Jan. 17, 2019 - The Joe Rogan Experience
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| Three, two, one. | ||
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Boom! | |
| And we're live. | ||
| What's happening, Joe? | ||
| What's up, Mike? | ||
| Tom Segura's in the house for a few minutes here to stop by to say hi. | ||
| I can't believe you've never had a cup of coffee. | ||
| Never. | ||
| You want some? | ||
| No. | ||
| That might be the most outrageous thing about you, is that you've never had coffee. | ||
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Your whole life, you've never had coffee. | |
| Tea, never coffee. | ||
| No one ever offered you a cup of coffee? | ||
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No. | |
| You never went to Starbucks? | ||
| No, for tea, I had some donuts. | ||
| Wow. | ||
| What about like a... | ||
| When I was in rehab, you always got to go to Starbucks, because the meeting's right outside of Starbucks. | ||
| You always hang out at Starbucks. | ||
| Right. | ||
| But never for coffee. | ||
| You didn't want to try it? | ||
| Never. | ||
| How about like girlfriends, wives, like none of them ever drank coffee at home? | ||
| I'm sure they have, but I never really. | ||
| My wife drinks it. | ||
| And you just, nothing? | ||
| No. | ||
| I'm so addicted to coffee. | ||
| All the drugs I did, you'd think coffee would be nothing. | ||
| Yeah, that's what I'm saying. | ||
| Like, it doesn't make any sense. | ||
| When did you first try any drugs? | ||
| Kid. | ||
| 10 years old, 9 years old. | ||
| What kind of shit? | ||
| Smoking and drinking. | ||
| Right. | ||
| Then as I got older, I tried acid. | ||
| How old were you when you first tried acid? | ||
| Probably 11. Wow. | ||
| Yeah, really young. | ||
| Jesus, man. | ||
| Wow, that's really young. | ||
| Wow. | ||
| But when you were the champ... | ||
| When you were in your prime, when you beat Trevor Burbank, were you doing anything back then? | ||
| Drinking a lot. | ||
| Drinking a lot? | ||
| Really? | ||
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Yeah. | |
| That's amazing. | ||
| Would you go clean for camp? | ||
| Yes, for camp. | ||
| Just for camp? | ||
| Yes, for camp. | ||
| Yeah, but outside, once a fight's over. | ||
| I'm an animal. | ||
| Wild, yeah. | ||
| You were the first guy that I ever used as an example to break that old myth that you can't have sex before fights. | ||
| And I was like, well, that's out the window. | ||
| For sure. | ||
| Because you would talk about it all the time. | ||
| Yeah, pretty much, yeah. | ||
| Your logic made sense, too. | ||
| You're like, I don't want to think about it. | ||
| I don't want to be thinking about sex. | ||
| I'll just get it out of the way. | ||
| Yeah, and it's over with. | ||
| You don't have to do it. | ||
| You refuel for the next six weeks, and you're going with your fight. | ||
| Do you think that was a myth, that it made you weak? | ||
| Yeah, I think it's a myth. | ||
| Yeah, it doesn't seem to make sense. | ||
| It seems odd, yeah. | ||
| That would inspire you more so than disintegrate you, I would think. | ||
| They said that the Olympic, you know, where the athletes stay, is just like fuckfest. | ||
| Of course. | ||
| I don't think so, yeah. | ||
| They have the boys and the girls in the same vicinity. | ||
| Also, probably want to alleviate some anxiety. | ||
| Anxiety. | ||
| Freaking out. | ||
| You're at the Olympics. | ||
| You know, you're 18 years old. | ||
| And everyone's in amazing shape. | ||
| Yeah, stressed out. | ||
| Stressed out. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| When you were first coming up, when you were Kid Dynamite on Sports Illustrated, I'll never forget that, man. | ||
| Your era from the 80s, the late 80s, that era... | ||
| It was a big part of my youth. | ||
| You being the champ, it was a change of things. | ||
| Because when Larry Holmes was the champ as a boxing fan, I loved Larry Holmes. | ||
| There's that cover. | ||
| You were 19 years old, right? | ||
| When Larry Holmes was the champ as a boxing fan... | ||
| Wow, you still got that stuff, man? | ||
| You can still get those. | ||
| Sports Illustrated. | ||
| It's the internet. | ||
| You can find it on the internet. | ||
| That's how Jamie got it. | ||
| I had that, Sports Illustrated. | ||
| But when Larry Holmes was a champ, as a boxing fan, I appreciated him. | ||
| I knew he was a great fighter. | ||
| We'd get together with friends and watch the Michael Spinks fight with Larry Holmes when Spinks beat him for the title. | ||
| It was a big deal, but it wasn't a big deal culturally. | ||
| People didn't care as much. | ||
| But then you came around. | ||
| And when you came around, all of a sudden, everybody's watching heavyweight boxing. | ||
| Heavyweight boxing wasn't boring again. | ||
| It was the most crazy, exciting thing in sports. | ||
| When your fights would go on, it would be about, should I pay for this? | ||
| Because how long is this going to last? | ||
| That had never existed. | ||
| Yeah, that's pretty weird. | ||
| People tell me about that all the time. | ||
| They all chipped in. | ||
| I never think about it like that. | ||
| Sometimes... | ||
| When it comes to my realization of the situation, I forget that I'm that guy. | ||
| I forget that I trained that hard and I became a fighter and stuff. | ||
| Yeah, that's what I was getting to ask you. | ||
| Like, does it seem like a dream? | ||
| Yeah, pretty much like a blur. | ||
| Because I couldn't imagine what it would be like to be 19 years old, 20 years old, to be that fucking famous. | ||
| It was a trip. | ||
| Who can handle that? | ||
| Can anybody handle that? | ||
| No, it was a trip, but it was just what Customado, you know, that was his blueprint to make me this teenage superstar. | ||
| Did he give you advice on how to handle pressure and fame? | ||
| Oh, the pressure and everything, but you know, he says really no ingredients in how to handle fame. | ||
| You know what I mean? | ||
| We have to see what department of fame is your problem, and we have to work on that issue from there. | ||
| But no one knows how to conduct themselves under that kind of pressure. | ||
| No. | ||
| I couldn't imagine. | ||
| It's the level of fame, too. | ||
| It's like you realize there's so many levels of fame, and then Mike's is... | ||
| Still just extraordinary, where people walk away from their job, like in an airport. | ||
| They're supposed to be at the cash register, and they run out. | ||
| They leave their job to go say hi. | ||
| Most of the time, you're like, oh, that's who that person is. | ||
| It's a totally different thing. | ||
| How weird is that? | ||
| That's pretty weird. | ||
| It took time for me to get used to that stuff. | ||
| I used to be one of those. | ||
| Get the fuck away from me, man. | ||
| What are you doing, you creep? | ||
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You know what I mean? | |
| Because I never knew how to conduct myself. | ||
| Mike, come here. | ||
| Take a picture of my mother. | ||
| Take a picture of my kid. | ||
| Take a picture here. | ||
| Take a picture here. | ||
| I love you. | ||
| This and that. | ||
| I'm like, whoa, dude. | ||
| Cool out. | ||
| You know what I mean? | ||
| But now, you know, I understand this is just what it is. | ||
| It is what it is, and you're not going to be able to stop it. | ||
| Yeah, I've seen you at the UFC before. | ||
| You're very calm around people. | ||
| When people grabbing at you want to take pictures, you just relax. | ||
| The UFC is awesome because everybody's nuts. | ||
| Yeah, it's definitely a wild environment. | ||
| What do you think Habib's going to do now? | ||
| But I think who? | ||
| Khabib? | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| Well, he does whatever the fuck he wants to do. | ||
| That's what I think. | ||
| I think that guy's probably the best lightweight of all time. | ||
| He's a monster. | ||
| Incredible. | ||
| I think he's probably going to have some fights at 170 pounds eventually, if I'd imagine. | ||
| At 155, there's good fights for him. | ||
| Tony Ferguson's a great fight for him. | ||
| I'm really interested in seeing that. | ||
| I'm really interested in seeing him going up. | ||
| I'm really interested to see him fight at 170 pounds. | ||
| Who looked at from the fight? | ||
| Well, first of all, Tyron Woodley, who's the champ at 170, that would be an insane fight. | ||
| George St. Pierre, if he decided to come back and make a big super fight, that would be an insane fight. | ||
| I think 170 has a lot of opportunities for him. | ||
| But I think 155 does too. | ||
| They just have to figure out who's going to fight him. | ||
| He's an international superstar now. | ||
| You know, Khabib, especially the way he smashed Conor. | ||
| Conor's such a superstar already. | ||
| That the way Khabib won and did it so dominant, I think he's through the roof now. | ||
| I think when he comes back and people see the pay-per-view numbers of his fights, they're going to realize how huge this guy is. | ||
| Because he's so interesting. | ||
| He's very humble. | ||
| He's very polite. | ||
| Very well-spoken. | ||
| Very religious guy. | ||
| Lives with his family. | ||
| Lives with his parents. | ||
| Lives with his parents and his family, I believe. | ||
| I hope I'm not speaking out of school. | ||
| I believe that's true. | ||
| And obviously, he doesn't have to for money. | ||
| I mean, he's rich as shit now. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| But he's just a monster. | ||
| Best grappler I've ever seen inside the 155-pound division. | ||
| He just smashes people. | ||
| What do you think about John Jones, though? | ||
| In what way? | ||
| In his skills. | ||
| He's phenomenal. | ||
| Incredible. | ||
| The best ever at using distance. | ||
| He knows distance better than anybody. | ||
| He's a master at knowing when he can hit you and you can't hit him. | ||
| Yeah, I miss watching him fight, you know what I mean? | ||
| He's not fighting as much anymore. | ||
| He's back. | ||
| He just won. | ||
| Just won the title again. | ||
| Just fought Alexander Gustafson. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| Yeah, a couple weeks ago. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| For a bacon title? | ||
| It was Daniel Cormier relinquished his title. | ||
| And it was like, it's weird, right? | ||
| Cormier is the champ because Jon Jones tested positive for something, so they stripped him, and then Cormier became the champ. | ||
| It's, you know, I think they'll probably fight again, whether they fight again at heavyweight or light heavyweight. | ||
| Really? | ||
| Yeah, I think Cormier and Jon Jones, if Cormier wants to, if he wants to keep going. | ||
| But he says he wants to retire soon. | ||
| He's 40, you know? | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| He still looks good, though. | ||
| He looks great. | ||
| Especially at heavyweight. | ||
| At heavyweight, he doesn't have to cut weight. | ||
| He's got so much strength and just so agile. | ||
| He's such an unbelievable wrestler, too. | ||
| I mean, his wrestling skill, his skill level and understanding of wrestling is so high. | ||
| It's so above most people. | ||
| Anybody fight outside of John Jones, he dominated. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| Yeah, that's how good John is. | ||
| John's that good. | ||
| He's that good. | ||
| I mean, it just sucks that he's had so many controversies in his life, but I'm hoping he puts all that shit behind him. | ||
| Have you ever spoken with him about that? | ||
| Yeah, never about his personal life. | ||
| We met before and talked. | ||
| But you're a guy who's gone, I mean, when you went through legal problems yourself, you overcame, you came out of it on the other hand. | ||
| I would think a guy like him could benefit a lot from talking to a guy like him. | ||
| Yeah, but it's just so difficult and it's so unfortunate that he has to go through something like that, you know? | ||
| Do you think so? | ||
| Yes, it's really unfortunate. | ||
| Because sometimes people don't survive situations like that. | ||
| Because they're so wild and they're having a good time too much and they're partying. | ||
| It has to come to an end. | ||
| If you don't bring it to an end, it's going to come to its own end. | ||
| It might not like that way it ends. | ||
| So you think for a guy like him, maybe getting in trouble was a good thing? | ||
| If only have you learned from experiences like that, you know? | ||
| I was just a wild guy. | ||
| I was really a wild guy. | ||
| I look at myself now and I say to myself, when I spent all those trips in those psych woods and stuff, I say, what was that all about? | ||
| What was wrong with me back then? | ||
| You know? | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| And I must say I was really disturbed back then. | ||
| But you're somebody who got to the point where you got like, it's really fascinating, because I know you're a public figure, so I've been able to watch you my whole life. | ||
| You went through all that stuff, and then you got to this point where you're very self-reflective. | ||
| You are able to comment on it. | ||
| I don't think most, I mean, most people, regardless of whether they're famous or not, just still don't get to that point where they're able to look back and examine who they were and doing wild shit and With ruthless honesty. | ||
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Yeah. | |
| That's what's so great. | ||
| You have to reflect on yourself to discover who you really are. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| When you're 20 years old and all of a sudden you're the heavyweight champion of the world just a few years ago, you were poor. | ||
| And now all of a sudden you're the king of the world. | ||
| That's really crazy. | ||
| You know, I'm so young. | ||
| It's really crazy. | ||
| I was unable to handle that. | ||
| I wasn't expecting that. | ||
| That was a real sucker punch right there. | ||
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Charlie Murphy. | |
| That's a real sucker punch right there. | ||
| I wasn't ready for that one. | ||
