May 20, 2019 - The Joe Rogan Experience
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| Boom. | ||
| Here we go. | ||
| What's up, buddy? | ||
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How are you? | |
| Good to see you. | ||
| Great. | ||
| Good to be here. | ||
| We were talking before the podcast about people who get mad when I have you on, like as if you're some sort of a monster. | ||
| You're a mean person. | ||
| We were just saying, you're a New York Jew. | ||
| You're snarky. | ||
| You say funny things. | ||
| But this idea that you're a Nazi or something, like, people have gotten so crazy. | ||
| I like that this is this icebreaker. | ||
| Hey, welcome to my show. | ||
| By the way, why do people think you're a Nazi? | ||
| Someone sent me, I don't read comments on Twitter, but someone sent me something like, you having this guy on today. | ||
| And I'm like, that is so hilarious. | ||
| I go, this guy is, yeah, there's some shit you say I don't agree with. | ||
| Sure. | ||
| You're very reasonable and very intelligent. | ||
| Yeah, the last chapter of the book is me arguing with the Nazis. | ||
| Conversation, folks. | ||
| It's not bad. | ||
| It's not bad to talk to people. | ||
| Well, it's kind of for them a religious thing, right? | ||
| If someone is a sinner, you can't acknowledge them. | ||
| They have to be outside of the fort. | ||
| That's a good way to look at it. | ||
| That is what it is. | ||
| You know what's interesting? | ||
| I know these people don't mean to do this. | ||
| This is not their plan. | ||
| But if you wanted to keep Donald Trump in office, the way the people that oppose Donald Trump are behaving is the perfect way to keep him in office. | ||
| If you tell high schoolers, if you smoke, your parents are going to get upset and the teachers are going to get upset. | ||
| That's the biggest cigarette commercial, right? | ||
| So you tell these kids, hey, if you go to these websites and read these books... | ||
| Then your parents and the establishment and the teachers are all going to be afraid of you. | ||
| Well, sign me up. | ||
| I mean, it's as simple as that. | ||
| It's the same exact psychology. | ||
| And they're driving people to the fringe. | ||
| They are. | ||
| And the de-platforming thing is fascinating because the way this stuff works, folks, is – When people get deplatformed, the first people that'll get deplatformed are people that you agree with getting deplatformed. | ||
| People like, you know, like a real Nazi, like someone who's an avowed white supremacist. | ||
| You're like, yeah, deplatformed that guy. | ||
| And then it's a little slippery. | ||
| Because then it's like, this guy's a suspected Nazi, or this guy is friends with a Nazi, or this guy had a Nazi on his show, or this guy had a white supremacist on his show, this guy had a guy who thinks it's okay to be white on his show. | ||
| And then as it gets more and more progressive, it gets more and more preposterous, but it really is grades. | ||
| Once you accept one grade, then you drop below in a little bit more preposterous, and then that's acceptable, and then a little bit more, and then that becomes acceptable. | ||
| And it's a double standard between people who are orthodox and people who are unorthodox. | ||
| Barbara Walters sat down with Castro. | ||
| She sat down with Gaddafi, who's killed how many people? | ||
| That's fine. | ||
| You could sit down with a murderous dictator if you're Gaddafi. | ||
| If you sit down with someone on a podcast with someone who has abhorrent views, that is somehow different. | ||
| Well, it's a new thing. | ||
| Right. | ||
| It's a platforming and de-platforming and you putting this guy on your platform. | ||
| Like all this kind of communication is very new. | ||
| It just didn't exist. | ||
| No one was saying that to Mike Wallace. | ||
| No one was saying that as you're saying to Barbara Walters. | ||
| That was my argument to the data and society lady. | ||
| Oh, Jesus. | ||
| I said, Barbara Walters interviewed Fidel Castro. | ||
| Does that make her a communist? | ||
| Right. | ||
| I interviewed Milo. | ||
| Am I a gay conservative provocateur now? | ||
| Are you? | ||
| I don't think so. | ||
| Need to go to a doctor. | ||
| Well, I mean, what they're trying to do is, thanks to social media, they no longer have a monopoly. | ||
| And I don't mean they, I just mean like orthodox thought. | ||
| It doesn't mean left wing or right wing. | ||
| Orthodox thought no longer has a monopoly on the microphone. | ||
| I think we're good to go. | ||
| Could with clean hands say, we're not being involved in politics, we're following their rules. | ||
| So that's what this data society lady is trying to do. | ||
| It's like, okay, I'm giving you Target, whatever company an excuse. | ||
| These are the people you don't need to deal with. | ||
| And then they could say, well, it's not up to us. | ||
| We're looking at this from an external point of view. | ||
| Well, and also my perspective on it is that there's certain subjects that I think that we can all agree on. | ||
| We need to cover and we need to deal with in terms of laws and in terms of the way the government is run. | ||
| But a lot of these disagreements aren't on that. | ||
| A lot of these disagreements seem to be just on political ideologies and like liberal versus conservative ideologies. | ||
| And people think differently. | ||
| They have different styles of behavior and thinking. | ||
| This is why, like, if you had a station that played hip-hop, and all of a sudden you just got a bunch of Aerosmith songs playing, you'd be like, what the fuck is this? | ||
| This is not what I want. | ||
| Get this off the station. | ||
| Except for Walk This Way. | ||
| That's good. | ||
| Well, the one with Run DMC. Yeah, that's the one exception. | ||
| That was one exception. | ||
| That's sort of how a lot of people seem to be approaching conservative versus progressive thinking. | ||
| Once you have this mindset, you don't want to hear other opinions as if they're going to influence you or you don't like the way they sound, you don't like what they're doing, and you want to get them off the channel. | ||
| And this is what it seems like is happening with social media platforms. | ||
| These social media platforms are like, we're a country station. | ||
| We don't play heavy metal. | ||
| Get that shit off our network. | ||
| Like, we are a progressive network. | ||
| We don't play conservative. | ||
| Get that stuff off. | ||
| Well, if they had said that we're a progressive network, we play conservative, that would be honest and fair. | ||
| But the claim is, no, we are banning people who are doing X, Y, and Z. Yeah, and you know, for people that are like, oh my god, they're talking about this again. | ||
| Fuckers, listen, this is really important shit. | ||
| This is going to decide how we... | ||
| This didn't exist before, okay? | ||
| And now it does. | ||
| Now we have this unbelievable ability to communicate. | ||
| And I'm enjoying it right now, talking to you, right? | ||
| We're all enjoying it if you're tweeting about this or writing comments about this. | ||
| But if this really branches off until one side gets to do it and one side doesn't, we're going to have a fucking tremendous problem in this country. | ||
| If you think that this problem that we have right now, when it's just starting to be an issue over the last couple years, if you think that this could escalate into a serious conflict, it's absolutely reasonable to think that violence could come out of this. | ||
| Well, the Trump presidency was the escalation. | ||
| Before Trump, it was, okay, fake news was this left idea that, like, these news sites are putting out lies. | ||
| If your point of view is different to mine, it's not just wrong, it's illegitimate. | ||
| And a lot of people were in that voting booth and said, you want illegitimacy? | ||
| Okay, I'm voting for Donald Trump for president. | ||
| And now he's in the White House. | ||
| So for you to say that... | ||
| For people to say that these ideas are evil and shouldn't be discussed, those are separate concepts. | ||
| Because even if you think they're evil, if from your point of view it's in the White House, are you going to pretend this isn't the most powerful man in the world? | ||
| There's a big contradiction there. | ||
| But one of the things progressivism offers many people is this idea of truth and certainty, knowing you're one of the good guys, knowing you're in the majority. | ||
| And when you find that that is not always true, I think that causes some cognitive stress. | ||
| Yeah, no, I would absolutely agree with that. | ||
| I just think... | ||
| a real problem that's happening now with some of the accounts that i'm seeing getting banned without reason without reason for things that are like parody accounts well carpe donctum sorry to interrupt you he's the one who made this great meme during the state of the union where he had president trump and all the he's a footage from the state of the union of the democrats looking pissed and he put it over the song everybody hurts right there's too many videos It's a joke. | ||
| You can see it on Saturday Live. | ||
| You don't have to be Republican or Democrat to laugh at sour pusses. | ||
| They got a copyright strike because you don't have the right to use the music. | ||
| Trump had retweeted it. | ||
| He put out another one. | ||
| He just got suspended for a week. | ||
| He did the video for my book. | ||
| Here's the thing. | ||
| If someone is a name, you can say, hey, delete this tweet. | ||
| It violates our guidelines. | ||
| You give them warnings. | ||
| You can call their manager. | ||
| They don't do that. | ||
| You're just vanished overnight. | ||
| And there's something very Soviet about this. | ||
| Because when they vanish you, your entire archives get vanished too. | ||
| And it's like, wait a minute, this person's bad and dangerous, don't you want to show other people as an example of what to avoid? | ||
| Like, this will get you banned so you can modify your behavior accordingly. | ||
| But what they want, apparently, it looks like what they want, is for everyone to be self-centering and to be afraid. | ||
| And that way, it's like, instead of saying we're censorious, it's like, you made that decision on your own. | ||
| Well, I know Trump has been talking about this now because it affects so many people that are his supporters. | ||
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Right. | |
| And he's been discussing the idea that these people need to abide by the First Amendment. | ||
| And then there's your argument, well, either they're a private company, they can put on whatever they want, and they can decide whatever they want, or they're protected by the First Amendment. | ||
| Sure. | ||
| You know, I had Tulsi Gabbard on the other day. | ||
| I love her. | ||
| I love her, too. | ||
| I asked her to do my show. | ||
| She wouldn't reply. | ||
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Really? | |
| Yeah. | ||
| Why? | ||
| I don't know. | ||
| She didn't reply. | ||
| I don't know. | ||
| On Compound Media? | ||
| On Gas Digital. | ||
| Oh, you're on Gas Digital. | ||
| That's even more disgusting than Compound Media. | ||
| That's the problem. | ||
| In all the good ways. | ||
| In all the good ways. | ||
| Listen, I love Louis. | ||
| I love all those guys. | ||
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I know. | |
| But they're savages. | ||
| So she's probably like, oh, fuck. | ||
| Like, I'm savage adjacent. | ||
| Like, I'll have those guys on... | ||
| You know what I mean? | ||
| I have officially gotten permission that the room we all record in is called the gas chamber. | ||
| Oh, Jesus. | ||
| Yeah, you can say that. | ||
| I can say that. | ||
| Yeah, you're allowed. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| Or you got that privilege. | ||
| Yeah, that's privilege. | ||
| True privilege, yeah. | ||
| Yeah, maybe she will. | ||
| I'll tell her about it. | ||
| But she was on. | ||
| Her and I are besties. | ||
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Yeah, we're totally besties. | |
| I really do respect the shit out of her. | ||
| I really do. | ||
| You know, I would love to call her Madam President. | ||
| I think that would be dope. | ||
| She's smart, man. | ||
| She's so measured. | ||
| I mean, she doesn't have all the answers. | ||
| I mean, some of the things that she says are things that you say, you know? | ||
| Sure. | ||
| Like, we're going to have to work to create more jobs. | ||
| Like, that kind of talk is like politician talk. | ||
| And I go, okay, well, what would that mean? | ||
| And we'll have to figure that out. | ||
| And I think she's sincere. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| These answers don't really exist. | ||
| How to fix inner cities. | ||
| These are some of the big issues that she discussed. | ||
| We talked about horrible neighborhoods that have always been horrible. | ||
| How is this? | ||
| We're going to fucking Afghanistan trying to fix there, and we're not trying to fix Chicago, the south side of Chicago. | ||
| What's happening there? | ||
| Why are so many people getting shot? | ||
| How come we can't fix it? | ||
| You know what's funny? | ||
| Back in the day, they had something called slum clearance. | ||
| And the idea was, if you tear down these old buildings and build new buildings, somehow the crime's going to go away. | ||
| And this was a big movement. | ||
| It's just like, yeah, it's the building's fault. | ||
| It's the fucking haunted houses people are living in. | ||
| They have decades and decades of crack and bullets flying through them. | ||
| That's so crazy. | ||
| No, but she's great because my biggest issue is anti-war. | ||
| Yes. | ||
| And anyone for me whose first priority isn't, let's stop killing people, that I'm a fan of. | ||
| Yeah, and she's also a veteran. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| 16 years. | ||
| Yeah, yeah. | ||
| I'm a big fan. | ||
| But, you know, I think this country needs more. | ||
| We need real plans. | ||
| The way we engineer software systems, search engines, operating systems for cell phones, they should engineer society. | ||
| We should really be looking at it in terms of... | ||
| The potential for prosperity, opportunity, all these different things that we don't cover. | ||
| We just sort of leave so much up to chance because we buy the bullshit that, like, I mean, I think we all know at this point that not everyone's on an even playing field. | ||
| We're just not. | ||
| I don't think a lot of people know that. | ||
| Well, they're fucking crazy. | ||
| And that's the problem. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| Yes. | ||
| They're fucking crazy. | ||
| If you don't think that being born in a crime-ridden neighborhood with violence all around you and being exposed to that at an early age fucks your head up. | ||
| I don't even mean that. | ||
| I think the fact that to admit that a lot of people aren't hardworking. | ||
| Oh yeah, there's that too. | ||
| And to say that out there is shocking to many people. | ||
| It's like, yeah, some people are bad. | ||
| Some people think that just because they show up at work and they don't want to, that they're working hard. | ||
| Right. | ||
| It's hard for them. | ||
| You fucking, you just got lucky. | ||
| You know what I read that was one of the more hilarious things that I've ever heard of a crazy progressive person write? | ||
| If you are successful, it is because someone else got fucked over. | ||
| That's so disturbing. | ||
| But it's such a crazy way to look at it. | ||
| It's like, okay, somewhere down the chain, if you have an iPhone, someone got fucked over. | ||
| Someone lost their iPhone. | ||
| But that's the logic, right? | ||
| No, no, no. | ||
| The logic is someone had to work as a slave in Foxconn to make these fucking iPhones for like 15 cents a week or whatever they make over there. | ||
| But if that slave wasn't making 15 cents a week, that slave would be dead. | ||
| That's what they're not missing. | ||
| That's where it gets squirrely, right? | ||
| But yeah, but is that okay? | ||
| When they go to third world countries and set up these sweatshops, and I knew someone who had one, and they were doing fucking mental gymnastics to try to justify, and I was like, wait a minute, how much do you pay these people? | ||
| And they were like, they were going to starve to death if it wasn't for us. | ||
| I'm like, are you sure they were there, right? | ||
| They were there. | ||
| They've probably been there for thousands of years. | ||
| Like, where'd you go? | ||
| Like, Guatemala? | ||
| Where was it? | ||
| Argentina? | ||
| I'll give you two examples that are... | ||
| Maybe I can't speak to specific... | ||
| Second World examples. | ||
| North Korea, which is obviously my beat, right? | ||
| Yeah, that's your beat. | ||
| So there is a zone between North and South Korea where they work together. | ||
| DMZ, motherfucker. | ||
| No, but it's like this enrichment zone. | ||
| Oh, so they work together? | ||
| Right. | ||
| So the North Koreans work there. | ||
| The South Koreans kind of put it together. | ||
| Oh. | ||
| And the government takes like 95% of your money. | ||
| And also North Koreans who work in Russian logging camps where the government takes like 95% of your money. | ||
| They're slaves. | ||
| They're 100% slaves. | ||
| Wow. | ||
| But they're beating down their doors to work in these locations because they're providing for their family and they're still wealthier than the alternative. | ||
| Now, this is a very extreme situation. | ||
| This isn't like, I don't know, Third World, what country your friend has a sweatshop in. | ||
| But there are circumstances where a lot of people on the left and on the right don't understand often that politics and economics is about often you have two bad choices. | ||
| Like, what is the alternative? | ||
| It's like, for example, you're going to put forth a law. | ||
| What are you going to do about people who are going to look at this law not in good faith? | ||
| Like, there was that guy, what's his name, Zumi, Zudi, who said, I'm trans, and he just made that video. | ||
| Oh, Zubi. | ||
| Zubi, yeah. | ||
| He just broke the woman's deadlift referee. | ||
| He's like, I'm a woman, here we go. | ||
| By the way, they took those records away from that Australian woman that used to be a guy. | ||
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Okay. | |
| That was Australia, right? | ||
| Wasn't it the world – the powerlifting women's world record? | ||
| She broke like three of them. | ||
| So not even about trans stuff. | ||
| It's like what do you do with any law when someone is going to act in bad faith? | ||
| And if you can't account for that, you're not being responsible with your proposal. | ||
| Yeah, this isn't even a law, though. | ||
| We're talking about with the trans athletes. | ||
| It's just – it's loopholes. | ||
| People don't want to be seen as transphobic in today's climate, so they're allowing preposterous things. | ||
| What was that like for you when you were talking? | ||
| I remember when you were talking to Adam on this show, that got pretty heated. | ||
| Oh yeah, Adam ruins everything? | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| It didn't get heated. | ||
| I mean, I never got upset. | ||
| We absolutely disagreed. | ||
| But he had some crazy notions about competition that didn't make any sense either. | ||
| That somehow or another the sports are designed to favor men. | ||
| What? | ||
| Yeah, it didn't make any sense. | ||
| A lot of it was progressive rehashing, in my opinion. | ||
| I think it sounded good to him, but I don't know how much actual thought he's put into it. | ||
| What's actually interesting is in his show... | ||
| He's well-researched and no one's opposing this data that he's putting out. | ||
| So he gets to say these things. | ||
| It's one of the problems with writing a blog or making a video about something where no one goes, actually, that's not really true. | ||
| This is why that's not true. | ||
| Let me explain. | ||
| And this is why you're wrong. | ||
| And now continue. | ||
| See, when you can just go on these long, unchecked Rants. | ||
| That's where you get, like, flat earth believers. | ||
| That's what that shit's from, because they watch those videos, and they go, oh, this makes sense. | ||
| But this is why it's so important that unorthodox voices don't get deplatformed. | ||
| Because even if that person is putting forth things that are completely full of shit, their criticism and their perspective, they might have some truth in it. | ||
| And at the very least, like when I was at Charlottesville and I talked to these people... | ||
| By talking to them, it makes me think through, why do I believe what I believe? | ||
| Why is my truth the actual truth? | ||
| And I'm going to be challenged on my views, and I'm going to have a better grounding for them, as opposed to, like you're saying, if I'm sitting here just giving a monologue, and no one ever calls me out on my bullshit. | ||
| Yeah, I think, I see what you're saying, and I think what they think is you have to silence these bad voices, like the anti-vax movement. | ||
| That's a big one, right? | ||
| Now people are saying you've got to silence anti-vax. | ||
| So they're taking anti-vax videos down, they're taking anti-vax pages down. | ||
| I don't know how much they actually know about the science. | ||
| Vaccines are incredible for health in terms of what they've done to protect us from diseases. | ||
| They've stopped smallpox. | ||
| They've stopped polio. | ||
| And when you see these outbreaks of measles, that is a direct result of people not getting vaccinated. | ||
| You know, does that mean that no one's ever been hurt by vaccines? | ||
| No. | ||
| No, it doesn't, man. | ||
| There's a vaccine court. | ||
| People have been injured. | ||
| People have died. | ||
| That's a fact. | ||
| But that's, I think, just a part of medical procedures in human beings. | ||
| I mean, a lot of kids die every year from circumcision. | ||
| They get infections. | ||
| They lose their penises. | ||
| Yeah, it's, like, very common. | ||
| Like, way more common in terms of, like, the numbers per year than you would ever want to hear. | ||
| Oh, God. | ||
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Okay. | |
| Yeah. | ||
| People die from things. | ||
| They get infections. | ||
| People have allergic reactions to certain chemicals. | ||
| But then the problem is now those vaxxers can say we're being covered up. | ||
| Now they're honest. | ||
| It's the truth. | ||
| They are being covered up. | ||
| They are being covered up. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| So it's very – I would think – But the problem is who's right and who's wrong. | ||
| Like if you're a person and you have a child and you're terrified, can you go to these websites and you're like, oh my god, I don't want my kid to get – We're good to go. | ||
| Very knowledgeable about vaccines and very knowledgeable about diseases in general. | ||
| He was describing what they think the causes of autism are, how it takes place in the womb, and how what's most likely happening is just expressing itself at the same time that the kid's getting vaccinated. | ||
| And you're correlating the two things together. | ||
| Well, there's also the movement of not regarding autism as a problem or a coda, you know, children of deaf adults. | ||
| You know, you have these parents whose kids are deaf and they refuse to get them cochlear implants to give them the ability to hear because they think that's losing deaf culture. | ||
| Now, to me... | ||
| You never heard this? | ||
| No. | ||
| This is a thing. | ||
| Yeah, yeah. | ||
| Because everything is a thing. | ||
| When you think about it for a few seconds, you can understand where they're coming from because you want to be like, well, you're saying I'm bad because I'm deaf. | ||
| But then you hear people that are trans-disabled. | ||
| Do you know what that is? | ||
| Where they cut their hand off because they feel like they're supposed to have no hand? | ||
| No. | ||
| Oh, yes. | ||
| Oh yeah, see these things, this is what I'm saying, like they're all, I'm lumping them all together because what they are is all of them are these weird variables when it comes to human behavior and thinking and patterns and biology. | ||
| All these weird variables where you get so many numbers. | ||
| And if you have all these people, 300 whatever million we have in this country, you're gonna have a few thousand of almost every fucking variable. | ||
| Every weird variable. | ||
| Good lord. | ||
| Good lord. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| All I know is the politics. | ||
| The health stuff, I don't even want to wade into that. | ||
| Dude, there was an old website that I was going to. | ||
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What was that? | |
| Body Modification Extreme. | ||
| Do you remember that guy? | ||
| BME. He died. | ||
| Oh, the lizard guy? | ||
| Or the cat guy? | ||
| No, his name was Shannon Laureate is how you say his name. | ||
| But B-M-E, Body Modification Extreme was the website. | ||
| He and I became like pen pals. | ||
| He sent me some stuff. | ||
| I wrote something once about body modification, like what kind of weird shit people do. | ||
| And he's like, hey man, if you ever have any questions, feel free to ask me. | ||
| This is my website. | ||
| He sent me a password to his website because it was like one of those things you had to pay for a membership. | ||
| And I was like, holy shit. | ||
| You go to this website and it's just, it was just, this was in the 90s, okay? | ||
| And the most freakish, weirdest fucking body modifications and there's a whole culture behind it. | ||
| People putting horns on their heads and doing weird shit to their skin, making it bulge out and tattooing their whole face. | ||
| My friend Melissa, she had magnets implanted on her fingers. | ||
| I don't know why. | ||
| Well, you never know. | ||
| For what? | ||
| What do you think the magnets for? | ||
| Well, you have to pick things up but you don't want to close your hand. | ||
| What the fuck is wrong with me? | ||
| Tree frogs. | ||
| Magnets. | ||
| Well, people think that magnets, like, wear magnets as a wristband. | ||
| It's supposed to be good for you. | ||
| It cures autism. | ||
| You get the vaccine, then you get the magnet. | ||
| You know, it sounds stupid, but they use magnetic therapy for veterans that have PTSD and CTE because there's areas of the brain that they can actually stimulate with these very powerful magnets. | ||
| Kat Zingano, UFC fighter. | ||
| She went down there when she was having some serious repercussions from her fight with Amanda Nunes. | ||
| She got really battered badly in the first round. | ||
| And her hormones were out of whack for months afterwards. | ||
| She was all fucked up. | ||
| Her cortisol levels were all fucked up. | ||
| And finally, she went and her sparring was off. | ||
| Her timing was off. | ||
| She was like, I just have to rush people. | ||
| I didn't have any sense of timing. | ||
| She was having real problems with her brain. | ||
| And they fixed it. | ||
| They fix it with magnets, these electromagnetic pulses. | ||
| I'm just saying words that I don't understand. | ||
| So if you're a scientist and you're like, what the fuck are you saying? | ||
| There's a scientist tweeting at you feverishly right now. | ||
| You're spreading lies! | ||
| Listen, angry scientist, I'm with you. | ||
| I'm retarded. | ||
| Listen, they throw these waves at the brain and somehow or another these electromagnetic waves stimulate areas of the mind. | ||
| And it actually forces brain cells to grow and forces neural connections. | ||
| It's really interesting stuff. | ||
| Kat Singano explained it pretty in depth, but it really helped her. | ||
| So it's weird that a magnet would work for that. | ||
| But those are like really strong ones. | ||
| Okay. | ||
| The little ones around your wrist. | ||
| No, that doesn't do anything. | ||
| But it might. | ||
| I mean, I don't know. | ||
| What the fuck do I know? | ||
| Yeah, well, I'm not spending the $24.99 on that fucking bracelet, that's for sure. | ||
| Yeah, but it's got an English guy that's selling it. | ||
| That's how you know it's legit. | ||
| And it comes with a mop. | ||
| It comes with a free shammy. | ||
| Remember the ShamWow guy? | ||
| He's dead, isn't he? | ||
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Yeah, didn't he get bit? | |
| He's Israeli. | ||
| Did he get bit by a hooker? | ||
| Oh, no, it's the other one who got died. | ||
| The OxyClean guy's dead. | ||
| Billy whatever. | ||
| ShamWow's alive. | ||
| Yeah, Billy was tooting up. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
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Is that what it was? | |
| Yeah, he had a lot of coke in his system, apparently. | ||
| Oh. | ||
| He's cutting with OxyClean? | ||
| He had a heart attack, right? | ||
|
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Yeah. | |
| Listen, man, you got that oxy money. | ||
| That'll clean your sinuses up. | ||
| You want a fucking party. | ||
| He probably had a yellow Lamborghini, a dick implant. | ||
| Just kidding. | ||
| I made that part up. | ||
| I'm sure he was a great guy. | ||
| Wasn't he in the middle of doing a television show? | ||
| They were doing a television show about him. | ||
| Yeah, he had the pitchman. | ||
| It was like a sitcom or something. | ||
| It was like a... | ||
| Reality show? | ||
| Yeah, reality type show where they're following them around doing pitches and stuff. | ||
