Aug. 21, 2018 - The Joe Rogan Experience
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Boom, boom, boom, boom, boom. | |
| Four, three, two, one. | ||
| Oh, and the sweet, sweet sound of amplified voices, and my man, Shooter Jennings. | ||
| Hey, man. | ||
| You look like you're supposed to wear sunglasses. | ||
| Some dudes wear sunglasses, and you're like, bitch, get those sunglasses off. | ||
| But you, you look like you're supposed to be wearing sunglasses. | ||
| There was a point in time when I moved here, I remember, well, for a while there were prescriptions, so I had an excuse for a long time, but I went back to contacts. | ||
| But there was a point in time when I remember turning to my friend, I was like 21, and I was like, I think I'm just going to keep him on all the time, and then it'll just be a thing. | ||
| And that way I can just, if I have to close my eyes, nobody will notice, or if I'm stoned, nobody will notice. | ||
| When people get super famous, like Jay-Z famous, they wear them inside everywhere, just so people don't catch a glimpse of their eyes and hand them a demo tape. | ||
| If you start out like a scrub wearing them, then it's weird if you take them off, you know? | ||
| Well, it's a different thing in the black community, too. | ||
| Like, a real cool black artist is just allowed. | ||
| They're just allowed. | ||
| They can just do it. | ||
| Right, right. | ||
| I mean, I'd be disappointed if, like, I saw Bob Dylan out somewhere and he wasn't wearing them. | ||
| Like, Kristofferson wears him all the time. | ||
| He has a good fade, too. | ||
| It's like black, brown, white, kind of. | ||
| Yeah, he fits right the fuck in. | ||
| Conor McGregor, he can wear them indoors. | ||
| Some dudes can wear them indoors. | ||
| If I wore them indoors, I'd be a douchebag. | ||
| Plus the kind I wear. | ||
| I wear, like, you know, fucking sport ones. | ||
| I have a couple pairs of those that look cool, like a cool-ass aviator type ones. | ||
| Yeah, these are Porsches. | ||
| My dad used to wear Porsches, and at one point I ran across their purple ones, and I was like, I bought like four pairs, and I keep breaking them, and it's my last one. | ||
| Those are very dope. | ||
| Those are Porsche design? | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| They make some dope shit. | ||
| They do. | ||
| I just used to think that they only made cars. | ||
| And then I found... | ||
| They make phones. | ||
| Did you know they make a phone? | ||
| Oh, yeah. | ||
| I saw it. | ||
| I've never... | ||
| Don't they make a... | ||
| Didn't they make a BlackBerry for a minute? | ||
| I think Porsche made a BlackBerry. | ||
| And I think they made another phone recently. | ||
| I would love to get one of those, but... | ||
| It's a weird little design shop they have. | ||
| It is. | ||
| They have a Huawei phone. | ||
| I'm saying it wrong, apparently. | ||
| People correct me. | ||
| Huawei. | ||
| What's that? | ||
| Huawei is a Chinese company that actually just got busted because of their newest advertisement. | ||
| It shows them taking selfies, but they aren't really taking selfies. | ||
| They use only a super high-end DSLR camera. | ||
| To take the photo, and they're passing it off as if these people are just holding it up, taking selfies. | ||
| It's on a fucking tripod, the whole deal. | ||
| Did you get a photo of that? | ||
| Look at that. | ||
| Look, look, look. | ||
| The guy's holding it up as if he's taking a selfie. | ||
| But meanwhile, there's some fucking... | ||
| Professional dude with a tripod. | ||
| But he's making it look like he took that picture. | ||
| Who busted them? | ||
| I think the woman in the photo busted them. | ||
| Because I think she took pictures or had someone take pictures of the photo shoot. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| She got a look on her face like that, too. | ||
| Yeah, she's like, bitch, come on. | ||
| Huawei. | ||
| But meanwhile, here's what's stupid about that. | ||
| They don't have to do that. | ||
| Those goddamn things take amazing selfies. | ||
| It's a great phone. | ||
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Yeah. | |
| Like the newest, latest smartphones, they take incredible selfies. | ||
| I know. | ||
| But people are never satisfied with the truth. | ||
| That's why people, gorgeous women, will put those fucking crazy cartoons, those selfie filters on, and they're beautiful, and then they'll turn themselves into a cartoon. | ||
| Like, you don't get it. | ||
| Like, you're supposed to have pores. | ||
| We don't mind pores. | ||
| I don't mind the wrinkles on your skin when you smile. | ||
| I don't mind, you know, the bubbles of saliva on your teeth, okay? | ||
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Man. | |
| People are getting in this weird state of mind where they think there's a, you know, they said there's an epidemic of girls, like Instamodels, that are actually getting surgery to try to look like they look in their selfies. | ||
| Oh my god. | ||
| You know, speaking of Instamodels, I just listened to David Spade's audiobook, which I thought was great. | ||
| I guess what Polaroid guy in a snapchat world or whatever there's a lot of chapters that deal with the instant I don't even realize I didn't even realize this is the thing like I'm so out of the loop with with you go to Instagram do you do you like pay attention to it you just post pictures occasionally Man, I'm not really good at paying attention to any of it. | ||
| Twitter, from day one, I kind of was in, and I'll go in and out, but it's hard for me to actually keep up and care about it. | ||
| Like, I hate posting pictures of myself, and my manager, Adam, who's here, he's always like, dude, if you're going to post something on Instagram, just make sure you're in it or something, because I'm always, like, taking pictures of other people. | ||
| You can't listen to that, dude. | ||
| Don't listen to your manager. | ||
| That's ridiculous. | ||
| I know. | ||
| You're not supposed to be in every picture you take. | ||
| That's crazy. | ||
| I know, but I'm... | ||
| I'm bad at it, and I'm very bad at caring about other people's pictures, too. | ||
| And it's like, my wife would be like, I just posted on Instagram, so I gotta go like it. | ||
| Oh, that's annoying. | ||
| Yeah, you gotta talk to her about that. | ||
| Nah, you know, her pictures are good. | ||
| I'm sure they're great, but god damn, do I have to double tap each and every one of them? | ||
| Can I just give you the nod? | ||
| Looks good. | ||
| I know. | ||
| Well, see, it's easy to throw that off, but see, my daughter is 10, now has an Instagram account, and if I'm not liking them, I feel horrible. | ||
| Oh, that's different. | ||
| My wife's already liking them, and I'm like, god damn it. | ||
| I think that's a lot of pressure for a kid, man. | ||
| Well, hers are all pictures of these LOL dolls that she's obsessed with anyway, and slime and things. | ||
| Yeah, slime is a new one, huh? | ||
| Yeah, it's crazy. | ||
| Who the fuck saw that coming? | ||
| By the way, fidget spinners out. | ||
| Yeah, slime in. | ||
| I mean, my son got so obsessed with fidget spinners, and my daughter, but really my son, to the point where they were spending some time in New York, and I'd be going up there, and we walked down the street, and every fucking vendor, every newsstand, every pretzel place had fidget spinners out. | ||
| And I'd have to buy it. | ||
| He'd be like, ooh, that one has a skull on it. | ||
| And I'd be like, okay, and it's like $10. | ||
| To spend just a break. | ||
| Probably cost like $0.15 to manufacture in Taiwan. | ||
| He was like an 18-year-old kid who came up with that, and he wanted to be an entrepreneur, and he made that. | ||
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Really? | |
| And now he's like a billionaire. | ||
| How did he figure that out? | ||
| I want to talk to that dude. | ||
| You should have him on the show. | ||
| Don't give out the secret, but what the fuck is next? | ||
| I didn't see slime coming either. | ||
| My daughters have fucking gallons of glue and detergent. | ||
| Just yesterday, my daughter and son were making slime with it. | ||
| I was saying the same thing. | ||
| We had ectoplasm slime and Nickelodeon slime when I was a kid. | ||
| But it was not like this. | ||
| All of a sudden, it's like, I can't believe it. | ||
| And you watch the commercials for glue. | ||
| They have glow-in-the-dark glue, and they're showing a kid making slime with the glue. | ||
| Yeah, they let you know. | ||
| Talk about an unexpected boost for Elmers. | ||
| Yeah, they must have jumped. | ||
| They must have jumped big. | ||
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And Tide. | |
| They came up. | ||
| Between Tide Pods and the slime, Tide's like fucking sitting pretty. | ||
| Was the Tide Pod real? | ||
| Were people really eating detergent? | ||
| Was that real? | ||
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I don't know. | |
| I guess. | ||
| That seems like it would be unbelievably bad for your body, to eat a detergent pod. | ||
| I mean, we used to huff, like, Scotchgard when we were kids, or potpourri. | ||
| I mean, maybe it's the same kind of thing. | ||
| I used to smell markers. | ||
| I used to love the smell of, like, a good Sharpie, like a fat one. | ||
| Did anyone ever do the thing in school for you where they grab you and they pull you up and then you almost pass out and then they let you go? | ||
| We used to do that in elementary school. | ||
| Oh yeah, what was that? | ||
| How'd that work? | ||
| I think I would get behind you and pick you up and then hold you. | ||
| Shake you or some shit? | ||
| Yeah, until you can't basically breathe. | ||
| You're almost suffocating and then let you go and then you're like, hi, hi. | ||
| Hi. | ||
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Hmm. | |
| Yeah. | ||
| I don't know. | ||
| The kids are always trying to... | ||
| Well, even monkeys, man. | ||
| I mean, animals try to change their state. | ||
| You know, they think it's just a natural thing. | ||
| The creatures try to change their state. | ||
| Change their state of consciousness. | ||
| Even little kids. | ||
| But I wonder about that slime stuff because... | ||
| I genuinely worry. | ||
| People, I don't think, have been dealing with large volumes of glue and detergent like that. | ||
| Borax, too. | ||
| That's another one. | ||
| Oh, yeah, borax. | ||
| Yeah, that's fucking toxic. | ||
| Your skin is an organ. | ||
| People don't realize that. | ||
| You don't think about that when you're spraying on all the different shit that people put on their bodies. | ||
| I think about that when I use sunscreen. | ||
| I'm like, what is this stuff? | ||
| You're blocking your pores with some goo. | ||
| Some good, but it's also your skin's absorbing it. | ||
| Like when you go in that isolation tank, that's one of the best ways to absorb magnesium because of the Epsom salts. | ||
| Like when you float around in the tank, the Epsom salts, you know, your body absorbs magnesium from it. | ||
| You're talking about like altered states? | ||
| Yeah, yeah, yeah. | ||
| Have you done that before? | ||
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No. | |
| I still haven't done DMT. We had that conversation. | ||
| That's right. | ||
| Dude, we haven't had a conversation. | ||
| How the fuck have we only done one other podcast together? | ||
| That's ridiculous. | ||
| Hey, man. | ||
| We live in the same town. | ||
| I know. | ||
| I know. | ||
| We had a great dinner with Sturgill that time. | ||
| That was fun, man. | ||
| My mom. | ||
| Yeah, that was really fun. | ||
| I got the great Mrs. Rogan out. | ||
| Yeah, that's right. | ||
| It was fun. | ||
| We had a good time. | ||
| Yeah, Dantana's. | ||
| Dude, that place is the shit. | ||
| That place is like you go back in time. | ||
| That is the spot where I feel like I've made it in this town that they know me by name there and I can always get a spot at the bar. | ||
| I'm close. | ||
| They know me by name, but I don't always have a spot at the bar. | ||
| Yeah, I don't think anybody always gets a spot at the bar. | ||
| James Woods does, if he wants. | ||
| Oh, does he? | ||
| I bet. | ||
| He's got a giant dick, I hear. | ||
| Sweet, I bet. | ||
| Seems like it. | ||
| I finally met him there. | ||
| I had the balls to walk up to one of the recent times, and I was like, hey, man. | ||
| Yeah, you just got to walk up with a Hillary Clinton joke. | ||
| Right, little video drone. | ||
| He's a staunch Republican now. | ||
| Yeah, but he's funny. | ||
| I mean, regardless of what side you're on, he is just always on fire with that. | ||
| And he likes doing it just to aggravate people. | ||
| Yeah, well, it seems like he's done with the whole acting thing. | ||
| Yeah, he said he invested in Apple in the 80s and he's fine with being blacklisted. | ||
| Really? | ||
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Yeah. | |
| That's what he said. | ||
| He made a tweet or something like that. | ||
| Oh, the investment in Apple. | ||
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Hmm. | |
| Yeah. | ||
| Interesting. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| How weird is that? | ||
| You could just say, I think this company's going to kick some ass. | ||
| Let me buy a piece. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| I think you'll get a piece of a company. | ||
| And then they become the Apple. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| Apple apparently has more than a trillion dollars now. | ||
| I know. | ||
| Isn't that insane? | ||
| That's kind of dangerous. | ||
| Anybody to have that kind of influence, though, with these phones and shit, it's like, that's pretty dangerous. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| I kind of trust them with data, though. | ||
| I feel like- Even with their China deal? | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| Well, Google has a weird China deal, too. | ||
| Well, they also have secret servers in North Korea and shit, too. | ||
| Google does? | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| Well, I mean, they just have servers set up in all these other countries. | ||
| All of that is dangerous. | ||
| I don't trust any of them. | ||
| What are they doing in North Korea? | ||
| I don't know. | ||
| It's all dick pics. | ||
| Yeah, I mean... | ||
| Servers full of dick pics. | ||
| I think there's all kinds of networks that have been going on for years that are involved in shit. | ||
| I tell my friends, or my drummer specifically I talk to, but I was like, man, I think... | ||
| I'm not a rich guy. | ||
| But I think that there's a point of money that I would like to know the threshold in which you get past that, and then the Saudis, and then all these people start coming and wanting a part of you, and then you start selling your soul. | ||
| Whatever that is, if it's five million bucks, I'm just going to stay right there. | ||
| I don't want to get richer than that. | ||
| And once you have influence, I think it becomes a scary world. | ||
| I think there's a lot of concern. | ||
| Like, people wonder whether or not someone's been... | ||
| Like, I've been accused of being approached like that I'm a CIA asset or that I... Here's a big one. | ||
| I think that stuff really doesn't. | ||
| The flat earth. | ||
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Oh. | |
| The flat earth people, they think that I've been approached to talk about the earth being round, to be a round earth shill. | ||
| Jamie started selling t-shirts. | ||
| The round earth shill? | ||
| Jamie's got round earth shill t-shirts that he sells at youngjamie.com. | ||
| I mean, around Earth shill is like saying that the reptilian people went to you to be a human shill. | ||
| Oh, someone told me that. | ||
| Someone told me that they believe that there's reptilians underneath the Earth and that they have carved tunnels. | ||
| Underneath the Earth? | ||
| They've carved tunnels through the ground with laser beams and they have like a network of tunnels they use. | ||
| They travel amongst us waiting for their time to expose themselves. | ||
| People believe, like, you see someone, like, say if you live in an apartment building, and you drive by a dude's house, he's got a fat house, you go, wow, that guy's got a fat house, I wonder who he knows. | ||
| I wonder if he's in with the mob, or maybe he's deep with the Democrats, or maybe he's the bankers, or who does he know? | ||
| Because you always think of someone being at a level where they sit you in a room, and they give you some communications that you're not supposed to expose to the rest of the world. | ||
| Right. | ||
| Well, I mean, there is, again, what I was saying about the threshold of money, there is a point, and you know it's there. | ||
| I mean, Google started with a couple dudes who were like, we got this idea. | ||
| Before that, there was a thing called Webcrawler. | ||
| That was kind of the first experience of me, of a search engine that I'd ever experienced. | ||
| Well, there was Netscape Navigator. | ||
| Wasn't one of those? | ||
| Netscape Navigator was one of the first browsers. | ||
| Yeah, there was a Mosaic and Netscape Navigator. | ||
| But there was a way to search. | ||
| That was Webcrawler. | ||
| Yahoo, Lycos. | ||
| Well, Yahoo came later. | ||
| Lycos, Yahoo came later. | ||
| But there was Webcrawler, then Yahoo, and Lycos, and then Google. | ||
| Remember Ask Jeeves? | ||
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Google took over. | |
| Yeah, I couldn't believe Ask Jeeves is a real thing. | ||
| Ask.com is still there. | ||
| I think that's still there. | ||
| Yeah, it's still there. | ||
| But you've got to look. | ||
| Couple dudes in an office. | ||
| Hey, we got a web search. | ||
| And then all of a sudden, they've got... | ||
| I mean, Amazon has CIA contracts. | ||
| That's known because they use their servers to do things. | ||
| You got to look at some point... | ||
| Well, Amazon has like super, super secure servers. | ||
| But they've still been hacked. | ||
| They're as secure as anyone else is. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| They just have... | ||
| Once you make that... | ||
| I think it's the... | ||
| Maybe it's... | ||
| 500 million? | ||
| There's got to be a mark. | ||
| Yeah, there's a number. | ||
| In which people start approaching you and saying, hey man, you've got too much influence. | ||
| Would you like to join our group and we'll support you and you'll make a billion. | ||
| Ooh, yeah. | ||
| Take it to the next level. | ||
| I was in Italy. | ||
| I just got back. | ||
| And we took a boat from... | ||
| From the Amalfi Coast. | ||
| We took a boat from Amalfi to Capri, which is an island. | ||
| It's gorgeous, man. | ||
| But when you're there, you see the crazy yachts. | ||
| Like Steve Jobs has a yacht that he had built before he died. | ||
| And now his family owns it, I guess. | ||
| Leo DiCaprio and Bella Hadid and people like that. | ||
| His yacht looks like an Apple store. | ||
| It's the craziest thing. | ||
| I mean, we drove right by it. | ||
| Yachts are weird, too, because they're worth, like, a hundred million bucks, but you could basically, like, drive up and smack it. | ||
| Like, no one could stop it. | ||
| You know, it's weird. | ||
| I mean, that's how pirates work, right? | ||
| They could just hop on top. | ||
| They'd throw a grappling hook up, and they'd climb on top of your yacht. | ||
| But when we're driving by, he's got... | ||
| He's gonna smack it. | ||
| He's got a... | ||
| There it is. | ||
