Joe Rogan and Brian Redban dive into Quake 4’s eye-straining speed, linking it to competitive gaming like Fortnite, while critiquing Twitter’s inconsistent bans—like Alex Jones’ Sandy Hook denial vs. Kathy Griffin’s allowed provocations—and questioning deadnaming restrictions. They contrast VR’s potential (e.g., UFC’s octagon POV) with social media’s ethical blind spots, like meme pages profiting from stolen content, and debate whether platforms should curate or censor. Rogan praises SpaceX’s tech—from the 1.9-second Tesla to the futuristic stainless-steel rocket—before slamming delayed EV announcements and Ford’s alleged delays. The episode underscores Rogan’s defense of free speech, even as he grapples with platform hypocrisy and accountability. [Automatically generated summary]
Right now we're just playing it on the local area network, but once you start going online and playing other people, that's when it gets super, super addictive.
I know there was Rocket Arena for Quake 2, and there was Rocket Arena for Quake 3, because I started with Rocket Arena for Quake 2, which if you played today, you would think the graphics are hilariously bad.
But it's a good game.
It's a little slower.
The fast game was like Quake 1 was really fast, Quake 2 was slower, and then Quake 3 became more like Quake 1, a combination of Quake 1 and Quake 2. It was pretty fast.
The normal mode, you played it just like normal, and then all of a sudden, two minutes to go, they took everybody's guns away, and you all just sort of congregated around the stage, and the music started, the show started, they started doing interactive things with all the avatars and everything, and ten minutes later, it just cut off.
But it turns out it was actually live.
He was tweeting about it all day for promotion and whatnot, but people were asking, like, how'd you do that?
How'd you work it out?
His voice was going live to everyone who was playing.
So I said, well, this is the thing that people seem to be upset about.
They seem to be upset about very specific cases.
Where people showed, like, if people were right-wing and they were posting things, they were banned, whereas people who are left-wing or maybe people of different races were allowed to post racist things or more offensive things and even dox people and didn't suffer any consequences for it.
This is the argument.
My problem is I don't spend enough time reading this stuff.
I don't know.
Like this is like when people get banned.
Like Anthony Cooney is a friend of mine.
I don't really know why he got banned.
I don't know what happened.
I know there was that incident with that woman that punched him and he wound up getting fired.
He was drunk and he said a bunch of really stupid shit on Twitter and then later apologized for it.
But I don't know if that's what got him kicked off of Twitter.
But he's my friend.
So what I'm saying is all these other guys that have problems...
I don't know what the fuck happened, man.
I'm busy.
I really don't.
I don't know.
I don't even know what got Alex Jones kicked off, which is why I asked him because that was one of the last platforms for Alex Jones was Twitter, but something got him kicked off.
Their take on it was that they never kicked him off before because he didn't violate their terms of service.
And another thing that's very encouraging that Jack said, and I know it's fun to get mad at things.
It's fun to get mad at him.
It's fun to get mad at me for it.
I get it.
I'd probably do the exact same thing.
I totally understand it.
But one of the things that he said was that he believes that the ability to communicate on the internet through Twitter or through these platforms is a basic human right.
That's how you look.
I said, do you think of it like a network, like NBC? Like if you're on NBC, they can decide what's on and what's not on.
Or do you look at it like a utility?
And he specifically said that he looked at it more like that, that he thought it was a basic right.
That's very encouraging.
He also said that he would bring on whoever it is in his team that's responsible for these things.
So we could hear from the actual person who decides who's getting banned and why they're getting banned and what's the decision-making behind all these things.
We can go over all of them.
I didn't think the podcast would create such a controversy, but that's probably poor prior planning on my part.
Because my thought about it was, hey, it's fucking crazy to be running Twitter.
It's crazy that this thing exists, that the president uses it as a platform.
I want to talk about the dude who created this.
And what is this like to have this thing evolve to become what it's become?
Because it didn't start out that way.
It started out like fun shit, like at Brian Redband's going to the movies.
You know what I mean?
Like that's what people used it for.
And then along the way, it became this global method of distributing information where people use it in war zones, man.
They use it to tell people where attacks are.
They use it for all kinds of crazy shit.
It's a really powerful but strange medium.
I didn't think about getting into the weeds with all the very specific people that got banned.
I just wanted to find out why they banned people.
That was my take on it.
I know there's a lot of conservative voices that have never been banned.
And it's also not that simple if people are allowed to say similar things that are very racist and vast generalizations about white people, which seems to have been the case in at least a few instances, where people reported that people said fucked up things about white people, but there was no repercussions.
And, you know, that's where the argument becomes these people are more oppressed, and so the white people are thought of as the oppressor.
So you have this white privilege thing that people like to use now as a reason to decide to silence someone, like check your white privilege.
That's an interesting thing that's happening.
So if there's this genuine movement where people think that it's okay to say things about one race, Whether you like it or not, that's racism.
And if you're allowing that from any one side and not allowing it from another side, it seems hypocritical.
Look, it's very distasteful.
