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Aug. 31, 2018 - The Joe Rogan Experience
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Joe Rogan Experience #1165 - Tom Papa
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tom papa
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jamie vernon
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joe rogan
Four, three, two, one.
unidentified
Yee-haw!
joe rogan
Tom Papa!
We're just talking about moving into the woods together.
tom papa
This feels so good.
joe rogan
A little tiny house with three pairs of shoes, three pairs of pants.
tom papa
Maybe two.
joe rogan
Some shirts.
tom papa
Yeah.
That's it.
The last clothing you'll ever buy.
One coat.
joe rogan
Yeah.
Everybody's just out here.
Chasing bigger and better, Tom Popo.
tom papa
Just why?
Why?
joe rogan
I'm starting to wonder.
I was telling you guys that I was looking at this house that's for sale in Northern California in the Redwoods.
It's 320 feet square.
Tiny ass fucking house.
The whole house.
It's got a loft.
The loft is where you sleep in.
tom papa
A tiny home.
joe rogan
The tiny thing below it is like a little tiny kitchen.
tom papa
Yeah.
joe rogan
And a little tiny like couch area.
That's it.
tom papa
Like a houseboat like with like built-in things.
joe rogan
Yeah, it's kind of like a houseboat.
Cubbies.
Yeah, yeah, yeah.
They make those now.
tom papa
Think about how simple your life would be.
joe rogan
It would be, but would you be content?
tom papa
That's very small.
joe rogan
You'd be great for a little while.
tom papa
That's very small.
360. Yeah, that's...
I want a shower.
joe rogan
Like that.
Look at that little tiny house.
tom papa
That's three...
No, come on.
That's...
joe rogan
That's not the one, is it?
tom papa
That's bigger than that.
That's 1,000 square feet.
joe rogan
320 foot.
It says 320 foot tiny cabin in Big Bear.
unidentified
Oh, that's in Big Bear.
tom papa
Oh, my God.
joe rogan
That's attainable.
tom papa
That's bigger than we need.
joe rogan
Is that still for sale?
Hold this video.
tom papa
Let's chip in today.
jamie vernon
Got put up last year.
joe rogan
320 foot tiny cabin in Big Bear.
Amazing small house.
unidentified
Oh my god.
joe rogan
Aww.
You know what we should do, Jamie?
tom papa
So simple.
joe rogan
We should buy that place and turn it into our Big Bear studio.
That's what we should do.
Do fucking show.
I bet the show's up there.
I bet if we did a show in Big Bear in the woods like that, it would have a totally different feel to it.
tom papa
Yeah, because you'd be hearing your guests screaming in the background being mauled by mountain lions.
joe rogan
But if you did do a show up there, how the fuck would you convince people to drive two hours?
jamie vernon
Couldn't we get people that are training up there or something like that?
Maybe they could pop over?
joe rogan
Yeah, you get like four guys.
Gennady Golovkin and Tito Ortiz would come over every day.
And then you'd be like, okay, I get it.
You ate Chuck Liddell.
jamie vernon
I get it.
joe rogan
I get it.
Canelo's a pussy.
I get it!
tom papa
I don't know.
I mean, the fantasy is that that becomes a simple life.
You pare down everything, all the aggravation.
You get maybe two bills come to the house.
joe rogan
I'll tell you what.
tom papa
Would you go crazy?
joe rogan
If I didn't have a family, it wouldn't be a problem.
unidentified
Yeah.
joe rogan
If it was just single Joe, no family, no kids, it wouldn't be a problem.
I would just go...
I mean, I really probably think I would already have a place like that up there.
tom papa
Right.
joe rogan
Where I could just go and chill.
tom papa
Yeah.
joe rogan
I just think...
tom papa
I was thinking of just a little place like that, like a little hideout next to the house, like Mark Twain had.
joe rogan
Did he have a place like that next to his house?
tom papa
He had a little octagon kind of a room, and he would leave his house with his daughters and his wife, and he would go up the steps and go into his little thing.
Yeah.
And on this table was just his pipe, a box of cigars, his writing pads, His pens.
And he just would hang out there and smoke all day and work.
And then he would go back home.
Maybe that's enough.
Maybe that cuts the edge off.
It gives you your isolation and your simplicity.
And then you return back to the people you have to feed.
joe rogan
It's a little something.
That'll work if you've got the people you have to feed.
If you don't have the people you have to feed, straight woods, bro.
tom papa
Oh, yeah.
joe rogan
Caught a path.
tom papa
Well, that's going to be the real trick.
When the kids leave, when they get big enough and they take off, and it's just down to you and your wife.
joe rogan
And then the wife wants to get like five dogs.
tom papa
She's probably like encouraging you to go get a cabin.
joe rogan
Get another dog.
Let's get another dog.
I love dogs.
Let's rescue a dog.
Let's adopt a kid.
Whoa.
unidentified
Yeah.
joe rogan
They want to keep you tethered.
jamie vernon
Well...
joe rogan
Tethered to little things.
tom papa
They're the nester.
unidentified
Yep.
tom papa
They're the nest.
If the nest is empty, that's their job.
They build that nest, want everyone in that nest safe, and that's what they're built to do.
joe rogan
Do you ever see women that have a bunch of dogs, and you go, like, you know you want a kid, right?
You know you want...
I just don't have the time for a kid.
How much time have you spent on these fucking dogs?
It's probably pretty close.
tom papa
No, it's just me and my fluffy babies.
joe rogan
I'm a dog mom.
tom papa
I'm just fluffy babies.
joe rogan
But what is it about people that want to further complicate their lives?
What is it?
Why does everybody always want big...
Is that just a part of the...
The genes, is that what it is?
Like, what is it?
tom papa
Well, we have, I think, a drive in us to always do more, explore more, push more, right?
There's something built into human beings that have that.
And then we have a system that rewards that in capitalism.
So that's the board game that we're all playing.
So it keeps you racing to get more stuff and bigger house and more things.
You know what I mean?
If that didn't exist, if you weren't able to accumulate that stuff, what would we be doing?
We'd still be striving, but for other stuff.
But this is our reality, so it manifests itself in more cars, a bigger house.
joe rogan
Yeah.
tom papa
Fiber optics.
joe rogan
Right.
You're always trying to survive, but surviving is not that hard today.
tom papa
Right.
Good point.
joe rogan
So you try to instead, you know, because it's not too complicated to go find your food.
tom papa
Right.
joe rogan
There's not a lot of, like, puzzles and challenges.
tom papa
Shelters taken care of.
joe rogan
So you start thinking, you know what?
I just need a new car.
This car is two years old.
unidentified
Yeah.
joe rogan
This car's got 20,000 miles on it.
This is ridiculous.
Why am I driving a car with 20,000 miles on it?
It smells like my farts.
tom papa
Yeah.
No, it makes you...
Yeah, you just keep going.
But then I think you do that long enough, you start to realize, hopefully, that that stuff doesn't really make you happier.
It does to an extent.
Like, when you get out of your poor days and you kind of, like, get above water and you help your family out and you get some stuff you're proud of...
But then you just start adding more stress.
joe rogan
Yeah.
tom papa
Because your bigger bills and bigger taxes and all this stuff you've got to fill up, it actually does the opposite.
It makes you more stressed.
You're not as happy.
And then you've got to kind of strike that balance.
joe rogan
It seems like it's...
Jim Carrey's been on this kick, explaining that to people.
Because, you know, Jim Carrey said, I'm paraphrasing him, but basically his quote was, I wish everybody would get rich and famous and they would see that that's not what makes you happy.
tom papa
Right.
joe rogan
Because, you know, people think that, hey, if I was rich and famous, I would be happy.
unidentified
Yeah.
joe rogan
And he said, I wish that everyone would get rich and famous so they'd realize that that's not the answer.
tom papa
Yeah.
What does he say is the answer?
joe rogan
He likes to make paintings shitting on people, mocking them.
That seems to make him happy.
tom papa
Oh, is that his art?
joe rogan
Yeah.
tom papa
I know he paints.
I didn't know.
I'm like, hey, wait a minute.
joe rogan
Where's the piece in love, bro?
tom papa
Oh, really?
It's aggressive?
joe rogan
His paintings are all like shitting on people and mocking people that are clearly assholes.
But I mean, it's not like he's like trying to accentuate the love in the world.
tom papa
Right.
joe rogan
He's just shitting all over these bad people.
tom papa
That makes him happy.
unidentified
Yeah.
joe rogan
I mean, I don't know.
Is that good?
tom papa
Yeah.
joe rogan
Is it good to focus on the bad people?
Like, does anybody change their opinion based on Jim Carrey's art?
I don't know.
I was like a big Jeff Sessions fan.
tom papa
Right.
joe rogan
Until I saw these paintings.
tom papa
And then, yeah.
joe rogan
When Jim Carrey's got them with a giant fucking wart-covered dick, holding it out in front of him, jizzing all over the Constitution.
tom papa
This little Yoda head.
unidentified
Yeah, I don't know.
tom papa
That's always a question.
It's like how much of art that rails against something Is it effective in changing that thing that you're railing against?
Does it actually have an impact?
Is it a slow impact?
Does it change over time?
I don't know.
joe rogan
It depends on the art.
Here's an example.
I think Tina Fey legitimately changed the way people feel about Sarah Palin.
I think she legitimately may have affected...
The way people were willing to accept Sarah Palin or vote for her.
Because her impression of her was so brilliant.
I don't know if people remember it.
tom papa
Oh, yeah.
joe rogan
It was so goddamn good.
tom papa
She looked exactly like her.
joe rogan
She looked like her.
tom papa
Her attitude.
joe rogan
And she said things that people eventually attributed to Sarah Palin because they thought that Sarah Palin actually said it because Tina Fey said it.
tom papa
Yeah.
joe rogan
She fucking nailed it.
Dude, she's so funny.
Her show, Kimmy Schmidt, have you seen that show?
Yeah, a couple of them.
It's one of my favorite shows.
tom papa
Oh, yeah?
joe rogan
It's so good.
It's Tina Fey's show.
tom papa
Yeah, I know.
joe rogan
She's in it sometimes.
She plays a...
tom papa
The lead is great, but just optimistic.
unidentified
Look at her.
joe rogan
I mean, get the fuck out of here.
That is so crazy.
Right now, the audio folks, we're looking at an image of Tina Fey as Sarah Palin right next to Sarah Palin.
And it's fucking indistinguishable almost.
It's so good.
tom papa
Wow.
But do you think she affected people who already liked Sarah Palin?
joe rogan
If you like Sarah Palin, you don't know what you like.
You're out of your fucking mind.
Those people like Sarah Palin, they were out of their fucking minds.
I mean, they're basically working with a less than functional brain.
If you thought that that was a good idea, that that lady could be running things.
tom papa
Yeah, like that close to being president.
joe rogan
She was a construct, too, you know.
tom papa
She was an entertainer.
joe rogan
But, I mean, Sarah Palin was a construct.
She wasn't what everybody thought she was.
Like, there was one...
There's a story.
I don't...
Not 100% sure this is true, but it makes sense.
That someone shot a caribou, and then they drove her to the caribou, they gave her the rifle, and she stood over the caribou and took photos.
So that they could show, hey, she's a hunter!
She's like us, us regular folk, out here hunting caribou.
Find out if that's true.
tom papa
Just a public relations kind of thing?
joe rogan
We need to Google if that's true.
tom papa
Clarification.
joe rogan
I believe it, you know?
tom papa
Yeah, of course.
You know, that's the way all that stuff is.
joe rogan
Do I believe it because I want to believe it?
Am I an asshole?
unidentified
Maybe she's a good down-home woman.
tom papa
Yeah, hey, look, she was the governor of Alaska.
joe rogan
That's easy.
I could be the governor of Alaska, too.
tom papa
She had showbiz.
joe rogan
Okay, Sarah Palin shoots caribou after missing five times.
Shown shooting caribou on the latest episode of a reality television show.
Okay.
tom papa
What's amazing is how she really fell off.
Wait a minute.
joe rogan
Is she just shooting it freehand?
She doesn't have a rest?
Okay.
Why would you do that?
tom papa
Okay.
joe rogan
Okay, let me see.
Let's show this.
Let me see how she does.
Okay, this is fucking stupid.
Listen, folks.
The only reason to do this...
Does she have a rest?
She's freehanding this.
Okay.
Look, they got the packs on it.
Now she's gonna rest it.
unidentified
Hmm.
tom papa
They said I rest for her.
joe rogan
Tiny little caribou, too.
That's why the caribou's still around.
tom papa
She's just firing.
joe rogan
That's a juvenile caribou.
No, she hasn't shot yet.
Let's see.
tom papa
I think she has.
joe rogan
Oh, it went down.
tom papa
She took some shots.
joe rogan
Oh, she took some shots and missed?
tom papa
Yeah.
joe rogan
Okay, that's why.
So she free-handed it first, and then she needed a rest.
She should have used a rest immediately.
And I've shot animals free-handing, but never far away.
I shot a moose at 60 yards free-handed.
tom papa
What's wrong with free-handing it?
joe rogan
Because you're not as accurate.
tom papa
Yeah.
joe rogan
You know, with a bow...
Well, a bow is more accurate.
Honestly, a bow, I'm more accurate with a bow at like 60, 70 yards freehand.
Not more accurate, but in the range than I am with a rifle.
With a rifle, when you get out, you could shoot accurately on a rest, like way out longer distances.
But when you're just holding it up like that, it's based on, I mean, you've got to kind of lock it into your body, but it's hard to keep it steady.
tom papa
But isn't a bow?
joe rogan
No, a bow, the thing is about the tension of the bow.
Your arm is kind of locked out and the tension of the bow, you could keep your arm pretty fucking steady.
And I practice it every day like that.
So I'm practicing keeping my arm very steady every day.
So all these stabilizer muscles in my shoulder are very strong.
tom papa
And having a gun out there is just like...
joe rogan
It's just a little...
And also there's like the recoil.
If you're not used to shooting and it doesn't look like she's used to shooting, she didn't immediately go for the rest.
Like a seasoned hunter would have either lane prone or throw their pack down, immediately put that rifle over it and settle in.
So the rifle's resting on something.
tom papa
Gotcha.
joe rogan
You know, but a lot of times they'll bring, like, sticks.
tom papa
A pod.
joe rogan
They also weren't making a reality show for TLC. See, but see, what I've read, though, that there was a photo shoot they did.
See if you can find this.
unidentified
This shot's fake.
jamie vernon
Do you think that the...
joe rogan
Well, I think it's fake.
jamie vernon
Well, they just put a circle around the caribou.
joe rogan
Yeah, but that's just for the filming.
The caribou definitely went down.
What, somebody?
Yeah, but, I mean, I don't think...
She shot it and it went down.
I think it's most likely she shot it and it went down.
Because you see the way she's reacting and everybody else is reacting.
That seems pretty real to me.
It's not impossible to shoot an animal.
Especially, that's a juvenile caribou.
See how little their antlers are?
tom papa
He's like, hey guys, what are you doing?
joe rogan
That's what you would call, like if that was an elk, you would call that a spike.
tom papa
Hey look, it's people!
jamie vernon
I'm just thinking about the production here.
There's one camera on her, and then there's one behind them, but that means that they then have a third that's focused just on the animal, and then it means there's three camera guys out there with them.
That just sounds like a lot.
tom papa
Yeah, and the caribou's like, hey, I'm going to be on TV.
joe rogan
That's a good point.
They might have recreated the...
It's a good point.
You know what, man?
The reality is whenever you're dealing with air quote reality shows, there's massive fuckery involved.
tom papa
Oh, yeah.
And editing and please.
But back to whether you could affect it, whether or not the art can affect what you think of people.
I think that affects it.
Yeah.
I mean, what Trump did during the election, he liked calling people out and mocking them.
Yeah, but is that art?
No, it's not art, but he was kind of like a Long Island comedian, like an insult comic.
He was just going after these guys, Crazy Ted and Little Water Guy.
I mean, he was doing an act.
It was very much entertainment.
joe rogan
The Lion Ted...
Crazy Hillary, Crazy Bernie, no.
tom papa
Crooked Hillary.
joe rogan
Crooked Hillary and Crazy Bernie.
jamie vernon
He's going to defend Teddy, he said, at a big rally.
joe rogan
Defend him?
jamie vernon
Yeah, he's...
joe rogan
For what?
jamie vernon
For the Texas thing he's in.
joe rogan
What are you talking about?
jamie vernon
I'll pull it up right now.
tom papa
Pocahontas?
jamie vernon
Yeah, he's in a race right now with...
I forget the guy's name.
It's Betty O'Rourke or Patty O'Rourke.
No, I'll pull it up.
joe rogan
Okay, so he's defending him in what way?
jamie vernon
He's going to hold a big rally for him.
tom papa
Oh.
Pocahontas.
joe rogan
How gross is that after they talk so much shit about each other?
tom papa
Who, Cruz?
jamie vernon
Yeah.
tom papa
Is that what he said?
Yeah, after he says his father killed Kennedy or something.
joe rogan
He said his father was a Zodiac killer.
tom papa
Yeah.
joe rogan
I'll be doing a major rally for Senator Ted Cruz in October.
I'm picking the biggest stadium in Texas we can find.
As you know, Ted has my complete and total endorsement.
I like how he wrote endorsement with a capital E. His opponent is a disaster for Texas.
Weak on Second Amendment, crime, borders, military, and vets.
There was an article yesterday showing all the times that Trump has been lying.
It's stunning.
But one of the more recent ones was he was...
You know, he did an interview where he was talking about...
God damn it.
jamie vernon
Lester Holt.
joe rogan
Lester Holt.
That's right.
It was Lester Holt.
And he was saying that they fudged that interview and it cost them badly.
And so then they played the transcript.
They showed the transcript of the interview.
They released the full interview.
There's no fudging.
tom papa
No, they just played it as is.
joe rogan
Yeah, like, what are you talking about?
But he says stuff like that.
tom papa
Right.
And he says, what you saw is not real.
The truth is not the truth.
Right.
joe rogan
Well, that was what Giuliani said.
tom papa
Nothing's real except what I tell you is real.
joe rogan
I just think that they've realized that there's a certain percentage of the people that are with them that just need some wiggle room.
They just need somewhere to argue.
They just need some conspiracy threat.
They're not thinkers.
They just need a little bit of something that they could run with and use to argue.
tom papa
So if comedians come out and attack Trump and, you know, there's comics that are, you know, Bill Maher and all these people that come out and really go against him, does it have any effect?
joe rogan
It has an effect.
tom papa
It does?
joe rogan
For sure.
I think Alec Baldwin has the most effect.
tom papa
Uh-huh.
joe rogan
That impression that he does.
tom papa
When he does the impression of him.
joe rogan
That impression's brilliant.
tom papa
Yeah.
joe rogan
It's very good.
I mean, it makes Trump angry, too.
Trump keeps shitting on him.
tom papa
And he keeps watching it.
He can't stop watching it.
joe rogan
That alone has an effect.
tom papa
Yeah.
joe rogan
You know?
tom papa
Yeah.
joe rogan
But it's like, I've never seen a time where people are more angry at the press and like going along with the conspiracy thread of the deep state.
tom papa
Yeah.
joe rogan
The deep state trying to take out the POTUS. I love how they call them POTUS too.
It's fucking Donald Trump!
unidentified
Stop!
joe rogan
No, no, no.
POTUS is this and that.
He's going to do this and clean the swamp.
tom papa
I'm like, what?
joe rogan
It's Donald Trump.
Why are you saying POTUS? If you want to say Trump, that's fine.
If you want to say President Trump, that's fine too.
If you want to call him POTUS, you're doing some sneaky shit there.
I'm not sure what you're doing, but I don't like it.
tom papa
Anytime you use code words, I'm out.
joe rogan
I don't like what you're doing there.
unidentified
Yeah.
joe rogan
Agent 99. POTUS. Get out of here with POTUS. You and the POTUS. I like how he wears a hat that says 45 on it.
tom papa
That's me.
joe rogan
45th president.
He had his own hats made.
tom papa
Yeah.
unidentified
Who the fuck...
joe rogan
What other president has had hats made?
tom papa
I know.
He has merch.
He's selling merch after the show.
I'm going to be signing in the lobby.
I'll be signing stuff in the lobby.
I got painters caps, bumper stickers.
unidentified
Look at this.
joe rogan
Looking for a gift?
Is this the Trump...
This is a good way to get assaulted.
If you just wear one of these in a vegan restaurant, you're sure to get punched.
tom papa
Oh my god.
joe rogan
That guy's gonna get indicted.
That guy that pulled the hat off of some kids and threw a drink on them.
Whataburger, is that what it was?
The guy in Texas?
Yeah, some dude saw some...
There, he's got the 45 hats.
Hilarious.
Official.
unidentified
It's only $185.
joe rogan
$50,000.
unidentified
Buy it, stupid.
tom papa
One of a kind.
joe rogan
It's on sale.
It used to be $28.
Now it's $16.80.
tom papa
You can get my DVD. You can get a digital download of my speech tonight.
joe rogan
How do you go from $28 to $16.80?
Like, I want to be in the room with that conversation.
Like, what do you want to charge?
$17.38.
No.
tom papa
Less.
I'll tell you.
joe rogan
$16.90.
Nah, too close to $17.
jamie vernon
This one's $40.
joe rogan
$40?
Oh, it just says USA. It must be a good seller.
unidentified
People love USA. Trump in the back.
joe rogan
That is fucking hilarious.
$45 on the side, Trump in the back.
$40 for a hat.
If they find that you bought that, they put you on a very special list of morons.
That they count on whenever there's a rally.
Like if they're gonna like have a fake Hillary in a jail cell and they're gonna throw her through a parade, you know, like have her on a cart and carry her through a parade.
tom papa
Oh man.
joe rogan
You don't want President Pence.
Listen, you know, I mean, people that are not happy with Trump, you gotta understand, you get him out, it's not like you get Hillary in.
This doesn't work that way.
tom papa
That's right.
Bernie doesn't come in out of the hallway.
joe rogan
Yeah.
tom papa
I don't know.
Wouldn't you rather have Pence?
I know people say that, but I just want someone normal.
I want someone that...
joe rogan
Oh, Pence is not normal.
Did you see what Ben Shapiro wrote?
He put a tweet up with a picture of the lady from The Handmaid's Tale when Trump was in deep trouble, and he wrote, prepare for Pence.
tom papa
Oh, no.
joe rogan
He's a fucking legit religious nut.
tom papa
Yeah.
joe rogan
Over the top, won't be alone in a room with a woman.
tom papa
Yeah.
joe rogan
Yeah.
tom papa
How about Romney?
