May 21, 2019 - The Joe Rogan Experience
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| And we're live. | ||
| How are you, sir? | ||
| What's going on, man? | ||
| Very well, thank you. | ||
| First of all, thank you very much for the coffee machine. | ||
| I just learned that it's turmeric. | ||
| I used to say turmeric. | ||
| I used to not even think there was an R in there for some strange reason. | ||
| Well, in Hawaii, it's Olena, so it just depends on which country you're in, yeah. | ||
| It's a root, right? | ||
| Yeah, it's in the ginger family. | ||
| And is it, why do they call it Olena? | ||
| That's just a Hawaiian name. | ||
| I mean, the Indians probably have another, you know, in India it's probably one of the most used, you know, roots. | ||
| It's in every, all Indian foods is full of it. | ||
| Yeah, it's really healthy for you, right? | ||
| It's great for inflammation. | ||
| Yeah, and gut health, too. | ||
| So you gave me this Laird Superfoods coffee machine, and I'm addicted to this now, this coffee with turmeric. | ||
| I've never had it before. | ||
| Well, there's some other minerals and stuff in there, too. | ||
| So if you're addicted to it, it's because there's things that are good for you. | ||
| Yeah, like I crave it. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| Like it seems like something I should be drinking. | ||
| Well, your body wants it. | ||
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Yeah. | |
| You know, I think sometimes people think cravings are based on negative, like, oh, it's bad because I crave it. | ||
| But I think cravings are natural. | ||
| But we abuse it when we use garbage. | ||
| But when you're craving something like that, I mean, there's a bunch of minerals and a bunch of good fats, and there's a bunch of good stuff in there. | ||
| Yeah, it's hard to tell though, right? | ||
| Like sometimes you crave sugar. | ||
| Sometimes you crave ice cream. | ||
| There's some cravings that are not good, but other ones are. | ||
| Exactly. | ||
| But the system of craving, I believe, is part of a natural human thing that we have that was meant to crave good things, but we abuse it because sugar in nature is meant to be safe. | ||
| That means it's safe to eat. | ||
| Right, right, right. | ||
| But then we abuse it by disguising a bunch of garbage with sugar and then people think, oh, that's great to eat. | ||
| That makes sense. | ||
| Yeah, because whenever I lift weights, I crave protein. | ||
| I crave like fish or chicken or steak or something. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| Well, you're beating up muscles. | ||
| You want protein. | ||
| Yeah, but it's an instantaneous craving. | ||
| It's like right away, I'm like, oh, I've got to eat something. | ||
| So you've got me cranking the sauna up. | ||
| Your wife told me that you crank yours up to 220 degrees. | ||
| Is that real? | ||
| That's real. | ||
| God damn, man. | ||
| I get to 210, and I'm like, how long do you do at 220? | ||
| Well, it depends on how cold you go into it. | ||
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Oh, okay. | |
| So if your core temperature is weighed down, you can... | ||
| If you got off a stationary bike and your core was nice and hot and you went in there, you'd be lucky to get 10 or 15 minutes out. | ||
| If you come out of an ice tub or you've been outside with minimal clothing, you could go in there for 20 minutes at 220. So it just depends on where your core is. | ||
| Is that how you do it? | ||
| You do from an ice bath? | ||
| I will do it from a nice path. | ||
| I think you just break it up. | ||
| It's just like anything, any kind of training. | ||
| You just want to constantly stress the system. | ||
| And if you're used to a certain pattern, go into it hot. | ||
| Like if you go into a sauna hot, coming off of some cardio, it's twice as hot. | ||
| If you go in cold, then you can go for a longer period of time. | ||
| And same with the ice. | ||
| I mean, if you go into the ice cold, the ice will tap you. | ||
| If you go in hot, you can be there. | ||
| It's Yeah, they're doing some studies now on hot yoga out of Harvard. | ||
| They're trying to figure out if hot yoga mimics the positive health effects of sauna. | ||
| And so the idea is that because you're straining and resisting, it feels much hotter than 104 degrees. | ||
| If you had a sauna that was 104, 105 degrees, it'd be nothing. | ||
| For sure. | ||
| But yoga at 105 degrees is pretty rough. | ||
| Rough. | ||
| Well, because again, core temperature is hot. | ||
| So we do some stationary bikes in the sauna. | ||
| Oh, wow. | ||
| And that, I mean, that's just, it's like you can always up the ante. | ||
| You know, it's like a weight stack. | ||
| You just slap more lead on there. | ||
| And we'll do, we'll do, we'll go in this with an assault bike. | ||
| I have an assault bike in one of the saunas and we'll crank that thing up. | ||
| And, you know, I mean, you're lucky. | ||
| You might be five or ten minutes in your, your... | ||
| But I think, you know, we're such good adapters. | ||
| Our adaptation is amazing. | ||
| And you do some stuff for a while. | ||
| I think pretty soon you're like, oh, I can handle an assault bike at a survivable pace, you know. | ||
| Yeah, survival. | ||
| That's a rough machine. | ||
| Rough machine. | ||
| I have the Rogue version, the Echo Bike. | ||
| That thing is fantastic. | ||
| I love it. | ||
| For sure. | ||
| Well, it's all four limbs. | ||
| Yeah, all four limbs. | ||
| It's one of my all-time... | ||
| Two Tabatas. | ||
| I do Tabata sprints on it. | ||
| My all-time favorite method of cardio. | ||
| I love it. | ||
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For sure. | |
| Well, low impact on the system. | ||
| You're not beating the joints up. | ||
| All four things are working. | ||
| You could throw in some nose breathing in there or something and breath-holding intervals or something just to... | ||
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Yeah. | |
| Pain and suffering. | ||
| You were explaining nose breathing to me out there. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| How nose breathing is better. | ||
| Better for you. | ||
| Because of? | ||
| Well, first of all, you were designed to breathe. | ||
| Your sinuses and your nose were designed for breathing. | ||
| And so you actually emit a gas in your sinuses, from my understanding, a gas called nitric oxide, which is a vasodilator. | ||
| It helps you absorb oxygen. | ||
| So by breathing through your nose, plus you reduce the amount of intake that you have, and that gets you CO2 tolerant. | ||
| So all of a sudden you're breathing less volume. | ||
| I mean, you know from the fight game, as soon as a guy goes to mouth breathing, you're like, he's toast. | ||
| You know that, right? | ||
| That's your first giveaway. | ||
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Yeah. | |
| So, your ability to deal with stress and breathe through your nose. | ||
| I mean, everybody should be breathing through their nose, in their sleep, walking around. | ||
| I mean, somehow we became mouth breathers in the last 200 years, and they're not sure why. | ||
| There's a great book called The Oxygen Advantage by Patrick McDougall that he actually is on our board of XPT. | ||
| But he kind of realized that our issues really stem from mouth breathing, chronic mouth breathing, which is scrubbing our CO2 and keeping our CO2 levels down, which is the marker to absorb oxygen. | ||
| So when your CO2 levels are down, you don't absorb the oxygen from your bloodstream. | ||
| The cells don't take it as soon as the CO2 goes up, then the body starts to pull it out of the blood. | ||
| Interesting. | ||
| So smaller amounts by breathing through the nose actually makes you absorb more oxygen. | ||
| Well, keeps your tolerance. | ||
| Keeps your tolerance. | ||
| Yeah, but definitely gets your CO2 tolerant up, but the smaller volume helps your body become more tolerant of higher levels of CO2. But the sinuses themselves emit a gas that helps the lung absorb the oxygen, and that's what I've been led to understand. | ||
| I had a broken nose until I was 40. My nose was useless. | ||
| I couldn't get anything out of it. | ||
| It had been broken like who knows how many times. | ||
| And the inside was all caked up with scar tissue and calcified. | ||
| And when I got it fixed, it was like the world changed. | ||
| It was like... | ||
| I couldn't do that. | ||
| I just couldn't breathe out of my nose. | ||
| I would go to yoga class. | ||
| They'd tell me to breathe out of my nose. | ||
| I'm like, I don't have one. | ||
| I could smell farts. | ||
| That's it. | ||
| I could smell gas and gasoline. | ||
| It has to be rough for me to smell it. | ||
| But now, I have a real nose. | ||
| I always encourage people, if you have a broken nose, please get that deviated septum fixed. | ||
| Well, you know, it's surprising if you start to nose breathe, even if you have struggle, because of that gas, it helps you open up. | ||
| A lot of people, I mean, I'm not saying that you have that, but a lot of people actually will gain volume after a few weeks of forcing themselves to nose breathe. | ||
| They'll actually start to open up all of that system. | ||
| That actually makes sense. | ||
| Your body will just adapt and try. | ||
| It forces it to open, but yeah, it's all about nose breathing. | ||
| Wow. | ||
| I just thought it was just more difficult, so it's probably a good thing to do for discipline. | ||
| Absolutely. | ||
| And if you can do your cardio and retain a nose breath, you have another gear. | ||
| Because then when you go to mouth, it's like having a blower in your car or something. | ||
| You open up the air, and it's a whole new game. | ||
| So by being able to sustain a high output with nose breathing... | ||
| And like I said, it's all about the tolerance for CO2. It's how much CO2 you can handle in your system. | ||
| That's why altitude screws people up because the CO2 jacks up and they don't have a tolerance and then you get all wonky and you feel like crap. | ||
| Yeah, and it's interesting you're talking about cravings, because one of the things that I've noticed since I've been, I cranked up the temperature in the sauna for the first week to 200 degrees, and I've been doing 210 for the last few days. | ||
| And you crave it now. | ||
| I crave it. | ||
| Like, when I'm at home, I'm like, I can't wait to get back in that goddamn sauna again. | ||
| Meanwhile, when I'm in there, I can't wait to get out. | ||
| It's weird. | ||
| There within lies the struggle. | ||
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Yeah. | |
| I mean, the ice is the same way. | ||
| Like, I have an addiction to ice, and I've, you know, recently I've been, just came back from Hawaii, and I'm, like, dealing with this ice machines broken down. | ||
| I'm waiting for the new one. | ||
| I keep calling the guy and go, hey, when are you going to put the thing in? | ||
| And he's thinking it's, like, a luxury, like, yeah, you know, you got to, what do you need an ice machine at your house for? | ||
| I mean, because I have two, like, restaurant-sized ones. | ||
| Two of them? | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| Well, I have a lot of friends. | ||
| But he's like, what do you need that for? | ||
| And I'm like, just get, you know, he's got the tubs. | ||
| I'm like, I need, but my body craves, you get it. | ||
| Listen, your body is just craving the things that are bringing the hormones and doing, I mean, it's like why you crave exercise. | ||
| You know, I have a theory that the reason why people are hooked to cardio activity is because it's forced breathing. | ||
| and willingly just sit on your floor and breathe heavy for an hour. | ||
| So your body's like, okay, let's go for a run. | ||
| Like, let's go, you need to run. | ||
| You better run. | ||
| You better run. | ||
| And then you go run, and then the body gets that absorption of – gets that oxygen that it really wants. | ||
| I feel like there's probably several factors because also I feel like when I'm really consistent with my workouts, I know that I'm gaining momentum. | ||
| And I know, like, ah, you know, I'm consistent. | ||
| Everything's going great. | ||
| I'm in great shape right now. | ||
| I've got to keep pushing this. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| That feels like, it feels like just positive results are being achieved, and you sort of get addicted to success. | ||
| But also, too, the body, the adaptation, if you ever put yourself under some real severe stress in multiple days, the first day you feel like you're not going to be able to make it, the second day you're feeling like you really can't make it, the third, pretty soon the fourth day, the body's like, oh, this is the new house we're living in? | ||
| Like, this is where we're at? | ||
| Okay, well, we're going to adapt and modify, and then pretty soon you're doing even more than you were doing the first couple days, and you're not even feeling it. | ||
| And so it's like, we're an amazing... | ||
| An amazing machine, you know, we're an amazing creature. | ||
| Just the way we can handle the load, and especially in our new world where we, you know, don't have to do much. | ||
| Yeah, unless we want to. | ||
| Do you know who Eddie Izzard is? | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| The comedian? | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| He ran a series of marathons all around the UK and he did one in South Africa. | ||
| And he was on two weeks ago and he was telling me that when you first started doing it, like the first few were really hard, but then your body's like, well, this is what we do. | ||
| We run marathons. | ||
| And then like day three, day four, things started picking up, day five. | ||
| And by the time day 10 came along, he's just running. | ||
| For sure. | ||
| For sure. | ||
| I got a friend ran 125 in a row and then he ran the Boston after that. | ||
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Yeah. | |
| And then he had a fight in Vegas, and he ran a marathon in the morning, and then he knocked the guy out in the third round after. | ||
| He ran a marathon in the morning and then fought that day? | ||
| Holy shit! | ||
| Who is this? | ||
| Tom Jones. | ||
| Yeah, Muay Thai. | ||
| Seven-time Muay Thai world champion. | ||
| Jesus Christ, Tom Jones. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| What the fuck, man? | ||
| You run a marathon the day you fight? | ||
| Imagine if a dude knocked you out after you ran a marathon. | ||
| I'd be like, I'm done. | ||
| This is not me. | ||
| I'm going to learn how to play golf. | ||
| Fuck this. | ||
| Yeah, Muay Thai. | ||
| Fuck this and fuck Tom Jones. | ||
| That's crazy. | ||
| So he ran 125 marathons in a row. | ||
| So 125 days of marathons? | ||
| To Boston and then he ran the Boston when he got there. | ||
| He ran across the country. | ||
| What? | ||
| He ran across the country. | ||
| So that's how he got there? | ||
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Yeah! | |
| So he ran a marathon, took a nap, ate some food, ran a marathon, took a nap, ate some food. | ||
| What the fuck? | ||
| But it just shows you that ability to adapt and what we can do. | ||
| It's amazing how the body will just, when you push it and you keep, it'll just be like, it'll ramp. | ||
| And I think for us in our new world that we live in, that seems so... | ||
| Crazy, but probably in the past we were like, oh yeah, well we went all the way down to South America and we did some hunting down there and then we, you know, trekked a marathon or two per day and we came all the way back to Alaska, you know, like. | ||
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Right, right. | |
| You know, like that was just our life. | ||
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Yeah. | |
| Well, especially when they used to persistence hunt, you know, when they would just run an animal down. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| Because animals are great for sprints. | ||
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Yeah. | |
| Especially like gazelles and things along those lines. | ||
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Yeah. | |
| But you know what the real technique really is based on? | ||
| Is that our breathing. | ||
| That breathing is what gives us... | ||
| We have an ability to adjust our breath so we can actually adjust how many times we breathe per motion where a lot of these animals are breathing for a rep. | ||
| Every rep is a breath. | ||
| So every step is... | ||
| And we can do multiple steps in one breath, and so that's why we can outrun a horse. | ||
| At the end of the day, you always see in the cowboy movies, the horse is laying dead in the desert, and the guy's still going along, but because those mammals are breathing, every breath is a rep. | ||
| And you imagine how tiring that is. | ||
| Like you hear a horse run, sh-sh-sh-sh-sh. | ||
| Right? | ||
| They're breathing. | ||
| And we're rerunning full speed, but we can just do a breath and then do five or six or eight reps, and that gives us that endurance. | ||
| That's why we can run those gazelles down, because those guys are just breathed out. | ||
| That's interesting. | ||
| Well, I'm always very appreciative of guys like you that are in my age range. | ||
| You're 55, right? | ||
| I'm 51. Speed limit. | ||
| Yeah, speed limit. | ||
| But you're also very fit and very active and you keep going, whereas a lot of guys around 55, like, it's a wrap. | ||
| Turn off the car. | ||
| Yeah, there's not much in the tank. | ||
| And so I like to see guys that are in my age bracket who are a little bit ahead of me, like, oh, he's going. | ||
| I can keep going too. | ||
| I think a lot of that is just thinking and knowing that you can. | ||
| Because I think so many people feel like, hey, I'm 45. It's time to settle down. | ||
| It's time to relax and wind down this exercise. | ||
| People use that as a disclaimer to not do the work. | ||
| It's like now I'm 45, so now I'm too old. | ||
| For me, I think that's a way out. | ||
| That's a way to go, hey, I don't want to do the work anymore. | ||
| One of my best friends just passed this last year, and he was 85 when he passed. | ||
| I mean, he did the Ironman 10 times. | ||
| The first time was when he was 50. And then he's done the Race Across America three times. | ||
| I mean, he was just an animal. | ||
| Bang iron every day, ride the bike. | ||
| At 85, he was doing all that still? | ||
| An animal. | ||
| An animal till the day he died. | ||
| I was like... | ||
| And his name was... | ||
| And the irony was his name was Don Wildman. | ||
| And so, like, that's his given name. | ||
| No, I'm serious. | ||
| That's his... | ||
| That's amazing. | ||
| His given name. | ||
| I go, anybody named the Wildman's got to keep it up. | ||
| But he was, you know, like you're talking about... | ||
| when you go what does it look like when i see i mean you look at it's interesting to see in sports right now we have a lot of athletes right now that are operating as they're the oldest that you know that they that we've seen and i believe a lot of it has to do with the fact that that uh you know that they've have some examples but they're also not take accepting that hey now you're too old like that's because that's a decision like hey oh now you're too old Oh, yeah, you're going to keep doing that? | ||
| It's like, yeah, you're going to do it all the way until they throw the dirt on the box. | ||
| We're going all the way full speed until we're not, and then when we're not, we're not. | ||
| What did Mr. Wildman die of? | ||
| Eventually, it was a cancer that he couldn't fight through chemo, but it was within a couple weeks. | ||
| He just shut it down. | ||
| It was at one point... | ||
| He was a little bit like the Ever-Ready Bunny and Humpty Dumpty. | ||
| He would just double knee surgery. | ||
| He had a broken leg and he'd be on a stationary bike with a crutch on one of the pedals. | ||
| And he'd be pedaling and crutching on the other leg. | ||
| I mean, he was just absolutely... | ||
| Out of his mind. | ||
| And the doctors would be like, oh, you're healing faster than a 30-year-old. | ||
| And I'm like, yeah, because he's just a cardio monster. | ||
| And so he's getting that blood flow. | ||
| And we were helicopter snowboarding in Chile last summer, not this one, but the one before. | ||
| And I was with the guide, and the guy goes, hey, how old is your buddy? | ||
| And I'm like, he's 84. And he looked at me, and he's like, yeah, no, but how old is he? | ||
| And I'm like, he's 84. And he's like... | ||
