there was a video, and I don't know if it's accurate, where someone was explaining how Nancy Pelosi made all that money.
And I was like, if I watch this fucking thing, I'm going to stay up all night.
It was one of those, like, I can't watch any more of this.
jimmy dore
Yeah.
Well, you have a hundred millionaire is the leader of the People's Party.
Isn't that amazing?
joe rogan
Not only that, like, what did you do?
Did you sell hats?
Like, where'd you make that money?
What do you do?
Do you make cars?
jimmy dore
Why do you think Nancy Pelosi impeached Trump but didn't impeach George Bush?
unidentified
I don't know.
jimmy dore
I'll tell you.
joe rogan
Tell me.
jimmy dore
As Julian Assange revealed through WikiLeaks, it was because Nancy Pelosi was told in 2002 that our government was torturing people.
And she was a person in a position of power.
And the reason why the Republicans in the George Bush administration did that was so now they've got Democrats complicit in their crimes.
And so she didn't tell anybody about it.
She didn't launch an investigation.
She didn't blow the whistle on this.
So now she's complicit.
So when George Bush, when the Republicans lose the House and she becomes leader and they go, you're going to impeach him, she goes, impeachment's off the table and nobody can figure it out.
But nobody pushed her on it because we were just so glad we had a check on George Bush at that time.
Well, Julian DeSantis then reveals there's the memo that shows that she was briefed in 2002 on their torture program, which makes her complicit in torture because she didn't do a goddamn thing about it.
joe rogan
Did you see the interview that I did with Edward Snowden?
jimmy dore
Yeah, I saw the first half.
joe rogan
It was very interesting.
Nancy Pelosi came up.
She was one of the people that made it so that these cell phone companies have access to your data and can spy on you.
And use it.
The government can use cell phones and all sorts of telecommunications, essentially.
Video, your voicemail, emails, all that shit.
All that shit can get spied through.
And it was very complicated.
I don't remember the exact...
I don't remember the exact scam, but Pelosi was involved in that.
jimmy dore
There you go.
I mean, they're all corrupt.
That's kind of like the mission of my show, is to remind people how we got Trump.
People want to pretend that corruption and lying started in January 2017. The Afghanistan Papers just came out, Joe, that revealed that three administrations in a row lied completely, 100% about Afghanistan from the day they took over to the day they left.
Stuff like Donald Rumpfeld saying, we don't even know who the bad guys are.
We have no idea who they are.
Well, why are we there?
Well, maybe because of the couple trillion dollars in rare earth minerals?
I don't know.
joe rogan
Do you really think that?
jimmy dore
Maybe it's...
joe rogan
We would go to war for minerals?
jimmy dore
Come on.
That's crazy.
We would try to steal somebody's natural resources.
joe rogan
Do we use upset at what a small story it was?
jimmy dore
I'm upset.
joe rogan
That those papers came out and then no one really even talked about it.
jimmy dore
And barely got it.
Nothing.
Nothing.
It justifies everything Tulsi Gabbard has been saying.
These wars are a lie and bullshit and we got to get out of them.
And that she's not the one lying about them.
The one that's been lying about them has been our government, including Barack Obama.
That's what the Afghanistan papers prove, that we've been lied to forever.
joe rogan
Tell people what the papers say.
jimmy dore
So what happened was they did a study, just like the Pentagon Papers, right?
They do their own study that reveals that they're lying.
So they interviewed 400 people that were like in the generals and in the military and contractors and all these kind of people to find out, so they can know what would happen in Afghanistan.
So they revealed all this.
The people who they were interviewing revealed all this, that at the beginning of the war, they didn't know who the...
They still don't know.
Who's the bad guys?
Who we're killing?
They were lying about...
They would lie that it's going well, and then their personal writings would be revealing that they didn't know what the hell they were doing.
And so, it's worse than you think, but we can still just keep sending $4 billion a month there.
Just keep sending it.
Just keep sending it.
For what?
No one knows.
We're not leaving.
Trump didn't take us out.
He's up for re-election in a couple more months.
We're still in Afghanistan.
He didn't do what he said he was going to do.
joe rogan
Nobody does.
jimmy dore
That's the problem, and that's why we got Trump in the first place.
Because Barack Obama comes in as an anti-war guy, immediately gets rolled by the military-industrial complex, just like Trump did.
I did believe that Trump...
His druthers would get the hell out of the Middle East, right?
But he doesn't really have any druthers.
He's like, okay, I'm done doing that because they've rolled me hard enough.
Three years of Russiagate, I'm going to do what they want.
joe rogan
Well, you saw the conversation that he had with one reporter.
We talked about the military-industrial complex and about how they want to go to war.
jimmy dore
Yes.
joe rogan
I mean, Trump, like, actively, while in office, and this is like an Eisenhower thing, like as he's leaving, while in office, is talking about the military, and it barely got mentioned.
jimmy dore
I know.
And so I think that's why...
He does their bidding, gives them their trillion dollar tax cuts, nobody asks how we're going to pay for it.
He gives them, he tries to go into Venezuela, he tried to do what, you know, he's doing Iran, he didn't come out, we didn't get out of Syria, we're not out of Afghanistan, he's sending more people back to Iraq.
It's amazing what's happened, the exact opposite of what he ran on is happening.
So why do I think this happens?
It's because just what Eisenhower said as he left, he says, the undue influence of the military-industrial complex.
And Joe, imagine, they just invented $131 billion more worth of work for Raytheon and Boeing and Halliburton.
How much money does the recording music business make a year?
$80 billion?
I mean, how much does it?
We've just invented a whole other economy!
Just since Trump got elected, $131 extra billion!
I mean, just think what you could do with that.
You could build 131 Yankee stadiums every year.
joe rogan
Non-cynically, do you think that a lot of this impeachment stuff and a lot of the scandal stuff is really a distraction for a lot of these things they're pushing through?
jimmy dore
Yes, it's 100% distraction.
Just like I told you, because if they really believe that he was doing all these things, why would they keep giving him extra money to go bomb people at his own business?
They don't try to put handcuffs on him.
So that's how you know they're full of shit.
And the reason why they're coming at Trump in the way...
There's ways to...
So now they're starting to oppose him because of this Iran thing.
So now you turn on CNN and Chris Cuomo goes, hey, why doesn't Congress do its job and take back the war powers that they gave to the president under this AUM? So now, which is what I predicted would happen when Trump...
The silver lining of a Trump presidency was all the shit that the Democrats and Republicans have been agreeing on, which is war, fracking, opening the Arctic to drilling, all that stuff, gassing immigrants at the border.
Now we're all going to become aware of it.
Well, the Democrats spent three years doing frickin' Russiagate, so they didn't ever oppose him on that stuff, and they let him keep doing it.
And so now people are starting to become aware of what's happening.
And so now Chris Cuomo is going, hey, why don't we, why doesn't Congress do their job?
Why are you letting crazy President Trump?
Well, they just gave him 131, they gave him his spying powers.
Again, through the Patriot Act.
This guy who's working for Putin, you're gonna give him spying powers?
You fuckin' bullshitter!
They're all fucking bullshitters.
joe rogan
It's a weird scam.
jimmy dore
Yeah, Joe, if you thought a guy was working for Putin, would you give him an extra $131 billion to go bomb anybody at his own pay?
By the way, that's also intelligence.
joe rogan
Is that a rhetorical question?
jimmy dore
Yes.
So that's why people give me a hard time about supporting Tulsi.
I think it's really important to have an anti-war voice that speaks from experience.
She's actually in the military right now.
She actually volunteered to go serve in their illegal wars, and then they smear her for it.
It's kind of amazing.
joe rogan
Well, she's a weird one, right?
Because she has so many characteristics that you would think that everyone who's a progressive would want as a president.
She is a veteran who twice served overseas, twice deployed.
She's been a veteran for a long time.
Long time Congresswoman.
She's from Hawaii.
She's, I mean, I guess she's Hawaiian.
You would say she's a woman of color?
jimmy dore
They say she's a woman of color.
joe rogan
What color?
She's like a light beige?
jimmy dore
She's tanner than me.
joe rogan
Is she?
Well, she lives in Hawaii.
jimmy dore
That's why.
joe rogan
Yeah.
jimmy dore
I don't know about these things.
I'm white.
I don't know.
joe rogan
But it is, really.
I mean, the Hawaiian roots are essentially Polynesian and South Pacific travelers who landed thousands of years ago on those islands.
So, yeah.
I mean, it is essentially a person of color.
Either way, she's a very articulate, rock-solid woman, and they've tried to find a bunch of dirt on her, and they can't.
And they don't know what to do.
jimmy dore
And it's just funny to me that a lot of people who are supporting Elizabeth Warren were shitting on Tulsi as hard as they can.
And of course, Elizabeth Warren shows her true color.
She does a right-wing sexist smear on Bernie Sanders is what's happening.
joe rogan
That was weird.
jimmy dore
What a crazy thing to do.
joe rogan
It was a fake smear.
Nobody's buying that.
jimmy dore
So it was her, the media, and the DNC got together and they were like, hey, let's do this.
Because it was coordinated.
This didn't come out of nowhere.
joe rogan
Right.
jimmy dore
And CNN, do you see that story?
CNN wrote these two people who heard it from these other two people who we're not even going to name.
unidentified
And that's on CNN. That's CNN! That's how they do it.
That's so crazy.
jimmy dore
It's so crazy, yes.
joe rogan
They're digging their own grave, though.
What they're doing is they're making themselves less and less relevant, and they're making guys like you and independent people more and more relevant and more and more trustworthy.
jimmy dore
And that's why they keep going to the catnip of Russiagate or Trump's tweets or impeachment and this phone call to the thing.
And look how the media runs interference for the establishment.
It's amazing to pretend that the Bidens aren't corrupt.
joe rogan
I know.
Hilarious.
jimmy dore
And to have people come out and go, that's a lie.
That's no corruption.
It's been looked into.
There's no corruption that a guy has an $83,000 job on a board in a country his dad just helped overthrow?
What are you, fucking crazy?
joe rogan
That seems like it might be a little corrupt.
Well, the conversation where he tells the prosecutor that if he's not gone, you don't get the billion dollars, what do you know?
They fired the guy.
jimmy dore
Right.
joe rogan
You saw that video.
jimmy dore
So yeah, I saw that video, but the defense to that is they're saying, but that prosecutor was corrupt, and the next guy was even more tougher of an investigator, but that guy was investigating Burismo at the time.
joe rogan
Yeah.
jimmy dore
And that guy did say later, that guy who got fired, said, I got fired because I was investigating Burismo.
He said that in a court document.
So, believe me, why didn't they impeach Trump on the Emoluments Clause?
Why didn't they do that?
Why did they do it on this bullshit?
So that's him benefiting off his position in government.
It's because they all do it!
Why do you think?
Because it would bring up everything!
joe rogan
It would have to, right?
jimmy dore
That's right.
Hey, Hillary Clinton, I mean, Chelsea Clinton just got a $9 million job for...
joe rogan
She deserves it.
jimmy dore
Oh, my God.
She did.
She did.
joe rogan
She's the best.
jimmy dore
So, and people are saying that.
People are saying, what's wrong with a woman using her degree?
She has three degrees.
I wonder how she was able to afford those three degrees.
I wonder.
She overcame all those obstacles?
Did she?
joe rogan
She did.
jimmy dore
You know what I mean?
joe rogan
Yeah.
jimmy dore
So, they're all corrupt.
Then that's the story, and that's why we have Donald Trump.
joe rogan
And they're clinging to this system.
jimmy dore
That's why we don't have a functioning medical system or a functioning banking system, because Barack Obama was paid off by the health insurance companies and the Wall Street banks.
And that's not me saying that.
That's Dylan Radigan, award-winning Bloomberg reporter, says that.
joe rogan
How'd they pay him off?
jimmy dore
Well, he has a...
I don't know if you noticed, he just bought a house at Martha's Vineyard from the guy who owns the Celtics.
But he sells hats or something.
He has 49 acres.
joe rogan
He's got a lot of money.
jimmy dore
That's more acres than Kevin Hart.
unidentified
Wow.
jimmy dore
That's a lot of acres.
joe rogan
That is a lot of acres.
jimmy dore
Yeah.
That's the guy who's a community organizer.
I guess it was a gated community organizer.
unidentified
I don't know.
joe rogan
But how do they pay him off?
jimmy dore
Fucking love comedy.
joe rogan
How does that work where it's legal?
How does the president get paid off?
jimmy dore
When he left the presidency, he goes windsurfing with Branson for a while, right?
As we still don't have clean water in Flint.
And then when he comes back in the public life, the first thing he does is he goes to make speeches for equity firms.
He had a half a million to pop for a 20-minute speech.
What do you think that is?
What do you think all this is?
joe rogan
It's a bribe.
It's an after-the-fact problem.
jimmy dore
Yes!
joe rogan
But it's amazing that they still honor that.
They're so rock-solid in their commitment to this corrupt system that even after the guy can't even help him anymore, he's out of office, they hook him up with these speaking jobs.
jimmy dore
Right.
joe rogan
He gets a half a million bucks a pop.
jimmy dore
Whatever he wants to do.
joe rogan
Wasn't that a thing about the Clinton Foundation where Bill Clinton would make sure that he got speaking gigs along with...
jimmy dore
The weapons deals that she was giving?
Yes.
This is correct.
Again, we didn't get Trump because the Democratic Party was doing their job.
The people got desperate and decided to take a chance on a political novice game show host who they knew was a bullshitter.
Everybody knows Trump's a bullshitter.
They were like, good, go bullshit those people we hate.
joe rogan
Yeah.
jimmy dore
And I've been imploring the Bernie campaign, which nobody listens to me, so it doesn't matter.
joe rogan
Why don't they listen to you?
jimmy dore
I don't know, maybe because I communicate in a caustic way, Joe.
But I've been trying to...
Bernie should be wiping the floor with these candidates.
It shouldn't even be close, right?
And so I've been imploring them, Bernie, take the gloves off.
Would you quit?
I'm turning to Joe Biden and saying, my best friend Joe Biden.
You've got to do what Trump did, what Trump was running.
He ran against the Republican Party.
He ran against all those pukes that the people are sick and tired of, that the people have been let down by.
These are the people who took you to Iraq.
These are the people who took you to Libya.
These are the people who are bankrupting you.
So that's what he did.
And Bernie gets up and he goes, Joe, my good friend, I just wanted to let you know you're corrupt.
It's like, quit saying you're friends with these fucking guys who are corrupt.
He could land it.
He should turn.
And I've been begging.
He came close in the last debate.
joe rogan
Do it in his voice.
What should he say?
jimmy dore
I'm not good at impressions.
Mike McCray is the best.
joe rogan
You got right there.
That was a pretty good one.
jimmy dore
Joe?
Biden?
The reason why you can't understand how Medicare for All works is because you're corrupt.
And you're paid not to understand.
unidentified
And we're going to get rid of your brand of corruption when I'm president.
joe rogan
Because you're the problem.
jimmy dore
Oh my god.
joe rogan
People would go crazy?
jimmy dore
The place would go fucking crazy.
joe rogan
Then Elizabeth Warren would stand up for Joe Biden and call him a sexist piece of shit.
jimmy dore
That's right.
And everybody would see what the game is.
joe rogan
Wasn't he like always in support of Elizabeth Biden?
jimmy dore
Yeah.
joe rogan
Elizabeth Biden.
jimmy dore
Elizabeth Biden.
joe rogan
Elizabeth Warren.
Wasn't he always in support of her?
jimmy dore
Joe Biden?
joe rogan
Yeah.
No, no, no, no.
jimmy dore
Bernie Sanders.
joe rogan
Bernie was always in support of Warren.
jimmy dore
Yeah, so Elizabeth Warren was like, hey, Bernie's policies are pretty popular.
I'll pretend like they're mine.
joe rogan
Yeah, well, she was a Republican.
People forget that.
jimmy dore
Up until she was 47 years old, right?
joe rogan
People forget that.
jimmy dore
Yeah, while Bernie was running around telling people that a woman could be president, she was still a Republican.
joe rogan
Yes.
jimmy dore
FYI. Yeah.