Remember Romney?
I just saw him on Jay Leno's show.
joe rogan
He seems like a reasonable guy.
tom papa
He looks very presidential.
He's got cool president hair.
joe rogan
I gotta be honest.
Romney seems like a reasonable man.
tom papa
He seems kind.
He seems like he respects morals.
joe rogan
He's a nutty Mormon, for sure.
You know why?
Because all Mormons are nutty Mormons.
Just being a Mormon's nutty.
tom papa
They changed the name.
You don't call them Mormons anymore.
joe rogan
We were talking about that yesterday.
They rebranded the Latter-day Saints.
Calling them a Mormon is like calling a small person a midget.
tom papa
Oh, is it?
joe rogan
Yes.
tom papa
So a compliment?
joe rogan
No!
tom papa
Oh, I keep forgetting what to call him!
joe rogan
Damn it!
tom papa
Adorable?
joe rogan
You are so not PC. Are you on PC Twitter?
tom papa
Good luck!
joe rogan
You need to get on PC Twitter.
tom papa
Hey, can I announce my new show?
joe rogan
No.
tom papa
Come on!
joe rogan
No, it's not worth it.
tom papa
It's big!
joe rogan
No, it's too dangerous!
tom papa
You spawned it!
joe rogan
You're taking a chance!
Why are you doing this?
tom papa
I know, right, exactly.
I'll be fired before it starts.
joe rogan
No risks!
tom papa
He announced the show on Rogan, and then he was canceled by the time he got off.
joe rogan
They were talking about midgets.
They're assholes, and Mormons are wonderful people.
tom papa
It's true.
Once you have a boss.
joe rogan
Yeah.
tom papa
No, my show starts Monday night.
joe rogan
The Bread Show?
tom papa
Yeah.
joe rogan
What's it called?
tom papa
Baked.
joe rogan
Ooh, I like it.
tom papa
It's baked.
Look at that.
joe rogan
Look how handsome you look.
tom papa
It started here, Joe.
The whole thing started here.
joe rogan
I like how you have a subtle smile.
It's like, I'm happy, but, you know, I'm pretty serious about bread.
tom papa
You know what the The real reason I do that, I look awful when I just show my teeth.
joe rogan
No, you don't!
You don't!
You look great!
tom papa
I got this weird joker smile.
joe rogan
No, you don't.
If you just embrace it.
I like all that bread behind you.
tom papa
I know.
Isn't that amazing?
joe rogan
I'm in ketosis right now.
tom papa
Well, I knew that.
joe rogan
I can't be eating that.
tom papa
The show starts this Monday night at 10 o'clock east, and we were doing New York and Detroit.
Jim Gaffigan joins me in the New York one.
It's all very cool.
So every Monday through September, all because of this show, and you're badass fans.
Crazy.
Honestly, that is why this is happening.
That's awesome.
It's because I talked about Brett on this show.
joe rogan
That's fucking great, man.
tom papa
But I knew you were probably in keto, but I always like to bring a treat.
joe rogan
What'd you bring?
unidentified
What's this?
tom papa
I didn't want to...
Come empty-handed.
joe rogan
Ooh, what is it?
Sticks of butter?
tom papa
It's for Murphy.
joe rogan
Oh, it's bone marrow!
tom papa
It's elk.
joe rogan
Oh my goodness.
tom papa
Elk antlers for...
joe rogan
Can I eat this?
tom papa
You can't.
joe rogan
No.
tom papa
It's for Murph.
joe rogan
Marshall, you mean.
tom papa
I mean Marshall.
joe rogan
Yeah.
tom papa
I thought it was Marshall.
joe rogan
He'll go crazy with these.
tom papa
Yeah.
joe rogan
That's like one of those.
tom papa
My dog went crazy over those.
Did you ever give your dog them?
joe rogan
Yeah, he's got one at home right now.
tom papa
He does?
joe rogan
Yeah, he's got some sort of an antler.
He loves it.
They go crazy.
They just chew all the marrow out over time.
tom papa
You look so happy when you're with your dog.
joe rogan
Oh, I love that dog.
tom papa
You look so happy.
joe rogan
He's my little buddy.
tom papa
It's just pure joy.
And the dog looks happy.
joe rogan
Well, he loves running.
And, you know, you get a dog out in nature.
And he's, like, the best dog I've ever had.
tom papa
Really?
joe rogan
In terms of, like, listening and coming to you.
unidentified
Yeah.
joe rogan
Always checking to make sure.
Because he's a retriever.
tom papa
Yeah.
joe rogan
You know, so he's, like...
Super in tune with you.
He's so funny.
When I come home, the first thing he does, he sees me, wags his tail, comes up to me, and then he runs, grabs a toy, puts it in his mouth, and then comes back to me.
Like he's retrieving something.
He has these instincts to bring something to me.
tom papa
My black lab has the same thing.
Same thing.
I always feel bad that if I don't have time to play and start tugging with her because she's just like, you're here, let's go, let's play.
joe rogan
Yeah, let's do it.
tom papa
And when you don't, you have to work and you get on the phone or whatever and they just lay on the ground like, oh.
unidentified
Yeah.
joe rogan
I came home the other night at like 1 o'clock in the morning, you know, from the comedy store, and I sat on the couch to start writing, and Marshall just comes over and goes, dude, what's going on?
unidentified
What are we doing?
joe rogan
It's like a roommate.
I'm like, what's happening?
You're up?
This is crazy.
Everybody else is asleep.
tom papa
They've been asleep for hours.
What are we doing?
joe rogan
Are you just going to fuck around on the laptop?
Alright, I'm going to lie down right here.
He just slides down.
tom papa
It's the best.
There is a great feeling when you're riding and the dog is right next to you.
joe rogan
Yeah.
Still until those fucking farts hit you.
Like, whoa, dude.
Did you eat a rat outside or something?
What happened?
tom papa
Well, I hope he enjoys the elk.
joe rogan
Thank you, man.
That's awesome.
tom papa
You're welcome.
joe rogan
Yeah, he's the best.
Best dog I've ever had.
tom papa
I've got to find good trails.
joe rogan
Johnny Cash was an awesome dog, too.
Look at that face.
He's just lying on his back.
tom papa
Yeah, so happy.
joe rogan
He's such a happy dog.
tom papa
Oh, man.
My dog would be happy like that if I could find some good trails.
I don't have good trails.
joe rogan
I just take him to Runyon or something, you know?
tom papa
Can he just run up Runyon?
joe rogan
Yeah, you just got to be careful of other people's dogs.
Like Marshall got bit by someone's dog once.
You know, some people just have dogs that just are not that well, you know...
tom papa
Socialized.
joe rogan
Socialized.
tom papa
Yeah.
joe rogan
Yeah, but if you have them on a leash, for the most part, or you find a good spot where you don't have to have them on a leash, that's great.
tom papa
That's what I want to do.
joe rogan
Other dogs are the issue.
tom papa
Right.
joe rogan
And snakes.
tom papa
Ooh.
joe rogan
Rattlesnakes.
Rattlesnakes you have to be very careful around us, out here.
tom papa
You guys go up.
You're running.
Dog gets bit by a rattlesnake.
You're a quarter mile from base camp.
joe rogan
He'll be okay.
Dogs will be way better off than people.
tom papa
You can run back with him?
joe rogan
Yeah, yeah, yeah.
You take him back.
tom papa
It won't circulate?
joe rogan
I might have to carry him.
I mean, I might have to carry him because it's really steep.
The stuff that we run on is literally super fucking steep.
tom papa
Oh, yeah?
joe rogan
Yeah.
It's basically the last three quarters of a mile is all uphill.
unidentified
Oof.
joe rogan
Yeah, and it's fucking brutal.
But it's great on the legs and the ass.
You feel my ass right there, bro?
On the top, I have my ass shell.
tom papa
Well, happy Labor Day.
But I thought when you got hit by a rattler, you're supposed to not move.
joe rogan
No, you've got to get out of there.
You've got to get to medical attention.
tom papa
You've got to go.
joe rogan
What it does is, here's the thing, you can't suck the venom out.
This is what people think.
People think, oh, you just cut it and suck the venom out.
This is what rattlesnake venom does.
What it does is it digests your skin.
It digests your flesh.
tom papa
The venom does.
joe rogan
Yes, it causes necrosis.
So what it essentially is doing is digesting you with venom.
This is the way they kill rabbits and things that they eat and swallow.
They bite them and then they kill them with venom and it starts to digest the flesh.
And then they swallow it whole and it aids in their processing of this animal.
tom papa
Wait a minute.
unidentified
Whoa!
tom papa
So the snake hits a rat.
joe rogan
Yep.
tom papa
If he were to take his mouth off after five minutes, would it have been partially digested?
joe rogan
Yes.
tom papa
Is that what you're saying?
joe rogan
The tissue inside starts digesting.
Yeah, it starts decomposing and digesting.
So when you get bit by a rattlesnake, a lot of times you need massive skin grafts and you have massive tissue loss and necrosis.
This one guy documented...
He got bit on the arm and they had a med vac amount in the helicopter and then he had to go through a long series of operations to repair his arm.
Like mesh and skin grafts and all these different things and it still was fucked up.
Like years later his arm was fucked up.
tom papa
So if you didn't get medical attention why would you die?
It would just spread through your organs?
joe rogan
I don't exactly know.
You might survive a rattlesnake bite if you didn't get medical attention, if it wasn't the most amount of venom.
The real scary thing is young ones.
Young rattlesnakes just empty out on you, just like young boys.
Pace yourself, young fella.
You're like, whoa, where's all this coming from?
You've been storing it up, you don't know how to control it.
That's how it is with young rattlesnakes.
tom papa
You want the old rattlesnake where it's just one drop at a time.
joe rogan
Yeah, like an 80-year-old man.
So if you have, you know, the difference between like an 18-year-old fella shooting, as Bill Hicks would say, arcing ropes of jism versus a rattlesnake that's like thick like a fucking tree trunk.
tom papa
Yeah.
joe rogan
I ran over one once.
This is crazy.
I was running with my, not the last dogs that are deceased, but my dogs before that, when I used to have pit bulls.
And we ran over what I thought was a large stick in the road, in the trail.
And as I'm running over it in the air, I realize it is a giant rattlesnake.
Thick as my forearm.
tom papa
Oh my god.
joe rogan
It was huge.
Seven feet long.
tom papa
Jeez.
Just in the middle of the trail?
joe rogan
Just completely stretched out like a stick.
tom papa
Oh my god.
joe rogan
Just sunning itself.
And the dogs ran right over it.
tom papa
And it didn't strike you?
No.
joe rogan
The dogs luckily listened to me and they weren't aware of what it was.
But those dogs were crazy.
Those dogs had been bitten three times.
tom papa
Oh my god.
joe rogan
Yeah, my dogs had been bitten three times by snakes.
tom papa
So they knew.
joe rogan
They just killed the snakes.
They didn't give a fuck.
Pit bulls are so crazy.
They're the craziest dogs.
They're so hardwired for combat.
tom papa
Right.
joe rogan
Like the rattlesnake was like, and the pit bull was like, fuck you!
unidentified
Ha!
joe rogan
Just grabbed him and killed him.
They didn't even worry for a second.
He got bit in the face.
And one time he got bit.
He's been bit in the face.
He got bit in the face a couple.
This is Frank Sinatra.
Great.
tom papa
That's great.
I love that you named a dog so not.
joe rogan
He was the craziest dog I've ever had.
That dog killed everything he could.
His main game was I'd leave him in the yard and he would try to kill lizards.
His main game was like a video game.
He would just walk around the yard stomping on the grass looking for lizards and then dive on them.
It was like a game to him just trying to find lizards to kill.
tom papa
How was he with people?
joe rogan
He was wonderful with people.
He was a sweet, sweet dog.
tom papa
Would never go after a person.
joe rogan
No, no, he never bit a person.
He was a little aggressive with his, like, wanted to play and kind of freak people out.
Because he liked to play and pull ropes with you.
Like, he'd want to grab a rope and bring it to you and have you pull on it.
And he would make these horrific noises.
So you'd be pulling it.
He'd be like...
And people are like, what the fuck, man?
I'm like, he's just playing.
He's a sweet dog.
Watch.
Let go.
Give me a kiss.
tom papa
Right, right.
joe rogan
Give me crazy kisses.
But he was so...
tom papa
They get a bad rap, though.
joe rogan
They deserve it.
tom papa
Yeah.
joe rogan
They deserve it.
tom papa
They deserve it.
joe rogan
Yeah, they deserve it.
tom papa
Because you don't know.
If you're just walking down the street and you see a pit bull off-leash...
You should be cautious.
joe rogan
People don't want to hear that because they love their dog.
They're like, my dog is different.
Don't say that.
They are bred to fight.
That's what they're bred for.
tom papa
That's where they came from?
That's where the breed?
joe rogan
Yep.
No bullshit.
The reason why they're such great dogs is because they're bred, the good ones at least, to have no aggression whatsoever towards people.
So that when the dogs are fighting, they can go in and separate them with no fear of the dogs turning on the owner.
unidentified
Oh.
tom papa
Interesting.
Interesting.
Where'd they do this?
Ireland?
America, bro.
joe rogan
America?
tom papa
It's American Pitbull.
joe rogan
Yeah, that's what it's called.
American Pitbull Terrier.
What do you think the Michael Vick thing was all about?
tom papa
Right.
But they've been around for a long time, though, haven't they?
joe rogan
Sure, over a hundred years.
More, a couple hundred years.
But that was originally going to be our national animal.
tom papa
Was it really?
joe rogan
Before they went with the eagle.
tom papa
Yeah.
Didn't Ben Franklin sell the eagle?
joe rogan
I don't know.
I don't know whose idea it was.
tom papa
Who wanted the pit bull?
joe rogan
I don't know.
I mean, they used it as war dogs.
They used them in the army.
tom papa
That would have been a cool symbol.
joe rogan
Sort of, but the problem with those dogs is multifold.
One, they have a very high prey drive.
Their drive to attack things is very high.
And the more they're bred for that, the more intelligent they are, the more intense they are, and people love them because of their intensity and their intelligence and their loyalty towards their owners is incredible.
Outrageous.
tom papa
So that love is deep.
That's why the pit bull people, because they really do, if you say anything, they get really up in arms about it.
They don't want them to have a bad rap.
joe rogan
Dude, I love those dogs.
Don't get me wrong.
tom papa
I love those dogs.
joe rogan
But one of my dogs killed one of my other dogs.
tom papa
Oh, really?
joe rogan
Yes.
tom papa
Oh, my God.
joe rogan
Yeah, you can't have two female pit bulls.
You can't have that.
tom papa
Two females, they'll just go at each other?
joe rogan
Yeah, they never sort it out.
They never decide who the boss is.
unidentified
Wow.
joe rogan
They start off, they'll have a fight, and then one will win, and then you say, okay, well, in a normal situation, this one realizes that it's the alpha, and then the other one will back off.
No, no fucking way.
Not with girls.
tom papa
They won't quit.
joe rogan
Girls never quit.
Wow.
They go back to it.
tom papa
What if one of them was hanging out with Marshall?
joe rogan
Oh, they'd be fine.
tom papa
They'd be fine?
joe rogan
Yeah, well, she was fine with my male dogs.
It was female dogs.
She didn't want other females around.
But she was not fine with my males if the male was getting attention and she wasn't.
She would get angry.
Like, you're stealing my attention.
Well, she was a prison dog.
tom papa
Oh, really?
joe rogan
She was in the LA animal shelter for many months.
unidentified
Oh, wow.
joe rogan
When I got her, Brian Callen is the one who talked me in again.
tom papa
Oh, yeah?
joe rogan
He goes, dude, you gotta get this dog.
He goes, I can't get her.
My yard's too small.
He goes, this dog is so amazing, so sweet.
And I went to see her, and she was the sweetest dog to people.
tom papa
To people.
How old?
Was it a puppy still?
joe rogan
She was 11 months.
unidentified
Still a puppy.
joe rogan
When I got her, yeah.
She was still a puppy.
But she was amazing.
But they're just fucking dangerous around dogs.
Yeah.
tom papa
My sister had a bull mastiff.
joe rogan
Oh, those are great.
tom papa
Great dogs.
joe rogan
That's different.
tom papa
So kind to people, like loving, like you put them with children.
I mean, it's a big dog.
Its head is like our heads combined.
But other dogs, other small dogs.
joe rogan
Really?
tom papa
It was bred for that.
And it would go and just any dog on a leash with an old lady attached did not care.
unidentified
Oh, no.
tom papa
And would just pin it to the ground.
unidentified
Oh, that's awful.
tom papa
And you just couldn't get it out.
I mean, it's just in the breed.
joe rogan
I had a dog that was a Mastiff that just died.
tom papa
Oh no.
joe rogan
His name is Johnny Cash.
We just had to put him down.
He couldn't walk anymore.
He was 13. This is the saddest moment like the last week of his life.
Marshall was in the pool and he was jumping around and playing with my daughters and everybody was having a good time and Johnny wanted to come to the pool but he couldn't walk over there.
And so he would take a couple steps and he'd be panting and his legs would be shaking and he'd take a couple steps and he's panting and his legs are shaking and he was just in agony.
So I picked him up, all like 140 pounds of him.
tom papa
It's a big dog.
joe rogan
Every time I run, man, I start coughing.
I ran this morning, and then for the rest of the day, I'm like, when I try to talk, I got like, eh-eh in my throat.
tom papa
It's the soot.
joe rogan
It's the dirt.
I'm breathing in dust and pollen, and I'm in the bottom of these canyons running through all this shit, and the dog's in front of me kicking up dirt.
tom papa
I ran on the concrete today, and I'm...
joe rogan
My point is I carried him.
So I had to carry him over to the pool.
And I sat him down there and he just laid down there and he was smiling and panting.
He was totally deaf by the time he died.
Like completely deaf.
Like he would be lying there.
He'd be like, Johnny, you hungry?
Johnny!
And then you'd touch him and be like, where'd you come from?
tom papa
Oh, really?
That's the bummer about big dogs.
They die so...
Well, 13's not that bad.
joe rogan
It was amazing.
They usually die at like 9. 8, 9, they're ready to go.
tom papa
That's what's so...
I can't...
My dog's about 80 pounds.
And, you know, it's a big presence.
140, that's a big thing in your house.
And to know that you fall deeply in love with it and then it's going to be gone in six, seven years, it's a heartbreak.
joe rogan
It's hard.
unidentified
It's hard.
joe rogan
He was the sweetest dog to everybody.
Dogs, people, everybody.
Just a giant, lovable...
tom papa
Recently, you had to put him down?
joe rogan
Oh, yeah, a couple weeks ago.
tom papa
I'm sorry.
joe rogan
Yeah, it was rough.
tom papa
That is rough.
joe rogan
But it was really hard seeing him suffer.
How long?
Well, the last year was rough.
In the last couple of months, it was, when do we do this?
It was like, when do we put him down?
Because I don't want to come home and find him dead.
tom papa
Yeah, but for a year, you knew he was kind of...
joe rogan
It's a slow deterioration.
I couldn't walk him anymore.
That was about two years ago.
About two years ago.
I just couldn't walk him.
Because where I live is a lot of hills.
He just couldn't do the hills.
He would just take a few steps and have to breathe heavy.
And I was like, oh, Jesus.
I didn't think he was going to last as long as he did.
tom papa
That's good.
It's a good life.
joe rogan
He was the best.
He was a super sweet dog.
Always sweet and kind.
He could be eating a steak and you could come over to him and you could take the steak from him and be like, why'd you do that?
He would never growl at you.
tom papa
Right.
You let your dog in the pool?
joe rogan
Oh, yeah.
tom papa
Yeah?
joe rogan
Why not?
tom papa
I don't know.
I think it's going to be all wet in the house.
joe rogan
Get the fuck out of here.
Dry him off, bro.
Dogs love to get dried off.
When Marshall comes out of the pool, I pull the towel.
He's like,''Oh, yeah!
It's time for a massage!'' He comes over and I rub him and he's like, oh, yeah.
tom papa
Chlorine or salt water?
joe rogan
Oh, salt.
unidentified
He's like, oh, yeah.
Oh, yeah.
Do it, Joe.
tom papa
Do it, Joe.
joe rogan
He loves it because I get one of them big beach towels and I throw it over him and I just start rubbing him down.
He loves it.
He sees that towel.
He comes running towards me.
unidentified
He's like, massage time, motherfucker.
tom papa
What about all the hair in the pool?
joe rogan
Yeah, there's a lot of hair in the pool.
You gotta scoop that up.
tom papa
Yeah.
joe rogan
Yeah, it comes in clumps.
tom papa
Yeah, retrievers.
joe rogan
You find it at the bottom, and it looks like algae's growing at the bottom of the pool.
tom papa
I know!
That's nasty hair!
I've been keeping my dog out of the pool.
joe rogan
Come on, man, why would you do that?
tom papa
I don't know.
joe rogan
If you live in L.A., it's hot as fuck, let the dog swim!
Jesus, man.
tom papa
Yeah?
joe rogan
Yes!
Ooh, the hair in the pool!
Look at the fuck!
Take a shower!
What are you worried about?
It's water!
tom papa
I don't know.
Seems like a pain in the ass.
unidentified
Is the hair dirty?
joe rogan
Well then, it's water.
The hair's in water.
tom papa
What about chlorine?
Can I get that on the dog's skin?
Is that alright?
unidentified
Yeah!
joe rogan
It's on your skin.
Just wash them off afterwards.
tom papa
Right.
joe rogan
Hose them down.
tom papa
Hose them down.
joe rogan
Why would you worry about the dog and not yourself?
Jesus.
tom papa
I only worry about myself and not the dog.
joe rogan
Why don't you get a salt water thing for your pool?
tom papa
So use the salt water.
unidentified
Yeah.
tom papa
It's a whole rigmaroo.
joe rogan
Yeah, but it's not that hard.
tom papa
No, I know.
I'm working on other projects.
joe rogan
Damn.
You're just one of those guys that dismisses important things in your life.
tom papa
It's not true.
unidentified
I just see it.
joe rogan
You put that in the back so when I get high, I think about it incessantly, and it fucks with my head.
tom papa
Is that what happens?
joe rogan
To me.
tom papa
Yeah?
joe rogan
Oh, yeah.
