April 23, 2019 - The Joe Rogan Experience
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| Three, two, one. | ||
| Boom! | ||
| What's up, brother? | ||
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How are you? | |
| Good to see you, my friend. | ||
| Always. | ||
| Thanks for having me. | ||
| It's been a while, man. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| We've both been busy. | ||
| It's crazy. | ||
| And in the meantime, we became legal. | ||
| Yes. | ||
| You guys were at the forefront, man. | ||
| You guys were way ahead. | ||
| You were ahead of everybody. | ||
| You know, we took a shot. | ||
| We took a shot, you know, as stoners and advocates and whatnot. | ||
| You know, we were stoners at first, right? | ||
| You know, that's how you start. | ||
| Like, you know, your friend says, hey man, try this. | ||
| Or you're the one who says try this, right? | ||
| It's one or the other. | ||
| And, you know, eventually you start. | ||
| Getting into the High Times magazines and stuff like that and looking at the, you know, the centerfold pictures of the weed, but also... | ||
| Centerfold pictures of weed. | ||
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We like to read, too, occasionally. | |
| So, you know, we'd get into some of the activism aspect of it as well, and that's when we heard names like Jack Herrera, who pretty much opened our eyes to everything. | ||
| And then, you know, I think we became real advocates. | ||
| You know, at first, you know, we thought we were, you know, sort of... | ||
| We read the high times magazines that we were stoners. | ||
| So we thought we were advocates but like in reading what other freedom fighters were actually doing out there and protests and rallies and all that stuff. | ||
| You know, we we really weren't advocates like we thought we became that later for sure. | ||
| Yeah, Jack was way way way ahead of the curve. | ||
| He He's just such an interesting story, rest in peace, because he was a Goldwater Republican. | ||
| He was just a button-down, old-school Republican. | ||
| And then he got a girlfriend. | ||
| And then his girlfriend got him smoking weed, and then all of a sudden he's like, man, this is fucking amazing! | ||
| God, why am I such a dick? | ||
| What's wrong with me? | ||
| Who am I? What am I doing with my life? | ||
| Absolutely. | ||
| It totally flipped his life around. | ||
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unidentified
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Yeah. | |
| The Emperor Wears No Clothes is a fucking great book, man. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| It holds strong to this day because everything that he said in the book is sort of happening right now. | ||
| All the stuff that they tried to prevent from happening through all the anti-cannabis propaganda. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| You see it now. | ||
| And now you see those very companies trying to get into the industry. | ||
| Yeah, they were always on the outside waiting, you know, at the launching block. | ||
| Not quite ready to run, but any minute now it's going to get legal. | ||
| Yeah, exactly. | ||
| I mean, you know, they're lying in wait with fields like acreage that no one can ever come close to. | ||
| Probably, right? | ||
| Yeah, I mean... | ||
| The thing I heard maybe like five years ago, before it was legal in Denver, or a bit longer than that, before we got legalization here, that companies like Philip Morris and companies like that were already buying land and already trademarking names for some of the cannabis that we know today so that when they come into the game, | ||
| They have ownership on some of the names and some of the brands and trademarks and stuff like that. | ||
| And obviously the acreage to grow vast sums of cannabis. | ||
| Who knows how true that is, but I don't doubt some of that. | ||
| I don't doubt it either. | ||
| The sneakiest shit was Ohio. | ||
| Ohio was... | ||
| They were trying to make it legal, but if they were going to make it legal, there was only like... | ||
| It was like two companies that were out... | ||
| Jamie's from Ohio. | ||
| I think like four, but I think that is how it went through. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| They were the only ones going to be allowed to grow it and sell it. | ||
| Like, fuck you. | ||
| Monopoly. | ||
| That is not legal weed. | ||
| That is you being a cunt. | ||
| That's monopoly. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| That's crazy. | ||
| You know... | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| Because, you know, you had like people that got those licenses or permits or whatever. | ||
| on the cannabis culture or business, how to cultivate and how to run retail stores or any of that. | ||
| They didn't have any of that knowledge. | ||
| And, you know, they'll usually give it to an insider because they know how much money they stand to make. | ||
| That's like if there was just one distribution center, right? | ||
| And everybody has to go through that distribution center. | ||
| How much money does that distribution center make? | ||
| Because you've got to pay for your shit to go there. | ||
| And then, you know, who knows if it... | ||
| Well, you know if it passes because you know as a cultivator what you did. | ||
| So you'll know it'll pass because it's clean. | ||
| But you've still got to pay that fee every time. | ||
| And it's got to go through them. | ||
| Fortunately, here in California, you know, they've allowed people to have distribution licenses so that there's not one distribution center because that would be a monopoly for sure. | ||
| And that's what they wanted to, supposedly, you know, the lobbyists that put 64 together were trying to stop it from being a monopoly and corporations coming in and taking over and stuff like that, you know. | ||
| So interesting because pot is such a non-corporate drug, you know, it's such a non-corporate thing. | ||
| That these corporations were trying to get a grip on weed. | ||
| It just seemed obscene. | ||
| It seemed disgusting. | ||
| Yeah, it's a little out of place. | ||
| It's a lot out of place, right? | ||
| You know, because... | ||
| You think about where it comes from, and it's been outlaw for so long. | ||
| It's kind of like, you know, the way alcohol was for so long. | ||
| Way longer than alcohol, which is crazy. | ||
| But it's been demonized longer, yes. | ||
| And now, you know, you have people trying to come in and throw money into it. | ||
| And some of these guys don't realize it's not just about the money into it. | ||
| You've got to do the diligence on what this business is. | ||
| You can't cut corners on the cultivation. | ||
| You know, you can't cut corners on quality because people, you know, they're... | ||
| There's more information out there. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| You know, so people know. | ||
| Even if they're not a connoisseur, as a consumer, you know, they can read about shit. | ||
| They can learn about stuff. | ||
| So if you're getting over on them or if you're putting some shit quality product out there, I mean, people are going to know. | ||
| And all that money that these guys put into trying to get into the cannabis business, they're just throwing it into the fire. | ||
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Yeah. | |
| Some of them will come out of it. | ||
| They'll partner up with brands that exist and people that have knowledge. | ||
| The corporations that come in in the next five years, it's going to be interesting. | ||
| Because I do think... | ||
| That it's set up for them to come in. | ||
| The taxes are so high right now for the consumer and for the cultivator and for the retail shop that you got to survive this wash right now that's happening in order to still be, you know, doing business when the corporate structure comes in. | ||
| Because please believe they're going to lobby so that those taxes come down because the margins are not right, you know, as 40%. | ||
| Taxes. | ||
| Is that what it is now? | ||
| It was 39 in Denver, right? | ||
| Yeah, but in here in California, it's, you know, 40%. | ||
| But to the consumer, the consumer's like, who gives a fuck? | ||
| If I could just pull in and get some weed real quick. | ||
| They should give a fuck. | ||
| They should, but in comparison to alcohol, like how much it costs, if you go out for a night for some drinks, it costs way more. | ||
| You get high for a month on what it takes to get a few drinks in a night. | ||
| Depending where you go, those fucking drinks are even double. | ||
| Yeah, yeah, yeah. | ||
| With less alcohol. | ||
| Well, the other thing is that these companies, they don't understand the culture. | ||
| It's a different culture. | ||
| You can't bullshit us. | ||
| You can't bullshit us with marketing and advertising. | ||
| That shit is not going to work. | ||
| You can't have the most interesting man in the world selling weed. | ||
| Stay thirsty, my friends. | ||
| No, that ain't going to work. | ||
| You've got to get somebody like Michael Phelps. | ||
| Yeah, man. | ||
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For real. | |
| Michael Phelps. | ||
| I would buy weed from Michael Phelps. | ||
| How funny was it that he got in trouble for that? | ||
| You know, what I find it funny is how, you know, they put these stereotypes on stoners for so long, like we're lazy, unproductive, and all that stuff. | ||
| This guy's one of the most decorated Olympians in the history. | ||
| You know what I mean? | ||
| What has he got, like 15 gold fucking medals? | ||
| Something preposterous. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| Mr. Big Lungs. | ||
| That's what we call him. | ||
| Mr. Big Lungs. | ||
| Definitely. | ||
| I probably could take a rip on a bong. | ||
| Think about it. | ||
| Oh my god. | ||
| I mean, shit. | ||
| Right? | ||
| He had probably his crazy capacity. | ||
| There it is. | ||
| He could probably snap a two-gram bowl, this guy. | ||
| Who was the person who ratted him out? | ||
| Some low... | ||
| Some kid. | ||
| Some derp. | ||
| Little dickhead. | ||
| What a piece of shit. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| Imagine just going to a party, trying to have a good time. | ||
| Some kid's there with his phone. | ||
| That's social network for you, though. | ||
| They want to go viral, so they'll get you in that moment where you're supposed to be a friend. | ||
| But that was before a lot of that shit was happening. | ||
| What year was that? | ||
| Let's guess. | ||
| What year was that? | ||
| 2012? | ||
| Let's just say before Instagram kicked off. | ||
| But there was still YouTube and Twitter. | ||
| If you wanted to put somebody on blast or you wanted to have a viral video, YouTube has been there for a long time. | ||
| Yeah, Twitter was like 2007, right? | ||
| Wasn't it? | ||
| I believe so, yeah. | ||
| I think... | ||
| When was Michael Phelps? | ||
| When did he get in trouble? | ||
| I'm looking. | ||
| I'm seeing different stuff. | ||
| I saw a picture of it on YouTube from 2009, so that means it would have been in 2008 Olympics, but that seems like it was a long time ago. | ||
| Yeah, that makes sense, though. | ||
| Because then he came back, right? | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| He retired, and then he came back? | ||
| Well, I think he was suspended. | ||
| I think he was suspended. | ||
| Yeah, 2009 is when he got caught. | ||
| And then he had to, you know, do the suspension and he came back and got some more medals. | ||
| Like, haha, fuck you. | ||
| Right? | ||
| I love that. | ||
| Was he suspended because of the weed? | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| Well, you know, hey, listen, in a lot of places, it's still on a banned substance list. | ||
| Oh, yeah, Texas. | ||
| Texas is real bad. | ||
| February 2009, he was only 23, apologized for an incident where he was caught on camera at a party smoking a bomb that was allegedly marijuana. | ||
| You know, he shouldn't have apologized for that. | ||
| He shouldn't have had to have apologized for that. | ||
| The thing is, they have those guys bent over a box because they're all just trying to get that sponsorship money. | ||
| Right. | ||
| Yeah, you have to be squeaky clean if you want to be on the Wheaties box. | ||
| Yeah, if you're an Olympian. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| They're not going to put Cypress Hill on the Wheaties box just yet. | ||
| Wouldn't that be great, though? | ||
| But take the T-H out and add an E and put a D and I-E-S at the end. | ||
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Let's go. | |
| Wheaties. | ||
| Yeah, I don't know, man. | ||
| You guys were so far ahead of the curve, though. | ||
| I mean, you had weed songs. | ||
| Like, when? | ||
| Like, what year? | ||
| The first album was in 91. And we started writing for that album probably four years prior. | ||
| Wow. | ||
| And, you know, the weed songs, those came about because we were weed heads. | ||
| You know, we just, fuck it, let's be ourselves, right? | ||
| It's a different thing, though, for people that were fans. | ||
| Because when I was listening to you, I was just getting ready to move from Boston to New York. | ||
| And back then, you would hear about new hip-hop bands from, like, friends. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| It was word of mouth. | ||
| Yeah, man. | ||
| For sure. | ||
| I would hear about it. | ||
| I think somebody I worked out with had it, and I was like, what the fuck is this? | ||
| And they're like, that's Cypress Hill. | ||
| I was like, damn. | ||
| Yeah, we were trying to be different, not sound like a typical West Coast group, because a lot of West Coast groups at that point, what the labels were looking for were NWA types and things like that, like either... | ||
| You know, gangster, West Coast gangster rap. | ||
| They were looking for that or either the Kid Frost Chicano type. | ||
| And we didn't want to do that. | ||
| We didn't want to foothold ourselves like that. | ||
| You know, Muggs being from New York, he wanted to sort of blend both worlds, right? | ||
| So, you know, we went with the East Coast type sound with L.A. type of slang mixed with East Coast slang. | ||
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Mm-hmm. | |
| And so people, you know, they were like, where the fuck are these guys from? | ||
| And people thought we were from Cypress Hill, New York, because there's a Cypress Hill down there. | ||
| And, you know, people just didn't really know at first, because we were one of the first groups that didn't put our images on any of our first, you know, any of our singles or our art covers. | ||
| We never did, like, the shots, like... | ||
| You know, that we're existing at that time where it's a clean shot of the group or the artist or whatever. | ||
| We were always on some, you know, because we were metalheads too, you know, before the hip hop, we liked the obscure metal album. | ||
| So we didn't, we were like, we're not going to put ourselves on the covers. | ||
| We're just going to do these crazy obscure covers and make people, you know, try to guess who we are, be mysterious. | ||
| Damn, we talk about longevity. | ||
| I mean, you guys have been around a long fucking time and never dropped off at all. | ||
| It's crazy, you know? | ||
| We didn't expect it. | ||
| We didn't know how long our run would be. | ||
| We just kept working, you know? | ||
| We always had a strong work ethic. | ||
| We were never... | ||
| The types just to sit around. | ||
| We're always doing something. | ||
| You know, Muggs is always making beats. | ||
| You know, I'm always writing to something. | ||
| I'm always into one project or another. | ||
| So it was always just about keeping busy and that suited us well. | ||
| It's crazy. | ||
| 28 years later. | ||
| Still banging it. | ||
| It's crazy what you say. | ||
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28 years. | |
| 28 years later from your first album, man. | ||
| And again, you guys never dropped off for a second. | ||
| Not once. | ||
| You were always there. | ||
| You have to be consistent in hip-hop, you know, in music in general. | ||
| Especially, like, if there's a time where radio stops playing your music or, you know, as MTV stopped playing music videos and they went for more... | ||
| Reality show type programming. | ||
| You gotta stick out there. | ||
| So for us, it was constantly doing shows. | ||
| We didn't put out as many albums as we could have, but we thought less was more. | ||
| Instead of driving the music into your heart like a steak or something like that, we just let everything breathe for a while. | ||
| And there was a time where we sort of let go of doing everything. | ||
| It was like a six-year period where we just kind of took off. | ||
| We weren't away completely. | ||
| We're still doing sporadic shows here and there to keep up the profile, but we weren't touring and working on music. | ||
| I was off fucking around competing in paintball tournaments. | ||
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Wait, really? | |
| You get into paintball? | ||
| Oh, man. | ||
| Yeah, I had a team called Stoned Assassins. | ||
| LAUGHTER And it was competitive paintball. | ||
| At the time, I was training martial arts, as I've done throughout my life, and I was also playing competitive paintball. | ||
| What kind of martial arts were you doing? | ||
| Shotokan. | ||
| I started off with Taekwondo, and I got sort of... | ||
| I mean, it's like... | ||
| It was... | ||
| It was... | ||
| The dojo was cool, you know, and I was progressing quickly, but I sort of fell out with the master there, with the Sifu or whatever. | ||
| I can't remember what it is. | ||
| Sabonim. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| And one of my partners who I grew up with, who was one of my partners in our Dr. Green Thumb brand and whatever, his father was a, you know, sensei and his sensei and became my sensei. | ||
| I went from Taekwondo to Shotokan. | ||
| And I started training with him. | ||
| I mean, he had been in the dojo since he was five years old, training with his father. | ||
| So, you know, I came into that. | ||
| It took a little bit of convincing for me to go from one thing to another, because it's such a different style. | ||
| But, you know, I adapted to it, and I liked it, and it was very different. | ||
| Less flash, but... | ||
| Very disciplined. | ||
| And his father, you know, he was, you know, born in Japan, raised out there, and he, you know, their shit is kind of different. | ||
| They go to martial arts universities, and they get degrees in different martial arts. | ||
| So they can go and take, like, okay, Hapkido and Jiu-Jitsu and Shotokan and all this, and, you know, get their... | ||
| Their degrees, you know, they work their way up in the belt system and all that stuff, but they become teachers through that university, I guess. | ||
| That's fascinating. | ||
| And, yeah, his father was one of the guys in one of the federations that he's one of the three or four senseis that have to come in and give you the black belt when you actually get it. | ||
