Oct. 28, 2019 - The Joe Rogan Experience
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| Three, two, one. | ||
| What's up, Dave? | ||
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How are you, brother? | |
| And we're live, bitches. | ||
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unidentified
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Yes, indeed. | |
| You wanted to say that, huh? | ||
| Yeah, I just thought I wanted it. | ||
| Thanks for doing this, man. | ||
| I appreciate it. | ||
| Thanks for having me. | ||
| Dude, I've watched you fight a bunch of times online, and Letway is probably one of the most brutal combat sports in the world, and it's so interesting watching a guy like you. | ||
| Are you Quebecois? | ||
| Is that what you say? | ||
| Quebecois, you're good. | ||
| How's your French? | ||
| It's not bad. | ||
| It's terrible! | ||
| It doesn't matter. | ||
| I don't know anything in French. | ||
| But how do you go from Montreal to being the king of Latwe? | ||
| Yeah, it's a crazy journey, man. | ||
| And, like, in a way, it was... | ||
| If we go there right away? | ||
| Yeah, let's go there right away. | ||
| Yeah, basically, when I was... | ||
| I used to play baseball. | ||
| I was a baseball... | ||
| I was a pitcher in Pennsylvania. | ||
| I was, like, doing a bunch of, like, university baseball. | ||
| Traveling team. | ||
| And then I got into, like, a fight with my father. | ||
| Shout out to my father. | ||
| A fist fight with your father? | ||
| No, it never went physical. | ||
| But it was going very hard, and both my parents said, Dave, please leave. | ||
| You're kicked out of the house. | ||
| How old were you? | ||
| 17, 18. Wow. | ||
| So I had no money, and I was almost... | ||
| It was minus four fire nights, so for you guys, minus 20 degrees Celsius. | ||
| I called my friend, like, come pick me up, and I couched her for a few months, and finally got a place, got my shit together. | ||
| But then I had a fire. | ||
| We didn't speak for many years. | ||
| We actually have a good relationship now. | ||
| And I believe that nothing good comes out of comfort, right? | ||
| Like hardship. | ||
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So I had a lot of, like I said, fuck baseball. | |
| I wanted to fight. | ||
| Because of that? | ||
| Yeah, I guess. | ||
| That's so crazy. | ||
| So because of getting angry at your dad, that's what made you want to learn how to fight? | ||
| It's like, I resume it maybe like that a little bit. | ||
| I hope it doesn't take it the wrong way. | ||
| Well, it worked out, so you shouldn't take it the wrong way. | ||
| I mean, it all worked out well. | ||
| True. | ||
| And then actually, funny enough, my first love was grappling. | ||
| I did a lot of competition, like no gi. | ||
| I won some in gi, but it was mostly no gi. | ||
| And then I actually had my league called the SFL. It was like a submission fight league. | ||
| Once a month, I had guys organized. | ||
| I was not fighting, I was just organizing it. | ||
| And I got the guys fighting. | ||
| Submission only, not IBGDF. And where was this at? | ||
| In Quebec, near Montreal. | ||
| So then we're doing this. | ||
| And then I said to my coach, my Sifu, Sifu Patrick, again, shout out to my coach. | ||
| I said, I never want to do anything other than grappling. | ||
| He said, well, you're tall and you're good reach. | ||
| Maybe you should consider it. | ||
| I said, no, I only want to do Nogi. | ||
| He's like, okay. | ||
| He lets me do my shit. | ||
| And then, yeah, eventually I started doing, I come from Sanda background. | ||
| Sanda, right? | ||
| Which is a style of martial arts. | ||
| Yeah, so Chinese martial arts, all the army in China does that pretty much, and it's pretty cool. | ||
| So wide stance, spinning attacks, you know, and cool stuff. | ||
| A lot of throws. | ||
| I was actually with Kung Lee in San Jose last week. | ||
| No shit! | ||
| Yeah, we did some nice headbutt videos. | ||
| Oh, wow. | ||
| We need to do one together after. | ||
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Alright. | |
| Have you done a headbutt before? | ||
| No, not really. | ||
| I've never headbutted a person. | ||
| On the pads? | ||
| I've fucked around, you know, and headbutted the bag, but just joking. | ||
| I've never, I've never, like I've seen your pad routines where you incorporate headbutts into the pads. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| I feel like you fight like you train. | ||
| So if you don't train it, how the hell are you going to throw it in a fight? | ||
| Do a lot of people headbutt pads? | ||
| I'm teaching them now. | ||
| So you originated it? | ||
| I've never seen anybody do it but you. | ||
| I mean, I've seen people headbutt people in fights, particularly in the UFC, the early days. | ||
| Mark Coleman, when he was the heavyweight champion, he was the godfather of ground and pound. | ||
| Big, gigantic wrestler. | ||
| And he would take guys down and get on top of them. | ||
| It didn't matter if you were in the guard. | ||
| He headbutt the fuck out of you. | ||
| I mean, when they took away his headbutts, you know, because they changed the rules, they took away fucking 20% of his game. | ||
| 20% of his game, he'd control you, bang, bang! | ||
| Just slam his forehead into your nose, you know, you couldn't see, then he'd pound the shit out of you. | ||
| I mean, that was one of the ways he became the champ. | ||
| So they took it out from the UFC? They took it out of the rules. | ||
| Which I don't totally understand why. | ||
| If you can elbow in the face and the eye sockets and the nose, why can't you headbutt? | ||
| I don't know. | ||
| It's because a headbutt cuts, an elbow cuts, and you actually can do way more with an elbow than a headbutt. | ||
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unidentified
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Sure. | |
| And so knees, knees cut as well. | ||
| True. | ||
| Yeah, I think it should be legal. | ||
| I think so too. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| Well, obviously you do. | ||
| Yeah, I'm a big proponent. | ||
| Because you're excellent at it. | ||
| So how did you get, explain the path to Lepwe? | ||
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Yeah. | |
| Okay, so now we're basically starting to do striking. | ||
| So then I do a couple fight nights, and I love it. | ||
| I start fighting, but then it's illegal in Canada. | ||
| You can't do like full, even Muay Thai is illegal. | ||
| Muay Thai is illegal in Canada? | ||
| Pro Muay Thai. | ||
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What? | |
| Yeah, no elbows. | ||
| But how come the UFC is legal? | ||
| Tell me about it. | ||
| Oh my god. | ||
| That's so crazy. | ||
| You can do MMA, but you have to do headgear and shit for Muay Thai. | ||
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unidentified
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Wow. | |
| Even in France. | ||
| Shin pads? | ||
| I'm not sure, but there's no elbows guaranteed. | ||
| No elbows. | ||
| So amateur Muay Thai, no elbows. | ||
| Well, that's not Muay Thai then. | ||
| No, it's not. | ||
| Oh, that's crazy. | ||
| Even in France, I think Muay Thai, like Thai fight, when you go there, they have elbow pads. | ||
| Really? | ||
| Yep. | ||
| Sunshine was fighting with elbow pads last time. | ||
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unidentified
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What? | |
| Yes, yes, in France. | ||
| Sunshine with elbow pads is hilarious. | ||
| In France, yeah. | ||
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Wow. | |
| That's crazy. | ||
| And then what else? | ||
| And then basically, I went to Thailand for the first time because my friends were there, and it's just easier to, because Myanmar was, like, for those who don't know, it used to be called Burma, and now it's Myanmar, and it was super hard to get visas and, you know, a bunch of things, stuff like that. | ||
| So I go there. | ||
| I do my first pro Muay Thai fight because I was, like, partying, and I was like, I want to get a fight. | ||
| So they give me a fight, I win. | ||
| How much training had you done? | ||
| You did Sanda, and then what else? | ||
| Well, I did sando and grappling. | ||
| That's it? | ||
| And MMA, yeah, so basically like overall. | ||
| So no Muay Thai? | ||
| Never did Muay Thai before my first Muay Thai fight. | ||
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What? | |
| Yeah, it was a brawl. | ||
| That is crazy. | ||
| It's not beautiful to watch, but yeah. | ||
| Wow, how many people can say that? | ||
| I never did Muay Thai before my first Muay Thai fight. | ||
| I don't know, but I got lucky. | ||
| I got a nice elbow in the clinch and cut him up right here. | ||
| So you started thinking about elbows then? | ||
| Yeah, that's my elbows now. | ||
| Yeah, but like, just to back up a little bit, basically my coach, Sifu Pat, showed me back then a Black Belt magazine, Burmese boxing, probably the same that you saw or something. | ||
| And then I'm like, I want to do this, right? | ||
| And started watching videos, but there was nothing. | ||
| It was like black and white. | ||
| It was super hard to find. | ||
| There was nothing about Litoi. | ||
| So I just put it on the ice, but my dream was always to go to Myanmar one day. | ||
| But at the time, you know, Tiger Muay Thai was super big. | ||
| It's like easy. | ||
| I have fights every week. | ||
| You don't even need to get a visa. | ||
| It's 30 days for Canadians right away. | ||
| Really? | ||
| So I was like, okay, my friends are there. | ||
| They invite me to Tiger. | ||
| And I have a good relationship with them now. | ||
| Basically, I ended up winning their tryouts. | ||
| And it was a big year. | ||
| That year, we had Dan Hooker, myself. | ||
| Alec Rosnowski was there. | ||
| Peter Yan. | ||
| So all the guys were... | ||
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Oh, great. | |
| Great fighters. | ||
| Yeah, a good fight. | ||
| And then they were for the MMA. I was for Muay Thai. | ||
| So we got a scholarship. | ||
| So, look, you're still following me? | ||
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Yeah, yeah. | |
| So then, and then I go to, I get that little, like, I mean, thank you for giving me that room, guys, but it was like a shitty room with a toilet. | ||
| It was a bed and a toilet, you know? | ||
| But I'm happy at the time. | ||
| I had no money. | ||
| You know, I just, like, I'm happy. | ||
| I'm happy with this. | ||
| We had, like, actually, my wife is watching right now. | ||
| We had, like, called it the black hole in the toilet. | ||
| There was the, you mean, AC was leaking, and it was so, like, it was so disgusting. | ||
| There was, like, we called it the black hole. | ||
| The mold? | ||
| The mold, yeah. | ||
| Oh, that's terrible for you. | ||
| I know. | ||
| Tell me about it. | ||
| Yeah, some of that mold can be toxic, right? | ||
| Yeah, and my wife is not very happy about it. | ||
| I'm sure they weren't testing that mold either. | ||
| So then we get this, and then, like, I remember, like, it's yesterday. | ||
| We're on the bed, and, like, I'm making one fight a month in Thailand, and I'm, you know, it's like, I'm telling, I actually got myself in the Max Muay Thai tournament. | ||
| I was trying to get my name, you know, in the Phuket Stadium, in the Phuket circuit, and then one time, like, the manager pulled me out, and he's like, you're not good enough, because they wanted me to be super stadium-like, you know, check, blocked. | ||
| Check, block. | ||
| I was wide stance. | ||
| I was catching kicks, punching back. | ||
| I was not like they wanted me to do at all. | ||
| Not good for gamblers, because gamblers, they start gambling in the second round, and I was winning the first round, so they don't make money with me. | ||
| Oh, so they wanted you to... | ||
| For people who don't understand what we're talking about, in Thailand, it's traditional that the fighters fight slowly in the first round. | ||
| They just sort of feel each other out. | ||
| Once the bets are all in place, then they go hard in the second and third round. | ||
| But a lot of fighters would go over there, especially from other countries, and just fuck people up in the first round. | ||
| Yeah, and that's what you did. | ||
| Yeah, and they didn't like me for that. | ||
| So what did they tell you to do? | ||
| Did they tell you to slow down the first round? | ||
| You didn't tell me anything. | ||
| Just pull me out of the tournament and say, you're not good enough. | ||
| Not good enough? | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| But you're winning. | ||
| I was winning fights, yeah. | ||
| So that's how I'm starting to get pissed a little bit. | ||
| And then I'm making shit money and I sold everything that I had at the time to go to Thailand. | ||
| So... | ||
| I'm a bit in hardship. | ||
| I'm like, what am I going to do? | ||
| And then I meet Irina, my wife. | ||
| Now we're married by the time we were just together. | ||
| And she said, when do we want to have kids? | ||
| Are you going to have kids with $200 a month? | ||
| Is that what you were making for a fight? | ||
| $200 a fight in the Phuket Stadium. | ||
| It's like $10,000 baht. | ||
| Sorry, $6,000 baht. | ||
| It's disgusting. | ||
| Wow. | ||
| That's what people get. | ||
| For a whole month, you were living off $200. | ||
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unidentified
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Yeah. | |
| I was getting in debt. | ||
| Thank God I had credit before coming to Thailand. | ||
| You're burning through that shit too, though. | ||
| Oh yeah, fast. | ||
| 50 bucks a week? | ||
| That's kind of crazy. | ||
| Yeah, I was spending like $500 a week, so I was getting in debt pretty fast. | ||
| Wow. | ||
| Like fast. | ||
| So by the time, you know, and I'm like, okay, what am I going to do? | ||
| So we're crying on the bed. | ||
| My wife is like, you know, I believe in you. | ||
| You can do whatever you want. | ||
| I think you can be champion. | ||
| I said, I don't want to be just champion anywhere. | ||
| I want to be champion in the most brutal shit in the world. | ||
| But Latwe, it was almost unattainable at the time. | ||
| Explain to people the rules of left weight because we keep talking about it. | ||
| Headbutts, no gloves. | ||
| Takedowns allowed. | ||
| So suplex on the head, elbows to the back of the head, they don't care. | ||
| Takedowns allowed. | ||
| Soccer kicks? | ||
| Soccer kicks? | ||
| To the body, but sort of. | ||
| On the way down. | ||
| Yeah, you can kick them in the head. | ||
| Body lock and on the way down you headbutt. | ||
| Then you get back up. | ||
| The referee doesn't care. | ||
| Is that a rule though? | ||
| Is it legal? | ||
| It's a gray line. | ||
| Gray line. | ||
| A gray area. | ||
| So you can actually do a takedown and then drop the knee, like knee stomp, and then it's okay. | ||
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Really? | |
| Yeah. | ||
| They say that basically you're supposed to help a brother up. | ||
| So when you fall down, you help him up and you fight. | ||
| So the mentality is like we fight for 15 minutes and we punch each other in the face with elbows, headbutts and everything. | ||
| And let's see first who quits. | ||
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Wow. | |
| But then if you go on the floor, we get up. | ||
| They want action-packed, you know? | ||
| Even though I love the ground, I think it's true that on the feet it's more exciting sometimes. | ||
| Well, it's easier for people to understand for sure. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| Especially for people that don't train. | ||
| They always want stand-up fights. | ||
| True. | ||
| So how did you wind up going over to Myanmar? | ||
| So, okay. | ||
| So just, again, I watched a Vice documentary on prison fights. | ||
| Okay, look at that. | ||
| Oh, that's hilarious. | ||
| So the prison fight thing, that's again for in Thailand. | ||
| For those who don't know, it's sanctioned by the Thai Department of Correction. | ||
| And they didn't do, I was on the last one ever in 2014. And basically, it's inmates fighting foreigners. | ||
| And if the inmate wins, the sentence is reduced. | ||
| Whoa! | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| Have you heard about this? | ||
| No. | ||
| Okay, prison fight. | ||
| Yeah, I did that. | ||
| And we were, so basically we go into maximum security prison outside of Bangkok, maximum security prison. | ||
| And it's like a movie, man. | ||
| Like they made a movie actually about it recently. | ||
| I was on the real deal. | ||
| Wow. | ||
| Yeah, and I was with my Turkish friend. | ||
| We go there. | ||
| They take away our phones. | ||
| We got that big metal door. | ||
| We go underneath. | ||
| I have goosebumps talking about it. | ||
| And then we go, we see 800 inmates. | ||
| They're all there for either rape, gang rape, murder, drug trafficking. | ||
| And they can get their sentence reduced if they win a fight? | ||
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Yeah. | |
| What if they win two fights? | ||
| One guy actually, it was on Showtime. | ||
| They did a documentary on Showtime. | ||
| And he actually won the finale. | ||
| He won against an American. | ||
| And he got released. | ||
| A murderer? | ||
| Actually, what I heard, correct me if I'm wrong, but he was in a bar and somebody talked about his girlfriend or touched his girlfriend. | ||
| He went back, he took a knife and stabbed the guy in the neck and he got in prison for that, for murder basically. | ||
| And he got out for fighting well. | ||
| Fighting very well. | ||
| Holy shit. | ||
| Don't go to that part of the world with a squeamish stomach. | ||
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Fudge. | |
| So it was, but actually those guys, they do some mistakes, but they were fighting in Lumpini. | ||
| They were like high-level guys, you know? | ||
| Really? | ||
| Yeah, maybe not like all champions, but they were like- They knew how to fight. | ||
| 100 fights and up. | ||
| So I got a guy who was there for trafficking meth and vitamin, meth. | ||
| It was like 10 years. | ||
| And basically, me, actually, maybe you know Anvar Bozanarov, he fights in Glory, and he was actually, he fought for the belt against- He actually lost at the belt recently. | ||
| Me and him at the time. | ||
| He was not in glory at the time. | ||
| We fought there. | ||
| And only me and another Iranian won the prison fight. | ||
| And what are the rules? | ||
| So it's a three-round fight. | ||
| Muay Thai rules with gloves, with big pillows. | ||
| Eight ounces. | ||
| So, at the time, again, my goal was always to go to Myanmar. | ||
| So, look at that. | ||
| So, basically, after this, I go back to Canada, and I'm like, my head is like, I don't want to be in minus 4 degrees Celsius, you know, minus 20 in Celsius. | ||