Yeah, that's number one thing.
tom papa
You ever get high and then you realize, oh, I haven't been thinking about this at all, and then when you're high, it's the only thing you're thinking about?
joe rogan
Oh, for sure.
Things that I, you know, should have been thinking about like a year ago.
You're like, why is this?
How do I fix that sprinkler?
How much is that leaking water?
How much water is that leaking?
What if we run out of water?
unidentified
Then I have to think about all the water that was leaking because the sprinkler is broken.
tom papa
I should just do it.
What's wrong with me?
I'll just do that.
joe rogan
Why can't I just make that call?
How's it hard to make that call?
You know what freaks me out lately?
Emails.
There's no way I can keep up.
It's impossible now at this point.
tom papa
Do you have a number that you try and stay below in your inbox?
joe rogan
No.
tom papa
That's how I do it.
unidentified
No.
tom papa
If I can stay, if I'm under 75, I know I'm on top of it.
unidentified
75?
joe rogan
I'm going to show you something that's about your fucking hair to spin.
Look at that number.
tom papa
Where are we?
joe rogan
Upper left.
tom papa
4,655 in one account?
joe rogan
Good luck with those.
tom papa
Is that also your garbage account?
joe rogan
No!
tom papa
That's just your...
joe rogan
No!
That's email.
tom papa
No!
joe rogan
4,000 emails.
tom papa
What?
joe rogan
Yeah, exactly.
tom papa
Why are you doing that to yourself?
joe rogan
How are you going to do that?
tom papa
Doesn't that weigh on you?
joe rogan
Nope.
tom papa
Come on.
joe rogan
Nope.
tom papa
Doesn't it feel like a cluttered desk?
joe rogan
Well, I have more than one email account.
One for business, for managers and close friends.
And then there's one for people that have known me forever.
And then there's a business one for people that I don't know that well, that aren't in my inner circle.
But that's a lot of emails, bro.
tom papa
It's a lot.
But your important one is your inner circle and your business, and that's not 4,000.
joe rogan
That's a lot.
Hundreds.
tom papa
Hundreds?
joe rogan
Hundreds.
And a lot of it's nonsense.
tom papa
It's all nonsense, but then you feel like you can't throw it out.
If I could just keep it, I have a garbage account.
I have, I mean, my one account that is, yeah, here you go, down there.
joe rogan
Oh, that's not bad.
unidentified
9,978.
tom papa
But that's because I have an AOL account that I just, anytime you're in a store, anytime, whatever, you sign up for something, can I have your email, can I have your email?
It all gets that, and that's why it blows up.
But my private account, my inner circle one, under 100. That's where I'm staying.
joe rogan
You got basically about 4,000 big dick pill ads.
tom papa
Yeah, exactly.
joe rogan
I'll try this cough drop, see if it'll keep me from coughing.
Does cough drops work?
tom papa
Yeah, they do work.
joe rogan
I'm not coughing unless I'm talking.
And when I'm talking, I just feel the, in the back of my throat.
And it's right at, it's like two hours after running.
tom papa
Always?
joe rogan
Yeah.
Up to two hours.
After that, it sort of goes away.
It's like my body cleans out.
tom papa
You have to run with one of those masks that they wear at the airport.
joe rogan
One of those, what, China masks?
tom papa
Yeah.
jamie vernon
You want some tea or anything?
tom papa
No.
joe rogan
No, I'll be alright.
I'm going to try this coffee.
tom papa
Some coffee?
joe rogan
Yeah.
I don't think that helps.
Coffee generates phlegm.
tom papa
Hey, I saw an article this morning.
I wanted to get your thoughts on it.
I was reading about that they're thinking about putting video gaming in the Olympics.
unidentified
Yeah.
tom papa
And the way they were talking about it, they're like, this is inevitable.
This is going to be in the Olympics.
And these kids consider themselves athletes.
The only hang-up that they had on it was that the video games are violent.
And they don't want to promote that.
But to me, it was like, well, wait, is this really a sport?
joe rogan
This is the Olympics trying to cash in.
That's all that is.
I think the Olympics are dirty.
I think it's a dirty business.
And this was highlighted by the movie Icarus.
If you watch that movie and you realize how the IOC is in bed with the World Anti-Doping Agency and how, you know, how they sort of function together and what it really is all about is making money.
And anything that compromises that making money, they're going to vote against it.
It's just, it's not...
It's a dirty business.
tom papa
Right.
joe rogan
And if they did have it in the Olympics, what they would basically do is take these guys who are making millions and millions of dollars playing video games at a professional level.
tom papa
Yeah.
Millions!
joe rogan
They would make them work for free.
And then they would make all the millions and millions of dollars.
But they'd say, but yay, you get to be in the Olympics.
unidentified
Right.
joe rogan
It's a dirty business.
I think the Olympics are dirty.
I really do.
tom papa
That's terrible.
joe rogan
Yeah.
Well, is chess in the Olympics?
No.
tom papa
Why isn't that in the Olympics?
They even took wrestling out.
joe rogan
But chess, you're actually moving pieces around.
Video games, you're just icons on a screen.
What do you mean they took wrestling out?
tom papa
They took wrestling out of the Olympics.
joe rogan
No!
tom papa
Yeah!
joe rogan
No, they didn't.
tom papa
Yes, they did.
joe rogan
No!
tom papa
Yes, I love wrestling.
And they took it out.
They might have brought it back, but it was gone.
Right, Jamie?
joe rogan
No, no.
Wrestling's not out of the Olympics.
tom papa
Yes, they took it out.
There was no wrestling in the Summer Olympics.
joe rogan
Come on.
tom papa
I'm not kidding.
joe rogan
For real?
tom papa
For real.
joe rogan
That doesn't make any sense.
tom papa
I know.
joe rogan
That's crazy.
Why wouldn't I have heard of that?
I know there was at one point in time, they were talking about it, but I thought it was put back in.
unidentified
What does it say?
tom papa
It was out for at least one.
jamie vernon
And 2013 IOC voted to drop wrestling from the Summer Olympic program effective 2020. Is that real?
Yeah, I don't know if it's happened yet, because it's supposed to be for 2020. I don't know if it's...
joe rogan
I'm pretty sure it was in the Olympics in the summer.
jamie vernon
Well, it's not 2020 yet, so...
joe rogan
No, but I mean the last Olympics that he's saying it wasn't in.
tom papa
I don't think it was.
jamie vernon
Yeah, I think it was.
tom papa
I don't think it was!
joe rogan
Call Bob Costa!
Call him now!
unidentified
Bob!
tom papa
Bob, is your eye cured?
joe rogan
Bob was on an episode of NewsRadio kicked my ass.
That was the episode.
tom papa
Oh, really?
joe rogan
I thought he was hitting on this girl that I was dating.
So he beat me up.
Yeah, there it is in the Olympics.
Oh, I guess Tom Papa's wrong again.
tom papa
Oh, that's from the 70s.
Look at that guy's jacket.
Did you see that guy's?
Did you see that referee's jacket?
joe rogan
Speaking of the 70s, I came home last night.
tom papa
Yeah, look at that guy.
joe rogan
Oh, look at that guy.
Jesus Christ.
tom papa
1896. Go back to that.
And they took it out.
Alright, so maybe it was in last time.
joe rogan
You don't know what the fuck you're talking about.
tom papa
But they voted against it now.
joe rogan
He's trying to look jacked.
tom papa
He is jacked.
Look at that chest.
joe rogan
They didn't even understand weightlifting back then.
Let me tell you something, bro.
That guy is not jacked.
tom papa
He's jacked.
joe rogan
Pure muscle.
Let me see a little of this.
tom papa
Greco-Roman introduced in Athens in 1896. What is going on here?
joe rogan
They're grabbing each other by the underwear?
That's a different kind of wrestling.
tom papa
That's ladies.
unidentified
Hilarious.
That is a rough fucking sport on your body.
jamie vernon
I found this, though.
They're adding video games to the Asian games in 2022, and then it's going to be a demonstration sport in Paris 2024. It's coming.
tom papa
And wrestling out!
joe rogan
Those guys don't need it.
This is my message to anybody who's a pro video gamer.
You don't need those people.
What do they offer?
They offer shit.
They want you to work for free.
They're gonna make all the money.
You're already huge.
And by the way, the people who run that, they missed the boat.
They didn't see it coming.
They don't deserve it.
tom papa
What about the athlete part of it?
joe rogan
What about it?
tom papa
Do you consider it a sport?
joe rogan
Well, no.
It's a game.
But it's a very highly skilled game.
I mean, it's definitely something valuable.
Like, it used to be thought of as a frivolous waste of time.
tom papa
Right.
joe rogan
But now you can make legitimate money with it.
But you don't...
I don't think you classify it as a sport.
I mean, they call it eSports.
tom papa
Right.
Are they an athlete?
No.
Is the top gamer an athlete?
joe rogan
The only caveat is that it's hand-eye coordination, right?
There is hand-eye coordination, and what do you consider a sport?
Do you consider something you move your entire body, or is just moving your fingers enough?
Because, like, is pool a sport?
Billiards, is that a sport?
I don't think it is.
I think it's a game.
But it's a game that requires hand-eye coordination and control and touch.
Tennis is a sport.
Tennis requires endurance.
tom papa
Full physical being.
Full mental being.
joe rogan
Yeah, you're running around.
You're jumping back and forth.
You're swatting that ball.
They're shooting it at you, trying to get out of the way.
I mean, the amount of endurance you have and stamina and explosiveness all contributes to your game.
tom papa
Would you make an exception for someone that's really good at Q-Bert?
joe rogan
Yes.
tom papa
That was my favorite game.
joe rogan
Subway surfer's in.
Subway surfer's a sport.
My daughter plays that shit.
She's a little wizard.
tom papa
Whoosh, whoosh, whoosh, whoosh.
joe rogan
It's not a sport.
They only want it in the Olympics because they realize there's massive amounts of people that are watching it and playing them now and they can make a lot of money off of it.
tom papa
No, arenas.
I mean, they're filling arenas.
joe rogan
More than the Olympics!
tom papa
The live part of it is a billion dollar business.
joe rogan
Yeah, I mean, there's a lot of sports that are in the Olympics that no one gives a fuck about if they're not in the Olympics.
tom papa
Right.
joe rogan
Right?
Like curling.
tom papa
Curling.
The ski shoot one.
Skiing and shooting one.
What do they call that?
joe rogan
Decathlon or pentathlon.
tom papa
Yeah.
Yeah.
joe rogan
There's the one that Bruce Jenner won.
Which one was that?
tom papa
That's the decathlon.
joe rogan
Did he have to shoot shit or no?
tom papa
No.
joe rogan
Throw a spear or something?
tom papa
No, he did the javelin.
Javelin's part of it.
Not technically a spear, but...
joe rogan
Okay, it's archery.
Archery's in the Olympics.
tom papa
Yeah.
joe rogan
Is that a sport?
That's more of a sport.
tom papa
Right?
You're using your full body.
joe rogan
Well, not really.
I mean, you are for, like, stability.
You're stabilizing with your legs, and you have a certain stance.
And if your bow is heavy to pull back, then it requires strength.
But that's blurring the lines.
I think archery is essentially a martial art with a tool, you know, and then you're demonstrating.
But you could do it on paper, so it's target archery.
But do they have target shooting in the Olympics?
tom papa
Well, as part of skiing, right?
jamie vernon
Yes, in the winter.
I think they do it on both.
tom papa
They do it in summer, too?
jamie vernon
Yeah, I actually know a girl that was on a Olympic.
joe rogan
Just Target.
unidentified
Yep.
joe rogan
Just shooting.
jamie vernon
Yep, yep.
joe rogan
Right, that girl you were telling me about.
Yeah.
tom papa
Right, that's interesting.
I mean, that's close to a video game.
joe rogan
Not really.
tom papa
No?
joe rogan
No.
Video games are, well, I guess, maybe.
But, like, we were showing that Sarah Palin thing, which she was trying to shoot offhand.
tom papa
Totally hot.
joe rogan
She was just holding the gun up.
That's more of a sport.
If you're trying to shoot offhand.
Or pistol shooting.
I would say pistol shooting would definitely be a sport.
Like when they do those courses.
You ever seen those courses that they do?
tom papa
Yeah, like for training and stuff.
joe rogan
They go, ready, go.
Light goes off and then you run through a door and then you turn a corner and dang, dang, dang.
And then you duck down.
Bad guys come out.
Yeah, yeah, yeah.
And some are bad guys and some are good guys.
There's a bunch of different ones they do, and some of them are just targets, and some of them are targets that are dressed up like people.
That could be a sport.
Well, that's very physically demanding.
You ever see the Keanu Reeves footage when he's training for John Wick 2?
tom papa
No.
joe rogan
Please, God, make John Wick 3. Please.
jamie vernon
Have you seen the stuff of them running through Times Square on a horse, shooting people in the head?
joe rogan
In John Wick 3?
unidentified
Yeah.
joe rogan
They're already doing it?
jamie vernon
You haven't seen that?
joe rogan
No.
Well, just show the footage, first of all, the training footage for John Wick 2. John Wick 2, man.
That motherfucker, Keanu Reeves, he gets into it.
tom papa
Yeah.
joe rogan
He was training with my friend Hige Machado in Jiu-Jitsu.
So they- Mr. Roboto?
No.
Here he is.
Look at him.
Give me some volume.
John Wick 2. So, like, when you watch him shoot in the movie, he looks very comfortable shooting.
And even his martial arts, like the stuff that he's doing in the movie, it's legitimate.
Like, it's doable.
It's real.
tom papa
He's really training.
joe rogan
Oh, yeah.
I mean, he's not doing anything where you go get the...
Like, there's no Roadhouse moves.
Like, I was watching Roadhouse last night.
tom papa
I love Roadhouse.
joe rogan
I got home from the comedy store last night, and I was gonna go to sleep, but Roadhouse was on.
I'm like, fuck, I'm staying up.
I stayed up.
tom papa
It's the best, going in the bar.
joe rogan
I watched it an hour and a half in, until he killed the guy by grabbing his neck, and that's when I had to go to sleep.
tom papa
You missed the big end scene in the house?
joe rogan
Nah, that's good enough.
I saw enough.
So he's on a horse in John Wick 3?
tom papa
Wow.
He's the real deal.
He's like Tom Cruise.
joe rogan
Just get him back on the Chevelle.
Why are you giving him a horse?
tom papa
He's Tom Cruise.
joe rogan
The 1970s Chevelle is the way to go.
Not a fucking horse.
tom papa
So he trains like legit shooting?
joe rogan
Trains legit shooting, legit martial arts.
Samuel Jackson is in it?
Oh my god.
tom papa
What's Samuel Jackson not in?
Is there a list of...
It's like 10 films.
jamie vernon
He didn't start being an actor until he was late in his career, right?
Or late in his age?
tom papa
Oh yeah?
jamie vernon
I just read something recently.
joe rogan
How old was he?
jamie vernon
I want to say 40, but I feel like I might be mixing up with someone.
That might be true.
tom papa
That might be Rodney Dangerfield.
joe rogan
Yeah, the original John Wick is a fucking great movie.
And John Wick 2 is a great movie.
They're both great.
I watched two of them back-to-back on a plane recently.
tom papa
Is that the one where everything's on fire in that one scene where he's coming out of an apartment?
joe rogan
John Wick 2 is one where he's fighting that Ruby Rose chick.
He has a fight with Ruby Rose.
Which is a little hilarious.
I get it.
Girl power.
Save it.
Save it.
She takes such a good punch.
Yeah.
tom papa
Keanu's pulling punches.
joe rogan
Yeah.
tom papa
He's legit.
Tom Cruise, he trains and does all his real stuff.
joe rogan
Yeah, Tom Cruise does a lot of crazy stunts.
tom papa
Right?
joe rogan
Yeah, he fucked up his ankle jumping off of a building to another building.
tom papa
Yeah, climbing on the outside of planes, hanging on.
joe rogan
He does all that stupid shit.
tom papa
Yeah.
joe rogan
Car chases, he does that, he does it himself.
tom papa
Yeah, in Dubai, hanging off the end of that building.
joe rogan
Yeah, he's a maniac.
tom papa
He is a maniac.
joe rogan
Yeah.
tom papa
Yeah, I wouldn't do that.
joe rogan
Fighting off them Scientology demons.
unidentified
Or using the angels.
tom papa
Using the angels.
joe rogan
Do they have angels or just thetans?
tom papa
Thetans are the bad things.
Those are the things that stick to you, right?
joe rogan
I thought those were like your soul.
Like, that's who you are.
You are a thetan, like in the shell of a...
tom papa
Oh.
I thought the thetans were like the bad ones that came in you to fend off.
joe rogan
Everything I know about Scientology I learned from South Park.
tom papa
Right?
unidentified
So...
tom papa
Yeah, me too.
joe rogan
And from that Lawrence Wright movie.
tom papa
I learned a couple useful things from learning about it.
joe rogan
Going Clear.
Did you see Going Clear, the documentary?
tom papa
Yeah.
joe rogan
Did you read the book?
tom papa
No.
joe rogan
The book's crazy, too.
tom papa
I read some of Dianetics, though.
joe rogan
I did, too.
Yeah.
tom papa
Yeah.
joe rogan
I read it when I first moved to L.A. I bought it.
I ordered it on late night TV. Yeah.
tom papa
I wanted my nephews to join up just to see what would happen.
unidentified
Yeah.
joe rogan
What, do you hate your sister?
Or your brother or whoever's kid it is?
tom papa
I was like, one of us has got to be a pioneer here.
Let's go see what this does.
joe rogan
One of us has got to join the cult.
tom papa
Yeah, it's too late for me.
Get in there.
See what happens.
joe rogan
Have you seen Wild Wild Country?
tom papa
Yeah.
joe rogan
I've been reading his book, Osho's book, The Art of Living and Dying.
tom papa
Oh, yeah?
joe rogan
It's very interesting.
What's unique about him is that the things that he's saying are legitimately profound and very interesting and legitimately deeply philosophical.
You're reading it and you go, okay, this guy was a real thinking person.
And he was deeply considering these things from all sorts of different angles.
Yet he allowed that crazy Sheila lady to run his cult and poison people and plot assassinations.
tom papa
But even before that, he was collecting Rolls Royces and he loved the...
joe rogan
Loved luxury.
tom papa
The problem...
Look, a lot of people have good ideas.
They try and motivate people.
It starts out with these nice intentions or whatever.
unidentified
Mm-hmm.
tom papa
Once they taste money, that's it.
It's over.
Greed.
It just takes you over, and you can't shake it.
It's like, why would I be in a Ford Taurus when I had a Rolls Royce?
joe rogan
Well, how about just get one Rolls Royce, bro?
tom papa
I know, but these people- Why do you have 22?
Power.
Power and greed and celebrity, and then you can't shake it.
All these televangelists, when all those televangelists went down, They start off preaching around the South, dirty, like in little churches.
Then they start making millions of dollars and it goes all off the rails.
Greed.
It's a demon, I'm telling you.
joe rogan
I guess they're similar.
tom papa
I mean, because that guy, from what you're saying, he has some good points.
He has some good stuff.
There's some stuff in Dianetics that makes very good sense.
joe rogan
Right, but hold on.
Don't you think that all that good stuff is negated by a love of objects?
tom papa
I think that it ends up corrupting them and they start making other choices that don't align with what they're preaching.
joe rogan
Right.
tom papa
Yeah, I think they're human beings.
We're all human beings.
And you start getting that power and then all of this money comes in and it corrupts.
unidentified
There was also sex.
joe rogan
There was also a lot of sex.
tom papa
A lot of sex.
joe rogan
Yeah, that cult was a lot about just free sex, everybody banging everybody.
tom papa
It's funny how it all comes down to those things.
It always becomes sex, money, power, and celebrity.
They all fall from those things.
They're these desires.
joe rogan
There's great benefits to all those things, right?
Sex feels great.
If you have a lot of money, you can buy awesome things and you enjoy them and you feel like you've accomplished something.
If you have a lot of celebrity, then everybody kisses your ass, and he would walk in the room with his hands clasped together, and everybody would go crazy.
But it's a different kind of celebrity, right?
His celebrity was not just like, oh, there's Tom Papa!
Dude, I love your bread show!
It wasn't that.
It was, you have the answers!
tom papa
Oh, Swami!
joe rogan
Oh, Osho!
tom papa
But that's the ultimate power, is celebrity mixed with God, mixed with the answer to that.
unidentified
Guru.
tom papa
Yeah, forget it.
unidentified
Guru power.
tom papa
Now you're off the charts.
joe rogan
Well, you get a little bit of that in yoga classes.
There was a yoga class that I used to go to where the guy who was the instructor was banging some of the students.
And he was slimy.
He was like, you could tell.
He would sing in class, like sing in Hindu songs, and I'd be like, bro, you are killing my buzz.
tom papa
Yeah, I'm out of there.
joe rogan
But you're so white.
Like, everything about it, he was just like, he was a slippery guy.
unidentified
Yeah.
joe rogan
Like, and his thing was being this really spiritual yoga guy.
Yeah.
40-year-old women whose husbands were tired of fucking them.
They would really, you know, kind of get into him.
Next thing you know, he'd be giving them privates.
tom papa
Air quotes.
unidentified
Yeah.
Privates.
joe rogan
And he would probably, you know, talk to them about sensuality.
tom papa
Of course, and their aura.
joe rogan
And then probably lay some shit down about...
You know, one of the main problems in relationships is the passion sometimes ebbs when there's a loss of respect and appreciation for each other as individuals, as unique souls.
Yes!
I'm experiencing that in my relationship.
I'm so sorry to hear that.
So sorry to hear that.
The boundaries of intimacy should not be related.
tom papa
Is it me?
But I feel like I'm seeing the real you that no one else sees.
unidentified
Yeah, sure.
joe rogan
The boundaries of intimacy should not be confined by a piece of paper.
You know, I mean, it's obviously that the vows of your marriage have already been broken by your husband who's not nice to you anymore.
tom papa
Let me write down my apartment in Encino.
unidentified
I'll hook you up with some of this sweet yoga dick.
joe rogan
I walk around barefoot everywhere.
tom papa
The hot yoga guy did that.
joe rogan
I'm so in touch with nature.
tom papa
The hot yoga guy.
He got busted first sleeping with all these women.
joe rogan
Who was the hot yoga guy?
tom papa
It was the hot yoga.
unidentified
Oh, Bikram?
tom papa
The Bikram guy, right?
Wasn't he the guy?
Yeah, more than that.
joe rogan
He fucked everybody.
unidentified
He did.
joe rogan
More than that, he was accused of sexual assault.
tom papa
Yeah.