| Charlie Murphy told us a story, and it's animated, and it's on YouTube now, of you and him coming over to your house in a limousine, and you had a, was it a lion or a tiger? | ||
| Tiger. | ||
| He must have been a lion, but he had a tiger. | ||
| Dude. | ||
| It is one of the craziest fucking stories. | ||
| I always... | ||
| So for people that don't know, I got to hang out with you at one of my shows one time. | ||
| And it was a great... | ||
| I had the best time talking to you about everything. | ||
| What made you think you could get a tiger? | ||
| Like, how did that even happen? | ||
| Hey, I'm in... | ||
| This is really interesting. | ||
| And so, I'm in prison at the time. | ||
| So I'm in prison. | ||
| I'm talking to my car dealer at the time. | ||
| And he has some... | ||
| Cars that belong to a friend of mine. | ||
| They're both a friend of ours. | ||
| And he's discussing if he doesn't pay for these cars, I'm going to sell these cars to somebody and get some horses and stuff. | ||
| I said, what? | ||
| You can get horses? | ||
| And trade horses in for cars? | ||
| Because I had a lot of cars. | ||
| I said, I'll probably get some horses, too. | ||
| And he said, yeah, man, you can get cougars, lions, tigers. | ||
| I know this guy got excited. | ||
| I said, you do? | ||
| Can you get me some tigers? | ||
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He said, yeah. | |
| And the guy told me, and the guy said, man, imagine how cool that big you'd be. | ||
| Because I had a bunch of fancy cars. | ||
| Imagine that, man, you'd be in the Aston Martin or Farah and you have a tiger right next to you, man. | ||
| I don't know. | ||
| And I'm a young guy. | ||
| I'm saying to myself, wow, that would be cool, right? | ||
| I mean, yeah, get me some cubs, man. | ||
| And then when I came home, I had those cubs right there waiting for me. | ||
| So you raised them as cubs? | ||
| Yes. | ||
| Because I would see footage of you, like, fucking smacking them around and jumping on one of your tigers, and I was like, holy shit! | ||
| Oh, no, I had them since they were babies. | ||
| I had their mothers. | ||
| Their mothers since they were babies. | ||
| Now, it never gets... | ||
| This is a crazy picture. | ||
| You in your underwear with a tiger on a chain. | ||
| That is one of the... | ||
| That's the chance right there. | ||
| That's you at peak crazy. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| Insane. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| Tom, what was going through my mind? | ||
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Yeah. | |
| I don't know what made me think about... | ||
| My friend said, Mike, you can get some awesome animals. | ||
| And I'm saying, really? | ||
| Are you serious? | ||
| I'm going to get some horses. | ||
| Everybody does it, though. | ||
| That was one of the things about... | ||
| What's his face from Narcos? | ||
| Oh, Pablo Escobar. | ||
| He got like a fucking zoo in it. | ||
| Escobar had a whole crazy zoo. | ||
| They all do it. | ||
| Once you get like that rich, you're like, just get some animals. | ||
| Yeah, you want to fuck with some animals. | ||
| Let's get some animals. | ||
| Fuck these people. | ||
| Let's get some animals. | ||
| And they throw people in there with the lions and tigers. | ||
| Get in there, you motherfucker! | ||
| It's a real common thing with super rich people. | ||
| They start getting lions, tigers and shit. | ||
| Michael Jackson had all that stuff, too. | ||
| That's right. | ||
| Michael Jackson. | ||
| Michael Jackson had everything. | ||
| Yeah, he was there, too. | ||
| Hugh Hefner had like a zoo in his backyard. | ||
| That's true. | ||
| But he had weird shit, like weird birds. | ||
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Yeah. | |
| I don't think he maybe had a monkey or something. | ||
| He did have weird shit. | ||
| Nothing dangerous. | ||
| I hung up there before at the Playboy Mansion. | ||
| This is at the end of his career. | ||
| It was like, what was it, 10 years ago or something? | ||
| It was pretty awesome. | ||
| Yeah, that guy, man, what a life he lived. | ||
| You? | ||
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Yeah. | |
| In his pajamas. | ||
| They're sucking his balls and he's 80 and shit. | ||
| Oh, no! | ||
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Deep into his 80s. | |
| Deep into his 80s. | ||
| Deep into his 90s. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| Here's the thing. | ||
| That dude lived the lifestyle he was talking about. | ||
| You know, a lot of people talk shit and you're like, you don't really do that. | ||
| He was really doing it. | ||
| If I start living that life, I'll be dark. | ||
| I'll start getting dark. | ||
| Too much indulgence. | ||
| Wait, one other thing. | ||
| I got to run. | ||
| Where you going, man? | ||
| I got to go meet the wife, man. | ||
| Oh, yeah. | ||
| That'll do it to you. | ||
| I read one time. | ||
| For people that know, I met... | ||
| Mike on a flight, and it was a surreal experience. | ||
| You know, like, from being a kid and thinking, like, this is Superman. | ||
| That's what I thought as a kid. | ||
| You know what I mean? | ||
| When you see it as a kid, too, I think it's different. | ||
| You're just like, whoa, that is so nuts. | ||
| Like, these 11-second knockouts and shit. | ||
| And Joe, Noah's so bizarre. | ||
| Periodically, even to this day, people come up to me and talk about the experience. | ||
| They saw him, and he talked about meeting me. | ||
| He said, is that true? | ||
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Yeah. | |
| All the time, right? | ||
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It's on a special. | |
| It's on Mostly Stories. | ||
| People ask me, is that true? | ||
| Yeah, Mostly Stories. | ||
| And it was a surreal experience. | ||
| And we spoke on the plane. | ||
| And then when I thought we were done talking, I faced forward. | ||
| And then he came back and tapped me on the shoulder. | ||
| I was like, oh, shit! | ||
| Mike's talking to me. | ||
| I'm down here seat belted in. | ||
| But then we land and he was like, oh, where's your show? | ||
| And I go, oh, it's here. | ||
| I give him the number. | ||
| Never expect it here. | ||
| Hits me up the next day. | ||
| And he's like, we're coming to your show. | ||
| And I was like, oh, my God. | ||
| And I really did say, like, I'm amazed that you're coming. | ||
| And he said, it's all love. | ||
| And I just said, I love you. | ||
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Because I didn't know what to say. | |
| And then... | ||
| That was good. | ||
| That was cool. | ||
| He's like, alright, man. | ||
| And then I have the phone. | ||
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And then... | |
| I remember I called the Pittsburgh Improv Manager. | ||
| And I go, hey, man. | ||
| I just go, you're not going to believe this, but Tyson's coming to the fight tonight. | ||
| He goes, Mike Tyson? | ||
| I go, no. | ||
| Fucking Tyson Chicken. | ||
| Yeah, Mike Tyson's coming tonight. | ||
| He's like, I'll corridor off a whole thing. | ||
| And, you know... | ||
| And I didn't know he was at the show. | ||
| Because the show had already started and I didn't see him arrive. | ||
| When we go back to the green... | ||
| After the show, I walk off stage and he grabs me and he goes, let's go to the green room. | ||
| So he took me to my green room, right? | ||
| And I was like, fuck yeah. | ||
| And we hung out in that green room over an hour and just shooting the shit and talking. | ||
| And when I forgot the time had passed, I opened the door. | ||
| The entire staff... | ||
| Entire staff is lined up at the door to meet him. | ||
| That's the effect that he has on the group. | ||
| They're waiting in a line for an hour outside the green room. | ||
| We talked about boxing, about life. | ||
| It was fascinating. | ||
| One of the things I really appreciated about you as a fighter was that you really knew that you were putting on a show. | ||
| So that's something that I feel like I miss. | ||
| There's no one that put on the show the way you did. | ||
| You knew that people bought tickets and And paid for the pay-per-view. | ||
| And then, you know, it's still like one of my great memories, man. | ||
| It was a thrill to meet you. | ||
| So I just wanted to stop by and say hi. | ||
| Sounds like you're wrapping it up. | ||
| Yeah, he has to go. | ||
| I do, I do. | ||
| Oh, by the way, did you buy seven Bentleys that were the same color? | ||
| No, but I bought around seven Bentleys before. | ||
| Damn. | ||
| They're Rolls Royces. | ||
| I wanted to ask. | ||
| You did give away one when you crashed it, right? | ||
| Yeah, let me tell you that story. | ||
| I wish I had some time. | ||
| I got... | ||
| I was married at the time to Robin Givens and we were in some fast food chain. | ||
| We were ordering food and she went in my pocket I guess to get some money out of my pocket to pay for it and she saw some condoms came out and she was mad so she got in the car And then, boom, she crashed the car into another car that was just parked there. | ||
| Boom! | ||
| And she hit somebody, and she hurt their arm. | ||
| And then the cops came. | ||
| And so the cops came, and the cops were saying, hey, what happened here? | ||
| Right? | ||
| And I was afraid that they were going to arrest me or arrest me. | ||
| So I said, well, nothing happened, officer. | ||
| Nothing. | ||
| And it was the guy with a broken arm. | ||
| I said, you know, sir, why don't you just take the car? | ||
| You know, you deserve it because you've been doing a lot. | ||
| Because I didn't want to get arrested. | ||
| I didn't have a license or anything. | ||
| I didn't want my wife to get in trouble. | ||
| I said, why don't you just take it? | ||
| It was around 230 at the time. | ||
| I said, why don't you just take it? | ||
| It'll be okay. | ||
| And the guy said, hey, don't tell me that. | ||
| And then once he said that, I said, got him. | ||
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Ah. | |
| I said, I got him. | ||
| And I said, hey man, take it, man. | ||
| Do this, man. | ||
| You deserve this. | ||
| Take it. | ||
| And they took it. | ||
| But before that, some guy's arm was broken and I gave him my money. | ||
| I said, I'll take the money. | ||
| And then he came back to the police. | ||
| He said, my arm is better. | ||
| Now get away from me. | ||
| I'm not going to tell you to get away from me no more. | ||
| Because he didn't want to mess this deal up with this car. | ||
| Because the guy complained he's not going to get in this car. | ||
| That's hilarious. | ||
| And the cops said, don't fucking come near me again. | ||
| You hear me? | ||
| So the guy is backed off, and I say, hey, go ahead, man. | ||
| I'll see you later. | ||
| And I took off my wife. | ||
| I didn't want us to get in trouble. | ||
| But they made him give away the car, right? | ||
| I went back to my office, and I said, get my fucking car back. | ||
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Really? | |
| Yeah. | ||
| He got fired. | ||
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He did? | |
| Yeah. | ||
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Oh, my God. | |
| He's probably hearing this night, I'm going to get that bastard, Tyson. | ||
| So you gave him to me? | ||
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Yeah. | |
| I wanted my Indian gift. | ||
| I wanted my car back. | ||
| I wanted my car back. | ||
| Oh, no. | ||
| You imagine Mike Tyson calls you up and says, give me my fucking car back. | ||
| He's like, shit! | ||
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Yeah. | |
| It's outside, man. | ||
| I got it for you. | ||
| God damn it. | ||
| Listen, I got to tell you something. | ||
| I got to tell you something. | ||
| You guys know I embarked on the marijuana business. | ||
| Yes. | ||
| This beautiful box. | ||
| That is a beautiful box, by the way. | ||
| That's so awesome. | ||
| Thank you, man, for accepting it. | ||
| My pleasure. | ||
| I'm honored. | ||
| That's a cool-ass box, man. | ||
| Yeah, Tyson Ranch is going to be opening up pretty shortly. | ||
| Yeah, you guys have... | ||
| I saw the plans. | ||
| I mean, 2022. This is a big deal. | ||
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Really? | |
| This place is gigantic. | ||
| Which state? | ||
| It's in California. | ||
|
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It is here? | |
| Yeah. | ||
| They're setting up like a resort. | ||
| Really? | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| It's going to be the best facility in the world, man. | ||
| It's going to have an acre-long lake. | ||
| Wow. | ||
| You could go stay. | ||
| It's going to be camping, glamping. | ||
| Glamping. | ||
| Glamorous camping. | ||
| Glamorous camping. | ||
| Very glamorous, yeah. | ||
| How about some tigers and shit? | ||
| Put some wild animals. | ||
| My partner Rob Hickman was discussing that too. | ||
| Where are those tigers? | ||
| Well, I had them for like 14 years, so I had to get rid of them, you know what I mean? | ||
| What do you do when you want to get rid of a tiger? | ||
| A sanctuary. | ||
| Oh. | ||
| All right, fuck. | ||
| I gotta run. | ||
| I love you. | ||
| I love you. | ||
| I love you too, buddy. | ||
| Look, better cannabis, dude. | ||
| There it is. | ||
| Yeah, congrats on that, man. | ||
| That looks dope. | ||
| Awesome, man. | ||
| I'm so excited about this stuff. | ||
| Love you, bro. | ||
| I love embarking on this cannabis stuff. | ||
| This stuff is so awesome. | ||
| Yeah, you seem to be really enjoying this. | ||
| Like, when you're talking to your partners out there, you're having a good time with this. | ||
| Aw, man, I never thought that in a million years I'd be able to do this and legalize. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| When did you start, like, regularly smoking weed? | ||
| Since I was like 10 years old. | ||
| The whole time when you were fighting, you were regularly smoking weed? | ||
| Well, you know, when you're a kid, your mother gives you liquor and marijuana for it to make you think that you're going to go to sleep or something, yeah. | ||