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unidentified
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Ah. | |
| Yeah. | ||
| What was it? | ||
| SKFA or something like that. | ||
| I got, you know, I'm starting. | ||
| Shotokan Karate Federation, something like that. | ||
| Yeah, something like that. | ||
| So you could imagine when Lyoto Machida came on the scene, you know, we were like, yeah, someone representing the style that, you know, we were training under. | ||
| Yeah, a lot of people got excited when he came about. | ||
| He was really the first guy to legitimize karate in the modern era of mixed martial arts. | ||
| He showed, like, if you could do all those other things, if you could stuff takedowns and you knew submissions and all those things on top of that. | ||
| You could live. | ||
| Yeah, and you could do it in a weird way that people didn't really understand his timing. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| And Wonderboy Thompson's similar to that, too. | ||
| He's got a weird timing. | ||
| Weird timing. | ||
| And then the feints with the hips. | ||
| He was good with that shit. | ||
| He would throw people off with that. | ||
| And I just happened to go see his fight against Rashad Evans. | ||
| Oh, shit. | ||
| And, man, I mean, it surprised all of us. | ||
| I mean, we thought he would win, but we didn't know he would win in that fashion. | ||
| I mean... | ||
| Yeah, he was something special. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| You know, I mean, and he's doing, he's over at Bellator now, right, with his brother. | ||
| His brother Chinzo's been over there for a while. | ||
| His brother, I think his brother's a bantamweight or featherweight, one of those. | ||
| But yeah, I think it's good to go from Taekwondo to other styles because Taekwondo gives you a lot of dexterity. | ||
| You only have to move your legs easily. | ||
| Yes, absolutely. | ||
| It's a good foundation. | ||
| Yeah, it's a good way to start off. | ||
| It's good for little kids, too. | ||
| For sure. | ||
| There's not a lot of head contact. | ||
| The coordination, too, yeah. | ||
| Yeah, and then when you learn, if you really actually want to fight, you want to learn Muay Thai and all those other things, you have way quicker legs. | ||
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Yeah. | |
| They just move better. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| For me, I was never good with all those flashy kicks like that. | ||
| You're a big dude. | ||
| Yeah, it was harder for me, Taekwondo. | ||
| The Shotokan was definitely hard, but it was more suited for someone my size. | ||
| It's a hard style. | ||
| Shotokan's a hard style. | ||
| It is, man. | ||
| It's a good style. | ||
| When he was training us, he would not let up. | ||
| Oh, be real, let me go light on him. | ||
| Nah. | ||
| Everything I did, like, you know, that I did outside of music, like, for instance, paintball. | ||
| When it went into paintball, there was a price on my head every game. | ||
| Everybody wanted to give me extra shots. | ||
| So, like, if I got hit while I'm walking out, I would get 10, 20 extra paintballs to my back. | ||
| And we'd give it right back to them. | ||
| In the very next game, when we played them guys again, we were making sure to give them that right back. | ||
| So you got deep into this. | ||
| Oh yeah, it was, man. | ||
| It's addicting, man. | ||
| I gotta tell you, if there's any physical activity that is addicting, it is paintball, because it's chess with guns. | ||
| Because it's so fast and so close, and you gotta think of a strategy, you know? | ||
| It's not all shooting straightway, it's all shooting angles and getting your guys to positions to get those guys out to keep moving up, to get their flag, wipe them out, and bring the flag back. | ||
| Now, are there restrictions on power, like the power of the guns? | ||
| Yeah, yeah. | ||
| I believe you can't shoot above 300 PSI. I think it's the highest you can shoot is maybe 285, 290, at least at the time. | ||
| If you go balls out, if you wanted to get the ultimate paintball gun, what is that? | ||
| Oh, man. | ||
| It's hard, because we were using different guns at the time, because it's like each year a better gun comes out. | ||
| The technology gets better. | ||
| So, you know, we were using it first when we started these guns called Angels, and then we went over into these other guns. | ||
| Fuck, I can't remember the name of them. | ||
| They were light. | ||
| I mean, the best thing is to have a light gun with the trigger that you can fan, see? | ||
| Because that's the technique to get it to shoot like an Uzi, right? | ||
| You're not supposed to be able to pull the trigger and multiple balls come out with one pull. | ||
| It's supposed to be that the gun shoots as fast as your two fingers or three can toggle. | ||
| So if you get a rhythm, you could shoot that thing like a fucking Uzi. | ||
| And everybody has a different position. | ||
| Like mine, I was like one of the quarterbacks, which is the last three on the line. | ||
| See, it's like a football field, right? | ||
| You got the 50, and there's obstacles at the 50, and in between, and it's mirrored on the other side. | ||
| The quarterbacks play the back. | ||
| And they shoot a whole bunch of paint so that the other guys that are the front and mid guys can get into these different positions to shoot the other guys out. | ||
| So the guys in the back, we're shooting the most paint. | ||
| So you have to use that fanning style. | ||
| So you're using three fingers? | ||
| Three fingers. | ||
| Because the trigger, the base where you're pulling the trigger, you can fit three fingers there. | ||
| It's really for two, but you could fit three. | ||
| Yeah, this was our team right here. | ||
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Stoned Assassin's 07. And we were always pretty stoned when we were playing. | |
| Did that help? | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| The furthest we went, we took third place in one tournament. | ||
| Wow, so this is crazy. | ||
| You guys have these barriers and shit? | ||
| Yeah, these are all blow-up barriers right here. | ||
| It looks like a football field. | ||
| Yeah, that's what they would replicate, like a football, soccer field, and you put all these obstacles up, these blow-up obstacles, and they're all just positions to try to take to get a better angle on the other side. | ||
| And what's the ultimate goal? | ||
| To take everybody out? | ||
| You get points for taking the other side out, but you get the maximum points getting their flag and bringing it back to your side. | ||
| And, you know, you get points for how many guys on your side that are still alive. | ||
| So, you know, you would get 100% if all seven of your guys were alive. | ||
| You killed all of them and brought their flag. | ||
| Did that ever happen? | ||
| Oh, yeah. | ||
| Damn, who are you playing? | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| You know, the thing about paintball, right, is that let's just say there's six tiers, right? | ||
| There's the pros, there's the semi-pros, there's the amateurs, there's the novice, there's the rookie. | ||
| And each tier had at least 200 teams competing in this. | ||
| Wow. | ||
| Per tournament. | ||
| And these guys, back in that time, I don't know how it is now because I haven't competed in a long time, but they would do five tournaments a year. | ||
| One would be in Huntington Beach, the biggest one, and it was awesome. | ||
| They would throw it right next to a surfing tournament. | ||
| So it would just be people crossing up, watching the surfers, and then coming and watching the paintball. | ||
| Then it would head to Boston and Florida and Las Vegas and one other place. | ||
| I can't remember. | ||
| But we would do these tournaments. | ||
| I was doing them for like four or five years. | ||
| And the guy before me that was the ambassador was one of the Bee Gees. | ||
| One of the Bee Gees. | ||
| The one who passed away first. | ||
| Barry Gibb? | ||
| Was it Barry? | ||
| No, he was the one that always wore the hat. | ||
| He was the shorter one. | ||
| So he was a paintball fiend? | ||
| He was a paintball fiend, like myself. | ||
| He owned a store. | ||
| He had a team, I think it was based out of Miami, and he would compete up until when he passed away. | ||
| He was like the ambassador. | ||
| Wow, there he is. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| I came in and took his spot. | ||
| Maurice. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| Maurice. | ||
| Maurice Gibb. | ||
| That's crazy. | ||
| I had no idea. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| Wow, you guys are armored the fuck up, huh? | ||
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Yeah. | |
| These things are going to sting. | ||
|
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Yeah. | |
| Oh, man. | ||
| I mean, I'd leave with at least 20 paintball bruises, you know, in one sitting. | ||
| And, you know, you look like a leopard coming off after that. | ||
| You know who else was a big paintball enthusiast was William Shatner. | ||
| Really? | ||
| Yeah, he would hold these crazy tournaments, like, in Trekkie style, where it's a scenario game. | ||
| Meaning that, okay, here's the castle... | ||
| I'm going to be in the castle right here. | ||
| You guys got to siege the castle. | ||
| And if you guys can come get me out of here, you guys win this round. | ||
| And they would, through the three days, they'd set up different scenarios. | ||
| Like, there you go. | ||
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See it. | |
| William Shackner playing paintball. | ||
| This is crazy. | ||
| I would have never guessed. | ||
| But how does he run? | ||
| He can't run. | ||
| He's like eight years old. | ||
| He doesn't run. | ||
| They put him in a central place and he'll shoot. | ||
| Sometimes he would go out there, but... | ||
| So he would just stay put? | ||
| Yeah, he would stay put. | ||
| You would have to protect him. | ||
| That's like old man paintball. | ||
| He would fight, too. | ||
| He would fight, too, but they would be trying to protect him. | ||
| Oh, that's so crazy. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| Wow. | ||
| And, I mean, there's a bunch of celebrities that paintballed, man. | ||
| Will Smith was paintballing before he did iRobot. | ||
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Really? | |
| He did that. | ||
| He came down to the park where we would practice at. | ||
| We played with him and his team. | ||
| But it was a scenario game. | ||
| Joaquin Phoenix, Makai Pfeiffer. | ||
| I mean, you'd be surprised how many people... | ||
| Well, it looks like fun. | ||
| I guess I shouldn't be surprised. | ||
| You let off steam. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| How many people on a team? | ||
| On a competition team, you have 11 for the roster and 7 play at a time. | ||
| And you can switch guys out. | ||
| But now it's different. | ||
| Now they do like 5-man and 3-man teams. | ||
| I don't know anything about the new style. | ||
| But they constantly call me back. | ||
| Because I'm in better shape than I was when I played. | ||
| I was a little bit heavier then. | ||
| That's why I was at quarterback. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| You know, I wasn't running too fast then, but you know, they always hit me, man. | ||
| I'll always get hit on my DM on IG or Twitter like, hey man, when you come back to the paintball field, I'm like, when I get time, which is probably never, but It seems like a big-time suck. | ||
| Loved it, man. | ||
| I loved playing the game. | ||
| It was so addicting. | ||
| It was hard to pull away from it. | ||
| I would even, at times, be coming home from a tour straight into a tournament. | ||
| Like, I'd get off the plane, I'd have somebody have my paintball shit ready, and boom, straight to the tournament. | ||
| Can't tell you how many times I was doing that. | ||
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Really? | |
| Yeah, it was fucking crazy. | ||
| It's funny when things get in your blood, right? | ||
| They get in your bones. | ||
| Yeah, that got in my blood like martial arts did because I was always like an enthusiast for a long time. | ||
| And when I finally started training, I was training like seven days a week, man. | ||
| I wouldn't give myself any time off because I wanted to learn fast and I wanted to absorb it. | ||
| Did you ever fuck with jiu-jitsu? | ||
| No, I always wanted to, but I never did. | ||
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Why not now? | |
| You're in good shape. | ||
| I thought about it. | ||
| Come on down to 10th planet, man. | ||
| You fit right in. | ||
| I think I will. | ||
| A lot of people have asked me and invited me because they know I'm a UFC fan, I'm a mixed martial arts fan, I'm a boxing fan, all that shit. | ||
| You know, a couple of my cousins are... | ||
| Well, one of them was a champion professional boxer, which was Michael Carbajal. | ||
| And his nephew... | ||
| He was your cousin? | ||
| Yeah, that's my cousin. | ||
| Damn! | ||
| I met him one day at the Comedy Store. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| Long time ago, man. | ||
| Yeah, when he was a champ, he was... | ||
| He was a beast. | ||
| He was a beast. | ||
| And his nephew is now boxing, Kenan Carbajal. | ||
| Oh, okay, cool. | ||
| So, yeah, you know, we're rooting for family right there. | ||
| He's from Arizona, right? | ||
| Yeah, from AZ, yeah. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| So, yeah, I've been invited to, you know, come fuck with some jujitsu, and I think I, you know, I think I will, because, I mean, you gotta know it. | ||
| I think, you know, it's something that would benefit anyone to know that. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| So that you don't actually, you know, get in a fight and have to hurt somebody bad, or they hurt you, you know what I'm saying? | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| Just choke them. | ||
| Just choke them out. | ||
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Yeah. | |
| I saw Everlast choke some guy out one night, and it was the fucking... | ||
| Because, you know, he fucks around a little bit, you know? | ||
| He knows people that teach jujitsu, and they've taught him a couple things. | ||
| We're at the Rainbow one night where we were holding court, just smoking like it's Amsterdam down there. | ||
| And we were having a conversation, and he kept hearing some dude across the... | ||
| Cross a couple tables over. | ||
| Kept saying, Everlast this, Everlast that. | ||
| And he said, Yo, money! | ||
| Say my name one more time! | ||
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And he goes, Everlast? | |
| And he went back to talking to his people because he didn't think Everlast was going to come up and do nothing. | ||
| Everlast went and walked over to this table, looked to his face, turned him around real quick, and started choking him in the fucking ass. | ||
| Say my name again, buddy! | ||
| Say it! | ||
| Oh, Jesus. | ||
|
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Oh, man. | |
| It was hilarious. | ||
| But, yeah, man. | ||
| Well, 10th Planet is downtown, right near where your place is. | ||
| Yeah, yeah. | ||
| So your studio or your setup, that's real close to 10th Planet Jiu-Jitsu. | ||
| Yeah, man. | ||
| Just let me know. | ||
| I'll set it up. | ||
| I will, man. | ||
| You gotta avoid any flat earth conversations that come up. | ||
| Just plug your ears and keep moving. | ||
| I get those from time to time, you know? | ||
| People need to stay the fuck off of YouTube, man. | ||
|
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Shh! | |
| Man. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| They get confused. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| That's the craziest shit. | ||
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Yeah. | |
| Because I always argue like this about the flat earth, right? | ||
| So, hey, listen. | ||
| If we got a flat earth, there's an edge. | ||
| Right? | ||
| And there's always thrill seekers looking to do something thrilling. | ||
| And there's always a thrill seeker that fucks up and falls right off of that edge. | ||
| Right? | ||
| So how many motherfuckers would be falling off the edge of the earth if we really had one? | ||
| Oh, for sure. | ||
| You know? | ||
| There would be climbers. | ||
| There'd be a bunch of dudes who would try to hang off the edge and take selfies. | ||
| Think about it, right? | ||
| 12 people this year have died at the Grand Canyon. | ||
| That's the Grand Canyon. | ||
| Is that really that many? | ||
| That many. | ||
| Damn. | ||
| So far in this year. | ||
| And some people die of a heart attack there because, you know, it's too much for them to be on that little bridge that they have there that extends past the edge of a canyon. | ||
| They put in a little bridgeway so that you can go and look down. | ||
| People have heart attacks? | ||
| And people have had heart attacks from that. | ||
| But the other guys are the ones trying to do selfies. | ||
| Falling off the fucking bridge and plummeting, right? | ||
| So you gotta think, man, if we had a flat earth, how many people would be visiting the edge and falling off taking a selfie, man? | ||
| There's no, you know, come on. | ||
| No doubt. | ||
| There'd be teams of people. | ||
| Teams! | ||
| They would travel to flat earth and they would, like, rope. | ||
| Like Alex Honnold would probably try to climb off the side. | ||
| We'd hear it on the news. | ||
| Another person has died from falling off the edge of the earth. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| It would be 100%. | ||
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That'd be our 100th fatality decision. | |
| The flat earth people would tell you, though, that the government guards that. | ||
| Yeah, and our edge. | ||
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Guard the edge. | |
| Yeah, you can't go near it, bro. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
|
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Battleships. | |
| Well, there wouldn't be just one edge, though, right? | ||
| That's true. | ||
| But they didn't think that through. | ||
| Yeah, no. | ||
| There'd be several edges if we're flat. | ||
| Yeah, but see, you gotta have that YouTube mentality. | ||
| You gotta put your head in a little box and leave it in there. | ||
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Yeah. | |
| Fucking turn the oven box on and stick your head in it. | ||
| The government's blocking the edge, man. | ||
| You can't get near it. | ||
| Yeah, it's like we're living in a dome. | ||
| You know, that's the theory. | ||
| That's the other one. | ||
| Yeah, the dome. | ||
| The dome theory. | ||
| Yeah, there's no space. | ||
| Space is fake. | ||
| Fuck, man. | ||
| People smoke too much. | ||
| People want to believe in some crazy shit, you know? | ||
| I wonder how much of them are stoners. | ||
| Like, most of them, right? | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| How many of them are microdosing? | ||
