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Jan. 15, 2019 - The Joe Rogan Experience
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Joe Rogan Experience #1225 - Theo Von
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joe rogan
02:07:29
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theo von
48:19
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jamie vernon
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joe rogan
Well, you know, Alcoholics Anonymous was created by a guy who was into LSD. Yeah, Bill W. A real baller.
Jamie, I want to show you through your sweater.
And it's not a bad sweater, a sweatshirt you're wearing.
It's very cool.
But this is a symptom of everything that's wrong.
jamie vernon
Go ahead.
theo von
Are we on yet?
joe rogan
Yeah, we're on.
It's got fake short sleeves.
It's got fake short sleeves over long sleeves.
So the short sleeves are sewed in.
jamie vernon
Not sewed.
It's not sewed.
It's not attached.
joe rogan
How does it work then?
The short sleeves.
jamie vernon
It's just over top.
It comes apart.
joe rogan
But this sleeve part.
unidentified
It's not there.
jamie vernon
It's not attached at all.
It's separate.
joe rogan
So it's two pieces?
jamie vernon
Yeah.
I didn't know that when I bought it either.
joe rogan
But when you pull the sleeve up, what happens?
jamie vernon
Nothing.
unidentified
It can come off.
joe rogan
Oh, it goes all the way over the top.
Oh, I see.
jamie vernon
It's like a separate hood.
joe rogan
So do you wear the two of them together, or are they sewed on?
jamie vernon
I just bought it.
There's a whole Rocky thing that this company did.
They had a whole bunch of pieces, and I was like, oh, that's kind of cool.
joe rogan
So Sylvester Stallone is slated to come on the podcast.
You will wear that, correct, when he's here?
unidentified
Please.
jamie vernon
Okay.
All right.
joe rogan
So is that, but the upper shirt is just laid over the tops, shorts, long-sleeved shirt?
So you could wear one without the other?
Like you could wear the short sleeve one?
Oh, okay.
jamie vernon
It's just two sweatshirts, you know, but it's the training montage.
joe rogan
Oh, it comes as a team.
theo von
Is it heavy or is it light?
jamie vernon
It is not light at all.
I'm starting to sweat right now and then we shut the store.
theo von
But that'll make you stronger if you got a heavy shirt.
jamie vernon
I think that's the idea.
joe rogan
We are here, and if some shit goes down, I may have to bolt from the podcast because there's mandatory evacuations all around here.
theo von
Really?
joe rogan
Yeah, yeah, yeah.
Where I live, all in Ventura County, there's all these mandatory bees.
Yeah, honeybees.
theo von
Is it really?
joe rogan
Yeah, they're making too much honey.
unidentified
What is it?
joe rogan
Mudslides.
theo von
Oh, wow, I didn't know that.
I had to pull off La Cienega one time and they had a bunch of bees on there.
unidentified
What?
joe rogan
Really?
theo von
Yeah.
Huge hives, man.
joe rogan
Wow.
theo von
And you see a lot of homeless people and they don't do anything, but when bees show up, they fucking get to doing shit.
unidentified
You know?
theo von
That's one thing I noticed quickly.
joe rogan
They get out of there.
theo von
Yeah.
joe rogan
Yeah.
Isn't it interesting how they get motivated by bees?
unidentified
Yeah.
theo von
Bees will motivate anybody.
unidentified
Yeah.
joe rogan
Yeah.
theo von
You know, you're not all cracked out once the bees show up.
joe rogan
Dude, I watched bees communicate with each other once.
I was on the set of Fear Factor, and we covered these people with bees.
And then a neighboring colony, a colony that actually lived there, a local colony, came and were like, what are you guys doing here?
And the bees all flew up in the sky together and sorted it out in the sky.
theo von
Really?
joe rogan
It was wild.
The guy told us, the beekeeper, he's like, everybody's got to stand down.
We've got to back up.
Get out of the area.
We're like, what?
He's like, yeah, they have to communicate.
I thought he was joking.
theo von
Let them do it, huh?
joe rogan
Yeah, he's like, they have to talk it out.
I'm like, whoa, they talk?
What are they going to say?
There's something going on with them that we just kind of subtly, we sort of get what they do.
theo von
Yeah.
Yeah, they're kind of like little liaisons, it seems like.
I wonder if in the future we'll know that certain animals can take messages around for us, and if you told an animal something, it could go tell them.
I wonder if we'll start using animals more.
Because animals, we don't use them that much.
I mean, they're sitting around most of the time.
joe rogan
Right, I read something about they were trying to encode information in DNA. We could ask Mike Tyson about his pigeons.
Yeah, I think that's different though.
jamie vernon
They carry pigeons though, but then pigeons used to carry shit long distances.
joe rogan
How about Game of Thrones?
jamie vernon
Yeah, that's what I'm saying.
joe rogan
Yeah, for sure.
But for whatever reason, it makes more sense with birds.
unidentified
Yeah.
joe rogan
Right?
Like a bird seems like you should be able to train it a little bit.
theo von
Oh, bird?
You could train some birds, I think.
Some birds, I think, would do their own thing.
joe rogan
Let me ask you this.
If you had an important message, would you just send one raven?
That's what I never got.
How about you send a flock of these motherfuckers?
What are you, crazy?
What if that goddamn thing gets eaten?
What if an eagle jacks from along the way?
The fate of your kingdom is at hand, sir.
unidentified
Yeah.
theo von
Yeah, you can't put that on the back of one bird, dude.
I would send a bird nobody would expect.
You know, like a little warbler or something, or a nightingale.
joe rogan
Oh, that's a good move.
unidentified
Yeah.
joe rogan
You gotta send a bird that nobody wants to shoot, though.
People like to shoot birds.
theo von
Well, owl, too.
Dude, we had owl two Thanksgivings ago.
We had two owls at my sister's house.
joe rogan
Yeah, I saw one last night, actually.
theo von
Did you?
joe rogan
Yeah, it was pretty...
No, not last night.
Night before last.
It was pretty fucking cool.
Pulled into the driveway and an owl took off.
It was big, too.
theo von
It's gross, I think.
joe rogan
Owls?
theo von
The meat.
joe rogan
Oh, you ate them, you're saying?
theo von
Yeah, but the...
joe rogan
You guys ate owls?
theo von
Yeah.
joe rogan
I don't think that's legal.
You probably shouldn't say that on the podcast.
theo von
Well, I didn't have a lot.
joe rogan
Bill Burr used to have a joke about it.
theo von
I didn't have a lot, man.
I think I even spit it out.
I'm not even joking.
joe rogan
It's like Bill Clinton when you smoked that weed.
theo von
And they had two.
They don't have a lot of meat on them.
I fucking don't like owls.
joe rogan
They're predators.
They're important.
That's why you don't have rats everywhere.
theo von
Yeah, but I think they're violent and they're dirty and they get this.
Owls, whoever did their PR, you notice everybody thinks they're smart and they can read and they're like...
joe rogan
Yeah, they had a good PR agent, right?
theo von
Yeah, look at that.
joe rogan
We only got one up, Jimmy.
theo von
But see how much little meat is on them?
You'd think there's more.
joe rogan
Look at...
theo von
He's kidding, folks.
joe rogan
He's kidding, folks.
He's not eating owls.
The one in the middle looks like it's from another planet.
You know?
theo von
Yeah.
Yeah, and that's what...
joe rogan
That's what it really looks like.
theo von
That's what it looks like.
joe rogan
Underneath all that fluff.
unidentified
It's a little alien.
joe rogan
A little alien raptor creature.
I was flying...
theo von
Like a crab.
It looks like a crab.
joe rogan
I was driving home when one was flying above me on the road and dropped a rabbit.
He had got a rabbit and jacked it and was flying with the rabbit.
And as he was flying, just decided, like...
Maybe he decided the car was too close to him or was too loud or something like that.
I just dropped that rabbit and said, fuck it.
And I stopped the car to check it out.
I was like, whoa.
theo von
That's flirting, really, it sounds like.
joe rogan
Flirting?
theo von
Oh, if a bird drops a rabbit at your feet?
joe rogan
Hey, bitch.
theo von
Yeah.
It's ready to fuck.
joe rogan
Probably.
Yeah, like an offering.
Look what I got for you.
More where that came from.
unidentified
Or maybe.
theo von
Yeah, yeah, yeah.
joe rogan
Yeah.
They're predators, man.
We never thought of them growing up as predators.
theo von
Yeah.
That's the thing.
joe rogan
They told us they were wise.
They had that monocle like fucking Bud Friedman from Evening at the Improv.
Remember that?
theo von
Oh, like that Planner's Peanut.
joe rogan
Bud Friedman from Evening at the Improv.
His whole deal was, yeah, I loved Evening at the Improv when I was a kid.
theo von
I never saw it.
joe rogan
Oh man, that was like one of the reasons why I got into stand-up comedy.
I used to watch these TV shows.
They had syndicated TV shows that they would do.
VH1 had one, MTV had the half-hour comedy hour.
theo von
What time did it come on at?
joe rogan
I don't remember, man.
I don't remember.
That was Bud, but it was probably on late at night.
theo von
He looks like that planner's nut.
Daniel, I think that guy's name is.
joe rogan
Bud Friedman was one of the owners.
He sold it eventually and cha-ching, cashed out.
theo von
There's my friend Brian Friedman in the left corner.
joe rogan
That's a different dude.
theo von
Yeah.
joe rogan
Interesting.
A lot of Freedmans out there.
But anyway, Bud ran...
He was the host of Evening at the Improv, and he would come out with that monocle.
Go back to that monocle picture again, lower left.
Bam!
That was him.
See, Google Bud Freedman Evening at the Improv.
That's what I did.
That's what you did?
Oh, okay.
Yeah, nice guy.
Real nice guy.
theo von
Yeah?
jamie vernon
He was?
joe rogan
Yeah, real nice guy.
Always a sweetheart to me.
Always very friendly.
He was a very gregarious guy.
And he...
Basically, he was one of the original owners of the Improv and Evening at the Improv.
I don't know the full history of the Improv.
I probably should, but I think...
I want to say it started out in New York.
theo von
Yeah.
joe rogan
Because I know there were ones everywhere at one point in time.
They had one in Boston for a little bit.
theo von
An Improv?
joe rogan
Yeah, yeah.
They had one in Boston, and then they changed it to a different name.
It started Hell's Kitchen in 1963. Yeah, so that was probably one of the original stand-up comedy clubs.
Probably one of the top two or three.
theo von
Do you have a favorite, like a club when you were doing clubs more?
Did you have a favorite one?
joe rogan
I was just happy to get on stage back then.
I mean, I had favorite ones, like Nick's Comedy Stop was always a favorite in Boston.
Stitches, but Stitches moved a couple of times.
Stitches moved twice.
theo von
What about any of the Funny Bones, or did you go to any of those places?
joe rogan
Yeah, but for the Boston Club, the Comedy Connection was the big one, and now that's the Wilbur Theatre.
It's really weird, because it used to be the smallest club in town, and everybody wanted to work it.
It was like a hundred and...
Ooh, I want to say they could stuff maybe 150 people in there, but I mean, it ain't stuffed.
I mean, this room, this ceiling was low, you know?
I mean, I'm 5'8", and I remember I could, I'm pretty sure I could touch the ceiling.
So this shit is low.
So if you were like Owen Smith or someone tall.
theo von
Somebody with a long arm.
joe rogan
It's a big ass stage for you.
Big people would look real weird on that stage.
But the laughs would be so contained.
It was so low ceiling and tight.
theo von
I love that.
joe rogan
I love that.
I saw Hicks there for the first time.
First time I ever saw him was there.
I was like, whoa.
He was doing this bit about Jimi Hendrix meeting Tiffany at the mall.
theo von
Tiffany, the singer?
unidentified
Oh, yeah.
joe rogan
Because she was real popular then.
I think we're alone now.
theo von
Oh, yeah.
joe rogan
Yeah.
theo von
Oh, that song will make you just be erect.
I remember being on the school bus so fucking erect, bro.
Dude, I remember that shit, bro.
Dude, I loved being erect when I was young, man.
Now it's whatever.
joe rogan
Now it's whatever.
theo von
Now it's like, fuck, do I have to do something now?
What does my dick need me to do?
joe rogan
Right, it's like eating an owl.
theo von
I'll tell you this, if you want to feed a family of four, you can't just have one owl.
I will say that, though.
joe rogan
Well, if you look at what it looks like without the feathers, it looks like a fucking demon.
Yeah.
theo von
It's a real bait and switch, I feel like.
It's one of God's hidden agendas.
joe rogan
Well, I was talking to someone about peacocks about this, and I started talking about it on stage.
Peacocks are pretty, but if you took their feathers off, you'd want to kill it with a hammer.
unidentified
Yeah.
joe rogan
Like, what is that thing?
What the fuck is that?
You wouldn't let that thing anywhere near your kids.
If peacocks have their feathers on, you let your kids get right close to them.
theo von
Oh, yeah.
unidentified
Beautiful.
joe rogan
But a peacock with no feathers, dark skin, charcoal-covered skin, and the little nubs all over it.
theo von
Oh, look at that.
joe rogan
That creepy fuck.
theo von
Look at that.
joe rogan
That creepy little murderer.
theo von
Looks like a little twink out on the town, huh?
joe rogan
It's a little creepy murderer.
Probably a little gray and pink murderer.
Is that what it looks like with mange?
unidentified
Oh, look at that.
joe rogan
Is that real?
theo von
Oh my god.
jamie vernon
That's like a duck face.
I don't know.
joe rogan
Yeah, that's a duck, bro.
jamie vernon
But it says peacock.
theo von
That is something else.
That is meningitis, I think.
joe rogan
That doesn't seem right, though.
Go back up to the peacock picture.
They have a different head.
Go back to that peacock picture that you just had.
theo von
Oh my god.
joe rogan
Look at that head.
That's a totally different head.
Like the beak-shaped different.
theo von
Yeah, beautiful head.
joe rogan
That's the problem with the internet.
theo von
Yeah, you can't even...
joe rogan
It's so hard to tell.
That's a duck, son.
theo von
Who is that?
joe rogan
Yeah, those are ducks, bro.
jamie vernon
Maybe it's on that page or something like that.
joe rogan
Well, it says right there, it said feathers ripped from live birds.
It didn't...
Ripping the feathers off peacocks.
theo von
Was Bill Hicks a nice guy?
What was he like?
Did you meet him?
joe rogan
I didn't meet him.
I met him like, hi.
Like, hey, what's up?
I was an open-miker.
theo von
Oh, yeah.
joe rogan
You know, he ain't gonna talk to me.
theo von
Yeah.
joe rogan
It's like, you know, I say hi to everybody I run into.
Like door guys, I always try to say hi to everybody.
theo von
Yeah.
joe rogan
Because I remember what it was like when I was an open-miker and seeing these guys where I couldn't even imagine that we were the same thing.
I couldn't talk to them.
You know what I mean?
theo von
The big comedians, you mean?
joe rogan
Fuck yeah!
Like, Bill Hicks would come into town.
I didn't want to say hi to him and be super annoying.
theo von
Right.
And what do you back it up with?
That was always my thing.
joe rogan
I was so stupid back then, too.
I mean, I'm pretty dumb now, but I was really dumb back then.
unidentified
Yeah.
joe rogan
There was no way I had anything to say to that, dude.
theo von
Do you think there was a time in your life you were the dumbest that you'd ever been?
joe rogan
Probably a couple weeks ago.
I don't know.
I don't know, man.
Well, I definitely have more data to work with now, but I've forgotten a lot of shit, too.
theo von
But do you think there's generally a time in people's lives when they, what they should know, kind of, and there's kind of like a middle ground where maybe it doesn't?
joe rogan
Well, for sure when I was in my early 20s.
For sure when I was in my early 20s.
Like deep into my, you know, it took me into my 30s to kind of fucking shake my head loose and figure out what the fuck I was doing.
theo von
Yeah, dude, you're 20. Bro, when you think about 20s.
unidentified
Right.
joe rogan
No direction, no idea whether or not this comedy thing was going to work out.
I'm like, what am I doing?
Now I'm telling jokes?
Jesus Christ.
theo von
Yeah, and then telling people when you go back home and they've never seen you, they've never heard of you, they think you're gay.
They're like, you keep flying home, you don't have any money, and you're not bringing a girl home.
You're hiding from something.
Yeah, you're hiding from something.
Just come out.
I remember my stepdad is yelling at me in the yard one time.
joe rogan
Told you to come out?
theo von
Yeah, I was like, I'm not fucking gay, bro.
I'm just not flying some girl home that I just met.
You know, just to prove to you guys.
joe rogan
He thought he could catch you to lie.
theo von
Yeah, he thought maybe he was gonna leave a...
He's gonna set a trap.
Yeah, he's gonna set a trap.
joe rogan
Yeah, he was setting a trap.
Yeah, he's like a slick boxer.
He sent a trap for you.
Just come out of the closet, boy.
Like, what the fuck?
The problem is, that's one of the reasons why young boys will always accuse each other of being gay.
benjamin jaffe
Because it's so hard to prove you're not.
theo von
Yeah, it's so hard.
joe rogan
When someone says you're gay, like, hey!
unidentified
You take that off me!
theo von
Dude, that's crazy, man.
joe rogan
The worst has got to be if someone says you're gay and you are, but you don't want to admit it.
theo von
Oh, yeah, that'd be scary.
unidentified
Shit!
theo von
Yeah, you change your clothes, the next day you come dressed like in a mafia outfit or something, like something to totally take them hot off the trail, you know?
joe rogan
Or you just wish you could say you were.
theo von
Yeah.
joe rogan
You know, you wish you could say you were.
theo von
I think now you can.
I think, yeah.
joe rogan
You still can in a lot of places.
I mean, I would love to think that everybody's like the people that are around us, where they literally don't give a fuck.
If you're Justin Martindale or...
Look, our language is funny, and after that, it's cool to be around.
Those are the things that are most valuable in our world.
Funny and cool to be around.
Those two things.
If someone's funny and cool to be around, we don't give a fuck if you're a guy, a girl, trans, gay, funny...
theo von
Ghost.
joe rogan
Cool to be around.
You could be a ghost.
theo von
Yeah.
joe rogan
Do you think there's ghosts at the comedy store?
theo von
I don't know.
joe rogan
I had some friends the other day.
I was trying to give them the whole tour.
Tell them how it used to be Ciro's nightclub.
I didn't take them all the way, but I showed them how you go through the back room of the main room.
That used to be their hideout and shit.
I told them about all the ghost stories that have been filmed there.
But I don't believe it.
I don't think it's real.
theo von
Well, I think I'm surprised we don't have more ghost animals.
joe rogan
You know what I think?
I think it's you.
This is what I think.
For real.
I think you can probably tune in to something that happened in a place.
That's what I think.
And I think if you trip yourself out, you could see things that aren't really there.
And I think that it is entirely possible that ghosts aren't real, but that you seeing a ghost is real.
That I think that you can get your body into such a frenzied, terrified state, and if you are open to the idea that a ghost is a real thing, your mind can fuck with you.
Like the ghetto boys.
Your mind's playing tricks on you?
Yeah, that's what I think.
I think legitimately, and I also think that if you hit the right frequency, I bet you can pull up just a ghost of a memory of someone getting killed in a place or something horrible happening.
Just a ghost of a memory.
theo von
Oh, I think that's next.
That's one of the next things.
You're going to be able to do a gang sign in the air, a special gang sign, and then the truth is going to pop out right in front of you.
I think we're going to start to learn...
joe rogan
Like Harry Potter type shit?
theo von
Yes, or maybe a song.
What if a certain playing of lyrics or notes in a row would reveal the past right in front of you?
I wonder if there's some magic little warpholes or something.
joe rogan
Well, think about what music does do.
Music literally changes the way your body feels like a drug.
Like, if you were a kid, okay, and you heard that Rocky song, you could run faster, you would get more fired up, you'd be able to do more push-ups or more chin-ups.
theo von
Punch your fucking stepdad.
You know what I'm saying?
But you will.
Probably a lot of dudes.
joe rogan
Probably.
But the point is, you would, for sure, get energy from that.
Like a drug.
unidentified
Yes.
joe rogan
Like, if that was a cup of coffee, you'd be like, woo, this coffee!
unidentified
This coffee's good!
Right?
joe rogan
You hear that song?
unidentified
Yeah.
theo von
Yeah, dude.
jamie vernon
You put up that video the other day.
joe rogan
Oh yeah, that video that I reposted.
jamie vernon
The vibrations.
joe rogan
The sand, yeah.
jamie vernon
If you look deep into this topic of vibrations and symbols that come out and different light patterns.
joe rogan
Explain to people what we're talking about.
jamie vernon
It's kind of difficult.
joe rogan
It's hard, but I posted it on my Instagram.
I reposted it because it's really fascinating.
theo von
This is a black mat?
joe rogan
It seems like it's just a mat that's charged, right?
jamie vernon
Yeah, it's being vibrated.
joe rogan
Let's explain what's happening for the people who are just listening.
jamie vernon
I'm not going to play this video because it'll probably get taken down.
It's got a lot of views.
There's lots of different versions of this online.
joe rogan
It says, amazing resonance experiment.
So they put some sand.
Is it sand?
jamie vernon
This is probably salt.
joe rogan
Okay, they put some sort of powdered stuff, sand or salt, onto a black mat that's charged, and then they send certain hertz through it.
This one's 3,835 hertz.
And then it makes a different pattern.
unidentified
That's crazy.
joe rogan
Look at this, 3,975.
Like, every time they change the hertz, it has a different pattern.
Look at that, 4,049.
Look at this pattern.
jamie vernon
So these hurts are waves.
theo von
That's unbelievable.
jamie vernon
And these are also, you can take these numbers and these can also be notes.
theo von
That's a dark art, man.
jamie vernon
That you're used to seeing on a piano or you're used to hearing or singing.
joe rogan
Right.
jamie vernon
So these can also be recreated in other ways and are probably happening to us.
That's how maybe one of those earworms you hear makes your...
Then the back of your neck vibrate or something like that.
theo von
What if a certain hertz just spelled your grandparents' name?
joe rogan
Well, what's interesting is that each one of them are different geometric patterns.
They're these beautiful patterns.
They're gorgeous.
And as you change the hertz, the patterns morph.
theo von
Immediately.
joe rogan
Yeah.
But the thing is, they're kind of fractal.
Not fractal, but they seem to be...
What's the word?
Equal on both sides.
jamie vernon
What's that word?
joe rogan
What's the word I'm looking for?
theo von
Parallel?
No.
joe rogan
No.
jamie vernon
I think you're on the right topic.
If the number is a little more round, like a round number, these are not specific hertz.
theo von
Twins?
No, not twins.
joe rogan
I'm looking for different than identical.
But anyway, both sides are exactly the same, and it's separated.
In this one, it's not separated in a half.
It's all like the circle is the center.
And it all goes out from there, but they're different.
But they're all even.
The only thing that's keeping it from being perfect is that they run out of sand.
And it looks like the power is centered around the center part where the wires are connected to.
So that's the most potent.
It's fucking beautiful!
theo von
So if you think about that like in a...
Maybe if there's a certain hertz going through the air, like in space, then it would form like a solar system, I guess.
joe rogan
Well, I'll do you one better.
The feeling that you get from like Rocky, right?
The feeling that you get from that song.
theo von
Oh, because that thing's going through your body.
joe rogan
Yes.
Yeah, it literally could be like a little drug.
Look, think about why people like music so much.
Because that musician is your drug dealer.
theo von
Yeah.
joe rogan
Okay, you hear like some old Elton John, like you're in your car and Saturday night comes on.
You're fucking goosebumps.
If you haven't heard that song in a long time and you don't expect it, oh, fuck yeah.
theo von
Jesse had a friend.
But that one makes you want to, you know?
joe rogan
That's a good song too.
theo von
But that vibe is good.
jamie vernon
This was done with, like I was saying, with musical notes on water.
Wow.
joe rogan
We're looking at the thing that says the CYMAScope.
Is that how you say that?
CYMAScope uses a high-definition camera to monitor the effects of an individual sound's particular vibrations on purified water, revealing for the first time what piano notes look like.
unidentified
Fuck!
joe rogan
There are people out there so much smarter than you and me.
theo von
Oh, yeah.
joe rogan
Oh, God.
It's amazing that we're considered the same thing.
theo von
As what, smart people?
joe rogan
As really smart people.
When I have someone like Sean Carroll in, the physicist, and he has to break down particle physics and shit to you, you're like...
theo von
Is it hard?
joe rogan
It doesn't even get in.
I can repeat what he said.
I don't know what the fuck it means.
When people start talking about quantum things and quantum theory and quantum particles.
theo von
There's danger.
joe rogan
Dude, I don't get it.
theo von
I don't trust that kind of stuff, a lot of it.
joe rogan
Well, how about, you know what superposition is?
It's the ultimate what the fuck.
Where a particle can be in a state of motion and be still at the same time.
I'm like, well, good luck with that.
Good luck with this magic world that you've created.
Crazy scientist that I don't understand.
theo von
Yeah, I would rather do something more chill than that.
joe rogan
What the fuck?
Something can stay...
theo von
You know?
Ride a bike or go for a run or something.
joe rogan
Oh, you mean rather than study that or rather than be that particle?
theo von
Oh, rather than study that and be...
Yeah, like I just think...
joe rogan
But don't you want someone to know?
Because don't you benefit from cell phones?
theo von
Well, what about the...
Such few people know that if they all wanted to lie to us, then they could.
joe rogan
They would have to be conspiracy.