| So, I'm like, how can I go back to Asia? | ||
| And so, I go to... | ||
| I go back, I save money, I go back, and then... | ||
| I'm losing my thoughts. | ||
| Basically, when I get that situation with Irina, we're stressing for money, we're stressing for the future... | ||
| I called up the prison fight promoter, and at the time I said, you have a fight for me, I need to get money. | ||
| He said, well, I don't promote Muay Thai anymore, I promote Latwe. | ||
| You want to fight Latwe? | ||
| I'm like, yes, I've always wanted to do this. | ||
| So he's like, well, if you want, I have this guy, Tutu, T-O-O-T-O, he's an undefeated champion, Latwe rules, 36 fights. | ||
| His name is Tutu? | ||
| Tutu. | ||
| Wow. | ||
| That's his real name. | ||
| He was undefeated in how many fights? | ||
| 36 fights. | ||
| That means it's all KO, right? | ||
| Because traditional Latwe, it's KO only to win. | ||
| We forgot to say that. | ||
| Really? | ||
| There's no point system. | ||
| No points. | ||
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unidentified
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No. | |
| How many rounds? | ||
| Five rounds. | ||
| So what happens if you go five rounds? | ||
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Draw. | |
| Whoa. | ||
| Even if you're fucking the dude up. | ||
| That's what happened. | ||
| Wow! | ||
| So basically, I said, I don't care. | ||
| Let's fight. | ||
| I want it because it's my dream. | ||
| So he's like, well, how many fights do you have? | ||
| Well, I have 10 Muay Thai fights. | ||
| Oh, Muay Thai? | ||
| Well, he's, you know, 50 fights in Latwe and you have 10 fights in Muay Thai. | ||
| Well, let me do something. | ||
| He lied on the record. | ||
| He said, I have 40 fights. | ||
| Okay? | ||
| And then I go over. | ||
| I go over there. | ||
| I'm like, I don't care. | ||
| Because my coach, Sifu Patrick, and I, we were always, like, you know, eye-gouging and, like, practicing. | ||
| That's the mentality of it. | ||
| Aggressivity, like fish-hooking in the clinch or in the grappling. | ||
| Can you do that in that way? | ||
| No. | ||
| No. | ||
| But, I mean, you could probably fish-hook if... | ||
| Probably. | ||
| Probably? | ||
| I mean, they don't care, really. | ||
| Really? | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| But as long as, you know, eye-pokes, you know? | ||
| Right. | ||
| So, anyway, so I was always ready for that. | ||
| I wanted that aggressive... | ||
| Fights. | ||
| So I go to the fight and some kind of energy comes in my body. | ||
| I don't know. | ||
| I don't believe in that stuff. | ||
| But I just disfigured him. | ||
| He didn't touch me much. | ||
| I was using my push kick to the thighs. | ||
| I was keeping that distance. | ||
| And then I went inside. | ||
| I used my elbows. | ||
| And if you see the fight, it really puffed up. | ||
| It was pretty cool. | ||
| And then that was my first fight. | ||
| And the crowd... | ||
| They were throwing bottles a little bit. | ||
| Why were they throwing bottles? | ||
| Because he's their champion? | ||
| Yeah, but then they quickly saw that I did my Likamun, which is the challenge gesture, a very old challenge gesture, and they loved it. | ||
| How does that work? | ||
| So basically, before the fight, you put your arm like this, and you... | ||
| So explain to people that are just listening. | ||
| You put one arm under your armpit? | ||
| So yeah, for those at home, so you put your left arm under your armpit and the other arm in the air, and you hit with your cupped hand on the triangle shaped of your elbow, and you... | ||
| Three times, that actually gives me more goosebumps because I triggered that to the fight. | ||
| And this is a very old gesture from Myanmar, from the Burmese army back in the days when they were in the trenches and they were fighting enemies. | ||
| You challenge with honor and courage your opponents and you do that. | ||
| And that simulates the wing of an eagle. | ||
| So they saw you do that and they got fired up because you understand the rituals. | ||
| Yes, because some of the times guys were coming from other disciplines, other country, and they were putting their white crew, they were doing a bunch of other things. | ||
| I embraced the culture. | ||
| So they liked it. | ||
| It's okay. | ||
| Because at first, basically, they wanted another tall white dude to get fucked by their guys. | ||
| I was sent there to lose. | ||
| I was sent there to die. | ||
| What weight are you competing at? | ||
| I'm 180 right now, but most of my weight is in the green area. | ||
| I hear you. | ||
| So, but like when you're fighting those guys, like what weight do you have to get down to? | ||
| So traditionally in Litwe, the Burmese guys were never really over 180 pounds. | ||
| So every weight category has a belt. | ||
| And I fight open weight. | ||
| So there was, like, I fought guys that were 200 pounds, 190 pounds. | ||
| It doesn't matter as long. | ||
| And I think in striking, it matters less than if there's wrestling involved. | ||
| Right, sure, yeah. | ||
| But, like, there's only, it's easy for people to understand in Lithuania, there's only one Golden Belt champion for each weight categories, you know? | ||
| Like, it doesn't matter, you know, Bellator, UFC, 1FC, there's one champion in Lithuania, it doesn't matter how many promotions there is. | ||
| And then, do they have, like, a stadium champion, like they have in Thailand? | ||
| No, stadiums change all the time. | ||
| Okay, so what is the organizing body? | ||
| So at the WLC, this is the World Lithuanian Championship. | ||
| It's like the Major League of Lithuania. | ||
| And yeah, now they're actually going to do, we're saying everything, but I want to, we'll be doing an event in the state next year. | ||
| Really? | ||
| Yes. | ||
| In the United States? | ||
|
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Yes. | |
| Is it legal? | ||
| You know the first state to legalize Lithuania? | ||
| Alabama. | ||
| Wyoming. | ||
| Oh, those are crazy. | ||
| Those are bare knuckle motherfuckers up there. | ||
| Those are cowboys. | ||
| Wyoming, they don't give a fuck up in Wyoming, man. | ||
| There's grizzly bears up there and there's only 80 people. | ||
| I've never been there. | ||
| It's awesome. | ||
| You've been? | ||
| It's beautiful. | ||
| No, never been there. | ||
| Okay. | ||
| Never. | ||
| I've been to neighboring towns or neighboring states, but Wyoming's gorgeous. | ||
| Okay. | ||
| But they want to do it like in Miami, in Florida. | ||
| They try to get in Florida. | ||
| They wouldn't let it go in Florida? | ||
| They're trying to get it there. | ||
| That would be more prestigious than doing Miami. | ||
| No, man. | ||
| Wyoming's the shit. | ||
| I love Wyoming. | ||
| You're going to get endorsements from Wyoming? | ||
| No, because it's one of the last truly wild places. | ||
| There's beautiful cities and beautiful homes and stuff in Wyoming, but it's a gorgeous state, and it's got real wildlife. | ||
| They have wolves and grizzly bears and elk. | ||
| You go hunt there? | ||
| I've never hunted there, but you definitely can. | ||
| Where do you hunt? | ||
| Where's the best place? | ||
| Utah. | ||
| Colorado's great. | ||
| There's a lot of... | ||
| Montana. | ||
| I've hunted in Montana. | ||
| Did you ever go out of the country? | ||
| No, I've never hunted in other countries. | ||
| If you had to go, where would it be? | ||
| Like, out of the country? | ||
| Australia's really good. | ||
| I have a good buddy of mine, Adam Greentree. | ||
| He lives in Australia. | ||
| There's a lot of hunting out there. | ||
| And New Zealand. | ||
| There's a lot of hunting in New Zealand. | ||
| It's a nice trip as far, but it's nice. | ||
| Africa's weird. | ||
| Hunting in Africa is very strange. | ||
| Like, it's got too many connotations attached to it, but there's a lot of wildlife there. | ||
| And it could be rough, too, some places. | ||
| Oh, yeah. | ||
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Oh, hell yeah. | |
| I had some stories. | ||
| I heard some stories. | ||
| Yeah, yeah. | ||
| Well, it's obviously an enormous continent, but some of the countries can definitely be rough. | ||
| But there's a lot of these areas that are supported by people hunting wildlife. | ||
| And if I did hunt, I would only be hunting things like antelope, things that you eat. | ||
| I would never hunt like an elephant or a lot of shit. | ||
| No desire. | ||
| How often do you hunt? | ||
| Because I saw it like I want to do it, too, because it looks healthy. | ||
| Oh, it's the best meat in the world. | ||
| I wish you were staying around here, man. | ||
| I'd give you some. | ||
| I have a freezer full of elk meat out there. | ||
| And how's the texture? | ||
| It's like a lean meat. | ||
| It's like venison. | ||
| If you've ever had venison, it's very lean. | ||
| You have to cook it at low temperature or slowly. | ||
| Is it chewy? | ||
| No, no. | ||
| No, it's not that chewy. | ||
| I mean, it's more chewy than, say, like a real fatty beefsteak, but I love it, man. | ||
| I love it. | ||
| It's so good for your body. | ||
| And it's like wild. | ||
| Oh yeah, 100% wild. | ||
| Yeah, just dodging mountain lions and trying not to get jacked by wolves and bears and shit. | ||
| I followed Nature is Metal because of you. | ||
| Oh, dude. | ||
| That's badass. | ||
| Nature is Metal is the best. | ||
| The best Instagram. | ||
| Kyle Dunnigan is the funniest and Nature is Metal is the best. | ||
| And one of the coolest is King Ledzook also. | ||
| That's a pretty good one too. | ||
| Yeah, right? | ||
| The headbutts. | ||
| But Nature's Metal Man, I watched one bear attack a deer and he was screaming like a human. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| Oh, in the backyard. | ||
| Yeah, yeah, yeah. | ||
| That's awful. | ||
| I always show that to people that think the bear is like these cuddly little things. | ||
| I'm like, bro, they eat deers alive. | ||
| They eat them while they're alive. | ||
| I show that to people that think that we're over nature. | ||
| We're mammals. | ||
| Yeah, we're a part of nature. | ||
| We just live in cities and we're very well protected. | ||
| But that's one of the things that I actually enjoy about hunting is when you're out there in the wild, the real wild, wandering through the mountains, you realize how vulnerable you are. | ||
| You know, when you see bears or you see mountain lions... | ||
| Even with this? | ||
| Well, I don't bring a gun. | ||
| I hunt with a bow. | ||
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Oh, you hunt? | |
| Okay, okay. | ||
| But, I mean, even with a gun, you're still... | ||
| I mean, if you don't shoot something or if it comes from behind you, like a cat, like a mountain lion will fuck you up, man. | ||
| If you have a rifle and you don't even have one in the chamber and a mountain lion jumps in your back, good luck getting... | ||
| Cracking a bullet and getting your safety off and getting some distance. | ||
| There's no way you can... | ||
| You can't eye poke the guy. | ||
| A cat? | ||
| People have survived by stabbing them. | ||
| People have survived. | ||
| There's people that have been in life or death situations with cats and they've managed to stab it. | ||
| It's possible, but it's not likely. | ||
| Likely you're getting fucked up. | ||
| If there's a simulation one day, I want to try it. | ||
| A simulation where you don't actually get your face ripped off. | ||
| And with a bear too, that would be nice. | ||
| Did you see that video recently of the trainer? | ||
| Did you see that? | ||
| Yes. | ||
| The bear just decides, you know what? | ||
| Fuck this game. | ||
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Just tears the guy apart. | |
| That can happen at any moment. | ||
| You're not supposed to do that with bears. | ||
| Say hi to them. | ||
| When you see them, hopefully you're in your car. | ||
| Keep driving. | ||
| Wave at them. | ||
| Don't get out of the fucking car. | ||
| And definitely don't try to train them. | ||
| Did you see one when there were no hair? | ||
| Oh, yeah, yeah. | ||
| It's not the most beautiful creature. | ||
| Oh, creepy looking. | ||
| Yeah, creepy looking. | ||
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Yeah. | |
| Anyway. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| Please go. | ||
| So, we're talking about the prison fight, I believe, or something like that. | ||
| So, yeah. | ||
| So, I get to... | ||
| Yeah, no, actually, we're going to... | ||
| I crossed over to Latoui, and then I was giving a... | ||
| Just to tell you how much I really wasn't prepared, how much, and it's kind of crazy how it happened. | ||
| My translator, Burmese translator, before entering the ring, told me, you know, if you want to protect your head, but don't forget to put your hand on his head, right? | ||
| I'm like, what do you mean? | ||
| He's like, well, you know, put your head. | ||
| So, if he strikes you, it's not going to cut you. | ||
| And that's what I teach in my seminars, too. | ||
| And I'm like, wow. | ||
| And that's like literally before they called my name. | ||
| So I go in the fight and actually stop the headbutt from this. | ||
| And like to people at home that, you know, let's say I try to, you know, if I would put my hand on my head in the clinch, right, and he would strike, on my forehead, and he could still strike me in the jaw. | ||
| If I put it on my jaw, I can still go to my temple. | ||
| But the goal is to, and we can do it after a little bit, I would put it on your head. | ||
| And if you strike me, it's going to stun me but not cut me. | ||
| That's the key. | ||
| But then, again, why is it so different? | ||
| It's because you lose a limb that you could use for striking. | ||
| You have to put it on the head of your opponent. | ||
| So you have one limb left to hit or whatever. | ||
| Completely different clinch. | ||
| And most people, when they clinch in Muay Thai, whatever they clinch, they hold the biceps, right? | ||
| But then in the middle, there's the headbutt. | ||
| It's really cool that there's still one martial art in the world that still will not budge, that will keep it raw. | ||
| It's an effective technique. | ||
| And this has always been my problem with glory, that glory doesn't allow elbows. | ||
| I'm like, why not have full Muay Thai rules? | ||
| Allow the clinch, allow knees to the body in the clinch, allow elbows, knees to the face, the plumb. | ||
| I mean, all those techniques are very valid. | ||
| To be able to cross over an elbow in the clinch, I mean, it's very skillful. | ||
| It's real. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| If you add elbows and then head, man, that's another element. | ||
| Yeah, that's the thing. | ||
| So that's why I think headbutts should be allowed in MMA, I believe. | ||
| I think so too. | ||
| And if not, well, we have MMA, which is like the most generalist martial art with the grappling and the wrestling and the striking. | ||
| But then in Latoya, we have like the most permissive striking sport on the feet. | ||
| That's pretty exciting to do. | ||
| Well, bare knuckle boxing, they're doing a lot of that in Wyoming, by the way. | ||
| Oh, so in Wyoming? | ||
| Yes, that's where they do it. | ||
| I think that's the only state. | ||
| See if that's the only state that allows it. | ||
| I think it might be one of the only states that allows it. | ||
| But I was a big proponent of bare knuckle and MMA. I was like, why do you get to pad the knuckles up when you don't pad the shins and the elbows? | ||
| It doesn't make any sense. | ||
| But then the cuts. | ||
| Mississippi and New Hampshire have also recently added it, but Wyoming was the first. | ||
| I needed Jamie in my life. | ||
| Yeah, there you go. | ||
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Everybody does. | |
| The cuts are huge, and that's the thing, but it's only hands, right? | ||
| If you would have your legs to push him away, you would have your elbows, you have the headbutts. | ||
| I feel... | ||
| It's even more realistic. | ||
| You think they would get less cut up? | ||
| Yeah, I get less cut, too. | ||
| And I think, you know, in a way, I actually think, like, if you look in general, most Latwe fights have a bit less cut than the bare-knuckle boxing, because it's really, you're just standing in front of each other, and you just punch. | ||
| I want to be the new generation Latwe fighter, because the Burmese, actually, they go in the pocket, and it's a bloodbath. | ||
| You know, scar tissue everywhere, short careers. | ||
| You don't fight like that? | ||
| I don't want that. | ||
| I want to go back to my wife and be, hey baby, I'm good. | ||
| So you fight, well you also are very long, right? | ||
| You're tall and long for your weight class. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| So even though you're fighting large, what are you, 6'3"? | ||
| I'm 6'2". | ||
| 6'2"? | ||
| So when you're fighting these guys, do you usually have a height advantage? | ||
| Yeah, and that's a good point. | ||
| So basically people say, because Tutu and Tuntunmin, that's another guy, Tuntunmin, he was the legend, he was the former champ, the one I defeated for the Golden Belt. | ||
| He was the openweight champ. | ||
| So Tutu was 75 kg and the other one was openweight. | ||
| So basically, Tuntunmin and him are both around 5'9", 5'10". | ||
| But the thing is, it's actually, and now after facing taller opponents like Americans and French and Australians, six foot and up, six foot three and everything, if you look at this, he's like 5'9", would it be about here, 5'10", and then the headbutt would go right away to my jaw. | ||
| And if I want to headbutt him at 5'10", 5'9", I would have to drop my level, then do a headbutt. | ||
| It's slower. | ||
| But I fought in August, Seth Bozinski is like 6'3". | ||
| Seth Bozinski fought in that way? | ||
| I didn't know that. | ||
| You fought him? | ||
| Yeah, last month. | ||
| How did it go? | ||
| Second round I got him with a weave and then a hook. | ||
| I think he was pretty cautious of the head but we didn't get in the pocket. | ||
| So, yeah, it was in Burma. | ||
| He's a cool guy. | ||
| He's a very cool guy. | ||
| Very good guy. | ||
| I didn't know he was doing that. | ||
| Yeah, he was bigger than me, though. | ||
| He's a big boy. | ||
| He's a big fellow. | ||
| He's not 170 anymore. | ||
| No, no. | ||
| I'm sure. | ||
| So, is there cutting weight in Latwa? | ||
| Well, in the WLC now, they're trying to put more strict weight class. | ||
| But before, like I said, I fought open weight. | ||
| But now open weight was very restrictive. | ||
| As the popularity of lift weight increases, there's more big guys that want to fight. | ||
| So now in WLC, I'm fighting cruiserweight, which was 185 pounds. | ||
| Dude, that guy head-butting, who's that supposed to be? | ||
| The guy on your shirt? | ||
| That's me. | ||
| That's you? | ||
| I got that by a fan. | ||
| It's pretty cool, no? | ||
