Jimmy Dore and Joe Rogan dissect U.S. hypocrisy—Obama’s drone "kill list" vs. Putin’s journalist crackdowns—while exposing how allies like Netanyahu and Saudi Arabia evade scrutiny for war crimes, like Yemen’s school bus bombing. Dore links Assange’s persecution to broader suppression of dissent, citing Manning’s torture and the 1996 law shielding platforms from accountability, with Rogan questioning slippery "hate speech" labels and corporate censorship absurdities. They debate Alex Jones’ deplatforming, his shifting anti-right-wing stance, and whether leftist movements face similar manufactured backlash, like BLM’s FBI targeting. Dore’s unfiltered approach—abandoning self-censorship after touring success—contrasts with establishment media’s "wrestling" over narratives, proving truth-telling thrives outside partisan echo chambers. [Automatically generated summary]
But, I mean, just because other people are also bad guys doesn't negate his point of Putin being a bad guy.
What he was saying is just that it's very bizarre that the Republicans, these people that were, you know, at the forefront of the Cold War, these ones who, you know, these are the people that remember Khrushchev banging on the desk, you know, saying, we'll bury you with Kennedy.
These people are now...
Like, they're whitewashing Putin.
They're essentially, like, trying to paint out Putin to be a good guy because Trump is in this position where he's trying to be friends with this guy.
And so nobody has a problem with Trump being buddy-buddies with Benjamin Netanyahu, who is a psychopathic maniac who shoots with precision medics who are trying to help people and nurses, and journalists, by the way.
It's crazy that people that went through the Holocaust that realized the cost of dehumanizing an entire race of people now are capable, at least some of them are capable, of doing that to the Palestinians.
So I wanted to hear, and I have friends who do, everyone's doing this, right?
Everyone's getting caught up in this hysteria.
That's why there's a word called hysteria, because it happens, and we're in one.
And, you know, what I like is what Noam Chomsky said about this Russia hysteria that's happening.
He said, if you care about effects on our pristine elections, which he said very sarcastically, he said, if you care about what's affecting our pristine elections, the Russiagate is the last place I would look.
In the first place he would look, if you go read about foreign control or influence on our government, he said he would look to Israel.
They're the ones.
Benjamin Netanyahu came here and addressed the joint session of Congress without the permission or invitation of the president.
Remember when Obama was president and he did that?
He did that!
That's a guy coming here to tell our guys how to vote in direct defiance of our president.
And everyone embraced him.
Can you imagine if Putin did that?
Putin came to America and addressed a joint session of Congress against the will of the president?
So this idea that somehow because Putin is a bad guy, Trump shouldn't have a good friendship with him is BS. The guys who are really influencing our government here are Benjamin Netanyahu, Saudi Arabia.
Trump opened eight businesses in Saudi Arabia during the election.
No one gives a crap about any of that stuff because they're our friends.
Saudi Arabia, by the way, just bombed a school.
Today.
School bus, 29 kids dead.
So yeah, I just retweeted that from Sarah Abdullah.
So why would they do that?
Because they're in Yemen.
They're bombing.
We're committing genocide in Yemen right now.
So we're helping Saudi Arabia commit a genocide in Yemen.
And the way we're doing it is they're doing a thing called siege warfare, which is a war crime.
And in fact, they just prosecuted someone a few months ago at The Hague for it.
But since we're doing it and we're the enforcers...
And Saudi Arabia is on the Human Rights Council.
So everything's a joke now, right?
So we're past it.
It's a farce.
We're living in this farce.
And so when I see a guy that I love, like Henry Rollins, saying stuff like, oh, Putin's this special kind of bad, I just quote back Chomsky.
We have legit war criminals just one presidency away.
The fact that any human being would ever do that, and by the way, the way he died, that's some dark shit.
They watched and they stabbed him in the asshole, and there's a video of them stabbing him in the asshole while he's standing there, just confused, not knowing what to do, and this guy's jamming a sword up his ass.
The video of them capturing him is fascinating because it's a guy who has lived with an iron fist, controlled these people, been a brutal dictator, been a horrible monster of a human being.
Now all of a sudden these rebels have captured him and they can't believe they have him and they're shooting him and stabbing him.
And then eventually they have his body and they parade his body around after they've killed him.
But there's video of him.
You should look at it just for a moment because it's so stunning to see him captured and alive and can't believe that these rebels have him.
Anyways, so it, you know, I just, and then I saw, I was driving to my pot store in Eagle Rock, and I saw this little black pup dog run across the street in front of our car, and there's this big median, like a grass median, and it was, and I go, stop, stop, and the cars hasn't started coming yet the other way, and I stop, so my wife stops, and I jump out, and I'm running, and And I see the cars coming, and I don't see the dog anymore.
And then I see the dog next to the curb, and it's kind of like just going like that, and it just crushed me.
I have a few close friends that have been in combat and when they start drinking and that's when, you know, inhibitions get loosened up and then stories start flowing and, you know, it's...
Most people, it's not something people are designed to see, you know?
Especially not when no one else is seeing it.
The thing is, if we all lived in the Roman times and everybody was getting sorted up every day and people getting hit with arrows all the time, it's a normal part of life.
People start accepting the fact that there's going to be loss.
But there's something about living today where the majority of human beings live in this uber safe environment that's probably more safe than any people have ever lived ever.
And just overall in general, like the modern Western civilization.
But then you're going over to Afghanistan and you're dealing with bombings and schools and buses and sniper attacks and your buddy just lost a leg from an IED and that kind of shit just wears on a person.
If you're not pro-war, you don't get on TV. If you're against the war, you get fired like Phil Donahue, like Ed Schultz, like Jesse Ventura, like Ashley Banfield.
Like Chris Hedges.
If you tell the truth about the war, you will get fired from establishment news.
So now he's a member of Veterans Intelligence Professionals for Sanity, VIPS. And they were invented or they were originally organized to debunk the weapons of mass destruction about Iraq.
So they were intelligence professionals who knew what was happening, that we were being sold a bill of goods because the military-industrial complex wanted its war, right?
And so they were like all the top guys, Ray McGovern, Bill Binney, and they created this organization to help debunk it.
Well, he was the one that first exposed this program that was essentially spying on every single email, every single voicemail, every single conversation that you have is being recorded.
So William Binney invented a thing called ThinThread.