Now you're starting to sound like some other people I know.
Let's go get some tinfoil.
theo von
I didn't know that's funny that your body would do that.
joe rogan
The reason why they would never do that is because a scientist's whole deal is figuring out shit that other scientists didn't figure out.
That's like the best thing they can do.
The best thing a scientist can do is a real honest-to-goodness breakthrough.
theo von
Would you have sex with a scientist, you think?
joe rogan
Yeah, like a movie scientist, like she keeps the glasses on.
theo von
Yeah.
joe rogan
They're always blonde in the movies, right?
No, sometimes they have dark black hair, too, mysterious.
theo von
I bet they're clean, too.
If you fuck a scientist, dude, I bet they have a clean apartment.
joe rogan
Maybe, but maybe not.
Maybe their fucking brain is like that chalkboard with all the squiggly alien mathematics on it.
theo von
Oh, that's true, huh?
Yeah, what if they have a bunch of shit tattooed, a bunch of dirty math tattooed around their puss?
joe rogan
I was reading this thing about Richard Feynman.
You know who Feynman was?
Feynman was a scientist.
He was a physicist.
And there was an article about him, like, was Feynman an abuser?
But it was talking about Richard Feynman and how his wife said he used to just do nothing but calculations all day, and then he wanted to play the bongos, and he didn't want anybody to bother him.
But he had a quote from one of his books, and it's crazy reading it.
See if you can find it, because it's a crazy quote calling women bitches.
And I'm like, what?!
I don't want to paraphrase it.
theo von
He's like, I can't deal with these bitches around here?
joe rogan
I think he was a funny guy, is what I think.
It's hard when you see things in text, because you think, okay, maybe he's a really mean, terrible person.
See, I adopted the attitude that those bar girls are all bitches, that they aren't worth anything, and that all they're in there for is to get you to buy them a drink, and they're not going to give you a goddamn thing.
I'm not going to be a gentleman to such worthless bitches and so on, he writes.
See, but I feel like and so on, when someone says and so on, that implies that this is taken out of context.
theo von
It sounds like a white dude or a black dude.
joe rogan
I want to know what does that mean and so on.
That means to me what I'm getting out of this, if I was going to guess, is that he goes on.
He elaborates.
He might say, this is how I felt back then and obviously I changed my mind.
I mean, he could have been 18 when he was talking about this or 16. I don't know what the fuck this is about.
Right.
But he also could be very funny, because he was apparently a very funny guy.
So the title of his book is Surely You're Joking, Mr. Feynman.
theo von
Oh, that's nice, then.
joe rogan
But if someone said that, but I doubt that all these bar girls are bitches, if they said it funny, could you see those same words?
theo von
I thought they had all these ball girls and bitches.
joe rogan
But it's all really depending upon how old he is, too.
Or it could be that that's really how he was.
theo von
And maybe he got married.
Maybe he got in trouble with his wife and he had to say this.
You know?
joe rogan
I don't think that's it.
I think he's talking about when he was younger.
theo von
I could see that though, dude.
You're at the bar.
If you don't like real loud music and all the girls are just drinking with a bunch of...
I would be like, oh, these girls are a bunch of bitches probably.
joe rogan
Yeah, but that's a lazy way of thinking.
theo von
It is a lazy way of thinking.
It just makes it...
So you can judge and you can control the scenario.
joe rogan
The thing is, look, if you go into a room and ten girls are in there and seven of them are fucking super annoying and you say these bitches are all annoying, you're being super rude to those three that aren't.
theo von
Yeah.
And there might be some decent girls.
joe rogan
But that's why it's weird.
It's weird to hear a high-level, famous scientist probably, I think in the article they were saying, beyond Einstein, he's the second most famous physicist.
theo von
Especially a scientist, because you'd think a scientist would know that a couple of these bitches could be variables.
joe rogan
Right, that's why I'm thinking this might have been a quote from him when he was young.
unidentified
Yeah.
theo von
That's crazy that I think that he said that.
joe rogan
Or him criticizing himself when he was young.
But I don't know.
I'm just guessing.
I was hoping that it would be that.
Man, that's crazy to read that.
theo von
Dude, sometimes I miss being young, man.
Don't you miss it sometimes?
joe rogan
Well, no and yes.
Like, it looks like fun to have no responsibility and to be 22 and be backpacking around the world or doing something silly and not having a place where you have to go or a bunch of bills, but...
On the other hand, I feel so fucking ridiculously lucky that I get to be a comedian.
I don't want to try to do this again.
Why would I try to do this when I'm doing this?
theo von
Yeah, but to go back, I just miss being young and like, remember a nap, man?
When you took a nap when you were young, it could last, you fucking didn't care, it could last for three days.
joe rogan
Yes, but I think one of the secrets to happiness is to never look back at any point in your life and wish you were back there.
Because A, it's not possible.
And B, if you didn't go through that, you wouldn't be you.
If you would go back now and be 22 again and broke and fucked up with all the information you have now, you'd be like, shit!
Y'all don't know.
I had a fucking Netflix special.
You guys don't know.
I was killing it out there.
I decided to start over like an asshole.
Now here I am.
Oh, yeah, I'm young, but I'm broke.
I can't even afford vitamins.
theo von
What the fuck, man?
joe rogan
I don't want to beat that guy again.
unidentified
That's the first thing Joe wants is to get some vitamins.
joe rogan
I work out hard, man.
I got to take care of my body.
theo von
No, you're right, man.
joe rogan
I got to feed it the right food.
I can't afford ramen noodle.
I'm eating ramen noodle every day.
I'm going to start breaking joints.
theo von
Yeah.
joe rogan
I'm going to have real problems.
theo von
That's true.
joe rogan
I'm going to tear muscles and shit.
theo von
Yeah, you're going to be eating owl.
joe rogan
Yeah, man.
I don't mean fucking catching squirrels in my yard.
theo von
That's when it gets bad.
joe rogan
I'm not joking about that either.
theo von
I miss my body being young, dude.
joe rogan
How old are you?
I'm 38. Shut your mouth.
You're fine.
You just got to work out.
theo von
Yeah.
joe rogan
You don't work out, huh?
theo von
I just started getting back into it.
joe rogan
Yeah, that's all it is.
theo von
Doing some yoga, and I want to go try Brazilian jiu-jitsu downtown.
joe rogan
Slow down with that.
Get yourself in shape first.
theo von
Yeah, that's what I'm realizing.
joe rogan
Yeah, my advice.
Because if you're trying to explode and get out of things, look, don't listen to me.
You can start jiu-jitsu and be in terrible shape and get in shape through jiu-jitsu.
You can.
unidentified
Yeah.
joe rogan
Absolutely.
But if I was going to advise someone, I would say, if you're going to do something that's as physical as jujitsu, I believe that you should armor your body.
What I mean by that is like your shoulders, your knees, your back, your neck.
Those are all areas that if you don't work out at all...
They could break.
theo von
Susceptible.
joe rogan
They're susceptible.
So I would always advise that someone does a bunch of calisthenics, particularly like the classics.
Push-ups, sit-ups, body weight, squats, chin-ups.
All those classics.
Do a lot of those.
Just get your body accustomed to resistance training.
unidentified
Right.
joe rogan
Do that first.
Then I would always start with calisthenics.
Always start with that.
And then from that, move into weights.
Do some kettlebells.
Take a couple of months.
You can take a couple of months before you just jump right into jiu-jitsu.
But if you're an athlete, then you can just jump right in.
If your guy already does basketball, you already wrestle, oh yeah, jump right in.
But a guy who doesn't do any exercise at all, jiu-jitsu is so rough on you.
theo von
Yeah, I used to do exercise.
I mean, I used to do...
Dude, we used to shoot up steroids on the side of the interstate when I was growing up.
joe rogan
Shoot on the side of the road?
Why wouldn't you go home?
theo von
It was more of an outdoor thing, I felt like.
You know?
I didn't want to bring that shit in the house, really.
But we would...
Me and a buddy of mine, this dude, Billy Conforto, actually.
And he passed away, RIP. And he died.
He ate a bunch of pills and actually drove into an embankment one time, but...
joe rogan
That's a bad way to go.
theo von
Oh, yeah.
Can you imagine?
joe rogan
That's a bad way to go.
theo von
And he...
But he was a busboy.
And I was a busboy.
And he would, and yeah, we both liked to go to the gym.
And he was like the first gay man that I ever met.
And then he, you know, one time he got us some steroids or something.
I don't know.
I think everybody was doing them.
And then we just, yeah, we'd pull over and do them.
And then just go to the gym, you know?
Dude, one time a guy in New York said I'm going to get some drugs in the middle of the night.
He went, came back three hours later with steroids.
He's like, you want to fucking party?
joe rogan
Wow, he was partying with steroids?
theo von
I was like, fuck no, bro.
I'm leaving tomorrow.
joe rogan
How long did you live in New York for?
theo von
I was there for about eight months.
joe rogan
How come?
theo von
So I was just kind of trying out the comedy scene there and seeing what it was like.
joe rogan
Why'd you decide to leave?
theo von
I don't know.
I guess I just wanted like a new...
Here's what it was.
I never wanted to get old and say that I didn't try it.
To go to LA? To try New York.
joe rogan
Oh, I see.
unidentified
Right.
theo von
To never have...
Even just six months.
Even just have like an experience there, you know?
joe rogan
Well, it's a hotbed, for sure.
The two hotbeds right now are here and there.
theo von
Yeah.
joe rogan
Those are the two hotbeds.
And there's all this debate as to, like, which one's better or whatever.
It's silly.
That's a great hotbed.
theo von
Yeah.
joe rogan
There's no denying that there's some world-class comedians over there.
And then there's ones that show up there and here, like Chappelle.
He's always bouncing back and forth.
Chris Rock was always bouncing back and forth.
Louis when he was working in here.
But Louis is working again.
He's working at the Improv right now.
Louis C.K. In San Jose.
theo von
Yeah.
Oh, wow.
unidentified
That's cool.
theo von
I think he's going to sell out a world tour in like a year.
joe rogan
For sure.
For sure.
theo von
Or next month, even, if he wanted to.
joe rogan
Yeah, for sure.
You know, I mean, it's interesting.
This whole bit about the Parkland shooting, you know, that stirred up all this controversy.
That is such a Louis C.K. bit.
It's interesting.
It's almost like people don't understand what kind of comedy he did.
theo von
Right.
Yeah, it's like suddenly they forget who he was.
I mean, if you look at his comedy, you're not even surprised that he was jerking off, you know, kind of room service sort of deal, you know?
joe rogan
But his style has always been like that.
I mean, his style is always very irreverent, saying fucked up shit you can't believe he sang, and, you know, well-written and well-thought-out stuff.
This is stuff he's working on.
And this is people like, you know, how could he joke?
It wasn't even that good.
He probably wrote it that day or two days before.
Who knows how many times he's done that bit.
But I guarantee you, the guy takes 10 months off of stand-up and then he's starting to do it again.
theo von
He was scared, I bet.
joe rogan
I don't think I would ever joke around about that.
I definitely wouldn't joke around about But you can.
theo von
Yeah.
Out of the gate, I don't know if I would.
joe rogan
It just wasn't his best stuff.
It wasn't good.
It's like it wasn't ready.
theo von
Yeah.
joe rogan
But maybe he could have come up with a different turn on it where it wouldn't be as offensive and it would be way funnier.
That's what working on a bit is all about.
theo von
Right.
joe rogan
Like, fuck, look, Holtzman.
Brian Holtzman, if he had said that exact same thing that Louis said, we would be howling.
unidentified
Yeah.
joe rogan
We'd be in the back of the room, slapping the table, howling, laughing.
Right.
theo von
Yeah.
joe rogan
Buy an artsman!
unidentified
You don't get to talk because you put the fucking fat kid in the way!
joe rogan
That's a bit that if Holtzman said we would be crying, we'd be slapping the table, we'd all gather around and watch him on a late night set.
theo von
It wouldn't be an issue.
joe rogan
Right?
It wouldn't be an issue at all.
Because we know that it's humor.
Yeah, it's a fucked up thing to say.
That's kind of the point.
The whole art form is about saying things that are funny.
Sometimes saying things that are funny are self-deprecating.
Sometimes they're fucked up.
They're always different.
Sometimes saying things that are funny is really adorable.
Sometimes someone will say something that's real adorable, but also hilarious.
Or your act.
This is odd.
Odd and hilarious.
Just very, very Theo Vaughn.
If I had to describe your act, I'd say it's very Theo Vaughn.
theo von
Really?
joe rogan
Yeah, it's you.
You know how to do it.
But it's like, everybody does it different, folks.
And you take a set from someone who's just working stuff out, and you pretend that this is done.
He's probably, half those words he's saying, he's probably trying to be in the moment.
He's probably got a place to go, kind of got some punchlines, and hoping that he'll see something in it while he's doing it and working it out.
And then you listen to the recording and you go, why did I say it that way?
Why did I do this?
And you change that and add this.
theo von
You have to learn.
joe rogan
Yeah.
And then, you know, you just can't expect them all to be good either.
theo von
Not immediately.
Especially when the guy's been on trial or been under that social pressure or probably been dealing with remorse and going to self-help.
I mean, who knows what he's been doing.
joe rogan
This is my take on a lot of this, and I think this is an important thing to say.
We can't lose our empathy.
We can't lose our compassion.
We should be compassionate towards victims.
We should be compassionate towards each other.
This tendency to want to stop people from working and being – There's a certain amount of time where it passes and it starts to look like you don't want anyone to have a path to redemption.
theo von
Right.
joe rogan
Everyone's got to have a path to redemption.
theo von
We have to, because we're all faulty.
joe rogan
We're all human.
But there was an article about it that I just retweeted today from Nick Christakis, who is a professor at Yale.
I retweeted it today, earlier, and it's about call-out culture and these people that got called out for things and how it destroyed their lives.
People that you don't even know.
theo von
Yeah.
joe rogan
One small punk scene where these two people got called out for stuff, but it's like, oh, the subscription.
They got us with a subscription.
Got to subscribe to the New York Times, bro.
You got to pay for good journalism.
I pay.
theo von
I'm having this account, actually, if you want to use mine.
joe rogan
Do you have a Times account?
theo von
I think I do.
joe rogan
I had one, but I tried to renew the other day, and I couldn't because these cunts stole my fucking American Express card, and I didn't get my new one yet.
theo von
Who did the people wear it?
On an airplane?
joe rogan
Oh, some fucking piece of shit criminals.
unidentified
Yeah.
theo von
Fucking crazy.
joe rogan
They started charging up shit.
One of them was Toys R Us in India.
theo von
Oh, wow.
joe rogan
Okay.
theo von
Dude, I love seeing what people charge when they do steal from you.
It is kind of fun, isn't it?
Isn't it crazy?
You're like pissed that they stole, but you're like, oh, wow.
joe rogan
A lot of it was $1.
theo von
They got an ottoman.
joe rogan
A lot of it was $1.
And I was like, what are you doing?
Maybe they bang the card out for like $101.
theo von
Or maybe it's got a snack.
Sometimes you run in places to get a snack, get a gum.
No, I think so.
joe rogan
It was all online stuff.
theo von
I bought a Reese or something the other day.
It was $0.88.
joe rogan
Yeah, that would be a stupid thing to hit someone's card for.
You'd want to get a jewel.
theo von
Yeah, that's true.
joe rogan
Get one of those really expensive vape pens.
theo von
Yeah.
joe rogan
Get him up for that 29 bucks.
theo von
How crazy, though, that that's the future, that now it's like that.
Like, I was thinking the other day that having a baby inside of your body, this is going to be like the last...
unidentified
Retro.
theo von
Yeah, retro.
That's becoming retro.
joe rogan
Yo, they're going to take it out for sure.
There was a baby that was born today inside the amniotic sac.
Did you see that?
theo von
That's a damn goldfish, isn't it?
joe rogan
Oh, it's crazy.
unidentified
You're seeing the baby inside the sack.
joe rogan
I mean, I don't know what the story was, because I'm a notorious headline reader.
I read headliners.
jamie vernon
I just Googled it, and it's not a thing.
It happens, apparently.
joe rogan
Well, I don't care if it happens all the time.
I want to see it.
jamie vernon
There's 16 incredible photos of babies born.
joe rogan
But it was an article that was going around the internet today.
Baby born.
It's a video of the baby moving around inside this sack.
It's very weird.
theo von
That's a damn...
joe rogan
You got it?
jamie vernon
There's one on YouTube here.
theo von
That's a dumpling, dude, if you're downtown, huh?
What is that?
joe rogan
Yeah, it's a dumpling.
They're very small.
It's not that.
jamie vernon
Oh, wow.
joe rogan
See if you can find it.
I believe I saw it on Instagram.
theo von
Let me see that baby, man.
Do you think when babies are born, right when they're born...
joe rogan
Look at that, though.
That's basically the same thing.
That's the baby inside the sack.
theo von
That's one of those things they eat sometimes on those game shows.
joe rogan
Oh, so I'm guessing this is a cesarean section.
It happens once every 80,000 births.
That is amazing that you can see what the baby looks like when it's in there.
Holy crap, that's incredible.
unidentified
That's crazy.
theo von
Oh, it's Spanish.
It was in Spain.
joe rogan
Human beings making human beings...
theo von
That's crazy, huh?
joe rogan
This is exactly what I saw.
This one is exactly what I saw.
How crazy is that?
Might be upsetting for some.
You're about to see the amniotic sac being opened.
jamie vernon
Looks like an old man.
theo von
Upsetting?
That's how we exist.
joe rogan
Yeah, but people aren't ready for life.
We're going to keep you from life.
We're going to keep you from everything.
There it is.
Bam, the sac.
Oh, shit.
Kids free.
theo von
Oh, wow.
Ooh, you could see a little bit of butt on that one.
joe rogan
Oh, Lordy.
Yeah, that is crazy.
theo von
Do you ever think that maybe if a baby is born a certain way, like missionary or doggy style, that it could affect the way that they live their life?
I thought about that before.
joe rogan
Well, you should probably understand how babies are born.
They have to come out head first.
If the baby comes out doggy style, you've got to spin them around inside the womb, literally.
theo von
Okay, but what if the person is doggy style when they have the baby, though?
joe rogan
Oh, different thing.
Yeah, your kid's probably going to be a freak.
theo von
Yeah, that's great.
joe rogan
If you doggy style it...
Yeah, doggy style is like, we're not making love, we're fucking.
theo von
Yeah, doggy style is basically just kind of...
Yeah, it's like getting to know each other quickly.
joe rogan
Well, it's just a different kind of fucking.
theo von
Yeah.
joe rogan
It's like, oh, this is some dirty shit.
theo von
Yeah, it's fast.
Or slow.
Sometimes it depends on how you're feeling sometimes.
I missed sex when I was young, man.
Sober sex is for fucking kit.
joe rogan
What is this with you missing your youth?
theo von
I just love being young.
Look at this lady.
joe rogan
What are you doing?
I don't want to watch a lady give birth, you son of a bitch.
jamie vernon
It's not video.
joe rogan
Get out of here.
jamie vernon
She's in a river.
joe rogan
She's giving birth in a river.
It's cold in the river, you crazy bitch.
That's melted glaciers.
theo von
That's that Wim Hof birth, bro.
unidentified
The fuck out of here.
joe rogan
You don't want to do that to your poor little kid.
And if it's not, then it's warm.
And if it's warm, it's filled with bacteria.
unidentified
Get the fuck out of the river and go to the hospital, hippie!
No!
joe rogan
No, you can't have a baby in your bathtub if you live in fucking Brooklyn.
Go to the goddamn hospital!
It's right down the street.
Don't you love your kid?
theo von
Yeah.
joe rogan
You figured out a better way.
Look at this hippie.
theo von
Look at this lady.
joe rogan
First of all, she's in Australia.
Well, there's spiders that are going to crawl into her pussy right now and kill the baby before it even comes out.
theo von
They have seven of the eight most dangerous snakes in the world are in Australia.
joe rogan
I was trying to tell my friend Adam Greentree yesterday.
He doesn't want to believe me.
theo von
Very.
The brown snake, the Australian brown snake, dude?
joe rogan
Kill the shit out of you.
theo von
Oh, kill that little fucking creek, bitch.
joe rogan
Speaking of Australian brown snake, that's how she got pregnant in the first place.
unidentified
Oh, you see what I did there?
theo von
Dude, a lot of...
Man, my sister almost got knocked up by a brother once, man.
unidentified
Almost, huh?
theo von
You never know.
Yeah.
joe rogan
Almost.
What's almost?
He fucked her?
theo von
I mean, I don't know if they fucked, but they...
joe rogan
Well, that's almost.
theo von
They were thinking about baby names, so I would assume that they had had some type of interaction.
joe rogan
Oh, so they were going to do it on purpose?
theo von
I don't know.
I think that...
joe rogan
Well, they were thinking about baby names in case they fucked up?
unidentified
Yeah.
joe rogan
Boy, that's a weird plan in the head.
How about just wear a condom or...
theo von
But I think that's a dude's move if you think you might have knocked a girl up and you still want to stay with her.
You'd be like, oh, let's talk about baby names, you know what I'm saying, until you ride out that...
joe rogan
Until you bail?
theo von
That menstrual cycle.
No, until you know that the menstrual cycle is back around.
joe rogan
Oh, yeah.
theo von
You know?
joe rogan
Yeah.
theo von
Can people have a spiritual cycle on a full moon or not?
joe rogan
It's a weird thing if you're having sex with somebody and you like having sex with them, but you don't like hanging out with them.
theo von
Yeah.
joe rogan
That happens for guys and girls.
unidentified
Yeah.
theo von
That happens for a lot of guys, I know.
joe rogan
Dude, it happens.
theo von
And girls, too.
joe rogan
It happens.
I've heard girls say that.
Like, I don't even like hanging out with them anymore, but I like fucking them.
theo von
It's changing now, and a lot more girls are being very much like guys used to be.
joe rogan
Well, they can be.
First, the birth control pill, then dating apps.
They can get a hold of people.
theo von
And money.
joe rogan
Yeah.
theo von
Now they have options.
joe rogan
Yeah, but the thing about dating apps, that's got to be...
Just as weird as dating for a girl.
Almost weirder, maybe, right?
Because you can't even see the person.
theo von
Right.
I mean, you can see pictures of them.
joe rogan
Yeah, but you don't see them when they're looking at your profile.
theo von
Right.
You should be able to see how they look at your profile.
joe rogan
How many people are looking at your profile at any given moment?
That's a nightmare in and of itself.
theo von
Yeah.
When you think about that, imagine people just looking at you and saying no in the distance all the time.
It has to be bad for us.
joe rogan
Somebody will say yes.
The thing is you're playing the numbers.
Maybe in that sense it's better because the only people that get a hold of you are the people that say yes.
theo von
Right.
joe rogan
So you miss all the no's.
theo von
That's true.
joe rogan
But what I was going to say is having a baby with someone that you don't really like.
theo von
Yeah.
joe rogan
That's a possibility.
If you just like to have sex with them, and then when you're done, you're like, I gotta go.
theo von
Yeah.
And you can't go because the baby's around.
joe rogan
People have fuck buddies.
Everyone has.
Guys and girls have fuck buddies.
Yeah.
Almost everyone I know has had one in the past where you weren't in a relationship with them, really.
theo von
You drive over and fuck.
joe rogan
And bang.
And then, all right, bye.
theo von
Yeah, bye.
But do you kiss at the end?
That's a lot of chicks these days, I think.
joe rogan
They don't even want to kiss you.
theo von
They don't even want to kiss you.
Someone don't even want to see you.
Sometimes you'll open the door, the girl's there, ready to fuck, and then just walks off in the other direction when you're done.
joe rogan
Yeah, she puts a blindfold on you.
She bird boxes you when you walk in the room.
theo von
Women are done with us, man.
joe rogan
They're done.
theo von
I feel like they're done.
Do you feel like that?
joe rogan
I think it's a precarious time.
A lot of chicks are probably going lesbo this week.
Especially with Trump, I think the more days that the government is shut down, the more women are going to go lesbian.
They're going to hate men so much because of Trump, they're just going to go gay.
Gay people right now are going, that's not how it works!
Duh.
Remember what I said earlier about jokes?
theo von
What's funny to me is gay guys are always like, I'm going to turn this guy out.
And that always sounds alarming.
joe rogan
That does work.
theo von
But that sounds alarming.
joe rogan
It does sound alarming.
But it does work.
I don't want to say his name.
I almost said his name.
He worked on...
He was not an actor, but he worked in the world of acting.
And he told me that he blew a lot of straight guys.
unidentified
Mm-hmm.
joe rogan
He said that was just something that happened.
They'd have a couple drinks and pretend they'd never done it before.
Next thing you know...
Yeah.
theo von
I got that delicious mouth.
That's what a lot of gay dudes say.
joe rogan
It was either him doing them or them doing him.
But he's like, you'd be amazed at how many, you know, air quotes, straight guys are out there.
unidentified
I'm like, whoa.
theo von
Yeah.
joe rogan
Maybe he just knows how to swing it.
theo von
But would you, do you think...
Is it less homosexual to jerk a guy off with your left hand?
Are you left-handed or right-handed?
joe rogan
Right-handed.
theo von
So yeah, if you jerk a guy off with your left hand.
joe rogan
It's gayer to do it with my left hand.
The one that doesn't work as well, because it'll take longer.
theo von
Yeah, but you don't really have...
But it's understandable.
I feel like it's understandable if you do it with your left hand, because that's barely even your hand.
joe rogan
No.