| Yeah, that is cool. | ||
| And, like, it's the same face as I do when I headbutt. | ||
| You're a very angry face. | ||
| Well, I try to be kind outside of the ring. | ||
| Yeah, an angry inside of it. | ||
| And we don't let anybody... | ||
| So, have other, like, big-name guys, like Seth, you know, Seth fought in the UFC for quite a long time. | ||
| I think 11 fights, and he did the Ultimate Fighter, too. | ||
| Is there other guys at that level that are starting to make their way to Lethwe? | ||
| Well, we actually got a message the other day from Diego Sanchez. | ||
| Diego's so fucking crazy. | ||
| Of course he wants to do it. | ||
| He said, Dave, I'm not in UFC anymore. | ||
| He's not? | ||
| Oh, maybe I shouldn't say that. | ||
| Oh, shit. | ||
| He just dropped a scoop. | ||
| Diego Sanchez, not in the UFC. He said, I'm off with my contracts. | ||
| If you want to give me a lightweight fight in WLC, it would be nice. | ||
| Wow. | ||
| That fucking psycho. | ||
| Of course he wants to do it. | ||
| I think he would love it. | ||
| Oh, yeah, he would love it. | ||
| He's perfect for it. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| I'll corner him too. | ||
| Yeah, that's interesting. | ||
| But so, yeah, apart from that, there's been like, it was mostly strikers. | ||
| And I fought Cyrus Washington, maybe you know. | ||
| Oh yeah, sure, yeah. | ||
| Also, they figured him too. | ||
| Yeah? | ||
| Yeah, and we had a little bit of rivalry. | ||
| He's a very good fighter. | ||
| Very good fighter, but he was running around the entire freaking fight. | ||
| He's a shorter guy too, right? | ||
| He was 5'10", I believe. | ||
| Is he? | ||
| Yeah, 5'11", I'm not sure. | ||
| But he's a bit shorter than me, but yeah. | ||
| He's a guy that throws a lot of spinning techniques too. | ||
| Yeah, and I was aware of that, and I wanted to make sure that I keep my distance, but then I knew I had a better inside game than him. | ||
| So I wanted to go inside fast, yeah. | ||
| Yeah, so him and a couple, yeah, but the biggest name was the Burmese guys, you know, they're like 55 million people, for people at home, there's 55 million people in Myanmar, and their national sport is Lithuania. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| And it's like a religion there. | ||
| That is crazy. | ||
| It's crazy. | ||
| It's crazy that it's so popular there, and most people, unless you're a hardcore martial arts fan, you don't even know about it. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| There's a lot of UFC fans probably listening to this podcast just hearing about Latwe for the first time. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| And it's okay because I had, again, Jim hosted a seminar with me and he said he's a martial artist for 40 years and never heard about Latwe. | ||
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Wow. | |
| So it's okay. | ||
| We're in that transition now. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| But then in 20, 30 years, they're going to ask, hey, do you know about Latoya? | ||
| Yeah, I heard the podcast. | ||
| Well, it's also YouTube, I think. | ||
| A lot of the videos of your fights and some other fights on YouTube, people go, whoa! | ||
| They see the headbutts and the body slams and the suplexes and shit. | ||
| It just shows. | ||
| This is wild. | ||
| This is a wild sport. | ||
| It's pretty exciting. | ||
| How long are the rounds? | ||
| Are they normal length? | ||
| Three minutes? | ||
| Five rounds of three minutes, yeah. | ||
| Okay. | ||
| Yeah, exactly. | ||
| So it's very similar to Muay Thai. | ||
| Yes, but then the crazy part, which my fights I fought in the traditional literary rules, is that you have an injury timeout. | ||
| An injury timeout. | ||
| So meaning that let's say you knock me out, Joe, and then they pull me out in my corner, they slap my face, they bite my ear, they pull my head. | ||
| Bite your ear? | ||
| Whatever, they want to make me up. | ||
| Bite your ear? | ||
| That helps wake you up. | ||
| Really? | ||
| I don't know. | ||
| It hurts, no? | ||
| Have they done that? | ||
| Not to me. | ||
| I never use my camera. | ||
| But you've seen people do that? | ||
| Pull the hair, yeah. | ||
| You've seen them bite each other's ears? | ||
| Yeah, they just like... | ||
| They just chew on the ear a little bit? | ||
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Really? | |
| It hurts, no? | ||
| Well, I'm sure it hurts, but I mean, what about ice? | ||
| It seems like that would be a better way to wake you up. | ||
| They do everything. | ||
| Let's say you have two minutes to get revived. | ||
| Okay, so you get KO'd. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| And the fight's not over? | ||
| Two minutes to get revived. | ||
| Why isn't the fight over? | ||
| I don't know. | ||
| That's the traditional, back 2,000 years ago, they want to give another chance. | ||
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What? | |
| But the WLC, thankfully... | ||
| Oh my god, that is so crazy. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| WLC's eliminating that? | ||
| I'm good with that. | ||
| If you want guys to have a career out of Latwe, it's better for the brain. | ||
| Oh yeah, a lot better. | ||
| Because I've seen, I think I've only seen one time, actually it was Tuntunmin, with I think Cyrus, where actually, you get, the only guy, you know, you get knocked out, he went back to his corner, got revived, and won the fight. | ||
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What?! | |
| Did he win by decision? | ||
| No, there's no decisions. | ||
| Cyrus Washington's corner through in the towel. | ||
| Wow, that is so ridiculous. | ||
| That's really rare. | ||
| So most of the time, when you use your timeout, your outlet, you're gonna just get knocked out twice. | ||
| Yeah, I would imagine. | ||
| I mean, you just had a serious head. | ||
| Oh, is that it right there? | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| Show it to me in the beginning. | ||
| Show it to me in the beginning. | ||
| Nice elbow. | ||
| Boom, elbow here. | ||
| Oh my God. | ||
| He's out fucking cold. | ||
| Yeah, look, they drag him out and he actually finished and won the fight. | ||
| That is insane. | ||
| So they drag him. | ||
| That is fucking insane. | ||
| That is fucking insane that they... | ||
| Oh my god! | ||
| They're going to bite the ear soon. | ||
| No, they're not going to bite his ears. | ||
| Don't tell me they're going to bite his fucking ears. | ||
| Look, they drag him. | ||
| He's out cold. | ||
| And this is one of the strongest... | ||
| This is Tutu Min? | ||
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Yep. | |
| So they sit him down. | ||
| He's literally unconscious. | ||
| And he wakes up now, boom. | ||
| And he's starting to wake up with water on his head. | ||
| That's hard, though. | ||
| That's freaking hard. | ||
| You can't think about that. | ||
| What, Jamie? | ||
| They just bit his ear? | ||
| Rewind. | ||
| Who's biting his ear? | ||
| They're pouring water on him. | ||
| He's going to do it right there, huh? | ||
| Anyway, just like, yeah, that's the... | ||
| Oh, he tried to bite his ear! | ||
| He really did! | ||
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Oh, Jesus Christ! | |
| So they're just pouring water on him, and they give him a chance to wake up. | ||
| Hey, wake up, bro. | ||
| That is so crazy. | ||
| What kind of... | ||
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Oh, my God, it's biting his ears! | |
| He's kissing him, too. | ||
| He's making out with him. | ||
| He's like, bro, I'm going to fuck you if you don't wake up. | ||
| And the crowd goes crazy because they want him to keep going. | ||
| Yeah, it's really about grit and about heart. | ||
| And he goes back. | ||
| After 30 seconds, he ends up winning. | ||
| Are they gambling here as well? | ||
| I'm not aware of it. | ||
| Really? | ||
| I think a little bit. | ||
| But it's not only Thailand. | ||
| I know there's no alcohol. | ||
| It's really about Lithuania. | ||
| But it's not like Thailand. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| Okay, so here's Cyrus Washington. | ||
| They put his mouthpiece in, and he's aware of the rules, right? | ||
| So he knows he knocked him out. | ||
| Yeah, but then it's a long time after that. | ||
| How much time? | ||
| It's a long time. | ||
| Like how long? | ||
| At the end of the fifth round. | ||
| But how much time do they give him? | ||
| A break? | ||
| It's a minute or two, a break in between rounds. | ||
| No, but I mean while he got knocked out to revive him. | ||
| It was a two minute break. | ||
| Just two minutes? | ||
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Yeah. | |
| Oh, look at this. | ||
| He's already back to it, you know? | ||
| That is crazy. | ||
| It was knockout cold. | ||
| That's crazy. | ||
| Boy, this is so bad for your brain. | ||
| So I fought both of them. | ||
| I fought Cyrus and I fought Tuntumin three times. | ||
| So basically, oh look, yeah, this is the end. | ||
| So Cyrus just quit? | ||
| Yeah, Tao was there like it's over. | ||
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Wow. | |
| It's over. | ||
| So Tuntumin won the fight. | ||
| Wow. | ||
| Wow, that's crazy. | ||
| Welcome to the world of Letoi. | ||
| But that's so insane that they revive him. | ||
| I mean, that motherfucker was out cold. | ||
| So to the men now, like that, I have a big rivalry with him. | ||
| We had a trilogy fight together, and he's... | ||
| One of the strongest guys I've ever saw in my life. | ||
| He's almost immune to... | ||
| I don't know. | ||
| He's tough. | ||
| But think about it. | ||
| I was watching... | ||
| When I got into Latoya, my coach showed me fights. | ||
| I saw his fights, right? | ||
| And I was like, it seems so far away to go actually there. | ||
| I was a little kid from Montreal, you know, from Gatineau actually. | ||
| And then... | ||
| Fast forward a couple years later, I'm fighting him for the most anticipated rematch in Latwe history. | ||
| It was everywhere in the country, live on national TV. It was like 30 million people watching it, almost the whole country. | ||
| It was insane. | ||
| 30 million people? | ||
| It's crazy. | ||
| People in the huts have a satellite, and the people gather in the villages. | ||
| They don't have electricity, but they don't have running bathrooms, but they have a TV with a satellite. | ||
| And then we fight in December last year. | ||
| And actually, you showed my headbutt last time. | ||
| That was for him. | ||
| Oh, yeah? | ||
| You know the headbutt knockdown that you showed? | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| And he said, like, this dude do it a lot. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| Because people were saying, oh, headbutt doesn't work. | ||
| He's like, no, no. | ||
| Yeah, that was during Fight Companion. | ||
| Yeah, I was telling them, no, no, no, you got to see Dave. | ||
| You're good, man. | ||
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That was good. | |
| I appreciated that. | ||
| So yeah, that was my first headbutt knockdown like this. | ||
| I use the head to create distance. | ||
| So let's say we're in the clinch, right? | ||
| I would put my forehead, the hard part of my skull, on the jaw, on the mastoid muscle here, and I would just use it to push. | ||
| And then I couldn't bring it back. | ||
| So create space and then headbutt. | ||
| Now, the way you work the pads with headbutts, is that something that you invented? | ||
| I was never told, so I just started. | ||
| I wanted to get better, so I started doing it. | ||
| I pretty much invented it. | ||
| Wow. | ||
| I mean, I cannot put invented, but I started doing it. | ||
| Well, you started actually doing pad work for headbutts, though. | ||
| Yeah, in a more refined way, because they do that in Myanmar, a little bit of headbutts on the pad, but I want it in a more refined way, and following up with the... | ||
| Oh, look at this. | ||
| You do it with a cord. | ||
| Oh, that's so ridiculous. | ||
| What is Neckflex? | ||
| Is that something like the Iron Neck, like the same sort of a deal? | ||
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Yeah. | |
| To be honest, I don't know if you're... | ||
| That's for you. | ||
| Okay. | ||
| Look at that. | ||
| So it's a chain for weights and then a cord. | ||
| So this is my lifesaver, man, for my neck, to be honest. | ||
| I used to have those, you know, the blighty thing in Thailand? | ||
| Right. | ||
| With the freaking concrete thing. | ||
| Yeah, explain what that is. | ||
| So basically for people at home, it's like a cord. | ||
| I was always the last guy after the gym to go train my neck because I feel like it helps for headbutt prevention and concussions and everything, right? | ||
| Definitely helps concussion prevention. | ||
| And I feel like if you would punch me in on the front, what absorbs the impact would be my sternocleidomastoid muscle. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| So then I started doing this, but when you bite a weight and you pull it up, it works the back of the neck. | ||
| But then I was doing neck raises. | ||
| I was on my back, and I was doing neck raises for the front of the neck. | ||
| But then I was getting a bit stronger, so I was putting kettlebell on my forehead to get stronger. | ||
| But then I can't carry this biteable neck on my trips, on my tours. | ||
| So then this guy reaches up, he's like, well, you can bring that in your luggage, and then you can put a 45 pound on it if you want. | ||
| That's pretty practical, right? | ||
| So then I started just doing my neck like this, and I like it. | ||
| It's practical. | ||
| When I'm on tour right now, I can just do my neck in any gym with a weight. | ||
| Have you ever used an iron neck? | ||
| No, no, no. | ||
| I have one out here. | ||
| I want you to try it. | ||
| Because I think it's the best for training your neck. | ||
| Because it allows you to rotate. | ||
| So you put it on. | ||
| It's like a halo. | ||
| And it has a 50 pound bungee cord. | ||
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You like it? | |
| I love it. | ||
| Grapplers love it. | ||
| Like John Jack Machado swears by it. | ||
| But can you do like heavy weights? | ||
| Because this I can do like a 45 pound. | ||
| No, you don't. | ||
| You don't do weights? | ||
| No. | ||
| So the idea is that... | ||
| You don't think it would be good to do weights? | ||
| I don't know. | ||
| See, it's very controversial. | ||
| Some people think that when you're doing like the traditional... | ||
| I have one of those head things, a leather thing with a chain like that. | ||
| You put a plate on it and you do these. | ||
| I've done these. | ||
| But some people think that that motion with weights puts unnecessary pressure on your discs. | ||
| Okay. | ||
| So the idea with the iron neck is there's never any pressure on your disc because your neck is straight. | ||
| So you get a halo. | ||
| The halo sits on top of your head. | ||
| It forms. | ||
| I saw that picture, yeah. | ||
| You pump it up so it gets tight to your head. | ||
| But I feel like all those twisting can be a bit not detrimental for the disc. | ||
| You twist a lot. | ||
| Just got to try it. | ||
| We'll try it afterwards. | ||
| I'll show it to you. | ||
| I mean, I'm not a physiologist, but I've talked to people that I really respect and they don't like the weight thing. | ||
| Okay. | ||
| Well, I guess, because I use the weight and I feel like, like, actually, maybe you saw a video I did with Bass the other day in LA with Bass. | ||
| No, I didn't see it. | ||
| Yeah, put it up. | ||
| When was this? | ||
| It was eagle throat in the neck. | ||
| Oh, eagle throat in the neck is legit. | ||
| I tell people that. | ||
| Like, if someone's fucking with you, like, just grab their neck, slam them in the neck like that. | ||
| But this, I feel like, as I'm doing more neck, my muscle overlaps my trachea, right? | ||
| Oh, yeah, all this? | ||
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Yeah. | |
| This stuff right here? | ||
| Yeah, man. | ||
| Get in there, girl. | ||
| Get that shit, bro. | ||
| Damn man, you got a lot of muscle in there. | ||
| So you're doing a lot of this stuff? | ||
| A lot of neck raises. | ||
| Are you doing it every day? | ||
| Every two days. | ||
| Do you do neck bridges as well? | ||
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Yes. | |
| You do those as well? | ||
| Yeah, neck raises back and front. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| Pendulum and everything. | ||
| But I'm not doing like side. | ||
| I'm just doing frontal because I don't want to risk it. | ||
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Yeah. | |
| Tyson was doing a lot of... | ||
| He fucked his neck up too. | ||
| Tyson had to get surgery on his neck. | ||
| It's risky to neck raise. | ||
| If you don't do well, you can hurt your back. | ||
| Yeah, neck bridges are... | ||
| A lot of wrestlers want to fucking their neck up on that. | ||
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Yeah. | |
| I mean, you put a lot of weight. | ||
| You see that arc when you're rolling back and forth. | ||
| The thing is, it's tremendous pressure on the discs. | ||
| It's an unnatural pressure. | ||
| This is the whole concept behind the Iron Neck. | ||
| You don't put that kind of pressure because you never have a flexation of the neck while you're strengthening it. | ||
| But definitely, for example, let's say you're by the neck where I put the neck flex on my head. | ||
| When I do this, I feel like all my traps are working. | ||
| So I feel it's like any muscle, like bicep. | ||
| Build up muscle and frontal will be neck raises. | ||
| Are you doing trap work as well? | ||
| Do you do shrugs and things like that? | ||
| I'm not the biggest guy, but I feel like a strong neck, a strong back, everything is crucial. | ||
| And again, for people at home, when you do a head butt, why I say train your fucking neck, right? | ||
| It's not because I want to do a whip with my head. | ||
| That's actually when it's detrimental for your spine. | ||
| When I do a headbutt, if you look at all my videos and headbutts, it's like my spine is rock solid, and you use your legs. | ||
| So your head is stable, your neck is stable, but it's strong, but then you push with your legs to create a good headbutt. | ||
| Yeah, you're developing real power with that headbutt. | ||
| It's not just like a thump, like a thoughtless sort of a thump. | ||
| No, you want it to feel. | ||
| You're doing it like a technique. | ||
| Yeah, and then you would actually, people would say, oh... | ||
| And we can talk about this, but if you do headbutts, it's going to be brain damage. | ||
| Well, first of all, any martial art, any contact sport, there's a risk. | ||
| We're not playing soccer here, right? | ||
| And even if you are, soccer players get brain damage from heading the ball. | ||
| Yeah, for sure. | ||