| There's an art to that shit. | ||
| Those guys... | ||
| He got me to buy... | ||
| Shark Tank before them. | ||
| I think they were helping people do stuff. | ||
| Sort of. | ||
| Oh, like Kitchen Nightmares? | ||
| Yeah, I'm friends with his son. | ||
| Oh! | ||
| The Shark Tank's son or the... | ||
| No, Billy Mays. | ||
| Billy Mays. | ||
| You're friends with Billy Mays' son? | ||
| Yeah, I went to school with him. | ||
| I'm sorry, I said all that stuff. | ||
| What's his son's name? | ||
|
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Billy Mays. | |
| I was just joking around. | ||
| Is it Billy Mays Jr.? | ||
| Don't shout him out. | ||
| He's the third. | ||
|
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Oh, the third. | |
| He's probably mad. | ||
| We're talking about his dad. | ||
| He's... | ||
| I'm sure Billy Mays was a good guy, but didn't he? | ||
| He's your friend. | ||
| That's why he couldn't respond. | ||
| Anyway, dude was partying. | ||
| The ShamWow guy was the guy who got bit. | ||
| It's hard to get track of. | ||
| I actually think he bit someone. | ||
|
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What? | |
| He bit someone? | ||
| Like Marv Albert? | ||
| Did Marv Albert bite someone? | ||
| Yeah, did he bite the lady? | ||
| I thought she bit him too. | ||
|
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I don't know. | |
| I get my stories all confused when it comes to dudes biting. | ||
| Too many vaccines. | ||
| That's your problem. | ||
| Yes, it is, man. | ||
| They saved me from the measles, but they made me dumber. | ||
| What happened? | ||
| Oh, there it is. | ||
| Oh, God. | ||
| Oh, he bit her? | ||
| It's happened a few times, I think. | ||
| ShamWow Pitchman Brutal Beatdown. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| So they just went to war. | ||
| Oh, my God. | ||
| He did that to her eyes? | ||
| Is that real? | ||
| I don't know. | ||
| That might not be real. | ||
| That looks like makeup, though. | ||
| That looks crazy. | ||
| That's like smokey eyes. | ||
| Yeah, no. | ||
| It didn't look like makeup to me. | ||
| It was so symmetrical. | ||
| It looks like black eyes. | ||
| That's what happens when you get smashed in the nose. | ||
| But that's the look. | ||
| With the makeup, you know? | ||
| She had his tongue, and so he started punching her until she released his tongue. | ||
| Oh, my God. | ||
| In her hand or in her mouth? | ||
| In his tongue, and he's punching her in the face? | ||
| Oh, my God. | ||
| People are crazy. | ||
| That's meth, right? | ||
| Have you had a guess? | ||
| What's involved there? | ||
| No, it's something crazier than meth. | ||
| Really? | ||
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Like PCP? Or like bath salts. | |
| Oh, remember that? | ||
| If you're grabbing someone's tongue, it's bath salts. | ||
| I think bath salts were meth, though. | ||
| No. | ||
| Yeah, I think it was. | ||
| I think what it was was meth, I think they altered a molecule so that it doesn't fall into the protected Schedule I drug. | ||
| See, you can do things like that. | ||
| That's why DMT was illegal, but 5-methoxy DMT wasn't, which is actually stronger. | ||
| They missed that one. | ||
| Here it goes. | ||
| What's that drug the last 10 minutes? | ||
| Oh, what is this? | ||
| Bath salts. | ||
| Well, first of all, here's another thing. | ||
| I think there's a bunch of different kinds of bath salts. | ||
| For sure. | ||
| Yeah, for sure. | ||
| You got the lavender. | ||
| You got the potpourri. | ||
| You got the lemon. | ||
| But I mean, nobody, I don't think anybody has a patent. | ||
| You can't call that bath salts. | ||
| Wait, come on. | ||
| I barely got high on this. | ||
| It's bath salts because of the name, Bathione? | ||
| No, no, no. | ||
| The bath salts is because they were selling it in stores as bath salts, not for human consumption. | ||
| No, but you just pulled it up. | ||
| It looked like the chemical was Bathione. | ||
|
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No, cathinone. | |
| Oh, cathinone. | ||
| I misread it, okay. | ||
| But what I'm saying is they labeled it bath salts so they could sell it, but everybody knew it was meth. | ||
| They're like, hey man, there's bath salts over there, you should try smoking that. | ||
| But isn't that how salvia was around for a long time? | ||
| Salvia was around for the same reason 5-methoxy-DMT was around. | ||
| They missed it in the sweeping Schedule I drug act of 1970. Okay. | ||
| They missed that one. | ||
| It was two of the most potent ones they missed. | ||
| Salvia divinorum and 5-methoxy-DMT. And that's why they're always changing it, because if it's slightly different, then you could say something. | ||
| Exactly. | ||
| So see if you find that. | ||
| Like, bath salts is meth. | ||
| Because someone, there was a guy, there was a guy who got a, who's a homeless guy there. | ||
| I think they shot him. | ||
| He was biting someone's face off. | ||
| In Florida. | ||
| Yeah, you remember that? | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| And they said that he was on bath salts. | ||
| That's the first time I heard of it. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| And I think someone said that it was meth. | ||
| Because, like, that cat stuff? | ||
| Like you were saying, it's both. | ||
| It's just a bunch of different things. | ||
| They can call it whatever they want. | ||
| There's probably some that are made with methadrone. | ||
| So it is a potpourri. | ||
| How appropriate. | ||
| You could basically sell whatever you want if you're selling as not for human consumption. | ||
| And also, they probably put smell into it so they can say, no, this is bad salt. | ||
| This is really bad salt. | ||
| You know, they probably threw some fucking... | ||
| They had like a little cat and mouse game going on for a while where they would have... | ||
| The same thing was going on with that K2 spice stuff. | ||
| Remember, it was getting sold as illegal weed because it had synthetic... | ||
| THC, they were spraying all over it and whatnot. | ||
| That stuff's supposed to be terrible for you, right? | ||
| Oh, it's awful, yeah. | ||
| Way worse for you than actual... | ||
| But they would outlaw one little chemical, and then those guys would figure out, okay, tweak it and make it TH379. Okay, and now next week is 380, and they just would keep doing it every single week, literally. | ||
| And by the way, that's the same shit that they did with steroids. | ||
| With, like, the Clear, when Barry Bonds and all those guys, that Ballco scandal, that's what all that stuff was about. | ||
| Oh, they just change the, like, the points after drugs. | ||
| Lose some stuff around a little, and then it doesn't show up in the test, because it's not the thing you're looking for. | ||
| The way it's been explained to me is a lot of tests for things are very specific. | ||
| So when they're testing for something, and it's just a little bit off, it's like, you test negative for it, but it has a similar result or approximate result in a different way. | ||
| Huh. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| I will say, though, with the bath salts, people were breaking into any place that had them. | ||
| Hmm. | ||
| Gas stations, any store that had bath salts, if they think they had them, your windows are being broken, your doors are being broken, you're not going to have that stuff tomorrow. | ||
| Yeah, those are meth heads. | ||
| That's meth head activity. | ||
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Jesus Christ. | |
| Did you ever know anybody that was a meth head? | ||
| No. | ||
| Yeah, I haven't known a few people. | ||
| It's weird to see. | ||
| Because it's so visual, the results. | ||
| Well, not always. | ||
| That's what's interesting. | ||
| What you're seeing when you see people that are completely fucked up and picking the skin off their face and they weigh five pounds and they're falling apart, that is worst case scenario. | ||
| There's some people that I would call functional meth heads. | ||
| And what these people are people that are on amphetamines every day, or almost every day. | ||
| They're constantly on amphetamines, and some of them get prescribed by doctors. | ||
| They get really irrational. | ||
| They start thinking that everyone's out to get them. | ||
| They get real mean and nasty towards other people, very defensive. | ||
| They're always attacking and thinking they're persecuted, thinking that someone's attacking them. | ||
| It's very strange. | ||
| And these people could function like this for years. | ||
| Years and years. | ||
| And you get the same with Adderall addicts. | ||
| Yeah, yeah. | ||
| But that's just speed, isn't it? | ||
| Same thing. | ||
| It's very similar to meth. | ||
| It's amphetamines. | ||
| Right. | ||
| It's just a different release. | ||
| Like, what Adderall is... | ||
| Duncan Trussell has a great joke. | ||
| He's like as if it was a scientist, took cocaine and went, I can fix this. | ||
| And it just makes people talkative and aggressive and insulting and mean. | ||
| And it highlights some of the worst aspects of people. | ||
| The bitchy, pettiness. | ||
| I love that stuff. | ||
| That's my bread and butter. | ||
| But it's not the way you do it. | ||
| You do it with a smile. | ||
| Well, thank you. | ||
| That's true. | ||
| Snarky. | ||
| People need to be having more fun. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| But your positions are always, even if I don't agree with them, they're rational. | ||
| I see your thought process. | ||
| I see where you're going. | ||
| Well, thank you. | ||
| That's a huge compliment. | ||
| That's not a meth head. | ||
| Well, yeah. | ||
| Meth head is like, what are you saying? | ||
| The Jews are doing what? | ||
| What's happening with the Nazis or what? | ||
| The big one I get, I interviewed a Nazi for the book and I said to him, I go, look, what am I supposed to do when your people come at me and say, the only reason you care about North Korea and its concentration camps is because they're anti-Israel? | ||
| And he goes, what do you want me to tell you? | ||
| There's idiots in every group. | ||
| And I'm like, alright! | ||
| Fair answer. | ||
| Because they're anti-Israel. | ||
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Jesus Christ. | |
| The idea that Israel has to do with North Korea is just absolutely amazing. | ||
| But I get that online. | ||
| People connect to everything. | ||
| People that are really into nutty conspiracies, there's a network of connections that they follow. | ||
| And then if you're not talking about it, what they think is the most important issue, you're clearly being dishonest because it's the most important issue. | ||
| It must be a shill. | ||
|
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Michael Myers. | |
| Yes. | ||
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Massad. | |
| Spend all that time over there in Korea. | ||
| Interesting. | ||
| I did bring up Israel Woods. | ||
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How's that? | |
| For American to be over there in North Korea. | ||
| Hey, I wanted to talk to you about this. | ||
| I don't know if you know anything about it. | ||
| What? | ||
| Essentially, Google has pulled the plug on Huawei today. | ||
| Meaning they're no longer allowing Android updates on Huawei phones, and they're not allowing the Google app to work on Huawei phones, or excuse me, the Gmail app to work on Huawei phones. | ||
| If you had an old Huawei phone with the Gmail app, you're fine. | ||
| But going forward, no Huawei phones will be allowed to have Gmail anymore. | ||
| What's the reasoning? | ||
| It's a very good question. | ||
| Marcus Brownlee, who Marcus has been on the show before, and he's probably one of my favorite, if not my favorite, tech reviewer on YouTube. | ||
| He had a point about it. | ||
| He put it up on his Twitter, and then I followed the feed. | ||
| He's like, this is very important. | ||
| I followed the feed. | ||
| There's tech people that are saying there is no reason for this. | ||
| There's no evidence. | ||
| They're not pointing to anything. | ||
| But then when I talk to people that are experts in foreign policy and they explain the way China works and China's relationship between the government and industry, how they're inexorably connected and every business works for the government, they were saying, no, there's a reason why they're doing this. | ||
| These guys are playing this real long game and to aid them in any way is extraordinarily bad for our country. | ||
| Yeah, I had Marion Smith from the Museum of Communism on my show. | ||
| And since my focus in North Korea, I wasn't that much focused on China. | ||
| And we all think in the West that China's gotten so much better than it was, which is true. | ||
| But he goes, it's still really, really, really bad. | ||
| And one of the big, I think, fair criticisms of the corporate press is how much they're focused on Putin and Russia. | ||
| And it's like, you're calling him a dictator. | ||
| The shit they're pulling in China... | ||
| Is an order of magnitude worse. | ||
| And something that they're doing now, they stole from North Korea. | ||
| North Korea has something called Songbun. | ||
| And everyone... | ||
| Songbun? | ||
| S-O-N-G-B-U-N. Songbun. | ||
| Everyone in North Korea got interviewed, and there were several iterations of this, and you got a score based on your family. | ||
| So if your family was born in South Korea, or a priest or a landowner, that's a low score. | ||
| If your grandfather fought with the great leader Kim Il-sung, that's a high score. | ||
| It's divided into favored class, wavering, and hostile. | ||
| And there's like 51 subcategories. | ||
| And this determines everything about your life, where you live, where you go to college. | ||
| And China's now starting to do this. | ||
| They're trying to implement a social credit system based on your loyalty to the government, which will allow things like leaving the country and all sorts of other opportunities. | ||
| And that's scary, scary stuff. | ||
| And that's what needs to be, I think, covered much more in the West. | ||
| The problem with that is it becomes like a game and people are going to want to have a really high score. | ||
| Of course. | ||
| People are so weird when it comes to scores in games. | ||
| But you have to have a high score or else you're not getting food or a job. | ||
| Right, right, right. | ||
| But it's also like people covet it. | ||
| Oh, but they don't tell you your score. | ||
| Oh, Jesus. | ||
| You have to intimate it. | ||
| Oh, yeah. | ||
| That's even scarier. | ||
| Oh, yeah, yeah. | ||
| So you got to fly right and just… So you're always nervous. | ||
| That's what they want. | ||
| You're always nervous. | ||
| It's not transparency. | ||
| Self-censoring as well. | ||
| Yes. | ||
| Right? | ||
| It forces a system of self-censoring like Twitter. | ||
| Yes. | ||
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Oh. | |
| Are you saying that Twitter is like China? | ||
| Did you say that? | ||
| Twitter is like communism? | ||
| In those words, yes. | ||
| No, we got our ways to go for communism. | ||
| Some of the techniques they use are very disturbingly totalitarian. | ||
| Yes, disturbingly so. | ||
| And the other thing is, yes, they are a private company. | ||
| It's funny how the left is like, as soon as you criticize Twitter, they're a private company, they can do what they want, but any other private company, whatever. | ||
| A private company can be criticized. | ||
| And we're perfectly appropriate in a free market to say, what you're doing is screwed up, and give us answers, or we're going to use another company. | ||
| I think when I talked to Jack about this, one of the things that he was saying is that they're considering an open Twitter. | ||
| Like, they're going to have Twitter where it's like a safe neighborhood, and Twitter where it's like the Wild West. | ||
| Okay. | ||
| And I said, please do that. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| I said, please do that. | ||
| I mean, there's ways to block people. | ||
| There's ways to avoid people. | ||
| I block people liberally. | ||
| You know what's weird, though? | ||
| Block lists. | ||
| When you haven't even had an interaction with someone. | ||
| It's like a blacklist. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| And you go to their page and they're blocked. | ||
| You're just blocked. | ||
| Just blocked for no reason. | ||
| People have block lists for anyone who follows President Trump. | ||
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Yes. | |
| And it's like, if I'm a journalist, I sure as hell better be following the fucking president to know what he's saying. | ||
| First of all, he says hilarious shit. | ||
| Yes. | ||
| On the reg. | ||
| Look, he does. | ||
| What's your favorite Trump tweet? | ||
| Rocketman, when he was calling... | ||
| My favorite one, hold on. | ||
| Kim Jong-un, Rocketman. | ||
| What's the one about the haters and the losers? | ||
| Yes, that's a great one, but he did that before he was president. | ||
| Yeah, but it's still my favorite Trump tweet by far. | ||
| Oh yeah, every time I speak of the haters and losers, I do so with great love and affection. | ||
| They cannot help the fact that they were born fucked up. | ||
| I would like if he said that now as president. | ||
| I know. | ||
| That's one thing he's really done a great job as president, not swearing. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| It's amazing. | ||
| Well, did you see what CNN did to him? | ||
| During the campaign, he said, boy, that's really up. | ||
| So he didn't say it. | ||
| They played the clip and they bleeped him. | ||
| Yes, we talked about this before. | ||
| Yeah, it's very dishonest. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| They bleeped it to make it look like he said something that he didn't. | ||
| But he's cursing a blue streak in the White House anyway. | ||
| We all know this. | ||
| But it's funny. | ||
| I like it. | ||
| I think that part is funny. | ||
| Like, I'm not happy with a lot of what's going on. | ||
| But I'm very happy that he's this ridiculous person. | ||
| Because it's funny. | ||
| And I think it's very healthy... | ||
| For us to have less reverence for the president. | ||
| Because when a president's on a pedestal, he's in a position to send our sons and daughters to die. | ||
| Whereas if you look at him as a clown, you're going to be much less, more skeptical of, is this man going to war for the right reasons? | ||
| Is he doing these things for the right reasons? | ||
| And I think that's very, and that's what the founding fathers wanted too. | ||
| They didn't want the president to be looked at as a god. | ||
| Yeah, that's an interesting point. | ||
| I think you're correct, and I think this idea that it's behavior unfitting for a president, that's what we're thinking, that a president is a special person, a special job, and they'll act accordingly like a gentleman, and they're human beings. | ||
| It's a stupid job. | ||
| It's a ridiculous job for anyone. | ||
| And you saw Biden went after Trump and says, oh, being presidential is always... | ||
| Yeah, by definition, he's always being presidential, because he's the fucking president, and you're not. | ||
| Well, Biden's a weird guy, man. | ||
| Do you see all those videos of him sniffing all his kids? | ||
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Ugh... | |
| What is that about? | ||
| I mean, it could just be a sweet old grandpa. | ||
| Some sweet old grandpas don't want to fuck kids. | ||
| They do do that. | ||
| The thing is, it would, in a sense, make more sense to people if he was just, like, handsy. | ||
| Right? | ||
| It's like, okay, you're an old pervert. | ||
| This is like, I don't even know where to put this. | ||
| Right, where do you put sniffing? | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| It's a fucking weird thing. | ||
| He's just a weird guy. | ||
| Did you know about the plagiarism from back when he was running for president? | ||
| So he ran three times. | ||
| I think he's fucked in the primary because his track record is pathetic. | ||
| So the first time he ran was in 88 cycle, right? | ||
| He announces in July he has to fold by September because of this plagiarism scandal, right? | ||
| He runs again in 08, comes in like, what, sixth in Iowa, has to pull. | ||
| So in terms of his history of running for presidency, it's been very, very poor. | ||
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Yeah. | |
| He's a good backup, man. | ||
| Right, right. | ||
| He's a steady, reliable result, yeah. | ||
| You should stay the fuck out. | ||
| They're going to eat him alive. | ||
| It's ugly. | ||
| It's going to be ugly. | ||
| You're going to hate it, bro, and you're not going to win. | ||
| I don't think he's going to win. | ||
| But he's the frontrunner, and you look at the Democratic polls in terms of the Democrats. | ||
| You know who was the frontrunner at this point in 2003? | ||
| Who? | ||
| Joe Lieberman. | ||
| Because he was the vice president of Canada from Gore. | ||
| Everyone knew his name. | ||
| What happened with that guy? | ||
| He lost. | ||
| But where'd he go? | ||
| He went right, didn't he? | ||
| He lost the primary in his state of Connecticut. | ||
| Then he ran as an independent Democrat, won again, re-elected. | ||
| He killed universal health care because they needed 60 votes. | ||
| And he's like, fuck you, we're not doing it. | ||
| So they had to have this Obamacare market system. | ||
| It was because of him. | ||
| And now everyone hates him. | ||
| Didn't he turn into a Republican, though? | ||
| No, no. | ||
| But he endorsed... | ||
| He became a Nazi. | ||
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Joe Lieberman and Ben Shapiro are the new Nazis. | |
| The new Nazis. | ||
| The new right. | ||
| Yeah, the fact that he gets called one. | ||
| That's the funniest shit ever. | ||
| While he's wearing a yarmulke, people are calling him a Nazi. | ||
| You'd never suspect it. | ||
| Yeah, it's sneaky. | ||
| We're sneaky. | ||
| I just think if we had to design a system from scratch... | ||
| There's no way we'd have one person at the top of the pyramid. | ||
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Right. | |
| It just doesn't make any sense. | ||
| And does it need to be a pyramid? | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| It doesn't. | ||
| It could be a series of silos. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| There's no reason. | ||
| I mean, I guess the good thing would be that person can veto stuff and get things done. | ||
| Sure. | ||
| So if there is some sort of a... | ||
| If he's a reasonable person and he really works well with others and doesn't abuse that power... | ||
| One thing he has done, though, is, I mean, it's going to sound ridiculous, but when he has Kim Kardashian bring in cases of people that were unjustly prosecuted or unjustly imprisoned, and he releases them, I like that. | ||
| I like that she does it, and I like that he does it. | ||
| It takes a lot for me to get angry. | ||
| But when people were clowning them, and I'm like, Kim Kardashian, you can say a lot of shit about her, she saved people's lives. | ||
| She's helping people in a tremendous way. | ||
| You're going to tell those families that it's Kim Kardashian? | ||
| Fuck you. | ||
| She's helped 17 people be released from prison in the last three months. | ||
| And I think it's also very disturbing how glib a lot of people are about prison. | ||
| And it's a really – I don't know what it's like and I don't want to know what it's like. | ||
| It's no joke. | ||
| But it is a punchline. | ||
| And it's like you're laughing about people being traumatized for life and possibly having no possibility of returning to society. | ||
| People used to be able to laugh about stuff like that because it would be like laughing at it at work. | ||
| You know, like you go to work and you're like, hey, OJ's in the can. | ||
| He's going to take it in the can. | ||
| You would go to work and you'd say something stupid like that and it wouldn't go anywhere. | ||
| But when you say something like that on Twitter or Facebook, like, oh, boy. | ||
| Remember, I mean, people find out. | ||
| You say the inappropriate thing. | ||
| Remember that with Justine Sacco? | ||
| Oh, of course. | ||
| I was flying here for this show and someone tweeted at me, hashtag has malice landed yet? | ||
| Because that was the hashtag for her. | ||
| Oh, yeah. | ||
| Because she tweeted out a joke. | ||
| She gets on a flight. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| And it blew up while she was on the flight. | ||
| Right. | ||
| And when she lands, her life is upside down, backwards, inside out. | ||
| For a dumb joke. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| That dumb joke could have been something that she would just say. | ||
| And then the next day, you're like... | ||
| What the fuck is wrong with me? | ||
| I was on Ambien and alcohol and trying to be funny. | ||
| And that is something that the evangelical left is very scary about. | ||
| If you take a joke that's inappropriate in some sense, and they're the ones judging it's inappropriate, your life should be ruined. | ||
| That is crazy and totalitarian. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| It's also... | ||
| It smacks of... | ||
| Deep insecurity and fear that you experience personally, and you want to turn it on other people. | ||
| The same feeling that people have when they're bullies. | ||
| The reason why someone's a bully is almost always because they're not confident of their own abilities, so they want to somehow or another, by being cruel to someone else, they exercise this power on someone else, and it's somehow or another Relieves them of a certain portion of this inadequacy that they feel, the stress they feel. | ||
| It's one of the reasons why a lot of people are saying that bullies, contrary to what would be a logical thing, you should teach them how to fight. | ||
| They wouldn't want to do this. | ||
| The reason why they're doing this to people is because they're insecure. | ||
| That's the same thing, I think, when you see these Twitter mobs and people attacking people. | ||
| The thing they fear most is that they're going to be attacked themselves. | ||
| They fear social ostracization. | ||
| They fear that. | ||
| They fear being standing up on their own two feet and being an individual. | ||
| And I have a whole chapter on dark humor in this book. | ||
| And I'm shocked that they let me publish it because Bonnie McFarlane, great comedian, I love Bonnie. | ||
| She was roasting Jim Norton and she says to him, your show is so unlistenable, I'd rather hear my daughter drowning. | ||
| And it's like, are you going to – let's break this down. | ||
| Are you going to tell her as a comedian or as a mom that that's not appropriate? | ||
| Oh, she's so funny. | ||
| They only made me cut one joke. | ||
| I have everything else in there. | ||
| And the point I make is something might not be funny for you if you're an assault victim. | ||
| Right? | ||
| You don't want to kind of... | ||
| That's fine. | ||
| But it's not... | ||
| And if something's not for you, it doesn't mean it's not for anyone. | ||
| What is The New Right? | ||
| This is the title of your book. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| A Journey to the Fringe of American Politics. | ||
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Yeah. | |
| What inspired you to do this? | ||
| So... | ||
| The circles I was swimming in started going into developing into the scene as it was happening that culminated in like the Trump presidency in Charlottesville. | ||
| So I was there as this was happening. | ||
| What circles are we discussing? | ||
| This kind of the anarchist circles, what they call race realism, the racist, you know, the alt-right. | ||
| And seeing a lot of it happening, this being discussed in the press and people not knowing what they're talking about, I'm like, alright, someone's got to write this book who's been there and understands it. | ||
| How do you understand it? | ||
| What about it? | ||
| The race realists? | ||
| One of the points I make is, this is not one scene where everyone's in agreement. | ||
| These people often completely hate each other and disagree. | ||
| The only thing that unites them is their opposition to progressivism. | ||
| And this is you looking at this as a journalist. | ||
| Sure, yeah. | ||
| But the way you're saying it is like you're a part of these groups. | ||
| Well, I'm like, all right, I went to all the meetings. | ||
| I go to Charlottesville. | ||
| I interviewed all the types. | ||
| And it's what their points of view are. | ||
| And if you're going to engage with this kind of thinking, which is somewhat prevalent on the fringes, you have to at least understand where they're coming from. | ||
| And being dismissive gives a power. | ||
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I understand that. | |
| For sure, but what I want to say is because I don't want people to misconstrue you. | ||
| So someone could listen to this and inadvertently misconstrue or purposely misconstrue and think that you're a part of these groups. | ||
| Oh, no, no. | ||
| So it's very clear in this book who I agree with and who I don't. | ||
| In the book. | ||
| Oh, absolutely. | ||
| Yeah, in the book, but... | ||
| The way we're discussing it in this conversation, you're saying the circles that you run in. | ||
| Yeah, because a lot of the people who I was friends with fell down this rabbit hole. | ||
