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Jan. 11, 2019 - The Joe Rogan Experience
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Joe Rogan Experience #1223 - Greg Fitzsimmons
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unidentified
That's it?
joe rogan
Wow.
A two count from young Jamie.
jamie vernon
Messing with the buttons and hit the other one.
joe rogan
Gregory.
How are you, fella?
greg fitzsimmons
Joe Rogan, always a pleasure to be back in the...
What I love is that you kept this studio the same as the old one because the vibe was perfect.
joe rogan
I tried to recreate it.
I felt like as long as we had the desk, we have the heart.
We have the heart of the studio.
The rest of it is just stuff.
greg fitzsimmons
And Jamie, the heart.
joe rogan
And Jamie.
We need...
There's something about, I really think that when you use a desk for a long time, there's something about desks.
Like, if you found out, like, Hunter S. Thompson's desks was for sale.
greg fitzsimmons
Yeah.
joe rogan
You'd be like, holy shit.
greg fitzsimmons
Fuck yeah.
joe rogan
I want to get my hands on that thing.
Like, that's got some ooze.
greg fitzsimmons
Right.
joe rogan
You know, he wrote on this?
unidentified
Yeah.
joe rogan
Holy shit.
greg fitzsimmons
Yeah, nice old, one of those old, like, railway station roll-top desks.
joe rogan
Yeah.
Oh, those are the best.
greg fitzsimmons
Yeah.
unidentified
I'm gonna protect my shit while I'm out so nobody reads my journal.
joe rogan
One of my all-time favorite photos of him was him typing in Big Sur, like sitting on this outside table, typing.
I think he's on the edge of a cliff or something like that in the background.
You see the water?
Yeah.
You know that photo, Jamie?
Yeah, that's it, right there.
greg fitzsimmons
Oh, look at that, with the pipe, yeah.
joe rogan
Dude, that is one of the most iconic writing photos of all time.
Hunter S. Thompson with hair with a typewriter in front of the water at Big Sur in probably like 1960-something.
greg fitzsimmons
And you know, his schedule.
Did you ever read his schedule, his daily schedule?
joe rogan
Not only did I read it...
greg fitzsimmons
You lived it.
joe rogan
I read it on air, and I might have read it on air with you.
greg fitzsimmons
Yeah, I think you did.
jamie vernon
It's a self-portrait.
greg fitzsimmons
How long?
jamie vernon
So he took the picture himself.
unidentified
Wow.
greg fitzsimmons
So this was in...
unidentified
No shit.
jamie vernon
I mean, it's what it's listed as.
joe rogan
This is in Big Sur.
That was when he was in, like, the early stages of his eruption.
That was, like, right around when he was writing Hell's Angels, probably.
jamie vernon
Yeah.
joe rogan
61. Yeah.
Yeah.
That motherfucker was unique.
greg fitzsimmons
Yeah.
joe rogan
Did you ever see his documentary?
greg fitzsimmons
No.
joe rogan
There's a couple of really good ones, but the one that was the mainstream one, what was that?
jamie vernon
Gonzo.
joe rogan
Yeah.
jamie vernon
Gonzo.
joe rogan
Yeah, it was called Gonzo.
And then there was another one that was made by BBC that's really good, too.
But, yeah, if you could get ahold of fucking Hemingway's desk...
greg fitzsimmons
Yeah.
unidentified
Hemingway maybe, like, it's worth too much.
joe rogan
Like, you wouldn't want to write on it.
greg fitzsimmons
Yeah, that's true.
joe rogan
You know, it's Hemingway's desk, like, I can't write on this fucking thing.
unidentified
Yeah.
joe rogan
If it was Hunter's desk, I'd totally write on it.
greg fitzsimmons
Well, first you scrape the excess coke off the top.
joe rogan
Just lick it.
greg fitzsimmons
Lick it off.
Wipe the jism from the underside of the table.
Get the vag sauce off the sides.
joe rogan
Yeah.
What about his typewriter?
How much do you think his typewriter was for?
Hemingway's house and hangouts preserved in Havana.
Wow.
So they preserved where he lived.
greg fitzsimmons
And I wonder if that's where he killed himself.
I think he was in Cuba when he killed himself.
joe rogan
Wow.
Yeah, man.
His style of writing and that whole bravado that went with him...
He was a different cat.
You thought of him as an aggressive male writer.
That's an odd thing, like Hemingway.
unidentified
He was aggressive.
joe rogan
Even Stephen King, for all his most horrific depictions of violence and gore and terror in his books, he's not thought of as...
This imposing physical thing.
greg fitzsimmons
Well, Hemingway was in the war.
joe rogan
Yeah.
greg fitzsimmons
You know?
joe rogan
Yeah.
unidentified
At his elderly age.
greg fitzsimmons
He was, uh...
He used to go...
Skiing in the winter in, I think it was Switzerland, and there was no chairlifts back then.
So you would fucking grab your 50-pound skis and walk up the side of the Alps for like a half a day to take one fucking run, and he would do that every day.
joe rogan
That must be amazing for you.
greg fitzsimmons
Yeah.
joe rogan
Goddamn.
The kind of exercise, like carrying skis uphill in the snow.
greg fitzsimmons
Yeah.
joe rogan
That's incredible exercise.
I bet they were jacked.
I bet those skiers from the olden days, they had to be like crazy athletes.
greg fitzsimmons
Yeah.
And the skis were long back then.
They were like twice as long as they are now.
joe rogan
When did anybody figure out a ski lift?
greg fitzsimmons
I don't know.
But, I mean, Hemingway would have been skiing in, what, the 1930s?
joe rogan
1927. Goddamn, dude.
greg fitzsimmons
Yeah.
joe rogan
They walk uphill and ski down.
You got to be dedicated.
greg fitzsimmons
How good are you ever going to get?
I mean, normally you do, in a day, maybe you do a dozen runs going up a couple miles.
And this one, you do one run.
That's it.
joe rogan
Yeah, you got to be dedicated.
Try getting a lazy person to do that.
Lazy people will ski.
You know what I mean?
Because you just kind of get into it and you can la-de-da-de-da.
You don't have to get crazy.
You can just ski.
I'm not good, so I ski like a lazy person.
I just like, don't fall, don't fall, don't fall, don't fall, didn't fall.
That's literally me skiing.
Because I've had knee surgery.
You've had three knee surgeries.
greg fitzsimmons
Oh, it's crazy.
It's crazy how quickly you can fuck up your body skiing.
I am so...
I've skied my whole life.
I've never had an injury.
And I ski hard.
unidentified
That's amazing.
greg fitzsimmons
I hit every fucking jump I can find.
joe rogan
You might be the only one that I know that, like, my friend Matt, he broke his ankle.
Ari broke his ankle.
And it happened in the course of, like, just a year.
greg fitzsimmons
Yeah.
joe rogan
Two friends at school, parents at school, blew out their ACLs.
unidentified
Shhh.
Ow!
greg fitzsimmons
Yeah.
joe rogan
You don't want to do that when you're 43. You don't.
greg fitzsimmons
Right?
That's the thing is you get to a certain age and the risk-reward because injuries take so much longer to heal.
joe rogan
Yeah.
greg fitzsimmons
And you have so much less time to live.
You just...
The math doesn't work anymore.
joe rogan
Yeah.
greg fitzsimmons
To ski.
joe rogan
You got to protect your knees if you can.
greg fitzsimmons
Yeah.
joe rogan
Your knees are so goddamn important.
Whenever people have like hurt knees...
And they keep working out.
I always cringe.
greg fitzsimmons
Yeah.
joe rogan
They're like, yeah, I'm not going to get it fixed.
I'm just going to rehab it.
I'm like, what are you talking about rehabbing?
You're not rehabbing.
You're just going to ignore the fact that you don't have an ACL. Yeah.
Like rehabbing.
greg fitzsimmons
Yeah.
joe rogan
You don't have the stability in your knee.
So there's a lot of guys who blow it out and they keep exercising and they just chew the inside of their knee apart.
greg fitzsimmons
Yeah.
Yeah, I got something going on in the inside of my left knee for two fucking months.
If I try to squat down, it kills.
There's like a tendon on the inside of the knee.
And so I'm going to start some physical therapy this week to try to figure it out.
Because I haven't exercised in fucking two months.
joe rogan
Just because of this one thing?
greg fitzsimmons
What am I going to do?
I do more cardio.
I don't really lift that much.
joe rogan
Have you ever thought about getting PRP or Regenikine or anything into it?
greg fitzsimmons
Oh, no.
What's that?
joe rogan
Well, PRP is platelet-rich plasma.
And what they do is they take your blood and there's some sort of a process they do.
And they separate it and then they take this platelet-rich plasma and they inject it into the wounded area and accelerates healing.
A lot of people have really good results with that.
And then there's this stuff called Regenikine that's like platelet-rich plasma, but it's apparently the next step up and what they do is they heat your blood.
And by heating it, it produces something.
For sure, if you're a doctor, I'm so sorry that I'm butchering this.
If you're a scientist.
But I think it produces some sort of anti-inflammatory serum because your blood is reacting to the heat.
Here it explains.
I've had this done and it was really effective.
greg fitzsimmons
Really?
joe rogan
Yeah, serum removed from the layer and cultured with glass beads so that white blood cells produce IRAP, which is a natural anti-inflammatory.
greg fitzsimmons
Glass beads going into your knee?
joe rogan
I don't understand what that's saying.
It says serum is removed from this layer and cultured with glass beads.
So it's removed after the platelet-rich plasma.
So they make the platelet-rich plasma.
They get the serum and then they culture it.
So the white blood cells produce this natural anti-inflammatory.
So they trick the white blood cells, I guess, maybe for lack of a better word.
Anyway, so this shit, it's really good for accelerating your recovery process for an injury.
A lot of people do it if they get surgery, and then they have some of this done, too.
It accelerates the healing.
greg fitzsimmons
Right.
joe rogan
Especially as you get older, it just provides you with...
It's actually natural, too.
You don't have to worry about it, but it provides you with this...
Just an extra boost of healing.
greg fitzsimmons
Yeah.
joe rogan
For weird neck injuries and back injuries people like it for.
unidentified
Right.
joe rogan
It's really good for lower back injuries.
A lot of it is inflammation, you know?
greg fitzsimmons
And so then they, is it local?
They shoot the blood into the area?
joe rogan
Yeah.
greg fitzsimmons
That's fair?
joe rogan
Yeah, it's freaky.
They put this little needle in you and then they screw the blood cap in there and it's like, now it's yellow.
It's like this yellow serum.
They squirt it into your back and you're like, whoa.
greg fitzsimmons
Damn.
joe rogan
It's weird.
Yeah, it's weird.
greg fitzsimmons
Think they would do my cock?
joe rogan
Yeah, they'll thicken it up for you.
greg fitzsimmons
But I want your blood in my cock.
joe rogan
Dude, I don't know if that's legal.
You can sell all kinds of things, right?
But you can't sell somebody your own blood.
greg fitzsimmons
Is that right?
joe rogan
I don't think so.
Do you think you could sell your own blood?
I mean, if you go to a blood bank, right?
jamie vernon
I'm sure there's a website you could probably do that.
greg fitzsimmons
Yeah.
joe rogan
Do you think so?
Oh, like a dark web type deal?
jamie vernon
Yeah, like that whole myth about selling people's kidneys.
greg fitzsimmons
I'm sure William Shatner would be doing it if he could.
joe rogan
No, no, if you could just, like, if someone was selling blood, like some, you know, there's a lot of those young, enterprising young gals.
On the internet that sell dirty socks.
Oh, yeah.
They sell toenail clips and shit.
I'm not kidding, man.
I'm not kidding.
Yeah.
greg fitzsimmons
Nothing goes to waste.
joe rogan
No, nothing goes.
Blood for sale.
India's illegal red market.
What is this, Jamie?
Oh, this is like...
They're doing it medically, though.
jamie vernon
In an alleyway.
joe rogan
Yeah, but that's how they do it there.
Man, that's crazy.
greg fitzsimmons
Is there still a ban on Haitian people and gay people giving blood?
joe rogan
That's a very good question.
Because they've gotten so close to stopping HIV that they can get it to the point where you can't even detect it.
greg fitzsimmons
Oh yeah.
joe rogan
Which is incredible.
greg fitzsimmons
Yeah.
And now in the third world, because my friend Peter Kurt, he lives in Zimbabwe.
No, Mozambique.
And he used to work for the health department in LA County.
He was the guy that was in charge of AIDS prevention.
And so he got a job...
Working over in Africa, and he said that you can now cure, not cure, but stabilize somebody with HIV with a pill that's like $60 a month or something like that.
Wow!
Yeah, they've got the price way down in Africa now.
joe rogan
That's incredible.
Why is there so many cases of HIV in Africa?
greg fitzsimmons
Um...
Well, I think when nutrition is poor, then there's more cutting and bleeding.
joe rogan
Because I had heard that a lot of what you see in terms of like, if they're talking about AIDS in Africa...
That it's very easy to put AIDS, like that category AIDS, that sometimes it's just people with damaged immune systems from a host of different diseases, that it's sometimes people aren't getting tested.
I always wondered, like, how many of those people are tested for HIV? Right, right.
What is...
But the fact that a guy like Magic Johnson has had it since...
Remember when you heard Magic Johnson?
I was in a panic.
I felt like it was a zombie movie.
It's happened.
It started.
And then people are just going to get it.
We're all going to die of AIDS. Our generation, when you and I were like 21, that's what everybody thought.
Everyone's going to die from AIDS. Now Magic Johnson looks great.
greg fitzsimmons
He's still alive.
joe rogan
Think of how many people have died who didn't have HIV and we're worried about this one thing.
greg fitzsimmons
I remember he wanted to play in the All-Star game and all the players were like, nah, I'm good.
It's going to be a slam dunk contest by the end of this.
joe rogan
Dude, Jesus Christ.
What did fucking Damon Wayans used to have a bit about Dennis Rodman?
Dude, it was about Dennis Rodman spitting in Magic Johnson's mouth to accelerate his symptoms.
He's like, if he wanted to try to get hardcore with them...
I'm a huge Damon Wayans fan, so I hope I'm not butchering his bit.
But I think that was...
I know that was his line.
unidentified
I'll spit in your mouth and accelerate your symptoms.
joe rogan
Dude, Damon Wayans, in my opinion, is like one of the most ignored greats.
greg fitzsimmons
I agree 100%.
I used to open for him sometimes.
And twice, I remember him coming in on a Thursday night.
It was Thursday to Sunday, Faneuil Hall Comedy Connection.
Thursday night he comes in, fucking yellow pads...
He goes up and just regurgitates a new hour and gets okay laughs for a new hour.
Friday night, he comes back tighter, tighter.
Sunday night, it's like he would fucking destroy with a new hour.
It was crazy.
joe rogan
He's really good, man.
greg fitzsimmons
Yeah.
joe rogan
He would just go up at the comedy store and literally let whatever thought came into his head.
And he would take long sets.
And he would take that stuff and he would turn that stuff into killer closing bits.
greg fitzsimmons
Yeah.
joe rogan
But for whatever reason, I think he just got into doing sitcoms more.
greg fitzsimmons
Right.
joe rogan
It was like, nah, fuck it.
greg fitzsimmons
Yeah.
joe rogan
You know?
unidentified
Yeah.
greg fitzsimmons
Yeah, that's an interesting family, man.
You know, they grew up in the projects in Manhattan.
joe rogan
Dude, talent in that family.
greg fitzsimmons
Yeah.
joe rogan
Kenan, Damon, Marlon, Sean.
I mean, Jesus Christ.
greg fitzsimmons
Yeah.
joe rogan
That's a lot of killers.
And isn't Damon's son doing stand-up too now?
greg fitzsimmons
Yeah.
unidentified
Dude.
greg fitzsimmons
Damon Jr., right?
joe rogan
What a crazy family.
greg fitzsimmons
I know.
joe rogan
You better be in show business in that family or you're doomed.
unidentified
Yeah!
greg fitzsimmons
I mean, think about that.
It's like...
joe rogan
Right?
If you want to compete with your brothers, Keenan Ivory Wayans, Damon Wayans, Kim Wayans, Sean Wayans, Marlon Wayans, Damian Dante Wayans, Damian Wayans Jr. That's all of them.
greg fitzsimmons
Yeah.
joe rogan
All of them in show business.
It's amazing.
greg fitzsimmons
Yep.
Good looking, too.
joe rogan
Keenan had a fucking great talk show.
greg fitzsimmons
Oh, yeah.
He had great writers.
joe rogan
He was really good as a talk show host.
greg fitzsimmons
Yeah, he was.
joe rogan
It's a talented fucking family, man.
greg fitzsimmons
Yep.
joe rogan
But for whatever reason, man, Damon did this one HBO special, and I think he called it his last stand.
And it was really good, man.
It was really good.
And at the end of it, he just throws the microphone down and says, like, this is the last time I'm doing stand-up.
greg fitzsimmons
Oh, no shit.
joe rogan
Yeah.
greg fitzsimmons
Wow.
joe rogan
He just, like, decided he was going to do movies.
That's it.
Last stand with a question mark.
Yeah.
He got, you know, he just got into other stuff.
But I'm telling you, man, when he was like, go up and above, go that photo, the one, like, that was the stage, the beret-wearing stage.
unidentified
Yeah.
joe rogan
Dude, I'm telling you, people forgot.
He's one of the best.
unidentified
Yeah.
joe rogan
One of the best ever.
Dude, he would murder.
That one particular special is just murderous.
He had a lot of great sets.
greg fitzsimmons
Yeah.
joe rogan
On television.
unidentified
Yeah.
joe rogan
But just like real original too.
Like one of those guys where you'd watch him and you'd go, God damn, why didn't I think of that?
greg fitzsimmons
Well, and his voices were so fucking good.
You know, a lot of times people do their girlfriend voice and it's just, it just sucks.
It just sounds like the guy raising his voice.
There's no like female intonation to it or anything.
And his kids' voices and his wife's girlfriend were just fucking amazing.
unidentified
Yeah.
joe rogan
Oh, and then of course.
greg fitzsimmons
It's like Richard Pryor.
Richard Pryor said that.
joe rogan
I mean, he had so many characters in Living Color.
How about Handyman?
You could never do that today.
Yeah, that's right.
You could never do that today.
greg fitzsimmons
A homeless guy?
joe rogan
Dude, that's another show.
In Living Color is another show that people forget.
They forget how good it was.
unidentified
Yeah.
joe rogan
Yeah, there he is.
There's Handyman.
greg fitzsimmons
They don't even show reruns of that show, do they?
They're afraid.
joe rogan
You can't show reruns of Handyman.
unidentified
Yeah.
joe rogan
And I remember when it was on TV, man.
No one could stop saying, homie, don't play that.
Everybody would say that.
Everybody was like, homie, don't play that.
Like, every kid would say that.
greg fitzsimmons
Yeah.
joe rogan
Because homie the clown.
Homie, don't play that.
People forgot.
unidentified
People fucking forgot about homie the clown.
joe rogan
They should come back, Netflix, please throw some money at getting in living color back on the air.
greg fitzsimmons
No, they tried to do it.
They just tried to do it.
And it all fell apart.
joe rogan
What happened?
greg fitzsimmons
I don't know.
They had big money.
And I don't know if it was going to be the original cast.
I might have been part of the original cast.
joe rogan
I bet what happened was Jennifer Lopez didn't want to be a fly girl.
greg fitzsimmons
Yeah, right.
joe rogan
She's like, no.
unidentified
No.
greg fitzsimmons
She should jump on that shit.
That would be so cool.
joe rogan
Can you imagine if she jumped back in and was a fly girl again?
I mean, how much time would it take her?
Not that much time.
greg fitzsimmons
No, she's there.
She's there.
joe rogan
I mean, she probably could dance in her sleep, right?
greg fitzsimmons
Yep.
Damn.
unidentified
I would love that.
joe rogan
She's too big to be a fly girl.
unidentified
Yeah, but...
greg fitzsimmons
I wonder who else was a flagger.
Any other famous ones?
joe rogan
Dude, that show was so good.
I remember watching it.
I was playing pool in Yonkers, New York.
And I looked up at this TV set, and it was Jim Carrey doing the Fire Marshal Bill.
I was like, what the fuck is going on?
This guy's got a burnt up face.
That's exactly right.
Rosie Perez was the choreographer for the first four seasons.
unidentified
Wow.
joe rogan
You know, Rosie Perez is a giant boxing fan.
greg fitzsimmons
Oh, yeah?
joe rogan
Huge, giant boxing fan.
greg fitzsimmons
Huh.
joe rogan
Yeah.
She's like a boxing expert.
Not like an expert, like she could train fighters, but people ask her questions about boxing.
She's a real enthusiast.
That's a better term instead of an expert.
I mean, maybe she is an expert.
I don't know.
greg fitzsimmons
Huh.
joe rogan
But she is always around boxing.
I think it's so...
Because you always think of her as having that...
Cute voice and all those comedies.
To see her at boxing matches and really be into it.
greg fitzsimmons
It's like, wow.
joe rogan
It's cool.
greg fitzsimmons
And Jim Carrey, I mean, Jesus Christ, he would do the convenience store security guy, and he was just so big.
joe rogan
So big.
greg fitzsimmons
So different than, like, I mean, you have to go back to Jerry Lewis to think about somebody doing physical comedy that well.
joe rogan
Yeah, he was a 10. Like, his energy and everything was, like, the fucking Ace Ventura movie.
greg fitzsimmons
Yeah.
joe rogan
Like, that movie was just all performance.
unidentified
Yeah.
joe rogan
Like, what is this one?
unidentified
Yeah.
greg fitzsimmons
What is this?
joe rogan
Vera DeMilo?
Dude, that fucking show was so good.
greg fitzsimmons
Yeah.
joe rogan
People forgot.
greg fitzsimmons
Yeah.
joe rogan
Yeah, there's Fire Marshal Bill.
So I was in this pool hall and I looked up and I'm like, what the fuck is that?
And they're like, that's Fire Marshal Bill.
That's what it is.
He came in like that.
I was like, that is the creepiest shit I've ever seen.
I can't believe they have a character like this.
It was so over the top.
greg fitzsimmons
Do you think Jim Carrey or maybe one of the Waynes brothers has bought up the rights for reruns because they don't want that...
joe rogan
Blowback?
greg fitzsimmons
Yeah.
joe rogan
No, it's a different era.
You have to accept it's a different era.
People are different.
Look, people are changing, and it's a really interesting, obvious sign that things that were super acceptable, and when was this?
In Living Color, I want to say it was like 92?
90 to 94. 90 to 94. Yeah, so that...
The way you could do certain bits and what you'd get away with and put on television was just different.
So I think that's probably one of the least understood things that's happening with us, with social media, is this rapid evolution of what's acceptable and not acceptable anymore.
And it's changing very quickly in terms of subjects, in terms of the way you approach things, in terms of obvious bigotry or obvious bias.
It's all getting very highlighted.
greg fitzsimmons
Well, I think the big question is whether or not you see an artist as somebody who's taking their inner vision and putting it out, and you go for the ride or you don't.
Or is it, are we supposed to be representing society in our stand-up?
Or is it all supposed to be fair, balanced representations of different ethnic groups and genders?
You know, and it's like...
When did it all have to become a morality tale?
When did every depiction of every race have to be fair?
joe rogan
Yeah.
greg fitzsimmons
Can't you have an asshole who's black?
Can't you have a killer who's gay without it becoming a depiction of that entire subgroup?
joe rogan
Yeah, it's like, a real problem is that prejudice does exist.
So when it does exist, you kind of look for it in things and you say, hey, this has the characteristics of prejudice.
I see this here.
I see what you're doing here.
I think this is prejudice.
We say, no, no, no, this is making fun of Puerto Rican men.
This is not prejudice.
This is an account of real occurrences that I've turned into humor.
The flamboyant masculinity of Puerto Rican men.
In New York, if you thought of a type of Latino, sort of the bravado, the music, the food, everything spicy.
If you can't make fun of that, come on.
greg fitzsimmons
I know.
Colin Quinn does a whole thing about how...
joe rogan
It doesn't have to be racist, right?
greg fitzsimmons
Puerto Ricans are never inside or outside.
They're always both.
Like, there's always a window open and people on the inside and outside are talking.
The car door is always open.
They're half in the car.
They're half...
unidentified
Right.
joe rogan
This isn't racist.
This is...
greg fitzsimmons
Observation.
Can I make an observation?
Can I tell you that yesterday, about twice a week, I go to this Japanese market in Mar Vista, and they've got all different kinds of, you know, you can get sushi, tempura, whatever.
The parking lot for this place, because 80% of the people there are Asian, film it and put it on a fucking television channel.
It is just people...
joe rogan
Why don't you produce it?
greg fitzsimmons
I could announce it like I was A.J. Foyt.
joe rogan
Dude, you're an Emmy Award winning writer.
You could actually do something like that.
You're like a legit writer.
You could totally produce that.
greg fitzsimmons
Can you imagine announcing it like NASCAR? It's just people not getting how to get out of a parking spot without taking 8K turns.
And people on the wrong side of the street and backing up without looking over their shoulders.
And they're all Asian and it's fucking hilarious.
I didn't tell them to do it.
I didn't say it was wrong.
But it's happening.
joe rogan
Yeah, they've explained it, why it's a stereotype, but also why Asian people would be more likely to walk straight.
If you go to China, or if you go to any of those Asian countries, when people walk straight at each other, they all kind of have this way of touching.
There's so many people, they're just grinding past each other.
greg fitzsimmons
Really?
joe rogan
Yeah, yeah, yeah.
So, when you're in China in particular, people are, like, indifferent to bumping into you.
It doesn't bother them at all.
They just bump into you.
Like, if you're in the aisle of a plane, they just bump into you.
greg fitzsimmons
Yeah.
joe rogan
Like, they'll do it to little kids.
Just walk right through you.
greg fitzsimmons
Right.
joe rogan
It's just, that's how they do it.
It's not rude.
greg fitzsimmons
It's just culturally different because it's more crowded.
joe rogan
Why can't you comment on that?
Why couldn't you comment on that if that's a real thing?
Because that is a real thing.
They do do that.
They also do a lot of great stuff.
It's a negative judgment on the entire race because they have this one characteristic.
But to ignore that one characteristic seems crazy.
It's like, why can't I talk about something?
It's not mean.
I'm not a bad person to talk about a real thing that you see and I see.
Like, what is that?
greg fitzsimmons
I get booed on stage sometimes now.
That never used to happen.
joe rogan
For what?
What do you say?
greg fitzsimmons
I did a joke.
joe rogan
We don't have to say the joke, but just like...
greg fitzsimmons
I'll say it.
I don't care because I don't think it's offensive.
But this person did.