| So, I mean, let's do what we have. | ||
| Life is short. | ||
| We don't know what's going to happen after. | ||
| So, let's do what we love. | ||
| I love doing headbutts. | ||
| So, you know... | ||
| So basically, I feel like if you hit with a hard part of your skull, like the horseshoe, I feel like you're inflicting maximum damage to your opponent, but not to myself. | ||
| There's a great video of a girl, like a girl who's this fucking guy is in her face talking shit outside of a bar, and she grabs his collars. | ||
| She grabs his collars and fucking slams her head into him and he goes out. | ||
| It's the best. | ||
| It's hilarious. | ||
| This guy's way bigger than her. | ||
| He's just being a dick. | ||
| And she's like, oh yeah? | ||
| Okay. | ||
| BANG! If I have a daughter one day, I want to teach her headbutt and kick in the ground. | ||
| Here it is. | ||
| Watch it. | ||
| This is a fucking hilarious video. | ||
| So this guy is like... | ||
| Oh, you see there? | ||
| They're in the middle of this thing. | ||
| When does it actually happen? | ||
| The guy is pushing her and backing her up. | ||
| Boom! | ||
| Look at that. | ||
| Out cold, bitch. | ||
| She's like, fuck you. | ||
| He's pushing her. | ||
| Yeah, she's tiny. | ||
| Way smaller than him. | ||
| I don't know what was being said, but he was pushing her and pushing her back. | ||
| She's like, you're out, bitch. | ||
| Boom! | ||
| That girl probably wakes up in the middle of the night when she has to pee and thinks about that. | ||
| It's like, yeah, I got that motherfucker. | ||
| I got him. | ||
| Boom! | ||
| He said she used her legs to do it. | ||
| Oh, fuck yeah, dude. | ||
| That girl, she did it well. | ||
| Somebody taught her, or she just has good instincts. | ||
| WLC get her a Lithuanian contract. | ||
| Do they have women that fight Latoya? | ||
| Yes, sir. | ||
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Really? | |
| Maybe you've heard about it. | ||
| She was on the Ultimate Fighter show with Hulia. | ||
| She's a Lithuanian. | ||
| And she went pretty far, I think. | ||
| But from Lithuania, she won in Japan. | ||
| Latoya is getting pretty big in Japan. | ||
|
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Really? | |
| Interesting. | ||
| There's a Latoya in Japan. | ||
| I fought there three times in Tokyo. | ||
| No kidding. | ||
| Latoya is, yeah. | ||
| Well, I know that the awareness of it is growing. | ||
| Like, what is the internet? | ||
| Is that what's making people more aware of it? | ||
| Some people say the internet. | ||
| Some people say it's Dave. | ||
| I don't know. | ||
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Maybe you. | |
| Well, it's you too, I'm sure. | ||
| You know, that there's like a face that speaks English that, you know, is the head guy. | ||
| You couldn't have like Tung Tung speak in English, right? | ||
|
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Right, right. | |
| It's hard to get excited about it. | ||
| Sometimes that's all it takes is like someone who crosses over becomes the best at it from another country and then you can speak English clearly. | ||
| Not bad. | ||
| No accent. | ||
| Well, you obviously have an accent, but it's clear. | ||
| You know, I actually learned English while watching Fear Factor. | ||
| No, you didn't. | ||
| I was watching it in Quebec. | ||
| Maybe, but that's not how you learned English. | ||
| That's why I swear so much. | ||
| I'm joking. | ||
| I never swore on Fear Factor. | ||
| That doesn't even make any sense. | ||
| How many fights have you had over there? | ||
| I'm over 10. It's like I choose right now. | ||
| My first couple years, I was doing like six fights, like four or five fights, and I was getting like super... | ||
| Not depressed, but it was very redundant. | ||
| It's like every two months, same technique, same pad session, same thing, same running, same heels. | ||
| And I was getting injured everywhere. | ||
| My elbows were hurt, my knuckles were swollen. | ||
| So I called my wife and I called her after training. | ||
| I was like, can we just take a break? | ||
| And now I negotiated a very good contract with the WLC and they take care of me. | ||
| So I'm able to take one or two fights a year. | ||
| Oh, that's great. | ||
| So, how many fights have you had total? | ||
| I would say, I would have to check, I think Wikipedia has it, like maybe 12 or 11, something like that. | ||
| But then, yeah. | ||
| So, this year I only fight once. | ||
| And so, it's better, you think, to do it that way? | ||
| I'm still like, it's like a dog on a leash with a, I'm hungry to go fight. | ||
| And I actually have a, they fight like once every two months. | ||
| They fight a lot, right? | ||
| The Burmese. | ||
| And I feel, one guy actually fights four times this month. | ||
| Like a young, one Burmese fighter, he fights four times. | ||
| I'm like, wow! | ||
| But I feel like I have a, unwillingly, I'm happy with it, but like an ambassador, right? | ||
| So I have to, not only for the sport, for the country too. | ||
| Right. | ||
| So I have to do a lot of other work. | ||
| So right now I'm working on my online academy. | ||
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Oh, that's cool. | |
| So people can learn Lithuania via videos. | ||
| I need to film like a lot of videos. | ||
| And you are really famous in Myanmar, right? | ||
| Like someone told me that your wedding... | ||
| 30 million people watched your wedding on television there? | ||
| More than that, I think, but yeah. | ||
| That's fucking insane. | ||
| So the story, that's like, look, so now we go back to the story. | ||
| When I went over after a prison fight, I went to Myanmar, then after... | ||
| We didn't even talk about the prison fight. | ||
| We kind of skipped over it. | ||
| I mean, I won. | ||
| I think the more important is the lightweight part. | ||
| I talked about it because that was my connection to the promoter. | ||
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Oh, okay. | |
| Then the promoter gets me to Latwe, and then I beat up Tutu, and then I get right away challenged by Tutu Min, the openweight. | ||
| So the best in the country. | ||
| When you openweight champion, you're the best in the world in Latwe, right? | ||
| The biggest and the strongest. | ||
| So he's a third, fourth, five generation Latwe. | ||
| His grandfather was a Latwe fighter, and they were all golden belts winners. | ||
| Right? | ||
| So he's born in the... | ||
| Like, if you look where he lives, it's raw, man. | ||
| It's lahat. | ||
| It's in the jungle. | ||
| And he's raised in the headbuck culture. | ||
| Like, you know, he's an animal. | ||
| He's a headhunter. | ||
| He just goes for the head and he has a good right hand. | ||
| So I'm like... | ||
| And I knew right away after that fight with Tutu, he was fighting that night too. | ||
| So I go shake his hand. | ||
| He doesn't know yes and no in English. | ||
| That's how bad he is. | ||
| And I say, good fight. | ||
| And he's like, you just give me a head nod. | ||
| And I knew that we were going to meet. | ||
| So we meet. | ||
| And then, where was I going with this? | ||
| Basically, what was your question, Joe? | ||
| No, just keep going so you meet him. | ||
| With the first fight, I think it's important to talk about this because I was only in my second lightweight fight ever, right? | ||
| And I'm fighting the best. | ||
| Two legends in a row. | ||
| Yeah, exactly. | ||
| So I'm like, they want to get me, like, oh, Tutu didn't get him, so let's get Tutu Min to fuck him up, right? | ||
| So I go back, I was at Tiger at the time, and that was, we'll go back to this later, but they were laughing at me because I was doing headbutts on the bags, and they were, it was all a big show every time I was doing headbutts, right? | ||
| Like, oh, look at Dave doing this, and I had to teach this guy with 300 My coach at the time, my pad holder at the time, I had to teach him how to hold pads for headbutts. | ||
| And that's the way I developed the way to do jab, cross, hook, headbutt, elbow, stuff like that. | ||
| So then they're laughing, okay, cool, I don't care, I'm winning fights. | ||
| I go there, and first fight, that's the hard part, man. | ||
| The first round, the first couple of rounds, the three rounds, I push kick his stomach and he grabs it and he sweeps my other leg many times. | ||
| So I actually sectioned the back of my leg. | ||
| I had to do physio, like my nerves, I think in the back of my right leg was sectioned. | ||
| Maybe not sectioned, but like severely damaged. | ||
| So yeah, section would be pretty bad. | ||
| What do you mean by sectioned? | ||
| Does that mean like tear? | ||
| Yeah, it was like damage. | ||
| Is that from kicking the back of your leg? | ||
| I think it's because he did it many times in the same spot on the back of my knee, which there's a lot of nerves. | ||
| So he's catching your teep kick and then kicking your other leg? | ||
| Yes. | ||
| Okay. | ||
| So then many times and I don't... | ||
| So it's tearing. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| And I don't really, I'm like, what the fuck? | ||
| Because I want to go inside, I want to do my elbows and I can't because I, and so then adaptation I think is key in life as well, right? | ||
| You need to adapt. | ||
| And so again, this guy is 70 fights, you know, I think he had like all my chaos, he's just smashing everyone. | ||
| And then I started adapting. | ||
| I went to the leg instead. | ||
| Push kick to the leg instead of the tummy. | ||
| And you couldn't catch it anymore. | ||
| And then it was making buckle up. | ||
| So that was a big thing in my... | ||
| So you're hitting him above the thigh, hyperextending the knee... | ||
| And he can't get in. | ||
| So he's a bull. | ||
| They call him the bull. | ||
| So he goes inside. | ||
| He can't go inside if I'm pushing his leg too much, right? | ||
| So he's having a hard time and he's gassing out a little bit because he usually knocks him out in the first round. | ||
| He goes far, right? | ||
| So then I'm like, I knocked him out a couple of times, knocked him down a couple of times at the end of the fight. | ||
| So it was a real draw, right? | ||
| It was a real draw. | ||
| So we ended up the first fight as a draw, but then right away, automatic rematch, we fight you again. | ||
| How long? | ||
| Two months. | ||
| Two months. | ||
| Your leg is fucked up. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| But then it was an added sweetener. | ||
| Again, I'm very emotional today. | ||
| I have goosebumps. | ||
| Because it changed my life, Joe. | ||
| Basically, if you win this fight, it's going to be December 2016. If you win this fight, we're going to pay for your wedding. | ||
| And it's for the golden belt. | ||
| So the other one was only a challenge fight, but this was actually for the title fight. | ||
| So I got two draws, and now it's like title fight. | ||
| So I'm like, let's go. | ||
| I train, and I train hard. | ||
| And yeah, we meet up again. | ||
| And now I... Because I proposed to Irina after the other fight in Bagan. | ||
| By the way, if you have a chance to go there, beautiful. | ||
| 10,000 temples. | ||
| UNESCO protected temples. | ||
| And you go there at 5 a.m., 4 a.m. | ||
| And you see the sunrise on those temples. | ||
| And there's a hot air balloon. | ||
| It's beautiful. | ||
| So I proposed to Irina in Russian. | ||
| I learned my script in Russian, and she says yes. | ||
| I don't know how it tricked her to love me. | ||
| So we go there, but then it makes the news in Myanmar, right? | ||
| So they've got engaged in Baghdad. | ||
| So then the promoter calls me, so, hey, you got that fight in December? | ||
| If you win, you want to get married in Myanmar? | ||
| I said, yeah. | ||
| So it's going to be a Myanmar traditional wedding. | ||
| So full gold with, like, I'll show you pictures. | ||
| It's pretty cool. | ||
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Wow. | |
| I said, but it's going to be like, we're going to make an event out of this. | ||
| So obviously he's not stupid. | ||
| The guy pays 20 grand, but he's going to make an, he's going to, he's going to put it on television. | ||
| Yeah, a bit like what they did with, you know, they, they help, they help Connor or whatever. | ||
| Like they want to build a fire, you know? | ||
| Sure, sure. | ||
| So it's live on TV, and it's a BBC freaking everything. | ||
| So I had a lot of pressure. | ||
| I had to win. | ||
| I don't want my wife to... | ||
| Because the wedding was going to happen regardless, right? | ||
| But this could be a better wedding, right? | ||
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Yeah, I don't want to... | |
| Look at you guys. | ||
| That's not the most glamorous one. | ||
| Maybe there's another one. | ||
| It's pretty cool, man. | ||
| This one, yeah. | ||
| Wow. | ||
| Yeah, pretty cool. | ||
| So you have Irina Terehova and Dave Lezuk in Burmese language. | ||
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Wow. | |
| That was pictures from BBC. Wow. | ||
| Look at my hat. | ||
| Maybe, Jamie, you can go on the left. | ||
| Maybe you can see the hat. | ||
| This one, yeah. | ||
| Look, I have a hat. | ||
| It's pretty cool. | ||
| What is that hat called? | ||
| I don't know the name, but when you see my skirt, it's called a longi. | ||
| Longi. | ||
| Everybody in Myanmar has that. | ||
| It's also in India. | ||
| In India, they call that a longi. | ||
| In Myanmar, they call it a longi. | ||
| Most comfortable thing in the world. | ||
| You wear that. | ||
| Is it like a kilt? | ||
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Yeah. | |
| I have one for you. | ||
| You have one for me. | ||
| It's directly from Myanmar. | ||
| It fits in that little tiny bag? | ||
| Yeah, yeah. | ||
| So you're going to... | ||
| Look, it's like a long thing. | ||
| This is directly from Burma. | ||
| Oh. | ||
| And basically, yeah, it's... | ||
| So it's like a kilt. | ||
| It's like a kilt. | ||
| No, a kilt would be knee up. | ||
| Right. | ||
| And this is lower? | ||
| This one is all the way down. | ||
| Oh, all the way down the ground. | ||
| And I have a story for that. | ||
| Okay. | ||
| So this actually, like, I don't give you expensive gifts. | ||
| The dudes wear underwear? | ||
| That's a dollar, by the way. | ||
| A dollar. | ||
| Nice. | ||
| Sweet. | ||
| Now, do these guys wear underwear under this or are they free balling? | ||
| The commando. | ||
| No, you wear underwear. | ||
| Okay. | ||
| But then the story with this, and we'll go back to the fight, guys. | ||
| It's just that people wear that, very comfortable, but then when the war happens, you put it up, and it looks almost like a diaper, right? | ||
| And you can kick, because this you can't kick with this. | ||
| Oh, I see. | ||
| And you put it up, and then it shows off your leg tats, because they have a big tradition of leg tattoos. | ||
| Oh, okay. | ||
| That's where you get all your tattoos in your legs? | ||
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Yeah. | |
| Does it come from being over there? | ||
| Yeah, okay. | ||
| Yeah, so I waited before having them because I wanted to make sure I deserved them. | ||
| Ah, interesting. | ||
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Okay, cool. | |
| And basically, so I like that because when you don't know who's a fighter unless you see it at your face, but then let's say the war was happening, boom, everybody gets their lungy up and they're ready for battle and you see, oh, he's a fighter, oh, he's a fighter, oh, he's a fighter, right? | ||
| Because the legs are tied up. | ||
| Got it. | ||
| Back in the days, everybody had, every fighter that was fighting it had the toquin, it's called. | ||
| Okay, so back to the fight. | ||
| Yes, so because we're doing a big one-on-one about Myanmar right now. | ||
| It's so many things to talk about. | ||
| So the fight, and then I started, I actually had a Canadian TV following me for that fight, and he usually told me that when we follow somebody, the guy never wins. | ||
| but i was like pretty happy so i ended up uh i get him like a takedown i'm bloody i get him with an elbow in the face his head is like open up a pretty big gap in the head he's bleeding and then i get a takedown but i'm using a lot of my teeth this time and uh like he boxed him up and i think i i the leg is their legs are not going too well and then i do a takedown and he like he falls on his leg and then he has to use his timeout so yeah they bring him back and he's he looks in pain and i tell my coroner And I'm a bit like, | ||
| I'm bleeding because he got me to cut too. | ||
| That's also pretty rare. | ||
| And then I'm here. | ||
| I said, which leg is it? | ||
| Which leg is it? | ||
| And my corner at the time is like, it's the right leg. | ||
| So I'm like, okay. | ||
| And then the two minutes ends up. | ||
| He goes back. | ||
| He looks limping a little bit. | ||
| So I'm like, I'm attacking the right leg. | ||
| So I try to hit it. | ||
| And then I do another takedown. | ||
| And he's bleeding more. | ||
| Then not long after that, it was over. | ||
| He wasn't able to get up. | ||
| And actually when he fell down, it was a beautiful, it was a pretty intense moment. | ||
| He fells down and right in front of the Canadian TV crew and the blood leaks on the floor and it's pretty intense. | ||
| Pretty cool. | ||
| I'm excited about this because there's not a lot of good quality videos about Letoe. | ||
| Right, right. | ||
| Is that available online? | ||
| Can Jamie pull that up? | ||
| I mean, if you go to my YouTube or something, you could probably see the thing while we're talking. | ||
| So this makes you the golden belt champion. | ||
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Exactly. | |
| This is a giant moment for you. | ||
| And this also spreads the word about Latwe in Canada. | ||
| Well, not automatically, right? | ||
| Because it happens in Myanmar. | ||
| Right. | ||
| But then in Myanmar, it's just becoming like crazy people. | ||
| And we get married live on TV two days after the fight. | ||
| So it's like literally there. | ||
| Now, they don't resent you for beating up their champion now? | ||
| Well, okay, a little bit, because he's representing the entire Muslim community in Myanmar, and I'm basically without even, because I don't adhere to anything, but like basically I'm representing all like the 95 percenters, which is like Christian, Buddhist, and like everybody else basically. | ||
| So yeah, they were so happy. | ||
| They were pretty excited because I think they knew that what was going to happen, they were going to promote their culture abroad. | ||
| So they're just happy people are promoting the sport. | ||
| Is it hard to find, Jamie? | ||
| Maybe Google new champion, I don't know. | ||
| So that was a big moment. | ||
| Now when you look at the level of fighters from Latwe versus Muay Thai, obviously there's more Muay Thai fighters. | ||
| There's more fighters, yeah. | ||