He was attacking them.
joe rogan
Yeah, my guy wasn't sexually assaulting anybody.
He was just slipping the dick in.
They were allowing it.
They wanted the dick.
Like, there's a difference.
It's power.
tom papa
It's a power move.
joe rogan
Some people say that that's abuse, that the yoga guru who manipulates the woman and then fucks her, that he is...
In a way, definitely being guilty of sexual misconduct, and perhaps even like something more egregious, because there's a relationship that they have between the guru and the student, and he's violating that trust and that power dynamic.
tom papa
Yes, that's Catholic Church, right?
No!
No, it's not!
The power dynamic!
What do you mean that?
joe rogan
A 40-year-old married woman and a fucking yoga teacher is not the same as a little kid and a priest.
tom papa
But it's using power to get the same thing.
joe rogan
Oh, no, it's not.
One of them is rape and abuse.
The other one is a lady who wants dick.
tom papa
Well, you didn't say she wanted dick.
joe rogan
Of course she wants.
tom papa
She's four years old.
Her husband doesn't touch her.
joe rogan
You've just twisted this around.
You need to correct and apologize to all those yoga teachers out there fucking their students.
tom papa
No, it's a violation.
If you're a guru and anything that's a teacher and below, you're using that.
You're manipulating that person.
joe rogan
Okay, but wasn't that a big part of undergraduate students and professors back in the day?
They can't do that anymore.
tom papa
Yeah.
joe rogan
That was a big thing.
tom papa
No, in my high school, the basketball teacher ended up marrying his best girl basketball player.
joe rogan
Hey!
tom papa
And, you know, happy ending.
Yeah, it worked out.
joe rogan
Oh.
Well, how old was she and him?
tom papa
He was probably 30-something, and she was 17. Whoa.
joe rogan
When did they get married?
tom papa
Playing basketball.
I don't know, after...
joe rogan
They hook up after school?
Or during school?
tom papa
No, apparently it was during, and then they ended up...
joe rogan
Was it legal then?
tom papa
No!
joe rogan
No, no, no, no, no.
In many states, it probably was legal at 17. In Jersey?
Yes.
I guarantee you it was.
tom papa
What year?
1985, 86?
joe rogan
I guarantee you it was.
tom papa
17 was legal?
joe rogan
Yeah, I bet it was legal.
tom papa
Really?
joe rogan
I bet 16 was legal.
tom papa
Right.
joe rogan
Yeah.
tom papa
I mean, look, it's not to say that there can't be a happy ending...
When somebody is the teacher or the guru?
joe rogan
No, I'm on your side.
I mean, it's definitely a violation.
tom papa
But it is a manipulation, yeah.
joe rogan
What's the age of consent in 1980?
New Jersey, age 16 years old.
tom papa
16?
joe rogan
Yep.
tom papa
Wow.
I could have hit on Miss Crew.
joe rogan
Okay, but hold on a second.
Consent for sexual conduct at 16. This applies to both heterosexual and homosexual conduct.
As a general matter, this means that a person who is 16 years old can generally consent to have sex with any adult.
And this is in 2018. That's today.
That's today.
So here's the thing.
tom papa
How crazy!
joe rogan
So here's the thing.
Like, you know this Asia Argento thing?
You know this thing that's going on right now?
So this 17-year-old kid, when he had sex with her, it was in California, so he's saying it's sexual assault because she had sex with him and then she got...
Tony Bourdain to pay this kid off 300 plus thousand dollars to shut his mouth and then it came out that she was a hypocrite because she seduced this kid and fucked him and she had played his mom in a movie ten years prior when he was only seven which is really kind of crazy.
There's pictures of her and the kid when the kid was like a little kid.
tom papa
Oh jeez.
joe rogan
She stayed close to him and called him like her son and he would call her mom and stuff like that and then they got together and She lied about it and said she didn't fuck him, and then pictures came out of her in bed with him, and then her friends released text messages.
She's a fucking monster, in a way.
tom papa
Was he of legal age when they had sex?
joe rogan
No, this is my point.
He was 17 at the time, so it would have been totally legal if this happened in New Jersey, but it happened in California.
But this is all going on while she was making a big deal of Harvey Weinstein having sex with her when she was 22. Like, Jesus fucking Christ.
That was crazy.
You know, the whole thing's crazy.
But my point is, first of all, let's be honest about that situation.
I mean, 17's...
He's going to be okay.
I'm just saying.
Even if it's illegal, it's just not the same for boys.
It is not the same.
Should she have done it?
Probably not.
Yeah.
Definitely probably not.
Should she be locked up in a cage for 10 years from doing that?
tom papa
No.
joe rogan
She's a freak.
That lady's a freak.
tom papa
Yeah.
So he was 17. She's more guilty of being a hypocrite than anything.
Did she stay in touch with him all those years when she was playing the mom?
joe rogan
Yes.
The real creepy picture is her in the movie with him when he was like a little kid.
But it's not as creepy as Woody Allen when he had his daughter sitting on his lap and then 10 years later that same daughter is holding his hand as his girlfriend in the front row of a basketball game.
tom papa
Yeah, that's kind of weird.
joe rogan
That's a little weird.
That's way creepier.
tom papa
Yeah, it's so weird.
joe rogan
I don't know if there's even a reason to make that comparison.
But my point is, that kid would have no case at all if this was in New Jersey.
tom papa
Right.
joe rogan
It was in New Jersey.
Which I don't think he should have a case.
tom papa
Is he prosecuting?
joe rogan
He apparently threatened to go public with it and he wanted money.
tom papa
And they gave him money.
joe rogan
Anthony Bourdain did.
Yeah.
tom papa
And gave him a lot.
joe rogan
$380,000.
tom papa
Oh my god.
And even after he got paid, he comes out?
joe rogan
That is the most expensive dick that lady will ever get.
tom papa
Then he comes out?
joe rogan
It came out anyway.
I don't know why it came out.
I don't know who released it.
tom papa
Harvey Weinstein.
joe rogan
Somebody released it.
I don't know what happened.
But what they're basically showing is that this whole thing of her being attacked by Harvey Weinstein, it's complicated.
Maybe he did exactly what she said he did.
It's possible.
But she clearly is deceptive.
She definitely lied about this kid.
See, the problem is the age of consent being 17. If it was 18, or if he was 18 rather, or if it was like in New Jersey where it's 16, there's no case.
And she just fucked a young kid.
And I'm just going to be honest.
The only thing that's creepy is that they had this sort of mom-son thing going on where they talked about each other as mom and son.
tom papa
Yeah, that's weird.
joe rogan
If she was just a hot 35-year-old who had sex with a handsome 17-year-old boy...
tom papa
Right.
17, that's a man.
joe rogan
It's not the same thing.
It's not the same thing.
If it was a 35-year-old man and a 17-year-old girl...
jamie vernon
She directed the movie, too.
Does that change anything?
unidentified
Yes.
I don't know.
tom papa
She directed the movie?
joe rogan
She directed the movie.
tom papa
The new one?
joe rogan
No, the movie 10 years ago when he was a 17-year-old.
Or a 7-year-old, rather.
Yeah, I don't know, man.
You know, she was 37 when he was 7?
tom papa
She was 37. 37 when he was 17. She didn't make a move when he was 7, though.
joe rogan
No, she waited until he was 17. She's a good person.
tom papa
Yeah.
joe rogan
She got close to the wire.
She's like, I can't hold on anymore.
tom papa
Enough already.
Will you move to New Jersey?
I won't.
Just get over here.
joe rogan
Here's the issue.
I just don't think it's the same thing.
Now, I think the only thing she's really guilty of here is hypocrisy and deception.
I don't think she's guilty of a sex crime, even though she technically is.
In my mind, I mean, maybe am I a sexist?
I don't know.
If I am, I'm sexist against men.
I think the guy's gonna be okay.
I don't buy that he was so damaged.
tom papa
Not at that age.
joe rogan
Because if he was that damaged from her, he would have been damaged from a girl who was his age, too, who fucked him and then didn't call him anymore.
tom papa
Right, that's the thing.
joe rogan
That's just emotions.
That's not a crime.
tom papa
You know, you hear this argument, it's like, well, a boy can be affected.
unidentified
For sure.
joe rogan
Everyone can be affected.
tom papa
But that's not a crime.
In some of these instances where the teacher sleeps with the kid and it's a boy and he's 14 and people are like, oh, come on, he would love it.
Now, 14, you still don't know who you are.
You're still mixed up.
joe rogan
And again, we're back to the teacher-student dynamic.
It's a different situation.
tom papa
She's manipulating you.
unidentified
Right.
joe rogan
So the question is, Is this dynamic equal to the teacher-student because she was the director and she played his mother and she clearly had some sort of a maternal love like sort of relationship with him early on and then it became sexual later.
But then she says he jumped her.
She says the horny kid jumped me.
That's what she said in her text to her friend when she's being honest.
tom papa
Oh really?
joe rogan
Yeah, so maybe he did.
Maybe he was in love and pining for her the whole time.
Maybe that's one of the reasons why he came out and wanted money in the first place, because she's trying to get back at her, because she didn't want to have anything to do with him anymore.
And maybe they had a couple of drinks together, and she just didn't know what to do when he started making moves on her, and so she fucked him, because she's crazy.
That's possible, too.
I mean, is it a crime?
I mean, you're talking about a crime where if it was 200 days later, it's not a crime.
Like, really?
Is he going to learn a lot in 200 days?
tom papa
The law's the law, Joe.
The law's the law.
joe rogan
Mr. Dragnet over there.
tom papa
You know, the laws are on the books for a reason, Joe.
unidentified
And the law says 17. It doesn't say 16 and a half.
tom papa
It says 17 for a reason.
joe rogan
Johnny Lawyer over here.
tom papa
Well, really, that's what it comes down to.
It's like, because it's so gray, and because there's so many things that can happen, you really have to come down to, well, is there a logic?
joe rogan
You should have to pull your pants down.
How much pubes you got?
Let me see what you got.
How big is your dick?
You're full grown.
Get the fuck out here, pussy.
tom papa
That's not fair.
joe rogan
Oh, the pretty lady band.
I remember this.
tom papa
I had a friend of mine who grew hair when he was like 12. He was the hairiest little Italian kid.
He had a mustache, full beard at 13. I'm sure his pubes were gigantic.
joe rogan
Good.
Legal.
Asia Argento.
Go fuck that guy.
tom papa
He couldn't help it.
He would get a haircut and it would grow back by the time he got in the car.
He was just Italian.
joe rogan
Yeah, it's very complicated.
You know, the thing about her too is, you know, she had a consensual sexual relationship with Harvey Weinstein after the alleged incident where he ate her pussy and she didn't want him to.
tom papa
Well, that's like the Cosby thing.
They keep coming back.
There was a couple that came back.
Wait a minute.
joe rogan
Were they aware that he drugged them the first time?
tom papa
I don't know the details.
It sounded like it.
It sounded like they knew something was weird, but then they came back anyway.
joe rogan
You don't exonerate someone from a rape just because after the rape, you're friendly with them.
tom papa
Right, because, you know, it's a big mental impact.
You don't know what's going on with them.
joe rogan
Not just that.
It's some people, they want to mitigate the effects of being raped by turning into something different.
So they maybe would establish a consensual relationship with the person after they raped them.
tom papa
To try and take their power back a little?
joe rogan
Well, not just that.
To try to relieve themselves of the feeling of being a victim.
Like, almost make it consensual.
There's like a weird psychological dynamic that you and I will never understand as men.
tom papa
Yeah.
joe rogan
We'll never understand it.
tom papa
No.
joe rogan
Because it's not the same.
It's just not the same.
tom papa
No, it's not.
So if she went back, you know, with Harvey...
joe rogan
Like if a woman comes over your house, right?
Okay.
If you're a single guy...
tom papa
Am I in a cabin?
Is it a little cabin?
joe rogan
Yeah, a little tiny 325...
You're in Big Bear.
tom papa
I'm in Big Bear.
joe rogan
You're wearing flannels and you're cutting wood.
tom papa
Okay.
joe rogan
And a girl comes over and she sucks your dick against your will.
You're like, don't stop.
I can't believe you're doing this.
God damn it.
And then once it's over, you're like, well...
I don't want to feel like I got raped.
I'm just going to establish a relationship with this lady.
People would be like, shut the fuck up, Tom Papa.
Get out of here.
tom papa
What was that Michael Douglas?
joe rogan
The difference is because you're a guy.
So you're not worried about your physical safety.
This is the real issue.
tom papa
Physical safety.
I can't get pregnant.
joe rogan
Right.
I used to work out at this gay gym.
I used to work out at Gold's Gym on Cole.
And I say gay gym because it was just like a lot of gay guys.
Like really obvious, over-tan, you know, gay guys with like super thin tank tops with giant muscles and fucking combat boots and real aggressive leather like fucking paperboy hats on while they're working out.
Fucking gay.
But my point is, while I was in there working out, these guys would hit on you.
tom papa
Right.
joe rogan
And you'd feel like guys were looking at you and hitting on you, and it made you uncomfortable.
unidentified
Right.
joe rogan
Well, welcome to being a woman, but not even really, because I could fuck those guys up.
tom papa
Right.
joe rogan
So I wasn't worried.
Go to the parking lot.
I'd be like, hey dude, this is going to get violent.
Stop trying to fuck me.
I can actually fuck you up.
Whereas if I'm a girl, I have to worry that I'm fumbling for my keys and this guy's behind me.
tom papa
In the parking lot.
joe rogan
Yeah, and they want to push me into the car and take my pants off.
This is a real concern for women that men don't have.
So our ideas of what it would be like to be in a non-consensual relationship with a woman where she sucks your dick against your will is just not comparable.
tom papa
That's a great point.
I mean, that's when that Michael Douglas movie came out, and it was the same thing.
It was the reverse.
I forget which movie it was.
She goes down on him, and he's like, no, stop it.
It's a work relationship.
And he's like, stop, don't.
joe rogan
Fatal Attraction?
tom papa
No, it wasn't Fatal Attraction.
It wasn't Behind the Candelabra.
It was...
It was another movie, and it became like a thing.
It became like a joke because...
Disclosure.
Disclosure.
And who was the star?
jamie vernon
Demi Moore.
tom papa
Demi Moore.
joe rogan
That's hilarious.
tom papa
Yeah, so she goes down on him, and they were trying to make the case that it could happen to a man, too.
joe rogan
Shut up.
tom papa
And the culture was like, no.
joe rogan
Yes, thank God.
There it is.
Yeah, she's a predator.
tom papa
Yeah, she's a predator.
joe rogan
And he's like, I can't believe this.
Shut the fuck up.
tom papa
And he's like, get off of me.
joe rogan
Who wrote that?
A fantastic sex thriller, masterfully done.
That's fake news.
Who wrote that?
tom papa
Well, good for them putting it out there and giving it a try.
joe rogan
I like how they always have that, like, fucking WCN TV, some shit you've never heard of.
WWORTV. Get the fuck out of here.
What is that?
Like, they're just dying for any quote whatsoever, so they just take some wonky quote from some Boise news station.
Some guy's drunk when he writes that, he's barely paying attention.
tom papa
But now it's just someone with a blog.
It's like Don's Movie Hut.
unidentified
Right.
tom papa
He loved it!
unidentified
I've got a hut in the middle of the forest, and I watch films!
joe rogan
When I was watching Roadhouse last night, he put a cassette in his Mercedes, in his car, he's playing music, shoved a cassette in there, and I was like, yes!
A fucking cassette!
tom papa
My daughter got a cassette from one of her friends, a cassette player, so now she's looking for cassettes.
joe rogan
Can you still get them?
Like on eBay or something?
tom papa
Yeah, yeah, like she has a bunch, but they're pretty obscure.
joe rogan
There's a real concern that everything that we have is digital, you know, and that we're moving to Kindles and e-books and all these different things and then downloadable music and less physical music.
tom papa
Yeah.
joe rogan
That anything that happens that wipes that stuff out, anything that wipes out the ability to play it or preserve the recording, we lose everything.
tom papa
It'll be gone forever.
joe rogan
All information.
All of our information is becoming digital.
It's becoming more and more vulnerable while we're becoming more and more aware and more and more educated.
tom papa
That we're at risk.
We're more aware that we're being attacked.
People are trying to steal this stuff and we're putting more of our faith in it.
joe rogan
Yeah, but what I'm saying is as we become more educated, not even with that, just the more information we accumulated, the more vulnerable that information is.
It's not like books that are like lock solid and they're always going to be there as long as you keep them in a fireproof container.
No, our knowledge itself is way more vulnerable than it's ever been before, yet way more advanced than it's ever been before.
tom papa
That's really interesting.
joe rogan
Fucking weird.
tom papa
But isn't it all backed up on the cloud?
joe rogan
What does that mean?
Listen, man, I had Dr. Robert Shock on the podcast, who's a geologist from Boston University, and he freaked me the fuck out, talking about coronal mass ejections from the sun and what they believe happened somewhere around 12,000 years ago.
There was some sort of a gigantic solar event that caused lightning storms.
You know like when it's a storm and rain is coming down from the sky, like fucking buckets of rain everywhere?
unidentified
Yeah.
joe rogan
He said it was like that with lightning.
And that lightning was literally turning the ground into glass in certain places.
tom papa
For how long?
joe rogan
Who knows?
Mass extinction of animals.
tom papa
Really?
joe rogan
Mass extinction of people.
tom papa
Like just lightning raining down on the whole planet?
joe rogan
Yeah.
tom papa
Oh my god.
joe rogan
I don't know if he's right.
Obviously it's a controversial theory that he was proposing.
But it's based on what they believe possibly happened with coronal mass ejections from the sun.
Which can and does happen.
And has happened in the past.
It's terrifying.
tom papa
I always think about that.
What's going to stop a giant asteroid all of a sudden heading our way?
joe rogan
Solar flares, they're happening all the time.
tom papa
Yeah, it's just not with big intensity.
But why not have one build up and blast us?
joe rogan
Have you ever seen a comparison of the Earth next to the Sun?
tom papa
Yeah.
joe rogan
When they show these solar flares are hundreds of times larger than the Earth itself.
It's so crazy.
tom papa
But it's far away, right guys?
unidentified
Yeah.
tom papa
It'll be okay.
We're still going to have a barbecue this weekend.
joe rogan
A couple million miles.
How many miles is the sun away?
How many million?
How many million?
Yeah, the moon is 200. It varies and goes a little closer, a little further away, but somewhere around 260,000.
tom papa
260,000?
jamie vernon
93 million miles.
joe rogan
Whoa.
tom papa
The sun.
joe rogan
Yeah.
tom papa
93 million.
joe rogan
Pull up a comparison.
The sun in comparison to the size of the earth.
And you realize, you're like, oh.
It's a million times bigger.
tom papa
A million times bigger.
joe rogan
A million times bigger than the Earth.
tom papa
Oh, boy.
joe rogan
That's how big the sun is.
tom papa
Here's a question.
Say a solar flare pops off.
If it's that far away...
joe rogan
You're fucked.
Depends on how bad it is.
tom papa
When we know about it, know it's coming for a while?
joe rogan
Yeah, you have a couple minutes.
tom papa
Oh, that's it.
joe rogan
Look at that.
Look at the Earth.
tom papa
1.3 million Earths.
Jeez.
joe rogan
Look at the Earth, though.
Look at the little dot.
Look at that little spot.
Right there.
tom papa
Oh there.
Oh my god.
Oh no.
joe rogan
Now look at those ejections.
Look at those flares.
unidentified
Oh no.
joe rogan
Look how big those flares are.
And then look at the size of the earth.
That's common.
That's every day.
tom papa
That's happening all the time.
joe rogan
Yeah.
Have you ever seen video of it?
It's fucking amazing, man.
tom papa
It's crazy.
joe rogan
It's amazing.
Like what's happening on the sun right now should freak everybody the fuck out.
And it varies, you know?
It's a giant nuclear fireball.
tom papa
Yeah, it's just a constant nuclear explosion.
joe rogan
Oh my god, look at that shit.
tom papa
It looks so hot!
joe rogan
What a shit design, right?
How are you going to heat everything up?
We'll just put a big fucking fireball in the sky.
I mean, it's basically like a fireplace.
tom papa
How crazy that it worked, though.
How crazy that it worked.
joe rogan
Oh, it works so good.
tom papa
It's crazy.
joe rogan
It works so good.
Yeah.
Well, it's one of the arguments that really dumb people use for religion.
unidentified
Like, what are the odds that all this worked out this perfectly?
joe rogan
That we're this close to the sun?
I mean, come on, man.
Scientists are trying to keep the creator from you.
jamie vernon
Japan's trying to land an unmanned robot on an asteroid twice the distance from the sun.
It's 186 million miles away.
unidentified
Whoa.
jamie vernon
And next month they're going to be...
tom papa
They're going to try and land on it?
jamie vernon
Yes, September 21st.
joe rogan
Jesus Christ.
tom papa
The Japanese?
unidentified
What?
tom papa
I didn't even know they were in the space game.
jamie vernon
It's orbiting it right now, apparently.
joe rogan
Well, the Japanese have the Himawari-8 satellite that takes gigantic high-resolution full photos of the Earth from 22,000 miles out every 10 minutes, somewhere around then.
tom papa
Oh, yeah?
joe rogan
Yeah, well, pull that up.
The Himawari-8, what's the details of the Himawari-8?
It's one of the best things to use against these flat-earth dorks.
Because for the longest time, one of the things they were saying is that there was no full photos of the Earth from space, that everything was just stitched together.
They don't know jack shit.
They're so fucking stupid.
It's such a scary, stupid theory.
jamie vernon
Real time.
joe rogan
But this is real time.
tom papa
Oh, look, it's nighttime.
joe rogan
How far away is the distance, the Himawari 8?
I think it's 22,000 miles.
tom papa
Himawari 8. That's a satellite?
jamie vernon
22,241.
joe rogan
So the satellite is 22,000 miles above the Earth and it takes real-time photos every 10 minutes in high resolution.
They're like massive, massive photographs.
But they use it to predict weather and you can literally see storms coming in and shit.
It's so badass.
tom papa
That's amazing.
joe rogan
Look how you zoom in and zoom out.
tom papa
I had no idea the Japanese were doing all this.
joe rogan
Oh, they're on the ball, son.
They make the best cars.
Their cars don't break.
You're fucking around with these Teslas.