| Oh, good. | ||
| Yeah, probably. | ||
| You know, because that's a thing now. | ||
| Everybody's like fucking microdosing right now. | ||
| And it's not bad for you. | ||
| They say it's actually, you know, kind of good for you, but... | ||
| Ron White's doing it. | ||
| Ron White microdoses psilocybin every day. | ||
| He goes, well, I never felt better in my life. | ||
| And they like to talk when they're microdosing. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| Especially psilocybin. | ||
| You just have these ideas. | ||
| That's the thing. | ||
| You have ideas and your mind becomes open to shit that normally you're closed off to, obviously. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| I think they think that the earth is a disk. | ||
| I think that's what I've heard recently. | ||
| They think it's a disk. | ||
| A disk. | ||
| Some sort of a floating disk. | ||
| Hmm. | ||
| And then we live in the firmament or something like that. | ||
| There's like some sort of a cover over the top of the disc. | ||
| And that's what the... | ||
| Here it is. | ||
| What is this, Jamie? | ||
| It's the cruise. | ||
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Huh? | |
| The cruise next year that they're at. | ||
| The flat earth cruise? | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| Oh my god. | ||
| Is that real? | ||
| Best adventure yet. | ||
| They're gonna get to the fucking glaciers and they're gonna go, I told you the wall! | ||
| The flat earth cruise. | ||
| I hope they jump out and get eaten by polar bears. | ||
| That's the funniest shit. | ||
| It has to use GPS to get around. | ||
| Good luck with that. | ||
| How many scientists do they have on their side? | ||
| All of them. | ||
| That's the funniest shit. | ||
| No, it's fucking ridiculous. | ||
| There's gigantic satellites that take huge, high-resolution photos of the Earth every 10 seconds from orbit, from thousands of miles out. | ||
| Those are doctored. | ||
| Yeah, it's just the whole thing is so fucking stupid. | ||
| Of all the shit to believe in, to invest any energy in that, why would someone lie about the shape of the Earth? | ||
| That's the dumbest part about it. | ||
| You want to know what I think is before the internet and all these different platforms where you can get information, our government and other governments could debunk any information on UFOs, anything, because there wasn't the wide communication that exists now, right? | ||
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Yeah. | |
| So I think now they put in people who are saying this crazy, wild, way-out shit so that people that are really trying to expose truth on certain things, they get looked at as whack jobs like the rest of those that are trying to say, oh, well, Flat Earth, or we're on a disc, or we're in a globe, or blah, blah, blah. | ||
| The government's spying on you. | ||
| They'll throw all that together. | ||
| The government is spying on you. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| They are. | ||
| That is for sure. | ||
| No, they really are. | ||
| Since George Bush Jr. was president, they've been listening to our phone calls. | ||
| I mean, that's a fact. | ||
| I mean, that was one of the things they enacted with the Homeland Security, that they can record every American's call. | ||
| And, you know, whatever conversation mentioned certain keywords, as we were saying earlier, they would, you know, they would get shuffled off to a certain department. | ||
| And those guys were red flagged and looked at. | ||
| And that still happens today. | ||
| Still to this day, you don't need a warrant, then you just listen. | ||
| I mean, I'll tell you this, right? | ||
| I've been traveling, what, 20 some odd years at this point where when I was coming back into the United States, for a long time I would not get randomly checked or anything like that. | ||
| They just let us go by. | ||
| And I made a few posts somewhere, you know, with an abundant amount of cannabis, right? | ||
| And right after that post, each time I came back into the United States, they sent me into secondary for a search. | ||
| And I started asking, like, hey, I've been traveling for X amount of years now. | ||
| I've noticed that the last four times that I've come back from another country, you guys are randomly checking my bags now. | ||
| What's the deal? | ||
| Am I red flagged? | ||
| What's going on with my passport? | ||
| Well, I'm not really allowed to tell you this, but what kind of postings have you made on your social networks? | ||
| Really? | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| And I said, okay, say no more. | ||
| And I already knew what it was because I had put like, you know, a post with like four, five, six pounds in it. | ||
| What does five pounds of weed even look like? | ||
| It's a lot. | ||
| It's so light. | ||
| That's like giant pillows filled with weed. | ||
| So, you know, right then and there I knew, you know, from that reaction that he had that anybody with any sort of, that's involved in entertainment, music, athlete, you know, whatever, actor, actress, they're watching all of our shit. | ||
| Oh, for sure. | ||
| They're listening and they're watching. | ||
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Okay. | |
| Well, especially someone like you who's been at the forefront of pushing cannabis legalization and always talked about it openly, flagrantly, even when it was a Schedule I substance. | ||
| Oh, yeah. | ||
| Everywhere, you know? | ||
| When did you get a medical card? | ||
| What year? | ||
| The year that it was available. | ||
| The first year it was available. | ||
| Was that like 95 or something? | ||
| 94? | ||
| Yeah, I think I got mine from Dr. Eidelman. | ||
| Dr. Eidelman hooked me up, too. | ||
| Yeah, all right. | ||
| We're Eidelman brothers. | ||
| All right. | ||
| A lot of us are. | ||
| I used to go to him even when it was way more expensive because I'm like, that guy's an OG. Yeah. | ||
| Hey, bro. | ||
| Like, he told me, he goes, my God. | ||
| Because I lost track of him for a minute, you know, and when I went back to get a renewal some years back and he's like, Lewis, you've been with me a long time. | ||
| I mean, what it looks like is that you're patient number four. | ||
| Whoa! | ||
| Number four on his first, because he keeps a list of all his patients, I guess, you know, and apparently I was number four. | ||
| Yeah, even though there was doctors out here, I would always go travel to see him in Hollywood, just out of respect. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| And he always had these, he had like OG stoners in the waiting room. | ||
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Oh yeah. | |
| Just people that were just like barely holding on to reality. | ||
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Oh yeah. | |
| He had all sorts. | ||
| He had the hippies, he had the new, you know, new gens, hip hop people. | ||
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Yeah. | |
| He had vitamin drips and shit too, all kinds of weird stuff in his office. | ||
| Yeah, he would try to sell you on some different technology anytime he can. | ||
| This will help you stop smoking cigarettes. | ||
| Well, I don't smoke cigarettes. | ||
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Oh yeah, he had like a thing that you put on your ear, like a little electrical thing. | |
| A little electrode. | ||
| Yeah, they gave one to Redband. | ||
| It didn't work. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| You know, you got to try something, right? | ||
| Yeah, it was like a battery-powered thing, right? | ||
| Give a little charge to your ear that somehow or another is supposed to stop you from smoking cigarettes. | ||
| It's like... | ||
| Yeah, I didn't get it. | ||
| I didn't smoke cigarettes, so I was like, I don't smoke cigarettes. | ||
| Did you ever get your lungs checked out from all those years of weed smoking? | ||
| Yeah, I mean, you know, I get physicals and stuff like that, and, you know, occasionally I'll have my lungs checked, and they tell me they're great. | ||
| Isn't that amazing? | ||
| It's crazy. | ||
| You know, because I think if you keep active, you know, like you train and a lot of us train now. | ||
| Like this generation, they're not like lazy stoners. | ||
| They don't just sit back and do nothing. | ||
| There still are those, but... | ||
| You know, I don't think it has the same carcinogens as, you know, people expected, you know, like cigarettes. | ||
| It doesn't. | ||
| And so, you know, you might look at someone's lungs who smokes cigarettes and you might see something there and like, hey, you need to, you know, slow the fuck down over here. | ||
| And every time that I've had my lungs checked or whatever, whether I've gotten sick or whatever, they're always telling me lungs are in good shape. | ||
| And it's a funny thing because I think in 1987, I was 17 and I was gangbanging. | ||
| I got shot, and I got hit by a.22, and as hollow points do, it broke into three pieces, the hollow point, and one of them punctured my lung on my left side. | ||
| And, you know, they were telling me, well, you know, do you smoke? | ||
| No, I don't really smoke because I didn't smoke cigarettes. | ||
| I smoked weed, but I wasn't going to divulge that at the time. | ||
| I was 17 and, you know, and they said, well, you know, well, that's good because you'll never smoke again. | ||
| They punctured your lung and blah, blah, blah. | ||
| They thought I was going to have to work off one lung. | ||
| But in the three days, you know, they were able to get the blood out of the lung and I was able to get it back, you know, through the exercises they told me, you know, to get it back to its regular size. | ||
| And I've never had a problem since then. | ||
| Knock on wood. | ||
| Did they take the piece of metal out? | ||
| No, I still got the three pieces. | ||
| That's like when I go do my physicals and they do the MRIs and the x-rays and all that. | ||
| The doctors, you know, sometimes they forget because they see so many patients. | ||
| Mr. Freeze, these appear to be bullet fragments. | ||
| What is that? | ||
| Well, you just said it, Doc. | ||
| They're bullet fragments. | ||
| You've seen them a dozen times. | ||
| Yeah, I was very lucky. | ||
| I was very lucky because it punctured my lung and then two of the pieces, one was by the heart and one was by my spine. | ||
| But I was at Martin Luther King Hospital in Linwood and we call that place Killer King because you go in there for something small and end up dying or come out gimped out or something. | ||
| So, you know, I wasn't going to allow them to try and get to those bullets or those fragments. | ||
| To open you up? | ||
| Yeah, no, no, no. | ||
| Because, you know, they didn't have a great success rate. | ||
| What kind of lung exercise do they give you? | ||
| Try to pump your lungs back up. | ||
| They give you this breathing apparatus that has like a ball in it, right? | ||
| And it has two lines. | ||
| And, you know, it's the first line you're trying to, they're telling you every day for five minutes, ten minutes to blow that, you know, not all in one shot, but like to keep practicing getting the ball up there. | ||
| And that will help inflate the lung and get it back. | ||
| So I had to do that for probably like three weeks. | ||
| And, you know, the puncture wound, it healed itself, pretty much. | ||
| And the pieces are still in your lung? | ||
| Not in the lung, no. | ||
| It went past the lung. | ||
| It shot past the lung. | ||
| So, you know, I got a piece up here. | ||
| One off to the side in the back. | ||
| Well, when it's really cold, due to the nerve damage, I'll get like stinging. | ||
| You know, like when your hand falls asleep, the little needles. | ||
| I'll get that here, and then back here where it entered. | ||
| They had to cut right in between a rib here to stick the tube in to put the hose into the lung to get the blood out of the lung. | ||
| Damn. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| I was living crazy before I got into the music. | ||
| The music saved my life, pretty much. | ||
| Really? | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| How long were you gangbanging for? | ||
| For some years, you know, I started young. | ||
| I was probably 13 years old. | ||
| Whoa! | ||
| Gangbanging. | ||
| And I got out of it probably... | ||
| I didn't necessarily get out. | ||
| But I changed up what I was doing. | ||
| Because you don't ever really get out, per se, unless they jump you out. | ||
| And, you know, I was too into it to be jumped out like that. | ||
| You know what I mean? | ||
| That wasn't... | ||
| Something I was going to do because, you know, for as negative as it was, it taught me a lot. | ||
| So my boys that I, you know, ran with, they understood I was trying to do something different. | ||
| You know, I made a choice to try the music and leave that shit alone because there was no way that you do both. | ||
| If you do both, you see the results of that, what's happening today with a lot of cats. | ||
| You know what I mean? | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| Try to ride the line, be professional and be in the music, but they're still kind of in this world over here, and when one bleeds into the other, it fucks everything up. | ||
| So I chose. | ||
| I was going to do music and just talk about those life experiences and whatnot. | ||
| That was probably at 18 that I started taking on the music, and that's where it went, you know. | ||
| Like when you said you learned a lot from it, like what did you learn from it? | ||
| Well, you know, your street, you know, there's common sense and then there's common sense on the streets. | ||
| And then there's being aware and looking out and, you know, not being a doormat. | ||
| And just, it's a whole different type of schooling when you're gangbanging. | ||
| You know, it's... | ||
| The way you carry yourself, the way you communicate with someone and know whether they're disrespecting you or not, and how you deal with that disrespect, which is a whole different world in the gangbang shit, but it's a different kind of education. | ||
| I wouldn't take it back. | ||
| Some of the things I definitely regretted while I was doing it, for sure, but Yeah. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| for these kids to be doing something, you know, because not everybody's good at sports, you know, but there has to be other opportunities other than that to get kids interested in doing something else. | ||
| Because falling into the gangs, it's easy. | ||
| If you don't have a good home life at home, the guys on the street are your second family and they eventually become your first family. | ||
| You know what I mean? | ||
| And if you don't have a father figure at home, one of the guys in the gang becomes your mentor. | ||
| He could become the guy you look up to as your father figure. | ||
| There's that. | ||
| And then... | ||
| There's not enough programs out there to keep people into doing something different than falling into that. | ||
| And then sometimes, you know, it just it's a matter of, you know, you growing up in this neighborhood. | ||
| If you have to walk down that street and they approach you and say, hey, you live in this hood, you got to be with us. | ||
| If you don't, we're going to make it hard for you. | ||
| So there's that peer pressure. | ||
| And then there's the legacy shit. | ||
| Like, so if my father was a gangster in this gang and he still lives in this neighborhood, pressure's on for me eventually to take up where father left off. | ||
| You know, and it's all those things. | ||
| And then some people just are thrill seekers and they choose it. | ||
| They have nothing, you know, in common with none of that. | ||
| They just choose it. | ||
| For some people, too, it's so appealing to have somewhere that you belong. | ||
| Right. | ||
| And that's the thing, because if you don't feel like you belong in your school or you don't belong in your family, that shit can totally take hold, and you end up there. | ||
| Fortunately, I had good friends that weren't gangbangers. | ||
| They had talent for music, which was Muggs and Sen's brother, Mello. | ||
| They were... | ||
| I did music as a hobby before I got into gangs and they got me back into the music because they recognized something in me and said, hey, we want you to come back. | ||
| We got these opportunities over here. | ||
| Come join us. | ||
| Did you always have that style? | ||
| No, I didn't. | ||
| When did you develop that? | ||
| Once we started working on our Cypress Hill demos, Muggs came to me and said, Hey man, you gotta do something. | ||
| You gotta do something different. | ||
| Otherwise, you're gonna write for Sen. | ||
| Because Sen had a good voice. | ||
| His shit was locked in. | ||
| My voice, I was rapping in a voice similar to the one I'm talking. | ||
| And although the rhymes were good... | ||
| It didn't cut through on the style like on the beats. | ||
| It just sounded like some regular shit. | ||
| So I didn't want to be someone's writer. | ||
| I wanted to write for myself. | ||
| There was a guy that we used to listen to coming up. | ||
| His name was Ram LZ. He was on this record called Wild Style and he was in the movie. | ||
| He was this rapper who was very obscure, But he was an artist too, you know, like a graffiti artist, but then also an artist, you know, but he was also a rapper. | ||
| And what he would do is he'd rap in a regular style, like his talking voice. | ||
| This is the brother they call the Ram Bell. | ||
| He had a deep voice like that. | ||
| And then he would flip right in the middle. | ||
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Take it up town to Cypress Hill with the shotgun, blah, blah, blah, like that. | |
| And, you know, we were always freaking out on that he had two styles. | ||
| So I tried throwing my voice in that sort of similar style, and it ended up sticking. | ||
| I didn't really like... | ||
| I didn't think anybody was going to like it. | ||
| I thought they were going to be like, get the fuck out of here with that. | ||
| But they ended up liking it. | ||
| And I think the first song that came about in that style was the song Real Estate off our first album. | ||
| It's, you know, that was where I tried it the first time they liked it. | ||
| it so then kill a man came next and i tried that song in that style and hand on the pump and it just became a flow after that and i really did not feel it at first i was like fuck i can't believe they got me rapping in this voice right and it it took it took a minute to get used to that You know, like doing it live? | ||
| Because, you know, I had a tendency as rappers, you know, that don't know because there's no school for this unless you have somebody who's done it and they teach you, okay, this is what the get down is. | ||
| And we didn't have that really. | ||
| It was all hands-on learning. | ||
| For the first few years, man, I was trying to do the voice and I'd end up getting overhyped because the crowd is hype and I'd start yelling the verses instead of rapping them on the record. | ||
