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Jan. 10, 2020 - The Joe Rogan Experience
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Joe Rogan Experience - Fight Companion - January 9, 2020
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brendan schaub
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bryan callen
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eddie bravo
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joe rogan
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unidentified
Yee-haw!
joe rogan
Happy New Year, friends.
eddie bravo
Happy New Year.
Oh, shit.
brendan schaub
The boys!
joe rogan
Good to see you.
Brian Count is allegedly on the way.
We've got all kinds of libations here.
And what the fuck were we just talking about?
I said, save it.
I said, don't say it.
eddie bravo
No, or two.
brendan schaub
Bodies.
What do they do with the bodies?
unidentified
Before that, though.
joe rogan
There was something before that.
brendan schaub
Mines?
Fields?
Sides of Paris?
joe rogan
No, it was even before that.
brendan schaub
Oh, meat carnivore diet.
joe rogan
Oh, okay.
Maybe it's that.
Yeah, so I'm 10 days in, I think.
Something like that.
Today's the 9th, so I'm 11 days in.
I started a couple of days before, and I've been eating nothing but meat.
Bacon, steak, elk meat, a lot of extra fat.
If I eat the elk meat, I eat a lot of bacon.
brendan schaub
How's that cholesterol, son?
joe rogan
I don't know.
I got my blood work done last Monday.
I'll get the results back soon, and then I'm going to do it again at the end of the month.
But I've already lost seven pounds.
brendan schaub
You feel good?
joe rogan
Dude, I feel slim.
brendan schaub
You look good.
When he came in, I was like, yeah, he's looking tight.
Boy's thick.
joe rogan
I lost my belly.
I had a gut.
I was getting a gut.
This is where I get fat instantly, right here.
It goes right here, and then it starts pushing out.
eddie bravo
I think all dudes do, right?
joe rogan
I don't know.
Some people get in their face.
I get in my face too.
I feel it in my face when I'm washing my face.
My face feels smart.
unidentified
Oh, totally.
brendan schaub
I get in both.
joe rogan
Yeah.
But that's where you feel your face.
You're like, damn, my face feels smart.
You know the shape of your face.
You wash your face every day.
So you get in there and you're like, oh, this is like less face.
brendan schaub
Also, a fat face is a bummer.
joe rogan
It's a bummer.
eddie bravo
Yeah, I'm fatter than I've been ever.
I'm like 190 right now.
unidentified
Jesus.
Yeah.
joe rogan
But here's the thing that's good about it.
I'll tell you what's bad about it first.
Diarrhea is rough.
And eating only steak gets boring.
brendan schaub
I like diarrhea.
joe rogan
But the kind of diarrhea that I'm talking about is confusing.
brendan schaub
Explosive.
joe rogan
It's like you've got to run.
You do not trust your butthole.
It's not telling you until the fire is at the door.
It's not seeing the fire in the horizon and warning you to get to the bathroom.
It's like the fire is making your doorknob hot.
unidentified
It's cold.
eddie bravo
What if you're starving, you're far from home, and there's a Burger King and that's it?
There's a Burger King for...
joe rogan
I'll just order four Whoppers, and then I'll take the meat out of them, and I'll just eat the meat.
brendan schaub
Gangster.
eddie bravo
That's it.
joe rogan
Yeah.
I'm going to do it for the whole month.
I had an olive.
I guess I cheated a little.
I had an olive.
brendan schaub
Fuck, dude.
unidentified
Yeah.
joe rogan
You know, I've had a glass of wine here and there, and I guess that's, you know, but that's just drinking things.
brendan schaub
Why'd you decide to do it?
joe rogan
I want to see what's up.
Because I know a lot of people that I respect that have tried, like Jordan Peterson in particular, that guy's a fucking genius.
And when he's telling me what a massive impact it's had on him cognitively, he said that intellectually he's at his prime, he said all of his immune system, autoimmune issues went away, and that's, vitiligo's an autoimmune issue.
So I'm seeing what happens with that, too.
But that isn't really spreading any.
But with him, he was having gum issues, receding gums.
That went away.
His gums actually came back.
brendan schaub
Wasn't his daughter sick, too?
That's why they started it?
joe rogan
She's got serious arthritis, like really bad.
brendan schaub
But it helped it, right?
joe rogan
See, this is what it is.
It's an elimination diet.
So instead of your diet breaking down a bunch of different things, it's just breaking down one thing.
And this one thing that human beings have been eating since the beginning of time.
Like this idea that human beings are herbivores is pretty much nonsense.
One of the main reasons why we became what we are.
They think is because we started eating meat.
We started getting better access to protein from cooking it because we figured out how to harness fire.
And then through hunting, we started getting more devious and started thinking and having better critical skills and then eating mushrooms.
They think all those things, but that's just the mechanics.
brendan schaub
Are you taking supplements though?
joe rogan
Oh yeah, yeah, yeah.
brendan schaub
Yeah, because you have to, right?
You're not getting every...
joe rogan
No, I wouldn't think you would.
eddie bravo
You think you have any fans that are vegan?
joe rogan
Hell yeah.
eddie bravo
You do?
joe rogan
I meet him all the time.
Yeah.
eddie bravo
Because I have a couple vegan students that, man, one said, I don't listen to Jerry no more.
brendan schaub
I hate her.
eddie bravo
Because he talks too much about meat.
And he's like, full-blown vegan.
joe rogan
I talk too much about meat.
That's your trigger?
eddie bravo
Yeah.
joe rogan
That's your trigger?
eddie bravo
That's a 95 to 97. It's not Einstein.
joe rogan
No, I love Einstein.
eddie bravo
It's Mexican.
joe rogan
Dude, 95 to 97% of the population of the planet Earth eats meat.
This is what vegans are.
It's very loud and very vocal.
But they want to make it look like there's this massive movement.
I don't know what your body feels like when you eat things.
Everybody's body is different.
Everybody's body reacts to nutrients differently.
brendan schaub
Except for processed foods.
We can all agree that's not good for anybody.
joe rogan
Yeah, processed foods and sugar are all bad for everybody.
The reason why people are so fucking fat, the reason why everyone's so fat is carbohydrates and fat and sugar and all of it mixed up together and massive portions and sedentary lifestyle.
There's a bunch of factors.
So I've killed a bunch of those factors, right?
I killed a sedentary lifestyle.
I exercise a lot.
And then I killed most of the sugar, most of the bullshit.
And then...
Before I went on this diet, I had gotten off the rails a little bit.
Too many carbs.
Too much pasta.
I was eating like fucking subs.
brendan schaub
Yeah, I fell off hard myself.
joe rogan
You ever go to Dan's Super Subs?
brendan schaub
No.
joe rogan
Oh, son.
Right up there in Ventura.
brendan schaub
Oh, really?
unidentified
Oh, son.
brendan schaub
Oh, hell yeah.
joe rogan
Oh, you gotta get the giant pastrami.
The giant pastrami.
Holy shit, is it good.
And it's all bread and Fatty pastrami.
Look, man, that's a lot of calories.
You could have run some Cam Haines-type miles to burn off that shit.
So all the different things that could fuck with your health and all the different things, what makes you feel good and what makes you feel bad, depending upon your biology, your lifestyle, I'm experimenting.
So this is my experiment for the month.
Just meat for the month.
So far, this is the most amazing thing.
Energy levels like this.
Straight.
There's no fluctuations.
brendan schaub
That's surprising.
Because of the carbs, insulin.
joe rogan
There's no carbs.
There's no carbs.
I'm not having any carbs.
brendan schaub
Yeah, I'm saying before, you were probably eating carbs.
There's some form of carb?
unidentified
Yeah, for sure.
brendan schaub
So your insulin was spiking in your days like this.
joe rogan
Dude, I would love pasta.
It's so bad.
I would make like elk sausage in a big bowl of spaghetti.
It's so good.
brendan schaub
That sounds nice.
joe rogan
It's so good.
In the moment.
But afterwards, the amount of time that it feels good versus the amount of time it doesn't feel good is so massive.
brendan schaub
Oh, I hate myself afterwards.
I hate myself.
joe rogan
But the amount of time it feels good is like five minutes.
brendan schaub
But goddamn, that's a good five.
joe rogan
It's a good five.
unidentified
It's a great five.
joe rogan
It's a tight five.
It fucks with your whole deck.
It's so nice.
Think of it this way.
How often would you want to get laid if every time you got laid you gained 20 pounds?
You'd be like, every time I'm getting laid, I just keep getting fat.
eddie bravo
Once a month, then.
joe rogan
Once a month.
eddie bravo
Yeah.
joe rogan
Just ride it out.
brendan schaub
I'd have to see it.
joe rogan
At the end of the month, drop that weight down again, start looking fresh, get laid.
eddie bravo
Jerking off?
Do you gain like five pounds?
joe rogan
No, you don't gain anything jerking off.
brendan schaub
I would have to see her.
Your boy might get fat if she's bad enough.
unidentified
If she's willing to fuck you while you're fat, too.
joe rogan
That's a special girl.
Special girl doesn't get turned off at all by your big fat gut.
brendan schaub
Doesn't give a fuck.
joe rogan
She doesn't care if you gain that weight.
brendan schaub
They're out there.
Chubby chases, bro.
joe rogan
So, this is obviously the Goldilocks period.
You know, like, it's...
It's a honeymoon, right?
It just started.
brendan schaub
And you're into it?
joe rogan
I don't know.
I don't know what this is.
I don't know if I'm going to keep doing it.
brendan schaub
Usually about 13 days in, that's where people break.
We're like, fuck this, dude.
Or, I'm not feeling great.
joe rogan
It was really boring about five days in.
But like I said, was today the 9th?
So today's the 11th day in.
Today was no problem.
I know what I'm doing.
brendan schaub
My biggest issue I put on weight, especially in December, was the road.
The road will do it.
Because wherever I go, Philly, it's cheesesteaks, or New York, it's pizza.
It's just, you know, it's got to be more disciplined.
It's late, too, because, you know, you get done at 1, 2 a.m.
unidentified
Yep.
joe rogan
Yep.
I got to figure it out.
Yeah.
People did eat like this, though.
There's human beings that have eaten like this for long periods of time.
Like, the idea that they didn't is crazy.
Like, Inuits eat like this.
Native Americans and Comanches ate like this.
Comanches barely ate anything other than buffalo.
brendan schaub
Have you ever seen a Comanche and be like, God damn, why don't it look like that?
joe rogan
Well, they're all dead, Brendan.
brendan schaub
That's what I'm saying, dude.
joe rogan
Yeah, but that's because Americans have guns.
eddie bravo
They were probably shredded as fuck.
joe rogan
Are you kidding me?
eddie bravo
Apaches?
brendan schaub
Well, there's a difference between shredded and malnourished, Eddie.
joe rogan
Well, some of them were giant.
eddie bravo
Come on, man.
joe rogan
It was like...
Some of them were...
The Comanches weren't necessarily malnourished.
I mean, in occasional bouts of famine, they were.
But for the most part, they were following the buffalo.
brendan schaub
Every caveman was Tread City, though.
You know what I'm saying?
unidentified
Maybe.
brendan schaub
Like, there's no fat cavemen.
There's no fat Indians.
joe rogan
Right, right.
They didn't have a chance to get fat.
brendan schaub
When they got older.
joe rogan
Once the settlers moved in, though, and they started living on reservations and getting white man food, they all got fat.
I'm reading this book about it now.
They didn't know what to do with flour, so they would just try to eat it.
They didn't know how to cook it, so they would just try to eat it.
They were fucking starving when the white men took over and pushed a Navajo into reservations.
brendan schaub
And we sneezed on them and took out all of them.
joe rogan
Bro, 90% of them, dead.
brendan schaub
Ha-choo!
Dead.
joe rogan
Yeah.
I'm reading this account.
It's horrific.
They set up this reservation and everybody got syphilis.
Everybody.
Everybody's banging everybody and they all got syphilis and people's hair is falling out.
They have ulcers all over their body and people are going crazy and dying.
Fuck, man.
brendan schaub
They can solve syphilis now, right?
joe rogan
Today, yeah.
brendan schaub
You're all good now.
Like Al Capone died of syphilis.
joe rogan
All you anti-vaccination motherfuckers, you need to pay attention to syphilis, polio.
There's a syphilis vaccine?
Smallpox, gotta be, right?
brendan schaub
Not for kids.
joe rogan
There's a hep C. It's made for kids.
unidentified
What are you talking about?
joe rogan
What is that?
HPV? HPV, yeah.
They have a vaccination for that now?
They have a vaccination for everything now.
Yeah, it can be a problem.
Dude, back then, living, that's only 150 years ago, living those days, catching diseases, they didn't even know what it was.
People would just start dying.
Game over.
brendan schaub
Black plague?
No idea.
See ya.
eddie bravo
Like, who knows how much of all that shit is a career.
You know, history's just so full of deception.
What if, like, jealous white people would just say...
joe rogan
He's saying hell yeah because you're getting into conspiracies.
brendan schaub
I love what he does.
eddie bravo
This is just off the top of my head.
This is the top of...
Now, what if all that shit...
All the Indians had syphilis.
We're like jealous white dudes.
joe rogan
Not the Indians.
Everybody.
The soldiers had syphilis.
Everyone had syphilis.
Okay.
You know what I'm saying, right?
eddie bravo
Indians got syphilis.
You don't want to fuck them.
Meanwhile, the white chicks wanted to fuck the Indians.
They're like, let's go fuck the Indians.
joe rogan
It's a slow story of a disastrous idea by this General Carlton guy who wanted these guys to move into this area.
He wanted to move off the reservations to New Mexico, and they had this area set aside for them.
But they cut down all the trees for firewood.
They started running out of food.
Too many people were coming in.
They took away all their guns, and the Comanches found them, so the Comanches were attacking the Navajo.
brendan schaub
Goddamn.
joe rogan
Dude, it's horrific.
Reading this, even though it happened 150 years ago, my hands are sweating.
I'm like, these people are fucked.
They're surrounded by thousands of hostile Indians.
They're just kidnapping their kids, raping their women, killing people, taking away all their horses.
And they're like a sitting duck on this reservation.
Dude, the shit people had to go through just 150 years ago.
It's horrific.
But without it, you wouldn't be able to just fly into Albuquerque and go to Jackson's.
brendan schaub
True.
joe rogan
Native Americans trying to kill you everywhere.
eddie bravo
Or fly into Jeffrey Epstein's ranch in Albuquerque.
brendan schaub
Do you have a ranch there?
eddie bravo
Not only does he have a ranch there, but he's got a mile away, he actually owns a Western world.
It's like Westworld.
joe rogan
Dude, 60 Minutes?
eddie bravo
The elites, that's where they hang out.
Jeffrey Epstein's Western Town.
brendan schaub
In Albuquerque?
eddie bravo
In Albuquerque.
joe rogan
60 Minutes had a piece about how the suicide is fake.
60 minutes.
brendan schaub
Did you see in his little cell there's like 10 different freaking outfit jumpsuits?
There's a cord.
There's a pen.
It's nuts.
And his brother's the one who hired this outside lawyer.
And the lawyer's like, I know it looks like I'm here to be like, oh no.
I'm telling you, look at all this stuff.
Here's the evidence.
joe rogan
Well, the Michael Baden guy, that guy from the HBO autopsy series, that guy has done thousands of autopsies.
And he's a real expert.
He's like, I've never seen anyone...
Who hung themselves with injuries like this.
brendan schaub
Especially where the mark's at.
eddie bravo
Who knows if that's all just a distraction to get people arguing.
Make it so obvious that it wasn't a suicide.
It's so obvious.
Let's release it.
Make it so obvious.
Meanwhile, he's still alive and everyone's trying to figure out how he died.
And all they care about is that he's dead.
You think he's alive?
joe rogan
He's always playing that 3D chess, son.
brendan schaub
He's one step ahead of us, bro.
joe rogan
That's why he's so good at jiu-jitsu.
eddie bravo
Why would they have, why would they be pushing on, there's virtually a media blackout on it for the longest time, but they gotta talk about something, because the longer the mainstream media doesn't talk about it, the more obvious.
It's so obvious it looks and it's waking everybody up.
You know how many people who are super anti-conspiracy theorists are all into Epstein now.
It's like when 9-11 happened, that woke up a lot of people.
9-11 woke people up.
A lot of people say, well, it started with 9-11.
A lot of people are going to say it started with Jeffrey Epstein because it's so obvious.
brendan schaub
Epstein, even my dad's like, what are we doing?
joe rogan
Michael Shermer.
Michael Shermer's calling it a conspiracy.
eddie bravo
Everybody.
People that hate conspiracy theorists are all into it.
joe rogan
Yeah, Michael Shermer.
eddie bravo
I'm so balls deep.
There's a guy on YouTube who every day he puts out, all he does is, he's written books on gangsters and all that.
Every day he puts out an Epstein video, an update, and he just goes deeper and deeper and deeper.
His name is Sean Atwood.
brendan schaub
What's the update every day, though?
eddie bravo
Dude.
It would take me two hours to go into...
It's really all about Ghislaine Maxwell's father.
He was the one who was originally doing what Epstein was doing.
Epstein started banging Ghislaine.
She takes him.
She goes, you know what?
You're going to take over the family business.
The family business is not just blackmailing the elite.
That's part of it.
brendan schaub
A big part of it, right?
eddie bravo
A big part of it.
Dude, her father.
He's the one.
Robert Maxwell.
That guy was a...
Dude, he worked...
brendan schaub
I love this shit.
eddie bravo
I don't know.
I'm afraid to talk about this shit, dude.
I don't know.
unidentified
He's dead.
eddie bravo
Listen to Sean Atwood.
joe rogan
Okay, we'll have people go to that guy's page.
eddie bravo
It's incredible how deep it is.
brendan schaub
It's the first conspiracy.
joe rogan
It's the first conspiracy in modern times where everyone is like, no way.
eddie bravo
Ah, JFK. He's so deep.
joe rogan
No, no.
JFK, there's still people to this day that think that Lee Harvey Oswald killed JFK. A lot of them.
Including people that have written like...
What is that guy's name who wrote Case Closed?
unidentified
William...
joe rogan
Whatever.
There's been a lot of credible people that think that Oswald acted alone.
I don't think so.
brendan schaub
That's so crazy.
joe rogan
I don't think so.
eddie bravo
That's ridiculous.
That's like Epstein again.
This ain't the first Epstein.
They happen all the time.
brendan schaub
No one's defending it.
No one's coming out defending it.
The government's just silent.
eddie bravo
I think there's a good chance that he's alive.
brendan schaub
That's crazy.
eddie bravo
I think they're just distracting everybody.
Oh, it wasn't a suicide?
joe rogan
I want him to be alive.
Because it would make this even more fun.
brendan schaub
If we're in Europe, anything's possible.
eddie bravo
It's already crazy as fuck.
The amount of deception that's shoved down our throats, it's obvious now.
It's all out in the open.
So any plausible theory, you can't laugh at.
joe rogan
He could easily be alive.
He could easily be alive.
Right now, with bandages all over his face, watching TV from the hospital.
unidentified
They did full facial reconstruction surgery.
joe rogan
It was the worst shit.
eddie bravo
Why did they need to show 9,000 jumpsuits and shit?
They're making it so obvious.
joe rogan
How did those jumpsuits get in there?
eddie bravo
Dude, it's so obvious.
brendan schaub
It's obvious.
eddie bravo
It's too obvious.
joe rogan
It's the most obvious one of all time.
Look at all those jumpsuits.
eddie bravo
Come on, man.
How about 2020 showed his dead body on TV? The craziest thing, the craziest thing besides all that, the craziest thing is like, where's the video footage?
Oh, the cameras weren't working.
That's the craziest shit ever.
joe rogan
Did you not see the new video footage?
The new video footage was accidentally erased?
brendan schaub
That's insane.
joe rogan
The first video footage.
eddie bravo
They're doing that on purpose.
joe rogan
Video from Jeffrey Lee Epstein's suicide attempt is gone.
Jail officials inadvertently preserved footage from wrong floor.
unidentified
Hey, Governor, if you're going to kill someone, do better, though.
eddie bravo
If you were part of this network of elite people, right?
He definitely has a lot of power, right?
Wouldn't you think it would be a good idea to all get together and say, listen, every now and then some dude's going to, we're going to have to sacrifice one of you guys and just fake your death and you're going to have to go to one of the islands in Japan.
They probably have so many spots set up.
Wouldn't it be smart to set up some spots in the Greek islands or somewhere off the coast of Norway, Greenland?
Who knows what's in Greenland?
They could have all these cities.
All these people, they die, but you never see their bodies.
People used to fake their deaths all the time back in the 30s and 40s.
joe rogan
It'd be way easier to just kill Epstein.
brendan schaub
Way easier.
Especially when he's in the cell.
eddie bravo
You don't think he has a kill switch?
You don't think that dude did?
joe rogan
I think he probably does.
eddie bravo
You know, dude, man, I wish I could tell you all this shit.
joe rogan
That's why Jussain Maxwell's alive.
You can't tell us?
You wish you could?
eddie bravo
It's dark, dude.
I like going dark, Eddie.
I'll tell you guys about this app, but Sean Atwood, that guy, holy shit.
He's dug in so deep, like the neighbor, the property that's right next to the one in Manhattan that Les Wexner gave him for zero dollars for.
joe rogan
Hey, man, that's a nice person.
brendan schaub
It's a good friend.
unidentified
Nice friend.
joe rogan
Gives you a $70 million house.
eddie bravo
You know what?
People always jump on that, but that's not that crazy because back in the 80s, apparently, like Sean Atwood saying, that's not that crazy because people used to do that all the time to save on taxes, so that ain't a big deal.
Maybe Epstein did pay him whatever it was worth.
They would often do that and just say it's zero.
joe rogan
It's not the craziest thing.
eddie bravo
It's not the craziest thing.
The property next to that mansion, the history of that shit, damn, I wish we could go over that, man.
It's crazy.
Epstein has been involved in intelligence for a very long time.
Very long time.
As long as the Iran-Contra...
A scandal.
Remember that?
A lot of drugs coming in, helping.
It's like all this illegal black ops.
George Sr. was the main patron.
Epstein was one of the workers that he was in.
brendan schaub
His girl's in hiding, right, Eddie?
Because they said she was a CIA informant.
She's like hiding.
Who?
eddie bravo
She was the main one.
brendan schaub
Yeah.
eddie bravo
She brought Epstein into the operation.
Her father was...
Epstein took over for her father, Robert Maxwell.
That's what's going on.
She's more powerful than Epstein.
brendan schaub
And they can't find her now.
eddie bravo
They won't touch her.
They're not going to touch her.
bryan callen
You don't think she has a kill switch?
joe rogan
I guarantee you she's in touch with people.
It only makes sense.
eddie bravo
Her father was the master of blackmailing people.
That's what he did.
brendan schaub
Just give me an idea what that place was next door.
eddie bravo
It's just when you go through the owners like there's like there's so see the thing what's going on now is the the biggest phenomena that's going on right now is with the internet the internet is like backfiring and it's boomeranging back at the people it wasn't the internet was intended to control us and Surveil us and now the internet was intended for scientists to share information at universities universities That's your opinion.
joe rogan
But that's why they invented it.
So that they didn't have to call each other and send packages in the mail.
eddie bravo
No.
joe rogan
No?
brendan schaub
That could be one of the reasons.
eddie bravo
The internet was...
joe rogan
The people that invented the internet.
Why'd they invent it?
eddie bravo
It was all funded by the CIA. It was all a way to keep...
It's always about the New World Order.
It's always about the easiest way to control us.
That's all.
unidentified
So, okay, there's this software.
eddie bravo
Robert Maxwell, Ghislaine's father, one of his jobs...
Man, I don't even know why I should talk about this shit.
I'm not going to talk about it.
joe rogan
I don't want to talk about it.
I was reading something that I'm writing this bit about a real thing that happened with the CIA in the 1950s.
It's called Operation Midnight Climax.
MKUltra, Eddie knows what that is.
Mind control experiments from the CIA. They had 6% of the CIA's budget, and there was no oversight.
They could spend it on whatever they wanted.
And what they were doing was just dosing the fuck out of people with LSD. They dosed this one guy 77 days in a row, and they ran out of people that were willing to do it.
A lot of times it was college students.
That's how they toasted the Unabomber.
brendan schaub
That's where Manson came from, too.
joe rogan
Well, a lot of these people, they cooked their brain with acid.
Well, they did that with...
They ran out of people, so they started opening up brothels.
So they opened up whorehouses, and they called it Operation Midnight Climax.
So they would hire hookers, and the hookers would dose these guys up.
They'd give them a drink that was filled with acid.
brendan schaub
And then fuck them?
joe rogan
And then fuck them on film.
eddie bravo
How much did they charge?
brendan schaub
What a great gig.
joe rogan
What a great gig.
eddie bravo
LSD and sex?
joe rogan
And so they would film it through like two-way glass.
Wow.
Yeah.
And so they're sitting there.
Their whole budget was being spent on dosing guys and watching guys fuck.
brendan schaub
Fantastic.
joe rogan
It's hilarious.
USA. I mean, they did it for a lot.
CIA chief deplores CIA brothels.
What year is this?
unidentified
That looks like 1952. 1977, San Francisco.
joe rogan
But by that time, they've been doing it for more than 20 years.
brendan schaub
I was reading a book on this stuff, and when they were dosing everyone, the LSD and acid on stuff, in Haight-Ashbury in San Francisco, that's where Manson came out of.
The whole family came out of there, from all the LSD with the CIA and stuff.
joe rogan
Okay, so it ended 12 years ago.
It ended 12 years ago.
eddie bravo
You've been studying.
brendan schaub
I'm telling you, bro.
joe rogan
They're all past history, Turner said, in San Francisco, the CIA. So the CIA had said, that was terrible, and that's past history.
We don't do that anymore.
It's been 12 years.
brendan schaub
The CIA said, why bring up bullshit?
Why bring up bullshit, man?
eddie bravo
This is just the tip of the iceberg.
We can go on for five hours with this shit.
It's almost like the CIA was created as a scapegoat.
Because the CIA ain't going to jail.
How do you put CIA in jail?
You can't.
And then the directors, they're only there temporarily.
They're in, out, everyone goes through it.
But if you find out some evil shit's going on, CIA did it.
CIA ain't going to jail.
Everyone says the CIA is nefarious.
You know, doing all this crazy shit.
joe rogan
Eddie's one step ahead of us on this.
brendan schaub
Dude, every time.
Catch us in the triangle.
eddie bravo
That's all I do, baby.
That's all I do.
joe rogan
It is all you do.
I know.
brendan schaub
It's crazy.
You would love this.
I'm reading a book now where, say, I hired two mafia guys to assassinate Castro.
It's a legit plot.
Yes, whole plot.
So interesting.
eddie bravo
There's like 635 tries on his life.
joe rogan
Yep.
Amazing.
unidentified
That dude's a beast.
eddie bravo
Something like that.
joe rogan
He died of old age.
unidentified
Yeah.
brendan schaub
Beast, right?
He even came to New York.
Yeah.
And they still couldn't do shit to him.
unidentified
Yeah.
eddie bravo
That was before they really turned on him.
Because at first, the United States was backing him.
brendan schaub
Yep.
And then JFK ain't having it.
eddie bravo
And then something happened.
They switched.
There's a lot of different theories.
Like maybe he was working for...
Like Fidel Castro was...
Yeah.
CIA fuck the United States and CIA goes okay we got to kill this motherfucker a lot a lot of times that happens people turn you know what I mean so like the Kennedy's turn something a lot because the Kennedy's come from a crime family the mob put Kennedy in their dad something happened between Robert and John was That was his attorney general.
That's who he hired.
So once they got together, something happened and made them flip.
Some people say that JFK, I don't know if it's true or not, his son died at an early age.
Just one of his kids died.
And from that point on, he decided to do the right thing and just say, fuck it.
Him and Robert knew they were going to get killed.
They would talk about it.
They knew they were going to get killed for doing what they're doing, but they're just going to go out with their boots on, you know what I mean?
That's a theory.
I don't know.
Maybe one crazy dude did it.
brendan schaub
Isn't history great, though?
To have all this stuff and go through all the different theories?
joe rogan
What's crazy with history is now we can see it.
Before, people just told it.
It wasn't until the 20th century that really people saw it.
Before that, it was just people telling stories about stuff.
eddie bravo
Who knows what's real, like from the 1700s?
joe rogan
They do their best to piece it together from multiple accounts, but it's really hard.
brendan schaub
That's the Bible, isn't it?
joe rogan
Oh, the Bible's even worse.
brendan schaub
I mean, it's a bunch of stories.
joe rogan
But not just that, a bunch of stories translated multiple times.
That's what I'm saying for my...
brendan schaub
A shitload of people.
eddie bravo
But for sure it got translated and all that shit with the Bible.
But for sure, in my heart, I believe it 100% that there is some stuff in the Bible that's the real shit.
It comes from the real shit.
It got distorted and translated and all that.
joe rogan
What do you mean by the real shit?
eddie bravo
Like it's a manual on how to live your life, right?
You know what I mean?
These are rules.
Like maybe God is the idea.
Maybe God is the, and Jesus is the frequency.
You want to get in that frequency of life?
Don't deceive anybody.
brendan schaub
Don't kill each other.
eddie bravo
Don't fuck each other up.
Then you will be in that zone.
That's what God is.
Like maybe the book is a manual.
It's got to be because there's one thing.
Like I said, I'm balls deep.
And try to find the truth.
Sometimes I'm wrong, whatever.
But a lot of guys, three different guys that I looked up to and looked and asked for information because they were so into a certain area that I wasn't into.
I'm like, tell me more, tell me more.
And they are like my mentors.
At the end, all of them, they're starting to look into the Bible.
And I remember the first guy back in 2005 when I was like full-blown, like...
You know, against religion and all that.
I would say, dude, what are you doing, dude?
You showed me the way, and now you're looking into the Bible and it goes, I know it sounds crazy, but you've got to look into it, too.
This isn't just a book with crazy fairy tales.
This is some real shit.
joe rogan
Well, what it is is a historical account of the times of the people that lived back then, as best they could tell it, translated down over thousands of years.
So there's some absolute truths in the Bible, and there's some great guides to live your life, but there's also some nonsense.
unidentified
For sure.
brendan schaub
Walking on water and all that stuff.
joe rogan
Not just that.
eddie bravo
Maybe ignore the nonsense.
joe rogan
God sicked two bears on these kids that were making fun of this dude for being bald.
eddie bravo
That's like Jack and Jill stories, for sure.
For sure.
joe rogan
But if that's in there, you have to wonder how much of any of the original stories mean it was the story.
eddie bravo
Well, if you look at the mainstream history of Catholicism, I grew up Catholic, you did too, right?
Catholic?
brendan schaub
Christian.
eddie bravo
Well, the mainstream story...
brendan schaub
Name a branch.
Lutheran?
Is that a branch?
No, what's the normal one?
eddie bravo
Protestant?
You're not nothing.
brendan schaub
Baptist, I'm nothing.
joe rogan
Presbyterian?
unidentified
No.
joe rogan
That's atheist.
brendan schaub
I'm a deities.
eddie bravo
You're agnostic, right?
brendan schaub
You're not sure.
I believe there's a God, but I don't believe in Jesus.
joe rogan
When you think about there's a God, what's the thought that comes through your head?
What are you thinking when you say, I think there's a God?
brendan schaub
I think there's a higher being.
joe rogan
A thing?
brendan schaub
I don't know.
I think there's...
The energy in our body goes somewhere.
There's something that makes us, you know, like I can feel certain things like love or intuition, stuff like that.
That has to be something, you know?
I think that goes somewhere.
I don't think there's a heaven and hell.
joe rogan
Jordan Peterson has some really good advice on that.
He said, whether or not you believe in a God, he goes, live as if God is real.
eddie bravo
I believe that.
joe rogan
I believe that.
I think if you really do have that kind of gratitude and humility that you're being watched over by a loving God, I think there's a benefit to thinking like that.
eddie bravo
It's just about doing the right thing.
It's all about how do we get the people to do the right thing.
I believe there's a God because a couple things.
When I did DMT, I thought, okay, there's way more shit to this reality, this dimension that's out there.
joe rogan
That we're not seeing all the time.
unidentified
For sure.
eddie bravo
And then the more I get into...
You know, trying to find out what we're on and what this is all about.
And then you look at the mainstream.
I think someone created what we're in.
Whatever you think this is.
brendan schaub
Thinks assimilation?
eddie bravo
I think this is something.
I don't believe in assimilation.
unidentified
Me neither.
joe rogan
Why don't you believe in assimilation?
eddie bravo
That bumps me out.
brendan schaub
When you think about your kids and shit, that bumps me out.
eddie bravo
There's no evidence.
But it could be true.
It could be, but there's...
joe rogan
Zero evidence.
But you know, really smart people don't just say, not only is there evidence, but if you look at probability theory, what was that guy's name?
That was the guy, Nick Bolstrom.
We talked about it in depth, and he said, according to probability theory, it's more likely that we're in a simulation.
unidentified
Maybe.
eddie bravo
Maybe that's true.
joe rogan
Because of the fact that simulations...
brendan schaub
But that's what I can measure.
joe rogan
Almost inevitable.
Unless we get disrupted by nature, unless we get hit with an asteroid or start a nuclear war, it's inevitable that technology reaches a point where simulation is possible.
brendan schaub
Well, if you watch Rick and Morty, that's what it is.
eddie bravo
Well, if simulation is real, then the simulation goes on forever in the space that everyone thinks there is.
joe rogan
It could be a part of...
An infinite computer program?
No, it's not that simple.
It's like...
It could be one of the facets of life.
We could be creating a simulation just through culture and society, and that simulation is literally how we enter into another dimension.
We're looking at it like it's some nonsense thing.
It's a simulation.
It could literally be how dimensions are created.
They're created by creativity and ingenuity and innovation over long periods of time with millions of people working in conjunction.
Different people figuring out processing power and coding and all these different things.
And next thing you know you've got these virtual reality places.
Like we have an Oculus out there that you can put on and you can do all these games.
It's really fun.
But there's some virtual reality places now that you go into a warehouse and you go through this whole thing.
You know, there's a place that's in Disneyland, and there's another place down the street called Sandbox, and you play games.
eddie bravo
Oh, there's an arcade.
There's a VR arcade at the Westfield Mall on Riverside that's called Parallel Universe.
brendan schaub
But don't you think if we're in a simulation, and you believe we're in a simulation, if I was not right in the head, it'd be ways there for me to commit suicide if I was just thinking this is a whole simulation.
joe rogan
Yeah, I mean, there's a lot of variables.
There's a lot of variables about why should I just do whatever I want?
It's just a simulation.
brendan schaub
It's just a simulation.
It doesn't count, does it?
joe rogan
I don't think it's that simple.
I think all the rules apply.
I think what they're trying to say is, if human beings keep going, we definitely will create a simulation.
It's just a matter of time.
So if that's the case, how do we know that we're not in one already?
And we really don't.
Every day we go to sleep, and every day we wake up, and we assume and we have faith that all that stuff that we remember is really how life went on before we were awake.
But we really don't know.
When you black out and then come back to, who the fuck knows what's transpiring?
Who knows where your consciousness goes?
Who knows where you are?
You're gone.
Eight hours seems like a second.
All of a sudden you're foggy, a couple minutes to wake up, and boom.
Where'd that time go?
Where are you?
Who are you?
You're assuming that all of the stuff that you know and all the stuff that you experience is 100% real.
brendan schaub
But what if it is real?
joe rogan
What do you mean?
If the simulation is real?
brendan schaub
No, if the simulation isn't real and we are on this earth, then you are down for it.
eddie bravo
That's possible, too.
unidentified
When it comes to simulation theory, the odds of that are probably...
joe rogan
But the passing out is a bad example.
The good example is that we are, within a hundred years, away from making something that's indiscernible from what we experience every day.
And that's inevitable.
It seems like just how people do it.
And what I'm saying is, that might literally be how your consciousness transforms into whatever next stage of existence there is.
