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Aug. 1, 2019 - The Joe Rogan Experience
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Joe Rogan Experience #1329 - Brian Moses
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joe rogan
Boom!
Brian Moses, you are one of the saviors of comedy.
I want you to know this.
Honestly, truly, really.
Because of Roast Battle?
Roast Battle is like one of the last real, like, sanctuaries for horrible comedy.
Like, nasty...
Evil, fucked up, but hilarious comedy.
And the way you do it, where you make everybody hug it out at the end, and you set the ground rules.
No violence.
This is just joke writing.
brian moses
This is all, this is just, words don't hurt us.
joe rogan
When I first came back to the Comedy Store, it was like, how many years ago it was now?
It's like five years ago or something like that.
brian moses
The exile was over.
joe rogan
And when I saw Roast Bottle, it was one of the things that made me go, whoa, this place is different now.
This place is changed.
It's evolved.
brian moses
We brought a fight culture back to it, you know what I mean?
joe rogan
Yeah.
brian moses
Where if you have a problem, we're in a place where all we use is words anyway, so duke it out that way.
joe rogan
Yeah.
Well, not just that.
There's people that don't have problems with each other, and they just fuck each other up on that stage.
There's people with devastated friendships.
brian moses
Yeah, they ruin friendships.
But nobody's ever attacked each other.
joe rogan
That's amazing.
Because I've been there a couple times.
I stopped going.
It makes me feel bad.
Does it?
brian moses
It's consensual.
Everybody's involved.
joe rogan
I'm the commentator for the UFC, and roast battle makes me feel bad.
brian moses
That's the combat sport you don't like.
joe rogan
Just stop and think about how crazy that is.
brian moses
That's nuts.
Why?
How is that possible?
joe rogan
Sometimes it's so mean.
Sometimes people say shit that's so mean.
You're like, yikes.
brian moses
I saw, there was a joke recently by, it was Jimmy Carr and Megan Gailey, and Jimmy was judging her, and she was battling a puppet.
That's how crazy this show gets.
So this girl's got like a half around Comedy Central.
She's brilliant.
And Jimmy said something snide to her and her response was, I wouldn't fuck you if you raped me.
And I was like, I can't believe I've never heard that before.
And his response to that was, oh, you can say funny things.
joe rogan
Oh, wow.
brian moses
It was gorgeous.
joe rogan
I wouldn't fuck you if you raped me.
I won't.
brian moses
Let's break that down.
unidentified
Yeah, I would have to be like this while that's like, hmm, I don't know if I'm going along with that one.
brian moses
False premise.
joe rogan
Yeah.
brian moses
I'm not going along with that one.
Why not?
joe rogan
I don't know.
I mean, you're not fucking someone if they rape you.
brian moses
No, no, it's not consensual, right?
You're not giving it back.
joe rogan
It doesn't make sense.
brian moses
All right.
joe rogan
I get it.
I get what she's doing.
I get what she's saying.
brian moses
It was just so hard, though.
I was like, damn, I wouldn't fuck you if you raped me.
unidentified
God.
brian moses
That's hard.
And a lady said that to a man.
And it took him a couple seconds to be like, I'm going to let this happen.
joe rogan
There was some senator somewhere, and they were talking about rape, and he actually said that a woman can't, unless she submits, a man can't actually rape her.
brian moses
Wait, what?
joe rogan
Yeah, yeah, yeah.
Unless she gives into it.
brian moses
Like she taps out?
Like, I'm giving it to you.
joe rogan
There was something along those lines.
It was almost like saying that she kind of wants it.
Wow.
Do you remember that?
Yeah, it was one of the most ridiculous...
jamie vernon
He says he misspoke, of course.
joe rogan
Oh, he misspoke.
Didn't they make Mario Lopez apologize?
brian moses
For what?
joe rogan
Because he said that babies shouldn't be trans.
And he said, my comments were ignorant and insensitive because I want to keep my job at E. Right, exactly.
That's all it is.
He should have added that.
He should have went dot dot dot because I want to keep my job at E. Because I want to keep my job.
brian moses
That's really all it is.
joe rogan
Three-year-old trans babies.
What the fuck?
Some Blair White, who's actually a trans woman, had a hilarious quote.
She goes, three-year-old trans kids are like vegan cats.
We know who's making the lifestyle choices.
brian moses
Oooh, message.
joe rogan
Boom!
And she's trans.
brian moses
Right.
joe rogan
Which is hilarious.
Well, she can say that.
She's free.
Free like a bird.
brian moses
I mean, what age?
joe rogan
It ain't three.
You should be in your twenties or something.
You should be in your...
brian moses
Like an adult.
joe rogan
A fucking adult.
brian moses
A full-grown adult, right?
jamie vernon
Three-year-olds.
joe rogan
What's the matter?
Camera cut off?
unidentified
What?
joe rogan
The fucking government!
They don't want us talking about trans babies!
Is it dead?
Did the camera die?
The cord died?
Oh, hi everybody.
Yeah, I mean, we live in the weirdest time in terms of progressive ideology.
brian moses
Right.
joe rogan
Dogma.
brian moses
Gender's a construct.
Race is a construct.
Trying to bring it all down.
joe rogan
But race is not a construct because no one's been successfully transracial.
brian moses
Oh, that's true.
joe rogan
Never been pulled off, even remotely.
Not even close.
unidentified
Eddie Murphy on SNL. Yeah, but you could go black to white.
joe rogan
Dave Chappelle used to do it all the time.
unidentified
Remember, he used to do the crazy wig.
brian moses
Yeah, that was pretty good, too.
joe rogan
You could do black to white.
Nobody cares.
You used to be able to do white to Asian.
You can't even do that anymore.
brian moses
So you can't go transracial.
joe rogan
You could probably go Asian to white.
brian moses
People really hold on to this race thing.
Why is that?
Why do we hold on to it?
joe rogan
I don't know.
I don't know.
brian moses
I mean, because I don't look at you as like, I don't even know what you are.
You're just a tank, you know what I mean?
joe rogan
I'm mostly Italian, Irish, 1% Asian, 1.6% African.
brian moses
See?
And I don't even have that.
I'm just, like, a nigga from America.
unidentified
You know what I mean?
brian moses
Like, I'm just American black.
joe rogan
Well, it's...
If you care that much, like, variety's interesting.
I like that people look cool.
Like, we were talking about Blake Griffin.
Like, it's interesting that there's a guy like him out there.
brian moses
Yeah.
joe rogan
Big old giant dude.
brian moses
Six foot ten, albino-looking.
He's probably got all kinds of shit inside of him.
joe rogan
All kinds of shit.
brian moses
Yeah.
joe rogan
But I mean, when you meet a guy like that, you're like, wow, that's a different type of person.
Look how big he is.
brian moses
Yeah.
joe rogan
Like Shaq.
When Shaq comes around UFC fighters, there's a photo of Shaq, and he was training at American Top Team with my friend Dean Thomas.
And Dean is like, I guess Dean's like 5'9", 5'10".
And he's standing next to Shaq, and Shaq is standing next to Junior Dos Santos.
He used to be the heavyweight champion.
He looks like his child.
Looks like Shaq's child, because he's so small.
brian moses
And Shaq's still like, what, seven foot?
Like he hasn't shrunk at all?
joe rogan
He's a legitimate, gigantic human being.
I mean, he's fucking huge.
I like the fact that there's people that are different.
It's cool.
It's interesting.
You know, the real problem is racism.
The real problem is not that there's variety.
The variety part's interesting.
brian moses
It's also like this new racism.
There's so much of the cancel culture and you can't say what you can't say.
That's not scary racism like it used to be, right?
I think people are more scared about the silent racism than that over-aggressive racism like the lynching in the 50s and 40s and before.
joe rogan
Well, we all know that that stuff happened less than 100 years ago, which is why it's scary.
When you see photographs, like those black and white photographs of the families standing around while there's a black guy hanging from a tree behind them like that.
That is not that long ago.
unidentified
No.
joe rogan
So that shit is still in the air down there.
brian moses
Yeah.
But now this new racism is like, you know, you can't talk about trans kids, you know?
joe rogan
Well, that's not racism, but yeah.
What that is is authoritarianism.
They're just trying to enforce a certain way of thinking and behaving, and they go hard on anybody who deviates.
Poor old Mario Lopez.
Poor old Mario Lopez.
Probably the nicest guy that's ever lived.
Doesn't have a fucking controversial bone in his body.
He's like, well, I don't think kids should be trans.
I mean, they're little babies.
And they're like, what?
You insensitive.
It's because they can go after him for something like that.
And he'll acquiesce.
He'll give in.
brian moses
That's almost like backing into that old segregative, I guess, Jim Crow thing.
Remember when, well, another black guy talking about Emmett Till.
But remember when Emmett Till gets killed, right?
It's because of, you know, he's doing a, he's saying, hey, you look kind of pretty.
Or he's like, he's doing a cat call to a lady, right?
And then this woman goes and tells these group of dudes.
And it's like, hey.
And they're just like, oh.
We've got to cancel Emmett Till.
You know what I mean?
So it's almost the same thing.
I'm not saying it's that aggressive and violent, but it's the same thing of you can't say anything.
You can't have a brain.
I guess there's, I want to say, a criminal thought now.
Even having a thought.
joe rogan
Right.
There's thought crime.
unidentified
Yeah.
joe rogan
Yeah, I mean, that's the Orwell shit, right?
brian moses
There you go.
joe rogan
This is what people are deeply concerned about.
It's authoritarian reinforcement of their own particular way of thinking and behaving and it's because people have the opportunity to complain now like if if you just didn't like the way someone addressed women or someone you really didn't have a way to broadcast it 20 years ago.
This is like you just but now anybody can just get on Twitter or Facebook.
And it can go viral, and a bunch of other fucking pink-haired weirdos will retweet you, and next thing you know, there's a goddamn mob after Mario Lopez.
brian moses
Right.
joe rogan
I mean, that's what happened.
It's interesting, though.
I mean, it's weird to watch it all take place, especially from our business, because comedy relies on taboos.
And in a lot of ways, they're reinforcing us.
They're helping us, because people come to us for relief.
brian moses
Yeah, thank you.
joe rogan
Yeah, right?
brian moses
Thank you, yeah.
Keep the PC culture going, honestly.
It's only making us more money.
It's making us more accessible.
joe rogan
The fucking comedy store has never been more packed.
unidentified
Oh, yeah.
brian moses
People are coming in.
They're looking to hear those things.
joe rogan
Oh, they're so happy when you go against the grain.
When you go hard in the paint, they go crazy.
brian moses
Love it.
joe rogan
They love it.
brian moses
Yeah, bring on OJ. Bring him back.
joe rogan
You see OJ's fucking Twitter?
Have you been paying attention to OJ's Twitter?
brian moses
No, I don't follow it, Joe.
I just think you can't follow OJ on Twitter.
That's crazy.
joe rogan
I follow him.
brian moses
Do you?
joe rogan
Fuck yeah.
brian moses
Why?
joe rogan
Because it's great.
unidentified
Oh.
joe rogan
Doug Stanhope and I, back in the day when we were hosting The Man Show, we had an idea for having O.J. Simpson.
At the end of every show, O.J. Simpson would be like Andy Rooney.
And he would break down the problems in America.
Here's what I think about things.
Hey, Twitter world.
And so that's what he's doing.
He's literally doing what Doug and I wanted him to do on The Man Show, but he's doing it all on his own.
Like, he was talking about the debates.
He goes, is it just me?
unidentified
Or does Tulsi and Andrew Yang, are they the only ones that are following the rules?
joe rogan
I'm just saying.
unidentified
Following the rules, OJ? Bring it back to the beginning.
joe rogan
Give me some volume.
unidentified
Hey, Twitter world.
brian moses
Hold on.
joe rogan
Go to the beginning so I can hear.
Hey, Twitter world.
That's my favorite part.
unidentified
Hey, Twitter world.
Is it my imagination that Yang and Gabbard are the only two who know how to follow the rules of this debate?
I'm just saying.
joe rogan
He's just saying.
Voice of reason.
brian moses
But wait, he can't even vote.
He's a convicted felon now, right?
joe rogan
Yeah.
brian moses
So yeah, OJ, why are you even involved?
You can't even vote.
joe rogan
Because he wants to know where everything's going.
I mean, he talks about the NFL draft.
He's got a lot of sports talk on his Twitter telling people they should get paid more and you need to draft this guy and bring this guy in and So OJ's a GM now, alright.
You know, there's like, you could have done some stuff.
Like, he could have embezzled some money and went to jail and got out or maybe didn't file taxes.
Like if Wesley Snipes, who went to jail for tax evasion, he started talking about politics, he wouldn't care.
unidentified
But you killed two people, OJ. Allegedly, he got offered that joke, come on.
joe rogan
You fucking killed two people.
I'm saying he killed him.
He killed two people.
brian moses
I just think it's wrong what happened to Ron Goldman.
Nobody even talks about him.
joe rogan
I know.
Nobody gives a fuck.
brian moses
Yeah.
joe rogan
They talk about the wife.
brian moses
Yeah, all the time.
They never talk about the other guy.
He was like 25 and...
joe rogan
Just a fucking waiter, man.
unidentified
Yeah.
joe rogan
Bringing someone's sunglasses back.
brian moses
He was side dick.
joe rogan
He was bringing the dick, right?
brian moses
Right place, wrong time.
joe rogan
Was he bringing the dick?
Has that been proven?
brian moses
They were sleeping together, right?
That's what it was...
joe rogan
Is that true?
brian moses
I mean, that's also a rumor.
Allegedly.
We don't even know.
We can't even ask him.
joe rogan
Yeah.
I have no idea.
I'm trying to find the killers.
brian moses
Ron Goldman deserves like a holiday.
joe rogan
He does.
brian moses
He really does.
Ron Goldman day today on Brian Moses' Joe Rogan episode.
joe rogan
I knew his sister back in the day.
brian moses
Really?
joe rogan
Yeah, yeah, yeah.
She used to come around the set of news radio.
I knew her from back then.
She was very nice.
It was devastating, though.
It was like knowing someone whose brother was murdered and, you know, you're hanging out with her, it's like always in the air, you know?
It's always in the air.
brian moses
Yeah, that's like a...
joe rogan
She had like a pin with her brother's face on it.
brian moses
I should bring you some, like, black barbecues.
There's a lot of sisters there who, you know, brothers got murdered.
joe rogan
But the difference is it's ultra, ultra public.
I mean, this was pre-internet, right?
brian moses
Yeah.
That was the biggest thing to date.
joe rogan
Oh, my God.
I was watching the verdict with my girlfriend at the time.
We're sitting in front of the TV, and I'll never forget, when they said not guilty, my girlfriend put her hand on her face.
I'm like, oh, no.
unidentified
No.
brian moses
That's crazy.
joe rogan
She couldn't believe it.
No.
brian moses
Because I remember being like, I was like, it was either elementary school or middle school, and I remember the verdict happening, and it was like a split verdict.
My teacher, who was white, she was like devastated, and like all the black kids, it was like me and another kid.
We were so happy.
We were just like, yes, because we didn't know any better.
You know what I mean?
We're just like, we're just happy because a black guy got up because of what happened to Rodney King.
We're just like, this is redemption.
joe rogan
That's how many people felt about it.
They felt like...
The Rodney King thing was so fucked up that, I mean, the problem with the Rodney King thing is you only see the end.
Apparently he led them on a crazy high-speed chase, and there was fights, and he was a big fellow, and he was on PCP, so he was swinging for the fences.
And so they had to beat him down, apparently, according to the cops.
But then, you know...
brian moses
Well, PCP makes your bones stronger, doesn't it?
joe rogan
No, it makes you really impervious to pain, though.
brian moses
Okay.
joe rogan
I had a friend who got his finger bitten off when he was on PCP. And he didn't feel it?
brian moses
Until he woke up?
joe rogan
I don't think he remembers, because he was so fucked up, but he was a boxer, and he had his toe removed, and Not his pinky toe, not his fat toe, the big toe, but the one next to it, and put it where his index finger was, on his right hand.
brian moses
They moved his toe to his finger.
joe rogan
They moved his toe to his finger and curved it permanently so he could throw right hooks.
brian moses
Oh, isn't that a performance enhancing?
joe rogan
No.
No, not at all.
But when he'd shake your hand, he would give you the little finger.
Because they don't make it so it can bend again.
It was just bent like this forever.
So if he was punching you, that was the only way.
So when he opened it, it would stay curled.
unidentified
Damn.
joe rogan
Yeah.
He's a hard man.
And he was doing PCP. He was doing PCP at the time.
brian moses
You guys were hanging out?
joe rogan
He was my boxing coach.
He was a madman.
brian moses
Yeah.
joe rogan
Legit madman.
brian moses
I mean, wouldn't that be performance enhancing, taking PCP while being in a fight because you could just get the shit beat out of you?
joe rogan
Yeah, yeah, yeah, for sure.
But you'd be too aggressive.
It's not going to make you a better fighter.
You wouldn't want your opponent to be on PCP because they would have no fear.
They would just come charging at you and they might be able to just fuck you up just because of that if you panicked.
But if you were a seasoned fighter and a guy was on PCP, he would just come charging recklessly.
He'd just crack him as he's coming in and keep moving.
It's like the LAPD. Eventually his body would wear out.
Your body could only go for so long.
brian moses
Yeah, until it becomes mush.
joe rogan
There's a lot of people that believe in themselves and they get flatlined.
brian moses
Yeah.
joe rogan
You know, they 100% believe in themselves.
You gotta fucking believe in it, bro.
If you believe, you can achieve.
Not really.
You know, if you believe in yourself, if Francis Ngannou punches you in the face, you're going into the spirit world.
brian moses
Yeah, or like, ACO's beat you down for like eight minutes, yeah.
Yeah, with clubs.
With clubs, yeah, like metal clubs.
joe rogan
Face you and club you.
brian moses
Yeah.
joe rogan
Was that pre-tasers?
Did they not have tasers back then?
brian moses
So that was after the choke, because you couldn't choke guys out anymore.
So that's why they said they beat him down because they couldn't choke him out.
joe rogan
Really?
brian moses
Yeah.
joe rogan
They couldn't choke him out?
brian moses
Oh, that's right.
joe rogan
They put a ban on chokeholds.
brian moses
Yeah.
joe rogan
Why'd they do that?
brian moses
Because they were killing guys.
joe rogan
Oh.
brian moses
They were saying guys were on PCP when they weren't on PCP and they were like literally killing dudes.
joe rogan
Were they killing them with their arms or were they using a nightclub?
Like a nightstick?
brian moses
One guy killed with a stick, I think.
joe rogan
Yeah, the stick makes sense.
brian moses
And the second case was a guy who actually choked a guy.
joe rogan
Just with a rear naked choke.
brian moses
He killed him?
joe rogan
No.
I know a dude who killed a guy with a choke.
brian moses
In the ring?
joe rogan
No.
Killed him in a gym.
He was banging this guy's wife.
brian moses
Oh, he really went for him.
joe rogan
Yeah, it was crazy.
He was banging the guy's wife and he invited the guy to his school and then choked him to death and killed him and then was driving the guy's car around town.
brian moses
Dude, that's cold-blooded.
joe rogan
And then they arrested him.
Yeah, he was an interesting character.
He was a fake Brazilian jiu-jitsu black belt.
My friend Eddie Bravo called him out.
brian moses
Wait a minute.
Fake?
unidentified
Yeah, yeah, yeah.
joe rogan
He was fake.
He was a fake black belt.
brian moses
Okay.
joe rogan
He was telling everybody he was a black belt.
And Eddie rolled with him.
And I remember him coming back to me and he's like, that guy's not a black belt.
I go, what, you sure?
And he goes, dude, he don't know anything.
Like, it was too crazy.
It was like barely, it was like a white belt.
brian moses
You can get killed doing shit like that.
joe rogan
I thought maybe he was doing it because he was, maybe he was just being nice and wasn't going hard.
And he goes, but then as time goes on, I was like, this guy doesn't know what the fuck he's doing.
And so then he calls him up and he was like, hey, are you a fucking black belt?
The guy's like, well, you know, I'm a black belt in Japanese jiu-jitsu.
He goes, stop, stop, stop, stop.
Are you a fucking black belt?
And there's like this big pause.
He's like, bro, you're a fucking liar.
You're a liar.
So Eddie separated himself from the guy.
And then...
Years later, the dude wound up murdering somebody.
brian moses
What?
joe rogan
Yeah, yeah.
brian moses
With jiu-jitsu?
joe rogan
Yeah, he murdered a guy with jiu-jitsu.
brian moses
He knew something.
joe rogan
He strangled the guy.
Well, you know, I could teach you how to put a choke in five seconds.
brian moses
Yeah?
joe rogan
It wouldn't take long at all.
Yeah, I could teach you how to do it.
Just wrap your forearm underneath someone's neck.
Clamp your hand to your bicep, put this arm behind the head, squeeze.
You could kill somebody.
It's not a hard thing to learn, but to actually apply it to someone who knows what they're doing, you'd have to be really good.
No one's going to let you choke them, but this guy didn't know anything.
So I think he snuck up behind this guy who he killed and just choked him.
Choked him to death.
brian moses
Sounds like the OJ murder.
joe rogan
I think he brought the guy to his school under false premises.
He's in jail now.
brian moses
Oh, shit.
unidentified
All right.
joe rogan
Yeah.
brian moses
Shout out to that guy.
joe rogan
Yeah.
It was weird because I got semi-involved in it in that the guy who wound up ratting him out to the cops was one of Eddie's students.
And I was talking to the guy on the phone about it.
I was like, what's going on with that guy?
And then the cops called me afterwards and said, hey, we were tapping that guy's phone.
We want to know what you know.
brian moses
Whoa!
joe rogan
I'm on the fucking set of Fear Factor.
I'm in my trailer.
brian moses
Jesus.
joe rogan
Yeah.
Putting my microphone on.
I'm like, huh?
brian moses
You were in a murder case all of a sudden.
joe rogan
I'm like, hey, listen.
I don't know that guy.
I go, this is what I know.
He's a fake black belt.
I told him the whole deal.
And I had heard that he killed somebody.
But I wasn't sure if it was true because the guy's so full of shit.
This is how foolish it this guy was.
This guy had a friend drop him off in the woods because he said he was going to a kumite karate contest, like a big karate competition.
But it was no rules and it was secretive.
So he dropped him off in the woods.
brian moses
Where was this guy from?
joe rogan
I don't know.
I don't know.
But he lived in California for a while.
brian moses
Okay.
joe rogan
He dropped him off in the woods with a duffel bag.
brian moses
Yeah.
joe rogan
He gave him a duffel bag.
He had a duffel bag with him, rather.
And it's like a duffel bag that's just big enough to fit a trophy in it.
brian moses
Yeah.
joe rogan
Right?
Like about this big?
So he leaves, goes out into the woods.
The guy comes back the next day.
He's got a trophy.
No duffel bag.
So he brought a fucking trophy with him, and then he came out of the woods like, yeah, I won.
I fucked everybody up.
And so he thought this guy would tell everybody that he beat everybody in this karate tournament.
brian moses
This guy's a hell of an actor.
He really commits.
joe rogan
He was one of those guys that snuck through my crazy radar.
Because he's a friend of a friend, so I assumed...
Fucking 30 years old.
I don't know any better.
I was dumb.
And I was like, I assumed.
brian moses
30?
30, yeah.
Aren't you fully cooked by then?
joe rogan
Nah, you think you are.
You think you are.
You haven't met enough murderers yet.
brian moses
Shit.
joe rogan
You have to meet enough really legitimate crazy people to have them in the database where you're like, oh, you're fucking, you're a sociopath.
unidentified
Oh.
brian moses
Well, what's worse, a psycho or a sociopath?
joe rogan
A sociopath is someone who doesn't care about someone.
A psychopath, I think, is someone who violently attacks people.
But in many ways, they're interchangeable.
Let's Google that.
What is the difference between a sociopath and a psychopath?
Because I think...
A sociopath can have no violent tendencies, but I think the idea is that they have no compassion for other people.
brian moses
Right.
joe rogan
Like, I have a friend, and she thinks her sister's a sociopath.
brian moses
Everybody thinks everybody's a fucking sociopath these days.
That's the hot word these days.
joe rogan
It's like calling somebody a racist or calling someone a Nazi.
brian moses
Exactly, yeah.
jamie vernon
The quick thing I pulled up...
joe rogan
Well, put it up.
jamie vernon
Yeah, you explained exactly what it said, but there's just like a Venn diagram that's a better explanation.
brian moses
By the way, every woman who's going to hear this is going to be like, he is a sociopath!
joe rogan
So there's something in the middle.
It could be both.
So genetically predisposed.
A psychopath genetically predisposed.
brian moses
My parents would have to be psychopaths.
joe rogan
What is happening with the screen there, buddy?
jamie vernon
Better than a purpose.
You should connect again.
Maybe not.
Maybe it's dead.
There it goes.
joe rogan
Oh, even better.
Okay.
Lacks empathy.
A psychopath.
Genetically predisposed.
Lacks empathy and guilt.
Convincing behavior.
Look how they spell behavior.
brian moses
Oh, it's conniving.
Conniving behavior.
joe rogan
But look how they spell behavior.
brian moses
Oh, yeah.
unidentified
With the I-O-U-R. Higher job success.
joe rogan
What?
Okay.
Antisocial personality disorders, conformed social relationships, and treatable.
That's the one in the middle.
brian moses
Okay, so they're both treatable.
joe rogan
Sociopath, environmentally influenced, feel empathy and guilt, erratic behavior, struggles to find and keep jobs.
Wait a minute.
I thought sociopath didn't feel empathy.
brian moses
See?
joe rogan
I don't think this is right.
I think this is some British definition.
unidentified
Like, the psychopath doesn't care, but like it's the same.
joe rogan
Hmm.
What, the sociopath does care?
A sociopath would feel no guilt about hurting a stranger.
So how is that...
jamie vernon
It's not saying the same thing.
joe rogan
But it's not saying the same thing.
unidentified
Right.
joe rogan
It says they feel empathy.
When you look at that chart, it says sociopaths feel empathy.
Whatever.
It's close.
We kind of get it.
Sure.
brian moses
I feel like a lot of stand-up comics, as much as they're narcissistic, they might also be sociopaths.
joe rogan
I think a lot of people, they get to a point in their career where they're trying so hard to be successful that it becomes all about them.
Right.
Like, it becomes...
Such an obsession and the narcissism is so strong that all they really care about is their own good and their own success.
brian moses
Right.
joe rogan
And they'll fuck people over.
That's a fact.
brian moses
I mean, yeah.
I've seen it.
joe rogan
Yeah.
It's kind of sociopathic.
brian moses
Yeah.
joe rogan
Have you lived it?
brian moses
Lived it a little bit.
A little bit?
joe rogan
You want to talk?
You want to talk about it or you want to keep it on?
brian moses
We should keep it on the hush.
We can't break it on this one.
We'll come back for that one.
joe rogan
We'll do that when the camera stops rolling.
We've all had those experiences.
You know when you find it?
You find it when you start getting a little bit of success.
brian moses
And it's not even much.
It could be anything.
joe rogan
You get a development deal.