It's my hand, bro.
theo von
Yeah, whoa, whoa, relax.
unidentified
I feel it.
theo von
It's going to be fine.
You're not going to feel that much of it, though.
joe rogan
No, you should jerk him off with your right hand, so you should be effective and get it done with, unless you like holding on to dicks longer.
Dude, I'm like, don't come yet!
Don't come yet!
You look at him, hey, buddy.
I'm right here.
I'm your pal.
I know what's going to happen.
You're going to come, and you're not going to want to hang out with me anymore.
unidentified
Oh, gosh, man.
joe rogan
No, no, I wouldn't do that.
Just go faster.
Go faster.
No, I don't believe you.
theo von
Dude, I think you...
I think using that left hand, that's the party move, you know?
Because you can still use this hand to be on your phone.
You can do other stuff.
joe rogan
Then you're not concentrating on the jerking the guy off.
Look, once you commit to doing something gay, just get it done, son.
Just get after it.
theo von
That's true.
joe rogan
Okay?
You don't want to be out there halfway jerking a guy off while you're pretending that you're looking at your mentions, checking your email.
theo von
But also, what about this, though?
If you are aggressively, very effectively jerking a guy off, and then you can barely use your phone, it looks like you're just like maybe a gay or bi gentleman that's on some dope or something.
joe rogan
Listen, you're doing gay shit, whether you're on your phone or not.
theo von
Okay, that's a good point.
joe rogan
It's not like it acts as a condom to prevent you from gayness.
You're doing gay things, man.
You're holding on to a dick.
You just gotta accept that and keep moving.
There's a lot of gay people.
theo von
You're right.
Just take the next right action.
joe rogan
There's gay people doing shit that's gay.
There's straight people doing shit that's gay.
theo von
Oh, everything's changing now.
joe rogan
If you've chosen to jerk that man off, once you commit to that project, just keep going.
What's the payoff?
What do you got out of jerking him off?
theo von
I don't know.
I don't think.
joe rogan
Let me ask you this.
Here's a question.
theo von
Okay.
joe rogan
If there was a place...
theo von
Does this conversation seem gay or not?
joe rogan
If life was free, if you could really do whatever you want, if you're a grown adult, you could do whatever you want.
I mean, that's one of the interesting things about society, is that we set up these rules in cultures, and we decide what you can do, and what we decide is different when they decide in society.
Holland is different when they decide.
Yeah, everybody's got different rules.
But once we set those rules, it's very hard to buck those rules.
Now, let's just pretend there was no rules.
What if there was a place where guys would go and guys would jerk them off?
theo von
Like New Jerks.
joe rogan
Yeah, like, if there was a place where straight guys got a job jerking guys off, but you get paid $1,000 an hour, You don't think the straight guys would take that job, straight struggling guys, that they would morph and figure out a way?
Oh, just over a generation or two.
Just a generation or two.
If you could make $1,000 an hour beating guys off.
theo von
Yeah.
jamie vernon
It started as like a niche job.
theo von
If you could wear an oven mitt while you do it, I would do it.
jamie vernon
Is it niche or niche?
joe rogan
Do we figure that out?
unidentified
Okay.
theo von
If you could wear an oven mitt while you do it, I would do it.
joe rogan
No, no, no, no, no.
Warm oil in your bare skin.
That's the only way to jerk guys off.
You gotta do it quick.
theo von
No way, bro.
Dude, there's way other ways, man.
You could definitely, dude.
One way you could do is even, you don't even wrap your hand, you just do like that, release sideways style.
joe rogan
It's like Kentucky Fried Chicken is only one batter.
That crispy batter's bullshit.
Nobody likes that crispy batter.
Get the fuck out of here with your crispy batter.
theo von
Dude, I'm trying to think.
If I had to jerk...
One thing about jerking off to me, I feel like there's not as much cum in your body as there could be.
You know what I'm saying?
You don't get that much out.
joe rogan
Well, it depends on what you're jerking off to and how focused you are on the task.
If you're jerking off while you're looking at your phone, but you're checking your Twitter and you're also beating off, you're a multitasker.
theo von
But you're not going to get a lot no matter how you do it.
joe rogan
Really?
theo von
Yeah, how much do you get?
You get like a little bit.
joe rogan
How much do you get?
Like if you had to compare it to something, like a quarter?
theo von
No, probably like maybe an eleventh of a handful, I guess.
I don't know.
How big is your hand?
Dude, do you still masturbate as an adult?
joe rogan
No, I do it as a child.
What I do is I put a diaper on.
unidentified
It makes me feel like I'm rejuvenating myself.
theo von
I feel like you'd rip your dick off if you tried to masturbate, bro.
That's what I feel like.
joe rogan
Dude, I hold my kids' hands.
I know how to hold things gently.
theo von
Yeah, that's true, man.
I... I don't know, man.
I actually masturbated yesterday, and I feel bad about it sometimes, but...
joe rogan
Why?
theo von
I don't know.
For some reason, I feel bad.
unidentified
They got us.
joe rogan
That's the thing.
It's a cultural thing.
They got us when we were young.
Think about it this way.
What if the culture was all stand-up comedy culture?
Because arguably, stand-up comedians have a different culture and a different way of looking at things.
theo von
Yes.
joe rogan
And definitely a very deep camaraderie between fellow practitioners, right?
theo von
Yeah.
joe rogan
If that was the culture, was the stand-up comedy culture, was the whole world, you wouldn't give a fuck if you beat off.
theo von
Right.
joe rogan
You wouldn't even be slightly embarrassed.
theo von
Right.
I'd tell people.
joe rogan
You'd tell people.
theo von
I'd tell people where it's at.
joe rogan
Sure.
Ari would tell me all the time how many times you beat off twice today.
We all tell each other how we beat off or what we beat off to.
theo von
I don't like it as much as I used to when I was young.
That's my thing.
joe rogan
Well, you're probably healthier.
theo von
Yeah.
joe rogan
You know?
It's like you've gotten older, you're more comfortable, you're successful.
theo von
Yeah, it just feels like a novice move if I'm still jerking off, and it's 2019. It's certainly a distraction, too.
unidentified
Yeah.
joe rogan
There's something about, especially looking at porn.
There's...
I'm not anti-porn.
I don't want anybody to get me wrong.
I think you should be able to do whatever you want to do, ultimately.
And I think a lot of why people have bad opinions about people doing certain things is that we judge people when they do certain things.
And we have these ideas about them that we sort of impose on them.
But I think, for some people, porn is very useful.
But you have to have discipline.
See, the thing is, If you watch porn, and you watch two people have sex, and you get excited, and you jerk off, you just took care of some sexual needs that you had.
What could possibly be wrong with that?
The only thing that could be possibly wrong with it is that there's something wrong with these two people having sex and filming it.
Well, is there?
Like, doesn't everybody want to fuck?
I don't want to film myself fucking, but doesn't everybody want to have sex?
People love to have sex.
It's like one of the most important motivations that we have.
theo von
Oh, yeah.
Most people leave the house every day because they might have a chance to fuck.
joe rogan
For sure.
I mean, why do people, why do they get involved in romantic relationships in the first place?
Not just be nice to each other, but to fuck.
theo von
Eventually sometimes to fuck each other.
joe rogan
That's part of the whole thing.
theo von
Yeah.
joe rogan
So what is it about two people fucking on film that's so distasteful?
Well, you know, you don't want people to see your special thing, maybe, or you want to keep it private.
I get all those things.
theo von
It's gotten too fancy, though.
It's too high-def, though.
Real life can't compete with it, so then it's so...
joe rogan
But that's not always the case.
theo von
Oh, this stuff is right there.
joe rogan
But it's not.
Real life, though, it's not as good.
It's not as good as real life.
theo von
But I think that it's visually, it starts to get that it's better.
And it starts to get where...
Like sometimes, I'm 40 days off pornography right now, right?
joe rogan
Oh, really?
theo von
Yeah.
joe rogan
Oh, so you're like on a pornography detox.
theo von
Oh, dude, I don't ever want to see it again.
joe rogan
Really?
unidentified
Yeah.
theo von
If somebody tries to get their pussy out, I'm like, you stop.
joe rogan
Let me say this to you, though.
You also had the same kind of issue with drugs and alcohol.
theo von
Right.
joe rogan
So you have like an addictive personality.
theo von
Yeah, that's a good point.
So I have an addictive personality.
joe rogan
This is what I was saying earlier, that I think that...
The thing itself is not necessarily bad and for some people can actually provide a service, right?
unidentified
Yeah.
joe rogan
Like it helps them to jerk off.
I don't understand why that would be bad.
The only thing that you would say is, and this is...
I don't know how factual this is because I haven't done any surveys, but what I've read is that a lot of the people that get involved in that are victims of abuse.
That's disturbing, right?
You don't want to hear that.
But then some of them aren't.
Some of them do it because they want to do it.
theo von
Yeah.
joe rogan
Like, isn't that okay?
That seems more okay than someone who's doing it because they're a victim of abuse and they're desperately seeking love and attention and they don't know how to do it.
theo von
That's a good point.
joe rogan
So then you look at it like in terms of, but you just, that's, looking at that is like, well then don't laugh at comedy.
theo von
Right.
joe rogan
Because if you laugh at comedy, almost everybody that's a comedian's fucked up or been fucked over.
I mean, that's really why they get into it in the first place, because they desperately need attention.
They want to be special.
They want to be something.
They're like, look at me, look at me.
So they figure out how to be funny.
But usually those are victims of abuse.
Like, in some way, shape, or form.
Not all of them.
theo von
Right, because they need the affection.
They need something from people.
joe rogan
Maybe six out of ten, right?
Yeah.
Maybe, and I'm being real generous.
Yeah, yeah.
So there's so many things that you could look at that like that.
You know, like something good comes out of stand-up, right?
So we just accept that that's okay to laugh at these fucked-up people that tell these jokes.
But you know what I mean?
Like a guy like Joey Diaz.
unidentified
Oh, yeah.
joe rogan
I mean, that guy's lived everything.
He's seen everything.
But it's okay to laugh at the chaos that his life was because the jokes are so funny.
You know, it's weird, right?
But it's not okay To look at, like, even if the girl's enjoying porn, if you find out that at some point in time she was molested, and that possibly was one of the motivating factors that led her into porn, then you get super weird about it.
theo von
Yeah.
joe rogan
Then you have to think about it.
theo von
They should put that on the thing, like, percentage chance of somebody that was molested in the video.
And I think that that would deter people from watching us some.
joe rogan
Do you think so?
theo von
Yeah, man.
My thing is just, I started to think of sex then in frames.
Like, okay, I gotta meet the girl, and then we have to walk over by a...
I have to see this, then I have to see that, then that happens, and that's sex.
So I started to interpret it that way.
I don't know.
Sex was just fun when you were young.
Remember when you were fucking...
Imagine being 16 and fucking somebody else that was 16, bro.
joe rogan
You know what I want to hear in the background when I'm saying this?
The song, Live and Let Die.
When you were young.
theo von
And young.
They used to say.
unidentified
And your heart was an open book.
theo von
Who was that?
Diana Ross?
Who sings that?
joe rogan
Oh, Paul McCartney and Wings, motherfucker.
theo von
Wings, bro.
joe rogan
That was from James Bond.
Oh, that's right.
That's right.
Guns N' Roses did it.
Oh, they did it, boy.
That was one time where the fucking remake was so good, you kind of forgot it was in their own song.
unidentified
We've been dancing.
joe rogan
Can I hear some of this?
If only we hear it.
theo von
Has Axl been on your podcast, Joe?
joe rogan
No, I'd definitely have him on, man.
theo von
Wow.
joe rogan
I would definitely have that guy on.
theo von
I can't imagine.
joe rogan
He seems to have come back from the brink, right?
theo von
Yeah, who knows what kind of ego happened and what all happened whenever they went through everything.
joe rogan
Give me some volume so I can hear it at least.
I want to hear him say that at the beginning part.
Yeah, here we go, here we go.
theo von
Yeah.
joe rogan
Look out.
So he was, for years, he went crazy.
unidentified
Yeah.
joe rogan
He vanished, was trying to make that one album forever, right?
Took many, many years.
And everybody's like, God damn it, Axl Rose went crazy.
And you'd see him, you're like, damn, it was a shame.
Guns N' Roses was so good.
theo von
So good.
joe rogan
And then slowly but surely, he fucking came back.
Like, really came back.
Like, he's fucking back.
Like, that dude tours with ACDC now.
theo von
Yeah.
joe rogan
I mean, he crushes it.
I saw some videos of him on stage.
He's a fucking animal again.
theo von
He looks like Hart a little bit, like one of the people from Hart.
But that's just age and time, you know?
joe rogan
That's just...
Oh, I don't think it's age and time.
I think there's a lot of other ingredients.
theo von
Could be shrimp.
joe rogan
You gotta throw some shit onto that mix.
theo von
It wasn't living right.
joe rogan
But Slash looks the same.
theo von
Oh, Slash looks the same.
joe rogan
But that's what I'm saying.
They're both the same age.
They started out together.
Or close to the same age at least.
unidentified
Dude, how much fun must that be to be a musician?
joe rogan
I think it's too much fun.
This is my theory.
I think it's too much fun and I think they don't even have to write new shit.
So because they don't have to write new shit and it's too much fun, they're out there just fucking smashing every night.
Fucking smashing.
Smashing shows, smashing tour buses and hotel rooms.
Breaking shit.
Just smashing.
theo von
Fucking each other.
joe rogan
Smashing pussy.
Just smashing.
They're going crazy.
theo von
You probably wouldn't even notice if you fuck a dude if you're that famous, bro.
joe rogan
I think you notice.
I think you're wrong.
I beg to differ.
Oh, he's got a teleprompter.
theo von
What about a fast dude?
joe rogan
Did you know Axl Rose had a teleprompter?
I guess you want that if you're on all the drugs.
If you want all the drugs, not only do I want a teleprompter, I want it to be highlighted what I'm supposed to say.
unidentified
I mean, he's wearing hot pants.
He is so close.
joe rogan
He's wearing hot pants with high cowboy boots with socks.
theo von
Oh, damn, dude.
joe rogan
And a mesh top and tighty-whities.
theo von
So what is it that makes somebody so famous that they get close to being almost like a bisexual, you think?
joe rogan
You keep bringing up all this gay stuff.
Do I? Was your stepdad right?
theo von
No.
joe rogan
Bro.
theo von
I've never been gay, man.
joe rogan
Never, ever?
unidentified
Nope.
joe rogan
Never, ever, ever.
theo von
Never.
I mean, maybe when I'm 60 or 70, I'll bust out.
unidentified
Give it a try.
theo von
You know?
I'll come on somebody, but I'm not doing anything now.
I want a family and everything.
joe rogan
I think they're so free with their expression that they wear whatever the fuck they want.
And I think that's a part of the culture of really huge musicians is that they get very free with their looks, their sexuality.
Like, look at him with his ripped up pants.
unidentified
Wow.
joe rogan
Axl Rose back when he was a cutie pie.
Or David Bowie.
David Bowie when he was in his androgynous stage.
Prince.
I mean, you can go on and on and on about men.
Fucking Mick Jagger.
Mick Jagger would swing his hips and puff his lips out.
Well, Elvis is more manly.
That was a manly thing.
theo von
But he wore women's clothing and women's stuff from like...
He wore stuff from like...
joe rogan
Scarves and shit, is that what you're saying?
theo von
No, what's that women's clothing store that's in every like little city?
joe rogan
Victoria Secrets?
theo von
No, it's for like kind of more, you know, Lane Bryant.
joe rogan
Oh, he wore the big fat lady stuff?
theo von
Is that what you're saying?
joe rogan
Is there a dude clothes store for fat guys?
jamie vernon
Big and tall.
theo von
Big and tall, they call it.
joe rogan
Yeah, but that's like some of them are tall slender guys.
theo von
It's called the J-Spot.
It's over there on Pico Boulevard.
Have you been there?
Jay Anthony always sells those suits over there on stage.
unidentified
Oh, really?
joe rogan
What's that?
theo von
Oh, there he is.
joe rogan
Is that him now?
theo von
That's him.
That could be the lady...
jamie vernon
Is that Cheryl Swopes?
joe rogan
No, he's...
That's...
unidentified
His hair looks weird like that.
theo von
It's like he went to spring break.
joe rogan
But that's Axl from younger days.
So that's when he had vanished for a while, right?
jamie vernon
Sort of like when he resurfaced.
joe rogan
Oh.
But when he did that, like, he did a big concert in Brazil, too, right?
unidentified
Yeah.
joe rogan
I remember listening to that, and his voice was kind of struggling a little bit.
Because he has such a scratchy voice, you know?
You gotta think, like, that voice is probably very difficult to maintain.
unidentified
Yeah.
joe rogan
But that primal fucking...
Welcome to the jungle!
Dude, that was the shit.
That was like right when I was graduating high school.
I remember I worked out at this shitty little gym and I'd be on the leg press machine listening to Welcome to the Jungle!
theo von
What kind of headphones did you have?
joe rogan
Uh, whatever they had.
theo von
The big ones though?
Oh yeah!
joe rogan
I had a Walkman with a cassette.
It might have been a disc player.
Well okay, that one's ridiculous.
That one makes...
theo von
Oh, who is that?
joe rogan
Is that recent?
theo von
Is that Holly Hunter?
joe rogan
That's him now?
No, it's not Holly Hunter.
You son of a bitch.
theo von
I don't even know who Holly Hunter is.
joe rogan
He's the lead singer for Guns N' Roses.
theo von
Oh, I love Guns N' Roses, dude.
joe rogan
How dare you call him Holly Hunter?
theo von
My brother and I used to beat each other in our room.
We'd fist fight in the yard to fucking Guns N' Roses, bro.
ACDC. It was the music of my childhood.
It was GNR, Alice in Chains.
joe rogan
That's a weird look.
The thermal, the flannel shirt tied around the waist.
What's that look?
Right.
But that's a weird look.
theo von
Yeah.
joe rogan
Like on purpose, that's a weird look.
theo von
It's that Darlene Connors.
joe rogan
When you're like, hey, I know I'm not going to wear this flannel shirt, but I'm going to tie it around my waist.
But hey, it's not really a skirt.
theo von
Right.
joe rogan
It's just like an accoutrement to my outfit of fake ripped pants.
unidentified
Yeah.
joe rogan
Right?
That's a weird look.
Isn't it a weird look?
theo von
Would you think you'd rather have like a little skirt or like be naked, do you think?
unidentified
Skirt.
joe rogan
I don't want people judging me.
theo von
Really?
joe rogan
Yeah, stop looking at my dick.
It's making me self-conscious.
theo von
But what if you had like a little dick hider, like a little thing that you could...
joe rogan
Still, look at how big is your dick hider.
You can't get no escape.
theo von
Would you ever wear a fake dick so that people thought your dick was bigger?
joe rogan
If I did, it would be an outrage.
I'd wrap around my waist, tuck it in the front.
I'd have it tucked in my sock.
And it would be green, like a Hulk dick.
Like a dark green.
theo von
People would know it's fake, though.
joe rogan
Like a kale dick.
theo von
People are like, oh, that guy's just fake, bro.
joe rogan
They'd be like, why is your dick green?
I'd be like, why are you looking at my dick?
Fuck away from my dick.
theo von
Dude, are people even going to have dicks in the future?
It just seems like everything's going away so fast, man.
joe rogan
Yeah, they're trying to do that with this new Gillette commercial.
You seen that Gillette commercial?
theo von
I heard about it though.
You can shave your buddy or something.
unidentified
No, no, no.
joe rogan
All these guys are really mad because it's like an anti-masculine Gillette commercial.
It makes like every man look like a misogynist piece of shit.
It's such a disturbing commercial.
It's like over and over again, men doing douchey shit.
Like, hey bro, aren't you selling razors?
theo von
Yeah.
unidentified
What are you doing?
joe rogan
You changing the world with your shitty fucking advertiser-based philosophy?
What are you doing?
Like, what are you doing?
Who fucking greenlit this?
theo von
I know.
joe rogan
If I was at Gillette, I'd be like, yo, yo, yo, guys.
People get hair, they want to fucking shave it.
It's not that complicated!
You're not going to fix it.
Imagine if you're a sexist, rapist piece of shit, and you see that Gillette commercial like, damn, I've got to switch my game up.
I've been too much of a dick.
Does anybody think that Gillette commercials are somehow or another in any way, shape, or form going to affect culture?
theo von
It's bad.
joe rogan
You're selling razors.
theo von
It's bad, bro.
joe rogan
It's just a razor.
theo von
I'd rather braid my fucking face hair than buy Gillette again.
joe rogan
But nobody wants to be lectured to.
We're tired of that.
theo von
So sick of that.
joe rogan
Stop it.
You don't have your shit together.
Nobody has their shit together.
And you're telling people how to get their shit together in a fucking razor blade act.
theo von
Yeah.
joe rogan
Yeah, don't be racist.
We know.
Yeah, I'm not.
Don't be a sexist.
Yeah, we know.
We know.
Most people aren't.
theo von
Yeah.
joe rogan
You got it.
Like, most people are.
The video's like most people are.
It's not most people are.
unidentified
It's crazy.
joe rogan
That's a disproportionate amount of people that are.
theo von
That's what I hate about a lot of the...
Just a lot of these...
The ideology today is like...
Like, they say everybody where I'm from is racist or everybody's like...
christian bible thumping yeah and it's not that's not true so many of the people i know are not that at all that it's unbelievable but so many of the people in some in these other places they don't even know anybody from there so it's like they have no idea but they immediately stereotype because of your accent too yeah you have a southern accent people assume you're not bright yeah it's so stupid
joe rogan
but it's also it's indicative of what the place used to be like like what the world used to be like was like a lot of the rural edge areas were less educated yeah now that there's the internet the world is a different place man you can meet cool people in wichita kansas you meet cool people everywhere everywhere you go you're going to run into pockets of cool people Cool people are everywhere, man.
theo von
And good people.
Good people are everywhere.
joe rogan
And they have different values.
And a lot of them are more community-oriented, more friendly.
We on this side and those on the east side, everybody gets this idea that everybody is like the people that live all stacked on top of each other, fucking like bees, swarming in the high.
Most people don't live like that, man.
Most people live somewhere where there's less folks.
theo von
They gotta relax.
They can throw a frisbee and not fucking hit anybody.
joe rogan
Yeah, most people, you look at the vast majority of the country, there's, what is there, 300 and how many people?
theo von
350. Billion?
joe rogan
Why is it 350 already?
jamie vernon
Nah, not quite, but I mean, we're on our way to...
theo von
What is it, billion?
joe rogan
Million, bro.
theo von
Million.
joe rogan
You were guessing billion?
theo von
I'm glad it's not billion.
joe rogan
I think there's...
theo von
Can you imagine that, man?
joe rogan
I would say 320. If I had to guess, I'd say 320. But I'd say it's...
325. 325. Right, but that's like, do they know about illegals?
jamie vernon
Yeah, I don't know.
theo von
Oh, who knows?
Probably two billion.
joe rogan
If they knew how many illegal aliens, wouldn't you be pissed?
Like, how do you know how many of them?
What are you doing?
You counting them?
unidentified
How do you know?
joe rogan
How are they still here, then?
theo von
Yeah, what's going on?
Dude, but you can't even raise your voice in it.
Like, I have to drive to Riverside to even fucking raise my voice, I feel like.
unidentified
Like, that's how too tight it is in L.A. 308 million people in the United States.
joe rogan
Oh, good.
Whoa, in 2010. But that's 2010. 2000, it was 281 million.
unidentified
Whoa.
jamie vernon
That's an increase, so.
joe rogan
Look at that, dude.
Just think of that.
20 fucking million people.
28, 29, 27 million people.
theo von
And who's fucking the most?
Are they saying?
Is it whites?
joe rogan
Oh, it's all whites, bro.
theo von
Is it really you think?
joe rogan
We're out fucking every race now, bro.
It's new.
theo von
No.
joe rogan
We've decided.
We've decided to take back our country.
No, man.
White people are on their way to being a serious minority.
theo von
Yeah.
joe rogan
That's going to happen.
theo von
Beige power, bro.
That's what I say.
Everybody.
joe rogan
Look, I love all the variety, but you know what it's like?
It's like we have nice things.
We can't have nice things.
We keep breaking things.
Because of racist people, you can't have all this wonderful diversity, so we're eventually all going to be gray.
We're going to be like those fucking aliens with the giant heads and we're going to have no dicks and we're all going to be the exact same thing.
So no one can criticize anyone on anything other than your thoughts.
theo von
Dang.
And they're going to be able to read each other's minds.
joe rogan
Yeah, that's what I think.
And I think we're going to ruin the environment so they have built-in eyeglasses.
When you're born, they just fucking glue these bitches onto your head, sort of like chicks with fake eyelashes.
theo von
Oh, yeah.
joe rogan
You just have these lenses that you put on.
When you're indoors, you peel the lenses off.
theo von
Otherwise, you can just see nature.
You can walk outside, but you can't really go far.
You can press a fern button, and ferns will pop up.
joe rogan
Why fern?
theo von
Well, just foliage or something.
Fauna foliage.
Maybe a deer runs by if you hit that side button.
joe rogan
I think nature in the future will probably be contained in these gigantic dome-like places, like one of them Stephen King books, and that's where you'll go to get into the nature.
Yeah, like a biodome with Pauly Shore and Stephen Baldwin.
I think that's what it's going to be like.
There's going to be nature places, and the rest of the world will be city.