The idea of racism against black people in this country is very distasteful to everybody, almost everybody who's not a racist, right?
Because of the history of this country, because of slavery, because of all these things, it's a different connotation.
But if you just allow people to say terrible things about any race, it's racism.
You're allowing a predetermined attitude about a race.
Some people have done this.
They have made generalizations, racist statements about white people.
The really weird thing that people are throwing around these days is that you can't be racist against white people because racism is about power and influence.
It's about using that black people are not powerful, that white people are powerful, and the white people are the ones who are oppressed, so it's impossible to be racist against them.
That sounds like horseshit to me.
I'm not buying that.
That doesn't make any sense.
It's not beneficial to anybody to generalize.
This is what we've got to get in our head.
It doesn't matter if you're black or if you're white or if you're whatever the fuck you are.
It is not beneficial to generalize, to take a person out of the group that we think of as just human.
Individuals.
You have to be an individual.
I mean, I acknowledge the fact that people look different, they have different heritages, they have different ancestry, there's different parts of the world, there's all these differences.
But at the end of the day, the only way we're all going to get true equality and true kinship and camaraderie as human beings is if we recognize we're just all a human being.
That's it.
There are very big differences in the way we look and the things we like.
That's cool.
But as soon as you can say shitty things about white people or white men...
That leaves everybody who doesn't fit that description guilty in this weird way or presumed guilty because of a racist statement.
That's all it is.
It's not good for anybody.
I get it that it's different than racism against black people in America, a country that was built essentially in a lot of ways by slavery.
There's a war for slavery in this country.
There's a crazy reality that it's not your responsibility.
It's not mine.
I didn't do it.
You didn't do it.
But it's real.
Therefore, as a person who's aware of history, the history of this country, racism against white people seems different.
But it still sucks to be racist against black people.
It seems different.
But it still sucks to be racist against white people.
It sucks to be racist against Puerto Ricans.
It's not good.
It's not good for anybody.
That's what we have to understand about this social media thing.
What actually did happen, and what is happening, and why is it happening?
And if it's just some social justice warrior ethic that you're not debating, it doesn't seem fair.
It seems like there should be a conversation about this.
And I bet they're super reasonable, really intelligent people, and it's possible they can come to a good place that we can all agree to.
That is possible.
I'm not a cynical person.
I'm sorry.
I know a lot of you are like, fuck them, they just want this, they just want that.
Guess what?
They already have it.
They have more money than they could ever spend.
And my dealings with Jack as a person, he seems like a very nice guy and a very smart guy and a very empathetic guy.
I just think he's in a crazy, unmanageable situation.
To be running something like Twitter, Yeah, and there's probably people that did something that they should have done in terms of silencing people and moving things around.
It's probably happened.
It's a weird thing when people have influence over people, and there have been videos that have been proven where executives from a bunch of different social media corporations have talked about how to silence certain voices, how to push down certain voices.
This is something that needs to be discussed.
Is this a policy as a whole?
Is it because you think you're pushing the right message?
As soon as someone thinks they're pushing the right message, but there's no debate about that.
They just decide our way is the right way.
And they're pushing this, and there's a radical opposition to that message from half the country.
But you're like, no, no, no.
But this is the one that's in control of the narrative.
This is the one that's in control of social media.
It's this far left-leaning ideology.
And the other part gets pushed aside.
That's a very bad situation for all of us.
Because there has to be conversation.
There has to be debate.
Because if there's not, it just shores up the differences between two people and they fucking hate each other even more.
I did not take that into account.
And I fucked up.
That's my mistake.
That is my mistake when I made that podcast.
But I didn't take it easy on them because I didn't want to discuss those issues.
I just didn't think enough of it in advance.
I'm not as involved in it as other people are.
I'm aware that there's censorship in social media.
I'm aware.
My ideas going into that conversation were more about how insane this method is for distributing information.
For the people that have been banned, and for the people that were fans of the people that were banned, I can understand why they'd be upset at me.
It has nothing to do with any preconceived notions that I had.
It's just how the conversation took place.
That's all it is.
And if you felt left down by that, you didn't feel like it was extensive enough, I'm more than willing to do it and go further into it, and we're going to, and Jack offered it, and he's going to bring someone else who's going to explain things to us.
I think this would be very beneficial for everybody.
I also think that there should be a road to redemption.
I think if you've got something that's important as Twitter or Facebook, Or Instagram.
If you're not stealing someone's stuff like, you know, using copyrighted music or something on an Instagram page where you get banned over and over again for doing it but you keep doing it.
If it's not something like that, if it's an ideological difference, if maybe you crossed a line that they decided was a line, you should be able to work your way back.
There should be a way where you can sign up again.
I mean, there's this guy that was on Sam Harris's podcast.
Christian Piccolini, I think is his name, he was a fucking white supremacist, a full-on white supremacist, and now he is the exact opposite.
He's like this very progressive guy who gives speeches on the dangers of racism and the ideology, how it caught up with him.
Now, if he got banned when he was a young man and making terrible decisions and then became a better person, shouldn't we give a guy like that a chance to get back in a platform?
