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April 15, 2019 - The Joe Rogan Experience
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Joe Rogan Experience #1281 - Tom Papa
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tom papa
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jamie vernon
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joe rogan
Four, three, two, one.
And we're live.
Tom Papa.
tom papa
Joe Rogan.
joe rogan
Good to see you, buddy.
tom papa
Good to see you.
joe rogan
Crack and lacking.
tom papa
I know, not too much.
Cruising around.
joe rogan
We were talking about old bodies falling apart.
unidentified
Yeah.
joe rogan
I got a stem cell shot in my shoulder that's killing me right now.
tom papa
Yeah, I can tell.
You're in pain.
unidentified
Woo!
joe rogan
Yeah.
tom papa
One shot?
joe rogan
Well, I got several in both shoulders.
And this is not like anything that's a serious injury, but they've been annoying me lately, so I said, fuck it, let me just go in there.
Every time I've done it, it's made me feel better.
tom papa
Right.
How often do you have to go?
joe rogan
I've been doing it like once every six months.
tom papa
Right.
joe rogan
Yeah, that's what I have been doing.
tom papa
And then it kind of is okay for a while.
joe rogan
Yeah.
tom papa
Right.
joe rogan
And once every six months seems to keep me in, but it's expensive.
tom papa
So is it not curing whatever it has to be?
joe rogan
It's healing it, but then I'm being a moron and going back to working out hard.
tom papa
Right.
joe rogan
What we were just saying is that soft tissue heals.
This is a soft tissue issue.
Soft tissue is one of the best things for things like stem cell therapy because you can actually regenerate tissue and it can heal things.
Where it gets a real problem, my friend Miriam Nakamoto, she brought over those snacks, those bags of snacks that were there.
She's a little snack company.
She's a multiple-time world Muay Thai champion.
Muay toy?
Muay Thai.
tom papa
Muay Thai.
joe rogan
Thai boxing?
tom papa
Uh-huh.
joe rogan
You don't even know what that is?
tom papa
Muay Thai, no.
joe rogan
Never heard of that?
tom papa
Nope.
joe rogan
You're so...
What are you?
tom papa
White.
unidentified
Yeah, you're white.
joe rogan
But you're also like a non-jock.
tom papa
Well, I was a jock my whole life.
joe rogan
What would you do?
tom papa
I played football.
joe rogan
Oh, that's right.
tom papa
I played football forever and track and a bunch of stuff.
But then I stopped.
joe rogan
Did you fuck your body up at all?
tom papa
No, not too bad.
My shoulder's a little bit.
My shoulder's a little, but that's pretty much it.
My knees, you know, like I run a lot now.
I've been running a lot for the last couple months.
joe rogan
What brought that on?
tom papa
I just want to be in better shape.
I want to feel better.
I dropped, like, 15 pounds.
Yeah, burning off some of the bread.
Exactly.
I was like, maybe, maybe.
joe rogan
Yeah, your face looks thinner, man.
tom papa
Yeah.
joe rogan
It looks good.
tom papa
Congratulations.
joe rogan
That's awesome.
tom papa
Thanks, man.
joe rogan
That's a cool thing.
Once you get going, right?
unidentified
Yeah.
joe rogan
You get that momentum.
That's what's up.
tom papa
Well, you know what really was up was I was kind of cruising along and just, like, we lost five pounds and just kind of, like, hanging around.
And then I realized...
I'm working out, like, this workout that I'm doing would have been a warm-up when I was an athlete.
Like, this wouldn't even have been a warm-up.
And I'm like, oh, that was pretty good.
And I was like, I have to stop being a sissy and try and really push a little more.
joe rogan
Why don't you get a trainer?
tom papa
Eh, I don't like intimacy.
unidentified
Ooh.
joe rogan
That's real.
Well, you know what else you can do?
There's actually apps where you can follow an app, and the app will put you through a workout.
tom papa
Oh, yeah?
joe rogan
Yeah.
There's several of them now.
They're really good.
tom papa
Oh, cool.
joe rogan
There's a bunch of really good ones.
I don't have any affiliation with any of them, so I'm not naming any of them, but you can even get a yoga one.
You can get a 90-minute yoga one where you just do yoga, and it talks you through the poses.
tom papa
That's great.
joe rogan
Yeah.
tom papa
I used to do yoga all the time, but I feel like I have to shift into lifting weights again.
joe rogan
Yeah?
tom papa
Yeah, because I've just been dropping.
No, but I just feel like, you know, I don't want to be the guy at the pool with no arms.
You know what I mean?
joe rogan
How many people have motivated themselves by going to the beach or the pool with very little clothes on?
I thought about, fuck, summertime.
Fuck, people are going to know.
tom papa
Yeah, right, exactly.
I reveal my secret.
joe rogan
People are going to know what disgusts me about me.
tom papa
Yeah.
joe rogan
This is my gluttony.
Look at it.
This is my laziness.
Look!
tom papa
This is what I did all winter.
joe rogan
This is my poor food choices right here.
Look!
tom papa
I'm fine with it.
joe rogan
This is drinking.
This is all the upper part.
tom papa
Yeah, this is the part right on the sides.
But then when I started getting after and being like, don't be such a sissy.
Work out.
Try and push it.
Then I wanted to do it more.
Then I got into it.
Then I'm like, alright, let's go.
Now I'm going further.
I'm going quicker.
But this has all been cardio.
It's all cardio.
joe rogan
What about just bodyweight stuff?
It's not a bad idea to start off with bodyweight.
Just push-ups.
Yeah, because you haven't really done much like that.
tom papa
In a while.
joe rogan
Yeah, it's chin-ups, push-ups, and bodyweight squats really don't need much else.
tom papa
Really?
joe rogan
Not really.
tom papa
I've been doing more push-ups, but that's it.
joe rogan
Dude, you can get a ferocious workout in with change grip push-ups, chin-ups, bodyweight squats.
Just those things.
tom papa
Does that mean I have to get one of those chin-up bars that goes in the doorway that...
joe rogan
Yeah, get a real one though, because those things fall and people die.
Those ones that hang, folks, listen to me.
Those ones that hang on the door jamb?
I used to work construction.
Those fucking things are not designed for you hanging on them.
They have little tiny nails!
unidentified
And guess what?
joe rogan
People like me probably installed them, and sometimes you don't hit a stud.
So that little tiny nail is going right into the fucking drywall, and you're hanging that thing over there, and it's pulling on that sucker.
tom papa
No, then I'll mess my shoulder up.
joe rogan
Get those fuckers that drill into the side of the door.
You know what I'm saying?
The ones that go right in the side.
They screw it in this way.
tom papa
Oh, into the jam.
joe rogan
And it's like four screws on each side.
That'll hold your weight.
That'll hold your weight.
tom papa
I'll get that.
joe rogan
That one'll work.
Because you're pulling down on the wood.
So the way those things are, it's like sitting on the wood.
You know those ones that hook over the top of the door?
That shit is a recipe for a broken neck.
tom papa
I feel like that thing was in like every 80s movie.
joe rogan
Yeah, I mean, I'm sure they have good ones that do that.
I'm sure they do.
tom papa
Yeah, sure.
joe rogan
But you should really check out your fucking moldings first.
Give those moldings a pull.
tom papa
Why don't I just lay on the ground and do some push-ups?
joe rogan
Yeah, but a real chin-up bar, man, a real chin-up bar is, I mean, if you just got one in a park, Just go to the fucking park.
You're outside.
A lot of parks have those chin-up bars, those little setups where you can do calisthenics.
tom papa
Yeah, yeah.
unidentified
Nobody ever uses those.
tom papa
Chin-ups are no joke.
joe rogan
Nobody ever uses those, but those are great for working out, man.
tom papa
I know.
They seem too simple.
They seem like, oh, ladies must go over there.
joe rogan
Bro, I go to Nautilus.
I don't need this.
tom papa
Right, exactly.
joe rogan
I do my leg extensions on Nautilus.
tom papa
I got my membership I use once a month.
joe rogan
Bodyweight squats seem easy when you do three.
tom papa
Yeah.
joe rogan
But when you do a hundred, they become very fucking hard.
tom papa
Right.
joe rogan
When you get to like 70, you're like, holy shit.
You feel that burn, baby.
And you start counting down in tens.
tom papa
I remember doing push-ups when we played football and you would do, you know, 200. It'd be like 200. You'd break them up.
joe rogan
In a row?
tom papa
No, break them up.
joe rogan
How many do we do in a row?
tom papa
We do like 30 and then split them up.
And that was a big time workout.
And now I'm doing like 25. I'm like, alright, I'm good for a couple days.
joe rogan
It's hard, man.
tom papa
It is hard.
joe rogan
Getting anywhere more than 30 push-ups is like, woo, shit starts getting crazy.
unidentified
Yeah.
joe rogan
It's a lot of pushing.
Your body has to be conditioned for that.
And if it's not, it lets you know.
You're like, 33!
Your arms start shaking.
You get cocky around 19, though.
You get to like 18, 19, like, bro, I'm feeling fucking smooth.
tom papa
It's so funny how whatever number you have in your head is where you start to...
If you say I'm doing 20, you start shaking at 18. If you say I'm doing 25, you don't start shaking until 23. It's a real mental thing.
joe rogan
You know what's really fucking cool that I got?
Rogue makes this thing that it's like a bamboo pole.
And on the end of the pole, you put rubber straps.
You know those bands?
And then from those bands, you hang kettlebells.
tom papa
Off of the bamboo stick?
joe rogan
Yes.
So as you're doing this bench, I can't lift my right arm up.
It's in pain right now, otherwise I'll show you.
As you're doing this thing, everything's all wobbly.
Everything's super, super wobbly.
Because first of all, the kettlebell is hanging from rubber, and the stick, this bamboo thing, is super wobbly.
And as you lift weights with that, it's really good for your stabilizing muscles.
jamie vernon
It's called an earthquake bar.
tom papa
That's what it's called.
joe rogan
Oh, cool.
jamie vernon
Or there's a version of it.
tom papa
What's a stabilizing muscle?
joe rogan
Watch the video online or someone will take us offline.
Yeah, the earthquake bar.
Yeah, that's exactly the one I have.
We have that out there.
I'll show it to you afterwards.
It's really cool.
Because even lightweight, like if you had to do 70 pounds with that, like 35 on each side, it's awkward as fuck.
tom papa
But that doesn't look like something you want to use in your house or you're going to ruin your floors.
joe rogan
Put rubber on the floor.
tom papa
Rubber on the floors.
joe rogan
Yeah, put rubber all over your house so nothing gets ruined.
Did you have grandparents that put plastic over the furniture?
tom papa
Oh, yeah.
My nana.
My nana in Clifton, New Jersey.
joe rogan
Yeah, mine was in Newark.
Yeah, they put fucking plastic over the furniture.
tom papa
It was a big deal.
You spent a lot of money on that couch.
It's going to have to last our whole life.
joe rogan
I was always confused when I was a little kid.
I'd sit on that couch.
I'd be like, this is terrible.
tom papa
Especially in the summer with your shorts.
And the back of your legs would just be sweating at Nana's house.
joe rogan
And they eventually got kind of like yellowed by the sun and by use.
tom papa
Crackly.
joe rogan
So it was weird.
unidentified
Yeah.
joe rogan
It was like, ugh.
You would like put like a jacket down and then you would sit on your jacket.
tom papa
That whole generation never had comfort.
Like, their beds were hard, the pillows were shit.
joe rogan
Live through the fucking depression, man.
tom papa
Yeah, that's real.
joe rogan
That shit, people starved to death.
tom papa
No.
joe rogan
This was a barbaric time where people were brought down to, you know, base humanity to survival.
tom papa
It was rough.
And then you have like 15 good years and then go into World War II. And they dealt with that.
So yeah, they were like, we don't need comfort.
We're not laying around in our sweatpants on beanbag chairs.
joe rogan
Well, they knew the importance of being vigilant, right?
Do you follow David Goggins online?
tom papa
No.
joe rogan
Do you know who he is?
tom papa
No.
joe rogan
David Goggins is this Navy SEAL who now is more or less a motivational and fitness influencer.
tom papa
Oh, the guy who runs with broken knees?
joe rogan
Oh, he's a fucking savage.
tom papa
Yeah, I've seen some of his clips.
joe rogan
How many 100 mile runs did he run in a row?
Some fucking preposterous number.
jamie vernon
Yeah, I don't remember.
I don't want to say because I can't remember at all.
I want to say six or seven, but then it's like 12 or 13. Of 100 miles?
unidentified
I don't remember.
jamie vernon
I don't remember at all.
joe rogan
But his whole thing is stay hard.
Like, he'll send me a text out of nowhere.
Like, just say, stay hard, motherfucker!
There's a lot of weak-ass bitches out there.
Because, first of all, if you're a Navy SEAL, this is the pinnacle of hand-to-hand combat and armed forces.
Those motherfuckers are all special humans.
And then on top of those motherfuckers being all special humans, there's guys that can just put a little of that message out.
Like, hey, you are soft as fuck compared to how people used to be.
You're all soft as fuck.
Compared to those World War II people.
You've got to stay vigilant.
Back then, everybody had to stay vigilant.
tom papa
Yeah.
You had to deal with just day-to-day life.
You had to deal with what was coming from Hitler.
joe rogan
You had to tune in at a certain time to find out what was happening.
Everybody had to gather around the TV for the news.
tom papa
That was all the news you got.
joe rogan
That's all the news you got.
You only got an hour's worth.
tom papa
That was it.
joe rogan
They didn't know what the fuck was going on.
tom papa
Nothing.
Nothing.
And they were better off for it.
joe rogan
Were they really?
tom papa
What's that?
joe rogan
I'm so tired of that.
tom papa
What?
That they were better off for it?
I don't need to know.
joe rogan
They were so not better off for it.
tom papa
Why?
joe rogan
Way better off recognizing that you're luckier than those people, having some fucking discipline, watching a David Goggins Instagram clip, and get your fucking shit together, Tom Papa.
tom papa
No, I agree with everything you just said, but I'm saying they were better off not being fed a news diet 24 hours a day.
Mentally.
joe rogan
Mentally, probably.
tom papa
We're the first human beings that have had to deal with this onslaught.
joe rogan
It's a double-edged sword, because if you don't get fed that, you don't find out about Julian Assange getting kicked out of the embassy.
In London, you don't find out about a million different stories that are in the news.
tom papa
It's a fun story, it's a cool story, but do I need to know it?
joe rogan
It's a fun story!
That's a quote for you from now on.
Hey, what about Julian Assange?
Tom Papa, hands up.
In quotes.
It's a fun story, it's a cool story, but I don't need to know it.
Holy shit.
tom papa
Really?
joe rogan
You just redefined white privilege.
unidentified
You hit it.
joe rogan
You hit it on the head and lit it on fire.
tom papa
No, but seriously, what can I do about a lot of these?
You know, look, I think it's good that information's flowing and that moves everybody forward, but, you know, for me sitting in there trying to tell some jokes and feed my kids, it's like, do I need to know everything, every trouble spot going around the world?
joe rogan
Well, it's like, that is a very good question.
It's like, how much responsibility do you have to be tuned in to all the events of the world and to act?
Like, how much responsibility do you have outside of voting?
And do you have the responsibility to vote?
Because there's some people that are very interesting people that don't vote.
tom papa
Yeah.
joe rogan
You know?
tom papa
I don't agree with that.
joe rogan
Yeah, it's a...
tom papa
I want to participate.
joe rogan
I understand that, but I don't think Michael Malice votes, doesn't he?
Didn't he say he doesn't vote?
I think he said he doesn't...
I forget his reasoning, but it was very logical.
tom papa
No, I understand the argument.
And even if it seems kind of false, I think it kind of like mentally engages you in the world.
It's like you should be trying to participate.
joe rogan
I think his perspective is that as a commentator on the world, that'd be better off if he didn't actually vote.
And just look at it how he really sees it.
On both sides.
tom papa
Right.
To stay impartial.
joe rogan
Yeah.
I'm sure I'm butchering the way he would phrase it.
Right.
But I think it's in the spirit of that.
tom papa
Yeah.
joe rogan
If you vote, you don't have a right to complain.
tom papa
All right.
joe rogan
Okay, that doesn't even make sense.
That doesn't make any sense at all.
tom papa
That was deep.
joe rogan
Well, you know.
tom papa
But I think...
But look, it's a lot...
Look, I think it's...
Trying to be a good person on just a person level and trying to take care of your family and work hard and be good with people and help your community.
That's kind of the extent of what you can do and hopefully that spreads out.
But, you know, Julian Assange, okay.
Well, really, I mean, why is that, you know, like all those people that we're talking about at that generation that only got news during that six o'clock hour, you know, were they less citizens of the world because they only got that little dose?
I don't know.
joe rogan
They were less informed and the idea is that more people can get away with things they shouldn't be able to get away with.
Like what's happening right now with Julian Assange.
Julian Assange, in anybody's estimation, if you look at what he did, he distributed information that was extremely interesting to most people in the world.
That didn't know about it.
tom papa
Right.
joe rogan
Exposed a lot of scary shit.
tom papa
Yeah.
joe rogan
Exposed a lot of corruption.
Exposed a lot of, I mean, what corruption did it expose?
I know it exposed, there was that collateral murder video.
That was one of the first ones where they showed them shooting.
They shot at these guys who they thought were soldiers, and they were reporters.
tom papa
Uh-huh.
joe rogan
And it was sort of just the way they dealt with it.
It was very scary for people watching that someone could just like dehumanize accidentally killing the wrong people.
tom papa
Right.
joe rogan
And make it like...
tom papa
That was the military?
joe rogan
They were making it like, you know, hey, but you kind of have to be in that mindset to be able to gun people down from the sky in the first place.
tom papa
The whole...
joe rogan
Look, you've got to put yourself in the perspective of someone who has to do that job.
And you take a regular person, and then you train them to do that job, and then you ask them to go and pull the trigger on people.
They're going to develop a coldness to them.
They have to, right?
But to see it.
So what Julian Assange did is he showed it to us.
And then he released all sorts of...
I mean, I'm embarrassed to say that I haven't really studied all the files and what was released and what wasn't.
Apparently, when Ben Shapiro was here, he said that people's names got put out.
Apparently, that was someone hacked into WikiLeaks and released that information before they could redact the names.
This is what I've been told by multiple sources.
But again, I didn't look into it.
I don't know if that was correct.
tom papa
They're going to say that he was treasonous or that he was...
joe rogan
I don't know what they're going to say.
I think the first thing was a sex charge.
That's what they were trying to say, that he had sex with a woman.
He wore a condom, and then they had sex, and then they had sex in the morning with no condom.
And she didn't consent to that, that he just kind of did it or something.
I think they called it surprise sex.
And if I'm butchering this, I'm sorry.
But that didn't make sense, that they would be going after him that way.
It was obviously not about that.
tom papa
Yeah, if you want to get somebody, you go after them for whatever.
joe rogan
But I think they're seeing hacking charges now, right?
tom papa
I don't know.
I know he went crazy in the embassy, right?
He wouldn't clean up after his cat, and he was riding a scooter around.
joe rogan
Is that true?
tom papa
I don't know.
Who knows what's true?
joe rogan
I know that's part of the problem.
tom papa
But that was part of the little story that I caught.
joe rogan
Yeah, Duncan was poetically describing what the embassy must have smelled like with Julian Assange's dirty cat shit wafting through the halls.
This crazy asshole you have staying here.
tom papa
Who won't leave.
joe rogan
Pamela Anderson comes over every now and then.
They get their freak on.
The surveillance footage of Julian Assange skateboarding in the Ecuadorian Embassy in London has been leaked.
jamie vernon
Kinda.
joe rogan
Kinda skateboarding.
Yeah, but here's the thing, man.
Like, what do you want the guy to do?
Is there a problem?
He's there for seven fucking years.
tom papa
No, he must have gone crazy.
I mean, that's like being, you know, under house arrest.
joe rogan
Dude, I mean, it's amazing that he lasted that long.
What they did, they waited him out, and then they were never gonna wait him out.
He was gonna stay in there forever.
tom papa
And then they just got sick of him.
joe rogan
They just got sick of him.
I think it was also the Ecuadorian president.
I think he took a photograph in front of some lobsters and shit.
And it was from a leaked email.
And that photo got out.
And it was very embarrassing to him because his country's in a deep financial crisis.
tom papa
Oh.
joe rogan
And he's chilling in some four seasons somewhere.
tom papa
Eating lobster and steak.
joe rogan
Eating lobster.
Yeah.
tom papa
Well, I don't know.
I mean, look.
joe rogan
Isn't it funny that when you see pictures of Trump, he's eating Kentucky Fried Chicken?
unidentified
And when you see pictures of this dude, he's eating lobster.
That's hilarious.
joe rogan
Trump brings Kentucky Fried Chicken in his fucking private jet.
unidentified
It's hilarious.
tom papa
He really loves that stuff.
unidentified
He loves it.
tom papa
He really does.
joe rogan
He fucking loves fast food.
Like, when he got all those athletes when they came to visit him and the government was shut down, and he brought them off fast food, he didn't understand.
They were like, what the fuck?
What the fuck is this shit?
tom papa
And then he had another team showed up months later and he broke out the fast food again.