| That's it. | ||
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Wow! | |
| Dude, it's a floating Apple store. | ||
| I don't want that. | ||
| I don't want to have to deal with that and the maintenance and everything. | ||
| I'm fine. | ||
| I'd rather just first class it and go on a trip and maybe rent that yacht if I had the money to do it. | ||
| Even renting that yacht would be like half a million dollars a week. | ||
| Ah, fuck that. | ||
| I'll just get a boat and go up to it and ride on it. | ||
| Yeah, see, the difference between the experience in a boat that big and an experience in a boat that's like a fraction of that size is not that different. | ||
| Like, that's pretty fucking awesome. | ||
| But ultimately, there you get a good impression of what it's like. | ||
| It doesn't really do it justice in an image because it's so modern. | ||
| Like, when you get near it, it's so strange looking. | ||
| Yeah, I mean, again, it'd be awesome to party on that for like a week, but then the rest of it would suck. | ||
| Look at that boat that just pulled right up. | ||
| Hey, man! | ||
| Yo, Steve, my fucking iPad's broke! | ||
| Dude, my fucking iPad just broke! | ||
| I mean, I don't know, man. | ||
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Wake up, Steve! | |
| Did he ever ride it? | ||
| No, he shit the bed before he rode it. | ||
| You know what's really fascinating? | ||
| I read something about he died of pancreatic cancer. | ||
| And one of the things he did was he drank fruit juice every day. | ||
| And we used to think that fruit juice is really good for you, right? | ||
| You're drinking fruit. | ||
| Now they say, no, no, no. | ||
| Fruit is really good for you. | ||
| But drinking fruit juice is kind of an unnatural state. | ||
| There's no fiber in that. | ||
| So you're just drinking straight sugar. | ||
| And now they say that drinking like a glass of fresh squeezed orange juice has the same sugar as drinking a can of soda. | ||
| So your body doesn't differentiate much. | ||
| I mean, the chemicals in soda, though. | ||
| Right. | ||
| Chemicals are not good. | ||
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Right. | |
| Some chemicals. | ||
| But some of them, they're innocuous. | ||
| I was reading something about Diet Coke. | ||
| Someone was saying, Diet Coke will give you brain cancer. | ||
| Now they're saying it prevents cancer. | ||
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What? | |
| There was an article I read recently that was saying that they thought that diet colas actually helped. | ||
| They flipped their script on that. | ||
| Did they have a little fast talk at the end of it? | ||
| Sponsored by a diet coke company. | ||
| This stuff is sponsored by a diet coke. | ||
| Those fucking... | ||
| First of all, that fast talk shit should be illegal. | ||
| I don't know why that's not illegal. | ||
| Remember they used to do that at the end of those goddamn commercials? | ||
| They'd hire somebody who talks like a carnival barker. | ||
| Just do the whole commercial like that. | ||
| That'd be awesome, man. | ||
| Yeah, make it all ineffective. | ||
| Here, what is that? | ||
| Could Diet Coke help curb colon cancer's return? | ||
| What? | ||
| Why Diet Coke? | ||
| Who fucking... | ||
| See, new study shows that colon cancer... | ||
| Here's the problem, man. | ||
| Fucking studies, dude. | ||
| Studies are a problem. | ||
| Because you can get... | ||
| Like, there was a study posted... | ||
| Recently it was a Questionnaire that showed that people who eat higher carb diets live longer But it's it's basically a questionnaire that over 20 something years of like what you eat And then the people who died like there was all sorts of problems with it like they didn't exercise as much They were fatter than the people who ate more carbs and also you're asking people to remember what they ate Which is like very very ineffective and then the same comp the same place put out a study Really | ||
| recently that showed the exact opposite effect. | ||
| And so it's like, well, what the fuck? | ||
| If I'm just a regular guy who barely has time to read the paper, and I read a study every now and then, it's basically what you catch. | ||
| You know, you can catch some. | ||
| Second analysis found that about half of the benefit appeared to be due to people switching from regular to diet sodas. | ||
| Oh, so the colon cancer was really just, you stop drinking Coke. | ||
| Coke was giving you colon cancer, so now Diet Coke's like, Diet Coke prevents colon cancer! | ||
| But it's really, no, Coke gives you fucking colon cancer. | ||
| Right. | ||
| It's so hard to know. | ||
| It's so hard to know, man. | ||
| I try to keep up. | ||
| I cannot. | ||
| I try. | ||
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I know. | |
| That's the problem with the internet and everything. | ||
| Back in the day when we just didn't know shit, it seems like things moved smoother. | ||
| Yeah, but you remember people thought all kinds of goofy shit. | ||
| They thought most of your diet should be bread. | ||
| Remember that food pyramid? | ||
| Marilyn Manson took his rib out just so he could suck his own dick. | ||
| No, but that was a rumor back in the day. | ||
| Did he? | ||
| No. | ||
| I met him. | ||
| He might actually do that. | ||
| Yeah, that was one. | ||
| Here's the granddaddy of all rumors. | ||
| Richard Gere and that gerbil up his ass. | ||
| And the gerbil up his ass. | ||
| Everybody knew that. | ||
| How is that possible? | ||
| The gerbil up your ass? | ||
| Oh, it's possible. | ||
| How? | ||
| My buddy Steve did his residency in Miami. | ||
| He's an ophthalmologist. | ||
| And he told me that they pulled all kinds of things out of dudes' butts. | ||
| You know those kind of thick light bulbs that look like a tree, like a Christmas tree? | ||
| Right. | ||
| Some dude shoved one of those up his asshole and it broke. | ||
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Oh. | |
| Did you watch Who is America yesterday? | ||
| No, I haven't seen a new one. | ||
| I love that show, by the way. | ||
| There was a lot of talk about it, and I think it was great what he did. | ||
| I mean, all he did was set up people to show the ugly in people, if they had it. | ||
| But I did not see that episode. | ||
| He's a genius, man. | ||
| Man, a real quick story. | ||
| There's a band called Hellbound Glory that I've loved for years, and the lead singer, Leroy Virgil. | ||
| They live in Reno. | ||
| And so he took me to Reno on the—I'd been to Reno before, but he took me on the Hellbound Glory tour of Reno, which was him going to different bars and shit. | ||
| And he took me to this guy's house, and it was a friend of his lived down the street, and it was like their garage was open and a bunch of people hanging out playing vinyls. | ||
| And this dude and drinking, you know. | ||
| And at some point, this guy was like, hey, I gotta show you something. | ||
| And he reached into his ceiling light. | ||
| He had like one of these, but not with the clouds on it. | ||
| It was just a regular light you pull out. | ||
| And up in there, he had an x-ray that he pulled out. | ||
| And it was... | ||
| An x-ray of a woman's vagina with a flying V guitar neck, the headstock, in it. | ||
| It was an x-ray of that. | ||
| So it got stuck? | ||
| I mean, I don't know how. | ||
| I mean, with the fucking tuning pegs and everything, but it was a... | ||
| Yeah. | ||
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So, you know, what can you believe these days? | |
| How about coming out? | ||
| Yeah, I mean, how could it going in? | ||
| But a woman's vagina is a remarkably flexible thing. | ||
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Oh, God. | |
| They make babies. | ||
| Babies come out of their bodies. | ||
| Yeah, but I mean, that's a whole hormonal thing. | ||
| Their body sets up for nine months to let happen. | ||
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I mean, just sticking a guitar neck in there. | |
| Maybe she really, really, really loves hair metal. | ||
| Yeah! | ||
| Maybe she's just a giant fan of Slayer. | ||
| Just wants that guitar in her body. | ||
| Woo! | ||
| But my friend Steve said they pulled all kinds of things out of people's bodies. | ||
| And he said he was in Miami. | ||
| And he said that it was during the cocaine days. | ||
| During the cocaine days, like they ended. | ||
| Oh yeah, that's over, bro. | ||
| That's like so 1980. But he was there during the 80s. | ||
| 70s and the 80s. | ||
| When I met him... | ||
| Okay, I was in high school when I met him, so I think I was 15 or 16. Where'd you go to high school? | ||
| Newton South High in Newton, Massachusetts, a suburb of Boston. | ||
| How'd you meet him? | ||
| Taekwondo. | ||
| He was doing his residency for ophthalmology, and I was a young high school kid who was competing. | ||
| I was over there every day. | ||
| So if you came there, you saw me. | ||
| So he was doing his residency in Boston. | ||
| He was finishing up in Boston, but he had done some of his work before that in Miami, so this was... | ||
| I graduated in 85, so he was probably in Miami like 80, 81, somewhere around then. | ||
| He just got back. | ||
| He showed me all kinds of pictures, dude. | ||
| Wow. | ||
| This was back before the internet. | ||
| I got to see brains, people's brains hanging out. | ||
| He showed me some photos of just bullet holes. | ||
| Was he in there with a Polaroid or something taking pictures? | ||
| That's a good question. | ||
| I don't know what he used. | ||
| I don't remember. | ||
| Dubious there. | ||
| Well, people were dead. | ||
| You know, the brains, they were dead. | ||
| I didn't get to see, like, the light bulb up the asshole. | ||
| He didn't have... | ||
| Hey, man, stay still while you're screaming. | ||
| Yeah, yeah, yeah. | ||
| Distract him. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| But he legitimately did have some photos of some atrocious things. | ||
| But he said it was just to go from being a medical school student to doing your residency in Miami and just seeing just crazy amounts of violence. | ||
| He said it was just insane. | ||
| Like, have you seen Cocaine Cowboys? | ||
| I have not. | ||
| I've heard about it. | ||
| Billy Corbin, who's been on the podcast before, made two of the most amazing documentaries ever. | ||
| That's about the Blow era of cocaine. | ||
| I mean, the movie Blow and all that. | ||
| George, what's his name? | ||
| George Hung or whatever. | ||
| Well, no, it was about Griselda, Griselda Blanco, who is this badass bitch from Colombia? | ||
| Was she from Colombia? | ||
| Bogota, yes. | ||
| Oh, that was the Miami shit, wasn't it? | ||
| That's right. | ||
| I think I saw part of that documentary, but I always wanted to watch it. | ||
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Oh. | |
| Oh, it's so good. | ||
| He's just got two of them. | ||
| So if you do it, you gotta fucking get the double dosing. | ||
| What's the other one? | ||
| Cocaine Cowboys 2. Why fuck around with a crazy, hard-to-remember sequel name? | ||
| But Cocaine Cowboys 1 and 2, oh my god. | ||
| There was one year where everyone who graduated from the police academy either was murdered or went to jail. | ||
| Every single graduate was either killed because they had a part of the cocaine business or they went to jail for being corrupt. | ||
| Wow. | ||
| All of them. | ||
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Wow. | |
| I don't know if this is true. | ||
| Please Google this. | ||
| There were, at least at the time, more banks per capita in Miami than anywhere else in the country because it was all used to launder cocaine money. | ||
|
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Wow. | |
| Yeah, no bullshit, man. | ||
| See, again, man, you get that level of money and you start getting banks and stuff. | ||
| I'm just saying. | ||
| Those two documentaries, I can't say enough good things about them. | ||
| They're so good. | ||
| Sounds exhausting. | ||
| Not the documentaries, but the actual business of doing it. | ||
| Well, that's why you need coke. | ||
| You do coke while you're in the bed. | ||
| But you're not supposed to get high on your own supply, man. | ||
| That's the only way to keep up with the young kids. | ||
| Ask Rick Ross. | ||
| Which one? | ||
| The real one or the fake one? | ||
| The real one. | ||
| No, no, no. | ||
| The rapper one. | ||
| Freeway Ricky. | ||
| No, no, no. | ||
| Yeah, the real Rick Ross I know is the Freeway Ricky. | ||
| Yeah, that's the one you want to ask. | ||
| You don't want to ask the rapper. | ||
| The rapper was a prison guard. | ||
| Do you know that? | ||
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Really? | |
| No. | ||
| Yes. | ||
| I love him, though. | ||
| Freeway Ricky, who's been on the show a couple times, sued to get his name back and to keep his dude from using his name because he was actually Rick Ross. | ||
| That's his actual fucking name. | ||
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I heard this story. | |
| I didn't know he was on your show. | ||
| Dude, he's been on twice. | ||
| Rick Ross, Freeway Ricky, was the guy who was selling all the cocaine that paid for the Contras when the Contras are fighting the Sandinistas and Nicaragua and that whole Oliver North shit. | ||
| Of course. | ||
| Freeway Ricky was the one who was selling all the coke to these people. | ||
| He didn't know how he was getting these coke. | ||
| He didn't know he was actually getting it from people that were deep, deep state. | ||
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Deep state, motherfucker! | |
| Dude, I'm telling you! | ||
| I'm telling you too, man! | ||
| Find the threshold. | ||
| And he learned how to read in jail. | ||
| It's a great story. | ||
| Ricky learned how to read in jail and then learned how to become a lawyer in jail and then realized they tried him for... | ||
| They hit him with three strikes, but they hit him with two charges at the same time, which is not how three strikes work. | ||
| So he went to jail for life and then got released... | ||
| For time served, because they tried him incorrectly. | ||
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Oh, right. | |
| Because one of his strikes was in... | ||
| Exactly. | ||
| One of his strikes, they were at the same time. | ||
| You can't do that. | ||
| It has to be like, you go to jail, you come out, you go to jail again, you come out, you go to jail again, they go, all right, you're a criminal. | ||
| And then they keep you in jail. | ||
| That was the idea. | ||
| Which is fucked up, man. | ||
| Dude, what's it like sitting across the table from him? | ||
| He's a very nice guy. | ||
| Very smart guy. | ||
| He was a tennis player, man. | ||
| Played tennis in Compton. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| Couldn't fucking read, man. | ||
| Couldn't read. | ||
| Played tennis in Compton and was just seeing all these people around him that were making crazy amounts of money. | ||
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Wow. | |
| And is a real... | ||
| Calm nice guy and that's one of the reasons why he did so well said he wasn't this crazy Buck wild dude driving rolls-royces throwing money out the window. | ||
| He wasn't that guy He was like the cool calm collected John wick sort of character that kept his shit together You know and everybody respected him because of that He just was like I mean the same reason why he learned how to be a lawyer while he's in prison and He's a systematic, intelligent dude who just had a shit education. | ||
| Just grew up in a very bad, scary, dangerous environment and didn't even learn to read until he got to jail. | ||
| And there's a link in the history of the Iran contract. | ||
| Dude! | ||
| The link. | ||
| The cocaine link. | ||
| He was the guy that figured out how to sell all this shit. | ||
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Wow. | |
| He was selling coke and didn't even know who he was selling it for. | ||
| Didn't know that the people he was selling it for, like the contacts that he had were directly supplied by the Oliver North people. | ||
| George Bush and yeah. | ||
| Wow. | ||
| Interesting, man. | ||
| Yeah, man. | ||
| That's wild. | ||
| I used to have an Oliver North for President t-shirt. | ||
| I wore it just to piss people off. | ||
| I didn't even know what it meant. | ||
| I was like 17 or some shit. | ||
| Oh, man, that's funny, dude. | ||
| Yeah, man. | ||
| The whole thing's crazy that this Rick Ross guy, the rapper, was actually a prison guard. | ||
| There's a photo of him with his fucking prison guard uniform on. | ||
| Well, I mean, I like him a lot. | ||
| Rick Ross, the rapper? | ||
| Yeah, I do. | ||
| I like that record with Devil Is A Lie on it. | ||
| What's that big song? | ||
| I don't know the big single. | ||
| I don't know. | ||
| There's not one big one that I've sang before. | ||
| What's the record with Devil Is A Lie on it? | ||
| That was a record that I loved. | ||
| What's his big hit? | ||
| Me and Manson hang out a lot, and we listen to Rick Ross all the time. | ||
| Really? | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| You guys get together, do coke, listen to Rick Ross? | ||
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I mean, you know, if the night's right. | |
| No, but like, yeah, like, I like the Rick Ross guy. | ||
| Manson was going to come in, but he wouldn't do it on camera. | ||
| It was weird. | ||
| Like, he wouldn't do it after... | ||
| He wanted to do it... | ||
| I bet he'll do it. | ||
| ...at a certain time of night. | ||
| But here's the thing, man. | ||
| Some of that shit is publicists. | ||
| Because I'll tell you, the same thing happened with Liz Phair, who I'm a giant fan of. | ||
| 100% publicists. | ||
| I've been a fan of Liz Phair forever. | ||
| Me too. | ||
| And Exile and Guyville was a fucking fantastic record. | ||
| I fucking love Rich. | ||
| I bought that record and Evil Empire at the same time at the record store in Nashville, Tennessee. | ||
| The Rage Against the Machine and Exile and Guyville. | ||
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Oh, wow. | |
| Totally. | ||
| My wife, also Misty, who we went here with, who was listening, she loved Liz Pharah too at the time. | ||
| She came and we got high together. | ||
| She's like, you can get high here? | ||
| I'm like, yeah, I don't have a boss. | ||
| Alex Jones got high as fuck on here. | ||
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High as fuck. | |
| That was fucking awesome. | ||
| He's trying to come back on and I just don't know if I could do it. | ||
| Oh, come on. | ||
| Let him come on. | ||
| They're fucking shutting him down. | ||
| They are shutting him down, but the problem is... | ||
| He's still on trial. | ||
| This whole trial that's going on with Sandy Hook. | ||
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I know. | |
| Like, all that shit has to be resolved first. | ||
| But it doesn't make sense. | ||
| Like, Bill Maher, respect to Bill Maher. | ||
| I love respect to him for saying he gets to speak, too. | ||
| Yeah, he was on his show, and people were clapping and cheering that he was pulled off of these networks and pulled off of everything. | ||
| He's like, look, this guy said crazy lies about me. | ||
| This is what Bill Maher said. | ||
| He said, the guy said crazy lies about me. | ||
| He goes, but he still gets to talk. | ||
| Like, this is what America's about. | ||
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Right. | |
| Free speech means all speech. | ||