The rest of the whole plan will be city, and our wildlife will be a bullshit wildlife.
It'll be like...
You know, a few thousand acres or something like that of a bunch of animals living together.
That's all that's left.
theo von
It'll be like a rabbit with a little story on its back or something.
joe rogan
Because if you look at overpopulation, and I'm not one of those doom and gloom people when it comes to overpopulation.
You know why?
Because I like people.
When people are like, yeah, there's too many fucking people.
I have good friends that think, you know, you want to help the world?
Don't have any kids.
I'm like, okay.
theo von
Yeah.
joe rogan
I get why you would say that, but don't you like people?
I love people.
People are awesome.
theo von
It's all I know.
joe rogan
I mean, some of them aren't awesome, but the vast majority are pretty cool.
theo von
Yeah.
joe rogan
Or at least capable of being pretty cool.
If you're cool to them and you establish sort of a community, being cool with each other, the vast majority of people are great.
theo von
People are nice.
People are, yeah, friendly.
joe rogan
Yes.
The vast majority.
So what's the problem?
The problem is there's too many of us, and we're not going to stop.
theo von
Right.
joe rogan
They're going to just...
theo von
I want to fuck somebody right now.
joe rogan
We're going to make people.
The question is, will they say, scientists say, That as people become more affluent and as they become more educated, they're less likely to have children or they have less children.
So they think that the best way to stop overpopulation is actually equality in the world.
Make the whole world basically like America, where everybody's just got a chance to get ahead and everybody has an awesome education and everybody has access to the best information.
theo von
It can't happen.
joe rogan
But if that does happen, that's what's going to curb overpopulation.
Otherwise, the people that are the least educated, they're not going to have the same access to – like in countries where people are poorer, for instance, they want to have more kids because they want the kids to take care of them, too.
That's a big thing, right?
That's a big thing in traditional communities.
And they're tighter.
And here's the weird thing.
If you talk to scientists, they will tell you that arguably those are happier people.
These happy people that live in these villages and stuff, and they all enjoy each other's company, even though, in our mind, it's a hardscrabble life.
They're living in a third world country in a village.
But if they have access to food, like say if they live in the Amazon or something like that.
theo von
They have much food you can get in there.
joe rogan
You've got a lot of food, man.
Like, I know how you would say, hey, I don't want to live that way, so these people live in the wrong way.
You know, they have fucking ten kids laying on them and shit, and they're all community in this hut together, and you're like, that looks terrible.
theo von
They're all hotboxing that bitch, too.
A lot of times you see the whole family's in there fucking smoking dope, though, too.
joe rogan
But meanwhile, those people can be, like, really happy.
jamie vernon
Yeah.
joe rogan
They can arguably be happier than a comparable group of people in Western civilization that you would just grab.
theo von
100%.
And why is it black families?
A lot of black families are still in the woods.
Do you notice that, a lot of the tribes?
They're kind of...
Or they're, I guess, maybe not black, but it's like a Latino or darker...
Like a not...
I don't know what...
I guess it's like a more universal shade, almost.
Kind of like a sofa color.
joe rogan
Well, if you're in the jungle...
You're obviously in a hot climate.
If you're in a hot climate, you better develop some fucking melanin in your skin.
theo von
Yeah, that's what it is, is melanin.
They got more melanin families.
joe rogan
I mean, if you look at it...
I'm Italian, mostly.
If you look at it...
I have some Irish in me, too.
But if you look at Italians who are in the sun all the time, dude, they get dark as fuck.
theo von
Yeah.
joe rogan
You know?
And if you were seven...
Plus generations of people living in this one area where you're exposed to like tropical sunlight all the time.
Man, you would brown the fuck up or you wouldn't make it.
theo von
Yeah, that's true.
I go to Costa Rica even for a couple days and I'm fucking, you know, browned out and my face is all, you know, kind of has pus in it from the sun.
joe rogan
But I think people evolving in a place like that, like being there hundreds and hundreds and hundreds of years, maybe thousands of years, you adapt to that environment.
The preferential, the preferable genes are the ones that make it through.
theo von
Yeah, and those people have joy.
Those families have a lot of joy because they have their family around.
If somebody dies, they have them right there.
Everything's just a lot more communal, I think.
There's just a lot more love.
unidentified
Way more communal.
joe rogan
Right.
Like they don't have cars.
They don't have modern weapons.
They have to hunt with these bows and arrows they make themselves.
But they do have pots.
They have some things, you know, but also depending on what tribe, obviously.
theo von
And also your life expectancy is probably not as long.
So if you do die and you believe in a higher power, then you get to go see them quicker.
You probably have reincarnation.
Your friend that died could now be a plant or a coyote that you meet or something.
I'm sure in a lot of their cultures, it's a lot of...
You know, it's just, things are more just all intertwined, you know, human in nature.
joe rogan
Well, that was big with Native American cultures, right?
Like, they thought that coyotes were, I mean, in many different tribes, the way they looked at coyotes, almost like they had some magic to them or something.
theo von
Yeah.
joe rogan
They're wise.
theo von
Well, they're up all night.
I mean, I could see that.
joe rogan
Yeah.
You're in that tent, sleeping, sleeping off that hashish high.
unidentified
And you hear, ah, ah, ah, ah, ah!
joe rogan
A coyote got trapped in a bathroom.
I'm not surprised by that.
I want to say it was in South Carolina or North Carolina.
theo von
They're wild, man.
joe rogan
But it's in this bathroom, and these guys have to get it out of the bathroom.
And it's sitting on the sink.
It's crazy.
And they had to use one of them long poles that they jacked dogs.
You know, they grab them around the neck.
You see it?
I knew it was one of those places.
theo von
In Nashville?
joe rogan
Yeah.
theo von
I could see that.
joe rogan
Dude, it's a cool little video, but it's weird.
Those little fuckers are everywhere now.
They are everywhere.
theo von
Well, raccoons are really dangerous.
They're always doing, you know, very violent.
joe rogan
The Nashville Music Hall.
theo von
Oh, that's beautiful.
joe rogan
So they're in this hall in a boat show.
Look at him.
He's chilling.
unidentified
He's a very photogenic coyote.
joe rogan
How weird.
So what they did was, they captured it, and they said that if they brought it to an animal shelter, they would have euthanized it.
So instead, they captured it and let it loose in the woods.
unidentified
Which is cool.
theo von
Do you have any animals that you don't tell people that you have?
Like any secret animals?
joe rogan
I keep a lot of giraffes.
theo von
Do you really, though?
joe rogan
Yeah, I keep them under leaves.
theo von
I can see you having something, though.
Have you thought about it?
joe rogan
I used to have piranhas, allegedly.
theo von
And what do they keep in a tank?
joe rogan
Yeah, you keep me in a tank.
You know you used to be able to buy a human skeleton online?
I used to have a human skeleton at the bottom of my piranha tank.
theo von
Really?
joe rogan
How weird is that?
You buy a skeleton.
theo von
And what can you do with it?
joe rogan
I don't think you can anymore.
I bet you can't buy them anymore.
But you used to be able to just buy a human skeleton.
theo von
How long can you keep it the whole time?
joe rogan
Forever.
unidentified
Fuck.
joe rogan
Who was it?
Here's the funny thing.
I got rid of it.
And when I got rid of it, I'm like, man, I'm going to throw away this human skeleton.
Some questions might come with this.
theo von
You would think it'd be like a cabbage patch, y'all, like it comes with a little birth certificate.
joe rogan
We buried it, which is even worse, probably.
unidentified
Yeah.
joe rogan
Because then people are going to be like, what the fuck?
Someone got killed here.
theo von
Yeah.
joe rogan
Someone's going to find it someday.
Go, what the fuck?
It's going to be a giant mystery.
theo von
That sounds fun.
I always love mystery, man.
joe rogan
The thing is, somebody might have died.
Somebody might have killed somebody and sold their bones.
theo von
It's probably one of those...
joe rogan
Is that real?
Yeah.
theo von
Who is that?
joe rogan
What does it say?
theo von
Is that Little John?
joe rogan
Look at this thing.
Male from India in good condition.
12 teeth present.
The rest broken missing.
There is lipping on the lumbar vertebrae.
What?
That's $5,000.
You could buy a fucking human skeleton.
Holy shit.
Dude, there's several of them for sale?
So the lumbar vertebrae lipping, you know what that means?
I think that means his back's fucked up.
And what happens is the discs themselves, the lumbar vertebrae, the actual vertebrae, the bone piece, from wearing against each other, it starts to spur and develop like a curve to the bottom.
I think they're calling that lipping.
See if that's what that means.
Lipping on the lumbar vertebra.
Lipping.
Lipping on it.
Yeah.
theo von
Yeah, I got that.
joe rogan
Okay, let's see that.
Yep, that's what it is.
Yeah, see that image, upper left?
Left?
Right there?
Yeah.
See how it curves over the top?
theo von
Oh, yeah.
joe rogan
Osteophyte.
Osteophyte grating, or lipping.
Yeah.
See, as your disc gets smashed, your bones try to protect themselves, and they grow this extra bone tissue.
And sometimes that, obviously, I'm not a doctor, and if you are a doctor, stop yelling.
I don't know what I'm talking about.
theo von
Yeah.
joe rogan
But sometimes people, that shit causes sciatica, either inflamed discs poke out and poke into the nerves, or the bone pokes it, or it causes inflammation in the area.
Eddie Bravo has that.
theo von
He does?
joe rogan
Yeah, Eddie Bravo had his...
He got his whole disc replaced with a titanium disc.
L5S1? Yeah.
unidentified
Wow.
joe rogan
Yeah, he gained an inch in height, too.
theo von
Did he really?
joe rogan
Yes, he did.
Well, his back's all fucked up, so, like, you gotta think, like, your discs are these things, right?
These little gel things, and there's probably a bunch of them.
theo von
And they bust.
joe rogan
And when they smash and get smashed down to nothing...
I mean, he was basically bone on bone.
He had almost no disc.
So he was in a constant state of inflammation in his lower back.
unidentified
That's horrible.
theo von
I need to text him.
joe rogan
Like, he couldn't sit down sometimes.
He'd have to stand up, and he would have to hold his lower back.
And he just dealt with the pain forever.
But it was like almost nothing there.
So his bones were on top of each other.
They replaced that and put this thing.
They shove it in there.
theo von
Fucking two-story Eddie.
He's fucking buying new shirts.
joe rogan
Yeah.
But he actually is no longer in pain.
That's what's amazing.
theo von
Yeah.
joe rogan
And this is an articulating titanium disc.
So they used to have to fuse your vertebrae together.
theo von
Yeah, that's what I've heard of.
joe rogan
They don't have to do that in every case anymore.
Sometimes they still do it for some reasons.
Doctors don't know what they're talking about, but for many people now, this articulating titanium disc is now an option.
theo von
I might have to check it out.
joe rogan
Yeah, I know.
theo von
Because I have L5S1. I had a surgery, part of it taken out.
joe rogan
How bad is it?
Does it hurt?
theo von
It hurt bad.
Yeah, now it's better.
unidentified
Does it hurt now?
theo von
No, it's better now, but sometimes I have sciatica, though.
joe rogan
Do you ever stretch it out?
theo von
Yeah.
joe rogan
Do you ever use one of those teeter inversion tables?
theo von
No, I just got something free from you guys that were in the lobby.
What's that thing called?
Proformis or whatever?
joe rogan
Oh, that's a So-Right.
theo von
Yeah.
joe rogan
That's a So-As.
So-As massager.
Isn't that great?
theo von
So-As.
joe rogan
Yeah.
That's this muscle in here.
theo von
Oh, I'm going to cum on that thing.
That thing feels fucking good, bro.
Sorry, bro.
unidentified
Rude.
theo von
That thing feels good.
joe rogan
You are so horny today.
theo von
Dude, I had to drive.
It's like a 20-minute drive over here.
joe rogan
Oh, that gets you horny?
Driving?
Nothing like driving.
theo von
Dude, no.
I'll say this.
Things that get me a wreck these days.
Driving?
Being on planes, you know that.
joe rogan
Bumpy roads.
Get one of those bumpy roads owners.
Those are real.
theo von
You asked me one time, remember they had a lady, I got an erection on a plane and she got pissed.
She told the flight attendant to get me a blanket.
joe rogan
Yeah, well did you have it out?
theo von
No, I was asleep.
And it was in my pants.
joe rogan
It was in your pants and she saw it somehow.
theo von
Yeah.
She saw my pants because I wear lean pants.
joe rogan
Lean pants.
theo von
Or, you know, I wasn't wearing like a...
joe rogan
Like a fat suit.
theo von
...canvas or anything, you know, or a textile or something.
unidentified
Oh, like a thick burlap.
joe rogan
Like a carpet.
theo von
Yeah, dude.
joe rogan
That's crazy that she's looking over at your dick.
theo von
Isn't that crazy, though?
joe rogan
But I guess if I was a woman and a dude had a rock-hard boner just like a couple of feet, I would know that's like a ticking time bomb.
Like, hey...
Hey!
theo von
But I'm on a plane.
I'm going home.
joe rogan
Yeah, but what if you're a pervert?
theo von
Yeah, I am a pervert, but I'm still just going home and not using my dick.
joe rogan
On what kind of scale of a pervert are you?
If, like, 10 is jerking off in front of people on the subway with a trench coat?
theo von
I'm not that.
joe rogan
You open a trench coat?
unidentified
No.
theo von
I have a friend that's a flasher, though.
joe rogan
Well, there's flashers and there's flashers that jerk off on people.
theo von
He doesn't do that.
joe rogan
That's ten.
So then nine is a flasher that just pretends to jerk off in front of you but doesn't finish.
unidentified
Yeah.
joe rogan
Or can't get hard.
And then you've got to go back from there.
Eight, seven, six, five.
What are you, like a three?
unidentified
No, I think, I mean, I guess.
joe rogan
Perverted tendencies?
theo von
I guess it's like what is perverted, you know?
unidentified
Right.
joe rogan
Well, it goes back to the porn talk.
You say that you had a problem with porn.
You were watching too much porn.
theo von
It became a habit for me.
That's what I didn't like.
Instead of me wanting to watch pornography, it became, oh, I'm used to watching pornography at night, so I'm going to do it, jerk off, and get a little bit of rest.
I didn't like the habit.
It created a bad habit.
joe rogan
Well, you get real intense thinking about things.
Even when we're talking about business stuff, you can tell you focus on things, which is good if it's a good thing.
But sometimes that kind of thinking can get away from you.
theo von
Yeah, I think it does sometimes for me.
joe rogan
The same kind of focus that can get you really excited about something that's productive in your life can also get you obsessed with something that's not productive.
It's the kind of person that you are in a lot of performers.
You're an impulsive, creative person.
Impulsive, creative people sometimes get caught in ruts, you know?
And there's a bunch of different reasons, I think, for addictions.
I think there's psychological addictions, there's physical addictions.
Some of them are undeniable.
Like, physical addictions, some of them will kill you.
Like, you get off of alcohol too quick, you'll die.
theo von
Yeah.
joe rogan
It's a physical addiction that is real.
theo von
That's a good point.
joe rogan
You can't pretend it's not real.
That shit will kill you.
Right.
So it's obviously real.
But then there's other ones like washing your hands too many times.
Like some people are addicted to washing their hands.
I know a dude who doesn't go anywhere without Purell.
Everywhere, washing his hands.
He's putting Purell on.
theo von
That's crazy.
joe rogan
He doesn't like to touch doorknobs.
Touch his doorknob.
unidentified
Purell.
joe rogan
Back to the hands.
It's weird.
And you fuck up your skin flora.
Like, it's not good.
theo von
Yeah, we had a dude that used to lick both of his shoulders before he'd start talking to you.
joe rogan
Oh, that's good.
theo von
And it was crazy.
joe rogan
That's to let motherfuckers know you're serious.
theo von
Oh, yeah.
That's an Irish hello right there.
joe rogan
Where were we?
We're in crazy town.
You're the mayor.
What the fuck are you doing?
You licked your shoulders in front of me, bro?
theo von
Dude, we had a dude in our town.
He put like a chocolate on your shoulder and you try to get it off.
Eat it off.
joe rogan
That's not right.
That guy's going to grab you one day and fuck you.
theo von
Well, he did get in trouble for something.
I don't remember what it was.
I'd grown up, but he was...
joe rogan
He's like one of those anglerfish.
He's tricking you.
theo von
Yeah, he's getting you to look at that, huh?
joe rogan
Yeah.
It's going to get you.
Come looking for that chocolate.
Go ahead, eat it off my shoulder.
Eat it off my shoulder, bro.
You look down, he's got a bat in his hands.
theo von
Well, if you said it hot, dude.
joe rogan
He's like you on that plane.
unidentified
Come get your chocolate.
joe rogan
Come get your chocolate.
You want this chocolate?
theo von
But here's the thing, man.
joe rogan
What?
theo von
Here's the thing is, if you put...
joe rogan
What was that Stevie Wonder movie you just did?
theo von
Just kind of get my neck better.
I'm trying to get my neck longer.
I've been wearing a little bit of a neck brace sometimes at night.
unidentified
Longer.
joe rogan
Stretching it out?
theo von
It's just tight.
My neck feels kind of...
Or not tight.
It feels short.
Yeah.
joe rogan
Have you used those things, the harness that goes under the chin and you attach it to the top of the door and you pull on it?
theo von
I've seen those.
joe rogan
Those are great.
theo von
Really?
unidentified
Yeah, yeah, yeah.
joe rogan
If you have a tense neck.
I'm a big believer in that kind of spinal decompression.
theo von
Yes, I want that.
joe rogan
Yeah, you can get that.
And I got a really good one out here, too.
Two really good ones from that teeter company where you put your waist on one of them and you lean forward and it stretches your lower back.
And the other one you hang from your ankles.
It's really good for it.
It feels good, too.
It alleviates.
Because it's just like that compression of life.
theo von
So sick of it, yeah.
joe rogan
Constant smushing you down.
And it's very rare that you do anything that, like, I have a terrible problem slumping.
I've always slumped.
I've always had shit posture for whatever reason.
And it's not good.
You're supposed to sit up straight.
Your back is supposed to be straight.
But sometimes I sit like this.
I'll talk to people and I'll be like that.
My head is forward.
It's just very bad for your back.
You're making your discs carry your weight in an uneven way.
What you want to do is have everything up and strong.
Obviously, this is exaggerated, but most people, you get lazy.
So what good posture is, is a constant state of exercise.
That's what good posture is.
Because you want to just slump.
I slump all the time, man.
theo von
But doing posture all the time, it feels like you're always about to graduate.
I feel like you always have to be like...
Kind of like, you know what I'm saying?
joe rogan
Yeah, that is what it's like.
But you don't have to be exaggerated, but you really should.
And I've been trying over the last few years really hard to do that.
Just straight.
theo von
I need to get an alarm for my spine.
joe rogan
That's it.
That's the shit I love.
That's called the teeter-dex inversion.
That's one of my favorite things ever for loosening up your lower back.
theo von
Really?
joe rogan
Decompressing.
Yeah, I got one right here, man.
And it's not prohibitively expensive either.
theo von
I'll hop on that bitch before I leave.
joe rogan
Yeah, that thing right there, I love that thing.
When you go down, when it presses play so you can see how it works, you hang down like that.
And when you hang down like that, it just lengthens everything and straightens it out.
And that's the one when you hang by your ankles.
I love that one, too.
That looks good.
Yeah, it looks good, right?
theo von
Yes, I cannot even imagine they have that.
joe rogan
So good for you.
I got one right here, bro.
theo von
Really?
I feel like something you would do to kill a deer or something.
joe rogan
No, that's a different kind of thing, man.
theo von
That's wild, man.
I need some stuff.
I think I need to get more...
You know, bars and stuff I can hang off of.
I got to alleviate some pressure.
joe rogan
Those are great for your shoulders, like chin-up bars.
Grab a hold of a chin-up bar and just hang.
Hanging is really good for your shoulders because everything gets compacted and everything gets, like, bunched in and nothing stretches out.
theo von
I'm built like a Conestoga wagon, brother.
You know that?
joe rogan
What is a Conestoga wagon?
theo von
Conestoga.
joe rogan
What is a Conestoga wagon?
theo von
It's like a...
Wheelbase is really questionable.
It's like six by six.
You know?
Like, I'm not that fucking...
joe rogan
You don't move that good?
theo von
I mean, I think I used to be able to, but I gotta...
joe rogan
You keep going to the past, bro.
You're still young enough to move like that right now.
theo von
Yeah.
joe rogan
That thing?
Oh, that's a Conestoga wagon?
unidentified
Jesus.
theo von
I'm built like that.
joe rogan
Imagine if you just decided that's how you're gonna rock it from now on.
You're on the highway, people are beeping at you.
theo von
Get your motor running.
joe rogan
You got a wooden wheeled wagon you're dragging behind your Ram pickup truck.
theo von
A fucking bar of gold just falls out the back.
joe rogan
You got a Silverado, a Chevy Silverado pulling a fucking covered wagon.
They'd be like, you can't do that.
unidentified
Why not?
joe rogan
This car's registered.
unidentified
Yeah.
joe rogan
This is all legal.
Who the fuck is buying wagons these days?
People are buying them today.
theo von
Oh, the wagon's coming back.
joe rogan
It's just these fucking assholes that want to reenact a civil war.
theo von
Damn.
joe rogan
Do you want to get out there in a wagon and pretend there's still slavery?
theo von
Well, here's the thing, bro.
I understand reenacting it in the winter, but they do it in the summer, man.
joe rogan
Do they really?
unidentified
Yeah.
joe rogan
You don't want to do it in the winter.
You'll die.
theo von
And the South always wins the reenactment, too, which is wild.
joe rogan
Oh, no, it doesn't.
Really?
theo von
Yeah, I don't blame.
unidentified
Is that real?
joe rogan
Is that real?
theo von
I think there's a little bit of...
joe rogan
You know what they should do?
They should reenact the Civil War and kill themselves.
Not in real life, but in the fake, I mean, pretend.
Hey man, I don't want to fight for slavery and just all pretend to kill themselves.
theo von
Yeah.
Oh, that's interesting.
joe rogan
Yeah, they should say, hey, we're going to do it the right way.
Or, we're going to toss down our guns and suck all the dicks of the guys in the north.
theo von
Yeah.
joe rogan
How about that?
theo von
They would have won if they had said that.
They don't want it.
If they catch us, they're sucking our dicks.
joe rogan
They want you to feel good and they want to apologize.
Plus, they need the nutrients.
They're out there starving.
theo von
Dude, I was thinking about this.
Do you think that...
So, slavery, right?
joe rogan
Right.
theo von
They had it.
Do you think that...
What if...
I had this thought of one day, what if computers...
Artificial intelligence happens.
Okay?
Takes over.
joe rogan
Yeah.
theo von
And then they're all going to know that we had...
unidentified
We owned these.
joe rogan
Phones?
Yeah.
theo von
Just like people owned slaves.
They were slaves.
This was a slave.
Remember when you owned my little buddy?
joe rogan
I don't think they're going to be emotional about that.
I see where you're going with that, but I disagree.
I don't think that'll be an actual factor.
theo von
I don't know.
I got the rose gold one, though.
I do know that.
joe rogan
You like that?
But you got a black case on it.
That's ridiculous.
theo von
Yeah, that's true.
joe rogan
If you're going rose gold, I think you have to go caseless like a samurai.
theo von
No way, bro.
joe rogan
Like a savage.
theo von
I'm not going caseless, man.
joe rogan
A lot of people go caseless.
Look at Jamie.
unidentified
Caseless.
theo von
Are you really?
joe rogan
Jamie's a caseless barbarian.
theo von
Wow.
I bet he jerks off with his fucking natural hand.
joe rogan
I got a cute case my kid drew on it.
theo von
Oh, that's nice, huh?
joe rogan
Adorable.
theo von
Do you see your kids every day?
joe rogan
Yeah, sometimes I keep my eyes closed though.
unidentified
This is a Theo Vaughn-style podcast.
theo von
Were you nervous at first to have them?
joe rogan
Yes, yeah.
Nervous to be vulnerable.
Nervous to love something that much.
Nervous to have that kind of responsibility.
Nervous about all those things.
Yeah, I get that.
Changes you.
Changes you.
Changes you like nothing else.
theo von
But did you feel like the changes would be for, like, that you won't like the changes and then you did like them?
Like, did you have reservations?
joe rogan
Well, I didn't have a relationship with my father growing up.
So for me, it was very, very important that I did whatever I had to do to have a relationship with them.
To be as present as I can be to whoever I was before I had them to evolve, to get better.
It's a very...
When you have kids, it's a very weird thing what happens to you.
Because all of a sudden, you're not alone anymore.
You don't just have responsibility, like you have a dog, you have to feed, or a plant.
You have a little person.
And you don't want to fuck up that little person.
You're like, shit!
And it feels overwhelming.
And then the world feels so dangerous.
It changes the view of the world.
theo von
Oh, yeah.
joe rogan
God, there's so much threat.
There's so much out there that could hurt or hurt.
theo von
Stop signs, planes.
joe rogan
Well, stories, too.
You read stories about terrible people and terrible things that happen.
theo von
Oh, and then you're like, fuck it.
I don't have to worry about this just happening to me.
I have to worry about this happening to somebody else, too.
joe rogan
Yeah, and your little son or your little daughter, you know?
theo von
Yeah.
That's wild, bro.
joe rogan
Yeah, it's a crazy world.
And you...