And all of a sudden people are like...
There's people that equate good things happening to other people as bad things happening to them.
brian moses
And that's the narcissism.
That's that, yeah.
joe rogan
Extreme.
brian moses
Egomania, right.
joe rogan
Extreme, extreme narcissism.
And obviously, you have to be, this has to be something wrong with you most of the time, not 100% of the time, but most of the time, to want to be a comedian.
brian moses
Right, absolutely.
joe rogan
Something's got to be wrong.
brian moses
Yeah, because this is like your ego gets kicked in the dick every day, you know, especially in this town.
So just taking that every day, you have to have something a little wrong with you.
joe rogan
Yeah, yeah.
And no better way to see it than the goddamn open mic nights.
unidentified
Bruh.
joe rogan
I can't go anymore.
I used to be able to go and just watch, but now it's so fucking crazy.
It's just, I can't.
brian moses
Especially the comedy store, because now there's a crowd now.
I mean, back when, I mean, I remember when I was coming up, there was no crowd.
It was just your peers.
joe rogan
Open mic nights are packed.
brian moses
Yeah.
unidentified
Packed.
brian moses
Yeah, like with a real audience.
joe rogan
Yes.
brian moses
Yeah, like that's...
You guys are stealing.
joe rogan
There's people that are fans of comedy now that want to see the process.
brian moses
Really?
unidentified
Yeah.
brian moses
Is that what that is?
joe rogan
Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.
Yeah, there's a lot of...
Podcasts.
brian moses
Oh, that makes sense.
joe rogan
We started talking about it on podcasts, and next thing you know, I think, over the last six, seven years, you start to see people that are like, I want to know what it's like.
Because they love going to see headliners.
If you love going to see the fully finished product, you want to see what it's like.
It's almost like going to watch an amateur's fight.
Like, I'll keep an eye on him.
Maybe one day he'll be the champ.
brian moses
I hear that, but then it's also, I mean, there's that, but I feel like spiting, yeah, you can kind of see somebody's style here and there, but with comedy, you see everybody's style.
You're going to see a young guy who's probably doing a Dave Chappelle type of thing, and a guy who's doing a Jim Gaffigan type of thing, a Joe Rogan kind of thing, a Mitch Hedberg kind of thing.
So that's just what an open mic is.
You're going to see a bunch of copycats until they figure it out.
You can't just do that.
joe rogan
But what's cool about it is, you go from that...
And then you can go into the other room, like, you can go into the main room, and there'll be a real show going on.
brian moses
Right, Kill Tony.
joe rogan
Yeah, so you could see both on the same day.
Like, you really can.
You could go see a real comic.
brian moses
Yeah.
joe rogan
You could see an open mic night, and then at the end of the open mic night, like, Chappelle shows up at Pop-Up all the time.
brian moses
Right, Dice Clay.
joe rogan
Yeah, all the time.
So you literally watch these amateurs, and then boom, like a world-renowned movie.
Professional shows up.
brian moses
You're like, oh, that's the finished product.
We get it now.
But they're never going to be.
I mean, that's crazy.
That's the guy.
joe rogan
But somebody used to be...
I mean, Chappelle was an open-miker.
We all were open-mikers.
brian moses
When did you start?
joe rogan
1988. I was 21. 21, okay.
brian moses
He was like, what, 14 when he started?
joe rogan
He was a baby.
brian moses
How did you even get in?
joe rogan
I think they let him in.
I didn't know you could get in.
I thought you had to be 21 because it was a bar.
But it turns out there's a law where you can be...
I think in Massachusetts, you could be 18 with like a note to perform at a nightclub.
They just had to make sure that they didn't serve you alcohol.
When I met Dave, I think Dave is like four or five years younger than me.
And I was 23 or something like that.
He was a baby.
brian moses
17 probably?
Yeah.
joe rogan
Yeah, I met him at the Catch Rising Star.
Catch Rising Star in Boston.
Or not in Boston, in New York.
brian moses
Yeah.
joe rogan
Yeah.
brian moses
Was he already passing all the clubs by that point?
joe rogan
Um, he must have been.
He must have been.
He was on stage, and they were already talking about him.
Like, look at this young kid.
Like, he's so talented.
brian moses
I remember Silverman, Sarah, she was telling me, she was like, I remember when Chappelle got Mel Brooks' one of his last films, The Men in Tights.
And it was like a big talk in New York.
It was just like, hey, that 19-year-old kid just got a Mel Brooks deal.
joe rogan
Wow.
The world was a different place back then.
Yeah.
brian moses
Isaac Hayes was alive.
joe rogan
Yeah.
Yeah, that's true.
brian moses
Yeah.
So it was a different time.
Yeah.
You guys were scared of AIDS. This is the 90s, right?
So yeah, so AIDS was big.
You couldn't really fuck anybody.
joe rogan
Dude, the first time I got an AIDS test, I was so nervous.
brian moses
Really?
joe rogan
Oh, yeah.
It just was a slideshow.
Every bad decision I never made.
Every time I never wore a condom, it was just going through my hand.
Because everybody was convinced.
It was funny because at the same time, Kinnison had a bit.
unidentified
Mm-hmm.
joe rogan
Where he goes, like, they say, Sam!
They say AIDS is a communicable disease.
Straight people can get it too.
He goes, name one!
Name one fucking guy!
Fuck you, it's not our dance!
And people were so...
brian moses
Did anybody you know?
joe rogan
People were so mad.
Well, nobody I know.
But I was just, you know, when it happened, I remember in my car, I was living in Boston, in my car driving, and I was listening to the radio, and Magic Johnson had a press conference to announce that he had HIV. And it was like a scene in a zombie movie where the first person got bitten.
I was like, oh my god.
unidentified
Yeah.
joe rogan
It's happening.
Holy shit.
I'm like, Magic Johnson with all his money?
That guy's got HIV? Yeah.
Oh my god, we're fucked.
We're fucked.
I remember thinking that.
And then it was probably like a year or two later, I got an AIDS test.
brian moses
After Magic got it two years later.
joe rogan
I didn't have any money.
I didn't have health insurance.
brian moses
I forgot.
They cost money back then.
joe rogan
Oh, yeah.
Yeah.
brian moses
Now they're just free.
joe rogan
Yeah.
Well, now they want people to not get AIDS. Or people just get AIDS sometimes just to get the free health care.
Really?
brian moses
Yeah.
I mean, this is a rumor on the street I've heard in the gay community, because I live in the gay community.
Not that I am, but I'm saying I live there because it's clean and it's nice.
joe rogan
But nothing's anything wrong with gay people, right?
brian moses
Exactly.
There's nothing wrong.
joe rogan
Right.
brian moses
Anyway.
joe rogan
You live in a gay neighborhood because it's safe.
brian moses
It's safe.
Oh my God, is it safe?
Yeah.
I just have to worry about, you know, anyway.
joe rogan
You drop your keys when you're naked.
brian moses
I don't go outside naked anymore, Joe.
But yeah, they say like, yeah, some guys will just get it just to get the free healthcare.
joe rogan
This before Obamacare There's a thing called bug chasers.
unidentified
Mm-hmm.
brian moses
Do you know what that is?
joe rogan
Mm-hmm It was gay dudes that for whatever reason look a lot of people are self-loathing, right?
There's people cut themselves people to tattoo their face.
They hate themselves for whatever reason and they punish themselves Well, there was a little hates himself tattooing his face.
There's got to be something wrong Mike Tyson Mike Tyson.
Yeah, I think he had some issues.
Yeah.
brian moses
He's my favorite, by the way.
joe rogan
Love him.
brian moses
He is my spirit animal.
I fucking love Mike Tyson.
joe rogan
I got Tyson weed over there if you want to smoke some.
brian moses
Do you really?
joe rogan
Yeah.
Do you smoke weed?
brian moses
Yeah, I smoke weed.
joe rogan
How often?
brian moses
Every day.
joe rogan
Every day?
You want to smoke some right now?
brian moses
Yeah, I smoke some right now.
joe rogan
Smoke some Tyson weed.
unidentified
Hold, please.
brian moses
Mom, sorry.
joe rogan
Hold, please.
jamie vernon
Breaking out the good stuff.
brian moses
That's going to knock me out.
Let's do it.
Mike Tyson, holler at me, please.
jamie vernon
Some Tyson Ranch.
Original stuff, I think.
brian moses
In California City.
Dude, I grew up out.
That's where the earthquakes are.
jamie vernon
Oh, shit.
brian moses
Oh, yeah.
jamie vernon
I think they're launching it soon.
The Ranch.
brian moses
The Ranch.
Oh, shit.
joe rogan
He brought us a golden box.
Look at that box back there.
It's amazing.
brian moses
Who made that?
That wasn't...
Yeah.
Whoever knows Mike.
What was he on?
What episode was that?
Two, three?
joe rogan
It was a few months back.
brian moses
Oh, shit.
It's the bamboo.
unidentified
Look at that.
joe rogan
Can't believe we never smoked weed before.
Did we ever?
brian moses
No, we haven't together.
joe rogan
Never?
Ever?
brian moses
We've had a drink together.
We haven't smoked together.
joe rogan
That's outrageous.
unidentified
Outrageous.
joe rogan
But anyway, there was bug chasers.
Bug chasers were dudes that, for whatever reason, for whatever reason, they wanted to catch HIV. They wanted to what?
They wanted to.
They'd call them bug chasers.
They would literally go out and try to get it.
brian moses
Why?
joe rogan
I mean, they hated themselves.
They wanted to die.
brian moses
Oh, this is a real thing.
unidentified
Yeah.
brian moses
Okay, this is like black kids would be like the death by cop thing.
joe rogan
Yes, yes, yeah.
Not just black kids.
You see that video recently of the guy who's running towards the cop with a knife and he's fucking screaming and yelling and he's like, don't make me shoot you, don't make me shoot you.
brian moses
He just wanted to die.
joe rogan
The cop just starts unloading on the guy.
Suicide by cop is super, super common.
brian moses
I did not know that, yeah.
I thought it was just a hood thing.
joe rogan
No, it's a real common thing.
But bug chasers were, I mean, maybe it's still a thing, but now AIDS is relatively...
brian moses
Dude, AIDS is the apple of diseases.
It's the Oprah diseases.
I mean, honestly, it's like, when Magic Johnson got it, AIDS was like, our stock's about to go up like fucking Disney.
I mean, because you think about it, Crack and AIDS kind of came in at the same time, and Crack was killing it, and all of a sudden, now AIDS is like, you get AIDS, it's like you've...
joe rogan
It's not that big of a deal.
brian moses
That's a hit track, yeah.
joe rogan
Yeah, like, look at fucking Charlie Sheen.
He looks great.
brian moses
Looks great.
Dude, Jeff at the Comedy Store.
joe rogan
Yeah, Jeff at the Comedy Store has had it forever.
brian moses
Yeah, he had it, like, yeah, back when it wasn't cool, before it was cool, you know?
Still got it.
joe rogan
He looks great.
brian moses
Looks great, still got it.
joe rogan
But it's HIV. It's not AIDS. Right, right.
brian moses
It's not full-blown.
That's the difference.
But nobody gets full-blown.
joe rogan
Some people do.
brian moses
Really?
joe rogan
Yeah.
brian moses
You can live with full-blown?
joe rogan
I don't know why they get it.
Maybe some people don't react to the medication.
Maybe some people don't get treated.
brian moses
Full blown.
You can live a full blown.
I didn't know that.
joe rogan
I don't think you live very long.
brian moses
Right.
joe rogan
Because you can live with HIV. Yes.
Well, now they can get it to the point where your HIV... By the way, if you're a doctor and you listen to this, we're sorry.
I know we're...
unidentified
You're like, you guys don't know jack shit.
joe rogan
You have no idea what you guys are talking about.
But if you...
Here it goes.
Death usually occurs within six months to three years from the time of developing full-blown AIDS. People living with AIDS. Is there any other disease that has full-blown next to it?
It's only AIDS, right?
brian moses
It's like a rap name.
joe rogan
You get full-blown flu.
unidentified
Full-blown AIDS. And that's the scientific term, by the way.
joe rogan
That's so blown out.
That's so slang.
Full-blown AIDS. Put that back up so I can read it again.
jamie vernon
Sorry, that's okay.
I was looking for other things with full-blown in it.
joe rogan
No, there's nothing else with full-blown in it.
People living with AIDS go through periods of being sick, alternating with periods of reasonable health.
It's usually one of the many opportunistic infections that eventually cause death.
So yeah, your immune system smashed.
jamie vernon
Yeah.
joe rogan
And that causes death.
unidentified
Oof.
brian moses
Full-blown.
joe rogan
Alright.
Yeah, full-blown.
brian moses
Shut up, HIV. HIV's like, what, like 38 now?
joe rogan
Yeah, HIV's been around for a minute.
brian moses
Happy birthday.
joe rogan
Now it's the point where you can be undetectable.
Like, Magic Johnson's apparently undetectable.
Even through AIDS tests, like when you test him for HIV, he shows HIV negative.
brian moses
Really?
joe rogan
Yeah.
But they say it's still dormant in the system somehow or another.
It's very confusing.
brian moses
So it's like herpes almost not for him.
Like it flares every once in a while.
joe rogan
No, because I think if you have herpes, even if you don't have an outbreak, if they test you, it'll show that you have herpes.
brian moses
Oh, but with HIV, no.
joe rogan
Yeah, with the way they have the medication, the way the body responds to the medication now, at least in some cases, like Magic Johnson's apparently, He shows up HIV negative.
But the weird thing is like, well, isn't he cured then?
Is that cured?
brian moses
They've only cured two people, and he's not one of them.
joe rogan
So when they have started curing people, which I was like, okay, well, how do they differentiate?
Like, what's the difference between curing someone and what's going on with Magic Johnson when he's HIV negative?
If you're anything else negative, they figure they cured you.
brian moses
Yeah, they haven't actually, yeah, they haven't, they haven't deemed him, he's done with that, like you've, you've cured it.
joe rogan
Like if you get tested for chicken pox, and it comes up negative, they've cured you of chicken pox, right?
brian moses
Polio, negative, polio negative.
joe rogan
One guy, meet the only person to be cured of HIV. There's one more guy now.
brian moses
There's one more guy now.
joe rogan
So what happened to this guy?
jamie vernon
He had stem cell treatment is what fixed it.
brian moses
See?
jamie vernon
I thought I just read something about that.
brian moses
They're holding good stuff from us, yeah.
They just cured another guy, I want to say, a few months back.
It was this year they did it.
joe rogan
Well, there was something that I posted on my Twitter feed that apparently is an older story.
It's from like two years ago.
And it was kind of from like a clickbaity type site that has cool headlines.
But it was about how a guy was paralyzed.
And he's got regaining use of his legs because of stem cells.
brian moses
Really?
joe rogan
Yeah, I don't know enough about it.
Look, if that's true, that'd be fucking incredible.
brian moses
Yeah.
joe rogan
I don't know.
brian moses
And don't hold that from people.
joe rogan
I don't know enough about how severe the injury was.
I do know that some people get temporarily paralyzed by certain injuries.
I knew a dude who got slammed on his head and his whole body went numb and he couldn't move his body.
He was like, oh my god, I'm paralyzed.
unidentified
This is it.
This is it.
joe rogan
This is how I'm living from now on.
I can't move my body.
But then his body slowly started coming back, and he just got jolted because he was wrestling.
brian moses
It's like a stinger.
joe rogan
Yeah, he was wrestling.
Landed on his head.
Scary fucking shit, man.
Yeah, I mean paralyzed and full-blown AIDS. Yeah, so I don't know if they really can bring someone back from that, but man, if they can, holy shit.
brian moses
That's a great question, by the way, because they do say if he's HIV negative, they wouldn't say he's cured of it.
joe rogan
Right.
brian moses
So then, evidently, it does show up in some tests somewhere.
joe rogan
Again, scientists.
unidentified
Sorry.
joe rogan
We're sorry.
brian moses
Also, how is he the only NBA player in history to have HIV? Right.
joe rogan
Do you remember Keenan Ivory Wayne's bit about him?
brian moses
No.
joe rogan
Not Keenan.
I'm sorry.
Damon.
Damon Wayne's bit about him.
Damon, who I sing his praises often on this podcast.
He's like the most underrated comedian of all time.
brian moses
I hear that often, by the way.
joe rogan
The greats.
One of the greats.
But he had a bit about nobody wanted to cover Magic Johnson except for Dennis Rodman.
And Dennis Rodman was like, I fuck Madonna.
I'll spit in your mouth and accelerate your symptoms.
Damn!
Dude, it was one of those jokes where you hear it, you can't fucking believe he said it, and you are on the floor slapping the ground.
You're like, no, no, no.
He was a monster.
brian moses
He's still a monster, by the way.
I remember featuring for him a year or two ago.
Years ago, actually.
joe rogan
Underrated.
People forgot.
It's like that Roy Jones Jr. song.
Y'all must have forgot.
brian moses
He should put a special out, though.
Maybe that's what it is.
joe rogan
Fuck yeah, he should put a special out.
brian moses
And all his sitcoms are pretty great, too.
joe rogan
He took a long time doing that TV show.
That's what it was.
People associated him with that television show, which was very family-friendly.
Good for him.
Made a lot of money, I'm sure.
brian moses
Did you ever guest star?
Is that what you're mad about?
joe rogan
No, I'm not mad about anything.
I love that guy.
I love his brother, too.
Kenan's cool as shit.
Kenan's the nicest guy ever.
I know them, too, but I don't know them as well.
Kenan's super cool.
He's always been a real down-earth guy, too.
brian moses
I mean, they have comedy bones, like all of those guys.
I mean, I work with Marlon, and he is so funny.
joe rogan
He's hilarious.
But the whole family.
I mean, imagine a family that has that much stand-up in him.
I mean, that's bananas.
brian moses
I mean, the Rock family, too.
joe rogan
Yes, yes.
brian moses
Jordan, Tony, and obviously Chris.
joe rogan
Yeah.
Dude, Tony's another one.
unidentified
Yeah.
joe rogan
Goddamn that dude's funny.
Yeah?
Goddamn he's funny.
brian moses
I've never seen him live, but he's...
Bro.
I only get to when I look like him.
joe rogan
Bro.
He's one of those guys that, because he's Chris Rock's brother, people almost look past him.
You know, like, oh, you're Chris Rock's brother.
brian moses
Right, right, right.
joe rogan
You're the other Rock.
Like, dude, forget all that.
That guy's a murderer.
brian moses
Yeah.
joe rogan
He fucking kills.
He's really good.
He's just funny, man.
He's just, and he's, it's like sharp, good writing, you know, good solid punchlines.
Boom, boom, boom.
His pacing.
He's like a legit killer.
He's a legit killer.
Dude, the last time I saw him, he was in the main room in the Comedy Store, and I walked into the back because there was roars.
brian moses
And it was Tony Rock.
joe rogan
And Tony Rock was murdering.
I mean murdering.
Damn, you could hear it in the hallway, that hallway roar when someone just really hits a high note.
I walked in like, damn!
brian moses
No, dude.
Everybody's always talking about Tony Rock in the community.
I mean, he's a monster.
joe rogan
He's a monster.
brian moses
I gotta check him out.
joe rogan
He would be so much more famous if he wasn't Chris Rock's brother.
brian moses
Really?
You believe that?
joe rogan
Yeah, 100%.
He's a fucking top ten murderer.
I think that it's one of those things where if your brother is one of the greatest comics of all time, not just a great comic.
brian moses
Right.
joe rogan
Your brother's Chris Rock.
unidentified
Yeah, yeah.
I mean, come on.
brian moses
He's got niggas versus black people.
unidentified
Fuck!
brian moses
And everybody knows that bit.
joe rogan
Everybody knows that bit.
He's one of the greatest of all time.
If that's your brother, Oh, people don't want to pay attention to you.
You know, it's a weird thing, man.
They're just like, hey, yeah, yeah, can you get me your brother's number?
You know what I mean?
brian moses
It's the gift and the curse, though, yeah.
But I'm Tony Rock, and I kill, too.
I probably kill, you know.
joe rogan
Charlie used to have a bit about it.
Charlie used to have a bit.
He goes, they said, Charlie, do you get mad at people yelling out Charlie Murphy?
You know, because everybody's like, Charlie Murphy!
That was like a thing people would do with him if you were hanging out with Charlie.
He goes, no, I'm just glad they're not calling me Eddie Murphy's brother anymore.
unidentified
Yeah.
brian moses
Imagine how Ray J feels.
joe rogan
Yeah, man.
brian moses
Brandy's brother.
joe rogan
Yeah.
brian moses
You never saw the tape.
joe rogan
I did.
brian moses
Did you?
joe rogan
Yeah.
brian moses
You saw the tape.
joe rogan
Yeah, everybody had to see that.
unidentified
Yeah, it was much watch TV. Yeah, it's super important.
brian moses
It is in pop culture, you're right.
joe rogan
You're a star.
unidentified
Yeah.
joe rogan
It's gotta be weird, man, to have someone like that that's a brother, that's a person who's like, like if you're Mike Tyson's brother, you know, real good heavyweight boxer.
brian moses
Tony Tyson?
joe rogan
Yeah, but you're Mike Tyson's brother.
brian moses
Yeah, and you can't, yeah.
Like, I get knockouts too!
Like, eh, but you're not like Mike, bro.
joe rogan
Yeah, you're just judged at a totally different standard.
But I don't think that's the case with the Wayans Brothers.
The Wayans Brothers is generally accepted that they're all really talented.
brian moses
Yeah, they're all really good.
joe rogan
They're all super successful.
Yeah.
brian moses
Kim, too.
Yeah, all of them.
Now you have Shantae, Damien, all those guys.
joe rogan
Crazy comedy family.
brian moses
Craig, yeah.
It's in their DNA. Predisposed to being funny.
joe rogan
Well, it's also like, that's the family business, which is, you know, some people, they make boots.
brian moses
Right.
Or they cater, you know, or they work delis.
joe rogan
Man, I was just in Italy.
Like, when you see, like, these little small family businesses, small family restaurants, like, people that work there...
You know, the father's the owner, and the daughter's the manager, and the mom works in the kitchen.
It's like, wow, this is crazy.
brian moses
They still do that.
joe rogan
Family businesses, yeah.
That was always a thing, right?
You remember, like, family businesses on the East Coast.
Now it's, like, so rare that people, they wear it like a badge of honor.
Look, it's a family business.
Like, all businesses used to be family businesses.
brian moses
No, everything went corporate, though.
joe rogan
Yeah, man.
There's certain places where that's not the case, though.
You gotta really appreciate.
There's one of the things you appreciate about going to Italy.
There's just a bunch of little places.
I mean, they have nice stores, like if you're in Gucci shit and stuff like that.
They have nice stores.
But the restaurants and all the places where you buy things, they're like people's shops.
brian moses
Right.
They're not boutiques.
They're just like, yeah, I go to Craig's or I go to Tiffany's.
joe rogan
It's not Target or Walgreens or Sears.
There's no corporate to it.
It's just families.
It's weird.
brian moses
That keeps the money in the household, too.
You know what I mean?
It makes it real familial.
It actually works out.
That makes sense.
And that's also why I say, like, I'm not real big into the reparations talk for black people.
I mean, I don't really know the ins and outs of it.
People keep saying, like, we need it.
joe rogan
Get ready for Twitter hate.
brian moses
I'm saying this.
I'm saying, how about we incentivize parenting?
joe rogan
But can you do that?
brian moses
If you're watching your kids, instead of like, they're just out there, because I mean, like, let's say, is reparations talk about, I don't know, infrastructure in black communities?
And if that's the case, well then let's incentivize keeping the parents there, keeping the parents together.
Or, if they're split up, it's just like, if you guys are teaching your kid, and he's in school every day, or he survives, you know, eight years without a school shooting...
Every family gets, like, you know, a big bonus, you know?
Or if he makes the honor roll, you know, like, you guys get this.
It's like you'd really be investing in your investments.
Like, they say it takes 18 years to make it back on your investment of your child.
If you're incentivizing them to go to school and for education, it's going to make better people and a better society.
joe rogan
That seems good on paper.
No, if you're saying incentivize, how would you incentivize them?
It's always good to encourage people to be successful.
brian moses
So your kid tests well on some of these aptitude tests, right?
Then you get a stipend or something like that.
What are these reparations we're talking about exactly?
I don't really know the ins and outs of it, but if it's about infrastructure of black communities, I'm so into it.
But it's also, let's incentivize being in the child's life.
Because for a lot of the reasons these kids are depressed and they feel like they have a chip on their shoulder because nobody's home watching them and they go to these gangs and they go to these other things, right?
Because they're just not being watched.
joe rogan
Right, but I think the idea behind reparations is that some people...
At one point in time, we're profiting off of slavery.
Those people have used that money, and that money has become a part of really large businesses, many, many large businesses.
brian moses
Oh, we're talking about taking from businesses?
joe rogan
Well, that's where reparations would have to come from, in my mind.
unidentified
Oh, yeah.
brian moses
General Electric, fucking, yeah, give me $1,500.
joe rogan
That's one that I think directly should be, like, you have to wonder, like, if you made money, like, what if you used to sell babies?
unidentified
Yeah.
joe rogan
You had a baby selling business.
You sold babies, right?
And then your grandson inherited all your money from selling babies.
brian moses
Okay.
joe rogan
But the grandson's cool.
I mean, he just goes golfing and he's not a criminal.
It's fine.
It's fine.
But is it fine?
Because didn't his money come from baby selling?
brian moses
Right.
joe rogan
Wait a minute.
Let's chase this money.
It started out, it was this much money, and then your dad got that, and then his dad got that.
How many generations?
brian moses
Okay.
So you're saying that families who are known plantation owners should have to pay that money back to the black community?
joe rogan
Where did it go?
Where'd the money go?
What was it used for?
brian moses
No, you're right.
joe rogan
I mean, it's only 100 years ago.
It's 1865. Okay.
unidentified
It's not that long ago.
joe rogan
That's so recent.
brian moses
We're just giving it to anybody that's on the census that says they're black, right?
If I'm 8% black, I'm going to get how much of this, you know, the Jones plantation, you know, fortune.
joe rogan
I'm not saying that I'm saying that what the the smart thing to do would be to figure out what damage was like if they really objectively looked at what damage was done to communities where Slavery existed for, I mean, how many hundreds of years in this country before it was 400 years!
Hundreds of years, right?
And then it ends.
And then these people live in these cities and they're discriminated against and they're locked up.
They would sort of...
One thing that I learned about, who was telling us about this, that they would disproportionately arrest black men for all sorts of different crimes?
brian moses
The Reconstruction era is the worst era for black people in America.
It's not so much slavery as it is the Reconstruction era, because then people are just mad that black people are here.
joe rogan
Yeah, well, they were also arresting them for, like, small crimes and making them work in prison.
brian moses
Right.
Kidnapping people, yeah, making them indentured servants.
joe rogan
It's just another form of slavery.
It's like through this weird loophole.
Like, we can make you a slave again.
We just arrest you for hanging out in the street, and then we put you in this factory and you have to do this for us.
We make nothing.
It's basically the same thing as slavery.