| But see, here's what I don't understand. | ||
| Alex had me on many times, and he supported my record Black Ribbons when it came out. | ||
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Did he really? | |
| Yeah, he did. | ||
| You've been on the Alex Jones show many times? | ||
| I've been on it three times. | ||
| Were you ever sober? | ||
| Yeah, every time. | ||
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Really? | |
| You've never been on a show sober? | ||
| It was never a situation... | ||
| Well, the first time I was... | ||
| We had the Black Ribbons record that I did that has Stephen King on it and stuff. | ||
| So when that record came out, nobody would support the record. | ||
| So Alex Jones... | ||
| Stephen King's on your record? | ||
| Yeah, an older record from way back. | ||
| What did he do? | ||
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A voiceover show? | |
| He plays a DJ, a radio talk show host that comes in and out of the record. | ||
| That's Stephen King? | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| That's Stephen King. | ||
| So when I did that record, Alex Jones was the only person that would support the record. | ||
| He debuted the whole record on his show and then it was on for two hours by phone. | ||
| And then I went in and was on his show in person about just the music business. | ||
| That's all we were talking about and kind of how things were. | ||
| And then later I was on for Bitcoin discussion kind of by Skype or something. | ||
| But I will say this in his defense in all of this. | ||
| I just think that like, dude, that guy has been saying things, conspiracy theories about all kinds of things. | ||
| What do you want to call him that or not? | ||
| But like forever. | ||
| And like now the situation is like so volatile that like they're going to, you know, the All right, so, like, they definitely caught fucking Anderson Cooper having the green screen. | ||
| It's probably because they had another person there talking to the mom. | ||
| Wait, what happened? | ||
| There's a video of Anderson Cooper interviewing one of the moms from Sandy Hook. | ||
| And he leans a little too far forward and his nose disappears. | ||
| And it's probably because they had a stand-in reporter talking to the mom. | ||
| What? | ||
| And Anderson Cooper was then put in via whatever green screen. | ||
| I need to see this. | ||
| It is there. | ||
| I know this is where we're propelling. | ||
| But my point is, Sandy Hook, I remember where I was when I heard about Sandy Hook. | ||
| And it was horrific. | ||
| And I don't believe for a second that it's all fake or anything like that. | ||
| But Alex's thing has always been that. | ||
| I remember watching him go to Bohemian Grove. | ||
| And when we did the fucking record, this is back when nobody was paying attention to him, just a certain small group. | ||
| But I remember we did the Black Ribbons record and we took a clip of the laughing. | ||
| He snuck into Bohemian Grove and filmed the ceremony. | ||
| And there's like a scene where they... | ||
| Not a scene. | ||
| I guess scene in his film. | ||
| But there's a part of that where they're... | ||
| Doing the ceremony and they have this like, it's like Disneyland when you go watch. | ||
| Moloch the owl god. | ||
| Yeah, but it's like, it's done in a way where it's like Disneyland when you watch like the fairies fly around the castle. | ||
| Like there was a whole thing where there was like a laugh that happens at the end of the Moloch thing or whatever. | ||
| The big owl and the funeral party. | ||
| The guys dressed like druids. | ||
| Right, so I used a part of that, but I remember watching that documentary, and his deal has always been so over the top, where you go, he's like, where are the... | ||
| He'd go to the local people near Bohemian Grove, he's like, we're looking for where the Satanists go to go do that thing. | ||
| And it's obviously, at this point, it's not like people who are knowingly Satanists, it's like really old, fat, rich guys that go there, and there's probably hookers and all kinds of shit, because that's what happens at big... | ||
| Rich things. | ||
| Especially in the 90s. | ||
| You can get away with it. | ||
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Right. | |
| And so now with all this and they're crucifying him, especially the Megyn Kelly thing, and I just feel bad for him. | ||
| What do you mean especially the Megyn Kelly thing? | ||
| Because that was clearly a hit piece with Alex because she buddied up to him and then focused that piece on the Sandy Hook thing. | ||
| They had their talk. | ||
| In her defense, how could she not? | ||
| Of course. | ||
| She's got it. | ||
| If you're going to interview Alex Jones. | ||
| If I was going to come... | ||
| But if I came here with the intention of just talking to you, and then all of a sudden you were like, hey, on this day, on this thing, when you did this thing, you focused on this one thing. | ||
| I would be like, oh, man, like... | ||
| This is a hit piece. | ||
| Yeah, but you're a musician, and this is what he does. | ||
| I know. | ||
| Alex is my friend. | ||
| He's been my friend since 1999. I get more shit from being friends with Alex Jones than anything else in my life. | ||
| Because Alex Jones... | ||
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You know what? | |
| I'm just saying. | ||
| I'm sure I'll get hit for this, but the point is... | ||
| Check your Twitter. | ||
| I'm ready for it. | ||
| You know what? | ||
| I don't have time to check it. | ||
| Maybe next year. | ||
| But like... | ||
| But the reality is, I just think that, and I'm not even here from the side of the political point of view. | ||
| Is this it? | ||
| Let's watch this video. | ||
| This is the video. | ||
| It says, HD quality, Anderson Cooper's disappearing nose, Greenstein clip, debunked. | ||
| Do you see that? | ||
| Hold on. | ||
| Do you see what it says? | ||
| It says debunked. | ||
| Yeah, this explains what happens. | ||
| I think they had another person there. | ||
| Hold on, let him talk. | ||
| There's a bad quality video right here. | ||
| It'll play about three seconds in. | ||
| There's a weird part on his nose that happens, but... | ||
| To say it's a green screen, I would disagree. | ||
| Well, the same people that are looking for conspiracies and everything, they used this to say that the space station didn't exist. | ||
| Right, but... | ||
| Hold on. | ||
| It's like right around right there. | ||
| Hold on. | ||
| And you can't even really see it. | ||
| Something really happens to his nose super quick that looks like it was just like a digital glitch. | ||
| That's it? | ||
| No, that's not it. | ||
| That's not the piece. | ||
| I couldn't find it anywhere else. | ||
| Have you seen the other piece? | ||
| Yeah, I mean, he leans forward his nose. | ||
| Look, here's what I think. | ||
| I think that they had a stand-in because he couldn't be there. | ||
| But hold on. | ||
| You might be wrong, right? | ||
| I could be wrong. | ||
| We're talking about several years ago. | ||
| You might have a fucked up memory of this. | ||
| Let's try to find the video. | ||
| Well, they said he was there all week shooting from the exact same location. | ||
| Okay. | ||
| Maybe he was. | ||
| Maybe I'm wrong. | ||
| They got you. | ||
| They got to you, Shooter Jennings. | ||
| They didn't get to me. | ||
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The point is, I would say the same thing if I saw it. | |
| When you make more than $100,000 a year, a dude knocks on your door and starts talking to you about conspiracy. | ||
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$100,000? | |
| No way. | ||
| Well, if you're making $34,000 a year, you look at people that make $100,000 like, damn, I could pay all my fucking bills. | ||
| How do you get to that $100,000 level? | ||
| Well, you've got to sell out, son. | ||
| That's how people look at it, man. | ||
| But there is a threshold. | ||
| There is a threshold. | ||
| I remember when I was broke, I had a Suburban. | ||
| I wasn't broke, but I was doing alright. | ||
| But I had a Suburban, and some guy and I got into a fucking road rage situation on the highway. | ||
| And he goes, you fucking rich asshole! | ||
| I go, rich! | ||
| I'm like, I'm driving a fucking Suburban, man. | ||
| Like, what is rich to you? | ||
| Rich is driving a Suburban? | ||
| Like, what the fuck, man? | ||
| I already had the rich thing, because people thought that I was rich because of my dad, which I never really was. | ||
| I mean, he was supportive of me, but once I got here, I was kind of on my own, and I liked that. | ||
| But then once I talk about Bitcoin with you like fucking five years ago or whenever it was I was here three years ago, and everybody's like, oh, you got to be rich now because of that. | ||
| I'm like, fucking not rich. | ||
| From Bitcoin? | ||
| Yeah, but I mean, look. | ||
| What's up Bitcoin up to? | ||
| Like seven grand now? | ||
| Yeah, it went up to 19 for a second. | ||
| It goes down. | ||
| Keep going down. | ||
| It hadn't dropped very much below six grand. | ||
| But I mean, when I was here with you, it was like less than a grand. | ||
| But, you know, what I'm trying to say about this is not like I'm not validating this Anderson Cooper thing. | ||
| But that dude has always been fishing for things like that. | ||
| And it's always been his gig. | ||
| And it's been his gig from Columbine. | ||
| It's been his gig from all of this. | ||
| And I understand the passion and the emotion involved. | ||
| With the children that died in Sandy Hook. | ||
| And I have no... | ||
| I'm not defending him on that deal. | ||
| But at the same time, that's always been this guy's gig. | ||
| I feel like that is where he legitimately fucked up. | ||
| I don't think he's a... | ||
| If you take away... | ||
| I gotta defend him. | ||
| I just gotta say, hold on a second. | ||
| It's okay for him to fucking fuck up. | ||
| Yeah, but this is a silly fuck up. | ||
| He's saying that for sure it was a fake. | ||
| But did he say for sure it's a fake? | ||
| Yeah, yeah, yeah, he did. | ||
| People sent me the clip. | ||
| They sent me the clip of him saying that it was 100% fake. | ||
| He thought it was fake, so he said it. | ||
| He thought it was fake. | ||
| Yeah, he thought it was a false flag, so he said it. | ||
| But that's part of the conspiratorial thinking that's a real problem. | ||
| It's like saying you know. | ||
| He said some shit about me. | ||
| He said some shit about me that's 100% not true. | ||
| Pre or post your interview with him? | ||
| I don't remember. | ||
| I think it was Post. | ||
| It was Post. | ||
| He said that the government threatened my family to stop talking about conspiracy theories. | ||
| No, no. | ||
| Nobody threatened my family. | ||
| No one. | ||
| Zero. | ||
| Never happened. | ||
| Did not happen. | ||
| It is fake. | ||
| It is a lie. | ||
| Someone told it to him, I guess, or he says someone told it to him. | ||
| It didn't happen. | ||
| So, that's me. | ||
| I understand. | ||
| But do you understand how frustrating that is? | ||
| This is a minor thing. | ||
| Him lying. | ||
| Not lying. | ||
| Okay. | ||
| He said someone told him. | ||
| I believe he's telling the truth. | ||
| But it's not true. | ||
| He could have fucking called me. | ||
| He's got my number, man. | ||
| Call me. | ||
| So he didn't even bother calling me. | ||
| Joe, I'm about to go live from Austin, Texas. | ||
| I need to know, did someone threaten your family to stop talking about the moon landing and Bigfoot? | ||
| Sturge will say you had that down. | ||
| Do you fucking imagine they're going to threaten you? | ||
| You've got to stop talking about Bigfoot, man. | ||
| No, I did a show. | ||
| This is well documented. | ||
| I've talked about it a hundred times on the podcast. | ||
| I did a show called Joe Rogan Questions Everything. | ||
| And during that show, over a period of six months, I fucking questioned a lot of shit, legitimately. | ||
| But I did it with researchers. | ||
| We had a staff. | ||
| We had producers. | ||
| We went and we actually went to... | ||
| These places where these people are claiming to see UFOs. | ||
| We went to these places where people are claiming to be able to... | ||
| What is that shit they do? | ||
| Remote viewing. | ||
| Remote viewing. | ||
| Oh, yeah. | ||
| We talked to those guys. | ||
| That's a great movie. | ||
| We talked to all these people. | ||
| And I found a clear thread through all of it that I documented in my 2014 Comedy Central special. | ||
| Where I said, here's what you don't find when you go looking for Bigfoot. | ||
| Black people. | ||
| What you do find is unfuckable white dudes. | ||
| You are more likely to find Bigfoot than you are black people out looking for Bigfoot. | ||
| Also alien abductions probably could be the same thing. | ||
| It's dudes who can't get laid and they go looking for hidden mysteries. | ||
| This is a real big part of it. | ||
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I know, I know. | |
| But my point is, from doing that show, it soured me off conspiracy theories. | ||
| Conspiracy theories were fun for me. | ||
| And me, and especially Eddie Bravo, me and Eddie Bravo would get high, and we'd watch documentaries on flying rods, and all these UFO documentaries, and all the fucking Zachariah Sitchin shit. | ||
| Oh, I love it. | ||
| Oh, I love that stuff, man. | ||
| I love that stuff, but here's the thing. | ||
| My dad and I used to watch Chariots of the Gods all the time together. | ||
| It all falls apart under scrutiny. | ||
| All of it. | ||
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All of it does. | |
| All of it does. | ||
| It's fun, but it falls apart if you're being a serious person, and if you're really being honest about what you actually know. | ||
| This is the problem. | ||
| It's like the same, and the parallel is like, comparing to Alex Jones saying that my family's threatened is the same thing. | ||
| My family's never threatened. | ||
| No one ever threatened me. | ||
| So, but he's saying this on the radio. | ||
| Why is he saying it? | ||
| Because someone told him, and maybe he believes it, and he also thinks it's fun to say. | ||
| It's the thing to say if you're really into conspiracies. | ||
| But this is the problem with these fucking conspiracies. | ||
| They say things they don't know are true, and they say them like they're true. | ||
| Now this is fine if you just talk- But why is that an issue? | ||
| It's not an issue if you're talking about the Illuminati. | ||
| If you're talking about your kid getting shot, if your kid's dead, and someone says, hey man, this fucking Tom Smith on the radio saying, you're full of shit, you're a crisis actor, and your kid's not dead. | ||
| I mean, you're crying every night. | ||
| You wake up in the middle of the night crying. | ||
| Well, I'm not defending that, obviously. | ||
| But you are, a little bit. | ||
| No, I'm just defending his right to be Alex Jones. | ||
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That's all I'm defending. | |
| And I defend that as well. | ||
| And I defend David Allen Coe for being David Allen Coe. | ||
| What did David Allen Coe do? | ||
| Well, I played a show with David Allen Coe. | ||
| This is not any... | ||
| Let's get Sandy Hook out of this, because I'm not trying to talk about this. | ||
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Let's make some distance. | |
| I'm defending the right of people to be who they are. | ||
| And I love David Allen Coe's music and all that. | ||
| But I played a show with David Allen Coe one time. | ||
| And my dad always would tell me these things about him. | ||
| You know, he liked David and everything, but there was always kind of a little distance of, like, there was a showmanship part of him. | ||
| And, like, a good example of this, again, distancing from Sandy Hook, but a good part of it was that when... | ||
| When David Elko, we did a show with him one time. | ||
| My mom was over on the side of the stage with me. | ||
| I was opening for him. | ||
| This is many years ago before I even had a first record out or anything. | ||
| And David Elko did, you know, we did our set and then he played and he was on stage and he performed a song my mom wrote called Storms Never Last. | ||
| So my mom's over on the side of the stage and we're talking, me and my mom, we're watching it and he's singing it with his wife and stuff. | ||
| The next night, I'm opening up for him, and he goes on stage, and he goes, Last night, Jesse Coulter was right in the front row when I sang this song with my wife, and she was crying. | ||
| And, like, I'm sitting there going, I was here, and she was not crying. | ||
| She was standing next to me. | ||
| She was not on the front row. | ||
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Right, right. | |
| My mom, Jesse Coulter, wrote this song, Storm's Never Last. | ||
| And that's his character. | ||
| That's who he is. | ||
| All I'm saying here with... | ||
| I'm as forgiving about him lying to the audience because that is what he's doing at the moment. | ||
| I could sit there and go, you know what? | ||
| You're lying. | ||
| I'm going to take you in the back. | ||
| We're going to talk. | ||
| I'm going to tell this audience tomorrow night he's a liar. | ||
| He's a piece of shit. | ||
| Fuck him. | ||
| I'm not going to do that. | ||
| But you just did it on the show, which is a much larger audience. | ||
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Oh, right. | |
| But I'm not calling him a piece of shit. | ||
| I'm just saying I could do that. | ||
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You're in character. | |
| But why would I do that to him? | ||
| It's part of his shtick. | ||
| I just feel like, look, man, the times that I met Alex, the times I've been around him, Yeah, man, his gig is this. | ||
| And he got called out for a specific thing. | ||
| Yes, it involved the lives of children and everything like that. | ||
| I understand that. | ||
| I'm not at all sympathizing for him versus those families. | ||
| But I'm just saying, I just think that at the moment, everything is so hot with this. | ||
| And it's kind of exhausting. | ||
| And the internet is the reason for it, in my opinion. | ||
| Because I think that all the years that have come along... | ||
| The mass amount of people that have migrated to social media, the way that the integrated conversations happened, the way that that stuff ends up on the news now. | ||
| Like AOL chat rooms in fucking 1998, that shit did not end up on CNN. People were not listening to those things. | ||
| The best you could get, the closest you could get to fucking TV was to catch a predator when you were on that at that time. | ||
| And I feel like at this point in time, people need... | ||
| Again, not those families. | ||
| Their lawsuit, that's fine. | ||
| That's their thing. | ||
| But I just feel like people need to lighten up a little bit in the sense of... | ||
| I just think that the social media thing is very hazardous. | ||
| And I think that... | ||
| People's faith in all of it. | ||
| It doesn't have to do with fake news, and it doesn't have to do with Russian bots and all this shit. | ||
| I just think that, like, Alex Jones is a casualty because he's always been that guy. | ||
| What do you mean by it doesn't have to do with fake news and Russian bots? | ||
| I mean that, like, because there's always excuses for all the reasons why people believe. | ||
| That's real, right? | ||
| I believe that, of course, fake news is real. | ||