So ThinThread was a data collection, so what he did is he hooked up every cell phone to every cell phone in the universe, and he did it.
And it was hard to do, and everybody said you couldn't do it, he did it.
And so he knew that metadata was more predictive than, say, if I tap your phone and listen to your actual phone conversation, I actually learned more by looking at a larger data set.
And when contacts start happening, that means movement's happening, that means an attack is going to happen, that means more.
So the metadata means more.
And so he found a way to track people and keep your identities secret so it was constitutional.
That's what he cared about, the Constitution and the right to privacy.
And ThinThread did that.
And they got rid of ThinThread, and a couple weeks later, 9-11 happened.
So that's who Bill Binney is.
And so he said they got rid of it because there's billions of dollars in the new...
They brought in a...
I think it was called Trailblazer.
Not as good as a tracker.
Not as good as a metadata thing.
But it was $5-6 billion to Booz Allen or whoever invented it.
And that's what this is all about.
This is all about money and you don't want to disappoint people who want to have a lot of money paid their way.
So he blew the whistle on that and they come back at him and they try to put him in jail.
That's what we do.
So that's funny to hear him say, oh, somebody wrote a bad book about Putin and they ended up dead.
What do you think we do in this country?
Look what they did to Chelsea Manning.
Look what we did to people who exposed war crimes inside of our country.
Right now, they're trying to assassinate Julian Assange.
They have him in basically solitary confinement.
We literally did torture Chelsea Manning.
And then, you know, Barack Obama used...
He prosecuted lots of whistleblowing journalists using the, now I'm blanking on the word it's called, but Espionage Act.
So this idea that, yeah, I'm sure Putin, maybe Putin didn't, maybe that woman who wrote that book about Putin has a lot of powerful enemies.
Usually you do when you are that kind of a journalist where you're exposing the powerful.
She probably didn't just expose Putin, so she probably exposed a lot of people.
My point being is that, you know, now who's being naive gay?
I used to have a whole bit about, like, the only way to find out if someone...
It was, like, from 2005. It was that the reason why they put George Bush in power is the only way to find out if someone is really stupid is to put an actual stupid guy in as president and find out if everybody freaks out.
That's the only way to really tell.
And we were like, well, we could put a smart guy in there and have him act on.
I'm like, no, no, no.
We'll never know.
We'll never know.
We get a dumb guy.
Let's just try it out and see what happens.
And then it was all the whole thing about us going to war in Iraq.
Like, why did we go to the war over there?
And what did we tell them?
And they bought that?
Holy shit.
And then it was, he won again?
He won again?
Fuck.
And I go, and you know there's someone in the back of the room going, I think we can go dumber.
And that became Trump.
I mean, that was from 2005 from my Showtime special from 13 years ago.
Because of our unwillingness to pass policy that protects our election integrity, I immediately think the Green Party votes tonight are Russian meddling.
Why else would anyone cast a protest vote in Ohio when there's so much at stake?
If everyone votes and they all vote Green, is that a protest vote?
Like, isn't it possible that the Green Party can win?
Like, do you have no faith?
So what they're doing is essentially just bowing down to a rigged system, saying the system's rigged, so just vote for side B, even though side A and B are funded by the same people.
I know, I know, but ideologically, side B is our side.
But you would also think that after we've gotten through this past election where no one, literally no one in the mainstream media, other than maybe Fox News, predicted that Trump was going to win.
No one.
They all were 100% sure that Hillary was going to win.
They were had in the 90% range.
Of probability of her winning, and they were displaying it on CNN. So they know that that's wrong.
So why would someone think that a Green Party candidate has to be, or a Libertarian candidate, has to be a protest vote?
Why can't it be a real vote at this point?
When you're talking about the kind of social media outreach that is capable today, that's possible today, a person who has some really good points, and has a really...
Look at this woman who won in New York, the 28-year-old girl is a Democratic Socialist.
Look, if that doesn't tell you, like, this world is changing in a radical way and upstarts and people who are huge underdogs have the possibility of winning.
It's not a protest vote, it's an actual vote.
And if everybody who thinks this way votes towards that protest vote, guess what?
So, I used to have a joke, or I would say, no, you can't vote for a third party candidate until a lot of people are already voting for a third party candidate.
So you have to wait till a lot of people are already – people don't understand that inherent contradiction.
And by the way, people – maybe if you spent a tenth of the energy trying to excite the half of the country that doesn't vote – As you do on trying to voter shame progressives or Green Party or environmentalists for not giving you their vote, which you do not fucking own!
If you were to spend a tenth of the energy trying to excite people who don't participate to participate, instead of shaming the people who do participate, maybe you'd get somewhere.
It's also this reluctance to admit that both sides are corrupt is this very strange thing that exists on people who operate within this narrow bandwidth.
And this narrow bandwidth is whatever side you're on, whether it's you're on the right or the left, this is the side that you want to win.
And it's the right side, and they're the good people, and the other side, even though our side does wrong, this side does worse.
And they operate in this real narrow bandwidth.
This is why she would think something that's Possibly negative for her side is a protest vote instead of being your actual feelings on the issue.
How does it work in terms of, like, say if you're going to vote for, you know, governor of Maine, you have a first choice, a second choice, and a third choice?
So if your first choice doesn't get enough votes to win, then your second choice goes, right?
So that's how it works.
So you're never wasting your vote.
And you know what's ironic?
Is that...
And I might have...
There's people who can better explain that.
So please, I know people are going to...
Jamie, there's a better way to say that.
I'm sure there's better ways.
But the thing that kills me is that Bernie Sanders...
His whole career was about being an independent.
And I have videotapes of him saying, you know what kills me is I go out and I do these talks and I talk to people, they come up to me after these debates and they say, you know, I like what you said and you make the most sense, but I can't vote for you because you're never going to win.
I hate that.
They go, I want to waste my vote.
Oh, if there's one thing I hate, more than that phrase, waste your vote.
This was what he was saying his entire career, until now.
And I want to know why.
I want to know what the hell does Bernie Sanders in 2018 know that Bernie Sanders in 2006 didn't know.
And Bernie Sanders in 1996 doesn't know.
And he tells everybody you got to run.
He's getting people to come into the Democratic Party, which is actively cheating them.
And, you know, his whole life he was like, he said that we have to have...
The verbiage he used one time I saw him was that, you know, Jesse Jackson's correct.