When you find out what they make in prisons, when you go, wait a minute, they work for like 13 cents a day or whatever the fuck they get?
brian moses
Right.
joe rogan
Like, what?
brian moses
They figure out how to, yeah, they're modernizing slavery.
Right.
joe rogan
Yeah, because somehow or another that's okay because we got them locked in a box.
Like, they're supposed to be punished, right?
They're supposed to be rehabilitated and taken off the street, but we're going to make them work for no money.
brian moses
I know.
The white man's so smart.
Why don't we, like, black guys, we've got to start making white guys work for us.
Why don't we do the same thing?
We're just so smart.
joe rogan
Well, all the areas that were affected by that in the 50s and the 60s, there's a residual effect that has never been addressed.
Like, the government has never said, we've got to figure out how to make these spots better, because the reason why they're so fucked up is because slavery was there.
And then the subsequent race riots in the 60s, and this quest to...
Figure out what to do with those sort of stop short There's not like like like Baltimore and places like that like Detroit Southside Chicago would just murder every year.
We just accept high numbers High numbers of murder, right?
Yeah, it's Westside Chicago.
Is that where it all goes down?
brian moses
I mean Southside Westside they're but they're just really poor areas But it's also like how these guys getting guns.
joe rogan
Yeah If you can drive around you can get a gun and that's another yeah I just don't know.
brian moses
Like, you have money for guns, but you don't have money to like, I don't know, you know, get a backpack and go to school.
joe rogan
Well, also, if you see that around you all the time, the problem is you become a part of that world.
If everyone's got a gun and everybody's shooting at everybody and you don't.
brian moses
Yeah.
No, you better get one.
joe rogan
You better get a fucking gun.
They're going to try to shoot at you.
You got to shoot back.
Like, what?
brian moses
We're all shooting?
Yeah, you live in a war zone, bro.
Go get a gun.
joe rogan
That's what it is.
It's not a war zone in terms of its official designation by the government, but it's a war zone.
brian moses
These are undeclared wars.
People are shooting at each other.
They're warring each other.
Hatfields and McCoy, it's a war.
It's a civil war.
joe rogan
It's like warring tribes.
We have that in fucking Siberia right now, I bet.
brian moses
Yeah.
joe rogan
How about the Siberian gang fights?
brian moses
Yeah, but that's also...
joe rogan
It's everywhere.
brian moses
That's depression.
And that's another thing classism does.
It's like, they're telling you to kill yourself because you're just poor and you don't know what to do.
And it's like, but that's not true.
I mean...
I'm a black guy like you guys, and I got family members who are in gangs like that, and it sucks down there.
They're so depressed because of what they say, and they don't know how to get out of it.
joe rogan
Yeah, and they don't see any pathway, and they don't see anybody who's gotten out of it, so they feel like they're stuck.
There's a lot of kids that grow up in bad situations.
They feel inferior.
Exactly.
Yeah, they feel inferior because of the clothes they wear or how much money their family has.
brian moses
But then how do you empower those kids?
joe rogan
I think through activities.
unidentified
Yeah.
joe rogan
I think getting those kids involved in things that they can get good at, that show that they have value, and that with hard work comes rewards.
I mean, some of the greatest success stories in this country are professional athletes coming out of impoverished neighborhoods, and they become these global superstars.
brian moses
Right, but then they stay in their kids' lives, though, don't they?
joe rogan
Some of them do.
but it's like you can't you can't fix all that's taken place no you have to sort of figure out how to how to improve the way people look at life the way people interface with life
it's very hard if you're trying to do that but all around you is violence and crime and fear and your levels are all jacked up because you're in the hood and that that's not been addressed like a serious health problem in this country.
It's like even an infrastructure problem.
We just sort of accept the fact that it is an infrastructure problem.
brian moses
So if we're going to put money back, if we're going to repair these black communities, put money in the infrastructure, but also you've got to incentivize parents to be there, right?
joe rogan
I think it's a good idea.
I like what you're saying because you're not punishing them.
brian moses
No.
joe rogan
You're just incentivizing.
brian moses
No.
I'm not saying we shouldn't get money just for being black.
I'm saying we've got to keep the parents there because that builds a strong community.
It really does.
joe rogan
I don't know a whole lot about Kamala Harris, but I do know that she's a very powerful, well-spoken lady.
But she was talking once about this thing that they did where they had these parents be responsible for their kids' truancy.
And so they could go to jail.
Like, the idea was, make sure this is correct.
Make sure this is correct, Jamie.
Because I think the thing they were saying was they were going to have cops go to visit when a kid had been truant.
brian moses
Okay.
joe rogan
And they would sort of threaten the mother that she's responsible for the child's truancy.
brian moses
The mother is not the father.
joe rogan
Well, whoever was there, the single mother, in this case, this one case they were talking about specifically.
And that this lady had to figure out a way to get her fucking son to show up at school.
Hey, I could go to jail.
You know, and did it work?
I'm sure it worked, right?
I'm sure everyone was probably terrified.
But is that really what we want in America?
We want people to be scared that you might go to jail if your kid doesn't go to school.
So if the kid doesn't go to school, you're going to lock someone in a cage?
That is so threatening.
unidentified
Yeah, exactly.
joe rogan
That's so authoritative.
brian moses
There's also homeschool, you know what I mean?
I mean, just because he's enrolled, it's almost like, you know, maybe I took him to sick day.
joe rogan
Yeah, but if you want to do homeschooling things, I think you have to fill out paperwork, you apply for it, you have to let them know that you're withdrawing your kids from the school system, I think.
brian moses
Right, but how many truancies is this?
Is this his first one?
joe rogan
I don't know.
brian moses
Is it your first time offender?
joe rogan
I don't care if it was a hundred.
unidentified
Yeah.
joe rogan
If someone's saying they're going to lock you in jail because your kid doesn't go to school, that's bananas.
That's bananas.
He's 16, or whatever the fuck he is.
When you were 16, I was a latchkey kid.
When I was 14, I was out and gone.
brian moses
We lived in a different time, though, Joe.
joe rogan
I know, but he's still kids.
brian moses
There's two genders.
Race is race.
It's different for us.
joe rogan
That's the only thing that bothers me.
That just drives me crazy.
The idea of the way you fix things is by scaring people and locking them up.
That's how the gulags start, man.
That's that's really that's how that's how the Soviet Union becomes this true fucking Empire of authoritarian What's up?
jamie vernon
The jail sentences of some parents in multiple counties were, in quotes, what she said, an unintended consequence of a statewide law.
But I'm looking further into this in...
This is from the Los Angeles Times.
joe rogan
Well, it was a speech actually that she gave where she explained how she did it and how it was effective.
She was hard on people being truant.
I think your idea, what my point was, I think that your idea is better.
Because instead of punishing people for not doing it, Incentivizes them for doing it.
And if you could set aside...
Imagine that as a project, right?
You were saying that it takes 18 years to see.
If we could fund an 18-year project where they were doing that and just incentivizing kids to succeed, and all of a sudden they just start succeeding like crazy.
What if we had a big jump?
Because it was like financially...
Like you're competing for...
That's a great idea.
brian moses
Dude, look at the AAU. By the way, look at all these guys who get popped in college for taking incentives.
It's because they're getting their parents' jobs or homes or cars.
joe rogan
There's another form.
There's another form right there.
brian moses
You know what I mean?
joe rogan
College athletes.
Who's getting fucked harder than college athletes?
brian moses
Exactly.
joe rogan
Who's getting fucked harder than the only thing that's interesting about the event is the athletes performing.
That's it.
And they make ungotts.
They make nothing!
brian moses
Yeah, they get like a 40 grand scholarship.
joe rogan
The school gives you the opportunity to perform here.
brian moses
Everybody gets here.
joe rogan
You get an electrical engineering degree.
brian moses
Like, everybody wants me.
What are you talking about?
joe rogan
Oh my God, look at this.
2016-2017 school year, the NCAA revenue reached $1 billion with a B. $1 billion.
brian moses
And they're a non-profit, right?
joe rogan
The athletes get un-gots.
jamie vernon
Just like get paid to organize the sports events, really.
joe rogan
Hey, click on that link.
It says NCAA sports make one.
That's that business insider.
That's one of the real clickbaity.
Is that like a, what is it?
Or is it a real legit?
jamie vernon
You just got to figure out who wrote the article.
brian moses
But it's also like what, California is like, they put on a bill, right?
They're going to pay the athletes for their likeness.
joe rogan
They should pay them to play.
You should pay them to play.
Who are those people in the audience?
brian moses
All California schools, I think.
joe rogan
Those people in the audience.
What do they pay for?
brian moses
They're paying for entertainment.
joe rogan
They're paying to watch the players.
brian moses
They're paying for entertainment, yeah.
joe rogan
They're paying to watch the game.
So how come the players don't get a piece?
brian moses
Right.
joe rogan
Why don't they do it?
brian moses
Or it's like people are wearing a jersey that says my name on the back.
Why can't I get just a piece of that?
joe rogan
The idea is that it's not fair.
No one else gets anything for anything they do in school.
brian moses
Yeah.
joe rogan
But you're stealing from athletes.
brian moses
Well, it makes you professional because you're getting paid for your craft now.
joe rogan
Well, then if the athlete's going to work for free, the fucking show should be free.
It should be free tickets.
Damn.
Anybody could go.
brian moses
You just broke the internet.
joe rogan
That's what it should be.
Like, oh, okay.
We don't get any money?
Well, you don't get any money either.
We're doing it for fun?
Well, you're doing it for fun.
brian moses
Dude, if games were free, holy shit.
joe rogan
That's how it should be.
You don't want to pay me?
Free.
Everything's free.
You can't charge money and keep it all, you greedy fucks.
brian moses
That'd be the worst audience, by the way.
The free audience is the worst audience.
joe rogan
You know what the weird thing about colleges is the dudes who've graduated and they're rich now and they donate money.
Keep that football program alive, Wilson.
They give you a fucking stack.
brian moses
They're investing in their community, player.
joe rogan
They love it.
Like, Jamie loves Columbus teams.
Anything from Columbus, he gets a boner for.
He gets super...
jamie vernon
Yeah, yeah.
Stay away from this one.
brian moses
Are you watching the basketball tournament?
jamie vernon
There's stuff going on at Ohio State with the Epstein shit.
They've invested a lot of money at Ohio State, and they're trying to figure out if they need to give it back or not.
brian moses
Oh, did he go to Ohio State?
jamie vernon
He didn't, but he's involved in Columbus business, and so they've given a lot of money to this football team.
joe rogan
Have they determined that his...
That his money, like how his money was made?
brian moses
Through sex trafficking?
jamie vernon
Oh, yeah.
Like Epstein's money?
joe rogan
Yeah.
jamie vernon
I don't know.
I don't know.
I mean, I know he was managing that one guy's money.
brian moses
I mean, how much from sex trafficking?
Because that would make him a plantation owner.
Like, in a sense, right?
Because he's like, he's giving out flesh, he's getting paid for flesh.
joe rogan
What was his, allegedly what he did was he would find young girls and get them to give massages.
brian moses
And they'd be like, you guys should, you know.
joe rogan
Yeah.
brian moses
Getting my tribe.
Yeah.
joe rogan
The prosecutor.
brian moses
I don't know how mad you are.
joe rogan
The prosecutor had a real creepy way of describing it, too.
He said that he thought it was impossible for him to control.
That his impulses were impossible for him to control, and he was a great flight risk.
So they didn't want him to have...
See if that's true.
brian moses
So his therapist was saying this.
So they're trying to protect him, but it's also like, are they trying to cure him?
joe rogan
See if that quote is true, because I'm pretty high right now.
The prosecutor said that the Epstein fellow had impulses that were impossible to control.
That's how he felt.
brian moses
But a lot of those guys, they say that, right?
Even like the Jared, all the guys say that.
joe rogan
That's the thing, apparently, about pedophiles.
brian moses
Yeah.
joe rogan
Is that the recidivism rate's so high.
When they get...
If they do go to jail and then they get released, boy, man, they do it again.
brian moses
Right, because I got away.
I can do that.
I can deal with that.
unidentified
It's not just that.
joe rogan
I think they're broken.
I think it's like a...
You know that screen that was just all fucked up?
brian moses
That's them.
joe rogan
That's them.
brian moses
It's a glitch, yeah.
joe rogan
Yeah, I think...
I don't think we should assume that...
If your brain is working well and your body is working well, you just can't assume that everybody's is.
brian moses
But then it's also like, you feel bad for...
We feel guys who are born with severe cerebral palsy, right?
In a sense, that's what's happening to them.
They can't control this urge, but then it's also how do you fix that instead of shaming them.
joe rogan
Right, and a lot of it is apparently a lot of pedophilia is brought through sexual trauma, right?
So if someone is molested as a young child, apparently there's a higher likelihood that they can...
brian moses
So it's like the HIV virus.
joe rogan
It's just, you're breaking someone's wiring, like the wiring to the way they interface with the world at a young age, and you're fucking up their life in a horrible way.
brian moses
They say that about Michael Jackson, right?
It's like he got touched early, so then it was like he was using that as like, hey, this is normal to me.
joe rogan
Yeah, what did he ever allege happened to him?
Did he ever explain what happened to him?
brian moses
No.
joe rogan
There was something where he was talking about how he had all the surgery so he didn't have to look like his father.
I remember that.
brian moses
Really?
joe rogan
Yeah.
But that's also...
It could also be that...
brian moses
So he was scared of his father.
joe rogan
Yeah.
brian moses
And every time he looked in the mirror, he saw his father.
joe rogan
Yeah.
brian moses
Man in the mirror.
joe rogan
Yeah.
brian moses
I don't think that's what it's about.
joe rogan
I don't think that's what it's about.
brian moses
It's not about Joe Jackson.
joe rogan
I think it's about getting your shit together.
brian moses
They also say because he bought the Beatles catalog that that's a smear campaign and they paid those kids off to say that about him.
joe rogan
That's ridiculous.
brian moses
It's a great conspiracy theory.
joe rogan
I think people are...
You know, they're crazy if they think it's normal for a guy to have a bunch of kids sleep in his bed.
He was weird!
brian moses
You know, Mike was on drugs!
joe rogan
Off the charts bananas that anybody would let their kid stay there.
Off the charts bananas.
brian moses
It is.
Also, Mike was off the charts.
joe rogan
Yeah.
brian moses
He had so many hits.
The more hits you have, the more shit you can get away with until eventually...
joe rogan
It says, okay, Berman's dismissed a request for bail because Epstein's impulses are not likely to have abated or been successfully suppressed.
That's not exactly.
That makes more sense.
I paraphrased hard.
Is the Florida governor?
That's how rumors get started.
brian moses
So this is in Florida.
You can get away with anything there.
joe rogan
You used to be able to.
They're tightening it down on Florida.
brian moses
Thank God.
Look, Florida.
2019, it took you this long?
joe rogan
Well, Florida was the place where the pain pill mills existed, where they have the management centers, the pain management centers, right next to an OxyContin store.
brian moses
Dude.
joe rogan
So you go to the doctor, you tell me, my back's killing me.
The doctor's like, you need pain pills.
I do need pain pills.
Just write a piece of paper, and then you would literally go to the next door over, and it was the building connected to them that sells the pain pills.
They'd have it in the same spot sometimes.
brian moses
That's like cocaine country too, right?
Yeah.
Everybody's so fucking high in Florida.
joe rogan
Dude, Florida's crazy.
It's got a history of high.
I feel like the chaos of the 80s, of all the cocaine, is burned into the psyche of the landmass.
And then the alligators moved in.
It made it even more reptilian.
brian moses
It made it more reptilian?
joe rogan
When I was a kid, I lived there.
Did you really?
I lived in Gainesville.
Gainesville, Florida.
brian moses
That's North Florida, right?
North?
joe rogan
I don't know if it's North.
Is it North?
Sort of-ish?
Middle-ish?
brian moses
Sort of middle?
Okay.
joe rogan
I mean, we were around alligators, but they were endangered back then.
So they would tell you, yeah, yeah.
They thought of them as endangered.
People are so silly.
They're like, we have to protect these fucking monsters that are around us.
We have to.
And when I was there, uh, some ladies poodle got snatched.
I think it was a poodle.
It was a small dog got snatched by an alligator while I was there.
Jesus.
Yeah.
I didn't see it happen, but I came after it happened and people were all freaked out.
And they were telling you to stop feeding the marshmallows.
We would feed alligators marshmallows.
brian moses
And they'd keep coming back.
joe rogan
Well, the thing is they liked the marshmallows.
So you knew if you threw the marshmallows, the alligator would come up and eat it.
And they got used to eating marshmallows.
And then there was signs.
They said, don't have the alligators eat marshmallows because it's apparently bad for their digestive system and blah, blah, blah, blah, blah.
brian moses
They can shit everywhere?
joe rogan
They can eat a whole dog with a collar on.
brian moses
Yeah.
That's better for their digestion.
joe rogan
I mean, it's not...
It's spitting out the dog's collar.
It's swallowing that collar.
It's going to shit out that metal buckle.
You really think a marshmallow is going to stop?
So this attitude that they had that they wanted to bring back the alligator, it was a good thing because they really were on the verge of extinction.
But then it became the opposite.
So now alligators are everywhere.
So now alligators are everywhere.
People find them in their house.
They find them in their pool.
They're snatching people up.
brian moses
They become rats.
Like rats in New York.
joe rogan
They're everywhere.
Did you see that one that was really recently filmed walking across a golf course?
brian moses
No.
joe rogan
It is a dinosaur.
brian moses
Really?
joe rogan
It's 15 feet long.
brian moses
I do love the gator, though.
I fucking love the gator, though.
joe rogan
It's an awesome animal.
brian moses
Yeah, it really is.
joe rogan
It's an awesome animal.
See if you can find the video, the video of the giant alligator.
And they said, by the way, that this alligator is probably somewhere in the neighborhood of 80 years old.
brian moses
Yeah.
He's 80 years old.
joe rogan
Okay.
80 years old.
That's an 80-year-old alligator.
brian moses
God.
He never experienced any kind of racism or Jim Crow laws.
joe rogan
They're just...
unidentified
Yeah.
brian moses
Walking through...
joe rogan
Eating machine.
brian moses
Yeah.
joe rogan
Yeah.
brian moses
Good for them.
joe rogan
But here it is.
Look at this.
brian moses
Oh, shit.
You weren't lying.
Oh, my God.
He's 80 years old?
joe rogan
That's an 80-year-old alligator.
brian moses
He's moving kind of fresh.
joe rogan
They say the ones that are really big, when they get to be that 15-foot length, a lot of those are really old.
brian moses
50, 60, 80. No arthritis.
I mean, God.
joe rogan
My friend shot one, and it was more than 80 years old.
Shout out to John Dudley.
brian moses
That is a dinosaur.
joe rogan
That is a goddamn dinosaur.
unidentified
Wow.
joe rogan
That means...
Rewind that again, because we're both super high.
brian moses
I mean, what is he even doing?
joe rogan
Imagine seeing that.
Brian Moses.
You're in your yard.
You're chilling, hanging out, on your phone, got your feet up, and you see that walking across your yard.
brian moses
Yeah, I gotta get the fuck out of Florida.
joe rogan
You're like, how close is that to me?
What the fuck?
brian moses
I mean, that's super dope.
I mean, look at that thing.
He's got a scab there, too.
joe rogan
How much do you think that weighs?
brian moses
Let's go half a ton.
500 pounds?
joe rogan
I think a thousand easy.
jamie vernon
Did you see the guy's fishing?
brian moses
That's a 500, Jesus Christ.
I am high.
jamie vernon
He's reeling in a big-ass fish, and the gator wants it, and starts chasing him on land, and the guy's like, get the fuck out of the way, get out of the way.
joe rogan
Oh my God.
brian moses
It's a thousand-pound gator.
jamie vernon
It's not that big, but it's big.
brian moses
That's a lot of church shoes.
joe rogan
It's so big.
brian moses
It's a lot of church shoes.
joe rogan
These things, they live amongst us, and they eat dogs, and they eat deer, and everything else they can get their hands.
They have to eat a lot of food to maintain that fucking mass.
Is this it?
So the guy, oh my god, he's got the fish.
brian moses
Oh, he's got a fish.
joe rogan
He pulls it in, the gator's chasing him.
brian moses
Holy shit.
joe rogan
Oh, fuck, man.
brian moses
Whoa.
Look how agile he is.
For 80?
joe rogan
Dude, they move quick.
I don't know who knows how old that one is.
That could be a younger one.
Oh, he's stealing this dude's fish.
brian moses
Yeah, keep the fish.
unidentified
Wow.
brian moses
He's got robbed for his fish.
joe rogan
He just got jacked.
That does not look like a crocodile.
Yeah, I was going to say that doesn't look like an alligator.
That's a crocodile.
brian moses
What's the difference?
joe rogan
Crocodiles have like a pointier snout and they're way more aggressive.
brian moses
Okay, so don't fuck with a croc.
Alligators are better.
joe rogan
Yeah, oh my god, they're better.
If there was as many crocodiles as there are alligators in Florida, way more people would be getting jacked.
brian moses
Oh, so croc is, okay, whoa.
joe rogan
Crocs will fuck everybody up.
Crocs do not discriminate.
They get water buffaloes, people, they don't give a fuck.
They're real aggressive, too.
There was this one video of...
They had an alligator farm, and they were raising alligators, and then they had one crocodile.
And so when it came time to feeding, the one crocodile was like, bitch, down!
Sit the fuck down!
Climbing on top of these alligators.
brian moses
Like roosters and hens.
joe rogan
Yeah, but he was on the top of all the alligators.
Fuck the fuck off of here!
And just took control and was getting the food.
Way more aggressive.
brian moses
Will a crocodile eat an alligator?
joe rogan
That's a good question.
They eat each other.
brian moses
Do they really?
jamie vernon
Which one's a caiman?
Where's a caiman from?
joe rogan
That's a crocodile, but it's a very small crocodile.
brian moses
Okay.
joe rogan
Caimans are small.
They live in the Amazon.
brian moses
Have you eaten crocodile?
joe rogan
No.
brian moses
Or a gator?
joe rogan
Yeah.
I was an alligator.
I had it at a place that was like a fucking TGI Fridays type joint, and it wasn't the best.
It wasn't TGI Fridays, but it was one of the Applebee's type places.
brian moses
Right, like a chain that serves gator.
joe rogan
And it wasn't fresh, but apparently when you get it fresh, right off the gator, it's supposed to be really good.
brian moses
I think any meat could be like that, you know what I mean?
Even rat.
joe rogan
Yeah.
But the alligator thing is like, did you eat the gator?
Yeah, we did.
We went crazy.
brian moses
What a weekend.
joe rogan
You know?
brian moses
Yeah, my brother and sister live down there, and my brother got a gun pulled on them.
joe rogan
Whoa.
brian moses
Yeah, by like a delivery driver.
unidentified
Whoa.
brian moses
So, my brother is a little baby, my little niece, and they're with her.
It's my brother and her in the back.
And then...
He's driving us in the neighborhood.
He's going on the speed limit, right?
Like maybe like five to ten miles an hour, maybe a little slower.
And there's a delivery driver behind him.
Delivery driver gets mad, starts honking at him, is behind him, right?
My brother-in-law pulls into their driveway.
Delivery driver pulls him behind him and is like, what do you want to do, man?
And it flashes a gun on him.
And my brother, who's like, he's as big as you, he's like a bodybuilder.
And he was like, I don't want to do anything, man.
He's like, I just want to know why you're honking at me.
I got my daughter in the back.
You know, she's like, less than a year old.
And the guy's just like, I'm not making this a race thing!
And he's like, I'm not saying this is a race thing.
Yeah.
So he's just like, well, because my brother was in the military, and he kept calling the guy sir.
And the guy's like, you calling me sir?
Are you in the military?
And he's just like, I am, sir.
I am in the military.
And he's just like, well, you're disgraced in the military.
And he's just like, I just went slow enough because my daughter's in the back and you're behind me.
So he's like, I don't understand what the deal is here.
And the guy just kept trying to egg him on to try to provoke a fight because they're standing your ground.
unidentified
Oh.
brian moses
Yeah.
I mean, when I heard about it, I was terrified.
My sister was shook.
She had to come home from work because it's like, you know, the baby's in the back and this guy just pulled up into your driveway and he's just like, if Quincy would have made a move and that guy shot him, that guy would have been on the right.
joe rogan
How much of that's going on?
brian moses
It's probably happening all the time.
Look what happened to Trayvon.
joe rogan
That's a uniquely incompetent security guard, too, though.
I mean, he was getting smashed.
He's getting his head bounced off the curb.
brian moses
By a 15-year-old, right.
joe rogan
That kid was fucking him up when he pulled that gun out.
brian moses
That happened in Florida, too.
Wasn't that in a parking lot, right?
Where a guy thought he was being threatened by a dude with his kids in the car, and then he shot the guy.
There's a parking lot in Florida.
I don't know that one.
I think that happened either last year or something, but that's definitely a recent one.
joe rogan
People just having guns all the time seems like a great idea, but people like that having guns.
That's when it becomes a problem.
Somebody knows that you don't have a gun, and they're trying to goad you into something so they can shoot you like an outlaw Josie Wales movie.
That's not someone defending themselves.
brian moses
That's the weapon.
joe rogan
That's why guns are creepy.
It's not creepy because a guy like you has a gun.
You're a great guy.
You're not going to rob anybody.
brian moses
I don't need a gun either.
joe rogan
You wouldn't have a gun.
But if you did have a gun, I wouldn't be nervous.
I'd be like, well, Moses has a gun.
He can handle it.
brian moses
Yeah, I'm not looking at...
joe rogan
There's some people that aren't good guys, right?
If those not good guys get a gun...
jamie vernon
This was the one he was talking about where the guy was...
It's a big stand-your-ground case.
He was on the ground with his hands up.
And he got shot still.
joe rogan
Really?
jamie vernon
Because the guy said he felt threatened or something, I believe.
brian moses
That's all they need is a reason, dude.
That's all they need is a reason to Florida.
joe rogan
He's on the ground on his knees and the guy shot him?
unidentified
Yeah.
joe rogan
Oh my god.
brian moses
Yeah.
joe rogan
Jesus Christ.
I mean, when do you not shoot someone?
Are you willing to shoot them if they flattened out?
brian moses
I thought it was always like if somebody's attacking you, I thought.
I mean, you're on the offense.
joe rogan
Do you have to flatten out?
Yeah.
brian moses
No, you have to offer them money.
Please don't shoot me.
Yeah, here's how much I think my life is.
joe rogan
When would you accuse him?
I mean, if he shot the guy while the guy was flattened out, what about then?
You know what I'm saying?
Do you think they'd have the same reaction?
Because the reaction they had when they saw him with his hands up on his knees...
brian moses
I think they'd still be mad, yeah.
I don't know how mad you are with a gun in your hand, with a weapon in your hand, to be like, I'm playing God right now to this guy.
I can kill this man right now, or this person right here.
So yeah, I don't think it would matter.
joe rogan
Would they accuse him?
What I'm saying is, would they accuse him?
Because he got away with it, right?
brian moses
No, he was accused though, right?
jamie vernon
He wasn't charged for this.
brian moses
They didn't charge him?
joe rogan
That's what I'm saying.
brian moses
What?
joe rogan
That's what I'm saying.
brian moses
The guy that he shot?
jamie vernon
He wasn't arrested yet.