| Really? | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| That never happened in my house. | ||
| Never, yeah. | ||
| My mother was an alcoholic and stuff. | ||
| Damn. | ||
| That's harsh. | ||
| Liquor and marijuana. | ||
| See if you go to sleep. | ||
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Yeah. | |
| It didn't work? | ||
| I don't think so. | ||
| What benefits do you get out of marijuana? | ||
| What does it do for you? | ||
| Hey, man, if I didn't, I'd have a bad day. | ||
| Yeah, I'm a really moody guy without it. | ||
| And it just smooths me out. | ||
| As soon as I take it, I'm a whole different person. | ||
| I'm really on top of my game. | ||
| I'm balling. | ||
| Yeah, I feel the same way sometimes. | ||
| It makes me nicer. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| Yeah, it calms me down. | ||
| And I like who I am when I smoke. | ||
| When I weed, I don't sometimes like who I am sometimes. | ||
| That's just the real sometimes. | ||
| I don't like that guy. | ||
| I want to get away from that guy. | ||
| Well, you know, I was talking to Michael Irvin once. | ||
| He was explaining to me that when children grow up in high-stress environments, that their genes are wired. | ||
| If it's normal, if it's around them all the time, when they're growing up and when they're in the womb. | ||
| Yeah, I agree. | ||
| When their mother's under extreme stress, if they live in a bad neighborhood. | ||
| And it's hard for some people like yourself that did grow up in an environment like that to ever reach where you're at right now, just a place of peace. | ||
| And if you can do that through marijuana or whatever it is, yoga, meditation, whatever you do to get there. | ||
| We should be happy that you can get there. | ||
| That's what we want. | ||
| Listen, I am so grateful that I embarked on this. | ||
| I've never been a person to this magnitude, this kind of relaxation. | ||
| I was enjoying my time with you. | ||
| I was very uptight. | ||
| Anytime I was very uncomfortable with myself. | ||
| Did you feel any better after you worked out when you were young like that? | ||
| Absolutely. | ||
| But my work's out. | ||
| You know what? | ||
| The best thing that ever happened to me is that I retired from boxing. | ||
| Because me working out and Megan, I was so intense with this. | ||
| My whole objective was hurting people and wanting to be the best. | ||
| And my ego took over. | ||
| And I'm Mike Tyson. | ||
| I'm the best to ever live and all this bullshit. | ||
| And dealing with my partner, Rob Hickman, I happened to embark on this, come across this thing called The Toad. | ||
| Are you familiar with the toad? | ||
| Yeah, what you're talking about is 5-methoxy-dynethyl-tryptomy. | ||
| Oh, that's it right there, yeah. | ||
| And I came across that, and I smoked this, I don't know, this medicine, drug, whatever you want to call it, and I've never been the same. | ||
| I look at life different, I look at people differently, and the experience I can't even express, really. | ||
| It's almost like dying and being reborn. | ||
| Yeah, I had the exact same experience. | ||
| That's what it felt like to me, too. | ||
| Like, you stop existing. | ||
| The 5-methoxys, there's two... | ||
| Tell me, what's the deal with it? | ||
| What the hell's going on here? | ||
| 5-methoxys is produced by your brain, but what it is, is it's DMT with an oxygen molecule attached to it. | ||
| So regular DMT is NN-dimethyltryptamine. | ||
| And then 5-methoxy-dimethyltryptamine is DMT with a very subtle change to the molecule, and that subtle change, for some reason, takes away the visuals. | ||
| You've done regular DMT too, right? | ||
| Yes. | ||
| Regular DMT is rich with visuals. | ||
| Very strained, bright, colorful, impossible to describe visuals. | ||
| Yes, it's inconceivable. | ||
| Inconceivable is the best way to put it. | ||
| Yeah, inconceivable. | ||
| I try to explain it to some people, my wife, and it's just I don't have the words to explain it. | ||
| That's exactly what I always say. | ||
| I've done a terrible job explaining it to everybody every time I've tried. | ||
| It just doesn't work. | ||
| But all those things, they give you perspective. | ||
| It's almost like you're dying, you're submissive, you're humble, you're vulnerable, but you're invincible still in all. | ||
| It's just that weird feeling. | ||
| But you feel like you're part of the universe. | ||
| When you're separate from your ego, you realize you're a part of this whole thing, and this whole thing is unstoppable. | ||
| It's a gigantic, huge, all-encompassing... | ||
| Almost like a living thing. | ||
| You know, Joan, this is what I also realized, too, after going through that experience. | ||
| You realize how insignificant you are sometimes without your ego. | ||
| Yes. | ||
| You realize, wow, you're not really much that you really thought you were. | ||
| Yeah, you are and you aren't. | ||
| Obviously, you are in everyday life. | ||
| I mean, you go places, you have a dramatic effect on people. | ||
| You mean a lot. | ||
| You mean a lot to those people that you run into. | ||
| You mean a lot to the people that you love and that love you. | ||
| But we all do. | ||
| It's all relative. | ||
| No one is irreplaceable, but everyone is special to someone or something, at least to themselves. | ||
| But we're all the same. | ||
| We're all part of this weird, crazy, gigantic organism that's the human race. | ||
| You know, so I think you said it. | ||
| My mentor, Customato, his objective was to think of nothing. | ||
| You're nothing, nothing's nothing but the objective, the job, and that was his psychological warfare. | ||
| You know, nothing matters. | ||
| You're nothing, nothing, but the only thing that matters is the objective and accomplishing that objective by going through these methods of boxing. | ||
| Do you ever stop and think about how fortunate it was you ran into that guy? | ||
| Listen, to this day, I really don't understand that. | ||
| So how did this happen? | ||
| Because so many people... | ||
| By the time I was born, he was 66 years old by the time I was born. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| Crazy. | ||
| So many people could, you know... | ||
| Can't even explain it. | ||
| It's a magnificent individual. | ||
| He was an amazing guy. | ||
| An amazing part of boxing with an unprecedented grasp of the mindset required for combat sports. | ||
| That was the thing that always really stood out about him. | ||
| He was a guy that was so well versed in the mindset. | ||
| I would listen to his speeches when he would talk about you and he would talk about boxing. | ||
| We talk about fear. | ||
| Fear can be like a fire. | ||
| It can cook your food or it can burn your house down. | ||
| And you have to control it. | ||
| And when he would describe it, it would be so enlightening. | ||
| He was such a man of wisdom that when he would describe things, they would sink in. | ||
| Somebody could say the same thing. | ||
| But with him, he had so much life experience. | ||
| He was a psychiatrist, he was a doctor, he was a father, he was a mother. | ||
| He was just all around that individual. | ||
| Yeah, and with an amazing knowledge of boxing. | ||
| And for a guy like you, it was almost like it was ordained. | ||
| And that's what I always said. | ||
| It was meant for me to meet this guy. | ||
| Because I had no way in a million years, everybody said, no way you're going to be champ. | ||
| You're too small. | ||
| You're too short. | ||
| No way. | ||
| This guy's too big for you. | ||
| He said, this is the greatest I ever lived. | ||
| This and this is always saying this about me. | ||
| I'm like, oh, God, this guy's just souping me up. | ||
| I never thought I could achieve what he was saying. | ||
| The things he was saying were just so gigantic in my eyes at the time. | ||
| Yeah, I mean, when it all happened, And it turned out that he was true. | ||
| And you have to absorb all this when you're 20 years old. | ||
| You know, I always say this about Justin Bieber, and I don't think Justin Bieber nearly had to deal with what you had to deal with. | ||
| Your experience was so much crazier because you were not just an incredibly famous guy. | ||
| You were the baddest man on the planet. | ||
| So there was like an aura to you everywhere you went. | ||
| People wanted to see you. | ||
| 50-year-old men don't give a fuck about Justin Bieber. | ||
| No disrespect. | ||
| He's a great guy, a great singer, but he's like young girls. | ||
| For young girls, that guy's unbelievably famous, but he's been famous since he was a little kid. | ||
| That's amazing, right? | ||
| Amazing. | ||
| When people hear about him going insane, I'm like, of course he's going insane. | ||
| You have no idea what it would be like to be him and to be 17 years old and girls literally trying to break into his house to throw pussy at him. | ||
| They're coming down chimneys. | ||
| They're flying in on parachutes. | ||
| They're doing anything they can. | ||
| They just want to be around him. | ||
| And you want him to be normal? | ||
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Oh, poor Justin. | |
| Oh, man. | ||
| Poor guy. | ||
| No one can handle that. | ||
| What kind of music you're listening to? | ||
| I listen to everything, man. | ||
| I do. | ||
| I listen to a lot of classic rock, for whatever reason. | ||
| But I've been listening to a lot of Kanye West over the last few weeks. | ||
| Tell me, what's he talking about? | ||
| Kanye? | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| Well, he's talking about a lot of crazy shit. | ||
| He actually talked about DMT in one of his recent songs. | ||
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Really? | |
| You think he did that before? | ||
| I think he did. | ||
| Oh, man. | ||
| Well, I know he's friends with Kid Cudi. | ||
| Kid Cudi's been in here, and Kid Cudi's had some psychedelic experiences. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| Once you go there, it's just, you don't want to do nothing else again. | ||
| Well, it puts it all in the perspective. | ||
| It lets you see that as much as this thing seems to be important, this is all temporary and you're a part of forever. | ||
| And it also allows you to become comfortable with death. | ||
| Yeah, you know who said that? | ||
| Larry Hagman. | ||
| Remember that guy Dallas from J.R. from Dallas? | ||
| He did an interview with CNN once. | ||
| And I Dream of Jeannie as well. | ||
| Yeah, that's right. | ||
| He sprung it on him on CNN once. | ||
| He was talking about how he did acid. | ||
| He took a big dose of acid and he's never worried about death ever again. | ||
| That it just alleviated his worry about passing on. | ||
| That's why I felt the same way. | ||
| It doesn't matter anymore. | ||
| I think DNT, even more specifically, because they think it might be. | ||
| Yeah, why does it affect the mind that way? | ||
| What causes it to affect the mind that way? | ||
| They don't totally know. | ||
| That it makes it visually visualize everything. | ||
| They don't totally know. | ||
| They know that your brain makes it. | ||
| They know that your body makes it, they should say. | ||
| They know that it's producing your liver and their lungs, and there's some evidence now because they found it in rats that the pineal gland produces it, which is like, that's the third eye of Eastern mysticism. | ||
| That gland actually, in rats, they've proven, produces DMT, and they think it does so in people, too. | ||
| You know, once I did, I wanted to do it again and again and again. | ||
| And they said, you shouldn't do it too much, Mike, but I was like, man, I gotta, you know, grasp what's going on here. | ||
| Why am I feeling this? | ||
| Why did this, in a weird way, like, humbled you? | ||
| I don't think you should listen to the people who say you shouldn't do it too much. | ||
| I think you should do it as much as you want. | ||
| That's what I agree with, too. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| I agree. | ||
| You could handle it. | ||
| If you could handle being Mike Tyson, you could handle doing DMT issues. | ||
| DMT, yeah, that's where I think I'm going. | ||
| I think I'm going in that direction. | ||
| Well, I mean, it's not something you should do all day, every day, but you can learn a lot from it. | ||
| And it's very beneficial and very strange that it's illegal. | ||
| You know, it's illegal. | ||
| Yeah, I noticed that. | ||
| Even though, like, Terrence McKenna had a joke about it, because your body's making it, so everybody's holding. | ||
| We all have it. | ||
| You know, it's illegal, but it's like making blood illegal. | ||
| Everybody has it. | ||
| Isn't it wild when they go to Scenari Desert and they find these totes? | ||
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Yeah. | |
| Yeah. | ||
| Yeah, I've never experienced it from the toad. | ||
| I've only experienced it on television. | ||
| Oh, the way they extract it? | ||
| Yeah, they grab them and they squeeze it. | ||
| They bust its pimples and they bust it on a glass of marrow and then they take it off and they let it harden. | ||
| Yeah, they let it dry in the sun. | ||
| They scrape it off with a razor blade. | ||
| Yes. | ||
| I've only had it synthetically made in a laboratory. | ||
| You used to be able to buy it online. | ||
| You used to be able to buy like a fucking can of it, like this big, enough to get like a whole state high. | ||
| You just buy it online. | ||
| It was totally legal. | ||
| Incredible. | ||
| Yeah, it's weird. | ||
| It's bizarre that it's illegal. | ||
| Well, they would say not for human consumption, but I don't know what the fuck you're doing with it if you're not using it for human consumption. | ||
| But you used to be able to buy it. | ||
| I've never felt anything like that before. | ||
| No, nothing like that. | ||
| Makes me not want to do anything. | ||
| Nothing else can supersede that. | ||
| How long ago did it happen? | ||
| Around two months ago. | ||
| Yeah? | ||
| Did you write down what happened after it happened or did you record it? | ||
| No, I wish I did. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| I wish I did. | ||