We need a rainbow coalition of people.
But it has to happen outside of the Democratic Party.
He said that.
That was him.
So we have to have a progressive coalition, but it has to happen outside.
And who better to lead it but Bernie Sanders?
So that's why it's hard to start a third party, because you need people who are already famous and popular in government.
So if he left, and he got, say, Tulsi Gabbard and Nina Turner and Alexandria Ocasio-Cortez, and he got a bunch of people that are super popular on the left, we'd have a third party that would be polling at 10%, 15%.
And now the Democrats would have to...
Form a coalition instead of what they're doing now, which is ignoring progressives.
After the Democrats cheated Bernie Sanders in the primary, Hillary Clinton didn't choose Bernie Sanders as her vice president, as an olive branch.
She didn't choose Elizabeth Warren as an olive branch.
She went to her right.
She got Tim Kaine, who's to the right of her, who's anti-union, who's everything, bad thing you want, and a corporate Democrat.
He's pro-Walt the whole deal.
So if we had a third party that actually polled at 10 or 15 percent, they couldn't do that anymore.
They'd have to do a thing called Joe Voter Outreach instead of voter shaming, or what it's devolved to now, which is democracy shaming.
They're literally shaming people for participating in democracy.
You don't get to participate in democracy because you're a third party.
By the way, when they go, oh, Trump contradicted our intelligence communities in public in Helsinki, and that's treason.
No, asswipe, that's not treason.
The president sets our foreign policy.
You're not supposed to contradict the fucking president.
Whatever the president says goes, and I hate fucking saying this because I'm not a fucking fan of Donald Trump, but goddammit, do we all lose our head and think that the unelected spies run our foreign policy?
Do you ever play that video I played almost weekly on my show of Robert Mueller lying about weapons of mass destruction to Congress to get us into the Iraq War?
Those no-bid contracts that Halliburton got for billions and billions of dollars, it's just because they were the right ones for the job.
I mean, why have bids?
When you've got Halliburton, and you've got a guy who's really close to Halliburton, Dick Cheney, who used to be the CEO of Halliburton as the vice president.
Hey, what a better guy to protect us from fake news and tell us what's real news and what has integrity and what doesn't than a guy who made a couple billion dollars off a stolen idea from his friends.
I mean, I think that's the perfect guy to safeguard.
I know the story, though, was that he ripped people off, that it wasn't his idea, but he was the one who figured out a way to wrestle it free and, I don't know, get rich as fuck.
Matt Tabby wrote an article on the 2nd, August 2nd, about this, and there's been a lot of people being deplatformed from Facebook that you don't know about.
They shut down lots of other sites at the behest of the government and Israel, and the Atlantic Council.
So pages like Black Elevation, they got shut down.
A page called Mindful Being, they got shut down.
Facebook also wiped out No Unite the Right To, which is a page appearing to advertise a counter-rally on the upcoming anniversary of the violence in Charlottesville.
So they shut that down, too.
Matt Taibbi, let me just give you a quick quote from his article.
He says, Facebook was helped in its efforts to wipe out these dangerous memes by the Atlantic Council, on whose board you'll find confidence-inspiring names like Henry Kissinger.
CIA Chief Michael Hayden, former acting CIA head Michael Morrell, and former Bush-era Homeland Security Chief Michael Chertoff.
These people now have their hands on what is essentially a direct lever over nationwide news distribution.
It's hard to state the potential mischief that lurks behind this union of internet platforms and would-be government censors.
Can I just read you one more paragraph?
Because this is exactly what we're talking about.
He says, it is already a scandal that these de facto private media regulators have secret algorithmic processes that push down some news organizations in favor of others, which they do.
Witness the complaints by outlets like Alternet, Truthdig, and others that big platforms have been de-emphasizing alternative sites in the name of combating fake news.
But this week's revelation is worse.
When Facebook works with the government and wannabe star chamber organizations like the Atlantic Council to delete sites on national security grounds using secret methodology, it opens the door to nightmare possibilities that you'd only find in dystopian novels.
So he goes on, and it's awesome what he says, but...
So, by the way, they're trying to put a bill, have you heard about this in Congress, to make police a protected class of people, so if you say shit about them, now it's considered hate speech.
So, by the way, I... But it's a bad way of expressing things.
Like, hate speech, it's not a good descriptive.
I agree.
Because when you stop, what does it entail?
Like, you know, I had a conversation with a woman at YouTube about Sam Harris and...
Douglas Murray in a podcast where they had had a conversation and someone put it on their YouTube channel in their playlist.
Just put it in their playlist and they got a community guidelines.
I asked why and the woman said very cleanly it was hate speech.
And I said, what are you talking about?
I go, did you listen to it?
These are two intellectuals.
These are two public intellectuals discussing immigration and some of the problems that Europe is having right now.
And you decided that that's hate speech.
And you don't even know what they said.
But the fact that she's so confidently described it in that way sort of...
It sort of embodies what this problem is, is that they have these blanket terms they were able to throw on problems, and there's a million other fires to put out, so there's no more need to put any more consideration into this.
He shouldn't be able to do that stuff, what he's doing.
I'm like, do you not understand that this is the shot across the bow, that if they can do this to Alex Jones, that they're coming.
I've already been trashed by the establishment media, by the Washington Post, by CNN. I've already been equated to pedophiles and those kind of things, and conspiracy theorists.
I've been in articles with Alex Jones.
They've done it to me.
Because I tell the truth about the war.
And so the antidote to bad speech, if you really hate what Alex Jones is doing, the antidote to bad speech is not censorship.
The antidote to bad speech is more speech.
It's good speech.
If you think what Alex Jones is doing needs to be debunked, create a Facebook page called Debunking Alex Jones and debunk him.
But if you have a private platform and you own this and you start a business and your business is putting up YouTube videos and you decide that someone is putting up something that's hurtful and damaging and racist and it could be used to attack large groups of people and then you see like...
All the craziness that's been connected to the alt-right movement and you associate that with this individual, do you have to keep that on your platform?
So even if you quibble with those, we can't deny...
Alex Jones cannot now go, well, just go to the other YouTube channel.
There isn't another YouTube.
You hate us going to the other Facebook.
So we have to recognize that the way we organize as a society that the town square is now owned by corporations that need to be regulated, right?