| I'd throw my voice out, my voice would get scratchy, I'd be sounding like Busta Rhymes and shit, you know what I mean? | ||
| And it took me five years to actually harness how to actually do the shows with this voice. | ||
| And I had to go to this opera singer coach. | ||
| Really? | ||
| Her name was something, Elizabeth Sabine or something like that. | ||
| She trained a lot of folks. | ||
| But her shit was like to teach you the operatic way of singing, which is from the diaphragm. | ||
| Tighten the stomach, take little breaths, but those little breaths make your lungs expand a lot, and it's less projection from your throat and more from the bottom. | ||
| And she taught me that technique, and I never went hoarse again after that. | ||
| People often compliment me on sounding so close to how the records are. | ||
| There's once in a while where I might get excited and start saying it louder than it might be, but I'm always sort of right there. | ||
| And I gotta give all props to her, because if she hadn't showed me that technique, I'd probably still... | ||
| Be yelling and screaming my shit out. | ||
| Fucking up my voice, you know? | ||
| Yeah, that brings up an interesting point. | ||
| Is this her? | ||
| Yeah, she's teaching somebody how to sing heavy metal right here. | ||
| No way, let me hear something. | ||
| Oh, we can't play this on YouTube. | ||
| We'll get kicked off YouTube. | ||
| And she was an opera singer at one time. | ||
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Wow. | |
| But she went on to teach people the technique. | ||
| No kidding, man. | ||
| That is wild. | ||
| See, because if you try to keep your breath and sustain a long note like that from your chest, you won't sustain that note long enough. | ||
| Doing it from your diaphragm? | ||
| Yeah, if you tighten up, it's almost like if you're going to take a shit. | ||
| Instead of from the throat. | ||
| That makes sense. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| It allows your lungs to expand while you're breathing from your diaphragm. | ||
| So that's what she taught a lot of singers. | ||
| And another method is to cheat the word. | ||
| Like, pronounce it, you know, like you're kind of like, it's like what these mumble rappers do when they pronounce the word and they kind of mumble it and they sort of cheat it. | ||
| You know what the word is, but they didn't pronounce it all the way. | ||
| Right. | ||
| So, in other words, if you were going to sing the line, come with me, so it sounds a little bit cleaner, you'd say, come with me. | ||
| But in the way you would say it, it's more with a G. Right. | ||
| But it's so tucked in that you hear, come with me. | ||
| And it's just a cheating way of saying it to get the line a little bit cleaner and fucking, you know, in the breath. | ||
| And she taught me all that shit, and it worked for rap. | ||
| I didn't know if it would, because, I mean, she primarily taught singers. | ||
| I was probably the first rapper that she taught this technique to, and it stuck, man. | ||
| How'd you find her? | ||
| Um, one of my friends had heard of her, you know, because I mean, in the industry, you know, become friends with other, you know, your peers and stuff like that. | ||
| And, you know, I knew a couple singers and they were, you know, noting my problem is just, you know, screaming my verses and coming back with the And | ||
| fuck, she taught me the warm-up. | ||
| She taught me the certain words that you can cheat for certain breath control purposes because the way you pronounce certain things sort of add to that and just the tightening of the diaphragm. | ||
| If I hadn't learned that, it would have took me a lot longer to do the shows the way that I can do them now. | ||
| So do you warm up before shows? | ||
| I don't necessarily need to. | ||
| From the first song on, my voice gets in. | ||
| The first few bars, it warms up right then and there. | ||
| It's not really like singing where I gotta sustain notes and stuff like that, so I don't have to do those same kind of warm-ups. | ||
| If I was gonna sing some shit, yes, I would definitely have to get the pitch right and the throat warmed up to do those different melodies or whatever the hell, but... | ||
| Fortunately, I don't sing. | ||
| The whole rap world has always been fascinating to me, like how someone gets in. | ||
| Like, how do you get started? | ||
| Are there open mics? | ||
| Yeah, back in the day, man, someone had to be the guy endorsing you, you know, like saying to, you know, these guys over here, hey, man, listen to this artist right here. | ||
| They're the new shit. | ||
| They're going to be the one. | ||
| And then you would have to do a couple showcases and stuff like that and, you know, win some people over. | ||
| I mean, we definitely did our share of showcases in the beginning, but we were getting passed on left and right. | ||
| Because people thought, what are they talking about with this cannabis shit? | ||
| And we didn't sound like a West Coast group, you know, because we were trying to sell our shit to West Coast labels here, and they did not get us. | ||
| It wasn't until, you know, Muggs had, you know, he'd previously been in a group called 73, and he had worked with these guys called the Rhyme Syndicate, which was Ice-T's guys. | ||
| So he kind of, you know, he was the guy that people knew. | ||
| And then Send Dog's brother, Mellow Man Ace, eventually would get in the door. | ||
| And so, people started hearing about us through, you know, through more Mugs than Mellow. | ||
| Mellow didn't really do shit for us, you know, all truth told. | ||
| But Mugs, you know, they kept hearing about a group that he was forming outside of 783, which came to be Cypress Hill. | ||
| And so, you know, the guys that worked on him... | ||
| Worked with him on the 783 records, which is Joe Niccolo of Rough House Records. | ||
| You know, he wanted to sign whatever Muggs was doing. | ||
| And, you know, he eventually ended up signing us. | ||
| And they had a distribution deal with Sony Music. | ||
| So, you know, we put out our records to Rough House Columbia or Rough House Sony, something like that. | ||
| And that's how we got put on, you know. | ||
| And... | ||
| Again, it had to be word of mouth because if nobody heard of you, you had to have some really fucking dope music for them to even consider you. | ||
| If you didn't have someone backing you, it was tough. | ||
| You had to have someone come speak on your behalf and say, hey, these guys are the new shit. | ||
| And... | ||
| Fortunately for us, once we put out our snippet tape, like when Sony put out our snippet tape, guys like EPMD, right? | ||
| And they were one of our favorite groups in the world, man. | ||
| They were the top five for Cyprus. | ||
| Public Enemy, Beastie Boys, EPMD. Love EPMD. Yeah, fuck. | ||
| They were the shit. | ||
| And those were the guys that took our snippet tape and they were showing our snippet tape to other rappers like, hey guys, look at these new fucking guys because... | ||
| You know, Busta Rhyme told me this story. | ||
| Yo, son, I heard your shit from EPMD way back in the day. | ||
| They was playing for Public Enemy and I just happened to be in the room. | ||
| And Ice Cube, when we met him for the first time, and we had our ups and downs with him, but he's one of my homies. | ||
| He told me, yeah, man, the first time I heard of y'all was through EPMD. We was on tour, was doing the show, and they came in with y'all taping. | ||
| That's how I heard of y'all. | ||
| They were like our first street team, man. | ||
| Fucking EPMD. One of our top three favorite groups was out there with our snippet tape telling people, hey, these guys are the new shit. | ||
| Are they still together? | ||
| They do stuff occasionally, but I think they do more work individually now. | ||
| I know Eric Sermon is putting out a record right now. | ||
| He was just promoting it on some radio show. | ||
| And... | ||
| I mean, those guys still stay active. | ||
| I mean, he's a producer, so he's always making music, but as a rapper, they don't put out as much stuff as they used to, but yeah, they're still active. | ||
| You know who I miss? | ||
| Cool G Rap. | ||
| Cool G Rap. | ||
| I still bust out. | ||
| A lot of guys don't have a style if he had never come out. | ||
| So many people were influenced by him. | ||
| Bad motherfuckers. | ||
| A lot of people forgot about him. | ||
| A lot of people forgot about him. | ||
| And he was one of the baddest dudes. | ||
| I mean, a lot of people, you know, would talk about Big Daddy Kane and Rakim. | ||
| Sure. | ||
| But you couldn't talk about them without talking about Coogee Rap because he was like one of those guys, like spitting mad verses, man. | ||
| Like his bar work was incredible. | ||
| Yeah, he was incredible. | ||
| I still listen to that song, Cockblockin'. | ||
| Every now and then I'll throw that on. | ||
| And I gotta tell you, if you hear songs that he does today, he is still fucking current. | ||
| He's still got that style that cuts through. | ||
| Some of the older artists, they sort of lose the style that people love and... | ||
| They don't know how to transition into, you know, what their style would be right now. | ||
| You know, like updating, whatever that style is. | ||
| You know, a lot of the older artists had troubles doing that, you know, but my man Coogee Rap. | ||
| Not a fucking problem. | ||
| Ill street blues. | ||
| He's still ill. | ||
| Yeah, he was fantastic. | ||
| Yeah, I always got confused why he didn't get bigger. | ||
| I didn't get it. | ||
| This guy's so good! | ||
| You know, I think it was just the wave that came after him. | ||
| You know, it's like he was such an underground force. | ||
| And if you're an underground force, you know, you had to make a conscious decision whether, okay... | ||
| If I go mainstream, I'm going to lose these hardcore fans. | ||
| I might gain these mainstream fans, but how long are they going to stay with me as opposed to these core fans that they're... | ||
| But with his style, he couldn't just keep them? | ||
| I thought he could. | ||
| A lot of guys kept them, right? | ||
| You want to know something? | ||
| I think it was due to the record company not wanting to take the chance. | ||
| Because as an artist, you want everybody to hear your shit. | ||
| For us, we didn't play those games. | ||
| We said, fuck it. | ||
| If we felt it was the right look for us, we were going to take it. | ||
| No matter what anybody thought. | ||
| And... | ||
| Again, you face scrutiny for shit like that, but in the end, if you didn't play yourself, people remember that. | ||
| And we said, fuck it, we're going to take our music mainstream, even though that was not our intent. | ||
| We always meant ourselves to be a more underground group. | ||
| But Insane in the Brain didn't allow that. | ||
| It propelled us. | ||
| So we were like, okay, well... | ||
| We're going to take our underground asses up into this mainstream and show them how we do it. | ||
| And it kicked the door open for a lot of other underground acts to go into the mainstream. | ||
| And we proved that if you do it right, and if you stay on your game, and if you keep working and stay present... | ||
| And put out quality music that you can sustain those mainstream fans that you gain right there and the core. | ||
| Yeah, you guys sustained so well that people covered your shit. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| Like Rage. | ||
| That was awesome. | ||
| Rage Against the Machine when they covered Pistol Grip Pump on my left at all times. | ||
| Holy shit. | ||
| One of my favorite bands. | ||
| Zach Della Rocha yelling that? | ||
| Yeah, that shit was awesome. | ||
| He took a totally different take on it, but like a cover. | ||
| It was a cover, but it was his take. | ||
| It was badass. | ||
| It was one of my favorites, man. | ||
| And it was an honor to me because I was really good friends with them to begin with. | ||
| I saw them come out the gate before they exploded and became Rage Against the Machine. | ||
| And so for them to cover one of our songs, we were like, man... | ||
| Fuck yeah. | ||
| You know, because they helped us get better. | ||
| You know, there was a lot of groups that we looked to for influence, even if they were doing different style of music. | ||
| Like, Public Enemy was an influence to us. | ||
| Rage Against the Machine was an inspiration to us to, like, push the envelope a little bit more on what we were doing. | ||
| Not necessarily, like, how they were, because they had their own sound, just like we had our own sound. | ||
| So... | ||
| They made us push, you know in groups like that made us better So when we heard this guy fucking doing or this band doing the cover and then they asked us to come play this song Which which would be their last night as rage against the machine for a long time. | ||
| This was like their last show right here Wow, we got to do that with them That must have been amazing and I was wearing a dad hat before dad hats were cool I will not wear one right now. | ||
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| I don't know what I was thinking, but fuck it. | ||
| That's hilarious. | ||
| That's hilarious. | ||
| Nah, it was a fun show, man. | ||
| I went into the mosh pit. | ||
| Oh, did you really? | ||
| Yeah, before that song. | ||
| Before they called us up for that song, for most of their set, I was in the mosh pit. | ||
| And there was USC front linemen down there wrecking shop in the mosh pit, bro. | ||
| I was in there with them. | ||
| They were protecting me. | ||
| I was like, oh shit, be real, you're up in it. | ||
| I'm like, yep. | ||
| That we're a record shop together. | ||
| It was awesome. | ||
| There's a video of Dana White in a mosh pit once. | ||
| I don't know what the fuck he was thinking. | ||
| He must have been drunk. | ||
| He jumped in the mosh pit like years ago. | ||
| He's a big dude though. | ||
| He's a big dude. | ||
| He's jumping around there, moshing around. | ||
| Yeah, I dated a girl who got KO'd in a mosh pit once. | ||
| Oh man. | ||
| Hey, it's crazy, man. | ||
| I used to go into a lot of different mosh pits, man. | ||
| He's in the Rage mosh pit. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| Most of it is safe, but every now and then you're running to a dickhead. | ||
| I'll tell you, man, the craziest mosh pits that I saw... | ||
| Well, the craziest mosh pits I've gotten into, there was a Limp Bizkit mosh pit that was crazy, but the craziest was the Rage mosh pit. | ||
| But the ones that I've seen from outside of it, not being in it, that were crazy was there was a Soundgarden mosh pit. | ||
| Soundgarden? | ||
| Yeah, at Lollapalooza. | ||
| Early on, it was when they had Bad Motor Finger out. | ||
| Oh, man. | ||
| That fucking mosh pit was like a whirlpool of chaos, bro. | ||
| I was loving it. | ||
| And I was on Mushrooms watching this shit. | ||
| So, it was fucking amazing. | ||
| And then the Slayer mosh pit, man. | ||
| Their fucking shit is brutal. | ||
| Yeah, that sounds like just the pace of Slayer. | ||
| It's crazy. | ||
| But I got to tell you, since joining Prophets of Rage and us, you know, when we tour Europe and stuff like that, and we do a combination of, you know, Rage Against the Machine songs, Public Enemy and Cypress Hill, along with our own material, the mosh pits are fucking crazy, man. | ||
| But, you know, there was one thing that I saw that was not brutal, but it was cool as fuck. | ||
| And it was in, I believe it was Sweden or Switzerland, but out of like the 60,000, 70,000 people that were out there, there was like maybe 5,000 concentrated people who sat down on their ass, right? | ||
| And were like... | ||
| What the fuck are these people doing? | ||
| Are they protesting our set? | ||
| What the fuck is going on, right? | ||
| And what was crazy is, you know, you're not going to stop playing. | ||
| You just keep going. | ||
| So we start on, I believe the song was Gorilla Radio that we were playing at that point. | ||
| All of a sudden, we see them start doing this. | ||
| They're rowing? | ||
| They were rowing. | ||
| It was like a Viking row. | ||
| It was a fucking move. | ||
| It was a move that the crowd was doing. | ||
| So there's 5,000 people out of the 30,000 that are sitting in, you know, like next to each other, lines, rows, you know, just fucking of people rowing on beat, dog. | ||
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Wow, here they go. | |
| Fucking Vikings, man. | ||
| How crazy. | ||
| That DNA just stuck with those people. | ||
| And that was just the little section of it, man. | ||
| If you were to see from stage, there was like, it was spotted groups. | ||
| And they sat down. | ||
| And they sat down and were rowing. | ||
| That's so fucking crazy. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| Have you ever seen the, there was a, they did a Viking chant once at a soccer game? | ||
| Crazy, man. | ||
| Oh man, it's wild because the whole fucking arena did it. | ||
| And you feel it. | ||
| You feel that shit. | ||
| You're like, woo! | ||
| You gotta think, man, when they were going to wars back in the day, they rallied all their guys up just like that. | ||
| Look at that. | ||
| Yeah, look at all those fucking people. | ||
| They're out of tune, though. | ||
| This fucking boat's gonna go sideways. | ||
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Yeah. | |
| You know, I don't know where that move comes from, but it looks cool when you see it. | ||
| It looks cool as fuck. | ||
| It's got to be an old school Viking thing. | ||
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Yeah. | |
| They probably do it when they get drunk. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| I mean, you know, think about it. | ||
| You know, they used to conquest motherfuckers, so they're like fucking rowing, rowing and rowing. | ||
| Imagine here. | ||
| Like, see if you can find the Viking one at a soccer game. | ||
| Because it's like, I think it's at a World Cup or something like that, but they're like, Yeah! | ||
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Yeah! | |
| Yeah! | ||
| You hear it in the crowd, and he's like, oh my god, imagine hearing that shit over the water. | ||
| When they're coming to get you. | ||
| Coming towards your village. | ||
| Like, grab the baby, we're gonna live in the woods. | ||
| Fuck! | ||
| We gotta get out of here! | ||
| Yeah, and those are big dudes. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| Here it is. | ||
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Oh. | |
| Oh, yeah. | ||
| Look at that. | ||
| Oh, tuned in together, man. | ||
| They're all in sync. | ||
| Look at the hands. | ||
| That's spooky. | ||
| Yeah, imagine that. | ||
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Those motherfuckers, if somebody reignites them, they'll take over the world again. | |
| They will take over the world again if there's enough of them. | ||
| Imagine that horde coming at you, bro. | ||
| A fucking crazy line of DNA. You know, a line of people that just were conquerors. | ||
| Sturdy motherfuckers. | ||