| Yeah, me too. | ||
| It goes away like a dream, right? | ||
| It comes off, you know, you're so scared, you know, it starts off like this to me, like, no, no, no, yeah! | ||
| That's how I start, no, I don't want to beat it, I start, hey, I want this to stop now, and the guy's like, hey, you're on the ride, and I'm like, no, no, no, yeah! | ||
| I love it, I love you, I love you, I love you! | ||
| Yeah, love everybody. | ||
| Yeah, so spassed out. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| Did you have a hard time letting go? | ||
| At the beginning, I was fighting it. | ||
| I was saying, stop! | ||
| I wanted to stop now! | ||
| Just jump, stop this shit now! | ||
| Stop, and the guy was like, hey, the show, I'm like, I can't do it, gotta go for the ride, dude. | ||
| And it was like, oh, man, it's like I'm dying, things are going in my face, I'm seeing the Aztec things, I'm seeing... | ||
| I'm just seeing weird animals. | ||
| It's like another chamber. | ||
| It's boom, flashing. | ||
| And you're gone. | ||
| It's like a rocket. | ||
| You're taking off. | ||
| Yeah, it's beyond your imagination. | ||
| Yeah, death is inconceivable. | ||
| Can't even explain it to no one. | ||
| Well, I'm hoping that they start with psilocybin because I know MAPS, they're doing some great work with that, trying to get these things legalized, especially they're doing MDMA studies with veterans and people with PTSD and they're having great results. | ||
| They're moving into psilocybin. | ||
| They would love to get psilocybin legal, and it's up for ballot. | ||
| I think it was in Oregon. | ||
| Is that where it is? | ||
| I think Oregon is up for legalization this year, and it may be eventually in California as well. | ||
| How are you going to go do with that? | ||
| It should be legal. | ||
| It doesn't kill anybody. | ||
| It's not a bad thing if they regulate it, if they make it for therapeutic use and just set up centers where experts can show. | ||
| But they shouldn't make it prohibitive for people to own it or even grow their own. | ||
| It's not a bad idea to set up places where people can do it under a professional's care, a shaman's care, a physician's care. | ||
| That's a good idea. | ||
| But making it illegal is a bad idea because it helps a lot of people. | ||
| You know, people think of it as a party drug. | ||
| They think you're going to do mushrooms and freak out and go fucking run around naked. | ||
| Ah, what's on mushrooms? | ||
| Oh, you do mushrooms. | ||
| I love mushrooms. | ||
| I love mushrooms. | ||
| Well, psilocybin and DMT are very closely related chemically. | ||
| All those really potent psychedelic drugs are very closely related. | ||
| They all break down in some similar path inside your brain and give you that weird ego-dissolving experience. | ||
| Yeah, most of the drugs you do are most ego-enhancing. | ||
| Right, like Coke. | ||
| Yeah, you're like, the baddest mother... | ||
| You're just gone, man. | ||
| Yeah, you know, you've never had coffee. | ||
| I've never had Coke. | ||
| Never? | ||
| Never. | ||
| Oh, man. | ||
| Bad exchange, huh? | ||
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No, you didn't miss out on nothing, man. | |
| Yeah, that one I ducked. | ||
| When I was in high school, my friend's cousin used to sell it. | ||
| And he wasted away to nothing. | ||
| Him and his girlfriend would hang out in the attic, never come out. | ||
| They would just sell coke and watch TV. It was bad. | ||
| It was like a vampire bit him. | ||
| Oh, man. | ||
| Once you get in that kind of vicious cycle, it's a wrap. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| So I ducked it. | ||
| I ducked it early. | ||
| Never did coke. | ||
| Man. | ||
| When was the first time you did coke? | ||
| I don't know. | ||
| I was a kid. | ||
| 11, 12. Shit. | ||
| I got involved with drugs early in life. | ||
| Wow. | ||
| That's crazy. | ||
| 11, 12. Yeah. | ||
| I was still living in Brownsville, Brooklyn when I first did coke game. | ||
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Wow. | |
| That's a crazy age. | ||
| Listen, I would never let my children... | ||
| I have a 10-year-old daughter and 8-year-olds. | ||
| I would never let them live the life that I live. | ||
| I would hate that. | ||
| I would always fight so hard. | ||
| I never want them to be in the environment that I grew up in. | ||
| Yeah, of course. | ||
| Well, you know, you have the benefit of having gone through it. | ||
| You know, no one else could ever understand... | ||
| How difficult any of your life must have been for you. | ||
| It's got to be one of the harder things. | ||
| When you did that documentary, it's an amazing documentary. | ||
| When you're very honest, you're very honest and you're very open about all your experiences. | ||
| And the one thing I took away after that, like, no one can understand. | ||
| You could hear a guy talk like this. | ||
| I could hear you say these things. | ||
| I could see the videos of your fights, see the videos of your experience. | ||
| But to understand the life that you lived, it's impossible. | ||
| It's just a guess. | ||
| It's like a guess for someone like me from the outside. | ||
| It's just really interesting. | ||
| I used to look at it and think about this young kid from Brooklyn, New York, comes to Custom Auto at 13, 12, and all of a sudden, I have a low self-esteem. | ||
| This guy gives me this big fucking ego. | ||
| You know what I mean? | ||
| I live by the rules of that ego and I've accomplished so much. | ||
| And a dominator ego. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| You're set to have confidence. | ||
| Oh, all about destroying people. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| You could be a lawyer, you're 200 pounds, I'm staring you down. | ||
| It was a weird environment growing up that way. | ||
| You know, because we as people, we try to avoid fights. | ||
| You know what I mean? | ||
| Right. | ||
| From my instincts, we avoid fights for all our lives. | ||
| And just to be able, this is what you do, like you're a UFC guy, you're a fighter, this is what you do for a job, a lifestyle. | ||
| That's pretty bizarre. | ||
| But you were getting positive reinforcement from thinking like that for the first time in your life. | ||
| Oh, absolutely. | ||
| Absolutely. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| Never felt like that before. | ||
| It was like taking a big drug, you lose your years, boom, it felt like you're the man. | ||
| Then everybody's telling you you're great. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| You know? | ||
| For the first time in your life. | ||
| Never understood that. | ||
| And you know what else the custom model used to do with me? | ||
| He used to take me to a hypnotist. | ||
| He was a hypnotist as well. | ||
| The hypnotist motions. | ||
| What kind of shit do they make you do? | ||
| And how they do it? | ||
| You relax, you go under, you totally focus on blackness, nothingness. | ||
| Right. | ||
| You go under and you're just being this savage, intelligent animal. | ||
| You're just working. | ||
| You're going to do this. | ||
| You're going to be a ferocious animal. | ||
| You're going to fight both hands to the body. | ||
| You're going to use your jab. | ||
| You're going to do this in ferocious fashion. | ||
| And they seeked all that in me as I was younger. | ||
| And you were like 12, 13 years old? | ||
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Yeah. | |
| Wow. | ||
| So they're putting you under and just teaching you that mindset. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| Whoa. | ||
| Did he give you any advice on how to shut it off? | ||
| No. | ||
| No. | ||
| He was probably like, I don't have any time. | ||
| He was probably like, I don't have any time. | ||
| The kid's 13. How old was Cuss at the time? | ||
| He was like 70. So shit, there's no time. | ||
| There's no time. | ||
| I'm not going to teach him the off switch. | ||
| Just hit the gas. | ||
| That's what it was, the gas. | ||
| We're going to destroy these guys. | ||
| These guys are in our way of, you know what I mean, greatness, glory. | ||
| It's one of the hardest things that many fighters that I've watched over the years have the problem of shutting it off. | ||
| Like turning it on and living like that and just wanting to be a dominator, but then learning how to be a father, learning how to be a friend. | ||
| Man, my first lifetime with children and stuff, trying to do this stuff, man, I felt so disastrous. | ||
| You know, it was just, I had no idea what I was doing to her. | ||
| I had no idea what arena I was stepping into. | ||
| It was just, it was just disasters. | ||
| I find out I spend most of my adult life now apologizing to my kids, you know what I mean? | ||
| Yeah, yeah, I can imagine. | ||
| From being such a horrible father. | ||
| Do you think they understand the shit that you were going through? | ||
| I have no idea what they understand. | ||
| No, I don't understand. | ||
| I try to basically make sure that part of my life is empty now. | ||
| I live a different life for my kids, my family now. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| Well, that's beautiful. | ||
| It's beautiful that you, like Tom was saying earlier, you have a lot of self-reflection. | ||
| You've managed to look at your life and find out what has value to you, what helps you. | ||
| You always have to do self-evaluation. | ||
| I'm just a strong believer in that. | ||
| Somebody has to check you. | ||
| You have to check yourself. | ||
| I agree. | ||
| Especially a guy like you who's been checked. | ||
| Your ego's been checked. | ||
| Your life has been checked. | ||
| You've had so many down moments as well as up moments. | ||
| You've had the full ride of experiences. | ||
| I never thought I would survive with my ego being checked. | ||
| I had no idea that that wasn't what it was about. | ||
| So you thought if your ego checked, you would go away? | ||
| Probably nothing without my ego. | ||
| Wow. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| I mean, it makes sense when you're going through all that hypnosis when you're 12 and 13 years old. | ||
| That's a crazy thing to do to a kid because it was super effective. | ||
| I had no idea, but I wanted to do it so bad. | ||
| I wanted to succeed so bad. | ||
| You could tell. | ||
| I watched a video of you real recently. | ||
| You were about 16, 17 years old, and you were sparring with some big guy who was a professional heavyweight. | ||
| What was fascinating to me about it wasn't just watching you move around when you were young and still learning, but it was also you were upset at yourself after it was over. | ||
| You didn't think it went well. | ||
| And I was like... | ||
| I don't remember that. | ||
| You don't remember? | ||
| It was an interesting video, man. | ||
| You were like, it didn't go well. | ||
| I could tell it didn't go well. | ||
| I was a sick perfectionist when I was a kid. | ||
| That's what I was going to say. | ||
| It seemed like it. | ||
| Like, you were obsessed. | ||
| That's my whole life. | ||
| That's all I did was look at boxing, watch boxing, read about fighters. | ||
| It was all about fighters. | ||
| Fighters were my gods. | ||
| Fighters? | ||
| Oh, you know that guy? | ||
| That's a fighter. | ||
| That's why I want to be around them. | ||
| Be that groupie. | ||
| That's another amazing occurrence. | ||
| Imagine that you also knew Jim Jacobs in that fucking fight library that guy had. | ||
| That's what I did was watch films over there. | ||
| It's amazing. | ||
| This is pre-VHS, right? | ||
| People had VHS, but not many. | ||
| Those fights weren't on VHS. No way. | ||
| Remember before, if you missed a fight, you weren't going to see it again. | ||
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| Then we had to tape him. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| And Jim Jacobs, he kept those things on like a regular old projector type thing. | ||
| If you listen to the voiceover on some of those old fights, it's Jim Jacobs. | ||
| Yeah, it's him doing commentary on some of the old fights that didn't have any volume to them. | ||
| Now you study all these guys all day and all night. | ||
| You study them. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| It was through you that I learned about a lot of fighters. | ||
| When you would talk about Jack Dempsey, talk about different fighters from the old days, I learned about a lot of those guys from you. | ||
| I went back and watched some of those tapes and now it's beautiful. | ||
| Now you can just get on YouTube and you can see whatever you want. | ||
| Everything. | ||
| See all of it. | ||
| But to go back and watch some of those old tapes. | ||
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That's awesome. | |
| Go back to my office and present if we're going to see this show. | ||
| Yeah, exactly. | ||
| We're going to see this show. | ||
| Exactly. | ||
| I can't wait. | ||
| I want you to come by to the ranch. | ||
| I would love to. | ||
| I'm in. | ||
| Productive. | ||
| It's going to be awesome. | ||
| So you said 2022? | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| So four years from now? | ||
| Three years from now? | ||
| It's going to be pretty awesome. | ||
| Yeah, that's awesome. | ||
| Well, the plans look amazing. | ||
| How long have you guys been working towards this? | ||
| Hey, listen, we had seen the property and then we purchased it and we were just overwhelmed with it. | ||
| I don't know, maybe a year ago? | ||
| Maybe a year or so, a year and a half or so. | ||
| Are you going to have a gym up there? | ||
| Hey, I never thought, but we will have the wellness center. | ||
| Dude, how great would it be if you taught a boxing class every now and then? | ||
| I don't know about all that stuff, though, but we got to hang out there and work out. | ||
| Just a fun boxing class, like hitting the heavy bag. | ||
| You don't have to get people beating each other up. | ||
| Do you know how much people would pay to smoke weed and come learn how to box from you? | ||
| That's going to be awesome. | ||