The government was open.
joe rogan
Just imagine.
You're going to see the President of the United States.
And you're a professional athlete, right?
Your body literally is a temple.
jamie vernon
They were college athletes.
joe rogan
Oh, they were college athletes.
jamie vernon
Yeah, but still dialed in.
joe rogan
Listen, let's be real about that, huh?
College athletes should get fucking paid.
That shit is crazy.
That's the biggest robbery in all of athletics is college sports.
Yeah, they get a chance to get into the NBA and the NFL. Yeah, they get a chance.
They do.
But you're making billions off these kids.
Fucking billions.
tom papa
Don't give them a sweatshirt.
That's $20.
joe rogan
Look at all that fucking fast food truck.
I'm telling you, man, this guy, in terms of material, current, and future, it's almost like we gluttoned out.
It's almost like Trump was ice cream.
When he was in office, he was so good for comedy that there were so many Trump jokes that now everyone's like, no more!
tom papa
I can't do it!
joe rogan
I can't fit anymore!
tom papa
I need fries!
joe rogan
I need something else!
I can't have ice cream!
tom papa
Not one more bite!
joe rogan
Yeah, ice cream's gonna come chucking out of your throat.
tom papa
It's really true.
joe rogan
He's so fucking eccentric.
Like, good or bad.
Just look at him as a human.
It's such a rare human being.
tom papa
Yeah.
joe rogan
You know?
I mean, you see it with the hair and the fucking constant golfing, even though he's shit on fucking Obama golfing, and he's golfed way more than him!
He doesn't even try to pretend he's not a hypocrite.
tom papa
No, not at all.
He's just everything.
He's just the fat American on a jet ski just letting it rip.
joe rogan
Dude, it's hilarious.
What's also hilarious is I think this is a real thing.
Trump derangement syndrome.
I think it's real.
tom papa
You mean people that are obsessed with him?
joe rogan
They're obsessed with this is the thing that's going to get him.
He'll be out of office in three weeks.
Instead of looking at it This is the argument for a guy like Michael Malice.
He's an objective analyst, stepping back looking at this.
He doesn't have a vested interest in this guy winning or that guy winning.
He's just going, hmm, what is this?
He's sitting back and watching.
If I'm going to take that position.
tom papa
Not emotionally involved.
joe rogan
Some people get so emotionally involved, they can't sleep, they start crying, they think it's the end of the world.
The world is exactly the same.
We just have a different figurehead.
And I think it'll present challenges that'll make us more understanding of each other.
I really do.
That's what I really think.
I think there's good and bad about every situation.
But the pro I see is communication.
If we're just honest with the way we communicate, I think people on the right and people on the left, they share a lot in common.
There's a lot that they share rather than what they don't share in common.
tom papa
The only thing they don't share is what they're watching.
joe rogan
Well, there's that too.
But it's also the vibe you get.
tom papa
Yeah.
joe rogan
Like, there's the vibe from these, whatever, whether it's CNN, whatever show you're into, MSNBC, Fox News, they all give out a vibe.
tom papa
Yeah.
joe rogan
And that vibe is, you know, we are right, here's what's going on, here's why that's a problem.
tom papa
Right.
joe rogan
You know, and everyone has a different problem, and everyone thinks they're right.
tom papa
Right.
joe rogan
And then you have, so you have different things, some of them have, like, eagles and flags and da-da-da-da-da.
tom papa
That's Fox News.
Yeah.
unidentified
Right?
joe rogan
Like, that's my style.
I'm into that kind of truth.
Give me that shit.
Yeah, fucking, yeah, yeah.
Come over here the right way.
tom papa
Yeah, right.
joe rogan
These guys.
unidentified
Yeah, yeah.
joe rogan
Let them move into your fucking neighborhood.
unidentified
Let them move into your fucking neighborhood, Rachel Maddow.
tom papa
Trucks and hats and guns and go.
joe rogan
So that becomes your team.
That becomes your clan.
tom papa
Well, that's what it is.
It's the team thing.
unidentified
Yeah.
joe rogan
Most of it.
tom papa
And the unfortunate part is both are saying, are spending so much time, rather than thinking about this is the problem that we have to deal with, they're spending all their time thinking those other people are assholes.
Right, exactly.
It's the venomous attacks against fellow Americans because they have a slightly different view about healthcare.
That part is the derangement of the culture right now.
They're not enemies.
They're Americans.
joe rogan
We're all on Team America.
unidentified
Exactly.
joe rogan
If we're going to agree to this fucking thing, look at that, bro.
tom papa
Exactly.
We're all together.
joe rogan
Let me show you something, bitch.
tom papa
It is a wild country.
When you travel around...
joe rogan
Look at my phone.
Watch this.
What do you got?
tom papa
Wow.
joe rogan
The flag blows in the wind, bro.
tom papa
It moves.
joe rogan
I believe in America as a concept.
I don't think it's a bad thing to believe in America as a concept.
tom papa
No, come on.
joe rogan
I think we're getting better.
We're working on this.
I think this idea that...
People were complaining that someone put the American flag on a cop car in California.
Did you see that shit?
tom papa
Yeah.
joe rogan
Yeah, like, hey, this is...
We're in America.
unidentified
Yeah.
tom papa
What do you mean they put it on a cop car?
joe rogan
What's wrong with putting an American flag on a cop car?
tom papa
Like, just draped it over it?
No!
joe rogan
Like, they had, like, the side panel where it says the police department has the American flag incorporated into their logo.
tom papa
Oh.
joe rogan
Like, what do you, hate America?
tom papa
Yeah, what's wrong with that?
Look at that.
joe rogan
I like it.
tom papa
Yeah, it's pretty.
joe rogan
I like it.
I fucking salute those guys if they drove by.
tom papa
Laguna Beach.
joe rogan
What's the problem?
unidentified
Yeah.
joe rogan
Who doesn't like the American flag?
tom papa
What's wrong with being a patriot?
joe rogan
It's imperialism, man.
tom papa
Ah, jeez.
joe rogan
It's everything.
It's all the good, too.
It's all the creativity.
unidentified
Yeah.
joe rogan
All the art.
All the love.
All the positive people.
tom papa
All the opportunity.
joe rogan
All the influential people.
tom papa
It's amazing we're one country.
joe rogan
Look at this.
Oh, my God.
Listen to this fucking quote.
We have such an amazing community of artists here, and I thought the aesthetic didn't really represent our community.
This person said, it feels very aggressive.
unidentified
Bitch, you're in the winner's team!
Right.
joe rogan
Okay?
tom papa
You're in Laguna Beach.
joe rogan
Yeah, it's aggressive.
tom papa
An artist in Laguna Beach, just loving life.
Margaritas every day at four.
joe rogan
It's aggressive.
That's why you can walk around with flip-flops, you fucking idiot.
It's aggressive.
Yeah, but it's not aggressive to you.
tom papa
It's not aggressive.
Police are your friends.
If something happens to your house, who do you want to come?
A guy with his watercolor kit or the police?
joe rogan
Yeah, but they're not even saying that.
Like, the police car, the colors on the car.
They're not saying we shouldn't have police.
They're saying that flag is too aggressive.
tom papa
Yeah, but it's the flag and the police.
joe rogan
Yeah, but why does the flag make it more aggressive that it's so stupid?
tom papa
I don't get it.
joe rogan
But it's that thought process.
There's just something wrong with us.
tom papa
Well, there is that knee-jerk reaction from people on the far left that think that everything we do is evil.
You know, from the beginning of the country to now, we're just corrupt and evil and awful.
Then why are you still here?
Why are you going to the arcade?
joe rogan
I think they would all admit that it has great qualities.
The problem is when people really focus on only the negative aspects.
tom papa
Right.
joe rogan
The negative aspects of this country are real.
They're real.
tom papa
Of course.
joe rogan
From top to bottom.
In every group of human beings, the negative aspects are real, but this group of human beings, in a relatively short period of time, this group of human beings has managed to accomplish insane architecture, music, comedy, writing, and dominate the world.
I mean, it's a crazy fucking weird place, but dominate the world...
In a democratic sense?
tom papa
Right.
joe rogan
With a democratic election in their country at least?
tom papa
In a mostly peaceful manner?
joe rogan
The real problem is then you start wondering like what the United States does outside of this country and whether or not they should be doing it, right?
It's like, are they doing this because they have to do this?
Because this is the way the rules work in that country?
I mean, why are they propping up this guy when this guy is clearly a dictator?
Is it better to have the dictator in charge than to have it become a failed state like Libya?
All the shit that's way beyond our pay grade.
tom papa
Right, right, exactly.
joe rogan
That's where things get screwy.
And you say like, yeah, I don't like what America does overseas.
Okay, I don't exactly know what they do, and I don't think you do either.
tom papa
No, exactly.
joe rogan
I think there's some...
tom papa
Until Julius Hodge tells us.
joe rogan
Yeah, well, clearly some people know, right?
Some people are super educated and informed.
I'm not denying that.
But what I'm saying is that most of the people that have these really aggressive opinions about these things...
I don't necessarily think they've thought about it too deeply.
tom papa
No, but you also know that, you know, look, everybody knows the country does some dirty stuff in places that wasn't cool.
joe rogan
Well, find the country who doesn't.
tom papa
Right, exactly.
joe rogan
It's like the thing these militaries and these countries have to do in order to keep peace and stay alive.
tom papa
Yeah.
And, you know, you want to shine light on that, so maybe it's not done again.
But it's part of the thing that we were talking about before, about our grandparents not having a lot of the information, and in a way that you're living in the dark, and that's bad, but in a way you're living in the light now, and you see everything.
The problem with seeing everything, I think it kind of is a problem, is that you realize that no organization, no country, no government, Is flawless.
No person.
They're flawed.
Everything is flawed.
Everything.
And now we have this idea that if somebody isn't perfect, they should be just run out of town.
joe rogan
Cancelled.
tom papa
Yeah, cancelled.
Kicked out of office, whatever.
We're all flawed.
Everybody's flawed.
And this idea, because we can find everything else out, you can expose everyone's flaws.
Well, we're going to have to come out of this somehow realizing that Flaw doesn't mean that they're evil or they're negative and they have to be kicked out.
joe rogan
Do you think there's ever going to be a time in humans, like whether it's a hundred years from now or a thousand years from now, where there's no war?
tom papa
Yes.
I do.
joe rogan
How do you see that happening?
tom papa
Well, it's going to start with cop cars with flags on them.
And then they're going to patrol around.
I think it would be technology.
And I think it's a matter of everybody becoming more comfortable.
If you can have people...
This is like a Thomas Friedman idea that if...
If you want to stop people fighting in the Middle East, give them all the comforts of a good society.
Let them be able to go eat McDonald's and sit in a coffee shop, and all of a sudden you don't want to fight as much.
And that means prosperity, that means popping.
So I think technology, if you can bring more water to people and there's less suffering, if climate change doesn't ruin all of that, I think if you can prop these people up and give all these people, if they can rise, then there's no sense.
I mean, we're at a point now where there's fewer wars than ever before.
On the planet.
joe rogan
Sure.
tom papa
So we're headed in that direction, so I don't see why not.
joe rogan
Well, as a thought exercise, let's look at it this way.
What makes anybody decide to act as a group?
What makes anybody?
Why would we decide to go?
What negotiations should we be having with someone in Germany?
Why are we having a conversation about anything?
You live way the fuck over there on the other side of the ocean.
tom papa
Uh-huh.
joe rogan
What would make people act as a group and go over and try to fuck with somebody else that's in another place?
tom papa
Well, people can definitely be rallied for any cause.
joe rogan
Most certainly.
But do you think, this is my thought, that there will come a time where that kind of rallying doesn't work?
That people will stop believing?
I mean, this is one of those...
Very bizarre ideas that the systems that we've established for human civilizations, whether it's countries or cities or continents, whatever it is, these systems, once all the boundaries that kept people from freely traveling, once those are dissolved...
tom papa
It's all broken down.
No country anymore.
joe rogan
The only thing that's keeping it together now is the fact that it's air travel.
So they know when you're coming in.
They get to check your papers.
Right.
Oh, you're flying in from overseas.
Are you Mr. Papa was only one way motherfucker?
You got to land right here right in this spot And then we take each individual and we say can I see your paperwork?
What do you got?
Who are you?
Where are you from?
Where are you born?
Do you have money or your drug addict you ever been arrested and that and they're allowed they could still do that that way That didn't exist if it was way easier to go to Germany Yeah, there was a technology that would allow you like a person like you or me the same way we could drive places We could just fly into somewhere and land anywhere.
Yeah You don't have to go to a fucking specific location like an airport or get funneled through a road that takes you to some checkpoint station like when you're trying to drive from Mexico.
If people could fly.
If people flew anywhere they wanted to go.
If that technology existed.
Good fucking luck keeping people from coming into your city.
Good luck.
All those rules are out the window.
All those immigration rules, that doesn't exist anymore.
tom papa
It can't exist.
joe rogan
People can go anywhere they want.
tom papa
But what are you saying that gives you?
joe rogan
Well, it gives you the interaction with human beings in a way that you won't be able to get them as a group as easily to go after another group.
tom papa
Right.
Because now there's no country, basically.
We're not part of this that has to go fight that.
We're all one now.
joe rogan
What do you do if one person lives in a great spot and they don't want to give up their oil?
tom papa
Right?
joe rogan
Then it becomes a problem.
Come on, guys.
We're all in this together.
Those people in Alaska, they got all that fucking oil, bro.
tom papa
Here's two things, though.
Here's two things of why it might not work.
Oh, there's probably 2,000 things.
Yeah, but only two that I can think of.
joe rogan
Okay, let me hear it.
tom papa
Italians are Italians and Germans are Germans and Mexicans are Mexicans and you get around your people and you feel it and you know it and I know who you are and we're part of that tribe and we're part of that thing and it doesn't matter that we grew up somewhere.
I just know you as an Italian and I'm an Italian and I am with you and that is very different from that Turkish guy over there.
That thing, that very human thing, chemistry thing of your own blood, your own thing, I don't think that's going to go away forever.
joe rogan
Bro, you're old school and you bake bread.
unidentified
Okay?
joe rogan
I think you're talking nonsense.
You're really into old-timey things.
You're into old-timey things.
tom papa
I do love old-timey things.
joe rogan
If they could fix your eyes without glasses, you'd be like, nah, I like the glasses.
They make you feel like I'm thinking.
I put them on, I'm getting ready to go to work.
I like it.
tom papa
But I think that's a real thing.
I like my horse.
joe rogan
Horses are better than cars.
They're your friend.
They're your friend.
You give them hay.
unidentified
It's not that bad.
joe rogan
And the shit is actually really good for fertilizer.
tom papa
All right.
Well, I'm going to blow your mind with my technology end of this conversation, which I just read an article yesterday, that in China, face recognition is the thing that's going to stop Your fantasy of everybody just loving each other and going around.
In China, with face recognition, they're able to recognize and categorize Muslims in the country.
There's like this one sect of Muslim in China.
And with all this face recognition that they're seeing from your phone, from everything, they're starting to catalog the enemy.
And they're going to be able to, police are sharing information and hotels and everybody, and they're all now, through this network, know what type of person just walked into this building and whether they're friendly or they're the enemy.
And that thing, that face recognition thing, could end up splitting us apart even more.
Old timey Tommy with his technological facts.
joe rogan
Here, China's Big Brother surveillance technology isn't nearly as all-seeing as the government wants you to think.
jamie vernon
This is kind of like a...
They might be able to upgrade it, though.
Oh, for sure.
tom papa
That's 1.0.
joe rogan
Do you remember when your phone unlocked with your fingerprint and it blew your motherfucking mind?
You're like, what, bro?
unidentified
It's true.
joe rogan
It's my finger!
unidentified
I can use my pinky.
joe rogan
It even works for my pinky.
unidentified
Yeah, I get five fingerprints on this motherfucker.
tom papa
I get to do the side of my thumb and it still knows.
joe rogan
It says glasses?
jamie vernon
It's a cop.
joe rogan
What do you mean?
jamie vernon
This is a cop.
tom papa
It's a cop with Google Glass?
Yeah, it's got some sort of face recognition thing.
It's like that Tom Cruise movie.
What was that Tom Cruise movie?
joe rogan
I don't know.
tom papa
Minority Report.
joe rogan
Whoa, was that real?
tom papa
Yeah.
joe rogan
No, but this.
jamie vernon
Not Tom Cruise.
tom papa
Tom Cruise is definitely real.
jamie vernon
I don't know, but it looks real.
joe rogan
That's, you know, I tried a Google Glass on once.
I actually went through a whole UFC weigh-ins wearing a Google Glass.
tom papa
How was it?
joe rogan
I was filming it, I guess.
It wasn't ready.
tom papa
Right.
joe rogan
It wasn't ready, and I think that's why they haven't upgraded it.
They're like, let's hold off, because this is not working.
tom papa
Yeah, it's been a while.
joe rogan
They're not into that dorky shit.
And people got super uncomfortable when you were around them.
It's like holding a camera on everybody.
Walking around with a fucking camera everywhere.
I think they'll have something eventually, but I have a feeling it'll be something where there's a technology where the outside, you can't see things, but on the inside you can.
And then they'll show you images directly in front of you on the lens.
So you wear glasses like your glasses.
unidentified
Uh-huh.
joe rogan
But it'll show you things right in front of you.
jamie vernon
I got one that I heard.
I don't know if I understand and believe that this is real, but I just Googled it and I found something that makes it seem like it.
So the next version of the VR headsets are supposed to have brain tracking in them.
And that sounds super scary.
But it's already being implemented and tested.
joe rogan
Yeah, you get a knock on your door.
All you think about is beating off.
What is wrong with you, man?
tom papa
Seriously?
joe rogan
No, no, no.
We thought you were a regular person, but you're beating off a hundred times a week.
Can you imagine if they wanted to have a talk to you?
Like, Mr. Papa, you watched 14 hours of pornography this week.
Yeah.
That seems a lot.
tom papa
Yeah.
joe rogan
I think your mother would think that seems like a lot.
unidentified
Don't you think?
joe rogan
I mean, I don't want to talk to her, but...
tom papa
Well, they say employers are going to do that, insurance companies are going to do that, and they're going to be able to...
joe rogan
Find out how much you're beating off.
tom papa
How much you're beating off, how much you're working out, how much you're sleeping, whether...
joe rogan
Look at that.
We promise to share only good stuff.
unidentified
Yeah, right.
tom papa
Sure.
joe rogan
That's like Google when they said, don't be evil.
tom papa
Yeah.
joe rogan
They abandoned that.
Once you started making money, they fucking painted right over that side.
tom papa
Eh, maybe a little evil.
joe rogan
What is evil, man?
I mean, what is evil?
tom papa
Evil shmeevil.
joe rogan
We're going in that direction.
tom papa
Yeah, man.
joe rogan
It's going in that direction.
It's all going to some sort of a wearable thing that connects you.
tom papa
But a weird thing that everywhere you're going, they're picking off your face.
And then you're going to be able to...
They're going to know exactly what you are and who you are.
It's a strange...
joe rogan
It's strange, but is it any more strange than our lives today in comparison to people that lived in 1920, like we were talking about earlier?
This is way weirder.
The way we live is way weirder.
tom papa
We're in weird town already, for sure.
You just hope it doesn't get into the hands of people that can really mess with you.
joe rogan
Oh yeah, the people with the money?
tom papa
Yeah.
joe rogan
The people with the money and all the control?
Yeah.
tom papa
They're going to be cool with it, right?
joe rogan
Yeah, they'll be great.
tom papa
They'll be alright.
joe rogan
Yeah, they'll be fine.
Everything's going to be fine.
tom papa
Do you have Alexa in your house?
Alexa.
joe rogan
Yeah.
My kids do.
tom papa
My one friend is always trying to tell me, just get that out of your house.
It's listening to everything that you say and everything that you do.
joe rogan
Don't say anything bad in that room.
jamie vernon
I had a question about the Neuralink might be coming on soon or whatever.
I was thinking about if it got to the point where, say we all got it, and then everyone you knew had it, and there's like a thousand people that have it, wouldn't it hit a threshold point where you're like, not everybody should have this.
We're good at this point right here.
joe rogan
Well, how would you ever deny people something like that, though?
jamie vernon
The cost?
It might be really expensive to have.
joe rogan
No, but I mean, how would you ever?
jamie vernon
I know.
joe rogan
You can't deny people that, like, say, if someone's coming up and they want to try it and everyone else has it.
That would create a giant problem.
That'd be like if you said that with cell phones.
Too many people have cell phones.
We have to stop.
You're no more buying cell phones.
jamie vernon
I know that's why I sort of think that there might become a big problem with that.
joe rogan
Why?
tom papa
What is Neuralink?
joe rogan
I don't know.
But hold on a second.
I don't understand why you think...
jamie vernon
I just sort of think that if, in the theory that you're going to let thousands of people have instant access to the world's knowledge at their fingertips, at a thought's instant, that becomes too powerful in the wrong hands.
And the people that might have it first might see the future problems of that.
I'm just sort of wondering.
I was thinking way too far.
joe rogan
Jamie got high and watched Superman.