And it was, you know, I go, oh, it's Girl Scout cookie season.
Those little whores are out there popping up their tables wherever you are selling those stale, shitty, overpriced cookies.
But you buy them because it makes you feel good, like you're a good person, you know?
And then you walk through the parking lot and some black kid comes up with a box of Snickers going, hey, will you support my basketball team?
And you're like, that's a fucking scam.
Guy goes, boo!
They're not all...
I'm like...
benjamin jaffe
That's not what we're saying, stupid.
greg fitzsimmons
Yeah.
joe rogan
You're doing a character.
greg fitzsimmons
I'm commenting on a very real thing.
My entire life, I have bought Girl Scout cookies and I have not always bought that fucking Snickers bar in the subway or the...
Sometimes I do.
joe rogan
Yeah, the Girl Scout cookie is universally accepted.
greg fitzsimmons
Yeah.
joe rogan
Right?
But they only have like, the ones that I like are the ones, it's like a coconut one.
greg fitzsimmons
That's the one I like.
joe rogan
Chocolate on it.
greg fitzsimmons
Yeah.
joe rogan
You know that one?
greg fitzsimmons
Little caramel.
joe rogan
That one's pretty goddamn legit.
What was that one called?
greg fitzsimmons
The muff.
joe rogan
But then there's also, like, there's steps away from Girl Scout cookies where you don't have to participate.
Like, when kids come over with chocolate or candy.
Like, nah, thanks.
I'm good.
I don't eat that stuff.
Like, you kind of have to buy Girl Scout cookies.
You want to support the Girl Scouts.
greg fitzsimmons
Yeah, but you know it's such a scam?
All that money goes to the manufacturer.
Apparently the Girl Scouts make, like, 20% of the cookie money.
joe rogan
Really?
greg fitzsimmons
Yeah, they're getting fucked.
Girl Scouts are getting fucked.
unidentified
Of course!
joe rogan
Someone came in, some ruthless man probably.
jamie vernon
Samoa.
joe rogan
Samoa, that's exactly what it is.
Those are the shit.
unidentified
Yeah.
joe rogan
With milk?
With a cold glass of milk?
unidentified
Yeah.
joe rogan
Dunk them?
greg fitzsimmons
Yep.
joe rogan
Fuck.
greg fitzsimmons
Yeah, it almost tastes like meat.
joe rogan
Oh, look at that thing.
Look at it.
With its chocolatey, coconutty goodness.
Why do they have to be so bad for you?
greg fitzsimmons
When I was working on a TV show, one of the producers had a daughter who was in the Girl Scouts, and I guess you win contests if you sell the most cookie boxes.
So when the audience would stream out after the show, it was a daily show, and the audience would stream out, and the girl had a table set up to sell her cookies, and she was selling a hundred boxes a day.
And for every day, she was there.
Fucking won that contest.
joe rogan
Damn.
greg fitzsimmons
And they would have the audience warm-up guy, like, plug it during the show.
Like, after the show, like a comedian selling his CDs.
After the show, you can buy some Girl Scout cookies on the way out.
And all these fat people from the Midwest are like, Cookies!
joe rogan
Like Marie Callender's, they just have pie.
greg fitzsimmons
Just pie.
joe rogan
Just pie.
greg fitzsimmons
Yep.
Not even good pie.
It's good, but it's not great considering it's all they do.
joe rogan
I should have eaten there.
I don't think I've ever eaten there.
Maybe I ate at one.
I don't think I had their pie.
That seems a weird thing.
Like, I'm selling pies.
They'd be like, good luck.
Good luck selling pies.
You're gonna go broke.
But they're everywhere.
greg fitzsimmons
We know you have an oven.
joe rogan
There's a bunch of those.
greg fitzsimmons
We know you have flour.
joe rogan
Yeah.
greg fitzsimmons
Branch out a little bit.
joe rogan
Like, who the fuck gets famous for selling pies?
Like, how genius is that company?
greg fitzsimmons
Entman's.
Remember Entman's?
joe rogan
Entman's, yeah.
greg fitzsimmons
But then they broke out.
They started doing cakes and cookies, too.
But they did just pies for a long time.
joe rogan
Dude, they used to have this...
This...
God damn it.
This pastry.
I'm trying to think of what the hell it was.
But it had, like...
Like...
Hard sugar on the outside of it.
unidentified
Yeah.
joe rogan
And then it had some sort of creamy sweet stuff on the inside of it.
unidentified
Yeah.
joe rogan
Holy shit was it good.
greg fitzsimmons
Yeah.
joe rogan
God damn it.
greg fitzsimmons
We lived off that shit.
We had Edmonds every night.
They had one that had like a chocolate filling in it.
joe rogan
What was that one?
greg fitzsimmons
And it was powdered outside.
joe rogan
Cheese filled crumb.
It might have been that.
greg fitzsimmons
They went out of business and then they saved them.
joe rogan
Oh, that was the cheese one.
That was a good one too.
I remember the cheese filled crumb.
Yeah.
They had some ridiculously delicious shit.
greg fitzsimmons
Yeah, what are the other big ones?
joe rogan
You know, I decided to fight in a tournament once because I had a crazy sugar high from Dunkin' Donuts.
I'd hurt myself.
I'd hurt something in my crotch and I couldn't work out for like a week.
I pulled some sort of a muscle.
There was a big tournament that was coming up.
And all the guys that I competed with were going to this tournament.
I was like, I had just fought like a week before.
I was like, I don't think I can do it.
I'm like, this doesn't feel right.
I'm just going to take the whole week off.
So I decided I'm just going to take off, let this thing heal.
And so delivering my newspapers.
And I go to Dunkin' Donuts and I got this powdered, lemon-filled donut.
I got one of those and I got a Boston cream donut.
And I got one of those.
And I ate like three donuts because I'd be exhausted, tired, drinking coffee, delivering fucking newspapers for three hours.
And I was so jacked on sugar and coffee that I said, fuck it, I want to fight.
And so I drove into town like right before everybody was leaving.
They're like, why are you here?
unidentified
I said, I'm going to fight anyway, man.
greg fitzsimmons
Like Beavis and Butthead.
joe rogan
I won.
I won the tournament.
It was a giant tournament.
For me, it was big.
It was the American Open.
It was a big deal.
greg fitzsimmons
Wow.
joe rogan
Yeah.
I wasn't going to do it.
I got jacked up on sugar and made a rash decision.
greg fitzsimmons
I can see you winning the first match, but then you crash, and you gotta keep fighting.
joe rogan
No, it worked out somehow or another.
I guess I ate when I got there, too.
But also, the week off, I'd never done that, like taking a week off.
Sometimes when you do something like that, where if you exercise too much, you're really always in a state of recovery.
greg fitzsimmons
Yeah.
joe rogan
And your body doesn't get a chance to fully charge back up again.
So at the time, I was probably 19, and I was going hard every day, every day that I could.
So I'd never really taken a week off.
So taking a week off and just being like, wow, this is gross.
I did take a week off when I started getting laid.
greg fitzsimmons
Yeah.
joe rogan
That is one thing that happened.
greg fitzsimmons
The first time you got laid?
joe rogan
Yeah.
When I first started getting laid, I took a long time off when I got yelled at.
greg fitzsimmons
Yeah.
joe rogan
I got yelled at.
I wasn't doing any training.
I came back all tan and shit.
greg fitzsimmons
all you did was fuck that That's a workout.
At that age, that's a workout.
You know, those weren't 20-minute sessions.
joe rogan
It's weird how your body changes from no urge to fuck to, like, fucking is your whole life.
unidentified
Like, when you're 18 years old, it's your whole life.
joe rogan
Like, you found the craziest drug ever.
And, like, two years ago, it wasn't in your life.
And then all of a sudden, it's in your life.
And all of a sudden you're having sex.
And you're like, I can't believe this!
greg fitzsimmons
And you can't believe that women are letting you do it because for years they were stopping you and now they're initiating it.
joe rogan
Yes.
You can't believe they want it.
You actually want me to fuck you.
This is what you like?
greg fitzsimmons
Yeah.
joe rogan
Okay.
Feels wrong.
greg fitzsimmons
But if you insist.
joe rogan
Feels wrong that you like it.
greg fitzsimmons
Isn't that a weird mentality that we think it's wrong that they like it?
Is that a Christian thing?
joe rogan
It's so crazy!
I think it has to do with initially, if you read Sex at Dawn, he's got a really interesting series of thoughts on the origins of sexual behavior and why we all sort of have adopted this one thing now. he's got a really interesting series of thoughts on the What do you think?
Let me ask you.
greg fitzsimmons
I think it's Christian.
I know it is for me.
I got a lot of shame about all that stuff.
joe rogan
I think it has to do with people getting pregnant, too.
greg fitzsimmons
Yeah.
joe rogan
I think it had to do with it was too easy for a girl to get pregnant and And if a girl got pregnant back when people were fucking just barely making it out of the caves, it was either really good because you had food or it was a real burden because you had to take care of this baby now.
Now you're not going to be gathering food for us.
I think there was a lot of that going on.
So if you were going to be with a person and you decided to make babies, you've got to be sure that this person is going to be there and take care of everything and you're all set up.
So you can't just be banging a bunch of guys on the side and having kids with everybody, then who's gonna raise your kids?
This guy's gonna come over and talk to his kid, and he's gonna come over and talk to his kid.
greg fitzsimmons
Yeah.
joe rogan
That becomes a problem.
unidentified
Right.
greg fitzsimmons
And the amazing thing is that having kids back then, for guys, the reason why guys stuck around was, you know, we have 401ks and IRA accounts.
Back then, it's like, when you couldn't gather anymore, you were at the mercy of charity.
And so if you had a lot of kids, you had a chance of being able to actually live into your old age.
joe rogan
Yeah.
Yeah, they would take care of you.
Yeah.
It's also interesting, too, because there was so much infant mortality back then.
That there was a lot of places where there's real good evidence that they had fertility cults.
Like they were trying to figure out ways to get pregnant more and easier.
unidentified
Really?
joe rogan
They're just trying to have a bunch of kids.
Yeah, because kids were...
You know, kids died a lot back then.
greg fitzsimmons
Yeah.
joe rogan
They died from injury and sickness, and a lot of people died from sickness.
You know, no vaccines.
greg fitzsimmons
Right.
joe rogan
When you're just at the mercy.
And then also, it's the beginning of agriculture.
So all these diseases are emerging that we don't have immune systems for because they're being...
They're jumping from pigs to people.
They're jumping from chickens and birds to people.
That's where the source of most of these pandemic diseases come from.
It comes from large-scale agriculture.
Those funky pigs all tucked together in these little cages.
That doesn't come for free.
Some demons are being brewed in that mix.
Oh, yeah.
What was the source of the Spanish flu, which I think...
It was the most deadly epidemic in U.S. history.
greg fitzsimmons
Oh, is that right?
It was international, too, wasn't it?
joe rogan
Yeah, it was international, for sure.
I think, for sure, it was the most deadly epidemic in the U.S. Yeah.
But I don't think it came from Spain.
I want to say it came from somewhere around Virginia.
Is that bullshit?
This is going to take time.
greg fitzsimmons
Probably New Jersey.
joe rogan
I feel like it came from some sort of farm situation.
greg fitzsimmons
Yeah.
joe rogan
I don't know why.
I feel like I'm guessing that.
greg fitzsimmons
I'm surprised there's not more of that now, because you see some of these pig farms, and they have lakes.
There are lakes of waste.
joe rogan
Have you seen the drone footage?
Is that what we're talking about?
greg fitzsimmons
No.
joe rogan
Oh, my God.
Some guy flew it.
You know, because they have these ag-gag laws, which apparently one of them just got shot down.
Somebody sent me an email.
Maybe it was Idaho or Iowa, one of those places, one of those I-states, that the ag-gag laws got shut down.
The ag-gag laws are, say if you were working in a slaughterhouse and you saw horrific conditions, you got your cell phone out, you filmed it, you could get prosecuted.
You would go to jail.
You could be sued.
greg fitzsimmons
Because of Food, Inc.
and all those documentaries that came out.
joe rogan
Well, I think those ag-gag laws existed as soon as they figured out that people could film things.
greg fitzsimmons
Yeah.
joe rogan
You know, because a few people released videos of her.
And look, those ag-gag laws kept people from talking about a lot of creepy shit like this video.
greg fitzsimmons
Yeah.
joe rogan
If you see this video, this guy decided, since no one's going to give him access to film the place openly, he's going to fly over it.
So he flew over it with a drone.
jamie vernon
So this is the Spanish flu thing.
joe rogan
Okay.
For many years, medical historians and epidemiologists hypothesized that the outbreak could have started in a British army base in Etaples, France, or at Fort Riley in Kansas, where the first American cases of the new strain of flu were recorded in March of 1918. More recently, experts have proposed a third hypothesis.
The Spanish flu originated somewhere in northern China in late 1917 and swiftly moved to Eastern Europe Within 140,000 Chinese laborers and the French and British governments recruited to perform manual labor to free up the troops for wartime duty.
Wow.
greg fitzsimmons
Yeah, I think more people died of that than they died in World War I. I think so.
jamie vernon
50 million people were killed because of this.
greg fitzsimmons
Damn!
unidentified
Whoa!
greg fitzsimmons
Just think about corpse disposal of 50 million people.
joe rogan
Look at this.
It says, claiming more lives in a single year than either the First World War or the four-year-long Black Death bubonic plague outbreak that swept Europe and Asia in the Middle Ages.
And this is one that, for whatever reason, people talk about the plague.
They talk about...
The bubonic plague, but no one talks about the Spanish flu.
That's a rare...
It doesn't get brought up that often.
If you see this number, this number of people dying, 50 million people in a year.
In a year, man.
greg fitzsimmons
People talk about how bad the world is right now, but that's not what they're saying.
joe rogan
They're saying it killed more lives in a single year than either the First World War or the four-year-long black death.
jamie vernon
It may have killed, and one-third of the population was sick with it, at least.
They didn't all die.
joe rogan
Goddamn.
greg fitzsimmons
I mean, people think that the world is in such bad shape.
We don't have plagues.
You know, the average poverty rate in the world has gone up for like the last 10 years.
There's less poverty, there's less starvation, there's more education.
You know, there's a lot of good shit going on too, but just think about that.
We haven't had a world war in, what, 70 years?
joe rogan
Yeah.
Yeah, it's been quite a while.
greg fitzsimmons
Not to diminish the wars that are happening now, but something that really affected the entire population.
joe rogan
Don't you always feel like, even since high school, that it's always been around the corner?
Yeah.
When we were in high school, it was the big fear that we were going to go to war with the Russians.
greg fitzsimmons
Do you remember going into the coat room and putting your head between your knees?
Did you have to do that?
joe rogan
I don't think we did that.
greg fitzsimmons
We used to do those.
joe rogan
We did the get under the desk drill, which was hilarious.
Get out of the desk.
It's so stupid.
Like, bitch, this is a nuclear war.
Dude, they used to tell you.
You're gonna get under your desk.
As if they had some way to alleviate our stress.
unidentified
Yeah, I know.
joe rogan
By pretending.
greg fitzsimmons
Right.
joe rogan
If we get under the desk.
greg fitzsimmons
They want to give you an answer.
joe rogan
Yeah.
Yeah, nobody knew what the fuck to do, so they just made up some nonsense.
Just get under your desk.
unidentified
Duck and cover.
joe rogan
Nuclear war.
Duck and cover.
Nuclear war.
greg fitzsimmons
That linoleum is going to save your life.
joe rogan
Yeah, look at this.
This is the drill.
All these little kids underneath their tables.
What a fucked up thing to put in a kid's head, man.
greg fitzsimmons
Yeah.
joe rogan
Just stop and think about how close we were to doing something so stupid that this could have become a reality and how now think about how this is a reality in certain parts of the world.
In our place, it's not.
But in other places, it is.
And that's their life.
I mean, especially when it comes to things like drone warfare, that freaks me out.
I know it's very effective at shooting terrorists.
I know it is.
I know it's excellent.
It's also super effective at killing civilians.
Super effective.
greg fitzsimmons
Yeah, and there's something about, when you think about how we're being perceived in the rest of the world, there's something about not even being present for the accidental killing that makes it just, you know, twice as bad.
joe rogan
It just seems weird, and apparently it gives them pretty severe PTSD. Yeah.
You know, I'm laughing because I'm, like, thinking, like, that's so crazy.
Like, they don't even have to be there, and they're getting PTSD. Like, just the fact that they're doing it from a remote location.
greg fitzsimmons
Oh, yeah, I heard that.
joe rogan
Yeah, the pilots are freaking—some of them.
Yeah.
By the way, this is just what I'm reading.
It might not even be true.
greg fitzsimmons
No, I read that, too.
joe rogan
But I would imagine that would kind of fuck with your head.
greg fitzsimmons
Yeah, the first couple times would be fun.
It'd be like a video game.
And then it would start to sink in when you heard the reports later.
joe rogan
Yeah, you'd have to so detach yourself from it that it would be like this growing thing in the back of your mind.
greg fitzsimmons
Yeah.
joe rogan
You're just launching missiles into apartment buildings.
greg fitzsimmons
All right.
joe rogan
And they're telling you it's okay.
Everybody says it's okay.
It's what you're supposed to do.
When I talked to this gentleman that I know that was in the CIA, he said that all those decisions are done by lawyers.
greg fitzsimmons
Oh, really?
unidentified
Yeah.
joe rogan
Whether or not they do it or not do it, because at the end of the day, lawyers are deciding whether or not it's likely to be successful, what's the legal ramifications.
He goes, when you're talking about that kind of stuff, he's like, seriously, a lot of it's decided by lawyers.
greg fitzsimmons
I'm like, whoa!
Because they want to know if you corroborated the citing.
joe rogan
Yeah, yeah.
And they want to make sure that all the ducks are in order.
greg fitzsimmons
Yeah.
joe rogan
Which, I mean, is that better or is that worse?
I mean, is it better to just leave it to the generals to decide?
unidentified
Yeah.
joe rogan
You know, you get this cartoonish impression of what that would be like, some general, like the fucking guy from Avatar.
We're going to go down there.
We're going to fuck everybody up.
That's what everybody's worried about, right?
The cartoonish, out-of-control, murderous soldier, right?
greg fitzsimmons
Yeah, what was the Kubrick movie?
joe rogan
Oh, Full Metal Jacket.
greg fitzsimmons
No, the one with the Peter Sellers was in it, and it was about how I something the nuclear bomb.
joe rogan
Oh, yes.
Dr. Strangelove.
greg fitzsimmons
Yeah, like the general in that.
joe rogan
Yes.
Yeah, they're always like cartoonish.
greg fitzsimmons
Yeah.
joe rogan
Man, you better hope guys like that are on your side.
Dr. Strangelove, that was a great movie, man.
It's so weird to watch it today.
greg fitzsimmons
Yeah.
joe rogan
I watched it a few years back.
greg fitzsimmons
Did you really?
joe rogan
Yeah, like maybe four or five years back I watched it.
And I was like, wow, it's so wild to watch.
These little captured moments in time where you could see that people were different then.
greg fitzsimmons
Yeah.
joe rogan
Like old movies, when you watch old movies, you know what the biggest indication that something's different is?
Women didn't work out then.
greg fitzsimmons
Yeah.
joe rogan
They weren't, like, fit.
Like, we're used to seeing a lot of actresses that are on TV and then in movies.
They all do, like, CrossFit or something.
They're all working out.
They're all taking gymnastics or something.
They're doing spin classes, and they have trainers, and they're doing these box jumps and shit.
Like, girls are built now.
It's a different thing.
If you go look at, like, King Kong, look at, like, Fay Wray and King Kong.
greg fitzsimmons
They're just soft.
joe rogan
They just...
They're not even picking up their groceries.
They're built different.
greg fitzsimmons
Yeah, and they don't last.
joe rogan
If they didn't do manual labor, they don't last.
Some of them do.
When they do, it's a shock.
Like Raquel Welch, like deep into her 60s.
Like, Jesus!
She's still hot!
greg fitzsimmons
Sophia Loren right to the end.
joe rogan
Oh, Jesus!
Yeah.
It's a few of them that were so potent that their spell lasted their entire existence.
jamie vernon
Did this start with the Jane Fonda workout stuff?
greg fitzsimmons
Oh, yeah.
joe rogan
Jane Fonda, back in the day with the doggy thing.
greg fitzsimmons
What was that, like 1977?
jamie vernon
Let's get physical!
joe rogan
I want to get physical!
greg fitzsimmons
Let's get into physical!
That was crazy!
That was so fucking big.
It was the first time women were marketed to for exercise.
joe rogan
I think so.
I think so.
I think before that, women maybe competed in athletic events like gymnastics and shit like that when they were young, but then when they probably got families or moved on to jobs, they probably stopped.
What is this one, Jamie?
unidentified
National Aerobic Championship, 1998. Oh my god.
joe rogan
Look at this is a choreographed dance.
This is so strange.
unidentified
Wow.
joe rogan
Oh, that's right.
Do you remember aerobics?
greg fitzsimmons
Aerobics.
joe rogan
I'm going to take an aerobics class.
greg fitzsimmons
Yeah.
joe rogan
You remember that?
jamie vernon
I'd be kind.
joe rogan
People would just dance around and you would do stuff.
Feel the pump.
unidentified
The pump.
joe rogan
The pump.
And two and three and go.
They turned everybody gay for about five years.
Look at all these guys.
Look at these guys.
These guys are straight as fuck and they don't even know they're doing gay stuff.
You know what it's like?
It's like before everybody knew that Rob Halford From Judas Priest is gay.
He used to make everybody dress up like him.
Because everybody, like kids that were straight kids, they were huge fans of Judas Priest.
They would wear the cap and the jet.
They were wearing gay aesthetic.
Like gay, biker-looking, tough guy.
Everybody got into it because they loved him.
Because Judas Priest was so badass and he's such a fucking awesome front man that he had straight guys dressing up like a gay biker.
greg fitzsimmons
That's fucking hilarious.
And then he comes out and they're all so confused.
He did it at a concert.
There's 100,000 of them.
No, I'm just saying what he did.
And they look down and they're all wearing.
joe rogan
What you're wearing is what I like in my men.
I had him on a show I did once.
It was like this thing for VH1 called The List.
greg fitzsimmons
Oh yeah, I did that.
joe rogan
You did it too?
Yeah, here he is.
Look at that.
I mean, look at the outfit, bro.
Seriously.
unidentified
Wow.
joe rogan
With the leather paperboy hat on.
greg fitzsimmons
Yep.
joe rogan
Or it's more like a soldier's hat.
And he's got leather vest on with no shirt underneath, leather gloves with spikes.
It's all S&M shit.
greg fitzsimmons
Yep.
joe rogan
Tight, tight, tight leather pants.
greg fitzsimmons
It's hilarious.
It's like Freddie Mercury.
joe rogan
Yeah, man.
What was my point?
Well, we were talking about something right before we were talking about that.
Oh, the aerobics.
greg fitzsimmons
Oh, yeah.
joe rogan
The aerobics guys.
Like, come on, man.
They had dudes wearing singles.
Look at this.
Look at this outfit.
That's like a singlet from wrestling, but with long pants.
greg fitzsimmons
Yeah.
joe rogan
This is bananas that they got men to dress like this.
Look at what they're wearing.
You see their nipples?
Like, their nipples are popped out.
They're all super gayed out.
greg fitzsimmons
These are probably straight men.
And they've got those three-quarter length Reebok high tops?
joe rogan
Exactly, with the Velcro.
You had to get the Velcro.
That's the newest technology.
greg fitzsimmons
Yeah.
joe rogan
So look, every girl is dressed like, you know, I guess they look more like, well, they have two different outfits.
The girls have some of them exposed the mid-drift.
greg fitzsimmons
Yeah.
joe rogan
Like, the dirty girls that they are.
And the other ones, they wear a one-piece.
jamie vernon
Here comes Alan Thicke.
joe rogan
Oh, Alan Thicke was hosting this motherfucker.
Oh, shit.
greg fitzsimmons
Of course he was.
joe rogan
Oh, shit.
Look at him.
Look at that hair.
It's wonderful.
Look at his jacket.
Solve Miami Vice doubt.
greg fitzsimmons
Yeah, he's got shoulder pads.
joe rogan
Yeah, you gotta get rid of the shoulder pads.
Back then, you could have shoulder pads.
greg fitzsimmons
Yeah, I remember having shoulder pads in my first jacket.
joe rogan
It's nice.
Makes you look better.
unidentified
Yeah.
joe rogan
It isn't like a stuffed bra for a girl.
greg fitzsimmons
It is.
jamie vernon
Yeah.
joe rogan
It's the same thing.
unidentified
Yeah.
Yeah.
joe rogan
But how weird that people...
So, do you remember people actually dressing like that in a class situation?
Did they go to classes?
Dressed like that?
jamie vernon
I was in grade school.
We had uniforms and stuff, so no, I never saw anything like that.
joe rogan
I never took an aerobics class, but see if you can find video footage of an aerobics class.
If all the guys are dressed like that, those dudes got punked.
greg fitzsimmons
Yeah.
joe rogan
Somebody talked them into dressing like a dancer.
greg fitzsimmons
Yeah, yeah.
And they're not showing their kids this video.
joe rogan
Why not?
So you used to be stupid.
So what?
If you're stupid once, you're stupid forever?
Is that real?
Come on.
greg fitzsimmons
And your kids love seeing you looking stupid, too.
joe rogan
And you should tell them.
greg fitzsimmons
I eat a mullet.
They laugh.
joe rogan
One thing that I always do when I tell my kids if they do something wrong, if they've done something wrong, I say, I did worse.
Way worse.
I did exactly what you did.
And I lied about it.
I always lied.
My parents asked me if I did anything wrong.
I always lied.
And I'm like, I know if you did something or you didn't do it.
I'm not mad at you.
I'm just trying to make you not do it in the future because I want you to learn why it's bad.
greg fitzsimmons
Yeah.
joe rogan
That's good.
greg fitzsimmons
That's good.
joe rogan
The number one thing I always do.
greg fitzsimmons
Right.
joe rogan
And I get mad sometimes.
I mean, it's just there's no way you can't.
Sometimes, especially as they get older.
They get upset about things and you gotta calm down.
You gotta figure out how to calm down.
Stop screaming at each other.
Sisters scream at each other.
You took my thing.
That's mine.
No, it's not.
You gave it to me.
No, but I can take it back.
greg fitzsimmons
It's amazing the pitch they can get.
Because usually when people get that hostile to each other, you're worried there's going to be a physical fight.
unidentified
Yes!
greg fitzsimmons
But sisters can take it to three times that level.
It makes you so uncomfortable.
joe rogan
But then they'll cuddle with each other.