It might be something that human beings do, like a caterpillar makes a cocoon and becomes a butterfly.
Human beings make crazy fucking technology.
And I think that's one of the reasons why we're so invested in materialism.
Everybody loves things.
They love shiny things, especially the new ones.
Oh, if you've got the newest car, it's even faster.
The newest computer has better graphics.
And as all this stuff, as we're paying for newer and better shit, it's fueling all this innovation, which is making crazier and crazier technology.
Until artificial intelligence.
Until we create something that you can't turn off.
brendan schaub
Or you download your consciousness and you just, you know, you can download it into another body.
joe rogan
That might be what a simulation is.
That might be what a simulation is.
What a simulation might be is that when we open this up with sufficient power and technology and processing power, whatever you are might go into this thing.
brendan schaub
That's a bit of a bummer though, right?
joe rogan
I don't know.
brendan schaub
When you think about it, like, let's say when you're 100 and finally technology there, you just download your consciousness into another body.
You just keep going.
It's like, man, this is it?
I don't know.
This is it?
We don't go on?
That's depressing as fuck to me.
joe rogan
It's kind of, I mean, what are we?
That's the thing.
It's like, what the fuck are we?
When we're thinking and talking, when you're thinking of yourself, like you, when you're using the word I, I am going to do this.
I'm going, what does that mean?
Like, where are you?
You're this strange being that's got a finite lifespan.
It's not really that long.
brendan schaub
Not at all.
joe rogan
I mean, Eddie and I are middle-aged motherfuckers if we're lucky.
brendan schaub
You're on the back nine.
joe rogan
We're in the back nine.
I'm almost there.
Yeah, and then you die.
So what is going on while you're alive?
It's all guesswork, man.
We don't know what this is.
And everyone is involved in the guesswork from the highest levels of government down to fucking the poorest people in the world.
Everyone's guessing.
It's all weird.
It's all real weird and it's all, we're going to die and the next generation is going to pick up and the next generation after them is going to pick up.
brendan schaub
But life is, because of technology and science, the average lifespan is going like this.
unidentified
It is.
joe rogan
But also, you have more information.
You can look at history.
You can look at how long we've been here.
The more they start, they just found another asteroid impact from 800,000 years ago.
unidentified
Jesus.
joe rogan
They knew we were hit 800,000 years ago, but now they've located the crater.
eddie bravo
We can read that in the library?
unidentified
Yes.
joe rogan
I've watched it on YouTube.
It's becoming this, you know, people are realizing, like, there's only been a short amount of time where human beings have even been human.
We've only been human for half a million years at the most.
brendan schaub
Some of that stuff bums me out, especially if you have kids, you know?
joe rogan
It's weird.
But think about it this way.
If you were a Neanderthal or a fucking Australopithecus and you were told that your species is going to go extinct, you think of all the good times you had killing muskrats and cooking them over the fire with your kids and hiding from jaguars and shit.
You think of all those good times.
We're not going to be us anymore?
No, no, no.
eddie bravo
So you think of this as a computer simulation at what point?
When did it start?
Like in the 1800s?
The 1600s?
200 AD? 5000 BC? When was the beginning of this simulation?
joe rogan
Who knows, man?
brendan schaub
We don't know.
joe rogan
There's a video game where you create your own worlds.
brendan schaub
SimCity, baby.
joe rogan
No, no, no.
More crazy.
There's a video game where you literally create a universe.
You create a planet.
You put things on it.
What is that game called again, Jamie?
What is it?
brendan schaub
No Man's Sky.
joe rogan
No Man's Sky?
Yeah.
I think that's what you're talking about.
That could be what the universe is.
I mean, the whole thing about the Big Bang.
Like, the Big Bang means that the entire universe was smaller than the head of a pin at one point in time.
You know who made that up?
No, but hold on a second.
So the universe, smaller than the head of a pin, boom, explodes, becomes everything.
Well, what started that?
Well, how do we not know that that was when somebody pressed start on a program?
eddie bravo
How do we even know if that even happened?
Like, the theory is billions of years ago, out of nothing, everything exploded.
joe rogan
What do you think happened?
eddie bravo
Well, you know who came up with it?
joe rogan
Are you becoming religious on me?
eddie bravo
You know who came up with it?
brendan schaub
Dude, if you start talking about Jesus, Eddie.
unidentified
No, no, no.
joe rogan
You know who came up with the Big Bang?
eddie bravo
You can look this up right now.
The Big Bang is a priest from the Vatican.
A priest came up with that.
There was a theory.
brendan schaub
Scientists didn't?
eddie bravo
Nope.
A priest.
joe rogan
Are you sure?
eddie bravo
A million percent.
joe rogan
So he was the first one.
eddie bravo
And I know I have a good idea why.
joe rogan
Why?
eddie bravo
That's going to take like 10 minutes.
Can I have another?
joe rogan
Yeah, please.
There's ice in that thing.
brendan schaub
You know, if we're in a simulation, you're talking about the homeless guy or the kid starving in Ethiopia.
He's like, what the fuck, dude?
The guy grinding his way out or the single mother of five working at McDonald's.
She's like, what kind of...
Who the fuck chose this?
What is going on here, man?
So I feel like only people who are higher up and people who have money say we're in a simulation.
That's the guy at McDonald's.
I bet you there's not one dude we're at McDonald's going, I think it's a simulation, dude.
joe rogan
That's true.
But that's just because when you're struggling for survival, everything is more important.
You're on the edge.
But the thing about a guy like Elon Musk, who's one of the proponents of the simulation theory, the thing about a guy like him is he's got enough resources to relax a little bit, but also he is involved in technology every day, and he's probably one of the smartest people on Earth, and he's financially stable.
So he can stop and think about things in a way where he's not overburdened by – like he has stresses for sure and obligations for sure, massive ones, three giant companies.
But what he doesn't have is survival stress.
Survival stress about being poor or being in danger.
brendan schaub
But also the level where his IQ is so high, right?
He's on a different frequency.
joe rogan
He might be too smart.
brendan schaub
There's a lot of things where when he speaks, I go, yeah, he's smart as fuck.
I don't agree with him.
eddie bravo
Once I start seeing organic matter, like body parts, and you watch it under some...
Microscope.
Yeah, and you see some computer numbers and stuff.
Then I'd be like, oh, shit.
joe rogan
What are you talking about?
eddie bravo
For me to believe that we live in a computer simulation seriously, I'd have to see evidence like that.
joe rogan
If it is a computer simulation, Eddie, that means everything that's physical you're experiencing in a simulated way.
So it could be everything.
If it's just your mind experiencing things that your mind translates as being physical sensations, Why would it have numbers?
eddie bravo
I get it, and maybe we do live in a simulation.
I just don't see any evidence of it.
brendan schaub
How about counts at 3.30, though?
joe rogan
Oh, we knew it.
I told you.
I said, we're not waiting for him.
It's four o'clock now.
Yeah, look, I'm not saying that we're in a simulation.
What I'm saying is, I think things are a lot weirder than anybody wants to admit.
brendan schaub
Or we're just overthinking it.
Or there's so much information, the internet, and there's smart people, we're just overthinking everything.
There is no simulation.
joe rogan
There's that too.
brendan schaub
Once you live your life, it's over, man.
Lights out.
joe rogan
Could be.
Case closed.
That's it.
We want to think there's something next because we want to hope that our contributions are permanent and that we're going to somehow or another come back in another life.
brendan schaub
That's where kids come into play, right?
Your seeds, stuff like that.
joe rogan
Also, the way you treat people and the things that you rub off on other people, they start to carry it on throughout their life.
eddie bravo
The one thing that's happening right now is...
We're at a point now where more people don't trust the mainstream information coming in more than ever.
And it's gotten to the point, it's snowballing, where there's an army, they're called anons, QAnons.
They're anonymous, but they're all on the same track looking for the truth.
Digging, digging, making YouTube channels.
Boom, there's all these YouTube, and they're all popping up.
They're becoming the new news, the real news.
No commercials, no bullshit motherfuckers.
brendan schaub
No advertiser and stuff.
eddie bravo
No, none of those.
I mean, look at the news these days.
Look at the news.
Look what they're saying.
But who's watching that, Eddie?
Nobody.
Over and over.
They're wrong about everything over and over.
Three years of Trump's a Russian agent.
They gave Trump the Russian.
That's the worst thing you could give a politician.
He's a Russian agent.
You can get killed for that shit.
They gave him the worst shit.
They gave him Russia, racism, rape.
They gave him all that shit.
unidentified
Nothing stuck.
eddie bravo
Nothing stuck.
But if they could do that to the president...
joe rogan
It's the first time we've ever really seen that being done to a president.
eddie bravo
Dude, if they could do that to him, they could do that to anybody.
joe rogan
But it's interesting because he's the first president ever that's made an assault on the media.
Instead of proving their integrity and being unflappable and sticking to the tightest journalistic standards, they've actually slipped.
eddie bravo
No matter what Trump does, they take the opposite stance.
joe rogan
But it's also happening at the same time.
See, one of the ways that Trump got a lot of attention when he was running for president is being outrageous.
So they would cover him.
So all these news channels that thought they were going to expose him for being a jerk Or for saying crazy things, so they were gonna cover him.
They just made him more and more popular.
So their business grew from making fun of him, from talking shit about him, from saying he's gonna be impeached, from saying he's gonna be in jail.
That was a part of their business.
And then it stayed a part of their business when he started calling them fake news.
And so now, instead of Being like at the tightest of journalistic standards, they have actually resorted to a lot of click-baity shit because now people aren't really reading regular newspapers anymore.
And they're only watching like short clips online.
brendan schaub
And now people are out.
joe rogan
And a lot of people are out.
They're out.
brendan schaub
They're like, oh, this is all bullshit.
He was right.
eddie bravo
Yeah.
brendan schaub
Even if you don't like Trump, you're like, oh, fuck.
eddie bravo
Yeah, but even if you hate Trump, think about this.
If Trump didn't win...
The person that would be president right now would have a body count.
Think about that shit.
You'd rather have a person with a body count than Trump?
Just because he's arrogant and overconfident and all that shit.
He's a badass businessman.
The economy is better than ever.
Better than ever.
Unemployment better than ever.
That's what we have a president here for.
To make our country better.
More prosperous.
And that's what he's doing.
joe rogan
Would you wear a MAGA hat?
unidentified
It's too dangerous.
Are you kidding?
eddie bravo
If I wore a MAGA hat, I'd be like looking over my...
If you wear a red hat and it says make America great again, you could get killed.
joe rogan
If you wear a red hat that says USA, they'll punch you.
brendan schaub
I used to wear one.
eddie bravo
It better have a thief.
brendan schaub
My brother goes, don't wear that hat anymore.
I go, why?
He goes, because it looks like you're just the biggest Trumps for it.
joe rogan
I go, it's a red hat.
It says USA. He goes, you can't wear it.
eddie bravo
Look how powerful the media is.
The media is so powerful that Anybody wearing a red hat that says, Make America Great Again, it can get punched.
brendan schaub
Except for Colby Covington.
joe rogan
Well, I don't know if it's the media that did that.
eddie bravo
Of course it was.
joe rogan
It's people's reaction to those hats.
brendan schaub
It's anti-Trump.
It could have been a black hat.
It could have been whatever hat.
eddie bravo
All the anti-Trump stuff comes from the media.
It all comes from the media.
joe rogan
Well, it comes from the media because of what we were talking about earlier.
It became their business to talk shit about Trump.
And they thought by doing that, they were going to sink him.
They really did.
They didn't realize how resilient he is.
The boy's gangsters.
brendan schaub
Say what you want about it.
eddie bravo
It wasn't just Trump.
Trump was recruited.
There's good people.
joe rogan
Okay, we're going to, dude.
eddie bravo
Okay.
unidentified
Dude, how about I went to that comic that I think is Comics Pizza?
eddie bravo
There's a plan.
joe rogan
How do you know this for sure?
eddie bravo
Because I'm into it every day, man.
Just follow Q. Follow Q. Q is 100%.
joe rogan
But how do you know that they're right?
eddie bravo
Because everything that's happening right now, we knew about it two years ago.
We knew about all this shit, the FISA D-class, all this shit, all the people that are going down.
We knew it.
It's still going on right now.
Q's dropping right now.
Q is Trump and the people around him.
It's an intelligence...
Dissemination program.
joe rogan
You know who believes in all that shit?
It's true.
It's true.
eddie bravo
Of course.
joe rogan
He's got a thing called Conspiracy Farm.
He's got a podcast.
eddie bravo
Q is real, dude.
Q is real.
It's 100% real.
All it is, all Q is, is they're dropping info to the people, the patriots, the people who really want the best for the country.
Not the loony left.
They don't want the best for the country.
joe rogan
What do you think the loony left wants?
eddie bravo
The loony left right now, the top of the loony left, the top of the loony left, the top of them, they're all going to go down for some shit.
It's not just Hunter Biden.
It's not just Hunter Biden.
joe rogan
It's Pelosi.
eddie bravo
They want world wars.
They want, you know what happened?
Remember 9-11?
The day before 9-11, Donald Rumsfeld makes an announcement that the Pentagon is missing $2.3 trillion.
joe rogan
Right.
eddie bravo
Guess what?
There was going to be a lot of investigations going on.
People were going to go down for that.
But guess what?
9-11 happens and no one brings it up.
So if we have a world war right now, those people won't go to prison.
What would you rather go?
You rather go to prison or world war?
joe rogan
This is your theory.
eddie bravo
This is the Q plan.
brendan schaub
This is what's going on.
joe rogan
Hold on a second.
You think Nancy Pelosi and Hillary Clinton, all these people got together and said, hey, we're going to go to jail unless we start a world war.
So let's collude and start a world war.
eddie bravo
No, no, no.
They didn't say let's start a world war.
But it's a lot more complicated than that.
But do they want a world war?
Do they want another 9-11 fight?
Fuck yeah!
Dude, you don't think Biden wants a World War III? I don't think Trump does.
joe rogan
I think Biden wants to be president.
eddie bravo
Have you seen the video of Biden at the CFR? You've seen that video of him bragging, doing quid pro quo?
joe rogan
Yes.
eddie bravo
That's what this is all about.
This is what they do.
This is what politicians do.
They go to countries and they say, listen, we're going to give you a billion dollars in aid, and you're going to kick back half of it or whatever into our foundations as donations, and then we get our money back, and then you're going to hire my son, put him on one of your energy boards, and have your taxpayers pay him $100K a month.
They've been doing that forever.
joe rogan
Of course, broke.
Trump does that too.
His daughter works in his cabinet, right?
His son-in-law works for the government.
eddie bravo
No, no, but that's not illegal.
That's not illegal.
joe rogan
Okay, but it's kind of the same thing.
eddie bravo
It's not the same thing.
joe rogan
Okay, because it's not illegal.
eddie bravo
Because it's not illegal.
joe rogan
But getting your family jobs in this sort of sneaky way is what they do.
eddie bravo
Yeah, but the fact that Biden threatened...
joe rogan
I can't do Biden talk, man.
I can't go this deep in politics, because it bores me.
unidentified
Biden?
joe rogan
All of it bores me.
eddie bravo
He's hilarious.
brendan schaub
Do you think we're going to World War III, though, with Iran?
unidentified
It's scary.
joe rogan
No, it looks like what Iran did was try to save face and just shoot some missiles in the general direction of a base.
brendan schaub
They blew up that plane, though.
eddie bravo
And they reported...
brendan schaub
That was fucked up.
joe rogan
...may or may not have been an accident.
brendan schaub
They said it was a mistake, no?
joe rogan
Well, they're speculating.
brendan schaub
What do you think?
joe rogan
They're speculating.
eddie bravo
Ukraine airline and all the...
Well, anyways, I don't know about that, but they reported...
Iran reported that they killed 30 Americans.
So Iran thinks, oh, we retaliate.
brendan schaub
No, they're saving face.
joe rogan
That's a good thing for them to say.
Exactly.
eddie bravo
No, no, exactly.
brendan schaub
That's what's going on.
eddie bravo
I'm not saying 30 people died.
joe rogan
I like what Trump...
brendan schaub
Oh, no, you're saying Iran said that to other people.
eddie bravo
They were like, it's a way to...
They both save face and there's no World War III. Yeah.
That's what's going on.
brendan schaub
That's all I want.
No war.
joe rogan
I like what Trump said today.
brendan schaub
What did he say?
joe rogan
When he gave a speech about it, that we can all live together in peace.
And that we can all prosper together.
brendan schaub
Yeah, surprisingly, he doesn't want...
Everyone goes, oh, he wants to go to war because of the impeachment.
It's a distraction.
joe rogan
I can't talk about this.
Let's talk about the UFC. Yeah, let's do it.
The idea of starting this thing...
We go deep in these...
And I feel bad.
We talk about fun things.
I feel good.
You like these.
You like stirring him up about lizard people.
brendan schaub
I find Eddie's info super interesting.
eddie bravo
Thank you.
joe rogan
You're fucking with him.
unidentified
No, I'm not.
brendan schaub
I promise.
Sometimes I am.
eddie bravo
No, no, he's slipping over.
He is.
brendan schaub
I'm telling you, I'm reading a Cy A book, yeah.
eddie bravo
On the down low, he's slipping into it.
brendan schaub
Me and Tripoli go deep into it.
eddie bravo
Epstein's going to turn everybody.
brendan schaub
I'm not that deep.
eddie bravo
But you're not married to the ball, though, right?
You're not married to the ball!
joe rogan
I'm super married to the ball.
brendan schaub
There's only certain ones I can go down.
eddie bravo
Hey, you said you weren't married to the ball.
I'm open-minded, though, brother.
unidentified
You said you were.
eddie bravo
You said you were.
Okay, you changed your mind.
joe rogan
No, I like balls, though.
Let's start with the whole idea about doing this is a 2019 breakdown.
brendan schaub
But real quick, Conor Cowboy next weekend, fellas.
joe rogan
Next weekend.
Yeah, we can start with that.
brendan schaub
Yeah, man.
joe rogan
What do you think about that?
Conor looks very good in training.
He looks very lean.
He looks big.
brendan schaub
I had Dominic Cruz on my show, the Food Truck Diary, yesterday, and he saw Conor at the training center in Vegas.
I was like, dude, his footwork, the way he moves, he's like, he has some new shit too, man.
joe rogan
Really?
brendan schaub
He was like, I don't want to get into it.
joe rogan
He's very explosive.
The thing is, if Cowboy can survive the initial onslaught, it becomes very interesting to see.
You know, I re-watched Conor and Khabib, and people always talk about Conor gassing out.
Well, one of the things that was interesting about Conor and Khabib is that the third round, he came out guns blazing.
You know, Khabib had been mauling him for the first two.
brendan schaub
Have you heard about that camp, too?
Did you hear his MacLife interview?
He started doing interviews, and he was honest.
He goes, man, for that Khabib fight, I didn't train that hard, wasn't committed.
I took the fight.
You know, it is what it is.
He's like, that's why I want a rematch.
And he says he hasn't been committed.
And with everything going on, the outside kind of chaos, I kind of buy into it, man.
eddie bravo
I've been watching some old Conor fights.
Old Conor fights are awesome.
Like from Cage Warriors?
brendan schaub
But I think you're going to get a version of that old Conor next Saturday against Cowboy.
eddie bravo
He was throwing Capoeira kicks at Cage Warriors.
brendan schaub
I don't like that it's at 170, though.
When I heard that, I went, oh, I don't like that.
joe rogan
Well, it's okay.
brendan schaub
For him.
joe rogan
But it's okay because it's basically 155 where they don't cut weight.
They're both 55ers.
Connor, obviously, has fought 70 when he fought Nate.
And, you know, Cowboy has fought 70 really successfully against big, strong guys, dangerous guys like Mike Perry and Alex Pereira.
Alex Pereira, who used to be 55 as well.
Yeah.
I think Conor is...
This is a good fight if he wants to fight 70. Because you're not fighting an Usman.
Like, he's talking about fighting Usman.
brendan schaub
I don't like that for him.
So what are you thinking, dude?
joe rogan
That might just be crazy talk.
Usman's so big, dude.
I stood next to him the other day when, you know, I go...
brendan schaub
Oh, Camaro's huge, dude.
joe rogan
I couldn't believe that just a few hours ago he had made 170. He's fucking huge, dude.
He looked like it was 195 with, like, 3% body factor.
eddie bravo
It's going to be hard to beat that motherfucker.
joe rogan
He's so tough.
eddie bravo
That's going to be hard to beat.
joe rogan
He's so tough.
Do you know he broke his fucking hand training for that fight?
I saw it in the fight.
I called it in the fight.
I'm like, he's not using his left hand.
Keep an eye on his left hand.
He switched southpaw for a little bit and was throwing right jabs.
I was like, I think there's something wrong with his left hand.
And then somewhere along the line, he starts throwing it again.
And he texted me after the fight.
He said, you called it.
He was like, bro, you sent me a video of him breaking his hand in sparring.
And then he said, I just knew I had to just throw it.
brendan schaub
Such a stud.
joe rogan
I threw it anyway.
brendan schaub
Such a stud.
joe rogan
You know that guy's knees were so fucked up that he couldn't walk on concrete?
He was training for a fight and he had to walk on grass.
He would move over to the concrete.
eddie bravo
Why did his knees hurt?
joe rogan
Because his meniscus is torn apart.
brendan schaub
He can't run.
joe rogan
His cartilage is torn apart.
brendan schaub
He can't run at all.
joe rogan
He can't run.
brendan schaub
He can only swim.
eddie bravo
That sounds like me.
brendan schaub
Dude, he can only swim.
joe rogan
He can only swim, but he does a lot of cardio and aerobics and shit.
brendan schaub
Whatever he's doing is working.
joe rogan
He's a savage.
unidentified
Savage.
joe rogan
His mind...
I think Kamaru's like 32?
Is that right?
brendan schaub
I don't think he's even that old.
Is he 31?
30?
I don't think he's 32. In his fucking style.
joe rogan
And the fact that that Kobe fight was all stand-up.
All stand-up.
And Kobe hit him with hammers!
They both hit each other, but at the end, Kamaru took over.
You know, that straight right hand that broke his jaw somewhere in the third.
unidentified
Kamaru looks great, man.
brendan schaub
Dude, he's...
joe rogan
He's one of the best of all time.
I mean, I know it's hard to say that when the guys only defended the title once, won the title against one of the best in Tyron Woodley, and then, look, Colby Covington, put away all that trash talk.
That guy is a fucking animal.
He's a stud.
brendan schaub
No, no, people want to hate on him.
3.30 my ass.
joe rogan
What time is it?
No wine, no cheese.
unidentified
What time is it?
joe rogan
It's 4.12.
bryan callen
4.12.
I came from Culver City.
joe rogan
Son of a bitch.
eddie bravo
And where's your bag of wine with cheese?
joe rogan
We have wine.
bryan callen
Well, I thought he was bringing whiskey.
joe rogan
We have whiskey.
We have wine.
There's no need to bring anything.
eddie bravo
We thought you were going to be like this.
bryan callen
I barely got here.
I would have.
joe rogan
You missed all the flat earth talk.
bryan callen
Ah, shut up.
brendan schaub
We went deep.
We missed the Epstein talk, which was really...
joe rogan
QAnon.
We missed all that.
eddie bravo
I'll tell you about the Epstein stuff, the crazy stuff.
Dude, you're going to trip when you hear the show after the show.
brendan schaub
I want to know what the next door was.
joe rogan
Shout out to Meat Eater Whiskey.
bryan callen
Hey, let me see that.
How's that wine?
brendan schaub
Where's that Buffalo Trace, son?
bryan callen
That's a 2010. That looks good.
joe rogan
This is my friend Steve Vanilla shit.
bryan callen
I've had that.
It's good stuff.
joe rogan
Oh, he has his own whiskey?
Yes, sir.
bryan callen
Yeah, but I need some red wine.
joe rogan
You can get some wine too, bitch.
bryan callen
Damn, I like it.
We're getting crazy.
brendan schaub
What's up, dog?
Coming off set?
unidentified
What's up, buddy?
bryan callen
Yeah, coming off set.
Sorry about the makeup.
Sorry about my skin being all kinds of smooth.
joe rogan
At least your hair is thick.
eddie bravo
You have makeup on now?
unidentified
A little bit.
bryan callen
Let's go.
I wiped it off with makeup.
eddie bravo
That's good.
brendan schaub
Hey, B, but do what Eddie did.
Shave your head.
But do what Eddie did.
joe rogan
Shave your head.
unidentified
I would.
bryan callen
I love it.
I used to have my head shaved.
brendan schaub
So you three dickheads can hang out.
bryan callen
I know.
I used to have my head shaved.
Now I have to.
joe rogan
It'll come to you one day when you're 52 and you're like, fucking, here's my towel.
bryan callen
He's got great hair though, Brendan.
joe rogan
Look at it, it's beautiful.
But when you get to be 52, you're like, fuck barbers and their boring ass conversations.
bryan callen
Yeah, I don't think you're ever going to lose your hair, right?
brendan schaub
My dad has a thick fucking silver fox.
bryan callen
You get older, when you get to be in your 50s, you care about comfortable shoes.
Those are more comfortable.
joe rogan
And who's nice to be around?
bryan callen
Who's nice to be around?
joe rogan
Who's nice to be around?
Who do I enjoy?
That is the number one thing in all of life.
Who's nice to be around?
Your best times, your biggest smiles, the most excitable times are all when we're having fun.
You and I, we think of all the fun times we've had our whole lives.
The most fun times is being around your friends, laughing.
eddie bravo
I was looking through some old pictures from the mid-2000s.
Shit.
Bro, it's better than anything in life.
joe rogan
Having fun with your friends.
unidentified
Laughing.
It's the best.
joe rogan
Getting baked.
Going to see movies, laughing your ass off.
We don't have meals enough, though.
No, we don't.
We should have more meals together.
bryan callen
And that's a huge tragedy.
We should be having meals together.
joe rogan
You're right.
bryan callen
And also having friends you can check in with.
Every time I see him, we check in.
brendan schaub
How about when I text you when I talk about something serious?
unidentified
I'll just touch the water, I'll go, yo.
I'm like, somebody needs to talk!
joe rogan
The most important thing in life is fun.
All that other stuff is nonsense.
eddie bravo
That skiing video you did on Instagram the other day, that's one of the best you've ever done ever.
That skiing one was great.
brendan schaub
He has a million of them, you just don't do them.
bryan callen
I got so many hits from that.
Or that one I did with my kids, the Utah thing, I got 2.4 million.
You never know what's going to go.
brendan schaub
No, you stop doing them.
eddie bravo
It's the weirdest shit.
bryan callen
I'm going to start doing them.
brendan schaub
You still do way more and they kill.
bryan callen
I'm doing way more now.
joe rogan
My favorite ones you do when you lie in bed with an iPad on each side of your head.
brendan schaub
Oh my god, those are great.
joe rogan
You have three arguments for yourself.
brendan schaub
Those are great.
Those are good to do.
joe rogan
How much time do those take?
bryan callen
It takes a while, but then I would just time it.
The best one was when I was like, yeah, let's go drink, let's go hang, let's bang guys.
What?
Let's hang five.
No, you said Bangkok.
joe rogan
You know why you stopped doing them?
brendan schaub
You know why you stopped doing them?
You stopped doing The Road because of your TV show.
unidentified
That's why.
bryan callen
That's part of it.
brendan schaub
Because you were doing them.
joe rogan
You were getting bored in the hotel room?
bryan callen
It's just that when you're trying to write stand-up or you're trying to do other things, there's a limit to what you can...
Sometimes those things just happen.
The main thing is not to worry about not writing.
I worry about not writing and it fucks up my other stuff.
Do you ever do that?
Like where you're like, I gotta write.
I'm gonna come home and stuff.
joe rogan
I just write like I brush my teeth.
bryan callen
Yeah.
brendan schaub
Dedicate time.
joe rogan
Yeah.
Dude, I come home.
I have a whole thing I do now.
I don't even write in my office anymore.
I write all at home and I write at night when I'm high coming home from the store.
So I come home from the store.
Everyone's asleep.
Spark up a joint.
Pet my dog.
Maybe make an espresso and just sit in front of the laptop for an hour and a half, maybe two hours at the most.
That's all I need.
Two in the morning?
Yep.
brendan schaub
Then what time you get up?
joe rogan
Seven.
brendan schaub
Gangster.
bryan callen
That's all you need, though.
joe rogan
Yeah, but sometimes I go back to bed.
No, I mean, I get up to let my kids out and say goodbye on their way to school, and then if I'm feeling good, I'll go work out.
But if I'm feeling like shit, I'll go back to sleep, and I'll sleep for another two hours.
So those are the days where I'll only lift or I'll do cardio or something like that.
But on the other days, I'm doing yoga.
brendan schaub
Hey, B, he eats only meat right now, you know that?
joe rogan
Get him on a full carnivore diet.
bryan callen
Of course he is, because Joe likes to be trendy.
joe rogan
No, it's not trendy.
bryan callen
Joe's an extremist.
brendan schaub
No, there's a bunch of people.
He's extreme for sure.
joe rogan
But I did it for an experiment.
bryan callen
Moderation's not in his middle name.
brendan schaub
I knew Cal would hate on it.
joe rogan
You want to hear an Aztec death whistle?
unidentified
Sure My god, I'm pretty good Dude, that sounds...
bryan callen
Sounds like you're blowing it.
You ever seen this?
unidentified
What does he do?
joe rogan
do it yeah whatever apparently the aztecs that was only my second time which way is it this way that way yeah i think you gotta cup it suck on it though suck on it calen suck it in so they would the aztecs when they were taunting the enemy they would do that on the hillside While they were camped out and sleeping, they would keep them up all night and psychologically fuck with them.
A thousand of them at a time blowing that death whistle.
Let them know death's coming.
It sounds like someone he's yelling.
Already an expert death whistler.
brendan schaub
Dude, it's good.
joe rogan
Oh, look at this.
Is this a death whistle?
Is this guy going to do it for us?
eddie bravo
You think that some Indians are like, dude, maybe that's not a good idea.
Let's sneak up on him.
joe rogan
No, man.
Is this guy in the games?
They would stay on the outside edges.
Especially in the old bow and arrow days, you could fuck with people.
Because they can only hit you so far away.
brendan schaub
Is he blowing the Aztec whistle?
joe rogan
You're 100 yards...
eddie bravo
Sounds like a demon.
brendan schaub
Brother, let's talk to some titties.
joe rogan
Listen to that.
It sounds like demons.
eddie bravo
Oh my god.
brendan schaub
Dude, that is...
joe rogan
That's scary as fuck, dude.
Now imagine a thousand half-naked warriors that are definitely going to kill you.
And they're screaming that from the hillside.
brendan schaub
Hopefully they'll have titties like that guy.
Oh shit.
joe rogan
This is bad luck.
brendan schaub
This is bad luck.
joe rogan
No, no, no.
We're the warriors.
Okay, you're going to conjure a demon.
brendan schaub
You're also going to blow out your asshole.
unidentified
I know.
joe rogan
This is like one of those, you know...
brendan schaub
This is a bad idea.
joe rogan
Evil Dead movies.
eddie bravo
That was scary, man, right?
joe rogan
Well, they would do that to scare the fuck out of their enemy.
bryan callen
Jesus.
joe rogan
Dude.
Hard times.
Hard times made hard men.
bryan callen
It's weird that I had no energy coming here, and now I get here and I have so much energy.
unidentified
I know!
joe rogan
That's what I'm saying!
It's called bro energy.
bryan callen
It's bro energy.
joe rogan
As we get older, we cherish this.
Fun times are the best times.
Everything else is nonsense.
It's family and fun times.
brendan schaub
You don't want to waste time.
joe rogan
Yeah.
But then there's stuff you have to do that's not fun, but ensures that the fun times will continue.
unidentified
True.
joe rogan
Like discipline, exercise, work.
You gotta put in the time.
You gotta hustle.
If you don't hustle, you're not gonna enjoy the fun times.
brendan schaub
You gotta hustle.
bryan callen
Two states.
Two states.
Tranquility and excitement.
joe rogan
Yeah, like, how we are right now, like, having fun, you really can only do this correctly if you're not worried about some shit.
Like, if you have some other stuff that you should be handling, but you're not, you're blowing some things off, you know, your daughter has a recital or some shit, you know you're supposed to be there, you want to hang with your boys, that'll fuck with your head, right?
brendan schaub
Have you seen the Kevin Hart doc?
joe rogan
No, I have not.
bryan callen
So good.
brendan schaub
You guys are in it.
bryan callen
I love it.
brendan schaub
Super inspiring, man.
Fuck.
joe rogan
He's an inspiring guy.
brendan schaub
Dude, you watch it and you're like, holy fuck.
eddie bravo
How is Joey?
brendan schaub
Whatever you think you're doing.
The podcast.
unidentified
Oh.
brendan schaub
When he was on here talking.
It's cool.
joe rogan
He's an intense guy.
unidentified
He's great.
joe rogan
Driven.
You want to talk about a driven motherfucker?
brendan schaub
His whole thing is, yeah, he wants to be a billionaire.
joe rogan
Okay.
brendan schaub
But it's like, well, when's enough, dude?
When's enough?
joe rogan
I don't know.
brendan schaub
He's in this, like, huge crib in Talbazes, and he's like, you know, I just gotta do this and this.
I'm like, I looked at my girl and I go, but when is enough, dude?
joe rogan
Well, it's never gonna be enough.
Robert Downey Jr. was here the other day, and he was talking about it.
He was saying, there's a certain beauty in knowing when to hang it up.
eddie bravo
He was on your podcast?
joe rogan
Yeah.
Robert Downey Jr. yesterday?
unidentified
Yesterday.
brendan schaub
You have to post it next week when his movie comes out.
joe rogan
How good was that?
He was amazing.
He's brilliant.
brendan schaub
How long was it?
joe rogan
Yeah, a little short.
He had to go somewhere.
About an hour and a half.
eddie bravo
Damn.
brendan schaub
What was he saying?
Was he referring to Iron Man?
joe rogan
Yeah, about that.
But also about everything.
He's talking about great people that have learned when to step aside.
We were talking about Joe Walsh doing that.
Some people just knowing when to just relax a little.
brendan schaub
It's a beautiful thing.
joe rogan
Step back a little.
We're talking about good times.
Those are the most important things.
But we're all public.
We're four very public people.
And when you're a very public person professionally, stepping aside almost seems like you're losing something.
Going back to a state of regular existence seems like you're giving up or something.
Because it's so difficult in the beginning to get good at it and also to get famous and to get successful that it becomes an obsession.
And once you achieve it, anything less than that is somehow or another not desirable, even if it would be a happier state for you.
And so you get caught up in the game that you've created in order for you to become successful.
So even when you're like Kevin Hart, who's got massive amounts of riches and massive international fame, still isn't satisfied.
Still has new goals.
And maybe that's just how he does it and he enjoys it.
Or maybe with someone like me, I will tell you for sure, that would not be the case.
That would be me being on an addictive path and not being objective or introspective.
Me just going hogwash.
I don't operate...
Kevin seems to enjoy it, though.
See, with him, I wouldn't say it's the same thing, because I think he genuinely gets a real positive impact out of achieving, and then also I think he has a really good sense of how much he inspires people.
bryan callen
Yeah, he wants to make real changes in his community and all that.
He's got so many plans.
brendan schaub
My only thing is, when I see those schedules, and I know you have kids, I have a busy schedule compared to a lot of these other guys.
I'm like, God, wouldn't...
You know what I'm saying?
When are you there with the kiddos, man?
bryan callen
It's tough.
brendan schaub
You're shooting these movies, you're doing this.
joe rogan
I bet he brings the kids with him and has tutors.
He does.
bryan callen
I've been on set with him.
joe rogan
He brings his kids.
brendan schaub
He talks about it in the documentary.
joe rogan
Think about tutoring.
brendan schaub
They're not on every.
joe rogan
Being on a set.
bryan callen
The ones I was on, I was on two sets with him and he had his kids there.
joe rogan
Being on a set, most of the time you're not doing shit.