Without making a whole new screen name.
Maybe it would be...
I don't think there's anything wrong with the anonymous model.
There's some things that are really good about it, right?
Like Jack even talked about this, that people can report news stuff and not worry about fear of retribution, that they can whistleblow and not worry about fear of retribution.
If someone's life is on the line, but they're trying to provide a service to the general public, or they're trying to give people information that might even save lives, but could put them at risk, especially in like third world countries or war torn countries, That could be a huge problem if you have to post, you know, Brian Redband.
If there's the only way you can get this information out, you have to use your whole name.
But it'd probably be better off for everybody if people had a way of communicating with each other like it's just person to person.
And I think The real problem is when people try to engineer these conversations, and this is another conversation about YouTube.
People have said that we're deleting comments on YouTube.
We're not deleting anything.
We haven't deleted any comments.
I don't know how it works.
I don't read them.
I'm sure people say mean things.
Have a good time.
The thumbs up, thumbs down thing.
Look, you don't have to have that on there.
You don't have to have comments on there.
YouTube gives you the option to have comments on and to have the thumbs up, thumbs down.
I'm not taking those off.
Have a good time with it.
But we're not fucking with that.
There's something that they're doing that's not, it's not, I post at 341 and Jamie posts at 342 and this is the line of the comments.
So that is probably what's happening to all you folks that think your comments are getting deleted.
No one's deleting shit.
Look, I'm not attached to what I do in the sense that I'm unwilling to look at what I do wrong.
I try to look at everything that I do wrong, including this.
So if you were upset at this podcast because you thought somehow or another I sold out because I didn't ask him any more questions, I just asked him the questions I wanted to ask.
I understand you have more questions.
And I do too.
I have more questions too.
Especially upon seeing people's reaction to it and upon making myself pay more attention to all these various stories.
Matt sent us a list of them.
Some of them are really fucking crazy.
There's some crazy things people have said and not gotten in trouble for.
Whereas other people said things that really weren't that bad and got in trouble for it.
Well, it's a very specific group of people that are upset.
It's right-wing guys.
There's a lot of American flags, a lot of Pepe the Frogs.
It's all right people.
Look, man, easily could have been me at many points of my life.
Easily.
Especially being a troll online.
You know, if you're working in some fucking job and you're making Pepe the Frog memes and you're fucking with people, I get it.
I get it.
It's one of the things I like about the internet.
Like, I don't...
I don't want to be comfortable.
I'm like, I don't want to be comfortable all the time.
I want a little bit of chaos.
I like the fact that just people, like, they're like that fucking, I was upset that that Radiolab podcast, they took it down, where they were fucking with Shia Labu, with those guys from 4chan, and the way they took it down was they contacted Radiolab and said, those guys are white supremacists and they support white supremacy, you know, and you just, you know, you made these people that are awful, terrible people that write terrible things, you gave them props.
But the thing about something like 4chan is, no, you might read some terrible things, but you gotta realize you're also reading terrible things from anonymous people that are working at their jobs most of the time, and they're trying to fuck with people's head, and they're trying to get people upset.
They're having a good time fucking with people.
If you want to take them as them giving a talk to a dear friend or them giving an affidavit in court, you're missing the whole thing.
It's entertainment.
Half of the whole reason why they're doing it is entertainment.
They didn't go steal Shia LaBeou's flag and go right to the camera and go, fuck Shia LaBeou, by using coordinates from photographs of the sky where they figured out where the fucking...
Where the constellations lie and then drove around honking their horn so that they could locate where it was by using the webcam and listening to how close they got to it.
I mean, it's fucking genius shit.
And it got taken down just by this accusation of them being racist.
But the thing about a forum like 4chan or Reddit or anything, you have so many fucking people!
You have thousands and thousands and thousands of people.
If you just have ten cunts posting jokes about black people, that's all you need to ruin the reputation of thousands of people.
So, for someone to say that everybody that was like, fuck Shia LaBeou, is some racist and white supremacist, that's a cheap word.
Way out.
That's a cheap way out.
I bet more likely it's some dude who's bored and he's sitting in front of his fucking computer and he works all day and this is where he escapes.
He escapes and types and writes things then checks them later and then goes back to it and types things and checks and it keeps him sane in this stupid fucking cubicle.
That's a lot of the people.
So they pulled that whole amazing podcast down because of that.
Look, the Shia LaBeou thing was ridiculous.
He will not divide us.
Come on!
Stop!
Stop!
We're going to chant that everywhere.
It's funny what they did.
They mocked something.
That's their way of mocking it.
Nobody got hurt.
They made it out like it was an awful crime they committed on this amazing person who was just trying to change the world.
If they're willing to move Justin Bieber from the number one trending, because he number one trends too hard, and they think it's ridiculous, not to just acknowledge that our culture, that there's certain humans in our culture are spending an exorbitant amount of time thinking about that beautiful man, right?
There's a lot.
But why do we want to lie and pretend that it's not as big?