They love each other.
greg fitzsimmons
Yeah.
joe rogan
It's funny.
greg fitzsimmons
That's sweet.
What's the race difference?
joe rogan
Two years.
greg fitzsimmons
Yeah, that's good.
joe rogan
It's interesting watching them evolve.
Like watching them learn new facts and learn new things and watch their little brain fill with information.
Their vocabulary starts growing.
greg fitzsimmons
Yeah.
joe rogan
And you're like, wow.
greg fitzsimmons
Yeah.
joe rogan
And you realize, I mean, I've said this before, but it bears repeating.
We look at people in a static state.
We're always looking at people, like if I see a guy and he's 40 years old and he's an asshole.
Oh, that's that 40-year-old asshole.
That fucking guy.
I know that guy.
That guy's so old.
But you don't think, oh, that was a baby.
greg fitzsimmons
Yeah.
joe rogan
That was a baby with a bunch of shitty data thrown at him.
A bunch of shitty interactions, bad genes, bad environment, maybe some alcoholism.
greg fitzsimmons
Yeah.
Maybe some...
joe rogan
Throw it in.
All of it.
greg fitzsimmons
Right.
joe rogan
A little ADHD. Bad nutrition.
Throw it all in there.
Throw it all in there.
A bunch of bad breaks in life.
Throw it all in there.
You know?
And that happens to...
So many people.
So you look at them and instead of...
I always look at what they are now.
Like, ah, this guy.
But what they are, all of them, including you and me, is a baby that became an older thing.
You know, and a great deal of people whose lives are chaotically fucked up.
It's through no fault of their own.
It's a great deal of them.
It's a large number.
greg fitzsimmons
Right.
joe rogan
You know?
And as of...
Gotten older and try to be more compassionate and more understanding, more patient.
Those are things that I worked on a lot.
And I still struggle with it.
But I don't think that's anything you ever really totally get over, but you get better.
greg fitzsimmons
I've seen it in you a lot over the years.
You're a lot more patient.
joe rogan
Yeah.
I think a lot of that has to do with just getting better at being a person when you work on it.
But I think also a lot of it has to do with the change of my attitude about people.
I started to think of them as a product of a lot of different interactions.
You hear the term white privilege?
It's a fucked up term, right?
It's weird.
But you have to admit, if you're a person and nothing completely catastrophic has happened to you, and you became this 50-year-old successful comedian that's an Emmy award-winning writer, and like, yeah, bad things happen to you, right?
But they could have been fucking way worse.
It could have been way worse.
And for some people, it is fucking way worse.
They just got a shit roll of the dice from the jump.
And it's been bad experience after bad experience and fucking abuse and violence and jail.
You can't get out.
There's no way out.
You can't even read.
It's just like you're frothing around at sea trying to keep your head above water.
greg fitzsimmons
Yeah.
joe rogan
And you run into them when they're 32 at a gas station.
And it's as much...
I mean, it's not saying it's not their fault.
Because whenever someone does anything to you, it's their fault.
Like if someone commits violence on you, they shouldn't have done that.
It's their fault.
That's agreed.
But what were the underlying factors that led this to happen?
And for all this talk that we do in this country...
About violence and crime and the problem of violence and crime.
Nobody ever looks at it in terms of like, how do you stop children from being raised fucked up and violent?
How do you stop them from being abused?
How do you step in?
Because that's the root of all of it.
greg fitzsimmons
Right, and I think early childhood education can make a big difference because if you have a kid growing up and, you know, the dad took off, there's no money, he's living on the streets, if you can create an environment for that four-year-old to come in and have two decent meals, a nap time, some structured play, it makes all the difference in the world because that can become like the family to them.
joe rogan
Now let me ask you this.
Because we're in the biggest crisis in terms of immigration, in terms of national discussion.
The biggest discussion of it that I can ever remember.
Right now, this wall shit where the government is completely shut down.
And no one's budget on either side.
And all these government workers are not getting paid.
And it's all because Trump wants $5 billion for this wall.
I'm not...
Let's just...
In an ideal world, it would be ideal if the way the world worked was the way America works, where you could just go wherever you want.
That'd be the ideal world.
If the whole world was America in the sense of you can go to New Mexico.
You don't have to get paperwork signed.
No one has to tell you whether or not you're allowed to go visit or not go visit.
You can just drive there.
That's a nice thing about America.
It's almost like Europe, but you don't need a passport.
Not in it's like Europe.
I know you guys have been around longer and all that good stuff.
That's not what I mean.
I mean in terms of there's a bunch of different feels.
greg fitzsimmons
Yeah.
joe rogan
It's all speaking one language, but there's a big difference between visiting Montana and visiting Miami.
You know, if you go to Billings, Montana and hang out with the local folk at a coffee shop, and then you go to some fucking crazy after-hours party in Miami on Miami Beach at four in the morning and P. Diddy shows up.
unidentified
Yeah.
joe rogan
Fucking you know and there's all these celebrities and people are doing coke on the floor and like what the fuck is this?
This is a different world.
Yeah, there's a different world and there's a bunch of these different world New York City is a different world.
You know LA is a different world You're allowed to go there wouldn't it be great if the whole world was like that You could just kind of go wherever you wanted to go and it would all sort itself out The idea is you can't because it would fuck up our quality of life.
It would make us less safe And I get the argument.
Certainly, you don't want to bring in criminals and murderers.
You don't want drug dealers making their way into this country and starting gang violence and all that stuff.
Yes, you're absolutely right.
And to deny that, I think it's pretty fucking foolish.
greg fitzsimmons
Yeah, I think it's a matter of like...
joe rogan
There's a lot to it.
greg fitzsimmons
It's a fluid...
The border is always going to be fluid.
And it needs to be fluid.
You know, we need the immigrant spirit of coming in.
And a lot of them do start small businesses when...
You know, and again, when they're brought in legally...
And so how do you create a flow of people that is good for us?
Because they say most of the immigrants that come here are the smartest, sharpest people, most driven in wherever they're from.
So we're actually drawing a really good, you know, they talk so much about the criminals, but the truth is, most of them that are coming over here are the ones that probably have the most to offer to this country.
joe rogan
Well, exactly like our parents' generation.
Like our grandparents.
Like my grandparents.
Like when did your grandparents come over here?
Was it your grandparents or your great-grandparents?
greg fitzsimmons
1910. My grandparents.
joe rogan
Yeah, mine as well.
greg fitzsimmons
My grandfather was one of 13 and 12 of them came over here.
joe rogan
Oh my God.
greg fitzsimmons
And they lived in a two-room fucking mud hut.
Somehow they kept finding the money to send one kid over at a time.
Like usually when they were about 15. Crazy.
unidentified
Holy shit.
greg fitzsimmons
Yeah.
joe rogan
See, that kind of shit is what I'm talking about.
Like those kind of people.
Shouldn't they be allowed to come here?
That's how this thing got started.
The real problem is that there's spots that suck.
That's the real problem.
It's like we were talking about white privilege.
White privilege is not the problem.
The problem is racism.
If racism doesn't exist, then everyone's exactly the same.
And then we're okay.
And then we don't need to worry about white privilege.
The real problem is you're not getting racist things thrown at you the way black people are.
Yeah, for sure.
But that's not the problem.
The problem is racist things being thrown at black people.
It's not that I don't get it.
It's that you get it.
And it's like, to highlight the fact that it's not happening to me.
I get what you're saying, but I think it's a distraction.
The real problem is the racism itself.
The real problem is when you see actual Nazis in 2018, 2019, actual ones, real ones.
Not just dressing up because they think it's a hoot.
unidentified
You know, I'm a rebel.
joe rogan
I'm a fucking Hitler, bro.
I got a piece of tape under my nose.
There's some fucking people that aren't really Nazis, but they're dumb.
greg fitzsimmons
Yeah.
joe rogan
Right?
But then you see a real Nazi in 2019. You're like, okay, that's real racism.
greg fitzsimmons
Yeah.
No, when they go into...
I was in Portland, and they said there's regular clashes.
Like, once a month, there's a demonstration, and it's either the alt-right having a demonstration, and then the...
What do they call them?
The something-far...
joe rogan
Antifa.
greg fitzsimmons
Antifa show up, and they have regular fights, and it's fucking Nazis.
joe rogan
God damn.
greg fitzsimmons
Oregon's a fucked up state because it was originally, there were no black people allowed in Oregon.
That's the, you know, because now Portland is this very progressive.
joe rogan
Super progressive.
greg fitzsimmons
Super progressive, but there's no black people there.
joe rogan
There's a few.
greg fitzsimmons
There are, it feels a little hollow though when you're there.
joe rogan
I think they're running shit.
greg fitzsimmons
I just did New Year's Eve shows there and they were, it was fucking all white.
It was all white.
It was weird.
joe rogan
That is weird.
greg fitzsimmons
If I was black, I would go to Portland in a second.
You'd have so many friends instantly.
Everybody wants to high-five you, have you over for dinner.
joe rogan
Yeah.
It's, um, yeah.
The real problem, for sure, is any kind of discrimination.
Because that also fucks with us, too.
Because if people are discriminating against people, we can't even make fun of them now.
We have to leave them alone.
unidentified
Right.
joe rogan
Because then it's punching down.
Like, ah!
But it's right there.
unidentified
I know.
greg fitzsimmons
It's the best joke.
I mean, when you think about it as a stand-up, what your topics are, race, racism, Sexuality.
joe rogan
Politics.
greg fitzsimmons
Most people don't do politics.
I would say that the average comic is talking about two topics, racism and sexuality.
joe rogan
I think you did a great job of covering politics without actually being political.
You do a great job with that.
Oh, thanks, man.
Especially your Hillary Clinton bit.
unidentified
Yeah.
greg fitzsimmons
I did this thing during the election about her.
And I didn't mean it to knock her, but it really wasn't about knocking anybody.
It was about her having a dry pussy.
And, you know, that's the kind of political comedy you can expect from me.
joe rogan
It was also about countdown till Trump calls her a cunt.
that was my favorite line That was my favorite line about the election.
greg fitzsimmons
Dude, I did the dry cunt jokes about her, and then Drew Carey was in the audience, and he came up to me after the show.
He gave me an entire piece of paper with more jokes on that premise.
He had tears in his eyes.
Like, that's the funniest thing I've ever seen.
Here, take these.
He loves filth.
joe rogan
Drew Carey is one of the nicest guys ever.
greg fitzsimmons
Yeah, he's great.
joe rogan
I met him at the improv, and dude, he talks to everybody.
He was giving young comics advice, telling them, write a joke a day.
Just one joke a day.
If you get one joke a day, in the course of a week, you've got seven jokes.
Just make yourself write a joke.
greg fitzsimmons
Did you write a joke yesterday?
joe rogan
Nah, I wrote some shit that wasn't funny.
I just wrote some shit last night.
greg fitzsimmons
You and I did a story together last night.
joe rogan
Yeah, and then last night I came home and wrote.
greg fitzsimmons
Yeah.
joe rogan
Yeah, I'm just...
I'm in this stage of a couple of these bits that I'm working on right now where they're just like...
They're on Bambi legs.
greg fitzsimmons
Yeah.
joe rogan
They'll go south on me.
greg fitzsimmons
Right.
joe rogan
Like, I'll lose the script.
unidentified
Yeah.
joe rogan
It's interesting because...
When you go from doing a special and then chucking everything out and then starting from scratch, it's the most fun time.
greg fitzsimmons
Yeah.
joe rogan
Because you're like a beginner again.
greg fitzsimmons
You're thinking about it all the time.
joe rogan
Yeah.
greg fitzsimmons
Like after dinner, I've got a half hour, I'm like, I want to get back to that bit.
joe rogan
Yeah, yeah, yeah.
Yeah, you're thinking about it all the time.
greg fitzsimmons
Yeah.
joe rogan
Like you're thinking about bits all the time.
Whereas once you have an act together and you do an hour, 20 minutes easy, then you're not thinking about it that much.
You're thinking about when you do it or you're thinking about it when you write, but you're not thinking about it all day.
greg fitzsimmons
No, you're tweaking it in motion.
Like when you're on stage and you've got the hour down, that's when...
You and I were talking about a comedian you just told to take a little extra time before they do your special.
And it really is in that extra few months that you find emphasizing this syllable makes the joke get an applause break instead of just laughs.
joe rogan
It's also...
One of the most interactive art forms ever, whereas you need other people to do it.
You need other people to watch.
There's no way I can do that without you, without people listening, watching, whatever it is.
You can't do it.
You need them.
Because they help you make it.
Their reactions to what you're saying tightens up what you're saying.
Their reactions make you throw away certain parts that just aren't working right.
You think it's funny, they don't think it's funny.
How many times do they not think it's funny before you decide that part might not be that good?
Let me concentrate on this part.
This part seems to have fruit to it.
This part, this is the part that kills.
I didn't even expect this part to work, but this part has become a bigger part of the bit than the first part.
And then weird stuff starts branching off, but I don't think it branches off in front of people.
It's weird.
greg fitzsimmons
No, it really is interesting.
If you could track a comedian writing a bit, a good comic, who really takes on a premise like you do, like take on a thought or a philosophy and step it out as far as it can possibly go and track that person doing that set for six months, it can morph to where there's almost nothing left from the original premise.
joe rogan
All the time.
Yeah.
Sometimes I'll take an old joke and I'll use it as a scaffolding.
Like when I'm writing again and I've got no...
Like I'm trapped and I'm like, I've got no way to get from this bit to another.
But I've got an old joke.
I'm going to shove an old joke in there.
And then from that, the little burst that you get out of that will carry you on and make the next premise better.
It's got a little bit more momentum to it.
And now you can explore it a little light-headed, a little light-hearted, a little easier, less tense.
Because the new stuff...
The thing about it that fucks me up the most is that I'm not exactly sure what's the best way to do it.
So I'm thinking about it while I'm saying it instead of just being in the moment.
greg fitzsimmons
Right.
joe rogan
Until you can just get it to the point where you can be in the moment, it's just clunky.
unidentified
Yeah.
joe rogan
But because it's clunky, you're nervous.
And because you're nervous, you're thinking about it all the time.
greg fitzsimmons
Yeah.
joe rogan
So it becomes like this obsession.
So I feel like more premises start popping up that way.
It's weird.
It's like you have this...
Hyper-focused that's way less comfortable than having an hour and 20 down, ready to film.
It's way less comfortable, but it's probably more productive in terms of creatively.
greg fitzsimmons
Of course, but I always think it's like learning a new language.
Every time I have a new bit, it's like, how do I translate this thought in my head into, like you said, what's my approach?
What's my strategy to get that idea across?
And so you're thinking about that and it slows down you.
Yeah, you're not in the moment as much.
joe rogan
I think I'm going to start doing some real late night sets too.
greg fitzsimmons
Yeah, that's a good idea.
joe rogan
I think you've got to do tired people with like 13 people in the room.
You've got to try those little spots out too.
You can get a little too used to doing crowds.
And if you're a little too used to doing crowds, what happens is people want to laugh.
They want to laugh.
They're there to have a good time.
When you get at 1 o'clock in the morning, they've already laughed.
They've laughed and laughed and laughed.
And they've laughed for hours, some of them.
Some of them get there at 9, and they stay till 2. They just get up to pee, order another drink, have another seat, and you're watching a crazy lineup of comedians.
You get on at one o'clock in the morning, man, like the Don Barris hour, that fucking...
You're getting in front of people that have seen everything.
So if you make them laugh...
Like, that's a legit bit.
greg fitzsimmons
Yeah.
joe rogan
If you can get through to these people when they've probably heard everything.
greg fitzsimmons
Well, and it gets you in your voice more because when there's only 15 people out there versus 300 a couple hours earlier, at 300 you're performing something out to the back of the room.
joe rogan
Yeah.
greg fitzsimmons
They talk about playing to the back of the room in bigger rooms.
You have to be more physical.
You have to slow down.
And then when you have 15 people, all of a sudden, you're in your human being talking to human beings voice.
And sometimes that's where you can find really the flow of the joke a lot better.
Because you're not pumping it up.
You're just saying it.
joe rogan
Yeah, I agree.
But I think you have to do those larger places, too, just to know how to do them.
Like, they're a different thing.
greg fitzsimmons
Yeah.
joe rogan
Like, if you do a big theater, a big theater, you need to be comfortable with the fact that there's, you know, X amount of thousands of people in that room.
And unless you do a bunch of those...
Like, you and I have done a few of them together.
greg fitzsimmons
Yeah.
joe rogan
They're fun.
greg fitzsimmons
Yeah.
joe rogan
But you have a time...
There's a timing thing that's different.
You have to...
Wait a little longer.
You can't beat your punchlines up one after the other like you can in a club.
In a club, you could just keep hammering because there's only so many people in the room.
It won't overpower the sound system.
greg fitzsimmons
And that's why for so long, Comedy Central, the mandate was always they want the special shot in a nice theater, like a 1500, 2000 seater where they can get the crane camera shooting down.
Yeah.
And the truth is, for most, including myself, I'm not a theater comic.
I'm a club comic.
So all of a sudden I shoot my special in a room that holds 1,600 people and it wasn't, I don't look back at it and go, that's exactly how I wanted to be seen.
I was slower.
I was bigger.
It's like I would have rather done it in a nice little 400-seat club.
joe rogan
Also, you weren't doing a lot of those places, so you weren't comfortable with it.
When you do those really big places, once you get comfortable with it, you start treating it like a club.
One of my most comfortable sets was one of the biggest places I ever did, the Scotiabank Arena in Toronto at the end of my tour, but it was at the end of the tour, the very last spot before the Netflix special came out.
So I had been doing stand-up like real regular in these big giant-ass places for months.
So when I got there, it felt like the store.
It felt like doing the main room.
It was just a bigger main room.
It was just fun.
Just have a good time.
It's just doing a lot of those.
You've got to do them, but you really do have to do the little tiny shitty ones.
You've got to do those 1 a.m.
spots.
You've got to do those belly room spots.
That's a big one.
The belly room's a big one.
greg fitzsimmons
They're right there.
It is.
If you are not connected to them, they do not laugh.
And if you are connected, it's the greatest crowd.
joe rogan
They're right in front of you.
greg fitzsimmons
Because there's only, what, 60 people in there?
joe rogan
Yeah.
Something like that.
greg fitzsimmons
I also like doing alternative rooms sometimes.
I go to Largo.
joe rogan
How dare you?
greg fitzsimmons
Go up there in front of the cool kids and, you know, have to be a little more PC. You should have a fake act that you do only for Largo.
joe rogan
Like, put together...
Actually, I did Largo with Whitney.
I like Largo.
greg fitzsimmons
Largo's great.
joe rogan
And Hardwick was on that show, too, and someone else.
Maybe Adam Ray.
No, Adam Devine.
Okay.
And it was a fun time, man.
It was really fun.
Largo is a really interesting old place, too.
But all those are alt-scene things.
I would love if somebody did, they put an act together that's only for that crowd, but it's just onion-esque enough that it sneaks through.
unidentified
Yeah.
joe rogan
You know?
greg fitzsimmons
Yeah, right.
joe rogan
Just a really, like, a guy who plays, like, the strongest ally possible for everything.
For trans rights, gay rights, black rights, women's rights.
greg fitzsimmons
Yeah.
joe rogan
He's, like, the ultimate ally in comedy form.
unidentified
He had a fake beard.
joe rogan
Oh, yeah, yeah, yeah.
Everything.
greg fitzsimmons
Birkenstocks.
joe rogan
Whatever we can do.
greg fitzsimmons
Yeah.
joe rogan
Whatever we can do to make him a character.
greg fitzsimmons
That's hilarious.
joe rogan
And then write really good jokes.
greg fitzsimmons
Right.
joe rogan
Write really good jokes.
That would be an interesting project, almost like a Borat-type project.
Create an alt-comic who's really calculated, who's really probably just trying to get pussy, but puts together the right words.
If you don't support intersectionality, then get the fuck out of my face.
greg fitzsimmons
Yeah, yeah.
joe rogan
You know, like some...
greg fitzsimmons
And then he should try to get laid after every show as part of the character.
unidentified
Of course.
joe rogan
Yeah, be just super sleazy with coke and needles, fucking syringes.
unidentified
He pulls out...
joe rogan
He's got shaky bottles of bills.
unidentified
Come on!
Come on!
greg fitzsimmons
Takes the pussy hat off his head and starts fucking it backstage.
joe rogan
Yeah.
He's got a flashlight for a pussy hat.
Oh my god.
That would be a hilarious character because the thing about people is who are you really?
And...
When you're talking to people, do you know who you are?
Are you sure you know who you are?
Are you 100% certain and cool and calm?
I don't think most of us are.
I think most of us are constantly evolving the way we behave and think.
Constantly thinking about it.
Maybe things went wrong last night.
I've got to stop drinking.
There's always something.
I've got to get my ass to the gym.
There's always something.
There's always something you're trying to improve and move around.
So if you are a person who is...
If you don't know exactly where you're coming from, but you want to sell that you know where you're coming from, you want people to believe you know where you're coming from, then you get all this momentum behind you.
And you almost can't get away from it.
You see this a lot with people that are trying to be spiritual.
They're always trying to sell you on the idea that they're spiritual.
They're always pushing.
This is me, man.
This is me.
Are you sure?
Are you sure?
I think who we are, all of us, a lot of it is who we've encountered and how we've interacted with those people.
greg fitzsimmons
Yeah, and then the uniform comes along with it and the diet.
There's like a whole follow this manual that, you know, they talk about hipsters, which, you know, it's a pretty wide umbrella about what kind of hipsters there are.
But just the idea of wearing a uniform always kind of puts me off on people.
Like you've stopped.
You've stopped growing if you're going to put on what all the other people that you want to be like are wearing.
unidentified
Yeah.
joe rogan
Yeah, this is the thing.
It's like the opinions aren't necessarily wrong because they're your opinions.
But the thing of any kind of ideology, whether it's a hipster, alt ideology, or if it's a fucking conservative right-wing farm worker ideology, when people adopt those, there's very little deviation.
And a lot of times they're not even really thinking entirely about what they're saying.
They just know what is going to get the right positive reaction from their clan.
greg fitzsimmons
Yeah, I feel bad.
My mom, who's, you know, we grew up in a pretty liberal family in New York.
My dad was in radio, and he talked politics on the air, and it was pretty far left.
Reading that, you know, my mom worked at the New York Times.
You can't get any more liberal than that.
And so then she moved down to Florida where everybody watches Fox News in her building.
And they all sit around the pool and they fucking berate her because they don't agree with them.
And I just say, good for you, mom.
You haven't, because a lot of people go down there and they change their views because they are so, you know, intimidated by not fitting in with the, it's your social group.
joe rogan
It's a different country.
Florida's a different country.
Like I was saying, American Europe.
That's what this is.
You go to Florida, that's a different country.
greg fitzsimmons
Yeah, it is.
And it's two different countries, if not three, because you've got the locals, which I'd put them against Mississippi and Alabama for being deep south.
And then you've got the retirement people, which is old Jews from New York.
And then you've got the Latino element of Florida.
It's three different countries.
joe rogan
A lot of old Italians from New York, too.
greg fitzsimmons
Oh, yeah, that's right.
joe rogan
All those people just said, fuck this winter.
greg fitzsimmons
Yeah.
joe rogan
We're getting out of here.
greg fitzsimmons
Yeah, what are we doing?
joe rogan
And they're fucking getting the boat and getting the plane.
unidentified
My fucking mozzarella is hot as your fucking ant's cunt.
joe rogan
You can get some good Italian food in Florida.
greg fitzsimmons
Oh yeah.
joe rogan
Florida's got some good food.
But yeah, you're right.
The upper part of it especially.
That's like all...
I mean, it might as well be any other southern state.
greg fitzsimmons
Right, right.
joe rogan
And then at the bottom, it's Cubans.
You know, running shit in Miami.
Miami's just international.
Miami's like an international city.
It's like an international city that's in America.
I mean, that is so different than Seattle.
Like in terms of feel and like the way you're walking around, everybody's like...
Thin and in tight clothes and people are partying and fucking dancing and music's coming out of cars.
Like, whoa.
This place is alive.
greg fitzsimmons
It's popping.
Yeah, it's alive.
And it's going to be underwater soon.
joe rogan
Yeah.
greg fitzsimmons
When the moon is in certain positions in Florida, it doesn't even matter what tide is.
If there's a high tide and no storm, the streets still flood in Miami.
It's getting bad.
joe rogan
Is that real?
greg fitzsimmons
Yeah.
joe rogan
Well, here's what they got to do.
They got to dig under the city and then lift it up.
greg fitzsimmons
Yeah, that's right.
joe rogan
Just go all the way under, Elon Musk.
Use that tunnel machine thing.
And you're going to put some giant metal bars and just jack it up.
Chick, chick, chick, chick, chick, chick.
greg fitzsimmons
You got the Italians down there.
They do construction.
joe rogan
But what if they do a New Orleans deal where they put up a levee?
greg fitzsimmons
Yeah, that's what they're going to need to do.
joe rogan
Jesus Christ.
I think the problem with that, though, what I read was that there's something about the porous nature of the soil in Miami, that the water is going to come through the ground.
greg fitzsimmons
Yeah.
joe rogan
The ground under the cities of South Florida is largely...
There it is.
Largely porous...
Jamie's on the ball.
Largely porous limestone, which means water will eventually rise up through it.
So they're fucked.
They're fucked no matter what.
Even with a levee, they're fucked.
That water's just gonna get through the ground.
You know how, like, you're on the beach, and you can dig a hole in the sand, and eventually you hit water?
greg fitzsimmons
Yeah.
joe rogan
That always freaked me out.
greg fitzsimmons
Yeah, I know.
I know.
joe rogan
Wait a minute, there's water under here?
How much water?
greg fitzsimmons
I remember my kid was sitting in one of those holes, and I'm like, you're gonna get fucking sucked underground.
joe rogan
Yeah, I didn't like it.
I didn't like it.
greg fitzsimmons
Yeah.
joe rogan
I was listening to a Radiolab podcast on Quicksand.
It was a really cool podcast because it made me think, I went, oh yeah, nobody worries about quicksand anymore.
greg fitzsimmons
Is that a real thing?
joe rogan
When we were kids, dude, yeah, yeah.
Quicksand is a real thing.
greg fitzsimmons
Yeah.
joe rogan
Yeah.
It's a real thing.
You can fall into this soupy, watery, sandy shit.
And if you don't try to swim out of it, you try to walk out of it, you could drown.
Yeah.
You could die in there.
People have definitely died.
And you might not even get out if you try to swim out, but that's how you handle it.
You handle it the same way you handle water.
And if you try walking through it, people just get sucked into the murk.