He's deciding to stay in your ground law.
I'm reading right here from the AP. Sheriff won't arrest parking lot shooter.
joe rogan
That's what I'm saying.
brian moses
Oh, so they can't even charge him?
joe rogan
No.
That's what I'm saying.
brian moses
They're not going to charge him.
You can't challenge that rule?
Like in football?
That's not a red flag?
joe rogan
He said he felt threatened.
brian moses
And the black guy was just like, dude, I was on the ground and there's closed circuit footage of it.
joe rogan
Yep.
My question was, what if he had lied down?
Lied down flat on the ground?
Would then he be...
I mean, when would they...
What would the line be where they decide to charge him?
You know what I'm saying?
brian moses
Right, right.
joe rogan
They don't charge a guy when he's on his knees.
Okay, will you charge him when he's lying down?
If the guy's lying down, you just execute him.
brian moses
Right.
joe rogan
Does that still stand your ground?
jamie vernon
There is a manslaughter trial, apparently now, updated as of June 18th.
brian moses
Manslaughter?
Oh, he killed that guy.
jamie vernon
They're looking to call the sheriff as a defense witness.
brian moses
That's insane.
joe rogan
Insane.
There's certain people that shouldn't have a gun, right?
Now, there's certain people, a lot of seasoned law enforcement people and people with good dispositions that would never, in their fucking wildest dreams, shoot someone who was on their knees, would never threaten anybody with a gun, and they have a gun purely for self-defense.
That's a different thing.
Everybody can have a gun.
You're gonna get a certain number of those fucking guys.
And they think they're in the right.
brian moses
Yeah, I think we all got to get guns.
I mean, like, is that not the move?
Do we not all get guns?
This is America.
We can be racist and have guns and be on drugs.
joe rogan
Well, you have to be on drugs now.
It's new.
brian moses
Right.
joe rogan
It's going to come to a point in time.
Could you imagine?
brian moses
How scary are you of your kids to go to school now?
joe rogan
It's scary.
brian moses
Right.
joe rogan
When you have children, you're very vulnerable, you know?
You feel more filled with love than ever before, but you also feel more filled with fear because you're worried.
I mean, that's one of the things that the Romans always knew.
So make people have families.
You can control them if they have families.
brian moses
Oh, that's fucking powerful.
joe rogan
Yeah.
brian moses
You can control your families.
joe rogan
You can't control young dudes.
brian moses
Right.
joe rogan
Young dudes with swords.
brian moses
Yeah.
joe rogan
Who are single.
You want them to get shacked up and have kids.
brian moses
Right.
That way they stop doing that.
joe rogan
Yeah.
And then you got to kill somebody's kids every now and then.
Keep them in line.
Jesus, Joe.
And that's what they did.
Bro, I mean, that's what they did.
They did that from time-honored tradition.
brian moses
You kill somebody's kid to keep them in line.
unidentified
Right.
joe rogan
They've done it in the mafia.
They've done it with a lot of people.
I mean, it's always been something that people do to put fear in people.
You get people to, when you have a lot more to lose when you have a family, they look at it that way.
There's certain people that, I mean, when you study how to get people to listen to you and to behave and how to strike fear into populace, that's why they don't want abortion laws.
unidentified
Hmm.
brian moses
Wow, that's deep.
joe rogan
If there is someone that is really thinking, we need to make sure that people have families so that they'll be more vulnerable.
If there is someone that is following that philosophy, which is not my thought.
brian moses
Yeah, exactly.
You said the Romans said that.
joe rogan
But it's been around forever.
This is like a commonly thought of...
brian moses
Humans born, they think that we have to keep families to keep them in line.
joe rogan
Well, when you talk about authoritarian figures, like people that want to have an iron fist to control the population, the last thing you want is a bunch of young single guys running around with no attachments.
Because that's how coups get successfully completed.
A bunch of young mercenaries just decide to take over your fucking building, expendable style, and shoot everybody.
You don't want that.
brian moses
Yeah, because they have nothing to lose.
joe rogan
Right.
You want a guy who loves his wife, and loves his kids, and he's got...
Yeah, he's got something to lose, and that's how you keep a society in order.
brian moses
And that's why you shouldn't be getting rid of babies.
No condoms, no babies.
No birth control, no babies.
joe rogan
If someone really was plotting out a culture that way, like really masterminding it and really saying that, not just knowing that it is the case that people do change when they have children, but then doing this and promoting this on purpose, specifically to control people.
If that was the case...
Yeah, they would do that.
They would do that too.
They would work against abortion because they would want more people to have more kids so that they can control them.
brian moses
That makes sense.
Well good.
joe rogan
Crazy to think that way.
But it would only be like one factor.
I think the major factor is religion.
Because if you are pro-life and a candidate is pro-choice, In your mind, a lot of times people decide that that person is against, like, God's law.
That person wants to kill children.
brian moses
Right.
So they almost feel like compelled to vote You know to vote against you if you're pro-choice I know but like are they thinking about Well, you know what if this mother doesn't raise this child now you have this you know This mother who's resentful of this child that she had that you guys made her have And this child who's you know this loveless child now and they both you know she's got mental illness He's got mental illness because you know he's looking for his mother's love She's like this kid ruined my dreams, you know and This husband didn't stay, that kind of thing.
And you're making these communities, you know, depressed and sad, you know?
And then you guys who said, no, you have to have that.
You're not raising this kid, you know?
You're not putting money in this family's pocket.
joe rogan
All these things you're saying are true.
brian moses
Yeah.
joe rogan
It's one of those things where you could see two...
Two distinct patterns, but infinite different varieties of the world sucks because the baby was born, or the world is amazing because the baby's born.
brian moses
Right.
Tim Tebow says that, you know?
joe rogan
That's the thing, man.
unidentified
It's true, though.
brian moses
Tim Tebow's awesome.
joe rogan
It's true with all...
I mean, you never know.
You never know.
But it's whose decision should it be and what is it?
That's the real question.
Like, what is abortion?
brian moses
Right.
joe rogan
What is it?
Is it killing a baby or is it a medical procedure?
Like, which one is it?
unidentified
Oof.
brian moses
It's a slippery slope.
joe rogan
That's where the debate falls in pro-choice or pro-life.
It's not that these pro-choice people are evil people.
brian moses
No.
joe rogan
They just don't want anybody dictating.
I mean, it's not like an evil organization that's Right.
right that's what it is they want to be able to make the choice themselves but then there's other people that are pro-life and specifically the more militant ones which you know have assassinated abortion doctors i mean there are there are people that firmly believe that even if it's just a couple of days old right it's a baby right and that any sort of procedure to stop that in its place is murder you're murdering a baby and there's no if ands or buts about it
and it's like the way they look at the the loony left and that they they buy into this bullshit and right you know that that Thank you.
That's a narrative that, you know, that's how they really believe.
And people demonize people on both sides of it, as if they're so different.
And there's no way you could ever think any differently than the way you're thinking it right now.
brian moses
No, I think you broke it down just like, is it a medical procedure?
Or is it, you know, the other way?
And I think that's hard to get into.
It is fucking very hard.
I mean, we'll be debating that until the end of time.
joe rogan
Well, it's one of the most human subjects because it shows how complicated shit really is.
And if you try to pretend it's not, then you get into late-term abortions.
You're like, well, what's up there?
When does it get weird for you?
When does it get weird?
Is it six months?
Does it get weird then?
Look, it's weird.
I'm not saying you shouldn't be able to have an abortion or should be.
I'm not saying either of those things.
I'm just saying to deny the weirdness.
The nicest term that I could come up with is weirdness, right?
brian moses
It is weird.
I had a...
I got a girl pregnant when I was a teenager, and she had an abortion.
I'm sorry.
She had a miscarriage.
Nature's abortion.
And then she would...
I remember it was eight weeks or nine weeks, and she was flushing out chunks of what she was calling the baby.
So, I mean, that's at like eight to nine weeks, everybody.
joe rogan
Jesus Christ.
brian moses
Yeah, yeah, yeah.
So...
joe rogan
Wow.
brian moses
Yeah.
And she shouldn't have had a baby.
She was on crystal meth.
I mean, that shouldn't have happened.
So, thank whatever higher power did that for us.
But...
Yeah, that's what I'm saying.
That's why it's so messy, and it really is messy because you don't know what is what.
It traumatized her.
joe rogan
Makes sense.
It's a crazy process that the human body goes through that men will never really understand because there's never going to be an opportunity where a body grows inside your body and then comes out of your body.
The way a woman experiences.
brian moses
I mean, that's some alien shit.
joe rogan
Dude, women experience something that is so alien to anything that males experience.
They grow a body inside of them.
It's so different in terms of how they interface with the world.
world they have to be nurturing they want to protect the nest and keep everybody safe and they're going to have a baby inside right boom and now they have to take care of this baby and care for it and then the baby will become more people and they'll start mating and they get become adults and they're babies of their own yeah yeah these earthlings wild yeah it comes out of their body and for us man we just we just shoot loads It's so easy.
What we do when we don't have a baby and what we do when we have a baby is the exact same thing.
When you have sex with a woman and she gets impregnated, it feels like regular sex to us.
And we have sex all the time and you don't get pregnant and then all of a sudden you are.
So it's weird.
We didn't even do anything.
We just had sex.
We normally have sex.
unidentified
Yeah.
joe rogan
You had sex and now there's an extra person.
Like, whoa!
Like, what?
But there's a lot of times...
So you associate sex with pleasure.
brian moses
Right.
joe rogan
Like, it is, obviously.
But when you have a baby, you're like, oh, it does that?
brian moses
It does that, yes.
unidentified
That's what it does?
brian moses
Yeah.
Sex does that.
unidentified
Wow.
joe rogan
So for a man, there's no difference in what happens to his body, right?
Like, when he's having sex and a baby's conceived versus when he's having sex and nothing.
It's just fun.
There's no difference to him.
He doesn't feel a difference.
Whereas a woman, literally, her body will fucking grow.
A person inside of you...
unidentified
A person with a brain that she's sharing vessels and things with.
joe rogan
This thing's kicking inside of her.
That experience...
brian moses
It'll fuck you up.
joe rogan
For a man, it's just, I mean, I would, I do not, like, if there was a way that you could record what it's like to be someone, and then they give you, like, a little chip, and you would slip it in there, and I could see you, like, you would allow people all of your feelings, the way your skin feels, the way your emotions are, the way your psychology is set up, you would allow people to literally be you for a couple days.
brian moses
And the chip would do that?
joe rogan
Yeah, this chip would just sit in your head and you would be that person.
I would like to feel what it's like to be pregnant.
brian moses
Really?
joe rogan
Yeah.
brian moses
You want to feel that rip, that pain?
joe rogan
No, not the birth part.
Fuck that.
I don't want the dick.
brian moses
Such a straight male answer.
Yeah.
Right.
joe rogan
I don't want to get fucked.
I don't want to get fucked.
I don't want to...
Imagine if that was the only way you could feel it.
unidentified
Right.
joe rogan
But I would wonder what it would like to, first of all, be a maternal woman.
I mean, I'm really curious as to what the hormones feel like, what it must feel like.
Because I don't think we...
You know, when you see a woman, you try to understand, like, what's the world through her eyes?
brian moses
Right.
joe rogan
You're never going to...
Feel the way she feels.
brian moses
I'm never going to look at somebody else and be like, oh, they can kill me right now all the time.
You know what I mean?
joe rogan
Yeah, that too.
That's a huge part.
But I mean, even just interfacing with the world through a different type of human body, a female human body versus a male human body in terms of like estrogen and the testosterone ratio and how your maternal instincts and oxytocin and all these different variables.
Yeah.
Heightened sensitivity in certain situations.
brian moses
They have superpowers, actually.
You described it that way.
joe rogan
They're making humans.
They're making humans in their body.
And they have to make sure that everyone's safe around them.
Because every now and then, men will murder them.
brian moses
Right.
Or rape them.
Exactly.
Jesus.
joe rogan
Crazy.
brian moses
Sorry, ladies.
joe rogan
Sorry.
When you really think about it, it's like, what a mad...
Relationship.
It's mad.
The relationship between males and females?
brian moses
Yeah.
joe rogan
It's mad.
That's why I always laugh at dudes who get, you know, when guys get jacked for their divorce money, it's like, come on, you're gonna be alright.
brian moses
Yeah.
joe rogan
You got all the terrible things that could go wrong.
brian moses
Right.
joe rogan
That's just, you just get jacked for some money.
brian moses
I like that perspective, actually.
It kind of puts it on perspective.
You're just like, yeah, that's...
joe rogan
Nobody raped you and killed you.
Nobody raped you and killed you.
Look, people get into bad relationships.
I mean, I'm not happy that someone ever gets into a bad relationship.
But if you get into a bad relationship and she's just a gold digger, it's like, oh, God.
I've had so many friends that have been like, yeah, my fucking ex-wife, she wants more money, I've got to go to court.
I'm like, Wow.
brian moses
Yeah.
But you can't get raped or murdered, player.
joe rogan
But it's like, you fucked up.
You shouldn't have married her, dummy.
You should have known.
You should have known she was crazy.
brian moses
Would you rather get raped or murdered?
unidentified
Raped.
brian moses
Really?
joe rogan
Yeah, for sure.
You sure?
I don't want either one.
brian moses
Obviously.
joe rogan
But if a guy rapes me, and I'm still alive, then I get to murder him.
brian moses
Oh, shit.
joe rogan
You gotta think about it that way.
brian moses
So you can get to murder him.
joe rogan
Yeah, you don't just get to murder him.
I'd rather die.
No, I don't get murdered.
I just get raped.
brian moses
Okay.
joe rogan
I'll wait.
brian moses
But there's like, isn't there trauma with that though, you know?
joe rogan
Yeah, there'll be trauma.
I'm not going to enjoy it.
Yeah, it's going to be terrible.
Yeah, but it's better than being dead.
brian moses
Okay.
joe rogan
I'm not saying it's good.
No, but for me, as a man, as a human, I would rather be raped than murdered.
brian moses
Okay.
joe rogan
For sure.
brian moses
Then you go John Wick after that?
joe rogan
A hundred percent.
unidentified
Yeah.
brian moses
Just so everybody fucking knows.
joe rogan
A hundred percent.
brian moses
Don't rape me or I'll murder you.
joe rogan
Yeah, I'll have a new goal in life.
unidentified
But you gotta say goodbye to everybody before you do it.
brian moses
Oh, because you're done after that.
You're not gonna stay alive.
joe rogan
Yeah, it's not John Wick.
John Wick just drives home.
brian moses
Yeah.
joe rogan
They arrest you.
If a dude fucked you, and then you kill him, and they go to you immediately.
I go, hey, did you kill that guy who fucked you?
brian moses
I mean, by the way...
joe rogan
Like, me?
unidentified
Yeah.
brian moses
No!
joe rogan
What happened?
brian moses
I mean, what does a cop say?
He's just like, dude, he raped me, though.
He's just like, ugh.
joe rogan
Yeah, well, you can't just murder a guy because he raped you.
brian moses
OJ says there are rules, so you can't murder people.
I'm just saying.
joe rogan
Hey, Twitter world.
brian moses
Hey, Twitter world.
jamie vernon
Someone's got to make a shirt soon.
joe rogan
I wonder if he would sue you, right?
Because there's people that if you made a Conor McGregor shirt and you had some quotes on it, you were selling it, he could maybe sue you.
jamie vernon
If you keep his face off of it, probably be alright.
brian moses
Or he'd come to your house with a bunch of dudes and take all his stuff back.
joe rogan
But if you have a picture of OJ's face leaning into that selfie camera, it just says, Hey Twitter world!
I mean, come on.
brian moses
It's the Twitterverse, by the way.
joe rogan
Because he keeps saying it.
No, no, no.
It's OJ's world.
It's a Twitter world.
He can do whatever the fuck he wants.
brian moses
He did.
joe rogan
That shirt would be giant.
It's probably being made right now.
There's nerds that are listening to us right now.
That are going...
They're just going to hit pause right now.
brian moses
Yeah.
joe rogan
And make...
brian moses
Twitterverse.
Yeah, you just made OJ some merch.
joe rogan
Hey, Twitter world.
brian moses
OJ's got merch.
joe rogan
No, he's not going to get that money.
The money all is going to go to abused women.
brian moses
Good.
joe rogan
And waiters.
Waiters have been murdered by boyfriends.
Goddamn.
With a knife, too.
Personal.
brian moses
They never found that knife.
They never found that knife.
joe rogan
Yeah, who had that knife?
brian moses
I mean, damn OJ. Damn, OJ. You know, for like 70 and like an ex-convict, he looks good.
joe rogan
He was playing golf all day.
brian moses
Was he?
joe rogan
That's all he does.
brian moses
Even like...
He plays golf.
joe rogan
Goes out and plays golf.
brian moses
He looks great.
joe rogan
He seems to have at least a slight struggle with communicating.
brian moses
Right.
And walking.
unidentified
He seems like he's got a little slowness to his voice where he's forcing it.
joe rogan
You know what I mean?
Which is probably CTE. Oh, is that CTE? Yeah.
brian moses
But he sounds pretty clear.
joe rogan
Pretty clear.
Pretty clear.
But there's a hint.
There's a hitch.
You know, you get it...
You see it in fighters where...
You never know, because it might just be you're tired, right?
But there's some days where I'm jet-lagged or tired.
I'm really stupid.
I don't talk that good.
brian moses
He did beat two murder cases.
That'll make you a little...
joe rogan
And he's in his 70s, right?
Isn't he?
brian moses
Yeah, he's in his 70s, yeah.
unidentified
But still, there's a struggle, slight struggle to the way he's talking.
joe rogan
That makes me think he's dealing with some sparks.
O.J. Simpson worried he has CTE. I have days that I can't find words.
Yeah, 100%.
brian moses
But CTE makes you murder people, right?
joe rogan
You could be.
brian moses
Would you use that today, OJ? That's what his lawyer had said.
Oh, really?
joe rogan
One of his lawyers had said that it had OJ Simpson.
Was it a lawyer or was it a medical advisor?
Medical advisor?
Medical advisor said, I would bet my binnacle license that he has CTE. Yeah, but he was also saying that it would have been a part of the defense.
brian moses
Right, it would have been a part of it.
joe rogan
If the crime had happened today.
brian moses
I mean, yeah, that's what I'm saying, right?
That's what happened to Aaron Hernandez, they were saying?
joe rogan
CTV? Dude, with all of them.
brian moses
Yeah.
joe rogan
And obviously, you're in a super violent sport, too.
unidentified
Yeah.
joe rogan
It's like the most violent.
And then you're going to have a high capacity for violence.
brian moses
Right.
Yeah.
joe rogan
You know what I mean?
And then on top of that, if your fucking wiring is...
Because you've been smashed so many times, and they do get smashed, and their wiring does go, for some of them, fighters and...
brian moses
A little haywire.
joe rogan
Yeah, they get a little haywire.
brian moses
Chris Benoit.
joe rogan
Yeah, that was terrible.
That kind of shit is so terrifying.
A guy could kill his family.
I mean, and many people that have experienced extreme CTE have wound up, when they committed suicide, donating their brain.
Like, saying, you know, like, that one dude, Junior Sal, he shot himself in the chest, right, so that they could look at his brain.
That's hard, man.
That's hard.
brian moses
How many fights have you been in?
How many times have you been concussed?
joe rogan
I don't know.
I don't know how many times I've been concussed.
I've never been knocked unconscious, but I got TKO'd in a kickboxing match.
The last fight I ever had, I got cracked.
I got cracked with a left hook.
It was one of the weirdest times I've ever been hit because I'd been hit hard before, but I'd never been hit where my legs stopped working.
They just stopped.
They just stopped.
He hit me.
He caught me at the tip of my jaw with a left hook that I didn't see coming, and my leg just went...
They just gave out.
They gave out.
They shut off.
brian moses
There's a nerve in here, you're saying, that's kind of like...
joe rogan
You get hit, and your jaw goes sideways, and your head twists, and your brain sloshes around in there.
And it's like a bolt of electricity.
It's like...
It's like everything shuts off.
It just shuts off.
But I was still conscious.
But I was like, oh, shit.
What is going on here?
Like, this is crazy.
And I was like, all right, get back up to your feet.
So the referee was counting.
He got to eight...
Or something like that.
I got up to my feet.
They dusted my gloves off, and the kid came at me again and hit me with an uppercut, another punch, and dropped me again, and then they stopped to fight.
So I was never unconscious, but that was the worst I'd ever been, like, beaten in a fight, where just knuckle sandwiches, sparks flying.
brian moses
Jesus, dude.
joe rogan
But that was the last time I ever fought.
But other than that, there was a lot of training sessions where you get kicked in the face or punched.
There's a lot of those.
It just happens.
And most of the time...
You know, if you get hit full blast, it's an accident.
unidentified
Can you get tested for CTE? Is that a thing now?
joe rogan
There's no age test for CTE? They have tested a few people while they're alive.
jamie vernon
I think they have to actually look at the brain to find the stuff.
joe rogan
So they have to drill a hole in your brain?
jamie vernon
Yeah, to prove, to have undeniable evidence.
brian moses
Okay, so you've got to die first.
joe rogan
Yeah, they like to do autopsies on people with CTE, and they...
We have crazy, atrophied brains.
brian moses
Right.
joe rogan
The brain of an 85-year-old person with Alzheimer's disease.
It's really nuts, man.
Like, their brains are fucked up.
There's all these weird proteins get developed from the concussions.
unidentified
It's fucked up.
brian moses
Like, what, like, calcifies the brain or something?
joe rogan
He does horrible things.
He eats away different parts of the brain.
There's like these little dark spots and holes.
unidentified
Right.
joe rogan
I'm not exactly sure what the mental process is.
But the medical process is, rather.
brian moses
That's like dead spots.
Like your brain's dead there.
joe rogan
It's when they always describe...
brian moses
There we go.
joe rogan
Okay, former NFL player confirmed his first diagnosis of CTE in living patient.
Yeah, we had talked about this before.
unidentified
Okay.
jamie vernon
So recent, yeah.
joe rogan
So they're able now to get some sort of an accurate reading of what your brain looks like and they can see the CTE without having to open you up.
But I think most of the time it's when a person's already dead.
Maybe their detection methods are getting better.
Listen, man, if you look at that brain, go back to that image when the guy's poking at the brain.
He's looking at the x-rays or the MRIs.
Just look at that.
Just look at that thing.
That, which is protected by a thin layer of bone, is where all of your fucking thinking takes place.
All of it.
It's an organ.
And you get punched in the face.
All of that is just like detaching from the walls, all the connective tissue.
What is that stuff called?
That real weird stuff that sits between, what kind of connective tissue is that described as?
Between the brain and the skull.
There's like a specific name for it.
brian moses
Oh, like that thin layer?
unidentified
Yeah.
joe rogan
And that stuff gets ripped.
It's tears-free.
brian moses
Which is when you get hit, you're saying?
joe rogan
Yeah.
Sometimes people develop internal bleeding after fights.
brian moses
Jesus, dude.
Yeah.
Combat sports.
joe rogan
Crazy.
brian moses
Oh, wait.
Another guy just died, right?
Another boxer?
joe rogan
Another boxer.
Two boxers died in a very short period of time.
Yeah.
Some people think that they should shorten fights now, that they should make them like eight rounds.
brian moses
What, because guys are just bigger and faster and stronger?
joe rogan
I mean, people just want to mitigate the thing.
brian moses
The damage, right?
joe rogan
Mitigate the damage, but if you did that in the high-level fights, you'd miss amazing fights.
unidentified
Right.
joe rogan
Like Deontay Wilder and Tyson Fury, if that wasn't 12 rounds...
When Wilder knocked him down in the 12th round and Fury rose from the dead, we would have missed one of the greatest moments in the history of the sport.
I mean, that was an amazing moment, man.
For two reasons.
One, because you see how fucking hard Deontay punches.
And two, that Wilder, who looked like he was dead to the world, rises up and then outboxes him for the rest of the round.
Survives.
Survives Wilder chasing him down.
And then outboxes him.
Then even tags Wilder.
And has Wilder covering up.
That whole round doesn't take place if you only fight eight rounds.
brian moses
Because it's supposed to be a test of endurance, too, right?
Not just strength and power.
joe rogan
For sure, yeah.
I mean, maybe if people were only fighting eight rounds, it would be worse because they would go harder.
brian moses
Exactly.
That's what I'm saying.
Yeah.
And there'd be worse fights because you'd exert all your energy in the first three, four, three, five rounds.
joe rogan
The only argument against that, though, is kickboxing because in kickboxing, they've always had less rounds.
Like kickboxing, like a Muay Thai fight, like a lot of times they'll fight three rounds or they'll fight five rounds.
brian moses
Yeah, but I mean, come on.
I mean, because that's insane.
I mean, you're talking about tree trunks hitting somebody, you know what I mean?
joe rogan
So awful.
brian moses
Yeah, that should only be three to five rounds.
joe rogan
You ever gotten a charley horse, like a really bad charley horse?
unidentified
Yeah.
brian moses
I had one recently where my whole leg stopped.
I was like, this is possible?
I didn't know it was possible.
Your whole leg stopped just from a charley horse.
joe rogan
There's levels to it, but the worst I ever saw was Jose Aldo fought Uriah Faber.
brian moses
Really?
joe rogan
And Jose Aldo was one of the most vicious leg kickers in the history of the sport.
Oh my god, his leg kicks were insane.
brian moses
What year was this?
I had to have seen this fight.
joe rogan
2012, maybe?
brian moses
This is one of the favorites.
He's becoming big at that point, 2012. Yes.
joe rogan
He was fighting for the title.
It was for the featherweight title, I believe.
Or the WEC title.
Boy, I feel like that was like...
Okay, this is what it was.
If I'm correct, I think it was...
I think I'm incorrect.
Is that a...
Is that in the WEC? Yes, it is.
So I think what this was was the UFC and the WEC had a pay-per-view, but it wasn't quite the UFC yet, so I don't think they called it anything.
I think they just called it Aldo vs.
Faber, and the UFC promoted it.
I think that was how they got around it.
Dude, that is Aldo in his prime, son.
That combination right there is called the duchy, where they throw a left hook to the body and a right leg kick.
But this just showed you how goddamn tough Uriah Faber is.
The impressive performance, for sure, offensively.
I mean, Aldo was in his full prime.
He was amazing.
But what's really impressive is how Uriah Faber was able to endure.
I mean, it was...
brian moses
How many rounds did this go?
joe rogan
It went the full distance.
Full five rounds.
What's that?
Yeah, then you see his legs afterwards.
Fucking crazy, man.
When did they start doing five-round main events for the UFC? That wasn't early?
brian moses
Or they grew to that?
joe rogan
I feel like I'm remembering.
It's been this way for quite a while, so it's hard to remember the exact year, but they didn't used to.
2011. Oh, so this is like this decade.
That's when they started going to five rounds for main events.
jamie vernon
UFC, Dana White says, all UFC main events to become five rounds.
joe rogan
Right.
But before that, championship fights.
Were championship fights always five rounds?