You have a lot of time to hang out with people.
I brought my family when I did Here Comes the Boom.
We hung around.
So it's like most of the day you're just hanging around.
bryan callen
You know what though?
One of the things I notice that you have to avoid is as people get older, and I've been around some pretty successful older people of late, and one of the things that I notice is that they're generally afraid of losing their relevance.
And their usefulness and their impact.
Because if you've been impactful...
brendan schaub
Okay, Boomer.
unidentified
Yeah!
joe rogan
That's what that is.
unidentified
I'm not talking about those guys, but I'm just saying what I notice is that...
brendan schaub
Don't you think those guys, I don't want to mention names, but those guys that you've been hanging...
I'm actually not talking about those guys.
Me neither, but I know who you're talking about.
But don't you think to get to a certain level of fame and success, there has to be some sort of narcissism?
So that never really goes away.
So that's what they're worried about losing, right?
bryan callen
Yeah.
I don't know.
For me, I was actually talking not about Stallone and...
brendan schaub
Me neither.
bryan callen
I was talking about these...
I've been around, you know, just around...
You get older and you're around people who are just old.
joe rogan
And De Niro?
bryan callen
And I noticed...
No, I never met him.
But you just noticed that as you get older, you don't get more secure unless you work at it like anything else.
If anything, you might get more insecure because you're dying.
And you start to feel like you're losing your relevance, your strength, your power, all that stuff.
So a lot of it is learning, I think, what Robert Downey Jr. was saying, that beauty of kind of learning how to step off and realize it's okay.
brendan schaub
Yeah, but then he also just did Dr. Doolittle, so take it easy.
bryan callen
Sure, sure.
joe rogan
I think that's why he did it.
unidentified
I think that's why he did it.
eddie bravo
You just gotta step back.
Meanwhile, don't miss my movie.
brendan schaub
Meanwhile, Dr. Doolittle this Thursday.
joe rogan
Dude, you were Iron Man.
brendan schaub
How dare you, bro?
eddie bravo
Didn't Iron Man 4 just come out?
unidentified
Yeah.
brendan schaub
Spoiler alert, he dies.
joe rogan
Is it 3?
brendan schaub
He dies.
joe rogan
No, it wasn't in Iron Man.
brendan schaub
It's Avengers.
I don't watch them, but I knew that.
bryan callen
I do think there's narcissism involved in a lot of really successful people like this.
brendan schaub
You mean all of us?
You mean all of us?
joe rogan
For sure there's some of it.
brendan schaub
It's about you.
It's a one-man show sometimes.
joe rogan
It's an element that you can put together with a lot of other elements in proper controls, and you can make a very useful engine.
It's whether or not you use that element wisely or whether you not let that element overwhelm the recipe.
Where the element is more potent and has more control than reason and logic and objectivity and kindness and camaraderie and all the other good elements.
brendan schaub
It consumes you.
bryan callen
I was terrified of being a failure.
joe rogan
You gotta like when people admire you.
When people admire your work and admire what you've done, you gotta like that.
And you like that feeling that you get from people and then you work harder.
eddie bravo
Wouldn't you say a big part of males drive to be successful?
There's a big part.
You want the best looking girl.
brendan schaub
You want to be significant.
eddie bravo
You want to be adored because guys don't ever get that.
bryan callen
Gay guys, too.
joe rogan
Gay guys, same thing.
You've got to earn that.
eddie bravo
And so when you get that...
And then you start getting old and now it's your whole life you wanted it.
unidentified
And now you're falling apart and dwindling away.
brendan schaub
Not rings over here.
bryan callen
It doesn't feel good.
But you get to a point, it's true, but I think you get to a point where a lot of what you were chasing when you were younger was a sensation.
A physical sensation of some kind.
Even if it's like the adoration of crowds and stuff.
And then maybe as you get older you go, there's got to be – that's maybe why people as they get older get a little bit more quote-unquote spiritual, a little bit more – It's scared and tired too.
Well, that might be it.
joe rogan
Scared and tired together makes you...
Scared and tired.
That's hilarious.
brendan schaub
Scared and tired.
What a terrible combo.
Makes for a religious person.
joe rogan
What a terrible combo, man.
But it is, man.
I know this dude when he was younger was never...
brendan schaub
Give Brian a hit of that.
bryan callen
I love tequila.
brendan schaub
Give Brian a hit of that.
bryan callen
I'm a tequila guy.
joe rogan
Take a hit of that.
There's no tequila.
We have whiskey.
We got sex tonight.
Dude, do it.
bryan callen
But daddy's got to drive.
So do I. But daddy can't drive.
joe rogan
It's a mild marijuana.
eddie bravo
Take an Uber.
joe rogan
It's barely psychoactive.
bryan callen
You say that.
I was high for six hours.
joe rogan
Yeah, yeah, yeah.
Well, we're going to work on that.
You need to get high more often, I think.
I think it would help you a lot.
Yeah.
brendan schaub
Dude, I remember, I never get high before I do STEM. I remember I was in the green room with you and I forget who else.
And I was like, I'm like these guys.
I did one set, it went well.
I'm like, I'm like Joe, I can handle this.
I do a set and I go out there and just ate complete dick.
joe rogan
I have a method to my madness.
The method is when I'm high, I will occasionally allow, especially when I'm comfortable with the material, I'll allow a complete different breach of thought.
So my thought, if I'm doing a bit, especially if it's a bit that I've done a bunch of times before and I know how it's structured, I'm in the middle of something, I'll allow myself a part where I go, why do we do that?
Who's the first guy who said, this is the best way to do it?
That doesn't make any sense.
And those things come a lot of times from weed.
Yeah, but you're a 30 year vet.
But I do it on purpose is my point.
I do it because I'm trying to like allow myself these little weird pathways and every now and then like there's a big part of one of the bits that I have that absolutely came from that and right now it's like one of the best parts of the bits.
It came from me being baked, joking around about this one particular subject that I already had a bit about on stage and then boom it just comes out.
bryan callen
I have a different theory about you.
brendan schaub
I'd love to hear it.
bryan callen
Well, I think that weed is really good for you because it makes you less defensive because you naturally have this.
Like, what?
brendan schaub
Oh, man.
bryan callen
You're always looking for fucking...
brendan schaub
Rattlesnake.
bryan callen
Yeah, you're looking for the predator in the group and you've got to be ready.
I think weed brings that down so it allows you to have a different perspective, like a more of a rounded perspective as opposed to a linear perspective of looking for that motherfucker that might get at you.
joe rogan
It might be that.
bryan callen
I'm so deep.
joe rogan
It makes me think different.
It makes me more vulnerable and more introspective.
Right.
But it also makes me more curious.
Like weed makes me curious.
I'm always curious.
But weed makes me curious in the moment.
Like deeply curious.
Where I'll allow myself to think about things in a way that I never thought about them before.
When you're on stage and you're making up bits.
Like you know you have a bit and it's kind of on Bambi legs.
It's real fresh.
And you're still trying to figure out what the beats are.
When you're high, man, it's like they come to you sometimes.
Like there's someone that says, say applesauce.
unidentified
Say applesauce.
joe rogan
And then boom, applesauce comes out.
I almost hear the word sometimes.
It only happens if you're comfortable.
It only happens if you're doing a shitload of sets.
There's a lot of factors.
brendan schaub
I know I'm a little high, but I am dying to hear The Next Door Neighbor of Epstein.
I can't stop thinking about it.
eddie bravo
After the show.
It's not like a celebrity or anything.
joe rogan
Why do you like these conspiracy theories so much?
brendan schaub
I don't know, man.
joe rogan
But you don't get into them.
eddie bravo
Someone asked me why I was a conspiracy theorist.
It was an interview, and they were asking some jujitsu interview, why are you a conspiracy theorist?
And I said, why isn't everybody a goddamn conspiracy theorist?
We all know the government lies.
bryan callen
But you'll like this.
eddie bravo
And then you believe official stories?
Doesn't make any sense.
bryan callen
You'll like this.
That's not logic.
This venture capitalist, she deals with billionaires.
And she goes, you know, there's these ideas that, you know, people, all these billionaires get together and then they figured out the world.
This is what we're going to do this year and they leave, you know.
And she goes, let me tell you why that's complete bullshit.
Like the idea that the powerful get together.
Jesus Christ, they do.
eddie bravo
Let them talk.
joe rogan
Let them talk.
bryan callen
So he goes, she goes, I tried to schedule a dinner with five billionaires.
Five.
unidentified
Five.
bryan callen
And the reason they're billionaires is because they're super competitive and they fucking hate their other competitors.
She goes, I couldn't get five of them to sit at a table because one dude had fucked the other guy's ex-wife.
The other guy was suing the other guy.
The other guy was trying to take over the other guy's business.
joe rogan
But the bottom line is she's in the outskirts.
There you go.
unidentified
Proof.
joe rogan
No Illuminati.
bryan callen
No, it's because human beings who are super competitive and very successful are usually assholes.
joe rogan
Gentlemen, please, stop for a second.
If there was a fucking lady who wanted to make a lunch with us, we wouldn't go.
eddie bravo
No, no, no.
bryan callen
This was for business.
joe rogan
This was all in there.
He's got evidence.
You helped his argument, Callan.
You helped his argument.
bryan callen
I knew a chick.
eddie bravo
She tried to bank a couple billion dollars.
unidentified
They hated each other.
They hated each other.
She's a venture capitalist who deals with It was one of the worst arguments.
eddie bravo
You should have said he was a venture capitalist before.
We didn't know.
bryan callen
She was a venture capitalist who could get all of them individually.
She dealt with all of them individually.
She knew them very well.
joe rogan
You just turned 17 people into flat earthers.
17 people listening.
unidentified
I knew a chick.
eddie bravo
She tried to bang billionaires.
You can't bang billionaires.
unidentified
That was the greatest evidence ever.
joe rogan
The dumbest story you've ever played.
bryan callen
You can't get that many powerful people in a room because they all hate each other.
joe rogan
I don't trust her.
You're so attracted to the official story.
It's adorable.
You bought the dumbest version of it I've ever heard.
unidentified
There's no Illuminati!
joe rogan
There's a lady trying to get these guys together for lunch.
They wouldn't do it!
Case closed!
eddie bravo
And that was the end of the Illuminati myth.
joe rogan
Have you ever seen the Bohemian Grove footage where Alex Jones filmed all these elites dressing up like druids and worshipping the owl god Moloch?
That's real, dude.
They really do that.
But what are you eye-rolling?
bryan callen
I'm eye-rolling that the Illuminati doesn't control the world because nobody's that organized.
joe rogan
Well, maybe they're not, but did you ever see that Bohemian Grove thing?
That is absolutely 100% real.
No, it's not so what, Brian!
It's people dressing up like wizards, saying some sacred ritual, burning an effigy in front of an owl god.
bryan callen
Same with Burning Man!
joe rogan
Bro, this is so different than Burning Man.
It's the government.
It's people at the highest levels of banks.
It's all these different famous people.
There's a bunch of crazy, really rich, influential people that went to that Bohemian Grove and dressed up like druids and they chanted things.
Have you ever seen it?
bryan callen
Yeah, I saw it.
joe rogan
You are.
bryan callen
Yeah, you haven't seen it.
joe rogan
He hasn't seen it.
unidentified
He hasn't seen it.
Sorry.
He hasn't seen it.
eddie bravo
He just doesn't want you to put it over there.
bryan callen
No, I did see it because you were talking about it and I didn't believe it.
joe rogan
What do you mean you didn't believe it?
John Ronson was there.
John Ronson is a 100% credible journalist.
unidentified
Yeah.
joe rogan
Whatever you might think about, anybody else that was there, although different people that have made YouTube videos on it, John Bronson is legit as they come, straight down the middle, very intelligent.
bryan callen
But what do you think they're doing there?
Are they planning the world?
joe rogan
I think they're doing the same way they do the Skull and Bones, where they get together and they have a group where they all become a part of this group early on and they feel some kinship, just like the Freemasons.
unidentified
Oh, that makes sense.
joe rogan
Just like a lot of people, but this is very extreme.
They're chanting crazy shit, and they're putting hoods on, and they're burning an effigy that's supposed to be a sacrificial person, but it's straw in a bundle.
You don't imagine doing that?
They talk about the owl god Moloch.
Okay, these are multi-millionaires.
eddie bravo
Do you know who Marina Abramovic is?
brendan schaub
Of course he doesn't.
eddie bravo
Now you do.
bryan callen
Yeah, I do.
joe rogan
But Brian, this is...
eddie bravo
You didn't in that when we were texting.
joe rogan
But your initial reaction is not objective.
Your initial reaction is not...
bryan callen
You're like...
joe rogan
That is a crazy thing!
bryan callen
I know, but I just don't believe that the rich and powerful are organized enough to actually get together and create a cabal.
joe rogan
I think they're all competitive.
eddie bravo
How do you think they got so rich?
joe rogan
Let me give you a two-step here.
Do you believe the footage from Behavi and Grove?
There really was these heads of banks and heads of...
You believe that, right?
And they're all together, right?
So wouldn't they talk about business?
bryan callen
Yeah.
joe rogan
Well, that's probably how they do it.
This is probably what it's all about.
It's probably not as nefarious as we like to think.
It's their fight campaign.
eddie bravo
How do you think they got so rich?
bryan callen
By being lazy?
eddie bravo
Of course they're organized.
joe rogan
They become a team with all the other people that are like them.
They do things like influence special interest groups.
brendan schaub
That's what they do.
eddie bravo
They go, why don't you send a billion dollars of aid over to my country and send another billion over to yours?
bryan callen
That I believe.
eddie bravo
That's what's going on.
That's what we're talking about.
joe rogan
Look at this.
This is the hidden footage that John Ronson and Alex Jones got from Bohemian Grove in like the fucking late 90s.
brendan schaub
I was going to say, how old is this shit?
joe rogan
I think it was early 2000s or something.
Shut the fuck up.
You can hear them.
They're lighting things on fire.
The Moloch, the Owl God.
Or it's a corn concert.
They're saying all this crazy shit.
bryan callen
Or it's a corn concert.
joe rogan
Put the volume on it so you can hear it.
Put the volume on it.
unidentified
Jamie got that.
joe rogan
Listen to the volume.
Listen to this shit.
So they have music, they're playing.
eddie bravo
They're in the woods, dude.
joe rogan
But give me the volume of them talking.
And they ain't camping.
bryan callen
What do you think is going on?
eddie bravo
The richest people in the world are controls.
joe rogan
Oh, okay, okay.
It's super simple.
It's like the mob.
unidentified
It's as simple as it gets, Brian.
joe rogan
But there's pictures of Ronald Reagan there.
People have been there forever.
They've been going there since the beginning of time.
This is one of those things where rich, powerful people get together and go, hey, we're all on the same team.
People like to be protected.
brendan schaub
It's what they do there, though.
eddie bravo
Why?
joe rogan
It's in the middle of California, in the middle of the woods.
You've got to go through a guard checkpoint.
eddie bravo
And I have, in this area, the same area, I have a friend who's a producer who got in with one of the biggest producers of all time for a while.
I don't want to say any names, but he was in that crew.
There's this producer and he's got this crew of all these different people in his crew to produce shit.
It's like a little gang.
And it's a top guy.
Everybody knows this much.
bryan callen
Sure.
eddie bravo
He was involved in, he was like a new recruit.
And they went to a city by Bulimian Grove.
One road, no one has access to it unless you're part of this group.
And it's a big ass city.
He goes, it's like you're in some Middle East, like Abu Dhabi Prince city where everything is paved and just, it's insane.
joe rogan
Isn't Bohemian Grove in the center of California?
eddie bravo
The city's hidden.
It's in Northern California.
brendan schaub
Wouldn't one of these clubs reach out to Joe?
joe rogan
I'm just telling you what I heard.
Someone's going to reach out.
unidentified
They know they can't control Joe.
eddie bravo
That's why he's not a big movie star.
He doesn't want to be a movie star.
bryan callen
Here's what I think.
I think that the rich and powerful get together.
eddie bravo
If they gave you a hundred million, you would.
unidentified
I don't want to ask.
eddie bravo
No.
If someone said, I'm going to give you a hundred million to be in a movie with The Rock, you would do it.
joe rogan
We'll talk later.
bryan callen
I would do it.
I love The Rock.
joe rogan
I'd do it just to hug them.
bryan callen
But here's what I think.
I think the rich and powerful get together and have these, like they go to, they go to, they go to, they go to dinner.
They go to retreats.
joe rogan
Yes.
bryan callen
You know why I think they do it?
A couple things.
brendan schaub
You can't really do it.
unidentified
Okay.
bryan callen
They get to fuck.
They get to do drugs and nobody's looking.
joe rogan
And that's where Epstein came into place.
Correct.
That's where Epstein came in.
Where Epstein came in was they all thought that they were protected.
They all thought that this guy who has these intelligence connections, who's a benefactor of science, he loves to spend money on science, and he would donate money to their causes, and they were all together, and he was banging these girls, and so I'll bang them too.
bryan callen
Sure.
joe rogan
And they go to an island, so they think they're fine.
bryan callen
And they're being videotaped.
joe rogan
You're being videotaped and you're also being used to influence policy and influence...
bryan callen
That I believe.
joe rogan
Yes.
bryan callen
And I believe that he could...
unidentified
That's what's going on.
bryan callen
I believe he could very well have been an entity of an intelligence agency like the CIA, like the Mossad.
All of them.
joe rogan
All of them.
I have to pee already?
brendan schaub
Damn, you're peeing before all of us.
bryan callen
What?
joe rogan
I drank a lot of water today.
unidentified
This is the first.
joe rogan
Okay, while he's gone, do not ask me about...
I'm drinking gallons of water in the stupid diet.
Don't let him get off the rails.
eddie bravo
Yeah, no flounder.
brendan schaub
I gotta hear about the next door neighbor.
unidentified
No, no, no.
eddie bravo
No, no, no.
bryan callen
Eddie, you've been restrained, man.
eddie bravo
No, you missed the whole beat.
joe rogan
It was fantastic.
brendan schaub
I live for this.
bryan callen
Wait, I thought we were going to watch classic fights or something.
brendan schaub
Yeah, you came too late, dude.
So we decided to do government shit.
eddie bravo
Brendan, subscribe to the YouTube channel X22 Report.
brendan schaub
I'm going to write it right now.
eddie bravo
X22 Report.
brendan schaub
Horrible name, but I'll do it.
eddie bravo
Just listen to them.
You want to know what's going on?
That's what's going on.
And also listen to...
Subscribe to...
brendan schaub
Hold on.
One at a time.
X22? Report.
All right.
eddie bravo
And then the Dan Bongino show.
brendan schaub
Dan Bongino.
eddie bravo
He's fucking awesome.
He does jujitsu, too.
He's legit.
Dan Bongino.
bryan callen
You know, I'm training with Hedon.
eddie bravo
He reports.
You want to know what's really going on in D.C.? Listen to Dan Bongino and X22. That's what's really going on.
All the shit that's going on right now, we knew about this shit two years ago.
brendan schaub
Say no more, fam.
eddie bravo
People were giving up on cue because they're like, when is all this shit gonna come out?
And then finally it came out.
All this stuff, we know all the players.
If you pay attention, it's just like Game of Thrones.
All this shit, it's new to some people.
bryan callen
But Eddie, what about Analytica?
What was that?
Cambridge Analytica that found out that they were basically like YouTube has an algorithm like if you if you look up conspiracy theories you're going to start getting they're going to start curating the algorithm pushes you in that direction that's everything though right even politics so if you're a democrat you're going to get all the information from that and what was happening you're right There's two sides and they're polar opposite.
eddie bravo
One is right, one is wrong.
So it's really easy to figure out which one's right and wrong.
You just got to figure out for sure who's full of shit.
Let's see, who's for sure full of shit?
Hillary Clinton's full of shit, for sure.
CNN's full of shit, for sure.
Joe Biden, full of shit, for sure.
Adam Schiff, full of shit, for sure.
So you know what?
Out of those four people, they're all saying the exact same thing.
And they're all full of shit.
And who else is saying the exact same thing?
CNN, MSNBC. So we already know, okay, so by process of elimination, you know that shit can't be real.
bryan callen
But you sound like Tucker Carlson right now.
What about Tucker Carlson?
eddie bravo
There's two sides.
You gotta pick one side.
unidentified
Dude, pick a side.
eddie bravo
One side is Tucker Carlson and one side is Hillary Clinton.
unidentified
No, I don't.
joe rogan
No, you pick a side.
bryan callen
There's two sides.
joe rogan
I told you, don't let him get off the rails.
bryan callen
No, but it's not two sides.
eddie bravo
No, there's three.
There's three types of people.
The first one, people that think Hillary good, Trump bad.
The second type of person is people who think Trump good, Hillary bad.
And then there's the third type, that think both of them are bad.
bryan callen
No, there's also nuance.
There's only three.
Hold on.
joe rogan
What's the fourth person who's responsive to evidence?
Guys, guys, guys, guys.
We got to stop talking over each other.
unidentified
No.
joe rogan
Guys, you can't do this.
This is murder on people's ears.
unidentified
Okay.
bryan callen
See?
unidentified
I'm done.
brendan schaub
You guys have been in the business too long.
You should know this.
eddie bravo
You know who Dan Bongino is?
He does jiu-jitsu.
joe rogan
Dan Bongino.
eddie bravo
He's got his own podcast.
He does jiu-jitsu.
brendan schaub
YouTube, dude.
eddie bravo
YouTube guy.
He sometimes does shit on Fox News, too.
He's awesome.
You ever listen to him?
joe rogan
No, never ever.
eddie bravo
Well, if you're ever interested...
In a different side of what's going on.
There's only really two sides in DC. There's only two sides in DC. There's the side that believes Adam Schiff, and then there's the other side.
So for sure, Adam Schiff got in front of Congress and made up that phone call.
That Trump phone call, this whole impeachment's about, he gets up in front of Congress after Trump released the transcript of the Congress.
Trump said, hey, look into Biden.
He's fucking on video talking shit about withholding a billion dollars to Ukraine and aid if they don't fire the prosecutor that's going after his son.
And he's on video saying this.
So Trump says, look into that shit.
And so now Trump is getting impeached for getting the Ukraine to dig up dirt on Biden.
unidentified
Not the crime.
eddie bravo
They're not even concerned about the crime.
brendan schaub
That's the Biden.
eddie bravo
So instead of the actual phone call, the transcript of Trump.
bryan callen
Politics as usual.
eddie bravo
Chef goes, he pretends he's reading the transcript.
He says, oh, it went something like this.
And then he starts reading and goes, listen, I want you to, I'm only going to tell you this seven times.
And seven, you better listen up good.
joe rogan
You said it that way?
eddie bravo
Exactly like that.
unidentified
If you don't dig up Liam Neeson, just like a gangster.
joe rogan
And he goes, if you don't dig up dirt.
Is there a recording of this?
eddie bravo
Yes, find it.
joe rogan
Is it Liam Neeson?
Jamie, have you ever heard it?
bryan callen
This is a good impression of shit.
unidentified
Find it.
joe rogan
There's a recording of it, but I don't know that it had that tone of voice.
eddie bravo
You know the way you're going to find it?
Listen, the only way you're going to find it, the only way you're going to find it, is if you go to YouTube, they hide everything, right?
So what you do is, the workaround is you go to DuckDuckGo, and in their little space bar, put site, S-I-T-E, semicolon, YouTube.com, and then whatever you want, and then it brings up everything.
brendan schaub
I started using it.
eddie bravo
You know what I'm talking about?
joe rogan
I started using it.
eddie bravo
Go ahead.
joe rogan
I started using DuckDuckGo for searches.
bryan callen
It's the best.
joe rogan
Because if you just go to Google, when I would go to Google, my Google app, I'd start reading news.
And it would just take me on a fucking rabbit hole.
And I'd be like, a half an hour later, just sitting on the toilet, my legs are numb.
I'm like, what am I doing here?
brendan schaub
I live for that, man.
joe rogan
Instead, DuckDuckGo, I just go right to it and it gives you the opportunity to erase all of your history instantly.
DuckDuckGo.
Dude, DuckDuckGo is great.
I heard about it from some article on the internet that we're talking about how it's one of the best in terms of privacy and protecting your privacy.
brendan schaub
Oh, interesting.
joe rogan
Just search apps.
But what I like about it is it just searches for what I'm looking for.
eddie bravo
Exactly.
brendan schaub
It doesn't give you a bunch of ideas.
eddie bravo
It doesn't shadow ban shit.
So what you do, again, S-I-T-E semicolon YouTube.com or whatever website you want and then space and then whatever the search works.
It's not too much if you're looking for the truth.
I never go to Google.
bryan callen
It's never too much for the truth.
eddie bravo
Right.
I got DuckDuckGo ready to go anytime I want to search something on YouTube.
I go to DuckDuckGo because if you go to YouTube and you could print, you could type out the exact title of the video and the author and that shit won't come up.
They hide that shit.
They're hiding everything, dude.
joe rogan
How is it that there's only one YouTube?
brendan schaub
There's EllenTube.
joe rogan
What?
brendan schaub
Ellen went, oh, YouTube, you're just going to make money off me?
I'm going to start my own channel.
joe rogan
She started EllenTube.
Hold on.
You can't make a conspiracy video and put it up on EllenTube, though, can you?
brendan schaub
No, but what I'm saying is EllenTube went, no, no, no, YouTube, you're not getting on my content.
joe rogan
You're missing the point.
brendan schaub
Well, there's RedTube.
joe rogan
No, no, no.
The ability to just be a regular person and upload something that millions of people are going to see.
It's amazing that there's really only one of those.
There's video.
bryan callen
The problem is that there's very few people that are controlling all the information.
joe rogan
Exactly.
bryan callen
Facebook, Apple, Microsoft, and Amazon.
Very few people, and that's a major problem.
eddie bravo
You know what we're seeing is they have the ability to wipe shit out off the internet, too.
They know how to do that.
You know the one thing?
bryan callen
Well, and you know what else is the problem with that is that sometimes you get people that the top, the upper echelon can't even control that.
You know, there was an article about how CNN, the upper management who are older and a little bit more moderate, had a meeting with their young journalists and they were like, you guys are so hard in the pain against Trump in every way that we're losing viewership because there's zero, there's absolutely zero balance here.
brendan schaub
Yeah.
bryan callen
I mean, if...
It's so unbelievable.
I don't even listen.
I know exactly what I'm going to get if I go either to Fox or I go...
eddie bravo
When you turn on your phone, your iPhone, iPhone's connected to that.
Every news headline is negative on Trump.
Every single one.
bryan callen
It's opinion.
eddie bravo
It's not opinion.
It's like strategic.
Let's get this motherfucker.
bryan callen
That's what I'm saying.
There's an agenda.
Yeah, but people are hip to that.
unidentified
It's strategic.
bryan callen
People are hip to it.
What people are doing is they're going...
I know for a fact when I look at Huffington Post, or I look at CNN, I'm going to get a biased, I'm not going to get objective news.
What sells now is if you are a pundit, whoever you are, you have a show like Don Lemon or Hannity, you're beholden to your ratings.
It's infotainment.
So you have to speak to your base.
brendan schaub
Their base is gone, though, B. They're fucking themselves, yeah, because all they do is talk negative.
bryan callen
CNBC is losing all their...
joe rogan
But there's still a lot.
There's still a giant market.
Everyone says they're losing.
brendan schaub
There's a trend.
joe rogan
Ratings are highly inaccurate.
They don't really understand them.
You know how Nielsen's work.
They barely know who the fuck to watch and watch.
It's so bad, and they can't really 100%.
With streaming services, what's weird is Netflix controls all their things.
When you do a special on Netflix, they don't tell you shit.
I have no idea how many people watch my special.
unidentified
You don't have a problem with that?
brendan schaub
That's not weird to you?
joe rogan
They give you a lot of money.
brendan schaub
Go ahead.
Here's my thinking.
If they give me a lot of money, you probably should be getting more, right?
joe rogan
I don't know.
It's a good argument.
But they control everything.
They control the whole network, all of it.
So ratings are nonsense.
They don't give a fuck.
They know what's popular and what's not.
So what's popular rises to the top, like Stranger Things, and what's not, they start canceling.
It's entirely up to them.
It's weird from a point of an artist or creator, because you don't really have any leverage other than the public zeitgeist, whether or not your thing's out there.
It is and it isn't.
But the weird thing is the rating system they have now, it's like either you get no ratings, where they have all the information, or you get the rating system now.
It's like, what is the Nielsen family?
I mean, we've done this before.
It's strange.
bryan callen
We still use it for schooled, but what they find out later is that there are so many other venues that people are watching it on.
DVRs.
joe rogan
It's huge.
It's a giant percentage of people watching.
Hulu, all these different things.
bryan callen
So now, we had this major jump, apparently, in the past two weeks.
But by the Nielsen ratings, everything stayed the same.
But the reporters, I think it was a Hollywood Reporter or something, he was like, no, no, no.
You guys aren't looking at these other metrics.
brendan schaub
But it's the same thing with podcasting, too.
They've redone a way how they determine the downloads for audio podcasts.
Obviously, video, it is what it is on YouTube.
That's easy to see.
But for audio, they switched it up.
You know what I'm talking about, Jamie?
Maybe...
They switch it completely up.
joe rogan
What do you mean?
brendan schaub
It used to be a certain...
They would take the two minute download.
It's weird.
I don't know the ins and outs of it.
But they've completely changed for advertising what they consider how many downloads you get.
It's completely different.
bryan callen
Because you have to listen all the way through or whatever it might be.
brendan schaub
It's just that they do a different number now.
They used to judge it from minute mark, two minute mark.
unidentified
It's completely different.
eddie bravo
I never gave a shit about monetizing my YouTube.
Not even from dad.
I don't give a shit.
That one dude that you worked with, he fucked with it.
I never even paid attention.
Finally looked back into it.
We were collecting no money.
I don't give a shit.
So they demonetized my YouTube channel.
I never put any weird shit on there anyways.
bryan callen
I feel like you would make...
eddie bravo
I don't even care.
I don't ever want to be, like YouTube, I don't ever want to be dependent on them at all.
joe rogan
Yeah, but you don't have to be dependent on them.
eddie bravo
I don't even care.
I don't even want to care about it.
That money means nothing to me.
I'm looking for an alternative.
Like, what is the alternative?
Bitchute?
And Alex Jones got completely wiped off social media.
But he's got his own thing now going.
Band.media.
If you go there, people are just starting their own shit.
People are going to DLive.
And what else is there?
Do you know, Jamie?
There's got to be an alternative.
joe rogan
This makes bigger and bigger.
Echo chambers is what it does.
brendan schaub
It's good.
joe rogan
It's good because especially with YouTube.
The thing is, one of the good things about interacting in a YouTube format or a social media format like Twitter or Instagram is...
They block all conservatives.
That's bullshit.
That's a problem.
eddie bravo
That's bullshit.
joe rogan
But a lot of people get to see it and there's discussion.
When you look into the comments, people are discussing things.
They're talking things through.
eddie bravo
But shadow banning?
joe rogan
Once you take it and you go to your own personal website, growth stops.
It gets very marginal.
And then the other thing that happens is it becomes an echo chamber.
The only people that are tolerated are the people that are the supporters of whatever the person is.
So they don't get any criticism and then because mainstream or I shouldn't say mainstream alternative and Competing sites and channels don't want to feature them.
They don't get talked about at all.
bryan callen
You need idea sex You need ideas clashing you You have to.
brendan schaub
You need competition.
bryan callen
You need the free flow of debate and ideas and you have to have discussions and you have to have people that disagree with each other so that you can see the error of your own ways.
If you have an intelligent debate slash discussion with somebody who knows more than you do or has a different but informed point of view, you're going to come out of that conversation different.
You're going to make some growth.
eddie bravo
That's what they're afraid of.
They don't want that.
joe rogan
Well, what they want is money.
eddie bravo
They're not banning the loony left at all.
joe rogan
It's because they are the loony left, and they think they're doing the right thing, but what they want is money.
You know, I was reading the thing about the head of Google, and he makes something like $2 million a year, but if he hits these performance goals over the next three years, he stands to rake in $240 million in stock.
And I was like, well, no wonder why they're ruthless.
No wonder why they take down the slogan, don't be evil.
That was their slogan.
Google's slogan was don't be evil.
And then they go like, what about for $240 million?
Be a little evil.
They start thinking about fucking tailored suits and private jets and champagne and diamond rings.
bryan callen
Yeah, good people will behave corruptly.
That's what happens in Washington.
Lawrence Lessig said Washington has become a special interest cesspool where good people, if you want to get ahead, you've got to figure out a way to behave.
Good people must behave corruptly because it's an economy of inequality.
eddie bravo
Not all of them, though.
Not all of them.
Because if they were all corrupt, there would be no reason to suicide anybody.
There would be no reason to bribe anybody.
There's good people in there.
If you fuck up, someone's willing to kill a motherfucker just to avoid justice.
bryan callen
You don't have to kill anyone anymore.
eddie bravo
There's always good people.
You just have to figure out who are the good people.
bryan callen
You don't have to kill people anymore.
joe rogan
Do you think Kevin Spacey's killing people?
eddie bravo
Didn't Epstein just commit suicide?
joe rogan
Do you think Kevin Spacey's killing people?
unidentified
No.
joe rogan
Did you see that new video that came out right before the dude suicided himself that accused him of grabbing his dick?
bryan callen
Oh, yeah.
joe rogan
Isn't it four people now?
Is it four?
Kill him with kindness.
eddie bravo
Come on, man.
brendan schaub
Oh, really?
joe rogan
And he's doing it as Frank Underwood.
You haven't seen it?
brendan schaub
No.
joe rogan
Oh, my God.
brendan schaub
And then the guy commits suicide like a week later, right?
eddie bravo
Dude, that's what I'm talking about.
This shit's going on and no one gives a fuck.
You don't have to kill people.
bryan callen
You don't have to kill people.
brendan schaub
You don't have to.
unidentified
Sure you do.
No, no, no.
bryan callen
You just destroy the reputation.
eddie bravo
Brian, slow down.
joe rogan
Brian, slow down.
If your reputation is already destroyed, though, like Kevin Spacey, and there's a guy claiming that you grabbed his dick, it might be a good idea to kill him.
Watch this a little bit.
Give me some vibes.
eddie bravo
He just doesn't want to go to prison, dude.
joe rogan
Look at this.
eddie bravo
That's all.
We've got to avoid prison.
bryan callen
Hold on.
unidentified
It's been a pretty good year, and I'm grateful to have my health back.
And in light of that, I've made some changes in my life.
What a psycho.
eddie bravo
Dude, he's MKUltra.
joe rogan
You think so?
unidentified
If this ain't MKUltra, it doesn't exist.
More good in this world.
Ah, yes.
I know what you're thinking.
Can he be serious?
I'm dead serious.
And it's not that hard, trust me.
The next time someone does something you don't like, you can go on the attack, but you can also hold your fire and do the unexpected.
You can...
kill them with kindness.
Whoa!
eddie bravo
Dude, he put that out.
And everyone is cool.
Everyone's cool.
brendan schaub
He's such a good actor.
He's such a good actor.
bryan callen
He's not a killer.
He didn't kill this.
joe rogan
I didn't say he killed anybody.
eddie bravo
I never said he killed anybody.
brendan schaub
He died a few days later.
eddie bravo
Did you hear what he just said?
And do you know what he's in the middle of?
unidentified
That's not...
eddie bravo
It's not like...
unidentified
Hold on, Eddie.
brendan schaub
Let me ask Brian.
eddie bravo
It's a different time for Kevin Spacey right now.
unidentified
Hold on.
brendan schaub
Before we...
unidentified
Hey, B. Maybe the guy killed himself after you watched that video.
brendan schaub
Hey, B. Do you think Epstein...
eddie bravo
You're like a defense attorney.
brendan schaub
Do you think Epstein was committed suicide or was murdered?
bryan callen
I don't know what...
Shut the fuck up!