I mean, if you think about it, there's like a certain amount of density to what you need to stand on, right?
That's why mud, it's not hard.
You just go in there and you can get really stuck, right?
Well, if it's more watery than that, then what happens?
Well, then you can't even stand.
Then you go...
And people just panic and die.
Yeah.
You gotta swim.
greg fitzsimmons
Yeah.
joe rogan
If you can.
Because there's all this weight on you, too.
You have to realize that.
That stuff's dense.
So it's watery, but it's also heavy.
And then your clothes are covered in it.
greg fitzsimmons
Yeah.
joe rogan
So your clothes become really heavy.
greg fitzsimmons
And so nobody can save you because if they get close, they're gonna fall in.
joe rogan
Yes.
Yeah.
If you're gonna drag them down, man, it's hard to swim with somebody.
You know that as well as anybody.
You save somebody.
greg fitzsimmons
Yeah, I was in Costa Rica.
And we were down at this, it was the biggest waterfall I've ever seen.
It was like hundreds of feet high.
And it landed in this lagoon, this round lagoon.
And the water, they told you, don't go near the water.
And so there's these Japanese girls sitting on the edge, they got their feet in.
And then one of them, like, jumps in.
And the water fucking sucks her down immediately.
unidentified
Oh, God.
greg fitzsimmons
And I dove out.
I have a lifeguarding degree from when I was stoned in 16. And so I dove into the water and I grabbed her.
And luckily I was checking them out because they were these beautiful Japanese girls.
So I had my eyes on them.
And so I dive in and I grab her.
And I pull her to the surface.
I do the cross-arm carry and I pull her out.
And you know what she did?
joe rogan
What?
greg fitzsimmons
Just turned to her friends.
They all like consoled her.
Nobody said thank you.
I fucking saved her life.
So anyway.
joe rogan
Wow.
unidentified
Wow.
greg fitzsimmons
So there was these kids...
joe rogan
Whoever you are, Japanese lady.
How rude.
Was she American or Japanese Japanese?
greg fitzsimmons
I think she was Japanese.
No, no, they were Japanese Japanese.
Yeah.
joe rogan
She probably thought you were a lifeguard.
greg fitzsimmons
Yeah.
joe rogan
Probably thought that's what happened.
greg fitzsimmons
Yeah.
And then I left and I'm with my family and they didn't see it happen.
So I was so fucking bummed.
Then we get to the parking lot and there's this busload of kids from some school and they had seen the whole thing and they started chanting hero to me.
joe rogan
Oh, wow.
greg fitzsimmons
And I said to my kids, do you fucking see what's happening right now?
unidentified
Ah!
joe rogan
That's got to be a great feeling, even if they didn't say thank you.
greg fitzsimmons
Yeah.
joe rogan
You saved them.
greg fitzsimmons
It's what I do.
It's my job.
Superhero.
You ever save anybody's life?
unidentified
No.
joe rogan
I don't think so.
Not directly.
greg fitzsimmons
Maybe you did.
This podcast probably did.
joe rogan
Indirectly.
greg fitzsimmons
I bet there's people that have been suicidal that heard this and it cheered them up.
joe rogan
I bet it ruined a few people, too.
Let's be honest.
You should do everything I do.
Don't listen to me.
I'm a fucking idiot.
Why are you listening to me?
Because if people say I changed their life, like, okay, if I accept it on the positive, then I have to accept it on the negative, too.
greg fitzsimmons
That's right.
joe rogan
No, no, you did it.
You did the whole thing.
unidentified
Yeah.
joe rogan
I said some shit that you enjoyed.
I'm very happy for that.
And I talked to some people that brought you some great information.
I'm very happy for that, too.
We're all in this together.
I'm not saving anybody.
unidentified
Yeah.
joe rogan
You save yourself.
greg fitzsimmons
Right.
joe rogan
Don't listen to me.
greg fitzsimmons
Yeah.
Call a hotline.
joe rogan
Yeah.
Don't listen to me.
Don't take yoga.
Don't even do it.
Don't take yoga.
Don't listen to me.
I don't know what the fuck I'm talking about.
Don't pick up archery.
What the fuck do you want to do?
You want to shoot arrows at things?
unidentified
Get the fuck out of here.
greg fitzsimmons
Eat carbs.
Eat some fucking carbs.
joe rogan
Don't do jujitsu.
You're going to get hurt.
You want to get hurt?
You're a 40-year-old man.
We try to choke people for.
Stop it.
Don't listen to me.
Don't eat elk.
Go get a burger.
We've got an actual American hamburger.
greg fitzsimmons
Don't eat mushrooms.
joe rogan
Get out of here.
greg fitzsimmons
It's going to close your mind off.
joe rogan
Break your head.
They're going to break your head.
What if you go crazy like that guy from Pink Floyd?
Huh?
What if you go crazy?
What if you never come back?
greg fitzsimmons
What if you get anti-Semitic as a judo?
joe rogan
But the thing is, what if you do?
Like, for sure, some people have smoked too much pot and blown a fucking gasket.
greg fitzsimmons
Yeah.
joe rogan
Let's be honest, right?
It has to have happened.
greg fitzsimmons
They say that actually they're finding...
My wife just told me this yesterday.
She read this article about people with schizophrenia are getting older and they're smoking pot more because it's legal.
And they're finding people are coming in with schizophrenic episodes from smoking too much pot.
joe rogan
That were schizophrenic already or became schizophrenic from the pot?
greg fitzsimmons
Not sure.
joe rogan
I think when you, especially when you get too high, it feels exactly like being crazy.
greg fitzsimmons
Yeah.
joe rogan
And I think when, there's been moments for sure that I smoke too much pot and I freak the fuck out.
And when that happens, it almost always feels like, wow, if I had to live life like this, And it's one of the things that I try to take into consideration when I think about people having something wrong with the way their brain processes information or the way they talk.
It's like think about how you feel when you're on like a 200 milligram edible.
And you're like, oh my god, I just can't do this.
This is just too much.
Everything is like anxiety and the freak out and life and death and all of your memories pouring back into your head like a waterfall and you can't collect them.
unidentified
In circles.
greg fitzsimmons
They're spinning like plates.
And all you want is for it to end.
Please end.
joe rogan
I'm just going to lie down here.
I hear when you take a shower, it helps.
You get in the shower, you're still freaked out.
If that was your whole life.
So you got to think.
What's your state of consciousness versus another person's?
You have to guess.
I've never been in your mind.
I don't know how your mind works.
I have to guess that your mind is some reasonable – it's got something like the way my mind works, the way you look at life.
And we talk about so many things.
We agree on so many things.
I've got to think your processing is very similar to mine.
There's gotta be people out there where it's chaos, where it's just like you with a 200 milligram edible.
You're just like, fuck!
All day it's just like, what?
Who's doing that?
Dude, just people watching me, man.
There's a building near us, and there's people watching me.
greg fitzsimmons
And they can't escape.
joe rogan
They can't escape.
They're trapped in this fucking...
Constant snowball effect of anxiety and chaos.
And you've got to wonder, how much of that is brain chemistry?
How much of that is brain chemistry that's been adjusted by nature and by life experiences and abuse and all these different factors that happen to people that make them lose their grip?
greg fitzsimmons
Right.
Yeah.
I mean, you see them on the street and you just, you know, there's a woman that is near my house.
She's at a bus stop.
And she's been at this bus stop for three years, and I pass her two or three times a day, and I'm kind of obsessed with checking on her every time I drive by.
And she's never not been in that bus stop sitting down.
She's either reading or reading.
Or just under a blanket.
She's chain smokes.
I don't know where she gets the cigarettes.
She's got a cell phone.
Don't know how she charges it.
But I guess she goes to the bathroom at the gas station.
Maybe people give her money and she doesn't beg, doesn't engage, just sits at this.
And she's in front of a gas station and a busy road.
It's the worst spot to sit.
Pouring rain, she's out there.
Cold winter, she's out there.
It's crazy.
unidentified
Wow.
joe rogan
Does the bus stop have a cover?
greg fitzsimmons
Yeah, but the sides are not there.
joe rogan
Oh.
greg fitzsimmons
So when driving rain, it's, you know.
joe rogan
So she's just fucked.
greg fitzsimmons
She's soaked, yeah.
joe rogan
Fuck, man.
greg fitzsimmons
And you see her talking to herself a little bit, and you just think, Jesus Christ.
And so I looked her up online, I researched her, and it turns out she's from Venice.
She went to Venice High, and she's got parents in the neighborhood, and they know she's there.
They can't get her to leave.
Social workers come by, and they just realize she's happy there.
Not happy, but she's safe there.
Something about that spot, maybe because it's the busiest spot around, it makes her feel safe.
unidentified
Wow.
Yeah.
joe rogan
Imagine that's your kid.
greg fitzsimmons
I know.
joe rogan
Yeah.
Imagine your kid blows a gasket.
Yeah.
greg fitzsimmons
And you gotta let go at a certain point.
joe rogan
Fuck.
greg fitzsimmons
You can't make them take their medication after the age of 18. And for some reason, a lot of schizophrenics don't like taking their medication because of the way it makes them feel.
joe rogan
God damn it.
greg fitzsimmons
Yeah.
joe rogan
What are the other options?
greg fitzsimmons
I think lithium is the main drug, and then there's a couple other ones that work.
joe rogan
Is there any behavioral therapy or physical therapy?
greg fitzsimmons
Oh yeah, definitely.
unidentified
Is there anything you can do?
greg fitzsimmons
Yeah.
I think it's about replacing thoughts.
It's cognitive behavioral therapy.
When they start thinking something, they have to replace it with another thought, and they have to train in that until they can stop the voices.
But I think it's mostly medication.
joe rogan
Yeah.
I think we have an aversion to treating the brain, say, when we treat other things that get broken.
Like, you know, if you have something wrong with your liver, they go, oh, you've got liver disease.
Well, we're going to give you medication for the liver.
If there's something wrong with your brain, like, are you sure?
Are you sure there's something wrong with your brain?
You know, what's wrong?
greg fitzsimmons
Right.
joe rogan
Like, your brain's really not producing enough chemicals.
Is that it?
Or is it just the way you look at things?
greg fitzsimmons
No, they look at it as a weakness.
joe rogan
Yeah.
greg fitzsimmons
Mental illness is a weakness.
joe rogan
Yeah.
That's a weird thing.
It's a weird thing because sometimes it is.
Sometimes people are weak.
But sometimes that's not it.
Sometimes there's something wrong.
greg fitzsimmons
Yeah.
joe rogan
And so if you're a person who's got something wrong and people are telling you you're just weak...
Like, no, no, no, this is fucked up.
Like, this is a terrible feeling, and this is every day for me, all day.
There's just something wrong going on in there.
It has to be that there's variables to the way your brain works, just like there's variables to the way your eyes function or any other part of your body.
It's not equal.
Everybody doesn't get the same dose.
greg fitzsimmons
Right.
I mean, depression is something that...
It's funny, because I think I've asked you, and you don't have depression.
And my buddy, Mike Gibbons, he's my best friend, and we connect, like you and me, on everything.
But I have so much fucking depression that I deal with it every day.
joe rogan
Yeah.
greg fitzsimmons
You know, and I can't, I have to meditate, I gotta exercise, I, you know, medicate everything.
joe rogan
Do you, well, while you're injured right now, you can't work out, right?
greg fitzsimmons
Right.
joe rogan
Does that affect you?
unidentified
Big time.
joe rogan
Does it help you?
greg fitzsimmons
Yeah, I've been in a rut with not exercising.
joe rogan
When you do exercise a lot, does it alleviate your symptoms and your feel?
greg fitzsimmons
Very much.
joe rogan
Really?
greg fitzsimmons
Yeah.
joe rogan
Yeah.
greg fitzsimmons
I'm doing this thing now.
I think Neil Brennan recommended it.
joe rogan
The magnet thing?
greg fitzsimmons
Yeah, TMS. Transcranial Magnetic Stimulation.
joe rogan
Yeah, he said it was amazing.
greg fitzsimmons
I've done it for 10 weeks every single day.
joe rogan
Really?
greg fitzsimmons
Yeah, I just did it this morning.
joe rogan
Do you do it to yourself?
greg fitzsimmons
No, you go in, first you get an MRI and they map out your brain.
joe rogan
Right.
greg fitzsimmons
And the whole theory behind it is that they can use magnetic stimulation to sort of like waken up one of the lobes in your brain that's associated with depression.
And so you go in and first they map out your brain and then you go in and for like a half hour they just pulse this magnetic thing onto your head.
It's like a very low grade MRI almost.
unidentified
Yeah.
greg fitzsimmons
And I've had amazing results.
unidentified
Wow.
greg fitzsimmons
And it lasts forever.
You go through this cycle of it and then Neil's had the same experience.
joe rogan
That's crazy.
greg fitzsimmons
Yeah.
Highly recommend it.
joe rogan
It lasts forever.
greg fitzsimmons
Yeah.
Well, they say some people have to come in and get a tune-up, but generally it's one time.
joe rogan
There's a woman named Kat Zingano.
She's one of the UFC's top bantamweights and she fought UFC champion Amanda Nunez back in the day and actually beat her before she won the title.
But in that fight, she got hurt real bad.
And she talked about it on the podcast that she developed a bunch of brain issues after that fight.
Because her cortisol levels were all fucked up.
Her hormones were all fucked up.
She developed a thyroid problem.
She got hit in the head so hard she developed a thyroid problem.
She couldn't keep weight off.
She was trying to figure out what the fuck is wrong with her.
And one of the things that helped her the best, she talked about it really openly and in depth on the podcast.
But one of the things that helped her the best was they have this...
I think it's a different kind of magnetic therapy than this one, because I think the center only exists around San Diego, and a lot of military guys come back and use it, football players, people with head injuries, and someone recommended it to her, and it helped her tremendously.
Really brought her back.
greg fitzsimmons
Yeah, there's some real breakthroughs going on because, you know, people are—and they still use, like, electric shock therapy.
joe rogan
Yeah.
greg fitzsimmons
And, you know, with pretty good results but a lot of side effects.
joe rogan
Did you get hit in the head a lot when you were a kid?
greg fitzsimmons
Sometimes.
joe rogan
But was there any, like, moments where you'd get knocked out?
greg fitzsimmons
I don't think I ever got knocked out.
joe rogan
Did you ever get hit with a bat or a fastball?
greg fitzsimmons
I played hockey, so I used to check people a lot, get knocked down.
joe rogan
Did you get really hurt doing that?
greg fitzsimmons
Nah, never that.
My neck.
My neck is still fucked up to this day from a check, a head check that I made.
But no, I don't think I ever had any concussions.
joe rogan
My friend Mark...
greg fitzsimmons
No, mine runs in the family.
My mom, my dad's got it.
It's very genetic depression.
joe rogan
No, I'm sure it is.
But I think it's accentuated by trauma.
greg fitzsimmons
Yeah.
joe rogan
And that's why I was asking you.
Because even though you probably...
I mean, I know you played a lot of hockey.
Even though you probably don't think about it.
Like, every time you collide and even falling down and slamming into the walls and shit like that.
unidentified
Oh, that's true.
greg fitzsimmons
Yeah, there was a lot of that.
joe rogan
All that stuff rattles your brain.
greg fitzsimmons
Yeah.
joe rogan
Believe it or not, people get concussions from getting hit in the chest sometimes.
greg fitzsimmons
Really?
joe rogan
Yeah.
Here's Kat Singano.
It says EEG and vitals for my FDA approved to treat migraines, depression, improves anxiety, PTSD, TBI, sleep, ADHD, etc.
Now accepting insurance and TRICARE. Mindset Rancho Bernardo.
Check them out.
You can find this on Kat Zingano's Twitter page.
She's got a picture of her with this apparatus on her head.
But I know it helped her.
greg fitzsimmons
Yeah, I've heard of EEG. It's really effective.
joe rogan
It helped her a lot.
She could talk about What sparring was like before and afterwards.
Her coordination was off.
That's one of the things that happens to people when they get brain damage.
If they get knocked out or bad concussions is your system's not firing correctly.
So you'll see their body's not moving right.
greg fitzsimmons
So it almost resets the hard drive.
joe rogan
It's damaged.
It's just damaged.
The signals aren't getting to the muscles correctly.
One of the things that you see in older boxers when they've taken too many horrible fights and they're really starting to lose it is their steps look shorter.
Their legs are closer together.
They're having a harder time moving.
They don't have the confidence to have the balance to move around and their systems short circuiting.
greg fitzsimmons
Yeah.
joe rogan
You know, and you're seeing it in their coordination.
It's a weird thing to see too.
I've seen it in fighters where I remember them in their prime and then I see them now and I'm like, whoa, there's two possibilities.
It could be an injury.
It could be dealing with an injury.
But if you find out there's no injury, you're like, ooh, this is not good.
greg fitzsimmons
No, just look at Ben Roethlisberger out there in the pocket.
When he tries to run, it's like little steps, no movement in the shoulders.
And that guy used to be fast back there, but he's gotten hit a lot.
joe rogan
Just no getting away from it, man.
It is what it is.
greg fitzsimmons
Have you ever been knocked out?
joe rogan
Yeah, yeah.
Not unconscious.
I got stopped in a kickboxing match.
I got hit with a big left hook.
Boom!
My legs went out from under me.
It was crazy.
It didn't even hurt.
It was like, because you're full of adrenaline, so you don't feel it.
In terms of like, uh, ouchie.
It's not like ouchie hurt, but it's like, it wasn't like a painful thing.
It was like, bing, and then my legs just stopped working.
I'm like, whoa, what the fuck?
That was the hardest I ever been hit.
Cause it was just on the button.
It was a perfect.
I zigged when I should have, I was exhausted already.
This is my third fight of the day.
In a kickboxing tournament.
Crank.
And my legs just went, whoopsies!
greg fitzsimmons
You're pretty lucky with all the fighting you did that you never got knocked out.
joe rogan
Super lucky.
But I definitely got hit in the head.
A bunch.
Even though I didn't get knocked out, there's a lot of sparring.
There was a lot of getting punched in the face.
There was a lot of getting kicked in the head.
Less kicked in the head, believe it or not, because I was terrified.
I was always moving fast.
greg fitzsimmons
Did you wear helmets?
joe rogan
No.
We would wear these things.
The first tournaments, we used to wear these things on the back of the head.
And that was so when you get knocked out, your fucking head doesn't bounce too hard off the ground.
I'm not bullshitting.
greg fitzsimmons
They pick one spot.
joe rogan
There's a video of me fighting with one of those on.
There's a video of me on YouTube.
I've got this spot in the back of my head that looks like a bald spot like I would have if I had hair now.
greg fitzsimmons
Like a yarmulke?
joe rogan
Yeah, it's a red plastic thing.
It's hard to tell because it's a shitty video, but that red plastic thing was basically like a spongy thing that they used to use in Taekwondo terms.
Because first, it was no padding.
And then eventually they made people start wearing these helmets.
And they're basically like these cushiony helmets that go over the top of the head and you gotta strap them out underneath.
See how that guy's wearing it?
The white guy.
See the guy in the background or the right side that's wearing the white thing?
That's the standard one.
What I'm wearing is just the pad on the back of my head.
See that?
There's like a red thing in the back of my head.
That's in case I got KO'd.
Because we're fighting on a fucking...
This is a basketball court.
This is a wood floor.
greg fitzsimmons
That was you?
joe rogan
There's no protection.
That was me knocking that guy out.
This is me when I'm 19. Oh, shit.
So this was where we fought all the time.
We always fought on hardwood floors.
greg fitzsimmons
That's crazy!
joe rogan
Oh, way crazier than this.
Ready for this?
The Bay State Games.
I fought in the Bay State Games.
We fought on a tarp that was laid out over a cement floor.
unidentified
Wow.
joe rogan
Yeah, and I knocked a guy out and his head bounced off the cement.
greg fitzsimmons
Oh my God.
joe rogan
I kicked this dude in the head and his head bounced off cement.
I'll never forget that sound.
unidentified
Shit.
joe rogan
I was 19. I didn't know what the fuck to do.
This is where the tournament was.
This is okay.
This is okay.
We're going to do this.
greg fitzsimmons
Yeah.
joe rogan
We're going to fight here.
If that was today, I would be like, are you guys out of your fucking mind?
I would be screaming.
If I went with my kid...
And he was supposed to fight in a tournament, and I got there and there was a thin plastic tarp stretched out over a smooth concrete floor.
I'm like, what the fuck are you talking about?
Are you crazy?
You need pads.
You need people to make sure they don't go out of bounds.
This is just tarp laid down over concrete.
greg fitzsimmons
Wow.
joe rogan
It was so, so dangerous.
So I definitely got my noggin rattled.
greg fitzsimmons
Yeah.
joe rogan
A gang of times.
greg fitzsimmons
Yeah.
joe rogan
I don't know how many times.
greg fitzsimmons
I used to do gymnastics for like six years, starting when I was like six.
joe rogan
Can you do backflip?
greg fitzsimmons
Oh yeah, I used to do double backs.
joe rogan
No way!
greg fitzsimmons
No, I trained for like six years hard.
joe rogan
No way!
How did I not know this?
greg fitzsimmons
Yeah, so I used to do round off back handspring into a double back.
joe rogan
Can you still do that?
greg fitzsimmons
I haven't tried a single back in a while, but I could do standing backflips until a few years ago.
Wow!
joe rogan
No shit!
Dude, I've always wanted to learn how to do that.
greg fitzsimmons
I over-rotated a flip one time and I fucking slammed my head in the mats back then.
When you see floor exercise today, it's not even the same sport.
It's all springboard with like two inches of padding.
When we did it, it was those fucking rubber, you know, half-inch thick mats that you roll out and the corners come popping up.
That's what we used to do it on.
joe rogan
Yeah.
greg fitzsimmons
Yeah, so you were fucking twisting your ankle all the time landing on that shit.
joe rogan
How bad did you fuck your head up when you landed?
greg fitzsimmons
It was bad.
My injuries were my ankles, though.
I used to fuck up my...
And then, you know, you can't do anything for a little while.
joe rogan
So, the reason why I keep asking about head trauma is because my friend Mark Gordon, he's an expert in traumatic brain injury.
He's an endocrinologist and he studies a lot of soldiers and he's written a bunch of papers on soldiers, former football players, fighters.
He's worked with a bunch of people that have had brain injuries.
And his conclusion, like, and a lot of them that were suicidal, a lot of them that are severely depressed.
And his conclusion is that for a lot of them, what happened was damage to the pituitary gland that stopped them from producing hormones correctly.
And it leads to severe lack of energy, depression.
And it's almost always correlated with head trauma and oftentimes head trauma that people forgot about.
They didn't think it's that big of a deal.
But it could be literally wiping out on a jet ski, slamming into the water.
Skiing.
Yeah.
And then you're fucked up for years and you don't know why.
Skiing for sure.
Falling down, hitting your head, snowboarding is really common.
greg fitzsimmons
Yeah.
joe rogan
I've never snowboarded, but apparently when the board kicks up, your feet go up in the air and the fucking head comes down.
greg fitzsimmons
Oh, yeah.
joe rogan
That's how people get got.
greg fitzsimmons
Well, and you gotta wear a helmet.
joe rogan
Yeah.
greg fitzsimmons
And a lot of kids don't.
joe rogan
Yeah.
I've heard of kids getting fucked up.
greg fitzsimmons
Hell yeah.
joe rogan
But so all those things contribute to the foot.
Your brain is super delicate.
You know, it's really complicated machinery.
It's like when you drop your iPhone, maybe you drop it once.
How many times did you drop your iPhone?
You dropped it three times today.
Hey, hey, hey, put a fucking case on that thing.
I mean, they do these drop tests, right?
They do drop tests where they drop it over concrete and see how good it is.
Your head is similar in that you can get away with getting racked in the head.
But I was in Hawaii recently, and I dropped my phone the last time.
You know, you drop your phone, you know it's getting a little wonky, and then you drop it the last time, and it's just gone.
It's Gonzo.
It's Gonzoville.
It was just calling people.
Really?
Yeah, I was showing someone.
I had the phone open, and I was like, watch, watch.
It's on the contacts.
Look, it's just going to start calling people.
It just started calling people, and I'd hang up, and they would just call somebody else, and I'd hang up, and we'd just call somebody else.
It was just falling apart.
It wouldn't let me log in anymore.
It wasn't sensing my fingers touching the screen to put in the key code.
greg fitzsimmons
Was your shit all backed up?
joe rogan
Yeah, yeah, yeah.
It was all backed up, but it was like, God damn it.
unidentified
Yeah.
joe rogan
God damn it.
greg fitzsimmons
Yep.
joe rogan
Yeah.
greg fitzsimmons
I smashed my screen.
I didn't give a fuck.
joe rogan
Your head's like that.
That's my point.
unidentified
Yeah.
joe rogan
Your head's like that.
Like, if I didn't get that one last drop, maybe a phone would have been all right.
greg fitzsimmons
Yeah.
joe rogan
I would have kept that phone today.
greg fitzsimmons
Yeah.
joe rogan
You know, maybe I would have looked at the new phones when I don't need that.
It's basically with the same phone.
greg fitzsimmons
Right.
joe rogan
Nope.
Drop.
Smack.
greg fitzsimmons
I'm reading this book now about, speaking of changing your brain, it's called How to Change Your Mind.
It's got Michael Pollan.
joe rogan
Yeah, yeah.
He's been on the podcast talking about it.
greg fitzsimmons
Oh, no shit!
joe rogan
Yeah, it's a great episode.
greg fitzsimmons
Did he talk about his new book?
It's basically about psychedelics and LSD and mushrooms in particular.
It traces the whole fucking history of it.
I had no idea how much research was done back in the 50s and 60s.
I mean, they had conclusive studies that were showing with – Alcoholism, people were 70% of people that underwent these treatments with psychedelics got sober.
joe rogan
Yeah.
greg fitzsimmons
Depression.
joe rogan
Cigarettes.
greg fitzsimmons
Cigarettes.
joe rogan
Yeah.
greg fitzsimmons
I mean, it's amazing.
And all that shit just got fucking thrown away.
joe rogan
Yeah.
Corrupt people kept that information away from folks.
The studies that Nixon funded, like Nixon funded a bunch of studies that showed positive benefits of marijuana.
unidentified
Yeah.
greg fitzsimmons
Oh, is that right?
joe rogan
And they, you know, the Nixon administration just fucking canned them.
Like, get out of here with this shit.
I'm not releasing this.
greg fitzsimmons
Well, and the other thing he mentions is that it got squashed by shrinks because they had a vested interest in people not going into the woods for a weekend and coming back without their depression.
Really?
unidentified
You think so?
greg fitzsimmons
Yeah, so they disqualified all the studies.
Oh, fuck yeah!