Like before, when AT&T was the phone carrier for everybody, they couldn't go, I'm not going to give Alex Jones a phone service because I don't like the shit he's saying.
Right.
So, you know, you can't deny services to somebody, all that stuff.
The phone service was just a method of communication.
It was just a utility.
What he's able to do through Infowars is, if you've got him on your platform, he's going to say some things and he's going to use your platform to say some things that You know, might not be true and might be crazy.
So you got to decide, like, when does it become a problem?
And I think where they drew the line was Sandy Hook.
I keep hearing that he promoted the idea that Sandy Hook was false, and that it was a false flag, and that these were all actors.
I don't know if he actually said that.
I think what he actually said was, I don't know if that happened.
I think that's what he actually said.
And people are saying, well, that's promoting the idea that it was a hoax.
But I want to know if that's what he really said.
See, I don't know if that's even the case, because I've heard it written that he promoted the idea that Sandy Hook was a conspiracy, but they're not quoting.
Not only that, if during this whole time where he's being tried, he was still able to be on YouTube and have his videos, he could show in his videos that he didn't say that.
He could show what he actually said and tell you what he actually said and show clips.
He can't do that anymore.
So now the narrative is completely in the hands of the mainstream media, 100%.
So the Alex Jones narrative is being taken 100% out of his hands, and now it's in the mainstream media, and now there's Sandy Hook denier, conspiracy theorist, right-wing lunatic, all these different things, which may have been some of it.
I think there's something about his struggle right now that's representative of the chaotic world that we live in, that he does have this giant voice, that he does have this giant following, and that his actual words come out in song like that and are so hysterical.
They think that somehow or another, yanking this guy off all these platforms is going to, like, remove it.
Do they understand the Streisand effect?
Because this is just going to—there's going to be another way.
Barbra Streisand had a house in Malibu, this giant-ass house, and they took pictures of it.
And she went apeshit and complained to all these newspapers and complained to the police and everything that they're taking photos of her house and get the fuck out of here.
I'm Barbara Streisand.
And because of that, it became a giant story that Barbara Streisand is pissed that someone's showing her house.
And they're like, well, it must be a hell of a house.
Where is it?
There it is.
The Streisand effect is a phenomenon.
There's the house.
Whereby an attempt to hide, remove, or censor a piece of information has the unintended consequence of publicizing the information more wildly usually facilitated by the internet.
So if someone puts up something – And so, like, say he puts something up that leads to someone getting killed, right, on Facebook.
You can't sue YouTube.
You can't sue Facebook for it.
That's in that 1996 law.
So there's that.
So I get that they're a private company, but again, they have the protection now of the law.
They have Congress protecting them.
So they have a certain...
That's a type of regulation.
You're regulated from them.
You can't sue them.
Right?
So I'm looking for this tweet by Glenn Greenwald that really...
Because if we're going to take down...
Here, I'll find it.
I'll find it.
Here it is.
He says...
There's been a tactic of censors for centuries.
They start with someone who is so utterly hated and marginalized that everyone is blinded by their hatred for the first censorship target that they cheer and forget that they're endorsing a principle and power that will then expand.
to go after Julian Assange and you know that just shows you how shitty the journalists are in America because not one of them are standing up for Julian Assange and they're all pretending that when Trump says mean things about Jim Acosta that somehow that's this unbelievable violation of our freedom of peace and our press and he's got you son of a bitch you know if you cared about freedom of the press you would say something about Julian Assange and no one is saying what lie has Julian Assange ever printed?
He revealed that our election was being rigged by the Democratic Party.
Not Russia, but by the Democratic Party.
And that is a sin you can't commit.
You cannot tell the truth about the powerful.
And that's what's happening right now.
And, you know, he revealed the CIA has all those spying techniques.
That they can get your TV to listen to you, your phone, Vault 7, all that stuff.
He revealed that's why they want to get him.
And Trump, you know, I just think that Trump is just, you know, he's not really clued in, right?
He's glad to let the generals do the job and his underlings.
He doesn't really want to.
He wants to paint broad strokes and lets everyone.
You want to kill Julian Sons?
Go ahead.
I don't give a F. That's, I think, how he feels.
I don't think it's his plan to do it, but everybody else underneath him wants to, and certainly the intelligence community.
And everyone forgets this.
Chuck Schumer went on Rachel Maddow's show like two years ago and right out in public said that Trump is making a mistake by crossing the intelligence community because when you mess with them, they have six ways to Sunday to mess with you back.
Holy shit!
And nobody cared that he said that.
So what he's saying is the president should be afraid of unelected spooks.
Unelected bureaucrats.
He should be afraid of them.
And no one went, what?
What the F? Could you imagine saying that about Barack Obama?
Hey, Barack Obama better be nice to the CIA. They're going to F with him.
First they spend all their life denying there is a deep state, and then Eugene Robinson writes an article begging the deep state to defy President Trump.
There's unintended consequences, and here they are.
They've already come for me.
They're already coming for the left.
This is how this works.
So, again, that's why I warn all my friends about the Russiagate nonsense.
Chomsky said, if you care about the people meddling in our election, Russia would be the last place I would look.
The first place to look is concentrated capital.
That's what dictates who are going to be our government.
That's why we don't have the things the rest of the world has, because we have a—capital has captured our government, which is why we don't have Medicare for all, which is why we don't have free college, which is why we don't have an infrastructure plan, which is why we're an Great wars!
Meanwhile, people, half the country's poor or low income, 63% of the country can't afford a thousand dollar emergency, and a quarter of all kids are in poverty.
In the richest country in the world, Joe, what do you call a system that takes the richest country in the world and renders half of its population poor or low income?
Now, if you were someone like Google, though, or who owns YouTube, or if you were iTunes, or any of these platforms that have Spotify, when you get an overwhelming volume of complaints about someone who's in the news right now, Because the fact that Alex Jones is being sued by the Sandy Hook parents, this is what started this all off.
To people, this is so egregious.
These poor parents lost their children, and here's this guy saying that it's fake.
And that they don't want that on their platform.
So would you think that they should just delete the episode that has that, that says that?
Should they do that, or should they allow that episode to stream?
I understand that people who Believe that he's a Sandy Hook denier and they read those words.
They don't want him to have a platform.
They don't want him to be able to spread that hate.
I understand that they would feel like, imagine being one of those parents and you lost your kid and you're seeing this guy on TV or on YouTube saying it's all fake.