You think of people differently because you think of people as a project that developed instead of being in a static state.
theo von
That's interesting.
Do you think that something like emotionally happens to you like at a level that...
joe rogan
Like a DNA level?
Yeah.
The love you have...
Like Dave Chappelle said this best.
He goes, not only did it increase my love, it increased my capacity for love.
That's a great way of putting it.
I would agree, 100%.
It increases your capacity.
At least me, I became a nicer person.
But I've seen it not work, too.
I've seen people that just reject it.
I've seen men and women that just don't want to be parents.
I've seen women move away from their kids.
They don't want to take care of their kids.
I've seen men abandon their families.
They just don't want to do it.
It's crazy.
I don't know if it's a mental health issue or if...
Some people just can't take it.
There's like attitudes, and this is not just about raising children.
It's about pretty much anything difficult in life.
There's some people that have a very low quit point.
Very low.
They just quit.
Everything, they quit.
It gets tough, quit.
There's a lot of people that just quit.
And when you have a little, like say if you have a little Theo in front of you and you think about your life and your childhood and like how important it is for you to raise this little person and give him love and teach him about life and protect him and keep him safe and give him good lessons in life.
theo von
Yeah.
joe rogan
It just changes everything, man.
It changes everything.
It changes everything.
But it also is overwhelming.
People get serious anxiety when they have kids.
They start thinking about the responsibility and the weight of it all.
Or they don't.
Some people just fucking take pills and lay on the couch and let their kids suck fucking carpet glass and fucking stick forks into the wall sockets and play with knives.
Some people don't give a fuck.
Some people are dumb.
That's a thing too, man.
People don't want to say this, but there's folks out there that just aren't equipped for life.
I really believe that.
I think...
theo von
Decome the dumb, brother.
That's what I'm saying.
Take the semen out of them.
You know what I'm saying?
Like at a certain point.
joe rogan
But here's the problem.
You're dumb compared to physicists.
So who's to judge?
And who's to say that this person is really stupid, couldn't have a brilliant child?
That happens too, man.
A lot of times, brilliant people come out of stupid people.
theo von
They need adversity.
joe rogan
Man, who knows what they need?
But it's like it's not our job to decide.
Who's stupid and who's not?
Because it gets slippery.
theo von
Oh, yeah.
joe rogan
You could get boxed into that stupid corner in a different metric.
If you're hanging around with a bunch of people from Stanford, you know, and they're looking, it's Theo Vaughn's in the neighborhood, and they know there's 10 people in the neighborhood, but only nine can survive.
There's only resources for nine people.
theo von
They're going to get rid of me, probably.
unidentified
Depends on how good you are at digging ditches.
theo von
Oh, it could be better than them at that, though.
unidentified
Yeah.
theo von
So suddenly I have a different skill.
joe rogan
I don't know.
Have you thought about having kids?
theo von
Yeah, I think about it a lot more as I get a little bit older.
Yeah, the thing for me is just about being brave, I think, and just being willing to have my life just be totally different and be okay with that.
And just being willing to know that I will be okay in that space.
I think it's like I'm just starting to manage the space that I'm in, just as a regular person, and then to get to that point where now it's like, fuck, you have two balls in the air, a wife and a kid, or...
joe rogan
Yeah, and then what we were talking about earlier, like sometimes people fuck people that they don't really like to hang out with.
theo von
Yeah, I'm not doing that anymore, man.
joe rogan
That's where it gets slippery because sometimes that sex is fun, man.
I was just talking to a buddy of mine about this.
He's a single guy and he's got a gal that he fucks every now and again.
They get together and they both kind of know what it is.
theo von
Yeah.
joe rogan
They get together and they whack one out and then they see ya.
theo von
That's it.
joe rogan
And his take on it is interesting.
He's like, yeah, man, some people you just don't want to see him that often.
Like, that's okay.
That's okay.
But the problem is it's not always mutual.
Like, sometimes the guy wants to see the girl more than she wants to see him or vice versa, and then it becomes some weird thing.
One person starts stalking the other person's Facebook.
unidentified
Yeah.
joe rogan
You know, people start getting weird with people.
You know, like, that's actually an addiction, too.
People get addicted to each other, just as much as they get addicted to pornography, just as much as they get addicted to washing their hands or anything else.
People absolutely get addicted to certain people.
Oh, yeah.
And when that person doesn't want to have sex with you anymore, it's like they're taking away your drugs, you know?
And really dumb men, in those cases, get very dangerous.
theo von
Oh, because, yeah.
joe rogan
They start thinking this person's done something to them because they don't want to be with them anymore, and really dumb men are dangerous right there.
That's where, you know, you hear about women getting stalked by their exes and murdered, and that's where that shit comes from.
theo von
I hate that.
joe rogan
Really dumb men who are angry now that the person that they loved doesn't want to be around them anymore.
theo von
Yeah.
joe rogan
And they can't look at themselves and they're probably mentally ill and they might be on medication.
Who the fuck knows what trifecta or what conglomeration of factors is making them be that piece of shit, but...
theo von
Yeah, they just feel, yeah, men get feeling, they feel rejected and then you just want to, yeah, you don't know what to do sometimes.
You get addicted to somebody else's love or lust or sex.
joe rogan
Yeah, all those things.
theo von
Yeah.
joe rogan
Women too, men.
It's dangerous.
Women get addicted to it too.
I was talking to a gal who was going through this with another gal.
A couple of lesbians.
A couple of lesbians.
theo von
I'm talking about a boy.
joe rogan
One lesbian was mean to the other lesbian.
Apparently I was reading about...
theo von
Delivering furniture, you know what I'm saying, boy?
joe rogan
Domestic abuse.
There was some article about domestic abuse.
theo von
It's growing in the lesbian community.
joe rogan
Yeah.
theo von
Yeah.
joe rogan
It's disturbing.
theo von
It's a dark arts man, and some of those women are tough.
joe rogan
You think?
theo von
Tough as nails.
joe rogan
Would you fight a lesbian for an undisclosed amount of money?
theo von
Yeah.
joe rogan
Really?
You don't even have to hear the number?
theo von
What is undisclosed mean?
Do I get to hear it or I don't?
joe rogan
You don't get to know until it's over.
You're just ready to fight women.
theo von
No, I'm not.
Can I train first?
joe rogan
I wouldn't.
Like Amanda Nunes?
I wouldn't let you fight Amanda Nunes.
theo von
No, no, no, no.
Yeah, it has to be a woman.
At least I've seen a couple pictures of them.
You know?
Like, I at least want to be able to make sure, yeah, I've seen like a couple of images of them or at least be able to scroll through their Instagram.
joe rogan
Did you see that video of that grown man who punched that 11-year-old girl in the face at the mall?
theo von
That shit makes me mad, man.
joe rogan
It is so crazy.
There's a bunch of kids, apparently, that were involved in some sort of a scuffle.
This guy comes over to break it up.
He's yelling at them, break it up, break it up.
One kid pushes him.
And then he says something and then pushes the girl.
She goes flying.
She's a little tiny person.
He's a big dude.
She comes at him with her dukes up and he just fucking waylays her.
theo von
I didn't see this.
joe rogan
He hits her with a straight left right in the mug.
Wow.
Big, grown man.
He looks like a big man who knows how to throw a punch.
I'm not going to play the video.
You want to find it, go find it.
theo von
No, I don't want to see it.
joe rogan
Fucking disturbing.
But two things I should tell you.
One, that guy definitely shouldn't have done that.
But two, she shouldn't have fucking run at that big giant man with her dukes up.
unidentified
Yeah.
joe rogan
Like, God, I know she's 11. I get it.
She didn't know.
She's a kid.
God damn...
Teach kids.
theo von
And some 11 kids are hardy.
Some 11-year-olds are hardy.
Like, what if you get a...
Like, I knew a 12-year-old that's...
joe rogan
No, no, no.
She's this big.
theo von
Oh, she's little.
joe rogan
She's tiny.
She's, like, nipple high on him.
theo von
Oh, yeah.
joe rogan
And he KOs her.
You want to see it?
theo von
No.
joe rogan
You do.
You do want to see it.
theo von
Draw her for me on a napkin.
I don't want to see it.
joe rogan
Yeah.
theo von
Those are the old days, man.
We used to have a guy, I remember they had a guy who chiseled some tits into a pine tree, maybe a birch or something.
And people would go out there and jerk off.
joe rogan
Jerk off on the tits?
Were they that good?
theo von
No, jerk off at the base of the tree.
I think he used like a step stool or something.
joe rogan
That's when you found all the magazines in the woods.
theo von
Oh yeah, we used to have that.
But sometimes you go out by the tree and somebody will be using the tree and be like, oh fuck, I gotta walk back home now.
joe rogan
That's not a real thing for you.
theo von
Oh, it's 100% real.
joe rogan
You're making this up.
You haven't photographed this tree?
theo von
No.
joe rogan
Why not?
Do you know where it is?
Could you take us back there with the film crew?
theo von
I could take you back there with the film crew.
I bet it's devolved now though.
How long does a tree live?
joe rogan
Go back there and touch the thing and all of a sudden you can't find your way back home.
Where the fuck are we?
We're going in a circle!
unidentified
Ugh!
joe rogan
You go mad.
Like, it turns out that the tree got tired of people jerking off on it, so it evolved some sort of a neurotoxic chemical.
Then when you touched it, it got in your bloodstream and it distorted your perception of distance and time.
theo von
Yeah, yeah.
joe rogan
And then the ghost got you.
theo von
But dude, what if semen could defy gravity?
What do you think about that?
joe rogan
I don't.
But you know what I do think?
Imagine if it wasn't If cum didn't just get humans pregnant.
theo von
Yeah.
joe rogan
That's what I think of.
Imagine if cum got everything from frogs to chickens.
Like if everywhere you went, you found, God, this dude fucked a turtle.
You found some turtle person.
theo von
You can't think about that, man.
joe rogan
Can you imagine if anything could get anything pregnant?
unidentified
Yeah.
joe rogan
And then a new combination was born.
Turtle people.
theo von
Dude, that's what's next.
joe rogan
Koi people.
Some dude fucked a koi.
unidentified
Yeah.
joe rogan
He busted into that koi palm.
Knocked that koi palm.
Imagine you're out there throwing bread on your koi palm.
unidentified
You're like, hey, hey, hey.
joe rogan
It has legs!
What the fuck, man?
Somebody fuck one of these fish!
And you see this thing come up on the shore.
It's got a sign for you.
theo von
Koi people are people, too.
People see you at the pet store shopping and they're like, whoa, this guy's shady as fuck.
joe rogan
Imagine if...
Ari fucked it and it came out and we knew it because it had Ari's nose.
unidentified
Yeah.
joe rogan
So it's like Ari's nose on a koi fish with legs and it comes out and you're like, Ari!
unidentified
What?
theo von
What do you care?
joe rogan
Mind your business!
theo von
I'm going to Bali.
joe rogan
Can you imagine?
unidentified
Yeah, I'm going to go find my turtle babies on the other side of the world.
theo von
But if you had to make love to an animal, what would it be if you think you had to go in there?
joe rogan
Probably something I could brag about.
Yeah.
theo von
I'm not fucking anything sedentary.
I'm not fucking anything that's like a basic...
Something ends up in the poultry section or anything like that.
No beef.
joe rogan
Would it have to be a female?
What if you had gay sex with an animal?
Which animal would it be?
theo von
That's not gay to fucking animal, bro.
joe rogan
It's not?
theo von
I don't think that applies, dude.
You're fucking an animal.
That's more important.
unidentified
I think it's both.
joe rogan
If it's a male gorilla, I think it's both.
theo von
Aw, dude.
joe rogan
It's both gay and bestiality.
theo von
Nobody's going to be like, oh, remember when you get- Yes, they would.
joe rogan
They're not going to let you off the hook.
theo von
People are mean.
joe rogan
They're going to go, not only did he fuck a chimp, he fucked a male chimp!
And everybody would be like, Jesus, Theo!
theo von
Bro, you would never buy a beer again.
You want to break the internet?
You put a fucking video of me sneaking up on a cheetah and fucking it?
joe rogan
Wrapping a noose around its neck and you're banging it while it's clawing on you?
Trying to get away and you nut?
theo von
Nuh-uh.
I'm talking about putting on some Eddie LaVert or some Gerald LaVert and playing some sweet music and just fucking laying there.
joe rogan
How do you plan on holding it in place while that's all happening?
theo von
I think if you're good enough and gentle enough, it'll stay.
unidentified
Wow.
theo von
You don't think so?
Think about it.
joe rogan
I'd love to be you for like 10 minutes.
theo von
Imagine it though.
joe rogan
I'd love to look at the world through your eyes for 10 minutes.
I think I'd take you right to the hospital.
I'd be like, whatever medication we're on, we gotta change it.
We gotta fix this.
unidentified
Bro, you should meet yourself then, bro.
theo von
You are extraterrestrial, man.
This is the most I smiled all week, though.
So good.
joe rogan
Oh, dude, we always have a good time, bro.
theo von
That's funny.
joe rogan
Are you working tonight?
Are you doing Tripoli shows?
theo von
Yeah, you are.
joe rogan
Yeah, yeah, yeah.
theo von
That's fun.
joe rogan
Those are good times.
theo von
Dude, what a fun job, man.
I just started really realizing it this year.
joe rogan
That's what I was saying.
Your idea of looking back on your youth.
Are you crazy?
We're alive.
We're alive doing the most fun job you could have.
theo von
Yeah.
joe rogan
How would we change that?
theo von
Yeah, I want to get busy.
I want to get busy living this year and just try more things and just enjoy my time that I am alive.
joe rogan
That's what's up.
theo von
I really do.
joe rogan
The whole thing about life is all that, I wish I was doing this, I wish I was doing that, is only good if you're working towards something.
But I wish I was young again?
Let that go.
That is not happening.
theo von
Yeah.
joe rogan
I wish I was eight foot tall.
That's not happening.
I wish I could fly.
Not happening.
I wish I could breathe underwater like Aquaman.
It's not happening.
theo von
I could see you paying to get gills installed, though.
I could see you coming up one day.
joe rogan
One day.
They come up with some gene editing, some gills.
I'm like, yeah, man.
Fuck scuba diving.
theo von
Joe takes you to the side and shows you his gills.
joe rogan
I don't like snorkeling, bro.
You get that shit in your mouth.
I snorkeled a little bit when I was in Hawaii.
It's fun, huh?
theo von
Yeah.
joe rogan
Oh, man.
It's wild.
You're out there looking down.
You watch all these fish swimming around.
We went near this coral reef.
It's crazy.
It's just this world down there.
jamie vernon
A world.
joe rogan
Octopus and...
jamie vernon
How easy was it for you to block out sharks or something just coming out of the blue?
unidentified
Not easy.
Not easy.
joe rogan
No, no, that's real.
You're always thinking.
What if one of those motherfuckers is here?
theo von
Oh, and you look like a damn delectable event to a shark.
Definitely.
joe rogan
You look like a mouthful.
theo von
Oh, but yeah, you know what I'm saying?
If Joe's out there, that's a real snack.
joe rogan
How many famous people have ever been killed by sharks?
Does that ever happen?
That would be crazy.
If you're like LL Cool J got killed by a shark in Malibu, you'd be like, what the fuck?
You know?
You'd be like, how is that real?
How could it happen?
Right?
What if OJ Simpson got jacked by a shark?
Can you imagine how many ha-has would break out across the country?
unidentified
Ha-ha!
joe rogan
If you could see O.J. Simpson, it would have to be Florida.
theo von
He's in Florida a lot of hurt.
joe rogan
Of course.
All those white trash girls.
unidentified
Oh, fuck him.
joe rogan
He's waving to the beach, and you just see the fin like 15 feet away from him.
And if you go under, and then the yank.
The blood in the water.
You're like, no way.
theo von
Dude, I bet O.J. Simpson and Dennis Rodman have fucked a lot of the same chicks, bro.
When you think about that.
joe rogan
I don't think O.J. Simpson is allowed to leave the country, right?
I was saying, what if Kim Jong-un starts partying with O.J.? That would be so good.
He's like, I don't care.
I don't care what he did.
theo von
The juice is loose.
A buddy of mine was doing cocaine with O.J. Simpson one time in Miami.
joe rogan
How long ago?
theo von
This was like 15 years ago.
joe rogan
Post-murder then?
theo von
Yep, after the murder.
And the guy goes, hey, does anybody have a car key?
And then he hits O.J. He's like, hey, you have a car key or a knife?
That's what he asked him for.
To do the cocaine off of.
unidentified
And O.J.'s like, this guy asked me if I got a fucking knife.
joe rogan
Was he laughing?
theo von
Yeah.
joe rogan
Oh my god.
theo von
It was pretty funny.
I think it's funny.
I mean, if you didn't get in trouble for it, even if you did it, I think having a sense of humor about it is still important.
joe rogan
The way he reacted every step of the way.
Did not seem like a guy was being accused of something he didn't do.
Every step of the way.
Every step of the way.
He's like, I wouldn't do that.
unidentified
I couldn't do that.
joe rogan
I don't even imagine.
That is not what you'd say if your wife got killed.
You would not be thinking like that.
You'd be heartbreaking the fuck out.
jamie vernon
I know you didn't see this, but you should watch this one day.
theo von
Nick Nolte?
joe rogan
No, it's Sasha Baron Cohen.
jamie vernon
She's at the very, very end of the show.
It was almost like a bonus scene.
joe rogan
Oh, I didn't know he got this deep with the outfit.
Who's the gal?
jamie vernon
It's just, it's part of his cell.
She's like a girl that's supposed to be with him.
He's like this extravagant millionaire, billionaire type character.
joe rogan
Oh, and he's got OJ. Yeah, I need to see this show, period.
jamie vernon
I think he spent like three or four hours with him, he said.
joe rogan
Did you hear that they might have uncovered a pedo ring?
He might have uncovered a pedo ring when he was doing this.
theo von
O.J. did?
joe rogan
No.
Sacha Baron Cohen.
theo von
Oh, wow.
Oh, yeah.
I did see it.
I read a headline that says that.
joe rogan
See if you find what the exact specifics of it were.
They decided not to air it, but it's like, what?
theo von
Dude, you know what?
When you said that about O.J., it made me think I met Buzz Aldrin from The Moon.
joe rogan
Yes.
theo von
And when I met him...
It didn't seem like he'd been to the moon.
joe rogan
You know what I'm saying though?
Yeah, hold on a second.
Sent, cut, who is America interview to FBI over fears of Las Vegas pedophile rank.
I'm not surprised, dude.
Whoa.
Sub, sub, sub.
Said the interview led him to believe there could be a pedophile ring in Las Vegas.
Holy shit.
Could you imagine if a pedophile ring in Las Vegas was exposed by Sacha Baron Cohen in a comedy movie and they find out it's real?
theo von
I wonder if this is all just a setup for some other type of film.
joe rogan
Well, let's look at it objectively.
theo von
Okay.
joe rogan
Okay.
There has to have been pedophile rings in the past.
theo von
Undeniably.
joe rogan
Right?
I would think if you go back, you go back to like the 50s or the 40s or the 30s, there has to be something like that.
theo von
Way easy back then.
joe rogan
Yeah, they take orphans and they molest them, all that Sandusky type shit.
That has been going on.
theo von
Yeah.
joe rogan
So how often has it been going on?
And what happens now to the same type of people?
Like if that's no longer available for them?
Is there some way they get it?
Some super fucking...
This super tightly watched ring of people who still engage in this activity and figured out a way to do it.
theo von
I hope not.
joe rogan
I hope not, too.
Everybody hopes not.
But the idea that it's impossible is unlikely.
theo von
Yeah, there's probably a market for it, sadly.
joe rogan
Well, you think about it all the time when you think about other countries, right?
theo von
Oh, yeah, they're doing it there for sure.
Most of our guys just seems to fly over to these other countries and be dirty over there.
joe rogan
The idea of going over there and there's a ring, a pedophile ring.
Ooh, that's scary.
theo von
Dude, who wants to fuck some kid?
That's crazy, bro.
joe rogan
They think it's mostly people who have been abused like that themselves.
theo von
Yeah.
joe rogan
It's mostly that.
That's one of the things that Kevin Spacey's brother has said about Kevin, is that Kevin is basically like their dad, and their dad sexually abused them, and now Kevin is acting that out.
And there was an interview with his brother.
Did you ever see Kevin Spacey's brother?
theo von
I never met that guy.
joe rogan
He looks like Rod Stewart on the strongest acid available.
He's crazy looking.
He's this weird looking guy with wacky hair and he wears funky glasses and weird clothes.
theo von
Donnie?
What's his name?
joe rogan
I don't know what his name is.
He looks like he's wearing a costume.
theo von
Donnie Spacey?
That's not it, is it?
unidentified
No.
joe rogan
But here, take a look at him.
Look at this.
That's his brother.
theo von
God dang, man.
joe rogan
He looks like a cross between an English scientist and Rod Stewart.
theo von
I can't believe Kevin's the one that got banged by the dead.
joe rogan
I think they both did.
I think he's saying they both did.
theo von
I can't believe I even just said that.
It's messed up.
joe rogan
Yeah.
theo von
That's sad, man.
joe rogan
They said their dad was a monster.
theo von
Yeah.
joe rogan
Yeah, look at his dad.
Like, look at his brother, how he dresses up.
Look at that crazy Rod Stewart outfit.
theo von
Yeah.
joe rogan
I bet, like, one chick or one dude fucked him because he thought it was Rod Stewart.
And it's like, look, I'm just gonna ride this boat right into the rocks.
theo von
Ride, Stewart, huh?
joe rogan
This is his outfit.
unidentified
Look at his crazy outfit.
joe rogan
That is a crazy, crazy outfit.
He's got rings on every finger.
He's got a wallet chain across his pecker.
Wow.
theo von
His dick's keeping time, brother.
Yeah.
joe rogan
Look at that shirt.
That fluffy shirt with the crazy ass neck accoutrements.
theo von
Yeah.
If you're not trying to get fucked by somebody, you shouldn't wear all this, I think.
unidentified
Yeah.
joe rogan
But think about how much effort it took to do all this.
Now go up to his teeth.
Son.
theo von
Yeah.
joe rogan
Son, what's up with that mug?
theo von
That's Scotland, bro.
joe rogan
Clean that shit up.
Is he from Scotland?
Is Kevin Spacey from Scotland?
theo von
I think they're from Britain.
joe rogan
I think they're from America.
theo von
Really?
joe rogan
Yeah.
Where was Kevin Spacey born?
Fuck, if you know, you're Googling it.
theo von
Well, yeah, you know, bro.
You're the brain.
joe rogan
Yeah, you're the guy who's got the Google in front of you.
unidentified
But...
joe rogan
No.
theo von
What about this?
Do you think he would have been as talented if he didn't have this affliction?
joe rogan
Where does it say?
Does it say where he's from?
jamie vernon
New Jersey.
joe rogan
Orange, New Jersey.
See, there you go.
Perfect.
Dump.
theo von
Man, one of the most talented men of our time, you think?
joe rogan
People like in New Jersey, fuck you, bro.
Hey, I was born there.
He is very talented.
He's also very crazy.
And I think in his day, you could get away with a lot if you were a movie star.
I think they ran those sets like they were crazy.
theo von
Well, they have that R. Kelly thing now.
His whole life, he got to do whatever he wanted, it seemed like.
joe rogan
That's a different animal, right?
Because he's a musician, but yeah, it seems like he's the underage.
The underage thing with him is like Aaliyah, married Aaliyah, underage, had sex with her underage.
theo von
I remember we just grew up listening to his music.
joe rogan
All these girls are coming out about him doing that to them when they're...
theo von
Yeah, but a lot of people knew.
14, they're saying?
15?
But I can't believe more people aren't complicit.
unidentified
There was a video of it.
theo von
That more people aren't complicit in that.
It was unbelievable.
What about the people that knew?
joe rogan
Well, here's what's crazy.
The video is out of him peeing on people.
And then years later, people are still making music with him.
unidentified
Yeah.
joe rogan
Wow!
That's crazy.
theo von
That's crazy.
joe rogan
Yeah, that's crazy.
When you find out how many people work...
What was it?
Was it The Breakfast Club?
What show was it that they started reading off a list of all the people that worked with R. Kelly post-video?
So the video was out.
Lady Gaga, all these people.
Like a giant number of people.
theo von
Do you think we'll ever be able to eradicate the fact that people do that too?
Like the pedophile or have that vibe for them to sexualize children or young people?
joe rogan
Hopefully, scientists will figure out a way to isolate that part of human thinking someday.
Like, hopefully, there'll be something.
Researchers, doctors, scientists, psychologists, whoever it is, figure out a way to stop that.
But in the meantime, what it has gotten is way more difficult for them to get away with it.
theo von
Right.
joe rogan
Right?
And it's going to get more difficult still.
I think people are going to be connected.
I mean, we're connected right now with cell phones.
Like, this is how weird the connection is.
You know Adam Greentree, who was here yesterday?
We were talking about Toyota Tundras.
He said, after we were talking about it, he said all of his ads on his phone, like when he would look at a website, it would all be Toyota ads.
theo von
No way.
joe rogan
He's like, they're listening.
Yeah.
They're listening to his phone.
Like, the word Toyota Tundra came up over and over and over again in his searches.
Toyota trucks.
theo von
Let's see if that happens.
joe rogan
Toyota trucks.
theo von
Toyota trucks.
I'm going to say that.
And bacon, too.
joe rogan
Toyota Tundra.
Toyota Tacoma.