| What is the level like? | ||
| Well, obviously the guys are fucking, like everybody was, like Russians prior to coming, they were coming and fighting. | ||
| Tutun was stopping them all the time. | ||
| If you look at all the fights, they're smashing everyone bare knuckle because people are not used to... | ||
| Is this it right here? | ||
| That's not one, but... | ||
| Which one is this? | ||
| That's another fight I fought a Thai guy. | ||
| What happened, Jamie? | ||
| I think I was fine. | ||
| There's another one that's more important. | ||
| But, yeah, the guys are like... | ||
| What I was going to get out of you, seeing the level rise with all these new fighters getting into the game? | ||
| Well, as, like, for example, that was like, you know, the Lumpini champion came to Myanmar and all, like, Sayok. | ||
| I don't know if you know Muay Thai. | ||
| Like, Sayok, you know this guy? | ||
| I've heard the name. | ||
| Yeah, so he's like a Thai champion. | ||
| Lumpini champion? | ||
| I think he's Former champion One of the stadium Yeah so he He went to Myanmar Many times to fight And he He drawed with Tuntun Min And all these So he's considered One of the best Muay Thai fighter ever Right What is the difference Like when Thai fighters come over there What gets in their way? | ||
| They're very technical. | ||
| And that brings me up to something else, but basically they're very technical and they do very well for the first couple rounds, but then when the pain threshold starts to kick in, when they start to clinch and then they get a headbutt, they're like, whoa, what's happening here, right? | ||
| And that's good that you asked me this. | ||
| If you look at Myanmar and then Thailand, two neighboring countries, they were fighting for thousands of years old. | ||
| And if you look at back in the days, the Tongtu Empire, I think, I don't know the exact date, but at that time, the Burmese Empire was like all of Southeast Asia, the biggest empire in Southeast Asia. | ||
| So they were owning all of Thailand almost, like Chiang Mai, all these things, like, you know, I'm not sure, Vietnam and Laos, all these things. | ||
| So it was very, very powerful. | ||
| So that's why they say that Leto is the ancestor of all the Mu'i. | ||
| Mu'i Lao, Mu'i Kao, Mu'i Thai. | ||
| Because it makes sense. | ||
| While they were owning all these colonies, they were dropping their seeds of their martial arts. | ||
| So then as they retreat, eventually they pushed them away and it became Burma as we go. | ||
| And now they're starting a thing called Mu'i Boran. | ||
| Yes. | ||
| In Thailand. | ||
| But then it's very suspicious, like, how come you have that sport now with no gloves and headbutts? | ||
| Mubaran is that. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| But you were colonized for a long time by Lithuania, by Myanmar. | ||
| So it's basically their version of it. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| And they added big ropes instead of doing bare knuckle. | ||
| Latoya was only a bit of gauze. | ||
| They added big ropes. | ||
| But at one point, the king of Thailand did a great thing to attract tourism, which removed the headbutt, and added a scoring system, and added gloves, eight-ounce glove. | ||
| And it becomes beautiful in Muay Thai, as we know, very technical, very nice. | ||
| But then what happened is that, let's say your Muay Thai guy says, hey, you have big eight-ounce glove, and by the way, if you punch, you don't score a lot of points. | ||
| It's elbows and knees and kicks that score points. | ||
| So what's going to happen over hundreds of years? | ||
| The guys are going to practice their kicks. | ||
| I think the Thai guys are the strongest kickers in the world, I believe. | ||
| So then if you go across and me, I'm like, hey, by the way, guys, no gloves, no scoring system. | ||
| And if you, it's KO only to win. | ||
| They swing for the freaking fence, right? | ||
| So that's the two different types of, so you have way less kicks in Latwe because you viralize, you prefer like, you know, no gloves because you can draw blood right away with a punch. | ||
| Makes sense? | ||
| So yeah, it's just a history course. | ||
| Have you thought about fighting more Muay Thai or maybe even fighting MMA? Yeah, but not Muay Thai though. | ||
| Not Muay Thai? | ||
| I don't want to do it again. | ||
| How come? | ||
| Well, I represent Latouille. | ||
| Yeah, so you enjoy it more? | ||
| Yeah, it's freeing. | ||
| You can do headbutts, there's no glove. | ||
| I don't want to put on gloves. | ||
| I would consider it maybe MMA. I have offers, but one championship and Bella Tour. | ||
| I was actually with Kang the other day in San Jose. | ||
| Kang Lee, for those who don't know, he's a legend of martial arts, Sanda, a specialist, and he actually calls Scott Cooker in front of me. | ||
| He's like, get him a fight. | ||
| I said, well, give me a couple years. | ||
| I have a lot of things to do to be happy with my little career, more things to do, but it's a possibility. | ||
| How old are you now? | ||
| 27. 27. So you're still young. | ||
| I mean, you could make that transition into MMA if you wanted to. | ||
| We can go to this, actually. | ||
| I actually fight MMA. Two times. | ||
| I was stupid when I was younger. | ||
| So in that transition before going to prison fight, after prison fight, but in that transition, I had a year or two before raising enough money to go back. | ||
| And like I said, my first love was grappling. | ||
| So I did some fight nights, amateur MMA. I won my first MMA fight by guillotine. | ||
| And then I went there again, another guillotine. | ||
| So they gave me like the octopus. | ||
| I'm a choking guy. | ||
| And then the third fight was against GSP's prodigy, like a Japanese guy. | ||
| So I went by decision. | ||
| So I was undefeated in MMA, an amateur. | ||
| But then I go back from Thailand. | ||
| I'm super excited. | ||
| I'm doing my striking. | ||
| And I did some stupid decision. | ||
| Nobody wanted to fight. | ||
| Murni is a good fighter. | ||
| He's a good fighter. | ||
| He's in UFC now. | ||
| What's his name? | ||
| Jonathan Meunier. | ||
| He fought Colby not long ago. | ||
| So nobody wanted to fight him, and he was like, it's going to be a striking fight. | ||
| People were saying he was a great striker, so I said, let's go. | ||
| I'm the best striker, so let's do something. | ||
| So nobody was accepting the fight. | ||
| So I accepted the fight, but I think it was a bit early for my pro debut. | ||
| He was already on the radar for UFC, right? | ||
| So I took the fight at 170, but I was 170. So he was a big boy. | ||
| I think he dropped down to like from 190. But then on the feet, I'm like, I'm winning, I'm doing some good spinning punches and everything. | ||
| But then Firas is in his corner and he's like, down, bring him down. | ||
| So I'm just stupid. | ||
| I went on the floor and for me, I treated it as a BJJ competition. | ||
| When I'm on the floor, I'm on the floor. | ||
| I wasn't very developed yet. | ||
| I didn't have the ring experience yet. | ||
| Again, he was the better fighter that night for sure. | ||
| I almost had the armbar actually and I let it go. | ||
| The referee eventually stopped the fight because of elbows in the guard. | ||
| I was a bit disappointed for this. | ||
| And so it was just a bad, you know, early in my career. | ||
| Now I'm a completely different fighter. | ||
| I fought, you know, in front of thousands of people I have. | ||
| So again, he's a great fighter, but I know that it would be a different thing nowadays. | ||
| It's crazy that you became this Lethwe champion without really training Lethwe. | ||
| Like you didn't really go to a traditional Lethwe gym or learn it from them. | ||
| You basically had your own approach. | ||
| Everything together. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| Yeah, I think so. | ||
| I think it's, like I said, Patron Martial Arts in Canada. | ||
| We do a lot of like, you know, Sanda and a lot of Sancho. | ||
| And my coach, Sifu Pat, he did like two pro fights, but he's a great coach. | ||
| He's a very great coach. | ||
| And he just built me up for it. | ||
| Because in Jeet Kune Do, he's a Sifu, right? | ||
| So in Jeet Kune Do, there's a lot of, in the pocket, there's a lot of headbutts, actually. | ||
| Everything goes. | ||
| Sure, everything goes, yeah. | ||
| So yeah, I guess that's why I kind of did everything. | ||
| What do you want to do as far as your career? | ||
| Do you want to establish some sort of dominance in Latwe before you leave and go do something else? | ||
| Well, to be honest, the only reason why I would consider going back to MMA would be because I have ego, and I think all fighters have ego, and I want to fucking avenge my loss and stuff like that. | ||
| But honestly, I'm super happy with doing this. | ||
| My goal was to be champion. | ||
| Now I've done it, so I don't need 25 belts to be happy. | ||
| Right, but now, how long do you plan on doing this? | ||
| Basically, you're the beacon right now, and a lot of people are drawn to you because you've become really the most worldwide famous left-way fighter ever. | ||
| And because of that, you're going to get these guys that come, like the Seth Bozinski's and guys who Challenge you. | ||
| Is that what you would like to do? | ||
| I'd love that. | ||
| Just be that guy and have everybody come to you and challenge you? | ||
| Until I don't have that hungriness anymore. | ||
| It would be nice if there was a broadcast of this. | ||
| That's on UFC Fight Pass now. | ||
| Is it really? | ||
| My last fight with Seth was on UFC Fight Pass. | ||
| Yes, sir. | ||
| Dude, UFC Fight Pass has everything, huh? | ||
| I know. | ||
| That's amazing. | ||
| From Burma. | ||
| They transmitted from Burma. | ||
| Wow, that's incredible. | ||
| Who's doing the commentary? | ||
| Is that Robin Black? | ||
| It was Robin Black, yeah. | ||
| All right, my man Robin. | ||
| Shout out to him. | ||
| He was good. | ||
| It was epic with this one. | ||
| No, he's excellent. | ||
| He's excellent. | ||
| So actually, next one, hopefully you can make it, it would be in either Wyoming or Florida. | ||
| When is it going to be? | ||
| June, 100% in June. | ||
| 100%. | ||
| We don't know which state, though. | ||
| Okay, so it's plenty of time between now and then. | ||
| Do you know who you'd be fighting? | ||
| No, no. | ||
| No idea. | ||
| So, yeah, that's the thing. | ||
| So, if it's going to be, they're probably going to try to do it on pay-per-view or something, right? | ||
| Does it have anything to do with the bare-knuckle fighting guys? | ||
| Perhaps. | ||
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No. | |
| Do they have anything to do with it? | ||
| Different organization. | ||
| It's going to be on UFC Fight Pass, I believe, and then people can watch it live there. | ||
| It's going to be pretty exciting. | ||
| Like, it's the first historic debut of Latwe. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| 2,000 years old of sport in the U.S. I'm so excited. | ||
| That is very exciting. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| It's very, you know, it's like there's different styles of MMA, or rather of martial arts that enter into MMA and become effective. | ||
| Letwe, the only thing that's missing is the headbutts from MMA. You know, you have this one element of your game that you wouldn't really be able to implement. | ||
| You know what, I was joking the other day, before I received these serious offers from my memory promotion, I was like, if I go one day, I'm just going to headbutt the guy and get disqualified, and then it's going to go viral. | ||
| It's going to help. | ||
| That's before I... Well, I think 1FC would probably allow headbutts for a fight. | ||
| Oh, by the way, 1FC is actually partnering up with WLC. So they're very friend with the CEO. Yeah. | ||
| Yeah, that makes sense. | ||
| Well, it makes sense because they allow soccer kicks on the ground, even inside a cave. | ||
| But they actually had a Latwe, not exhibition fight, but a Latwe super fight inside of one of their shows in one championship. | ||
| Oh, really? | ||
| In Myanmar. | ||
| Oh, that makes sense. | ||
| So just to showcase the culture. | ||
| Sure, sure. | ||
| I feel like if someone like you fought over there, I mean, they have such open rules. | ||
| I mean, they have Muay Thai fights with MMA gloves. | ||
| They have regular kickboxing. | ||
| They have regular Muay Thai. | ||
| But they messaged me for that. | ||
| They wanted me to fight Muay Thai. | ||
| I don't want to fight Muay Thai. | ||
| I said, I want to fight Latoya. | ||
| He said, well, if you want to fight Latoya, go to WLC. And that's when we started getting along. | ||
| Well, they're doing grappling competitions in one FC as well. | ||
| They seem to be open to almost any martial art. | ||
| Yeah, for sure. | ||
| And also eSports now. | ||
| Like, that's the future. | ||
| What? | ||
| He's a good... | ||
| Chatri is a good fighter. | ||
| They're doing eSports? | ||
| Yeah, I saw that. | ||
| One eSports. | ||
| No. | ||
| He's ahead of the wave, yeah, because it's going to be the future. | ||
| Wow. | ||
| What games? | ||
| I don't know. | ||
| Fighting games, like Street Fighter. | ||
| Fighting games? | ||
| Oh, my God. | ||
| That'd be hilarious. | ||
| If it became huge, would they have UFC and 1FC? Yeah. | ||
| The UFC. No, but I mean if they had the UFC video game. | ||
| If they were playing the UFC video game as an esport in one FC, that would be hilarious. | ||
| It really would. | ||
| Oh my god, look at that. | ||
| That's esport? | ||
| Yes. | ||
| Oh shit, okay. | ||
| One championship launches Asia's biggest esport world championship. | ||
| Wow. | ||
| Chatree is just a visionary for this. | ||
| Look at the size of that fucking arena. | ||
| Nothing shocks me more than the massive popularity of esports in terms of as a spectator sport. | ||
| Not in terms of people playing it. | ||
| I get that. | ||
| Look at the total price, like $500,000 for esports. | ||
| No, no, no. | ||
| Go to the other side. | ||
| Go to the other side, Jamie. | ||
| Let me see that picture. | ||
| Look at that. | ||
| Oh my God. | ||
| Look at that. | ||
| That's a game. | ||
| Fucking crazy, man. | ||
| World of Warcraft. | ||
| I don't know. | ||
| Is that what it is? | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| Dota 2 is what it's called. | ||
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What is Dota? | |
| I don't know what it stands for. | ||
| It's a game I don't play. | ||
| We don't even know the game and they win half a million dollars for this. | ||
| They're like 14 years old, 15 years old, these guys. | ||
| Yeah, I mean, there's real money in video games now. | ||
| Before, parents would say, you're wasting your time. | ||
| Go play golf. | ||
| You can make money. | ||
| You can make money playing video games. | ||
| You play games? | ||
| I do, but I get addicted to it. | ||
| I have real problems. | ||
| Like a day nonstop? | ||
| Ah, you have fucking giant problems. | ||
| We set up a land room back there. | ||
| Why are you laughing? | ||
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It's true. | |
| Because he knows. | ||
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Yeah, I just want to see how much he gets going to tell you, but yeah. | |
| You get serious with it. | ||
| I have a real problem. | ||
| Are you an extremist? | ||
| Like, if you do something, you do it like... | ||
| Yeah, I've got real problems, man. | ||
| It's effective. | ||
| Like, look, if I want to get good at something, my brain, it's good. | ||
| Because my obsessiveness allows me to really concentrate on excellence. | ||
| But the problem is, like, there's no benefit for me getting really good at Quake Championship. | ||
| You know, that's the game we're playing, right? | ||
| Was it Quake... | ||
| Quake Champions. | ||
| That's what we're playing. | ||
| We got a land room set up back there and we play it. | ||
| Dude, I get sweaty hands. | ||
| Yeah, fuck Twitch. | ||
| We're out there playing. | ||
| We're just playing against each other. | ||
| Okay, for fun. | ||
| Yeah, man, but it's not fun. | ||
| The problem is, I mean, it is fun. | ||
| It's very fun. | ||
| It's a first-person shooter. | ||
| No, you have rocket launchers and railguns. | ||
| It's definitely fun. | ||
| Don't get me wrong. | ||
| But what's not fun is the amount of time that it takes and how crazy I get. | ||
| Where I'm, like, in the middle of the night, I'm thinking about playing it. | ||
| Like, it'll be 3 o'clock in the morning. | ||
| I've come down here. | ||
| Like, I had to do something. | ||
| I worked out. | ||
| I can't, like, I'll leave my house. | ||
| I'll come down here to work out. | ||
| I'll work out at the gym. | ||
| I'll say, fuck it, let me jump online. | ||
| Get out! | ||
| Next thing you know, I'm here for four hours just playing Quake. | ||
| I understand. | ||
| Jamie knows. | ||
| He's seen it. | ||
| He's laughing. | ||
| He's laughing at me. | ||
| Is it monsters or real people? | ||
| Well, it's robots and people with cyborgs and shit with crazy outfits on. | ||
| But the point is, it's a first-person shooter. | ||
| So you're in this 3D environment, and it's a mouse and a keyboard, and you're running down these hallways, and there's a lot of strategy involved, a lot of fast-twitch movements and aim. | ||
| But it's very, very addictive, and it's graphically very intense. | ||
| It's beautiful. | ||
| It's crazy how little boys we are. | ||
| It doesn't matter, right? | ||
| Yes. | ||
| What's up? | ||
| One of the companies that makes one of the really big esports games just announced that they're working on their first first-person shooter. | ||
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I think it's their first first-person shooter. | |
| They did announce a title that just sort of showed a couple of things they're working on. | ||
| Not that you're going to get back into it, but it could get you back into it. | ||
| We have it right there, man. | ||
| I can't do it. | ||
| I had a quick cold turkey. | ||
| How many months were we going at it every day? | ||
| Solid three, four. | ||
| Every day, man. | ||
| Hours and hours every day. | ||
| Jamie laughed. | ||
| He's like, you guys put in more time. | ||
| Me and Jeff, who works here, we're playing so much. | ||
| We put in more time. | ||
| I had the game on my computer at home for about a year, playing it just off and on, here and there. | ||
| Probably put in like 30 or 40 hours over time playing. | ||
| They passed me in like three weeks. | ||
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Joe, you have a problem. | |
| I'm telling you, I got a problem. | ||
| But I had a problem like that with everything, with Jiu Jitsu, with Taekwondo, with Muay Thai, everything that I get into, I get into too much. | ||
| It's a good trait, but as long as you can handle it. | ||
| You gotta know how to handle it. | ||
| Like for me, it's like, I gotta know when to cut things off. | ||