That shit's gonna run out of the batteries in the desert.
tom papa
I'm gonna be stuck.
joe rogan
You're gonna be with chapped lips like a Mad Max movie.
Just shuffling.
Trying to get to Nevada.
tom papa
Trying to charge my car with a phone.
joe rogan
I have credit cards.
You can have my credit cards.
Just give me water.
You from California?
You some kind of queer?
tom papa
It worked for a while.
joe rogan
You trying to queer us up?
tom papa
I'm just listing my footprint, guys.
joe rogan
Oh, you're one of them electric car guys.
Yeah, how'd that work out with your conflict minerals?
unidentified
You're an electric car, you piece of shit.
tom papa
I just try to be nice to the planet, guys.
joe rogan
How could those cars not run on solar power?
That's what I don't get.
Especially in California.
Like, everything's solar.
Why don't you have a solar roof panel?
tom papa
On the car itself, you mean.
To regenerate the battery.
joe rogan
The hood should be solar?
tom papa
Yeah, you're right.
joe rogan
Oh my god.
Look at all the known asteroids from 1999 to 2018. What?
unidentified
Whoa.
joe rogan
The fuck?
We live in a shooting gallery.
tom papa
Look at that.
joe rogan
NASA's identified more than 18,000 near-Earth objects.
tom papa
They're just floating around all around us.
joe rogan
Discovery rate.
Hold on.
Back that up again.
The discovery rate averages, what did it say?
40 per week.
tom papa
It's asteroids.
joe rogan
Oh my God.
It literally is.
Hold on.
Back up.
Back up.
Chance of a large Earth asteroid hitting Earth is slim.
What?
But scientists will continue to monitor all known near-Earth objects for any potential collision with Earth.
They say with Slim...
You know what?
I was talking to this one scientist.
tom papa
Look at that.
joe rogan
I was talking to this one scientist, and he was like, well, they already have plans in effect.
If they find asteroids, it's not something that I'm concerned with.
They're already thinking about that, and I think we'll be fine.
So then I talked to Neil deGrasse Tyson, and I said, how much time would we need to plan for an asteroid hitting us?
He goes, at least 10 years.
I'm like, What?
tom papa
10 years?
joe rogan
I go, 10 years?
And he goes, yeah.
I go, so we're fucked.
He goes, we'd be fucked.
I'm like, no!
This other guy lied to me!
tom papa
Wait, what do you mean?
10 years from when?
joe rogan
From when you find it to when we could figure out a way to stop it.
tom papa
Oh, that it would take us to...
joe rogan
10 years.
tom papa
You're not just...
joe rogan
Oh, I... So asteroids coming towards Earth.
You need 10 years gap time between recognizing it's definitely going to hit Earth and having the ability and the technology to shift its direction.
tom papa
Couldn't you just go and shoot a rocket at it?
joe rogan
No, bro.
tom papa
Why not?
joe rogan
It doesn't work that way.
tom papa
That's what happened in that movie.
joe rogan
Which one?
Deep Impact or Armageddon?
tom papa
The Will Smith one, right?
joe rogan
Oh, it was Armageddon?
unidentified
Was it Will Smith?
joe rogan
No, it was Samuel L. Jackson.
tom papa
No.
joe rogan
Which one was Samuel L. Jackson, the president?
Was it Morgan Freeman?
Morgan Freeman.
tom papa
I'm Morgan Freeman.
joe rogan
Did they give up on the Me Too against him?
Seems like they let it go.
tom papa
I think so.
I'm Morgan Freeman.
joe rogan
They tested the waters.
tom papa
Leave me alone.
I didn't do anything.
joe rogan
What do you think about this Louis C.K. thing?
Louis C.K. has returned.
tom papa
Yeah, he came back.
Everybody's going crazy.
joe rogan
Kyle Dunnigan did a...
Go to Kyle Dunnigan's page and pull out his Instagram.
Kyle Dunnigan, who has the best Instagram page.
The best.
tom papa
It's the best.
joe rogan
If you're not going there, it's Donald Trump congratulating Louis C.K. for his return.
tom papa
Oh, no.
joe rogan
Give me some volume.
unidentified
Hey, Louis!
Trump loved what you did at the comedy club.
So terrific.
Nobody knew what was happening until you were standing right in front of them spewing out your material.
Classic Louis.
joe rogan
Well, thank you, sir.
unidentified
You didn't ask anyone if they wanted to see it.
You gave them no choice but to watch you work it.
Beautiful.
I just went there to do some jokes.
They were good jokes.
Now people are like, oh, too soon.
I'm on stage forever.
You should have talked about the elephant in the room, though, okay?
Start off with something like, hey, I just flew in from California, and boy, are my arms tired from jacking off in the airplane the whole time.
It was terrific.
Everybody was trapped and they're forced to watch me.
Best plan of my life.
D'oh, are you crazy?
You mean that joke?
Okay, I gotta go, okay?
tom papa
Yeah, me too.
unidentified
Me too.
Louis CK, you're hilarious.
Hey, Louis.
Oh, he's so damn funny.
joe rogan
Shout out to Kyle Dunn.
tom papa
My old roommate.
joe rogan
Is he really your old roommate?
tom papa
Oh yeah, Kyle and I for sure.
joe rogan
Where'd you guys live together?
tom papa
New York City in a horrible one-bedroom apartment.
Had no doors.
I was on a futon.
He was in the back.
We had no windows.
It was covered with roaches.
unidentified
Wow.
tom papa
No sink in the bathroom.
joe rogan
Look at you now, making bread on TV. Kyle Dunn gets mocking the president and one of the best comedians of our age.
unidentified
I know, it's so great.
tom papa
Oh, what a mess.
What a mess.
joe rogan
What do you think about this?
Some people don't want him to come back.
Some people think he should be allowed to come back and he served time off.
And then the argument by a lot of women is, yeah, but he hasn't said anything.
tom papa
He hasn't done anything.
joe rogan
Yeah, what is...
What shows that he's learned?
What should you have to do?
tom papa
I don't know.
I mean, Louie's very smart.
I'm sure if he wants to keep doing it after this reception, he'll probably come out with some statement or do something.
I don't know.
But the reality is...
What did he lose?
They took away...
Networks took away his stuff.
Film distributors weren't going to put out his film.
But as a comedian...
joe rogan
By all accounts, the film was shit.
Anybody who's seen the film...
tom papa
I haven't seen it.
joe rogan
I have a few friends that saw it.
They're like, it's just so creepy and weird.
Especially in light of what he was doing.
Yeah, it's just like...
tom papa
No, but regardless whether it was good or not, I'm just saying, like, the industry said...
FX said, I'm taking this show from you.
HBO said, we're taking this stuff off.
Netflix said, we're taking this off.
joe rogan
Well, he definitely lost money financially.
tom papa
For sure.
And those are entities that...
joe rogan
Okay, but is that punishment, or is that them exercising their desire to not work with someone who's been accused of something that they don't want to be associated with?
Is that a punishment?
That seems to me that they're making a decision of who they work with and who they not work with.
It affects him negatively, but it's not necessarily a punishment.
tom papa
Well, I don't know.
I think it would feel like a punishment.
joe rogan
Sure.
tom papa
But my point is, there's these entities that can prevent him from making a living.
As a comedian, though, he can walk into a garage, and if he has fans, they're going to come see him.
joe rogan
Right.
tom papa
He has that under his control.
joe rogan
Yeah.
tom papa
Right?
joe rogan
Yeah.
tom papa
Nobody can stop that.
Nobody.
So he can do it.
It's up to him whether he wants to or not.
It's up to his fans whether they show up or not.
And it's up to the people that hate what he did and are really against him to not go.
joe rogan
Right.
Well, that's why this thing was weird, because he just showed up at the cellar, which is his favorite place to go, and he just worked out material.
tom papa
And the audience, like Kyle was saying, is just, they're trapped in there and they can't get out.
They didn't have an option to say, I don't want to see him.
joe rogan
It's really interesting all the different spins, though.
All the different women's spins.
And one really bizarre spin that I saw was this woman was saying that this is indicative of the problem of all comedy clubs, an aggressive male audience, and women sitting there...
Feeling threatened not being able to use their voice.
I'm like, use their voice?
What are you going to heckle?
Are you saying you would be more empowered if there were more women so you could heckle?
tom papa
Yeah.
joe rogan
That's not cool.
You're not supposed to do that at a comedy club.
If you don't like someone, just don't laugh.
jamie vernon
Right.
joe rogan
But here's the thing.
It's not your job or it's not your place to say that you don't like someone when the other people do like it.
Right.
tom papa
You can get up and walk out.
joe rogan
Yeah, just like you're going to see a movie.
Like, you're an audience member.
The deal is, you're not there to perform.
The audience is there to just sit there and laugh or not laugh.
But don't be rude to the other people that are enjoying it.
So as soon as you put your sensibilities above the rest of the audience, well, you're a problem.
If you decide, like, hey, I didn't like this, I'm going to go home and write about it, that's totally your prerogative.
tom papa
That's fine.
Get up and walk out.
That's fine.
joe rogan
Or go somewhere else and talk about it on stage yourself.
Nothing wrong with any of those things.
But this one woman's take was like, women don't feel like they have the ability to speak out about it.
I'm like, speak out?
So you're saying to heckle, hey, I don't want you on stage.
I know everything about you and your story.
tom papa
And it's up to me.
joe rogan
I don't want you to perform in front of me, even those other people are laughing.
tom papa
Right.
joe rogan
And that these aggressive men were yelling, good to see you back, Louis.
Aggressive men.
Like, what?
Okay.
That's like, there's a framing of this.
And this is one of, it becomes this male versus female framing.
That Louis sort of represents aggressive men, sexual men, doing things to women they don't want.
The women are sitting there in silence.
They don't want to be there.
And they don't have a voice because they feel overwhelmed and overpopulated or outnumbered.
tom papa
Well, the problem is those guys that Harvey and him and Matt Lauer and people like that, they are the poster boys for that.
So they're going to be watched very closely.
joe rogan
How does Matt Lauer fit into that?
I get confused by this one.
By all accounts, Matt Lauer had affairs, right?
In the office with girls who worked with him.
So what was inappropriate is he was having sex with his staff, right?
tom papa
Right, but he was also hitting on people that didn't want to be hit on in his office.
Yeah, that was the accusations.
Yeah, it wasn't just he was dating them.
He was also, you know, making weird advancements in the office.
unidentified
Yeah.
Okay.
tom papa
But I mean, all these guys, you know, they're all very complicated.
They're all very fuzzy kind of things.
But, you know, those guys are going to be watched very closely.
As you see, Louis just goes to this little club and does a set, and it's national news and national debate.
It's like, it's...
It's heady stuff.
joe rogan
It's heady stuff.
tom papa
Yeah.
joe rogan
But what's fascinating is that as a culture, we're going through this great time of change and this great time of introspective thinking and of...
We're observing our behavior and discussing our behavior and watching this.
You have the worst case examples of which, in my opinion, is Cosby.
The worst case example, like drugging people and raping them.
I mean, there's a woman who was on television, on CNN. She said something that freaked me out once.
She said...
It is entirely possible that Bill Cosby is the most prolific serial rapist in history.
tom papa
Oh, jeez.
That's a big statement.
joe rogan
I heard that and I went, maybe she's right.
Maybe she's right.
Like, how many people does a regular rapist rape before they get caught?
tom papa
Yeah.
joe rogan
You know?
tom papa
I mean, that's the number that came out against him.
I'm sure there's other people that had...
Yeah.
joe rogan
So that's like the far end of the spectrum.
unidentified
Right.
joe rogan
And then on the other end of the spectrum, you got like Louie.
unidentified
Mm-hmm.
joe rogan
Who's...
Did something was definitely you wouldn't want to happen to your wife.
tom papa
No, your kids.
joe rogan
Or your kids.
tom papa
Or your friends.
joe rogan
I don't know the whole story.
You know, Kurt Metzger was telling me that one of the girls who came out against him, like, they had been flirting, like, the whole weekend and talking about sex, like, the whole weekend.
And then he did that.
And then he had sent the girl a text saying, I'm really sorry that I did that.
And she said, don't worry about it.
Look, we were talking about sex all weekend.
And then when the accusations came out, obviously there was more accusations that seemed to be more egregious.
She threw her hat into the mix as well.
tom papa
Right.
joe rogan
I don't know if that's true or not, though.
The problem with a lot of these stories is you're hearing them third, fourth, fifth hand.
tom papa
Yeah.
joe rogan
You don't...
All you know is he said those stories are true and that he recognized that he did something wrong and he was going to take time off.
So that, to me, is not a guy defending himself.
That's a guy saying, yeah, I definitely fucked up.
I'm going to step back.
So he steps back for nine months or whatever it was, and people are saying, that's not long enough.
You didn't do anything.
You've got to...
So what what should someone do?
Like in one of the things that Michael Ian Black said on Twitter before they tore his dick off and stuffed it in his nose.
That was a crazy thing to watch because he's like super progressive, very liberal.
tom papa
Yeah.
joe rogan
And he was saying that, you know, like that Me Too has to offer men a road to redemption.
unidentified
Mm hmm.
joe rogan
And a lot of these women were saying, no, every road to redemption begins with, I'm sorry, which is a very valid point.
A very valid point.
You should have to say, I'm sorry.
And I think he's said, I'm sorry, but I don't know what he said to the women.
I don't know what he said.
He had the one public statement.
Did he say, I'm sorry, in that one public statement?
tom papa
In that Times article, it was kind of like a veiled, I'm sorry, I think.
joe rogan
I don't know, Matt.
tom papa
I don't know.
You know, I hesitate to comment on any of it because it's like his mess.
And like if anyone that comments on it or comes near it or like the owner of the Comedy Cellar, everyone's got to deal with the aftermath of what this guy did.
It's like, why am I, you know, as the owner of the Cellar, it's like, why does he have to get brought into Louie's behavior?
joe rogan
Right.
for saying that Louis deserves the opportunity to make a living.
tom papa
Right.
Right, I saw that.
joe rogan
And they were going after Michael Che and his useless opinion, like, whoa.
tom papa
Yeah.
joe rogan
Whoa.
unidentified
Yeah.
joe rogan
You know, but look, they're allowed their opinion that Michael Che's opinion is useless.
I mean, this is one of the beautiful things about free expression.
tom papa
No, completely.
That's where it's kind of the most interesting for me.
And I don't mean that I take pleasure in any of this because it's horrible for everyone involved.
But...
It's interesting.
Like I said, there's companies that probably won't go back into business with him.
But as a comedian, he could put a show up in the park.
He could put a show up anywhere he wants.
It's really up to him.
And people can protest it.
They can not show up.
They can buy tickets by the thousands.
It's going to be interesting to see when he takes that part of his earning and that part of his life in his own hands.
You really can't stop him.
joe rogan
Yeah, in that way.
It's like how you frame it.
I don't think Louie's a bad guy at all.
I think what Louie is is a pervert.
And I think he's, you know, he's into...
I think part of it is like being naughty and doing something that's forbidden and, you know, and getting away with it and having these girls like him for being a comedian and then doing that to them.
I mean, this is my speculation.
There's a lot of weirdness to it.
But I don't think that he's like...
An angry person, and I don't think he's trying to be hurtful.
I don't think any of that was.
I think it's just terrible judgment.
Everything, I mean, you could say a lot about it that's fucked up, but it's like what it is is not He's not trying to hurt people.
I think he's just fucking weird.
Think about what it is.
He's asking, can I jerk off in front of you?
When it comes to that kind of creepy shit, it's the most considerate way to approach it.
Can I jerk off in front of you?
He's literally asking.
tom papa
Adorable.
unidentified
It's funny.
joe rogan
It's so fucked up.
tom papa
It is a mess.
joe rogan
I'm not diminishing the effect that it would have on a woman who respects him.
She just thinks he's our friend and next thing you know he's got his dick out.
I get it.
That's not what I'm saying.
tom papa
It's a weird thing because those women were obviously very hurt.
And there's degrees of like, oh, they texted this or they said that.
To go out and do that to somebody in a powerful position and come out and say it and know that you're going to get hate from the world...
Risky.
They were in a place that they were hurt enough that they felt that they had to say something and do something.
joe rogan
Sure.
tom papa
And you just want, like on this personal level, you want them to be okay.
unidentified
Right.
joe rogan
You want everybody to be okay.
tom papa
You want them to be okay and feel like they had justice for coming out, being brave enough to come out and say something.
joe rogan
Well, you also want to protect people from that happening again.
tom papa
Yeah, right.
And then the only way, one of the only ways is like you got to kind of And there's definitely a feeling, you know, the comedy world is like separate and we kind of like, you know, it's a crazy environment and nightclub kind of a thing.
And what you heard once these women came out was, no, this is kind of inappropriate that girls, women can...
Can't come into a club and just feel okay.
Like they have to field all this stuff and guys hitting on them all the time.
Like it kind of made you look at the scene and be like, alright, maybe this scene could be cleaned up a little bit as well.
joe rogan
Well, it's like what I was saying about really a worse version of working out at a gay gym.
It's like if you go to a gay gym and you see men leer at you, you get that feeling that these guys want to have sex with you and you definitely don't want to have sex with them.
That is how women feel all the time.
tom papa
And you're coming to the comedy store or wherever and you're trying to just start out as a comic.
That's such a big thing already.
And then you throw a whole other layer on it that everyone's hitting on you from the doorman to the headliner.
That's got to be a big thing.
And it's like...
So, I think that those women should feel good that it definitely...
They should...
joe rogan
It made an impact.
tom papa
They should know that they've been heard.
joe rogan
Yeah.
tom papa
And that they shined a light on something that even people that were in it, men that were in it, were unaware of.
joe rogan
Yeah.
tom papa
They were definitely heard.
joe rogan
It's very difficult for people to consider, really objectively consider, other people's perspectives.
Like, really consider it.
People consider it in a convenient way.
Like, you know, they know what they can get away with, but do they really consider how the other person feels and thinks?
tom papa
Yeah.
joe rogan
And, you know, that's on both sides.
tom papa
It's hard.
joe rogan
There's inconsiderate women, there's inconsiderate men, and then, you know, we both do it to each other, and then people develop bad traits and bad associations with the opposite sex, and it's a very common thing that people do.
But I think...
Situations where the discussion is so emotionally charged like this, it's good for us.
It's good for us.
It allows this public discourse.
It allows this public discussion of it.
tom papa
And there hasn't been people that have gotten hurt by people.
That have come out and said it like in our scene where they're like nice people and they've been attacked.
It was very few.
joe rogan
Yeah.
tom papa
But it was like, hey, there's some big important people in this scene and they're acting inappropriately.
And, you know, you're right.
I think it's good.
It's definitely woke it up and moved it further.
Right.
I have a funny daughter.
I know you have a funny daughter.
Who knows?
If they see our life and want to go pursue it, you want them to be able to go to a club and not have to deal with a whole other...
It's enough when you're starting out to get five minutes of good material and to get the audience to like you and get the respect of your peers.
Then you've got to worry about someone following you in the parking lot.
joe rogan
I have a friend of mine who's a comic and she got hit on by this other guy who's a comic.
Who shall remain nameless?
And she showed me some of the texts that he sent her, and I was like, holy shit.
tom papa
Right.
joe rogan
And one of them was like, I'm the only one that can make you cum or something fucking crazy like that.
tom papa
I'm like, what?
unidentified
I'm like, what?
tom papa
Yeah, it's...
joe rogan
I'm like, hey, bro.
unidentified
What?
joe rogan
Yeah.
tom papa
So then it comes down to, okay, so these women were heard.
Obviously, it's created a movement, you know.
But then it becomes, on the other side, it becomes about, but did this man, was he punished enough?
And do we have control over whether or not he's allowed to come back as an audience?
joe rogan
Like, for a woman, like, the thing about a guy being angry with you, it carries that threat of physical danger.
unidentified
Mm-hmm.
joe rogan
You know, that's a different thing.
tom papa
I know.
I was thinking, I was on a hike the other day, and I was thinking about that fine line at the end of the night in a bar.
Those meathead guys who were trying to, like, hit on girls.
And when it doesn't work, they decide they're just going to fight instead.
joe rogan
Fucking lesbian.
tom papa
No, that they're going to fight guys.
That's a fine line.
You know what I mean?
They're both almost violent acts.
It's like aggressively hitting on women and being like, it's not going to happen.
Well, screw it.
I don't like the way that guy's been looking at me.
joe rogan
I think it's just frustration.
They're just frustrated.
tom papa
But looking at a male...
Doing that.
Like, it is an aggressive...
This is an aggressive animal here.
And one minute he could have been...
I could have said yes and brought him home with me.
Well, he said no, and now he's punching that guy in the parking lot.
joe rogan
How often does that happen, though?
Is that really a common narrative?
tom papa
Yeah, whenever...
joe rogan
Guys don't get laid, they try to hit on girls, and they just beat the shit out of each other?
tom papa
Yeah, it seems like it happens all...
It seems like it happens all the time.
joe rogan
All this sex in my body, I need to beat out on you, bro.
tom papa
Even in the village, you're walking down the street and there's just like an angry frat group of guys just like raging drunk.
You know they were trying to get laid ten minutes earlier.
joe rogan
Yeah, male angst.
tom papa
My point being that men are formidable, dangerous, gross creatures.
joe rogan
They're gross.
tom papa
Yeah, and they're big and they're hairy.
joe rogan
That's why there's seven billion people, because men are gross and they shoot loads into each other.
Everybody's shooting lows into people.
tom papa
Especially at your weightlifting gym.
I had a gay friend in New York.
What was the name of that gym there?
David Barton or something like that?
joe rogan
David Barton?
tom papa
It's like some kind of health club in New York.
joe rogan
Okay.
tom papa
And it was...
It was mostly gay men.
And my friend said, he said, no, you don't understand.
It's really, I mean, it's to the point where when you're working out on a machine, there are pin lights that come right down on your bicep.
The lighting is made to make you look sexier while you're working out.
He said it was the greatest gym of all time.
joe rogan
They have, like, specific kind of lighting to accentuate the musculature?
tom papa
Yeah, like if I was on a curling machine right now, there'd be a light that came from the ceiling that hits where your biceps are.
joe rogan
To make the shadows, to make the peaks look bigger.
unidentified
Yeah.
joe rogan
Yeah.
So it's about sex.
tom papa
Yeah.
You're working out.
joe rogan
Well, if you go to a regular gym, you see people hitting on each other all the time.
tom papa
Yeah.
Of course.
joe rogan
Is that it?
David Barton gym.