| They can smoke weed with me. | ||
| That would be cool. | ||
| Do you smoke weed with people, just regular folks? | ||
| Yeah, I smoke weed. | ||
| I always try to get my wife to smoke with me. | ||
| She doesn't smoke? | ||
| Yeah, she smokes. | ||
| Only at nighttime. | ||
| She can't function during the daytime. | ||
| Oh, right, right. | ||
| She does things during the day. | ||
| Well, I would imagine if I was a mother, it would be very hard to get high because I'd get paranoid. | ||
| Yeah, of course she doesn't do it during the day. | ||
| At nighttime, it's different. | ||
| Smoked a little weed, relaxed. | ||
| Hey, did you ever do any fighting? | ||
| I did kickboxing and Taekwondo tournaments. | ||
| I was pretty good at Taekwondo. | ||
| I won a bunch of state championships and won a few national tournaments. | ||
| When did you know you wanted to get physical with another human being and do this stuff? | ||
| You can't be in the right frame of mind to want to do this stuff. | ||
| You've got to realize that. | ||
| I was very scared. | ||
| People that do this stuff are not in the right frame of mind. | ||
| And that's dealing with fear drives you insane. | ||
| To deal with that drives people insane. | ||
| I was insane during my career. | ||
| You're madly insane from fear. | ||
| Yeah, obviously I never went through anything like the level that you went through, but for these full contact taekwondo fights, I was always scared. | ||
| But I was scared before that. | ||
| I was bullied. | ||
| I moved around a lot. | ||
| I was a little kid. | ||
| I was never very big. | ||
| And we moved from New Jersey to San Francisco when I was seven, from San Francisco to Florida when I was 11, Florida to Boston when I was 14 or 13. So it's just always moving to new schools, always dealing with new kids, and I wasn't big, and I didn't know how to fight, and I got picked on, and I didn't like it. | ||
| So I said, I want to figure out how to fight. | ||
| And so I started getting into martial arts, and I just became obsessed with it. | ||
| I did it every day. | ||
| I started teaching. | ||
| I was teaching at Boston University. | ||
| I was teaching the Taekwondo course when I was 19. I was competing from the time I was 15. I just threw myself into it. | ||
| It's all I did every day. | ||
| I worked at the school. | ||
| I was there every day. | ||
| I had the keys. | ||
| I closed up. | ||
| I opened up. | ||
| And because of you, because of hearing about you, when you were running in the morning, when you knew that everybody else was asleep, that gave you an edge, I'd go there in the middle of the night and open up and work out. | ||
| I just wanted to just have an edge. | ||
| And I listened to what you said, and I said, that's a great way to have an edge. | ||
| I became obsessed with it. | ||
| But there was no future in it. | ||
| And then... | ||
| What happened was I went from Taekwondo to kickboxing, and when I started kickboxing, I started getting fucked up. | ||
| Dudes were beating the shit out of me because I was realizing I can't keep people at the same distance anymore because I didn't know how to use my hands properly. | ||
| I knew how to throw some punches a little bit from Taekwondo, but it's not nearly as sophisticated as boxing or kickboxing. | ||
| And so then I started kickboxing training, and then I started realizing there's no future in this. | ||
| What am I doing? | ||
| I'm just getting my brains beat in. | ||
| Hard sparring too. | ||
| The sparring was rough. | ||
| It was Boston style. | ||
| Put the gloves on. | ||
| Beat the shit out of each other. | ||
| Figure it out as you go along. | ||
| Yeah, you ain't go like shit. | ||
| Figure it out as you go along. | ||
| Figure it out as you go along. | ||
| So a lot of headaches. | ||
| But it was... | ||
| It was hard for me to shut that part of me off, the part of me that just wanted to conquer, the part of me that just wanted to win all the time, to figure out a way to be more intense, more driven, more focused. | ||
| But when I did stop fighting, it was a huge relief. | ||
| The relief part was worth the extra anxiety that I got. | ||
| It was worth it just for the relief of not thinking about fighting all the time, not thinking about when's the next tournament, when's the next event, when's the next thing I'm doing. | ||
| It was just that weight. | ||
| Well, for you, it had to be way crazier because not only is it the weight, it's the heavyweight championship of the world. | ||
| I always wanted to make my mentor happy. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| That was my goal, to make him happy all the time. | ||
| When he died, was it weird not having a person like that in your life? | ||
| Oh man, it was so... | ||
| Man, it was just emptiness. | ||
| It was just... | ||
| And then people who we thought were our friends and that we said were going to be good to it, they just started... | ||
| When he died, they just started going in for the kill. | ||
| They just wanted to grasp me for means. | ||
| Well, it seemed like you and Kevin Rooney had a good combination at the beginning. | ||
| When he died, when Cuss died... | ||
| We didn't know what we were going to do. | ||
| They were thinking about getting rid of Kevin or something. | ||
| I was thinking, I didn't want to be with nobody else. | ||
| I was comfortable with Kevin in the style and the way we were working. | ||
| I didn't want to be with nobody else. | ||
| I said, no, let's just keep Kevin. | ||
| Yeah, and Kevin was a great trainer, too. | ||
| For me, he was. | ||
| Very well-respected trainer. | ||
| Yeah, it was a good relationship, like the way it worked in the beginning, it looked like. | ||
| But then, like all things, you know? | ||
| Kevin used to train me and then fight, and I'm fighting on his undercard. | ||
| Oh, really? | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| Wow. | ||
| Wow. | ||
| Was he training you before Cuss died as well? | ||
| Well, yeah. | ||
| How many years before Cuss died was he holding the mitts for you? | ||
| Just a couple. | ||
| But he knew you well? | ||
| Yes. | ||
| He knew the style well. | ||
| Did he watch fights with you as well? | ||
| Or were you watching those fights by yourself? | ||
| Every now and then we were watching fights. | ||
| Once we started training with each other, we started watching fights together. | ||
| Because that was the other thing, too. | ||
| Your style, the way you would come out, was so reminiscent of old fighters. | ||
| When you'd come out with no socks on, black shoes. | ||
| That was wild. | ||
| My mind, I'm thinking, was all about gladiator and being tough. | ||
| I would never think, I look at it now, look at that silly little kid. | ||
| What does that silly kid think he's tough? | ||
| I would think this guy thinks he's tough. | ||
| Well, you were tough, man. | ||
| I know what you're saying. | ||
| I know what you're saying, but you were. | ||
| When you fought Marvis Frazier on, what is that, ABC World of Sports? | ||
| Yeah, remember those days ABC had fights? | ||
| I remember watching that fight going, holy shit. | ||
| Holy shit. | ||
| That was like being locked into a ring with a tornado. | ||
| That was wild days. | ||
| Yeah, that was a tough kid. | ||
| That was your peak. | ||
| That was when it was peak scary. | ||
| You know, you were coming up and everybody was just terrified. | ||
| It's just a wild thing to watch, man. | ||
| To be a part of it? | ||
| To be you? | ||
| Yeah, I wanted to make my mentor real happy though. | ||
| That's my main goal in fighting. | ||
| It's a powerful goal. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| Did you ever try to go back and get hypnotized after all that's over to try to maybe calm down that part of your mind that they turned on? | ||
| No, I never did. | ||
| The toe, I think, helped me out. | ||
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The toe? | |
| Yeah, none of that stuff would help me out. | ||
| Did weed help you out at all? | ||
| Pretty much, you know what I mean? | ||
| But I had to do it every day. | ||
| I had to do it all the time. | ||
| I had to do it all the time then. | ||
| If I went to another country and I didn't have my weed, I'd be insane. | ||
| I'd say, what? | ||
| No weed? | ||
| I got to be here a couple of days, a week, a month? | ||
| Get the hell out of here. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| The rest of the world will catch up eventually. | ||
| They'll catch up eventually. | ||
| It's slowly happening. | ||
| We were talking about it before the show started, that just a few years ago, if you smoked weed, you felt like you were a criminal. | ||
| Yeah, you had to hide it all the time, look around. | ||
| You're looking around, look at a cop. | ||
| It's still like that in New York. | ||
| I was in New York recently. | ||
| We had to hide weed. | ||
| That's crazy. | ||
| It's still illegal there. | ||
| I'm like, how is this New York City in 2019? | ||
| So antiquated, right? | ||
| It's so stupid. | ||
| It just doesn't make any sense. | ||
| Especially when, like, we're both high right now. | ||
| Man, the kite. | ||
| It's fine. | ||
| Everything's good. | ||
| Having a nice conversation. | ||
| Beautiful. | ||
| I agree. | ||
| I totally agree. | ||
| How many fights did Jim Jacobs have in that library? | ||
| I don't know. | ||
| Thousands of them, man. | ||
| I watched thousands. | ||
| Guys fighting in 1898. I watched them all. | ||
| Wow. | ||
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| Who were standouts for you outside of the stand? | ||
| Obviously, Jack Johnson. | ||
| Yeah, he was awesome, too. | ||
| He was just amazing. | ||
| He was ahead of his time fighting. | ||
| There's also little guys like Tony Cantaneri, Henry Armstrong, Barney Ross, guys like that. | ||
| Benny Leonard. | ||
| These guys are just... | ||
| They evolved boxing to the level where it can evolve to now. | ||
| They were superstars in their time. | ||
| Who was that crazy middleweight who went up to fight Jack Johnson and dropped him? | ||
| Yeah, Stanley Ketchum. | ||
| That's right. | ||
| He's a badass. | ||
| That motherfucker could punch. | ||
| Yeah, he's a badass. | ||
| He got killed. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| By a guy's crime. | ||
| Yeah, because he stole this guy's girlfriend. | ||
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| And he was a tough guy. | ||
| I was like, what are you going to do about it? | ||
| Beat the guy up. | ||
| He disrespected the guy. | ||
| And the guy came back and shot him. | ||
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| Standing kitchen was a real wild and crazy guy. | ||
| Well, most of the greats were. | ||
| Yeah, he was wild. | ||
| But feel it. | ||
| Didn't feel anyone. | ||
| When you talk about your life and the way you were living, if you go back to most of the greats, like Roberto Duran, he was a wild motherfucker too. | ||
| He was beautiful. | ||
| It was beautiful. | ||
| He had rhythm with it. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| There's so many of the greats were just wild, wild people. | ||
| I think it's that fear that brings that out of you. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| But then there were some greats that were just real disciplined. | ||
| Like Marvin Hagler is my best example for that. | ||
| When I was a kid growing up in Boston, Hagler was the middleweight champion of the world. | ||
| And I used to see, they used to have video of him running. | ||
| They played it on the news. | ||
| He was running on the, there was the dunes, sand dunes in Cape Cod in the winter, freezing cold, with a hoodie on, running, screaming, war, war! | ||
| Crazy, right? | ||
| Oh, it was amazing. | ||
| Marvin Hagler made you want to just get out of your house and go running in the snow. | ||
| You know, he was so disciplined. | ||
| That was the thing that I always got out of watching him. | ||
| Wasn't that he was so wild. | ||
| He was so mentally strong. | ||
| He had an iron chin. | ||
| And his discipline was impeccable. | ||
| He was just constantly training. | ||
| Never out of shape. | ||
| Never got fat. | ||
| Always doing sit-ups and push-ups. | ||
| He was a ferocious animal racer. | ||
| Body. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| Oh, he was chiseled. | ||
| He was a machine. | ||
| That fight with Tommy Hearns. | ||
| Oh, man. | ||
| That was beautiful. | ||
| That was one of the greatest middleweight encounters of all time. | ||
| I remember that fight. | ||
| Chaos. | ||
| I mean, it's skillful. | ||
| We didn't know what was going to happen. | ||
| We thought they were going to stop the fight. | ||
| I thought they were going to stop the fight. | ||
| Tommy Hearns was going to be the winner. | ||
| As skillful as they were, they decided to just smash. | ||
| Just get into the center and fucking fight. | ||
| There was no, like, Tommy Hearns should have tried to use his jab, boxing the outside. | ||
| You're not going to keep Marvin Hagler off you. | ||
| You can't keep Marvin Hagler off you. | ||
| Marvin Hagler turned into a dogfight. | ||
| If you don't try to take him out, it's almost crazy. | ||
| You can't box him like that. | ||
| You know, Sugar Ray Leonard did that, but they weren't at their prime then. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| I wanted to see those two guys in their primaries go at it. | ||
| Yeah, Sugar Ray Leonard, especially when he fought Hagler, he fought Hagler smart. | ||
| Stay the fuck away. | ||
| Yeah, exactly. | ||
| I heard the craziest rumor. | ||
| Tell me if this is the craziest rumor. | ||
| That Marvin Hagler decided to bet on himself for that fight, knew that he was going to lose. | ||
| They had it set up and then retired and went to Italy. | ||
| That's a ridiculous rumor, right? | ||
| Hey, I don't know what anybody did, but I never heard anything like that. | ||
| You never heard that one? | ||
| No. | ||
| But he's one of the most interesting end of careers ever. | ||
| I heard rumors that he didn't fight the fight that he should have fought that he knew he should have fought. | ||
| Right. | ||
| You know what I mean? | ||