| But no, no, Russian bots are real. | ||
| There's an NPR document, no, no, no, a Radiolab podcast about Russian troll farms. | ||
| It's fucking fascinating. | ||
| It's really interesting. | ||
| Where these people show up at work, and their basic job is to put propaganda out on Instagram and social media and Twitter and comments and all that stuff. | ||
| I agree, but let's get out of the – let me tell you an example, what I have seen of this. | ||
| I run a bulletin board system called BitSunrise, which is like old technology that used to be modems used to dial into bulletin board systems. | ||
| You can telnet into it. | ||
| Telnet is a port – port 23 is the telnet port. | ||
| Well, DVRs also share port 23. DVRs like your DirecTV? | ||
| Where you're storing your phone? | ||
| Not all. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| Like if you record a show on a weekly basis. | ||
| There is an open port. | ||
| It's not always 23 on the units, but it's shared with the Telnet port. | ||
| So during the election, during the months up to the election and the months after the election, I would say four months, five months leading up, five months after. | ||
| On my bulletin, this is kind of technical when I'm trying to explain this to you, but when you telnet into a computer, for mine, you would telnet in and it would give you a login. | ||
| It has a picture that's drawn and you put your name and your address or your password in and you log in. | ||
| Well, during the five months leading up to the election and the five months afterwards, I was getting every day, probably all day long, 10 or 20 connections that were coming in. | ||
| And they were just, I wouldn't say a bot. | ||
| They were like, they were scripts that were trying to log into DVRs. | ||
| And trying to log into IP cameras that you can control and everything like that. | ||
| So I was watching for that about a year period. | ||
| So let me pause you here. | ||
| So you're saying that these bots were trying to control DVRs and cameras that people have on their televisions? | ||
| They were just testing. | ||
| And 90% of them were coming from China. | ||
| 10% of them were coming from maybe Russia and other places. | ||
| But 90% China, Korea. | ||
| Because you can look at the IP addresses. | ||
| So what are they testing for? | ||
| They're testing for flaws in the system? | ||
| They would be looking for a Linux login, which would be like, you know, login. | ||
| Like if you were to Telnet or SSH into a device like that, the first thing we get was a login. | ||
| And usually its root is the controller. | ||
| And so they're just trying to find... | ||
| They're just blindly... | ||
| Mass blindly going to IP addresses and trying to hack into them root. | ||
| And then they try password. | ||
| Then they try like this. | ||
| They try that. | ||
| They try the black, you know. | ||
| So the Russian bot thing, I understand that. | ||
| But I don't think it was a coordinated effort. | ||
| I think that like all during that whole time, I was watching my computer like I have. | ||
| It's kind of... | ||
| I'm getting real nerdy here, but it's like I have these games that people play, and once you get past the 13th, 14th, 15th node, which essentially means once there's 15 people playing at the same time, then the games stop working. | ||
| So I would be having to deal with... | ||
| These Chinese and Russian and all of them just mass trying to just break in. | ||
| And it was because of the DVRs and because of the IP cameras. | ||
| They were really literally trying to hack your system to just do whatever. | ||
| I don't know what the purpose was, but I watched it and it was China mostly. | ||
| I mean, Russia was a small amount. | ||
| And I think that all those countries, all the time, Or have people that are constantly trying to hack and interact with our shit. | ||
| I mean, it's just a thing. | ||
| Well, there's that as well. | ||
| There's that as well. | ||
| Yeah, but I think it's part of it. | ||
| There's that as well. | ||
| But there's also people that are absolutely trying to influence elections. | ||
| They're absolutely trying to influence our system. | ||
| And they're trying to manipulate political parties, and they're trying to start dissent. | ||
| And this is one of the things that's really fascinating about this Radiolab podcast, where they talk about how these Russian troll farms literally set up protests. | ||
| They hired people to pretend to be Donald Trump, and they hired people to pretend to be Hillary and put her in a cage and have people chant, lock her up. | ||
| Like, this is all manufactured dissent and manufactured outrage that they're strategically promoting. | ||
| That's fascinating to me. | ||
| But here you got to think, pause for a second. | ||
| You got to think, Russia is, you're talking about a giant place, okay? | ||
| So to pretend that what's happening with these people hacking into DVRs and web cameras is all that's happening. | ||
| No, I'm not saying that. | ||
| I'm just saying I witnessed that. | ||
| You witnessed a small example of what happens when people are exploiting vulnerabilities in systems. | ||
| But that doesn't mean that's the only thing that's going on. | ||
| No, I'm not saying that at all. | ||
| No, you're not. | ||
| But I want to clarify. | ||
| There's a lot of things that are going on. | ||
| There's a lot of things that are going on because people are dealing with this new technology and these new systems. | ||
| What do you think happened there? | ||
| In which way? | ||
| Well, with the Russian hacking election thing, and I don't like to get political because I don't really fucking do shit. | ||
| You don't have to get political. | ||
| Look at it objectively. | ||
| Look at it like a system. | ||
| 100%. | ||
| Look at it like this. | ||
| Look at it like you have a body, okay? | ||
| And your body has an immune system. | ||
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Right. | |
| And your body's immune system is constantly under threat of all sorts of different things. | ||
| You fucking touch a doorknob, you wipe your nose, there's a lot of shit going on, right? | ||
| This is very similar, if you just look at it objectively, to what happens whenever you have a server on the internet. | ||
| When you hear about the Republican Party getting hacked into, or different people's emails getting exploited by someone from outside that's a hacker. | ||
| What is that? | ||
| Well, they're trying to find a way through the system. | ||
| It's a natural thing. | ||
| If you put up a wall, people go, hmm, how do I get past that wall? | ||
| You know, if you make $34,000 a year and a guy makes a million dollars, oh, what does that guy know? | ||
| This is a natural thing that happens. | ||
| But how is this any different? | ||
| I guess when I'm trying to ask about this, it's like when I was watching that happen with my system, it's like how is this any different than what is going on For the last hundred years. | ||
| Because it's new. | ||
| Okay, because it's new. | ||
| Because no one has been able to get into your folders before. | ||
| No one's been able to get... | ||
| No one kid sitting in Czechoslovakia who has a computer has been able to figure out how to turn your webcam on and watch you beat off. | ||
| This is a new thing. | ||
| But we didn't have a webcam to beat off into before. | ||
| Doesn't matter. | ||
| But you understand what I'm saying? | ||
| Yeah, I do. | ||
| This is a new thing. | ||
| This is a new thing. | ||
| So because this is a new thing. | ||
| I feel like for some reason it's the exact same thing. | ||
| It is human nature, but I don't understand what your point is. | ||
| Well, I guess what I'm asking here is in the way of the—I just feel like the Russian bot thing was—all of that. | ||
| I feel like the Russian bots is a term for people who don't understand computers in a way, and they've just kind of thrown that out there as a political device. | ||
| Sometimes. | ||
| I think that Russia, China, Korea— Like every other fucking country that is enabled in a way in which they're so far ahead technologically was involved in all kinds of fuckery and they're still involved in it and will still do that during the election. | ||
| It was fucking a hundred times. | ||
| For sure. | ||
| But, you know, I'm just – it's hard for me, you know, back circling around to the Alex Jones thing. | ||
| All of this new technology, all of the people who are awake, woke on Facebook, they're woke on Facebook. | ||
| If you're awake, they know you're an agent. | ||
| Yeah, you're woke on Facebook. | ||
| I'm so wake. | ||
| You know, it's like, I felt bad for fucking Childish Gambino that he had a song that had Stay Woke in it, because immediately that song, that was what an amazing song, and it was, that term became dumb immediately. | ||
| But I just feel like All of this that's happening, all of this talk, all of him getting banned, all this stuff, it's all this kind of effect of the world. | ||
| Instead of being out in the world, everyone has gone to this point where it's these groups, these really rich groups, Google and Facebook and Twitter and all this, and everyone has gone to this central point, and now they're lynching people. | ||
| Whether or not you agree with Alex Jones, whether or not you like him, whether or not he's being lynched in the situation. | ||
| I lost you right there. | ||
| I lost you right there. | ||
| So I get that there's all these people that are doing all these different nefarious things. | ||
| This has been going on forever, and now they're using new systems to do that. | ||
| They're using the internet and all these open pipes and these connections that they can make to you. | ||
| But the trick is that the public is there. | ||
| They've gotten them to go to this one arena. | ||
| That is my problem with it. | ||
| As much of a nerd and a technology person as I am, I hate that people have... | ||
| I mean, I'm sure they have their own lives, but the fact that we have become so centralized to these small groups of internet companies like social media and things, and then now... | ||
| Look, it's on both sides, man. | ||
| I mean, Alex Jones is getting lynched, Harvey Weinstein, whatever. | ||
| I know he's doing horrible things. | ||
| That's a very different thing. | ||
| That's a very, very, very, very, very different thing you're talking about. | ||
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I'm not defending him at all for his behavior. | |
| What's the connection? | ||
| The connection is the fact that... | ||
| The connection is people are just attacking him. | ||
| They're finding a place to attack. | ||
| Look, those people could have suits against Harvey Weinstein. | ||
| We can know about it, of course. | ||
| We knew about it because of the Wall Street Journal or whoever, New York Times, who ran that thing. | ||
| Was it a New Yorker? | ||
| Yeah, it was a New Yorker. | ||
| Shout out to Ron Farrow. | ||
| Leave me alone. | ||
| I'm sure this is an unpopular opinion, but I just feel like the centralization of society into social media is resulting in a lot of things that are very ugly. | ||
| And I think that the Russian bot thing, the Chinese hackers thing, the Alex Jones issue, the Me Too movement, all that stuff, which I'm behind all the people that were hurt. | ||
| I'm behind the Sandy Hooks people. | ||
| I'm behind the people who had the bad experiences in Hollywood, all that. | ||
| So what are you proposing? | ||
| What are you saying? | ||
| I'm just saying that I think that it's unhealthy. | ||
| I think the social media thing has become too centralized. | ||
| There needs to be a decentralized source. | ||
| How is it centralized? | ||
| Because there's only a few groups like Facebook, Twitter, Instagram? | ||
| I mean, it's 100% centralized. | ||
| I mean, it's owned by several groups. | ||
| It's several... | ||
| You know, everyone's kind of going to McDonald's to have these conversations as opposed to it being something that is a little more healthy. | ||
| I just find – I just think that people – I think Alex Jones should have always been able to be crazy in his world and he was always nice to me. | ||
| And like you said, he's your friend. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| You know what the problem with Alex is? | ||
| He needs someone sitting right next to him. | ||
| Someone like me. | ||
| When he talks and he says something crazy, he goes, wait a minute, how do you know that? | ||
| And he goes, well, we have the documents. | ||
| Well, show me the documents. | ||
| Well, the documents don't say that. | ||
| Well, you know, the problem is, Joe, they are definitely trying to influence. | ||
| And he goes, yeah, they probably are. | ||
| But if you leave him alone, if you leave him alone and just let him rant. | ||
| By the way, he's doing six hours, eight hours of radio a fucking day. | ||
| I know. | ||
| Definitely likes to drink. | ||
| So he's doing six hours of radio a day. | ||
| At least three of them are drunk. | ||
| And he's fucking filling time and screaming and no one can say anything to him. | ||
| And he's the fucking man over there. | ||
| That's also part of the problem. | ||
| He's got a bunch of these other people that are around him all the time. | ||
| And they're conspiracy theorists as well, but they're 28. And they're hanging out with Alex Jones and he goes on these rants and no one interrupts him. | ||
| It's a broad argument with all of it because I agree, but he was always transmitting. | ||
| He was always like, hey, show me where the Satanists are going to worship to sacrifice children. | ||
| That's fine. | ||
| I get it. | ||
| I think what happened is now the idea is that he's influencing people politically, like the whole Podesta, Pizzagate, all that stuff scared the shit out of people when that guy showed up at that pizza place and fired off around and You know, and then they wound up arresting them and they really thought there was a dungeon in the basement where they keep their kids. | ||
| Again, centralizing in social media is the cause for a lot of these reactions. | ||
| But is that centralizing in social media or is that people exciting people to go and take action against something that may or may not even be real? | ||
| Are you allowed to yell out fire in a crowded theater, right? | ||
| This is ultimately the problem. | ||
| Right. | ||
| It's not whether or not he believes in Bohemian Grove, which is real, and he proved it on video back when they had VHS tapes, and I watched it. | ||
| I mean, I've known Alex since 99, or 98, I think, maybe. | ||
| I've known him for a long-ass time. | ||
| And this is a very big difference between then and what's happening now as far as the reach and influence. | ||
| And I think people are sort of panicking about reach and influence and what it means and how to mitigate it, how to stop people from going into pizza places and shooting them up because they think that something that they heard online is true. | ||
| There's a lot of stuff that people hear online that is just not true. | ||
| You know, the lizards underground or the fucking earth being flat. | ||
| There's a lot of stuff that's just nonsense. | ||
| So it's hard to separate. | ||
| Here's what I think. | ||
| I think we are going through an adolescent stage as a being, as an evolving being. | ||
| And I think... | ||
| Our bodies and our minds and our consciousness are becoming synchronized with technology and along the way, like right now, we are in this chaotic, screaming, sweating, crying, pissing, shitting state of chaos And we are looking to figure out how to stop the bleeding. | ||
| We're looking to shove thumbs into dikes. | ||
| Dikes meaning like dams. | ||
| And we are looking to try to figure out a way to stop the bleeding. | ||
| We're trying to put patches and band-aids on things. | ||
| We're trying to manage the chaos. | ||
| We're trying to figure out what... | ||
| And this is a stage that we're going through. | ||
| Because this... | ||
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| This is a new thing. | ||
| This is a new thing for human beings. | ||
| The ability to communicate widespread over millions and millions of people instantaneously is a new thing. | ||
| So people have say that never had say before. | ||
| They have influence that never had influence before. | ||
| They have their ability to contribute and they might not have thought these things through and these things catch fire and they run through dry forests like a goddamn Tornado of flames that you see on CNN when the Mendocino fire up in Northern California This is this is what happens with ideas because there's no way to contain them and they don't know what's right or what's wrong I think that what we're going through from the period of 1994 the period of 2018 is like a crazy fire in the middle of a hurricane | ||
| and It's like everything is nuts, and no one knows how to stop it, and no one knows what to do. | ||
| And what do we do? | ||
| We get together in shelters, and we fucking give people water, and we try to stop the fire and take away everyone's lighters. | ||
| And that's what we're doing right now. | ||
| We're trying to take away lighters. | ||
| We're trying to stop people who start fires. | ||
| And this is what's happening with Alex. | ||
| And it's not that Alex is a bad guy. | ||
| Is that he's by himself. | ||
| Irresponsibility. | ||
| It's irresponsible to say that you know for sure a fact that these parents from Sandy Hook are crisis actors and their kids never died. | ||
| It's irresponsible. | ||
| And he didn't think it was irresponsible when he was doing it because he's probably caught up in what he does and he's caught up in the wave of ad-libbing, just like you and I are ad-libbing. | ||
| We didn't even talk about what the fuck we were going to talk about, right? | ||
| No, you just turned on. | ||
| We just turned on and went. | ||
| We had a couple of drinks. | ||
| That's very right. | ||
| What you're saying there is very right. | ||
| I don't mean to cut you off. | ||
| It's okay. | ||
| But what you're saying there is very smart. | ||
| Because to me, you're right. | ||
| He has always been doing this. | ||
| And at this point in time, his reach has grown. | ||
| Right. | ||
| Now there's a wind behind him. | ||
| He used to be in Seattle. | ||
| It was raining every day, and he had a little patch of dry newspaper. | ||
| He'd light that shit on fire, and everybody would go, ah, Alex is crazy. | ||
| Yeah, no, I agree. | ||
| I think what I'm trying to articulate, and I'm not doing as well as I wanted to, but... | ||
| I think what my problem is is the synchronization of consciousness is what I'm not into. | ||
| I think just like you have a rut of people who now believe that the Sandy Hook thing is fake and they're calling the families because of this conversation. | ||
| This is where that lawsuit is really coming from because the other people... | ||
| But then you also have another side of it. | ||
| You know, back in the day when they said that Paul McCartney was dead, and they got harassed, but it was on such a small level because there was no way to just email Paul McCartney and say, you're not the real Paul McCartney. | ||
| You're fucking dead. | ||
| You're a faker. | ||
| Not just that. | ||
| There was no way to exchange these ideas amongst people constantly in real time on Facebook all day long. | ||
| Which is the centralization that creates these rivers and these ruts that people who don't know what to do and they fall into one rut or another and they kind of become this kind of streamlined thing. | ||
| So I think the way you just described it is very articulate. | ||