I'm trying to go back to the early, early days.
jamie vernon
At this point, five-round contests have been reserved for title fights only.
joe rogan
Yeah, that's what I said.
But when did they make them five rounds for title fights?
jamie vernon
Oh, before that.
joe rogan
When do they decide that a title fights five rounds and a regular fights three rounds?
I wonder if that was from the beginning.
Because you've got to remember, in the beginning days, they didn't even have time limits.
brian moses
Really?
joe rogan
No.
brian moses
You went until somebody got submitted?
joe rogan
They had a lot of fights where there was no time limits.
They were terrible.
brian moses
And you just fought until somebody tapped out?
joe rogan
Yeah.
brian moses
That's badass.
joe rogan
Especially in Japan.
Hoist Gracie had a fight with Sakuraba that went like 90 minutes.
brian moses
Damn.
joe rogan
Yeah.
brian moses
Yeah.
joe rogan
Why?
Well, in Japan, they had a different way of looking at these contests.
They would make crazy matchups, where you can't win by decision, you can only win by knockout.
Like Krokop, who's one of the greatest strikers in MMA ever.
Because he came from K1 kickboxing.
He was big in K1 kickboxing, then made his way over to Japan and started fighting in Pride.
And the first time he fought, he fought Vanderlei Silva.
It was like a big time striker too.
But they had a special rules match.
And the special rules was, if it went to a decision, it was a draw, no matter what.
If no one got knocked out, it was a draw.
And if they fought on the ground, it could only be like 15 seconds.
There's like some crazy rule.
brian moses
So it's basically just boxing or just kickboxing.
joe rogan
Yeah, I forget what the amount of time was, but there was a limited amount of time where they could fight on the ground.
brian moses
Yeah.
joe rogan
So I think...
brian moses
This must have been badass.
It's crazy.
unidentified
Yeah.
joe rogan
Because Crow Cop had the balls to step into MMA, like really with very little real MMA training.
It was mostly just as a kickboxer.
But then he started, as his career got further, he got better and better at stuff and takedowns.
So Japan would do that.
They would make fights where one guy wears a gi, the other guy doesn't.
They made fights with Bob Sapp, who was like 370 pounds, against a guy who was 200 pounds.
brian moses
Jesus Christ, he'd just sit on the guy.
joe rogan
He just smashes him.
They made a bunch of horrible mismatches.
They'd make Vanderlei Silva fight someone who was just deathly scared of him that was going to get pummeled into the ground.
And they did it just so you could watch Vanderlei smash somebody.
brian moses
Yeah, they sound like circus matches.
joe rogan
They had crazy fights, man.
They had crazy fights.
brian moses
And you went over there to call the fights or just to watch them?
joe rogan
No, no.
I only watched them here.
I've never been to Japan to watch fights other than the UFC. We did a UFC out there once.
That was fun.
They're really, really polite.
brian moses
Are they?
joe rogan
Yeah, in between, like, while the action's happening, they're sitting there, quiet and polite.
Like, you don't hear a lot of, like, screaming and crazy.
brian moses
Oh, I didn't know that.
joe rogan
Yeah, and then they get, they're very, they applaud, like, when things happen.
brian moses
Is that good for a broadcast?
joe rogan
It's interesting.
brian moses
Yeah, it's gotta be.
joe rogan
It's not bad.
It's not bad, but it is different.
brian moses
Yeah.
joe rogan
But, like, um...
brian moses
Like, how was, like, Tyson and Buster Douglas?
Like, was that loud?
joe rogan
I wonder.
brian moses
Right?
joe rogan
I wonder.
I don't remember.
brian moses
Like, all those fights over there.
Yeah, you're saying, like, the quiet.
I mean, that seems like it sucks.
joe rogan
But early on, they were super knowledgeable.
Like, early on in mixed martial arts, like, if you watched fights in Japan, if somebody passed guard, everybody would cheer.
brian moses
Okay.
joe rogan
Yes!
brian moses
Smart audience.
joe rogan
Yeah, they know exactly what's going on.
brian moses
Okay.
joe rogan
They're well-educated.
And if someone gets a mount, they start clapping.
and like this uh it's just a different completely different kind of reaction from the audience strange it's cool though it's like when you watch the ufc events from japan it's changing they're becoming a little bit more used to like being rowdy okay having a good time but in the old days you could hear the corners crystal clear so the corner the You're supposed to, yeah.
Press down with the butterfly, down with the butterfly.
Look out for the right arm.
We have the right arm.
Okay, keep that overhook.
Keep that overhook.
And you would hear that.
But he could hear it, too.
Everybody could hear it.
So the guy who you're fighting is hearing the advice against him.
brian moses
Oh, shit.
unidentified
Yeah, yeah, yeah.
Oh, wow.
joe rogan
Crystal clear, because there's no noise.
brian moses
I mean, that must make fights, I mean, like, yeah, just long and boring because they all know their strategy now.
joe rogan
No, no, no.
brian moses
No?
joe rogan
It's still crazy.
It's still crazy.
Just because someone knows you're trying to get their arm doesn't mean you're not going to get their arm.
It's still crazy.
It's still crazy.
But it was really interesting because you could hear everything.
You could hear a baby yelling out.
brian moses
It's up in Vegas.
Yeah, Vegas is like anybody screaming.
joe rogan
Yeah.
Well, you know what I find?
Sometimes the most enthusiastic crowds are the ones that don't get the UFC there very often.
So when it does get there, they get fucking super pumped.
I can't believe it's there live, you know?
brian moses
Like where?
joe rogan
I mean, there's a lot of cities where we've gone to.
Texas always has wild-ass UOCs.
brian moses
I mean, that makes sense.
joe rogan
That's a good place for UOCs.
But there's a lot of cities that just don't get it all the time.
Chicago.
Whenever we're in Chicago, it's big.
brian moses
You've never been to Chicago?
No, no.
joe rogan
Whenever we're in Chicago.
Yeah, I go to Chicago all the time.
brian moses
Those are big drinking towns, though.
joe rogan
Fuck yeah.
brian moses
I feel like any fighter's town or big drinking town, it doesn't matter what it is.
joe rogan
Yeah, so when we were talking about reparations earlier, I don't think they should give money to people.
brian moses
No, not individually.
That's what I'm saying.
joe rogan
But what I think they should do is definitely put money...
If you were a guy who was the manager of a city, let's look at that.
Let's look at the city like a city was a store.
And you're the manager of the store.
But the section over near the cleaning products, everything explodes all the time, and it's fucking dangerous, and mops are falling.
And you're like, everything's in order.
City's good.
Revenue looks good.
Wait, wait, wait.
The fuck are you talking about?
You're the manager?
What are you doing about this?
Look at this spot.
He's like, what?
Oh, no.
That's the cleaning products.
I mean, I don't know what to do about the cleaning products.
They explode.
The mops fall off the racks.
I just...
I wave my hands at it.
brian moses
Okay.
joe rogan
You would never tolerate that.
brian moses
No.
joe rogan
But a mayor, like that Pete Buttigieg guy, he could have all sorts of chaos going on in his town while he's out there campaigning for president.
Right?
brian moses
Yeah.
joe rogan
Nobody cares.
brian moses
Nobody cares.
joe rogan
You don't have to fix it.
You don't have to fix it.
brian moses
Yeah, but I mean, like, well, how do you feel like...
I'm saying it's an infrastructure problem, so how do you fix it?
I mean, so you're saying take, what, 15% or whatever percentage from, like, all these big corporations and then, like, they should be paying for...
joe rogan
I'm not even saying that.
brian moses
Right.
joe rogan
But what I was saying, though, if there was a direct line...
unidentified
Yeah.
joe rogan
I mean, I don't know if you even can do this anymore at this point in time, but if there was a direct way you could show this is the amount of money that came from slavery and they still have this amount of money.
brian moses
I mean, how are you finding that out, though?
joe rogan
I don't know.
brian moses
Yeah, there's no way.
Because, by the way, we can't even trace, like, you know, what, I don't know what plantation I was even at, you know what I mean, or where my family lineage is.
joe rogan
Well, there was a bunch of Nazi money that they traced.
They've traced Nazi money.
They've definitely done that.
They've definitely done that.
brian moses
That's a little more modern, though.
I mean, I feel like you're saying from 16 or 15 or 14 until, you know, 1860-something.
joe rogan
Yeah, we're dealing with, like, an 80-year gap.
brian moses
Yeah.
joe rogan
It'd be hard.
But if there was, like, some clearly established business that used to be a plantation.
brian moses
Right.
joe rogan
You know?
I don't know.
brian moses
Also, you know, Jewish people like to keep things in account, so you can trace that money.
joe rogan
Here's an unpopular thought.
This is what I think.
I think we should probably consider doing that with definitely areas that were impacted by slavery, but then also areas that have been impacted by economic crisis, too.
Not just the areas impacted by it.
We have to fix the bad spots in the country, all told.
Like, full stop.
We've got to fix those people that live in West Virginia, in the mountains.
brian moses
Yeah.
joe rogan
The fucking pill people.
brian moses
I mean, any poor community, yeah.
joe rogan
Any poor community, yeah.
But first, as a general acknowledgement of what this country was founded on, you've got to fix the areas that were fucked up by slavery.
The idea that you shouldn't...
Aren't we on a team together?
Okay, aren't we Team America?
Right.
Well, Team America would want all of its members to be in good shape.
We want less losers, right?
Here's the way you get less losers.
You provide more opportunity and you fix the spots that are fucked up.
brian moses
That comes with education, though, Joe.
It's not just education.
The literacy rate is crazy down there.
So you're saying idiots, you know what I mean?
joe rogan
No, no, no.
I'm not saying that they're idiots.
What I'm saying is they're stuck in a horrible place.
And that you're an idiot if you don't want to fix that.
brian moses
No, I get that.
joe rogan
I think it's just unpopular.
Here's what everybody wants to say.
We want to go to...
Out of Afghanistan and out of Iraq.
unidentified
We want to provide free health care for everyone.
joe rogan
We think that education should be free.
unidentified
I'm going to give you $1,000 a month.
joe rogan
But no one's saying Our whole thing, if we looked at it as an ecosystem, there's disease spots.
There's spots where it's not going well.
It's sick.
It's not doing well.
There's too much crime.
There's too much pollution.
There's too much environmental factors, whatever the factors are.
brian moses
Taking advantage of communities, right.
joe rogan
Whether it's environmental factors like the water in Flint, Michigan, or whether it is the crime-ridden streets of Baltimore or Philly, or wherever it is where it's bad.
Find spots where it's bad.
Those spots have to be addressed.
You don't just address it with law enforcement.
You've got to figure out a plan to slowly reinvigorate those spots where there's no severe poverty left.
brian moses
I like what you were saying earlier, even about the Italian cities, how they do the mom and pop thing.
They keep the money in the community, right?
They haven't sold out to the corporations who are just draining those communities.
joe rogan
Right, but the thing is, it's so tourism-based, they kind of don't have to.
The places where I'm going to, I went to the Malfi Coast, which is really popular for tourism.
You go to these places, there's no incentive.
Because there's people there all the time.
There's no incentive to give in to corporations.
brian moses
But instead of my parents having to go to Costco, maybe there's a hardware store down the street that has, like, I'm just going to go to Pete's because he's got cameras over here.
So you're keeping money in the community, that kind of thing.
Or like local grocers, that kind of thing.
Like, oh, hey, I'm not going to go to Vons or Rouse.
I'm just going to go to Edna's because she's got the cabbages I like.
joe rogan
Yeah, but what if you don't have that?
Then the only thing you got is Target or Walgreens.
Like, you just gotta deal with it.
brian moses
I mean, I'm saying, but that's, you know, that's their, yeah, that's those poor communities I'm saying.
Like, they're putting those there and they're just draining those people of just, like, you know, maybe getting opportunities that, you know, they can thrive in, like, Italian communities you're saying.
joe rogan
They also make it financially almost impossible to compete.
You can't sell things as cheap as they can.
They get better deals.
If you have a mom and pop shop and you're selling shovels or something like that, you can't sell them as Home Depot.
brian moses
We made these ourselves.
I don't give a fuck.
joe rogan
Those shovels would be like $5 less and that's all anybody cares about.
That's a problem with people, right?
brian moses
Well, then how do you build infrastructure then?
I mean, I'm saying incentivize parents because that's going to help those guys.
It's going to help the whole family figure out what do we need to do about Junior here or the little lady here and figure out how we're going to make them better members of society.
joe rogan
I like that idea.
I mean, I think that if we could figure out how much they would get and where the money would come from, and if it did work, it would be insane.
I mean, you think about how much money you have to spend on the criminal justice system, on healthcare system from assaults, and all sorts of things when people go bad, right?
And what would you save through incentivizing education and making sure that people get compensated financially for education success?
And then all of a sudden it starts booming and then you have way less crime.
That would be amazing.
brian moses
I'm saying, bro.
I mean, that almost feels like it's a no-brainer, you know?
I mean, if you're talking about infrastructure, that's infrastructure.
joe rogan
Hey, dude, why don't you run for president?
You got any other awesome ideas?
Because that's an awesome idea.
Look, I'm obviously a financial moron.
I don't know how much that would cost, but if it could be done, I think it would work.
brian moses
I hear it keeps saying, we need to have it, but it's like, what does that mean?
Is that an infrastructure thing, or are we just giving people money?
joe rogan
Isn't it a weird one?
Because it keeps coming up.
It's like it comes up, then it goes away.
It's like, hey, we never fucking sorted this out.
brian moses
I mean, I'll tell you this.
I remember on, it was Willie Hunter, he put on Twitter, he put his Venmo, he said, white people, if you want to give me reparations, my Venmo's open.
And he made like, I don't know, like a hundred bucks, and then we went on the road, and then he bought us Skittles, iced tea, and Hennessy.
joe rogan
Reparation money.
brian moses
You can't do that with the community, man.
joe rogan
Do you ever see when Hotep Jesus walked into Starbucks and demanded his reparation coffee?
He's an interesting character.
I've had him on my podcast.
There was a Starbucks that got busted for telling these young black guys that they had to leave.
And it became a big deal where they developed a new policy where they're never going to just tell people to leave.
And so the problem with that is they'll be like, what about homeless people?
Now you've got homeless people that have liked to hang around Starbucks and the policy is they can't even tell them to leave.
Right.
brian moses
It's like all these black people and homeless people, now Starbucks.
joe rogan
The story was really, it was big in the news that Starbucks was racist.
So Starbucks was like apologizing publicly.
So while that was going on, Hotep Jesus was like, I'm going to go get some free coffee.
He went into coffee and he goes, I hear I can get my reparations coffee.
I'm here to get coffee for free because I heard y'all were racist.
And so the lady's like, yeah, I heard that.
And she pours him a cup of coffee and she gives him a cup of coffee.
brian moses
I heard that.
I love that.
joe rogan
She heard that there was something racist going on.
brian moses
Yeah, so she's giving her free coffee.
joe rogan
It's hilarious.
brian moses
Good shit, Hotel Jesus.
joe rogan
It's hilarious.
But it's, you know, Starbucks, like anybody can go in there now.
brian moses
Yeah, but it's all, you know, it's whatever coffee.
You're still, you're a big coffee guy.
I'm not a big, I'm a tea, I'm a black tea guy.
joe rogan
Dude, I love coffee.
We got a new coffee from Onnit called Fuck Yeah Coffee.
I'm scared to try it.
Apparently, did you see it?
Did you see the bag?
jamie vernon
I have some, I've tried it.
joe rogan
It's fucking ridiculous.
But it's got caffeine crystals in it.
jamie vernon
Yeah, I was trying to, I didn't know what that meant.
joe rogan
How much caffeine does it have?
jamie vernon
I couldn't, I just made a French press of it, so I couldn't tell.
joe rogan
Were you off the wall?
jamie vernon
I, I think just like weed, I don't think caffeine affects me like normal people does.
joe rogan
Jamie's a robot, dude.
Jamie's a robot.
Jamie takes edibles, they don't do a damn thing.
brian moses
Really, Jamie?
joe rogan
Oh my god.
brian moses
I've tried to OD. Have you?
jamie vernon
Yeah.
joe rogan
Do not get into an edible eating contest with Jamie.
brian moses
Yo, that's a million dollar idea.
jamie vernon
He's a robot.
brian moses
Oh, you'll kill people.
joe rogan
He's a robot.
He just throws them down.
They don't do a goddamn thing to him.
I don't know who it is.
jamie vernon
One out of 20 times may be a small effect, but yeah.
joe rogan
Yeah, but like a small effect for like 500 milligrams.
brian moses
He's got good genes.
He's got really good genes.
joe rogan
You took a thousand?
jamie vernon
I took a thousand, yeah, and played some video games, and four hours later I was like, alright, I'm a little tired, I'll stop.
brian moses
You got, yeah, you got like that gene, there's like a gene that, actually, let's go back to HIV, there's a gene that some people have, like you can't get it.
joe rogan
Yes, there's some people that can't get HIV. Isn't there a movie about that where they use a guy because he's got the one gene?
Oh, what is that goddamn movie?
I feel like I've seen it recently.
Oh, I did.
Okay, here's what it is.
It's called The Man Who Shot Hitler and Then Bigfoot.
And I saw it recently.
It's a Sam Elliott movie.
brian moses
Whoa, okay.
joe rogan
Dude, it is an interesting movie.
brian moses
It was good.
joe rogan
I enjoyed it.
I watched it on a flight.
And I downloaded it because I was like, what is this?
What is the man who shot Hitler and then Bigfoot?
But I'm a big Sam Elliott fan.
And it got good reviews.
Love the mustache.
So, I said, okay.
I'll give it a shot.
It's really interesting.
brian moses
Okay.
joe rogan
I mean, they're not hiding it.
He shot Bigfoot and then Hitler.
The man who killed Hitler and then Bigfoot.
brian moses
When did this come out?
joe rogan
I don't know.
And he can't get HIV. The thing was that he had a very specific gene.
They brought him back to service because after he'd killed Hitler, he's an older man.
But he had a very specific gene that made him immune to this disease that Bigfoot had, and that Bigfoot was sick.
And that his virus was killing all the wildlife that was anywhere near him.
And there was a dead zone around Bigfoot and they were tracking him.
And they had to have someone go in there and kill Bigfoot.
So they bring in Sam Elliott when he's like 70 years old.
Spoiler alert.
To go in and kill Bigfoot.
It's fucking cool.
I enjoyed it, man.
I mean, it's not...
It's not, you know, 2001 A Space Odyssey, but it's a fucking cool movie.
brian moses
It's definitely a B movie.
I mean, damn, I didn't know...
jamie vernon
Is that Bigfoot?
joe rogan
Where?
jamie vernon
This little shadow thing?
joe rogan
No, they see him pretty up close.
I mean, maybe they don't show it in the preview, but it's pretty up close.
It's gnarly.
jamie vernon
Is it?
joe rogan
I don't want to say too much.
brian moses
Yeah, don't...
Yeah, completely spoil it.
But he does kill Hitler.
joe rogan
Yeah, well, killed Hitler and then Bigfoot.
It says it in the title.
brian moses
People really want to kill Hitler.
That's like a thing that movies are doing, huh?
joe rogan
Yeah.
Yeah.
You know, I was watching a video of Hitler tweaking.
Hitler's on speed, you know, he did a lot of speed.
brian moses
Yeah.
joe rogan
He's at the 1936 Olympics and he's sitting in the audience like this.
Like, tweaking.
brian moses
Oh, it's like an actual footage of him.
joe rogan
Yeah, it's actual footage.
Apparently somebody had taken it and sped it up and made it unrealistic.
Just to show, like, make it look like he's really, really, really tweaking.
Yeah.
And then...
It was hard for some people to find the actual speed footage, but this is the actual speed footage, they believe.
So he's just rocking back and forth, tweaking.
brian moses
Wow, he does have crack hit energy.
That's amazing.
joe rogan
100% tweaking.
So, I mean, there's no way you rock like that if you're not tweaking.
brian moses
He's like, fidgety too?
joe rogan
Where's his left hand?
What is happening there?
brian moses
He's touching the glove.
joe rogan
His left hand's got a glove and he's rubbing a gun on his dick.
brian moses
Go back to that.
joe rogan
Let me see that again.
Replay, please.
Look at this.
How weird is that, man?
How weird is it to see that guy?
Go full screen.
brian moses
So he jerks off with his gun.
Like masturbates in a way.
joe rogan
He's literally...
I'm just joking about a gun.
I don't think it's really a gun.
But he's definitely got his hand on his dick.
He's like a guy who's freaking out.
He might as well be a meth head, right?
brian moses
How do they let this guy like...
I mean...
joe rogan
Look at him.
He's got something he's touching his dick with.
See it?
brian moses
Yeah, exactly.
I mean, you said good.
It looks like one.
jamie vernon
His hand's curled over.
It does look like he's got something in his hand.
joe rogan
Dude, he's rubbing something on his pecker.
jamie vernon
Do you have a cane?
brian moses
Yeah.
joe rogan
Oh, he's rubbing his cane on his dick.
jamie vernon
Maybe he's holding like that.
brian moses
Oh, yeah.
joe rogan
Maybe?
Is that it?
I don't know.
But look, go towards the end of it, and we'll pause when you can see the hand right next to his dick.
It's so weird.
jamie vernon
It is moving.
joe rogan
No, watch.
Watch when you see his hand.
Get that bar out of the bottom.
There it is.
brian moses
Over the pants handjob that he's given himself?
joe rogan
Look, he's got something in his hand.
And that something in his hand is in between his legs.
brian moses
You said cane.
I mean, you might be right.
jamie vernon
I'm going to Google cane.
brian moses
I mean, you were joking about the gun, but I mean, it could be.
joe rogan
It could be a cane.
brian moses
It could be a Ruger.
joe rogan
It might be a gun.
I think it looks more like a cane now that I'm looking at it.
But either way.
brian moses
Yeah, he's definitely rubbing his dick.
unidentified
Imagine if Trump was on TV just tweaking, fucking tweaking hard.
joe rogan
Oh, fuck China.
Fuck these fucking trade relations.
Fuck Jeffrey Epstein.
Fuck all these assholes.
Just tweaking.
Just tweaking.
Could you imagine?
brian moses
He knows Jeff, right?
Jeff Epstein.
joe rogan
Apparently he knew him.
brian moses
Okay.
joe rogan
Apparently they had a falling out over a mansion.
I was reading a story about it.
brian moses
Oh, like when he sold him?
joe rogan
No, they were both trying to buy some super exclusive property that was like the crown jewel of Palm Beach.
It was this six-acre mansion that overlooks the ocean.
It's on the beach.
It's beautiful.
brian moses
It's a hell of a plantation for girls.
joe rogan
Well, it's also one of those things where, like, if you're a part of these communities, there's certain properties that are iconic, and to own them would elevate your social status.
Like, did you hear Trump bought the Mansion de Chimabon?
brian moses
Okay, yeah, some elite shit.
joe rogan
It had, like, a name to it.
The place is...
Off the charts.
If you see it on TV, you get a sense.
brian moses
That's not it.
joe rogan
What is this?
brian moses
It's a cane.
jamie vernon
Apparently he's known to having a famous walking stick.
brian moses
I thought you were showing Epstein and Trump.
joe rogan
He did have the cane.
What was the house?
Google the house that they competed about.
Trump and him competed over a house.
He's got eight waterfalls.
Well, it's really old, I think.
brian moses
Fourteen-year-olds in every room.
joe rogan
It's like if someone was a super billionaire character.
Right.
I don't know, name some famous man.
Like the Hearst Castle.
The Hearst Castle for sale.
They'd all be trying to get it.
Trump and Epstein's friendship reportedly soured after they fought over a $41 million Palm Beach mansion.
Two weeks after the home's auction, cops received a tip about underage women in Epstein's house.
brian moses
Can I say?
joe rogan
Oh, shit.
brian moses
That was Candyland.
joe rogan
Yeah.
Let's see if they have pictures of the place.
brian moses
That's like a Taj Mahal.
Look at that thing.
joe rogan
Yeah.
That's it.
brian moses
Yeah.
That thing's gorgeous.
joe rogan
Dude, it's dope as fuck.
The images are insane.
That's it right there.
Click on that.
Look at that place.
brian moses
So that's...
joe rogan
You get it.
They're fighting over who's got the biggest dick on Palm Beach.
If you own that motherfucker, you bought that place, you're King Baller.
Everybody wants to have the party at your house.
Right?
Yeah.
So I guess there's just a few of these type of mansions down in Palm Beach, but there's a lot of them.
I mean, there's, you know, I don't know what the number is, but there's a good, solid number of them where these guys are competing against each other.
brian moses
That's fucking incredible.
joe rogan
It's sort of like...
brian moses
It's like the White House.
joe rogan
Well, it's sort of like those houses in Malibu.
Like, there's some houses in Malibu where you look at, like, there's one crazy mansion overlooking the sea and then another one next to it.
brian moses
Joe, I don't live in your neighborhood, Joe.
joe rogan
I don't live there either, man.
brian moses
Oh, real shit?
joe rogan
They mostly burned to a crisp.
unidentified
Okay.
joe rogan
It did.
I'm sorry.
It's crazy.
You fly over it now, it's like, just so many houses.
unidentified
Just charred.
joe rogan
Just charred.
Yeah.
But those houses where the people do live with that kind of a view, I mean, those are super, super valuable.
And in Florida, in West Palm Beach, apparently, it's super, super wealthy.
brian moses
Yeah.
joe rogan
Yeah.
brian moses
$135 million?
I mean, property.
joe rogan
$135 million amazing Italian Renaissance-style mega mansion in Palm Beach, Florida.
If you buy that, you're King Cock.
You're just swinging dick all over.
Come on in!
brian moses
By the way, why did God make the dick size?
Why is that?
joe rogan
To make you work harder.
unidentified
Really?
brian moses
That's really the reason.
joe rogan
Yeah, if you had a giant hog, you'd be just waiting around, waiting for girls to come to you.
brian moses
I'm saying, but he can make dicks all the same size, and there'd be no competition.
joe rogan
No, no, no.
Can't make ears the same size either.
Sorry.
Not noses, not eyebrows, no uniformity, no eugenics.
brian moses
Okay.
joe rogan
Yeah.
You gotta work harder.
You got a little dick.
Gotta figure out how to get by in this world.
brian moses
Like your God's brain.
joe rogan
And those big dick dudes, man, they just don't have the motivation to hardly ever get anything done.
brian moses
Right.
joe rogan
They're just too busy slinging dick.
You skirt around them.
You pass them in the game.
Take them on the inside turn.
brian moses
I didn't know that.
joe rogan
That's what it is.
brian moses
Alright.
I don't know, man.
joe rogan
Look, it doesn't make sense that there are sloths.
Okay?
Why is that fair?
brian moses
Yeah.
I bet they love their shit, though.
I bet they love it.
joe rogan
They fucking hate it.
brian moses
Do you think so?
joe rogan
Yeah, they fucking hate it.
unidentified
Come on.
joe rogan
They're always getting jacked by eagles.
You know how embarrassing it is when the main thing that eats you is a bird?
And you're a mammal?
How often does that happen?