So if they just, I'm not saying they shouldn't, but if they did that, just if they did that, you go, okay, are we through the looking glass now?
You can change the data?
When do you decide who gets pushed here, who gets pushed there?
The videos that they go, you might like type thing, they did a you might like to me a couple months ago where it was just videos of a guy towing cars in Dallas, like out of their parking lot.
And he made these funny, cute little videos with a little commentary using videos from the security cameras.
Anyways, I don't know why I liked it, but I started watching it.
And I was like, you know, this is interesting.
So I tweeted it out, like, random video I just got addicted to on YouTube.
Everybody, like, hundreds of people were like, I just started watching that.
YouTube recommended that to me.
Like, how did that happen?
You know, this little guy with a tow truck company is now pushed on everybody's laps.
And now he just went over 100,000 subscribers the other day.
Well, it's also, coming from another platform is giant, but it's also, all it really takes is one person deciding that whatever the fuck you did was funny or weird or crazy.
But the question is, if it is valuable and it becomes something, almost like redistributing your stand-up, if you're doing a set.
If stand-up sets were something that you could get everywhere and you could just repost it on your page, but then your page became super popular because you have all these people's stand-up sets, You know, like Spotify.
Spotify gets ads, right?
But they don't really...
They pay the artists a little bit, but mostly they make all the money.
oriented things that have art in them as opposed to art oriented things that start making money.
They're two very different things.
So this is not an art thing.
This is they find other people's art and they sell it.
They're pushing it.
They create these accounts.
The accounts get giant.
People pass it around because they're just finding funny things and then they start profiting but all the people that created all the intellectual property get zero money which is weird.
But the thing about it is that this is happening right now on the internet.
It's a totally different animal.
I mean, Andy Warhol wasn't running around taking exact photo duplicates and putting them on his website for sale.
When someone's doing it on an Instagram page, you could, within seconds, take a piece and put it somewhere else.
It's seconds.
Brian posts something.
I think it's funny.
I go to copy.
I go to the fucking repost app.
I put it in there.
Repost it.
It's seconds later.
You could do that all day.
And if you hire kids, I don't know if he has people working for them, but if these guys do, they hire people for fucking 20 bucks an hour or whatever, and these people just do it all day long.
And there's some people that have made some funny ones.
All their own, you know, a lot of people that are just doing that all I know Dahlia has done a bunch of them And then there's also one that they do where they steal people's act and make a meme out of it and then post it on their page That's where it gets even more slippery because you're talking about like stand-ups acts The in you you're making money off it How much are they making off each post?
I mean, I don't know.
But these are multi-million dollar businesses, right?
Well, it's different because there's accountability now.
Because now people know that if you wrote a meme and you put it up on your site and then Fuck Jerry comes along and steals your shit and doesn't credit you for it, just puts it up there, you know what they did.
Unless someone sent it to them and didn't attribute it to you, which is possible, but...
It seems much more likely that what they're doing, they were doing on purpose for the longest time.
And they thought that's what you could do on the internet.
It's a wild west.
You could just take memes and you could become famous.
And look, that fat Jewish guy did it.
I mean, that guy became famous.
Whether you agree with his methods or not...
It worked.
He's got his crazy hair.
He shows you, you know, like he's this crazy looking guy and he has all these funny memes that somebody else wrote.
And they're all up on his Instagram page and it worked.
And people don't like him now.
There's a lot of people that don't like him.
People get real shitty with him in person.
They don't want him doing appearances.
They know what he did.
So there's a certain number of people that go, hey man, you're a thief.
Like this is not cool.
Like what you did is not cool.
But then there's certain people that don't care.
And then there's certain people that think, well, what he did was just what anybody did back then.
It was the Wild West.
No one thought about it.
And once he established that business model and it was effective, it was probably very hard for him to slow it down or to attribute things to people or to admit that he didn't do it for all that amount of time.
I think what's going to happen is as technology improves, being able to scan a photo and go, well, we could tell the first time this was ever put on the internet was from this little girl.
She took a photo of it, has all the data in the picture, and it's now used on this meme that's making this much money, and this meme that's going to be kind of broken down like any kind of artist.
I think Beyonce tried to get that picture taken off the internet from her from the Super Bowl a couple years ago because it was a bad picture and she didn't like how she looked in it.
I'd read he did a Rami Malek, I think is the actor's name that played him, Freddie Mercury.
He did a really good job.
Before it happened, Sacha Baron Cohen was sort of in talks for it, but he wanted to take the character in a different direction that no one was really comfortable with.
Well, not just the parts that I know, but I didn't even talk to Mark about the movie.
But there was a bunch of parts that I think he was furious about where it made it look like they were doing blow and maybe doing some gay stuff.
There was a lot of weird scenes that things were implied or just seemed odd.
Like, how do you know this happened unless Mark told you?
And Mark was furious at the end.
After it was released.
And then on top of that, the big one was that they changed his opponent when he fought in the UFC. They gave him a Russian guy when he in fact fought Big Daddy Goodrich, who's a legend.