So it's amazing that, you know, it's like, is anybody going to vote for Elizabeth Warren over Bernie?
It's like vaping.
That's what I say.
It's like, just smoke the real thing.
There's a real thing.
Right?
joe rogan
Well, there's a lot of people out there that still just want a woman president.
jimmy dore
That's right.
And I understand that, but you can't let identity trump policy.
You got to, you know, that's identity politics.
Well, we're going to have a woman who's not as good as a guy, or we'll have a woman who could be...
It's like, no, you're supposed to marry them together.
You know, you can't just, just because of her identity, that's not good.
joe rogan
Trump's going to torture her.
If she makes it, if she becomes the nominee, that Pocahontas shit, she's never...
jimmy dore
She couldn't handle Meghan McCain the other day on The View.
Did you see that?
How Meghan McCain twisted into a pretzel to get her to say Soleimani was a terrorist?
It was unbelievable the way she did.
joe rogan
Did she really?
jimmy dore
Why don't you say he's a terrorist, though?
Well, and then she does that...
joe rogan
Do it, but puff your cheeks out.
unidentified
No?
jimmy dore
How do you get away with shit?
joe rogan
What do you mean?
What did I do?
jimmy dore
I don't know, I'm just saying.
joe rogan
I said, puff your cheeks out?
Is that a problem?
Are we supposed to pretend she's not fat?
jimmy dore
Who?
joe rogan
Who?
Who are we talking about?
jimmy dore
Who are we talking about?
joe rogan
Have you ever seen Tim Dillon do his version of Meghan McCain?
jimmy dore
No.
joe rogan
Oh, I'm going to get you something beautiful right now.
jimmy dore
Oh, really?
joe rogan
I'm going to show you something amazing.
jimmy dore
So there's this tape somebody put together of Meghan McCain saying, my father.
Have you seen that one where she says it over and over and over?
So I started, I was in Ventura, California.
I was playing that clip, like as a joke, like we're all going to laugh.
There was almost a fucking riot at my show.
People made me stop playing it.
They didn't want to see it.
At first I thought they were like cheering because they cheer often at my show.
And then I'm like, oh no, they're screaming.
unidentified
Oh, Ventura's a sketchy spot.
joe rogan
Ventura's like, why?
You know, it's one of them torrents places.
Like, what are you doing here?
Watch this.
Play it from the beginning and give me some volume.
Okay, watch this.
This is Tim Dillon.
Before my father died, I had a baby with him.
And it will be raised in captivity.
unidentified
It'll be raised privately to be the greatest politician that has ever lived.
My name is Meghan McCain and I'm on a news show called The View.
And Donald Trump, that fucking riverboat casino captain, is talking shit about my father again.
My father was tortured for a hundred years for this fucking country.
tim dillon
And he came back and he started seven wars because he's a gentleman.
joe rogan
Fuck you, Trump.
unidentified
I'm gonna wear my father's skin mask and I'm gonna primary Trump from the right.
joe rogan
Come on The View, bitch.
If you're that tough, come on The View!
You want it, Alessandro?
unidentified
You want this?
jimmy dore
You want this shit?
unidentified
You want to fuck these tits, Trump?
jimmy dore
You want to fuck these tits?
unidentified
No, you don't.
joe rogan
You want to suck cock!
unidentified
But I won't fuck you, because the only person I'll fuck is Danny!
I'll fuck his corpse!
Fuck Danny's corpse.
He's the best.
joe rogan
That impression.
jimmy dore
I have a baby.
Raised in captivity.
Raised in captivity.
joe rogan
He's an animal.
jimmy dore
Wow, who is that?
joe rogan
Tim Dillon.
jimmy dore
Oh, that's funny.
Where's he from?
joe rogan
Hilarious comic.
He's a New York guy.
He's out here now.
jimmy dore
Oh, that's funny.
Oh, my God.
joe rogan
He's hilarious.
jimmy dore
Don't you love being a comedian?
joe rogan
Oh, I love it.
I love guys like him.
That, to me, there's not a fucking filter to be found.
Not a filter to be found.
jimmy dore
He's just...
unidentified
He's got a hair job.
joe rogan
Oh, yeah, yeah, yeah.
And he's gay, too.
No!
Yeah, yeah, yeah.
So he's got, like, a free pass to get wild.
When you're gay, you can get away with more shit.
jimmy dore
I know.
Don't you wish you were gay?
You can say more things.
I wish I was gay.
joe rogan
You can say crazy shit about women.
Lots of stuff.
He went around as Jeffrey Epstein's temple.
unidentified
Ha ha ha!
joe rogan
He dressed up like Jeffrey Epstein's temple.
Which, by the way, that temple is fucking...
How strange is that?
That it's the same colors as the Israeli flag?
Jesus Christ.
jimmy dore
Oh, yeah?
joe rogan
Yeah.
It looks like the Israeli flag.
jimmy dore
Okay.
joe rogan
Yeah.
jimmy dore
Who's that, Chuck Schumer, walking away from him?
That's what I look like, Chuck Schumer.
joe rogan
Yeah.
unidentified
Oh, wow.
jimmy dore
That was funny.
Thanks for playing that.
joe rogan
Oh, he's hilarious.
He does a lot of shit.
He works.
He puts in a lot of time.
He does a lot of things.
A lot of content.
He puts out a lot of shit.
And he's a really funny comic, too.
jimmy dore
I gotta do more comedy.
joe rogan
What's been going on?
You haven't been doing a lot?
jimmy dore
I go out, but it's like I don't drive as far as I should.
joe rogan
Do you go to the store at all?
jimmy dore
You know what?
I've never worked at the store.
joe rogan
How dare you?
jimmy dore
I did actually send an email.
I go, hey, I want to do my show down at the store in La Jolla.
joe rogan
Yeah?
jimmy dore
Because I want to go to San Diego again.
joe rogan
I love La Jolla.
jimmy dore
Do you?
joe rogan
Oh, that club is one of the greatest clubs in the world.
jimmy dore
The store down there?
joe rogan
That store down there is perfect.
It's perfect.
It's like a perfect comedy club.
jimmy dore
I sent an email.
I didn't get it returned.
unidentified
Oh, no.
joe rogan
Well, they're probably booked.
They're so booked.
Everything's booked.
The store's never been more popular.
Right now, it's sold out every night.
jimmy dore
Yeah, I know.
I should start going there.
I just gotta get out of my ass.
I just gotta get off my...
You know, I go to Flappers, which is in Burbank, so it's real close to my house.
And I go up there a couple times a week, and it feels good.
Then I go to the Comedy Magic Club on the weekend.
joe rogan
That's a good club.
jimmy dore
That's a great club.
And I go to the Improv randomly.
Yeah.
So that's pretty much my...
joe rogan
How often are you getting up a week?
unidentified
Just...
jimmy dore
Maybe, you know, two or three times.
joe rogan
That's not too bad.
jimmy dore
That's not too bad.
It's not good.
joe rogan
Yeah, I'm doing three sets tonight.
jimmy dore
See, that's what I'm talking about.
joe rogan
Yeah, you gotta do a lot.
Comedy's reps.
It's all about reps.
jimmy dore
It's all about reps.
It's like my friend Alan Havy goes to New York, and now he works at the Comedy Cellar.
They have like three venues now, so he just has to make one call and he gets three sets a night.
joe rogan
I'm like, oh...
jimmy dore
If I could just go out, and even after the travel far, it's like all real close.
Yeah, there's nothing better than doing three sets a night, right?
joe rogan
Well, stand-up is like, I feel like it's like running.
Like, you want runner's endurance, you want to be in shape, you got to run.
You have to run.
In stand-up, you have to do stand-up.
You do it, you get into it.
You get the rhythm, you get the groove, you feel it.
jimmy dore
Once you start overthinking it.
joe rogan
Yeah.
jimmy dore
And that happens.
You know, if you have too much of a break, for me anyway, I start to overthink it.
unidentified
Of course.
jimmy dore
I start to get nervous.
joe rogan
Yeah, of course.
unidentified
Of course.
jimmy dore
Do you get nervous?
joe rogan
Oh yeah, if you take time off.
jimmy dore
I was...
joe rogan
You feel uncomfortable.
That's the best way to describe it.
It's not necessarily nervous because I know jokes.
I know how to tell them.
jimmy dore
Right.
joe rogan
But I don't feel comfortable.
jimmy dore
Right.
joe rogan
Yeah.
jimmy dore
It's a totally...
Yes.
I was in...
So I was just in Portland this last weekend.
joe rogan
Do you helium up there?
jimmy dore
No, I do the Alberta Rose Theater.
And...
we were inside right a whole new fucking show and I was really sweating it I didn't realize how how nervous I was you know like I and so when I got on stage like about 30 minutes in it was going good right I got my appetite all of a sudden I was hungry and so I got a calzone I had to eat it on stage yes what I was starving I had another two hours ago my show goes two and a half hours and So you ate while you were on stage?
Yeah, so I just got a calzone.
joe rogan
How did the people handle it?
jimmy dore
They all went and got calzones.
They sold out.
joe rogan
So you had a break?
jimmy dore
No, just as I'm doing the show.
I had three people up on stage with me.
joe rogan
Are you in the calzone business?
Are you the Nancy Pelosi of calzones?
Is that what's going on?
jimmy dore
You know, I have some interests.
In calzones.
I don't know how you can do that.
I've often looked...
I'll be on stage and I look down at the chicken wing and I'm like, I could eat that fucking thing right now.
unidentified
Really?
jimmy dore
Yeah, so as soon as my nervousness goes away...
joe rogan
You get hungry?
jimmy dore
Yeah.
joe rogan
That's so weird.
jimmy dore
Yeah.
joe rogan
While you're on stage, you get hungry.
jimmy dore
Yeah, because my nervousness goes away.
I don't know how many times I can say this.
joe rogan
No, I understand.
So before that, because of the nervousness, you can't eat.
jimmy dore
Yeah.
joe rogan
So you go on stage hungry?
jimmy dore
Yes.
joe rogan
But you probably should be hungry.
jimmy dore
But I don't feel hungry when I go on stage.
I just feel like a knot or whatever.
joe rogan
And then the nervousness goes away.
He's doing well.
And then you're like, I gotta fucking eat something.
You go on stage and you do two and a half hours?
jimmy dore
Yeah.
joe rogan
Whoa.
It's a lot of time.
jimmy dore
Well, it's not stand-up.
I have video.
joe rogan
That's right.
You're doing your show.
jimmy dore
Video.
Doing a video show.
But we write jokes for the videos and everything.
It's not just guys doing a podcast.
joe rogan
Right.
That makes a little more sense that you want to eat in the middle of it.
unidentified
Yeah.
joe rogan
A little more sense.
Because if you're on stage doing your act...
jimmy dore
Oh, yeah, you can.
If I'm doing my act...
That's why I said I'm often doing my act.
I'd look like I'd like to have a piece of that chicken.
You can't do that.
Like, I could play a video that's going to be a minute, and I've got...
joe rogan
Oh, so that's what you do?
jimmy dore
And then you come back.
joe rogan
Do you worry about shit flying out of your mouth while you're talking?
jimmy dore
I do not worry about that.
joe rogan
You should, right?
jimmy dore
Because the people already like me.
joe rogan
Oh, okay.
That's a good way of looking at it.
jimmy dore
Yeah.
You know, it's such a freeing...
I don't have to convince anybody.
And that's the weird thing with my kind of comedy.
I like to go up in front of people who don't know me to surprise them in a way.
Like, watch.
But I also have to get into it a little...
Gentler.
More gently?
joe rogan
Yeah, more gently.
jimmy dore
Yeah, so I have to act like, hey, my brother said this.
Or, hey, I'm too dumb.
I don't get it.
Why is the government against worker strikes but they're for military strikes?
joe rogan
As opposed to the way you would do it in front of your crowd.
jimmy dore
Yeah.
In front of my crowd, I'm much more amped up and angry or what have you.
joe rogan
That makes sense.
Yeah, it's a weird thing, right?
There's a catch-22 to that.
Because if you play to your people all the time...
You can get soft because they'll laugh at stuff just because they like you.
jimmy dore
That's right.
joe rogan
And then a regular audience will be like, what the fuck are you talking about?
jimmy dore
That's right.
joe rogan
There's some people that I've seen where they do well, especially like some podcast folks, they have a crowd and then the people will come to see them when they do their shows and like, oh, they're just happy to see you and you do well.
But then you go do a show, a rando show at the fucking improv where there's like five other people, especially that lab.
That lab is hot death.
jimmy dore
At the improv?
joe rogan
Yeah.
That little tiny room?
jimmy dore
It can be.
joe rogan
It's set up all fucked up.
The door is right next to your stage.
You're on stage and you hear the door and see people walking in.
The bar is enormous.
It's way too big.
It's like if everyone in the room was a rabid alcoholic, maybe you could justify having a bar that big in a room that small.
It doesn't make any sense.
jimmy dore
That's funny.
You know, now that you mention it, I guess I noticed that stuff, but...
joe rogan
They should light that room on fire.
jimmy dore
Really?
joe rogan
They should take sage through that room and clear it of ghosts and then light it on fire.
jimmy dore
I enjoyed it because there's no waitresses, right?
Not that I don't like waitresses, but if you want a drink, you go to the bar.
And so nobody walks around in front of you, so there's no distractions.
People just sit there.
joe rogan
Oh, you're anti-waitress.
jimmy dore
You motherfucker.
unidentified
You motherfucker.
jimmy dore
You fucking asshole.
joe rogan
I get it.
jimmy dore
Jimmy's got a problem with the women.
joe rogan
He likes a male bartender.
A rugged...
jimmy dore
You know, we just got done making fun of...
Kyle Kalinske got in trouble for making fun of Elizabeth Warren's dancing.
joe rogan
He didn't get in trouble.
That Cory Booker guy went after him.
That is nonsense, you virtual signaling dummy.
That is so silly.
He made fun of everything.
He made fun of Cory Booker's jokes.
jimmy dore
Dad jokes.
He made fun of the thing.
But if he makes fun of Elizabeth Warren, all of a sudden it's sexist.
joe rogan
Do you see his quote?
Do you see what he said?
It was so clunky.
I'm sorry, are you an 18-year-old autistic college student who just gets to talk for the first time?
Yeah.
It was so clunky.
How did you formulate this sentence?
Did you really feel this?
jimmy dore
And who do you think is going to believe this?
The people who are going to believe this, they already like you.
Most of the people are going to see right through this thing.
So it was just, to me, it's like...
You know, it's a schizophrenic message from people like that, Elizabeth Warren's defenders.
It's like, well, women can do anything except take a joke, I guess.
joe rogan
Or dance.
Watch her dance.
Let's watch that video.
Elizabeth Warren dancing, if you're not making fun of that, you're out of your fucking mind.
If there's a thing to make fun of...
jimmy dore
Why do white people think this is dancing, by the way?
You ever notice that?
George Bush danced like this.
joe rogan
That's my number one move.
jimmy dore
And then she does this, too.
joe rogan
Doesn't Ellen do that, too?
jimmy dore
I think Ellen may do that.
joe rogan
I don't know.
Elon Musk did it, too.
Did you see when Elon Musk was in China?
He took his jacket off, threw it on the ground, was dancing.
He was having a good time.
jimmy dore
I guess that's okay.
joe rogan
Probably had a couple of pops?
jimmy dore
Yeah, he's not running for anything.
joe rogan
Exactly.
And everybody made fun of it.
Nobody accused anybody of being sexist.
jimmy dore
Really?
joe rogan
Yeah, dancing was hilarious.
We'll play that first.
We'll play that second.
Let's play the Elizabeth Warren one first.
Because the Elizabeth Warren one is so fucking ridiculous.
You're watching her dance, and you're like...
How dare you say I can't make fun of this?
How dare you?
jimmy dore
How dare you?
By the way, it's not like somebody put up a cell phone video of her dancing at a wedding.
That's okay.
She's on stage trying to get something from people and she thinks this will get it for her.
joe rogan
Here we go.
Here she goes.
jimmy dore
So here she goes.
joe rogan
Here she's up there.
jimmy dore
I don't know if you can play that music.
joe rogan
So she decided, yeah, we can't play that music.