If you're not a mouse, it's not a field mouse and an owl.
brian moses
That's hilarious, by the way.
I didn't know, yeah, that everybody talks shit about sloths in the animal kingdom.
joe rogan
Bro, they all talk shit on sloths.
Sloths move so slow that mold grows on them.
brian moses
Oh, that's gross.
It's crazy.
That's how lazy they are?
And they just can't be any better?
joe rogan
They just move real slow.
That's just what they do.
And mold grows on them.
brian moses
That's gross.
joe rogan
Yeah, I was at a wildlife sanctuary in Silmar, I think it is.
I take my kids there.
And they got a sloth.
Oh my god, so cute.
And I'm like, why is this thing moldy?
And they're like, oh, it grows, like moss grows on it.
Like a green fungus, like a tree.
Like, look at that.
Look at all that shit.
brian moses
Oh my god!
joe rogan
That's moss growing on them.
Because they're so goddamn slow that plants can grow on them.
brian moses
I mean, is that healthy?
I mean, it looks great, by the way, guys.
It just works.
joe rogan
It's almost like camouflage.
brian moses
Yeah.
joe rogan
But one of the main things that eat them in...
brian moses
Is it moss?
joe rogan
Is this eagle called...
Fuck, what is it called?
Harpy eagle.
brian moses
Harpy eagle.
joe rogan
Thank you.
Yeah, it's a giant eagle that lives in South America that just fucks up sloths.
brian moses
And just eats sloths.
Man, sloth meat.
joe rogan
And monkeys, too.
It eats monkeys, too.
But look at that.
It's carrying a sloth.
brian moses
Damn.
I mean, well, yeah.
That's not a big sloth, though.
joe rogan
No, but it's a big fucking eagle.
brian moses
That's a bear, yeah.
I mean, look at those thighs.
joe rogan
Yeah, dude.
That thing is all power.
All power.
And I think that's the biggest eagle.
brian moses
Yeah, the harpy?
joe rogan
I think that's the biggest eagle.
brian moses
I mean, damn.
That's majestic.
I mean, those are small sloths.
Are these like baby sloths that it eats?
Not like full grown?
joe rogan
No, they eat a sloth sloth.
brian moses
Sloth sloth.
joe rogan
They'll eat anybody.
Whatever.
I mean, the sloth can't really defend itself.
jamie vernon
The armadillo.
joe rogan
Oh my God, they eat an armadillo?
unidentified
Really?
joe rogan
Look how it's crushing the armadillo's body.
How crazy is that?
How crazy is how it can crush the armadillo's body with its claws?
That's one claw.
It's got it with one hand.
It's one-handing that thing.
jamie vernon
What would it do to an arm, a human arm?
joe rogan
Oh, fuck you up.
We'd tear your meat apart.
We're so doughy, man.
brian moses
Yeah.
joe rogan
We're so, like, so mushy.
It would just tear your arm apart.
Just clawing onto your arm.
That's why those dudes wear those crazy arm sleeves when they have a falcon on their arm.
brian moses
Right, because it would just...
Yeah, because we're really easy to slice up.
joe rogan
Yeah.
brian moses
We have no armor.
joe rogan
Look at that fucking thing with a rabbit.
Ooh, look at its legs.
brian moses
That thing's badass.
joe rogan
It is a beast.
brian moses
Yeah, it doesn't look real.
joe rogan
That one's got a little band on its leg.
It's been captured.
So they're either...
Is that a carving?
No.
That's real?
So they leave the...
Oh, they leave the rabbit there and it swoops in to get the rabbit?
It's hard to see what the fuck it is because of all those watermarks.
It's so obnoxious with the watermarks.
unidentified
Protect your shit.
joe rogan
I get it, bro.
brian moses
What is that thing right there?
Is that a fox that's about to eat?
Yeah.
joe rogan
Oh yeah, it is.
Yeah, they eat foxes.
unidentified
Damn!
joe rogan
No, it looks like they're fighting.
The fox is fighting with the eagle over a rabbit.
brian moses
Okay, they're fighting over food.
Alright.
Fox fighting over a rabbit.
joe rogan
Yeah, the eagle's stealing.
brian moses
Yeah, just eat the fox.
joe rogan
Eagle grabs sloth from tree.
brian moses
Oh, is that the sloth?
joe rogan
You want to see a video of it?
brian moses
Yes.
joe rogan
You should watch a video of the sloth because it is kind of fucked up.
Look at that.
brian moses
Is that a deer?
jamie vernon
That's not real.
brian moses
Is that a buck?
Oh, it's a bald eagle.
joe rogan
That's fake.
One thing they do do, though, is they pull...
They do do.
Sometimes you do have to say do and then do again.
One thing they do as well is they grab goats and fling them off the side of cliffs.
You ever see that?
brian moses
No.
Oh, that's hilarious.
They just sling them off?
joe rogan
Yeah, they grab them.
jamie vernon
That looks more real, but I don't know.
brian moses
Why do they do that?
joe rogan
Oh, yeah, that's real, bro.
That's probably real.
But there's video of it.
They do it to kill them so they can eat them.
brian moses
Okay, I was going to say, yeah, that makes perfect sense.
I was wondering why they're just doing it.
joe rogan
They're just assholes.
unidentified
Yeah, I was just kicking them off the cliff.
brian moses
That would be hilarious and perfect.
joe rogan
Well, that's what cats do.
You know, house cats.
brian moses
Yeah.
joe rogan
You ever see the numbers of how many animals house cats kill per year?
brian moses
You're kidding.
joe rogan
It's in the billions.
brian moses
You're kidding.
joe rogan
B. B. Billion.
brian moses
B. I. Cats kill other animals by what they're like.
joe rogan
Watch this.
Watch this.
Yeah, we'll show that right after this.
See, look, he's dragging the goat off the cliff and then drops it to have it smash against the rocks.
Look at that.
brian moses
Jesus!
joe rogan
I mean, look at that.
That is dark.
And then it hits the ground and then the eagle swoops down and starts eating it.
So it's like planning on throwing this thing off.
It understands the consequences.
It understands that that thing can't fly.
So it's not just grabbing it, swooping down and grabbing it.
brian moses
It broke its neck.
joe rogan
It's throwing it into the rocks.
unidentified
Yeah.
joe rogan
Throwing it off the cliff so he can eat it.
brian moses
That's brilliant.
joe rogan
Fucking crazy.
brian moses
That's brilliant.
joe rogan
What was the other thing we were just talking about?
The numbers.
Okay.
The sheer numbers of birds that house cats kill.
Just house cats.
Just meow out in the backyard.
brian moses
How?
joe rogan
Just murder.
brian moses
Oh, they murder?
Okay.
joe rogan
Murder death.
Just jump up and grab birds.
I had this cat.
Her name was Spaz.
She was a fluff ball cat.
And she would bring me these birds.
1.4 billion to as many as 3.7 billion birds in the continental U.S. each year.
brian moses
Damn.
joe rogan
Cats kill from 1.4 billion to as many as 3.7 billion birds.
Just birds.
That's not mice.
That's not squirrels.
Just birds.
Just birds.
I had a cat when I was growing up and he killed a squirrel and was walking across the street with it in his mouth.
It was one of the weirdest things I've ever seen.
brian moses
Did he eat it or just like just carry it in his mouth?
joe rogan
He just, his name, we called him Kitty.
We were very unoriginal when we were kids.
I had a name for him that was like the Black Panther in a Conan the Barbarian book but everybody fucking gave me the veto on it.
They never called him it.
They just called him Kitty.
So we eventually just wound up calling him Kitty.
Very South Park.
He was walking across the street with a squirrel in between his legs.
So he had the squirrel by the mouth, by its neck rather, in his mouth.
And he was walking with the squirrel underneath him, just dragging it with it in between his legs.
And it was almost as big as him.
unidentified
That's fucking nuts.
joe rogan
I'm looking at this and I'm like, what a creepy little thing I live with.
brian moses
Because squirrels have like plague, don't they?
joe rogan
No.
brian moses
Yeah, I think it's like that squirrel plague.
joe rogan
Squirrel plague?
brian moses
Black Plague, right?
joe rogan
Wait a minute.
brian moses
No, squirrels.
This was like last decade, I think.
Or maybe even this decade.
joe rogan
What's the squirrel plague?
brian moses
Yeah, there's like a Black Plague for squirrels.
joe rogan
Really?
brian moses
Yeah, dude.
joe rogan
Well, I know there was a couple.
I think it was a man and a woman.
brian moses
Right.
joe rogan
Here we go.
jamie vernon
Los Angeles.
unidentified
Whoa.
brian moses
There we go.
joe rogan
Plague-infested squirrel caused a closure of a California campground this week after it was found during a routine trapping, Los Angeles County health officials confirmed.
This is 2013. Actually, don't ever touch dead squirrels.
brian moses
Bubonic plague.
joe rogan
Bubonic plague.
brian moses
Holy shit.
joe rogan
I think that's what those people got that ate that marmot liver.
brian moses
Ugh.
joe rogan
There was some people that got sick and died from the plague really recently, like within the last couple of months, because they had eaten a raw marmot liver.
A marmot is like some kind of a rodent.
And they had killed this marmot and ate its liver.
brian moses
And this is here in the States?
joe rogan
Mm-hmm.
brian moses
Fuck.
jamie vernon
Mongolia.
joe rogan
It was in Mongolia?
unidentified
I thought it was in America.
jamie vernon
Mongolian couple died.
joe rogan
Right, but they didn't die doing it in America?
brian moses
Thank God.
jamie vernon
To make sure that they didn't come here and get it, but this says...
joe rogan
I thought the story was they died over here, and they had come over here and tried to reenact some sort of a ritualistic meal where they eat this raw liver, and they ate this raw liver and got the plague, son.
Does it say where it happened?
jamie vernon
I think it was there.
joe rogan
Okay.
brian moses
It's like certain countries in Africa, too, that you can eat human, right?
Cannibal, like...
joe rogan
Legally?
brian moses
I don't know if it's legal.
I know there was a story I read on it or something like that about these places in Africa, yeah, you can eat human.
joe rogan
This is ultimate stoner talk.
unidentified
Yeah.
brian moses
It really is.
Sorry about that.
No, no.
I read about it.
I'd be reading.
joe rogan
Well, do you remember the...
I don't know if you ever saw this.
There's a Vice piece on Liberia.
brian moses
I think that might have been it then.
Yeah.
joe rogan
Vice guy to travel in Liberia where they were saying this guy who was...
His name was General Butt Naked.
And General Butt Naked, he had become a preacher later in life, but when he was younger...
brian moses
Preacher Butt Naked.
joe rogan
Yeah, when he was younger, he would go to war totally naked, and he would shoot people.
brian moses
Oh, that was in Beasts of No Nation.
joe rogan
Was it?
brian moses
Yeah.
You see Beast of No Nation?
joe rogan
No.
brian moses
Okay.
It's with Idris Elba.
He plays like an Idi Amin or a...
What's that thing called?
Kony?
Whatever it was.
Anyway, he's got these child soldiers, basically.
And yeah, they just go from tribe to tribe and just kill.
And they just genocide.
Just kill a bunch of tribes.
joe rogan
How about...
Whatever happened with that?
brian moses
Yeah.
joe rogan
Kony.
Remember that?
brian moses
I think he's still like a warlord.
joe rogan
But do you remember how it was like this gigantic movement and it was this big thing and everybody was talking about it and then this one guy in San Diego that was a part of starting it, he wound up being naked, wandering around the street, masturbating in front of people and some crazy shit.
brian moses
Yeah, that made him not credible.
joe rogan
Did I make that up?
He was doing something along those lines, right?
He basically had a schizophrenic break or a psychotic break.
I'm not a doctor.
Something went wrong.
Something went wrong.
He blew a fuse.
brian moses
But that's the cat, yeah.
They called him Tripod in that, but I think you're talking about the same guy.
When he went to war, like as a child soldier, yeah, he was butt naked.
joe rogan
I think it's a different guy, because this guy, his name literally was General Butt Naked, but I think there's a bunch of them that did that.
But anyway, on the Liberia show, he said that he busted these street cart guys selling human meat, and he said he knew because he knew what meat tastes like, because he had eaten it.
brian moses
Oh.
What the fuck?
joe rogan
So he knew that it was human meat.
He knew it wasn't pork.
He knew it wasn't beef.
brian moses
Liberia is crazy, by the way.
joe rogan
Bro.
brian moses
I mean, like, they have slaves out there.
joe rogan
Just imagine the gall of going to the cops and saying, that man is selling human meat.
brian moses
Well, how do you know?
joe rogan
Well, because I've eaten it.
brian moses
I mean, fuck.
joe rogan
Fuck.
brian moses
Would you eat human?
joe rogan
It depends on what you have to do to stay alive, right?
brian moses
Right.
joe rogan
Like, where are you?
What's that?
Like, if you were in that movie, Alive, when they're scooping the dead dude's butt with a broken spoon.
brian moses
Yeah, like Donner Pass or something like that.
joe rogan
What are you going to do?
brian moses
I'm saying like as a foodie.
Like, you know, you go to like a restaurant.
unidentified
As a foodie?
brian moses
That's what I'm saying.
Like, if they cook it up nice, you know what I mean?
You get some Tabasco.
joe rogan
You're probably eating a dude's foot.
You got foot soup.
brian moses
Or dick soup.
A dick burger.
joe rogan
Well, there was one guy.
Okay, here's another.
There was one guy story.
There was one guy that I had read about where online he requested that someone kill him and eat him.
brian moses
Damn, that's his death wish.
joe rogan
Yeah, and I think it was in Germany.
brian moses
Of course.
joe rogan
So they met together, got together with a guy.
The guy cut his dick off, and they cooked it, and they ate it together.
He ate part of his dick, and then the guy wound up killing him.
brian moses
Wait, wait, wait.
So this guy was alive, and they cooked and ate his dick?
unidentified
Mm-hmm.
brian moses
Oh, they ate his dick together?
joe rogan
They did it together.
brian moses
That's so German.
joe rogan
Dude, it was this guy's idea.
He requested it on, like, Craigslist or one of those things.
brian moses
Let's cut my dick off and then eat it.
joe rogan
We're going to eat it, and then you're going to kill me.
unidentified
Wow.
joe rogan
He wanted the guy to eat him, too.
I think the guy did eat some of them, but there was a question as to whether or not...
brian moses
I mean, a person's a lot to eat.
joe rogan
How do you prosecute that?
What do you do?
Like, if someone said, I want you to cut my dick off, and you cut their dick off.
I want to cook it and eat it, and then you both cook it and eat it.
I want you to kill me and eat me.
Okay.
And the guy kills him and eats him.
unidentified
Like...
joe rogan
What is that?
It's not a regular murder.
jamie vernon
I think I'm reading the same story.
brian moses
Is that manslaughter?
jamie vernon
And they filmed it.
brian moses
Oh, they filmed it?
joe rogan
Yeah.
Yeah, they filmed it.
brian moses
Oh, but like him cutting his dick off and then eating it?
joe rogan
Yeah, I think they filmed the whole murder.
brian moses
What's the threshold?
Oh, so it's like a snuff film.
joe rogan
Yeah.
jamie vernon
Sort of, yeah.
joe rogan
Yeah.
But the guy requested it.
brian moses
That's gnarly.
joe rogan
Yeah.
Pull it up so we can read it.
jamie vernon
This one's from 2003. I'm not sure if it's the same one.
joe rogan
Yeah, that's the one.
Yeah.
Yep, a 45-year-old in Berlin.
brian moses
I offer myself to you unless you're dying for my live body.
joe rogan
Wow!
See, yeah, he posted a personal ad saying, Seeking well-built man, 18 to 30 years old for slaughter.
Whoa.
brian moses
For slaughter.
joe rogan
He wrote, I offer myself to you and will let you dine from my live body, not butchery, dining.
Whoever really, all caps, wants to do it, will need a real, all caps, victim, all caps, exclamation point.
The two started swapping increasingly explicit emails, and on March 9, 2001, Braden took a day off work, never to return.
He sold everything he owned, including his treasured sports car, wiped his computer hard drive, and bought a one-way ticket to Castle near Frankfurt.
Armin met him off the train.
They bought painkillers at a chemical shop and headed back to the house.
At first, Brandon's got cold feet and wanted to return to Berlin.
Muse said, but he reconsidered, swallowed painkillers and medication to make him sleepy, he said.
Now, do it.
Muse set the video camera rolling and went to work with a kitchen knife.
brian moses
Wow, dude.
joe rogan
We went into the bedroom.
How do you say his name?
brian moses
The bathroom.
joe rogan
The bathroom.
How do you say his name?
Muse?
M-E-I? Muse?
Muse told the police...
Brandis lay in the bath so the blood could flow away, and Brandis slowly began to lose consciousness.
Muse passed the time reading a Star Trek novel.
When the Berliner finally passed out, Muse cut his throat.
He was consumed over a number of months.
The 30 kilos of flesh he had put in his freezer.
Mews went on the internet in search of a new victim.
brian moses
Oh, so he became a taste for this.
joe rogan
Frustrated that he could only find people looking for cannibal role plays, Mews began boasting about Brandis.
Someone from the chat room informed the federal police who swooped in on Armand Mews' house in December, 10th last, surprising the coy cannibal and startling the unsuspecting neighbors.
brian moses
Now that's that sociopath-psychopath thing you were saying earlier.
joe rogan
Yeah.
brian moses
Because are you a psychopath or are you a sociopath at that point?
I mean, how do you not feel empathy even for a guy who's telling you to kill you, but you're just looking to kill somebody?
Because you have a taste for blood now.
joe rogan
It became his thing, right?
brian moses
Yeah.
joe rogan
I bet whatever he did during the day was boring.
And I bet that, as psychotic as it is, was exciting.
And then he became...
brian moses
A serial killer.
joe rogan
Chasing that feeling.
Yeah.
What is it, Jamie?
What's the matter?
He's got it.
jamie vernon
I found a website that had seven or something interesting facts about this guy.
This is the first one.
brian moses
He sauteed and ate the penis with his victim.
joe rogan
Yeah, that was the story, right?
jamie vernon
Yeah.
joe rogan
Yeah, they cooked it together.
brian moses
Sauteed it?
Wow.
joe rogan
Look at that image.
That's not really how it went down.
Yeah, that's enough, though.
brian moses
Does it say how they sauteed the penis?
jamie vernon
It's too chewy for either of them to enjoy, so they proceeded to fry it up with some of his flesh and fat and a bit of garlic.
unidentified
Oh, dude.
brian moses
That's hard.
I mean, that's not hard.
joe rogan
I guess it's like you're worried about the end, right?
And you just say, I'm going to take control.
I'm going to bring the end on.
And here it is.
We're eating my dick.
This is over.
brian moses
We're eating my dick.
joe rogan
This is not going to last.
brian moses
Eat my dick.
joe rogan
And then he goes into the tub to die out from warm water with his dick.
Dickhole bleeding out.
Just really insane stuff.
brian moses
I mean, to live through that, by the way.
joe rogan
Well, you've got to think that there's just such a wide range of crazy people.
brian moses
Right.
joe rogan
And there's some crazy people like that that want to be eaten, and some crazy people want to eat you.
And if they find each other...
brian moses
That's the beauty of the internet.
You can do that now.
You couldn't do that back in the Donner era or even the 90s when the Brazilian soccer team ate each other.
joe rogan
How long do you think that guy could have kept it together?
If he just ate that one dude before he could find another guy that would let him eat him.
If that was his thing, would he just start murdering people?
brian moses
Right, exactly.
joe rogan
Would he go, Dexter?
brian moses
And that's what I'm saying.
Bad people, yeah.
That's fucking terrifying.
I mean, just to go there and kill the guy.
Read a Star Trek novel, by the way.
joe rogan
While the guy's bleeding out in a tub after you ate his dick.
brian moses
That's some psychopath shit.
joe rogan
Picking dick out of your teeth.
jamie vernon
Not that I'm not sharing with you guys.
There are pictures of this online.
joe rogan
Oh, no, no, no.
Don't do this.
I don't need this.
What?
brian moses
I don't want to say, yeah.
joe rogan
So dick is too chewy.
I was like, don't do this.
Whatever you're going to do, don't do this.
jamie vernon
It said the jurors had to seek therapy after they watched the video.
joe rogan
Oh, of course they did.
brian moses
Of course they did, man.
joe rogan
Of course they did.
Imagine being a juror and they force you to watch that video.
brian moses
Yeah, I don't want to see you eat a dick.
joe rogan
And you're the only ones watching it, right?
Because you've got to think that it's not like they're broadcasting it on television.
brian moses
I mean, on Fear Factor, you guys did it like a, it was always like the big thing of like eating somebody's penis, right?
Or something.
Something's penis.
joe rogan
Basically every day.
brian moses
Yeah, yeah, yeah.
joe rogan
Bull penis.
One time they had to eat dicks.
Right.
Yeah, they had to eat like bull dick, deer dick, pig dick, something like that.
I forget what the dick were, but it was a bunch of different kinds of dicks.
brian moses
No human dick.
joe rogan
It's just something so strange.
I had a bit about it.
Never in my life did I think that I'd be standing in front of a girl with a plate full of animal dicks going, you can do it.
Hang in there.
Keep going.
Keep going.
Control your mind.
Control your mind.
Coaching them through it.
brian moses
Nice.
Through eating pig penis.
Pig dick.
joe rogan
But it's like you can't...
You can't kill yourself.
It's not legal to kill yourself.
It's illegal.
Suicide's illegal.
And it's not legal to eat people.
And even if someone tells you to kill them and eat them, you're not allowed to.
brian moses
Even in Germany.
That's assisted suicide, right?
Technically?
joe rogan
Yeah, but it's cannibalism, too.
We don't allow that.
brian moses
No.
unidentified
Mostly.
brian moses
Humanity doesn't allow that, right?
joe rogan
Mostly.
There's some tribes.
There's a few tribes that still practice cannibalism.
Particularly...
I guess I was reading...
brian moses
I'm just not interested in what a human tastes like.
joe rogan
Well, it's probably not good.
unidentified
Right?
brian moses
Or gross.
Yeah, we eat a lot of trash.
joe rogan
Cannibalism.
There's no laws against cannibalism per se, but in most, if not all states, they've enacted laws that indirectly make it impossible to legally obtain and consume the body matter.
What?
brian moses
When you put it that way, yeah, it doesn't sound too appetizing.
jamie vernon
If you can get it.
brian moses
The body matter.
jamie vernon
Somehow.
joe rogan
Wait a minute.
Wasn't there a show on CNN where one of their guys, they wanted him to eat charred flesh?
Like he was examining different religions.
Do you remember something along these lines?
It was like some outrageous thing.
brian moses
Was that Gupta?
Sanjay?
joe rogan
No, I don't think it was Sanjay Gupta.
It was someone else.
He visited...
All of these different religions and people that live their lives in different weird ways.
brian moses
I know the show you're talking about.
I don't remember that episode.
You're right, it wasn't Gupta.
It was another correspondent.
joe rogan
He eventually got fired for CNN for saying something about Trump, which is hilarious.
brian moses
Yeah.
joe rogan
Yeah, Reza Aslan.
Sparks outrage after eating human brain in new show.
It takes like charcoal.
See, the problem with that too, by eating a human brain, is that, I mean, maybe these cults or these tribes or whatever he's involved with does do that.
If the brain has prions, prions are what gives you mad cow disease.
brian moses
Oh, really?
joe rogan
Yeah.
Yeah.
brian moses
So you can, yeah, you can get sick from that and die.
joe rogan
Yuxfeld, what is that name of that?
Jacob, Jacob, Jacob, Jacob Cruxfeld disease.
It's basically mad cow disease.
You get it from prions.
You get it from brain tissue.
They survive thousands of degrees.
Yeah, Kruxfeld-Jakob disease.
That's it.
It's a rare degenerative fatal brain disorder and affects about one person.
So some people get it without cannibalism, but it also does happen.
See, one person every million worldwide in the United States are about 350 cases per year.
Crazy.
brian moses
So it must have been really charred, though.
joe rogan
It doesn't matter, I don't think.
brian moses
Really?
joe rogan
Yeah, I don't think it does.
brian moses
He's still alive.
joe rogan
Yeah.
Well, he might not have had the prions of someone who has a disease.
brian moses
Okay.
joe rogan
But if that person did, that's why it has to be the temperature that it has to be cooked at.
It's supposed to be insane.
I think prions can survive more than a thousand degrees for a long period of time.
brian moses
Okay.
joe rogan
That's one of the fears of, like, mad cow disease.
Like, you really are not going to be able to cook it well enough to keep that shit from getting in your bloodstream.
Yeah.
unidentified
Fuck.
joe rogan
See, Google how long...
Jamie, you're Googling off the chain today.
You got extra Google.
brian moses
A lot of flesh talk today.
joe rogan
Yeah.
I was just sucking up stuff about it.
What temperature do prions survive in?
Because I think it's more than a thousand degrees and they can still survive.
Which I remember reading that going, oh, this is terrible.
Mad cow disease.
Zombies.
brian moses
Zombies, yeah, exactly.
I mean, you hunt your food, so you're not worried about that.
joe rogan
Yeah, but you should be worried because there's a thing called chronic wasting disease.
And chronic wasting disease is essentially a form of, like, mad cow disease, like a very similar type of degenerative disease that affects deer, that it's affecting an increasing number of them.
They're spreading across the country.
Now, it hasn't made the jump to humans yet, but it could.
jamie vernon
So, I don't want to worry you here, but...
brian moses
You can't hunt deer no more, man.
jamie vernon
Rions cannot be destroyed by boiling, alcohol, acid, standard autoclaving methods, or radiation.
joe rogan
That's what I'm saying.
brian moses
Or radiation.
joe rogan
That's what I'm saying.
brian moses
So they're like roaches.
They'll survive everything.
joe rogan
Well, you know what they are?
They're God's poison.
brian moses
Okay.
joe rogan
When God's like, enough.
Like, no fire, no flames, no ice, no water.
You ain't fixing this.
brian moses
Yeah.
joe rogan
This is coming in hot.
brian moses
Yeah, and this is still, you can't...
joe rogan
Brions are forever.
unidentified
Wow.
joe rogan
The lethal proteins are in the hard-to-kill hall of fame and may be more common than we realize.
See, this is what I'm talking about.
So these things, this is what affects people when they get mad cow disease.
And this is also what it affects, cannibals.
Kruxfeld-Jakob or Jakob Kruxfeld?
jamie vernon
You got it the first way.
joe rogan
Kruxfeld-Jakob.
CJD. Okay.
Kruxfeld-Jakob disease.
But it affects cannibals.
They found out that cannibals in New Zealand...
New Guinea.
Cannibals in New Guinea exhibited the same sort of symptoms as people with Cruxfeld-Yakob disease.
Google that, Jamie.
brian moses
I don't fucking hate people.
joe rogan
Cannibals.
Cannibals that get Cruxfeld-Yakob disease.
brian moses
Those poor cannibals.
joe rogan
Well, they're eating brain matter.
That's what it is.
brian moses
Yeah, just eat the flesh.
Fry the flesh.
joe rogan
Just eat the booty.
unidentified
Oh, here you go.
joe rogan
Only pork butt.
jamie vernon
They evolved their resistance to it.
joe rogan
Because they were getting it so much.