| Yeah, he's 84. Like, check it out, buddy. | ||
| He's going fakie and like, I mean, you know. | ||
| But he was our, you know, he was our poster child. | ||
| He's our guy. | ||
| We look at, we go. | ||
| I mean, and I've had a few of those, I think, you know, that I've been exposed to in my life where there's guys that just – those are the guys that I always admired. | ||
| I always admired the guys that just were always going full speed and never, you know, they didn't succumb to all that pressure from society. | ||
| Like, hey, you're old now. | ||
| Are you going to still do that? | ||
| What do you think? | ||
| You're a kid. | ||
| Just all the bullshit that you can feed into and be a victim of. | ||
| Yeah, we have these preconceived notions of what it's like to be 30, what it's like to be 50, what it's like to be 85. | ||
| And some people are like, yeah, you can fuck that. | ||
| I'm not interested. | ||
| Yeah, because they're never looking at age as some like... | ||
| Right, right, right. | ||
| And that's why I think a lot of people look forward to retirement, right? | ||
| They look forward to those golden years where they're just holding hands and walking towards the sunset. | ||
| Just jump on a sword. | ||
| I mean, at that point, then you're just alive dead. | ||
| You know, you're dead, but you're alive. | ||
| But I think some people look forward to some day where they don't have to struggle. | ||
| Then they can't be on earth. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| You can't be... | ||
| Well, you can. | ||
| I mean, like, I'm sorry. | ||
| The system is a little bit designed to struggle. | ||
| Everything that we do that's good for us has a certain amount of stress. | ||
| It's like, you want to get in that sauna? | ||
| You want to get on that salt bike? | ||
| You want to jump in that ring? | ||
| You want to hike that mountain? | ||
| It's all stress-driven. | ||
| And the fact is, that's our universe. | ||
| That's the universe we live in. | ||
| And so if you got some other... | ||
| And I appreciate, let's hack our way through it. | ||
| And I think there's ways that hacking supports us. | ||
| We can hack our way, but only support the things that we're doing. | ||
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Yeah. | |
| But thinking that you can just hack your way through and not actually suffer, it's impossible. | ||
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You just, you gotta suffer. | |
| I also think you don't appreciate the good times unless you suffer. | ||
| Absolutely. | ||
| I think I appreciate food more when I work out. | ||
| I appreciate life more. | ||
| I like doing things more when I struggle. | ||
| Absolutely. | ||
| I can tell you, I know sitting down is an incredible thing. | ||
| Like when you go, wow, this feels so good. | ||
| Just to sit down. | ||
| Yeah, because you're straining so hard. | ||
| Yeah, for sure. | ||
| But a lot of people don't recognize that. | ||
| That's a lesson I think people really need to get drilled into their head. | ||
| It's not that tricky. | ||
| Right. | ||
| No, I'm just saying, this isn't rocket science. | ||
| This isn't like elaborate. | ||
| It's available for everybody. | ||
| Just move. | ||
| Yeah, just move. | ||
| Just keep going. | ||
| Drive it hard. | ||
| And I can promise you, you'll sleep better. | ||
| Like everybody, we have a lot of sleeping issues right now. | ||
| And I'm just like, well, people aren't tired enough. | ||
| My daughter was like, oh yeah, having a hard time sleeping, and now she's been banging tennis balls seven hours a day, and I'll tell you, she's not having a problem sleeping now. | ||
| She's sleeping real well. | ||
| I'm like, yeah. | ||
| I think a lot of it's this lack of movement. | ||
| We just stop moving. | ||
| Yeah, and then your brain races because your body's not getting exhausted, so you develop all this anxiety and all this weirdness. | ||
| Hunter-Gatherers did not have the need for Ambien. | ||
| I guarantee it. | ||
| There was no melatonin. | ||
| There was no need. | ||
| Yeah, the melatonin was created in their retina from staring at the sun in the early morning light. | ||
| I mean, they were up, they were moving, and they were up early, and they were going until dark, and at dark it was time to lay down, and then you just did that, and you were not, sleep issues weren't a problem back then. | ||
| It's interesting. | ||
| I'm learning from my dog, because my dog is up first thing in the morning when the sun is up, and then when it starts getting dark out, once he eats, man, he's just laying down. | ||
| He's like, what's up? | ||
| I'm just chilling over here. | ||
| Oh, yeah. | ||
| And I'm constantly studying my dog. | ||
| I would have brought him, but he's getting his nails done today. | ||
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Is he really? | |
| Yeah. | ||
| Yeah, well, because he's just ripping up the floor. | ||
| He's got some hooks, but... | ||
| But I watch him never leaves his bed without stretching first. | ||
| In the morning, first thing, up dog, down dog. | ||
| Full up, down dog. | ||
| And then full speed, 80 miles an hour, like a little rocket. | ||
| And then just right to the couch and lay down. | ||
| And then just be totally sleeping. | ||
| And then just up, full speed, back to the couch and lay down. | ||
| I go, there's something to be said about that thing. | ||
| A little stretch, full speed, lay down. | ||
| Full speed, lay down. | ||
| But no warm up. | ||
| No warm up. | ||
| But people need warm up. | ||
| Do you agree? | ||
| I don't know. | ||
| I don't know about warm-up. | ||
| I think warm-up is being alive. | ||
| I think, you know, I mean, we never warmed up. | ||
| What's that? | ||
| What about if you're going to lift something heavy? | ||
| Do you think that you should warm the muscles up first? | ||
| Well, I think if you set the thing up and you put everything on and you set it all up, you're already starting to warm up. | ||
| And if you're psyching up and getting your brain ready to do something aggressive, I think that you've already, the adrenaline's already going and you got a lot of stuff. | ||
| I mean, if you just get up off a chair and walk over and try to grab a giant bar with a bunch of weight on it and lift it, that might be a problem. | ||
| But that wouldn't be, you would never do that. | ||
| In nature, when you were going to lift something heavy, usually there'd be some lead up to it, whether you walked to the place that you were going to and you got the thing. | ||
| I don't know. | ||
| I think there's mixed opinions about people say don't stretch before you work out. | ||
| That's been the most recent thing. | ||
| Before, it used to be loosen up before you work out. | ||
| I'm like... | ||
| I mean, my dog does up dog, down dog, and that's only after he's laying down. | ||
| And then he just goes full speed. | ||
| Well, I know that if I do Muay Thai, if I'm hitting the bag or something like that, I don't go hard at first. | ||
| I break a sweat. | ||
| I do the first two rounds, I'm just shadowboxing. | ||
| I mean, I don't full blast the bag until I'm sweaty. | ||
| But that's just my thoughts. | ||
| I mean, I feel like that's the way you're supposed to do it. | ||
| That's what I've always been told. | ||
| I think I would connect that more to part of is because of what we are now. | ||
| Because we're sedentary. | ||
| We're not fully in our nature essence. | ||
| We're not wild. | ||
| If we were wild, I think we wouldn't need as much any warm-up. | ||
| When you're wild, you don't need a warm-up. | ||
| But I think because we're not moving as much, because if you're moving all the time, you'd already be warmed up. | ||
| I would like to see a human from like 5,000 years ago. | ||
| I'd love to be around like a hunter-gatherer and see what they looked like. | ||
| Their pain threshold was crazy, first of all. | ||
| What they could endure. | ||
| You know their pain threshold was just ridiculous. | ||
| Like broken arm and be like, we'd still be operating with broken stuff, no problem. | ||
| Yeah, what did they do? | ||
| They just kind of like tied it up or something. | ||
| I mean, I don't know what they did. | ||
| That was when they advanced into medical. | ||
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Right, right. | |
| Yeah, right? | ||
| A lot of them probably just hobbled around until it didn't hurt as much. | ||
| Well, that's where inflammation came in. | ||
| Everything got inflamed so they would hold it naturally. | ||
| The body would hold it in position. | ||
| I mean, inflammation is designed to kind of immobilize it, cast it. | ||
| If it was your ankle, it would just get so swollen it couldn't move, but they'd still be on it. | ||
| They'd still be rolling. | ||
| It's just they wouldn't be moving it around because the body would naturally... | ||
| Do that. | ||
| The future of humans does not look so rosy when you really think about how we're slowly deteriorating, becoming these gelatinous balls of meat and tissue. | ||
| And the bodies are connected to the brains. | ||
| And so that's why we have some mind issues, too. | ||
| Because at the end of the day, the bodies aren't functioning correctly, so it's not feeding the brain correctly. | ||
| And so the brain, that's why we, I mean, I think that when you're really physically well, then your thoughts are physically well. | ||
| I think it definitely helps. | ||
| But people do not like to hear that. | ||
| Do you notice that? | ||
| Have you noticed that? | ||
| Yeah, absolutely. | ||
| You seem like a happy guy. | ||
| I don't think you're on any medication. | ||
| But some people who are want to think like, no, no, no, I have a medical problem and I need this. | ||
| Even if they don't exercise, they go, no, no, no, you don't understand. | ||
| And then if I say, okay, but do you ever exercise? | ||
| They get mad at you. | ||
| Absolutely. | ||
| They get mad. | ||
| Absolutely. | ||
| You're suggesting I'm lazy. | ||
| You're suggesting I brought this upon myself because of my behavior. | ||
| No, I have a disease. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| No, again, I think that's a disclaimer. | ||
| That's a way out to not have to be accountable. | ||
| Be accountable. | ||
| Like, hey, that if I was out doing, moving and doing things, that it would actually make this go away. | ||
| You know, I mean, I think that... | ||
| I think a lot of depression is connected to that. | ||
| I believe icing could cure a big portion of depression just because of the hormonal response to the system. | ||
| Normally, when people are depressed, it's connected to some sort of hormone imbalance. | ||
| And to have a doctor try to figure out what that is, it's pretty elaborate. | ||
| It's pretty tricky. | ||
| Well, they've shown in studies that regular exercise is as effective as SSRIs. | ||
| Or more. | ||
| Exactly. | ||
| I think also diet because of inflammation. | ||
| Inflammation for sure leads to all sorts of different ailments, which could lead to a depressed feeling, a feeling of unwellness. | ||
| Well, just eat a bunch of garbage for a week and see how you feel. | ||
| I'd be depressed. | ||
| Or just drink some layered superfood turmeric coffee. | ||
| This stuff's a shit, man. | ||
| So the sauna thing, what is the benefit of getting it that hot? | ||
| Because people are asking me and I'm like, I don't know. | ||
| Listen, honestly, my problem is that if a lot is good, then even more is better. | ||
| That's me. | ||
| That's my mentality. | ||
| That's what I think. | ||
| We're both stupid. | ||
| No, I'm just saying, if 10's good, then 20's got to be even better. | ||
| But I think part of it is the natural evolution. | ||
| If you're sitting there doing time at 180 degrees and you can go in there and you're hanging out, And then just 20 minutes, it's 30 minutes, you might as well just try to turn it up. | ||
| And my understanding is that the Europeans, I mean, you know, you look at a sweat lodge, and you, I mean, it ain't 180. You know, if you go into any kind of sweat lodge, if you go to Europe, all the saunas are much hotter. | ||
| Like, it's like you go into a Russian, you know, steam thing. | ||
| It's not like those things are, you know, I think that they're pretty conservative with it. | ||
| I think you just listen to your body. | ||
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Yeah. | |
| If you go in there and you start hallucinating, you might want to step out. | ||
| You might be like, hey, maybe I ate something wrong or maybe I need to just give my body a break. | ||
| But I think you just use your own feeling as your guide. | ||
| And I know that if I'm properly hydrated before I go, my tolerance is substantially greater. | ||
| Like I can really measure. | ||
| I can be hydrated, go in and be like, oh yeah, no problem. | ||
| And I can go in dehydrated and feel wonky and be like, yeah, I'm not as good. | ||
| That makes sense. | ||
| I definitely have adapted. | ||
| I've definitely adapted to 200 degrees because when I go to yoga now, It does not seem nearly as hot. | ||
| 105 degrees, even at the end of the class, I'm like, this is interesting. | ||
| I was thinking of the last class. | ||
| I was like, this doesn't feel that bad. | ||
| Exactly. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| Well, that shows you right there that you're adapting and then all of a sudden your tolerance. | ||
| You know, a thing I really like about the sauna is I think it really plays into overheating as an athlete. | ||
| You know, you overheat and that's usually when you have issues, right? | ||
| As you overheat and then your performance is encumbered, right? | ||
| And so the more your tolerance is for the heat, the more you can handle overheating. | ||
| Pretty soon you don't overheat and then you just don't have that. | ||
| Because that's one of the factors that gets an athlete, I think, in any performance is you overheat. | ||
| Whether you're fighting or marathon running or basketball, any sport, when you start to overheat, That's usually when you're toast. | ||
| You're done. | ||
| You start losing your motor skills. | ||
| And if you can build that tolerance up, and I think, like you said, hey, if you go in 200 and 220, and then all of a sudden you're at yoga, you're at hot yoga, and it's 105, and you're just like... | ||
| Yeah, it seems like nothing. | ||
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Yeah. | |
| It really does make a giant difference. | ||
| It does. | ||
| I've only been doing it at 200 for a couple months now. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| Really, and 210 for, like I said, the last few days. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| But you have been doing it this hot for how long? | ||
| Well, I've been doing it for a while. | ||
| Like, I've been doing it. | ||
| It's been over the last couple years. | ||
| You know, I did one... | ||
| I did a protocol that I heard on Dr. Rhonda Patrick's show, and it was holding a one-hour... | ||
| A one hour straight at somewhere between 170 to 180. Whoa. | ||
| So that's another, and if you do that 10 days in a row, I was doing it twice a day for 10 days in a row, and you're supposed to get like some 1600% hormonal boost, like your whole body just goes into this radical hormone boost. | ||
| So 170 to 180, somewhere in that range? | ||
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Yep. | |
| Interesting. | ||
| One hour straight. | ||
| I was doing that and I did it twice a day for 10 days in a row. | ||
| And at the end of that, you got a different gear. | ||
| It's like all of a sudden you got OD in your gearbox. | ||
| Interesting. | ||
| Well, it definitely increases the red blood cell count, correct? | ||
| Absolutely. | ||
| I mean, I don't know all the science. | ||
| I just usually go off of instinct, and then sometimes it gets validated by science. | ||
| And so at the end, I mean, I think, and there really isn't any studies on it, but I truly believe that... | ||
| That heat is better after performance for recovery than ice. | ||
| I mean, I think ice is comfortable. | ||
| I had my... | ||
| I have a whole thing about pain, a relationship with pain, and I was doing a thing with... | ||
| I had a hip replacement, and I was set up to do all this icing before, and then I learned that icing suppressed the healing hormone. | ||
| IGF-1, there's a healing hormone that helps your body heal, and pain is... | ||
| Kicks that hormone off. | ||
| That's how the body knows. | ||
| So when you suppress pain, you stop that healing. | ||
| So you go on ice, you suppress that hormonal release of IGF-1, it's the healing hormone, and all of a sudden it's going to slow your healing down. | ||
| So if you do it because it makes you comfortable, like, hey, if you've been running around and you're overheating and you're going to go on an ice tub because it feels good, that's one thing. | ||
| But if you think that it's... | ||
| Going to benefit you. | ||
| I'm not sure. | ||
| I don't know yet. | ||
| I think heat could be the better benefit because you've got heat shock proteins which deal with damaged cells and all that stuff. | ||
| And I'm not listening. | ||
| This is just stuff that I hear that I'm feeling. | ||
| Full disclaimer, we're both not doctors. | ||
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Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. | |
| Full, yeah. | ||
| Dennis Miller, this is my opinion. | ||
| I could be wrong, of course. | ||
| And then they talk about growth hormone, that your body produces growth hormone in the heat as another one of the side effects. | ||
| And so, again, from my understanding, and I'm not a doctor, so when I hear that, I go, well, then heat should be the thing you do because after every game, every football, every basketball player, every athlete goes right to the ice tub. | ||
| And they go, if you're going there for comfort, Okay, cool. | ||
| That's great. | ||
| But if you think that that's actually the thing that's really going to bring you the best recovery, maybe heat's going to bring you the best recovery, but it's going to be miserable because the last thing you want to do after you finish a workout is go sit in a hot box. | ||
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Right. | |
| You're just not... | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| Interesting. | ||
| But for injuries, though, for injuries, they say you should reduce the inflammation. | ||
| But if what you're saying, that's interesting, right? | ||
| Well, the more pain, the more, you know, you know the old saying, no pain, no gain, right? | ||
| Is that true, though? | ||
| No pain, no gain. | ||
| No pain, no gain. | ||
| I mean, everything's painful. | ||
| Like, if you go in the heat, it's discomfort. | ||
| You go in a workout, you get sore. | ||
| I mean, no pain, no gain. | ||
| So if we go with the old, that old, you know, no pain, no gain. | ||
| I believe that the pain is associated with the healing because of that hormonal response that pain brings into you. | ||
| So I would attribute, like I had a fast recovery, but I attribute some of it is because I was not suppressing any of the pain. | ||
| So I think if you take pain meds, that's suppressing healing. | ||
| So if you say, hey, I'm so uncomfortable, I got to pop pain pills to endure this because it's so hard. | ||
| Well, then just extend the healing. | ||
| And the more you suppress the pain, no matter which way you do it, whether it's ice, pain pills, whatever it is, I believe the longer you extend the healing. | ||
| The more pain you can take. | ||
| I mean, inflammation is the marker for that healing hormone. | ||
| So again, reduce inflammation. | ||
| I don't know. | ||
| Again, I would like a doctor and somebody to tell me that really has a study that they know, that they've really looked at, to tell me that that's really working. | ||
| That the icing... | ||
| I mean, if you do it immediately, right when you get... | ||
| Snap your ankle and you go right in an ice bucket and keep it from fully, you know, inflaming? | ||
| Maybe. | ||
| In that instantaneous. | ||
| But doing it over days, I think that's just pain. | ||
| I think that's just comfortable. | ||
| Making it more comfortable. | ||
| That's interesting because you always see basketball players with ice on their shoulders, ice on their knees, like right after games. | ||
| Well, comfort. | ||
| Comfortable. | ||
| Yeah, I was just thinking they have to play so many games in a row, though. | ||
| Yeah, but it's also comfort. | ||
| I mean, I think it's because it feels good. | ||