That sounds like you got high and watched Superman.
jamie vernon
So I guess the answer you say is like, no, that probably won't be a problem?
joe rogan
Well, no.
tom papa
You can't stop it, though.
jamie vernon
That's what I'm wondering.
joe rogan
I don't think that anyone can say that it's not going to be a problem.
tom papa
Yeah.
joe rogan
I don't know.
I mean, what is a problem, though?
It's going to be something.
It's going to be a something.
tom papa
Yeah, it's going to change.
joe rogan
If everyone has access to all the world's information instantaneously.
First of all, colleges are going under, son.
jamie vernon
That was my first time.
At first I was like, they're going to fight that.
They're going to fight that all day.
I don't think they can.
They're not going to be able to.
joe rogan
The amount of money that you would make off of something that made everybody super smart.
Yeah.
There's no way.
Imagine if you found out.
How ironic would it be if you found out that Stanford and Harvard had banded together to try to stop this from coming out because it would kill their business?
unidentified
Yeah.
Yeah.
joe rogan
And it was like, you know, just like how there's some college admissions scandals going down.
tom papa
Oh, yeah.
It's so great.
joe rogan
If there was a scandal that all these higher universities had banded together to try to stop this because it was going to kill their business.
tom papa
Like, everybody can know everything we tell them more than everything we tell them.
I'm going on some college tours already.
joe rogan
Jesus Christ.
tom papa
Yeah.
Oh my god.
It really makes you think.
I'm like, do they really need this?
This is expensive.
joe rogan
Oh yeah, man.
tom papa
Do they really need a degree in all of this?
I don't know.
joe rogan
It's a weird business, man.
tom papa
It's a total weird business.
joe rogan
I don't know why it costs so much.
tom papa
I'll tell you why.
joe rogan
Why?
tom papa
Because the administrators are all making bank money.
joe rogan
Is that what it is?
tom papa
Yeah.
It's all the money that goes...
joe rogan
You're going through that right now, so tell me what's going on.
tom papa
So all these kids' generations are in debt because they have to take these student loans because college is more expensive than ever before.
It hasn't changed running the university, the teachers.
It's the administration of these giant universities are making so much money They're making millions and they keep cranking it out and they keep needing to up the rate and then they make money accessible for the students through loans and then they keep feeding themselves.
It's horrible.
It's a horrible corrupt system.
joe rogan
And it's also subsidized, right?
tom papa
Well, the government will subsidize some money.
Yeah.
joe rogan
How much does the government subsidize private education?
tom papa
Private education?
I don't think any.
joe rogan
Just public?
tom papa
Yeah.
jamie vernon
You get fast full on, though.
tom papa
Yeah.
It's so expensive.
I mean, you know...
joe rogan
Isn't that weird, too?
There's, like, state schools, private schools.
tom papa
Yes.
joe rogan
You know, they all cost money.
tom papa
Mm-hmm.
joe rogan
Everything costs money.
unidentified
Yeah.
joe rogan
Like, what is it like...
How much does it cost to get to, like, USC? How much is, like, a semester at USC? 70,000?
No, not a semester.
unidentified
No.
tom papa
A year?
joe rogan
A year?
Is it 70,000?
tom papa
Probably 70. 50 for the year.
Yeah, that's the online Google search thing.
That's 50 plus your room and board plus all the rest of it.
joe rogan
And if your kid fucks off...
tom papa
Yes!
Which, of course, they're going to do.
joe rogan
And by the way, to have 50 grand, you need to make like 80, right?
With taxes and everything?
tom papa
Oh, yeah.
joe rogan
So you got to make 80 grand.
tom papa
Yeah.
joe rogan
For a whole year of your kid being in school.
tom papa
Yeah.
joe rogan
And if your kid's just doing bong hits.
unidentified
Totally.
joe rogan
Playing ping pong and shit.
tom papa
My father dropped me off at school when I was a sophomore.
He just drove me into college and dropped off my stuff.
I was so psyched to go see my friends.
Work hard.
Be responsible.
Okay, Dad.
Okay, okay.
I go running into my dorm room.
My buddies are there.
I haven't seen them all break.
Tom!
They hand me a bong.
unidentified
Hey!
tom papa
I light up.
As soon as I walk in, my bags haven't even dropped.
I light it with my lighter and this huge flame comes out.
Almost like lights my face on fire.
unidentified
I'm like, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah.
tom papa
Hey!
Papa, your dad's outside.
He's in the van.
I forgot something.
I forgot a lamp in the van.
He's like, I go running out there.
I'm like, hey, what's up?
You know, hoping I don't smell.
He goes, hey, you forgot your...
What happened to your eyebrow?
Your eyebrow's burnt off.
What did you do in the two minutes?
I just took the lamp.
unidentified
Thanks, Dad.
tom papa
See you later.
And he's writing checks.
He's writing checks for me to go do that, you know?
Yeah, it's brutal.
jamie vernon
It's actually more.
That was just tuition I saw.
tom papa
Yeah, see?
$75,000.
$75,000.
USC, one year.
joe rogan
Room and boards, $15,300.
jamie vernon
That's got to be low, because that's just about over $1,000 a month.
It's got to be...
joe rogan
Yeah, it should be higher than that.
tom papa
And that's without, like, if your kid, if you live on the East Coast and you're flying your kid back and forth and all the rest of it.
joe rogan
But look at personal.
tom papa
It's so expensive.
joe rogan
Personal and miscellaneous.
$1,400 for the year?
jamie vernon
$1,400 a month?
unidentified
Get out of here.
joe rogan
Yeah, that's crazy.
tom papa
Forget it.
Forget it.
joe rogan
That's $25 a week.
jamie vernon
The books are going to be way more than $100 a month, too.
The books are going to be $1,200 a semester, probably.
tom papa
You should go to state school.
You pay a quarter of that.
Stay in.
Get your undergrad.
joe rogan
Here's the thing.
You could have a nonsense education like me, where you just read things that you're interested in, and then you never get a real base education.
I don't have a degree in anything.
tom papa
You didn't go to college?
joe rogan
I went to college, but I fucked off.
I barely paid attention.
I went to UMass Boston.
tom papa
Oh, yeah.
joe rogan
I didn't even take my SATs.
tom papa
Oh, really?
joe rogan
No.
They had a continuing education program.
You could just sign up and start taking classes there.
tom papa
Oh, nice.
Did you go the whole way?
joe rogan
No.
I went for three years.
I was barely paying attention.
tom papa
Three years?
joe rogan
Yeah.
I guess I realized I was doing it a little bit while I was still doing stand-up, like while I started doing stand-up.
It was literally only so that people didn't think I was a loser.
tom papa
Right.
joe rogan
I just wanted to let people know I'm doing something.
I didn't pay attention at all.
tom papa
Right.
joe rogan
All I was thinking about was martial arts competition and then it was stand-up.
tom papa
Right.
Well, yeah.
joe rogan
The transition right there.
tom papa
Yeah, once that happens, forget it.
joe rogan
Once I realized that people made money doing stand-up, that's when I quit.
tom papa
It depends on what you want to go do.
You want to go in law or you want to do certain medicine.
There's certain routes where you need a degree, where you really need a degree.
And there's definitely something good to going to school and being around other people from around the country and all kind of thinking.
joe rogan
For sure.
tom papa
It's all positive.
But you should not go into debt.
I have all these nephews that they got out of school $30,000 in debt.
This is the start of your life as an adult.
joe rogan
The worst.
tom papa
$30,000 in debt.
They can't keep up with the payments.
So then the interest kicks in.
And after four years, now they owe $50,000.
And they're constantly chasing it.
And now they ask their parents to help them out.
And they co-sign.
Now you have two generations.
joe rogan
And they probably owe taxes.
tom papa
Right.
And they're now on their second job where no one cares anymore where you went to school.
They never even ask the question.
joe rogan
They don't?
tom papa
No.
Not in...
No.
No.
In certain places, yeah.
In certain routes.
joe rogan
It really depends on what you're trying to do.
tom papa
Right.
joe rogan
If you're going to be a doctor, I think they care.
tom papa
Yes.
joe rogan
I think they care.
tom papa
Well, yeah.
Well, maybe.
Depends what kind of doctor.
There's a lot of doctors.
joe rogan
Are you going to be a history professor?
You're applying for a job as a history professor?
tom papa
Go into television production, whatever.
No one gives a shit.
joe rogan
Oh, that's true.
If you're going to do Hollywood-type jobs, yeah, nobody gives a fuck.
tom papa
No.
Go work in construction.
You could do...
What?
My whole thing is, and I keep trying to say this to my daughter, is that you should never, don't jeopardize your future for this degree.
You can get degrees, they'll be important, they'll help you, but you should not strap yourself with debt.
joe rogan
That's wise advice.
tom papa
Yeah.
joe rogan
Very wise advice.
tom papa
And she's like, how about you work harder and just pay for it and I won't have to be in debt.
joe rogan
That's a good thing for her to say.
Yeah.
unidentified
Clever.
tom papa
Very smart.
joe rogan
She set you up.
tom papa
And my other daughter, I'm just going to give her headshots.
$300 headshots right in the business.
joe rogan
The business.
tom papa
Done.
joe rogan
That old show business.
Yeah, hey, everybody's crazy.
But I thought show business people were crazy.
Everyone's crazy.
You're crazy.
I'm crazy.
tom papa
Yeah.
joe rogan
You think insurance salesmen people aren't fucking crazy?
They're just better at hiding it all day.
tom papa
Yeah.
joe rogan
That's what they do.
They hide it.
They hide it all fucking day.
tom papa
If you were really smart, you'd just go into plumbing.
joe rogan
Listen, we always need plumbing.
tom papa
There's not a lot of plumbers out there.
unidentified
I know.
joe rogan
We always need plumbing.
tom papa
Yeah, and you make a really good living at it, and there's not a lot of people that are learning these skills anymore.
That's what you should go do.
joe rogan
Or, do something you really want to do.
Find something you really want to do.
tom papa
Yeah.
joe rogan
Maybe you don't want to be a plumber.
tom papa
Should it be a requirement that they know what they want to do before they go into college?
joe rogan
No.
But see, what college should be is education.
What it really seems to be more is like prepping you for the job force.
You know, I mean, there's education as well, but it's prepping you for the job force.
And nowadays, at least in a certain segment of the population, you're getting these colleges that are also like socially indoctrinating kids on socialist ideas and a lot of ideas that...
You know, just contrary to what probably their parents taught them.
And so then there's this internal dispute and who's right and who's wrong and do I rebel against my parents and go full social justice warrior?
Yeah.
Join the young Republicans on campus.
And, you know, kids are just trying to find who they are.
tom papa
Yeah, there's definitely, when you walk onto these campuses, even just to tour them, which I never did when I was, I just, you know, picked one out and went.
But you go in, the personality of each university is so dominant.
As soon as you walk onto the campus and went to some small, really left liberal arts schools, and you just feel like the posters and everything, you're just like...
As a white male, you're not welcome here at all.
And then you go to some other places and it's just kind of free-flowing and everybody's just...
They're just all about the football team.
joe rogan
Have you ever seen a poster that says, as a white male, you're not welcome here?
tom papa
Yeah.
unidentified
Where?
tom papa
in my daughter's room that's hilarious No, but you know, it's like very progressive and everything is an issue and that's where you develop those ideas.
But what I'm saying is you can really learn from going on these campuses like, oh, this is...
There's a vibe.
joe rogan
You get indoctrinated into whatever vibe the campus holds and you get social points for following those ideas as hardcore as you can.
It's really interesting.
If you take yourself out of whichever way you lean, if you lean left, you can say, well, it's because they're young and they're passionate and they're right.
If you lean right, you're like, oh, they're babies and they're being taught by people who never made it in the real world.
They only exist in academia and they're...
But instead of looking at it like that, look at it...
Where you don't have a fucking dog in the fight and just step back and go, this is fascinating.
It's like people are just trying to change and influence people's thinking and behavior.
And some of it is to justify their own thinking and behavior.
Some of it is because some people just like controlling people.
They like getting people to listen to them.
And some of it is because they genuinely think that this is for the best for the human race.
And so all these things are competing together.
That's why you have some people that are activists and you meet them.
They're not annoying at all.
You're like, god damn, you're Because they're doing it with the right heart.
But then you have activists that are so annoying.
Why are they so annoying?
Because they're not doing it for the right reasons.
They're doing it to try to change people.
Because they want to poke you.
They want to have a reason to be upset at you because you're not listening to them.
You're not following their ideas.
tom papa
Right.
Them and their.
Those are the key words.
It's about them and their status and their power over you.
Yeah.
No, I know.
There's a couple people...
You know, there's a couple people I know that have gone that way so hard that you can't even have conversations with them on both sides.
joe rogan
It doesn't help.
All it does is create more conflict.
That kind of combative attitude creates more conflict.
You could be right on every single issue, but if you're super combative all the time, people just don't want to communicate with you and they're not willing to It's brutal.
tom papa
It's like this...
It's a horrible way to live.
And they're angry.
They're just angry.
They just walk around with this anger.
It's like, get an ice cream cone.
Enjoy your life a little bit.
Like, what are you doing?
joe rogan
They're hardcore Dodgers fans.
That's what they are.
They're just hardcore sports fans for the Democrats.
Yeah.
They're like, our fucking team's gonna kick their fucking ass in 2020. Trump's going down.
tom papa
Right, exactly.
joe rogan
It's really that.
tom papa
Yeah, it really is that.
Hey, did you see Tiger yesterday?
joe rogan
Dude, I was watching it while we were in Georgia.
We were in Georgia for the UFC, and I had a comedy show out there, and me and Santino were watching it on the screen.
tom papa
On Saturday or yesterday?
joe rogan
We watched it Friday, or was it Friday or Saturday?
Saturday.
tom papa
Friday, Saturday, and then he won yesterday.
joe rogan
Well, whatever days it was.
I think we watched it two days in a row.
I think it was in the gym every day we were there.
But then I got home and I saw it on my phone.
I was like, holy shit.
I don't even give a fuck about golf.
tom papa
I know.
It was powerful.
joe rogan
Guy made a comeback.
tom papa
A huge comeback.
joe rogan
Look at that.
I mean, that's crazy.
tom papa
Amazing.
11 years later.
Oh, my God.
So great.
joe rogan
Somebody put on Instagram one of my quotes.
Oh, yeah.
Attached to that.
It was pretty cool.
I love a guy.
I love...
What did I say?
I love a success story, but even more than that, I love a guy fucks his life up and then gets it back together again story.
tom papa
It's the greatest.
It's the greatest.
unidentified
That's the best.
joe rogan
When you realize how much good you must feel to that guy to be on top of the world again.
tom papa
And then he was so messed up and the back problems and the troubles and the kids and the wife and the thing and just 11 years and he didn't stop working.
He just went to work and went to work and went to work.
joe rogan
Crazy.
11 years later, And so he won one major championship recently, right?
Didn't he win one?
It was a big deal.
He won a major championship within the last couple months?
tom papa
It wasn't a major.
This was the first major he's won in 11 years.
joe rogan
Okay, so the other one wasn't a major, but it was a big event, right?
tom papa
Yeah, it was a big tournament.
joe rogan
He wins that one.
Everybody's like, wow!
tom papa
He might be back.
joe rogan
He could fucking win big tournaments again.
tom papa
And then he just, oh, it was so cool to see the crowd just kept building over the weekend.
And by yesterday, it was massive.
Thousands of people around the green just hanging on him.
Oh, the relief that you saw just coming out of him was so great.
And then at the end, he walks off where as a kid...
He was only like 21 when he won the first time, hugging his dad at the edge.
And now he comes off 11 years later all this time, and his dad's passed, and he's hugging his child, his son.
Now he's the father in the same spot.
I was trying not to cry the whole time.
Oh, it was such a tearjerker.
What relief.
People were just so happy for him.
Such a great story.
We do love a comeback.
joe rogan
Why not, man?
tom papa
You love a comeback.
joe rogan
Come on.
We're all flawed, like you were saying before.
tom papa
Yeah, man.
joe rogan
But being able to improve, that's what that guy did.
He bit down and improved.
tom papa
Amazing.
joe rogan
Improved his life.
tom papa
Yeah, and never stopped.
joe rogan
Yeah, went south, and he picked it right back up and brought it north again.
Yeah.
tom papa
11 years of doing it.
unidentified
And failing, and failing, and failing.
joe rogan
Yeah.
tom papa
Isn't that beautiful?
joe rogan
It is beautiful.
tom papa
Such a cool thing.
joe rogan
Yeah.
tom papa
I was wondering, like, he wears that red shirt.
He's got to wear the red on Sunday.
It's like his...
joe rogan
That's his thing?
tom papa
That's his thing.
joe rogan
Yeah.
tom papa
And he was in Light Colors on Saturday, and I was like, does he just, like, free himself from that?
Or is that a superstition that you've got to kind of hang on to?
joe rogan
That's a good question.
tom papa
Yeah, you know?
joe rogan
What do you think would happen if there was an openly gay black guy with blonde hair who only wore pink who was, like, the best golfer of life?
And started dominating.
It'd be great.
Some dude who's like super duper gay.
unidentified
Yeah.
joe rogan
And he's just got this fucking crazy drive.
And he gets down on the ground.
He can see the way the earth is rolling.
And the whole time he's doing it, he's like lisping and snapping his fingers and wiggling his butt.
tom papa
You know I put pretty.
joe rogan
What would happen if he started just winning?
They would probably poison him.
You think they would poison him?
unidentified
Ah!
joe rogan
It was like a super flamboyant gay guy who was winning, I don't care, black or white.
They would poison him.
Do you don't think so?
tom papa
I don't think so because golfers are so close to flamboyantly queenie gay anyway.
Look at their outfits.
They're all pink and like big plaid pants.
They're like a bunch of old white dudes, straight white dudes who want to be gay.
joe rogan
But it's all this country club life, right?
Isn't it a big part of it?
tom papa
Yeah.
joe rogan
You're going to have that guy swishing around back and forth.
tom papa
In the locker room.
joe rogan
Snapping his fingers.
Staring at dicks.
No.
No, no, no, no, no.
tom papa
They're going to...
He's sputting.
He's got a catchphrase.
joe rogan
All his hair is shaved except for a curly man bun that just pops straight up and it's blonde.
And he wears lipstick.
And he's a motherfucker at golf.
He's just killing fools.
tom papa
I just love my irons.
joe rogan
Maybe he would open golf up to everybody else.
tom papa
You think that would happen?
joe rogan
Do you think that Tiger Woods, he opened up golf for people of color, right?
Clearly they got into it because of him.
How many people got into golf that would have never even thought about playing golf?
Tiger could play?
tom papa
Yeah.
Started opening up to inner city.
Schools were starting to get involved in it.
joe rogan
What about the gay community?
Are they represented in professional golf?
I think they are.
Flamboyant, dressed like the Bee Gees in the 70s.
tom papa
They're close, Joe.
They're wearing plaid pants.
They're wearing tassels.
joe rogan
You have xenophobia.
That's how people from Scotland dress, you son of a bitch.
You son of a bitch.
tom papa
I'm just saying they would be embraced.
joe rogan
You know, Scotland's a weird place.
Like, you have to dress a certain way when you hunt there, or at least they have a certain way they dress, like a traditional way.
tom papa
I like that.
joe rogan
But it's not like, they don't wear camo.
tom papa
It's like an outfit.
joe rogan
Yeah, it's like an outfit.
tom papa
Like, what do they wear?
joe rogan
They wear like clothes.
unidentified
Weird.
joe rogan
Old-timey clothes.
tom papa
I like that.
I like tradition.
joe rogan
I know you did.
That's why I brought it up.
Bourdain went hunting in Scotland for his television show.
He had to wear some crazy-ass outfit.
You get suited for this outfit, this traditional hunting outfit.
tom papa
That's pretty cool.
joe rogan
Yeah, a lot of those...
I think a lot of those places like Scotland too, I think most of it was like private land.
I think back in the day, like that was what Robin Hood was all about, right?
Robin Hood was originally supposed to be about someone who was poaching and hunting on the king's land because they were hungry.
So they were stealing from the rich to feed the poor.
Gentlemanly pursuit, hunting and shooting attire.
Wow.
Look how they dress.
tom papa
Wow.
Does that help you?
joe rogan
Helps me.
tom papa
Be a good hunter?
joe rogan
Because I get to goof on them.
tom papa
Or does it, like, does that get in the way of hunting, or does that help hunting?
joe rogan
That's not helping shit.
tom papa
A tie and a vest.
joe rogan
His boots are kind of fresh, though.
Go back to his boots.
unidentified
Yeah, man.
tom papa
That guy looks good.
joe rogan
Let me see his boots.
Can you make them boots larger?
Look at those fresh boots.
tom papa
Yeah, come on.
joe rogan
I'm going to start wearing those on stage.
Would I get in trouble for cultural appropriation wearing someone's stuff if they're white, too?
unidentified
No.
joe rogan
How does that work?
tom papa
No.
If they're more powerful than you, then you're okay.
joe rogan
Like, how does that work?
How does that work?
tom papa
You can't take from...
joe rogan
What percentage of Native American do you have to have in you to wear moccasins?
tom papa
Ooh, a lot.
joe rogan
The tassel jacket?
How about the suede tassel jacket?
tom papa
The Roger Daltrey?
joe rogan
Yes, like the rebels in the 70s war.
tom papa
I wanted one of those so bad when I was in high school.