Yeah, that looks sexy.
tom papa
The one in Chelsea.
Doesn't that look sexy?
Yeah, look at that.
Dumbbells.
joe rogan
Oh, those dumbbells.
unidentified
It's sexy.
joe rogan
What is that?
tom papa
That looks like a bar.
joe rogan
What is that?
tom papa
Oh, those are machines.
joe rogan
Those are cardio machines.
tom papa
Yeah, up top.
joe rogan
How weird.
tom papa
Sex is a weird thing.
joe rogan
It is, for sure.
Well, it's even weirder when it's packaged with advertising and sleekness and music and then you see it in real life and people are- Sex sells, baby!
And then on this social media and everyone's sticking their ass out and, you know, it's like there's so much going on.
tom papa
Yeah.
joe rogan
There's so much.
We're so overstimulated with sexual imagery.
tom papa
Do you feel like you'll be grateful when you're old and your sex drive is gone?
joe rogan
No, I'll be almost dead then.
I'll be like, sad.
What do you hate, sex?
No, it's not about sex being bad.
It's about being an asshole.
And it's also about the shit roll of the dice that you get if you're physically unattractive, when it's difficult to get someone who's attracted to you.
unidentified
Yes.
joe rogan
That's hard, too.
tom papa
That is hard.
joe rogan
That is an inescapable reality of some people's bodies.
unidentified
Yes.
joe rogan
Some people are just, they have bad genetics.
tom papa
Yeah.
joe rogan
And then it must be insanely frustrating.
tom papa
It's got to be frustrating.
joe rogan
Yeah.
tom papa
But then you've got to just find someone else that's funny looking.
joe rogan
Then you don't want them.
tom papa
Yeah, make yourself want them.
joe rogan
You want Demi Moore to hit on you the way she hit on Michael Douglas in that movie.
unidentified
How come I can't be in this disclosure movie?
joe rogan
Do you know that people are mad that someone's playing the elephant man, but that they're an able-bodied person?
This is the most recent PC uproar, that they hired an able-bodied actor to play the elephant man.
tom papa
Well, how many...
Elephant men are in the Actors Guild.
joe rogan
It's just exhausting.
It's exhausting keeping up with everything.
tom papa
Yeah.
joe rogan
Everything is outrageous.
Everything.
tom papa
Yeah.
Well, this is the time, like you said, like...
Getting outrage in discussions and then it'll kind of come back to a normal spot.
joe rogan
Stranger Things stars casting an Elephant Man remake criticized by a disability charity.
But you know what?
tom papa
You need a good actor.
joe rogan
Yeah.
You just can't make everybody happy.
And by the way, here's the thing, no disrespect to the disability charity, but a lot of these disability charities criticize this just so that they can highlight their charity and it's very good for the charity if they criticize things.
tom papa
Right.
joe rogan
Because it makes people aware of it, it becomes a big public story, and then they get donations.
tom papa
Yeah.
joe rogan
It's not bad for them.
tom papa
You've got to consider the source.
I mean, they're probably just artists trying to make the film, and, you know, who knows?
If they're good people, then you know that they're going to respect it.
unidentified
Nope.
joe rogan
You need a disability person in there.
A person with disabilities to play a person with disabilities.
Period.
You piece of shit.
tom papa
But isn't that what acting is?
joe rogan
Shut the fuck up and let people of disability speak.
tom papa
Yeah, but I thought acting was pretending.
joe rogan
How about this?
tom papa
I thought acting was doing something that you're not.
joe rogan
First people of color speak, then women of color, then women, then gay, lesbian, straight, trans, bisexual, asexual, intersexual, then you, you fucking white male bread-making piece of shit!
tom papa
I just make bread.
Leave me out of all of your crazy sex condom.
I don't know what's going on with all you guys whacking off.
joe rogan
Do you want to be an ally or not?
You son of a bitch!
tom papa
Look, I'm just trying to show you the best cupcakes in New York.
joe rogan
Oh.
What are you doing in L.A.? Are you going to film in L.A.? Yeah.
tom papa
We did Vito's Pizza.
joe rogan
Where'd you go?
Where's Vito's Pizza?
tom papa
Vito's Pizza right by Largo.
Between Largo and the Comedy Store.
So good.
Really?
unidentified
There's a good pizza place in L.A.? The best pizza in L.A. Fuck out of here.
tom papa
I'm telling you.
joe rogan
How good is it?
tom papa
He came from New Jersey.
His name's Vito.
He's got his sourdough starter.
joe rogan
Is he one of those guys with chips in the water?
tom papa
No.
He says it's not about the water.
That's a farce.
He goes, you just have to know what you're doing.
Have good ingredients.
Impeccable.
Because he knows how to make the dough.
unidentified
Really?
tom papa
Yeah.
This guy's legit.
joe rogan
He's spraying the water and he's lying about it.
tom papa
No.
Vito's the real deal.
joe rogan
Vito's got trucks of water in his backyard.
He's not telling nobody.
tom papa
Vito!
joe rogan
Fucking Vito!
tom papa
Look at that meatball sub.
There he is!
joe rogan
Look at that fucking meatball sub.
Ooh, that looks so good.
tom papa
It's so good.
joe rogan
If I was going to go off my diet, I would be eating that meatball sub.
tom papa
Oh, it's so good.
joe rogan
Spaghetti looks very good as well.
tom papa
Everything this guy makes is amazing.
unidentified
Damn, Vito.
tom papa
It literally smelled like my grandmother's house.
joe rogan
Damn, look at that cannoli, Vito, you motherfucker.
I'm in ketosis over here.
Why you gotta fucking do this to me, Vito?
tom papa
Come on, Joe.
When you're off it and we're at the store, we'll go to Vito's.
It's literally down the street.
joe rogan
I'm on it right now.
tom papa
For how long?
joe rogan
I go on and off.
I'll go on it for a few months.
I'll go off it for a few months.
Yeah.
tom papa
All right.
joe rogan
I mean, occasionally I'll have a cheat day, so it'll knock me out of ketosis for a few hours and knock me back.
tom papa
Just a few hours.
joe rogan
Yeah.
Well, right now I'm in, you would call it mild ketosis.
If you look at my piss strip, I put it up on my Instagram.
There's a chart.
It shows you like the darkest to the lightest.
tom papa
Oh, yeah?
joe rogan
Yeah.
I'm in like mid, so I've only been on it for five days, six days.
tom papa
How do you feel?
joe rogan
I always feel good.
I get used to doing it.
I'm used to it.
tom papa
It seems weird.
joe rogan
It seems like I'm not on that spectrum at all.
It's because it dried out a little bit before I put it up to...
tom papa
What happens if you eat a slice of Vito's?
joe rogan
It'll knock me down to that negative.
tom papa
Uh-huh.
joe rogan
Where it's nothing.
tom papa
That quickly.
One slice?
joe rogan
Yeah.
I'm somewhere in the range of moderate.
Moderate ketosis.
tom papa
Moderate ketosis.
joe rogan
But again, I pissed on it and then I let the strip sit for a little bit and it dried.
And it looks a little weird.
tom papa
This is disgusting.
joe rogan
Anyway, what it does for me though, it's very good for my appetite and there's cognitive benefits.
tom papa
You feel sharper?
joe rogan
Yeah, my mind feels clearer when I'm on it, yeah.
tom papa
That's interesting.
joe rogan
I think there's a certain amount of fog that comes with carbohydrate consumption.
tom papa
Too much.
joe rogan
Yeah.
Well, carbohydrate consumption in general.
When you eat carbohydrates, post-carbohydrate consumption is like a lack of mental clarity, like a downturn of the way your brain functions.
tom papa
You know what I call that?
Sleepy time.
Nap time.
joe rogan
Nappy time.
unidentified
Yeah.
tom papa
Sweet, sweet nap time.
joe rogan
Nap time.
Well, you and I contrast in many ways, my friend.
tom papa
I try and dial it in.
I don't eat this stuff all the time, but you know.
joe rogan
Yeah, but look, you love it.
tom papa
I do love it.
joe rogan
There's nothing wrong with it.
tom papa
It's a celebration of life.
joe rogan
And one of my favorite dishes on planet Earth is linguine with clams.
I love it.
unidentified
It's so good.
joe rogan
When I want to go off, like when I was in Italy, I was in Italy a couple weeks ago.
tom papa
Oh yeah?
Where'd you go?
joe rogan
I ate it every day.
Ravello.
tom papa
Ravello, where's that?
joe rogan
Amalfi Coast.
Went to Capri.
We took a boat to Capri and we ate there.
It's fucking phenomenal food.
The food was outrageous.
tom papa
So fresh clams with the...
joe rogan
Fresh sardines, man.
Filets.
Sardine filets in olive oil.
So good.
tom papa
The best.
joe rogan
So good.
tom papa
Oh my god!
joe rogan
So good.
Clams, the clams, everything was so fresh.
But it was interesting, there was Valentin Thomas, who was a professional spearfisher person she was on the other day, and she was saying that the oceans in that area are completely overfished.
tom papa
Oh, really?
joe rogan
Yeah, it's almost impossible for a regular person to go there and catch a fish.
tom papa
That's terrible.
joe rogan
They just overfished everything.
tom papa
It's such a bummer being alive now.
It's such a bummer that everywhere you go, it's always the end of whatever.
It's the end of the coral reef.
It's the end of these animals running through the woods.
It's the end of...
It's such a bummer.
joe rogan
It is, in a lot of ways.
tom papa
Even I try to show my kids nice nature videos like I used to watch with my dad, and everyone at the end is like, but this is going away.
It's just like, ugh, it sucks.
joe rogan
Some of it is going away.
Isn't most of it?
I mean, it's how you look at it.
It's like we're definitely in an unsustainable path, right, in terms of just what we're doing agriculturally.
If you talk to farmers and you appreciate what they do with large-scale agriculture, you're not supposed to grow food in the same plot of land for fucking 50 years.
tom papa
Corn.
joe rogan
And just constantly throwing minerals on the ground and constantly growing.
And then you get these minerally deficient plants.
tom papa
Right.
joe rogan
You know, they're just not the same.
And it's just not good for...
tom papa
You're not...
joe rogan
Yeah, the only thing it's good for is like deer.
Because deer can come by and eat all your corn whenever you want.
You get a high population of deer in the area.
tom papa
You're not supposed to feed cattle corn either.
joe rogan
No.
It's also like wildlife is supposed to exist in wildlife habitat, which is like forests and grasslands and meadows and valleys.
tom papa
And sun-fed plants.
joe rogan
Yeah, and they're supposed to be wandering around eating all these things.
They're not supposed to be existing in these massive thousand acre cornfields.
tom papa
It's so gross.
joe rogan
It's just weird.
It's there.
You've like white tail deer to a certain extent in this country have become like farm animals.
They're like a weird farm animal.
That's not an offense.
tom papa
Right.
joe rogan
They're just always around farms, just eating farm food.
tom papa
Yeah.
joe rogan
Yeah.
Like my friend Doug had this interesting thought about that.
He was like, these are...
He goes, my cows are eating grass because he has a farm.
The cows are eating...
The cows are natural, right?
They're organic.
They're eating grass.
My deer are eating GMO corn.
I go, so the deer that are on my property that are wild, the wild animals, are not organic.
tom papa
That's weird.
joe rogan
It's so crazy.
tom papa
That's so weird.
joe rogan
Because they're eating something that's totally unnatural for them to eat, which is GMO corn.
tom papa
Corn is everywhere.
joe rogan
And it's GMO corn.
tom papa
Right.
joe rogan
Because he's growing this corn that's like...
tom papa
Modified.
joe rogan
Yeah, it's like Monsanto corn.
tom papa
Right.
joe rogan
So he's growing this Roundup fucking sprayed corn that these deer are eating.
unidentified
Jeez.
tom papa
It's so bizarre.
joe rogan
Which is wild deer.
tom papa
Yeah.
joe rogan
But yet, the cows that are in captivity are grazing naturally on grass, and they're 100% organic.
tom papa
Jeez, that's weird.
joe rogan
Weird.
tom papa
Weird.
I was reading that whole fertilizer thing, that we weren't able to get nitrogen out of the air until this one scientist did it.
joe rogan
Fritz Haber.
tom papa
Fritz Haber.
joe rogan
Yeah, that was the same guy who created Zyklon gas.
tom papa
He was a Nazi, right?
joe rogan
No.
No, he was a Jew.
tom papa
Oh, he was a Jew?
joe rogan
He was a Jew in Germany.
And the Nazis took it?
Well, in World War I, he was the guy who created the gas that they used to spray on the Allies.
And he actually, at the same time, he created the Haber Method for extracting nitrogen from the atmosphere, which led to...
They think that the nitrogen in people's...
There's a great Radiolab podcast on it.
I think it's called The Bad Show.
And it shows how sometimes good people also do horrible things.
tom papa
Right.
joe rogan
And Fritz Haber was one of the ones that they highlighted.
But when they were going to give him the Nobel Prize for creating the Haber Method for extracting nitrogen from the atmosphere, the air around us is 80% nitrogen.
tom papa
But you couldn't get it out.
joe rogan
Right, you couldn't get it out.
He figured out how to get it.
When we breathe, we think we're breathing in oxygen mostly.
No, it's mostly nitrogen and then some oxygen.
And he figured out how to get it out and turn it into fertilizer and use it Geez.
Geez.
Oh my god.
tom papa
And then they used his gas for the concentration camps.
joe rogan
They used his gas on his family.
tom papa
On his family.
joe rogan
Check this out.
On his extended family, because he created Zyklon gas, but he put...
And Zyklon A, there's a smell that they attached to it, so that you were aware of when the gas was present.
So like if you were working with it, if there was a leak, it was a very obvious smell.
The Nazis took Zyklon A and removed that smell and turned it to Zyklon B, which they used to spray the people in the concentration camp when they murdered the Jews.
tom papa
And his family got caught?
joe rogan
Some of his extended family was killed with the very gas that he created.
tom papa
Oh my god.
joe rogan
Yeah, and then he died.
He was exiled from Germany.
The whole thing was horrible.
He was a Jew.
And so he tried to stand up for Jews as scientists and as people, and it was like slowly getting pushed out as the Nazis were taking control.
tom papa
Oh my God.
joe rogan
And then he wound up leaving the country, and he died of a heart attack.
He had terrible health.
tom papa
Right.
joe rogan
And he died, like, I think he was going to Switzerland for treatment, and he wound up dying.
tom papa
Jeez Louise.
Didn't his wife kill herself?
joe rogan
His wife shot herself in the chest.
In front of, well, it was him and his son, and he left his 13-year-old son with his dead wife and then went back to war.
tom papa
Oh, my God.
joe rogan
Yeah.
tom papa
She did it because?
joe rogan
Because he was killing people with gas.
tom papa
Well, his gas was being used, right?
joe rogan
She was apparently gravely, she was a scientist as well.
unidentified
Oh.
joe rogan
And she was gravely upset at the direction that his science had taken, that he was involved in this new thing.
I mean, can you imagine you're the architect of this new method of killing people?
tom papa
Mass extermination.
joe rogan
Right, but then here's the other problem with that.
tom papa
God, that's such a crazy story!
joe rogan
It's crazy, but what does that mean?
Like, he's too good at killing people?
Oh, we don't believe in killing people by having them choke to death on the fluid in their lungs that's built up because of poison.
We would rather you take a bullet to the dick.
unidentified
Like, what the fuck?
tom papa
We're in war.
joe rogan
Yeah, they're shooting cannons at people.
They have these gigantic 50mm guns.
They're blowing people to smithereens.
And that's okay, but the gas is not okay.
Like, we have rules for how we're supposed to kill people.
tom papa
We kill the right way.
joe rogan
Yeah, what the fuck?
We're dropping nuclear bombs on Hiroshima and Nagasaki.
Nuclear bombs that are completely indiscriminate, wipe out entire cities, kill hundreds of thousands of people in one blast.
That's okay.
tom papa
But that's clean.
joe rogan
That gas, bro.
That gas is dirty.
You're an asshole to use the gas, bro.
tom papa
Terrible story.
unidentified
It's weird.
joe rogan
It's a very terrible story.
It's a weird story.
tom papa
Yeah.
So they took that and that's where fertilizer came from.
joe rogan
You know where he went wrong?
He was trying to fund the war effort by extracting gold from the ocean.
He was convinced that just like his Haber method of extracting nitrogen from the air, he was going to be able to...
Because the ocean has gold in it.
It's very small amounts of gold, but he felt like if you could get it all together, it would be a large amount.
And he could extract that gold from the ocean and then use it to fund the war effort.
tom papa
Sounds like you and I have a treasure hunt.
joe rogan
I think we know what to do once the bread show's done.
The gold show with Tom and Joe.
You and I with scuba gear on, fucking money bags.
The Haber gold process is unique for several reasons.
It effectively is capable of yielding extraction efficiencies with complex ores in the high 90% range with gold purity in the 99% range.
Pre-processing prior to process, we carefully analyzed the ore for the content of other minerals and ore constituents.
So is this something that they actually use?
See, maybe they use it now.
jamie vernon
I think they use it for other things other than gold, too.
This is cyanide.
joe rogan
Aliminate cyanide.
He was a genius.
unidentified
That's cool.
tom papa
Yeah, he was a genius.
joe rogan
But I don't...
The gold thing didn't pan out.
Wink, wink.
Nudge, nudge.
No pun intended.
Get it?
unidentified
Pan for gold?
joe rogan
It didn't work, but he apparently worked on that for years and years and it just never came to fruition.
That was his failure, but his big success.
He felt like he was going to recreate the nitrogen method with the gold method.
Figure out another way to just be a hero for Germany.
tom papa
Amazing.
What an amazing story.
Crazy.
So now we're left with corn being fed to cows.
All our steak has corn in it.
It is awful.
But here's the thing, you know, as I read about that stuff, and, you know, you read about it's such an unnatural thing that we're doing to the cattle to feed them this corn and all this stuff.
But are we at a point where there's just so many people on the planet that this is the only way you can do it?
Or is there other ways to do it?
joe rogan
Maybe.
I'm going to read you something, because people are always complaining about the methane gas that's produced by cows, and that was one of the big arguments that people would say.
One of the reasons why people should not eat cows is because if you do eat cows, like say if you're on that carnivore diet and all you eat is cows, it has a massive negative contribution to the environment.
Right.
But Sean Baker sent me this scientific overview, and it says, in the environmental side of the United States, the entirety of all plants and animal agriculture contributes to 9% of the total U.S. greenhouse gas emissions.
Animal agriculture makes up about 4%, and cattle specifically about...
1.9% based on the latest EPA data.
If every single person in the United States gives up eating meat and went vegan and every single animal were to magically disappear, the overall worldwide effect on greenhouse gas emissions would be about less than 1% difference.
He said he spoke with Professor Frank Interesting.
tom papa
Interesting.
But there's a lot that goes, it's not just the gas that's coming off of, right?
joe rogan
Well, this is the methane question.
tom papa
Right.
joe rogan
You know, the real concern that keeps coming up.
Like, I had this lady on yesterday, and she's on this carnivore diet, which it seems to me that she's got, she had some, she has massive autoimmune issues.
Like, had her hip replaced when she was 17, had her ankle replaced, like, massive arthritis issues.
And she's on this diet of all meat.
And several other people are on this diet as well.
They're calling it the carnivore diet.
They're experiencing, at least for the short term, they're experiencing these tremendous benefits.
So the critics are saying, you're contributing to greenhouse gases and methane.
You're ruining the environment by eating beef.
And he's saying, well, not really.
The amount is very small in comparison to all the other issues.
It's like less than 1% of the greenhouse gases.
tom papa
But then they also hear on that argument that it's really oil that is being used, right?
It's still a carbon-based thing to transport the food.
From the farming all the way through the transporting to getting rid of the waste, to doing all of it, that there's...
joe rogan
For now, but Tesla's making semis.
They're constructing these gigantic, super cool-looking fucking Tron semis that they're going to operate entirely on batteries.
And once that happens, you have automated, battery-controlled trucks.
Then I think the real problem is going to be people out of jobs.
That's going to be a giant crisis.
tom papa
The robots.
joe rogan
Yeah.
Especially for drivers.
Apparently, for men in particular, some massive number in the millions of people in this country rely on driving for a living.
That's a big part of their job.
They're drivers.
It's a giant industry.
tom papa
Well, they say that's happening now across all industries.
Automation.
Yeah, that automation is putting so many people out of work.
joe rogan
Yeah, I'm going to talk to Bernie Sanders about that.
tom papa
Are you?
unidentified
Oh, yeah.
tom papa
No way.
unidentified
Oh, yeah.
joe rogan
Me and Bernie have been emailing each other.
tom papa
Really?
Bernie, that would be a great one.
joe rogan
Joe!
I'd like to talk to that guy.
Yeah.
Well, I also want to talk to other people that are proponents of universal basic income.
And Elon has said that he thinks that this is going to be a real factor in the future, universal basic income.
So this is a Tesla truck that we're looking at right now in a video, which looks like a rolling Apple store.
tom papa
Is anyone in that?
jamie vernon
It's from yesterday in Iowa.
They showed it off.
joe rogan
That's crazy.
jamie vernon
26 cameras on board.
joe rogan
That's so dope.
Where's the batteries?
Is that in the bottom?
Is the bottom the batteries?
tom papa
Is that driving itself?
Or is there someone driving that?
joe rogan
No, the trailer is all batteries.
You have to strap all your packages to the roof.
jamie vernon
The interesting thing is the price.
The price is supposed to be around $200,000.
joe rogan
For one of those?
jamie vernon
Yeah.
joe rogan
Dude, this is what we do.
We buy one of those bitches and we turn it into a roving podcast studio.
It drives us across the country.
tom papa
That would be the coolest.
joe rogan
We talk shit in the back.
tom papa
Wait, it's driving on its own or there is a human driving it?
jamie vernon
That one had a human driving it.
I don't believe these are in production yet.
What is he chasing off?
tom papa
Prototype.
joe rogan
Look at that dork chasing it.
I gotta get a selfie!
tom papa
Hey, is that a teflot truck?
unidentified
Yo, I'm trying to get a selfie!
joe rogan
I'm chasing the truck!
unidentified
I'm gonna get a selfie!
joe rogan
I'm gonna run!
At the end, he's running.
He's like, I can run too!
tom papa
That is the coolest.
I had a gig up in, a last minute gig in Yosemite.
There's a casino up there to open for Smokey Robinson.
joe rogan
Wow.
What was that like?
tom papa
It was the coolest.
joe rogan
Did you meet him?
tom papa
I did meet him.