| This is a new thing, man. | ||
| It is. | ||
| This is a new thing. | ||
| We are in a really exciting time. | ||
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I don't think it's healthy, though. | |
| Well, why I say that? | ||
| Because they used to say that about the printing press. | ||
| They used to worry about that with the written word. | ||
| They used to worry about that with everything. | ||
| The distribution of information is not whether or not it's healthy. | ||
| It's just a part of what this being does. | ||
| What this being does is constantly search for innovation and novelty. | ||
| That's what the human being does. | ||
| I guess, yes. | ||
| Look at your phone over there, man. | ||
| You got a fucking iPhone. | ||
| Don't you think you could go to the people making iPhones and go, hey, bro, we're good. | ||
| This is it. | ||
| Stop right there. | ||
| But we're not good. | ||
| These motherfuckers are ready to come out with an iPhone 11. They're not going to stop. | ||
| The guy invented the web. | ||
| Was invented hyperlinks and the idea was that if someone wanted to... | ||
| You gotta get high, dude. | ||
| This is just... | ||
| Oh, I'm in. | ||
| I'm in. | ||
| So, like, the guy invented the web. | ||
| I don't know his name. | ||
| I should know his name. | ||
| Al Gore, motherfucker! | ||
| No, right. | ||
| What, he wasn't? | ||
| That's funny. | ||
| You think he lies? | ||
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| So this cat... | ||
| All he wanted to do was make it basically like medical documents where you would say like, you know, this guy had a brain transplant and then brain transplant would be underlined and you clicked on that and it would take you to a link that explained brain transplants and that would be worldwide. | ||
| So the internet is decentralized. | ||
| And the web is decentralized to some degree, okay? | ||
| Now, Google coming in with search engines, like, that's focusing points. | ||
| What scares me is those people being, like, Facebook being the avenue in which everybody talks. | ||
| What should scare you is that weed I just handed you. | ||
| Holy shit, I took two hits and I'm not even here anymore. | ||
| I'm in a neighborhood. | ||
| I am very high. | ||
| That's a blunt. | ||
| That's legit. | ||
| I took two hits. | ||
| I like the little glass thing. | ||
| Don't fuck around here in California, son. | ||
| But you know what I mean? | ||
| I just have a problem with the centralization of the companies owning the avenues in which people talk. | ||
|
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I get it. | |
| I'm right with you on that. | ||
| I think we need more YouTubes. | ||
| I think we need more venues for people to distribute information. | ||
| But I also think we need more love. | ||
|
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Oh, 100%. | |
| This is more compassion. | ||
| There's so much hate and anger towards each other. | ||
|
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Let's keep going. | |
| I feel like I'm going to get nailed here on this because I'm not... | ||
| Well, that's part of the nervousness about doing a live show, right? | ||
| Especially while you're intoxicated. | ||
| I would say the same... | ||
| Well, I mean, I'm not that intoxicated. | ||
| I'm very nervous right now. | ||
| I have a fucking drink. | ||
| I just have five hits. | ||
| I'm very nervous. | ||
| I would say that... | ||
| Oh, this is one of those ones where they... | ||
| Yeah, it's tobacco. | ||
| Tobacco and some shit that was grown on Mars. | ||
| You know what Armstrong grew this week? | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| Man, see, I... Again, again, it was just like there was a point in time... | ||
| Well, you're trying to make sense right now. | ||
| This is part of the problem, right? | ||
| I know. | ||
| This is why I wanted us to get out. | ||
| And we're getting super serious about topics that mean a lot to people. | ||
| And we don't really know enough about them. | ||
| I just feel like, I just wish that there weren't, like, again, I feel like there's ruts that people have to fall in to communicate. | ||
| And those are ruts that are owned by these companies that are very fucking rich and very expensive. | ||
| Well, here's the thing, too. | ||
| These companies didn't see this coming. | ||
| I'm libertarian. | ||
| I'm not either way. | ||
| I'm not really that. | ||
| I don't even fucking know what that is. | ||
| All I know is I don't believe in trusting anybody who says, hey, I'll take care of you. | ||
| You come this way. | ||
| Just don't worry about a thing. | ||
| And they're the ones making all the money. | ||
| And it's like that's how the internet has become. | ||
| It used to be a Wild West of information. | ||
| Emails are fucking information. | ||
| That's me communicating with you and no one else seeing it. | ||
| That's beautiful. | ||
| And I think the idea of Twitter and Facebook and all that is fantastic when it first started. | ||
| But at this point in time, it's gotten so big. | ||
| If it doesn't break up into something where people figure out that they are in control of the internet, not these other people, that's what bothers me. | ||
| Okay, so what bothers you is that someone comes along and says, the people aren't in control of the internet. | ||
| So it's not like a free market. | ||
| It is a free market. | ||
| It was a free market. | ||
| It's a free market. | ||
| A guy like Alex Jones would say, this guy's preposterous. | ||
| I'm not listening to him anymore. | ||
| When it's not a free market is when YouTube, I don't know if they collaborate or if they just all agree. | ||
| I don't know if they all agree, but they just all decide. | ||
| Everyone's going to take them off. | ||
| Facebook's going to suspend them for 30 days. | ||
| Twitter's going to suspend them for a period of time. | ||
| YouTube's going to remove them. | ||
| All these people are going to take Vimeo, jumped on ship, and they pulled them off too. | ||
| So this becomes an issue. | ||
| What is it that causes you to get removed? | ||
| What is it? | ||
| And should we be really clear on that, or is this just a whim? | ||
| Because this is a really important thing. | ||
| If we really are fucking with free speech, we have to be very careful on what we decide Is a valid reason to pull people off of our airways? | ||
| Because if you have stuff on your airways that's far more vile, and you let that stay up because it doesn't have the same reach, like, what is your criteria? | ||
| It doesn't have the same influence. | ||
| It doesn't have the same political ties to it. | ||
| Like, what is the reason why you're pulling one thing off and not another thing? | ||
| Is it because of a popularity issue? | ||
| Have you searched your Trillions of fucking hours of footage for offensive speech, content, ideas, disinformation. | ||
| What have you really done to mitigate this issue? | ||
| Or are you acting on this because it's a social hotspot issue right now, which it most certainly is, and most certainly should be? | ||
| I really think that Alex needs a guy right next to him. | ||
| If Alex and I did a show together... | ||
| I feel that way about Howard Stern. | ||
| Meh. | ||
| No. | ||
| Not the same comparison. | ||
| I listen to him every day. | ||
| But sometimes I want to be like, dude, are you kidding me? | ||
| But that's also part of his charm. | ||
| Part of his charm is he creates dissent and arguments and you want to get mad and you want to either... | ||
| He's opinionated. | ||
| But Howard Stern's very responsible. | ||
| He's a different guy. | ||
| It's not the same thing. | ||
| I'm not trying to compare Alex to him. | ||
| I'm just saying that sometimes I feel the same way about... | ||
| About him and other people. | ||
| People feel that way about us right now. | ||
| Oh, yeah. | ||
| People tell me, quit cutting fucking Giorgio Morata tribute records and do a country record, you know? | ||
| And I do a country record right now, and they're like, ah, it's kind of corny. | ||
| No. | ||
| No, I've got a record coming, by the way. | ||
| I'm sure you do. | ||
| Dude, I told you I wake up to Triska Decaphobia every morning. | ||
| I love the E. That's a fucking fact, man. | ||
| That's the Stephen King record. | ||
| Watch. | ||
| I'm going to fucking set it so people know I'm not bullshitting. | ||
| I'm going to set my alarm. | ||
| What time is it right now? | ||
| It's 2.05. | ||
| I'm going to set my alarm for 2.05. | ||
| 2.05, perfect. | ||
| You've got one minute. | ||
| I love it. | ||
| You know, I also, just along with what you're saying, is it's like, you know... | ||
| Oh, it is 2.05, goddamn it. | ||
| It has to be free, the whole thing. | ||
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Hold on, 2.06. | |
| No, it's 2.04. | ||
| Oh, your cathode ray light or clock, is it right? | ||
| That thing's bullshit. | ||
| Oh, it just turned 2.06. | ||
| Come on, bitch. | ||
| Why are you going? | ||
| Hmm. | ||
| It thinks I'm retarded. | ||
| Let's go with 2.08 p.m. | ||
| That's a fact. | ||
| There you go. | ||
| We'll give ourselves a little buffer. | ||
| No, I just feel like, you know, and fucking this topic could be... | ||
| No, listen, man, we're not qualified to have this conversation, but no one is. | ||
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Yeah, yeah, I agree. | |
| So it's just as long as we're honest about how we feel about things, look, you can go, oh, you guys are off. | ||
| You guys are off. | ||
| Yeah, we're a little off. | ||
| I believe in protecting children's innocence in a certain way that I agree with YouTube not allowing porn and stuff like that, you know, because my kids look at YouTube all the time. | ||
| But what about Twitter? | ||
| Twitter allows a certain amount of porn. | ||
| Sometimes I'm flipping through my timeline. | ||
| I've got to duck my phone down. | ||
| I've got to go, yo, Kendra Luss, slow it down. | ||
| Yeah, nice call out. | ||
| Yeah, I mean, you know, it may as well have, like, I believe if ISIS, if Alex Jones, and if the unboxing of the LOLs can exist. | ||
| What does that mean? | ||
| What's unboxing of the LOLs? | ||
| My daughter, these toys, LOL Shopkins and things like that, where they show videos of them, or the slime videos of doing the slime. | ||
|
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Oh, okay. | |
| I was confused. | ||
| You know, like YouTube and those kind of things. | ||
| I just think that there's a certain level of, like, just ignore it if you don't like it. | ||
| Well, it's not your thing. | ||
| The lawsuit thing, totally, that's out of this context a little bit. | ||
| He went too far with that. | ||
| There's a big difference between something that you might find gross and something that changes culture. | ||
| So I think what they're worried about is, do you remember when Jim Acosta did that, he went to that Trump rally and they went crazy on him? | ||
| Do you remember that shit? | ||
| I don't know. | ||
| It was a recent thing, a couple weeks ago. | ||
| He's a CNN anchor who is reasonably self-righteous, but he's in a difficult situation. | ||
| He has to challenge the President of the United States, who is also a famous celebrity billionaire guy who has his name on buildings. | ||
| I mean, this literally is Rosebud. | ||
| This is the tale of Citizen Kane. | ||
| I mean, this is someone with... | ||
| Ungodly power and influence. | ||
| And I'm not standing up for Jim Acosta. | ||
| I'm just going to say, just put yourself in that guy's position. | ||
| What a crazy spot. | ||
| You're yelling out questions at the President of the United States, who also happens to be Donald Trump. | ||
| You think like you're on acid. | ||
| The world has gone into a vortex of crazy, and you're the guy by some fucking freak of chance, whether you're Jim Acosta or Don Lemon or fill in the blank. | ||
| Everyone... | ||
| Damn it! | ||
| It went off! | ||
| You heard it! | ||
| You hit the button! | ||
| I accidentally hit the button. | ||
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I did hear it. | |
| I'm going to set it to 9 so I can do this correctly. | ||
| But I mean, if you're one of those fucking people, I'm going to hold this bitch over here. | ||
|
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It was the weed. | |
| You thought, oh shit, I got to turn that off. | ||
| Yeah, I only have a few seconds to go. | ||
| If you're one of those fucking people and that's your job and we expect them to handle that, that's probably like being Beyonce and The Rock on steroids. | ||
| But in a negative way. | ||
| It wouldn't be those two because those are very beloved celebrities. | ||
| Very few people are as beloved as The Rock or Beyonce. | ||
| They're pretty much universally beloved. | ||
| I think they're the same person. | ||
| Uniquely so. | ||
| They're so loved and so deserving of that love. | ||
| But if you're a guy, like who's a real, like Takashi69, that kid? | ||
| Can you imagine the hate that guy gets all day? | ||
| Who is that? | ||
| He's a rapper. | ||
| Listen to this. | ||
| Every morning I wake up to you, my friend. | ||
| I hope this doesn't get us pulled off of YouTube. | ||
| Alex played that whole thing on the air right now. | ||
| Shooter Jennings, bitch. | ||
| Recognize. | ||
| Oh, you brought an album. | ||
| Oh, we own it. | ||
| We can sign off on it. | ||
| Oh, that's yours. | ||
| Oh, beautiful. | ||
| That's my new record. | ||
| Dude, I love it. | ||
| Thanks, Adam. | ||
| Dude, you got some badass fucking music. | ||
| Oh, thanks. | ||
| You really do. | ||
| I love your music. | ||
| And you know one of the things that I love about your music? | ||
| It's all different, man. | ||
| You got some straight-up country. | ||
| Put the O back in country. | ||
| You've got that whole album, man. | ||
| It's like a badass country album. | ||
| But with this twist. | ||
| A respectful country album that also has a lot of modern wickedness to it. | ||
| I appreciate it. | ||
| That was the point. | ||
| Like when we were... | ||
| Like, when we were doing the first record, it was me and Ted Russell Camp, who still plays with me, and Leroy Powell, who doesn't play with me anymore, but he played on that record. | ||
| He played guitar. | ||
| Brian Keeling was the drummer. | ||
| We started doing our shit. | ||
| Like, our idea was... | ||
| We were living here. | ||
| You know, I just... | ||
| 2003, we started recording the first record. | ||
| And I had moved here three years ago. | ||
| And we were like... | ||
| Our whole thing was, like, we like rock music because it sounds cool. | ||
| And we like Dylan, and we like... | ||
| You know, even... | ||
| I wasn't even smart enough to like Dylan then. | ||
| We were, like, into fucking... | ||
| You know, Bowie and... | ||
| I kind of came from the Nine Inch Nails side. | ||
| That's how I got into music. | ||
| We kind of talked about that in the other show. | ||
| By that time, the idea was like, can we make country music? | ||
| We like the old stuff, but have it sound cool. | ||
| And why can't we bring in the stuff that's cool about rock? | ||
| And why can't you go psychedelic? | ||
| And why can't you kind of push the limits that way? | ||
| And we were just dumb. | ||
| And trying to do it that way. | ||
| And Dave Cobb, who produced this record, we met back then and he produced the first record. | ||
| And he was the same way. | ||
| We were like more Beatles, Stones, Bowie kids musically in the amount of records we listened to and, you know, obsessed over Pink Floyd and stuff, you know, than we were a country. | ||
| So we were kind of trying to blend those two back then. | ||
| You know, but we were just... | ||
| Just trying and starting and doing weird shit. | ||
| And then after a while, just evolving. | ||
| Yeah, but then your next album would be totally different. | ||
| Like, you don't give a fuck, dude. | ||
| It's about the record. | ||
| You're like a guy who invested in Apple in the 80s. | ||
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Yeah. | |
| You just do your music, man. | ||
| You do your music and whatever you're into right now is like what you do. | ||
| It's really interesting. | ||
| I've listened to every one of your CDs and there's only a few of them that are even similar. | ||
| You know, similar to each other. | ||
| They're all your albums. | ||
| I guess you can say albums again. | ||
| Because it became CD for a while, but who the fuck gets a CD, old man? | ||
| And then it's like, I can't say online playlist. | ||
| Your newest online playlist. | ||
| Like, what do I say about your newest thing? | ||
| Albums are playlists, man. | ||
| Your newest audio release. | ||
| Yeah, man. | ||
| You know, once Black Ribbons happened, man, I did the first record. | ||
| And that was kind of my take on country and our take as a band and Dave Cobb. | ||
| And then before that record came out, we started recording the second record. | ||
| And I was like, the first song I wrote was the song Electric Rodeo. | ||
| And I was like, I wanted to go heavy. | ||
| I wanted to just really show up and do this kind of hard, rocky sounding. | ||
| And what I mean by that is, we're into Zeppelin and shit. | ||
| We were into 90s music. | ||
| It was like... | ||
| You know, 70s shit. | ||
| But it was like hard rock, crazy effects. | ||
| The immigrant song. | ||
| Kind of going crazy. | ||
| But with the song, the country songs there. | ||
| And I always felt if Electric Rodeo got considered a country record when it came out and charted, then I felt like we had done our thing. | ||
| But it did come out and it did chart. | ||
| But once we came out with that, we had Universal who had been behind us. | ||
| And they had basically been... | ||
| The people that worked at Universal had been kind of, in my opinion, in their opinion, duped because Tony Brown and Tim Dubois, who believed in me, and we had done this record without a deal. | ||
| And I sent it to Tony Brown because I knew I just as a kid had met him and him and my dad had done business and I liked him. | ||
| And there was he had made me feel like he liked me. | ||
| So I sent him this record after me and the band and Dave did the record. | ||
| And they believed in me and they signed it. | ||
| And he kind of like remixed our first song so they would play it on radio. | ||
| And Tony was a big producer, still is. | ||
| I mean, he produced like the first bunch of Steve Earle records and he played piano for Elvis. | ||
| And he was our label head. | ||
| So we kind of remixed it so we get on radio. | ||
| So I'm thinking, they like me, because we have kind of a number 24 hit. | ||
| So I'm like, I'm going to hit them with some good shit now. | ||
| And then I hit them with what I thought was a good shit, and they said, this is not what we signed up for. | ||
| We are out. | ||
| You're out. | ||
| And I never got to play on the radio again. | ||
| So, you know... | ||
| That's on them, dude. | ||
| I know. | ||
| The reason why your music is so... | ||
| Well, it's just good. | ||
| I mean, I like a lot of great music, and your music is great. | ||
| But it's also that you're clearly coming at this from an artist's perspective. | ||
| You're not a marketing genius by any stretch of the imagination. | ||
| Your dad's fucking Waylon Jennings, dude. | ||
| I mean, you have the in of all inns. | ||
| Your dad is like a super legend, you know? | ||
| I mean, he's a super, super legend, but you choose... | ||
| To legitimately carve your own path in the wildest of ways. | ||
| It's really interesting how you do that. | ||