They look so cool.
The Easy Rider with the fringe on it.
joe rogan
It's all moving when you're driving.
tom papa
Man, I wanted that.
joe rogan
Put your arm out the window with a car and it's flopping around.
You're on stage singing.
tom papa
The ladies must love you.
joe rogan
Look at that!
Oh, glorious.
unidentified
Come on.
joe rogan
Little strips of leather.
tom papa
See, but that goes too far.
What?
Because they have the Native American thing on the sleeve.
joe rogan
Let me see.
This one right here?
tom papa
No, not...
That other one.
joe rogan
Well, that one's too far.
tom papa
Yeah, it's too far.
joe rogan
Go to that one.
If you do that one, you better kill the bear that you use for those fucking teeth.
tom papa
Yeah.
That's too...
joe rogan
That's ridiculous.
tom papa
No, there's a white guy version of that which would be okay.
joe rogan
That's a girl who claims to be a healer.
unidentified
Right?
tom papa
Yeah.
joe rogan
That's who would wear that.
tom papa
See, if you wear that in Texas, you're okay.
joe rogan
Oh, my accent.
Yeah, okay, Daniel Boone.
Fuck out of here with that one.
That one's dark.
tom papa
I wanted one of those jackets.
joe rogan
I don't like you wearing a dark one.
tom papa
No?
joe rogan
What are you, Prince?
You like that guy?
What are you, a trapper?
That's too light.
tom papa
That looks terrible.
That guy looks terrible.
joe rogan
He's got the fringe in the bottom.
That's what's going to separate us from everybody else.
The curtains on the bottom.
A fringe.
Like a nice curtain in a fine restaurant.
tom papa
Look at Elvis.
joe rogan
Elvis had tassels.
tom papa
Elvis had rainbow tassels.
You could get away with it if you're Elvis.
If you're working for Enterprise Rent-A-Car...
unidentified
I think maybe you don't wear that.
joe rogan
Yeah, Elvis got away with some wild shit.
Who the fuck wore jumpsuits before Elvis?
tom papa
Jumpsuits.
joe rogan
It was him and Evel Knievel.
tom papa
Oh, Jesus Christ.
unidentified
Oh, man.
tom papa
Look at that.
Hendrix.
joe rogan
Oh, my God.
tom papa
That's, yeah.
joe rogan
Dude.
tom papa
See, but he's doing something.
He's playing a guitar.
He's moving around.
He's got a headband.
If you're making snow cones, that's not your jacket.
Man, I wanted one when I was in high school.
I wore moccasins for a little bit.
joe rogan
Put that picture back up.
Look at that.
That look.
How good does it look?
And I can never wear it.
He's got fringe on a greenish yellow.
How would you describe that color?
tom papa
It's like a teal.
Like a light teal.
joe rogan
Light teal.
He's got bell bottoms.
tom papa
Bell bottom jeans.
joe rogan
Acid washed bell bottoms.
tom papa
And he's got this cool jacket with fringes that are literally two feet long.
joe rogan
Yeah.
tom papa
And then a headband.
joe rogan
Dude.
tom papa
And it's just his...
joe rogan
It's kind of fuchsia, the headband, right?
It's kind of reddish.
tom papa
Yeah.
joe rogan
Like a light red frog.
tom papa
And it's on Jimi Hendrix.
That's the thing that we can't match.
We could buy all those items, but it's still our head.
It's not Jimi Hendrix's head.
joe rogan
Well, not only that, it's 2019, too.
Back then, he was in the groove.
Phil Hartman saw him live when he was a young kid.
Phil was like 18 years old.
He got a job at the Whiskey.
And his job was, you know how they have those giant monitors on the stage?
And sometimes those things would fall.
Like, into the crowd.
tom papa
Oh, jeez.
joe rogan
Especially if someone's standing on that or doing a show.
So, like, they're kind of, they're a little wobbly.
unidentified
Yeah.
joe rogan
So, they're standing right there.
So, his job was to stand right by the stage, like, literally have his hands, like, ready to catch these speakers.
tom papa
This was Phil's job?
joe rogan
Yes.
And Hendrix is right there.
unidentified
Whew!
Hendrick is right there, and he's 18. Oh, man.
Oh, my God.
joe rogan
Right in front of him.
unidentified
Crazy.
joe rogan
Right in front of him.
unidentified
I can't fight, but I don't know why.
tom papa
Excuse me while I kiss the sky.
I was that close to Blues Traveler once.
joe rogan
I don't think that's the same.
tom papa
All his harmonicas were right in his vest.
joe rogan
This was shortly before Jimi Hendrix died.
tom papa
Oh, really?
joe rogan
Yeah.
tom papa
Well, he died when he was...
joe rogan
He died in like...
tom papa
He was the magic age, right?
35, was it?
unidentified
It's 27. I think the magic age is 27, where they're all dying.
joe rogan
Or Morrison and Janis Choplin.
Isn't that the magic age?
Didn't he...
Where did he die?
tom papa
27. Wow.
joe rogan
Yeah.
What year did he die?
Was it 69?
70. 70?
1970. So Phil, you know...
tom papa
That's amazing.
joe rogan
Yeah, Phil was probably like 17 years old or something like that.
tom papa
Wow.
joe rogan
Yeah.
tom papa
God, fuck, man.
That's amazing.
joe rogan
Yeah.
tom papa
Did he have one of those fringe jackets?
joe rogan
I don't know.
I didn't ask that.
But the way he described it, man, the way he described it was like running into Jesus while you're out on a hike.
tom papa
Oh, he had to be.
unidentified
For real.
joe rogan
It was great.
Well, Phil was a musician, too.
tom papa
Yeah.
joe rogan
So when he'd talk about it, We had like this crazy gleam to his eye.
tom papa
Jeez.
joe rogan
And I was like, he was right fucking there.
unidentified
He was Yeah, come on.
tom papa
Hendrix, please.
I wanted one of those fringe jackets when I was in high school.
So I played football until I was a senior.
And then once football season's over, I have a half a year left of school.
And that's when I smoked weed for the first time and started playing guitar.
And I wanted one of the fringe jackets.
I didn't have one, but I did get a pair of moccasins for a little while.
I wore moccasins.
joe rogan
Did they have beads?
tom papa
They did not have beads, but they had the little fringe to them.
joe rogan
Little tassels?
tom papa
They were like, it was just...
joe rogan
Little fringe.
tom papa
Yeah, no sole.
joe rogan
Yeah.
What's the purpose of fringe?
Like, that's like when you think of a trapper jacket, right?
One of them David Boone, Davy Crockett type dudes.
tom papa
Style.
joe rogan
Think of them wearing that.
unidentified
Is that what it all was?
tom papa
Really?
unidentified
Yeah.
joe rogan
Why would they have any style back then?
tom papa
Everybody's got style.
joe rogan
Back then, it seems like they were just trying to stay alive.
tom papa
Yeah, the weak ones.
unidentified
What?
tom papa
But the cool ones are still trying to get laid.
You think Daniel Boone wasn't trying to work it a little bit?
joe rogan
Look at this.
Buckskins are often trimmed with a fringe, originally a functional detail to allow the garment to shed rain and to dry faster when wet because the fringe asks a series of wicks to disperse the water or quills.
Interesting.
Wow.
Buckskins derived from deerskin clothing worn by Native Americans.
Oh, wow.
tom papa
How about that?
joe rogan
That's genius.
tom papa
Smarter than you know.
joe rogan
Wow, so it hangs down and the water goes through all the tissue in the deer and gets to the bottom so those little things get wet but the thing that you're wearing that touches your skin is dry.
tom papa
You would think by now that deer would have had fringe on their outfits.
joe rogan
I think they don't give a fuck.
Deer are really hot.
tom papa
Are they?
joe rogan
Their body temperature is much higher than ours.
tom papa
Oh, really?
joe rogan
Yeah, it's one of the weirder things about when you put your hands on one.
tom papa
Oh, yeah?
joe rogan
Inside of them, they're really hot.
tom papa
So if we're like 98 degrees, what are they?
joe rogan
I don't know.
If I had to guess, I'd say it's more than 100. Oh, yeah?
Yeah, I bet they're probably like 105, something like that.
unidentified
What is it?
joe rogan
What's the body temperature?
jamie vernon
It brought up the cooking temperature when I hit internal temperature.
I was like, Jesus Christ, it's hot!
tom papa
It's 350 degrees!
They're cooking before we even catch them.
joe rogan
That's hilarious.
That's why people love deer.
We don't have to cook them.
tom papa
They're pre-cooked.
They're preheated.
jamie vernon
It's the same as most undulates, which is 37.5 to 38.5 degrees Celsius, which...
tom papa
Which we don't understand.
joe rogan
Well, just type in that.
tom papa
Pre-heated deer meat.
joe rogan
38.5 degrees Celsius?
What do you think that is?
If you had to guess.
I don't have a clue.
tom papa
What was the number?
joe rogan
38 degrees Celsius.
tom papa
Oh, that's 105. Is it?
No.
jamie vernon
That's like 90. 99.5 to 100. So it's right in the same range.
unidentified
That's it.
tom papa
They're like us.
jamie vernon
They're like someone with a little bit of fever.
tom papa
Oh, I did something that you would enjoy.
You might have even done this.
Speaking of body heat, I was in San Francisco last weekend.
joe rogan
Really?
tom papa
Performing.
And I was working with my friend Kira Soltanovich.
Very funny comedian.
She kicks ass.
She's Russian.
She grew up up there.
And she brought me to a Russian bathhouse.
joe rogan
Oh, they beat you up with sticks?
unidentified
Yeah.
tom papa
Did you ever do that?
joe rogan
No.
They call it banya.
tom papa
Banya.
Man, oh man.
You go into a sauna.
A two-level sauna.
So it's even hotter up at the top, like an attic in a sauna.
Super hot.
And you lay down on this bench and they take these bushes, these sticks, and they wet them and then they start beating you with them.
Not a lot of pressure.
It's so hot.
You're in a sauna.
You're already like really, really...
And then that thing...
joe rogan
And that thing is hot, too.
tom papa
And that thing's hot.
And with the steam coming off of the branches as they're beating your back, it creates a little pocket that gets even hotter.
So it just brings your body to this super high temperature.
They're making weather.
joe rogan
They're making weather.
tom papa
They really are.
joe rogan
Really?
tom papa
And...
Yeah, for about 15 minutes.
And you come out of there and just feel...
joe rogan
Do you jump in the cold afterwards?
tom papa
Yeah, into a cold plunge.
joe rogan
Yeah.
tom papa
All the way under this really cold water.
Amazing.
joe rogan
Yeah, the Russians really liked that.
Fedor Emelianenko was like one of the greatest heavyweights, if not the greatest heavyweight of all time.
One of the things that you would see about his training.
It was very old school Russian.
They did a lot of stuff in a playground.
They did a lot of stuff in a playground and he incorporated the banya that was a part of it.
You see him lying there and beating him with sticks.
There you go.
You see it on Showtime.
tom papa
Yeah, that's what...
joe rogan
They figured something out.
It's pretty great.
All the people that invented sauna, they figured something out.
There's something about that extreme temperature.
It's very good for your ability to recuperate.
You feel better.
It reduces inflammation.
tom papa
I felt great.
I went in there.
I've been traveling so hard over the last couple of months.
I've just been knotted up.
I was like, maybe I'll do this and then get a massage after.
Like a gentleman.
Like a gentleman.
joe rogan
Yeah.
tom papa
And we didn't have time.
She had to go.
She was driving me.
She had to go do something.
So we only had time for that part.
When I came out of the banya, I didn't need a massage.
Everything was relaxed.
Everything had changed in just like 15 minutes.
joe rogan
Yeah.
tom papa
It was great.
Man, I wish it was...
I don't know if they have them in L.A. or not, but I'd like to seek them out.
joe rogan
I know they have them in New York.
jamie vernon
There's one in West Hollywood.
tom papa
There is?
jamie vernon
Yeah.
A photo spa or something like that, yeah.
joe rogan
There you go, bro.
tom papa
A lot of dongs.
joe rogan
Keep your pants on.
tom papa
A lot of dongs.
Clothing was optional.
unidentified
Hey.
tom papa
Clothing optional.
And I'm with Kira, you know, we're like, you know, we're coworkers.
joe rogan
And she's wearing nothing.
tom papa
She's totally naked.
joe rogan
And then there's dongs everywhere?
tom papa
There's dongs everywhere.
joe rogan
She sees the dongs?
tom papa
She sees the dongs.
I see the dongs.
But we were the only ones covered up.
joe rogan
Girls can go and dongs stare in America?
tom papa
What's that?
joe rogan
In America?
Can you do this?
tom papa
Yeah.
San Francisco.
joe rogan
Are you sure?
tom papa
Yeah.
joe rogan
Girls can just walk in a room with dongs.
tom papa
They were naked?
The girls were naked?
Kira and I were the only ones with clothes on because we worked with each other.
joe rogan
Send in immigration.
unidentified
Ice?
joe rogan
Send ice into that place.
tom papa
A dong alert.
joe rogan
Yeah, there's something going on there, bro.
There's just dicks everywhere.
Open that door.
You cool with dicks in front of you?
I'm not.
What are they doing here?
tom papa
I was looking away.
joe rogan
Cops just come in with fucking masks on.
tom papa
On a dong alert?
joe rogan
Yeah, they throw one of those gas canisters that flashbangs.
tom papa
Just grabbing guys by their dongs and pulling them out into the paddy wagon.
joe rogan
They would all run out grabbing their dongs.
That's the first thing you're going to grab.
If someone throws a tear gas canister and explodes in a room...
unidentified
Cover your raw dick first.
tom papa
I'm wearing pants!
So I was the only one with pants on, and you can kind of feel like everyone was looking at you like...
joe rogan
Pussy.
tom papa
You're making us feel, like, shamed because you're wearing pants.
But I couldn't.
I'm with my opening act.
joe rogan
Yeah, that's a gay...
That's a tactic.
That's what that is.
tom papa
Yeah?
joe rogan
That's a tactic, yeah.
tom papa
What kind of...
What do you mean?
joe rogan
It's a tactic!
They're trying to be like, come on, man, show us your dick.
This is how you show everyone your dick.
You get together with five of your buddies, and you all are real comfortable with seeing each other's dicks.
We're going to get to see Mikey's dick.
How are you going to do that?
We're going to shame him.
We're going to shame him into showing us his dick.
And we're going to take our dicks out.
We're going to walk into that steam room.
I'm just going to let your nuts hang.
tom papa
Why does everyone want to see...
joe rogan
Hey, Mike, what the fuck are you doing with your...
Take your goddamn pants off.
And he'll be like, alright, alright, Jesus.
tom papa
Why does everyone want to see Mikey so bad?
joe rogan
Because Mikey probably has a little dick, which is why he keeps his pants on.
That's nothing you can do about that.
tom papa
That's what I felt like.
I felt like everybody thinks I have a small one because I got my pants up, but that's not it.
Just get a different hobby.
What are you doing?
joe rogan
But the other thing is when you're around people like that, right?
And it's not a bad thing.
It's a life choice.
But if you're around flossy people, if you're a person who likes...
Rolls Royces and giant mansions and, you know, you like that baller, I've got a big fat diamond ring lifestyle.
tom papa
Yeah.
joe rogan
That guy's around those people because he's selling diamond rings.
He's selling diamonds!
tom papa
Right.
joe rogan
Diamonds, motherfucker!
He's got billions from selling diamonds.
tom papa
How many carrots you want?
jamie vernon
$48 million.
unidentified
Woo!
joe rogan
Look at that.
jamie vernon
Blue.
joe rogan
A blue diamond.
jamie vernon
$48 million.
tom papa
Oh, yeah, I've seen that.
unidentified
$48 million.
joe rogan
$48 million.
A father bought it for his daughter.
Wow.
tom papa
It's a magic rock.
joe rogan
Damn.
Imagine if you're the daughter and you lose that shit.
unidentified
Wow.
joe rogan
You're out drinking.
You know, you fucking pull your panties down to pee in a curb because you're so hammered.
unidentified
Oh my god!
joe rogan
I'm so fucking hammered.
tom papa
I lost my ring!
My dad's gonna kill me!
joe rogan
It just slips right off while you're throwing up in a dumpster.
unidentified
My dad's gonna kill me!
tom papa
Yeah.
Maybe the daughter was 40. It makes you realize that the things that really give you worth in life is not the dough.
It's something that's going to engage your head and make you feel a little useful.
joe rogan
You're way better off having less dough and something you really love.
tom papa
Yeah.
joe rogan
But that's only if you have a certain amount of dough.
That's the problem.
The stress of not having enough money to feed yourself and feed your family and put a roof over your head, that's overwhelming for people, especially as we were talking about earlier, if people have fucking credit card debt or student loan debt or some insurmountable amount of debt that you can't get out of.
tom papa
Yeah, it just hangs on you.
Then you're not really thinking about, well, what's meaningful for my, what's a meaningful hobby for me?
joe rogan
Oh, dude, it's the worst.
The feeling of debt is the fucking worst.
And then the feeling of just working for nothing, that's also bad, too.
There's the feeling of, like, every day you're doing it just to exist, and at the end of the day you're exhausted.
So what is your life?
What is your life?
Is your life all this shit you hate to do?
Well, that's the answer for most people.
Most people, most of the time, the answer is you're doing something you hate to do, and it's been me, and I know it's been you at some point in your life.
tom papa
Yeah.
joe rogan
But goddamn, the amount that your life can change if you just no longer have to do something you don't want to do.
You could do something that you actually enjoy, whatever it is, whether it's carpentry or painting or whatever the fuck it is that you love to do.
tom papa
Do you think it has to be your work?
Or do you think you could be at a work where you're kind of into it, but then you have some other passion that's...
joe rogan
You could do that, but you're also, if your work isn't satisfying, that's most of your life.
People are like, yeah, you gotta do what you gotta do.
Of course you do.
Of course you have to do what you gotta do.
That goes without saying.
So, figure out a way out of there.
Everybody's got a way out.
People love to say things like that, like, hey, some people don't have that luxury.
People love to say things like that, so you have to acknowledge that.
But that's...
That's the case with anyone who's ever done anything where it was hard to do.
It's always going to be hard to do.
It's easy for you to say.
Of course it's easy for me to say.
I'm just saying it.
It's the easiest thing in the world.
I'm going to put a rocket on the moon.
See, I just said it.
tom papa
Wow.
joe rogan
Think about how hard it is to do.
tom papa
It's easy for you to say.
joe rogan
Exactly.
Of course it's easy to say.
But the difference, just as a person who's done both, the difference between doing something you hate doing and doing something you love doing, It's off the charts how much better your life is.
tom papa
No, absolutely.
joe rogan
Even if you're making less money.
tom papa
Even if you're making less money.
Exactly.
Because, you know, to use comedy as an example, because it's what we are, when you were making $5 a night, literally $5 a night as a comedian, I was so much happier than when I had a day job.
joe rogan
Oh, yeah.
tom papa
Making real money.
joe rogan
I remember the feeling of being able to make a living with just stand-up.
unidentified
Yeah.
joe rogan
Like, what?
tom papa
Like, holy cow.
And not a good living, just getting by.
joe rogan
In my beginning, it was super shaky.
tom papa
Yeah.
joe rogan
Super shaky.
tom papa
Right.
joe rogan
I started making money.
I was making a little bit of money in Boston, but I always had day jobs.
And then when I moved to New York, and then Jeff started managing me, then I started making money.
He'd get me booked in places, and I was working pretty much every weekend.
tom papa
Who was Jeff?
joe rogan
Jeff Sussman, my manager.
tom papa
Oh, Jeff Sussman.
joe rogan
Long-time manager.
tom papa
Yeah.
joe rogan
Started managing me when I was an open-miker.
tom papa
Oh, nice.
joe rogan
Yeah, we've been together forever.
tom papa
Wow.
joe rogan
He's the best.
tom papa
You still with him?
joe rogan
Yep.
tom papa
Wow.
joe rogan
Love him.
tom papa
That's amazing.
joe rogan
The best.
tom papa
That's amazing.
joe rogan
He's the best.
I love the guy.
tom papa
That's great.
joe rogan
He's an awesome person, too.
And just brilliant at his job, super low-key, doesn't give a fuck about Hollywood.
tom papa
Oh, that's great.
joe rogan
But, you know, he understands it.
He knows what to do.
He doesn't care.
He's like, do what makes you happy.
He just wants you to be happy.
tom papa
That's awesome.
So, and he picked you up when you were doing open mics?
joe rogan
Dude!
I was a scrub.
I wasn't even supposed to go on stage that night.
tom papa
Really?
joe rogan
Yeah, he came into town.
He had managed some other comedians.
Remember Bob Nelson?
You know Bob Nelson?
tom papa
Oh, yeah!
joe rogan
The football guy.
unidentified
Yeah, yeah.
joe rogan
You remember all that?
tom papa
Oh, my God.
joe rogan
He managed him.
tom papa
Oh, really?
joe rogan
Yeah, and he produced his HBO special.
unidentified
Wow.
joe rogan
And they were parting ways.
And they were parting ways, and Jeff was like, well, maybe I've seen everybody that I've seen in New York.
Maybe I'll take a trip to Boston.