The psychiatrists were, like, horrified that these kind of results were coming back.
joe rogan
Was it that for sure, or was it people who've never taken psychedelics horrified that people were out there experimenting with their consciousness?
Because I think a lot of these psychiatrists are probably really straight-laced guys.
And so in their mind, especially in the shadows of reefer madness and all the propaganda they'd heard in the 30s and 40s, when you look at those people and they're out there in the fucking desert or wherever they're going, dancing around, taking mushrooms under the moonlight, they're blowing their brains out here.
You've got to stop this.
unidentified
Right.
joe rogan
If there are straight-laced people that have never done psychedelics, they might not be in cahoots.
It might more likely be a bunch of people that think it's a fucking terrible idea to let people run around taking acid.
greg fitzsimmons
Well, there was just some of the medical journals came out with pieces saying that none of these studies are valid because there wasn't...
I forget what it is about studies that have to be consistent.
But the other thing is it was political, and you had Timothy Leary, who was, you know, the worst thing to happen to this kind of testing, because he was saying, was it drop out?
joe rogan
Tune in, turn on, drop out.
greg fitzsimmons
And that whole idea, they said, you know, people taking LSD are not going to fight your wars, and so that became a threat to the status quo.
joe rogan
Wow.
greg fitzsimmons
And that's when the laws started to come out.
unidentified
Huh.
joe rogan
It's interesting because he also got a lot of people to get excited about it.
greg fitzsimmons
Right.
joe rogan
Yeah.
greg fitzsimmons
But he took it away from it being a medical process and he made it about, you know, enlightenment but in a kind of fluffy spiritual way.
joe rogan
Well, he made it a big movement, right?
I think he thought that he was probably going to change the world with that movement.
greg fitzsimmons
Yeah.
joe rogan
And he kind of did.
Definitely had a big impact.
Think about all those people that took acid.
Think about if you really stop and think about Apple and you really look at the fact that Apple...
Steve Jobs said that taking acid was one of the greatest things that's ever happened to him.
It was famously talked about it.
And who knows what an impact that had on him deciding to start Apple and what an impact Apple has had in the technology world.
greg fitzsimmons
Oh no, Pollan talks about it in the book.
He draws a straight line from people starting to take all this stuff because it was happening in Silicon Valley.
This whole psychedelic movement was like right in that area.
And he says that it, you know, Bill Gates apparently took it once.
But that all those guys were coming in and there were these people that would lead.
There was a guy named...
joe rogan
Ram Dass?
greg fitzsimmons
No, Hubbard.
Well, Ram Dass is mentioned also.
But there was a guy named Hubbard who was really like a corporate version of LSD. He was going to companies and he was taking the CEOs of companies and taking them in for these three-day drop acid experiences.
unidentified
Right.
joe rogan
Wow.
Wow.
Corporate acid.
Well, they're kind of doing that at Burning Man.
greg fitzsimmons
Oh, is that right?
joe rogan
Some corporations go to, I mean, not a lot, but there's some cool companies that go to Burning Man.
greg fitzsimmons
Yeah.
joe rogan
You know?
What's this?
Alfred Matthew Hubbard.
He's an early proponent of the drug LSD during the 1950s.
He is reputed to be the Johnny Appleseed of LSD, and the first person to emphasize LSD's potential as a visionary.
Or transcendental drug.
greg fitzsimmons
But this guy had a fucking life.
Somebody's got to do a movie about his life.
He was like working for the government.
He was a double agent.
joe rogan
While he was dropping acid?
greg fitzsimmons
He started with nothing.
No, I think before, during, and after.
He had like eight different careers.
And he was like a spy and...
He started with nothing and ended up with a bunch of airplanes that he was leasing out, became a millionaire, and then spent it all trying to educate people on LSD. He was worth tens of millions of dollars, and he ended up broke at the end.
joe rogan
Wow.
greg fitzsimmons
Yeah.
joe rogan
Wow.
greg fitzsimmons
All for the LSD. He believed in it so strongly that it was going to change the world.
And it would have.
It may still.
Now it's coming back.
joe rogan
Well, there was a little hiccup where several generations had to pass before people started understanding that there's a risk to everything.
There's a risk to sports.
There's a risk to every fucking thing you do.
Driving your car is a risk.
There's a risk with psychedelics.
But there's also a reward.
And I think if you're going to be honest, you have to look at both of them.
You have to look at the potential risk.
You have to look at the reward.
And they're not looking at the reward.
There's too many people out there that are trying to deny the reward.
And you've got to find out why.
And in this day and age, it might be...
A conspiracy.
It might be some pharmaceutical industry that doesn't want it to be legal because it would undermine their profits.
It might be.
It might be some law enforcement unions that think it's a bad idea to make less things illegal.
It'll take, you know...
greg fitzsimmons
Prisons.
joe rogan
Yeah, it'll take people away, you know, in terms of the amount of people that they need for the job.
You know, which I think that's another story.
But when you, you know...
People look at that kind of stuff, and you look at the underlying sort of patterns that we follow in this country.
Are you happy or not happy with the way things go, the way things are run?
greg fitzsimmons
In what sense?
joe rogan
Just in any sense, in all of it.
greg fitzsimmons
I trust that we do have the best system out there, and we challenge it every day, and I still think that we live in a place where the tenants of our society are in place.
joe rogan
For sure.
greg fitzsimmons
They swing one way or the other, but I still believe in democracy, and I think the internet, as an overall thing, has been positive for people getting their voices out and for...
joe rogan
For information, period.
unidentified
Yeah.
joe rogan
Being distributed.
But the idea that we're faced with that in this day and age, there's grown adults telling other grown adults what they can and can't put in their body.
greg fitzsimmons
Yeah.
joe rogan
And they're not being honest about the benefits.
greg fitzsimmons
Right.
joe rogan
That's where it gets squirrely.
That's where the whole thing falls apart.
Like, you're just a guy.
Like, if you and I are the only two people on the planet, and you're like, hey man, I'm not going to let you take that acid.
Like, why?
unidentified
Why?
joe rogan
Well, because it's illegal.
Look, I wrote it down.
Can't take the acid.
greg fitzsimmons
Right.
joe rogan
Well, that would be preposterous.
greg fitzsimmons
Yeah.
joe rogan
But somehow or another it works when there's a million people.
Then a person can tell, you know, if you're a fucking grown adult, you can't tell me what I can take.
That's stupid.
greg fitzsimmons
Yeah.
joe rogan
If you can't prove beyond a shadow of a doubt that what I'm going to take is going to fuck with you, if you can't prove that, then stop.
greg fitzsimmons
Yeah.
joe rogan
Look, if someone does something, if takes something and does something, they take PCP and they run face first through a fucking 7-Eleven window, that's on them.
That's on their actions.
It doesn't mean you shouldn't be able to try PCP. And I don't think you should try PCP. I think when enough people smash through windows and go crazy, go, hey, maybe that's a drug I should fucking avoid.
But that's how you find out about that.
You let grown adults make their own decisions.
And if you're the one who's making the decisions for all the grown adults, you better have some real fucking logic to what you're saying.
And it turns out they don't.
greg fitzsimmons
And this is the same society that allows the pharmaceuticals to peddle opiates to people for the last 30 years, saying that it was the greatest thing you could do.
joe rogan
Exactly.
I think it's good that they make money because they make medicine that helps a lot of people.
They're not all bad.
I think, in general, pharmaceuticals have helped people in tremendous ways.
But you can't deny that if there's some way, shape, or form that people are influencing other people having access to beneficial things because it would impact their profit line, That's evil.
That's evil.
You have a lot of fucking money.
If you're really going out of your way to hire lobbyists to make sure that mushrooms don't get on the table, come on, man.
You're a fucking real problem.
That's a real problem.
If you look at yin and yang, this is the opposing forces that we're battling to try to get total, complete freedom of your consciousness.
These are the opposing forces.
They're ignorance.
Like, these psychiatrists, I guarantee you these psychiatrists were worried about correlations between psychotic episodes and psychedelic drug use, and they're worried about people falling apart, and they're right.
They're right.
So the ones that wanted to get it illegal, they're right.
It's like working on backflips when there's a fucking thin pad under you.
Yeah, you can fall on your head.
greg fitzsimmons
You're right.
joe rogan
And we say, don't do gymnastics!
People fall on their head.
One out of ten falls on their head.
You're not doing gymnastics.
You're not falling on your fucking head.
greg fitzsimmons
Right.
joe rogan
It's the same thing.
It's the same thing.
So people worry about it that don't really have experience in it.
I guarantee you most of those psychiatrists just didn't have experience in it or were super cautious folks.
Because if they did have experience with it, maybe they try a little mushroom dose and they'd be like, wow, this is amazing.
greg fitzsimmons
Right, and also controlling, you know, set and setting they keep talking about, you know, and realizing that the, you know, occurrence of a psychotic episode is so much lower when it's, you know, when it's being dispensed the right way.
joe rogan
Yeah, so much lower.
greg fitzsimmons
You ever been led through it by somebody?
unidentified
Not really.
greg fitzsimmons
Like, when you did ayahuasca, was there, like, a guide?
joe rogan
I didn't do ayahuasca.
I just did DMT. Oh.
Aubrey, my friend Aubrey acted as a, like, he sort of, like, set the setting in a way where it was, you know, I would say, like, spiritual.
Like, not...
Not over the top, but just announcing your intentions.
That we're going into this.
We're going in this.
We're going to let go.
We're going to give thanks to all the spirits around us and all the energy around us.
Just go into this with a good intention.
Be grateful.
Go into it with gratitude.
And then the way it hits you, it hits you like Like an infinite cyclone of geometric patterns in impossible colors just blasting in your brain instantaneously and you're like Going into it with the intention of letting go is probably one of the best pieces of advice you could give people to avoid a freakout.
greg fitzsimmons
Right.
Go with it.
joe rogan
Let it go.
Just let yourself go.
And what it's trying to do is your ego is trying to wrestle with this grizzly bear, this enormous short-faced bear on steroids.
Your ego is trying to wrestle with this impossible-to-resist force.
And that's what leads to a lot of people freaking out.
greg fitzsimmons
So losing your ego is the ultimate goal of it?
joe rogan
I don't think anybody ever really loses their ego.
I think you keep it in check.
You lose some of it.
You keep some of it because it's part of your survival mechanism.
The real problem is having a healthy ego.
You know?
Like...
Like, if your wife looks good, and she's looking at herself in the mirror, she's like, I look good.
You look fucking great.
I do look good.
Like, she feels good.
That's ego, right?
You want to know you look good.
But it's not a bad ego.
It's fun.
You know what I'm saying?
Yeah.
The real problem is when it gets out of control and toxic, then it looks like, ugh.
Other people see it, and they're like, ew.
You know, you see gross...
Just gross behavior, gross selfishness.
You see that and you go, oh, that's the bad part of the ego.
That's what I'm seeing.
But the key is to know which is which.
And that's hard.
It's hard to know which is which.
Which one is the overwhelming force inside your mind?
Which one is the one that's controlling your consciousness and your behavior?
Is it the good one or the bad one?
Is it the fun, healthy one?
Or is it the one that is completely obsessed with yourself and only yourself?
You don't know until you have these experiences.
And then the nature of them gets exposed.
It takes them down to the roots.
And you start thinking about, where did all this come from?
What's the source of all this?
There's a validation issue.
There's this issue.
There's a trust issue.
There's a...
Whatever the fuck it is, it's swirling out of that in this unnatural form to create the negative behavior that you are manifesting in your life.
All of it comes from something.
And one of the things about psychedelic experiences is it shuts the ego off for a second and lets you stand outside of it and go, look what that thing's doing to you.
Look at this thing.
This thing's gross.
Not only that, it doesn't work.
Here's, for example, ego that doesn't work.
Name-dropping.
Like, if you're hanging out with someone and he's like, yeah, you know, Sean Penn was over my house last night, man.
Right.
greg fitzsimmons
You know what?
Jeremy Piven was just telling me about that last week.
joe rogan
Name-dropping?
greg fitzsimmons
Just kidding.
Why that name?
joe rogan
But, like, it doesn't really work.
unidentified
Yeah.
joe rogan
But everybody knows you're name-dropping.
You know, like, yeah, Steven Spielberg and I are pretty tight.
You're like, what?
greg fitzsimmons
Yeah.
joe rogan
But it's one thing, if you told me you went over Sean Penn's house, I'd be like, oh, what's he like?
Then it wouldn't be name-dropping.
If you did it, it wouldn't be name-dropping.
If you told me I was hanging out with Sean Penn, I'd be like, oh, how weird.
greg fitzsimmons
Well, because it's the beginning of a story.
I'm not just going to let that hang as a follow-up.
joe rogan
Yeah, that's not your whole thing.
greg fitzsimmons
Yeah.
joe rogan
Right, so comedy is like name-dropping with stories.
greg fitzsimmons
Yeah.
joe rogan
With good stories that go with it.
greg fitzsimmons
But you know there are comedians that are really guileless about just bringing a name in or bringing up a project they worked on.
And you look back at the joke and you go...
Could have told that joke without telling me that Frank Sinatra was in the audience that night.
joe rogan
Yes, exactly.
Yeah.
greg fitzsimmons
And I remember Anthony Clark used to do that when he was coming up in Boston.
He was the guy, the young, hot guy in Boston.
joe rogan
Dude.
greg fitzsimmons
And I mean, that dude, you put his name on a marquee, and he was fucking one year out of college, and he was this cute guy with the southern accent and the baseball cap on, and he was silly, and he would fill up a fucking room, and he would just...
And then he started to get some success, and it always found his way in his act.
He would talk about, yeah, you know, I was talking to this actor when I was doing Chicago on Broadway, and...
No, not Chicago.
What did he do?
Oklahoma.
He did Oklahoma on Broadway.
When he was like 24 years old.
joe rogan
Wow.
greg fitzsimmons
And then he just started...
He got in with River Phoenix and he did like three River Phoenix movies.
And he was fucking good.
And then somehow he got into the TV route and didn't follow the film route.
But he's a good actor.
joe rogan
Yeah, I remember he had Boston Common.
Remember that?
greg fitzsimmons
Boston Common.
joe rogan
And that didn't go.
It went for a little while, but it got canceled.
And it was a show that was all his.
greg fitzsimmons
Right.
joe rogan
And then he went to do Yes, Dear.
And he did Yes, Dear for a long time.
greg fitzsimmons
No, but then he did one with Dan Aykroyd.
joe rogan
Oh, he did?
greg fitzsimmons
Where Dan Aykroyd was a priest.
Maybe they were both priests.
joe rogan
Really?
greg fitzsimmons
Yeah.
Really?
That might have been F. Because Yes, Dear was on a good seven, eight years, easily.
joe rogan
Forever.
greg fitzsimmons
Yeah.
joe rogan
Yeah.
jamie vernon
Soul man.
joe rogan
Soul man.
greg fitzsimmons
So that dude, and his quote per episode was very high from the get-go.
And he just kept buying real estate.
joe rogan
Well, that's what he does now, right?
greg fitzsimmons
You haven't talked to him in a while.
joe rogan
I think I heard he sells real estate now.
greg fitzsimmons
Yeah.
I always liked Anthony.
joe rogan
He was a murderer back in Boston.
I reached to see him at Faneuil Hall, and he would fill that fucking place.
The comedy connection when they moved, when Blumenwright took over and they moved to the big room, and they moved out of that little tiny room and put it in Faneuil Hall.
I remember walking through there one day, and Anthony Clark was murdering, and I was like, this is 90% women.
This is so weird.
greg fitzsimmons
Oh, is that right?
joe rogan
It's all women.
greg fitzsimmons
Yeah.
joe rogan
They'd all come to see him.
Guys loved him, too.
Don't get me wrong, but women really loved him.
They thought he was so cute, you know?
greg fitzsimmons
Well, they say that's the secret to being a draw, is appeal to women, because they're the ones that decide what to do at night.
joe rogan
Yes.
Yeah.
Right.
Like, there's not a whole lot of chicks begging to go to Slayer.
Right?
greg fitzsimmons
And if they are, take them.
That's a good one.
joe rogan
Yeah, they want to go see someone cute.
I bet there's probably a disproportionate number of chicks going to see Aquaman.
I bet if you looked at the number of women that want to go see a superhero movie and the number of women that want to go see Aquaman, it's off the charts in Aquaman's favor.
Someone should do a study.
That's a handsome man.
greg fitzsimmons
What's his name?
joe rogan
Jason Momoa.
He was badass in Game of Thrones.
He's a beast, too.
greg fitzsimmons
Yeah.
joe rogan
Super nice guy, too.
I met that guy in a Whole Foods.
He's a sweetheart.
Sort of.
Just telling you how sweetheart he is.
Like, you're so handsome.
It's confusing.
So tall and beautiful.
greg fitzsimmons
I'm feeling weird feelings right now.
joe rogan
Yeah, look at that guy.
greg fitzsimmons
Yeah.
joe rogan
Yeah.
My wife said it best.
She said, he's everybody's type.
She's like, you know, some girls, Brad Pitt's their type.
You know, some girls, it's, you know, fill in the blank.
greg fitzsimmons
Yeah.
joe rogan
Some girls is Jimmy Fallon.
greg fitzsimmons
Look at that.
joe rogan
Yeah, he's everybody's type.
And he's a giant.
greg fitzsimmons
And he's got awesome tattoos.
joe rogan
And he's a fucking nice guy.
greg fitzsimmons
Are those his real tattoos?
joe rogan
I don't believe so.
I think that's just for Aquaman.
That's his tattoos for Aquaman.
What are his real tattoos?
He's got a gang of real tattoos.
The forearm ones, I think, is his real tattoos.
Yeah.
greg fitzsimmons
Boy, that takes some time and makeup because if he's doing a role where they don't want that, that's a lot of time covering that shit up every day.
joe rogan
I don't think they have to cover up shit with him.
greg fitzsimmons
Yeah.
joe rogan
Let that beautiful face get on screen.
Let all those dampened panties do the talking.
unidentified
Woo!
greg fitzsimmons
See you again tomorrow, ma'am.
joe rogan
Woo!
Yeah, girls are going to that movie.
greg fitzsimmons
It's like a porn theater in Times Square in the 70s for women.
joe rogan
It's probably like thick.
greg fitzsimmons
Slipping their hands down.
joe rogan
Thick with moisture in the air.
You're fanning yourself off.
All these little heaters.
greg fitzsimmons
You're walking out.
joe rogan
Crotch heaters.
greg fitzsimmons
Your feet are stuck on the floor.
You think it's the popcorn butter?
Nope.
joe rogan
Yeah.
How do we get on subject to him?
Aquaman, girls, porn.
Anthony Clark.
Oh yeah, girls deciding what to go see.
greg fitzsimmons
Yeah, right.
joe rogan
Yeah, girls would be, they'd be like, yeah, let's go see Aquaman.
And you'd be like, wait a minute, I thought you hate superhero movies.
Whatever.
You want to go?
greg fitzsimmons
Yeah.
You're like, shit!
joe rogan
She wants to stare at Jason Momoa.
greg fitzsimmons
Fuck!
Right.
joe rogan
He is pretty beautiful.
You watch him on screen.
unidentified
Damn it!
greg fitzsimmons
Yeah.
unidentified
Shit!
joe rogan
I can't hate her.
greg fitzsimmons
You think some women watch MMA for that reason?
I think some guys are cute.
joe rogan
Fuck yeah!
Fuck yeah!
Not only cute, but savages.
greg fitzsimmons
Right.
joe rogan
I mean, the number of women with sketchy childhoods that are attracted to MMA fighters is going to be off the charts.
greg fitzsimmons
Yeah.
joe rogan
I don't want to say that in a very polite way.
As polite as I can say it.
I think even regular women, I think like lawyers, like buttoned-down women.
greg fitzsimmons
Yeah.
Oh, because they're around neutered men all day.
joe rogan
Yeah, you're around a guy like, you know who Luke Rockhold is?
greg fitzsimmons
No.
joe rogan
Might be better looking than Jay's mama.
And he's a UFC, he was middleweight champion.
Beautiful.
Six foot three, six foot four, somewhere in that range.
Perfect features.
Looks like a model.
Handsome as fuck.
greg fitzsimmons
God, I want to see him.
joe rogan
Look at him.
greg fitzsimmons
Oh, yeah.
joe rogan
Ass kicker.
That's not the best picture of him, bro.
That's kind of gay.
greg fitzsimmons
That's after a fight.
joe rogan
Yeah.
greg fitzsimmons
See him before a fight.
joe rogan
He's a beast.
But point is, there's guarantee.
Go to that one above with the blue shorts on.
What you see is, look at that handsome bastard.
Look at him.
greg fitzsimmons
Yeah, he's got a good build.
That's the kind of build my wife likes.
She doesn't like it too big.
She likes it like me and him.
joe rogan
Slow down.
You and him are the same?
The fuck?
For sure, girls are watching that guy, though.
Like, okay, here's another one.
George St. Pierre.
100%.
Look at that.
Beautiful body.
greg fitzsimmons
Oh, yeah.
George St. Pierre is beautiful.
joe rogan
George St. Pierre literally has to beat women away from him.
greg fitzsimmons
Yeah.
joe rogan
Get away.
Get away from me.
I'm busy.
I am busy.
Go to that picture up there where he's throwing a punch.
The one right there.
Look at that.
I mean, you don't think girls would be begging to have that inside of them.
greg fitzsimmons
Let's just be honest.
joe rogan
If I was a woman, if I was a heterosexual woman, and I saw that guy, and he was like, would you like a drink?
I'd be like, fuck yes, I'd like a drink.
God damn, you savage.
Let's do this.
greg fitzsimmons
Yeah, I want a drink.
Can we have it after you fuck me?
joe rogan
Yeah, I don't want to get too drunk.
I want to feel it still.
unidentified
Woo!
Yeah.
greg fitzsimmons
And they go after it?
Are some of the players?
Some of the fighters?
joe rogan
Oh, I don't want to talk about that.
greg fitzsimmons
That would be rude.
joe rogan
How dare you.
Kiss and tell.
But another thing that's interesting is female fighters, right?
I was reading a story about a husband who's a trainer, I think, and his wife was a boxer.
And I was reading a story about him...
Like, his experience, like, bringing her to the ring.
Like, getting her...
His wife is in there, and she's gonna knuckle up with some other chick and beat that shit, and maybe get really fucking hurt.
greg fitzsimmons
Yeah.
joe rogan
And to be there while this is all happening, that's a wild...
That's a wild life.
A female fighter is a wild creature.
You gotta think, a male fighter, it's like almost all boys, somewhere in the back of their head, have this...
Ridiculous fantasy of being able to fuck everybody up.
Like, yeah, come on, bitch!
You know, fight a bunch of people like a goddamn Chuck Norris movie and karate kick people.
That would be cool.
It's just the reality of learning how to do that.
It's like, oh, I don't want to do that.
That's too much.
It's too dangerous to scare.
Fuck this.
And most people don't do it.
But for women to have that is probably way more rare.
To have this desire to secretly fuck people up.
Probably way more rare.
Maybe like, let's be generous and say 20% of the number that men would want to fuck people up.
Maybe 20% of that is like the number that would be women.
So then how many of them go through with it?
greg fitzsimmons
Yeah.
joe rogan
How many of them go through with it and get to be like a Kat Zingano?
Or get to be like an Amanda Nunes?
Like, Jesus Christ.
That number's so small.
unidentified
Yeah.
joe rogan
So small in terms of like general population.
Those are some wild humans.
If they get to that stage where they're fighting in a fucking cage for a living.
unidentified
Woo!
greg fitzsimmons
Yeah.
joe rogan
Someone like Holly Holm.
Like that is a crazy way to make a living.
greg fitzsimmons
Yeah.
Yeah, and you gotta think if they make it that far, they're even more vicious than men because they've, you know, there's such a social taboo for them.
For men, it's like, oh, that's badass.
You're an MMA fighter.
But for women, everybody just thinks it's weird and they think there's something wrong with you.
joe rogan
Well, it's become more acceptable, but it's still terrifying, especially for men that don't train.
Like, for a man who doesn't train and he's, like, around Misha Tate, she's really hot, and she can also fuck people up.
They get weirded out.
Like, Imagine, that girl could fuck you up.
She's hot and she could fuck you up.
That's not nice.
greg fitzsimmons
Some guys probably love that.
People like that bondage where they're tied up and overpowered.
joe rogan
But one of the odds that a girl who knows how to fuck people up is looking for that kind of guy.
Almost zero.
greg fitzsimmons
Yeah, that's true.
joe rogan
Those girls are looking for guys like Luke Rockhold.
They're looking to get stuffed by another alpha.
greg fitzsimmons
That would be a good porn movie right there.
Shit.
That would go for days.
joe rogan
What they should do is bank it.
Like, Luke Rock will just shoot a lot of porn and bank it.
And then have it release after he's retired from his career.
greg fitzsimmons
Yeah.
joe rogan
You know, because right now it's just going to get in the way.
greg fitzsimmons
Yeah.
joe rogan
It's going to be a distraction.
greg fitzsimmons
Right.
But he knows that's his 401k.
My porn.
joe rogan
Yeah.
Um...
Yeah, it's the numbers of women that become elite fighters.
I wonder what it is in terms of like the amount that try it and then the amount that become fully successful.
I bet it's a tiny, tiny percentage.
greg fitzsimmons
Yeah.
joe rogan
Like to get all the way through.
Like how many...
How many men when you were growing up, how many guys either wanted to learn how to box or wrestle or do some kind of martial arts?
greg fitzsimmons
A lot of wrestlers.
joe rogan
Yeah.
greg fitzsimmons
Yeah.
joe rogan
I mean, it was a school sport.
greg fitzsimmons
There was taekwondo and there was wrestling.
Those were pretty much the only forms that I saw.
We didn't have boxing in my town.
joe rogan
But a lot of kids you knew were into it, right?
greg fitzsimmons
Oh, yeah.
Yeah.
joe rogan
How many girls?
greg fitzsimmons
I can't think of any.
joe rogan
Super rare.
But the martial arts classes did have a lot of girls.
It's kind of interesting.
It was a good number.
It wasn't half, but it might have been 20%.
It might be 20% women that were in those classes because they wanted to learn self-defense.
greg fitzsimmons
I put my daughter in taekwondo.
She wasn't that into it, but I go, just do a year, just to give you some sense of facing somebody if a fight happens.
joe rogan
Yeah.
And some sense of what it's like to struggle with someone physically.
They're moving, you've got to move with them, you've got to...
The older you are, when you start learning that, the more difficult it is to incorporate into the way you think about things.
I think when you're young, if you have some experience with martial arts, you'll be more calm and confident if something happens when you get older.