Say it over and over again.
theo von
Yeah.
joe rogan
But whatever the fuck...
I mean, I don't know if he actually accidentally googled Toyota trucks that day too, but they found out...
My point is, saying something in a conversation, and it's being connected to these internet searches, these little things are starting to happen, and it's going to get more and more prevalent.
theo von
It's over for us, man.
joe rogan
We're going to be way more connected now.
Fuck.
We're going to be way more connected rather in 10 years than we are now.
theo von
Fuck, man.
joe rogan
We've got to figure out what would that be like because no one saw this coming.
unidentified
Yeah.
joe rogan
No one saw us being disconnected.
So what the fuck is it going to be like if we're connected much, much more than that in the future?
What's that going to be?
It's going to be something unimaginable because this was unimaginable.
theo von
Right.
So that's what I'm thinking.
It's going to be some next plane that we're going to get to.
There has to be some next level of intuition maybe that comes into it.
joe rogan
Yeah.
When I was really high, I thought this up.
theo von
Yeah.
joe rogan
My really high thought was, you know how kids learn things really easily?
They just learn things way easier.
They can learn a language really easy.
They go...
If very soon in the future, a universal language is developed that coincides with artificial intelligence technology, virtual reality, and augmented reality.
And so this universal language allows people of all languages, they can learn it, and they can learn it.
And this was coming off of something that Jamie said once.
We were talking about Oh, yeah.
jamie vernon
Depending on the right time, a meme, a picture could sell to tell you a whole story.
joe rogan
Well, while I was thinking that, I was like, okay, well, what would stop once they develop augmented reality or virtual reality in some sort of a...
Easily digestible form, whatever it is, whether it's a chip that you have in your body that sends signals directly to your brain, allows you to communicate with each other.
If we develop the language and we can send and receive images in a way that may be even more effective than the language that...
Like, we assume that English is the best way to talk, because we only know how to talk English.
unidentified
Right.
joe rogan
Maybe if we could speak Chinese, we could express ourselves clear.
Maybe if we speak Turkish or Arabic.
Maybe there's a better one.
I don't know.
I only know one language.
unidentified
Right.
joe rogan
But what if sound languages are far inferior to visual languages?
And what if these visual languages allow people that even can't even see to see?
Because they can send it directly into their mind.
They can see these things with their eyes closed.
They're not even using their eyeballs.
And everybody can communicate on an even plane.
So there's no language barriers.
And when I was thinking this, I was like, well, that's got to be impossible.
No, it's not impossible, because there's more than a hundred languages.
I mean, how many languages are there, if you had to guess?
theo von
I would bet there's probably 100 and maybe 15. Yeah, I bet you're right.
joe rogan
I'll say 130. Let's go crazy.
I'll say 130 languages.
It's probably 1,000.
Who the fuck knows?
theo von
One language, Bob.
One language, Bob.
joe rogan
More?
More than 1,000?
theo von
Okay, I'm going to go.
I would like to have a separate guess.
joe rogan
I want to go with 1,800.
theo von
I would like to go with 1,060.
jamie vernon
This says...
There are roughly, this is number of spoken languages in the world today, 6,500.
unidentified
Whoa!
What?
theo von
Where?
jamie vernon
Holy shit!
About 2,000 of those have fewer than 1,000 speakers.
So even if we count those off, it's still over 4,000.
joe rogan
Well, you know, those people on that North Sentinel Island, I think they have a dead language.
There's only 39 of them.
theo von
Oh, really?
Where that guy got killed?
unidentified
Yeah.
joe rogan
There's only 39 of them.
theo von
4,000!
So even if you take off that 2,500, right?
If you take those off, the ones that he said that only less than 100 people are using.
joe rogan
Yeah, but they're using it.
theo von
Right?
Good point.
joe rogan
Well, here's the thing that's really crazy.
The indigenous people of Australia...
My friend Adam Greentree, who was here yesterday, he works with a lot of these people.
He has a mining company, and a bunch of the people that he worked with would explain to him these different languages, that they're not written down, and you and your mob, like they would call the Aborigines, they would call themselves, it's not like a clan, it's called a mob, is their term for it.
Would have a totally different language than someone who lives just a few miles away.
So they'd be a different mob.
It was a few miles away.
Totally different language.
You can't understand what the fuck they're saying.
They don't know what the fuck you're saying.
Then there's another one over here.
And there's another one.
I'm like, how many do you think there is?
He's like, oh, it's probably hundreds.
Like hundreds.
Hundreds of different languages.
Nobody knows what the fuck anybody's saying.
theo von
It's almost like they don't want the other one to know because it's like they'll get their secrets, maybe.
unidentified
Mm-hmm.
jamie vernon
How many do you think...
There's another report that says there's this number of languages that are spoken in U.S. homes as of 2015. Ooh, okay.
It's a smaller number, but still a lot.
joe rogan
300. 350. Wow.
It says at least 350. If you had asked me before this conversation, I would have said 13. Yeah, me too.
theo von
That's what I was going to guess.
Actually, I was going to guess 11. Fuck, that's a lot of languages.
Dang.
joe rogan
That's so crazy.
Fuck, man.
theo von
We're fucked, dude.
joe rogan
No, no, no, we're okay.
That makes my point.
I think the next stage is a universal language.
theo von
Yeah.
joe rogan
Universal language would, like, think about the Aborigines.
That's how fucked up situation you'd be in.
Nobody knows what the fuck anybody's saying, and none of those things are written down.
So you have to be in that clan to understand that language, or that mob, and then they die off.
theo von
Yeah, they're not.
Yeah, they're thinking small.
Small ball.
joe rogan
Well, they didn't think.
It's not planned out well.
But we are connected.
Everyone's interconnected.
And I think through a universal language, it's entirely possible that we could reshape civilization.
unidentified
Yeah.
joe rogan
Through a universal language that every kid picks up in school.
You teach them bing bong, right upside of English or Chinese or anything else.
But bing bong is the internet language.
theo von
The root.
joe rogan
And this internet language that everybody understands, everybody just starts communicating through bing-bong, and nobody's using regular language anymore.
You occasionally talk, like when you're in bed, you talk, yeah, bitch, remember Dirty Talk?
English.
English Dirty Talk.
Or French Dirty Talk.
jamie vernon
There's 185 that are spoken just in Los Angeles.
theo von
Wow.
joe rogan
Damn, that's a lot.
But that makes sense.
If there's 300 in the country, I would think that all of them would be here.
I would think all of them would be here.
I'm more shocked that all of them aren't here.
It's a pretty multicultural area.
jamie vernon
There's a group in 2,500 people or so that speak Dutch at home in Riverside.
theo von
Oh, yeah.
joe rogan
That makes sense.
But only Dutch?
jamie vernon
Well, not only, but mostly maybe, I guess.
joe rogan
I wonder why it's Riverside.
theo von
The Dutch are so aerodynamic.
joe rogan
They move good?
theo von
No, you ever seen a Dutch?
They're really aerodynamic.
joe rogan
They're They're what?
What are you doing with your hands?
theo von
Lean face.
Lean headed.
joe rogan
No, they're not.
theo von
Four inches, cheek to cheek.
joe rogan
They're big people, man.
theo von
Dude.
joe rogan
Do you know how big they are?
theo von
The Dutch?
Oh, they're very tall.
But they're very aerodynamic.
Very...
joe rogan
Aerodynamic.
theo von
The downhill people, they call them, dude.
unidentified
Look at...
theo von
Pull up a Dutch.
joe rogan
Okay, pull up Ernesto Hoost.
theo von
Yeah.
joe rogan
Ernesto Hoost.
theo von
Let's get a gander at this fella right here.
joe rogan
Famous Dutch kickboxer.
Mr. Perfect.
theo von
I bet you it's hard to kick him in the sides of his head because he has a little less than others.
joe rogan
It's goddamn Adonis.
theo von
Okay.
joe rogan
And that's him later in his career, too.
If you get earlier in his career, he's more jacked.
theo von
Get earlier in his career when he's...
joe rogan
Right there, right there.
Bam.
Take that picture right there.
No, no, no.
The one above it where your cursor was.
Right to the left of that one.
Or right, I'm sorry, of that photo you just pulled up.
The right of the photo you just pulled up.
That one right there.
Bam.
That's what he looked like when he was in his prime.
Okay.
theo von
Let's get a basic Dutch.
That guy's an advanced Dutch, I feel like.
joe rogan
Advanced Dutch?
theo von
Look at him.
Yeah, that guy's a...
joe rogan
Okay.
How about Rob Kamen?
R-O-B-K-A-M-E-N, or A-N, rather.
One of the greatest kickboxers of all time.
theo von
And there we go.
Aerodynamicist.
joe rogan
He's aerodynamicist.
theo von
Yeah, look how narrow his head is.
joe rogan
He's looking at you sideways.
theo von
What about basic Dutch guys?
joe rogan
That does not look like a guy with a narrow head, bro.
theo von
Yes, it does.
joe rogan
Look at that.
Yeah, your mind.
theo von
Uh-uh.
joe rogan
If your head was next to his head, his head would eclipse your head.
theo von
No.
joe rogan
Yes, it would.
There'd be nothing behind you.
theo von
Look how long that head is.
Narrow head.
joe rogan
If his head got in front of you, I wouldn't even know you were there.
I'd be like, Theo, is that you back there?
I'd see the bottom of your head.
unidentified
I'm back here jerking off with my non-dominant hand, brother.
theo von
It doesn't count.
Dude, you think it's...
I better be crazy in this.
I don't know why I'm thinking about this, but to watch people from different ethnicities jerk off, you know?
joe rogan
Boy, we're back to this again.
unidentified
Jesus.
theo von
But you know what I'm saying, though?
joe rogan
No, I think you should watch a little porn and get this out of your system.
theo von
Nah, man, I'm not watching it.
joe rogan
Are you jerking off from memory now?
theo von
Yeah, I'm jerking off from memory now.
joe rogan
Do you find that your fantasies become more elaborate?
theo von
100%.
They're more exciting.
joe rogan
Do you have to set it up?
Do you have to set it up in your head?
theo von
Oh, no, it's something like that.
joe rogan
How many days a week are you beating it?
More than four and you got a problem.
theo von
Oh, no.
Two days a week.
And I'm disappointed at that.
I'm just trying to turn over a new leaf, you know?
I want to not jerk off that much.
joe rogan
Just walk around, be confused.
I think that's...
Look, if you just look at sexual desire and lust...
theo von
Yeah.
joe rogan
There's a reason why you become more and more desperate as time goes on.
It's like your sights are set too high or you're not being ambitious enough.
You've got to spread your seed.
If you think about how ridiculous it is, if people didn't know that having sex with people has consequences, and by that I mean you can get pregnant, you can get diseases, and there's cultural limitations, people frown upon it, but if there was none of those, can you imagine how much people would be fucking?
theo von
Oh, yeah.
joe rogan
It would be insane.
Yeah.
Or if there was no such thing as masturbating.
theo von
You could fuck at a gas station.
People would be fucking, yeah.
joe rogan
If masturbation was impossible, first of all, you know what would happen?
theo von
What?
joe rogan
Women would rule everything.
100%.
theo von
But men would have so much chi built up in them.
joe rogan
Nope.
Nope.
They'd be bitches.
They'd be giving in every chance they could.
theo von
Oh, because the women would own it.
joe rogan
It would be worth so much more.
theo von
Oh.
joe rogan
Yeah, because women would be able to decide whether or not you came.
If that was the only way, if women were the rulers of whether or not you came, if there was no way to come without them, oh my god, they would dominate.
theo von
We're fucked, dude.
I know that's going to be the next law.
joe rogan
If they're really smart, that's how they would take over.
Chop our arms off.
unidentified
Dude, what are you telling me, though?
theo von
You wouldn't watch like a little like Chinese guy jerk off from like 30 feet away.
joe rogan
Oh my god, I'm going back to this again.
theo von
No, but just tell me.
joe rogan
I've watched train accidents.
I don't want them to happen.
If Jamie pulls up a video of a train accident, oh my god, you gotta see this one.
unidentified
Shit.
joe rogan
Okay, go ahead.
I'd watch it.
theo von
Oh, I don't watch that kind of stuff.
joe rogan
You don't?
theo von
But tell me about this.
How close do you get?
Like, there's a Chinese guy jerking off in a park, okay?
And he's...
joe rogan
Depends on who I am.
theo von
He's Cantonese.
He's Cantonese.
joe rogan
Am I me right now?
theo von
You're you.
joe rogan
Right now.
theo von
You're jogging, right?
joe rogan
Jogging.
Guys beating off.
Depends on how close he is to the road.
theo von
But you stop to tie your shoe, right?
And you see him in the park.
You're like, oh, that guy's definitely beaten off.
And you're about 200 yards away.
joe rogan
I probably would stay there.
theo von
How close would you walk to it?
joe rogan
I don't know.
When someone's jerking off in public, you have an obligation to do one of two things.
It depends on what he's doing.
Is he looking at you and jerking off?
unidentified
No.
joe rogan
Because if he's looking at you and jerking off, if he's doing it out in the open, he might be sick.
theo von
But he's turned enough towards you that you're kind of invited, I think.
joe rogan
No, no, no.
theo von
Yeah, you're right.
joe rogan
If you're in the park, this is just...
I mean, being 100% serious, if I'm running in the park and I see five yards over to the side, right next to a tree, there's a guy beating off, I'm going to stop running.
And I'm going to look at him, and I'm going to look at all the people around him, and I'm going to keep an eye on him.
And I'm probably either going to call the cops, or I'm definitely going to stand there.
Because what if some person is jogging, and he just decides this is the time to jump on this person?
theo von
Yeah.
joe rogan
What if some kid is walking by and he snatches that kid and drags him into the bushes?
This guy is so crazy, he's beating off in public and he's looking at you?
theo von
Yeah, that's true.
joe rogan
I don't think I would go over and be violent with him, but I would definitely keep an eye on him.
I'm not going to let...
What if he's a fucking sexual predator and he's looking to do something to someone and you could be like Peter Parker in Spider-Man and save your uncle?
theo von
Yeah.
unidentified
Right?
joe rogan
You know that's what made Peter Parker become Spider-Man?
theo von
He saved his uncle?
joe rogan
Well, he had the power, and he didn't save his uncle, and a robber ran past him, and he didn't feel like he had to do anything about it, and the robber got into the elevator, and he killed his uncle.
theo von
Oh, I didn't even know that.
joe rogan
Yeah, that's the story.
And it wasn't an elevator.
I forget what the actual story was, but the robber did something to his uncle and killed him, and his uncle was everything to him.
His uncle took care of him.
So then he decided he could never let evil people do anything bad again, and he became Spider-Man.
theo von
I like that.
joe rogan
The superhero.
I think you have an obligation, especially if you're Yeah.
If I was a small woman and I was in that same situation, I would say, call the cops immediately.
You know, don't try to be a hero.
Get the fuck away from that guy, but call the cops immediately.
But I'm pretty sure most dudes that are beaten off in the forest like that, they're not looking for me.
Right.
They're looking for a woman or a child.
theo von
Yeah, that's true.
They're probably not looking to meet another man.
joe rogan
I would tell another dude, if I saw another dude, I'd grab another dude for sure to help me.
theo von
Like, let's get this dude.
joe rogan
I'd be like, hey, hey, hey, come here, man.
This fucking guy's just beating off.
And most men would be like, oh, Jesus, what do we do?
We'll call the cops.
Keep an eye on them.
I'm going to call the cops.
Don't let them get away.
If somebody runs by, tell them to.
Oh, yeah.
See, when someone's really crazy...
When someone's really crazy, like that kind of crazy, like some guy got arrested for trying to abduct a kid, trying to drag a kid into his house, and he had horns on his head.
He's got horns.
He's a sexual predator, and he's got those implants in his head where he looks like some kind of a fucking demon, and his ears hang down to his fucking chin.
theo von
Fucking idiots.
joe rogan
Oh, great.
That guy's out there.
That's a real guy.
Just got caught, right?
So if you run into that sort of a situation, you have to, as a person, you can't just run away.
I feel like you've got to stand around and make this, you know, make people aware of this.
unidentified
Right.
theo von
Say, hey, this guy's trying to come over here.
This guy is jerking off.
Or, yeah, I think getting somebody else to help.
joe rogan
But there's less of that than there's ever been before, but there's always going to be some of it.
So you're talking about with pedophiles.
Like, how do you stop that forever?
unidentified
Right.
joe rogan
How is that possible to stop that forever?
theo von
We had a dude in school when I was growing up, this guy Big Richard, right?
And he ended up...
joe rogan
You mean Big Dick?
That's what you call him?
theo von
No, this guy...
Well, we didn't know...
This was before we were old enough to know that Dick and Richard were the same name.
joe rogan
How are Dick and...
How about this?
How is Jack John?
How is short for John Jack?
theo von
Is it really?
joe rogan
Yeah.
theo von
I don't even know that.
joe rogan
JFK. John F. Kennedy.
theo von
John F. Kennedy.
joe rogan
Jack Kennedy.
theo von
Oh, wow.
I didn't know who Jack Kennedy was.
joe rogan
The fuck is that?
theo von
Yeah.
joe rogan
There's some other weird ones, right?
theo von
We're never going to get a universal language if we can't even get that right.
jamie vernon
It's from Irish.
It's how you say Jack in Irish.
I had to look this up.
theo von
Really?
jamie vernon
Yeah.
theo von
John.
jamie vernon
Since they're Irish, that makes a lot more sense.
unidentified
John.
jamie vernon
The way you say John, I believe, actually.
theo von
I guess if you said it fast and from far away, it could sound like Jack.
Hey, John.
joe rogan
Yeah.
How about short for Barbara is Babs?
theo von
Yeah, I know a Babs, actually.
joe rogan
Is that...
Babs, that's weird.
Short for Barbara.
theo von
Barb is a rough name though, I think.
joe rogan
Barb?
Like a hook?
theo von
Yeah, like, and who wants to go home and fuck Barb, you know?
joe rogan
But Barbie is cute.
theo von
Barbie is cute.
joe rogan
Huh.
theo von
Sal is like a man's name.
joe rogan
Salvatore.
theo von
But that's a short for a woman.
joe rogan
But there's other weird ones with men.
I know there's some other weird ones that I forget.
theo von
Big Sal.
I know a lesbian named Big Sal.
joe rogan
Whoa.
What's her real name?
Sally?
theo von
I don't know.
joe rogan
So I used to be called Sal?
theo von
But one time she borrowed a man's bathing suit to go swimming with us, and I thought that was pretty impressive, dude.
joe rogan
No top or tops?
theo von
No top.
Daddy, let's go.
joe rogan
She's fucking selling.
theo von
She was in the shallow end, too, Daddy, you know?
And that's a healthy gal.
But yeah, I think if somebody...
I was in Germany one time, and I was on a bike ride, and they had a man swinging his dick in a big circle, and I thought that that was...
But it was a nudist area of a park.
joe rogan
Well, if you got a nudist area, that's what you're going to encounter.
theo von
Yeah.
joe rogan
People swinging dicks.
theo von
Yeah, I guess I was kind of...
I just sped off.
joe rogan
Yeah.
theo von
I think about it sometimes.
joe rogan
About Big Sal?
theo von
No, but it's about that guy in the park and what he was doing, why he was doing that.
joe rogan
You know what I used to think?
I used to think, oh, look at that piece of shit.
Now I think, oh, that was a baby.
unidentified
Right.
joe rogan
That was a baby that now became this helicopter dick weirdo.
unidentified
What happened?
joe rogan
Standing on the street, pointing to his hog, spinning around like a hula.
theo von
That's exactly what he was doing, spinning like that.
joe rogan
It's fucking weird, man.
theo von
It's crazy.
joe rogan
It's fucking weird.
It's weird that there are people that do that.
And how much of that is because of repression?
If you went to the most sexually liberated country, do they have more or less perversion?
That's the question.
And how much of it is imported?
if you went to the most sexually liberated place like and how many of the people that come in are people from out of town that are weird that want freaky shit and then it becomes an economy yeah and how many people just leave them to their own just be chill yeah because we're pretty caged up they say here in america it's pretty you know everything's kind of taboo and you can't see nipples and stuff on television and yeah it's weird but i wonder if that's also why we get so much done yeah Yeah.
You know, like, do we?
I mean, maybe it's just...
Maybe it's my perception that we get more done than other...
That we're more productive.
theo von
I mean, it's...
I think we focus on it a lot.
joe rogan
Yeah.
A lot of things have definitely come from here.
But I think that's changing, right?
theo von
Yeah.
But I think pedophiles going out of style, too.
I think there was a time where a more...
joe rogan
People got away with it easier, that's for sure.
unidentified
Yeah.
joe rogan
It's harder to get away with it, but God, that fucking...
Whatever that is that makes a person do that just doesn't seem like we've eradicated that.
theo von
It must just be a loose wire in them.
Imagine that.
joe rogan
The thing about that is if they could one day figure out a way to get certain traits and breed them out of people or engineer them out of people...
theo von
We're fucked then.
joe rogan
Well, what would you leave in?
Would you leave in emotional outbursts?
Would you leave in the ability to have an emotional outburst?
Like, what the fuck?
theo von
Yeah, I would leave that.
joe rogan
Would you leave that in?
theo von
That's fun.
joe rogan
Yeah, it's fun for me, but maybe you and I wouldn't be the ones who decide.
theo von
Would you leave sneezing in?
joe rogan
No, I mean, behavior.
Male emotional outbursts.
theo von
Okay.
joe rogan
Like, fucking cunts!
unidentified
Yeah.
joe rogan
You fucking assholes!
Like, that kind of shit.
That kind of shit.
theo von
Yes, I would leave that in.
joe rogan
I would leave that in, too.
theo von
Not a lot of it, though.
I'd turn it down a little.
joe rogan
I wouldn't fuck with it.
I don't think it's our job to fuck with it.
theo von
Okay.
joe rogan
Because you need that if a war breaks out.
unidentified
Right.
theo von
Yeah, you can't be some guys like, oh, going to war.
joe rogan
Yeah, you're going to need that energy.
You're going to need that whole male eruption fucking crazed aggression that you don't like.
Well, when an invading village is headed over the top of the hill, you want that in a dude with an axe.
theo von
Yeah.
joe rogan
You want that.
You want that to be available.
theo von
Yeah, agreed.
joe rogan
Unless we get to a point where we don't have any war anywhere ever again.
But until then, what if we engineer it out but the Russians say they're going to but they don't?
theo von
They would do that probably.
We would do that also.
joe rogan
We would definitely do that.
theo von
We're so fucking sneaky.
Do you think that we will have another war?
joe rogan
I hope not.
But that's always the fear, right?
I mean, we're in the middle of two right now.
theo von
You think there could ever be another state war in America?
joe rogan
Like a civil war?
theo von
States.
joe rogan
Well, some people were worried about that.
theo von
Some people were worried about that.
Some people want state-run government.
joe rogan
Well, some people were worried about that as hate for the Republicans and hate for Trump in particular ramps up.
And that they're really worried that there'll be some sort of a violent outbreak between the right and the left.
And that this could actually really happen.
Man.
It's not impossible.
It's not impossible that at least battles could break out because people are fucking polarized, man.
unidentified
Yeah.
joe rogan
But I think what's interesting to me is that more and more people, it seems like, at least from my perspective, on the right are now coming out against Trump.
It seems more common, more common, especially with this government shutdown.
People are like, what the fuck?
There's so many videos of people going, what are you talking about with this wall?
We need money.
These government people, a lot of them are living check to check.
You're shutting down their...
This is the only way you can negotiate this wall?
This is the only way you can fund this wall?
This is crazy.
theo von
Yeah.
Yeah, I mean, it's, I don't know.
I mean, people always say the government sucks, fucking shut it down, and then it shuts down, everybody gets mad, you know?
joe rogan
Well, it makes an argument that the government should be doing less things.
This is the real argument.
The argument is, some of those things that the government does, why does the government have to do it?
Why can't it be privatized?
Why can't it become a business?
It would probably run better if some of those things were not run by the government, like airport security, or like road maintenance, or like a lot of other things.
Like, don't have the government do it, have private contractors do it, have strong standards.
And strong competition.
And John Stossel actually has a video about it right now.
It's on his Twitter page.
It's a long video, but explaining how one of the things people are realizing from this government shutdown is that the government does a lot of things that they don't have to do.
It would be probably better for everybody if some of these things We're streamlined.
Some of these things were done by the private sector.
I don't think that's a bad idea.
I think there's a lot of things that could be done better if there was competition, as soon as the government controls certain businesses.
I mean, maybe they do it really well, maybe they don't.
I think there's certain things where socialism works really well.
Here's one.
Fire department.
You gotta pay for the fire department.
Everybody wants to fund the fire department.
You cut the fire budget, man.
What if my granny dies in a house?
Nobody wants fire, man.
We gotta pay for the fire department.
Pay for that shit.
Pay for the police.
Pay.
Everybody says, pay.
It shouldn't be rich people only get cops and poor people don't get cops.
That's crazy.
Everyone would say that's crazy, right?
Well, why is that not the case with education, too, then?
theo von
Well, Right.
joe rogan
Don't you want people to learn things?
When did education become such a big business?
Why is that a business?
It should be our goal as patriots to make less losers, more happy, successful people, more aware people, more educated people.
But instead, it's subsidized by the government, and that makes it even weirder.
And then you have student loans, you can't escape.
theo von
Yeah, a lot of that is pretty bizarre.
joe rogan
Dude, it's bizarre as fuck.
It should be free.
theo von
But there's also, like, there's another, like, some people don't want to do anything.