| Like stop, stop, stop, stop, stop. | ||
| So for me with the video games, it's like, no, cut it out. | ||
| Because it was just eating. | ||
| I don't have any time, man. | ||
| And I have kids. | ||
| I have a family. | ||
| And I have three jobs. | ||
| I just don't. | ||
| I don't have time for these fucking video games. | ||
| But I like them too much. | ||
| I know. | ||
| I feel you. | ||
| I like them. | ||
| Now I got my phone on the airplane. | ||
| Because we took literally 20 airplanes this last couple weeks. | ||
| Oh, you play games on your phone? | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| Castle Defense. | ||
| I just like... | ||
| I don't have any games on my phone. | ||
| Except my kids play games on my phone sometimes. | ||
| I don't have any fucking games on my phone. | ||
| What do you do on an airplane? | ||
| You just sleep? | ||
| I read. | ||
| Okay. | ||
| I read or I write. | ||
| I write comedy material and stuff. | ||
| I write things. | ||
| I watch a movie maybe, but I don't play any games. | ||
| I just don't trust myself. | ||
| Okay. | ||
| Just get too addicted, man. | ||
| Quick, yeah? | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| You should fucking play it with us sometime. | ||
| Oh my God. | ||
| If we had more time today- I'm going to get addicted too. | ||
| Yeah, man. | ||
| I'm telling you. | ||
| It's super addictive. | ||
| I think obsession is key for any success. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| And I think every successful people is eccentric a little bit. | ||
| Yes. | ||
| I'm fucking weird and you're weird too. | ||
| Of course. | ||
| Yeah, we're both crazy. | ||
| I think it's important. | ||
| I think you have to be crazy to dedicate massive amounts of time to something and be obsessed. | ||
| To acquire excellence in anything, I believe it requires a real, genuine obsession where that becomes the primary focus of your life. | ||
| But when you have a finite amount of time, like I do, because I already have a career, I have things that I must do, and I don't want to slack off and become a bad podcaster and become a bad comedian and fall apart in the other things that I'm focusing on because I'm focusing on a game. | ||
| I just can't. | ||
| It doesn't help me. | ||
| See, jujitsu helps me. | ||
| When I train, I feel more calm, I get better perspective. | ||
| I feel like there's something that I gain. | ||
| And also, you can only do it a certain amount of hours a day. | ||
| You can't do jujitsu six hours in a row. | ||
| You can't. | ||
| But you can play video games 10 hours in a row, 12 hours in a row. | ||
| You just keep going. | ||
| You hear this guy was like playing video games and... | ||
| They die. | ||
| People die. | ||
| They die. | ||
| They have fucking heart attacks and die. | ||
| It's very intense. | ||
| Sometimes we leave and I don't even feel good. | ||
| We leave and I feel all fucked up. | ||
| You're unhappy about yourself. | ||
| You're like, why did I do this? | ||
| You wasted a lot of time and also your system is so taxed because it's so intense. | ||
| And we're talking mad shit to each other. | ||
| It's a lot of fun. | ||
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What's up? | |
| Just made me think of this. | ||
| An article about the amount of calories that chess masters burn. | ||
| Yes, I saw that one. | ||
| I was just thinking about the same thing. | ||
| 7,000 in a tournament or something insane like that. | ||
| They lose incredible amounts of weight during these tournaments. | ||
| Well, they're just realizing now that this is a calorie thing. | ||
| That your brain, when you're under intense focus, your brain burns off a shitload of calories. | ||
| That's why I lose a lot of calories, I think. | ||
| You're a smart guy, right? | ||
| Thank you. | ||
| Yeah, but I really think that that's the same thing with video games as well. | ||
| I mean, I get out of here, man. | ||
| I'm fucking exhausted sometimes when we were in those rambling play sessions. | ||
| You should go into that e-sport thing. | ||
| Fuck that. | ||
| Imagine. | ||
| There's not enough lives to live. | ||
| That's why I don't understand when people say they're bored. | ||
| I'm like, how can you be bored? | ||
| There's so many things to do. | ||
| There's so many things you can get obsessed with. | ||
| What's your opinion? | ||
| I wanted to pick your brain on that because me and my wife, we have a pact. | ||
| And people are going to think we're crazy, but I don't give a shit. | ||
| Since we met in 2016 in Thailand, we never had a night apart. | ||
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Whoa! | |
| No nights apart at all? | ||
| And I loved it because I said, I don't know, we have only one life, and I love her to that. | ||
| She's my life partner. | ||
| She always believed in me. | ||
| I think she's the reason why I became champion because prior to meeting her, I was just, no ambition, no nothing. | ||
| And then my point is that the reason behind that is that I want to, you need more coffee, huh? | ||
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No. | |
| I want to spend as much time as I can because you don't know if there's something after. | ||
| What do you think? | ||
| I think you should be happy. | ||
| And if you're happy doing that, that's great. | ||
| Not about that. | ||
| I'm super happy with that. | ||
| That's my goal in life is to have as much time as I can with her. | ||
| Do you think it's helping? | ||
| No, not about the afterlife. | ||
| For science, I think it leads to that we're going to just cease existing. | ||
| Yeah, but that's not science, honestly. | ||
| Well, science is the study of how the brain works and the study of where the memory is located and what parts of the brain are affected by injury and studies on fMRI where they're measuring areas of the brain that are active during specific activities. | ||
| That's real science. | ||
| There's no real science about what happens when you die. | ||
| It's pure speculation. | ||
| I mean, our physical body, I'm saying it's going to die, right? | ||
| And then my point is, I know there's absolutely no science about that, but my point is, I'm doing speculations that if we do stop existing, we do stop living and breathing, what's our essence? | ||
| Where is it going? | ||
| Is there an energy? | ||
| Is there a spirit? | ||
| It's so hard to say. | ||
| Well, no one can really say. | ||
| It's pure speculation. | ||
| And I'm always skeptical of people that think they know for sure nothing happens as much as I'm skeptical of people that think for sure they know what happens. | ||
| It's just comforting for some people to have an answer, whether it's the lights go out and that's it. | ||
| I mean, that's Richard Dawkins' perspective. | ||
| Oh yeah, is it? | ||
| Yeah, but other people's perspective. | ||
| But he's never done psychedelics. | ||
| He's got this very reductionist perspective, scientific, based on what we know right now. | ||
| So he's adamant that when you die, you die? | ||
| Yeah, but that's nonsense. | ||
| He doesn't know. | ||
| I mean, you don't know. | ||
| I mean, I understand that he's a man of science and logic, and this is how he likes to frame the world, but the reality is no one has any idea. | ||
| And most people don't want to adhere to that train of thought because it's very scary. | ||
| Well, it's also... | ||
| If you've done psychedelic drugs, you know that there's a very strange thing that can happen to your brain and to your consciousness when it interacts with certain molecules. | ||
| What is that? | ||
| Never tried it. | ||
| Well, some people believe that that is a portal to the afterlife and that what happens when you die during periods of extreme stress, your brain produces psychedelic chemicals. | ||
| We don't know what the soul is. | ||
| Is that a real thing? | ||
| Is it nonsense? | ||
| We don't know. | ||
| Your consciousness is clearly affected by injury, injury to the brain. | ||
| It's clearly affected by age. | ||
| It's clearly affected by deterioration. | ||
| It's clearly affected by some exogenous chemicals. | ||
| But is... | ||
| Is that you? | ||
| Or is that something that your brain is housing? | ||
| I mean, what happens when you die? | ||
| Does it transfer to something else? | ||
| Does your brain, you know, house consciousness? | ||
| Or does your body house consciousness? | ||
| Or is consciousness a part of it? | ||
| And when your brain shuts off, there's no activity. | ||
| Does the consciousness cease? | ||
| Or do you transcend? | ||
| No one knows. | ||
| No one really knows. | ||
| I think Penn and Teller, what's the big guy's name? | ||
| Penn. | ||
| Penn, yeah. | ||
| I think I like what he said. | ||
| He said, we don't know. | ||
| That's the real answer. | ||
| The real answer is we don't know. | ||
| Anybody saying anything like that? | ||
| I don't know. | ||
| Maybe they know something we don't know. | ||
| It's interesting. | ||
| It's interesting to think of. | ||
| There's a lot of people that don't believe that you are the same person every day. | ||
| There's a lot of people that believe that when you go to sleep, That you wake up in the morning and you assume that all of your memories of your life, they're accurate, and that you are absolutely the person that you were when you went to bed the day before. | ||
| But you don't even know that. | ||
| You don't really know that. | ||
| You know that you have some memories that you can call upon. | ||
| Unless you record them like you do. | ||
| But even if you record them, like, who the fuck is recording it? | ||
| Are you sure that's you? | ||
| I mean, are you the same person? | ||
| I mean, there's all these ideas of many worlds, these quantum physicists, like to bring up that there's a bunch of different interactions that are happening simultaneously, and that it's so hard to even... | ||
| To even conceive of the possibility of multiple dimensions and then the possibility of infinite universes that we travel back and forth through all these different things. | ||
| And that based on the decisions that you make, based on, who the fuck knows, an infinite number of variables, that your life moves in a bunch of different directions. | ||
| You know, the idea of an infinite universe also means there's an infinite number of David Ledoux's out there. | ||
| I know, I know. | ||
| That's what's really crazy. | ||
| There's an infinite number of young Jamie's, there's an infinite number of, you know, fill in the blank, Neil deGrasse Tyson's, Mike Tyson, Vander Holyfield, there's an infinite number of them. | ||
| And they're all doing different things and all slightly different lives. | ||
| How was it when you did the DMT? I've done it a bunch of times. | ||
| It's very strange. | ||
| I'm scared of that. | ||
| You should be scared. | ||
| Okay. | ||
| I'm scared. | ||
| And what does it look like? | ||
| What does it look like? | ||
| It looks like, well, it depends on the purity of it. | ||
| When you get it really pure, it's almost like a white-looking crystal. | ||
| Sometimes it's a little bit yellowish. | ||
| It's more of a yellowish-looking crystal. | ||
| And you freebase it. | ||
| That's something that our brain creates. | ||
| Yes, your brain produces it. | ||
| It's one of the reasons why your body can bring it back to baseline so quickly. | ||
| Your body knows what to do with it. | ||
| It has it. | ||
| It's a part of your whole chemical system. | ||
| How do you read about this? | ||
| How do you come up with this? | ||
| I don't remember how I first heard of it. | ||
| I think I heard of it listening to Terrence McKenna talk about it. | ||
| I think that was the first thing I ever heard of it. | ||
| When I first did it, I couldn't believe that this is a possibility. | ||
| That this is something that exists on Earth that... | ||
| So many people don't even know about. | ||
| Did you need to lock the doors when you do it? | ||
| I mean, I did it in my living room with some friends. | ||
| How long does it last? | ||
| About 15-20 minutes. | ||
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Oh, it's short. | |
| I thought it was like a three-day thing. | ||
| No, no, no. | ||
| It feels like it's three days. | ||
| It feels like forever and then instant. | ||
| It feels like it just happened and it also feels like forever. | ||
| But it's very strange. | ||
| It feels like you've been there before when you go there. | ||
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Really? | |
| Yeah. | ||
| It's like you leave the world. | ||
| You leave this space and you go to some incredible dimension that seems more real than this. | ||
| It's very, very intense. | ||
| Do you think it's like something that people should experience? | ||
| I think that's up to people. | ||
| Yeah, good point. | ||
| I know we have to be careful what we say to people, but I understand. | ||
| I used to think people need to do it. | ||
| But I used to think people need to do everything. | ||
| I think you do whatever you want. | ||
| And also having children. | ||
| There's a lot of people that say, you should have children. | ||
| I don't know about that, man. | ||
| I think everybody has a different path. | ||
| I think you can be a complete... | ||
| I don't think that that's necessary. | ||
| For me, it was very educational. | ||
| It helped me a lot. | ||
| I love it. | ||
| I'm very happy to be a father. | ||
| I've learned a lot, but I don't think it's necessary. | ||
| I think you can be a complete person without a lot of experiences. | ||
| I think what's more important is like, what kind of experiences are you having with the people that you're around with and are you being fulfilled? | ||
| Like if you inherently, like inside of you, you always wanted to be a chess master, but you never I've never pursued it. | ||
| You're going to have that regret and that longing for something. | ||
| For you, if you didn't pursue that, if you didn't go after that, if you instead decide to get a job in accounting or something like that, you would have this longing to do something. | ||
| And I think everyone has a different makeup, a different psychological makeup, different personality, different interests. | ||
| And I think, there's a lot of people that are interested in things that I have no desire to do, and to them it's their whole life. | ||
| And I'm not interested in it at all, but I'm not them. | ||
| It's like finding out what it is for you. | ||
| What is it in your life that attracts you? | ||
| I've been very, very, very fortunate. | ||
| And one of the things that I've been very fortunate is, I... I would say I'm a risk taker, but it's more that I don't have any interest in doing safe things. | ||
| I don't have any interest in taking an easy job, a safe job where I know I'm going to get a paycheck every week. | ||
| This never interests me. | ||
| That seems like prison. | ||
| Yeah, me too. | ||
| I've never been able to do it. | ||
| And I always thought that I was a loser because I couldn't do that. | ||
| Because other people could work hard, and they could get a good job, and they would get a pension. | ||
| Security, whatever. | ||
| I felt, when I was young, that there was something wrong with me. | ||
| That I couldn't do that. | ||
| Because I grew up in New England. | ||
| And in Boston, everybody worked hard. | ||
| This was like a hard, blue-collar sort of environment. | ||
| I couldn't do it, man. | ||
| I couldn't do it. | ||
| These guys all showed up for work every day at 7 a.m. | ||
| I wanted to kill myself. | ||
| Did you do it a little bit? | ||
| Did you try it? | ||
| Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. | ||
| I tried it. | ||
| I did a lot of construction gigs and a lot of different small jobs. | ||
| It's the same reason why I left because I felt like I was missing something. | ||
| I wanted to see the world. | ||
| I wanted to leave. | ||
| Yes. | ||
| Well, that's you, though. | ||
| But look, now you're fulfilled. | ||
| You're a fulfilled person. | ||
| You're living your life, but that's you. | ||
| For a other person, that would be torture. | ||
| If you had some guy that really just wants to be a mathematician and someone's like, no, no, no, you're going to go to Myanmar. | ||
| You're going to be a fucking left-weight champion. | ||
| You'd be like, what? | ||
| I'm not headbutting anybody. | ||
| Fuck you or not, man. | ||
| You're better. | ||
| Because they're going to headbutt you. | ||
| No! | ||
| You're going to fight in prison. | ||
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What? | |
| What? | ||
| I'm not fighting in prison. | ||
| For the record, guys, I wasn't incarcerated, by the way. | ||
| I was invited there. | ||
| You're fighting somebody who was in prison. | ||
| But that, you know, everyone has their own path. | ||
| Some people, like, do you know who Alex Honnold is? | ||
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No. | |
| He's the guy who they made that movie Free Solo about. | ||
| He's the guy who climbs all these mountains with no rules. | ||
| Oh my god. | ||
| My friend did it and he fell and he got disfigured but now it's healing up but he did it. | ||
| No rope. | ||
| How far did he fall? | ||
| Look, I have to show you the picture. | ||
| It was a bad fall. | ||
| It was a bad... | ||
| It looked like he got bitten by a dog. | ||
| It was like... | ||
| I guess they look for a rush. | ||
| That's an amazing rush they must get. | ||
| I think so, but Alex, the way he described it, he said it's not really a rush. | ||
| He said it's pretty mellow. | ||
| Okay. | ||
| Because if you get a rush, you're in trouble. | ||
| Yeah, true. | ||
| You know, he's like, the whole thing, but it's obviously, there's something about that intense challenge that's appealing to him that doesn't attract me at all. | ||
| Not even a little bit. | ||
| I have no fucking desire. | ||
| I don't want to even climb with ropes, but this guy loves it. | ||
| Did you do Bungie before? | ||
| Did you try Bungie? | ||
| No, never done that either. | ||
| No, fuck. | ||
|
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Fuck that. | |
| Skydiving, no? | ||
| No, fuck you. | ||
|
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Why not? | |
| You do DMT, but you don't do skydiving. | ||
| Some people love it, man. | ||
| I get it. | ||
| I get it. | ||
| Look, my friend Andy, he's a world champion. | ||
| He holds the world record in wearing one of those wingsuits. | ||
| My friend Andy Stump. | ||
| That was a gold of mine for a while. | ||
| Oh, but he's had a bunch of friends that have died, man. | ||
| They've had to carry them off the mountain because they fucking hit the ground. | ||
| You know, guys who have jumped and then they hear a crash and then they realize that guy just slammed into a fucking tree. | ||
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He's out. | |
| There's a really horrible video of a guy slamming into a bridge. | ||
| He was trying to go through a bridge. | ||