So it's...
Look at her dancing.
First of all, she looks like she needs...
This isn't it?
jimmy dore
No, it's one with Julian Castro is in the background.
joe rogan
This is a different one.
This is her...
jimmy dore
Oh, there she goes, though.
Oh, no, she's doing it there, too.
joe rogan
Yeah.
jimmy dore
Oh, no.
That would...
Oh, no.
She keeps doing this.
joe rogan
She looks like her back is welded.
It's all one piece.
jimmy dore
She's doing all this dancing moves.
joe rogan
Everything is moving like this.
jimmy dore
Yes, you're right!
She's a robot.
joe rogan
She's barely real.
jimmy dore
It's about being white.
joe rogan
That's weird because I thought she was Native American.
jimmy dore
Well, that's what I said.
So, obviously, Bernie's lying about saying women can't win, or Elizabeth Warren is lying about him saying that.
And I'm not going to accuse a Native American of lying.
I'm just not going to go there.
joe rogan
Good for you.
She is one one-thousandth Native American.
So, that's real.
That's a real number.
It might be 2,000.
jamie vernon
She's 70. Her moves shouldn't be very elastic, right?
unidentified
That's a lot of 70-year-olds that are out there.
joe rogan
Good point.
Good point.
70. She actually looks pretty good for 70 because Bernie looks like shit, right?
Bernie's head is in the middle of his chest.
jimmy dore
I've heard you say that, people.
joe rogan
It's like, it's like falling off.
unidentified
It is.
joe rogan
If I was his friend, I'd be like, bro, you got to work on your posture.
We got to get you some spinal decompression, get you to some yoga classes.
Your head's going to fall off.
jimmy dore
When you meet him, he's taller than you think, right?
joe rogan
That's because his head's like here.
jimmy dore
Yeah, you meet him, you're like, oh, I thought...
joe rogan
It's supposed to be up here.
jimmy dore
I thought for sure I was going to be taller than him when I met him.
You ever have that happen?
I thought, for sure I'm going to be tall.
And he was way taller than me.
joe rogan
Well, I'm 5'8".
I always assume I'm shorter than everybody before I meet him.
jimmy dore
Okay.
Pretty much.
joe rogan
Unless they're like a tiny person.
jimmy dore
I thought Chris Hedges was going to be 6'5 when I met him, and he's the same height.
joe rogan
He's a normal guy?
jimmy dore
Yeah, he's normal, not tall.
joe rogan
Have you met Chris Cuomo?
jimmy dore
Fredo?
joe rogan
Fredo?
Did you call him Fredo?
jimmy dore
No, he'll wreck my shit if I do that.
Yeah, he'll wreck your shit and throw you downstairs.
joe rogan
That was so revealing.
I was like, who are you?
Are you 16?
jimmy dore
But you know that Fredo is the N-word.
joe rogan
Oh, we've all said that.
jimmy dore
We've all said that.
joe rogan
We've been saying that for years.
jimmy dore
You get fettuccine L-N-word.
joe rogan
That is so fucking dumb to say that.
unidentified
That's so stupid.
joe rogan
The idea that he thought that he could pass it off, and he knew they were filming him, right?
jimmy dore
Yes!
joe rogan
Yes!
How do you not know?
Saying that to an Italian-American is like using the N-word.
unidentified
Like, oh...
joe rogan
Is it really?
Guess what?
Here's the thing about being Italian.
There's no word for us.
There's no word for us.
You can call me a guinea.
You can call me a greaseball.
It's like, okay.
It doesn't work.
There's no word.
They don't work.
They worked for my grandfather's day.
I used to talk to my grandfather because he was an immigrant, and he came over from Italy, and he told me all the horrible shit kids in school would say to him, all the horrible shit people in the street.
Yeah, yeah, yeah.
Guineas back then were...
They were talked to trash immigrants.
They wanted them to go home.
They didn't want them there.
And there was a lot of dispute between the Irish and the Italians.
Italians were thought of the way a lot of racist people think of Mexicans.
They're coming over here to take our jobs.
They're infesting our neighborhood with their smells and their food.
They want to talk their language.
My grandparents always spoke Italian in the house.
unidentified
Did they smell?
joe rogan
They smelled great.
unidentified
Did they?
joe rogan
It depends on what you like.
I love Italian food, so it smells great.
But they always talked Italian.
My grandmother and my grandfather always spoke Italian to each other.
Yeah.
They lived in an Italian neighborhood up until it changed.
They lived in Newark, New Jersey, which was all Italian.
jimmy dore
So it seems like every wave of immigrants becomes the new horrible person.
I grew up, because I was Irish, and they talk about how the no Irish need apply, all that stuff.
Yeah.
joe rogan
I mean, there's waves of this, right?
And now the wave is, you know, Mexicans are the scapegoats.
But, you know, there's that documentary they did a while back, A Day With No Mexicans.
jimmy dore
Uh-huh.
joe rogan
But it's true.
Everything would fucking shut down.
jimmy dore
Shut down.
joe rogan
Especially Los Angeles.
unidentified
No kidding.
joe rogan
But most of the country, most of the country, and this is the dirty secret about the United States of America is that we rely, a lot of, I shouldn't say we, a lot of industry, podcasts, it doesn't really rely on illegal immigrants, but a lot of industries rely on illegal immigrants, and it's a fucked up situation to be in for them because they really don't have a path to become legal, even if they've been proven for decade after decade that they're a viable, contributing part of our culture because they got over here illegally.
Even if they came over here as a child, then we can't let you stay, you know?
jimmy dore
And that's another thing, you know, the immigration, they've been scapegoated since, as far as I can remember, Bill Clinton.
So Bill Clinton, if you go back to the C-SPAN videos of him saying Mexicans coming here taking our jobs and all that stuff, he did all that stuff.
And Hillary Clinton, she bragged that she voted for a border wall.
A barrier.
It was a fence in some places.
She used to brag about it.
And so then Trump comes along, turns it up another notch, and they're like, this guy's a fucking racist.
So I make this point.
joe rogan
He just says it in a way that's...
jimmy dore
Yeah, it's very offensive and it's wrong.
Of course it is.
But what I'm saying is he's building off of a bunch of shit that's offensive and wrong.
Just like when they tweeted out those...
So you find out...
This is what I say.
Oh, he banned all the Muslims at the airport.
Then you find out why are they at the airport?
Barack Obama's been bombing them for eight fucking years straight.
He dropped 26,000 bombs.
They ran out of bombs!
Then you find out he's putting immigrants in cages.
You find out Barack Obama built those cages.
Then you find out that Trump is gassing immigrants at the border.
And you find out Barack Obama also gassed immigrants at the border.
And they should be honored they were gassed by the lesser of two evils.
So there is the silver lining.
And it's finally starting to come out because the Democrats have run this Russiagate.
It's done.
They did the Mueller report.
It's over.
He concluded there is no collusion.
It's over.
So now they moved on to impeachment, but now he's bombing, so they're finally starting to talk about the War Powers Act.
But nobody's talking about cutting the Pentagon budget.
Do you hear that?
I don't hear that.
unidentified
No.
joe rogan
Do you think that the main thing about impeachment is supposedly that he tried to get Ukraine to investigate his political opponent, Joe Biden?
jimmy dore
Right.
joe rogan
That's the main thing.
jimmy dore
That's what they say.
joe rogan
You take that out, and there's basically nothing.
jimmy dore
Right.
And people aren't really that upset that he tried...
Half the country, for sure, aren't upset that he tried to investigate Joe Biden.
joe rogan
But so many people are clinging to this as if this impeachment makes sense, because they think that he's not presidential.
jimmy dore
That's it.
joe rogan
Yeah.
jimmy dore
As Aaron Maté says, who's the only guy I know who won an award for his Russiagate coverage...
Because he debunked it, like a good reporter's supposed to do.
He always makes the point that Trump is not a suitable steward of imperialism.
And they think he puts an ugly face on the shit we've been...
Trump puts an ugly face on the stuff we've been doing all along.
And so now people are going to be more aware of it, and we would have been more aware of it if the Democrats would have actually opposed him on substance instead of Russiagate.
joe rogan
He says things sometimes that you go, you are just allowed to write your own speech?
Like when he was talking about Baghdadi, that he died like a dog.
And you're like, what?
You're allowed to say that he died like a dog?
Or how about the, this is the weird thing, that he uses Twitter to threaten other countries.
Like when he was talking about Iran, that if they respond, we will respond in perhaps a disproportionate manner.
Like, you're using Twitter to threaten, like, Nobody ever thought that there was going to be this sort of a venue for a president to just have mouth diarrhea.
jimmy dore
I really believe that's a big reason why a lot of the establishment wants to get rid of him, because he makes them look bad.
Because they agree with his policies.
The Democrats just gave him everything he wanted.
They paid for his fucking border wall.
They gave him expanded spying powers.
They gave him an extra $131 billion to go bomb people.
They helped fast track his judges.
They fucking also helped him deregulate Wall Street.
What the fuck aren't they doing for him?
And that's why we have Donald Trump.
And that's why it's important that Bernie gets in.
That's why it's important that he overcomes their cheating.
You talk about schizophrenic.
Bernie has a schizophrenic strategy.
People are upset that I critique his strategy.
I want Bernie to be stronger.
I want him to win.
He'll come out and give a speech where he says, I'm running against the Democrat as establishment.
And people go crazy, right?
Because we know that's the problem.
And then he'll do a video where he endorses the DNC. Like, hey, give us money.
He did a video with all the Democratic candidates talking about unity.
And every campaign had to pay $170,000 to the DNC to be included in that video.
Why?
Because the DNC is bankrupt.
Why?
Because no one's donating to it.
And so they have to extort money out of their own candidates saying, if you don't give us $170,000 each to do this unity video, we won't have any money to help you once you win the nomination.
So they all ponied up and they're all in it.
And Bernie's in a unity video where he's supposed to be speaking against the millionaires and billionaires.
There's two billionaires in the fucking video.
Tom Steyer and Bloomberg.
We've got to come together with billionaires to oppose.
No, they are the fucking problem.
Bloomberg is a problem.
He's the guy who instituted stop and frisk.
He's the guy who says New York needs more billionaires.
Those are the fucking guys who are the problem.
And if Bernie would just stop playing footsie with them, in a sense, and just bash them, I think it wouldn't even be close.
So he's got to, like Barack Obama, he's got to overwin.
Because they're going to cheat him.
So he has to overwin, you know?
And I tell you what, if he picked Tulsi Gabbard as his vice president, he would crush Donald Trump.
Because there are a lot of right-wingers, and there's a lot of independents, there's a lot of anti-war people who are upset with the Republican Party, a lot of independents, libertarians, and they like her because she's A in all the things that you like about her.
She's strong, she doesn't fly off the hip, and she's proven herself as a patriot, all that stuff.
joe rogan
What do you think they're doing?
Who do you think they're leaning towards for the nominee?
Do you think they want Warren?
jimmy dore
Oh, the establishment, yes.
joe rogan
Yeah, they want Warren.
jimmy dore
Well, that's why the DNC, the media, and Elizabeth Warren's campaign coordinated on this latest sexist hit on Bernie Sanders.
joe rogan
But it's not working.
jimmy dore
I don't think so.
I think it's backfiring.
joe rogan
It should backfire.
It's amazing that the Pocahontas stuff that she's gotten as far as she has with lying about being Native American and using it to get a job.
jimmy dore
And the way she lies about it.
I mean, she's such a bad – again, she's also a bad liar.
Like when Meghan McCain can twist you with a pretzel, that's not good.
She went on some podcast with these black guys, I think.
I don't know if you've ever seen that video where she's being interviewed by three black guys.
unidentified
In a podcast?
jimmy dore
Yeah, they just tear her to shreds.
joe rogan
Oh, is that Charlemagne?
Is that on The Breakfast Club?
jimmy dore
I think maybe.
I don't know.
joe rogan
I'm on a touch.
jimmy dore
I don't know anything.
joe rogan
Charlemagne's sharp as fuck.
I think he went after her for the whole Native American thing.
And she was just basically saying, well, it's a family story that we always told.
jimmy dore
He nailed her.
It was easy.
It was like you talking to Barry Weiss.
It wasn't Barry Weiss.
All you have to do is ask normal questions.
Here it is.
What does Toadie mean?
joe rogan
Charlamagne Tha God calls Elizabeth Warren the original Rachel Dolezal.
That's right.
jimmy dore
Yes, that's right.
That's what he did say.
joe rogan
Yes, yes, yes.
jimmy dore
Yeah.
joe rogan
Yeah, that's a hilarious thing to say.
The original Rachel Dolezal.
Well, she used it to get a job.
I mean, she really did.
And she didn't give any of that money back.
I mean, didn't she get a job at Harvard because of that?
jimmy dore
She claimed she did it.
She claimed she did it.
joe rogan
But it was on her application.
She was Native American.
jimmy dore
There's a reason why.
joe rogan
Yeah.
jimmy dore
And she's just saying it's because of our family.
joe rogan
But she was saying she's Native American.
That's the whole thing?
You're 100% that?
jimmy dore
I don't know what she was saying.
I know it's really come back to bite her in the ass.
Not enough.
joe rogan
Not enough.
She's still bouncing around.
That's a liar.
She's a person that makes up a past.
She's created a fake past and she did it back when there was no DNA test available.
So you can get away with being Native American.
It makes you look like you're, first of all, you're kind of cool, right?
Everybody, like, you ever see that movie Vision Quest?
jimmy dore
No.
joe rogan
Great movie.
Matthew Modine.
But his buddy's like a fake Indian.
His buddy lied about being Native American.
He had a mohawk and everything.
He was playing up the Native American thing.
Because people want to be Native American.
It's a cool thing.
They're thought to be more spiritual, more deep and interesting, and certainly more oppressed.
So if she says she's Native American, oh, look at this Native American woman who made it all the way to be president.
jimmy dore
It's exotic.
joe rogan
Meanwhile, she's like one two-thousandth Native American.
jimmy dore
Is that what it was?
joe rogan
Some ridiculous, ridiculously small number.
jimmy dore
Right.
joe rogan
And then when she got her DNA test, Trump said that if she was Native American that he would give her a million dollars or something like that.
And she was like, well, time to pay up.
Did you look at the numbers?
Yes, she did.
Yes, she did.
jimmy dore
Joe, I find everything you're saying right now sexist.
I hope you know that.
joe rogan
Fuck yeah.
jimmy dore
Everything you're saying is sexist.
joe rogan
Must be, right?
I'm talking about a woman.
jimmy dore
You talk about how you feel bad about the New York Times not being...
joe rogan
Yes.
jimmy dore
Because I know that feeling.
You wanted somebody to be...
What did the other news people like at MSNBC? What did they think when they see Tucker Carlson kicking their ass doing war coverage?
Isn't that fucking amazing?
joe rogan
The Tucker Carlson thing was interesting, right?
jimmy dore
Isn't that amazing?
joe rogan
He seems at least partially independent.
jimmy dore
Why is he allowed to tell the truth about war at Fox News?
I don't fucking get that.
They're not allowed to tell the truth about war at CNN or MSNBC. Well, Shepard Smith was allowed to tell the truth, too.
Certain truths, but he was...
joe rogan
After a while, he was like, I gotta get the fuck out of here.
jimmy dore
Yeah.
Again, there's lots of truths he didn't tell, also.
So that's why I still don't know.
joe rogan
Yeah.
Did you see Bombshell?
jimmy dore
No, what is this?
joe rogan
That's the movie with the Roger Ailes movie.
jimmy dore
Oh, I started watching that.
Oh, man, that guy.
Who's the actor from Australia?
What's his name?
unidentified
Oh...
jimmy dore
Whoever the guy is.
He's fantastic.
joe rogan
Isn't that John Lithgow in Bombshell, though?
I think you're thinking of the Dick Cheney movie.
jimmy dore
I'm thinking of a series.
There's a series about Roger Ailes and Fox News.
Oh.
joe rogan
No, this is a movie.
jimmy dore
Oh, I didn't see it.
joe rogan
This is a new Charlize Theron.
jimmy dore
Oh, really?
joe rogan
Yeah, where she plays Megyn Kelly.
jimmy dore
Oh, really?
joe rogan
Yeah, yeah.
jimmy dore
So she's playing someone less attractive.
joe rogan
Here it is.