| If your shoulder's all jacked up and you numb it, you know, just like a pain pill would do. | ||
| This is just a topical numbing. | ||
| Icing is just creating a... | ||
| You know the guy that created rice, which is like... | ||
| Rest ice, compression, elevation. | ||
| He came out last year and said, I was all wrong. | ||
| So, no, he did. | ||
| That guy came out in just... | ||
| Last year? | ||
| Well, in the last couple years, he... | ||
| He should feel really bad. | ||
| Everybody's been saying that forever. | ||
| I'm saying, but... | ||
| So, he came out and said, you know, that he was, you know, that he takes it all back. | ||
| So, you know... | ||
| I don't know. | ||
| I think there's no absolutes, but I'd be interested. | ||
| I've been trying to learn about it, like, hey, can you really tell me what really is the best thing? | ||
| Or maybe it's heat and ice combo, that heat and ice combo, because that does so much flushing to the system. | ||
| You know, squeeze down, the ice squeezes everything, and then all of a sudden the heat expands. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| So your contraction, expansion, and that, I know that that is a, you know, but that takes energy too. | ||
| That tires you down more than, you know, than the heat. | ||
| Do you do ice bath heat, ice bath heat back to back? | ||
| Yeah, I'll do it. | ||
| Like sometimes I'll take, I'll do it on a Sunday. | ||
| I'll do like seven rounds of that stuff. | ||
| How much time are you spending? | ||
| Well, that's why we want the intensity, right? | ||
| So the colder it is, the shorter you have to be there, and the hotter it is, the shorter you have to be there. | ||
| So if you're hanging out, so if you can get it down to 15 minutes, and three to five minutes, let's say three minutes in the ice and 15 minutes in the sauna, then all of a sudden, let's say 20 minutes around, then here you go. | ||
| You got two and a half, three hours That's why 170 to 180, you do a whole hour. | ||
| Yeah, but that's a whole different protocol. | ||
| That was just one I heard about, and I just tried it. | ||
| Part of it is because hard to stay in that thing for an hour straight at 170. | ||
| I mean, that's not an easy task. | ||
| Are you listening to anything in there? | ||
| Are you just... | ||
| Just the beat of my heart? | ||
| No. | ||
| Did you bring anything in? | ||
| Music or anything? | ||
| Yeah, I'll listen to music or something like that or a podcast or get somebody else to suffer with me. | ||
| Oh, right, right, right. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| - That's hard. | ||
| - Try to get somebody else, and maybe they come in for half, and then they're back out, and then they come in for the other part or something. | ||
| - When I'm on the road, I try to get comedians to come in the sauna with me at a hotel, and it's only like 150, 160, I'm like, you're out! | ||
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You've been here for 15 minutes, ain't shit! | |
| It's so easy. | ||
| But it's all what you're... | ||
| It's in your brain. | ||
| It's in your mind. | ||
| We're so, you know... | ||
| Comfort-seeking. | ||
| Domesticated. | ||
| We're so domesticated. | ||
| Oh, it's hot, it's cold, it's this, and, you know, we're just... | ||
| We're... | ||
| Now, is this something that's you, or is this the whole surfing community? | ||
| Are they into this kind of stuff? | ||
| No, I mean, you know, what's interesting is, because I'm a surfer, obviously, everybody thinks, oh, you know all the surfers and your friends are the surfers. | ||
| Actually, I'm not. | ||
| I really am kind of outside of the community itself. | ||
| I have friends that surf, but I'm so not part of, you know, and in my career, I haven't been part of the industry of surfing anymore. | ||
| Yeah, really. | ||
| So in a way, I'm, I mean, I have friends that surf that come and do it. | ||
| And we've definitely, there's been some influence into, I mean, surfers in general, at least the good ones are, you know, training and using these ice heat protocols. | ||
| And so they're, you know, they're aware and motivated. | ||
| But surfing in general is, you know, I mean, I don't even know what half those guys are doing. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| Well, I would think that they would be looking to you. | ||
| I mean, if I was a young surfer and I'd say, man, I fucking love surfing. | ||
| I'd like to be doing this when I'm 55. What is Laird Hamilton doing? | ||
| Yeah, but I don't know. | ||
| I think sometimes, you know, I mean, I think for a lot of... | ||
| Obviously, it's changed now, but in the past, I mean, you know, and it happens a lot with the younger people in general. | ||
| It's just like, don't tell me what to do. | ||
| I can eat whatever I want and do whatever I want. | ||
| I can go to Taco Bell and Burger King and stay up all night and still, you know... | ||
| Rip, you know, or do my thing. | ||
| And it's true probably in every sport. | ||
| And then, you know, I always say there's 1,000, you know, 20-year-olds, and then there's 530-years-olds, and then there's 250, 40-year-olds, and then there's like, you know, and then you just go as you go. | ||
| And there's less and less. | ||
| And, you know, I always love that, the term, the victory through attrition, you know, when you're just the last guy. | ||
| If you're just the last guy and you're standing, you don't have to be any good. | ||
| You just win. | ||
| You're like the winner. | ||
| You're like, you won. | ||
| You're the only guy left. | ||
| You know, that guy. | ||
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Yeah. | |
| I like that. | ||
| You've been following this just to improve your physical performance just for life. | ||
| Absolutely. | ||
| Absolutely. | ||
| I think I really cherish feeling good. | ||
| I cherish feeling good. | ||
| I really enjoy feeling good. | ||
| And so that drives me towards wanting... | ||
| And like I said, whether I had Paul Cech years ago, I went and did an assessment with him. | ||
| He's an interesting guy. | ||
| Very. | ||
| Watching his stuff a lot online. | ||
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Yeah. | |
| Yeah, and him and I had an instant connection, but I love the philosophical approach to certain things. | ||
| He said, and this had a huge impact on me 25 years ago, he was like, the three white devils are white flour, white sugar, and white milk. | ||
| And I'm like, okay. | ||
| Chocolate milk. | ||
| Drink that. | ||
| Yeah, just put cacao in it. | ||
| But if you put raw cacao and raw milk together, that's a powerful drink. | ||
| That's for real. | ||
| But if you put dead milk. | ||
| Homogenized, pasteurized. | ||
| Just abused. | ||
| And then you take some really bad cacao, if there's any at all in it, with a bunch of who knows, you can't pronounce it. | ||
| You know, he said, if it wasn't here 10,000 years ago, don't eat it. | ||
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Interesting. | |
| If you can't pronounce it, don't eat it. | ||
| And then the three white devils. | ||
| I mean, that's a philosophical- I'm having a hard time with turmeric, though. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| Why? | ||
| It's just the word. | ||
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Oh. | |
| I struggle pronouncing it. | ||
| Yeah, yeah. | ||
| But it was here 10,000 years ago, so you're covered. | ||
| Yeah, so I'm fine. | ||
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Yeah. | |
| Those are good pieces of advice, though. | ||
| Yeah, but just to look at food that way, it's like people go, what's your diet? | ||
| I go, plants and animals. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| Plants and animals. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| Don't make it difficult. | ||
| Don't be like, well, I eat this and that. | ||
| I think that the stress around that stuff is crazy. | ||
| But I really believe that to truly be, to have optimum performance and to be optimum, that you have to have Every spoke in the tire. | ||
| That you need every single spoke. | ||
| That you have to have a good relationship with your family. | ||
| You got to have love and you got to have good things with your kids and you got to have friends and you got to have your health and you got to sleep well and you got to be hydrated and you got to work out and you got to have your business thing. | ||
| I think you just have to have all these things to really have balance. | ||
| And I think if one of the spokes isn't tight, I think that's excellent advice. | ||
| I think that makes a lot of sense and it definitely keeps your mind clear. | ||
| You know you have your bases covered. | ||
| Covered. | ||
| You're not here, but there, but somewhere else. | ||
| And I know I've dealt with not having all the spokes good, and I know how that feels, and I know when it's good, you're clear, you're good. | ||
| And it's how we're meant to be. | ||
| I mean, we're meant to have that be real clean. | ||
| We're meant to have there be some balance. | ||
| You've got to have it. | ||
| Yeah, that's why, I mean, even overworking. | ||
| I mean, people think that, you know- They think that's a badge of honor. | ||
| Yeah, yeah. | ||
| Like, oh yeah, I work night thing and I don't sleep and I'm like, yeah, well, then you're compromising yourself. | ||
| I told Elon Musk that. | ||
| Did you? | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| I went to SpaceX one time and I pulled him aside. | ||
| He was standing out. | ||
| I go, hey, you know, you got to take care of this. | ||
| Put my hand on his chest. | ||
| I just go, you got to take care of this, but you got to take care of you. | ||
| What did he say? | ||
| I don't know if he understood. | ||
| He's a robot. | ||
| I don't think he understood. | ||
| He's barely a person. | ||
| I'm just saying. | ||
| I say that with all due respect. | ||
| Yeah, but I don't think he understood what I meant. | ||
| I felt like someone like that, if they were really taking good care of themselves, getting the right sleep, eating the right food, getting a workout, all those things, imagine. | ||
| Imagine. | ||
| If they can do what they're doing, burning it on both ends, imagine what they could do fully balanced. | ||
| Well, I don't think he wants to do any more than what he's doing. | ||
| I just think he's so obsessed with getting Tesla to run correctly. | ||
| When he was sleeping on the floor of the Tesla factory and working 17 hours a day, I mean, that's an insane person. | ||
| I mean, he was just there all day long trying to make it work. | ||
| And obviously it does work. | ||
| They're amazing cars. | ||
| Everything's... | ||
| It's beneficial, this drive that he has. | ||
| But I agree with you. | ||
| Like, for overall enjoyment of life, that's not the way to go about it. | ||
| Well, I think you have a blockage there, though, too. | ||
| I think if you can't pull back and look at it from a distance when you're in it, I think you get too detailed and then you can't, you know, you can't be... | ||
| I think it could be better because of that. | ||
| I think maybe it'd be profitable, you know? | ||
| It's hard, man. | ||
| It's a hard fucking business. | ||
| I mean, you're competing against, you know, the big boys. | ||
| Yeah, right. | ||
| But what's interesting is, even though they are doing that, he's managed to make something that's so different than anything else. | ||
| Do you have one? | ||
| No, I don't. | ||
| Fuck, man. | ||
| They're crazy. | ||
| I was reluctant. | ||
| I told him I'd buy one when he did the podcast. | ||
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Yeah. | |
| But I was like, God damn it. | ||
| I like muscle cars. | ||
| I like gear and engines. | ||
| But I drove that thing. | ||
| I was like, oh, other cars are stupid. | ||
| They're all stupid. | ||
| They are. | ||
| They're archaic compared to that thing. | ||
| They are. | ||
| And you see all the companies going that way now. | ||
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Oh, yeah. | |
| I mean, we were – because my buddy Wildman and I were into electric stuff. | ||
| And we went – and there was a guy that had an electric dragster. | ||
| And we went down with this electric dragster. | ||
| And it just smoked any top fuel dragster, like, beyond. | ||
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True. | |
| But it didn't make noise, so no one wanted to watch it. | ||
| And you're like, what happened? | ||
| No smell. | ||
| No noise. | ||
| No flames. | ||
| No burning gas. | ||
| No pollution. | ||
| Yeah, no pollution. | ||
| So people were like, oh, that's not fun. | ||
| Yeah, but when you drive a Tesla, like I have the Model S, the P100D, I think that's what it's called. | ||
| When you drive it, it's effortless. | ||
| You just go where you want to go. | ||
| Like, I'd like to be over there. | ||
| Shoo! | ||
| It's like a video game. | ||
| Like, all of a sudden, you're over there. | ||
| Well, you have to get used to it because I've been in them and driven them. | ||
| And it's interesting how the body has to acclimate to the acceleration because you're used to that jolting, that shifting, you know, first gear, second gear, third gear, all that delay. | ||
| It's like AC versus DC. You know, normal cars are like AC, a little gap between the power. | ||
| And when you get that, you know, the body has to get used to the... | ||
| I'm still not totally okay with not looking where you're going and just flipping it on autopilot, but... | ||
| You know, I guess that's for the next generation. | ||
| Well, that's fun on the highway, but, you know, I look where I'm going and I keep my hand on the wheel, but it is fun to, like, shut 10% of your brain off and just let the car kind of handle the speed. | ||
| And one, it does it well. | ||
| Does it well. | ||
| Does it well. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| Well, like I said, I think you need a person who's as obsessed as Elon Musk is to make something like that, but I agree with you. | ||
| If he wants to enjoy his life... | ||
| Well, just live longer. | ||
| Maybe have more ideas. | ||
| Have more influence. | ||
| Like, just I'm only speaking that way. | ||
| I just mean in the way of optimizing him, right? | ||
| Optimizing him because he's so amazing that, okay, let's optimize your amazingness by making you be healthier. | ||
| Take care of yourself so you can be around longer and maybe do more great things, right? | ||
| So again, I'm just speaking personally about when you try to look at optimization, right? | ||
| Like you're here, you only get so long, what are you doing? | ||
| And are you really optimizing it by... | ||
| Taxing the system and not getting all of it out of it that you, you know, but I guess in a way it's kind of like unhappiness, you know, people use that as a workout. | ||
| So that's a little, that makes you tired and you get hungry and, you know, there's always that. | ||
| Well, it's the choices you make, right? | ||
| Like, sometimes you just get stuck in the momentum of the choice that you made, and it's very difficult to, like, take that pause and go, okay, am I doing this the right way? | ||
| Maybe I need to reset. | ||
| Maybe I need to just take some time to really consider if this is making me happy and how many years I'm going to be able to do this and sustain it. | ||
| Yeah, well, that's a tricky thing, right? | ||
| That's a self... | ||
| Self, you know, analyzing yourself and putting that up is, I think it's easier just to keep going the direction you're going. | ||
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Sure. | |
| Just caffeinate and take some Adderall and keep hitting the gas. | ||
| Go full speed. | ||
| How long have you been living in Hawaii? | ||
| Well, my mom took me from San Francisco when I was six months old. | ||
| Whoa! | ||
| Wow! | ||
| Pretty much. | ||
| It was only a technicality that I wasn't born there, which actually worked against me. | ||
| Because when you're not born there, then you're not from there. | ||
| So they're like, oh, you're not born here. | ||
| And you're like, oh, yeah, but I've been here since I can remember. | ||
| So let's just put it that way. | ||
| Right, that's interesting. | ||
| When my memory actually worked. | ||
| They still hold it against you, the six months that you weren't here. | ||
| Oh yeah, oh yeah. | ||
| We missed you, bro. | ||
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Oh yeah. | |
| Six months, where were you? | ||
| Yeah, yeah, yeah. | ||
| You didn't come out of your mother here in the state. | ||
| But yeah, since I was a little kid. | ||
| I mean, my mom took me, I was born in San Francisco and she took me when I was a few months old. | ||
| I have a theory about people from Hawaii. | ||
| There's a groundedness that they seem to exhibit that is universal. | ||
| It's almost, you very rarely find completely frivolous, dopey people that live in Hawaii. | ||
| They're not, I mean, I'm sure you find some people that are not that smart, but there's a groundedness that so many of them have because they're on a volcano. | ||
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Yeah. | |
| And, you know, it's interesting that you talk about that because yesterday we were having a conversation about what is that, right? | ||
| And we have a couple terms. | ||
| One of them is mana, which is the power from the land. | ||
| Another one is aloha, which is kind of a spirit of how people act from Hawaii. | ||
| But I believe it has a lot to do with islanders. | ||
| I think islanders have that. | ||
| And it has a lot to do with... | ||
| It has a lot to do with the ocean, being around the ocean, that the ocean's surrounding you. | ||
| And the ocean is the most conductive substance on Earth. | ||
| So electrically, and there's all this thing. | ||
| So you get influenced by this. | ||
| And I think energetically, the nature is so powerful. | ||
| I think it puts us into – there's a certain kind of humility that you have. | ||
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Yeah. | |
| When you're in that, you're next to a volcano that's 14,000 foot and you got a 2,000 foot waterfall and you got a giant wave. | ||
| I mean, this is stuff that kind of goes, oh yeah, we're just little ants. | ||
| We're just little specks and we don't... | ||
| It's humbling, but it's also inspiring. | ||
| And energizing. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| Gives you power. | ||
| Right. | ||
| The mana. | ||
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Yeah. | |
| Yeah, I've always wondered why people that live in beach communities, they're so chill. | ||
| Like, I've wondered, is that because of just the humility that you get when you're just looking the ocean? | ||
| Well, The Blue Mind. | ||
| Have you ever seen that book? | ||
| No. | ||
| It's called The Blue Mind. | ||
| The guy's pretty interesting, and he does a study of why we gravitate towards being on the beach, why all the most expensive real estate is beachfront. | ||
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Hmm. | |
| And that something about when we stare at the ocean, they did all these studies where it just totally lights the brain up that our whole – something about the horizon and about the ocean itself that affects our whole well-being. | ||
| And part of it, we don't even know why, but we're just drawn like why are we drawn there? | ||
| Why do we – and it has an effect on our system. | ||
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Wow. | |
| I wonder if that's because we evolved to be close to the water because that's where the bounty is, where you can get fish. | ||
| Well, we evolved from the water. | ||
| That's true. | ||
| Do you ever follow that, the whole aquatic ape theory? | ||
| Yeah, I haven't really studied that. | ||
| I mean... | ||
| I know that when you're around dolphins and when you're around whales, and it's interesting, today I was in the ocean and I felt something was around and I could feel it. | ||
| I just knew something was around and then it just... | ||
| Five, ten minutes later, a big sea lion kind of popped its head up and went. | ||
| But I could feel before. | ||
| But when you're around those animals that are in the ocean, you definitely feel a kindred spirit with them, unlike you do with land animals. | ||
| You don't really have – I mean, okay, maybe a wolf or dogs because we were connected with them for 30,000 years. | ||
| We have that relationship. | ||
| You feel something with a dog. | ||