| He was trying to make it through the gap of a bridge. | ||
| He misjudged and he slammed right into the bridge while these people were on it filming it. | ||
| You see him come in and he just misjudges it and BAM! He hits the bridge. | ||
| It's horrific, man. | ||
| If he has a strong neck, he's fine. | ||
| See, I think... | ||
| Everybody is different. | ||
| Some people are put on this life to be a poet. | ||
| Some people are put on this life to be an author. | ||
| Describe put on this life. | ||
| Whoever you are, how you feel, what is the thing that you're drawn to? | ||
| For some people, it's architecture. | ||
| They want to build houses. | ||
| They're fascinated by the construction methods. | ||
| They're fascinated by design. | ||
| And they're just really drawn to want to build houses. | ||
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Yeah. | |
| Some people want to make music. | ||
| Some people are drawn to lyrics and they're drawn to musical notes and bars and changes and that's their thing. | ||
| Everybody has a... | ||
| I mean, some people have many things, you know, and for some people that's their problem is they have so many things, it's hard to focus on one. | ||
| But really the key, I think, to happiness in life... | ||
| Being honest with yourself and finding whatever it is that's attractive to you. | ||
| Whatever it is that draws you. | ||
| Whether it's animation or sculpture or making clothes. | ||
| Everyone has a thing. | ||
| While you were talking there, I felt like I was in another dimension. | ||
| I was like, I lost myself. | ||
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Really? | |
| Why? | ||
| I was like, I don't know, I'm thinking, I think I'm crazy. | ||
| Yeah, you're definitely crazy. | ||
| Yeah, of course. | ||
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To be really great at anything, I think you have to be crazy. | |
| You're like, you're doing something and then you have the feeling like you don't know, I don't know. | ||
| You're carried away. | ||
| Yeah, you're getting carried away in the thoughts. | ||
| Yeah, I have that all the time, man. | ||
| It's a crazy life. | ||
| It is a crazy life, but it's a really crazy life if you follow your passions. | ||
| And it's a fucking crazy, boring life if you don't. | ||
| Well said. | ||
| And there's a lot of people out there that unfortunately, whether it's their family, sometimes your family, they'll try to influence you in a way to get you to do something that's safer. | ||
| I mean, my own family did that. | ||
| They were always trying to get me to... | ||
| The big one was graduate from college, graduate from university, get a degree, have a safe... | ||
| Don't just try to... | ||
| How did you do it? | ||
| Do comedy. | ||
| Because I know Gary Vee is a big proponent of that, like, you know, quit school. | ||
| And how did you do, like, because a lot of people are stuck with what their parents think. | ||
| So you just said, fuck it, I'm going to do it regardless. | ||
| Yeah, I think my parents gave up on trying to control me very young. | ||
| They didn't even want me to do martial arts when I started doing martial arts. | ||
| When did you start? | ||
| Really heavily when I was 15. I started when I was 14, but really heavily when I was 15. That's when I just became obsessed with Taekwondo and competing. | ||
| At first, they didn't want me to do it, but then that was the first thing that I ever did that made me feel like I wasn't a loser. | ||
| It was the first thing that I ever did that I got really good at. | ||
| Good at and started getting recognition from it and started winning tournaments and then I realized, wow, if I focus on something and become obsessed with something, I can get really good at it. | ||
| So that led to learning how to do that and applying that sort of same energy to other things in life. | ||
| You know, I think sometimes people just have to find a thing, whatever that thing is that really floats your boat, and then find the time. | ||
| Find the time to pursue it and set up your life so that you have the time to pursue it. | ||
| And now they're scared sometimes, oh wait, if I do this, there's not going to be income around it, but they just have to persevere and money will come and just everything is possible, I think, and it's crazy, but now that I kind of lived it, It's true. | ||
| You can do whatever you want. | ||
| Do you live in Myanmar now? | ||
| No, we actually lived in Dubai for a year. | ||
| So we lived in Thailand for three years. | ||
| Then we kind of left for Myanmar for a few months. | ||
| What brought you to Dubai? | ||
| Yeah, exactly. | ||
| We went to Myanmar for a few months trying to open a gym. | ||
| So I want to open the first Latwe gym. | ||
| It's on the ice for now. | ||
| It will happen when the Latwe gym. | ||
| But for now, this and then, like, it's very poor, right? | ||
| It's like 50 years behind Thailand. | ||
| It's a beautiful, very raw, very rich country. | ||
| Not rich, like meaning the culture is rich. | ||
| And then we kind of got there. | ||
| There's a real estate bubble there. | ||
| So the place we had was a two-bedroom apartment, $2,000 a month. | ||
| In Myanmar. | ||
| And it was not even downtown. | ||
| It was like outside a bit. | ||
| And so I was like, okay. | ||
| And then electricity cuts happens all the time. | ||
| You need a big-ass generator. | ||
| And then when it cuts, you don't have Wi-Fi. | ||
| I was like, my wife, she's Russian. | ||
| She really raised her standards of living. | ||
| So I want to give her the best life possible, right? | ||
| So then we get a call to do a seminar in Dubai. | ||
| We go there. | ||
| And she's like, raining season is approaching, Dave. | ||
| And when it rains, I don't want to be in Myanmar. | ||
| Because then... | ||
| Everything stops, right? | ||
| So I'm like, okay. | ||
| So imagine like, I paid a deposit on an apartment before leaving the seminar. | ||
| So it's like you're in Cleveland and you just, you pay for a place because you're there. | ||
| So you went to Dubai to do a seminar. | ||
| You said, all right, we'll stay here for a little bit. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| Well, Dubai is very nice, right? | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| But it's a bit like, for me, it's a bit like fake. | ||
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Fake? | |
| It's everything. | ||
| It's a concrete jungle. | ||
| I mean, the best way to put it. | ||
| Nothing grows there. | ||
| Nothing organic. | ||
| You get the raspberries and they perish in a few days. | ||
| Like, it's... | ||
| Well, it's the desert, really. | ||
| Yeah, nothing grows. | ||
| But it's cool if you want to party like Mayweather. | ||
| You just go there and you party. | ||
| Does Mayweather party in Dubai? | ||
| Everybody does. | ||
| Does it? | ||
| Rappers. | ||
| I've only been there once for the weigh-ins. | ||
| Yeah, there was a fight in Abu Dhabi and we had the weigh-ins in Dubai and we went there for a day. | ||
| The last one? | ||
| No, I didn't go to that one. | ||
| This was several years ago when Anderson Silva fought Damien Maia. | ||
| And I remember thinking, man, there's fucking Ferraris everywhere and Lamborghinis and Rolls Royces. | ||
| A lot of money. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| Dubai has a lot of money. | ||
| You know, the crazy thing is that you get a nice car. | ||
| Like, I have a sponsor there. | ||
| I drive cool cars. | ||
| I'm not a big materialist. | ||
| What do you drive? | ||
| McLaren. | ||
| You got a McLaren? | ||
| Not me. | ||
| It's my sponsor. | ||
| Which one? | ||
| The 320-something S. I'm not sure. | ||
| You don't even know what it is? | ||
| I don't care. | ||
| I'm not a materialist guy. | ||
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What? | |
| I found my sandals on the floor. | ||
| You found them? | ||
| I give all my money to my wife. | ||
| Well, they're probably somebody else's. | ||
| It had holes in it. | ||
| I really don't care about clothing. | ||
| This is a t-shirt from a fan. | ||
| Anyway, I'm not a very big materialist. | ||
| So you have a sponsor that gave you a McLaren to drive? | ||
| Yeah, when I'm there, yeah. | ||
| So now we actually left there. | ||
| Dubai? | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| And now we bought a place and we have a house that we want to grow there in Cyprus. | ||
| So now we live in Cyprus. | ||
| Is that outside of France? | ||
| It's Mediterranean. | ||
| So next to Jordan, Egypt, Turkey. | ||
| It's like the most eastern country in Europe, in the EU. What brought you there? | ||
| You know what? | ||
| And I was in Dubai with my wife. | ||
| I'm like, I don't see we can have kids here. | ||
| It's a bit like, you know, they're going to grow with bad values, I believe. | ||
| It's all about materialistic, about like, you know, everything is about the money. | ||
| You want a car, you need to pay like, to have the 111. It's a million dollars for that. | ||
| Like, it's all just bad values, I believe, for me. | ||
| Oh, you mean the license plates? | ||
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Yes. | |
| Oh, 111 license plate. | ||
| So it's not enough to have a nice real source. | ||
| You need to have the one... | ||
| So that's an extra million right there. | ||
| That's hilarious. | ||
| They pay a million bucks for their license plate? | ||
| What a bunch of dipshits. | ||
| Thank you. | ||
| That is the dumbest fucking thing. | ||
| Who gives a fuck what your license plate says? | ||
| A million dollars? | ||
| That's when you're just running out of shit to buy. | ||
| People buy exclusive things. | ||
| There's only three of these purses. | ||
| They should make more. | ||
| It's so not important in our human life. | ||
| It's so not important. | ||
| But the license plate thing is so weird. | ||
| They have an issue with that in the United States. | ||
| They have an issue with people from other countries that bring their cars over here. | ||
| Like really rich people from Saudi Arabia. | ||
| Oh yeah? | ||
| They call it Saudi Arabian summer because in summer in Saudi Arabia, it's so fucking hot that summer in America seems like nothing. | ||
| So summer in LA, which gets to be 105 degrees, they fucking spit on that. | ||
| They laugh at that. | ||
| Like, that ain't shit. | ||
| So they bring these expensive cars like Lamborghinis and Ferraris and shit. | ||
| To save them from the summer. | ||
| When they bring them over here, and they bring them over here with Saudi Arabian plates. | ||
| So they have, like, embassy plates, and they have, like, consulate plates. | ||
| And, you know, it became an issue in parts of Beverly Hills because, like, they're not even registered, and they're not even registered in America. | ||
| And they go back after, or what? | ||
| I don't know what the fuck they do. | ||
| But they're driving these things around. | ||
| Like, I was at a hotel in Beverly Hills. | ||
| I went to a restaurant there. | ||
| And there was a car that was parked there, like a Lamborghini, that had... | ||
| Like, Saudi Arabian license plate. | ||
| I'm like, this is crazy. | ||
| Like, how do you have a Saudi Arabia plate in America? | ||
| Like, how the fuck does this even get over here? | ||
| The guy was saying, no, it's like the whole thing about license plates. | ||
| It's like a sign of opulence that they're able to ship their vehicle from there. | ||
| Not buy a car here and register it here, but ship it from there. | ||
| They drive their own car here. | ||
| That's what it is. | ||
| They bring it over here on a boat. | ||
| Oh, my God. | ||
| Yeah, so they load their shit up on boats, have it brought up here, they pick it up at the dock and then drive it around with Saudi Arabian plates. | ||
| Status, I guess. | ||
| When you deal with things like oil money, I think it gets to this level that you and I will never understand. | ||
| No. | ||
| A level of money that just doesn't... | ||
| You're born into it too. | ||
| But again, I'm also a bit grateful because the highest suicide rate is in trust fund babies. | ||
| People are born with too much and they never worked for it, so then they're unhappy. | ||
| So I think it's okay to work for your goals. | ||
| You feel more happy with it. | ||
| I think so too. | ||
| To go back to what we said, we just Googled with my wife. | ||
| We were in Dubai. | ||
| We just Googled. | ||
| So where we want to live. | ||
| So I said, what's important for us? | ||
| No snow? | ||
| So we just googled what's the best weather in the world. | ||
| We had the luxury to say that, so I said cool. | ||
| We googled it. | ||
| It gave us Spain, Cyprus, and Costa Rica. | ||
| Costa Rica was a bit too like... | ||
| A lot of bugs, monkeys, crocodiles. | ||
| Cyprus it is. | ||
| So what's it like in Cyprus? | ||
| It's like amazing. | ||
| What language do they speak? | ||
| Greek and English. | ||
| It used to be Greek. | ||
| And actually Turkish invaded four years ago. | ||
| So half the island is Turkish. | ||
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Wow. | |
| They took it back from like years ago. | ||
| They said, oh, it's our part of the island. | ||
| So they took half of the island and the other half, the north, is all Greek. | ||
| Beautiful. | ||
| So did you learn Turkish? | ||
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No. | |
| Did you learn Greek? | ||
| No, they speak English pretty well. | ||
| No, just speak English? | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| And actually half the people there, it's a million people in the island. | ||
| That's the country, a million people in the country. | ||
| And most of it are Russian. | ||
| So my Russian is getting pretty good. | ||
| Oh, and your wife speak Russian as well? | ||
| Yeah, she's born there. | ||
| Oh, that helps. | ||
| But she taught me, so... | ||
| Wow, you lived an international life, my man. | ||
| The nomad. | ||
| Yeah, you're all over the fucking place. | ||
| You too, you travel everywhere. | ||
| Yeah, but so now when you're training, are you training in Cyprus? | ||
| Do you have your own gym? | ||
| That's the hard part. | ||
| That's the hard part. | ||
| So right now, I would like... | ||
| In my last training camp, I came back to Canada and Montreal with Sifu Patrick. | ||
| We trained hard. | ||
| And then, now I'm like, where am I going to do my next training camp? | ||
| I have to fly maybe... | ||
| Because the high level of striking in Turkey, you know, glory, I have a friend that fought. | ||
| So I was like, maybe I'm just going to fly the guy for a month, train with me in Cyprus, and then fight, you know? | ||
| Oh, but if the fight is in June in the States, I will actually probably do my training camp again with my bad known guys. | ||
| Yes. | ||
| In Montreal. | ||
| I think I will do my training camp in Montreal again. | ||
| And that's good, too, because it'll be the spring. | ||
| It'll be fairly warm. | ||
| Oh, yeah, true. | ||
| I don't want snowmen. | ||
| I get it, man. | ||
| I grew up in Boston. | ||
| I get it. | ||
| Yeah, snow there. | ||
| Yeah, not as cold as Montreal, though. | ||
| Your area, Quebec, is quite a bit colder. | ||
| I remember thinking that Boston was cold, and then I went up to Montreal in December. | ||
| In December? | ||
| In December. | ||
| And I was like, what the fuck, man? | ||
| This is real cold. | ||
| That's next-level cold. | ||
| You don't have a Boston accent? | ||
| No, I got rid of it. | ||
| I heard myself on TV. I won the Bay State Games when I was 19. And I heard myself on TV and I was like, oh my god, that fucking accent's gotta go. | ||
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What's it like? | |
| Boston? | ||
| Pack your car. | ||
| Okay. | ||
| Working really hard. | ||
| It's a weird accent. | ||
| It's a strange accent. | ||
| Every accent is weird. | ||
| Australian is weird too. | ||
| I think everything foreign to us is weird. | ||
| But Boston is particularly gross when women have that accent. | ||
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Okay. | |
| Okay. | ||
| It's just like, some accents are hot with women. | ||
| Like, English is hot. | ||
| You know, Georgia, Texas, that's hot. | ||
| Russian. | ||
| Russian's hot. | ||
| Boston's gross. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| It's gross. | ||
| Even New York is better than Boston. | ||
| Something about Boston is just like, when women have it. | ||
| Men can have it. | ||
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It's cool. | |
| It reminds me of my friends. | ||
| I like it. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| I like when I hear it on men, but I hear it on women. | ||
| Maybe that's what the problem is. | ||
| It reminds me of girls that I dated when I was young. | ||
| Ah, that's why. | ||
| I was like, oh, let me get the fuck away from you. | ||
| You touched it right there, and that's what it is. | ||
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Yeah. | |
| Where you going? | ||
| Yeah, so this is crazy. | ||
| So that will be definitely your next fight? | ||
| Yeah, in June. | ||
| June in the States. | ||
| 100%. | ||
| So excited for this. | ||
| So you have a lot of time to think about that, man. | ||
| We're only here, it's not even November yet. | ||
| November, yeah. | ||
| So then actually now I'm in the middle of the, like, my... | ||
| You stole my name, Joe. | ||
| I called it the Dave Lezuki Experience. | ||
| Well, I stole it from Jimi Hendrix. | ||
| I stole it from Gary. | ||
| He had it before I was born. | ||
| Hendrix had the Jimi Hendrix experience in the late 60s. | ||
| It's good. | ||
| It's a worldwide brand now. | ||
| It's amazing what you've built. | ||
| It's crazy. | ||
| Congratulations for this. | ||
| Thank you. | ||
| I don't know how it happened. | ||
| It just happened. | ||
| Well, you're a personal guy. | ||
| Everybody loves you. | ||
| You deserve it. | ||
| Well, I think it's one of those things you just keep doing it. | ||
| If you just keep doing things, you just get better at doing it. | ||
| Consistency. | ||
| And I need your advice on that because I started a thing called Let's With Tuesday. | ||
| I did 35 episodes. | ||
| And while I was in Asia, and I was killing it, and it was pretty cool. | ||
| What is it? | ||
| Is it on YouTube? | ||
| Yeah, YouTube. | ||
| Yeah, I got a decent amount of views. | ||
| Not your views. | ||
| But is it instructional? | ||
| It was when I was doing my first fights. | ||
| I was teaching the headbutts and the culture. | ||
| I'm going to start it again. | ||
| Is it on YouTube right now? | ||
| Pull some of that up, Jim. | ||
| Go on the how to build your hands. | ||
| They might like this one. | ||
| Build your hands? | ||
| It's like a two-minute video. | ||
| What do you do? | ||
| So my push-ups, it's basically you can do some push-ups on your knuckle with some micro-jumps to create some micro-fractures. | ||
| And then finger push-up for all the tendons, the ligaments. | ||