Defensive time!
I totally believe he would kill himself.
Why would he want to be alive?
Where is he going to go?
I mean, his life is ruined.
brendan schaub
You think he committed suicide?
bryan callen
It's very possible.
Yeah.
eddie bravo
How many guys from Kevin Spacey...
joe rogan
What are you showing me, Jamie?
eddie bravo
What's going on?
joe rogan
December 26th?
unidentified
Yeah, that video was posted on the 24th.
eddie bravo
Dude, Rolling Stone posted that shit.
joe rogan
But here's the thing, though.
That means the guy saw it for two days.
So for two days, he probably, on a loop, watched this video of this guy who grabbed his dick.
He's like, why didn't I just punch him?
Bang!
brendan schaub
But he committed suicide because he grabbed his dick?
joe rogan
He said that Kevin Spacey grabbed his dick and said, let's go outside and get some air.
brendan schaub
That's it?
joe rogan
Yes.
I don't want to prove it, but I'm just saying.
He lived a whole other life outside of getting his dick grabbed by Kevin Spacey.
A lot of people kill themselves that never got their dick grabbed by Kevin Spacey.
But the thing is, this guy killed himself two days after Kevin Spacey released that video.
It could easily just be a coincidence.
It could easily be that the type of guy that Kevin Spacey grabs their dick, they're probably not doing so good in the first place.
unidentified
Wasn't he super young when he grabbed that dick?
joe rogan
I don't know.
This is a different one.
There's many stories.
He was aggressive with the dick grabber.
brendan schaub
I didn't know he was gay.
joe rogan
Here's the thing about it, man.
Here's the thing about it.
It had to have worked.
If he grabbed that many dicks, how many dicks did he grab that all of a sudden these guys would goggle, goggle, goggle?
It's because they don't know.
Because everybody's so homophobic.
I blame homophobic people on Kevin Spacey out there grabbing dick.
bryan callen
Hey, I got news for you.
You know how many home runs he hit?
I got news for you.
As much of a monster rapist as Harvey Weinstein is, as much of a fucking piece of shit.
brendan schaub
Made some good movies.
bryan callen
He fucked a whole lot.
All that crazy shit he did.
joe rogan
That wanted him to.
bryan callen
Yeah.
joe rogan
Or that allowed it.
It was consensual.
brendan schaub
These boys took a lot of swings, hit a lot of home runs.
bryan callen
Yes.
brendan schaub
Hit a lot of home runs.
bryan callen
They had their bag of tricks.
joe rogan
That's why Kevin Spacey felt like he could grab dicks because it worked before.
Because there's probably some thrilled heterosexual guy who can't believe he's got Kevin Spacey's cock in his mouth.
It's like, I can't even tell anybody.
brendan schaub
What's in the box?
bryan callen
Hold on.
joe rogan
I can't even tell anybody.
bryan callen
Excuse me, sir.
Celebrity doesn't cut through.
Your heterosexuality, you understand?
joe rogan
It does for a really, really, really dumb person.
bryan callen
I might have kissed Tom Cruise on the mouth just because I was talking to him for an hour and a half and I wanted to be his friend so badly.
But that was it.
joe rogan
If you're really, really dumb, a super smart gay guy could talk you into blowing him.
bryan callen
How would that go?
brendan schaub
Jason Momoa could do it.
joe rogan
I said a bit where I said I'm always suspicious of bisexuals because every single one of them I've ever met was a moron.
And I have a theory.
I don't believe there's really bisexuals.
I think there's gay dudes and then there's really gullible straight dudes who get talked into blowing crafty gay dudes.
eddie bravo
Damn, you got a down word for word.
bryan callen
That's a great joke.
eddie bravo
Dude, that was...
joe rogan
It's like, there's some dudes you can fucking talk into anything.
And then all of a sudden, they're like, I'm bi.
Like, yeah, Tom says I'm bi.
Fucking dick, dude.
I'm like, I don't know, bro.
Sure, man.
unidentified
I don't know.
joe rogan
I'm obviously just kidding.
There's definitely bi people.
Look, there's a spectrum.
If there's people that don't...
There's people that are asexual.
They don't give a fuck about sex.
bryan callen
Well, there are guys...
Yeah, this friend of mine knew a guy who would be like, I'll fuck it.
I'll fuck anybody.
joe rogan
Yeah, listen.
bryan callen
What are you talking about?
He goes...
Show me the money.
You put money on the table, there's not a man or a woman I wouldn't fuck.
joe rogan
Yeah, but that's money.
That guy's a whore.
bryan callen
Yeah, well that guy's a sociopath.
He doesn't care.
joe rogan
He's just a high level whore.
bryan callen
And he also said, and I'll let anybody fuck me.
joe rogan
Okay.
unidentified
Congratulations, Dan.
bryan callen
That guy's name was Brian Count.
unidentified
Same price?
bryan callen
He was in college.
Same price?
But I was in college, guys.
joe rogan
What costs more?
bryan callen
I needed the money.
joe rogan
But what costs more?
Getting fucked or fucking someone.
Because if you fuck someone, you've got to get it up.
eddie bravo
Can you touch someone and ask them?
joe rogan
If you're so hard, I don't care if you fuck me.
unidentified
Go ahead.
bryan callen
Getting fucked.
unidentified
No, you want to fuck me, that's another 200. Dude, but not practically, Brian.
joe rogan
Practically, it'd be harder to fuck a guy.
eddie bravo
I got no condom, another 200. I love that so it's two to me.
unidentified
That's the lesson to fight.
joe rogan
Listen, listen, listen.
What would be harder to do?
Would it be harder to fuck a guy or get fucked by a guy?
Oh, dude, it's a terrible question.
It's a terrible question.
I don't think you should get fucked by a guy unless you're gay.
But if you weren't gay, getting fucked by a guy might be easier.
brendan schaub
Yeah, I agree.
eddie bravo
Because how are you going to get it up?
joe rogan
Right, you got to get it up.
unidentified
Open that ass.
joe rogan
You got to think about what you're doing.
bryan callen
And then people say, dude, you had a hard dick.
eddie bravo
You had a hard dick.
You could always say, my dick was soft.
He fucked me in the ass.
I had to do it.
brendan schaub
Yeah, I had to do it.
joe rogan
I don't give a fuck.
I had fuck.
You want to fuck my shit?
Shoot.
bryan callen
Go ahead, bro.
I know a fighter who will remain nameless who said, he said, we were talking about, he was with his wife, and we were talking about cheating and stuff, and he said, tell him what I'd do.
Tell him what I'd do.
No, his wife goes, hey, tell him what you'd do if you caught me cheating.
And he goes, ah.
She goes, no, tell him.
And he goes, well.
There's a reason I have Viagra around, and it's not because I need it for her.
And I go, well, do tell.
Now I'm all ears.
And he goes, well, I would take Viagra, and I would get my dick hard, and I would fuck him in the ass.
eddie bravo
That takes 45 minutes.
bryan callen
In front of her.
Whatever.
brendan schaub
This guy's a big scary dude too.
joe rogan
He's a heavyweight.
bryan callen
He knows who it is.
And I was just like, you are amazing.
And he was dead serious.
I'll tell you who it is next time.
joe rogan
That's an interesting way to approach a problem.
brendan schaub
I bet you could guess.
joe rogan
Okay, we'll talk later.
unidentified
Very impressive, by the way.
joe rogan
So 2019, what did we do to Ben Askren?
That was you and me, bro.
We had a big part of that.
brendan schaub
I'm still a fan.
joe rogan
I'm a huge fan.
brendan schaub
That's my quarterback.
joe rogan
I'm a huge fan, but three fights in the UFC. Tough go.
Two things happen.
One, big time off of competing.
Two, you know, competing in one FC against, it was not the same level of competition, I don't believe, as even he fought in Bellator.
brendan schaub
Not even close.
joe rogan
And then three, you know, the guy's got a fucked up hip.
brendan schaub
He's also older, though.
People forget, like, you know, when Ben got to the UFC, he was an older dude.
He had a lot of fights.
He was older.
They didn't get him when he was a young kid.
joe rogan
Spring chicken.
This hip thing is not a new thing.
bryan callen
With all due respect.
brendan schaub
Please don't disrespect him.
bryan callen
With all due respect.
As great a grappler as he is, he's simply not a good striker, and he's not close to a striker that you need to be in the UFC. He just isn't.
Maybe I'm blind, but if you're going to tell me that Ben Askren is a...
brendan schaub
No one's gonna argue this, Brian.
unidentified
Right.
bryan callen
So you can't be in the UFC without being that well-rounded.
eddie bravo
No, but he's such a good grappler that it doesn't matter.
brendan schaub
It doesn't matter.
bryan callen
It didn't matter.
It doesn't matter.
eddie bravo
He didn't lose to Damian Maia because of his striking.
bryan callen
True.
eddie bravo
He was losing to Masvidal.
That was some crazy shit.
Who saw that coming?
bryan callen
Whatever happened with the Robbie Lawler fight, I believe, and whatever it was, whether he tapped or he didn't tap, I believe there are guys in the UFC like that, a lot of guys like that, that would have done the same thing to him and would not have gotten caught in that thing.
I mean, I don't know.
brendan schaub
Ben's grappling was on such a high level.
That's why we wanted to see it.
eddie bravo
You're right.
His striking was a part for sure.
But his grappling is so good that it doesn't matter.
joe rogan
That's why he was there.
He was there because he's a specialist.
I mean, his grappling's off the charts.
And Robbie Lawler, there's no argument whether or not Robbie Lawler tapped.
He definitely didn't tap.
They just thought he might have been out.
eddie bravo
They threw him to the wolves, dude.
Think about the guys they threw.
Robbie Lawler.
bryan callen
That's the same thing about Khabib, though.
Khabib's so formidable because of his grappling and what he's able to do.
joe rogan
Right, but Khabib didn't take any time off like that.
Taking the two years off that Askren took off and being 36...
brendan schaub
Yeah, so people forget he was older, but also when you say thrown into the wolves, it's also like you were a champion from one championship.
Like, you were a former world champion, so when you come over, the UFC ain't playing games.
Look at Eddie Alvarez.
He had a tough go.
Look at Justin Gaethje.
He was 0-2.
You want to come over and you're a world champion, you're getting some dogs, man.
eddie bravo
Anything could happen.
brendan schaub
It just shows you that if you're not fighting the UFC, and I know Scott Coker, I love Scott Coker, if you're not fighting the UFC, it ain't shit, man.
joe rogan
Yeah, here's where I disagree.
Douglas Lima.
I think Douglas Lima might be right up there with everybody else at 170. He might be one of the best in the world.
He might be able to knock out all of them.
brendan schaub
Oh yeah?
joe rogan
Yeah, he might lose.
He might lose, but he might knock them out.
No, you're out of your mind, man.
Lima is world class.
brendan schaub
He's right up there.
joe rogan
When I watch him fight Michael Venom Page, when I watch him fight...
Ryan McDonald?
Yeah, Semtex when he fought Paul Daly.
Dude, he is as legit as it comes.
brendan schaub
Now go through Camaro, or go through Colby's, or go through Woodley's, or Darren Till's past five opponents.
joe rogan
That's true.
brendan schaub
You're not fighting the best day in, day out.
You're fighting one guy who's really good, and then you've got two off.
joe rogan
He's beating the best in front of him, lost to Rory in a very close fight, and then beat him in the rematch.
But what I'm seeing from him is world-class skills and ridiculous knockout power.
He may or may not be able to beat those guys.
The thing is, you never know.
But he's definitely in the conversation.
For me, when I look at ability, when I look at what he can accomplish, even though he's fighting...
He's a big motherfucker, man.
He's got some serious power.
When he KO'd Korshkov, when he KO'd Michael Venom Page, I'm like, he's a monster.
He could KO anyone.
brendan schaub
He's a monster.
And I love Lima.
I have so much respect for him.
But to me, until you're in the UFC and you're in that grind...
joe rogan
Until you're in the UFC. It's true that you can't say he's the best.
That's true.
But you can't say he's not world class.
I think that guy's world class.
brendan schaub
I'm not saying he's not world class, but I can't say, oh, he would beat the UFC's champ or he would be a top five.
joe rogan
You can't say it in that division.
That division's too crazy.
brendan schaub
You can't say it in any division.
joe rogan
Masvidal could beat any 170-pounder alive.
On any given night, he can light up any 170-pounder.
eddie bravo
How do you think him and Usman would go?
joe rogan
So could Usman.
You know, these guys, you gotta realize, humans in fighting are never a flat board.
It's always just like a little wibbly, a wobbly, ankles fucked up, I got a headache, I'm having a hard time, wake up, my girlfriend's fucking with me, I'm getting over the flu.
They're never exactly at the same level in every fight.
So there are guys that are at a level where you catch them when you're up and they're down and you win, or they're up and you're down and they win.
That's real, man.
brendan schaub
Answer John Jones.
joe rogan
In that, John Jones, his wave's so much higher.
The thing is, when his wave goes down, he just hits their best, and then he pops right back up to untouchable levels.
It's just about the size of the waves, but he still waves.
He's got the OSP waves versus the Chael Sonnen waves, where he comes in like a fucking murderer and just smashes.
bryan callen
Or Daniel Cormier in the second fight.
joe rogan
Or when he beats Shogun.
He came in and just smashed him.
He shows that his wave is way higher than everybody else's.
brendan schaub
To play devil's advocate, someone would say the USADA wave.
Hate to be shitty about it.
joe rogan
I don't think that's true.
brendan schaub
I don't either.
joe rogan
I don't think that's true.
brendan schaub
I think he's good no matter what.
I'm just saying, a lot of naysayers say, well, there's the USADA wave and there's that.
joe rogan
Okay, but those people are not following science.
Because if you look at what USADA has shown in the test that he's failed...
brendan schaub
They're not listening to that.
joe rogan
They're talking about entirely...
Not physically active versions of this drug.
It's not having an effect.
What's the word they're looking for?
Physiological doses.
brendan schaub
It's not strong enough.
It's not performance enhancing.
joe rogan
And it mimics what would happen if you have a tainted supplement.
So most likely he's taking dick pills.
Like everybody thinks.
Or taking...
Coke.
brendan schaub
But all they're doing is Coke.
joe rogan
Or taking Coke that has creatine in it.
brendan schaub
All they're doing is going, okay, when you saw it was here, these were the performances.
When you saw it, I'm sorry, when you saw it wasn't there, these were the performances.
joe rogan
I think you have to take into account personal life turmoil.
You have to take into account arrests.
You have to take into account the crash into the woman with a broken arm.
You've got to take into account possible over-partying and all the crazy shit that was going on.
And then suspension.
brendan schaub
I also think a lot of people don't take this into account.
And, you know, I talked to Dominic Reyes about this.
joe rogan
I also thought...
unidentified
Reyes.
brendan schaub
No, Dominic Reyes.
joe rogan
Reyes, the guy who's fighting.
bryan callen
Oh, I'm sorry.
joe rogan
You fucking nutter.
brendan schaub
Please stop.
eddie bravo
Can you imagine someone using sleep as an excuse why they lost?
Bro, I didn't sleep that good that week.
brendan schaub
No, but also for...
But also for Johnny...
eddie bravo
You can't use that!
brendan schaub
People don't take this into consideration.
I also think it's tough for him to get up for the Anthony Smith and the Dominic Reyes.
I think it's tough for him to be like, alright, I fought Shogun, I fought fucking all these superstars.
Rashad, Rampage, Chael, Lyoto Machida, Vitor Belfort.
You go through the whole list.
joe rogan
Let me ask you this.
John Jones versus Francis Ngannou.
eddie bravo
No.
Why'd you have to go there, dude?
joe rogan
What is that?
brendan schaub
That's gonna happen, for sure.
joe rogan
The only thing, the only thing that I would hope, if that ever happens, is that we allow Ngannou to get the press that he deserves.
Like, to pump him up in a way that he deserves.
You don't think he gets it?
brendan schaub
People are terrified of that, man.
joe rogan
They are hardcore fans and hardcore fighters.
Like everybody who's in the know and everybody in the heavyweight division.
brendan schaub
But he's not like a superstar?
joe rogan
He's not a worldwide...
brendan schaub
It's too tough to get superstar status.
You gotta do some shit.
joe rogan
The thing is, if he had beaten Stipe...
eddie bravo
The Derrick Lewis fight fucked him up.
joe rogan
Yes.
eddie bravo
Yeah, that was a hard one.
joe rogan
And the Stipe fight fucked him up, too.
If he had beaten Stipe...
brendan schaub
That would help.
joe rogan
He would be a national hero.
He'd be a huge success story.
In Congo, for sure.
brendan schaub
Well, he's still a hero there.
joe rogan
For sure, yes.
But, I mean, in this country, he would be a hero of, like, the scariest guy in the world was an immigrant that barely spoke English just a little while ago.
And now he's merking people, and he's only been fighting for six years.
And he developed his strength, by the way, in a sand mine when he was a child.
unidentified
Jesus.
joe rogan
Doing child labor in Africa.
What the fuck, man?
brendan schaub
Any of us would be a really nice guy.
joe rogan
He's a great guy.
eddie bravo
He's from Cameroon.
joe rogan
And he's funny.
He's like smiley, funny, happy guy.
And he hits people and they go into orbit.
They go into orbit.
Their soul leaves their bodies so crazy.
brendan schaub
You know what's crazy?
You know what's crazy?
I think John still beats him.
joe rogan
Dude, what a fight that would be.
bryan callen
He does, right?
joe rogan
What a fight that would be.
brendan schaub
I think John would be the favorite.
bryan callen
Does John beat Stipe?
If you had a gun to your head?
eddie bravo
I think John beats everybody.
brendan schaub
There's not a man on this planet who beats John.
unidentified
Wow.
joe rogan
We've never seen John where he doesn't have to lose weight.
We've never seen John where he's not cutting 25 pounds and just fucking watching his diet.
What if he's eating healthy, good large portions and just hydrating as much as he wants all day long?
Maybe he's 10% better.
We don't know.
Maybe John Jones is really the best 240 pound heavyweight in the world.
He's just been fighting the 205. No, but he can get there easily.
brendan schaub
He's 230 easily.
joe rogan
Right, and if he decided that...
Look, he comes from one of the best camps in the world, right?
If Javier Vasquez and Crazy Bob Cook get together, and they come together with a physical plan for a Cain Velasquez, right?
If they're going to look at what's the best weight for a guy like Cain Velasquez, they're probably going to say, you know, you don't have to lose any weight.
brendan schaub
Like 240. 240 is the perfect heavyweight.
Yeah.
joe rogan
Jackson Winklejohn, they're going to do the same thing.
brendan schaub
100%.
joe rogan
They're one of the best camps in the world.
John Jones was raised in one of...
You look at the success...
Just go down the line from Carlos Condit.
Even Yoel Romero went down to Jackson Winklejohn.
bryan callen
He was training with that job.
joe rogan
It's going to be like AKA or like Rufus or like any of the top camp.
They're going to go, where do you think...
brendan schaub
He's going, though.
joe rogan
They're going to go, where are you going to be at?
brendan schaub
Here he said he's going.
joe rogan
I know, but they're going to figure out a weight for him.
bryan callen
The perfect weight.
Even 235. You said Israel Adesande is way bigger than you thought.
brendan schaub
Way bigger.
bryan callen
And he's definitely a better striker, I would imagine.
I don't know about MMA, but that would be an interesting fight.
He's just too small, I think, isn't he?
Isn't he too thin?
joe rogan
Well, he's a solid 30 pounds lighter, I think, walking around than John is.
bryan callen
That's very significant.
joe rogan
But that's why he doesn't want to fight him now.
brendan schaub
He wants him to get older.
joe rogan
Israel can gain weight.
Israel can, you know, if he decides.
Like Canelo Alvarez when he went off to fight Kovalev, right?
Again, same kind of thing.
Canelo Alvarez is a world-class camp.
They figure out how to do this.
They might have used a little Mexican supplements.
brendan schaub
It's not that outlandish.
joe rogan
It's not that outlandish.
brendan schaub
When you see him, you're like, Jesus Christ.
joe rogan
But if he can put on the weight and physically get up to a certain weight.
brendan schaub
Because his skill set, his striking is better.
joe rogan
Well, he's legit world class.
Legit world class.
brendan schaub
Legit world class.
joe rogan
He lost in a title fight to James Willness, and I thought he won.
It was a very close fight.
brendan schaub
The way he did Robert Whittaker.
joe rogan
Yeah.
unidentified
And he looks like he's 6'5".
joe rogan
He's a beast, man.
unidentified
Is he?
brendan schaub
6'4".
joe rogan
But the thing about him and that whole gym, they won Gym of the Year.
Volkanovski, yeah.
Volkanovski, who just became a world champion.
Dan Hooker, who bounced back from the Barboza fight, looking better than ever.
brendan schaub
Nice fight your boy Felder.
joe rogan
That's a crazy fight.
And I think they're in New Zealand, right?
Yep.
Dude, there's a bunch of killers in that camp.
But they would have to formulate a game plan.
They would have to say, okay...
What weight is the right weight?
Are you too big at 230?
Could you be 220?
Are you faster?
When do you have the most cardio?
What's the fucking point of diminishing returns?
My example with Kane was probably not the best example, but I still to this day think of him as probably one of the greatest talents of heavyweight division.
brendan schaub
That's a great example.
joe rogan
It's a great example in his weight, but I don't think he ever concentrated on it.
brendan schaub
He was just like that, though.
joe rogan
He just went at it.
Just trained real hard and was 240. Look at Stipe.
Stipe's a good example.
Here's one, like Marlon Marais.
Marlon Marais, when he fought at 135 against Cejudo and faded, the next fight he came in lighter.
American Top Team is like, listen, let's bring your body weight down a little bit.
Let's figure out what's the right formula here.
And that's why a big camp that has a lot of experience in world title fights and knows, like seeing so many different fights, It's so important because they can look at you and go, Brian, I don't see you as a 70. I see you as a 55. I think we've got to get a nutrition order.
Think about what's happened with Aldo just with the introduction of a nutritionist.
135. He used to have trouble with 45. Legitimately made 35 and looked like a beast and took big shots.
brendan schaub
Some people thought he won the fight.
joe rogan
I thought he won the fight.
brendan schaub
Yeah, that's fair.
joe rogan
I thought he won the fight.
brendan schaub
There's no argument.
joe rogan
It was close.
brendan schaub
It was close.
I can see how you both ways.
joe rogan
But dude, that's all about optimizing all your possibilities.
And then there's guys like Jon Jones who don't have to do that.
brendan schaub
He's so good.
I just want him to go to heavyweight.
I just want him to go to heavyweight.
Because he'll get up for it.
Can you imagine the fucking trailer for him versus Stipe, then him versus Francis Ngannou?
Him and Francis, I'll faint.
They announce that fight, I'll faint.
bryan callen
You just wonder, though, about his brothers being all-stars in the NFL. Hold on.
brendan schaub
When you say his brother, I think, was second in the league in sats, Chandler Jones.
bryan callen
Think about that.
And would you say his brothers are better athletes than John in one way or another?
You can't say that.
brendan schaub
When it comes to what the NFL requires...
bryan callen
Look at how much bigger his other brother is.
joe rogan
That's Chandler and that's Arthur.
brendan schaub
The one on the right's the pro bowler.
unidentified
He's a beast in the NFL. If that guy's training...
bryan callen
He might be the only guy who can beat John Jones.
joe rogan
6'5", 260. He ain't making 205, son.
bryan callen
Oh, no, he's not.
joe rogan
That dude's huge.
bryan callen
Jesus Christ.
joe rogan
But that's phenomenal.
unidentified
But John grew up with those guys battling each other.
joe rogan
Yeah, that's the big thing is that they grew up beating each other's asses.
bryan callen
I guess so.
brendan schaub
That's what John's used to.
joe rogan
Yeah.
brendan schaub
And then the one on the left who's a D tackle in the NFL, I think he's still in it, but he would come in for John's camps and hold John down.
bryan callen
He would?
unidentified
Yeah.
joe rogan
Jesus.
brendan schaub
He would train with John.
bryan callen
Oh, he did?
brendan schaub
Great guy.
joe rogan
He's enormous.
Yeah, there's video and pictures of Arthur training with John.
He's so big, look how big he is.
bryan callen
He's got wide hips.
joe rogan
Oh my god, he's 300 plus.
He's a big fella.
Anyway, so it's a great gene pool he's coming from.
And you know, I have this theory about guys who grow up with brothers that beat their asses.
Like Matt Hughes, one of the greatest welterweights of all time.
One of the things about him is he had a twin brother that was exactly him.
bryan callen
Doesn't Ashwin have a twin brother?
joe rogan
I don't know.
brendan schaub
I don't think so.
joe rogan
Matt and Mark Hughes used to beat the shit out of each other.
Check that out.
bryan callen
I think Ben Askren has a twin brother.
joe rogan
You ever see Joe Lozon and his brother beating the fuck out of each other at a family picnic?
brendan schaub
The Diaz brothers do.
joe rogan
They have an MMA fight in the grass at a family picnic.
unidentified
What?
joe rogan
Yeah.
Family picnic.
They're all hanging out in the backyard of a house.
All the family's around with fucking red cups in their hand, drinking beer.
And these guys are beating the fuck out of each other.
unidentified
Yeah.
brendan schaub
My brother had to go see a therapist.
He'd beat me up so much.
bryan callen
Oh, I'm sorry.
joe rogan
Never mind.
And Max Asperin.
bryan callen
And not twins.
brendan schaub
Definitely not twins.
joe rogan
Definitely not twins.
Yeah, it's like that thing about brothers.
It's one of the ways to make tougher people.
Because you don't get an escape.
Every day that big motherfucker is right next to you and you're like, shit!
And you have to learn, like Chris Weidman, same thing.
His brother bullied him when he was younger.
bryan callen
They did a really interesting study about the fastest people in the world.
All were like either the youngest or second youngest.
brendan schaub
Let me guess, they're black.
bryan callen
Large families.
And they had to keep up with their older brothers and sisters.
There's some...
That's a little bit of bro science, but that is written up in the book.
joe rogan
I think it's in Sports Gene.
bryan callen
It's in Sports Gene or Outliers.
joe rogan
I think it's in Outliers.
Yeah.
It's in one of those.
bryan callen
Yeah.
joe rogan
Where they examine why people are hyper-successful.
eddie bravo
That'd be a good name for a podcast, Bro Science, where it gets out there.
Carte Blanche.
Carte Blanche to talk about bullshit, and you don't have to be an expert on it.
bryan callen
That's what we all do.
joe rogan
We all do that anyway.
We do that anyway.
eddie bravo
Besides Joe, all of us...
brendan schaub
Yeah, that's what we do.
eddie bravo
But if you call it Bro Science, then you have a free pass.
bryan callen
Yeah.
joe rogan
Dude, I do it too.
I don't know half of what I'm talking about.
If you looked at it on a chart, how much of what I'm saying do I actually know what I'm talking about?
brendan schaub
The difference is you'll ask questions.
You'll ask them questions.
We just spit it.
bryan callen
A guy like Lane Norton, I said to him one time, I go, can I give you my theory on nutrition?
joe rogan
No.
bryan callen
Let me just give you my whole philosophy.
And I went off on insulin.
And Lane is so great because Lane just went...
I mean, you know, you're in the general area.
I guess it's kind of like describing basketball as five dudes that run down a court and try to take a leather ball and put it in a hoop.
joe rogan
We should talk, while you're talking about him, he did a very in-depth breakdown of all the things that were incorrect about the Game Changers and incorrect about the documentary debate about the Game Changers between Chris Kresser and James Wilkes.
James Wilkes did a good job because Kresser was wrong about a few things that he called him out on.
bryan callen
He's not a confrontational guy.
joe rogan
James is ready to go.
Well, James is a really smart guy.
brendan schaub
He's really smart, man.
joe rogan
It's one thing that I'd said about him before the podcast when they were talking about other vegan people that are proponents of the diet.
I'm like, you've got to understand, this guy's way smarter than most of these knuckleheads.
There's a lot of people that are using it for self-aggrandized reasons.
Is that the word?
Aggrandizement?
brendan schaub
Grandioso?
joe rogan
No, self-aggrandizing.
What would you say?
Self-aggrandize reasons?
unidentified
I don't know that one.
joe rogan
Anyway, they're just trying to pump themselves up.
What he's doing is, whether he's right or wrong, he has a very firm belief in what he's saying.
He's also very intellectually capable.
bryan callen
He's also done the research.
brendan schaub
And he's not scared.
He's ready to go.
joe rogan
Legitimately.
bryan callen
But there's no doubt that James Willick has done...
joe rogan
Wilkes.
You don't even know his name.
bryan callen
Wilkes.
Jesus Christ.
He's done his...
joe rogan
Peter Pye.
bryan callen
He's done his fucking work, though.
brendan schaub
Dude, he was ready to go.
I was so impressed with him.
joe rogan
Very impressed.
But at the end of the day, when someone like Lane Norton goes over, not just the debate, where they got stuck in the weeds on a couple different issues in terms of the quality of protein and calories.
brendan schaub
They were passionate.
joe rogan
It's just...
It's a long conversation.
It's a long conversation, but really it's better had with someone like Wilkes and someone like Lane Norton.
Because Lane Norton, who's got a legitimate PhD, really understands nutrition, really understands the science of it, and is a full-on 100% science guy.
Now, there's a thing that vegans do where they say, oh, that guy's funded by the meat industry or the dairy industry.
No.
Most studies are funded by some kind of an industry.
That does not automatically mean that the person who put those studies out is a corrupt person.
It's bullshit.
It's a bullshit...
bryan callen
It's a straw man argument.
joe rogan
It's a straw man that they use to diffuse legitimate argument.
bryan callen
I think Chris Kresser should have stuck to his one point, which is you can eat some meat and dairy without dying.
joe rogan
Not just some, man.
Not just some.
You probably eat quite a bit.
brendan schaub
Joe only eats meat.
joe rogan
Listen, but that's just now.
I'm not a good example.
I've been doing it for, like I said, 11 days or something like that in the neighborhood.
bryan callen
How do you feel?
brendan schaub
Yeah, you said you feel great.
joe rogan
Dude, I feel great.
I lost seven pounds.
I lost seven pounds.
I have a full six pack now.
All my gut went away.
I still have a little bit of love handles.
I got a little bit of this right here.
brendan schaub
In 11 days?
joe rogan
In 11 days.
At the end of the month, that'll be gone.
All that love handle shit will be gone.
I'm like 197. My goal is like 190. I lose seven more pounds.
Turns out, I talked to my doctor when I pissed, I broke my leg.
unidentified
Fuck!
joe rogan
Yeah, I have a fracture.
Because I told you, I was like, something's wrong there.
There's a fracture where my knee and my cartilage connect.
brendan schaub
You have to have surgery?
joe rogan
Nope.
bryan callen
Was that from kicking?
joe rogan
No, from falling, skiing.
Some lady wiped out in front of me, and I tried to get away from killing her.
And she just was on a hill, trying to put her skis on, and she just slid right into the fucking trail, last minute.
And I was like, yikes!
And there was kids here, and I was like, fuck!
There was too many people, and I just went down.
brendan schaub
You sacrificed yourself.
joe rogan
I went down, but my knee went...
And my head went...
I banged my head hard.
The back of my head cracked.
And I was like, oh, I don't need that brain damage.
bryan callen
Did you have a helmet on?
Of course.
joe rogan
But it was like...
When I landed, I was like, fuck.
I did not need that.
And then for the rest of the day, I was a little half-dizzy.
But anyway, I was like, man, there's something wrong with my knee.
I did a yoga class, and then the next day it was kind of a little sore, and the next day after that it was sore-er.
And I was like, goddammit, I've got to get an MRI. So I got an MRI today, and there's some sort of a fracture where the cartilage meets the bone.
brendan schaub
So what are you going to do?
joe rogan
I've got to chill.
brendan schaub
You said do nothing to heal on its own?
Small fracture?
joe rogan
It's interesting, because I'm not walking with a limp.
It's very small, but I only feel it when I go all the way down.
Like, if I was doing a squat, ass-to-ground squat, I would feel it at the bottom.
brendan schaub
Yeah, stop doing those, huh?
joe rogan
But I'm not.
It's like, I just was trying, like, is this legit, or am I being a pussy?
You know the thing you have when you get injured?
bryan callen
So, you know, you said this about, I went and got those insoles after you got them for your plantar fasciitis.
Check this out.
Remember what I was always talking about?
I would wake up and I couldn't walk.
My feet, I couldn't move my feet.
I had to warm my feet up.
You're 70 years old.
I would walk like I was 70. I couldn't walk downstairs.
joe rogan
TRT is your friend.
bryan callen
Right?
No, I did those insoles.
I don't have any problems.
brendan schaub
Me neither, dude.
bryan callen
I bounce out of bed.
brendan schaub
My shit's gone, too.
bryan callen
But it dawned on me when you said it on the podcast.
When you said you're playing a freshman, I was like, wait, I've had no fucking problems getting out of bed.
My feet are 100% ever since I had these insoles.
unidentified
Custom insoles.
bryan callen
Cost me 100 bucks.
brendan schaub
You're welcome.
bryan callen
Changed my life.
joe rogan
What are the insoles?
bryan callen
You go to a running store.
brendan schaub
Was it called Runner's Roost?
bryan callen
Yeah, it's in Santa Monica.
I step into a mold, and then you have insoles.
brendan schaub
It takes five minutes, and then they print them out right there.
I put them in all my shoes.
bryan callen
His plantar fasciitis went away.
brendan schaub
Completely gone.
joe rogan
Don't they say that plantar fasciitis, you can also get that to go away by strengthening your feet?
I think doing barefoot exercises.
brendan schaub
I had it when I was fighting and I'd be barefoot all the time.
I used to wear those naked shoes.
I used to do jiu-jitsu, run on the mat to do my conditioning barefoot.
My feet were strong.
joe rogan
But forgive me if I'm wrong, but I think that that is overused.
I think that's the thing that it comes from.
I think plantar fasciitis is like a tendonitis of the foot.
I think it comes from overuse.
I have tendinitis right now.
brendan schaub
Where your heel's at, all the ligaments meet kind of underneath there, and right where it meets, it flares the fuck up.
When you have it bad, you can't walk.
It feels like a hot poker stick going through your heel.
joe rogan
I think it's real similar to tendinitis.
I've had tendinitis on my elbow, and I've had it on my shoulder.
brendan schaub
I'm talking unbearable.
I couldn't run.
I couldn't do anything.
joe rogan
I think it's real similar.
It's gone now.
unidentified
It's gone.
joe rogan
Think about all the shit you're doing running around when you're training.
All that barefoot.
It probably puts a heavy load on your feet.
You probably have to build up to it.
Like a guy...
brendan schaub
But I did it for years.
I was doing that for seven years.
Then on year seven, I got it.
joe rogan
Well, it's probably overuse.
brendan schaub
Yeah, maybe.
joe rogan
Seriously, think about all those years of training.
bryan callen
You used to run a lot, too, and you're huge.
brendan schaub
Yeah, I still do.
joe rogan
I think that's the thing, too.
When you're 260 and you're just running...
brendan schaub
270. What are you saying?
joe rogan
Are you on the beach?
Are you on the beach running?
brendan schaub
What did you say, though?
joe rogan
70?
Yeah, I think I'm 270. 270?
What do you want to be?
It's like goal.
brendan schaub
235. You can do that.
Oh, yeah.
joe rogan
How about you just do this carnivore diet?
brendan schaub
That's what I'm going to do.
joe rogan
Get shredded, son.
brendan schaub
That's what I'm going to do.
I'm going to do it with you.
joe rogan
I'm telling you, everybody's worried about the farts.
unidentified
Me only.
brendan schaub
Meat only, bro.
Red meat for me and Joe, dude.
joe rogan
Why are you scared about that?
bryan callen
Do you get farts?
joe rogan
No, that's the thing.
Not only do I not get farts, first of all, my diarrhea is legendary.