| But – But with the sea animals, like I say, when the dolphins come around and you just feel some kind of – there's just some – and they've done some studies with dolphins, how they affect kids that have different – Yeah, There's some healing ability and actually dolphins are capable of having a collective consciousness. | ||
| That's why when they get surrounded, the big ones don't just jump out of the net. | ||
| Everybody stays together. | ||
| But again, the aquatic ape that were from the ocean, I mean, listen, we call it the soup of life, right? | ||
| The ocean is the reason why we were here and why we can be here. | ||
| Because if it wasn't for that, it would be Mars and it would be hard to live there. | ||
| Yeah, there's something that attracts you to it. | ||
| It's very strange. | ||
| When you stand there, it's peaceful just to sit down at the beach and just stare out at the blue. | ||
| It is. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| Well, The Blue Mind is a great book. | ||
| That's a beautiful book about – talks about that and the science behind that and the effect it has on our system. | ||
| But, you know, in a way, watching the ocean move is a little bit like watching a fire. | ||
| You know how fire is mesmerizing. | ||
| You have a fireplace and you just watch the flames move. | ||
| Well, the ocean has that movement and a – Sometimes I'll go to the beach and I'll do a headstand and stand and look at the ocean upside down, which is crazy because now the ocean is the sky and the waves are moving opposite to what your brain is used to. | ||
| So it's something I'm doing when I'm bored at the beach. | ||
| Do you think you could ever live in a city? | ||
| I've stayed in a city for a little while before. | ||
| I mean, I moved to Manhattan at one point. | ||
| Did you really? | ||
| Yeah, I lived in Manhattan when I was about 17 or 18. I had some friends that used to come to Hawaii. | ||
| They lived in Manhattan and they invited me back for the summer and I lived there for a summer. | ||
| And, you know, it was dangerous for me to be there. | ||
| How's it dangerous? | ||
| Because you're kind of more wild. | ||
| You're a little more wild. | ||
| You're a little more like an animal, and then you're in confinement, and there's just not enough nature. | ||
| I'd go to Central Park and swing off trees and stuff, but that only did so much for me. | ||
| How old were you at the time? | ||
| Like 17 or something like that. | ||
| But you felt like a real urge to be around nature. | ||
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Always. | |
| Always. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| Always pulled to it. | ||
| I mean, I would just go to Central Park all the time. | ||
| Wow, that's interesting. | ||
| Yeah, I needed that. | ||
| And people don't realize when they lived there, but when you're in a place with giant cement buildings that are tall, you're in fight or flight the whole time. | ||
| Really? | ||
| Yeah, because you're threatened by these big masses that could... | ||
| Fall over and hit you. | ||
| Absolutely. | ||
| Right. | ||
| And you intuitively, you're living in that. | ||
| And then the noise and all of the people. | ||
| Because I grew up sitting in the back of the class, right? | ||
| I go to a restaurant. | ||
| I find a chair against the wall. | ||
| I go look for a chair and go, I'll sit in the corner. | ||
| I want to see what's coming. | ||
| I like to see what's coming. | ||
| And you go to New York and you're bombarded from every single angle of And so you're in fight or flight. | ||
| You're constantly on guard. | ||
| You don't know what's going to... | ||
| I'll take my chances in the ocean. | ||
| Yeah, I love visiting. | ||
| I love visiting Manhattan. | ||
| But as far as living there, man, I just don't... | ||
| And my friend Jeff lives there, and he's like, the energy of the city. | ||
| He always talks about the energy. | ||
| It's amazing. | ||
| I'm like, okay. | ||
| Well, it's retail therapy, too. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| Retail pair. | ||
| Retail mech. | ||
| That's why every woman in the world moves there. | ||
| Yeah, they want to shop. | ||
| Shop! | ||
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Shop! | |
| And then your friend goes, there's a lot of energy here. | ||
| I think he meant all the people. | ||
| People are moving. | ||
| They're doing things. | ||
| It makes me want to do things. | ||
| Yeah, yeah. | ||
| But I want to do things anyway. | ||
| I don't need that. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| Well, we weren't meant to live stacked on top of each other. | ||
| That's not in our nature. | ||
| That's not in our biology. | ||
| Right. | ||
| Is there an abundance of everything? | ||
| Yeah, there's a lot of things that make it attractive, right? | ||
| I mean, there's beautiful women that make it attractive. | ||
| There's all the food you ever wanted makes it attractive. | ||
| You know, there's an abundance of stuff, and there's always something you do. | ||
| You go to the theater. | ||
| You don't have to be... | ||
| Self-motivated. | ||
| You don't have to be self-driven. | ||
| There's always three, you know, ten parties and a bunch of things and speakers and science. | ||
| Just anything you can think of, there's every aspect of it. | ||
| So I think that has an attractiveness about it. | ||
| But in our essence, do we belong in these metropolises? | ||
| They don't really have any in nature. | ||
| So we wouldn't actually, that wouldn't be a place that, you know, and we can only handle so many people at once anyway. | ||
| We can only have real intimate relationships with 130 people or something crazy. | ||
| Yeah, it's like 150. What I'm fascinated by, though, is that these things exist everywhere and that cities exist in almost every single country. | ||
| There's a place like a Manhattan or like in LA where everybody's just jammed in together. | ||
| What is it about people that makes us want to live like this? | ||
| That's an interesting thing. | ||
| That's an interesting question. | ||
| Why are we attracted to that, well, the abundance, you know, and we're drawn to go where everybody wants to go, a little bit like sheep, you know, like we all go where everybody wants to go, opportunity. | ||
| I mean, there's all these things that, you know, why does every city draw every young person from the countryside, right? | ||
| Because of Opportunity, right? | ||
| Excitement. | ||
| Possibility. | ||
| The possibilities. | ||
| My friend Michael Malice was on the show yesterday and he was telling me that he was choking. | ||
| He swallowed a piece of food and he got it stuck in his throat and he went to a table in Manhattan. | ||
| He was in Manhattan. | ||
| And he was like, I'm choking. | ||
| And he said this to this table of people. | ||
| And he said this woman just stared at him with no reaction. | ||
| Like didn't smile or anything. | ||
| And he coughed and the food came up. | ||
| He goes, I was choking to death. | ||
| And she said, well, you should take smaller bites. | ||
| Like just the harshness of New York. | ||
| It's like the value of a human being is so much less because there's so many of them. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| That's a problem in the earth. | ||
| Yes. | ||
| Right now, our value for – and we become such a voyeur. | ||
| We become such voyeurs of like, well, I'll just watch you die. | ||
| I'll get a video of it and post this stuff. | ||
| Instead of like, wow, that guy needs help. | ||
| He's hurting. | ||
| Let me help him. | ||
| Now it's like, wow. | ||
| It's a strange phenomenon. | ||
| You'll get more help when there's less people around than you will when there's all the people around you. | ||
| Yeah, yeah. | ||
| There'll be a thousand people and they'll all just sit there and stare at a guy that's bleeding to death. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| Where when there's two people there, one of the people will tourniquet the guy's leg. | ||
| Right, right, right. | ||
| Like if you saw someone in the woods fall and break their leg and it was just you two, you'd feel totally connected to that person. | ||
| Whereas if you saw someone, there's a hundred people around, the guy falls or gets hit by a car, you're like, well, that ain't my problem. | ||
| That ain't my problem. | ||
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Yeah. | |
| And everybody goes, that's not my problem. | ||
| Diffusion of responsibility. | ||
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Yeah. | |
| Yeah, it happens in large groups of people. | ||
| You feel like somebody's going to handle this. | ||
| And no one does. | ||
| Yeah, no one does. | ||
| There was a video that I watched recently of this guy. | ||
| I don't know what was happening, but it was outside at night, some sort of a nightclub sort of a situation. | ||
| This woman hit this guy, and this guy knocked out this one woman. | ||
| Then another girl came out, and he knocked her out too. | ||
| And the guy's filming it. | ||
| Someone's filming it, and they're not doing anything about it. | ||
| No one's tackling this guy. | ||
| No one's grabbing it. | ||
| The guy runs away successfully. | ||
| And then the LAPD put a thing out looking for this guy. | ||
| I'm like, how the fuck does the guy with the camera live with himself? | ||
| How did you just film this guy punch two women? | ||
| Exactly. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| Unless you're a woman, too. | ||
| And you're like, I don't want this guy fucking me up, too. | ||
| I don't know. | ||
| Well, you just hit him with a brick, then. | ||
| I mean, you know, whatever. | ||
| I mean, just saying, just, you know, drive your car on him. | ||
| I'm just what I... But it is strange how we lose our humanity in these giant numbers. | ||
| Well, and we're doing it more, too. | ||
| Now, just with all of the – there's a bunch of factors that are playing into that, right? | ||
| Into us kind of separating ourselves from the person next door. | ||
| They're right there, but we're over here. | ||
| We're on our device looking down, and they're right next to us. | ||
| It's almost like we think that that's an invisible screen. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| There's also a thing about Hawaii that I've always found interesting is you kind of know everybody. | ||
| So you can't be an asshole. | ||
| That's a beautiful thing. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| Accountability. | ||
| Accountability. | ||
| You're going to see them at the store in five minutes. | ||
| So either you work it out and you agree that you don't like each other and it's just like an accepted thing or you work it out and you get through it. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| I love that. | ||
| Well, I love that about small towns too. | ||
| Small towns have the same thing. | ||
| But the thing about an island, it's a small town with an ocean around it. | ||
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Yeah. | |
| So there's really nowhere to go. | ||
| And you live on Kauai? | ||
| Yeah, I grew up on Kauai. | ||
| How many people live there? | ||
| About 60-something now, 65,000 or something like that. | ||
| That's hilarious. | ||
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| That's less than the Big Island, which is pretty... | ||
| Yeah, but it's big, though. | ||
| Yeah, Big Island, giant, and there's like 100-something, right? | ||
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Yeah, yeah. | |
| I mean, I lived in Maui for a while as well, but I grew up on Kauai. | ||
| Kauai is my, you know, that's got my heart. | ||
| It owns my heart. | ||
| So gorgeous there. | ||
| Gorgeous. | ||
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Yeah. | |
| And then you've got Honolulu, which might as well be Chicago or something. | ||
| Absolutely. | ||
| It's like city problems. | ||
| Absolutely. | ||
| They have real city problems. | ||
| And heavy military. | ||
| So they have a huge military. | ||
| And the military influences a city. | ||
| Like any city that has a military next to it, there's an effect that the military has on the city. | ||
| And Honolulu has that. | ||
| Honolulu is connected to the military. | ||
| It's got Pearl Harbor and all of that stuff. | ||
| And then a million people, which is insane. | ||
| Insane. | ||
| A million people. | ||
| Well, it's the gathering place. | ||
| Honolulu means the gathering place. | ||
| So it's like where everybody goes to, you know, that's where the state capital is. | ||
| That's our whole, that's Waikiki. | ||
| Why did that one place become so populated? | ||
| I don't know. | ||
| You know, I think it has to do with, if you look at most places that cities have been created, it's usually some geographical design, some shape, like a good harbor. | ||
| And obviously Honolulu is an incredible harbor. | ||
| So great harbor, great protection. | ||
| So that probably has a lot to do with the fact that it was developed like it was because of the nature of it. | ||
| I used to say if you went to Rio de Janeiro and no one was there and you showed up one day with a boat and no one had built anything, it would be... | ||
| If you showed up in Manhattan and you went up to Hudson and you pulled up onto that island, you'd be like, wow, this place is amazing. | ||
| So most of these places, if you're in Paris and you went and the Seine went around it, you'd be like, wow. | ||
| So most of the places where cities have been developed are amazing geographical locations. | ||
| And then out of necessity, they were easy to get to with boat. | ||
| That has a big factor to it. | ||
| There's always some sort of... | ||
| Strategic. | ||
| There's something to do with being a strategic location as well. | ||
| But yeah, I don't know why Honolulu, other than great for mooring and harbors and protected, real protected, all that Pearl Harbor stuff is very protected. | ||
| And so that made it very easy to develop. | ||
| If you didn't live there, where do you think you'd live? | ||
| I'd be on another planet. | ||
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| Well, I love Alaska. | ||
| But I don't think I – honestly, both Gabby and I have been splitting the years since we met. | ||
| And I realize that I'm nomadic or that I really like the animals. | ||
| I like to move in a season. | ||
| It feels more natural, actually. | ||
| And I kind of – With my daughters, we kind of influence them that way. | ||
| But I don't want to be anywhere all the time. | ||
| That's what I really realized. | ||
| I realized that I'm not good. | ||
| Well, you'll get caught up in a domestic with your neighbor. | ||
| There's something about being in one location all year round. | ||
| And it feels more natural to move according to the seasons, right? | ||
| Like, hey, it's summertime. | ||
| Energize. | ||
| We come to California in the summer. | ||
| The surf is down in Hawaii in the summertime. | ||
| That's when the waves are flat. | ||
| So I don't have the sea, which means I would shift to other land stuff. | ||
| It brings a whole set of opportunities. | ||
| It's like, why would we go north? | ||
| I mean, why would we go north in the summer? | ||
| Because it'd be more abundant. | ||
| But in the winter, you wouldn't go because it'd be too harsh. | ||
| So it's a little bit like that mentality where you move more. | ||
| Like if you're hunting and gathering, you'd definitely be moving according to the seasons. | ||
| Like you'd go where the fruit was when the fruit was good and you'd go where the hunting was great when the hunting was good and all of those things. | ||
| And that feels natural for me to just be back and forth. | ||
| So you do like six months in each place? | ||
| Is that what you do? | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| So you go Malibu and you go... | ||
| Yeah, Kauai. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| That's nice. | ||
| Well, and then you get to see both things, too. | ||
| Both things. | ||
| And open your mind. | ||
| Open your mind. | ||
| Open your mind. | ||
| And energetically, Malibu is very powerful. | ||
| Like where we are, you know, it's like Indian mountains and the mountains meet the sea. | ||
| And there's some, you know, people don't realize how abundant that sea life is, too. | ||
| They always call Malibu. | ||
| They have like a preconceived idea about what Malibu is. | ||
| But Malibu has a... | ||
| You know, Malibu means gateway to the sea in Chugash. | ||
| That's an Indian word. | ||
| Malibu is the gate, which in a way is the valley that opened from the plains where the buffalo were to the fishing and the ocean. | ||
| So there's something to that place that we feel comfortable. | ||
| And if you're going to be here for us, I can still be in the ocean. | ||
| I can still have that nature part, but then I can run into LA and Try to expand my brain a little bit. | ||
| Yeah, it is really a weird spot, right? | ||
| Like, Malibu has got a weird combination of really rich people that are completely detached, and they're on pills, and they're... | ||
| Like, that PCH is a terrifying place to drive. | ||
| One of the most dangerous. | ||
| So many fucking drunk driving accidents. | ||
| One of the most dangerous. | ||
| And it's windy. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| And you have the ocean, so good houses on it. | ||
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| And a cliff on the other side. | ||
| Narrow, winding, and bad drivers. | ||
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Yeah. | |
| In general. | ||
| Just all our drivers in America are terrible. | ||
| There's something about that range, too. | ||
| There's so many bars and restaurants where people drink. | ||
| There is. | ||
| That's a wickedly dangerous road. | ||
| There's detached people. | ||
| I've had friends that had their kids go to Malibu High, and they're like, Jesus Christ, everyone's doing drugs. | ||
| It's all fucked up. | ||
| And the children of these rich people are often neglected, raised by their nannies. | ||
| Parents aren't home, and they're just... | ||
| So you have that contrasted by some of the coolest people ever. | ||
| And you have some of the people that don't want to live in town, that work in the industry, highly successful, that want nature. | ||
| They want nature and they want to be in there and they're willing to drive that coast highway every day and go to work in town just to have. | ||
| The balance of being in the sanctuary. | ||
| So, you know, it's what we always say, bright light, dark shadow. | ||
| I mean, it's the nature of, it's what you get with it, you know, with the greatness you get is the, you know, the destruction that you get. | ||
| It attracts weirdos. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| It does. | ||
| Yeah, there's so many strange, eclectic people. | ||
| Eclectic. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| Which kind of makes it – but it makes it great too. | ||
| Like if you're – for the good group, you got guys – you go to the store and you got guys that are – that lived in Malibu for their whole life since they were kids. | ||
| They don't – they live up one of the canyons and they're totally grounded and – And then you got right next to them some giant mansion with, like you said, kids that are neglected. | ||
| But there's some good ocean there, and there's some good mountains. | ||
| So for mountain bikes and ocean activities, it's pretty... | ||
| The land stuff's always going to be tricky with the humans. | ||
| You get the humans, they're on land. | ||
| We rented a place on the water for like three months when we were getting our kitchen done, and it was crazy. | ||
| You just sit there, wake up, eat breakfast, you're on the water. | ||
| And the place we were at, the water would literally come to the edge of the house. | ||
| So it looks like you're sitting on the water. | ||
| Well, it's like being on a boat. | ||
| And you're watching sea otters and all this wildlife and birds. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| It's amazing. | ||
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| You don't want to own one of those houses, but they're nice to stay in. | ||
| Well, if you own it, you really don't own it for long. | ||
| No. | ||
| Not in this day and age. | ||
| No, especially if we get a... | ||
| You never know when we're going to get a big wave. | ||
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Yes! | |
| I'm always gun-shy about being on the water, you know, living on the water. | ||
| I think when I was a kid, we had to evacuate. | ||
| And so I'm always... | ||
| For giant surf. | ||
| Just huge, huge surf. | ||
| So we had to leave our house and our house, a bunch of houses got pushed across the road in 1969. Jesus Christ. | ||