| Sturdy giant motherfuckers who did mushrooms. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| They would blaze up, mushroom their fucking heads into oblivion, and just go slash people. | ||
| Go get them. | ||
| It's crazy, man. | ||
| There's another one? | ||
| There's another one. | ||
| So that's like their thing, the Viking club. | ||
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I guess the NFL Vikings sort of adopted this recently. | |
| They do it in their football games. | ||
| Yeah, but look at that dork with the glasses. | ||
| Put your fucking hands down, man. | ||
| Stop. | ||
| Listen, bro. | ||
| You ain't a viking, bro. | ||
| They're trying to figure out the beat. | ||
| You stop that, sir. | ||
| Look, he's like, I get it. | ||
| He's a spiking. | ||
| So when you first start rapping, are you rapping with kids in your neighborhood? | ||
| Are you aspiring to be a rapper and writing shit down and trying things on your friends? | ||
| How do you get started? | ||
| Well, the way that I started, I was writing poetry first. | ||
| Really? | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| What kind of poetry? | ||
| Just hood stuff. | ||
| Just stuff that rhymed, but... | ||
| Just sort of writing it down. | ||
| It was almost like writing raps, but it's without saying it, right? | ||
| You read it and shit like that. | ||
| I would just write poetry about everyday shit. | ||
| You know what I mean? | ||
| Nothing... | ||
| You know, I wasn't like doing like the, I don't know if there's like categories of poetry, but you know, it was just stuff that would happen from day to day, you know. | ||
| And I had a knack for writing. | ||
| I realized that. | ||
| And I always wanted to be a journalist. | ||
| That's, you know, the thing that I thought I was going to be at school, right? | ||
| Do you write now? | ||
| I was for a while, but I looked at it. | ||
| What kind of stuff? | ||
| Just, again, everyday stuff, or I'd randomly pick something to write about. | ||
| So if it was about the cannabis industry, I'd write something about that. | ||
| If it was about the music industry, I'd write something about that. | ||
| Every now and then, back in the early 2000s, there was a magazine called Industry Insider Magazine, and occasionally I would write articles for that. | ||
| I wasn't really that great because, you know, I was so spotty in school that, you know, it needed work. | ||
| But they left it raw, the way that I would put it out there. | ||
| And people got my point, and that was cool, but... | ||
| I looked at it in the way that the music that I've done in a lot of the songs serve as a certain form of journalism for me. | ||
| Bringing up certain issues that people don't necessarily hear, like Throw Your Set in the Air is a song on Tebble's Boom, and it's a song about how you would get inducted into a gang, how you get put into a gang, how you fall into it. | ||
| And some people might think, you know, by hearing it that it was glorifying it and praising it, but it wasn't. | ||
| It was basically, this is how it is. | ||
| So you know the signs to look for if your kids are, you know, fucking around with the wrong people, you know, and that's... | ||
| I took it like, okay, maybe I'm not a journalist like I intended to be, but this is my way of it. | ||
| I can enlighten people with certain things. | ||
| Like anything, somebody's going to read something or hear something and maybe misinterpret what you say, but it's all about who's listening and who's reading and who's watching and stuff like that and their interpretation of it. | ||
| Some get it. | ||
| Some don't, and that's just the nature of it, but most people get it, and I've come across people that have come to me and come and said, hey man, your song's on Temple of Boom, man. | ||
| They helped to get me through these times, or these songs raised me. | ||
| They taught me this, this, and that. | ||
| That's awesome. | ||
| And to me, that's the impact right there. | ||
| That's the shit that means more time. | ||
| Right, because I'm sure you remember songs that got you through, right? | ||
| Oh yeah, for sure. | ||
| You know, there was songs from KRS-One and Public Enemy that, you know, got me through and fired me up. | ||
| You know, and inspired and stuff like that. | ||
| KRS-One's another one people forget about, man. | ||
| I'll be in my car just going, whoop, whoop. | ||
| That's the son of the police. | ||
| Yeah, I mean, he taught me how to be a bullhorn. | ||
| You know what I mean? | ||
| Like, tell the truth. | ||
| You know, your truth. | ||
| Get the word out. | ||
| And not be fearful of what might happen because he could have been one of the biggest stars in hip-hop. | ||
| He chose not to be. | ||
| He chose to be a voice. | ||
| And sometimes in being that voice, you know, you get objects put in front of you and certain opportunities don't, you know, get put on your table. | ||
| He says some great shit, man. | ||
| He's talking about getting mad at the president. | ||
| It's like being mad at the manager at McDonald's. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| You know, for the way the corporation's being run. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| He is very insightful in the shit that he says, and he is very unafraid to state it and state his opinions. | ||
| For you to get people coming up to you, when they first started coming up to you, telling you that your music got them through things, that it means so much to them, when that first started happening, that must have been surreal. | ||
| You know, yeah. | ||
| Because as an artist, especially as a young artist, that's not something you think about. | ||
| Oh, well, these songs are going to... | ||
| Well, it depends on the artist you are, right? | ||
| Well, you guys hit... | ||
| How old were you? | ||
| Like, 23 or something like that? | ||
| How old were you when... | ||
| I was like, we released in 91, and it really started going for us in 92, so I was 22. You're a kid! | ||
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Yeah. | |
| That's so crazy! | ||
| Yep, there goes the baby fro. | ||
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Wow. | |
| Wow. | ||
| Look at the baby fro. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| But I mean, think about that, man. | ||
| That is so crazy for you to go from the guy who... | ||
| Yo, MTV Raps! | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| Who remembers that? | ||
| I did a bungee jump at this spring break with Tretch from Naughty By Nature. | ||
| Was that the one that was in Cancun? | ||
| No, that was Daytona Beach right there. | ||
| Oh, okay. | ||
| When MTV was still allowed over there. | ||
| It was back when MTV had music. | ||
| Yeah, when they had music format. | ||
| MTV was music videos. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| Good luck finding a fucking music video now. | ||
| I guess they still have them. | ||
| You gotta go to YouTube. | ||
| Yeah, exactly. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| Wow, that is wild. | ||
| What was it like when it first started popping off and you were 22 years old? | ||
| Did it feel real? | ||
| It was a crazy thing because it's not something that I had ever envisioned happening. | ||
| I didn't think that the music would blow up like that. | ||
| We were doing it to obviously try and make a name for ourselves and make music that people like, but fuck, we didn't see that coming at all. | ||
| Especially with Insane in the Brain. | ||
| When they told me... | ||
| Like when Kill A Man started going, it was like surreal because, you know, we didn't think that song would take just because of the chorus itself. | ||
| You know, fuck what the song is about. | ||
| We knew that the chorus was what they were going to hear more than anything. | ||
| And so, you know, we thought, nah, we're going to have a good Underground album. | ||
| We didn't realize it would blow up. | ||
| We didn't think they were going to put Kill A Man in the Juice movie, and that would blow that song up even more so than it was getting. | ||
| Because we had released Funky Phil ones first, and it was a double A-side single, Funky Phil and Kill A Man on the other A-side. | ||
| Which means, at that time, the DJs had the option of which song they wanted to go, whereas most of the time, you had an A-side, B-side, and the A-side is most definitely the one that the record company wants you to push. | ||
| We gave it a double A-side because we thought maybe the DJs would like Kill A Man More. | ||
| They went with Funky Phil and the record company because they figured it would be easier to market, right? | ||
| And then the DJs started flipping the record. | ||
| Of course. | ||
| And we started getting traction behind that. | ||
| Our record was out like six months, had dropped off the chart, and they flipped the record. | ||
| Our shit slowly starts to go back up the chart. | ||
| We got back on the chart and started climbing. | ||
| And we were getting a whole lot of mixed show play. | ||
| And then we started doing a lot of promotional shows, that being one of them. | ||
| And it started going. | ||
| And Kill A Man started getting us going. | ||
| And, I mean, we toured for... | ||
| Probably a year and a half, just a lot of promotional shows, not getting paid, just Sony having us out there promoting the record. | ||
| And by the time our record got back up into the middle of the charts, I mean, it was still rising, and they saw that. | ||
| They were like, we got to get them off the road in making a new record. | ||
| So that's when we got out there with Black Sunday. | ||
| And with Black Sunday and Insane coming out, again, that's not a song I thought would blow up when they chose that for the single. | ||
| I'm like, well, alright, there's better songs, but fuck it. | ||
| That's the one. | ||
| Okay. | ||
| So it comes out, boom, it explodes, and now we have... | ||
| Our Black Sunday charting at number one coming in. | ||
| And our first album had come all the way from the bottom to hit number five. | ||
| So we had two albums in the top ten of the 200 songs on the chart, which no one had ever done in hip-hop before. | ||
| We had one in five slot. | ||
| And, you know, fuck, we definitely didn't think that was going to happen. | ||
| I mean, you know, it was all a surprise. | ||
| And It went from one minute you could go to a mall and be, you know, unassuming and nobody even knows who the fuck you are and, you know, you're getting about your day to now you go to the mall and the whole fucking mall is swarming on you like fucking you're like... | ||
| You know, Paul McCartney or something. | ||
| It was the craziest shit. | ||
| They would ask us to leave the malls. | ||
| Really? | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| I used to go to this one called the Montebello. | ||
| It was in Montebello. | ||
| I can't remember what the name of the mall was, but it was in Montebello, the only one down there at the time. | ||
| And we knew everybody there as we're coming up because that's where we'd go shop. | ||
| So you make friends and people in the shop and stuff like that. | ||
| And when we come back off a tour this time and try to go to that mall... | ||
| You know, one of our friends fucked up and wore a Cypress Hill jacket. | ||
| Oh. | ||
| And that's like a fucking billboard when you're standing next to one of us, right? | ||
| So, before you know it, boom, we get swooped in, you know. | ||
| That was pre-cell phone, too. | ||
| Yeah, and the mall security goes, hey, man, you know, I know it's fucked up, but you guys gotta go. | ||
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I was like... | |
| Really? | ||
| I was like, yeah, man. | ||
| It's a commotion. | ||
| You guys gotta go. | ||
| They're telling me. | ||
| I was like, they think somebody's gonna fight. | ||
| I'm like, alright. | ||
| I never went back to that mall after that. | ||
| I was like, alright. | ||
| Cool. | ||
| Because, you know, one, I didn't want to cause them problems. | ||
| Two, now it was tough to go somewhere at that time and not get, you know... | ||
| Swarmed. | ||
| Not get swarmed, yeah. | ||
| It was quite... | ||
| Quite an experience, man. | ||
| Because you only ever hear about it till it happens. | ||
| And you might, if you have friends in the industry and it's happening for them, you might see it indirectly through their shit. | ||
| And we had friends in the business. | ||
| Kid Frost was one of my friends before we got out there and Is he still around? | ||
| Yeah, yeah, he still does stuff. | ||
| I don't know if he's putting out so much new music these days, but he's still here and there. | ||
| He's doing some of the cannabis industry stuff, too, because he's a big connoisseur. | ||
| I got to tell you, my man used to smoke like a train, man. | ||
| Him and I would trade joints off left and right. | ||
| But, you know, for a time, you know, I would go hang with him at his gigs. | ||
| I'd be his bodyguard because I was the one that was not afraid to carry the hammer, meaning the magnum in my waistline. | ||
| You know, we were cowboys, man. | ||
| We were always armed at that time from 89 to probably 97 or 98. We were holding pistols. | ||
| On our hip like cowboys. | ||
| And, you know, he knew that. | ||
| So, he would ask me to go to the gigs, you know, double as his bodyguard. | ||
| I wasn't his bodyguard, but I was his bodyguard. | ||
| You know what I mean? | ||
| Right, right. | ||
| And I'd see the way he handled it. | ||
| And I'd see the way, you know, people crowded around him. | ||
| And... | ||
| So I learned how to deal with it watching how he would do it in a negative way or a positive way. | ||
| Because he sometimes embraced the crowd. | ||
| Sometimes he's like, fuck off me. | ||
| Like a lot of artists are. | ||
| And... | ||
| That sort of prepared me so that when we got in our lane, I knew how to sort of deal with it. | ||
| I was always courteous and cool and respectful and never the guy that was like, nah man, fuck that, get out of here. | ||
| Because I see it and some of my homies were like that. | ||
| I hated the feeling that when the fans would walk away, just totally fucking wind out of their sails and shit like that. | ||
| Now they don't like this artist ever again. | ||
| And I saw that. | ||
| And I never wanted to have anyone walk away with that experience. | ||
| I always embraced it, even when it was a pain in the ass, you know? | ||
| So... | ||
| When was your first time ever getting on stage? | ||
| Do you remember? | ||
| First time... | ||
| There used to be a club called Radiotron here in the 80s, right? | ||
| And it was the hip-hop club. | ||
| If you were into hip-hop, any aspect of it, whether it was rapping, breakdancing, popping, graffiti, all the people went to that spot. | ||
| And... | ||
| It was hard to get in there, and it was hard to get on the mic, no less. | ||
| But we had a homie who was like a legendary DJ out here when the AM station was playing hip-hop. | ||
| His name was Tony G, and he was the leader of the Mixmaster show, the head Mixmaster. | ||
| And he had a residency at the Radiotron. | ||
| So we grew up with one of his boys that was his... | ||
| His protege. | ||
| So they invited us over, and myself and Sen got on the mic and Mello, and I froze the fuck up, I tell you. | ||
| I froze up. | ||
| I forgot every rap I ever wrote or ever memorized. | ||
| I was like, uh... | ||
| It would be one of the two times that I would freeze in my life. | ||
| And that was the first time I was on stage. | ||
| And all those people looking at me, waiting, expecting something. | ||
| I totally blew it, you know? | ||
| And I told myself, okay, I got to get over the nervousness. | ||
| And then the other thing we were doing was... | ||
| It was like... | ||
| They wanted rappers to do this PSA for some bullshit, right? | ||
| And they wanted us to write this rap and put all this certain information in there. | ||
| And I had it. | ||
| I had it memorized. | ||
| I had it locked in. | ||
| The minute they said, go, and they were filming it, you know, this was to film it, I kept fucking it up horribly. | ||
| I didn't even get through it. | ||
| I was like, I'm sorry, I can't do it. | ||
| Fuck. | ||
| I was getting mad at myself doing that. | ||
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Fuck! | |
| Fuck, what's wrong with me? | ||
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Were you high? | |
| No, I wasn't. | ||
| Maybe that was the problem. | ||
| That was probably the problem, you know, because when I'm not high is when shit like this happens, right? | ||
| So those were the two times that I totally fucked it up. | ||
| And from the last time, I said, I'll never do that again. | ||
| I'm going to be prepared, and I'm going to get through the anxiety or whatever it is. | ||
| And so those were the first two times. | ||
| But the first time on stage where I actually... | ||
| Pulled it off. | ||
| It was probably one of our first showcases. | ||
| It was at this place off of the 10. It wasn't a showcase. | ||
| It was actually a competition. | ||
| You know how they used to do competitions at clubs? | ||
| What do they call it? | ||
| I forgot what they used to call them. | ||
| But, you know, different bands would, it was like a battle of the bands, right? | ||
| So we went in and I'm coming off of that horrible fucking deal that had just happened, you know, maybe a month or two before. | ||
| And I totally got over it. | ||
| And we were performing real estate, you know, in this showcase. | ||
| And we lost, but we made the biggest impression there because the song, you know, we performed it like, you know, the way that it's supposed to be. | ||
| And then at the end, Send Dog jumped on the big judge's table and he, you know, he grabbed his balls right in front of the fucking female judge. | ||
| And then as he jumps off the table, it breaks in half into her lap. | ||
| Oh, no. | ||
| And everybody loved it. | ||
| We lost to these dudes who are like new edition wannabes. | ||
| We called them Tootsie Rolls, but we don't remember the name. | ||
| They won. | ||
| But in reality, we won because everybody was talking about us at the end, you know, like how raw that was. | ||
| And after that show, I realized... | ||
| You know, this is how I'm supposed to do it. | ||
| And I seen KRS-One do a show one time where the sound went out. | ||
| He didn't have a stage. | ||
| He was on a couple of tables that were put together. | ||
| And he just got up in front of the whole club, no microphone, no music, and just started rapping his verses. | ||
| And people were rapping right along with him. | ||
| Not giving a fuck that the sound turned off, but the fact that he just continued to do the show. | ||
| And that right there taught me a lot about how you control shit on stage. | ||
| Yeah, sometimes when things go wrong, it's a great opportunity. | ||
| Oh, yeah. | ||
| We did a show at the Improv last month. | ||
| Maybe last month or the month before, the power went out. | ||
| And they're like, what do you want to do? | ||
| I said, fuck it. | ||
| Let's do a show. | ||
| I could yell. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| So everybody just did the show with no microphone. | ||
| But the Improv's a small room. | ||