I met him once before.
There's actually a cool story about meeting him, but I was going to take the Tesla up.
You ran out of juice?
Yeah, I was trying to plot.
Will I be able to do it?
joe rogan
Get rid of that piece of shit.
tom papa
No problem.
No problem.
unidentified
Fuck out of here.
tom papa
They're everywhere now.
Supercharger near Fresno.
joe rogan
Oh yeah, just plan out eight hours in advance.
You can pull over for eight hours and let your shit charge up.
tom papa
No.
joe rogan
What a good move.
tom papa
It factors in that you're only going to need 20 minutes of charge or 30 minutes of charge.
joe rogan
Fuck out of here.
tom papa
I'm telling you, I did it.
joe rogan
Fuck out of here.
You're stopping for 20 minutes at a time?
tom papa
Yeah, well, if you stop and pee and get a coffee.
joe rogan
Read a book.
tom papa
Yeah.
joe rogan
Take a shit.
Go over your Twitter feed.
The car's out there charging.
tom papa
Get out of here, man.
It was great.
joe rogan
Get a goddamn car like a man.
tom papa
It was so great.
joe rogan
Get a Mustang.
Need something with some rumble to it.
tom papa
It was such a nice drive.
joe rogan
Don't you have a midlife crisis or something to attend to?
tom papa
Going through the prairie of Yosemite at sunrise.
joe rogan
What if your bread show takes off?
Get yourself a Corvette.
Are you laughing?
You would never drive a Corvette?
If you had to drive...
tom papa
It's so funny.
unidentified
That's such an East Coast life dream.
joe rogan
Tony Hinchcliffe got a Corvette.
tom papa
Did he really?
joe rogan
Yeah, he calls himself.
He says he has Corvette confidence.
unidentified
When I text him, I text him, hashtag Corvette confidence.
joe rogan
But for real, when you drive a car that's fun, he's like, dude, I drive it to work.
It's a game changer.
He goes, as I'm driving to the comedy store, I get fired up.
It's fast.
It rumbles.
He goes, especially to the ice house because it's further away.
unidentified
I get that car.
tom papa
I have a VW Bug that's just...
joe rogan
Shut your mouth.
Don't ever compare a VW Bug to a fucking Corvette.
unidentified
You son of a bitch.
tom papa
Just having the engine and you're shifting and the smell of gas, it does something to you, for sure.
joe rogan
No, I love VW bugs.
I'm just kidding.
They're very mechanical.
Do you have an old one?
tom papa
67. Oh, those are the real ones.
Yeah, it's beautiful.
joe rogan
A little sewing machine in the back.
tom papa
It's fun.
joe rogan
They're so light, too.
tom papa
Yeah.
joe rogan
You know what they've done with those?
They've taken those old VW bugs and put an old Porsche engine in the back.
tom papa
I know, there's a lot of people doing that.
With the buses, too.
joe rogan
Yeah, so they put like a 170 horsepower old Porsche engine, which doesn't seem like a lot.
170 horsepower is not a lot, but the car weighs nothing.
tom papa
Yeah, with the gas tanking in the front of your car.
joe rogan
And you've got those little tiny skinny-ass tires on it, too, so they spin out all over the place.
tom papa
I think the beauty of it is that you have the original engine and you're just kind of puttering along.
But everyone gets annoyed.
It's like a slow clown car.
People cut you off just to get around you.
They just don't even want to look at you.
joe rogan
In this day and age, I mean, you think about how fast Teslas are.
tom papa
Oh, my God.
joe rogan
Those things are unbelievably fast.
tom papa
It's another sensation.
It's definitely satisfying.
It's not that gasp.
But there's a...
I'm telling you, the sunrise was coming up and I'm just...
Silent, no other cars around, just going through this prairie.
joe rogan
Going to meet Smokey Robinson.
Let me stop for an hour and a half to get some electricity.
Ooh, I can drive for two hours now.
Pull over.
tom papa
Stop.
joe rogan
How much time do you have to plan out just for charging?
Extra five hours?
tom papa
I spent a good day trying to figure out my route.
No, but here's the rock star move.
I had met Smokey once before in New York.
We did a charity for kids in the arts.
Kid rock.
Kids rock or something.
Kids Who Rock or School of Rock, something like that.
Anyway, I'd met him before, so I was excited to take the gig, and I figured I'll meet Smokey Robinson.
It's an outdoor arena.
You know, it's an outdoor event.
And they just used me to burn time while the sun went down so that he could come out at nighttime.
And so I'm sitting there with a guy that I'm just talking to and Smokey comes out of, you know, our dressing rooms are trailers because it's outside in this gravel driveway and stuff.
And Smokey comes out.
He's like 78 now.
He's in all red, red jumpsuit, red cool jacket, red leather boots.
And he comes out and I'm like, all right, I'll get to say hi to Smokey.
The SUV door opens, he goes right into this SUV. And he drives literally 20 feet and drops them off at the stage so he could go right up onto the stage.
He didn't even want to get his boots dirty on the gravel walkway.
joe rogan
Is that what it was?
tom papa
Yeah, so they literally put him in this SUV. I'm telling you, from here to the end of your studio, they just dropped him off and he went right up on stage like that.
That's Smokey!
That is a kick-ass rockstar move.
joe rogan
That's if you don't want to keep your, you know, you won't want to get your boots dirty.
It's a good move.
tom papa
Yeah, comedians don't think that way.
joe rogan
No.
tom papa
I'm walking in my dress shoes across the thing.
joe rogan
Yeah, you just get them all dirty and fucked up.
I feel like I'm one of the people that way.
tom papa
Yeah, right, exactly.
We're not rockstars.
joe rogan
Yeah, rockstar's a different thing, man.
tom papa
Totally.
Totally.
Especially that, that kind of smooth...
This guy's been a rockstar for a long time.
joe rogan
Forever.
tom papa
My parents were listening to him when they were teenagers, you know?
I mean, that's a long time that he's been, still has the voice, still has the cool moves.
joe rogan
Is he, like, healthy?
tom papa
Yeah.
joe rogan
The way he can move well?
tom papa
Totally.
joe rogan
Wow, that's amazing.
tom papa
And he's got this really cool, like...
joe rogan
Does he exercise?
Did you talk to him at all?
tom papa
I didn't, no.
joe rogan
I would like to talk to someone that's that old, that's been around for that long.
Like, Mick Jagger, apparently, is just an exercise fanatic.
tom papa
Yeah, that's what I heard.
joe rogan
Yeah, he exercises twice a day.
tom papa
Yeah.
joe rogan
And he realizes this is the only way.
The only way he can keep this up.
tom papa
Amazing.
joe rogan
I mean, he's in his 70s.
The only way his body's going to maintain health is he's got to consistently exercise.
tom papa
So funny that he's next to Keith.
unidentified
I know.
tom papa
It's hilarious.
Who's the total opposite way to go.
joe rogan
The miracles.
tom papa
Look at him.
Smokey.
joe rogan
Yeah, wow.
unidentified
1965. 65. That picture's from 65?
tom papa
Already a star.
joe rogan
That's amazing.
tom papa
God.
joe rogan
What does he look like today?
tom papa
Very similar.
joe rogan
Google Smokey Robinson in 2018. Is that him?
Well, that's Tony Bennett in Lady Gaga, so that's probably serious.
tom papa
Yeah, that's...
joe rogan
Go to that picture.
Make that picture bigger.
He looks pretty goddamn good for 70. Looks good.
Lady Gaga looks smokin'.
tom papa
Yeah.
She looks like she's gonna be great in that movie.
joe rogan
Sometimes you forget how hot she is.
tom papa
She's in New Stars Born.
joe rogan
Somebody tell me she wasn't hot.
I'm like, bitch, you're out of your mind.
She's a talent.
If you were in Lady Gaga, you tell me you wouldn't smash...
tom papa
You ever see those videos of her when she was in NYU or something, just starting out?
joe rogan
No.
She's super talented.
tom papa
Totally.
joe rogan
In a weird way, right?
tom papa
Yeah, well, her own way.
joe rogan
Yeah.
tom papa
Yeah, she's amazing.
joe rogan
Powerful Smokey Robinson.
tom papa
Look at Smokey.
joe rogan
Yeah, we don't have any comics that are that old right now.
tom papa
Rickles.
joe rogan
Dead.
Yeah, once George Carlin died, he was like our last great touring stand-up that was, you know, of that age from the 60s.
tom papa
Yeah.
joe rogan
No one else is like that that's still around.
tom papa
No.
Joan Rivers gone.
Rickles gone.
You know who is?
Bob Newhart.
joe rogan
Bob Newhart's doing stand-up?
tom papa
Yep, still doing gigs.
joe rogan
Did he take a long time off and start doing them again or something?
tom papa
No, he just would always kind of quietly do it.
joe rogan
Really?
No kidding.
Have you seen him?
tom papa
I've never seen him.
And I actually, he was on Conan the other night.
And I was going to try and get tickets to see him in the Palm Desert.
joe rogan
Burr and I were planning on going to see Cosby before the scandal broke.
tom papa
Oh, yeah?
joe rogan
Yeah.
Because we were talking to him one night at the store, and we'd always heard how good he is.
tom papa
Yeah.
joe rogan
You gotta go see him.
You gotta go see him.
Like Chris Rockett said, dude, he fucking killed.
He killed for two hours.
He went on stage with no opening act.
tom papa
Yeah.
joe rogan
He just walks out there, and he starts talking, and he just starts crushing.
And he goes, I was blown away.
Yeah.
Chris Rock was saying this.
He goes, I went to see him.
I was like, God damn, man, I'm an amateur.
And I was like, wow.
And I was like, all right, we should go.
So Burr and I were planning.
And something came out.
We had to cancel.
And then right after that, something big came up.
The scandal went down.
They were like, oh, God.
tom papa
That's terrible.
joe rogan
Bill saw him, though.
Bill went and saw him.
tom papa
I saw him.
I saw him...
My wife was pregnant with our first baby.
And we had...
I was doing Conan.
And then I was going to have two weeks off before the baby was born.
That was going to be the last gig I did.
We're going to take two weeks off and just hang out before this new baby came.
We're living in New York.
And we went to see Cosby.
Seinfeld took us to see Cosby at Carnegie Hall.
joe rogan
Wow.
tom papa
And we laughed for two hours.
It was a master class.
He was...
So good, so easy, and we just laughed forever and went home and her water broke.
joe rogan
Oh, wow.
tom papa
Yeah, we always felt like all that laughing kind of made her water break.
But it was definitely impressive.
Impressive.
You know what was impressive about it?
He would tell these stories and build it without laughs.
There would be like very few laughs for like 10 minutes as he's telling the story and you didn't realize even as a comic that he was building this tension so when the laugh did come It was bigger than any laugh you've ever heard.
I mean, he would just, it was the building of it.
He's the confidence to not feel like he had to go from laugh to laugh to laugh every 30 seconds.
He would just let it build, let it build, and then it would ba-boom!
It would explode.
joe rogan
I wonder if there's recordings of him later in life, like before the scandal broke, like when he was in his 70s.
Because I think now it would be impossible.
Like if you go to see him, I know he's not performing now, but if he was, it would be impossible.
I wouldn't want to go.
It's like so gross and so tainted.
tom papa
Yeah, it's a shame.
joe rogan
It's so crazy.
You'd have to watch him almost like a scientist and observe him before.
I wonder if you would think about it, too.
Like, now, if you watch it, even if you watch the recording, you'd be watching it thinking, I wonder if he, right now, in the back of his mind, he's like, holy shit, I'm a rapist.
And they don't know.
tom papa
I know.
joe rogan
You know what I mean?
tom papa
I haven't looked at anything that he's done since then.
I mean, you know, that's such a...
Ugh.
joe rogan
He was trying to make a public relations comeback last year.
He did...
See if you find a video of Bill Cosby holding court in a barbershop.
In Philly.
He was at a barbershop in Philly and they were talking about jazz musicians and he was giving them trivia questions.
These barbershop people and jazz musicians.
Then I was reading the comments and the comments were like, we love you, Bill.
We believe you, Bill.
You know, those accusers are assholes.
There he is.
Look at this.
Give me some volume.
unidentified
Maybe bass is on bass.
Maybe bass is on bass.
You're making up these people.
No, I'm fine.
Because you don't have your glasses.
No, I'm trying to tell you.
Eddie told him that I take a two hour shower.
No, you told me.
But I said, he said this, Dr. Cosby.
I said that once I take my shower, I'm one of those people that wipe the shower down.
I don't want the water running on the towel.
I don't want the mildew.
I want the shower to be clean and dry when I get out of it.
Obviously, sir, but obviously you live alone.
Yes, sir.
So you have to clean up, as my father would say, behind your own mess.
Yes, sir.
Even when I was married, I did the same thing.
Everybody in the house at a certain age can all independently take care of our own.
And did they all leave unanimously?
When they left, they could stay on their own.
joe rogan
It's weird to watch him.
unidentified
Your wife as well?
joe rogan
He's wearing that hello friend.
He would wear that on stage.
He would wear sweaters that say hello friend.
tom papa
He started saying that dressing up on stage was a crutch.
So sometimes he would come out with just like his Birkenstocks and just take them off.
He'd just be in his socks.
He thought that being dressed up was like putting on too much of a show.
That you should rely purely on the spoken word of it.
joe rogan
Well, I mean, I don't buy that.
I certainly don't buy you telling other people how they should do it.
I mean, there's a bunch of ways to do it.
tom papa
Well, of course.
joe rogan
If he wants to be comfortable on stage, wear a Hello Friends sweatshirt, that's fine.
tom papa
But he was big at telling people how they're supposed to live, right?
joe rogan
Well, that was so ironic.
That's so ironic about it.
Because Eddie Murphy, first of all, would go on stage with fucking leather jumpsuits on.
tom papa
Yeah.
joe rogan
Like bright red leather jumpsuits unzipped down to the navel.
tom papa
Yeah.
And then Cosby would attack him because he dropped F-bombs.
joe rogan
But meanwhile.
tom papa
But meanwhile.
unidentified
Yeah.
tom papa
It's crazy.
So gross.
joe rogan
Well, hypocrites, man.
tom papa
I know.
joe rogan
It's just strange like that kind of a hypocrite, like telling you how to live your life while they're raping people.
tom papa
And how crazy how many women had to come out before it started to fall?
joe rogan
How crazy is that Hannibal started it all off?
tom papa
Right.
joe rogan
Fucking our buddy Hannibal.
Hannibal just did a show somewhere and talked about it on stage and somebody recorded it.
tom papa
Yeah.
joe rogan
And then people are like, wait, Bill Cosby rapes people?
unidentified
Yeah.
joe rogan
You didn't hear?
unidentified
Right.
joe rogan
And then like wildfire spreads through the culture.
tom papa
But how crazy that it didn't take just one woman saying he raped you.
joe rogan
It had to be like 16. Well, he had settled a bunch of cases.
He settled them, closed the story, sealed the records.
tom papa
Paid millions.
joe rogan
Paid millions.
unidentified
Really?
joe rogan
Yeah, yeah, yeah.
And now he's suing one of the women who's testifying against him because she's violating the hush payment.
tom papa
Oh, right.
Darkness.
So sick of everybody else's sex.
jamie vernon
The Hello Friend is a nod to his son that was murdered.
It's a memorial to him.
tom papa
Oh, jeez.
jamie vernon
There's an article I just found from a long time ago, like 1993, that he made a jazz album dedicated to him called Hello Friend.
tom papa
Oh, God.
joe rogan
Do they ever find who killed his son and why?
tom papa
Yeah, I think they did.
joe rogan
Like his car broke down, right?
tom papa
Yeah, like by the 405 or something, right?
joe rogan
Yeah, and he was like getting out to fix it and someone killed him.
Was it just a random crime or was it robbery?
tom papa
I think it was.
jamie vernon
It was a robbery attempt, it says.
tom papa
Yeah.
joe rogan
Robbery attempt.
Did he have a nice car or something?
I think he had a Mercedes.
tom papa
Ugh, it's so terrible.
What a tragedy.
An American tragedy.
joe rogan
He's an American tragedy straight up across the board, top to bottom.
tom papa
He was so beloved in Fat Albert and the Cosby Show and the stand-up.
joe rogan
The strangest thing is hearing that guy call him Dr. Cosby.
tom papa
Yeah.
joe rogan
Like, dude, you ain't a doctor anymore.
tom papa
Yeah, they think they all took him.
joe rogan
They took that shit back.
tom papa
Like, everyone.
joe rogan
Yeah.
It was an honorary doctorate, right?
tom papa
Yeah, right.
From different schools.
unidentified
Oh.
tom papa
Temple and, yeah.
unidentified
Yeah.
joe rogan
If they gave you an honorary doctorate, would you call yourself Dr. Papa?
tom papa
Yeah.
unidentified
Would you?
tom papa
No.
I'm a minister.
joe rogan
Are you?
Me too.
tom papa
I'm doing Rachel Feinstein's wedding.
Shut the fuck up.
Next Saturday.
joe rogan
Shut the fuck up.
tom papa
My fourth one.
joe rogan
Really?
You've done four?
tom papa
Yeah.
joe rogan
That's beautiful.
tom papa
I marry people.
joe rogan
Congratulations.
tom papa
Yeah, it's a good thing.
joe rogan
Yeah.
tom papa
It's really great.
I actually do really love it.
It becomes very real very fast.
You know, I spend a lot of time writing it.
But once you're up there and two people are coming and you're doing it, it's like, this is a big deal.
This is special.
This is going to be unique.
joe rogan
Unless they get divorced.
tom papa
It's pretty great.
joe rogan
And then it becomes a disaster.
tom papa
No one that I married is divorced.
joe rogan
Oh, maybe get the magic touch, bro.
tom papa
Yeah, maybe.
joe rogan
Maybe you're the secret.
Stopping the divorce rate of 50% in America.
tom papa
That's right.
joe rogan
What did Chris Rock have a joke about?
He goes, and that's just the people who have the balls to leave.
He goes, what about the cowards who stay and suffer?
This is Chris before he was divorced, which is kind of hilarious.
tom papa
Oh, really?
joe rogan
Because once he got divorced, he got taken.
tom papa
Oh, really?
joe rogan
Taken.
I don't think he had a prenup.
So he went down hard.
He was on stage.
He goes, my wife made more money last year doing comedy than Dave Chappelle.
tom papa
Great line.
joe rogan
That was fucking rough, man.
That's rough.
tom papa
That's really rough.
joe rogan
Yeah.
Or more money from comedy, you said.
tom papa
Oh, jeez Louise.
joe rogan
Tough times out there for people.
tom papa
Gotta be funny.
Just enjoy your life.
joe rogan
Make some bread.
tom papa
Make some bread.
Celebrate with your family.
Come on, get a little cabin in the woods.
joe rogan
A little salted butter, a little sour dough.
unidentified
Come on!
Come on, little Vitos.
tom papa
Little sticky buns.
Why not?
joe rogan
Enjoy your life.
How many episodes are you doing to your show?
tom papa
We did eight.
joe rogan
Ah.
tom papa
Eight.
joe rogan
And did you have any say over what cities you chose?
tom papa
Yeah.
joe rogan
Where'd you go?
tom papa
Yeah.
We went to New York, we went to Detroit, Los Angeles, New Orleans, Cleveland, Philly.
All good places.
joe rogan
Nice.
tom papa
All good.
We go in and you just meet these bakers, these people that are baking stuff and making amazing stuff.
We do like four or five stops in each city.
And they're all just great people.
They're just fun families, just, you know, making cakes and feeding the community.
It's great.
joe rogan
And did you do them like with your friends in these towns?
Like if you knew comedians that were in the town?
Did you have them come with you?
tom papa
No.
joe rogan
Just you and the bakers?
tom papa
Gaffigan came in New York to this donut shop and he was the only friend that came this season.
But I'd like to do more of that.
That would be fun.
joe rogan
Now, you're friends with Seinfeld.
tom papa
Uh-huh.
joe rogan
And he's a crazy Porsche fanatic.
Did he ever try to get you to buy a Porsche?
Yeah.
tom papa
Big time Porsche.
No.
No, he kind of like knows I'm not really that big of a car guy.
joe rogan
Have you ever driven one?
tom papa
I did.
He let me drive one once.
joe rogan
What kind did you drive?
tom papa
Because I've never driven it.
It was like a million dollar car.
It was like a...
Blue nine-something S. And it was just in traffic around Santa Monica.
It was really a bummer.
joe rogan
Was it annoying?
It was a million-dollar car?
tom papa
Yeah.
joe rogan
Jesus.
tom papa
Yeah.
joe rogan
What is a million-dollar car?
tom papa
The same as another car, but they only made one of it.
joe rogan
Oh, it was an older car?
tom papa
Yeah, it was like from the 70s, I think.
Or 80s.
And they'd only made like, this was like the second one or something.
But no, it's like if I was into it, he'd get on me and stuff.
joe rogan
But you were only driving it around Santa Monica.
Like if you could get it on an open road.
tom papa
It would be amazing.
unidentified
Yeah.
tom papa
Do you have a Porsche?
joe rogan
Yeah, I got one out there right now if you want to drive it.
tom papa
Oh, you do?
joe rogan
I got a race car.
That white one up there?
See that one?
tom papa
Oh yeah, I've seen that.
joe rogan
It was Jerry Seinfeld.
tom papa
I've seen that at the store.
joe rogan
That's not what you drove.
That 356 is not.
tom papa
No.
joe rogan
That's not a million dollar car.
And that Speedster's not a million dollar car.
It was probably a 911S. It was blue.
It's probably a 911S from the 70s.
Those are worth a lot of money right now.
An RS. Oh yeah?
Yeah, like that one that he's got above.
Scroll down.
That white one.
The white one.
tom papa
Oh, that they couldn't get in the country for a while, right?
joe rogan
The white one.
The white one right there.
There you go.
Yeah.
That one.
tom papa
Wow.
joe rogan
That's a very valuable car.
tom papa
Yeah.
joe rogan
That's an S or an RS from...
tom papa
That's funny.
Woman backed into Jerry Seinfeld.
joe rogan
Did she?
She backed into the car?
jamie vernon
Yeah.
3.35.
joe rogan
3.35 what?
Million?
jamie vernon
Yeah.
tom papa
Jeez.
joe rogan
Oh, my God.
tom papa
Yeah, well, you know, when Mustangs are going for $500,000...
joe rogan
Well, it says...