| Well, the rumor was he went to Italy because the mob set everything up. | ||
| Something to that effect. | ||
| He went to Italy and became a giant movie star. | ||
| But he's the only guy that I can think of in recent memory that literally went out on top. | ||
| Had this unbelievably close fight with Sugar Ray Leonard. | ||
| A lot of people think he could have won that fight. | ||
| Very close decision. | ||
| And then says, that's it. | ||
| See ya. | ||
| I'm done. | ||
| Everybody comes back. | ||
| Marvin Hadley never came back. | ||
| I guess at one time, that's your whole life. | ||
| I'm surprised I never came back, because that was just my whole life. | ||
| That was my whole identity. | ||
| You know what I mean? | ||
| But when you did retire, and when you retired in the ring, that was the most honest retirement speech I've ever heard a boxer give, ever. | ||
| You're just like, I don't have this in me anymore. | ||
| No, I just wasn't in there anymore. | ||
| That was pretty bizarre for myself, because this is what I based my life on doing. | ||
| When I first started doing it, I said I'm going to dedicate my life to this stuff. | ||
| You have to see that it's no longer going to happen. | ||
| It's pretty weird. | ||
| When did you know that you didn't want to do it anymore? | ||
| I've known years before that, but I was still being very successful. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| Like, when? | ||
| Like, what year? | ||
| Do you remember around when you started thinking it? | ||
| I remember. | ||
| Probably around, what, the 2000 area? | ||
| So, by the time... | ||
| That's post-Holyfield? | ||
| Yeah, after all. | ||
| And you had done too much. | ||
| I was just winning them, just winning, beating guys. | ||
| You know, guys get hit or something, and some guys be so scared. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| What did you have in mind? | ||
| Like, that's the hardest thing, right? | ||
| To swing from that to the next thing. | ||
| Like, how do you take this crazy, exciting life? | ||
| I don't know. | ||
| I just decided, listen, let me just get high for a while. | ||
| And figure this out. | ||
| That was the plan? | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| Let me party for a while and figure this stuff out. | ||
| What did you figure out? | ||
| That I wanted to do other things. | ||
| So I started my wife... | ||
| Arranged for me to be this lesbian on stage. | ||
| She created the live show? | ||
| Yeah, yeah. | ||
| That's a brilliant idea. | ||
| Because you're also the first fighter that ever did that. | ||
| Because many fighters have great stories. | ||
| But very few of them have ever, I don't think anybody besides you, has ever put it into a theatrical thing. | ||
| Man, it's just amazing. | ||
| We did it in Monaco. | ||
| We did it in Rome. | ||
| We did it in a amount of various places. | ||
| And I just can't believe that people want to see that stuff. | ||
| Well, like I said, the documentary was amazing. | ||
| So people wanted to hear the live version of you talking about it and to see you live in person. | ||
| Because the first time we did it... | ||
| The first time we did it on Broadway, that is, right? | ||
| We were really not sure about how it was going to turn out. | ||
| So we invited all of our friends. | ||
| We had tickets and gave all of our friends and people we love, our names, and we brought them to the show. | ||
| And so when we started, they started laughing. | ||
| Everybody started laughing. | ||
| I ran to my wife. | ||
| I ran up and said, baby, what's going on? | ||
| Is everything okay? | ||
| You know, I didn't want the show to be a comedy. | ||
| It turned out to be a comedy. | ||
| It was supposed to be a hard, gritty show about a tough guy that made it through his toughness. | ||
| And it just came up about me just talking about myself, how much a smug I am. | ||
| And they loved it. | ||
| I think that was part of it. | ||
| Everybody knew you were this tough guy, but they didn't know that you could be so self-deprecating and have so much fun with it all. | ||
| That's why people loved it. | ||
| They're doing the writing for my movie and stuff. | ||
| I haven't seen it in anything, but it's going to be pretty wild. | ||
| Who's playing you in a movie? | ||
| I don't know, there's been various people, but most likely you want Jamie Foxx to do it. | ||
| He could do it. | ||
| He could do anything. | ||
| He could do anything, right? | ||
| Anything. | ||
| That guy could be the fucking President of the United States. | ||
| He could be a pilot that goes to the moon. | ||
| He could do whatever the fuck he wants. | ||
| I want him to do it, yeah. | ||
| He could do whatever he wants. | ||
| He'll probably bulk up like crazy, too, to do it. | ||
| It's gonna be really wild. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| Jamie could pull it off. | ||
| Michael Jai White pulled it off. | ||
| Huh? | ||
| Michael Jai White. | ||
| He can't do it like Jamie, I don't think. | ||
| I don't know. | ||
| I thought he didn't do a bad guy. | ||
| A lot of people didn't like what he did, but I thought he did a good job. | ||
| I think he did a good job. | ||
| I loved him in Spawn. | ||
| He's a great guy. | ||
| Do you know him well? | ||
| No. | ||
| He's a great guy. | ||
| Great guy. | ||
| Very smart guy. | ||
| Very humble guy. | ||
| Really, really intelligent. | ||
| And a great martial artist, too. | ||
| Michael Jai White. | ||
| There's a Kilkishin karate black belt. | ||
| Did he fight in the UFC? No. | ||
| When he was fighting, there was no UFC around, but he did a lot of karate tournaments and stuff. | ||
| He's very good. | ||
| I've watched him train before. | ||
| He's legit. | ||
| Very legit. | ||
| But like I said, real, real good guy. | ||
| But yeah, I agree. | ||
| Jamie Foxx, man. | ||
| Jamie Foxx is on another planet. | ||
| He's just got this level of competence and skill and artistry in his singing, in his comedy, in his acting. | ||
| He could do anything. | ||
| He could play you. | ||
| Is he gonna hang out with you for a while? | ||
| I don't know what he's gonna do. | ||
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| He's gotta hang out with you. | ||
| He's gonna be pretty awesome. | ||
| He's gotta hang out with you. | ||
| Gotta absorb it, right? | ||
| Yeah, let's see how that works out. | ||
| Are you going to be his consultant? | ||
| Are you going to be like, bitch, I would have never said that. | ||
| I would like to say that, yeah. | ||
| I'd like to be a consultant. | ||
| But for some reason, they have their Hollywood ways of doing things. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| You know what I mean? | ||
| They make it come out Hollywood-ish, I guess. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| It's just really wild how they try to switch it to appear presentable. | ||
| Right. | ||
| Yeah, they try to change the story. | ||
| And you know what else I realized, too? | ||
| From a Hollywood perspective, some things that are real are just still unbelievable. | ||
| Yeah, by itself. | ||
| Yeah, some things that really is unbelievable. | ||
| Yeah, well, do you know that movie, Foxcatcher? | ||
| Did you know that movie? | ||
| Yeah, the wrestling movie. | ||
| I remember that story of the young guy. | ||
| I remember that. | ||
| Yeah, that guy, Mark Schultz. | ||
| It was Dave Schultz and Mark Schultz. | ||
| Dave Schultz is the one who got murdered. | ||
| Mark Schultz is the guy who fought in the UFC. Here's what's crazy about that movie. | ||
| I don't know how much of that movie is accurate. | ||
| I don't know. | ||
| I wasn't there. | ||
| But what I do know is the one thing that I for sure know happened, they changed. | ||
| When he fought in the UFC, Mark only fought in the UFC once. | ||
| He fought a guy named Big Daddy Goodrich. | ||
| Gary Big Daddy Goodrich. | ||
| Black guy, right? | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| I know who that is. | ||
| Big black guy wore karate gi and then eventually got rid of the gi later in his career. | ||
| But he's a legend. | ||
| Big Daddy's a legend. | ||
| In the movie, it's not Big Daddy. | ||
| In the movie, he's fighting some white guy. | ||
| It doesn't make any sense. | ||
| They changed who he's fighting. | ||
| It's a historical event. | ||
| It's like if you, for whatever reason, they decided to not have you fight Trevor Burbick, you fought someone else. | ||
| Like you fought Jerry Cooney for the title or something. | ||
| Yeah, that would be bizarre. | ||
| They'd be like, why would you change history? | ||
| I hope they don't do nothing. | ||
| I can't want to do if they do something like that. | ||
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They did it with the UFC when they did it with Foxcatcher. | |
| Right, but it doesn't make it any better. | ||
| That's what's crazy. | ||
| It doesn't make the movie any better to have him fight a Russian guy. | ||
| Doesn't make any sense. | ||
| He's known in the UFC. Especially for people like me that are in the audience that go, oh, look, look who's playing Big Daddy. | ||
| How do you do with Big Daddy? | ||
| Big Daddy's tough. | ||
| He took Big Daddy down at Will. | ||
| He did whatever he wanted to him. | ||
| He's Mark Schultz. | ||
| He was a motherfucker of a wrestler. | ||
| I mean, him and his brother were savages. | ||
| They were savages. | ||
| They were just made out of steel rope. | ||
| What was the deal with that guy? | ||
| How'd they hook up with that guy? | ||
| The guy was really, really rich. | ||
| And there's no money in amateur wrestling. | ||
| And these guys, a lot of them are really struggling. | ||
| When they're trying to make the Olympics team, I mean, they're getting by, barely. | ||
| They barely have enough money for healthy food. | ||
| And they need sponsors. | ||
| And sometimes they get sponsors, like a rich guy who owns a business, you know, he loves the Olympics, he loves wrestling, maybe he wrestled in college, and he'll take care of them, maybe get them some vitamins, maybe... | ||
| And they have various people that help them with their training and their food. | ||
| But this guy came along and said, look, I'm going to build a gigantic facility to create the best wrestling program and pay you guys all money to come and train here. | ||
| And they couldn't help it. | ||
| It's like they were poor. | ||
| They didn't know what to do. | ||
| I understand that. | ||
| Yeah, and he was a guy who was like a trust fund guy. | ||
| He got all his money from his family. | ||
| And he was just some crazy rich asshole. | ||
| And he wound up shooting one of them. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| I mean, that's what it is. | ||
| I mean, like you said, the story itself is fucking crazy enough. | ||
| The actual story. | ||
| They didn't have to change anything of it. | ||
| So I know they changed that part of it. | ||
| So who knows what else in the movie they added or changed or fucked with. | ||
| They fucked with something they didn't have to fuck with. | ||
| They went Hollywood with it in a way that they didn't have to do. | ||
| So it makes you question all the other things that happened in the movie. | ||
| That's pretty bizarre. | ||
| So for you, they can't do that. | ||
| Your life is crazy. | ||
| Insane. | ||
| You know what? | ||
| I was saying to myself, do I really want to do this stuff, man? | ||
| Do I really want to go on the screen with my life and be sincere with these people? | ||
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Yeah. | |
| I said, do I really need that? | ||
| You know, I've been thinking about that recently. | ||
| Do I really need this stuff? | ||
| And this cannabis business is getting ready to pop off and do really well. | ||
| I'm saying, I don't really... | ||
| Do I really need this money that bad? | ||
| It's not going to hurt you. | ||
| It's not going to hurt you. | ||
| It's going to help you. | ||
| Anything helps you at this point. | ||
| You're so honest that anything that you've done in the past that you're embarrassed about or shameful of, it's just better. | ||
| It's just better for you. | ||
| You made mistakes. | ||
| People can learn from them. | ||
| These are beneficial. | ||
| Watching someone like you talk about your life is beneficial for people because you learn how you can overcome these experiences, how bad things can be for you. | ||
| You learn how bad you can fuck up. | ||
| And people need to see shit like that. | ||
| It's good for civilization. | ||
| It's good for our culture. | ||
| I think so. | ||
| And plus a guy like you, who was... | ||
| Like I said, when I was a kid, you were the fucking man. | ||
| I mean, you were the fucking man. | ||
| To have a guy like you be self-deprecating, explaining, and laughing about things, it makes it even... | ||
| It sinks in more. | ||
| It's like you were saying... | ||
| We were saying about Cus D'Amato, that his wisdom is sunk in. | ||
| The gravel in his voice and the intensity in his eyes and the wisdom in his words, it sunk in. | ||
| I remembered his quotes for years afterwards because he lived so much, because he had so much. | ||
| And that's the same thing with you, man. | ||
| When you're talking about your life experiences, people listen. | ||
| They take it in because they know you lived an extraordinary life. | ||
| So they better not fuck this movie out. | ||
| Yeah, real extreme. | ||
| Extreme as it gets! | ||
| What's more extreme other than a soldier? | ||
| Those are the only people that live a more extreme life. | ||
| First responders, soldiers, firemen, police officers. | ||
| Wow. | ||
| Yeah, that's it. | ||
| I mean, they're seeing death and violence every day. | ||
| Other than them, you probably live the most extreme life ever. | ||
| Who the fuck can relate to you? | ||
| Do you ever get together with other, like, world-class pro boxers that have... | ||
| No, but the guy that do get into it, the guy you talk about, the veterans and stuff. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| They be telling me weird stuff, you know? | ||
| Oh, man. | ||
| Yeah, talk to SEALs about their time deployed. | ||
| I'm surprised they don't take themselves out. | ||