| They fell down the rabbit hole of racism? | ||
| Nazism, racism, yes. | ||
| Who that you were friends with fell down? | ||
| I'm not naming. | ||
| You don't want to say anything. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| Yeah, and it was very disturbing. | ||
| But you knew them in real life? | ||
| Correct. | ||
| Wow. | ||
| And it was very disturbing to watch as they start throwing out terms like HBD, NRX. What is that? | ||
| Human biodiversity. | ||
| That's their code word for different races, right? | ||
| Human biodiversity is the code word for different races? | ||
| Yes. | ||
| And what's the other one? | ||
| HBX? And NRX. NRX? Neoreaction. | ||
| So this is basically, America is this decadent, why my republic, and we need to return to, like, hardcore... | ||
| Nero reaction? | ||
| Neo. | ||
| Neo, okay. | ||
| Neo reaction. | ||
| Neo reaction. | ||
| That was the hashtag before it was the alt-right. | ||
| It's not the same, but they're similar enough. | ||
| So, and a lot of these guys are really cerebral. | ||
| You know, they could tell you about the history of England, they could tell you about, you know, all the science and stuff. | ||
| So what went wrong? | ||
| With whom? | ||
| With them. | ||
| I don't know what went wrong. | ||
| I think one of the things that goes wrong is when no one's talking to you and you're just talking to each other, you're going to start doubling down because there's no one hitting the brakes. | ||
| You know what else happens? | ||
| What? | ||
| You say controversial things, people attack you, and then some people don't attack you. | ||
| They support you. | ||
| And then you gravitate towards those people that support you. | ||
| Right, and then you get that endorphin rush. | ||
| You get the light, yes. | ||
| You start seeing that with people, and they start embracing really weird fringe ideas. | ||
| They become a part of these fringe groups, and they get praised by these fringe groups, and then they elevate to virtue signal for that fringe group. | ||
| And so you could be either an average person in the mass, or you could be a leader in the fringe. | ||
| So it's big fish in a small pond. | ||
| And you could be one of those who knows. | ||
| One of those who knows. | ||
| People know what the fuck is going on. | ||
| You're not going to get me with this scam. | ||
| So my line is, you take one red pill, but not the whole bottle. | ||
| You take the Adderall, bro. | ||
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That's what you take. | |
| Take that fucking Adderall. | ||
| No one's going to... | ||
| I know what's happening. | ||
| You start stashing weapons in your backyard. | ||
| You start prepping. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| So it's an interesting... | ||
| And there's also a long history of this stuff. | ||
| So how did you know those guys in real life? | ||
| Did you know them from work? | ||
| I knew them from anarchist circles. | ||
| So this anarchy thing, how serious are you about that? | ||
| 100% serious. | ||
| 100% serious. | ||
| So anarchists think there should be no cops? | ||
| No, anarchists don't think there should be government cops. | ||
| There should be private security. | ||
| Oh, private security. | ||
| What if you're poor? | ||
| Well, same thing. | ||
| No one wants to have a scenario. | ||
| Like, if you go to a bar, you're not paying for the doorman. | ||
| Or if you're going to a hotel, you're not paying for the security. | ||
| The point is, whoever has an environment wants it to be as safe as possible. | ||
| Okay, stop right there. | ||
| Okay. | ||
| Because if you're going to a bar, if you're buying a drink, the bar is taking some of the money from that drink to pay for that security. | ||
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Correct. | |
| It's the same thing as you paying taxes. | ||
| It's not the same thing as you paying taxes. | ||
| Well, let's just look at it this way. | ||
| It's just money into a pool, right? | ||
| It's not just money- Okay, but hold, hold, please. | ||
| If you throw the money into a pool, but you didn't even let me explain. | ||
| If you throw the money into the pool, and obviously taxes get taken from you, it's different in that regard. | ||
| But if you have a certain amount of money, a certain amount of money is going to go to protecting the people. | ||
| And this is the idea of police force, and this is the idea of a bouncer. | ||
| Or at least a bouncer is more likely acting in the interest of the club, and trying to keep out bad people, and trying to keep people from getting sued. | ||
| But the money for the drinks goes to that. | ||
| A percentage of it goes to that. | ||
| Much like your tax money, some of it goes to the cops, right? | ||
| Correct. | ||
| But the big difference is one is voluntary and one is forceful and one is a monopoly and one isn't. | ||
| So if you had a free system, you would have more security because the streets would have someone doing security and the bar. | ||
| And the store, and they would be complimentary to each other as opposed to you only have to dial 911. Look how many dating sites there are, right? | ||
| Wouldn't it be great if instead of one number, you had dozens of places that are going to offer you security? | ||
| So like private businesses that work like Uber, you give them a call when you're getting raped? | ||
| Like you press a button? | ||
| Sure. | ||
| One with a dude with his pants down, you press a button, and then someone shows up? | ||
| We have that now. | ||
| What do we have now? | ||
| I mean, if you go to an apartment building or a business building, there is going to be security there already. | ||
| You're not going to call the cop. | ||
| You're going to call the downstairs. | ||
| Most of those people are just book readers. | ||
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Sure. | |
| They're sitting there playing with their phone. | ||
| They used to be book readers. | ||
| Now they're phone players. | ||
| Well, I'd rather they be reading books than shooting dogs. | ||
| So that's where we are. | ||
| Right. | ||
| I see what you're saying. | ||
| That's the grossest shit ever when you see SWAT teams show up and shoot people's dogs. | ||
| And that's the problem with having a monopoly is there's no consequences. | ||
| Yes. | ||
| So there's all these cases where dogs get shot, the flash grenade in the baby's crib. | ||
| These people aren't fighting. | ||
| Like Eric Garner. | ||
| The only person who got in trouble for Eric Garner dying is the guy who filmed it. | ||
| I mean, if you are a cook... | ||
| And you are serving food and you undercook chicken. | ||
| It's a mistake, honest mistake. | ||
| And someone gets sick. | ||
| That shouldn't be your job. | ||
| But if you're a police officer often, and I'm going to get a lot of heat for this and that's fine. | ||
| If something bad happens as a consequence of your actions, there have to be consequences that maybe this isn't the right job for you. | ||
| Well, oftentimes there is if there's an inappropriate shooting or something along those lines. | ||
| But I think you're right. | ||
| And I mean, I've experienced abusive cops. | ||
| I think we all have. | ||
| And I also think that it's very, very, very difficult to be that guy every day and not become abusive and not become worn out by it, not become extremely stressed out. | ||
| I'm a big supporter of police. | ||
| I just don't think that it's a job for everybody. | ||
| I think being a cop is like a lot of other jobs, especially that one. | ||
| That's super fucking difficult. | ||
| The idea that you just hire people off the street and run them through some tests and they're going to make great cops. | ||
| I agree. | ||
| It's crazy. | ||
| I agree. | ||
| And what happens is when you're a monopoly, you don't have to be efficient or effective. | ||
| I think they should hire a former military. | ||
| That's what I think. | ||
| Have a police state. | ||
| No, hire people that have discipline. | ||
| Hire people that have gone through some experience in actual combat, who know how to handle pressure better, and then make it a very, very valuable job and make it a very strict codes of conduct and behavior and action. | ||
| I think another problem that police have in their defense is when you have public streets. | ||
| People have certain rights, and they can act everywhere. | ||
| Like here in LA, you have all these people with these tents. | ||
| And my understanding is the government said you can't clear out those tents. | ||
| That is hilarious, isn't it? | ||
| And now the cops can't do anything. | ||
| So they are hamstrung from being able to do their jobs, whereas if this was private, this would not be happening. | ||
| Well, if you go under underpasses in LA, folks, I don't know where you live, but there's a fucking campground. | ||
| Literally, they have tents. | ||
| Yeah, everywhere. | ||
| I didn't know Skid Row was an actual place. | ||
| Oh, you didn't know? | ||
| I went there last time I was here, and the whole block is covered in tents. | ||
| Oh, it was unbelievable. | ||
| People who don't know, I love to take them to Skid Row. | ||
| It's just amazing. | ||
| Downtown LA is insane. | ||
| Like, you go there and you're like, what is this? | ||
| Well, what this is is failure. | ||
| This is failure. | ||
| I mean, cultural failure. | ||
| Failure to address these members of our community. | ||
| Failure to provide health care. | ||
| Failure to raise children correctly. | ||
| Failure to keep people from drugs. | ||
| Failure to provide good systems to get them off of drugs. | ||
| It started in New York, too. | ||
| De Blasio, who's a real charmer, that one. | ||
| Like, now, you go on every subway train, there's a homeless person with all their bags. | ||
| And there's got to be better alternatives than that, even for them. | ||
| Well, there's somewhat... | ||
| Oh, Donald Trump Jr. posted videos all over the news the other day when he was talking about De Blasio. | ||
| And he's like, I'm driving here. | ||
| This is out my window. | ||
| I'm filming. | ||
| Look at all these tents. | ||
| Look at all this homeless shit. | ||
| He started following me on Twitter, and now I live in fear of saying the wrong thing. | ||
| Why? | ||
| I don't know. | ||
| It's just like, holy shit. | ||
| Because North Korea is my biggest issue, by far. | ||
| Right? | ||
| By far. | ||
| But what are you in fear of? | ||
| Getting unfollowed. | ||
| By Donald Trump Jr.? | ||
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Yeah. | |
| He ain't gonna unfollow you. | ||
| Well, he better not. | ||
| No. | ||
| I have friends that are friends with him. | ||
| Okay. | ||
| Like, good friends. | ||
| Like, my good friends, and they're good friends with him. | ||
| Okay, I'll slide into his... | ||
| They like him. | ||
| They say he's a good guy. | ||
| I'll slide into his DMs. | ||
| Do it. | ||
| He's just in a weird position, man. | ||
| If he wasn't the president's son, he wouldn't be under so much scrutiny. | ||
| He'd be like, oh, he's a great guy. | ||
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Okay. | |
| It's like everybody's just like, ah, you're the president's son. | ||
| But it's weird for me, given that that was my beat, that I'm like one step away from being able to influence policy on that issue, which is the most important thing to me. | ||
| Well, I get it, yeah. | ||
| What would you tell him about North Korea? | ||
| I mean, I wouldn't even know where to start. | ||
| I think I'd have a lot of information about helping with the psychology. | ||
| How to kind of influence them, how to basically manipulate them. | ||
| Also how evil they truly, really and truly are. | ||
| And always to keep that in mind. | ||
| So it's a dance. | ||
| It's a very delicate dance with them. | ||
| Do you think he's going to get in trouble with Russia? | ||
| Who? | ||
| Which one? | ||
| Donald Trump Jr. No. | ||
| You think he will? | ||
| I don't know. | ||
| I don't think so. | ||
| You don't think so? | ||
| No. | ||
| You don't think anybody's – you think it's over? | ||
| I don't think it's over. | ||
| It's not – I don't think it's over because people – after three years of reporting, now you can say with a straight face, what? | ||
| There were three years of reporting over nothing? | ||
| If there's smoke, there's fire, blah, blah, blah. | ||
| So I haven't been following it that closely. | ||
| I saw Justin Amash just tweeted out that – he had this whole tweet storm that he thinks Trump should be impeached based on – Who is that? | ||
| Justin Amash is a congressman from Michigan. | ||
| He's one of like three libertarians. | ||
| And he turned. | ||
| He's like, I actually read the report, which most people have not in Washington. | ||
| It's 800 pages, right? | ||
| Is it? | ||
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Yeah. | |
| And he's like, I think there's stuff in here that's impeachable. | ||
| This was a big deal. | ||
| And then all the left were like, even Republicans like Justin Amash is like, no, no, it's just him. | ||
| There's no like. | ||
| It's him. | ||
| It's literally just him. | ||
| Like him. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| There's only two like him. | ||
| The people that like him. | ||
| It's Thomas Massey and Mike Lee. | ||
| That's the three of them. | ||
| And Rand Paul, four. | ||
| Rand Paul's an interesting cat. | ||
| I like him. | ||
| Well, I want to talk to his neighbor that fucked him up. | ||
| What's that about? | ||
| That's such a bitch move, doesn't it? | ||
| Such a bitch move. | ||
| That is such a bitch move. | ||
| Tackled him when he wasn't even looking. | ||
| I know. | ||
| Yeah, I think he had earphones on, too. | ||
| I'm not sitting here like some badass, but come on, what the fuck are you doing? | ||
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Yeah. | |
| Yeah. | ||
| How about that guy that kicked Arnold Schwarzenegger yesterday? | ||
| Oh yeah, what was that about? | ||
| He kicked, this kid dropped, kicked Arnold Schwarzenegger. | ||
| I think he was crazy. | ||
| South African. | ||
| Because he was saying, he was screaming out, help me, I need a Lamborghini, while they were arresting him. | ||
| Bath salts. | ||
| It was the bath salts. | ||
| Nah, it's world star hip hop. | ||
| He made it. | ||
| He's on. | ||
| Look. | ||
| I mean, if that's what he wants, look. | ||
| What really happened to Arnold? | ||
| Nothing. | ||
| What's really going to happen to that kid? | ||
| Probably go to jail for a couple... | ||
| Actually, I don't know. | ||
| You don't know. | ||
| South Africa. | ||
| Look at Otto Wambier in North Korea. | ||
| He steals a sign and then he's dead. | ||
| We don't know what the law is like in South Africa. | ||
| I think... | ||
| It's not as bad as North Korea. | ||
| It's not as bad as North Korea. | ||
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Come on. | |
| His security guard fucked him up pretty well. | ||
| Did they? | ||
| I mean, it looked like it. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| Listen, if you're dropkicking people out of nowhere, that's a problem. | ||
| When I was talking to Eddie Izzard, Eddie ran a bunch of marathons in South Africa. | ||
| It was to... | ||
| It was the designation. | ||
| It was the same number as the amount of years that Nelson Mandel was in prison. | ||
| So it was 27. So he ran 27 marathons. | ||
| But there was areas where they're like, listen, man, you ain't running through here. | ||
| Like, this is this area you want to go to. | ||
| We're going to take you. | ||
| We're going to put you in a car. | ||
| We're going to drive you way the fuck past here. | ||
| And then you keep running. | ||
| But you're not running through here. | ||
| You'll get killed. | ||
| You'll get robbed. | ||
| You'll get carjacked. | ||
| We're all going to get shot. | ||
| You're not going through here. | ||
| And that's, you know, there's parts of the world that are like that. | ||
| And Arnold Schwarzenegger, when he visited South Africa, what's the worst? | ||
| He got drop-kicked with poor technique, okay? | ||
| I want to say the kid had no follow-through. | ||
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Right, right. | |
| Barely knocked a 71-year... | ||
| First of all, even though Arnold Schwarzenegger is 71 years old, he's still a 71-year-old Arnold Schwarzenegger. | ||
| Yeah, of course. | ||
| He's still a tank. | ||
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Yeah. | |
| But he didn't even fall over. | ||
| Kid dropkicks him. | ||
| He didn't even know it was coming. | ||
| He gets hit in the middle of his back and he just... | ||
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And he's fine. | |
| It's kind of impressive. | ||
| I got your present. | ||
| You do? | ||
| What do you got? | ||
| Ready? | ||
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Okay. | |
| What do you like best about me? | ||
| What the fuck does that mean? | ||
| I got this. | ||
| This is the most Joe Rogan thing. | ||
| That's like a thing a girl says to you right when she's about to trap you. | ||
| What? | ||
| I like your personality. | ||
| I like everything. | ||
| This is the most Joe Rogan thing I've ever found. | ||
|
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What is it? | |
| Here you go. | ||
| What do we got here? | ||
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Take it. | |
| Whoa. | ||
| What is that? | ||
| It's a mini museum. | ||
| So it's got 29 different things from all over the universe encased in lucite. | ||
|
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Wow. | |
| That is fucking dope, dude. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| Wow. | ||
| It's got a piece of the White House, a piece of the Hollywood sign, some Amazon water, a giant sloth claw, I think. | ||
| Wow. | ||
| Thank you. | ||
| You are welcome. | ||
| Dude, that'll go right fucking here. | ||
| Yeah, here's the book that tells everything about it. | ||
| Ooh, thank you. | ||
| Very cool. | ||
| Where'd you find this? | ||
| I went on one of my rabbit holes on the internet. | ||
| And I'm like, holy shit, this will be perfect, Joe. | ||
| Internet rabbit holes. | ||
| Oh, that's dope, dude. | ||
| Thank you very much. | ||
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You have to build a bag. | |
| Oh, yeah. | ||
| Oh, there's a bag for it. | ||
| A velvet bag. | ||
| I feel like I need to have it out, though. | ||
| It's nice. | ||
| I'll just build the bag right here. | ||
| I got mine on display. | ||
| The desk is so cluttered. | ||
| This is ridiculous. | ||
| Everybody keep saying it. | ||
| I'm going to clean it up. | ||
| It's not going to happen. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| So tell me more about your book. | ||
| Why are you breaking these buildings? | ||
| So that's a dog whistle. | ||
| That's a dog whistle. | ||
| The cover. | ||
| So there's a guy named Ben Garrison, and he was a regular conservative artist, right? | ||
| And he would have drawings about like Ben Bernanke or Hillary or whatever. | ||
| The Nazis took his art, replaced all of his drawings with Jews. | ||
| So instead of the great wizard of debt being the Fed, it was a Jewish caricature. | ||
| And they did it perfectly. | ||
| And they also invented this whole backstory about him, that he was this classic Nazi. | ||
| And this poor guy in Montana, if you Google him, it's like Nazi. | ||
| And he's like, why is this happening to me? | ||
| And the Photoshop work was perfect. | ||
| So eventually they calmed down, and now he's kind of like a regular cartoonist, and the story got out, but that's his artwork. | ||
| So the people, this poor guy who was, talk about a victim of Nazis. | ||
| It's very rare nowadays to have a new victim of Nazis, and he's actually one of them. | ||
| Well, meme culture is very strange. | ||
| Right, yes. | ||
| And those little humorous images that get chucked around. | ||
| Oh, yeah. | ||
| There's a lot of dirtbags that have really profited off of other people's meme work, too. | ||
| Like, my friend Don, he's terrible. | ||
| I don't know who that is. | ||
| He works for a meme site, yeah. | ||
| Real dirtbag. | ||
| Those sites are bad, man. | ||
| Some of them just flat-out steal, and some of them steal, and then they'll attribute you somewhere. | ||
| Like, they'll just say your name. | ||
| And sometimes they don't even say your name. | ||
| They say a name of, like, a fake account that doesn't even... | ||
| They just attribute it to someone. | ||
| Oh, I thought we got it from that person, because they know that it's at a hundred different... | ||
| Accounts. | ||
| Because a bunch of people have. | ||
| This guy's like you. | ||
| You'll find something. | ||
| You're like, oh, this is funny. | ||
| And you put it up. | ||
| But then there's people that they make these giant sites with all other people's work and they curate them. | ||
| And they make millions. | ||
| Like the fat Jewish. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| Oh, yeah. | ||
| Everyone hates him. | ||
| This is one of your big issues with people who take content and basically reappropriate it for themselves. | ||
| For sure with stand-up comedy. | ||
| But the thing that's happening with memes is like, if someone sends you something, like there's a bunch of things that, like Eddie Bravo sends me hilarious ones all the time. | ||
| He'll send me a funny meme, and then I'll send it to Brendan Shaw. | ||
| I'm not asking who made that meme. | ||
| It's a joke. | ||
| Brendan doesn't think that I made it myself, so it's not like I'm stealing a joke, but I'm definitely not crediting the original creator, because I don't know who the fuck it is. | ||
| And those things fly around. | ||
| They fly around. | ||
| But that's all in good faith. | ||
| The person in bad faith curates a website and then starts profiting off of it. | ||
| They find a loophole, and then they make deals with Comedy Central. | ||
| And they also have people who actually steal stand-up's bits and turn those bits into memes, and they put those bits on their meme pages, and they do the same shit. | ||
| They're content-needers. | ||
| They need content. | ||
| They're whores. | ||
| Parasites. | ||
| Yes. | ||
| So they just, they'll hire people to do it. | ||
| And the people that they hire, they'll steal people's jokes and turn them into memes. | ||
| I mean, it's a real problem. | ||
| That's, I mean, that's become a joke because people are like, oh, this is a rare Pepe, right? | ||
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Yes. | |
| Because, like, please save it. | ||
| It's just like, you know, even though you can replicate it infinitely. | ||
| Do you know the Pepe lawsuit that's going on right now? | ||
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Oh, yeah. | |
| Talk about that in there. | ||
| Well, the new one that's happening right now, Alex Jones refused to, he refused to settle. | ||
| Out of court. | ||
| So they're going to go to court. | ||
| They're going to figure out whether or not Pepe, you can use Pepe the Frog. | ||
| But I mean, I talk about this in the context of, it's like, can Andy Warhol use a Campbell's soup can? | ||
| It's the same thing. | ||
| It's like, yes, someone creates it, but if someone is using it in a kind of a broader satirical context. | ||
| Well, it doesn't though, because Andy probably couldn't do that today. | ||
| Yes, he could. | ||
| I think they'd sue him. | ||
| Have you tried to make a lot of money off of Campbell's soup cans? | ||
| I think corporations had more power back then and less accountability because now with social media everyone would lose their minds on Campbell's. | ||
| Right. | ||
| That's true. | ||
| That's a good point. | ||
| I think that... | ||
| Do you know what they did? | ||
| What Campbell's did when he did this? | ||
| What he did? | ||
| It's all 40 flavors of soup cans, right? | ||
| Puts them up in a gallery. | ||
| Campbell's is like, what the fuck is this? | ||
| Like they didn't know what to do, right? | ||
| And they didn't know who to call. | ||
| This is unprecedented. | ||
| So they had a storefront and they had the cans at the window. | ||
| They go, why pay a hundred grand? | ||
| You could get it here for a dollar. | ||
| So they tried to own it in their own way. | ||
| That's smart. | ||
| That's smart. | ||
| Great advertising for them. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| I mean, gigantic advertising. | ||
| But that's the other thing is like with this meme culture where people are like, oh, Pepe means white supremacy. | ||
| It's like you can't – Campbell doesn't say what a Campbell's soup can means. | ||
| Different things mean – this is not news. | ||
| Different things mean different things to different people. | ||
| And if you're using it in one context, that doesn't mean other contexts aren't legitimate. | ||
| That's how art and images work. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| I mean that's almost like what happened with the guy in Montana, right? | ||
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Yes. | |
| Somebody takes his work and then turns it into Nazi stuff and then all of a sudden he becomes a Nazi. | ||
| Right. | ||
| And he had nothing to do with it. | ||
| With Pepe the Frog, because that guy who made... | ||
| Matt Fury, yeah. | ||
| He's so upset. | ||
| I know. | ||
| Do you know what they did to him? | ||
| Do you know what they did to him? | ||
| He had a cartoon where he killed Pepe. | ||
| So all the trolls are like, oh, that's interesting. | ||
| So they took all his other characters and made them full-blown Nazis. | ||
| So Heinrich, who's the wolf, instead of having reflections in his sunglasses, had the SS. They're like, oh, you want to throw down? | ||
| We'll throw down, asshole. | ||
| And that's what ended up happening to him. | ||
| The wolf has a Nazi name already. | ||
| No, they gave him a last name. | ||
| It's like Heinrich something else. | ||
| But that name. | ||
| Oh my god, I know. | ||
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This is a Nazi. | |
| What do they call it? | ||
| That's a Nazi wolf. | ||
| It sounds like a Nazi wolf. | ||
| That's hilarious. | ||
| He thought he could just kill it off. | ||
| That's like deplatforming. | ||
| He thought he was going to deplatform Pepe. | ||
| Let's suppose I decide to kill off Paul Bunyan. | ||
| What the fuck are you... | ||
| What does that mean? | ||
| It doesn't mean anything. | ||
| Like the idea that he's going to kill it off and they're going to say, oh, well, he killed it off. | ||
| He can't use it anymore. | ||
| His name was originally Landwolf. | ||
| So they said, oh, his first name is Heinrich Landwolf. | ||
| You can pull it up in the glasses. | ||
| Well, maybe we should have SS imagery here. | ||
| His name was Landwolf as opposed to what? | ||
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Skywolf? | |
| LAUGHTER What the fuck does that mean? | ||
| The funny thing is about Pepe was it was always so bland and lame before it was adopted as a meme. | ||
| Like, when you say, like, feels bad, man. | ||
| Like, it was like, this is so low blood sugar. | ||
| It bothers me. | ||
| But it's also the idea of you're saying that because Nazis are using it, you can't use it as FeelsBadMan? | ||
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Right. | |
| If you're giving an okay symbol and they're using it this way, you can't say, oh, that's okay? | ||
| That doesn't make any sense. | ||
| Yeah, you can't say something to me and I go, okay, Michael Malice, if I do that, that's white supremacy. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| No, everybody for years. | ||
| I had a whole series on my Instagram page of people doing the okay sign. | ||
| Of course. | ||
| Including me back when I had earrings. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| News radio days. | ||
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Yeah. | |
| Bill Cosby doing the okay symbol. | ||
| Come on, man. | ||
| You guys know this is not... | ||
| That's not what this is. | ||
| Just because people are using it and saying it is, and they're investigating. | ||
| People are investigating people. | ||
| There was a guy who was on television. | ||
| Yeah, and they blurt it out. | ||
| They blurt it out. | ||
| And the other thing is, we're at a point now where it's more easy to give the finger to someone than to say okay. | ||
| Yeah, because you blur the finger out and nobody cares. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| But if you do that, like, oh, what is he doing? | ||
| He's touching his fingers! | ||
| You can't even do like you're holding a joint, because that's like a white-powered joint. | ||
| If you're doing that, like a roach, that's bad. | ||
| That's bad. | ||
| How do you... | ||
| You have to use a roach clip. | ||
| It's a ploy by the roach clip industry. | ||
| But there's... | ||
| I have a list in there of all the things that are called racist. | ||
| Milk. | ||
| Dinosaurs. | ||
| When did milk become racist? | ||
| Oh, because what the trolls do is they make it... | ||
| Let's see if we get them freaking out about milk and they got it. | ||
| Picnics. | ||
| My favorite one the trolls did was the free bleeding movement. | ||
| Oh my god. | ||
| That's the greatest thing that people have ever accomplished. | ||
| That they actually got women who think that they were... | ||
| No, no. | ||
| There's two things. | ||
| You're confusing two things. | ||
| The free bleeding was a woman who made it, but there was the pee on yourself. | ||
| No, free bleeding was a 4chan troll. | ||