| Well, you're doing that. | ||
| You're doing it with these knuckles. | ||
| You're not even doing it with the front two? | ||
| Yeah, I guess it depends. | ||
| If I'm doing my tricep, it would be those two. | ||
| Yeah, I just sit on the table. | ||
| It's hard to say. | ||
| That's the thing about... | ||
| They would always tell you in karate or anything else when you're punching, that if you're going to punch with bare knuckle... | ||
| Okay, good. | ||
| Yeah, that's all fucked up, huh? | ||
| Yeah, they get hard as shit. | ||
| Are you using anything to... | ||
| Are you like a macawarra or something? | ||
| Are you pounding on something? | ||
| I just do... | ||
| I actually want to save my hand as much as possible. | ||
| Because they're getting so fucked up for the fights, I put my hands in the ice bucket after every fight. | ||
| So I just save them, but I do my... | ||
| Save inflammation. | ||
| But then these, and then on the wrist. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| Have you tried these ones? | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| It's pretty cool. | ||
| It's hard. | ||
| So you've got fingertip push-ups, knuckle push-ups, and then wrist push-ups. | ||
| And more. | ||
| So this is... | ||
| That's a little high. | ||
| Maybe the beginning. | ||
| You can show the beginning. | ||
| This is a cool video, too, though. | ||
| That's 2-2. | ||
| That's me and Cyrus. | ||
| Just let this roll, Jamie, so we can see some of this. | ||
| So headbutt right there. | ||
| Boom. | ||
| Boom. | ||
| Yeah, boom. | ||
| Damn. | ||
| Oh, that's a nice thing. | ||
| Did Cyrus try to headbutt you? | ||
| He couldn't. | ||
| It was a one-sided fight completely. | ||
| So did he prepare for headbutts and things like that? | ||
| Yeah, he was a veteran. | ||
| He went to Myanmar before me. | ||
| You know, he spoke about it last time. | ||
| That's my fake roundhouse, the sidekick. | ||
| Oh, nice. | ||
| Super annoying. | ||
| That's a good move, man. | ||
| Fake roundhouse, sidekick, especially for a long, tall guy like you. | ||
| But anyway, so that's the push-ups. | ||
| So do you punch the bag bare knuckle a lot with no wrist wraps or anything like that? | ||
| Yeah, exactly. | ||
| Actually, when you see the good quality of view, that's Jeff. | ||
| He was here with Israel. | ||
| He's Israel's personal guy. | ||
| Oh, with Israel Adesanya? | ||
| Yeah, we met, me and Jeff and Tiger at the time, so I miss those high-quality videos. | ||
| Now I would do it on my phone, I think. | ||
| Well, it's interesting because you're one of the only guys that speaks English that's talking about this, that's talking about this sport and that competes in this sport and is a champion of this sport. | ||
| I mean, as far as, like, the history of the sport, you're probably one of the really the only guys who's an English speaker that's been a champion. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| So the ligament, the pushups on the hands, I think it's very hard. | ||
| When I do it in my seminars, people have a hard time doing it. | ||
| And I think it's key because if you fight with no gloves, with only gauze, you can feel it fucking training. | ||
| Basically, if you hit the teat or something, you don't want to get this. | ||
| Why I started doing this is because I fought in Japan, my second fight in Japan. | ||
| And I was always like a dream of mine because of Street Fighter, right? | ||
| Super Nintendo, Street Fighter. | ||
| Japan! | ||
| You know? | ||
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Right, right, right. | |
| So I was like, I was always thinking like either Guilde or American or Sagat. | ||
| And then, yeah, that's the one. | ||
| That's on the knuckles. | ||
| So you do some little jumps. | ||
| I'm going to tell everybody, I think. | ||
| What is that surface? | ||
| Is that concrete? | ||
| Yeah, that's concrete, yeah. | ||
| For the craziest of us. | ||
| It's not very pleasant, this one. | ||
| Interesting. | ||
| And you're not using the front two knuckles. | ||
| Well, I guess, yeah. | ||
| I mean, the big one touches. | ||
| Yeah, the big one in the middle, but not the far one. | ||
| When I fight, you're right, but when I fight, it's only the big one that pops out anyway. | ||
| And have you broken your hands fighting that way? | ||
| No. | ||
| Actually, I was going there. | ||
| So when I fight in Japan, at the second round, I dislocated my finger. | ||
| It was pretty bad, like broken, dislocated. | ||
| And my corner man, he's a former Golden Belt guy, doesn't speak a word of English again. | ||
| And I'm like... | ||
| Pop it out, so at least I can close my fist and finish the fight. | ||
| So he doesn't understand nothing, and you can see it's pretty bad. | ||
| So I ended up fighting the whole fight like this. | ||
| I couldn't close it, so I was like, okay. | ||
| But I'm thankful it happened, because that was the first fight I landed, my elbows and my first headbutts. | ||
| At first solid headbutts. | ||
| Because you had an injury. | ||
| I had no choice. | ||
| I couldn't do my cross anymore. | ||
| So elbows, headbutts. | ||
| Did you try to pull it out yourself? | ||
| I didn't know at the time. | ||
| I tried it, but the doctor used a lot of force to do it. | ||
| So I didn't want to make a big scene out of it because all the Japanese people watching it, they knew about it because the commentator was talking about it. | ||
| It's like, David San fingers, but my Turkish opponent, He didn't know. | ||
| So I was like, I don't want to, you know? | ||
| But yeah, we finished the fight and now I'm like, it never will happen again. | ||
| I started training these. | ||
| So what do you do in the off-season? | ||
| So if you don't have a training camp, so if you don't have someone coming to you to get you prepared for a fight, you don't have a fight until June, you want to stay sharp. | ||
| So what kind of work are you doing? | ||
| Well, that's funny. | ||
| After we're done today, I'm going to go with Gokor. | ||
| I'm going to do a private with him. | ||
| Oh, interesting. | ||
| I like to stay sharp with this. | ||
| So you're going to learn leg locks and other kinds of things? | ||
| Our school, the Patron Martial Arts, is actually affiliated with Gokor, Hayastan Academy, in Montreal, in Gatineau, Quebec. | ||
| Well, Gokor's Academy is one of the very first around this area, and even in the country, that was concentrating on leg locks. | ||
| A lot of those guys were killer leg lock guys. | ||
| I think Manny Gaborian, and I think he trained Ronda, Silva as well, Anderson. | ||
| So I really like him, and I think he's 56, and he's still competing. | ||
| He's still competing. | ||
| Kokar still competes? | ||
| He did like the Masters not long ago. | ||
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Interesting. | |
| Anyway, so I'm going to go there, but I try to, yeah, right now, like on the tour, especially on the tour right now, I can't even, I can't even, I did some weights in the hotel room, but we do a state every day. | ||
| Oh, wow. | ||
| So you're just worn out. | ||
| So tonight we're leaving for Texas, then New York, then Indiana. | ||
| But when you get back to Cyprus, so what do you do to stay sharp? | ||
| Because you don't have a gym there, right? | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| Do you have a gym that you train at in Cyprus? | ||
| We are in our place. | ||
| In the basement, we have a full-on gym, like private. | ||
| Not as cool as you, but not as big, but we have everything that I need. | ||
| But you don't have sports? | ||
| Sparring partners, you don't have someone to hold pads. | ||
| Yeah, I would have, I'm gonna, I'm gonna, because we just literally moved, I bought the place a month ago, a month ago, we dropped the luggage and we left for the tour. | ||
| That seems so crazy though for a guy who's a world champion and a professional fighter to not be in a place that has professional trainers and elite fighters. | ||
| Because I want to, I am a big proponent of like, I want to relax. | ||
| I want to enjoy life, grow old with my wife. | ||
| So I feel like this is the best, one of the best, America is an amazing country, but I feel this is the best country because there's no traffic. | ||
| LA, there's a lot of traffic, right? | ||
| You think? | ||
| Crazy, huh? | ||
| So no traffic, good food. | ||
| You walk in the streets in Cyprus, and you can pick olives. | ||
| Literally, we made a test. | ||
| Olives, and I gave it to my wife. | ||
| Then a date, then a fig, then everything. | ||
| We had about a million fruits in a 10-minute walk. | ||
| It's free on the street. | ||
| Just growing off trees. | ||
| Yeah, organic. | ||
| So I'm like, this is cool. | ||
| It's fresh, and also I studied because I want to live as long as I can. | ||
| Because again, we don't know what's going to happen after. | ||
| So I'm like, in Japan, one of the islands has one of the highest longevity. | ||
| No, they die late. | ||
| Yes. | ||
| So because they're near a body of water and they have a lot of seafood. | ||
| Right. | ||
| So I want to be on a body of water and this is an island. | ||
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| So yes, fantastic. | ||
| Well, it sounds like the quality of life is beautiful there, but the only thing that I would be concerned with is that training. | ||
| I know. | ||
| And also sparring partners, and someone to hold paths, someone to coach you. | ||
| I know. | ||
| Right now, so far, it's been amazing. | ||
| Like I said, I've been in Dubai and all my training camps back in Canada were good. | ||
| But now, you're right. | ||
| After, in January, we go back. | ||
| I'm going to film my academy, like my videos. | ||
| Uh-huh. | ||
| Which is also going to take a big part of it. | ||
| And then I have to stay sharp, so I'm going to have to look around and see what the gyms are. | ||
| I didn't even look into it yet. | ||
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Jesus. | |
| Yeah, I know. | ||
| I know. | ||
| Turkey has a lot of high-level fighters. | ||
| It's a 30-minute flight. | ||
| Yeah, and even wrestlers. | ||
| So it's a 30-minute flight to Turkey. | ||
| I might do that. | ||
| Yeah, and maybe you could fly people that'll come to you. | ||
| But that's one thing. | ||
| It seems like you, now that your profile's getting bigger, people would probably be more willing to come to you to train, to learn, and then train with you. | ||
| Just the thing is, I've realized, or I put on a high esteem quality of life Yes, fighting is cool, but I'm 27 and maybe I'm going to retire at 35, let's say. | ||
| I'm going to do as much as I can, but the rest, the other 70 years after that, if I live until 105, it's not going to be competing in the ring anymore. | ||
| So I value that a lot because it's the biggest part of my life. | ||
| I've only been fighting professionally since 2013. So... | ||
| But yeah, I will. | ||
| Is that the goal? | ||
| 35? | ||
| Is that the goal? | ||
| I think it's perfect. | ||
| Yeah, it's good. | ||
| More than that, I think you, I don't know, maybe because I'm actually excited to see when I'm going to hit 30, my testosterone. | ||
| Like, you know, I'm going to be stronger at 30, 31, 32. Well, you'd definitely be smarter. | ||
| You know, that's the thing that happens. | ||
| In terms of life experience, you know, you have enough. | ||
| I mean, they say the best fighters are really in their early 30s because their body is still strong, but their experience level is much higher. | ||
| Okay. | ||
| So when you're 20, you might be stronger or faster, but you don't know as much. | ||
| You don't have as much experience. | ||
| Your technique is not as sharp. | ||
| And as you get older, you just develop more experience. | ||
| As long as you're dedicated and focused. | ||
| But then again, the thing that I'm saying is the one thing that I would be concerned with is the lack of time training in a high-level environment, which I think is one of the most crucial things. | ||
| Yeah, so far I've not had that problem, but when I'll be actually moving there, I need to fly some guys. | ||
| But you've got to let us know when you do fight, and it's in the United States, we'll promote it, we'll let everybody know, and hopefully you'll have an opponent that people will recognize as well. | ||
| Yeah, absolutely. | ||
| It would be a good fight. | ||
| I'm excited, yeah. | ||
| Okay, perfect, yeah. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| I actually have something. | ||
| You know, Jamie, last time you did the Chinlong video. | ||
| He shared a video of two guys kicking the balls over their head. | ||
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Remember? | |
| Oh, yeah, yeah, yeah. | ||
| That crazy sport. | ||
| It's like volleyball with your feet. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| So this is like, it's Southeast Asia, and I have that ball with me for you. | ||
| Oh. | ||
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So look at that. | |
| What's the ball they use? | ||
| It's... | ||
| Oh, that's it? | ||
| Wow, that's crazy. | ||
| You see it? | ||
| That's the ball they kick? | ||
| Yeah. | ||
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Wow. | |
| And it looks strong, it looks hard, but you can do headbutts with this. | ||
| Oh, yeah, I'm sure. | ||
| Because that's what they do. | ||
| You can use all your body. | ||
| It's very light. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| Traditional Southeast Asia sport. | ||
| Man, watching those guys is incredible. | ||
| The leg dexterity. | ||
| No, no. | ||
| What is the game called again? | ||
| In Myanmar, it's called Chinlon. | ||
| When you go in circle... | ||
| Wow. | ||
| It's amazing watching those guys. | ||
| Oh, so they're playing on a court. | ||
| I've only seen it played on the grass and outside. | ||
| Oh my god, look at these fucking guys. | ||
| That's incredible. | ||
| Look at the fucking flexibility. | ||
| That's insane. | ||
| Oh my god. | ||
| That is incredible. | ||
| Wow! | ||
| Look at this dude! | ||
| Oh shit! | ||
| Look at that kick! | ||
| That's Malaysia. | ||
| Wow! | ||
| So it's super popular in Southeast Asia and it can use your head too. | ||
| Wow! | ||
| What a sport! | ||
| So Myanmar, it's part of the culture. | ||
| After every training, we go in a circle and we do that. | ||
| Oh really? | ||
| Oh yeah! | ||
| Your flexibility, I'm sure. | ||
| So I don't know if you can see on YouTube, there's one, it's Dave, it's in my video, it's like Dave in Myanmar, and I've tried it, and I can only do with my right leg, like a hacky sack, and my head butt, that's it. | ||
| You can see Dave in Myanmar or something. | ||
| And yeah, they use their legs like crazy. | ||
| And I think it helps you become a better fighter, I believe. | ||
| Oh, I would imagine. | ||
| You know what I mean? | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| The leg, just the dexterity and flexibility and range of motion these guys have. | ||
| I mean, they're almost like, it's like watching a ballerina slash kickboxer play soccer with their feet, but they're playing volleyball. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| And this is plastic, but usually it's made of a ratan. | ||
| Oh, okay. | ||
| You know, like some kind of bamboo, I think? | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| But at first, you know, it doesn't hurt. | ||
| Right. | ||
| But now I can enjoy it. | ||
| Like, this time I did a seminar, and I actually made them play a little bit. | ||
| It's just part of the culture, because it's cool. | ||
| Yeah, it's... | ||
| It's a pretty wild game. | ||
| And that's a very popular game over there? | ||
| Yeah, yeah. | ||
| Everywhere. | ||
| Usually when I'm walking with my wife and she's like, oh, not again. | ||
| I see a couple locals playing. | ||
| I just stop. | ||
| I drop everything. | ||
| I put my laundry up because I always wear my laundry. | ||
| And I start playing with them. | ||
| And they're all excited because, oh shit, they do some pictures. | ||
| So you're like a big celebrity over there? | ||
| When you walk down the street, do people recognize you? | ||
| Yeah, yeah. | ||
| Yeah, they love us there. | ||
| It's pretty cool. | ||
| But again, I really like them. | ||
| They're so kind. | ||
| Like, honestly, have you traveled in Asia a lot? | ||
| Yeah, Thailand. | ||
| And that's how I felt. | ||
| Everyone was so nice there. | ||
| Okay, well, but imagine like 40 years before that when they were untouched by tourism. | ||
| Uh-huh. | ||
| That's on Myanmar's. | ||
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Yeah, yeah, yeah. | |
| So they shake your hand like this. | ||
| Give me your hand. | ||
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Oh, wow. | |
| Look at this. | ||
| Yeah, that's my video. | ||
| I was in the forest. | ||
| And the guy in the red, he's sponsored by the country to play that. | ||
| Wow. | ||
| It's like, we're going to see that. | ||
| Yeah, he's good. | ||
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This is a wild fucking game. | |
| That's the laundry, you see? | ||
| I tied it up, but then you have to lift it up like this. | ||
| It's so cool that you have that video. | ||
| You lift it up, and then if you have your leg tats, then you show your ward tats, right? | ||
| Ah, I see. | ||
| So this is before you had leg tats, too. | ||
| Yeah, before. | ||
| I looked naked, almost. | ||
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Wow. | |
| Look at the head. | ||
| Yes, that's the only strike I can do in South Africa. | ||
| They play that all the time. | ||
| It seems like there's a steep learning curve to this game. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| Oh, yeah. | ||
| Headbutt right there. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| Pretty crazy game, man. | ||
| And you see the Tanaka on their skin? | ||
| Yes. | ||
| This is specific from Myanmar, and it's a root that they break up, and it's good for SPF, and it makes your skin better. | ||
| So it's... | ||
| And so they rub it on their face? | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| And they have such a soft skin. | ||
| It's crazy. | ||
| I think it helps. | ||
| It helps my skin, yeah. | ||
| But listen, David, thanks for coming by, man. | ||
| And let us know when June rolls around, when the fight is set, and you know how people can watch it. | ||
| Will it be on pay-per-view? | ||
| Yeah, I believe it's going to be on UFC Fight Pass. | ||
| I'm not sure for pay-per-view yet, but super excited. | ||
| But it will be on UFC Fight Pass. | ||
| Yeah, hopefully you can talk about it. | ||
| It's going to be... | ||
| Definitely will. | ||
| Pretty cool. | ||
| Historic debut. | ||
| Thanks for having me, Joe. | ||
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Thank you, brother. | |
| Thank you. | ||
| Appreciate it, man. | ||
| It was fun. | ||
| Really fun having you on. |
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