| And I think that thoughtfulness that allows you to be free like that is also what allows you to explore these complex issues like censorship or Bitcoin or any of these things that are like, whoa, this is some heavy stuff. | ||
| You have a curious approach to these things and an ability to express who you really are, right? | ||
| Which is what comes out in your music. | ||
| It's not like your image. | ||
| You're just doing what you really feel when you're writing it. | ||
| I think that's a big part of community. | ||
| That's a big part of being a person. | ||
| Like, let some person uniquely be themselves. | ||
| And I think this is a real issue with social media. | ||
| The people are so terrified of expressing themselves because they're terrified of the hate they get back But then they get addicted to attacking other people that are failing or other people that are making mistakes And I get I think this again goes with this whole fucking chaos thing that we're talking about before I mean, I think we're in the middle of a storm right now And I think that your your take on Alex Jones and Bill Maher's take on Alex Jones and what we're saying here about him it doesn't It doesn't in any way negate arguments that you shouldn't say some of the things he's saying. | ||
| We agree with you. | ||
| But we also say, human beings, we have to figure this out together. | ||
| And if you start conflict, and one great way to start conflict is to ban and to take people down. | ||
| Call people a Nazi that aren't really a Nazi. | ||
| Like, decide that someone's an alt-right white supremacist. | ||
| This is when they're really not at all. | ||
| They're a liberal and a Democrat, and you know they are. | ||
| You're saying crazy things because you're trying to demonize people and slot them into groups. | ||
| We have to reject that with every fiber of our being because this is tyranny. | ||
| This is a type of group tyranny that although it's not connected to a network like the fucking, you know, the KKK or the Democrats or the Republicans, It's still this chaotic group think thing that happens where we decide to go after people and stop being compassionate, stop being just a human being who recognizes that other human beings are flawed and they make mistakes and they do stupid shit. | ||
| But as soon as you oppose them so vehemently for something that really should be treated with curiosity and compassion and maybe a little bit of understanding and mockery, instead of that, there's this anger and this vitriol that we just have to Put a curb on shitty thinking. | ||
| I agree. | ||
| It's kind of like new Roman Coliseum social media. | ||
| It is in a way, but it's also... | ||
| People fighting each other and cheering it on. | ||
| The court of public discourse is massive now. | ||
| It just opened up a gate. | ||
| It was a little trickle. | ||
| It was like that fucking border patrol station in Mexico. | ||
| It's hard to get in the country, bro. | ||
| If you want to be that guy who risks his life in the middle of August and take your family through the fucking desert with a couple of jugs of water and you're going to walk and hope you find a job... | ||
| You know? | ||
| That's what it used to be like. | ||
| What this is like is the walls came down and they changed the law. | ||
| And everybody said, go ahead in. | ||
| And everybody's in. | ||
| And in and down, too. | ||
| People going down, too. | ||
| Up and down. | ||
| Just opening it up. | ||
| It's getting crazy! | ||
| See, this is what everybody's afraid of. | ||
| And this is what's happening right now with information. | ||
| This is what's happening for the very first time ever. | ||
| Between this period of, you know, 1994 and 2018, it's been this inevitable change in the way people are able to express information. | ||
| And who gets to express information? | ||
| You know, they'll question the legitimacy of someone who becomes famous through the internet, but not famous through NBC. He made it! | ||
| He's on NBC! Meanwhile, this guy is just talking to his webcam. | ||
| He has 30 times as many people paying attention to him. | ||
| Why is he wrong? | ||
| Why is he incorrect? | ||
| Because he didn't go through your established channels that have existed with... | ||
| Who's your gatekeepers? | ||
| Oh, guys like Harvey Weinstein were your gatekeepers? | ||
| Bitch, get the fuck out of here. | ||
| You don't get to dictate what's interesting or what's creative or what sounds good, what kind of music people like. | ||
| It used to be that if you liked rock, you didn't like country. | ||
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When I was a kid, you were a loser if you liked KISS. Right. | |
| Dude, you would get categorized. | ||
| I had to hide some music that I liked. | ||
| Kiss was one of them. | ||
| That's funny, man. | ||
| I told Paul Stanley he didn't seem to appreciate that. | ||
| I told Gene Simmons once, too. | ||
| I was like, dude, I'm sorry, but it was true. | ||
| I was loyal back when it was uncool to like Kiss. | ||
| And then it turned around and became super loyal. | ||
| Eddie Bravo has the same story. | ||
| We both were embarrassed to be Kiss fans. | ||
| But meanwhile, now I fucking love Kiss. | ||
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Yeah. | |
| I love Kiss, but I also love Willie Nelson. | ||
| I love listening to all kinds of different shit. | ||
| Country comes along, too. | ||
| For me, I grew up with my dad, but country came along. | ||
| Once I started living life and I started appreciating the songs, you know what I mean? | ||
| Yeah, like when you start actually kind of understanding the words and all that and like you it just it hits you Yeah, like oh shit this this shit is like the heavy shit Yeah, it's like there's some deep deep fucking emotions to country songs I mean Johnny Cash just his lyrics alone like some of his songs are fucking phenomenal man. | ||
| Yeah, they're phenomenal Yeah, you know, you know what one always blows me away on cash is the man in black still to this thing the lines like, you know What is it? | ||
| The thousands that died thinking that the Lord were on their side. | ||
| And then here's to the hundreds or tens of thousands that died thinking that we were all on their side, like that verse and everything. | ||
| I was looking at it. | ||
| I forgot to look it up. | ||
| Hey, would you mind looking up who wrote The Man in Black? | ||
| Sorry to ask you that, but I've been dying to know that because I wanted to know if Shel Silverstein was involved or if it was just Johnny Cash that wrote it. | ||
| But that's such a beautiful song. | ||
| Dude, how about, um, well, Folsom Prison Blues, alright, of course. | ||
| Oh, that's a fantastic one. | ||
| But how about God's Gonna Cut You Down? | ||
| Oh, that's Misty's favorite. | ||
| Good lord, that's a song. | ||
| I love that song. | ||
| That's a song that, like, chills you to your bones. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| Because he was an old, old man when he did that song, too. | ||
| Rick Rubin's like the... | ||
| Oh my god, that's good. | ||
| It has that right, the big kind of beat. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| Jesus Christ, that's good. | ||
| That one and The Man Comes Around, those two were really smoking. | ||
| And even like a boy named Sue. | ||
| Oh yeah. | ||
| Ridiculous. | ||
| That's Shel Silverstein. | ||
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Is it? | |
| That's why I was wondering. | ||
| Yeah, Shel wrote that. | ||
| Shel's like the forgot, he's the guy that brought like the New York sense of humor and really cultured writing style, like the kind of Hunter S. Thompson world. | ||
| He's the link. | ||
| Between that and country music, for sure, Shel Silverstein. | ||
| I got to be around him a couple times when I was young. | ||
| He wrote it. | ||
| Though Cash wrote the signature song, Man in Black, to explain the social conscience behind his wardrobe choices, just so we're reminded of the ones who are held back. | ||
| In fact, he took to black simply because it was easier to keep clean on long tours. | ||
| Yeah, look at that. | ||
| Early in his career, fellow acts teased him about it, calling him The Undertaker. | ||
| Oh shit, he was The Undertaker. | ||
| Before The Undertaker was The Undertaker. | ||
| Sorry. | ||
| Yeah, these lyrics could really... | ||
| I mean, they're this time right now. | ||
| They're so good. | ||
| He was a monster, man. | ||
| Johnny Cash's a monster. | ||
| Yeah, he was cool as fuck. | ||
| He's a monster. | ||
| He just had this energy about him. | ||
| Are those like colas? | ||
| Yeah, they're Zevia's. | ||
| It's a stevia-flavored beverage, so it doesn't have any calories. | ||
| It's guilt-free. | ||
| Guilt-free mouth pleasure. | ||
| Mouth pleasure. | ||
| Yeah, man. | ||
| He had songs that were... | ||
| There's so many of them that were just... | ||
| If you think about the time that he was writing them... | ||
| And to come up through the sun scene and Elvis and all that. | ||
| That was a weird thing. | ||
| He came in through Memphis. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| Yeah, he was a beast, man. | ||
| No question. | ||
| It seemed like he kind of died on his own terms. | ||
| He died like a man. | ||
| He died after June died. | ||
| It was like right after June died. | ||
| That was also the way he was handling it, too. | ||
| You know? | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| When he did that Nine Inch Nails song... | ||
| Yeah, Hurt? | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| Yeah, that was awesome. | ||
| That was intense. | ||
| Intense. | ||
| See if you can find that video. | ||
| It was on Mushrooms the first time I saw that video. | ||
| I was in my room here in LA in the Star Gun house that was the pink house over by the Tomcat Theater on Santa Monica Boulevard. | ||
| Do you know what I'm talking about? | ||
| No. | ||
| Paris Nude, the place where you can go in there. | ||
| Oh, where's it at? | ||
| You can go in there and take pictures of women. | ||
| It's Santa Monica and Gardner. | ||
| Okay. | ||
| Anyway, this little pink house we had over there. | ||
| And I was watching that video on mushrooms, and I was like, fucking goddamn. | ||
| Let me see this. | ||
| Did you find it? | ||
| Yeah, I was trying to find out a year. | ||
| It's 2002? | ||
| When did Johnny die? | ||
| I think 2005 or something like that? | ||
| No, it was like three. | ||
| I was living in this apartment by the Beverly Center, and I remember that when that happened. | ||
| Did you say three, Jamie? | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| I saw him there. | ||
| I got to be around him a lot when I was on the road. | ||
| When I was, like, the first High Women record came out, I was six, five, and we all went on the road. | ||
| So, like, Willie's daughters, Amy and Paula, were out. | ||
| No, actually, maybe they were out. | ||
| I think they were out. | ||
| The Christophersons had their family. | ||
| And then we went again for High Women, too. | ||
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But when we were, like, five-year-olds, I wish we could play music on this show. | |
| I'll play that Highwayman song. | ||
| I fucking love that song. | ||
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And when Johnny comes on, I fly a starship. | |
| I flew a goddamn space car. | ||
| Across the universe divide. | ||
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And when I reach the other side. | |
| That was a great fucking album. | ||
| It was a great song. | ||
| Have those guys all together. | ||
| Yeah, it was cool. | ||
| Chips Melman produced that record. | ||
| Phenomenal shit. | ||
| I fly a starship. | ||
| Jimmy Webb wrote that. | ||
| By the time I get to Phoenix, Galveston. | ||
| He wrote MacArthur Park. | ||
| He wrote that motherfucker of a songwriter. | ||
| And that song is kind of about reincarnation. | ||
| It's like his original song is about one person who lived through these different lives, and then he ends up being a simple drop of rain after the starship. | ||
| And he's a highwayman. | ||
| Fuck. | ||
| It's amazing. | ||
| That's what we're scared of. | ||
| We're scared of being a single drop of rain again. | ||
| I'd love it. | ||
| It'd be so much fun. | ||
| I don't know, dude. | ||
| I'm having a good time. | ||
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Yeah. | |
| I know, but wouldn't it be easy just to fall for five seconds? | ||
| It was sure. | ||
| For sure. | ||
| Absolutely. | ||
| And on to the next forever. | ||
| How about that? | ||
| How about for billions of years? | ||
| How about you go back to being a single-celled organism? | ||
| You start from scratch, go through evolution again. | ||
| You're like, no way! | ||
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Totally. | |
| But you did it. | ||
| It doesn't matter. | ||
| What matters is the moment. | ||
| And that's an impossible concept to grasp for people who collect stamps. | ||
| You've got a bunch of shit you're holing up in your house because you're trying to put some sort of rigidity to this. | ||
| If ethereal world that we live in, you're trying to put some structure to this. | ||
| And everybody forgets to enjoy it. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| And I think that's kind of part of the point earlier, too, is it's just like, man, everybody gets wrapped up. | ||
| You said you were talking about When you were just afterwards, but you were talking about everybody gets sucked up into all these different, you know, fucking confrontations all the time. | ||
| And it takes all of your attention. | ||
| Dude, I think we can change that. | ||
| I really do. | ||
| I think that's fixable. | ||
| I think albums aren't listened to like they used to be because we used to have so much time, man. | ||
| You used to sit in your room and that's all you had. | ||
| And now there's this constant focus. | ||
| It's like, there's a way. | ||
| And I think the only answer is there's going to have to be some established decentralization of the internet that returns it to the form in which all can exist digitally as they do physically, just like we do now. | ||
| And we're going to have to figure it out as a society. | ||
| I think that's coming, dude. | ||
| I don't think anyone's going to be able to stop it. | ||
| No regulation. | ||
| Because one of the things that's interesting is the people at the very top of the heap... | ||
| We always thought were the proponents of free speech. | ||
| We always thought that the repressive people were the right-wing conservative people that wanted to stop progress and stop nudity and people smoking pot and, you know, and Tipper Gore wants to ban rap music. | ||
| Remember all that? | ||
| That's what we always thought. | ||
| Actually, Tipper Gore was a Democrat. | ||
| That's a very bad analogy. | ||
| Tipper Gore was Al Gore's wife. | ||
| Remember Tipper Gore? | ||
| She had the stickers put on it. | ||
| Stickers, yeah. | ||
| Explicit lyrics. | ||
| She got ahold of some fucking old-school iced tea and blew her wig. | ||
| But we always – that's a bad example because she was a Democrat. | ||
| It's a great example. | ||
| But it is an example of like – forget about Democrats or Republicans. | ||
| It's basically people in power trying to control other folks. | ||
| This has been going on forever. | ||
| Right. | ||
| It's just what people do. | ||
| But we always thought of it as being the conservative ones that were like the most – The most into suppression of free speech, stop people from swearing, stop the nudity, stop the pornography. | ||
| It was always thought of as being a conservative thing. | ||
| But I would argue today, it's almost like your behavior is more restricted on the left than it is even on the right. | ||
| The right has seemed to be more relaxed in terms of what they're willing to let people do. | ||
| But the left is putting up all these boundaries for what people can and can't say, do and don't do. | ||
| Tom Segura sent me this photograph of some sort of a sketch comedy group where they were trying to figure out what you can and can't do today and what is okay to do in a sketch. | ||
| And a lot of it was about gay people and trans people. | ||
| And can you be a straight cis man playing a trans person? | ||
| All caps. | ||
| Absolutely not. | ||
| Can you be a cis person or can you be a trans person playing a cis person? | ||
| YES! All caps. | ||
| You can do whatever you want. | ||
| If you're a trans person who's a woman, you can play a man, and that's totally cool. | ||
| But if you're Shooter Jennings and you go, you know what, man? | ||
| I just think it would be cool to do a movie where I play a chick. | ||
| No chance, buddy. | ||
| You're not allowed to make believe in that way. | ||
| You can't make believe in a certain way. | ||
| They're basically saying, your thoughts are not allowed to go down these roads. | ||
| There's no way you could manage this respectfully and with enough dignity. | ||
| Who's saying that? | ||
| People who are crazy. | ||
| But this is my point. | ||
| These people exist. | ||
| And they're on the left now. | ||
| They're super inclusive. | ||
| Super worried about diversity. | ||
| Super worried about people of color. | ||
| And there's all these weird words that are thrown around. | ||
| Game words. | ||
| I wish George Carlin was alive. | ||
| I want to know what he would say. | ||
| No, I just want to know what he would say. | ||
| He'd bring him back to life and kill him again with a hard time. | ||
| He would say what's similar to what you're saying, what I'm saying, I think, but probably better. | ||
| He would just tell... | ||
| Oh, he'd be so... | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| I just want to know. | ||
| I just would die to know what he would say. | ||
| This is... | ||
| I mean, to use the title of my tour, these are strange times. | ||
| Legitimately strange times. | ||
| Stranger than we've ever experienced before as a human race, I think. | ||
| Yeah, oh, I think so. | ||
| I think we're on the beginning of it. | ||
| That's the fucked up things. | ||
| I think that, like, the internet is the thing, the linchpin that changed society in such a way. | ||
| Like you said, the adolescent phase is what we're in. | ||
| It's a storm, dude. | ||
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Maybe it's a toddler phase. | |
| A storm of information. | ||
| It's a goddamn hailstorm. | ||
| You ever seen those hailstorms where they hit those Ohio backyards and fuck up the pool and everybody's in Scott screaming and you're here in the house like it's getting attacked by rocks? | ||
| That's what it is. | ||
| It's one of those hailstorms of information. | ||
| Yeah, man. | ||
| There's never been anything like it. | ||
| And it's good. | ||
| It's good. | ||
| But we just got to be nice to each other. | ||
| We're all together in this thing together. | ||
| That's the thing too, man. | ||
| If people are nice, other people will be nice back. | ||
| This is the thing. | ||
| We got to realize that. | ||
| If you're nice, other people would be nice too. | ||
| We got to be nice to each other. | ||
| And that includes online. | ||
| And then we've got to be nice about all the other things in the world. | ||
| There's just so much that has to be thought of. | ||
| So much that has to be thought of, not with this idea that you're going to live forever. | ||
| Because a lot of the way we behave is almost like we think we're going to live forever. | ||
| Instead of having this short trip where you should just kind of be as friendly with people as possible. | ||