| No, it was the girl running a race. | ||
| Because she was actually smart about it. | ||
| She said, this is to create awareness toward women in third world countries who don't have access to sanitary pads. | ||
| Yeah, I was reading a whole article on the 4chan creating the free bleeding movement. | ||
| Okay, I could be wrong. | ||
| See if you can pull that up. | ||
| I know there was a legitimate example of the free bleeding. | ||
| Yeah, I think that was post them already putting it up. | ||
| They've done a few things like that. | ||
| They also had pee on yourself to fight rape. | ||
| Oh, I heard. | ||
| Because that's one of the big arguments that to fight a rapist, if you're actually in that situation, pee on yourself, that'll turn her away. | ||
| And it's like you shouldn't give people advice. | ||
| It's like, listen, if she's actually getting assaulted, what should she do in that horrible circumstance? | ||
| And then it's like pee on yourself to show your support for victim sexual assault. | ||
| Wasn't there a senator somewhere that actually said that if it's a legitimate rape... | ||
| That's in there. | ||
| Todd Akin. | ||
| What the fuck did he say? | ||
| This is amazing. | ||
| Todd Akin was running for Senate in Missouri, and he's pro-life, and they asked him a very common question for pro-life people, what about if it's rape? | ||
| And he goes, well, that's very rare, and he goes, but my understanding is, if a woman is assaulted, the body has a way of shutting it down. | ||
| Now, there's a book called Sperm Wars, and apparently, again, crazy scientists don't get mad at me. | ||
| That book's not legit. | ||
| Is that true? | ||
| No. | ||
| No, it's been disputed. | ||
| It's been debunked. | ||
| Okay, then good. | ||
| There's no evidence that sperm acts as anything other than sperm that attacks the egg and tries to get it pregnant. | ||
| The claim in that book is that rape is more likely to result in pregnancy than regular intercourse. | ||
| The point is, he got read out of town in a rail. | ||
| And then Reza Aslan... | ||
| on twitter you know what i hope he gets raped and if you take his comment out of context it's very disturbing and it's kind of disturbing in context but reza's response being like this is a response to you being like yeah you got raped you're not gonna get pregnant and he got the the new right went after him reza and got him fired from cnn years later it was Is that what he got fired from? | ||
| He also called the president a shithead. | ||
| So they're like, they use that, and they use the other tweet, and they got rid of him. | ||
| Free bleeding stuff has been online. | ||
| There's an article I found from 2004. Oh, holy crap. | ||
| So it's been online for a long time. | ||
| But who started it? | ||
| 4chan picked it up as a troll in 2014. Okay, so it started as a real thing. | ||
| It's been a thing online for a long time on feminist blogs. | ||
| 2011, there's another thing. | ||
| But when you find it in 2004, was it a troll? | ||
| No, it was all about my vagina. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| Myvag.net. | ||
| Yeah, yeah, yeah. | ||
| I told you. | ||
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Wait a minute. | |
| Wait a minute. | ||
| I knew. | ||
| I'm glad I got this right. | ||
| Yeah, I'm glad you got it right, too. | ||
| Myvag.net. | ||
| 4chan has too much power. | ||
| Long. | ||
| Myvag.net. | ||
| Some lady's experience with her free bleeding. | ||
| So she just lets her... | ||
| 15 years ago. | ||
| Her twat bleed. | ||
| I'm sorry. | ||
| Okay, you got that one. | ||
| The article was so fucking convincing. | ||
| That's a problem, man. | ||
| And that's what people that are arguing for deplatforming are saying. | ||
| For deplatforming anti-vaxxers or deplatforming flat earthers or anybody who's got information that's just not accurate in terms of... | ||
| The other thing is climate change. | ||
| That's a big one, too. | ||
| But my big answer is you guys reported WMDs. | ||
| For a long time, and hundreds of thousands of people got killed because of this misinformation. | ||
| So if that's going to be your standard, you're going to have to deplatform the New York Times as well. | ||
| So it's a very double-edged sword when you start talking about if people give misinformation, they have to be banned from these social media sites. | ||
| You need someone to be able to check the orthodox point of view, no matter what it is. | ||
| That's true. | ||
| There's no denying that. | ||
| What do you say, Jim? | ||
| This is the poster. | ||
| I didn't know this was about a poster. | ||
| It's a fair use issue with the Pepe and Alex Jones thing. | ||
| They put him on a poster and they're arguing it's fair use and he's arguing it's not. | ||
| It's not just because it's a meme or something. | ||
| There's the poster. | ||
| Who's that person behind Alex, to the left of Alex? | ||
| I don't know who most of these people are. | ||
| I know all of them. | ||
| Someone has a cigarette in their hand, or a test tube, or a tampon? | ||
| Yeah, who is that? | ||
| What is that? | ||
| Is that a blunt? | ||
| What is that? | ||
| Is that a sharpie? | ||
| Is she writing something on Alex's back? | ||
| Is that a dude or a guy? | ||
| Who the fuck is that? | ||
| Yeah, who is that? | ||
| I know everybody else. | ||
| Eh, whatever. | ||
| We could be here for days. | ||
| Is that Diamond and Silk? | ||
| I don't know. | ||
| Who's that lady? | ||
| I think that was Silk. | ||
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Okay. | |
| Oh no, it must be Diamond and Silk, the two of them. | ||
| Who's Diamond and Silk? | ||
| They're these two black ladies who are Trump's biggest fans and they go on social media and they start ranting and raving. | ||
| I've seen one. | ||
| And one of them always drinks blue wine. | ||
| Blue wine? | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| And it's like when you're so sick of his bullshit that you're drinking literal Kool-Aid. | ||
| It's blue. | ||
| She's got a blue liquid. | ||
| It's crazy. | ||
| She's got a green one here. | ||
| And she's a Trump supporter? | ||
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Yeah! | |
| What is going on there? | ||
| It's racist! | ||
| Well, wait a minute. | ||
| Maybe she's drinking Kool-Aid. | ||
| Like, you can get... | ||
| Can't you get green Kool-Aid? | ||
| No, I think it's wine. | ||
| And put it in a wine glass? | ||
| I think... | ||
| They have blue wine now. | ||
| What? | ||
| Look at the looks on her face. | ||
| She always seems sad. | ||
| I don't know which one's diamond, which one's silk. | ||
| One's always really upset. | ||
| The other one's just like, why am I here? | ||
| It's a good move if you just want attention. | ||
| If you don't really support Trump. | ||
| Just sitting there with your green wine. | ||
| Yeah, just get super outrageous. | ||
| And they testified in front of Congress. | ||
| That's why I love this timeline. | ||
| It's like, this is where we are. | ||
| They testified in front of Congress about Facebook censoring people. | ||
| Oh my god, because Facebook was censoring them? | ||
| They said. | ||
| Well, do you see what's going on with Alex Jones? | ||
| If you write Alex Jones' name on Facebook, it says, only you can see this post. | ||
| Just his name. | ||
| I do live streams a lot, right? | ||
| And if the live stream was, my thoughts on Alex Jones' live stream, the second it's uploaded, it's demonetized. | ||
| And they later have to get re-monetized once they see it's okay. | ||
| So the default setting is... | ||
| That's the other thing. | ||
| Of all of these people, Alex Jones is the worst one. | ||
| Like, you have actual full-blown, we need another Holocaust types, and he's the villain. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| Well, he's got a big platform. | ||
| That's the idea. | ||
| The idea is that he's got a big platform, so they have to shut him down. | ||
| And here's the other lie. | ||
| They're like, oh, blah, blah, blah, Sandy Hook. | ||
| You weren't upset when the Sandy Hook should happen. | ||
| You're getting upset about him now, years later, because you're being whipped up into a froth by the corporate press about it. | ||
| You weren't saying he should be the platform seven years ago. | ||
| Whenever Sandy Hook was. | ||
| When it was something around them, right? | ||
| Five years ago? | ||
| Well, it becomes something that is a talking point, right? | ||
| Right. | ||
| Like that he needs to be deplatformed. | ||
| You either agree with it or you don't agree with it. | ||
| And I think that's the case with almost... | ||
| What is happening with our... | ||
| Something happened up there. | ||
| Oh, is it the purge? | ||
| No. | ||
| Are we the purge? | ||
| No, these guys are here messing with electronics. | ||
| No, there's no purge here. | ||
| Okay, good. | ||
| We have security. | ||
| I would not do well in a purge. | ||
| You'll be fine, dude. | ||
| Stay in this room. | ||
| This room is bulletproof. | ||
| Is it? | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| All right, good. | ||
| Good to know. | ||
| You'll be all right, man. | ||
| Okay, good. | ||
| Are you worried about the purge? | ||
| No. | ||
| Are you worried about the apocalypse? | ||
| No. | ||
| Natural disasters? | ||
| Not at all. | ||
| Nothing? | ||
| Solar flares. | ||
| Taking out the grid. | ||
| No, no, no. | ||
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Nothing? | |
| I mean, there's one of the best books. | ||
| No more serious satellite radio. | ||
| And this is my response to people on the far right. | ||
| And I'm using that term accurately. | ||
| There's a great book by Arthur Herman called The Idea of Decline in Western History. | ||
| And he talks about, you know, every 20 years, it's a different group, on the left, on the right, and they're like, the world's going to end. | ||
| And he brings the receipts, and it never ends up happening. | ||
| Because people are smart, some, and we have a huge asymmetry in wanting to stay alive. | ||
| So I, the idea that the last of what apocalypse, what probably the Black Plague, I would say, would be the last apocalypse, we've been doing so good so far. | ||
| Do you know about the people that got the black plague because they were eating a marmot liver? | ||
| Was it a liver or a kidney? | ||
| No, I thought they thought it was the fleas from the rats. | ||
| No, no, no, no, no. | ||
| Oh, recently? | ||
| Recently. | ||
| Recently got the black plague. | ||
| Yeah, the fleas from the rats. | ||
| The last time that happened in the United States, I think, was in the 1920s. | ||
| And that was in Los Angeles, actually. | ||
| The last evidence of the black plague. | ||
| But you don't die from it anymore. | ||
| Oh, you could definitely die from it. | ||
| But they died in the 20s? | ||
| I think they died in the 20s. | ||
| I thought it's still... | ||
| Okay. | ||
| Well, the people died this year from the Black Plague. | ||
| Oh, shit. | ||
| The people that ate the liver. | ||
| Okay. | ||
| Kidney, I think, right? | ||
| Mongolian couple, you know, raw marmot kidney. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
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Oh, my God. | |
| Marmot. | ||
| It's like a vole. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| That's what we used to be. | ||
| 65 million years ago. | ||
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Yeah. | |
| It's in the mini-museum. | ||
| Weird little rodent thing. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| But yeah, these people ate it. | ||
| Ate it and wound up dying from the plague. | ||
| What was the point? | ||
| I had a point. | ||
| About end of the world. | ||
| Are we worried about the apocalypse? | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| You know that idea that People have always worried about the end of the world and it never happens. | ||
| Sure. | ||
| That's like saying, I've always worried about dying, but I never have. | ||
| I'm not going to die. | ||
| I'm not going to die. | ||
| I'm not going to be there. | ||
| You're going to die. | ||
| But I'm not going to be there. | ||
| How do you know? | ||
| What do you mean? | ||
| How do you know? | ||
| You're not going to be there. | ||
| I mean, that's what dying means. | ||
| Oh, you're not going to be there when you die, so you're not going to die. | ||
| Right. | ||
| I'm not going to experience death. | ||
| You're alive or you're not, so don't even worry about it. | ||
| Because when it's over, you won't be here, so who cares? | ||
| I wouldn't say, so who cares? | ||
| But I mean, if your entire life is focusing on, you know, avoiding death, that's a very bad mindset. | ||
| Yeah, that's for sure. | ||
| That's all I'm saying. | ||
| What I'm saying is that I think people are operating with a very small historical timeline. | ||
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Sure. | |
| And the more I talk to people like Graham Hancock, who would describe the overwhelming evidence that something pretty severe happened to the human race around 12,800 years ago. | ||
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Sure. | |
| Something along those lines. | ||
| Other people think that it was actually a solar mass coronal ejection that made lightning storms like rainstorms. | ||
| Lightning was coming down like rain all over the world and just killed everything. | ||
| And this thing could happen easily at any time. | ||
| Not easily. | ||
| Oh, yeah. | ||
| Easily. | ||
| Okay. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| Common impact or asteroid impact? | ||
| Easily. | ||
| Easily. | ||
| Easily or not easily in terms of likelihood? | ||
| Because if it would have happened easily in terms of likelihood, it would have happened by now. | ||
| No, no. | ||
| It has happened. | ||
| There's a lot of evidence that it's happened. | ||
| It's just we're dealing with a small timeline. | ||
| The idea is, could you get lucky and it won't happen in the next 60 years or so while you're alive? | ||
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Yeah. | |
| Yeah, it could happen. | ||
| Or it could hit tomorrow. | ||
| That could happen too. | ||
| Okay. | ||
| I'll take that bet. | ||
| It's a good bet. | ||
| I mean, it's good. | ||
| Look, your perspective is good. | ||
| It's good to not worry. | ||
| To not look at life like that. | ||
| Also, because when you don't have power, if you don't have the power to affect the comet, as I personally don't, knowing it's coming, theoretically, what can I do about it? | ||
| Just live. | ||
| And one of my heroes, Albert Camus, a great French philosopher, you know, his point about living to the point of tears, right? | ||
| And I think what really I find sad in this culture is cynicism and hopelessness. | ||
| And it's like, we're blessed. | ||
| You know, we have this – I mean, there's more – The internet, you can find people who are making amazing things, more opportunities than you can count. | ||
| And if you're just going to sit there and mope, I mean, you're blowing this great gift that God's given you. | ||
| Yeah, well, I think a lot of those people that are moping, that are concentrating entirely on the negative aspects of life, they're doing themselves a giant disservice. | ||
| It's almost like they can't help it. | ||
| I think there's a lot of people that are affecting the way culture shifts today that are probably clinically depressed. | ||
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Absolutely. | |
| And one of the things I resent enormously about culture is this idea of something is joyous or fun, it's less legitimate artistically. | ||
| And that is such a disgusting, horrible mindset. | ||
| And we need more joy and more happiness. | ||
| Take it from me because I went to see JoJo Siwa last night. | ||
| Okay. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| Do you know who that is? | ||
| You don't know who that is. | ||
| She's a YouTube star. | ||
| My nine-year-old loves her. | ||
| So I had to go to JoJo Siwa's birthday concert last night at the Microsoft Center. | ||
| Whatever the fuck that is. | ||
| I know because Bert ran into her at the airport. | ||
| Bert loves her too, I bet. | ||
| Because Bert has young daughters too. | ||
| She's all about positivity. | ||
| Believe and achieve. | ||
| Fun times. | ||
| I'll upload a video later. | ||
| But is it all like saccharine, like Disney stuff, or is it sincere? | ||
| Oh, it's as saccharine as it gets. | ||
| Oh, I don't like that. | ||
| Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. | ||
| Like, yeah, she was taking old Queen songs and reworking the words, cleaning them up. | ||
| Oh, so she's like those mean people. | ||
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Oh, she's cleaning, she's toning down Queen songs? | |
| Toning down some Queen songs. | ||
| Oh, this woman's the devil. | ||
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Yeah. | |
| How dare you take someone's art and appropriate it and make it take out all the energy? | ||
| Yeah, she... | ||
| This is corporate culture at its worst. | ||
| But she's doing it for three-year-olds, bro. | ||
| So? | ||
| She's like five-year-olds and three-year-olds. | ||
| They don't need to be listening to Queen. | ||
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I love her. | |
| There it is. | ||
| Oh, Jesus Christ. | ||
| She loves Freddie Mercury, bro. | ||
| What's the problem? | ||
| No, she doesn't. | ||
| If she loved him, she'd respect him. | ||
| She's fucking 12. She know. | ||
| Oh, she's 16. Excuse me. | ||
| Yeah, she doesn't know any better. | ||
| She does know better. | ||
| How smart were you when you were 16? | ||
| Smart enough not to try to rewrite Queen. | ||
| I bet she doesn't have a say in it. | ||
| I bet whoever's pulling the strings gets her to rewrite it. | ||
| That makes it even more nefarious. | ||
| Of course, the Disney people or the censors. | ||
| Whoever it is, the producers. | ||
| Wait, am I wrong? | ||
| Where's the lie? | ||
| Where's the lie? | ||
| What song was it that they did it to? | ||
| I'm trying to remember. | ||
| They did We Are the Champions. | ||
| She sang that. | ||
| But champions, that means someone's a loser. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| No time for losers. | ||
| So what's that changed to? | ||
| I don't think they changed that. | ||
| No time for recess. | ||
| Oh my god. | ||
| This is horrifying. | ||
| This is like those videos they made for Mormons where they took Hollywood blockbusters and cut out all the sex and all the cursing. | ||
| And it's like you are evil vampires. | ||
| Horrible monsters. | ||
| She did Crocodile Rock, Elton John. | ||
| And she changed Rainbow Chevy to Rainbow Beamer. | ||
| So, Crocodile Rock. | ||
| You know my theories with that song? | ||
| I tweeted this out years ago. | ||
| What? | ||
| I just imagined Elton with a bunch of his friends all getting high as fuck. | ||
| Right. | ||
| And they're like, alright, let's try to think of the most fucked up lyric. | ||
| And Eric, Elton, you're going to make a song about it. | ||
| They're like, alright, how about like Crocodile Rock? | ||
| And he's like, alright, I'll fucking do it. | ||
| And he fucking sits and nails it. | ||
| What the fuck does that even mean? | ||
| What does that mean? | ||
| But I'll tell you what, man. | ||
| The word crocodile means something different to me after watching that Black Mirror episode titled Crocodile. | ||
| I haven't seen it. | ||
| Holy shit. | ||
| If you're listening to this, ladies and gentlemen, and you have a sensitive heart, and you can't handle really fucked up premises in a really fucked up episode... | ||
| Like her fans. | ||
| Yeah, don't watch it, because it's rough. | ||
| It's really good, though. | ||
| But it's like, holy shit! | ||
| It's one of those ones where I'm not giving away anything, but at the end, when you're done with that show, you feel like you need a fucking shower. | ||
| You're like, whoa. | ||
| It's dark. | ||
| It has nothing to do with the reptiles. | ||
| I do like dark. | ||
| It's just dark. | ||
| It's dark. | ||
| I just read this book by this woman, Cynthia Carr, called Fire in the Belly. | ||
| It's the life story of this artist, David Wanyarovic, who I didn't know anything about. | ||
| And he was in New York in the early to late 80s when AIDS was coming up. | ||
| And as she tells his life story, you hear the story of AIDS permeating through this culture. | ||
| And that book is as dark as fuck because she'll have a scene where he's like, oh, he had dinner and da-da-da. | ||
| And the next sentence, Keith Haring died on this day at age 34. | ||
| And you realize this is what it was like for them. | ||
| They're hanging out. | ||
| Phone rings. | ||
| Keith's dead. | ||
| And these are men who are the symbols of virility, late 20s, early 30s, just dropping like flies. | ||
| And the thing is, they're watching each other die, knowing, I'm next. | ||
| That's going to be me a year from now. | ||
| And they're getting dementia before they die, so they're talking all crazy at age 30. So this book really fucked my head really badly. | ||
| They were giving him AZT, too. | ||
| Oh, yeah. | ||
| Which didn't help. | ||
| No, but that was later. | ||
| At first, they're like, we don't know what the fuck to do. | ||
| Good luck. | ||
| And it's like, we're dying. | ||
| Like, oh, sorry, shouldn't have sucked dick. | ||
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It's like, what the fuck am I supposed to do? | |
| Yeah. | ||
| They were calling it the gay cancer. | ||
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Yeah. | |
| They didn't know what it was. | ||
| And then when they were trying to fight for education, people were like, well, we're not going to teach kids about sucking dick. | ||
| And they're like, dude, we're dying. | ||
| And they're like, sorry about it. | ||
| And this book really got with the fuck with my head, especially because, you know, it's real. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| Did you ever hear of bug catchers? | ||
| Of course. | ||
| Bug chasers. | ||
| Bug chasers. | ||
| Bug chasers, yeah. | ||
| That's, again, we're talking about things that are just fucked up about human beings. | ||
| When you look at the spectrum of behavior, bug chasers are people who tried to get HIV. Right, because they thought it was the ultimate symbol of being gay. | ||
| Well, I'm sure there's a bunch of reasons. | ||
| That was the big reason. | ||
| Well, there was probably that, but probably they felt bad that other people had it and they wanted it. | ||
| And there was other people that just wanted it because they're crazy. | ||
| Sure. | ||
| And other people hated themselves, so they wanted it. | ||
| There was also that guy in Germany who was like, I want to cut off someone's dick and eat it. | ||
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Oh, yeah. | |
| And someone signed up for it. | ||
| No, he said, I want someone to cut off my dick and eat it, and I want them to eat me. | ||
| And so someone said, sure, let's meet up. | ||
| Yeah, that's right. | ||
| I got it wrong. | ||
| And so the guy cut his dick off and they both shared his dick and then killed the dude and started eating him and then they arrest him. | ||
| And they didn't know whether to charge him because it was voluntary. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| It's a good point. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| Oof. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| I'm not a fan. | ||
| But I mean, you still like... | ||
| You can't... | ||
| Murder is like... | ||
| It either is murder or it's not murder. | ||
| Like, if you're in a gay relationship with a guy and the guy says, okay, this is what I want you to do. | ||
| I want you to beat me up and rape me. | ||
| And you're like, uh... | ||
| Okay, can I get that in writing? | ||
| Can you write down, I want you to beat me up? | ||
| And then, you know, if the cops come... | ||
| He's like, he beat me up and he raped me. | ||
| I'm like, no, no, bro, listen. | ||
| Here, he wrote it right here. | ||
| He made a videotape. | ||
| You didn't use your safe word. | ||
| He said he wanted me to beat him up and rape him, and the cops would probably let you go. | ||
| But you can't murder. | ||
| Right. | ||
| You know what I'm saying? | ||
| Because consensual sex is obviously legal. | ||
| So if you have consensual sex with someone, it's legal. | ||
| But if you pretend to be fighting them off, and then they have sex with you, it's role play. | ||
| But murders never role play. | ||
| You know, I found, when I was doing research for the book, the National Review, who's my favorite paleontology journal, in the late 90s, as the gay rights movement was coming up into mainstream consciousness, they wrote an article comparing the struggle for gay rights to a struggle for necrophilia. | ||
| They're like, what would be the difference? | ||
| And they talked about how, right now, In the European Union, perverts are fighting for the right to be violent toward each other in bed in various ways. | ||
| It's like, yeah, it's like rough sex. | ||
| It's adjacent to vanilla sex. | ||
| Yeah, they like it. | ||
| And now the articles are the conservative case for gay marriage. | ||
| It's like you guys have no fucking shame then and you have no fucking shame now. | ||
| At least be consistent. | ||
| One of the things that disturbs me greatly today is there is a movement, and I don't know how big it is, but it's a movement for people to try to recognize pedophiles as a sexual distinction, a sexual designation, rather than a sick disease. | ||
| Similar to being trans or being gay, that some people are just born pedophiles. | ||
| Well, I think what's important there is it's not just a crime because a crime can be fixed and treated. | ||
| So I think it is important to understand these people will always psychologically be pedophiles. | ||
| And you're not going to get them to be like straight homeowners. | ||
| There's no therapy that's ever been shown that... | ||
| I think it's like trying to make someone who's gay straight. | ||
| Is it really that? | ||
| That's my understanding. | ||
| If that's the case, then is there an argument that we should be more compassionate with them as long as they don't act on that? | ||
| But that's the danger. | ||
| Because the other thing, what they don't understand is from their point of view, those kids are giving consent, which they are, right? | ||
| The kid's saying yes. | ||
| So they're like, look, that's what's scary. | ||
| We don't even know if they do, right? | ||
| No, but they don't think of statutory rape being a thing. | ||
| And I knew, okay, this is what happened. | ||
| I interned at a place long ago. | ||
| And there was a librarian who worked there, like a Guido type, you know? | ||
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A girl or a guy? | |
| Guy. | ||
| And years later, he was arrested. | ||
| He was a school teacher. | ||
| He was arrested in an undercover sting trying to meet a kid who he knew was 13 or 12 in a park to try to sleep with him, right? | ||
| This was Janine Pirro, who later became a Fox commentator. | ||
| He got out of jail, and I see him on Facebook. | ||
| He's married with kids. | ||
| And it's just like, you think it's fine? | ||
| That's just scary shit. | ||
| That's insane. | ||
| And it's another thing to switch gender, too. | ||
| If you're going for young boys, you're going to go to regular-aged women? | ||
| I don't see how that would work. | ||
| Right, right. | ||
| And this is something that's such a taboo topic. | ||
| For a lot of people, correctly, once you start talking about kids and sexuality, their hackles raise. | ||
| It is a PC subject because it's like, why are you even introducing this into the conversation? | ||
| Where are you going with this? | ||
| It's a very, very, very slippery slope. | ||
| Well, if you're trying to say, or if they're trying to say, that this is something that people are born with, I don't think there's evidence that people just are born that way. | ||
| I think there's evidence that people become that way from sexual abuse. | ||
| Yes, that's true too. | ||
| Absolutely. | ||
| And they think it's appropriate. | ||
| I've never heard of anybody that grew up in a normal household who wasn't abused. | ||
| Is that the case? | ||
| Am I incorrect? | ||
| I'm not in a position to talk about this at all. | ||
| I think we have probably very few cases of pedophiles on the record explaining how they came to this point of view. | ||
| Right. | ||
| But in either situation, born or abused, I can't see how this is something that's going to be an emotion level. | ||
| You're going to be able to turn them away. | ||
| Well, it's also a super – the idea of that being in your neighborhood. | ||
| Yes. | ||
| This is in your neighborhood. | ||
| You've got this guy who likes to fuck kids and he promises not to do it anymore. | ||
| They did a few times. | ||
| They locked him up in a cage and now he lives down the street. | ||
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Right. | |
| And he locked up in a cage where he was traumatized also, further traumatized. | ||
| Oh, yeah. | ||
| So, and also, if he promises not to do it, but knowing when he's looking, he's checking out my son or my daughter. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| I did not expect to be talking about this today. | ||
| Of course. | ||
| That the human mind can be imprinted and you're abused when you're younger, that you go on to do that same thing that was horrifically done to you, that that is a common thing. | ||
| That happens with children that get abused. | ||