You develop knowing how to move that way.
greg fitzsimmons
Yeah.
joe rogan
When you're already kind of set in your ways and you're injured and you're old and then someone wants to teach you a wheel kick, like, oh Christ.
greg fitzsimmons
Yeah.
joe rogan
Like, there's no way my body's going to do that.
greg fitzsimmons
Right.
joe rogan
My body doesn't move like that.
greg fitzsimmons
Yeah.
joe rogan
It's like you being able to do backflips.
Like, you could still do a backflip.
Your body learned how to do that when you were young.
It's in there.
That program's in there.
greg fitzsimmons
And there's a moment of faith when you do a backflip where when you go up, you have to go up before you go back.
And that's the first mistake and the constant mistake is people go to do a backflip and they lunge backwards.
And they land on their head.
But you really have to trust that you have to shoot your hands up, not back.
And then you pull it in and go over.
joe rogan
Damn, scary.
greg fitzsimmons
And that's like that with, I'm sure with martial arts, is this moves that are, there's a moment of faith.
joe rogan
When I don't train for a long time, then I try to do a turning sidekick on the heavy bag.
There's like a moment like, okay, I'm going to hit this thing, right?
What am I doing here?
I'm standing like this.
Okay, ready?
And turn.
Oh, I just dropped something.
Oh, I just dropped.
It's a big ass knife.
unidentified
Shit.
joe rogan
That's not good to have around right there.
What am I, 12?
Keep this big giant knife on the table.
But yeah, when I do it today, to this day, I have to do it slow a couple times and get the feel of it if I haven't trained in a while.
And then it becomes a normal thing.
greg fitzsimmons
Right.
joe rogan
Man, it's hell on your fucking knees.
I got a new knee thing going on.
This is the third time I've had to get stem cells injected into this meniscus tear.
greg fitzsimmons
Oh, really?
joe rogan
I got this little tiny meniscus tear.
And it develops into a cyst.
The tear, we've hit it with stem cells a few times, and it doesn't give me any pain anymore, but a cyst keeps developing in that area, and the cyst has to get punctured and drained.
It's getting smaller and smaller.
It happened three different times where I had to get it drained, and the last time was a few days ago, and it was the smallest it's ever been, but still fucking annoying.
greg fitzsimmons
But you're still running.
joe rogan
Yep.
greg fitzsimmons
Doesn't hurt when you run?
joe rogan
I'm taking time off right now.
I'm taking a little bit of time off right now.
I'm going to take a couple weeks off and I'm going to run at a slower pace.
Just get the dog some exercise and I'm going to be more cautious about it.
I'm not going to push myself.
I'm trying to figure out what it is I'm doing that's causing this cyst to recur.
I think it's just overall pounding.
The hill running, kicking the bag and all that shit.
I need to let it fully set in before I go back to doing that shit.
So I'm just doing a bunch of other different stuff now.
A lot of yoga.
greg fitzsimmons
Does the cryogenics help?
joe rogan
It'll help somewhat.
What cryogenics is really good for is, first of all, it's really good for your mood.
If you've never done it before, the best kind or the kind where you get your whole body in there, not just your neck down.
The neck down's okay.
It's definitely better than nothing.
But the real feeling is when your head's under and your whole body is immersed in this...
Air that's cooled by liquid nitrogen.
It's fucking freezing, dude.
unidentified
Yeah.
joe rogan
Have you done it?
greg fitzsimmons
No.
I want to do it.
joe rogan
Let's do it today.
greg fitzsimmons
Yeah, I'll do it.
joe rogan
We'll do it today.
unidentified
Okay.
joe rogan
Okay, we're going to do it today.
You're going to love it.
It's a freak out, man.
It's a freak out.
greg fitzsimmons
How long do you stay in for?
joe rogan
Three minutes.
And then I stay out for 10 minutes and I do another three minutes.
Yeah.
You feel amazing afterwards.
greg fitzsimmons
It'll fix my knee.
joe rogan
Well, it won't fix it.
It'll reduce inflammation, though.
But norepinephrine, that's what it's called, right?
Is that the word?
Sure?
That stuff gets radically boosted in your brain.
It helps a lot of people with arthritis.
A lot of people who have a lot of inflammation, it helps them.
Is that how I say it?
I said it right?
It ramps that shit up.
You feel so good when you get out of there.
unidentified
You're like, woo!
joe rogan
It lasts a while, too.
unidentified
Yeah.
Ah!
greg fitzsimmons
Wow.
joe rogan
You were just freezing to death.
You were freezing to death.
You were on your way to death.
And you step out of it and you're like, wow.
And everything just feels, whoa!
greg fitzsimmons
Really?
joe rogan
Yeah, it feels good, man.
It feels good.
Yeah.
greg fitzsimmons
I fucking love swimming in cold water.
joe rogan
It's amazing for you.
greg fitzsimmons
Yeah.
joe rogan
The way you feel when you get out, too.
But here's the thing.
It's not the best thing to do if you're trying to gain muscle weight.
You have to wait a while after the exercise.
Apparently, there's a...
unidentified
Yeah.
joe rogan
A bunch of different studies, and I know Andy Galpin's been involved in a bunch of these studies, and Rhonda Patrick has discussed some of this research as well.
But what happens is there's a window of time after you lift weights where you should just leave your body alone and not ice anything.
And this is...
More beneficial to gaining strength and explosiveness and mass and stuff like that.
But that after a window of time, then it's beneficial to get into the ice bath or to do cryo or something like that.
But you want to give yourself, your body, a period of time to physiologically adjust to the work.
Like, your body knows what's happened.
Oh, Greg did deadlifts today.
Okay, okay, okay.
We gotta get everything in place.
But if you freeze it right there, then it has an effect on the overall...
And I might be butchering this.
But I think it has an effect on the overall amount of gains that you can make.
greg fitzsimmons
Okay.
Because your body's not sending the chemicals to the muscle the way it would.
joe rogan
Right.
See if you can find out if that's true.
That's a...
Figure out how to Google that one.
How do you Google that one?
jamie vernon
It's supposed to work out.
joe rogan
Yeah, post-workout, cryotherapy, and hypertrophy.
Because that's what they're trying to figure out whether or not it's beneficial or not in that case.
So they think that...
It's really good for the mood, and it's really good for people with joint issues.
A lot of the folks that go there, they have back surgery or back issues, and it gives them a lot of relief.
And you can do it every day, too, because it's only three minutes.
The thing about something like that is it's not like any other kind of therapy.
You can't do it any longer.
It's not like you're being a pussy because you're only doing it for three minutes.
Bitch, you can't even do three minutes.
I bet the first time you go in there, two minutes, you're like, fuck this!
And you're like, oh my god!
At two minutes, you're probably ready to bail.
But then your body will get used to it, and then you can do three minutes.
But it's very controversial, especially because a woman died.
There was a woman in Vegas.
Yeah, a woman in Vegas was operating it herself, and apparently she was not in the right height, and the liquid nitrogen was getting into her lungs.
She was breathing it in, and she passed out.
And she passed out and froze to death.
Yeah, terrifying.
unidentified
Damn.
joe rogan
Because she had, I think the story was that she had worked there, and she was after hours just doing therapy on herself, and she fucking fell asleep in there.
You should never do that by yourself.
If you do it at a reputable place, there'll always be someone standing by, watching while you're in.
They stand outside the door while you're inside of it.
greg fitzsimmons
Hmm.
joe rogan
It's scary, though.
Because you realize when you're in there, you're like, this is something you can't survive for that long.
You can survive it for a few minutes, but you're literally exposing yourself to something that is 100% fatal if you stay in it.
greg fitzsimmons
Yeah.
No, it's like cold water.
You don't have to be in freezing cold water.
They say the amount of hours you can survive in water is like surprisingly warm.
unidentified
Yeah.
greg fitzsimmons
If it's like in the 40s, you can die after a couple hours.
joe rogan
Yep.
greg fitzsimmons
I'm throwing numbers out, but it's surprising.
joe rogan
Yeah.
Getting wet is one of the most dangerous things that can ever happen to you if you're in the winter in the mountains.
It's one of the most dangerous things.
You fall underwater.
They actually have rewarming drills that they teach people, particularly soldiers and outdoorsmen that are interested in this shit.
My friend John Barklow, he works for Sitka, that's a premier outdoor company.
They make hunting clothes and stuff like that.
And they have a whole video on how to do a rewarming drill.
And so what he does is him and his friend jump into a frozen river.
And then go into a tent and heat themselves back up again.
unidentified
Wow.
joe rogan
Dude.
You watch this and your whole body just goes, ah!
Because they're in the winter and they jump into a river.
They've got to move the ice around and hop in this fucking frozen stream.
And they go all the way under.
And then they come out with their soaked down and all their soaked wool clothes.
And their soaked synthetics.
And they get into a tent.
They climb into their sleeping bags.
And they try to heat themselves up.
Wow.
Yeah, if you have no access to a building, a house, no shower, you're fucked.
You're out in the woods.
There's very specific things that you have to do in order to survive.
If you don't follow the right steps, you absolutely will die.
Yeah, it's really common.
It kills more people than probably anything in the woods.
Freezing to death.
greg fitzsimmons
Yeah, that movie Revenant freaked me out.
Just going into the woods up north for three months to collect pelts and you're walking through fucking streams and it's pouring rain and you got no heater, no electricity.
Fuck that.
joe rogan
Yeah, that's how people died.
A lot of people lived that way too.
A lot of people lived that way until they died.
I mean, you think about those people that made it across this country and the people like Lewis and Clark and all these pioneers that just didn't even know what the fuck was around the next corner.
greg fitzsimmons
Right.
joe rogan
And they just walked on through with, would they have like donkeys with shit on their back?
unidentified
Yeah.
joe rogan
How much food do you have?
greg fitzsimmons
Yeah.
joe rogan
Do you even know where the fuck you're going?
greg fitzsimmons
You hit an impasse, you hike for miles and then you come up to a mountain and you gotta double back and go around.
joe rogan
Jesus Christ.
No Google Earth.
No nothing.
Shit maps.
Dog shit maps written by people you hope knew what the fuck they were talking about.
You know, you get maps from Native Americans.
You get maps from a sailor.
Try to figure it out.
greg fitzsimmons
And then you randomly go into the wrong territory and Indians want to kill you.
joe rogan
You know, there's an interesting film that's out on Netflix right now, The Ballad of Buster Scruggs.
It's a Coen Brothers movie.
And it's all about that.
It's all about the Old West.
It's really weird, man.
They're so weird.
They are the weirdest guys of all time.
greg fitzsimmons
The Coen Brothers?
joe rogan
Yeah.
The Big Lebowski, one of my all-time favorites.
They've just made so many cool, weird films.
But this one's really weird.
It's like a bunch of non-connected stories.
I thought they were connected, but they're not.
They're just all taking place in the same time period.
And it's all the Old West.
greg fitzsimmons
And they end pretty similarly.
They're all fucking dark.
And you gotta go into it.
I would highly recommend it, but go into it knowing it's gonna be fucking dark.
You gotta go there.
joe rogan
Yeah.
greg fitzsimmons
Just accept it.
But Tom Waits, his one is fucking amazing.
joe rogan
Amazing.
greg fitzsimmons
Yeah.
joe rogan
Dude, amazing.
Yeah, I thought it was Nick Nolte for a second.
greg fitzsimmons
Hell yeah.
joe rogan
Who is that?
Is that Nick Nolte?
greg fitzsimmons
Right.
joe rogan
Dude, it's so good.
That one was really good.
The singer guy was really good.
greg fitzsimmons
I love that he...
Well, I don't want to spoil it for people, but no, it's...
Yeah.
They're all great.
joe rogan
But at the end of it, I was like, what the fuck did I just watch?
greg fitzsimmons
Yeah.
jamie vernon
Did you ever watch Deadwood?
joe rogan
Deadwood on HBO? No, I never did, man.
greg fitzsimmons
No, I never saw that.
joe rogan
You know what?
The thing about Deadwood is I watched it once and they were swearing so much that my bullshit alarm went off.
greg fitzsimmons
That's why I stopped watching.
unidentified
Yeah.
joe rogan
I was like, I don't think people talked like that back then.
Yeah.
Because they didn't talk like that in the 50s and the 60s.
See, the trend doesn't make sense.
If people talked like that in the Wild West, then where did that go?
Where'd that go?
It all went into the ether?
They had kids.
They raised their children.
The children are around this kind of language.
And somehow or another, it escaped, and it went away, and it stopped.
That's not how the world works.
The world doesn't work that way.
The world works in the way that, like, you slowly introduce fucked up words, and then they become, like, the word fuck.
If you said the word fuck on television in the 1950s, you would get arrested.
greg fitzsimmons
Yeah.
joe rogan
Right?
greg fitzsimmons
Yeah.
joe rogan
How is that possible?
greg fitzsimmons
Stay on stage, you get arrested.
unidentified
Yeah.
joe rogan
With Lenny Bruce.
unidentified
Yeah.
joe rogan
George Carlin.
How is it possible that that is a hundred years removed from people saying it with abandon constantly?
I don't believe it.
greg fitzsimmons
Yeah.
joe rogan
Like...
I think a better example of what it was probably like is like Gangs of New York.
And then it's probably more accurate.
unidentified
Yeah.
joe rogan
Like that was probably what people were like back then.
unidentified
Right, right.
joe rogan
They were probably brutal as fuck, but I bet they didn't swear as much as we like to think they did.
greg fitzsimmons
Yeah.
joe rogan
The Deadwood thing was like they were using it as a...
I mean, maybe I need to go back and watch it before I talk shit.
But it felt like they were using it almost like to modernize it.
greg fitzsimmons
Yeah.
joe rogan
You know, they were having these people talk like scallywags would talk today.
greg fitzsimmons
Right.
They also say cursing is cultural.
Like, if you're in a, you know, they talk about how black people curse versus how Protestants curse.
joe rogan
What's this coffee?
greg fitzsimmons
Yeah, I'll have some more of that.
joe rogan
Did you have any?
jamie vernon
I had a little bit.
This article about it says that they purposely changed the words to make it more contemporary.
Because people wouldn't have been buying if they were saying tarnation and gold darn and shit like that.
greg fitzsimmons
Yeah.
joe rogan
Yeah, there you go.
jamie vernon
It wasn't tarnation.
joe rogan
Exactly.
But imagine if they did that with Vikings.
You know?
Like, yo, we pillaging or what?
What are we doing, dawg?
The fuck, man?
greg fitzsimmons
Yeah.
joe rogan
I want to be king of this bitch!
greg fitzsimmons
Yo, Thor!
Let's let loose on this shit!
joe rogan
Let's let loose on these bitches.
benjamin jaffe
Yeah, I mean, maybe that's real similar.
joe rogan
Yeah, see, that's why.
Okay, so I'm not wrong.
Yeah, they did it on purpose.
jamie vernon
They're bringing it back.
They're making either a movie or something or other, bringing the series back, because it ended in the middle of season two when that writer's strike happened.
greg fitzsimmons
Right.
joe rogan
I heard there's a dope Viking one that's on Netflix now.
jamie vernon
I think it's a comedy.
unidentified
Is it?
greg fitzsimmons
Hell yeah.
jamie vernon
What is that?
Norse gods or something like that.
Let me see.
joe rogan
No, I don't think that's the one.
Somebody else told me about one.
I think I put it on my phone.
jamie vernon
Norseman.
joe rogan
Norseman?
Is that it?
That might be it.
Is that a comedy?
No.
greg fitzsimmons
It's weird.
My kids fucking curse.
And I never cursed around the house.
My wife cursed a little.
But now suddenly it's okay.
And they're 15 and 18. But it's suddenly okay that we're at dinner and just fuck gets thrown around all the time.
unidentified
Like, when did I okay that?
joe rogan
Is it Norseman?
jamie vernon
It's just got a comedic vibe to it.
I don't know if it's like a full-on comedy.
joe rogan
Oh, okay.
greg fitzsimmons
I'm just going to skip the whole thing.
I'm not going to jump either.
unidentified
This is not my kind of thing.
jamie vernon
Just based off of that, I saw it.
unidentified
That looks like some Monty Python shit.
joe rogan
Well, why not?
jamie vernon
I've heard it's good, though.
joe rogan
This might be it.
This is too many new shows.
I can't keep up.
I can't keep up.
greg fitzsimmons
I know.
joe rogan
It's great.
There's such high quality and things are so good, but it's not great in that you can't keep up.
Have you started watching The Marvelous Mrs. Maisel?
greg fitzsimmons
Yeah, I saw the first season and then maybe one or two of the second season.
I really liked it.
I think she's fucking great.
Obviously the cast, Tony Shalhoub, but it just got so Jewish.
joe rogan
Don't say anything, because I'm just starting it.
greg fitzsimmons
Okay.
joe rogan
This is what I did.
greg fitzsimmons
You're going to love it.
joe rogan
I fucked up.
I fucked up and started with season two.
greg fitzsimmons
Oh, you did?
joe rogan
Started with episode one, season two, got to episode three.
I was like, what's wrong with this?
greg fitzsimmons
Yeah.
That's hilarious.
joe rogan
No, I didn't even know.
Somebody ought to tell me.
Somebody ought to tell me at the store.
I forget who told me, but I went back and watched the first episode of season one.
I was like, holy shit, this is even better.
But I thought it was good watching the first episode of season two not even knowing how she got there.
Because I knew it was about stand-up.
I knew she was a comic.
But then going back and watching it from season one, I'm like, oh, okay.
greg fitzsimmons
Yeah, I think there's a lot of stuff about how they...
And writing on a show that's similar in that it's about a comedian starting out on Crashing.
I think they really capture the process of somebody brand new finding their voice on stage.
joe rogan
Yeah, yeah.
greg fitzsimmons
You know?
And the manager's great.
The woman that plays her manager.
There's always somebody like that that's in your corner that's helping you develop yourself.
And she's natural on stage.
I buy it.
I buy her as a stand-up on stage.
joe rogan
I buy her as being actually funny.
greg fitzsimmons
Yeah.
joe rogan
And it's interesting seeing Lenny Bruce.
The guy who plays Lenny Bruce is very good.
greg fitzsimmons
Yeah.
joe rogan
Who's that guy?
Who's her, too?
greg fitzsimmons
Her name is...
unidentified
And, uh, spoiler alert, you get to see her breasts.
greg fitzsimmons
Fantastic, by the way.
joe rogan
Oh, good Lord.
Good Lord.
Thank you, Jesus.
greg fitzsimmons
I had to do a search.
Not...
I don't want to sound like a perv, but no, I did a search on her nude.
joe rogan
Let's just let it go.
greg fitzsimmons
I did a thing on her nude, and she's...
jamie vernon
Rachel Brosnahan.
greg fitzsimmons
I'll put it up so I can see his name as well.
She won the Emmy this year.
She won the Golden Globe this year.
joe rogan
She won the Golden Globe for that?
greg fitzsimmons
Yeah.
joe rogan
Wow.
Yeah, Rachel Brosnahan and Michael Ziegen.
greg fitzsimmons
And Alex Horstein is great.
joe rogan
And who is playing Lenny Bruce?
Is that the guy?
greg fitzsimmons
Luke Kirby.
joe rogan
Luke Kirby.
Luke Kirby?
Outstanding.
He did a great job.
He sounded like him.
Without doing an obvious impression, it sounds like he's got the tone right, he's got the inflection right.
greg fitzsimmons
It's not overly stylized.
joe rogan
No, no, no.
You believe it.
He did a great job of seeming like a guy doing stand-up in front of a room of people, not like an actor playing a stand-up.
greg fitzsimmons
Well, the woman that created the show, apparently her dad was a stand-up and he knew Lenny Bruce, which is why she put him in the series.
Because he's the only historical figure in the show.
joe rogan
Right, right.
Yeah, well, it's also the show, they take some liberties with the history.
I don't think there was a comedy club back then.
The gas light, they called it?
I don't think that was real.
I don't think there really was a comedy club back then.
I think back then, people were just doing poetry nights, and they were doing, you know, they'd be like a musician, then a comedian.
Comedians would host things.
I don't think there was necessarily a comedy club.
I think that came later.
Yeah.
greg fitzsimmons
Yeah, it's like Catch a Rising Star came out of being a cabaret, and people would sing there, and then suddenly people started doing stand-up there, and the two existed together for years before it became a comedy club.
joe rogan
We should actually know this.
Why do we not know what was the very first comedy club?
Was it Catch?
greg fitzsimmons
There was the Hungry Eye in San Francisco.
joe rogan
Was that the first?
greg fitzsimmons
Might have been.
joe rogan
That was the 60s, though.
Was that when it started?
greg fitzsimmons
Yeah, that was the 60s.
joe rogan
Because the Ice House...
Is the oldest running comedy club in the world.
The Ice House is the oldest.
All the other old ones are gone except the Ice House.
And the Comedy and Magic Club is right on its heels.
greg fitzsimmons
Right.
joe rogan
That's probably second.
But what was the original comedy club?
greg fitzsimmons
Well, that place is called the Gaslight.
And I think there was a Gaslight back then.
joe rogan
Do you think it was a comedy club, though?
I don't think the way they did it, which was great, and again, I don't want to give too much of it away, but the way they did it where people were getting bumped, like she got bumped, I don't think that that was good.
Mm-hmm.
I mean, who the fuck knows, though?
Maybe they had a drop-in back then.
Maybe they did have nights, like several nights, where they had just comedy.
greg fitzsimmons
Yeah.
There's this book by Cliff Nesterov about the history of comedy.
You ever read that?
joe rogan
No.
greg fitzsimmons
What's it called?
He's great.
I don't know, but it's Cliff, N-E-S-T-E-R-O-V. And I had him on my podcast a couple times.
He's great.
But the real first comedy shows in New York were The Comedians.
unidentified
Right.
joe rogan
Drunks, thieves, scoundrels, and the history of American comedy.
Did you find anything about the oldest or the first stand-up comedy club?
jamie vernon
Arguably, in the United Kingdom in 1979, it was the comedy store.
And before that, they were just performing in different places.
joe rogan
Some English motherfucker got a hold of Wikipedia and ruined everything.
jamie vernon
That just started in the United Kingdom.
In the United States history, it goes back into the 19th century in vaudeville places.
And so it just depends on when somebody first turned their venue.
joe rogan
Right, but what I'm saying is, who had the very first comedy club?
greg fitzsimmons
Yeah, the Hungry Eye.
joe rogan
San Francisco.
greg fitzsimmons
Yeah.
joe rogan
So The Hungry Eye was a 100% comedy club.
greg fitzsimmons
Yeah.
And then The Bitter End, which was music and comedy.
unidentified
Hmm.
joe rogan
Interesting.
greg fitzsimmons
In New York.
joe rogan
So those are the ones.
And what year is that?
jamie vernon
It says in the 50s into the 60s.
It doesn't have a particular year.
joe rogan
Wow.
Mort Saul.
I think Mort Saul's still around.
Google that.
greg fitzsimmons
I think he is.
joe rogan
I think he's still doing stand-up.
greg fitzsimmons
I think Dick Gregory's around.
joe rogan
I think Dick Gregory died.
greg fitzsimmons
Oh, he did?
joe rogan
Is that true?
Find out that first.
Because I'm a dick if I say he died and he didn't.
Yeah.
Yeah, Dick Gregory funeral.
jamie vernon
Funeral.
joe rogan
Yeah.
jamie vernon
Yeah.
unidentified
He died.
greg fitzsimmons
But I think Lenny Bruce might have started at The Hungry Eye as well.
I think he started in San Francisco.
joe rogan
I think you're right.
Yeah.
Yeah, that was the Beatniks, right?
greg fitzsimmons
Yeah.
joe rogan
That led into the...
Is he still around?
Goddamn you, Mortsal.
Still rocking.
1915. 91 years old, motherfucker.
greg fitzsimmons
Wow.
joe rogan
Outlived them all.
Good for him.
Yeah, all these guys were the originators.
I mean, without them, this is the original roots of the tree of stand-up comedy.
100%, right?
greg fitzsimmons
Yeah.
joe rogan
What are you doing now, Jamie?
Just Googling shit?
jamie vernon
I'm just leaving it up there.
It's too long.
I was just going back to look and see if I could find anything else.
joe rogan
It's a crazy history.
You really stop and think about the year it starts in the 60s and that before that it didn't exist like that.
Like it was kind of a thing that people did.
There was court jesters.
There was funny people.
There was comedy in various plays and musicals.
There was comedic elements.
greg fitzsimmons
Well, there's cabaret.
joe rogan
Yeah.
And there was MCs.
People would MC things.
But in terms of someone going specifically to see someone say things in a funny way, just talking in front of a microphone, that shit is really recent.
greg fitzsimmons
Yeah.
joe rogan
Imagine if we were born 100 years ago.
unidentified
What the fuck would we do?
greg fitzsimmons
Well, we might have done vaudeville.
joe rogan
Hang out with all those vaudeville people.
greg fitzsimmons
Vaudeville people, where you go from town to town.
Your suitcase has no wheels on it.
You're lugging that shit on a train.
joe rogan
It's probably fun, though, if you're young.
greg fitzsimmons
Yeah.
joe rogan
If you're young, it's probably fun.
greg fitzsimmons
Because if you think you're a big deal when you go to a town now, go to fucking Columbus, Ohio in 1919 and perform.
You would be like a god to them.
joe rogan
Yeah, but you'd also be like a carny, you know?
greg fitzsimmons
Yeah.
joe rogan
Traveling from town to town, probably fucking real loose with your morals.
greg fitzsimmons
Yeah, right.
Yeah.
Spreading God knows what around the Midwest.
joe rogan
All kinds of STDs and IOUs.
greg fitzsimmons
Babies constantly.
Nobody pulled out or used a rubber in the 1910s.
joe rogan
Right, and they're also living a savage life.
To expect them to find a nice gal in Kansas and settle down.
greg fitzsimmons
That's right.
joe rogan
They're working the tilt-a-whirl, and they've got to prop it up with logs because the left side doesn't have a leg.
greg fitzsimmons
Right.
joe rogan
That thing spins, so you've got to keep an eye on it.
You don't want to launch anybody into the parking lot.
greg fitzsimmons
And if you do, you just pack up and move to the next town.
joe rogan
They just get the fuck out of Dodge.
There's no way to track them on the internet.
greg fitzsimmons
Yeah, they say, you know, a lot of those early, it was very Jewish, because Jews were having a hard time getting hired, and so that was one of the few places they could work, and that's why they say comedy was a very Jewish thing.
joe rogan
Oh, interesting.
greg fitzsimmons
Leading into the Borscht Belt and all that.
joe rogan
Stan and Ollie.
jamie vernon
This movie just came out.
It's basically about this.
Lauren Hardy were vaudeville touring comedians in the 1920s.
joe rogan
When did this come out?
jamie vernon
It just came out.