| And this is also something that should be projected. | ||
| I should project it. | ||
| You should project it. | ||
| We should all get that idea out there so that we all agree. | ||
| Like, yeah. | ||
| We could do this. | ||
| Even competition, it doesn't have to be that kind of conflict. | ||
| Even if you're neighboring businesses, you can be friends and everybody will do well together. | ||
| There's a lot of people, man. | ||
| This is not a time where you have to control everything and everyone, nor should you want to. | ||
| It's like a giant summer camp. | ||
| Life is just your piece of it. | ||
| That's a good way to describe it, dude. | ||
| My kids are going to have their own summer camp that's going to happen, or are on their way at the beginning of it. | ||
| Yeah, these counselors ain't controlling shit. | ||
| People are finger-banging each other in fucking outhouses. | ||
| You can't let a bunch of 14-year-olds run around the forest together. | ||
| They're gonna fuck! | ||
| Every four years, the head counselor changes. | ||
| It's some guy. | ||
| It's like, last time I was like, oh, we love that guy. | ||
| And this guy's like, no. | ||
| Nobody from the other neighboring camps are coming in. | ||
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You're like, okay. | |
| It's fine. | ||
| We're partying. | ||
| We vaguely knew. | ||
| When I was in Boy Scouts, we vaguely knew that there was a potential that one of these camp counselors might molest you. | ||
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We vaguely knew. | |
| People knew. | ||
| Don't go to the bathroom with them. | ||
| No one ever did. | ||
| But there was that thought when we were like, I guess I was 13 or something like that when I was in the Boy Scouts. | ||
| There was that thought like, hey man, this could go fucking sideways anytime. | ||
| We're in the woods with some dudes that want to be in the woods with kids. | ||
| How well did they vet these people? | ||
| See, different strokes taught me that. | ||
| Yeah, are these people like legit Boy Scout, you know, instructors or whatever they be who really want to show everybody the way of the woods? | ||
| Yes, most likely. | ||
| It's amazing. | ||
| Amazing experience for young men. | ||
| But just as human beings, anytime you get human beings, anytime you get a certain group of human beings and you leave them alone with large groups of kids, You gotta be super careful with what their motives are and how they handle pressure and how they deal with conflict and how they deal with sex. | ||
| Were you ever molested? | ||
| Tell me when you were molested. | ||
| What happened? | ||
| These are weird issues when you're talking about dealing with children and dealing with them. | ||
| The youngest ones are eight and ten. | ||
| Yeah, see mine's seven and ten. | ||
| It's a weird time when you're watching little human beings evolve and develop. | ||
| It's hard to let it go too, you know, for me and I know for But the analogy you just had was perfect. | ||
| It is really like summer camp. | ||
| But it's funny how, like, you know, from the day you're born, the day after somebody else's summer camp starts and it kind of kind of generationally goes on forever. | ||
| And you kind of like realize that you're stuck in this like movie. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| In which that you have to try and do the best. | ||
| You know, like for me, it's like do the best with like your family and the people you love. | ||
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Yeah. | |
| And then have the most fun and do the most damage in a good way. | ||
| By the way, all the people out there that are summer camp counselors are mad at me right now. | ||
| I'm not saying... | ||
| You're worried about that after this conversation? | ||
| I don't want anybody to feel bad. | ||
| The vast majority of you are awesome. | ||
| We're just talking about, in general, human beings. | ||
| It's the sheer numbers of human beings. | ||
| If you get a certain number of people, there's a certain percentage of those people that are going to be a problem. | ||
| This is the problem with cops. | ||
| It's not that cops are bad people. | ||
| So when you say fuck cops, you're crazy. | ||
| You're gonna need cops, okay? | ||
| If something goes wrong at 4 o'clock in the morning, you want the man who has the courage to stand there with the bulletproof vest and shoot at the bad guys. | ||
| It's the, you know, Sam... | ||
| Sam, what's his name from Three Billboards, you know? | ||
| It was such a good role. | ||
| You know what I'm talking about in that movie? | ||
| Three Billboards. | ||
| Sam, who's in... | ||
| Sam... | ||
| God, he's so great. | ||
| The actor? | ||
| Yeah, he was in... | ||
| I did not see that movie. | ||
| Hitchhiker's Guide from the Galaxy. | ||
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Sam Elliott. | |
| Sam Elliott. | ||
| No, no, no, no. | ||
| No, we love... | ||
| Not Sam Elliott. | ||
| That's a good one, though. | ||
| Sometimes they borrow it to you. | ||
| No, Sam... | ||
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What else do you have? | |
| We're playing charades. | ||
| He was in Hitchhiker's Guide from the Galaxy. | ||
| He was in a great movie called Joshua. | ||
| He was... | ||
| Zephod Beeblebrox or whatever. | ||
| What is it, Jamie? | ||
| Three billboards. | ||
| Sam Rockwell! | ||
| Dude, that role is amazing. | ||
| He's in that movie The Moon. | ||
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Oh, yeah, I love it. | |
| Bowie's Kid did. | ||
| Have you met Bowie's Kid? | ||
| No. | ||
| The Duncan Jones? | ||
| I've never met him, but he's awesome. | ||
| That movie was awesome. | ||
| Is that what it's called? | ||
| The Moon? | ||
| Just Moon. | ||
| That was great. | ||
| I met him because he was dating Leslie Bibb. | ||
| Yeah, they're married now. | ||
| They were dating back then. | ||
| When I worked with her in a movie, I did a Kevin James movie Zookeeper with her. | ||
| I was her ex-boyfriend who was a douchebag. | ||
| I saw that. | ||
| Fun, fun movie. | ||
| Dude, she's super cool, man. | ||
| You want to talk about someone who's funny? | ||
| That girl from Talladega Nights. | ||
| Jenny Johnson's friends with her. | ||
| They hang out a lot. | ||
| Oh, that makes sense. | ||
| She's super fucking cool. | ||
| Really smart, too. | ||
| But I met Rockwell there, and that was the thing that really got to me. | ||
| Like, dude, that movie, Moon, is fucking amazing. | ||
| That movie, Moon, it is a movie... | ||
| This is how unusual this movie is. | ||
| There are no other actors. | ||
| I know. | ||
| It's amazing. | ||
| It's Sam Rockwell through the whole movie. | ||
| Didn't Martian feel like a diet moon when you saw it? | ||
| I felt that way. | ||
| I didn't because it was different. | ||
| It was more about the hazards of colonization and without giving anything away with this movie. | ||
| I can't give anything away because this movie is a mindfuck at the end. | ||
| It's a mindfuck the whole way. | ||
| It's a mindfuck. | ||
| I thought it was a diet Martian. | ||
| I thought the Martian was a diet man. | ||
| Maybe. | ||
| I thought it was just another... | ||
| Well, listen, man. | ||
| There's nothing wrong with doing a take on someone colonizing another planet. | ||
| We have to be real careful about that. | ||
| No, no, no. | ||
| It's completely separate. | ||
| It was a book and everything. | ||
| Just for me, in my eight-year-old movie going and seeing in person, I was like... | ||
| Man, it's good, but it wasn't like Moon. | ||
| I know, but I have this problem with people are scared to do those fucking space movies. | ||
| Do some more goddamn space movies. | ||
| You know what I watch? | ||
| I watch it on the plane over here. | ||
| I watch Alien Covenant again. | ||
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Love it. | |
| I've seen it five times. | ||
| Actually, every plane flight I take, I already have them downloaded on this fucking iPhone. | ||
| And I watch Prometheus and that back and forth. | ||
| You should go to jail for watching Alien Covenant on an iPhone. | ||
| I know, but you know what? | ||
| I got it. | ||
| It's there. | ||
| I don't have to have the internet. | ||
| Right. | ||
| And I have to pay for it. | ||
| If it's on the thing, I'll watch it. | ||
| You ever use that on Apple TV where you stream it from your phone to your TV? Yeah, I know, I know. | ||
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That's incredible. | |
| That's a lot of work. | ||
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What? | |
| That's a lot of work. | ||
| Takes two swipes. | ||
| I know, I know. | ||
| But look, I feel like that Alien Covenant was such a fucking good movie. | ||
| So good, man. | ||
| And they like canceled or something. | ||
| I heard he had another one, Alien Awakening, which was supposed to deal with the time before, after Prometheus and into Alien Covenant. | ||
| It was supposed to be the ship ride or whatever. | ||
| And I'm like, and they were going to shut it down? | ||
| They're crazy. | ||
| Here's what happens, man, when you get to a certain level of money when you're investing in those kind of films. | ||
| There's a threshold. | ||
| Yeah, there's a threshold because they're so expensive to make. | ||
| There's so much CGI and so much chaos and special effects and... | ||
| And Alien Covenant had a great fucking plot, too. | ||
| I mean, everything was great. | ||
| There were so many twists and turns, and the aliens were terrifying. | ||
| They explained them. | ||
| I mean, there was so much to it. | ||
| It was really fucking good. | ||
| But the problem is, Prometheus, for a lot of people, was less than what they wanted. | ||
| It wasn't that it was a bad movie. | ||
| I really liked it. | ||
| I thought it was fantastic. | ||
| But they were setting some shit up, and it didn't do that well. | ||
| And we were spending... | ||
| I don't know how much the fuck they spent on those movies, but they're super, super expensive. | ||
| It's one of them. | ||
| I mean, Aliens 2 is James Cameron. | ||
| This is like Blade Runner-level shit, in my opinion, in the sense where, at first, it doesn't seem like it's a massive thing, but it's just like, for life, it's that. | ||
| Like, Prometheus is fantastic. | ||
| And the question that it opens, and the second piece where... | ||
| I gotta shout out to Blake Judd, because he said, hey, man... | ||
| You're going to see it, but you're going to leave and you're going to be mad because you're going to have way more questions than before. | ||
| And then I told the same thing to Sturgill. | ||
| He was like, I'm about to go see Covenant. | ||
| I was like, dude, you're going to be mad. | ||
| I wasn't mad at all. | ||
| No, I'm just saying because I want to see the next one. | ||
| I want to know more. | ||
| You still don't know the engineer thing. | ||
| They seeded. | ||
| That was just one of their planets, like our planet. | ||
| That they seated and they went there. | ||
| So you're like, the next one should, or at least like the finishing story, they said they want to make a War of the Worlds kind of thing, where it was like all of a sudden these people descend and it's the two opposing kind of parties, which is the David side and then maybe us. | ||
| I think that's brilliant writing. | ||
| It's fucking fantastic. | ||
| Well, what you got to realize is that movie, the original Alien, goes back to 1979. Sigourney Weaver. | ||
| When she was as hot as the surface of the sun. | ||
| And she was running. | ||
| She's the original feminist superhero. | ||
| Sigourney Weaver is the fucking original badass woman in movies fucking up monsters. | ||
| She's the original. | ||
| All these other movies that came afterwards, whether they're fun, you love them, Resident Evil type shit, or who was that? | ||
| Kate Beckinsale chick who was a vampire kicking people in the head. | ||
| I never saw those. | ||
| Underworld. | ||
| All those super badass chicks in movies. | ||
| They all owe Sigourney Weaver. | ||
| She was believable, man. | ||
| She was a scientist. | ||
| A scientist or whatever the fuck her job was on that spaceship. | ||
| And she was the only one who lived in that movie. | ||
| Spoiler alert, it's 1979. I'm sure you've already seen it. | ||
| But in that movie, they were worried about artificial intelligence. | ||
| That's amazing. | ||
| H.R. Geiger designed all that shit, the space jockey and all that. | ||
| But just stop and think about, they were worried about artificial intelligence back in 1979. And that's like, when you talk to Elon Musk, it's like one of his primary concerns. | ||
| No, he's supposed to do the podcast. | ||
| I was in his physical presence at the UFC, but I didn't get a chance to communicate with him. | ||
| He was with his lady, but we had been going back and forth through email, so it was extra weird. | ||
| But I'm working. | ||
| When I'm doing the commentary, man, I'm trying to be... | ||
| I don't want to suck. | ||
| People get mad at me. | ||
| I try to do my best. | ||
| I try to focus. | ||
| I can't go, Yo, Elon! | ||
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| Dude, these fights are crazy, bro! | ||
| There's no real room for that. | ||
| But he's worried about artificial intelligence more than anything. | ||
| You're talking about a super genius that has an electric car company, a rocket ship company. | ||
| He's drilling holes under the fucking ground. | ||
| He sells flamethrowers. | ||
| I mean, get the fuck out of here. | ||
| If this is the guy that's worried about artificial intelligence, we should be paying attention. | ||
| And if you go back to... | ||
| By the way, there was an article, I want to say it was the LA Times, that compared Elon Musk to Donald Trump. | ||
| It was like one of the most click-baity articles. | ||
| They're fighting for their lives out there, man! | ||
| These fucking journalists, they're fighting for their lives! | ||
| Good for them. | ||
| They gotta get those clicks! | ||
| God, I'm all tangled up in this thing. | ||
| Your chain? | ||
| Man, I love guys who are crazy and ambitious and make shit. | ||
| Like, Elon Musk, whatever is happening with him... | ||
| The fact that he's like Whatever, I'll figure it out later. | ||
| You just let it go and figure it itself out. | ||
| That's what's amazing. | ||
| As soon as you let it go, that's how high you are. | ||
| Thanks, man. | ||
| You thought you were tangled. | ||
| You're not even tangled. | ||
| You're like making it tangled. | ||
| Man, I'm a bro. | ||
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I'm not that hard. | |
| You gotta break free, bro. | ||
| You gotta break free of these chains. | ||
| No, I just like guys. | ||
| You know what? | ||
| I'll talk about Sturgill for a minute. | ||
| I have to shout out to the Blocktronics crew, my antsy artist. | ||
| I was talking about computers and BBSs and Blocktronics are an antsy artist group. | ||
| They're great. | ||
| Sturgill. | ||
| It's so cool to watch him come up and he's got this kind of angle. | ||
| I just love watching him on your show and I just have to say us hanging out and everything all these years later. | ||
| He just has a sense where I feel like, wow, there's a rocket ship in this universe and we kind of speak the same language and it's like a cool vibe kind of having another dude out there who Who has the same sensibilities and like when we hang out, you and me and him and everything, I feel like it's, you know what I mean? | ||
| I know what you mean. | ||
| He's a bad motherfucker. | ||
| I'm honored to be his friend too. | ||
| I'm honored to be your friend too, man. | ||
| For real. | ||
| I'm honored to be your friend. | ||
| You took me, I came to go see you play and you took us in and then Dave Chappelle played right after you're like, oh yeah, hey, my friend Dave's gonna do a thing and then he came up. | ||
| You killed it, and then he killed it, and that was crazy, man. | ||
| That was awesome. | ||
| We're all lucky to know each other. | ||
| It's fun. | ||
| It's fun to know cool people. | ||
| But Sturgill has got some new shit coming out, man. | ||
| He shared some stuff with me. | ||
| He sent me some images and explained what he's doing. | ||
| I can't wait to hear it. | ||
| It sounds fantastic. | ||
| It's going to be a while. | ||
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Oh, yeah. | |
| He sent me some little clips of his record. | ||
| I'm super stoked. | ||
| I can't say nothing about it. | ||
| I'm on fucking super stoked. | ||
| I accidentally leaked the title of his last album. | ||
| Accidentally. | ||
| Say this guy? | ||
| He sent it to me in advance. | ||
| And I put it up on Instagram. | ||
| And I said, this new Sturgill Simpson shit is off the charts. | ||
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I didn't know you didn't. | |
| Yes, I did. | ||
| I didn't know. | ||
| And then he's like, dude, you fucked up. | ||
| I was like, oh no! | ||
| And he was laughing. | ||
| He thought it was funny. | ||
| It looked like it just let people know about something awesome early. | ||
| But I was listening to it in the gym. | ||
| And while I was listening to it, I was in the middle of sets. | ||
| And I was like, god damn, this is good. | ||
| And then I just, I gotta Instagram this shit. | ||
| And I Instagrammed it. | ||
| I didn't know him. | ||
| Hey, that's cool, dude. | ||
| You did the same thing with my old record. | ||
| You put a picture of it up. | ||
| You just screen-grabbed your phone. | ||
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Yeah. | |
| No, I like to do that, man. | ||
| I appreciate it. | ||
| Hey, man, I appreciate your music, for real. | ||
| Thanks. | ||
| I was in Italy, and I was about to work out. | ||
| You know how you have those iPhones where they have that little cord with a button? | ||
| You can press the button, and it'll just start playing whatever you got on your iPhone? | ||
| It just goes right to Cool Mo D. I go to work. | ||
| You know that song, I go to work? | ||
| I go to work like a boxer, you know, it's like it's a great like I go to work song So I'm about to work out and this fucking song comes on almost like the universe is letting you know look dude Just just don't try to think this through too much Just press that button the songs there. | ||
| I don't know why it's there You don't know why it's there either stop thinking about it, but it's there right when you needed it that songs there I go to work And then you go to work. | ||
| It's weird. | ||
| This is theater. | ||
| This whole thing is theater in some sort of strange way. | ||
| Summer camp. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| There's some part of life that's seriously theater. | ||
| Right, man. | ||
| I mean, to me, the older I get, I just feel like the more appreciative for, like, my dumber self for having gotten through it without more damage being done. | ||
| Right. | ||
| So at this point in time, you know, like, I just really appreciate everybody who puts an effort into life. | ||
| You know what I mean? | ||
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Yeah. | |
| It's like you just... | ||
| I don't know. | ||
| It's like you and this show and how you've had this awesome career. | ||
| And then I only met you the first time when I came on this show, and I smoked pot in the parking lot, and I was kind of out of it. | ||
| And I was like, oh, and I came here and didn't even bring a record. | ||
| That's why this time I was like, I had to make sure we had a record. | ||