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Yeah. | |
| So I've always been, I think I've had a thing in the back of my head like, besides highly expensive, but just living on the beach, it's like, no, I'll go to the beach, I'll be at the beach all day, but then I want to be away. | ||
| Like I want to go home and be away. | ||
| Right. | ||
| And not have sand in my bed and not have salt on my TV and, you know, not have like- Everything gets corroded. | ||
| Corroded. | ||
| Well, you have to build a boat. | ||
| If you build a house there, just pretend it's a boat and that you don't have to worry about sinking. | ||
| Maybe. | ||
| It might sink. | ||
| It might sink. | ||
| Slowly. | ||
| How far away do you live from the water? | ||
| I'm about a mile as a crow flies. | ||
| But I'm up a hill, so I overlook. | ||
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Ah. | |
| I overlook the ocean and I can see... | ||
| And then I don't have any neighbors. | ||
| I have only one neighbor on the front and back and then both sides, no neighbors. | ||
| So I've always liked being on hills and being back. | ||
| It just seems that's where I end up. | ||
| It's also views. | ||
| I think views are really good for your brain. | ||
| Good for your brain. | ||
| To be up and let everything fall below, good for the brain. | ||
| Soothing on the mind. | ||
| What is this physical training company that you're doing? | ||
| You're doing something... | ||
| XPT. Yeah, what is that? | ||
| XPT is, I would describe it as a kind of a, it's a lifestyle program that evolved out of what, how we live, like what we do. | ||
| And so we started an experiential thing where people can come for like two and a half days and go through this, you know, get exposed to speakers and they do heat and ice and we do pool training and breath work and mobility. | ||
| So you have conferences and stuff there? | ||
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Yeah. | |
| Exposed to speakers? | ||
| Like, what do you mean? | ||
| Well, I'll invite, you know, I would invite you to come and speak for an hour, or I'd invite Paul Cech, or we'd have somebody speak on longevity, or somebody speak on, you know, just... | ||
| During the experience, we'll have a couple speakers talk on nutrition, fitness, wellness, career, whatever, just as something, as another piece of the element. | ||
| And then, like I said, we have pool training. | ||
| And we've been certifying trainers now to kind of help people go through the process as well. | ||
| And so it's really about rest and recovery and breathing. | ||
| It's more based on that part. | ||
| It's not just another training thing of like, hey, how we can hammer you. | ||
| I mean, I think that's overplayed. | ||
| I think the ways we can train and how we're training is really overplayed. | ||
| I think we're not... | ||
| creating enough things that nurture the system, you know, and really look at trying to support people in their already, you know, hammering life. | ||
| They're already just beating themselves down. | ||
| It's like, let's get off the red eye and then we'll go to the gym and we'll hammer ourselves there and then we'll stay up all day. | ||
| And, you know, and I think they need some support. | ||
| So breath work is a big part of it. | ||
| Knowing how to move correctly, I think that's a big part of it because plenty of people hurt themselves, especially in the gym, without some knowledge of movement and form. | ||
| And then I have a pool training system I developed, which is... | ||
| Yeah, Gabby was telling me about that. | ||
| It sounds crazy. | ||
| Yeah, that's the most proprietary thing I think we have is it's a marriage between the gym and the pool because I despise swimming. | ||
| You do? | ||
| Yeah, I just can't. | ||
| That's hilarious! | ||
| No, I do. | ||
| If you said, go do laps in the pool, I'd be like Shamu, and I'd get the floppy fin. | ||
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Really? | |
| Oh, yeah. | ||
| That's crazy, but you're a fucking server. | ||
| No, but I'm saying, but if you said, hey, we're going to take these masks and these fins, and we're going to swim this coastline where the waves are breaking on the rocks, and we're going to go for five miles. | ||
| I'm in. | ||
| But if you said, hey, go down there and wear some swim goggles where you can't even see and swim in some murky water where you don't know what's in it and we're going to swim a mile down there and you're going to do that every day, I'd rather step on a rusty nail than do that. | ||
| Because of my disdain for swimming, that kind of swimming, if it's in the surf and the waves, that's a different game. | ||
| That's a whole different thing. | ||
| But you don't want to do laughter. | ||
| You'd kill me. | ||
| I'm going to die. | ||
| I'd rather hit my hand with a hammer. | ||
| That's so weird. | ||
| I would think that you would just enjoy moving in the water. | ||
| I do, with some dumbbells. | ||
| Oh, okay. | ||
| So carrying a dumbbell and jumping in dumbbells. | ||
| Why did you start at XPT? What was the motivation? | ||
| Because you're obviously into doing this stuff yourself, but why create a foundation? | ||
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| Well, the reason why we started it was because an opportunity to expose this stuff and share it with more people. | ||
| We were doing it ourselves naturally, and then we'd have friends come, and they were like, this stuff's awesome, and then can I invite my friend? | ||
| And then we realized that if we really wanted to expose it to more people and share it, it was going to be a limitation if everybody had to come to my house. | ||
| Do you have like a website and everything? | ||
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Yeah. | |
| What does XBT stand for? | ||
| XBTlife.com. | ||
| And XBT stands for, well, my concept is exploration in performance training. | ||
| Ah, there it is. | ||
| High performance fuels a limitless life. | ||
| Dumbbells in the pool. | ||
| There it is. | ||
| Oh, yeah. | ||
| So this is all your idea, the dumbbells in the pool? | ||
| I need to. | ||
| Yeah, you have to come. | ||
| Well, I'm just in the process. | ||
| That's my boy, Kyle. | ||
| Kyle Kingsbury. | ||
| Oh, yeah. | ||
| I love that guy. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| Well, I have some beautiful guys come. | ||
| I'll give you a great thing that you'd appreciate. | ||
| I have this whole... | ||
| Well, first of all, there's a bunch of things that happen in the water, right? | ||
| Which one of the things that happens is when you're underwater... | ||
| The compression of the water allows the blood to flow through your lymphatic system, which normally takes about a 24-hour period. | ||
| It happens in one hour. | ||
| So imagine compression tights. | ||
| Like, you know, if you wear compression, it really helps the blood flow? | ||
| Well, this is the ultimate compression. | ||
| The water is, right? | ||
| So then you deal with the psychology. | ||
| So it's good for fighters. | ||
| fighters because of the psychology of what we can do because you deal a lot with stress so we're able to implement stress in a very controlled environment um and then and then uh and then like for example uh and grant hill at one point in his career but i have a friend joe kim noah who's a basketball player and we were doing these uh we're doing these in the water | ||
| we're doing these dunking drills last summer so he i trained with him and did a bunch of stuff because you can do a lot of highly explosive heavy loaded movement with protection Because now you don't have to worry about momentum, which is what's going to pull your shoulder out, it's going to throw your hip, it's going to hurt your knee, where I can take a basketball player and I can run him through thousands of jumps, thousands, which at the end of, if I did that on land, he would be broken. | ||
| He's already jumping too much in his season. | ||
| He doesn't need to jump more, right? | ||
| So I could load him up and make him do these dynamic movements, but now he's protected because we've taken gravity out. | ||
| So it's like saying, hey, we get to go trade in outer space, but it's in my backyard. | ||
| Right. | ||
| Now, what kind of results have these athletes been experiencing? | ||
| Well, so Joakim in his career, and I don't know how many years he's been in the NBA, he came back after doing this dunking job, just using this as an example, and had the most dunks per minute that he's had in his entire career. | ||
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Whoa. | |
| He was like dunking on – he was slamming on everybody. | ||
| I mean it helps that he's seven feet tall, but the fact is that he noticed. | ||
| Now, Grant Hill was talking about he gained three inches in the last year of his career after playing in the NBA for 20 years. | ||
| and he's jumping three inches higher. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| Yeah, so I mean, we're getting... | ||
| That's the kind of tangible stuff that I'm getting, just that there's a lot more things. | ||
| A lot of it has to do with breath, because in the water, it's all controlled breathing patterns. | ||
| So everything is controlled, because you can't breathe in until you get to the top. | ||
| So if you're doing a drill where you're jumping, and most of the things we do are leg-driven. | ||
| Swimming is mostly arms. | ||
| Part of the reason why people only use their arms is because you use five times the oxygen with your legs as you do with your arms. | ||
| So the legs are very inefficient for swimming, but yet they create a lot of load on your heart, which that can boost your breath holding. | ||
| And so there's a bunch of other things that happen, but a lot of it is just that environment is very protective. | ||
| So for recovery too, for like when somebody's got a hurt knee, hurt hip, hurt ankle, you can go in there and start moving dynamically early before you would ever do it on land and be protected. | ||
| So there's a bunch of, you know, and then we can just ratchet it up. | ||
| I can make, you know, if I, I truly believe if you gave, if you said, you know, I'll get, Phelps is going to come to your house and you're going to have Phelps for three months. | ||
| I could make Phelps faster. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| Who is this here? | ||
| This is, this is this I'm, so I'm, he's doing a dunking drill and he's using a medicine ball, but he's having to jump out of three feet of water. | ||
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Right. | |
| So when he gets on land, when he gets on land, it's like, it's like a, he gets, it's like a whole other game. | ||
| Yeah, I would imagine. | ||
| A whole other game. | ||
| Now, did you invent this protocol, this whole thing of jumping and doing it in the water? | ||
| What motivated you? | ||
| Well, the original concept came out of a thing we used to do in the summer when we were kids. | ||
| It's a Hawaiian kind of waterman drill where you run on the bottom with stones. | ||
| I've seen that. | ||
| BJ Penn does that stuff. | ||
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| So you get a stone, you run along the bottom, then you put it down, then your friend swims along the surface, and then when you go up, he swims down, grabs it, and then he goes along as far as he can, and you swim, and you just go back and forth until neither one of you can do it. | ||
| So it was based kind of on that concept, but I wanted to expand that because that's kind of limiting. | ||
| You just swim and you run, and you can't... | ||
| Isolate movements and you're not working like you can with dumbbells. | ||
| So now I shift dumbbells into the water and I have all different weights. | ||
| So depending on your skill level, you know, everything we do. | ||
| And that's one thing about everything that I'm involved in is it usually has to be able to be... | ||
| For everybody to do it, it has to be old people and kids. | ||
| In my mind, it's not viable unless you can appeal to everybody. | ||
| A kid needs to be able to do it, an old person to really be valid, to really have legitimacy. | ||
| It's like, okay, the coffee. | ||
| There has to be things that the kids can have that creamer. | ||
| Old people can have it. | ||
| It can't just be specialized. | ||
| I think the specialization of some of this stuff is creates the lack of validity. | ||
| I don't think that it's valid if it's specialized. | ||
| And so I could take a little kid like my daughter does a bunch of the pool training stuff, right? | ||
| I have an older, older guys that come and do a bunch of the pool training stuff. | ||
| You know, I got Pat Riley comes in there and he trains in the summertime with us and stuff. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| So we get a really broad spectrum of people and that, and that confirms to me that it's really legitimate, right? | ||
| Because then it's like, no, this is real. | ||
| The kids can do it. | ||
| The old people can do it. | ||
| The top guys can do it. | ||
| The bottom guys can do it. | ||
| Everybody can do it. | ||
| That's something that's... | ||
| I just think that that's what is real. | ||
| So how many years have you been doing this? | ||
| XPT, well, I mean the pool training I've been, I've developed over the last probably 10 to 12 years, about 12 years now in the pool. | ||
| And you've evolved it? | ||
| So you started off with a couple ideas? | ||
| Well, I had like a Velcro weight jacket where you Velcro like a weight, yeah, jump in the deep end. | ||
| It was a little scary. | ||
| Can't get the jacket off and how can you get up? | ||
| So that wasn't Too sketchy. | ||
| That wasn't viable. | ||
| So then we moved to dumbbells where you can drop them. | ||
| But there's probably 20 exercises that we have. | ||
| How much weight are you using? | ||
| It depends. | ||
| Sometimes we're doing... | ||
| We have a move called the gorilla where we're using 60 to 70 pound dumbbells where you're doing a curl press jump and you're jumping on the slope. | ||
| So you're curl pressing and jumping with 60, 70 pound dumbbells depending on your size. | ||
| We're swimming with 50 pound, 60 pound dumbbells. | ||
| We're jumping off the bottom with 15 pound dumbbells. | ||
| It depends on the exercise. | ||
| So it all depends on the person's skill, what the drill is. | ||
| But I have all the weights next to the pool, so we have everything from 70s to 5-pound dumbbells. | ||
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Wow. | |
| I love that idea of the jump press, like doing some sort of a... | ||
| Oh yeah, you'd love it. | ||
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It's crazy. | |
| I call it the gorilla curl. | ||
| So it's a squat, curl, press, jump. | ||
| And then when you come out of the water, you just let the weights drop. | ||
| And then the water catches them. | ||
| You could never do that on land. | ||
| Rip your shoulder out. | ||
| Right, right. | ||
| How deep do you do this in the water? | ||
| Well, you vary on your height. | ||
| So I have about an 11-foot deep end, and then I have a slope so you can choose every depth all the way, and then I have what you saw in that last video. | ||
| It's about a 3.5-foot shallow end. | ||
| So this is the first pool. | ||
| I'm trying to build a couple. | ||
| I'm trying to build one in Hawaii right now that's... | ||
| That's going to evolve from what I learned from this pool. | ||
| So this pool, I just kind of built it with the hopes of designing a program. | ||
| And then out of it came all this stuff. | ||
| What are you going to alter? | ||
| I'm going to create multiple depths. | ||
| So I'm going to do like an area that has 12 foot. | ||
| Then we're going to shift back two feet and have a 10 foot. | ||
| And then another flat area of 8 foot. | ||
| And then another flat area of 6 foot. | ||
| And then I have the magic width is about somewhere between 35 to 40 feet wide. | ||
| And that's like, if you're trying to swim a heavy dumbbell, you know, we do a lot of individual limb stuff so that you isolate each limb. | ||
| So we'll do pistol squats and Russian lunge squats and a bunch of other, you know, and, and movements that you can, you'd be very vulnerable if you did that in the gym, you could, Chances are you could hurt yourself. | ||
| But because you have that stability in that environment, it totally supports you. | ||
| So you can be, and go into ranges of motion that you don't have. | ||
| Like, you know, you might not be able to go sink all the way down into a deep lunge on one leg and press out with dumbbells in your hand on land. | ||
| But in the water, you can. | ||
| And the water actually makes it lighter. | ||
| So you have to boost the weight and stuff. | ||
| So there's a bunch of great stuff that comes out of it. | ||
| That sounds very attractive to people that have had injuries. | ||
| Beautiful. | ||
| And what, but the irony is, is it, it kind of, it's a little bit like what comes out of rehab where you actually get better performance too. | ||
| Like, you're like, you know, a lot of, a lot of rehab exercises become performance driving exercises. | ||
| You know, it's like, Hey, don't do that shit only when you get hurt, start doing that and get strong that way. | ||
| So then you maybe you won't get hurt. | ||
| Yes. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| You know, so it comes that way too. | ||
| It goes both directions. | ||
| And do you have workouts that people can follow online if someone goes to the XPT Life website? | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| Actually, the thing that we have right now that's probably the most kind of prevalent one, the thing that's happening the soonest, is we have a breathing app coming out. | ||
| So we have a breathing app that has almost every different modality of breath work. | ||
| And so there's some pretty cool stuff in there where you can go choose, hey, before I go to sleep or before my workout, after my workout, during my thing. | ||
| So we have a pretty cool breathing app that we're working on as well. | ||
| You ever talk to Wim Hof? | ||
| I know Wim. | ||
| Do you know Wim? | ||
| Absolutely. | ||
| Wim doesn't give a fuck if you breathe out of your nose or your mouth. | ||
| He's like, just breathe, man! | ||
| I know, I know. | ||
| Just breathe, motherfucker! | ||
| He's so crazy. | ||
| I love that guy. | ||
| He's comedy. | ||
| No, I've had a few... | ||
| Wim and I have had a few experiences, let's just put it that way. | ||
| But we've had him at a couple of experiences, and I've done some stuff with Wim. | ||
| I've known Wim for... | ||
| I don't know, like four or five years. | ||
| Now, maybe a little longer. | ||
| Usually when he was in town, I think the last time, maybe when you saw him, he comes to visit. | ||
| So I get him. | ||
| Usually when I go with Wim, I usually translate for him. | ||
| When he goes to one of his classes, I'm usually like trying to... | ||
| Oh, right. | ||
| In case people don't understand. | ||
| No, I know. | ||
| But I'm just saying, sometimes I'll be with somebody and they'll be like, what did he say? | ||
| I'll be like, what he means is take a deep breath. | ||
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| He's such a character, man. | ||
| He is a character. | ||
| The guy went to fucking the top of Everest barefoot. | ||
| Oh, yeah. | ||
| Like, what? | ||
| Oh, yeah. | ||
| I almost lost his toes, too. | ||
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Yeah. | |
| Like, what? | ||
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Yeah, yeah. | |
| No, he goes. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| Well, his art, actually, is tumo. | ||
| Is a derivative of tumo. | ||
| And I'm not sure if you know what tumo is. | ||
| But tumo is a Himalayan breathing technique that the monks have. | ||
| They have this one thing where they dry sheets. | ||
| So they have this thing, a ceremony, where they go at night in the Himalayas when it's frozen, it's snow. | ||
| And the guy sits there and they put wet sheets, wet blankets on them. | ||
| And they breathe and get their bodies so hot that they dry the blankets. | ||
| And then the guy that can dry the most blankets at the end of the night is like the guy. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| Yeah, and it's called tummo. | ||
| And you can go online and look it up. | ||
| But tummo is a Himalayan breathing technique that was never exposed to Westerners until just as of recently. | ||
| But Wim's work is a derivative of tummo. | ||