It's in the theaters right now.
joe rogan
No shit!
greg fitzsimmons
I haven't heard a word of it.
It's supposed to be good, yeah.
jamie vernon
About two weeks ago.
joe rogan
And Stan and Ollie stand for, I forget the Laurel and Hardy, right?
Yep, yep, yep.
jamie vernon
It's John C. Reilly and Steve Coogan.
joe rogan
Wow!
greg fitzsimmons
These guys are both amazing.
joe rogan
Yeah, John C. Reilly's excellent.
I don't know who Steve Coogan is.
Who's Steve Coogan?
greg fitzsimmons
He's a British stand-up, I think.
joe rogan
But that's cool.
I'm glad someone...
Okay.
Oh, I've seen that guy and stuff before.
I'm glad someone's doing that.
Charlie Chapman was supposedly a bad motherfucker.
greg fitzsimmons
Yeah.
He would go up to the Hearst Castle and fuck Hearst's wife.
In the castle.
unidentified
No.
greg fitzsimmons
You ever go up to that castle?
joe rogan
Yeah, when I was a little kid.
greg fitzsimmons
It's fucking amazing.
joe rogan
Yeah.
greg fitzsimmons
And, yeah, Chaplin would go up.
He was fucking everybody.
Everybody's wife.
Yeah.
unidentified
Jesus.
greg fitzsimmons
He got off on wives.
joe rogan
Really?
greg fitzsimmons
Yeah, that was his thing.
jamie vernon
That was his thing?
unidentified
Yeah.
joe rogan
Oh, so dangerous.
Can you imagine?
You're only happy if you're banging someone else's woman.
Wow, that's crazy.
greg fitzsimmons
I guess there's no commitment.
joe rogan
Maybe that...
greg fitzsimmons
And if she gets pregnant, you know, he'll claim it.
He'll claim the baby.
jamie vernon
That's him there at the Hearst Castle.
joe rogan
Wow.
Whoa.
That's him with the cigarette?
jamie vernon
Yeah.
joe rogan
That's so weird.
jamie vernon
1930s.
Banging her in his 60s.
greg fitzsimmons
I mean, Hearst would have hundreds of guests every weekend.
He had rooms for hundreds of people, and they would have...
Hunts, they would fucking hunt during the day.
Or, you know, they'd play tennis and then everybody would meet for highballs at like 5 o'clock in one room and giant fireplaces and then they'd set dinners with fucking servants.
If you got an invite to that, you go for like three weeks.
unidentified
What?
greg fitzsimmons
Yeah!
You come fucking look at that dining hall.
joe rogan
You know what that looks like?
That looks like the haunted dining hall in the Disney ride.
The haunted mansion.
I don't know.
You ever seen that?
greg fitzsimmons
Yeah.
joe rogan
Do you know what I'm talking about?
jamie vernon
Yeah, so they got inspired from something.
joe rogan
I guarantee you that's what it got inspired by.
It looks so much like that.
So look at that image right now, and now Google the dining room at the Haunted Mansion Disneyland.
Because there's a scene where you fly by, and you're on the little train, and you pass by, and all the ghosts are dancing around shit.
It's pretty cool.
greg fitzsimmons
It looks just like that.
And then it was a zoo.
All the grounds were a zoo at Hearst Castle.
There was fucking giraffes running around, zebras.
unidentified
Yeah.
joe rogan
He's like El Chapo.
greg fitzsimmons
He couldn't get rid of his money.
He had so much fucking money.
joe rogan
That's a shit image of it.
They don't have a good image of it?
jamie vernon
Not really.
joe rogan
Oh.
Alright.
How's that possible?
jamie vernon
You're not really supposed to take pictures in there, are you?
joe rogan
Oh, that's a good point.
Yeah.
Wow.
But everybody does.
jamie vernon
I know, but...
joe rogan
People are always taking pictures of shit.
You take pictures of your kids in there...
Anyway, it looks real similar to that.
But yeah, that guy had way too much money.
He brought over wild boars.
He's the reason why California has a wild pig problem.
greg fitzsimmons
No shit.
joe rogan
Yes.
greg fitzsimmons
Wow.
joe rogan
Him.
That fuck.
greg fitzsimmons
Goddamn.
joe rogan
Yeah.
greg fitzsimmons
Wild boars.
They'd go hunt them.
joe rogan
Yeah.
He brought them here.
It's not down here.
See, it's not in Southern California.
They're all up there.
They're slowly making their way down here.
But the ones that are down here, the closest they are is Tohono Ranch.
Tohono Ranch is about an hour and a half from here, and they have wild pigs.
greg fitzsimmons
Is it that hard to just get a bunch of guys with AK-47s and hunt them down?
joe rogan
It's not that hard, but you can't do that in California.
California, you can get depredation permits, and they have gotten depredation permits, and they hunt them at night with night vision.
Because sometimes the pigs will start making their way into agriculture, or they'll lay down some fresh sod and put some grass down, and these pigs will destroy thousands of dollars in landscaping damage.
So when they prove that that's happening, then they get a special permit, and then they can just start whacking.
greg fitzsimmons
Yeah.
joe rogan
And then they just take out, like, everything at night and they do it with, you know, sniper rifles and shit.
But then when a normal person wants to, like, say if you wanted to kill a wild pig.
greg fitzsimmons
I do.
joe rogan
You can get as many licenses as you'd like.
You can get five licenses.
You can get six.
You can go out and shoot six pigs in a day.
It's totally legal.
As long as you pay for each individual tag.
Because the...
The understanding is that, at least in most places, California's the only place that treats it like game.
In most places, you don't even have to have tags for them.
In most places, they're encouraging you to shoot them.
And that'll probably be the case in California eventually.
Like Texas, for instance.
Texas has a real pig problem.
They have a giant problem.
greg fitzsimmons
No shit!
joe rogan
There's millions and millions and millions of pigs.
greg fitzsimmons
Oh, I remember that from the Friday Night Late Show at the Improv in Houston.
unidentified
That's not what we're talking about!
joe rogan
You said that with, you really had me believing that you didn't believe it.
And you're setting up the joke the whole time.
It's nice.
greg fitzsimmons
I think it's like that with alligators in Florida, too.
joe rogan
Yeah.
When I was a kid, they were an endangered species.
They would ask us to please not feed them marshmallows.
Because I lived in Gainesville, right by this place called Lake Alice.
greg fitzsimmons
Yeah.
joe rogan
Lake Alice had alligators.
I was fucking 11 years old.
I was looking at alligators.
This is crazy.
This is a goddamn dinosaur.
But there was a small population of them because they had been whacked into oblivion before and people were making suitcases out of them.
And then they made it illegal to hunt them and they made them a protected species.
But then they fucked up.
They overprotected.
And those goddamn super lizards are everywhere now.
greg fitzsimmons
They're fucking everywhere.
My mom belongs to a golf course down in Florida where she lives.
And there's this alligator.
It's apparently like this fucking 14-foot alligator.
And the people were playing golf and there was a deer.
And everybody's standing there going like, it's a deer.
It's a deer.
Look at that beautiful deer.
Fucking alligator comes out, grabs it, pulls it into the water, does that spin move.
Takes it to the bottom, fucking done.
So, everyone's talking about it.
What do we do about it?
So, about three weeks later, my mom is out on the course, and her ball is right next to the lake where the alligator is.
And she forgets.
And she goes over, and her ball is right on the edge, and she's standing there, and she was standing on some fucking, like, dead, some dead grass, and it gave out.
And she fell in the fucking lake.
unidentified
Oh!
greg fitzsimmons
Up to her neck.
And then she remembered.
And she fucking started scrambling up the mud and grabbing at the reeds to get out of there.
And the people that she was with had left.
She was playing by herself for some reason.
And she fucking got out of there and got in the cart and then she just started laughing.
joe rogan
Oh my god.
unidentified
You believe that shit?
greg fitzsimmons
My little mother.
My little five foot two mother.
joe rogan
Oh my god.
greg fitzsimmons
Would have been a tasty meal.
joe rogan
It would happen so quick.
unidentified
Yeah.
greg fitzsimmons
Better than a deer.
Old lady.
Nice soft old lady.
joe rogan
Way, way more tender.
greg fitzsimmons
Yeah.
Corn fed.
unidentified
Ooh.
greg fitzsimmons
My mom's corn fed.
I never told you that?
unidentified
No.
greg fitzsimmons
Yeah, yeah.
joe rogan
I thought she was organic.
greg fitzsimmons
No, no.
We let her free range sometimes.
joe rogan
There's a great story about a car chase.
Cops were chasing this dude with a stolen car, and the guy jumps off a bridge into the water and immediately gets eaten by alligators.
unidentified
Wow.
Yeah.
joe rogan
He's like a little overpass over a river, just hops out of the fucking car, jumps into the river, and smash!
He lands right in front of an alligator.
greg fitzsimmons
No shit!
joe rogan
The alligator jacks him in front of the cops.
What do you do?
If you're a cop, do you shoot at the alligator?
Do you try to kill the alligator while it's killing the guy?
greg fitzsimmons
Good point.
joe rogan
I mean, that's a reckless thing to be doing.
When there's a lot of thrashing around, you're just going to empty your clip.
Pow, pow, pow.
You know, I mean, how much distance is there between the bridge and the water?
greg fitzsimmons
Right.
joe rogan
What can the cop do?
greg fitzsimmons
Well, you know the guy's going to die, so I think it's a safe bet to take some shots anyway.
joe rogan
I think it's a not safe bet to take some shots, because if you're a cop, what if you hit the guy?
And they said, oh, you shot him.
You're trying to cover up by letting the fucking alligators eat him.
greg fitzsimmons
That's true.
joe rogan
You gotta let the alligator eat him.
greg fitzsimmons
Yeah.
joe rogan
Gotta save your job.
greg fitzsimmons
Do you hear about the guy?
There was a guy flying a plane from Florida to Cuba.
Or Cuba to Florida.
And the plane fucking went down.
unidentified
Oof.
greg fitzsimmons
And he survived the crash and then got eaten by sharks.
unidentified
Really?
joe rogan
Why is that funny?
That's so fucked up.
greg fitzsimmons
Just because that 20 minute period where you're floating in the water but you're thankful and you're almost giddy.
I did it.
I fucking survived.
joe rogan
Oh my god.
greg fitzsimmons
Yeah.
Bad day.
joe rogan
Well, you know that story about the World War II boat that sank, and the guys were floating around at sea for several days, and most of them got eaten by sharks?
greg fitzsimmons
Oof.
joe rogan
That's the story that they talk about in the beginning of Jaws?
greg fitzsimmons
Yeah.
joe rogan
Remember where the captain?
The captain's with the fucking scars, and he starts talking about his time on the boat?
greg fitzsimmons
Yeah.
joe rogan
Do you remember that scene?
greg fitzsimmons
Roy Scheider?
joe rogan
No, not Roy Scheider.
The guy was talking to Roy Scheider.
greg fitzsimmons
Okay.
joe rogan
Who's that guy?
What's that guy's name again?
Old-time actor.
The guy was fucking amazing.
unidentified
Shit.
joe rogan
Just pull up Jaws.
jamie vernon
I know you said it too quick.
Richard Dreyfuss.
joe rogan
No, no, no, no.
No, no, no.
Richard Dreyfuss was a scientist.
Roy Scheider was the sheriff.
Richard Dreyfuss was the scientist.
And then there's an older gentleman.
jamie vernon
Robert Shaw.
greg fitzsimmons
Robert Shaw.
Oh, yeah, right.
joe rogan
He steals that fucking movie.
unidentified
Fuck yeah.
joe rogan
He steals that movie.
unidentified
Where is he?
jamie vernon
Right here.
joe rogan
Yeah, he steals that fucking movie.
He steals that fucking movie.
You believe him.
greg fitzsimmons
Wait, so what was the opening scene?
joe rogan
Not the opening scene, but he describes what it was like.
No, that's a different shark attack.
jamie vernon
I typed in World War II shark attack.
joe rogan
Oh, the naval ship.
Yeah, that's it.
That's it.
I'm sorry.
I was thinking when it said the worst shark attack in history, I was thinking it was that story about New Jersey where the bull sharks killed people.
Scroll back up so I can see what it says there.
1945, U.S. naval ship was sunk by a Japanese submarine.
The ship's sinking was just the beginning of the sailor's nightmare.
Yeah, that's the boat.
That's the story.
greg fitzsimmons
How many people died?
joe rogan
A shitload.
Let's see.
jamie vernon
Almost 300 people died.
unidentified
Damn!
joe rogan
Yeah, of the 1,196 men aboard, 900 made it into the water alive.
Their ordeal.
So that's how many survived the crash.
So there's 900 of them that are alive.
Now how many of them make it to the end?
Out of 900, scroll it, scroll it, scroll it, scroll it.
jamie vernon
Days past.
joe rogan
Yeah, they're just giving you the full line of the story.
They're not giving you just the actual facts.
317. 317 remained.
So almost 600 people got eaten.
greg fitzsimmons
Estimates of the number who died from shark attacks range from a few dozen to almost 150. So the other people die from other things?
jamie vernon
Starvation probably.
Heat, stroke, being in the water.
joe rogan
And so I bet when those guys died, then the sharks ate them and it got even worse.
Fuck, man.
unidentified
Whoa.
joe rogan
That's fucking crazy.
Just imagine 150 people eaten by sharks.
greg fitzsimmons
The amount of blood in the water?
joe rogan
Fucking Christ.
But when you're around any kind of thing that can eat you and kill you, it puts it all into perspective that you're not around that enough.
It's not like you should be around it all the time, but you should know it's a real thing.
And when you're around it, you go like, oh, sharks will just eat you.
Oh, a bear will just eat you.
Oh, that mountain lion will just eat you.
Oh!
Like these people that got killed this year, or 2018 at least, was very rare.
And that two people were documented killed by mountain lions in the Pacific Northwest.
One guy in Portland, outside of Portland, and one guy outside of Seattle.
It's pretty rare that mountain lions do that.
But, oh, mountain lions will just eat you.
Oh, that can happen too.
We think we're so safe.
greg fitzsimmons
And I think you're right.
It would keep you in the moment.
I think we should release Grizzly in cities.
Just because you might be worried about, oh, the fucking stock market's down, or I think my wife's cheating.
joe rogan
Bear!
greg fitzsimmons
And you're right back in the moment again.
joe rogan
Yeah, you're in the moment.
But then you're going to have to allow people to be armed to protect themselves.
Guy's going to have open carry.
Fucking ARs slung around their shoulders looking out for bears everywhere.
You're taking your kid to school, you better bring the rifle.
She's only two blocks away.
Bro, bring the rifle.
I saw a bear here a couple of days ago.
Can you imagine you walk outside your house and you hear a branch snap and you turn and you see a 900-pound wild dog-like thing?
greg fitzsimmons
And that's not one shot.
That's got to be a pretty good gun to take that thing down.
joe rogan
You're not going to take it out with like a 9mm.
greg fitzsimmons
No.
joe rogan
It's just going to eat your bullets.
greg fitzsimmons
Right.
joe rogan
It's going to kill you anyway.
greg fitzsimmons
Fuck.
joe rogan
Yeah.
You'd have to have a perfect shot right in the perfect part of its brain to shut it off quick to prevent you from getting mauled.
The amount of strength that they have, too.
You'd be like a water balloon.
You'd be like tearing open a bag, like a Ziploc bag full of jello.
greg fitzsimmons
Yeah.
joe rogan
They'd just rip you apart.
greg fitzsimmons
Yeah, going back to that movie Revenant, that fucking bear attack was insane.
joe rogan
That bear attack is nothing compared to what really happens.
unidentified
Yeah.
joe rogan
If he really got bit by that bear like that, he'd probably be destroyed.
I think the guy where it really happened to him in real life, it's kind of based really loosely on a story, I think he got kind of like a little mauled.
And that was enough.
A little mauled would leave you like that.
That bear was throwing him around for like minutes.
greg fitzsimmons
Yeah, yeah.
joe rogan
That bear would have killed you.
greg fitzsimmons
Yeah.
joe rogan
You'd have no bones left.
It would have snapped everything into a fine powder.
Just crush you.
greg fitzsimmons
And then eat you, right?
joe rogan
Oh, fuck yeah.
Why not eat you?
Especially once you start stinking.
They like to bury things.
Let them rot for a while.
greg fitzsimmons
Uh-huh.
joe rogan
They do.
My friend Adam, he shot a moose in Canada, and bears claimed it.
And he went back and there's a video of it.
It's so spooky.
The moose is buried.
It's a giant, big-ass moose.
By the time they shoot it, and then it runs away, and then you have to track it.
You have to let it die.
It takes a little while.
So the smart thing to do is to sit out for a couple hours.
It'll be dead for sure, but what you don't want to do is spook it while it's injured if it's not a perfect hit, if it runs away, because then it's going to just keep running.
You can run for a long time on adrenaline.
So the correct move is if you don't see an animal die, you see it run into the woods, you wait.
And you wait just as a precautionary matter.
Well, the animal died in seconds, and a bear claimed it immediately.
It died probably right in front of him.
greg fitzsimmons
What state was this?
joe rogan
This was in Alaska.
So the bear is just there.
The moose dies right in front of him.
He's like, oh, look at that.
That's mine.
He starts eating it, and then he starts covering it up.
So he eats some of it, covers it up.
They come tracking it an hour later or so, and it's already covered in dirt.
greg fitzsimmons
Wow.
joe rogan
I'm like, oh, no.
greg fitzsimmons
That's crazy!
joe rogan
Oh, no.
Yeah.
greg fitzsimmons
Holy shit.
joe rogan
Yeah, fuck.
Now, I don't know...
greg fitzsimmons
Think about what it would take to take fucking frozen ground.
joe rogan
I'm going to correct myself.
They might have shot it and taken some of the meat and were going back to pack it out.
Because sometimes when you hunt, you'll hunt with one person.
But when you go back to pack out a big animal, you bring like five or six guys to help you.
greg fitzsimmons
Yeah.
joe rogan
But this is the video of it.
Look at this.
Give me some volume.
unidentified
The whole moose is buried.
Is that your moose under there?
Yeah, that's my moose under there.
Buried.
Yeah.
Whoa!
Wait.
greg fitzsimmons
Okay.
unidentified
I don't like this.
Yeah, I don't like this.
joe rogan
Hey, hey, hey.
Don't be. Speak back.
unidentified
Hey, hey, hey.
Don't be. Speak back.
joe rogan
So everything is like, you know, five and a half feet high grass or, you know, you see, I mean, how tall is that grass?
Four and a half feet at least?
greg fitzsimmons
Yeah.
joe rogan
So bears could be in that shit.
They could be hunkered down in that shit.
So I'm seeing the skull on the ground and the skull skinned out.
So what that means to me is that he had already started butchering the moose and probably went back to it.
So that's, I was kind of correct that, whether or not I was right about that or not.
But so this is what happened.
They could only take some of the meat because they were terrified the bear was going to come back.
And I don't even think they had a gun on them.
And, you know, they're just scanning the area.
See how the moots, the head is already off of the antlers?
greg fitzsimmons
Yeah.
unidentified
Yeah.
joe rogan
And so this is the next video.
That's scary shit, man.
greg fitzsimmons
So they didn't even see the bear.
They just know it was a bear.
joe rogan
Exactly.
Yeah.
unidentified
Wow.
greg fitzsimmons
Think about the strength to take frozen earth like that and dig it out.
joe rogan
Yeah.
What's the type of bear?
You know, if you run into a black bear, you're more likely to be thought of as food.
It's kind of interesting.
Predation on humans is more common with black bears.
They just decide to try to eat you.
But with grizzlies...
It's rarer that a grizzly decides to chase you down and eat you.
It's more common that you fuck up and run into a female.
Or you try to steal his food like that.
They had to get the fuck out of there.
Because if he just decided to run at them, they got a real giant problem.
Most of the time a bear won't.
They're cautious.
They'll hang back.
Because they figure, what are you going to do?
Are you going to eat that whole moose?
You're going to leave me some.
I ate a bunch.
I'm going to wait a little while and see what the fuck you're doing.
He's probably full anyway.
But they had to get out of there.
They only took a little bit of the meat and they took off.
unidentified
Right.
joe rogan
Like, this is too dangerous.
unidentified
Wow.
Brr.
joe rogan
They used to be everywhere.
unidentified
That's insane.
joe rogan
They used to be everywhere in California.
That's why it's on our flag.
greg fitzsimmons
Yeah.
joe rogan
We killed them all.
Not we.
You and I were in Boston.
greg fitzsimmons
Yeah, we didn't kill anybody.
joe rogan
We didn't kill anybody.
But they killed all the grizzly bears in California.
greg fitzsimmons
Yeah.
joe rogan
But it's still on our state flag.
The state flag has a fucking grizzly bear.
greg fitzsimmons
Right.
joe rogan
But California doesn't have any grizzlies.
Right.
greg fitzsimmons
Yeah, I was in Alaska once and they were like raccoons.
They were behind restaurants going through dumpsters.
joe rogan
Grizzlies or brown bears or black bears?
greg fitzsimmons
I think they were, I don't know.
joe rogan
They have both.
They have both up there.
Black bears become more, well, they all become a problem if they start getting around garbage because then they're smart.
They know where the garbage is.
They just keep returning.
Yeah.
greg fitzsimmons
Right.
joe rogan
There's a place called Levesque.
Levesque, California.
It's off the Five.
And it's named that way for the last guy to die in a bear attack in California.
greg fitzsimmons
Oh, really?
joe rogan
Yeah.
unidentified
Huh.
joe rogan
They're like, enough!
E-fucking-nuff!
Apparently they wind up digging this guy up afterwards to find out if the story's true and he was just in pieces.
greg fitzsimmons
Yeah.
Shit.
joe rogan
Big coastal bear, too.
greg fitzsimmons
Bear attack, shark attack, or dying in a cryogenics tank.
joe rogan
Dying the cryo would be way less painful.
You would just freeze.
greg fitzsimmons
That's the way to go.
joe rogan
I don't know if that's the way to go, though.
Because then you're not going to get eaten.
Like, shouldn't you return to nature?
greg fitzsimmons
Yeah.
joe rogan
I mean, you really should be eaten.
And I would rather be eaten by one of my kind, which is a ground animal.
Those fucking cunts in the water.
Not getting eaten by those heartless assholes who don't even take care of their babies.
greg fitzsimmons
Yeah.
joe rogan
You know, a bear at least takes care of their young.
I mean, they're shitheads.
They eat their babies, too.
And especially males.
Males kill babies left and right.
They actually actively go after them and kill them.
But so do sharks.
Sharks have inter-womb competition.
They eat each other inside the womb.
greg fitzsimmons
Oh, no shit!
Wow!
joe rogan
You ever see, like, an MRI of sharks in the womb?
greg fitzsimmons
No.
joe rogan
It's a monster movie.
greg fitzsimmons
That's insane!
joe rogan
Is that real?
Those images?
That's a good question.
I've seen those images.
jamie vernon
I just thought about that and I feel like it might have been from a movie, but I'm looking right now.
joe rogan
Let's see.
I think it's real.
I think the reason why I thought it was fake and then I found out it was real, it's one of those.
Either I thought it was real and I found out it was fake, or I thought it was fake and I found out it's real.
But the image is, if it's real, it's fucking amazing.
It's these little monsters inside a womb.
And then you've got to think...
You know, I guess nobody had to fuck it because they just lay the eggs out and the men just jizz on the eggs.
greg fitzsimmons
Really?
joe rogan
Yeah, that's how it works.
They don't fuck.
They have a terrible life.
unidentified
Wow.
joe rogan
Yeah.
The women lay the eggs on the floor like salmon.
That's what happens.
That happens with trout.
They lay the eggs out and the men come by and shoot loads all over them.
greg fitzsimmons
Yeah.
joe rogan
And then the things pop up and no one takes care of anybody.
All those kids, they just grow up without parents.
Parents don't give a fuck about them.
The parents will eat them.
greg fitzsimmons
Yep.
joe rogan
Happens all the time with little fish.
greg fitzsimmons
Yeah.
joe rogan
Bigger fish is hungry.
They just eat that.
They don't even know if it's theirs.
I'm eating it.
I'm hungry.
They have a system of maintaining a population.
And when there's not enough food, some of you guys got to go.
greg fitzsimmons
I don't remember this in Finding Nemo.
joe rogan
It wasn't in there.
greg fitzsimmons
They fucking left it out.
joe rogan
They didn't even eat.
greg fitzsimmons
Yeah.
joe rogan
All those bear movies, the movies about bears from Disney, they don't eat.
greg fitzsimmons
Yeah.
joe rogan
How come they're not chasing down mooses and eating an asshole first?
greg fitzsimmons
Right, right, right.
joe rogan
Tearing Bambi apart, eating her face while her back legs are kicking, and the bears just holding them down, eating them like a grape.
greg fitzsimmons
Eating that ass!
They do that.
joe rogan
They go asshole first all the time.
greg fitzsimmons
Right, right.
joe rogan
Yeah.
It's very inconvenient to show that in The Lion King, to show how the lion...
How do these lions...
Where's their food?
They never eat.
Everything's a battle.
They're all going to war with people, trying to retain their kingdom.
greg fitzsimmons
Right.
unidentified
Right.
greg fitzsimmons
Where's the snack?
joe rogan
Where's all the food?
greg fitzsimmons
Yeah.
joe rogan
How come I don't see that?
You're fucking with kids.
You're giving kids bad information.
greg fitzsimmons
That would be a great movie.
Do a feature-length animated movie where you show how it really works.
joe rogan
Oh my god.
greg fitzsimmons
It'd be awful.
Yeah.
joe rogan
It'd be awful.
Yeah.
Cats.
Cats are the population control of the world.
Those motherfuckers, faster than everybody, can only eat meat.
And all they do is just run around and try to catch people slipping.
Try to catch animals slipping.
Try to catch animals.
greg fitzsimmons
They're just Darwinism.
jamie vernon
They only ate bugs in Lion King.
joe rogan
Come on.
Come on.
That's a bug that he just ate?
jamie vernon
Yeah, it was like he met Timon and Pumbaa and he showed them how to get grubs or something like that.
joe rogan
What in the fuck kind of propaganda horse shit is this?
That guy, that's anti-American.
jamie vernon
But the way his dad dies is in a stampede of wildebeest, which he probably was attacking.
I just don't remember them showing that in that movie at all.
That's how they really...
unidentified
Yeah.
joe rogan
See, the problem is kids grow up and they see this stuff and the soft-headed amongst them will then think that animals are really like that.
So they'll venture out into the forest to try to make friends.