| A lot of those guys, they're on the dark side. | ||
| Well, a lot of those guys are finding some relief in the same things that you found relief in. | ||
| They find relief in DMT and other psychedelics, mushrooms. | ||
| I think that could be a great benefit to a lot of our veterans. | ||
| I believe that 100% too. | ||
| I don't know why they don't want to dabble in this stuff. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| What do you think would have happened to you if you got a hold of that stuff while you were in your prime? | ||
| I don't know. | ||
| I don't think maybe I want to be a fighter then. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| Maybe I wouldn't want to be a fighter. | ||
| Damn, DMT might have derailed it. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| I might want to love everybody. | ||
| You know, that's what makes you feel like when you come out of it, you say, I love you. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| If they love everybody. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| Well, my hope is that with great organizations like MAPS, that one day people will be able to see things, like everybody will be able to see things the way you do. | ||
| And then we'll all have this understanding of what these things are. | ||
| They're tools that can help us. | ||
| All these things. | ||
| Including marijuana. | ||
| It's a tool to help us. | ||
| You could abuse any tool. | ||
| You could abuse any tool there is. | ||
| You could take a hammer and hit yourself in the head if you're stupid. | ||
| You could abuse anything. | ||
| But you could also use it. | ||
| Build yourself a beautiful house. | ||
| And with cannabis, you could use it. | ||
| It makes you a nicer person. | ||
| It does. | ||
| It makes you more. | ||
| I feel more vulnerable. | ||
| I have more of a sense of community. | ||
| I'm always hugging people when I'm high. | ||
| I want to hug everybody. | ||
| I agree. | ||
| It's a better feeling. | ||
| It makes you feel kind. | ||
| I agree. | ||
| I like feeling kind. | ||
| What is it like for you to watch boxing these days? | ||
| It's just not in my life anymore. | ||
| You don't watch it at all? | ||
| Or did you watch Tyson Fury, Deontay Wilder? | ||
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No, I didn't watch it. | |
| I didn't watch it. | ||
| Oh, it was a great fight. | ||
| I was in the air flying when they were fighting. | ||
| Oh, really? | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| You didn't watch any of the highlights or anything? | ||
| I saw some of the highlights, yes. | ||
| How crazy is Deontay Wilder's power? | ||
| Good stuff. | ||
| Crazy, right? | ||
| Because he's built so strange. | ||
| He's 209 pounds. | ||
| How incredible is Tyson's chore? | ||
| Incredible. | ||
| Incredible. | ||
| And gets up and wins the rest of the round. | ||
| That's what's really incredible. | ||
| It's an amazing, amazing fight. | ||
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Good stuff. | |
| Yeah. | ||
| So you don't follow any of it today? | ||
| No. | ||
| That's part of my life. | ||
| I got mixed feelings with that part of my life. | ||
| A lot of stuff that I don't like about myself and stuff. | ||
| I try to forget that stuff because I'm on a whole different pattern. | ||
| So even watching other people box... | ||
| I don't even watch nothing. | ||
| I try to stay away as much as possible. | ||
| So watching other people box makes you think about yourself when you're fighting? | ||
| Reminds you of it? | ||
| Kind of, yeah. | ||
| I always say, these guys are so much nicer than I was. | ||
| You know what I mean? | ||
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These are cool guys, man. | |
| Yeah, right? | ||
| Like, who out... | ||
| Yeah, there's no one out there today that's got that mean, vicious persona anymore. | ||
| Yeah, these are nice guys. | ||
| Yeah, when you were in the ring doing a post-fight interview saying you wanted to eat your children, you wanted to eat someone's children, I remember saying, this is the craziest fucking post-fight interview. | ||
| It was about Lennox Lewis, right? | ||
| Yeah, it's a madman. | ||
| What's wrong with me? | ||
| I mean, it's a madman. | ||
| It was amazing. | ||
| It was amazing. | ||
| For the story, for the time, I mean, look, what it was was when we saw Rocky III, right? | ||
| And Mr. T was challenging Rocky, and he would say all that crazy shit about what he was going to do. | ||
| My prediction? | ||
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Pain! | |
| That was beautiful, right? | ||
| It was beautiful! | ||
| What you did is you took that and just cranked it up to 11 and threw gasoline on it and lit it on fire. | ||
| You just took that kind of ferocious shit talking. | ||
| Yeah, I look at some of those press conferences in a long time and what I'm saying to these guys, I would never talk to anybody like that. | ||
| You know, it's just such a different world now. | ||
| My world is so different now. | ||
| Do you feel when you watch that stuff that you feel almost like trapped by that past, like that you have to acknowledge it? | ||
| You don't even acknowledge it anymore? | ||
| Yeah, I'm almost a little bit like, I don't want to be involved. | ||
| I wish that never happened. | ||
| Yeah, yeah. | ||
| But it kind of had to happen for you to be who you are now. | ||
| Yeah, but no, it's because people, this is the real reason, right, Joe? | ||
| People still, people love that guy. | ||
| Yeah, yeah. | ||
| People love that. | ||
| I didn't like that guy that much. | ||
| So I have my, I'm conflicting with people that like that guy and me living my life that I am living now. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| Well, people love that guy because that guy gave them a drug, and that drug was excitement. | ||
| Like, you'd turn on the TV, like, oh shit, here we go, Michael Spinks, Mike Tyson, here we go, and boom! | ||
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Oh! | |
| That's what people wanted. | ||
| They wanted that excitement. | ||
| They knew some crazy shit was about to go down. | ||
| Unpredictable. | ||
| No one knows what's going to happen in a fight. | ||
| Is it going to be a right or a left? | ||
| Is he going to move right? | ||
| Is he going to move left? | ||
| How's it going to work out? | ||
| You don't know. | ||
| How long can Spinks last? | ||
| You don't know. | ||
| And everybody was excited. | ||
| And that's what you brought people. | ||
| You brought people this chaotic moment. | ||
| You slapped down the money in the pay-per-view. | ||
| You got out your popcorn and you waited for the rush. | ||
| The rush of excitement. | ||
| Those crazy days. | ||
| Crazy days. | ||
| Crazy. | ||
| I hate to keep bringing your head back to that, but just for me, as a kid growing up during that time, it was a big part of my becoming an adult. | ||
| It was during your era, your era of dominance. | ||
| I always look at my kids and I think, wow, these guys are pretty much... | ||
| Middle-class kids. | ||
| They live their life. | ||
| They do what they want. | ||
| They go to college and everything. | ||
| I would never want to put that pressure on my son that you have to be the total best. | ||
| You have to dominate everybody. | ||
| You're going to be the best that ever lived. | ||
| Put that kind of pressure on them. | ||
| That's incredible. | ||
| I would never do that to them. | ||
| Yeah, it would never work. | ||
| Probably. | ||
| I mean, I don't think a kid that grows up in a loving household with supportive parents... | ||
| Yeah, you guys are boxing for when you have nothing. | ||
| When you do boxing, when you just had nothing, because that's a lot of dedication, that's a lot of pain, that's a lot of aggravation. | ||
| It really is discovering who you are. | ||
| But you must be able to take pride in the fact that your children don't ever have to do that. | ||
| Oh, and that's why I took the punches, for they wouldn't have to do that. | ||
| I had my first mom. | ||
| I have this son of 16. He wanted to be a boxer. | ||
| I saw you working with him. | ||
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Get out of here! | |
| Get out of here! | ||
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You stupid! | |
| You go to private school. | ||
| You want to be a boxer and stuff? | ||
| You travel to European trips. | ||
| You do trips and all that stuff. | ||
| Vacation. | ||
| You want to be a fighter? | ||
| Get out of here! | ||
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You're a joke, man. | |
| Joke, man. | ||
| And he's really serious. | ||
| I think he's serious, man. | ||
| I don't want nobody... | ||
| What are you going to do? | ||
| Fight some guy like me? | ||
| Some animal? | ||
| I don't want my kids to go through that crap. | ||
| That's degrading. | ||
| Some guy like that beating on you. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| That's the thing. | ||
| The fuel that you had, the burning inferno inside you, you can't replicate that. | ||
| They don't understand that. | ||
| I don't know. | ||
| A lot of stuff inspires... | ||
| Shame inspires a lot of success. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| You know? | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| They don't have to deal with that kind of shame. | ||
| Right, right. | ||
| Shame, pain. | ||
| Exactly. | ||
| Feeling of being left out. | ||
| Feeling of not belonging. | ||
| If I do this, I'm going to be... | ||
| Everybody's going to love me. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| Crazy feeling. | ||
| Imagine to get people... | ||
| You want to be accepted so badly. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| Imagine that. | ||
| You want to be accepted. | ||
| People to look at you. | ||
| And all in all. | ||
| What kind of mindset is that? | ||
| That's that ego. | ||
| You want people to just look at you. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| You're a sick fuck. | ||
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- Yeah, sick, right? | |
| Yeah, sick, right. | ||
| One people look at me, look, fuck, oh man. - Yeah, but it's beautiful that you could describe it that way now. | ||
| Like, you've stepped outside of it long enough. | ||
| Do you recognize what it was when it was overcoming you? | ||
| I was a sick guy. | ||
| I used to read stories of Alexander the Great, how this guy was a god. | ||
| I said, wow! | ||
| I want to be like that! | ||
| You know, this is crazy. | ||
| It's just crazy how you get inspired to believe that you're more than what you are. | ||
| Well, it was also those feelings of conquering were giving you the first success and good feelings of your life. | ||
| And the fact that they programmed you. | ||
| I mean, that's something that I don't think a lot of people are aware of. | ||
| The hypnotism. | ||
| The hypnotism and the putting those thoughts into your mind, which were... | ||
| Hugely beneficial. | ||
| You could tap into that mind zone right before you competed. | ||
| They gave you a clear path. | ||
| They gave you a clear path to use your fury with this very analytical approach with perfect boxing technique and an amazing mentor with incredible amount of knowledge and they just let you loose. | ||
| You have to be enthusiastic. | ||
| You have to be enthusiastic. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| Bad intentions. | ||
| Yeah, being bad intentions and having enthusiasm when you're fighting. | ||
| Love every minute of it. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| Look at you. | ||
| You're getting fired up again. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| Crazy. | ||
| Do you work out anymore? | ||
| Nah, man. | ||
| I keep away from that stuff, man. | ||
| You don't even like spin class or anything? | ||
| No, all that stuff reactivates my ego. | ||
| Oh, really? | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| Oh, wow. | ||
| When I get ripped and all that stuff, I reactivate it. | ||
| That's the thing about extreme winners. | ||
| Extreme winners, that ego is hard to snuff out. | ||
| Yeah, if I activate my ego, I'm going to lose in life. | ||
| I'm going to lose. | ||
| I'm going to lose in this cannabis. | ||
| I'm going to lose everything. | ||
| What if you go jogging? | ||
| Can you go jogging? | ||
| Nah, I do my treadmill work and stuff. | ||
| Okay, treadmill. | ||
| That's it. | ||
| But if I start to think that I'm special, if I get a glimmer of that thing saying, hey, whoa, look at you. | ||
| You're better than them. | ||
| I saw a video you hit in the bag recently. | ||
| It was like a couple years ago. | ||
| Mm-hmm. | ||
| You still hit the bag? | ||
| Not anymore. | ||
| You still throw some bombs? | ||
| I do it probably for the camera and stuff. | ||
| Yeah, that's what you were doing, but I'm like, damn, you can still move. | ||
| You still have it in you, right? | ||
| I don't know. | ||
| But it's in your body. | ||
| It has to be in... | ||
| I don't want to know how to do that stuff again. | ||
| But does it feel weird, what I was going to get to, when, if you were standing in front of that heavy bag and you start rattling off combinations, and people, you start thinking, like, oh, shit. | ||
| I'm actually Mike Tyson. | ||
| Like, I was that guy. | ||
| I am that guy who went through that. | ||
| I am the youngest heavyweight champion of all time. | ||
| I am that guy that destroyed Tyrell Biggs. | ||
| I am that guy that knocked out Larry Holmes. | ||
| I'm that guy. | ||
| I look at that guy as somebody that's giving me a platform to help me forget about that guy. | ||
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Wow. | |
| Yeah. | ||
| It's beautiful that you have that mindset. | ||
| It is. | ||
| Because most people who've accomplished as much as you have, they don't want to ever let the past go. | ||
| Oh shit, let that go. | ||
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Let it go. | |
| But do you recognize that? | ||
| That's a beautiful part of your personality. | ||
| You had one of the most successful boxing careers ever, but you don't want nothing to do with it. | ||