NIWRC is a non-profit working to protect Native women from violence.
More than half of Native women have experienced sexual violence and the majority of violent crimes against Native Americans are perpetrated by non-Natives.
Send them your $1 million check, real Donald Trump.
So she's saying that because she's Native American, she tested a trace amount.
Really, it's probably like she blew a Native American guy in college.
By the way, real Donald Trump, I remember saying on 7-5, you'd give me $1 million for charity if my choice of DNA showed Native American ancestry.
I remember, and here's the verdict.
Warren reveals tests confirming ancestry.
unidentified
What?
joe rogan
Yeah, but it's such an insanely small amount.
jimmy dore
Oh, God.
joe rogan
I am 1.6% African.
I am 200 times more African than she is Native American.
That's real.
jimmy dore
Yeah.
joe rogan
L-O-L. So...
Imagine.
jimmy dore
I mean, I thought that when she said she got fired from teaching and then the video came out and said she quit, I thought that would be the end.
joe rogan
That should be the end, too.
jimmy dore
I got called a sexist for talking about that.
joe rogan
Oh, you are sexist.
jimmy dore
I had a Clinton advisor come at me.
A Bill Clinton advisor.
unidentified
Oh, God.
joe rogan
That's hilarious.
unidentified
Bill Clinton advisors should all shut the fuck up.
joe rogan
You are so lucky you're not in jail.
I only flew 26 times with Jeffrey Epstein.
It's not a lot of times.
He was a good guy.
He had a nice jet.
We flew around.
We saw the sky.
We looked at things.
We had a couple drinks.
jimmy dore
You do a good Clinton.
joe rogan
It's alright.
It's not that good.
Jeffrey actually does a good Clint, but that's because he's got hours and hours and hours of tapes on me.
jimmy dore
Every time I try to do an impression, it sounds like a drunk Irish guy.
joe rogan
No, your Bernie's pretty damn good.
But Bill is so obvious.
jimmy dore
$27?
joe rogan
Yeah, there it is.
jimmy dore
You know why $27?
Because that's my social security number.
27. That's good.
joe rogan
Yeah, because he was the 27th person alive.
jimmy dore
It's an old joke, Joe.
joe rogan
I get it.
jimmy dore
It was funnier in 2016. I get it.
Okay.
joe rogan
But any Bill Clinton advisor calling you a sexist, that is goddamned hilarious.
jimmy dore
That's rich.
Did you write the cum off your dress before you called me a sexist?
joe rogan
That fucking guy.
When he dies, there will be stories.
jimmy dore
Yeah.
Well, there's already stories.
We just haven't heard them.
joe rogan
Oh, yeah.
jimmy dore
Yeah.
joe rogan
But I mean, it's just, it's amazing how much they can keep quiet.
jimmy dore
Well, it's amazing that the Epstein thing just comes and goes and nobody gets, nobody, nobody gets thrown, run out of office, nobody gets nothing.
unidentified
No, no.
jimmy dore
Nothing, fucking nothing!
joe rogan
Well, how about the fact that they accidentally erased the first attempted suicide video?
Whoops!
We accidentally erased that, too.
jimmy dore
How about they erased all the torture videos?
I mean, they did that, the CIA did that, they lied to Congress on camera.
Hey, man.
Joe, we're living in a...
joe rogan
Shit happens.
Things go bad.
jimmy dore
What does Jesse Ventura say?
He says, when you're telling the truth is...
Ah, if I can forget that quote.
But when you're living in universal deceit, telling the truth is a treasonous act or something.
I just said it earlier and I can't remember.
joe rogan
Jesse Ventura.
Yeah, he was going to run for president.
Wasn't he?
jimmy dore
As an independent?
unidentified
I don't know.
jimmy dore
Yeah, I think he toyed with it.
joe rogan
Is Bloomberg still running?
jimmy dore
Yes, he is.
joe rogan
I don't hear anything about it.
jimmy dore
He's spending tons of money on ads and stuff, and so is Steyer.
Steyer, they say, was like number two.
He got himself up to number two in South Carolina or something because of all the money he's spending.
And you talk to people who lived there, they go, I went home for Christmas, and every third commercial was a Tom Steyer commercial.
unidentified
Really?
joe rogan
So it's a local thing.
So he's trying to get that market.
jimmy dore
Yeah.
So he's like, okay, I might not win Iowa, but I can maybe put all my money into South Carolina.
joe rogan
So do you think the establishment wants Elizabeth Warren because of the fact, look, she's willing to play ball.
She wants to be president.
She was a Republican forever, and then she switched over, became a Democrat.
This thing about him, Bernie, being sexist is so obviously a political ploy.
It's so transparent and really gross.
jimmy dore
Yeah.
So now when they call Trump a sexist, it doesn't land.
joe rogan
Right.
Exactly.
They cried wolf to me.
jimmy dore
That's exactly what...
I mean, they teach this to six-year-olds.
Don't cry wolf.
joe rogan
Yeah.
jimmy dore
And here they are, an entire organization, the establishment, has been crying wolf.
It's crazy.
joe rogan
These motherfuckers.
jimmy dore
These motherfuckers.
What do you keep looking at your shirt for?
joe rogan
I spilled some of that turmeric coffee on it and washed it off during the show.
jimmy dore
Oh, did you?
I didn't even notice.
joe rogan
Yeah, I did.
jimmy dore
See how unobservant I am?
joe rogan
It's alright.
It's alright.
jimmy dore
So how many times do you go out a week?
joe rogan
How many times I do shows?
jimmy dore
Yeah, stand up.
joe rogan
It depends on the week, but always at least four.
This week I'm only working Tuesday and Wednesday night because I've got to go and do the UFC this weekend in Vegas.
jimmy dore
Oh.
joe rogan
And I didn't schedule a gig.
But a regular weekend, boy, depending on if I'm on the road or here.
If I'm here, I mean, on a regular week, I'll work Tuesday, Wednesday, Thursday, Friday, Saturday.
I do that all the time.
I'll do multiple sets a night.
I'll do the store, I'll do the improv, sometimes I'll do the ice house.
jimmy dore
Okay.
So, I'll change subjects real quick.
Do you watch boxing?
joe rogan
Yes.
jimmy dore
Did you watch Ruiz?
joe rogan
Yes.
unidentified
What?
joe rogan
He got fat and he was partying.
jimmy dore
Why did he do that?
joe rogan
He had a good time.
Fucked up.
Got rid of his trainer.
He did a lot of things wrong.
jimmy dore
At first they were saying he lost too much weight.
Did you remember that?
joe rogan
But that was just because there was a photo that he was doing like the Instagram angle.
jimmy dore
Oh, is that it?
joe rogan
It's like him in the bathroom looking down.
jimmy dore
Oh, okay.
joe rogan
If you like have a camera and you pose it a certain way, you can make yourself look slim.
jimmy dore
Okay.
Yeah.
Nothing gets you more excited than a good boxing match.
joe rogan
Well, that fight should have been a great fight, but Andy fucked up.
He really fucked up.
jimmy dore
He had no plan.
joe rogan
Afterwards, he was asking for a rematch.
I'm pretty sure he trained himself, too, for that fight.
jimmy dore
Yeah, I think he did.
joe rogan
Yeah.
Well, he was...
I know for a fact...
jimmy dore
Why would he do all that?
joe rogan
He was partying.
Because he became the heavyweight champion of the world in an incredible knockout, and I bet everybody was kissing his ass, and he bought a Rolls Royce.
He came to the podcast.
jimmy dore
Oh, yeah?
joe rogan
When he did the podcast, he came at a Rolls Royce.
unidentified
Oh.
joe rogan
Yeah.
Woo!
unidentified
Woo!
joe rogan
Which doesn't necessarily mean you're going off the rails, but it's a really good indication.
Yeah, I mean, if he showed up in a fucking Caprice Classic, I'd be like, this guy's dialed in.
jimmy dore
Yeah!
joe rogan
He's focused.
jimmy dore
Yeah, he's gonna get this one.
joe rogan
He's got an old cop car he's driving around in.
jimmy dore
No hubcaps.
joe rogan
Shitty old bench seats and shit.
jimmy dore
Let's go get the championship.
joe rogan
Yeah, he's Rocky Balboa.
But he had his chance, and they're not going to give him another one.
jimmy dore
No?
joe rogan
Because he can beat a lot of guys.
jimmy dore
Yeah.
joe rogan
But I don't know if he can sell a lot of pay-per-views, especially after that second performance.
The problem with the second performance is the second performance was so piss poor that you're going to need multiple big wins in fights before people take you seriously again.
And he needs a real nutritionist.
He really does.
Even though he won being fat, there was a lot of factors in that fight.
One big factor that I have heard from people who are very knowledgeable and in the know, insiders, was that Anthony Joshua was hurt in training.
that he got rocked and maybe even got KO'd when he was training.
And not too distant from the fight, like two weeks out.
jimmy dore
Oh, really?
joe rogan
Two weeks out from the fight got KO'd.
Yeah.
jimmy dore
Oh, that's not good.
joe rogan
When you're a heavyweight and you're slinging those fucking gigantic fists at each other, all those guys need to do is catch each other once.
Just once.
unidentified
Boom!
joe rogan
Apparently it just happens all the time.
There was a Russian heavyweight boxer who was just criticized because he showed this video of a sparring session where he flatlines his trainer or his sparring partner with one punch.
Happens.
It happens all the time.
For the knockouts you see in the ring, there's probably, you know, Dozens more you'll never see with top-flight guys that are just, you know, they're bringing in guys.
Like, when Klitschko was the champion, he brought in guys like Anthony Joshua to spar with.
He brought in guys like Deontay Wilder.
He sparred with Deontay Wilder.
jimmy dore
I didn't know that.
joe rogan
Yeah.
jimmy dore
Wow.
joe rogan
Yeah, these guys, they spar with killers.
jimmy dore
I mean, I love watching Deontay.
It's exciting.
Exactly like you said, at any moment it can happen.
The fight can turn around.
joe rogan
Deontay's a freak.
jimmy dore
Yeah.
joe rogan
He's a freak.
jimmy dore
Yeah.
joe rogan
Freak of nature.
jimmy dore
Oh, so in what way?
joe rogan
There's no one I've ever seen who can knock everyone out.
jimmy dore
Oh, and that's him.
joe rogan
He knocks everyone out.
There's never been a guy.
If you look at his record, it's insane.
It's not just the fact that he's won so many fights.
He only has one decision loss.
He has one draw with Tyson Fury.
And then the rest, he knocks people into orbit.
Every other fight.
unidentified
He has 40 knockouts and 40 wins.
jimmy dore
And that Cuban guy he just laid out, that guy was tough.
joe rogan
Oh my god.
And he hit him on the forehead.
jimmy dore
Yes!
joe rogan
And he hit him like this.
It was like a short punch.
He hit so hard, it doesn't even make sense.
unidentified
Ortiz.
joe rogan
Yeah.
Ortiz went down.
jimmy dore
Ortiz was tough.
joe rogan
And he was down like, what in the fuck just happened?
jimmy dore
Yes!
joe rogan
He hits people and they have a look on their face like they can't even believe how hard he hits them.
unidentified
Yeah.
joe rogan
That Dominic Brazil, that KO, like right after the Tyson Fury fight.
jimmy dore
Oh, okay.
joe rogan
Oh my god, he's a murderer.
jimmy dore
Yeah.
joe rogan
He's the most murderous puncher I've ever seen in the heavyweight division.
jimmy dore
So I think him and Fury are going to fight again.
joe rogan
Yes.
jimmy dore
Yeah.
joe rogan
In February.
unidentified
That's exciting.
joe rogan
Next month.
jimmy dore
That's exciting.
joe rogan
Yeah.
Yeah.
There it is.
jimmy dore
Oh, fantastic.
joe rogan
Tyson Fury's master beating seven times a day to prep for Wilder Rematch.
unidentified
He brings his testosterone up, he said.
joe rogan
That brings his testosterone up?
unidentified
That's what he said.
joe rogan
That's what he said?
Wow, I think it's just...
unidentified
Jesus Christ.
joe rogan
I think he's reading into that.
jimmy dore
Who was that fighter that used to drink his own urine?
joe rogan
Lyoto Machida?
jimmy dore
It was a boxer.
joe rogan
Oh, really?
jimmy dore
Yeah, it was a boxer.
joe rogan
A lot of people were doing that for a while.
They thought urine therapy was supposed to...
jimmy dore
That is not true, right, Joe?
I know you're not a doctor, but...
joe rogan
I am definitely a doctor, and it is true.
And I want you to do it now.
I drank my piss before.
I tried it.
jimmy dore
Oh, come on!
joe rogan
Tyson Fury on ways he's preparing for a while.
I'm masturbating seven times a day to keep up my testosterone pumping.
Pump it, pump it, pump it, pump it.
Don't you know?
I gotta keep active and testosterone flowing for the fight.
Don't want the levels to go down.
jimmy dore
So I always thought having sex was bad for you before I It's supposed to be.
joe rogan
Yeah, your levels actually go up.
Not that it's bad, but some people think it's a distraction.
Like Mike Tyson's view was, he said that he felt that sex was distracting.
So he would have sex just so that he didn't have to think about it.
Because if he didn't have sex, then he was just thinking about sex all the time.
But when Tyson was in his prime, you've got to also remember he's a really young guy.
Like, he was in his early 20s.
Testosterone was through the fucking roof.
And the level of girls that were bombing on him.
jimmy dore
Yes.
Oh, my God.
I mean, Robin Givens is beautiful.
joe rogan
The most beautiful women in the world were trying to get some of that fucking gladiator dick.
unidentified
Woo!
joe rogan
But I think for him, he really felt like sex was a distraction, and if he could just have sex, then he wouldn't think about it.
jimmy dore
I saw this play one time.
It was written by Steve Martin, and it was a fictitious meeting between Picasso and Einstein in a bar in France.
It was called Picasso et La Piagile.
And in it, Picasso's painting, and he's talking, and he says, an artist must stay well fucked.
Otherwise his eye goes from the page to the windowsill down to the street across over to the cafe where the girl's sitting with her skirt up and And it's like you got that's what that always stuck with me Yeah, if an artist doesn't say well fuck that I was gonna be doing is thinking about getting laid Yeah,
joe rogan
men will understand that but men will rarely say that in the presence of women and so because of that women Either don't believe it or they dismiss it or they think you're a pig for expressing it.
jimmy dore
Right.
joe rogan
All those things.
But men alone, they'll go, oh yeah, that makes sense.
Like if you say that, you got to stay well fucked.
Like, oh yeah, of course.
You have to.
Otherwise you get fucking distracted.
It is true.
jimmy dore
Women have no idea.
I heard a thing on NPR one time, probably 15 years ago, and they were doing a story about this woman who decided to transition to be a man.
unidentified
Right.
jimmy dore
And so she documented it and did like an audio thing and she talked about how when she was into it and started feeling her testosterone and she would become attracted to women and she goes, it didn't have to be a boob.
It could be an elbow.
It could be her ankle.
It could be whatever.
And she goes, I finally understood 13-year-old boys.
joe rogan
Yeah, that's what it is.
jimmy dore
Pretty fucking distracting, isn't it?
And then you've got to keep your shit together.
joe rogan
Well, it's not just that.
It's a biological imperative.
It's a reason why people breed.
It's like that's built into the DNA to make people attracted to females so they can spread their DNA. And that's what it is.
It's that simple.
To deny that is crazy.
But you've got men denying it because they want women to like them, and then you've got women dismissing it because they think that the men who express it in an honest way are pigs and sexist and they exhibit toxic masculinity, which is...
That's a hilarious expression because you need to thank toxic masculinity for all the bridges, all the jets, all the rockets, all this toxic masculinity.
If you break down all the things that men have invented and all these toxic men have prevented you from being murdered in war and protected the country and all the different things that you could attribute to toxic masculinity, most of it's positive.
unidentified
Okay.
jimmy dore
Yeah, now I forgot what that is because I had this question as it's sitting in my head since you started talking about toxic masculinity and I fucking can't even get the word out.