Big Daddy Goodrich is an MMA legend.
He was a pioneer.
He was in the early UFCs.
The giant yoked black dude with the gi.
I mean, he would fight with the gi on.
He has one of the most brutal knockouts in the history of the sport where he fought this wrestler, Paul Herrera, and Paul took him down and they got into a position where Big Daddy Goodrich was lying on him sideways and he elbowed him in the face like...
Ten times in the course of like three seconds.
And it's so horrific.
You're watching his head just bounce off before they stop the fight.
It's fucking brutal.
Like one of the most brutal KOs you'll ever see in your life.
So this guy...
Wasn't just a regular guy like you just substitute him out and make the guy's name Tom instead of Bob.
No, it was Big Daddy Goodrich.
That's who Mark Schultz fought when he fought in the UFC. Watch this.
Watch this.
Boom, boom, boom, boom, boom, boom, boom, boom.
I mean, that guy is fucking out.
And his arms are trapped and his legs are trapped.
Big Daddy's got him in like a crucifix position.
And it's from Paul trying to take him down.
I mean, that was...
So that guy, Big Daddy Goodrich, he's a famous fighter.
It's not like they took some nobody and removed him from the movie and changed the name of someone where it didn't really matter.
It was a historical event in MMA. That's the reason, you think?
The cage would be in the way, but there's got to be a way that they could film through the cage.
If they just had a camera in a reinforced position where it was far enough back behind foam that there's no way it could interfere if someone crashed into it, but yet close enough that it could see through an actual hole...
You could get the entire octagon if you did it with several different ones of those.
When you see somebody do something fucking insane, like there's some wild, crazy, Francis Ngannou knocking out Alistair Overeem type punch, yeah.
Yeah, it's me and Dominic and John Anik and Anik's up and I'm leaning back.
It's a crazy job, man.
It's a crazy job.
So that was the moment.
And you see the one below it?
See that?
Go back to that.
See that one below it where I'm staring at the camera in the upper right?
No, that one there?
That was a video taken by John Wayne Parr.
John Wayne Parr, who's a multiple-time world Muay Thai champion and a friend of mine, a great guy who lives in Australia, was there at the fights in Australia when Holly Holm knocked out Ronda Rousey.
And he filmed Holly Holm head-kicking Ronda Rousey and then turns to me and I turn to him and I was like, what the fuck just happened?
I was like, whoa.
Whoa.
But when you see it in that moment, when you see something that's that fucking nuts in that moment, you're like, I can't even believe what I saw.
That was me.
I looked at him and he looked at me and we're like, whoa, dude.
That was crazy.
There's no sport like that.
Some sports just...
You know, they just have this moment where everybody gets a jolt of a drug.
Yeah, like, it's weird, like, some guys will wear, like, little anklets with, like, beads, and they tie them off, and they'll walk around barefoot, and you're like, okay, hmm.
Well, it's kind of like that look, that Shob look, where you have, like, the really tight, like, your pants go up so you can see your socks, you know, you show a little leg.
Targeting individuals with repeated slurs, tropes, or other content that tends to dehumanize, degrade, or reinforce negative or harmful stereotypes about a protected category.
See, that's where it comes from.
Like, white people are not protected.
This includes targeted misgendering or deadnaming of transgender individuals.
I love how they just went with that.
This is a giant corporation and they just went with some new word that's only been around for like a month.
I love the fact that they're trying to sort everything out.
I just think the whole thing is crazy.
It's so bizarre that...
They're trying to, in that sense, with that, that's so vague.
Dehumanize or degrade.
Well, every joke about someone, every joke about Trump, every single joke about Trump that every single comedian and or commentator and or person makes is in some way degrading.
When you talk about how fucking stupid he is, like Rob Reiner had a joke about him, called him a piece of shit or called him a piece of crap yesterday and said he couldn't believe how fucking dumb he is.
But it's like deciding what you can and shit on someone for.
What I'm saying is if someone's an asshole, and here's a perfect one.
That woman who used to be a man, she's a transgender woman, who was in a store screaming at this kid behind the counter that it's ma'am.
It's ma'am.
This is the perfect example of that.
The guy was terrified.
She's fucking huge.
And she used to be a guy and clearly still looks like a guy.
And she's saying, it's fucking ma'am!
Oh, yeah.
She knocked some shit over and she got violent in the store.
Yeah.
In that situation, you're telling me that it's not cool to say, how about you settle the fuck down because you look like a guy, you're acting like a violent guy, and you used to be a guy.
Pardon me if I think you're still a fucking guy.
That's dead naming.
But that's a good thing to say in that particular instance.
So, without nuance, right?
Without context, saying you can't say anything to degrade someone, well, clearly that would degrade that guy.
But if that guy was saying, fuck that kid, he did it on purpose, on Twitter, you're saying someone can't respond, hey man, I'm sure you're really upset that you got your dick removed and you still look like a guy, but fuck you.
Like, why can't someone say that?
Because that's people communicating how they feel about you being a dick.