Some of the phrasing in there about slavery and stuff like that.
And them being animals or something like that.
I don't know.
Something like that.
I'm not sure what it was.
And then the newspaper said, now we're afraid to post the second half of the declaration because we'll get a second strike and they might pull our whole page.
It shouldn't be, even if we agreed, and again, I hate it as much as you hate it.
I'm with you.
Joe, last time I was on your show, I said people are going to take what I'm saying right now and twist it, and that's exactly what they did to me last night.
Pumply cut me saying that and cut some other stuff and put it together.
And I was like, son of a bitch.
So what are you going to do, right?
So what are you going to do?
So I just want people to know, this is, again, I'm just as offended as everybody.
I'm saying we need to have these things be public utilities for a lot of reasons.
And that, you know, exactly what Matt Taibbi said, the endgame here is very clear, and they want to be able to censor people they want to be able to censor.
And the first people they're going to come after is left-wing organizations.
Yes, and while he was way more right about stuff in the past, Alex himself, and I've talked to him about this, says he drinks too much, and he's getting too crazy, and he needs to go on a diet and exercise and start getting his life in order, and he takes things too far sometimes, and he goes off the rails.
He and I had a conversation, but he got mad at me for saying that I didn't think George Soros was a Nazi.
And so he had this whole thing, ranted, and then we talked back and forth, and he apologized, and, you know, he said, sometimes I take things too far.
I think he recognizes that sometimes he's just caught up in that cycle of outrage.
That cycle of outrage, there's no room to step back and to sort of reset.
It's just constant outrage, constantly under attack.
And then there's these words that get thrown around that sort of lose their meaning, like globalists and shills and this sort of attitude that there's this cabal of evil that is trying to take over the world.
Alex had this idea that they were going to try to kill off most people.
There was this idea that they wanted to euthanize, or it was genocide.
They wanted to break it down to what is the word where they talk about doing that, to talk about reducing the population.
There's like some sort of a conspiracy theorist term of reduction of population to a sustainable number of super evil geniuses that could live forever.
And they wanted to get it down to like 500 million people worldwide that can live for a million years or some crazy shit.
But I think that that's that whole cycle of like constant outrage and everything's a conspiracy and you get just whacked out and caught up in it.
If you go back to Alex's earlier videos, I met Alex in 98, I believe.
And back then, Alex was going after George W. Bush when George W. Bush was running for president.
And he was saying that this guy is a puppet, and that he's a puppet of the CIA, and he supports genocide, and he was showing up at campaign rallies, and they were arresting him.
He was anti-right-wing.
I mean, he was anti what he thought was this globalist agenda.
He also infiltrated Bohemian Grove when everybody thought that Bohemian Grove was nonsense.
There's nothing really going on.
He's like, no, these really rich people are getting together with heads of state and foreign dignitaries and they're dressing up like fucking druids and they have an effigy that they burn in front of the owl god Molech and people are like, he's crazy.
Then he releases the video and like, oh my god, they really do do that.
Like, he did some good work.
The World Trade Organization protests, in his video, 9-11, A Road to Tyranny.
Right after 9-11, he releases this video that shows that the World Trade Organization protests were infiltrated by these agent provocateurs, who were most likely government agents with government agent boots on, by the way.
He shows this in the video.
They smash windows.
They're all wearing masks.
They light things on fire.
Then they all hole up in one house.
They negotiate with the police and are all eventually released.
This is all done under...
I mean, he proved all this.
He showed all how this is going.
Like, look at these peaceful protesters.
Then, the consequences of that, they established a no-protest line at the WTO where you couldn't go by with a pin on.
If you tried to get through with a pin, That said WTO with a red line through it.
They told you, you could not wear that pin.
You can't come through here.
This is a no protest zone.
And he's like, this is the consequences of this kind of censorship.
And this is how they establish the censorship.
They make it seem like your organization is violent and dangerous by introducing violent and dangerous elements in the form of undercover police officers or military.
They smash windows, tip over newspaper stands and...
Fucking create chaos so that the government has to come in because now we have a violent situation.
So then the military comes in and arrests protesters and silences the protests so they don't look embarrassing in front of all these people from foreign countries that are coming here to the World Trade Organization.
You know, I mean, he, I really genuinely believe most of the time that he means well.
The thing is, when you look for conspiracies everywhere, like everything that's a conspiracy, you're off track.
And I don't think there's anyone there that can sit down and go, stop, hold on.
Let's examine this in a factual way.
Let's cut the hyperbole out and let's look at what the facts are and where are we getting these facts and why do we think this is happening and why do you think this is fake?
Because that sounds fucking crazy to me.
No one's there to do that.
If someone was there to do that, I think he probably would be stopped and would examine things and would balance out.
One of the reasons why I wanted to have him on my podcast when I did is because I wanted people to see the Alex that I know.
Because people are like, how could you know that guy?
I'm like, look at how he is when I get him high and we get drunk and he's laughing about stuff and talking about interdimensional child molesters and all that.
This is what I wanted everybody to see.
This is Alex Jones.
He's a fun guy.
It's just that is not a good position to be in where you're constantly looking for conspiracies everywhere you go.
And you might nail a few.
But then you might call out a bunch of them that are fake, which not just negates the ones that you nailed, but negates everything you say.
As soon as you're one of those guys that everything's a conspiracy and then dead kids aren't really dead and everyone's an actor and like everything you say that's good, they're gonna stop.
My thing is that I focus on the ones that are important, right?
I care about wars and the lies that are told about wars from the media, which the media pushes every war in my lifetime.
So that's the ones I care about.
I hear everything you're saying, and yeah, I didn't really know, I gotta say God, I didn't really know much about Alex Jones until I met him, you know, very famously at that incident.
I didn't really, I never really watched him.
I went home that night and watched some of his videos, which is when I found out some of them are really funny.
And so, honest to God, I didn't really know much about him, and so I don't even know this stuff.
There's a guy who was one of the parents that was a conspiracy theorist until this happened.
He was a conspiracy theorist.
He believed all that stuff.
And then his son was killed.
And then they started calling him a fraud and saying he was an actor and saying it never happened and that he's a paid shill.
And there's a big article about this guy.
I mean, you see this guy talk and it's heartbreaking.
You read his words.
It's heartbreaking.
You can't imagine.