| Does it make sense to you? | ||
| It does make sense. | ||
| To me, it's like that way I wasn't abused. | ||
| I was enjoying it. | ||
| Could be, right? | ||
| You know, that way it takes away the trauma because it's like, oh, this is how I've always been. | ||
| So it was okay. | ||
| Nothing happened to me. | ||
| And you don't have to deal with the trauma that way. | ||
| Well, that's what Milo, when he was talking about being sexually abused as a child, I think that's what he was kind of doing. | ||
| Oh, yes. | ||
| He was saying that I was the predator and I was going out for the priest. | ||
| I talk about that in the book because if there was anyone other than Milo, people would – because he was older. | ||
| He wasn't like 12. He was like whatever, 18. 14? | ||
| No, no. | ||
| I think he was like – I don't remember how old he was. | ||
| No, no. | ||
| If he's 18, that's fine. | ||
| It wasn't 18, but it wasn't 12. I think – He was a teenager, but he was young. | ||
| If it was somebody else, people would be talking about heteronormativity, right? | ||
| And it's historically not that weird for an older gay dude to get with a younger gay guy, especially when everyone was closeted, to kind of initiate them into the lifestyle. | ||
| This was a thing. | ||
| But it's Milo, now it's, oh my god, you want pedophilia, blah blah blah. | ||
| It's like, there's different standards for gay people than for straight people. | ||
| And that's appropriate and acceptable. | ||
| And people understand that in other contexts. | ||
| Well, the problem is society, as the way we understand human beings and the way a person's brain works, when you're young, you shouldn't be allowed to make those decisions because sexually, in particular, you could get coerced, You can wind up doing something That you don't want to do It can be straight guys that are 14 years old That are talked into having gay sex By a very charismatic 40 year old man Who gives them things The idea is that this is a bad thing For the boy | ||
| It's a bad thing because you wouldn't want it to happen to a girl Why would you want it to happen to a boy But I think it's a very different phenomenon for a 30-year-old gay man to sleep with a 16-year-old gay man as for a 30-year-old – Gay boy. | ||
| Sure. | ||
| As opposed to a 30-year-old straight man to sleep with a 16-year-old straight girl. | ||
| I think you can make that argument that it is a little bit different. | ||
| I still don't think it's okay. | ||
| I'm not saying it's okay. | ||
| I'm just saying clearly it's different. | ||
| It's different. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| Especially if the boy is like very gay. | ||
| Very obviously gay. | ||
| Which, you know, everyone from high school remembers. | ||
| Or if he's not a virgin. | ||
| Right. | ||
| That's true too. | ||
| That first guy for that girl will fuck with her head for her life for many women. | ||
| For him, it could be it wasn't his first. | ||
| Yep. | ||
| That's a very big difference too. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| Yeah, you don't want to be that first guy. | ||
| That's a lot of work. | ||
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Yeah. | |
| I don't even mean with gay. | ||
| I mean with straight, too. | ||
| I don't think I ever had a virgin in my life. | ||
| I've never had a virgin. | ||
| Thank God. | ||
| It's too much work. | ||
| To be connected, it'd be like forever? | ||
| I thought you meant physically it'd be too much work. | ||
| No, no, no, no, no, no. | ||
| No, I mean... | ||
| Yeah, I should probably clarify. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| I mean, being connected, it's too significant. | ||
| You want to be like the third guy. | ||
| You don't want to be the first guy a girl has sex with. | ||
| You were always my first, Michael. | ||
| I'll never forget. | ||
| I always thought that we were supposed to be together forever and ever because I believe in movies and fairy tales. | ||
| And you were it. | ||
| And I listened to the Queen songs with the nice lyrics. | ||
| It didn't work. | ||
| JoJo's, he was concert. | ||
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She explained how everything was like a movie. | |
| Yeah, you, uh... | ||
| Yeah, that's a thing, right? | ||
| Like, people do get emotionally attached to romantic stories that they see in movies, and they want their life to play out like this fictional narrative. | ||
| And the left uses this a lot, because they'll have all these leftist ideas in culture, in movies, and that's where a lot of people get their programming. | ||
| And then it's like, you know, for example, here's an idea you don't see in culture, that people very often knowingly and consciously do the wrong thing. | ||
| That happens every day. | ||
| People know they're doing something fucked up. | ||
| You don't really see that that much in, like, TV and movies. | ||
| And that's a right-wing message that, like, you know, people sometimes are basically evil. | ||
| You can run into someone, and at that point in their life, they are evil. | ||
| That's a fact. | ||
| Sure, that exists all over the world. | ||
| And it's also evil on a small scale. | ||
| Like, if you're in an office... | ||
| And someone's getting chewed out, and they're getting bullied for whatever reason, and you're sitting there and you're keeping your mouth shut, you're not Hitler. | ||
| But you know you're doing the wrong thing. | ||
| But you're trying to protect your job, right? | ||
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Sure. | |
| You want the boss to come down on you. | ||
| But a lot of times you have that space and you still won't do it. | ||
| And that's knowingly doing the wrong thing. | ||
| And I'm not saying you should be throwing the garbage, but I'm saying people do that all the time, these little sacrifices they make with their conscience. | ||
| That's true, yeah. | ||
| And you don't see that really represented. | ||
| And that's an important idea for people to understand that people are often weak. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| And always, especially if you're going check to check, always worried about losing your job, losing your gig. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| That's a real big thing with people. | ||
| I was on vacation once and there was this guy who was a boss and he was there with his employee and his employee's family and he was mean to his employee's daughter. | ||
| That's horrifying. | ||
| I watched it. | ||
| The guy had to take it. | ||
| He was just talking shitty to her. | ||
| It was really gross because you could see the dynamic play out. | ||
| He was just this mean old guy, just really shitty. | ||
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Jesus Christ. | |
| It was disturbing to see this weak man just having to accept the fact that this guy is being shitty to his daughter. | ||
| He was giving her a lecture and berating her and doing it publicly. | ||
| Oh my God. | ||
| Is this who you wanted to grow up to be? | ||
| Is this job worth it? | ||
| It was so gross I wanted to step in. | ||
| I was like, I just want to tell this guy, shut the fuck up. | ||
| It's driving me nuts. | ||
| I remember when I was back before I started being an author, I was working at Goldman. | ||
| And it was a very stressful job. | ||
| And I had my review. | ||
| And they said, oh, you know, if you have downtime, sometimes we see you going online. | ||
| We want you to help the Laptop Lab. | ||
| And I just go, no. | ||
| And he goes, what? | ||
| I said, I wasn't hired to do laptops. | ||
| I'm not interested in learning laptops. | ||
| And there are, the job is very intense and high stress. | ||
| So if I have downtime, I'm going to, you know, use the downtime. | ||
| And the look on her face was just like as if I just added myself as a pedophile. | ||
| What did it mean by use the laptop? | ||
| The laptop lab, right? | ||
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What does that mean? | |
| I was doing tech support. | ||
| So like Microsoft Word, Excel, people had problems. | ||
| They would call on the fly. | ||
| You got to have an answer for them. | ||
| It's very, it's like a quiz show. | ||
| You're living a quiz show. | ||
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Sure. | |
| And then there's a laptop lab. | ||
| People are checking out laptops. | ||
| They're setting up laptops, which is a very different skill set. | ||
| Something I didn't really know. | ||
| Setting up in terms of downloading software. | ||
| I didn't know then. | ||
| I still don't know. | ||
| I don't fucking care. | ||
| But you're like, no. | ||
| It's not my job. | ||
| And I'm not interested in working as hard as possible. | ||
| Also, when you have downtime, do they want you to work extra? | ||
| The point is, the phone rings or it doesn't ring, right? | ||
| That's your job. | ||
| That's my job. | ||
| My job is to get off the phone as fast as possible because they're problem solved. | ||
| So what they were saying was, while you were doing this other job and waiting for something to come up, we want to keep you working with a specifically different job. | ||
| Correct. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| No. | ||
| It's corporations, man. | ||
| That's right. | ||
| Try to squeeze that rock. | ||
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Right. | |
| And it's like, why am I busting my ass to make Goldman Sachs That extra $5 of value. | ||
| Fuck you. | ||
| And I'm so proud of myself. | ||
| Did they fire you after that? | ||
| They fired me because I refused to work on Thanksgiving because my great-grandma had died. | ||
| They wanted you to work on Thanksgiving? | ||
| Well, we were 24-7. | ||
| What? | ||
| It's a help desk. | ||
| Oh, wow. | ||
| But you must have shifts. | ||
| I was second shift. | ||
| 4 p.m. | ||
| to midnight, right? | ||
| Every night? | ||
| Monday through Thursday. | ||
| Okay. | ||
| And they go, oh, we're having you in on Thursday during the day, Thanksgiving Day. | ||
| And I'd promised my, and I worked second shift, so they wanted me four to midnight, then there at nine. | ||
| And I said, no, I promised my grandma I'd have Thanksgiving dinner, lunch with her. | ||
| I could have called my grandma to reschedule. | ||
| I didn't want to be that guy, because I knew this was one of those, you know, things that, like, this is a fork road, crossroads in your life. | ||
| And they go, we'll find someone else to cover your shift. | ||
| And I asked, everyone else had plans, and they go, well, we need you midnight, you know, the next day for lunch. | ||
| And I said, no. | ||
| And they fired me, and I'm very, very glad I did that. | ||
| And I had lunch with Grandma. | ||
| Her mom had just died. | ||
| Are they allowed to fire you for that if it's not your shift? | ||
| Yeah, of course. | ||
| They are? | ||
| Of course. | ||
| Well, no, the shift every week, they get the calendar. | ||
| Oh, so they scheduled it. | ||
| Right. | ||
| Oh, I see. | ||
| So you didn't have a specific shift like, hey, Michael, every day you come in at 8 o'clock, you leave at midnight. | ||
| I usually did. | ||
| Or 4 o'clock, rather. | ||
| But when you had holidays, things had to change. | ||
| And I'm like, well, I don't care. | ||
| And no regrets. | ||
| Well, it worked out. | ||
| It did. | ||
| But did you ever think that you'd be like this, what are you? | ||
| What are you, a pundit? | ||
| I'm a troll. | ||
| What am I? An author? | ||
| Media personality, I think is the word. | ||
| You said troll, though, immediately. | ||
| You went right to it. | ||
| I caught myself. | ||
| Ah, but you wanted to be a troll. | ||
| Well, I don't like that. | ||
| That's the first thing you think of. | ||
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It's fun. | |
| Like if someone says, like, what do you do? | ||
| You're like, troll. | ||
| I'm an author. | ||
| No, actually, you know what I say? | ||
| When people ask me what I do, I say, you know those obnoxious people who have a job giving their uninformed opinion? | ||
| That's me. | ||
| That's what I usually say. | ||
| Interesting. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| Isn't that funny that that's a job? | ||
| All you have to do is be kind of entertaining and have an interesting way of looking at things. | ||
| It's great. | ||
| This is what I'm talking about being blessed. | ||
| And I don't take it for granted. | ||
| And the fact that people pay my rent because of my sick burns on Twitter, on Patreon. | ||
| Sick burn! | ||
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Sick burn! | |
| I love my sick burns. | ||
| And you used to be a Microsoft help representative for Goldman Sachs. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| Was it Microsoft? | ||
| Just Microsoft? | ||
| Yeah, all the Microsoft products, yeah. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| Do you use Windows? | ||
| I do. | ||
| Do you? | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| You don't use Apple? | ||
| I don't. | ||
| You seem like a guy. | ||
| You seem like a guy using an Android phone, too. | ||
| I have an Android phone. | ||
| Aha! | ||
| I do. | ||
| You're a little bit of a contrarian. | ||
| I have a little bit. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| Do you like Windows because the people that use Macs are just like following the sheep herd? | ||
| I use Windows because that's what I was professional on, so I haven't changed in all this time. | ||
| The only thing that bugs me about Windows is I have to constantly be updating shit. | ||
| You turn that shit off. | ||
| You have to turn that shit off. | ||
| Why? | ||
| Because sometimes it's crashed my computer. | ||
| Oh, when it updates? | ||
| Yeah, so I'm not rolling... | ||
| That fear of the computer restarting... | ||
| So how often do you update your software? | ||
| Never, never. | ||
| But what if they fix, like, vulnerabilities and shit? | ||
| What, they're gonna invent new words? | ||
| It's fine. | ||
| It's fine that they get the squiggly line when I write the word meme. | ||
| What I worry about is, like, vulnerabilities to the system. | ||
| I have everything backed up in three places. | ||
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Oh. | |
| I'm a crazy person like that. | ||
| Okay, so you're ready to rock. | ||
| And do you run some... | ||
| Do you run a VPN? Yeah. | ||
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No. | |
| No? | ||
| And I'm pirating that shit, too. | ||
| Would you? | ||
| Why would you say that on the air? | ||
| Oh, shit. | ||
| I'm going to get swatted now. | ||
| Come and get you. | ||
| I'm going to get swatted. | ||
| You're a pirate. | ||
| They're going to fucking sink your ship. | ||
| Me and Madonna with the eyepatches. | ||
| Madonna has an eyepatch? | ||
| Yeah, you didn't see that? | ||
| See, I think it's a fashion thing, but it could be a glaucoma thing. | ||
| What? | ||
| She's got an eyepatch. | ||
| Maybe she's just a fan of Slick Rick. | ||
| Do you know my favorite comedian, Neil Hamburger? | ||
| Yeah, sure. | ||
| I love Neil. | ||
| He's my absolute favorite comedian. | ||
| And one of his jokes is, what do you call a senior citizen who can't help but expose their genitalia in public? | ||
| Madonna. | ||
| And he says it all sad. | ||
| He's got such a weird act. | ||
| He's so funny. | ||
| Oh, he's the best. | ||
| It's such a strange, strange act. | ||
| Well, he's just basically like Tony Clifton. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| As a stand-up. | ||
| But better. | ||
| But better. | ||
| Much better. | ||
| Much better material. | ||
| Yeah, yeah. | ||
| And better presentation. | ||
| I talk about Kaufman in the book because he's the first troll. | ||
| Andy Kaufman was the first troll. | ||
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Sure. | |
| Yeah, I agree. | ||
| And there's this great... | ||
| He had this character, Tony Clifton, people don't know, who's this, like, angry lounge singer. | ||
| And Tony did this bit. | ||
| He would perform, I think it was in Atlantic City. | ||
| And he'd say, hey, my wife died. | ||
| Whenever I look at my daughter's, you know, Stephanie's eyes, I see her. | ||
| So Stephanie come out here and do a song, sits on his lap. | ||
| They sing. | ||
| Her voice cracks. | ||
| He smacks her across the face. | ||
| He goes, are you fucking it up? | ||
| The audience is booing. | ||
| He goes, don't boo. | ||
| You're just going to make her cry more. | ||
| And it wasn't even a kid. | ||
| It's an actress. | ||
| You know what I mean? | ||
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Of course, yeah. | |
| But that was just beautiful trolling. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| Well, he used to, Kaufman used to go on stage and sing the Mighty Mouse theme song. | ||
| But just the Mighty Mouse part, yeah. | ||
| Here I come to save the day. | ||
| He did the special, and I think it was ABC Refused to Air for Two Years. | ||
| And one of the parts, it was like Pee-wee's Playhouse for Pee-wee's Playhouse. | ||
| He had a girl from Sound of Music, and she's like, oh, she's starting to restart her career. | ||
| He called it Has Been Corner. | ||
| And she comes out, he goes, so at what point did you realize you weren't going to make it in show business? | ||
| I mean, it's just... | ||
| And she's in on it? | ||
| Right. | ||
| You know, but it's just... | ||
| You're sitting there like, oh my god. | ||
| Even if you're in on it, it's got a sting. | ||
| And she's like, oh... | ||
| It's actually real. | ||
| I'm trying to restart my career. | ||
| He goes, well, I don't think it's going to happen for you, but good luck. | ||
| And you're just like, oh my god. | ||
| Well, how about when he was wrestling women? | ||
| That was a sexual thing. | ||
| But, yeah, I'm sure. | ||
| But it was also trolling. | ||
| Is it? | ||
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Yeah. | |
| Yeah, yeah, yeah. | ||
| He was screaming and yelling at them. | ||
| Oh, that part. | ||
| But yeah, yeah. | ||
| But that I'm not a fan of. | ||
| Dude, the fucking people at the wrestling arenas, they wanted to kill him. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| They wanted to fucking kill him. | ||
| They thought it was real. | ||
| I got Dolph Ziggler coming up on my show tomorrow. | ||
| And he came out once dressed as The Undertaker. | ||
| And the audience, when he pulls off that head, we're like booing, goes, oh, you thought it was really going to be him? | ||
| You only see him once a year. | ||
| So he fucking comes dressed as other wrestlers just to troll the audience. | ||
| I love that shit. | ||
| Well, you got to think also when Kaufman was doing this, there was real discussion as to whether or not wrestling was real. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| This is a different time. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| It's amazing. | ||
| You can look back at these arguments and people are like, oh, yeah, yeah, it's totally fucking real. | ||
| No, he was taken... | ||
| Do you know what's really, though, what's fascinating, though, because with the rise of MMA... Yeah, I just saw like the WWE at Mass Square Garden. | ||
| We know what the dynamics of fighting looks like, right? | ||
| But the wrestlers, it's still the same motions. | ||
| It's like, we know that if you hit someone here, how they actually react, because we've seen it thousands of times for real. | ||
| But you guys are still like, if someone punches you in the neck, you're not going to be passed out on the floor. | ||
| It was also like some wrestlers got upset because I was explaining that a figure four leg lock doesn't work. | ||
| Not only does it not work, but you're setting yourself up for heel hook. | ||
| Okay. | ||
| I'm like, let me explain. | ||
| Yeah, yeah. | ||
| And they were mad. | ||
| Like, how dare you disrespect wrestling? | ||
| It's also like if you clothesline someone, that's going to hurt you. | ||
| No, no, no. | ||
| That's not true. | ||
| If someone 200 pounds hits me here, it's not going to hurt my shoulder? | ||
| No, no. | ||
| Okay, then I don't know what the fuck I'm talking about in this issue. | ||
| No, I'll fuck you up with a clothesline. | ||
| Dude, you're just hitting someone in the head with your forearm. | ||
| You could fuck somebody up with a clothesline. | ||
| Really? | ||
| 100%. | ||
| In the neck? | ||
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100%. | |
| But it's not going to hurt you? | ||
| No! | ||
| I mean, it might. | ||
|
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Okay. | |
| Look, every time you punch someone, you can break your hand. | ||
| Sure, sure. | ||
| But no, you can clothesline someone. | ||
| That shit's totally legit. | ||
| Not only that, people get KO'd from that all the time. | ||
| It's like a leg... | ||
| Like, if you kick someone in the neck, right? | ||
| Like, if someone gets neck kicked, they go out. | ||
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Right? | |
| Sure. | ||
| A lot of times. | ||
| You could do that with your arm. | ||
| Same thing. | ||
| Same motion. | ||
| Your shin is stronger, for sure, than your forearm. | ||
| But especially this way, see, there's two bones, right? | ||
| There's the ulnar and what's the... | ||
| Tibia, fibia? | ||
| No, that's your leg. | ||
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Okay. | |
| Tibia is, I broke the fibula, the smaller one. | ||
| Or the tibia, which one? | ||
| I broke the little one. | ||
| Which one's the big one? | ||
| Which one's your shin? | ||
| Your femur's the top, and then I think it's the tibia and the fibula. | ||
| I think it's the fibula I broke. | ||
| I broke the one... | ||
| What's that? | ||
| The tibia is the bigger one. | ||
| Yeah, I broke the smaller one once. | ||
| It was fucking gross. | ||
| It was really painful. | ||
| And they couldn't do anything about it. | ||
| It was just a hairline fracture. | ||
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Oh! | |
| See, that guy just got clotheslined by this dude. | ||
| Boom. | ||
| Okay, you're right. | ||
| That's a cop. | ||
| But the cop doesn't know how to land it. | ||
| Look, he went down with it, too. | ||
| He probably broke his fucking arm. | ||
| That's how you get fucked up. | ||
| That cop broke his arm. | ||
| See? | ||
| That cop's barely using his arm. | ||
| It definitely works out. | ||
| Okay. | ||
| Yeah, like in the UFC... Well, the thing is, like, my point was, I think the big... | ||
| Where's the big bone? | ||
| Where's the little bone? | ||
| I think in the front... | ||
| This happens all the time. | ||
| Guys get kicked and this bone breaks. | ||
| Well, actually, sometimes both of the bones break. | ||
| But with a spinning back fist, when they're landing it, a lot of times they're landing it with their forearm. | ||
| They're not landing it with the actual fist. | ||
| What about Randy Savage? | ||
| If you're jumping off the top rope on your elbow, won't you break your elbow or kill the person if you're landing on his neck? | ||
| You will hurt him for sure. | ||
| And you're slamming down the elbow, it's definitely got more force. | ||
| But when you're getting on top of someone, and you're smashing with elbows, which you can do in MMA, you can generate incredible amounts of force. | ||
| If you ever watch a guy work out on a heavy bag, where the heavy bag's on the ground, they work the ground and pound, just boom, boom! | ||
| I mean, you think about that being your fucking head, it's great. | ||
| And if you're 200 pounds, 250, jumping off a rope on an elbow at a small point, I would think that would... | ||
| I mean, break something in there. | ||
| It could. | ||
| It could just really hurt. | ||
| There's something not hitting him, though. | ||
| That's the part of the thing. | ||
| He doesn't hit him. | ||
| Right, sure. | ||
| But if that were for real... | ||
| But just that, first of all, the reality is just that alone. | ||
| I mean, even though he only, like, bounces off of him a little bit. | ||
| Yeah, he's just got it down where he lands first with the feet. | ||
| If you watch the impact... | ||
| If you slow it down, the feet land first, and then he's absorbing all of it, and he lands the side of his body on the guy's chest. | ||
| But it's a secondary impact. | ||
| Boom, see? | ||
| It's like one, two. | ||
| It's like one, two, and he doesn't hit him that hard. | ||
| But he hits him hard enough that it sucks. | ||
| It ain't fun to be a wrestler. | ||
| It's a tough gig. | ||
| But that shit would work. | ||
| Clotheslining someone would work. | ||
| It's just not ideal. | ||
| The ideal thing to do is just palm them in the face. | ||
| If you could clothesline them, you could also just palm them in the face. | ||
| The good thing about the palm in the face is that, first of all, it's extremely difficult to break your palm. | ||
| Like this, think about what you can do. | ||
| This is an oak table, and I'm slamming my hand into it. | ||
| I have no pain at all. | ||
| You can't do that with any other part of your body. | ||
| You can't kick it like that with your shin. | ||
| You know, you can't punch it like that with your knuckles. | ||
| Even your elbow kind of hurts more than your palm. | ||
| The palm, you can really fucking smack that. | ||
| Well, here you've got the funny bone, too. | ||
| Yes. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| But you could fuck somebody up with an elbow, though. | ||
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Sure. | |
| Like, in Muay Thai, it's one of the eight points of contact. | ||
| A palm strike. | ||
| If someone's charging out, you just smack them. | ||
| You could have a tremendous impact on your hand and still get away with it and knock someone out. | ||
| John Hackleman, who is Chuck Liddell's former trainer, trainer of... | ||
| Actually, current trainer, if he still works out. | ||
| Trainer of Glover Teixeira, just one of the best guys in MMA. He has these little videos on his Instagram. | ||
| I think it's The Pit. | ||
| Pitmaster on Instagram talking about street self-defense things and he's always advocating hitting people with your palm. | ||
| People break their hands all the time. | ||
| Isn't that the whole thing? | ||
| Hit them in the nose to kind of... | ||
| That's not real. | ||
| That's not real? | ||
| The idea of drive the bone up to the brain. | ||
| You'll break their nose. | ||
| Not that you're going to kill them, but that's the easiest self-defense. | ||
| Hit him anywhere, even the side of the head. | ||
| But the idea is hitting him with the palm. | ||
| I thought you were going to say, when I said that's not real. | ||
| There was one where kids, it was like a karate movie. | ||
| The guy would hit the palm up to the nose, the nose bone would go into the brain, it would kill someone. | ||
| That happened in like a Seagal movie. | ||
| Smash him in the nose. | ||
| I thought you were going to say that. | ||
| But the idea is that you could just, without worry of consequences, you could palm strike someone in the face like really hard and never break your hand. | ||
| A regular person throwing a punch, you have a real good chance of breaking your hand. | ||
| Okay. | ||
| Real good chance. | ||
| Like if you crack someone in the forehead, most likely you're going to break your hand or your wrist or something else. | ||
| But with your palms, you could just fucking waylay somebody. | ||
| You could smack the shit out of somebody with your palms. | ||
| But then you look kind of silly. | ||
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You do it. | |
| There was an organization, an MMA organization back in the early days called Pancrase. | ||
| I think they might be still around, but they have modified rules. | ||
| But at Pancrase, back in the day, they wore wrestling shoes with shin pads, and they wore little tiny speedos, and they would smack each other with their hands. | ||
| So they would kick and punch and do submission techniques. | ||
| was fairly crude in comparison to today's mma but we got to see a lot of leg locks back then and there was there was some fishy fights too but my point is like boss rootin was the first guy who figured out how to really fuck people up with palm strikes and what he did is he has really flexible wrists he's a badass striker So he learned how to pull his hands way back, and he would just throw them like punches. | ||
| He would just do the same motions that he would do with a punch, but just smash guys with his palms. | ||
| And he was lighting people up like a Christmas tree in Pancrase with that. | ||
| It's horrific to watch. | ||
| He KO'd a bunch of people with his palms. | ||
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Huh. | |
| See if you watch Boss Root and KO... Put Boss Root and KO's Funaki. | ||
| He KO'd Funaki, who is like an elite... | ||
| MMA fighter. | ||
| He was Hickson Gracie's last opponent when Hickson was fighting MMA. But Funaki, I think, started out in Pank Race and Boss Root and KO'd him. | ||
| And the way he KO'd him was like a punch, but he was doing it with his palms and just smashing people. | ||
| It's just like, your hand... | ||
| Like, there's a lot of things you think wouldn't work. | ||
| Clothesline's one of them. | ||
| That shit would work. | ||
| Okay. | ||
| That's my point. | ||
| Not the honky-tonk band's move, though. | ||
| What's the honky-tonk? | ||
| The shake, rattle, and roll, and he just flips him on his back. | ||
| It's like, why does this even hurt? | ||
| You don't remember this? | ||
| You didn't watch wrestling in the 80s? | ||
| No. | ||
| Well, how about the DDT? Here. | ||