So he took a trip to Boston and just fucking dumb luck, when I was driving limos, I wrote a joke that day.
I had this joke and I called up my friend Oliver, who was the manager at the club, and I said, hey man, can I come in and do like five minutes?
Because I have this joke I want to try out.
I said, sure, come on in.
And he liked me, so he hooked me up.
And I went on stage and I didn't even know Sussman was in the room.
tom papa
What?
joe rogan
Because I didn't know he was in the room, I didn't give a fuck.
I was super loose.
tom papa
You knew who he was at that point?
joe rogan
No, I didn't know who he was.
tom papa
You didn't know who he was, so it just didn't...
joe rogan
But if I knew that there was a manager from New York that handled Bob Nelson, I'd be like, holy shit.
I'd probably freak out.
tom papa
Sure.
joe rogan
And choke.
I mean, my act was shaky as fuck back then anyway.
You know, I'm only like two and a half, three years in a comedy, something like that.
tom papa
I was terrible.
Anything could happen.
joe rogan
Yeah, anything did, often.
You know, it was really interesting.
He took me to New York to...
He saw me there, and then he took me to New York to try out.
He wanted to see me perform in some other clubs.
So he said, are you willing to come down to New York?
So I said, sure, yeah.
I've always wanted to.
I was so nervous about performing in New York.
tom papa
Yeah, of course.
joe rogan
I thought New York City was different.
I was more nervous than when he came to see me the second time in Boston.
I was more nervous to perform in New York.
I was going up at Catch a Rising Star, which doesn't exist anymore.
tom papa
Just legends?
Forget it.
Yeah, that's a big thing.
Because you don't know it yet.
joe rogan
Yeah, well, it was like the New York comics were always like the smart ones.
That was the thought process, the insecure thought process in Boston.
Like, the audiences are smarter.
They're not going to buy your bullshit.
They're smarter over there.
They're going to know you're not funny.
tom papa
They're going to know.
They're going to know.
joe rogan
And what's really funny is, like, Sussman, we were talking about, like, clean comedy versus dirty comedy.
And there was no real decision, like, you know, because back then people would, like, decide to be clean.
It wasn't like you're a clean comic because that's how you think.
It's like, well, if you want to get more work, the smart move is to go clean.
tom papa
As a business decision.
joe rogan
As a business decision.
You should dress nice and act clean.
He took me to this place called...
We went to a bunch of places.
We did Eat Side Comedy Club, which is this cool comedy club that used to be in Long Island.
And then he took me to this place called Fast Eddie's in Huntington.
And it was a local bar that had a comedy night.
tom papa
Wow.
joe rogan
We went upstairs, and the crowd was so fucking rowdy and so drunk, and there was a dude on stage, his name was George Gallo, hilarious dude, who was doing a reverse shit with a banana.
tom papa
As you're waiting to go on.
joe rogan
So he had a banana that he was like, he was somehow or another slurping it like it was a reverse shit.
And he's doing this in front of, you know, these people are hammered.
It's like a Wednesday night or some shit, right?
And Suston says, he grabs me by the arm, you don't have to perform here.
We're gonna get out of here.
And I said, no fucking way.
I go, listen, man.
These are my people.
I go, just trust me.
Let me go up.
tom papa
My people.
joe rogan
I'm like, this is what I do, man.
All the gigs that I got in Boston were all bar gigs.
tom papa
Yeah, of course.
I don't know how to handle this.
Yeah, you get hard.
You get tough.
joe rogan
Yeah, well, also, plus, once you've done a bunch of them, it's like chaos.
It's fun.
tom papa
You know what to do.
joe rogan
You know what to do.
tom papa
Yeah, for sure.
joe rogan
It's a different kind of comedy.
It's like combat comedy.
tom papa
Yeah, which it was...
At that time, you ran into that more than you didn't run into that.
joe rogan
Even today, if you get road gigs, if you're an up-and-coming guy or gal, especially if you're a gal, girls get it way harder in the early days.
My friend's girlfriend admitted the other day that when she sees a female comedian at a comedy club, she cringes.
tom papa
Still?
joe rogan
To this day.
She goes, I get super uncomfortable when they start going on stage.
And if they're funny, it's a huge relief.
unidentified
Oh my god.
joe rogan
Isn't that crazy?
And as a feminist, I hate saying that.
unidentified
It's terrible.
joe rogan
She goes, I consider myself a feminist.
I hate saying that.
tom papa
I feel like it's gotten beyond that.
I feel like there's so many...
joe rogan
Oh, yeah.
tom papa
Such strong...
joe rogan
At the top of the chain, but if you're in some weird club in the middle of nowhere and some...
tom papa
Yeah, I get the...
I get that for you.
I get, like, especially if you're a feminist and you're around, you just don't want her to bomb because then you think, well, all the rest of the audience is going to think that's what all women are.
unidentified
There's that, too.
joe rogan
Yeah, there's that, too.
And there's that she just doesn't think they're funny very often.
She's not a comic, so she's just being honest about it.
And we were laughing.
Because when a girl says that, you're like, oh no.
tom papa
But back then, it was...
Every time, even in good clubs like the Comic Strip or Caroline's, it was just like...
It was war.
joe rogan
War.
tom papa
It was war.
joe rogan
But nothing compared to...
Did you ever get any of those Bob Gonzo gigs in New Jersey?
tom papa
Oh, yeah.
unidentified
Chaos.
tom papa
Oh, God, yeah.
It was like a frat party that just threw you up.
unidentified
It never ended.
tom papa
They didn't want comedy.
joe rogan
Those road gigs though, they turn you, they season you in a different way.
They season you for like, the comedy store was similar to that for a long time.
Because the comedy store in the early days had no crowd control.
None.
I mean literally zero.
tom papa
So the crowd was in control.
joe rogan
Sometimes.
No one ever shut anybody up.
But the new regime, it's handled so much differently.
tom papa
It's a new concept.
joe rogan
It's so much better.
tom papa
But it did make you, Bulletproof.
joe rogan
Yeah, you knew how to handle drunks.
tom papa
You came through that time.
Maybe it still exists when you're going through, but if you do that many gigs...
That's why I really don't believe in just going to your one little alt room over and over again where you know you're coddled and supported.
I really believe that you have to go into all these hellish situations.
So you just...
Anywhere you go, you know you can go and kill.
That's an important part to being a comedian.
joe rogan
Yeah, and you also, as you become a successful comedian, you can fall into the trap of only performing in front of your audience.
tom papa
Right.
joe rogan
You really do have to drop in on other people's shows.
tom papa
Yeah, right.
People don't know who you are and why.
Yeah.
joe rogan
That's what's great about the store lineup, too, right?
There's 15 comedians.
tom papa
Right.
joe rogan
And they're probably not there to see you.
unidentified
No.
joe rogan
They're probably not there to see this guy or that guy or all.
tom papa
Yeah.
No, it's great.
joe rogan
Yeah.
tom papa
You know, you have to be able to survive.
Because you see people that come out of those other environments and then they get thrown into this and they don't know how to act.
joe rogan
Yeah.
I think comedy is like a lot of other things that are difficult.
There's things that you can do to get better at those.
unidentified
Yeah.
joe rogan
You know, like they say that...
Like, if you learn languages, you could get better at chess.
I read something about that.
Does that make sense?
Did I make that up?
tom papa
It sounds about right.
joe rogan
Google that.
tom papa
I would buy that.
joe rogan
If you learn a new language, it'll make you better at chess.
I might have made that up.
tom papa
Just the way your brain is...
joe rogan
I might have been high, lying in bed, trying to think of all the different cross-training methods.
tom papa
How could it be better at chess?
Do you play chess?
joe rogan
No, but I want to.
But I'm scared.
tom papa
It's fun.
joe rogan
I'm scared.
tom papa
Why?
joe rogan
You saw me play Quake earlier?
I have addiction problems.
I have crazy addiction problems.
tom papa
Chess is addicting.
joe rogan
Tom Papa walked in and Jeff and I were going to war.
tom papa
Holy cow.
joe rogan
We were going at it.
tom papa
That was the most intense thing I've ever seen you do.
joe rogan
Is it intense?
tom papa
It's intense.
Both of you on the keyboard and the thing, sweating your ass off in front of these monitors.
You were taking like deep, deep breaths in the middle of it.
These guys are just firing off at each other.
It was intense.
joe rogan
You've got to try to stay calm.
We're in this very small map, so I always know where he is.
He always knows where I am.
And there's a limited amount of ammunition and armor.
And when you get jacked and you come back less strong with a weaker weapon, you gotta run to get a good weapon quick.
And then you gotta run to get where the fucking armor is.
And he knows where that shit is.
So it's a crazy duel.
Like, oftentimes, if he kills me, he'll kill me two or three times in a row.
tom papa
It was so much faster than I thought it was gonna be.
joe rogan
Oh, yeah.
tom papa
I mean, real intense.
Is it always that?
Like, you're just in one courtyard?
One stone courtyard running around?
unidentified
No, no, no.
joe rogan
There's many, many maps.
tom papa
You can just go...
joe rogan
Yeah, that's a good one for one-on-one.
tom papa
Oh, okay.
joe rogan
We have these one-on-one matches.
Those are the most fun.
Because there's no other variables, right?
The variables of like, if there's like 10 people in the room and everybody's just shooting everybody, which is a lot of these maps, I'll show you that too.
That's more chaos.
Oftentimes you get killed when you're fighting a guy and then someone comes from behind and you don't even see him and they shoot you.
It's annoying.
tom papa
So how addicting is this for you?
joe rogan
Oh, real.
It's a real problem.
tom papa
Because you used to do it, right?
joe rogan
Yeah, yeah.
I'm way better at it now.
I'll do it for an hour and then I'll stop.
tom papa
And then you'll be good.
In the old days?
joe rogan
It's very tough.
But everything's addictive to me, man.
unidentified
Everything.
tom papa
I know.
joe rogan
All of it.
Anything I like.
tom papa
I know.
joe rogan
Anything I like, it becomes addictive.
tom papa
That's why your shoulder's messed up.
unidentified
Exactly.
joe rogan
That's from jujitsu.
But it's not...
The shoulder was more of a maintenance thing.
It wasn't that bad.
It was just getting a little sore, and I wanted to get looked at, and there was some tendinitis in there.
tom papa
Right.
joe rogan
So I'm real proactive at 51. I have to be real proactive about injuries and when things feel squirrely.
tom papa
Yeah, it's the problem.
You can get hurt and then you can't work out anymore.
joe rogan
I like it too much.
But even if it's not something as intense as jujitsu...
I just need to do something, whether it's yoga or running.
This is like me, no workout, me, workout.
I like me when I work out so much more.
I like me better.
tom papa
It happened to me in San Francisco the day after the banya.
I just woke up.
I had good shows Friday, but I just woke up in a shitty mood.
And I knew if I could just get my shoes on and go for a run, My whole day is going to be different.
And it's just a half hour, just going out, doing a comeback, and I was totally in the same room, just feeling completely different.
joe rogan
Isn't that crazy?
tom papa
It's just a mental shift.
joe rogan
You're flooding your brain with all the beautiful thoughts and ideas that happen in there while you're running, while you're breathing.
You've got all these fucking ideas that come to your brain.
You get interested.
You're breathing, and you're running.
You're concentrating.
You're going, slow down a little bit here.
Slow down a little bit here.
Then you're like, fuck yeah, we're out here doing it.
I'm out here running.
unidentified
Woo!
joe rogan
You get excited.
tom papa
Yeah, it's a big deal.
And who knows what chemicals are firing off in your brain.
joe rogan
Oh, yeah, man.
Dude, it's my dog and me, because we run together, are like inseparable.
tom papa
Really?
joe rogan
Dude, it's crazy.
It's hilarious.
He follows me everywhere.
Like, when I sit down, he sits right next to me.
tom papa
He follows me.
joe rogan
I've never had a relationship with a dog like this.
I've never had dogs that I loved that were great, but this dog stuck to me like glue.
tom papa
It's hilarious.
It's so great.
joe rogan
Part of it is because we run so much.
He gets so thrilled.
He's so happy.
When we run, he turns and he'll run ahead of me.
And then he'll come back to me to check up on me.
And then he comes back and runs with this big smile on his face.
Like, I can't believe we're out here!
And then he goes and runs again.
tom papa
How far are you running with him?
joe rogan
A couple miles.
tom papa
That's good.
joe rogan
In the hills.
Just pretty steep hills.
tom papa
Oh, that's good.
That's a workout.
joe rogan
Yeah.
If I have a short time, I can do...
There's one real steep trail that I run.
There's one steep trail that we have to drive to a little bit, but it's super steep.
tom papa
Oh, yeah.
joe rogan
It's way out near, like, Agora.
That one's rough.
tom papa
Yeah.
joe rogan
That's a rough one.
tom papa
That's gotta be tough.
joe rogan
Yeah, because it's real long.
It's like, the whole thing is the hills.
Because the hills are no pounding.
unidentified
Right.
joe rogan
If you can get a good hill under you, it's way harder.
tom papa
Yeah.
joe rogan
I base it on 140 beats a minute.
Anytime I get below 140 beats a minute, I start running again.
But I'll do these sprints.
I'll go as far as I can.
I get into the 180s.
And then when I'm like, fuck, I gotta take a break.
I'll just take a break and I'll look at my heartbeat, get my heartbeat down somewhere in the 140s, anywhere around 145, then I'm ready to go again.
tom papa
Right.
joe rogan
And then I'll go again.
tom papa
I'm usually like 160s running.
joe rogan
Dude, it's rough.
Hills are rough.
tom papa
Hills are really rough.
joe rogan
They're a different thing.
But it's changed my kicking power.
tom papa
Oh, yeah?
joe rogan
It's actually gave me more kicking power.
Yeah.
tom papa
Yeah.
joe rogan
I can kick.
Believe it or not, it's probably like...
I want to see like 10%, 5% or 10% more power.
tom papa
From the runs?
joe rogan
Yeah, my hips are bigger.
unidentified
Wow.
joe rogan
It's like I have these muscles around my butt, like the hip area.
tom papa
Right.
joe rogan
You know like where your belt is, like right below where your belt is?
tom papa
Yeah.
joe rogan
I never had a muscle there.
tom papa
Right.
joe rogan
I'm like, what is that?
This is crazy.
tom papa
It's just bones.
joe rogan
This is all from hills.
This is all from running hills.
unidentified
Wow.
joe rogan
So when I stomp, like if I stomp the back, like a front kick to the bag, that...
That forward thrust is the same thing you're doing all the time when you're running.
unidentified
You're running.
joe rogan
You're pushing off one leg and you're pushing off the other leg because you're going up a hill.
So when you're kicking, you're pushing off that leg and thrusting that other leg forward.
It's crazy.
tom papa
Is your dog good on the hills?
Does your dog ever get tired?
joe rogan
Yeah, he gets tired.
You know when they get tired?
They get tired when you throw the ball.
Then it's a sprint.
It's a sprint and then you bring it back.
It's a sprint and bring it back.
It's like seven times like, yo bro, I'm coming to lie down over here.
You're like, no, no, no.
Come on, man!
Give me that ball!
Come on, man!
tom papa
My sister has to put down her dog tonight.
16-year-old dog.
A big, almost like a spaniel kind of thing.
joe rogan
Wow.
tom papa
16 years.
And she's just been hanging on.
She's just been the greatest.
And tonight, 7.30.
unidentified
Wow.
tom papa
Just has to go.
There's no joy left.
She just can't go anymore.
It's going to be rough.
I've talked to her on my way in, and it's just like, what a brutal thing to have to do.
joe rogan
Yeah, it's so brutal.
tom papa
16 years!
joe rogan
Yeah.
My dog got hit by a car when I was like 14. Oh.
14 or 15 right in front of me.
I was taking her across the street.
And we had a busy street near our house.
And some car came down the street really fast.
And she got off the leash and ran right into this.
Hit her in a Volkswagen.
Yeah, it was rough, dude.
unidentified
I brought her up.
joe rogan
I carried her up to the house.
tom papa
Did she die instantly?
joe rogan
Yeah, she died in like...
She died within like 15-20 minutes.
tom papa
That's so brutal.
joe rogan
It was rough.
She started shitting all over the place.
tom papa
How old was she?
joe rogan
She wasn't that old.
unidentified
Maybe 5 or 6. It's brutal.
tom papa
There's nothing worse.
It's so painful.
joe rogan
Sweet dog, too.
unidentified
Yeah.
joe rogan
It was a bummer.
She just loved being in the park, and we were headed to the park, and she just got a little too excited and ran.
You know, I didn't see the car coming.
I didn't get a hold of her collar in time.
tom papa
That's brutal.
joe rogan
It was so bad.
It was so bad.
She got knocked flying.
I didn't even know if she was going to die.
You couldn't tell.
All the injuries were internal.
I brought her upstairs.
She started shitting herself.
She started shitting all over the place.
It was very unusual for her.
She was house trained.
I was really scared.
tom papa
Have you had to go through any pet deaths with your kids yet?
joe rogan
Yeah.
My two dogs.
I just had to put both of my dogs down.
Oh, for real?
Yeah.
They were...
unidentified
13. It was a Mastiff when he was 13. Wow, that's great, Ron, for a Mastiff.
joe rogan
At the end, I used to have to carry him into the house.
tom papa
Yeah.
joe rogan
He couldn't walk anymore.
He would walk, like, literally, he would be like, he would walk a step, walk a step, and then just stay, and his legs would be shaking, walk a step, walk a step.
unidentified
Oh, that's so sad.
tom papa
How did the kids handle it?
joe rogan
They were really sad.
unidentified
Yeah.
joe rogan
It's hard, man.
tom papa
Isn't that the hardest thing when you watch your kids have to deal with it?
It makes it so much harder.
joe rogan
Yeah.
tom papa
They're trying to be brave.
joe rogan
I think there's a lesson in it.
tom papa
Oh, for real?
joe rogan
I think it's not a good experience, but I think it's good for them to experience.
tom papa
Oh, yeah.
joe rogan
Yeah.
tom papa
Absolutely.
unidentified
Especially that.
tom papa
They have to go through it.
joe rogan
You know, like pet death.
And just...
Having those little relationships with animals, you know, when you're a kid, it's like, you're a dog, you can always talk to them, and you can say crazy shit to your dog.
You know, your dog can be sitting in your room with you, and you go, you know what, it's just you and me.
You're the only one who understands me.
tom papa
Your parents are acting like assholes.
No one likes you in the house, but your dog still does.
joe rogan
I know my parents are a piece of shit, but you're not.
unidentified
You're the best.
tom papa
Everyone yells at me, get over here.
joe rogan
You're going to come with me.
tom papa
Let's go.
joe rogan
When I move out, I'm taking the dog, Mom.
tom papa
Oh, it's the best.
But watching your kids, like, trying to be brave, trying not to cry, that is such a heartbreaker.
unidentified
Just trying to be like, I'm okay.
Oh, it's just the worst.
Yeah.
tom papa
It's gonna kill me.
Hey, do you notice by your house, we have mosquitoes now.
joe rogan
Really?
unidentified
Yeah.
tom papa
We have like legit...
We never had mosquitoes out here.
There's like real mosquitoes.
And they bite you only from like your knee down.
Everybody around where I live is saying the same thing.
We've never had mosquitoes.
joe rogan
If you just wear pants, then your problem is solved.
tom papa
I only wear pants.
joe rogan
So how are they biting you?
tom papa
Well, I take my shoes off once in a while.
joe rogan
Don't do that.
You're right, though.
I have noticed mosquitoes.
I noticed some last night.
tom papa
We never had them in Southern California before.
I don't know where they're coming from.
joe rogan
Well, we definitely had them.
We just didn't have many of them.
And this is how I know we had them.
I moved into a house once in Encino, and no one had lived there for, like, at least a year, I think.
And the pool had not been tended to.
So the pool was filled with mosquito larva.
Ooh.
unidentified
And...
joe rogan
I mean, it's like fish.
Like schools of fish.
tom papa
Oh my god.
joe rogan
Swimming around there.
And I was freaking out.
I was like, what is that?
Are these fish?
And I hired this guy, Kevin the pool guy.
And Kevin the pool guy came over and he was like, bro, those are mosquito larvae.
tom papa
Oh my god.
joe rogan
No way.
tom papa
Maybe that's where they all came from.
It's a new thing.
I mean, we used to have our doors open, our windows open, no screens, no problem.
But now all of a sudden, just this last year.
joe rogan
Yeah, we're so sad.
You have to live like the rest of the world now.
tom papa
Why do I live here if I have to put screens on my windows?
joe rogan
Do you think that'll last?
Will it change?
tom papa
I don't know.
Have you heard about this?
joe rogan
Do you see that shit that I posted yesterday about that yellow mustard plant?
tom papa
Yeah.
joe rogan
It's called black mustard.
tom papa
It looks so beautiful.
I was like, oh, that's nice.
And it was the most ominous posting, though.
joe rogan
Well, it's very strange, man, because this shit didn't exist before.