| But nose breathing, it's all about nose breathing. | ||
| It's all about nose breathing. | ||
| And when you understand the science of it. | ||
| But he's right about getting people to just breathe because people are not breathing. | ||
| Mm-hmm. | ||
| We just had, in fact, we had another, Belisa, what's her, I want to say, it's a Russian name, but she has a great book. | ||
| She trains fire and police and military breathing. | ||
| We just had her, we did an XPT in Miami. | ||
| About a week, two weeks ago. | ||
| And she came as a guest speaker and was working on really trying to create more volume. | ||
| And then a lot of people's rib cages aren't moving. | ||
| And so they have a whole, you know, there's ways to try to increase your movement of your rib cage. | ||
| Your rib cage should actually open. | ||
| Like you can take a tape and measure your rib cage when you're fully exhaled. | ||
| And then when you inhale, it should expand like, you know, three inches or more. | ||
| For you to be really optimally breathing. | ||
| And a lot of people, I mean, part of it has to do with the whole six-pack abs and what's aesthetically pleasing. | ||
| But meanwhile, when you have a real nice set of six-pack abs, you're not able to diaphragmatically breathe. | ||
| You're not able to use your diaphragm. | ||
| You're not using your diaphragm when you have that. | ||
| Yeah, because the tightness isn't allowing the diaphragm to push down the diaphragm and the pelvic floor actually squeeze your organs together. | ||
| That is actually massaging the organs, which influences your digestion and everything. | ||
| And it deals with a bunch of acid reflex and a bunch of other things. | ||
| But when the abs are so tight that the stomach can't expand, the organs can't push this belly out, then you have a limitation in your brain. | ||
| And then the ribs aren't moving. | ||
| I mean, it's just... | ||
| But guys are going to hear this and go, good, I'm going to stay fat. | ||
| I don't need a six-pack. | ||
| Well, but... | ||
| No, but actually, if you're really using your lungs, you'll strengthen your core in a way that you'll get core. | ||
| You can have six-pack abs and not have core stability. | ||
| And you know this, when you look at a lot of, not every single great fighter is just ripped. | ||
| No. | ||
| Some of the best ones ever, not ripped at all, like Fedor. | ||
| Exactly. | ||
| So, let's talk about that for an example of, you know, that aesthetic isn't always function, right? | ||
| And, of course, you know, the mind is always ahead of everything. | ||
| I don't care what the car looks like. | ||
| It's got no motor. | ||
| It doesn't do anything. | ||
| So the body only goes where the brain tells it. | ||
| But the fact is that you see some of the best athletes. | ||
| When you look at certain athletes, they're not the physical specimens that you've ever seen. | ||
| You're like, that guy's the most ripped and shredded. | ||
| A lot of times, those guys get knocked out. | ||
| You see the guy come in and he just Oh, this guy's going to kill this guy. | ||
| And then he just gets annihilated by the guy that looks maybe not quite as hard, right? | ||
| Part of his genetics. | ||
| Max Holloway is a perfect example, a Hawaiian guy. | ||
| He's not shredded. | ||
| I mean, he's strong, obviously, but he looks more like a swimmer. | ||
| Yeah, well, and you might find that his breathing, he might have better air volume. | ||
| Because at the end of the day, a lot of it's about oxygen. | ||
| Cardio, yeah. | ||
| And Max's cardio is off the charts. | ||
| Exactly. | ||
| So he's getting more movement out of there. | ||
| I mean, you know, again, we've created these, you know, aesthetic things in our culture. | ||
| Like, oh, six-pack abs is a sign of this and da-da-da. | ||
| But when you look at... | ||
| Real breath work and how the diaphragm works and how the ribs expand, you realize it's like none of us are really doing it right. | ||
| And you can actually create more volume. | ||
| You said you like cordyceps mushrooms? | ||
| Yes. | ||
| Well, those are actually a vasodilator. | ||
| Those help you absorb oxygen. | ||
| Those can up your VO2 max, right? | ||
| There's only a couple things that you can, how to increase your VO2 max, but cordyceps is one of them. | ||
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Beets. | |
| Beets is another one. | ||
| You can create more volume by expanding your lungs. | ||
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Right. | |
| So by opening the rib cage and creating more room, that can promote your VO2 max. | ||
| Now when people are hearing this and they're hearing breath work, folks who have never done anything like that, they really don't understand what you're saying. | ||
| What do you mean by breath work? | ||
| Give us an example of a protocol. | ||
| Well, I mean, a real simple, I mean, they do it in pranayama. | ||
| They have it in apnea. | ||
| There's a thing called holotropic. | ||
| But breath work really is when you isolate the breathing system. | ||
| And, you know, the simplest way, and that's why Wim says, hey, I don't give a shit how you breathe. | ||
| Just breathe, motherfucker. | ||
| That's right. | ||
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Breathe. | |
| Yeah, yeah. | ||
| So, you know, like, we'll do a breath routine, and we'll sit somebody down, and we'll say, okay, breathe like you're running. | ||
| Breathe like you're running. | ||
| And we'll tell the guy, breathe like he's running. | ||
| And they'll go... | ||
| I go, that's a slow run, buddy. | ||
| Like, breathe like you're running. | ||
| You know, like, any time, any movement in any air in and out is a form of breath work, right? | ||
| And especially when you isolate the system and you're not doing it because of an activity. | ||
| The fact is that when you use that system and you work it and you're not... | ||
| Detracting from it by doing an exercise. | ||
| If you're doing the assault bike where your arms are working and your legs are working, so all the oxygen that you're absorbing is going into your arms and legs. | ||
| When you're isolated and you just do the breathing alone, now the oxygen is going into that system and that system is going to develop and get better. | ||
| Then when you do your assault bike after you develop that system. | ||
| So we'll isolate breath work and we'll just do it alone. | ||
| Whether we're doing, you know, whether we're doing breath holds, we're doing some kind of apnea breath work, which is, you know, we can do a pattern where you're doing like you hold for 30 seconds, and then you breathe in for 15, and then you breathe out for 15, then you hold again. | ||
| Then you go in and out and hold, in and out and hold. | ||
| That's one pattern. | ||
| Another pattern is in, hold, out, hold. | ||
| In-hold, out-hold. | ||
| In-hold, out-hold. | ||
| Like, you know, again, those are, there's, you know, and then there's pranayama, apnea, holotropic. | ||
| There's just some where you're oxygenating the system where, you know, like whims would be... | ||
| Where you just get that rhythm going and do that for five minutes. | ||
| And people go, wow, I feel lighted. | ||
| And I go, yeah, because you haven't had oxygen like that in your head. | ||
| You haven't had oxygen in your system like that, right? | ||
| So, again, bringing consciousness to your breath. | ||
| We're not just walking along in life like not thinking about breathing. | ||
| That's the beginning of breath work. | ||
| Just awareness of, hey, I need to... | ||
| You know, I just need to breathe in and out. | ||
| Just to stay conscious. | ||
| Yeah, and that's a big one with martial arts. | ||
| You see in jiu-jitsu with beginners, when they first start sparring for the first time, they panic and they have shallow breath. | ||
| And you've got to tell them, okay, stop right now, just breathe. | ||
| Just breathe. | ||
| Oh, yeah. | ||
| Well, fight or flight. | ||
| Fight or flight. | ||
| But it's interesting how they can't get a deep breath. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| They hyperventilate. | ||
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| Well, you put somebody in the ice for the first time that hasn't done it. | ||
| Oh, yeah. | ||
| That's the craziest. | ||
| You want to see it? | ||
| That's an instantaneous. | ||
| Oh, yeah. | ||
| Yeah, you can't breathe. | ||
| Oh, yeah. | ||
| But you eventually learn. | ||
| Well, the system turned. | ||
| That's actually an involuntary response to get out. | ||
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| Right. | ||
| You have the option, so you should exercise that option. | ||
| Well, that's an involuntary response. | ||
| That's your subconscious mind protecting the organism. | ||
| Like, hey, your body intuitively knows this is dangerous environment. | ||
| Get out. | ||
| And so that reaction is to get you to get out. | ||
| When you make a conscious effort to not leave that environment, then the body goes, oh, okay, you're not going to get out. | ||
| Okay, well, now I'll organize. | ||
| I'll bring the blood to the organs. | ||
| I'll adjust everything. | ||
| I'll boost your hormones. | ||
| And so... | ||
| And then pretty soon you don't get that response anymore. | ||
| Once you do it on a regular basis, the body just goes, oh, here we are again, back to that ice thing. | ||
| Boost the hormones, bring all the blood in the organs. | ||
| But that's a similar thing to what you're talking about in jiu-jitsu, where people are the stress on the system. | ||
| They're stressed, and so they're involuntarily... | ||
| And that's fight or flight. | ||
| One thing you can really do to calm a kid down is the way you get yourself into parasympathetic, where you bring your thing down... | ||
| Is when you extend your breath for seven seconds on the inhale and the exhale. | ||
| That'll bring everything down. | ||
| Like if you want to calm down or your little kids just all and you get them to just breathe in for seven seconds. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| And I tell people, think about a sigh. | ||
| My youngest daughter, when she would get upset, she would do that. | ||
| And I'd be like, you gotta breathe. | ||
| You gotta breathe. | ||
| Calm down. | ||
| But seven seconds is a magic number. | ||
| If you can extend the breath for seven seconds, then the body goes into parasympathetic. | ||
| That's what you do to go to sleep at night, like if you're having a hard time. | ||
| There's a bunch of stuff to learn about the breath, which is amazing. | ||
| I think the reason why the breath has always been so important to me is just because of the ocean. | ||
| Because, you know, growing up when you almost drowned, you know, a thousand times, air is important. | ||
| You just get to appreciate like there's none down there and it's all up there. | ||
| And so be cool down there. | ||
| So when you see you can get back up. | ||
| Well, I learned breath work because of Hicks and Gracie. | ||
| I'm watching Hicks and Gracie practice yoga. | ||
| He's a friend. | ||
| Oh, you know Hicks? | ||
| You know he does that? | ||
| What is that called? | ||
| That stomach thing? | ||
| What is that stomach thing called? | ||
| Well, that's the pranayama. | ||
| Yes, but there's a name for it. | ||
| Yeah, where you twist the... | ||
| Yeah, he really sucks his organs up in. | ||
| His son can do it amazingly. | ||
| Crone can do it amazingly. | ||
| Yeah, it's super good for you. | ||
| Good for the organs. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| And the ability to control your breath like that is so critical when you're sparring. | ||
| So critical to get oxygen in these long training sessions. | ||
| Well, for your life. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| For your life. | ||
| Anytime you're in the stress, if you can control your breath, that controls your heart rate. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| Do you ever do 30 seconds in, 30 seconds out? | ||
| Do you ever do that? | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| Just slow, deep breaths in, slow, deep breaths out. | ||
| That's an amazing exercise. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| Well, that's the extension of that parasympathetic. | ||
| Seven is just the minimum amount. | ||
| But whenever you go into any of those long extended stuff, and then those breath holds, anytime you hold the breath, then you get that CO2 level. | ||
| And that's what gives you the angst to, you know. | ||
| What's interesting because, you know, Wim's done like some record-breaking stuff and you have that free diving stuff where they scrub oxygen, you know, where they hyperventilate and scrub the CO2 and get that real low, but you have to be careful about shallow water blackout. | ||
| So we don't really practice any of that stuff. | ||
| We do more like a salt bike, jump in the pool and see how long you can hold your breath. | ||
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Yeah. | |
| And then, you know, five, ten seconds is like, that's big time. | ||
| Fifteen seconds, you're like, wow, that was amazing. | ||
| At maximum heart rate, how long can you hold your heart? | ||
| I mean, how long can you hold your breath? | ||
| That's a challenge. | ||
| So you're keeping a soft bike right next to the pool? | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| Yeah, just for punishment. | ||
| So you get one and roll, you roll it into the sauna? | ||
| Oh, yeah. | ||
| Yeah, yeah, yeah. | ||
| Oh, yeah. | ||
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Wow. | |
| Yeah. | ||
| Wow. | ||
| God, man. | ||
| There's always another, you know, twist to the pretzel. | ||
| Because of your hip, do you have any limitations on other kind of stuff that you can do? | ||
| I would imagine running would be a real problem. | ||
| I like deep texture running, so soft sand because of the foot and the articulation of the feet and not wearing shoes. | ||
| Um, so I'll do beach, I'll do sand running and like if I'm in the snow, like Alaska or something like that, but I love barefoot and deep stuff. | ||
| I don't like running on hard ground. | ||
| I just, first of all, as soon as you're, you know, if you're two 15 or two, you know, whatever anything over 200 pounds, I mean, you shouldn't be running more than a couple of miles a week if you're over a buck 20. | ||
| I mean, it's just, it's a, Oh yeah. | ||
| It's so hard on your system on the hard ground. | ||
| Absolutely. | ||
| That stuff is just pounding you. | ||
| I mean, it's one thing to go in a soft, something that has absorption. | ||
| You know, like if you're running in the sand or you're running in the snow or you're running in some deep, thick grass or something that's got absorption. | ||
| But yeah, you go run, you're 180, 200 pounds and you're running, you just pound everything. | ||
| It's just seven times your body weight on the download. | ||
| And then you're wearing a shoe and That's, you know, that's kind of deceiving you. | ||
| It's a little bit like a sunglass. | ||
| You know, you think it's blocking the light, but it's letting the bad light in. | ||
| You know, you think it's blocking the absorption, but you're just getting pounded. | ||
| I mean, you're, and your feet are, you know, I mean, barefoot is so important. | ||
| Grounding is so important. | ||
| I mean, these are, these are things, but I have a new, I have a cool bike that I just, somebody just gave me recently called a stand-up bike, which the company called Elliptigo, but It's a standing bike. | ||
| It's positioned for standing alone. | ||
| The posture is unbelievable. | ||
| You want to grind on a hill. | ||
| You don't need running. | ||
| Then you have zero impact. | ||
| I think running is hard. | ||
| I understand the high of running. | ||
| For me, real running is barefoot in some soft sand. | ||
| I have this one beach in Hawaii that I run on that's a little bit like quicksand. | ||
| You'll sink in like mid You know, lower, lower, lower calf. | ||
| Like, you know, you'll sink in a foot into it. | ||
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Oh, wow. | |
| And you don't need to go far. | ||
| Like, you don't need to go. | ||
| And you know what a taro patch is? | ||
| No. | ||
| So, I grew up farming, like, around on a pig farm and then with taro patches and fishing. | ||
| And so, I kind of grew up in a, but there's a taro, a taro patch is a rice paddy, pretty much mud. | ||
| Right? | ||
| And so we grew up working in that stuff and walking and carrying buckets and being in that mud. | ||
| The sloshing. | ||
| The mud. | ||
| Like a foot-deep mud. | ||
| But I'm saying an environment like that where you have to pull your foot out and then sink in where it's absorbing the impact. | ||
| I mean, that's where work... | ||
| I always question the damage versus the work, right? | ||
| Like the pounding that you – and most – I mean, once you're a certain size, the pounding that you get, I think you can get all the cardio you want. | ||
| Do jump rope. | ||
| Jump rope's great. | ||
| You're landing on your toe. | ||
| You're doing the thing about when you're running, inevitably people go to heel striking. | ||
| They're landing on their heels because they have a shoe that they – so they think they're getting – You know, they think they're getting protected because they're landing on something kind of soft, but it's still sending the, you know, that impact up your spine. | ||
| And inevitably, anything you do and you come back and your back hurts, I have to question, like, is that optimum? | ||
| You know, and that wasn't deadlift either. | ||
| It was, you know... | ||
| Right, right. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| But what about your friend, the Muay Thai fighter? | ||
| But he runs like very super short, short step, balls of his feet. | ||
| And I would call it more like, I don't even know how to describe the pace, but it's a slow pace that you're landing on the toes the whole time. | ||
| So it's not like a run, you know, a hard run where you're pounding. | ||
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Right. | |
| So he's probably doing like 10 minute miles or something like that? | ||
| I don't know. | ||
| I don't even know what his range is. | ||
| You'd have to ask Mr. Tom Jones. | ||
| Well, I think running off your toe is great. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| But the problem is the shoes, the running shoes. | ||
| Who does it? | ||
| Right. | ||
| Who does it? | ||
| I do. | ||
| I run with minimalist shoes. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| And I only run hills. | ||
| But here's a standing bike. | ||
| That is ridiculous. | ||
| I wouldn't be caught dead in that thing. | ||
| Well, that's the elliptical. | ||
| They have a new one that's just a pedal. | ||
| I'm just kidding. | ||
| I think it looks awesome. | ||
| No, but you know why the guy made that? | ||
| It's silly. | ||
| Because the guy was a runner and couldn't run anymore, got injured. | ||
| And then he started to bike, and he said, biking's not running. | ||
| And so then he developed that thing because it simulates running without the impact. | ||
| Like I said, that's why I like the pool. | ||
| And I think, too, it's like if you think about doing things forever. | ||
| We're talking about doing things forever, right? | ||
| Yes. | ||
| So we're talking about doing things forever. | ||
| So how are we going to do them so we can do them forever? | ||
| No impact. | ||
| Well, so reducing impact. | ||
| And if you actually started doing that initially, then you might not have to worry about trying to recover from all that stuff that you... | ||
| So it's like we don't want to train in a way that we're going to have to change our training to try to... | ||
| Make up because all the damage we've done. | ||
| Let's try to avoid the damage from the beginning. | ||
| It's already too late for me. | ||
| I got seven, you know, I got six broken ankles. | ||
| Jesus Christ, look at your ankle. | ||
| Do that again. | ||
| What the hell did you just do? | ||
| Your ankle has a golf ball growing out of it. | ||
| Well, it's been broke six or seven times. | ||
| Broke the arch. | ||
| Broke all the meditators. | ||
| Just from surfing? | ||
| All different. | ||
| Motorbike, surfing, snowboarding. | ||
| How did you mess up your hip? | ||
| Probably because of walking on a broken ankle for all those years. | ||
| Because each time I broke it, I had five or six different breaks. | ||
| And then I would keep going. | ||
| So I would keep walking on it. | ||
| But that means I had to carry the load on my right hip. | ||