You just have to be open spiritually.
greg fitzsimmons
Yeah.
joe rogan
Just go to the lion's den.
greg fitzsimmons
Yeah.
joe rogan
Open yourself up spiritually and let the forest know...
I talked to a lady once.
She was a yoga lady.
And she was talking about Colorado.
And she's like, when I walk into the woods, I just walk out there and say, I'm walking out here with love.
Please do not harm me.
Like, yeah, that's not going to work.
greg fitzsimmons
Plus, you're having your period.
Get back in the car.
joe rogan
Well, not only that.
It's not a morality thing.
It's not a good or bad thing.
It's like something's going to get eaten.
If you're out there and you're the slow thing, you're going to get eaten.
No offense.
It's not...
No one's mad at you.
greg fitzsimmons
No.
It's just Darwinism.
You're the weak calf.
joe rogan
This is not a discerning organism that's got moral value that it places on attacking thugs only or not going after yoga instructors.
No, it's slow shit that I can eat.
They have no language.
They're just an organism looking to survive.
Complex set of reinforcements and reward systems that are set up for it to be an incredibly efficient predator.
greg fitzsimmons
Yeah.
joe rogan
Fuck.
greg fitzsimmons
Just when you see male lions the size of that fucking head.
unidentified
Oh, dude.
greg fitzsimmons
Just the biggest jaws.
unidentified
Dude.
greg fitzsimmons
Powerful.
joe rogan
Yeah.
jamie vernon
So the shark thing, I found articles saying what you were saying could not find a video, and I do believe when we found that before it was fake, and I'm trying to find Google even like fake, and it's not popping up.
joe rogan
The shark's in the body?
Just Google MRI image.
jamie vernon
I found something that kind of contradicts it, though.
This is a dead shark that they performed a C-section on, and there was 98 live pups inside of it.
joe rogan
Yeah, that's true, but that doesn't mean that it happens every time.
greg fitzsimmons
Oh, I know, I know, I know.
joe rogan
I think what I had read was that it happens often.
jamie vernon
This is the only thing I can find of a shark pregnancy.
greg fitzsimmons
That is crazy.
joe rogan
Look at all those sharks in there, man.
That is nuts.
And so he's just throwing them in the water.
He's pulling them out and saving them.
That is nuts, man.
Look at all those little monsters just swarming around.
greg fitzsimmons
Do you know that...
joe rogan
Fuck, that's crazy.
greg fitzsimmons
Do you know that millions, literally millions of sharks are hunted and killed every year?
joe rogan
That's crazy.
All for the soup?
greg fitzsimmons
Mostly, yeah.
joe rogan
You know, that's changed people's attitudes on shark fishing.
Because people used to catch shark and used to get it at restaurants all the time.
You remember on the East Coast, you'd get Mako shark?
You thought you were a fucking player?
greg fitzsimmons
Yeah, right.
joe rogan
I'm a pimp.
I'm getting some shark.
greg fitzsimmons
Right.
joe rogan
A little lemon, some butter.
greg fitzsimmons
Yeah.
joe rogan
Right?
It was a common thing.
They would serve in restaurants.
How many sharks are finned?
Research indicates that about 100 million sharks are killed each year.
unidentified
Wow.
joe rogan
Roughly 11,000 sharks an hour.
That is incredible.
greg fitzsimmons
Damn!
joe rogan
This is by finning.
That's incredible.
It's likely that many sharks are caught without being reported.
Oh, so the...
Okay.
So this is just what they're reporting.
My God.
That's sick.
This is like the first time I can remember in history that people are concerned with people fishing for sharks.
Because we talked about this.
Was it the governor of New York?
Who was it?
Who was the cat that got in trouble for legally catching a shark and cooking it and eating it?
I want to say it was the governor of New York.
greg fitzsimmons
Cuomo?
unidentified
I don't know.
joe rogan
Maybe the governor's son?
Whatever the fuck it is.
Jamie will find it.
jamie vernon
Andrew Cuomo tweeted a picture of himself after he caught a shark or something like that.
joe rogan
Yeah, so this was all normal.
When we were kids, this was normal as fuck.
That might as well be a marlin or a halibut.
It's just you got a shark.
Oh, cool.
What's it taste like?
Oh, it's good.
It's good.
You cook it with lemon, like swordfish.
greg fitzsimmons
Yeah, I remember eating shark.
It's a little tough.
I ate in Florida.
joe rogan
154 pound thresher shark.
So that's, you know, mako is particularly delicious.
It really does taste a lot like swordfish.
But in our lifetime, it's now become taboo because people have this rough idea of what a shark is and that sharks are being targeted and sharks are being murdered and there's a small amount of sharks left.
I don't know if that's accurate.
Because I think this is just in one part of the world, they're killing off all these sharks.
It's like if you say that there's no more grizzly bears left.
Well, if you're talking about California, you're right.
But if you're talking about British Columbia, you're wrong.
There's a fuckload of them up there.
And they're scary.
They're big.
They're big and they're fast and they need to eat every day.
And they eat berries.
If they find berries, they'll eat some berries.
Or they eat your asshole, too.
greg fitzsimmons
I'd present.
joe rogan
Would you say, this is it?
This is happening?
unidentified
This is it.
greg fitzsimmons
Let's do it right.
I was in Alaska once, and I was in, I forget what town, but there was an island called Bear Island.
unidentified
Oh, God.
greg fitzsimmons
And I rented, this guy had a 1948, I think it was called a...
A Stenson?
Some kind of plane.
Prop plane.
And I paid him a hundred bucks to take me over Bear Island in this fucking shitty little plane.
And we went out there, and it took him like 30 minutes to get the plane started.
And I was like, I should get the fuck out of here.
And so we go up, and the thing is getting tossed around by wind.
And we go out, and we go over Bear Island, and he's showing me fucking Bear Island.
It was like the highest concentration of bear anywhere in Alaska.
joe rogan
Jesus Christ.
Those bears are giant too, man.
Yeah.
The coastal bears, they're all eating seafood.
They're eating like fish and salmon and they just get enormous.
greg fitzsimmons
Yeah.
joe rogan
They're so big.
They're so much bigger than bears that are inland.
Like hundreds of pounds bigger.
greg fitzsimmons
What do the inland bears eat?
joe rogan
Whatever the fuck they get a hold of.
They'll eat salmon if they find salmon.
If there's a salmon river, they'll eat fish.
They'll eat berries.
They'll eat calves.
They eat a lot of calves.
They eat a lot of calves of elk and moose and deer, fawns.
They eat small things that can't get away.
They eat everything they can.
They're so big.
Imagine how much food you would have to eat if you weighed 800 pounds.
How much food would you have to eat every day?
greg fitzsimmons
Well, four times as much as you eat now.
joe rogan
Look at that fucking creep.
greg fitzsimmons
Yeah.
joe rogan
Look at that fucking long-nailed creep.
That's a monster, man.
unidentified
Yeah.
joe rogan
But we think it's Yogi.
greg fitzsimmons
Oh, it's Yogi.
joe rogan
Look, he's so cute.
He will eat your kid in front of you.
greg fitzsimmons
Yeah.
joe rogan
And that's what they have to do.
I mean, they're predators.
They're out there.
They're omnivores.
I mean, they do occasionally eat whatever the fuck they want.
They'll eat roots and berries.
They'll eat everything else, too.
But they'll definitely eat you.
greg fitzsimmons
Yeah.
joe rogan
And love it.
greg fitzsimmons
Yeah.
joe rogan
Have a good old time.
greg fitzsimmons
Yeah, that salmon's a perfect food for them.
It's all fat.
They just store it up.
joe rogan
Yep.
It's almost like it's designed for them, too, because the salmon die.
They literally die on the river.
You don't even have to catch them.
greg fitzsimmons
Oh, I didn't know that.
joe rogan
Every year.
greg fitzsimmons
Oh, when they have to die, they go back up to where they were born, right?
joe rogan
Yes.
They say that once the salmon make the trek from the ocean to the freshwater, they're already on a path to die.
Their clock has already gone over.
It's already flipped over into no return land.
You couldn't take them out of there and bring them to some salmon pond.
They live forever.
Doesn't work that way.
They breed, they make the trek, they breed, and when they get to the spot where, you know, at the end of their life, their body starts changing color, they start getting mushy, they look rotten, and they just fucking wind up like pooling up on the ground, and then the bears move in, and they eat hundreds of rotten ones.
See, this is while the salmon are in the run.
And these bears are, they're fighting over territory.
Look at the size of these motherfuckers.
Jesus Christ, dude.
They're fighting over who gets the salmon.
greg fitzsimmons
Yeah.
joe rogan
But these are salmon that are still pretty fresh and healthy.
They're swimming around.
They look good.
And so they catch them.
Like, that's a perfectly healthy salmon, and he catches it right in the middle of it.
I tried.
He's all slow-mo and shit.
Here he goes.
They're trying.
They catch some of them.
Ooh, come on, bitch.
jamie vernon
Same one.
Oh, there you go.
greg fitzsimmons
Ooh, look at that.
joe rogan
Look at that.
Imagine just standing in freezing cold water waiting to catch something with your mouth.
greg fitzsimmons
That's delicious.
joe rogan
Right, but they figured it out and it works.
greg fitzsimmons
Yep.
joe rogan
Look at the Cubs.
They're like, come on, Mom.
What the fuck?
So mom's probably going to give them some of that.
Yeah, see, she breaks off pieces of it.
And so they just keep doing that back and forth, and they'll do that all day.
But then, once the salmon are done with their run, then they just die.
And coincidentally, when they're dying, it's probably right when the bears are trying to fatten up and get ready for hibernation.
So it all sort of happens together.
And they're all in the right place at the right time.
See if you can find bears eating rotten salmon.
Because sometimes they'll pool up in these rivers, in these little ponds and shit, and you just see all these bears just chewing on these rotten carcasses.
greg fitzsimmons
Yeah.
Yeah, those salmon are endangered now.
We eat so much more fish.
Remember when I was a kid, I'd have fish once every three weeks?
Now, I mean, maybe it's because we're in L.A., but I have fish a few times a week.
joe rogan
Do you?
greg fitzsimmons
Yeah, I have some fucking sushi one day.
Wife will cook some salmon on another day.
Go get one of those poke bowls.
We're constantly eating salmon.
joe rogan
It's a lot of food.
Think about all those little organisms that have to fuck.
Well, not really.
Shoot loads on eggs.
greg fitzsimmons
Yeah.
joe rogan
Make new organisms.
And then all the people with nets scooping them up.
Did you see a tuna got sold in Japan for the highest amount ever?
greg fitzsimmons
Oh, I saw that, yeah.
joe rogan
$3 million for a tuna.
Shit.
I had no idea.
Did you have any idea that a tuna could be $3 million?
greg fitzsimmons
I know that they wait on the dock in Japan, and certain chefs have more cachet, and they're able to come in first and pick the tuna, but then they auction them off, and yeah, they go for crazy money.
joe rogan
That's so crazy.
That's a giant fucking fish, though.
Isn't it like 600 pounds or something?
How much does it cost?
greg fitzsimmons
Yeah, at least.
joe rogan
278 kilograms.
What's that in English?
jamie vernon
2.2.
Yeah, close to 6. Yeah.
joe rogan
Look at that thing.
God damn.
Imagine how hard that is to bring in.
greg fitzsimmons
Yeah.
joe rogan
I caught a yellowtail in Hawaii that was like 11 pounds.
greg fitzsimmons
Oh yeah?
joe rogan
A battle.
greg fitzsimmons
Really?
joe rogan
What a battle.
Yeah.
613 pounds.
Wow.
Yeah, we caught quite a few of them.
You know what's interesting?
They're catching ones they're calling Hamachi, because they were actually from a Hamachi farm that was on the Big Island that broke during the storm.
Remember that storm there a couple years back?
Giant fucking hurricane that hit Hawaii?
Well, it destroyed this containment area that they had where they were farm-raising Hamachi for sushi and shit.
So now this type of yellowtail is everywhere in the ocean.
greg fitzsimmons
Oh, wow.
joe rogan
Yeah, we caught quite a few of them.
greg fitzsimmons
Did you eat them?
joe rogan
Yeah, they're great.
greg fitzsimmons
So you caught it there, you brought it back to the hotel, and then they fried it up for you?
joe rogan
Yeah, they'll cook it for you, yeah.
unidentified
Wow.
joe rogan
Yeah.
Oh, it's amazing.
So good.
They made sushi for us.
They made sashimi.
They made ceviche.
unidentified
Wow.
joe rogan
They baked it.
They cooked it a couple of different ways, but they're so powerful.
A 10-pound one, 9-pound one is so powerful.
You can't believe how strong they are.
You're wrestling with them when you're trying to get them into the belly.
So imagine that thing, 600 pounds.
greg fitzsimmons
Damn.
joe rogan
Holy shit.
greg fitzsimmons
Were you out with the whole family fishing?
joe rogan
No, just my youngest.
My youngest daughter loves it.
greg fitzsimmons
Did she love it?
joe rogan
Loves it.
She loves fishing.
greg fitzsimmons
Yeah.
joe rogan
Yeah.
We put a video up of the dolphins that were with us.
greg fitzsimmons
I saw that.
joe rogan
It's crazy, man.
greg fitzsimmons
That was amazing.
I've never seen that many dolphins swim with a boat before.
joe rogan
Me neither.
It was incredible.
We just hit the right spot, and then they all decided to swim with the boat.
They just get in front of the boat as the boat's pushing the water, and they sort of surf it.
greg fitzsimmons
That's amazing.
joe rogan
So crazy.
You worry about you're going to hit them.
You worry that they're going to...
Right.
The people who run in the boat, they don't worry about it at all.
The dolphins know exactly what they're doing.
greg fitzsimmons
Yeah.
joe rogan
They're smart as shit.
greg fitzsimmons
Yeah.
joe rogan
It's weird to watch, man.
It's weird to watch them all coordinate together.
And then when they're done, they were done.
Like, bye!
greg fitzsimmons
Yeah.
joe rogan
They take off.
greg fitzsimmons
Wow.
Yeah, my daughter surfs and they come out.
They play around a little bit.
Sometimes they ride the waves when she's surfing.
joe rogan
That's one of the dark sides of fishing, right?
Commercial fishing is what happens in Japan.
They take those dolphins and they look at them as competition.
They're going to kill their tuna.
They've been doing that forever, the large-scale slaughter of them.
That's scary shit.
greg fitzsimmons
They just shoot them?
joe rogan
They cut them.
Have you ever seen the documentary, The Cove?
greg fitzsimmons
Oh, no, I heard about that.
joe rogan
It's awful.
It's awful.
It's like they're slaughtering water people.
That's what it's like.
Yeah.
What a dolphin is, is some strange, super intelligent creature that we don't totally understand.
unidentified
Yeah.
joe rogan
And they can talk.
They can talk to each other and we don't know what they're saying, but they know what they're saying.
Yeah.
We could train them.
You could ride them.
You could do flips for fish.
All this kind of stuff.
That's all true.
That's all true.
But what's also true is they have a giant brain.
They have a huge brain.
They have a cerebral cortex that's 40% larger than a person.
greg fitzsimmons
No shit?
joe rogan
Yeah.
greg fitzsimmons
Wow.
joe rogan
It's designed for the movement of its body, because it's a lot larger body.
But they think it's also got some sort of probably not totally understood or measured cognitive ability.
They don't know how smart they really are.
We were talking about Timothy Leary.
He used to pal around with John Lilly.
John Lilly is the guy who invented the isolation tank.
He was a pioneer in interspecies communication.
He would give dolphins acid.
greg fitzsimmons
Really?
joe rogan
He would set the float tank up next to the dolphin tank and take acid and get in there with them.
He was trying to figure out a way to get dolphins to speak.
He would get them to make a noise that sounds like, Hello!
You know, but they don't have the vocal cords.
They can't make the sounds that we expect.
greg fitzsimmons
Yeah.
joe rogan
But their sounds, we don't understand.
greg fitzsimmons
Right.
joe rogan
Which is weird, because they know what you're saying.
If you say, okay, we're going to jump now, we're going to jump, we're going to give you a fish.
They know what you're saying.
We have no idea what they're saying.
greg fitzsimmons
Yeah.
Yeah, it's weird when you, what is the cutoff for killing an intelligent animal?
unidentified
Right.
greg fitzsimmons
You know, like you can't kill dogs, cats.
unidentified
Right.
joe rogan
Dogs aren't nearly as smart as dolphins.
greg fitzsimmons
Right.
joe rogan
Yeah.
But you can kill dogs in some spots.
It's cultural.
greg fitzsimmons
Yeah.
joe rogan
Because pigs are probably as smart as dogs.
greg fitzsimmons
Oh, yeah.
Pigs are really smart.
unidentified
I mean, that's a tricky one.
joe rogan
All of it is, you know...
That is one of our criteria.
Like, even a lot of vegetarians will still step on roaches.
greg fitzsimmons
Yeah.
joe rogan
You know, our criteria is how smart is the thing?
How close is it to us?
The further it's away from us, the easier we could...
Like, nobody gives a fuck about oysters.
greg fitzsimmons
Yeah.
joe rogan
You know?
Sad when an oyster gets got?
I don't care.
I don't care at all.
I don't feel a thing.
greg fitzsimmons
Yeah.
joe rogan
When someone shucks an oyster and opens it up and scoops it out and swallows it, I'm like, hey, was it good?
greg fitzsimmons
Yeah.
joe rogan
I'm not like, ah, poor little piggy.
But the poor little piggy, that's real.
It's like, that thing's smart.
Oh, it's so scared, so terrified.
greg fitzsimmons
Yeah.
joe rogan
All those things are dumb.
greg fitzsimmons
What about lobsters getting thrown in a pot?
Can you do that?
I can't do that.
joe rogan
Oh yeah, I can do it.
greg fitzsimmons
Freaks me out.
unidentified
Really?
greg fitzsimmons
That they're like moving around and alive and then you throw them in and don't they scream?
joe rogan
They're bugs.
Yeah, they scream.
They sing first.
Yeah.
No, they don't scream.
greg fitzsimmons
They don't?
joe rogan
No.
greg fitzsimmons
It's not like the frog at Carnegie Hall.
joe rogan
I don't think they can make noise.
I don't think they make noise.
They're lobsters.
greg fitzsimmons
Yeah.
joe rogan
Yeah, but they taste fucking good, huh?
greg fitzsimmons
I'll eat tons of them.
When I used to work in Boston at the Copley Marriott, that was my day job for a while in college, and then when I first started doing stand-up, and we used to go down, and it was the biggest banquet hall in Boston, so we used to get all these conventions, all these fucking hayseed farmers who'd come from the Midwest, and And they'd stay in the hotel and they could order any kind of dinner they wanted for their banquet.
But they always wanted the pilgrim banquet.
And we used to have to fucking dress up as pilgrims.
And we would serve lobster.
It didn't even make any sense.
It's like two different things.
So they would make – and the thing about banquet cooking is you cook 10% more than the amount of people you're feeding just in case.
Which meant there was like, you know, 30 college kids all waiting tables.
And so after we fed them, they would usually have like a presentation or whatever, a comedian or a speaker.
So we would leave the room for like an hour and a half and we would just fucking go to town on like a hundred lobsters.
joe rogan
Wow.
greg fitzsimmons
You could eat like three lobsters if you wanted.
unidentified
Really?
greg fitzsimmons
And then our friends were all working the bars.
They were all the bartenders.
So we'd be doing shots.
unidentified
Wow.
greg fitzsimmons
Drinking beer.
So the upside was you lived like a king.
The downside was you were dressed like a fucking asshole.
joe rogan
You remember clam bakes?
People would do them on the beach.
greg fitzsimmons
Oh yeah, those were good.
joe rogan
Like a clam bake where you would bury it and put seaweed over the top and shit.
greg fitzsimmons
Wet seaweed and it would just steam everything.
joe rogan
I've never done it.
I've only eaten it at a restaurant when you order a clam bake and they give you some.
I've never done the beach thing.
greg fitzsimmons
I did it with Kevin Flynn in Nantucket.
joe rogan
God damn, it looks attractive.
greg fitzsimmons
Yeah.
It's very attractive.
unidentified
It's great.
joe rogan
It's very earthy, right?
greg fitzsimmons
Put the fucking corn in there, everything.
Potatoes.
joe rogan
There's something about a bonfire on the beach, right?
It's like extra special.
greg fitzsimmons
Yeah.
joe rogan
Like, here it is.
That's it right there.
How to make a steam pit.
Make a nice fucking steam pit.
Look at that.
We got lobsters.
We got corn.
We got clams.
Yeah, it would be lobsters and corn and clams.
greg fitzsimmons
Potatoes.
joe rogan
Yeah, potatoes.
And it would all be buried in like a burlap sack under the ground.
Mussels, too.
God damn it, that looks good.
People say they don't like lobster.
I just do not understand that.
You know who doesn't like lobster?
Eddie Bravo.
Won't eat fish.
Hates fish.
jamie vernon
I'm not a big fan.
joe rogan
You son of a bitch.
greg fitzsimmons
Lobster and crab.
Nice Alaskan crab.
jamie vernon
I can do a little bit.
joe rogan
Look at that with the green stuff.
What is that?
Minced onions or something?
What is that?
greg fitzsimmons
You call it crow, I think?
joe rogan
No, what's the stuff on the...
No, that's not what that is.
That's like a spice, right?
Because it's on the corn, too.
greg fitzsimmons
Oh, yeah.
joe rogan
I think that's like a...
What is that?
Like a celery or something like that?
Parsley?
Chopped parsley or some shit?
greg fitzsimmons
A roe.
And then the eggs are the roe.
That's at the top.
That shit's nasty.
joe rogan
I like it.
greg fitzsimmons
You eat the roe?
joe rogan
I eat everything.
greg fitzsimmons
No shit.
joe rogan
I chew the inner cartilage up.
And I suck the meat out of it.
I feel like if that thing is going to die, I'm going to eat as much of it as I can.
I bite into the...
You know how you take the back?
greg fitzsimmons
Yeah.
joe rogan
And there's that meat underneath with all the crazy gills and all that shit?
I just chew into that stuff.
greg fitzsimmons
Really?
joe rogan
Yeah, I chew it up.
Chew it up good.
greg fitzsimmons
Dunk all that shit in butter?
joe rogan
Yeah, that's good.
greg fitzsimmons
Then I'd throw a move on one of those waitresses.
I'm dressed as a pilgrim.
I'm drunk.
Hit on some girl from Boston College.
joe rogan
Did you know that lobsters were like poor people food in New York?
They would just go out to the East River and pull them out of the water and serve them as bar food and poor people food?
greg fitzsimmons
Do you know in Ireland during the famine, they were pulling fucking lobster out of the ocean?
Wouldn't eat it.
They considered it like rats.
joe rogan
Oh my god.
greg fitzsimmons
The British would just ship it off.
joe rogan
That is so crazy.
How'd they not figure it out?
greg fitzsimmons
They're drunk.
joe rogan
One person just boiled it up, made some butter.
Just shut the fuck up and try this.
People are like, what?
I've been avoiding this?
greg fitzsimmons
What have I been thinking?
joe rogan
What the fuck have I been doing, lad?
greg fitzsimmons
The whole family's starving.
joe rogan
It's goddamn delicious.
We've been eating potatoes.
unidentified
We could've been eating this fucking lobster.
Oh, we've been eating this fucking Lucky Charms.
joe rogan
Dude, it's almost four o'clock.
greg fitzsimmons
No.
joe rogan
We've been rambling forever.
It's a goddamn time warp in this building.
unidentified
Jesus.
joe rogan
How long have we been doing this?
317. Three hours and 17 minutes.
greg fitzsimmons
Damn.
Plus we talked for about a half hour before the start.
Can I plug some dates?
joe rogan
Please do.
greg fitzsimmons
Ladies and gentlemen, live comedy coming to you.
I'm going to be in Cleveland, one of my favorite clubs, Hilarities.
joe rogan
Love that place.
greg fitzsimmons
January 17th through 19th.
joe rogan
That's a great spot.
greg fitzsimmons
Yeah, I love that place.
And Boston.
I'll be in Boston.
Laugh Boston, January 31st.
joe rogan
Last time I was in Cleveland, you were in Cleveland, and I did it with you.
greg fitzsimmons
That's right.
You stopped by and did it at a surprise guest spot.
joe rogan
That was fun.
That was fun.
greg fitzsimmons
Grand Rapids, Michigan in February, and then a bunch of other dates coming up.
And Best Buddies.
I'm doing a benefit January 27th.
At the Comedy Store.
Are you around?
Bill Burr is going to be on the show.
joe rogan
Hang on a second.
greg fitzsimmons
I think you did it last year.
I think I did do it last year.
It's benefiting a group that helps intellectually disabled people.
joe rogan
The 27th is a Sunday night.
I'm in, Gregory!
greg fitzsimmons
We got it!
Joe Rogan's in.
Come see it.
joe rogan
I'm in!
greg fitzsimmons
I've also got a new podcast with Alison Rosen called Childish, where we talk about raising kids together.
joe rogan
I really like her.
greg fitzsimmons
Isn't she great?
joe rogan
She's very cool.
I've had her on, and I did her when she was on Adam Crow.
I did the show with her and them together.
I like her a lot.
I think I did it a couple times with her and Adam.
I like her a lot.
greg fitzsimmons
We used to do each other's podcasts constantly, and we just realized she was my best chemistry, so we just started a podcast.
joe rogan
Yeah, she's kind.
She's super smart.
greg fitzsimmons
She's cool.
joe rogan
She's reasonable.
You can tell she's thinking about things.
greg fitzsimmons
Right.
joe rogan
Yeah, that's awesome, man.
I'm glad you're doing that.
greg fitzsimmons
Yeah.
joe rogan
And what is it called again?
greg fitzsimmons
Childish.
She's got a baby and another one on the way, and it's kind of me trying to teach her how to parent, and she's not buying it.
joe rogan
How many do you do a week?
greg fitzsimmons
We just do one a week.
I think we've done like seven so far.
joe rogan
Nice.
And you still do your own, right?
greg fitzsimmons
Yep.
What's it called?
unidentified
Fitzdog Radio.
greg fitzsimmons
How many hours have we been talking?
Holy shit.
joe rogan
We're burnt out.
Greg Fitz...
What is it?
Fitzdog Radio.com?
greg fitzsimmons
Fitzdog Radio and Fitzdog.com for tickets.
joe rogan
Fitzdog.com.
greg fitzsimmons
Yeah.
joe rogan
Fitzdog.com.
Greg Fitzsimmons on Instagram.
Greg Fitzshow on Twitter.
greg fitzsimmons
Nice.
Yeah.
unidentified
Come on, man.
greg fitzsimmons
We're friends.
Look at you.
joe rogan
That's it, you fucks.
Bye.
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