Like, on the same hills where I'm seeing it dominate the hill, it literally didn't exist a year ago.
tom papa
And now it's just like an invasive plant.
joe rogan
Yeah, it's a crazy plant.
jamie vernon
I just looked up mosquitoes in Los Angeles and it's an article from the end of last year, but it says, have you experienced an unusual number of mosquitoes bites this summer, mostly below the knee and especially around your ankles?
tom papa
How about that?
jamie vernon
It's called an Aedes bug.
tom papa
An Aedes bug?
joe rogan
You have Aedes.
jamie vernon
A-E-D-E-S, and it's a real problem, right?
Wow.
tom papa
Yeah, it's a problem.
joe rogan
It's a real problem.
tom papa
What, do I live in Maine?
joe rogan
He just read it.
A-E-D-E-S, and it's a real problem.
tom papa
Oh, that's funny.
joe rogan
They're spreading like wildfire, says Susan Klu, Director of Scientific and Technical Research Services for the Greater Los Angeles County Vector Control District.
Sounds like Suzanne needs money for her fucking business.
That's what it sounds like to me, bro.
tom papa
Our phones are exploding.
joe rogan
This is fake news.
Kidding.
Los Angeles is home to two particularly troubling types of invasive Aedes mosquitoes.
Oh, man.
tom papa
Look at that.
joe rogan
The Asian tiger mosquito arrived first, having hitched a ride with shipments of lucky bamboo from China.
tom papa
You and your bamboo barbells.
joe rogan
I don't think it's like a polymer.
China in 2001. Vector control specialist monitored plant nurseries across the county.
And soon stopped finding the mosquitoes in their traps.
They thought the insects had been eradicated.
However, in 2011, residents in El Monte began to complain about unusually aggressive, daytime-biting mosquitoes plaguing the neighborhood.
tom papa
Yes, in the daytime.
joe rogan
Mosquitoes.
tom papa
This is happening.
They've been infiltrated.
joe rogan
What do you think would happen if people started seeing malaria in America?
tom papa
Why hasn't that happened?
joe rogan
Good question.
I'm sure Dr. Peter Hotez could have explained that to us, right?
When he was talking about infectious diseases from...
Malaria is...
tom papa
Malaria is...
jamie vernon
I know when I was still living in Ohio, West Nile virus would pop up a lot with mosquitoes.
Not like every day or anything like that, but I know they'd have to spray certain neighborhoods all the time.
Like, stay in, keep your kids in, keep your pets in, we're spraying your neighborhood.
tom papa
Yeah, man.
West Nile...
I didn't sign up for this.
joe rogan
How about signing up for spraying?
That's scarier than the West Nile, because the spray's gonna get to everybody.
tom papa
They used to spray when I was a kid in New Jersey.
They would spray for the gypsy moths.
joe rogan
Jesus.
tom papa
They wouldn't even tell us.
They were just like, look at that plane!
And shit would be coming out of its ass end.
joe rogan
Think of the difference between the way a butterfly gets treated and a moth.
tom papa
Yeah.
Well, moths deserve it.
unidentified
Dirty.
joe rogan
Isn't it funny?
tom papa
Butterflies are beautiful.
joe rogan
They're a little chalky and they have a plain color.
tom papa
They've got like that fur on their head.
joe rogan
They're basically the same thing.
They're the same thing.
tom papa
No, they're gray or white.
joe rogan
Yeah, but it's only the way they look.
tom papa
Yeah, the butterfly's beautiful.
joe rogan
But isn't that crazy?
tom papa
Orange and black.
joe rogan
Like, we love them.
tom papa
Love them.
joe rogan
You find a spider, you stomp it.
tom papa
You would never go to a zoo and go into the moth house.
joe rogan
If you kill a ladybug, you're an asshole.
tom papa
Oh, completely.
joe rogan
You're the type of person who kills ladybugs?
unidentified
Yeah.
joe rogan
But if you don't kill roach, I can't hang out with you.
If you let a roach run across your kitchen floor, you're like, Sat Nam, roach.
Sat Nam, namaste.
I save all...
Kill that fucking thing!
You got a roach in your kitchen, lady.
unidentified
Right?
tom papa
Yeah, absolutely.
But a ladybug has a couple dots on it.
joe rogan
Why are we racist with bugs?
tom papa
Because there's such a thing as beauty.
joe rogan
Okay, that's why squirrels get a pass and rats don't.
tom papa
Yes.
Bushy tail.
joe rogan
Yeah, looking cute.
tom papa
A little style like a fringe jacket.
joe rogan
Imagine if the tail was just because they found out if the tails grew bushy, people would stop killing them.
tom papa
Yeah.
I mean, what's more disgusting than just a skin tail with nothing on it?
joe rogan
Possum.
Possum's tail.
Possums don't even cause any problems.
tom papa
They're disgusting.
joe rogan
Possum tail, you're like, ew, you little fucking...
tom papa
Get the bat!
joe rogan
Little hands.
unidentified
Get the bat!
joe rogan
Little hands and your little reptile tail.
Creepy little fuck.
tom papa
Little beady eyes.
Yeah.
Disgusting.
joe rogan
Yeah, but we have certain animals that we like, like raccoons.
Look, we don't like raccoons when they're eating out of your garbage, but if someone had a pet raccoon, you would think that's the dopest thing ever.
We secretly want relationships with raccoons.
tom papa
If they would only be nicer to us, we would embrace raccoons.
joe rogan
Raccoons don't want to have shit to do with us.
tom papa
They don't.
I don't get it.
joe rogan
They're smart.
We're too smart for us.
tom papa
We're nice to them.
joe rogan
I feel like these people are assholes.
Just wait until they go to sleep and eat their trash.
tom papa
We'll just eat their garbage.
joe rogan
It's safer to eat their garbage.
Yeah, they put lids on it.
That shit doesn't work.
tom papa
They've got that cool black mask.
joe rogan
Yeah, you lift the lid, you throw it aside, you pull the bag out.
They have hands.
tom papa
I know.
They have people hands.
joe rogan
They do have the little tiny people hands.
tom papa
I know.
They can grab stuff, smoke cigarettes, hang out, text.
joe rogan
They also kill chickens.
tom papa
Well, so do we.
joe rogan
Do you know who's a real predator?
Skunks.
Skunks are predators.
tom papa
There's a skunk living in the back of my yard.
unidentified
Oh!
tom papa
Sprayed my dog.
joe rogan
Oh no.
It's still there?
tom papa
I think so.
joe rogan
Come on, bro.
Man up.
tom papa
What am I gonna do?
joe rogan
Take out the skunk.
Hazmat suit.
BB gun.
Time to go to war.
tom papa
I gotta go crawl into the thing and find him?
joe rogan
Crawl into the thing?
Look at this fucking hand!
Look at that raccoon's hand!
That shit's crazy.
tom papa
It's like he's flaunting.
He's like, yeah, look at that.
joe rogan
His hand is so much smaller than his face.
It's crazy.
Imagine if your hand was that small and relationship to the size of your head.
He's adorable, though, isn't he?
tom papa
He is.
joe rogan
He's a cute little fellow.
tom papa
He's like, look, you think I'm staying out of your garbage?
No way.
Look what I'm working with.
joe rogan
Do they have opposable thumbs?
tom papa
Look what I'm working with.
joe rogan
Didn't quite seem like...
tom papa
No, it looks like five fingers with no thumb.
joe rogan
Right.
That's the thing they never figured out.
Look at his teeth.
tom papa
They never figured it out.
Like, they had meetings.
unidentified
They're jazz hands.
tom papa
Dudes, we just need a thumb.
joe rogan
Let me see the teeth there.
Look at when he's got his mouth open.
Look at that.
Whoa, that would hurt.
tom papa
That would really hurt.
joe rogan
That would fucking suck.
tom papa
Look, one of them's chipped.
joe rogan
Yeah, from biting you in the head.
Do you think if a raccoon attacked you, you could fight it off?
tom papa
No.
Well, you could stomp it.
joe rogan
What would you do?
Would you give up?
tom papa
It might cut your neck.
joe rogan
When would you decide we're going to the death?
tom papa
Immediately.
joe rogan
Immediately?
tom papa
Yeah.
joe rogan
You wouldn't try to talk the raccoon out of this?
unidentified
No.
tom papa
Fuck off!
As soon as he makes a move, I'm ready.
unidentified
No!
tom papa
Because I've been thinking about it since childhood.
joe rogan
Oh, look at that one.
I don't want that one biting my nose.
He looks like a hyena.
Fucked a raccoon and made that thing.
tom papa
I've been thinking these things are coming after us my whole life, so if he makes a move, it's on.
joe rogan
Bro, those teeth are goddamn terrifying.
unidentified
Yeah.
joe rogan
Look at those teeth.
tom papa
No, and they're sneaky.
joe rogan
That's a big thing, too.
tom papa
And they're filled with rabies.
joe rogan
Filled.
tom papa
Yeah, to the top.
joe rogan
Like their balls are heavy with rabies.
tom papa
It's just oozing out of them.
joe rogan
Like two water balloons.
Raccoons' strong sense is touch.
Ooh, I touch you.
When hunting, raccoons rely on their hands more than their eyes.
tom papa
I'm going to touch you now.
joe rogan
Studies suggest that their sensitivity to touch increases when their hands are wet, which might be why they always wash their food.
Wow.
unidentified
I just washed my hands and now I am going to touch you when you sleep.
I'm going to touch you and your children while you are sleeping with my five-finger hands.
joe rogan
Like, if a rat was as big as a raccoon and tried to kill you, you'd be fucking terrified.
tom papa
No, we'd be spraying.
joe rogan
Oh.
tom papa
If there were rat-sized things just going through L.A. But why?
Do you think we'll spray for these mosquitoes?
I think it's time to call our congressman.
joe rogan
Well, I think that everyone's afraid of chemtrails, and if you start spraying, circling greater Los Angeles, dropping poison down.
That's the rat with the pizza?
I've seen that.
tom papa
Oh, yeah, the pizza rat.
joe rogan
He's famous.
tom papa
Rats are disgusting, too.
joe rogan
Yeah, they're pretty gross.
Have you ever seen that Netflix documentary?
tom papa
On rats?
joe rogan
Yeah.
tom papa
No.
Oh no, really?
joe rogan
Dude.
Oh, dude.
tom papa
Really?
joe rogan
Yeah.
You need to watch it.
Because it's educational.
It's not just gross, and it's really gross.
But when you realize how many of them there really are in major cities, the biomass of them, it's stunning.
unidentified
Really?
joe rogan
New York's all rat.
It's just rats.
It's more or somewhere in the neighborhood of as many rats as there are people.
tom papa
Really?
joe rogan
And there's 8 million people.
tom papa
And there's how many more?
joe rogan
As much or more.
tom papa
Jeez.
joe rogan
I don't think they know.
tom papa
I mean, you see them non-stop walking around.
joe rogan
They're just guessing.
Obviously, most of them are subterranean, most of them are living in houses, and most of them, I mean, they burrow their way into tiny little holes.
tom papa
How long does a rat live?
joe rogan
That's a good question.
tom papa
How long does a rat live?
Because they're born, there's a lot of them, but do they stick around for like 20 years?
joe rogan
Dude, the documentary showed how they send young rats to try out poison.
unidentified
Oh!
tom papa
Really?
joe rogan
Yeah, the old rats sit back.
tom papa
Suicide rats?
joe rogan
They send them out there because they don't know any better.
They let them die.
They're just assholes.
tom papa
Wow.
joe rogan
Yeah.
tom papa
Here's a little tip.
If they're ever doing construction in New York in front of a restaurant, you don't eat it.
You don't eat on that street.
joe rogan
Why?
tom papa
Because they're digging it up, whatever their little ecosystem is, and they're just...
Oh, no.
So if they're digging up the street, they're dying somewhere else.
joe rogan
I would imagine in New York it must be so hard to keep them out of a restaurant.
tom papa
Oh, it's gotta be so hard.
joe rogan
Like, I guess maybe leave some in the dumpster for them.
Like, give an offering to the monsters.
tom papa
Just a head.
joe rogan
Yeah, like when they used to tie the girl onto the steaks for Kong.
So he'd leave everybody else alone.
tom papa
On a little shish kebab stick.
It's like your last job when you're closing down the restaurant.
You pull the gate down.
joe rogan
The rats are our friends.
tom papa
Put the skulls out.
joe rogan
Well, what is interesting, what are those?
jamie vernon
Various sizes of them.
They mostly go up to about two pounds.
It says in New York City, he doesn't think there's any that are three because they'd be too big to be able to move around.
tom papa
Right.
jamie vernon
It's like a physiological limit to their size.
tom papa
Does it say how long they live?
jamie vernon
Average about two years, one to two years in the wild, up to four if you have it as a pet.
tom papa
Oh, wow.
unidentified
That's it?
tom papa
My wife used to have pets.
joe rogan
Hamsters are like that.
tom papa
My wife had rats for pets when she was a kid.
joe rogan
Was she goth?
tom papa
No.
She was just a Jersey kid, just loved animals, and she would just ride her bike around and this rat would just be like on her shoulders.
joe rogan
Oh, Jesus Christ.
tom papa
Weird rat lady.
joe rogan
Weird.
tom papa
Yeah, it's weird.
joe rogan
But I get it if it's your pet.
tom papa
But she said they were super smart and super affectionate.
joe rogan
Yeah.
If you had it its whole life and you raise it right, yeah, why not?
tom papa
Yeah, it's not dirty.
It's not like going through the sewers and eating poo and climbing on your head.
joe rogan
Right.
But it would if you just let it go.
tom papa
Maybe.
joe rogan
100%.
tom papa
She like had it out with her.
joe rogan
Go rat-like.
If you just let it loose in the wild.
How long would it take for a domesticated rat to adapt to living in like a New York City sewer?
tom papa
40 seconds.
joe rogan
What do you think they would do?
That would be a crazy fucking Disney movie.
tom papa
Hey, look at you from the suburbs.
What, have you been living in a house?
joe rogan
Yeah, with like, you know those multicolored rats?
They have like all these cute little different colors on them.
tom papa
Oh, you're so clean with your pink hair.
joe rogan
Oh, you got different colors.
unidentified
Look at you.
tom papa
Hey, Joe, get a load of this one.
joe rogan
He's not even gray.
Hey, how come you ain't gray?
Look at you.
You're white and you're brown.
You're like a fucking dog over there.
tom papa
You think you're better than us, don't you?
unidentified
Yeah.
Yeah, get over here.
joe rogan
I guess you don't know how to get into the restaurant, do you?
You're looking hungry.
tom papa
What, do you got money on you?
unidentified
You give us some money, we'll show you where you get all the good food.
joe rogan
Yeah.
tom papa
You ever been to Little Italy?
unidentified
Wait till I show you.
joe rogan
What a shit roll of dives.
Getting born a rat.
tom papa
Being born a rat.
joe rogan
The worst.
tom papa
Terrible.
joe rogan
Nobody likes you.
tom papa
No one likes you, but you do survive pretty well.
joe rogan
You'd be better off being a javelina.
tom papa
What's a javelina?
joe rogan
It's a peccary.
tom papa
What's a peccary?
joe rogan
It's like a cousin to a pig.
tom papa
What's a pig?
joe rogan
You ever seen a javelina?
unidentified
No.
joe rogan
Doug lives in Bisbee, Arizona, Stanhope.
By the way, I think it's sold out, but he's taping his next special in Vegas next month.
tom papa
Oh, nice.
joe rogan
Yeah.
tom papa
In Vegas, that's cool.
joe rogan
Where he lives in Bisbee, that's a javelina.
He lives really close to the border.
I think he's only six miles from the border or some crazy shit.
And these things live in the wild, out in the desert.
unidentified
Right.
joe rogan
They're fucking...
They're aggressive.
tom papa
Ew.
joe rogan
And they fucked up his neighbor's dog.
They killed his neighbor's dog.
tom papa
No.
joe rogan
Yeah, man.
The dog was out, and the javelinas will flank it.
They'll get on both sides of it.
tom papa
They hunt in a pack?
joe rogan
Yeah, they hunt in a pack.
And they will attack a small dog.
tom papa
Ew.
That thing's disgusting.
joe rogan
Yeah, they're gross, dude.
tom papa
That's like a giant rat.
It looks like a giant rat.
joe rogan
Well...
It does.
It looks like a pig fucked a rat.
Oh, somebody shot it in the face of a crossbow.
People hunt them all the time.
tom papa
It looks like a pig fucked a rat.
joe rogan
You see that guy shot one?
It does look like a pig fucked a rat, right?
tom papa
It does, yeah.
joe rogan
Click on the guy who shot one.
Yeah, bow and arrow.
A lot of guys hunt them with archery equipment.
tom papa
See, wouldn't it be better if he was dressed in like a coat with a tie in those boots?
joe rogan
No, because you don't want that thing to see you.
unidentified
Look at that.
tom papa
That's a rat face.
joe rogan
Bro, that is such a rat face.
Please go back to that picture.
unidentified
That last picture.
tom papa
On a giant body.
joe rogan
Scroll back to that last one and make it bigger again.
tom papa
Yeah.
joe rogan
Bro, that guy's hunting rats.
tom papa
Ew, look at its teeth.
joe rogan
That's like a slightly different looking rat.
tom papa
Ew!
joe rogan
Oh, you want to know what's really crazy?
tom papa
That's a giant rat.
That's a hundred pound rat.
joe rogan
Yeah.
tom papa
Without a tail.
joe rogan
That's so gross.
And you know what's really crazy is those animals, they're the best animal to a call.
Now what a call is, is like you'd make a sound of a wounded animal.
No, you make like...
Like something that's suffering.
Like people take their hand.
These fuckers run in.
They run in.
tom papa
Really?
joe rogan
Yes, they're so aggressive.
It's crazy to watch.
tom papa
Because they think something's hurt and I can go eat it?
joe rogan
But they have to act quick because there's coyotes out there and mountain lions out there.
So when something's hurting...
And they hear, like, fuck food!
And they just run towards it.
So when you're bow hunting, you almost have to have one person make the call, and you're at full draw, and then they start calling, and the things come running in, and you shoot at them.
Yeah, it's crazy.
tom papa
Because you couldn't do it, you couldn't get to the bow.
joe rogan
You wouldn't get to the bow on the time, because they'd see you, and they'd go, fuck, it's a guy!
And it would turn off the other way again.
Yeah.
tom papa
Are these like invasive?
Are they all over his property?
joe rogan
No, they're natural.
tom papa
No, but I mean, are they not invasive?
But I mean, is there a lot of them?
joe rogan
Yes.
tom papa
There's like a ton around where he lives.
joe rogan
They exist.
Yeah.
I mean, they exist in the desert.
I mean, they exist in healthy enough populations that people hunt for them.
tom papa
Wow.
joe rogan
And they eat them.
They say they taste good.
tom papa
Ew.
joe rogan
Yeah.
tom papa
I wouldn't eat that.
joe rogan
But you eat a pig.
tom papa
Yeah, but they're cuter.
joe rogan
Wild boar?
tom papa
Yeah.
joe rogan
With crazy tusks?
tom papa
Yeah, those are gross, too.
joe rogan
Those are pretty gross, too.
tom papa
Now, my pigs...
joe rogan
Look at those.
tom papa
The ones I eat have bow ties.
joe rogan
They're climbing around this guy's garage.
tom papa
And little tap shoes.
Sometimes a hat.
joe rogan
Look at this shit.
They're staring him down, bro.
They're staring him down.
They're in his garage.
tom papa
There's a whole bunch of them.
joe rogan
What in the fuck is that?
tom papa
Right on your kid's toy.
joe rogan
Look at his...
It's all...
It's hairs up.
unidentified
Ew.
joe rogan
In a threatening way.
Look at that.
tom papa
It's just gonna take a dump in your driveway.
joe rogan
Dude.
You do not want that in your life.
tom papa
I don't wanna live there.
joe rogan
There's fucking 20 of them in this guy's driveway.
tom papa
See?
joe rogan
Look at that one there in the back.
Roll that back again.
How many were there?
There was like 12. What is the name of that video for people who want to watch it?
jamie vernon
Wild javelinas make a visit to Arizona home.
tom papa
Wild javelinas!
joe rogan
Yeah, no, no, no.
I know you can't show it.
Those fucking things are everywhere.
There's a lot of them.
tom papa
Look at that.
joe rogan
Look at how many of them there are.
jamie vernon
At least.
joe rogan
At least eight.
And then there's the one that was on top of the...
There's nine.
And then there's the one that was on top of the truck.
And then there's the one that you can see through the fence.
Yeah.
And there's probably more out there, too.
tom papa
Ew!
Ew, it's going in the car.
It's going in the kid's little car.
joe rogan
Jesus Christ.
tom papa
Ew, it's in the passenger seat of the car.
Ew!
joe rogan
Gross fucking creatures.
tom papa
I feel like Wild Javelina is like a Dean Martin song.
joe rogan
You think so?
tom papa
Look at all of them over there.
Look at all of them.
unidentified
Wild Javelina.
joe rogan
Fuck, man.
They're weird looking, too.
They look like they're demons.
tom papa
I don't like them at all.
joe rogan
They got little beady eyes like they're up to no good.
tom papa
But...
joe rogan
If you were a little kid...
tom papa
You're thinking like, oh, I wouldn't live there because that's there, but if you live in New York, at night, who knows what's climbing all around your building.
joe rogan
Right.
Could be.
Eagles and shit, right?
Is that what you're talking about?
No.