I can't even say it.
I can't even fucking sovereignty.
joe rogan
Toxic masculinity is a ridiculous thing to say.
There's terrible men.
There's terrible human beings that happen to be men.
There's also terrible human beings that happen to be women.
There's not toxic femininity.
They just have any women who developed in a terrible way, most likely with bad parents, most likely abuse, physical and or sexual, and then they become a monster at the end of all this process.
This is the same with men.
Bad men are just bad human beings that happen to be men.
And when you see terrible things happen, it's not because of toxic masculinity.
It's because it's a bad person.
I believe in the individual.
There's individuals, and some of them are bad and some of them are good.
But if you just want to generalize against all men, you're on an uphill road.
There's too many...
Obviously not me.
I've never invented anything.
But there's too many things that men have done that are positive.
There's way too many.
There's too many things.
If you wanted to have a scoreboard...
And you wanted to compete men versus women.
What are you going to say when you look at all the different accomplishments that men have made?
And obviously it's not me and it's not you.
I'm not talking about us, that we're on a team.
But I'm saying this concept that men are bad.
And you hear this a lot today, especially white men.
I don't want to hear from white men.
Okay, well that's crazy.
Because there's a lot of nice white men.
This is dumb.
jimmy dore
Phil Donahue.
joe rogan
Yeah.
He's one of them.
But just this idea that you can generalize about one entire group, whether it's by gender, or whether it's by race, or by anything.
But you can do that with white men.
You can't really do that with brown women.
You can't say, here's a problem with black women.
You know, all black women are this, that.
People go, you're a racist piece of shit.
But if you say, here's the problem with white men.
Both are gross.
Both statements, generalizations are disgusting, whether they're a gender-based generalization or a sex-based generalization, whatever it is.
jimmy dore
So they would say that that's okay to say that about white men because of the power dynamic.
joe rogan
Yes, exactly.
jimmy dore
That white men have power, so if we say that, it doesn't...
joe rogan
Right, it's not even racist.
jimmy dore
Right.
unidentified
Right.
jimmy dore
That's what...
joe rogan
It's a dumb argument.
jimmy dore
I'm not a professor, so I don't know if that's true or not.
joe rogan
White men have more power, sure.
But they also have more power than white men.
It's a tiny percentage of white men who have the power that we're talking about.
When you're talking about CEOs, when you're talking about judges, yes, yes, white men are in those positions of power.
But they're also in those positions of power over most white men.
It's a very small amount of people that have an extraordinary amount of influence.
Yeah, they happen to be white men, but when you say, white men suck, look at this.
No, that's the smallest percentage of people.
Who are these billionaires?
Who are these CEOs?
Who are these judges?
Who are these people that are in positions of power that happen to be white men?
jimmy dore
So, have you ever...
Now, again, I don't know.
I heard a guy refer to himself, like a regular guy, Refer to himself as a cis male.
joe rogan
I'm going to do that from now on.
jimmy dore
Has anyone ever done that?
It kind of blew me off.
I didn't even know what it was when I first heard it.
joe rogan
Yeah.
It's nonsense.
You're a male.
If you're a trans woman and you want to be referred to only as a woman, fine.
No problem with that.
But I'm not going to call myself a cis male.
That's some new made-up shit.
jimmy dore
It sounds like you're calling yourself a sissy.
joe rogan
Sissy.
jimmy dore
When I first heard it, I thought that's what a guy was doing.
When I first heard it, a guy said, I'm a cis male, blah, blah, blah.
I'm like, you're a sissy?
I didn't know what it meant.
joe rogan
I read this tweet once by this person who was saying, basically, to shame people into using that, ram it down their throats, and eventually they'll accept it, and it'll become normal.
Because if they want to refer to us as trans, we have to refer to them as cis, and we have to force them to refer to themselves as cis.
Oh, that's where it came from?
jimmy dore
I didn't even know that's where it came from.
joe rogan
It's to make a clear distinction.
So instead of making it look like a trans woman is lesser, instead of that, you have cisgender and transgender.
So because you're adding to that name, that prefix, because you're adding to both now, Now you've equalized the playing field.
You level the playing field.
But the problem with that is trans is extremely rare.
It's the reason why you have that prefix in the first place, because it's really, really unusual to meet a trans woman, despite how the internet would have you feel.
jimmy dore
I was always...
I'm sure it's a tough life to be a transgendered person, like incredibly tough.
I was always a little jealous.
unidentified
No, you're not.
joe rogan
Why don't you become a woman?
jimmy dore
I was always like, God, it looks like fun.
joe rogan
Why don't you dress up like Meghan McCain and just start going on rants on your show?
You'd be free.
jimmy dore
I could do that.
joe rogan
You would have such a fucking free pass.
I mean, look, Caitlyn Jenner killed a lady.
Nobody even talks about her.
jimmy dore
Nobody even says anything.
joe rogan
Nobody just slammed her into traffic, not paying attention, rear-ended her into oncoming traffic.
She's dead now, and no one even brings it up.
Everyone's like, she's so brave.
Do you think she's intact?
I heard she cut it off.
Oh my God, is it gone?
jimmy dore
Yeah, I don't...
But that was an accident, right?
It wasn't like...
joe rogan
It was a careless accident.
But still, she rear-ended somebody and slammed her into oncoming traffic.
And whether or not she was on her phone, I don't know.
jimmy dore
Do you ever worry you're going to say something wrong?
I'm always worried, like, I'm ignorant of, like I said, I have big gaps in my knowledge of stuff.
And so I remember I was, what was I talking about the other day?
And I got it totally wrong.
Like, I didn't know, like, somebody from, what, Jamaica.
That's also an African-American.
I didn't know that.
joe rogan
Sure, because they came over from Africa to Jamaica.
jimmy dore
That's what I'm talking about, how dumb.
joe rogan
I wouldn't say African-American.
I guess once they came to America and they're American citizens, yeah, they're African-Americans.
Yeah.
jimmy dore
So I didn't, again, this is...
joe rogan
A lot of Jamaicans refer to themselves as Jamaicans, though.
The thing about Jamaicans is, like, it's really unique how, like, unique cultures are known for, like, specific things that are very positive.
Like, Jamaicans are known for incredible work ethic.
jimmy dore
Yeah?
joe rogan
Jamaicans have multiple jobs.
It's always a stand-up joke.
unidentified
No kidding.
joe rogan
Yeah, yeah.
In New York, there was always jokes about Jamaicans about, you know, that they would get mad at you if you had less than five jobs.
jimmy dore
Oh, no kidding!
joe rogan
Yeah, Jamaicans are known for being, like, very hustle-oriented, hard workers.
jimmy dore
Well, see, that's a New York thing.
I mean, the only thing I've ever heard about Jamaicans is the stereotype of pot and all that stuff.
joe rogan
That, too.
That, too.
But they have a lot of jobs.
jimmy dore
Pot smokers having five jobs goes to show you it doesn't take away your ambition.
joe rogan
They don't.
That's nonsense.
Look, I smoke a lot of pot.
I'm pretty ambitious.
I work a lot.
jimmy dore
I'll do a show where I'm criticizing someone or something, and then I'll smoke a joint afterwards to relax, and then I start second-guessing everything I said.
Yeah, of course.
Do you do that?
unidentified
Yeah, yeah, yeah.
joe rogan
Definitely.
jimmy dore
Okay, I feel better.
joe rogan
We're talking shit.
jimmy dore
Yeah, I know.
joe rogan
I mean, I'm thinking about my poorly worded rant of male versus women, and I'm thinking like, well, I probably should have said that better.
But that's just part of how it works.
What I was getting at from all of this, though, is that...
We have to look at each other as individuals, and this identity politics bullshit that people play, whether it's male versus female, whether it's black versus white and Asian and this and that, they have to be humans, humans first.
And one of the weirder things that's going on in Hollywood now is they're leaning so hard on diversity that it gets distracting.
It's like it gets, like, I went to see, as an example, I went to see Frozen, the musical.
Frozen is about a Nordic...
There's Nordic people, one girl has magic.
Did you ever see it?
You don't have kids, do you?
jimmy dore
No, I don't.
joe rogan
In the play, in the musical, the dad is black and the mom's Chinese.
Which is like, okay, maybe she's Asian.
I don't know.
Maybe she's Korean.
unidentified
I don't know.
joe rogan
It's hard to tell.
I can't see that good.
I'm 52. She's pretty far away.
But she was obviously Asian.
And then they have a kid.
And then the young version of the kid is Asian.
And then the old version of the kid later in the musical is white.
I'm like, you're distracting the fuck out of me here.
jimmy dore
Yeah, that's distracting.
joe rogan
You're distracting the fuck out of me.
How does a black guy and an Asian lady make two blonde ladies?
What's happening here?
Or one has red hair.
How'd that happen?
How did the black guy and the Chinese lady make a blonde?
I guess...
jimmy dore
Like, don't you go, continuity?
joe rogan
But they're just...
It's distracting.
He was great in his role.
She was great in her role.
They were excellent.
It worked.
I accepted it, and I moved on.
But I know what you're doing.
If you had a white guy playing a black guy in a movie, I'd be like, what is happening here?
Why is this white guy pretending to be a black guy?
Are we going to address this?
If there was a musical, and there was a guy, and we decided, we'll just have a white guy play the father of some black guy, and we're just not going to say why he had a kid that was black.
We just assume that you'll figure it out.
Or just, you know...
jimmy dore
Yeah, that breaks the fourth wall.
It breaks your...
Distracting!
I'm suspending my disbelief, and then you're doing things to make me disbelieve.
joe rogan
It's distracting.
It's distracting.
But I appreciate it.
jimmy dore
You understand what they're doing.
joe rogan
I appreciate it, because I think ultimately what it is, is it's all...
All of it is moving in the right direction It's just doing it in a very clunky way They're moving against discrimination They're moving against racism They're moving for cultural diversity Beautiful But it's just distracting.
The way they're doing it is so odd.
But it's like Hollywood is so gross.
They lick their finger.
They have no virtue.
They lick their finger.
They're like, which way the wind blowing?
This way?
We need Asians!
And then they'll just fucking start hiring Asians for things and trying to get Asian people jobs and try to, look, look, look, look, we have Asians!
jimmy dore
We're really...
joe rogan
And then if it becomes Jamaicans, Jamaicans!
We need Jamaicans.
Get them in here.
Get them in here.
They don't give a fuck.
They're trying to make money.
They're trying to make money, and one of the best ways to make money is to ride cultural trends.
And so, our cultural trend right now is a good one.
Even though there's a lot of people that are...
They're basically...
They're controversy pimps, right?
So when these things come up, they use this controversy to gain money or notoriety or push their cause or to use it as the wind behind their sail so they can talk a lot of shit about other people and get a lot of attention.
jimmy dore
It gives them a bit of immunity.
joe rogan
Yes, it gives them a lot of immunity.
I've experienced it.
Of course.
jimmy dore
Yeah.
joe rogan
How have you experienced it?
jimmy dore
I've had people accuse me of being sexist.
joe rogan
We already established that you were sexist.
jimmy dore
Well, of course I am.
Because I treat women equally.
joe rogan
Yes, that's the problem.
jimmy dore
You know I was sexist because I voted for Jill Stein.
joe rogan
Well, anybody that says you're sexist for making fun of Elizabeth Warren dancing is a fucking buffoon, and that's a perfect example of what I'm talking about.
Like, are you saying that you're a person running for the commander-in-chief of the greatest army the world has ever known, and you can't make fun of the way they dance because they have a vagina?
Fuck you!
jimmy dore
I am woman, hear me roar, just don't make fun of my dancing.
joe rogan
Or my roars.
jimmy dore
My roar is like, rawr!
Again, it's like, I thought the answer to this was to treat everybody equally.
joe rogan
Yes.
That's how it should be.
But identity politics, the real problem with it, of course, always, is that you cannot ever say, this is a man, so he must be that.
This is a woman, so she must be that.
This is a black person, so they must be this.
Those generalizations are bad for everybody.
People are nuanced.
And if we don't believe in the individual, then we don't really believe in equality.
We have to, everyone has to have their own way to make it through this life and express themselves in a unique way where they can contribute in a unique way and we can appreciate them for who they are.
Not appreciate them as a woman or appreciate them as a man or as a white man or a black woman or what.
That's nonsense.
It's so dumb.
You might happen to be a black man, or you might happen to be an Asian man, you might happen to be all those things, but you're a person.
You're a fucking individual.
And we should, especially when it comes to meritocracy things, like positions of power in government, like you get elected officials, or even comedians or anything else, you want to make sure that the person who's They're good.
They're just good.
jimmy dore
Yes, so there's that.
But then there's also this other little part of it.
So even someone who, say, doesn't have the pedigree, like there's a white guy from Harvard, right?
He has the straight A's, the greatest whatever.
And then you might get an A-minus student who's a minority or a B-plus student, and that would be more effective to have in a position because they have a different world experience.
So a meritocracy, in a sense, kind of leaves out some people who have different hurdles to get over and have different life experiences that this person won't have.
You know, you see what I'm saying?
Like, you become the people you're surrounded by.
So you might be an African-American, but...
So it's more important to have different economic represented, because you can be really smart, like Chelsea Clinton, but she doesn't know what it's like to have her medicine.
She doesn't know what it's like to have to drop a pharmacy to get medicine for her daughter.
You know what I mean?
She might be super smart, but she doesn't have this information that we need, which is like when FDR, when he was doing the banks and stuff, he got a banker from Texas.
He didn't go to Wall Street.
You know what I mean?
He got regular people to come in.
So there's something to that too, right?
So it's not just a straight meritocracy.
joe rogan
Well, it is a meritocracy in that there's merit in their life experiences.
These individuals that live these difficult lives.
I think that's one of the greatest currencies that a person really carries with them in their life is their experience overcoming adversity.
Their experience overcoming adversity Shapes their character.
unidentified
Yes.
joe rogan
And when you meet someone, maybe you meet this woman and she has all B's through college, but she's been through a lot of shit and she's uniquely clever in how she handles things.
And you talk to her and you look at her record and you go, you know what?
I like you better than this guy who got all A's because he seems kind of like spectrum-y and he's not going to fit in with my company.
But yeah, that makes sense.
But that, again...
You don't just look at meritocracy, you don't just look at grades.
You look at the human overall, the individual.
And there's a lot of benefit to people that have overcome difficult lives.
Those people come out interesting, those people come out important, because they've seen some shit that you haven't seen.
jimmy dore
Yes, that is what, and they understand things that you don't understand.
And that's why a guy like Barack Obama could have a diverse cabinet, but they're all from the same class.
unidentified
Right.
joe rogan
That's fake diversity.
jimmy dore
That's fake diversity.
Yes.
He served the establishment power like any white president did, and his cabinet did the same thing.
By the way, his cabinet came from an email from Citigroup, which I know you know.
joe rogan
Yeah, fuck.
You know, these things are complicated.
That's part of the problem with any of these conversations.
And also, they're so loaded.
When you talk about men or women or black or white or anything, everybody's on edge.
Like, don't say anything stupid.
How do you feel really?
jimmy dore
Well, I'm white.
So I don't have those experiences.
So I always try to limit how I talk about it.
Like I always say I shouldn't be talking about this because I don't have- But you should be talking about anything you want to talk about.
joe rogan
This idea that you should be silenced because you're not in some protected group.
That's nonsense.
jimmy dore
Well, I'm always afraid I'm going to say something ridiculous and ignorant, which I do often say.
unidentified
Yeah, me too.
joe rogan
We're going to say ignorant, ridiculous shit.
You have to have the ability to say ignorant, ridiculous shit if you're going to have a free-flowing conversation.
Like, you and I, we didn't even talk on the phone before this.
We had no idea what we were going to talk about.
jimmy dore
We didn't do a pre-interview.
unidentified
Nothing!
joe rogan
We did nothing.
We come in here, we start rattle.
jimmy dore
Can you imagine if we did a pre-interview?
joe rogan
It would be hilarious.
We just started talking about farts or...
unidentified
Blowjobs, cigars.