| It's only 180 people. | ||
| Yeah, I mean, that place was, you know, a small place, too. | ||
| But, I mean, it goes to show you, man, like, if you got it, you can do it. | ||
| Yeah, it's probably better sometimes because it's unique. | ||
| Yeah, because people will remember, you know, the other way, yeah, you know, it probably would have been a great show and people would be talking about it, but they'll remember the fact that you got over that adversity. | ||
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| And we're able to still deliver. | ||
| And that's the shit that KRS-One did for me. | ||
| He showed me through the adversity. | ||
| He kept doing the show and the people were still with him. | ||
| And I thought, okay, one day that's going to be me. | ||
| And I'm going to do what the teacher does. | ||
| And, you know, that... | ||
| That had been one of the most important things that I learned in watching others do shows and stuff like that and what I would do when I got up there. | ||
| And I applied all those lessons, man. | ||
| And it's made me who I am as my part of Cypress Hill. | ||
| And when I do my solo stuff and when I'm with Prophets of Rage, that got me prepped for everything that I do now in terms of music. | ||
| Now, how did you... | ||
| Well, it's good for you to tell people that you had a real hard time your first time performing. | ||
| Oh, yeah. | ||
| There's probably a lot of people out there that get anxious. | ||
| Yeah, a lot of people never say that. | ||
| They'll lie, you know? | ||
| But I think that's important. | ||
| And there's nothing wrong with those feelings, man. | ||
| It's good. | ||
| You've got to learn, man. | ||
| You're a kid. | ||
| It's like you liken it to college stars that are coming into the professional sports now, like basketball players, for instance. | ||
| You get this number one draft pick. | ||
| He comes to a team, and everybody has these high expectations. | ||
| No one knows that this kid... | ||
| Some people own the space, like LeBron and Kobe and Kevin Garnett, who came straight from high school, and they own the space the minute they got... | ||
| I mean, Kobe had to work. | ||
| He wasn't the greatest, you know, when he started, he had to work to get to where he was at. | ||
| And a lot of these guys do. | ||
| Some of them, you know, again, they come in and they already got it. | ||
| You know, like LeBron, he was, you know, playing a grown man's game right when he got into the league, thrown into the fire, but he was ready for that. | ||
| He got better and learned the role and learned who he was as he's gone, but he was one of those rare people that can just jump into it. | ||
| Some people have to get better at it. | ||
| It's the same thing with music. | ||
| You get thrown on that big stage for the first time. | ||
| If you're not prepped for it, you're going to definitely be nervous. | ||
| Now you could either embrace that and... | ||
| It'll be your first show and you can do a good one or you can do a horrible one, but either way you can learn from that. | ||
| And if you don't learn from it, then the run is short. | ||
| If you learn from it, you learn how to get better and sustain a longer career. | ||
| How did you learn how to get over the anxiety? | ||
| Like your first show, the first show sucked like that. | ||
| What did you learn? | ||
| Did you take classes? | ||
| Did you read a book? | ||
| You know what we did that helped me was that we rehearsed a lot. | ||
| Because for me it was like more remembering the songs. | ||
| It wasn't like the nerve to go out in front of people. | ||
| Because we came from the breakdance in b-boy culture, the popping and stuff like that. | ||
| So much of that is going against someone, battling someone in front of a crowd. | ||
| And if you can be in front of a crowd doing that, because that's vulnerable. | ||
| I mean, you know, because in a battle, you could either win or you lose. | ||
| And if you lose, you know, obviously you can lose in an embarrassing way or you lose in a close battle. | ||
| But either way, people are sitting there watching you, judging you, either cheering you or booing you. | ||
| You know, any one of those. | ||
| So that helped me be able to get on stage and perform in front of people. | ||
| For me, it was more about knowing the songs, making sure that I know them through the nervousness. | ||
| You know, and so for us, we did a lot of rehearsals in the early days just so that those first shows that we did, that we were locked in and we made an impression. | ||
| And, you know, when we did that and we saw the results of how people were reacting to our show, it gave me more confidence. | ||
| So, you know, I'd rehearse the songs in my head, you know, when I wasn't around the other guys. | ||
| I'd be kicking the songs or be on a treadmill working out, saying the songs, you know, getting them in my head and just gave me the confidence that I know this fucking shit. | ||
| I go up there, I'll rock this fucking thing. | ||
| I'm not going to forget it because that's always the problem for me. | ||
| It was never getting in front of people. | ||
| It was, do I know my shit? | ||
| And now I know it in such a way that like, you know, it's second nature. | ||
| Do I still get those nervous butterflies? | ||
| Yeah, for sure. | ||
| Some shows, depending who's watching, who's on the side stage or how big the crowd is and whatnot. | ||
| Yeah, I still get some of that. | ||
| But, you know, I do a quick meditation before I go out there. | ||
| You know, just in my head, real quick. | ||
| And then our band prayer. | ||
| And then that's the switch right there. | ||
| And we go and we're ready. | ||
| But it took me a while to get to that, you know, because it takes work. | ||
| It's like anything. | ||
| If you're an athlete, if you're a boxer, you're only going to get better by boxing all the time. | ||
| Training all the time. | ||
| Not overtraining, but making sure that you're in there putting in the work. | ||
| And it's... | ||
| The same thing when you're rocking stages, you know? | ||
| A lot of us sometimes forget to go and put the time in and rehearse. | ||
| And you could see that when there's a sloppy show or someone's out of breath or they're not saying the whole line or they said the line wrong or they're changing up fragments of the song to make it easier for their performance and it doesn't necessarily fit. | ||
| That's when you know somebody ain't putting in the work. | ||
| But for us, that was a part of the draw for Cypress. | ||
| That's how we won a lot of people over, was the energy of our live show. | ||
| But it took that, the rehearsals, man. | ||
| And I would tell any artist coming up right now, man, before you start doing your shows, because you may get a hit that fast these days. | ||
| And you may be called to go do that show. | ||
| Now, if you don't do that show right and you suck, as good as that song is, you're never going to sell tickets when they fucking say, hey, so-and-so's performing at this place. | ||
| Ah, fuck that. | ||
| I'd rather just listen to the record. | ||
| He sucks live. | ||
| You know, so rehearse, man. | ||
| Rehearse. | ||
| And then after that, hey, take, you know, do what you will. | ||
| But those, they fucking help, man. | ||
| You know, for your confidence on performing the song. | ||
| That's a wise thing to tell people, man. | ||
| Be a professional. | ||
| Be a pro. | ||
| You can be a professional. | ||
| Decide you're a professional. | ||
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That's right. | |
| Put in that fucking work. | ||
| That work does give you confidence. | ||
| And it works with fighting. | ||
| It works with comedy. | ||
| I'm sure it works with everything. | ||
| Yeah, man. | ||
| You gotta be pro-ficial. | ||
| You gotta be red D. Professional and official at the same time. | ||
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Pro-ficial. | |
| What is the meditation that you do? | ||
| Just the self-awareness, you know what I mean? | ||
| Like the circular breathing, you know, and concentrating on that and in the moment and then, you know, just letting that... | ||
| Clear my head. | ||
| You know what I mean? | ||
| Just focusing on the breathing. | ||
| I mean, that's what they tell you pretty much in any meditation to focus on the breathing and all these things are going to come through your head. | ||
| But if you keep on focusing on that, you know, everything sort of goes away and you're reset. | ||
| So, you know, I'll do that when I feel maybe some sort of anxiety before going on. | ||
| If I don't feel that, I don't necessarily do the meditation. | ||
| We'll just do the prayer and that sort of sets it all in. | ||
| Some shows, man, I'll have to go in a room and just sit there and do the breathing. | ||
| And it helps. | ||
| People might think, what the fuck is that going to do? | ||
| It's going to reset your mind and give you some clarity. | ||
| For me, at least, that's what it did. | ||
| What's the biggest crowd you guys ever performed in front of? | ||
| I think the biggest was Woodstock 94, I think it was. | ||
| 93, 94, and that was like 300 and 380 some odd thousand people. | ||
| That's so crazy! | ||
| Oh my god! | ||
| We've done some big ones. | ||
| That's a country! | ||
| That's a small European country. | ||
| We've done some at 100,000 people and 150,000 people. | ||
| Is there video of that, Jamie? | ||
| Oh my god, I gotta see this. | ||
| That's fucking insane! | ||
| That is insane! | ||
| I had just cut my hair right there. | ||
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I was like, you know... | |
| Oh, my God. | ||
| See the little guy next to Muggs? | ||
| He was our miniature knockout guy. | ||
| He knew Jiu-Jitsu, Taekwondo, Shotokan. | ||
| He trained with my boy Kenji, and he was like our unofficial security. | ||
| Oh, that's hilarious, because unassuming, right? | ||
| Yeah, he's a little guy. | ||
| I mean, he even did a few MMA fights some years back. | ||
| Look at the size of that fucking crowd! | ||
| That is insane! | ||
| I almost lost my shit right here because, you know, seeing 300 and some odd thousand people jumping around to your shit, you know, it could give you some equilibrium problems. | ||
| I would imagine. | ||
| Because it looks like waves crashing into each other when it's that big. | ||
| I mean, that's got to be one of the biggest concerts ever that anybody's ever performed in front of. | ||
| In North America, for sure. | ||
| I mean, in all of human history. | ||
| Yeah, it was one of the biggest. | ||
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How the fuck? | |
| I mean, how do you get more than 380,000 people together? | ||
| Yeah, it's crazy. | ||
| That's probably only happened a few times. | ||
| It's crazy. | ||
| I mean, every band they had on this particular bill was huge at the time. | ||
| So it was pretty crazy trying to just get there. | ||
| Some of us had to get in through boat. | ||
| Some of us had to get in through helicopter. | ||
| Why? | ||
| Because there's too many people? | ||
| Because they had started parking on the roads like the old school Woodstock. | ||
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Jesus Christ. | |
| And they jammed up the highways and stuff like that. | ||
| They pretty much shut the shit down. | ||
| Oh! | ||
| And I went in through helicopter and some of the other guys went in through the boat. | ||
| Helicopter? | ||
| That's when you know you're on top of the world. | ||
| You're flying into a show in a fucking helicopter like Tom Segura. | ||
| That's when you realize why you can't never get away from the cops when they're in the helicopter. | ||
| They fucking see everything. | ||
| Well, that's a funny thing, man, when you watch those dudes that are trying to escape from the cops on the ground, and then you watch the cops in the helicopter, the spotlight just stays in the car the entire time. | ||
| Look at that aerial. | ||
| Yeah, and that's just a piece of it right there. | ||
| And they had a rotating stage. | ||
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That is insane. | |
| What do you do when you have to take a shit? | ||
| Like how long does it take to get from the front row to the back if you have to take a shit? | ||
| I'll tell you, we walked around in that shit right there and it was super muddy and crazy and people were like butt naked with mud smeared all over their fucking bodies and it was like people went primal. | ||
| I swear to God. | ||
| There they go right there. | ||
| They were having mudslide parties. | ||
| Oh man, that looks awesome. | ||
| People made babies that day in their tent. | ||
| I'm sure they did. | ||
| For sure they did, yeah. | ||
| I'm sure there's a lot of people out there right now. | ||
| It was fucking crazy, man. | ||
| I gotta tell you, there was people out there totally hippied out, like straight up butt naked, and there was a good portion of them. | ||
| I mean, not in terms of the whole concert. | ||
| I mean, it was a small percentage, but you've seen just naked people walking around free out there. | ||
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It was crazy as fuck. | |
| We're like, is this really happening? | ||
| Shit, man. | ||
| And then the mud was so thick, man. | ||
| It was the type where if you walked through it with your shoes and your shoes weren't tight or you weren't wearing boots, it was sucking the shoe right off of your foot. | ||
| It happened to me a number of times. | ||
| Hell, in that show, I jumped into the crowd because normally I would jump into the crowd and just be floating, stage dive style, but I would still be doing the song. | ||
| Right. | ||
| And on that particular show, they took my shoes and socks... | ||
| I got back on stage with no shoes and socks. | ||
| And about 15 years later, I had one guy with one shoe come to the show and fucking have me sign it. | ||
| And then the other shoe, some chick had it and had me sign it some years later. | ||
| So I caught up with both shoes. | ||
| What about the socks? | ||
| Didn't catch up with the socks. | ||
| Didn't catch up with the socks. | ||
| But the shoes, yeah, caught up with them. | ||
| Do they have a limited amount of tickets for Woodstock? | ||
| I mean, what the fuck do they do when you get that many people? | ||
| I think they probably started with some sort of limit and then it became chaos. | ||
| You know, like something they couldn't handle. | ||
| Imagine if you lived there and that shit descended upon yourself. | ||
| Oh, they were pissed off. | ||
| I know they were pissed off. | ||
| They had a break for like fucking 25 years. | ||
| They had a break. | ||
| They sold 164,000 tickets, but the crowd estimated size was 550,000. | ||
| Okay, well shit, I was too short then. | ||
| It's 200,000 short. | ||
| Oh my god! | ||
| Because the rest rushed the gate. | ||
| They took the fence and took it down and they just fucking rolled on in. | ||
| I would imagine, yeah. | ||
| Because when it's an event that everybody wants to get to, they're going to find a way to it. | ||
| And it's outside. | ||
| And it's outside. | ||
| With those numbers, man, you can't stop that number. | ||
| No. | ||
| It's a great part of their history. | ||
| That one was a good one where no one got hurt. | ||
| There was no crazy shit happening like the next one after that. | ||
| What happened to the next one? | ||
| Well, shit. | ||
| They had a bunch of women say that they had gotten raped or molested at the one the following year. | ||
| There was fires and shit at the end. | ||
| Yeah, and then there was fires. | ||
| There was a whole bunch of people lost their fucking mind at that one. | ||
| And they had some great bands, too. | ||
| They don't do that anymore, right? | ||
| Woodstock's done. | ||
| They're doing it in the summer. | ||
| They're doing it in the summer. | ||
| What are you doing, you fucking idiots? | ||
| Move! | ||
| Sell your house! | ||
| Yeah, do something. | ||
| Do something. | ||
| It's crazy, though. | ||
| This is the fires. | ||
| Holy shit, man. | ||
| They had bonfires. | ||
| Yeah, I believe when Limp Bizkit or Corn went on, it was either Limp Bizkit or Corn, and the fires just fucking started. | ||
| People were pissed too because they were charging so much for water and they couldn't get to the bathrooms like you were asking. | ||
| They didn't have the facilities set up as well. | ||
| Yeah, they didn't have adequate facilities for what the fuck was popping. | ||
| I mean, you know. | ||
| Jesus Christ, look at the fucking, what it looks like after it's over. | ||
| Listen, a thousand Andy Gumps for 500,000 people is not going to do it. | ||
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Whoa! | |
| You need like 10,000. | ||
| Yeah, imagine being the dude who gets in there after 5,000. | ||
| I mean, look at that. | ||
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They totally took over the fucking highway right there. | |
| That is crazy. | ||
| They shut down the fucking highway. | ||
| They just parked their cars. | ||
| Yeah, they made the highway the parking lot. | ||
| That is crazy. | ||
| Look at that. | ||
| At least it was kind of orderly. | ||
| Sort of. | ||
| Sort of. | ||
| I'll tell you this though, they were cold-blooded, the organizers, because... | ||
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These guys had some fucking moxie, I'll tell you that. | |
| Hey listen, you know, after every band was done with their set, they expected you to leave right away because the next wave of bands was coming and they were getting your spot. | ||
| If you had a dressing room, once your set was done, you were expected to get the fuck out. | ||
| So you had a helicopter out of there? | ||
| Yeah, it was best if you did, because if you didn't take the ride when you were supposed to, you were getting stuck there. | ||
| They couldn't guarantee that they could give you the ride back to your shit after that, because they had all the other bands to think of, and they might not have room for you when they take the other bands. | ||
| It was like, yeah. | ||
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Look at that! | |
| Yup. | ||
| Ah, yes. | ||
| Look, it looks like Pac-Man. | ||
| Oh, my God. | ||
| It looks like Pac-Man fucking eating the stage right there. | ||
| That's insane. | ||
| That picture is insane. | ||
| Yeah, that's the one I'll remember the most. | ||
| I mean, we've done some huge gigs, but that one by far. | ||
| Never have we played for another 500,000. | ||
| What does it sound like when 500,000 people scream? | ||
| Much like that Viking chant. | ||
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Ha, ha, ha, ha. | |
| I mean, we had a small nation right there. | ||
| Yeah, for real. | ||
| Legitimately. | ||
| Like, when you leave there, and then you go do a regular gig afterwards, does it feel weird? | ||
| Yeah, well, it depends. | ||
| It takes some adjusting? | ||
| It does take some adjusting, you know, especially if the next gig isn't as hype as that. | ||
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You're like, fuck, we just came from Woodstock. | |