| So here's Boss. | ||
| Look at that knee. | ||
| He KO'd him with the knee. | ||
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Oh, my God, that face. | |
| Yeah, but back up before that. | ||
| Back up before that. | ||
| Here. | ||
| Watch how he's hitting him. | ||
| Boss was a fucking gorilla back then. | ||
| Look at the sides of him. | ||
| He's smacking the shit out of him. | ||
| See how he's hitting him with his hands? | ||
| He's throwing him like punches, but his knee is what did it. | ||
| Boom! | ||
| Yeah, Boss was a beast, man. | ||
| He was a fucking beast. | ||
| He was probably the first really elite striker that we saw in MMA. Where you're like, whoa. | ||
| Like, this is what can happen. | ||
| Like, when he was kicking people in Pancras, everybody was like, whoa. | ||
| Like, this guy can fucking kick. | ||
| Like, you're seeing a lot of guys who were kicking that were kind of like karate-based. | ||
| Yeah, yeah. | ||
| Maybe they didn't have as much power. | ||
| But Bas was, he was a Dutch kickbox. | ||
| He was smashing people. | ||
| Boom! | ||
| He looked scary as shit, too. | ||
| Oh, he was a bad motherfucker. | ||
| Bad motherfucker. | ||
| He won the UFC heavyweight title. | ||
| He was the first guy ever, I think, in my recollection, to win a title off of his back from strikes. | ||
| He fought Kevin Randleman. | ||
| Kevin Randleman, as a badass wrestler, kept taking him down. | ||
| And Boss was beating the shit out of him from the bottom, throwing elbows. | ||
| And they gave him a decision, which a lot of people disagreed with. | ||
| But I was like, man, you look at the volume of strikes landed. | ||
| Boss landed way more. | ||
| Just being on top is not good enough. | ||
| You have to actually do something with the position. | ||
| Huh. | ||
| Okay. | ||
| This is not a subject I'm an expert in. | ||
| Yeah, yeah, yeah. | ||
| Yeah, this is the old school body kick. | ||
| Oh, fuck. | ||
| Fucked people up, man! | ||
| Boss Rootin' was no joke, man. | ||
| Dude, he was fucking people up. | ||
| Nobody had seen anything like that. | ||
| Those guys just couldn't strike like that. | ||
| They didn't have that kind of power. | ||
| But then, like all things, it caught up. | ||
| Yeah, yeah. | ||
| Oh, good lord. | ||
| In the UFC, then they got... | ||
| There was some elite fighters that started showing up in the UFC. Orlando Veet. | ||
| Smashing Machine? | ||
| Mark Kerr? | ||
| Mark Kerr, yeah. | ||
| He was different, man. | ||
| He was a wrestler. | ||
| He was a wrestler slash science project. | ||
| Yeah, he was juiced up real good. | ||
| Oh my god. | ||
| That's to put it mildly. | ||
| It was a great documentary. | ||
| Yeah, The Smashing Machine. | ||
| Oh, you saw it? | ||
| Yeah, yeah. | ||
| It's amazing. | ||
| They caught him. | ||
| They were... | ||
| That documentary, the purpose of it was initially to catch him... | ||
| As the scariest fighter on the planet. | ||
| This guy who was just this Goliath, who was just dominating people in Japan. | ||
| But in the process of documenting it, he was falling apart. | ||
| That's him when he was at his biggest. | ||
| His neck would start at his ears, man. | ||
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The size of him! | |
| And he was very skillful as well. | ||
| I mean, just really good wrestler. | ||
| He was an All-American wrestler before that, right? | ||
| Elite wrestler. | ||
| And just gigantic. | ||
| Look at that upper left-hand picture. | ||
| Upper left. | ||
| Look at that one. | ||
| It's the same one. | ||
| Yeah, but click on that. | ||
| That's the one I started with. | ||
| No, why is it? | ||
| No, that's different. | ||
| It's very different. | ||
| It's the same photo. | ||
| No, it's not. | ||
| It's just different effects. | ||
| Same exact photo. | ||
| Yeah, but look at that one. | ||
| That one looks like shit. | ||
| Go to the other one again. | ||
| That's a different version of it. | ||
| Look at the fucking... | ||
| Jesus Christ! | ||
| That is insane. | ||
| The fact that a person could get to look like that, that is insane. | ||
| There's guys that look like that at my gym. | ||
| Fuck you all at Harvard Fitness who are listening to this show in the locker room while my scrawny ass is right there and you don't even notice me. | ||
| You wonder what it's like walking around looking like that. | ||
| Well, you could find out if you took all those same steroids. | ||
| Yeah, but they're also like six, you know. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| You'd be a mini version of that. | ||
| Yeah, I'd be, yeah. | ||
| Like Lee Priest, yeah. | ||
| Do you lift weights? | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| What kind of shit do you do? | ||
| I have a split six days a week. | ||
| Do you have a trainer? | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| Oh, look at you. | ||
| Michael Wolff. | ||
| Shout out to Michael Wolff. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| He's like a deadlift guy. | ||
| Oh, he's a deadlift guy. | ||
| But it's also important for me psychologically. | ||
| And for people who are depressed or anxious, I sometimes have a lot of downtime. | ||
| So if I go to the gym, I can tell my brain, I'm objectively a better person than yesterday, and I did something today. | ||
| So it really helps with keeping you mentally grounded. | ||
| I'm never going to get jacked, but I learned this from Matt Hughes. | ||
| Matt Hughes is the first one to take me to the gym. | ||
| Really? | ||
| Matt Hughes was the first one to take you to a gym? | ||
| Yeah, I co-authored his book. | ||
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Wow. | |
| And I realized I don't have to look like Mark Kerr. | ||
| I could still look like a better version of me. | ||
| Yes. | ||
| And when you have that realization, it's very liberating. | ||
| The mental health benefits are gigantic. | ||
| People need to realize that. | ||
| And the thing is, other people who are like really – like the first day I went, I was all nervous and I didn't know what I'm doing. | ||
| And there was a guy, I wish I could thank him. | ||
| He's like, are you done with this machine? | ||
| And I'm like, yeah. | ||
| He goes, thanks, brother. | ||
| I'm like, all right. | ||
| No one here is judging you. | ||
| Everyone's doing their own shit. | ||
| And if you're – You're happy you're working out. | ||
| And if you're fat, everyone's cheering you on. | ||
| Yeah, yeah, yeah. | ||
| They're like, fuck yeah. | ||
| You're getting it. | ||
| Good for you. | ||
| The opposite of what people would think. | ||
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| So no one cares. | ||
| I really recommend it. | ||
| Yeah, a lot of gyms have a good culture of support, a good culture of encouragement. | ||
| There's a reason why a lot of people that are on Instagram are... | ||
| fitness people that are also motivational yeah this is the culture of these communities like when you see people doing reps like come on come on you got it you got it you got it like that sort of support is it there's something to there's endorphins you get released when you're all pushing each other together i mean that's one of the big rushes of martial arts training is that you're pushing each other you work out together and then afterwards over you just everything seems to be more normal and everything seems more rational and | ||
| And I have people follow me on Twitter, Insta, like jack people, and they give me advice, and they're very supportive. | ||
| Yes. | ||
| And that's the real big misconception, I guess, from those movies. | ||
| The same rom-coms will tell you that the guy who's like a big guy is a bully, and sometimes he is, but most of the people who are like serious about fitness, they want other people to be like, come on, this will be great for you. | ||
| Yeah, I think most people's experience with bullies is really high school stuff, right? | ||
| It's like jocks in high school, and a lot of them are just, as we were saying, insecure. | ||
| And a lot of them are also probably, it's probably their experience at home from their dad. | ||
| And I think that's changed a lot, because thanks to the internet now, I think the jocks... | ||
| Respect the nerds a lot more. | ||
| When I was working with Hughes and I met all those fighters, they could not be friendlier or more like, hey, you're doing your thing. | ||
| I do my thing. | ||
| I can relate to that. | ||
| That's awesome. | ||
| So there was no, oh, look at this pussy or whatever like that. | ||
| Well, fighters are a lot nicer than people think. | ||
| Because they're so disciplined. | ||
| It's that for sure. | ||
| And they know what it's like to get their ass kicked. | ||
| And it's humbling. | ||
| Masoyama, who's a famous karate guy, he said it's not that fighters are any nicer. | ||
| Karatika, he was calling it. | ||
| Karate practitioners were any nicer. | ||
| It's just they're tired from training. | ||
| He might be right, but they do behave nicer because of that. | ||
| It's both. | ||
| But I think it's also, one of the things I love about the internet is that if you're doing your thing now, people respect someone else who's doing their own weird thing. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| As opposed to when we were kids, there'd be that one weirdo. | ||
| Like, I had this tweet. | ||
| There's two types of people, right? | ||
| If you learn someone is a guinea pig breeder, there's two approaches. | ||
| You're weird. | ||
| What the fuck's wrong with you? | ||
| Or sit down and tell me everything. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| And I'm very much... | ||
| And people who follow me are the second one. | ||
| It's like, you're doing your thing. | ||
| It gives you joy and passion. | ||
| I've never heard of it. | ||
| Let me know. | ||
| I want to know. | ||
| Dude, I watched an episode of Anthony Bourdain's old show. | ||
| It was called No Reservations. | ||
| And he was in... | ||
| I forget what country it was. | ||
| But these people bred guinea pigs for food. | ||
| Oh, yeah. | ||
| South America. | ||
| Yeah, they had guinea pigs running around the house. | ||
| Oh, they were all over the place. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| And then when they wanted to cook something, they reached out and grabbed a guinea pig, just picked it up and killed it. | ||
| Oh, yeah. | ||
| And cooked it. | ||
| And all the other guinea pigs didn't even fucking notice. | ||
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Oh, yeah. | |
| They're so domestic. | ||
| They don't notice. | ||
| They're really dumb. | ||
| But they don't – it's a good argument for eating guinea pigs. | ||
| It's like they don't seem to miss their friend. | ||
| I just got – someone just PayPal'd me a contribution, 300 bucks, Adam. | ||
| And he says, go out to dinner or buy something stupid. | ||
| So you bought a guinea pig? | ||
| Hold on. | ||
| No, better. | ||
| If someone says this is for stupid things, I'm like, all right, it's an order. | ||
| It's your money. | ||
| So I bought some stupid things. | ||
| I'm going to give you some money. | ||
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I got this. | |
| And I'm like, elephant is unethical. | ||
| They recognize themselves in mirror. | ||
| They have a social structure. | ||
| This is giraffe. | ||
| It's stupid. | ||
| I got a giraffe leather wallet. | ||
| Let me see that. | ||
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Here you go. | |
| But it's nice, and it's stupid. | ||
| Giraffes are so nice. | ||
| They're dumb. | ||
| They're like cows. | ||
| Are they dumb or are they just docile? | ||
| No, they're dumb. | ||
| They're dumb. | ||
| Are you sure? | ||
| I'm positive. | ||
| My friend's parents each own a zoo, and I've gone with him to different zoos. | ||
| Giraffes are very dumb. | ||
| But they're so peaceful that they let little kids feed them at the zoo. | ||
| That's one of the only animals where they let people feed them. | ||
| That's true. | ||
| And they just reach out with their tongue. | ||
| I'll never forget that. | ||
| My daughter was like two, taking her to the zoo, and her giggling and laughing when the big crazy tongue comes out and grabs the lettuce. | ||
| They can clean their ears with their tongue. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| That was a joke that I used to have about how they're the only animal that I could point to that's a wild animal that doesn't seem to have any problem with domestication. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| When they're at the zoo, they're like, another day with no lions and just strolling around. | ||
| Did you ever see that blue planet where the lions are trying to kill the giraffe in the desert and he's just kicking him in the face? | ||
| Dude, they kick him and break their fucking jaws. | ||
| They're no joke. | ||
| It's really dangerous for lions when they fuck with zebras or giraffe zebras as well. | ||
| But whenever they fuck with any animal with hooves, that's probably one of the reasons why they have hooves. | ||
| It's like a weapon, same like they have antlers. | ||
| I mean, it certainly helps them traverse difficult terrain and helps them run and protects their feet. | ||
| Where do you draw the line when it comes to like leather or different animals? | ||
| It's a good question. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| I've gotten very, very interested in elephants, you know, in terms of like their social structure and what they're like and learning about how intelligent they are and how long their memory is. | ||
| And I don't want to have anything to do with elephant leather. | ||
| Or ivory, unless it's pre-band. | ||
| I bought a cue a long time ago that had elephant ear as a wrap. | ||
| Okay. | ||
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Yeah. | |
| And I didn't think anything of it, but now I think, like, ooh. | ||
| Yeah, that's my line. | ||
| Like, they have elephant wallets, and I was like, no, I'm not comfortable with this. | ||
| But here's the thing, man. | ||
| Pigs are super fucking smart. | ||
| Pigs are real sweet, and when you domesticate them, like, people have domesticated pigs that, as long as they're well-fed, they behave a lot like dogs. | ||
| The only difference being, of course, if you fall in the pig pen, they will fucking eat you. | ||
| And they do, often. | ||
| That's a very common way for farmers to die. | ||
| They fall in the pig pen and they find scraps of clothes and like, oh my god, and just a puddle of blood, whatever the fuck is left. | ||
| Yeah, so now, thankfully, they're coming out with this kind of synthetic food, you know, the synthetic meat. | ||
| That mimics people? | ||
| No, that mimics pork or chicken. | ||
| It's not mimicking, it's actual chicken cells or pork cells or whatever. | ||
| Yes, yes, yes. | ||
| And that's going to be a great day. | ||
| Yeah, that brings me to the Beyond Burger that people keep... | ||
| Google this, because I want to make sure this is true. | ||
| Someone sent me this, I didn't have the time to check. | ||
| Beyond Meat tests positive for glyphosate. | ||
| What's glyphosate? | ||
| Glyphosate is Roundup. | ||
| Monsanto is very fucking dangerous. | ||
| They're trying to pretend it's not. | ||
| But meanwhile, they're dishing out fucking lawsuits. | ||
| One couple got, was it $2 billion? | ||
| They got a $2 billion ruling against Monsanto. | ||
| Another guy got $5 million. | ||
| But it's $2 billion because they got cancer from being pesticides. | ||
| I'm like, I'll drink that shit for $2 billion. | ||
| They got good lawyers. | ||
| They're probably going to lose. | ||
| I mean, that seems like a lot of money. | ||
| Yeah, of course. | ||
| But I was reading that it's a non-meat-based burger that's supposed to taste pretty similar to meat. | ||
| I haven't had one. | ||
| No, but what I'm saying is now they've figured out how to take cells and replicate them. | ||
| It actually is meat. | ||
| But it's ethically because no animal is being killed, which is the ideal. | ||
| I just wonder if it's dangerous for you. | ||
| But this glyphosate thing, I need to find out if this is correct. | ||
| That's the only reason why I brought it up. | ||
| I just remembered. | ||
| And I think it's important for people to have – this is one of the best things about that whole kind of paleo whole foods situation of know what – if you're going to act in a certain way towards your food, know what you're doing and be happy to draw that line about, okay, what are you comfortable with and defend your decision. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| What are you willing to kill? | ||
| My friend Chris Pratt, he's got a farm. | ||
| He's got his own thing that he does. | ||
| He takes lamb and he puts the rod on their head and puts them to sleep. | ||
| They have no idea what's going to happen and then they just die instantly. | ||
| He made this really detailed post on Instagram about it. | ||
| People got super upset with him. | ||
| You know, that he talked about this as a peaceful thing and that he has these animals that he loves and cares for and you see pictures of him like touching them and holding them and then later they're packaged up as meat. | ||
| And I'm like, but... | ||
| But if you saw just a steak, you wouldn't have a problem with it. | ||
| Like if someone said, look, I cooked this steak, you'd get a lot of people like, ooh, that looks good. | ||
| But if it's like, I killed this animal and now I'm going to cook it, people are like, you're a monster. | ||
| But everyone has to, other than getting hit by a car or something, people have to put down their dogs and their cats. | ||
| So maybe this is not, and that lamb is being bred for that purpose. | ||
| And it's being done painlessly. | ||
| That's the important thing. | ||
| And I'm sure that lamb had a good life, and it wasn't a factory-crowded, shoulder-to-shoulder existence of torture situation. | ||
| Yeah, I'm sure, but it's a very quick life. | ||
| You know, a lamb is a baby. | ||
| Sure. | ||
| Lamb's a baby sheep. | ||
| But nature's about us eating babies. | ||
| Yeah, I haven't had mutton. | ||
| I haven't had, like, a sheep-sheep. | ||
| That's such a British thing, and it's always in these old storybooks you'd read, but now I don't think sheep become adult unless they're for their hair. | ||
| Well, I've had wild sheep. | ||
| My friend Remy, Remy Warren, he gave me some wild sheep backstrap. | ||
| It was very good. | ||
| Some wild sheep that he killed. | ||
| While I'm here, I'm going to try hagfish. | ||
| Have you ever had that? | ||
| That's that weird fucking slimy thing? | ||
| Yeah, at the bottom of the ocean. | ||
| How do they cook that? | ||
| It's Korean barbecue. | ||
| Really? | ||
| There's one place here that has it. | ||
| Oh, like super legit Korean barbecue. | ||
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Yeah, yeah, yeah. | |
| They're cooking hagfish. | ||
| Yeah, well I'm cooking it I guess technically. | ||
| What does it taste like? | ||
| I haven't tried it yet. | ||
| I can't wait. | ||
| What's the reports? | ||
| Uh, not that good. | ||
| I'm not surprised. | ||
| Please sign me up. | ||
| Well, since I have a zoology background, I'm like Noah, but I want to eat two of every animal. | ||
| Have you had jellyfish yet? | ||
| I haven't. | ||
| It's tasteless. | ||
| It's weird, right? | ||
| It's like plastic. | ||
| It's the sauce that has a taste. | ||
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It's crunchy. | |
| It's strange. | ||
| I ate at a restaurant that's in the Wynn. | ||
| Yeah, it's in the Wynn. | ||
| And it's the only five-star Chinese restaurant in the country, or in North America. | ||
| It was insanely good. | ||
| You realize, wow, it's true. | ||
| You don't see a whole lot of gourmet, super high-end Chinese restaurants. | ||
| Did you have anything weird there? | ||
| Yeah, I had that. | ||
| I had jellyfish. | ||
| Sea cucumber? | ||
| No, I didn't have that. | ||
| I had abalone. | ||
| That was not that tasty. | ||
| A lot of times it's like credit cards, abalone. | ||
| It wasn't that tasty. | ||
| I've had abalone before and I liked it. | ||
| I like it. | ||
| I don't love it. | ||
| It's expensive too. | ||
| What do you got, Jamie? | ||
| So, from a couple articles I just found, the issue seems to be in pea protein, which is what is used to make these burgers. | ||
| And what I found about what you were saying is the Impossible Burger actually tested 11 times higher when tested. | ||
| For glyphosate, then they'd be on meat burger, which is, there's two different versions of what's available. | ||
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Wait, wait, wait. | |
| I eat pea protein protein chips every day. | ||
| Is that a problem? | ||
| So, there's an article I found. | ||
| I bet you're getting some glyphosate. | ||
| What does that mean? | ||
| It's not good. | ||
| It says pea protein could have its own concerns. | ||
| The Detox Project, a research organization looking into pesticides of glyphosate, has been looking into it for over a year. | ||
| It says that there is an issue. | ||
| We can hardly find a clean protein anywhere. | ||
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It says... | |
| The results like those for other products tested for the popular pesticides aren't pretty. | ||
| We can hardly find a clean pea protein source anywhere. | ||
| Jesus Christ, it's all got glyphosate. | ||
| But I still don't know what glyphosate does to me. | ||
| Okay, glyphosate, this is the idea, okay? | ||
| And please Google this because the argument was glyphosate is great because it just kills the weeds and bacteria and it doesn't kill people. | ||
| You can actually drink it. | ||
| But the problem they're saying is, no, no, no. | ||
| You have bacteria in your body. | ||
| So if you're taking in glyphosate, you're killing the bacteria in your body. | ||
| It might not kill you, but it's not good for you and it fucks up your system. | ||
| Okay. | ||
| This is the argument, I guess, that they use to present in court. | ||
| They must have used this to get the jury to award them $2 billion in damage. | ||
| Cancer. | ||
| That's not a good word. | ||
| Monsanto parent company Bayer faces thousands of Roundup cancer cases after $2 billion verdict. | ||
| 13,000 cases right now. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| Listen, man. | ||
| This thing... | ||
| I don't know. | ||
| See, this is the problem. | ||
| First of all, I'm a moron. | ||
| I don't know anything about any of the science behind this. | ||
| When I read this, I see two different camps. | ||
| Sure. | ||
| Just like so many other things. | ||
| I see people saying there's no evidence. | ||
| This is just... | ||
| They're all hysteria. | ||
| But is that... | ||
| The people that work for Bayer? | ||
| Is that like their PR firm that's putting this out there to try to alleviate people's concerns and stop some lawsuits in their tracks? | ||
| Are they trying to influence public opinion on this? | ||
| Or is there real science that shows that this stuff is very bad for you? | ||
| But there's definitely a bunch of people online that are telling you that it's horrible for you. | ||
| Here, exposure to glyphosate-based herbicides and a risk for non-Hodgkin's lymphoma, a meta-analysis and supporting evidence. | ||
| I don't want to switch off my pea protein. | ||
| That ain't good, bro. | ||
| Just switch to hemp. | ||
| Hemp protein? | ||
| But that should get tested, too. | ||
| What am I saying? | ||
| Just start eating steak. | ||
| I can't. | ||
| It's hard for me to eat that much. | ||
| What's the problem, bro? | ||
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What's the problem? | |
| Do you know who David Frank is? | ||
| That was the most show-broken thing that's ever happened. | ||
| Do you know who David Frank is? | ||
| I don't. | ||
| Is that his name? | ||
| Hold on. | ||
| I'll send it to you, Jamie. | ||
| There's a fucking hilarious guy who is this big steroided up bodybuilder dude that's also very, very funny. | ||
| Okay. | ||
| You see the one that does the bro science videos? | ||
| He's very – Bro life. | ||
| He's always talking like this. | ||
| Let me find his – Is he going to get me all swole? | ||
| I sent it to these guys, to my – I have a fight companion Twitter feed. | ||
| That's going... | ||
| Not Twitter feed. | ||
| Text message. | ||
| Group text. | ||
| Here it is. | ||
| Robert Frank. | ||
| Hold on a second. | ||
| Abortion? | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| Here, I'm going to send this to you. | ||
| Hang on a second. | ||
| Do you know what it is, Jamie? | ||
| Robert Frank 615. It's private. | ||
| It is? | ||
| Oh, no. | ||
| Oh, so he's got to sign up? | ||
| He's got a million followers, but I don't follow him. | ||
| Oh, it's one of them deals. | ||
| Because he says a lot of crazy shit. | ||
| Alright, so how long does it take? | ||
| Okay. | ||
| Hold on a second. | ||
| I'm going to text it to you right now. | ||
| How long does it usually take for those people? | ||
| They have to be either one of those dorks that's sitting in front of their computer or someone's doing it for you. | ||
| Yeah, he must have allowed me in. | ||
| Alright, I'm sending it to you right now. | ||
| Bam. | ||
| Okay. | ||
| It went through. | ||
| Did you go through it? | ||
| Anyway, it's hilarious. | ||
| We'll take it out in post. | ||
| It's hilarious. | ||
| There's no taking anything out in post. | ||
| We're lazy. | ||
| No need to try to make it smoother. | ||
| It's hard to put the calories down, though, is my point. | ||
| No, it's not. | ||
| Open your mouth. | ||
| Chew. | ||
| Swallow. | ||
| What are you, baby? | ||
| Your grandfather would have died for a steak like this. | ||
| Jesus Christ. | ||
| Listen to yourself. | ||
| You're saying all the shit that you would get mad at people if they were saying about any other subject. | ||
| It's hard. | ||
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It's hard. | |
| It's hard to eat all that food. | ||
| It's hard. | ||
| It's hard to get by in this world. | ||
| It's hard. | ||
| It's hard. | ||
| It's hard to get up every morning. | ||
| It's hard. | ||
| I work hard. | ||
| I work hard. | ||
| How fucking hard is it to eat steak? | ||
| Look at me, bro. | ||
| Just eat it. | ||
| Cook it. | ||
| Eat it. | ||
| Put some salt on it. | ||
| Delicious. | ||
| Maybe you like some steak sauce. | ||
| Do whatever you gotta do to get that steak down your stomach, sir. | ||
| Get some grass-fed. | ||
| Grass-fed. | ||
| Grass-fed, grass-raised. | ||
| It's got a darker, richer taste. | ||
| It seems like a lot of work. | ||
| Grass-fed? | ||
| No, just cooking steaks all the time. | ||
| It's not that hard. | ||
| You learn how to do it. | ||
| It's easy. | ||
| Is it? | ||
| Get yourself a nice grill. | ||
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All right. | |
| I'm in Brooklyn now. | ||
| You're in Brooklyn. | ||
| You got a yard? | ||
| No. | ||
| No. | ||
| Oh! | ||
| I'm in Brooklyn. | ||
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Come on. | |
| Okay. | ||
| You got a cast iron skillet? | ||
| I can get one. | ||
| That's all you need. | ||
| It's not going to stink up my house? | ||
| Yeah, it'll stink up your house. | ||
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Okay. | |
| Your house is going to smell like a steak. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| Like a man's house. | ||
| Okay. | ||
| Smell good. | ||
| People will be like, Jesus, that Michael's living good. | ||
| He's got the steak life. | ||
| He'll be knocking on your doors. | ||
| Is that butcher box, bro? | ||
| Is that grass-fed? | ||
| Just cut it for me. | ||
| Let me see what you got. | ||
| You got medium rare? | ||
| Oh, yeah. | ||
| Kosher salt? | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| Well, I gotta be kosher, Joe. | ||
| It's thicker. | ||
| That's what I use. | ||
| I like the pyramid salt. | ||
| What's that? | ||
| It's shaped like a pyramid of crystals. | ||
| Really? | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| They do it a certain way. | ||
| No. | ||
| It's crunchier. | ||
| If you're going to cook a steak like a man correctly, you need kosher salt. | ||
| Okay. | ||
| How much grams of protein are in a steak? | ||
| A lot. | ||
| That's all you need to know. | ||
| Just shove it down your fucking mouth. | ||
| I follow my macros every day. | ||
| Oh, are you really getting serious about that? | ||
| I've always been, because I have an eating disorder, so this is a way to put that in a good direction. | ||
| Yeah, you'd have to look. | ||
| I mean, it's certainly more for wild game, which is mostly what I eat, than it is for... | ||
| Sure. | ||
| guarantee you that there's more nutrients in grass-fed meat i don't know if there's more protein that doesn't seem to make sense but if you look at like it could be more protein because they might be less fat yeah or whatever but more fat yes that's true too of course it would be more protein if it was leaner yeah for the same amount of ounces yeah but there's also um a bunch of other shit mTOR and essential fatty acids that exist in grass-fed meat It's all good stuff. | ||
| Okay. | ||
| Let's get some steak. | ||
| Let's stop with the pea protein, bro. | ||
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Okay. | |
| Sorry, prots. | ||
| I'm not eating your pea protein. | ||
| They might be fucking you up, man. | ||
| I wonder. | ||
| I wonder how many people are getting... | ||
| What are the dangers of consuming glyphosate other than non-Hodgkin's lymphoma? | ||
| Maybe this is what you're seeing over and over in people. | ||