Like, if you start out being a dick, and then they communicate about you being a dick by being a dick as well, are we banning this?
It's dangerous to control people's thoughts and behavior.
Because who are you to say?
And when does it end?
You know, it just keeps going and going and going and going.
It gets very slippery when you have one group that thinks it's right, and they're trying to control another group that thinks they're right.
Man, that is, it seems so simple.
When you're just talking about deadnaming transgender people or not degrading people based on their looks or their ethnicity or their this or their that.
But what you're doing is you're trying to dictate how humans communicate with each other and people don't like it when you tell them what to do.
The problem with telling people what to do is they want to do the exact opposite.
This is one of the first things you realize when you have kids.
You're like, oh, they don't want to listen to me.
I've got to figure out a way to sneak information into them.
You've got to figure out a way to not be too bossy.
People don't want someone telling them what to do.
This is what I missed.
When I was headed into that conversation, I missed how other people looked at that guy and what he stands for.
I don't think it's correct.
I think it's way more complicated.
I think it's an insane business to run.
I don't think he really knew why Alex Jones was banned or why anybody else was banned.
I don't think he really knew.
I think he's dealing with a giant corporation and he's a young guy and he wears sandals.
Oh, that's another thing that Alex Jones brought up today.
That he sponsors the podcast through the Cash App, which he also runs.
It's 100% true.
And I think we talked about it on the podcast.
We even talked about the Cash App being a sponsor and about how it's helped Justin Renz fight for the Forgotten Charity.
So Alex Jones erroneously said that I didn't mention it.
So we did mention it.
It's worth mentioning.
And Alex Jones is...
Having to respond to people that want to know if I've seen what Alex Jones has said about me lately is one of the weirder things that I've dealt with.
Because, first of all...
I've always had good dealings with Alex in person.
Person to person.
But he's obviously in a world of shit right now.
There's a lot going on with him with the Sandy Hook stuff.
And he wasn't entirely honest with me about what he had said about Sandy Hook.
Maybe he didn't remember.
Maybe he was trying to phrase it in a way other than the way I interpreted it when I saw the videos.
But there's a Media Matters video that shows all the time where he said that Sandy Hook was fake.
This is very complicated to me.
This is one of the reasons why I struggled with bringing him back on the podcast.
That's very complicated.
That is...
Even though I'm...
I've known the guy since 1998, and if I'm around him, I'd say that's my friend Alex Jones.
He's a friend.
He obviously did something fucked up.
And the parents that had to deal with what he did...
There's parents that had to deal with people calling them a crisis actor...
They had to deal with people harassing them at the courthouse and harassing them if they met them in public because they were saying that they were lying about their kids being killed.
So not only are their kids being killed, but they have to deal with someone harassing them and saying you're a liar and you're an actor.
It's insanity.
And I would think about it differently if I wasn't friends with Alex, but I would also think about it differently if he hadn't made shit up about me.
He said that I was told to stop talking about conspiracies or they threaten my family.
That's 100% horseshit.
And he has my phone number.
He could have called me.
I called him after I heard about it.
He told me that someone told him that I talked to the person who told him that I'm like, this is fucking bananas.
Like, you're out of your mind?
Call me.
This is so stupid.
You think I'm not talking about whatever, fill in the blank, whatever ridiculous conspiracy.
The Rothschilds, the fucking Rockefellers, whatever it is.
I'm not talking about that because the government threatened my family.
That is fucking wrong.
It's ridiculous.
And now you put it out there.
So Alex Jones went on afterwards and he apologized and corrected it.
Then recently, because I haven't had him on the podcast, he decided to start saying that I work for the CIA and that I'm George Soro talking points, which I don't even know what these fucking talking points are.
Joey Diaz did fuck with Eddie for a while, though.
But the point being, Alex, you're out there.
I still like you as a person.
If I saw you, I'd still give you a hug.
But you're making shit up.
And this is not helping anybody who wants to defend you.
It's not helping me as a person talk about the good qualities in you.
And you know that these things that you're saying are made up.
You're making up the fact that I'm in the CIA. You're making up for the fact that the Hollywood insiders have given me information and tell me what to say.
That's not true.
You know it's not true.
You know me.
I don't have time to be a CIA insider.
I can't take on another job.
And between doing stand-up and podcasts and UFC commentator and running a family, I can't do it.
I wouldn't do it.
I'm not interested.
I'd rather stop doing everything than work for any government organization.
No one's ever approached me.
No one's ever approached anybody I've ever heard of.
I don't even know if that really happens.
I don't know if that's a real thing.
The thing is they always say is that the CIA would talk to the people in Hollywood and tell them what to say in terms of propaganda.
Maybe.
I don't know.
I don't have any personal knowledge of it.
I'm sure someone has decided that if they're going to make a movie about like Zero Dark Thirty, that they have to get some sort of approval.
And I'm sure that a lot of movies that are very inspirational that have to do with the military would be great for recruitment.
So I'm sure there's some involvement.
I'm sure there's also some patriots that work in show business that want to put out these movies about the government and about the military in a very positive way.