Your son was murdered in one of the biggest school massacres ever, if not the biggest, right?
And here's people running around emailing you and sending you tweets and Facebook messages that you're a fraud and that you work for the globalists and this is all just a plot to take our guns away.
What better people to get to turn against the Second Amendment than a bunch of people that are...
I mean, I guarantee you, if you had a red light that went off every time, like on the top of someone's head, if they were a National Rifles Agency, if they were an NRA member in that audience, I bet there'd be a lot of fucking lights.
I bet a lot of those people are NRA people.
A lot of people are gun owners.
I bet just gun owners?
How many people are gun owners?
Fucking half, at least half the audience.
Probably one of the strongest demographics you could find.
Country music, gun owners.
That's a giant connection.
And so the thought was, hey, if this guy, they make this Manchurian candidate, make him gun down all these people.
Some people think he didn't even do it.
They think they shot him in the room and then...
Agents did it, and they killed all these people.
And then there's bullets coming out of all these different windows and all these different areas.
The idea that they think that the government would create a false flag, that by the way didn't do anything, Second Amendment's still in place, but that they would create a false flag and they would be willing to gun down, what are they, he killed like 50 plus people and shot like 500?
Something fucking insane like that?
That that would be the, that that's, they would get together and go, you know what we gotta do?
We gotta get this guy and get him, get him to shoot all these people and that's how we're gonna get rid of guns.
Here's the thing, and I'm not the first person to make this point about guns, is people who are big, strong Second Amendment people say that, well, you know, because whenever I advocate for gun control, people say, oh, good, that only the government will have guns, which is not a bad argument, right?
I understand that argument.
But the whole point of you keeping your guns to protect yourself from the government is that the government's going to take your rights away, so you need to have your guns to protect your rights.
Well, the government already took your rights away.
They're already reading every email.
They're already listening on every – you already lost your right to privacy.
They let you keep your guns while they took the rest of your rights away, so now you still have your guns.
Minority Report was an interesting take on that, right?
Like, one day technology to reach a point, you know, for them it was like through those little psychic dudes, that we're going to be able to predict future crime.
I mean, you could have a role-playing thing that you do with your wife where you talk about, you know, listen, you and I, we're Bonnie and Clyde, and we're going to take down the government and just fucking kick down your door in the middle of the night.
Yeah.
Who's that comic who had the ICE agents break down the door?
Part-time stand-up comic, podcast host, and self-described pizza delivery guy who, in a strange twist of fate, recently found himself debating immigration policy with four Homeland Security agents in his home.
The agents paid him an early morning visit last Sunday because of some jokes he tweeted about Cinco de Mayo.
And so I say about that, it's like, so Nick can't make a joke about someone going into a university, go, hey, the next school shooter, that was his joke, next school shooter, please go to the Berkeley and go to the teacher's lounge or something like that, right?
But you can go on those same radio shows and those same radio stations, and you can advocate for killing hundreds of thousands of people in another country that you don't know, and nobody says shit.
All the time people do that.
People lie about it.
So that's the weird thing.
We can have a torture program in America, and nobody goes...
It's just weird.
And then the media goes along.
They don't even call it torture.
They call it enhanced interrogation techniques because we're doing it.
But Nick said that.
That's all of a sudden.
So it's just such a weird, squiggly, bullshit line of morality.
And now Nick will probably be better off for it anyway.
I'm confused by this Alex Jones thing, because although I don't support a lot of the things that he said, I don't know why more people don't think that this could be a real problem, that they could just throw that hate speech blanket on things.
And if I didn't have that experience of talking to that woman where she was describing the Douglas Murray-Sam Harris podcast, which doesn't have A single slur.
I know how calmly and confidently she said it's hate speech.
It was like, you know what it was like?
Do you remember those old commercials where there was a guy, and he was eating with another guy, and he was saying that if you buy drugs, you support terrorism?
It's basically the same sort of self-righteous indignation.
Certainty, yeah.
When I was pressing her on it, it was almost like she was my boss, and I couldn't talk to her about it.
I'm like...
I don't work for you.
You understand that this method of communication that you're accustomed to, this does not apply here.
You have to discuss these ideas.
I want to know the merit of your thoughts.
I want to see where your thought process lies, that you could just throw this...
Hate speech blanket on things, and it turns out there was no thought, and there was no consideration, there was no examination.
She didn't know the content of the conversation.
And her confidence in saying that it was hate speech was merely towing this company line, the same company line that got James Damore fired for the Google memo.
You know, you talk to actual evolutionary biologists and people who understand psychology and people who are clinical psychologists.
Will they talk to you about the real differences between men and women and what he actually said in these documents where he didn't make some sort of a quantitative Like a ruling that women are less valuable or that women are worth less money or that women are in somehow in any way shape or form inferior.
He simply wrote about clinical studies that have shown tendencies to gravitate towards different professions and even had a page and a half in that about how there's ways that we could encourage more women to get into tech.
So it was not negative in any way towards women.
But I saw all these people describing it as hateful rhetoric and that it was reinforcing harmful gender stereotypes.
Like, what, with actual studies?
Actual studies of science?
These are harmful gender stereotypes because they don't add up to your...
Vision of Narnia diversity that only exists in Wakanda and some cloud somewhere that you've put up?
These are not real numbers.
There's reasons why people gravitate towards certain professions.
Some of them are cultural.
Some of them are biological.
They're fascinating to study.
But it doesn't mean that a person who becomes a nurse is any better than a person who becomes a carpenter, or a guy who becomes a surgeon is any better than someone who becomes a computer coder.
This is not what anyone's saying.
What they're saying is there's reasons why people find different things interesting, and some of them might be the amount of testosterone they have in their system, the fact they have XY chromosomes, their genetic history, the history of their family and the culture that they grew up in.
There's all these variables, and these variables are fascinating.
But as soon as you say that these variables must even out at the end, we must have an equality of outcome based on gender and based on race, well, you're not even talking about people anymore.
Now you're just talking about something that you need to say in order for you to keep your job, because you want to keep collecting ones and zeros, and you understand that there's this confusion as to why there's not more women that are leaders, why there's not more women that are in tech.
Why there's not more this, more that.
You really want to concentrate on diversity?
You really want to concentrate on fairness?
Concentrate on why they're trying to keep Asians out of Harvard.
How about that?