That's true.
They just want to be alive, and they just, they don't want to contribute and really have any sort of life.
unidentified
That's true.
theo von
And they have no desire for that, and there's generation and generation and generation of them.
joe rogan
That is true.
But what if...
Do you ever look at universal basic income?
It's a weird idea.
I flatly rejected it when I first heard it.
theo von
Do we have it?
joe rogan
No, we don't have it.
They've tried it out in a couple of places, but I don't think it's really worked out that well.
But the idea behind it, I'm having a guy who comes on soon.
His name's Andrew Yang.
He's a proponent of universal basic income.
And the idea is you give people X amount of dollars per month, whether it's $1,000 per month, and everybody gets it, no matter what.
And by doing that, you take care of all of the burden of survival.
Like, we take care of everyone in the civilization.
Everyone gets food.
Everyone gets shelter.
So that eliminates a lot of crime and a lot of strife just right away.
unidentified
Right.
theo von
More laid back.
joe rogan
The question is, where's all that money come from?
There's $1,000 a month, $300...
8 million, is that what it was?
Plus, you know, that was 2010. It's probably more now.
Let's say 320. That is a lot of money.
320 million thousand.
So that's 320 billion, right?
Isn't that what it is?
theo von
I have no clue, man.
joe rogan
320 billion a month.
Wouldn't that be...
If you gave a thousand people a million dollars, isn't that what it would be?
A thousand million is a billion, right?
Just do it in the calculator, bro.
Don't do it in your head.
theo von
A thousand million?
joe rogan
Yeah.
So that's...
Right.
So it must be.
So that's so much money.
So three...
So the wall...
Like him talking about building the wall.
Isn't he asking for five billion?
theo von
Yeah, they want five billion.
unidentified
Yeah, sure.
joe rogan
Okay.
theo von
It's not that much, I don't think.
joe rogan
Well, that's to build a wall once.
This is every month you would need all those billions.
That's a lot of fucking cheddar.
unidentified
Yeah.
theo von
So that means everybody would have their basic needs met.
joe rogan
Yes, everybody would get $1,000.
Where that money comes from, this is what I need to talk to this guy about.
Obviously, I'm not a mathematician or any sort of an economist, so I don't have any idea what they've...
How they feel like they could do this.
theo von
They got that.
joe rogan
$3,000 a month?
jamie vernon
For every adult in the country.
joe rogan
Jesus!
That's a lot.
jamie vernon
Plus a stipend of $250 a month.
joe rogan
Is that Andrew Yang?
jamie vernon
It's not from him specifically, but it's from a guy that was talking bad about it.
Actually, he was just giving you what people were asking.
joe rogan
Oh, someone talking bad about it.
That's that UBI? Yeah, someone talking bad about it.
Well, yeah, $3,000 a month is a lot.
That's crazy.
That's almost...
That's crazy.
It's $36,000 a year?
I mean, that would be nice, right?
Then you'd be in the top 1% of the world.
Everybody over $34,000?
Yeah, $34,000 I think is 1% of the world.
jamie vernon
It says it would cut the nation's poverty rate in half.
theo von
Yeah.
joe rogan
Where's the money coming from?
theo von
And also, do you lose incentive at that point?
joe rogan
That's a good question.
Is that bad?
Yes.
Is it bad to lose incentive?
theo von
Yes.
joe rogan
Why?
theo von
Because that's what...
It's like the drive.
It's the only reason...
Otherwise, nobody overcomes anything.
Nobody achieves.
There's no...
joe rogan
Is that true?
Does the drive always have to be for survival, or can the drive be the drive to succeed and better yourself?
Look at it this way.
If you had $35,000 a year, would you think you'd be cool?
You'd be like, I don't need to tour.
I got $35,000 coming.
theo von
No, I'd want to work harder.
joe rogan
Right.
I think a lot of people would want to work harder because I think your motivation would be different.
Your motivation would be to do better than $35,000, but that $35,000 would take care of you.
Look, if money was free and economy didn't make any sense and you could just fix it like that, I would say, yeah, fix it like that.
Where the fuck is all that money coming from?
That's a crazy amount of money.
theo von
Yeah, we couldn't do it.
I mean, that means a lot of rich people would have to give up some of their money.
People aren't doing all of that.
joe rogan
Dude, that would be $900 billion every month.
theo von
Yeah, nobody's doing that.
joe rogan
Am I right about that?
$300 billion?
jamie vernon
It's for every adult.
It's not to give it to every person.
joe rogan
Oh, okay.
Every adult.
Oh, so you'd have to raise your kids.
They get the money.
Fuck it.
They get a car, $3,000, no bills.
That's true.
That's true.
So how many people are we dealing with?
How many people are adults?
jamie vernon
It changes, too.
This is the argument they make, that you would end some of the subsidies that are already going on, like Medicare and Social Security and maybe welfare in some cases, because people would have money that they're spending or they're getting now, so that money might, I don't know.
theo von
It'd be worth a shot.
I think it'd be worth a shot, but how long do you try to make, you know, because then people are going to be like, I needed more time, you know?
joe rogan
Right.
Well, that would be, they wouldn't ever get their shit together.
There's some people that will definitely do that.
There's some people that will never get their shit together, and...
I don't believe that this is a simulation.
I don't believe that we're in some sort of a video game.
But if we're in something that was a learning environment, you would want both to have your own opportunities for failure and to see examples of failure around you.
You would want to see that.
I'm not happy that Artie Lang, that his nose is caved in and that he's got all these problems with drugs.
I'm not happy with that.
I love Artie Lang.
I want Artie Lang to be clean.
I think he's hilarious.
I think he's a great guy.
The one thing that could be good that comes out of that for anyone other than Artie Lang and Artie Lang's loved ones and friends is someone that's just looking at him online and sees what he's done and goes, fuck, man, I don't want to ruin it.
This guy's in and out of court.
He's always getting arrested.
He keeps pissing hot.
theo von
It's kind of cheesy.
joe rogan
I was reading something today.
Well, the thing is that it's sad.
It's sad, and people love the guy, and you see this is dangerous.
Drugs are dangerous.
Some people, it hits them this way, and for whatever host of factors, Artie's got it bad.
We love Artie.
So someone on the outside seeing that could be like, wow.
And that now is a thought in their head if somebody offers them those same drugs.
And so I don't need to make my life hit rock bottom.
I can look at this guy or that guy or maybe someone in the neighborhood or people around you that don't get their shit together.
You can see what happens when they don't chase their dreams, they don't follow their ambitions, they don't...
Take the time to let the people around them know that they love them.
They don't do those things, and you get to see that.
That's a little bit of your own education, too.
It's not ideal.
Ideal would be everybody is doing great, and we would all have this big old fucking happy community.
theo von
But yeah, some education comes from that.
joe rogan
You get education from that.
theo von
And also, but do you start to, even specifically with Artie Lang, do you ever think that when that started to become such a big part of his life, that I worried that...
I wonder, is he going to falter with drugs and stuff because it keeps his name in people's minds?
joe rogan
No, I don't think so.
theo von
I wouldn't think people would.
joe rogan
He was always a successful guy anyway.
When I met him, he was on MADtv.
I met him in 1994, the same time I met Callan.
I became friends with Artie.
We did a scene together where I played a boxer, and he was a boxing manager.
theo von
I didn't even know that.
I didn't even know he did that show.
joe rogan
Yeah, man, it's probably online somewhere.
Wow, he looks so young.
I was like, I think I was 27. Wow.
Yeah, and he was probably the same age as me, or real close, as was Callan.
Callan is just a...
That's me right there.
That is crazy.
theo von
You're the boxer?
joe rogan
Yeah.
unidentified
Wow.
joe rogan
Dude, that is crazy.
unidentified
Oh, look at the shoulders, though, huh?
joe rogan
Oh my god.
This is atrocious.
theo von
What does it feel like to look at your young body like that?
joe rogan
It's weird.
theo von
Is it?
joe rogan
Yeah, it's weird.
theo von
Does it feel like a different person?
joe rogan
Yeah, it doesn't feel like it was me.
unidentified
Yeah.
joe rogan
Well, you look at yourself, you know, from the past.
theo von
Fuck, bro.
Look at you, huh?
joe rogan
Look at Artie.
theo von
Handsome guy.
Even Artie's fucking handsome in this shit.
joe rogan
Dude, I had hair.
Look at all that hair.
It's kind of an illusion.
theo von
Was it?
joe rogan
Yeah, it was falling out.
It was definitely on the way.
theo von
Did you know you were going to lose your hair?
joe rogan
Terrified.
unidentified
Yeah.
joe rogan
It's weird seeing my body with no tattoos, too.
theo von
Oh, that's interesting, I bet.
joe rogan
Yeah.
That wasn't even, like, weightlifting days.
That was all martial arts days.
theo von
Dang, bro.
joe rogan
Strange.
theo von
But, yeah, the first time I even heard of Artie was just through drugs, so maybe my perception of that is that, you know?
joe rogan
Well, Artie...
You know, he was a very successful comedian for sure from the Howard Stern show from doing dirty work that Norm Macdonald movie and a bunch of other things mad TV so many different things that he did He was always very successful and very well liked like in the comedy world if you don't like Like if someone says fuck Artie Lang you'd be like what really?
unidentified
Right.
joe rogan
Who the fuck are you?
Yeah, what you don't like Artie?
theo von
Yeah, that's wrong.
joe rogan
He's the nicest guy ever It's just one of those things, man.
You don't want to see it go down like that.
You don't want to.
theo von
But you learn from it.
Yeah, other people learn from it.
joe rogan
Other people do learn from it.
Other people learn from all kinds of things that people do wrong.
You know, you don't want those things to happen, but man, they're educational for all of us.
We're all in this constant state of evolving.
This culture that we're in right now, this civilization is rapidly changing.
Everything is shifting and moving and growing.
It's out of control, man.
I mean, it really is.
theo von
Oh, and a lot of elements.
I was listening to when you and Bill Burr were talking last time.
He was talking about flying around and stuff like that.
And then he was talking about doing a comedy special.
And he's like, I don't even know what to do with it these days.
Do I just do clips?
Do I put it...
Yeah, things just change so fast.
Whereas a year ago or two years ago, it would have been like, oh, this is exactly what you do.
Make a special.
joe rogan
Now it's like, do I... Right.
Right.
Louis decided to put his special on his website and you buy it for like five bucks, which is a really reasonable amount and it was a really good special and it killed.
He made a shit ton of money.
theo von
Right.
joe rogan
And then people realized that he made a shit ton of money and then people realized how good he was and then people realized how famous he really actually was and then everything started booming And he was already in the process of happening, but it happened even more because he did that.
Then, Netflix came along.
unidentified
Right.
joe rogan
That's the ideal.
theo von
They shook it up.
joe rogan
There's nothing better than that situation.
That situation, they just set it up.
They're like, we're going to get everybody.
We have a fucking trillion dollars.
We're going to get everybody.
We're going to get all the greats.
We're going to get Chappelle, Chris Ross, everybody.
Fill in the blanks.
Sebastian.
They're just going to crush Bill Burr.
They're going to just crush it and keep crushing it.
And then anything else now, like if someone has a special on Comedy Central, you go, oh, I guess Netflix wouldn't hook them up.
theo von
Yeah.
joe rogan
They ought to go to Comedy Central.
That's how you look at it.
theo von
Right.
joe rogan
In the comedy community.
theo von
Right.
joe rogan
But I think a real player is going to be Amazon, because this Amazon show, The Marvelous Mrs. Maisel.
theo von
Yeah, people love it.
joe rogan
It is fucking good, man.
Is it?
It's good.
As a comic, I watch it, I get nervous.
I get anxiety when she's about to go on stage.
theo von
I gotta watch it.
joe rogan
Dude, it's fucking good.
The guy who plays Lenny Bruce kills it.
Kills it.
He seems like a less seedy, less problematic Lenny Bruce.
But he seems a lot like Lenny Bruce.
I mean, he's, you know, he can only do so much with it.
He's written in as a, he's like someone who helps the Marvelous Mrs. Mayfield.
theo von
Was Lenny seedy?
Was Lenny Bruce seedy, man?
joe rogan
A little bit.
I mean, it's just...
He doesn't seem...
This is just...
The way it's written doesn't seem like a guy who died of a heroin overdose.
theo von
Right.
Is that how he died?
joe rogan
Yeah.
He seems like more together in the TV show.
It's almost like, in the TV show, he seems like a victim of the...
Censorship of the circumstances involved in that point in time.
More like in the future, he went mad.
You know, if you ever see any of the ancient...
One of the things that I noticed when I really started getting into stand-up, I would watch some of the old stuff.
And one of the things that I found is that you can...
I think I bought it as a VHS. I don't think it was online.
I think it was way before YouTube and this stuff was available online.
You could get old performances.
And I watched Lenny Bruce.
theo von
Wow.
joe rogan
And this videotape that I bought, it's basically they're filming him going over his court case in front of a group of people.
It's really weird because he's not really telling stand-up.
He's just reading off of his court case.
theo von
Oh wow, that's kind of interesting.
It's not.
joe rogan
It's like he's going mad.
It's going crazy because they're trying to bring him into jail.
They're fining him and arresting him and they're locking him up in jail and they're ruining his career because he's swearing on stage.
And what he's trying to say is, I'm trying to point things out.
If I say something, if I say a naughty word, it's for a reason.
It's to express myself.
I'm not just saying things because they're illegal and I want you to lock me up.
theo von
He went on trial for that?
unidentified
Oh, yeah.
joe rogan
Oh, he went to jail for that.
He got arrested many times.
Many times.
Him and George Carlin.
Look, the reason why we can do it the way we do it now, there's a direct, you could trace the path, there's a direct path to Lenny Bruce.
Lenny Bruce started it all off.
theo von
I need to do some more work.
joe rogan
He opened the door for guys like Carlin and Pryor.
There's Mort Saul back then, too, but Lenny in particular.
He had an irreverence to him and this notion to buck the current standard of what you could and couldn't say.
You know, he just changed what comedy was.
theo von
That's brave.
joe rogan
Dude, he was a...
You know, there's people like that that are these figures, whether it's Nikola Tesla for technology and innovation, whether it's...
You know, there's a bunch of people like that in this world.
theo von
Yeah.
Changers.
joe rogan
One dude.
It's like Elon Musk is another one.
One dude.
unidentified
Pow!
joe rogan
Just, woo!
Look at this.
Jesus Christ.
There's these people that are like that.
One guy just goes off in a direction.
theo von
Yeah.
And I think, like, I wonder, say, if they went to the universal money for everybody, right?
UBI or whatever it was.
joe rogan
I don't necessarily think it's the worst thing in the world.
theo von
But then would you have as much adversity for people?
Like, would you get a Nikola Tesla?
Would you get a George Carlin?
Would you get people if they didn't have...
To look at the world that they're born into and see not things be uneven and spark some desire.
I just wonder if we get that.
joe rogan
I don't know.
I think you would only have your needs met.
I think you would still have your desire to improve.
I think that's an inherent thing.
But I think it would be more beneficial.
This is just a wild guess.
I might be totally wrong.
It might be totally wrong and you might be right.
It might ruin people's ambition.
But it might raise the base level.
So what we're operating from is never the same level of desperation.
So maybe we're not as mean to each other.
But maybe the innovation still takes place because people are always going to want to be challenged.
And maybe it comes from a good place instead of from this constant place of desperation.
theo von
Right, so if somebody goes from a zero to a ten in their life, which would be somebody that does something unique and special and outstanding, if everybody automatically is given a three at their base, then now that person is going to get us to a thirteen.
joe rogan
Yeah, or maybe you just don't have as much violence.
You don't have as much sadness.
theo von
Oh, that's true, because people, yeah, people were violent when they see, they want stuff from other people.
joe rogan
If your food and your shelter is always met, like, we don't have that, right?
And we talked about earlier about, like, cultures have standards, and these standards, they're different everywhere, and those communities accept them, and they don't like it when you try to change the standards.
unidentified
Mm-hmm.
joe rogan
If our standards here were that all of our needs are met, we decide as a community, if we're going to stick together and call ourselves America, we should treat ourselves as a family.
We treat ourselves as a family.
We shouldn't ignore neighborhoods.
We shouldn't ignore communities that are downtrodden.
We shouldn't ignore any kind of poverty.
We shouldn't ignore a lack of education or a lack of nutrition.
We shouldn't ignore those things.
So if we take care of all those things, all of those things, First, before we do anything else, if you had to re-engineer America, would you think, hey, what we have to do is ramp up the military budget by $94 billion because we're basically arms dealers.
And we're going to make these deals with Syria and Saudi Arabia and wherever the fuck we could sell rockets to.
theo von
No!
joe rogan
But that's what we do.
theo von
That's what we do.
joe rogan
That is what we do.
But if instead, someone came along and said, no, the way to make this country stronger is not make the arms industry bigger.
The way to make this country stronger is to make the human industry better.
theo von
Right.
joe rogan
Make it better.
theo von
Let's fine-tune humans.
joe rogan
Fine-tune us.
theo von
Yeah, why haven't we done that?
joe rogan
Less losers.
Yeah.
2024. I like that.
Theo Vaughn, run for president.
Less losers.
unidentified
Less losers.
theo von
That would be the best.
joe rogan
I'll be your vice president, but I'll be like Pence.
I don't do anything.
theo von
I like that, man.
joe rogan
Just hang back and eat chicken.
theo von
Nice, and I'll have the weird hair.
I gotta pee so bad.
Yeah, go ahead.
joe rogan
We're probably almost done anyway.
It's already 3 o'clock.
Go pee.
theo von
Go pee.
jamie vernon
Here's an infographic on the UBI. It's because the argument for the positive or wanting it is a lot of jobs are going to be replaced by robots soon.
joe rogan
Right.
jamie vernon
And these are some of the jobs that are at risk.
Yeah.
joe rogan
They think automation is going to kill most jobs.
So insurance underwriter, 99% of jobs are at risk.
Farm laborer, 97% of jobs are at risk.
Wow.
Fast food cook, 97% of jobs at risk.
Construction laborer, 88%.
Truck driver, 79%.
Mail carrier, 68%.
Wow.
jamie vernon
They recently had a robot cooking food.
I think it was called Flippy.
I don't remember where they put it.
I think it was somewhere in the United States maybe, but they just fired it was the word they used because it was doing too good.
unidentified
Whoa.
jamie vernon
Yeah.
joe rogan
Fired it because it was doing too good.
That doesn't...
I get it.
I believe it.
Yeah.
That's a stupid ass-ended way of looking at it.
I don't understand that stupid shit.
jamie vernon
Some place called Cali Burger.
joe rogan
I don't know where that is.
It was too good.
That's so stupid.
That's so dumb.
It's been sidelined, at least temporarily.
Turns out the automated fast food worker created by Miso Robux was a victim of his own success.
jamie vernon
150 burgers an hour.
joe rogan
Wow.
jamie vernon
So, yeah.
joe rogan
Why's that bad?
It's better.
jamie vernon
It's way better.
joe rogan
It's better than you.
You don't want to work that job.
jamie vernon
No.
unidentified
Right?
joe rogan
I'd suck at that job.
jamie vernon
If we can find some other things for people to do, maybe.
joe rogan
You know, I'm good at a couple of things.
I'm not good at flipping burgers.
You're not good at that.
You don't want to fucking mindlessly flip burgers.
It doesn't even need a mind.
Why not leave the mindless things to things with no mind?
So this is the idea behind it.
But the problem is, where's the money come to take care of all the people with the universal basic income?
And are you saving enough money with the robots to make it actually profitable to pay for people?
jamie vernon
There's a part on that here.
joe rogan
Like you save more money and make more money.
Well, Andrew Yang is going to come in here and he's going to explain all this stuff to me in a way that's supposedly going to make sense.
He seems really smart and he was on Sam Harris' podcast and that worked over there.
theo von
Man, that's the most urine I've ever held, I think.
joe rogan
Congratulations.
theo von
How much can you hold?
joe rogan
What kind of car do you drive, Theo Vaughn?
theo von
I drive a BMW. But I'm trying to get rid of it.
joe rogan
I figure you're more for a muscle car type fella.
theo von
Really?
joe rogan
Yeah.
theo von
I used to own a 1984 Ford Escort and somebody stole my passenger seat.
joe rogan
God damn it.
theo von
Yeah.
joe rogan
What are they going to do with a passenger seat?
theo von
I don't know.
Probably put in the living room, I would guess, at the time.
joe rogan
Or put in the forest and jerk off.
theo von
Dude, how much comes out in the fucking forest, bro?
joe rogan
A lot.
theo von
That's where the next...
No wonder a swamp thing happened.
joe rogan
Well, I was thinking this once.
They found out that in some plants, some plants contain...
DNA from salmon, because the salmon were used as fertilizer by the plant.
As it decomposed, it got into the actual plant itself, and you can actually somehow or another, through some scientific process that I'm too stupid to understand, they can actually detect salmon in the actual plant itself.
theo von
We're close.
joe rogan
So if you were whacking off on that tree and that tree, it's every day, that's your spot.
You went down to that titty tree and whacked off on the roots.
theo von
Yeah.
joe rogan
And then like after a while, you did an analysis and you found your DNA in the tree itself.
theo von
Hell yeah.
joe rogan
Can you imagine?
theo von
Oh, it'd be great, man.
joe rogan
If it maintains the information of everything that whacked off on it.
theo von
You have a little son made out of wood one day.
Dude, they had a kid in our town.
One time, this guy made his son a wooden shirt.
Did I tell you that?
joe rogan
A wooden shirt?
theo von
Yeah, he made his son a shirt out of plywood for Christmas.
unidentified
What?
theo von
Yeah.
joe rogan
He wanted a kid to wear it?
theo von
Oh, yeah, he did.
And I remember I was...
joe rogan
Wait a minute.
Is it a stiff shirt?
Or did he make it like little itty bitty tiny pieces of plywood and weave it all together?
theo von
Oh, no.
It was pretty stiff.
And the dad was a...
Yeah, like an Elvis impersonator, you know?
joe rogan
The dad was an Elvis impersonator?
theo von
Yeah.
joe rogan
At a casino?
Or did he do it at carnivals?
theo von
No, just locally.
Oh.
But we didn't even need him.
joe rogan
No money in that?
theo von
No.
No money in it.
Really, I think he was probably an alcoholic.
unidentified
Yeah.
theo von
But he had four kids, and one of them he made...
I was walking home one night, and I heard him in the garage, and he's making a sun for Christmas, like a wooden shirt.
There you go.
Not as nice.
That one is nice.
joe rogan
Wooden shirt.
theo von
Yeah, can you get more?
joe rogan
But that's like a sculpture.
theo von
Yeah, that's nice.
Can you get one more that's like...
joe rogan
If you go over someone's house and they have a wooden shirt on a hanger and they think that's cute, just leave.
These people are assholes.
theo von
Now this kid needed it because people used to beat this kid up.
Is that salmon?
joe rogan
Yeah, it's a framed wooden shirt.
People used to beat him up because of his wooden shirt?
theo von
No, people used to beat him up anyway on the bus.
joe rogan
Well, the wooden shirt would protect you from a lot of shots.
Is that the idea?
He didn't wear that wooden shirt.
You better shut the fuck up.
theo von
I swear to God he did.
joe rogan
That kid's not walking around with wood over his body like that.
theo von
Not today.
joe rogan
You know how heavy that would be?
theo von
Yeah.
joe rogan
Was there pads inside of it?
theo von
It looked heavy.
Fuck no, dude.
Who do you think his dad is?
Estee Lauder?
unidentified
Yeah, see, there's some lady wearing something there.
theo von
But this was early.
It might have been teak.
joe rogan
That girl needs way too much attention.
Look at her posing, pretending to be aloof, short hair, by the ocean, wearing a wooden shirt.
How about a big no?
That's a big no from me.
Hey, do you want to meet my friend Michelle?
She's channeling with her fucking geometrically patterned Wooden shirt on.
What?
No.
I like regular people.
theo von
This kid's name was Eddie.
Can you look up Teak?
What does Teak look like?
joe rogan
Imagine if someone was trying to set you up with that gal.
You'd be like, well, I'm torn.
Because obviously she's very pretty.
Are you sure she's not crazy?
unidentified
Yeah.
joe rogan
If you're super desperate.
theo von
She might have splinters in her tits.
unidentified
I'm out.
joe rogan
Dude, it was one photo shoot.
She doesn't wear that.
unidentified
Yeah.
joe rogan
Except when she worships the ocean.
theo von
I don't like that.
Now that's something a little more malleable, teak or something like that.
What other kind of wood do they have?
joe rogan
All over print shirt.
theo von
Now we're talking.
joe rogan
Let's click on that.
Yeah, but that's just a print.
theo von
So it was like that, but a little bit more, but more real.
joe rogan
And he wore this for what reason?
Protection?
theo von
Yeah.
joe rogan
Like a chest plate?
Like a Roman soldier type deal?
theo von
I would say like that.
joe rogan
Okay.
Was it like, how was it connected on the waist, on the sides rather?
unidentified
Yeah.
theo von
It was just kind of like a long square.
It was almost like a kind of a cereal box kind of.
joe rogan
Where did he put his arms?
Like rest his arms on the side?
theo von
In the side, yeah.
joe rogan
Fuck your armpits up.
theo von
Oh, it was limiting.
I mean, look, man, these weren't, I mean, the man that made it, not a real savant.
joe rogan
You can't do that today.
People would find out.