That's probably the case in some instances too.
But not everything's a fucking conspiracy.
And this is why it's stupid.
And why it's stupid is some things are a fucking conspiracy.
And Alex Jones has talked about some things that were real conspiracies.
That 9-11 documentary, The Road to Tyranny, details the World Trade Organization protest.
Where they sent in these agent provocateurs, which are essentially soldiers.
They send in soldiers and military people dressed up and all black and cover their face, and they smash windows and tip over things, and they take a peaceful protest, and they turn it violent, so then the police can move in and shut down the protest.
And then, not only did they do that, but they made a no-protest zone in the United States of America.
When he makes things up, There was one recently the David Pakman show had on about Alex talking about people eating baby's pituitary glands and scattered vandalism in downtown Seattle.
And says it's okay to have sex with, you know, kids that have sex with 35-year-olds when they're 12. Just incredibly outrageous, evil, pathetic stuff of these soulless demons, like Bill Maher.
But Josh was saying he had a theory dealing with what walnut sauce is.
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And are you going to say it's the pituitary gland?
Because they confirmed that Jimmy Savelle and others would torture little kids to death, but if they couldn't get regular ones to kill, If everything was to grab a kid and run over the cars, they could say, oh, there's a police report, they get run over.
But they would hurry to the morgue and they work with different government-controlled morgues and eat the pituitary gland as quickly as possible and get high off of it.
I'm sure there's a whole, like, maybe 12 people, they have to have a meeting, then they, you know, maybe they talk to Jack, maybe they don't, maybe it's a position.
It's allowed because it's newsworthy, because it's a celebrity, and the celebrity is threatening a public figure who's also the most powerful person in the world, so it's okay?
Why is she still allowed to be on the platform and Alex Jones gets kicked off?
It's an interesting question.
What do you need to do to get kicked off?
Because that's not the only thing that Kathy's done.
Recently, she was one of the people that was calling for the name for that young boy who was with that Native American in front of his face, beating the drum.
It's crazy.
Irresponsible.
You know, I'm sure she feels bad about it now, in retrospect, especially if she's watched the video.
But she got carried away, and she thought what we all thought when we saw the picture.
The smirking cunt of a kid that got in the face of this beautiful indigenous man who's singing his rain dance cry or whatever the fuck he's doing.
Yeah, that's not what it was, though.
We found out afterwards it was much more complicated.
If you could get some legit Native American chants like that, it would put you into a trance, right?
If you don't know what they're saying, and you just go running, and you listen to that, take a little couple tokes, go for a jog in the woods, listen to Native American chants on your AirPods.
But what you're not seeing is a video that shows how it occurred.
That's all it is.
You know?
So, why is that okay?
Right?
Why is that okay?
Why is it okay for some journalists to say horrible things about white people?
Why is that okay?
Why is that okay?
Seems weird.
What if it encourages violence against a innocent white person?
Just one.
Should you be responsible?
What if they say, why did you do that?
Well, I read blah blah blah's tweet and I was like, you know what?
I am gonna go out and punch a white person.
Fuck that.
I just found some white old lady and I beat her ass.
Like, if someone decides that, you're not responsible for that, are you?
Probably not.
But you gotta kinda feel like you played a part in the way people look at things.
Especially people that are very easily influenced.
It's just also, it's gross.
You read something really racist against white people, you're like, that's gross.
You think all people are like that?
A whole group of people that don't have as much melanin.
They're all shit.
That's ridiculous.
You're a ridiculous person.
I don't care if you're brown or black or yellow.
You're ridiculous.
That's silly.
So we have to decide.
Got to decide, like, what the fuck we're doing.
If we keep letting illogical behavior be normal, like breaking us off into fucking groups like that and thinking that, you know, all men are great or all women are great or all gays are great and all straight cisgendered men can go fuck themselves.
All right.
That's silly talk.
I don't care who you are.
You're not allowed to do that.
But we let people do that if they're a part of a marginalized class.
If someone's a part of a marginalized class, then you get to shit on everybody.
In a weird way.
You get to reinforce racism.
It's so fucking counterproductive, too.
Because if you do that, then it just makes people get defensive on the other side.
They don't even want to think or empathize with how you are.
Dude, Twitter is like, like we're saying, when someone says something dumb, like Trump will say something dumb sometimes, and I'll just go there for the memes.
And I'll just read his post, and it'll get me going in the morning.
Everyone found out yesterday that he's apparently from the UK. There's two stories.
That is part of the story, but memes of him being from the UK and a British rapper that's supposedly from Atlanta really took over to the fact that Demi Lovato tweeted it, and she got shit on, and she's deleted her Twitter now because of the response to that.
This is apparently, according to Celebrity News Outlet, the woman, whose name I will not say, apparently was backing out of a driveway and her car hit Soulja's L.A. home when she hit the curb, or at his house when she hit the curb.
From that point on, his assistant reportedly became upset and started fighting with her.
From there, Soulja allegedly stepped outside and tried to break up the fight.