Like, they would talk about it in books.
bryan callen
Do you used to get diarrhea?
joe rogan
No, I do get it right now.
brendan schaub
That's the carnivore diarrhea.
joe rogan
Scholars, scholars in the past, if they encountered this kind of diarrhea, they would assume it was haunted by demons.
You get it now?
Yeah, yeah, yeah.
brendan schaub
You took a photo of your shit?
joe rogan
No, no, no, right now, man.
bryan callen
But that can't be very healthy.
joe rogan
Oh, it's the most healthy.
It's almost healthy.
bryan callen
Wait, hold on.
joe rogan
Stop.
brendan schaub
You cleared out your system.
It's science.
bryan callen
So you're getting diarrhea and you're eating your diet.
joe rogan
No, no, no.
Most of the diarrhea has gone away, but the ferocity that it had.
brendan schaub
The explosiveness, what you're saying.
Sometimes I enjoy it, man.
joe rogan
The way that I describe it, it's like, I do not trust my asshole.
And it was coming out black.
Take a look at that.
bryan callen
Oh, no!
joe rogan
Yeah, that's my toilet.
Meanwhile, peak of hell.
Last week.
Not even.
Not even last week.
What's today?
brendan schaub
Just show me from there, Brian.
bryan callen
Is that the side effect of a carnivore diet?
joe rogan
Yeah, yeah, yeah.
Apparently, what happens is...
unidentified
Tar?
joe rogan
It's just black liquid like ink.
brendan schaub
That's not good, bro.
joe rogan
Like I'm going to write a letter to the president.
brendan schaub
Like you're a squid?
Like you're a fucking ocean squid?
unidentified
Like I'm a squid trying to fucking jolly up some pasta.
joe rogan
There's something about...
bryan callen
When you swim, if a shark comes at you, just shit.
unidentified
Yeah.
joe rogan
There's something about having no carbs.
I haven't had zero.
I've had no bread, no nothing.
brendan schaub
Did you get lightheaded, though?
joe rogan
No.
I haven't had any problems.
unidentified
Wow.
joe rogan
Other than the diarrhea, which is ferocious.
brendan schaub
The black diarrhea?
joe rogan
But the thing about the- Apparently carbs absorb water.
They'll help absorb water and they pump up.
So your body is used to this sort of a balance.
And according to Dr. Sean Baker, I don't know if he's correct, but he's a carnivore proponent, he says that what's got to happen is your colon has to adjust to the fact that you're no longer consuming carbs and your body has to figure out how to deal with all the liquid.
brendan schaub
You lose weight when you're shooting fucking diarrhea out of your ass, man.
joe rogan
That's true.
But I've also been eating probably a diminished amount of calories and by only having one thing.
It's not really one thing because I'm eating a balance between beefsteak and elk and bacon and occasionally I'll have eggs.
You can have eggs.
bryan callen
How's your cholesterol?
joe rogan
I have some salmon.
unidentified
That's what I asked.
joe rogan
You already asked me, fuck.
You're so old.
brendan schaub
No, I asked you that.
joe rogan
I didn't ask you.
bryan callen
Hey, you fuck.
joe rogan
Hey, wait a minute.
I got my blood work done on Monday, and I'm going to get it done at the end of the month, too.
brendan schaub
Brian, you should do carnivore.
joe rogan
But here's the thing, is that dietary cholesterol has very little effect on blood cholesterol, on body cholesterol.
Most of what people have with high cholesterol, a lot of it is genetic, a lot of it is sedentary.
There's a lot of factors.
Diet is one of those factors, and there's also some people that just genetically should never have a high cholesterol diet.
Or a high-saturated fat diet.
Genetically, it's terrible for them.
Just like some people shouldn't eat peanuts or your mom, Brazil nuts.
brendan schaub
Have you heard of that?
You can do a bunch of tests.
My boy Todd Feldman did this, and he found out if you should be fasting, if you should be having carbs, what kind of carbs, what kind of proteins.
It's crazy, man.
It's super intense testing.
bryan callen
We should all go down and do a health nucleus down in...
That's Craig Venter's company down in San Diego.
unidentified
Where's that?
joe rogan
I'm not going to San Diego.
unidentified
No.
For what?
joe rogan
It's La Jolla.
Look, we can go and do a show.
bryan callen
It's a five-hour physical.
They do everything.
joe rogan
It's a five-hour drive, too.
bryan callen
I'm fucking doing it, man.
I can't wait.
brendan schaub
Wait, what's he do?
joe rogan
How is it possible that there's something they can do in La Jolla they can't do in Los Angeles?
brendan schaub
Yeah, how come I can't get my blood work around?
joe rogan
You just know this guy.
bryan callen
They're longevity specialists.
joe rogan
He wants to use you for your Instagram likes.
unidentified
Yeah.
brendan schaub
Hey, and there's no longevity specialists in Beverly Hills, Brian.
joe rogan
Eddie Bravo hasn't talked for 15 minutes.
He's just brewing with conspiracy theories.
It's just popping.
bryan callen
They're just popping in his mouth right now.
Well, they do get a lot of information on you.
They do sell your data.
Your data's being sold left and right all the time.
joe rogan
That's a fact.
bryan callen
A fact.
joe rogan
That's a fact.
bryan callen
Your data's always being sold.
We don't know it.
joe rogan
Yeah, that is a fact.
bryan callen
So maybe Eddie's right at the end of the day.
Maybe it's better to be more like Eddie than me.
joe rogan
He's definitely right about some things.
eddie bravo
Man, that's the nicest thing you've ever said about me.
bryan callen
It's true.
eddie bravo
I appreciate it.
unidentified
Eddie's gotten super quiet.
bryan callen
As I get older, like when I find out we were lied to for 18 years by essentially all the top policymakers about Afghanistan, I think that's...
eddie bravo
I like the way you say Afghanistan.
unidentified
Afghanistan.
eddie bravo
I love that.
bryan callen
It was never a winnable war.
Interesting.
joe rogan
Are you surprised?
bryan callen
No, I'm not.
But I'm naive.
You know what it is?
I'll say this.
Whenever I hear that people at the top are doing things in their self-interest and they're allowing people to die, you know why I don't believe it?
Because I don't think that way and I can't believe people are such assholes.
And I'm not saying I'm an angel.
I'm not saying I'm a better person.
I'm just saying sometimes people are such assholes you can't fucking believe it.
And they're successful for it and they get rewarded for it.
joe rogan
I also think there's people that are doing this and they've been doing this at a time where information, you could hold on to it.
You could have secrets in a way that you can't have secrets today.
I think we're just living in a totally different world.
eddie bravo
Totally.
It used to be that being famous was the greatest thing ever.
And now, being famous, it's not so great.
It's like you're just a target.
joe rogan
It depends.
You still have a voice.
The thing is, if you can take the heat.
eddie bravo
I'm talking about being a famous actor or a rock star.
You're a target.
brendan schaub
Look at the Prince of England.
Him and Meghan Markle.
We're like, oh, we're fucking out, man.
This is too much.
joe rogan
Are they quitting the royal family?
brendan schaub
Yeah, they're moving to Canada.
They're like, we're out.
We want to make money on our own.
eddie bravo
Can you imagine if you're out in a tabloid?
bryan callen
I won't blame them.
joe rogan
Is that what they said?
brendan schaub
Yeah, they're like, you know, the negativity, she can't deal with it.
bryan callen
That guy's a great fucking guy.
He's a regular dude, that guy Prince Harry.
He's a great guy.
eddie bravo
Prince Harry?
Is he from the royal family?
bryan callen
Yeah, he's a fucking person.
brendan schaub
Have you heard this?
He's like, I don't want to do this anymore.
joe rogan
Just the idea of you being a royal.
What the fuck are we talking about?
We in a Harry Potter book?
Is this some Game of Thrones shit?
brendan schaub
It's so strange.
joe rogan
You're not a royal.
That's not real.
That's not real, you fuck.
brendan schaub
She's the richest person in the world, but yeah.
joe rogan
Who is?
brendan schaub
The Queen of England.
joe rogan
No, she's not.
brendan schaub
Eddie Educator.
joe rogan
No, she's not.
brendan schaub
Eddie Goh.
unidentified
Listen to me.
eddie bravo
I don't know who has the most money.
brendan schaub
Eddie Goh.
joe rogan
The people that own the oil.
brendan schaub
You know what I'm talking about.
joe rogan
Listen, people that own oil.
eddie bravo
I don't know if she's the richest.
I don't know.
joe rogan
Listen to me.
People that own oil in the Middle East, there are people that are, there's undocumented wealth because they're not public.
unidentified
Right.
joe rogan
They don't have to be on the fucking Forbes 500. They have trillions of dollars.
This is a fact.
This is an undeniable...
There's people with unbelievable wealth.
You wouldn't be able to understand it.
bryan callen
Vladimir Putin might have that kind of wealth.
joe rogan
He might be.
He might be the richest man in the world.
But the Queen of England can go suck a dick.
unidentified
Eddie, you're not going to throw out any facts for me.
bryan callen
That's the fucking end of the podcast.
joe rogan
I'm sorry.
Fine people of England.
It was just a figure of speech.
brendan schaub
She's a powerful lady.
joe rogan
I didn't really mean it.
eddie bravo
She might be the ruler of the world.
brendan schaub
That's what some people believe.
eddie bravo
She might be.
It might all be coming from her.
joe rogan
Hand that out, Jamie.
eddie bravo
She might be.
She might be the most powerful person in the world.
joe rogan
But the idea of royals is ridiculous, man.
brendan schaub
You know what I'm talking about.
joe rogan
The idea of someone being born into a position of power.
eddie bravo
We're not saying it's logical or awesome.
joe rogan
It's crazy that it's still real.
brendan schaub
The royal family.
eddie bravo
Well, think about this.
brendan schaub
People are so interested in their lives.
joe rogan
Just a bunch of CBD oil.
eddie bravo
Think about how...
What we're seeing now is we're seeing clearly now, clearly, who is above the law.
There are people that can do whatever the fuck they want.
We're seeing it now.
It used to be a myth, conspiracy theory, but we're seeing it now.
Who is above the law?
With all this that's going on with Epstein and all that, and we're seeing how the media is backing them up, too.
How interesting is that?
Hollywood.
Hollywood backing them up.
unidentified
You see...
Wow.
joe rogan
That's the scariest thing ever.
eddie bravo
That's fucking Adam Schiff right there.
joe rogan
They were playing out in the hallways.
They were playing out in the hallways of the jail before they killed Epstein.
unidentified
That's true.
eddie bravo
No shit.
It's scary shit.
joe rogan
It's for Prince Harry just saying, this is nonsense.
I'm still young.
Someone's got to step away from this.
Maybe that would change.
Imagine if that was like the fucking beginning of the pieces that brought down the, what is it, Jenga?
Is that what that is?
brendan schaub
Jenga, yeah, that's Jenga.
joe rogan
Pull out the piece.
eddie bravo
Big shit going on right now.
It's going on right now.
brendan schaub
Think about his uncle.
eddie bravo
Big shit going down right now.
brendan schaub
His uncle with, you know, Prince Andrew?
Yeah.
bryan callen
Well, that's just embarrassing because he was probably banging all the girls.
brendan schaub
Probably is a funny word.
We got pictures.
I mean, we got pictures and the lady coming out.
joe rogan
I think that guy seems a little spectrum-y.
brendan schaub
Yeah.
joe rogan
You know, when he's talking, he seems a little off.
eddie bravo
Dude, that interview.
unidentified
That interview.
eddie bravo
Have you guys seen that interview?
joe rogan
I mean, come on.
You would have to be a little fucked up to grow up as a royal in that sort of environment.
He was a victim, you know?
Imagine, like, you're in Harlem with some crack dealer who wants to take you around, and you're from the royal family, and you're like, oh, where are we going?
eddie bravo
Yeah, yeah.
joe rogan
We're going to the trap house.
bryan callen
Epstein.
joe rogan
Epstein.
eddie bravo
Epstein was tied with the royal family.
Jimmy Savile as well.
Epstein was?
Yeah.
joe rogan
He was tied with Jimmy Savile?
eddie bravo
No, no, no.
Maybe, for sure.
bryan callen
Savile was a celebrity.
eddie bravo
Do you know what Saville, the dark side of him?
joe rogan
There's a dark side?
eddie bravo
Fucked a lot of boys.
Yeah, and he, man, he did a lot of stuff.
joe rogan
I thought there was something darker than that.
I'm like, is there a dark side to the darkest fucking story?
eddie bravo
No, I didn't think, because he's also known as Dick Clark of the UK. He was like this pop DJ. Yeah, but not anymore, man.
joe rogan
Everyone knows the real story about him.
eddie bravo
Not everybody knows who Jimmy Savile is.
joe rogan
Jamie, give me a picture of him.
bryan callen
Look at how disgusting this guy looks.
joe rogan
Look at how disgusting this guy looks.
But Eddie, people in England who know who he is now know.
unidentified
No, in England, but England's this 100th of Earth.
joe rogan
But In England, the people who knew him and grew up with him now know he was a monster and pedophile.
brendan schaub
Damn, he raped 34 women?
eddie bravo
And look who he was typed with.
joe rogan
He raped children.
He raped all kinds of people, man.
He was a monster.
unidentified
Wow.
eddie bravo
And he was a celebrity.
It's the equivalent of, if we found out Dick Clark was fucking all sorts of boys.
joe rogan
It might be even crazy.
eddie bravo
He would be all into raising money for mental hospitals because he preyed on mentally ill people.
joe rogan
Jamie, click on that link that says everybody knew about Jimmy Savile.
What is that?
eddie bravo
Dude, the Jimmy Savile story, that's nine hours, dude.
joe rogan
A former police officer has spoken about some of his colleagues' attitude towards Jimmy Savile in the 1960s, saying that everyone in the force knew Jimmy liked them young.
The ex-officer who wants to remain anonymous...
Was with Leeds City Police in the 1960s.
bryan callen
Was it girls or boys?
joe rogan
Girls and boys.
It was girls and boys.
brendan schaub
I've never heard of him.
joe rogan
He's a monster.
eddie bravo
Is this the first time?
brendan schaub
Yeah, first time.
joe rogan
Famous guy.
But in England.
brendan schaub
That's why I asked Jamie to bring him up.
joe rogan
This is a famous Epstein.
eddie bravo
Imagine if Epstein was a celebrity.
brendan schaub
Oh, wow.
eddie bravo
That he did the same thing.
brendan schaub
But how long ago?
joe rogan
It was the 1960s.
unidentified
60s, 70s, 80s.
brendan schaub
But when did this news come out?
eddie bravo
It came out after he died.
unidentified
After he died.
eddie bravo
But there was a lot of accusations while he was still alive in his 60s and 70s.
brendan schaub
Look at the fucking guy.
eddie bravo
But they would just...
He had everybody.
So nobody was going to indict him.
brendan schaub
Wow.
eddie bravo
You know what I mean?
joe rogan
It was back in the day when you can get away with something like that.
You know?
unidentified
Like...
eddie bravo
Dark.
unidentified
Dark.
bryan callen
How about that journalist who infiltrated the Vatican?
You remember that?
eddie bravo
Nobody needs to infiltrate the Vatican.
The Vatican is what infiltrates.
bryan callen
There's a French journalist who is gay himself who went in to basically interview the priest in the Vatican.
unidentified
Oh, okay.
bryan callen
He said, I'm doing an account of the Vatican.
Well...
You know, he spent a while there.
A while.
unidentified
Years, right?
bryan callen
Yeah, years.
And he came out and basically said in this book, he said, there are a lot of gay priests there and there are a lot of pedophiles.
And both are protecting each other because they don't want each other to get exposed.
brendan schaub
You don't want to out each other.
bryan callen
You tell anybody I fuck boys and I'm going to tell people you fuck guys.
And it's this whole, and it came out in the book.
unidentified
Facts.
bryan callen
It's a real, yeah.
I mean, it's from interviews.
eddie bravo
Well, if you know the history of the Roman Catholic Church, you know, Constantine is a mainstream history.
Constantine, he was a pagan, which can be considered Luciferian.
bryan callen
Frank Bruni, there it is.
joe rogan
Vatican's gay overlords, sensational new book minds, the Catholic Church, sexual secrets.
bryan callen
And he's gay, that guy Frank Bruni.
joe rogan
Will right-wing homophobes exploit it?
Frank Bruni's gay?
bryan callen
Yeah.
joe rogan
Well, for a gay guy, it's got to be a bittersweet thing to know that the gay wizards control everything to do with the Catholic Church.
And they even dress like gay wizards.
eddie bravo
When you look at the history of the Vatican, when you look at the history, Constantine decided to convert to Christianity because the people were leaving.
The people were like, fuck that.
So this is mainstream history.
Constantine goes, okay, I'm no longer pagan slash Luciferian.
I'm no longer ancient Babylonian shit.
We like Christ too.
We're going to do Christ.
This is mainstream.
We're going to start the Roman Catholic Church.
We're going to have a Pope.
He talks to Jesus like, We're going to have cardinals.
They talk to Jesus like once a week.
And then we have the bishops.
They talk to Jesus like once a month.
And then the priests every now and then.
And all of a sudden they created rock stars.
Dudes with power.
The Pope has power.
He talks to Jesus every day.
Cardinals, bishops, priests, right?
So come on back.
We got Jesus for you.
They made Jesus in just like some soup.
joe rogan
You're telling us things we already know.
eddie bravo
No, no.
But what I'm saying is they were never into Jesus.
It was never about Jesus.
joe rogan
We know that.
Yeah.
eddie bravo
Yeah, so, when you look at the Vatican, you're like, man, the Vatican...
joe rogan
Well, Constantine didn't convert to Christianity until, like, before he died.
eddie bravo
No, well, maybe he did, maybe he didn't, but there was always, like, a debate about it.
But there was always a debate, right?
So, when you look at the Vatican, they have a lot of fucking Luciferian shit.
brendan schaub
Look at...
eddie bravo
Look at the Resurrection.
Look at the sculpture of the Resurrection.
Pull that up.
The sculpture.
And you tell me if that's Jesus.
joe rogan
This isn't the Vatican Cathedral.
The sculpture of the Resurrection.
eddie bravo
It does not look like Jesus.
joe rogan
Have you ever been to the Vatican?
eddie bravo
I've seen a lot of videos on it.
joe rogan
You should go.
You should go.
bryan callen
It's amazing.
joe rogan
Just to see it.
It's pretty fucking stunning.
bryan callen
The notion of drinking the blood of Christ and eating it.
eddie bravo
This is their main church.
That does not...
That's supposed to be Jesus right there?
This is supposed...
It looks like a Slayer album cover.
That looks like Hella Waits.
bryan callen
It's an artist rendering.
eddie bravo
That looks like Hella Waits.
Slayer, right there.
So they're saying...
joe rogan
Pull up the...
Go close in on it, Jamie.
eddie bravo
This is supposed to represent the resurrection of Jesus.
How come you couldn't show the part?
How come you didn't show the part where he's in front of a meadow and he resurrected and there's children running in the meadow?
joe rogan
This is an artist.
It's not like the Mona Lisa represents all women.
bryan callen
Yeah.
joe rogan
This is a guy's depiction of it.
eddie bravo
Dude, this is in the Vatican.
This is their main church.
This is the main church.
joe rogan
Eddie, please.
Can I just see what that looks like?
eddie bravo
Come on, man.
bryan callen
It's beautiful.
It's an artist.
joe rogan
It's hell.
Jamie, Jamie, Jamie.
Same picture.
Same picture.
eddie bravo
They chose hell.
joe rogan
Just go back to that same picture.
unidentified
That's as close as I can get.
joe rogan
Oh, okay.
eddie bravo
Dude, they chose the part where he's rising out of hell.
You should have chose the part where he's in the sky with the clouds.
joe rogan
But Eddie, is that what it's supposed to represent?
eddie bravo
Yes.
unidentified
Yes.
eddie bravo
Him resurrecting from hell.
joe rogan
He's coming out of the ground.
It looks like roots.
But those things in the bottom aren't faces, right?
Are they?
eddie bravo
I don't even want to argue.
joe rogan
No, I'm asking now.
I'm not arguing.
eddie bravo
It looks like hell to me.
bryan callen
It's possible the artist felt the same way you did.
eddie bravo
He was like, dude, why don't you use the part where he resurrected and he's over a meadow or something?
bryan callen
Maybe the artist wasn't a Christian.
joe rogan
But hold on a second.
eddie bravo
None of them were.
What is he coming out of line?
joe rogan
Is that the ground?
What is that?
eddie bravo
It's supposed to be hell.
joe rogan
How do you know?
eddie bravo
He's resurrecting from hell.
He went to hell and then he resurrected.
joe rogan
Jesus went to hell?
Why would Jesus go to hell?
That doesn't make any sense.
I don't think that's in the scripture.
eddie bravo
Okay.
joe rogan
What is that image?
eddie bravo
All right.
joe rogan
It looks like hell to me.
eddie bravo
It looks like a Slayer album cover.
joe rogan
The restoration of the statue of the resurrection has become Satan's throne?
unidentified
I don't know.
joe rogan
What is that?
bryan callen
I've never seen that.
joe rogan
Depicts Jesus rising.
Back up, please.
unidentified
It's a nuclear bomb.
joe rogan
What?
Nuclear bomb crater?
These people are crazy people.
eddie bravo
That's the Vatican.
That's the main church in the Vatican.
joe rogan
No, I understand that.
But I don't know what that represents.
You would have to talk to the actual artist.
Like, if the Vatican hired someone to make an art piece about the resurrection, and this is his depiction of it, I don't know how much that has to say about the Vatican's position or about this guy who created it.
eddie bravo
Maybe they're into Jesus.
Maybe I'm jumping to conclusions.
bryan callen
Hey, by the way, I said Frank Bruni's gay.
That's not the guy who wrote the book.
joe rogan
You piece of shit.
bryan callen
Sorry, Frank Bruni.
joe rogan
Frank is out there.
brendan schaub
Son of a bitch.
unidentified
I don't know if he's gay or not, but I shouldn't say it's the author of that book.
joe rogan
I would like to take this time to apologize to the Queen of England.
bryan callen
And to Frank Bruni.
joe rogan
I would like to take this time to apologize to the Queen of England.
This is just figures of speeches we rudely use here in America.
eddie bravo
Serpent.
bryan callen
Apologize to Frank Bruni, too.
brendan schaub
To defend you, though, his picture, he did look gay.
joe rogan
My friend Brian said you look gay.
He just meant handsome.
That's all he meant.
He meant gay like maybe in the Flintstones.
Have a gay old time.
brendan schaub
It's all good.
bryan callen
Come see me at National this weekend.
eddie bravo
I'm down with the Queen.
Queensryche.
Queensryche.
That's one of my favorite all the time.
That's in the Vatican.
That's the Serpent Cathedral.
joe rogan
Yeah, that's dope.
eddie bravo
Come on, man.
That's a serpent.
brendan schaub
You should do a show there, Joe.
eddie bravo
Look at the fangs and look at the eyes.
That is a serpent.
Come on.
joe rogan
Look at the tongue that comes out of the fangs.
eddie bravo
The Vatican's been pretending they're into Christ.
They're not into Christ.
They want to destroy Christ.
brendan schaub
Oh, wait.
That's supposed to be a snake?
eddie bravo
They're trying to destroy Christ.
joe rogan
Oh, I see now.
You don't see the...
eddie bravo
Look at that.
Look at the fangs.
unidentified
I see it.
brendan schaub
Give it up, bro.
eddie bravo
That's the Vatican.
bryan callen
That is the snake.
eddie bravo
How is that Jesus?
How is that Jesus right there?
Where is Jesus?
bryan callen
Is that the Vatican now?
joe rogan
That is the Vatican.
That is a snake.
You know what's the most amazing thing about the Vatican, though?
It's not the satanic shit.
It's St. Peter's Basilica.
St. Peter's Basilica took hundreds of years.
When you're standing in the middle of it, you can't believe it's real, man.
bryan callen
It's incredible.
joe rogan
I mean, go to that upper left corner that you got there, right there, Jamie?
Right there?
Yeah.
When you zoom in on that, can you click on it?
It doesn't click?
bryan callen
It's so amazing.
brendan schaub
What is that?
joe rogan
That's St. Peter's Basilica.
brendan schaub
What's it zoomed in on?
joe rogan
It's a fucking enormous church.
bryan callen
It's so much bigger than that.
joe rogan
It's so big.
It's hard.
eddie bravo
But the snake one, how do we get past that snake one?
brendan schaub
How do we get past that?
joe rogan
Somebody loves snakes.
eddie bravo
Those are the same people that came up with the Big Bang Theory.
joe rogan
Same people who are into butterflies.
eddie bravo
They're the same people who The Hello Waits Cathedral and then the Serpent Cathedral?
joe rogan
They came up with Big Bang tattoos.
eddie bravo
It's the same people, dude.
They're trying to kill Christ.
They're not Christian.
joe rogan
Look at this St. Peter's Basilica.
No power tools.
No power tools.
No fucking cranes.
eddie bravo
Meanwhile, maybe they did have power tools.
unidentified
That's my favorite place.
bryan callen
It's amazing, man.
joe rogan
It didn't even make sense to me.
Yeah.
My whole family, we were walking around.
We barely talked to each other.
Even my kids, who were always super energetic.
brendan schaub
They piped down, didn't they?
joe rogan
Respect.
bryan callen
As a kid, it's the first thing I remember looking at and not being able to get it.
eddie bravo
I feel the same way when I go to the Venetian in Vegas.
I'm like, oh my God.
When I go to the Venetian, I'm like, Jesus Christ.
bryan callen
Then go there and you'll lose your mind.
You won't be able to leave.
joe rogan
Yeah, look at that.
unidentified
Wow.
joe rogan
Look at that.
Dude, looking at...
It's like a Persian's house.
Not anymore.
Looking at it right now is one thing, but looking at it when you're there in person, it's one of the reasons why people were so into believing.
brendan schaub
That makes sense.
joe rogan
It's because it's so bigger than anything you've ever seen in your life that you feel like you have to be humble when you walk in there.
bryan callen
There are paintings that were started by one artist and then finished by another artist because that artist died.
It took him a lifetime and then another guy took him.
joe rogan
Yeah, it's amazing.
eddie bravo
Who gets the credit?
bryan callen
No one.
That's what's interesting about that kind of art.
It was done for God, and it wasn't done...
Nobody signs it, right?
It wasn't about you.
It was about the larger picture.
And that's the difference between architecture back then and architecture today.
Architecture, like, you know, today, it's about the architect.
You see these incredible structures, like, you know...
Whatever it might be, these structures that we go and visit all the time, we don't really know.
It was done by maybe one guy, then another guy.
It was commissioned by a king.
You hear about the king who financed it, you don't hear about the guy who built it.
Because that wasn't the point back then.
eddie bravo
Wasn't it the Freemasons?
bryan callen
No.
eddie bravo
Did they build everything?
joe rogan
No, it was the aliens.
It was the Anunnaki.
According to Big Bang Theory, the expansion of an observable universe began with the explosion of a single particle at a definite point in time.
brendan schaub
Oh, we're going to go there?
joe rogan
We're going to go there, Jamie?
Georges Lemaitre, a Belgian cosmologist, Catholic priest, and father of the Big Bang Theater.
unidentified
Oh, he's a Catholic priest?
joe rogan
So, Big Bang Theory.
So he was a cosmologist as well as being a Catholic priest.
brendan schaub
Do you know that, Brian?
eddie bravo
The Vatican has the biggest telescopes in the world.
They have one called Lucifer.
bryan callen
I don't think so.
unidentified
Think about that.
eddie bravo
They have a telescope called Lucifer.
It's not the biggest telescope.
bryan callen
You've gone too far.
unidentified
You think that's...
eddie bravo
How crazy is that, right?
bryan callen
How about it's real?
joe rogan
That's crazy?
bryan callen
I feel like any's gone too far.
joe rogan
No, I don't think that's true.
I don't think that's the biggest telescope in the world.
eddie bravo
It was the biggest at one time, or it still may be the biggest, but it was the biggest at one time.
joe rogan
Back before the wheel?
eddie bravo
The Vatican?
The Vatican has been...
It's a beautiful place.
I love it.
unidentified
Have you ever been?
eddie bravo
I was born Catholic.
I was born Catholic and I'm all down for the Catholic Church.
joe rogan
You're going to have to wear a wig.
unidentified
I love the Pope.
eddie bravo
I love the Cardinals.
I love the Bishops.
I love all of them.
joe rogan
You're backtracking.
You should go.
You should go.
You should go just to see how weird it is.
bryan callen
Yeah.
eddie bravo
I've seen a lot of it, man.
And I love it.
joe rogan
I love it.
In person, it's strange.
What does that say?
Lucifer instrument helps astronomers see through darkness.
eddie bravo
It's at the Vatican.
joe rogan
I'm trying to tell you.
eddie bravo
You think I'm retarded?
joe rogan
To Arizona.
bryan callen
In Arizona.
joe rogan
The Vatican has an observatory in Arizona.
It's real, Brian.
bryan callen
It's actually...
brendan schaub
I know!
He's not making it up.
joe rogan
Let's see how big it is.
It's amazing that the Vatican would call it...
unidentified
How about Eddie?
eddie bravo
The Vatican is the one behind killing Christ.
joe rogan
Amazing that the Vatican...
It's amazing that the Vatican would have a telescope and they named it Lucifer.
Go to that, click that link.
brendan schaub
Yeah, why'd they name it Lucifer?
eddie bravo
Exactly.
It's an acronym for something, but it just so happens to be Lucifer.
Yes, it is.
joe rogan
Really?
brendan schaub
That's them just...
eddie bravo
That's what they say.
joe rogan
Lucifer stands for something.
eddie bravo
They say it stands for something.
unidentified
It stands for, like, some kind of linear, whatever.
joe rogan
You know what they say?
You better stand for something or you'll fall for everything.
unidentified
Yeah!
brendan schaub
More weed for Brian, man.
joe rogan
What does it say here?
Large binocular telescope.
Make that a little larger for my shitty eyes.
It's an optical telescope for astronomy located at 10,700 feet.
Mount Graham in Pinaleno, mountains of southeastern Arizona, part of the Mount Graham International Observatory.
The LBT is currently one of the world's most advanced optical telescopes with two 8.4, 330-inch wide mirrors, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah.
I don't see any Lucifer in this one.
eddie bravo
It's probably not this one.
joe rogan
Where's the name?
brendan schaub
It's the second biggest telescope, though.
joe rogan
Are you sure that's the name?
They call it Lucifer?
brendan schaub
No.
joe rogan
Go to DuckDuckGo!
Oh, L-U-C-I-A. Originally Lucifer.
L-U-C-I, excuse me.
Large Binocular Telescope Near Infrared Stratospheric Utility.
It's a coincidence!
eddie bravo
It's a coincidence, dude.
It's a coincidence.
joe rogan
But they picked ones.
One letter to you.
They had to change the name.
Eddie, Jesus Christ.
eddie bravo
They had to change it.
unidentified
They picked the L. Yeah, they skipped like four letters.
joe rogan
That doesn't make any sense.
How do they call that Lucifer?
eddie bravo
Exactly.
joe rogan
That's crazy.
eddie bravo
It was a coincidence.
joe rogan
But they only found enough letters for Lucy.
bryan callen
I like that.
Eddie's on to something here, man.
eddie bravo
This is old shit.
This is old shit.
joe rogan
So when was this telescope created?
When was this telescope created?
bryan callen
I don't know.
It's an observatory in...
In Arizona.
The Jesuits were always...
joe rogan
But when?
What's the...
Jamie?
brendan schaub
Scroll up, Jamie.
I think it's on the right there.
joe rogan
Yeah.
2004. That's when they started it.
Imagine being a part of a gigantic religious institution and naming a telescope.
You could say, like, the God-Eye.
You could call it the God-Eye.
eddie bravo
How did that one...
Can you imagine the meeting where the top three names were like, okay, we got Jesus Eye, we got God of Light, and we got Lucifer.
And we got Lucifer.
bryan callen
Lucifer.
joe rogan
How did that one get picked?
eddie bravo
Can you imagine the press conference?
unidentified
By Jesuits.
bryan callen
By Jesuits.
eddie bravo
When they unveiled this telescope at the Vatican and they call it Lucifer.
joe rogan
How did that get picked?
What a weird conversation that must have been.
bryan callen
How did that go down?
eddie bravo
There had to be one guy opposed to it.
At least one guy.
joe rogan
What are we saying?
eddie bravo
Lucifer!
joe rogan
Lucifer's the Antichrist!
eddie bravo
I know it sounds crazy, but look.
L. Lucent.
U. Universe.
C. Cosmology.
bryan callen
It's a bulky name, too.
eddie bravo
I. Interstellar.
joe rogan
F. Forever.
eddie bravo
E. Earth.
unidentified
our radius of earth come on man we dig it it's easy we dig it it's easy and we dig it ah Lucifer but it's Satan but it's not Satan It's not Satan.
eddie bravo
It's Lucifer.
It's an acronym.
It's true.
But we are the house of God and this is Lucifer.
It's his enemy.
It's a coincidence.
bryan callen
It's a coincidence.
joe rogan
You didn't know it was there, right?
bryan callen
I didn't know it was there.
joe rogan
How did the Vatican...
Relax, the Vatican didn't name a telescope Lucifer.
Okay.
This is from Catholic God.
But wait a minute.
eddie bravo
This is the damage control right here.
joe rogan
Why was the Vatican named his telescope in Arizona Lucifer?
I'm a proud and devoted Catholic.
unidentified
Blah, blah, blah.
joe rogan
Answer.
The Vatican did not name a telescope Lucifer.
The Vatican Observatory shares...
Space, no pun intended, with other organizations and groups.
The Vatican Observatory does not own each piece of equipment, nor can it give official names or nicknames to things it does not own.
Another group installed a telescope and nicknamed it Lucifer.
That would be hilarious if you had a telescope right next to the Vatican's telescope and you named yours Lucifer.
bryan callen
It's like, oh my God, Max Planck.
joe rogan
We have the vision of God to the heavens to prove the gospel.
We're in hell!
eddie bravo
And meanwhile, okay, what about the serpent cathedral with the fangs and the snake eyes?
joe rogan
It's a coincidence.
eddie bravo
What about the resurrection sculpture?
joe rogan
Well, you know, the serpent was the reason why we're human.
eddie bravo
What about Constantine was pagan and said, and even the mainstream history says that he never converted.
That's mainstream.
unidentified
So if he never converted, he said he didn't convert.
It was a political decision.
eddie bravo
Yeah, exactly.
So, one theory, and it's either one or the other, he actually did convert to Christ, or he just said that for political purposes, but meanwhile he was still pagan.
Right?
It's one or the other.
And then you start looking at the Vatican.
You're like, man, they're the ones who are creating the stuff that turned people away from the Bible.
They created the Big Bang Theory.
If you believe in the Big Bang Theory, you're like, how could the Bible be true?
How could Jesus be in charge of the Big Bang Theory?
bryan callen
You can be religious and scientific too, right?
eddie bravo
Yeah, but it's part.
You're right.
You're right.
But if you were trying to kill religion, you want everything that's opposite of the religion, right?
Because religion, the Bible tells you that we're on a special place.
joe rogan
Wait, wait, wait.
Are you saying the Catholic Church trying to kill religion?
eddie bravo
I didn't say that.
joe rogan
Is that what you're insinuating?
This doesn't make any sense.
bryan callen
Eddie, this has become a sacrifice.
joe rogan
Don't hack off any dicks.
Let's wait till the pizza arrives.
eddie bravo
I never said that.
joe rogan
Wait till the pizza arrives.
eddie bravo
Catholicism.
joe rogan
Heavyweight division.
bryan callen
I got a little excited about that.
eddie bravo
The Catholic Church loves Jesus.
joe rogan
Bro, what happens to the heavyweight division?
Damn, dude.
Do you think Steve Hay retires?
Stipe's having injury issues.
bryan callen
Is Stipe Catholic?
joe rogan
It won't heal.