| But fortunately, the smaller gigs that we had after that, you know, in terms of playing festivals, they were like, you know... | ||
| In between 30,000, 70,000, 100,000. | ||
| And we felt that that gave us such an experience that we can handle any fucking stage. | ||
| So it became easier for us to do festivals after that. | ||
| And the reaction that we would get at these festivals were smaller versions of what we did there. | ||
| And it was a great experience. | ||
| Because we had been doing a couple of European festivals before that. | ||
| So it sort of prepared us for that. | ||
| But we didn't... | ||
| I mean, the fucking numbers, we were definitely not prepared for it. | ||
| We're like, whoa, what the fuck? | ||
| That transcends reality. | ||
| Yeah, I mean, listen, we know that that's not our show. | ||
| They're not all there for us, you know, because it's a mixed bag, right? | ||
| A bunch of different artists, and you're winning over people, if anything. | ||
| You're there playing for your base of people that might have come to see you, but you're winning everybody else over if you're doing it right. | ||
| And for us, it was like a victory because we saw, you know, half a million people up there jumping up and down to all our shit. | ||
| And they knew the words and they were singing with us. | ||
| And, you know, it was like a big notch under the belt and a boost for our confidence, knowing that we can get in front of anybody, play with anyone and get that reaction. | ||
| I mean, because after that, we were getting booked on metal-driven festivals and stuff where we're the only hip-hop on it, but it's all straight-up metal. | ||
| I mean, we were playing shows co-headlining under Metallica, right? | ||
| Metallica, Cypress Hill, Biohazard, Deftones, Fear Factory, and all that stuff. | ||
| You know what I mean? | ||
| And we'd be in that mix playing those festivals with those guys and with hip hop music. | ||
| And, you know, the boost that it gave us in the confidence. | ||
| It was like, fuck that. | ||
| We can play with any of these motherfuckers. | ||
| It doesn't matter who it is. | ||
| And we went to those metal festivals with our hip-hop and got metal reaction. | ||
| Mosh pits, stage dives, everything. | ||
| And it felt good to be able to hang up there with Metallica. | ||
| I mean, yeah, what they do to a crowd is crazy. | ||
| But we realized that if we were playing on the same venue, going before them, in a festival form, we can fucking hang with anyone. | ||
| And that pretty much... | ||
| Put us over the top with doing festivals like, yeah, we're gonna fucking rule this shit. | ||
| People are gonna have to up their game when we're on that festival with them. | ||
| That's the way we took it. | ||
| I would imagine you couldn't sleep for days after that show. | ||
| The adrenaline was crazy. | ||
| I gotta tell you, the adrenaline was crazy. | ||
| Like when you're in the helicopter leaving, were you like, what the fuck just happened? | ||
| Yeah, we were tripping out, man. | ||
| I mean, we were like totally in awe of the response that we got and the You know, the enormity of the fucking crowd, man. | ||
| I mean, it was fucking huge. | ||
| It has to be a part of something that that... | ||
| I mean, that's like something that no one there is ever going to forget. | ||
| We took it for granted. | ||
| I've got to tell you, when we fucking... | ||
| Well, they want you to do... | ||
| Okay, we'll do Woodstock, whatever. | ||
| And when we got there... | ||
| That's when we saw just how fucking crazy it was. | ||
| Oh, this is you? | ||
| So they steal your shoes? | ||
| Yeah, they're going to start coming. | ||
| Watch. | ||
| I have to hold my shirt forward so that I don't get choked out. | ||
| And there goes the first shoe. | ||
| They're about to take that first one. | ||
| That is so ridiculous. | ||
| What were you thinking when they were taking your shoe? | ||
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I was like, oh fuck, there goes one shoe, there goes my white sock. | |
| Yeah, there goes the other shoe. | ||
| That is so ridiculous. | ||
| And there is no fucking security that can stop 500,000 people. | ||
| Save all that shit. | ||
| You're at the mercy of the fans. | ||
| Somebody's going to grab from my sock pretty soon. | ||
| That is so wild. | ||
| They're just stealing socks. | ||
| Look at it. | ||
| It's still your pants. | ||
| Hey, listen. | ||
| You know, they tried. | ||
| Anybody grab your dick? | ||
| No, you know, they tried to grab the weed in my pocket. | ||
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Ah! | |
| Because sometimes, you know, when your adrenaline is kicking, you're not really thinking, you know, what's in my pocket and shit like that. | ||
| But yeah, you know, throughout, I had chicks trying to grab my shit, for sure. | ||
| Of course. | ||
| For sure. | ||
| That was a little, you know, crazy for me, you know, but it is what it is. | ||
| If you're going to stand close, you know, shit like this happens, right? | ||
| Yeah, man. | ||
| I mean, if you're going to stage dive, you got to assume some weird shit is going to happen. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| I mean, for me, you know, people were mostly respectful, you know, but they would go through my pockets to see if I had weed in one night. | ||
| Did they rabbit ear your pockets out? | ||
| Yeah, I did. | ||
| I had like an ounce of weed at one show, and I jumped in, and I totally forgot I had it in my pocket. | ||
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Boom. | |
| Fucking took my goddamn weed. | ||
| I'm like, I hope you enjoyed that. | ||
| I bet they did extra. | ||
| I know they did. | ||
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While they were rolling that joint, this is Pete Reel's weed, man. | |
| I know they did. | ||
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Straight from California. | |
| This is the real shit. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
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Yeah. | |
| California weed to this day still holds up. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| I mean, you got some good Colorado weed. | ||
| There's some good weed all over the country, but most weed is just, it's like okay. | ||
| It's okay other places. | ||
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Yeah. | |
| Colorado and California and then the rest is kind of, Seattle's got real good weed. | ||
| Seattle actually will blow your fucking mind. | ||
| They'll blow your mind. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| I gotta say. | ||
| Oregon, they'll blow your mind. | ||
| People have stepped up. | ||
| They're still behind California, you know, in terms of how much good weed there is here. | ||
| Like, I mean, there's so much, you know, from north to south and in central Cal. | ||
| There's so many different strains that are fucking good, right? | ||
| You go to other places and they have a few strains that are good, but that's because they're still, you know, they're still trying to catch up in terms of knowledge and cultivation and stuff like that. | ||
| And how to make the strains that they have, you know, maximize the flavor and the high and all that stuff. | ||
| Some have caught up. | ||
| And some are still lagging a little bit behind, but I gotta tell you, man, this last trip I just had to Vancouver. | ||
| I was just there for 420. And they had some shit that California boys would be like, yo, this is fire right here. | ||
| They had animal cookies that were really good. | ||
| Wedding cake, which is a strain that's popular here in Cali via the Jungle Boys and Burner and stuff like that when they were working together on exotics. | ||
| And they also had this joint called Black Diamond and Tri-Octane. | ||
| And all of them, man, I gotta say all of them burned sweet. | ||
| They tasted good. | ||
| That white ash that people are looking for now, you know, people think, you know, when they see white ash, it's the purest. | ||
| Newsflash. | ||
| Even if it has a little bit of black ash, it's still, you know, there's still, you know, people clean, flush their roots. | ||
| You know what I mean? | ||
| It's just that Some of the nutrients, if you're using salts as your nutrients, you know, which most people are these days, your ash comes out white. | ||
| If you're using nutrients that are already pre-made, like an advanced nutrients and the others, sometimes, you know, you might have a little bit of black ash because some of the components into those nutrients. | ||
| Doesn't mean it's not clean. | ||
| It just looks prettier when it's white. | ||
| But anyway, these guys, their shit, all white ash. | ||
| The taste was fucking beautiful and the high was definitely there and I gotta say the guys in Vancouver man, they've stepped it up Well, they've been running weed through Vancouver for a long time. | ||
| Did you ever see that? | ||
| What was Adam Scourge's documentary? | ||
| He had the culture high and then before that there was another one the documentary that was all about uncovering We're good to go. | ||
| I mean, it's responsible for so many people being wealthy up there. | ||
| And now it's 100% legal throughout the entire country. | ||
| But back then in 2007, I was in that documentary. | ||
| That was 12 years ago. | ||
| It was just tolerated. | ||
| It was weirdly tolerated. | ||
| Where it wasn't legal, but they didn't ever arrest anybody for it. | ||
| But there was a lot of gangsters, a lot of hell's angels were involved. | ||
| A lot of dudes were selling weed, and they had... | ||
| Yeah, you know, it's still sort of, I mean, you know, listen, the black market's always going to be anywhere, especially right now that the taxes are so high to buy cannabis and to grow it and all that stuff. | ||
| Everything that involves it, it's pretty expensive right now. | ||
| So, They're encouraging organized crime. | ||
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Right. | |
| in a certain way, yeah. | ||
| Which, my point was, you know, when the corporations come in, that shit comes down. | ||
| And then the black market has a bigger problem at that point. | ||
| Because then prices of cannabis will come down. | ||
| But, you know, it's always going to exist. | ||
| And, you know, we sort of went through the same thing when 215 came about here in California, where it was, you know, cops didn't know what the fuck to do when they caught you with it. | ||
| They didn't want to do anything. | ||
| Because they knew as well as we were, this shit is eventually going to be legal. | ||
| They don't want to be wasting their time in putting people in jail for cannabis because there's other people that need to be in jail for real, for real crimes. | ||
| But yeah, I think what's happening in Vancouver now is that Now that it's legal, yeah, people are still making money and they're still on top of the game, but it's harder to make the money right now. | ||
| Well, maybe not for Canada because it's federally legal, but you still got to jump through a number of hoops in terms of regulation and fines and fees and shit like that to operate there. | ||
| You know, and they're a little bit different than ours. | ||
| Obviously, we're not, ours isn't like federal yet. | ||
| But I mean, you know, from what they were saying is that like, you know, in a few years, all these companies will be making a whole lot of money right now. | ||
| They're making money, but it's basically about survival, getting past a certain time when all the legislation, all the rules and all the regulations are finally set in place and they're not going to change from year to year like they have been. | ||
| Well, Denver had it real weird for a while where they weren't allowed to use banks. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| Like us right now here in Cali, we can't use banks. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| What do they do with it? | ||
| Can they use credit cards here? | ||
| They used to be able to. | ||
| Yeah, you can use credit cards, but realistically, if you're making money from cannabis in terms of if you're a cultivator or whatever, if you're a business entity in the cannabis world, they won't take your money if they know it's coming from the cannabis culture, right? | ||
| Right. | ||
| But, you know, in the last two months, Forbes just put out a story about that the federal government is going to start allowing banks to allow banking in the cannabis sector. | ||
| It's not going anywhere. | ||
| They'd be crazy to not. | ||
| You're just leaving money on the table. | ||
| You're leaving a whole lot of money on the table. | ||
| California considers plan to encourage marijuana banking. | ||
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Yeah! | |
| Yeah! | ||
| Yeah, and that just came out yesterday. | ||
| You know, the Forbes story came out like maybe last week or something, but this is, you know, one of the residuals of it is that, you know, in places like California that we had problems with banking, that is no longer going to exist. | ||
| So now if you needed to expand your business or something, you can get a business loan now or you can actually put your money in the fucking bank, you know, whereas before you had to fucking buy some sort of vault or some shit and keep it there. | ||
| And, you know, obviously that ain't safe because you got pirates out there still to this day trying to figure out, okay, where do they keep their money? | ||
| Because it's not in the bank. | ||
| Well, when I was in Colorado, when it first became legal, and they were having a real hard time, they couldn't use credit cards, it was all cash, and they just had spec ops guys everywhere. | ||
| Bulletproof vests, just covered with guns, just ready to rock at any moment's notice, and they were worried that they were going to get, you know, someone was going to try to take over the store and take all the money. | ||
| Yeah, I mean, there's still issues that they got to worry about moving into the future in terms of transportation, right? | ||
| Because throughout the history of doing any sort of business in terms of products going from one side of the nation to the other, trucks get hijacked a lot for electronics, for any sort of goods. | ||
| So, you know, when you're transporting cannabis from state to state, they're going to have to have that, you know, figured out, too, because there's, you know, people that are going to be trying to jack those trucks and hitting that into the black market. | ||
| You know what else is weird? | ||
| There's people that they post up on people's private land and start these grow centers. | ||
| They put up a garden in people's land. | ||
| I have a friend who works on a ranch in Central California, and they were doing this run. | ||
| They were checking gates and checking fences where the cattle are, and they found a fucking acre of weed. | ||
| They're like, what the fuck is this? | ||
| And there were some dudes there. | ||
| They had campgrounds set up and shit. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| They were cartel dudes. | ||
| They just set up a spot. | ||
| Yeah, find a spot, set up. | ||
| They don't know who fucking owns it. | ||
| They get dropped off there, apparently. | ||
| I think... | ||
| If I remember the story, they got the guys, and the guys basically explained how it worked, that they get dropped off, and they leave them with seeds and this and that, and then new guys come in every couple weeks or a couple months, and they live there. | ||
| They just watch the weed until it grows to the point where they can cultivate it. | ||
| And then they move on after it's done. | ||
| But they do that all over the place. | ||
| Oh, yeah. | ||
| People find them in, like, state parks and forests and shit when they go hiking. | ||
| That's why it happens mostly up north and in central Cal. | ||
| Down here, we don't really... | ||
| I mean, the way they patrol the state parks is slightly different down here in the south. | ||
| They'll catch that shit, you know? | ||
| Yeah, I think that's why they did it at the ranch. | ||
| Because it was Tejon Ranch, which is like 270,000 acres. | ||
| It's a huge place. | ||
| I believe natives own that ranch, right? | ||
| Yeah, you can find, to this day, these stones where they ground up acorns, where they have a little pivot, like a hole, where they ground it up. | ||
| I took pictures of it and shit. | ||
| It's pretty cool. | ||
| Because you've got to think, that's probably a thousand years old. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| Somebody was probably grinding acorns in there a thousand years ago. | ||
| A thousand years ago. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| I've never been up north to Humboldt. | ||
| I've never been up to that area. | ||
| Oh man, it's unique. | ||
| There's a lot of nice flavors up there. | ||
| If you're into glass, a lot of good glass blowers out there. | ||
| That's a long-standing weed culture up there, right? | ||
| Oh yeah, I mean that shit is generational right there. | ||
| Yeah, it was like from the 70s you heard about Humboldt. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| And I'll tell you, man, you know, as quiet as they've been in this cannabis culture, you know, you would think that that'd be one place that's like celebrated and whatnot. | ||
| But, I mean, they still are coming up with, you know, incredible flavors down there, you know, in terms of, you know, breeding certain strains and creating new strains. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| And doing it outside, you know, like, as they call sun-grown or greenhouse, you know, which is not something we do here in the South. | ||
| In the South, we do hydro. | ||
| It's, you know, indoor. | ||
| Because we don't have the same type of... | ||
| Moisture and shit out there. | ||
| Well, we don't have the space neither. | ||
| You know, the forestage and the moisture. | ||
| And, you know, we have insects that would eat those outdoor crops if they're not in a greenhouse. | ||
| You know what I mean? | ||
| Like fruit worms and shit like that. | ||
| Up there, you know, up north after dark, you know, it gets cold. | ||
| So some of those insects can't live in that environment. | ||
| But in the south, it doesn't get as cold as it does up there. | ||
| So they can live here. | ||
| So, you know, if you're going to do a greenhouse here, it's got to be a greenhouse. | ||
| It can't just be outdoor exposed because they will get fucked with for sure. | ||
| Those photos that I've seen of that area, everything's so fucking green. | ||
| It's crazy. | ||
| It's like Seattle almost. | ||
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Yeah. | |
| Yeah, it's awesome, man. | ||
| We were just there not too long ago playing a show up in Yorica. | ||
| Look at this fucking guy. | ||
| Look at that guy in the middle of this forest of weed. | ||
| Yeah, on a hillside, no less. | ||
| You know, it's not even a flat ground. | ||
| He's just, he got it going. | ||
| Yeah, that looks like he's just in the woods. | ||
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Yeah. | |
| He just started growing it in the woods. | ||
| That's crazy. | ||
| Well, I bet it has a different feel to it, right? | ||