| So I think I just wore the cartilage out from offsetting and carrying the load of the broken leg. | ||
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Jesus. | |
| So that was... | ||
| But so, I mean, it's... | ||
| So it wasn't like one injury where you hurt your hip. | ||
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It was just slow. | |
| No, I just wore it out. | ||
| I said I lived a couple lives with that one. | ||
| That was only a one life hip and I had three lives in it. | ||
| What is it like having a fake hip? | ||
| Insane. | ||
| Incredible. | ||
| Bionic. | ||
| The thing's not even in my brain. | ||
| Not even... | ||
| How so? | ||
| I don't ever even bring it into consciousness. | ||
| And it's slicker. | ||
| It's like a Mercedes-Benz ball joint. | ||
| I mean, it's... | ||
| Absolutely perfect. | ||
| Wow. | ||
| And, you know, I mean, I've had ACL. I had some knee stuff before. | ||
| That was harder to recover from than the hip. | ||
| The hip was... | ||
| I just felt like I got kicked by a horse for a couple months. | ||
| And then after that, it was like no-brainer. | ||
| Jump off a cliff. | ||
| Go stand up, paddle, run. | ||
| I mean... | ||
| Do they tell you to not do certain things? | ||
| No. | ||
| Really? | ||
| No. | ||
| Like you could just start taking jiu-jitsu? | ||
| Don't do anything you should do with your real one. | ||
| Really? | ||
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That's it? | |
| Don't do anything you shouldn't do with your real one. | ||
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Yeah. | |
| Right. | ||
| Absolutely. | ||
| That was the only thing. | ||
| I mean, the guy, Dr. Penenberg, who did mine, he did it to a contortionist. | ||
| I guess some contortionist had some blown hips, and he did it to, and the girl's still performing and stuff. | ||
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Whoa! | |
| I think it's... | ||
| I mean, this stuff is... | ||
| The technology is amazing. | ||
| And the thing that I would consider if I ever had to do it again is that the atrophy from the initial problem is harder to recover from than you just going and getting a new one. | ||
| And I think when people push it, you know, they used to try to push that stuff because they wanted to wait for the technology got better and they only last 15 years and all that stuff. | ||
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But... | |
| But the atrophy that you try to recover from is harder to recover from than if you would have gone and gotten it done as soon as you needed to have it done. | ||
| So the one you have now, you have to get it swapped out every 15 years? | ||
| No. | ||
| No, no, no. | ||
| Back in the early days? | ||
| Well, they don't know how long this new stuff lasts. | ||
| They had some material that wore out after... | ||
| Because there's a... | ||
| Some kind of polyurethane, some kind of... | ||
| Slick outer layer? | ||
| Well, like a cartilage, like a man-made cartilage between the ball joint and the socket. | ||
| And so that stuff wore out in the past. | ||
| And they have this new stuff that has been in for 10 years and a lot of people are already, and they've seen zero wear on it. | ||
| So, you know, it could be 30, could be, you know, could be 10. I mean, I was actually... | ||
| I stayed conscious and I was able to stay awake for my hip surgery. | ||
| Why did you do that? | ||
| Because I didn't want to have to recover from the... | ||
| Anesthesia? | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| Really? | ||
| Yeah, it takes people a month to get the anesthesia out of their system. | ||
| Really? | ||
| Oh, yeah. | ||
| To try to get the anesthesia... | ||
| I mean, anesthesia is controlled death. | ||
| They just put you right to the edge of dying and keep you alive. | ||
| I mean, anesthesia is some hard stuff on your system. | ||
| To get that stuff out of your organs, you got to do like a full detox cleanse. | ||
| It's not just like, oh, yeah, anesthesia... | ||
| I've never heard that before. | ||
| I didn't know that. | ||
| I thought you'd feel like shit for a day or two, but I didn't know it takes a month. | ||
| That shit's in your organs and stuff. | ||
| There's no way that stuff just goes out. | ||
| They can't dose you out and knock you out like that without that stuff lingering. | ||
| I mean, you know, how long does it take when you've got a hangover? | ||
| So did they do like an epidural block on you? | ||
| Epidural block, yeah. | ||
| And they had it so good that they could just isolate the left... | ||
| The left hip. | ||
| They did that to me when I had my first ACL surgery. | ||
| I wanted to see it. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| Because I was like, I want to watch. | ||
| I felt like I'm only going to do this once in my life. | ||
| I want to see this. | ||
| Turns out I had three of them. | ||
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Yeah. | |
| Three knee surgeries. | ||
| But I wanted to see it. | ||
| I wanted to be there. | ||
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Observe. | |
| It was pretty freaky. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| It was ACL? Yeah. | ||
| I had ACL too. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| I had ACL the right leg. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| I had a cadaver. | ||
| I had a cadaver on my right leg and the left leg I had a patellar tendon ground. | ||
| Oh, yeah. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| So now your hip doesn't even... | ||
| You don't feel it. | ||
| You don't feel anything. | ||
| Not even in the wheel. | ||
| Not even a thought. | ||
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Wow. | |
| Not even like amazing. | ||
| And it was debilitating. | ||
| I could barely walk. | ||
| I mean, I could still surf, but I'd get to land and I was hobbling around like... | ||
| My friend Maynard from Tool, you know the band Tool? | ||
| Maynard is a jiu-jitsu enthusiast and he had to get his hip done and he fucked his hip up from stomping on stage because he's always stomping with one leg. | ||
| He blew his hip out. | ||
| Well, I think mine's attributed a lot to my back leg in surfing. | ||
| So I'm on that back leg and that back leg is always loaded. | ||
| Loaded. | ||
| But I know the breaks in the left ankle and left foot and how many I had and that I was always on it. | ||
| I know that attributed it a lot because this right leg carried the load for that thing. | ||
| Did you get your left leg fixed? | ||
| My ankle? | ||
| The ankle, yeah. | ||
| Nah, I just let it calcify. | ||
| So every time it broke? | ||
| Listen, I went to my knee, to get my knee worked on, and the guy goes, he saw my ankle, and he goes, and then he saw how much mobility I had, and he called in some foot specialists, and they had to take x-ray. | ||
| They just wanted to see, because I have no metal in there. | ||
| There's no screws, there's no nothing. | ||
| I just let it, you know, it just bone grew. | ||
| So every time it snapped, you just let it sort of heal itself up? | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| So it snapped, and you just walk around on it? | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| Pretty much. | ||
| Cut the cast off. | ||
| The first time when I was 16, I cut the cast off and I went out and re-broke it the first time. | ||
| And then I had broke it other ways. | ||
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It got a little smarter after I re-broke it. | |
| That's so crazy. | ||
| And then the arch. | ||
| I broke the arch because the ankle was so bonded that when I broke it, I actually broke my arch. | ||
| That was probably the most painful breakdown in that area. | ||
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Yeah. | |
| Well, when I talked to Kelly Slater, he broke his foot like that, too. | ||
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Yeah. | |
| Well, his was just recently. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
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Yeah. | |
| And his was fucked up for a long time. | ||
| He said, that's a painful thing to snap your toes like the middle of your foot. | ||
| The metatarsals are crazy. | ||
| Well, you have 75% of the bones in your body are below your ankles. | ||
| Really? | ||
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75%. | |
| In terms of numbers. | ||
| Yeah, numbers of bones. | ||
| But your feet have like half the bones of your entire body. | ||
| God, I never thought of that. | ||
| That's crazy. | ||
| But there's a lot of shit down there. | ||
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A lot. | |
| A lot going on. | ||
| A lot. | ||
| Little ones and little nubs and weird little ankle. | ||
| See, that's why kickboxing is so stupid. | ||
| You're throwing those things at people and slamming them into elbows and knees and stuff. | ||
| I've fucked my feet up a bunch of times. | ||
| Oh, guaranteed. | ||
| Yeah, I've broken my feet. | ||
| Nothing like kicking something and breaking your feet. | ||
| Yeah, elbows. | ||
| It's a little embarrassing if it's a wall, though. | ||
| Oh, yeah. | ||
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Yeah, for sure. | |
| Is that what you kicked? | ||
| No, I'm just saying. | ||
| No, mine was, like I said, I broke. | ||
| Mine broke mostly sports-related. | ||
| Motorbike, windsurfing. | ||
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Ugh. | |
| You know, towing. | ||
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Yeah. | |
| Well, I guess with as many injuries as you've had, though, you do understand what's good and what's bad for you. | ||
| For sure. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| You hope. | ||
| But you know what's interesting? | ||
| It's a little bit like in karate where when you know how to heal, you know how to wound. | ||
| Interesting. | ||
| You know, that the more you understand, it's like, I think my injuries, first of all, it's a form of failure. | ||
| I think that is taught. | ||
| I've learned a few things from them. | ||
| And you learn also how to recover and how to heal. | ||
| And so I think that feeds into how to train and perform. | ||
| I think that's all interrelated because you start to have a more intimate relationship with your body and know how it responds. | ||
| So I think there's something, I mean, you don't learn a lot from winning. | ||
| You know, and succeeding. | ||
| That doesn't teach you anything compared to losing. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| You know, losing teaches you, and in a way, injuries are forms of loss. | ||
| Sure. | ||
| They're, you know. | ||
| Unsuccessful endeavors. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| When you lose your, and then you lose your ability to do stuff, and then you wonder why you're doing it, and if you're going to be able to do it again. | ||
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Yeah. | |
| All that stuff. | ||
| Do you float at all? | ||
| No, but I saw your float tank. | ||
| You've never done it? | ||
| I haven't. | ||
| Oh, man. | ||
| I thought that would be right up your alley. | ||
| I know. | ||
| I've been invited. | ||
| My friend has one in Malibu. | ||
| I just haven't ever gone there. | ||
| You can use this one anytime you want. | ||
| Yeah, I should try to come over and float in that thing. | ||
| Come on down, man. | ||
| Anytime you want, it's here. | ||
| I can tell there's salt in there by the way everything's crusting up in the back. | ||
| Guaranteed, yeah. | ||
| It's 1,000 pounds of Epsom salt in that tank. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| Yeah, if you're anytime... | ||
| Well, I have an ocean, so I float there. | ||
| That helps, but there's a lot of noise in the ocean. | ||
| No, it's true. | ||
| It's just for meditation. | ||
| But that's what you love about the pool, because you're floating already, as soon as you go under. | ||
| I actually have speakers underwater. | ||
| In your pool, really? | ||
| Oh, you play music? | ||
| Oh, wow. | ||
| So you can get lost over there. | ||
| It's pretty cool. | ||
| So, what other things do you do besides the curl, press, jump thing? | ||
| Like, what other types of exercises are you doing in the pool? | ||
| We're doing, you know, like single dumbbell. | ||
| Oh, like cleans? | ||
| Single arm dumbbell and then stroke, get a breath, free fall. | ||
| So, you're doing single arm jumping. | ||
| Oh, okay. | ||
| And then we're doing swapping hands. | ||
| Single arm swimming. | ||
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| Single arm swimming, carrying dumbbell. | ||
| I call that an ammo box. | ||
| How much weight are you doing that with? | ||
| We can do like 50, 60 pounds. | ||
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| It's called an ammo box. | ||
| It'd be like if you had an ammo box and you had to swim across the river. | ||
| Like that's kind of the concept. | ||
| We have cell phone. | ||
| We have the Yuki. | ||
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Cell phone? | |
| Do you keep your hand out of the water? | ||
| Yeah. | ||
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Yeah. | |
| And hold and swim with your hand out. | ||
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Oh, wow. | |
| And then a bunch of, like I said, single leg stuff. | ||
| So a lot of like Russian pistol squat, jump lunges. | ||
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What else? | |
| A bunch of, oh, fast breaks where we're doing this one where we drop down, you run along the bottom with two dumbbells to the other side, you set one dumbbell up, you jump up, you bring one dumbbell out, you go back down, grab the other one, bring that one out and then pull both of them out and drop back down and run back out. | ||
| We call that one fast break, kind of mimicking like if it was a basketball court. | ||
| You'd run down, you jump up twice, run back, jump up twice. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| And then we have Spider-Man. | ||
| I mean, Spider-Man's one where you swim, you carry a dumbbell, and you descend into one end. | ||
| You jump up, you grab, you get a breath, you descend into the other end. | ||
| And then all these exercises, we're able to make them harder. | ||
| We'll do them on an exhale. | ||
| So to ramp up, we can either increase weight, we can increase distance, or we can do it on an exhale. | ||
| When you developed all this stuff, did you write all this down from your own practice, from all trial and error? | ||
| Like, how did you develop this method? | ||
| Well, some of them came from failure. | ||
| So, you know, you try to do one move and then you'd fail. | ||
| Some of them came from friends that I was working out with that would, oh, well, let's try this, and then we'd modify it. | ||
| Some of them came from my daughter. | ||
| I watched my daughter, my one daughter, swim down one day and grab a weight and then try to swim up with it. | ||
| I'm like, oh, that's a great move. | ||
| And, you know, so we... | ||
| Some of it came out of necessity for movement, like certain dynamic movements that the basketball guy, you know, one of my friends needed. | ||
| And then, so it naturally, all the movements kind of naturally evolved. | ||
| I think that's why they're all so great. | ||
| Great. | ||
| And there's an isolation to each limb. | ||
| So we have an isolation so you can really see if the dexterity of your right arm versus your left arm and how strong it is versus the other one, how strong one leg is next to the other one, the ranges of motion and the mobility. | ||
| We can do back flips and front flips, multiple. | ||
| So you jump up and get a breath and then do multiple flips and, and, and, and extend work time so that you extend breath work where you'll do, you know, like three or four moves in one on one breath. | ||
| So we have a bunch of ways to, to ramp it up as we evolve. | ||
| Cause you know how it is. | ||
| It's like in any exercise you get proficient and then you're like, well, how do I make it harder? | ||
| Well, you make it longer, you make it faster, you make it heavier. | ||
| I mean these, but because you're in the water, we always have the breath holding element And then we have the distance element, and then we have the weight because we have weight. | ||
| So we have the weight element. | ||
| So those are different ways that we can ramp it up. | ||
| So when you're developing this program, are you writing all this stuff down? | ||
| Are you doing these workouts yourself and saying, okay, I really started to fatigue after 30 of these, so we'll try to... | ||
| Well, I have a group of guys that train, that come to my house to train six days a week. | ||
| Six days a week? | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| In Malibu or in Kauai? | ||
| Yeah, in Malibu. | ||
| Oh. | ||
| So because Malibu's is summertime. | ||
| Right. | ||
| And summertime is when it's really like the season for training because there's no surf. | ||
| In the wintertime, you're not going to train and then have a giant swell and be tired. | ||
| That would be just stupid. | ||
| So you never want to let – the problem with it is that you get – I tell people, I go, listen, probably in any sport, you get the most out of shape – During the season. | ||
| You're in a certain kind of shape, game shape, but you're really not in shape because you can't have a regimented workout routine. | ||
| If you're competing. | ||
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| Right, of course. | ||
| The ocean's dictating the performance, right? | ||
| So you can be, oh, there's going to be 20 feet next, you know, in three days. | ||
| And then all of a sudden, you show that there's not, there's no surf. | ||
| It's only half the size or the wind screws it up or something. | ||
| So you get all that buildup. | ||
| up so we have to do things to kind of exhaust the energy but you can't be in a nice monday wednesday friday pool training with tuesday thursday saturday you know lifting mobility and yoga and whatever you know it's like you can't get into that kind of a rhythm and uh and hawaii's not conducive for that anyway it's part of the beauty of it is like oh it's so beautiful let's go to the thing or we're gonna go down the coast because it's a nice day it's good day for fishing go to the mountain there's just so much other activities to be done we're in this environment | ||
| you're in the desert and it's kind of like okay it's a june gloom no problem just bang iron or you know ride the mountain or do whatever you're going to do so that's uh But in that summertime routine, I have a group of guys, and we bounce everything off of each other. | ||
| So we'll do 10, and he'll do 10, and he'll do 10. I'll be like, yeah, that was good. | ||
| Okay, up the weight. | ||
| Okay, oh, 20 is too many, or that weight's too much, or that weight's enough. | ||
| And so it's evolved naturally that way. | ||
| And then... | ||
| And then I got some other friends that are a little bit more professional. | ||
| We have a friend of mine, PJ, who's been involved with all of the stuff around XPT to write programming and do that kind of stuff. | ||
| He trains a lot of fighters and it's great in mobility and training. | ||
| And some other training stuff. | ||
| So he'll come in and they start to really break it down and make it into a real program. | ||
| But we have routines that we do. | ||
| We have circuits that we do that we know how... | ||
| when we're taxed and you know it's an interesting thing about what the pool really teaches you is that you know you have a volume of energy available we go okay we know we got a 50 gallon tank and i can do three or four drills in in 10 or 15 minutes that did you just there's none left you just blew all 50 gallons right you do extended breath holds with super hard work where i can you know make the give you some things that are a little lighter and | ||
| Now we can take that 50-gallon tank, we can drag it out and make it last two hours, right? | ||
| Because we're doing higher volume, less weight, and so we're breathing more often. | ||
| We can expand that thing. | ||
| So everything in between, just blowing that whole tank up at once. | ||
| Right? | ||
| Through real intense breath hold with maximum weight. | ||
| You know, max breath hold, max weight, max rep. | ||
| Okay, we're good. | ||
| We're, I mean, it's, and I think lifting's the same way. | ||
| You know, it's like how many max lifts do you have in a certain day and how many per week do you have? | ||
| It's real tangible in the pool. | ||