Well, he's Croatian.
eddie bravo
Okay.
joe rogan
I don't know what that means.
I don't know.
That's a lot of Europeans are Catholic.
bryan callen
Might be Orthodox Christian.
Serbs are Orthodox Christian.
unidentified
I think France is going to be your champion on 20. Well, what about Rosenstruck?
joe rogan
Jarzino is a fucking monster, man.
That is a crazy fight.
Between those two heavyweights?
brendan schaub
I don't think he's ready for Francis.
joe rogan
We don't know.
The way he knocked out Alistair and broke his face in half?
brendan schaub
With three seconds left.
joe rogan
Yeah, but he did.
brendan schaub
He did, for sure.
joe rogan
Alistair fought a smart fight, and we just had one mental lap.
brendan schaub
Did you see what my boy Francis did, Alistair?
joe rogan
Yes, he did.
Yes.
But you also have to take into consideration Alistair is fighting smarter because of that fight.
I mean, Alistair's a clever guy.
He keeps learning.
The most clever.
As weird as it is, that guy hasn't been diminished by so many KOs.
brendan schaub
He's been KO'd more than anybody in UFC history.
joe rogan
I don't think there's a guy that I can name.
Maybe like Peter Aerts.
Peter Aerts was KO'd some ungodly number of times.
brendan schaub
He had a ton of competitions, though, so it makes sense.
But Alistair, you don't see any signs.
Dude, sharp as a tick.
joe rogan
It's weird.
Tick.
Ticks aren't that sharp.
Well, they are sharp.
brendan schaub
What kind of tick do you have at your house?
joe rogan
Sharp ones.
brendan schaub
Okay, well, I'm just making sure I'm not so high.
joe rogan
I think...
I don't think Rosen strikes anybody to be taken lightly.
He could beat anybody.
brendan schaub
I don't either, but it's also like, Jesus, man.
joe rogan
They're both giant, too.
brendan schaub
You just go from 0 to 100 with them.
joe rogan
Well, who knows, man.
Look, the shots that he took from Alistair, he walked them off like they were nothing.
That was one of the craziest aspects of that fight.
Like, leading into the fifth round, he was acting like Alistair Overeem, former K-1 Grand Prix champion, former Strikeforce champion, former Dream champion, one of the best heavyweights, really, ever.
If you had a 20-list of all-time great heavyweights...
He's top 10. He's on both kickboxing and MMA. 100%.
brendan schaub
Hall of Famer.
joe rogan
And Rosenstreich is just walking through his shots.
Picks his time and then closes the show in the last round with like a few seconds to go.
brendan schaub
You ain't walking through Francis' shots.
unidentified
No.
joe rogan
No.
It's a different thing.
It's a different thing.
Will he fight the same way?
Will he fight that way against Francis?
unidentified
I don't know.
brendan schaub
We don't have enough on him.
joe rogan
I don't know.
I'm interested though.
I want to see.
brendan schaub
Me too.
I think it's fun.
joe rogan
Francis to me is the scariest knockout artist the heavyweight division's ever seen.
I don't think there's anybody that comes close.
He puts people in orbit.
That left hook on Alistair Overeem, that punch is unlike anything I've ever seen in all my years of watching fighting.
brendan schaub
That was so brutal.
joe rogan
So brutal, and it seems like no incredible speed and mass.
brendan schaub
You know what's interesting, though, is Stipe did take him.
If you go back and watch the Stipe fight, I was there in person.
Stipe ate his shots and beat him, man.
joe rogan
Well, he never caught him that clean like he did with Alistair that one time.
brendan schaub
He caught him two or three times.
joe rogan
Pretty fucking tasty.
bryan callen
Stipe has the biggest head I've ever seen on a human being.
joe rogan
Stipe's also good at rolling with shit.
eddie bravo
You get that VIP ticket?
brendan schaub
What's up?
eddie bravo
For that fight you're talking about?
joe rogan
Yeah.
bryan callen
At the UFC? Yeah.
Connor Cowboy?
brendan schaub
They don't hate me.
eddie bravo
I thought they hated you.
brendan schaub
No, man.
eddie bravo
They love you now.
You and Dana, you hug?
joe rogan
We're not going to work it out.
eddie bravo
Have you hugged Dana yet?
brendan schaub
No.
eddie bravo
That's a no.
joe rogan
I'm going to get a group hug going.
brendan schaub
Dude, you need to hug Dana.
I need to hug Dana.
eddie bravo
Dana's the godfather.
brendan schaub
There's no hate for anybody.
eddie bravo
Come on, man.
brendan schaub
No, they don't hate me.
bryan callen
Dana's super wealthy now, so it seems like it's fine.
unidentified
It's different.
joe rogan
It's different once you're wealthy.
What other divisions we got here?
You know what's interesting, man?
Jared Cannoneer and Robert Whitaker.
Ooh, that's coming up, too.
brendan schaub
My thing, that's a good fight.
My thing is, what are you going to do with Till, though?
Because I thought, because, you know, Stylebender said he wants Yoel Romero, then you got Till just hanging there.
He just beat Kelvin.
joe rogan
Well, I think they're setting up Stylebender and Yoel Romero.
That's what I'm hearing.
brendan schaub
That's what I heard, too.
joe rogan
My position, and this is not, no disrespect, my position that Yoel Romero was the uncrowned champ, Yoel Romero, I think, beat Whitaker in the second fight.
Me too.
But Boracina, that guy scares the fuck, but he's all injured.
He's got a bunch of injuries.
brendan schaub
But you don't think Paulo Costa beat Yoel Romero in that fight?
joe rogan
No, no, I do think he did.
So why would Yoel Romero be the champ?
Because, no, no, no, no, no.
Yoel Romero was the champ coming from the Whitaker fight.
I really believe he beat Whitaker in the second fight.
brendan schaub
Interesting.
joe rogan
He hurt him.
Back.
unidentified
Twice.
joe rogan
For sure.
If you give those 10-8 rounds, he wins the fight.
And I think he should have gotten him.
I think he had him on Queer Street.
brendan schaub
Judge is so crazy.
joe rogan
It is so crazy.
Whitaker, and he was also over there, Whitaker was never in a position where he had Yoel Romero even remotely hurt like that.
Never had him in danger.
You know, obviously, Whitaker loses to Stylebender in spectacular fashion, but when I see Yellow Romero against Paulo Costa, I go, well, Costa, obviously, is next in line for a shot at the title.
But then Costa gets hurt.
Did you lose your plug?
It's right there on the floor.
Right there.
Costa got hurt.
You know, so Costa's, like, had a couple surgeries.
I think he's had bicep surgery.
I think his bicep detached.
I think his...
What happened...
See with Paulo Costa.
He, to me, is one of the most promising guys in the division.
Motherfucker never gets tired.
He's got a face like a...
Goddamn fire hydrant.
brendan schaub
When he beat Yael Romero, I thought he was good.
I was never that high.
When he beat Yael, I'm like, Jesus Christ, that boy is good.
joe rogan
He beat Yael Romero and walked him down.
brendan schaub
Yeah, didn't give a fuck.
joe rogan
Didn't give a fuck.
brendan schaub
He's a problem.
bryan callen
He's so fucking muscular.
joe rogan
He's so big.
He's so big for 185. You're like, how is he?
brendan schaub
He looks like a young Vitor.
bryan callen
How does he not get tired?
joe rogan
Dude, when I stand next to that guy, A setback will recover from bicep surgery.
He won't be ready to fight until spring.
Yeah.
So that's a serious one, man.
When your bicep tears off your bone.
brendan schaub
That's a problem.
eddie bravo
That's happened to mine.
It didn't tear off, but it was coming off my shoulder.
It was coming off, and I had to re-strap that motherfucker back.
brendan schaub
How about your boy Staubender called out, Yoel, though?
joe rogan
Well, he wants to fight him because he's the scariest guy.
He's like, I got to fight that guy because that guy's the guy.
brendan schaub
Staubender's old school.
unidentified
Yeah.
joe rogan
And also, he looks at him stylistically.
He wants to find out if he can stop that fucking wrestling and that power.
Yoel is a freak.
bryan callen
Yoel never uses his wrestling.
joe rogan
Probably because he gets tired.
He's 50 years old.
brendan schaub
Legit 50 years old.
joe rogan
We don't even know how old he is.
brendan schaub
He might be 55. That's what's impressive.
joe rogan
But he was so funny.
eddie bravo
What's the official word on his age?
joe rogan
47. 41. 47. When he was here, he was talking about Cuba.
eddie bravo
Not conspiracy theory, not YouTube shit.
joe rogan
They always assume that Cubans are fudging their age a little bit.
But that's like a stereotype that's been going on since the Olympics.
From fucking to Phil O. Stevenson.
But when he talked about, when Yoel Romero would talk about genetics and his physique, he's like, Go to Cuba!
brendan schaub
Walk around!
joe rogan
He goes, everybody look like me.
It's true, man.
They got crazy genes, man.
Think about how many world-class boxers, world-class wrestlers, world-class judo people.
eddie bravo
Hector Lombard.
joe rogan
Hector Lombard.
brendan schaub
They're small players.
They get some freaks, man.
eddie bravo
I ran into him at that Quintet Ultra show.
Hector Lombard.
Dude, I love that guy.
That guy's so fucking hilarious.
joe rogan
The fight is done.
Israel Adesanya confirms he is set to defend the middleweight title against Yoel Romero.
What's the date on that?
They have a name, date, and venue.
bryan callen
Yoel has trouble making 85 or no?
joe rogan
Yes.
bryan callen
He does.
brendan schaub
He's missed weight.
That's why he wasn't a champion.
joe rogan
I mean, he struggles.
He struggles a little bit.
But, I mean, that's when he knocked out Luke Rockhold.
He should have won the title.
brendan schaub
Yeah, but he missed the weight.
joe rogan
But he didn't have the weight.
brendan schaub
I think Stylebender, though...
I like Stylebender's chance in that.
joe rogan
Hey man, you know what?
I do too.
I think Stylebender is clearly one of the best middleweights we've ever seen.
eddie bravo
Dude, his striking is...
To me, I see...
When you see Usman, you see a Terminator.
He's going through, motherfuckers.
When you see Stylebender, you see like Bruce Lee.
brendan schaub
He's the head of the game.
eddie bravo
AI, motherfucker.
bryan callen
Stylebender, though, it's very subtle.
You actually never see him get...
Nobody gets a shot off and clear.
joe rogan
But not clean.
Oh, yes, he did.
bryan callen
No, no, no, that's true.
No, I did.
I saw that.
His face was awful.
That's true.
brendan schaub
Hit the showers.
bryan callen
That is true.
That is true.
Gaslam, for his physicality and his size and what he's working with, is another one of those guys like Daniel Cormier who's so impressive.
joe rogan
Gaslam's a tank, man.
eddie bravo
He needs to be a 170, I think.
joe rogan
I think so, too.
I think he needs a really good...
eddie bravo
A 170?
joe rogan
He needs a real nutritionist.
brendan schaub
He needs to not get so big outside of the fight.
eddie bravo
I think at 170, Kelvin just runs through motherfuckers.
unidentified
He might be the world champion at 170. I think he'd be world champion at 170. I believe that.
joe rogan
We just have to get him weed.
It's like we're a plan.
But if someone did get him to a real nutritionist and he did it Jose Aldo style where he took his time and did it over a long period of time correctly.
Where is he trained?
eddie bravo
It's hard for Mexicans.
joe rogan
Because we love food.
unidentified
Eddie loves food.
brendan schaub
Eddie's one of his coaches.
bryan callen
Oh, you are?
eddie bravo
He's a 10th planet black belt.
bryan callen
He's phenomenal, man.
eddie bravo
Yeah.
brendan schaub
He'd be champion.
eddie bravo
He trains at King's MMA and then his jiu-jitsu trains with Victor Davila, one of my other black belts.
bryan callen
He was at the comedy store last night, I heard.
unidentified
Who?
joe rogan
Was he?
unidentified
Calvin?
eddie bravo
Oh, Calvin loves comedy store, yeah.
He's always there.
joe rogan
He's a great guy.
He's a great guy as well as a great fighter.
bryan callen
He's so tough, though.
eddie bravo
The nicest guys ever.
Of all time.
bryan callen
He's so shockingly tough though.
Like I look at his body, I look at him and I go...
eddie bravo
Zero fear.
bryan callen
There's no reason he should be that tough.
There's no reason he should be able to hit guys who are that much taller.
And he's just, he's astonishing to me.
eddie bravo
Yeah, zero fear and just the nicest man.
Like when he fights, there's no anxiety ever with him, dude.
Never.
He's just, he loves it.
He loves it.
He's like Tony.
Like Tony, him and Tony just go out there.
brendan schaub
You haven't started camp though for Tony, right?
Not yet.
eddie bravo
Not quite.
brendan schaub
He's always training, but you haven't started camp.
eddie bravo
He's always training, but...
brendan schaub
I swear to God, if one of those two get hurt, man, I'm going to freak the fuck out.
joe rogan
What does Tony do when he's not in camp?
eddie bravo
He's training every day.
joe rogan
What's going on with your phone, bro?
Your government recording house?
unidentified
No.
I just have my phone on.
eddie bravo
Tony's always training.
He's training every day, man.
He's just...
He does...
I mean, that's...
His secret weapon is that...
That's his default setting, is train, do cardio, do some kind of shit.
He's doing something every day.
unidentified
He loves it.
eddie bravo
Yeah, yeah.
joe rogan
Those are the guys that never get out of shape.
brendan schaub
Dude, how about your boy Volkanovski?
joe rogan
What about him?
brendan schaub
He's a monster.
joe rogan
Oh, he's a beast.
unidentified
He's a guy who beat Max Holloway.
joe rogan
Max Holloway.
I'm really curious to see...
Just please, go take a leak.
brendan schaub
Hit the fucking showers.
bryan callen
I'm sorry, I'm bad with the Russian name.
joe rogan
Who beat Uriah?
bryan callen
The Russian guy.
What's his name?
joe rogan
Piotr.
Piotr what?
bryan callen
Piotr...
Vasilyan.
joe rogan
Jan, you piece of shit.
eddie bravo
It seems like more and more Russians are coming in and fucking people up, right?
joe rogan
That's going to be like...
They're built different, man.
They have extra tendons and shit.
bryan callen
They're harder.
eddie bravo
Is there a big heavyweight Russian that has a promise?
joe rogan
No one that stands out where you look at him and you go...
Well, Usyk in boxing.
What do you think about Usyk moving up to legitimate heavyweight?
brendan schaub
I think he's going to fuck dudes up.
joe rogan
You think so?
brendan schaub
I think people are scared of him, yeah.
joe rogan
I'm really interested to see him when you get to the top of the heap.
brendan schaub
I think he's going to get him problems.
bryan callen
Isn't he too small for those guys?
brendan schaub
Nah, he's so talented, man.
unidentified
There's no Drago guy like this ferocious guy?
brendan schaub
He's going to be the close thing.
He's going to be a problem.
joe rogan
He's had one fight at heavyweight.
brendan schaub
One fight at heavyweight.
joe rogan
And then they're already moving him into title position.
brendan schaub
Oh yeah, he's there.
bryan callen
I don't know.
eddie bravo
Can you imagine a Khabib at 205 or a Khabib at heavyweight?
joe rogan
I think Khabib is going to fight at 170 before he's done.
I really do.
I think he's going to fight where he doesn't have to worry about cutting weight.
brendan schaub
It'd be him and St. Pierre at 70 then.
joe rogan
Because he's not fighting just the boys at 70. Well, they would meet at 65. I think St. Pierre said that he could legitimately get to 65 and they could do a catchweight fight.
brendan schaub
Khabib would go to 70 though, I bet.
joe rogan
Yeah, so he's...
Doing a lot of water exercises.
He puts these...
GSP puts these things on his hands and his feet.
He does all these crazy water...
brendan schaub
I used to do it with him.
joe rogan
Yeah?
brendan schaub
How was it?
We used to do it in Laguna Niguel.
It'd be our workout.
We'd be in the pool for an hour.
And he has these things.
It's just like...
eddie bravo
You're doing sprints?
brendan schaub
No.
It's almost like you grab these handles.
unidentified
There he is.
joe rogan
Joseph Pierre.
eddie bravo
And what does it do?
brendan schaub
It's a workout.
For your shoulders, your conditioning, it's a fucking beast.
joe rogan
Give me some volume on this so I can hear what he's saying.
Can we get some volume?
eddie bravo
Damn!
What are those things he has in his hands?
unidentified
And also improve the core strength.
So what I'm going to do is I use the pool.
I try to be in a place where it's not too deep.
georges st-pierre
If the depth of the pool is not good enough, like this right now, I try to submerge myself to the shoulder.
unidentified
Then what I do is I make a punch and I go with pronation and supination at the same time as I'm doing it.
I focus on pushing but also on schooling.
bryan callen
That's not easy.
eddie bravo
That's why he's got a stiff jab.
unidentified
That's the jab right there.
brendan schaub
There's also no punishment on your bones or body.
joe rogan
That's cool.
You say 230 or 240, so he does 230 of those?
bryan callen
One thing I noticed about him is his fucking legs.
He's got huge legs.
I saw him in jeans.
eddie bravo
Don't look at his legs, dude.
joe rogan
Bro, how about that video I sent you of that guy live-streaming the war?
bryan callen
Oh, Jesus Christ.
That depressed me.
joe rogan
Jamie, do you want to see this?
brendan schaub
I thought, what the fuck, man?
joe rogan
What kind of world are we living in?
brendan schaub
The guy's just like, yeah, howl, howl, boom!
bryan callen
What was that like?
brendan schaub
Hey, were those Americans?
eddie bravo
When was that?
joe rogan
I don't think so.
If it's not like 10 years ago or something?
No, I think there's real reason.
I don't know.
I don't know.
I'm going to send it to you right now, Jamie.
brendan schaub
You haven't seen it?
Oh, you saw it, right?
It was in the Groot chat.
unidentified
Yeah, I saw it.
brendan schaub
It was fucked up, dude.
eddie bravo
That shit could be easily fake these days now.
joe rogan
Oh, Eddie, Jesus Christ.
eddie bravo
No, they got apps where people can blow shit up now.
joe rogan
Right, but I don't think that was fake.
eddie bravo
$2.50.
joe rogan
We also have dudes who are actually fighting in a war who have cell phones.
And they're actually getting cell phones.
Watch this.
Look behind.
Look behind.
Bro, that shit is real as fuck.
Real as fuck.
I just don't know if this is American troops.
bryan callen
Probably.
joe rogan
Does it say Jamie?
I hope they didn't.
You'd probably be better off without your seatbelts.
eddie bravo
Is that American or what is that?
joe rogan
I don't know what that is.
bryan callen
Jesus Christ.
The guys who got hit look like they were probably not on our side.
joe rogan
I don't know.
bryan callen
That looks like an IED or something.
eddie bravo
Damn.
joe rogan
I just hope nothing happens with this Iran shit.
eddie bravo
Nothing's going to happen.
Nothing's gonna happen.
joe rogan
Oh, well, now that Eddie said it, I know you've kept the press.
bryan callen
I don't think it's in Iran's vested interest to really do something serious.
unidentified
You know what?
eddie bravo
I mean, we talked about this earlier.
What actually happened is when they bombed, when Iran, like, they swore revenge.
They raised their red flag.
And they were gonna bomb.
brendan schaub
Twice, man.
eddie bravo
They bombed and they killed nobody.
But in their media, they reported that they killed 30 Americans.
So it looks like a real retaliation.
brendan schaub
That's what it's all about.
bryan callen
Gotta rattle swords.
eddie bravo
When it all comes down, dude, we're surrounding, we got military bases all around.
bryan callen
What are they gonna do?
I feel like if the intelligence hadn't come back, that there was something imminent, that this guy, we knew this guy was, he was in Baghdad.
He wasn't doing things that were in our interest.
eddie bravo
No, no.
bryan callen
And we do know that, going back to actually Bush 2, we know that he was the mastermind of a lot of this sort of international.
eddie bravo
Yeah, he needed to be taken out.
bryan callen
Controlling Hezbollah, trying to set up those kinds of states and all these other states.
eddie bravo
If Trump wouldn't have taken him out, then the loony left would be going after him for not taking him out.
bryan callen
Well, here's the thing also.
Trump has been very disengaged with the Middle East.
He's like, I don't want to be involved in the Middle East.
brendan schaub
Do you want to pull the troops out?
bryan callen
In a lot of ways, I agree with this policy.
And I think that Iran got emboldened and started becoming more active in the spheres of influence that we are trying to do.
eddie bravo
Well, what happened was, because they made a lot of deals while Obama was in office, and Trump was, like, reneging on all that.
He's like, who made these stupid-ass deals?
So Iran's like, fuck you!
I thought we had a deal!
Trump's like...
Fuck that deal.
That deal goes against the United States.
So fuck all that.
That's what's going on.
So the rumor is that the president of Iran wasn't getting along with Soleimani anyways.
So Trump said...
brendan schaub
I got you, fam.
eddie bravo
Let's take them out.
I'll do you a favor.
I look like a bad motherfucker.
bryan callen
It's possible.
eddie bravo
And then you say, we're going to get revenge.
You bomb a base that has nobody.
That's very interesting.
unidentified
You claim that there's 30 people and everybody in Iran goes, oh, we got revenge.
bryan callen
I can see that.
eddie bravo
And then everybody's fine.
bryan callen
I can see that.
eddie bravo
Nobody wants World War III. Seems legit.
Nobody wants World War III. No.
bryan callen
Nobody.
eddie bravo
Who wants that shit?
joe rogan
Who's working tonight?
You working tonight?
brendan schaub
I'm working tonight.
We're on the same card, right?
joe rogan
We're on the same show.
bryan callen
I gotta go see my kids first.
brendan schaub
Me too.
I gotta put my son to bed.
joe rogan
None of you bitches are going anywhere.
We just got started, dude.
We talked about three fights.
eddie bravo
It's 6 o'clock.
You don't have nowhere to be.
Oh, I gotta do a 7-15 show.
joe rogan
No, no, I gotta put my son to bed.
Um, Cejudo's vacating the flyweight title.
So our boy, Joseph Benavidez, finally gets a title against a Brazilian gentleman who, uh, pull up his name, Jamie?
I don't want to fuck up the pronunciation.
brendan schaub
It's tough to remember any flyweights.
bryan callen
Can we talk about Connor and Cowboy, please?
joe rogan
We already did, but you weren't here.
eddie bravo
You messed it, dude.
brendan schaub
And I talked to Luke Thomas about it for an hour straight.
eddie bravo
It can go either way.
Maybe, I mean, who the fuck knows?
joe rogan
Figueredo.
Yeah, that's right.
Davidson Figueroa.
brendan schaub
He's a beast.
That'll probably be the last one in the division, huh?
joe rogan
He's a dangerous dude, man.
eddie bravo
You know, Joe Benavita's been training 10th Planet the last couple years.
I don't know if you know that.
joe rogan
Has he been?
unidentified
With Las Vegas?
eddie bravo
Yeah, 10th Planet Las Vegas with Casey Halstead's coach.
joe rogan
Nice.
eddie bravo
Beautiful.
joe rogan
I love Joe as a person.
I'm a big fan of him.
brendan schaub
He's one of my favorite people.
joe rogan
And I feel like, you know, for him, he had an ACL tear, had to go through surgery, came back, and then the title's kind of been in limbo.
brendan schaub
Had a close fight with Henry Cejudo, man.
Split decision, yeah.
joe rogan
Very close fight.
Didn't he win?
brendan schaub
Yes.
joe rogan
He won.
He beat Henry Cejudo.
He's one of the few guys that beat Henry Cejudo.
So, if anybody deserves a shot at the title, it's Joe Benavidez, for sure.
I'm real interested in that rematch between Volkanovski and Max.
eddie bravo
That's happening immediately?
joe rogan
I don't know, but I would imagine you would have a rematch.
brendan schaub
Is that a good thing to make immediate rematches?
Max is telling me, he's like, I need some time, I'm going to rest.
Maybe he wants it now.
They want to do it in Australia.
joe rogan
Listen, Volkanovski wants a rest, too.
brendan schaub
100%.
joe rogan
That was a goddamn five-round war.
brendan schaub
145?
People talk about 55. People talk about 70. 145 in the UFC? That might be the deepest division.
joe rogan
Bro, how about the Korean zombie taking out Frank Jaeger quick?
I was surprised.
brendan schaub
So you got Creon Zombie, you got Yair Rodriguez, you got your boy fucking the hormone monster, Zabit.
eddie bravo
35 or 45?
joe rogan
45. Zabit's the freak.
You also have Calvin Cater, who almost took out Zabit in the third round.
unidentified
Correct.
brendan schaub
Brian Ortega?
joe rogan
But Calvin Cater is now going to fight Jeremy Stevenson.
That's a crazy fight.
Dude, that Calvin Cater is the dark horse.
brendan schaub
He's the dark horse.
bryan callen
He's the dark horse, but Zabit beat him.
No, no, no.
joe rogan
Let me tell you something.
Zabit, if that was a five-round fight, Zabit was in trouble.
brendan schaub
Big trouble.
joe rogan
That third round, he was getting stunned.
brendan schaub
He was on his bike.
joe rogan
You watched the interview, the post-fight interview, which I just watched the whole fight and the interview this week.
And at the end of the fight, he was heaving.
Breathing hard.
He said, I did not expect him to come after me so hard in the third round.
And he took him down at the end of the third round and just held on.
And while he's just holding on, Calvin Cater is battering him from the bottom.
He didn't try to get back up.
He just punished him from the bottom.
And Zabit did zero damage with that takedown.
45 is the best division in the UFC. Fucking dangerous, and he's getting better.
He's getting better and better and better.
He's starched Ricardo Lamas.
He's a fucking beast, man.
eddie bravo
What do you guys think about Bryce Mitchell?
Is he rising at 45, or is it 55?
unidentified
He'd be 55, right?
eddie bravo
The guy who won submission of the year.
brendan schaub
With the Twister?
The Twister, yeah.
He's 55, right?
eddie bravo
Oh, isn't he 45?
joe rogan
How many fights does he have in the UFC right now?
eddie bravo
I don't know, man.
All I know is that he's a twister.
joe rogan
He said he learned it online.
eddie bravo
Did you see his interview with Theo Vaughn?
joe rogan
No, I didn't.
eddie bravo
Dude, you gotta watch that interview with Theo Vaughn.
It's two dudes from fucking Arkansas and Alabama and Louisiana.
It's hilarious.
That's so funny.
He's the Theo Vaughn of the UFC. He's hilarious.
He's hilarious.
I love that guy.
joe rogan
Sugar Sean O'Malley is finally getting back in the game.
eddie bravo
He fought in Quintet Ultra.
joe rogan
He got fucked.
brendan schaub
He's one of the guys that got fucked.
joe rogan
Speaking about getting fucked over, how about Cub Swanson?
Rowing with Jake Shields.
brendan schaub
Did you guys watch that?
joe rogan
His ACL explodes.
eddie bravo
You gotta get on UFC Fight Pass and watch Quintet Ultra.
I canceled the UFC Fight Pass.
You canceled it?
joe rogan
Cub fights at 145. Jake, obviously, when MMA was fighting, he was fighting at 170. He's a way bigger guy.
He walks around at 190. He's probably bigger than that.
eddie bravo
And he had a ridiculous reap.
It was an exaggerated reap on that leg, man.
It wasn't even a reap in between the legs.
It was a reap across the hip.
brendan schaub
And blew Cub's shit out.
eddie bravo
Dude, his leg just blew out.
joe rogan
It was really fucked up.
It wasn't even a submission.
It was in the process of...
brendan schaub
Yeah, he's reaping the leg.
Jesus, man.
joe rogan
It was so bad, he's pop!
And you see him, ah!
And he falls down.
brendan schaub
And then you look in the cub.
joe rogan
Married kids.
Only source of income.
Gonna be out for a year.
eddie bravo
Yeah.
joe rogan
How about that?
How about that?
You're just laying there.
For a grappling match, you just beat Crone Gracie.
And now you're in a position where you're out 100% for a year at 36. It sucks.
brendan schaub
Totally.
joe rogan
I would not fucking do a grappling match if I was a world class MMA fighter.
eddie bravo
Don't say that.
Don't fuck up the grappling scene.
joe rogan
I wouldn't do it.
It's not worth it.
eddie bravo
Edit that out, Jamie.
joe rogan
No, it's not worth it.
I want to apologize again to the Queen of England.
I fell.
I stepped out of line.
I blame it on alcohol and marijuana.
I'm glad marijuana is illegal in your country, ma'am.
eddie bravo
Hey, listen, I will say this.
When the Queen was 19, look her up.
Stunning.
joe rogan
Now it's even worse.
Seriously.
We've sexualized her.
unidentified
Stunning.
joe rogan
Now you've gone too far, sir.
bryan callen
You've pornographized her.
eddie bravo
And she was super nice.
joe rogan
I don't think that world-class fighters should be fucking jet skiing, and I don't think they should be fucking jumping motorcycles over cliffs.
brendan schaub
Cowboy says, hold my fucking beard.
bryan callen
Cowboy does everything.
joe rogan
Cowboy should be able to do whatever he wants.
Cowboy cave dives.
If I was tight with Cowboy, I would say, dude, it's not worth the risk.
Obviously, he doesn't care.
bryan callen
And he would laugh and walk away.
joe rogan
He'll laugh in my face.
That's who he is, man.
He is who he is.
But legitimately, you look at Cub Swanson, that guy just ran into a giant problem that shouldn't have existed.
The position wouldn't have been available in MMA the way it was in grappling.
brendan schaub
That could happen in training, though, with Cub, too.
joe rogan
But he wouldn't be grappling in a competitive manner against a guy who's 30 pounds larger than him.
brendan schaub
Yeah, well...
joe rogan
Jake is so strong.
brendan schaub
At Jackson's, though, I'm sure he worked with big guys.
eddie bravo
It was a freak thing.
joe rogan
It could happen in practice.
It could have happened in practice, but less likely.
It was a freak thing.
It was a freak thing.
eddie bravo
It was a great show, though.
joe rogan
So did Gordon Ryan really retire?
Is that real?
eddie bravo
I think so.
I think so.
joe rogan
Why not, right?
brendan schaub
He should do MMA though, right?
joe rogan
He should.
eddie bravo
All I know is he was on a trip, road trip, doing seminars everywhere, selling out and shit, and then something happened where he decided, he was like, you know what?
Let me slow down and enjoy life.
brendan schaub
What a baller move.
eddie bravo
That's what he said.
That's what he said.
bryan callen
How old is he?
eddie bravo
I don't know.
unidentified
24. Maybe he did some mushrooms or something and realized the best in the world, Brian.
bryan callen
You don't get to go at 24. You're like, all right.
brendan schaub
Yeah, you do, though.
joe rogan
Brian, tell us again about Bohemian Grove.
brendan schaub
Yeah.
joe rogan
Just to fuck up.
unidentified
Fuck off.
bryan callen
Fuck off, man.
joe rogan
Every time we're going to try to make a point, we're going to take a break, right?
eddie bravo
We're going to bring up Bohemian Grove.
You're like, ah!
joe rogan
Come on.
unidentified
Tell us about 24. Fuck that Bohemian Grove.
bryan callen
Hey, I didn't...
That video was very blurry, dude.
unidentified
I don't know.
That was a corn cut.
bryan callen
That was like UFO shit, and he said it was a corn thing.
joe rogan
Yes.
Being retired gives me an opportunity to expand on things I didn't have time to focus on while I was trying to be the best.
Excited to learn.
eddie bravo
You know what?
As far as what he's accomplished in jiu-jitsu, he's done more than most people.
So if he wants to retire, he can retire.
bryan callen
He wants to do other shit.
brendan schaub
I'm out.
Fuck it, dude.
I'm over this jiu-jitsu thing.
joe rogan
I'm gonna go do this.
eddie bravo
You know what he could do?
Seriously, all he needs to do is just open up a school.
He'll have 400, 500 students.
He'll make about 60, 70 grand a month.
And it'll be a nice, easy life.
brendan schaub
He might not want that, though.
Some guys just want to get done with the game.
unidentified
No, no, no.
eddie bravo
He wants to teach.
No, no, he wants to teach.
unidentified
Does he?
eddie bravo
All he's got to do is open a school, he'll have three, four hundred students easy, he'll make 60, 70k a month easy, and he'll just be chilling, just training guys.
joe rogan
That's the easy life.
eddie bravo
He's already beaten fucking pretty much everybody out there.
joe rogan
I have a proposition for you, Brian Callen.
Steve Rinello sent me a bunch of dates.
He wants us to come and do his live podcast.
He offered it to me in Anaheim.
bryan callen
I'll do it with you.
joe rogan
But I was out of town.
Let's fly in somewhere and go do his live podcast somewhere.
bryan callen
Okay.
joe rogan
Just for fun.
bryan callen
I'd love to do that.
joe rogan
Have a good time.
bryan callen
And I want to go hunting.
Now, we can do it in New Zealand.
My boy Joe Janamore offered us that too far.
joe rogan
I don't want to go to New Zealand.
bryan callen
Okay.
joe rogan
You can't bring the meat back.
eddie bravo
You got some connections in New Zealand?
joe rogan
Oh, no, that's not true.
Brian Callen.
eddie bravo
Connections in New Zealand?
joe rogan
You can't bring the meat back from Australia, I think.
I think you can bring the meat back from Australia.
bryan callen
Okay, but listen.
We need to go hunting somewhere.
It's so much fun, and it's sad.
You don't fucking care.
joe rogan
I do care.
bryan callen
You know what?
eddie bravo
Brian, he does care about you.
bryan callen
Brian.
eddie bravo
Can I have that?
Is that the only one you have?
joe rogan
That's the only one I have.
eddie bravo
Dude, that is scary.
joe rogan
That's a legit Aztec-Mexican death whistle.
eddie bravo
I'm getting chills right now.
brendan schaub
I do not like it.
eddie bravo
Like some dark, evil spirit just intrigued my soul.
brendan schaub
Hey, for reals, I'm leaving, though.
I've got to put my kid to bed.
I have to before he goes.
joe rogan
Is everybody leaving?
bryan callen
I'm leaving because I'm going to go to Nashville tomorrow.
Come see me at Nashville.
brendan schaub
No, you've got a show tonight with me at the store, bro.
joe rogan
What time is your show?
Tonight?
brendan schaub
We're on the main room at 8?
joe rogan
Oh, okay.
Main room at 8. Who's doing that?
Whose show is that?
bryan callen
Josh Adam Myers.
joe rogan
Okay.
I will...
I'll keep going with Eddie for a little bit.
You guys get out of here.
bryan callen
Come see me in Cleveland at the end of the month, too.
joe rogan
I'm going to convention the world is round.
bryan callen
Hilarities.
joe rogan
Oh, do it.
eddie bravo
Oh, shit.
joe rogan
I'll see you guys next time.
bryan callen
Go to my website and talk about my dates.
brendan schaub
I'm in San Jose next week.
eddie bravo
How's your show doing?
Your show doing good?
joe rogan
Yeah.
BrianCallum.com.
bryan callen
tfatk.com.
B-R-Y. West Palm Beach Improv.
joe rogan
Oh, when are you there?
bryan callen
On their Valentine's Day.
Oh!
In Cleveland, I'm at Hilarity's.
joe rogan
I love that place.
January 30, 31. Hilarity's the shit.
eddie bravo
Is that Fort Lauderdale?
West Palm Beach?
bryan callen
Yeah, I know.
eddie bravo
You can take that Lolita Express right there.
bryan callen
West Palm.
unidentified
Okay.
bryan callen
I fly in.
It's right there.
joe rogan
BrianKown.com.
bryan callen
All these guys are opening for me.
joe rogan
tfatk.com.
brendan schaub
I love you guys.
joe rogan
We should do a fight companion show, boys.
We really should.