Oh, my God.
That's so crazy.
Wow.
brian moses
Good for them.
joe rogan
The practice of cannibalism in one Papua New Guinea tribe led to the spread of a fatal brain disease called Kuru that caused a devastating epidemic in the group.
But now some members of the tribe carry a gene that appears to protect against Kuru as well as other so-called prion diseases such as mad cow.
unidentified
So they evolved.
brian moses
They evolved that generation.
Wow.
Like a superbug.
joe rogan
Fucking life finds a way, man.
brian moses
To eat more life.
joe rogan
Life finds a way.
I wonder how long it's going to take before we're physically addicted to phones to the point where you need it to stay alive.
brian moses
I mean...
joe rogan
Like you need warm clothes, right?
In a cold environment.
You need a warm house.
How long before you need a phone?
Like, here's the thing.
The phone's going to help you.
It's going to make everything better, but you need it.
brian moses
So it's almost like a heart monitor.
Like, I'm going to need this.
joe rogan
You have to have it.
brian moses
Wow.
It's going to take generations.
jamie vernon
If you just call it an access point to the internet instead of a phone, a way to access that information.
joe rogan
Yeah, don't just call it a phone.
Call it an electronic soul.
brian moses
I mean, well, the phone is the only access to that matrix, which is the internet, and that thing's not real, you know, unless you live inside of it.
joe rogan
It's not real yet.
brian moses
No.
joe rogan
It's drawing you in, though.
How often do you use your phone every day?
brian moses
I mean, obviously, yeah.
Obviously, right?
Yeah, we're talking about, yeah.
joe rogan
Everybody just gives in, obviously.
brian moses
Yeah, I'm using it.
I'm not saying I'm above it.
I'm just saying.
joe rogan
And I'm not even sure why.
Sometimes I'm searching Google News just to see if something's interesting.
brian moses
Yeah, I'll look at the same news feed.
joe rogan
What do you got?
Nothing in politics?
Okay.
What about entertainment?
Nothing, nothing, nothing.
How about science?
Give me some science.
Come on!
What do you got for me?
What do you got for me?
Just constantly, instead of thinking about what I'm doing, constantly searching for some new data.
It's weird.
Right?
brian moses
I mean, it's happening.
I mean, we can't get rid of it.
unidentified
No.
brian moses
I mean, you're talking about this generation of kids, this is the two girls, one cup generation.
You know what I mean?
They get to see it at five years old on their phone.
joe rogan
Right.
brian moses
That's going to change.
Yeah, so I think when you're saying that's going to take generations, I mean, it could be a few generations removed from where you don't know any better if you don't have a phone.
joe rogan
Wow.
jamie vernon
So we'd be the faces of death generation, because our parents probably never saw that shit.
But we definitely did.
joe rogan
They saw it in the war, son.
jamie vernon
Yeah, they saw it in person.
We saw it on tape.
brian moses
You weren't there, man.
joe rogan
We were the first bitch-ass generation.
brian moses
I mean, my generation, yeah, we're definitely bitch-asses.
joe rogan
Well, when you go back to World War II, everybody was signing up, right?
Right.
People just signed up for the war.
But then they got around to Vietnam.
I was like, what?
brian moses
Yeah, well, why were we there?
joe rogan
What the fuck are we doing over there?
brian moses
They manipulated that war, though, so that was different.
World War II, like, you know, Pearl Harbor happened.
You know, there's no Pearl Harbor that happened for Vietnam.
Even 9-11, like, you know, like, the guys were signed up to go, you know, quote, unquote, fight those terrorists, you know, this faction of dudes.
joe rogan
Like how many guys came back from World War II with horrific memories?
brian moses
Right.
joe rogan
Remember Saving Private Ryan?
brian moses
Yeah.
joe rogan
That was one of the best depictions of a historical event and to put it into like real perspective what it probably was like when those guys were getting gunned down on the beach.
brian moses
Yeah, you didn't know if it was going to be you or not.
joe rogan
But it's also, whoa, this is real as fuck.
brian moses
And then imagine leaving that and coming back and you just had to be normal.
joe rogan
Yeah, because most movies that we saw about war, go back to John Wayne movies about war.
They were never gory.
It was like, bang!
And the guy would fall down.
He would hold his stomach.
You didn't see anything.
And then later, even in movies like Apocalypse Now, I mean, it was still wild.
It still gave you this feeling of war.
But there was never anywhere near the gore of that scene in Saving Private Ryan.
When you see people with their legs blown off and their guts hanging out, you're like, holy shit.
brian moses
That's war.
joe rogan
That's what a war really looks like.
brian moses
I mean, that's war.
unidentified
Yeah, yeah, yeah.
joe rogan
But we never saw that.
You never see that unless you're there in the war or unless you're watching a movie like that.
Because the movies that whitewash it, they give it this feeling of like, oh, you got me!
I think what they're exposed to as far as their entertainment in the 1940s and then boom you're there and you're seeing real war.
brian moses
I mean that'll scare you straight.
Like why would you want to go fight in that?
joe rogan
They were scared of the Germans taking over the world.
They saved the world from the Nazis.
That's one of those rare...
brian moses
That's a great way to put it.
Save the world from the Nazis.
joe rogan
...rare wars where it's not that sloppy.
It's pretty clear.
brian moses
Right.
joe rogan
You got a real evil...
brian moses
These guys are, yeah, they're evil.
unidentified
Right, right, right.
joe rogan
...evil empire.
You have a legitimate evil empire that's killing people.
They killed six million Jews.
brian moses
Yeah.
joe rogan
Or whatever the number is.
What is the number?
brian moses
They always...
Yeah, I said five million one time.
Is somebody correct?
They always correct.
It's always six million.
unidentified
Yeah.
joe rogan
of millions of people were killed by this one group of humans genocide then and there was um something that history and pictures or one of the one of the twitter accounts that i retweeted a few days ago that had um they showed all these ss officers laughing and with like kids on their laps and the caption was something to the effect of don't ever think that the people that you think of as monsters are not human like Like, humans are capable.
Regular humans are capable of horrific, monstrous behavior if they all agree to it.
And so it showed these SS officers and they just look so normal and laughing and ha ha ha.
Meanwhile, there's these Jewish skeleton people living in a cage just a few yards over.
brian moses
Isn't that what a cabaret is about?
Kind of.
I was watching the movies on CNN. They're kind of saying cabaret is showing how all these funny, nice people, they're Nazis.
joe rogan
I didn't see that movie.
Who's in that movie?
brian moses
I forget who's in it, but I know it's like a musical.
unidentified
Liza Minnelli.
joe rogan
Liza Minnelli.
brian moses
There we go.
joe rogan
Wow.
brian moses
Yeah.
joe rogan
Never saw it.
Is that what it was really all about?
brian moses
I didn't know that either.
I watched that.
joe rogan
I learned about it through Tom Hanks' The Movies on CNN. Well, you've obviously never seen The Man Who Killed Hitler and then Bigfoot.
All of it.
It would be clear.
brian moses
Sam Elliott's my guy.
joe rogan
Do you understand why the Nazis are so bad?
Yeah, it's...
brian moses
We haven't had, you know, you're right, we haven't had somebody as evil as the Nazis, right?
But they've tried to make guys like that, you know?
The Viet Cong, Saddam Hussein, Bin Laden.
joe rogan
But that one was clear-cut.
Like, everybody was like, oh, Jesus Christ.
brian moses
Let's go get Hitler.
joe rogan
We've got to stop this.
This motherfucker.
When you see him scream in front of the crowd, like, Why would you follow that?
unidentified
Shit!
brian moses
They're all high on fucking methamphetamines, aren't they, though?
joe rogan
Let's say yes.
brian moses
Okay.
joe rogan
Even if we don't know.
brian moses
Eat that, Nazis!
joe rogan
He was tripping.
That video of him, he was definitely tripping.
He was rubbing his cane on his dick.
He was tweaking.
brian moses
But a whole country was into that.
They're just like, yeah, yeah, this is our guy.
We're going to do whatever he says.
joe rogan
Yep.
Yep.
They didn't even know what it meant to have someone like him run a country back then.
How drugs like Pervitin and cocaine fueled the Nazis' rise and fall.
Wow.
Despite Hitler's anti-drug rhetoric, Nazi Germany used a little courage pill called Pervitin.
To take Europe by storm, and it turns out it was pure methamphetamine.
unidentified
Wow.
joe rogan
There it is.
Pervitin methamphetamine hydrochloride.
brian moses
Who made that?
joe rogan
It looks like the fucking Germans did, because it's in German.
brian moses
I know what I'm saying.
What company?
What company's making Pervitin?
joe rogan
Some Nazi company.
brian moses
Okay.
joe rogan
So they were just giving out everybody meth.
brian moses
Yeah.
joe rogan
Instead of methed up country.
That makes sense.
brian moses
That'll kill six million Jews, yeah.
joe rogan
Oh, okay.
It says, still couldn't ditch an Axis Power meeting, so Hitler's personal physician injected the Fuhrer with a drug called Eukadol.
Think oxycodone combined with cocaine to perk him up.
unidentified
Yeah.
joe rogan
The physician took a significant risk in doing so.
After all, Hitler was prone to latching on to addictive substances and refusing to let go.
But in this case, the injection seemed warranted.
Hitler was doubled over with violent spastic constipation, refusing to speak to anyone.
Immediately after the first injection and despite his doctor's wishes, a revived Hitler ordered another injection.
Hitler then left for the meeting with the gusto of a soldier half his age.
brian moses
Okay, so it was like, yeah.
joe rogan
He was methed up, man.
brian moses
Yeah, he thought he was taking, like, super pills or whatever he was taking.
joe rogan
Liquid cocaine and meth and oxycodone.
Hitler reportedly spoke for several hours without stopping.
At the meeting with Mussolini, Hitler reportedly spoke for several hours without stopping.
The Italian dictator, who sat massaging his own back, dabbing his forehead with a handkerchief and sighing, had hoped to convince Hitler to let Italy drop out of the war.
He never got the chance.
brian moses
You never got a word in edgewise.
joe rogan
Oh my god.
So, can you imagine being poor Mussolini?
You're over there talking to Hitler.
He's methed out of his fucking mind.
And you're trying to tell him, look, Italian, we don't want to go to war.
We want to back out of this.
We'd like to just kick it back.
You know what I mean?
Good luck.
unidentified
We hope for the best...
joe rogan
And Hitler comes over all messed up.
brian moses
Have you hung around Spikers?
joe rogan
Yes.
brian moses
Okay.
joe rogan
Here it says, Jamie's trying to show us this.
This is what, he won't let it go.
This is about one episode amid Hitler's almost daily drug use, which included barbiturates, bull semen.
Bull semen.
Bull semen.
Testosterone.
Opiates.
And stimulants such as Pervitin, a courage pill.
So he was taking meth.
brian moses
Isn't bull semen like taurine or whatever?
joe rogan
Bull semen is taurine?
It sounds like it would be.
brian moses
Yeah, like Red Bull.
It's supposed to be like something.
It's supposed to be like some kind of...
joe rogan
Bull jizz?
brian moses
Yeah, bull jizz.
Take that, Red Bull.
joe rogan
That's, again, some serious stoner.
brian moses
I've heard taurine.
Am I right?
joe rogan
Is he right?
brian moses
Taurine is bull semen.
joe rogan
Oh my god.
Taurine is a key ingredient in red bull, monster, rock star, and other energy.
It's an organic molecule, not an amino acid, named for the Latin taurus, which means ox or bull, because originally taurine was extracted from bull semen.
brian moses
Red bull semen.
joe rogan
Originally, taurine was extracted that way, but it is an ingredient in bull semen.
So the taurine in Red Bull probably doesn't come from bull semen, but taurine is in bull semen.
So Hitler was getting his taurine right from the tap.
brian moses
From the source.
joe rogan
Do you think you just suck the bull's dick?
The best way is to suck upon it.
brian moses
Suck the dick!
unidentified
You get it from the top when it is fresh and it's 700% more potent.
joe rogan
The Fuhras just gets down there.
They hold the bull back with straps and buckles.
It's kicking.
And Hitler gets his sloppy Nazi mouth right over that fat bull hog.
And that is apparently the origin of that upper lip mustache.
That upper lip mustache was to catch all the succulent drops when he's choking on Jesus.
unidentified
He's like...
brian moses
The flavor saver.
joe rogan
And that giant bull dick is pummeling the back of his throat and fills it up.
When it comes out of his nose, because a lot of the jizz comes out of his nose, that's just enough mustache to catch the jizz.
So that's why he had that mustache.
A lot of people don't know.
brian moses
I can't believe that many people follow that kind of guy.
I mean, like, and everybody's just cracked out.
joe rogan
It's a perfect jizz-catching mustache.
If you think about it, if it's coming out of your nose, which it does do, right?
Like milk does.
brian moses
Right.
joe rogan
Right?
You know, you cough when you're drinking milk and it comes out of your nose.
brian moses
Some semen's coming out of your nose.
joe rogan
Semen's coming out of your nose.
brian moses
And he's just, yeah.
joe rogan
He's catching it.
Savoring it.
brian moses
No.
You're saying...
I mean, I'm just saying.
How many people were in Germany at that time?
How many people were in...
joe rogan
Millions.
brian moses
Were SS soldiers?
joe rogan
I wonder.
That's a good question.
unidentified
Right?
joe rogan
How many people actually joined?
brian moses
Yeah.
joe rogan
Well, I think you had to be a part of it, right?
brian moses
Right.
joe rogan
Otherwise you were...
brian moses
The Hitler Youth as well?
joe rogan
Yeah.
brian moses
It was a whole...
Yeah, the whole society was that.
It was all...
Yeah, it became Nazi Germany.
joe rogan
National Socialist.
What is it?
What is the actual...
What does Nazi actually stand for?
brian moses
I mean, didn't shut up for seven hours?
joe rogan
Dude, poor Mussolini.
jamie vernon
National socialism, I guess.
joe rogan
That's it?
jamie vernon
The National Socialist German Workers' Party is what it was.
brian moses
Oh, so they were socialists.
unidentified
Imagine poor Mussolini.
brian moses
Didn't he kill more people?
joe rogan
I don't know how many he killed.
Stalin, didn't he kill the most?
brian moses
He killed the most, yeah.
He's Kareem Abdul-Jabbar of Mass Murderers.
He's got the points record, too.
joe rogan
Man.
When you're a person like that, and you didn't used to be a Stalin, you were just a person, and then all of a sudden you're in a position of power, and then all of a sudden you're responsible for the death of untold millions of people.
brian moses
Oh yeah, almost tens.
joe rogan
So Mao was the most by a long shot.
brian moses
Okay.
joe rogan
Look at Mao.
So Stalin, it's Hitler, and then Stalin.
brian moses
17. Yeah.
No Mussolini on the list, okay.
joe rogan
But Mao, Mao was like 400 million, right?
jamie vernon
It says 78, but yeah, I don't know.
joe rogan
Okay, Google Mao might have been responsible for 400 million, because there was an article I was reading yesterday.
unidentified
Really?
brian moses
400 million people?
joe rogan
Yeah, they revised the amount of people that they think were dead directly because of Mao.
brian moses
Oh, okay.
You're saying directly killed?
400 people?
joe rogan
Some insane number of people were killed during Mao's reign.
What are they saying?
brian moses
There's a place called Mao's Kitchen.
joe rogan
Maybe I added a zero to it.
Maybe I added a zero.
Most likely.
So 45 million.
And the other one said 70?
So it's between 45 and whatever the other number is.
So he's number one with a bullet.
Wow.
He's the guy responsible for the most death during his time.
brian moses
Again though, there was a restaurant here in Los Angeles called Mao's Kitchen.
That's disrespectful as fuck.
joe rogan
Tyson has Mao on his arm.
brian moses
Oh, does it?
Well, I mean, you know, he's supposed to kill people.
joe rogan
Well, when he was in jail, I think, he probably read some philosophy from Mao.
brian moses
I mean, yeah, those guys, I mean, those guys write, they write good books.
unidentified
Well...
brian moses
Mein Kampf is, uh, it's pretty good.
joe rogan
Is it?
Did you read it?
brian moses
I read it in English, yeah.
joe rogan
Are you allowed to read it now?
Like, when you read it, you're probably allowed to read it.
Like, if you buy it...
brian moses
I don't think you can buy it today, yeah, but it's...
joe rogan
If you try to buy Mein Kampf on your Kindle, would you get flagged?
brian moses
If you're, like, sales stuff, it's, like, it's literally, it's just, like, talking about the sale.
I mean, it's obviously talking about, you know...
Killing Jews, but...
joe rogan
What is it talking about?
The sale of...
brian moses
It's talking about how they can overcome.
And it's like his struggle is basically just...
It is a propaganda book, but it's like...
From a sales perspective, you're just like, I see where he's coming from.
Not saying that...
I'm condoning it, but I'm saying you're like, okay, there's so much passion in it.
You know what I mean?
It's like a memoir.
joe rogan
So he's selling to the people that they can overcome the economic situation that Germany's in and they can rise above.
brian moses
Yes.
joe rogan
And if you tried to buy that today to read it, people would assume...
brian moses
I was young when I read it, by the way.
unidentified
You can?
brian moses
I would think it was, yeah.
Oh, you can buy it on Amazon.
joe rogan
You can buy it on Amazon.
But come on, son.
You know you're on a list.
brian moses
I am now.
joe rogan
Right?
brian moses
I read it in the library.
They had it in the library.
joe rogan
But if you buy it today, you don't think you get on a list.
unidentified
Right, you definitely have a list.
brian moses
Yeah.
joe rogan
For sure.
brian moses
If you buy a Confederate flag, you're on a list now.
joe rogan
Oh, yeah.
For sure.
If you buy a Dukes of Hazzard DVD set.
brian moses
You're on the list?
joe rogan
You're on a list.
brian moses
Were you doing Jeff Foxworthy?
joe rogan
If it's one on the cover, the one with the General Lee leaping over the fucking canyon with the Confederate flag, clearly.
jamie vernon
Some book that, I think it was maybe the one you talk about a lot, but I remember in the late 90s, people were saying, if you went to the bookstore to buy this book, you're on a list.
And if you had to go buy it with cash and wear a hoodie and cover your face and shit.
joe rogan
Yeah, I remember that.
It was always those stupid rumors.
Yeah.
What was the book?
jamie vernon
I think it was the cross book that you've talked about.
The Sacred Cross?
joe rogan
Oh, The Sacred Mushroom and the Cross?
unidentified
Yeah, yeah.
joe rogan
Was it really?
jamie vernon
That's the one I would have heard of.
My rumor might get passed around a lot for five years or something.
joe rogan
Do you remember A Course in Miracles?
A Course in Miracles was a book that was going around, I want to say, in the early, early 90s.
There was a bunch of people that were telling you to read some book by this couple and they were channeling an angel who wrote this book.
It's one of those books where I don't know if it was any good because everybody that recommended it was so annoying.
brian moses
Like Eat, Pray, Love?
Was that the other one?
The Secret?
joe rogan
Well, it was extremely spiritual, air quotes.
brian moses
Okay.
joe rogan
And it was all about how to live.
And it might be an amazing book, but I remember everybody that wanted to recommend it, I always had like a...
brian moses
Right.
joe rogan
And I was a young man at the time, and I was very dismissive about a lot of things that I wouldn't be dismissive of today.
But I remember it was like one of those books where annoying people loved it.
unidentified
Yeah.
brian moses
Yeah.
You've got to read this book, right?
Yeah.
joe rogan
It's like, this book transformed me.
It's a gift.
I'm giving you this book because I want you to read it and it's going to transform you too.
brian moses
Wow.
This is me giving my love to you.
joe rogan
Maybe I'm reading a book about someone who said they were channeling an angel and that's nonsense.
unidentified
Right.
joe rogan
How about that?
How about I have to think about the fact that it's a nonsense person.
jamie vernon
There's a website for it.
joe rogan
Foundation for inner peace.
Look at the light.
brian moses
It looks like the Dianetic scene.
It's very cultish.
joe rogan
What's the origin of it?
Am I correct?
Did it come from someone who channeled an angel or some shit like that?
Isn't that the idea?
jamie vernon
I don't know.
joe rogan
Well, let's Google what is the origin of Containing curriculum, aiming at assisting readers in achieving spiritual transformation.
Am I conflating this with some other book?
brian moses
We were talking Mein Kampf.
joe rogan
It's almost the same thing.
But where someone said that someone wrote it for them, that it was written as they were channeling.
brian moses
Oh, really?
jamie vernon
Someone went on Oprah to talk about it in 1992. Did they say that?
joe rogan
Am I making this up?
jamie vernon
I'm trying to see what it says.
I'm reading it too quick.
brian moses
So it's in Oprah's Book Club.
jamie vernon
It's on Johnny Carson, too, also.
joe rogan
Wow.
brian moses
This book got around.
joe rogan
Right.
I don't think you're going to find it from there.
Just Google what is the origin story for A Course in Miracles.
But it was one of those books where if you were dating a yoga teacher, you'd go to her house, she'd have it on the coffee table.
unidentified
Right.
joe rogan
On your way to the vegan restaurant, let's go.
You know?
brian moses
I mean, because you think, like, if the Nazis do win, that does become, like, the coffee book.
Mein Kampf.
joe rogan
Yeah.
brian moses
You know?
joe rogan
If the Nazis won, it's super inspirational.
jamie vernon
And in her voice, she identified as Jesus.
and interacting with her and acting as a stimulus, triggering a series of inner experiences that were understood to her as that.
And that's what she returned.
brian moses
So the same guy who wrote the Mormon Bible Joseph Smith.
joe rogan
Yeah.
So that's what it is.
So I'm correct.
brian moses
So it's like a Bible.
joe rogan
Well, it's like one of those things, like maybe that happened.
brian moses
Right.
joe rogan
Maybe that happened.
brian moses
I mean, sold some books, obviously.
joe rogan
Or maybe you're crazy.
Maybe you're out of your fucking mind, and you want people to think that you're special, so you wrote these rules on how people should live, and they're pretty good.
They resonate well.
They make sense.
Sounds like the original Bible, too.
Yeah, you're not 100% crazy.
brian moses
This is good structure.
joe rogan
We assume that if someone tells a crazy story like that, they're 100% crazy.
brian moses
Right.
joe rogan
I don't have any good ideas.
Like you could be a fucking crazy person with a couple good ideas.
Like, Mike is fucking crazy, but I'm telling you.
brian moses
They said J.K. Rowling was crazy.
joe rogan
Oh, she's got to be crazy.
brian moses
You know what I mean?
So then she's got these...
joe rogan
All that Harry Potter shit, writing about little boys.
brian moses
Yeah.
joe rogan
That's all you're writing about?
brian moses
Yeah.
joe rogan
Little boys and magic.
unidentified
Magic, you could be a little girl and be with those little boys.
joe rogan
Everyone would be happy and happy and happy.
brian moses
I think you can be a woman and do that, right?
You can be a dude and do that, because then you're like...
joe rogan
Yeah, a dude writing about little boys?
brian moses
Yeah.
joe rogan
Not good.
brian moses
Yeah, that's definitely a flag there.
joe rogan
You used to be able to get away with it, right?
Mm-hmm.
brian moses
Dr. Seuss, all's good.
joe rogan
Mark Twain wrote about Huckleberry Finn and those boys.
brian moses
I thought you were going to snort that.
I was like, oh.
All this meth talk.
joe rogan
Mushroom elixir.
unidentified
Ooh.
joe rogan
You want some?
brian moses
What's it going to do to me?
joe rogan
Lion's mane?
brian moses
Juice me up?
joe rogan
No, no.
It's good for your brain.
brian moses
Oh, perfect.
joe rogan
It doesn't taste bad either.
brian moses
Thank you.
Is that actual lion's mane?
joe rogan
Yeah, lion's mane mushroom.
Not lions, like a lion lion.
jamie vernon
Right.
joe rogan
It's a mushroom.
I just drink it all the time and I feel like I'd be rude if I don't offer you some.
brian moses
Thank you.
You're the man.
jamie vernon
I was going to correct something you asked me earlier.
UFC 21 was when that changed.
There was a significant rule change and they joined with the Council of Mixed Martial Arts Commission.
There were prelim bouts that had two rounds that were only five minutes then.
Three five minute rounds and championship rounds changed to five minutes.
That's when they added the 10 point must system.
joe rogan
So prelim rounds were two rounds, championship rounds were three.
jamie vernon
Championships were five.
Everything else was three.
unidentified
Oh.
joe rogan
So before that it was two, though, you said?
jamie vernon
But this was also pre-Dana and pre-Frititas.
So they were still mixed, like the Gracie stuff they were doing, so they just had five-minute rounds until the thing was over.
Unlimited five-minute rounds.
joe rogan
That's right.
I remember that shit.
That was madness, but it wasn't as bad in terms of madness as the Japanese ones.
The Japanese ones were fucking crazy.
They did so many nutty things.
brian moses
Yeah.
joe rogan
They had so many, like, crazy freak shows.
And they still do.
unidentified
Right.
joe rogan
They got this lady named Gabby Garcia.
She's like 6'2", 240 pounds.
brian moses
Amazon.
joe rogan
And they have her fighting, like, housewives.
She beats the fuck out of these ladies.
unidentified
What?
brian moses
And it's all consensual, right?
Like when they're signing up?
joe rogan
Yeah.
brian moses
Okay.
joe rogan
They like freak shows.
brian moses
Right.
I mean, yeah, look at their game shows.
joe rogan
Yeah.
brian moses
Yeah, exactly.
joe rogan
What is going on with that?
brian moses
It's just, because I think they're such a repressed country, aren't they?
joe rogan
I think so.
brian moses
Yeah, I think this is like, I don't think they have like bending machines where like guys have like...
joe rogan
There's Gabby.
Look at that.
brian moses
She's beating up housewives?
joe rogan
Look at the guns.
Yeah, pull up a video of her giving some motherfucking...
That's Ronda Rousey.
That's not real.
This is real.
brian moses
That's Gabby?
joe rogan
That fight's real.
So look at the size of that woman that she has to fight.
brian moses
I mean, what is up with the definition though, Gabby?
joe rogan
Mexican supplements.
Okay.
unidentified
100%.
brian moses
Nice.
joe rogan
She's Gab.
Keep it 100%.
brian moses
I mean, yeah.
You're bigger than your trainer.
joe rogan
That's Vandelli Silva.
brian moses
Yeah!
That's nuts.
joe rogan
That's crazy.
Yeah, she's a big lady.
brian moses
Yeah.
joe rogan
So, anyway, Japan loves that.
That was when she was real thin.
At one point in time, she'd gotten real ripped and small.
And then got right back up to Giganti again to win in these fucking Japanese events.
Is she in UFC? No, she fights for, I think, I don't know which one.
Might be Ryzen.
unidentified
I see.
joe rogan
Doesn't say which one.
brian moses
Yeah, why is she not like a...
I mean, she's bigger than every female in UFC. Yeah, she's giant.
So she's got no division.
joe rogan
Yeah, she's giant.
She's 6'2".