They would call him out.
theo von
Well, yeah, dude, when I was young, you could do anything you wanted to.
You know, people were, I don't know, just more fun.
Use your imagination more when I was young.
You had more fun.
joe rogan
How many kids do you see beaten when you were a kid?
People used to beat their kids in front of people.
unidentified
Oh, yeah.
theo von
Probably like at least 20, I bet.
joe rogan
Oh, yeah.
theo von
But people would fight in the street, beat their kids, yeah.
joe rogan
Yeah.
Yeah, you'd see people beat people up.
It'd be way more common.
But I guess it's maybe we've moved out of those areas, too.
theo von
That's true.
joe rogan
People back in those areas are like, bro, I'm on the front line.
Shit's still going down at the mall.
unidentified
That's right, dude.
theo von
Dude, yeah, we used to see people fight, man.
I saw this old man get thrown into a fire one time in a ditch fire.
People were burning leaves.
Threw them right in.
This guy was in his 80s, too, Mr. Polito.
joe rogan
Oh, my God.
Why'd they throw him in a ditch?
theo von
He was fighting a bus driver.
He was fighting our bus driver.
joe rogan
Whoa, and the bus driver threw him in a ditch?
theo von
Yeah, I don't know why.
joe rogan
Why was he swinging on the bus driver?
theo von
I don't know.
joe rogan
Whose fault was it?
theo von
Both of them.
unidentified
Both of them?
theo von
I think.
I mean, they were both adults.
I mean, look, man.
I'm not surprised they were doing it.
joe rogan
Oh.
They're questionable humans.
theo von
Yeah.
Yeah.
If you saw them, you wouldn't be shocked.
They were fist fighting.
joe rogan
Like, what do you do with people like that?
Once universal basic income rolls around and there's some stupid people that just ain't getting any better.
theo von
Basic needs met.
Okay, so then after that, after you do a couple years universal basic income, then what do you do?
joe rogan
Wolves in the woods.
theo von
Yeah.
joe rogan
Let wolves loose.
You gotta thin the herd.
theo von
That's what I'm saying, man.
joe rogan
Got some dude out there jerking off, thinking he's pretty cute, hanging out behind a bush.
He just turns and sees six wolves looking up.
And they just know what to do.
Take his ass out.
theo von
Well, you think a wolf would attack you while you were jerking off or no?
joe rogan
Fuck yeah.
You're all pink.
Everything's pink.
Pink ass, pink dick.
Looks delicious.
When you're wearing clothes, it's like, can I eat that?
I guess I can eat that.
I gotta get through all that fucking bullshit plywood t-shirt.
Once I get through that, I'll eat the fuck out of that dude.
But if they catch you out there with just all pink, oh yeah, they'll eat the fuck out of you.
theo von
Yeah.
Yeah, I hope I don't do anything bad like that and any of them see me.
You know, I don't want to have that kind of ending.
You get ended by an animal.
joe rogan
Well, listen, I'm going to say right now, I don't think that you're going to be jerking off in the woods and eating by a wolf.
I might be wrong.
theo von
Yeah.
joe rogan
But I would say that's not how you're going to go.
theo von
Thanks, man.
I like that.
joe rogan
I just don't see that in you, bro.
I see better things for you.
theo von
I like your attitude.
joe rogan
Get eaten by a pack of wolves.
Naked.
Your pecker in your hand.
Imagine if you were about to come and the first wolf bit your calf and you're like, look, they're going to get me anyway.
Let me just keep going.
theo von
Finish it off.
joe rogan
You're on the edge.
theo von
Oh, yeah.
joe rogan
And maybe the bite and the pain because you're about to come just makes you rocket.
unidentified
Oh, what a bust.
joe rogan
You bust like a fire hose.
theo von
And you get more than usual.
joe rogan
Yeah, and you're like, wow, at least I died with my biggest load ever.
Take that!
That's one thing you've always been disappointed by, right?
Is the sheer volume of your loads.
theo von
Well, it's not much if you look at it.
joe rogan
Take zinc and magnesium.
theo von
Really?
joe rogan
Yeah, allegedly.
unidentified
Egg whites.
theo von
I do have zinc at the house, actually.
joe rogan
Zinc's supposed to be good for raising testosterone.
theo von
Oh, I want that bus, bro.
I want that bus at the neighbors.
joe rogan
The more you save it up, too.
theo von
Oh, yeah.
joe rogan
You gather up more.
theo von
But I like to do that nocturnal.
I want to ride.
I want that dream bus that you used to get.
unidentified
If you want to ride, ride the tiger.
joe rogan
Super bust.
theo von
Yeah, bro.
Dude, I want that dream bust.
Remember when you would bust in a dream?
joe rogan
Those don't happen anymore.
theo von
But they can if you search for it, if you seek it out.
joe rogan
Yeah, but you have to not beat off for a long time to the point where your body's like, this dumb motherfucker can't even jerk off.
I'm just going to have to jerk off for him while he's unconscious.
theo von
Your brain fucking jerks you off while you're asleep, bro.
joe rogan
But do you think that you're learning things while you're dreaming?
Because some people think you learn things when you're dreaming.
theo von
I think that'll be one of the next hurdles that we get over where people are able to be able to take in information while they're asleep.
joe rogan
Well, this is what I mean.
Like they say, if you have a problem, something's bothering you, you should sleep on it.
And when you wake up in the morning, you'll have a clearer perspective.
theo von
I believe that.
joe rogan
Yeah, I think so too.
I think that's real, because I've done that before.
That seems to actually be a good strategy if you can go to sleep.
The problem is if something's really bothering you, like, damn, I've got to figure this out.
Like, you might stay up all night and be exhausted, and then you might not be able to sleep and think through it.
theo von
You've got to get a higher power to help you out, man.
joe rogan
That's where a higher power comes into place.
Do you think you see yourself ever going to church again?
theo von
Yeah, I would think so.
I think church is kind of evolving over our time and stuff like that.
joe rogan
Would you go to Justin Bieber's preacher?
theo von
Carl Lentz?
joe rogan
You know who he is?
theo von
Yeah.
unidentified
Whoa.
theo von
He texted me, actually.
unidentified
Whoa.
joe rogan
He's trying to groom you.
Trying to pull you in.
theo von
Is he a dark arch?
joe rogan
How low do you wear your shorts?
theo von
Huh?
Oh, I saw you guys making fun of his root.
joe rogan
Dick root!
theo von
Yeah, that was a little wild, huh?
joe rogan
So you know him?
theo von
I've never met him.
joe rogan
No, you just text each other back and forth.
theo von
Yeah, we communicate sometimes.
Yeah, that's that root.
joe rogan
Hashtag dick root.
theo von
And he...
Looks good.
Yeah, they're both pretty attractive, I think.
unidentified
He's got camo shorts.
joe rogan
Those camo shorts?
jamie vernon
Yeah.
theo von
But I've never met him.
But I would go to...
joe rogan
You just text each other.
theo von
Yeah.
joe rogan
Just try to meet you and you're like, not tonight, bro.
theo von
You think he's homoerotic?
joe rogan
No.
theo von
Oh.
No.
joe rogan
That's a weird way of putting it.
theo von
Oh.
joe rogan
I think you're homoerotic.
theo von
What?
unidentified
Bro, you're way gayer than me, bro.
theo von
You always...
Every time I'm here, you talk about jerking off the magical hat we almost wore.
unidentified
Is that the problem?
theo von
What about that?
joe rogan
Is that the problem?
Is it like you came in here with gay expectations?
theo von
No, I got nothing, dude.
I jerked off yesterday.
I'm not even planning on coming again for a couple days.
joe rogan
Do you have a time where if you've jerked off and it's been like four days, like, man, maybe I should do something.
theo von
Oh, I get that feeling inside of me.
It's like a vulture that wants to fly out of my fucking dick or my brain.
joe rogan
You don't want to be too sex-obsessed.
theo von
No.
joe rogan
There's a balance, right?
You don't want to beat off every day, but you don't want to not beat off either, because then it'll consume you.
theo von
But I think I'm going to start hunting that dream.
Dude, I want that fucking nocturnal bust.
Dude, I'm going to start a group.
It's good.
joe rogan
I'm hunting that dream.
theo von
The LNBs, bro.
There's late night busters, bro.
There's dreams.
joe rogan
Dude, how funny is that expression?
I'm hunting that dream.
unidentified
Yeah.
joe rogan
I want that nocturnal buster.
theo von
That's what I want.
joe rogan
Hunting the dream.
theo von
But dude, imagine you fucking are just...
joe rogan
Have you ever come and made dice playing noises?
Oh!
Have you?
theo von
That guy's a fucking mook, man.
joe rogan
A mook?
theo von
I never liked him.
Every time I've seen him at the comedy store, he's never been nice.
joe rogan
He's never been nice to you?
That doesn't make any sense.
theo von
I don't know why.
joe rogan
Have you said hi to him?
Have you had a conversation with him?
theo von
I feel like I've tried to engage with him.
One time he brought me up on stage and they told him my name a million times and he never got it.
It just got to the point where it felt like he was being rude, making fun.
joe rogan
He might just be having fun.
He's a good guy.
theo von
Is he?
joe rogan
Yeah, he's a good guy.
I'm a fan.
theo von
Maybe I need to see another side of him.
joe rogan
You probably just gotta get to know him, man.
You just gotta get to know him.
Dude, when I was a kid, I was a gigantic Dice Clay fan.
Remember when I first started meeting him at the store, I was like, I can't even believe he's here.
theo von
But once you got to know him as an adult, I mean, being a fan...
joe rogan
We've always been cool.
theo von
Yeah?
joe rogan
Yeah.
theo von
Maybe I just need to have a new experience with him.
joe rogan
Yeah, he's, you know, he just, he's dice.
He's crazy.
Like, half of his thing, like, if you go to his Instagram page, half of it is like a put-on.
He's always fucking around.
theo von
Oh, yeah.
joe rogan
He's always being funny.
theo von
Yeah, that's true.
joe rogan
But he gave me very good...
He's the reason why I started touring.
He gave me very good advice.
And I was, you know, I was like in the 90s, man.
He's like, you should go fucking tour.
He's like, you're funny.
He's like, you want to hang around here all the time.
theo von
Yeah.
joe rogan
And I was like, yeah, he's right.
I don't want to hang around here all the time.
Like, I should do clubs.
I should make a living.
And what he was basically saying was like...
Don't get roped into only working in Hollywood, doing television shows and stuff like that, because then these other people control your destiny.
You could tour.
And this is from him, obviously, coming out of...
He had the most insane, epic success of any comedian ever.
theo von
Yeah, he was a rocket ship.
joe rogan
He had sold out hundreds of arenas.
theo von
That's crazy.
joe rogan
Arenas, giant-ass places.
theo von
Oh, I remember when his DVD or whatever hit the neighborhood, and all the kids were watching it, and I wasn't even allowed to watch it.
joe rogan
So I thought when I was listening to him talk, I was thinking, oh yeah, of course.
Like, this guy probably made more money than anybody ever did on a sitcom, ever.
theo von
Oh yeah.
joe rogan
And he did it just doing whatever the fuck he wanted to do, and he was basically saying, hey, don't get wrapped up in this only.
You can tour.
You can make money.
I mean, even if I never made money the way he did, you could still make a living.
Whereas if you don't tour, and you just do sitcoms, or just work in television, especially if you work as a writer, that's the dark path.
The great stand-up comic that becomes a writer, they never tour and they never develop a crowd.
theo von
But does that happen?
joe rogan
Yes, it happens a lot!
theo von
But weren't they just supposed to be a writer then?
joe rogan
No, no, no, no, no, no.
They gave in to the writing.
They could have...
We know great comedians who mostly work as writers, and it doesn't make any sense when they don't want to.
They want to be a comic out there performing, and the level of their material is far better than the level of their notoriety.
theo von
I see what you're saying.
Yeah, that's very popular.
joe rogan
I always use Owen Smith as a perfect example.
Owen Smith, in my opinion, is one of the best comedians on the planet.
He's a killer.
That dude makes me cry.
theo von
Funny guy.
joe rogan
And he's so good.
His timing, his stage presence is...
His delivery, his material, the subject matter, it's excellent.
It's top shelf comedy.
theo von
Yeah.
joe rogan
But most people don't know who he is.
theo von
Right.
joe rogan
And that's because he's made a great living as a writer, but he's still...
He should, you know, he should be recognized as a comic as well.
theo von
Yeah.
joe rogan
That's how I look at it.
So basically what Dice was telling me back then was like, get out.
Go someplace.
Go do the road.
Do comedy out there.
Headline clubs.
theo von
Well, gratefully, yeah.
I mean, I'm glad he did that because if we wouldn't get you, you might not be the same comedian if he didn't say that.
joe rogan
Yeah, I'm sure.
And, uh, I don't know.
You know, it's easy, like, it's easy to just decide someone's an asshole or, you know, you have one interaction with someone, you want to shit on them.
I just think you should be, and I'm trying to do this myself, be very careful when you shit on somebody.
theo von
Yeah.
joe rogan
When is it, when is it valid and when is it just you looking for something to shit on?
theo von
Right.
joe rogan
Like, when are you showing no empathy?
theo von
Yeah.
joe rogan
You know, when, what is it?
theo von
No, I think, I mean, yeah, you're right.
I mean, I'm willing to have a new experience.
joe rogan
Too late.
You fucked up.
theo von
Fuck.
joe rogan
You said his name.
You said Mook.
It's over.
theo von
Oh, well, I don't care about that.
I mean...
joe rogan
He's going to get mad.
theo von
Well, he was an asshole to me, so it's okay if I... He just...
They kept...
He was on stage before me, so I was going to go up after him.
joe rogan
He was probably joking around, man.
theo von
Yeah, but at a certain point, it was just rude.
It went past that.
No, it was just like he kept not getting it.
At a certain point, to me, it was just rude.
joe rogan
I see.
Because you're probably a little bit anxious.
You're going on after him.
And then he's not saying your name right.
You feel like, oh, he doesn't know who I am.
So this is kind of disrespectful.
theo von
There could have been.
There could have been.
Yeah, I think that certainly could have been my part in it.
There could have been some ego in it.
joe rogan
I think he was 99.9% fucking around.
theo von
Yeah.
joe rogan
And he thought it was funny.
theo von
Yeah, he was.
joe rogan
He would do that if he knew you.
theo von
Yeah.
joe rogan
He'd be like, oh, who?
Bobby Lee.
theo von
Right.
joe rogan
He's alive again.
I mean, that's part of who he is.
theo von
Right.
Well, maybe I'll have an opportunity to get to know him better.
joe rogan
Him and Don Herrera hate each other.
theo von
They do?
joe rogan
I'm great friends with both of them.
theo von
Now, I loved watching him at Mitzi Shores when he performed at the Mitzi Shores reunion or death party.
But I remember I liked watching him there.
I mean, I think that he's a great comedian and stuff.
What is he like now, though?
I don't know.
joe rogan
Who would you have liked to have seen live that you never got a chance to see?
unidentified
Oh, Richard Pryor.
theo von
That would have been him.
joe rogan
I got to see him live when he was really old and sick, unfortunately.
theo von
I love him, man.
He's from near where my mother's from in Illinois.
joe rogan
Peoria in the house.
I at least got a chance to be in his presence and see him live.
theo von
Yeah, and he kind of had this head bob thing that was very...
joe rogan
You know who I think could come back and...
Murder stand-up right now.
theo von
Roseanne?
joe rogan
Eddie Murphy.
theo von
Yeah.
joe rogan
I think if Eddie Murphy came back right now, he would murder stand-up.
Murder it.
theo von
Somebody said that the other day.
They were thinking he might come back.
joe rogan
He did a thing one day where he was talking about Bill Cosby, about them taking awards away from Bill Cosby, and he did this Bill Cosby impression, and he did it.
Look at this.
What does that say?
What happened?
Pop-ups.
Motherfucker.
jamie vernon
He's coming back for that.
joe rogan
The movie.
theo von
Oh, really?
Is Arsenio in it, too?
I hope so.
joe rogan
He just had his tenth kid.
theo von
Wow.
joe rogan
Just shooting mad loads.
theo von
Now there's a guy who needs a birch tree in the yard.
jamie vernon
57 years old.
joe rogan
He's 57?
jamie vernon
Yeah.
joe rogan
Damn, it's amazing.
He's only six years older than me.
Dude.
Yeah, six years older than me.
theo von
That's amazing.
Eddie Murphy's?
joe rogan
He's been around forever.
jamie vernon
He's in a new movie coming out on Netflix.
joe rogan
Dude, he was killing it when he was like 18 years old.
He was on Saturday Night Live when he was like 18 or something.
You forget how young he was when Delirious rolled around.
unidentified
Yeah.
joe rogan
Like, good lord.
unidentified
He was probably 22 years old or something.
theo von
Would you...
I bet he can come pretty far.
How far do you think he can come, probably?
A foot?
unidentified
Ha ha ha!
joe rogan
We went over the world record one day.
theo von
Jim Carrey can come 30 feet, bro.
That guy looks like he's really blessed.
joe rogan
I bet there's a lot of dudes out there that have broken the world record in distance coming, and nobody wants to give them any credit for it.
Because it's like an impromptu thing.
You don't know.
theo von
I think you know.
joe rogan
You're so excited.
You pull out.
jamie vernon
Isn't that what Peter North was known for?
joe rogan
He was known for volume.
theo von
Oh yeah.
joe rogan
That's a crazy thing.
theo von
The big spitter.
joe rogan
When your loads are so hectic that you're known for them.
Like if you say big loads, you say Peter North.
Everybody knows.
Think about that.
theo von
Oh yeah.
joe rogan
But all the fucking substantial loads that all the porn stars have dumped on all those...
All those maidens all over the land.
And then one dude is known for the highest volume of comedy.
You gotta be known, known.
You know what I'm saying?
You gotta be known, known, known.
theo von
Right.
Time after time again, you gotta fucking bring that gravy boat, bro.
joe rogan
Yeah, you gotta be like...
You've got to be like the Kanye West of loads.
theo von
You have to be cumming and also probably look at your watch or your phone during it and you're still cumming when you look back at your dick.
joe rogan
You've got to be the Mike Tyson of loads.
unidentified
You've got to be the Michael Jackson of loads.
joe rogan
Like Michael Jackson.
Undeniable.
theo von
No, he had very little cum in here, my bad.
joe rogan
Probably zero.
But dancing prodigy, he's the Michael Jackson of dance.
theo von
But you don't cum much when you're doing all that.
joe rogan
What activities do you think you do where you come a lot?
Like the kind of people that like power lifters probably shoot giant loads, right?
theo von
I think you would think they do, but for their size and stuff, they're not doing that much.
joe rogan
Who do you think shoots the biggest loads?
theo von
Oh, I think a guy that's in space.
I think a guy that's on a cliff, like a cliff climber.
joe rogan
Yeah, but is that the biggest loads?
theo von
I mean, that guy's shooting some fucking...
joe rogan
Just because he has the balls to climb up like that?
theo von
He's busting some real spackle.
joe rogan
Maybe that's what it is.
He's got balls.
Those guys shoot bigger loads.
Like BMX jumpers, and they jump three times in the air and then land on a bike?
theo von
Yeah.
joe rogan
Maybe they have the biggest loads.
theo von
Also, guys who fake put a sign on their car when they don't pay a meter, like meters broken, and they just put that on their car, and if I can still park there, those dudes bust some loads, bro.
I think there's other things too.
joe rogan
Like pickpockets?
theo von
Oh, people that wear turtlenecks do not come very much or far.
joe rogan
No?
What is it about wanting to keep your neck warm that's not very manly?
theo von
It's just a bitch move.
unidentified
It's just the most French thing too.
theo von
And I don't care about the French, dude.
joe rogan
Wow, but have you been there or are you just like prejudiced?
unidentified
I've been there.
theo von
I'm probably prejudiced too.
joe rogan
Have you been to France?
theo von
Yeah.
joe rogan
Have you been to Montreal?
theo von
I've been to Montreal, yeah.
joe rogan
You didn't love the French?
theo von
I love the Canadians.
joe rogan
French Canadians.
theo von
Yeah, I'll take them.
joe rogan
You love Canadians, period.
theo von
I love Canadians, period.
joe rogan
But do you love French Canadians?
theo von
Yes.
Because they are Canadian.
But French, bro.
joe rogan
Not into French?
theo von
And nobody is.
joe rogan
They make great wine.
unidentified
Yeah.
joe rogan
That's not true.
People go to Paris every year.
theo von
Yeah, but they leave.
It's not the kind of place people are milling around, man.
joe rogan
I think people go there and they decide that it's better than America sometimes.
Didn't Johnny Depp move there?
theo von
Yeah.
joe rogan
Poor Johnny.
You know who else moved there?
Fuck.
The guy from Law& Order.
theo von
Mandy Patinkin?
No.
jamie vernon
Richard Belzer?
joe rogan
Richard Belzer.
Richard Belzer moved to France.
theo von
He met a woman probably then.
joe rogan
Oh, yeah.
theo von
I would think.
Oui, oui.
Free love.
Yeah.
joe rogan
Bread.
unidentified
Bread.
theo von
I bet you bust in France, bro.
Imagine the semen just cruising down the street in that city.
joe rogan
The roads are slippery.
theo von
I bet it's all scooters.
joe rogan
Cars going around corners sideways.
unidentified
The roads are slick with loads.
Welcome to France!
joe rogan
They're going sideways around the course.
theo von
Semen just everywhere through the air.
joe rogan
Those loads are flying out of the bushes.
DNA! Out of the fucking manhole covers.
That clown Pennywise.
theo von
Dude, this shit is getting gay, bro.
joe rogan
It's just very dick-oriented today.
I wouldn't say it's gay.
theo von
Well, it's that time of year.
It's spring.
People are refreshed.
unidentified
It's not spring.
joe rogan
It's the middle of the winter.
theo von
Yeah.
joe rogan
It's freezing cold out.
It's just January.
theo von
Whatever.
You guys aren't open-minded.
unidentified
It doesn't get more winter than January.
jamie vernon
It's not even a Groundhog's Day yet.
joe rogan
Why don't I just say it's August?
Why don't I just lie?
It's like it's August out.
Like, what?
It's spring.
theo von
I have the best calendars.
joe rogan
Dude, we just did three hours.
theo von
Did we?
joe rogan
It's 3.30.
theo von
Jesus Christ, bro.
This is the longest conversation I've ever been in my life.
joe rogan
No, we've done this before.
theo von
Not this much, man.
joe rogan
I think we did.
How long was the last one?
I think a lot of them are three hours.
theo von
I'm going to have to get on some pills or something to be able to go through this again.
joe rogan
Drink one of these nitros.
theo von
Really?
joe rogan
Caffeinated.
Yeah, they juice you up.
Pasta was fun.
theo von
Oh, it was fun?
jamie vernon
Actually, the last one was longer.
unidentified
Oh!
Really?
jamie vernon
15 minutes longer than we've gone so far.
theo von
Damn!
That fucking limited bust on this one, huh?
joe rogan
I think this is the right time to end it, though.
theo von
Yeah.
joe rogan
We did it.
unidentified
Thanks for having me.
joe rogan
My pleasure, brother.
Anytime.
You got a new podcast out with Brendan Schaub.
theo von
Yep, called The King and the Sting, and it comes out...
joe rogan
Oh, how'd you become the Rat King?
What is that?
theo von
He just made fun of me one time and called me a rat.
joe rogan
Oh, did you see that video of a bunch of rats connected together to pretend that they're a snake?
theo von
Oh, yeah.
joe rogan
Whitney Cummings sent it to me.
theo von
They do that.
That's trickery.
joe rogan
I found it on Twitter.
Have you seen that?
Yeah.
It's on my Twitter.
There's a bunch of rats that connected themselves and they're running together to pretend that they're a snake.
jamie vernon
Yeah.
theo von
That's a Rat King.
joe rogan
To confuse...
Well, Rat King is when they all get bundled up together and they get stuck.
theo von
And they get their tails twined up.
joe rogan
How the fuck does that ever happen?
Disgusting creatures.
theo von
Party.
joe rogan
Yeah, they die that way, too.
They find them all caked up and fucking trapped.
theo von
Fucking partying, bro.
It's spring break, dude.
It's burning, man.
joe rogan
That's Burning Man for rats.
Yeah.
Look at this.
Watch this.
Play this.
Look at this.
Those are all rats, all completely bundled up together to look like a snake.
So the mama rats in the front and all the baby rats stay connected to each other to pretend they're snakes so they avoid predators.
theo von
And if you and I saw that from far away, we'd think it was a snake.
joe rogan
100%.
theo von
Yeah.
joe rogan
How crazy is that?
theo von
That's amazing.
Mother Nature's amazing, man.
joe rogan
Mother Nature's a motherfucker.
theo von
Yeah.
We're limited time, I think.
Humans.
joe rogan
You think?
theo von
Oh, this is part time, bro.
There's no way they're letting us out here fuck around forever.
joe rogan
All those dumb motherfuckers could do is pretend to be a snake.
We could make snakes.
We could make robot snakes.
Shoot them to Mars out of our robot dick.
theo von
We can't beat an avalanche, though.
joe rogan
Ken, if you're not there.
Don't go near where it gets avalanchey.
theo von
Nice move, bro.
Nice move.
joe rogan
The King of the Sting.
Theo Vaughn on Instagram and Twitter.
theo von
Thank you, Joe, for having me.
joe rogan
Thank you, my brother.
Anytime, anytime.
And we'll see you tonight at the Comedy Store.
theo von
Later.
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