| It better not kill my gains. | ||
| There was... | ||
| My gains! | ||
| I don't think pea protein is helping your gains. | ||
| There's something about knowing that you're getting all your protein from peas. | ||
| Not all of it. | ||
| Some of it. | ||
| 60 grams a day. | ||
| What do you got, James? | ||
| An endocrine disruptor. | ||
| Oh, that shit's no joke. | ||
| That's what glyphosate has? | ||
| Oh, fuck. | ||
| Liver disease, birth defects, reproductive problems in animals. | ||
| Oh, Christ. | ||
| Where is this from? | ||
| I just typed in dangers of glyphosate from the USRTK. I don't know what that is. | ||
| Pull up whatever USRTK is. | ||
| Fine, it might be horseshit. | ||
| It's a.org. | ||
| US Right to Know. | ||
| Right to Know. | ||
| That sounds sketchy. | ||
| That still doesn't mean anything. | ||
| What is that based on? | ||
| This does not look legitimate. | ||
| Look at that top news on the right. | ||
| Trial for Monsanto, hometown. | ||
| It's all Monsanto. | ||
| Everything's Monsanto. | ||
| This is not legitimate. | ||
| This is just news stories from today. | ||
| They're all over the news. | ||
| Right, but you've got to be careful. | ||
| This is not real. | ||
| This story, though, look at all the top news. | ||
| It's all Monsanto. | ||
| Click on their contact. | ||
| I bet you it's just some... | ||
| It should have a... | ||
| Some dude. | ||
| GMOs. | ||
| GMOs. | ||
| What is it? | ||
| Our litigation. | ||
| Oh, they're litigating. | ||
| This is from the lawyers. | ||
| Could be. | ||
| This is from the lawyers. | ||
| Pushing for truth and transparency. | ||
| Yeah, this is the lawyers. | ||
| Yeah, the food system. | ||
| This is, listen, if there are two billion dollar rulings, you can bet your sweet ass that there's people that are swarming on this subject. | ||
| What would be a better source of information? | ||
| I don't know, man. | ||
| That's a good question. | ||
| What do we got here? | ||
| Alex. | ||
| Let's call Alex. | ||
| Alex Jones. | ||
| He'll know. | ||
| I don't know if he's up on food stuff. | ||
| He knew about the plastic wrap that raises your estrogen. | ||
| Oh, the ones that make the frogs gay? | ||
| The juice box that makes people gay. | ||
| Scientific American? | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| Okay, that sounds good. | ||
| That's good. | ||
| 2009? | ||
| Weed whacking herbicide proves deadly to human cells. | ||
| Used in gardens, farms, and parks around the world, the weed killer Roundup contains an ingredient that can suffocate human cells in a laboratory. | ||
| Researchers say, yeah. | ||
| So we'll kill my gains if it's suffocating my cells. | ||
| Fuck that. | ||
| Whatever that is, whatever has that on it, fuck that stuff. | ||
| Okay, I'm going to go to a more way then. | ||
| Just carnivore diet. | ||
| That's your move. | ||
| Okay. | ||
| Like Jordan Peterson. | ||
| Jordan's on carnivore? | ||
| Yes. | ||
| Okay. | ||
| Over a year. | ||
| Huh. | ||
| It's helped him tremendously. | ||
| How so? | ||
| Well, first of all, intellectually, he says it's really alleviated a lot of his autoimmune issues that he thinks were slowing him down and wearing him out and making him tired, and he has more energy. | ||
| Okay. | ||
| He says he's at his peak intellectually, and he credits a lot of that through this diet. | ||
| He's lost 50 pounds. | ||
| All he eats is meat. | ||
| When I'm saying all he eats is meat, I mean that's it. | ||
| What about fiber and stuff? | ||
| There's none. | ||
| He doesn't have any of that. | ||
| He drinks water, and he eats meat. | ||
| And for the people, oh, I heard this, I heard that. | ||
| Okay, you know what else I heard? | ||
| I heard that the food pyramid was all green at the bottom, and that's not the case anymore. | ||
| There's a lot of shit. | ||
| And I'm not saying this is for everybody, because it's not for everybody. | ||
| It's not even good for everybody. | ||
| There's a lot of people, if they ate meat every day, all day, it'd probably be terrible for them. | ||
| But for some people... | ||
| It seems that particularly people with autoimmune disorders, they achieve, at least anecdotally, some really positive results. | ||
| Jordan Peterson has gone as far as to take, I think he took three blood tests when he had one year in for insurance purposes and much of the things. | ||
| Because, you know, obviously you're going to insure a guy who's 55 years old just eats steak all the time. | ||
| Like, oh my god, this guy's going to die. | ||
| No, everything's fine. | ||
| Everything's healthy. | ||
| No coronary artery disease, no plaque, no... | ||
| Cholesterol levels are all fine. | ||
| Everything's fine. | ||
| This sounds like it would be exorbitant though. | ||
| Financially? | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| Maybe. | ||
| Not the cheapest way to eat in the world. | ||
| I mean, you can get Costco steaks. | ||
| You can get... | ||
| Some supermarkets have cheaper cuts. | ||
| It really depends on what... | ||
| You know, you could also eat just ground beef. | ||
| That's not as bad. | ||
| You don't eat as much. | ||
| And that's one of the reasons why when you're on what they call an elimination diet... | ||
| One of the cool things, you eliminate basically everything that might be fucking with you except the one thing that you can consume easily, and this is one of the things they're calling the carnivore diet, an elimination diet. | ||
| When you do, you wind up eating less food, which is one of the reasons why these people just eat steak and wind up losing weight. | ||
| They don't take in any carbs at all. | ||
| So it's basically also kind of Atkins if they're not taking a carb. | ||
| Sort of, but there's a thing called glucogenesis and not necessarily sort of Atkins but sort of keto. | ||
| But it's more Atkins than keto. | ||
| And that Atkins diet works. | ||
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Oh yeah, it does. | |
| I did it. | ||
| If you stick to it, it does work. | ||
| It will lose weight. | ||
| And when your pee starts to smell, it's great. | ||
| That's when you know the party started. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| You're in ketogenesis. | ||
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It's great. | |
| Or ketosis. | ||
| Ketosis. | ||
| And when you're in ketosis, man, you really do have energy throughout the day because your body's not craving carbohydrates, so you don't have this up and down blood sugar crash. | ||
| The thing about the carnivore diet is it's not even ketogenic, really. | ||
| I mean, you're in ketosis sometimes, but you're not eating that much fat. | ||
| You're just eating a lot of meat and a lot of it with fat, some of it without fat. | ||
| I thought ketosis is when you have no carbs. | ||
| It's not a function of fat. | ||
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No. | |
| Here's why. | ||
| Okay. | ||
| Because when your body eats a lot of steak and you don't have any carbohydrates, your body does something called glucogenesis, where it'll convert steak into glucose. | ||
| So it'll actually convert protein into glucose. | ||
| Okay. | ||
| And it'll actually knock you out of ketosis if you take in too much protein and not enough fat. | ||
| Okay. | ||
| Oh, it's got a proportion. | ||
| Ketosis is, I think, somewhere in the 80% range. | ||
| You should be consuming... | ||
| 80% of your calories are from fats. | ||
| You'd be kind of amazed and actually can fuck with some people's gains if they don't think they're getting enough protein because they're getting a lot of fat and a smaller amount of protein, like less grams of protein. | ||
| It might not be ideal in terms of physical performance for athletes, they think. | ||
| But when you do do that and you just eat steak, your body says, alright, this asshole doesn't want to eat apples. | ||
| You know, we have to figure out how to get our carbs. | ||
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Yeah. | |
| And we have to figure out how to get our sugar. | ||
| So we're just going to get it through the steak. | ||
| Huh. | ||
| Okay. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| It's a weird thing. | ||
| Some people are unaware of that, but your body literally produces, it turns protein into like a glucose substitute. | ||
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Okay. | |
| Or glucose. | ||
| Actual glucose. | ||
| It's glucogenesis. | ||
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Hmm. | |
| Yeah, you can do it. | ||
| I've done it for several days. | ||
| I've never done it for long periods of time, but I wanted to try it when they were doing National Carnivore Month. | ||
| People are so into it. | ||
| Carnivore diet is a lot like the vegan diet. | ||
| They can't shut the fuck up about being a carnivore. | ||
| My buddy Michael Goldstein, who's the first person I know who's about Bitcoin, that Bitcoin, Bitcoin, Bitcoin. | ||
| Same thing with carnivore. | ||
| Carnivore, carnivore, carnivore. | ||
| It's like, alright. | ||
| So I tried it for a couple of weeks. | ||
| I think I went from close to two weeks. | ||
| And after a while, I was like, Jesus Christ, I just want to eat regular foods. | ||
| I'm not joking. | ||
| I would think you'll be a problem with getting it stuck in your teeth all the time. | ||
| No, you just brush your teeth. | ||
| What are you, disgusting? | ||
| What's wrong with you? | ||
| Do you have a toothpick at home? | ||
| Excuse me, I have every flavor of Marvis on my shelf right now. | ||
| What is Marvis? | ||
| Oh, interesting. | ||
| Now who doesn't know about tooth care? | ||
| What's Marvis? | ||
| Marvis is the Italian toothpaste brand. | ||
| It looks really cool, although the flavors are so far. | ||
| The point is, brushing your teeth is not going to get stuck in between your teeth. | ||
| That's not going to help. | ||
| Flossing. | ||
| Yeah, you're going to be after flossing all the time. | ||
| Or just bite off bigger chunks like a man. | ||
| Just swallow it. | ||
| Can I tell you a story about this? | ||
| This just happened to me. | ||
| And this is when I realized that most people, there's no mind there. | ||
| I am at a buffet. | ||
| I'm eating steak. | ||
| I was eating steak. | ||
| Congratulations. | ||
| It gets stuck in my throat. | ||
| I'm like, alright, it's just too big a piece. | ||
| I'll just wash it down. | ||
| It's not going anywhere. | ||
| And I realize I'm choking. | ||
| And it was a very scary situation in the sense that mentally I knew there is a percent chance that I'm going to die. | ||
| Did you try to throw up? | ||
| Hold on, hold on. | ||
| Let me tell the story, Joe Rogan. | ||
| So I'm sitting there, I'm like, holy shit, I'm choking. | ||
| And I'm like, alright. | ||
| I was calm, but I'm like, your life is currently in danger. | ||
| And there's three people at the next table, two women in their 50s, a guy in their 60s. | ||
| I go up to them, and I'm like, I know what to do, because I was at school. | ||
| And I go to them, and I go, I'm choking. | ||
| And I did the hand motion. | ||
| And I make eye contact with each of them. | ||
| No affect on their face. | ||
| And I'm like, at the very least, you have a crazy person coming up to your table doing a neck motion. | ||
| Were you in New York? | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| That's the problem. | ||
| People are desensitized. | ||
| I did this to myself and it shot out. | ||
| How'd you do it to yourself? | ||
| Show me how. | ||
| I just did this. | ||
| And I coughed. | ||
| I don't know if it was the cough or whatever. | ||
| It popped out and all the liquid too after it. | ||
| And I go to them, I go, I was just choking. | ||
| And they're like, oh, well you should chew your food better. | ||
| I'm like, someone was just choking. | ||
| Who the fuck said that to you? | ||
| One of the ladies. | ||
| You should get that lady's name. | ||
| She doesn't have a name because there's not a human being there. | ||
| There's no mind. | ||
| And I'm like, holy shit, if I saw this happen and I didn't help, I would be like, oh my god, holy shit, are you okay? | ||
| It was like, oh, you should chew your food. | ||
| You're not a soul. | ||
| How old was this lady? | ||
| In her 50s. | ||
| Somebody probably just treated her bad, man. | ||
| Not bad enough. | ||
| Bad relationships. | ||
| It was scary. | ||
| The reaction was scarier than the choking. | ||
| Yeah, I would imagine. | ||
| Well, I think that's a really common thing with big cities, that sort of... | ||
| There's a diffusion of responsibility when there's so many people. | ||
| There's so many. | ||
| You don't feel responsible for this guy with his hands on his neck saying, I'm coughing. | ||
| Like, somebody else, go take... | ||
| Somebody handle this. | ||
| I gotta go to work. | ||
| I would be fine if they had shrugged and been like, yeah, whatever. | ||
| In a sense. | ||
| But there was no reaction. | ||
| She's probably so jaded. | ||
| So whoever you are, lady, I hope that things happen to you. | ||
| Fuck you. | ||
| I hope you go back in time and you have a better daddy and a better mommy and better friends. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| And you grow up to be a nice person. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| In her 50s, maybe she could be a yoga teacher. | ||
| She could have saved someone's life in her mind and be like, I saved someone's life today. | ||
| I'm going to heaven. | ||
| Yeah, maybe she thought you were nuts, and you were just trolling her. | ||
| But if I was nuts, you would think they'd pull back and be like, holy shit, there's a crazy person at our table. | ||
| Maybe it's because of your troll-like way. | ||
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This is a lesson. | |
| The universe has sent your way. | ||
| You're the boy who cried wolf. | ||
| No, no, no, no, no. | ||
| The lesson is, you're invincible, and nothing bad will ever happen to you. | ||
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Ever? | |
| Oh, because you survived it. | ||
| I survived it. | ||
| Oh. | ||
| Do you know how to do that to someone else, though? | ||
| If someone was choking, do you know how to give a Heimlich? | ||
| I think I do. | ||
| We all think we do, right? | ||
| That's the thing. | ||
| But it's like you have to get it right here, like right where the ribcage, the sternum, and you push up. | ||
| I think people get their ribs broken all the time. | ||
| Yeah, they're supposed to. | ||
| You're supposed to do it as hard as you can. | ||
| Oh, you don't want that. | ||
| Well, the alternative... | ||
| Imagine Matthews doing that to you as hard as you can. | ||
| That would be very painful. | ||
| You're just like an old chicken. | ||
| Yeah, no pea protein there. | ||
| Can you get in trouble for helping and hurting someone? | ||
| Of course you can, 100%. | ||
| Of course. | ||
| You could get in trouble for shooting a burglar. | ||
| Especially if you're a strong person. | ||
| Like if you're like that Robert Frank guy, did he approve you yet? | ||
| No, no. | ||
| No? | ||
| Check. | ||
| I was looking on his Twitter account. | ||
| I couldn't tell what the video was. | ||
| He might have it on Twitter. | ||
| Yeah, maybe. | ||
| Yeah, I bet he does, right? | ||
| But isn't he like... | ||
| I don't know what the topic was because he had a couple videos up, but it could have been... | ||
| This is what it looks like. | ||
| I'll show it to you. | ||
| For some reason, now Instagram wants to send me... | ||
| Twitter wants to send me to the Instagram from the web and not from... | ||
| This is what happens when you're an Apple. | ||
| Why do they do that? | ||
| Should have been on an Android. | ||
| Why does it do that? | ||
| Does Android work better for that? | ||
| For the purpose of the joke, yes. | ||
| But doesn't... | ||
| The thing about Google, though, is that I have Android, too. | ||
| I have an Android phone as well. | ||
| But doesn't Google collect way more data than Apple does? | ||
| I think they, yeah, it's my understanding. | ||
| There's this gathering data and selling it. | ||
| Apple's kind of trying to avoid that. | ||
| I want to support that. | ||
| Apple did a great, great thing where they had that set up where they can't even break into their phone if they wanted to. | ||
| Defying law enforcement. | ||
| That was really wonderful. | ||
| Not just that, but your information. | ||
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Right. | |
| In terms of your location information and where you're going and what you're doing. | ||
| Google, every time you're getting online, they're just trying to do like, where are you at? | ||
| What do you want? | ||
| What do you need? | ||
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Right. | |
| There's a great documentary called The Creepy Line. | ||
| And they talk about, like, let's suppose I'm Facebook and I want to influence elections, right? | ||
| What if, if I have an ad that says, get out and vote, it's going to encourage people to vote. | ||
| What if I just ran that ad on Donald Trump fans, people who like Donald Trump? | ||
| Don't run it on Hillary fans. | ||
| That would sway the election and no one would know. | ||
| So what they do with this information is very quiet and there's not that much transparency and it can really lead to... | ||
| Especially with the shit with foreign countries, how with China, how they're being perfectly happy to censor stuff. | ||
| These are things that need to be asked. | ||
| Yeah, I was talking to a woman who was an executive and her position was that if they didn't do it, Google's going to copy it anyway. | ||
| So might as well just let Google... | ||
| And this way Google won't invent their own Google. | ||
| Sure. | ||
| And just copy all the code and steal the code of Google. | ||
| And that's a fair response. | ||
| But these are things that people, I think, should think more about. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| Well, especially with something like China where the government and the industry are all tied in. | ||
| Right. | ||
| This is why I was really weirded out by this Huawei thing today when it came to Google. | ||
| Because you want to say, well, if Google's doing this, clearly there must be a real reason for it. | ||
| But then you know about the Google Memo and James Damore. | ||
| Oh, yeah. | ||
| Because when you've done that, I've got to go, okay. | ||
| The guy just provided scientific information, didn't say anything sexist. | ||
| He was just talking about the facts of studies. | ||
| Right. | ||
| And you fired him for what you called... | ||
| Was it reinforcing sexist stereotypes? | ||
| And it wasn't the case at all. | ||
| That's not what he did. | ||
| But so many people were complaining about his report on the data that they were asking about. | ||
| Well, also saying that he doesn't know math and statistics when that was his... | ||
| Does he have an MIT degree? | ||
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Yeah. | |
| Well, he's a coder. | ||
| Yeah, so it's – what happens is when you have this fundamentalist faith, you start with the conclusion and you reason your way backward. | ||
| And if you're contradicting my conclusion, you're not only wrong, you're a liar and a sinner and have to be driven from the face of the earth. | ||
| Well, that's why I would ordinarily defer to them. | ||
| I'm like, wow, this must be pretty serious if Google is looking to take Gmail off of the new Huawei phones and not update the operating system. | ||
| But then I go, well, no, that's not necessarily – What's going on at all? | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| I don't know. | ||
| We don't know what's going on. | ||
| And we might never know. | ||
| That is a problem when you do one thing like that. | ||
| Like, there's giant consequences for what they probably thought was a PR disaster. | ||
| Probably have to get rid of this James Damore guy. | ||
| Let's just do it. | ||
| We'll justify it. | ||
| And I think the culture of the company probably supported it. | ||
| It's probably very leftist and aggressive. | ||
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It demanded it. | |
| It didn't support it. | ||
| It demanded it, was my understanding. | ||
| The company. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| Even though it does, logically, and the rest, that was really interesting, too, to see outside of the bubble, where the rest of the world, the people who actually read his memo and looked at it were like, okay, what is wrong with what he's saying? | ||
| He's not saying anything bad about women. | ||
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Right. | |
| In fact, he had a page and a half talking about strategies to get women more interested in tech. | ||
| He was just relaying the information as it stands in terms of the studies that have been done that show what women tend to gravitate towards, what men tend to gravitate towards. | ||
| These aren't sexist studies. | ||
| These are studies where they're just trying to figure out why do more women go into healthcare? | ||
| Is it opportunity? | ||
| Is it desire? | ||
| Is it just natural? | ||
| Cultural? | ||
| Is it cultural? | ||
| There's a lot of things. | ||
| And so, data is not sexist. | ||
| This guy was just talking about data. | ||
| And then when you looked at his own ideas, Those weren't sexist either. | ||
| He was just talking about strategies. | ||
| This is where I disagree with you. | ||
| They will say data is sexist because it has conclusions that contradict what they, air quotes, know to be true. | ||
| So therefore, if the data contradicts this, the data is sexist. | ||
| That's so crazy that that's the left. | ||
| The left used to be science-driven and they were the logical ones. | ||
| The left has, this is one of the big myths, and I talk about this in the book. | ||
| They have, from Woodrow Wilson on, have this evangelical fundamentalist faith, a segment of the left. | ||
| There's many people on the left who are very science-driven, who are like, look, these are the facts, let's work it out. | ||
| But there's a big segment of them, which are very prevalent, where they're basically like jihadis. | ||
| And you have this on the right as well, where it's just like, these are my conclusions, and we're going to force everyone to fit said conclusions. | ||
| So, you think that even, like, when you go back to, what was that fucking, there was the terrorist organization that Obama's professor was involved in. | ||
| Oh, the Weathermen. | ||
| The Weathermen. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| Like that, you go back to that, similar, almost like an educated version of Antifa. | ||
| I'm going back to Woodrow Wilson. | ||
| Yeah, but I mean, if you went back to that, it's real similar to what we're experiencing today. | ||
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Oh, absolutely. | |
| Yeah. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| And there's a book called Days of Rage. | ||
| And it talks about how in the early 70s, there were bombs going off, I think, every week in America. | ||
| And they weren't trying to kill people. | ||
| It was political. | ||
| They'd call in the bomb threat and be like, look, we're going to set up a bomb. | ||
| But the point is, there were other Symbionese Liberation Army that had Patty Hearst. | ||
| A few of them. | ||
| The Weather Underground. | ||
| They really, this was their thing. | ||
| And they blew up a townhouse in New York City. | ||
| You know, killed a bunch of people. | ||
| And now they're walking around and they're fine. | ||
| It's all been swept under the rug. | ||
| People always think that no matter what's happening now, with regard to these neo-Nazi types and the alt-right, oh, this is the worst time ever. | ||
| The Klan used to be a major part of both political parties. | ||
| What are you talking about? | ||
| Woodrow Wilson is playing Birth of a Nation at the White House. | ||
| Things were really, really dark before, but people don't have the historical context. | ||
| No, it's easy to not know what happened before, but just to think about what's going on now and where you want things to go. | ||
| Yeah, so therefore it's really, really bad, and therefore it must be the worst. | ||
| Right, yeah. | ||
| There's a better way to live, for sure. | ||
| But I think we went into real problems when you start telling people… What they can and can't do. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| No matter what it is. | ||
| No matter what it is, and you tell people what they can and can't do, you sort of reinforce... | ||
| I think one of the things that's going on now, in terms of these abortion rulings... | ||
| Oh gosh, yeah. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| Which are very sketchy. | ||
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Yes. | |
| Very scary. | ||
| And the Alabama one, which essentially just outlaws abortion. | ||
| Right. | ||
| They're making it where your punishment for abortion is... | ||
| Far greater punishment than the punishment for raping someone and causing them to get an abortion. | ||
| Well, they don't punish the woman. | ||
| I think they punish the doctor. | ||
| The law punishes the doctor. | ||
| Is that what it is? | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| The doctor gets 99 years or something like that. | ||
| That's right. | ||
| It's the doctor who's being charged, not the woman. | ||
| That's the difference between Georgia and Alabama. | ||
| Maybe you're right. | ||
| But the question is, why do you want this – if you regard this mother as a potential murderer, do you really want her raising that kid? | ||
| Right. | ||
| Four or two. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| 99 years in jail. | ||
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Yeah. | |
| The other thing is that I am very torn on this issue, abortion. | ||
| On Twitter, it's such a cesspool of people who don't understand each other. | ||
| One group saying, oh, it's all about you want to control a woman's body. | ||
| And the other being like, oh, you want to murder babies. | ||
| No, no. | ||
| They don't want to murder babies. | ||
| And they don't care about the woman. | ||
| They care about what they perceive to be the infant. | ||
| So I try to talk to both, and it's just noise. | ||
| Yeah, these are rigid ideologies. | ||
| And they're not persuasive. | ||
| If you tell someone who is pro-choice, who would otherwise be amenable to your point of view, well, you just want to murder kids, it's like, well, I don't, so there's nothing to talk anymore. | ||
| Did you see that state representative that was walking around in front of an abortion clinic and was trying to get the names of these kids that were there? | ||
| Oh, yeah, yeah. | ||
| He's still on Twitter. | ||
| No consequences. | ||
| That's crazy. | ||
| He was trying to dox kids. | ||
| He was asking for it. | ||
| He was offering money, bribing them, $100, $100 to get the names of whoever these people are. | ||
| It's insane. | ||
| And then he gets to this one boy and he puts this boy's face on Twitter. | ||
| He's like just some meek, shy, Christian man. | ||
| This is a big guy. | ||
| He's big and aggressive and he's getting in people's faces with the camera and then he's putting them online and he's getting a lot of attention and fame for it. | ||
| And it's crazy. | ||
| And meanwhile, my buddy Mike, he has a parody account of AOC. He gets kicked off. | ||
| That's crazy. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| And it says parody. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| Why can't you do that? | ||
| I mean, I don't think what he did was even rough. | ||
| Of course it wasn't. | ||
| It wasn't anything really awful. | ||
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I don't know. | |
| I've read some of the tweets. | ||
| I was like, they're just kind of funny. | ||
| They're a parody. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| What about Saturday Night Live? | ||
| I mean, come on. | ||
| Exactly. | ||
| Exactly. | ||
| What Alec Baldwin does to the president every fucking day on Saturday Night Live. | ||
| Every week, he's doing a fucking Trump impression almost. | ||
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Right. | |
| Well, he should. | ||
| That's their job. | ||
| Exactly. | ||
| So it's a complete double standard. | ||
| And the other thing I'll defend Jack in this regard, what we were talking about earlier, I'm sure the pressure he gets internally is off the charts. | ||
| And he even said this explicitly. | ||
| He goes, my whole company was yelling at me to kick off Alex for a long time, and he refused to do it for a while. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| It's weird that they don't see the consequences. | ||
| They don't understand that this is going to go to a bad place. | ||
| But they do see the positive consequences where they're preaching to their own tribe. | ||
| And basically, people who aren't like us get to go out in the wilderness. | ||
| Well, I think human beings are way better at expressing themselves today than they ever have been in the past. | ||
| And I think one of the reasons why is the free expression that we so enjoy and that we have enjoyed, you know, like if you look at the history of what you could, the message you could get out just 40 or 50 years ago as opposed to what the message you could get out just 40 or 50 years ago as opposed to And then you looked at how culture has radically evolved over the last 40, 50 years versus where. | ||