We should do a show somewhere.
bryan callen
Isn't that we're doing?
joe rogan
We're doing a show at a theater.
unidentified
Oh.
joe rogan
Like all of us do stand-up.
eddie bravo
We did that at the Ice House.
joe rogan
Yeah, we could do more of those.
unidentified
Let's do that.
brendan schaub
Did we do it?
joe rogan
Yeah, we did it once.
bryan callen
Yeah, we did one at the Ice House.
joe rogan
We did one at the Ice House.
bryan callen
Let's do it like in places like...
eddie bravo
It wasn't an official fight camp...
Fight companion show.
joe rogan
We were all...
It was the four of us.
bryan callen
Let's do it in like...
Let's go like to...
joe rogan
Nobody can hear you, motherfucker.
Do you understand microphones?
Get up on that, bitch.
unidentified
Let's do it in, like, you know, let's do, like, England, British Columbia, places like that, fucking Canada.
bryan callen
You know what I mean?
Let's do a fucking tour.
joe rogan
Canada?
bryan callen
Make money.
joe rogan
I'm down.
I'm down to do a tour.
unidentified
Let's do it.
joe rogan
We'll talk.
bryan callen
Just four dates.
I'd love to do that.
joe rogan
Four dates is good.
bryan callen
Fine, let's do it.
joe rogan
That's a good number.
Dude, we would pass that shit up.
eddie bravo
Thank you.
Love you, dog.
joe rogan
Be careful.
Drive safe.
Don't give up your back, bitch.
eddie bravo
That's Gordon Ryan right there.
That's Gordon Ryan right there.
joe rogan
Stop, boy.
Stop.
bryan callen
Stop.
joe rogan
He's going to grab your dick.
Okay.
Brian Callen, ladies and gentlemen.
eddie bravo
Joe, on a fucking zone.
You just want to keep going.
I love that shit.
You're like, fuck those dudes.
joe rogan
Well, you and me, we don't get a chance to hang that much.
They have to go.
We don't have to go.
eddie bravo
I don't have to go nowhere.
joe rogan
I have to be anywhere until 7 o'clock.
That's 40 minutes from now.
unidentified
Oh, shit.
joe rogan
I'm good.
eddie bravo
Where are you going, son?
joe rogan
I just got family shit to do.
eddie bravo
No spots tonight?
joe rogan
I have a spot tonight.
Where?
I'm at the store at, I think I'm at 10.15.
Check my schedule.
eddie bravo
You're doing the next Tuesday night at the Comedy Store.
That's probably already sold out.
As soon as you're on there, it's sold out.
joe rogan
I don't know.
eddie bravo
No, as soon as you're on, it sells out.
And Joey's on.
You and Joey?
joe rogan
I think Whitney's on too.
eddie bravo
Whitney's the late show.
joe rogan
Oh, okay.
eddie bravo
You and Joey at 8 o'clock at the Comedy Store, I am sure it's sold out.
joe rogan
And then I'm leaving and going across the street to the improv.
Going down the street.
I have a 10.30 at the improv on Tuesday.
Yeah, I've been doing the improv a lot, man.
I like it.
eddie bravo
I did it once.
joe rogan
I'm trying to juice it back up too.
I'm trying to bring everybody over there.
I'm like, hey guys, we can go both places.
You can do it 8 o'clock at the improv or 10 o'clock at the store.
You can bounce back and forth.
eddie bravo
You don't fuck with life actor?
joe rogan
Not really.
There's enough gravy to go around for two great clubs.
I like the way they handle things at the improv.
They're nice people.
You know, the people that run it are cool.
I've been going there forever.
And they kind of took me in after I left the store.
So I feel obligated to continue to perform.
Totally.
eddie bravo
Totally.
joe rogan
Yeah.
I like it there, man.
Paige is awesome.
Reed is awesome.
The people that run it are awesome.
It's cool.
And it's right across the street from a weed store.
eddie bravo
I did improv once and Laugh Factory once.
The improv show I did with Tony Hinchcliffe, he had his friend's show.
That one's great.
You know his Alabama bit?
joe rogan
Yes.
Don't give it up, but yes.
unidentified
Dude.
joe rogan
Hilarious.
eddie bravo
It just so happened that that week I had 10 motherfuckers from Alabama, 10th Planet, Decatur, Alabama, come in and come to see me do a live show and At the improv, they were all there from Alabama, and three of them were cops.
joe rogan
Oh, no.
And they're mad at Tony?
eddie bravo
No, no.
They loved it.
unidentified
Oh, that's good.
eddie bravo
They loved it.
Oh, no, no, no.
But come on.
That's hilarious.
It's hilarious, right?
He's got that Alabama bit.
joe rogan
It's a funny bit, too.
eddie bravo
It's amazing, and they all loved it.
They all loved it, man.
joe rogan
Have you seen his Me Too movie bit?
eddie bravo
No.
joe rogan
I'm not saying nothing.
We'll talk later.
eddie bravo
I love Tony Hinchcliffe.
unidentified
He's hilarious, man.
joe rogan
That guy's a fucking beast.
He's out there swinging.
eddie bravo
That guy's a beast, man.
joe rogan
That kid's swinging.
He works hard, man.
I've known Tony for a long time.
He works hard.
eddie bravo
Like we were talking about earlier, I really am happy that The comedy scene is slowly getting braver with jokes.
It seems like...
It's a weird thing because in the 80s, it was like the cool thing to be a liberal and I'm Democrat and Republicans, they're just Christians.
They have family values.
They don't want to get hired, go to heavy metal concerts, fuck Republicans.
But as you get older and you have kids, and I don't know what happened.
I don't know what happened, but it seems like now...
The cool kids are Republicans.
joe rogan
Do you know that expression?
Show me a young man who's not a liberal and I'll show you a man with no heart.
Show me an old man who's not conservative and I'll show you a man with no brain.
eddie bravo
There you go.
joe rogan
There's certain aspects of me that have become more conservative as I've got older.
I appreciate hard work more.
I understand the mental pitfalls involved and self-pity and a lot of the things.
eddie bravo
Family values, man.
joe rogan
Family values.
eddie bravo
That's the number one thing.
Because when I grew up There were no family values.
And I thought family values is a way to control you.
They're trying to control you with the family values in Christ.
And the older you get, you're like, I was a fucking idiot.
Of course it's all about family.
You gotta have values.
A dude with no values is a dude you can't trust worth a shit.
joe rogan
It's also when you have something to lose, you realize that everybody has something to lose.
And it puts you in, like, you commiserate with all the other people that also have families.
You all feel...
That's one thing when you go to family gatherings and everyone's got their kids.
You feel about their kids the way you feel about your kids.
Look out!
He's going near the stairs!
This is what communities and tribes used to be like.
We gravitate towards that.
It's good for everybody.
eddie bravo
Yeah.
You know what?
I used to think growing up that giving in to your desires was like, that's your right.
That's my right.
If I'm horny, I'm going to fuck.
If I want to party, I'm going to drink.
And these fucking right-wing people from Alabama, they're trying to throw Jesus down my throat and trying to...
Push their family values.
But I swear now, dude, I'm not Republican.
I'm not claiming Republican at all or anything, but I get it now.
I get it.
Because I have a kid, and there's no way anybody is going to convince me That because some fucking kid with pink hair, all looped up on pharmaceuticals, shoots up a mall, that it makes sense that I give up my guns and I can't protect my family.
joe rogan
These are long, we're going to get into the weeds.
unidentified
Explain that.
joe rogan
We're going to get in the weeds if we branch off in all these different directions, but I know what you're saying is as you get older, especially when you have family, what it's made me is way more compassionate and way more understanding.
I'm still not great at it.
I still fuck up sometimes.
I'm a human.
Humans fluctuate.
We're not a perfect thing.
But overlying, when my boat rights itself, when I figure out where my head is really at, my thought process is always, I want things to be better for everybody.
I think it's possible that if we all work together, everything could be way smoother.
There could be less lows and highs.
There would be some smooth...
Level ground.
We can help each other.
The problem is when some people have nothing and other people have everything and it looks like chaos and then there's a battle between ideas and then people want you to comply and there's so much crazy shit that's going on as you get older and like people are looking for control of something that's ultimately your life which is uncontrollable.
eddie bravo
100% correct.
Everything you're saying is right.
The problem in that, what fucks everything up, is people getting blackmailed and people being compromised, and those are the people that are making the laws, and those laws affect my family.
That's where it gets all fucked up, because everything you're saying is right, but that's not what these people, these certain people, not everybody, there's a lot of good people in the government, a lot of good people, and I'm fascinated every day finding out who they are, and then boom, you group them all together,
and I'm like, those are the good guys, those are the bad guys, and you make your popcorn, and you watch the fucking show, you know what I mean, and every now and then you say something, because it's affecting my family, so anytime someone says, oh, there's a school shooting now, immediately, Let's take away the guns.
Like, dude, that is the most retarded solution to these mass shootings.
Take away my right to defend my family against home invasions?
joe rogan
I understand what you're saying.
eddie bravo
That's ridiculous.
joe rogan
I understand what you're saying, and I agree with you.
But I understand why they would come to that conclusion, especially if they don't understand what does happen.
If you look at a place like...
I mean, I don't want to say Hong Kong should have guns, because if then they did, they would throw away their tyrannical rulers, and they wouldn't have to just protest in the streets en masse with hundreds of thousands of people for months and months at a time.
I'm not saying that they should be out shooting people, but you've seen those videos in Hong Kong where the police are shooting protesters.
eddie bravo
That's what I'm talking about, man.
joe rogan
That's a different level.
That's a different level.
The thing about school shootings and protests and tyrannical governments is that humans are messy.
There's no clear, simple answer.
It's like, look, if you have a small fire in front of you, and you have a bucket of water, and you want to put out that fire, there's a very, very easy to get to answer.
It's right there.
It's a bucket.
You throw the bucket of water on the fire, it puts the fire out.
No one would argue that.
The problem with all these really subtle, nuanced, complicated, super complex problems is there isn't one answer to it.
The issue of gun violence...
I had a tweet that I put out, it was probably my most liked tweet ever, that I said that...
What was the exact tweet?
What did I say about gun control?
We have a mental health issue disguised as a gun control issue and tyranny disguised as government.
I forget how I said it.
But the point being that this is a mental health issue.
It's not an issue of...
Of guns as much as people – the country has a mental health problem disguised as a gun problem and a tyranny problem disguised as a security problem.
eddie bravo
Well, everything you're saying is correct, but the problem is it's not about getting – it's not about doing the right thing to these people that are in positions to make these laws.
They are using these events to push their gun confiscation laws.
joe rogan
They are.
eddie bravo
That's what's going on.
joe rogan
Because they think that's the solution.
eddie bravo
You're talking common sense.
You're talking common sense.
But it's not common sense with these people.
unidentified
No.
eddie bravo
These people are just like, ooh, we could use that.
Boom.
Push another executive order.
unidentified
Boom.
eddie bravo
Little by little.
Inch by inch.
We're going to take their fucking guns away.
You had a guy on just the other day, Ed Calderon.
I took a little, like one minute little piece of your podcast and I put it on my social media today, this morning.
And it was him saying, I love this country.
I'm new to this country.
But there's a couple things where I see it headed that I'm not into.
And you're like, what?
Like what?
And he goes...
Well, I left my country because I didn't have the right to protect myself from the bad guys.
It was the government and the criminals.
You know, now here, you guys got that right, and now you guys, it's like being threatened.
It goes, that's not good.
Coming from where I came from, trust me, you want to be able to protect your family.
It just all comes down to that.
Give me a reason.
Explain to me how giving up my guns makes sense in protecting my family.
If you give me a good reason, then I'll give them up.
I haven't heard a good reason yet.
joe rogan
Well, it's a plea to emotions because the reality is when you look at the number of guns versus the number of incidents, I don't want to diminish anybody's death or anybody's family member's death.
But the number of guns in this country is fucking staggering.
When you compare it to the number of actual gun violence incidents or mass shooting incidents, it's relatively small.
And then the problem is when you compare the number of those people who are mass shooters, you look at that number versus what percentage of them were on drugs, psychiatric drugs, and it's fucking gigantic.
I don't say that that's the cause.
I'm not saying that's the cause.
But if there's one correlation that we all need to look at, that's one of them, man.
As much as guns.
eddie bravo
The way I look at it is like, to me, all that matters is my son and my wife.
I don't care what happens at that school or that mall or that school or that mall or that school or that mall.
All I know is I want to protect.
I'm going to protect my family.
I know you do.
joe rogan
I'm going to protect them.
eddie bravo
That's it.
joe rogan
You care about your community.
That's it.
You care about your friends.
You care about a lot of people.
This is that thing that people get to when they get real defensive and scared.
When they're really worried about the outside world, they say, it's just about us.
It's about us.
It's about us.
eddie bravo
I just want to protect my family.
joe rogan
I understand you do, but there shouldn't be a concern.
And I think if everybody lived in harmony, there would be way less of a concern.
eddie bravo
You're talking about some utopia that it's too late to achieve this gun-free utopia.
joe rogan
I'm not talking about gun-free utopia.
I would never say that.
eddie bravo
That's what it sounded like you were saying.
joe rogan
No, I'm the opposite.
I think that a well-armed society is a polite society.
eddie bravo
Yeah, like Texas.
joe rogan
I really do believe that Texas is one of my favorite places to go.
And it's an interesting experiment.
I'm not saying no, God.
eddie bravo
See that church incident?
Everyone comes out, the old lady came out and said, what?
joe rogan
Yeah, exactly.
eddie bravo
That's what I'm talking about.
joe rogan
You remember my bit that I used to have about the Draw Muhammad contest that they did in Texas?
Mm-mm.
Charlie Hebdo, you know the magazine?
Charlie Hebdo is this magazine in Paris and they did a cartoon about Mohammed.
You're not supposed to draw Mohammed.
Well, they killed everyone that worked there.
They killed like nine people.
They killed a police officer.
It was a really big issue.
Huge international issue.
Everybody was terrified.
Everybody was like, fuck.
eddie bravo
Did that have something to do with South Park?
joe rogan
Listen, listen.
No, no, no.
The New York Times wouldn't draw the pictures.
They wouldn't print the pictures.
Los Angeles Times wouldn't print the pictures.
Washington Post wouldn't print the pictures.
No one was doing anything.
Then Texas got into the mix, and they decided to have a Draw Muhammad contest.
eddie bravo
Oh, shit.
joe rogan
Within minutes, a dude showed up with his friend, and they started shooting at the building.
They were killed almost instantly.
And I'm like, why?
Because they were doing a draw Muhammad contest in Texas.
I'm like, did you pay attention to anything about Texas?
And then I get this whole bit about how that's the place where they have...
You know that bit about more tigers in captivity in Texas than in all the wild of the world?
eddie bravo
What's the bit?
joe rogan
This is from Triggered from my 2016 special.
There's more tigers in captivity in Texas than all of the wild of the world.
That's how crazy Texas is.
Texas is Wild West people who just said, we're going right here, when they just stopped.
All those Kit Carson type dudes from the fucking Wild West, they just stopped in Texas and they stayed there.
There's more tigers in Texas than the whole rest of the planet.
eddie bravo
That's insane.
joe rogan
It's insane.
They're in dudes' yards.
That's what's insane.
And I go, it all started with one guy got a tiger.
The other guy was like, I didn't know we'd get tigers.
Shit!
And he went and got two tigers.
And the first guy was like, I ain't about to let this faggot out tiger me.
And he opened up Tiger World.
And that's literally what it's like down there.
Dudes have hundreds of tigers in their yard.
eddie bravo
That's crazy.
joe rogan
You can have a yard.
And if you have the resources, you can keep those tigers fed.
You can have fences where you have a hundred tigers in your yard.
Texas is a different animal, son, but it's one of the safest places to be.
It is violence in Texas.
It's just like there's violence whenever you get large groups of people.
But I like people in Texas.
They're friendly.
I like Dallas a lot, man.
I like Austin.
I like everywhere I go in Texas.
But they're what I would want America to be like.
They're cordial.
They hold doors for you.
They say, good morning.
They look you in the eye.
They're smiling.
eddie bravo
Texas is not only the best place in the United States for me for jujitsu seminars, but also comedy too.
joe rogan
Me too!
eddie bravo
Texas is a different animal comedy.
joe rogan
Dude.
eddie bravo
A hundred people show up for seminars.
It's insane, man.
joe rogan
I did my first CD in Texas.
At Houston, at the Laugh Stop.
eddie bravo
Houston is the best place.
joe rogan
That's the number one city for me.
Dallas and Houston.
I don't know, man.
I love Austin, too.
eddie bravo
Dude, when I see a crowd of Mexican conspiracy theorists, I'm like, oh, shit.
joe rogan
Those fucking dudes.
eddie bravo
We're going to go off.
joe rogan
Those dudes come up to me.
eddie bravo
We're going to go off, dude.
joe rogan
Those dudes come up to me and they try to breach those subjects.
I go, hey, stop, stop, stop, stop.
I can't.
I can't do that.
I don't have any room.
eddie bravo
He's crazy!
unidentified
Mm-mm.
You should really listen to Eddie about the people that make tunnels under the earth.
joe rogan
I'm like, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey.
Bro, I gotta go home.
I got a yoga class at 8.30.
eddie bravo
I like when people come up to me.
I got people coming up to me and...
They're like all alien.
They still think I'm the 2005 dude where I'm all like balls deep into aliens.
joe rogan
You've evolved.
eddie bravo
We've evolved from aliens and the whole Anunnaki story.
Man, it's hard for...
They're so into it and it's like, how do I tell this guy that I don't believe in this shit no more?
Sometimes, you know when I had a guy the other night, I was just like, I'm not even gonna say nothing no more.
unidentified
Our DNA was split, dude, from the fucking Anunnaki man.
eddie bravo
And then boom, we're half monkey.
Do you remember you and me?
joe rogan
Do you remember you and me in 2000, hanging out at your fucking guest house, doing bong hits and watching documentaries?
eddie bravo
Yeah, all that shit.
Nobody, nobody watch, maybe there's a lot of ties, maybe there's a fucking hundred way tie, a thousand way tie, but it's very hard to watch more space documentaries than me and you do.
Come on, dude.
joe rogan
Real space documentaries too, not just alien ones.
eddie bravo
Dude, we would just sit there and there's like 12 parts to like this BBC universe.
joe rogan
Do you remember that giant alien bong that I had?
Yeah.
That like yellow fish bong?
Red Band has that thing.
eddie bravo
Nobody was into space and aliens more than us.
joe rogan
No.
eddie bravo
You had that fucking Roswell poster on the newspaper clip.
unidentified
Still have it.
eddie bravo
Dude, we were balls deep in that shit.
joe rogan
Let me tell you something, man.
It got fired up again when I watched that Bob Lazar documentary.
eddie bravo
Yeah.
joe rogan
When Bob Lazar was saying things in the 1990s that became true in the late, in the 2000-teens, in terms of like Element 115, that they had this thing that they could propel these spaceships with, and there was no such thing.
He's like, there's a thing.
They have it.
It's from another planet.
He explained the propulsion system.
He explained all this stuff.
It sounds like such nonsense.
unidentified
Yeah.
eddie bravo
I believe Bob Lazar believes all that shit.
I believe he does.
joe rogan
But you don't believe it's true?
eddie bravo
I believe he's set up.
They let him talk too much.
How are they going to let him do Netflix and they're going to come on JRE? They're going to let him go on Larry King.
joe rogan
Again, Eddie Bravo with the 3D chest.
eddie bravo
They want him to do that.
If you're on Netflix...
The Deep State wants you on Netflix.
So it's a good thing to...
I think he believes it.
Just like William Cooper.
I think he figured out he got set up.
They were trying to get him to believe that alien spacecraft...
We're on the moon.
His job at the Office of Naval Intelligence, William Cooper, he wrote Behold a Pale Horse.
He wrote that book.
He's probably considered the Helio Gracie of conspiracy theories, William Cooper.
He was in charge of putting together the documents for these top secret Office of Naval Intelligence meetings, and he was reading them and going- Wasn't he killed in a shootout?
They shot his ass, dude.
joe rogan
But he was killed in a shootout.
eddie bravo
In front of his house.
He was talking too much.
He predicted Osama bin Laden before 9-11.
I don't know if you know this.
There's video on YouTube.
You can watch this.
William Cooper said...
joe rogan
But you know he also talked about bases on the moon where aliens had bases on the moon.
eddie bravo
He evolved.
You gotta follow the timeline.
joe rogan
Sort of like you're not into aliens anymore and now...
eddie bravo
No, no.
He's a big part of it.
He's a big part of it.
joe rogan
Of what?
eddie bravo
He's a big part of me going, oh.
Because he is the one who opened my eyes to the fact that he thought he was being set up.
He thought they're trying to get us to believe in aliens so they could fake an alien attack so that'll usher in the New World Order.
Because what happens if the aliens attack?
We all unite.
In all the movies, you see them in the movies like, oh.
Oh, they're attacking.
Let's call China.
China's got this new thing and the Russia.
And then we're all together.
We all unite.
That's the whole purpose of everything.
It's always been about everything.
There's so many pieces.
How do we get to that?
joe rogan
But wait a minute.
Who's the master fucking puppeteer that's pulling all these cords?
unidentified
It's a long story, man.
eddie bravo
I would need an hour to explain all that.
That's too long.
That's too long.
But William Cooper, he was the guy who, he was, like, aliens exist.
I'm looking at these documents.
They're having these meetings about this crashed alien aircraft.
So he's out at, he's got his own little private radio and, like, or not private radio, but I don't, like, in the late 80s, early 90s.
joe rogan
He's on radio?
eddie bravo
Whatever, like, before, way before.
joe rogan
Oh, he had some sort of show.
eddie bravo
And then he's like, oh, these motherfuckers are setting me up.
This is all bullshit.
He goes, they're setting up a fake alien invasion.
That's what they're doing.
joe rogan
Okay.
You know who I've been trying to get on the podcast recently?
Esther Hicks.
eddie bravo
Really?
joe rogan
Yeah.
eddie bravo
She's still alive?
joe rogan
Yep, still alive, not interested.
Her husband passed, I believe.
I'm sorry if that's incorrect.
You know, she's that lady that channels that.
eddie bravo
Dude, I used to be way into her.
joe rogan
Yeah.
eddie bravo
I was into her.
joe rogan
Here's the thing about someone like that.
It's almost like...
The universe is throwing you a puzzle.
Like, you can extract valuable information out of this puzzle, but you gotta understand what's edible and what's not.
When you eat a coconut, you don't eat the outside.
Eat the inside.
The inside has that beautiful white meat and it also has that delicious coconut milk.
Those things are good.
The outside you can't eat.
There's a lot of people that will tell you things and some of those things seem like bullshit.
But inside those things is some undeniable truths about how we should live our lives and how we should view the world and how we can sort of unite each other with love and understanding and we can Connect in a way.
eddie bravo
It's like a murder mystery.
Trying to figure out life.
joe rogan
Right, but it is like a murder mystery.
It's probably more complicated because it's never over.
Murder mysteries haven't ended.
As long as there is life, there's more complexity.
eddie bravo
Most people, man, I know some people, they're so happy.
The last thing on their mind is trying to figure out what the fuck this is all about.
They're just living their life, and it's all about their family, and they don't give a shit about Iran.
They don't give a fuck about NASA. They're just living their life, and man, I envy that shit.
joe rogan
Dude, I'm trying to move closer to that.
eddie bravo
Yeah, I envy that shit.
Hey, you know what?
People tell me, you know, like, that's all you do is...
Study conspiracy theories and I'm like, no.
On the weekends, dude, on the weekends, I am blue-pilling myself.
On the weekends, baseball with my son, karate.
We'd go fucking watching the Disney cartoons with all the space shit in it.
I blue-pill the fuck out of...
I don't try to get my son into conspiracy theories at all.
That's gonna be later.
I'm like, I just want him...
joe rogan
That's gonna be later.
eddie bravo
That's later.
I'll get him when he's like 15, 15, 15. But right now, he can't handle it.
There's no way.
There's no way.
He doesn't need that.
joe rogan
You shouldn't ask him to.
eddie bravo
And his whole life, every minute, is happiness.
Just love and happiness and we just want to make him every day.
He loves school more than anything.
He loves school more than fucking...
He loves school.
And then after school, it's all about fun.
And he decides what we're going to do.
He calls the shots.
You're going to go to karate?
He goes, today we're going to do karate, because he's all into baseball too, and then we're going to go to the batting cages.
I'm like, boom, that's it.
We go to karate, batting cages, then I go teach jujitsu.
Then the next day he'll say, Daddy, I think I'm going to take a relaxation day.
Worked a lot the last couple of days.
Let's go get, let's order a pizza from Dino's in Burbank.
Amazing.
And then we'll watch some Teenage Mutant Ninja Turtles.
He's all about Teenage Mutant Ninja Turtles.
unidentified
That's hilarious.
eddie bravo
He decides.
And then every day it's a different thing what he wants.
Let's go to the movies today after school.
joe rogan
Well, this is an evolution of you learning from like the pain of your childhood and like doing all the right things.
eddie bravo
I do the opposite with my son.
It's amazing.
My dad had 19 kids, and I was just one kid with my mom.
It was like a weird offside.
He had a family with five kids, and then he got a bunch of other women pregnant.
He was all over the place.
Truck driver.
He had 19 kids.
I was one of 19. He had eight different chicks he was banging.
And he never...
I found out.
I met a couple of my half-brothers and half-sisters that were actually part of his real family.
And we met one day.
We went to the Old Spaghetti Factory in Hollywood.
And they told me all about him.
And I didn't know.
I thought he had five kids.
He had a family with five kids.
And my mom was some chick.
You know, he was seeing on the side.
That's what I thought.
I didn't know he had a bunch of others.
She goes, how many...
My half-sister goes, how many...
My half-sister, half-brother.
She goes, how many...
Kids, do you think your dad has?
I said, six?
Try 19. Damn!
I go, he's like Helio Gracie.
Holy shit.
unidentified
Real similar.
eddie bravo
And one thing that he never told anybody, he never said the words, I love you, to anybody, to his real family.
He never said it to me because I would see him once a year.
The words never came out of his mind.
I never told my mom that.
Apparently, he's one of those guys that will never say I love you to anybody.
And I'm the opposite, dude.
I tell my son, I look him in the eye every day.
He's like, you know who loves you the most.
I love you the most.
And I whisper in his ear, I'm like, you know I'll kill anybody for you.
Don't you ever forget that.
joe rogan
Whoa, you're getting crazy.
eddie bravo
Oh, I get crazy with them every day.
joe rogan
But it is important.
People know that you love them.
eddie bravo
And then it's a funny thing.
Now it's a funny thing.
First he's like, okay, Dad.
And now he goes, I'm not going to let you forget.
Daddy, I won't forget.
I go, you promise?
Because I won't forget.
I go, I just want to make sure you don't forget.
And he goes, okay.
And he goes, daddy, I won't forget.
I promise.
unidentified
And I hug him every day.
joe rogan
That's beautiful, man.
You've really embraced being a dad.
eddie bravo
It's all that matters, man.
I'm living for him.
That's why I shave my head.
I'm like, what the fuck am I doing washing my hair?
You know what I mean?
joe rogan
I've been telling you for a long time.
eddie bravo
Let me shave my head.
joe rogan
If I didn't have this big stupid hair transplant scar on the back of my head, I would have shaved my head a long time ago.
But I just decided, like, this is so pointless.
It looks terrible.
I keep paying to get haircuts.
They always look like shit.
eddie bravo
Everybody online is calling me, like, telling me I'm turning Joe Rogan now.
joe rogan
Who cares?
You gotta stop reading comments.
eddie bravo
I love those comments.
I love them.
Anybody talk stupid shit, like it's obvious that they hate me, I do them a favor and I decide to save their life and I just block them because I'm like, that much hate?
Dude, you're going to get fucking cancer following me, bro.
I need to block you and save your life.
joe rogan
Well, there's just a lot of people that want attention and they're not getting it at home, much like you or me.
Look, dude, I could have easily...
eddie bravo
I like to save them.
joe rogan
That's a beautiful thing, but I could have easily been a hater if I was 15 and I had an internet account.
eddie bravo
Yeah.
joe rogan
I could have easily been a mean kid.
eddie bravo
It's crazy.
You know the internet, dude?
Anybody could come out and just fucking say whatever.
joe rogan
But I'm saying if I was a 15-year-old kid and I could comment to you and you made me feel jealous and I didn't have any love at home and I saw you doing all the jujitsu videos and...
I would go, fuck that guy.
That guy sucks.
How about Leo Vieira?
I would just send you some mean shit.
I would send you some mean shit just as a 15-year-old piece of shit.
But that's just because you're a 15-year-old and because you're not really talking.
It's a bad way to talk to people, man, through text messages and shit.
It doesn't make any sense.
We're supposed to look at each other.
eddie bravo
When people say things that...
That translate into positivity and it's obvious they're on the same frequency as me.
I follow every one of those dudes.
Anybody comment something that it says like genuinely they agree with what I'm saying and they're on my team.
I'm like, you're on my motherfucking team.
If someone says anything, if they criticize me, I won't block them.
I'm like, if it's legit, I'm like, I get that.
I get that.
But if it's clear that you're a hater, I'm like, dude, let me save your life.
Let me block you.
Let me put a couple years on that life.
I don't let any of those.
As soon as you expose yourself, I'm like, dude, you should not be following me.
There's a bunch of other people you could be following, dude.
It's obvious you don't like me.
Find someone else.
joe rogan
Well, there's two schools of thought, right?
There's a school of thought you should let everybody in.
And the other school of thought is that it's like a party.
Like, if you had a party and one dude's an asshole's ruling the party...
unidentified
Kick him out.
joe rogan
I'll kick him the fuck out.
eddie bravo
This is my party.
joe rogan
Yeah.
It's your party.
eddie bravo
Yeah.
joe rogan
I think that...
eddie bravo
You want to criticize me intelligently?
I never block those people, ever.
I would feel like a douchebag.
I wouldn't do that.
If you criticize me, but you're being intelligent about it, and you're not being a dick about it, I'm like, oh, okay.
Let people argue about that.
Okay, let them...
But if you come out and say, you fucking piece of shit, you're a retard, I'm like, dude, let me save your life.
That's some ozone therapy.
I did some ozone therapy.
You know what that is?
joe rogan
Yeah.
Was it good?
eddie bravo
You know what?
This is what happened.
When I went down there to Mexico, I went down there for five days, and I didn't do stem cells until the third day.
It's like you had to prep yourself for the stem cells.
We didn't.
Just juicing.
The Gerson diet is like, dude, it's...
joe rogan
What is the Gerson?
eddie bravo
Gerson.
joe rogan
Gerson?
eddie bravo
It's the Gerson therapy.
It's what saved Javi Vasquez, man.
Javi Vasquez had colon cancer, and he did the Gerson diet, Gerson therapy.
joe rogan
How does it work?
eddie bravo
You juice.
You have to take fresh juices.
Like, there's certain juices.
Plant juices.
You have to make them.
They have to be fresh.
And you do one, like, every hour.
And you do a coffee enema like five times a day.
So juicing, coffee enema, juicing, coffee enema.
Dude, I coffee enema, dude.
Juicing, coffee enema.
joe rogan
All day?
eddie bravo
No, not like someone with cancer would do.
Someone with cancer, for three months, dude, every day, you're juicing coffee enema.
You're just cleaning out.
Does it work?
Hell yeah.
Javi Vasquez is cancer-free.
joe rogan
And it was from the juicing?
eddie bravo
It was from the Gerson therapy?
joe rogan
And so is that all he's doing for nutrients is just juicing and then coffee animals?
eddie bravo
Who knows?
I don't know the details.
This is what Javi tells me.
joe rogan
That's part of it.
eddie bravo
Javi's school is thriving.
He's teaching jujitsu.
He tells me he beat it.
I don't know the facts.
I just go by what he tells me.
I see him on Instagram.
He's teaching jujitsu.
He told me he did the Gerson therapy.
He told me what it was about.
And when I went to Mexico, that's one of the things they do.
Because this is the weird thing.
I went down to a cancer alternative hospital down in Mexico called Chipsa.
And people thought I had cancer.
I didn't realize.
Because I know the owners.
I know Ed Clay and Scotty Nelson.
joe rogan
They thought you had cancer because you were there.
eddie bravo
And the only reason I went down there was for the stem cells.
Because in Mexico, it's in Tijuana, they can do anything.
So not only is Ed Clay and Scotty Nelson, they just committed their lives to putting all the best anti-cancer treatments together.
The Gerson Therapy is one of them.
They do a bunch of alternative, like people come down there with like third stage, fourth stage or whatever they got.
And this is like the last hurrah.
So they hit them with the Gerson therapy.
They hit them with the NADH. Have you heard about this?
Yes.
NADH. They hit them with hyperbaric chambers every day.
Electromagnetic fucking therapy.
There's all this shit there.
They got different things on IVs.
And so I went down there and I didn't realize that people were going to think I was on...
unidentified
I had cancer.
joe rogan
So is this really beneficial to people that have cancer?
eddie bravo
What exactly?
joe rogan
There's so many therapies.
You're saying they hit them with all the...
I'm assuming you hit them with a pile of them all together.
eddie bravo
Yeah.
They got a system down there, man.
And they don't make any claims, man.
There's no claims being made.
joe rogan
They just do their best.
Well, you can't make claims.
eddie bravo
You can't make claims.
But they got...
What Chipsa is all about is all the latest...
Ed Clay is...
I met him when he was 19 and I was 30. And I knew when I met Ed Clay, I'm like, dude, you're 19?
You sound like you're 45. Smart dude.
joe rogan
Always been.
eddie bravo
Dude, I'm like, what are you doing in this 19-year-old body?
And one day, you're going to be a business tycoon of some sort.
You're going to be huge.
And so he dedicated his life.
His story was he got addicted to pills.
He got addicted to Vicodin.
He was a black belt, BJJ black belt.
That's how I know him through the martial arts world.
He owned his own mixed martial arts gym, Nashville MMA. And then he had a couple MMA fights, and then he got hurt, had some surgery, got addicted to pills, and he had a real bad addiction, and it was fucking him up.
And then he heard about Ibogaine.
An ibogaine is like the African version of ayahuasca.
And supposedly, I don't know that much about it, but supposedly you go through an ibogaine trip and it resets your brain in some way, I don't know, that you could quit those pills without going through all the withdrawals and the pain.
You just got to go through it for 36 hours or something like that.
You do eyeball game?
And he found out about this and he went down to Mexico and did it.
And it cured him of his fucking pill addiction.
It really worked.
So at first he sold his MMA gym.
He goes, I'm going to put...
And he was like a real estate mogul too.
Super smart guy.
He was all into real estate and everything.
He was well off.
Sold his MMA. He was growing beyond an MMA gym really.
He was just growing beyond that.
And then he decided to open up an ibogaine hospital in Mexico to help as many people as he could to get over their pill addictions.
He was like, I'm just going to dedicate my life to saving people.
And then a lot of stuff happened.
It's a long story, but he ended up going, you know what, let's try to help people with cancer.
So it all led to everyone's worst fear is getting cancer.
joe rogan
Yeah, I didn't know he was doing that until I talked to you because we've talked about him many times in the podcast, that whole Ibogaine retreat.
And then I think that people are having an issue with various addictions.
eddie bravo
There's a lot of weird problems with going straight.
He just went from, let's save people from pill addiction to, let's save people from cancer.
So him and Scotty Nelson, who used to own On The Mat OTM, they got together and they put all their money together and bought this hospital in Tijuana.
unidentified
That's so crazy they bought a hospital.
eddie bravo
Ed Clay, I'm there all week, and we're sitting in the...
He's running everything like El Patron, dude.
joe rogan
But you know how crazy that is?
He owns a hospital?
eddie bravo
He owns a hospital.
And he's all about...
He's got, like, scientists all around him, and they're all about finding the best shit.
They're just looking for the best shit.
unidentified
Let me ask you this.
joe rogan
What can they do in comparison to, like, what they can do in Panama?