Our pre-interview would be fucking ridiculous.
jimmy dore
What do you want to talk about, Jimmy?
I don't know.
joe rogan
It would most certainly be ridiculous.
jimmy dore
I would jack it off seven times a day to keep my testosterone up.
Let's talk about that.
joe rogan
Yeah.
Get it.
jimmy dore
Pre-interviews.
They still do pre-interviews.
By the way, do you ever watch any of those shows?
Ever?
unidentified
No.
joe rogan
No one does.
Very few people are watching those shows.
jimmy dore
I mean, Conan O'Brien get less views than my show.
joe rogan
No, I know.
jimmy dore
It's sad.
That's why they're all doing podcasts now.
joe rogan
I know.
jimmy dore
Because no one's watching that fucking show.
joe rogan
There was a crazy article that Conan O'Brien is leading the wave.
unidentified
Oh my god!
joe rogan
Do you see that?
jimmy dore
In new media!
joe rogan
Yes!
Like, what are you talking about?
jimmy dore
We've been doing this shit for 15 years, bitches!
What the fuck?
joe rogan
He doesn't even get good numbers on his podcast.
jimmy dore
No?
joe rogan
No!
Like, the actual downloads, I mean, he does alright, but he doesn't do as good as, like, Dax Shepard or me or any of the people that are at the top of the heap in comedy.
jimmy dore
Well, you know, you use your platform, Joe, to actually have real conversations and say things.
Now, I haven't listened to Conan Bryan's podcast because, you know, I've got anything else to do, but...
joe rogan
He's interviewing famous people.
jimmy dore
Yeah, it's fucking the same bullshit, and it's not...
I mean, hey, Marc Maron's got that covered, right?
He did that.
joe rogan
He's been doing it for 10 fucking years.
jimmy dore
That's right.
People opened up to their heart.
So he has this thing, and then you do this other thing.
It's fucking covered.
You aren't breaking any new...
That was crazy.
That was a New York Times headline, wasn't it, Joe?
joe rogan
I think it was Variety.
jimmy dore
Or was it Variety?
joe rogan
I think it was Variety.
And everybody in Hollywood was like, what in the fuck are you talking about?
jimmy dore
Yeah, yeah.
Well, it was funny too, yeah.
joe rogan
I got tagged on it so many times, I'm like, I'm not even going to comment.
Because I can't.
jimmy dore
It's Conan O'Brien, he's revolutionized.
joe rogan
Yeah, he's changing the game.
jimmy dore
He's changing the game!
Because he had a photo shoot.
joe rogan
Yeah, he's a white male.
He's a problem.
jimmy dore
He is a cis male.
joe rogan
He's another one of those white men at the top of podcasting.
It's bullshit.
jimmy dore
Yeah, I don't know if he's at the top of podcasting, Joe.
I wouldn't say that.
joe rogan
All of it.
It's just gross.
jimmy dore
Did you ever do his show?
joe rogan
Yeah, I did his show before.
A couple times.
jimmy dore
They all seem like nice people.
joe rogan
He's a nice guy.
jimmy dore
They all seem like very nice people.
I feel bad when I go after them on Twitter.
I go after Andy Richter all the time.
joe rogan
Of course you do.
jimmy dore
I go after Andy Richter all the time.
joe rogan
Why do you go after Andy Richter?
jimmy dore
I can tell he's a nice guy.
Why do you go after him?
Well, because he's famous, right?
joe rogan
And he's a white male.
jimmy dore
And he's a white male.
joe rogan
He's a real problem.
jimmy dore
So it's very safe for me to go after him.
But there's this Hollywood mentality on the left, right?
And this Hollywood mentality on the left is that all bad things started in January 2017. They have no idea how he got there.
So he's tweeting out this stuff about how Trump has the cognition of an 8-year-old, right?
Because he wants to do war crimes.
Can you believe this guy?
I'm like, dude, they've been fucking doing war crimes since I was born.
Why are you acting like this just started?
We don't ever prosecute them, and they're not going to prosecute him for war crimes.
Why are you fucking doing that?
You know what war criminals do?
They go and dance with Ellen on daytime television.
That's the cognition of Hollywood.
Michelle Obama says George Bush and her have the exact same values.
A war criminal.
She has the exact same.
That's the cognition of a fucking first lady.
We're going to talk about cognition, how we fucking got here, and you're smarter than that, Andy Richter, and that's why I hold his feet to the fire.
I know he's a nice guy.
joe rogan
But he gets locked into that team mentality.
jimmy dore
It's all team.
It's all fucking vote blue no matter who.
It's all forget how we got here.
Let's forget that Barack Obama was unbelievably corrupt, which is why we don't have a functioning banking system, which is why we don't have a functioning healthcare system, which is why he took us from two wars to seven, which is why he had a peace prize and a fucking kill list.
Where's my kill list?
Oh, maybe it's underneath my peace prize.
I use it as a paperweight, kind of ironically.
Anyway, these are the things that I try to focus on, Joe.
By the way, I was right about all of them.
joe rogan
Yes.
jimmy dore
And I was right about fucking Russiagate.
joe rogan
You were.
jimmy dore
But the beautiful thing about you- Did I come out here and do a victory lap yet?
joe rogan
You should.
You should spit around in your chair.
The thing about you, though, is you are a left-wing guy that's willing to criticize the left.
And for some people, that seems to be a taboo thing.
They don't want to talk about the left.
jimmy dore
Oh, you can't.
First of all, I found out that people who want to make it in the Democratic Party are not allowed to come to my shows.
joe rogan
No.
jimmy dore
So I was doing a show and this woman who I know who was involved in Democratic politics, I kind of want to say anything about who they are, because they'll get in trouble.
And so she came to my show.
And she goes, you know, this other person who's climbing in the Democratic Party was supposed to come with me.
And at the last minute, she didn't.
And I called her and I said, why don't you come?
And she goes, you know, if I get seen at a Jimmy Dore show, my career in the Democratic Party is over.
joe rogan
Oh, it's Kamala Harris.
I can tell by your accent.
You racist piece of shit.
I can tell.
Couldn't you tell, Jamie?
I can tell.
jimmy dore
And I'm like, that's...
joe rogan
Has she ever been on your show?
jimmy dore
Kamala Harris?
joe rogan
Yes.
jimmy dore
No.
joe rogan
Oh, it must be her.
unidentified
Oh, we did some quick, easy FBI work right there.
jimmy dore
So anyway, that made me feel good.
That makes me feel good.
I want to be an outsider.
I want people to be afraid of me.
joe rogan
They're afraid of you now.
jimmy dore
Well, I don't know if they are, but they won't come on my show.
So that's good.
And by the way, my show was never about guests.
My show was all about my opinion and calling out bullshit.
Yeah.
joe rogan
You're doing the right thing.
I'm doing the wrong thing because they all keep asking to be on my show.
jimmy dore
Oh, okay.
joe rogan
I've had requests from all of them.
jimmy dore
Really?
joe rogan
Oh, yeah.
Biden, Warren.
jimmy dore
How do you resist that shit?
unidentified
Mayor Pete.
joe rogan
Because I have my friends.
I'd rather talk to my friends.
jimmy dore
Yeah, I know.
I get a boner.
joe rogan
I like Tulsi and I like Bernie.
That's it.
jimmy dore
Oh, yeah?
joe rogan
Everybody else can eat shit.
jimmy dore
Look at you, fucking progressive.
joe rogan
Yeah.
Well, I've always been.
Yeah.
unidentified
What?
jimmy dore
Yeah.
Everyone says you're a right-winger.
joe rogan
They're out of their fucking mind.
I've never voted right-wing in my life.
jimmy dore
Really?
joe rogan
Never.
Never.
I voted Democrat except for Independent.
I voted for Gary Johnson because he did my podcast.
jimmy dore
People don't realize how powerful.
joe rogan
Yeah, I'm not right-wing at all.
jimmy dore
Oh, okay.
That's wild.
joe rogan
No, there's nothing about me that's right-wing.
jimmy dore
When you kill your own food.
joe rogan
That's it.
Well, that's crazy.
95-plus percent of the population of the planet eats meat.
I just happen to kill my own.
Yeah, that's it.
It's not like 95% of the population is right-wing because they kill their own food.
I think there's a lot of right-wing family values and things like that that I admire.
But when it gets to homophobia, when it gets to women's rights, that's where I break.
I'm 100% in favor of women's rights, 100% in favor of gay rights, gay marriage.
I'm a big proponent of...
There's got to be some new action taken to clean up a lot of these crime-ridden communities.
And the idea that we can spend all this money overseas, but we can't spend money on Flint, Michigan, or Detroit, or the South Side of Chicago, that to me is insane.
That doesn't make any sense.
And this idea that we're all on the same starting page is so fucking stupid, too.
That is a very non-right-wing way of looking at it, because everybody's like, you've got to pull yourself up by your bootstraps.
There's a lot of people that came out of bad neighborhoods, but they didn't fucking cry, woe is me.
They just went out there and they kicked ass.
That's nonsense.
You have no idea what it's like to grow up in a crime-ridden...
Poverty-infested, drug-addled neighborhood.
You don't know what that's like, and we should make it so that no one knows what that's like.
If we want America better, the best way to start is to clean up all the spots that suck and make people that are coming out of there have a real chance at making something out of their life.
Don't have it so that they're starting out from the time they're a child with a massive deficit.
That, to me...
jimmy dore
And what you mean by cleaning up the...
joe rogan
I mean community programs, putting money...
jimmy dore
Jobs.
joe rogan
Jobs.
Not just jobs, but community programs where kids have a safe place to go.
That's a big part of it.
Protect them from the gangs.
Put more cops in those neighborhoods and have them there all the time.
Make them a part of the community.
They've got to do something about the violence and do something about the gangs in this repetitive cycle of people growing up in these neighborhoods and getting trapped in these same horrible conditions that their parents did or their grandparents did.
And it's an endless cycle.
jimmy dore
And we pretend like we don't have the resources to fix these.
FDR did.
You want a job?
I'll give you a job.
That means you're going to go work.
I'm not giving you anything.
You're earning it.
And guess what?
We have the money for it.
Wouldn't that be amazing if they did that?
joe rogan
There could be strategies that are implemented that might not all work.
But I don't feel like anything's doing it.
jimmy dore
We're going to have enterprise zones.
joe rogan
Yeah.
jimmy dore
Obviously, and then they want the school to fix all the problems of the community.
No, what you need is jobs.
What people need is something to look forward to.
They need to know that if they play by the rules, they will get things.
You can have a job right now, those people working, and they don't have any healthcare.
unidentified
Right.
jimmy dore
And they get broken, their life goes upside down.
Exactly.
I mean, you know how.
I have a job, but I got sick, my life got turned upside down because of bills.
unidentified
Yes.
joe rogan
And this is not just black communities either.
We're talking about the coal mining communities in West Virginia.
jimmy dore
West Virginia, exactly.
joe rogan
It's horrific, man.
I have a good friend who's from there.
He's like, man, you don't know what poverty is like.
You don't even know what poverty is like until you see that.
These people have nothing.
jimmy dore
I talked to a guy on my show.
His name is Nick Smith from Virginia.
And he told me he was a Waffle House cook.
And he told me, and I might have even told you this before, he said, hey, we all knew that Donald Trump was a loudmouthed Yankee who should have had his ass kicked a long time ago.
But Hillary Clinton wasn't offering us anything.
So he was at least offering us something.
So they're desperate.
These people need something.
She wouldn't even sign on to a $15 minimum wage when she was running.
What the fuck's wrong with you?
joe rogan
Well, she didn't even believe in gay marriage until 2013. How about that?
2013 is when she came around with gay marriage.
jimmy dore
You were ahead of her on that, weren't you, Joe?
joe rogan
Well, I actually lived in San Francisco around gay people when I was real little.
I was like 7 to 11. My family lived right off of Lombard Street.
jimmy dore
No kidding!
joe rogan
Yeah, we lived in San Francisco in the height of the...
I mean, it was the Vietnam War.
There was all these hippies.
My stepdad was a hippie.
jimmy dore
Oh, no kidding.
joe rogan
Yeah.
So it's like, I mean, I've been liberal my whole life.
I just look like a Republican.
You know?
jimmy dore
Yeah, I think that's it.
And you like beating the shit out of people.
joe rogan
Well, I like some violent things, and I have guns, and you know, there's a lot of things that you could make an inference, like, oh, that guy seems like you would be.
jimmy dore
But no, I... My friend Graham Elwood is, do you know him?
joe rogan
Sure.
jimmy dore
He was on his livestream the other day, and he's very anti-war like me, and so these people were fucking with him to be pro-war.
And he's like, that's right, I'll knock you out!
That's right, you ever been knocked out by a vegetarian?
unidentified
Like, that should be a t-shirt.
joe rogan
That's hilarious.
Well, that's another group that people like to play identity politics with.
What are you eating?
You know, how much of that is...
jimmy dore
So you with the meat.
So my doctor, Dr. Sharp.
So now you have a special bone problem, right?
joe rogan
Dr. Sharp from Pasadena?
unidentified
That's right.
jimmy dore
Holy shit!
joe rogan
Yeah, I should have said that.
I would have been on it, man.
jimmy dore
So he tells me, he always does this, like this, right?
He goes, Jimmy, you're from Chicago.
You eat meat, right?
joe rogan
Deep dish pizza, right?
jimmy dore
And I go, yeah, I'm trying not to.
And he goes, why?
I go, you know, global warming.
I saw cows jumping like dogs.
I feel bad.
joe rogan
That video of them bouncing around?
jimmy dore
I can't eat pork anymore.
I just can't eat pork anymore.
joe rogan
Pork is shady.
jimmy dore
I can't do it.
joe rogan
But wild pigs must be stopped.
jimmy dore
Oh, they can kill you, right?
Boars?
Wild boars?
joe rogan
Well, they killed a lady in Texas and ate her.
They found her, an elderly lady, they found her in her driveway, torn apart by wild pigs.
She was on her way out to the car and she just ran into a pack of them and they took her out.
jimmy dore
A pack?
joe rogan
Yeah, yeah.
jimmy dore
Yeah, I've seen videos.
Those things are...
joe rogan
They have to kill them.
There's so many of them, and they breed so quickly.
They have four in a litter.
They'll have four litters in a year.
jimmy dore
Really?
joe rogan
Yeah.
Bang, bang, bang, bang, bang, bang, bang.
That's why there's millions and millions of wild pigs.
They started with just a few pigs that were on, like, the Pinta or the Santa Maria or some shit, and they spread across the entire country.
jimmy dore
But once you find out that they have emotions...
joe rogan
Yes, that's a problem.
jimmy dore
That's what I can't...
I can't do that.
They have emotions...
joe rogan
That's why you shoot them from a distance.
You don't want to get up close.
jimmy dore
So your theory is they don't know it's coming?
joe rogan
No.
But that is a good way to do it because then they die quickly.
jimmy dore
But what if you kill their mother?
What if you have a pig and then you kill the pig's mother?
joe rogan
You don't do that if you're an ethical hunter.
You don't shoot a pig that has piglets.
You try to avoid it.
jimmy dore
What about a deer?
joe rogan
They don't do that either.
That's illegal.
The only time they do do that, though, in some places illegal, the only time they do do that with pigs is when they're trying to eradicate all of them.
Like, there's some farmlands that experience just devastating losses because of wild pigs.
jimmy dore
Okay.
joe rogan
And especially in Texas, millions and millions of dollars a year, which cripples these companies.
They go under because of wild pigs.
Like, some farms can literally go bankrupt.
Oh, my God.
You have no idea what it's like unless you've been around them.
jimmy dore
But what about pig farming, right?
joe rogan
That's a different thing.
Yeah, most pig farming is disgusting.
jimmy dore
I can't...
joe rogan
It's horrible.
But then there's ethical pig farms where they raise these pigs, where they let them roam around.
And the meat looks different because they're eating acorns and natural foods.
unidentified
Oh, really?
joe rogan
Yeah, there's a guy named Joel Salatin, and he runs this farm called Polyface Farms, and he's all about regenerative farming.
And he discusses how the way animals live best is the way they live naturally.
Chickens are supposed to roam free.