Because that's some real fucking racism that's going on right now.
No one's saying a word about it because it's about people that are kicking ass.
They're kicking ass too hard.
They're trying to make it more difficult.
It's a giant class action lawsuit.
Asians are suing Harvard because it's more difficult for them to get in than anybody else.
I had friends that stayed, and I knew people that got touched.
For people who are outside the Catholic faith, there's something that happened, and it probably happened when they told them they couldn't get married anymore.
Because it used to be the Pope could get married, the Pope was allowed to have children, and the priests were allowed to be married, and priests were allowed to have children, but they were rock stars.
You have to realize, like back in the Lutheran days, the days of Martin Luther, those guys were fucking everybody.
They would get at you in that confession.
You know, in the confession booth, tell me what you did, Dolores.
And Dolores is out there just sucking dicks all day.
Show me how you sucked at Dolores.
I mean, they were banging everybody.
And then they came up with some sort of a reason why they should have to be celibate.
So there was two ways to become nobility in the medieval times.
You could be born noble, or you could buy your way into the church.
And so you could become nobility.
And so what would happen is these rich motherfuckers who would buy their way into the church would die, and then all their money would go to their kid, their firstborn.
And the church is like, we gotta get our hands on that money.
And so they passed the law.
Hey, nobody can get married legally.
They all did.
They still had kids and shit, and they still had mistresses and whatever.
But when they died, all their money and property went to the church.
Yeah, and he was, meanwhile, just another 16-year-old kid, just like us, you know?
Maybe he was 17 at the time, and I think I was 15. But it was just, he wasn't any different than us, but we were calling him Father and stuff, and it was just so strange.
But when you went to my grandmother's house, as you walked up the steps into their living room, the two pictures she would have greeting you was a picture of both her sons in their priest outfit.
So one was actually a priest and one had to go.
But that's the picture she kept up.
The guy's bringing over his four kids to her house.
I'm more agnostic than anything, but I don't even want to put a label on it.
Why should I have to be on someone's camp?
You know, my opinions are allowed to evolve, and I'm allowed to, and I've done a lot of drugs.
I've seen some shit that I can't explain, you know?
And psychedelics, man, they'll get you, whatever confidence you have that there's no God, you go through a DMT trip, and you come out on the other end, you're like, okay, maybe I don't know what the fuck I'm talking about.
Maybe I don't know anything.
And that's, I'm in the maybe-I-don't-know-anything camp.
So I said that if there was a God, I don't know if there's a God, but if there was a God, he or she would probably be very disappointed.
These hateful twats pretending they speak for him, putting up signs that say God hates fags.
Like, you really think this is what God would want?
You don't believe this one thing that the establishment says you have to...
There's only one narrative on this Syrian war, and if you go away from it, you're a bad person, and you're an apologist for Assad, and you're a Putin puppet and all...
It's like, what the fuck?
No, I just have a different view on the war, and it's based on facts and evidence, and I don't know if you know, but those people you're trusting now were the ones who continuously lied to us.
So I've never lied to you about a war.
You're upset because I'm skeptical of the people who constantly lie about war.
And so that's just a weird thing, and it's like this...
But I guess it's probably always been this way, Joe.
Just now that I've experienced it because I'm in the public talking about this stuff, and it's just weird how people are so quick to go along with the establishment.
Look at how the lefties are defending the intelligence community, wishing Robert Mueller a fucking happy birthday on Twitter like a bunch of idiots.
It's so ridiculous.
It's like, do you guys have any sense of history?
Do you have any sense of recent history?
No!
It shows you how the hatred of someone could make people's lizard brains excited, and then rational thinking goes out the...
So I love...
Ron Placone on my show says, I hate Trump as much as anybody, but I'm not going to let him steal my critical thinking skills.
And so that's the same.
And so the thing that I like about You know, what our show does, we're very consistent.
I don't have one set of rules for people I like and another set of rules for people I oppose.
And that's one of the things that I said about you the first time we came on, is that you shoot straight no matter whether it's right or left.
Whatever you see, you call it like you see it.
There's no partisan politics.
And I think that's very important.
And it's so rare.
It doesn't exist anymore.
You know, I was...
I was listening to Sam Harris' podcast recently where his guest made a really important point saying that we're at this strange time in history where the news is different depending on what channel you watch.
It used to be you had different people telling you the news.
They took the weaseliest, weakest-looking liberal they could find, a guy who looks like he just sweats canola oil, and they put him on TV opposite like this.
You know, like Sean Hannity with his big fat white bread-eating face and that he was just the one who was telling the truth about the real problem and the Dems.
It's so fascinating to see that video with Shepard Smith just clearly and very cleanly dissecting everything that Hannity says.
But let me tell you about what Sean Hannity has been doing is that woman Alexandria Ocasio-Cortez from New York who beat Joe Crowley and she's the big democratic socialist and everybody's got their bushing a knot over it because oh my god she's the corporate Democrats hate her the right wing she freaks out right because he's actually going to help people and Sean Hannity's been like reading out like look what she likes she wants to have us Medicare for all She wants to have free college.
She wants a living wage.
She wants to end the war.
And people, I'm sure, almost half his audience are like, that sounds looking pretty good.
I don't know if you know, Sean, things are tough out here in the heartland.
And so that's the funny thing that Sean Hannity in the right wing, they think they can scare people by saying, look at all the stuff they're off.
No.
If the Democrats would have been off, Hillary Clinton would have been offering people something, maybe half the country who didn't vote would have came out and voted for her.
So that's the thing.
Democrats have nothing to offer people, which is why they're a shitshow on a failed party, and they're wiped out at every level of government.
And so if they take over, like in the Congress, there's a chance they might.
It's just, again, they're the ones doing the bidding for Trump.
They just handed him more money for defense than he even asked for.
So if Trump—here's the thing.
Here's the funny thing.
If Trump is a maniac, they like to say he's unhinged, he's a maniac, and he shouldn't have his finger on the button— Let's give him 80 billion more dollars for bombs.
They put a microscope up Bill Clinton's ass about some land deal in Arkansas and it ended up going to a blowjob in the Oval Office.
And he got impeached for it.
So they got rid of this special prosecutor after that because they realized that you'll find crimes on anybody if you put a special prosecutor on them.
And now they bring it back for Trump.
They're not prosecuting literal fucking war criminals.