| If everything was stagnant like it was in 1950, we would think, if you watch 1950s films or read books about the 1950s, the behavior that people got away with was way different than it is today. | ||
| Things are getting better. | ||
| One of the reasons why these things are getting better is because people can see everything. | ||
| You can talk through all the details. | ||
| If you think you can just cut off the ugly stuff or cut off the Nazi stuff and cut off this stuff and you're going to keep people from getting recruited so you're going to kill this and you're going to de-platform this, you're also going to enforce assholes to say there's a reason why they're silencing us. you're also going to enforce assholes to say there's a There's a reason why. | ||
| Instead of having people going, hey, no, you guys are shitheads and this is a stupid idea and you guys are all ignorant fools and your perception of things is so off and we're going to explain to you while it's off and we're going to all work this out together. | ||
| And when they say there's a secret elite who's running this country and wants to control your life. | ||
| They mean Jews. | ||
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Don't they? | |
| Shit, jig is up. | ||
| They know. | ||
| Shut it down. | ||
| But this is their proof. | ||
| They can point to Twitter and Facebook. | ||
| And they could also say, hey, they're picking off the same exact people on every platform. | ||
| Isn't that a coincidence? | ||
| Yep. | ||
| Whereas David Duke is still on Twitter. | ||
| Is he really? | ||
| Yeah, of course. | ||
| That's hilarious. | ||
| Is it? | ||
| No. | ||
| But it's telling. | ||
| No, it's not hilarious. | ||
| Like, ha ha. | ||
| I know, but it's like, what the fuck? | ||
| They got rid of Farrakhan. | ||
| They didn't get rid of David Duke. | ||
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Right. | |
| Right. | ||
| Because David Duke serves a purpose. | ||
| What purpose? | ||
| Because he's a good foil for the left. | ||
| Because when David Duke endorses a Republican, look, oh, the Republicans are racist. | ||
| When David Duke endorses Ilhan Omar or Keith Ellison, crickets. | ||
| He'll be a good, bad guy on payroll. | ||
| Like, if I was the Democratic Party, I'd say, look, Dave, the jig is up, okay? | ||
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Everybody knows you're never going to be president, never going to really run for office anywhere legitimate, but... | |
| He's not that good of a bad guy. | ||
| How about this, David? | ||
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We'll give you $400,000 a year. | |
| All you have to do is every now and then I'm going to call you up and I'm going to say, Dave, You know what would be interesting? | ||
| It would be interesting if David Duke endorsed this asshole. | ||
| And then David Duke just starts talking about this person being a fine American and a white nationalist and all these different – just make up a bunch of quotes and have David Duke put it up there. | ||
| A lot of people when – You never shake that off. | ||
| A lot of people think he's – like not him specifically. | ||
| Controlled opposition. | ||
| He's controlled opposition. | ||
| Oh, that's my favorite. | ||
| When someone's not banned, they must be controlled opposition. | ||
| That is one of my favorite conspiracy dork theories. | ||
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It is. | |
| A controlled opposition is someone who you don't like who hasn't been banned yet. | ||
| Yeah, controlled opposition. | ||
| He's a useful idiot. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| Controlled opposition. | ||
| It's like when people get into these... | ||
| I've been accused of being a CIA plant. | ||
| Ah, you probably are. | ||
| It's probably one of these... | ||
| Ace for anarchy. | ||
| You know the term cognoscenti? | ||
| Oh yeah, yeah. | ||
| Those in the know? | ||
| In the know, yeah. | ||
| Yeah, that's a great term. | ||
| And that's perfect for this. | ||
| It's like, oh, useful idiot. | ||
| Oh, controlled opposition. | ||
| I'm in the know. | ||
| I'm one of the cognoscenti. | ||
| You're not going to sneak this by me. | ||
| I understand. | ||
| But meanwhile, sometimes they're right, which is why it's really fucked up. | ||
| It's like sometimes there is controlled opposition. | ||
| Sometimes there is. | ||
| Sometimes there's fake websites that talk about things because somebody wants to win a lawsuit. | ||
| Look at this. | ||
| I'm dear, dear. | ||
| This case that you're working on, come and look at this website I found. | ||
| They're killing babies. | ||
| That's why it's so important for there to be venues for those people. | ||
| If someone is crazy or brilliant, it often looks the same. | ||
| Right, but how does a person know whether or not that website's right? | ||
| Well, once we got to Scientific American, we all agreed, like, okay, this is legit. | ||
| This is a legit claim. | ||
| They were basically talking about cells, though. | ||
| They were talking about human cells. | ||
| I don't know any better way. | ||
| Destroying human cells. | ||
| But here's a problem with that, what I was going to say. | ||
| At what scale? | ||
| Because, by the way, they've shown that certain elements and plants in the laboratory environment will destroy cells. | ||
| Even like phytonutrients and there was something, one of the head guys for the carnivore diet, Sean Baker, posted on his Twitter a while back showing that you can make a lot of weird arguments based on cells, like how things respond to cells. | ||
| It doesn't necessarily mean once it gets through the organism stage. | ||
| Yeah, yeah. | ||
| The only way, in my view, and I'm not an expert on this, is discourse and having a platform where people can argue at each other. | ||
| And you could stand by and watch and see things. | ||
| Otherwise, if you're silencing, it's very, as we talked before, and I think any right-minded person would agree, it's a very, very slippery slope. | ||
| I agree. | ||
| Did you see the Ben Shapiro meltdown on BBC? I did. | ||
| That's a good example. | ||
| It's a good example. | ||
| Look, he didn't handle it well. | ||
| He knows he didn't handle it well, and I like Ben. | ||
| I like him a lot. | ||
| I think he's a really nice guy. | ||
| I like talking to him. | ||
| I don't agree with him on many things, but I really like him. | ||
| He's a really good guy. | ||
| And I think he's a very smart guy. | ||
| And I think he's smart enough to admit that he fucked up. | ||
| He did. | ||
| He went on Twitter. | ||
| And here's the thing. | ||
| I did a meme making fun of him. | ||
| It's on my Insta. | ||
| And people are white knighting for him. | ||
| And I'm like, he owned that he played it wrong. | ||
| He fucked up. | ||
| And he's like, yeah, I got got. | ||
| That's to his credit. | ||
| Yeah, and... | ||
| It highlights to me, more so than anything, the problem with two things. | ||
| One, doing a remote show. | ||
| Sure. | ||
| You're in Los Angeles, they're in the UK. Sure. | ||
| He was talking to him like he wasn't there. | ||
| The British guy was. | ||
| Because he wasn't really there. | ||
| And then the other part is that short time format. | ||
| You don't have enough time. | ||
| You don't have enough time to have a conversation and just talk. | ||
| But Ben knows this. | ||
| Ben is a pro. | ||
| And he knows what the BBC is too. | ||
| But he's also a pro at doing those things. | ||
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Yes. | |
| You just shout talking points at each other. | ||
| And Ben talks super fast. | ||
| Because when he talks super fast, it's really hard to keep up with him. | ||
| And he sounds smarter than you. | ||
| He's very smart and articulate. | ||
| And he talks fast. | ||
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Yes. | |
| I was like, woo, it's hard to handle. | ||
| He rose to prominence when he was on Piers Morgan. | ||
| Talking about guns. | ||
| And if you thought that BBC interview was rude, Piers at one point just goes, you're a real stupid man, aren't you? | ||
| Like, that's your line? | ||
| And Ben didn't storm off. | ||
| He was just like, no, I just think when a government becomes usurpacious, that it's very important for the citizens to have, you know? | ||
| And he handled it. | ||
| That's a good impression. | ||
| We go to the same shul. | ||
| He handled it amazingly. | ||
| So for him, as he admitted, for him to lose his shit, and also to be like, I'm... | ||
| Popular and I've never heard of you. | ||
| Just because you've never heard of someone, and I'm sure he would admit this, is of no relevance to the validity of what they're doing. | ||
| Yeah, that's why I was shocked when I went to JoJo Siwa last night and it was sold out. | ||
| I don't know. | ||
| I literally didn't know who she was until a week ago. | ||
| A lot of people know her. | ||
| Probably more so than Ben Shapiro. | ||
| I'm the second most famous Joe here. | ||
| What the fuck happened? | ||
| And she's 16. If Ben Shapiro did a speech at the Microsoft Center, I don't know how many tickets he sells if he does speeches, but it's a hard sell. | ||
| 7,000 people is a hard sell. | ||
| You don't think Ben Shapiro could sell 7,000 tickets? | ||
| That's a lot. | ||
| Yeah, but that's basically getting a two-hour speech in one hour, so that's already half the value. | ||
| No, but it's getting people out of their house to pay money to come hear people talk. | ||
| Most of these, when these guys are doing these talks, unless it's Jordan, Jordan can kind of do a football stadium right now. | ||
| But a lot of these guys are doing like 2,000 seaters. | ||
| Okay. | ||
| This is 7,000. | ||
| This is a big jump. | ||
| Okay, 2 to 7? | ||
| I bet you he could fill it. | ||
| Maybe. | ||
| Maybe. | ||
| It's possible. | ||
| I don't know. | ||
| I don't know if he's doing live ones like that. | ||
| There's a lot of people doing live shows now. | ||
| It's very interesting. | ||
| It's very old-timey, too. | ||
| Very old-timey. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| But it's also, it's cool to see people that are interested in intellectual, like Sam Harris has some fantastic ones. | ||
| And I like some of Sam's live ones, too, because he's funny in them. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| Which he gets a chance to actually work to the crowd. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| You know, I was talking to him about it. | ||
| I'm like, you have good timing. | ||
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Yeah, yeah. | |
| You're like a comic. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| Some of the stuff you say actually makes me laugh when he does live ones as opposed to he's very rational and somber when he's doing straight conversation ones. | ||
| You know this as a performer and same with me. | ||
| If you're in front of that audience and the laugh is out of proportion because there's so many of them and you just have that one liner, it makes you want to be more on and it's beating its tail and it's really, really exciting. | ||
| It's also like a nod to the crowd that you know that they're there and you're trying to entertain them. | ||
| You appreciate them. | ||
| You say something funny. | ||
| You're doing it. | ||
| They know you're doing it because they're there and it's funny. | ||
| And when it's improv, it's much more intimate. | ||
| When you have that one-liner that you knew wasn't part of his set speech, it's great. | ||
| So they're doing theirs their way, where it's just conversations. | ||
| And it's interesting because they're getting these giant crowds. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| They also do produced ones, too. | ||
| Radio Lab does a produced live one, and it's really interesting. | ||
| They'll bring someone out, and they'll play sound clips, and I don't know if they have a video element of it. | ||
| I think they do. | ||
| I think they have visuals, too. | ||
| But they're doing it all in these big-ass theaters, and people love it, and they come out to see it. | ||
| So for someone who listens to Radio Lab every week, and they get a chance to go and see it live, it's like, wow. | ||
| I can't believe it's here. | ||
| It's a part of my life. | ||
| And this is the danger of the whole Twitter, Facebook stuff. | ||
| People are desperate and excited to hear new ideas, thought-provoking people, even if you disagree, right? | ||
| Two of my favorite people, like, a lot of times if you hear them talk, even if you don't care what they're saying or disagree with them, the energy, and it's like, this is fascinating, it's thought-provoking for me, it's just, nothing's better. | ||
| I think there's something really cool about people coming out to see these really interesting discussions, too. | ||
| Jordan had a debate with this... | ||
| Slavoj Zizek, yeah. | ||
| Thank you for saying his name. | ||
| I think I pronounced it right, maybe. | ||
| Better you than me. | ||
| About Marxism. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| And it sold out. | ||
| Yeah, of course. | ||
| And then they had pay-per-view. | ||
| People were buying it and watching it. | ||
| Oh, of course. | ||
| This was like the WWE of our time. | ||
| It's like... | ||
| How are these two people in a room together? | ||
| I want to see this. | ||
| And they actually wound up agreeing on quite a few things. | ||
| It's really an interesting discussion, but it's also interesting that Marxism is such an attractive subject that they're willing to host this giant event and pay to see people debate this topic. | ||
| It's like, this is... | ||
| This idea that you could fill up a whole arena for an intellectual discourse. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| Or a theater. | ||
| I mean, I don't know how big the place was. | ||
| And then you could also sell pay-per-view tickets for it. | ||
| Like, what the fuck are you talking about? | ||
| Who the hell is going to pay to hear that? | ||
| That's school. | ||
| Get out of here with that shit. | ||
| It's not. | ||
| I wish school was like that. | ||
| I wish, right? | ||
| There's no better way to get kids to hate learning than school. | ||
| Every kid is so excited about the world, you know, wants to go to the museum. | ||
| Not every kid, a lot. | ||
| Read books. | ||
| Then you go to school and that all goes away. | ||
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So true. | |
| And you're a factory worker. | ||
| So anything that reinvigorates, your show does this too, reinvigorates your love of learning. | ||
| There's so much interesting, crazy shit out there. | ||
| Who doesn't love that? | ||
| There's so much creative. | ||
| The jocks back in the day didn't have that space. | ||
| And now... | ||
| Thanks to you and people like you, it's like, you know what? | ||
| I don't like reading books. | ||
| Reading's not for me. | ||
| I could sit here and listen for three hours, and I'm going to be a smarter person than it was three hours ago and learn stuff. | ||
| Who doesn't love history? | ||
| Even if you're the biggest meathead, it's like this shit's interesting, or like these crazy animals. | ||
| The biggest meathead will be like, oh shit, that's cold. | ||
| You hear about this giraffe weevil, which has a hinge in its neck, but only the males, and it's from Madagascar? | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| It's a real thing. | ||
| It is a real thing. | ||
| And I was going to say this. | ||
| It's fuel for your curiosity. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| And for your creativity. | ||
| It's going to give you ideas. | ||
| There's so much fuel for creativity right now. | ||
| More so than any other time. | ||
| There's so much information and interesting shit you could learn and do it easily. | ||
| You could just find a podcast. | ||
| I need to learn about economics. | ||
| I need to find an economics podcast and start playing it. | ||
| And if the person's good... | ||
| They're interesting to talk to, and they can do it in a fun way. | ||
| Have you ever listened to Peter Schiff? | ||
| He's a funny guy. | ||
| I've had him on a few times. | ||
| And the way he describes things, it's like he's entertaining as well as factual, as well as just a compelling, charismatic person while he's talking about these things. | ||
| He's getting fired up. | ||
| And you're like, oh, okay, so that's how it works. | ||
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Yeah. | |
| It's so much better than absorbing it in a dry, stale manner. | ||
| And then you go from that, like, oh, he mentioned this thing. | ||
| Let me learn about this. | ||
| Oh, there's a YouTube video about this. | ||
| And you go down this rabbit hole and it's just like hours of entertainment and you can have better conversations with other people. | ||
| Hey, I learned about this, this and that. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| I feel so far behind kids these days. | ||
| When I meet an 18-year-old today, they're like a 30-year-old when I was a kid. | ||
| In what way? | ||
| They're smarter. | ||
| They have more info. | ||
| They have more data. | ||
| They know what's horseshit and what's not. | ||
| When we were in our 20s, we didn't know what the fuck was real and what was fake. | ||
| There was no YouTube. | ||
| There was no Google. | ||
| There was books. | ||
| And you didn't read them. | ||
| Oh, I read them. | ||
| Yeah, you might have. | ||
| I read a lot of them, Joe. | ||
| Yeah, I'm older than you. | ||
| You had books. | ||
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Yeah. | |
| We didn't read about, like, to find out whether or not something's true. | ||
| Right. | ||
| Like we do today. | ||
| You know what I'm saying? | ||
| Yeah, yeah. | ||
| Like, when I was in my 20s, like, I wasn't, like, researching subjects. | ||
| I've read a few books here and there, but I wasn't researching things on every single aspect of the world the way the access to this information is just so radically different that you just have a thing in your pocket that answers your questions. | ||
| Right. | ||
| What else is fascinating is Google and other organizations have digitized entire libraries. | ||
| So many of these books that are old are public domain. | ||
| And for free, you can read this book from 1910 where these ideas got started. | ||
| And instead of hearing someone's interpretation of it now, you can see where this idea developed and how they looked at the world back then. | ||
| Now here's the real question. | ||
| Is that absolutely, we both agree, incredibly valuable resource. | ||
| Is that worth giving up the data? | ||
| Like maybe we should just accept the fact that they gave us something to change the world. | ||
| So of course they got super rich. | ||
| Hey Mark Zuckerberg, I know what you did. | ||
| It's okay. | ||
| It's okay. | ||
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You take that data. | |
| Take it bitch. | ||
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Yeah, you like that shit. | |
| Yeah. | ||
| You become the richest person in the world. | ||
| You deserve it. | ||
| You shouldn't just give it away for free. | ||
| Well, I changed the world in a better way. | ||
| No, you should take advantage of the fact that you changed the world in a better way to profit in some insane, spectacular way where you generate billions and billions of dollars. | ||
| The thing we don't know is how they are generating that profit. | ||
| That's the issue. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| So, if they're doing it in a certain way that we know about, alright. | ||
| If they don't, this is where it gets tricky because there's an element of fraud in it. | ||
| Well, I think they must be terrified. | ||
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Both... | |
| Twitter and Facebook. | ||
| They must be terrified of their influence of culture. | ||
| Oh yeah, of course. | ||
| There's no way they can't. | ||
| The responsibility must be insane. | ||
| Do you know how you know this? | ||
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How? | |
| Because a lot of people who were Republicans during the Iraq War and now look back on it, who are beating the drumbeats. | ||
| And I'm not going to name names. | ||
| You watch interviews and they're like, that shit was fucked up. | ||
| And when you look back and you realize you had a part to play in this unnecessary war, and if you're someone who cares about human beings as a Christian or whatever, that will fuck you up for life. | ||
| Because it's like, I had a little part in this. | ||
| Like when I do my work with North Korea, right? | ||
| If I help 10 people, that's a huge fucking deal. | ||
| And I don't take that shit lightly. | ||
| And here's the power of social media. | ||
| I've had people, three or four, tell me, I'm going through chemo, and I read your Twitter, and it makes me laugh throughout the day. | ||
| That's fucking huge! | ||
| Conversely, if you're on the side of Hillary Clinton, and you realize that your website might be contributing to her demise, and you realize that other countries might be posting fake accounts That are, | ||
| you know, they have these groups, these discussion groups, and they're based in Russia, and they want to talk about Black Lives Matter, or they want to talk about abortion, or they want to talk about Southern separatism, or all kinds of, you know, that IRA research group in Russia. | ||
| And you find out this is all happening on your platform, and that your platform is likely being used to manipulate how the world is run, how financial markets are run. | ||
| International politics. | ||
| And you just wanted to help college kids get laid. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| Right. | ||
| Right. | ||
| You kind of jacked the idea, too, right? | ||
| What about the kids when they were torturing that retarded kid and it was at Chicago and they were streaming it on Facebook? | ||
| That's your site. | ||
| That's got to fuck with your head. | ||
| It's got to. | ||
| Well, there's been murders. | ||
| And the guy live streaming in New Zealand, he was live streaming. | ||
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Yes. | |
| I mean, there's many, many cases of horrible things that have been put on there. | ||
| ISIS beheadings. | ||
| I mean, there's no way they can catch it all. | ||
| There's no way. | ||
| When you talk to Twitter or you talk to Facebook or YouTube, they'll tell you... | ||
| I want everyone to just think about the idea that 7 billion people... | ||
| Eh, let's be real conservative. | ||
| Potentially. | ||
| Three billion people. | ||
| Just three billion. | ||
| Three billion people can all send something at once. | ||
| At the speed of light. | ||
| Billions of bits of information headed towards YouTube or Twitter or Facebook. | ||
| And they're just trying to catch it all. | ||
| Some of it's Nazis and some of it's frogs. | ||
| And Alex Jones, baddest name! | ||
| And everything's flying in. | ||
| And then Congress is like, Mr. Zuckerberg, do you know what you're doing? | ||
| He's like, hold on, let me drink my water. | ||
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Hold on. | |
| Yeah, yeah. | ||
| Mr. Senator? | ||
| Yes, we know what we're doing, I think. | ||
| I think, Mr. Senator? | ||
| As if that senator knows what he's doing also. | ||
| He's not a monk. | ||
| He's not some scholar. | ||
| He's not a genius. | ||
| He's not enlightened. | ||
| He's a guy. | ||
| He's not a stupid guy. | ||
| He's a smart guy. | ||
| But he's just a person. | ||
| Just a human. | ||
| And has an insane connection. | ||
| And insane. | ||
| He's the CEO of one of the biggest groups on the planet where people exchange conversation. | ||
| Which still hasn't verified me on Instagram, by the way. | ||
| Why not? | ||
| Because they're Nazis. | ||
| How many followers you got? | ||
| Only 7,000. | ||
| That's all you got? | ||
| That's my weakest one. | ||
| Bro, catch the fuck up. | ||
| But it's also like Lucy, Lucille Ball, when she's working at Chalka Factory, right? | ||
| The chocolates are coming out, and then they go faster and faster. | ||
| Oh, yeah, yeah, yeah. | ||
| There's a certain point where you're not going to be able to process this much information and scan it. | ||
| It's impossible. | ||
| And any filter by its nature, any coder will tell you, is going to be imperfect, and it's going to weed out people it doesn't want to weed out, and leave people that you don't want to leave in. | ||
| Like, any filter is only as good as its creator. | ||
| That's what I wanted people to kind of understand from Jack, and he did a pretty good job of explaining that and then saying that it just shows you the problems with trying to monitor these things at scale. | ||
| But the thing I would say to Jack is one workaround. | ||
| If someone is a high enough platform where they're contributing – like the laws against obscenity. | ||
| The ruling was if there's some cultural benefit here, it's not regardless of scene, right? | ||
| That's a loophole. | ||
| If someone is big enough in terms of they're part of the public conversation, you should have a manual person double-check or triple-check before they're blocked. | ||
| You could give them a warning, explain why, because it's important for people... | ||
| Okay, but here's the question. | ||
| Blocked for what? | ||
| There's got to be rules where you are getting blocked. | ||
| If you're threatening violence against someone, if you're sending dick pics to a reporter, you should be blocked. | ||
| And if you have, you're putting up people's information. | ||
| Right, doxing. | ||
| Putting people's address out, people can go to your home. | ||
| Telling people you want to pay someone $100, take the photo. | ||
| You've got a photo and video of someone who's not giving you permission. | ||
| You're uploading it and offering. | ||
| This is what that guy did. | ||
| Yes, and he's still verified. | ||
| Offering $100. | ||
| That's crazy. | ||
| Now how does that work? | ||
| Ask him. | ||
| I'm not Jack. | ||
| How could that work? | ||
| I don't know, Jack. | ||
| Get it? | ||
| But very easily, people like that, you should tell them, that way you'd be banning if you're doxing people. | ||
| Yes. | ||
| But someone is doing a parody, you could be like, take this down for X, Y, and Z reasons. | ||
| Dude, the thing is, I think they tried to make a differentiation between doxing someone and threatening to dox someone. | ||
| This is how they kept Kathy Griffin on. | ||
| Right. | ||
| Remember when she was saying, I want names? | ||
| Of these kids, yeah. | ||
| Who are these kids? | ||
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Yeah. | |
| You know, imagine if they did, and the kids eventually, all their information did wind up getting online, but when you watched the full video and you saw what actually happened, you're like, God damn! | ||
| You people have really shifted the narrative here. | ||
| Do you think if I posted a picture of myself holding up a bloody Hillary Clinton head that I wouldn't be banned? | ||
| I'm not going to find out, but that's a big deal. | ||
| And I don't even – she was obviously doing it as a joke. | ||
| I didn't find it offensive. | ||
| I think it would be funny if she was wearing a hijab while she did the photo. | ||
| But the point is she had no consequences on Twitter. | ||
| None. | ||
| Yeah, I think you would be banned. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| I'm almost positive you'd be banned. | ||
| For whatever reason, it's more disturbing to see a guy hold a woman's head. | ||
| Sure, that's true. | ||
| But even if it was Obama? | ||
| The idea is that Kathy Griffin probably wouldn't be able to cut Trump's head off. | ||
| He'd kick her ass. | ||
| He's a big dude. | ||
| If she came at him with a knife, I mean, she'd have to shoot him and then cut his head off, which I guess she could do. | ||
| No, she's got to use the palms. | ||
| Oh, the palm to the nose? | ||
| The palm to the nose. | ||
| The nose bone in the brain. | ||
| How would you do that? | ||
| I'm just trying to run the numbers in my head. | ||
| There's 126 million daily users on Twitter. | ||
| How many people should they hire? | ||
| Remember when we were asking them? | ||
| That's going back over my head. | ||
| That queue, if someone could get through 100 a day, if they could get through 100 a day, that's spending five minutes on each of them. | ||
| That's 500 minutes. | ||
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Manually, there's no way you're going to do it. | |
| The reporting system is smart. | ||
| You're relying on the users to report things that are an issue. | ||
| That's smart. | ||
| But it falls victim to trolling because then someone can just decide to attack Jamie Vernon. | ||
| Don't do it. | ||
| God, trolls are the worst. | ||
| Yeah, those fuck... | ||
| Oh, that's you. | ||
| Oh my goodness. | ||
| No, that's the bad kind of trolling. | ||
| That's just being an asshole. | ||
| Dude, we already did three hours. | ||
| Oh. | ||
| How is that possible? | ||
| I'm just adorable and charming. | ||
| I guess that something happened. | ||
| I'll go with that. | ||
| As good an answer as any. | ||
| Your book is called The New Right. | ||
| We barely talked about it. | ||
| That's more stuff for people to read. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| A journey to the... | ||
| How's the first 12 pages? | ||
| Inside joke. | ||
| A journey to the fringe of American politics. | ||
| Michael Malice. | ||
| And thank you, brother. | ||
| Thank you. | ||
| Always a pleasure, Joe. | ||
| Thank you. | ||
| Bye, everybody. |
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