So he has this portable chicken house and they roll it into a new field and then the chickens go into the chicken house at night and then in the morning they come out and then they go roam around and they move it to another spot.
So they eat all the bugs and all the grass and all the stuff in the area and then they move to a new spot.
And so they raise chickens and the eggs are healthier.
The pigs, the pork is healthier.
These pigs are wandering around in these open areas and then they corral them and then they kill them quickly.
jimmy dore
I just, once I found out, you know, they have real emotions like dogs, I just think about my dog, and I just fall apart.
I can't...
joe rogan
I hear you.
But wild pigs are different animals.
jimmy dore
Yeah, that's different.
joe rogan
Because they're an invasive species, you know they actually morph, they change shape?
Like a wild pig and a domestic pig is the same animal.
Like when people talk about, oh, a Russian wild boar, this is all nonsense.
It's all Sue Scroffa.
It's all one genus.
It's the same animal.
jimmy dore
Really?
joe rogan
Yeah, when a wild, when a pig, a domestic pig goes wild, I mean, there's different versions of them, but they can all breed with each other.
When a domestic pig goes wild, like say if you had a domestic pig and you said, go ahead, Porky, be free, and you open up your gate, within weeks, within weeks, they start to physically change.
Their snout starts to lengthen, their hair gets thicker and bushier, and their tusks grow.
jimmy dore
No kidding.
joe rogan
Yes, they literally become what you think of when you think of wild boars.
It just takes a while.
But they're one of the weirder animals.
They're almost like gremlins when you feed them after midnight.
When you let them go, they start changing.
They morph.
jimmy dore
So I... So Dr. Sharp says to me, from Pasadena, he says, well, you should eat meat.
And I'm like, because of my condition, right?
And he tells this long story about how we evolved.
He sits down and starts telling me.
And about how we were cavemen and inside the glaciers and the thing.
And he's like, so you should eat meat, especially you, because of your condition.
And I go, okay, well, how often?
And he goes, every day.
And I was like, Jesus, I can't do that, you know?
But this is medical advice from a guy who saved my life, right?
So it's like, I eat meat a couple times a week.
joe rogan
Do you feel better or worse when you eat it?
jimmy dore
I do have more energy.
joe rogan
Yeah, well that's probably good, right?
jimmy dore
Yeah.
Why don't you eat meat more often?
Just because of conscience.
joe rogan
You don't have to eat pork.
jimmy dore
I know.
joe rogan
If you eat humanely raised meat...
jimmy dore
So there's grass-fed, that kind of shit?
joe rogan
Yeah, you can buy grass-fed, grass-finished meat from farmers that have a commitment to humanely raised and humanely euthanized animals.
I wouldn't say euthanized, killed animals.
The way they kill them when they harvest them, they just lead them into a pen, they have no idea what's coming, and they put a bolt to their head and bang, they take them out.
It can be done in a way where the animal has no idea what happens until it's over.
jimmy dore
Mm-hmm.
joe rogan
And it's not like they're going to live forever.
I mean, obviously, this is a slippery argument because you say that about people too, right?
This guy's an asshole.
Let's just kill him.
It's not like he's going to live forever.
You don't want to say that.
But the quality of the meat is far better if the animal is living a natural life.
jimmy dore
Right.
joe rogan
You're talking about organic.
jimmy dore
No hormones.
joe rogan
No hormones.
jimmy dore
No antibiotics.
Feeding at corn.
joe rogan
Yeah.
No corn, man.
That shit's terrible for cows.
unidentified
I know.
joe rogan
They're not supposed to eat that.
They're ruminants.
They eat fucking grass.
That's what they do.
When they're at their best and healthiest and healthiest for you.
There's better fatty acids in it.
It's just healthier for you.
jimmy dore
And so you think if you went vegetarian it would be bad for your health?
joe rogan
I don't know.
I don't I think it's definitely doable.
I definitely think you can go vegetarian and be healthy.
But you have to be really careful about a lot of your nutrient levels.
You have to really make sure you get enough vitamin D, a lot of B12. You gotta check your essential fatty acid levels.
There's a lot of stuff that looks real good on paper, but then you find out it's not bioavailable.
jimmy dore
I tried to go vegan for a while, and I got fat.
joe rogan
Well, it's a lot of carbs.
jimmy dore
Yeah, I didn't know what I was doing.
I wasn't doing it right, whatever.
I don't like soy.
joe rogan
Why don't you like tofu?
unidentified
I don't like tofu.
jimmy dore
Just something about it.
joe rogan
Did you fuck with any of that vegan chicken stuff or any of those weird ones that make them look like real food?
jimmy dore
There's a name for that.
Oh, no, no, but that fake meat they have now is fantastic.
joe rogan
It's really bad for you, though.
Do you know that?
It actually causes liver problems in rats.
Yeah, pull up fake meat, liver problems, rats.
unidentified
No!
joe rogan
Yeah, look, it's all oils.
So that stuff is all processed food oils.
It's processed vegetable oils.
jimmy dore
And that's bad?
joe rogan
Yeah, just eat fucking vegetables, man.
If you want to be a vegetarian, eat vegetables.
Look, there's a lot of people that would say a regular burger is not good for you either.
But of course a regular burger is just meat with bread and all the bullshit.
The bread and all the bullshit is what's bad for you.
It's not the burger itself, as long as it's an actual meat burger.
Particularly if it's a grass-fed burger.
jimmy dore
So what is he pulling up?
joe rogan
He's pulling up this study about one of them.
Impossible Burger, Beyond Meat, one of them.
But they were talking about how there's studies that are showing that this is not...
But again, they're not marketing it as a healthy alternative.
jimmy dore
No.
joe rogan
They're marketing it as a meat-free burger.
And a burger is kind of like a fun food anyway.
Here it is.
Rat feeding study suggests the Impossible Burger may not be safe to eat.
L-O-fucking-L. Oh, wow!
But if you go to the ingredients, man, I've had scientists relay the ingredients to me.
jimmy dore
I thought it was just coconut oil.
joe rogan
Oh, it's a bunch of fucked up stuff.
Because they've got to make it seem like it's a real burger.
jimmy dore
Heem is that thing that makes it taste like it.
It's called heem.
joe rogan
Heem iron.
jimmy dore
Something like that.
That's what gives it that flavor that people are looking for.
joe rogan
How are they getting that?
jimmy dore
I don't know where they get that from.
joe rogan
Soylent green.
jimmy dore
Not good?
It's a people, Joe?
unidentified
It's a people.
joe rogan
It's people.
jimmy dore
That sucks.
joe rogan
That sucks.
jimmy dore
So you don't think you'll ever stop eating meat?
You think you'll always...
You're like, animals are here for us to eat, and that's that.
joe rogan
I don't think that.
I think we definitely evolved.
The human animal evolved from eating meat.
And that's not under debate.
I mean, we evolved from eating meat.
Weirdo vegans try to say crazy shit like, Oh, why don't we have canines?
How come we can't eat meat raw?
Well, because, asshole, we figured out fire a long fucking time ago, and our bodies adapted because of that.
Our teeth adapted because we figured out how to cut things with utensils, and we figured out how to cook things so they're more tender.
It's not as simple as, like, why do we have an appendix?
Why is that?
I'll tell you why, because we used to eat differently, and we still have a leftover organ, some weird fucking organ for breaking down bark and shit.
You know, we don't need that anymore.
We don't need bark anymore.
jimmy dore
Is that what...
joe rogan
Yeah, it's like roots and stuff.
Oh, really?
Yeah, I think that's what the appendix is for.
I think it was initially for breaking down, like, very hard-to-digest fibrous things.
jimmy dore
So I had my gallbladder out.
joe rogan
Whoa, what did you do with it?
You gonna put it back in?
jimmy dore
Yeah, I'm thinking about it.
I have it in my glove box.
joe rogan
What happened?
jimmy dore
No, I was having gallbladder attacks.
I thought it was a heart attack.
joe rogan
Whoa, where's a gallbladder?
I don't even know where that is.
jimmy dore
It was like right here.
joe rogan
Oh, Jesus.
jimmy dore
And I always heard like your heart attack feels like it's in the center.
But this was a little lower.
I'm like, this is a heart attack.
I'm dying.
This is no doubt I'm dying.
unidentified
Oh, no.
jimmy dore
I thought for sure I was dying.
So I'm on the couch, and I remember I'm just like, this is, my wife calls the fireman, and I'm just like, this is it.
This is how it's going to happen.
I was kind of okay with it, right?
Because I was in a lot of pain, I wanted it to end.
I was like, okay, if I die, I die.
But then they came and they shot me, and I was like, oh, I feel fantastic again.
So it wasn't, it was just my gallbladder.
They took it out.
What does it do?
The gallbladder secretes bile into your stomach to help digest things, right?
So gallbladder would be like, for bile, when your liver makes bile, it's like your reservoir.
Right.
So now I don't have a reservoir anymore.
So now it just is always kind of dripping.
joe rogan
Is it fucked with you anymore?
jimmy dore
You know, it's fucked with me in lots of different ways.
Yeah, my appetite is...
joe rogan
Gets weird when you get nervous?
jimmy dore
It doesn't come...
It doesn't come on slowly.
joe rogan
Bam!
So that's why you had to eat when you were on stage like that.
jimmy dore
Oh, that makes sense.
Often, after I eat, I have to go to the bathroom right away.
joe rogan
Right away?
jimmy dore
Yeah, I don't know.
Ever since I had my gallbladder.
I don't know if other people have that.
I haven't Googled it.
joe rogan
Now, was there any alternative to getting it removed?
Did they say, hey, maybe you could change your diet?
jimmy dore
I was not given an alternative.
So you have, like, calcium deposits in your thing, and they block the duct.
And then that's what causes all the pain.
And so eventually it'll dislodge itself and the pain will go away, but it could kill you if it stays and doesn't go away.
And so they have to take it out.
unidentified
Jesus Christ.
jimmy dore
Yeah.
And guess, so here's a great story about our medical system, right?
So I have Blue Cross insurance.
I have the best that you could buy or what have you.
And so I had my second gallbladder attack, and I was like, I got to get this goddamn thing out because I can't have this happen again.
It hurts too much, right?
So I called the doctor, and they're like, I can't even get a consultation for three weeks in network.
Yeah.
So I have to get a consultation, then I have to wait another three or four weeks to get the operation.
So this could maybe be two months before I get the operation.
joe rogan
Of these attacks.
jimmy dore
And I'm going to have another goddamn attack.
So I went out of network, and I got another doctor to come take care of me faster, so I didn't have to worry about this.
joe rogan
So you had to pay out of pocket.
jimmy dore
So I had to pay out of pocket.
joe rogan
Okay.
jimmy dore
Yes, so this whole thing you're gonna have to wait, you have to fucking wait right now!
joe rogan
Yeah.
jimmy dore
It's ridiculous why you act like that.
joe rogan
No, it's true.
jimmy dore
It is true.
joe rogan
It is true.
I have friends in Canada, it's way worse up there though.
jimmy dore
About waiting?
joe rogan
Yeah, I had a friend, she needed a knee operation, they waited a fucking year.
So for a whole year she's walking around with a torn ACL and a fucked up knee.
Yeah, a whole year, a year, 12 months, 365 days.
Just hobbling around.
jimmy dore
Do you know anybody in Canada that would trade their health care plan for a United States health care plan?
joe rogan
No, they don't want to pay for it.
Once you don't have to pay for it, you don't want to pay for it.
There's a great video where this guy interviews people in England and he asks them, how much do you think it costs to have a baby?
And they're like, $100?
Try 10 grand.
He's like, what?
jimmy dore
Yeah, I saw that.
joe rogan
Yeah, everybody freaks out.
jimmy dore
Everybody freaks out.
joe rogan
Yeah, well, once you're used to things being free, you don't want to pay for them.
Look, I think healthcare should be free.
I really do.
I think education should be free.
I think if we're going to spend money as a community, if we have a gigantic community of people, and that's what a country really is, right?
unidentified
That's it.
joe rogan
It's a community.
What is the most important thing to take care of?
Well, we've got to take care of old people, sick people.
We've got to take care of poor people.
The idea that somehow or another...
That this is a foolish notion.
That you have to take care of people.
That education.
It wouldn't be better if more people are educated?
Yeah.
So why shouldn't that be free?
Well, we don't have the money.
But we have how much money?
How much?
jimmy dore
131 extra billion they gave Trump.
joe rogan
That'd be a lot of education.
jimmy dore
Yeah.
joe rogan
A lot of people learn shit that way.
jimmy dore
Yeah.
That's double the money it would take to send everybody to college for free.
joe rogan
That's hilarious.
jimmy dore
$65 billion a year to send everybody to college.
They just spent $131 billion to give to him.
That's double, right?
I'm not a math surgeon, but I'm pretty sure that's double.
joe rogan
Math surgeon.
I think if we figured out a way to, you know...
jimmy dore
You know, Ari Schaeffer says the same stuff.
I was just on his show and he was saying, we've got to take care of homeless people.
I'm like, I thought you were a right winger.
joe rogan
Oh, he's not right-wing at all.
jimmy dore
I guess not.
joe rogan
Oh, he's very left-wing.
Why'd you think everybody was right-wing?
Because we talk shit?
jimmy dore
I don't know.
I just hear shit, you know, on social media or whatever.
joe rogan
Oh, those idiots.
They just think because I've talked to Alex Jones or because I've had, you know, right-wing people on that, you know...
jimmy dore
Oh, you're platforming people, Joe?
joe rogan
Yeah.
I've been friends with Alex Jones since the 90s.
I've known that guy forever.
jimmy dore
Joe, when I went in...
Did I ever tell you this story?
joe rogan
When you spin his face?
jimmy dore
So when the iced tea accidentally, I got...
So, um...
So whatever.
First, I didn't think that would be that big of a deal.
Wow, that turned out to be a big deal, right?
joe rogan
Right.
jimmy dore
So then whatever.
So then the next day I talked to some people from his show, and we were all friends, right?
But not him.
And so I went down like a couple months later to do Austin.
So I go to the steakhouse right there.
I forget the name.
It's the big place, right?
It's right across the street from the West End.
And so I'm there.
My brother came down for the weekend, my brother and his wife, and we're all sitting there.
We're eating.
And all of a sudden, my brother goes, Alex Jones just walked in.
He's sitting right behind you.
I go, get the fuck out of here.
He's going to come peep me up.
unidentified
And he gets up to swing and he says, I'm friends with Joe Rogan!
jimmy dore
But my brother's a big guy, right?
So all my brothers are bigger than me.
And tough, too, right?
And so I was like, all right, well, if you see him coming this way, you gotta...
joe rogan
Let me out.
jimmy dore
So he's back, and he goes, he just sat down, he shook hands with this guy three times.
I go, oh, it sounds like they're up to something.
Luckily, we were finishing, and I was like, okay, I'm going to finish, and I'm going to walk the fuck out of here.
joe rogan
That's hilarious.
Just get out of here, slick.
unidentified
He could crush me.
joe rogan
He wouldn't.
You would be able to talk to him.
He's a lot more reasonable than people think he is, especially now.
Now he's not drinking anymore.
jimmy dore
Oh, really?
joe rogan
Yeah, he's been off booze for, shit, I want to say many, many months now.
Yeah, it's been quite a while.
He has no drinking.
He just realized he was losing his fucking mind.
He was getting deplatformed.
He was drinking like a bottle, bottle and a half of vodka every night.
Yeah, he was going hard.
jimmy dore
Stressful times.
I can understand why people do shit like that.
joe rogan
And when you do drink that much, you do get psychotic.
jimmy dore
Dude, I love drinking and I don't drink like I used to anymore.
joe rogan
Well, you get older too.
Your body can't process it right anymore.
jimmy dore
I wake up the next day, I'm depressed.
joe rogan
Yeah.
Yep.
jimmy dore
I love drinking martinis during a live show.
joe rogan
And the next day, you're like, oh.
jimmy dore
The next day, I'm like, oh, everything's wrong.
Everything's bad.
joe rogan
But you know what a lot of that is?
A lot of it is not just the alcohol.
It's also the dehydration.
jimmy dore
Oh, yeah?
joe rogan
Yeah.