Joe, literal, we know there were criminals.
There was a thing called the torture program.
We know that it was a real thing.
No one goes to jail.
Nobody's prosecuted.
But goddammit, they got a special prosecutor for Trump.
Not that they shouldn't, but we all know if you put a special prosecutor on anybody in Washington, they're going to find a lot of fucking crimes.
Something along the lines of, I think that when you get elected, they bring you into a smoky room filled with globalists, and they show you an angle of the Kennedy assassination that you've never seen before.
Nobody's upset at Chris Hayes for having empty podiums of Trump for a whole show, which I saw, and then he wags his finger at Susan Sarandon.
You're the son of a bitch who propped Trump up, and you didn't cover Bernie Sanders because you were fucking told not to, and we know that for a fact because of Ed Schultz, and now you're gonna pretend like you're a sanctimonious fucking prick?
And you're gonna wag your finger at people with no money and no power?
Meanwhile, you have the biggest microphone of anybody?
And you know, Cuomo's just one of the most corrupt...
Again, we have a one-party rule.
We have corporate rule.
And all these people are in bed with the corporations because they're bought, because that's the way our elections work.
And that's why Hillary Clinton has a private position and a public position.
And I'm not saying she's the only one, but she's the one that we know actually literally said that because of WikiLeaks, thank God.
And again, I'll go back to Julian Assange.
The fact that none of the reporters in the United States are sticking up for Julian Assange shows you that what they do is fucking wrestling, and they don't do real journalism.
And what's really interesting about the Julian Assange thing is if you ask people what he did, because of reductionist thinking, because they've allowed this narrative to play forth, they'll say he's accused of sexual assault.
And when you find out the actual facts of it, he had sex with a woman, consensual sex, and in the middle of the night he stuck it in without a condom.
Well, the ACLU is, I think, supporting him in the United States.
And certain people of character are, I think, supporting him.
I guess not him, but the idea of...
Journalistic integrity, freedom of speech, the right to publish.
If you watch that movie, The Post, which was all about Daniel Ellsberg and the Pentagon Papers, which exposed that four administrations were lying to us about the Vietnam War.
Not a Republican, not a Democrat.
They're all, again, the same fucking two wings of the same party, two right wings.
It's the military-industrial party.
And the hero of that movie is the woman who was the head of the Washington Post, not Daniel Ellsberg.
He was the real fucking hero.
But how can you make that movie in this day and age and not mention Chelsea Manning, not mention Edward Snowden, and not go, you know, the Daniel Ellsbergs of today, we imprison them.
And that's what we're doing.
We imprison the Daniel Ellsbergs of today.
And I watch panels of the actors from that movie and the director and sit around and talk.
Nobody ever brings that shit up.
It's un-fucking-believable to me that they don't understand that they're just...
That's propaganda.
Look how good our Washington Post is.
Washington Post went on to lead us into every fucking war after that movie was supposedly made, right?
So after they did that and they printed that, they backed every goddamn war since.
They're the ones who told us that Saddam had weapons of mass destruction and it was irrefutable.
That was the headline on their editorial page.
It wasn't some op-ed.
It was their editorial board said irrefutable.
Now, isn't that fake news?
Should they have their Facebook page taken down?
That actually led to the fucking death of millions of people.
So this is why I have a show.
This is what I'm talking about.
And thank God, in a sense, thank God the media sucks so bad because now I get to do their job.
I'm a fucking idiot.
I'm a C-student, jag-off, nightclub comedian, and I do my job better than they do.
I'll give you your own studio, your own crew, the whole deal.
And I had to look at the guy and I said, you know, I've been waiting my whole career for someone to make me an offer like this and I just have to tell you no thanks.
About he would go on the road and he'd be the first comedian a club had ever seen and they didn't know he was, like the waitresses didn't know he was leaving the next week, shit like that.
Wow.
Like it didn't sink in how things worked.
It was such an interesting book to read.
Anyway, but now he brags that he gave a million dollars to Barack Obama, which is fantastic to you.
I play videos of him saying that, no, they were basically the same.
What's the big deal?
These progressives are just being babies.
Isn't it funny progressives are being babies when they won't support warmongering corporatists, but centrist corporatists are being adults when they fuck up They're over-progressives.
They don't ever accommodate them.
They don't ever drop their values and come over and be progressives.
We're always supposed to go that way.
They never go the other way.
Unity means, hey, you guys shut the fuck up and fall in line and become a corporatist.
That's what they mean when they say unity.
And it ain't happening.
And I'm telling you, Bernie Sanders is making a big mistake by not starting a third party right now.
That's how you influence.
If he does not win the Democratic nomination in 2020, what has he built over these four years?
I don't know what happened, but I did the Chicago Theater many years ago, and I remember saying something about the podcast, and I said, how many of you guys listen to the podcast?
Five o'clock and there were girls there, I'll never forget this, that they came from Compton.
And they were like, oh, we had to get off work, we had to get a ride, we got here, we had to see...
And I was like, wow, I'm really connecting with people, right?
That don't look like me.
But they share the same ideology.
It's like, when I would go see George Carlin, if you ever went and saw him live, there were 80-year-old hippies, and there were teenager kids, and there was everybody in between.
And that's what it looks like at my shows, and it makes me so fucking happy.
So that's when I was like, whoa.
And I was like, thanks, flappers, for making me do this show, because now I realize.
And I really think that you're one of the only people out there that really doesn't toe a line one way or the other.
You really do speak the truth.
And I said that about you the first time.
I said it about you before I ever had you on.
I was like, this guy just says what he thinks.
Whether you agree with him or disagree with him, you can't.
Point to him and say, oh, this guy is just a left-wing hack or this guy is a right-wing apologist or whatever it is.
You just say what you think.
And that is so refreshing and it's so valuable.
There's just not enough of that today.
There's not enough.
And these people that are super intelligent that think that if you vote one way, it's a protest vote and you shouldn't have a protest vote because you're throwing away your vote and you're going to let the right-wing people win, like you're missing everything.
You're missing this whole thing.
This whole thing is super complicated.
It's very complicated, and the only way to see through the haze is to be honest.
And you're one of the only people that's doing it.
Well, I really appreciate you saying that, and I think that there's a lot of common ground, especially when it comes to getting corporations' fingers out of our government and ending wars.
I think a lot of people agree on that, and that actually scares the establishment.