| The pool's real, you know, the interesting thing about the pool is that it doesn't get, you don't get muscle soreness because of that compression. | ||
| So you don't get that, like, wow, I'm sore. | ||
| You get it, you go, almost every single person that comes, I always say, you know, you got to call me and tell me if you fell asleep at lunch. | ||
| And every guy, every person, you know, I was in the thing and just in their desk at the work or whatever, just fall asleep, like, guaranteed. | ||
| And some guys, you know, oh, I fell asleep for an hour. | ||
| I saw 20 minutes, 10 minutes, you know, but everybody, nighty-night. | ||
| Why is that? | ||
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I don't know. | |
| I think it has a lot to do with the oxygen and the taxation of that environment. | ||
| But it exhausts you in a terminal way. | ||
| It's a complete exhaustion. | ||
| And I don't know why part of it is the threat of being underwater. | ||
| Part of it is that the water is sucking the calories out of you. | ||
| You know, because it's like when they were talking to Phelps about burning all those calories. | ||
| Well, you know, three-quarters of the calories he was burning is because he was in a 70-degree pool. | ||
| And people go, well, it's a 75-degree pool. | ||
| And I go, yeah, but the body's 98.6. | ||
| So for the body to keep itself warm over in three hours, it's at 75. That's 20-degree differentiation. | ||
| You got to keep – the body's just working to keep itself warm. | ||
| And because the water – It affects you more than the air. | ||
| It's more intense on your system. | ||
| You just get tapped. | ||
| So the water temperature, the oxygen load, the psychology of being underwater with weights, the workload that it's taking, all those things play into just full, thorough exhaustion. | ||
| And nothing I do exhausts me more thoroughly and yet more... | ||
| Kind of comfortably than that. | ||
| Because you don't have experience joint pain. | ||
| Well, you're not wounded. | ||
| If I train that hard in the gym, I'll feel hurt after. | ||
| I'll be wounded. | ||
| I'll be a little like, and if I move wrong or something, I'll be like, oh, you feel like something, you tweak something. | ||
| So this allows you to do this six days a week? | ||
| That's one of the reasons why you can do it so often. | ||
| Well, it actually helps flush the other days when you're doing other land training. | ||
| So it actually helps support your – but no, I mean, we're not doing – we're doing pool training probably every other day. | ||
| It's just I end up turning the kind of – I love being in the pool so much that we do a thing called surf and turf. | ||
| So we have surf and turf where you're doing some sort of burpee press, some kind of lifting on the deck into the water, and then a routine in the water, and then back on the deck and back in the water. | ||
| You might be doing... | ||
| We have a move called... | ||
| Oh, wow. | ||
| So you do push-ups on that side. | ||
| You, you see horse over, you do push up that side, see horse back. | ||
| You do that. | ||
| I mean, you just blow up, right? | ||
| So we, I, I think I enjoy that, that part of it. | ||
| Just, just being creative, making it fun, making it interesting. | ||
| That's the part that really is enticing. | ||
| Just the drudgery and the monotony, like when you said, oh yeah, swimming laps. | ||
| I go, that's just like drudgery. | ||
| Which there's a mentality for that. | ||
| I can be good at that. | ||
| I can get on my board and I've done some endurance stuff. | ||
| I paddled 22 hours one time. | ||
| 22 hours? | ||
| Yeah. | ||
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| Yeah. | ||
| So I've done... | ||
| Why'd you do that? | ||
| I actually did a thing on Hawaii called the Hawaii 500. We called it the Hawaii 500. We started on the south point of Big Island, and we biked across the Big Island, so 125 miles. | ||
| Then we paddled to Maui at 38 miles, and then we biked across Maui, and then we paddled to Molokai, and then we biked across Molokai, then we paddled to Oahu, then we biked across Oahu, then we paddled to Kauai, then we biked across Kauai, and we did that in five days. | ||
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Jeez. | |
| What's day six like? | ||
| That's when you start coming good. | ||
| It's the end, but you're good. | ||
| No, it's what you said about Eddie. | ||
| All of a sudden, the body's like, oh, is this our new house? | ||
| Is this what we do? | ||
| Once the body makes that decision, all of a sudden, you're good. | ||
| Like, okay, I'm good. | ||
| I mean, the hands had blisters everywhere, but... | ||
| The body felt like, oh, this is where we, you know, I did Race Across America with Wildman. | ||
| He talked me into it. | ||
| I didn't want to do it, and he suckered me into it. | ||
| And he said, because I was like, he had other plans, because he was an operator, and he's like, he wanted me to go in this race, and it's a four-man team. | ||
| You know what Ram is? | ||
| It's called the Race Across America. | ||
| It's a bicycle race across America. | ||
| You start in Oceanside and in Delaware. | ||
| And so you bike across and each guy just goes like 45-45-45-45 and then you chase the other guy when he's riding and you get out and then you just go full bore as hard as you can for 45 minutes and the next guy gets on and he goes. | ||
| But you're riding in the car chasing the other guy and you do this day and night, right? | ||
| You're doing it day and night and The first couple days, we felt pretty sick. | ||
| You don't even want water. | ||
| You look at water and you're like, that's when I really learned how to appreciate kombucha. | ||
| But we don't even want water. | ||
| And then day two... | ||
| Day three, all of a sudden, day three, you're like, wow, stomach thing goes away. | ||
| I'm ready to go. | ||
| I feel good. | ||
| Let's go. | ||
| But it was that thing about the body being comfortable with that kind of drudgery. | ||
| But I don't mind the monotony of that, of that kind of like, hey, I'm going to go that island and just, you're going to paddle for... | ||
| But if I do it in a routine, like something that's a little more... | ||
| Not out of a mission. | ||
| Right. | ||
| Then I'm like, then you just, you know, I don't want to go in and do the same lifting routine day in and day out. | ||
| It's just not, I prefer creating new stuff and making it interesting and having that, the distraction of the challenge of something new and keep me interested. | ||
| I get it. | ||
| It makes sense. | ||
| Do you, what about massage? | ||
| Yeah, love it. | ||
| Live for it. | ||
| What kind do you get? | ||
| Only good ones. | ||
| But I mean, do you get deep tissue? | ||
| Do you get trigger points? | ||
| I've done almost every single modality you can think. | ||
| It's usually about the person. | ||
| It's usually about the person that gives it and if they're healers or not. | ||
| So I just try to find healers. | ||
| When you say healers, what do you mean? | ||
| The people that do it because they're into taking care of people. | ||
| They're not doing it as a profession. | ||
| They don't do it to make money. | ||
| They make money as a side product, but they're healers. | ||
| They just have a gift. | ||
| You can get 10 massages. | ||
| And they all can be good. | ||
| But there's just one of the people that they just have a skill. | ||
| They know how to touch. | ||
| They know what it is. | ||
| They know where. | ||
| They know how to feel it. | ||
| They know how to use the system. | ||
| I've done—the thing that I'm crazy about right now is I'm crazy about dry needling. | ||
| That's the thing that has been the most profound—I mean, I've done shiatsu and acupuncture and the thing and just—I mean, you know, and rolfing and I've done the 10 series— I've had all those different modalities, | ||
| but dry needling has been, you know, and then I have another person that just does, and I don't even know what art it is, it's just massage, and she just is able to understand the tissue, and she's relentless, and won't leave it until everything releases, and she knows how to release it. | ||
| Can you explain dry needling to people? | ||
| Dry needling is a technique where they use acupuncture needles on soft tissue. | ||
| And they touch the trigger point and get the stuff to release. | ||
| It's not acupuncture. | ||
| It's a different modality that I'm not sure if it's... | ||
| What states it's legal or not in. | ||
| I know most of the athletes that I know, they do it a lot in Australia. | ||
| They do it in Europe. | ||
| It's not legal in some places? | ||
| Huh? | ||
| Some places it's not legal? | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| Why? | ||
| I have no idea. | ||
| Probably because it works. | ||
| And somebody's threatened by it. | ||
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| I mean, isn't that usually the case? | ||
| Well, I guess, or someone doesn't understand it, and they think someone's a quack, and get those needles out of these people. | ||
| You don't know what you're doing. | ||
| There's no science here. | ||
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| Well, there's some science behind it, but it absolutely is the most functional. | ||
| I mean, I got friends with giant knots in their traps, and one session, the thing goes away. | ||
| Extremely intense. | ||
| Yeah, intense. | ||
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| Try needling is, you know, if I ever have my friend who's really good at it comes through, I'll steer her your way because it's the most effective. | ||
| I mean, I think as someone that you're always looking, right? | ||
| We're always looking. | ||
| Hey, we need the heat. | ||
| We need the ice. | ||
| We need the thing. | ||
| We need the food. | ||
| We need the thing. | ||
| Where's the turmeric? | ||
| We always are looking. | ||
| So when I run into things that are effective, I cherish them because I know that – and the problem is you have a high bar because when you've experienced great work – You just, you can't, you go get somebody who does a little mushy mushy, and you're just like, I don't have time for that. | ||
| I'll lay still for three hours if I know somebody knows what they're doing. | ||
| But I won't be there for 20 minutes if somebody, if I feel like it's like, You're half-assed now. | ||
| Yeah, which is a lot of it. | ||
| You know, a lot of that stuff's out there. | ||
| And no fault to the people. | ||
| I think part of it is just... | ||
| They probably just don't know. | ||
| And their intentions. | ||
| It's got to be your intentions. | ||
| Why? | ||
| Why do you do it? | ||
| Yeah, it's interesting how some people could just find those problem areas. | ||
| They just, oh, it's right here? | ||
| And you're like... | ||
| How do you know? | ||
| They know. | ||
| And they feel it with their hands. | ||
| They see with their hands. | ||
| And they know right where it's connecting and where to dig in. | ||
| And how to release it. | ||
| That's an art. | ||
| Myofascial release. | ||
| It's real. | ||
| It's real. | ||
| When you're good and somebody really knows what they're doing. | ||
| That's why I say more about the people than the technique. | ||
| Yeah, yeah, yeah, but give me the person. | ||
| But that dry needling is the most effective of any of the stuff that I've used. | ||
| And this person is in California that you use? | ||
| The girl that helps me is in Hawaii, but they teach in Colorado. | ||
| It's actually a technique that they developed. | ||
| Some guys that were studying pain, from my understanding, they were studying pain. | ||
| And so what they did is they had all these people that were injured in different areas, and then they injected them with different solutions. | ||
| And they injected them with like a placebo and like saline and Novocaine and all kinds of different things. | ||
| And everybody got better. | ||
| And what they realized is that it was the needle and the acuteness of the needles themselves in the areas that were painful that was causing this release. | ||
| And so they developed the whole pain referral chart, and then they developed this technique. | ||
| And it's – because everybody always confuses it with acupuncture. | ||
| They go, oh, yeah, acupuncture. | ||
| I go, no, it's not acupuncture. | ||
| This is in the soft tissue. | ||
| Acupuncture is on the meridians and on the electrical system. | ||
| This is soft tissue. | ||
| This is to get the soft tissue to release, but they'll take stuff that you've had that's just like a cable somewhere or a knot or something that just won't release. | ||
| But it's back to that no pain, no gain. | ||
| Oh yeah, for sure. | ||
| There's always that. | ||
| I got a lady that does trigger point massage and it's the most painful shit I've ever experienced in my life. | ||
| You just want to quit. | ||
| Absolutely. | ||
| But when I get out of there the next day, everything's loose and pliable. | ||
| I've had things that I've really injured myself and she fixed it. | ||
| And then like a day later, like it doesn't hurt anymore. | ||
| I'm like, this is strange. | ||
| And it's been hurt like for months. | ||
| Yes. | ||
| So there was something in there that was knotted up. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| And I always assume that that's an injury. | ||
| And sometimes it's not an injury. | ||
| It's not. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| It's just the tissue. | ||
| It's just not releasing. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| Well, and this has something to do with the fascia and some other stuff going on that they have to know how to release it. | ||
| Sauna seems to help that quite a bit, too. | ||
| And ice, crazy. | ||
| The combination of those two are... | ||
| I mean, that's... | ||
| What I've found is that sauna and ice... | ||
| Kind of eliminate the need, really, to get worked on unless it's super acute. | ||
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| Like, if it's super acute, then you need somebody to go in there and put the jackhammer on it. | ||
| But if it's not acute like that, just the normal maintenance and actually preventing the stuff from getting to a point where you really need to get the work, the sauna is magic. | ||
| That stuff is... | ||
| Crazy good. | ||
| And it seems to me that when I've been ramping up the temperature, like in the 200s and now in the 210s, it seems more effective. | ||
| More effective. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| More effective. | ||
| Well, it's more intense. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| More torture. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| More torture. | ||
| And then more results. | ||
| But I'm a little bit... | ||
| You know, and I don't know. | ||
| Maybe it's something you can find out. | ||
| But this thing with... | ||
| I'm a little rocky right now with the infrared. | ||
| - I was gonna ask you that. - I'm a little rocky with the infrared right now, only because of just something that happened to me with my skin, and then I met a dermatologist that was pretty educated, and he was saying that he says it damages the collagen. | ||
| - Infrared does? | ||
| - Yeah. | ||
| Damages the collagen in your body. | ||
| Well, it affects the structure of the skin because of the penetration of it. | ||
| And that the most you should ever do is... | ||
| And these aren't my words. | ||
| But the most you should ever do is three times a week for 15 minutes at the most. | ||
| For infrared. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| And he was saying that... | ||
| And you should never look at it as well. | ||
| Jesus. | ||
| Like it's harmful to the eyes. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| I got a regular sauna just because the protocol that Dr. Rhonda Patrick was talking about for those, I guess it was, was it Norway that did those studies? | ||
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| That was all regular sauna. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| So I'm like, well, if they're getting these results from regular sauna, I'll just do regular sauna. | ||
| Well, I like regular anyway because it just seems like it's natural. | ||
| It's kind of like ice. | ||
| Like people go in cryo. | ||
| Hey, you want to go cryo? | ||
| I go, I have an ice tub. | ||
| I don't need cryo. | ||
| And by the way, if you want to do a real ice, go in an ice tub because cryo is cakewalk compared to a real ice tub. | ||
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| Well, you can only do cryo for a couple of minutes, too. | ||
| And you don't have heat next to it. | ||
| I mean, you can only do ice for a couple of minutes, too. | ||
| The thing about cryo, though, is you can do cryo and then work out. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| Well, you can do ice and work out, too. | ||
| Can you? | ||
| And you know, yeah, I do that all the time. | ||
| In fact, we incorporate ice into training. | ||
| And so one of the things that we do is we'll three quarters into the training, we'll just pull out right when you start to kind of lose some of your juice and you'll go do like three minutes and come out and then try and you have another gear. | ||
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| So that's another little thing to incorporate ice within that system, or we'll do ice as we train, as one of the stations. | ||
| Imagine doing a circuit, and one of the stations is, you know, we were doing a horse a couple months ago, last season maybe, but we were doing like an iron horse where you're standing in a horse position with your arms, and we'd stand in that position for 10 or 15 minutes. | ||
| What is a horse position with your arm? | ||
| You mean like a horse stance? | ||
| Yeah, horse stance, yes. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| Okay. | ||
| So we're in a horse stance. | ||
| And what are you doing with your arms? | ||
| Where the arms are straight out. | ||
| Okay. | ||
| You're holding. | ||
| Okay. | ||
| So call it the iron horse or whatever. | ||
| Just standing in the horse. | ||
| So you stand in the horse position. | ||
| Ten minutes. | ||
| Go on the ice. | ||
| Three minutes. | ||
| Oh. | ||
| Come back out. | ||
| Stand in the thing. | ||
| Go back in the ice. | ||
| Stand in the thing. | ||
| Blow you up. | ||
| Explode you. | ||
| Like crazy. | ||
| So, I mean, there's always, like I said, there's always a little, you know, a little hook to give it, but the ice to incorporate it within your training, I think is phenomenal. | ||
| Like people, that's why I question warming up because people go, oh, warm up. | ||
| How about do three to five minutes of ice and then go start all your cardio and start to train, right? | ||
| Where your body would just be freaked out. | ||
| Freaked out. | ||
| But the ice makes you stimulate it. | ||
| Like when you feel the system, it's cold, but you're not cold. | ||
| Right, because your body's trying to heat up just like Michael Phelps in the pool. | ||
| Heat up. | ||
| It's revving. | ||
| Yeah, interesting. | ||
| So that's like the science of the fun. | ||
| For me, I look at it like a laboratory. | ||
| It's a little bit like being an artist and playing with all that stuff. | ||
| That keeps me interested. | ||
| It keeps me excited about learning. | ||
| Learning, because I think it's about learning. | ||
| It's all about learning. | ||
| Yeah, learning about your body and learning about what's effective. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| Well, that's why I'm glad there's guys like you out there. | ||
| I really am. | ||
| The guinea pigs. | ||
| Yeah, well, the guinea pigs and also the guinea pigs that, again, are in my age group. | ||
| Yeah, yeah. | ||
| So, like, I know that it's possible to keep doing this when I'm 55. Absolutely. | ||
| Long after that. | ||
| Well, listen, man, thank you. | ||
| Thanks for coming here. | ||
| Thanks for doing that. | ||
| I want to do your workout, too. | ||
| Yeah, well, you're having an open invitation. | ||
| All right. | ||
| Let's make it happen. | ||
| I got a... | ||
| I'm still... | ||
| After the fires, I'm still cleaning. | ||
| So, I got... | ||
| This weekend, I should... | ||
| We're doing a cert, so we're training some people. | ||
| This weekend. | ||
| But after this weekend, I'm open for the summer. | ||
| So if you want to come and, you know. | ||
| Beautiful. | ||
| I will do that. | ||
| Let's make it happen. | ||
| Thank you, brother. | ||
| I really appreciate it. | ||
| Aloha to you too as well. | ||
| Thank you. | ||
| Thank you. |
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