Hey, Google Javelina...
tom papa
I had a rat get into my house in...
joe rogan
Google Javelina eats baby.
Let's see if that's ever happened.
unidentified
Like a human baby?
joe rogan
Yeah, a human baby.
Let's see if that happened.
What do you think?
tom papa
If a javelina ate a human?
joe rogan
Yeah.
Like, you see those fucking things?
tom papa
Yeah.
joe rogan
20 in that guy's driveway?
tom papa
Oh, they've definitely eaten babies.
joe rogan
I'm exaggerating.
tom papa
It wasn't 20. Someone's eating a baby right now.
Probably 13. It was probably 12. A baker's dozen.
joe rogan
A baker's dozen.
tom papa
Of javelinas.
Yeah, they would eat a baby.
A toddler?
joe rogan
Yeah.
tom papa
Knock it down?
joe rogan
Yeah.
I mean, if they eat a dog.
tom papa
Yeah.
joe rogan
You think they're scared of people?
They obviously weren't scared of that dude.
tom papa
No.
joe rogan
That's a full-blown person.
tom papa
And a baby doesn't have fur, doesn't have anything.
joe rogan
I know, I put his hair up.
Spikes up to let you know it's threatened.
tom papa
Did I ever tell you the story of when I pulled a rat out of my pool vacuum?
unidentified
Ew.
joe rogan
Was it alive?
tom papa
No.
joe rogan
Did it stink?
tom papa
It stunk.
I'm like, why isn't the vacuum working?
And I dove in and I pulled it up.
And there was a half a rat, its ass sticking out the vacuum.
And as soon as I got it above the water, flies just...
unidentified
And I had to pull it out without it breaking.
joe rogan
Where the fuck are the flies before the shit?
tom papa
Good question.
joe rogan
Where the fuck are they?
tom papa
All over.
joe rogan
They're not that many.
Like, if you're around, like, a person's backyard, how often do you see flies?
Every now and then, there's one.
It's kind of annoying.
But if you just pulled your pants down and shat on the ground, there would be flies on that within a matter of moments.
tom papa
Oh, you mean right after I swam?
joe rogan
Yeah.
Right after I swam, just shat right on their lawn.
tom papa
You mean your after-swim shit?
Yeah.
joe rogan
Yeah.
tom papa
And then all of a sudden, they show up.
It's crazy.
joe rogan
And it happens so fast.
tom papa
So gross.
joe rogan
It's like, all of a sudden, they're all over it.
tom papa
Yeah.
joe rogan
Like, where'd you guys come from?
tom papa
We should just stay inside.
unidentified
Ugh.
tom papa
Did you find a baby death from a javelina?
jamie vernon
A couple months ago, a couple people in Arizona were attacked.
And they had, like, a woman was bit while she was walking her dogs.
Another guy was bit while he was feeding them.
And he didn't feed it fast enough.
And it bit him.
That's about as much as I could find.
joe rogan
Well, the lady who got bit, that's the scary one.
Because the guy who fed him is an asshole.
tom papa
Yeah, right.
joe rogan
The scary one.
There was a lady who got bit by a coyote recently in Dallas.
tom papa
Oh, yeah?
joe rogan
No, no, no.
Yeah, it was around the Dallas area.
I think they think that there's this one coyote that's been biting people.
It's a rogue, unusual coyote that's been snapping at people.
tom papa
Oh, really?
joe rogan
Yeah, they had bite marks on their legs.
tom papa
Oh, my God.
joe rogan
Yeah, it's gross, man, because they will kill you.
tom papa
Ew.
joe rogan
They would kill you.
They're just small.
They're just not sure if it's worth the effort, and you're around people, and they're worried that, you know...
tom papa
One-on-one, could you fight off a coyote?
joe rogan
I don't know if you could, man.
I mean, I think you probably could if you had to, but they'll fuck you up, man.
tom papa
They just keep biting.
joe rogan
If there's a few of them, that's where the real problem comes.
tom papa
If they bite you in the right spot.
joe rogan
Yeah, man, they'll rip your tendons apart.
You won't be able to run away.
They know what they're doing, too.
They know what they're doing.
They try to take your legs out.
I mean, they know what they're doing.
They're not going to try to jump up and bite you in the neck.
They're going to try to take your hamstrings out.
tom papa
Right.
joe rogan
Yeah, they're trying to rip your legs apart so you can't run.
tom papa
Why are they so mean?
joe rogan
That's how they're alive.
You're not leaving any food out for them, are you?
tom papa
No.
joe rogan
They've got to do what they've got to do.
It's called domestication.
That's how we have dogs.
tom papa
Do you ever take your family camping?
joe rogan
I have not.
tom papa
Yeah, I haven't either.
joe rogan
I would, though.
tom papa
I wanted to take my kids to Yosemite because I love Yosemite.
joe rogan
Did you bring a piece?
Sidearm?
tom papa
Nothing.
unidentified
Nothing.
tom papa
Just went solo.
We weren't camping.
We were staying in an inn.
joe rogan
What about emergency food?
tom papa
No emergency food.
joe rogan
Satellite phone?
tom papa
Nothing.
joe rogan
Nothing?
tom papa
Just a phone.
joe rogan
First aid kit?
tom papa
Nothing.
A bag of Funyuns and an iPhone.
joe rogan
That's all you need.
tom papa
And I want to show them Yosemite because it's such a great part of my life.
I love it.
I've lived in the backcountry for like a week at a time.
I just love the whole thing.
And I'm telling them about it.
I'm building it up.
They're like, you know, begrudgingly going.
They're all vegetarians.
They just love nature.
They just love whatever.
So I'm like, you're going to love Yosemite.
As soon as we drove into the park, welcome to Yosemite.
I ran over a squirrel.
The horror inside the car.
Dad, you didn't even slow down.
What's wrong?
You're a monster.
I'm like, I can't.
It's two lanes.
There's a guy behind me, a guy in front.
I just would steamroll the squirrel.
They ruined the whole weekend.
Anytime I'd be like, look at this.
Look at this beautiful view.
You killed a squirrel.
You didn't even care.
That's the weird part, Dad.
You didn't even care.
joe rogan
Is that what they're saying?
tom papa
Yeah.
joe rogan
Was I supposed to cry?
tom papa
I was just laughing.
joe rogan
Cry like a bitch?
tom papa
Yeah, exactly.
joe rogan
But that's funny, because if you killed a deer, you'd be sadder, right?
tom papa
Yeah.
joe rogan
God damn it.
I can't believe that.
tom papa
I can't believe how beautiful she is.
She was so nice with her little eyes and the little tail.
joe rogan
But if you kill a peccary...
Yeah, if you're killing them javelinas.
Like that fucking rat thing.
It'll find its mom.
tom papa
That javelina would ruin your car.
joe rogan
That bitch, too.
Bite your teeth.
It'll probably use its teeth to tear your tires apart.
Then you'd be stuck in the side of the road trying to change the tire.
You'd turn around, there's a whole pack of them closing in on you.
tom papa
Would you not take your family because of all of this revenge?
Do you not want them in the woods with you?
joe rogan
What am I, a danger in the woods?
Would I become a werewolf?
What the fuck am I saying?
unidentified
You just gotta stay in the tent tonight, trust me!
joe rogan
I'll be right back.
tom papa
Not that you're the threat.
joe rogan
Run.
tom papa
That you'd have to protect them from all the threats.
joe rogan
Well, I mean, Yosemite doesn't have that many threats other than people.
tom papa
Bears?
joe rogan
They have black bears.
Mountain lions?
Mountain lions are an issue.
tom papa
There's always something out there.
joe rogan
Yeah.
Grizzly bears.
tom papa
Or you just don't feel like that's a...
Because you like going out into nature.
unidentified
I do.
joe rogan
I do like going into nature.
I also like being indoors.
Like sleeping in a place where it's awesome to sleep.
People wiser than me have figured out that that maneuver is called a bed with a roof and a locked door and a refrigerator, you fucking cave person.
Oh, I'm going to rough it.
I'm going to sleep on the ground.
You don't have to.
Did you know that?
You don't have to sleep in a house?
tom papa
Yeah, but when you go hunting and stuff, don't you sleep in the woods?
joe rogan
Sometimes.
Most of the time, no.
I'm going to have.
tom papa
Oh, you don't?
You go back and sleep?
joe rogan
Depends on what guys I go with.
tom papa
Right.
joe rogan
Like if I go with Steve Rinello, we almost always go camping.
Uh-huh.
Except for when we're at our friend Doug Duren's place, which is, he lives in Wisconsin, and he's got a giant farm where we hunt deer on, hunt deer on there.
And that place, he's got a cool little, like a deer hunting house.
tom papa
Oh, yeah?
joe rogan
That's near the...
Yeah.
tom papa
Like a cabin?
joe rogan
It's like a house.
It's like a house.
tom papa
Oh, nice.
joe rogan
It's a small house that everybody...
Like, sleeps in different spots there, yeah.
tom papa
Right, right.
joe rogan
That's great.
tom papa
Yeah, I'd like to take my kids camping.
There's something nice about sleeping in the woods and hearing nature.
joe rogan
Sure, something cool about it.
tom papa
Yeah.
joe rogan
You know what else is cool?
Not getting eaten.
tom papa
HBO. Yeah.
joe rogan
Take a shower in the morning.
That's nice.
tom papa
Yeah, you've got a point.
Coffee, that's the big thing.
joe rogan
Yeah.
Look, there's nothing better than a campfire.
tom papa
I know.
joe rogan
Hanging out, especially at the end of a long day of hiking.
unidentified
Yeah, the best.
joe rogan
And then you've got a campfire, and if you get one of those little grates over the campfire, you start cooking, cooking over the campfire.
tom papa
Oh, it's the best.
joe rogan
It's one of the best things in life.
tom papa
I know.
And I feel like my kids don't have that connection.
joe rogan
Do you worry about being with them in the woods?
tom papa
Yeah, a little bit.
joe rogan
If anybody gets hurt, it's hard to get out?
tom papa
Yeah, and just that, you know...
It's like if you and I went, we're both responsible for it.
We'd help each other out, but you got your act together.
What?
joe rogan
I'm going to leave you alone.
tom papa
I'm sorry, what?
joe rogan
I'm going to leave you alone.
tom papa
Say that again?
joe rogan
Yeah, I just, I can't.
tom papa
I cannot.
joe rogan
Imagine if two guys are planning a camping trip, like, hey, we're going to look out for each other.
I'm going to leave you behind.
I'm going to tell you right now.
I'm willing to go camping with you, but I'm not.
I can't handle any adversity.
I will fall apart.
Just don't.
tom papa
Where are you going?
joe rogan
And we're not going in too far.
I will walk one mile.
When the alarm goes off, we're going to go one mile.
unidentified
We can't.
tom papa
Dude, seriously?
You're not going to help me out?
joe rogan
No.
I'll call somebody when I get home.
He's back there a mile.
Something like a mile.
tom papa
Just swallow the blood.
joe rogan
He's got a backpack full of Slim Jims.
He'll be alright.
tom papa
It'll be good.
He's got enough food on him.
joe rogan
Well, I left him one liter of my piss.
He can drink that.
tom papa
Just on his leg where I peed.
What a horrible camping companion.
joe rogan
I've got good news and bad news.
The bad news is I don't have any water.
The good news is I have to pee.
So, what do you want to do?
tom papa
Open your mouth.
joe rogan
You want to die?
You want me to fill up your Nalgene bottle?
tom papa
Awful.
No, but if you go with your kids and you're like, you're responsible for everybody and everything.
That's pretty, yeah.
Maybe just a hike.
joe rogan
Well, there's nothing wrong with camping with your kids.
It's a good idea.
If you really are going to go camping, you definitely should bring first aid and definitely bring a satellite phone.
tom papa
And you can camp in places that you're not backcountry a mile in.
You could just pull up, walk 200 feet.
joe rogan
Or get yourself a fucking Airstream, son.
Pull that bitch behind a truck.
Park.
Turn the generator on.
Satellite TV. Yeehaw!
tom papa
That would be fun.
You can rent those things.
You can rent those and just get Fox News in the middle of the forest.
joe rogan
Tucker Carlson's right!
Yelling out the window to deer.
tom papa
Making friends.
I think I would like to load them up in an RV kind of situation.
Go see the Grand Canyon.
Go through Utah.
joe rogan
Vacation.
unidentified
Yeah.
joe rogan
Like Chevy Chase.
unidentified
Yeah, yeah.
tom papa
I think that could be fun.
joe rogan
Two more people just died in the Grand Canyon.
tom papa
What?
joe rogan
Fell.
Yeah.
tom papa
Really?
unidentified
Yeah.
tom papa
Why?
They're not doing the railings?
joe rogan
I don't know.
I don't know what happened.
I just read two more people just fell to their death in the Grand Canyon.
tom papa
Really?
joe rogan
Let's see if you find out what's going on.
tom papa
That was one of the first hikes I did with my father.
We're doing the switchbacks.
joe rogan
What'd you say, Jim?
jamie vernon
I don't know if there's a reason why.
One guy just got too close and slipped.
joe rogan
I need to know.
tom papa
Slipped off the edge.
joe rogan
Stopped falling.
tom papa
If I had Google Glass, I'd have known already.
joe rogan
Yeah, if I had that memory link wire thing that Jamie's worried about.
Jamie's going to be the first one to get it, and then he's going to organize to make sure that no one else gets it.
jamie vernon
My thought on that, too, is who is going to be the first one to get it, and how do they decide that?
joe rogan
Well, for sure, like...
tom papa
Money.
joe rogan
Marcus Brownlee and Lou from Unbox Therapy, they'll get it first, and they'll put it on, and then they'll start running the world because they'll have it early.
jamie vernon
And they go, ah, no one else gets this.
unidentified
They'll try.
joe rogan
But Mark Zuckerberg probably already has it.
tom papa
You don't want to know what I'm doing.
joe rogan
He's probably using it right now.
tom papa
Yeah.
joe rogan
Trying to fend his case.
Yeah, it's coming.
Something's coming.
tom papa
Yeah, man.
joe rogan
What's it going to be?
Who knows?
What's it going to be?
Something's coming, and something's going to be more invasive than what we're experiencing now.
That's all you can be sure of.
You're going to figure out how to get more and more data.
Sam Harris has a really interesting podcast that's out.
It's either the one that's going on maybe two weeks ago, and it was all about...
I should probably find it.
It was all about...
tom papa
Privacy?
joe rogan
Privacy and what's the difference between the way different tech companies approach privacy.
It actually makes you respect how Apple does it.
tom papa
Oh, yeah?
joe rogan
Yeah.
I mean, apparently, they do it much more, I guess the word would be, they're more ethical about it.
They're trying not to give away any, the trouble with Facebook is what it's called.
tom papa
I was reading a thing yesterday that, you know, you put those doorbell things on, you know, like Ring, you know, that records people coming up to you.
And they said, you know, you think it's cool for you and your family, but the UPS guy, all these delivery people are getting their picture taken and sent to a database every day.
Like these people are being monitored all the time.
So while it's good for you, it's not that great for these other people that visit you.
joe rogan
This guy's name is Roger McNamee.
It's The Trouble of Facebook.
It's episode 152. It's very interesting because what it goes into is about how tech companies figured out how to tap into a resource that no one thought of.
And that resource is your data.
And how much is that worth?
Well, it turns out it's worth fucking untold billions.
unidentified
Right.
joe rogan
It's one of the most valuable things, because you can direct market to people, you can find out what people are into and what they're not into.
You get a lot of people that you can get a hold of.
And we kind of gave our consent to this without understanding it.
And they got in through a loophole, and this is how...
They're able to make ungodly amounts of money.
tom papa
Just because we wanted to have that cool feature, so you just say, yeah, take it from me.
joe rogan
I mean, think about the amount of money something like Facebook brings in versus what it is.
Like, what is it?
What are you doing?
What are you doing that's making all that money?
tom papa
Right.
joe rogan
They're providing people with data.
tom papa
Yeah.
joe rogan
And they're also getting people to – it's like an ongoing psychological experiment In what makes people engage.
Like, what makes people comment more.
It turns out it's anger.
tom papa
Oh, really?
joe rogan
Yeah.
It turns out that what makes people engage the most is things they disagree with.
When they start having fights.
So, they're having fights back and forth.
So, you get people to get really into these polarizing subjects.
And then, once they start looking for those subjects, then those subjects start showing up in their feeds.
So it's all sorts of things that they get angry about.
So then they start interacting with these things.
The more you interact, the more it shows up in your feed.
And all the while, they're profiting on enraging you.
tom papa
Oh my god.
joe rogan
I mean, this is essentially what they do.
Creepy Facebook patent uses image recognition to scan your personal photos for brands.
tom papa
Oh my god.
joe rogan
Whoa.
tom papa
Yeah, so they just take all your photos and look at the Dorito bags in the back?
joe rogan
Applying computer vision algorithms to user-uploaded multimedia objects to detect specific objects within the multimedia object and promoting the uploaded multimedia object from a user's news feed to a sponsored stories area.
That's what the patent was awarded for.
tom papa
Wow.
Jeez Louise.
joe rogan
Computer vision content detection for sponsored stories.
Wow.
That's crazy, man.
tom papa
Yeah.
You snap a selfie sipping a unicorn frap at Starbucks and then shares that selfie on Facebook or Instagram.
Facebook's newly patented technology can theoretically scan the photo, spot the Starbucks cup with the help of an image object recognition algorithm, and then sell that info to Starbucks.
Alerting the coffee giant of the fact that you like its product.
joe rogan
Well, they're already doing a version of that with your searches.
With the things you're looking at.
You know, when you go through their browser, they're already doing that.
tom papa
Well, they're doing it also with voice.
Your phone is listening to you all the time.
If you have Alexa in your home, it's listening.
My kids, we do it all the time.
Like, if you're talking about something and then all of a sudden you see, I was performing in Boise.
And so we were talking about Boise, Boise, Boise, and then everybody on their Instagram was getting an ad for vacationing in Boise.
joe rogan
See, that seems like...
tom papa
Just from us speaking it.
joe rogan
Yeah.
That seems like a really serious thing.
tom papa
It is!
joe rogan
It seems like a really serious thing that everybody's just like, oh, this is happening?
unidentified
Yeah.
joe rogan
I don't remember signing off on this.
tom papa
The technology's ahead of our anger.
Or our recognition of it.
Yeah.
joe rogan
We don't understand.
And so it's already happened by the time you're upset that it exists.
tom papa
Right.
Yeah, it's in full force right now.
joe rogan
Yeah, yeah.
tom papa
Yeah, it's really weird.
joe rogan
It's really weird.
It's really weird.
tom papa
And we're just talking about it.
This is just, we think it's your, just in your home, you're in a private place.
joe rogan
Yeah.
tom papa
But these phones, they're just, you know, we just all have them.
joe rogan
And again, this is something that didn't exist 10 years ago, 15 years ago.
These concerns didn't exist.
What will be the concerns 15 years from now?
Like, how much more invasive is it going to get before we even recognize that it's happening?
tom papa
Yeah.
joe rogan
Because this is something, the listening in on things, is something that people didn't think about before it happened.
tom papa
Right.
joe rogan
Now they know it does.
tom papa
Well, the face recognition thing is there's a lot of articles on that and how that we don't realize.
joe rogan
Well, the China thing totally makes sense, right?
Especially if so many people's phones use face recognition software.
Samsung phones have it.
My Galaxy Note 9 has it.
iPhones have it.
tom papa
And you're psyched about it.
You're just like, oh, that's cool.
I don't have to put in my password anymore.
joe rogan
Just look at it.
tom papa
Now I'm in my app.
joe rogan
They also have one that's an iris scanner on the Note.
The Note scans your irises.
tom papa
Oh, really?
unidentified
Yeah.
joe rogan
Bro.
It's quick, too.
Looks at your eyeballs like, yep, you're you.
unidentified
Jeez Louise.
joe rogan
How the fuck do you know, man?
What does that say, Jamie?
jamie vernon
Jamie.
I was trying to find this the first time you brought it up, but I know that there's these masks that exist that are, in quotes, like hyper-realistic masks that can be used to, I don't know if it's, this isn't used to help the facial recognition, but I think people are using them to trick it and do fake stuff, and like, you know, I don't know if you could commit a robbery with that on, and it's just like having a ski mask on now, they just can't see your face, but it'll think something.
joe rogan
Right, if you had a hoodie on.
jamie vernon
Yeah.
tom papa
What about a minority report?
Remember when they had to pull his eye, they were selling eyeballs on the black market for the eye scan to get into buildings and stuff?
joe rogan
All you would have to do with that is put like a bandana around your mouth, right?
tom papa
Yeah.
joe rogan
So no one could see your mouth moving.
Have that thing on.
jamie vernon
And sunglasses.
joe rogan
Yeah.
jamie vernon
But even my iPhone gets through my sunglasses, which I don't know how the fuck it does that, but it definitely does it.
joe rogan
But it's facial recognition.
But what I'm saying is with this, if you wanted to rob someone and have something, even the facial recognition software would legitimately think you were somebody else.
Hopefully.
jamie vernon
Hopefully, for when we're doing our crime.
tom papa
Yeah, when we're trying to rob someone.
joe rogan
Or hopefully not.