| My record's called Shooter. | ||
| It's out now. | ||
| I have to say something. | ||
| I didn't talk about it at all. | ||
| John Hensley, my manager back then, he called me and said, you didn't even talk about the record once. | ||
| And I was like, shit, I don't know, man. | ||
| We just got talking. | ||
| I mean, that's how it is with you, you know, but I love doing that with you because it's like, I'll go down the rabbit hole, man. | ||
| I'll go down the Alex Jones rabbit hole. | ||
| I think people are scared to do that. | ||
| I don't think there's anything wrong with having thoughts. | ||
| I think we've got to stop yelling at people. | ||
| We've got to stop yelling. | ||
| I think the anger that we express towards each other forces anger in return when it's not always necessary. | ||
| Sometimes it's necessary. | ||
| Sometimes you see Nazis in Charlottesville and you've got to go, hey, you dumb fucks. | ||
| Are you out of your fucking mind? | ||
| You really want to categorize people by race. | ||
| This is 2018. You gotta stop. | ||
| This is some stupid shit. | ||
| I think the positive look at all of that is the numbers of those kind of insane people have dwindled to a point. | ||
| Because I remember when I was a kid and there would be like still Klan people and stuff. | ||
| Which is the argument for free speech. | ||
| The argument for free speech is ultimately people figured out and it balances out. | ||
| And it does. | ||
| I think it does. | ||
| And it doesn't totally because... | ||
| Let's just be completely honest. | ||
| Some people do a terrible job raising children, and these children go out into the world, and they're just causing damage everywhere they go. | ||
| They're on fire, and they're just running through dry bushes their entire life, right? | ||
| They're creating chaos, and it's from what set them off when they were young, how they evolved. | ||
| To expect everyone to have the same starting point and be judged on your emotional behavior, Your impulsiveness, your dishonesty, or your discipline, to be judged on those as if you all started from the same spot on the board is just crazy. | ||
| It's just crazy. | ||
| This is part of what we do. | ||
| We judge based on results only. | ||
| And when we see someone who fucked up, we don't go, okay, what happened to this person that made them so fucking crazy? | ||
| Like, is it really their fault? | ||
| Or is there a series of events that lead to you being who you are right now? | ||
| And maybe we should remap it. | ||
| Maybe we should remap it and just look at it in a different way and say, We definitely don't want that result again, ever, right? | ||
| We've got to figure out why you got to that result. | ||
| What made you break into the bank and put a gun in someone's face? | ||
| How did you get there? | ||
| That's true. | ||
| It's like Manson said in the Bowling for Columbine. | ||
| They said, what would you say to the Columbine killers? | ||
| He said, I would ask them their opinion, because it seems like nobody asked them their opinion. | ||
| You know what I mean? | ||
| Yeah, ask them what the fuck happened. | ||
| Are they both dead? | ||
| They're both dead, right? | ||
| Well, it's tough to ask them their opinion. | ||
| It doesn't make a lot of sense. | ||
| Ask someone who broke. | ||
| What made you break? | ||
| We've all broken in little ways in our lives, and we've all lived through it, and we all appreciate other people who have done the same thing. | ||
| And when you get to a point when you get old enough where you realize you can watch when someone Yeah. | ||
| through in ways you kind of find it you know those are the kind of people that i like that that will go and talk to that person because yeah i can see that and i think that you're absolutely one of those kind of people because i've actually had conversations with you when we were backstage at the comedy store or wherever we were when that night happened we had a conversation i don't quite remember the whole thing but it was about music and about listening music and it's like you're a compassionate dude and people who that's that's all i'm not sure about it but i'm not sure about It's about compassion. | ||
| It's about compassion and stability. | ||
| It's about recognizing the best times come when we're nice to each other. | ||
| If you go to a bar and there's a bunch of strange dudes you never met in your life, and an hour later you guys are high-fiving and laughing and hugging each other and you're buying rounds, that's a great time. | ||
| Or you can go to a bar and someone wants to get in a dick-waving competition, next thing you know you got hit in the back of the head by a chair. | ||
| That's possible too. | ||
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Right. | |
| Both things are possible. | ||
| You know when one feels way better? | ||
| The one that feels way better is the one where you meet a bunch of new friends. | ||
| And these guys who you never met before are now your buddies. | ||
| And then you realize, like, I just ran into a fucking bunch of awesome dudes who are now some of my favorite people ever. | ||
| And if I didn't go out that night, who knows what would have happened? | ||
| Just randomly ran into a group of amazing people and it changed the course of your whole life. | ||
| Right. | ||
| That's possible too, man. | ||
| But we've got to be that friend at the bar. | ||
| We've got to be that new friend at the bar. | ||
| It's possible to do that, man. | ||
| I think a lot of it is just the way we think of each other. | ||
| There's a problem in our operating system. | ||
| We have an ultra-competitive operating system and things we shouldn't be competitive in. | ||
| And I think part of the reason is we've lost a lot of competitiveness in life. | ||
| I think people were competitive in life in ways where they were fighting for their survival, right? | ||
| They're fighting neighboring tribes in the most brutal and primitive of days. | ||
| Social media. | ||
| Yeah, and then as things changed and moved forward, that got less and less physical and more and more mental, and the body got frustrated. | ||
| I think this is part of what's happening along the way. | ||
| And then people started looking for competition in business. | ||
| You ever hear weirdo business guys talk, we're going to fucking stuff their contract right up their fucking asses! | ||
| They get all crazy like they're starting a war, man. | ||
| You know, like super hyper hyped up business guys. | ||
| Yeah, my competition has always been disparaging me with unique remarks about my past. | ||
| You know, they get fucking so... | ||
| They want to kill the competition. | ||
| Those people are weird, man. | ||
| They're weird. | ||
| They're focusing on it the wrong way. | ||
| That's some dinosaur shit. | ||
| Yeah, yeah. | ||
| Well, that's the money thing. | ||
| That's like if you're in the money game. | ||
| Yeah, but you don't have to do that to be in the—even in the money game, you don't have to do that anymore. | ||
| I guess. | ||
| I mean, you're right. | ||
| But if you do—you know what I mean. | ||
| I get it. | ||
| You do something you love. | ||
| You pursue angles like you chose to pursue lots—like, similar to me, we're similar in this way. | ||
| Like, you chose to pursue all these little different angles of the universe that are in the entertainment business. | ||
| But they are also, like, things you love, like the UFC and then, you know, all the different little—I mean— You've had so many different little angles that you've occupied to land up here, where you get to just talk about all the shit that you love. | ||
| Yeah, but dude, it doesn't make sense even to me. | ||
| I wake up in the morning, like today, I wake up, I go and work out, and I'm sitting there going, what am I doing? | ||
| Dude, look at this place! | ||
| It's fucking awesome! | ||
| It's crazy. | ||
| Honestly, I would love to just – You wake up in the morning like, how does this happen? | ||
| I'm the same way. | ||
| You have an archery thing. | ||
| I would have old computers in that wall and I would have like a pinball machine and a bunch of old arcade games. | ||
| I have my own taste. | ||
| But like you got – honestly, it's a – you have found your path and it's awesome and you're compassionate and you're here and you weren't in it. | ||
| If you were in it for the money, you'd be somewhere else. | ||
| You're in it for what you like to do. | ||
| I don't even know what I'm doing. | ||
| I don't know why I'm in it. | ||
| You're talking for me right now. | ||
| You're giving more thought to it in the last couple seconds. | ||
| You're going to cook eight eggs in the morning. | ||
| You're going to be a great dad. | ||
| And then you're going to go do what you love to do and come home. | ||
| And that's awesome. | ||
| I just do what the Great Magnet compels me to do. | ||
| I'm merely metal filings, moving through the universe, headed towards the Great Magnet. | ||
| Let's get metaphysical now, in the last 10 minutes. | ||
| For sure. | ||
| I've decided, one of the things I've been thinking about recently, especially over the last, like, maybe 10 years of my life, I've decided way less things than I did in the first years of my life. | ||
| It seems to me things just sort of happen. | ||
| It's like the reverse of the Bob Seger thing. | ||
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Working on our night moves? | |
| Trying to make some front page traveling news. | ||
| Yeah, my kids excel past me already all the time. | ||
| Just yesterday. | ||
| I mean, they tricked me and they do things and they're smarter and they're, you know, nothing I could do could impress them more than what they can do by watching what I can do and doing it better. | ||
| Well, how about when they do, they fucking grab electronics, they figure it out, they're like, give me that, you don't know how to do this, you gotta go into settings, then you go down here, and you're like, you're eight. | ||
| How the fuck can you do this? | ||
| My daughter programs in Minecraft, you can program these red blocks. | ||
| You gotta use a VPN, you get blocked. | ||
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What? | |
| Oh yeah, oh yeah. | ||
| I have to shout out to my IRC people. | ||
| Oh, yeah. | ||
| IRC? You still use IRC? Oh, yeah. | ||
| I'm still on it. | ||
| Damn, son. | ||
| Do you have a ham radio in your backyard? | ||
| There is a BCR, my record label that I own with Adam. | ||
| There's a BCR IRC server. | ||
| What is a BCR? BCR is Black Country Rock. | ||
| It's the label that I put out. | ||
| This record's on Elektra through LCS and Dave Cobb, his label. | ||
| Yep, there we go. | ||
| I keep looking at the cameras that are not this place. | ||
| Yeah, the camera's on. | ||
| It's too freaky. | ||
| We used to have the cameras on while we were on, but it was too weird. | ||
| Yeah, probably. | ||
| Hard to be yourself. | ||
| I think they were on actually last time. | ||
| Yeah, it was too weird. | ||
| Too freaked everybody out. | ||
| Especially when we'd start getting high. | ||
| You're like, well, this is not right. | ||
| I don't want to know. | ||
| We have a thing called bcrbazaar.com. | ||
| And it's like a place where fans come and they talk and we have an IRC server. | ||
| So there's one all day and I'm on it all day and I talk to people. | ||
| That is so ridiculous. | ||
| You just gave people that out? | ||
| Now people are going to go there. | ||
| Good, I hope. | ||
| You're welcome, please. | ||
| I used to do IRC back in my Quake days. | ||
| Oh, yeah. | ||
| It was a great way to communicate. | ||
| Teams would communicate. | ||
| We'd give server addresses. | ||
| We're all going to meet up at the spot. | ||
| See, that shit was free as fuck. | ||
| The government didn't even know how to fucking trace a phone. | ||
| Literally, like... | ||
| Listen in on IRC back then like they had to pick up from the hackers like how to do it That was a very very different thing really a time when those all those message boards and all those things came up like Especially like the ability to you play games and talk to people in real time during games to do I'm one of the ways I learned how to type was from Learning how to type in game. | ||
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Yeah, right quick because you got to type quick quake one or like quick. | |
| What was known? | ||
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I started with quake, too But I had them Quake 2 and Quake 3. Multiplayer option. | |
| Quake 1. I mean, I was in Doom, so when Quake 1 came out, and Nine Inch Nails is my favorite band ever back then, and still was the influence for me. | ||
| He did the soundtrack to Quake. | ||
| I was like, holy shit! | ||
| It's funny that Misty, all these years later, she's like, I didn't have a computer, but I went and bought that soundtrack because Trent Reznor did it because she was into Nine Inch Nails. | ||
| I'm like, that's so hot. | ||
| She has the CD of it in our house still. | ||
| But anyway... | ||
| Man, I loved that. | ||
| And I used to do that, too. | ||
| And once the internet came on, I had a friend in Nashville, me and my buddy James and Greg. | ||
| Greg, this guy, ran a BBS, and he bought a Doom 2 server back then where it had four phone lines and modems in it, and we would dial in. | ||
| That's 56K days, son. | ||
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Yeah, totally. | |
| And we would play Doom 2, and I was listening to like... | ||
| White Zombie, Astro Creep 2000. I was probably 14, 13. I'm just jamming this shit out, man. | ||
| I was such a nerd. | ||
| Still am, man. | ||
| If you saw my house, you gotta come over sometime, but I've got like My office is like 1993. We watch Laserdiscs. | ||
| We have like old computers and like old shit everywhere. | ||
| So it's kind of frozen in a weird technological phase that I love. | ||
| That's hilarious. | ||
| That's awesome, man. | ||
| Yeah, you've always been like really into like weird internet type shit. | ||
| Like you're really into cryptocurrencies. | ||
| Yeah, man. | ||
| There's a thing called Peep... | ||
| It's like Peep E-T-H. It's on Twitter or whatever, but it's a Twitter alternative. | ||
| It's like – it's just starting, but it's interesting. | ||
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What's it called? | |
| Peep E-T-H? Well, Peep E-T-H is the – What does that mean? | ||
| Dot com is the thing. | ||
| It's like – kind of like Twitter, but it's built on the back of Ethereum and so every tweet – I'm not calling them tweets. | ||
| I should call it every message that you send on it, kind of like Twitter, is embedded in the blockchain of Ethereum. | ||
| Well, let's explain what this site says. | ||
| It says the values platform. | ||
| Hold on. | ||
| What did you do? | ||
| A blockchain powered social network for our best selves. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| Well, because you can't delete anything. | ||
| Because it's permanently embedded and it's like I think up to 10 of your messages can be logged in one block of the Ethereum chain. | ||
| So you have to pay like a cent of it, but they give you some to begin with. | ||
| And then when somebody messages you, it's kind of a microtransaction to you. | ||
| So you have this kind of balance that's going all the time. | ||
|
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Wait a minute. | |
| So do you have to open up an account or something? | ||
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No, no. | |
| You get a cent? | ||
| You can do it without any involvement. | ||
| But the way it works is because it's in transactions on a blockchain in Ethereum. | ||
| It's permanently lodged in this permanent digital ledger in which that these transactions are what's making it happen. | ||
| So like if you... | ||
| You log in and verify yourself, they give you like 30 cents, because that starts you out to be able to just kind of permanently do this in. | ||
| So you don't have to do any... | ||
| It sounds complicated, but it's cool. | ||
| I'm not saying... | ||
| I don't know if it'll become like the next Rage, but technologically, it's really fucking fun and cool. | ||
| You might be launching it right now. | ||
| Go back to that page again and expand on the right-hand side where it shows you all the different categories and the different values. | ||
| Look at this. | ||
| Make that larger. | ||
| Rethinking social media. | ||
| Bringing out our best with opinionated features and immutability. | ||
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Yeah. | |
| How often do you hear that word? | ||
| It's permanent. | ||
| What does that mean? | ||
| The ability to not mute, I believe. | ||
| Immutability. | ||
| So you can't mute people. | ||
| Okay. | ||
| We'll need to Google that in a moment. | ||
| Contact is openly and forever accessible on the Ethereum blockchain and IPFS, whatever that is. | ||
| Thoughtful. | ||
| It says permanent and creative constraints encourage mindful and self-aware peeps. | ||
| Okay, that was like a haiku. | ||
| That's like a fucking poem. | ||
| Listen to this again. | ||
| Permanence and creative. | ||
| Constraints encourage mindful and self-aware peeps. | ||
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That's... | |
| Hey, what is that? | ||
| I just stumbled across it, but I love it. | ||
| I love the technology. | ||
| I do too, but I mean, that was... | ||
| I don't understand what they just said. | ||
| Responsible. | ||
| Charity badges prevent suffering and inspire others. | ||
| 1,178 mosquito nets purchased so far. | ||
| Oh, that's amazing. | ||
| So they're purchasing mosquito nets. | ||
| No, that has to do with the actual platform, I think. | ||
| Oh, so it's not a real mosquito net? | ||
| No, I don't think so. | ||
| Oh. | ||
| I've never looked at this website. | ||
| I just found it through a thing. | ||
| No, they are. | ||
| They're buying mosquito badges to prevent malaria. | ||
| I'm getting paid because I had to go to Conan. | ||
| Oh, it's over. | ||
| I know. | ||
| I don't want it to be over. | ||
| I don't want it to be over either. | ||
| It's 3 o'clock. | ||
| Shooter, we've got to do this again. | ||
|
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Yeah, I love it. | |
| Come on, man. | ||
| I love it. | ||
| I have to find this, right? | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| I'm glad you started off that controversial subject of the Alex Jones thing, and I'm really glad that Bill Maher went on a ledge and said that even if you don't agree with someone, you're not supposed to silence their speech. | ||
| You know, I just don't think people are supposed to be alone yelling into the wilderness. | ||
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I agree. | |
| I think that's part of the problem. | ||
| The mob mentality thing is a problem. | ||
| But even him! | ||
| I don't think you're supposed to be able to do that. | ||
| I don't think he's supposed to be alone yelling off into the abyss. | ||
| My wife's calling me now. | ||
| She's telling you. | ||
| Everyone's freaking out. | ||
| Misty, I love you. | ||
| Everyone's freaking the fuck out. | ||
| It's just time, ladies and gentlemen. | ||
| It's a way of measuring distance. | ||
| Thank you for having me. | ||
| Shooter Jennings, you're the shit. | ||
| I love you so much. | ||
| I love you too, brother. | ||
| Shooter, it's out now. | ||
| ShooterJennings.com. | ||
| This shit's vinyl. | ||
| Old school, son. | ||
| All right. | ||
| Respect. | ||
| All right. |
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