I mean, she's in the 240-pound weight class, somewhere like that.
brian moses
So she's a heavyweight.
joe rogan
She would be a heavyweight male.
brian moses
Right, you can't.
joe rogan
Yeah.
brian moses
Yeah.
Gabby.
joe rogan
I mean, there's no heavyweight female weight class.
jamie vernon
That was her a couple weeks ago.
She's not that big anymore.
joe rogan
Oh, she's shrinking down.
brian moses
Hey.
joe rogan
Good for her.
brian moses
What up?
joe rogan
Still probably 200 pounds.
Damn.
Okay, so she's jacked and tan again.
She looks great.
Yeah.
brian moses
What up, Gab?
joe rogan
She's strong as fuck.
brian moses
Yeah.
joe rogan
And she's a world champion jiu-jitsu player, too.
So she grabs ahold of these girls and just pummels them.
But they had Bob Sapp back in the day, like I said.
He was like 375 pounds.
He was fighting guys who were in like the 200s.
brian moses
Yeah.
joe rogan
He smashed so many people.
There were so many guys like that that fought in Japan where they had these freak shows.
brian moses
I mean, craziest.
I saw one the other day, like, a thing where, like, a woman and her nipples are just, like, almost like cones.
And it's, like, the game shows, like, these guys are just, like, put their fingers in the...
It's just wild.
I mean, there's just so many wild things in Japan.
Like, you can see things like that.
It's gnarly, bro.
joe rogan
Well, they are the birth of a lot of those crazy game shows, right?
unidentified
Mm-hmm.
joe rogan
I mean, a lot of the game shows, like even Fear Factor, would that have even happened if it wasn't for the crazy Japanese shows?
brian moses
What's in the water over there to make them think like that?
And we were saying they're repressed, but it's also, I mean, why are they so repressed?
joe rogan
Have you ever seen Bazooka Man?
brian moses
Uh-uh.
joe rogan
Bazooka Man was a Japanese game show where a guy with a bazooka would show up at people's houses.
brian moses
With like a real live bazooka?
joe rogan
So he'd be in bed.
He'd be in bed sleeping.
And Bazooka Man would shoot the bazooka at your wall above your head while you were asleep.
brian moses
This is a real...
joe rogan
They would film it.
brian moses
What?
joe rogan
They would film it.
brian moses
This thing would explode above your head.
joe rogan
So he shoots a rocket launcher through your fucking wall.
Boom!
And this guy's like...
They wake up fucking screaming.
There's a hole in the wall above their head.
And the audience in Japan is like...
You have it on TV. You can find it.
You can find the videos.
unidentified
Bruh.
joe rogan
Jamie will find it.
brian moses
What is that?
That's a real thing.
jamie vernon
Might have had a different name.
brian moses
Okay.
joe rogan
Maybe Rocketman.
brian moses
Bazooka Man.
joe rogan
I'm pretty sure it was Bazooka Man.
brian moses
And it's a real rocket.
joe rogan
Whatever it is, it's firing out of a cannon that's on his shoulders and it's hitting the wall and it explodes.
Google a Japanese game show where they blow up a wall behind...
brian moses
I mean, how do you have a heart attack when you wake up?
They're dead asleep.
joe rogan
Yeah, you easily could.
brian moses
Yeah, that's what I'm saying.
You must sound like a death warrant before you...
joe rogan
For sure you could definitely get a heart attack, though.
brian moses
Jesus.
And these guys are dead asleep, and they all sign up for this.
This is all consensual.
Basically.
joe rogan
As far as I understand.
I don't think they sign up for it.
I think they're just allowed to do stuff like that, and then they give you money.
brian moses
Okay.
If you survive, right.
joe rogan
Well, I don't think they have the same concept of lawsuits that we do over here.
brian moses
Okay.
joe rogan
You got it?
jamie vernon
No, no.
On my way to finding it, though, I found one.
This is called The Bum Show, where girls would put their bum in a hole, and a guy would...
Kiss it?
joe rogan
Yeah, basically.
jamie vernon
Right on TV. Hmm.
joe rogan
Okay.
brian moses
Can't comment on that one.
joe rogan
They have different ways of living.
brian moses
They really do.
joe rogan
They have a different style.
Can't hate it.
Can't be hating on them.
Jesus.
brian moses
Is it China or Japan where they have these crazy work hours, right?
Like factory workers.
The whole economy is just like work all the time.
And they have vending machines where you can just like pocket pussies basically.
joe rogan
Oof.
unidentified
Yeah.
brian moses
The guys will just use those things.
They'll toss them and just go back to work.
unidentified
Oof.
brian moses
Yeah.
joe rogan
Wow.
brian moses
I want to say that's Japan.
joe rogan
Well, they're both known for their work hours.
brian moses
Right.
So sex just isn't a part of the routine.
joe rogan
I was reading something on Huawei.
Huawei's a Chinese phone company, and the guy had a bed underneath his desk.
It's the craziest image.
He's in his cubicle, and his stuff is above him, and he's got a bed laid out under his cubicle, and he's asleep.
With glasses, at work, exhausted.
brian moses
It's like an 18-hour day, probably.
joe rogan
Making cell phones so we can take selfies.
brian moses
China has like the biggest economy though.
joe rogan
The biggest?
brian moses
Yeah, don't they?
joe rogan
Do they?
brian moses
Aren't they number one?
joe rogan
I don't know.
brian moses
Yeah.
The Chinese.
I've been pretty right on this whole episode, Joe.
joe rogan
You've been very right.
You've been shockingly right.
brian moses
Right?
Damn.
joe rogan
So, largest economy.
China?
jamie vernon
Yeah.
joe rogan
And what's number two?
unidentified
Oh.
joe rogan
Is America number two?
Somebody needs to tell Trump.
brian moses
He keeps saying number one, yeah.
Yeah, I'm sorry to hurt anybody that didn't know that, but China's number one.
jamie vernon
I guess it depends on what you're using to gauge economy as a general.
It's not just a thing.
brian moses
Oh, it's not subjective.
I'm sorry, it's not objective?
jamie vernon
Yeah, like the GDP or, you know, people, because it says our GDP is $19.39 trillion and China's is $12, which is their nominal, but over more people, I guess it's $23 trillion, so that's technically higher.
That's why it goes, I don't know what you want to...
brian moses
Okay.
Yeah, what you're basing your economy on.
So GDP, we're killing it, but as far as largest economy, it's the Chinese.
jamie vernon
Yeah, they got way more people, obviously.
brian moses
Okay, so that's probably why, though.
They're the largest economy because they have more people.
joe rogan
A billion humans, right?
brian moses
Yeah.
Is India bigger?
Are they the biggest country still?
China?
joe rogan
That's another good question.
unidentified
Yeah.
joe rogan
I think it's close.
It's a hot race between China and India.
jamie vernon
Yeah, there's stuff from earlier this year saying China and India are gaining on the U.S. as the world's top economy.
Are they poised to take over next year?
So I don't think...
It really just depends on what you want to...
joe rogan
Imagine if Trump is on to something with all these sanctions.
brian moses
Mm-hmm.
joe rogan
Imagine.
brian moses
You were talking about that health insurance thing earlier.
I learned a weird thing a British comic had told me when I was over in London last year doing the roast battle over there.
And he was like, you know, you guys don't have free healthcare, but your healthcare is better.
He had a bronchial thing.
He's like, normally it takes like two weeks for that to cure over here.
He's like, I went to America, it took like 48 hours.
That's what we're paying for, just the better drugs.
joe rogan
That makes sense.
Not just better drugs, but probably more motivated doctors.
brian moses
Because they're getting paid.
joe rogan
But are they more motivated to keep people in and out of their office and shuffle them quick and stuff them up with pills versus where in England they're not motivated by a quota.
brian moses
Right.
joe rogan
Maybe they're just...
Just trying to help.
Maybe it's different because they get paid a certain amount and healthcare is free and they're not motivated to earn additional profit by, you know, suggesting surgeries or making someone get on medication.
I don't know.
brian moses
Yeah, but it's all, I mean, if you're talking about, listen, I'm a doctor, I'm making money over here, right?
Wouldn't you want to keep a guy, you know, sick as possible so you can make more money out of him?
joe rogan
Yeah, but that's like, again, it's a dark conspiracy type thing.
brian moses
Definitely.
joe rogan
How many people are really thinking like that?
brian moses
Right.
But I'm saying like two weeks compared to like 48 hours?
joe rogan
I think it's just a shittier system.
brian moses
Yeah, that's what I'm saying.
joe rogan
Maybe the argument can be made that profit-based systems are more efficient because people are more aggressive because they want to make money.
So they get things handled quicker.
brian moses
And they believe in it more.
It's almost like I'm getting what I paid for.
joe rogan
Maybe.
I don't know.
I think it would be nice if people didn't go out without healthcare, though.
The problem is, like, the idea that healthcare is not a human right.
Well, if that's not a human right...
What else do we have?
If someone gets hurt and you're just going to let them die because they don't contribute enough change, you know, they didn't put enough money in the box.
brian moses
Yeah, I'm basically bankrupt now because I got a scraped knee.
joe rogan
It seems crazy that we would somehow or another keep people from medical care.
unidentified
Mm-hmm.
joe rogan
Like, you don't have enough money.
Like, that should be like the number one thing that they take care of.
Food and medical care.
Food, shelter, medical care.
Those things, you know, not necessarily in that order.
The fact that, oh, medical, you're on your own.
Like, what?
How come we can't pay for that?
Well, we can pay for this and pay for that, and we can fund that and fund this, and we're going to go to the moon and Mars.
brian moses
Yeah, but you can't have health care.
joe rogan
But then again, it's like people are so resistant to socialism.
They don't want anybody taking over.
brian moses
The Nazis weren't?
joe rogan
No, they fucked up, though.
Look where that ended.
brian moses
That's true.
joe rogan
Terrible.
brian moses
They're all meth.
joe rogan
That's true.
They're methed up.
Maybe non-methed up socialists is the way to go.
But the problem is people are almost all methed up here now with the fucking Adderall thing.
brian moses
Yeah.
Or they're on downers like Xanax.
joe rogan
Yeah, one or the other.
But Adderall might as well be meth.
For some people.
brian moses
It's cocaine.
joe rogan
It's amphetamine.
It's an amphetamine.
It's fucking straight up amphetamine.
And some people it helps.
Some people it works for them.
But other people they just chew it all day long and talk crazy.
brian moses
Talk crazy.
Foaming at the mouth.
joe rogan
Everyone's against them.
brian moses
Coke is the most annoying drug.
I mean, yeah.
joe rogan
It's the worst.
brian moses
Yeah.
Just on an annoyance level, because people are just talking about nothing the whole time.
joe rogan
They just want to talk to you.
They want to talk right in your face.
They're super pumped up, like Hitler.
Can you imagine?
They injected Hitler with two doses of oxycodone and cocaine.
brian moses
Yeah.
joe rogan
And he had, hit me again!
The doctor's like, we can't hit you again!
unidentified
Hit me again!
joe rogan
They hit him again, and he goes directly to Mussolini's house.
Like, oh my god.
brian moses
Like, he's so annoying.
joe rogan
Coke-fueled, five-hour rant and rant.
Poor Mussolini.
I just want to make a pizza.
I want to hang out.
I want to go to Capri.
I want to go fishing with my grandson.
brian moses
Yeah, Hitler's just like, no, the joke!
And just losing his mind.
joe rogan
Oh, my God.
Imagine that this whole thing was fueled by meth.
That was responsible for the whole fucking chaos of it all.
Meth-fueled.
Because if you stop and think about history, there's obviously been some horrific campaigns.
Whether it's Alexander the Great, Genghis Khan.
brian moses
What are they on?
You know what I mean?
What are they taking?
joe rogan
That's what I was going to say.
If these guys in the Nazi party were all on meth, which makes total sense.
They were so psychotic.
brian moses
Yeah, dude.
joe rogan
What were the fucking Mongols on?
Were they just drunk?
brian moses
Yeah, was that the opium den time?
That wasn't dens, I know that.
joe rogan
Oh yeah, they definitely must have had opium dens, right?
They must have had that.
brian moses
Is that their era?
The Genghis Khan?
joe rogan
Opium's been around forever.
Everybody had opium.
brian moses
But that mellows you out, though.
Right.
That should make you a killer.
joe rogan
Well, the Vikings were into mushrooms, which is weird.
brian moses
Really?
unidentified
Yeah.
brian moses
Like psychedelic mushrooms?
joe rogan
Mm-hmm.
Psilocybin.
brian moses
Yeah, they were into psilocybin.
Okay.
joe rogan
They would take psilocybin, and they would fucking go on crusades and start smashing heads.
brian moses
Well, they're also, you know, they're groomed to be like that, so I think, yeah, psilocybin's going to take you where you want to go.
joe rogan
Yeah, because it's also their world, right?
brian moses
Mm-hmm.
joe rogan
Their world is like cutting and slashing and attacking.
The idea of that not being there, that's not even an option.
brian moses
Yeah.
I mean, you talk about Valhalla.
I mean, that's what they're thinking about.
They're just like, we're just killing people.
That's like, it's heaven.
We get to kill everybody.
joe rogan
What a crazy reward for murder.
brian moses
Yeah.
joe rogan
You go to a heaven and you drink with Odin.
brian moses
Yeah.
joe rogan
Gonna go to Valhalla.
Just hacking people apart with swords.
Just can't wait to see Odin.
unidentified
Thrust.
joe rogan
And then you take that arrow in the neck.
brian moses
And then you get to go to Valhalla.
joe rogan
Happy you're going to go to Valhalla.
You ever watch that show Vikings?
brian moses
No, people tell me it's great though.
Is it great?
joe rogan
Pretty fucking good, man.
Up until like season four or five, Mrs. Rogan had to stop.
brian moses
No, I didn't shake it anymore.
joe rogan
It was a lot of fucking pretty extreme violence.
brian moses
She can't handle it?
joe rogan
It gets a little gnarly.
And there's not enough good people that you root for.
brian moses
That's the Vikings.
joe rogan
Everybody's kind of a piece of shit.
You're like, why am I watching these piece of shits rape and murder each other?
The brothers would turn on brothers.
I mean, it's dark.
brian moses
Yeah.
Those are like the true Caucasians, right?
joe rogan
Oh, yeah.
brian moses
Yeah.
joe rogan
Oh, yeah.
brian moses
Message.
joe rogan
They're the northern warriors.
The ones who escaped from the southern climates and figured out how to survive in the coldest fucking places in the world.
brian moses
Oh, yeah.
joe rogan
And there's like a nature rule, not a rule, like a law in terms of like the size of things that live where it's cold.
So like if you have a deer in Mexico...
It might be 100 pounds.
But if you have a deer in Saskatchewan, it might be like 300 pounds.
Same species.
There's something about real cold climate makes things grow bigger and stronger.
brian moses
It's reacting to the environment, right?
joe rogan
It's something about body temperature as well.
In order to maintain body temperature, they need a lot of mass.
And so, like, polar bears are the biggest of the bears.
brian moses
Right.
joe rogan
They live in the coldest fucking place.
brian moses
And those Caucasian Vikings are the biggest dudes.
joe rogan
Iceland motherfuckers.
brian moses
Yeah.
Icelandic, just giant dudes.
joe rogan
Like that mountain from Game of Thrones.
brian moses
He's an Icelandic guy.
unidentified
Right.
Yes.
joe rogan
Yes.
That's what that is.
brian moses
That's gnarly.
joe rogan
That's gnarly.
brian moses
And he went to play basketball.
He went to play basketball.
Is he in MMA yet?
joe rogan
He didn't play basketball.
No.
brian moses
Okay.
joe rogan
No, I don't think he knows how to fight.
There was a video of him sparring with Conor McGregor, and Conor McGregor's fucking him up.
unidentified
What?
joe rogan
That guy?
Yeah, and Conor, I mean, Conor's not, uh, he's not weighing in, so he's probably weighing about 170. Okay.
And Game of Thrones guy's...
brian moses
Easy three?
joe rogan
Three, easy.
I would imagine he's in the 320, 340 range.
brian moses
Yeah, and he's like a bodybuilder, too, so he's like...
joe rogan
He's chasing Conor, and Conor's cracking him in the stomach.
unidentified
Ugh.
joe rogan
It's kind of a crazy video to watch.
brian moses
I want to see it.
Yeah, exactly.
joe rogan
Yeah, pull it up.
brian moses
Because how tall is Conor, what, 5'9"?
This guy is, what, 6'7"?
joe rogan
He's taller than 5'9", I think.
Conor might be 5'10".
I'm 5'8".
brian moses
I won't disrespect you, Conor McGregor.
joe rogan
Oh, he's a beast.
brian moses
Yeah, you get the heart of an 8-foot person.
joe rogan
He doesn't give a fuck.
brian moses
Yeah.
joe rogan
I mean, the guy fought Floyd Mayweather with zero professional boxing fights.
Just stop and think about that.
brian moses
Zero.
joe rogan
He took zero.
So here it is.
So here's Conor.
He was probably about $1.70.
Look at the size difference here.
And they're like sparring.
And Conor's moving around.
And he's punched him in the stomach.
brian moses
And the guy's trying to grab him.
joe rogan
He's trying to grab him, but Connor has not let him grab him.
But he's not doing anything.
He's controlling.
The guy's trying to grab him, but he doesn't know what he's doing.
And then he's like high-fiving.
Connor's like, no, no, no.
We're going to keep going.
We're going to keep going.
So now he starts kicking him.
He starts kicking him in the stomach.
See?
He just punched him in the stomach.
And the big guy doesn't know what to do.
He's trying to grab him.
But Connor's like, come on, lad.
How can I keep going?
brian moses
He's a fucking monster.
joe rogan
Yeah.
So Connor knows that this big motherfucker can't keep this up.
He can't keep it up.
He's not able to keep up this pace.
So he's already hurting.
brian moses
I mean, he's already tired?
I mean, come on.
You're just going back and forth here.
unidentified
No, no, no.
joe rogan
First of all, he's not used to sparring.
brian moses
I mean, we just got to a minute.
joe rogan
He's not used to sparring, right?
brian moses
Okay.
joe rogan
So everything he's doing is like these big movements and he's not breathing well.
So he's all tense and tight.
So right now, he wants to take a deep breath.
See, all this is tension for him.
He's very tense.
So now he's got a hold of the leg, but he doesn't know what to do.
You have it, though, yeah.
Conor Hand fights with him.
All Conor has to do is keep him moving.
Oh, you see, he punched Connor in the stomach.
brian moses
There we go.
joe rogan
And then Connor's like, oh, okay.
brian moses
Okay.
joe rogan
And so Connor's going to keep going.
brian moses
Look at that.
joe rogan
Now he's throwing kicks at him.
brian moses
And the guy's going to kick him, yeah.
joe rogan
The big guy can't kick him.
brian moses
Yeah.
joe rogan
It'll be too awkward, and Connor will trip him and throw him to the ground or something like that.
He doesn't know how to kick.
But Connor's just going to keep punching him in the stomach.
But eventually, he just gets really, really tired, and he gives up.
But it's kind of crazy to watch because Conor essentially made him fight.
See?
He got on his knees.
Just like that cop guy.
brian moses
That was the victim.
joe rogan
Yeah, the victim with the cop.
He got on his knees and Conor didn't allow him either.
Connor's kneeing him in the body.
Look at this.
Bro, he's a gangster.
He's kneeing him and punching him in the body.
Jeez.
brian moses
I mean, those are real kicks.
Those are real, like, knee...
Wow.
joe rogan
Dude, that guy is so much bigger than him.
brian moses
Yeah.
He's a monster.
So, yeah, he's not doing any MMA training.
joe rogan
Well, that's...
I mean, he could, but he wasn't there.
I mean, he just doesn't know what to do.
brian moses
Yeah.
joe rogan
But if he learned what to do, Connor would never do that.
brian moses
Yeah, that guy's a...
I mean, he's a walking weapon.
joe rogan
Like Nganou.
Francis Nganou, who's probably one of the biggest heavyweights in the UFC. Conor would never do that with him.
He can't.
brian moses
Yeah, because he's a trained fighter.
joe rogan
He's a giant striker.
He'd fuck him up.
But with that guy, that guy didn't know what he was doing.
brian moses
No.
The mountain, though.
Yeah, he was a basketball player.
He wanted to play basketball, and then he broke his ankle or leg or something, and it never healed properly, and then he just became a bodybuilder, and then they put him in Game of Thrones.
joe rogan
Well, he's the world's strongest man.
brian moses
Right, exactly.
joe rogan
Yeah, he wins those world's strongest man things.
He's not just like a participant.
brian moses
Sorry, yeah.
He's the champ.
joe rogan
He's crazy strong.
brian moses
And his guy is like Magnus Vermagnuson, right?
He's like his mentor.
Magnus?
joe rogan
Is that his mentor?
brian moses
Yeah, Magnus Vermagnuson.
joe rogan
By the way, what a great name.
brian moses
Perfect name.
Magnus Vermagnuson.
I fucking love that cat.
joe rogan
Strong man, competitor.
brian moses
Magnum Kulaudi.
Magnus Vermagnuson.
joe rogan
Remember those shows used to be on ABC, Wide World of Sports and shit?
It would be on TV. You'd be watching the Strongest Man competition.
They would throw barrels over the fucking bars and stuff.
brian moses
I mean, they're carrying trucks, 18-wheel semis.
Yeah.
joe rogan
Always ridiculous shit.
brian moses
Remember the guys, they would lift and they'd have a hemorrhage and it'd just fucking go through their nose?
unidentified
Oh yeah, you'd see blood splurging out their nose while doing deadlifts.
joe rogan
One of the guys, Robert Oberst, was on my podcast recently.
He's one of those strongest man competitors.
They're so big, they don't even look like real people.
unidentified
You're around them and you're like, how are you so big?
joe rogan
They're so big.
These fucking gigantic humans.
brian moses
The human body is incredible.
joe rogan
It is, man.
There he is.
jamie vernon
You said this is the most he's ever lifted.
joe rogan
What did he take in his nose?
jamie vernon
Smelling salt.
joe rogan
Isn't that nuts?
They do smelling salts before they lift.
jamie vernon
Some dudes drink whiskey or something.
joe rogan
Yeah, I've heard that before.
But why smelling salts?
brian moses
You know, I wouldn't drink the whiskey.
I feel like that would make me too relaxed.
I'd probably shit myself or something.
joe rogan
Look at the signs of this fucking human.
brian moses
Yeah.
That's what, he's 425?
joe rogan
One, two, three.
unidentified
Hurrah!
jamie vernon
It's on the plate.
brian moses
How much weight is this?
jamie vernon
I didn't say.
brian moses
It's a ton?
jamie vernon
I just said it's the most he's ever done.
joe rogan
Bro, look at the bar, Ben.
Ugh!
God!
Jesus Christ.
Look at the fucking bar bend.
unidentified
It doesn't really say there, no.
joe rogan
Jesus.
Good enough.
We get it.
But the smelling salts are so strange.
brian moses
Yeah, right?
But NFL players do that too on the sideline.
joe rogan
Imagine if you did that right before you went on stage.
brian moses
I might.
joe rogan
Just took smelling salts.
brian moses
I might.
joe rogan
Maybe that's the move.
brian moses
Right?
joe rogan
Maybe we're missing out.
brian moses
I think for your next show you gotta do that shit.
Just fucking pound it real quick.
joe rogan
Hitler to Mussolini.
Just...
I just go up there and just rant for five hours.
Everybody's like, shut him up.
brian moses
Did you see Rogan's seven-hour set?
joe rogan
Oh, my God.
Yeah, he took smelling salts.
brian moses
All brilliant.
joe rogan
His nose was bleeding.
jamie vernon
What's it smell like?
brian moses
Took the best angles.
joe rogan
No, I don't know what it smells like.
jamie vernon
I've never smelled it.
I was going to ask how to compare a stink bomb or something like that.
brian moses
It's real strong.
The scent is strong.
joe rogan
Oh, my God.
Freaking out.
brian moses
And it just pops your brain like wide awake.
Yeah.
joe rogan
And then you fucking lift.
Damn.
brian moses
Yeah, you become like Dan Cook on stage.
You'd be like so physical.
joe rogan
No one's that physical.
No one's smelling salts physical.
brian moses
No one's smelling salts physical?
unidentified
Yeah.
brian moses
We should make Jeremiah Watkins do it.
joe rogan
Oh my God.
brian moses
Because he would.
joe rogan
Get Watkins on smelling salts?
brian moses
Yeah.
joe rogan
He would be the first guy to have like, what kind of physical comedy does he have?
Oh, like smelling salts physical.
brian moses
Yeah, exactly.
joe rogan
The most physical level.
brian moses
Not cocaine.
Not kennis and shit.
You're talking about smelling salts.
joe rogan
Well, who's like, it'd be like, Dane Cook is one of the most physical.
Like, Jim Carrey was very physical.
unidentified
Physical, right.
brian moses
Robin Williams.
joe rogan
Yeah, but Jim Carrey would, like, fall down and fucking do pratfalls and go crazy.
brian moses
Right, he's an acrobat.
joe rogan
Yeah, he could move weird, too.
He had, like, a real flexibility to the way he moved.
unidentified
Yeah.
joe rogan
Remember in, Like Ace Ventura, Pet Detective.
brian moses
I mean, that was on display, right?
joe rogan
Yeah, yeah, yeah.
I mean, that was part of his whole thing, was how wacky he moved, you know?
brian moses
A man with a thousand faces, right.
joe rogan
But then, you'd have smelling salts, physical, next-level shit.
unidentified
Yeah.
joe rogan
Just like those kids in the day, they couldn't do the BMX flip three times, right?
brian moses
No, they can, right.
unidentified
Now they can.
brian moses
Yeah.
joe rogan
That's the same thing with smelling salts.
brian moses
I gotta see this.
I gotta fucking try this, actually.
jamie vernon
It's just ammonia.
brian moses
Is it?
jamie vernon
Yeah, it releases ammonia when you break the thing or open the cap or whatever you're doing.
joe rogan
Okay.
brian moses
Oh, that's nothing.
joe rogan
That ain't shit.
brian moses
That's Windex.
jamie vernon
They used to make it from deer antlers and hooves.
joe rogan
What?
jamie vernon
Oh!
Yeah, there's shit called Spirit of Hartshorne.
joe rogan
Folks, this has been the most educational experience ever of this podcast, I would say, with both real and false information.
brian moses
Ha ha!
We don't know.
We can't decipher which is both.
joe rogan
We gave you nonsense and we gave you truth.
And we hope you enjoy it.
Brian Moses, tell these people where they can find you.
brian moses
Yeah, you can find me at RaceBanning on Twitter.
FoxCompton on Instagram.
Or just see me at the Rose Battle every Tuesday night at the Comedy Store.
joe rogan
Every Tuesday night.
What time does it start at?
brian moses
11 o'clock.
joe rogan
11 o'clock.
11 p.m.
One of the rare scheduled 11 p.m.
shows anywhere.
How about that?
Regularly scheduled show at 11 p.m.?
Pretty fucking rare.
brian moses
It's dope, dude.
You came one time.
It was past your bedtime, but you still did it.
joe rogan
I did.
I took my Mylanta.
That's it, ladies and gentlemen.
Brian Moses.
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