Could they do the same kind of shit as Dr. Neil Reardon?
eddie bravo
No, no, it's the same thing.
joe rogan
And they just do it in Tijuana.
eddie bravo
That Reardon, one of his partners, is one of the guys that went to Chipsa.
So that's why they're doing STEM. They're doing the same thing, but they even admit the dude in Panama is like the godfather of everything, but the way they're doing it at Chipsa, like Chipsa, it's a cancer alternative hospital, but the only reason, you know, they're using STEM cells too for some treatments, so you don't have to have cancer to go there.
I get people sending me shit like, dude, heal up, bro, I'm with you, and I'm like, dude, I don't have cancer.
And then I shaved my head.
Dude, I went to Chipsa and then I shaved my head.
Everyone thinks I'm dying.
So I'm not dying, guys.
I went to Chipsa to get stem cells because my body is broken as fuck.
I'm 50 years old and my knee, my shoulder, my back, they're fucked up.
And I was getting to the point, I was rolling this whole year.
You know, rolling with little guys, little blue belts, little purple belts.
Then I started working up with the bigger guys, and I was like, fuck it, let's just see what happens.
Boom.
And then my shoulder gets fucked up again, and I'm like, you know what?
Yeah, I got fucked up again.
And at that point, Ed Clay and Scotty were saying, dude, come down to the hospital.
We'll get you on these stem cells.
Dude, we're going to repair all that shit.
Come on, man.
unidentified
Come on down.
eddie bravo
Come on down.
And I'm like, I don't know if that's going to work.
unidentified
Can I ask you this?
joe rogan
Did you get an MRI on your shoulder?
Because you had shoulder surgery.
eddie bravo
Yes.
joe rogan
And then you hurt it again.
eddie bravo
Yeah, but I didn't get an MRI. I know.
I just felt like I strained it.
I'm like, did I strain it or did I fuck the surgery up?
That was the thought.
joe rogan
That's the question.
How many months after the surgery were you rolling?
eddie bravo
About a year.
I waited a year.
joe rogan
Oh, that's not...
eddie bravo
Yeah, I waited about a year.
joe rogan
That's not unreasonable.
eddie bravo
Okay, no, maybe six months.
I'm sorry, not a year.
I thought about it.
I think they told me a year, but I waited six months.
I was going with little people.
But it's no big deal.
So Ed was always telling me to come down, and I just kept putting it off.
And then finally, after I re-injured my shoulder, I'm like, you know what?
What the fuck am I doing, dude?
I gotta do these stems.
I gotta do the best thing that's out there.
And if it doesn't work, you know what?
At least I tried.
I gotta do the best shit.
So I called up Ed and I go, let's set it up.
So we found a week where we could both...
We did it together.
Me and Ed, he goes, we're gonna do this shit.
Everything we did, he was right there with me and did it with me.
That's awesome.
He's one of the greatest guys I've ever met in my life, man.
joe rogan
Well, I hope it works.
I just got to wait.
eddie bravo
I got to wait a couple.
I will tell you this, that I didn't start the stems until the third day and the first couple days we were doing NADH, we're doing all this stuff, and immediately my inflammation in my knees was gone.
Immediately, like from all the stuff we were doing, the ozone therapy, the hyperbaric chamber, we were doing this electron.
All day, I was there like eight hours doing shit, every day.
joe rogan
So you said your inflammation, like your knees, like what did they feel like before?
eddie bravo
Oh, my knees are fucked up.
My surgery knee is not my good rubber guard knee.
My surgery knee, thank God, it's not my rubber guard knee, but it still hasn't healed.
It cut out so much meniscus, it's fucking sore and tender.
It just won't heal.
joe rogan
How bad was the tear before you got it fixed?
eddie bravo
Dude, it locked on me about 10 times before I got a surgery, so every time it locks, it rips it up some more.
It was a mess, so they took out most of my meniscus.
And so it still hasn't healed.
And then my good knee, something happened in leg lock drills.
I don't know.
Something happened where I think I sprained it, so I'm like, okay, I got to stop.
But then at the same time, my shoulder got fucked up.
So all of a sudden, my whole body is fucked up.
It's hard to get out of bed.
And then I called Ed, and I'm like, dude, let's just do this.
Let's go through it.
Let's do this.
So they injected my shoulder with...
Apparently, I don't know the technical term for these stem cells, but they're umbilical cord, organic, I don't know.
I just said, just give me your best shit.
They stuck my shoulder, they stuck my knee, and then I put it, we got stem cells in the IV. This is what everybody says about you.
joe rogan
You don't wait long enough.
Everybody says you dive right back into rolling too quick, and then you gotta give yourself more rehab time.
eddie bravo
Who told you that?
joe rogan
A couple people.
eddie bravo
Who told you that?
joe rogan
A few people talking.
They're worried that you're addicted to rolling, which everybody is, right?
And when you're coming back from an injury, how much weightlifting stuff did you do?
eddie bravo
I was doing weightlifting too.
joe rogan
With a physical therapist?
eddie bravo
Dude, I got fucking savages trying to take my head off.
joe rogan
Oh, I understand.
eddie bravo
You know what I mean?
joe rogan
I'm weightlifting.
eddie bravo
I went too hard.
I did.
Now I know that.
So I wanted to test myself.
So now this is the plan.
The plan is I'm going to wait a couple...
Because the stem cells that take...
Supposedly they take...
Because I took them...
Through the IV, too.
We did them double.
We shot them with a fucking million, a fucking gazillion, and then put them in an IV. I did the whole fucking thing.
Hyperbaric chamber every day.
Watching Fight Club on DVD. All that shit, dude.
Every day.
Dude, all day.
I was doing this shit.
I go, I have to go through this.
I'm getting old.
I got 115 schools that depend on me.
I got to do this shit.
joe rogan
Right.
eddie bravo
So now I'm just waiting.
It's been less than a month since I did it.
It takes a while for stem cells to regrow shit.
Two to three months or something like that.
So I ain't going to do shit for two to three months.
Because if I start rolling now...
joe rogan
Well, you know John Donahurt doesn't roll, right?
eddie bravo
Yeah.
He hurt his hip or something.
joe rogan
He's had hip replacement.
He's going to have a knee replacement.
His body's all fucked up.
eddie bravo
We're all headed there.
We're all going to end up being there.
You can't roll forever.
joe rogan
I heard Hickson's rolling again.
That's what I heard.
Jacques told me that.
eddie bravo
You know what it is?
It's like...
joe rogan
Can't leave it alone.
eddie bravo
It just feels so good.
Like, I appreciate it so much now.
This is the weird thing.
This is the weird thing.
When I started rolling again this year, more than ever while I roll, more than ever, anytime I pull off a little sweep or a little cool transition, I'll always say, yes, so good.
joe rogan
Loud.
Enjoy it.
unidentified
Loud.
eddie bravo
I'm constantly saying...
Because I appreciate the little movement.
If I butterfly sweep a motherfucker and I pass his guard at the same time, I'm going to say...
For sure.
I appreciate every little transition and then I remember every little transition.
I'm like...
I gotta teach this.
I gotta teach that.
Oh, I forgot about that.
There's just so much.
It's so endless that unless you're rolling, that's what I'm afraid of.
I'm afraid of stop rolling and then I forget certain transitions because there's so much.
The best thing you could do, the best thing now I know on my deathbed, Record as many of your roles as fucking possible.
unidentified
Really?
eddie bravo
Record your roles.
Watch them.
Watch your decision making.
Watch your mistakes.
Man.
And then you remember shit.
You got to record as many roles as possible.
That's all I'm going to say.
joe rogan
So it's like comedy.
Yes.
eddie bravo
Exactly.
Dude.
The only reason I record every one of my sets is because of you.
That's the only reason.
Because you always say you gotta record your sets, you gotta record your sets.
So my ritual is on my way to my next set is I'm listening to the last set on the drive over.
You know what I mean?
And there's so many times I'll go back to listen to old sets like there's some shit that I don't even remember saying and I would have never remembered it.
You know what I mean?
There's so much shit.
You're like, damn, there's too much to remember.
joe rogan
No, man, the ride home.
The ride home, you have to treat as part of the job.
This is what I've decided.
eddie bravo
Do you listen to it on the ride home?
I've never done that.
I'm afraid to.
joe rogan
No, this is my new thing.
My new gimmick is the ride home.
I listen to recordings, maybe take another hit, depending on whether or not I want to go deep, and then bust out the laptop.
So the ride home, I'm listening, and then when I get home, I write.
unidentified
Damn!
joe rogan
So I'm in a stand-up frame of mind.
Everybody's asleep.
Everybody's asleep.
So the whole world's asleep.
So it's like 1 o'clock in the morning, it's just me, just sitting there with the dog, just chilling.
eddie bravo
Damn.
joe rogan
Just typing.
unidentified
Yeah.
joe rogan
And if I do that every day, and I say, this is my job.
My job is not just to show at the comedy store and do my set.
My job is to listen to a set on the way there, and then listen to that set on the way home, and then sit in front of my laptop for an hour to hour and a half.
unidentified
Damn.
joe rogan
And I feel like if I do...
unidentified
It's hard.
joe rogan
It's not that hard, man.
Coal mining's hard.
unidentified
Yeah.
joe rogan
You know, sand mining, that shit's hard.
eddie bravo
Yeah.
I gotta do that.
What I do is...
joe rogan
You know what the problem is?
Nobody's your boss.
unidentified
Yeah.
joe rogan
Nobody tells you what to do.
If you just worked at a warehouse, they'd go, Eddie, just do whatever you can with all these packages.
eddie bravo
He'd go, no.
Yeah, yeah.
joe rogan
Versus if you work for Amazon, they give you a fucking time clock and it's like, ready, go.
And stopwatch is ticking down how many minutes you have left to send this package out.
You're running because you don't want to get reprimanded.
eddie bravo
You know, I was telling you about my ritual, right?
My ritual is if I... As I'm driving to my next set or getting ready for my next set, I listen to my old set and I have it fresh in my head and I go on stage.
What happens is I have a few good sets in a row.
Nothing goes bad.
It seems to go good.
People seem to like it.
And then I get fucking lazy.
I get lazy.
And there was one time where I was gonna do that Bruce Buffer show at the Laugh Factory.
We're gonna do a show at the Laugh Factory.
First time I'm ever there.
So I thought, okay, I'm gonna drive there and listen to my last recording like I usually do.
But then I didn't want to.
I go, I wanna take an Uber and drink.
You know what I mean?
I got too cocky, dude.
So then I thought, no, no, no, I gotta be strict.
I can't call an Uber.
I'm gonna drive my truck and listen to my goddamn set again.
But then I thought, oh my God, maybe I'll just put earplugs in and get in the Uber.
And just listen to it with my earbuds.
And I'm like, cool.
That's what I'll do.
So I call the Uber.
And I usually don't drink at home before I go to the comedy store because I'm driving.
So I thought, I'm Ubering it.
So I have one drink.
So now I'm one drink in.
And my ritual is one drink at the comedy store, right?
So I get in the Uber.
And immediately when I get in the Uber, the guy goes, first time ever.
Only time ever.
Guy goes, dude!
unidentified
Dude!
eddie bravo
Are you Eddie Bravo?
unidentified
I love JRE. I listen to you on the podcast all the time.
eddie bravo
So he just wanted to talk about JRE. So I never listened to the set.
So we get to the laugh factor.
We get to the laugh factor.
I'm like, ah, I didn't listen to the set.
I talked to this guy.
He was cool.
He was a fucking cool ass guy.
You know what?
I'm not going to listen to shit.
I'll be fine.
Right?
So I get there and then built Bruce Buffer's.
unidentified
I got shots.
eddie bravo
Let's take shots.
Tequila.
And I'm like, I'm not drinking way too much.
Don't have my set fresh in my head.
And I went on stage and fucking...
It wasn't a total disaster, but man, I had my family there and everything for the first time.
I'm like, it was not a good set.
It was a bad set.
And I'm like, fuck.
But I learned from that.
You learn from them losses.
I'm like, don't ever get lazy.
Because when you have that set fresh in your mind, and then you go on stage, it ain't that hard.
You just heard that motherfucker.
You know what I mean?
joe rogan
Well, it's not just that.
For me, it's writing things down.
Like cue cards are big.
I use index cards.
eddie bravo
Damn.
joe rogan
With Sharpies before my sets.
unidentified
Ooh.
joe rogan
It's in my writer.
unidentified
Okay.
joe rogan
Like when I do a show, I'll write just bullet points.
Just titles of bits and shit like that.
Yeah, yeah.
And then another thing that works is like during the day of a show, I'll sit in front of the computer and just rewrite bits.
unidentified
Yeah.
joe rogan
Just write them out.
Write them out.
Write them out.
It's like it's not necessary.
unidentified
Yeah.
joe rogan
And you can get away without doing it.
unidentified
Yeah.
joe rogan
But I always feel like the more I... The more I do, the better it's going to be.
eddie bravo
The more prepared you are.
For sure it's better.
It's just like when I would do the opening monologues for EBI countdown shows.
I used to do that.
I don't do it anymore.
Always.
Always.
You write it all out.
The first three takes ain't that good.
You don't remember.
But by the fourth and fifth take, you can see it.
It's like there's a teleprompter in front of you.
You've done it so much.
And then now you can really nail it.
joe rogan
It's the same thing.
eddie bravo
It's the same thing.
joe rogan
You have a certain pass that you just nail.
eddie bravo
You've got to do it over and over.
joe rogan
But you know those grooves that you catch in when you are in that path that you've been through a thousand times?
unidentified
Yeah.
joe rogan
Just like comedy.
Just like everything else.
Just like a monologue.
Just like acting in a movie.
eddie bravo
Dude, if it wasn't for jiu-jitsu, I wouldn't be doing comedy, man.
Jiu-jitsu trained me.
joe rogan
Well, Jiu-Jitsu taught you also how to teach, so you talk to people.
You have this way of projecting.
eddie bravo
Public speaking experience is huge.
I got a couple instructors that are looking to do comedy.
That's funny.
Yeah, because if you could teach a seminar, if you could teach a three-hour seminar, you have the tools to be a stand-up comedian.
Now you've got to be funny.
joe rogan
Well, listen, this is the thing about stand-up comedians.
Only 30% of them ever even try it.
eddie bravo
Yeah.
joe rogan
There's probably 70% of the potential legitimate stand-up comedians in the country that don't ever do it.
unidentified
Yeah.
joe rogan
You know, there's people that do it and they're delusional and they do it and they don't see reality correctly.
So they'll never really be good.
There's people like that.
eddie bravo
Yeah.
joe rogan
But then there's people that just decide to keep working at the, you know, the car repair place.
eddie bravo
And they're funny as fuck.
joe rogan
And they're funny as fuck.
Yeah.
I know I've told you about this guy, but when I was an amateur comedian, when I was driving for a private investigator, I met this private investigator.
It was like, be a private investigator's assistant.
I was like, oh, cool.
Really, he became a very good friend of mine.
He lost his license drinking and driving, so he needed someone to drive him around.
So that was a private investigator's assistant.
I was just his driver.
But his name was Dave Dolan.
I loved him till the day he died.
But he needed someone to drive him to places.
And he also was, it turns out, just randomly, he was a cousin to one of the people who owned the Comedy Connection in Boston, Bill Downs.
He was Bill Downs' cousin.
So I met him and I was like, what?
You're Bill's cousin?
He's like, yeah, he's my fucking cousin.
He was one of the funniest people I've ever met in my life.
And at the time, for sure, the funniest guy I had ever met.
And I was like, how is this guy not a comedian?
This doesn't even make sense.
Dude, we would go places and we would have to get up at 4 o'clock in the morning.
I would pick him up and then we'd drive to some location where we'd have to park on the corner to see if some guy who's pretending to be injured is going to work Under the table in another way.
We'd have to take pictures of him and shit.
That kind of stuff.
It was mostly insurance scams.
So I'd be sitting on the side of the road with this guy, and he would be just talking shit.
Just talking shit about life and about girls and about fucking everything from top to bottom.
He was doing a one-man show for me.
And I'm a professional, you know, not really at the time.
I was an amateur.
And I don't think I'd ever even gotten paid.
But I was an aspiring comedian.
And I'm sitting here with this guy in a car.
I'm like, this is the funniest fucking dude I've ever talked to in my life.
I'm nothing compared to him.
He's so much funnier than me.
And he never wanted to do comedy.
Even while my comedy was taking off, he never wanted to do comedy.
I'm like, Dave, you could do comedy.
He's like, fuck that.
I bust scumbags.
He was just a private investigator busting scumbags.
eddie bravo
And now, like, I don't know if it's the economy or what, but it's like this in jiu-jitsu.
Comedy and jiu-jitsu have one thing in common.
It seems like economically, it's bigger than it's ever been.
Because back like 10, 15 years ago, I remember thinking to myself, like, damn, there ain't that many motherfuckers out there that could teach seminars and make some big money.
I was like, fuck, there ain't that many.
And now, shit, seminars in jiu-jitsu are awesome.
It's like touring.
It's insane.
joe rogan
It's like touring comedians.
eddie bravo
Exactly, like comedians.
Everybody's touring.
Everyone's got their specials.
Dude, the economy is insane.
It wasn't like this 10 years ago.
Because I remember, not even 10 years ago, my business manager said, You gotta slow down with your money, because you're running out of money.
Ten, eight years ago, it wasn't always good.
But right now, man, everybody in my association, I would say 90%, everybody's growing, constantly growing.
joe rogan
Growing.
eddie bravo
Growing.
joe rogan
I think the word has gotten out about the benefits of jiu-jitsu.
There's so many people that have Instagram pages and so many people make YouTube videos.
eddie bravo
That and the economy.
joe rogan
The economy is booming.
Podcasts.
People talk about jiu-jitsu a lot.
You get to see way more videos of jiu-jitsu on Instagram or YouTube or whatever.
I mean, this is a good time for grappling.
And also, like, there's so many dominant players in grappling today, from Craig Jones, you know, to Ryan Gordon, you know, and Eddie Tonin is now Gary Tonin.
Eddie Tonin?
Gary Tonin and Eddie Cummins.
Eddie's now running his own school and Gary's fighting in MMA. Some of these super high-level, high-profile guys now have large social media followings.
Gary Tonin, he's a funny Twitter follow.
He says funny shit.
He's a smart dude.
And he's doing really well in MMA. And you're like, hey, that guy's got nasty, nasty grappling.
You see that flying scissor hook he hit in Abu Dhabi?
eddie bravo
Yep.
joe rogan
Scissor, flying heel hook, scissor takedown.
He's a legit world-class submission artist that's now fighting in MMA. Look what's happening in Abu Dhabi.
eddie bravo
Look at all the rising stars, the hottest stars.
They're all no-gi guys.
Craig Jones, Lachlan Giles.
John Blank, Gio Martinez, Gordon Ryan, Gary Tonin, all of them.
All no-gi guys.
They're not doing anything in the gi.
They're not competing in the gi.
They're no-gi guys.
So you're starting to see right now that the sport is getting so technical and so specialized that if you want to be the best in the gi, you got to spend all your time in the gi.
You want to be the best no-gi, you got to spend all your time no-gi.
It's hard to do both.
Doing both?
Man, it's tough.
Gordon Ryan's not trying to compete in the gi because he knows.
He realizes, like, damn, that's another lifetime.
joe rogan
I think that there's got to be some way where we can wake people up to how fun that shit is to watch.
Combat Jiu Jitsu goes a long way, your concept, because people get to see people get bitch slapped.
People love people getting bitch slapped.
But I think they're missing something.
eddie bravo
No, no.
I think we already have it.
We have it.
We have combat Jiu Jitsu.
That's the best shit.
And then we also have quintet.
Quintet is the best way to make Jiu Jitsu a team sport.
That quintet is awesome.
joe rogan
I agree, but what I'm talking about is they're missing something that makes it mainstream.
eddie bravo
All it is, remember UFC, we all knew in the UFC when it was underground, we all knew that it was the greatest sport ever.
We all knew that, but the world didn't know that.
And what happened?
To awaken the world was The Ultimate Fighter with Forrest Griffin and Stephen Bonner, right?
That's the one that blew...
Everybody knows that's part of history.
You could put that in that UFC documentary.
That show blew up MMA, blew up the UFC... And it wasn't because all of a sudden the UFC became more entertaining after that.
They figured it out after that.
It was always the same sport, but over here no one knew about it.
Over here everybody knows about it and they love it.
There just needed to be something to expose the world to what already existed, not change what already existed.
It was already perfect, just people didn't know about it.
Now people know about it.
It's the same thing.
Ultimate Fighter, Forrest Griffin, they blew it up.
So when it comes to grappling, I think it's going to be some...
We're going to do Combat Jiu-Jitsu Worlds Quintet style.
We're going to do them both.
We're doing both.
joe rogan
Are you going to do tag team?
eddie bravo
No.
joe rogan
That tag team shit is hilarious.
eddie bravo
Do you remember?
You know what quintet is, right?
joe rogan
Yes, yes.
Quintet is five against five, right?
It's random who winds up with who in terms of weight classes.
eddie bravo
So what I'm going to do is do combat jujitsu.
Five against five.
joe rogan
No, don't do that.
Bro, the big guys are going to smash the little people.
eddie bravo
No, no, no, no, no, no, no.
But we're going to change it.
It's going to be five on five, but it's going to be the featherweights.
Everyone's going to be 145. Everybody's going to be the same way.
We're not going to do David and Goliath.
joe rogan
Right, right, right.
eddie bravo
Because all that ends up happening there is the small guy tries to survive to get the big guy out.
So that kind of fucks up the strategy, you know what I mean, of pure jujitsu.
But when everybody's the same weight, there's no reason to take anybody out.
Every fight, you want to beat the guy, not just hold him.
Because if I'm going against a guy that's 20 pounds heavier than me, the smart strategy would be just don't get tapped and hold on and get him out of there.
joe rogan
Right.
eddie bravo
That fucks up the sport.
joe rogan
Is Quintet...
Did they set it up where the five people have a total weight limit?
eddie bravo
Yes.
So there's all these mismatches, but it's a beautiful thing.
I love that, too.
I love that, too, but I'm going to do it different.
joe rogan
A total weight limit?
Yeah, like 850...
eddie bravo
Five people, 850 pounds.
joe rogan
Something like that.
eddie bravo
900 pounds or something like that.
joe rogan
So you got to figure out what you got to choose.
Like all 170 pounders.
unidentified
I like that.
It's interesting.
eddie bravo
It's pretty badass.
But when it comes to combat jiu-jitsu, they all got to be this.
We're going to do welterweights five on five.
You have to.
Middleweights five on five.
But the same thing, like if there's a draw here, they both get DQ'd.
It's gonna be the same concept, but at the end, what's gonna be a little different too is that a lot of times in Quintet, you have like every match is a draw and they all, you know, it's a tie.
They're all eliminated at the same time.
So then at that point, they go to whoever has the most penalty cards, and if that's a tie, then they go to a judge's decision.
In my version, if it goes to a tie, then we go, each team picks the opposing team's EBIOT competitor, and they decide an EBIOT, which is basically a rear naked choke shootout.
We do it a little different.
We're keeping that EBIOT as a tiebreaker.
That's it.
Not in every match, just at the very end of it's a tie, we go to EBIOT. I love it.
joe rogan
It's a great idea.
eddie bravo
It's going to be crazy, yeah.
It's going to be nuts, dude.
joe rogan
I think grappling is probably, just even watching grappling on YouTube, I mean, many times I look at videos, there's a million views.
Many times.
There's more people watching grappling and paying attention to high-level grappling on YouTube now.
I think any time that I could ever remember.
eddie bravo
Yeah, there's so many shows now.
There's Fight to Win.
joe rogan
What's Chael Sutton's one?
eddie bravo
Submission Underground.
joe rogan
Submission Underground.
eddie bravo
Yeah, and then there's Kasai, and then there's Finishers, which they got a great one.
They got a quintet-style finishers coming up.
Ultimate Matt Warriors.
joe rogan
It's a good time for combat sports.
eddie bravo
Yeah, there's a whole shitload.
joe rogan
Dude, you know what I'm looking forward to as much as anything?
unidentified
What?
joe rogan
Deontay Wilder, Tyson Fury 2. Oh, shit.
eddie bravo
When is that?
joe rogan
That's soon.
eddie bravo
Soon?
unidentified
A couple weeks?
joe rogan
I want to say that's February.
Is that what it is, Jamie?
unidentified
Wait a second.
joe rogan
February 22nd?
unidentified
February 22nd.
eddie bravo
And that's the one where Tyson got knocked down and he rose from the dead.
joe rogan
Yeah.
eddie bravo
And he won or lost?
joe rogan
He still won.
It was a draw.
It was a draw.
But most people feel, like if you look at it objectively, there's two ways of looking at it.
If you look at it objectively, Tyson Fury outboxed him.
He beat him ten rounds to two.
But if you look at it in terms of chaos and wildness and what counts more...
Deontay Wilder floored him twice.
At one time, literally, he saw his soul pull out of his body, then he grabbed his soul by the ankle and dragged it back in.
Tyson Fury just rose like no one expected and fought his way out of a terrible situation and then dominated the rest of the round.
In my eyes, Tyson Fury won the fight.
But in my eyes, I'm fine with a draw because Deontay Wilder nuked him into orbit twice.
It was so chaos, I couldn't say who really won one.
eddie bravo
I want to watch that shit.
And I gave up on boxing, but I watch the heavyweight division now.
It seems like it's awesome now.
joe rogan
Deontay is from another planet, man.
He's got Thanos' glove in his right hand.
eddie bravo
How about Francis Ngannou against him?
joe rogan
Well, I mean, I think Francis really legitimately could be a top-tier heavyweight because of his power and because of his speed.
His knockout ability is insane.
If he really got into boxing the way he got into MMA, I think he really could be a top-flight boxer.
But you wouldn't want him just jumping right in with Deontay Wilder.
Deontay Wilder is a bronze medalist in the Olympics, world-class boxer.
I mean, he has an insane record.
You know he has the most insane record in the history of the heavyweight division?
Does he?
If I'm right, pull up Deontay Wilders.
eddie bravo
More than Mike Tyson?
joe rogan
Oh, dude, listen, way more.
Way crazier.
It's literally 40 knockouts, one draw, one decision.
unidentified
Wow.
joe rogan
Dude!
unidentified
Dude!
eddie bravo
Every fight's a knockout.
He's a fucking monster!
That is the most insane.
joe rogan
He's a monster!
He's a monster, dude.
He's a monster.
No one hits like him.
It doesn't make any sense.
He hit that last dude, Luis Ortiz, on the forehead, and his body went just like, bam!
Just shut down.
He just bop!
He just catches guys with these punches, and everybody gets flying.
unidentified
You know him on the show?
joe rogan
He's a great guy.
eddie bravo
He was on the show, right?
joe rogan
Yeah, he's a great guy.
You know what he told me?
He told me that when he fought Tyson Fury, he weighed 209 pounds.
I was like, what?
He goes, yeah, I don't know why I was so light.
That's just how heavy I was.
He doesn't try to put on weight because he knows he can nuke people.
And it's all stand-up, right?
So there's probably a benefit of being a 209-pound guy in boxing where there's no leg kicks, it's speed, and he has crazy power.
Like, it's undeniable power.
But no one can smother him and drag him to the ground, do all kinds of shit that heavy people can do in an MMA fight right now.
In boxing, I think he might have an advantage.
eddie bravo
I think, yeah, at 210 pounds, that's probably the max weight for power.
Like, anything extra is going to slow down the power.
Now you're going to slow down the speed.
joe rogan
I would agree with you until you get to Francis.
Francis hits so much harder than anyone that's 205 pounds.
Dude, he hits people so hard.
Francis is a different animal.
Because he hits a really strong 205 pounder, but then you add 60 pounds of muscle on top of that.
eddie bravo
I know what you're saying, but what I'm saying is...
Once you start sacrificing speed, maybe it's the speed because he's smaller.
The speed gets it through and he's got enough power.
Maybe not the most power you could have, but enough power to knock people out.
But he still has the speed because he's smaller?
joe rogan
Maybe.
eddie bravo
Maybe.
unidentified
Does that make sense?
joe rogan
I mean, it's a trade-off for sure, but I don't think Francis is slow at all.
See, the thing about a Francis guy is like a thing about Conor in a lot of ways.
eddie bravo
What does he walk at?
joe rogan
Francis is giant, man.
eddie bravo
He walks at 250?
joe rogan
More than 260. Oh, okay.
More than 260 walking around and moves very fast.
But those guys that have a lot of, like Conor, fast twitch muscle fiber, like Farah Sahabi talked about on the podcast.
He was like, those guys, they're sprinters.
They're just jumping and leaping.
And Daniel Cormier always talks about them as big actions.
These big actions they're doing.
They require a lot of energy.
And those guys are rarely the guys who have the most stamina.
But they're the guys who are definitely the most dangerous for short amounts of time.
And if you saw in the Stipe fight, Stipe weathered the storm with Francis and then grabbed a hold of him and managed to wear him out.
Start dragging him to the ground and beat him up on the ground.
That fight showed you what the problems are with that fucking sprinting style.
You've got to fight every fight.
You know this guy can definitely make it to the fifth round.
You've got to fight every fight.
You're not looking for the knockout, but if it's there, it's awesome.
And if you don't, you're never going to beat the elite of the elite.
And the elite of the elite is Stipe.
Stipe is the elite of the elite.
He's the guy who's regained the heavyweight title.
He's defended it more than anybody ever.
eddie bravo
Ever?
joe rogan
Ever.
He's got the record.
Stipe Miocic has defended the UFC heavyweight title more than anyone.
eddie bravo
How many times is that?
joe rogan
I believe it's four.
I believe he had four successful title defenses.
eddie bravo
That's crazy.
joe rogan
Yes.
And then loses Daniel Cormier and then comes back and knocks out Daniel Cormier to retain the title.
eddie bravo
That's a Muhammad Ali type epic show.
joe rogan
He's epic.
He's epic.
Stipe's epic.
He doesn't get nearly enough love.
For what he's done, like for martial arts.
It's just he's not as flashy as some guys.
He doesn't talk a lot of shit.
He just puts his nose to the grindstone and gets his work done.
But if you look at his accomplishments, knocked out Alistair Overeem, knocked out Junior Dos Santos.
I mean, he's a fucking monster, man.
He's a monster, you know?
Knocks out Daniel Cormier to regain his title.
He's a fucking animal.
And the only guy, I mean...
Derek Lewis beat Francis Ngannou, but it was a crazy fight where really nothing happened.
It was a weird fight.
But Stipe's the first guy to beat him.
Stipe beat him.
You know, he got a hold of Francis and he actually beat him.
He's the only guy.
Everybody else is just running from those hammers, son.
Those hammers coming at you from Francis.
eddie bravo
Are you a Stipe fan because he's from Cleveland?
Does that have any bearing?
unidentified
Sure.
eddie bravo
Oh, really?
Okay.
joe rogan
Cleveland people probably don't like Columbus people when they're all in Ohio together.
unidentified
What's that?
joe rogan
Once they're outside, then they become like, okay, we've got Ohio people, we've got to sit together.
It's Ohio, Michigan, not Ohio, Ohio.
eddie bravo
More Browns fans in Columbus than Bengals fans, right?
More Bengals fans.
unidentified
It's very close.
50-50?
Yeah.
eddie bravo
Damn.
Okay.
joe rogan
Ohio's an awesome spot, man.
It's a fun spot to go to, too.
It's like a fun spot to do stand-up at.
eddie bravo
I'm trying to book some gigs out there.
I'm trying to do a seminar out there.
joe rogan
Do you do seminar and show the same weekend?
eddie bravo
I try to do a show on Friday night, seminar Saturday morning, and then get the fuck out.
But sometimes when I'll do a show Saturday night, too, it's hard to do a seminar.
Sometimes I can't do it both.
joe rogan
What's the most time you've ever done on stage?
eddie bravo
Like 40 minutes?
joe rogan
Damn.
unidentified
Yeah.
Look at that.
eddie bravo
Is that a lot?
joe rogan
It's a good amount.
It's close to headliner.
You know, like it used to be that a headliner had to do 45. It used to be there was 15 minutes for the opener, 30 minutes for the middle act, and then 45 minutes for the closer.
That was always the formula.
eddie bravo
I like just being that dude opening up, no pressure.
If I fuck up, you're gonna have a killer neck, so relax.
You know what I mean?
I like no pressure.
I like hiding behind Sam Tripoli.
I love that shit.
I'm like, you got a killer about to go on, so if I don't do so well, just relax.
joe rogan
Sam Tripoli is the tip of the spear.
When it comes to stand-up, that's what I always call him.
I'm like, that's the front line.
That's the guy we send in.
You know, because Sam will go hard.
Sam Tripoli will go hard, the paint.
eddie bravo
You know the one thing?
I think about the comedy store and back when we used to hang out there in 2001 and all the people that were there like Ari and Sam Tripoli and Duncan, all those dudes back then, like Sebastian and Eddie Griffin, all those dudes, they blew the fuck up.
But not everybody.
Not Sam, not Steve Simone.
There's a couple other guys, but some dudes just got fucking big.
Everyone's fucking rich now.
It's crazy.
And my philosophy is, not philosophy, but what I take from comedy is, for sure you're going to give your best performance when you have success.
Like a packed house and they all love you.
You're gonna give a good performance, right?
Because you feel all that energy and it gives it back to you.
As opposed to like doing stand-up in front of like six people and they don't know who you are.
That's probably not going to be your best set, maybe.
Most of the time, it ain't going to be your best set.
It ain't going to compare it to a whole fucking room filled with people that love you.
And then all that energy makes you give your best performance ever, right?
And Sam never really got that.
So Sam was always like, hey, yeah, he's a good comic, but no one was saying, oh, he's amazing.
They were saying, hey, he's good, he's good.
Because they only saw him without fame in front of audiences like in the OR where no one really knew him.
And so those are fucking hard crowds, dude.
That's a hard room, dude.
But now when we're doing Tinfoil Hat, people are showing up for him, dude.
They love him.
So now you're seeing Sam in front of 200 people, 250 people that love him or screaming for him.
And you're seeing the best of him because now he's got a crowd that's screaming for him and he comes out, dude, I'm telling you, I'm telling you, he crushes on the road.
When we go on the road and do a tinfoil hat, Sam destroys, dude.
unidentified
I'm sure.
joe rogan
Dude, I've known Sam forever, man.
unidentified
It's crazy.
joe rogan
He's a funny guy.
I'm glad it's all happening for him.
eddie bravo
So the thing with comedy is like, you never really get to see what a comic really is about until he performs in front of a...
And it's like a Catch-22, because you ain't going to have a packed room that knows you unless you acquired some kind of fame somehow through a TV show or through something, through the internet.
But...
Man, now you're starting to see, right now you're starting to see the real Sam.
You're starting to see him peeking and shit.
It's awesome.
Every time we go out there, I'm like, dude, you're fucking crushing.
He's out there just smashing.
joe rogan
Beautiful.
eddie bravo
Yeah.
joe rogan
Shout out to Sam.
Sam Tripoli's the best, dude.
eddie bravo
And not only that, dude.
Seriously, Sam is one of the fucking coolest guys.
joe rogan
He's beautiful.
eddie bravo
You know I wouldn't say that.
I wouldn't say that.
That guy's a beautiful person.
joe rogan
I'm doing this show on Tuesday.
The Armenian Assassin.
eddie bravo
Oh shit.
joe rogan
Eddie Bravo.
This was fun, man.
eddie bravo
Thank you, man.
Can I give a couple of plugs?
January 24th, Dallas, Fort Worth, Hyenas, Tinfoil Hat, me and Sam, and then the next day, January 25th, in Oklahoma City at Bricktown Comedy Club.
Hope to see you there.
Thank you very much.
Love everybody.
joe rogan
Oh, and stay tuned.
We're going to be announcing a big 420 show in Vancouver.
Oh, shit!
It'll be announced this week.
We're very excited.
Oh, shit.
That's it.
Bye, everybody.
eddie bravo
420?
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