| You don't want to acknowledge it exists. | ||
| You wish it went away. | ||
| In order to... | ||
| When you arrive to that next chapter in life, you have to forget the chapter that came before you and focus on the chapter ahead of you. | ||
| Yes. | ||
| Yes. | ||
| That's a great lesson. | ||
| And coming from you, that lesson, I think, is going to hit home with a lot of people. | ||
| You think so? | ||
| Yes. | ||
| A hundred percent. | ||
| A hundred percent. | ||
| Because you accomplished so much. | ||
| Because you were the youngest heavyweight champion of all time, because you're the baddest man on the planet, this big hero for a lot of people like me when I was growing up, to see you now say, that's then. | ||
| I'm done. | ||
| Nothing. | ||
| I don't watch it. | ||
| I don't work out it. | ||
| I'm not even a part of that anymore. | ||
| I'm concentrating on my life right now, and I'm happy, and I love people. | ||
| You know, Joe, that's really crazy. | ||
| But when you think about this, listen, you know, being that person, that guy, that sent me to psych ward a couple of times. | ||
| That sent me to so many other places. | ||
| The prison. | ||
| Wow, that sent me places. | ||
| That guy is a trip. | ||
| That guy had you in underwear holding a tiger on a chain. | ||
| Yeah, that's a trip, man. | ||
| What did you go to the psych ward for? | ||
| It's been crazy, violent. | ||
| Probably thought about hurting myself or something crazy like that. | ||
| What do they do when they take you in the psych ward? | ||
| How do they treat you? | ||
| I don't know. | ||
| It's the same way everybody treat me. | ||
| This is Mike and stuff. | ||
| No, but I mean, how do they take care of you? | ||
| What do they do for you? | ||
| I mean, how do they take Mike Tyson and calm him down? | ||
| Just give me some fucking pills, some Thorzines or something. | ||
| Zone you out. | ||
| Be like a zombie. | ||
| You're in your zombie swagger then. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| Yeah, that is what they do, huh? | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| Just calm you down medically, pharmaceutically. | ||
| It's a zombie. | ||
| Like a zombie that's looking at the television, don't know what's going on. | ||
| Well, you know what's going on, but you can't react to it. | ||
| Jesus. | ||
| And then once they got you calmed down enough, they go, all right, you can go. | ||
| I don't know. | ||
| I don't think I ever get calmed down enough. | ||
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They think it was time for me to go, and I had to go. | |
| What is a day in the life of Mike Tyson like now? | ||
| Like, what is a typical day for you? | ||
| I get up in the morning, I go to my office. | ||
| My cannabis office. | ||
| We do deals and we get investments. | ||
| And I come home at 5 o'clock and I go see my kids unless I stay at the office later. | ||
| And I come home and I hang out with my wife and my kids. | ||
| It's a really bizarre life. | ||
| We stay in Newport Beach now. | ||
| Oh, that's nice. | ||
| It's very nice. | ||
| It's very upscale, but it's very quiet, too. | ||
| Not like Las Vegas at all. | ||
| No. | ||
| And then my daughter plays tennis up there, so we're pretty much situated up there. | ||
| It's not like I said, baby, can we move to Hollywood? | ||
| No, we can't go to Beverly Hills? | ||
| No, because all of our tennis requirements are here in Newport Beach, so we stay here. | ||
| Newport's nice, though. | ||
| It's a good place. | ||
| It's near the ocean. | ||
| It's got clean air. | ||
| Yeah, we see the ocean. | ||
| It's just different for me. | ||
| I bet. | ||
| Did you like living in Vegas though? | ||
| Because the fights were there all the time. | ||
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I loved Vegas. | |
| It was always crazy and everything. | ||
| The fights did bring great parties though. | ||
| You could always go to some great parties. | ||
| That was always great. | ||
| So you've settled into this business life, it seems like, pretty easily. | ||
| You seem to be enjoying yourself. | ||
| Hey, it's something that I want to do. | ||
| It's a fresh start. | ||
| You know what I mean? | ||
| Since doing the total, my main objective and everything I've been embarking on and been involving myself with, it's all been because of a fresh start. | ||
| I feel fresh. | ||
| I feel new. | ||
| I feel that nothing could stop and nothing could be in my way. | ||
| And it's just an awesome feeling. | ||
| So this is from doing that one DMT experience that just sent you into... | ||
| Well, I did it one time, but I did it many times that day. | ||
| But yeah, I don't know what it is. | ||
| I'm trying to figure it out, but I've changed, but I still don't know how. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| I describe it for a lot of people, it's like resetting a computer. | ||
| You reset a computer, you have a fresh new desktop, and there's only one folder on the desktop, and that folder says, my old bullshit. | ||
| Listen, stop. | ||
| I'm saying to myself right now, sometimes I'm wondering, this new feeling that I'm possessing right now, is it a real feeling? | ||
| Does this stuff really help? | ||
| Am I lying to myself again? | ||
| Until the next moment, that next feeling, come to do some drugs, to be with somebody else. | ||
| What's really going on? | ||
| Is that feeling going to come back? | ||
| Because at this moment, that feeling feels like it's never coming back. | ||
| It can never come back if you decide that it's never coming back. | ||
| But you have to make that decision pretty much every day. | ||
| But you can never come back if you want. | ||
| Or you could slip into the old ways. | ||
| That's what a lot of people do. | ||
| When a lot of people fall into drug addictions, relapsing, when they relapse, they're not physically addicted when they're relapsed. | ||
| Obviously, they're clean. | ||
| And then they decide to go back in. | ||
| It's because there's comfort in those old patterns. | ||
| Because this new way of life is just they get anxiety. | ||
| They feel like it's a lot of pressure to stay clean. | ||
| Oh, so explain it. | ||
| I hate that. | ||
| I always hated that old way. | ||
| I never wanted to do drugs. | ||
| But then I do them again. | ||
| I never wanted to hate a song, no, no! | ||
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What the heck? | |
| No, come on, you understand what I'm saying? | ||
| No, I don't want... | ||
| Fuck, I don't want that! | ||
| And then once you do that, then you're going all out now. | ||
| You got the liquor there, the girl... | ||
| Oh, man, this is just a dark, dark, vicious cycle. | ||
| It's real dark. | ||
| Yeah, it's self-destructive. | ||
| It's all about ego-inflating and self-deprecating, self-destruction. | ||
| It also alleviates you from the responsibility of improving. | ||
| 100% that pressure of like keeping it together staying sober You know being disciplined all that stuff once it's gone. | ||
| It's gone like I'm just fucking crazy. | ||
| I'm crazy This is just what I do. | ||
| I'm crazy and it's easy to fall into that trap and that's what happens to a lot of people who relapse with drugs I never want to go back to that again. | ||
| That's just a no-win situation. | ||
| That's one of the great things about marijuana that people don't understand. | ||
| They think that a drug is a drug is a drug. | ||
| They're all falling under the same category. | ||
| But you can use marijuana and just be peaceful and not chaotic. | ||
| The opposite will make you think more about the consequences of ruining your life. | ||
| Can they sound ridiculous? | ||
| I got a foot in Detroit, Michigan one time for Andrew Gulotta. | ||
| I got tested and I tested for marijuana. | ||
| They charged me $300,000. | ||
| Jesus Christ. | ||
| Find me $300,000. | ||
| That's a lot of money. | ||
| Where'd that money go? | ||
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Who took it? | |
| The commission. | ||
| They broke it up. | ||
| They chopped it up and went and did coke with it. | ||
| That's what they did. | ||
| Yeah, that's crazy. | ||
| $300,000 for some weed in your system. | ||
| Now you're selling it. | ||
| Legally. | ||
| Yeah, and this is just a bizarre situation. | ||
| I'm just going with this bizarre world and see what happens. | ||
| It's beautiful, man. | ||
| I never thought you could do the self marijuana without being in that business. | ||
| I know. | ||
| At this stage in my life when it came at the right particular time. | ||
| I saw it online. | ||
| I saw Tyson Ranch online. | ||
| I saw something on Instagram or something. | ||
| And I was like, that makes sense. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| Yeah, why not, man? | ||
| In this day and age, I mean, look, everybody loves you. | ||
| Why not go into business with people? | ||
| I never dreamt it, but it's just a no-brainer. | ||
| People are going to want to buy your weed just because they love you. | ||
| I want to distribute all over the world, too. | ||
| That's where it gets sketchy. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| There's some spots in Asia you don't want to bring weed to. | ||
| No. | ||
| Singapore, you can get killed. | ||
| Oh, yeah. | ||
| No, but that's the business. | ||
| Some parts of the world that they accepted. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| Like, I went to Europe to buy weed before. | ||
| I mean, and they were selling the plant. | ||
| They weren't selling the bud. | ||
| They were selling the plant. | ||
| You had to buy the plant and wait till the plant develop and make buds and all that stuff. | ||
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Wow. | |
| Selling the plant. | ||
| I was like, what's that purpose? | ||
| They wanted you to grow your own. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| That's the only way. | ||
| So you're working with a bunch of different growers. | ||
| Explain how you guys are setting it up. | ||
| The whole thing, we're working with other growers, but my main objective is to be distributors all over the country. | ||
| So, and also the ranch, where you're going to have like a destination. | ||
| That's going to be our resort there, and that's where people are going to come. | ||
| It's going to be like, what's that big concert thing? | ||
| We're going to have our own concerts there, Chinchella. | ||
| I forget the name of it. | ||
| Coachella. | ||
| Coachella, yeah. | ||
| Chinchella. | ||
| Coachella. | ||
| It's going to be something to that effect, yeah. | ||
| Oh, that's awesome. | ||
| So you're going to do shows down there too? | ||
| Absolutely, yeah. | ||
| We're going to do Miguel. | ||
| Miguel's going to be our first show. | ||
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When? | |
| Miguel's going to be our first show in February. | ||
| Oh, wow. | ||
| Oh, that's amazing. | ||
| That's beautiful. | ||
| But listen, man, I'm very happy for you. | ||
| I'm happy to see this. | ||
| I'm happy to see this transition in you. | ||
| I'm happy to hear about your experiences. | ||
| And good luck, man. | ||
| Best of luck. | ||
| You need to come by because I'm going to be presenting at the Podcast Awards. | ||
| Oh, yeah, yeah. | ||
| Yeah, that's coming up soon, isn't it? | ||
| Yeah, you going to be there? | ||
| No, I'm not going to be there. | ||
| When is that? | ||
| Be the hell out of me. | ||
| Just tell me. | ||
| Yeah, I think. | ||
| Do you know when that is, Jerry? | ||
| Somebody sent it to me. | ||
| I'm busy that night, unfortunately. | ||
| Yeah, so you have a podcast too. | ||
| Tell people about that. | ||
| Yeah, it's hot boxing. | ||
| Hot boxing. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| Get it? | ||
| Yeah, big time. | ||
| Hot box, weed, get it? | ||
| Boxing. | ||
| Yeah, exactly. | ||
| And we smoke on our show and we're having a good time. | ||
| Yeah, and you had Dale Earnhardt Jr. on? | ||
| Yeah, he's an awesome guy. | ||
| He's a great guy? | ||
| Yeah, he's awesome. | ||
| Did you get high with him? | ||
| No, no, I don't believe I did. | ||
| No, I don't think he smoked. | ||
| No, I don't think he does either. | ||
| He's a clean-cut guy. | ||
| He's a super nice guy. | ||
| Almost too nice. | ||
| You're like, are you real? | ||
| His father was a tough guy. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| His father was a savage. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| So tell people, Tyson Ranch, tell people how they can find more information. | ||
| Well, you can just look up Tyson Ranch. | ||
| Is it TysonRanch.com? | ||
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Yeah. | |
| Okay. | ||
| TysonRanch.com. | ||
| And you don't fuck with any social media, huh? | ||
| You don't mess with them. | ||
| I have people do that, but they tell me to take pictures of this guy for you to get some likes or something. | ||
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Yeah. | |
| Third grade or something, getting friends, trying to make friends. | ||
| I don't know what the hell I'm doing. | ||
| I feel like a smuck, man. | ||
| It is ridiculous, yeah. | ||
| I feel like a smuck. | ||
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That's it. | |
| Tyson Ranch, official on Instagram. | ||
| Look, Damien, I'm on the book, Dope Magazine. | ||
| There you go. | ||
| Damn. | ||
| Well, listen, brother, thank you very much for being here, man. | ||
| I really appreciate it. | ||
| Pleasure being here, man. | ||
| I wanted to come to the show so much earlier, but we just couldn't make it happen. | ||
| We'll do it again. | ||
| We'll do it again. | ||
| And let me know when everything opens up. | ||
| We'll be happy to promote it for you. | ||
| Let everybody know. | ||
| And anytime you got something coming on, you want people to know about it, let me know. | ||
| Thank you very much. | ||
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Thank you. | |
| Appreciate it, brother. | ||
| Thank you very much. | ||
| Mike Tyson, motherfuckers! | ||
| All day! | ||
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Woo! | |
| That was cool. |
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