If you just hydrate and take a lot of electrolytes.
jimmy dore
You think?
joe rogan
Yeah, yeah, yeah.
You can mitigate a lot of that stuff.
Also, glutathione.
Glutathione can help your body process alcohol quicker.
jimmy dore
Yeah.
Glutathione?
joe rogan
Glutathione, yeah, it's an antioxidant, super potent antioxidant.
Yeah, it actually, your body produces it and it aids in the process of processing alcohol.
jimmy dore
I didn't know that.
joe rogan
Yeah, I can help you a little bit.
Give you a little boost.
jimmy dore
I did drink in Hawaii.
They have Mai Tais.
joe rogan
I bet you did.
jimmy dore
Those fucking Mai Tais, man.
I love them.
I couldn't stop drinking them.
They taste so good.
joe rogan
Yeah, that's a problem when things are delicious, but yet also get you fucked up.
jimmy dore
Alcohol, yeah.
But I wasn't driving anywhere.
I didn't have to do anything, so it was all right.
joe rogan
There used to be a place in West Palm Beach, Improv, and downstairs they had one of those alcoholic Slurpee places.
jimmy dore
Oh, no!
joe rogan
You know those things?
jimmy dore
Yes!
joe rogan
And they taste fucking delicious.
And they had one of them called Call a Cab.
And you would drink it, and it was like, I drank one on stage once, and by the end of the show, I was like, thank God the show ended the way it did, because I forgot how to talk.
jimmy dore
Really?
joe rogan
Oh my God, I was so sloshed.
By the time the show was over, I was, one glass.
I mean, one, like, it was like a Big Gulp-sized call a cab.
I don't know how many drinks were in this one.
jimmy dore
How many shots were there, like seven shots or something?
joe rogan
Fuckload.
But it's like a giant mix, right?
unidentified
Yeah.
joe rogan
So it's just like 7-Eleven Slurpees.
It all comes out.
jimmy dore
Sugar, I got a lot of sugar in it.
joe rogan
Oh, all sugar.
But it tastes good.
It tastes good, and you get fucked up.
Yeah.
jimmy dore
I've never been that fucked up on stage.
There was a time when I was going through a phase where I dropped my pants on stage.
unidentified
Oh.
joe rogan
You stopped doing that?
jimmy dore
I did.
People start to complain.
unidentified
Why?
jimmy dore
I don't know.
I'm like, this is the oldest comic gig in the fucking gig in the thing.
This is the gag.
You drop your pants.
I'm Jerry Lewis.
It's funny.
joe rogan
Did you have underwear on?
jimmy dore
Yeah.
Oh, no.
Yeah, I had underwear on.
joe rogan
Ari pulls his hog out.
Not anymore.
unidentified
Really?
joe rogan
I think he's scared now.
jimmy dore
Can you do that?
Isn't that illegal?
joe rogan
Yeah, you can still pull your hog out.
He pulled his hog out at Skank Fest in New York.
They had a, you know, Skank Fest.
jimmy dore
I'm, again, not familiar with this stuff.
unidentified
You gotta get in the loop.
jimmy dore
I know, I'm out of it.
joe rogan
He did it a few weeks ago.
unidentified
Did he?
I killed Tony, yeah.
joe rogan
Pulled his hog out again?
jamie vernon
Yeah, right before he was here, right before maybe Tony was here, one of the times.
joe rogan
Where was it?
Mainstage.
Oh, in the comic store?
unidentified
Yeah, yeah.
joe rogan
Well, probably shouldn't say that.
That could probably be a problem.
Illegal.
jimmy dore
Well, I used to do it, Joe.
joe rogan
It's a fake rubber dick.
Don't worry about it, folks.
jimmy dore
I used to do it.
joe rogan
You used to pull your dick out?
jimmy dore
Yeah, and then nobody noticed that I was embarrassing.
unidentified
I get it.
I get it.
joe rogan
It's a joke.
jimmy dore
Yeah, Joe.
Sometimes I do jokes, all right?
It's okay.
What am I here, my father?
joe rogan
No, it's okay.
It's all fine.
It's all fine.
Ari has always done ridiculous shit.
He used to go on stage with his balls out of his pants and how to dress it.
unidentified
Come on!
joe rogan
So he'd go on stage and do his act.
unidentified
Come on!
joe rogan
And what he would do is he would just unzip his pants, pull his sack out, and then just have only his sack hanging out while he was on stage.
jamie vernon
Who did it at the store where there was someone on stage?
unidentified
Joey.
There was Joey behind the person.
joe rogan
There was a woman on stage.
She was terrible.
Like one of the worst comics that's ever done comedy.
And...
This one night she was killing.
I mean fucking killing.
And this is why.
When she would hit a punchline, Joey was hiding behind the stage and he was naked.
unidentified
And he'd go, ah!
joe rogan
And then he would close the curtains.
And so she would get this giant fucking laugh.
And she was like, wow!
And you can see her kind of feeling her oats.
And then she's like, and then I told him, fuck you!
And I'm like, ah!
jimmy dore
No!
joe rogan
Yes!
Balls ass naked.
jimmy dore
That seems like you could be in jail.
That seems criminal.
joe rogan
With Joey's balls look like grapefruit in an old lady's pantyhose.
And he's got a giant dick.
So Joey would, you know, he's got this huge belly.
So he opens up the curtains.
His pants are down by his ankles.
His balls and his dick are hanging out.
He's got this huge belly.
Yeah.
She never did comedy again.
jimmy dore
Really?
joe rogan
No.
unidentified
I'm making that up.
jimmy dore
Oh, okay.
joe rogan
She should've.
There he is.
That's in Austin, actually.
That was where we were at the hotel, hanging out in the...
There's Ari in the background.
jimmy dore
Yeah.
joe rogan
Hanging out at the jacuzzi, getting ready for the show.
jimmy dore
Wow.
Yeah.
joe rogan
Back in the day.
jimmy dore
I mean, like, comedies, it's already dangerous enough.
unidentified
I don't need to add nudity.
joe rogan
Well, you get in trouble now for things like that.
People can get really angry at you for showing your dick.
It's not like the olden days.
It was a subtle gag.
It's a goof.
Nobody cared.
It's got its cock out.
Joey used to do it all the time.
jimmy dore
Yeah.
I don't...
There was...
I remember when I was a kid, I had older sisters, and there was a flasher in our neighborhood.
unidentified
Oh.
jimmy dore
And they would go, I'm like, oh, the guy flat.
I'm like, I don't understand this whole thing.
I don't understand why he's doing that.
I don't understand why it freaks you out so much.
It's like, I don't...
The whole thing, but now I understand why it freaks them out.
joe rogan
I get the freaking out.
I still don't get why they do it, but I think it has something to do with someone traumatizing you when you're young.
jimmy dore
Yeah.
It's got to be humiliation, something you're addicted to, that kind of...
There's lots of people like that.
joe rogan
Yeah, well, how about guys who are addicted to, they hire women to gag them and shit on them and kick them in the balls and sometimes like really powerful men.
jimmy dore
And hurt them.
joe rogan
Yeah, yeah.
jimmy dore
Like hurt them.
joe rogan
Stomp their nuts.
jimmy dore
Like stomp on their nuts with a stiletto and then it starts bleeding.
How is that fun?
How is that, what is that?
joe rogan
I don't know.
jimmy dore
That is such a- Broken people.
That is broke.
So down a rabbit hole of humility.
I mean, I was hit a lot.
I went to Catholic.
I got all the guilt and hitting and somehow I managed to avoid that kind of shit.
joe rogan
I think that is- Not that I don't have weird shit, but- That's some mommy shit and the whole pantyhose and beating you and kicking you in the balls.
It's like, There's obviously a spectrum of pathologies that people can develop in their life.
And there's probably a lot of mental illness involved in there and violence and abuse.
But apparently there's a woman that I talked to who's a dominatrix.
And she was telling me and Jim Norton.
Yeah, I know Jim.
He loves dominatrix.
And she was saying most of her clients are like these wealthy CEOs, and they run these companies, and they're the fucking man, and when they walk in, oh, Mr. Wilson's here.
Hello, Mr. Wilson, can I get you a cup of coffee?
And everyone's kissing their ass, and they want someone to shit on them, like literally shit on them.
They want someone to tie them up, and she would say that those are the guys.
jimmy dore
Why is that, though?
joe rogan
I guess it's just...
jimmy dore
So every powerful guy wants to feel a release of their power?
unidentified
No.
joe rogan
Well, that's why when the...
jimmy dore
John Wayne wanted to be shit on?
I don't get it.
joe rogan
Maybe.
The Steele dossier, right?
When they were talking about Trump getting peed on and all that stuff, or peeing on them.
That's why it made sense.
It's like, well, of course.
Of course.
Not that it's real.
Not that it made sense that it's real.
But that would be a story that you would kind of expect from a super powerful guy who had a weird kink.
Super powerful guys with weird kinks, they usually want to get pegged, right?
They want to get pissed on.
unidentified
Pegged?
joe rogan
Pegged is the best.
That's one of the best things.
Because you can say pegged on national TV right now.
jimmy dore
Yes!
joe rogan
You can still say it.
jimmy dore
They're pegged.
joe rogan
No one can stop you.
Right?
Pegged is not like...
jimmy dore
It's not in the dictionary, I don't think.
joe rogan
Right.
If you say buttfucked with a dildo, people go, Hey!
But you shouldn't even say that because it's too wordy.
Economy of words.
Pegged fits better.
And it's got a P and a G. Pegged.
jimmy dore
How do you just not start laughing when she starts pegging you?
joe rogan
I don't know.
jimmy dore
How do you just not start laughing?
joe rogan
You might be really into it.
You gotta be.
unidentified
Oh yes, I'm a bad boy!
I don't get it.
jimmy dore
What do the women get out of it?
joe rogan
They get to dominate you and fucking humiliate you.
Yeah, I knew a guy and this girl said that she would fuck him if he let her peg him.
And he wouldn't do it.
jimmy dore
Oh, really?
joe rogan
And we were calling him gay.
jimmy dore
She wanted to do it.
joe rogan
Yeah.
Well, she said...
She goes, I'll let you fuck you.
She goes, I'll let you fuck me, but I want to fuck you in the ass with a dildo.
jimmy dore
How pretty was she?
joe rogan
She's pretty hot.
And all my friends called him gay.
unidentified
Well...
joe rogan
Bro, you're gay.
You should have just fucked her and let her take you in the ass.
jimmy dore
You won't let someone fuck you in the ass.
You're gay.
joe rogan
And my friend, it was funny.
He was like, it's not even a real dick, bro.
unidentified
Ha ha ha ha ha ha ha!
Ha ha ha ha ha ha!
jimmy dore
There's no win there for this guy.
joe rogan
Yeah, you're like, look, she's hot, man.
She probably doesn't want to fuck you, but she's willing to do it if you're willing to do something for her.
She probably always wanted to peg a guy.
jimmy dore
You got to make some sacrifices.
unidentified
Yes!
jimmy dore
It's like your joke about the female version of who wants to give you a job in Hollywood movie.
joe rogan
Oh, Harvina Weinstein?
jimmy dore
Yeah.
It sounds like that.
joe rogan
If Harvina Weinstein came to my son with a solid contract, I'd be like, dude, you're going to be Batman.
unidentified
Exactly.
joe rogan
That's true.
We were talking about that last night with R. Kelly.
The R. Kelly story is horrific, right?
He's having sex with 15, 16-year-old girls.
But imagine if J-Lo had a bunch of 15 and 16-year-old boys locked up in a house somewhere in Miami.
She's making them all eat her ass and videotaping them.
We would be laughing.
We'd be, it's so funny.
It's so different.
jimmy dore
It is a different thing.
joe rogan
Men and women are different.
They're a different thing.
And this idea that we're not different is so stupid.
We're not math.
Right.
We're very different.
unidentified
Right.
joe rogan
Yeah, but we're in denial of that because we work in these environments where men and women are side by side, 40 hours a week, and everybody's under a human resources fucking tight grip of behavior, and so everybody has to act weird, and then men don't want their women mad at them, so they have to pretend that, yeah, these guys are assholes.
These guys are total pig.
unidentified
Yeah.
joe rogan
As a male feminist, I find that atrocious.
You know who's not a male feminist?
You know who you never find that's a male feminist?
Gay guys.
Because they're not trying to fuck you.
Okay?
So they don't have to play some stupid game.
They care about women more than they care about anything.
And women's equality is the most important thing.
No, they're trying to suck dick and butt fuck dudes.
They're having a good time.
That's what they do.
They're having a fun time with other gay guys.
They don't want you to be victimized, but they're not going to go out of their way as a male ally.
That's all guys trying to fuck you.
100%.
It is 100% sneaky guys who can't figure out any other way to fuck.
jimmy dore
That they pretend to be female allies or feminists?
joe rogan
Yeah, male feminists.
You can just be a nice person who's got good values and ethics and you want equality for all.
But the idea that you're a male feminist, you come out, I'm a male feminist.
Just saying those words out of your fucking mouth.
You're a sneaky fuck.
I know what you're doing.
jimmy dore
You're sneaky.
joe rogan
You're a gender traitor.
jimmy dore
So you're telling me...
That guys who say, I always thought feminism was just about treating women equally.
joe rogan
That's because you're talking to too many liberals.
jimmy dore
What is it about?
joe rogan
Well, it is about treating people equally if you feel that it's about treating people equally.
But when you hear a man say that he's a male feminist, you're going so out on a limb.
You're not just saying, I'm all about treating people equally.
You're labeling yourself.
And you're labeling yourself in this sort of submissive...
Sort of, you're giving in to this cultural wave.
jimmy dore
So let me just, can you, what is the definition of feminism?
Is that okay if I can ask?
joe rogan
Who the fuck knows?
jimmy dore
Right?
I mean, he's gonna look it up, right?
I can ask Suri.
I bet you she knows.
joe rogan
Yeah, ask Suri.
jimmy dore
Okay, ready?
joe rogan
We gotta end this soon, though.
jimmy dore
I know.
Hey, Suri, what's the definition of feminism?
joe rogan
Advocacy of women's rights on the basis of equality of the sexes.
Boy, that's an open-ended statement right there.
Equality of the sexes how?
Weightlifting?
Making babies?
jimmy dore
There's no equality.
The advocacy of women's rights based on the equality of sexes.
joe rogan
That is, of the sexes.
jimmy dore
Well, I think you're equal, but you can be equal, but different.
joe rogan
Well, we're not math, right?
unidentified
Right.
joe rogan
We certainly should have equal rights.
We certainly should have just equal, the way people treat each other.
Just...
Equal morals and ethics.
Another definition of feminine?
The theory of political, economic, social equality of the sexes.
Organized activity on behalf of women's rights and interests.
jimmy dore
I mean, that sounds like shit that you would agree with, Joe.
joe rogan
Well, organized activity on behind...
This is going to take too long.
jimmy dore
Okay.
joe rogan
Unfortunately, because it's 3 o'clock.
jimmy dore
Okay.
joe rogan
But yeah, I agree with most of those things.
What I don't agree with is someone labeling themselves that way that's a man.
Because everyone that I've ever met is a little weasel.
I always say, show me a male feminist that can pick up heavy things and run fast.
They don't exist.
They don't exist.
jimmy dore
You would think George Clooney calls himself a feminist?
joe rogan
Does he?
jimmy dore
I don't know.
unidentified
Does he have to?
joe rogan
Probably has to.
You think he gets pegged?
jimmy dore
Yes.
But I think it's Brad Pitt.
joe rogan
I like how you look, Jesus Christ, like, yeah, I'm going in.
Jimmy, I love you.
We ought to do this more often.
jimmy dore
Yes, I would love to.
joe rogan
Can we do this more often?
jimmy dore
It's always great to talk with you.
joe rogan
It's always great to talk to you, too.
Tell everybody how to get to your show, all your social media shit, everything.
jimmy dore
JimmyDoreComedy.com.
We're on tour.
We're going to be in Tempe, Miami, all over the place.
Go to JimmyDoreComedy.com and you'll see everything.
joe rogan
Always appreciate it, brother.
Thank you so much.
jimmy dore
Thank you.
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