Are you guys criminals?
It's crazy.
It's kind of happened.
tom papa
But it's so fast, too.
I mean, you know, this is so new.
joe rogan
Also, the special effects technology that allows people to make faces.
Look how beautiful those things look.
They look so close to a person.
jamie vernon
You can buy these for $200.
joe rogan
You can buy one?
jamie vernon
We should do it.
Let's get one.
joe rogan
I'm going to get you.
unidentified
Cool.
joe rogan
I should buy you and then see if I can open up your phone.
tom papa
Yeah.
joe rogan
Bro, that would be crazy.
tom papa
That would be cool.
joe rogan
That would be crazy.
tom papa
See if it can open up your phone.
jamie vernon
It looks super creepy, but...
joe rogan
Oh, that's so weird.
Ew, he looks like a demon.
jamie vernon
Yeah, if they could add a little latex to it, it could be movable.
tom papa
Wow, that looks pretty real, though.
I mean, you know, a little creepy, but that looks pretty accurate.
joe rogan
That's crazy accurate.
tom papa
I wouldn't look twice walking down the street.
joe rogan
You wouldn't even think about it.
tom papa
No, you'd be like, that guy has a good shave.
joe rogan
It's a beautiful person.
His skin's so smooth.
tom papa
Yeah, he's like a baby's bottom.
joe rogan
So poly.
jamie vernon
What?
It was started off that'smyface.com and it's now been switched to whatever this is.
You're me.
Surveillance.
That's just creepy.
tom papa
Do you guys know, is there a problem with doing any of those 23andMe ancestry things?
joe rogan
You're going to have your DNA, bro.
The government.
The Illuminati is going to check your fucking spit.
tom papa
Do they?
Is it bad to do?
joe rogan
I don't know.
tom papa
Should they not do it?
What are they going to do with it?
Are they going to clone me?
joe rogan
Who cares, bro?
If they want your DNA, they can get it just by touching your clothes, getting a hold of your stuff.
They can get a hold of you.
They can find out all sorts of stuff from hair samples, behind hair.
If you drink a Starbucks and then they grab your cup, they can get a DNA sample off your cup.
Someone can get your DNA sample.
tom papa
Right, so it doesn't really matter.
So if I want to find out if I'm Greek or Italian.
joe rogan
I should find out.
tom papa
I should find out.
joe rogan
Yeah, it's pretty comprehensive.
tom papa
Have you done it?
joe rogan
Yeah, I've done it.
tom papa
Oh yeah?
joe rogan
Yeah, it's interesting.
It gives you a lot of other weird stuff too, like that you might have certain genes for certain proclivities, even including lactose intolerance, propensity to alcohol.
tom papa
Really?
joe rogan
Alcoholism.
unidentified
Yeah.
joe rogan
Super athletes have certain muscle genes.
You should find out if you have those genes.
Like power athletes.
Like almost an extraordinary number of ones that are successful in certain sports.
tom papa
Oh really?
joe rogan
Yeah.
A type of gene.
tom papa
Yeah.
And it gives you all this or you have to specify that?
joe rogan
It gives that.
Yeah.
It's a really detailed report.
unidentified
Oh wow.
joe rogan
Yeah.
It's really detailed and covers all sorts of different categories.
tom papa
Yeah.
Interesting.
joe rogan
It's cool too and you find out like weird stuff, you know.
What part of Europe your parents were from.
Maybe you have some Asian in you you didn't know you had.
It's really cool.
tom papa
That's cool.
joe rogan
It's cool.
It makes you really think, to get here, in 2019, what had to happen with all the people in the past, and if you keep going back, I have a little bit of Asian in me.
I think it was like 1% or something like that, but I'm thinking, where'd that come from?
Where was that?
tom papa
Is that why you like jiu-jitsu?
joe rogan
I don't think so.
I think a lot of people just like jiu-jitsu, bro.
tom papa
Is that why you like sushi?
joe rogan
I don't think it's that Asia.
I think I'm from a different Asia, but I don't know.
I think, you know, if you could really...
tom papa
So somebody, though, went through Asia, hooked up with somebody.
joe rogan
Yeah, for sure.
But what I'm saying is, I think that if you look at what technology was available, like 200 years ago for finding Ancestry, people didn't even know if that was their kid 50 years ago.
tom papa
Right, exactly.
joe rogan
50 years ago, you had to guess, you know?
tom papa
Yeah.
joe rogan
I mean, maybe they had paternity tests 50 years ago, did they?
tom papa
Like, just trying to find your roots, like, back in Italy, you just have to go find, like, Town Hall and see if there's a book with your great-grandfather's name in it.
joe rogan
Yeah, but I mean, you didn't even know if your dad was really your dad, if your mom was a hoe.
tom papa
Well, I knew that.
I knew that.
Around sixth grade, I figured that out.
joe rogan
But if you wanted to know a hundred years ago, if you were the father of someone's child, you had to look at the kid and go, the kid looks like me.
tom papa
Yeah.
joe rogan
Or convince yourself that the kid looks like you.
tom papa
Right.
joe rogan
Or convince yourself the kid just got your wife's features, but it's still your kid.
unidentified
Yeah.
joe rogan
Right?
But now you can actually get DNA tests done.
tom papa
And be like, ooh.
joe rogan
You know what the coldest, hardest shit is?
When you find out that it's not your kid, but you still have to pay child support.
Because you've been paying child support.
tom papa
And you still have to?
If the DNA confirms that he's not?
Yep.
joe rogan
It's in different states.
There's different rules.
tom papa
Wow.
joe rogan
But I believe that's how it is in California.
And I believe that's how it is in several other states.
tom papa
Oof.
joe rogan
Where if it turns out the young lady had strayed.
tom papa
Oh, no.
joe rogan
And caught some side dick.
tom papa
Ew.
joe rogan
Hey.
tom papa
Hey!
unidentified
Hey!
Woo!
joe rogan
Gotta go!
tom papa
And you gotta keep paying.
joe rogan
Yeah.
tom papa
Oof.
joe rogan
Yeah.
tom papa
That's not good.
joe rogan
You have to keep paying.
Even if you do a DNA test and you find out the child's not yours, I think once you have started paying, unless you might have to go to court and duke it out, but I don't think your payment obligation stops just because it's not your kid.
tom papa
Oh, and what a weird shift, too.
If, like, you think it's this kid and you're supporting him, then to be switching your head like, no, I'm not going to help him anymore.
jamie vernon
They didn't have testing, really, until the 80s.
unidentified
Whoa.
jamie vernon
Yeah.
tom papa
Until the 80s.
unidentified
Whoa.
tom papa
It's a whole new world.
joe rogan
Whole new world.
tom papa
Eek.
jamie vernon
The OJ trial was one of the first ones.
People didn't really even believe it, remember?
That's kind of how he got off.
unidentified
Oh, you're right.
joe rogan
That's right.
tom papa
And they started to see us saying that they didn't know how to handle the samples.
joe rogan
Well, there was some funkiness with that, too.
tom papa
Stepping all over it.
jamie vernon
They didn't believe the one-in-a-trillion kind of numbers they were passing out.
joe rogan
Well, I think overzealous, aggressive people Like, police and detectives.
I think that's common.
I think that's as common as...
Did you see that fucking video?
Trying to make it happen.
The Tesla sentient mode.
Did you see that shit?
tom papa
No.
joe rogan
You know, Tesla has a sentry mode and it caught some politician back in his Escalade into a Model 3 scuffing it up, getting out, looking at it, trying to rub it out, and then taking off.
And they called him up because they could see his face in the video and they knew who it was because this guy had been like a kind of prominent We're good to go.
tom papa
That's funny.
joe rogan
Yeah.
Bonk.
tom papa
Right into the Tesla.
jamie vernon
This is the side camera that's always recording.
joe rogan
Yeah.
He just backed his stupid car into it.
That guy just doesn't know how to drive.
He might have been drunk.
tom papa
Yeah.
joe rogan
Yeah, look at him.
He gets down, looks at it.
Alright, we don't have to...
tom papa
Well, he tried to fix it.
joe rogan
He's in deep shit.
tom papa
He tried to fix it.
joe rogan
The fuck he did.
He denied it when they called him.
tom papa
Oh, they did?
joe rogan
Yeah, and apparently that guy had already been to jail for something else.
unidentified
Yeah.
tom papa
You're dirty.
joe rogan
Yeah, he, uh...
tom papa
That's not good.
joe rogan
He might be.
That's hard, man.
I bumped into someone's car once and I left a note with my phone number and my address.
tom papa
Nice.
joe rogan
Not my address, my phone number and my name.
And they called me up and they just so happened to be very good friends with someone who I was friends with.
tom papa
Nice.
joe rogan
And then he calls me up and he tells me, dude, you hit my friend's car.
And he tells me, that's them.
I go tell them to call me, man.
tom papa
That's cool.
joe rogan
Yeah.
tom papa
It was noble.
joe rogan
Well, it wasn't bad, but it was something.
tom papa
Yeah.
joe rogan
You know, it was like it was a little scuff on the bumper.
tom papa
Right.
joe rogan
But I was like, oh, thank God I left a message.
unidentified
Yeah.
joe rogan
I felt like such a piece of shit.
unidentified
Yeah, exactly.
joe rogan
I was hanging out with my friend and he was like, man, some fucking asshole hit my friend's car and took off.
You believe that shit?
I'm like, no.
Crazy.
Bro, that's bullshit.
tom papa
And now cameras have everybody doing everything.
So you'll always get busted.
joe rogan
Yeah.
When do you think it's going to be where...
You have a Tesla.
You know what those things do.
When do you think it's going to be where no one's driving?
How many more years?
tom papa
Well, where a lot of people aren't driving.
joe rogan
20. Yeah, I would say 20 to 30. You remember when Priuses were a joke?
tom papa
Yeah.
joe rogan
Someone had a Prius, like, get that fucking stupid thing away from me.
tom papa
Yeah.
joe rogan
Or even the early Tesla, the Roadster.
Like, do you know that Top Gear, you know that British show Top Gear?
tom papa
Yeah.
joe rogan
Here's what's crazy I found out.
They did an episode where they pretended that the Tesla Roadster died on them.
unidentified
Yeah.
joe rogan
was that they wanted it to die.
tom papa
That's gross.
joe rogan
Apparently, the way the show is made, it's like a comedy show, and it's scripted, so they can get away with doing something like that.
So Elon Musk sued them, and I think he lost.
Believe it or not.
unidentified
Jeez.
tom papa
Because they don't claim to be...
joe rogan
Exactly.
They don't claim to be factual, and they don't claim to not have narratives that they create.
tom papa
That's so gross.
joe rogan
Pull that up, just to make sure that I'm not...
tom papa
That's gross.
joe rogan
It's pretty gross.
tom papa
It's amazing how many shots that they take.
joe rogan
Elon Musk called Top Gear completely phony, and his company sued for libel and malicious falsehoods.
A judge dismissed the suit in October, saying no viewer of the program could have reasonably compared the Roadster's performance on the track to a real-world performance on the street.
tom papa
That seems fuzzy.
joe rogan
I don't know what that means.
tom papa
Yeah.
joe rogan
Okay, what is...
tom papa
2012, that was.
joe rogan
What is the case...
He said...
What Elon Musk said was that they faked it.
And they claim the power...
Tesla...
Okay, let's see what it says so we can figure out.
I think...
I'm pretty sure that's the story.
After Tesla dropped the car off, Elon Musk claimed that one of his employees was along for the delivery notice that a script for the episode, inside there was a segment about the Tesla breaking down.
But that was only the tip of the iceberg.
Top Gear claimed that the Tesla Roadster ran out of power while driving after just 55 miles, much less than the 200 miles quoted by Tesla, albeit it was being driven hard, a claim that Musk said was untrue.
According to him, the Roadster's logs showed that the car had never dipped below 20% charge during the entirety of the filming.
The clip followed with the Roadster's motor overheating, which wasn't addressed by Musk, and finally a brake failure, which Musk claims was instead a blown fuse and not an equipment failure.
Battery-powered electric cars will soon die altogether, former Top Gear host James May said.
tom papa
Ah, ha, ha, ha, ha.
Interesting.
Isn't it amazing?
joe rogan
It sounds like there was some horseshit for sure, but it does sound like there was a real brake problem.
And the brake problem was a blown fuse, which there's nothing you can do about that.
tom papa
But just that, it's such a strange thing.
joe rogan
Yeah.
tom papa
You just have to attack electric cars.
joe rogan
Well, I think them making a script, if they had a script that said that Tesla was going to break down, they thought it would be funny.
tom papa
It's a comedy bit.
joe rogan
It's a comedy show.
Jeremy Clarkson was fucking hilarious.
He's really funny.
tom papa
Yeah, but there is definitely people that are...
Yeah, you believe a lot of the stuff that they say and the performance of the car.
I always thought it was funny, but I also saw them as experts.
joe rogan
Well, they kind of are.
I mean, they know a lot of shit.
They know a lot of shit about cars, for sure.
Jeremy Clarkson knows a lot about cars.
The problem is people go to them.
For advice and lap times and all that shit.
And if you're saying a car is breaking down, you engineered that into a script.
tom papa
It's pretty dirty.
joe rogan
That is dirty.
tom papa
Well, that's how Sean Hannity gets away with saying that he's not a news program.
joe rogan
Does he get away with that?
unidentified
Yeah.
joe rogan
So he's like WWE of news?
tom papa
Yeah.
He says it's entertainment.
unidentified
Really?
He says that?
tom papa
Yeah.
joe rogan
Oh, dude, that's hilarious.
tom papa
That's why you have a little out.
We're not a news program.
We don't claim to be.
He says that?
Yeah.
Well, a lot of people are coming into you thinking it's news.
joe rogan
But isn't he a commentary program?
Isn't that what they say?
It's not that he's news.
tom papa
He says it's entertainment.
joe rogan
Oh.
tom papa
Yeah.
joe rogan
Do you find it entertaining?
tom papa
No.
joe rogan
No?
You should sue.
tom papa
I should sue.
unidentified
You should sue.
tom papa
Oh, I could do that.
joe rogan
He says it's entertaining.
He's a liar.
tom papa
It's not that entertaining.
joe rogan
I didn't find it entertaining.
Sue!
unidentified
Sue!
tom papa
I'm going to sue them and the Game of Thrones people.
joe rogan
I hate dragons!
unidentified
Sue!
tom papa
Those aren't real dragons.
joe rogan
Those dragons are dope as fuck.
Did you watch last night?
tom papa
I didn't.
joe rogan
I did.
tom papa
Was it good?
joe rogan
Spoiler alert, it was awesome.
It was awesome just to see everything.
tom papa
I just want to see it.
joe rogan
I just was happy to see a new episode.
I'm going to be so sad when that show gets cancelled.
I'm such a dork.
tom papa
You've watched it all the way up?
jamie vernon
I'm talking about doing the prequel or the beginning of it.
joe rogan
That would be cool.
jamie vernon
But they haven't.
joe rogan
Hey man, whoever the fucking people are that are doing it, just keep doing things.
Whoever those people that are writing and producing it and putting it together, and keep hiring those actors to play different people.
I don't care.
tom papa
I lost my way after like maybe three seasons.
How many seasons has it been on?
Like five.
joe rogan
Shut the fuck up.
You lost your way.
Go back and start from scratch.
tom papa
I can't learn all the names of these places and the make-believe things and the whatevers.
How much do I have to know, Joe?
joe rogan
I know.
You know how to make bread.
Just keep making the delicious bread.
tom papa
I do.
joe rogan
And you're doing your part.
tom papa
Keep it simple.
Yeah.
A martini, a little bread.
joe rogan
A little run at the bar.
tom papa
Just live your life.
joe rogan
A little jog.
tom papa
How much?
Why do I have to?
joe rogan
What the fuck?
tom papa
Why do I have to control everything?
joe rogan
Too much.
tom papa
I would like to.
joe rogan
Enough.
tom papa
I'll catch back up with it.
joe rogan
Yeah.
tom papa
It's good, right?
People like it.
joe rogan
So you're going to let this whole season play by without you being caught up?
tom papa
I almost last night was just going to watch, just jump in.
Who cares if I lost?
joe rogan
Is there any show that you never...
Please tell me you gave up on The Walking Dead.
tom papa
Yes.
joe rogan
Thank you.
tom papa
Yeah.
I stopped that one.
joe rogan
Is there any show that you haven't given up on?
That you've been steadfast?
tom papa
That I... What do you mean?
joe rogan
That you binge?
That you still watch?
That you haven't quit?
tom papa
No, there's none that I'm currently watching.
I just watched Russian Doll.
joe rogan
What is that?
tom papa
That's on Netflix.
That was good.
joe rogan
Oh, that girl's like an assassin or something?
tom papa
No, she dies every episode.
It's like Groundhog Day.
unidentified
Really?
tom papa
Yeah, it was pretty good.
And I've seen all the big ones.
joe rogan
I don't know.
Ozark?
tom papa
Ozark, yeah.
One season of it.
joe rogan
You didn't watch season two?
tom papa
No.
Was I supposed to?
joe rogan
I don't know how you just shut it off.
You don't want to know what happened?
tom papa
I don't know.
I forget.
joe rogan
It's already three o'clock.
tom papa
It's three o'clock in the afternoon.
joe rogan
How did the time fly in this conversation?
tom papa
Did we start?
When did we start?
joe rogan
12.30.
tom papa
12.30.
joe rogan
Yeah, something like that.
Three o'clock.
Tell the fine people where you're at, my brother.
tom papa
I am going to Boston.
unidentified
Where are you slinging jokes, Tom?
tom papa
I'm going to Northampton.
joe rogan
What are you doing in Boston?
tom papa
City Winery.
joe rogan
Oh, what is that?
tom papa
It's this elegant winery place.
joe rogan
And they have stand-up there now?
tom papa
They have stand-up there.
unidentified
Wow.
tom papa
Mostly bands.
joe rogan
No shit.
tom papa
Yeah.
joe rogan
Okay.
tom papa
Doing a bunch of those kind of things.
joe rogan
And it's actually a winery?
A real winery?
tom papa
Yeah, they make their own wine.
joe rogan
Whoa.
tom papa
In Boston.
joe rogan
That's cool.
tom papa
Yeah, it's really cool.
joe rogan
My friend's honey-honey played at a winery once.
I was like, this is the coolest shit ever.
tom papa
Yeah, it's pretty cool.
I'm going to do Napa.
I'm going to do something up in Napa, another wine spot.
joe rogan
Yeah, that's where they were.
tom papa
Oh yeah?
joe rogan
They were up in Napa.
tom papa
There's a nice theater there that I've done.
joe rogan
Yeah.
tom papa
Yeah, that's a good spot.
joe rogan
That whole area is amazing, right?
The food there is all over the charts.
tom papa
It's amazing.
It's no joke.
unidentified
The food is incredible.
tom papa
I know.
That place, they've got it so dialed in.
The wine's amazing.
The nature is amazing.
joe rogan
Brian Callen, we're up there with those hunting guys.
We were filming a turkey hunting episode.
And Brian Callen and I, after we went turkey hunting, these guys went back to this Airbnb they rented.
And we were like, guys, they had like hamburger and shit like this.
I go, guys, these are the best restaurants.
In the world.
tom papa
In the world.
joe rogan
And they're right here.
Like, come on, let's go out, I'll pay.
They're like, no, we're gonna stay home, make cheeseburgers.
Like, okay.
Callan and I went out like gentlemen.
We got a fine bottle of wine.
unidentified
Nice.
joe rogan
Turkey hunting and clinking fine glasses.
tom papa
Come on!
joe rogan
And eating, you know, just delicious steak.
tom papa
Amazing.
joe rogan
Incredible food.
We had a wonderful time.
tom papa
Yeah.
There's certain people, they've figured it out over time.
They've got it dialed in.
Just do what they do.
joe rogan
Yeah, but it's good to appreciate it.
It's good to appreciate it.
tom papa
Oh, 100%.
It's good.
joe rogan
If you ate there every day, I think it would be...
tom papa
No, it's a treat.
joe rogan
Yeah.
tom papa
It's something, yeah, it means something.
And then you remember that dinner, you know?
It's not like just...
joe rogan
We were just mocking those guys the entire time.
Drinking wine, getting lit, talking shit, having fun.
tom papa
It's the best.
joe rogan
That's one of the coolest things about having a friend like Callan, who's just always funny.
unidentified
Yeah.
joe rogan
Everywhere you go, you're like, come on, buddy, you're my one-man comedy show.
And then next thing you know...
tom papa
He's holding a thing of wine.
joe rogan
Making some shit up.
unidentified
Pontificating.
tom papa
He's hilarious.
He really makes me laugh.
joe rogan
So, website, TomPapa.com?
tom papa
TomPapa.com.
joe rogan
TomPapa on the Instagram.
TomPapa on the Twitter.
tom papa
All of those things.
My book's going to paperback next month.
joe rogan
Louisa's.
tom papa
Yeah, it's very cool.
It's all good.
Always great to be here.
joe rogan
Always great to have you, brother.
tom papa
You're going to give me some elk on the way out?
joe rogan
Fuck yeah.
I got a freezer bag for you.
tom papa
I brought the old freezer bag.
unidentified
Did you?
joe rogan
Oh, beautiful.
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