| Oh, yeah. | ||
| If it's out there with nature. | ||
| I mean, I don't want to get too hippy, too hippy-dippy, but I would think that something that lives in nature with all those other trees and shits, communicating with those trees. | ||
| Oh, yeah. | ||
| I would think so. | ||
| You probably get more of a natural feel for the weed. | ||
| Yeah, they're probably... | ||
| Look at that deer. | ||
| Damn, look at the weed plant. | ||
| It's like the fucking bushes. | ||
| Jesus Christ. | ||
| It's a California blacktail right there. | ||
| Columbia blacktail. | ||
| It's a big deer. | ||
| It is a big deer. | ||
| Probably eating the weed plants. | ||
| Probably. | ||
| It's probably healthy as fuck. | ||
| I mean, if he's eating the seeds and shit, you know? | ||
| Easy, yeah. | ||
| Probably fertilizing some of that shit out there. | ||
| For the longest time, we used to have to get, you know, I'm one of the owners of Onnit, and when we made hemp protein, we used to have to buy our shit from Canada. | ||
| It was so stupid. | ||
| I was like, this is so ridiculous. | ||
| You have to buy hemp from another country to bring into this country. | ||
| Stupid. | ||
| Well, that's going to change for sure. | ||
| Well, it's got to change. | ||
| I mean, for everything, for clothing, even building houses. | ||
| You ever see that hempcrete, that shit they make? | ||
| It's like hemp concrete. | ||
| Yeah, it's crazy. | ||
| It's lighter. | ||
| It's better. | ||
| It's got better insulation values. | ||
| It's harder to burn. | ||
| This is the type of shit that Jack Herrera was trying to tell people in Emperor Wears No Clothes. | ||
| Yeah, he really was. | ||
| All this stuff that we use today, hemp can be the alternative at a cheaper cost. | ||
| Including plastic. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| Biodegradable plastic. | ||
| All these people that are worried about plastic bottles and everything, how bad they are for the environment. | ||
| Hemp bottles. | ||
| You could make plastic out of hemp and it would be biodegradable. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| It sounds like horse shit. | ||
| There's so many things that you could do with weed that it sounds like you're making things up. | ||
| It sounds like you're making it up, but it's actual fact. | ||
| Yeah, and dude, over the last couple of months, I've been fucking around pretty heavily with CBD every day. | ||
| Oh, yeah. | ||
| I've been taking this. | ||
| It's a one-in-one. | ||
| It's 10 milligrams of CBD, 10 milligrams of THC. I take this. | ||
| That's the perfect fucking balance. | ||
| One in the afternoon? | ||
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Woo! | |
| All day long. | ||
| All full of don't give a fuck juice. | ||
| There you go. | ||
| We all need that. | ||
| Yeah, man, it's awesome. | ||
| It's an interesting time. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| You know, for someone who was, you know, you used to have to hide it before. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| And, you know, that's the beauty of it now is that you don't have to hide it. | ||
| And people that used to, you know, you got people now that you never thought were smokers. | ||
| And, you know, now they're coming out and just being totally free with it. | ||
| And that's great, man. | ||
| You know, is that a hemp laptop? | ||
| What the fuck is that? | ||
| It might just be a cover, but yeah. | ||
| That's pretty cool. | ||
| But how could it be a cover if it's, like, the USB ports and everything like that? | ||
| They have those, like, skin covers. | ||
| It could just be a lookalike, but it looks like it is. | ||
| They should make it. | ||
| It's a miracle plant of our time. | ||
| It is. | ||
| I gotta agree. | ||
| It is. | ||
| It is. | ||
| Well, listen, brother, you're a bad motherfucker. | ||
| I really appreciate you. | ||
| Thank you, brother. | ||
| Forever. | ||
| For a long time. | ||
| So it's cool to get in here. | ||
| And we're in a hotbox this week, too. | ||
| We're going to get in that smoke box. | ||
| People have been asking for you for a long time. | ||
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I'm in! | |
| I'm in! | ||
| And I say this in some of the smoke boxes, because it's the realest shit. | ||
| We just had Mike Tyson in there. | ||
| How weird is it to smoke weed with Mike Tyson? | ||
| I've smoked with him before, and I've smoked with him on a couple separate occasions aside from there, but one of the places that I smoked with him was at that fucking Leota Machida Rashad Evans fight. | ||
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Oh, wow. | |
| When we all left, you know, after the fight, we were sort of getting to our cars, and he ran into me and my partner Kenji, and we were smoking a fat one right there. | ||
| Be real! | ||
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Let me get ahead of that! | |
| I was like, alright, fuck yeah, champ, here you go. | ||
| And, you know, we always knew he smoked out. | ||
| What was crazy about this interview, real quick, that I'll say it. | ||
| Because you asked me this in this interview. | ||
| Like, what did you do for the anxieties before? | ||
| Like, you know, let's say we're going to go on stage or do the shit, right? | ||
| So I asked him that similar question. | ||
| I said, you know, as artists, as athletes, before we're going to go do our thing in front of... | ||
| A mass amount of people. | ||
| You get this nervous energy. | ||
| What did you do to, you know, deal with that? | ||
| And he said, I used to get hypnotized before fights. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| You know, and he was saying how he would, the guys that work with him would instill these certain words like calmness. | ||
| You know, that would be a reoccurring word that they would do in hypnotizing him before a fight. | ||
| So that he would always be calm in the fight and never fight desperate. | ||
| And always be in control of the situation no matter what happened. | ||
| And that's how he would, you know, get that nervous energy down and be able to fight with such focus. | ||
| But the other interesting thing he said was that he never fought. | ||
| I mean, he was smoking the whole time. | ||
| You know, he's a big weed head since he was like 10 years old apparently. | ||
| But he said that he was smoking, you know, but not necessarily when he was training. | ||
| They would give him pharmaceuticals when he was training, you know, shit that he wouldn't feel nothing, but he didn't have focus. | ||
| What kind of pharmaceuticals? | ||
| He said some of it was fentanyl, some Percocet, some... | ||
| Fentanyl wasn't even around back then. | ||
| Well, a form of it, you know, like whatever... | ||
| Yeah, it was an opiate that was whatever, the fentanyl of that time, whatever. | ||
| I can't remember what he called it, but there was two or three prescription drugs that they would give him, and he said he wouldn't feel nothing. | ||
| He felt good, like there's no pain, no nothing. | ||
| But the focus that he had was not there, right? | ||
| He said that he smoked weed in one fight. | ||
| Like, he smoked weed before one particular fight, and he used the whizinator to get through the urine test. | ||
| Somehow he fucking... | ||
| He says it in the interview. | ||
| And, you know, he said that the fight that he had where he was smoked out was with Andrew Gulotta. | ||
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Wow. | |
| And he said he'd never had so much focus... | ||
| In a fight that it made him realize he should have been smoking weed through every goddamn fight because he focused on everything he was supposed to. | ||
| He said he broke his cheek. | ||
| He broke his cheek here. | ||
| He broke his orbital. | ||
| Yeah, he broke his orbital. | ||
| He broke a rib and part of his back with a body shot. | ||
| Jesus Christ. | ||
| And he said, you know, that was the fight. | ||
| That was the one and only fight that he smoked out beforehand. | ||
| And Andrew Gulotta got... | ||
| He got flatlined. | ||
| Andrew Gulotta left the ring. | ||
| He was like, fuck this. | ||
| And Andrew Gulotta had been through wars. | ||
| Oh, yeah, man. | ||
| Those Riddick Bowe fights were crazy. | ||
| The Riddick Bowe fights. | ||
| I mean, because Riddick Bowe was really good, you know, but he didn't hit like Mike. | ||
| No, no, no, no. | ||
| I don't think no one hit like Mike. | ||
| If you look at like some of his early training. | ||
| Crazy looks. | ||
| He was so crazy back then. | ||
| If you look at some of Mike's early training and his footwork, it's almost like, you know, almost like martial arts based. | ||
| The way that he attacked and then he shifts on his attack and his footwork. | ||
| That was Customato. | ||
| Customato was a master. | ||
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A master. | |
| A master. | ||
| Yeah, it wasn't until he switched up and got rid of Kevin Rooney and, you know, where the destruction starts happening. | ||
| I think it was also his, you know, his life was just too crazy. | ||
| It was just too crazy. | ||
| No one can manage that from the time when he's 20. To, you know, by the time he retired, I mean, it was probably just a whirlwind of chaos. | ||
| And it's crazy, because he realizes that, like, looking back at it, and he says that he doesn't train anymore because it awakens a beast in him. | ||
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Yeah! | |
| I know, he said that. | ||
| It made me nervous. | ||
| Because he said that to you, too, right? | ||
| Right? | ||
| Yeah, yeah, yeah. | ||
| Yeah, because I was watching, you know, your interview with him, and one of our guys that was in the backseat asked him, hey, do you ever train? | ||
| Do you ever, you know, he's like, Nah, I don't do that no more. | ||
| Yeah, he goes, every now and then, I get on the treadmill, and I do some running on the treadmill, but that's it. | ||
| I would imagine that if he got back in training, he'd get in shape real quick. | ||
| Oh, sure. | ||
| But, you know, it would awaken a beast. | ||
| Yeah, they're all like, you can't quit, you can't quit. | ||
| He's like, fuck you. | ||
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Fuck you. | |
| In between rounds, he just got up and left. | ||
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He's like, I'm out. | |
| He's like, push that guy away. | ||
| He's like, you're not feeling these punches. | ||
| He knew something was wrong. | ||
| Well, he knew his rib was broke. | ||
| Well, his eyeball was broke, too. | ||
| Look, they're trying to put the mouthpiece... | ||
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Hey, put it in! | |
| It's Lou Duva. | ||
| Yeah, it's Lou Duva. | ||
| No, it's not Lou Duva. | ||
| No, it's not. | ||
| Who is that guy? | ||
| He looked like Lou Duva for a second. | ||
| Yeah, I mean, you could tell his fucking face is busted right there. | ||
| It did look fairly normal, but I'm sure it felt like shit. | ||
| You know, like, it doesn't swell up real bad until later. | ||
| Listen, if Andrew Gulotta, who's been in wars with Riddick Bowe and other fighters, he was no slouch. | ||
| If he's telling you, I've had enough of this shit, let him go. | ||
| It's over. | ||
| Because he knows. | ||
| Once they found out that his back was broken and his face was broken, they're probably like, oh, okay, sorry. | ||
| Yeah, I mean, think about that. | ||
| His corner guy was like trying to put his mouthpiece back in. | ||
| It's so stupid. | ||
| Once a guy doesn't want to fight, you can't make him fight more. | ||
| I mean, it's like he's already flipped that switch inside of his head. | ||
| You know what? | ||
| I told Mike that he didn't realize, this is the last thing because I know we both got to go, but I said, do you know that... | ||
| All the dudes you fought to get to that title, including the dudes that you took titles from, they all stopped fighting after you beat them. | ||
| None of them wanted to come back and get nothing. | ||
| They wanted no part of that heavyweight title after that. | ||
| He retired so many boxers. | ||
| Oh yeah, right? | ||
| He doesn't even realize that. | ||
| Bruce Seldon, Tony Tubbs, go down the line. | ||
| All of them. | ||
| He didn't retire Larry Holmes. | ||
| Larry Holmes wait until he went to jail and he's like, I'm gonna come back. | ||
| Yeah, that's the only guy. | ||
| Boat Crusher Smith. | ||
| Tyrell Biggs. | ||
| Tyrell Biggs. | ||
| He definitely retired Tyrell Biggs. | ||
| They were rivals at one point in time. | ||
| Yeah, he fucked Tyrell Biggs up pretty good. | ||
| Leon Spinks. | ||
| Michael. | ||
| Yeah, Michael. | ||
| He said, you know what? | ||
| I had this title too long. | ||
| That's a wrap. | ||
| Enough. | ||
| Check, please. | ||
| And he told me just like... | ||
| I think, you know what? | ||
| I didn't even realize that. | ||
| Yeah, man. | ||
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You know what? | |
| He really did. | ||
| He retired a lot of people. | ||
| We all saw it. | ||
| He was a force in nature. | ||
| Yeah, and I told him, the other thing I told him real quick, too, was, you know, like, that explanation that he had on his documentary where he, as he's coming to the ring, he knew he had to fight one. | ||
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Yeah. | |
| He could see it in their eyes, and then once he steps into the ring, he's a god. | ||
| They're done, right? | ||
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Yeah. | |
| And I told him, you know, I was at that Bruce Seldon fight, and I saw exactly what you explained in Bruce Seldon, because Bruce Seldon was knocking fools out left and right. | ||
| He was like a really good heavyweight. | ||
| The minute he got in there with Mike, he fanboyed out, tasted that glove... | ||
| Didn't want no more. | ||
| Yeah, it was an experience. | ||
| It wasn't just that you were fighting a guy who knew how to fight, but you were fighting Mike Tyson. | ||
| Your idol. | ||
| He was this thing, this cultural phenomenon. | ||
| He was thought to be, at that time, everybody was thinking he's the greatest heavyweight of all time. | ||
| He's a destroyer. | ||
| No one had an answer for him. | ||
| No. | ||
| You know, Selden, he pretty much, you know, he was a fan. | ||
| That was his idol. | ||
| And he totally got rocked. | ||
| He was so huge at the time that when Buster Douglas beat him, even though I knew he beat him, I watched the fight afterwards. | ||
| I couldn't believe it. | ||
| I'm like, he's going to get up. | ||
| It was Bruce Seldon. | ||
| Look how Jack Bruce Seldon was. | ||
| Yeah, he's a big boy, man. | ||
| Good fucking tank. | ||
| Yeah, and he was knocking people out. | ||
| I mean, look, 29 knockouts. | ||
| And he was fighting good guys. | ||
| Oh, yeah. | ||
| He was the WBA heavyweight champion at the time. | ||
| Yeah, I mean, I followed his career, too. | ||
| You know what I mean? | ||
| And yeah, he totally fanboyed out on Mike, man. | ||
| Mike. | ||
| Well, look at the stare down. | ||
| You see him in the stare down, you're looking at that. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| It's like, oh no, you made a tremendous mistake from getting here tonight. | ||
| Tremendous mistake, bro. | ||
| Look how much bigger Selden is, too. | ||
| He's a big boy, bro. | ||
| He wasn't taking none of that shit. | ||
| Tyson's footwork and his ability to close the distance and bobbing and weaving. | ||
| I mean, it was like there was nobody before him like that. | ||
| No, man. | ||
| There'll never be another guy like that. | ||
| He has a heavyweight. | ||
| He was just so fast, too. | ||
| Because realistically, the guys who trained him, they had a certain technique and nobody uses it. | ||
| Well, it was not just that. | ||
| It was what Mike talked about in the podcast about being hypnotized. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| I mean, from the time he was a little boy. | ||
| And, you know, the fact that he had nothing before that. | ||
| Everything was, his life was shit. | ||
| It was all pain and suffering and poverty. | ||
| And then all of a sudden, some guy comes along and rescues him and takes him, teaches him out of box. | ||
| And then all of a sudden, he gets recognition and positive feedback. | ||
| And he felt like he was something special. | ||
| Boom. | ||
| He fucking hit that canvas hard. | ||
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Yeah. | |
| He didn't want it. | ||
| We kind of forget sometimes what it was like watching those fights until you go back and watch them now. | ||
| I mean, there's amazing fighters right now, like Terrence Crawford who just won Saturday night. | ||
| Amazing, amazing boxers. | ||
| But what Mike was, he was something completely different. | ||
| He was something that transcended sports. | ||
| Everybody wanted to see him fight. | ||
| You know, if you believe in conspiracy theories, right? | ||
| He didn't even hit him right there. | ||
| He just fell on purpose. | ||
| If you believe in conspiracy theories, you think about it like this. | ||
| Mike was knocking guys out in the first round and people were paying a whole lot of money for tickets and pay-per-view. | ||
| When you look at it, it looks like they were trying to slow his role and put in a guy like Evander Holyfield who was a brawler. | ||
| He could box, but he could brawl in and take the fight 11 rounds and, you know, make it a fucking great pay-per-view where Mike would totally ruin the pay-per-view and knock your ass out in a minute. | ||
| And when you look at it, the way boxing was for such a long time, I wouldn't put it past it that, you know, a lot of the shit that happened to him was manipulated so that it would slow his role. | ||
| What kind of shit? | ||
| Like, what do you mean? | ||
| Well, you know, the people that he had around him. | ||
| I mean, you know, Dodd King around him. | ||
| He took all his people that he trusted away from him, put different trainers in his corner, different people that were influencing him, and it just took him backwards, man. | ||
| And all the people that actually helped got him there. | ||
| We're fucking gone. | ||
| And those were the guys that was actually giving him guidance as to, you know, how to conduct yourself, be a man, and all that stuff. | ||
| And he got around the vultures, man. | ||
| And to me, I think Don King being Don King, he stood a chance to make more money with someone taking out the fight, you know, 11 to 12 rounds as opposed to one. | ||
| Well, he just, he gave Mike the worst deals ever, too. | ||
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Yeah. | |
| I mean, the whole thing was terrible. | ||
| He stole money from them. | ||
| To this day, Mike hates them. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| And it's all terrible. | ||
| Anyway. | ||
| Thank you, my man. | ||
| Thank you, brother. | ||
| I'll see you in a couple days. | ||
| Yeah, for sure. | ||
| Right on. | ||
| I'm looking forward to it. | ||
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Right on. | |
| Bye, everybody. |
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