The woman says that he began punching and kicking her when she was on the ground and then tied her up for six hours.
We had a guy do it once at a movie theater I worked at, and we had it on video also, and we just showed him the video, and then he left and never heard anything about it.
The thing about those guys is anybody that does that kind of shit, I think the cops, all they have to do is go, sure, what's your social security number?
And they look up all the shit that he's also done.
It's like in Russia and stuff or other countries where everyone's doing the insurance scams to the point where everybody has to have dash cams on their car now.
Do you remember the one where there was a mayor outside of Washington DC and they were using his house as an address and it was something with the mail delivery guy was running weed and so the mail delivery guy would come by And the package was addressed to him, but he would just keep the package, because he knew that this was this guy's house.
It was on his route, and that way, as the package came in the mail, it would be his to deliver, but instead of delivering it, he would hold onto it.
So they break into the mayor's house.
Shoot his fucking dogs.
Shoot his dog.
And he had one of my dogs, Marshall.
He was a super-duper sweet dog.
He had a yellow lab, which is real similar.
I think it was a yellow lab.
Might have been a golden retriever.
Either way, they fucking shot at least one of his dogs.
Because, like, there's, like, if you take your phone and put it on a wireless charger, there's, like, a little room that if you don't have to touch it, like, maybe...
Or if the streets, like if somehow, like if you're riding on the highway and if you want to fuel up, that you can fuel up using the road and pay a fee or something.
It just takes a little while to figure out what all different buttons do and how to get things to happen, but it's really well thought out.
Look, he's a legit genius, you know, and what he's doing is unprecedented.
And, you know, this is going to sound like I'm kissing his ass because I like him because he did the podcast and then I became friends with him.
But no, he's important.
The guy's got ideas that are of a magnitude that dummies like you and me are never going to come up with any of those ideas.
Ever.
If we lived a thousand lives, we would never figure out SpaceX.
It's just not in our wheelhouse.
We would never make a fucking electric car.
We'd never make one of those things.
Never make that Tesla Roadster that's going to come out that goes 0 to 60 in 1.9 seconds and looks like a spaceship, like a race car spaceship from the future.
We're not doing that, dude.
We need people like that.
Those guys are super important.
This guy is like a culture changer, like a legit culture changer.
I don't think they said that they were going to...
They probably don't have it down.
Sometimes when they're working on these experimental vehicles, they'll develop something, but then they don't like certain aspects of it, or then maybe they're aware of a competitor's work that might come out with more horsepower.
For instance, the GT500 from Ford, it was on its way out.
They were going to put it out, the new one, But they were saying that it has over 700 horsepower.
The Shelby, the GT500. They said it's over 700 horsepower.
The reason why they said that is because Dodge came out with the Demon, and then they came out with some other version of the Hellcat that's also like 800 horsepower.
So if you come out with only 700 horsepower, it's hard.
Because as ridiculous as that sounds, some people are going to think, yeah, but it's not the ZR1 that's got 750, or it's not the this or the that.
So they haven't said exactly what the horsepower rating is because they're still trying to juice it up.
That might be the case with the Bronco, too.
They might be trying to fix things and juice things up.
I don't think they've announced the specific date it comes out.
But it looks like it's got wider body work, too, doesn't it?
Like the fenders are wider in the rear and the front.
But if you don't want to wait, you can get something even more powerful that is available right now with a manual transmission.
You get the Shelby Super Snake.
Google that.
You want to see America at its rock-hard finest?
2019 or 18 Shelby Super Snake.
800 motherfucking horsepower, wide-body Mustang with a manual transmission.
And they say, don't even fuck with the automatic, because the automatic transmission is the transmission from a regular automatic Mustang, and it just doesn't know what the fuck to do.
So I said everything I wanted to say about the Jack Dorsey thing.
I said everything I wanted to say to Alex Jones.
So my olive branch extended to you, Mr. Jones.
I wish you well in this life.
And everybody else, we'll do better.
We're going to definitely have Jack back on, and we're going to have Jack back on and review some of these cases with some of the people that are in charge with it.
Of it, rather.
And we're going to compile a list.
We're going to try to get someone to compile a list of what they think would be contradictory cases or hypocritical cases or interesting cases or just fuel for conversation.
And we'll figure it out.
And yeah, the Cash App is one of the sponsors of the podcast.
I'm 99.9% sure we said that.
I'm positive we did because we talked about Justin Wren's fight for the Forgotten Charity about what that code word Rogan is doing for pygmies in the Congo when they do that.
I swear to you, even though you don't have to believe me, that did not affect how I talked to that guy.
I don't have a problem getting sponsors.
I got plenty of sponsors.
It's a good sponsor.
I like them.
They do good things.
They donate $5 to UFC fighter Ray Borg's son's medical bills for every time someone uses the code Joe Rogan.
So I like them.
If I had them as a sponsor and I couldn't talk freely with him, I would be happy if they dropped me.
I would be way happier for them to drop me than I would for me to say something different or not say something because they're a sponsor.
Again, that sounds very self-serving, like you would say that, right?