No, no, no, Jamie.
jamie vernon
Oh, I'm sorry.
joe rogan
It says worth between...
$14,000 and $3.35 million for cars.
Right.
Yeah, so some lady's just backing up.
I wasn't looking.
tom papa
Sorry, it's just a car.
joe rogan
What's the big deal?
That one in the right-hand corner is a million-dollar car.
Below that, the upper right-hand, that one right there, that's a 918. Is that the one you drove?
tom papa
Yeah, it looks like that.
joe rogan
Okay.
Yeah, that's a 918. That's the electric.
Is that you, Tom Pompin?
tom papa
No.
Look, it looks like me.
joe rogan
That is a blue car.
That is an amazing car.
That's a 918 hybrid.
tom papa
That wasn't it.
joe rogan
Ridiculously fast car.
But that's not interesting to you, huh?
tom papa
Amazing.
joe rogan
That's just a Boxster.
tom papa
No, I get into it.
I just don't know.
You've got to spend time digesting that or growing up with it, and I didn't have that.
I like it.
I appreciate it.
I had a 944 poster in my room.
joe rogan
I remember those.
tom papa
Yeah.
joe rogan
Fun engine.
tom papa
Yeah, and those weren't the best Porsches, but that's what I kind of got excited about.
Yeah, it was fun.
It's a cool car.
joe rogan
A lot of people like that.
They're very well balanced.
tom papa
Oh, yeah.
joe rogan
A friend of mine drove those on a racetrack.
tom papa
Oh, yeah?
joe rogan
Yeah, I used to race those.
tom papa
Nice.
joe rogan
Yeah, because it's a very balanced car.
tom papa
Right.
He's so deep into it.
It's like his thing.
It kind of keeps him sane, I think.
That's where he puts his...
joe rogan
Him and Jay Leno, right?
tom papa
All the extra time stuff.
Yeah, it's kind of funny that they both are doing car things.
Leno's show's good.
Have you seen it?
joe rogan
I was on it.
tom papa
Oh, you were on it?
joe rogan
Yeah.
tom papa
What were you doing?
joe rogan
My 1965 Corvette.
tom papa
Oh, yeah?
joe rogan
I brought that on.
tom papa
Corvette!
joe rogan
Yeah.
I have a 65 Corvette that's what you call a resto mod.
So what they do is they take an old car, but they put modern suspension and brakes and a modern engine in it.
tom papa
Oh, nice.
joe rogan
So it's reliable.
It starts up every time.
It brakes really well.
tom papa
And the car guys think that that's not pure, so it's not as good and that kind of thing.
joe rogan
I just like what I like to drive.
It's like to drive an old car and to keep it old, it's to me like...
Okay, good luck with that.
You have a good time.
tom papa
They can fix the brakes.
joe rogan
Can they make it so it brakes better?
Yeah, definitely do that.
Can they make it so it handles better?
Yeah, they can.
Oh, why would I want to do that?
That's not how they do it.
What am I, in the Flintstone days?
How about no brakes?
Just give me a hole so I can stick my feet out the bottom.
tom papa
But they get snobby about that stuff.
joe rogan
They can fuck off.
They do get snobby.
There's a guy who lives up the street from me, and I had my car and I was washing it, and he pulled by with the same exact car, but his was totally stocked.
And he looked at mine, and immediately he could tell.
Like, he looked at the wheels, all these giant fat steamroller tires on it.
I mean, it's just modern.
And he looked at the wheels, and he's like, that's not stock.
I go, no.
No, it's not stock.
And you could see he's shaking his head.
He's like, what do you got in the hood?
I go, it's a supercharged LS1 with 500 horsepower, sun.
And I was like, what do you got?
That rickety-ass, fucking carburetor-driven, fucking dinosaur-mobile.
Get the fuck out of here with your stock bullshit.
Don't give me the stink eye, sir.
tom papa
Yeah, it's funny.
joe rogan
But he really did.
He was looking down at me.
tom papa
Yeah.
joe rogan
It's weird.
It's not stock, is it?
tom papa
You're not a man.
You're not a man.
joe rogan
No, it's fast and handles good.
tom papa
Yeah.
joe rogan
I want it to be pleasurable to drive.
tom papa
Yeah, of course.
joe rogan
Not just stare at you, fuck.
God damn it.
It doesn't even have the old frame.
My car has everything.
Everything's different.
Even the frame is different.
tom papa
Oh, really?
joe rogan
Yeah, it's got a modern frame because it's rigid.
Those old frames, they were pulled together with bubble gum and fucking coat hangers and shit.
unidentified
I know.
joe rogan
You drive a real 1965 car on the highway, you're like, we're gonna die!
unidentified
We're gonna fucking die!
tom papa
Even my Volkswagen just has a lap belt.
joe rogan
Oh, my Corvette has a lap belt.
tom papa
Oh, really?
unidentified
Yeah.
tom papa
Do you ever think about putting the regular belt in?
unidentified
Nope.
tom papa
No?
But that you'll keep...
joe rogan
I'll leave the lap belt.
It's also convertible.
tom papa
You look like in a carnival ride.
joe rogan
Yeah.
tom papa
I know.
joe rogan
If you're lucky, get thrown from the car.
tom papa
How amazing is Leno's garages, though?
joe rogan
It's insane.
Garages.
tom papa
Yeah.
joe rogan
He has 11 warehouse buildings.
tom papa
Airplane hangers.
joe rogan
Yeah.
tom papa
Filled with- Huge.
It's like a museum.
joe rogan
It's the craziest shit I've ever seen.
I didn't know.
Like, I knew he had a bunch of cars, but I didn't know.
And so when I went there and I was wandering around, I was like, holy shit.
tom papa
Yeah.
He took my father and I through it, let my father come after I did The Tonight Show, and he said, come on up, I'll give you a tour.
He was so nice.
I brought my father around, and he was just blown away.
I mean, you go through, like, miles and miles of cars, and he's like, you want to see the motorcycles?
unidentified
What?
tom papa
Then you go into a whole other place, and it's just filled with bikes.
joe rogan
And he drives everything in there.
He takes everything in there on the road.
tom papa
Everything's street legal.
joe rogan
Today I'm going to take the steamroller.
He takes a fucking steamroller with rubber around the tires.
There it is right there.
Jay Leno's fucking garage.
It's a crazy place, man.
tom papa
It's so crazy.
joe rogan
It's gorgeous.
tom papa
All the stuff on the walls, all the memorabilia is insane.
joe rogan
Yeah.
tom papa
It is gorgeous.
And he has a shop.
He has full people there, mechanics, working on the stuff.
joe rogan
Yeah.
tom papa
With 3D printers making the tools and the pieces.
joe rogan
Yeah, he can literally make spare parts.
He can machine things.
tom papa
Look at that.
All from comedy.
joe rogan
Hey, how you doing?
Look at my fucking jean shirt on.
tom papa
All from comedy.
joe rogan
It's a Canadian tuxedo.
tom papa
You had him on, right?
joe rogan
Yeah.
He's great.
He was great.
It's so interesting hearing him swear.
tom papa
Right.
joe rogan
Like, the people, if you've never heard the Jay Leno episode, go listen to it, because he tells some fucking insane stories about doing gigs for the mob.
tom papa
Oh, really?
joe rogan
Yeah.
About mob guys, like, yelling at priests and, like, how intense it was.
tom papa
Oh, really?
joe rogan
Yeah.
unidentified
Woo!
tom papa
He's been around.
He's done a lot of gigs.
He's done a lot of gigs.
joe rogan
He makes all of his money for all the cars all comes from comedy.
tom papa
I know.
joe rogan
His Tonight Show money all went into the bank.
tom papa
Is that insane?
joe rogan
It's crazy.
Like, what are you doing with all that money, bro?
tom papa
It's insane.
joe rogan
He was on Tonight Show for how many years?
tom papa
Yeah.
joe rogan
He refused to spend a dime of it.
Threw it all in the bank.
tom papa
No kids.
joe rogan
No kids.
tom papa
Just keep all that money.
joe rogan
Just shoot loads into his car.
tom papa
Isn't that amazing?
All from comedy.
Look at that.
joe rogan
Yeah, that front of that car is filled up with all his backed up cum.
tom papa
That's what it is.
What?
Say that again?
joe rogan
It's shooting loads into that engine.
tom papa
I'm sorry.
Did you say what?
joe rogan
It runs on jizz.
tom papa
What?
That car does?
joe rogan
That car does.
tom papa
No.
I mean, I'm not a car guy, but that's weird, right?
joe rogan
He takes that around with him.
Imagine that lady just backing up into that.
I'm sorry.
I was on my Twitter.
I'm arguing with people about Trump.
unidentified
I banged into your $80 million cap.
tom papa
I saw Jay once when I was in traffic on the cold water.
I just see this man, you know, and it's all backed up in both ways.
It's just tons of traffic.
I see this man, like, running down the center of the traffic.
Like, who's this nut?
And it was Jay going, he goes past the car, picks up his hubcap that came off, and goes running back the other way.
He's a nut.
joe rogan
He probably has to get that hubcap.
There's probably no other hubcap like it.
tom papa
Right, exactly.
Yeah, that was important.
joe rogan
A lot of the cars that he has, look at that thing.
tom papa
Oh my god.
joe rogan
Who's that guy with him?
unidentified
I don't know.
joe rogan
Some dude.
tom papa
Oh, that's Richie McRichrich.
joe rogan
Oh, Richie.
There's little skinny tires on that fucking thing.
tom papa
Oh my god.
joe rogan
God, it's so weird.
tom papa
It's a good show.
joe rogan
It's really fun.
Oh, it's a great show.
It's so much better for him than The Tonight Show in that he gets to be who he is.
tom papa
Yeah, completely.
100%.
joe rogan
He's so passionate about cars.
He fucking loves cars.
tom papa
And he knows everything about them.
joe rogan
Yeah, he loves it.
Oh, that's that 73 Mazda.
That guy was actually there while I was there.
He was the next one after we filmed my episode.
He's got this crazy 73 Mazda that's like fucking super souped up, really light.
tom papa
Did you see when he rolled?
joe rogan
I heard he rolled a car.
tom papa
See that video?
joe rogan
What did he roll?
tom papa
He rolled, I think it was like a truck.
joe rogan
Seinfeld rolled one of his cars too, right?
tom papa
Yeah, kind of.
Like a baby roll.
joe rogan
Seinfeld had a baby roll?
tom papa
Yeah, I think it was like off the off-ramp.
No, I don't think it was a big deal.
joe rogan
Really?
tom papa
Yeah.
joe rogan
I think he went to the hospital.
I think he almost died.
tom papa
No.
joe rogan
Oh, there he goes.
tom papa
Yeah, look at that.
Oh, it's just a car.
joe rogan
Oh, that's a Chevelle?
What is that?
A Super V? It's hard to tell what that is.
Oh, Jesus.
tom papa
Can you hear it?
His reaction was funny at the end.
Whoa.
No, it wasn't a stunt.
unidentified
This heart-stopping accident occurred while the host...
joe rogan
That old dude shouldn't be driving.
tom papa
Yeah, that's kind of the vibe that you got.
Jay was like, alright.
joe rogan
Look at that guy.
tom papa
I mean, literally, one, two...
joe rogan
What if that guy killed Jay Leno because he's too old to drive?
tom papa
I know.
He's too old to drive.
Yeah, geez.
joe rogan
That seemed like it was a while ago.
tom papa
It was.
It was several years ago, I think.
joe rogan
Wow.
tom papa
Is that crazy?
joe rogan
2016?
jamie vernon
That's when this video was put up, yeah.
joe rogan
Oh, wow.
Look, he gets out.
tom papa
Can you hear him?
unidentified
It looks like an old Barracuda.
joe rogan
It's tough to tell what that car is.
unidentified
God.
joe rogan
Is it an old Plymouth?
What is that?
Yeah, it is an old Barracuda.
Oh, wow.
That's the first model Barracuda, which is a totally different looking car than the second generation.
Wow.
That body style is different.
That was a weird looking car.
They're cool, though.
tom papa
Yeah.
It's good to have an obsessive hobby.
It's good in life.
joe rogan
Yeah.
unidentified
Right?
tom papa
Even if you work hard and do all this stuff, there's still extra time.
It's good to put your energy into something.
joe rogan
Yeah.
tom papa
You know?
joe rogan
For me, it's imperative.
tom papa
Yeah.
joe rogan
I've figured that out over the years of my life.
Like, for me, I need mind...
Hey, see the background.
unidentified
I'm not going away.
jamie vernon
The car only flipped once in the comments, but they just edited it to make it look worse.
I'm trying to...
I was replaying it.
tom papa
That's ridiculous.
joe rogan
Wait a minute.
Play that back.
jamie vernon
No, I rolled more than once.
joe rogan
Play it back for us.
jamie vernon
I'm sorry.
Some people said they saw the unedited footage.
joe rogan
Hold on.
Do it again.
Do it from the beginning.
Here it goes.
Guy's shifting.
Here's the flip.
Oh, he hit a wheelhouse.
tom papa
100 horsepower?
joe rogan
No, way more than 100 horsepower.
Let me see this guy.
tom papa
One.
Two.
joe rogan
No, that...
jamie vernon
They just added the same flip back.
unidentified
Yeah.
joe rogan
Yeah, I think that's true.
I think they're probably telling the truth.
I think that thing probably only flipped once.
Whatever.
tom papa
Whatever.
joe rogan
Once is rough.
It's hard to get something to flip a bunch of times.
Like, you gotta be really flying to flip a bunch of times.
Flip once by the time...
All the energy will be dissipated by the time you hit bang, bang, bang, you know?
tom papa
Be careful out there, kids.
joe rogan
Yeah, don't...
Especially with those old-ass cars.
Especially old-ass cars with old suspensions.
That's why I juice my shit up with modern stuff.
tom papa
Yeah, take that, neighbor.
joe rogan
Second handle, neighbor asshole.
You fucking...
Old dry fucking tires.
Those old cracky tires.
unidentified
Your tiny penis.
joe rogan
Those cracked out old tires.
tom papa
Yeah.
joe rogan
With shitty tread.
tom papa
You need a hobby.
You need stuff.
It's amazing like you could do all this work and like really hardcore your career and there's still extra time.
joe rogan
Well, not just that.
I think doing one thing only all the time is not good for the brain.
tom papa
Uh-huh.
joe rogan
I think it's good for the brain to be excited by a bunch of different things.
tom papa
Interesting.
joe rogan
I think it makes you a more unique person.
It makes you more interesting.
As a comic, I think it's very important.
tom papa
Yeah.
joe rogan
It's very important to have a more nuanced perspective.
tom papa
Right.
joe rogan
And to also have more information to draw from.
tom papa
Yeah.
joe rogan
That like you're experiencing more different parts of life and also different types of failure.
I think different types of failure is good for you.
tom papa
Absolutely.
joe rogan
Physical failure, mental failure, complication failure.
I think all that stuff is good for you.
tom papa
Pick something up that you're not good at.
joe rogan
Yes.
tom papa
It's amazing.
joe rogan
Yes.
tom papa
It's amazing how many times you will...
Feel like a beginner back at the same thing you've been practicing.
unidentified
Sure.
tom papa
Like if you start making changes, you're like, ah, I'm kind of back to the beginning of this again.
joe rogan
What do you do other than the baking?
tom papa
The baking is the biggest thing.
The baking is like, it's really like my first hobby.
I never really had something like that.
Yeah.
That's put all my time into.
It was always just stand up.
Wow.
And then the baking.
And now I'm writing more than ever before.
So I'm like writing, sitting down, writing concentrated for a long period.
joe rogan
Are you writing comedy or just writing writing?
tom papa
It depends.
I'm the head writer for Live From Here, the Prairie Home Companion thing.
joe rogan
Wait a minute.
Is that Garrison Keillor?
tom papa
Yeah.
joe rogan
So it kicks him out, right?
tom papa
It's the new thing.
Well, he quit.
He retired before he got in trouble.
He retired a couple of years before.
joe rogan
Oh, he did?
tom papa
Yeah.
But once he got in trouble, that's when the name changed.
joe rogan
And the getting in trouble thing was before he even retired.
Like it was an incident from before then.
tom papa
Yes, yes, yes.
Yeah, it was an old thing.
It was kind of a muddled thing.
Very weird one.
Yeah.
joe rogan
But then, you know, when I had said that on the podcast, that it was weird and that he just kind of hugged a chick and his hand went down her back, then someone sent me an article that there was more than one incident.
tom papa
Yeah.
joe rogan
And there was several of them and that, you know, he had been...
tom papa
And they didn't make them public.
unidentified
Yeah.
tom papa
And I don't even know what they were.
But I know they had to...
They did investigate it.
joe rogan
Right.
tom papa
But they had to end up changing the name of it.
So anyway, I spend a lot of time writing for that.
Then it went really from writing my book, and then I got that gig, so I continued writing at that pace, and now I'm continuing to write like that.
So the writing is kind of...
It's weird because from doing stand-up writing, this almost seems like something new.
It almost seems like another hobby.
You know what I mean?
joe rogan
Sure, yeah.
Another different way to exercise your mind.
tom papa
Yeah, it's different.
It's different.
Sitting there and writing stuff out and really parsing it.
But it does make me think, and I haven't been able to crack it, of why not put that effort of that intense writing style into the stand-up?
You don't do that?
unidentified
No.
tom papa
I'm looser with it.
I'll write it, and then I'll go perform it, and then I'll come back and edit it.
But Carlin did that at the end.
He would just write the whole thing and memorize it.
Like a book, and then go present it.
I haven't done that.
joe rogan
Do you do that?
No.
No.
What I do is...
I do two things.
One, I write premises in Word.
And then I have a program called Scrivener.
And what Scrivener does is it lets me take things into categories or into subjects.
So I have a title of a set, right?
I'll call it, like, my last special is called, the one that's coming out, it's called Strange Times.
So I wrote Strange Times at the top of it, and then I have all these different subjects in Strange Times.
tom papa
Right.
joe rogan
And then I can move them around.
I can shift them, and each time I click on one, it takes me to all the stuff that I've written about that subject.
And then I also can click on another little part of it, and it shows me a cork board.
And on the cork board, there's like these...
What do you call?
Virtual index cards.
And so I have the index cards that I can move around.
Each index card has like notes on different parts.
Like this is a very important part of the bit.
This is a note about a study that was done that shows that this is real.
All these different things.
And so I can move all those around.
But this way I can look at it in the little tiny side where each individual subject is all in this one long column.
And I can see like the set.
Like this is a whole set.
tom papa
Right.
joe rogan
But then, no matter what, it has to be really ironed out in front of an audience.
Right.
Because I can write as much as I want, and a lot of it is effective, writing alone, but it comes to life in front of an audience.
tom papa
And changes, yeah.
joe rogan
Yeah, changes.
tom papa
But how much will you write before you bring it out?
Will you write a...
A couple pages into it?
joe rogan
Depends.
Sometimes it's thousands of words for a couple minute bit.
tom papa
And you'll take that up before you've tried it?
You'll write a couple thousand words?
joe rogan
Yeah, yeah, yeah.
Sometimes.
And sometimes it's just a few lines.
And then I just run with a premise.
Sometimes I'll just try to...
Try to air a premise out and see where it goes.
This is one that I'm working on right now.
The setup of the premise gets a really big laugh and then I don't know where to go with it.
And then I'm fucking around with it and I'm trying to figure out where to go with it.
I know there's something there and I'm not going to let it go.
But every day I throw a little bit of water on it and I hope to see the sprouts.
tom papa
If you've got a great premise, there is a great joke there.
joe rogan
There's something there.
tom papa
Definitely.
joe rogan
But it's one of those ones where I know, okay, I can't let this go.
I know there's something there, but right now it ain't shit.
tom papa
Right.
It's going to take a while.
I could be the only one that believes in this.
joe rogan
Yeah.
tom papa
Yeah, I know.
It's amazing.
It's so funny.
I was writing something about a raccoon the other day.
I saw a raccoon with their hands.
And as I was writing about it, I was like, wait a minute.
And I looked through my notes.
It's like, I thought I had a really good raccoon bit about a year ago.
unidentified
Yeah.
joe rogan
So you had a raccoon on the brain?
tom papa
And the audience told me this wasn't very good, and I ended up quitting on it, and now I'm like, I'm back with my new raccoon bin.
joe rogan
Sometimes you just have to let it go and then walk around it, look at it from the back, and then walk around it, look at it from the side.
unidentified
I know.
joe rogan
And then maybe sometimes something happens, and you go, oh, my fucking raccoon bin!
And you go through your notes, oh, baby!
tom papa
You're back, baby!
joe rogan
You're back, baby!
unidentified
Tick, tick, tick, tick, tick, tick!
joe rogan
Come on!
unidentified
Woo!
Woo!
joe rogan
Tom Pop at 34 o'clock.
Time flies.
tom papa
Oh my god.
joe rogan
Isn't that crazy?
What the fuck, bro?
tom papa
I know.
When I was coming here, I was like, I don't know if I got three hours in me today.
joe rogan
That's the last thing you said last time we were here.
tom papa
Is it really?
Is it really?
joe rogan
Or one of them.
He said, what are we going to talk about?
I don't know.
We just started talking.
tom papa
It always flies.
joe rogan
Tom Pop, ladies and gentlemen.
tom papa
Yeah, baby.
joe rogan
Baked on the Food Channel starting...
tom papa
Monday.
joe rogan
Monday.
Whoa, are you excited?
tom papa
Monday, September 3rd.
And they'll be on every Monday.
joe rogan
Two episodes.
Are you doing a lot of press?
tom papa
What's that?
joe rogan
Are you doing a lot of press?
tom papa
A good amount of press, yeah.
I've done a bunch.
joe rogan
Mondays, 10 p.m., 9 central.
tom papa
Look at that.
joe rogan
And 10.30 p.m.
tom papa
What happened?
Comedy and bread.
joe rogan
What the fuck, bro?
tom papa
Comedy and bread, that's all you need.
joe rogan
Hey, fucking bread!
tom papa
Your audience made it happen.
unidentified
Woo!
tom papa
For real.
joe rogan
Well, thank you, brother.
Thanks for being here.
tom papa
Always great.
joe rogan
Good luck with your show.
I hope it runs forever.
Bread.
tom papa
Do you have any elk?
It's Labor Day.
joe rogan
Yes, I do.
I got a shitload.
I even bought freezer bags.
tom papa
Sweet!
joe rogan
Yes.
Bye, everybody.
See you next week, you fucks.
Love ya.
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